2024-12-17 · City Council · Transcript · Work Session Meeting

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2024-12-17 source: 2024-12-17_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:03]: Cynthia Jenkins, if you'd come forward and give an invocation, please stand if you can. [0:00:10, 0:00:14]: Is a m is a mic on? Is a green light on? Green light. [0:00:14, 0:00:16]: There we go. Thank you. [0:00:17, 0:00:37]: Let us pray. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you so much for bringing us together today to discuss the business of the city, the great city of Stockbridge. Bless each person that is here. Bless each person that is in charge to make sure that this city goes forward in the way that you would have. Bless the staff, bless the citizens, and bless this community. In Jesus' name we pray. [0:00:37, 0:00:51]: Amen. Amen. Do the pledge allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which we stand. One nation, underground, individual, with liberty and justice. [0:00:52, 0:00:55]: Roll call, Madam Klerk. [0:01:03, 0:01:03]: Evening. [0:01:05, 0:01:05]: Present. [0:01:10, 0:01:14]: Present. Council Member Barber. Present. Council Member Gantt. [0:01:15, 0:01:35]: That the record reflect Council Member Gantt is not in attendance. Councilmember Thomas. Mayor Ford, you have a court. And this is um some property that's on the uh Black Hall area along the uh sub. [0:01:35, 0:01:48]: subdiv near the subdivision of um mannerly and deals with septic tank issues, but uh they want to withdraw, so we're not gonna have them this evening at all. On that note, then I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:01:49, 0:02:09]: Okay, so move. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, sir. I'm glad I didn't see you. That's okay, sir. Um good evening, Mayor. Council. Um I think the issue was y'all wanted to let wanted us to find out if they were if there was sewer availability for them to connect to. And according to staff, there is no sewer there. So they would have to meet the health department guidelines as it relates to sewer septic. [0:02:09, 0:02:23]: Which is typically I think about an acre and a half or acre and a quarter lot in order for septic. And it also has the source of the be correct in order for it to get the authority to build on the lot from the health department. [0:02:23, 0:02:41]: Okay. So so that's the reason for withdrawing. Okay. Okay. Thank you, sir. I I guess and are there any questions for the council on that? I suppose that uh Uh yeah. Uh well we'll talk about it all. Okay, all right, got it. All right, so uh thank you, Mr. Gardner, for that. Uh once again, uh uh council any uh uh motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:02:42, 0:02:47]: So move. Is there a second? Second. Okay, from Mr. Alexander and Mr. Berry. All in favor, please indicate. [0:02:49, 0:03:09]: All right. Okay, unanimous decision on that note. Re uh council, review your minutes. Review the minutes of December 9th, 2024 council meeting. Uh if there are no changes to that, then I need a motion to accept those minutes into the record as well. So move. I'm s I'm sorry, excuse me. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. [0:03:08, 0:03:28]: not happen until our main meeting. Excuse me. My my bag. I okay. I just if you need any changes to this uh uh minutes or whatnot, please let the uh the clerk know and they'll we'll review the actually approve these minutes at our next uh uh formal council meeting which won't be actually until twenty twenty five in that aspect. Okay. Excuse me for that. Uh public comments. Madam Clerk do we have any public comments? [0:03:28, 0:03:48]: No public comments. Okay. Uh before you council, I have a consent agenda. And this is Council of Consideration to reappoint the Stockbridge representative to the Henry County Transportation Advisory Group Member in L Gonzalez to a two-year term. Council of Consideration approved the resolution for the renewal of the Georgia City solution. [0:03:48, 0:04:08]: City of Civility Designation. Council of Consideration approved the GMA Germat ST STSD first responder program in amount of$10,000. Council of Consideration approved the annual work compensation renewal with key risk an amount of$119,000 for$199,000. [0:04:08, 0:04:28]: $19,419. And council consideration to approve the renewal of the city's wellness program and engagement health group in amount of$55,450. And then you also also a consent agenda for the 2025 municipal court hearing dates. So those on the consent agenda I have a motion to [0:04:28, 0:04:30]: [274.1, 275.0]: Was there a second? [0:04:37, 0:04:44]: Yes. Okay, Miss I've come from Mr. Alexander to Mr. Berry. All in favor, please indicate. Case unanimous decision. Thank you very much, Council. [0:04:50, 0:05:05]: Old business council consideration to approve the vehicle vehicle lease program with enterprise fleet management for public works and the police department vehicles. Uh I have here Mr Aaron and and Mr and Chief Tremor is the to present this item. [0:05:07, 0:05:08]: Thank you, gentlemen. Please come forward. [0:05:15, 0:05:17]: Uh good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council. [0:05:17, 0:05:28]: We have here with us tonight Mr. Tajay Bodrick with Enterprise uh and he will be here presenting the lease options for the city of Stockbridges vehicle. [0:05:29, 0:05:29]: Well, thank you. [0:05:38, 0:05:58]: Good evening. Good evening to you. Uh to tonight I'm accompanied by uh Kat Farber. She will be here with me presenting tonight. Um my plan tonight is to really just go to further dive into the analysis that we presented the last time we were here. But I really want to uh dive more into that analysis and further explain why other municipalities are partnering with Enterprise Fleet Management and then I'll [0:05:58, 0:06:04]: I'll open it up for some questions at the end should you guys have any. Does that sound fair? Sure, no problem. Yes, it does. It's good. Awesome. [0:06:05, 0:06:07]: Um are you guys putting anything up? [0:06:10, 0:06:11]: Oh no. [0:06:15, 0:06:17]: Pinquin the target. [0:06:18, 0:06:20]: On the same return to the five. [0:06:23, 0:06:30]: Uh that's fine. Thank you. I can start there. Perfect. Thank you. Awesome. [0:06:33, 0:06:53]: So, first let's start off with just explaining who Enterprise is. Um, October of 2023, Enterprise changed their name to Enterprise Mobility. Really, the mission here was to just reinforce our commitment to being a total transportation solution provider and all of your transportation needs. So, outside of fleet management, we have 11 other business lines to help you with any of your transportation needs. [0:06:53, 0:06:54]: Yeah. [0:06:54, 0:07:14]: Um currently today we're partnered with over 40 municipalities right here in Metro Atlanta. Here are just a few that I'm pretty sure you guys know. But all of these municipalities partner with Enterprise by piggybacking off of the source well contract that's been awarded to Enterprise for fleet management. Essentially what this does is it's kind of uh it's vetted out the program itself. [0:07:14, 0:07:20]: is negotiated pricing for you all to make that process of the your due diligence process a lot smoother for you all, okay? [0:07:22, 0:07:42]: So, why do municipalities really partner with enterprise? When we look at a municipality, we're able to help them in pretty much three categories, and that's going to be financially, operationally, and then administratively. Financially, we're able to help you expand your budget or purchase more vehicles using less dollars. Operationally, we will analyze your flu. [0:07:42, 0:08:02]: And by identifying vehicles to replace that are aging in your fleet, by replacing these vehicles, what this allows you to do is one, reduce downtime, but it also allows you to minimize and avoid the random repairs that happen on aged vehicles. Another part of that operational piece is the maintenance oversight that our expert team provides to your local. [0:08:02, 0:08:22]: your local team itself here and giving them recommendations on which repairs are needed for vehicles and if that repair should be done or not. On the admin side, we look at everything on a cent per mile basis. So what this does for you all is it allows you all to make calculated decisions on how and when to replace the vehicles, making sure that we're making the best use of the city's dollars. [0:08:26, 0:08:40]: All right, so the unique thing about enterprises, when we look at fleet, we look at it in a holistic view. So our goal typ typically your when you look at your expenses, they're broken down into two different categories. You have your capital budget and you have an operational budget. [0:08:40, 0:09:00]: The way we really control these categories is one with capital side, that's gonna be our depreciation of a vehicle. So the way we actually control that is identifying the right time to sell that vehicle. And the way you calculate that is what you buy the vehicle for, less what you sell that vehicle for. And that's gonna be on your capital side. Now, operationally, the way we control our operational expenses is [0:09:00, 0:09:20]: By one with fuel efficiency. So by operating more fuel efficient vehicles, and then when it comes to the maintenance side, by replacing those older vehicles, that again is going to eliminate that downtime, but also avoid you from paying those high-dollar maintenance expenses as vehicles get older in age. And when you combine all of those together, what you get is a total of [0:09:20, 0:09:21]: fleet impact. [0:09:23, 0:09:33]: So the philosophy behind enterprise really is to identify what is that optimal time. So when we're looking at a vehicle's effective life cycle, we have three determining factors here. [0:09:34, 0:09:54]: That's gonna be your depreciation, your fuel, and then maintenance. So obviously, as we all know, when you first buy a vehicle, it depreciates immediately, right? But as time goes on, when you look at things, you say, okay, well, if I just buy a vehicle, it just depreciates, but then I'm done. But that's not really necessarily true. We also have to worry about the other two factors, and that's gonna be your fuel and your [0:09:53, 0:10:13]: Maintenance piece. So what we do is we identify when is the right time to replace that vehicle. And that time is typically when those lines start to intersect each other. So that's replacing that vehicle before the value of the vehicle, the resale value of the vehicle is non-existent, but also replacing the vehicle before your maintenance costs outweigh the actual cost of the vehicle itself. [0:10:13, 0:10:17]: And that's when we find that optimal time. So that can be [0:10:17, 0:10:25]: Completely different for several different types of vehicles, but what we do is we identify that time depending on the vehicle's type and its usage. [0:10:27, 0:10:38]: So, um, what I've been tasked with here is to separate your public works department and your police department. So for this segment here, I'm s I'm solely focusing on the public works department itself. [0:10:38, 0:10:42]: So when I look at your public works department, you guys have forty-nine vehicles. [0:10:42, 0:11:02]: Twenty-eight out of those 49 vehicles are 10 years or older, which is causing you guys today to spend about$137 a month on your maintenance. Now by replacing these older vehicles with newer vehicles, we're able to reduce that$137 per month per vehicle down to$46.96. And that's solely by replacing old vehicles with new vehicles. [0:11:03, 0:11:17]: Today you guys are pretty much acquiring three vehicles a year or on a 16-year replacement plan. But with the plan that we've put together, that will move you guys over to a five-year replacement plan, saving you$102,000 over the course of 10 years. And that's just for the public works department. [0:11:20, 0:11:40]: So outside of just replacing older vehicles and controlling a fleet impact, one really important factor is safety. And that's something that we kind of go to the wayside at times. So when you look at your fleet, um every every five years, manufacturer the feds may require manufacturers to update. [0:11:40, 0:12:00]: There are standard regulations or standard options that they have in vehicles. So as you see here, 2007, 2012, 2018, and 2023, options become standard and you can see which percentage of your fleet does not have these options. Now the reason this is important to you is because you want to make sure that your your employees that are driving for the city of Stockbridge are driving safe vehicles, right? [0:11:59, 0:12:13]: All right, so as of today, we have 80% of your vehicles are older than 2018. So that means 80% of your vehicles do not have forward collision warning, blind spot monitoring, offset crash testing and rear um and rear cameras. [0:12:16, 0:12:18]: So what this looks like for the public works department. So [0:12:19, 0:12:39]: My goal behind showing the slide here is two things. Um, when you think of enterprise fleet management, what we're coming to you as is being a consultant, something similar to your your fleet or your financial advisor. We're here to make recommendations on how to lower your total cost of ownership or lower that fleet impact. And what that looks like here for you guys today is we [0:12:39, 0:12:48]: We're put you on a model to where you're placing vehicles every year and what we're doing is we're identifying models that are over a certain age point and a certain mileage point. [0:12:50, 0:12:53]: As we continue to go down, the next thing is going to be your police department. [0:12:54, 0:13:14]: Now, the thing with the police department, Commissioner Barber, I believe you said this the last time, one of the big concerns was that um in 2022 the police department made a very, very large purchase that we would like to try to avoid. And what I've done today is I've created a plan that will allow the police department to continue replacing vehicles that will stop us from spending over a million dollars replacing. [0:13:14, 0:13:30]: replacing those vehicles all at one time. I believe that number that you guys used to replace um those fifty vehicles is closer to about three point four million dollars that you spent back in twenty twenty two. So what I'm looking to do is to find an effective way to continue replacing these vehicles so that way we're not spending all of that money all at one time for you. [0:13:31, 0:13:34]: Now I'm sure right now you're asking, well, how do we do that? [0:13:34, 0:13:54]: Well, we have three different options when it comes to funding a vehicle itself. You can pay cash for the vehicle, you can finance the vehicle, or you can do what the other 42 Metas Hallies are doing. That's using the enterprise open-ended leasing model. What that looks like is we're taking a same scenario for all three different options. We have a$50,000 budget over the course of five years. [0:13:54, 0:14:14]: If we're to pay cash with a$50,000 budget, we're able to purchase two vehicles,$25,$25,000 apiece. If we're financing the vehicles, we're able to purchase two vehicles a year.$10,000 a year over five years will give us$50,000. However, we have another option that all the other municipalities are using, and this is allowing them to purchase more vehicles. [0:14:14, 0:14:26]: using the same amount of dollars. And as you can see in this example here, what you're able to do is purchase more vehicles by because now what you're doing is just you're spending three thousand dollars per year versus spending five thousand or twenty five thousand at one time. [0:14:30, 0:14:36]: So what this looks like on a total out on the outlays side here, the vehicle cost is exactly the same. [0:14:36, 0:14:54]: We sell the vehicle for exactly the same,$15,000. But what you will see is that you're able to purchase 16 vehicles versus two vehicles or versus 10 vehicles because the amount that you're paying on your um the your yearly payments are less over the other two options. [0:14:57, 0:14:58]: So [0:14:58, 0:15:11]: Kind of going back to the public workside here. We originally put together a model that would show the public workside we're placing 25 vehicles the very first year. Again, the reason the way we came up with this is because we've identified vehicles that are [0:15:11, 0:15:31]: at a certain age point, a certain mileage point. And by replacing these vehicles, we understand that this is going to immediately impact the city of Stockbridge. By replacing these older vehicles, what we will do in the very first year is reduce that maintenance cost because now we're not doing what we're not doing is paying for maintenance on older vehicles. We're simply paying maintenance on new vehicles that are active in the fleet. So [0:15:31, 0:15:31]: [933.2, 933.9]: Now [0:15:34, 0:15:54]: Like I said before, the reason I wanted to show this slide is because we are a similar to what you consider as a financial advisor. We're here to give you recommendations on how to spend money. Now, we originally presented the plan of replacing the 25 vehicles in the very first year, but we were then to ask, hey, can we streamline this plan? Can we start slow? And the answer is yes. [0:15:54, 0:16:01]: Tell me to decide to do whatever you like to do. What we will do is continue doing this analysis, and then what we'll show is that. [0:16:01, 0:16:21]: Before we were to put you on a plan that showed you 102,000 savings over the course of 10 years. This plan here, you see that the savings is 29,000. But what you'll see is the differences because we're not replacing those 25 vehicles the first year. The reason you see less savings is because now we're only replacing 10 vehicles, and your uh reduction in maintenance spend is very less. [0:16:21, 0:16:35]: less than what it was on the slide that we did before. Now again, like I said, you guys have the autonomy to replace exactly whatever vehicles you like. I'm here to make sure that I'm providing you the lowest total cost of to operate the vehicles itself. [0:16:38, 0:16:58]: Now when it comes to the police department, it's a little bit different. So the police departments, roughly, if they were to go out to purchase a vehicle today, they're looking at about$74,000 to purchase one vehicle. And that includes aftermarket equipment, purchasing the vehicle, upfitting the vehicle with your lights, your siren, all of your decals. You're looking at about a total of$74,000. [0:16:57, 0:17:00]: Um this year here. [0:17:01, 0:17:21]: The vehicles are 2022, so your vehicles right now are two years old. So in 2024, you don't have anything to replace. But by the end of 2025, the City of Stockbridge is gonna have to make a decision to start replacing some vehicles. And we're gonna have to decide if we're gonna spend again to replace these 16 vehicles that are gonna be above that mileage point. Are we going to go out and spend [0:17:21, 0:17:38]: $1.1 million to replace 16 vehicles every year for the next five years after 2025, or are we going to be able to use a sustainable plan that will allow us to place these 16 16 vehicles for$87,000, for$326,000? [0:17:39, 0:17:59]: The one thing that's left out of this analysis here that you're not seeing on this slide is the actual resale. And that's where enterprise really makes a strong impact. Today, what you're doing is you're holding onto your vehicles until pretty much the wheels fall off. Or what we're doing is we're selling our vehicles on govdeals.com or maybe even at an auction. The way we really separate ourselves is because we have our [0:17:59, 0:18:19]: Own separate remarketing team. And what their goal is, is to sell vehicles above black book average. So last year, enterprise just here in Atlanta, we sold over 80,000 vehicles, and we sold all of those vehicles 11% above black book average. So what that means to you, that's an additional anywhere from a dollar amount, that's an additional 16 to 25%. [0:18:19, 0:18:39]: four hundred dollars back to your pockets for you guys just in resale. And that's what separates us from you guys separ selling vehicles. Let's face it, at the end of the day if I tried to go out and sell a vehicle just by myself, I would have a very hard time. But this is a a billion dollar company that goes out and sells vehicles every day and that's what we pride ourselves in. We're experts in selling vehicles. [0:18:41, 0:18:58]: Another big piece of our program is gonna be the maintenance piece. For the public works vehicles, we're gonna put these vehicles on a full maintenance program. What that means is that you guys are able to plan the cost for your maintenance out. The maintenance number doesn't change, and you guys are able to take your vehicles to your local shops. [0:18:58, 0:19:03]: Best thing about that is we're putting money back to the city. We're um [0:19:03, 0:19:07]: Putting money back to the city so that's increasing your tax dollars there. [0:19:07, 0:19:27]: Uh the next program is just gonna be for your maintenance your maintenance management program, really for your police vehicles themselves. What this is gonna allow you to do is have that expert oversight of the maintenance programs, making sure that we're getting the right things done to the vehicles at the right time. I mean I'll I'll be honest, if we ever take a vehicle to a shop and they tell us that something's wrong with a vehicle and we have no clue what they're talking about. [0:19:27, 0:19:47]: Well, that's where our team comes in. They know they used to work in these shops, they're ASC certified technicians, that when they get presented with an issue that's wrong with the vehicle, and someone tells them, Hey, this may take six hours to repair, they can come back and say, No, I'm sorry, that doesn't take six hours to repair, that only takes four hours to repair. They're able to negotiate that on your behalf. [0:19:47, 0:19:51]: which in turn is gonna save you money just in labor costs and parts. [0:19:54, 0:20:14]: So what does this mean for City of Stockbridge? Well financially, we're able to help you guys save over three million dollars over the next five years. Operationally, we'll provide more expert uh vehicle expertise to help your local your uh your admin team. And then administratively, we'll be able to give you guys uh data to make calculated decisions on how to operate your fleet. [0:20:14, 0:20:16]: and went to make some replacements. [0:20:17, 0:20:25]: Um I went through that fast, but did ar um just want to kind of get to the end and ask if there's any questions. I did want to open this up and give you guys a chance to ask some questions for me. [0:20:28, 0:20:30]: Any council, any questions at this moment? [0:20:31, 0:20:31]: Yeah. [0:20:32, 0:20:40]: I got a couple. You got you got a few? Go right here, sir. Yeah, so well, Mr. Aaron and Chief, will y'all come back up here too? [0:20:48, 0:21:08]: Certainly in the ideal world we would be replacing vehicles, you know, very on a rapidly basis, but how do we factor in that these vehicles were brand new when we bought them for basically two years ago, and that now basically we're going in from a situation where we own these vehicles. [0:21:08, 0:21:28]: vehicles to uh leasing them. But certainly um we want to get the best use out of the fact that we paid for them in full with with these uh federal funds that we receive. So it will we gradually work our way into this program or tell me exactly how does that work certainly [0:21:28, 0:21:35]: We're not gonna be just dumping two year old vehicles into the system on how that worked. [0:21:35, 0:21:42]: No, at the end of the day, we're always gonna sell the vehicles for you, which in turn will help you replace those vehicles. Well I'm sorry, but that that question was for the chief. Okay. [0:21:44, 0:21:57]: Yeah, so um what they've done is taken an evaluation of the vehicles and they've looked at mileage with us having take home vehicles, obviously people live closer. Uh those people are gonna have less miles so those vehicles will not be in the initial replacement cycle. [0:21:58, 0:22:18]: If you noted in 2025 it's looking at, I believe, eight vehicles to be replaced in the twenty twenty-five cycle. That's based upon projected mileage. So we would start with eight vehicles in twenty twenty five, I think sixteen in twenty twenty six, and over the course of the five years that fleet would be recycled based upon um how those vehicles are trending in uh mileage. Uh as was [0:22:18, 0:22:38]: Mentioned the benefit here is obviously there's a cost savings from the standpoint of not having to pay those funds up front to uh purchase and upfit those vehicles. Um, but also I think there's a benefit as was indicated on the resale side. Uh right now we would [0:22:38, 0:22:50]: have to put those vehicles on uh open gub, we would have to negotiate to sell those vehicles when you have enterprise at uh large market that's able to get the best value out of those vehicles and return those funds uh to the city. [0:22:50, 0:23:09]: plus the uh the cost on maintenance. And one of the things that wasn't mentioned in your presentation that I think is worthwhile and was probably another one of your questions is we did factor in electric vehicles as part of this replacement program. So the funding that you saw there does take into account uh the acquisition of uh EV vehicles in what was quoted out for us as well. [0:23:10, 0:23:18]: Okay. All right. So what is the mileage threshold that you're using to okay, let's say, well, it's time to go ahead and move in another direction. What's the threshold? [0:23:20, 0:23:40]: The last part. What's the mileage threshold? The city side or your side or versus the city side? When we worked out a number that says this is the mileage threshold? Yeah. So each vehicle we look at differently. So your threshold is gonna be completely different for your public works than what it would be for your police department. Um when I mentioned that optimal time to replace the vehicle. [0:23:40, 0:24:00]: Vehicle. Typically that time is going to be right around that hundred thousand mile mark for really one main reason. That's typically when you'll see that your manufacturer's powertrain warranty will um go away. And that's because your manufacturers don't have faith in the vehicles holding up after 100,000 miles. So if like Chief was saying, you have vehicles that are on separate mileage patterns. Some people take vehicles home, some people don't take vehicles home. [0:23:59, 0:24:19]: Um so when we're gonna identify these vehicles, obviously we're not gonna be able to pinpoint exactly right at 100,000 miles. So we'll out of these 16 vehicles, they're basically following to a parameter um of between 80 and 100,000 miles that we'll start targeting them to be replaced. Now I when we replace a vehicle, we're not just gonna sign a document and the vehicle will be here. The vehicles will [0:24:19, 0:24:39]: With especially your police vehicles, they're gonna take anywhere from seven to ten months to be upfitted. They have to come in to get ordered, and then we have to rely on an upfitter to install the equipment on to them themselves. So that's why we proactively look at these vehicles so that way we can order vehicles ahead of time. So that way by the time they do reach that, say 80 to 100,000 miles, we already have a vehicle. [0:24:39, 0:24:41]: Vehicle on order and ready to be replaced. [0:24:42, 0:25:02]: Okay, so at this point we're anticipating that we'll have eight vehicles at about a hundred thousand miles at that time. Some of that too, as he indicated, you all know I'm sure you owned a lot of vehicles throughout the course of your time that some vehicles require more maintenance than others. And so if we're running into an issue where we're seeing significant maintenance [0:25:01, 0:25:13]: cost. It may not be at the hundred thousand mark. It may be as it relates to uh what we're spending on that vehicle, which is why it's situational. But in general, it's about a hundred thousand miles and four years of service out of those vehicles. [0:25:13, 0:25:18]: Okay. So wha how many E B vehicles do you have on your list, G? [0:25:19, 0:25:39]: Um we we're our goal is ten percent of the fleet to be uh EV. I know that in this upcoming year we're looking at acquiring six electric vehicles. Um I believe that this plan I don't know what did we spec out the four electric and four non