2023-09-11 · City Council · Transcript · Regular Council Meetings

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2023-09-11 source: 2023-09-11_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:13:10, 0:13:30]: economy and by increasing the level of collaboration and cooperation across the state agencies, businesses, and educational communities. Whereas the city of Stockbridge recognizes the critical role workforce development services play in our commitment to support a thriving environment for workers and employers in this, and whereas during the month the City of Stockbridge and Southern Technical Crescent College [0:13:30, 0:13:50]: Will further uh feature resources that workers, employers, and surrounding Henry County community can use to advance their careers, grow their businesses, and ensure their future economic prosperity. Resources include important data on the in-demand skills and growing industries, labor market trends, upcoming training sessions and events, and more. [0:13:50, 0:14:10]: And whereas the need to continue to invest in workforce development and career and technical education help keep to keep the state's economy and workforce strong. Now, therefore, I Anthony S. Ford, by virtual authority, invest in me as the mayor of the great city of Star Villa, Georgia. Now, on behalf of City Council members Ellen Alexander Alanda, Barber, John Blood, Kesigan, and Fonzul Thomas, who hereby recognize September. [0:14:10, 0:14:30]: As Workforce Development Month in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. We urge all citizens to become familiar with the services and benefits offered by career and technical education at Southern Crescent Technical College and the city's economic development team. A witness thereof, I have hereunto set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, 11th day of September, year of our Lord, 2023. [0:14:30, 0:14:32]: gonna sign this along with a click and as hell. [0:14:33, 0:14:35]: Thank you so much. [0:14:36, 0:14:37]: Can you? [0:14:38, 0:14:49]: I don't know if you you probably think initial comments you cover kind of both these areas anyway, but just in case now you all come on, come on, come on, team, come on up and take a picture here. Okay? [0:14:52, 0:14:56]: We can tighten up a little bit first, come on down this way. [0:15:04, 0:15:06]: Thank you. [0:15:16, 0:15:36]: Now I have this next proclamation and this is the first time the city has issued this and I would imagine that this particular proclamation will be last uh long standing for many years to come. This deals with the poet laureate Stephen Misher, Brother Misher. And Mr. Misher happens to be one of my fraternity brothers. [0:15:36, 0:15:56]: Alpha Vilef Attorney Incorporated. Come on up, please, sir. So this is a recognition of him, this aspect and what he does and what he's done for the city Stockbridge for a community. Sir, please. You don't just have to stand come here. I love I love his colors. I gotta say that. [0:15:56, 0:16:05]: No, not so long. Okay. Come on over so please. Okay. Um. [0:16:06, 0:16:26]: Po uh poet Larry, Stephen Michael Whereas Stockbridge is enriched by artists who have who live among us, among in residents, excuse me, where am Stockbridge, where a Stockbridge is enriched by artists who live among its residents and neighbors, colleagues and friends, whereas it is appropriate for Stockbridge to recognize promote poets and poetry as one of the many artistic disciplines. [0:16:26, 0:16:46]: That enhance the quality of life for citizens. And whereas Stephen Misher is a poet, a scholar, a family man, a veteran, and he is a CEO of Poet, uh Poet Poetic Outreach that empowers and transforms Foundation. Whereas Stephen wanted inspired one inspirational poet of the year and is an author. [0:16:46, 0:17:06]: Or four poetry books, his most recent book being The ABCs of Black Heroes. And whereas he has written and recited poems for all occasions such as anniversaries, graduations, funerals, birthdays, retirements, as well as for special events such as Gospel Choice Awards. Stephen has recited numerous original works for the events in the city of Stockbridge and for such numerous. [0:17:06, 0:17:26]: Notable dignitaries. It has me, Mayor Anthony Ford, City Councilman Afonso Thomas, Congressman John Lewis, Senator Raphael Warnott, and Congressman Hank Johnson, Stacey Abrams, Ambassador Andrew Young, and the late Dr. Christine King Ferris. Now therefore, I am Anthony S. Ford by virtual authority of SB as the mayor of the city of Starbucks, Georgia. On behalf of City Council members Elton Allen. [0:17:26, 0:17:46]: Alexander Laudabarber, John Blood, KesiGantt, and Alfonso Thomas do hereby recognize Timot Misher as a poet laureate of the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and witness thereof, I have here undo set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the eleventh day of September, year of our Lord, 2023. I signed the proclamation on the law and with our clerk Vanessa Holiday. [0:17:46, 0:17:51]: [1072.5, 1085.1]: No worries, sir, for us. I would like to uh thank you, uh Brother Ford and Brother Mayor Ford, and I would like to thank the uh city of Stockbridge City Council. [0:18:05, 0:18:06]: For [0:18:06, 0:18:10]: Uh this proclamation. Uh I've been writing poetry since I was uh fifteen. [0:18:11, 0:18:18]: And uh it's always been when you have a dream, uh it's something that almost like you're called to do something. [0:18:19, 0:18:23]: You just have to do it. It's not necessarily your profession. [0:18:24, 0:18:34]: But it's just something that you feel like this is what I was put on this planet to do. And oftentimes when you're doing something like this and you have a vision, you have a dream. [0:18:34, 0:18:42]: And people can't really understand it or see it, especially when you're talking about something like a a poet. I can't tell you how many times people say, well, what do you do? [0:18:43, 0:18:44]: I'm a poet. [0:18:44, 0:18:47]: Okay, but what do you do? So and I'll be when [0:18:47, 0:18:49]: had people just tell me straight up, look [0:18:50, 0:19:03]: They don't make any money, you can't do this. But uh for me uh to continue on almost like a uh I feel like a uh someone braving against a a strong wind and you just keep going. [0:19:04, 0:19:24]: To be recognized for this, especially being that I lived in this city for 15 years and wrote a poem for the city, for you, Brother Mayor, for you're for women's history as much, for Councilman uh Thomas, for uh [0:19:24, 0:19:33]: Patty King uh also for um um the uh Greenfront Cafe. Oh yes, yeah yes. [0:19:34, 0:19:37]: Carabin Hambrick uh several times. [0:19:38, 0:19:51]: And uh also for the uh Red Oak United Methodist Church, whom I wrote for for many years. And I was doing all this for free and f in the very beginning, just doing, just writing, the dream was what propelled me. [0:19:51, 0:19:55]: So uh to have somebody tap you on the shoulder and say [0:19:56, 0:20:07]: after all you've done, congratulations. It s Florida feels like uh I guess the closest thing I can say is somebody saying, Man, you entered the Hall of Fame You know. [0:20:12, 0:20:20]: So um once again I would like to uh thank the city of Stockbridge. I would like to thank this uh [0:20:21, 0:20:25]: Most of all I would like to thank uh young lady who [0:20:25, 0:20:28]: We all just walked into the room. [0:20:28, 0:20:36]: We try to keep this together, but my uh my wife who you know it's not easy to live with somebody that [0:20:40, 0:20:44]: Take your time, my man. Take your time. Take your time. Take your time. Take your time. [0:20:45, 0:20:54]: You know, it's not easy to live with somebody that, you know, just it really has a a dream and a passion to do something. [0:20:55, 0:20:55]: But [0:20:56, 0:21:03]: Keep it a brave soldier, wherever I go, wherever it is, South Carolina, Texas, Alabama, Florida. [0:21:03, 0:21:13]: And it's been times I wake up in the middle of the night, you know baby, help me write this, help me do this. And she's just a loyal soldier without she doesn't ask any she just like, let's go, let's do it. [0:21:14, 0:21:30]: And uh I really, really do thank uh Lis Lashonda, my my wife for just being a brave and loyal soulmate uh for my dreams and a constant, just constant cheerleader. Uh is almost [0:21:32, 0:21:52]: And you can imagine somebody being in the corner like like a boxer, a trainer. And she's just like, babe, you could get it. You could get it. You're the best poet in the world. You're the best poet in the world. Nobody can touch you. And uh I went from just just writing, just to be writing to she said, get a website, get business. [0:21:52, 0:21:57]: cards you could do this you need to charge people for this you that good [0:21:58, 0:22:18]: And uh so yes, I really, really uh every now and then you get landmarks just to show you just wow you'll really travel. So this proclamation it does mean a lot to me. And uh thank you. We'll take some pictures of you want. [0:22:18, 0:22:21]: uh the wife can join in the pictures or someone else can take the [0:22:21, 0:22:21]: Yeah. [0:22:23, 0:22:29]: What you may want to take your mask off too and come up. Okay. She's a method guy. [0:22:32, 0:22:36]: Appreciate it. Brown, we we appreciate you all by the what you're doing. [0:22:37, 0:22:37]: Okay. [0:22:58, 0:23:05]: Yeah. And uh this is very [0:23:07, 0:23:12]: Yeah, it's one of your right. [0:23:14, 0:23:19]: Okay. [0:23:23, 0:23:26]: Thank you for me. Three seconds, three seconds. [0:23:31, 0:23:36]: My next proclamation deals with National Hispanic Heritage Month. Is anyone here to receive that? [0:23:37, 0:23:57]: Okay. Alright, well I'm gonna read it anyway, right? Okay. So in recognition of National Hispanic Heritage Month, whereas each year the American observes National Hispanic Heritage Month from September 15th to October 15th by celebrating the histories, cultures, and contributions of American citizens whose ancestors came from Spain, Mexico, Caribbean, [0:23:57, 0:24:17]: Central and South America. Whereas the day of September 15th is significant because it's the anniversary of the independence of our Latin American countries, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Gualamala, Honduras, Nicaragua. In addition, Mexico and Chile celebrate their celebrate their independence days on September 16th and September 18th, respectively. [0:24:17, 0:24:20]: Also Columbus Day, Illalow Rasa. [0:24:20, 0:24:22]: Which is October twelfth falls within a thirty day period. [0:24:23, 0:24:43]: Whereas Hispanic Americans embrace the promise of the United States that a better life should await anyone willing to work for it and a love for liberty and justice that this country promises to all. Whereas this year's thing is Tudos Losos Losos Uno. We are all, we are one. Obviously, you realize. [0:24:43, 0:25:03]: I don't speak Spanish. And whereas the City of Starby supports the Hispanic community and acknowledges National Hispanic Heritage Month and encourages everyone to participate in the festivities throughout your community. Now therefore I, Anthony Spore, by virtual authority visit meet as the mayor of the city of Star Bay of Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members, Elton, Alexander, Langa, Barber, John, Blanc, Kisha Gan, and Fonsal. [0:25:03, 0:25:23]: Thomas, we hereby proclaim september fifteenth, october fifteenth, twenty twenty three as National Hispanic Heritage Month in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. In witness thereof I have hereundo set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the 11th day of September, year of our Lord, two thousand twenty three, and I signed a proclamation along with our Croix Vanessa Holiday. [0:25:23, 0:25:43]: Mayor, I have the owner of Rico's Mexican restaurant. Oh okay, come on. Yeah, please. Come on. Absolutely. I did not realize that, but here. Um I appreciate business owners within the city style bridge as well. That's fantastic. Absolutely. [0:25:43, 0:26:03]: Absolutely. So on that note, before we take a picture, I'll give this to you, right? And then now the floor is yours if we have anything you want to say. Okay, sure. Go ahead. Uh we've been part of the community for over twenty years and just excited to to be on uh uh at this moment right now. So thank y'all very much. Okay. [0:26:03, 0:26:16]: Okay. Yeah, come on this way, take a picture. Watch yourself, watch yourself. Yeah. This is very important. I'll hide it in work. [0:26:24, 0:26:37]: Thank you. Thank you very much. No, yeah, that's yours. Absolutely. Thank you. Congratulations on the Catholic Towns. Yes, congratulations. [0:26:40, 0:27:00]: The um this past September 7th, past Thursday, uh we had our inauguration for citizens, police advisors, council members were sworn in this past Thursday. I believe they're sworn in by Mary for Tim Barber here on Thursday. Okay. But I want to acknowledge the fact that they they chose several officers uh for that organization. Stephen Moon is actually chair. [0:27:00, 0:27:14]: of that particular citizen police advisory council. Dr. Thomas Smith is the vice chair and Mr. William Daniels is the secretary. So just want to acknowledge those individuals as well for being sworn in and taking on those leadership positions. [0:27:16, 0:27:30]: Um we have some um let me ask let me ask you this. I uh proclamation Constitution Week. Someone's here to receive that? No? I read that earlier. I just want to double check. Okay. All right. So on that note I have um [0:27:31, 0:27:45]: Several swearing ins that we need to do here. And um these are all youth council members. Okay. So uh let's see here. Gavin Bradley. [0:27:45, 0:27:47]: Come on up to it. [0:27:53, 0:27:55]: Alejandra Pocket? [0:28:01, 0:28:02]: Dana Simpson? [0:28:08, 0:28:09]: We had a hub. [0:28:14, 0:28:15]: Rihanna Augustine. [0:28:20, 0:28:25]: And Gabriella and Dona? And Deno? And Dino, come on up here. [0:28:27, 0:28:28]: You can. [0:28:28, 0:28:38]: Fantastic. Our our youth council, our new abductees, is gonna swear my our youth council here for this season. Yeah, we wanna slide on down a little bit, folks. Yeah, that's right. [0:28:41, 0:28:52]: And I'm going to ask you to uh raise your right hand, right? And I'm asking to repeat after me. I'll take a small little snippets there so you can repeat after me. Aye, state your name. [0:28:54, 0:29:14]: Do solemnly swear? Do solemnly swear that I will support and uphold? And defend the Constitution of the United States of America. And the laws thereof that I will support uphold and defend the Constitution and Laws of the State of Georgia. [0:29:14, 0:29:17]: Of the state of Georgia. Inconsistent? [0:29:17, 0:29:23]: I existed. Therewith. Therewith. I will obey. I will obey that I will observe. [0:29:23, 0:29:43]: That I will observe and obey the laws and ordinances of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, of the City of Stockbridge, Georgia, that I will faithfully perform and discharge the duties incumbent upon me as a member of the City of Stockbridge Youth Council. [0:29:43, 0:30:00]: Fairly and honestly to the best of my skill and ability. So help me God. So help me God. This is set this is the eleventh day of September. This is the eleventh day of September. Congratulations. [0:30:01, 0:30:05]: [1806.3, 1817.6]: Now what position I will I will I have to sign these along with you all, so we have to sign these in uh in call officer here. So uh see [0:30:19, 0:30:27]: What's gonna happen, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be taking our signature if we take the pictures and uh imagine that uh [0:30:28, 0:30:40]: You write down on Joker. Absolutely, you write down the script and there, you're in my district. And I'm also assuming that the [0:30:40, 0:30:46]: No council and they will have support. Building as a case. [0:31:13, 0:31:14]: How you doing? [0:31:15, 0:31:18]: You're gonna be next. You're next. [0:32:00, 0:32:01]: Yeah. [0:32:23, 0:32:30]: As we as we want to stand, do you have any other thoughts or words that you want to mention everybody? [0:32:31, 0:32:40]: I don't know if you all follow something over here, but I'm just so excited to reach the youth on the youth council you're gonna have it's it's gonna be a lot of work. [0:32:44, 0:32:46]: You don't have that and into your [0:32:47, 0:32:48]: Holding the [0:32:48, 0:32:51]: Grab hold of everything that we can teach you and we like. [0:32:55, 0:33:01]: Right there, she's like um words of wisdom is um [0:33:03, 0:33:05]: Just come in the authentic self. [0:33:05, 0:33:15]: Right. Um there is a lot of trending aspects people are trying to become like other people. And you were chosen for this spot to bring you yourself. [0:33:16, 0:33:35]: You know, we don't want uh duplicates of anything. So um be open to what's available to you. Um allow the adults to guide you, but we want to hear from you too because we learn from you as well. So just just be open and just receive what's available to you. And congratulations to everybody. Thank you. [0:33:37, 0:33:57]: So new members of the new council, any comments that y'all anybody want to say anything at all? The floor will be yours and then we'll if not, I mean you can. If not, how about the parents? Anything you need to say at this point before we take this final picture here? Anything? Thank you guys so much for you. Okay, you're welcome. Thank you for the word Okay. Okay, good. Anybody else? [0:33:57, 0:34:08]: Uh we're gonna okay, well it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. That we're gonna be interested with all these people here to get uh Okay, come on down for we're gonna have to kinda go a couple people deep while we imagine. Okay, come on down. [0:34:09, 0:34:12]: All right, come on, squeeze on down here. [0:34:13, 0:34:23]: Okay. Okay to we this might be blackness of clothes. Let me let me be happy here. Someone is a little bit no no I'll give that. [0:34:35, 0:34:38]: Sorry, okay. [0:34:40, 0:34:44]: I do this one, okay. [0:34:45, 0:34:47]: Okay, yeah. [0:34:54, 0:34:56]: Well, maybe that's the same. [0:35:15, 0:35:16]: Okay. [0:35:16, 0:35:32]: And we'll uh we'll get started with our council meeting in a few minutes here, folks. Uh we it'll give us about five minutes of easy to uh regroup and get started. Okay? Uh thank you. Uh three. Let me see here. Let me get the number here. [0:35:34, 0:35:35]: Yeah. [0:36:52, 0:36:53]: Yeah. [0:37:09, 0:37:15]: [2275.0, 2280.0]: Yeah, right. So the rest of the [0:38:22, 0:38:24]: Yeah. [0:39:50, 0:39:51]: [2409.8, 2410.1]: Yeah. [0:41:12, 0:41:12]: Besides. [0:41:47, 0:41:52]: [2512.8, 2513.6]: Yeah. [0:41:54, 0:41:55]: Yeah. [0:42:01, 0:42:06]: So it's probably [0:42:52, 0:42:54]: Yeah, that's an office when we start. [0:43:10, 0:43:11]: Yeah. [0:43:12, 0:43:15]: So [0:43:25, 0:43:30]: All right, Council, let's uh let's get started with our meeting, please. Council, please come to dias. [0:43:52, 0:43:54]: Council, please come to die so we can get started in a meeting. [0:44:07, 0:44:27]: Alright, ladies and gentlemen, um, this is Monday, September 11th, 2023, for a city council meeting. I have six eleven, and it's pretty uh pretty ironic. Uh September eleventh, twenty-two years ago, we had an attack on our nation, and it's now six twelve. Okay. So anyway, we'll get [0:44:27, 0:44:29]: started on a meeting, like the call to work. [0:44:30, 0:44:35]: The invocation, if you can please stand, Miss Paula Neely, please come forward. [0:44:40, 0:44:45]: Miss Nealy, you need to turn the mic around if you can uh speak into the mic there, if you could. [0:44:47, 0:44:50]: Thank you very much. Thank you. [0:44:51, 0:44:57]: Let us pray. O magnify the Lord with me and let us exalt his name together and [0:44:57, 0:45:01]: Dear Heavenly Father, we come this evening grateful and thankful for another day. [0:45:02, 0:45:07]: Twenty two years ago there was an attack on our nation, but today we're grateful and thankful for [0:45:07, 0:45:08]: That all is well. [0:45:08, 0:45:16]: There's so much going on. Be in the midst of this meeting. Continue to lead, God, and connect our community and city together. [0:45:16, 0:45:18]: We love you and we thank you for every blessing. [0:45:18, 0:45:23]: Bless everyone that is here tonight, those that that desire to come but are not here. [0:45:23, 0:45:29]: And just be in the midst. We love you and we thank you for every good deed and perfect gift which comes from you. [0:45:29, 0:45:49]: Thank you, Lord. These and all blessings we ask in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen, amen, and thank God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God in the midst of the world. [0:45:49, 0:45:52]: with liberty and justice for all. [0:45:54, 0:45:56]: Madam McClerk, roll call, please. [0:45:58, 0:46:08]: Mayor Ford. Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. [0:46:09, 0:46:29]: Let the record reflect Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Thomas. Mayor Ford, you have a call. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Council, I need a couple things need to happen here. I got a motion to amend the agenda, which means to remove the public hearing items regarding the Valley Hill Road development item number 12, 13, and 14. The actual developer deferred this until the [0:46:29, 0:46:31]: November thirteenth council meeting. [0:46:36, 0:46:43]: Uh November thirteenth, yes. November thirteenth council meeting wanna defer that. This developers wants to defer that. So moved. Is there a second? [0:46:45, 0:46:46]: Okay, on fair please indicate. [0:46:47, 0:46:52]: Thank you very much. Okay. On that note, those will those be s heard on the thirteenth of November. [0:46:53, 0:46:55]: a public hearing and [0:46:57, 0:47:12]: Thirteenth of November, right? Thirteenth of November. And now, um in reference to let's see here. And I guess what it amounts to is that uh Mayor Potem, you had something you wanna you wanna amend here? Yes, sir. [0:47:13, 0:47:15]: I wanna make a motion to amend the agenda. [0:47:16, 0:47:16]: To [0:47:17, 0:47:22]: Request to use um the Merl Manders Conference Center, the lower level. [0:47:22, 0:47:24]: On Monday, October second. [0:47:24, 0:47:29]: For a council initiative, Breast Friends, Breast Health Awareness Event. [0:47:31, 0:47:33]: And also October ninth. [0:47:34, 0:47:36]: I just want to add the item to the agenda. [0:47:37, 0:47:40]: Okay, is there a second to that uh amendment? [0:47:41, 0:48:00]: Is there a second to that amendment? I have a question. I thought we just get to automatically use it during the week. We didn't need approval for that. Well, I okay, that uh normally that's what happens there. I I know that I have some initiatives that I've I've uh didn't I didn't ask the council because I went on and took care of it out of the initiative fund. So [0:48:00, 0:48:05]: But uh if if you all want to second that motion we can go we can go down and approve that. [0:48:06, 0:48:10]: The dates once again, I'm sorry. [0:48:11, 0:48:20]: Well you got to I just want approval to use the Merl Manders for October second and October ninth downstairs. [0:48:21, 0:48:24]: Okay, Mr. Blount secondhand. All in favor, please indicate. [0:48:25, 0:48:29]: Okay, we'll take that as item number eighteen, near the end of new business. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. [0:48:30, 0:48:50]: All right, on that note I need a motion to the adopt the remaining part of the agenda, please. So moved. Is there a second? Mr. Mr. Thomas second that all in favor, please indicate. Thank you very much. Unanimous decision. Okay. What you have before you uh council would be the adoption of the minutes, council meeting minutes of uh July 10th. [0:48:50, 0:48:56]: Public hearing draft minutes of the July eighteenth, two July eighteenth, one at nine and one at six PM [0:48:56, 0:48:59]: The work session draft minutes of July twenty fifth. [0:48:59, 0:49:02]: In a public hearing draft minutes of the twenty seventh. [0:49:02, 0:49:08]: If there are no particular changes to that, I need a motion to adopt of all those minutes, please. So moved. Mr. Alzheimer's, is there a second? [0:49:09, 0:49:12]: Um Mr. Blount second there. All in favor, please indicate. [0:49:12, 0:49:16]: Good nancy Susan, thank you very much. Okay. Yes, sir. [0:49:16, 0:49:27]: When you press the move, you're talking about thirteen and fourteen twelve thir uh twelve, thirteen, and fourteen have been removed till November thirteenth. Okay. Uh on that note, Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments? [0:49:28, 0:49:48]: Okay, thank you. In reference to ceremonial review, uh today, ladies and gentlemen, we had several different proclamations um that are read and we issued out as a city. Uh first of all, I just wanted to make uh note it wasn't a proclamation for the nine eleven remembrancer, but we did have conducted in front of the city hall earlier uh this morning starting at eight o'clock and obviously twenty [0:49:48, 0:50:08]: Twenty-two years ago today, our nation was attacked uh by terrorists in uh four different locations that kicked us off into this uh uh a war on terrorism. Uh so uh we honored and paid homage and remembered uh the victims of the 9-11 uh terrorist attack earlier this morning here in front of City Hall. And um [0:50:08, 0:50:24]: So obviously since we'll never forget and also obviously freedom's not free, so we wanna make sure that you continue to keep in prayer the individuals that lost their lives, the families that lost their loved ones as they continue to deal with that over the course of the rest of their lives that the loved ones uh had perished. Um [0:50:25, 0:50:29]: in their tax at New York and both the North and South Tyre, the World Trade Center. [0:50:29, 0:50:45]: the Pentagon as well as in the the Western Pennsylvania field there where the plane crashed. So continue to keep those those citizens and matter of fact they're just not US citizens. There are a lot of there are diff uh 43 different countries that are affected by this terrorist attack on our soil twenty two years ago. [0:50:45, 0:50:48]: Well over about twenty seven hundred people, actually. [0:50:49, 0:51:09]: We did a swearing of the of our new uh youth council members. We have six new uh individuals, youth council members uh that are uh starting off this year and be part of the Stockbridge Youth Council. Now I'm gonna attempt to to pronounce these names. Ayana Augustine, Augustine, Layla Simpson, Gavin Bradley, Gabriella Instagram. [0:51:08, 0:51:12]: And d dingle, Rihanna Howe, and Andrew [0:51:12, 0:51:32]: Hilandra Hogate, if I got to pronounce right. Okay. Also, we had the Southern Crescent Technical College. Dr. Irvin Clark was here along with one of his presidents. And they are they are the technical college that's in uh in the area. And uh we've uh actually issued the upscale Stockbridge Proclamation. [0:51:32, 0:51:52]: proclamation uh proclamation of them too and it's an issue that the discussion that we'll have later on this evening uh during the council here and where we we the city of Stockbridge is is is collaborating with the Southern Crescent Technical College in reference to getting individuals uh skills certain skill training. And also the Workforce Development Month the proclamation was also read and given to Dr. [0:51:52, 0:52:12]: Dr. Clark. And I um so we we did that. We honored Hispanic Heritage Month proclamations. We were able to give that particular proclamation to owners of a wonderful restaurant. And uh so we did that, and then we recognized our [0:52:12, 0:52:20]: First uh city poet laureate, Stephen uh Misher. And uh so we recognize him as well. [0:52:20, 0:52:40]: Okay. The um a review, the swearing in of the Citizens Police Advisory Council members. Um there I believe it's twelve members were sworn in on September seventh at the police uh office, forty five forty five North Henry Boulevard, our our at our Starbury's police department. And that swearing in was conducted uh by uh Mayor Pro Tem Barber. [0:52:40, 0:52:55]: And out of that group uh there are uh three additional individuals took on leadership positions. Uh Stephen Moon is the chair, Dr. Thomas Smith the Vice Chair, and Doctor William Daniels would be the secretary out of that group. Okay. Uh let's see here. [0:52:57, 0:53:12]: And now I have pr a presentation, uh presentation on public safety camera initiative for high crime areas and new developments, ordinance, best practices and insights from similar cities. Presentation by our police chief, uh Chief Tremor. [0:53:13, 0:53:13]: Sir. [0:53:26, 0:53:27]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Evening. [0:54:03, 0:54:05]: All right. I will um [0:54:08, 0:54:22]: be very brief with this and we'll uh reserve any questions you all have until the end. Um as you are aware, Dr. Anderson had written a grant that uh allowed us to implement and uh potentially will allow us to expand upon [0:54:22, 0:54:26]: Ar camber network system in the city that grant that we received. [0:54:26, 0:54:33]: Is enabling us to uh install this year fourteen flock cameras to supplement the over hundred flock cameras that are already. [0:54:33, 0:54:37]: inside the city of uh Stock or inside of Henry County. [0:54:37, 0:54:57]: And we have with us this evening Mr. Cam Reed, who's a representative uh for Flock, and he's here to also present some information briefly, uh, but more importantly to answer any questions that the council may have as it relates to their um as as it relates to the implementation of these within uh the community. So as was requested. [0:54:57, 0:55:00]: [3301.2, 3321.2]: The council wanted to know a little bit more about uh legislation that had been put in place to require surveillance cameras and flock cameras within uh various different cities and municipalities and uh government entities. And so we've done some research. Dr. Anderson has pulled together some research and we've pulled together a very brief presentation for you. [0:55:21, 0:55:41]: This evening. Obviously, the installation of surveillance cameras or ALPR technology goes towards the city's mission of enhancing the quality of lives of members of our community. These are valuable tools to law enforcement. Some of the benefits include reduction in crime. There's actually some statistics that validate increasing. [0:55:41, 0:56:01]: Correlate camera implementation and reduce crime rates in monitored areas. They obviously have a deterrence value in discouraging offenders from engaging in criminal behavior. And then also it's an extremely valuable tool after the fact in terms of evidence collection, including facial features, vehicle details, and things along those lines. There are several local entity. [0:56:01, 0:56:09]: That have recently adopted ordinances governing surveillance. And I wanted to talk first about the City of Atlanta's policy. [0:56:09, 0:56:29]: Now their ordinance, they have two ordinances actually as it relates to the installation of uh surveillance technology within their city, and the first one that they implemented applies only to gas stations and convenience stores. Um the areas do not include the interior of the business, only the exterior of the business, areas surrounding the fuel pumps. [0:56:29, 0:56:49]: Um one of the things that we have to be mindful for no matter what direction we move forward in uh is that we cannot prescribe specific manufacturers or camera types. Uh those are things we can set specific uh specifications. However, we can't uh say as an example that somebody has to go with Flock or they have to go with another. [0:56:49, 0:56:51]: Um provider. [0:56:51, 0:56:53]: The um [0:56:53, 0:56:58]: Stipulations of that is that the cameras have to be in working order at all times, providing twenty four seven coverage. [0:56:58, 0:57:05]: Um they have to be active and operational during business hours is what the city of Atlanta requires. There's some other ordinances we'll look at here in a moment. [0:57:05, 0:57:25]: That uh requires continual training or uh recording rather than 24-7. There has to be a redundancy system in place as per their ordinance, and it's a condition of obtaining renewal of their business license. So in order to renew the business license, they have to show compliance with uh this. One of the things that is not addressed in there is uh enforcement. [0:57:25, 0:57:28]: So there's currently not an instrument for inspection or enforcement. [0:57:29, 0:57:36]: To follow along with this, um, they've implemented a n different ordinance and this ordinance applies to new um [0:57:36, 0:57:39]: commercial developments and so they've amended their building code. [0:57:40, 0:57:42]: And within that the [0:57:42, 0:57:44]: Policy basically says that [0:57:45, 0:58:05]: Any business over twenty five thousand square feet, with the exclusion of um places of worship, has to have the infrastructure in place in order to be able to install the cameras. Uh it doesn't mandate that they install the cameras, but it's saying that they have to have the infrastructure and the capability in place to do so as per um [0:58:04, 0:58:06]: the building requirements. [0:58:06, 0:58:11]: This only applies to new developments and it does not apply retroactively. [0:58:11, 0:58:15]: Now, probably one of the most comprehensive policies is the Cab County. [0:58:16, 0:58:21]: They have some of these similar things, but their ordinance actually um applies to [0:58:21, 0:58:41]: Uh convenience stores, not just gas stations, but any convenience store, and you can see how they define that, but also monitored businesses. And what they mean by monitored businesses, they've defined that as any business where there's been three or more calls for police service within the past thirty days. Those locations could be um deemed to be monitored businesses and then would be required to implement uh some sort of [0:58:41, 0:58:55]: sort of camera system within their business. Uh or if it's a location where there's a high instance uh or even a significant instance of uh a serious violent crime there could be required for them to implement that technology. [0:58:55, 0:59:00]: Uh as was mentioned with the City of Atlanta policy, the decab ordinance requires twenty four seven recording. [0:59:01, 0:59:03]: Um there's minimum camera. [0:59:03, 0:59:04]: Technology. [0:59:05, 0:59:07]: uh specifications that have to be in place. [0:59:08, 0:59:16]: And um again it's a condition of renewal of their uh business license in order to be able to um [0:59:16, 0:59:18]: operate in DeCamp County. [0:59:19, 0:59:39]: Some minimum standards, and I won't spend a lot of time for this, but you can see they've clearly defined uh where the cameras have to be placed. So into Cab County, any business that meets these requirements or stipulations has to have a camera at each register. At the entrances, exits to the business. At gas pumps, if it's a fueling station, at loading docks, parking lots, all entrances and exits. [0:59:39, 0:59:45]: Exits and the cameras have to be unobstructed. So you can see it's pretty comprehensive in terms of what they require. [0:59:45, 1:00:05]: Uh the camera technology, it specifies uh what type of technology, what the standards are, the record recording capability has to be able to record at greater than seventy-five feet. Um it has to be in terms of storage of the device, has to be kept in a secure, remote location and provide for continuous uh recording over a period of sixty days. So you have [1:00:05, 1:00:19]: And the other thing is that they are are requiring that the recordings be made available to law enforcement within a seventy-two hour window. And if they don't, then there are um [1:00:20, 1:00:24]: fines and and things that the business could face if they don't comply with that regulation. [1:00:25, 1:00:34]: Um considerations that they addressed in their policy is shared space because we know obviously there are some businesses that do have shared fa space, so there's a mechanism in place in order to be able to regulate that. [1:00:35, 1:00:40]: Um inspections. Uh all of the new businesses have to be inspected and one of the things that [1:00:40, 1:00:44]: The Cab County does is that they actually put this on their code enforcement. [1:00:44, 1:00:56]: And they've actually had to hire six additional code enforcement officers in order to be able to regulate this because it's required, you know, there are literally hundreds of businesses in DeCab County that have to meet this requirement. So um [1:00:57, 1:01:01]: Uh they're ha you know, they they recognize that that's one of the things they have to do in order to be able to [1:01:01, 1:01:10]: um enforce that. The other thing that they've done is they've um allotted some additional funding for specialists um on their commercial enforcement team is which they call it. [1:01:10, 1:01:22]: to um in terms of what to look for during the the inspections because not everybody is going to be familiar with all the technical specifications that are required by way of the ordinance so there's some training involved uh as it relates to that. [1:01:23, 1:01:24]: And [1:01:24, 1:01:29]: The city of Houston was another that has pretty comprehensive um uh policy. [1:01:29, 1:01:49]: The City of Houston's initiative is called One Safe Houston. And what they've decided is that any bars, nightclubs, sexually oriented businesses, convenience stores, and game rooms, that's their requirement for these businesses. They're of course responsible for the cost of installation associated with their particular businesses. They have to have a clear and unobstructed. [1:01:49, 1:02:09]: A view from the exterior to the property line of that business. There's some technical capabilities which we'll skip over for time's sake here. One of the things that their policy stipulates it has to be capable of exporting video. So there has to be a way in order to download that so that it's available for law enforcement. The video has to be in color footage, has to be