2022-04-26 · City Council · Transcript · Work Session Meeting

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2022-04-26 source: 2022-04-26_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:01:47, 0:01:50]: What's that? Yeah. [0:02:30, 0:02:39]: [176.8, 180.0]: [0:03:26, 0:03:27]: [208.4, 215.0]: I got one thing. [0:03:40, 0:03:43]: Yes, I heard you have'cause I do have system up here. [0:03:54, 0:03:55]: [236.4, 237.3]: Yeah. [0:04:01, 0:04:17]: No, let's go back now because it's the left as well. [0:04:19, 0:04:21]: Yeah. [0:04:30, 0:04:50]: Well well. I'd like to call our uh council work session uh to order Tuesday, April 26 and 6 p.m. And on that note, uh give occasion please uh Pastor Lavelle seven. [0:04:50, 0:04:53]: [304.3, 324.3]: Let us all pray. Praise God, we are grateful tonight that we're able to do something that hasn't happened in a couple of years, and that is a gathering for this council to come together to provide leadership for this city and to do it in person. [0:05:24, 0:05:44]: Thank you for the gift of that space and for each person that's here this evening. We thank you for Mayor Ford. We thank you for each councilperson. We thank you for other appointed and elected officials that are here this evening, other constituents in the community. We are grateful for a space where I [0:05:44, 0:06:04]: ideas are shared, where plans are formulated, and that they're all done on behalf of all the citizens. We pray for your wisdom, your guidance, your peace to be upon in this room, and that you will touch the heart of each person is here. Bless each household is representative. [0:06:04, 0:06:24]: Please continue to bless the city, Stockbridge. We pray that you will have your way during this time together this evening. And God, I know that there are people from different perspectives, different religious traditions, and so I acknowledge that. [0:06:24, 0:06:35]: Everyone that is gathered here and those that might be wanting. In the name of my Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ. Amen. [0:06:36, 0:06:49]: [410.0, 410.6]: Yeah. [0:06:51, 0:06:53]: And broke what about blades? [0:07:20, 0:07:40]: Thank you, Madam Court. Appreciate that. Um council, I mean the uh dots in agenda will actually I mean the amendments in the agenda for tonight. Yes, sir. Um I motion to amend the agenda to remove agenda item number three. If you can have the board of education. [0:07:40, 0:08:00]: Presentation. I'd like to add agenda item 10, city resolution approved 7, intergovernmental development agreement, agenda item 11, 2nd, intergovernmental development agreement. [0:07:59, 0:08:19]: And agenda item 12, city resolution regarding restatement of the DDA activation and clarification of the DDA's name. [0:08:35, 0:08:55]: Fantastic. Um what we have before you are review of the minutes, from the council meeting in um March 14th and the council work session uh 29th. If you need those, we changes please uh discuss that and get those changes to the clerk, and we'll be able to approve those minutes at our very next. [0:08:54, 0:09:10]: uh counseling. Um and I just want to take no this is this public comments. This is another public house, okay. Well let me just do this. I'll I'll I I [0:09:17, 0:09:19]: Um and and it's a virtual still. [0:09:20, 0:09:25]: We have protecting this aspect as best as possible. Um granted uh [0:09:30, 0:09:40]: left and right and see what's going on, right? So anyway it's all good thing, but folks I really appreciate the the citizens and those who are listening in and also uh for the audience that's out here [0:09:55, 0:09:59]: and the Well Authority Board presented by Mr. Peterson Quick. [0:10:02, 0:10:03]: Mm-hmm. [0:10:06, 0:10:26]: The D Team Mayor, Council, and Citizens. I'm Alan Peterson, Economic Development Director, and in that role I also serve as the Downtown Development Authority of Liaison. The DDA has a vacancy and the DDA would like to nominate Miss Rangela Merritt to serve uh to fill that vacancy. Uh Ms. Merritt, Miss Merritt is uh very qualified. [0:10:26, 0:10:46]: She has an MBA and MBA. She's a 17-year citizen in the city of Stockbridge. She also works for ATT as a tower strategy strategist. She deals with groaming. She also deals with network infrastructure, and she will soon be in the supply chain division of ATT. I have the pleasure of [0:10:46, 0:10:55]: Speaking with Miss Merritt this afternoon, and she's excited the readings get their birth. Thank you, sir. [0:10:55, 0:11:15]: questions and comments in reference uh to the process when it's pointing to the closer about with uh renomination as representative the DDA the uh filling the denomination friend uh [0:11:15, 0:11:35]: Maybe we'll live to a third world report. Alright, fantastic. Thank you, Mr. Peter Syndicate. Thank you, Ms. Mayor, for joining the BDA. New business, council consideration or approves of list of [0:11:34, 0:11:40]: for the use of speaker touching devices was led by Chief Travel and Sergeant Tom [0:11:48, 0:11:50]: [710.3, 714.3]: Well here we can [0:11:55, 0:12:05]: I'll be good as every county. We just want to have one. We got it. I don't time. See you in time. I'm Mr. Mr. Good evening. Thank you, Mayor and Council. [0:12:06, 0:12:10]: to release to the presentation is this this evening there are a couple of uh [0:12:10, 0:12:21]: A couple of things procedurally have to happen. Obviously there are a lot of different uh legal processes that have to be put in place in order for us to be able to fully operate and platform spectrum of those services. [0:12:21, 0:12:25]: [749.8, 769.8]: Within the city limits. That after approval of the governing body also has to be approved by the state. And the purpose of this presentation this evening is one for the council to consider and hopefully approve the utilization of speed detection devices within our jurisdiction. But with the end in mind, [0:12:49, 0:12:50]: Yeah. [0:12:52, 0:12:53]: Rashes. [0:12:53, 0:13:10]: and other uh serious injury uh traffic incidents uh involving members of our community and those commuting through the city. Um this is a three part process so that you all understand the first part of obtaining our speed detection permit is that [0:13:10, 0:13:15]: be a resolution by the council which we will get into the specific details of that here in just a moment. [0:13:25, 0:13:25]: Ways. [0:13:35, 0:13:55]: Um rules that govern it, which Sergeant McElbank will speak to here in just a moment. And then the final is we have these things, we have the resolution when council approves the list of roadways, we then have to submit a permit or application to the state in order to receive our permit in order to enforce uh speed violations within the city limits of time range. [0:14:15, 0:14:21]: speed uh limits within the city is not rich to keep our community safe. Uh sorry to vacuum if you will. [0:14:25, 0:14:45]: Mayor, Council Grimmer, thank you. Appreciate the opportunity to address y'all. So uh in order for us to use speed detection devices necessarily things like radar or live bars that we use to measure the speed to enforce uh traffic law um are [0:14:45, 0:15:05]: The city needs to call for a permit that's issued by the state. Now there's several rules that we need to abide by in order to have to happen. There's a requirements that for the utilization of the speed detection devices that we need to maintain for the permit cyber for the permit being approved by the Department of Public Safety at the state level. [0:15:05, 0:15:25]: So first off, the governing body, which is the all, needs to approve through a resolution that speeding is an issue here in the city of Stockbridge, that the Stockbridge Police Department is an agency that has the ability to enforce traffic laws within city limits and that you allow us to use speed detection devices. [0:15:25, 0:15:45]: Specifically the supply large and gray large as I mentioned earlier, in order to detect people's feet that are going way too fast and causing all the crashes that we're having issues with. In addition to that, there are certain signage requirements that's required in order for us to be able to stay within the communist law. Thankfully, Henry County Police Department [0:15:45, 0:16:05]: Had a permit that included many of the city streets and state routes that run through the city of Stockbridge, because that sign is totally replaced. So that's not an expense that we would have to incur. We just need to maintain the signage in the future. But I don't foresee that being an issue. Lastly, there is a list of roadways that's divided into two different sections, one called [0:16:05, 0:16:10]: on a system, which are state routes, like uh Georgia 138, Georgia 42. [0:16:11, 0:16:18]: And then all system roads, which are city streets, uh like Rock Barter Road, portions of Cliff Road, so [0:16:20, 0:16:40]: So the resolution, um, again, like I mentioned, uh, would pertain to uh y'all were committed to making a decree saying that speeding vehicles in a through the city in Stockbridge pose a serious threat to public health safety and welfare city in Stockbridge. Now uh in support of that, I want to show y'all some traffic crash statistics over. [0:16:40, 0:17:00]: the last couple of years that I came from the Georgia Department of Transportation. So from 2018 to 2021, we've seen about 662 crash increase. And by 2018, inside the single stock bridge, we had about 1337 crashes on the road. [0:16:59, 0:17:16]: 1429 to 19, 1569 in 2020, 1999 in 2021. That's a significant increase. So with crashes become injuries, people get hurt or worse. So being able to for speed loss. [0:17:18, 0:17:35]: reduces the frequency of crashes, hopefully people become better educated what what the speed limits are on the roadways. And lowering speeds lowers the severity of engines. Hopefully we won't have any more residents if we can kill the car crashes and road if we're able to influence the speed laws. [0:17:36, 0:17:45]: Um in addition to the resolution, uh you will need to authorize the stock rich police department as a lawful entity to exercise the tower. [0:17:50, 0:18:10]: It's court in the municipal court judge gives us the power to do that. Further, you need to declare that the city stock breaker wants us to use the speed detection devices by our officers that's consistent with the laws of the state for our purpose, which is to reduce the use of fragments. [0:18:15, 0:18:16]: So the speed catcher probably. [0:18:20, 0:18:40]: That speed detective devices are authorized by our agency doctors department. Posting assigns of boundary areas and public travels has already been in place by the Henry County Police Department for their permit, which many of the roads take it back office. And the list of the roadways and locations where devices can be operated on. [0:18:40, 0:18:46]: I've already put that together in the order of firmways and testimonies. It's already been vetted by the Corporate Department of Transportation. [0:18:48, 0:19:05]: So what you have before you right now is a list of roadways that are on escape routes. And if you'll notice the ones that are not highlighted are roadways in the school zone that was currently in place on the Himmer County Police Department's speed detection program. [0:19:08, 0:19:10]: News that in your county. [0:19:10, 0:19:11]: Yeah. [0:19:12, 0:19:20]: those roadways meant the criteria to be included on the park arm. So I give this extra coverage to help keep people from speeding so much. [0:19:20, 0:19:25]: Uh and that includes one additional school, uh equals any person, they're on how to think. [0:19:29, 0:19:38]: This next slide shows the off-system roadways. And what I meant by that earlier was the ones that are not on the state route, those are city streets, county roads. [0:19:39, 0:19:55]: And again, the ones that are not highlighted are ones that the Henry County Police Department had already been permitted to operate speed of two license. The ones in yellow are additional inclusions that for some reason or another were not included on the Henry County Department State. [0:19:55, 0:20:00]: Form of transportation says those roads are all by roads, you know, the wrong speed connection by the song. [0:20:05, 0:20:15]: Like does anybody have uh I we won't involve the entertainment questions uh from the American Council besides that way of [0:20:19, 0:20:32]: crash indicator in the period of time that and that dramatic increase in crashes. So [0:20:33, 0:20:51]: We from 2020 to 2021, we went from 1569 to 1999. Of course 2020 was the pandemic, but 2019 was you know less than that. So wow, that's [0:20:51, 0:21:06]: Councilman, uh the only thing that I can uh add to that is the city's dockridge is not the only place that's experiencing an update in in vehicle crashes. It's statewide. We all feel it in our pocketbooks when it comes time to our insurance. Um [0:21:35, 0:21:55]: Crash beginning so they got themselves home because it wasn't a crash beginning. So being able to address the issue of speeding and thankfully the city police department enforcing other traffic policy, but along with it, our our game, our our goal, number one for our is to reduce the frequency of these crashes. [0:21:55, 0:22:03]: But citizens and travelers inside the city at the same time. [0:22:04, 0:22:24]: Yeah the the the thing that I'm looking at is looking at these numbers from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen, uh you know a little under a hundred, then you know then we go uh about a hundred and thirty and forty uh and then we have this dramatic increase of [0:22:23, 0:22:43]: Of three hundred and thirty uh in one year. That's a lot. Or I know you said it went up, but obviously that's something that uh certainly needs to be looked into further to see uh where these crashes are coming from. Oh absolutely, Councilman. And uh I and working [0:22:43, 0:23:03]: with the Georgia Department of Transportation to provide us the raw data with contributing factors of the exact reasons why as reported that these crashes occur, or we'd be able to better make a game plan to address the factors that contribute to these wrecks to you know we kind of start at the top and what are our way down. So you know crashes [0:23:03, 0:23:23]: speed related by by speed enforcement we'll be able to knock that number down paper. Okay, the second question I think the chief uh we are talking about uh speed school zone speed zone detective cameras and uh does this affect that or how does that work in terms of what councilman in [0:23:23, 0:23:43]: in in order for that to occur, a permit must first be issued by the state. Uh the the uh speed zone camera for the school to automate the speed zone cameras for school zones uh cannot occur until a permit has been issued by the state of Georgia. And that that would be um sought after um and if we are [0:23:43, 0:23:56]: able to attend that they have permitted capability to to provide the council information about that. Yes sir, go ahead please. Thank you for the presentation. [0:23:58, 0:24:00]: I've seen schools on [0:24:11, 0:24:15]: There's nowhere on North Pember Boulevard. [0:24:18, 0:24:20]: And so I would like [0:24:40, 0:24:49]: So all these communities that people now have money in their pocket are gonna still make care of it and you're gonna see an increase. So I wanna see what's brought down for speed. [0:24:55, 0:25:15]: Because I'm pretty sure one of the hot spots for us would be uh Highway 138 uh pertaining to these uh to these members. And you and I'm I I'm able to break down the raw data that the Georgia Department of Transportation is giving me and and provide the council with lists of what the contributing factors are, be it failure to yield alternative level. [0:25:15, 0:25:30]: speeding following too close distract the driving so you can get an exact number uh for your review based on each of those contributing factors as of how many crashes happen because of that. Okay and also uh usually achievement [0:25:32, 0:25:52]: School zones very much for these uh restrictions being put in school zones, but make sure that when we find areas like we do have already here on uh uh one thirty uh up here in the boulevard, when you go from 45, what is the distance down to 35 before we can even be clocked? And so I want us to [0:25:52, 0:25:55]: Actually looking at data too because I want us to get into [0:26:05, 0:26:06]: Well [0:26:06, 0:26:26]: Yes, Councilman, and uh the we have the George Code um in the motor vehicle law section does deal with reductions or increases in speed limits to where an officer can or cannot run a speed detection device within a certain number of feet of that. Uh if if you come into a jurisdiction you can't do it within five hundred feet. [0:26:26, 0:26:46]: Of the edge of the jurisdiction, or if there's a reduction in speed, the person can't be within 300 feet of that. So that gives the driver an opportunity to both react to the sign and adjust their speed accordingly. That way it's not a gotcha. It's already codified in George Ball. Yeah, so I just uh informed the federal court. [0:26:46, 0:26:49]: I'd like to see that breakdown if you guys get the store on. [0:26:50, 0:26:55]: Because there's number is where, you know, they go pretty hard, so that's [0:26:56, 0:27:16]: If I could um just say a few things here. Um when we talk about speed detection, um there's a lot of I think emotions and connotations that that brings up with people and I know considering the history of the department that that may be a concern for some people, but I want you to understand that that that's not our intent in utilizing this. [0:27:16, 0:27:36]: Um obviously we want to do use it to recruit uh to reduce the number of crashes and serious injury accidents where that's a contributing factor. And there's specific state law that that that dictates it says if over 35% of your your your general fund comes from traffic citations, you're automatically looked at as a speed trap. [0:27:36, 0:27:56]: Certainly, are not going to be in that situation here. We are not, I just want to make it clear, we are not implementing this by any stretch of the imagination to uh it's not a revenue-generating thing. So, for the benefit of the public, I wanted everybody to understand and appreciate here that we're using that to reduce the number of accidents. Just so you know, this is comp this is the complete data for 20. [0:27:56, 0:28:16]: 2021, but as of the end of March, there were 644 traffic crashes within the city limits of Stockbridge, which means that if we average that out through the end of the year, that we're going to surpass the 1,999 crashes that we'll be looking at well over 2,500 crashes within the city limits if we continue with that trajectory, which it's already tracked. [0:28:16, 0:28:36]: Trending in that direction to begin with. And so you all know, as you we're talking about the school uh cameras that Henry County currently has in place, we've actually already been talking with some folks, and they came out and they did a speed study for the schools, specifically Stockbridge Elementary School out here. In the span of 24 hours, there were nine. [0:28:36, 0:28:52]: 990-some speed violations were recorded in the school zone during the school hours. So you can just see the the issue, the prevalence of that here. And I just wanted to impress upon you all that it is an issue. It is something that we need to be concerned about. [0:28:54, 0:29:14]: And Chief, on that note, uh you mentioned about for this first quarter, so three hundred uh six hundred and sixty, I guess, on the trend for accident accidents. 664, yes. So maybe not missed it. What what's what's really causing it? What do you think is causing it? anybody here with this meeting or any anything in particular that you can highlight that maybe you cause? [0:29:14, 0:29:34]: Well to Calcuman Blount's point into Sergeant McElvain's, we really have to get granular into the data and look at the contributing factors for the accidents to really break it down and identify what are the key contributing factors. What we see, you know, the trend tends to be a lot of us distracted driving. We see a lot of texting and driving, uh, too close for conditions, things a lot. [0:29:33, 0:29:53]: Along those lines, but but speed also, as was evidenced by the peace funding, could be a contributing factor to some of those crashes we've seen too. But we would have to, and we can present to council with that level of detail regarding these crashes and what the issues are. So that you all understand, everything that we intend to do as a police department will be the enforcement actions we take will be based on. [0:29:53, 0:30:13]: data that we receive. So we're implementing an intelligent model of policing. So we're using a data driven approach to traffic enforcement. So we'll be looking at those areas where we're having a high number of accidents and we'll be looking at the contributing factors and we will be forcing uh enforcing the laws out there as it relates to the contributing factors and the hotspot locations where we're experiencing these incidents. [0:30:13, 0:30:33]: Thank you, I appreciate that. Uh yes sir, what did you have? Gee, you pretty much just answered my question in that statement that you just made to uh but in analyzing where the uh detectives are, uh I think you answered the other question. [0:30:33, 0:30:53]: location are being driven by data. That's correct. Yes sir. Okay. Um it appears that there are some sections uh in the city that are not included. So assuming that the data does not bear now [0:30:53, 0:31:13]: If I could clarify, sir, that these locations that have been provided to the council are not problem locations per se. There are requirements which I'll let you speak to here um that govern where you can enforce speech. So if you could maybe educate the council. Yes. So councilman [0:31:13, 0:31:33]: In order for us to include a road that was not previously included on a speed permit, many of our roadways are mimicked from Henry County PDs, so they're grandfathered in. In order for us to include a new roadway, it needs to be at least one quarter of a mile long. And un unfortunately, a lot of our city [0:31:33, 0:31:53]: limit it's fragmented. Hopefully that's taken care of at the end of the year, at least in the northern half of the of the city. So we'll be able to include a more substantial list of roadways if those roadways qualify based on our intelligence fearing model for identifying the these roads. [0:31:53, 0:32:12]: So this is pretty much an ongoing process. Yes sir. Yes, sir. And and should we receive complaints from citizens and and and on other roads that may not have been considered for this initial one, we can do a study to see if that road will be qualified to be put on the speed permit in order to address those citizen complaints. [0:32:13, 0:32:31]: Last question, uh about um zones, um as far as detectives, so will the city of Downgree be divided up into zones and attention will be paid to uh traffic issues uh in those zones? [0:32:32, 0:32:49]: I I don't want to speak for Chief Tramor, but i with regards to patrol zones for people taking calls. Uh r responding to traffic complaints would be a a singular issue and the officer assigned to what people do. Well d just even uh accidents and various um [0:32:50, 0:33:05]: Yes, sir. So we just finished drawing the geography and there will be four sectors, four patrol sectors that officers will be pri primarily assigned to. The officers that are assigned to those sectors will be working those sectors consistently. [0:33:08, 0:33:10]: Be responsible for [0:33:15, 0:33:35]: What's the issue? What's going on here? There may be other mitigation, speed mitigation or traffic mitigation strategies that we can implement in order to address the issues beyond simply enforcement. Those officers assigned to those sectors will be responsible for being familiar with the problems in those areas and then appropriately addressing those issues as they come up. [0:33:35, 0:33:55]: Thank you. Anybody else now say good? Well fantastic. I appreciate it. So uh what we need now is the motion to uh accept uh this aspect of uh the list of roadways and speed detention devices that are needed. [0:33:54, 0:34:05]: Now the motion was full. Is there a second? Mr. Bob seconds that motion. Now that's no further discussion. [0:34:07, 0:34:16]: Quick question. When when we'cause I look at these streets and I guess when you get up on the southern end of this the the city [0:34:19, 0:34:20]: That remains. [0:34:29, 0:34:30]: versus [0:34:30, 0:34:50]: And neighborhoods, mainstream. Is that what we're looking at? I think if uh the uh most the the roadways that are on the on the limit, many of them do not include like subdivisions. Right. Is that what you're referring to, Councilman? Yes. Um in order to include those, because oftentimes roadway design and population density lead to what the post-its [0:34:50, 0:35:10]: Speed limit should be. And in subdivisions, oftentimes the posted speed limit is lower than what the road was designed for, so it cannot be automatically included into a speed permit. In order to include it, we would need to do a traffic study, which is collect