electric. Four electric, four non-electric for twenty twenty five. So that'll put us at [0:25:39, 0:25:59]: 10 electric vehicles by 2025 for the police fleet, and then we will work those in moving forward. You know, we have some things that we have to address in terms of infrastructure to make sure that we have those things in place to be able to accommodate that size. And so we have a gradual plan to grow that and expand uh electric vehicles as we [0:25:59, 0:26:03]: Okay, does the enterprise assist with the infrastructure or no? [0:26:06, 0:26:26]: Hi, Cat Farber. So we do assist with the infrastructure from the standpoint of we partner with a third party vendor, Qmerit. They do our um infrastructure studies to see based off of the vehicles that you have what type of electricity you need, things like that. And we will help connect you with all the partners that are pre-vetted through our program to help with that process. [0:26:27, 0:26:46]: Does that include funding or is that just recommendation? Oh well, if you would like to capitalize in the leases, we can do that as well. Typically it's so uh a lot of cities would would be eligible for grants, things like that, which we would just help connect you if you were eligible for the grant with, you know, our uh folks to uh run through. [0:26:46, 0:26:50]: Okay, Mr. Aaron, how many E V vehicles do you have in your fleet coming here? [0:26:51, 0:27:08]: So well first the first thing we want to start off public works has a lot of specialty vehicles. We've spoken with them about like street sweepers, because Stormwater's talking about buying another street sweeper. They're two hundred and seventy plus thousand dollars. We need a bucket truck. Those two hundred [0:27:09, 0:27:29]: plus thousand dollars. So E V is the administrative, we might have three or four depending on people that are are locally like meter readers or something like that. But most of our vehicles E V doesn't work in a lot of applications for us, but we'll have about three or four E V in terms of general [0:27:29, 0:27:30]: Maintenance it doesn't work. [0:27:31, 0:27:51]: No, sir. Because it's just the things that they're doing, stopping and going and things like that, because they're here and there, then the battery doesn't stay charged as long and things of that nature. And some of these vehicles, like when they're fixing a water leak, you can run a a pump off it while the vehicle is running. [0:27:51, 0:28:11]: So you need that if you were running a pump that's connected to a battery, it's gonna drain that battery faster if it's an EV vehicle. You know, certainly uh certain apparatuses are gonna be prohibitive. If someone is a supervisory position, going around stop general maintenance, checking out the different stops. [0:28:11, 0:28:31]: and what have you, you get up to 300 miles uh on the battery life now, I'm I'm I'm told. So how would that be any different than in uh doing using uh and using a regular gasoline powered vehicle besides the maintenance would be lower. My my interest is in this whole system here is lowering the cost. [0:28:31, 0:28:51]: And and and I know there's gonna be some natural resistance to changing to E V vehicles, but if we can get as many as we can to not replace transmissions, to not replace radiators, to not replace all of that j that maintenance, it's always running up our bill till you say a hundred and s hundred thousand dollars. [0:28:51, 0:29:04]: so to speak, then why wouldn't we do that? So any vehicle that we're able to use and to replace, and it's gonna take some natural training for the staff to be to grow accustomed to that. I certainly wouldn't [0:29:04, 0:29:21]: be emphasizing any heavy use vehicles, but certainly we have, like you said, the meter readers, you have uh low maintenance general activities that should be able to qualify for that. So in this calendar year coming up, how many uh electric vehicles do you have programmed? [0:29:21, 0:29:37]: See, w what we need this year, they're non-electric vehicles. Like I said, we need a we need another street sweeper. We need a bucket truck that we use on a frequent basis. And sewer, they might have a a vac truck. [0:29:37, 0:29:57]: We're gonna assess the Public Works Department and see which which operations we can phase the E V vehicles into. We don't have an issue with using'em, but we gotta have the resources and infrastructure available because right now the only things you have available are at City Hall for city staff and vehicles got over [0:29:57, 0:30:17]: plus thousand dollars worth of tools and parts on it. You don't want to just out here in the open at City Hall. So as we go about getting infrastructure and things like that, we're gonna meet with enterprise as well to identify vehicles that we can transition to EV. Because one of the things when and we had a conversation with staff about EV vehicles is [0:30:17, 0:30:37]: Who services them if we buy'em? Is it the same as a phone? You know, you used to could change the battery on a cell phone. Now it's just cheaper to buy a new phone. So when the battery in an E B vehicle becomes to the end of life, do we replace the battery or do we end up buying another vehicle? So they're they standing right behind you. They just said they have many. [0:30:37, 0:30:56]: That's a conversation we gotta we give them our operations, what do we use our vehicles for primarily, and then they can right-size it based on the usage of those vehicles saying, yeah, this would be a good fit for an EV application. This might not be. So we have no issues with having EV vehicles. [0:30:56, 0:31:16]: So the ones that we use in the city on a daily basis that can meet that standard, then we'll transition to EV. We don't have an issue with that. Well you uh my question was how many do you have programmed this year? So you're telling me the only vehicles that you're going to be purchasing are heavy use vehicles and that you don't have any general use vehicles that you're required. [0:31:16, 0:31:36]: So because we don't have the infrastructure. If I buy get four if I get four E B vehicles, I have nowhere to charge them. Answer the question. But do you have regular general maintenance vehicles that you're replacing? You have indicated that you only have heavy use vehicles. Do you have regular general use vehicles? [0:31:36, 0:31:56]: That you are replacing this year? Not for a because we don't have the infrastructure to charge those. You didn't answer my question. Are you replacing regular general use vehicles this year? We are replacing, we're proposing to replace a street sweeper. We're proposing to replace some sewer vehicles. [0:31:56, 0:32:00]: And we not at this time we don't have any [0:32:00, 0:32:20]: plans to implement in twenty twenty five any E V vehicles at this moment, but we will meet with them when we sit down and strategize. I say there's no infrastructure if I buy a vehicle, I don't have anywhere to charge it. You can charge it right there behind City. No, but we got vehicles out there that's gonna be charging overnight. Nobody's [0:32:20, 0:32:23]: And the police station right across the street. [0:32:24, 0:32:44]: So I I I I I see listen, I don't want to beat you up, but I hear excuses. And in the end, if the police department is right across the street and somebody goes and steals a hundred thousand dollars worth of equipment, we got a problem. We really do. And certainly I want to look at that from a standpoint of I asked a question three times. [0:32:44, 0:33:04]: Are you replacing any general maintenance vehicles? Are you getting any F-150s? Are you getting any uh you know Maverick trucks? Are you getting any general maintenance trucks that might be qualifying for this particular uh for this? If that is the case, I would like for you to move forward as my recommendation as one of [0:33:04, 0:33:24]: One of the council members to purchase some EV vehicles, just like the chief has recommended. He did not remember recommend replacing all of his vehicles, but he's at least dipping his toe into the water. We have had this same resistance three years in a row, about the same program. We're never gonna get started unless we have some. [0:33:24, 0:33:44]: Vehicles come and get laid out. And again, I heard you say, sir, implicitly, that you have a maintenance program where you work with us on these vehicles that will lower the cost. And then I heard some concern in the past years. Well, what if the battery goes out? Well, I'll tell you what, I guess you probably got [0:33:43, 0:33:46]: Probably got'em up under warranty for that period, right? [0:33:47, 0:34:07]: Yes, and to answer your question, the vehicles that were included in this original analysis were we're solely looking at the water and sewer department. So that would consist of F-250s and F-350s. Um to my knowledge, right now, they don't make electric F-250s or F-350s. Okay. But again, we're here to make recommendations for you. If you guys say, Hey, we got we want you to look at vehicles that are going to be electric vehicles to satisfy the [0:34:07, 0:34:27]: same use, that's can be done as well. Right. Um and that's what I'm trying to parse the words to say. I know they're not any F two fifties or F F three fifties, okay? But when there comes up a time where we have a F one fifty or a Maverick or we have a Sevilla silver route or whatever a regular used vehicle [0:34:27, 0:34:42]: So I want these vehicles to be in the mix between those choices, not just saying we're gonna go with a gasoline powered vehicle if you have one available. So if there is one available and the gas power, what is there, a cost difference between the two? Okay. [0:34:42, 0:34:54]: Yes, sir. And that's one of the the pieces. So to just back up a little bit, when you partner with enterprise, we're meeting three to four times a year with the leadership team of the city and going line by line through the fleet. [0:34:54, 0:35:14]: What does it do? What's its application? What vehicles are eligible? From there, if EV is on the table, then what we're doing is putting an analysis together and measuring it cent per mile. It's two ways to measure a vehicle, engine hours, and miles. So there is a much heavier cost burden for electric vehicles on the front end. And the challenge is that the resale market for it is not [0:35:14, 0:35:32]: as well known. It has taken a hard hit over the last year because it was flooded with a certain model of vehicle summer of last year. So what does that mean for the city? It means it's going to be a very expensive buy and it's not going to be as strong of a sell. So that comes with a cost. We present that to the CENI [0:35:32, 0:35:40]: And again, you choose to move forward with maybe one of them as opposed to looking at it versus a hybrid vehicle, which typically gives you the best balance of. [0:35:40, 0:35:50]: actual total cost impact. But we will look at that, we will give the analysis, we will give the pros, the cons, and we will present that to your city administration team for them to tell us what they'd like to move forward with. [0:35:51, 0:36:01]: I certainly would appreciate that and then being able to put that all on the table because there's even more i important factor than money. Exactly. Yes, sir. [0:36:01, 0:36:21]: It's the carbon footprint. It is what we're leaving for our children and the condition of the planet is a lot is is very important to me uh as well. So certainly I want to look at those aspects. I want to do that. And again, I thank you, Chief, for uh going ahead and moving ahead with that. I wanna see every [0:36:21, 0:36:30]: City department, go ahead and move forward with that. I know you say what that was only things that uh what the other departments weren't submitted to you? [0:36:30, 0:36:32]: Uh Lexa, when we did our original analysis [0:36:32, 0:36:52]: Uh I put together a model to show replacing 25 vehicles. Uh they wanted to take a slow approach into the program because it's new, which is understandable. So he's decided to start with just the water and the sewer department. And that's what I was saying. It consisted of F-250s and F-350s. So that we're not saying that we can't go back and look at electric vehicles. The original analysis I presented was 25, but the second one was [0:36:52, 0:37:12]: Only 10. So there's 15 more vehicles here that still are required, or have an opportunity to be replaced. And as Kat just said, we're going to continue meeting with you year over year and continue to do that same 10-year model that I showed you. So next year, just to give you an example, if we start with 10 vehicles this year, that means next year when we revisit this, instead of it being 10 vehicles [0:37:12, 0:37:27]: Again, our recommendation is still going to be 25 because you still have those old 15 vehicles that can be replaced. The goal here is to continue reducing your costs. And the only way we can reduce costs is by putting you on a sustainable plan that replaces these vehicles as they age. [0:37:27, 0:37:44]: Right, and certainly my last comment is gonna be I won't ask him for my own personal opinion. I wanna look at every department. No one should be off from the clerk's office to the the city hall fleet for the council. Everybody should be looked at. Thank you. [0:37:45, 0:37:47]: Mr Thomas, go ahead please, sir. Did you want to go first? [0:37:49, 0:38:03]: Okay. Uh first of all, let me just thank you for the presentation. And as you can see, uh this is a very important issue when we talk about uh vehicles for the city. [0:38:04, 0:38:11]: I I have a couple of questions and concerns, but mostly for uh Chief Chamber and um Mr. Aaron. [0:38:12, 0:38:13]: And and and [0:38:14, 0:38:15]: And [0:38:15, 0:38:22]: I I know Councilman Alexander was was pretty lengthy um with with that dialogue. [0:38:22, 0:38:25]: But I think it all goes back to [0:38:26, 0:38:28]: The finances. [0:38:29, 0:38:33]: What it in the best interest of the city economically. [0:38:34, 0:38:41]: And what is more efficient for us. So my questions are sort of centered around. [0:38:42, 0:38:46]: You know, we have a you're presenting a lease [0:38:46, 0:38:48]: Program for the city. [0:38:49, 0:39:09]: We have a capital improvement budget where vehicles are included. So from the chief and from Mr. Aaron, I'm trying to wrap my head around are we more involved in the lease program? [0:39:09, 0:39:10]: [2350.5, 2359.2]: or we are including because we are in the budget cycle. So are we including vehicles in the um [0:39:20, 0:39:29]: capital improvement plan. And I don't think we could do both. So I'm just trying to get a better understanding of of where we are. Are we [0:39:29, 0:39:37]: Emphasizing Lisa and and you did a great presentation. You spoke to the advantages and maybe even some of the disadvantages. [0:39:38, 0:39:41]: But for me as an elected official and trying to deal with the budget. [0:39:42, 0:39:44]: I just don't see both. [0:39:44, 0:39:52]: uh including vehicles uh in the capital improvement because uh mr. airman and I know typically [0:39:52, 0:39:58]: um in your public works budget you would include that and and and I understand [0:39:58, 0:40:00]: What you were saying about [0:40:00, 0:40:08]: You need specific type of vehicles for public work. And I understand that and I pretty much agree with that as well. [0:40:08, 0:40:11]: The chief and the police department [0:40:12, 0:40:14]: They use their vehicles differently. [0:40:14, 0:40:16]: And so but I'm trying to still look at [0:40:17, 0:40:18]: The lease program [0:40:19, 0:40:25]: and the capital improvement program. And so and I notice here it says that um [0:40:25, 0:40:28]: The police department has included [0:40:28, 0:40:30]: Replacement vehicles. [0:40:30, 0:40:32]: um in twenty twenty six twenty seven [0:40:33, 0:40:53]: and twenty-eight for a certain amount of of funds. But I didn't see anything in in public work. So if you can sort of just clarify that, so uh are we emphasizing more on on the leasing part of it or in the capital improvement? I don't think we can do both. [0:40:54, 0:41:10]: So in the budget, the police department and public works, we both budgeted for vehicles. Either we gon buy the vehicles outright or use that money that was allocated in the budget for the lease program. It will not be two different programs. We will if [0:41:10, 0:41:23]: council agrees to the lease agreement with enterprise, then the money that we allocated in our budgets will go towards the lease. If council does not approve it, then the money we allocated in the budget, we just buy cars outright. [0:41:24, 0:41:34]: So uh in public works is it based on uh needs or you would just replace every three years? [0:41:34, 0:41:54]: It it is based on needs. We've got vehicles. Some vehicles are 18 years old, 15 plus years old. We got a vehicle right now that we really need. It's fifteen plus years old and it needs a transmission. So you don't put a transmission on a 15-year-old vehicle. That's one of the ones we schedule for replacement. But with the fleet option, [0:41:54, 0:41:58]: And public words vehicles are different than any other city vehicle because [0:41:58, 0:42:18]: their use. They're starting, they're stopping, they're starting, they're stopping. It's not like you just drive and you're going for extended rides. It's short trips here and there, in and out, in and out and things like that. And then the lease program allows you to turn those vehicles over a lot f more frequently than you would what we're currently [0:42:18, 0:42:38]: doing right now. We're just going to the end of life on those vehicles. So in the public works budget, um there is a line for the purchase of vehicles. Yes, that's in each division of public works. Stormwater has a line item for vehicles when they purchase water dug, sewer dug, [0:42:38, 0:42:44]: General maintenance does. Yes. So uh Chief Chairman, um [0:42:49, 0:42:58]: A year or so ago uh with the purchase of uh police cars, you indicated that um the seats [0:43:00, 0:43:02]: You you changed out the six. [0:43:02, 0:43:11]: So in in the purchase of any new hip vehicles, is that still the plan to change out the seats? [0:43:11, 0:43:28]: Well, the seats are not changed out. The back seats have to be removed to put in a prisoner transport seat. And what we were able to do is uh w we actually took those seats to the salvage yard and were able to actually receive funds for the scrap metal for those seats that weren't being used, but they have to be removed from the patrol vehicles. They're not removed from the [0:43:28, 0:43:36]: uh administrative vehicles, those remain within the administrative vehicle. Uh but one of the things if I could, Councilman Thomas, is a point of clarification to what you had asked. [0:43:37, 0:43:46]: In um the SPLOSS that was recently approved, I believe that we have two and a half million dollars allocated to the purchase of new vehicles uh for the city. [0:43:47, 0:44:04]: Um the cost of replacing the entire police fleet over the next five years is four point four million dollars. So there's going to be an expense. The thing of it is, is I'm sure there'll be opportunities to figure out how do we make up the difference, but at least with this program we're not paying those funds up front up front. [0:44:04, 0:44:24]: Furthermore, if you look at uh the presentation, we're saving a hundred and fifty thousand dollars over the the course of five years by going with the lease option if we go that route, as opposed to purchasing those vehicles uh outright based upon how things are projected now. And then with the projection for public works based on what they were looking at, I believe it's a twenty-nine thousand dollar savings. [0:44:25, 0:44:45]: So as it relates to this program, it appears to be a net positive. And Mr. Malizi has experience and I'd hate to put him on the spot here, but he's worked with a number of cities who have actually utilized enterprise and um uh could maybe speak to you more intelligently than I can regarding the financial aspect and perhaps the uh advantage of [0:44:44, 0:44:47]: moving forward with a program such as this. [0:44:47, 0:44:59]: 'Cause see, uh a again, I reiterate and and I appreciate uh the stats that you gave me. Uh from my perspective a as an elected official and have to make a vote on the budget. [0:45:00, 0:45:20]: I do want to understand what is most effective for the city, lease, purchase, or combination thereof. And I do understand the need in public works and the use of the vehicles in public work versus the police department. [0:45:20, 0:45:40]: And I and I think this is what, you know, we're sort of wrestling with, and I don't want to spend a lot of time um, you know, because I know other council members have some concern, but I do appreciate the answers. And and again, uh I got the presentation and I and I got the advantage and I understand the presentation, even when you came before. But I wanted Mr. [0:45:39, 0:45:44]: the air and the and the chief, I was trying to get a better perspective. [0:45:44, 0:46:04]: or where we were as a city as far as leasing or we including uh in our capital improvement. And so the information about the splotch, I think that was very um beneficial to know as well, because it's all about the finance and how efficient we can sort of operate in [0:46:04, 0:46:24]: In the purchasing of vehicles. So I thank you, and I probably have another question. So I'm not gonna hog the time right now, but I do reserve the right to come back and ask some additional questions. Okay, I know no uh my my friend next door here has a few questions, so I don't want to take up all the time. I give it back, Mayor. Mayor Fort Time Well, good evening, everyone. [0:46:24, 0:46:44]: Everyone again and thank you guys again for the presentation. And uh Chief, you just echoed it I and I do wanna kinda hear from Mr. Frank as well. I treasurer to kinda um hear his analysis later on on uh what his experience is with this program since he has the experiences with it in other municipalities. Um I do know in the city though we [0:46:44, 0:47:04]: Have a there's some way we can't ever get around specialized vehicles. And so we'll always, either in public works or even the police department, have specialized vehicles, and they'll have to be modified, they'll have to be outfitted, they'll have to be configured to a point to where um resale. [0:47:04, 0:47:06]: [2826.6, 2846.6]: deconfigured or or misconfigured to go back to the general public. And so has there been any thought into that price of what it takes to one modify it on our end and then what is the cost to remodify it to sell it again on the other end and what does that cost incur to the city? That's my first [0:47:26, 0:47:32]: one. My second one, and I don't I don't know if you want me to give them all to you at one time. Um I would [0:47:33, 0:47:49]: I see the uh the report on what we expect to save. And I guess my my question is, are are we is the goal to go to a hundred percent lease in so many years? And if so, what is that target year to where we want to go to a hundred percent? [0:47:50, 0:47:50]: Leasing. [0:47:51, 0:48:10]: And how do we exponentially mark or see the savings? And if we find out, say three years, five years, two years down the line, that we're not actually seeing the savings that we expected to see, are we locked in? Or is there a is there an escape? [0:48:11, 0:48:12]: Clause. [0:48:12, 0:48:17]: in this process if we're actually spending more than w we what we expected to be spending. [0:48:18, 0:48:38]: Okay. I'll take both of those. Um so the first question on the upfitting, which is what we call the customization of the vehicle, that is absolutely taken into account. Not only do we sit down with each division, figure out exactly what they need, we also go get some competitive bids for those, bring that back to the team for them to decide based off of the cost of the vehicle, the value of the product. [0:48:38, 0:48:55]: and the time it's gonna take for them to be upfit, they pick the winner. We capitalize that into your lease so you don't have that upfront cost. We also are the experts on resale. So we touched on enterprise mobility. We have over two million vehicles in North America. We sell a little over 1.3 million a year. [0:48:55, 0:49:15]: Um and as it relates to municipalities, that's well over 20,000 vehicles per year across the United States, whether that's a police car, a detective car, a bucket truck, a crane truck. We have all of the details on those vehicles. We watch the resale market just like a financial advisor watches a stock market. So we do have that experience, we do have that data, and 100% [0:49:15, 0:49:35]: That drives the recommendation. Just like Tajay mentioned, we wouldn't recommend you to replace a$150,000 bucket truck in five years. That's going to be a seven, eight, nine, 10-year hold based off of its utilization. But that's part of that ongoing program management where we'll come out to the city and say, hey, based off of the vehicles that you guys are [0:49:35, 0:49:46]: have on your docket for replacement and based off of these different factors, here's the impact financially and operationally of making this choice. And so yes, we take that into consideration. That is a large part of that depreciation bucket. [0:49:47, 0:49:56]: Um but we are experts in both sides of that, getting it decommissioned because with the police vehicles they do go through a very rigorous and specific s uh chain of command. [0:49:56, 0:50:14]: Um, as far as getting it disposed, and we have experts in that field that that help through that process. And then the resale channels that we have, hand selling them back allows for a higher return. And again, we go to that specialized buyer who we know is gonna give us a higher return for the city's vehicles, whether that's the ones you operate today or the ones that we do lease. [0:50:14, 0:50:34]: And then the second answer is absolutely. So every single year you're gonna have someone like myself coming out to the city and we're gonna show you line by line: here was the plan, here's how it played out. Did we do better or worse? Why? And what are the next steps to make sure we stay on pace? Enterprise is an at-will company, you can fire us at any time. That is made because [0:50:34, 0:50:44]: because we wanna come out and show you our value year over year. Um and that's why municipalities had continued to partner with we have over a ninety eight percent retention rate. [0:50:45, 0:51:00]: Um and a lot of the times it when we see any attrition, it's because of leadership change and just not having the opportunity to stand here and answer everybody's questions, um, you know, to retain the partnership. But yes, there's absolutely um that opportunity and it's our job to come out and show you our value every year. [0:51:03, 0:51:05]: Can you speak to the first question I had? [0:51:07, 0:51:23]: Maybe you need to repeat it. Do I need to repeat? Yeah, I just I just wanna hear your expertise from your experiences from pre previous municipalities on how this would work and how what is the expectation for savings for us as a as a city. [0:51:23, 0:51:32]: So there are many factors that uh ought to be analysed which I may not get into, but uh the biggest one would be [0:51:32, 0:51:52]: uh the maintenance cost, as you know, when the cars are aging, the running cost, the maintenance cost they go up. But here you are talking about standard vehicles, then you are talking about e vehicles. I have not dealt with e vehicles, so I cannot just [0:51:52, 0:52:12]: to say uh there will be savings without analyzing and getting into all the factors uh actually getting down with the um both sides. So I can't conclusively, but on the maintenance, yes, there is maintenance savings, but only others I need to get into [0:52:12, 0:52:15]: I can't just conclude. [0:52:17, 0:52:28]: You good. All right. Ms. Gandhi, you have some questions? I do. So Mr. Frank, real quick, are you saying that you haven't had any experience with the leasing of vehicles in other municipalities? [0:52:28, 0:52:32]: Yes, I did. But uh that was the before the introduction of E Vs. [0:52:33, 0:52:52]: before E V's introduction. Okay. And okay. Thank you for that question. Second question is what cities around here are doing the leasing program? W any cities nearby, any other municipalities local or that are dealing doing this right now? [0:52:52, 0:53:02]: