2021-10-26 · City Council · Transcript · Work Session Meeting

--- title: October 26 2021 Work Session Meeting date: 2021-10-26 source: 2021-10-26_October_26_2021_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:11, 0:00:12]: Doing great, doing great. [0:00:14, 0:00:15]: We are here. [0:00:15, 0:00:21]: Getting ready for the uh greatest event that's going to take place ever in life, and that is Fam U Homecoming. [0:00:21, 0:00:23]: All right now. [0:00:23, 0:00:24]: Let's make it. [0:00:24, 0:00:29]: The single greatest assembling of everybody anywhere be this weekend in Tallahassee, Florida. [0:00:29, 0:00:31]: Oh yes, okay. [0:00:31, 0:00:34]: I agree with you on that, Tony. Yes. [0:00:35, 0:00:36]: So [0:00:36, 0:00:38]: Yeah, so we will be [0:00:38, 0:00:42]: Unavailable for anything until Monday. Well probably Tuesday actually. [0:00:50, 0:00:51]: Thank you. [0:01:01, 0:01:02]: Yeah. [0:01:02, 0:01:05]: Mary's having some complications. I'm gonna try to get him on. [0:01:06, 0:01:06]: Okay. [0:01:40, 0:01:41]: Uh uh [0:02:29, 0:02:30]: So [0:03:16, 0:03:19]: Well, I'm finally here. [0:03:25, 0:03:26]: Let's see here. [0:03:36, 0:03:42]: Hi ladies and gentlemen, sorry about my delay. It's what you call headspace and timing problem there. [0:03:42, 0:03:50]: In between the ears, right? Anyway, we're here all now. So, anyway, so I think we have a quorum, obviously. Um, so I have now. [0:03:51, 0:03:55]: Uh six oh four. All right. So I like to call this um [0:03:55, 0:03:56]: Wor council work session. [0:03:57, 0:04:02]: Tuesday the twenty sixth of october two thousand and twenty-one to order. [0:04:02, 0:04:06]: On that note, uh Mayor Pro Tem Alexander, please give him location. [0:04:06, 0:04:08]: Would everyone bow your heads, please? [0:04:10, 0:04:11]: Our Lord who dwelt in heaven. [0:04:12, 0:04:13]: Please give us the guise. [0:04:13, 0:04:14]: Wisdom. [0:04:15, 0:04:17]: To do the city's business. [0:04:18, 0:04:22]: With regard to our citizens to make sure their welfare [0:04:23, 0:04:24]: In their best interests. [0:04:25, 0:04:27]: Is the bidding that we do this evening? [0:04:27, 0:04:30]: Please bless every official on this. [0:04:31, 0:04:32]: Meeting tonight. [0:04:33, 0:04:34]: With health, wellness. [0:04:35, 0:04:38]: And to make sure that they are doing the bidding. [0:04:38, 0:04:39]: Of the citizens. [0:04:40, 0:04:43]: This is what we're charged with doing. This is our foremost task. [0:04:44, 0:04:47]: And we will do it in your way as we are seeking the light. [0:04:48, 0:04:50]: to do what's best for our community. [0:04:50, 0:04:52]: Make sure that we feed the hungry. [0:04:52, 0:04:53]: Make sure that we [0:04:54, 0:05:14]: Do what's best to deal with the ills in society. Make sure that we can do what's best to keep this community safe, prosperous, and well-being. We know that it is you that has brought us to this point, this point at the appointed time to move this city in the right direction under your guidance and under your [0:05:14, 0:05:15]: More code. [0:05:15, 0:05:35]: We know that you you know all and that you see all and that you have and that you will guide us in the ways to do the right thing and to make sure that we understand it is you, it is all you that sees, hears, and adjusts based on what our needs, what is best for us. [0:05:35, 0:05:48]: for us whether we know it or not. Thank you, Lord, for being who you are and what you are and the force in our lives for good. Thank you. Amen. Amen. [0:05:49, 0:05:50]: Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. [0:05:53, 0:06:06]: A pledge of allegiance to the foreign. And to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:06:15, 0:06:17]: For some reason here, um [0:06:21, 0:06:26]: We need to take uh we need to take the um Madam Clerk, we need to take a roll call, make sure we have a coin. [0:06:31, 0:06:32]: May afford. [0:06:32, 0:06:32]: Present. [0:06:33, 0:06:34]: Mayor Pro Tem Alexander. [0:06:34, 0:06:36]: Present. Councilwoman Barber. [0:06:37, 0:06:37]: That's it. [0:06:37, 0:06:38]: Councilman Blount. [0:06:39, 0:06:40]: Present. [0:06:40, 0:06:41]: Councilwoman Gantt. [0:06:42, 0:06:44]: Present. Councilman Thomas. [0:06:44, 0:06:45]: Present. [0:06:45, 0:06:50]: Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. Thank you very much. Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:06:56, 0:07:14]: Well, I was suggesting if if this is proper. Um items five and six that deal with a second reading for the UDC along with the actual zoning map. Um, like for us to um delay that until January. Additional review is needed in this aspect and the pleasure. [0:07:15, 0:07:16]: Some move. [0:07:17, 0:07:18]: Okay, zero second. [0:07:19, 0:07:20]: That's it. [0:07:20, 0:07:22]: Okay, all in favor please indicate. [0:07:24, 0:07:28]: Thank you. It looks like it's unanimous. Okay, and that aspect. Now what I Yes, sir. [0:07:29, 0:07:49]: Can we amend the agenda to at least open either for uh discussion or an update uh pertaining to uh the mitigation, beautification, and uh uh um of uh um leash in the widening of lease street in um east Atlanta? Also, um if there [0:07:49, 0:08:00]: If including a discussion will give us even an update or something on that pertaining to those areas. And if there's a schedule for sound check, I would like that to be a part of it also. [0:08:01, 0:08:05]: Well I would tell you why my understanding is that's gonna be on the agenda for uh eighth of November. [0:08:07, 0:08:15]: We'll we'll have we'll talk about those issues eighth and over. If if I stand corrected, uh city attorneys, I believe that is that is a true. Is that case? Is that right? [0:08:19, 0:08:21]: I believe so, Mary. I believe so. [0:08:22, 0:08:25]: I think that's supposed to be on the agenda uh for the next meeting. [0:08:25, 0:08:29]: Right. Well we'll we'll talk about things distentibly then. [0:08:30, 0:08:40]: Okay. Mayor at uh one more question at this point, sir. For his events for the amphitheater, for his concerts for the year. Uh yes, we are, sir. [0:08:40, 0:08:40]: Okay. [0:08:41, 0:08:43]: Thank you. Um [0:08:44, 0:09:04]: Also, I'd like to I'm sorry, I'd like to also mention to you that uh item number 11 um is uh we're not prepared for that. We don't have the proper amount of individual that is qualified for the uh member of the planning commission. So I'd like to have a message a mission, excuse me, a motion to um [0:09:04, 0:09:07]: uh take that off the agenda as well until we get qualified people. [0:09:08, 0:09:08]: So move. [0:09:09, 0:09:10]: So a second. [0:09:10, 0:09:12]: Thank you. All in favor, please indicate. [0:09:14, 0:09:34]: All right, thank you. And one other thing, because of the removal of the UDC and the zoning, uh we need to have actually add to the agenda uh discussion and approval of extending the moratorium that would end at the end of this month, and we'll need to take it till the the till the January uh 31st and or until we [0:09:33, 0:09:41]: actually have our second reading which we'll have a second reading on the UDC um and the zoning map in uh January. [0:09:41, 0:09:43]: So they're a second. [0:09:45, 0:09:48]: Mr. Blount, okay. All in favor, please indicate. [0:09:49, 0:10:09]: And okay, thank you very much. Now that that discussion or that uh conversation about the moratorium extension will be uh it'll come right before or it's part of the new business. So we'll make it number, we'll make it after the council consideration approved the apply for the governor's uh governor's grant. Okay. [0:10:10, 0:10:11]: We'll take a right there. [0:10:13, 0:10:25]: Okay, so on that note, I will actually now need a motion to adopt the agenda as as as we as is stated. So moved. [0:10:25, 0:10:26]: All in favor, please indicate. [0:10:28, 0:10:48]: Thank you very much. Unanimous is okay. I need a motion to review the minutes from the uh September 13th council meeting and also the September 28th uh council work session. And uh obviously we will approve these um these actual uh minutes during the actual uh next next council meeting. [0:10:48, 0:10:57]: On the eighth of November, but if you know whether or not there's anything that needs to be changed at this time or anything that you have, counsel in reference to this. If not, um [0:10:58, 0:10:59]: We'll move on. [0:10:59, 0:11:01]: So move. Thank you. Is there a second? [0:11:04, 0:11:06]: Ms. Barber Seconds had all in favor, please indicate. [0:11:08, 0:11:15]: Thank you very much. All right, now uh Miss Uh Ms. Holliday, our city clerk, we have any public comments at all? [0:11:15, 0:11:19]: Mayor, we do have one public comment. Please go ahead, read it. [0:11:19, 0:11:22]: Comment submitted by Sunny Rendezzo. [0:11:22, 0:11:25]: Bryant Street, Backbridge, Georgia. [0:11:27, 0:11:31]: I am requesting that all future council meetings are open to the public. [0:11:31, 0:11:33]: The taxpayers have not [0:11:33, 0:11:38]: been allowed to attend meetings in person since two thousand nineteen. [0:11:38, 0:11:43]: In that period, you spent twenty-four million dollars on a music venue. [0:11:43, 0:11:46]: While citizens are crying for traffic relief. [0:11:47, 0:11:52]: You have now hosted two concerts with literally thousands of people attending. [0:11:52, 0:11:59]: In the meantime, we are paying for flashing lights, which might as well say stay out of Stockbridge on concert days. [0:12:00, 0:12:04]: and most likely costing local merchants their normal weekend revenues. [0:12:05, 0:12:08]: I thought we built the amphitheater to attract new businesses. [0:12:09, 0:12:12]: How will that work when we are warning customers? [0:12:13, 0:12:15]: Consumers out of stock reach. [0:12:16, 0:12:21]: The fact that we are still unable to attend meetings in person is hypocritical. [0:12:22, 0:12:23]: And disrespectful. [0:12:24, 0:12:29]: to your constituents. If we can't attend meetings inside City Hall due to COVID. [0:12:30, 0:12:31]: Then hold them outside. [0:12:32, 0:12:33]: At the amphitheater. [0:12:33, 0:12:35]: where we are paying. [0:12:35, 0:12:36]: Four. [0:12:36, 0:12:37]: Also [0:12:37, 0:12:40]: Please provide the citizens with updates tonight. [0:12:41, 0:12:43]: On the plan for noise mitigation. [0:12:43, 0:12:45]: For the community. Thank you. [0:12:46, 0:12:47]: There are no further comments here. [0:12:47, 0:13:07]: Well, thank you for that. And obviously in this uh case, the council, uh, that is something that we need to discuss as a council, as a group, and whether or not uh how when we would want to open that up. So further conversation will have to be had in reference to that. So we'll see how that goes with uh internally and then we'll just make a decision on that note. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. If my if I [0:13:07, 0:13:14]: I may also correct the record, the city council did hold meetings in 2019, so that information was incorrect. [0:13:15, 0:13:17]: Okay, thank you very much. Appreciate it. [0:13:17, 0:13:23]: Okay. Next is presentation, police services presentation by Chief Frank Trammer. Sir. [0:13:25, 0:13:25]: Please. [0:13:27, 0:13:33]: Thank you, Mayor and Council. Um I appreciate the opportunity to present this information. I know that uh [0:13:33, 0:13:38]: Uh many of the council members have met with most of you individually and so you've had an opportunity to [0:13:39, 0:13:45]: uh see this information and discuss it, but um I I'm I'm looking forward to the opportunity to [0:13:45, 0:13:50]: uh reveal this to members of the community who are watching this evening as well as other interested parties. [0:13:51, 0:14:04]: My hope is that we can get through this presentation in the span of about 15 minutes. So if we could uh please hold questions till the end of the presentation and we could go back and refer to anything that you might have questions on. [0:14:05, 0:14:09]: Um without uh I guess with uh without further ado. [0:14:10, 0:14:16]: If we could uh go ahead and go through this presentation here. So the first thing that I need to do, I guess, is share my screen. [0:14:17, 0:14:18]: So that you all can see. [0:14:20, 0:14:21]: The presentation. [0:14:22, 0:14:23]: Uh let's see here. [0:14:24, 0:14:25]: Are you all able to see that? [0:14:27, 0:14:30]: should say Stockbridge Police Department Police Services presentation. [0:14:31, 0:14:32]: Yes. We we see it. [0:14:32, 0:14:33]: Okay, yeah, yeah. [0:14:34, 0:14:54]: Excellent. So as it relates to uh the financial uh impact of implementing a police department, uh the personnel obviously are the uh largest expense that the department's gonna have. So the first thing that we need to do in order to accurately project the cost of the police department is to understand what we need in terms of [0:14:54, 0:14:57]: of staffing to be able to provide services to the community. [0:14:57, 0:15:03]: So the first part of this is to project our staffing needs. And the subsequent steps here we will go through. [0:15:03, 0:15:05]: Um, some of this will be a little quick. [0:15:06, 0:15:14]: But some of this I think you will find will be a repeat of information that was discussed and was covered in the most recent feasibility study. [0:15:15, 0:15:20]: So the feasibility study that was done in 2020 by the Carl Vinson Institute of Government. [0:15:20, 0:15:28]: uh if you recall projected based on various different uh methodologies used to determine the number of officers needed to provide services to the city. [0:15:29, 0:15:33]: Came up with a range of officers from forty five to eighty four officers. [0:15:34, 0:15:36]: And ultimately it was recommended. [0:15:37, 0:15:38]: By the feasibility study. [0:15:39, 0:15:42]: That Stockbridge start with fifty seven officers. [0:15:44, 0:15:44]: Now [0:15:45, 0:15:46]: A lot of these [0:15:47, 0:16:02]: methodologies here, they're not extremely accurate in terms of determining the exact number of officers that are needed. This is basically just a baseline estimate. So the thing that we want to do is really look at what's called a workload-based staffing methodology. [0:16:03, 0:16:15]: And what this is doing is it's actually looking for the calls for service, looking at the the the service demand in the city, uh determining how much time it takes to address those calls that are coming in from members of the community. [0:16:15, 0:16:22]: And then establishing some other variables that are going to help us arrive at some staffing numbers. And all of this, I promise you, will make sense. [0:16:22, 0:16:42]: Uh as we progress through the presentation. So the first thing that we have to do is we have to understand the true demand for service in the city. So what does that look like? And if you recall in the feasibility study, uh, those of you that uh have read it, and for those of you not familiar with it, one of the issues because of the geography of the city that they had difficult, uh, difficult [0:16:42, 0:16:53]: Time estimating the actual service demand for the city because they were pulling data from various different zones that were close to Stock Ridge, but there may have been calls. [0:16:54, 0:17:05]: that were actually in the city proper and there may have been calls that were not. And so the numbers were really an estimate and it was difficult to accurately project based on those numbers the true demand. [0:17:05, 0:17:11]: The good thing is is that Henry County has recently um gone with a new uh CAD system. [0:17:11, 0:17:16]: And their CAN system has been able to uh by virtue of their G GIS layers. [0:17:17, 0:17:24]: to discriminate what calls actually are part of the city versus what calls are occurring in the county. [0:17:24, 0:17:30]: And so the most recent data that I want to share with you here is from July 2020 to July 2021. [0:17:31, 0:17:33]: And for that entire year period. [0:17:33, 0:17:38]: You can see here there were twenty two thousand eight hundred and sixty two calls for service within the city. [0:17:39, 0:17:51]: If you look down through, you can see some of these crime numbers here and an estimate of stockbridges calls for service versus the county calls for service and also some crime data here, but we'll cover that a little bit later. [0:17:51, 0:17:59]: So the next thing that we have to do is determine how much time does it take an officer to handle uh these 22,000 plus calls that are coming in. [0:18:00, 0:18:06]: And uh we could look at the exact amount of time that was spent and the Carl Benson study did. [0:18:06, 0:18:16]: But they found that the amount of time spent on calls coincided with the IACP best practice for determining the amount of time that officers spend on calls. [0:18:17, 0:18:23]: And uh this is an excerpt from page ten of the Carl Vinson study. It said that on average it takes an officer about forty-five minutes. [0:18:24, 0:18:28]: to handle one call for service. So forty five minutes uh per call. [0:18:29, 0:18:34]: And the next thing that we have to do in order to figure out our staffing is to calculate the shift relief factor. [0:18:35, 0:18:37]: And the shift relief factor. [0:18:37, 0:18:44]: In essence is you all understand the fact that a police officer cannot work every single day of the week that [0:18:44, 0:18:56]: You have to allow time for off days and vacation and training along the and and things along those lines. So um again, the national average for relief factor is about 1.84. So what that means in essence. [0:18:56, 0:19:03]: Is that for every position that requires one officer to staff that position, you basically need one point eight four officers. [0:19:03, 0:19:16]: in order to provide continuity of service. And so of course we can't have 1.84 officers. So you would need two officers to staff every ship for which it requires one officer. And this'll this will be relevant here in just a moment. [0:19:17, 0:19:22]: So the next thing that we have to do is establish our performance objectives. And what we mean by performance objectives. [0:19:23, 0:19:30]: Uh is basically how much discretionary time do we want our officers to have to be able to engage? [0:19:30, 0:19:32]: And true community policing effort. [0:19:32, 0:19:49]: And uh we aspire to be a police department that has time to get out and and interact with the community, to engage in foot patrols, to um attend neighborhood association meetings in various different uh civic and community functions. We want our officers to be able to have time to do that. [0:19:50, 0:19:50]: Um [0:19:51, 0:19:57]: It it and and according to studies that have been done, and there's the notation here from the ICP. [0:19:57, 0:20:05]: that that if those standards, those performance standards, fall below 35%, what you're essentially dealing with is a reactive police force. [0:20:05, 0:20:18]: Is that they are responding to calls for service. They're not proactively addressing problems in the community. Um, they're not truly engaging in community policing. And having come from Atlanta and especially at the onset of Sandy Springs. [0:20:19, 0:20:28]: Um the calls were such that you didn't have a lot of time to really get out and engage and put patrols and different activities with members of the communities because you're running from call to call to call. [0:20:28, 0:20:37]: So the the the the recommendation, and there are several different recommendations. The recommendations basically between 40 to 50 percent of an officer's time. [0:20:37, 0:20:50]: be uncommitted so that that officer has an opportunity to engage either in uh uh community policing or some sort of proactive policing measure, whether that be traffic forcement or hotspot policing or something along those lines. [0:20:51, 0:20:52]: Now [0:20:52, 0:21:07]: If we were to incorporate those standards here, the I the the IECP recommends that an officer have about 45% of their uh schedule uncommitted, unobligated, so that they can engage in these proactive or community policing functions. [0:21:08, 0:21:11]: Uh the International City and Managers Association um [0:21:11, 0:21:14]: Their standard is forty percent unobligated time. [0:21:14, 0:21:22]: But the police allocation model through Northwestern University School Police Staff and Command recommends fifty percent. So you can see there's a range there between 40. [0:21:23, 0:21:29]: the fifty percent, but we really don't want to fall below forty percent because what happens here is we get into a reactive mode of policing and we're not able to provide. [0:21:30, 0:21:31]: true community policing. [0:21:31, 0:21:37]: So based on these different models here, when we uh do the calculations, which you'll see here in just a moment. [0:21:37, 0:21:45]: Utilizing the first model, the fifty percent unobligated time would require thirty-eight officers. And I want you to understand this is not inclusive of supervisors. [0:21:45, 0:21:46]: Um [0:21:47, 0:21:51]: Um or I'm sorry, this is not inclusive of a support stand. [0:21:51, 0:22:01]: If we were to go the route of 45% based on the IECP recommendation, it would require 35 officers. These are patrol officers. And the ICMA model would require 32 officers. [0:22:03, 0:22:13]: The next thing we have to do is calculate our staffing estimates. And so I want to take you through how we arrived at these numbers that I'm going to share with you here in just a moment. So if you refer back to or if you recall the information that we presented previously. [0:22:13, 0:22:21]: Um the calls for service during the uh the year period from July to July, July 2020, July 2021. [0:22:21, 0:22:24]: was twenty two thousand eight hundred and sixty-two calls for service. [0:22:25, 0:22:31]: If you recall, it takes an officer an average of about 45 minutes to handle those calls. So we multiply that by a factor of 0.75. [0:22:31, 0:22:41]: And we arrive at a number of 17,147. This is basically the number of hours that is required of an officer to be able to handle the service demand for the city. [0:22:42, 0:22:49]: We have our relief factor, which has already been calculated for us. And this number number right here, as we said before, is a variable number. So between 40 to 50 percent. [0:22:49, 0:22:50]: Um [0:22:50, 0:22:55]: of uncommitted time that we need to engage in community policing. So just taking you through [0:22:55, 0:23:00]: The calculations here, you take the number from number two, the seventeen thousand one hundred and forty-seven. [0:23:00, 0:23:15]: uh hours that are required for an officer to provide service and we divide that by a variable of 0.5, which would represent 50% uncommitted time, it would require 34,294 total yearly officer hours to provide that level of service. [0:23:16, 0:23:17]: Now [0:23:17, 0:23:33]: With the model that we're looking at, we're looking at 12-hour shifts. So an officer on a 12-hour shift would work 2196 hours a year. So we divide that number there. And it would come up with 15.62 officers. And again, we can't go with a 0.62. We always have to round up on these. [0:23:34, 0:23:45]: So it would require six officers to be able to meet this demand if they did not take any time off. It would be 16 officers to meet this demand without taking any vacation, any training, or time off. [0:23:45, 0:23:50]: That's where our relief factor comes into play. So we multiply that 16 by 1.84. [0:23:50, 0:23:58]: Gives us 29.44. So essentially 30 officers it will require a bus in order to provide services factoring in. [0:23:59, 0:24:00]: The um [0:24:00, 0:24:01]: Um [0:24:02, 0:24:02]: The off time. [0:24:03, 0:24:12]: The recommended recommendation for police officer to supervisor ratio is one to seven. So if we take that number of 30 officers divided by seven, we end up with 4.28. [0:24:12, 0:24:28]: times the relief factor because again the supervisors are going to need time off. That's going to give us 7.88 or eight supervisors. So for the patrol function, it requires essentially 30 officers and eight supervisors using the 50-50 time month. And again, these numbers would scale down based on whether we use [0:24:28, 0:24:31]: Fifty percent, forty five, or forty percent. [0:24:32, 0:24:32]: So [0:24:33, 0:24:47]: The other recommendation or the other uh best practice is that 60% of your personnel be assigned to patrol or call answering functions. These would be your officers and your mark units, whether it be your traffic unit, your crime suppression, your canine, your patrol