average vehicle per day per day data, crash data, how many driveways. [0:35:10, 0:35:30]: Or in a certain stretch of mileage, sorry, on-street parking, off-street parking, those things, and which requires a consultant to do that and then present that data to GDOT to vet before they would approve anything like that to be included to a speed permit. So should roadways like that be identified, more than happy to bring you. [0:35:30, 0:35:50]: to begin that process, but as of right now at the start of our agency and getting a permit approved, which is the most difficult task, is getting the initial permit in place. The list of roadways is what qualified right off the bat without having a significant delay in applying for a permit. That could take several months. [0:35:50, 0:35:56]: Well then I'm just questioning then why don't we see anything on here with less than bridges and quite [0:35:58, 0:36:18]: Because the uh um Eagles Lening Parkway, I did look at that area, Councilman, and in order for me to include a roadway that wasn't already on Henry County's permit as being listed inside the city limits of Stockbridge, I rely on the GS map GIS mapping because that told us exactly where the edge of the city limits was. [0:36:18, 0:36:30]: and those sections of roadway were not included inside the city. On the curb the shoulder was, but the roadways themselves were not within the city limits. So therefore because it wasn't on a GIS mapping system [0:36:30, 0:36:50]: Department did GDAT would have proven to be included on the uh this roads. Alright, if no further questions, uh motions of made a second, so all paper motion was indicated. All right. And now it's just a thank you to that. Council consideration to fill vacancies and appoint and uh members uh to stop rest ethics. [0:36:50, 0:36:53]: Next board. Mr. Washington, please. [0:36:54, 0:37:07]: Maybe counsel. We only have two members that are in your alignment that would be that can be appointed from the mayor. It's not a key statement. Ms. Watson, if you don't mind, sir, could you could you come forward with this? Yeah. Thank you. [0:37:18, 0:37:20]: Thank you, Dan. Appreciate it. [0:37:21, 0:37:35]: We only have two members for your s uh selection, Miss Jenkins and Mr. Johnson for the ethics board. And the information that we have is attached and you all can make the decision as your leader. [0:37:36, 0:37:42]: All right, um any questions and concerns uh the council about these uh televisions? [0:37:46, 0:38:05]: No? Any motion to accept these individuals in the part of that board? Motion? Some move? Yes, sir. Okay, but this this part made a motion to set the motion. I'll forgive you, sir. Okay, but this uh holiday. I'll put the hand in the name. [0:38:08, 0:38:25]: Yes. Mr. Darren Johnson or either Daron Johnson, that's D-E-R-O-N, last name Johnson J-O-H N S O N. And Miss Angela Myers-Jenkins who is currently on the board, she wishes to remain on the board. And Mr. Duron Johnson will be a new member. [0:38:26, 0:38:46]: Okay. Motion is said. All in favor of motion is indicated? Okay, you have all favor? Uh opposed? Sustained? Are you in favor? Okay, I'm sorry, you can't sustain. You're both in favor. Okay, thank you very much. As a question number on that, I guess uh it's up to me uh to as mayor to select uh chair [0:38:46, 0:39:06]: that particular that particular ethics board which would be an attorney. So I need to look look I have a couple attorneys in line so I just want to make sure that I need that you get an attorney so it'll be head of the board will be fully active this aspect. So that's all I need. So I want that to the council, the citizen, and to that individual that would accept that responsibility. Thank you. [0:39:06, 0:39:08]: Yeah. [0:39:11, 0:39:31]: Alright, what's next? Council consideration to review and approve the design concept for Cultural Arts Center presented by District Gardner. And uh Ms. Carter and uh Ms. Hubble and I have Carl on on here as well. So we've got a we've got a big group that's gonna give us this presentation. [0:39:31, 0:39:32]: Yeah. [0:39:34, 0:39:36]: Alright. [0:39:36, 0:39:39]: Good evening, Council members may have you. [0:39:40, 0:39:41]: [2381.8, 2390.0]: Alright, so tonight we come to you with cloud consultants um to discuss the uh cultural art center and tonight [0:39:50, 0:40:10]: We're looking at is about four designs that were developed by the consultants, each of those coming with a different individual price point as it relates to and um architectural schemes for you to look at and give us some recommendation as to which design scheme. [0:40:10, 0:40:29]: uh his best to move forward with. Tonight, uh Heather is here to give a presentation and then after the presentation, um, we'll take some questions from the council and look forward for some direction as to its read, which are one of the concepts is best to move forward with. [0:41:45, 0:41:45]: Mm-hmm. [0:41:53, 0:41:59]: Good evening. It's so good to see you in person. So thank you for the opportunity tonight to present. [0:42:00, 0:42:04]: I'll stand with me, that's a circle. [0:42:04, 0:42:24]: So, status update on the project. So, the design team has completed the schematic design set for the Art Center. The importance of the schematic design center, the schematic design set, was so that we could get detailed pricing. This included interaction from all the engineers, the theater design. [0:42:24, 0:42:37]: structural engineer, acoustician, MEP engineer, interior designer, and of course TSW. So this was an important set for us. We knew we needed to get better pricing on the Art Center. [0:42:40, 0:43:00]: Um wanted to talk about the design process really quick. So before the schematic design set was done, we were just in this kind of first loop you see, which is the kind of concept design, which is you know a quick uh amount of work usually done between one week and a month. [0:43:00, 0:43:20]: It usually just includes the architect. There's not a ton of interaction with the engineers. So we knew we needed to move beyond that, which is why we're now in the schematic iteration of design. After the schematic, there are additional iterations of design, and these are important. [0:43:20, 0:43:40]: important loops because we can process we can move the design forward, we can get updated pricing on each iteration, we can get feedback from the city and staff, and we can review overall and coordinate better. So this is a typical design process, so we are just in a schematic iteration. [0:43:40, 0:43:50]: which is why we have this updated construction cost. So after this we'll have design development iteration as well as two construction document sets. [0:43:53, 0:44:13]: Just wanted to remind you of past kind of concept iterations we've done. We have been working on this art center for for several years. It has it has shrunk and stretched as we talk about budget, as we kind of tune into what's really important for the city and what they want out of their art center. [0:44:15, 0:44:35]: So this is what the schematic floor plan looks like. It's not quite uh what the concepts were or the um yeah, the concepts. Um there were you know some pushes and pulls on this. Uh pushes and pulls theater-wise, pushes and pulls for adding program back in. Uh, but this was [0:44:35, 0:44:40]: kind of optimal program uh to move forward with for the schematic. [0:44:42, 0:45:02]: So we did complete detailed costing with ADE construction consultants. And this is what they do. They cost buildings for a profession, and they're very good at it. The cost estimate is about 30 pages of detailed work. They did go to subcontractors. [0:45:02, 0:45:22]: Who are active in the field to make sure that what they're quoting us is correct. And we did come in over the approved 18 million project budget. So the schematic is sitting at 32.5%. [0:45:22, 0:45:23]: Yeah. [0:45:27, 0:45:47]: So why are we over budget? So this is not uncommon in the design process to come in over budget. This is why we do iterative design, so that we can come back, check ourselves, see what the cost is, build in more detail, and make sure that we're doing the project that we should be and within budget. [0:45:47, 0:46:07]: So you know that's the good news. Other reasons for why we're where we're at, there's continual pressure to kind of add things into the project, which is it's a good thing. We want the project to be the best that it can be. Some examples of those are classrooms have been added back into the mix. [0:46:07, 0:46:27]: Covered side entrance, which really wasn't imagined at the get-go. Streetscapes have been added. The park, which we always knew was going to be added, has been more fully designed and increased in size. Art walks have been added, etc. So that's one reason why we are over budget. Another reason. [0:46:27, 0:46:38]: is we have experienced inflation in a manner that we did not anticipate in 2018, which does contribute to what we're seeing. The new cost numbers take into account that inflation. [0:46:39, 0:46:44]: And then the other thing is just the want of making this the best facility we could. [0:46:44, 0:46:52]: Detailed if uh feedback from the engineers did add to this cost increase that we saw. So we can manage some of that. [0:46:54, 0:47:08]: So wanted to talk about where we go from here. So we have options and that's why we're still at the schematic level, so that we can prepare, redirect, and be able to move forward in budget. [0:47:09, 0:47:27]: So the schematic uh has been designed to kind of a best decide. Uh uh we probably need to take uh see if the council has any questions uh slides before we continue to the whole presentation. And on that note, uh we'll start with Mr. Blount with his question. [0:47:28, 0:47:34]: When we first came at the city to TSW for design. [0:47:35, 0:47:55]: We was looking at 14 million. And then used we were told by TFW that to get what we want, what we knew to have in those in those designs, we're going to go back up to about 18 million. And this is what we agreed to. [0:47:55, 0:48:00]: You talk about inflation, you talk about all these added costs. You talk about a design now that is almost [0:48:00, 0:48:20]: double what you said we'll think we do. And at this point we're talking before we go into the glamour, I think we need to stick to the specifics and how do we almost double the cost that we were talking about filling this amateur and that you said we could deal, but not at four [0:48:20, 0:48:40]: but at 18 million, I don't want us tiptoeing across 32 point whatever million dollars because it would be awesome limits. I'm looking at what the city's gonna be with the city and what we're doing and with our time and what we're looking at because I don't know anybody who would think about 32 million dollars. [0:48:39, 0:48:50]: Sure, of course. So um every time that we've talked about cost in the past with council, it's been a rough order of magnitude and there has been a range. [0:48:50, 0:49:10]: Council always keyed in in that range to a specific cost. And a lot of times you came to the middle or tried to be conservative, and I think that is absolutely the right way to go. So we had a range, council picked, we progressed with design, and I [0:49:10, 0:49:30]: Give you these four bulletin points of why we're where we're at. Now, what I'm here to say tonight is that we can bring costs back down within budget. It's called value engineering. And I'm going to give you four options for doing that. But yes, the project is over budget. [0:49:29, 0:49:30]: At this point. [0:49:31, 0:49:33]: Yeah, but wouldn't it have been? [0:49:34, 0:49:36]: A meeting of minds. [0:49:38, 0:49:58]: At this point, instead of bringing us a$32 million project, wouldn't it have been minded to find out which direction this council wants to go? Instead of telling us we're here now because of this, this, this, now let's break it down. [0:49:58, 0:50:04]: wonder and then but we could go into this if we want to get to that. I mean just it just seemed like we'll have a work with that was it. [0:50:05, 0:50:12]: So I'm I'm not exactly sure what you mean as meeting of the minds. Um meaning of the minds means that you have a budget. [0:50:13, 0:50:14]: A big seen. [0:50:15, 0:50:32]: that we had talked about. That's meeting other minds. Sure. And now you kind of put the project over 32 million dollars. That's the if I'm saying look when you when there's something outside this part side of the budget and you show us it will be too for me. I'm only one council. [0:50:33, 0:50:53]: I would have liked to have seen what we could get for what we've