Yep. Uh you ready? I'm gonna name them off. Jonesboro, Union City, Fairburn, South Fulton, um, City of Roswell. How how far north do you want me to go? [0:53:02, 0:53:04]: Atlanta metro areas. [0:53:04, 0:53:24]: All right, um you can go back to the last slide. Covington Canton, Livonia. Uh we go our our territory is pretty much to the border of Alabama, about forty-five minutes north of Georgia, and we go all the way up to the Tennessee line. So um in the metro area, those just kind of feel off the top of my head, but we go all the way down to [0:53:24, 0:53:30]: pretty much South Georgia, um down into Sumter County, uh America's down that way. So [0:53:30, 0:53:35]: Or around the state of Georgia. Okay. Thank you. And in regards to that [0:53:35, 0:53:37]: Are there any [0:53:38, 0:53:58]: Uh uh and I came in late and I remember we you guys came in before and did a presentation. So thank you for that. But uh I guess my question is the data that you bring us in regards to whether or not we choose to lease the vehicles, it will will we uh uh what's the process? Would you lease the vehicles first and then then come back and tell us whether or not we [0:53:58, 0:54:03]: [3244.3, 3250.0]: depreciating value the first year, ten years, within five years, the ha half of the value of it's depreciated. [0:54:10, 0:54:30]: And then you have certain cars that only maybe depreciate between 35 to 40 percent in five within those five year spans a little bit holds off a little bit better. Um, EVs do not depreciate as fast. However, they cost double, right? So instead of a utility. [0:54:30, 0:54:39]: Truck sweeper costing us$400,000, it will cost us$800,000. But we wouldn't have to pay for fuel, right? We would have to [0:54:39, 0:54:51]: the manpower on that could be a problem. It won't be um it's not for really large communities, but some municipalities on the West Coast specifically are going with those, um, but not many yet. [0:54:52, 0:54:52]: Right. [0:54:52, 0:55:10]: So there's a couple of studies and things that we would need to do to make those decisions. Are those the things that you would bring to our attention before we decide whether or not we're gonna either lease it or purchase it? Is that what we're gonna do? Because would you still be working with us? I know enterprise sells cars and vehicles. So you would either [0:55:11, 0:55:17]: sell it or lease it to us, correct? Based off of what you think or is it just straight a lease program? [0:55:18, 0:55:38]: So it is a lease program, but you just pay 100% of the vehicle up front. So on day one, if the vehicle costs we're gonna pretend two hundred thousand dollars, then you would pay one hundred and ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine dollars and put it on a program that you would owe one dollar on. The management fee that Enterprise has is through source wall, which would be about twenty-five dollars per month on that unit. [0:55:38, 0:55:40]: That will be your lease payment. [0:55:40, 0:56:00]: So we can do that. But to to proactively answer your question, yes, ma'am, absolutely. And those are all the factors that we'll take into consideration when we bring the financial impact and numbers to your team. So it'll say, uh, you know, here's an electric ve vehicle, here's the standard vehicles, and here's all the costs associated with buying it, its resale, the maintenance, the fuel, et cetera. [0:56:00, 0:56:03]: Um and present that to your team will then take the vehicle that you select. [0:56:03, 0:56:16]: We'll plug it into your budget model and we'll say, hey, you know, go line by line by each vehicle, what vehicles are getting replaced with, what's the financial impact, total impact, fuel maintenance depreciation on that vehicle over the next year and over its term. [0:56:17, 0:56:27]: and provide that to the city so that you'll have a full budget analysis for a you know five to six year out um as opposed to just you know the one vehicle today. [0:56:27, 0:56:30]: But we would pay it off pay it off all up front, correct? [0:56:31, 0:56:42]: And then and then when it's time to sell it, we get refunded back money or or we would sell the vehicle on your behalf, yes ma'am, and we would give you back the proceeds from that. [0:56:42, 0:56:44]: Okay. And [0:56:46, 0:57:06]: In regards to fitting the vehicles for police vehicles, if we keep vehicles, I think right now, currently, you always hear the challenges of vehicles being old. I remember Henry County discussing that at one point. I remember Clayton County discussing it, where vehicles get so old and they're having to maintain them, but the fitting of [0:57:06, 0:57:18]: those vehicles are very expensive. It's like buying a car almost, right? Yeah. Sometimes. So we have a vehicle already fixed up. I guess we would be leasing it or selling it to [0:57:19, 0:57:39]: a company or a a municipality that wants a older police car and it would already be fitted for them. And then we would have to turn back around and repay for we'll pay full price and then we pay for the fitting of a new vehicle. Is that what we're having to do? Nope. Chief says nope. So no that that that equipment um can be recycled [0:57:39, 0:57:59]: And that's what we do is as long as the light systems and everything we're able to repurpose those and put them on the vehicle, which is a cost savings. Something else to Mayor Pro Tem's point that you had mentioned, and something that I don't think was mentioned in this presentation, but in our conversations, um, if we decide that we don't want to go the leasing option route, just like they sell the vehicles, we can buy out that vehicle. [0:57:59, 0:58:07]: Vehicle, just like at the end of a lease, convert it to city use, and those vehicles belong to the city. I hope I didn't misstate that. Thank you. All right. That makes sense. [0:58:08, 0:58:13]: All right, I don't think I have any other questions in r um that regard. Okay. Miss Barber, do you have any questions at all? [0:58:15, 0:58:35]: My questions have all been answered by questions my councilmates have addressed. But I will just ask, um, so the cities that you all have worked with, I'm looking at just the population size and perhaps maybe whatever their uh fleets are. [0:58:35, 0:58:46]: Um, what is the largest city that you worked with? Roswell. Roswell. And what's their population? Know that by chance. I don't know the population. They have a fleet side of five fifty. [0:58:47, 0:58:53]: They have five hundred and fifty vehicles? Okay. Okay. That's a lot. That was one question. Um [0:58:53, 0:58:58]: The source well contract, you mentioned that. Um that won't come until [0:58:59, 0:59:02]: After you've done your final analysis. [0:59:03, 0:59:17]: Um will that come to us or is this once we approve this it will automatically um enroll us into this? We will automatically be piggybacking offices. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Thank you. [0:59:17, 0:59:19]: You mentioned it. [0:59:20, 0:59:22]: Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [0:59:22, 0:59:24]: Ms. Barber, go ahead, please, finish out. [0:59:29, 0:59:30]: Yeah. [0:59:30, 0:59:34]: Ms m hold on now. Ms. Barber, please go ahead and continue. [0:59:37, 0:59:40]: I want to finish my points without being interrupted. [0:59:41, 0:59:42]: Stop saying you finished. [0:59:43, 0:59:46]: M Alexander, calm down please. Miss Barber, go ahead and please finish. [0:59:51, 0:59:58]: I believe it was Mayor Pro Tem who asked about the termination clause in this contract. Um [1:00:00, 1:00:02]: But we don't know what it is. [1:00:03, 1:00:06]: We don't have a copy of the contract to see it. [1:00:07, 1:00:07]: Okay. [1:00:09, 1:00:29]: Yeah, so to terminate us, um, we're like Kat said earlier, we're here to win your business over year over year. We have to come out, provide an analysis to you, show you the same model, show you what projections we're looking to help you save. At any time, if you guys say, Okay, that's it, we didn't find any savings, we didn't find value in the program, we're we don't plan to lease any more vehicles through [1:00:29, 1:00:49]: Enterprise. That's it. So um there's nothing that says you have to sign anything to walk away. You just simply do not replace any more vehicles through enterprise. And the answer to your question would be whatever that lease term is that's remaining, you'd just finish out the rest of that lease, or you would say, hey, we'd like to terminate it and we would see what is the remaining uh outstanding balance on that vehicle. [1:00:49, 1:00:51]: and we will present that to the city. [1:00:51, 1:01:02]: Okay. So it would be a per term, per unit uh basis, but the overall fleet program you would just discontinue by not choosing not to move forward with any of the recommendations that we have. [1:01:02, 1:01:04]: Okay, so this figure right here. [1:01:05, 1:01:08]: Is this just what is listed in our budget book? [1:01:09, 1:01:10]: Line item. Mr. Gardner. [1:01:14, 1:01:17]: What are you holding up? [1:01:18, 1:01:22]: This just says FY twenty twenty five cost public works. [1:01:25, 1:01:29]: That's just what you're proposing in the line items in the budget? [1:01:30, 1:01:32]: I didn't see that. [1:01:34, 1:01:35]: Is that for vehicles? [1:01:35, 1:01:40]: That would be the first that would be the first year cost for public works. [1:01:42, 1:01:51]: It's eighty thousand five hundred seventy six for public works. [1:01:52, 1:01:59]: requested for replacement. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you for that. And that's all I have, Mayor. Thank you. All right. Ms. Alexander. [1:02:00, 1:02:06]: Yeah, thank you uh for the that. Well I have clarification and let me say this again. Listen. [1:02:06, 1:02:26]: I understand heavy use vehicles and I said that five times during my presentation that heavy use vehicles are the exception. I'm talking about general use vehicles. Public works has general use vehicles. The police department has general use vehicles as sir as the council does as well. [1:02:26, 1:02:31]: So Miss Holliday, so what the vehicles that we use as the council [1:02:31, 1:02:33]: What uh what is the replacement on those? [1:02:36, 1:02:47]: The vehicles that the council uses as far as we use are the general vehicles in the fleet that we're using when they're replaced, do you decide who who decides to replace those? [1:02:50, 1:03:10]: purchased um by different departments and came in at different times. We had some that were placed by I mean that were purchased by community development. Some were put uh purchased by the previous city manager. No you new ve vehicles have been purchased since 20 and 18 I wanna say. [1:03:09, 1:03:29]: Um but my office no longer manages fleet. That's done under your um executive assistant to mayor council and also um public works does the fleet maintenance on those vehicles. So I the clerk's office is not over that anymore, uh councilman. [1:03:29, 1:03:39]: Alexander. Okay, Miss Ross. Are you with the the vehicles are twenty eighteen? Do we have any of them? [1:03:39, 1:03:47]: Is that who does that calculation? Are you involved in making the decision to replace them? Or who is? [1:03:48, 1:03:51]: Well wait, could you wait till you get the mic, please, sir? Oh. [1:03:53, 1:04:10]: Okay, excuse me. Those vehicles was purchased uh through the Miller administration. So those vehicles have not been replaced. They're probably averaging about thirty, forty thousand miles on'em that you all have put on them, you know, saying through administration. But again, we purchased those vehicles. [1:04:10, 1:04:14]: So in order to replace him, we'll have to sit there and surplus them. [1:04:14, 1:04:16]: And we probably wouldn't get a good value for'em. [1:04:18, 1:04:34]: Right, but uh again they're very old vehicles that we purchased them in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen or twenty. Correct. There were two that were purchased during that time, but there were four that was purchased in twenty eighteen December twenty eighteen. Correct. [1:04:35, 1:04:37]: I apologize, Mayor. So [1:04:37, 1:04:44]: Literally all of your vehicles are under forty thousand miles. Yes. So I'll give you an example. I have a Ford Explorer. Mm-hmm. [1:04:45, 1:04:50]: 2011, the first year they came up with the design, I have over 250,000 miles on my car. [1:04:51, 1:04:54]: So to kinda compare, you guys don't drive them often. [1:04:55, 1:04:56]: They sit more than they drive. [1:04:57, 1:05:04]: So you don't have a lot of mileage on them or a lot of wear and tear. So they still have some usage to you from a cost saving standpoint. [1:05:04, 1:05:13]: But when we do replace them, um it's the hope that yes, we will be able to replace them with either some type of hydroid or fully electric vehicle. [1:05:13, 1:05:14]: Um [1:05:15, 1:05:15]: To [1:05:16, 1:05:36]: Give you all an update as it relates to the infrastructure. So we're in the process now of taking two approaches towards infrastructure for electric vehicles. We're submitting for an open grant to get funding. Um, those we're looking at putting them near the Merrmanners in the park, and then we're working with a [1:05:36, 1:05:38]: The firm at no cost to us. [1:05:38, 1:05:48]: um to provide the electric infrastructure at the police department and public works. So those are two kind of areas that we're really working on as part of the whole innovation thing that we got moving forward. [1:05:49, 1:05:56]: Um, is to look at how do we get those charging stations up. Cause the ones we have here now, those are not your fast chargers. [1:05:57, 1:06:03]: So for our vehicles when we look at when they tie into'em, they've gotta be able to get that hour charge, be fully ready to go. [1:06:04, 1:06:11]: Um especially with the police department. So we're investigating that now and looking at a couple of options for funding so it doesn't have to come fully out of our pocket. [1:06:12, 1:06:32]: Okay, so the vehicles are o of age, but they mostly have mileage on them. So when they do get to that point of being replaced, then they they will go into this uh particular program where we will look at how to replace them and what then re what to uh replace them with at this point. So the question [1:06:32, 1:06:35]: The question now remains, Mr. Gardner, the staff recommendation is to do what? [1:06:38, 1:06:58]: Uh the staff recommendation is to move forward with the the lease option. And as far as the administrative vehicles, they looked at all of the vehicles, but based on mileage, it was the police and department and public works that they would start off with first. And then they'd look at the other vehicles for the city, like events, has be a couple of vehicles, community. [1:06:58, 1:07:07]: Development, administration, as city manager says, the administration, they might n not have that many miles on it, but they uh age-wise, [1:07:07, 1:07:21]: they'll get old, but they're just sitting there the majority of the time self when you go into conferences and things like that. So they'll be a part of the city's lease program, but it's just based on age and usage and mileage, how you cycle those in and out. [1:07:21, 1:07:41]: And again, as I've said earlier, the original analysis that we put together has those vehicles included in it. So remember there was two analysis that I did for the public works. Their very first analysis shows replacing 25 vehicles the first year. However, when we presented that to the city, you guys want to take a slower approach into the program, which is very common. So that's why we started with 10 vehicles and we're focusing on the water and the sewer department. [1:07:41, 1:07:59]: The very first analysis though that includes twenty-five vehicles has the entire uh cities fleet in it and it does include those admin vehicles that you're asking about. Okay. Summarize the savings of the program again for the public who might have tuned in, like what's the total savings of the program is they are in there? Okay, okay. [1:08:01, 1:08:21]: So over the course doing this model here, what you're gonna see is a savings of$29,000 over the course of 10 years. However, like I said before, every year we're gonna redo this analysis. So this year, what you're looking at is a projected plan. If we stuck with this plan here, it would be a$29,000 savings over the course of 10 years. But in 2025, we're gonna come back. [1:08:21, 1:08:41]: With the same model, and we're gonna update this. So next year when we come back with this model, it'll show you replacing 10 vehicles. But for 2026, instead of it saying 10 vehicles again, we're going to recommend those additional 15 vehicles that didn't get replaced in 25 to be replaced in 26 because they are ultimately driving down your costs. Is that answering your question? [1:08:41, 1:08:57]: So so basically what you're saying is their savings analysis is based solely on this point, on the vehicles that you're you're you're uh actually going to be leasing to us and as we add more vehicles on it, then that number should grow. Yes, sir. Okay. [1:08:57, 1:09:17]: All right, Mr. Thomas. Uh and may I I will make this real brief. Uh again, where I am is lease versus purchase, gas versus electric, and everything in between. That's just where I am. So I'm going to ask, and I've asked this question a few years. [1:09:17, 1:09:24]: Um I'd just like to know from our treasurer the gas [1:09:25, 1:09:45]: usage, especially in the police department. And I think for me, that helps me to determine gas versus electric. And I think um I heard one of my question was the advantage and and I think I heard the answer over the years the saving is in the maintenance. And and I [1:09:45, 1:09:51]: I see that and I understand that. But I but I've asked this question uh for a couple of years. [1:09:52, 1:09:54]: I'd like to know [1:09:55, 1:09:56]: How much a city? [1:09:57, 1:10:03]: is spending in gas. I know in the police department we have take on vehicles. [1:10:03, 1:10:16]: So for me to make decisions down the road, because I'm all about the future, are we going to switch over to uh electric? Are we going to have a combination of electric and lease? But I like to know. [1:10:16, 1:10:18]: The cost of gas. [1:10:19, 1:10:20]: Um [1:10:20, 1:10:21]: Not tonight. [1:10:22, 1:10:35]: But I I would like to just know that figure. May I'm a year back and I and I would just um move that um we spent a lot of time on this subject and I I don't know what we're going through. There's a couple other people still wanna speak so if you don't mind. So [1:10:35, 1:10:45]: Ms. Gantt I'm gonna make a motion. Well, Ms. Gantt need to speak something. I have one other comment in in regards to this. Um uh [1:10:45, 1:10:48]: I know had been mentioned about public works having [1:10:48, 1:10:57]: Um, the EV vehicles. I'm not against it. I just think we need to research and study a little bit more. But what I am against is putting [1:10:58, 1:11:01]: Біг бігал с атлір он. [1:11:01, 1:11:21]: the back parking lot here. I don't think that is a a very wise decision. I think that we need to make sure we have the infrastructure in place to be able to charge those particular vehicles. And that would need to be done at the public works facility. Just like they stated that they would be working on looking for [1:11:21, 1:11:35]: E B capabilities, plugins at the police station, as well as over at the public works facility. Once those are implemented, I think we can really look into [1:11:35, 1:11:51]: the EVV look into and and get a great study on that. I I'm no, I'm I'm just talking in general because we need to be mindful as well of the cost, even though it at some point [1:11:52, 1:11:57]: It may balance out. The upfront cost is double what we would normally pay. [1:11:57, 1:12:02]: And s depending on what the job is, based off of the research I've done. [1:12:02, 1:12:12]: it may be something that requires a larger horsepower and we need to look at the reviews on it. A lot of times I mean the the regular residential vehicles [1:12:13, 1:12:20]: are you know there have been more studies on it. Now you're talking about E B commercial vehicles. And I'm not against it. [1:12:20, 1:12:34]: The pros are exactly what you said, Councilman Alexander, you know, less pollution, no gas, saving money on more is l it lasts a little bit longer, um, you know, less maintenance. Um [1:12:35, 1:12:44]: Higher a less depreciation and value percentage over the course of years. But there are also the cons, the price. [1:12:44, 1:12:45]: Um [1:12:45, 1:13:05]: The location of having to get it charged, when does the charge go? The ability to get them fixed when they do go down, the who can who can fix them, right? And so those are things that we are gonna have to take into consideration and we need to really dig into. It sounds good. I'm not against it, not any means, but I want to make [1:13:05, 1:13:06]: Make sure. [1:13:07, 1:13:27]: Wherever we have vehicles, they also have charging capabilities at the location of those vehicles. They need to be secured. That's all. So one of the things we don't mind is Mayor and Council allocated four million dollars in the Splash 6 for a new maintenance shop. And EV charging station and infrastructure is going to be a part. [1:13:27, 1:13:36]: Of that project. But one of the things we like about the lease program, as you're well aware, since I've been here eight years, we bought two street sweepers. [1:13:36, 1:13:56]: And those they have a lot of moving parts. They're constantly in and out of the shop. Now, with a lease program, every three years we can get a new street sweeper versus every eight to ten years. And like I say, streets are not getting swept as frequently as they should because there's always some kind of mechanical issue we're taking to the shop. But with a newer one and you're [1:13:56, 1:14:08]: turn them over more frequently, then you don't have the downtime that we're experiencing. And like I said, buying a street sweeper is 200 plus. Now it's probably about 300,000. So that's one of the benefits of it. [1:14:08, 1:14:10]: It's eight hundred if it's electric. [1:14:11, 1:14:16]: And just one more time, Commissioner Alexander, uh he did ask about the savings on [1:14:18, 1:14:25]: Go ahead, sir. Go ahead, please. You asked about the savings on the police department and kind of like as I've been saying this whole presentation. [1:14:25, 1:14:37]: Regardless of what happens, the police department, when they need vehicles, we have to get vehicles to keep the citizens of Stockbridge safe. Um the eight vehicles that we looked at conc um system of four Ford Expeditions and four uh four Maquees, right? [1:14:38, 1:14:58]: Ford Expedition is$60,000, the Maquees are$45,000. Let's just say an average of$40,000. If you guys went out next year to purchase these four four um eight vehicles at$40,000 a piece, that's$320,000 versus leasing the eight vehicles and spending next year$87,000. [1:14:58, 1:15:16]: At the end like I said, at the end of the day, you guys have to make a decision. It's just going to be what you which option do you want to take? Do you still want to go down the same route of just dishing out cash to continue replacing vehicles? Or do you take a more proactive replacement option and spread out your payments and take advantage of the equity lease of recouping on your the equity in the vehicle itself once you sell it? [1:15:17, 1:15:20]: Thank you for that. Mr. Thomas, do you have a motion you want to make? [1:15:23, 1:15:43]: Okay. Council, I need a motion. One way or the other. What which way we want to go? Uh let me say this again. I am not for purchasing any heavy use vehicles, no street sweepers or any vehicles like that, uh heavy use vehicles in the E V format because we have already agreed an hour ago that [1:15:43, 1:16:00]: that was not the thing to do because the technology was not there yet. So my position has always been to is the low maintenance vehicles that we would look to look to improve. But the staff recommendation is for approval. Is that correct, Mr. Aaron? [1:16:01, 1:16:08]: Or the lease program. Yes, sir, it is. Mr G Mr Mr Gardner, you have any comments to add? [1:16:16, 1:16:26]: Thank you, sir. Just one. Um, I remembered I did speak with the city manager in Fairburn and he gave me two thumbs up for the program at what this is doing for the city of Fairburn. [1:16:27, 1:16:38]: So you so you you're on board with the significant savings? Yes, sir. I think anytime you can lease and you know, the the biggest issues we've had and pretty much everywhere I've worked has been [1:16:39, 1:16:41]: life cycle management of vehicles. [1:16:42, 1:16:43]: Right. Um [1:16:44, 1:17:04]: And that's been the key because by the time you have where that vehicle has gone beyond certain mileage, you've lost value in it. So when you put it on gov deals, you're getting pennies for it. Versus at a certain point they transition it, you get a higher value for it. That money comes back to us once it's sold, or we could actually [1:17:04, 1:17:13]: we re hopefully they'll give us the option to just go ahead and cycle. That way you're not worried about paying for and it reduces your overall cost over time. So [1:17:14, 1:17:15]: This is a win win. [1:17:15, 1:17:24]: Um, I think after the last meeting you guys asked me to talk to someone that had done it. So I did speak with the city manager in Fairburn and he gave me two thumbs up as to what they were doing with this program. [1:17:25, 1:17:45]: But I do want to follow up on Councilman Thomas' question. He didn't get an answer. How much are we spending in fuel every year? Does someone know? I can't tell you it because we'd have to add it up across all of the departments. And I'd say in the motion that I'm going to put in the motion to approve the lease program as [1:17:45, 1:18:05]: recommended by staff for the additional savings. But as a part of that, I would like the answer to that question, which is how much are we spending in total fuels citywide and in each department so we can actually do some of the research that Ms. Gantt has mentioned to see whether or not, you know, what the actual savings would be because we need [1:18:04, 1:18:23]: to know that number of how much money we spent. That's a that's a good question, which is what is this the savings gonna be not just in maintenance, but in the fuel versus the electric. So they actually have uh some numbers here for us. For public works, it's about eighty-five thousand [1:18:24, 1:18:35]: in fuel and so you gotta think that's that's per year, I'm assuming that's that's per year. So all of their vehicles, heavy truck, and that includes that includes diesel, I assume, tractors and so forth, is in that month. [1:18:36, 1:18:37]: Yes. [1:18:37, 1:18:45]: And you uh r realize too, they are a everyday moving department. They don't sit and sometimes when they do sit, they have to run. [1:18:45, 1:19:03]: Um, I think Chief said the police department is right around 220,000. Oh, yeah. And that's that's pretty much about average. But also realize that cost is associated with what the current price of gasoline is per gallon. So as gas goes down, obviously that footprint goes down. [1:19:03, 1:19:14]: Um so you budget high with the hopes that hey when gas when if gas goes down that's a cost savings for us, um versus you know being on the other side and budgeting low. But [1:19:14, 1:19:19]: Um and remember that his cars are constantly moving as well and they're running every day. [1:19:19, 1:19:39]: So between those two departments we're looking at about three hundred thousand. Yeah. But it does not include that's still not a total total number. So if you would get the total number of all of the expenses that we're spending on fuel yearly, maybe for the past couple of years, and we can see the fluctuations in when gas prices is up and when the gas prices are down. [1:19:39, 1:19:47]: Yep. And and always remember too that your police department just got started. So if you're looking back five, ten years, they weren't here. [1:19:48, 1:19:51]: So their their cost is obviously by the number of [1:19:52, 1:20:04]: personnel and fleet that they added to the to the program. That's all r you you see that number going. But yeah, we could we could go through and pull those numbers for you.'Cause at some point I would tell you that I would like to be able to get to a point where we [1:20:05, 1:20:05]: Well [1:20:06, 1:20:08]: Have a place that's our own. [1:20:09, 1:20:16]: Um, that we provide fuel for our vehicles and that way we can buy better with the market versus having to deal with the gas stations that we currently deal with. [1:20:16, 1:20:36]: Okay, my motion is to go with the fleet maintenance program and to gain the savings that the city has administered with the caveats that we're gonna get the information uh on the gas usage for the city in the past couple of years. And this is owned and this is to be focused primarily on light duty vehicles, no heavy use. [1:20:36, 1:20:42]: vehicles uh at all. The focus is to be on general uh uh uh vehicle use. [1:20:43, 1:20:45]: Is there a second to that motion? [1:20:46, 1:20:49]: Uh Mr Berry second that motion. All in favor, please indicate. [1:20:51, 1:20:55]: All favor? One, two, three, opposed? [1:20:58, 1:20:59]: What what's your clarification, sir? [1:21:01, 1:21:03]: You uh I think your mic's not on, sir. [1:21:03, 1:21:10]: I know Councilman Alexander put that in his motion about vehicles that may be needed uh in public works. [1:21:12, 1:21:15]: I would appreciate though in that motion [1:21:16, 1:21:17]: Exactly. [1:21:17, 1:21:21]: 'Cause uh'cause again my issue was [1:21:21, 1:21:22]: Um [1:21:22, 1:21:24]: The capital improvement. [1:21:25, 1:21:26]: Playing. [1:21:26, 1:21:28]: And the least plan. [1:21:28, 1:21:30]: And I'm not in favor of both. [1:21:30, 1:21:33]: So I'd just like to be very clear. [1:21:33, 1:21:35]: If it if it is it the least [1:21:36, 1:21:40]: program only. You think leads only? Or is or is it a combination there uh [1:21:41, 1:21:55]: I'm thinking that it's the lease and that we're going in that direction because that's where the savings is, is that we are eliminating all old vehicles from the fleet over time. But in the capital um [1:21:55, 1:21:58]: program. Mm-hmm. They have vehicles as well. [1:21:58, 1:22:18]: But this was the in the capital, that cost is this was done before we started talking with enterprise about leasing. So the money you allocated in the capital budget will actually go towards the lease. You will not be outright buying these vehicles. It'll switch over to the lease program. So that money that's in capital. [1:22:18, 1:22:21]: capital would find a lease agreement. [1:22:21, 1:22:27]: So the city manager is responsible for the budget. So I just wanna confirm that that is the case. [1:22:35, 1:22:55]: Yes, sir. I I just wanna confirm that that is the case. Uh Mr. Aaron just spoke to as far as what is indicated in the capital improvement plan. Right. Those funds now will be converted over into the lease plan. Correct, which would hopefully reduce our which will should reduce our f our cost footprint and give us additional savings if we're doing that. [1:22:55, 1:22:57]: I also rem remind you too that [1:22:57, 1:23:00]: Um as Chief said, we actually did actually put monies in the splus. [1:23:01, 1:23:11]: Right, to purchase vehicles. So this won't be coming from the general fund per se as time go along. We'll be purchasing out of this plus to make to to make these vehicles happen to the lease program. [1:23:12, 1:23:16]: So I j I just want to be sure. Yes, sir. Thank you for confirming. [1:23:16, 1:23:25]: Okay, do we need clarification on your motion against it? Yeah, I'm certainly in agreement with that, ms um that uh that's certainly in incumbent what what we've agreed upon. [1:23:26, 1:23:30]: Okay. [1:23:30, 1:23:39]: I have a um motion to approve as recommended by staff for light duty vehicles. [1:23:40, 1:23:42]: With the cost savings. [1:23:43, 1:23:55]: And a total fuel analysis for each department for the past few years and that the capital improvement plan vehicle funding would go towards the least pro [1:23:56, 1:24:00]: Yes, that's the motion. Oh, that's the motion. Okay. Thank you, ma'am. There's a second emotion. [1:24:02, 1:24:05]: Mr. Berry still second that motion. All right. All in favor, please indicate? [1:24:06, 1:24:20]: Okay, so now it's decision. