2024-05-28 · City Council · Transcript · Work Session

--- title: Work Session date: 2024-05-28 source: 2024-05-28_Work_Session.wav --- [0:04:19, 0:04:28]: I pray for this council meeting, the city of Stockbridge and all of its members. Give the council members wisdom and guidance as they deliberate on items before them. [0:04:29, 0:04:30]: The presenter is the [0:04:34, 0:04:35]: Every decision we break. [0:04:41, 0:04:44]: Amen. Pledge allegiance here. [0:04:44, 0:04:55]: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, invisible liberty and justice for all. [0:04:56, 0:04:57]: Roll call, Madam Clerk, please. [0:05:03, 0:05:04]: Present. [0:05:05, 0:05:10]: Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilwoman Barrett. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. [0:05:11, 0:05:15]: Let the record reflect Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Tom. [0:05:15, 0:05:16]: Right. [0:05:17, 0:05:20]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:05:22, 0:05:42]: M miss Miss Barber. So I'll move that. Mr. Alzheimer's second that all in favor please indicate. Thank you very much. And uh council before you had reviewed the minutes of the draft uh draft minutes there for our council meeting on May thirteenth. Review those and we'll be able to approve those minutes at our next uh council meeting next month. On that note, uh [0:05:42, 0:05:45]: Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments? [0:05:46, 0:05:54]: Okay, thank you very much. Appreciate that. New business council review and consideration of the TAD downtown rendering. Mr. Gardner, please. [0:06:07, 0:06:27]: Good evening, man, council. Hopefully you guys can hear me. Unfortunate. I went to Florida for a tournament and came back with a virus. So I apologize. Yes, sir. Only reason why I'm here is because I had these items on the agenda. Otherwise, I'd still be at home. Um what you hope before you [0:06:27, 0:06:47]: you uh man counsel uh some of the renderings that you know we were told that we needed to to present to henry county board of commissioners um we've been working and refining them working with the with the architectural firm to actually get the get it the renderings done and as you can see it gives you an idea [0:06:47, 0:07:07]: Of the intersection. The first rendering that you have gives you an overview of what's gonna happen to the three acres across the street from City Hall. Um, this is the intersection of Eastern Ladder Road and Highway 138, North Henry Boulevard. And as you go north, you'll be heading pointing north. [0:07:07, 0:07:16]: on on Eastern Ladder Road. So it's a multi story mixed use development. It'll be on that on that site. [0:07:17, 0:07:36]: Across from City Hall and you can see past City Hall there's a second secondary building, um roughly about four three to four stories. That's also gonna be uh residential mixed use development as well. And then further from that is a parking lot. Um if you turn to your second page, you will see the overall plan. [0:07:36, 0:07:40]: for the reuse, adaptive reuse of our city properties. [0:07:41, 0:07:42]: And [0:07:42, 0:07:43]: In the plan. [0:07:44, 0:08:04]: You can see where City Hall is. It's a crude rendering of City Hall, but it's there. Um the mixed use development by five, designated as number five, and you'll have a a ski uh a legend that's to your to your right, keynote legend, I'll give you a good idea of uh what those are. So those are your mixed use development. There's an opportunity for us to [0:08:04, 0:08:24]: Take this this rendering reflects about three parking spaces, parking decks. Right. And if we do the TAD, those will be some of the funding areas that we'd be funding for TID. So I'll run some basic numbers and I will present those to you before we go to Henry County, but I'm refining them with our FA. [0:08:24, 0:08:44]: Um, but that'll give us ideas. About close to about$30 million of of infrastructure investment that would be a part of what uh we estimate between$170 to$225 million project. And so with that, uh and then the second, the third review. [0:08:44, 0:08:47]: [528.5, 547.2]: And that's a view of you directly behind the old Ted Strickland building, the economic development building where the courtyard is, and looking back towards uh North Henry Boulevard and that area there takes into account some of the renderings from the RSVP plan. [0:09:09, 0:09:21]: But it just gives you a different scape a s uh streetscape and scale of uh mixed use development, two story mixed use development, an opportunity to bring more people downtown, but also to expand on our commercial uses. [0:09:24, 0:09:43]: And with that, I just wanted to give you ideas. This is what we're gonna be presenting to the Henry County Board of Commissioners and the School Board to get approval to move forward. Um this is what we were told from the chair lady that she wanted to see. Is that overall master plan and what we're projecting? I will say that [0:09:43, 0:10:03]: Um and this will be held as when you guys meet as the Urban Redevelopment Authority that we have a strong offer in and we were going over that plan uh last week, uh Tuesday before I left. Um Mr. Gardner, I can't hear you. I'm sorry, I d I don't want to take my mask off because I don't want to spread my virus. [0:10:03, 0:10:22]: Um I said that we do have when we meet as an urban redevelopment authority, hopefully very soon, we do have a strong proposal for the development of all of these properties um from a consultant group. And uh I'll go over that. I think I presented that proposal to you guys so we went back, refined it. [0:10:22, 0:10:25]: But um we'll be bringing that back to you as soon as they send us the new [0:10:26, 0:10:27]: New documents. [0:10:27, 0:10:31]: So there's strong interest in making this project and a few others happen. [0:10:32, 0:10:39]: Curry, obviously, I maybe I might have missed it. What what are the proposed dates to talk to bring this to the the uh commissioners and then the school board? [0:10:40, 0:10:55]: So once you guys say you guys are good with it, I'll be meeting with Sherry Matthews to get on their calendar. And once that date is announced I'll let everybody know. And she's seen a sneak peek of this and was very impressed by what we're doing. [0:10:55, 0:11:01]: So we have to go to commissioners first and then to the school board. Yes, sir. That's the route. All right. Mr. Azna, go ahead, please. [0:11:01, 0:11:06]: Yeah, so uh is what we're seeing right now is not visible to the people watching, though. [0:11:10, 0:11:30]: Yes, I think uh it's very important. This is uh some amazing renderings uh that the public really needs to see of uh things that are going on. This is so realistic because you got the city hall in there, they can see what the uh new proposed development would actually look like. [0:11:30, 0:11:50]: And then uh there's some concern about parking. You can see the parking deck, the proposed parking deck, and all of this uh laid out uh in a proposed layout and the value uh of uh all parties coming to the table because this would be some exemplary development that we have never [0:11:50, 0:12:10]: uh seen before uh in our particular area. So certainly I would like to see the public to be able to take a look at this. And I know I don't want you to go into too much detail because of how you your your your current condition, but I I just wanted to just reiterate again this is not just [0:12:10, 0:12:22]: a futuristic kind of thing. This is actually attainable and there are potential suitors at the table who may be very well uh propositioned to do that uh should we move forward. [0:12:24, 0:12:24]: Yes, sir. [0:12:26, 0:12:35]: Or thank you. M Ms Barber, go ahead please. I do um wanna suggest or perhaps you are already considering having some town halls. [0:12:36, 0:12:52]: To answer questions regarding the homeowners and businesses that are in the area. I certainly support redeveloping and revitalizing our downtown, but it's still important to me for those homeowners and business owners who are. [0:12:53, 0:12:58]: in the mediate area of this and will be affected by it positively or negatively. [0:13:00, 0:13:07]: Do you have um have you considered hosting some forums or town halls or something to share this information? [0:13:08, 0:13:19]: Oh yes. Um once we go to the county commissioners, uh unless you guys want me to do it before then, um definitely uh we could we'll open it up for public public cons [0:13:19, 0:13:30]: I said yes, we can definitely do that and open it up for public public view and comment. Um do y'all wanna do that before we go to the county or after? Before? [0:13:31, 0:13:45]: Well, I would I would th I mean I would think we'll do it after after we get approval from the county and then you go open it up to the public. That's what I would think. But well you got a council here so they can make up their mind how they want to handle that. Considering this is the district that I represent. [0:13:46, 0:13:50]: А спіккова інтерс атаки, аллерс і не з арія. [0:13:50, 0:14:03]: And before I will vote on anything, this is just a presentation today, correct? It's it's a presentation and we wanna make sure we wanna go I want you all to see what's going to be presented to the Henry County Board of Commissioners. [0:14:03, 0:14:09]: So that's why I put it in the bring this back at the next meeting or a future meeting for us to vote on it? [0:14:10, 0:14:26]: Uh no, that's why I asked for it to be reviewed and considered so we can get to the county commissioners because remember we do have folks out there who want to do this project. The key is making