units. [0:24:47, 0:24:52]: Um the officers actually performing uh the the the the traditional police function. [0:24:52, 0:24:53]: Uh and you need [0:24:54, 0:25:07]: Uh on average, about 40% of your staff or support functions. That would be investigation, training, and other administrative uh functions that would be required to run the department. So if we add 40% to that, we're at 53.2. [0:25:07, 0:25:11]: And again, we have to round that up. So fifty-four officers based on [0:25:11, 0:25:16]: the actual calls for service if we were to go with fifty percent uncommitted time. [0:25:17, 0:25:24]: So the next slide that I want to share with you is what these numbers would look like depending on what model we go with. If we went with the police allocation model. [0:25:25, 0:25:31]: We require 38 officers. We add 40% to that, gives us 54 sworn officers. If we go with the IST model. [0:25:31, 0:25:46]: Uh 35 officers plus 40% of that's 49%. And as we go down to 60 and 40 uncommitted time, that's 32 officers with 40% gives you 45 sworn officers in order to be able to provide that quality of service or that level of service to the community. [0:25:47, 0:25:55]: Now, if you were to look at based on crime comparisons, and you can see what I put together is some similarly situated cities. [0:25:55, 0:26:05]: that are roughly the equivalent population of the city of Stockbridge. And so you see our violent crime ratio is 2.37, our property crime ratio is 30.47. [0:26:05, 0:26:13]: And if we were to come up with an average of the number of officers that we need based on our crime ratio, that number would be about 75. [0:26:13, 0:26:21]: Now, I don't believe based on the workload assessment that we need that, but if we were to use the comparison cities and what they have for officers, that's the model that we would be looking at. [0:26:22, 0:26:23]: So in essence [0:26:23, 0:26:33]: This is what I came up with based on the workload-based methodology is we would need at a minimum 45 officers to a maximum of 75. [0:26:33, 0:26:41]: But the optimal range really would be somewhere between 56 and 62 sworn officers to provide the level of service that we would desire to provide for the community. [0:26:42, 0:26:48]: So based on that, the next thing that we have to do is figure out our organizational structure, how are we going to break the department down? [0:26:48, 0:26:59]: So optimally based on the high end of that range, the 62 number, uh, it would require 62 full-time sworn uh staff and nine civilian employees for a total of 71 officers. This would be optimally. [0:26:59, 0:27:10]: Um, the cost for that would at the at the low end be about six and a half million dollars up to the high end of$7.1 million. And this would be if we brought everybody in at the max range. [0:27:10, 0:27:20]: of the pay scale, which is not likely. So the more realistic number is probably going to fall somewhere in the mid-range there. So for the staffing model, it would re it it would be roughly equivalent to$6.9 million. [0:27:21, 0:27:27]: If we were to go with another scenario and we were look at the low end of that optimal range, fifty-six officers with nine support staff. [0:27:28, 0:27:35]: Uh what that looks like is on the very high end would be about six and a half million dollars, mid-range six point three, on the low end about six million dollars. [0:27:37, 0:27:42]: If we go to the next scenario here and slightly scale down from that at 54 officers, nine support staff. [0:27:42, 0:27:48]: Uh what we would be looking at is roughly 6.3 on the high end, 6.1 the mid end. [0:27:48, 0:27:51]: and five point eight conservatively on the low end. [0:27:51, 0:28:00]: And the last scenario I want to present to you here is the IACP recommendation. This is the 49 officers based on the 45% uncommitted time. [0:28:00, 0:28:02]: And if we were to go that route. [0:28:03, 0:28:16]: what that would look like conservatively on the low end the department would end up costing about 5.4 million. More realistically, probably closer to 5.7, and on the high end, about$5.8 million for this particular staffing model. [0:28:18, 0:28:38]: Now we've got our organizational structure determined, which is important because that helps us calculate salaries and wages. One of the things I've been able to do is do a salary study based on what other police agencies in the Metro Atlanta area are paying their officers. And of course, we want to be competitive. The average uh starting salary for police officer. [0:28:37, 0:28:52]: the metro Atlanta area is about$44,000. On the very high end, it's about$63,000. And according to our current pay plan for the city, our minimum starting salary for an officer would be about$43,159. And the maximum salary would be$64,000. [0:28:53, 0:29:13]: Um, this is just uh in line with the department's current pace structure. And you can see uh let's say for an example, um, that we took we look at a police officer here. Police officer would be roughly the equivalent of grade uh pay grade 111 for the city. Uh if this officer were to come in with generally with no experience, that officer would be on the low end of the scale there starting. [0:29:13, 0:29:15]: Yeah, forty three thousand one fifty nine. [0:29:16, 0:29:26]: Now, this is a tiered system that we take into account what an officer is bringing to the table, their training, their credentials, their certifications. The more points they have, the higher they'll fall on this matrix. [0:29:27, 0:29:31]: And these levels here are basically uh based on your education level. So an A six. [0:29:32, 0:29:37]: This would be the equivalent of an associate's degree. This would be equivalent of a bachelor's uh a bachelor's up to a master's degree. [0:29:38, 0:29:58]: And so, say for instance, if you have an associate's degree and you have 50 points, your starting salary would be roughly$49,000. That's how we come up with this matrix. And we have a similar scale for the various different positions. And this is just some of the other levels that we were considering. So you can see what the salary range is there. And again, all of these salary ranges. [0:29:58, 0:30:04]: We've done a salary study so that these salaries are in line with the Metro Atlanta average. [0:30:05, 0:30:22]: So then we need to look at the the uh the the annual cost, right? What's the department gonna cost us? If you recall from the Carl Vinson study here, um it said personnel service is gonna be about 4.6, operating costs a little over a million. Their number was 5.688, which is very close to what we come up with in terms of what we would need to provide. [0:30:22, 0:30:39]: uh scenario three in terms of service, but what that did not take into account is the cost of inflation. So the six million dollar number is roughly the equivalent of what it would uh what it would be in today's dollars based on uh based on that study with a 3% inflation. This is projecting out into 2022. [0:30:40, 0:30:55]: These are numbers from scenario three that we had discussed with that ICMA model. 49 officers, nine support staff would at the low end be about 5.4 million, mid-range 5.6, and on the high end about 5.8 million total annual costs. [0:30:56, 0:31:08]: This is just an FYI slide looking at what other similarly situated cities are paying for police services. You can see here McDonough has 63 officers. Their annual police budget's$5.9, almost$6 million. [0:31:09, 0:31:12]: Um Carolton has 82, theirs is 8.5. [0:31:12, 0:31:25]: And if we were to go with a per capita rate, um, then then that's where this 8 million number comes from. I'm not saying that that's the number that would be required. This would probably be the number that would be required if we will have that maximum range of 75 officers. [0:31:25, 0:31:30]: Which again, based on the workload, I don't think is uh is is necessary or appropriate. [0:31:30, 0:31:37]: So we've got the annual operating costs. Uh, we're estimating the startup cost, and this is just a breakdown of the startup cost by category. [0:31:38, 0:31:46]: So included in the background and recruitment expenses would be fees associated with polygraph, psychological, medical screening. [0:31:46, 0:31:49]: Um and uh and and um uh [0:31:50, 0:32:05]: some various different um other other functions. One of the things is a variable expense here is what some agencies are doing is they're actually paying a hiring incentive or a hiring bonus uh to bring officers into the organization. And I honestly believe, I mean, I've had probably 150 to 200 [0:32:05, 0:32:25]: um people reach out to me already expressing interest in coming and joining the department um just since that's been announced. And honestly, I don't know that we would need to implement a bonus system to attract people. This number is taking into account if we were to implement that, that that would be a potential cost in addition to some of the other recruitment and background costs. [0:32:25, 0:32:35]: There will be some minor renovations probably needed to be made to the police facility. We've estimated those at about a half a million dollars and then about$250,000 in furnishing. [0:32:35, 0:32:45]: Uh the next um item here is it relates to fleet. Uh the number of vehicles that we required to staff this department would uh would would be about 58 vehicles. [0:32:45, 0:32:58]: And um uh that's to allow too for uh extra vehicles in the event that a vehicle gets crashed or something along those lines uh were to occur. And to purchase those vehicles outright would be about 2.9. [0:32:59, 0:33:00]: The three million dollars. [0:33:00, 0:33:04]: Uh the mobile radios, you can see the cost there, in-car cameras, mobile printers. [0:33:04, 0:33:18]: We get into technology, another um uh significant expense would be a report management system. That would be uh the system that's utilized to dispatch calls for officers to run information, to generate reports. [0:33:18, 0:33:25]: This would basically be the software that would be using to conduct business in terms of reporting information to the FBI. [0:33:26, 0:33:30]: for crime reporting purposes and just documenting all the instances that are occurring in the city. [0:33:31, 0:33:35]: Uh software expenses, telecommunications, printers, you can see all these things here, web services. [0:33:35, 0:33:44]: Uh uniform and gear, and and you know, I've got all this stuff broken down. You can see to equip the entire department based on that model, 49 officers, nine civilian employees. [0:33:44, 0:33:51]: Would be about 185,000. Uh portable radios, 290,000, ballistic vest, 42, body worn cameras, about 34. [0:33:52, 0:33:56]: Uh then ammunition, tasers, rifles, pistols, you can see the costs associated with that. [0:33:56, 0:34:06]: And um so so we would be looking at a total startup cost of about six point one million dollars if we were to purchase all these things outright. And what's what's notated here in red. [0:34:07, 0:34:12]: is expenses that could be reimbursable either through ARPA funds or through the acquisition of grants. [0:34:13, 0:34:30]: If we were able to max out the total reimbursable expense, the total after reimbursable expenses would be about$1.8 million. And we have$3 million bonded, which would mean that if we were able to do that, then we wouldn't need necessarily that entire$3 million that's been bonded for the police department. [0:34:31, 0:34:45]: So those are the expenses, but we need to know what are the revenues, right? And again, this is information that you have seen before through the Carl Benson study. Uh it was estimated that property tax rollback would be about 1.9 or uh$1.9 million. [0:34:45, 0:34:56]: Um the city's contribution for supplemental services through the county at 500,000, estimated revenue from municipal court. And that's where we get our revenue amounts, so$2.9 million roughly. [0:34:56, 0:35:00]: And then we subtract that from the total operating cost, which gives us our budget shortfall. [0:35:01, 0:35:06]: First figure there is based on the Carl Benson study. Second figure is the low end of that scale of 5.4. [0:35:07, 0:35:15]: For the 49 officers, nine civilian staff, and at the high end, 5.8, we would be looking at a max a budget deficit of about$2.9 million. [0:35:16, 0:35:36]: So this is the range for budget shortfall. And from last meeting when Mr. Harris was on, he indicated that this would cost. So if we were to have to implement at the maximum range three mills in a local property tax to be able to offset these expenses, that would equate to [0:35:36, 0:35:40]: to uh roughly$105 for a$225,000 home. [0:35:41, 0:35:45]: And uh that would equate to about eight point seven five dollars per month. [0:35:45, 0:35:49]: Or eight dollars and seventy five cents rather, uh, if we had to implement [0:35:50, 0:35:50]: The text. [0:35:51, 0:35:58]: Now there's some other things that the Carl Vincent report did not take into consideration. And one of the big things is the American Rescue Plan. [0:35:58, 0:36:09]: Uh, since that was relatively new, there were a lot of questions as to what those funds could be utilized for. And I'll show you here in just a moment that uh there are a number of agencies who are using American Rescue Plan Act funds. [0:36:10, 0:36:16]: to purchase things related to public safety, assuming that certain criteria is met. [0:36:17, 0:36:27]: So I was able to obtain, excuse me, for just a moment from Mr. Wiggins, uh the city's currently received about$5.6 million in ARPA funds. [0:36:27, 0:36:42]: And it's estimated the city will receive uh potentially uh close to 11 million, if not maybe slightly more than that, up to 14 million, based upon a supplemental program that I believe Mr. Aaron will be presenting on later. So uh potentially$14 million in ARPA funding. [0:36:43, 0:36:44]: So um [0:36:45, 0:36:55]: That there's there's tremendous potential there to utilize that to offset some of these expenses. On average, agencies are are obtaining between 50 to half a million dollars a year in grant funding to offset expenses. [0:36:55, 0:37:15]: Um municipal court fines was projected at$1.3 million. But one of the things that we need to take in consideration is through the implementation of local criminal ordinances, that will be another element that will be processed through municipal court. So I would anticipate that you would see fees through municipal court increase, which would also increase probation fees. [0:37:16, 0:37:21]: Uh police departments generally uh bring in about$120,000 annually in uh [0:37:21, 0:37:39]: confiscated property, asset forfeitures. This can't be used to offset our budget, but these funds can be used to provide things for like training and equipment, so on and so forth. And on average, most agencies are bringing about$55,000 a year in license and permits and other charges associated with operating the police department, which you can see here. [0:37:39, 0:37:59]: There are a lot of grant funding opportunities out there. As you recall from the operating costs, so body cameras at$34,400. You can potentially get grant funding to offset that as long as well as with in-car video. Radio is less lethal, the report management system, computers, so on and so forth. There are a ton of grant opportunities that exist. [0:37:59, 0:38:02]: out there, it just takes time to apply for those. [0:38:03, 0:38:08]: So if we were to take into consideration uh uh potential [0:38:08, 0:38:12]: increase in uh uh fine fees through municipal court. [0:38:12, 0:38:16]: uh we could potentially increase the uh the court [0:38:16, 0:38:17]: Um [0:38:18, 0:38:22]: fees and that would be roughly the equivalent of about, you know. [0:38:22, 0:38:22]: Uh [0:38:23, 0:38:30]: $950,000 there. We were able to secure$250,000 conservatively in grant funding and other revenue sources. [0:38:30, 0:38:38]: You can see here that we're still having a budget shortfall. However, that budget shortfall has reduced considerably, which would offset uh the cost. [0:38:38, 0:38:45]: that would need to be um implemented in terms of uh the the uh property tax and millage rate. [0:38:45, 0:38:51]: Now, as it relates to ARPA funding, one of the things that I wanted to point out to you was that uh President Biden had announced [0:38:51, 0:38:56]: that law enforcement organizations are able to utilize ARPA funding. [0:38:56, 0:38:58]: to essentially reduce um [0:38:59, 0:38:59]: Uh um [0:39:00, 0:39:08]: Um instances of crime. So communities have been impacted, especially as it relates to violent crime and gun crime by the COVID pandemic. [0:39:08, 0:39:19]: um they can utilize these funds to um address these issues and provide safe and secure cities. So uh if you look at that communities uh this is directly from the ARPA um [0:39:20, 0:39:30]: site here communities experiencing a surge in gun violence as a result of pandemic may use the American Rescue Plan's$350 million in state and local funding for purchases such as hiring law enforcement officials. [0:39:30, 0:39:33]: additional enforcement efforts and investing in technology and equipment. [0:39:34, 0:39:51]: Now, the catch to this is that you're you're you have to show a nexus between how you're spending that money and that that money is going to be used to reduce violent crime. And so what you have to first be able to prove is that your community has seen an increase in violent crime. [0:39:51, 0:39:53]: As a result of the pandemic [0:39:53, 0:40:07]: And if it has, then anything that you do in terms of these areas right here, you could potentially use that ARPA funding to offset costs associated with that in hopes of bringing the crime down. So I was able to obtain crime statistics for the city. [0:40:07, 0:40:15]: And it was apparent that violent crime has risen significantly during the pandemic in the city of Stockbridge, especially in the area of homicide and aggravated assaults. [0:40:15, 0:40:24]: So based on the crime data that we have, you can see there that Stockbridge is basically 4.19 or 4.19% of the overall land mass in the county. [0:40:25, 0:40:31]: And it equ it it equates to uh or is responsible for for almost a quarter of the crime in the county. [0:40:31, 0:40:42]: So considering the land mass we occupy and the amount of crime that we have, uh, Stockbridge is responsible for 38% of the robberies, 38% of or 30% of homicides, and 20% of overall aggravated assaults. [0:40:43, 0:41:03]: across the county. And so based on this information here, I'm certain that we would qualify. And there's no I mean, there's no greater way to qualify than say, hey, listen, we're implementing an entire police department to address these issues. And I believe that a vast majority of the um the expenses that we have associated with the police department, that we could use those funds to do that. And this is just an over [0:41:03, 0:41:23]: So you can see for yourself, these are excerpts from some news articles about how other agencies are using the ARPA funding. So you can see here that there are agencies using it to purchase communications equipment, agencies using it to purchase police vehicles, to acquire technology. Lorraine in Ohio used it to hire police officers. [0:41:22, 0:41:24]: And um [0:41:24, 0:41:43]: You can see here this is from the city of uh Lompet that uh they're using ARPA funding, 521,000 to purchase body cameras, 805,000 for police vehicles, 650,000 for radios, and a million dollars of that funding they're using for police uh for the CAD system, which would be the equivalent of that RMS system that we spoke of. [0:41:43, 0:41:59]: So there's tremendous potential to offset these expenses through the utilization of some of those funds and all those funds have not been committed uh committed to. I believe that uh roughly we've we've currently allocated about two million dollars in the ARPA funds that we have for projects. [0:41:59, 0:42:19]: um particularly associated with sewer water and stormwater projects, but that still leaves a considerable portion to our discretion in terms of uh how we would like to utilize that. So in essence, if we were to, and these funds can be used through December 31st of 2024, if we were to use these funds, then we could potentially offset the expense of implementation [0:42:19, 0:42:31]: of the police department and we could we could potentially forego the entire year of 2023 in a best case scenario of incorporating any sort of supplemental property tax to provide police services for the city. [0:42:32, 0:42:51]: Now there were a couple other questions that I wanted to uh or or or I think outliers uh some unknowns that existed out there. And I want y'all to understand that uh as it relates to uh additional services that we will not be able to provide uh by virtue of our size and scope, say for instance SWAT or crisis negotiations or canine units. [0:42:52, 0:43:01]: traffic reconstruction, those services can and will be provided. I've had the opportunity to talk both with the chief of police in Henry County and the Sheriff of Henry County. [0:43:01, 0:43:16]: Um that the city is not going to incur any additional expenses. Uh, we would have to you know negotiate a memorandum of understanding we would be able to receive these services um at no additional cost to the city. 911 costs are offset by 911 fees that are paid. Um [0:43:16, 0:43:18]: uh through our residents. [0:43:18, 0:43:36]: And um so that's all all great information here. So July implementation is what we uh we're shooting for, July 1 in terms of the implementation timeframe, and that's very much doable. Uh we currently have some uh listening sessions, town hall meetings planned. I believe we have one on November 6th, the Merle Manors. [0:43:36, 0:43:40]: at ten AM in another uh virtual town hall November sixteenth to [0:43:40, 0:43:50]: Uh gather some input from the community regarding uh the desired scope of service. And we have enough time uh based on those listening sessions to make modifications based on the needs of the community. [0:43:50, 0:43:55]: In December, we would look at onboarding key members of our team to begin with the implementation. [0:43:55, 0:44:08]: Uh we would need to look in January and Henry County said that they would be prepared to move out of the facility uh as soon as January 1, should we need uh to do that so that we can begin looking at how do we need to uh uh you know. [0:44:09, 0:44:12]: renovate the building to meet the needs of the department. [0:44:12, 0:44:22]: Um around April we'd be recruiting our staff, our full complement of staff, and we'd be onboarding all those folks in June of 2022 for implementation on July 1st of 2022. [0:44:22, 0:44:25]: And the advantages of implementation in 2022. [0:44:26, 0:44:27]: I think um [0:44:27, 0:44:33]: um you know really most importantly is the citizens i believe are going to receive an enhanced level of service most immediately. [0:44:33, 0:44:53]: Uh the other thing is that because of Henry County's fiscal cycle, that um if they were to uh if we were to do this July 1, we would receive the full$1.9 million dollars uh in rollback for police services from the county plus the$500,000 in supplemental services. At that time, we too could begin collecting municipal court fines and revenues. [0:44:54, 0:44:59]: Um and um uh implementation half year in July twenty two. [0:44:59, 0:45:06]: Uh I believe I I I quated that it would cost us about$3.3 million because we're not funding for the entire year. [0:45:07, 0:45:08]: And um [0:45:08, 0:45:20]: I believe that during your budget retreat,$2.6 million from the general fund was allocated for the police budget. But then we get that$1.9 million from the county in July 1. [0:45:20, 0:45:29]: Uh, we essentially would not need to use that entire uh two point six million dollars. We roughly would probably need more realistically about uh one point three. [0:45:29, 0:45:35]: uh million dollars additional from the general fund to be able to offset those expenses. [0:45:35, 0:45:37]: For that half year of police service. [0:45:38, 0:45:43]: So that's down and dirty and it is a little longer. It did take me a little longer than what I had hoped for. [0:45:43, 0:45:49]: But um that's that's all I have and hopefully that uh that was some [0:45:50, 0:45:52]: Some questions here, so [0:45:53, 0:46:13]: Uh thanks a lot, Chief. Appreciate the brief. Very thorough brief in this aspect uh