already said we're gonna do versus showing this and then obviously how we cut down to that. But versus showing this and how we need to go up to that. And that's what we're what we're doing. So that that's the point of iterative design. So we're open and honest uh about where we are. [0:50:53, 0:51:11]: and uh how we need to go forward. So if council says go back to the drawing board, we want you to only do 18 million and I do have one scheme in here that gets close to that, then that's what we'll do. But this is to give you options. [0:51:12, 0:51:30]: At this point, I guess uh I want to try to piggyback on Council Blonde's comments. Um, you know, we have met several times. The very last time we met, uh and you presented [0:51:32, 0:51:41]: My understanding was when we saw what we can get for 18 million because we can fluctuate from 14 to 18. [0:51:42, 0:51:45]: In my own man, it would be that [0:51:45, 0:52:05]: I'm here in California and this land as well. I mean, speaking of just spoke, that this is where we were. So we left that last meeting thinking that this is what we were, and this is what we were getting. Um we talked about, and I asked the question simply about the schedule. [0:52:05, 0:52:05]: Yeah. [0:52:06, 0:52:10]: in um in design for those. [0:52:15, 0:52:35]: Why was it why was it taking so long? Because we had mentioned uh December 2022, January 2023. So from that last presentation, we thought it was a go. So at no time from that time [0:52:35, 0:52:55]: Here we are now April, I won't say May in 2022. And now we'll start to get this. And I'm a little confused myself why uh TFW did not come back to the city of Doctor and say, okay, this is where we are. [0:52:55, 0:53:06]: And we need to make some adjustments. And I don't know, maybe let me ask this question. So at what point did you reach out to the city and say, well, Houston, we have a problem? [0:53:06, 0:53:26]: Sure. So um as as soon as the schematic design set was done uh and the pricing was done, we reached out to the city. Um we have meetings scheduled uh with staff um every other week. Uh so but there's a lot of decision making that needs to go on behind uh this [0:53:26, 0:53:46]: scenes uh and and making sure that we're bringing information to the council um that you uh that is prepped ready and gives you options um so you know this is where we're at now so at our last meeting and we settled at 18 meeting [0:53:46, 0:53:49]: So [0:53:50, 0:54:00]: What what did we agree on? What did we agree to at 18 meeting? We thought that this was it. When we wrong in our assumption. [0:54:02, 0:54:03]: Um [0:54:04, 0:54:04]: So [0:54:05, 0:54:06]: I don't know what you [0:54:06, 0:54:26]: I would not say wrong, um, but I'm trying to kind of give you my perspective of kind of why we'll be at. Uh and and there are some reasons. There are there are pressures on the project to cut to kind of add things in to that eighteen million that are stressing it. Um, you know, and I've [0:54:26, 0:54:46]: Listed some of those here. So some of the value engineering work is to pull some of that back out and say that that could be done as a separate project. It doesn't have to strain this project so much. Because developing a park and updating streetscapes and adding classrooms back into the [0:54:46, 0:54:52]: the project which w were not a direction of this council. Um [0:54:52, 0:55:12]: It it stresses the budget and it and the budget um shouldn't be taken that on. In my opinion. Right. Uh l let me say this, and uh you know uh men that are realtor in the profession that I'm in and every last one of us watches H G [0:55:12, 0:55:32]: You've seen that episode where there's a wish list, and then the property brothers or the agent takes them to this house that they listed everything that they wanted on it. And then he announces the price tag to them. [0:55:32, 0:55:52]: Like, oh, they're like, oh yeah, this is the house that we wanted. It's the dream house that we wanted. And then he springs the price on them, and it's way out of the budget that they wanted to be in. And that's the one thing that I've understood about this process from the beginning. Every time one of us says, Oh, can I have this? They said, sure. [0:55:52, 0:55:55]: Yeah, you can have that. [0:55:55, 0:56:15]: Can we have this and yeah, but every time you say, can we have this and can we have that? Well, any project, all of us need to understand. Anytime we say, can you have this, the consultant is never going to say no. They're always going to say, sure, you can have it. But every time they say that, the cash register wins. [0:56:15, 0:56:35]: And understanding this, and I'm gonna say this with all the clarity that I can. Thank God we built the empathy when we did it. You know what? Look at the interest rates now, five percent. Look at the cost of all the materials and everything. [0:56:34, 0:56:54]: Now, when we built the amphitheater in the middle of the pandemic, there was no labor shortage. They were glad to get the work. Look where we are now. We're starting to build that facility now. And the police to say, let's do more than one project at a time, because if we'd have done that project in the middle of the [0:56:54, 0:57:14]: pandemic, think about how different we would be right now in terms of where we are. I think what we should do honestly is that Ms. Humble has a presentation that she's going to give us what we have, bringing it back down to where we want to be at, and then we'll have to make a decision because, you know, obviously we got here [0:57:14, 0:57:34]: You are here. Obviously, you know, there was some lack of communication in there where there could have been some lag time, because I did, as Councilman Thomas said, I asked why it was going to take so long to do a whole year of a schematic, because they were schematic in a$322 million building. [0:57:34, 0:57:54]: That takes longer. That's probably going to take the whole year versus the$18 million bill. But at some point somebody should have said, listen, I gotta stand up to the council. I gotta like we gotta put the hard numbers to the paper so we cannot keep living this fantasy of we can afford this facility with all the bells and whistles in it. [0:57:54, 0:58:14]: And that's what we are now. Every last one of us have seen that episode of HD TV where you sit down and the consultant takes them out and they see the price and they go like they fall in love with the home and then the price tag hits them and he takes them to the house that they can actually afford. Right now she's taking us to the house that we can actually afford. [0:58:14, 0:58:34]: We gotta hear the presentation out, but what you know how we got here and all of that, obviously there were some errors made and there's some accounting for that to be had. Ms. Robin question, please. Yes. So I do support um the culture art system. However, disappointment, disappointed because um I don't [0:58:34, 0:58:54]: I don't support the open budget. We have a project manager whose responsibility is to ensure that we stay with the budget. We can feel that it's cost over. I don't agree with that. The council has a [0:58:54, 0:59:14]: Approve an$18 million budget for the construction of the Cold R Center. We need to stick with that. I won't approve anything more than that. Mr. Trevadon, I hope, have been a part of your meetings and conversations. [0:59:14, 0:59:34]: It would stick with the budget as it was approved. The other schematics, um weren't there costs associated with Joan's schematics? Meaning professional fees? Yes. Um no the sit we're [0:59:34, 0:59:50]: There have not been um additional fees requested if that's your concern. But yes, um Carl has been involved in the bi-weekly meetings and he is helping direct those as well. [0:59:50, 1:00:10]: I understand with inflation, the labor costs, construction, material cost, all of this is up. So with inflation and trying to construct a building right now, it's not the time at all, which is why. [1:00:10, 1:00:15]: I don't support approving anything beyond the A T. [1:00:16, 1:00:24]: All right, but no questions right now, but Heather will continue on his presentation and I'll pretty sure there'll be some additional questions to follow. Sure, of course. [1:00:25, 1:00:45]: Um so uh we just talked about uh thirty-two point five uh million dollars for the schematic that was done in two thousand twenty-two, beginning of this year. Uh it does represent a best in class facility. Um so you know we felt that was important to get costed. Um we looked at three uh [1:00:44, 1:01:04]: Value options for the city. Value option one brings the project down to 24 million. It looks at cutting a little bit from all areas. Option number two is 19.2 million. Its attempt was to get in budget. [1:01:04, 1:01:24]: That VE is just a million off. We feel like we can continue the massage to get that project in budget. And then VE option number three. It was an attempt to go back and look at maintaining all the key program. [1:01:24, 1:01:44]: And then what that cost would be. And so it is at 25.3 million. I'm just gonna go over uh these three options briefly. Um so option number one, cutting all areas. Oh, I'm sorry, apologize. Um cutting all areas um [1:01:44, 1:01:55]: Um we cut uh items on the site, uh uh a lot of the park improvements off of the front of um North Henry. [1:01:56, 1:02:09]: Um we also looked at the building. We looked at the building as far as space-wise, uh, we looked at the building as far as aesthetics, um, we looked at the theater spaces as well and what could be cut there. [1:02:11, 1:02:31]: Um we also looked at what spaces could be built a shell, uh which you see in gray. Um and then actually uh meaning shell meaning that the structure's there, the floor's there, the roof is there, but it's not heated and cooled and the finishes aren't done. So there's some savings there that then you can come back after the fact and finish those pieces. [1:02:31, 1:02:51]: And this uh this uh VE option does reduce the seating in the theater. Um option number two, get within budget. Um this looked at these same items uh as option number one, um but in addition it [1:02:51, 1:03:00]: More, it cut more of the building as well. So we've taken the site down in this version to what we considered a minimum site. [1:03:01, 1:03:10]: And then we continue to cut the building as well as uh cutting the second floor entirely. Uh [1:03:11, 1:03:29]: The the the writing is extremely small. Could we come back and talk about what the components, uh the ballroom or anything or what we have uh in there for us because I can't really see what on ask the match what's included in this option? Sure. So um [1:03:31, 1:03:51]: You want me to go back to option number one? Or option number two? Number two. Okay, number two. Um number two, uh the keys that have been cut there. Um we've lost storage space uh under the stage. Uh this would be theater storage. Um we've lost the covered pull-in on the right-hand side. Um [1:03:51, 1:04:11]: We've um removed uh the brick from the building. Um we've also reduced the hood feature out front by about 50% and uh we have uh decreased the depth of the stage by six feet, which does save a lot of money. Um the reason it is so deep. [1:04:11, 1:04:28]: is to uh be able to have a fifty piece orchestra. See, it's not right, but see that's again, that's a core quest where we were talking and somebody said we needed a a big orchestra and then she said, sure, we can have it and then the price tag went up and already. [1:04:28, 1:04:37]: So uh the stage will work for all other kinds of performances except that one specific uh that one specific event. [1:04:37, 1:04:46]: So there are ballroom here and no room. Um in this option number two there is no ballroom. In option number one, there's a shell of a ballroom. [1:04:46, 1:05:06]: Okay. So this and this option number two and nineteen, there's no borrow on this one, and then number twenty. Go back to option number one eight. Metaphor. Could you give capacity when you speak to theater or [1:05:06, 1:05:26]: Sure, of course. Both option one and option two lose the balcony, which has 99 seats. It takes us down to 306 seats. We had built in into this best of class 405 seats. [1:05:26, 1:05:33]: Option one and option two, uh we lose seats. Option three, we have maintained those seats. [1:05:36, 1:05:46]: Yeah quote again for um option one and two uh the all is taken out and default. [1:05:46, 1:06:06]: Um in option number one, there's still the opportunity for a ballroom in the future. So it's built out as the shell and then you come back and do the finishes. And what remains? Oh, uh it's three hundred and twenty I believe, um and it has a bonus room that fits another forty, I believe. [1:06:06, 1:06:06]: [3966.9, 3986.9]: Well uh my number is that the theater and the ballroom evolved in three twenty. Yes, we started at uh three twenty before this iteration of uh schematic design. Um that was with uh side private boxes uh and through the programming [1:06:26, 1:06:46]: Questionnaire, we sit to council. We asked about those private boxes and if you preferred to keep them or gain some more seats in the theater. The overwhelming response was more seats in the theater. So that brought us up from 320 to 405. And that's that's where that comes in. [1:06:46, 1:07:05]: So in option two, the volume will be a capacity of 300. 