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you, gentlemen. Ladies, appreciate enterprise. Congratulations. Uh what we have next is a public hearing, final reading and adoption of the FY 2025 operating budget and capital improvement plan. [1:24:21, 1:24:38]: Let's see here. So since the public hearing, let me read the public hearing rules. Please mute uh mute all cell phones and electronic devices. If anyone wishes to speak tonight on a public hearing item, please fill out the form available on the table and hand it to the city clerk before approaching the podium. [1:24:38, 1:24:49]: After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant of the representatives regarding the proposed plans for property along with or any other relevant information. [1:24:50, 1:25:10]: The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor of the or opposed to the case will have an opportunity to do so. Each side will be allotted ten minutes total. 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The applicant may reserve part or of his or her speaking time as a rebuttal or may speak next and last and may use the entire 10 minutes allowed for the pro side of the application. [1:26:00, 1:26:20]: If questions are raised, the council may ask the applicant to address questions and or concerns. The presiding officer will call for the motion and a second emotion will have a necessary discussion. Uh if the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for the vote and recommend approval or for denial of the request. Okay, this is in reference to our uh [1:26:22, 1:26:28]: Fin uh final reading, adoption of the FY twenty twenty five operating budget. And uh Mr. Gardner, please. [1:26:28, 1:26:30]: Um, he stepped away for just a second, maybe. [1:26:31, 1:26:33]: Okay. Okay. [1:26:39, 1:26:46]: Good evening, Mayor Council. I apologize. I had to run to the restroom real quick. Um so kind of recap. [1:26:52, 1:27:12]: Uh yes, this is our uh read final read for the the budget for FY twenty five. Um kind of give you a recap. Obviously we started this process at the staff level back in late April, early May, um developing the budget um at the staff and department level, um brought the budget to city council. [1:27:12, 1:27:16]: So at our retreat where we spent I think three days going over [1:27:16, 1:27:20]: And having each of the staff present to city council their budget budget requests. [1:27:21, 1:27:23]: To include their personnel requests. [1:27:23, 1:27:28]: Um and capital, we ran through that process over a three day period back in August. [1:27:28, 1:27:29]: Um [1:27:29, 1:27:31]: We are now here. Um [1:27:31, 1:27:33]: Yeah, first read on November ninth. [1:27:34, 1:27:35]: And we're here before council. [1:27:36, 1:27:39]: uh for the adoption of the FY twenty five budget. [1:27:40, 1:27:43]: Um at our last meeting on November ninth. [1:27:43, 1:27:53]: Think there were some special requests made um by counsel for us to look at addressing. And I hope I keep captured all of them correctly. Um you should hold as part. [1:27:55, 1:28:07]: of that my presentation as well as um some of the budget sheets that kinda highlights where we've added some additional what was requested for additional funding for specific items. [1:28:07, 1:28:27]: as well as the personnel request be the last sheet just attached to the individual budget sheets, the justification for thereof, and I think they're also requested um a line by line review of the changes in the jobs. Um I know we talked about two special projects. [1:28:27, 1:28:32]: And this has been under drawing books for a while, the Performing and Cultural Arts and the Youth and Senior Center. [1:28:33, 1:28:35]: Um at our retreat back in [1:28:35, 1:28:38]: Early in the year there was combat discussions regarding [1:28:38, 1:28:43]: Looking at a combination of the two buildings and we've kinda looked at that. [1:28:43, 1:28:48]: footprint, but we heard some messages that maybe we should keep it as two separate buildings. [1:28:48, 1:28:52]: But I know that that's something that obviously we're gonna address, hopefully at our [1:28:53, 1:29:13]: um upcoming retreat that we have in the early spring um before we go to national leagues as cities. So we'll be able to have um some direction there because obviously there's some funding available to get that project moving forward, either one of them depending on which one we've got direction. I know that we started moving on the performing [1:29:13, 1:29:17]: cultural arts and then obviously because of the cost that was associated we um [1:29:18, 1:29:38]: We kind of hold off to see what we could get some additional funding. And as you guys know, we got the SPLOSS approved and we did budget a considerable amount of our SPLOS funds towards um this program. So um that'll be allowed for us to be able to start making a move on this pro on that project. Um as of uh you asked, explain for [1:29:38, 1:29:47]: reclassification and new budget requests and I I think during our meeting, um Frank, if I can remember correctly, out of the I think there was twelve positions. [1:29:48, 1:29:52]: that we identified uh that's in the budget and of those [1:29:53, 1:29:57]: Frank, I'm sorry. Come come to the mic, please. And of those only [1:29:57, 1:29:58]: Oh yeah. [1:29:58, 1:30:01]: So again, eleven. And two were [1:30:02, 1:30:13]: New positions but rec two brand new positions, but the other ones were reclassifications of existing, which means that there were existing personnel in those positions. Um [1:30:13, 1:30:33]: They weren't adding to the list, but just keeping the existing, for the most part, existing footprint of the number of employees. If you look at your sheet, this has the justification on here. This would give you an idea of the justification that came from each of the departments as it related to their requests. Number one was the public safety officer, the public safety supervisor. [1:30:33, 1:30:42]: The other one was code enforcement supervisor, the code enforcement manager. And we'll get a little bit more in-depth with that. [1:30:42, 1:30:44]: It was a separate request. [1:30:44, 1:30:50]: Um administrative manager to administrative coordinator, and that's in public works. [1:30:50, 1:30:51]: Um [1:30:52, 1:30:58]: creative and record creation of a record supervisor position within the police department. [1:30:58, 1:31:03]: Creation of a multimedia coordinator within the police department. [1:31:03, 1:31:19]: Um management management analyst to management of data strategy and innovation and I've just removed that'cause that was the only request coming from my department. So I've removed that position. Um I think that's all of the positions, I think. [1:31:19, 1:31:39]: That we we have identified as part of that. So I'll I'll take questions on those. I know we will there was um a request to add about fifteen thousand for additional uh Christmas decorations, and we've been able to to do that um for the next upcoming year um to look at adding uh Christmas decorations. [1:31:39, 1:31:59]: Throughout the city. There was an additional axe for 150 to look at potential property acquisition. We were able to do that. There was a request for$40,000 for small business assistance, which we funded duly between Opera funds, which are expended in that. [1:31:59, 1:32:05]: that realm as well as some additional um general fund fund to be put towards the program. [1:32:07, 1:32:27]: So we've done that. Excuse me. Uh-oh. Um, and then obviously the other option was there were actually three, not two. But you guys wanted us to look at two new options as it relates to code enforcement and where code enforcement should go. Should it stay with the police department, which is as you see in the [1:32:27, 1:32:33]: presentation is the city manager's recommendation, or make it a separate department with a code director. [1:32:34, 1:32:38]: Or included as part back into community development with a code supervisor. [1:32:40, 1:32:54]: And then I think uh there was one more to show the extension of the chart and I'm actually have to rewr revising my chart my um letter. So I will provide that to you guys um hopefully tomorrow. So I'm still working on that. Um [1:32:59, 1:33:12]: And hopefully you guys can see this. I know it's kind of tight, was trying to get both of these on there. So what you see as it relates to um and I'll go to the bottom line and highlight that. [1:33:13, 1:33:18]: So with code under community development um [1:33:20, 1:33:40]: The cost is right about four hundred and four hundred and fifty-six thousand three hundred and ninety-two dollars. And that's pretty much removing code from the police department wholly and putting it under community development. And community development includes your planning, your zoning, um, GIS, well, planning zoning permit and GIS um are in there and included in that. [1:33:40, 1:33:49]: That is obviously the fire marshal who's in that department. So those are the structure of it, but we budget separately for each one of those. This would just be added into that structure. [1:33:49, 1:33:52]: Um if you look at adding it with a director [1:33:52, 1:34:12]: with a salary in the range of eighty-five thousand somewhere in there. Between seventy-five and and ninety, it would be the range somewhere in there. Um, it'll go from that four fifty six to four four sixty-six hundred thousand, uh, four hundred sixty-six thousand uh dollars, um, to where the code director and [1:34:12, 1:34:16]: the associated code enforcement officers with that. [1:34:18, 1:34:21]: What is it currently right now within within the police department? [1:34:21, 1:34:25]: Currently in the police department it is at the four [1:34:28, 1:34:35]: With the request the the chief giving it's at that four four hundred and fifty six thousand three hundred and ninety two. [1:34:37, 1:34:45]: And you should see that highlighted um in your pocket. As you see, we have land acquisition added. If you look at your spreadsheets. [1:34:45, 1:34:52]: That if approved, we will include these as part of the pocket. Second page illustrates the Christmas decorations and where those would go. [1:34:53, 1:35:13]: And the public works. Um economic development would get the infusion for small business assistance, preferably at about 5,000 per business, so that way we can touch more businesses than not. Because at 10 it's only four, but at five you get you get more businesses to to assist. Um sheet number three was showing. [1:35:13, 1:35:26]: show the different options for code enforcement as the scenario one and two being just a manager under code enforcement at the four fifty six as a separate department for the four fifty six as a separate department for sixty-six. [1:35:28, 1:35:42]: Sir. Yes sir. Go ahead please. Okay. Now I w in terms of the code of code enforcement, this includes a supervisor, how many code enforcement officers and how in this supervisor position a new supervisor that you're speaking of? [1:35:43, 1:35:47]: So it would be the supervisor and four code enforcement officers. [1:35:48, 1:35:58]: It'd be three I'm sorry, he's got a three up. Three, excuse me. So three officers and and the and a supervisor. Okay. So right now today what do we have? [1:35:59, 1:36:19]: We have four same same scenario. Three and three three and one. Same scenario. Okay, so we have three and one today and they're doing weekends too, right? Uh I think they do. I don't know if Chief, you wanna speak to the operations of code, but I think they're gonna be a bit more. [1:36:18, 1:36:22]: should be doing weekends is what we had talked about. [1:36:26, 1:36:35]: There's not a permanent rotation as it relates to weekends, but they do work some weekend assignments and then they also modify their schedule to work the evening assignments. One of the challenges has been [1:36:36, 1:36:54]: that just until here recently uh we were operating with two code enforcement officers. That's been a challenge, but we've hired three. Uh we still have not filled the supervisory position. When we're at full capacity, we'll be able to enhance our operational capacity to be able to cover more area um over a broader range uh of time. [1:36:54, 1:37:14]: Okay, certainly speaking for myself and hope and I don't know, we've all wanted to have that weekend presence because we have all these pop-up businesses that just show up, especially during the holiday season, robbing our local retailers of of sales that they should get, and they just pop up everywhere. [1:37:14, 1:37:34]: And that weekend business, they know in the past they haven't been working. Henry County has now done the same thing that we did in the past. So certainly I would strongly encourage that we do that and that we have weekend courage coverage because I get calls all the time about pop up businesses and nuisances that only occur especially [1:37:34, 1:37:54]: having tractor trailers sitting in driveways uh in subdivisions during the weekend and such violations as that. So uh asking me, I certainly want to see twenty four I certainly want to see uh weekend code enforcement. If if I could if I could speak to that in just a moment, um one of the things that we've been doing [1:37:54, 1:37:59]: doing with code enforcement being under the police department is our code enforcement has been cross training our officers. [1:38:00, 1:38:15]: All code enforcement violations are city ordinance violations of which our officers are able to enforce. So if you have something like a pop-up business or a semi-trailer that's not parked appropriately in the evening hours, those common occurrences uh we're training our officers what to look for. [1:38:15, 1:38:35]: And um uh they've actually our code enforcement has done some in service with them to be able to address those issues. So I we do have the capacity to address those in general twenty-four seven. Uh one of the things too is we've been training our uh public safety officers in some of the uh the code enforcement to enhance our uh operational capacity as it relates to that as well. [1:38:35, 1:38:35]: [5915.8, 5935.8]: L let me just say this, Chief. I'm going to be recommending that we move code enforcement to community development because I think the flow is natural that they are writing the code, they're interpreting the code. But what you just said, I don't want that to go away because of the recommendation that I would like to [1:38:55, 1:39:15]: like to see happen which is I want I still want to see those officers when they see a semi in a driveway to report it or to to act upon it. Well if I I I'm sorry sir, please. I'm sorry but I certainly want to make sure that that does not go away in what I feel needs to be the knockful progression. That's up to the entire council. [1:39:15, 1:39:35]: What to do. But when Ryan and his team approve a development, the code enforcement officers, in addition to the building department office, should go back out and they should be following up. And it should be right there in their hands in some type of handheld or whatever, the conditions or whatever the business. [1:39:35, 1:39:55]: Was supposed to be uh adhering to. I know we had this business uh uh on on Walt Stevens that we approved right by Red Oak United Methodist Church. It s appears that those corrections or those additions have been completed, but it took a long time for those for that. [1:39:55, 1:40:15]: driveway to be completed and a lot of things to be done. But if the code enforcement officer or someone were fall going out to follow up on getting those things done, then they would have been done because we approved that way back during the pandemic, but the improvements took a long time to happen. I feel like there's a lot of things out there [1:40:15, 1:40:35]: going on that we approve, but is anybody really going back out there to check? And then when they're getting a report, uh the officers gotta call code enforcement anyway to get a ruling or representation or legal or somebody. I I just feel like that'll be the best direction to go in. And from my standpoint, I want to see [1:40:35, 1:40:55]: you guys focus on crime. I don't want to see them, I certainly want them to uh aware of those other items, but to focus on crime. And that 300 and taking that out of your budget actually, because there's some concern about, you know, since we started a police department, that number has been escalating uh on a [1:40:55, 1:41:15]: yearly basis. But one of the reasons that number's been escalating is because we had other departments, uh, this four hundred and fifty six thousand dollars or whatever that amount is included into that budget, that separated out people can generally see what we're spending on the police department not uh in in in excluding [1:41:15, 1:41:21]: the code enforcement instead of lumping out all together uh under one category. [1:41:22, 1:41:40]: Re real quick and and um I'm just speaking from my professional view of code enforcement. Having run code for eight years in the city of Griffin and having code under me at the city of East Point and the City of Um McDonough, you know, and Henry County. Um [1:41:41, 1:41:47]: Henry County, when I started back in 2000, code enforcement was its own department. They now been absorbed by the police department. [1:41:47, 1:41:55]: Um code enforcement and Griffin was running in develop in community development, but because our department wasn't getting the resources, we moved it to [1:41:56, 1:42:09]: um police department uh in the city of Griffin. Um and I will tell you we did that for two reasons. Um at the time back in two thousand and eight there was a coding officer who got shot. [1:42:09, 1:42:11]: On private property. [1:42:11, 1:42:12]: Lost his life. [1:42:13, 1:42:28]: And because of that, we move code because that code officer now has the symbiotic relationship with the police department. Not only that, when he gets on that radio, if he makes a certain call, it's not just him coming to his rescue, it's gonna be GSP. [1:42:29, 1:42:30]: Because we've had that happen before. [1:42:31, 1:42:35]: Right, as well as spawning county p sheriff coming to that person's rescue. [1:42:35, 1:42:36]: Um and they work. [1:42:37, 1:42:41]: And sometimes I w you know, we don't have some of the challenges obviously that we had in in Griffin. [1:42:42, 1:42:50]: But code enforcement was a sometimes our eyes, and I asked for the police department because they can do certain things the police technically can't do. [1:42:50, 1:42:58]: But they can see things and then report to the police department, and that could be instantaneous. Um and then it's also the issue of safety, right? Um [1:42:59, 1:43:12]: The issues we dealt with in East Point was a little different because we had a lot of abandoned vacant structures and obviously we didn't want code walking in those buildings by themselves. So obviously they will call police when they're doing those inspections. As it relates to [1:43:13, 1:43:20]: code offices doing building inspections, that's not their forte. Any development that gets built or housing that gets built. [1:43:20, 1:43:22]: It's the development inspective. [1:43:22, 1:43:32]: building the spec ins the inspectors to review those plans with the zoning condition to make sure that they're adhere into the zoning conditions. If they don't, the first order of business is they put a stop work order on. [1:43:33, 1:43:44]: If they see it as a violation, then yes, code enforcement can be issued to go over and give them a citation and put them in court. Dual roles, but those roles uh working together. [1:43:45, 1:43:52]: Um, so they're not billing inspectors per se. So having them go to that class. And do we do have code enforcement and I'll tell you what we did. [1:43:54, 1:43:56]: In both of the entities where I code w I work with code. [1:43:57, 1:44:02]: We actually had our code, and I think chiefdom are doing the same thing. They get gurt gate certified. [1:44:03, 1:44:06]: Level one, level two, level three. And usually at level three you're a supervisor. [1:44:07, 1:44:09]: When you got their qualifications. [1:44:09, 1:44:20]: Um, we also made them do ICC code property maintenance code because obviously there are some yard issues and stuff that they could address through the property maintenance code. So that assists. [1:44:20, 1:44:25]: But lot of those problems, you know, we don't see generally here because we're still s community of [1:44:26, 1:44:30]: Except for some of the areas we annex, but still a community is growing and most of our homes are [1:44:30, 1:44:32]: Literally under twenty five years old. [1:44:33, 1:44:33]: Um [1:44:34, 1:44:34]: You know. [1:44:35, 1:44:36]: Homes in East Point, homes in [1:44:37, 1:44:50]: And Griffin are a little bit older, a little bit more sketchy, right? Um, but we'll go with I'll go with whatever recommendation comes from the vote of the council as it released. We'll move it, or we keep it the same, or we do whatever the recommendation is from the council. [1:44:50, 1:44:55]: Um at the end, I mean I'm gonna say Reddit goes there. Obviously the relationship has been [1:44:56, 1:45:00]: melted with the police department and the resources they've been able to bring to bear the assist code. [1:45:00, 1:45:01]: Um [1:45:01, 1:45:04]: And making sure that you know we keep folks uh [1:45:05, 1:45:06]: Here, right? Um [1:45:07, 1:45:14]: And so we'll go with that recommendation. I think Chief wanna just give some numbers as it relates to what the activity has been. [1:45:15, 1:45:22]: And uh Councilman Alexander, I certainly understand your uh perspective, but I will say that the mission of the police department is not necessarily [1:45:22, 1:45:24]: Just to enforce the law. [1:45:24, 1:45:30]: Or to decrease crime. Our mission is to improve the quality of life of the residents of this city. [1:45:30, 1:45:37]: Uh, public safety's a quality of life issue, code enforcement's a quality of life issue. There's something known as broken windows theory when we don't address [1:45:37, 1:45:57]: blight in the community, it breeds crime conducive conditions. So being able to leverage code enforcement to address those crime conducive conditions, whether that be, you know, properties are not being maintained or something along those lines, we have the ability to direct those resources to address those issues without having to go through another division director to pull from [1:45:57, 1:46:00]: resources to address those issues that really [1:46:00, 1:46:07]: at at its core are community safety issues. We've been able to work with code enforcement to bring down some blighted businesses in the [1:46:07, 1:46:20]: um uh community. Uh we've made substantial uh impacts in a lot of the urban um camping issues that we've had. We've cleared out dozens of those encampments, improving the quality of life for our community. [1:46:20, 1:46:39]: Before when code enforcement was under community development, there were 753 violations uh during the entire course of the year. With the same number of people that we've had over that period of time, when we took it over in 2023, there were 1,635 violations. So that's 117% increase in proactivity. [1:46:39, 1:46:59]: Uh this past year in twenty twenty-four we went from sixteen hundred and thirty-five and twenty-three to two thousand two hundred and ninety-two violations in twenty twenty-four, which is a forty percent increase. So we've been making substantial improvements. We've made a considerable investment. The code enforcement officers have ballistic vests, they have body cameras, we've purchased vehicles. [1:46:59, 1:47:15]: Um of which would have to be re outfitted if they're no longer part of the police department. So you have unrealized cost as it relates to basically demerging them. And then we also have to contend with the fact of space allocation. Where are we gonna put them? They're gonna continue to be housed in the police department. Um [1:47:15, 1:47:35]: Yeah, I I and and quite honestly, we've just got to the point where we've been able to hire everybody uh that's in code enforcement now from the police department. So we have the right people, we've created the right culture. And it's just my recommendation. I think this is the wrong direction to go in. One of the things that we requested was a code enforcement manager because we understand that that unit needs [1:47:35, 1:47:55]: More oversight. It needs more experience with a