from all from the nuts and bolts uh into the planning aspect, the timeline, the funding aspect, and the half in reference to the initiation, initial date to start the department. And very thorough. Uh I know the council has several questions. One of the things that uh that uh [0:46:13, 0:46:33]: besides the financial aspect that way you laid it out and the funding and and the timeline, the fact that you you indicated that you had uh several, several calls of interested individuals, hopefully highly, highly qualified individuals, of course, and that's all we will need and a diverse police force uh to come to stop bridge. And I appreciate the fact that knowing that people individually [0:46:33, 0:46:46]: Individuals are very interested in coming to this way and serving in this community. So on that note, I'll uh I'll uh defer to any council members that have some questions, concerns uh in reference to your brief. Uh anybody lit up? [0:46:47, 0:46:48]: Anybody? [0:46:50, 0:46:54]: Any questions uh for okay, Mayor Potem, I'll see you first then. Go ahead, sir. [0:46:54, 0:46:58]: All right, thank you, Chief. I want to thank you for the excellent presentation. [0:46:58, 0:47:03]: Uh you you put a lot of work into it. Uh you went over it with the council. [0:47:04, 0:47:24]: And from the very first moment that we uh discussed your uh coming to the city of Stockbridge, you said something that captured my support for you, which was it's the Citizens Police Department. Doesn't belong to the city council, doesn't belong to you, it's the citizens police department. [0:47:23, 0:47:24]: Right. [0:47:24, 0:47:26]: And by doing so [0:47:26, 0:47:44]: You have ventured to say that our first town hall meeting in partnership with the citizens is November the 6th. And that way you will go out and talk with the citizens and be able to discuss the appropriate size force that they want to see in their police department, which is coming. [0:47:44, 0:47:46]: To the city of Stockbridge. [0:47:46, 0:47:48]: All of those are key factors. [0:47:49, 0:47:50]: In in moving forward with this. [0:47:51, 0:47:55]: And the thing that uh stood out most to me from your report. [0:47:55, 0:47:58]: That I see every day in the community. [0:47:58, 0:48:02]: І цна чист рум крим із інкріжд. [0:48:03, 0:48:06]: We have seen a number of homicides. [0:48:06, 0:48:10]: In the community, as well as an increase in aggravated assaults. [0:48:10, 0:48:12]: Гункрим, робріс. [0:48:12, 0:48:15]: And the time for the us to is to react. [0:48:15, 0:48:16]: uh is now. [0:48:17, 0:48:18]: I I did um [0:48:19, 0:48:22]: key in on a couple of items that you mentioned as well, which was [0:48:22, 0:48:24]: There will be no city tax. [0:48:24, 0:48:25]: in twenty twenty two. [0:48:26, 0:48:28]: And let me say this categorically. [0:48:28, 0:48:30]: For Elton Alexander. [0:48:30, 0:48:32]: There will be no tax in twenty twenty two. [0:48:33, 0:48:38]: And if it's up to me, I shall vote to use some of the fund balance to guarantee. [0:48:38, 0:48:41]: That there's no city tax in twenty twenty three either. [0:48:41, 0:48:42]: So [0:48:42, 0:48:48]: At that point with that we could eng assure the citizens that there will be no city tax in twenty twenty two. [0:48:48, 0:48:49]: And twenty twenty three. [0:48:50, 0:48:52]: Uh, going forward that would be [0:48:52, 0:48:55]: uh a hundred and five dollars a as you mentioned. [0:48:55, 0:49:00]: The key thing that you brought to this whole discussion in terms of the finances. [0:49:01, 0:49:02]: But I want to to question [0:49:02, 0:49:12]: And and I've and I and I asked I've stated that before, that I thought that we should use these ARPA funds to do what is basic, keep this community safe. [0:49:13, 0:49:16]: Using those funds would allow us to [0:49:16, 0:49:21]: Move forward with the police department uh with the least amount of expense. [0:49:21, 0:49:24]: And as you stated, the administration has already said [0:49:24, 0:49:26]: Is can be used to [0:49:26, 0:49:31]: Combat violent crime. We всі violent crime increasing all over Metro Atlanta. [0:49:32, 0:49:33]: So talk about [0:49:33, 0:49:36]: The use of those ARPA funds. [0:49:36, 0:49:39]: In terms of uh starting this police force. [0:49:39, 0:49:41]: Uh July first of twenty. [0:49:42, 0:49:43]: Twenty two. [0:49:46, 0:49:53]: Yeah, so as as most people are aware, three million dollars have been bonded for the implementation of the police department. And um [0:49:54, 0:50:06]: If if we were to use those ARPA funds, if you recall from the startup budget expenses, that that we could essentially use about four point five million dollars from ARPA funds to take care of all the capital expenses. [0:50:06, 0:50:13]: Um and those are those are high range estimates, so it could be lower than that to offset the quality implementation of the police department. [0:50:13, 0:50:30]: Um and as I believe I estimated we would end up with you know maybe needing one to one point five million dollars of the money that had been bonded so that bonded money could be used to offset interest expenses or or or or what have you. I did have the opportunity to speak to Mr. Wall. [0:50:31, 0:50:38]: And I believe that was his recommendation that if we didn't use the full bond amount, that those funds from that bond could be used to offset other expenses. [0:50:38, 0:50:43]: uh which would which would reduce um of course a liability to the city. [0:50:43, 0:50:57]: But again, uh if we decided to use the bond money for its intended purpose and not fully use the ARPA funds for that, we could potentially offset a lot of the salary uh costs of implementation of the department for the full year during 2023. [0:50:59, 0:51:01]: Outstanding, outstanding. I certainly [0:51:01, 0:51:04]: I appreciate that and uh thank you for the presentation. [0:51:05, 0:51:06]: Thank you. Thank you. [0:51:06, 0:51:10]: Any other council members having questions or comments uh for Mr. Tramor? [0:51:12, 0:51:13]: Ms. Gann, go ahead, please. [0:51:14, 0:51:15]: Thank you, Mayor. [0:51:16, 0:51:21]: Mr. Trammer, you mentioned the pot y you stated actually that we [0:51:22, 0:51:26]: that there's a possibility that we wouldn't have a tax in twenty twenty two. Is that correct? [0:51:27, 0:51:28]: That's correct. [0:51:29, 0:51:31]: Okay, and repeat how [0:51:32, 0:51:40]: It is that we wouldn't have a tax that's by using the ARPA funds, or is that because the ARPA funds would be for the startup cost of the police department? [0:51:40, 0:51:42]: Not necessarily the operating cost, correct? [0:51:44, 0:51:54]: No, the the ARPA funds could be used for salaries. So it could be used to pay for salaries for w we would have discretion in terms of how we decide to utilize those funds. Uh it's it's it's variable. [0:51:55, 0:52:01]: We could use it for capital expenses, we could use it to hire personnel. It's entirely up to us in terms of what we decide we want to do. [0:52:01, 0:52:07]: Um in in terms of the cost, it I estimated it's gonna be about three point three million dollars. [0:52:07, 0:52:12]: 'Cause we're only we're only talking about a half year. If we implement the police department July one. [0:52:12, 0:52:16]: It will cost us about three point three million dollars to be exact, three [0:52:16, 0:52:24]: Uh three million three hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars is the estimate to implement in the police department. I'm I'm gonna get my calculator out here, so bear with me just a second. [0:52:25, 0:52:39]: So three million three hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars and that would be for essentially seven months of the department because we have to onboard the complement of staff in June to get them trained and equipped and up to speed so that they can roll out July one. [0:52:39, 0:52:55]: So we have to estimate of that five point seven, five point eight million dollars that uh we basically need seven months of that. And so what we're gonna get too is we're gonna get the rollback July one. We're so we'll essentially be receiving um uh [0:52:55, 0:53:08]: $1,968,000 from the county in rollback, which leaves us with a deficit of$1,357,000. That would be what we would have to make up for. [0:53:09, 0:53:10]: Either through fund balance. [0:53:11, 0:53:15]: or through ARPA funding. So that would be the budget shortfall for the first year implementation. [0:53:16, 0:53:18]: Which we could do without the implementation of a tank. [0:53:19, 0:53:23]: Okay. So that's about that's a little bit over half a year. So [0:53:23, 0:53:23]: We're looking at [0:53:24, 0:53:27]: Five months worth. That's about five months. [0:53:27, 0:53:27]: Right. [0:53:28, 0:53:30]: So you what's the total cost for those five months again? [0:53:31, 0:53:38]: for for the seven months. The total cost for those seven months would be three million three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. Okay,'cause you're starting in June, I'm sorry. Right. [0:53:38, 0:53:41]: All right, for the seven month three million, what now? [0:53:41, 0:53:43]: Three million three hundred twenty five thousand dollars. [0:53:44, 0:53:48]: Three so for seven months, three mil three hundred and twenty five thousand. [0:53:48, 0:53:50]: And you're saying that [0:53:51, 0:53:59]: Are you aware? Well, you know what, Mayor, do did the financial advisor get notice of tonight's meeting at all to be present? [0:54:00, 0:54:01]: Cause he's the numbers guy. [0:54:02, 0:54:17]: Right. No, he's he's actually out of town, but he's not gonna be present tonight. If we need to bring him in, we can get him at the next meeting. But he's he's at he's actually out of out of town, he's in Wyoming. Well that'll be good if we could have him. So we'll know exactly what the predictions are because I'm looking here. [0:54:18, 0:54:20]: And if if seven months is at three mil [0:54:21, 0:54:27]: Three point three, I'm sorry, three hundred three, three point three mil to five for seven months. [0:54:28, 0:54:33]: And that's what the startups, and I love the fact that the APRA funds are taking care of a lot of that. Um [0:54:34, 0:54:35]: However [0:54:36, 0:54:45]: When you look at the projections that they made from the last minute from the from the email that we received, and that's before the RPA five. [0:54:46, 0:54:52]: It showed a and that was with the three point five mil and the three percent interest increase. [0:54:53, 0:54:58]: It continued to show a constant decrease in our fund balance by 2024. [0:54:59, 0:55:03]: that balance was down by half to eleven months worth, right? [0:55:03, 0:55:10]: Well, if we do what Mayor Pro Tem Alexander stated, then it will be even less than that. [0:55:11, 0:55:14]: So we have comments here where [0:55:15, 0:55:22]: Their their court revenues are projected at 750 and not that you know Mr. Uh Chief Tramor. [0:55:22, 0:55:29]: is here and I understand you know the I wouldn't consider the revenue. I've always stated that. You know, these are fines. [0:55:29, 0:55:30]: Um [0:55:30, 0:55:33]: But I hope our goal is not to go around finding people. [0:55:33, 0:55:36]: And that's basically gonna cover the operation costs of our courtroom. [0:55:37, 0:55:41]: And so we still are in the hole. [0:55:41, 0:55:49]: And we still are then we're saying, okay, so we may not tax. Well, somebody's getting taxed because we're depleting all our funds if we don't. [0:55:50, 0:55:54]: Which one is it gonna be? We're either gonna deplete our fund balance even faster. [0:55:55, 0:55:56]: Or [0:55:57, 0:55:58]: We're going to [0:55:59, 0:56:01]: Um implement attacks. [0:56:02, 0:56:05]: I say that we still, you know. [0:56:07, 0:56:11]: Mayor Bra Tim says it's the citizens police. [0:56:11, 0:56:16]: If it's the citizens police, then the citizens should have had a say before we got to this point. [0:56:17, 0:56:20]: They didn't get that right. They didn't get that say. [0:56:22, 0:56:22]: And so [0:56:23, 0:56:29]: My concern again is our financials. It sounds great. [0:56:29, 0:56:33]: But the numbers have already gone up a million dollars, over a million dollars. [0:56:33, 0:56:41]: And I would like to see, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people in the community want community policing. That's what we've been talking about this entire time. [0:56:41, 0:56:52]: So at the very low, it's at five mil. But if you look at that average, I believe, Chief Tramor, you're saying that we're looking at a total amount about 6.9 mil. [0:56:53, 0:57:10]: Operating costs. That's about seven million dollars a year in operating costs. That's too a little bit more than it's about two mils more projected than what we came up with during the feasibility study. Which was kind of accurate. What number? I'm I'm sorry, Councilwoman. What number are you referring to that six million? [0:57:10, 0:57:11]: It was the [0:57:12, 0:57:14]: You gave a number of [0:57:14, 0:57:17]: So if the the bottom number was at five. [0:57:18, 0:57:21]: Right. And that was the l the smallest amount, the model. [0:57:22, 0:57:29]: Right. So you're talking about on the very high end of that scale. Is that is that what you were talking about? No, I'm talking about the mid mid range. [0:57:29, 0:57:31]: Yeah, six point nine million. [0:57:32, 0:57:35]: Yeah, that would be for six that'd be for seventy one employees. That would be for [0:57:36, 0:57:40]: 62 full-time sworn and nine civilian staff or 71 full-time employees. [0:57:41, 0:57:46]: Okay, based off of the chart and the average. So what's the middle range, the forty five employees? [0:57:46, 0:57:48]: So forty five uh well [0:57:48, 0:57:56]: One of the things I don't though fo we could get by with forty five, I believe that we'd be cutting ourselves too sh too short and it would be doing a disservice. So the estimation [0:57:57, 0:58:00]: Then I the recommendation I went with was at a minimum the forty nine employees. [0:58:01, 0:58:06]: Okay. So based on the forty nine employees, if we were to go with that model and we were to [0:58:06, 0:58:15]: you know, build upon that should that be necessary or or or should that be desired by the community. At the low end it's five point four on the high end it's five point eight. [0:58:16, 0:58:22]: Okay. So five po for the middle one, the forty the the middle one's almost five point seven. [0:58:23, 0:58:34]: Okay. Which is right around where the feasibility study is at 5.8. So it's not in the six range. And that that has to do with the operational cost. That's right. Right. Okay. Perfect. [0:58:35, 0:58:38]: So we're looking here still at our numbers. [0:58:38, 0:58:45]: And whether we take it from fund balance or whether we do the tax and implement the tax, which is going to happen. [0:58:45, 0:58:46]: Right. [0:58:46, 0:58:52]: We can say when or not, or it's not gonna be, but I'm looking here at the projections. [0:58:52, 0:59:00]: I would like Mr. Wall to come in and give us those projections based off of this email that we received on July 3rd, 2021. [0:59:02, 0:59:05]: I mean it it's right here. You've had an opportunity to read'em. [0:59:07, 0:59:07]: The one [0:59:08, 0:59:10]: Where they said that, you know [0:59:11, 0:59:14]: Assuming that everything comes back up and we don't hit the recession. [0:59:15, 0:59:18]: Same in twenty three and a five percent increase in twenty four. [0:59:19, 0:59:21]: Um, in regards to sales tax collections. [0:59:22, 0:59:24]: And if everything is going up. [0:59:24, 0:59:34]: Then our court revenues are projected around 750,000. Our property taxes will increase by 3% each year. Our city extra millage rate will be 3.5 mils. [0:59:34, 0:59:42]: And quite frankly, I don't care about that rollback getting because we have we we're providing those services, but we're still in the hole. [0:59:43, 0:59:44]: Sounds good. [0:59:46, 0:59:47]: But let's talk numbers. [0:59:48, 0:59:51]: Yeah, if I if I and and to the extent that that um [0:59:52, 0:59:57]: You all would like I did have the opportunity to speak with Mr. Wall regarding those projections that you were referring to. [0:59:57, 1:00:05]: And there were some unknown variables that existed when he prepared those projections. He forwarded me over that and uh [1:00:05, 1:00:07]: We were able to recalculate that and [1:00:07, 1:00:12]: And I believe that you'll see that the figures are different. I have that and prepared to show that to you if you would like to see that. [1:00:12, 1:00:18]: at the present moment and you can see how that's gonna play out based upon on uh the information that we know. [1:00:18, 1:00:24]: I would. I would love that. But on in addition to that, I would love to be able to speak to Mr. Wall about that. [1:00:25, 1:00:25]: Open. [1:00:25, 1:00:45]: Well, I'll tell you what we'll do. Ms. Wall's not here tonight. We'll make a point to get him at our next meeting, which is November eighth. In this aspect, he'll be back in town and uh we can uh plan to have him for that point. But if Mr. Chief Cramer, if you want to go forward with additional standby, Mr. Blount, you want to go forward with that, that that'd be fine if that's what you want to do to to to satisfy. [1:00:45, 1:00:48]: uh Miss Gantt's uh inquiry here. [1:00:51, 1:00:55]: Sure. So if you give me just a moment here. Mayor, mayor, mayor, if you will. [1:00:55, 1:01:05]: All right, while he's looking for that, go ahead. No, the reason I'm saying it because if he gives up if he gives us a presentation pertaining to what Mr. Wall gave him, we have not we don't have a chance to question Mr. Wall. [1:01:05, 1:01:09]: about numbers that now would be new numbers presented to us. So what's the point? [1:01:09, 1:01:11]: Well, I'll play it on Mr. Wall, that's fine. [1:01:11, 1:01:31]: I was trying to adhere to what Ms. Gann asked for, trying to make sure to satisfy her requirement. But No, I'll wait on Mr. Wall. All right, fine. Ms. Chief, no no no need. We'll we'll deal with this uh in the next meeting. Uh Miss Barber, go ahead, please. Uh m Mayor, you you told me to hold on. Oh well I thought that's what you wanted to talk about. No, no [1:01:31, 1:01:41]: No, no, I'm just I'm only I'm only commenting on on the another presentation without the person, you know. All right, Ms. Blount. Stand by Ms. Barber. Go away, Mr. Blount. [1:01:41, 1:01:42]: Uh [1:01:42, 1:01:51]: First of all, before I get into questioning uh what we just saw, uh city attorney, because uh we was told just [1:01:51, 1:01:55]: Three three weeks, uh I mean the last meeting and the meeting before that. [1:01:55, 1:02:00]: That to start a police department, we were talking about funds uh opera funds being used. [1:02:01, 1:02:03]: And established police departments. [1:02:03, 1:02:15]: that they can bring those in because they have the criteria already established to use those funds. Are you able to now use those funds, uh city attorney, if you don't already have an established police department? [1:02:18, 1:02:24]: Council member, I I'm not I mean, if Quentin wants to weigh in as well, I I don't know off the top of my head. I'm happy to look at that, but I just [1:02:25, 1:02:30]: Well what to to me that's important right now because we've been told [1:02:31, 1:02:43]: from several meetings that these criteria from already established police department and that they couldn't be used to start up a police department. But when any sorry something else, you get some feedback. [1:02:44, 1:02:53]: So when we bring in and say that we want to use it to start up a police department, no criteria have ever been presented to us in that effect. [1:02:53, 1:02:57]: And so this is why I would like must I would prefer Mr. Walls to be here. [1:02:57, 1:03:00]: To let us know that because [1:03:00, 1:03:11]: From my understanding, from what we know, that you can't start a police department. The criteria for those funds were implemented to apply for those were already established police departments. [1:03:11, 1:03:16]: So that's uh if if our city attorneys can get that information for us, I appreciate it. [1:03:17, 1:03:19]: But on the lower end. [1:03:20, 1:03:22]: Uh I'm getting some feedback from [1:03:24, 1:03:25]: On the lower end. [1:03:25, 1:03:27]: For what's been presented to us. [1:03:28, 1:03:39]: Because on the amount of employees that we're talking about, and and we can say that we're talking about seven months, but if we're talking about establishing the police department, I would like to see the projection for a year. [1:03:39, 1:03:44]: Because uh a police department from now on would be more than seven months. [1:03:45, 1:03:52]: We would like the citizens to know what a year would be. And on the lower end, you're talking almost eight billion dollars because here's the thing. [1:03:53, 1:03:56]: The numbers for officers does not include. [1:03:56, 1:04:14]: in in those numbers does not include civilians. And when you do include civilians as special services, we're talking about almost eight million dollars. And we haven't even talked about when you're talking about a 43,000 dollar salary, we haven't even talked about what the city's portion would be when it comes to benefits. [1:04:14, 1:04:22]: So you're talking about a forty-three thousand dollar salary that can go up twenty uh at least about twenty-five thousand dollars for business. [1:04:22, 1:04:34]: So we we're almost talking apple and orange. That's why I wish our financial advisor was here because we can't sit here and say a forty-three thousand dollar range on the lower end and we're talking about. [1:04:34, 1:04:36]: Uh employees need it. [1:04:36, 1:04:45]: And civilian employees need it. And we're right now, we're almost on the lower end. We're almost talking about annual eight million dollars, and we haven't even talked about benefits. [1:04:47, 1:04:48]: And so when we [1:04:48, 1:04:59]: Well, let's take let's look at this. We're talking about now almost, we're talking about now almost uh uh uh th uh six-eighths of our budget right now. [1:04:59, 1:05:05]: When you talk about employees, the police implementation and salaries, and we haven't talked about benefits. [1:05:05, 1:05:10]: Now is does that forty three thousand dollars include benefits, uh Ms. Strainer? [1:05:12, 1:05:18]: So all those projections, the final numbers include personnel services benefits. I was able to work with human resources and equate the cost of that. [1:05:19, 1:05:39]: I don't know where you're getting the eight million dollars from for that service for 49 sworn officers and nine civilian employees. The mid-range cost is about five point seven million dollars. When you when you talked about the special services, you talked about one point eight one point eight plus million dollars. When you talked about the other services other than the sworn officers on the lower end. [1:05:39, 1:05:41]: in for the officers you talked about six [1:05:41, 1:05:47]: uh six point five, I think it was something million, something like that. I'm I'm going off the numbers you present. [1:05:48, 1:06:01]: So you're talking about the high end of the the scale. All the numbers. No, no, the numbers you I'm sorry, that's trying to the numbers you presented. I'm talking about the lower end. These are on the lower ends what you presented to us. When you talk about the number officers. [1:06:01, 1:06:11]: the range of salaries and then you're talking about adding special services and this and in a lot of those areas and it tells because you look at the numbers, it didn't include civilian. [1:06:11, 1:06:20]: employees and then i'm and i'm pretty sure that forty three thousand dollars didn't include include um benefit [1:06:21, 1:06:28]: They include benefits, sir. If you would like me, I can pull the slide up. The benefits are broken down actually as a separate line item if you'd like me to go. [1:06:28, 1:06:39]: So then then we're talking about then we're talking about the the the we're talking about the cost of an officer starting in the city of Stockbridge then being about thirty, uh you're talking about thirty-two thousand dollars. [1:06:40, 1:06:40]: No sir. [1:06:41, 1:06:45]: So you take 43,000, add roughly 25% of that. That would be the total cost of that office. [1:06:47, 1:06:49]: I'm sorry, I don't hear you, Mr. Emissar. [1:06:49, 1:07:09]: If if you were to take whatever the salary is, add 25% to that. That's the cost of the office. And that was equated in