provided upon request within 72 hours, and they have to maintain the video. [1:02:09, 1:02:17]: Maintained for a minimum of 30 days. And one of their requirements is they put signage up indicating that there's actually surveillance in progress there. [1:02:18, 1:02:38]: Um failure to comply with the requirement to provide video footage. There's a fine that they've assessed in their ordinance of five hundred dollars a day. There's a graduated fee schedule for noncompliance. Uh the business license can also be revoked if they're not in compliance with the standards that have been placed, and the authority is vested with the police department, as is the case with uh many of these. As it relates to [1:02:38, 1:02:58]: potential downsides. There are a lot of advantages that relates to camera policies, but some of the things that we've seen come up is one, the legal concern. There's been some argument in terms of uh perhaps circumvention of a warrant requirement mandating people to supply video footage. So that's something that we'd obviously have to get a legal opinion on in terms of [1:02:58, 1:03:18]: Of uh the legality of that if we decide to move forward. Uh there's also of concern the financial burden that it would place on uh businesses in order to implement this technology. That's a consideration uh that has to be taken into consideration. And then two, the regulatory complexity, meaning that if we institute this, we have to have a mechanism in place in order to be able to regulate that. So that means [1:03:18, 1:03:24]: means that we're gonna have to expand our capacity to be able to do so if it's something that we intend to implement. [1:03:24, 1:03:37]: Now, um this speaks specifically to surveillance cameras. The automated license plate reader flock, that's something a little bit different. Uh but Mr. Reed uh was sharing with me that the city of Bloomingdale [1:03:37, 1:03:57]: Um does have something in their building codes where they do require new businesses to implement the ALPR cameras there. Um it's on the business during the first year of development, however, it's something that the city of Bloomingdale absorbs in subsequent years. That does not have to be the case, that's just the arrangement that's been made there. And he may be able to speak a little more specifically to that. [1:03:57, 1:04:17]: But before I have Mr. Reed up to share with you some specific information, because I know Councilman Blount had some questions about the ALPR system that Mr. Reed may be able to speak to, I wanted to pause here for a moment to see if there were any questions from the council uh regarding this initiative and if there's anything further that you all would like to do in furtherance of this. [1:04:17, 1:04:22]: Yeah, thanks Chief. And I'll start this off here. I might have missed it, so f shame on me if I did. [1:04:22, 1:04:42]: What happens if you have businesses that already have cameras installed right now? All right. And and these cameras happen to be not of the tech uh the capability that you're at that you're kind of mentioning in some of these examples. They're not quite a high tech that to be use uh that would be really useful for us to help protect them in this aspect. Have we [1:04:42, 1:04:47]: thought about that or s or is or did I miss something here in reference how how do you want to deal with that? [1:04:47, 1:05:07]: We y we could. It it's entirely as you can see, there are different stipulations depending on the the city, so it's what we decide. Um there there's valid reasons for having specified requirements because if you have a system in place and it doesn't have good video quality or doesn't have the capability of exporting video, then it it's it's just something that's [1:05:07, 1:05:27]: Nice to have it's not really practically useful uh for purposes of investigation. It may serve at a turn effect. Um, we could, as DeCab County does, if uh businesses are currently not in compliance and they give them a period of time once they've identified that the cameras are out of compliance to come into compliance with the uh specifications they've listed there. And um uh [1:05:27, 1:05:31]: Once they show proof of compliance with that, then they would be eligible for the renewal of their business license. Okay. [1:05:32, 1:05:34]: Yes, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead, Mr. Blount. [1:05:34, 1:05:54]: Uh thank you for the uh presentation, uh Chief. Because we're talking about two different type cameras. Are we uh are we able to enter on both the flock and the surveillance um cameras at the same time? Or are we gonna wait on the flock and do that separately? Uh we certainly can. Uh Mr. Reed had a [1:05:54, 1:06:14]: very brief uh presentation, just kinda overview of what Flock was. But if you would rather he just address your questions, we certainly can do that. Let's wait for a second. Let's make sure that to see if there's another question from the council in reference specifically to what you said, Chief, before we go to Flock. Just make sure we cover cover that down first. You got to Well let me ask a question on that. Uh on on the surveillance and when we talk about businesses [1:06:14, 1:06:34]: Uh and I'm I'm the mayor kinda stole my thunder. I wish he had let me go first. But uh those are my concerns also because if systematically we inst we we require that for the businesses, um I think that we'll have time we we should look at some of the things in [1:06:34, 1:06:54]: maybe Mr. Garner can speak to it that maybe there's some businesses that aren't doing as well. And and you did talk about how businesses are it it would be a cost to them. Uh now I don't know what what the residual cost would be versus what the installation cost would be. Because a lot of times, you know, the up the up [1:06:54, 1:07:10]: Upfront cost is usually the greater cost than the residual cost. So do you is there any way you guys can know what the upfront costs and what the residual cost would kind of uh on average would be by looking at other other areas of per business? [1:07:11, 1:07:27]: Yeah, it would be difficult to to estimate that, I believe. Um the good thing is is that where we are now as a society that these systems are a lot more affordable than they were previously. And um I I think that they're relatively affordable, but it again it depends on [1:07:27, 1:07:30]: What stipulations we put in place, as was mentioned with the Cab County. [1:07:30, 1:07:35]: have a pretty robust ordinance so if you're a business and you're required to have cameras on the entry and exits [1:07:35, 1:07:43]: of both your parking lot and into the business and also on all points of sales, on your fuel tank. So if you're talking about a business like that. [1:07:43, 1:07:50]: that cost is obviously gonna be more expensive than if you have, um, you know, a mom and pop business and um [1:07:51, 1:07:51]: Uh [1:07:52, 1:08:03]: Generally if you have something like that, it probably wouldn't apply to the specific business, but more the shopping plaza to make sure that they have those things in place. So that's something that would have to be worked through with the management company as it relates to that. [1:08:03, 1:08:20]: Okay, well the last question on on um the surveillance camera. If if there's something that happens and we there's a system in place and st you know, strategically, why are we doing is seventy two hours the the the actual time that that's kinda crossed the board? [1:08:21, 1:08:26]: That's what we've seen through the ordinances that have been legislated. Um I'll tell you in [1:08:27, 1:08:29]: Uh Corporal Jordan, who's one of our [1:08:30, 1:08:32]: major crimes investigators to tell you is that [1:08:32, 1:08:40]: A lot of times businesses are not always cooperative in getting you the information uh that you need, and even in cases if we have a homicide someplace. [1:08:40, 1:08:47]: We are relying on them to give us that information. If they don't want to give us that information, the mechanism we have in place right now is we have to write a search warrant. [1:08:47, 1:08:53]: They have a D V R recorder that only keeps the video for seven days. By the time that we get a search warrant and get that information, [1:08:54, 1:09:14]: That could be lost, and so we're losing valuable evidence by virtue of some of the challenges we have. There are other businesses that are more cooperative than others, but I think the 72 hours is a good time frame. It allows the business owner to be able to come in because a lot of times what we find is not everybody at the business is familiar with how to operate the system. So there's only a couple of trained folks, so it does take [1:09:13, 1:09:18]: [4159.3, 4172.0]: defined window, I think it's a good place to start. It's something that we could potentially expand if we do decide that we want to legislate that. But um that's that's what we've seen in looking at the case studies that we've explored so far. [1:09:32, 1:09:52]: Okay. I'm fine. Mr. Alexander, you have some questions, sir? Yeah, I just want to say I thank you for the presentation. I certainly concur and lean toward more toward the the the the comprehensive model and then the one uh that you showed us for Houston has specified the video specs of ten eighty, which is the clarity on what you would need. [1:09:52, 1:10:12]: Not necessarily certainly not the brand, but the clarity. I think you made a point in your previous presentation about businesses that were deemed nuisances or businesses where we had people who were being repeatedly victimized at those locations, those would be the monitored businesses, correct? [1:10:12, 1:10:25]: So if if we legislate that we could like with the Cab County say that if you've had this many calls for service over a defined period of time, you could be uh a a business that has to be a monitored business. Now one of the things that they do have in place [1:10:25, 1:10:28]: is a mechanism that if these businesses actually [1:10:28, 1:10:34]: improve their practices, install lighting, clean up their business, don't allow these things to happen and over a period of time. [1:10:34, 1:10:51]: their call goes down, then um it would not then require them to uh it it you know adhere to those uh stipulations. And I would say to that is that that would be for existing businesses. But in my my judgment, I would say all new development [1:10:52, 1:11:12]: would be required to do the more comprehensive. The people who have already been existing and they would have to upgrade to uh what that standard was and be complied if they had were causing nuisances. But any new business or new development going forward, it would seem as though that would be part of the startup package for the business that they would install the [1:11:12, 1:11:32]: cameras uh for safety because you know even though a business has not been a problem or has not been a problem, something can always happen. And it always happens, especially with us being along the interstate. You know, these criminals, they pop in off the interstate, make something happen, and then they disappear, we don't have any evidence of that. [1:11:32, 1:11:52]: But if we had the cameras at these stations, particularly I think you pointed out Highway 138, that area. Or we had some issues, certainly I would be looking uh leaning toward doing that uh for existing businesses with the monitoring, but certainly uh with all new development. That's that that kind of. [1:11:51, 1:12:05]: It's kinda gonna be up to us how to proceed at this point, yeah. It it is. So this is a presentation. If the council elects to move forward with this, we would then work to actually write up a draft ordinance that we could present to council and [1:12:05, 1:12:25]: Get some feedback from you all in terms of what we decide to do moving forward. Well, the the uh last question that I have is you stated some statistics that show that these cameras do actually reduce the incidences of crime. So having a citywide camera network certainly would enhance our ability to keep the community safe. [1:12:25, 1:12:26]: Safe, correct? [1:12:26, 1:12:27]: Yes. [1:12:28, 1:12:28]: Thank you. [1:12:28, 1:12:48]: Ms. Gann, go ahead, please. Thank you. Uh I just wanted to make sure I got this right. You you did mention maybe not every single business, but like let's say it's in a shopping plaza, um, for instance, new development, that maybe we should consider that as a requirement. I'm wondering i I just [1:12:48, 1:13:08]: want to make sure for clarity purposes that you think uh well I guess I I should ask do you think that it's necessary for each business to have a flat camera or is it for a big shopping plaza and what cameras we already have like [1:13:08, 1:13:28]: like what cameras are funded through the city already on the main, you know, intersections and roads. And then we require those larger shopping plazas to do so. My concern is mom and pops can't uh be nickel dime for every single little thing that would, you know, sells and used to be. [1:13:28, 1:13:48]: tax and everything else that they have to pay for right now um is extremely expensive. So what is it what would be advantageous would be enough cameras, so to speak, would be re within reason. Right. And let me clarify, I wasn't saying that every business in the city this would be a requirement. Um I I think that would be [1:13:48, 1:13:49]: Um [1:13:50, 1:13:51]: Perhaps too much. [1:13:51, 1:13:58]: The thing that we really need to look at is where's crime occurring at, where are we having these issues at? Where where are our highest calls for service? [1:13:59, 1:14:19]: And uh those those locations we would require that they install the uh camera systems as a crime reduction measure there. And I want to say, uh, Cam will talk here in just a moment. There's a difference between the surveillance cameras and the flock cameras. They're two entirely separate things, two different systems there. What we're talking about is surveillance cameras, which means that you have to have a high quality camera. [1:14:18, 1:14:35]: To record your business, the people coming in and out of your business, your parking lot, things along those lines if you have a business that's deemed to be a nuisance business or a high crime business. Doesn't apply to every. As it relates to what uh Councilman Alexander was saying with new developments. [1:14:36, 1:14:41]: It's something that you could legislate that all new developments and that would be contention on the property. [1:14:41, 1:14:51]: owners. So in these shopping plazas we know that it's largely a management company that owns that. You can make that requirement on them to implement those systems within their uh um uh new developments. [1:14:52, 1:14:52]: Thank you. [1:14:53, 1:14:55]: Yeah, questions, council? [1:14:56, 1:14:57]: Yeah, you got another question, sir? Real quick. [1:14:58, 1:15:18]: So if you did new developments that that uh residual amount would come out of either under the management or under the HOA, is that what you're saying? That's correct. From what we've gathered and I was talking to Cam about this and and um he can speak to that he's not familiar with but he's gonna check with his uh colleagues. As it relates to [1:15:18, 1:15:18]: Um [1:15:20, 1:15:40]: Residential communities that don't have a homeowners association, it's difficult to have as a standard for them to implement that because there's not a mechanism in place in order to uh pay the recurring fees. So unless that was something like if it and I'm not sure there are many neighborhoods now that are developing that don't have some sort of covenants or bylaws or some sort of loose association, but for those that don't. [1:15:40, 1:15:59]: And if we were to implement that, there's not a mechanism in place to be able to um collect that recurring fee, the maintenance costs associated with those systems. And that would be something we'd have to decide if they wanted to pay for the initial installation. Will we do like Bloomingdale and some of the other cities that will actually pay the subsequent years costs associated with those systems? [1:15:59, 1:16:06]: Yeah, but just fall remember we talked one time and I don't know if that can happen. Maybe m Mr. Garner can investigate that. [1:16:07, 1:16:10]: If you got a development that comes in with fifty units, I'm just throwing a number out. [1:16:11, 1:16:15]: And they in their rental unit they don't have a management or HOA. [1:16:15, 1:16:20]: We talked about those installations still being put in place by the developer. [1:16:20, 1:16:37]: But the residual cost is on those units, not on those units that would be on whatever bill, however we do that. Uh there's a way of doing it. I just don't know how you how you formulate that. Yeah, that that would be as I understand that'd be something that [1:16:37, 1:16:43]: those homeowners in those areas would have to agree to, they'd have to establish some sort of fund to be able to pay for that. [1:16:43, 1:16:49]: 'Cause there would really be no enforcement mechanism. So the developer you can hold them accountable for installing it and paying for the initial installation. [1:16:49, 1:16:54]: But now when it comes to annual uh fees that have to be paid to keep the system working. [1:16:54, 1:17:03]: It's like who do we who do we go after to collect those funds? And if there's not a collective like an HOA or there's something in place, it's gonna be difficult for us to regulate and hold. [1:17:03, 1:17:10]: fifty different people accountable for making sure that that system is well it wouldn't be fifty and I'm sorry if it makes it sound like that. [1:17:10, 1:17:12]: If everybody has to pay their rent. [1:17:13, 1:17:15]: That's just a part of your rent. [1:17:17, 1:17:31]: And then we get whoever they're paying their rent to, that's that's the payment that comes to the city. Yeah. I'm not sure how we I I don't know what we could do with that. That would probably be a question uh better addressed by Mr. Washington from a legal standpoint. Okay. [1:17:32, 1:17:52]: Are another question for uh Chief Tramor um on his particular presentation? If not, is my assumption that you're looking for us to give you an okay to go forward with developing of ordinance right now for us to receive before you do that, for us to receive it, kinda think about it further and kind of tweak that. But if you do have specific questions, I know we talked [1:17:52, 1:18:05]: a lot about flock. We do have Mr. Reed here who's the area representative. Uh if there's anything that you would like to know or anything from the He's he's coming next, but I just want to know if make sure that we are covering your Pacific on surveillance cameras, what you're asking us to do. [1:18:05, 1:18:10]: Yes, but I think we should look at this holistically because there are not many communities that are actually [1:18:10, 1:18:17]: Incorporating ALPR, which is automated license plate reader systems, within this. So we could legislate both. [1:18:17, 