professional. And we believe that a code enforcement manager will have more appeal to be able to attract the right type of candidate in, to provide that level of guidance and direction to move us forward. But I don't know that moving it to community development is necessarily going to solve the problem. We've had great success. [1:47:55, 1:48:06]: We've made a lot of progress and you know there are other implications that results in this decision and as the city manager indicated, it's not his recommendation. It's not my recommendation to move that either. [1:48:06, 1:48:26]: Thank you. Thanks, Chief, for your presentation. Mr. Gardner, come back to the mic for a second. I'm just trying to remember this. Uh there's a reason why we moved it originally out of community development. I can't remember what the reasoning was, but obviously it was there. We moved it to the police department. Now conversation about possibly moving it back. So can you recall why we actually moved it in the first place? I think it was [1:48:26, 1:48:45]: around effectiveness, correct me if I wrong, uh Councilmember Thomas and Councilmembers. Um I think that was part of the reason was we wanted to see it be a little bit more effective and and and what it was doing. Um correct me if I wrong sir. Um [1:48:47, 1:48:52]: I I think the problem with code enforcement and all all due respect to the chief [1:48:53, 1:48:58]: And I I've I've been dealing with this subject for a few years now and [1:49:01, 1:49:02]: The reason [1:49:03, 1:49:05]: To answer your question, uh Mr. Gardner. [1:49:06, 1:49:14]: The reason it would move then was because there was no focus on code enforcement. [1:49:15, 1:49:35]: And I think the reason now, it may be for the same reason. But I would say that council, you know, we have to sort of dig a little deeper into the issue of code enforcement and give that department the tools that it really needs. [1:49:35, 1:49:44]: to do the job. And I and I think that's really been the problem. And and again, and the chief, and you know you and I have gone around and around and around. [1:49:44, 1:49:50]: That city manager, you know you and I have gone round and around and around about some issues. [1:49:50, 1:49:55]: And and my recommendation would be to move it to community uh development as well. [1:49:55, 1:49:57]: But not only moving it. [1:49:58, 1:49:58]: But [1:50:00, 1:50:04]: Putting in the policies and the procedures and the tools. [1:50:04, 1:50:11]: that code enforcement need to do the job. And I think that's what was lacking the first time. [1:50:11, 1:50:14]: But I just be honest, I just don't think the focus [1:50:15, 1:50:23]: in the de police department. I just don't think the focus is there. Now I would I would love to be wrong on that for sure because [1:50:23, 1:50:24]: At the end of the day. [1:50:25, 1:50:26]: We just won't [1:50:27, 1:50:34]: code enforcement to be active and just doing its job. We just want everybody just to do their job. [1:50:34, 1:50:44]: And I don't care if you're in this building, if you're in code enforcement, if you're in public safety, if you're hired by the city of Stockbridge, we just want everybody to do their job. [1:50:45, 1:50:47]: And and and that's the bottom line for me. [1:50:47, 1:50:54]: But my recommendation as well is to uh code uh move code enforcement under community development. [1:50:54, 1:50:55]: But [1:50:56, 1:50:57]: To give them [1:50:58, 1:50:59]: The two [1:50:59, 1:51:18]: uh give them the manager, give them some tools, work with them and support that, support them so they can do their job. I just don't think that uh those workers uh in code enforcement has gotten the support that they really need. Now I mean talk is good. [1:51:18, 1:51:22]: For me, I have to see it every day. I don't see it. [1:51:23, 1:51:27]: You can put anything on paper, you can come up here and do all the kind of talking. [1:51:27, 1:51:31]: But every day I need to see it happen and I don't see it. [1:51:33, 1:51:36]: Mr. Anderson, uh Mr. Anderson, could you come uh to mic please? [1:51:42, 1:52:00]: You're now the current director of community development. You were s uh in the uh in a section in the time that the code of force was there and we switched it. What what do you perceive back in that time frame? Why it was your personal opinion, why it was switched at that time and and how if it s switches back, how you'd be able to handle everything just comes to back to your way. [1:52:00, 1:52:20]: Well, during that time, uh, Mayor Ford, I had recently arrived. I mean, just recently got hired. So I didn't have a long tenure with uh code enforcement. But I think there was some turnover in the supervisor. We had a pretty good supervisor at first, but uh her name, I think her name was Lenore. Okay and she was doing community sweeps on a monthly basis throughout. [1:52:20, 1:52:20]: [6741.8, 6745.0]: Throughout her tenure, uh she was going to different shopping plazas. [1:52:25, 1:52:27]: Doing what she had what she called a sweep. [1:52:27, 1:52:31]: And that was very helpful, but after she left, that kind of fell off. [1:52:31, 1:52:38]: So but I'm not I'm not sure exactly why I was moved. I wouldn't involve I wouldn't involve in those discussions. [1:52:38, 1:52:56]: And of course if the decisions are bring'em back to you, you're now you now run the shop. So how you found how you deal with that? What what's on your mind? And uh and how do you plan to deal with this? Well, I will do whatever is requested of me by counseling and city manager. Um but one thing I do, I don't run bad operations, so [1:52:57, 1:53:06]: If it comes back it it will be effective and efficient and productive. So but I'll do whatever's requested and whatever the city manager wants me to do. [1:53:07, 1:53:27]: All right, sir. Appreciate it. Any other questions? Yep. You good down here? You one second. Go ahead, Mr. Barrett. I got a hypothetical. If if code enforcement is moved, why why or how would the support of PD look different if it's no longer underneath the police department, considering that this is [1:53:27, 1:53:31]: Still the city of Stockbridge as a whole. [1:53:31, 1:53:40]: I think one of the reasons was given that the support would be there if they remain, but shouldn't that same support be there regardless of what department it falls under? [1:53:46, 1:54:02]: No, the the s the support would be there. There's certain things logistically you can understand to have a police radio and be able to run data, they have to be G CI certified. That falls under the umbrella of the police department. We would have to remove that. Um the vehicles are branded as police, they would have to be rebranded. [1:54:03, 1:54:06]: So there's some things logistically that you would have to work out in terms of support [1:54:07, 1:54:17]: Uh if they call us, we'll be there. But there's some things that we would have to reabsorb that um are are police department centric that code enforcement wouldn't have as uh i as an avenue. [1:54:17, 1:54:33]: But should their vehicles be branded as police? I'm sorry? Should their vehicles be branded as police? Well they're not branded as police. I mean it's part of the overall um if you look at the vehicle, if you've seen the code enforcement vehicles, they're striped and they have a Stockbridge police symbol on there. So those things are gonna have to be [1:54:33, 1:54:40]: uh restriped uh to reflect the city branding instead of the police department branding. [1:54:41, 1:54:43]: I I will say that that [1:54:44, 1:54:54]: In my experience, when you see code enforcement and code enforcement works out out of the police department with a vehicle, it's similar, even though it doesn't carry some of the same equipment. [1:54:54, 1:54:57]: There's a little bit more there's a little bit more behind it. [1:54:57, 1:55:12]: When when you talk when a resident is dealing with code enforcement from that standpoint versus just showing up in a regular city vehicle with code enforcement written on it. Um, in my experience I've seen a difference in the response from folks who are cited [1:55:13, 1:55:33]: versus the other side. It's a little bit more confrontational when they're dealing with the regular code folk than when they're dealing with the folk in the police department because they typically understand that the conversation ain't gonna be long and if it gets too far they're going to jail. Right? Uh but but they can't they can't affect an arrest. A code enforcement officer can't affect an arrest regardless. But it's [1:55:33, 1:55:40]: the perception of I see 911 written on that vehicle. I see the stripe as similar to a police vehicle. [1:55:41, 1:56:01]: The way people enter occupy my feedback has been I'm I'm gonna say my feedback has been different from some of the people that I've talked to within my district. There there is a lack of a lack of respect for all of our code enforcement officers, period. And that's my biggest concern um with the department because all [1:56:01, 1:56:07]: the feedback that I'm getting from from from my representation is that um [1:56:11, 1:56:19]: They're they're they're just not being given the same support as what they would expect to get. [1:56:20, 1:56:25]: Or the follow up is not there or the k the the carryover. [1:56:26, 1:56:28]: From the citation to the [1:56:29, 1:56:30]: Corrective action. [1:56:31, 1:56:32]: Is what's missing. [1:56:33, 1:56:36]: And I've I've I've gotten that on multiple [1:56:37, 1:56:38]: Occasions. [1:56:39, 1:56:58]: You talking about they're not responsive in terms of issuing citations. Not just responsive, but just the management of the of the entire process. The management of the complaint, the management of the citation, the management of the follow-through, the management if there's a warning given and and the corrective like the follow-up of the corrective action of the thing that's being reported. [1:56:59, 1:57:02]: or called in and just the [1:57:03, 1:57:10]: Desire of the code enforcement team and management to make sure that the code is being enforced. [1:57:11, 1:57:16]: Well well, I will say this that we've recently uh the former code enforcement supervisor [1:57:17, 1:57:17]: Yeah. [1:57:17, 1:57:31]: One of the things we've been working towards is putting everybody on a s the same system so that we're able to track. Right now code enforcement's on a disparate system from the police department as it relates to tracking violations and things along those lines. We've been working hard and we've developed solutions [1:57:32, 1:57:37]: that we're in the process of implementing to get all that on the same sheet of music so that we're able to go in and just like [1:57:38, 1:57:43]: If somebody wants to know how much enforcement or what's the action that an officer had taken, we can go into our system and look. [1:57:43, 1:57:47]: To make sure that code enforcement's on a similar system or on the same system rather, so they were able to go back [1:57:48, 1:57:51]: And track those things. Historically, the previous code enforcement supervisor [1:57:52, 1:58:12]: And the way the system was set up was maintaining a lot of things on Excel sheets, which obviously is antiquated. It's difficult to follow through on. Some things are done via C click fix. And so we're in the process of really looking at the systems and getting everybody on the same system so that citizens are able to track those things. As it relates to enforcement, I mean you can say what you want regarding [1:58:11, 1:58:19]: oversight, but the enforcement activity with the same number of people, I can give you the data. It's increased substantially over the years. And so to say that [1:58:19, 1:58:24]: it's not effective or we're not going out there and doing those things I think is a misrepresentation. It may be perceptual that we're not [1:58:25, 1:58:39]: out there or is involved, but the reality is the numbers speak for themselves and we can go back and we can pull all that data and provide that to show that there has been an impact, there has been an increase. Um is there opportunity to improve? Absolutely, but you have to contend with the fact that everybody we have on that team [1:58:40, 1:58:51]: The the most the most tenured person who's been there, I think has been there seven months. So it it's a process. It's trying to get things gelling and just because something's not working now, I would just ask you give us the ability [1:58:51, 1:59:11]: To get somebody good on board, to look at it, if it's not working and you all are not happy with what it's doing mid year, let's reevaluate it. But I think it's really gonna be it's it it's gonna be that we've we spent a lot molding those cultures together and then to pull those things out. I don't think it's gonna be good for our officers or our code enforcement. So when you when you I I [1:59:11, 1:59:28]: I hear exactly what you're saying and I don't I don't think the complaint is that I think and it is anecdotal. Most of the things that people are saying is anecdotal. It's not about whether or not, you know, people are showing up or or or whatever. It's it's about how they feel on the response. Cause you know, uh [1:59:28, 1:59:47]: perception is reality, you know, w with a lot of times with what we deal with versus what you deal with is is the complaint. And when we deal with that complaint, we we we have to be able to articulate to them that there will be a resolution to it. And so I guess my question to you is projecting out [1:59:48, 1:59:50]: How would you handle that? [1:59:51, 1:59:54]: And what type of supports do you need? [1:59:54, 2:00:05]: to change or effectively migrate that into a response to where is it software based, is it training based? Do you need more people to do it? Like [2:00:05, 2:00:11]: I hear what you're saying, keeping it there is your recommendation, but what else is needed to make it [2:00:13, 2:00:13]: Better. [2:00:15, 2:00:18]: I I'll speak a little bit and then I'm gonna let Chief do it. [2:00:18, 2:00:19]: Um [2:00:20, 2:00:21]: Keep measuring out of order. [2:00:23, 2:00:25]: Go go ahead, Ms. M Mrner. [2:00:26, 2:00:27]: Goldwich comments. [2:00:31, 2:00:33]: No more. [2:00:34, 2:00:35]: So so [2:00:36, 2:00:43]: I think that in a city of this size, the way that we're growing, you need more code enforcement officers. The goal would be to have one code enforcement officer per council district. [2:00:44, 2:00:52]: When we have a full complement of team, then we can be more proactive in that regard. One of the things that we're working towards in in code enforcement was part of this just the same with the police department. [2:00:53, 2:01:13]: Is a service for next year for our police and our code enforcement called Power Engage. Once the citizen makes a complaint, they get a text message. It lets them know what the code enforcement officer it is, it gives them a case number to be able to follow up on. And we can track those things and we can monitor community feedback and satisfaction. I have Assistant Chief Godfrey up here because he can speak more specifically. [2:01:12, 2:01:23]: because he's our technology guy about the systems and platforms we're using to make sure that we're able to get code enforcement on the same system so that we're able to go back and track and monitor those things and look at [2:01:23, 2:01:30]: the uh the the uh the complaints and the resolution of those complaints in a uh more holistic fashion. Can you [2:01:33, 2:01:41]: Sometimes I think I'm getting old. Oh might just kick off and on. Well the one thing I was gonna say is um [2:01:43, 2:01:48]: Frederick. Um I know you mentioned about the perception. [2:01:48, 2:02:03]: And I think one of the things um we have to do is educating folks about how code operates. And I know Chief has the citizens government, I mean the police academy and whatever, and that rotates folks out, but [2:02:03, 2:02:05]: I'll give you an example. [2:02:05, 2:02:07]: If you're dealing with a property [2:02:08, 2:02:22]: Right? It's a lot difficult in the time to do a vacant property, you gotta track down who the actual owner is and it ain't always the person that shows up on the tax record that actually owned it because folks flip properties. [2:02:22, 2:02:24]: Right, and it's not captured. [2:02:25, 2:02:28]: So that side of it is a little long. [2:02:28, 2:02:37]: little bit more legwork getting it done in the sort of response between when the code officer shows up and when something effectuates through a citation, it's a little longer. [2:02:38, 2:02:41]: If you're dealing with a grass issue or a litter issue. [2:02:41, 2:02:42]: Right. [2:02:43, 2:02:46]: The typical, typical thing and the first thing they teach you in gaze. [2:02:46, 2:03:05]: Is that that is a violation and the first thing you have to do is warn them of the violation and give them the opportunity to correct the violation. Because if you issue a citation, the likelihood is you're gonna get tossed out of court. Because they never had a com an opportunity to comply. That's called due process. [2:03:05, 2:03:19]: Right. And so if you get an habitual person that keeps doing it, yes, because now you have a pattern of behavior you can actually cite that person. And I'm only stating what was teached in class. [2:03:20, 2:03:30]: Period. If it that's they go to GACE who's taught through GMA and and through the coda lines, that's what they teach these folks. So that they don't walk into court and get themselves in trouble. [2:03:31, 2:03:39]: Right. So it takes a dot you see five to seven days to comply, don't comply citation issue. [2:03:39, 2:03:43]: Right, if that person comes back and repeats that cycle again. [2:03:43, 2:03:51]: they are now allowed to because they have a history on that property to just go ahead and isn't because they're habitual. And we have one of those people. [2:03:51, 2:03:52]: Live right off a turning point. [2:03:53, 2:03:57]: Right, did I get a call from Mr. Sprayberry every other week? [2:03:57, 2:04:01]: And I have to keep reminding him, Mr. Springbury, they're already in court. [2:04:02, 2:04:03]: And we could cite them every day. [2:04:05, 2:04:19]: Right, for a violation, but at the end the judge is gonna look and say it's the same site, same issue. Are you I know you're citing them every day, but that's just the way the perception sometimes is there's nothing happening because depending on what it is, there's a lifetime between when [2:04:19, 2:04:30]: the person actually have to respond over when we could get some response based on what it is. I just wanted to just make sure I just wanted to say that. But all in all I I'm I'm hearing what you guys are saying and I think part of what [2:04:31, 2:04:33]: So I'll say what I didn't in Griffin. [2:04:34, 2:04:36]: I got with a newspaper. [2:04:37, 2:04:38]: I told him [2:04:38, 2:04:39]: To run articles. [2:04:40, 2:04:42]: on code enforcement and what we're gonna be doing. [2:04:42, 2:04:43]: Ahead of time. [2:04:44, 2:04:48]: Ай, а гев дати май сити менеджер who is a former police chief. [2:04:49, 2:05:09]: And I said, hey, this is what I'm doing. I'm going to the local Griffin Daily News. I'm gonna put an article about the fact that we're gonna go after businesses that put signs in their front windows, especially gas stations. Because guess what? That's not only city law, that's actually state law, if I'm not mistaken. And the reason why they can't put signs all around the window, if I'm [2:05:09, 2:05:10]: Robin and who's gonna see him? [2:05:11, 2:05:12]: Who wants to be walking on? [2:05:13, 2:05:25]: So they can't. So that's the first thing we did. So we put a lot of notification out to folks about what we coming and what we're gonna do. Right? And I think these guys can speak to it. The other side of that is what I did, if we go down the street. [2:05:27, 2:05:33]: If I go down Merryweather Street, code enforcement go, you park that car and you walk every violation right on through. [2:05:34, 2:05:35]: So everybody gets it. [2:05:36, 2:05:36]: Right. [2:05:37, 2:05:42]: And I will tell you that at one point I had to code enforcement of commission county city commissioner. [2:05:43, 2:05:45]: Alright, because he was in violation. [2:05:46, 2:05:48]: He was in mad with me, he wasn't mad with us, he got it. [2:05:49, 2:05:49]: I mean [2:05:50, 2:05:51]: But it's okay. [2:05:51, 2:05:52]: Right? Um [2:05:53, 2:05:54]: But that's I just wanted to [2:05:55, 2:05:58]: To answer that because sometimes people and the other side I must say too is [2:05:58, 2:06:00]: As much as you guys can. [2:06:00, 2:06:03]: I know some of you have it on your on your emails. [2:06:05, 2:06:06]: C click fix. [2:06:07, 2:06:08]: Right. [2:06:08, 2:06:12]: Um we're still at about ten or nine thousand users. [2:06:13, 2:06:15]: We should be up to at least [2:06:16, 2:06:17]: twenty. [2:06:18, 2:06:38]: Right. Um and what that does, it actually it does some of the data collection for for the police department. There's a front side and a backside to cut to cle C click fix, but it allows us to then be able to determine and get better feedback on if you put a response in, what was the lag time? So for us when we [2:06:38, 2:06:41]: utilized it in the two cities I utilized it in. [2:06:41, 2:06:43]: The first thing we did was [2:06:44, 2:06:47]: Anytime we got a violation that response should be [2:06:48, 2:06:49]: The same day. [2:06:49, 2:06:58]: Acknowledgement of it should be the same day. One, and we could always go back into the system and see how we're tracking, making the putting those metrics in place. [2:06:58, 2:07:15]: Right, to be able to say, hey, we see some things going on, right? We're able to say, hey, this is where we have lag issues and it's always been with those properties that were vacant and we had to chase down folks. The time to get back to those folks is a little bit longer, but we could quantify that. [2:07:15, 2:07:19]: and the reasons why. So as you go around, encourage folks to to [2:07:19, 2:07:26]: pulled this tool down because it it really and truly holds us accountable because it's out there so we have to address it. [2:07:26, 2:07:32]: And that's the way we used it in my former job. I assume that we these guys probably use it the same way, but we [2:07:33, 2:07:36]: Every neighborhood meeting that I went to in the city of East Point. [2:07:37, 2:07:37]: Everyone. [2:07:38, 2:07:43]: Whether it was Egan Park, Jefferson Park, Cloniel Park, every single neighbor we went to. [2:07:44, 2:07:46]: The first thing I did was I picked up my cell phone. [2:07:46, 2:07:49]: And I ask everybody in the room to download the city's app. [2:07:51, 2:07:51]: Every single time. [2:07:52, 2:07:55]: And mind you, I did have some folks who had flip phones, and the first thing I would tell them [2:07:56, 2:08:00]: Get your grandkids or your kids to get you one of these. [2:08:00, 2:08:02]: Because I can't talk to you if you're still with a flip phone. [2:08:04, 2:08:05]: Right. Um [2:08:06, 2:08:08]: Use the technology'cause the technology helps it makes it easy. [2:08:10, 2:08:16]: Mayor Four. Stand by one, please. Uh assistant chief, I believe you wanted to add something about the technology aspect. [2:08:17, 2:08:19]: Good evening. [2:08:19, 2:08:35]: So at the end of the day, this is not a community development problem or a police department problem. This is the city of Stockbridge problem. And when you look at that, the objective is the objective to issue a fine or is the the objective to bring the violation into compliance? [2:08:36, 2:08:45]: To bring the violation into compliance. So when code enforcement came up over to us, and then through all of last year, they were using Microsoft Excel. [2:08:47, 2:08:53]: So historically there are a lot of tools that you can use for Microsoft Excel if you know how to do formulas. [2:08:53, 2:09:13]: But the problem is that that does not integrate with any modern-day systems. So we have been exploring different technologies through Sage, through Civic Plus. The city utilizes several aspects, several modules through Civic Plus. C click fixes through Civic Plus. But the city does not utilize and capital. [2:09:13, 2:09:16]: capitalize on the technology that it's currently using. [2:09:17, 2:09:23]: One of the the systems that we're currently using is our records management system, even that system itself, because we had to piggyback. [2:09:24, 2:09:26]: off of Henry County when Murphy came on board. [2:09:26, 2:09:29]: Is antiquated as it pertains to code enforcement. [2:09:30, 2:09:40]: So th throughout this this entire year, we've been exploring different records management systems in the cloud-based or AWS for the tech people out here. [2:09:41, 2:09:45]: Um and looking at to see whether or not that can incorporate [2:09:45, 2:09:46]: The [2:09:46, 2:09:49]: Daily operational needs of code enforcement. [2:09:50, 2:10:04]: And it does. That would it's gonna require us to upgrade our system, but that will incorporate our code enforcement so that the report management system is universal through police and through code enforcement. [2:10:04, 2:10:13]: The program that the chief was talking about through Power Engage, because we're already using Power DMS for our state and assumed to be Calia accreditation. [2:10:14, 2:10:18]: Ікорating that component so that when the call comes out. [2:10:20, 2:10:25]: Within five minutes, your citizen is receiving a notification that your case has been received and [2:10:25, 2:10:30]: When a case number has been issued, the citizen will receive their case number. [2:10:30, 2:10:35]: when the status of that case changes based on a notice of violation. [2:10:35, 2:10:41]: A citation, a court date, all of that information is pushed to the citizen automatically. [2:10:41, 2:10:46]: So it's integrating the various technologies available today and tomorrow. [2:10:46, 2:11:00]: to enhance the capabilities of all of our departments in the city of Stockbridge. Because the days of printing out reports, the days of PDFs, the days of of waiting until you come to a meeting. [2:11:01, 2:11:07]: to hear an update on your subdivision or your your violation needs to go by the wayside. [2:11:07, 2:11:15]: But we have to put the resources in place in order to deal with this. And again, whether it's under the police or another department. [2:11:16, 2:11:20]: You have to put together the resources, and yes, that requires money. [2:11:20, 2:11:24]: To add those additional people, to add the additional needed. [2:11:24, 2:11:30]: very much needed software to allow them to do their jobs at the fullest capability. [2:11:32, 2:11:43]: Well thank you for that decision chief. Um Miss Gad, you had a question earlier. Well one, I I th I saw our treasurer come up, I didn't know if he had a comment in regards to that. Did you have a comment? And two [2:11:44, 2:11:50]: I'm sh I'm shocked that we're using Excel spreadsheet for code enforcement. Um [2:11:50, 2:11:52]: That would be very shocking to me. [2:11:52, 2:12:02]: Um it is is extremely shopping shocking because it's ant definitely antiquated and you and it lacks the ability to communicate. [2:12:02, 2:12:05]: Um with our license and permitting [2:12:05, 2:12:06]: Right? [2:12:06, 2:12:23]: Um meaning there's technology here. I don't know if we use Tyler technologies or not for um our business that we we do, but there's software that is in addition to that, that reads, that is able for our our that software we're [2:12:24, 2:12:44]: The code enforcement officer can read who has got a permit. Is this does this address have a permit? Okay, we cited them on this date. Their 30-day notice, a tickler. Their 30-day notice is up, or they seven-day notices up, and that grass wasn't cut. So here's that citation, and it keeps everything in a [2:12:44, 2:12:53]: historical i all in one, right? And it reads from one department to the next. That's number one. Number two, I think that the um [2:12:54, 2:13:14]: um that Chief Tramer made a a really valid point, you guys, in regards to the fact of how young or how experienced or or the the amount of experience one of the the oldest person on the police office uh on the code enforcement has been [2:13:14, 2:13:34]: Here for seven months. You're talking about learning codes. You're talking about learning processes. You're talking about learning a department. You're turn you're talking about learning a procedure. And I am I am concerned about us flipping that, so to speak. [2:13:34, 