306, yes, sir. In option two. Yes, sir. Uh the museum in option two. Um the museum and option s the museum stays in option. [1:07:06, 1:07:19]: One. But now in two. Um it also stays in option two. I do it. Thank you. Thank you. No problem. There's no ball roll in option number two, correct? [1:07:20, 1:07:21]: Right. [1:07:21, 1:07:41]: Okay and option number one, the ballroom you see there's a shell on the outside of the building that looks just like the rendering of look on the inside is completely unfinished when I would come back and finish it up at a later date, but it does put the um the physical the it puts up the structure. [1:07:41, 1:07:57]: necessary rather than having to tear into the building if you did go and have a bottle something. Is that what that's what you're saying? Right. Yeah. What's the square footage of a bottle when we use different out there? [1:07:57, 1:08:04]: I don't have that number on my head, sir. Because we can say we can we can say a number capacity. [1:08:06, 1:08:11]: Because you can get forty people on a bus or forty people can't dance or move around on the bus. [1:08:12, 1:08:32]: Great question. So the numbers I'm quoting are with tables and chairs. Technically, if you just had a standing room only event, you could have more people. And so I'm quoting numbers because council was mostly concerned about a sit-down dinner event. So the bottom can actually if you take up the tables and just have standing room only with [1:08:32, 1:08:52]: hot tail tables like high tops, um you can actually have more people than that already. So you are not a designer, but yet you don't have square footage in a designer? I I just don't have them in my head, sir. That's a for me, that's a very technical part that we need to know. That what if [1:08:52, 1:09:12]: square footage of these areas that you've talked about. What what square footage where we at we're reducing to to me and this whole scheme of things is very important for me. Sure, I would understand square footage. I would be glad to follow up with those numbers. That's helpful. Go ahead. [1:09:11, 1:09:20]: Um is Carter and Mr. Gardner. Could y'all come up? I want to ask a question. [1:09:29, 1:09:49]: My question to to both of you, we are here in this presentation tonight and uh we're looking at options, uh, decisions that have to be made. Um after this meeting tonight, uh what is the plan for uh staff and [1:09:49, 1:10:09]: council to come together to make decisions uh on these options. And the green I asked this question, uh and we're going to say come back, staff and council, I I don't really want to hold uh you know for me, the subject can just go through the presentation, we can come together and talk [1:10:09, 1:10:29]: I'll just, you know, start just a talk because I know some some decisions are going to be made. Now I don't know if the council maybe wants to be a drill down and get as much information as we can so we can make these decisions. So I'd like to hear from the council if we just want to hear the presentation. [1:10:29, 1:10:37]: And then we get with staff and try to get into the city, or do we want to hear the presentation and drill down? [1:10:37, 1:10:57]: Well go ahead and start. All right. Uh Councilmember Thomas, the goal was obviously to get you guys to see the options and um Burke and I just actually spoke about it and trying to meet with you guys probably two on two at a time, kinda go over um so you'd be able to see things in better detail. Uh [1:10:57, 1:11:17]: Um'cause it's kind of difficult to see it without being able to enlarge it. But we have some friends that would help and then kinda give consensus and come back to you guys and say, This is a question. I mean that's a typical question. And and those are kind of the I have a question, but I don't want it to fall off. Right, right. Um [1:11:17, 1:11:25]: And but these are just, you know, questions that that need to be answered. Yes, sir. So i di if it's if this the wish council [1:11:25, 1:11:45]: Um we can definitely sit down and meet with the council either individually or two, or more than one obviously, and then go over each of the different schemes and give our recommendation as well as listen to what recommendations you guys would have and then look at that as a consensus and then bring it back and as a group vote to who will either option. [1:11:45, 1:11:52]: one, two, three, or four. Um and then during that process, obviously uh the fire director and I will be looking at [1:11:53, 1:11:55]: Well how we how do we find answers? [1:11:55, 1:12:15]: I would love to hear from Dr. Calm. Well yeah, we'll do it. Uh let me let me say this. The intent was to uh my understanding, the intent was to allow Mr. Ludwig to to give a briefing uh in this aspect, but obviously it was a request and rightfully so to have some specific questions on some things that were shown on the presentation. I mean we can continue that. [1:12:19, 1:12:20]: Yeah. [1:12:20, 1:12:40]: in the briefing but eventually to make a decision obviously we'll have to come together and have some offline discussion uh because of such a big magnitude up under the cost factor here obviously and this aspect but uh I mean whatever how we want to go forward with a consensus on this uh but it's my thought process that initially this we'll go through the briefing on this [1:12:40, 1:13:00]: When people talk about amenities and these developments. [1:12:59, 1:13:07]: What is the amenity size? You can tell me you got a pool that could be classified as a pool, but what is the size? [1:13:08, 1:13:26]: When you say you had meetings with the city, the city representative is sitting right there, Mr. Carl, is sitting right there. I expect these this council to be updated by those that's supposed to update us, whether it's you, Mr. Carl, or whoever, but the register presentation. [1:13:27, 1:13:47]: That's lacking so much to satisfy what we're getting. You can show us designs, but if you don't have any sizes, and you're telling me that you're having meetings with the city, and this council has no idea what's going on until tonight, you can't spray this on the council. What are we trying to make a decision? [1:13:47, 1:14:07]: What are we trying to? What do you want to get out of this tonight? I'm agreeing that we need to have a meeting three and two, and we need to also get with uh this call. Because we need to know what is actually going on and why aren't we getting the information we need to make a sound decision on what is being presented tonight? [1:14:07, 1:14:27]: What are we trying to do today? I have no idea. With the information we have. I have no idea. But I think Doctor is get basically briefing and get the information and make it send you for a long time. Well, it starts out. Okay, Mr. Mr. Um Thank you to the president. [1:14:27, 1:14:47]: presentation you've done thus far. Um some of my concerns are that we do meet later and probably a three-two setting just to kind of go over a lot of this. It's it is very small, even on the screen here. Um I'm also concerned my top concern is is our budget. We bonded$14 billion. [1:14:47, 1:15:07]: We have four million outstanding that we stated that we would later um use for financial and even that comes under the very minimum shell of a building, which is option one, with no stairwell, no nothing, so it's a little small box theater room. I think that we, you know [1:15:07, 1:15:27]: the the market is is it is what it is right now materials are high the cost of the real estate market um to build and to construct um we I'm not saying prolong but I'm saying we need to take all of those things into consideration um I agree with Councilwoman uh Barber in that [1:15:27, 1:15:47]: sense of some of the things that she made a statement with, as well as Councilman Blount and Thomas. I think that we need to make sure that whatever we do, if right now clearly we're still we're over budget regardless of what we decide. [1:15:46, 1:16:06]: No matter what. You know, oh, it's just a million dollars. No, it's not just a million dollars. It's our constituents' money, right? So I want to make sure that we get everything that we wanted and envisioned. I don't want to just throw something together. This is not about throwing something. [1:16:06, 1:16:26]: Together and then alone, and then 10 years later knock it down to build what we really wanted, or a piecemeal and add something together. So, you know, quality over whatever the case may be. Um, we just have to be smart about it. So I believe that we let her go ahead and finish the presentation. [1:16:26, 1:16:42]: We don't have to make any more comments or questions about it. We get those answers about our money and how we're going to be able to fund this or strategize. We might have to pivot and wait a little while, not too long. But I think that would be the better way of doing this. [1:16:44, 1:16:45]: Is that your nest? Yes. [1:16:49, 1:16:50]: Well. [1:16:50, 1:17:10]: Is understanding this, okay? This is a un you know, in her own defense, this is an unprecedented time. The same house that was$220,000 five years ago is$400,000. The same house. So basically, what we're doing here is the same project that we thought was going to be a [1:17:10, 1:17:30]: 18 million dollars is doubling cost, just like the house. Ask any renter out there who was renting a property now that used to be$1,000 is$2,000 now. The same exact property. So those circumstances are mitigated. We certainly want to make sure that we follow and we look at the budgetary. [1:17:29, 1:17:49]: analyzed in order to make sure that we make the project uh fall in line with what we need to so the meetings or in order as the group has agreed to so thank you. I know that timing is important um when you are constructing a major project. [1:17:49, 1:18:09]: like this. Now is really not the best time for us to construct anything like this. Um I would um well I have some questions uh in regards to the financials uh with the bond when will we begin anyone's payment? Um I would [1:18:09, 1:18:29]: Now is the right time to ask those questions. But I do agree. Allow her to continue with her presentation and we can have our three-looking meetings at a later meeting. The time is key to the construction of this, considering the market, the economy. [1:18:29, 1:18:49]: Um we're not talking about building a house using our own test. We have to keep that in mind. Okay, thank you. So on that note, uh I would think that this this uh I'll go ahead and particularly with the presentation go through the entire bridge and then uh we'll go [1:18:49, 1:18:52]: Thank you. [1:18:54, 1:19:14]: Okay, so option number three um was to go back and approach the VE uh a little bit differently, to maintain all the key programs the council uh wanted. Uh so we did still remove uh items from the site, uh, but we also maintained the front park. It will [1:19:14, 1:19:25]: be reduced by 50%, maybe more than that, pending on final costing, but we can still have a park that could expand over time as needed. [1:19:27, 1:19:47]: Um also going to the building, uh maintaining uh the theater, we still have reduced it by six uh feet because that was quite a bit of savings again to the project. We still remove some storage space and the awning uh over to the right. Uh but we [1:19:47, 1:20:07]: We kept the museum and we kept the balcony. So this 200 or I'm sorry,$25 million project still has a four 405-seat theater. It still has the ballroom. [1:20:07, 1:20:22]: It still has office space on the second floor. There is some shell space in this project, primarily classroom, which was seen as a less priority, but the shell is there so it could be built out as an additional phase. [1:20:25, 1:20:45]: So those are uh the three VE options uh and the original cost. Um the other item I wanted to talk about, so you know