sure we get consent from the county because without it it's our tit is dead if we don't get consent. But [0:14:27, 0:14:45]: Um we could do some town hall meetings in the next week or two. I'll try to get some something on the schedule. That way we can get we can get some public input. Hopefully before we I guess within the next two weeks we should be able to do put some notices out and and hold a town hall meeting here or at the Murraymanders. [0:14:46, 0:15:00]: That's not that's not'cause people need to understand, yes, this is what's come potentially what's coming. Um and understand that yes, um it's going to be a change, obviously, and what that change would look like and the benefits thereof. [0:15:01, 0:15:09]: So yes, I'm I'm fine with us doing it. Uh I will get with Sherry tomorrow. Um I won't be in the office, but I'll give her a call. [0:15:09, 0:15:18]: I'll give Ms. Matthews a call, find out when we can meet, and if she give me that date, I can schedule something in between for a public town hall meeting in between. And I'll let you guys know. [0:15:19, 0:15:39]: Thank you, sir. Yes, ma'am. Mr. Hassan, go ahead, please. Yeah, I just want to reiterate this is a very high level kind of thing. It's not uh the detail a lot of the details will be filled in uh as we kind of go along with the process. And there is room for uh tinkering should there be some public input. [0:15:39, 0:15:41]: At that at that time, correct? [0:15:41, 0:16:01]: Yeah, yeah. Um so it's a it's a it's it's it's a plan that can be navigated uh contingent upon uh that public feedback when we get it. So it's not written in stone, correct? That that is correct. And you know, as much as we we we we put this in place, um you'll see some elevation differences. [0:16:01, 0:16:12]: difference when the developer brings a project in. You see it'll be some differences in there. Um, but for the most part, it's going to be a a mixed use building that's gonna be about four to five stories tall. [0:16:13, 0:16:32]: Uh absolutely and certainly uh I I think uh what we want to do is to make sure that we get as get the parties on board, which is the city which is the county and then the school board to understand. And I think what has really happened is folks need to understand that zero sum game which is [0:16:33, 0:16:53]: In the current condition or the former condition that was in, there was no gain to be had. And should all players participate in moving forward with the enhanced redevelopment, then there will be some reinvestment in the area. Citizens are always concerned about uh infrastructure. And as you said, this project would include. [0:16:53, 0:17:13]: How much$30 million or so in infrastructure enhancements, which uh the public has uh in addition to what we've already done uh in terms of uh the um stormwater and everything on the amphitheater campus. So what you're positioning right there is in the background, that's the part. [0:17:13, 0:17:33]: Parking garage, correct? Yeah. So the parking garage would be back here. Right. On the amphitheater parking lot campus, which wouldn't take up any additional space. As a matter of fact, it would tighten the parking to where that section would be it that paved section would actually already be um it would. [0:17:33, 0:17:53]: It would already be a paved section. You'd just be going vertical. Yes. So there's no stormwater impact from that because it's already impervious surface. So whether impervious surface is three stories or four stories or one story is still impervious surface. The water's gonna hit the top and drain down just like it does. So there'll be no need to change any of the detention for the water. [0:17:53, 0:18:13]: facilities in the project because we're t we're dealing with imperv existing impervious surface. We're not changing those dynamics anyway. Now last thing I'm gonna say with all due respect, Ms. Barber, we all love this area. We do. We we listen to the citizens that live here as as as as same as you do. And [0:18:13, 0:18:33]: And we value what their opinions are and try to um bring them what they want. We've been doing that now, I know myself for eight years, Councilman Thomas probably about twelve, mayor's about twelve. So certainly I don't wanna make it seem like we uh do not want to take into consideration what the citizens are doing because this process is being [0:18:32, 0:18:41]: Ongoing now for years. Before I arrived in at probably after I leave, this process has been going on with many of [0:18:41, 0:19:00]: uh involvement in the public with the ARC has had a lot of put input in how we got to this point and certainly we want to make sure that they're at the table uh as we go forward. But certainly we all share your sentiments that we want to make sure that we build the best downtown uh that is possible. [0:19:00, 0:19:14]: for everybody in Stockbridge because I want my district five residents to come down here and enjoy this and these residents voted for many of us and during citywide elections and trusted us with the care of the downtown area. [0:19:15, 0:19:16]: You're going, Ms. Barber. [0:19:17, 0:19:29]: Um, thank you. I appreciate that. And I hope that you all will keep the residents in the forefront of your minds while you're making decisions um in this particular area. [0:19:30, 0:19:32]: А вас електричто репрезентні інтерсфатю. [0:19:33, 0:19:35]: Not just my interest. [0:19:35, 0:19:39]: Of course, I support revitalizing the downtown area. [0:19:40, 0:19:42]: But I also know that there is an impact. [0:19:43, 0:19:45]: To the stakeholders in the area. [0:19:45, 0:19:46]: Have to consider that. [0:19:47, 0:19:49]: I have the unique responsibility. [0:19:49, 0:19:56]: Of caring for the interests, the needs, the desires of those who are farthest east and farthest north. [0:19:56, 0:19:58]: And everything in between. [0:19:59, 0:20:06]: Absolutely. I am going to vote their interests, not mine. Now I do have a question though, Mr. Gardner. [0:20:07, 0:20:11]: Some of these areas are shaded yellow. Mm-hmm. Some of them are [0:20:11, 0:20:12]: There are three. [0:20:13, 0:20:16]: different shades of yellow. So I need to understand um [0:20:17, 0:20:21]: Bryant street and some of the other side streets here. [0:20:21, 0:20:38]: All right, so y can you see you can see the cursor? Yes, sir. Alright, so that's Lee Street. Mm-hmm. That's North Lee Street. Um, that's Chris Away right there. As it comes through the amphitheater and connects to East Atlanta Road. [0:20:40, 0:20:50]: That's North Henry Boulevard. That's Norfolk Southerns Railroad right there. That is Lee Street. This is Brooke. [0:20:51, 0:21:11]: Oh Love, Love Street. Love. Love Street. I'm sorry. Love Street here. Right. This is Burke. This is MLK in here. And w what this is this is showing you guys is expanding some of the parking, which is another project that's coming up. But this is Burke Street. That's MLK. And we [0:21:11, 0:21:31]: Where you see the number renderings is where new buildings will be, where you see number renderings. So the numbers denote new buildings being added over time because s some of this is still in pup in private hands. So this is not something that's gonna happen overnight, but some of it where we own property can happen fairly quickly. [0:21:31, 0:21:51]: Um three acres, the already existing site for um the amphitheater. Um behind us, there's a potential for a parking deck there. Um they're making those improvements. But those the number buildings are the buildings that'll be brand new to the area. So in essence, rather than having a downtown of [0:21:51, 0:21:56]: Roughly twelve buildings will have a complete somewhat downtown. [0:21:57, 0:22:00]: So what impact though to Bryant Street? [0:22:01, 0:22:21]: I see some of the areas are shaded in yellow. So what does that mean? So th yeah, this is a bad photo, unfortunate. When you photo when you copy a copy, that's what happens. Um so Bryant Street is right here. Mm-hmm. That's Bryant. So there's nothing happening. Those are the existing houses on Bryant. [0:22:22, 0:22:26]: But they're shaded. Why d yes, they're denoted because their structures [0:22:27, 0:22:36]: So all structures have a color. The more intense yellow is what you see with a number are new. Everything else is existing. Gotcha. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. [0:22:37, 0:22:41]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Thank you, Mr. Garner. Um [0:22:43, 0:23:01]: The only concern I really have is toward the council. I just wanna make sure that we are in agreement, that we do understand, even when I look at the legend and strategically putting [0:23:01, 0:23:04]: This here, putting this there, putting this here. [0:23:04, 0:23:06]: I just wanna make sure [0:23:06, 0:23:10]: That we're all in agreement and we understand strategically. [0:23:11, 0:23:14]: Um, where everything sort of like a puzzle, if you will. [0:23:15, 0:23:20]: where everything is gonna be placed and we're okay with that because once you [0:23:20, 0:23:24]: put the shovel in the ground and the bulldozers are running. [0:23:24, 0:23:33]: It's it's sort of too late. And I and I say that from a a reference of experience, and I won't get too deep into the the the construction. [0:23:33, 0:23:34]: Of the amphitheater. [0:23:34, 0:23:38]: But in hindsight, and we didn't know, but in hindsight [0:23:39, 0:23:41]: I think we probably could have. [0:23:42, 0:24:02]: put something somewhere else or something somewhere else and those kind of thing. So I just want to make sure uh from the council standpoint that we all are in agreement with the legend and where everything is located uh strategically, traffic control with parking decks and other parks. [0:24:02, 0:24:03]: Yeah. [0:24:03, 0:24:06]: Uh the residential development is that the [0:24:06, 0:24:26]: place where it needs to go, those kind of thing. And I think then once we as a council say, okay, we okay, then I think then we go to the next step. And I know the purpose tonight. And I think this is the first time we really sort of going into this, and which is okay. But I just wanna make sure we as a council are in agreement [0:24:26, 0:24:46]: with how we how it's laid out and we think this is a great legend, this is a great plan. And then we sort of go forward. So and I've heard from some council members. And I know there are some some questions, but that just sort of where I am. I think we're all in favor of developing our downtown. And for me and my perspective. [0:24:46, 0:25:00]: even though we have district, but you know, I represent everybody. And because when we vote, so it's not one council person does not dictate what happens. [0:25:00, 0:25:07]: It takes all of us to vote. So I that's my perspective. I look at everything. It doesn't matter what district it's in. [0:25:07, 0:25:27]: uh we all are accountable to this whole set of stock bridge. And we have to just make sure that whatever we do in the City of Stockbridge, it is pleasing to everybody and we all feel comfortable in raising our hand and voting in favor or against something. And I understand, you know, the whole district concept, but [0:25:27, 0:25:34]: Um, citizens hold all of us accountable for everything that we do. And that's that's how I look at it. I just want to make sure. [0:25:35, 0:25:48]: 'Cause this is a very, very important step we're getting ready to take. And you talking about changing uh a new look for our downtown, this is gonna be it here. Now I know sometimes you don't always get it right. [0:25:49, 0:26:00]: But as closest to right that we can get it, this is sort of where I am. So I just wanna make sure that we understand this layout. We all are in agreement with this layout. [0:26:00, 0:26:01]: Or [0:26:01, 0:26:15]: Is there something else that we make it shift here, a shift there? So I just want to make sure that we're okay with that and we understand the legend and where everything is strategically placed right now. Are we okay with this legend? [0:26:16, 0:26:26]: And so I'm studying this now and I don't know what we need to do today. I don't know, I'm not sure what you're asking us to do today. [0:26:27, 0:26:36]: Um, but I wanna get a uh better understanding and I'm looking and I'm reading and I'm studying, but I don't know what other counsel, so I don't know. So what are you asking us to do today? [0:26:37, 0:26:38]: This was w [0:26:38, 0:26:58]: Uh Councilmember uh Thomas, yes. This was uh for us to present kind of what we've been working at as tied of the tad. Um uh if you have some questions or concerns, obviously you let me know what those are uh and we move'em. Uh understanding that everything that you see that's numberized except [0:26:58, 0:27:18]: For a few parcels, uh already vacant tracts of land. And based on the developers' urban, and they did this, they did this in consideration of looking at development, development types, right? So as we look to shift certain things around, yes, there's some things we can shift around. [0:27:18, 0:27:32]: Um but uh I would say that yes. This is open for discussion. If you you have any questions, please just let me know what they are. I'll answer them as best I can. If I can't I'll get our consultants to look at it as well. [0:27:32, 0:27:34]: But as I'm right now [0:27:34, 0:27:54]: But yeah, what you this is the plan. This this is the A this is the A plan right here. This this is this is what we're taking. This is what we're taking to the party. Okay. Yes, sir. Good. Okay. Go ahead, sir. I just want to say that there's an understanding that just because this is the initial plan, it it's bound to be [0:27:54, 0:28:04]: change. Most most times when there's a plan like this, there is no way that we can say today that we m marked off every building and every example and every plot on the legend and say [0:28:05, 0:28:14]: As of today, this is what it's going to be two, three, four, five years from now. This is just a rough draft. Is that correct? Is that the best way to describe it? [0:28:15, 0:28:35]: Yes, sir. This is your this is your draft almost final, right? We we understand that the architecture might be a little different, but in terms of making the development work in terms of scale, it's gonna have to be X amount of stories. So that's that's where that's where the heightened the building. [0:28:35, 0:28:55]: Come in to make sure that from a from the perspective of a developer, you know, they can actually do this project and make money. Because that's obviously what it's about. They're not in business to give away charity, but at the same time, an opportunity to grow. And all of this, when we get down to it, is going to be controlled through a development agreement. [0:28:54, 0:29:11]: agreement with that developer to make sure that hey yes we are getting what we say we're getting and any of the infrastructure improvements that needs to come will come and how that will come based on that development agreement. So yeah, we're we're still a mile away from the from the finish line. [0:29:13, 0:29:16]: Mr. Azan, go ahead. [0:29:17, 0:29:37]: What I wanted to say is, I think we need to understand something, and I certainly understand Mayor Pro Timberry, you're right on point, these programs more. But let's understand this council voted on LCI Plan B, which is what the Atlanta Regional Commission came up with, the general idea. [0:29:37, 0:29:57]: That's kind of the scale at where we are where we are placing these buildings with the uh multifamily over here and with the amphitheater being where it is. That's LCI plan B that was approved by the Atlanta Regional Commission. You know, when we reached out to them as a city to ask them to do the the livable [0:29:57, 0:30:17]: Centers initiative, and that's how we qualify for some type of grants and that type of thing that we do for our short-term work program and our capital program. So when we go to them and we ask for assistance, like we did with the trail plan downtown and other assistance that we would be able to get. [0:30:17, 0:30:37]: They look to see whether or not we're adhering to some of their recommendations, not all of them, but certainly we've been following that framework in order to do that. Because if you look at that picture in Miss Holliday's office that I often refer to, you will see that this was a mixed common right over there. [0:30:37, 0:30:57]: There across the street, uh, in that area, right here by City Hall. So that concept uh was uh was is a beautiful rendition. I know many of y'all have seen that when you go into our office, and that kind of captures this. That was a concept, whereas this is a concept too. So understanding that there is a something that the plan is. [0:30:57, 0:31:03]: grounded in for us to what what was determined with a lot of study went into it. [0:31:04, 0:31:04]: Yeah. [0:31:05, 0:31:21]: Okay. Mr. Uh Mr. Thomas, please. Right. Um Mr. Garden, is it appropriate for me to ask you to speak in detail? At this point, is it appropriate? Uh for you to speak in detail. Um [0:31:22, 0:31:26]: about in legend five, six [0:31:28, 0:31:29]: And eight. [0:31:30, 0:31:40]: um the thought that went behind that and could you just sort of speak to to some of that. I mean, uh, if it's not appropriate to speak today [0:31:40, 0:32:00]: I'm I'm okay if you take So five six? Right, five, six and eight. So five, six and eight is a multi story, not as tall as number five itself, but it's gonna be somewhere around three, maybe three to four stories because right there the grade elevation actually from the street is much lower. [0:32:00, 0:32:09]: Mm-hmm. Um so you're looking at potential for retail as well as some residential uses, and that's where you see the amenity, the pool. [0:32:09, 0:32:13]: It's associated with a with a structure of that size. Yes. [0:32:15, 0:32:22]: So that's what that building is. That's also a mixed use building as well. It will house some retail uses as well as residential above. [0:32:24, 0:32:44]: Well, w one of my concerns and I'm pretty sure the study has been done um with the um vibration from the trains, uh the blasting at the quarry,'cause I know where we sit here and where I live when [0:32:44, 0:32:50]: when the week those blastings. I mean, it rattles, it [0:32:50, 0:33:10]: Works with your foundation. Uh is any of that has any of that been considered in this construction of anything in this particular area? So so no. Uh as of right now, you know, we're not in the development review stage of this project. So that'll have [0:33:10, 0:33:13]: Obviously once we consummate the deal with the developer. [0:33:14, 0:33:34]: They're going to do their environmental assessment on the property. So they'll take into account either phase one or phase phase one or phase two environmental. They'll talk about those issues that are out there. Um and obviously making sure that like this building, yes, you're in an area where there's blasting, but they you can build a building to withstand [0:33:33, 0:33:53]: That obviously, because we do build buildings to extend to withstand uh earthquakes to a certain degree. So obviously, um if you looked at on the Richter scale, I would assume that one of our blasts is probably a one or point five for the most part, even though we feel them. But the folks in California that have [0:33:53, 0:34:13]: Has a two or three knows that it's more of this rather than that. Right? Um the worst one I think I felt was last week. I was actually over it it um at the tear stricklin and yeah, I felt that one real clear. And and that's obviously because we have the rock that sits on [0:34:13, 0:34:29]: on this side of um it's funny that you can live on the other side of of Eagles Landing and forty two and you don't feel it. Same distance away, but you don't feel it. Um so there's a difference between what's what this area's made of versus [0:34:29, 0:34:37]: Just over the ridge what that area is made of in terms of rock versus And I and I and I would thinking in terms of um especially the the pool. [0:34:37, 0:34:57]: Yeah. Uh for us'cause if a poo gonna crack in it. So yeah, so they they're they're obviously w once you once we get everything down pack and there's a there's a deal on the table, those guys that developer's gonna do their due diligence through their environmental, through landscape, and they will obviously know that they're blasting times and when they structure those. [0:34:57, 0:35:05]: buildings what they have to be done in order for them to do what this does. You feel the vibration, but right. Yeah. Thanks, sir. Yes sir. [0:35:06, 0:35:13]: Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. Mr. Gardner. Yes, ma'am. So what's the difference between um four? [0:35:13, 0:35:16]: And ten. I know TN is a parking deck. [0:35:17, 0:35:26]: So the ledger that you have is kind of cut off on the side. So I can't see the full Yeah. So four, ten, and seven are parking decks. [0:35:30, 0:35:31]: The parking decks. [0:35:32, 0:35:33]: But what's the difference? [0:35:33, 0:35:34]: The difference is [0:35:37, 0:35:57]: Size. So number ten will be a little bigger than number seven and number four. But for the amount of retail that you're gonna put and the amount of residence you're gonna put, you wanna have uh parking necessary to accommodate those the residential and retail components. Okay. Would you mind expanding your [0:35:57, 0:36:01]: keynote ledger just so I can read those descriptions. [0:36:08, 0:36:10]: It's still kind of cut off. [0:36:11, 0:36:12]: Whereas numbered [0:36:12, 0:36:13]: Yes. [0:36:16, 0:36:19]: So ten is a parking deck. Um [0:36:19, 0:36:20]: With [0:36:21, 0:36:23]: What is the R E team? [0:36:24, 0:36:26]: I'm sorry. Uh [0:36:28, 0:36:40]: I won't be able to look at it because I don't I have the same copy you have that when they copied it it didn't come all the way through. But it it is a parking deck. Um and that's gonna be [0:36:40, 0:36:54]: existing parking. So it's it's taking over. So tan will be replacing some of the parking that's already there. The only difference is you're going vertical um with that parking to give you ex excess parking. [0:36:55, 0:36:57]: So rather than spreading this, you're going this way. [0:36:58, 0:37:06]: So that that up should be able to accommodate obviously what's existing, but given additional parking spaces to deal with the retail and residential area. [0:37:08, 0:37:17]: And then number seven is the same. Um, it's that parking associated with the retail and the residential use for for number five. [0:37:20, 0:37:28]: Now looking at this really quick, um, some of these areas, are those properties all owned by the city? [0:37:29, 0:37:35]: As I mentioned, there are a few that are not for the most part. Um one is in private ownership. [0:37:36, 0:37:46]: Um one here is in private ownership and then right here is private ownership. Everything else, uh these are all private. Those are not impacted, those existing. [0:37:46, 0:37:57]: But when you talk about future development, obviously, you see the the more intense uh yellow reflects uh proposed structures versus the existing structures. [0:37:59, 0:38:01]: Thank you, sir. You're welcome, ma'am. [0:38:02, 0:38:16]: Any other questions? It it I would my assumption is a development agreement would be similar to the development agreement that was agreed to and signed upon, like the British of Jotaco's would put this development agreement will probably consist of once it's down comes down to nuts and bolts there. [0:38:16, 0:38:36]: The development agreement that that you mentioned earlier would be similar to what we signed, agreed to assign for the Bridges of Jodico. That type of development agreement. It'll be an agreement that specifies what the developers shall do, what the city shall do, and how those those TAD funds will be expended for what specific uses. Okay. So for us it's gonna be [0:38:36, 0:38:40]: So if you look at those parking structures, [0:38:40, 0:38:47]: If you do the math, one parking space is about one structured parking space is about fi twenty five thousand. [0:38:47, 0:39:07]: So if you're looking at 300, that's roughly seven point something million dollars. Um so if you're doing three of them, do the math, that's twenty-one, almost twenty-one million dollars um for parking. And then you obviously you're gonna have to do some restructuring with some water lines, some sewer lines, making sure some new road uh roadway improvements as you. [0:39:07, 0:39:16]: You do the development. So we factored about seven and a half million for that. So roughly about 30 million of investment. But the overall project. [0:39:17, 0:39:22]: And when we did the math we did not include anything over at Burke or [0:39:22, 0:39:42]: Um MLK, so most of it would be on the three-acre side here and the existing areas that we own here as part of the amphitheater. Uh the developer I met with said I was actually using a more conservative 150. He said nope. This is gonna be in the area of 225. So I helped my conservative. [0:39:42, 0:40:02]: Conservative estimate to about 175 to 225 is what this project all in will be once constructed. Um to do your easy calculation on that, you would say 40% of$175 million to the math when that comes out. That's what's taxable value. [0:40:02, 0:40:05]: Yeah. [0:40:05, 0:40:20]: Then you times that number by the city, county, school board, millage, and that's the overall of what this project would pay, um, be in the area of roughly two point seven to two point nine million. [0:40:21, 0:40:41]: Then you can go to the bond market and you can use those funds to borrow for the parking structures. So that takes that off. But the development is paying its first year for the improvements. So that's how the TAD works. Okay. And realize that your house that you bid that you might have bought for$200,000. [0:40:41, 0:40:45]: two thousand today, tomorrow is gonna probably be worth a little bit more. [0:40:45, 0:40:50]: So that additional money's above that is where we negotiate with the school board. [0:40:50, 0:40:59]: And the county commissioners that they can get that money, we can s give them that money. Anything in excess thereof, we give back to them. [0:41:00, 0:41:03]: So right now recognize that none of this property is paying them [0:41:04, 0:41:08]: Zero property tax because it's owned by the city for the most part. So they're not getting anything. [0:41:09, 0:41:12]: So in essence to build this and to get the increment [0:41:13, 0:41:17]: Gives us an opportunity to build something, the other part that they don't get is sales tax. [0:41:17, 0:41:25]: So for all the transactions that happen as part of the retail use of this, right now that vacant track of property over there is paying the city and the county. [0:41:25, 0:41:27]: And the school board zero sales tax. [0:41:28, 0:41:29]: But if you build it [0:41:29, 0:41:44]: That sales tax gets splits up sixty-six to the county and to us and the different cities cause we all share in the sales tax revenues. Right? And that one penny sales tax goes for the schools, school board tax goes to the school board. [0:41:45, 0:41:49]: So everybody wins. Right now, the land that you see around you is paying [0:41:50, 0:41:53]: The city, the county, the school board, nothing zero dollars. [0:41:54, 0:42:00]: Absolutely nothing. And if you factor in for me who've been here too almost twenty five years. [0:42:01, 0:42:08]: It's the same downtown it's the same downtown from twenty five years ago that you see here today. So the likelihood that twenty five years from now anything will change? [0:42:09, 0:42:13]: is high unless we do something different. And that's my discussion with the school board. [0:42:14, 0:42:16]: Right? Einstein theory of insanity. [0:42:16, 0:42:19]: Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result. [0:42:20, 0:42:23]: Right, we dare to do something different and expect a different outcome. [0:42:25, 0:42:45]: There no other questions and uh on that note. Thank you for the pres well wait a minute. I'm sorry, you don't need a vote on this tonight now, do you? No sir. I'm gonna wait to hear any com other comments you guys have and then um talk to me sh talk to my sherry Matthews. Okay. Um if so if you have any other questions, please just shoot me. Um I will answer those and I'm gonna get a clearer picture because it is actually [0:42:45, 0:43:05]: Clara. It's just photocopy of a photocopy. Does this. Um, I will email those over to you guys. Um and uh talk to Sherry, get a date. Once she gives me the date, uh, I will then share that with the council because obviously we all want to be there to support our downtown. Right. Right? So when we go, if we can't [0:43:05, 0:43:25]: Can please come to that meeting because it's important. And then when you get a date, otherwise you know backtrack and try to forget a some type of town hall or depending on that date, I'm gonna try to squeeze in a town hall meeting and have uh I'll print some of this