1:18:31]: ALPR and uh surveillance cameras within this policy to have a more comprehensive network of uh security technology. All right, all right, Chief, no problem. Please, sir, c come on and give a presentation, please. Thank you. [1:18:34, 1:18:36]: I appreciate y'all having me. Sure, no problem. [1:18:49, 1:18:50]: Yeah, there you go. [1:18:54, 1:18:55]: All right. [1:18:55, 1:19:00]: So my name is Cam Reed. I'm the territory sales manager for flock safety. [1:19:01, 1:19:07]: And I came up here to talk to you guys about some of the uh the options that we have available to the city. [1:19:08, 1:19:26]: So at Flock, our mission is uh to eliminate crime together. And what I mean by together is not just with the police department, but with the city, with commercial businesses, with HOAs, with school systems, the entire community to make uh crime go away, right? To make a a safer community. [1:19:28, 1:19:48]: So everybody knows that you know crime just keeps increasing year after year after year. I'm sure you're no stranger to that. And I'm gonna the chief told me I got about five minutes, so I'm gonna try to zip through this if you guys so we can get to questions. So if you guys have any, uh don't be afraid to just speak out. So ALPR techno technology, uh automated license plate rate. [1:19:48, 1:20:00]: What Flock Safety does a little bit different than other systems out there is we do what we call the vehicle fingerprint ID. It's looking for a vehicle going in front of that camera and snapping an image of it. [1:20:00, 1:20:03]: And then analyzing that image or decoding that image. [1:20:04, 1:20:06]: uh to pass that information on to law enforcement. [1:20:06, 1:20:08]: So it's not just looking for a license plate. [1:20:09, 1:20:17]: Because as the chief and all the officers can tell you, I'm sure, not everybody rides around robbing stores with their license plate on their car, right? [1:20:17, 1:20:32]: So if there's no license plate on it and that's all it's looking for, it's it's really doing you no good. So it's looking at the entire vehicle. So we can see the year, make, model, color. It can see some identifying features about the vehicle to aid law enforcement in finding that perpetrator. [1:20:34, 1:20:34]: Yeah. [1:20:35, 1:20:35]: Uh [1:20:36, 1:20:56]: How does ALPR help you prevent prevent crime? Uh number one, it's proactive. So the list from the Georgia Crime Information Center of stolen vehicles, wanted people, all of that is updated uh four times a day into the system so officers would get an alert as a suspect comes into uh, say, the city limits in a stolen. [1:20:56, 1:21:05]: vehicle. They would be alerted to that. It'll also help the investigators to investigate crimes and look for suspect vehicles with the system as well. [1:21:09, 1:21:29]: We're really big about protecting privacy. I'm sure if you've done any research on ALPR systems out there, a lot of them sell the data, a lot of them keep the data for several years or unlimited amount. Uh at Flock, we do not do that. We have a 30-day retention policy. Uh nothing stored more than 30 days because past that it's really kind of a [1:21:29, 1:21:39]: cold lead for an investigator to follow up on. Uh so thirty days is is usually s uh good enough to provide information, actionable evidence for an investigation. [1:21:40, 1:21:50]: Uh we don't do any facial recognition with our camera systems. That's a big uh misunderstanding with a lot of systems that are out there that they do uh facial recognition. We do not. [1:21:52, 1:22:12]: We're very transparent. Uh officers can't just go into the system and search for uh the mayor pro tems tag to see where she's been. They have to have a reason. It's auditable. So when an officer goes in to look for a vehicle or a specific tag, they have to enter a reason. Uh and you can download that audit and print it out. [1:22:12, 1:22:20]: out for public consumption if you want. Or the chief or the internal affairs division can use that to make sure that offers aren't misused in the system. [1:22:21, 1:22:31]: Uh one example of how powerful this technology is. I don't know if you all remember this, it was from two thousand twenty, uh in August actually, the end of August. [1:22:31, 1:22:40]: Uh a young mother was pushing her child down the sidewalk in a stroller and another couple that was riding around looking to kidnap a a child. [1:22:41, 1:22:47]: saw her, got out of the vehicle, pulled a gun on her, and wrestled the kid away from her and took off. [1:22:47, 1:22:53]: They had taken the tag off of their vehicle, so all that the mother knew was it was a red Acura MDX. [1:22:54, 1:23:00]: So this happened in the city of Chambly. The Chambly Police Department has cameras all up around the city. [1:23:00, 1:23:01]: As well as the Cab County and Gwinnett. [1:23:02, 1:23:04]: So they started searching through the system. [1:23:04, 1:23:05]: And they were able to locate [1:23:06, 1:23:11]: As you can imagine in Metro Atlanta, a thousand red accurate MDXs from that day. [1:23:11, 1:23:31]: Uh so with our technology, the vehicle fingerprint ID, the mother remembered that the left front wheel was different than the other three wheels. So that gave them something to look for in these thousands of ACURAs. So they found an image of that vehicle with a different left front wheel. She said, yes, that's it. So they searched back to the system for that. [1:23:31, 1:23:32]: Yeah. [1:23:32, 1:23:37]: And they were able to locate another image from another camera from an hour before. [1:23:37, 1:23:42]: That actually still had the tag on it before they took the tag off and went and kidnapped the child. [1:23:42, 1:23:53]: So they searched that tag, found out in Carrollton that that vehicle frequented it at that area west of Atlanta. As they were staging to go set up and go serve a search one on the house, uh [1:23:54, 1:24:04]: The assistant chief was actually from Chambly was turning into the cul-de-sac where law enforcement was gathering to go serve the search warrant. And guess who's in front of him? The Red Accura MDX. [1:24:05, 1:24:14]: So long story short, law enforcement at the cul-de-sac, law enforcement coming into the road, they were able to get that child and get her back get the child back in the mother's arms within five and a half hours. [1:24:15, 1:24:26]: Well I'm sure you can imagine what a needle in a stack of needles that would have been just looking for a red accurate MDX. Mother probably would have never seen that child again. So it's very powerful technology. [1:24:27, 1:24:31]: And I've got a lot of another examples that are in here. [1:24:32, 1:24:33]: I'll skip through them for time's sake. [1:24:34, 1:24:44]: So in addition to the license plate recognition cameras, we also do remote surveillance cameras, either a bullet camera that's focused on a specific problem area like a park. [1:24:45, 1:24:48]: or a pan tilt zoom camera, which is really good in a business area. [1:24:48, 1:24:51]: So that officers or dispatchers can log into it. [1:24:51, 1:24:54]: And be able to view what's going on around that system. [1:24:55, 1:24:58]: Uh we also have what we call the Raven, it's a audio detection unit. [1:24:58, 1:25:16]: uh gunshot detection unit that can alert officers uh for gunshots in the area and narrow it down to within ninety feet of where that shot occurred. Those can be used in uh conjunction with the other cameras that are around to kind of get eyes on the scene uh and help law enforcement as they even respond. [1:25:18, 1:25:38]: So I know we're probably running up to five minutes. So do you do you all have any questions specific to AOPR or surveillance? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I I have my first one. But the gunshot uh aspect, it's not like an uh an antenna or something that some type of sound barrier that picks this up and directs it. How does that work? Yeah, it's just collecting uh audio sounds. [1:25:38, 1:25:56]: sound so uh it uses machine learning to know what's a vehicle backfire what's a firework uh so it weeds all those things out it's looking for the specific sound of a hypersonic bullet basically so it's listening for that sound it records it uh [1:25:56, 1:26:02]: The way that we deploy that is kind of in half uh quarter, half or full square mile areas. [1:26:02, 1:26:22]: And we set up a number of units that triangulate the position of where that shot came from. So that makes sense based on the time that it took to get to that camera compared or to that audio detection unit compared to another one that hurt it and another one that hurt it, it can pinpoint where that shot came from. And when you employ these, is it you you put them on to uh [1:26:22, 1:26:32]: Televis uh poles, so electron electronic poles or how do you or lights or how do you put'em? Power poles or uh typically that's that's where we would mount'em is on a power pole. [1:26:32, 1:26:52]: Okay. And we need p official permission to do that, I would imagine. On like on a on power poles, I believe. We can install them on our own poles as well, but it's we can mount it to just about anything. Okay. All right. Where a lot of the other systems out there that uh kind of our competitors have they have to be mounted really high up on a building, we don't require that. All right. [1:26:52, 1:26:54]: Mrs. Blount, sir, go ahead, please. [1:26:54, 1:26:59]: I've been asking about these flock cameras for a long time. I just wanna know when can we get'em. Um [1:27:00, 1:27:20]: The uh question I was asked to ask, which I also want to know, is that when you got a community with two interests, which is two X's, and you want two install, what what type of what what is cost again, what is the ballpark figure for [1:27:20, 1:27:28]: for that cost for that residence and what would they be looking at residually to sustain that camera system. [1:27:28, 1:27:48]: So our units uh we call it safety as a service. Uh you're basically paying for the installation of the unit and then the annual recurring cost of keeping that unit and being able to monitor. So w for example, with law enforcement, it's three thousand dollars a camera. The installation is six hundred and fifty dollars unless the city has their own pole that [1:27:48, 1:27:54]: we that you want to mount it on, then we can kind of offer you a reduced price because we're not using our pole, if that makes sense. [1:27:55, 1:28:07]: For the HOA and I'm sorry I don't I don't really handle the HOAs. We have different account or different account managers that deal with HOAs and commercial properties. I think they're around thirty five hundred dollars and the same for installation. [1:28:09, 1:28:11]: And that would be per camera annually. [1:28:11, 1:28:19]: Uh the installation and per camera per camera and install. Now when you say thirty five hundred, are you talking about but is that the residual cost? [1:28:19, 1:28:24]: Yes, that's the cost of the camera. And where that's a big advantage of uh [1:28:24, 1:28:44]: Most law enforcement agencies that purchased ALPR technology in the past, they were required to buy the unit up front. And those were twenty to thirty thousand dollars apiece. They were usually mounted on a vehicle, uh which is great if you're riding through the parking lot of a commercial business or a mall parking lot. Uh you can pick up a lot of different stolen. [1:28:44, 1:28:54]: tags and things of that nature. We kind of take a different approach. We don't need the infrastructure that those needed with direct power to them. We run off of a solar panel. [1:28:54, 1:29:09]: uh and they don't need internet capabilities plugged into the unit like the older ALPR systems. Ours work off of a SIM card, so we can put'em up anywhere uh as long as it's getting a little bit of sunlight to recharge the batteries. Uh so it's really easy to mount. [1:29:10, 1:29:14]: Yeah, but we're looking at three costs. What I'm saying is that we're looking at the cost of the camera. [1:29:14, 1:29:34]: Cost for installation. What is the residual cost? With us, you're not purchasing the camera, you're just purchasing that year for year of service. Does that make sense? So the year of service is thirty five hundred per year and six fifty. For an HOS, gotcha. Right, right. Gotcha. So it's thirty five hundred every year. If it breaks, we come out and fix it. Uh you know. [1:29:34, 1:29:46]: You know, we usually know there's an issue because we monitor those cameras on a regular basis before the department or the HOA knows. But yeah, that includes maintenance, it includes all the user fees to access the data, everything. [1:29:47, 1:30:07]: Uh and and I found that that i if you can find anything under five thousand dollars for what this camera does and for where you're doing it, th th because the prices like you just said, those prices are astronomical. Yes. They really are. Which is how flight came to be. Uh our owner at a few intern autos [1:30:06, 1:30:17]: in his neighborhood and was referred by Atlanta PD to go out and get some ALPR cameras. It was gonna cost him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to cover the seven entrances to his neighborhood. [1:30:18, 1:30:21]: And that was buying equipment up front and then having to maintain it so [1:30:22, 1:30:27]: If you purchase it and in six months the unit goes down because of moisture or whatever else. [1:30:27, 1:30:29]: That's on you to fix it, right? If you own the camera. [1:30:30, 1:30:32]: With us, it's on us to fix it. [1:30:32, 1:30:52]: Well the thing that I also like about it is that if a stolen vehicle comes in your c in your neighborhood, it alerts the it alerts P D that there's a stolen vehicle that had just entered into your community. That's correct. So it's a lot that uh it's a lot that that's it's a lot that that camera does and that's pretty good. I appreciate it. And like the chief said [1:30:52, 1:31:03]: Just Henry County PD has a hundred ALPR units. They've got about 20 square miles of the gunshot detection that's in the works, Locust Grove, uh McDonough. [1:31:03, 1:31:16]: You know, it just about every community and county around you has them as well. So that's another good thing with our system is we have almost 8,000 cameras across Georgia and more than forty eight thousand across the country. [1:31:17, 1:31:25]: Uh so with the city of Stockbridge purchasing, say 15, you don't just get access to 15 cameras, right? You get access to the entire network. [1:31:25, 1:31:38]: So when you're going to look for somebody that may have come here and committed a murder, you don't you're not just looking in Stockbridge or just in Henry County. You're looking in the state of Georgia, Alabama, all the way to California if if that's what you need. [1:31:39, 1:31:40]: That's it. [1:31:40, 1:32:00]: Any questions this side? Go ahead, please. This to comment certainly I'm in full support of moving forward with this in in line with what I spoke earlier, which is all new development being required to uh have the flock cameras at the entrance and then uh uh whatever it's necessary to talk with. [1:32:00, 1:32:15]: with getting the existing subdivision as an opportunity to do that, because certainly this is with the growth and everything coming to the community. Talk about the crime statistics that you may have access to before and after the flock cameras. [1:32:18, 1:32:29]: You had something here just a minute ago, didn't you, with uh uh Murphy, Tennessee? Yeah. I've got to do it. Or a subdivision or or or or a neighborhood per se. This is actually Cobb County stats. [1:32:31, 1:32:32]: I don't know if you can see those. [1:32:33, 1:32:38]: So in precinct two, thirty-five percent reduction in enter and autos and a forty percent reduction in robbery. [1:32:39, 1:32:59]: Uh in the 215 beat a 64% reduction in internados and a 63% reduction in non-residential burglaries. And you can see the other stats there. It it works. If you remember the the shooter from the children's hospital downtown just a couple of months ago, that shooter was caught. [1:32:59, 1:33:10]: in Cobb County with flock cameras. Okay. So and a number of other devices. I can't take a hundred percent credit for that, but we were a part of it. Good deal. Any other questions? No. [1:33:11, 1:33:25]: Okay. So I guess we're good with questions. So I would imagine once again back to my original comment, I would imagine you just needed a um a direction there, Chief, in reference to establishing this ordinance and bringing it back to us for further discussion and approval. [1:33:25, 1:33:33]: That's correct, sir. All right. So on that note I I assume that uh I I guess the motion's in order to to give'em guidance on that or the magic? [1:33:33, 1:33:49]: Uh I would think s uh have the chief put together a best practice recommendation and bring it back to the council. That would be my motion. Okay. All right. Been second by Mr. Blount. All in favor, please indicate. All right. There you have a Chief the United States. All right. Go forth and conquer, sir. Thank you. All right. [1:33:51, 1:34:11]: All right. We've got unfinished business. Council consideration to approve the ordinance for the hiring or appointment of a deputy city clerk. Option one, hired by the city clerk. Option two, appointed by the city council, presented by says uh Renee Wheeler and Mr. Washington. But the mayor, I did ask that we might consider discussing this uh and call the executive [1:34:11, 1:34:23]: session instead of having the discussion out here. Okay, you did. And so if that is the if that's the desired council to agree to that. Yes sir. Point of order. What's your point of order, sir? [1:34:23, 1:34:25]: Uh this is not [1:34:26, 1:34:28]: And executive session items. [1:34:29, 1:34:32]: Um this is not personnel. There's no candidate. [1:34:33, 1:34:37]: So it it does not meet the threshold of executive session. All right. [1:34:38, 1:34:42]: That's uh Mr. Washington, you're at the podi at the podium now. [1:34:48, 1:34:50]: [5690.0, 5710.0]: Um you all's direction was I prepared and I prepared an ordinance which would appoint, which would allow the city clerk to be an appointed deputy clerk. That was the request that came to me. The other request was to look at whether or not there had been some history of you all doing the appointment, of which there was. [1:35:09, 1:35:29]: And you all got that brief email from me. What I want to say was that ultimately it's your decision as to what you all want to do. The clerk has presented evidence that how it's done in the majority of cities around the state, where the clerk appoints the deputy city clerk. And in but in Stockbridge, you all have been appointed. [1:35:29, 1:35:31]: Morning, the Deputy City Clerk. [1:35:31, 1:35:33]: But however that is not [1:35:33, 1:35:41]: As you know, that is not in any ordinance, that is not in any resolution. So you all are not bound by what has previously happened. [1:35:41, 1:35:45]: It's totally your t can call as to what you want to do, but [1:35:45, 1:35:48]: Even in the