those previous uh iterations are really focused on uh what you can do with uh the um what you what to do with right now. [1:20:45, 1:21:05]: But I also wanted to go back to this original schematic floor plan with the classrooms, with everything built out, and go into maybe a dialogue that one other additional study that we could do is really look at what can we [1:21:05, 1:21:25]: we get as far as a phase one that fits within 18 million. My proposal is that we go back and look at a shell of a building with just the theater spaces built out and the parking. You know that could be an optional phase one. [1:21:25, 1:21:45]: And then there could be additional phases added back into the project. That could be second floor spaces, that would be ballroom, classrooms, those kind of secondary spaces. So you get the theater you want, you get the shell of a building, you get some parking. [1:21:45, 1:22:05]: Then you go back and you can have another additional phase that would be the front park. So you can get that best-in-class front park. Another additional phase could be uh the Burke streetscape. And then finally, you could have another additional phase that gets you the sculpture walk that improves uh [1:22:05, 1:22:11]: the walking uh capabilities from the art center into downtown. [1:22:15, 1:22:23]: So uh that's the end of the presentation. Ready to hear more questions. [1:22:23, 1:22:35]: Thank you, Ms. Howe. Well what I'd like to say to my councilmates, uh to citizens who may be watching, to the advertisement that are here. [1:22:36, 1:22:53]: What's driving me to complete this entity as we move forward to redevelop our downtown? We see the impact of the amateur theater. We see that. [1:22:55, 1:23:15]: I know that if we do this right, this is still going to be another trigger that's going to impact what we're trying to do overall. So I'm looking at the Cultural Art facility as a part of that. [1:23:15, 1:23:35]: That we need to do to impact and go forward to bring all of the development in Tower Downtown. We see movement now because of the happen there. We will see additional movement. [1:23:36, 1:23:56]: Cause of this culture. I know it's going to be challenging. I know it is a tall mountain to climb, but I'm saying an encouragement to my councilmate: we have to push forward to the best of our ability. We have to push forward because at the end, we know that when this is [1:23:56, 1:24:16]: Bill, if we do it right, it's going to have an effect, it's going to have an impact on other things that are going to come. We see businesses now trying to come into our downtown. So, this is the benefit of everything that's going to associate with all of this. [1:24:16, 1:24:25]: So I'm just speaking about encouragement, but I do understand where we are, cost, budget, etc. etc. But I'm encouraging this council. [1:24:26, 1:24:46]: Press forward because we know at the end what these twin tiles are called, what it's going to do for our downtown, and what it's going to do uh for our city. Just cultural arts itself, what we provide to our youth and to our citizens. [1:24:46, 1:24:57]: Theater, the theater production, the ballroom, the museum. These are the entities that's going to bring people downtown. [1:24:58, 1:25:18]: These are the entities that are going to bring people downtown. This is what's going to drive the hotel, the restaurant, the entertainment, the retail. People coming downtown. So you have to have the ballroom, you have to have the theater to bring people. [1:25:18, 1:25:38]: People downtown. So I'm preaching this sermon because let us not refocus on the bigger picture and the goal to revitalize our downtown. So with that being said, I'm going to uh end my conversation on that. And I look forward as a [1:25:38, 1:25:58]: Carr and Mr. Darling to uh you know get into these sessions and uh Mr. Seldom if you would provide whatever information you know to the staff and uh car so we can make you decisive because it's gonna be difficult, but I'm I'm still ready to push forward. [1:25:58, 1:26:18]: Yeah, no problem. Well, uh the sounds that way just move comments. Yes, I do. And I think I want to concur with Councilman Thomas, and the one thing I want everybody to understand is it's not going to get any better. Okay, it's not. Interest rates have started to climb. The Fed has interest as [1:26:18, 1:26:38]: Indicated that interest rates will continue to come. The market has reacted to that. Like I said, thank God we built the amphitheater when we did, got the rates at what we got it at. Thank God we bonded this money now, earlier last year, instead of now, when rates are [1:26:38, 1:26:58]: Again, I break it down in terms of what is the home so the audience can understand. Okay? That$300,000 house that was$1,800 a month, now it's$2,400 a month for the same house. And when the interest rate continues to go up, all the this ball, this [1:26:58, 1:27:04]: is going to get worse. It's not going to get better anytime soon. It's going to keep going. So time [1:27:15, 1:27:35]: Only going to go up. So making a decision whether that in terms of what$18 million would get us or slightly more than that is essential. It can't take forever and a day because again, as the interest rates continue to climb, it's the situation [1:27:35, 1:27:55]: Get worse. We were in a period during the pandemic where interest rates were hysterically low. That's why inflation is what it is now. Because businesses went out and seized that opportunity to borrow money. So when the borrowing gets out of control, [1:28:00, 1:28:10]: the prices are attempt to control uh what the growth the um the um the prices are to attempt to kind of control and try to keep things in the [1:28:10, 1:28:27]: keep the supply and demand in uh in the right way so that uh supply does not outstrip demand because right now in the housing market it's you they can't build them fast enough and they're raising rates to try to slow down that rate uh of demand [1:28:27, 1:28:41]: And in the end, this demand that we have right now, again, if we had borrowed the same money that we're borrowing now for the amphitheater and for this facility later on right now, we wouldn't be able to afford it. [1:28:42, 1:29:02]: You know the most council on the council and you go to the back the policy. Just one. Um I agree partially, um but what comes up does up is gonna come down and um uh legally as a real estate attorney, I can tell you that I believe that the bowl will burst. I think [1:29:02, 1:29:22]: That the interest rates will go up, but when the interest rates go up, property goes down, a lot of people are suffering. And it's unfortunate you'll see a lot more evictions going on, a lot of things going on right now. That's on the residential side. But we're talking about government funding that has a cap rate. [1:29:22, 1:29:35]: Um, you know, and so at some point we do have to be uh smart financially about this and strategic. I'm not against um I'm with the council members. I want to look forward with the building. [1:29:35, 1:29:55]: I want to be smart about it and strategic about it. But understand that the market, um there's been anyone can look it up, Google it. Um the the predictions are that the market is going to first come down and it and it's gonna come down because the pandemic has [1:29:55, 1:30:15]: Slowly decreases and we come up with other things. We're getting material a little bit faster now. And the housing housing market that demand is slowing down because those interest rates are going up. One way or another, people are going to get their money, whether they rise in the interest rates or increase. [1:30:14, 1:30:20]: The property value. It is what it is. And right now, the residential market. [1:30:20, 1:30:40]: We are just sky high, and you can see it right here based off the numbers. And I just want our mayor council to be smart and strategic about the way we handle this. Um, I just think it I think it would be advantageous for us to do as we plan. Um, I do want [1:30:40, 1:31:00]: want us to continue. I'm all for building the Bible town. I want us to continue on with our vision and our mission, but we definitely have to be smart about it. All right, thank you, Council. I just got to thank you for the briefing. Obviously, you heard all those comments, we'll take this in, we'll sit down with our staff and go through some things and make decisions and help them all happen this. Thank you. Appreciate you [1:31:00, 1:31:20]: time. On that moment, I will move on. Council consideration to amend title nine licensing and regulations. Chapter 9.110 Standards for Certain Businesses. Section 9.110.030 spacing to reduce the distance requirement from one mile to [1:31:20, 1:31:25]: [5485.9, 5500.8]: Good evening, um Mayor, Mayor Brookson and Council members and residents. So um yes this is a request before you tonight uh to amend the session of if this line has been uh your lady has been if this part. [1:31:41, 1:32:01]: stipulates a business requirement, uh distance requirement of one mile for a number of different businesses throughout the city. And staff is coming to you tonight to request that there be a reduction in the mile distance requirement from, let's say, for example, a hair salon to another hair salon. [1:32:01, 1:32:21]: or a barbershop to another barbershop or vice versa. And um coming to you tonight for a reduction from one mile to half a mile um to allow some new businesses to come into the city. Um so I'll be happy to answer any questions that you want. Okay Mr. Do you know the [1:32:21, 1:32:41]: um mileage distance that the county itself has on some of the property some some stores in general are you familiar with their mileage distance? I am not specifically towards these. I know we have for another business like our discount stocks we [1:32:41, 1:33:01]: Yeah, five miles. Okay. So okay, that's right. Baby we're trying to pretty much match those. So um in this regard, I I'm not in favor. I think I think we need to I'm just not in favor. Sorry. Go right in and say that. [1:33:01, 1:33:21]: And I'm going to concur with Council McKenna because we established some high standards at where we want to be at in terms of the city. If we want a salon in every stroke, if we want varied businesses, because there is no shortage of salons. [1:33:21, 1:33:40]: shortage of barbershops. You know, is I go into my barbershop and Mary chooses the same barbershop and the same one. What I hear from both barbers is there's a tremendous amount of pressure to keep the price down because every time somebody else opens, they lower the price and they're like, we can't raise [1:33:40, 1:34:00]: the price in order to make a profit because we got so many competitors and dumping more competitors in the market puts price pressures on people who have been with us the longest. Then somebody else can come in and give them a haircut for$10 or$8 and then the customer shifts because of that. [1:34:00, 1:34:20]: But in the end, I think uh it's not unreasonable to say that we need to be uh a one-mile distance because we uh as it's the same shopping class that I was talking about, the marijuana use, we had at one point we had like two nail salons in there, we had three. [1:34:19, 1:34:39]: Uh we had three hair salons in there at one point that luckily one hasn't has moved out since that point. But those things uh do make a difference in terms of varying the varying degrees. Now it the the whole complexity of this situation is we if we take [1:34:39, 1:34:45]: All the businesses that we turned out, we gotta retroactively go back and let them in. [1:34:46, 1:35:06]: I'm talking in terms of in terms of they can reapply at this point. The businesses that we turn down would can now come back, reapply in the space that they would deny and now uh be able to open up. But in the end it's kind of like I sympathize with business owners that uh or any [1:35:06, 1:35:26]: In this situation, but we need to make sure that we maintain the high standards we got that varies the business. And every now and then there's going to be somebody that gets caught in between, right at the edge, or kind of close to that. But to maintain the standard that we're trying to be so we don't have all the same business. [1:35:26, 1:35:46]: in the same area and that we're able to have free species, free speech free spaces available for a bit uh another restaurant to come in or a bookstore or something else very, then I think it's best to leave this in place. Okay. [1:35:46, 1:35:48]: Yes. Um [1:35:51, 1:36:04]: Are you seeing the overall thing we're trying to do in the city? And how we're trying to go