stuff out so we'll have more renderings. Okay. For folks to be able to see. Yes. All right, thank you. On that note, no other questions, we'll move on. All right, thank you, sir. Uh [0:43:25, 0:43:36]: Uh let's see here. Council consideration to approve a resolution to increase the number of members on the citywide development authority from seven members to nine members. Mr. Washington, please. [0:43:43, 0:43:45]: Come to the mic could you come to mic please, sir? [0:43:58, 0:44:10]: Yes, as this would be to the Citywide Development Authority, we would change the we would change the legislation documents to be an ordinance for it to increase from seven to nine members, if that be the will of the council. [0:44:13, 0:44:13]: Okay. [0:44:14, 0:44:20]: So you said that that's an ordinance that we have to uh We would we would do an ordinance setting the number from seven to nine, yes. Okay. [0:44:22, 0:44:42]: Alrighty. Yes, sir. Go right ahead. You got a question, sir. Yeah, I I did receive and I think the council did receive a notice from uh the citywide development authority chair uh in asking for the number to be increased and and basically in agreement with that. So that being said, I think we should go. [0:44:41, 0:44:45]: Go ahead and move forward with it. [0:44:45, 0:44:46]: I do. So [0:44:49, 0:44:50]: What was the purpose given? [0:44:51, 0:44:53]: to increasing the number of board members. [0:44:55, 0:45:01]: Not aware. I was just asked to draft if that be you all's will from seven to nine. [0:45:01, 0:45:21]: Yeah. Okay, if you want to explain that I think I understand it. The reason where we had some exemplary candidates and that di we did not want to exclude because we got some people really that would add something to the board uh on both sides, and that was the what it was expressed to me from uh the the [0:45:21, 0:45:23]: board and Ms. Gantt. [0:45:25, 0:45:28]: Okay, any any other you good? Gentlemen on the side, any other questions, you good? [0:45:29, 0:45:31]: All right, so uh uh to do that I just need a motion. [0:45:32, 0:45:43]: Go ahead. I got one more quick, I'm sorry. So will this be the board with the largest amount of members? [0:45:45, 0:45:45]: I'm not sure. [0:45:46, 0:45:58]: I don't know, nine members, uh that's something probably asked as a clerk, yeah. Uh I'll respond to that uh mayor. No, the youth council advisory committee has twelve members. Okay, there you go. [0:45:58, 0:46:08]: Thank you. All right. I need a motion, ladies and gentlemen. So moved. Okay, is there a second? Second. Okay, Mr. Barrett, second that all in favor please indicate. She now she says, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. [0:46:10, 0:46:14]: Uh okay. Council consideration approved the contract with the lease [0:46:14, 0:46:20]: If I saw how we pronounce it, companies incorporated for one million nine hundred sixty dollars and three hundred and seventy [0:46:21, 0:46:32]: $1,960,$371.90. Request for qualification number$2023 0012 Civic Wayfinding Project. [0:46:34, 0:46:36]: Mr. Gardner, please. [0:46:36, 0:46:46]: Good night again, man council. Um as you know that we're here to present the uh the winner, the winning bid for the uh [0:46:46, 0:46:50]: Were you finding sign a program that that we approved uh [0:46:50, 0:46:51]: A year or two ago. [0:46:51, 0:46:56]: Uh we're now at that point where we've gone through we've hired Sky Design. Sky Design is [0:46:57, 0:46:59]: Laid out some wonderful designs for us. [0:47:00, 0:47:05]: Um that I think everybody's approved and now we're getting to the point where we need to have a fabricator. [0:47:06, 0:47:26]: Correct, Dominic, a fabricator that's gonna come on and and fabricate the signs and put the signs out for us. Um so that process, we went through the RFP process and D nice, I think is what it's called, the uh winner of the bid. Um and we work with them to get the bid down to what we see is uh one point nine. [0:47:26, 0:47:46]: million. We we are looking at programming this in phases. So we've budgeted as part of our APA funds are at roughly a hundred five hundred and seventy three thousand plus dollars um to get the project started. That'll get us through phase one and phase two, I think it is. [0:47:48, 0:48:08]: And in the meantime, whilst we're doing phase one and phase two, um we'll be working with Sky Design to get uh phase three permitted because as you know, some of this requires us to have way s wayfinding signs at uh interstate exits. So we need to get the we need to get GDOT approval on those. So they'll be working. [0:48:08, 0:48:11]: So everything will happen in phases, but those phases will be going. [0:48:12, 0:48:14]: concur to some degree with each other on the permitting side of it. [0:48:15, 0:48:35]: Um but the development side, phase one, phase two, and as it relates to completing the project, um obviously I I'll talk to you guys a little bit about this at our next meeting, but um we we'll probably have to use some of our SPLUS funds in the upcoming SPLUS, which uh numbers that we use originally was considered. [0:48:35, 0:48:55]: So I got some new numbers from Tim um at Locust Grove that reflects us getting a higher percentage. So we'll be able to do additional projects. So this would hopefully be one of those that we could continue to make sure we get the wayfinding sign program from start to finish. But Opera will start it and hopefully a year and a half from now. [0:48:55, 0:48:58]: Uh we can continue it with Splash Dollars. [0:48:58, 0:49:18]: You know, when when we first started this, obviously the um sixty seven hundred folks weren't annexed into the city at this point. So my assumption is and maybe I might have missed it, that now with going down this road, we've taken into account those those additional residents that we've now had for roughly a year and a half on where these signs would go on those thoroughfares to make sure that we [0:49:18, 0:49:35]: we we make sure we accomplish uh accomplishing those right amount of folks that are in the city and we have we don't cut them short in this aspect So yeah so the the s the wayfinding sign is in keeping with our news with our new districts, with our new city boundaries. Okay. Not the old one. [0:49:36, 0:49:51]: All right. And Dominic with Sky Design is here to kind of go through presentation. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead please. We don't have any pictures of this up. Uh surely we have some and again we could put that on the uh for folks to see it's exciting. [0:49:59, 0:50:19]: Thank you, Councilmember, for your time today. To Mr. Gardner's point, yes, we've completed the bid process and you've tentatively awarded the job to Denise Companies. They're one of uh the fabricators that we've partnered with multiple times on many different projects, including civic wayfinding projects. We're at a point now, and again to Mr. Gardner's point, we've [0:50:19, 0:50:34]: worked on this for just of just over a year at this point. We have a full program going uh to give you an idea of some of the sign types you can see here. Everything from massive gateway signs, which would welcome guests into the city of Stockbridge, down to more um [0:50:36, 0:50:45]: More of the minutiae of individual vehicular wayfinding signs, getting people throughout the city, directing them to city hall, some of your amenities, etc. Um [0:50:45, 0:50:51]: Dennis has been tentatively awarded the job. So the purpose that I am here today is to get your approval on [0:50:52, 0:51:12]: Their budgetary numbers. When they first submitted their bid, they were, and I'm gonna just fast forward real quick to this page, they were about$2.3 million. And we had been asked and tasked to find any sort of cost savings. So you see VE option one and two, essentially what we've done is taken some designs and changed how they would function. [0:51:12, 0:51:32]: Function to find cost savings. It's anything from going with real brick to a faux brick, or if we want to find additional costs, we can just do painted aluminum, changing how your logos might look. Where when we initially came into this, we had very beefy dimensional logos. We've simplified the process. It's why we usually partner. [0:51:32, 0:51:38]: With vendors like this, they can come in and say, your designs are great, but here's a better way to do it, and here's where you can find cost savings. [0:51:38, 0:51:48]: So we've broken this down into three categories, just showing you the original proposal, VE option one, and VE option two. [0:51:49, 0:51:59]: I'll just quickly go through the different options of VE. So here you see the bulk of your sign types. There are some smaller things missing like street signs, but [0:52:00, 0:52:20]: Up here is your primary gateway, secondary gateways, vehicular directional, and these two, while looking identical, are slightly different in appearance for parks versus buildings. Pedestrian kiosks, which would be maps from a pedestrian viewpoint, getting them throughout the streets to different eateries, regions. [0:52:20, 0:52:21]: Detail, etc. [0:52:22, 0:52:24]: Um some of the things we've looked at [0:52:24, 0:52:43]: A lot of our designs initially had a recessed accent, any of your green stripes. We've since looked at that where VE option one is a buildup of material rather than an elimination of material. VE option two simplifies it further with them just being masked and painted. [0:52:43, 0:53:03]: Other things we've looked at, as I just touched on, was going from real brick to faux brick. So what you see in this photo where my cursor is, is in fact foam that's carved and painted to look just like brick. And it's