emails that we got from Council McGantt. [1:35:48, 1:35:56]: back early ninety-six that we at least had record of and twenty fourteen that I told you about that you all had been appointing the [1:35:57, 1:36:11]: Deputy City Clerk. And so I just want you all to have a memo. That's a that's a proposed ordinance, which the clerk will then appoint the deputy city clerk. However, it is up to you all to make the decision about what you all want to do. But if you all do not [1:36:12, 1:36:24]: do an ordinance with this, then it would be come and Mr. Gardner can speak about this, it would become a hire that would go through the normal hiring process. [1:36:25, 1:36:30]: Mayor. If I may. Yes, you could. Go ahead. [1:36:30, 1:36:35]: So I submitted to this mayor and council a request to hire. [1:36:36, 1:36:40]: the deputy city clerk, as is done. [1:36:40, 1:36:50]: by all clerks in the state of Georgia. I polled all 500 cities, plus 500 plus cities in the state of Georgia. [1:36:51, 1:37:00]: And not one response was returned where the deputy city clerk was appointed by the mayor and council. [1:37:01, 1:37:08]: All of the responses that were received and submitted to this mayor and council was a hire by the city clerk. [1:37:09, 1:37:14]: And supervised by the city clerk that was submitted to you all. [1:37:15, 1:37:32]: I had conversations with GMA, I rem relayed that information to you all that it's not best practice for the deputy city clerk to be appointed by the city clerk. Point of order. [1:37:32, 1:37:34]: The point of order is the presentation. [1:37:35, 1:37:45]: It's by Renee Wheeler and Quent uh Quentin. To have the the c city clerk to come forth on the decision we have to make whether we're gonna [1:37:45, 1:37:49]: Let the hiring continue the way it's been for years or to go into another. [1:37:50, 1:37:50]: We don't do. [1:37:51, 1:38:02]: It's it's not appropriate to have the city clerk to come up here to solidify a position that she wants versus allowing this council to go ahead and vote on what we're going to do. [1:38:03, 1:38:08]: May I may have finished it? So I I I would I would ask this council [1:38:08, 1:38:10]: That we're you know, because [1:38:12, 1:38:15]: If anyone, whether it's this situation or any situation [1:38:16, 1:38:19]: We can't have any staff member. [1:38:20, 1:38:30]: putting anything out before a decision is made by this council that would make it look like this council is moving somewhere illegally or legally not able to do what we're doing. [1:38:30, 1:38:36]: This has been done the way it's been done, has been done even all the way back to nineteen forty three. [1:38:37, 1:38:42]: So to have the city clerk to come up here and to now do a presentation [1:38:43, 1:39:03]: That puts us in a position that what if we make a decision that's not inconducible to what she's presenting, it gives a perception that's greater than the truth. The truth is, right now, this council has two options in front of it. And either one of those options has to be adhered to without all of this right here coming before. [1:39:03, 1:39:07]: before us right now that could could put a facide in front of [1:39:07, 1:39:27]: everyone that the perception is that we're doing something that we're not able to do. Mayor Ford, if I may finish May every document, everything that I just recited Vanessa, hold on for a second public record. Okay, hold on Vanessa please. Okay, so understand. All right. Um st one second please. Ms. Gad? Thank you. [1:39:27, 1:39:32]: I just think that we should do this in executive session. I do think it's a personnel matter. [1:39:32, 1:39:48]: Um, just even based off of some of the things that Miss Holliday is stating as of right now, I think that those are some of the issues that we should discuss um behind closed doors. And I I think that it's a careful it's a line there. [1:39:48, 1:39:49]: It's a fine line. [1:39:50, 1:40:10]: And I think it can go over that f that line. We're either gonna let Mrs. Wheeler and Mr. Washington present in a particular manner, or we're gonna hear from Ms. Holliday on her responses to why she feels in this particular way. And I think that it is a personal. [1:40:10, 1:40:30]: personnel I think it's I think it's a personnel matter. I think it should be disclosed. You said it was not. I think it should be discussed as a personnel matter. You said it was not. Okay. Oh hold on folks, hold on please. Currently we do not have a deputy city clerk as of August 31st. The position is vacant. So if you all are speaking about [1:40:30, 1:40:50]: The position, the terms, the appointment, that is a policy matter which would be done out here. In public. But if you all are discussing people and applications and things of that nature, then that is executive session. But because you do not currently have the the conversation was different from the last council. [1:40:50, 1:41:10]: Meeting than it is this council meeting. The last council meeting would be it could easily be into talking about the deputy city clerk and what happened to the deputy city clerk in 2014 because of the same deputy city clerk who's working for the city. That position is vacant now. And so if you're looking at a restructure or anything of that nature, then that would be a policy decision and not a personnel. [1:41:09, 1:41:18]: Decision that you all be able to do up here. However, if it is conversations about individual employees, then that is a personnel matter. [1:41:18, 1:41:38]: Correct. I think it's a combination of both. No, it's not. Okay. I and I I I that's my opinion, but that's to be safe, I just think that, you know, in light of things, I just I really wanted to talk about this behind closed doors. And I [1:41:38, 1:41:54]: I thought that maybe it was a personnel issue. That's just me. But what the hope is because it's fleshed out in an ordinance. If you all choose to have an ordinance, the discussion could be around the ordinance and either it's adoption or it's non-adoption or either it's amendment. [1:41:55, 1:42:02]: And the amendments that you want to put in the ordinance if you want to do amendments. So that way it can be confined to a policy session. [1:42:03, 1:42:23]: Okay. And I also well go ahead, go ahead. Go ahead and come. Well no, I'll let Miss Holiday or whomever else is gonna speak Mr. Thomas speak. But I I did look at some other uh um information. I I saw the information Miss Holliday gave me, but I of course looked at other cities as well and the way they handle things. [1:42:23, 1:42:41]: So everyone in the state of Georgia doesn't do it that way. We all know that things are done differently across the board. I appreciate the ones that did respond, but there are like several different options there. So I d there's some things that right we would really need to discuss and [1:42:43, 1:42:56]: We can uh so be it. But just so everybody knows, if the ordinance is not voted on, then since nothing has happened, it would go back to what is happening. It would it well, here's to clarify what should happen. [1:42:56, 1:43:00]: If you all decide not to vote on the ordinance, if you vote to [1:43:01, 1:43:04]: Prove it, that's one thing. If you vote to deny it, it's another. [1:43:04, 1:43:11]: Now if you want to still go to the question of what happens after that and council wants to do a resolution. [1:43:12, 1:43:13]: And that's something separate. [1:43:13, 1:43:20]: But otherwise it would then if you all did not adopt the ordinance, the status quo would be [1:43:21, 1:43:27]: Because there's no ordinance on this, I want to be very clear. Because there's no ordinance or resolution on it, it would be a regular hire. [1:43:29, 1:43:32]: But because you all have been doing in the past a pointing [1:43:32, 1:43:37]: Right. Successive councils are not bound by previous councils. [1:43:37, 1:43:40]: So that would not be if you all did not appoint [1:43:41, 1:43:43]: It would go through the regular hiring process. [1:43:44, 1:43:59]: That the city would have for other employees. So I just want to be clear that if you want to answer the question of what are we gonna do by the deputy city clerk, if you do not want it to go through the normal process, there would need to be an affirmative statement from counsel, either by ordinance or resolution. [1:43:59, 1:44:05]: Mr. Thomas. Thank you, Mayor. First let me say that [1:44:05, 1:44:09]: The rules for executive sessions [1:44:10, 1:44:11]: A very clear. [1:44:12, 1:44:13]: Very clear. [1:44:13, 1:44:19]: And this is not an executive session item number one. [1:44:20, 1:44:21]: Number two. [1:44:22, 1:44:28]: Under the umbrella of the municipal government here the city of Stockbridge. [1:44:29, 1:44:30]: Oh [1:44:31, 1:44:33]: And let me emphasize [1:44:33, 1:44:34]: Oh. [1:44:35, 1:44:37]: Excuse me. [1:44:38, 1:44:39]: Oh [1:44:39, 1:44:41]: Department heads and directors. [1:44:42, 1:44:44]: Had the authority [1:44:45, 1:44:46]: Two [1:44:47, 1:44:47]: Hell. [1:44:48, 1:44:49]: Within [1:44:49, 1:44:50]: There [1:44:50, 1:44:51]: department. [1:44:52, 1:44:54]: Here at the city of Startbridge, the [1:44:54, 1:44:56]: Every department head [1:44:57, 1:45:00]: has the ability and the authority. [1:45:00, 1:45:01]: To her. [1:45:03, 1:45:09]: My goal and desire, just speaking on this, is to bring this in [1:45:09, 1:45:14]: Conformity with what we do here at the city of Starkbridge. [1:45:16, 1:45:17]: Also [1:45:18, 1:45:19]: The risearch [1:45:20, 1:45:23]: shows that [1:45:24, 1:45:26]: The city of Stone Crest. [1:45:27, 1:45:29]: Peace City. [1:45:30, 1:45:31]: Brookhaven. [1:45:31, 1:45:33]: The city of Villaricker. [1:45:34, 1:45:35]: Southon. [1:45:36, 1:45:38]: Douglasville, East Point. [1:45:38, 1:45:40]: The city of Roswell. [1:45:40, 1:45:42]: College Paul. [1:45:42, 1:45:43]: The city of Atlanta. [1:45:43, 1:45:45]: The city of Tucker. [1:45:47, 1:45:49]: All of these municipalities. [1:45:50, 1:45:52]: The city clerk. [1:45:53, 1:45:55]: has that authority. [1:45:57, 1:46:00]: And it sorta just behooves me why [1:46:03, 1:46:04]: In the city of Stockbridge. [1:46:05, 1:46:12]: We should be in the difference. But even if we just focus on what we do here at the city of Stargrid, as I stated before. [1:46:13, 1:46:15]: Every department head [1:46:15, 1:46:17]: Have that authority. [1:46:19, 1:46:22]: So why would we single out one department? [1:46:23, 1:46:27]: And not have the same protocol. [1:46:28, 1:46:31]: And I would just wish somebody would explain that to me. [1:46:32, 1:46:52]: Yeah, I I yield back. Okay, thank you. On this note, I would I would re my recommendation to the council is that we do not need an ordinance for this particular action. Or no ordinance is needed, and which which means by default, if you don't have an ordinance, it means by default that uh by what I what I understand, what I've understand here is that the the position of W City Clerk would be a higher [1:46:52, 1:47:07]: in this aspect. So that's my thoughts and that's my recommendation. And I don't know if there are any other comments or how we can go forward and uh move on or with this. Yes sir. I move to approve option one. [1:47:09, 1:47:11]: Okay. Hired by the city clerk. [1:47:12, 1:47:13]: Is there a second to that motion? [1:47:14, 1:47:20]: Uh that's uh Miss Barber's second? Discussion. Okay, one second. That's Miss Clarify. [1:47:20, 1:47:33]: Option one says the uh it says here Hired by the city clerk. Hired yeah, the the appointment uh then Hired by the City Clerk. Yeah, hired by a city clerk. That's right. That position will be hired by the city clerk. That's option one. It's been secondary. I think Miss Barber, you said [1:47:35, 1:47:35]: No, d [1:47:36, 1:47:55]: No, uh well sorry about the city clerk, you wouldn't need an order. I would say you didn't need to. I think the mayor misquoted you. What m I misquoted what now? You misquoted mister because my understanding you said it's not in the orders, it c that it could be done simply by a resolution, but it wouldn't be binding another counsel that comes in. [1:47:57, 1:48:17]: Okay. Mayor. You're presenting an ordinance to us. Got you. May Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. I'm sorry. Um there's a motion on the table. Right. Discussion. Once it we'll get discussed. Go ahead. Go ahead, Mr. C. And I indicated option two, hire by the city clerk. Got it. And then and second is motion motion was seconded by believer. [1:48:17, 1:48:19]: [6499.8, 6513.8]: Okay, all right, all right. Now discussion. I've made it very clear. I will not vote for this without an executive session. All right, fine. Okay. This is how it is. Okay. Okay. We can talk about it. Okay, fine. But I cannot. Okay, that's fine. [1:48:34, 1:48:54]: Yes, Mayor. Mayor, um section fourteen point three of College Park says that the Deputy City Clerk appointment, um, the governing body may appoint a deputy city clerk to function as a city clerk in the absence of the city clerk due to illness, leave, vacancy, or other period of absence. I am looking at a couple of them that actually state that [1:48:56, 1:49:11]: I know what you sent me on the email, Miss Holliday. You also sent to me that we were the only ones that appointed in twenty fourteen. But as you see, in nineteen forty three we've been doing this. We actually did in nineteen thirty something. [1:49:12, 1:49:14]: Two thousand, two thousand two. [1:49:14, 1:49:21]: Two thousand six. Um I mean I'm looking here at the different appointments and now [1:49:21, 1:49:23]: I'm cross referencing. [1:49:24, 1:49:30]: some of the other things. I didn't even get a chance to do that, but this ordinance here in College Park says that [1:49:31, 1:49:33]: The governing body may appoint a deputy clerk. [1:49:34, 1:49:37]: Maybe I saw the I saw your email. [1:49:38, 1:49:43]: Maybe they've changed. I saw her email. Maybe they've changed along the way. [1:49:44, 1:49:45]: But [1:49:45, 1:49:51]: My concern is that we've been doing this consistently for quite a period of time. [1:49:52, 1:49:56]: I'm not rushing to do it. I understand her position in this. [1:49:57, 1:50:07]: I do have some concerns. All right. And that's it. All right. All right. Fur any further discussion before we take a vote? If I may, Mr. Oh stand by please. Any any further standby? Go ahead, please. Mr. Blount. [1:50:08, 1:50:18]: One of the things that I don't ever wanna do is is I don't want us to ever get into airing out laundry out front. Citizens don't deserve it and we shouldn't do it. [1:50:20, 1:50:22]: When a council [1:50:22, 1:50:25]: Um asked for executive session on the item. [1:50:27, 1:50:38]: When the city manager, our attorney, and this council knows the climate of what the questions may be. I don't ever want us going back and forth with any employee, any staff. [1:50:39, 1:50:42]: That's presenting something that should be presented by [1:50:43, 1:50:52]: the city m uh attorney and the de uh HR because any questions that go back and forth and direct [1:50:52, 1:51:12]: Would be going directly to that position, which that that staff is in, and that makes it almost an attack on that employee for that position. This is why I don't know why the city clerk is up here presenting this, because the questions and the and and those things that we're talking about, the pros and cons of it, and we're talking about why. [1:51:12, 1:51:20]: Why we don't or do, it shouldn't be direct, it would be directed at that position that she holds, and it makes it an employee. [1:51:21, 1:51:41]: It makes it an employee situation, which makes it an executive situation. I agree totally 100% with Mr. Alexander. This should be discussed in the executive session because you all know there's some sensitivity to this situation. And we cannot discuss it out front because I would never air any laundry out front. [1:51:41, 1:51:49]: But I would not sit here and continue to let this council, without saying anything, allow Miss, allow the city clerk to come up. [1:51:49, 1:52:06]: and make that whatever decision we make that's that we wanna make would be the wrong one unless we make the one that benefits her. I'm not gonna sit here and allow that. So it either either we air out the laundry out front why we don't wanna do it, or we go in executive session so it doesn't get personal. [1:52:07, 1:52:10]: This is where we're at. You all know this is where we're at. [1:52:11, 1:52:13]: Yeah. Yes, sir. [1:52:14, 1:52:31]: I call for the vote. Okay. Um maybe we're going to stand by. All right. So we so we got we got a motion of four to uh uh the motion is actually the the city clerk would hire option one, hire the or the deputy would be hired by the city clerk. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:52:33, 1:52:34]: All polls. [1:52:35, 1:52:49]: All right. Motion fails. All right. So motion now fails. Now I'm gonna make an alternative motion. Okay, what's your alternative motion? To re to maybe revisit this issue after an executive session discussion at some point. [1:52:51, 1:52:56]: I second. All right. Motion be made and second it. Discussion. Uh just go ahead. Mm-hmm. Discussion. [1:52:56, 1:52:57]: Okay, so [1:52:59, 1:53:02]: Our last meeting, this item was on the agenda. [1:53:02, 1:53:04]: The city attorney asks [1:53:05, 1:53:06]: That we table it. [1:53:06, 1:53:08]: For additional research. [1:53:09, 1:53:10]: That's what he said. [1:53:11, 1:53:14]: Who gave the direction or directive? [1:53:15, 1:53:17]: Ти проваде орденцы. [1:53:18, 1:53:19]: Because that wasn't [1:53:20, 1:53:22]: A directive that came from the consensus of the [1:53:23, 1:53:24]: Of the council. [1:53:25, 1:53:27]: When he said he needed to do further research. [1:53:28, 1:53:34]: I just expected that he do further research. So I wanna know where did this whole idea of [1:53:35, 1:53:38]: Whether it be a order. Mr. Washington, you wanna come back to the mic, please? [1:53:38, 1:53:40]: It was it was that was a request. [1:53:40, 1:53:45]: Well well the H R come to come come to the mic please so everybody can hear you so that the kill. [1:53:45, 1:53:46]: Mm-hmm. [1:53:47, 1:53:50]: HR sent on the agenda request form. [1:53:52, 1:53:53]: And so that's where the ordinance came from. [1:53:54, 1:54:14]: So you send eight H R, which is be Miss Renee, did ask for the the ordinance to be done. I see. Okay, does uh has that answer your question, Mary Portin? No, it doesn't. So I am still from the left, if you go back to your agenda books, the Latin the request form, that was what was on the [1:54:14, 1:54:16]: [6856.7, 6857.5]: All right. [1:54:17, 1:54:28]: Mm-hmm. So what is um unclear to me is this is just a matter of whether or not the city clerk has the authority [1:54:29, 1:54:30]: Of hiring. [1:54:31, 1:54:32]: A deputy clerk. [1:54:33, 1:54:35]: I am just really baffled. [1:54:35, 1:54:38]: While we're going around and around. [1:54:38, 1:54:40]: about a position [1:54:41, 1:54:44]: The clerk's office only has three people. [1:54:45, 1:54:46]: In that office. [1:54:47, 1:54:50]: Why are we going around and around about [1:54:50, 1:54:52]: This particular issue. [1:54:52, 1:54:53]: That's what I don't get. [1:54:54, 1:54:55]: All right. [1:54:55, 1:54:56]: The last meeting [1:54:57, 1:54:59]: When the city attorney asked that we table it. [1:54:59, 1:55:00]: For additional [1:55:01, 1:55:02]: research that he needed to do. [1:55:04, 1:55:05]: I was really baffled then. [1:55:06, 1:55:09]: Now we're here and we're still going back and forth about this. [1:55:10, 1:55:23]: No, the the research that we did was whether or not Ms. Ms Watson, could you come to the mic, please, sir, make sure you're well heard, sir. Yeah, the research we did was whether or not there had been anything that codified why the deputy city clerk was appointed. [1:55:23, 1:55:36]: Right. We did not have anything that told us, but continually you all have you all meaning the city of Stockbridge and council's before has appointed the deputy city clerk. [1:55:37, 1:55:45]: There's never been an ordinance saying that you all appointed the deputy city clerk. It's not in the charter. There's no resolution on that, but it is done. [1:55:45, 1:56:04]: And so that was the research to determine whether or not that was something that was done, or that was something that you all were following a directive of an ordinance or the charter or anything of that nature. And that was not able to be found in that, but there is a consistent practice going back several decades. [1:56:04, 1:56:05]: That appoints. [1:56:06, 1:56:07]: Thank you, sir. [1:56:07, 1:56:08]: All right. [1:56:10, 1:56:10]: Okay. [1:56:11, 1:56:15]: Continue on discussion, sir. Um I I just wanna say this. Um [1:56:17, 1:56:21]: When when when this item come has just come up [1:56:25, 1:56:28]: The time of this item becomes interesting. [1:56:29, 1:56:37]: Because if this has been the practice long before we all I mean, even back to 1943. [1:56:39, 1:56:49]: What is being set before us today is that either this practice is gonna continue in the ordinance or we're gonna move the practice away from us that's been in this city. [1:56:49, 1:56:53]: And give it and move it to one, or we're gonna move it to two? [1:56:54, 1:57:00]: That's the climate. That's it here. Everybody we can sit here and go back and forth. Everybody knows what we're dealing with here. [1:57:00, 1:57:07]: And we'll be here all night because everybody's gotta talk around issues because we're not making an executive session issue. [1:57:09, 1:57:16]: So either we're going if you don't want to table this, I'm willing I'm ready to vote for number two since one failed. We already voted. [1:57:17, 1:57:18]: But to do what? They already voted. [1:57:19, 1:57:26]: They voted one one was voted down. It was voted. They never they never voted. There was one one was voted down, three, two. [1:57:27, 1:57:29]: I I I like to make a a motion. [1:57:29, 1:57:31]: There's a motion on the table. [1:57:31, 1:57:33]: By Councilman Alexander. [1:57:34, 1:57:45]: A motion on the table that I made to revisit this after an executive session or private discussion at some point. Ms. Gantt second that. That's right. That that's the motion that's currently on the table now. I'm fine with that. [1:57:46, 1:58:03]: Okay, so we we're in the discussion phase. Thank you for that. During the discussion phase. So any other discussion? If not, then then what it's what's uh what is it we read the motion the motion's been read it's been second. All in favor of that motion please end. No attorney needs to speak because you are violating executive session rules if you do that. [1:58:06, 1:58:20]: If you are going to be discussing the position, then it's public. We're discussing some personnel involved in that. That's what we're doing. The difficulty is is that you do not have a person in that position anymore. [1:58:20, 1:58:33]: Okay. There you go. There's there's not a deputy there's not currently a deputy city clerk. So if we were going in to talk about uh the current deputy city clerk or a the deputy city clerk, that's a personnel matter. [1:58:33, 1:58:41]: Okay, I I withdraw my motion. Okay, there it goes. Withdraw. All right. I'd like to motion. You would like to make a motion, sir. I'd like to make a motion that we accept option two. [1:58:41, 1:58:43]: Sir second that motion. [1:58:43, 1:58:45]: I second. Okay, and further discussion. [1:58:47, 1:58:48]: All in favor, please and okay. [1:58:50, 1:58:53]: Option two says appointed by the city council is what it says. [1:58:55, 1:58:57]: So that's option two. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:58:59, 1:59:00]: I'll post. [1:59:01, 1:59:02]: Well [1:59:03, 1:59:06]: Okay, three opposed. All right. Motion fails. Okay. [1:59:08, 1:59:09]: Or a stalemate. [1:59:10, 1:59:20]: So now at this point, everybody, we're now able to take a regular high. We're choosing not to appoint during this council legislative session. So that wasn't council legislative session. [1:59:20, 1:59:31]: M Mr. Come back to the mic. We voted not to go with option number. Mr. Washington, explain this please. [1:59:31, 1:59:51]: We vote hold on hold we hold on voted not to go. Hold on, let it let the attorney explain. But option number one was what's in front of you the ordinance, which would allow it would be an ordinance that would be put into the set of ordinances that would allow for the clerk to appoint the deputy city clerk. That was ordinance number number one. [1:59:51, 1:59:59]: Number two. Which failed. Okay. Number two was whether or not you are going to appoint. [1:59:59, 2:00:02]: the deputy city clerk. That figure. [2:00:03, 2:00:20]: Right. So on those two issues, now you're not appointing and it's not an ordinance which would allow the deputy um which would allow the clerk to be able to appoint. So at that point it becomes a regular hire because they're I'd like to reconsider the motion. [2:00:21, 2:00:28]: A second. About it being hot. But look, that's what when we walk through this, that's what we got these that different options. Or reconsider the motion. [2:00:29, 2:00:44]: Okay, he can legally he made you made a motion originally, is that correct? Okay, and that could that can be done. And it has to be second on the prevailing side, yes. Excuse me now? The person on the prevailing side of the motion to reconsider. And he reconsidered that has to be seconded as well, is that correct? Yeah. Second consideration. [2:00:44, 2:00:46]: And does it have to be second by the prevailing person? [2:00:47, 2:00:49]: No, okay, I second. [2:00:49, 2:00:59]: Mayor Ford. Yeah, so okay. Motion reconsider has been uh made. Motion made one second, sir. Reconsider the motion has been made in the second. Further discussion. Sir, go ahead please. What is the reconsideration? [2:01:01, 2:01:14]: The reconsideration was whether to for the council to appoint. Since the original vote was not for the council to appoint, I'm asking for a reconsideration so we can leave leave it where it was. So I'm reconsidering that. [2:01:15, 2:01:16]: I seca. [2:01:16, 2:01:18]: All right, motion's made a second. [2:01:18, 2:01:19]: Mayor Ford. [2:01:20, 2:01:22]: Yes ma'am. [2:01:22, 2:01:24]: For the council to appoint [2:01:25, 2:01:29]: The prevailing side failed by three. That would be myself [2:01:30, 2:01:32]: Councilman Alexander and Councilman Thomas. [2:01:33, 2:01:33]: So [2:01:34, 2:01:42]: Myself or Councilman Thomas would need to second his motion. No. You just want I'm sorry. Anyone can second. [2:01:42, 2:01:53]: I thought you said the prevailing side of two the person on the prevailing side has to make the person who's on the prevailing side has to move and be safe. Anybody can say. [2:01:53, 2:02:00]: Gotcha. Thank you, sir. Mayor, am I able to speak? We'll need to speak. Y Yes, go ahead. [2:02:01, 2:02:03]: So with this motion [2:02:03, 2:02:05]: And with this ordinance. [2:02:06, 2:02:07]: This department [2:02:07, 2:02:27]: Would be the only department in the city that has someone under the city. Mayor, point of order. We cannot do this out front. Point of order. Point of order. What's the point of order? We cannot have city clerk or any staff member telling us why. [2:02:27, 2:02:47]: We shouldn't do something sitting up here because what's gonna happen is we'll tell her why we should. Okay, well here's the deal. I'm gonna I'm gonna override your point order. I'm gonna do that. Okay, then it'll get messy. Okay, it'll get messy because we're gonna override your point order. Okay, then by this I am not telling the council or anything to do. [2:02:47, 2:02:51]: Mayor. [2:02:51, 2:02:58]: Uh point of order. Point of order, Mayor. Come on, really. Appeal to the council to overrule the chair. Second. [2:02:59, 2:03:03]: Really? Mr Watson, come back up here, please. [2:03:03, 2:03:04]: Yes. [2:03:04, 2:03:09]: I just want to hire my standard. Point of order to move forward. Hold hold on a second. Hold on. [2:03:09, 2:03:15]: There was a point of point. Stand by, folks. Stand by. All right. Mr. Washington. [2:03:15, 2:03:19]: I overrode a point of order from Mr. Blount to allow the clerk to speak. [2:03:20, 2:03:40]: Mr. Alessandro, you want some more you want to point order to override a good decision for the council override my point over to keep her from speaking. Is that illegal? Can that happen? Yes. That would be my majority vote of the order. Okay, fine. So be it. So you made you made a point of order, Mr. Alessandra. Is there a second that point of order? Second. Okay, is there all in favor of the point of order? Okay, fine. So they override it. So I [2:03:40, 2:03:55]: Oh stand by standby. So you over stand by you override me to speak before for to allow her to speak. What a mouse override my decision. So on that note, legally, sorry, Miss Holloway, you cannot you cannot speak. I understand. All right, good deal. Now, counsel. [2:03:55, 2:04:06]: Now we have uh we still have a s uh uh m miss Hobb, could you go please sit down to Well I was actually taking the notes, but okay. Well you can you can do it from there, please. All right. So where do we go from here, Mr. Washington? [2:04:07, 2:04:23]: If you all s right now, you all have the option of you're doing a motion to reconsider to determine whether or not you want to appoint. If you choose not to appoint, it will be a regular hiring pro regular hire that will go through the regular stock reach hiring process. [2:04:24, 2:04:26]: Okay. All right. So what's the desire of the council? [2:04:27, 2:04:28]: Mayor. Yes, ma'am. [2:04:28, 2:04:31]: I first of all, before I make this motion [2:04:33, 2:04:34]: Um with our respect. [2:04:35, 2:04:36]: Mr Washington. [2:04:37, 2:04:41]: Since nineteen the nineteen thirties, we've been appointing a deputy clerk. That's correct. [2:04:42, 2:04:45]: You can't just come in here and say [2:04:45, 2:04:57]: Oh, by the way, since y'all have been doing it this way, even though you've been doing it, we're gonna stop it and you can just all of a sudden now rehire. There's gotta be something in there. I'm saying th there has th you're saying it's open. [2:04:57, 2:05:02]: And it's available where it could be done that way. But we've we've [2:05:02, 2:05:20]: We have some type of history here. We have a and I why am I illegal right now, but I'm on the edge of my seat. We have provided a way of of handling things since the thirties. I see exactly what it's like. And so what I'm saying to you is [2:05:22, 2:05:42]: You come up to the podium and then say, Well, if you don't vote on either one of these options, then they can just hire. And I don't think that's the case. So I'll tell you exactly what it's like. It's like when term of court ends. It's a new term of court. When you all make prior counsels have decided that they want to stick to to tradition and appoint a day. [2:05:42, 2:05:43]: Deputy City Clerk. [2:05:44, 2:06:04]: However, that's not done by ordinance. And if it's done by resolution, the resolutions die at the end of a legislative term for the legislative body. Okay. Just like when you all, you know, when we do contracts, right? You can't do multi-year contracts with cities because multi-year contracts bind successive councils. You can do [2:06:03, 2:06:23]: A five-year contract where it is a for a year with a termination clause, but if you decide not to enact the termination clause, it can be renewed for a successive number of four years. Okay. The same thing is here because you all do not have an ordinance or the charter does not specify it, then there's nothing that would bind you to be able to. [2:06:23, 2:06:25]: A point. [2:06:25, 2:06:33]: The city clerk. If you are the deputy city clerk, if you all choose to appoint a deputy city clerk, and you do not have to choose now, you can choose. [2:06:33, 2:06:53]: From the next meeting or until whenever. However, the process would still be if you all do not speak into that space, the process will be a normal process unless you speak into that space. Well then in that case, I would like to make a motion to approve the second ordinance. I'm sorry, your motion is what now? Approve the second ordinance. [2:06:53, 2:07:04]: Listed that the city um appoints a deputy clerk. Okay. Mr. Blount, you second that? Yeah. Any further discussion? [2:07:04, 2:07:24]: Any further discussion? This w what is the option to leave what we're doing alone until w what is that option? So if you do if you do nothing, then it's subsequent council meetings, you can decide to appoint. But if not, it would still go through the regular hiring. But but the deal is if we don't do anything, nobody can hire anybody, right? [2:07:24, 2:07:28]: No, it would be it would be the hire that would come through HR and the city manager. [2:07:29, 2:07:33]: Okay, so if we don't take an action then somebody could go out and hire somebody tomorrow. Yeah. [2:07:35, 2:07:38]: Makes sense. It'll be the process that the city manager will come up with because it's on the executive side. [2:07:39, 2:07:42]: Mr. City Manager, come on for the podium. [2:07:43, 2:07:52]: Um let's change it. Yeah, yes, Mr. Thomas says Mr. Gardner's coming up. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. Uh option two has been motion second and failed. [2:07:54, 2:08:05]: Yes it did. It didn't fail. You didn't ask for the vote? Yeah yes it did. Initially I th initially we he actually reconsidered. He did reconsider. It did initially fail, then it reconsidered. And then that reconsider reconsideration passed. [2:08:08, 2:08:19]: My my question to you, sir, is if we decide to delay this to make a decision with subsequent discussion, we hold off on a higher in this position. [2:08:21, 2:08:27]: Yes. Until your next meeting which will be the twenty sixth of September, I think it is. [2:08:30, 2:08:33]: That's the next time council meet to consider if you table it. [2:08:37, 2:08:41]: Okay, that's our work session. Twenty sixth of September is correct. [2:08:41, 2:08:42]: That's a work session. I can't do it. [2:08:45, 2:08:49]: All right, council. Yes. Okay, so where are we? [2:08:50, 2:09:10]: Mayor Ford. Yes, well I think the motion. I think the motion yes yes sir well I think the motion was uh pointed by the city council. I believe that's that motion was uh uh made by you, Ms. Gantt, and seconded by Mr. Blount. Mr. Thomas, you have some additional comments. Well I I I was going to make another motion. I didn't know we'd be. I don't know we got a motion on the stage. Okay, and the motion on the floor is to change the ordinary [2:09:10, 2:09:12]: [7752.8, 7760.9]: It says appointed by the city council. Mo option two is appointed by the city council. That's the motion that's on the floor right now. Right, but would it be by would it be by ordinance or resolution? [2:09:21, 2:09:32]: Well, I don't know, I didn't make the motion. I I re I earlier in my comments I recommended we don't have an ordinance on this at all. But So let me ask that let me ask another question. So if we do pass this today, we could change it at any time, right? Right. Depending on what you passed. [2:09:32, 2:09:41]: If we pass that the city council appoint, we could turn around and and change it if we chose to. Yes. That would be that would assume that that's assuming that you're doing it by resolution. [2:09:41, 2:09:48]: Right. So that's what we're doing? No. Well I don't know. Will of counsel expressed in two ways resolution or ordinance? [2:09:49, 2:09:52]: Ms. Gantt made the motion. What's the motion? [2:09:53, 2:09:55]: If we do it by ordinance, we can't change it. [2:09:55, 2:10:03]: Yes, you can change it, but just it has to be a ordin a written the different rules for ordinances opposed to residents. Okay. And what is that rule? [2:10:04, 2:10:11]: The ordinance would have to be written that you're changing and it would go through the mayor's off the mayor's office for his signature of veto. [2:10:11, 2:10:31]: Okay, I'm okay with that'cause it's just draft, right? An amendment. I'm okay with that. So if you miss so example for example, if you're taking the ordinance that's written and you decide you want to amend it from the DS and say that we want to change this to where the city council appoints and this is the person that the person reports to and all that stuff, you can do it here and that will become [2:10:31, 2:10:51]: The new ordinance that would be drafted and go to the mayor for signature. If the mayor signs it, then it goes to Municode and it is an ordinance. If the mayor vetoes it, then it comes back to you all to decide about vetoing it. If it's a resolution, then it would not go to the mayor. It would be a resolution saying that you all are going to appoint. And then as they were going. [2:10:51, 2:10:58]: through the process to get the candidates and all that stuff they brought to you all for you to make decisions about who you're appointing. [2:11:00, 2:11:01]: Mm-hmm. [2:11:02, 2:11:07]: That same process would also happen during an ordinance, but you would have the mayor's signature on the ordinance. [2:11:08, 2:11:10]: that would go up to Munico. [2:11:14, 2:11:34]: The resolution gives the mayor the resolution does not give the mayor because it's not an ordinance. The resolution does not give the mayor the ability to veto it. If you do an ordinance, the mayor will be told it's a good idea. What I do what I may have to be told. Okay, good question. I'll answer that question here. I made a recommendation that I don't think an ordinance is needed at all for this action. This action should go back just [2:11:34, 2:11:54]: We I think we whatever reason, whatever reason what has happened to pass, I think it needs to change, and uh and I believe that the city clerk should be able to actually um go ahead and hire, along with the process with the HR, to hire the deputy. Now, if you ask, will I veto it? Well, I'll tell you what, if it becomes an ordinance and four of you don't agree, then the chances are I would vote. [2:11:54, 2:12:09]: of V to it, which would which prolong things, so I'm not in favor of doing orders in the first place. So to answer