about doing things and I don't seem to like I don't know if this is a complete list, but what is your reasoning for bringing this to us tonight? [1:36:05, 1:36:25]: Well there's been conversation about I brought this before. Um not only have we gotten requests for you know, hair salons or other types of businesses on this list, but we've also been working with our attorneys to discuss our uh legal uh ramifications for distance requirements and things like that. [1:36:24, 1:36:44]: And I wanted to at least bring it in front of you all because this was a part of a moratorium. Several of these were a moratorium. This was an ordinance that came into place in 2019. And I wanted to revisit it as we were re- revisiting our UDC, our new code, uh, which allows these uses outright. And wanted to see [1:36:44, 1:36:54]: we can make some connection between do we want to continue to have the distance requirement or keep essence and that's what I wanted to bring before you all tonight. [1:36:54, 1:37:10]: Yeah, but at this point I haven't heard of the legal notification. So I would present right. So I would not bring those. I have our our attorneys here to to just address um some of the conversations we've had uh regarding it. [1:37:11, 1:37:24]: I'm I'm fine I'm fine with your presentation, but your reasoning for bringing it here tonight I haven't got a build notification, but I'm I'm in agreement with my colleagues just forward whether we could [1:37:30, 1:37:50]: If there was a barbershop and they left that particular shop, a freestanding alone or whatever the case may be, and another person wanted to come in and open their business and it was a barbershop. Are we denying those those people as well? Because I'm not really now if it was on. [1:37:50, 1:38:10]: I don't know if I would necessarily really object to that because it's already there. Is there a way that we can form language where the building is already there, has already been established prior to? I mean, uh I know it's a new business. [1:38:09, 1:38:29]: But I can see that being um you know uh what we're looking at is the number or the amount. There are some cities in uh other areas that you go to that city and every strip travel from door to door has nothing but hair salons and nails and [1:38:29, 1:38:49]: Or a farmers shop or a tire shop. And what we're trying to do is show that we want a variety. We know we're not against businesses, but if we open this door, then we're allowing luxury a whole bunch of the same businesses. And we as a Mary Council have [1:38:49, 1:39:05]: Because we wanted a variety that's not within our vision. But if they were already there and they leave and they're just simply replacing it with another business, I wouldn't have a problem with that if we could write it on that manner. If we could write it in that man. [1:39:07, 1:39:27]: Yes. No, I I support that. That's certainly that no existing business should be put out of business and if it's already there, kept keeping it at the same level, just not letting it put a certain amount of people. Um the situation required me. [1:39:27, 1:39:40]: respond. Is that the case in which Council Gantt spoke of um that location was about basically looking basically a no it was not. [1:39:40, 1:40:00]: No Bosana and and and just a comment on what she mentioned, if there's a barbershop in place, a new barbershop can't come in anywhere uh any closer than one mile from that location, anywhere in the city on a radius of one mile. So um you're [1:40:00, 1:40:20]: comment about how we can look at it in a way which the current businesses if it was always a barbershop as a new owner or it's a new barbershop completely um because usually you may have the same business there but you have a new owner or you have a whole new barbershop that comes in altogether. [1:40:19, 1:40:35]: I'm sure we could get some verbiage together to to address that and accommodate that and still keep that mile radius in place. I have a problem with the right. So what is um the [1:40:39, 1:40:44]: um are not eligible because of the restriction we distance. [1:40:45, 1:41:05]: What do we have in place for there to um request um every session? Um the only process we have in place currently is would be either changing or amending the code and uh applicant or a resident could request that through our uh approval or [1:41:05, 1:41:25]: application process or they can apply for an appeal. So if it is denied, it will come as a denial from my office from community development and then they have the option to appeal any decision that is made by myself as the director. And what does that appeal process look like? Um the appeal process entails [1:41:25, 1:41:45]: An application and a request for appeal within 10 days of the denial. And then from there we have 30 days to get the case on an agenda before you all to make a decision on the request. I will um stand behind what legal review has been provided to us. [1:41:45, 1:41:53]: I see um being more to like engage in creation about illustrating. [1:41:54, 1:42:00]: So we have Mr Washington is he anyway. [1:42:05, 1:42:11]: So legal advice, what kind of legal advice do we have is parsing for this issue at all? And could you please come in first, sir? [1:42:20, 1:42:40]: Good evening, Council. We had a series of conversations about this. If you look back around March 14th, where we discussed this being when we were looking at updating the UDC. And if you all want to have a briefing session about it, again we can. But we discussed zoning requirements and we give it, gave you all a memoir. [1:42:40, 1:42:50]: ones of correspondence about the restrictions on them. And if you want to all want to refer back to that and have questions for me, then we'll take them or if we want to have a separate briefing on them, we can do that. [1:42:51, 1:43:11]: I don't believe that that attorney that spoke with us, I don't believe the memo, I don't think she provided that too much. [1:43:11, 1:43:31]: I if you are able to look at your March 14th email, we highlighted this in yellow, the specific answer to that question. And I'm not trying to be vague, but separate from that, if you all want to discuss it, I'm fine with having a separate briefing about it. [1:43:31, 1:43:31]: [6212.8, 6213.8]: Yeah. [1:43:35, 1:43:47]: Okay, I guess so any other question from council. And I don't think Ms. Carter, uh no need for a vote because we've got the justice and the council's gonna say no. Thank you for your time. Thank you. [1:43:48, 1:43:55]: Okay, council uh the update uh uh GMA Grammar Assurance uh Ms uh Mr. Garrett Ms. Garisa? [1:44:00, 1:44:20]: Very quick uh mayor council members. So I've been in this uh discussion with GMA staff, um started with uh district rep Mr. Freddie Bloom, who some of you probably know, um, and have been handed off to the director, uh the deputy executive director for GMA, um, who I'm start looking to hear back from [1:44:20, 1:44:40]: in um regarding the application process and what we need to do. So we're still communicating back and forth in GMA at this time. So as soon as I get that process the application process um solidified with Deputy Director Logan I'll be back on the attendance and give you guys an update as to where we are but we're still calling [1:44:40, 1:45:00]: So as soon as we do that, I'll bring it back. Thank you. Um, Mr. Washington, question for you, sir. Uh we're brought to my text and is a last item with this carter is actually since on agenda for a holding item. We didn't vote. I think I I think I know where the votes are gonna go. I'm gonna s I'm a sort of my basic [1:45:00, 1:45:05]: for retracted property, vote needs to be taken or a motion to be made. [1:45:07, 1:45:07]: [6309.4, 6315.1]: wants to pull it from the identity here. If he wants to pull it from the agenda here. Okay? [1:45:16, 1:45:32]: If the if the council and the mayor council is willing to revisit this and have more of a conversation about it to identify the things that you guys have wanted to see, that we can bring it back with some change verbiage to address the concerns tonight. [1:45:34, 1:45:42]: All right, well um and you can table it if you'd like. We s it might as well table this because I don't think from what I understand from the council, I don't think we're [1:45:42, 1:46:02]: Or you could deny it. And we just bring it back in different uh if you want a motion, we have to do we can do a motion for it. All right, so we could present it and there's a uh we need a motion to accept this proposal. But if there's not uh we'll see. Well my mayor yes are playing my suggestion would be to deny it and then have it come back in the specific [1:46:02, 1:46:18]: specific language that Ms. Kent had mentioned about allowing existing business to operate uh in that space. So I'm certainly supportive of that. So motion to deny. I think. Okay. Alter, please indicate? [1:46:19, 1:46:39]: Okay, is that no nothing that's okay? Okay, I would add comments. Okay, four four one zero is common. Um our legal advice has told us was legal, it was [1:46:39, 1:46:42]: That reaction. This is that interaction. [1:46:43, 1:46:47]: All the happens for that restrict. [1:46:47, 1:46:55]: It's not legal question making this decision with my that's not a position. Right. Well [1:47:05, 1:47:18]: voted approved for one okay yes sir um I I didn't really want to ask that question about the legal ramification um [1:47:20, 1:47:20]: Yeah. [1:47:22, 1:47:30]: Live to Carlton. Let's do Washington. [1:47:30, 1:47:50]: If if there's something that needs to be said that I would rather table is if there's something that needs to be said uh at at a at another point in time I would prefer to table. Would you recommend that we table rather than to take a vote of a denial or whatever, would you recommend [1:47:50, 1:47:53]: To yes I would. [1:47:53, 1:48:13]: Okay, now yeah, we are for it, that's true. But obviously it can be rescinded and said you're the one who put the motion under uh you put the motion up, right? Yeah, but why can we just bring it back with the language addressing the issue that we had uh put forth? And I don't think we should be discussing [1:48:13, 1:48:33]: You know, come on, this is not this is not what we want to do. We do not want to do that. Okay? So let's make sure that we're discussing the issue at hand, to put it on the table, to protect existing business. If there's a barbershop or salon already there, somebody can reopen that. That's what we want to do. We do not want to uh [1:48:33, 1:48:53]: reduce the limit. This whole discussion was about reducing the one mile limit. I certainly don't want to do that. And I think we have pretty much about the system not to do that. All right, uh what I serve here. Step out Stephen. Uh Ms. What was the what was the motion please? [1:48:53, 1:49:13]: The motion was to deny um as stated to reduce from one mile to half a mile. Yeah. Uh I received [1:49:13, 1:49:17]: should reconsider uh my vote if I may [1:49:18, 1:49:38]: So then well Sam, I think once a reconsideration, he he is actually on the uh approving side. That could be done. So we reconsider now. All right. So uh that'll make it uh but reconsider to abstain. To abstain. Well if he's making a motion to reconsider it. [1:49:38, 1:49:48]: has been properly moved and second and then it's voted on and then you all make the secret. All right, so you you you wanna reconsider, or is there a second to this motion to reconsider? [1:49:48, 1:49:49]: That's it. [1:49:49, 1:49:56]: As bar per second is that. So it has to take a vote on that and all in favor of that reconsideration please indicate. [1:49:57, 1:49:58]: All both. [1:50:00, 1:50:20]: You oppose the possibility? Okay, Celeste Okay. Alright, let's go back to this. Okay, postons may be reconsidered. All favor uh uh records have been reconsider pleasing. Oh, I'm sorry, how [1:50:20, 1:50:24]: We consider it the motion. Well [1:50:24, 1:50:44]: Okay. Well you have to bring the item back first and then vote on it again. Scoop down. I was saying you have to bring the item back first and then vote again on the item. Okay, but we're mostly on the four for if you want to be [1:50:44, 1:50:55]: able to reconsider his vote. Okay? So the motion was made and second. So all in favor of allowing him to reconsider his vote, please indicate. Sir. No. Okay. [1:50:56, 1:50:57]: Okay, now [1:51:00, 1:51:20]: to the original uh motion uh to uh that was made by actually was made by Alexander all right so we'll go back to the original motion that he made in reference to the nine based on the one mile reduce it to a half mile okay so now we're we're so