the budget. So the personnel services costs included all 58 employees for that last projection there. So for 58 employees with benefits. [1:07:09, 1:07:22]: Taking into account overtime costs and operating costs. So everything accounted for is between 5.4 to 5.8 close to$5.9 million based on that staffing model. [1:07:22, 1:07:30]: So when you take the so when you take the the twenty five percent from the forty three thousand, so you're looking at about uh roughly um [1:07:30, 1:07:32]: Uh, ten thousand dollars. [1:07:33, 1:07:39]: So you're saying that we're looking at hiring offices at thirty three thousand with benefits forty three thousand. Is that what you're saying? [1:07:41, 1:07:42]: Yeah. [1:07:42, 1:07:53]: The the the numbers that you saw in terms of salary there, that's what the officer salary is gonna be. So you would add twenty-five percent to that. That's gonna give you the total cost for that officer inclusive of benefits. [1:07:54, 1:08:11]: So that$43,000 with 25% added to it is going to be about$53,750, and your math was about right, around$10,000 extra when you account for benefits for that officer. And all those numbers have been taken into consideration and factored in that overall budget. [1:08:11, 1:08:15]: But when we looked at what I'm saying in the presentation you gave us. [1:08:16, 1:08:20]: The forty three thousand dollars did not it wasn't inclusive of the ten thousand. [1:08:21, 1:08:26]: And so when you include the ten thousand, I'm I'm just going by the the presentation we just got. [1:08:26, 1:08:32]: It didn't include the$10,000. And when you include the$10,000 along with special services, [1:08:32, 1:08:37]: Look at look at what was presented to us. We're looking at almost eight million dollars. [1:08:38, 1:08:40]: Annually, I'm not talking about the seven months. [1:08:41, 1:08:45]: A police department is not for seven months, it's for a year. And then we'll still [1:08:45, 1:08:58]: in in in the uh was still in in the in the point of order point of order point of argumentative the chief is presenting argumentative i asked the council but mayor can you can you i'm i'm i'm sitting here argumentative [1:09:01, 1:09:03]: Mayor, you gotta unmute mute. You gotta unmute, Mayor. [1:09:05, 1:09:09]: I'm sorry about that. Go ahead, Mr. Blount. Mayor Potem, let him finish his comments, please. [1:09:10, 1:09:10]: Go ahead. [1:09:11, 1:09:21]: What I'm saying, so you're going from$43,000 per person now to$53,000 per person because you're saying now we add to 25%, roughly$10,000. [1:09:21, 1:09:26]: Now these now this is on the lower end on your chart. [1:09:26, 1:09:34]: Of employees. And when you talk about the lower end, coupled with um the special services that are needed. [1:09:35, 1:09:42]: And and right now, I can't even ask our city attorneys, are we gonna be able to use APRA fund? Because we was told that we couldn't. [1:09:42, 1:09:55]: But that still with the presentation you gave us is almost eight million doll annually. I'm not talking about the seven months. I just want to make sure that that's this is why we needed our financial advisor on here to crunch numbers for us. [1:09:56, 1:10:16]: That this doesn't become a political thing. It doesn't come become politicians and all of this. It would be something direct to the citizens that would crunch numbers, have crunch numbers that we paid for, that we would actually get the actual numbers because what is being said and what is being calculated are two different things. [1:10:16, 1:10:16]: Nice. [1:10:19, 1:10:29]: When we talk about$43,000, now we're talking about$53,000 because we didn't take account that$10 million. Why aren't we, why are we rushing this presentation? [1:10:29, 1:10:47]: makes no sense to me when we should have done this presentation with our financial advisor on here, with our attorneys with the full knowledge of what we funds we can use. Why are we rushing this presentation? Blows my mind because questions right now cannot be answered. [1:10:49, 1:10:54]: Well Mr. Blount, if I if I if I could just clarify for just a moment here, sir, and what I would like to do. [1:10:55, 1:11:01]: is um I I would like to just refer back to the slide that I think you were you were speaking of. [1:11:01, 1:11:04]: And um I don't know if you can you can see. [1:11:05, 1:11:06]: We can see it. Can you see the screen? [1:11:08, 1:11:15]: So so sir, if you if you look at these figures here, the the regular salary, so if you were to take the the [1:11:15, 1:11:22]: The numbers that you saw there that forty-three thousand, and you were to calculate the salaries for all fifty-eight employees based on where they fall on the scale. [1:11:23, 1:11:26]: Their their their base salaries would be about$3.4 million. [1:11:27, 1:11:47]: We've also got in the model some part-time employees reporting things along those lines. Uh overtime is about two point five percent of the overall budget. So overtime's factored there. And this is where the employer provided benefits come in. So that's that additional ten thousand dollars that you're talking about. That would be that would be it's already factored for. And you pull the operating costs are roughly twenty percent. [1:11:47, 1:12:00]: percent of the overall cost of the budget. So that's where these numbers are calculated. There's nothing that's not accounted for, Councilman. Councilman, let me follow up with this. Can you pull the one up with the base salaries? [1:12:01, 1:12:09]: No, it's scenario number two and not number three. You told me you prefer not a point of order. Any point of order. [1:12:10, 1:12:13]: Miss Gan is not recognized and you allow this to go on. [1:12:15, 1:12:18]: I've got it. Go ahead. [1:12:18, 1:12:19]: Yeah. [1:12:19, 1:12:24]: What I'm asking Mr. Trenari number two. What I'm asking you, Chief Tramer. [1:12:25, 1:12:28]: Yeah. If you would pull up the slide that shows [1:12:28, 1:12:35]: the base salary range from the from the low to the mid to the higher on the on the one that you recommend. [1:12:38, 1:12:43]: Okay, so this is the are you talking about this slide here, Councilman Blount with the base salary for the police officer? [1:12:43, 1:12:47]: What what is the what is the what is the uh minimum on that? [1:12:47, 1:12:49]: The men was forty three thousand one fifty nine. [1:12:50, 1:13:10]: And down now with that with that cost, that's not calculated with the ten thousand dollars that you said, which is is actually more when we talk about benefits for this uh in the city of Stockbridge. Benefits for each employee is more than$10,000, but let's say$10,000. So that number goes to$53,000 per person, but you [1:13:10, 1:13:14]: You said, but you said that in the in the range and I'm I'm [1:13:15, 1:13:17]: See trying, but trust me, I'm not trying to put your I'm not [1:13:18, 1:13:24]: Forgive me, I'm not putting you on trial. I'm only trying to get numbers on the decision the citizens are about to make. [1:13:25, 1:13:31]: pertaining to this police department and be open and and and and uh uh straightforward with what we're actually doing. [1:13:31, 1:13:40]: Those numbers are not adding up. And this is why we needed our financial advisor here because that that minimum of forty-three thousand dollars. [1:13:41, 1:13:50]: is really a minimum of fifty-three thousand dollars, but it's gonna be more than that because we pay more than that per employee for benefits and you're talking about and you're talking about [1:13:51, 1:13:55]: Uh the number of employees for that, those numbers crunched. [1:13:55, 1:14:02]: Is gonna come up to with with the special services, those numbers are gonna bring us to almost eight million dollars. [1:14:02, 1:14:03]: Trust me on that. [1:14:04, 1:14:18]: Now, Mr. Blount, if you were to looking at this scenario here, sir, so this$3.4 million, let's just say we're hiring one officer. That officer, let's just say using your number is$43,000. That would be the number that would go right there for regular employee salaries. [1:14:19, 1:14:34]: The$10,000 would be the number where you see$857,000, that would be the$10,000. So if you were to add the$43 plus 10, you're going to get the overall projected budget. So the point that I'm trying to make is that what you're saying was already accounted for in these numbers. [1:14:34, 1:14:54]: But those, but I'm saying, but uh Chief Tramer, those numbers right there are based on are based on an average that's not true. That's not okay. Have you gotten with HR and found out what the average, what is the cost of the benefits per employee? And those are the numbers we crunch. [1:14:54, 1:15:00]: Yes, not the ones that speculative, but the actual numbers. And those aren't the actual numbers. [1:15:01, 1:15:03]: Sir, I have gotten the actual numbers, with all due respect. [1:15:04, 1:15:13]: And that's what we need is the actual numbers. Those aren't the actual numbers on the amount of employees. They're not the actual numbers, I'm telling you now. [1:15:13, 1:15:33]: Well hold on, Miss Gantt. Not and not you're not done at your turn just yet. What I want to tell you uh right now, everybody, is that I've talked to Mr. Wall. Mr. Wall is out of the state. He's visiting his family, his daughter, matter of fact, and celebrating her birthday. That is why he's not here. I made the decision not to bring him in here tonight simply because of that. [1:15:33, 1:15:40]: I mentioned several times already tonight that we'll make sure he's here on November eighth. We'll go down this road if we need to go down this road. [1:15:41, 1:15:45]: He's not gonna be he's not available. Okay. On that note to you. [1:15:46, 1:15:50]: To you and not Chief Chief Train thank you, Chief Chamber, anyway. Uh but to you, Mayor. [1:15:51, 1:15:52]: If we're not able [1:15:53, 1:16:13]: To crunch numbers with Mr. Walls and the numbers that are being presented to us, why are we doing a presentation tonight? This is the part where I say it gets too political for me because this presentation did not have to happen tonight, but it is, and now it gets all convoluted because we can't get. [1:16:13, 1:16:25]: We can't get the questions answered we need. And see, this is why, because you're going to continue to get uh uh uh this intrusion from other council members because we are in a political season. [1:16:26, 1:16:35]: Right now, uh uh uh uh uh uh election season. And this meeting should not have happened without the proper people in place to answer the questions. [1:16:35, 1:16:37]: This tonight should not have happened. [1:16:37, 1:16:51]: I'm sorry I started to feel that way, but it's it's too late. He's he he won't be here. He's not going to be here. We'll do this if we need to have him come forward. Once again, November 8th is the time to set him up for that. On that note, uh I'd like to go to Miss Barber. Miss Barber, go ahead, please. [1:16:56, 1:16:58]: Thank you, Mayor. And thank you, Chief Tramer. [1:16:59, 1:16:59]: Um [1:17:00, 1:17:03]: I'll I'll admit I was a bit concerned with [1:17:04, 1:17:06]: Our ability to sustain [1:17:06, 1:17:09]: Um a police department, however. [1:17:09, 1:17:11]: This presentation that [1:17:11, 1:17:13]: Tief Tramer has provided his [1:17:13, 1:17:14]: Very thorough. [1:17:15, 1:17:19]: Very thorough. I've been saying let's start slow and small. [1:17:20, 1:17:22]: But this gives me a different perspective. [1:17:23, 1:17:24]: We can actually [1:17:25, 1:17:25]: Fun in. [1:17:26, 1:17:29]: Full fun functional police department. [1:17:29, 1:17:30]: Next year. [1:17:31, 1:17:34]: And not have to impose a tax. [1:17:35, 1:17:42]: One of the things that we have not emphasized is other funding sources that we can use. [1:17:43, 1:17:46]: Not only for startup costs. [1:17:46, 1:17:47]: But to help. [1:17:47, 1:17:48]: Um [1:17:48, 1:17:49]: With [1:17:49, 1:17:50]: Operating cost. [1:17:50, 1:17:53]: Um for the next couple of years. [1:17:54, 1:18:05]: Is it true, Chief Tramor, that the ARPA funding that you mentioned, we're able to use that through the end of December 2024? [1:18:06, 1:18:21]: Yeah, as assuming we're eligible for that, it can be used to December thirty first of twenty twenty four. And the thing is, is that I think that what we have to look at is is that we show there's a nexus between what the city's doing to reduce crime for the pandemic. [1:18:21, 1:18:31]: Now, whether that money is going to Henry County or it's going to a newly established police department that's addressing these issues, I think that we just have to show a nexus that these issues are being addressed. [1:18:32, 1:18:39]: And I I I you're not gonna find a lot of case examples where you're having a startup department because a lot of these things are already new to begin with. [1:18:39, 1:18:52]: And um I'm not an attorney. Those things can be verified, but I think that whether you're paying Henry County or you're starting a new police department, it seems to me it should be something that we would be able to utilize those funds for, just based on what I've been seeing across the industry. [1:18:53, 1:19:01]: Awesome. Um I have participated on a couple of the calls that GMA have provided with information on. [1:19:01, 1:19:04]: The criteria for ARPA funding. [1:19:04, 1:19:09]: And they did mention um about the legislation that President Biden. [1:19:10, 1:19:10]: Had approved. [1:19:11, 1:19:16]: Um so ARPA funding can be used for certain things such as communication equipment. [1:19:17, 1:19:20]: And so forth. Now, other than ARPA funding. [1:19:20, 1:19:24]: I know that there are some state and maybe even some federal grants. [1:19:24, 1:19:27]: That can be used for um [1:19:27, 1:19:31]: Equipment that police officers need, such as bulletproof webs. [1:19:32, 1:19:33]: Those sorts of things. [1:19:34, 1:19:34]: Um [1:19:35, 1:19:38]: Are you aware of any of those grants? [1:19:40, 1:19:48]: Yes, ma'am. My previous previous agency at Georgia Tech, we were able to offset expenses for ballistic vests through grant funding through the National Institute of Justice that provided those. [1:19:48, 1:19:57]: We able to secure grant funding to pay for body worn cameras. Um there's there's there's hundreds, uh literally hundreds of grants that are available out there. [1:19:57, 1:19:58]: Um [1:19:59, 1:20:04]: Mm-hmm. They you just have to research them and you have to you have to apply for them and you have to adhere to the requirements. [1:20:05, 1:20:25]: those grants. I mean there's there's a lot of talk now about um um providing funding specifically for community oriented policing like we saw back in the 90s so there may be additional funding for that in the future uh so there's a lot of lot of different sources out there that I know the feasibility study didn't address but I can assure you this that as I said before this is not my department [1:20:24, 1:20:35]: department and I want to be a good steward too of the resources that the city has. And so we're going to do everything we can in our power to offset those expenses such that they don't become a burden for members of our community. [1:20:35, 1:20:42]: Awesome. Thank you. Thank you very much. If you don't mind, can you remove your slide so I can actually see? [1:20:43, 1:20:45]: Everybody's face is on here. [1:20:46, 1:20:57]: So I wanted to also ask you, Chief Tramer, did you also include a position for someone specifically to go after those grants? [1:21:00, 1:21:20]: Um, I d I did not. I know that we had been discussing, as a matter of fact, Mr. Wiggins and I were discussing this the other day uh because there's grant funding that exists not just for the police department but citywide. And so it may be worthwhile because I believe that we pay dividends to have a specialist that deals with grant funding to be able to secure us additional sources of income. I know we're using the contract. [1:21:20, 1:21:26]: I don't think that really worked to our advantage, but you see a lot of organizations that do have specialists. [1:21:26, 1:21:34]: uh with experience in grants that they bring on board that that are able to uh provide a lot of additional uh revenue streams for the city. [1:21:35, 1:21:38]: Awesome. Awesome. One last question. So um [1:21:40, 1:21:50]: I am excited and I know uh several people that I've spoken with are excited about your upcoming listening sessions. Um, so thank you for. [1:21:50, 1:21:56]: scheduling those, um, I think it's important that we get out in the community and start sharing. [1:21:56, 1:22:05]: All of this information. And I'm sure the citizens will be quite happy to know that there are other funding sources that can be used. [1:22:05, 1:22:10]: to help with the startup cost of this police department. So thank you very much for your presentation, sir. [1:22:11, 1:22:13]: Councilman Thomas, go ahead, please. [1:22:14, 1:22:19]: Thank you, May. And and Mayor, I would encourage you to take control of this meeting, if you will. [1:22:20, 1:22:20]: Um [1:22:22, 1:22:25]: Mr. Trama, I I just want to thank you for this presentation. [1:22:26, 1:22:30]: And and just let me say that for me, this is not political. [1:22:30, 1:22:32]: Um we have [1:22:32, 1:22:36]: started the Stockbridge Police Department. That's a fact. [1:22:37, 1:22:38]: Mago [1:22:39, 1:22:40]: Is to ensure [1:22:41, 1:22:42]: That we have public safety. [1:22:43, 1:22:45]: In the city of Starkbridge. [1:22:45, 1:22:47]: For our neighborhoods, for our citizens. [1:22:48, 1:22:51]: And for the businesses that operate here in the city of Stockbridge. [1:22:52, 1:22:56]: That is our goal. That is my goal. Let me say that from the beginning. [1:22:56, 1:23:06]: I I do want to thank you for your presentation. I want to thank you for meeting with me to give me the opportunity to ask. [1:23:06, 1:23:26]: A lot of questions, many of the questions that was asked here tonight. And I know for a fact that you reached out to every council member to give them the opportunity to get a better understanding of this path forward. And some of them chose not to. And if you're talking political, then they want to choose this opportunity to. [1:23:26, 1:23:36]: you know cbtv but just let me say chief i i just thank you for this presentation now again i thank you for um allowing me to ask those questions [1:23:37, 1:23:39]: I think your presentation was thorough. [1:23:39, 1:23:44]: Um, I read it several times. I met with you. I heard you tonight. [1:23:44, 1:23:47]: I think you laid it out perfectly. [1:23:47, 1:23:51]: Um I know that you know you you met with HR, you stated that. [1:23:52, 1:23:55]: Uh you did your due diligence. You met with HR. [1:23:55, 1:23:57]: You had a conversation with Mr. Walls? [1:23:58, 1:24:01]: I know that you have read the um opera uh um [1:24:01, 1:24:02]: The document. [1:24:03, 1:24:08]: You have read the uh uh feasibility study, you have done your homework. [1:24:08, 1:24:24]: And now you are laying this out. And I think it was thorough. And you laid it out perfectly. So I I just want to thank you. And I know Mr. Night is probably watching. And I just wanna thank him for uh bringing you forward. It is clear uh why he brought you forward. [1:24:25, 1:24:45]: Uh you were his choice. I want to commend this counsel for confirming you. Uh, and I see why now, because uh you have done your due diligence. You have done your homework, and this presentation is just without without question for me. Uh, I think you have indicated all scenarios. Uh, [1:24:44, 1:24:57]: We also met with the Henry County Tax Commissioner, and we have never said that it would not be a tax, but I think what you're saying is that the tax may be a little further down the road. [1:24:57, 1:25:17]: But it but at any point, you know, um the police department is going forward. And and I think the citizen, from what I understand, citizens are on board with the police Stockbridge Police Department. Yes, there are some some some concerns about tax. And I think uh the Henry County Tax Commissioner laid that out. You even mentioned that tonight. [1:25:17, 1:25:23]: in in your presentation what that would look like. So I I don't see what the [1:25:23, 1:25:24]: Um [1:25:25, 1:25:30]: I I I don't see what the controversy is tonight. I don't see any um [1:25:30, 1:25:35]: uh um you know questions uh and I you know and I'm I'm just [1:25:36, 1:25:56]: I'm just a little saddened by the confrontation and the drill because I think you came forward tonight. And I know again, you tried to meet with everyone before this presentation to give everyone an opportunity to ask the question. As I did, I met with you and I asked a million of questions. [1:25:56, 1:26:01]: And you were able to answer all of those. So I'm just saying, you know. [1:26:03, 1:26:15]: We just need to be about moving the city forward. It is all about protecting our citizens. It's all about protecting these business owners that's coming in. [1:26:16, 1:26:23]: We have made it clear that yes, there will be some form of attack. So I'm just saying we as an elected body. [1:26:24, 1:26:29]: This is the lane that we should be in. But what I'm hearing tonight is something totally different. [1:26:30, 1:26:36]: You know, the fighting against trying to protect our citizens, fighting against trying to protect the business owners. [1:26:36, 1:26:43]: So I I don't understand this. So Chief, again, just let me just say thank you. [1:26:43, 1:26:50]: You have done your homework. I know this because you and I talked about the research, and it's obvious. [1:26:51, 1:26:57]: It is obvious that you've done all your homework and you have laid out a tremendous plan here tonight. [1:26:57, 1:26:59]: And this is the path forward. [1:26:59, 1:27:01]: Anyone that's watching [1:27:02, 1:27:16]: Anyone who is watching this program tonight and this meeting tonight, they can see the path forward. And they can also see based on the tax commissioner uh report and your report. [1:27:16, 1:27:19]: Да іф и [1:27:19, 1:27:22]: There is a tax, it will be minimum. [1:27:23, 1:27:41]: And as we go forward in years to come, we're going to continue to work this out to make sure that that tax is always minimum back to our citizen. But without a doubt, we have to go forward. I do not see how we cannot. [1:27:42, 1:27:45]: I do not see how we cannot provide. [1:27:46, 1:27:59]: public safety here in the city of Styrid. I don't see that. So Chief, I just want to thank you. Mr. Knight, I want to thank you. I know you're watching. I want to thank you for bringing your candidate forward. [1:28:00, 1:28:10]: This is your candidate and the city council confirmed your choice. So I just want to thank you for this total process and future forward for the city of Styrid. Thank you. [1:28:11, 1:28:27]: I appreciate it. Everybody on the council has spoken and had a extended time on speaking. So we're going to move on to the next subject. Thank you, Mr. Trayman, for your chief trainer, for your presentation. We'll deal with this at our next meeting. Okay. Further, if we need to do so. I'll move on to a public hearing. [1:28:28, 1:28:48]: Council consideration approved 2021 to 2026 short-term work program, capital improvement element, STWP CIE annual update. At the August 31st, 2021 City Council meeting, the mayor and council approved the transmit meet the STM, excuse me, STWP CIE document. [1:28:48, 1:28:55]: to the Georgia Department of Community Affairs and Atlanta Regional Commission for review, presented by Ms. Johnson, please. [1:28:56, 1:29:05]: Good evening, Mayor, Council members, and residents. So, yes, the short-term work program and the capital improvements element are [1:29:05, 1:29:17]: Programs are things that we have to do on an annual basis in order to maintain our qualified local government status. And that means that we have to meet the minimum standards via the state. [1:29:18, 1:29:38]: So the document that you all reviewed and uh moved forward was transmitting to the Atlanta Regional Commission and Department of Community Affairs. That was in August. They have reviewed it, they don't have any issues and have approved it on their side. And we are just formally making the approval here tonight. [1:29:38, 1:29:42]: Once the approval is complete, we will submit the resolution with the mayor's signature. [1:29:43, 1:30:02]: to the state and we will get a finalized statement that we meet our current our our local state requirements