um Danais in particular is a really skilled at this. So additional way of finding that cost savings. If we wanted to reduce things further, [0:53:03, 0:53:10]: we can just do aluminum that's painted and that is an example here where this is just fabricated aluminum painted a certain color. [0:53:11, 0:53:20]: Um one of the biggest cost savings we found is just how we were creating your vehicular directional, um, just simplifying the process. So [0:53:21, 0:53:40]: All that to be said is we're looking to hit that budgetary number that you all feel comfortable with. I know with a lot of these things and just looking at what was being presented today, there's development going on. So we are by no means confined to what has been programmed and the messaging. Obviously you want this to function for the city as it grows. [0:53:40, 0:53:41]: So [0:53:41, 0:53:52]: The goal here today is just get a denice contracted, because then we can really get into the meat and bones of things, figuring out how we're gonna mount these things, how we're gonna fabricate them, and [0:53:53, 0:54:13]: we can reduce or add to the sign family as we go on as the city grows. So this is not gonna be a short process. I'm just gonna fast forward to the timeline to give you an understanding of Get let me let me stop you for a second. Oh sure. What's the most durable uh I I would assume I know the answer, but I'm gonna ask you, what's the most durable product to use for this? [0:54:13, 0:54:22]: Aluminum, absolutely. Any kind of aluminum aluminum, yeah. So just because these are all gonna be outside. They're gonna be dealing with any c weathering and you want also want this to be [0:54:24, 0:54:29]: You don't want to invest in this a year or two down the road. You want this to be ten plus years, so [0:54:29, 0:54:31]: Fabricated aluminum. [0:54:31, 0:54:32]: That's painted. [0:54:33, 0:54:37]: Coded in um usually the paint that we use is automotive grade, so it's [0:54:37, 0:54:40]: It's gonna give you the longevity you need. [0:54:40, 0:54:43]: Any kind of plastics, they're gonna yellow in the sun. [0:54:44, 0:54:47]: Extreme heats can actually cause degradation and warping. [0:54:48, 0:55:03]: metal's what's gonna hold up the strongest. Because I thought I thought the brick would be more durable, but you're you're you're So ah, for the bases, so this brick is i what we've initially proposed, and this is also going into G DOT regulations, is [0:55:04, 0:55:20]: The base of these, especially if they're off of the thoroughfare, couldn't be solid concrete brick bases. They want them to have some level of breakaway ability in case of a collision. If it was to be solid brick with CMU cores. [0:55:20, 0:55:24]: That's gonna cause some heavy damage to someone that c crashes into them. So that [0:55:25, 0:55:28]: What would if we were to go with a brick, it would be a brick veneer. [0:55:28, 0:55:33]: atta attached to an aluminum body and in within that aluminum body is some level of [0:55:34, 0:55:39]: breakaway where if it's a collision that happens, the bolts break away and it it tips over so it's not just [0:55:40, 0:55:41]: A hard hit. [0:55:41, 0:55:47]: And that's G dot regulations across the board. No matter any civic project we do, we have to have that regulation or that requirement. [0:55:48, 0:55:51]: It's so it's really more of from a decorative aesthetic. [0:55:51, 0:55:59]: Um, do you want it to be true brick? Do you want it to be faux brick? Where you can see here in this photo where my cursor is. [0:56:00, 0:56:01]: We can make it look like real brick. [0:56:02, 0:56:04]: Especially as you're driving by. [0:56:04, 0:56:11]: Uh for some of these heavy gateway signs, these are gonna be in areas where no one's really gonna be able to walk right up to them. [0:56:11, 0:56:31]: So can I interject for this? Let me just say this. Sell me on quantity on quality, not not the cheapest price. So no I I want to the the overall goal here, we like what we saw, which is we liked it with the what we were presented was the real brick. Now if you can make the [0:56:31, 0:56:51]: Faux brick, but I certainly wouldn't want to just go the cheap route and paint something aluminum, and that's not what we're trying to do. We're trying to send out that symbol of quality and excellence, and that's what brick represents. I certainly understand that it wouldn't be solid brick. Yeah. Because we have regulation against building a brick. [0:56:51, 0:57:11]: Brick mailbox along a roadway as well. But certainly, I certainly, speaking for myself, would certainly want to see the appearance of brick. And the reasoning that we talked about selecting that is that that brick base matched City Hall. It kind of spread it that same look that we've had here in the general downtown. [0:57:11, 0:57:26]: downtown area throughout the city. So safety certainly in terms of it being collapsible, but the appearance uh of speaking for me, I would want to see uh the brick appearance, uh certainly not not just the painted aluminum. [0:57:27, 0:57:46]: See break appearance also if the amphitheater, the same stuff with the amphitheater, that's how the amphitheater looks like City Hall. We wanted that the same concept. Uh gentlemen, you got some you good down here? Good uh down Miss Barber, you got any questions right now? I do. Um I don't necessarily object to the break, but [0:57:47, 0:57:53]: All these signs won't be positioned near the amphitheater. So I'm not [0:57:54, 0:58:04]: opposed to aluminum either. My concern is maintenance and warranty of these. Um would that be under the contract for [0:58:04, 0:58:24]: This particular vendor, Denise? Okay Denise would be the holder of that warranty. I apologize that I don't know off the top of my head the length of their warranty. Um, but with any job I've ever worked on them there is some level of warranty involved and they have always stood by their quality. So if there's any kind of issues that come up within the first couple of years they're [0:58:25, 0:58:29]: Вей, ви воді не верта ніво. [0:58:30, 0:58:33]: uh Stockbridge or any other uh of our clients with [0:58:34, 0:58:45]: a vendor without integrity. So uh I can tell you firsthand that I've been working with DNIS on a civic wayfinding project for the Cumberland area, and they have been an excellent partner. [0:58:45, 0:58:49]: Um they've held my hand in a lot of instances. So [0:58:50, 0:58:52]: What I can tell you is we'd never stick you with someone who isn't [0:58:53, 0:59:07]: gonna be the right person to do this with. As far as phobic versus real big brick, that's that's interesting because it's uh it's a point of contention. If my superior Tiffany Chen was here, she would tell you don't go with phobic. She's a big, she's not a fan of phobic. [0:59:07, 0:59:26]: But if it's in the right vendors' hands, they can make it look like real brick. So it really kind of comes down to like your desire for real brick versus the price associated with it. As you can see, um now this cost savings isn't entirely from moving from a brick veneer to faux brick, but [0:59:26, 0:59:27]: You're probably gonna find [0:59:28, 0:59:33]: Roughly a hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of savings, give or take. I could get you the exact number. [0:59:34, 0:59:37]: Nothing is gonna replace real brick. It's got a good look. [0:59:38, 0:59:43]: Though we can be selective in what signs we do that for, because as I said earlier, some of these signs [0:59:43, 0:59:49]: You're not gonna be able to walk up close to it. You're gonna be driving by at high speeds if they're off of I seventy five. You're gonna be traveling. [0:59:49, 0:59:53]: Anywhere from sixty to seventy miles per hour. So you're gonna see it like that, but [0:59:54, 0:59:55]: You're not gonna have the time to really [0:59:56, 1:00:10]: study and absorb the the the finish. Now some of those wayfinding signs that might be adjacent to a red light, some of the pedestrian kiosks, those we might want to invest in the brick veneer because people are actually going to get up to it, potentially touch it, etc. So [1:00:11, 1:00:12]: Once we get [1:00:13, 1:00:18]: A vendor contracted, these are all explor explorations we can [1:00:18, 1:00:19]: delve into what the [1:00:21, 1:00:26]: right material is for the right location. Because this is a robust wayfinding project. You guys have [1:00:27, 1:00:35]: Thirty-four vehicular directionals, and that's just a single sign type. We have street signs, stop signs, park signs, building signs. [1:00:36, 1:00:39]: It's getting people throughout the entire city of Stockbridge. [1:00:39, 1:00:40]: Yeah. [1:00:40, 1:00:43]: Yeah, go Mr. Barrett, go ahead, please. [1:00:43, 1:00:44]: With the full grid. [1:00:44, 1:00:45]: Yes, sir. [1:00:45, 1:01:05]: And you're talking about putting it in places that's not readily accessible like the uh ones on the street. So I'm I'm guessing you're talking about like the overpass of the interstate. Yeah. How would weather and wind come into play with phobic in those particular settings? Like with with being elevated and and exposed to greater amounts of sun. [1:01:05, 1:01:10]: More wind, more trucks, more traffic, stuff like that. [1:01:10, 1:01:25]: What would phobic look like in a situation like that? If we were having this conversation ten years ago, I would say it's it's might not be the best, but technology's come quite far and a lot of the phobic is carved and then coated in very durable clear coats to give it a rigidity and [1:01:26, 1:01:26]: I mean [1:01:28, 1:01:36]: It's gonna hold up um just as long as phobic. There's gonna be different levels of degradation. You know, if someone picks