we're gonna do that. [1:51:20, 1:51:40]: Ma'am? Yes ma'am. Just before we vote on that, I just want to make it clear that one mile, point five miles, there's no I mean you you can't say that there's some legal difference between a point five or five miles or twenty miles. It's done, it's done in the county, it's done all over the state, Georgia. [1:51:39, 1:51:51]: So I don't see that there's something illegal. I don't want people thinking that there's something that the mayor and council is doing illegally. And if so, there's something that we need to discuss at any point in time. [1:51:51, 1:51:52]: Yeah, nature. [1:51:53, 1:52:01]: That would be of a legal concern, that would be an executive, so that would be attorney-client privilege. So we need to be aware of that as mayor and counsel. [1:52:02, 1:52:03]: Yeah. At all times. [1:52:03, 1:52:23]: And right now, point five or one mile or two mile or five miles doesn't make a difference. So if you're gonna try to change to five mile point five miles, a half a mile or a mile, that wouldn't make a legal difference in that regard. And so my vote still stands. However, um if there's some things that you want to bring to our attention [1:52:23, 1:52:43]: For the purpose of a moratorium or something, we changed it. We released the moratorium and actually provided a law, an ordinance based off of the mileage. We released that. So just so I think there was a little bit of confusion there. And I just want you guys to uh maybe you can clarify that, Mr. Washington. [1:52:43, 1:52:45]: Yes, uh [1:52:46, 1:53:06]: Miss Johnson sent out and we had some correspondence surrounding that back in March of this year. And that was the correspondence that I was referring to. And I appreciate the Councilman Marvel for noting that. But that's what was highlighted in yellow and what she sent out to you all. And I'm finally having further further clarification about that. [1:53:06, 1:53:07]: Mm. [1:53:07, 1:53:08]: Okay. [1:53:09, 1:53:29]: Alright, so we're back to the the motion. I'm sorry, Ms. Barber, we were back to the motion uh that was made in reference to for denying. Okay, so all favor of the motion to deny the Ms. Please indicate. Is that correct? Yes. Okay, so all all favor you have a motion, sir, to deny what was presented. Correct? [1:53:29, 1:53:46]: We had a motion to deny what was to reduce from one mile to half a mile. It's the same thing, right. That's it. That's all we were talking about. Right. So that's all this table is that you make motion of components. [1:53:46, 1:54:00]: Yeah, how long do we work? Three, three, I mean, we're right. You'll say, okay, so you're you're four, four, three, three, or four, three, three, two, four, and uh guess is Bottom Your book on this one? [1:54:01, 1:54:04]: Can you ask the clerk to read back the motion, please? [1:54:05, 1:54:05]: Yeah. [1:54:08, 1:54:16]: The motion. Got your motion is to deny, made by Councilman Alexander, second by Councilman McGann. [1:54:19, 1:54:39]: From one nine to one. Correct. Now, all favorite motion. Please indicate. Once again. Three. All both. One. Abstain. One. Oh yes. Three, one, one. Yeah, four. Yeah, four. Yes, ma'am. By comment. Again. I like four. Still saying. [1:54:39, 1:54:46]: Okay, so right. Alright. So it was it was denied. Now [1:54:46, 1:55:06]: We're ready to move on. All right. Thank you, Ms. Garner. Uh and Mr. Gardner already gave this uh briefing there on the number and is going to get back to us on that. So the point uh item number 10, we added that was there was a city resolution approving the second intergovernmental development. [1:55:06, 1:55:10]: that is reason and this is on a new Mr. Buskin. [1:55:36, 1:55:56]: This is just to follow up on the cleanup work that council had requested about the properties with the fire station and going back and reviewing the title to these properties. Going back and reviewing the title to these properties, there needed to be a couple of things done. There needed to be a property. [1:55:56, 1:56:16]: Conveyance because there was a proper conveyance done for all the property that was at the fire station. And then that was noted as the Falcony of the Boundary Survey, and there was a new legal description indeed to be done. And so the city just needed to be able to execute the quick claim deed, conveying a new legal description to the DDA, and then the DDA is going to execute. [1:56:15, 1:56:35]: Execute the new quit claim dee to with the correct legal description and missile surveying. And then there's the other resolution for the proper naming of the DDA, which the chairman's already agreed to, which is before council for them to agree to, because there's been some confusion throughout the years about the actual name of the development authority. [1:56:35, 1:56:47]: And so those are the resolutions that encapsulate the request that we had to amend the agenda. So that's the two-minute government agreements and the naming of the DDA. [1:56:49, 1:57:09]: Okay, so right the first one is city resolution approved second in a government to loved the tree. Okay, so requesting for Mr. Washington on that piece. And not uh motion to accept that. Yes, uh first of all, just I want to make a motion to approve because this uh allows us to be able to [1:57:09, 1:57:29]: Transfer the D to the applicant or the sale on the fire station, which is taking incredibly too long. So we need to make that uh correction now. So I'd like to make a motion to do that. Mr. Blount is that made the motion. All fair please indicate as the second. [1:57:29, 1:57:35]: Okay. Mr. Washington, uh second I think the government will develop which is high number. [1:57:36, 1:57:53]: Yes, that intergovernment agreement it will do take care of the transfer from the DDA to the person that is getting the property. Okay. So I think uh for Ms. Blount and then Ms. Gantt for second that all trip will present a day. [1:57:55, 1:58:15]: Alpha's opposition? Do you approve as Barber? Do you approve or sorry? You approved. So C that suspicions you approved. All right. And then item one thirteen city resolution regarding the restatement of the DVA activation and clarification of the DVAs in A. Mr. Washington, please. [1:58:14, 1:58:34]: Yes, and this is to clarify the actual name of the DDA is attached, and we have been in contact with uh Dan Craig, who is the DDA's attorney, and this is what we figured out through doing the boundary survey that we were doing with the fire station: is that to normalize everything you all need to stay in the [1:58:34, 1:58:47]: The chairman I think is Mr. Custin, is that correct? He has agreed to the official name of the DDA and we're asking for you all to adopt that so it can get fixed. [1:58:50, 1:59:10]: The city will start with downtown to go up there, right? That's why too related now to to the DEA now. Yeah, I have a comment that I don't like. Originally when we all did this in the DEA meeting. Originally when the DEA was established in I think nineteen eighty-three, this was an official name. In twenty thirteen. [1:59:10, 1:59:30]: We know what happened in 2013, right? They adopted the new name. So this is really a good opportunity to differentiate the current DDA from the transition of those property outside the state. [1:59:30, 1:59:35]: So the city of Stock Bridge is a downtown development door. [1:59:35, 1:59:55]: Okay. I think it's the downtown development authority of the city is not a Right, well I'm sorry, yeah. That's what I mean. Yeah. Downtown the authority and city is not city as well. Okay. That's the question. Yes. Sorry. Okay. Good deal. [1:59:55, 2:00:15]: Alright, so now we we've gotten that part. So is the motion accept that? So is there a second? Okay, Mr. Alexander and Ms. Gantt, all fairly please indicate. Alright, you guys see it. Thank you, Mr. Wysson. Appreciate it. Thank you. As a matter of fact, you do have all of the resolutions. Yeah. Okay. All right, thank you very much. And for my comments. [2:00:15, 2:00:35]: So as you well know, ladies and gentlemen, we're still in a pandemic, so COVID-19 is still out there. But it's getting better. The numbers are going down, the more people get vaccinated and uh getting tested out. So also we'll keep an eye on our fitness development over the course of time, not only in our county, but in the state and the country as well. But just so you know, the Department of Health and one [2:00:35, 2:00:50]: Henry Parkway. Uh Spinner was able to give the Pfizer and the Derma vaccinations. Uh they're open um five days a week, nine a.m. to eleven thirty, or also one PM to two thirty. And that's uh [2:00:50, 2:01:10]: 470-664-0005. Call them and make an appointment. You can also be tested after COVID-19 at Red Hawk Field, look at 143 Henry Parkway. That's Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. In that aspect, of course, there's plenty places in the in and around Stock Ridge or Henry County area. [2:01:10, 2:01:30]: So please protect yourself in this aspect as well. I want to uh tell the ladies on our council, Happy Mother's Day to you. The staff, happy Mother's Day to the ladies on the staff as well. To the citizens of Stockbridge, Happy Mother's Day to you ladies right around the corner. And those men. [2:01:29, 2:01:49]: children and individuals in your life treat you with up due respect on your one day because they should do it every day of the year, right? And for a little for a little uh interest here, uh we are all, some of us, most of us are good football fans, so I I wish the the NFL draft would go well for without a problem. This is coming too. [2:01:49, 2:02:09]: Week and I think getting some fantastic players and have a great season, right? All right. So on that note, uh we actually I guess another kind of possible ask no thing for you. That's how they put it in there. We're gonna have fun this time. Announcements and upcoming events uh meetings of this council meetings uh we held a course [2:02:09, 2:02:29]: City Council Chambers and some board meetings and committee meetings will continue to take place by way soon. So meeting dates and times are subject to change. So please visit the city website at www.citystoprist.com for meeting invitation links. And Facebook page will contact city hall offices at 770. [2:02:29, 2:02:49]: And city council meetings the second Monday of each month. And City Council Chambers, this will be May 9th. Second Wednesday of each month. Another line meeting room in the city hall, and that'll be May 11th. The main street advisory board meeting is the second Friday of each. [2:02:49, 2:03:09]: month at 9 a.m. by way of Zoom on May 13th. Downtown and Dunn Authority meeting at 6 p.m. by way of Zoom. A third Tuesday beach month by way of Zoom on May 17th. The youth uh youth council advisory committee meeting 6:30 p.m. Uh third Tuesday of each month in the Patrick Henry meeting room city hall city hall says May 17th [2:03:09, 2:03:29]: The City Council work session meeting the last Tuesday of each month. City Council Chamber is May 31st. The Planning Commission meeting is being fourth Thursday least month at 6.30 p.m. We assume it has May 26th. Upcoming city events and initiatives. And we have a continued salute to veterans and please who are fishing. [2:03:29, 2:03:49]: Veterans including name, branch, rank, and years of service. As a member of Tem Thomas presents a special tribute to the local veterans. Thank you for, of course, thank you for your service. Those veterans, please join Costello Tom Blount for the virtual national data prayer. [2:03:49, 2:04:05]: Thursday, May fifth, uh, right uh six thirty PM, watch on Facebook Live and at at uh Stop Brace City Hall. And am I to assume uh have a stop for setting? Even though you still want to have diversity or you wanna have a city hall? [2:04:08, 2:04:28]: Okay, so okay, that's why I want to double check with you. So otherwise it is going to be right here. Okay. So okay, thank you sir. So I'm glad I stopped asking. Okay, on that note, ladies and gentlemen, I have no other announcements uh to make to the public, but we do have an examination session issue that we need to discuss with our attorneys. So I need to [2:04:28, 2:04:48]: motion to go to the second session forward. Yes sir. I move that we enter to decided session for uh real estate personnel. Thank you sir second. Thank you very much folks. I think that's a kind of decision there. And ladies and gentlemen we will go to the second section [2:04:48, 2:04:51]: Back to once we are completely not accident. Thank you. [2:04:53, 2:04:55]: Similarly, there's nothing. [2:04:56, 2:04:59]: That's pretty good. That's pretty good.