for the city of Stockbridge and we'll do this again on an annual basis as those projects on the list are completed so that we can give those updates. [1:30:02, 1:30:05]: And if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer. [1:30:05, 1:30:08]: Okay, good. Council, any questions for Ms. Johnson at all? [1:30:09, 1:30:11]: [5412.1, 5416.1]: I just want uh all of these situations I like to take advantage of this time. [1:30:16, 1:30:22]: Short-term work program. Half of the people watching have n most of the people watching have no idea what it is. [1:30:22, 1:30:31]: Explain what these projects are because I want folks to understand that this council is systematic in the way that we do things. [1:30:31, 1:30:37]: The region requires us to for a qualified local government status to have a plan in place. [1:30:37, 1:30:41]: We have a plan in place for these projects that have been ticked off. [1:30:41, 1:30:45]: The amphitheater didn't just pop up. It was one of the plans. [1:30:45, 1:30:48]: The Cultural Arts Center didn't just pop up, it was planned. [1:30:49, 1:30:59]: the youth senior citizen is the youth senior center is not just gonna pop up. It's it's the next project up after the Culture Arts Center. So as we go down. [1:30:59, 1:31:08]: This line of what we're doing uh in terms of parks into the city, in terms of infrastructure and everything that we're hoping to do. [1:31:08, 1:31:10]: uh inclusive of [1:31:10, 1:31:11]: you know, funding. [1:31:11, 1:31:19]: And as we understand right now, uh some of the projects that we have on our list in terms of traffic, everybody's talking about traffic. [1:31:19, 1:31:22]: Rock Quarry Road is on the T-SPLOST list. [1:31:22, 1:31:32]: the funding mechanism for to widen Rock Quarry Road and all of these projects and the sidewalks that we're uh trying to do in the community. [1:31:32, 1:31:39]: Everything that we do must be a part of the plan. Otherwise, it does not qualify. [1:31:39, 1:31:57]: for matching funds or grants uh through these uh the Atlanta Regional Commission and the various entities. So Ms. Johnson, talk about that in detail, mention some of these projects and understand that the import so the citizens understand the importance of what we're doing. [1:31:58, 1:32:13]: We can highlight some things as well. Yeah, highlight some. Sure, sure. Um, I I can bring it up on my screen just so we can see a couple of the projects. Um so I mean you explained it very well, Come here Protam. We this particular [1:32:14, 1:32:16]: Um, draft a document. [1:32:16, 1:32:24]: Is so that we have a plan for funding for different projects throughout the city so that we don't we're not acting randomly. [1:32:25, 1:32:26]: And how we [1:32:26, 1:32:31]: have projects or decide on projects and that we make sure we complete them. This is all about [1:32:31, 1:32:33]: Seeing it from beginning to end. [1:32:34, 1:32:38]: So the short-term work program, which used to be a five year plan. [1:32:39, 1:32:45]: Which is embedded in our comprehensive plan, which is our overall twenty-five to thirty year plan for development. [1:32:46, 1:33:06]: It was required on a five year basis. However, you know, a lot can get lost in five years. But if you keep an update going on an annual basis, then we can let the state know and our residents know what we're doing and what we're completing and what we're still in the process of doing. So this is the beginning of it. Can everyone see my screen? [1:33:06, 1:33:10]: Yeah, we can see it. Go ahead, please. I'm gonna scroll down so please mind by [1:33:12, 1:33:14]: Uh my cursor is a little [1:33:15, 1:33:25]: It's a little interesting. All right. So here are some of the projects we have. I mean, the amphitheater for once, see, I told you it was a little temperamental, you guys. So bear with me if you will. Okay. [1:33:25, 1:33:26]: So the amphitheater. [1:33:27, 1:33:31]: was a major project. We put twenty-three million dollars into it. [1:33:32, 1:33:35]: And and the state requires that we say. [1:33:36, 1:33:56]: The city of Stockbridge is going to have certain projects, whether they are gonna be, but they're all for the for the betterment of the city, the residents, distances. Remember, it all goes back to um how who we serve. We serve our city, our council, our city, our city manager, we serve. [1:33:56, 1:34:06]: the businesses, our development community, and our residents. So all these things are culmination. Like we have a cultural arts center that is a project that's currently underway. [1:34:07, 1:34:11]: And we'll be bringing that back in the next month or so for an update. [1:34:11, 1:34:26]: And it outlines not only projects that will do like hardscape, but it also addresses resurfacing of roads, road widening projects. And as Mary Pretend mentioned, T Splos is all about transportation. It's about [1:34:27, 1:34:47]: pedestrian transportation, which are trails, sidewalks, and then you have road improvements like resurfacing and road widening and other improvements. This is all to improve our city for economic development. So that we can have those businesses that say, oh wow, City of Stockbridge has an amphitheater, anticultural [1:34:47, 1:34:59]: Art Center and they're doing a lot of you know a lot in the downtown area, those are cues and ways that people want to be around. Those are areas and projects people want to be involved in. [1:34:59, 1:35:08]: So um to continue on, there are other projects in community development, which are mostly you know land use driven, zoning driven. [1:35:08, 1:35:12]: And then you have public works which are utilities, sewer. [1:35:12, 1:35:15]: and and the like. And you have economic development. [1:35:16, 1:35:20]: And these headings like community facilities, economic development. [1:35:21, 1:35:29]: Things like that, those are all elements of that, like I mentioned, the 25 to 30 year plan, which is our comprehensive plan. And it's just a drill down. [1:35:31, 1:35:36]: of that. So we're establishing different um organizations and associations. [1:35:37, 1:35:47]: And the different trail systems. We have a UDC that is underway. So things like this, these are improving the plans we have. [1:35:48, 1:35:49]: And again. [1:35:49, 1:36:01]: seeing them through from beginning to end. And that's the goal of meeting this minimum standards for the state. They require that we submit that information. And if things, you know. [1:36:01, 1:36:08]: If they have questions, they'll reach out. If they feel that there need to be some changes made, they will provide those as well. [1:36:08, 1:36:15]: So this kind of gives you some idea of that. And we have dollar amounts and how long it's gonna take us to do these projects. [1:36:17, 1:36:24]: So the capital improvements element piece are the major projects that we're putting serious funding behind. [1:36:24, 1:36:28]: Most of these projects are, you know,$200,000 and more. [1:36:29, 1:36:30]: So [1:36:31, 1:36:38]: If there are no other questions, that kind of sums up my overview of what a short-term work program is and our requirements per the state. [1:36:39, 1:36:40]: Yeah, Mrs. Thomas go ahead, please, sir. [1:36:41, 1:36:44]: Thank you, Mira, and thank you, uh Mrs. Johnson. [1:36:44, 1:36:50]: Uh I'd just like to add to to to the Mayor Pro Tem's comment and yours as well, Mrs. Johnson. [1:36:50, 1:36:54]: And and and and my comments are just based on [1:36:54, 1:36:57]: trying to to expound on [1:36:58, 1:37:04]: The obligations and the responsibility of of this elected body and all municipal government. [1:37:05, 1:37:07]: Um the short term work. [1:37:07, 1:37:08]: Um [1:37:08, 1:37:09]: Two. [1:37:10, 1:37:13]: It's no more but a two. [1:37:14, 1:37:16]: Ту асист і провадин. [1:37:17, 1:37:19]: Improve services. [1:37:20, 1:37:21]: To our citizenry. [1:37:23, 1:37:25]: We are about [1:37:26, 1:37:28]: service delivery. [1:37:29, 1:37:34]: And this is our main objective and this is our main goal when it comes to legislation. [1:37:35, 1:37:36]: Policy creation. [1:37:37, 1:37:39]: It's all geared toward [1:37:39, 1:37:43]: service delivery improvements. [1:37:43, 1:37:45]: Everything that we do [1:37:46, 1:37:50]: as for a municipal government has to be about improving [1:37:51, 1:37:55]: the services that we deliver to our citizenry. [1:37:55, 1:37:58]: Whether we're talking about public safety. [1:37:58, 1:38:08]: Or we're talking about improving roads, or we talk about improvements in public works, improvements in sewage, water, what have you. [1:38:09, 1:38:15]: This is what we're about, so I'm saying all this just to say we have to stay focused. [1:38:15, 1:38:17]: On the objective. [1:38:18, 1:38:21]: And and while we are here, while we are elected. [1:38:22, 1:38:24]: And we have to be conscious of providing. [1:38:25, 1:38:32]: Quality service. We cannot sit back on the services that we provided last year. [1:38:33, 1:38:35]: It's all about improving. [1:38:36, 1:38:56]: Our service delivery. And so this is just a tool, a systematic tool that we use to be able to focus on those things that we are obligated and responsible to do in municipal government and in the city of Stockbridge. So I just want to share that and it's [1:38:56, 1:39:04]: Sometimes I think that gets lost in, as someone said, it gets lost in the politics of everything. [1:39:04, 1:39:15]: But it's all about service delivery and improving upon those services every day. And during this time of the year when we're talking budget. [1:39:15, 1:39:18]: We have to be about improving. [1:39:19, 1:39:24]: improving services to our citizens and this is what they look for. [1:39:24, 1:39:27]: Thank you, Mayor, and I yield back and Miss Johnson, thank you. [1:39:27, 1:39:29]: Appreciate it. Any other comments from the council? [1:39:31, 1:39:51]: Okay. Well, this is a public hearing, uh public uh hearingness aspect as well. So I'd like to open it up uh for the public if anybody's online to make any comments for uh this particular short-term work program, the annual update. And I I cannot see anybody at this point, so I'm not sure if there's anybody out there on the public. [1:39:51, 1:40:03]: to making a comment, whether or not Ms. Holliday, if you can see that or if there's something uh somehow our IT kind of identify somebody in that nature, anybody for. [1:40:03, 1:40:09]: Mayor, I I do not see any questions relating to this particular public hearing item. [1:40:09, 1:40:11]: In the chat, yeah. [1:40:11, 1:40:18]: And Mayor Ford, Mayor Ford, this is the public information officer. At this time, there are no questions or comments on Facebook as well. [1:40:19, 1:40:33]: All right, then I'll uh close that part of the house with any comments against uh the public work program. Any comments whatsoever. And I would imagine by the public information officer's statement, there's no comments once whatsoever one way or the other. Is that correct? [1:40:35, 1:40:36]: Yes, sir, that is true at this time. [1:40:37, 1:40:52]: Okay, and Miss Holiday, you see nothing as well. Is that correct? Likewise on the Zoom. Okay, then I will close out uh the public hearing. And on that note, then uh council, I need a motion to accept this uh the uh the short-term work program annual update. [1:40:52, 1:40:53]: Oh. [1:40:53, 1:41:06]: Okay, is there a second? Mr. Thomas seconds at all. Um any question, further discussion? Any further discussion? All in favor, please indicate. Okay. Okay. And Mr. Blount, are you voting? [1:41:07, 1:41:15]: Okay. Tony. Okay, you okay, got it. So I'd say that's a unanimous decision in this aspect. Thank you very much, Council. [1:41:16, 1:41:20]: We're going to new business. Oh, Miss Ms. Johnson, thank you very much for your presentation. Appreciate it. [1:41:20, 1:41:22]: Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council members. [1:41:23, 1:41:27]: Council consideration approved the Doctor Road Program presented by Mr. Aaron, please. [1:41:28, 1:41:29]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. [1:41:30, 1:41:46]: In May of this year, the youth council approached uh the city manager about adopting a road to maintain and beautify within the city limits of Stockbridge. And we didn't have a program in place. So this is a process that formalizes the adopt the road program. [1:41:46, 1:41:53]: It requires certain documents and certain uh activities throughout the year in order to be considered. [1:41:54, 1:41:58]: to get a a sign saying you've adopted s such and such role. [1:41:58, 1:42:05]: First of all, you'd have to sign an adopt a role program agreement. It specifies what's required of the program. [1:42:05, 1:42:12]: Then there's a volunteer waiver liability and release that while you're out there cleaning, you do not hold a city home. [1:42:12, 1:42:16]: You do not hold them responsible for accidents or anything of that nature. [1:42:17, 1:42:19]: Then there's a schedule of cleanups you're required to [1:42:20, 1:42:40]: Perform four cleanups per year. And then there's a post-cleanup form where after every cleanup you submit it to the city of what was cleaned and things of that nature. So we're just trying to formalize a process where there is an actual adopt the road program and it's not a one-time thing where someone said, Hey, I want to adopt like Tide Street. [1:42:39, 1:42:46]: go out there one time every four years and clean it or do something on that street. This specifies how [1:42:46, 1:42:52]: and what requirements have to be met in order to maintain that role being adopted by your organization. [1:42:54, 1:42:59]: Thank you, Mr. Aaron. Any qu uh counsel, any questions for Mr. Aaron about this adopt the road program at all? [1:43:00, 1:43:04]: And if not, I need oh I'm sorry, uh Miss Barber. [1:43:05, 1:43:06]: So [1:43:07, 1:43:13]: Um, Mr. Aaron, is it fair to say that your department would be the one who'd be administering this? [1:43:14, 1:43:17]: Uh yes, Council Mom. [1:43:17, 1:43:18]: Thank you. [1:43:19, 1:43:24]: Any other questions? And if not, you mo need a motion to accept this uh proposal. [1:43:27, 1:43:31]: Any emotion, anybody? Okay, so move this can second. [1:43:33, 1:43:34]: Uh second, Miss Barber. [1:43:35, 1:43:36]: Any further discussion? [1:43:36, 1:43:38]: And if not all in favor, please indicate. [1:43:40, 1:43:42]: Okay, so now you're decision. Thank you very much. All right. [1:43:44, 1:43:49]: Council consideration to approve street acceptance policy. Mr. Aaron, please. [1:43:50, 1:44:10]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. Ms. Johnson, the city's engineer and I have had numerous discussions concerning how the city goes about accepting roads into the road system after they have been developed and built in subdivisions. And this outlines the process by which roads are built. [1:44:10, 1:44:27]: how roads are maintained and how roads are accepted into the city. This ensures that we accept roads that are built to a certain standard and those roads are maintained. We have maintenance bonds for the maintenance of those roads during a maintenance period after the roads are accepted into the city. [1:44:28, 1:44:29]: role system. [1:44:30, 1:44:34]: Okay, council. Any questions for Mr. Aaron in reference to this uh [1:44:34, 1:44:35]: Street acceptance policy. [1:44:36, 1:44:38]: Yes. Go ahead, Mr Mayor Protein. [1:44:39, 1:44:49]: So let me I just wanna understand the process. Uh when these um developers get ready to turn over the roads, somebody's actually going to go out there. [1:44:50, 1:44:53]: inspect the road to make sure that it's up to standard. [1:44:54, 1:44:56]: The the great the the [1:44:57, 1:45:03]: The sewer drains not sticking above the grade, the grades not they were supposed to put two coats on there. [1:45:03, 1:45:08]: of asphalt. They never put the second one over there and they escaped the neighborhood. [1:45:09, 1:45:16]: All of those types of things are going to be in the review and who's going to do the review and sign off before [1:45:16, 1:45:20]: uh granting uh the acceptance of the road. Who's gonna do that? [1:45:22, 1:45:25]: Well, Mayor Pro Tem, uh before building [1:45:25, 1:45:35]: decides to build a subdivision or come to the city for approval to build a subdivision. There are standards. The city has minimum design standards and also they'll be addressed in the [1:45:35, 1:45:55]: UDC of standards for constructing roles. And during that time, the developer will submit an application to the city about developing those roles. And then the application lays out the process the developer has to follow in order to construct those roles and the process by which the city inspects [1:45:55, 1:45:56]: Spects those roles. [1:45:57, 1:46:01]: So everything is done up front. The developer will know from the beginning once they decide. [1:46:02, 1:46:10]: To build that development, whether it's a shopping center or whether it's a subdivision, what's required to maintain and build roles according to the city specifications. [1:46:11, 1:46:15]: I I know what the paper says. Who's going out there to check? [1:46:16, 1:46:21]: When you finish when they finish, who is it you? Who's gonna go out there and physically check? [1:46:22, 1:46:35]: to make sure they did what they were supposed to do. Because I know we have a lot of procedures on paper, but in the end, who's going to go out there to verify that this has been done before this city signs off on it? [1:46:36, 1:46:55]: Well, Mayor Protein, we have uh three sets of engineers. There's an engineer in community development. There's also two engineers that the city have that are on call that are also capable of inspecting roads for the city doing a final inspection or pre-inspection or construction inspection before these roads are accepted into the city's road system. [1:46:56, 1:47:06]: So again, I want to be very clear. I know we have these people that can do it. Be very clear. Who's going to do it? Who's going to go make the final sign off? [1:47:07, 1:47:15]: If I may, may April Tim and um Mr. Aaron. So um since since I've been here and working with uh Public Works Director, Mr. Aaron. [1:47:16, 1:47:19]: We make sure that our inspectors, our building inspector. [1:47:20, 1:47:21]: From community development. [1:47:21, 1:47:41]: And one of our civil engineers from public works both go out and conduct inspections at each stage. They go in at the beginning, they go in throughout the process during construction. And because there's so much going on on the property and those roads are getting the maximum use. [1:47:41, 1:48:01]: Before they're actually topped off, both the inspectors go out and ensure that before we sign up on any bonds, that those roads meet ADA requirements, they meet all the minimum standards per our code and the state. So those things are handled through both departments. We jointly go. [1:48:01, 1:48:04]: go out and have those inspections completed. [1:48:04, 1:48:14]: before we have any conversations about releasing any bond funds for for these for these roads that are dedicated to the city. [1:48:15, 1:48:17]: Okay. Thank you. That's that's what I wanted to do. [1:48:18, 1:48:18]: Absolutely. [1:48:19, 1:48:20]: Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [1:48:29, 1:48:30]: Mr. Blount, you're still muted. [1:48:37, 1:48:44]: I'm sorry my cursor wasn't working. All right, go ahead. Ms. Brecker, uh Ms. Johnson, the um [1:48:45, 1:48:46]: When we talk about UDC [1:48:47, 1:49:02]: When we talk about these roads and sidewalks and all that, how does it impact fees with these uh subdivisions? How would they come in compliance with what we're talking about for us uh them being uh responsible for certain things when it comes to these uh sidewalks and roads and [1:49:03, 1:49:07]: What not well they're required to put up a performance bond. [1:49:08, 1:49:28]: um before they even start the project to ensure that before they start any work, if any um utility um lines get burst or there are any other issues that come as a result of their developing in that area, that they that either they will take care of it or we will utilize that bond. [1:49:27, 1:49:29]: Money to take care of it. [1:49:30, 1:49:33]: So that that's why we have it at the very beginning of the process. [1:49:34, 1:49:50]: Okay, one quick follow-up. Um and and I I agree with making sure those are inspected because we we have subdivisions now that was prior to us even coming on council that have uh sidewalks and some of them don't even extend all the way. You know, it's a lot of uh [1:49:50, 1:49:54]: imperfections, if you will, in in in communities. Um [1:49:54, 1:50:14]: What what liability would the builder have until uh uh how long is that liability for their roads and the sidewalks once they've been built? Because as you know, that there's certain type of cement you need to use, certain density of cement, certain things need to be done. So, what liability would they have after the completion of the [1:50:14, 1:50:17]: many projects before pause. [1:50:18, 1:50:18]: Mm. [1:50:19, 1:50:39]: So um I know that Mr. Aaron can probably handle that, answer that question a little better than I can, but minimum a three year performance fine is required. And if they do not make good on the requirements, this minimum standards, then we will utilize those funds and they will be paying the city for those. [1:50:39, 1:50:44]: those dollars, usually it's insured. They get the performance bond through the insurance company so that they could cover. [1:50:44, 1:50:50]: any expenses um to that degree. And Mr. Aaron, I don't know if you want to add to that. [1:50:51, 1:50:59]: Yeah, the the standard maintenance period is 36 months, but we also in certain instances you can extend it for an additional 12 months. [1:51:00, 1:51:03]: To make sure those roles and sidewalks are maintained. [1:51:06, 1:51:07]: Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. [1:51:07, 1:51:08]: Thank you. [1:51:09, 1:51:14]: I'm gonna ask the question. I think I know the answer, but I'm gonna ask this question playing devil advocate. [1:51:15, 1:51:16]: Um [1:51:17, 1:51:24]: What what are the pros and cons of the city accepting uh these streets and these subdivisions? [1:51:24, 1:51:27]: And and and why should we? And [1:51:27, 1:51:28]: Um [1:51:29, 1:51:34]: Are we responsible for any uh street lights uh within the uh on these streets? [1:51:36, 1:51:38]: The pros and cons. [1:51:38, 1:51:55]: The the pros, well, the pros is the city accepting you make sure that they're uh developed and designed to a certain standard. And so that they're not coming into the city's road system and you have to instant uh start putting money up for repairs right off the bat. [1:51:55, 1:51:56]: And also [1:51:56, 1:52:06]: If these roads are not public streets indeed over, then they're they're probably private streets and then you might not have access to those streets. [1:52:09, 1:52:13]: So to develop within the city, you wouldn't want to have access to those streets. [1:52:16, 1:52:20]: I yield back, Mayor. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Any further questions from the council? [1:52:21, 1:52:21]: Okay. [1:52:23, 1:52:23]: Why, sir. [1:52:25, 1:52:26]: Are you back to me, Mayor? [1:52:26, 1:52:32]: Well yeah, I I I thought you were just gonna say I I I I didn't get an answer about sh uh street lighting. [1:52:33, 1:52:36]: Okay, that's right. Oh, that's something separate. [1:52:36, 1:52:39]: [6760.6, 6770.1]: This is just to formalize and make sure that there's a process for developing roles and accepting roles into the city's role system. [1:52:51, 1:52:57]: Because there have been subdivisions built that the city has taken ownership of those roads and they might be they were substandard. [1:52:58, 1:52:59]: Yeah. Um [1:53:00, 1:53:12]: There are some private streets within some subdivisions in the city, such as Eagles Landing, I I would guess. Are there any other subdivisions where the streets are private? [1:53:13, 1:53:14]: That you know of. [1:53:14, 1:53:19]: That's the only gated and uh subdivision where I know the streets are private. [1:53:19, 1:53:23]: Okay. And there's a a trailer part within the city. [1:53:23, 1:53:25]: that those ropes are private. [1:53:25, 1:53:27]: Okay, I yield back, Mayor. [1:53:27, 1:53:28]: Okay. [1:53:28, 1:53:34]: On that note, if no further questions, then in the motion to accept this uh this actual street acceptance policy. [1:53:36, 1:53:38]: D is there a motion? [1:53:39, 1:53:39]: I moved. [1:53:40, 1:53:41]: Okay, Miss Gann, is there a second? [1:53:43, 1:53:48]: Uh uh Mr. Blount, second, any further discussion? And if not, all in favor, please indicate. [1:53:50, 1:54:10]: Okay, got a unanimous decision. Thank you very much, Council. Mr. Aaron, thank you, sir. Council consideration to approve task order number 24 with TSW Incorporated uh multiphase uh design renovations to the mural manners conference center in the amount of uh 239,000 to uh 239,230 dollars. The funds funding. [1:54:10, 1:54:12]: source would be fund balance. So Mr. Aaron, please. [1:54:13, 1:54:20]: Yes, Ms. Mayor and Council. I will refer this to Mr. Ingram. Uh Ms. McGee was working on this. [1:54:20, 1:54:24]: previously, but I'll let Mr. Ingrid speaks to this item. [1:54:25, 1:54:26]: Okay, go right here, Mr. [1:54:27, 1:54:39]: Uh thank you uh mayor and council for allowing us to talk to you about the Merrill Mandor Conference Center. Uh as you know, the Merrill Manders has been down for 21 months now. [1:54:40, 1:54:50]: Uh and it before that it was a very active conference center with weddings and events there regularly. [1:54:50, 1:55:00]: It was built in 2002 and now uh it's not in disrepair, but it has a need for modernization. [1:55:01, 1:55:07]: uh because of the other event centers event centers in the area to be competitive. [1:55:07, 1:55:08]: Um [1:55:09, 1:55:23]: And so we looked at talked to TSW about a phase in way to modernize the uh Mormander Conference Center. That's with the the carpets uh or floors. [1:55:23, 1:55:29]: the paint soundproofing sound system and light fixtures. [1:55:32, 1:55:38]: Okay. Uh any any further description right now? Any of anything else you need to add, Mr. Ingram? [1:55:39, 1:55:40]: Well um [1:55:40, 1:55:42]: We have been looking to. [1:55:44, 1:56:04]: during this covet period to get these things done. And now it's uh we're making the effort to execute uh in a timely manner to get the moral manner back on track and up and uh running. Um you know to one is it generates [1:56:04, 1:56:05]: [6965.4, 6973.5]: uh and uh it's a you know good community uh a vibr vibrant community center in stockbridge. [1:56:14, 1:56:33]: And the size of it being 6,000 square foot ballroom plus the additional 5,000 square feet of of other event space, it is one of the largest in the in the Stockbridge area. And uh we feel if we have the opportunity to get uh it [1:56:34, 1:56:41]: up to modern standards or modernize it, uh it can be a competitive event center uh in this area. [1:56:42, 1:56:47]: All right, thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. Council, any questions or concerns for Mr. Ingram here about the Mormon's Conference Center? [1:56:50, 1:56:50]: Anybody? [1:56:52, 1:56:54]: All right. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please, sir. [1:56:54, 1:57:01]: So uh uh Mr. Ingram, uh I'm I'm just looking at the numbers here. Um [1:57:02, 1:57:08]: Two hundred and thirty-nine thousand two hundred and thirty. Um [1:57:09, 1:57:14]: And I I see how you have it here itemized. So what is the um [1:57:14, 1:57:21]: Is this the projected cost of renovation, uh, demolition? [1:57:21, 1:57:26]: Uh is that is that um an addition or breakdown? [1:57:27, 1:57:33]: No sir. It there would be no demolition. It would just be upgrades from the existing [1:57:33, 1:57:44]: uh structure that we have. You know, it would be uh uh uh the new flooring, uh the walls need soundproofing, uh the [1:57:45, 1:57:49]: paint the the the the color scheme uh would [1:57:49, 1:57:51]: would be more aesthetically [1:57:51, 1:57:52]: You know [1:57:52, 1:58:12]: better if it was modernized. When it was built in 2002, the mood was for a it's almost you know a cabin look. Right now with the with uh zoom and people wanting to do selfies, uh the lighting and [1:58:12, 1:58:32]: And uh is it's a different feel for uh what people want. And we want to be uh up to date in a modern, in a modern uh facility. So uh the lighting fixtures is more needs more light. Uh those chandeliers uh don't give off light. [1:58:32, 1:58:46]: It's and so if you were filming in there, uh, and most people do with selfies and so forth, it's uh you can't get the light you would need for that. And that's what people want when they rent new modern facilities. [1:58:49, 1:58:50]: Thank you. [1:58:51, 1:58:53]: Yeah, questions council. [1:58:54, 1:58:55]: Anybody else? [1:58:56, 1:59:01]: And if not, I need a motion to accept uh his proposal about the remodeling of uh Mormano's conference center. [1:59:03, 1:59:03]: Is there a motion? [1:59:05, 1:59:06]: In our budget, I'm sorry. [1:59:07, 1:59:08]: Is it is in our budget, correct? [1:59:09, 1:59:11]: I would I would think it is, Mr. Ingram? [1:59:12, 1:59:13]: It had to come out of fund balance. [1:59:14, 1:59:19]: It would it would come from fund balance, I believe, Mr. Wiggins. Am I correct? [1:59:20, 1:59:25]: Yeah, you're correct. There you go. This it this this was not this was not budgeted. [1:59:27, 1:59:29]: Okay. So if you're trying to start [1:59:30, 1:59:33]: For innovation now, you would need to use fund balance. [1:59:34, 1:59:40]: And and as I said, we've been down for twenty one months. Uh and I would hope that [1:59:40, 1:59:56]: you know, we could get the moral mandar back up to speed as people are beginning to go out again. And uh we get several requests every week uh to know when we'll be opening up and we can [1:59:56, 1:59:58]: even give uh [1:59:58, 2:00:01]: patrons when citizens uh [2:00:01, 2:00:02]: You know [2:00:03, 2:00:05]: a timeline on when we would even [2:00:06, 2:00:07]: Be starting. [2:00:07, 2:00:20]: And and that's one of the things that we want to do is get that process started so that we can, you know, estimate a a a finish line, a finish time uh line of when we could be back. [2:00:20, 2:00:21]: And online. [2:00:22, 2:00:31]: Sem muchas Ms. Cans. Any other further questions? This this is for to get estimates, correct? This isn't necessarily the actual. [2:00:32, 2:00:36]: No, it has not gone out to be it for the actual construction. [2:00:37, 2:00:37]: Uh [2:00:38, 2:00:39]: You know, of it. [2:00:39, 2:00:45]: Okay. So listen, I would be okay if we were going to just get some numbers. [2:00:45, 2:00:49]: And we put this in the budget for twenty twenty two. [2:00:49, 2:00:51]: I am a stickler. [2:00:51, 2:00:54]: In regards to making sure that we have the money. [2:00:54, 2:00:57]: If there has if there's money in the budget. [2:00:57, 2:01:00]: For this, so be it. Twenty twenty one. [2:01:01, 2:01:08]: But if we're going just to get some estimates, which we're right at the tail end, I mean, we're at the last quarter, right? October. So you like November, December. [2:01:09, 2:01:15]: January's right here. I'm okay with us having it as a part of our budget for 2022. [2:01:16, 2:01:17]: Um [2:01:17, 2:01:20]: So long as we're voting to move forward with getting an estimate. [2:01:21, 2:01:22]: Is that what we're doing? [2:01:24, 2:01:24]: Uh. [2:01:25, 2:01:28]: Councilwoman Barber, this is a a task order from [2:01:28, 2:01:37]: TSW is similar to like one for the Cultural Arts Center or for the renovation of the Ted Strickland offices. This is to prepare. [2:01:37, 2:01:46]: Concepts and designs for the renovation of the Merrill Manders, there's like three different phases. One phase you would just renovate the ballroom. [2:01:46, 2:02:06]: Then you come back at a later date and renovate the meeting spaces downstairs. It's broken according to the different uses of the building. So this was a task order to update and refresh the Murray Mandas because in 19 years there hasn't been any significant investment in the refurbished. [2:02:06, 2:02:07]: [7328.6, 7330.6]: So I'm in favor of that. [2:02:11, 2:02:12]: I just wanna know. [2:02:12, 2:02:15]: Where are we how much money are we talking? [2:02:17, 2:02:24]: For this ministry out of fund balance right now. I I want to know about what we have in our budget for Mormandar. [2:02:24, 2:02:29]: And then how much money are we talking about taking money out right now in twenty twenty one? [2:02:31, 2:02:51]: No, this wouldn't all be spent in 2021. You probably have minimal cost because we're in uh we're in might as well say November. So by the time they start, it'll probably be around in December or something like that. So the expenses for this year would be minimal and you can budget it or use fund balance. [2:02:51, 2:02:51]: [7372.0, 7375.4]: to uh pay for the remainder of the task order costs. [2:02:56, 2:02:59]: Mr. Wiggins, do we have any money in the budget in Merrymanders? [2:03:01, 2:03:03]: We have uh let me take. [2:03:04, 2:03:07]: I'm trying to bring it up now to see what we currently have. [2:03:08, 2:03:10]: We don't have enough for two hundred and thirty nine. [2:03:10, 2:03:11]: What is it? [2:03:11, 2:03:13]: Two hundred thirty nine thousand right now. [2:03:14, 2:03:17]: H will it cost two hundred and thirty nine thousand right now? [2:03:18, 2:03:22]: No, they're not gonna bill us two hundred and thirty nine thousand dollars before the end of the year. [2:03:22, 2:03:25]: Yeah, like Miss like like Dish was saying, they [2:03:25, 2:03:28]: They're gonna build us in in in phases. [2:03:28, 2:03:30]: You got three phases to uh [2:03:30, 2:03:32]: Complete all of the work. [2:03:32, 2:03:35]: I'm pretty sure they'll start with the lowest, but um [2:03:36, 2:03:52]: I just want to know the cost. So every single meeting, I asked the same thing. What are the costs? Is it do we have it in our budget? What is the balance? I asked this every single meeting. [2:03:52, 2:03:55]: So these are the things I want to know. [2:03:55, 2:04:01]: And Mr. Ingram, I appreciate you. I appreciate your presentation. I love it. I'm I'm for it. [2:04:02, 2:04:07]: I just want to make sure that we have the money in the budget because I've been a stickler on that. [2:04:07, 2:04:23]: Um and so long as we budget for it for 2022, I'm okay if the cost will fit within what we have right now. What's the what what's in the budget right now, Mr. Wiggins? Right now you you have fifty thousand dollars. [2:04:24, 2:04:26]: For site improvement. [2:04:27, 2:04:27]: Okay. [2:04:28, 2:04:31]: To start to b to basically start this project. [2:04:32, 2:04:36]: Okay. And that's from now through December. And I think that's doable, right? [2:04:37, 2:04:39]: Is that doable, Mr Dashus? [2:04:39, 2:04:53]: Yes, ma'am, because if you just did phase one, which is the ballroom and entrance refresh, even if they did everything this year it'll be$27,650. Okay. I'm in favor then. I'm fine. I just want to make sure we have the money. [2:04:53, 2:05:00]: already set aside and when we get ready to do our finalize this this budget in 22 that we include those costs. [2:05:01, 2:05:01]: Okay. [2:05:03, 2:05:07]: It uh what standby? Uh Councilman Thomas, you were unmuted, sir. Uh I'm sorry. [2:05:08, 2:05:11]: No questions. No questions. Okay, no problem. Map Pro 10 point, please. [2:05:12, 2:05:18]: Okay, this is my issue with this entire process. To spend two hundred and thirty [2:05:18, 2:05:20]: thousand dollars. [2:05:20, 2:05:28]: We already know we've been through this enough time. There's gonna be change orders. By the time this already finishes, we'll be close to three hundred thousand dollars. [2:05:29, 2:05:39]: on a facility that's going to be replaced in the next 18 months. We'll have a new cultural arts center with a state-of-the-art ballroom inside it. [2:05:40, 2:05:48]: It makes no sense to remodel this facility when you have a brand new state of the art modern ballroom inside the Cultural Arts Center. [2:05:49, 2:05:52]: Why would we spend this money now? I suggest that we repair Merylmanders. [2:05:54, 2:06:00]: with the roof leak and the such things and as that and keep it in operational condition. [2:06:00, 2:06:07]: So that it can function for the next 18 to 24 months until we get the new. [2:06:07, 2:06:08]: State of the art. [2:06:09, 2:06:22]: Cultural Art Center that we have the financing in place for with a ballroom that not anybody in the region will be able to touch on this side of town. We've already got that plan in place right now and what are to do it with. [2:06:23, 2:06:23]: So [2:06:24, 2:06:27]: And I understand Councilwoman Gance. [2:06:27, 2:06:33]: uh argument, which is to take the money and to put it in fund balance, uh to take in and out of fund balance. [2:06:33, 2:06:42]: Which we're doing. That's not smart for us to take this money out of fund balance. And the overall overarching concern is. [2:06:42, 2:06:46]: Мерл Мандерс збенлюсь маніфорій в єрс. [2:06:47, 2:06:50]: Every year we have to subsidize that budget. [2:06:51, 2:06:54]: Over and over and over again with [2:06:54, 2:06:58]: thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars over the last few years. [2:06:59, 2:07:05]: Why on earth would we do that now when that facility is about to be replaced? [2:07:05, 2:07:07]: With a state of the art facility. [2:07:07, 2:07:11]: that it will be competing with in the same area. [2:07:11, 2:07:14]: I think we need to pump the brakes on this right here. [2:07:14, 2:07:18]: And at some point, look at what we can do to repurpose. [2:07:19, 2:07:22]: Uh Merrill Manders, once we have our new state of the art. [2:07:22, 2:07:23]: Um [2:07:24, 2:07:27]: ballroom open because that's what we're talking about. [2:07:27, 2:07:30]: is doing the ballroom and the entrance and all of that. [2:07:31, 2:07:44]: uh we should pump the brakes on this. And at some point we have other uses that may be able to come to the table. As the city is expanding, we need more office space. We need other uh in uh [2:07:44, 2:07:51]: other types of uses and we will have a building available to do that with rather than investing [2:07:52, 2:07:57]: Pro I'm in my guess three hundred thousand dollars or more after all of the changes are put in place. [2:07:57, 2:08:01]: And then there will be other changes that will be needed to upgrade. [2:08:01, 2:08:03]: uh the facility as well. [2:08:04, 2:08:12]: So my idea, my my thoughts on this would be to table this so that we can come up with another plan to fix Merrill Manders. [2:08:13, 2:08:33]: Right. All the repairs that need to be done should be done. Just those repairs would need to be done in terms of the roof, in terms of the things that need to be done to keep it functional so that we can have city events in it and we can have it available to the public when need when that would need to be done. But to spend$300,000. [2:08:33, 2:08:34]: I was on a facility. [2:08:34, 2:08:40]: that will be obsolete in two years wouldn't it does not really make sense to me. [2:08:41, 2:08:42]: Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. Oh. [2:08:44, 2:08:45]: Thank you, Mayor. [2:08:46, 2:08:47]: Um [2:08:47, 2:08:49]: Mr. Um [2:08:49, 2:08:59]: Canyon Well, is he still on here? Yes, I am. I'm just trying to figure out has it been baited out where we can get a more accurate number? [2:09:00, 2:09:07]: Because I'm looking at the 239, what is what is this representing versus when we bid it out to get actual numbers? [2:09:07, 2:09:10]: It has not been to that process yet. [2:09:10, 2:09:20]: Where are we getting the 239 from when we when we at this point we don't have an overall cost to bid it out to find out what the overall cost would be? [2:09:21, 2:09:24]: Because if we if we say yes to two thirty nine. [2:09:24, 2:09:37]: uh agree that these numbers can be inflated through through through the bidding process and then we we already subjected ourselves to two thirty nine what what is it becomes back another two hundred and thirty nine or two hundred and fifty thousand or whatever. We we have no I mean [2:09:39, 2:09:42]: For me, it just seemed a little premature. [2:09:43, 2:09:50]: to to to go at it now without a betting cost to have overall cost for for this project overall. [2:09:50, 2:09:58]: When we're just saying, hey, we'll start it up and then hey, uh at some point in time we'll we'll get numbers to finish. I don't I don't understand that. Well, uh [2:09:58, 2:10:01]: I I understand your question, but [2:10:02, 2:10:03]: Uh is it that [2:10:04, 2:10:16]: We're going to put the moral mandor back online. It has been offline for twenty one months. Are we saying we're gonna just hold on that? I I'm looking for your direction to let me know. [2:10:17, 2:10:29]: which way to move if we're gonna put it back online and it be a facility for the community's use so we're gonna leave it where it is and wait for the eighteen months. Um because you know we just wanna [2:10:29, 2:10:41]: We're we're we're we're we're we want to do what's best for the uh mayor and council and serve the citizens. Uh so uh uh [2:10:41, 2:10:46]: You know, and we're presenting it to to find out what is the best [2:10:46, 2:10:52]: way to move forward or do do we have any other suggestions to [2:10:53, 2:10:56]: to go after uh the community's business. [2:10:57, 2:10:59]: Yeah, but but what I'm saying is for for me. [2:11:00, 2:11:00]: Is [2:11:01, 2:11:12]: Right now, how because first of all, one council member doesn't d doesn't make a decision. There has to be a consensus of the council. So that's one that's one part of it. [2:11:12, 2:11:15]: But the part at hand right now is [2:11:15, 2:11:17]: That for me, we don't have. [2:11:19, 2:11:27]: uh anything to show us what the overall cost for what type renovations that that you're gonna do. I don't know if that includes making sure the roof is right. I don't know. [2:11:27, 2:11:30]: What if it comes out to five hundred thousand dollars? [2:11:30, 2:11:31]: Rather we're talking about [2:11:32, 2:11:36]: bringing the mural manners back online or not. I'm just saying right now for this. [2:11:36, 2:11:37]: Item [2:11:38, 2:11:44]: How can we vote on something when we have no idea through a bidding process what the overall cost would be? [2:11:45, 2:11:55]: for the renovations needed for that facility. And that and that's it that's why I'm saying right now this process is a little premature versus what what the actual numbers would be because I don't want to [2:11:55, 2:12:03]: Us end up paying over two hundred thousand dollars just for everybody to seek out and and and discover what we need to do. And next thing you know, we're coming back to get a [2:12:03, 2:12:07]: get an amount and now everybody's been loaded their pockets with money and we still gotta [2:12:07, 2:12:11]: pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to get the barrel man up the par until we get [2:12:12, 2:12:14]: actual numbers, I just think that we should for me. [2:12:15, 2:12:17]: We should get actual numbers of what the cost is gonna be. [2:12:18, 2:12:22]: Through our bidding process to find out what it was gonna cost this council to [2:12:22, 2:12:25]: truly renovate the Merrill manage for what you think it is needed. [2:12:26, 2:12:26]: Yes, sir. [2:12:27, 2:12:28]: We can do that. [2:12:29, 2:12:30]: The purpose of this was [2:12:31, 2:12:44]: The the Merrill Manders, uh, Ms. McGee and Mr. Ingram had been working on this to get to renovate this facility, to bring it up to par with the surrounding and competing facilities that they're competing against for. [2:12:44, 2:12:47]: businesses, conferences and other things of that sort. [2:12:47, 2:13:07]: And if you've been in the murder, there are some things like downstairs. A lot of businesses rent those spaces to use for their clients and then do training and things of that nature. So we're trying to this would uh provide a set of standards to renovate this building. This would design the bed and all the amenities. [2:13:07, 2:13:27]: That staff wanted to see in this facility as an updated facility so that they could be competitive. And then you bid it out. If the price came in at$500,000 to renovated, then a decision be made: does the city want to move forward with spending that money to renovate it? But this was to get us to that process where they go in and meet with Mr. [2:13:27, 2:13:47]: Ingram and his staff and everybody, the city council, and saying, what do you want to see in a refurbished Merrill Manders? What do you think it would take to make it competitive? Because the Merrill Manders got some uses that would be different than the Cultural Arts Center because you don't have the meeting and office spaces in there for businesses to rent like they do in a lower level of the Merrill Manders. [2:13:47, 2:13:57]: And also there might be some party or wedding that somebody wanna hold in the Merrill Manders. And so you wanted to have that facility ready and available if somebody wanted to rent it. [2:13:59, 2:14:01]: Uh, Miss Gang, go ahead, please. [2:14:01, 2:14:06]: Thank you, Mayor. Um, and thank you, Mr. Dashes uh Aaron for that. I agree. [2:14:07, 2:14:07]: Um [2:14:09, 2:14:20]: The statement made as if we just because we get an art center does not mean we don't want the Merrill Manders. I think that we should always update all of our buildings, especially. [2:14:20, 2:14:40]: those buildings that are really capital projects that are were for the community. So I'm not again I'm not against this. I just wanted to make sure it was in the budget. And Mr. Wigan said there's fifty thousand dollars in the budget. Mr. Desha said that there's 20 the cost right now would be the first phase is about [2:14:40, 2:14:54]: About 20 something thousand. This is for a design through TSW. This is exactly what this is. This does not include renovations. It's the same thing that we would be doing for the art center. Now, in regards to the art center. [2:14:55, 2:15:03]: My c the the my idea, and you know, each council member has their own opinion about what we should do. [2:15:04, 2:15:05]: We have already [2:15:07, 2:15:10]: We have already given up the Ted Strickland for office space. [2:15:11, 2:15:15]: And it's already full is from my understanding. [2:15:15, 2:15:35]: My concern is exactly that. There are numerous amounts of people. I can't tell you how many times I get calls a day asking about when is the Ted Strickland going to open back up so they can have a baby shower, they can have a wedding shower, they can have a community event or a church wants to have some kind of dinner. And they can't. [2:15:35, 2:15:37]: Because we're renovating that. [2:15:38, 2:15:39]: For office space. [2:15:40, 2:16:00]: The ballroom. I can't imagine what the cost of a nice state-of-the-art ballroom will be for larger, for beautiful events. But we still have people who utilize the rooms downstairs as classrooms, as meeting rooms in the mormanders, as well as that event facility. [2:16:00, 2:16:06]: Yes, it's important to keep what we have and make it up to date. That is extremely important to me. [2:16:07, 2:16:11]: I'm not against it at all. In fact, I think we need it. [2:16:11, 2:16:16]: Regardless of what we decide to do with it, it needs to be updated. [2:16:16, 2:16:36]: I just want to make sure, as I've always made sure that we are financially responsible, that we have the money in our budget for this. And if the project is going to start with the 20 with out of the 50,000 that's already in the budget at Burmer Manders, and we can pay the 29 or whatever that number is for right now. [2:16:36, 2:16:45]: Now and they're getting a design together, which will then help us determine what call the cost will be. Then I'm okay with that. [2:16:46, 2:16:54]: But I'm not going to say, oh, we're going to get a new state of art building. We're going to repurpose this Merrmanders. The art center is not going to make money. [2:16:55, 2:16:55]: Don't [2:16:56, 2:17:16]: The Art Center, as the financial advisor, as our city manager, have all stated, and as history shows in other municipalities, is not a money-making facility either. These are things that our our taxpayers spent their money on splot, our splot dollars going to work. [2:17:15, 2:17:27]: for community projects. Neither will the community center for the citizens, the seniors, the for the families. I hate when we say senior and youth center. It's a community center. [2:17:27, 2:17:34]: is for all ages. Neither will that make money, but it de it there is a purpose for it. [2:17:35, 2:17:50]: And so us making sure that all of our buildings, whether