that phobic, if they really get in there, [1:01:36, 1:01:40]: They're gonna be piercing into the foam. Same thing with brick though, if anyone [1:01:41, 1:01:45]: You know, that that can weather over time. Moisture gets in and expansion happens. [1:01:46, 1:01:48]: It's kind of six in one hand, half a dozen in another. [1:01:48, 1:01:49]: But [1:01:50, 1:01:55]: Neither of which are gonna be falling apart within the first couple of years. Like they're they're gonna be holding up it it [1:01:58, 1:02:00]: Vandalism and any kind of [1:02:01, 1:02:13]: Things like that are is gonna be the real problem child rather than weathering. Yeah, like the like the p so graffiti artists and stuff. So we put these really, really nice signs up over the interstate, they're phobic, and somebody comes and [1:02:14, 1:02:32]: Yep. Cancel. How do we get it back? So we could there are things we can go um and put into place. We can coat these things. And now it's it's not priced accordingly, but we can coat those things in like a a cr there's basically graffiti guards where it it's so you can power wash it right off. [1:02:33, 1:02:43]: It's none of them are gonna just like the paint's not gonna melt off. There'll still be some level of legwork required. Someone's gonna have to go out there and and hose things down, maybe do a little bit of scrubbing, but we can put [1:02:44, 1:02:45]: Um [1:02:47, 1:02:50]: Protection in place to mitigate. [1:02:50, 1:02:52]: That that. [1:02:52, 1:02:53]: Okay. [1:02:53, 1:03:09]: Okay. That and that you know, that's an interesting point, Council Melberry, because that might be an advocation for why you wanna go with this over here with painted aluminum. I know you're sacrificing the brick look, but it's a lot easier for someone to come in and just slap a coat of paint over it versus [1:03:09, 1:03:20]: Power washing brick or faux brick. So so there's it's a pro and con to everything. Yeah, it's not a black and white answer in this as far as like what's the right course. It's we kind of have to look at [1:03:20, 1:03:31]: many different things. And and these are all explorations we can do throughout the process. It's it's by no means we're awarding this to the genice and they're gonna start digging, you know, getting shovels into the ground. [1:03:32, 1:03:40]: They have to do their due diligence and make sure and f figure out a lot of how these things are going to be mounted and and installed. So um [1:03:41, 1:03:44]: And we have to go through permitting with GDOT. It's gonna be a lengthy process. [1:03:45, 1:03:57]: It's more to what what this conversation is about is to just get the next step going. We can't really make any moves until we have a vendor under contract. And no vendor's gonna make any moves until they have a contract. [1:03:59, 1:04:00]: Mr Thomas, go ahead, please. [1:04:00, 1:04:08]: Y you you sorta answered my question and you sort of alluded to as far as depending on the location [1:04:10, 1:04:20]: that may dictate the material that we may use. So and you just mentioned also um [1:04:20, 1:04:40]: When the contractor come on board, we can start to get into those kind of discussions. So you sort of already answered my question and I think this is where we may drill down a little deeper into the material depending on location of and that particular signage. So I guess we just have to just wait till we get to that point for that discussion. [1:04:40, 1:04:43]: and get into I guess material that would be used, I guess. [1:04:44, 1:04:45]: Yeah, I think that's [1:04:46, 1:04:53]: Really the best course of action is even just seeing what was presented here today with the possible development going on uh adjacent to City Hall. [1:04:54, 1:05:01]: That is gonna impact possibly the amount of wayfinding signs we have proposed already. It's certainly gonna impact the copy, so [1:05:02, 1:05:12]: nothing's quite concrete simply because we wanna shift this and mold it to be right for the city before we actually start building things. [1:05:12, 1:05:15]: Follow up question, Mayor. [1:05:15, 1:05:20]: With this discussion today, what is it that you need from us today? [1:05:21, 1:05:27]: Um we are looking for you to approve Denise as your selected vendor. [1:05:27, 1:05:47]: approve their proposed number. So that's where we came in. We were tasked with coming up with some VE solutions. Their initial budget while was more preferential to the other vendors and their proposal in general, we were still asked to find additional cost savings. So [1:05:49, 1:05:58]: Denise isn't officially contracted. We're basically looking to show you, like, here's what we can do with the numbers. Do you feel comfortable with these? Do you want to move forward? And then [1:05:59, 1:06:18]: What budgetary number do you want to contact them at? So so the number really could change depending on the material that will be used as we go forward, the numbers could change. The number can change from material. The number can also change once we actually start digging in the ground, especially for those things off uh for the major gateway signs, that being um [1:06:20, 1:06:40]: This big honker here, you could see it's thirty feet tall. It's by no means a small sign. It's gonna be right in the middle of the two different directions on an I seventy-five. We don't know truly what's underground until someone starts digging in there. I'll give you just a quick antidote with Cumberland. Um we're working through some issues where location [1:06:40, 1:06:56]: Location was great, design's great, we start digging and it is nothing but rock underneath. So we have to bore into it. We've had to change how the foundation goes. I'm not alluding to that being a possibility here. The ground which with we've proposed this location is much more planar. [1:06:57, 1:06:58]: Little m more straightforward, but [1:06:59, 1:07:04]: I also don't know what's going on from a subterranean level until someone is in there with an excavator. So [1:07:05, 1:07:10]: I want to set the expectations that while we have budgetary numbers. [1:07:11, 1:07:22]: That meter could tip one way or another. It could be in your favor where, hey, things are going great, or we've omitted some signs, or we've simplified the process and you find cost savings. There could be change orders on the other end where [1:07:22, 1:07:34]: Hey, we're trying to install this and we're dealing with some issues or there's nothing but power lines and water lines underneath here. What do we do? Uh we've had to re reroute some things. It's [1:07:35, 1:07:40]: It's unfortunately the nature of the beast for a signed proposal this large. Right. Thank you. [1:07:40, 1:07:44]: Okay. Any other questions on this side? Anybody else? Ms. Barber Goy, please. [1:07:45, 1:07:48]: I'd ask Mr. Gardner if he could um [1:07:49, 1:08:09]: See if he find information on the maintenance or warranty of the contract that denies I see that they are a small business, women own business. I see their certificate from the city of Atlanta in here. That's a good thing. They are and they're also a multi generational um [1:08:09, 1:08:29]: Company, I believe. I don't know if it's onto the second or third generation, but Mark Danice is the son of. I apologize, I forget the original owner's name, but it's been in the family for I think 50 plus years. They are a small business in comparison to some of the larger corporations that are here in the city of Georgia, the state of Georgia. [1:08:29, 1:08:30]: Georgia but [1:08:30, 1:08:38]: As far as sign fabricators go, they're probably top three in the state of capabilities and quality and reputation. [1:08:39, 1:08:47]: Um so yeah, we will have to dig up the exact warranty scope for you. Um but what I can vouch for is the level of [1:08:48, 1:08:50]: The reputation. It [1:08:50, 1:08:55]: I I've never had an issue working with them and I'm on project probably nine or ten working with them. [1:08:55, 1:09:01]: Now the um the third option um with I guess that's the aluminum. [1:09:02, 1:09:07]: Yeah, so it's it's a kind of a mix of things. The the third option with the the one point nine million dollars is uh [1:09:08, 1:09:12]: Taking these accents, making them just painted stripes. [1:09:12, 1:09:15]: Taking your brick, making it painted aluminum. [1:09:15, 1:09:20]: Taking your dimensional logo where it's kind of like big beefy pieces that are overlapping each other. [1:09:21, 1:09:35]: to more standoffs, flatter pieces, but you still get a dimensional look. And that would be that would come into play for any instances where my cursor is where you have that stock bridge logo mark. We've just tweaked how that is built. And then [1:09:35, 1:09:38]: This is the side view of your [1:09:39, 1:09:43]: uh directional wayfinding sign, vehicular wayfinding sign. [1:09:43, 1:09:48]: So we have this kind of curved accent that used to be much thicker, about a little over an inch. [1:09:48, 1:10:08]: We've reduced that to just flat material, and that has actually ended up being one of the largest cost savings. So whether we're looking at VE option one or two, that is in both of them because it's just been such a substantial cost savings. And that that is really where we looked at the cost savings. Anything else. [1:10:08, 1:10:20]: Um Councilmember Barber, we can find other ways of saving money, but it's going to be far less impactful than the options we're presenting here. Or we might be able to save$5,000 from [1:10:22, 1:10:23]: Taking your [1:10:23, 1:10:33]: i if it says um memorial park, instead of the letters being dimensional and thick, we can mask and paint them. Like we can find cost savings there, but it's going