your question, yes, the option if the option is there, if four of you don't say if four of you don't pass this, then I the option is most likely I would V to it. Then we'll back to square one. [2:12:09, 2:12:28]: All right? And and and you know I can I will vote I will veto things if need be. Now whether or not you override me is not a story. You overwrote me this night. All right, but the but I don't think we should have an ordinance, period. You shouldn't have it. I'm telling you. But you all decide and then if you give me the option, I'll make a decision based on my options. Okay. All right. All right. [2:12:29, 2:12:31]: So what do you want to do? [2:12:31, 2:12:35]: I will make it I will move to make it a resolution. [2:12:36, 2:12:38]: Okay,'cause I can't vote over resolutions. That's right. [2:12:39, 2:12:53]: Okay. So you what's your actual motion now? Uh what's your motion for this? Now make sure the clerks got it right and we all understand. The question is that we continue on like we've been on which is option which is the second option. We've been doing this since the nineteen thirties. [2:12:54, 2:12:57]: Where the council appoints a deputy clerk. [2:12:59, 2:13:19]: Okay, that's that's that's your motion. Is there a second to the motion? Mayor there was no vote on the first motion option. That's that's right. The appointment of the I I We already had a motion on the floor, that's correct. Unless she rescinds I rescind that option. You rescind which option? For the second ordinance. And I would like to change that to a resolution. [2:13:20, 2:13:32]: Okay. Okay, make sure we got this right under writing so we'd be accurate with this. So you're you're you're so you're rescinding the first one about option two in reference to the appointment of by the city council. You're rescinding that one. Is that what you're saying? [2:13:32, 2:13:38]: Yes. Okay, and now you made so that's resent. So you made it so you can rescind that. Okay, now you're s your next motion is to do what now? [2:13:39, 2:13:48]: To make a resolution that states that the uh deputy clerk shall be appointed by the C City Council. [2:13:48, 2:14:00]: Okay, is there a second that motion? Is it further any further discussion? Yes, well uh I reserved the right to come back for a later discussion with this, but tonight to move things forward, we'll call for the vote. [2:14:01, 2:14:04]: Any further conversation? All right, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:14:05, 2:14:06]: Opposed. [2:14:08, 2:14:11]: So motion pass three to two. All right, we'll move on. [2:14:14, 2:14:34]: Consent agenda. Council of Consideration approved Yellowstone Landscape, Campground Road, and Hudson Bridge Road, medium enhancement payment and amount of$70,158.96. Mr. Aaron has that. Council Consideration approved the surplus list of items from information technology in City Hall in place for advertisement on the ground. [2:14:34, 2:14:54]: Goldoves platform for sale as prescribed. Mr. Wiggins has that. Council consideration approved upskill uh Stockbridge Memorandum of Understanding MU, MOU between the city uh Stockbridge and Southern Crescent Technical College for the 2023-2024 academic year. Uh [2:14:54, 2:15:01]: And that's uh Mr. Alant says that these are on a consent agenda. You're all in favor? Yes, sir. What what question do you have, sir? [2:15:01, 2:15:06]: I've gotten three different um eras of of um [2:15:06, 2:15:08]: Of funding. [2:15:09, 2:15:10]: For [2:15:12, 2:15:13]: And it's not on here. [2:15:14, 2:15:20]: uh for the Hudson Bridge Road project. Because one of the thing one of the things my uh [2:15:20, 2:15:25]: I'm for any beautification we're doing on Hudson Bridge Road. [2:15:25, 2:15:27]: I wanna put that out first. [2:15:27, 2:15:34]: Okay. But Hudson Bridge Road used to go all the way down to forty two until they called it Eagles Landing Road. [2:15:35, 2:15:39]: And one of the things that we're doing if we're gonna do that road [2:15:40, 2:15:44]: And we need to state where the funding is, put it on here on the agenda, first of all. [2:15:45, 2:15:46]: Funding source. [2:15:47, 2:15:53]: But if we're gonna start doing that, we gotta look at Eagles Landing Parkway. We gotta look at w all this rock. [2:15:54, 2:15:58]: right there at Rock Quarry and Eagles Landing Parkway, that that medium [2:15:58, 2:16:01]: It's not a grass medium, but it's a dilapidated medium. [2:16:02, 2:16:09]: That now the city needs to start looking at and paying attention to. Look at the signs. Look at this the overhead signs. [2:16:10, 2:16:12]: You can't even read'em, they're so dilapidated. [2:16:13, 2:16:15]: So we're gonna start funding [2:16:16, 2:16:28]: The roads. Let's fund the road. The whole road. The whole area. The whole road. Let's put funding there for the the whole road. And then we need to put on here where we identifying the funding at. [2:16:30, 2:16:32]: Does anybody on here know where it's coming from? [2:16:32, 2:16:51]: Because what I've been told, I'm just trying to make sure we can get it from there. All right, this these are all three on the consent agenda now, uh which would take which consent agenda would take one vote. Now, each and the individuals that have these topics are all here. If we need an individual discussion on that, I suppose. But we probably need to break it out of consent agenda if that's the case, I would imagine. [2:16:52, 2:16:56]: My my my my problem is with this, what I'm saying, Mayor. Okay. [2:16:57, 2:17:13]: Is I'm okay with the city uh consent agenda. Okay. But like we've a always asked Mr. Aaron, could you read the podium please? Everything needs to have the funding source posted. But when we start talking about roads, which you c we're broken up in districts now. [2:17:14, 2:17:24]: And the minute they start fixing up Hudson Bridge Road and they l I'm gonna get the calls about that medium right there at Rock Bridge, I'm gonna say right there at Rock Bridge and Eagles Landing Parkway. [2:17:26, 2:17:28]: So when we start talking about beautification. [2:17:29, 2:17:31]: Don't don't don't include ugly. [2:17:31, 2:17:35]: And thinking I'm gonna be okay with it for district district three. [2:17:35, 2:17:43]: We need to make sure that we're we're we're cleaning that at least clean it up. All right. All right, Mr. Aaron, and can you answer those questions here? [2:17:43, 2:17:57]: So as far as the funding that was coming from the three percent non restrict the hotel motel tax for the Hudson Road, Eagles Land I'm Hudson Road Ridge Road and Campground Road beautification project. [2:17:57, 2:17:59]: How much is in that three percent? [2:17:59, 2:18:00]: [8281.0, 8281.9]: Mr. Wiggins. [2:18:03, 2:18:03]: So [2:18:05, 2:18:07]: Uh thank you. Mr. Wiggins, can you come forward please? [2:18:09, 2:18:11]: About a million dollars. [2:18:12, 2:18:12]: Yeah. [2:18:13, 2:18:14]: What's the question? [2:18:15, 2:18:20]: The question is on the hotel motel tax, this is gonna come from the three percent. [2:18:20, 2:18:21]: How much money is in the three percent? [2:18:22, 2:18:23]: Oh [2:18:24, 2:18:27]: For the um hotel motel fund balance. [2:18:27, 2:18:29]: Last it was from the heart, it was about [2:18:30, 2:18:41]: See, Mr. Wiggins, I told y'all before and I you know you know, I appreciate everything y'all do. But this is a question But when we start talking about about and around that that doesn't go anywhere with me. [2:18:42, 2:18:45]: Because we got computers, we need to have figures, we need to have extra figures. [2:18:47, 2:19:00]: So when we when we put on the agenda that this gonna come from hotel motel tax, this is a prudent question that's gonna be asked. How much is in there? Because if there's enough in there, I wanna see uh Eagles Landing Parkway done too. [2:19:00, 2:19:05]: If we're spending money from hotel motel, so I need to I really need to know how much money we got in there. [2:19:07, 2:19:10]: We'll have to get back to you. I'll I can get it to you, send it to you tomorrow. [2:19:10, 2:19:24]: But we can't put this stuff on the agenda unless we got the answers to the question. I wanna see Hudson Bridge Road beautified. I thank uh Mr. Alexander for the work that they've been doing down there. It looks like night and day from what it used to look like. [2:19:25, 2:19:38]: I wanna see it beautified, but also wanna see District 3 area beautified. I wanna see Eagles Landing Parkway and O'Sign, if we're using hotel motel tax at 3%, let me know what what what's in that 3% account. [2:19:39, 2:19:47]: Because I need to know I need to know even if the seventy thousand dollars in there. You send me m m if I could respond. [2:19:48, 2:20:08]: Go right ahead, please, sir. Yeah, Mr. Blount, I I certainly concur with your sentiments in that uh the whole area. If you remember two years ago when we originally passed this, that was exactly what we were supposed to do. Uh Campground Road and Hudson Bridge was supposed to be the first project. There were supposed to be additional projects. [2:20:08, 2:20:28]: All around the city as a part of all of the beautification. That was just supposed to be the initial project. The Campground Road Project and the Hudson Bridge project are complete. We just need to pay for them at this point. And I believe there's close to a million dollars in this hotel motel tax. [2:20:28, 2:20:48]: Uh account. I think you had like eight or nine hundred thousand dollars in the account. Last saw it was eight hundred, eight hundred sixty thousand. So it with over the year we've been collecting it throughout the year. So there's plenty of money in there. We just need to prioritize what we're needing to do and set the priorities for each district. As you said at the time when we passed this, we didn't have [2:20:47, 2:20:59]: districts. So maybe we should go back and look at what each district specifically needs. And I concur because I share Eagles Landing Parkway with you that Median certainly does need to be cleaned up. [2:21:00, 2:21:01]: Ms. Barber, you had a comment? [2:21:03, 2:21:22]: Well this item is on the consent agenda. It is on the consent agenda. So I didn't think we would have discussions regarding items that are on the consent agenda. Well normally you you know I would say normally we probably do not, but uh since there's a concern about the funding issue, I thought we'd just maybe go down the road. [2:21:22, 2:21:24]: I'm sorry, say again, please. [2:21:25, 2:21:42]: Would it be best for us to remove this particular item from the consent agenda so that we can have discussions? Yeah, well that's uh probably something we can do. Okay. I would imagine I would make a motion to remove this from the consent agenda so we can have further discussions. Is there a second motion? [2:21:43, 2:21:44]: Okay, all in favor please? Okay. [2:21:45, 2:21:50]: Okay, there we go. We'll take it off the consent agenda. It's off the consent agenda, so go ahead with discussions of item number nine. [2:21:51, 2:21:53]: Any further comments or questions about item number nine? [2:21:54, 2:21:55]: Well [2:21:55, 2:21:58]: In response to Mr. Алеxander, uh [2:22:00, 2:22:03]: Mr. Wickins, you said it's over eight hundred thousand in in there. [2:22:03, 2:22:06]: Yeah, but I I do want to uh But what is the three percent? [2:22:08, 2:22:11]: Three percent that we I'm not talking about the overall collection. [2:22:12, 2:22:15]: Because we can only divert the three percent. [2:22:16, 2:22:17]: What is the three percent? [2:22:18, 2:22:20]: I'll have to get back to you with that. [2:22:20, 2:22:25]: See that's the question that's the question in itself. [2:22:26, 2:22:30]: Because if it's not there if it's if if this amount is not there. [2:22:31, 2:22:35]: Then where are the r where the rest gonna come from if we approve it tonight? [2:22:37, 2:22:43]: The rest for what? If if the seventy thousand is not there in the three percent. [2:22:45, 2:22:45]: You say it is? [2:22:46, 2:23:06]: I'm I'm pretty sure that 70,000, we have 70,000 for the city. But see, Mr. Wiggins, as our treasure, we can't have you, pretty sure. We have to say yes or no. But we but I need to have these questions before when you're talking about figures. But if you put it on the agenda, y'all should be ready for everything. Whoever put it on the agenda, I need to know what's in that three percent because if there's seventy [2:23:06, 2:23:12]: but seventy thousand is not in there, then where's the rest of the money gonna come from if we approve this tonight? [2:23:12, 2:23:13]: Yeah. [2:23:13, 2:23:14]: Stand by please. [2:23:15, 2:23:25]: That that's my c I'm just saying that's my question. I'm not trying to put anybody on blast or anything. I'm just saying if we're going to have a funding source for any projects. [2:23:26, 2:23:46]: We need to make sure the funding source is feasible enough to supply the money for this. And if we want to expand the areas of these funding sources for the projects, then you we should be able to be told that the money is there. I mean, that's all. I'm not trying to put Ms. We're not trying to put your glass or you, Mr. Uh Eric. I'm just trying to say if the three [2:23:46, 2:23:49]: per if it's coming from the three percent, I just need to know that number. [2:23:50, 2:23:57]: So could we have a motion to approve pending the the seventy thousand dollars is in that account so we don't have to come back? [2:23:58, 2:24:18]: I'm fine with that. I'm fine. I'm fine with leaving. I'm I'm fine with that. And in reference to yours about the Eagles Landing, the Eagles Landing Homeowners Association, the median there from I think it's like Country Club down to Highway 42 is maintained by them. The road is in the process of being resurfaced, and Henry County is taking a lead on that as part [2:24:18, 2:24:38]: Of our T-SPLOST, the city is contributing a portion towards the resurfacing and beautification of Eagles Landing Parkway and Hudson Bridge Road. So that is that is on the docket, but the city is contributing like 800,000 out of our T-SPLOST, and Henry County has it in their contract with Blount for the resurfacing. [2:24:38, 2:24:45]: surfacing no I'll be both landing and Austin Bridge. [2:24:46, 2:24:50]: When you coming south on Rock Quarry. [2:24:50, 2:24:54]: To Eagles Landing Parkway before you cross over to Patrick Henry? Yes. [2:24:54, 2:24:56]: That medium is so long. [2:24:57, 2:25:01]: That I'm literally seeing people because the striping is gone. [2:25:01, 2:25:15]: Prit is is really bad and the medium is busted. I'm talking about safety. That th that that rock and all that stuff needs to be fixed, painted, where people know that it's on the other side of that yellow that you need to turn. But [2:25:15, 2:25:34]: That's part of the resurfacing and but but but I can't wait months or another year or all this. We have to we have to hear we have to make it safe. You got you got loose rocks. You got loose rocks sitting over there at the that's the part I'm talking about. Either we gonna make it look real ugly by removing the rocks. [2:25:34, 2:25:36]: Oh, we're gonna go in and just lease. [2:25:37, 2:25:39]: Uh fixed the curve on it and paint it yellow. [2:25:40, 2:25:40]: I mean [2:25:41, 2:25:52]: That's not too expensive to do that while everybody's doing everything else. I'd rather lose fifteen thousand dollars doing it, doing that, rather than lose somebody's life because we didn't do it. [2:25:55, 2:25:57]: That's what I'm saying. It's a safety hazard. [2:25:59, 2:26:01]: Ms. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. [2:26:01, 2:26:09]: Ma Mayor Ford, for me it it's apparent that we're not ready to to to vote on this issue. [2:26:09, 2:26:29]: uh that's information that's that's needed. Uh councilman Alexander somewhat mentioned uh the possibility of dividing funds up uh for the entire city. It just it just appeared to mean that we are not ready. Uh Mr. Wiggins, Mr. Aaron [2:26:29, 2:26:40]: It's apparent also that you all need to come back with f facts and figures in order for this council to make these kind of decisions. [2:26:40, 2:27:00]: It's it's it's it it it just it's just it's just a mess right now and and I I just don't see how we and and I know um Councilman Blount has said this before about when we have agenda items, staff need to be prepared to come with facts and figures. And I think this is where we are again. So I just [2:27:00, 2:27:20]: Don't see us being able to make a decision tonight because the information is not there. And I'm leaning toward a comment that uh Councilman Alexander made about let's look and see how we can divide funds up for the entire city, not just in one or two particular uh uh areas. So [2:27:20, 2:27:30]: So I I just think we just need to go back to the drawing board with a little bit more homework. Because uh I'm ready to vote on the contingency. [2:27:31, 2:27:32]: I'm ready to vote on it. [2:27:33, 2:27:35]: Uh when you know w [2:27:36, 2:27:41]: I'm just when I when I brought up Eagles Landing Parkway, we have to look at that road in itself. [2:27:42, 2:27:59]: When you have those projects that are in everyone's different districts, I'm not gonna say anything about that. I'm not gonna say, oh, what about me? What about me? It's not that. I'm talking about the health hazard. If there's money to fix that area, let's do it. So I'm I'm ready to vote on the contingency. [2:27:59, 2:28:05]: I I'm not in a position where I'm not ready to vote because this is before us and if we have the funds to do it, [2:28:06, 2:28:08]: We can I'm I'm okay with doing it. [2:28:09, 2:28:25]: My problem is is that we need figures in front of us. We shouldn't have to deal with contingencies and we need to go ahead and move forward with what the totality of everything put before us and Eagles Landing Parkway is a is a is a it's dangerous. [2:28:26, 2:28:29]: Is d y you can't see the stripings. You got rocks in the road. [2:28:30, 2:28:34]: There's that's a there's a danger sitting there. And so if money is in there. [2:28:35, 2:28:37]: We we need to we need to use it. [2:28:38, 2:28:44]: Even if it's just a small fix to just clean the rocks up and somebody go by and put the and and just paint it. [2:28:45, 2:28:52]: If we gotta redo it, then so so be it. I don't want anybody losing, getting hurt because we're not doing our due diligence and making it safe. [2:28:52, 2:28:58]: Mr. Aaron, you made a suggestion earlier. Uh I think if the council heard that could some about uh [2:28:58, 2:29:18]: A comment about coming b coming back if it approved tonight, you come back with some additional information? Uh John's gonna verify tomorrow what the uh a budget what the amount is in that in that fund. And if it's the seventy thousand dollars, which I know it is, then we it we get that information to you, but it's [2:29:18, 2:29:29]: pending on the money being available so that we can go ahead and pay the vendor. So well with that being said, you you almost like you don't really know if it's in there. So I think No the uh [2:29:30, 2:29:49]: I have assurance that