2:13:54]: fairly quickly because we're not really pleased with the outcome. I'm I'm very much so interested in hearing some of the I haven't heard those same complaints in my district to that to that extent. But and Chief I I do disagree that we need a code enforcement [2:13:54, 2:14:00]: Officer for each district because I'm looking at it based off of the mileage and the parameter in s itself. [2:14:00, 2:14:09]: But in regards to where it goes, police officers enforce the law. The code is the law. It's our law. It's our ordinances. [2:14:11, 2:14:29]: Again, the code is a law too. It's our law. It's our ordinances. It's our noise violation ordinances. When I was a solicitor, I would change sometimes a state code to a code ordinance violation. That money stays in the city and it's not split with the state. [2:14:30, 2:14:40]: It's not split for other fees if it fits within that category. There are certain things and there are certain things that we really need to take into consideration. [2:14:41, 2:14:44]: I'm more so looking at the length of time. [2:14:44, 2:14:45]: Didn't anything. [2:14:46, 2:14:47]: Um [2:14:47, 2:15:07]: At some point, I was really for code enforcement standing alone. We've had so many problems with court. Clearly, we've had some issues because we've moved it from one place to the next to this and this, and it's always a subject, it's always an issue. And when it follows, I don't want us to pinpoint quiet departments that had don't have any complaints. Not only that, I let [2:15:07, 2:15:27]: Looked at the numbers. If you look at the numbers of the data that was presented to us based off of Chief Tramer from 700 violations to 1100 or whatever that number is, there's an increase in tickets based off of violations, which means we have more. [2:15:27, 2:15:47]: eyes, more ability for um a police officer who has a vehicle, same very similar to that code enforcement officer who can radio them and he says, Hey, and by the way, we got this code violation. I need you to write this as well, right? And it can go hand in hand. I don't know if it can cross over or not, but [2:15:47, 2:15:58]: I know that police officers can write codes. I mean I can change it into a code as a solicitor I can. So I, you know, uh of state code violation I've been able to change into codes. [2:15:59, 2:16:19]: I think that some of those things may go hand in hand. I'm not saying it can't be done in the community development. I'm saying when I look and hear the arguments that have been made or the points that have been made, the length of time has not been given. I don't know all the processes and I [2:16:19, 2:16:39]: I don't know all the codes. I don't. I also don't know all the scenarios to the complaints. One of the complaints I've heard if it's one of the previous is possibly um a trailer or tractor trailer or cars being parked out on side of the road and they're renting those cars out or they're selling those cars out and then [2:16:39, 2:16:59]: Then you talk about what's the time length of when were those cars removed and if it was a period of time that they weren't there and then all of a sudden they come back, you know, you give them a notice, they fix it, and then months later, does it toll? Does it, you know, are you able to write a citation after they haven't done it in two or three months? And so I just there's a bunch of questions there. [2:16:59, 2:17:07]: Have there knowing whether or not it was resolved and then it happens again. But uh and so [2:17:08, 2:17:28]: I don't want to sound like I'm rambling, but I do I do have some concerns about switching um the code enforcement at this time due to what we have had as seven months as the per the oldest the person who's been here has [2:17:27, 2:17:47]: Has been here for seven months and we're talking about codes and their ability, not saying that that they wouldn't work together, but that they are pretty much within somewhat of the same department. And so I I do take that into consideration. I do, I would prefer to hear some of the complaints. [2:17:47, 2:18:02]: And whether or not those issues were resolved or it should it be something that I'm extremely I should be extremely alert or concerned about. But I don't [2:18:04, 2:18:24]: I don't know how to put this. I I think that we're what we're saying is we wanna see it improved. I think that's across the board. Everybody would like to see it improved. But if the numbers are saying that it actually improved in a department, why would I take it back down to a department that it had less numbers in? Even though it wasn't [2:18:24, 2:18:33]: [8314.2, 8316.3]: But I'm I'm a numbers person. [2:18:38, 2:18:39]: If it improved. [2:18:40, 2:18:48]: And we're talking about enforcing regulations on laws, whether it's our code law or the legal law. [2:18:49, 2:18:53]: then you know, do we give it a shot and see if it's gonna work and [2:18:53, 2:18:59]: There's another thing, a last thing I want to talk about, and I talked about it one time before Mr. Gardner. [2:18:59, 2:19:01]: We often times [2:19:02, 2:19:15]: Fuss about why things weren't done a specific way. I've heard this several times. Oh we need a fence. You better we need a fence. These homeless people are coming over here and they're putting this we need to put that fence up. [2:19:15, 2:19:35]: Well, there are laws. We don't have a right to put a fence on a private property. We gotta meet and find the owner. We look them up and they're ABC 123 LLC. Who's the owner of that ABC 123 LLC? Then we look and we have to find an agent. Then we find the agent, but we still have to find the owner. So there is, there are processes that can be complicated. We learned that. [2:19:35, 2:19:38]: that when we tried to do a C I D. [2:19:39, 2:19:59]: It's hard when you're trying to find the owner sometimes. So what happens with that is, and the why why I brought that up is again, I want us to meet with our planning and zoning attorney who can stipulate and actually narrow down some of these codes and clean up some of this stuff so that [2:19:59, 2:20:07]: That we wouldn't have a road project that took eight months or a year to do, or a house that took three years to get built. [2:20:07, 2:20:10]: Right? Or an a whole tail. [2:20:10, 2:20:15]: That has taken forever to get built. We can write codes. [2:20:16, 2:20:20]: That's our responsibility, Mayor Council, to approve and have someone do that. [2:20:21, 2:20:23]: Акші фіксєс проблем. [2:20:24, 2:20:28]: That code enforcement can't fix because the law isn't written that way. [2:20:29, 2:20:33]: We spent two years talking about parking on the street. We still don't have a solution. [2:20:35, 2:20:39]: So I say that to say it's not about [2:20:40, 2:20:45]: The code enforcement necessarily we have to take accountability too by putting the together [2:20:46, 2:20:50]: The right laws and rules and codes in order for them to be enforced. [2:20:53, 2:21:13]: And that's it. That's all I have to say on it. And I hope you understand what I'm saying. I just don't feel that it's I I've I made a vow that I was gonna go by doing things right. And I am dissecting every single thing. When I hear it, if it makes sense, I'm gonna do what's right. [2:21:13, 2:21:33]: Or I'm gonna do based off of not, oh, it's not working. I didn't like the way this happened or turned out, not saying that that happened this time, but I also have to be reasonable too. And so I want to at least give the police department that chance to make sure that we make [2:21:33, 2:21:35]: Make it right. That's all. [2:21:36, 2:21:38]: Mr. Thomas, go ahead please. Thank you. [2:21:41, 2:21:43]: Let me just start out by saying [2:21:44, 2:21:52]: I have been dealing with code enforcement issues pretty much my full tenure on the council. [2:21:53, 2:21:55]: And the chief knows since he'd been here. [2:21:56, 2:22:04]: I've been in his ear and complaining almost every day, ever since Mr. Gardner been here. So I'm just saying to this counselor. [2:22:05, 2:22:13]: This is not new to me. I I've been in these trenches dealing with this. Y'all perspective on it may be a little different from mine. [2:22:14, 2:22:20]: I've researched. I have all of the codes. I've studied. I know the codes. [2:22:21, 2:22:23]: Every city in Henry County. [2:22:24, 2:22:26]: Code enforcement is under community development. [2:22:27, 2:22:29]: That's just one aspect. [2:22:30, 2:22:32]: And Mr. Gardner knows this. [2:22:33, 2:22:35]: There's one issue right now. [2:22:37, 2:22:38]: In Stockbridge. [2:22:39, 2:22:40]: Did I've been [2:22:41, 2:22:45]: Beating him up every day for the how many years you been here? [2:22:45, 2:22:49]: Almost three. How many? Almost three. Two years. Okay. [2:22:49, 2:22:51]: Every day. [2:22:53, 2:22:55]: And nothing has changed. [2:22:57, 2:23:07]: Well, I mean uh you gave me an update, but I'm just saying the house is still standing. I'm about results. Yes sir. I honest I know due process. Yes sir. [2:23:08, 2:23:17]: I was here to how the property that Ward Don purchased. I was here when we went through that process and went through the courts. [2:23:17, 2:23:20]: Located the owner out of state. [2:23:21, 2:23:22]: Brought him into court. [2:23:23, 2:23:31]: Patted his hand. He decided that he didn't want the property. He deeded the property to the city. So I'm just saying, I've been in these trenches. [2:23:31, 2:23:32]: Listen. [2:23:32, 2:23:42]: The city is not made up of subdivisions where you have a HOA to deal with issues. The city is more than that. [2:23:43, 2:23:44]: When we look [2:23:45, 2:23:50]: When I get the complaints from these businesses and they looking across and they see a pop up [2:23:51, 2:23:52]: Trail of selling. [2:23:53, 2:23:55]: I shouldn't have to run to anybody. [2:23:55, 2:23:57]: To to say this? [2:24:00, 2:24:13]: We c I have to go and listen, I I know code enforcement, these these officers. I don't have no problem with them. I see them on the street and I stop and we chat. So I don't wanna throw any dirt on them. [2:24:14, 2:24:17]: I think this is the support. [2:24:17, 2:24:19]: That they do not have. [2:24:20, 2:24:23]: We get emails, all of these councils know we get emails. [2:24:23, 2:24:25]: From people [2:24:26, 2:24:37]: I'm just saying, I don't listen, like I said before, we can come up here and we can talk and we can sugarcoat it all day long. [2:24:37, 2:24:42]: I look at the results and when I see something that's continuously going [2:24:43, 2:24:46]: Over and over and over en over. [2:24:47, 2:25:00]: And nothing is happening. That's the problem that I have. And the chief knows this. He and I talk. I don't copy this counsel on my communication when I speak to the chief, when I speak to Mr. Gardner. We one on one. [2:25:01, 2:25:03]: And they know my frustration. [2:25:03, 2:25:10]: And the things that I point out are real. And they've been standing for years and nothing has happened. [2:25:11, 2:25:18]: These businesses that come up and pop up at these service station and sell food and you got a business across the street that's complaining. [2:25:18, 2:25:21]: It happens every weekend for years. [2:25:24, 2:25:26]: So I'm just saying. [2:25:26, 2:25:35]: We as council members, we don't have to want to write you all down and say, well, this is going on, this is going on, this is going on. We just want folk to do their job. [2:25:36, 2:25:37]: That is why [2:25:38, 2:25:40]: I'm in favor of making a move. [2:25:40, 2:25:41]: Listen. [2:25:42, 2:25:43]: Police department [2:25:43, 2:25:44]: Can [2:25:45, 2:25:50]: Patrol and and even I have some issue with that, but that's a whole different subject, a whole different day. [2:25:51, 2:25:52]: But I'm just saying. [2:25:54, 2:26:07]: If we're going to deal with code enforcement and like I say, no throwing no dirt on my council members, but I talk this every day to the chief, to Mr. Garner. Every day. [2:26:08, 2:26:10]: about code enforcement issues. [2:26:11, 2:26:12]: What is not happening? [2:26:13, 2:26:26]: The only reason some of these things are happening, because I'm complaining every day. That's why I some movement. Mr. Gardner give me some update. But look, Mr. Gardner, but look at how I just beat you down. [2:26:27, 2:26:31]: Just to get whatever results that I get. I don't need to do that. [2:26:32, 2:26:34]: You that's not your job either. [2:26:35, 2:26:40]: Folks code enforcement just need to be out in the street just doing what they do. [2:26:41, 2:26:54]: I'm just disappointed because I I see the issues and nothing is being happened about those issues. I'm not hearing all of this talk about this and about that, the sugar coating. [2:26:55, 2:26:56]: I'm about the results. [2:26:58, 2:27:00]: And I don't see the results. [2:27:01, 2:27:03]: The citizens [2:27:03, 2:27:04]: That elect us. [2:27:05, 2:27:07]: They want to see results from us and [2:27:08, 2:27:11]: Mr. Garden, you are not elected a official? [2:27:11, 2:27:13]: Chief Chairman, you are not elected official. [2:27:14, 2:27:17]: But we are. We take a beating out here. [2:27:19, 2:27:24]: We take a beating every day. Some of it warrant it and some of it is not. [2:27:24, 2:27:29]: But I have tough skin. It d it doesn't bother me. It comes with the territory. [2:27:31, 2:27:35]: It comes with the territory. But when it comes to code enforcement. [2:27:36, 2:27:38]: And I'm not talking about grass cutting. [2:27:39, 2:27:46]: If your grass need cut and you go out and say, hey, owner, you need to cut the grass, they come back next week and cut the grass. I'm not talking about things like that. [2:27:48, 2:28:01]: But there's a an abandoned house that's a nuisance. I've studied nuisance and abatement. But there's a house that's a nuisance that's been there for four years and the house is still standing. [2:28:02, 2:28:09]: That's the problem that I have. A house that was burnt out three years ago, and that house is still standing. [2:28:09, 2:28:13]: And I understand due process, but does it take four years? [2:28:16, 2:28:18]: To get this house torn down. [2:28:19, 2:28:22]: And see, just like the house that War Dunn purchased. [2:28:23, 2:28:27]: We brought this guy into court, he came out and he decided what? [2:28:28, 2:28:38]: He did not want to go through the changes of tearing the house down. He deeded it over. That was as best the the city went ahead and did the car. It was a dumping ground. [2:28:40, 2:28:44]: It was a dumping ground and folk were dumping, dumping, dumping. [2:28:44, 2:28:50]: And I'm coming back to the city. We got to do something. We got to do but nothing happened. [2:28:53, 2:28:56]: Davis and Parway, the encampment. [2:28:58, 2:29:05]: Look what I had to do to get that resolve. I should not have been in that lane trying to get that resolve. [2:29:07, 2:29:09]: I had to stay [2:29:10, 2:29:13]: On staff every day to get that done. [2:29:14, 2:29:17]: But if fine that should not be my role. [2:29:19, 2:29:24]: That should have been caught years in advance, but it was not. [2:29:25, 2:29:27]: If you ask the question why? [2:29:27, 2:29:31]: I'm not gonna throw that dirt on anyone to say why? [2:29:32, 2:29:34]: But it's about the results. [2:29:34, 2:29:35]: So [2:29:36, 2:29:46]: Listen, and I don't want to just beat up anybody, but listen, you can come up here and talk about all it is that you wanna talk about. It's not gonna faze me. [2:29:47, 2:29:52]: But if there's a house in the community that's a nuisance and that house is down [2:29:52, 2:29:53]: That's what moves me. [2:29:56, 2:29:57]: That's what moves me. [2:29:58, 2:30:00]: If I see a business [2:30:00, 2:30:06]: that's complaining about there's someone in a pop-up trailer taking his business. [2:30:06, 2:30:10]: Every weekend, every weekend. [2:30:11, 2:30:19]: There's one location that I know this council, they see it all the time. Every weekend, there's a trailer at this service station selling food. [2:30:20, 2:30:23]: Every week and every Friday, Saturday. [2:30:24, 2:30:29]: And we're not gonna even talk about the other house. And the chief know exactly what I'm talking about. [2:30:30, 2:30:31]: Folks say [2:30:32, 2:30:33]: Why? [2:30:34, 2:30:42]: This house that's been doing this for 10 years, I know we only had the police department just for a few years. [2:30:43, 2:30:46]: But why can't this house be taken down? [2:30:47, 2:30:48]: Wow. [2:30:50, 2:30:53]: See that that that those are my issues right there. [2:30:54, 2:30:57]: So my recomm recommendation still [2:30:58, 2:30:59]: To move it. [2:30:59, 2:31:01]: But even moving it. [2:31:01, 2:31:02]: Council. [2:31:02, 2:31:07]: We got to give the two uh if this council decide to let it stay under the post department. [2:31:07, 2:31:12]: We got to give them the tools. We got to give everything that's needed. [2:31:13, 2:31:15]: In order for them to be successful. [2:31:17, 2:31:26]: But I'm still in favor of moving it under community development and just let police just deal with public safety, neighborhood patrol, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. [2:31:28, 2:31:36]: Because I even have issues there as well. And the chief knows we talk all the time. But I understand the difficulties and the problems that we have in policing. [2:31:37, 2:31:41]: But when it comes to code enforcement, the issues that I bring up are [2:31:42, 2:31:44]: These issues just didn't happen yesterday. [2:31:45, 2:31:47]: It's years. [2:31:47, 2:31:48]: And nothing has happened. [2:31:49, 2:32:00]: That's why I'm frustrated. That's why I'd rather make a move and just give the next man up or the next department up all of the resources they need to do. [2:32:00, 2:32:02]: To get the job done. [2:32:03, 2:32:08]: So it's up to the council, but my recommendations still stand as far as actually moving it. [2:32:09, 2:32:11]: And then if it doesn't work there. [2:32:12, 2:32:15]: You still have to do what you have to do,'cause the bottom line is what? [2:32:15, 2:32:17]: We got to get it done. [2:32:17, 2:32:19]: Regardless of where it is. [2:32:19, 2:32:20]: If you put it under the [2:32:20, 2:32:21]: The city clerk. [2:32:23, 2:32:24]: It's gotta get done. [2:32:25, 2:32:29]: I'm just saying, it doesn't matter. We got to get this done. [2:32:29, 2:32:34]: And we as the elected body, it's incumbent upon all of us. [2:32:36, 2:32:39]: And I know all of us we could talk about these stories. [2:32:40, 2:32:50]: But in subdivision, you don't have all of these issues. But the city's made up of more than subdivision. It's made up of more than Eagles Land and Parkway. [2:32:54, 2:32:57]: I year back, Mayor. Thank you. Appreciate it. Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. [2:32:58, 2:33:16]: I'm I'm I'm not really in favor of us moving something if we're not gonna support it, right? And if we haven't given the initial PD the same resources and support to effectively shore it up, then moving it doesn't fix anything. It just moves the problem. [2:33:16, 2:33:36]: If if if we're not as a counselor, we're not gonna put the resources in code enforcement to make sure code enforcement is supported by the software that's needed, the enhancements that's needed, the the training that's needed so that they are familiar with the codes. That's setting Mr. Ryan up for failure if you move it over to [2:33:36, 2:33:42]: him and and he's inheriting that mess, why you gonna give somebody else somebody else's mess? [2:33:43, 2:33:47]: Make make the right change where is that, y'all? Like [2:33:50, 2:33:57]: I got to make it a little bit more. Can can I make what what what you didn't hear from Mr. Ryan was [2:33:58, 2:34:05]: What did he say? He said he's going to make it work. He's made a commitment to make it work. Chief, [2:34:06, 2:34:21]: I don't know where the commitment is in the police department, but for me, that's the difference right there. I'm okay. Now I'm just gonna say this. I know uh Councilman Alexander, we've had this conversation, but if you wanna go back, if you wanna stay with police department. [2:34:22, 2:34:23]: Just no. [2:34:23, 2:34:25]: Just no. [2:34:25, 2:34:29]: that we are going to be working and making sure that it works. [2:34:30, 2:34:30]: At all. [2:34:31, 2:34:43]: All right, thank you. Uh Fred, do you have something right quicker, sir? Real quick, my counseling and it's okay if it is you know. I I I hear the concerns and I've heard and obviously we're we're [2:34:43, 2:35:03]: I think what you heard from Chief is they're moving in the direction to take advantage of certain technologies to make it better. I would I would ask this request of the council. Um let's give this till the mid year to see if you see the changes that you guys have been they've seen heard the complaints about in [2:35:03, 2:35:07]: And if it isn't, we make an adjustment and move it. [2:35:07, 2:35:08]: Um [2:35:09, 2:35:29]: And that's just the ax that I put before the council to to give give them a little bit more time to to do some things. And if you don't see the difference, if if we can't quantify it, move it. Wholeheartedly move it, whether it's its own department or not, move it. Um but just give [2:35:28, 2:35:35]: us that time to to make those changes and adjustments because I I agree. [2:35:35, 2:35:35]: Um [2:35:36, 2:35:39]: with council member Thomas and he has been on my back. [2:35:39, 2:35:40]: About that. [2:35:41, 2:36:01]: uh Wilson Avenue and finally we got the court to give us the order. I think it went to court this two Fridays ago. Um and Chief Wells is working in collaboration. So we've got date on it. It's over a year so now we can go forward. So that hopefully we'll get that torn down fairly fairly quickly in the new year. Um but give us the [2:36:01, 2:36:12]: that opportunity to just see how it works for the n and over the next six months. Um and then let's revisit and go from there if that's if that's if that's the pleasure. [2:36:15, 2:36:35]: I I'm going to get to Captain Alexander next, if you don't mind, sir. On that note, Mr. Alexander, go ahead please. Well well, yeah, since you asked me. Yeah, I have something to say. I think it should stay with the with the chief and give them an opportunity to continue to be successful. That's my thoughts. But you all gonna have to vote on that unless you give me an opportunity. [2:36:34, 2:36:54]: But I would see I will support the police department on what they're doing and and and keep it right where it is and allow from this last little bit that uh uh Mr. Gardner just mentioned about a a time frame of six months to write reevaluated at that point if you need to move it, move it then if it comes to that agreement. That's what I would say. Now you have a comment, sir. What I s what I have to say is I had hope that I'm gonna do that. [2:36:54, 2:36:56]: That we hadn't had to go here. [2:36:57, 2:37:17]: I would had hoped that we would have been able to talk it out and not having to go to where we have to decide and have to criticize what's been going on because the results have been unacceptable. Uh I'm not looking at numbers, I'm looking at the results. And the results are North Henry Boulevard still look like it looked. [2:37:17, 2:37:37]: 138 still looked like it looked. Multiple complaints have been made on Hudson Bridge and Eagles Landing. We write it up, the same thing occurs again. There's no movement, there's no action toward getting a sustained result into moving things the way that they need to go. Now, I firmly have a lot of people who are not going to [2:37:37, 2:37:57]: believe, my own belief. You just don't the this I don't want the police and the code enforcement together. I don't. I don't want somebody intimidated by the code enforcement offer driving up. I want them to be out there independent, doing what they need to do. I don't want them looking at 911 thinking the person's gonna call 911. [2:37:56, 2:38:16]: I want them doing it, interpreting the code the way that they should, not attached to the police department. I never agree, I never wanted this to be in the first place. Mr. Gardner, you suggested this. There was not a it did not come from council. You suggested that we move it here. It would be easier because [2:38:16, 2:38:19]: [9499.7, 9502.9]: W how long have this been under police department? [2:38:23, 2:38:35]: Three years now. Oh two years. No, no. I think from l last year, January twenty three so it's been another year. Oh no. Because if you remember you started the police department in July of two thousand you've been here? [2:38:37, 2:38:39]: Hold on a second. Come on, come to the podium. [2:38:40, 2:38:46]: To answer the question is that Chief Chief should be able to answer a question. [2:38:46, 2:38:51]: Ms. Ryan, you've been here three years, right? Well two years and eight eight months. [2:38:51, 2:39:00]: Right. Now we g we're gonna get the answer and then in terms of you we we this this was changed out of the apartment shortly after you arrived, right? [2:39:00, 2:39:12]: Yes, sir. Shortly after I arrive, yes. Right. So you've been here two years or eight months. So that one year doesn't j tell me how we get one year if it was how do we rectify that in our h it's been more than one year. I know it's been more than one year. [2:39:14, 2:39:16]: Clerk said it's been two years, I'm not sure. [2:39:16, 2:39:36]: So what so what's the answer? What's the real name? I if that's the answer, G is that's the answer, G? It's it's two years. When Miss Carter was over there, she was over it, he was working with Miss Carter. When Miss Carter left, Ryan took over. Police department officially came over and the budget was transferred in January of twenty twenty three. So it's not even if we're we're two years. [2:39:36, 2:39:56]: years now at the end of this year. Right, you're t you you're two years in in terms of where we are now. Now do I do I think the job can be done? Do I think that you all could get around to it? But I just don't see the passion behind the police department and code enforcement. I see passion in enforcing the law. [2:39:56, 2:40:14]: I see that. And I see there's a like there's a line between, uh, you know, that's that's not really police work. And that's what I'm feeling in terms of how we do things in in the interpretations and the enforcement, because the enforcement is [2:40:15, 2:40:17]: As Mayor Pro Tem Berry said. [2:40:18, 2:40:38]: They're gett how many actual citations and fines have we actually administered? Every year we see that number and it's like almost nothing. Where they have gone through the process, the same people go back through the process again, and in the end, nothing significant happens to them. There's no fine or sit. [2:40:38, 2:40:58]: [9658.0, 9670.9]: terms of the overall violations. But my question would be, are they just repeat violations that we keep writing people up? Because I don't see b behavioral corrections in the activity going on in the city. [2:41:11, 2:41:31]: With these being ordinance violations, I mean we're not jailing somebody for these violations. I mean, the first time we go in, we violate somebody, they decide they don't want to cut their grass, they don't want to clean something in, we come back in, we violate them, the fines are increased for the second violation. Subsequent violations, the fines are increased. At some point in time, maybe the financial implication is going to get [2:41:31, 2:41:51]: them to correct their behavior. But if you've there have been a number of instances where you all have have asked for follow-up and we've been able to supply you with where we are with this and what we've done and we followed up and there's been multiple notice of violations or citations or things like that. And so the implication is there's nothing being done and that's not the reality. These things, as Mr. Gardner said, they take [2:41:51, 2:42:11]: time in order to resolve. They don't happen overnight. We can't go down here and cite everybody and expect to see North Henry or whatever change overnight. It's a process. And the fact that we've and I I'm not making excuses, the fact that we've had challenges and turnover and maybe not good leadership that's provided good direction and focus on what it is that we need to is all part of [2:42:11, 2:42:31]: This. And as the chief, I ultimately, code enforcement's under me, I have to take responsibility for that. What I'm asking you for is I'm asking you for what we need. I'm asking you to give me a manager so that we can hire somebody in with the skill set, with the