they don't have the leaks, whether they look nice, we always talk about beautification and presentation. Those things are important. So I'm okay right now. [2:17:50, 2:17:53]: With spending the money that we have in the budget. [2:17:54, 2:17:56]: But not going beyond that. [2:17:57, 2:17:59]: Until next year. [2:17:59, 2:18:10]: if we're gonna approve the budget for next year and and for the design or for the updates. And then we can decide whether or not we're gonna move forward. But we gotta have some kind of level expertise. [2:18:11, 2:18:13]: Somebody's gotta do the pricing. [2:18:13, 2:18:16]: And this is the way that we go about doing it. [2:18:16, 2:18:19]: It's how we operate business. [2:18:20, 2:18:21]: This is common. [2:18:22, 2:18:23]: This is nothing new. [2:18:26, 2:18:26]: That's it. [2:18:26, 2:18:28]: Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please, sir. [2:18:29, 2:18:32]: I I would agree also with all of the comments. [2:18:32, 2:18:34]: Most of the comments. [2:18:34, 2:18:38]: Um it it it it appears that we do need to table [2:18:38, 2:18:41]: Uh, we need to get a better understanding. [2:18:41, 2:18:45]: Because I know there's always a design cost. [2:18:45, 2:18:47]: There's always a renovation cost. [2:18:48, 2:18:51]: And and none of those that we know right now, but I would agree that. [2:18:52, 2:18:54]: We do need to improve the mural. [2:18:55, 2:18:59]: Um it's still a viable uh building. Um [2:18:59, 2:19:15]: in in our uh uh city campus. So I think we need to do that, but I think we need to take a step back and do a little bit more uh uh due diligence and how we go forward with that. So I'm in favor of tabling. But just let me say again [2:19:15, 2:19:18]: Um, when we talk about um [2:19:19, 2:19:21]: Um generating revenue. [2:19:22, 2:19:31]: Uh it's not always about uh the dollars that come in. And and again, you know, we're about providing services now with the [2:19:31, 2:19:43]: Culture Art Center, uh, without a doubt, uh, it's going to provide a certain level of services. When you talk about, and that is a theater, that is a um [2:19:44, 2:20:04]: a ballroom, there's also a museum, there's classroom. So those are services that we will be able to offer our citizens, services that we'll be able to offer um high school kids. So that is a benefit to everything that we do, even in the with the mural. [2:20:04, 2:20:08]: That is a benefit to all of this. And I think we have to sort of. [2:20:09, 2:20:19]: uh understand, you know, uh again, service delivery, but it's not always about uh dollars and cents. But I think that when you create [2:20:19, 2:20:39]: Uh, these entities that are going to bring people in your downtown because our overall thrust is uh downtown revitalization. In order to do that, you have to have these things that's going to attract people into coming downtown, which is going to spur other. [2:20:39, 2:20:59]: uh businesses that want to come into your downtown. So you don't you may not realize the benefit initially, but once you put the puzzle together and you have a whole puzzle and then your city benefit totally. [2:20:59, 2:21:19]: So but I I just I'm in agreement with with with tabling this and uh and Mr. Ingram, I think um you know we have to start to do some calculation and I don't know uh mayor, I don't know who's gonna be the one to uh go back to the drawing board, Mr. Aaron, and and just look at this a little closer because I know we have design. [2:21:19, 2:21:21]: Then we have renovation. [2:21:22, 2:21:28]: And we are in the budget process. So I just think we just need to regroup, but I think all of us agree. [2:21:29, 2:21:35]: That we do need the mural to be a viable and a functioning building in our city. [2:21:36, 2:21:37]: But how? [2:21:38, 2:21:58]: How do we go forward with the bill? And I think that's the main question. Um, and I think we all agree that we will go forward, but it's just a how. So I I would just recommend tabling it. Uh, but even during that time, if we're going to bring it back next month or the month after that, something needs to happen in between. So when it does come back, we have a better. [2:21:58, 2:22:00]: better understanding and maybe we can go forward. [2:22:02, 2:22:12]: Sure, appreciate it, sir. Appreciate it. So otherwise Mr. Ingram and Mr. Aaron to uh work together on this project and keep me involved in that through the budget process as that we have to go through here very shortly. [2:22:13, 2:22:15]: Mayor Protam, you're unmuted. You have another comment, sir. [2:22:16, 2:22:20]: Yeah, let me say this. Fix Meromanders. Fix it. [2:22:21, 2:22:21]: Fix it. [2:22:22, 2:22:25]: That was the first thing that I said. Fix it. [2:22:25, 2:22:28]: I didn't suggest leaving it in the condition that it is now. [2:22:29, 2:22:33]: repair it so that is a viable facility for the city. [2:22:34, 2:22:37]: I would maintain the meeting space downtown. [2:22:37, 2:22:57]: But I would not pay TSW to redesign the ballroom when we have a best in class ballroom that will be up and running in the next 24 months. I would maintain the status quo. So when did we condemn Merle Mayor, may Merle Manders? Mayor, I believe you just had a meeting. [2:22:57, 2:23:05]: In there uh with the Georgia Municipal Association or District 3 just a little bit ago, right? It's still functional, isn't it? [2:23:05, 2:23:25]: Right, it still falls. It's not condemned, sir. We didn't condemn it. Exactly. We're speaking like Merle Manders is about to fall down. It's condemned. It needs to be fixed. We can fix it, maintain the status quo till we get up to where we need to be, because that's not something that uh that that uh we have funds. He just said we have fifty thousand dollars. [2:23:25, 2:23:45]: Dollars fix it, fix it with the fifty thousand dollars, right? So we can continue using the meeting space downtown. But for God's sake, why would we pay somebody to design a new ballroom? Why would we do that? When I say repurpose, there should be something that we use it for. Merle Manders to be viable. [2:23:45, 2:24:05]: For here to here forward, but for what purpose? We don't know that yet, but I know we don't need a ballroom because we got one coming. So continue to use the meeting space downstairs, maintain it, fix Merle Manders with the fifty thousand dollars that we already got, and then let's table this into [2:24:05, 2:24:11]: we decide what the actual use long term is going to be for Merl Mandarin. [2:24:12, 2:24:13]: Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [2:24:15, 2:24:16]: Um [2:24:17, 2:24:25]: Dacious, um, could we get a itemized uh with our public facilities maintenance person? [2:24:26, 2:24:30]: And public works and itemized a list of what repairs are needed. [2:24:31, 2:24:38]: For the mural manners and get a cost to that. Uh and Ms. Canyon, Mr. Ingram, uh, if you could give us a suggestion. [2:24:38, 2:24:55]: and cost of what you are suggesting for the Merrill Manders in in our efforts to not rebuild the Merrill Manders but to do repairs and also to do upgrades in those repairs instead of uh uh because I I I I'm just saying right now. [2:24:56, 2:25:00]: for everything that we're dealing with and and we're talking and with this figure that's now. [2:25:01, 2:25:04]: And what's already in the in the uh balance for the budget. [2:25:05, 2:25:19]: Let let's kind of start with what needs to be repaired in the mural manners. What needs to be repaired and what suggestion, Mr. Ingalls, that you will have for this council that would be uh an upgrade for it instead of this uh uh instead of a massive renovation at this time. [2:25:20, 2:25:24]: The the immediate needs are floor, paint. [2:25:25, 2:25:26]: Sound proofing. [2:25:27, 2:25:43]: No uh th though th those three things may even can come under the uh present budget that we have. We're not positive, but but it those three things uh would would would put the moral back. [2:25:44, 2:25:51]: online to uh to to serve the public. We're anxious to be back online. We wanna be back online. [2:25:51, 2:25:59]: Uh but we have to, you know, get those at least those those primary things. It definitely needs some paint and it definitely needs flowing. [2:25:59, 2:26:16]: Thank you, Ms. Ing. Can we check and see what the cost of that is and if you should say that's part of the budget that you have now? And then whatever we need to do in the future on that, uh, we'll just deal with that. But if that's because what you're saying, I'm uh you know, I'm not a I'm not the person to do that, but [2:26:16, 2:26:32]: If that falls on what you already have, then I think that all you need to do is just uh take that and uh and and and let us know you're facilitating that with the budget you already have. So, you know, I think that would be good. I'll get with Mr. Aaron and uh we we'll we'll move forward with that. [2:26:33, 2:26:36]: Cur curiosity question. Uh Councilwoman Barber, did you have any comment at all? [2:26:41, 2:26:46]: I didn't raise my hand, but I will add to the discussion. Um, I think this item [2:26:47, 2:26:51]: Um it was for council consideration to approve a task order. [2:26:52, 2:26:53]: В ТСВ. [2:26:54, 2:26:56]: For a multi phase design renovation. [2:26:57, 2:27:01]: And that cost is two hundred and thirty-nine thousand two hundred and thirty dollars. [2:27:02, 2:27:04]: That's for TSW. [2:27:04, 2:27:05]: For design. [2:27:06, 2:27:09]: Um, I am in support of tabling this. [2:27:10, 2:27:10]: And [2:27:10, 2:27:13]: Asking staff to go back in. [2:27:13, 2:27:15]: Провідес від лист of [2:27:15, 2:27:17]: Necessary repairs. [2:27:17, 2:27:18]: Um to get it back. [2:27:19, 2:27:19]: Functional. [2:27:20, 2:27:20]: Um [2:27:21, 2:27:22]: That's all. [2:27:23, 2:27:42]: All right, so I need a motion, folks, one way or the other. Sir. Yes, go ahead. I'd like to make a motion to table this item and then we've already had enough discussion on what uh staff is to go back and to look at it and to see where uh what uh needs to be done in terms of repairs. [2:27:43, 2:27:47]: Miss okay, Miss Barber, I've got to use a second then. Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [2:27:49, 2:27:53]: Unanimous decision. All right. Thank you very much. All right, gentlemen, you grab your marching order. [2:27:54, 2:27:56]: Okay, council consideration to a uh staff. [2:27:57, 2:28:05]: Excuse me, council consideration to approve staff to apply for a governor's grant for ARPA funds for water and sewer projects. Mr. Aaron, please. [2:28:05, 2:28:25]: Yes, Ms. Mayor and Council. Governor Kemp has some additional APRA funds that can be used for water and sewer improvements. And it's kind of like the CDBG program that you have a match you have to provide. We can use current offer funds for those mats, for that match. So our engineers recommend. [2:28:25, 2:28:45]: Because I think we've identified projects that we were going to spend about$5 million on it. Is that the city leveraged$2.5 million of its ARPA funds to obtain an additional$2.5 million from the governor's ARPA fund? So we would need a letter of support from the mayor and the city of Stockbridge. We also would need a [2:28:45, 2:28:48]: a letter of support from our state representative. [2:28:49, 2:28:58]: And we're meeting with our engineers tomorrow. We have to have the application submitted by October 31st. They have pretty much all of the documents. We just need the approval from. [2:28:58, 2:29:02]: uh mayor and counsel and that signed letter from the mayor and our state representative. [2:29:03, 2:29:04]: So [2:29:04, 2:29:18]: Stand by one second, please. Mr. Aaron, um upon approval from the council, I I definitely without a doubt, I'll sign a document for you in a letter. But you said a state representative, we have several that touch stoppers. How many do you need? Or do you need a senator? I just need one. [2:29:18, 2:29:23]: One. Okay. We already have the template for the letter. We just need one letter signed. [2:29:23, 2:29:25]: All right. Mayor Pro Tam, go ahead, please. [2:29:26, 2:29:30]: Let me thank you, Mr. Aaron. See this is what I'm talking about. Okay. [2:29:30, 2:29:33]: You need staff that's very proactive. [2:29:33, 2:29:53]: Going out finding those dollars that's on the table as we crunch these numbers, trying to make hard decisions. Thank you, because this is what we need out of our staff members to be able to bring this to the table like this and assist us. You just made our job and the citizens' job easier. [2:29:53, 2:30:00]: You bring in two million dollars that they don't have to come out of their pockets because it's their money. I just want to thank you. [2:30:01, 2:30:03]: Um Catherine Blancley, please. [2:30:05, 2:30:10]: May may I like to make a motion to approve the um grant for the uh governor's grant. [2:30:10, 2:30:18]: All right. You have done so. Is there a second? I have a second. Miss I heard Miss Gantt's voice. She seconds that. Uh is there any further discussion? [2:30:20, 2:30:21]: Uh Miss Barber, go ahead, please. [2:30:21, 2:30:32]: Yes, Mr. Aaron. So for this item, council, consideration to approve staff to apply for governors grant for ARPA funds for water and sewer projects. [2:30:33, 2:30:38]: Does that mean that the city will put up the funding? [2:30:38, 2:30:42]: for these projects and will be refunded. [2:30:42, 2:30:44]: By ARPA. [2:30:45, 2:31:00]: Uh you there's a possibility you can get up to 50%. So if we put two and a half million in, we'll be going for two and a half million dollar grant from this from the governor's ARPA fund. So for a total of five million dollars. [2:31:00, 2:31:06]: Okay. How would the council receive the list of projects that are identified? [2:31:07, 2:31:23]: Those projects have been submitted to finance. There's also, it was a copy of the email from uh Mr. Chad Petting with Carter and Sloop outlining projects that the city had established to use ARPRA funds for that we could use these additional funds to. [2:31:25, 2:31:26]: Okay. Thank you. [2:31:26, 2:31:46]: Uh one last question. Go right, please. Can I get greedy for a minute? Is that the is that the max that they're gonna match? I mean, what is the limit that if we put up such and such and you're gonna get a return for it? I mean, how did we come up with this number? I mean, that you came up with two and a half million. So if we put three, could we get six? Yeah, how does that [2:31:46, 2:31:48]: that work? I want to get greedy. [2:31:48, 2:32:08]: No, sir, there's not really a specified match, but if uh they seem to think that if you commit 50%, then you're that increases your chances of of getting an award. These awards are extremely competitive. Just because we submit an application doesn't mean it'll get funded. But the more you agree to match, [2:32:08, 2:32:18]: then the more likely you are to get some type of funding. So they're recommending 50%. So that's what we're submitting the grant application on. [2:32:18, 2:32:22]: So if we decided to do three million, that could up the number. [2:32:22, 2:32:33]: The ARPA funds are funds, right? I mean, with their funds that were were placed, were given to us by the So we decided to make this number three million. That'll increase the increase the yield. [2:32:33, 2:32:35]: It can easily use. [2:32:35, 2:32:50]: Not necessarily, because like I said, these grants are competitive and you got other cities and governments applying for them as well. So I would think that they're going to try to make these available to as many entities as possible. [2:32:50, 2:32:51]: Okay, thank you. [2:32:52, 2:32:58]: Therefore, I just wanted just to add um to what Mr. Aaron was saying. Um [2:32:58, 2:33:06]: These uh grants um are very competitive. Um the state is looking for those projects that are shovel ready. [2:33:06, 2:33:10]: Um and I believe that list that Mr. Aaron mentioned. [2:33:10, 2:33:11]: those projects. [2:33:11, 2:33:12]: Oh [2:33:12, 2:33:13]: Or could be. [2:33:14, 2:33:15]: Shovel ready. [2:33:15, 2:33:22]: So having that two million dollars on hand to show that we're ready to go, it would be a win-win for us. [2:33:23, 2:33:24]: Uh great. [2:33:24, 2:33:28]: Motion's been made, been seconded. Any further comments? [2:33:28, 2:33:30]: Uh yes, ma'am, William is gent. [2:33:31, 2:33:36]: No comment. I was raised in the boat. Sorry. All in favor, please indicate. [2:33:36, 2:33:42]: Okay, uh unanimous decision. Thank you very much. What we have next, ladies and gentlemen, would be the uh motion. [2:33:42, 2:34:01]: in a sense to extend the moratorium that we had that was going to end at the 30 31st of this month, extended to at least the the 31st of January that coincide with the second hearing and adoption of the UDC and the uh zoning map. So I need a motion excuse me. I need a [2:34:01, 2:34:04]: We need if we have any have the if we have to have any more discussion, we can do that. [2:34:05, 2:34:09]: but that's what I need a motion on if that is the case. If you're willing to I thought we already did that mayor. [2:34:10, 2:34:21]: No, no, we we added it to the agenda. We added to the agenda. We added it to the agenda. We did not uh we did not take a motion or have any discussion on it. Go ahead, Mr. Standby, stand by. Mr. Mr Potem, go ahead. I'm sorry. [2:34:21, 2:34:29]: I I just want again, this is an opportunity to sh what is it? What is it? Do does anybody out there know we assume that we [2:34:29, 2:34:31]: We know what this is. [2:34:31, 2:34:45]: But Howard, could you, Ms. Johnson, could you talk about a little bit of what this is and how this is protecting the city and why it's important to extend the memorandum for the protection of the quality of life in the community? [2:34:47, 2:34:49]: Absolutely. [2:34:50, 2:34:53]: So a moratorium for those who are are watching. [2:34:54, 2:34:57]: Moratorium is a measure that um [2:34:58, 2:34:58]: Um [2:34:58, 2:35:03]: That the each local government city county is given federally. [2:35:04, 2:35:06]: In order to [2:35:07, 2:35:08]: You know, stop and take a moment. [2:35:09, 2:35:15]: review codes because a lot of times we receive requests that don't quite meet our code requirements. [2:35:15, 2:35:22]: And instead of denying something, we want to say, hold on, let's take a look at our current code as it pertains to the request. [2:35:22, 2:35:29]: and let's come up with what that means for us. And we have to do that assessment of quality of life. [2:35:29, 2:35:32]: For our residents, for our businesses as a result. [2:35:33, 2:35:36]: The there have been several moratorium that have been [2:35:37, 2:35:41]: Um approved by the council this year, two of which [2:35:41, 2:35:44]: Um are pertaining to rental. [2:35:44, 2:35:47]: subdivisions for new single family. [2:35:47, 2:35:50]: And also for hookah bars. [2:35:51, 2:35:53]: Cigar bars, cigar lounges, and hoogle lounges. [2:35:54, 2:35:56]: And due to the fact that we [2:35:57, 2:36:02]: Have moved the date for approval for the UDC, the Unified Land Development Code. [2:36:02, 2:36:10]: we have um wanted to we want to extend the moratorium to cover the time frame that they were going to be outstanding. [2:36:11, 2:36:12]: So [2:36:12, 2:36:14]: In that frame of mind. [2:36:15, 2:36:18]: The idea is any moratorium that's in place. [2:36:19, 2:36:25]: you make adjustments of how and the city determines how these particular uses should be allowed. [2:36:26, 2:36:38]: in what districts as a part of the unified development code. And that will be something that we explore um going forward when we bring this back to you in January. So the dates have been set. [2:36:39, 2:36:40]: Consistently. [2:36:41, 2:36:45]: For us to um bring this back to you guys by the end of January. [2:36:46, 2:36:51]: Um in the form of the UDC requirements. And I'll point those out as we do the [2:36:51, 2:36:53]: We make the recommendation in January. [2:36:54, 2:37:06]: Uh sir, just real quick. I I did that's the reason that I wanted that to be explained because we know everybody, not just the Pine View subdivision. [2:37:07, 2:37:09]: That was bought out by [2:37:09, 2:37:12]: A developer and all the homes sold. [2:37:12, 2:37:13]: And turned into rentals. [2:37:14, 2:37:17]: My neighborhood is being overrun by these companies. [2:37:17, 2:37:26]: Buying and renting out homes. Almost everybody all over the city is dealing with these big companies buying up homes. [2:37:27, 2:37:31]: Cash beating out home buyers who desperately want to move here. [2:37:31, 2:37:36]: to rent the property to somebody else. It's disgusting. And that's what's going on out there. [2:37:36, 2:37:56]: This is a critical piece of legislation that, and we're hoping to address this in the ULDC, where a lot of these situations are growing farthered in, but we any new subdivisions coming, we want to have a measure in place to keep what happened to us from happening to anybody else where these companies. [2:37:56, 2:38:03]: can come in and buy a whole neighborhood and make it into a rental community where nobody owns a home. [2:38:03, 2:38:07]: That's not the quality of life that we want in this community. [2:38:07, 2:38:14]: And we've taken a stand. No one can do that to a new subdivision today coming to us because of this moratory. [2:38:15, 2:38:17]: Council uh men Blount, go ahead, please. [2:38:21, 2:38:25]: On a new subdivision that is. On a new subdivision. [2:38:26, 2:38:28]: All right, uh Councilwoman Gantt. [2:38:29, 2:38:31]: Thank you, Mayor. Um [2:38:32, 2:38:47]: I when you look into that, Ms. Johnson, I have some concerns about the the definition of hookah bar slash is the lounges that use hookahs. Um I believe there's some challenges there right now. [2:38:48, 2:38:48]: Where [2:38:49, 2:38:50]: Um [2:38:50, 2:39:10]: And I've heard this from more than one business owner. Um, there might be a restaurant slash lounge or anything of that nature that wants to have hookahs, but they may not necessarily be considered a hookah bar. A hookah bar just has a menu pleather of different hookahs. [2:39:10, 2:39:12]: And different types of [2:39:12, 2:39:24]: I guess hookah, I don't smoke hookahah, so I don't know, but from my understanding, there's a menu of hookah. So let's say at a hookah bar, you might have 20 or 30 different varieties of hookahs, right? [2:39:24, 2:39:33]: at a regular lounge they offer hookah but it's under a certain amount of hookah they might have two or three different [2:39:34, 2:39:39]: flavors or so to call. But right now with our moratorium, the way it's written. [2:39:39, 2:39:51]: it cancels out anyone from having hookahs. And apparently that is a trend within the lounges and the and the club scene that you know our younger generation [2:39:52, 2:39:52]: Uh [2:39:53, 2:40:13]: does this hookah or or whatever the case may be. So I want us to look at maybe a numerical number there so that it will not dispecially those who have tobacco license or whatever the case may be, that it won't affect the necessarily the lounge that has maybe two or three options compared to a [2:40:13, 2:40:14]: Hookah bar. [2:40:14, 2:40:20]: where uh you know a cigar bar or cigar lounge with that just solely that's all they do. [2:40:21, 2:40:24]: Um, I've seen that lately. So if we can kinda [2:40:25, 2:40:32]: See if we can find some type of limits on that and define it to so that the lounges won't get caught up in that rhetoric. [2:40:33, 2:40:41]: Um, you know, with those complications. And I've heard that from at least three or four businesses, at least. [2:40:41, 2:40:42]: Um [2:40:43, 2:40:45]: And so that is a concern. [2:40:45, 2:40:50]: And other than that, in regards to real estate property, um [2:40:51, 2:40:55]: Mm uh mm what Mayor Pro Tem just mentioned, um [2:40:56, 2:41:10]: There's a common trend right now. There was an article done in AJC actually, and there's a common trend right now of different property management companies buying subdivisions or actually building the subdivision with no intention of selling. [2:41:11, 2:41:13]: Their intention is to rent. [2:41:13, 2:41:14]: Um [2:41:14, 2:41:17]: That's an ongoing trend that's just not [2:41:17, 2:41:30]: only here in Stockbridge, but all over the nation going on right now. And I don't know if that's you know apparently there's a high demand for it. There's um research done about millennials. [2:41:30, 2:41:38]: not wanting to purchase but want to