the funding is there. And so but I just don't wanna we gotta wait till the next meeting, what that's two weeks from now, three weeks from now, whatever the next meeting to go ahead and pay for work that has been done. I mean the project has been completed. And it and it's a beautiful. So this is to pay for something that's already been done? [2:29:50, 2:30:03]: You know, the the conversation was uh as I recall when we discussed this, it was if it was determined that it could be paid from the hotel motel tax, then we move forward with the project. And and that's what we did. [2:30:04, 2:30:20]: Right. That's what that's the original discussion we had two years ago. It was approved by the council and voted on. Then then why didn't we do it? Then if that was the case, why didn't we do it? That's why we moved forward with the project. It was that we could pay for it out of that non [2:30:20, 2:30:27]: non restricted hotel motel tax. And so that's what we're using to pay for the project. [2:30:27, 2:30:47]: It but then I g I I kinda go back to what I was saying, if that's the case, if if you've already done that how did you PO the project without without the funds already being allocated? We don't have the PO, that's why we're coming now. So it was determined that it was it should have came back before it counts to get the resolution. So y'all done it or [2:30:47, 2:30:51]: No P.O. and then you come to council to pay for it. [2:30:51, 2:30:53]: Because the question was [2:30:54, 2:31:11]: Can it be paid out of the hotel and then but there's also but even Mr. Aaron, you know, even with that, there's still a process in place. Yes. There's not an urgency in place to do it. I realize that there's a process in place to make it happen. Yes. And that process is flawed right now. That's that that's been flawed. [2:31:11, 2:31:12]: So I mean [2:31:13, 2:31:14]: We um [2:31:14, 2:31:22]: We may have to so is there a motion? What's what's the motion for this particular item, Council? Um I think that my motion is [2:31:23, 2:31:25]: And in motion. Let's go for it. [2:31:27, 2:31:29]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. [2:31:29, 2:31:45]: It's already done. For me and and and Mr. Blount sort of hit the nail on the head. And and and I wanna re restate this and re-emphasize this because this practice, Mr. Aaron. [2:31:46, 2:31:47]: Should not happen again. [2:31:48, 2:31:52]: The work should never be done before. [2:31:52, 2:31:56]: The item has come before the council and and and and approved. [2:31:57, 2:32:14]: And I just wanna just go on record to say that even though the work now has been done and and somebody is is owed the the finances, you know, it leaves us with no choice. But I just wanna mention this process, we should never [2:32:16, 2:32:17]: Mr. City Manager. [2:32:19, 2:32:39]: It let me just it does not fall on the city manager, it falls on me. I take responsibility for it. But what happened though? The conversation was whether it could be paid out of hotel, motel tax. That was the biggest conversation. And if it could be, then we'd move forward with it. We just have to come back before. [2:32:38, 2:32:50]: for council and formally ratify it. Once we found out that it could, then we just we moved forward with the project because it was during the growing season. It wasn't we were trying to hide or circumvent anything. [2:32:50, 2:33:04]: We so that I would never accuse you of traffic. That was the conversation. The the mistake is I didn't bring it before council and say, hey, we can take the money, take the funds out of there and get approval, formal approval to do it. [2:33:05, 2:33:25]: All right. L let me say this. I just want to add some clarification to this. Two years ago the council did vote on this. We voted to approve these two projects ourselves. So I don't know, Ms. Dare, we did we did vote to approve these two projects uh on this dais. We voted to but it was two years ago. [2:33:25, 2:33:36]: So certainly we those stipulations were put into it that we would approve it contingent upon. It could be paid for out of the hotel motel tax. It was voted on and approved by the council. [2:33:36, 2:33:38]: Yeah, but Mr. Alexander. [2:33:39, 2:33:46]: We voted approve on many odds uh uh items that the funding sources identify. [2:33:46, 2:34:06]: But if it's over$50,000, that comes to the council for approval for the exact amount. We didn't approve$70, uh$158.96 because we didn't have$70,190, uh$58.96 before us. Every item that we bring before us has been approved and the [2:34:06, 2:34:15]: If under source had been approved, it just has to come to us to move forward. So that's how it works. So, how about we go and get a motion so we can move on? Is there a motion on the floor? [2:34:16, 2:34:17]: A motion, please. [2:34:18, 2:34:38]: The motion to do what? Well, I mean d we took it off the consent agenda. We had this plenty of discussion. So are we gonna approve are we gonna go forward and give a yay to this aspect of now? But here's the thing. The city now we're at a place where we've got to approve it. Okay. Or we'll find ourselves in litigation with Yellowstone for doing some work. I need a motion for a sort of thing. I need a motion. I'm asking for a motion. [2:34:38, 2:34:39]: So move. [2:34:40, 2:34:43]: To approve. So approved. So Okay. Is there a second emotion? [2:34:44, 2:34:47]: Okay, Mr. Bluson. On favor, please indicate. [2:34:48, 2:34:50]: Thank you, Mr. Mayor Cows. [2:34:50, 2:34:57]: Are you are you opposed uh approving or opposing? I approve it, but I do have a comment. Okay, it's is it's unanimously passed. Miss Barber has a comment. [2:34:59, 2:35:00]: Mr. Gardner. [2:35:01, 2:35:02]: Can you please come to the podium? [2:35:05, 2:35:08]: [9315.1, 9316.8]: Please, sir, help us. [2:35:17, 2:35:20]: With these kinds of expenses. [2:35:21, 2:35:23]: We need to hear from you. [2:35:23, 2:35:26]: Especially in these kind of situations. [2:35:30, 2:35:33]: I don't understand how a project has been completed. [2:35:33, 2:35:36]: That's beyond your spending authority. [2:35:37, 2:35:38]: It's already been completed. [2:35:38, 2:35:39]: In fact [2:35:39, 2:35:42]: The council had this discussion before you were hired. [2:35:43, 2:35:46]: I know this is not your responsibility. I mean it's not all on you. [2:35:47, 2:35:48]: I know that. [2:35:50, 2:35:51]: Please stop the bleeding. [2:35:52, 2:35:54]: This has got to stop. [2:35:54, 2:35:54]: Yes. [2:35:55, 2:35:57]: We cannot keep functioning. [2:35:57, 2:35:58]: This way. [2:35:59, 2:36:00]: That's all. [2:36:00, 2:36:01]: Thank you, sir. [2:36:01, 2:36:08]: All right, so council we had two of the item on the consent agenda, items number ten and eleven. Unless there's any type of [2:36:08, 2:36:27]: additional dis uh discussion, I would look for a motion to approve those two items. So move. Mr. Blount so moved. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Second. All favor please indicate. Those items passed unanimously. Okay. Fantastic. Public hearing item twelve, thirteen, fourteen will now be deferred till the uh thirteenth of November. [2:36:27, 2:36:30]: And uh so we have new business. [2:36:30, 2:36:44]: Council is uh consideration to approve the renewal of the city of Stockbridge on call sidewalk replacement and repairs contract with DAF contract incorporated in the amount of three hundred thousand dollars. FY twenty twenty-four budget. Mr. Aaron, please. [2:36:45, 2:37:05]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. Uh Public Works is coming before you tonight to ask for approval for a renewal of our contract for on-call sidewalk repair and maintenance with DAF contract. We budgeted$300,000 in the FY 2024 budget. This will also include work. [2:37:05, 2:37:17]: and recently annexed areas along with the current city limits of stock bridge. So we're asking for approval to renew the contract with DAL for sidewalk repair and maintenance. So move. [2:37:18, 2:37:25]: Sir second. Mr. Bunso moved that. Is there a second? Second. All right. Um Ms. Gantt. All in favor, please indicate. [2:37:25, 2:37:45]: It's unanimous decision. Thank you very much, Council. All right. Council consideration to approve the change order number one from diversified construction of Georgia for the WWTP pole barn project in the amount of$181,041 and three cents for the removal and replacement of unsuitable soil. [2:37:45, 2:37:55]: Soils PLOS five. Mr. Aaron, please. Yes, Mr. Mayor. Council. I have uh Mr. Brad Holzinger, our sewer superintendent who's managing this project for us, and he can speak to it. [2:37:57, 2:38:15]: Welcome Brad. Th thank you. Uh thank you, Mayor and Council. Uh this is too unsuitable soil, uh unforeseen to start with. Uh can't build build on it and we've really gone too far to turn around and say no. [2:38:18, 2:38:20]: Any questions for Brad at all, Council? [2:38:21, 2:38:21]: Yeah. [2:38:22, 2:38:35]: If not in your motion is to accept this proposal? So move. Mr. Blount, so moved. Is there a second? I second. Ms. Gantt second. All favor, please indicate. Fantastic, now the decision. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. [2:38:36, 2:38:50]: Council consideration to fill vacancies and appoint a member of the youth council advisory committee uh through um the s end of this year. Oh, excuse me, uh the end of twelve thirty one twenty-four, twenty twenty four. Miss Collie, please. [2:38:51, 2:38:59]: Uh good evening, Mayor and Council. Um we do have one vacancy on the youth council advisory committee and we do have one application. [2:39:00, 2:39:00]: Submit it. [2:39:01, 2:39:01]: Okay. [2:39:02, 2:39:03]: Miss Shawana Davis. [2:39:06, 2:39:10]: Mayor. Yes, sir. A motion to approve, Mr. Honor Davis. All right. Is there a second? [2:39:11, 2:39:15]: Second. Uh Mr Okay, Mr Thomas Segond, all in favor please indicate? [2:39:16, 2:39:30]: Damage decision, fantastic. Okay. And then the next one deals with uh Ms. Barber, you had you wanted to add an agenda in reference to two items uh for the uh that you want to use the Mural Manage Conference Center. I believe it is. [2:39:30, 2:39:32]: Yes, um [2:39:33, 2:39:43]: The month of October is breast cancer awareness month. I've partnered with several um medical professionals. Um and we're gonna host a breast [2:39:43, 2:39:45]: Friends event. [2:39:45, 2:39:49]: Um it will be a panel of medical professionals. [2:39:50, 2:39:50]: Um [2:39:51, 2:39:52]: On October second [2:39:53, 2:39:57]: We'll be using well, we're requesting to use a downstairs. [2:39:57, 2:39:59]: of the Merrill Manders Conference Center. [2:39:59, 2:40:01]: For the panel. [2:40:01, 2:40:03]: uh discussion on breast health. [2:40:04, 2:40:04]: Then [2:40:05, 2:40:07]: We're also gonna be [2:40:08, 2:40:13]: Using the Merlmanders downstairs, I'm partnering with women's imagery. [2:40:14, 2:40:19]: They're gonna be doing uh mammograms screenings on October ninth. [2:40:19, 2:40:23]: So I'm asking for use of the Merrill Manders Conference Center. [2:40:24, 2:40:25]: For both October second. [2:40:26, 2:40:28]: And both October ninth. [2:40:29, 2:40:30]: Both of them are on Mondays. [2:40:31, 2:40:36]: Okay. Uh uh second was Mr. Blount, so you second that. All in favor, please indicate. [2:40:37, 2:40:40]: Okay. [2:40:41, 2:40:45]: Alrighty. So what we have next are announcements. [2:40:48, 2:40:49]: Yeah. [2:40:49, 2:40:52]: Okay, one second please. [2:40:55, 2:40:57]: Citywide Development Authority meeting is too hold a second. [2:40:59, 2:41:19]: The citywide uh development authority meeting is second Tuesday of each month, six p.m. Uh City Hall Levi Meeting Room September twelfth. The downtown development authority meeting is third Tuesday of each month. And the Welcome Center at 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail Trail there, September 19th. U Council Advisory Committee meeting at 630 p.m. [2:41:19, 2:41:39]: P.M. third Tuesday of each month and Levi Meeting Room City Hall September 19th as well. City Council Work Session meeting last Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Council, September 26th. Planning Commission meeting 6:30, City Hall Council Chambers, fourth Thursday of each month, September 28th. Starbury Citizens Police Academy Council meeting first [2:41:39, 2:41:59]: First Thursday of each month, police precinct, 4545 North Henry Boulevard, communion room at 6 p.m. on October 5th. City Council meeting, second Monday of each month, 6 p.m. City Council Hall Chambers, October 9th. And then of course the youth council meeting, 6:30 p.m., second Monday of each month, City Hall Lead. [2:41:59, 2:42:01]: by meeting room October ninth as well. [2:42:03, 2:42:17]: Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. The Citywide Development Authority has canceled their meeting for September twelfth. Oh, is that right? Yes. And the Youth Council Advisory is going to have a special power meeting on September 14th. [2:42:17, 2:42:37]: Okay, fantastic. Though you just made those announcements there. All right. Uh I didn't realize that. Uh let's see here. Uh K for Main Street Advisory Board meeting the second Friday of each month. The Welcome Center at 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, uh 9 a.m. October 13th. [2:42:39, 2:42:59]: Upcoming city event. Uh join uh Mayor Mayor Pro Tem Barber for the next District 4 community forum on Thursday, September 14th at six from six p.m. to eight p.m. More Manos Conference Center located one eleven Davis Road. The Economic Development Strategy Strategic Plan Community Consensus Workshop will take place on Thursday. [2:42:58, 2:43:06]: September 14th from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. That's by way of Zoom. So we visit the website of the Stockbridge to log on for information. [2:43:07, 2:43:14]: Join Councilman Blount for Bingo Bash Wednesday, September twentieth from t uh ten AM to t uh noon. Ten AM to noon. [2:43:14, 2:43:17]: Merman is conference center located at 111 Davis Road. [2:43:18, 2:43:38]: Join Councilman Alfonso Thomas for the fifth annual first responders appreciation drive through luncheon. Recognizing dedication and sacrifice of Henry County's first responders, the event will take place on Thursday, September 21st, 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. in Mermanus Conference Center on 111 Davis Road. Join Mayor Ford for a monthly meet the mayor on Monday, September. [2:43:38, 2:43:57]: twenty fifth from ten a.m. to noon. Please contact Rawls and Rawls who schedule an appointment at 678-833-3348 or by way of email at R. Rawls at City of Stockbridge-GA dot Gov. Join the City of Stockbridge for the annual Bridge Fest Festival, taking place Saturday, September 30th at Stockbridge Amphitheater. [2:43:57, 2:44:10]: This is a free event with carniv carnival rides, food trucks, vendors, and con and a concert, of course. The gates open at three PM. Contract the events team is seven seven zero three eight nine five nine eight two for more information. [2:44:11, 2:44:18]: Join Councilwoman Gantt in partnership with the Southern Crescent Pearls Foundation of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorti Incorporated. Phi Salpha Phi. [2:44:19, 2:44:32]: Uh Sigma Phi Sigma Alpha Phi Sigma Psi Alpha Alpha Psi Alpha Omega. Geez, oh please forward. Phi Alpha Omega. Yes, and the chapter uh Business Matters, Entrepreneur and Black Business Ep Expo. [2:44:33, 2:44:48]: Saturday, October first, from eleven AM to five P. M. at Merle Manders Conference Center. And contact uh uh P A P A O Black Three Six Five at uh PSI Alpha Omega dot org for additional information. [2:44:49, 2:45:09]: Join Councilman Thomas for a Don't Trash Stockbridge initiative centered around education highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping. And then once again, Councilman Thomas for honoring the veterans a continued salute to all year long. Please send your pictures of veterans uh to the names and veterans of their names, branch, rank, and years of service to our ROS. [2:45:09, 2:45:29]: City of Stockbridge-G-A dot G O V. And join myself along with an activity I'm on Spartan on Saturday, September 28th, at Merle Manders Conference Center, 9 a.m. 12 noon. Empower as called Further Fathering, Empowering Men, Strengthening Families, and Transforming Communities. And that is an activity on Spartan. [2:45:29, 2:45:38]: sponsoring as well on that day, September twenty third, once again nine to noon for men. Actually is open to anybody. Okay, so on that note, uh [2:45:39, 2:45:59]: Please keep your uh get your tickets for upcoming uh 2023 Stockbridge Concert Series by visiting StockbridgeAMP.com or in person at the ticket office located at 4650 North Indian Boulevard. The ticket office is located, excuse me, is open from Thursday to Saturday, uh 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. And this upcoming weekend, we have [2:45:59, 2:46:19]: have uh baby face in stokely and uh the following weekend after that would be uh Stephanie Mills, Jeffrey Osborne and Micah Collier, and of course Priest Fest on the 30th of September, and then on the first of October, we have the Southern Soul Sh Soul show, which is already sold out, matter of fact. [2:46:19, 2:46:19]: Yeah. [2:46:19, 2:46:39]: It is definitely sold out. Um on my initial comments, uh obviously there's still a uh COVID is still out there. So uh I believe uh within the next several weeks, hopefully uh vaccination, additional vaccinations and boosters will be available for this new strain of COVID-19. So please adhere and get that so you can be safe and be healthy. [2:46:39, 2:46:59]: This aspect. Congratulations are uh in honor, I guess you may say, for a young lady, a 19-year-old that's uh born been raised here in Atlanta, Coco Golf, who win in the US Open and the youngest person to do this since uh Serena Williams, I think, did it in 1999, somewhere along those lines. So congratulations to uh George [2:46:59, 2:47:16]: Georgia resident in a sense, uh Atlanta native, Cocoa Golf. Um I believe that's all my uh Pacific comments. I do have a request for an exact session for personnel matters uh counsel if you if you if you honor to to have this discussion. Okay. [2:47:17, 2:47:18]: Mayor? Yes, ma'am. [2:47:19, 2:47:23]: I move that we go into the second session for personnel matters. Okay. Is there a second to that motion? [2:47:25, 2:47:27]: Is there a second to that motion? Yep. [2:47:27, 2:47:30]: Mr uh Alexander Segan, all in favor, please indicate. [2:47:31, 2:47:36]: Okay, I'll pose. Okay, that's f uh m Mr. Uh Thomas, you oppose, sir? [2:47:37, 2:47:44]: Okay, so otherwise four four zero one. I mean four one zero. All right, we'll we'll be back, ladies and gentlemen. [2:48:07, 2:48:22]: All right. There was no um former second session. There's nothing to report to the public this time uh at this moment, so I need a motion to end our council meeting. So moved. Ms. Kant, and Mr Mr. Thomas secondhand all in favor please indicate. All right, unanimous decision. Good night everybody. God bless you all.