training that's that the in the positions financially incentivized enough so we can provide that direction. Because I'll be the first to tell you I'm not an expert. [2:42:31, 2:42:51]: I know that Major Godfrey had code enforcement in Clayton County, it falls under the police department, falls under the police department in Henry County, it works in both areas. And you know, I I'd like to think that we are responsive to those things. As the chief of this community, when a community member calls with a concern, I'm all about resolving it. So if there are repeat issues that are not being resolved, and there's some things like kind of [2:42:51, 2:43:11]: Councilman Thomas had mentioned about certain properties as we're talking about things not code enforcement, investigative related, those things take time. They take uh it is a process involved to resolve those issues. But again, I and I think you were talking in some hyperbole, Councilman Thomas, because we don't talk every day. I know you've called me about some issues. There are some things, but I'd like to thank the [2:43:11, 2:43:31]: to the things that you have called us about that we've had an explanation for those things. And perhaps you don't want to call about the folks that are, you know, and you shouldn't have to. As a matter of fact, I just to show you how I pay attention to things, I'm driving down North Henry. I see all these semi trucks parked in a Walmart parking lot. And I have to have a meeting with the team and say, This is not acceptable. We're not going to have this. We're not going to have these cars parked out here. [2:43:31, 2:43:51]: And we're gonna go out and we're gonna do something about this. So when I see these things, when I'm driving home at North Henry in 138 and see the car parked there, I'm calling people and saying we need to do these. So I'm seeing these things. We're directing people. And again, we just hired uh two code enforcement officers within the last three months. And so I'm just asking for an opportunity to get ahead of this. I [2:43:51, 2:44:01]: I believe that you'll see results. And if you don't, then hold me accountable. Move it someplace else. But I'm just asking for an opportunity to address this issue. That's all I'm asking for. And um [2:44:01, 2:44:21]: Yeah that that's really I know we've talked about this a lot. That's all that that's all I'm asking for. If you don't and again, if we need to provide counsel with reports on a monthly basis about what we're doing, what violations have been issued, whatever you need, we can provide you with the data. We'd like to get to a point where you can see that or citizens can see that themselves. But I'm about business, I'm about results. I mean we have significant [2:44:21, 2:44:41]: Decreases in crime, I want to see the same things with code enforcement. I take this personally. And personally, I take it as an affront when there's this discussion about things not working. I take that personally. I want to fix it. And if at the end of the day it doesn't work out and it's not what it is, then then make the decisions you need to. But we really haven't been in a position [2:44:41, 2:45:00]: Where we've been able to move. We had somebody in a position that I believed understood what they were doing, but obviously they weren't. I didn't select that person in a leadership role. Give me an opportunity to select my person and to make the changes that we need to make. And I believe that we'll see different outcomes. [2:45:01, 2:45:21]: I want you focused on crime. I don't want I I for you asking me, I want you focused on doing exactly what you just said. Cutting the crime in the city of Stockbridge. I don't really personally want you focusing on those items. I want you doing what we brought and spent this money doing and put our political [2:45:21, 2:45:24]: careers on stage four is to [2:45:25, 2:45:45]: Keep crime down and that be your singular focus. I don't want this to be a distraction, and I don't want it to be your focus for the next six months, two days, or anything. I want crime to always be your top focus, and I don't want this ball over here going up and down that's been a challenge to the city for the last eight years. [2:45:45, 2:45:56]: to distract you and get your eye off of the ball which is crime. That was where we started, that's where we ended at, and that's where we want to end it at. And when I say that, I say that's to mean, listen. [2:45:57, 2:46:17]: And I and and you just said it right. You're not trying to make excuses. But the as and that's why I want the time frame to be what the time frame is. It's been two years, as you said, or right close at two years. The longest person has been here, how long again, seven or eight months? Who's responsible for that? [2:46:19, 2:46:39]: For the f for the the hiring of these staff members and that retention, what is going on to cause these people not to be retained? Who's responsible for hiring them and the turnover that we've had in the department? What causes the turnover in the department? Mayor. Yeah, yes, ma'am. I would like to pause that sound. [2:46:39, 2:46:56]: like an execution. Executive session. Right. Sounds like secondary session. Um discussion. Yeah, got it. I think we need to discuss that in executive session if we're gonna have any discussion on let me just say this. We can certainly have that in executive session, but ultimately who's responsible for hiring and maintaining these people? [2:46:57, 2:47:14]: The the hiring's my responsibility. But what I explained to you is that I inherited certain people that that that are no longer with the department. The people that I've hired are still with us and they're making productive contributions. And and I'm asking everybody that I have hired is still with us. They haven't left. [2:47:15, 2:47:18]: The people that here are no longer with us, I didn't hire them. Okay. [2:47:19, 2:47:39]: Good deal. So the people that you have? Three people. Okay. And those they're being I inherited two people. You inherited two. They're no longer with us. They're three here, and we're looking for one more. Correct. Okay, so we're looking for one more to come aboard. Now, my contention is, and I say this again, is not but your professional. [2:47:39, 2:47:59]: Performance in terms of overall doing the job in in in tail. But I want you focused on crime. I don't want this ball over here, this explosive ball over here taking your eye off of that for any period of time. And to accomplish what we're talking about accomplishing here is gonna take somebody [2:47:58, 2:48:05]: in ingrained into that almost twenty-four hours a day to fix this problem. [2:48:06, 2:48:26]: Every day because it is a problem, as Councilman Thomas has described, that's been going on for a decade right now. Now, if we move it to community development, I want to give them everything that we talked about doing with all the resources that we talked about doing. And I still want the police department standing there. [2:48:26, 2:48:46]: To support them in everything that you said you would do if it was under the police department, under his department, because his people eventually are gonna have to be involved anyway, because they're the ones interpreting the code. When there is a violation, they have to be consulted or legal have to be consulted. So they got to be. [2:48:46, 2:49:06]: Be in the mix at some point. My contention was to bring them into the process earlier. So when the code enforcement officers out there, they're not calling in to the police, they're calling in to them to say, listen, Mr. Anderson, what is code section 18 on this right here? I see this violation, being proactive, because the biggest issue [2:49:06, 2:49:11]: [10151.5, 10159.6]: Being a priority. This is my priority every day. If I got a homicide on the other side of the town. [2:49:20, 2:49:40]: Where is my priority going to be on this code in violation? It can't be in the same two places because those two things are A and one is A and one is Z. And that has been my contention right there from the beginning. And I said this when that was proposed that I wanted to have these separated, not in the tack on the police. [2:49:40, 2:49:56]: department but I just do not believe in in my heart of hearts that you can make this your priority 247 when there's an armed robbery over here, there's a burglary over there and there's something else going over there. How can it possibly be your top priority? [2:49:58, 2:50:00]: Okay, on that note, uh Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [2:50:00, 2:50:12]: I wanted to ask Chief Tramer, are you able to bring a plan, um plan of action to the council and let's continue this discussion during our what winter retreat? [2:50:12, 2:50:20]: Absolutely. Okay. I support just leaving it with the police department um right now. Um [2:50:21, 2:50:41]: I wanna remind us this item is the final reading and adoption of the FY twenty twenty five operating budget. That's correct. I have to open up the to the public here and if that's as soon as everybody's just uh finished discussing. If you you were the last person because you hadn't spoken anything earlier. So on that note we can do that. So it is uh I'll just have one more comment. Come on, we'll [2:50:41, 2:50:47]: I'm gonna keep it brief. The answer every time we have a problem can't be to just throw money at it. [2:50:47, 2:51:07]: Can't be one night. It can't just be to throw more money at. I know we need more resources on this, but the resources need to be effective. And effective with the adding more resources is we've added more people to it. We certainly need to make sure that we're being as effective and efficient as we possibly can. But we've gone from [2:51:07, 2:51:27]: From a$5.6 million budget to an$8 million budget, and now we're adding more money for the code enforcement. At some point the answer cannot be just putting more resources to the situation. It's got to be more productivity and it's got to be more of a focus. [2:51:27, 2:51:47]: Now I'm I'm I'm conducive. It seems like the council is leaning toward uh, you know, maybe punting this, maybe to the next opportunity. But I don't want to have to come back and justify that the police department is not doing a good job or whatever the case may be. It has just always been my firm belief, not in the performance, but in the separation. [2:51:47, 2:52:05]: of administrative from police. And and honestly, and I'm gonna say this and I want it to be the most kind way. The police department, you guys are out there, you're doing a lot of community engagement and what have you to do what you need to do. And I want to make sure I don't say this in an offensive way. [2:52:05, 2:52:25]: you you you're concerned about your public image and thing that you want. I'm not sure code enforcement can be overly concerned about their their public perception and whether or not it's it it's it's we're we're being liked or we the good guys today or or what have you. So I I d I won't I want in my [2:52:25, 2:52:45]: eyes and I've said it again up here at this council, a zero tolerance crackdown on the violations that every last one of them are proactively uh gone after and that we clean up North Henry Boulevard because I'm tired of hearing about it from people. I'm tired of hearing about Highway 138 and how it looks. I won't [2:52:45, 2:53:05]: to see the results. Thank you. All right, I'll tell you what. Let's make this a last comment. Do we have executive session? Excuse me now. Do we have executive session? Uh well yeah we will have executive session sir. We we will have let executive session talk over some per uh some uh uh real estate issues but uh I need to move on this is uh this is open uh uh public hearing the reading [2:53:05, 2:53:08]: No, yes, I just wanna say let's let's take it there. [2:53:08, 2:53:24]: Well, uh we're gonna make a take a vote before that, sir, actually. All right, so so this is actually uh a public hearing. So on my very left side, is anybody had any comments uh for this uh budget and all the con discussion we've had? And my very left, in the middle. [2:53:25, 2:53:43]: My very right. Okay, anybody have any comments against uh what was going on on my very left, in the middle, my very right. So I need uh see no comments one way or the other on that aspect. So I'll close that part out. Now, um what I think um sorry. Yes, ma'am. [2:53:46, 2:53:50]: No I have no public comments for or against the the the the the budget that's before us. [2:53:51, 2:53:55]: Oh sorry, but there was one. So there um [2:53:56, 2:54:00]: has been a um I've received an email [2:54:00, 2:54:15]: Um I received an email where someone wants their comment read into the record as a public hearing comment for the budget. Is it f for the for the budget? [2:54:15, 2:54:16]: Okay. [2:54:17, 2:54:19]: You you have that and you'll be able to provide that? [2:54:21, 2:54:22]: Council's discretion. [2:54:24, 2:54:24]: Okay. [2:54:25, 2:54:27]: Is it for or against? [2:54:28, 2:54:31]: Is it for a comet for or f or comet against? [2:54:31, 2:54:33]: Well, yeah. [2:54:34, 2:54:34]: Yeah. [2:54:39, 2:54:42]: They can eat they can send it. We can release. [2:54:47, 2:54:49]: Um it's a request. [2:54:50, 2:54:50]: Yeah. [2:54:50, 2:54:53]: Something to be in the budget. [2:54:55, 2:54:58]: Okay. [2:55:07, 2:55:27]: Mayor, I have a question about that though. What what? Before Miss Holiday. This is public comments for the budget. So it's open we're doing public com public hearing. Right. And so someone sent an email that wants us wants it to be read. [2:55:27, 2:55:43]: can't be present. Are we gonna set that precedent for the future? That is why I said it's uh mayor and council discretion because it is not the norm. It's not the norm. Usually the person is here in public and they are making their public comment. Now if this is the where we're headed [2:55:44, 2:55:53]: Then we set it for one, we have to set it for all. And I'm not against it or for I'm not for or against. I'm just making it known so that I guess mayor and council can know. [2:55:54, 2:56:14]: Where we are. What's the circumstances around it? Were are they unable to attend? It does not say. It does not say. And how long have you had it? I got it at five fifty eight PM today. And I can say that I can put the record um what we have done before. We can put it in the meeting notes, but [2:56:14, 2:56:16]: [10576.6, 10596.6]: I I think before we set a precedent for it there has to be some mitigating reasons for doing it and two minutes before without some type of rationale behind their inability to attend in person because we post the meetings, we post when they're being held, we post the time, the calendar in advance, and we've already said what the tone was. That's that's [2:56:36, 2:56:56]: Just my opinion. All right. Yes, sir. Honestly, this is what happened. Uh uh Mr. It's the me email from Mr. Marshall. Yes. And he um had indicated that he wanted to make some comments about the general budget. Uh certainly he said he was unable to make it and that he wanted to have these comments. [2:56:56, 2:57:16]: uh into the record uh because uh this was budgetary information. Apparently you know we're here there's nobody here and certainly uh in those circumstances there's nobody it's not like it's extending the meeting but at the same time I wouldn't certainly not want to set a precedence that we were really [2:57:16, 2:57:36]: Read every email into each one of these. So we're right, we're not going to read it. We're not going to read it. So anyway, so no comments for or against on on the public here in this aspect. So because we had an extensive conversation about the code enforcement and it's on the it's on approval for the budget, I'm assuming uh Mr. Quinn. [2:57:36, 2:57:47]: Quentin. I'm assuming that we'll have to make a a vote in reference to the code enforcement remaining or leaving prior to overall approving the budget. Would that be a a best thing to do? [2:57:50, 2:57:51]: Sir, if you wanna come to the mic here? [2:57:58, 2:58:15]: If there's a specific directive about it, it would be best encapsulated in an ordinance because you'd be changing the actual code from them being under the police department because they're under it by code. You'd be changing them wherever you would change them to and how you change them would best be encapsulated in an ordinance. [2:58:16, 2:58:17]: Okay. [2:58:18, 2:58:35]: But what it is is what it is, we've got approved the approval the budget. And this this is like a subset of that. So I didn't know uh the what the motion should look like to approve the the budget or whatever or d well, I would imagine we'll approve the budget, but I just wanna make sure there should be in there a b uh the budget or the budget adoption ordinance. [2:58:35, 2:58:41]: We submitted that the budget adoption ordinance, we submitted that uh a couple of months ago, was that? [2:58:42, 2:58:44]: Is that [2:58:45, 2:59:00]: There there is a budget adoption ordinance, but there were changes that were requested at the December ninth meeting. So those changes would need to be inserted into that document, whatever those changes. [2:59:01, 2:59:19]: Right. That's correct. All right, so I'm looking for a motion f to accept the the budget as as proposed here, but under under it has several different options for the code enforcement. So we b uh I'm I'm assuming that we've got to sam s agree to whether or not it's gonna stay or be removed [2:59:19, 2:59:39]: I think a couple of different things. Mr. Since you have a budget, since you have a budget, since you have a since you have a budget document. Yes. Right. If you're changing, if your line item changing that document, they need to be in the clerk's notes about what the will of counsel is. Okay. Right? Then at that point, monies and all that stuff, which are in the budget adoption ordinance, will be done. [2:59:39, 2:59:52]: If you are debating and you want to have another action to change where a department is located, then that's something that we need to do by ordinance so that the ordinance can go into the code as to where [2:59:53, 3:00:07]: But uh w as to what you all want to happen and how you want to do that. But if there's a vote taken on whether or not to move code enforcement and and it's and the vote is not to move code enforcement, it's already in there. It's already in the police department. Right. Right. You w you can't [3:00:09, 3:00:17]: The two things need to be done separately. Right, that's what I was getting at. I thought I thought they would have to be done separately. That's what I thought. That's why I'm asking you. I thought because so otherwise [3:00:18, 3:00:35]: Yeah, because you the cause what's before the council now is just your budget adoption. That's exactly right. And whatever you're changing in your budget adoption is that document. Okay. That document is not also about moving, you know, or changing like departments. It's like if you created a department of homeland security, that's a separate [3:00:36, 3:00:56]: All right. So I'm so on that note what I've what I need to ask for is that is there a motion uh in reference to the code enforcement on where it needs to what what it is. Can we do the budget first? I think that's gonna be a lot simpler for us to just vote on the budget first. No, no, because the b if you do the budget the budget th this is a subset to that. If you do the budget then it's automatic it [3:00:56, 3:01:07]: Not hold on, not not necessarily. If we vote on the budget, it leaves it in the it leaves it where it is now in order to change it, we gotta pass an ordinance to change it. Okay, well [3:01:07, 3:01:20]: Okay, so we approve the budget, then it automatically stays where right where it is then. That's correct. Right. Well so be it. That's what I was trying to get clarification on. Right. I don't uh at at this point there's not there's not the votes here in order to in order to [3:01:21, 3:01:28]: All right. Make the change because obviously there's not the votes here in order to make the change. So I'm gonna make the motion to [3:01:28, 3:01:31]: Pay us. Vanessa, go ahead, please. [3:01:31, 3:01:35]: There were additional changes that uh Mr. Gardner [3:01:37, 3:01:39]: No. Yeah, I I got that. [3:01:40, 3:01:41]: Yeah, I got that. [3:01:42, 3:01:50]: Okay, certainly I wanted to go ahead and make the motion to um approve the budget. [3:01:51, 3:02:11]: As recommended with the additional changes that were cited uh by the city manager uh in terms of the budgetary dollar amounts. Uh as indicated by the city attorney, the option for moving the code enforcement would have to be done in an ordinance that would not be included in this project. [3:02:11, 3:02:27]: particular goal. So we will revisit that in the next motion and uh approve the budget uh as recommended with these additional changes that were made and then we'll deal with a secondary issue after this. [3:02:28, 3:02:34]: Is there a second of that motion? Uh unreadiness. Unreadiness. Yes. [3:02:34, 3:02:35]: Well Sammy. [3:02:37, 3:02:38]: Put him in. [3:02:38, 3:02:58]: Have a question. I'm not ready for the for the motion or the vote. Well what what look before you get because you missed something, Councilman Thomas the attorney told us we had to do these separate. If we wanted to move the police department out of this depart uh out of we can't do it during the budget. We'd have to we're gonna have to vote on the budget and that separately. [3:02:58, 3:03:01]: Okay, let me just be clear. Let me make sure I got this right. [3:03:01, 3:03:21]: We if you change, if you whether you vote for it or not, the number stays the same. Whether it gets allocated, am I am I calling this out? Whether it gets allocated to a different department would be the ordinance and the creation of something else if you wanted to do it. So we if the number's a dollar, it's a dollar. And if you say that that's going to be allocated to the police department. [3:03:21, 3:03:25]: or something else, that something else will be in the ordinance. Am I encapsulating that? [3:03:25, 3:03:26]: Yeah. [3:03:26, 3:03:32]: Okay. I just want to make sure that from the treasure and the city manager we got that right for y'all. I have a question. Yes, sir. [3:03:32, 3:03:39]: My unreadiness is I like to speak to um [3:03:40, 3:03:53]: a part of the budget discussion. I I want to speak to a part of the budget. So I'm not we that's what we've been doing, so you've been talking a lot. I I heard I heard a motion to adopt [3:03:54, 3:04:05]: Am I correct? But well yeah, the t what's what's we're supposed to do now is to adopt the budget for the twenty twenty five years. No, well, I'm not sure what's the one readiness is I want to speak to the budget. Well you've been speaking to the budget all along, sir. [3:04:05, 3:04:09]: W additional. Well but you d okay. If I may. [3:04:10, 3:04:14]: All right. Can we make this the last time you speak on this? Well it's not about code enforcement. [3:04:14, 3:04:19]: It's not by the code enforcement. No, it's not. But I I have a question about code enforcement. One last question. [3:04:20, 3:04:22]: Sorry. Oh, I'm cool. Go ahead. [3:04:22, 3:04:23]: I just wanna know [3:04:23, 3:04:35]: We have the the different dollar amounts if we were to go by scenario one, two, or three. I wanted to make sure there wasn't any drastic increase. Um I I'm I'm only concerned about us getting some kind of software. [3:04:36, 3:04:41]: And I wanted to make sure that the lower amount I thought was through the police department. [3:04:42, 3:04:45]: Because the resources have already been allocated there. [3:04:45, 3:05:05]: Plus, we're talking about getting some type of software besides them being putting things in Excel spreadsheet. So where are we with the dollar amount for the police department code enforcement? I see the other scenarios. I see scenario two, if they were under the community development, and I saw a scenario three. [3:05:05, 3:05:07]: if they were standalone. [3:05:08, 3:05:14]: So what is the actual dollar amount that's budgeted for twenty twenty-five? [3:05:15, 3:05:19]: Code enforcement under the police department. Where is that? [3:05:27, 3:05:29]: It's that number right there. [3:05:29, 3:05:46]: We just pulled it out with the four positions, the code supervisor and the three officers. We just pulled that number from the police department and separated it. So it it's the same number. See what I'm saying? It's the same number that it was this year. [3:05:46, 3:05:50]: The same ever all their resour their resources as it relates to what [3:05:51, 3:05:57]: The what they had for them moves over. That's the personnel. Everything that's right in front of you. [3:05:57, 3:05:59]: But that's not what I read. [3:06:01, 3:06:05]: It was like a ten thousand dollar difference from one to the next to the next. [3:06:05, 3:06:09]: So if you make it its own department and hire a director. [3:06:09, 3:06:20]: Ma'am? Uhhuh. Then obviously you're paying a director, which is a higher salary than if you pay a manager to manage in conjunction with the chief or in conjunction with [3:06:20, 3:06:27]: with this gentleman here. So obviously you're paying more for that director. So there is the ten thousand, the five five fifty [3:06:28, 3:06:37]: The five fifty six versus the the four sixty six in terms of the cost. So there's a c that's where the difference in the cost is, ma'am but [3:06:37, 3:06:38]: Okay. [3:06:38, 3:06:58]: I can't find it right now. She's not finished. Are you finished now with that? No, I'm finished now. I just wanted to make sure that the numbers didn't change and what's the difference. Was there an increase there's no increase. Okay, I'm fine. Thank you. I just want to give them that opportunity. You know what the issue is, you know we're not pleased right now, and we're given the opportunity to get that up on its feet the way it needs to be. [3:06:58, 3:07:18]: And I'm confident that it will be. Yeah. Especially with the numbers. I think when Chief was talking about the technology and what they're doing, that's that's encumbrance and part of what they the overall department and direction they're going in, and that this would be included as part of that whole initiative. But if obviously if you make it its own department or take it over, then we have to start. [3:07:18, 3:07:30]: not creating that whole line item, but under under that, we would obviously budget accordingly so it wouldn't change the underlying number, because that's what we see bringing over. So um and the technology, as we said, I mean [3:07:31, 3:07:45]: The whether it's in the police department with the police department technology or if it goes under community development where I I think Ryan is is upgrading their technology, you're gonna have the same result because either one is gonna provide for. [3:07:46, 3:08:03]: Th those same type of flow of of information, having the tough books, being able to issue e citations right on the spot. Um that either way it's gonna go that way because he's going that way with permit. That's what's on the agenda tonight. That so the softwares are still the same. [3:08:03, 3:08:04]: Go ahead, thank you. [3:08:04, 3:08:06]: Okay, Ms. Thomas, go ahead, please. [3:08:08, 3:08:11]: In reference to the budget [3:08:12, 3:08:14]: And the reclassification [3:08:15, 3:08:17]: And new position titles [3:08:18, 3:08:20]: A motion [3:08:21, 3:08:26]: to approve and fund the following positions. [3:08:27, 3:08:29]: event koordinator [3:08:31, 3:08:33]: Assistant court clerk to [3:08:35, 3:08:36]: A M I [3:08:37, 3:08:38]: Technician [3:08:39, 3:08:42]: Human resources specialists [3:08:43, 3:08:45]: Антоз. [3:08:46, 3:08:47]: Approved. [3:08:49, 3:08:51]: Vacant position [3:08:53, 3:08:55]: Until field. [3:08:55, 3:08:57]: And revisit [3:08:58, 3:08:59]: And discuss [3:08:59, 3:09:02]: The proposed job title change [3:09:02, 3:09:04]: And reclassification [3:09:05, 3:09:10]: during the twenty twenty five budget retreat. [3:09:13, 3:09:16]: Okay. It's a motion. [3:09:22, 3:09:24]: Well I will read it again if I may. [3:09:26, 3:09:28]: In reference to the budget, the [3:09:30, 3:09:32]: Reclassifications [3:09:32, 3:09:35]: and new position titles. [3:09:37, 3:09:42]: I moved to approve and fund the following positions. [3:09:43, 3:09:44]: A vet [3:09:45, 3:09:46]: A vents [3:09:46, 3:09:47]: Coordinator. [3:09:49, 3:09:52]: Assistant Court Clerk to [3:09:53, 3:09:56]: A M I technician [3:09:57, 3:10:00]: Human resources generalists [3:10:02, 3:10:03]: And advertise [3:10:05, 3:10:06]: Approved. [3:10:08, 3:10:11]: Vacant positions on the city website. [3:10:11, 3:10:13]: Until filled [3:10:15, 3:10:16]: And revisit [3:10:16, 3:10:18]: And discuss [3:10:18, 3:10:21]: The proposed job title changes. [3:10:22, 3:10:24]: And reclassifications. [3:10:24, 3:10:28]: during the twenty twenty five budget retreat. [3:10:34, 3:10:35]: That is a motion. [3:10:36, 3:10:37]: So you have that, Miss Holliday? [3:10:38, 3:10:40]: And I will appreciate a sec. [3:10:42, 3:10:43]: I [3:10:44, 3:10:47]: I need to go I need to look at one of the positions. [3:10:47, 3:10:48]: Um [3:10:48, 3:10:51]: Was all these positions named prior to? [3:10:52, 3:10:52]: Today. [3:10:53, 3:10:56]: These these are not new positions. [3:10:56, 3:11:01]: These are ones that we had put in the proposed budget in the first place, correct? [3:11:01, 3:11:04]: Correct. Okay. Correct. [3:11:05, 3:11:10]: And these are not um reclassifications. [3:11:11, 3:11:15]: And these are not new positions uh that has not been [3:11:16, 3:11:16]: Mm-hmm. [3:11:17, 3:11:18]: involved in the reclassification. [3:11:19, 3:11:22]: Okay. Well then I second. [3:11:23, 3:11:30]: Okay, motion has been seconded. Ms. Holler, do you have all that this time? Okay. Uh there's no further discussion. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:11:31, 3:11:39]: All right, all pose. I actually I actually have had my hand raised because I have a question. What's your question? [3:11:41, 3:11:46]: It's in regards to the budget, so is it b is in regard to this particular motion that was made. [3:11:47, 3:11:50]: No. Okay. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:11:51, 3:11:56]: All right, unanimous decision. All right. So is there anything else, Mr. Thomas, right now? [3:11:57, 3:12:06]: I have a motion to adopt the agenda. I mean to adopt the budget, but I heard Councilman Alexander. No, stem by Stemba, appreciate it. Ms. Barber, what's on your mind? [3:12:07, 3:12:13]: I wanted to ask, the current year's actuals are reported through which month or period? [3:12:32, 3:12:36]: Ma'am, um are you looking at the numbers that are on the sheets right here? [3:12:37, 3:12:39]: Uh on the code enforcement sheets. [3:12:43, 3:12:44]: As it relates to the [3:12:47, 3:12:55]: Where we made where we're making the adjustments. So they're as of I think when we initially did the budget retreat back in August. [3:12:56, 3:12:59]: This is my understanding from the from the finance director. [3:13:02, 3:13:05]: Okay, so the actuals from twenty twenty four. [3:13:07, 3:13:17]: I just reported through August. So looking at those those would be half the year, just looking at the numbers, so that would be yes, July, July, August numbers. [3:13:19, 3:13:39]: That is what what and and that's not sufficient for me. That understood and that's I need to know what the actuals are year to date currently as closest today's date, which I understand we're towards the end of the year. However, just for me. Never mind. We could print out read. [3:13:39, 3:13:40]: [11624.6, 11626.7]: I didn't change that. [3:13:47, 3:13:51]: A any other questions? Okay, Mr. Thomas, go ahead please. [3:13:53, 3:13:56]: Therefore, I move to adopt the twenty twenty-five budget. [3:13:58, 3:14:03]: With council approved changes and adjustments. [3:14:03, 3:14:06]: To be made by the city treasure. [3:14:08, 3:14:12]: Okay. Is there a second to that motion? [3:14:14, 3:14:18]: I second. Oh Miss okay, Miss Gann second that. All right, all in favor, please indicate. [3:14:21, 3:14:22]: Opposed? [3:14:23, 3:14:31]: I will oppose and I wanna add a comment. Okay, four once before you do it. So four, one and motion passed. Miss Barber, what's your comment? [3:14:31, 3:14:36]: Every year we've had issues with the reporting of the actuals. [3:14:36, 3:14:41]: The actuals of the current or prior years. [3:14:41, 3:14:46]: I need to be able to see what our spending trends are year over year. [3:14:48, 3:14:49]: That's one issue. [3:14:49, 3:14:54]: The other one is I believe that the priorities are not accurately [3:14:54, 3:14:55]: Well [3:14:55, 3:15:02]: What I believe should be priorities are not adequately reflected in this budget. [3:15:02, 3:15:03]: That's all. [3:15:04, 3:15:12]: Thank you. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen. Budget's passed at this point. Mayor Mayor. If we could. Councilman Thomas. [3:15:13, 3:15:33]: We we we still can deal with the issue that we were talking about, which is uh again we were talking about what we're gonna do in terms of um the police department and then the code enforcement. So certainly there was a suggestion made that there was a six month term and that six month term [3:15:33, 3:15:48]: would be used to come back and to reevaluate this particular issue in six months since there does not P of B a will to and people want more information. Are you conducive to that to have this revisited in six months? [3:15:52, 3:15:57]: Can we have this as an agenda item at the uh r retreat? [3:15:58, 3:16:07]: Certainly. Are you agreeable to that, Mr. Gardner, that we would have this item uh at the retreat and we'll revisit it to blanch it out in more detail? [3:16:07, 3:16:09]: Ritual tree, the mark tree. [3:16:10, 3:16:12]: Or the NLC or the weather retreat. [3:16:16, 3:16:27]: Uh the earliest one. So March. Uh and love I've got topic. Remember too, we're gonna have a quick retrieval January eighth both. [3:16:28, 3:16:46]: Homestead exemption and frost. Well the the March retreat. So the March retreat. Okay. And if I know this is something we're all since we're talking about it, at that retreat can we also discuss the special projects as where we can go with the road service carrying some community? [3:16:46, 3:16:47]: Sure. [3:16:57, 3:16:58]: Okay, look. [3:16:59, 3:17:17]: Excuse me, about what the city needs to do as it relates to the homestead exemption. Um, I will just say this, this has been complicated. Um, and it even got a little bit more complicated after we had our manager's meeting with the tax assessor. [3:17:17, 3:17:21]: Literally based on the way this is the law is written. [3:17:22, 3:17:29]: I'm supposed to get you guys uh have have a budget for twenty twenty six ready by March first. [3:17:29, 3:17:29]: Okay. [3:17:31, 3:17:51]: All right. Right. So we're still trying to iron out some of these requirements and working with ACCG and GMA, but um we have another meeting coming up and to get a little bit more clarity from them as it relates to this. Uh so it's still a lot almost a lot of jurisdictions are still dealing with how they're gonna do this and talking to Michael and [3:17:51, 3:17:58]: and his team. Um that's across the board for some of the taxes. But we'll talk more about that on at that Monday Monday meeting. Thank you. Thank you. [3:17:58, 3:18:00]: All right, so we'll handle it in March then. [3:18:01, 3:18:11]: Council consideration to approve the comprehensive plan and agreement pertaining to the water and sewer services between Henry Canyon Water and Sewage Authority and the City of Stobbridge. Mr Aaron, please. [3:18:20, 3:18:40]: Uh yes, sir, Mr. Mayor and Council. Come before you tonight, Mr. Gardner and I have been meeting with uh Mr. Carnell and the Henry County Water Authority about the service delivery strategy component for water and sewer provisions in Henry County and the city of Stockbridge. And one of the things that had been bothering us that was in the previous service. [3:18:40, 3:18:42]: Delivery strategy is that [3:18:43, 3:19:03]: Whenever there was a master meter that the city was purchasing water from the Herring County Water Authority through, the Herring County Water Authority received three hundred dollars in impact fees. So that's been a bone of contention with us for the the previous past eight years as to why should we first of all pay you an impact fee when we're [3:19:03, 3:19:23]: Also buying water from you. So they agreed to remove that from the new agreement. And so everything else stays the same because our service area has pretty much been locked in based on previous annexations and decisions from previous council members. So there's really no opportunities to explain. [3:19:23, 3:19:42]: expand the water and sewer system. We're just located within the footprint we currently have, but I think the biggest adjustment was not paying that$300 per lot in impact fees off of Master Meter. So we ask that you approve the adoption of the revised service delivery strategy for water and sewer provisions. [3:19:42, 3:19:45]: All right. Is there a motion to accept the proposal? [3:19:46, 3:19:50]: There's a motion. Okay, Mr. Alzheimer's is there a second? [3:19:51, 3:19:53]: Mr. Barress, I'll favor please indicate. [3:19:55, 3:20:09]: Okay, what do we got here? Mr. Thomas? Okay, is it four four four? Yeah, Miss Ganson, four. Thank you. Uh Sharon? Thank you, sir. No problem. Council uh consideration to approve the contract with uh [3:20:10, 3:20:22]: SAGE S Networks Incorporated to provide uh cloud based software licensing, maintenance, and support services in an amount of fifty eight thousand three hundred eighteen dollars a year. Mr. Ryan, please. [3:20:22, 3:20:25]: Good evening. Um this proposal [3:20:26, 3:20:46]: is to replace our existing um building permitting and licensing software. Currently we're on the um uh title technologies product called Intergov and currently it's not sufficient for for our operations today. Uh it doesn't allow for online capabilities. It's not user-friendly. [3:20:46, 3:21:06]: And it still requires us to do a lot of manual tests. And um it doesn't interface with the county tax assessor software. So Sage's does all that. It's user-friendly. It interfaces with Henry County Tax Assessor Software because Henry County uses Sage's also. It's more modern. [3:21:05, 3:21:25]: lead to the department being more efficient in delivering um building permitting and licensing. Uh and it would eliminate the the large need for us to do a lot of manual tests. Business licensing, um they have to do a big mail out every year when it comes to doing um uh business license renewal. This will help in that [3:21:27, 3:21:30]: In that process, uh [3:21:32, 3:21:39]: Here's a comparison of the two. The current annual cost that we pay to Tyler is sixty-three thousand. [3:21:40, 3:22:00]: Uh Tyler Technology currently does not allow us to have online capabilities for customers to use to complete entire applications. It's inefficient, slow, and difficult to navigate, not very user-friendly. No online payment capabilities. Once again, it does not interface with Henry County's tax assessor software. [3:22:00, 3:22:20]: Not very user-friendly, cost prohibitive. Uh training costs and support associated is very expensive. And tack technical support is lacking. And it's kind of anquest anquit and antiquated for our current department needs. Currently the product that we're [3:22:20, 3:22:40]: Seeking permission to go under contract with, Sage is it has online capability for customers to complete their entire application process online. User-friendly, interfaced with Henry County Tax Assessor Software, online payment cap capability, is modern, efficient, productive, adaptive, and it will save staff time. [3:22:40, 3:23:00]: Also, they have excellent customer support. They're a local company. They're based here in Atlanta. Lower training costs, lower cost compared to Tyler's a product. The five-year annual cost will be$58,318 versus the$63,000 for our Tyler. And after five years, their cost will decrease. [3:23:00, 3:23:12]: increased to forty four thousand three hundred and twenty eight dollars. So that's a savings of approximately nineteen thousand a year after five years, after we paid us, we financed the seventy thousand dollar startup and implementation costs. [3:23:17, 3:23:23]: So here's the basically the scope of the work for you to s scope of work for you to see. Let me try to make it a little larger. [3:23:31, 3:23:32]: Oh. [3:23:42, 3:23:45]: So um like I previously mentioned, um [3:23:46, 3:24:06]: It would come in for our business, our building and permitting, our planning and zoning division, and our business services. And and we do have um the capability to expand to code enforcement if the police department decides to uh partner with us. It's already been paid for. It's included in this in these costs. [3:24:06, 3:24:26]: Like year one, the cost is$44,000, but we add in an additional one-time prorated cost because of the$70,000 startup implementation cost. We decide to finance over that over a five-year period, which brings the total to$58,000,$318,000 a year, including the prorated start. [3:24:26, 3:24:32]: Implementation costs, we're still saving almost five thousand dollars a year versus our current product. [3:24:35, 3:24:41]: So here's the contract and here's including the sc the scope of the work and the breakdown of all that they will provide. [3:24:43, 3:24:45]: So we're asking for approval. [3:24:46, 3:24:50]: All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Uh motion to approve this uh request. [3:24:52, 3:24:54]: Yes, ma'am? [3:24:54, 3:25:05]: Uh I'm sorry. Oh I just have a real quick question. So this is already budgeted for in our twenty twenty five budget current. Yes, we uh we budgeted for our the current product and yes [3:25:05, 3:25:20]: Okay. It's it it sounds better. The ability to be pay online will save a lot of time. Everybody goes to that right now. So I like to make a motion to approve um this contract with Sage Network. Um to [3:25:21, 3:25:27]: Okay, from Miss uh uh Miss Gantt to Mr. Alexander. Motion made the second law favorite, please indicate. [3:25:29, 3:25:31]: The NAMS decision? [3:25:33, 3:25:34]: Yeah. [3:25:40, 3:25:46]: Okay, the motion motion pass four four zero. Got it. [3:25:50, 3:26:10]: All right. Thank you. Uh thank you, Ryan. Appreciate it. All right. Okay. Council consideration uh for appointees to Stockbridge uh Citizen Police Academy Council for one year. And it seems as though I need a this is uh we got uh Mr. Da uh Mr. Nathan Banks and Miss Judy Neil, both zone two and zone four. [3:26:10, 3:26:15]: Police chief appointee. Uh sir, you're good uh chief. Could you come to the podium please? [3:26:23, 3:26:30]: So your appointees uh for zone two is uh Mr. Nathan Banks and zone four, Ms. Judy Neal for one of your appointments. [3:26:33, 3:26:53]: Uh yes, sir, that's r that's correct. Um is y you may or may not recall but uh the initial council appointments, uh we had a lottery, it was a one year and a two year appointment. And um this would be for uh and and you have the option to renew for one year, so this would be uh renewal for the current members, Mr. Nathan Banks and Miss Judy Neal who represent [3:26:53, 3:26:58]: Okay. Council, I need a motion to accept this, please. [3:26:58, 3:27:04]: So moved. Is there a second? Second. Move came from Miss Skant to Mr. Downs on all favor, please indicate. [3:27:05, 3:27:20]: NASA decision. Okay. And then uh Reverend Doctor M L Lavell Sanders at large, it's actually my appointee. So um think he's a great great gentleman to be on on the on the Citizens Police Academy advisory council. So otherwise uh is there a motion to accept him, please? [3:27:21, 3:27:25]: So move. Okay. So move. I got got uh Mr. Berry here. Is a second? [3:27:26, 3:27:40]: I second. Okay, Miss Gantt second. Alfred, please indicate. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, then we have District One Representative, Miss Carmen Reese. Uh that's you, Miss Gantt. You good with that? So moved. Okay. Sir second? [3:27:41, 3:27:44]: Ms. Bar Mr Berry second law favorite, please indicate. [3:27:44, 3:27:46]: Okay, fantastic. Uh there's a nice decision there. [3:27:48, 3:27:53]: I'm staying in from the Oh you're staying, I'm sorry. I'm excuse me. So okay, uh vote on that against four zero one. [3:27:54, 3:27:58]: Mr. Mr. Thomas, you voted for? Okay, four zero one. Okay. [3:27:59, 3:28:15]: Okay. Uh uh Dr. Thomas Smith, District Two, Councilmember Pointee, and that uh uh that's you, Mr. Uh so moved. Okay, so for Mr. Thomas, so move is there second? Second uh Miss Berry sec Mr. Berry's second then all fair, please indicate. [3:28:16, 3:28:26]: It's came you was that NAMS decision? Oh NAMS decision there. Okay, so we're good in that part. Council consideration of appointments of Stockbridge Planning Commission for a four year term. [3:28:26, 3:28:31]: Mr. Stanley Doomis, District One, uh Councilmember Pointy for renewal, Ms. Gantt. [3:28:31, 3:28:33]: So moved. Okay. So a second. [3:28:35, 3:28:37]: Okay, Mr. Mr. Berry, second offer, please indicate. [3:28:38, 3:28:43]: Okay, four, Mr. Youth Good, Mr. [3:28:44, 3:28:49]: Ms. Alexander? Okay, so it's uh four zero I know four what are you you're opposed you're opposed to [3:28:50, 3:29:06]: Okay, go ahead. Four four one uh four one it passes, Mr. Alzheimer's against four one. Yes. Okay. Okay. District number two, Mr Jaden William uh Williams, uh council member appointee, renewal, uh Mr Thomas, that's your appointment. [3:29:06, 3:29:17]: So move for Mr. Thomas. Is there a second? Ms. again what was that? J Jaden Jaden Williams. For what? For counsel is this for the planning commission. All these are for planning commission. This is for a four year term. [3:29:19, 3:29:38]: Okay, so Mr. I'm sorry, ms I'm sorry, I have some concerns. Okay. The gentleman has announced that he's running for public office. Uh yeah, yes. So I mean, are you gonna be the he gonna be to serve a full four year term? I I would and he's committed to say that he's already announced his candidacy for another race? [3:29:40, 3:29:43]: Mayor piles when we respond to the I'm sorry, would you say Miss Hollywood? [3:29:44, 3:29:49]: So until he qualifies, he is just a citizen. [3:29:49, 3:29:56]: Once he qualifies he has to uh resign from the planning commission. That is correct. [3:29:56, 3:30:00]: And the qualification is in August of twenty twenty. [3:30:02, 3:30:08]: qualification August twenty twenty twenty, but I mean is he committed to serve only six months? [3:30:09, 3:30:22]: Or eight months? Well I don't know. He's mister he's actually Mr Thomas' appointe. He's on distribute appointee. If that's what he chooses, it's okay. I just wanted to make sure that that was the issue. He's only committing to serve for eight months. Yeah. [3:30:28, 3:30:28]: Okay. [3:30:32, 3:30:34]: Okay, the correction made, okay. [3:30:35, 3:30:41]: Okay, Mr Mr. Thomas says so uh so move in this aspect. Need a second uh to the motion? Till we get a second. [3:30:42, 3:30:49]: Mayor. Okay, um yeah, Miss Gan uh Miss Miss Barber seconded that motion, yes. She did. Miss Barber seconded the motion. Okay. Okay. [3:30:49, 3:30:50]: You had something there? [3:30:51, 3:31:09]: No, it's okay. I was just gonna say I I tend to I thought when you have district appointees that we respect each other's appointment, but I get it. Well I get it. I I'm just respect I get it. I I normally just thought that's what I was saying, everybody should just respect each other's appointment. Okay. So all in favor, please in the K? [3:31:10, 3:31:30]: Okay, Namester City. Okay, now what we had here, so obviously this Miss Christina Didmar cannot be because you already got that appointment. That's a new applicant, so that individual cannot be uh the on the planning commission because you already have someone on there now for district two. So uh we have to skip that. And Miss uh Tamika Walker, District Five. [3:31:30, 3:31:33]: five uh council member appoint appointing Mr Alexander. [3:31:34, 3:31:54]: My current representative has chosen to resign up chosen not to uh continue their term. Uh Miss Walker is a candidate, I mean is a citizen who lives in my district. She's been very active as volunteer for m several city events. She was at the volunteer gala and uh [3:31:54, 3:32:13]: uh certainly I do recommend her for appointment. Okay, is there a second amount? A second. And Ms. Gans second all favor, please indicate. All right, she now's decision there. Now we'll move on to council uh consideration uh for of appointments for the public facilities authority for a four year term and this is uh Miss uh Trina Trina Christ what is it [3:32:13, 3:32:24]: Christina Disrina Dismuke. Christrina Disbuke. All right. And uh I I don't know her, but uh is there a motion to accept her to this re responsibility, this position? [3:32:27, 3:32:32]: Is there a motion to accept uh Christina dispute to this? [3:32:34, 3:32:54]: Okay. Uh so there's no motion. Okay, so I guess we'll move on. All right, council consideration of appointments for Stockbridge Youth Council Advisory Committee for two year terms. And this is uh Miss Bonita Adams, uh Miss Jaquina Carter. Jacqueline. Jacqueline Carter. Excuse give me straight here. [3:32:54, 3:33:12]: Mr. Rika Goins, which is a new appointee, uh, Miss Kathleen Nash, Miss Valerie Richmond Reese, and Doctor Thomas Smith. Okay, is there a motion to accept all those individuals? So moved. Oh I'm sorry. You are, go ahead. [3:33:13, 3:33:33]: So move. I second. Okay, this so move. So from Mr. Berry to Miss Gann. All favor, please indicate. Okay, she now succeeds. Okay. All right. Um now we're going to actually announcements, uh, meetings announcements. And this is uh initially from the this next the first announcement. [3:33:33, 3:33:53]: From the Main Street staff. This deals with the City of Stockbridge and Carklin Library. Present community scan day. The community is invited to participate in a special project to archive and preserve your community's rich history, share your memories of the old Stockbridge, and contribute to the collection of that reflects and diverse history and [3:33:53, 3:34:13]: Experiences of our city for future generations. This interactive event takes place January 21st, 23rd, and 25th at the Carklin Library located at 174 Burke Street in downtown Stockbridge. This event will also include opportunities to digitize your personal photos and documents of your own records. [3:34:13, 3:34:20]: Scan day is free and open to the public. Registration is required. For more information, contact Starbury's Main Street office or Carklin Library. [3:34:22, 3:34:42]: And we'll talk of further um meetings and announcements. It will include uh council meetings are held in the city council chamber. Meeting dates, location, and times of subject change. We'll contact city hall offices at 770-389-7900. Or visit the website at www.starbridgega.org for updates. Planning commission meeting third. [3:34:42, 3:35:02]: Thursday of each month, 6 30 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, December 19th. Stockbridge Citizens Police Advisory Council meeting first Thursday of each month at 6:30 p.m. Stockbridge Police Community Room, 4545 North Henry Boulevard, January 2nd. Community Zoning and Information Meeting, Thursday, January 2nd from 6 p.m. to [3:35:01, 3:35:21]: 7 p.m. the City Hall Council Chambers. The U Council meeting first Monday of each month at 6:30 p.m. City City Hall Levi Meeting Room January 6th. City Council meeting, second Monday of each month, January 13th, 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers. The Main Street Advisory Board meetings on second Friday of each month at 9 a.m. [3:35:21, 3:35:41]: Location in Downtown Connection Center, 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, January 10th. City Council Retreat meeting January 8th and 9 o'clock AM Mural Manors Conference Center, 111 Davis Road. Citywide Development Authority meeting the second Tuesday of each month at City Hall in the Levi Meeting Room at 6 p.m. January. [3:35:41, 3:36:01]: January 14th. The Downtown Development Authority meeting third Tuesday of each month at the Downtown Devent Connection Center, 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, January 21st. U Council Advisory Committee meeting, 6:30 p.m. third Tuesday of each month. The Levi Meeting Room, City Hall, January 21st. City Council works [3:36:01, 3:36:21]: Session meeting held on the last Tuesday of each month, the 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, January 28th. Upcoming city events and initiatives. Join Councilman Thomas for the monthly bingo bash on Wednesday, January 15th from 10 a.m. to 12 noon. Merlomena's conference center. Lots of fun to be had by all. Join Councilman Elton and Alexander if we could. [3:36:21, 3:36:41]: Community cleanup date Saturday, January 18th, from 9 a.m. to eleven uh a.m. Location to be determined. Join Mayor Anthony Ford for the monthly meet the mayor on Tuesday, January twenty eighth from ten a.m. to twelve noon, city hall, and in meetings or by appointment. Councilman Thomas is on and veterans and continuous salute to all year long. Please send your pictures. [3:36:41, 3:37:01]: of veterans and their name, branch, rank, and years of service. And that'll go to Roslyn Rawls. Join Calcman Thomas, if you don't uh don't trash Stockbridge initiatives centered around education, highlighting the causes and effects of littering, illegal dumping, and more information to follow, please contact Rosalind Rawls to schedule an appointment to meet the mayor for [3:37:01, 3:37:21]: For more information on council initiatives and events at 678-833-3348 or by way of email, ralls at stopbridgega.org. And my comments for this evening deal with the fact that this is December flu season. Take your flu shot, take your COVID boast boosters, you need to be healthy. Saspect, happy holidays, happy new year. [3:37:21, 3:37:41]: Hopefully we'll have a great prosperous New Year in this aspect. So everybody be healthy, enjoy your your holidays with your family, family, friends, and uh and uh and have a safe uh entry into New Year. And on that note, uh Council, we actually have uh Zeke session that deals with uh primary real estate uh in this aspect. So I need a motion to go into Zechar. [3:37:41, 3:37:42]: Echo session, please. [3:37:44, 3:37:51]: Okay, for real estate matters there s is there a second to that. [3:37:52, 3:38:03]: I s I second. Where uh we I second. Okay, on fair please indicate. Okay, it's that uh three of you here. We'll go into the second session of real estate. We'll back shortly, ladies and gentlemen. [3:38:15, 3:38:15]: Mm-hmm. [3:38:47, 3:39:00]: Okay, uh clerks in play in place. All right, uh Council, I need a motion to end the second session, please. So move. Okay, for Mr. Alexander. Okay. Mr. Barrett, second down, all in favor, please indicate. [3:39:00, 3:39:08]: All right unanimous decision there with three votes. Uh now I need a motion to reconvene our our city council uh work session, please. [3:39:08, 3:39:10]: So move. Mr. Berry. [3:39:10, 3:39:12]: I second. Ms. Gantt second then offered to present the case. [3:39:13, 3:39:15]: And from our executive session we have um [3:39:16, 3:39:21]: We have something we need to bring forward and uh Mr Quinn Washington, please. [3:39:21, 3:39:22]: Yeah. [3:39:24, 3:39:25]: Oh put your mic on, please, sir. [3:39:27, 3:39:39]: There's been a request that at one sixteen Davis Road that we transfer the property to the downtown development authority for habitat community for habitat for humanity um proposing the [3:39:40, 3:40:00]: For Habitat for Humanity proposal. The proposal is to subdivide and build two homes with an MOU with this consistent with Council's conditions that I will outline and a development agreement. Council's conditions are a two-car garage, brick front with fence, and the property is [3:40:00, 3:40:13]: uh the property's track is noted as S one eight dash zero two zero three three zero zero and any variances will be approved administratively by the community department, the Community Development Department Director. [3:40:14, 3:40:34]: Sir, I'd like to say I'd like to um motion to approve this and to thank Henry County for allocating the funding to make these projects come to fruition and to thank Habitat Humanity for bringing affordable homes to downtown Stockbridge. Is there a second? I second. Ms. Gasang, please indicate Shinel's to see. [3:40:34, 3:40:54]: Decision on that note. Thank you very much. Now, Council, I need a motion to end our meeting for 2024. So moved. So moved. Ms. Gantt and Mr. Berry, all in favor of presentation. All right. Good night, everybody. Happy. [3:41:04, 3:41:04]: Okay, this is