to be [1:10:35, 1:10:36]: Pennies compared to [1:10:37, 1:10:38]: Dollars that we've found. [1:10:39, 1:10:47]: Well I know that um staff has recommended the one point nine million dollar offer option, this option three. Correct. [1:10:47, 1:10:48]: Okay. [1:10:49, 1:10:51]: I prefer to stay within [1:10:51, 1:10:54]: Staff's recommendation, um, just so that we're [1:10:55, 1:10:56]: Within budget. [1:10:56, 1:10:57]: Sure. [1:10:58, 1:11:01]: Thank you. Mr Gardner, were you able to find anything? [1:11:05, 1:11:25]: Mr. Please. Let me just say this. I I don't want to go with the cheapest options. We've spent a long time working on this program to get it right. Now, I've gone to different developments. You know, yeah, we can say that the painted signs look good, but those individual letters stand out. [1:11:24, 1:11:44]: They are there for a reason. They represent quality and what they are. Now, certainly I think what we could just do today is approve a number up to. And then as Councilman Thomas indicated, uh, when we got in with the the actual developer, we could tweak it to when um [1:11:44, 1:12:04]: uh the specific locations and that kind of thing. Cause trying to solve that right now, I don't think that's gonna be any of our capabilities. So I think we could probably approve a number up to not to exceed that could include some brick and faux brick and then we would adjust it uh once we got to working with uh the actual vendor. [1:12:05, 1:12:10]: Okay. Any other questions, thoughts? On that note then, sir, did you want to make a motion? [1:12:10, 1:12:30]: Okay, so uh give me a give me a motion uh certainly give me a number where I can have s some of the uh that you think there would be a combination of the brick and the faux brick uh combinations that we would be able to use and of course we that would give us an opportunity to do that. It doesn't exclude going down. [1:12:30, 1:12:48]: I wanna have a number that can get me the the very best, but at the same time it offers a options for some cost savings with some phobic and possibly s even some aluminum. But uh give me that number that we can go up to. We know that we're not gonna exceed that number. Uh well there's a option B, I guess you said. [1:12:49, 1:12:52]: Yeah, option B is a little over l a little over two million dollars, I think it is. [1:12:53, 1:13:01]: Option B is a little more than two million if I see that right. Option B two th two million three hundred and twenty five thousand. That's full brick everything. [1:13:01, 1:13:21]: That's full brick everything, correct. Okay, so if I got full brick everything, I mean full brick, I got I got a lot of brick. I added some full brick and I saved a little room for uh possibly some aluminum. What where would that put me at? That'll probably put me between those two numbers. Yeah, I was I was gonna say maybe like two point one four. [1:13:21, 1:13:41]: five if I was kind of split the difference. And again this is gonna be um not really a hard line so we can it's as we get into the nitty gritty things. Um another consideration too is how we phase this. I know when Mr. Garden we're not doing it all at one time. So we we're doing the initial phase right you said five hundred thousand so is that [1:13:41, 1:14:01]: That's what we're really going up to. We'll uh the program uh over time will be funded by SPLOS, T SPLOS, several other providers, grants that we come through. But right now we're saying that we want to move through with this project. So I think that will probably be the best thing to do. You said two point one five? Yes, sir. Okay. So I'll make the [1:14:01, 1:14:13]: motion for two po up to two point one five understanding that we will get into greater detail when we have the f uh the um provider uh provide us with the information. So second emotion. [1:14:14, 1:14:17]: Mr. Berry Secondan, any further discussion? [1:14:17, 1:14:19]: If not all in favor of motion please indicate. [1:14:20, 1:14:21]: Couples. [1:14:22, 1:14:29]: Okay, so it passes three one zero. May I add a comment? Um I think it's important that we stay within the budget. [1:14:29, 1:14:30]: Um [1:14:30, 1:14:33]: This particular project is being funded through ARPA. [1:14:34, 1:14:45]: We all received a account balance for our ARPA funding. Um we have not with this vote um given staff a directive on [1:14:45, 1:14:52]: The overage, everything beyond the one point nine that was originally recommended from ARPA. [1:14:53, 1:14:57]: didn't designate which account they would pull the excess from. [1:14:59, 1:15:00]: I'm concerned about the overspending. [1:15:02, 1:15:09]: But nonetheless, I oppose for that reason. Thank you, sir, for your presentation. Appreciate it. Thank you all. Have a great evening. [1:15:12, 1:15:32]: What we have next are upcoming events and uh committee events things here. Council meeting will be held in the city council chamber noting some of the board and committee meetings will continue to take place via Zoom. Meeting dates and times are subject to change. Please visit the city's website at WWW, City of Stockbridge.com for the meeting invitation link, Facebook. [1:15:32, 1:15:52]: Page or contact City Hall offices 770-389-7900 for updates. Start Bridge Citizens Police Advisory Council meeting is the first Thursday of each month at 6 p.m. at the Startbridge Police Community Room, 4545 North Henry Boulevard, which is June 6th. City Council meeting is second Monday of each. [1:15:52, 1:16:03]: month at six p.m. city hall council chambers june tenth. Use uh council meeting second Monday of each month at six thirty p.m. City Hall Levi Meeting Room June tenth. Says it's been canceled. 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Location to be announced on that. Yes, sir. The location has been confirmed. It'll be at Argento. [1:18:03, 1:18:09]: Uh we'll have it there at the uh at the Argento Bridges at uh at Jodico. [1:18:09, 1:18:29]: Outstanding. Uh join the city of Stockbridge for the annual Juneteenth celebration on Wednesday, June 19th from 5 to 9 p.m. at the Stockbridge Amphitheater. There will be unique food and art vendors, food uh fun activities for the kids and DJ and live performances. Joins Councilmember Lakeisha Gantt for in partnership with Atlanta Food Truck Park. [1:18:29, 1:18:49]: For the night market at Stockbridge Ampathy parking lot from 6 p.m. to 9 30 p.m. is on on the third Thursday of each month or for the next event. And then uh that's what's happening on June 20th. There will be vendors, food trucks, activities, games, music, and vibes. Contact Tan Bowers at Tan at Atlanta.com. [1:18:49, 1:19:09]: of foodtruckpark.com for registration and additional information. 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And once again join Council Member Member Thomas and honoring veterans. [1:19:49, 1:20:09]: All year long, please send your pictures of veterans and their names, branch, rank, and years of service. Contact Roslyn Rawls to schedule an appointment with the meeting mayor for more information on Council Nift's and events. Uh call Roslin at six seven eight-eight three three-three three four eight or by way of email ralls at stopbridgega.org. [1:20:09, 1:20:29]: The 2024 Star Braze Amphithe Amphitheater Council series and uh actually we had a great uh Memorial Day series uh that just occurred with Zap, uh Brig James, Stone City Band, Evelyn Champaign King, and Rolls Royce. Fantastic concert. This next concert [1:20:29, 1:20:49]: Is uh Saturday, June 8th, uh with TLC's uh TLC celebrating the 30th anniversary of a crazy sexy cool album with special grants to Brownstone. And Brownstone was with us last year, the Gracious Days last year with us. Saturday, July 6th, Karen Briggs Contemple Orchestra featuring Phil Perry, Olita J. Adams. [1:20:49, 1:20:58]: Regina Bell, okay, Shechilla Montessucki, Jasmine Gyat, Brian Bloomberg, and Tommy Davison. [1:20:59, 1:21:19]: Okay, that's Sunday, July 7th, the end of the Fourth of July weekend featuring Charlie Wilson and uh and and this gentleman named uh Robin Thick. Uh Robin Thick's gonna join Charlie uh on Sunday, July 7th. Saturday, July 13th and Sunday, July 14th, the night with Kim and uh special guest Lisa James. [1:21:19, 1:21:23]: And Saturday, July 20th, Ladies Night Out, featuring Jodice, Johnny Gill, and Silk. [1:21:25, 1:21:45]: Saturday, July 27th, the 70 Soul Jam featuring Shine Lights, Manhattan's Legendary Blue Notes, Bloodstone, and Peach and the Herb. And then Saturday, August 3rd, uh will be Babyface with special guests, Avery Sunshine, and the four and four casts. On that note, uh my comments once again deal with [1:21:45, 1:22:05]: Well that actually we had a great Memorial Day uh weekend and uh our Memorial Day walk was uh changed because of thunderstorm and rain. So we had everything at Murray Manos Conference Center and it worked well for the amount of folks that showed up on the on this dreary, rainy, sunshiney type of day. And so uh once again for Memorial Day weekend, we have to remember that's really honoring the people that we're gonna do. [1:22:05, 1:22:25]: Gave the ultimate sacrifice, their lives for the freedom, the freedoms that we have in our country. So continue to keep those individuals all year long in your in your minds and support those families that lost those loved ones protecting our country. And that is all my uh notes at this point. And as far as I know, we have no executive session. So if that's the case, uh council I [1:22:25, 1:22:28]: So moved. Is there a second? [1:22:29, 1:22:32]: Uh Mr Berry, second from Alexander, Mr Berry, all in favor please indicate. [1:22:33, 1:22:35]: We are now adjourned. God bless ya.