rent and and rent for a long period of time, but they don't want an apartment, they want a home, and then they go and they rent somewhere else. [2:41:39, 2:41:45]: And there does need to be limitations. I don't know if that's going to be applicable if it's within our our. [2:41:45, 2:41:49]: jurisdiction to do or if it that's gonna have to be done on a state level. [2:41:50, 2:41:53]: Um are you aware of that, Miss Johnson, or what can be done? [2:41:54, 2:41:59]: Well uh to answer your first question about hookah bars, lounges. [2:41:59, 2:42:19]: Part of the legal review process is going to be to address really case law in regards to hookah bars and lounges. And part of the legal review is to make sure that we're not put having information in our code, which can get us into legal turmoil. So what we would do is make sure we address specifically. [2:42:19, 2:42:28]: Um, what a hookah bar is versus a hookah lounge. And we look at best practices around the region, around the nation, in regards to how those are regulated. [2:42:28, 2:42:48]: And so the the zoning attorneys will make those specific statements, especially with the concern for moratorium being put in place at all. As it pertains to the rental properties for single family detached, you're correct. I mean, this is a constant issue. Um across [2:42:48, 2:42:53]: the region and actually in Henry County I've heard from several of my counterparts. [2:42:53, 2:42:56]: That this is just a a situation that we have to address. [2:42:57, 2:43:17]: Part of what the zoning attorney is going to do is look at and make sure we don't violate federal law, like Fair Housing Act, things like that. So those will be part of this process as the review continues to take place over the next 90 days to ensure that one, we're managing. [2:43:17, 2:43:18]: Yeah. [2:43:18, 2:43:21]: Keeping the the well being and the quality of our [2:43:21, 2:43:27]: of community intact and two making sure we don't violate federal law and [2:43:27, 2:43:30]: Make ourselves susceptible to these lawsuits. [2:43:31, 2:43:41]: So we will address those things specifically. And when we do have the information, we'll I'll make a note to uh bring that specifically to you all when we come back in January to present. [2:43:42, 2:43:47]: Well let me let me clarify. Uh I consider hookabar and lause the same thing. I'm saying [2:43:47, 2:43:57]: a another lounge. Let's say a a lounge that just plays music and have food and and they sell alcohol and they also offer hookahs. [2:43:58, 2:44:01]: Mm-hmm. And I don't go to either. [2:44:01, 2:44:08]: Uh either, but um we will find out for sure what that needs to be. Is what I'm saying. [2:44:08, 2:44:16]: Because right now we're stopping it all. Whereas there's some lounges and there are different places that may want to sell. [2:44:16, 2:44:29]: to offer the service of a few hookah options, but they're not a hookah bar or lounge. But they have they have tobacco license. So they're right now because we have a moratorium, it stops. [2:44:30, 2:44:33]: the lounges from being able to sell [2:44:34, 2:44:39]: the smaller selection of hookahs that they have. And that's what I want our attorneys and that's what I want. [2:44:40, 2:44:46]: um looked into how do we differentiate based off of a number or menu or whatever the case may be. [2:44:46, 2:44:52]: That's the error that in the problem that I'm seeing right now. And that's coming from [2:44:53, 2:44:55]: I think about four different businesses. [2:44:57, 2:45:00]: Definitely something we'll look into uh legal speaking. Definitely do that. [2:45:01, 2:45:03]: Councilman Blount, go ahead, please. [2:45:04, 2:45:10]: Yeah, those those have a lot of those concerns have come my way also because we established what it is about tobacco. [2:45:11, 2:45:15]: And we established that hookahs and vapes are two separate entities. [2:45:16, 2:45:16]: And so [2:45:18, 2:45:20]: But to differentiate [2:45:20, 2:45:25]: All three in his categories. Uh when can we because the [2:45:25, 2:45:27]: If something is defined. [2:45:28, 2:45:36]: Then we as a city have to figure out a way to enforce it. So when will we get something back from you, Ms. Johnson, on on the on defining those uh entities? [2:45:38, 2:45:45]: It's just part of what we'll do to you know get with the legal team once they have had an opportunity to review and provide those specifically. [2:45:45, 2:45:51]: Um then we'll be able to provide that to you all. We think it'll most certainly be before January twenty fifth. [2:45:52, 2:45:55]: Cause of course we want to get the draft to you all to review. [2:45:55, 2:45:56]: Um prior to that time. [2:45:58, 2:45:58]: Thank you. [2:45:59, 2:46:00]: Absolutely. [2:46:00, 2:46:10]: Are there any other questions? And if not, I need a motion to go ahead and extend this moratorium to at least the thirty-first of January, 2023. [2:46:10, 2:46:17]: Move Ms. Blount. Okay, got Mr. Maripotem. Uh made the motion. Mr. Blount, do you second that motion, sir? [2:46:17, 2:46:20]: Okay, good deal. Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [2:46:21, 2:46:28]: Namaste decision. Thank you very much. All right. Now I'll go on to uh my comments. First of all, of course, um [2:46:28, 2:46:33]: October is breast cancer awareness month and also domestic violence awareness month as well. [2:46:33, 2:46:53]: And so and I read those proclamations that are meeting earlier this this month, uh council regular council meeting. So I am wearing purple to honor domestic violence uh awareness month this time as I wore pink the last meeting. So I want to cover that in that aspect. And so thank you very much for that um in that aspect there. So let's see here. [2:46:53, 2:47:00]: We had an outstanding second concert with Freddie Jackson and with Chuka Khan this past Saturday. [2:47:00, 2:47:07]: It wasn't quite a sold-out like our grand opening, but uh obviously we had a good time in this aspect. That is the last concert. [2:47:07, 2:47:27]: uh this particular uh year, this season. And the management companies is working towards at least 12 to 14 concerts for next season, which will start as is right now the mid-March to the end of October. So different types of music will be coming and council you'll get a we'll get a chance to uh get an idea of what those dates and those [2:47:27, 2:47:30]: acts are and assume here about that. [2:47:30, 2:47:50]: So the the the venue is dormant now for several months. And so there'll be some things, so adjustments they go with the amphitheater, some things that the management company is gonna come to us for to make things even better, streamline the whole process of the uh concert uh experience. And also there, as Mr. Blount had uh mentioned before, uh [2:47:50, 2:48:08]: in the sense that uh there will be some construction things going on as well with road improvements to help with the traffic flow in and out of the concert when uh in this aspect as well. So uh so you'll get a chance to uh see those and and review those and approve those particular projects here very shortly, council on that note. [2:48:08, 2:48:28]: Congratulations to the National League champions, the Atlanta Braves. I have no idea what they're doing tonight. I know in their game tonight, so I have no idea whether or not they're winning or not. I don't know if anybody else knows that. But I wish them well, of course, as I imagine you do, you also do. [2:48:28, 2:48:29]: Yeah. [2:48:29, 2:48:34]: It's long overdue. I think things plenty plenty uh what, twenty plus years, I guess, since they b last band or one. [2:48:35, 2:48:36]: Two Nathan Bridge. [2:48:37, 2:48:49]: Two nothing Braves. There you go. All right. So so take care of them Astros, Braves. Do it. So I'm I'm pretty sure everybody's supporting our home team and that they become a World Series champions in that aspect as well. [2:48:50, 2:49:10]: You know, ladies and gentlemen, it's your constitutional right to vote. And so we have uh elections uh uh early early voting going on right now until the 30th, and then of course election days on the on the second. So after municipal elections, so use your constitutional right. Plenty of people gave the blood, sweat, and tears in their lives for your constitutional right. Besides voting on the municipal election, [2:49:10, 2:49:15]: T S Plus, you need to vote T S PLOS and say yes to T S PLOS extremely important. [2:49:17, 2:49:20]: If you say yes, which I hope that the citizens of the county do that. [2:49:20, 2:49:40]: That's roughly$245 million for the county itself and it gives the city of Stockbridge$30.5 million over five-year period. And we can take that$30.5 million and do plenty of road improvements, expansion of the Rock Croix Road. And we can do some road improvements on Eagles Land and Hudson Bridge. We can also [2:49:40, 2:49:59]: Also take the underserved communities of Stockbridge and put in roads, well improve the roads, but put in sidewalks and gutter and pedestrian walkways and a trail network. We want to have a trail network so we can connect communities to one another and connect communities to the downtown area. [2:49:59, 2:50:19]: Downtown area, of course, our vision is to have that entertainment section, entertainment area, tourist attraction. We got the amphitheater there. So what we want to do is we want to have make sure over the bridge that goes over Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail and the railroad tracks there. We want to make sure we have a pedestrian asset assigned to that bridge so you can walk from the east side. [2:50:19, 2:50:37]: to the west side without getting hit by a car. You can do it safely. You can travel about. You can go from the amphitheater to the entertainment area of downtown. That's part of the vision, folks. So we need that. And a lot of different streets within the city that we want to improve those roads. And we can do that with a yes vote. [2:50:37, 2:50:39]: When from you when you go vote. [2:50:39, 2:50:59]: On in that aspect, we can do that. We can do it in five years. If we do not pass this countywide, we can eventually get all these things done, but it's going to take probably 15 years or longer. So please vote yes. And matter of fact, uh, on Tuesday, election day, you go to your normal uh site, whether it's the stock. [2:50:59, 2:51:17]: Andor Red Oak. Now I want to make sure I'm accurate on that for the county, for the city and the county, Miss Holliday. On the election on election day, since you're our election supervisor for a state on November 2nd, where do people need to go to make sure to cover this down? Ms. Holliday, please. [2:51:17, 2:51:26]: In the city of Stockbridge, you will be voting on your mayor and council members at Red Oak United Methodist Church. [2:51:26, 2:51:31]: Stockbridge First United Methodist Church and the Merrill Manders Conference Center. [2:51:31, 2:51:33]: If those are also your county. [2:51:34, 2:51:37]: Voting locations, you will be able to make both of those. [2:51:37, 2:51:40]: uh choices for the tea splots and your [2:51:41, 2:51:42]: Municipal. [2:51:42, 2:51:47]: uh candidates in the same location. If that is not your county [2:51:47, 2:51:54]: voting place, you will have to go to your neighborhood voting location to vote for the T Splots. [2:51:56, 2:51:57]: I believe I've covered it, Mayor. [2:51:57, 2:52:17]: Okay, and of course, everything is on our website, it's Starberry's website. We'll take a look at that. And uh please folks go out and vote. We need to we need to say yes, yes to T Splash. And one other thing I'd like to mention to you tonight is that of course we're still in a pandemic. All right. So Red Hawk Field, you can go get tested for COVID-19 on all these variants. All right. [2:52:17, 2:52:31]: All right, and that's located at 143 Henry Parkway, free of charge from 9 a.m. to 3 PM and on Tuesdays through Thursdays. Okay, please do that. And also you can get tested and or even take the vaccination. [2:52:32, 2:52:43]: at uh the public health department. And you can do that by making a reservation, going in, call them, make a reservation, or just walk it and walk into the public health department, which is also located on Henry Parkway in Madonna. [2:52:43, 2:53:03]: That is 800-847-4262. 800-847-4262. Now I would imagine as time goes on, this the boosters are going to start being available for folks in this aspect. So if you're already taking the vaccination, you need a booster, your time is coming. Please do so to get yourself, keep yourself safe. And of course, all the providers. [2:53:03, 2:53:22]: Providers for the vaccination are working on vaccinations for our young folks, for our kids, our children, grade school and high school kids. So that we're gonna please keep up with that. And hopefully, adults, you'll get your children vaccinated so they can continue to be healthy and not spread this virus and keep you healthy in the process. [2:53:22, 2:53:24]: It it as well in this aspect. [2:53:24, 2:53:30]: So continue to look forward to that and continue to be advocates of please getting the vaccination and get tested. [2:53:31, 2:53:35]: And of course after you get tested and find out you're negative, go get the vaccination. [2:53:35, 2:53:46]: Um on that note, oh and by the way, the numbers are going down, so hopefully they'll continue to go down during the Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's holiday. Hopefully it will continue to go down. [2:53:46, 2:53:51]: And things uh there's uh things are going down and getting better, whereas Piemont Henry's not getting oversaturated. [2:53:52, 2:53:59]: With individuals in ICO or ICU or people on ventilators, but we want to keep it that way. We want to keep dropping this. And the best way to do this is get vaccinated. [2:54:00, 2:54:08]: On that note, I'll continue on with city council with announcement. City Council meeting 6 p.m. by way of Zoom, the second Monday of each month, which is November 8th. [2:54:09, 2:54:15]: The U council meetings is the at 530 by way of Zoom, second Wednesday of each month. And the next one is November 10th. [2:54:16, 2:54:23]: The Main Street Advisory Board meeting is second Friday of each month, 9 a.m. away of Zoom, which is November 12th. [2:54:23, 2:54:30]: Downtown Development Downtown Development Authority meeting 6 p.m. by way of Zoom, third Tuesday of each month, which is November 16th. [2:54:30, 2:54:36]: Youth Council and Advisory Meeting, 6:30 by way of Zoom, third Tuesday of each month, which is uh November sixteenth. [2:54:36, 2:54:43]: Our next city council work session by way of Zune, the last Tuesday of each month, which is actually November 30th, right after Thanksgiving. [2:54:44, 2:54:50]: And a planning commission meeting at 6 30 by way of Zoom. And it's the revised date for that is December 2nd. [2:54:51, 2:54:53]: Stockbridge annual Veterans Day virtual event. [2:54:54, 2:55:00]: will be Thursday, November 11th, 11 AM, uh Facebook Live and YouTube. [2:55:00, 2:55:05]: And so uh check with your events page uh for more information at the city of Stockbridge. [2:55:05, 2:55:16]: And we have a salute to veterans. Please four pictures of veterans, including name, rank, uh, branch, years of service to Councilman Thomas, as he presents a special tribute to our local veterans. [2:55:16, 2:55:32]: Pictures should be submitted to uh Z Pearson at the city of Stockbridge dash G A.gov. Once again as Z Pearson uh at city of Stockbridge dash G A dot Gov. Uh Zenobia is our assistant to the Marin Council. [2:55:33, 2:55:35]: Submit those no later than November fifth. [2:55:35, 2:55:38]: And of course, thank you for your service in this aspect as well. [2:55:39, 2:55:44]: We also have an opportunity to meet the mayor and voice your questions and concerns on Monday, November twenty second. [2:55:44, 2:55:54]: for 10 a.m. to noon and you can schedule that by calling 770-389-7900 and talk with uh Miss uh Zenobia Pearson about that as well. [2:55:55, 2:56:15]: Support our small local businesses during the entire month of November with special emphasis on Shop Small Saturday, which is November 27th, which is right after Thanksgiving. And okay, small businesses owner, small business owners can register to participate in the Stock Bridge Small Business Blitz and Small Business Saturday by contacting. [2:56:15, 2:56:18]: in the Main Street program office at Main Street. [2:56:19, 2:56:39]: at at city of stopbridge dash ga.gov. Once again Main Street at city of stopbridge dash GA dot gov or contacting Lisa Fare at 6783 3325. Once again Lisa Faree at 678 833 3325. [2:56:38, 2:56:58]: interested in participating in Stockbridge Small Business Blitz and Small Business Saturday are encouraged to attend the annual Small Business Idea Smash on Thursday, November 4th at 6 p.m. by way of Zoom. And once again, check the city's Main Street website on the city events page to get more information about that as well. [2:56:58, 2:57:04]: On that note, uh council, do we have an executive session uh issue? Yes, ma'am. [2:57:05, 2:57:25]: Sorry, if if I may, um I have a fall festival coming up on this Saturday. Um it's from 12 to 4. It's a family fun event. We have a lot of prizes, um some old good old-fashioned fall festival. We're gonna have a costume contest for different age groups. Um [2:57:25, 2:57:29]: Greg Street is our DJ from B103 and [2:57:30, 2:57:50]: Um I have I believe it's just going to be a really good time, a lot of candy and some great vendors and just something to bring the community together. Um make sure you come out. It's at the Clark Park, uh, which is right by Merrill Manders. And it's from 12 to 4 Saturday. I I think everyone will have an [2:57:50, 2:58:00]: Awesome time. We have some rides. We have some, you name it. So I look forward to seeing you there. Um, if you can attend, um, I also um [2:58:01, 2:58:21]: And Alpha Kappa Alpha, Sorority Incorporated, Psi Alpha Omega chapter. That's the Henry County Clayton chapter, chapter that I'm a part of, will also be present. And we're asking, they are asking for the c they're collecting old eyeglasses. Old eyeglasses. They've partnered with, we have partnered. [2:58:21, 2:58:39]: partnered with the Lions Club. And they're collecting old eyeglasses. So if you have any old eyeglasses, please come by. It's a for a great cause. They have agreed to partner with me and actually be present for that. So thank you to my Sol Roars. [2:58:39, 2:58:56]: But more importantly, thank you to all the community that will be participating. And this is just gonna be a fun, fun event. I want us to have some fun. Some cake, we're gonna have a cakewalk and music and walk and candy and you name it. Um just a good time. So [2:58:56, 2:58:57]: Please come and join us. [2:58:57, 2:59:02]: Okay, thank you. Councilwoman Barber, I'm sorry, I I missed yours as well. You have something still going on, ma'am? [2:59:04, 2:59:07]: Yes, Zumba every Saturday at Clark. [2:59:08, 2:59:10]: At eight AM to nine a.m. [2:59:11, 2:59:12]: It's out of it. [2:59:12, 2:59:14]: Councilman Blount, go ahead, sir. [2:59:14, 2:59:20]: Yeah, I just wanted to say, Mayor, since he was talking about the events in November, that uh we have it in the Noel in November is gonna be uh [2:59:21, 2:59:23]: On November the eighteenth, which is um [2:59:23, 2:59:26]: A toy drive and we partner in um [2:59:26, 2:59:40]: partnering with uh we we do it with uh Stevie G and the Rockers, the Vintage Viction's gonna be there, live music, games for kids, and we're we're collecting unwrapped uh t new toys, uh toy drive for kids. Also um [2:59:40, 2:59:42]: Um got a question. [2:59:42, 2:59:43]: Um [2:59:44, 2:59:51]: Chief Trainber mentioned of an event on the sixth at the Merrill Manders. Are are we opening the Merrill Manders now? [2:59:51, 2:59:52]: Just a question. [2:59:53, 3:00:13]: But it's gonna be open on that day for him to have his meeting with the community. And the requirement would be, of course, to have mass and we'll separate individuals and uh spread out in this nature and this aspect. And of course, that's the first one. The second one he plans to have, of course, by the reverbal. And I believe that's on the 16th of the month. [3:00:13, 3:00:20]: And uh so in that aspect, yes, it we're open it for that specific event. And and it was mentioned earlier. [3:00:21, 3:00:40]: Uh actually Mayor Pro Tem did this earlier, but it was mentioned earlier that I also had a District 3 South meeting a couple several months or so ago, a listing session with GMA. And we did that at the exact same time as well, where we spread out and wore masks for that as well. Um I didn't mean to answer for the chief, but uh he's online. I don't know if you need to add anything else or not. [3:00:40, 3:00:54]: uh uh for the comment for your question. But um that that's what's happening for that, sir. You got something else, sir. Go ahead. Yeah, just a follow up. Uh yeah, the the the Noel in November, like I said, is a toy drive and it's a lot, you know, we just want to invite every, you know, the community out. [3:00:54, 3:00:58]: Uh Chief Chairman, um forgive me if I didn't, but I thank you for your presentation. [3:00:58, 3:01:11]: uh that you gave the uh counselor today. Uh I do thank you for that, sir. Uh but it is gonna be on November the 18th. Uh I think it's from five to five to seven, I believe it is. [3:01:11, 3:01:16]: I have to look back on the calendar, but it we got other information coming out soon and gonna be posted on it. But Noel in November. [3:01:17, 3:01:21]: A good deal. Okay, seems like Mare Pro Tem, you got something sir before we close out. [3:01:21, 3:01:41]: Yeah, my uh I want everybody to join me for our town hall uh Thursday night at eight o'clock. So you can actually hear about a hundred million dollars in investment that has been made in the city of Stockbridge over the last few years, even during the pandemic. Uh, you know, we could do a much better job of getting [3:01:41, 3:01:47]: out the information about new businesses that are investing millions of dollars in the community. [3:01:48, 3:01:50]: And you have a chance to hear. [3:01:50, 3:01:52]: Uh from those business owners. [3:01:52, 3:01:54]: And in their own words on why [3:01:55, 3:02:00]: They chose to invest millions of dollars uh in the city of Stockbridge, bolstering [3:02:00, 3:02:20]: The economy. You will also be able to learn about the uh developments that are uh ongoing uh by these uh tremendous business folks. You will also get to understand how serious the traffic will break down uh the traffic projects and what's going on and your opportunity to actually vote. [3:02:20, 3:02:26]: vote in the most important election uh of your lifetime in terms of transportation here. [3:02:26, 3:02:28]: In Henry County, as the mayor said. [3:02:29, 3:02:32]: It's critical on the T splass and we'll actually go into [3:02:33, 3:02:34]: The project detail [3:02:34, 3:02:38]: uh on this town hall so we can uh completely understand. [3:02:38, 3:02:42]: That we're serious about a building Atlanta belt line type trail system. [3:02:42, 3:02:44]: And we're also serious about. [3:02:44, 3:02:46]: Winding rock quarry road. [3:02:47, 3:02:56]: Uh and and fixing the traffic that you complain about every single day will be a full update. So join us Thursday at eight o'clock on Facebook. [3:02:57, 3:03:01]: All right. Appreciate all the all the messages, all those events that coming on. I do not [3:03:02, 3:03:06]: Uh councilman Thomas Player, sir. Yeah, just briefly uh please join me and [3:03:06, 3:03:08]: The Cargran Library. [3:03:08, 3:03:14]: uh on Berk Street for Halloween festivities uh on Thursday. Thank you. [3:03:15, 3:03:31]: Fantastic. And by the way, on that note, everybody please have a safe uh holiday events, all your events in your community in this aspect as well. And don't eat too much candy, right? In this aspect. But uh on that note, uh the attorneys don't have anything that they know of for executive session. So I asked the council, we have anything with executive session or not? [3:03:32, 3:03:33]: Yes or no? [3:03:33, 3:03:42]: Move to adjourn. Okay, so I need okay, motion to adjourn and Mirapal Tim, seconded by uh Councilman Blount. All in favor, please indicate. [3:03:43, 3:03:53]: It's Unancy and we stand adjourned. God bless you all. Thank you. It's Unancy Sizion. Good night, everybody. Have a good time.