2021-03-08 · City Council · Transcript · City Council Meeting Via Zoom

--- title: March 8 2021 City Council Meeting Via Zoom date: 2021-03-08 source: 2021-03-08_March_8_2021_City_Council_Meeting_Via_Zoom.wav --- [0:00:16, 0:00:19]: I'm sorry. Webinar is now live. [0:01:01, 0:01:03]: You're muted, Mr. Mayor. [0:01:07, 0:01:11]: Vanessa, I'm sorry, I was muted myself. I need your help, Vanessa. [0:01:11, 0:01:13]: The sixteenth of March. [0:01:14, 0:01:22]: Which is actually the voting day. Is that only at uh the elections office or is that at several locations around the the county? [0:01:29, 0:01:32]: Okay. She must not be able to hear me. [0:01:35, 0:01:35]: Vanessa? [0:01:36, 0:01:37]: Maybe she can't hear me. [0:01:49, 0:01:52]: Councilman Thomas, how you doing, sir? Alrighty. [0:01:53, 0:01:57]: Ms. Gance on Vanessa, can you hear me? [0:02:13, 0:02:17]: She can't hear at the moment. I'm working with her now to fix that. Okay. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. [0:02:18, 0:02:19]: How you doing, Mr. Blount? [0:02:22, 0:02:24]: Hello, sir. Good evening, everyone. [0:03:04, 0:03:04]: Yeah. [0:03:18, 0:03:20]: And ladies and gentlemen, we are now live on Facebook as well. [0:03:40, 0:03:44]: Mr. Bond, is Vanessa's volume straightened out yet? [0:03:48, 0:03:51]: Not yet. I'm just not remote and search machine. Okay, thank you. [0:04:05, 0:04:25]: Okay, are you able to hear me now? Let me see if I can hear you, Mayor Ford. Absolutely, I can hear you. Okay, thank you. I hear you as well. Well, good deal. Uh I was trying to ask you earlier. Um on the 16th of March for the that's election day. Is that is that election only held at the registration office? [0:04:25, 0:04:27]: office of Madonna or do we have multiple sites around the county? [0:04:28, 0:04:36]: On election day, you go to your normal polling place. Okay. On election day. That that answers the question then. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Okay. [0:04:36, 0:04:40]: And on that note, I have uh six o'clock and [0:04:40, 0:04:44]: We have a quorum. Everybody is present. [0:04:44, 0:04:52]: Okay. So we just start I'm like to call this uh March eighth council meeting to order. I have six o'clock. [0:04:52, 0:04:57]: And uh invocation. Uh Councilwoman Gantt could you please give the invocation? [0:04:58, 0:05:00]: Yes, thank you. [0:05:00, 0:05:01]: Maybe bar heads. [0:05:04, 0:05:07]: Father God, we please give us strength and wisdom. [0:05:07, 0:05:09]: To guide our decisions. [0:05:10, 0:05:10]: And put [0:05:11, 0:05:13]: Our love for our city first. [0:05:14, 0:05:18]: Surround us with people from all walks of life and many backgrounds. [0:05:20, 0:05:25]: We ask that you be with us and allow us to make the right decisions. [0:05:25, 0:05:28]: not for ourselves, but for [0:05:28, 0:05:30]: The city of Stockbridge. [0:05:31, 0:05:32]: We pray for integrity. [0:05:33, 0:05:39]: that we have the best interest of the city of Stockbridge, our citizens, our country, and our nation. [0:05:40, 0:05:47]: Father God, we also ask that you pray for those families that have lost loved ones during this awful pandemic. [0:05:48, 0:05:50]: We pray that you grant us wisdom. [0:05:51, 0:05:52]: And keep us. [0:05:52, 0:05:54]: safe during these times. [0:05:55, 0:05:56]: In your name we pray. Amen. [0:05:57, 0:05:58]: Amen. [0:05:59, 0:06:00]: Amen. [0:06:00, 0:06:04]: Okay, pledge of allegiance. Uh please stand for pledge of allegiance, ladies and gentlemen. [0:06:07, 0:06:20]: Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic where it stands, nation, under God, undervisable, with liberty and justice for all. [0:06:23, 0:06:25]: Roll call, Madam Kirk, please. [0:06:29, 0:06:31]: Mayor Ford. Was it [0:06:32, 0:06:33]: Mayor Pro Tem Alexander. [0:06:34, 0:06:34]: Where is it? [0:06:35, 0:06:36]: Councilwoman Barber. [0:06:37, 0:06:38]: Present. [0:06:38, 0:06:39]: Councilman Blount. [0:06:40, 0:06:40]: Present. [0:06:41, 0:06:42]: Councilwoman Gantt. [0:06:43, 0:06:43]: Present. [0:06:43, 0:06:45]: Councilman Thomas. [0:06:45, 0:06:46]: Present. [0:06:46, 0:06:47]: Mayor Ford, do you have a quorum? [0:06:48, 0:06:53]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. I appreciate that. Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:06:54, 0:06:56]: So moved. Is there a second? [0:06:58, 0:07:02]: Castleman Blount, second Zette, got his hand there. All in favor, please indicate. [0:07:03, 0:07:05]: Yeah, see you announced decision. Thank you very much. [0:07:06, 0:07:10]: What we have before you council, we have several different uh meeting minutes uh for approval. [0:07:11, 0:07:14]: The January eleventh uh meeting council work, excuse me, council uh [0:07:15, 0:07:17]: uh meeting on on January eleventh. [0:07:18, 0:07:23]: uh the actual um special call meeting on january fifteenth. [0:07:24, 0:07:35]: And then the council work session, which was on uh January twenty-sixth. If there are no changes to this, but these any of these agendas, or excuse me, any of these minutes, then I need a motion to approve them, please. [0:07:37, 0:07:41]: Oh move. Okay, Mayor Pro Tem second made that motion is a second. [0:07:41, 0:07:46]: Mr. Blount, do I see your hand second? Mr. Blount, second that again. All right, appreciate it. All in favor, please indicate. [0:07:47, 0:07:49]: All right, fantastic. All right. [0:07:50, 0:07:55]: What I have next, ladies and gentlemen, is a proclamation honoring Women's History Month, the month of March. [0:07:56, 0:08:02]: From the first settlers who came to our shores, from the first American Indian families who befriended them. [0:08:03, 0:08:06]: Men and women have worked together to build this nation. [0:08:06, 0:08:11]: Too often the women were unsung and sometimes the contributions were unnoticed. [0:08:11, 0:08:21]: But the achievements, leadership, courage, strength, and love of the women who built America was vital as that much of the men whose names we know so well. [0:08:22, 0:08:34]: This was President Jimmy Carter's message uh designating March second to March eighth, uh, nineteen eighty as National Women's History Week. This is a quote from him. I'll continue on to proclamation. [0:08:34, 0:08:39]: Whereas every year March is designated Women's History Month by presidential proclamation. [0:08:40, 0:09:00]: The month is set aside to honor women's contributions in American history. And whereas Women's History Month began as a local celebration in Santa Rosa, California, the Education Task Force of Sonoma County, California Commission on the Status of Women planned and executed a Women's History Week celebration of 1915. [0:09:00, 0:09:01]: Yeah. [0:09:01, 0:09:14]: The organizers selected the week of March 8th to correspond with International Women's Day. The movement spread across the country as other communities initiated their own Women's History Week celebrations the following year. [0:09:14, 0:09:25]: And whereas in February nineteen eighty, President Jimmy Carter issued the first presidential proclamation declaring the week of March eighth, nineteen eighty, as National Women's History Week. [0:09:26, 0:09:30]: And where subsequently presidents continue to proclaim in National H women's History Week. [0:09:31, 0:09:33]: In March until nineteen eighty seven. [0:09:33, 0:09:36]: When Congress passed public law one hundred dash nine. [0:09:36, 0:09:39]: Designating March as a women's history month. [0:09:39, 0:09:57]: And whereas the women's excuse me, whereas the National Women's History Alliance selects and publishes the yearly theme, the theme of Women's History Month for 2021 captures the spirit of these challenging times. Since many of the women's suffrage centennial celebrations originally scheduled for 2020 were curtailed. [0:09:57, 0:10:00]: The National Women's History Alliance is extending the annual theme. [0:10:01, 0:10:11]: For 2021, vigilant women of the vote, refusing to be silenced. Now, therefore, I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority invested in me as the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:10:12, 0:10:17]: And on behalf of city council members Elton Alexander, Yolanda Barber, John Blount, Lakeesa Gantt and Afonso Thomas. [0:10:17, 0:10:36]: to hereby proclaim March twenty twenty one as Women's History Month in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. A witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand on the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the eighth day of March of our year of our Lord, two thousand twenty one. I signed this along with our clerk for Nessa Holliday. [0:10:36, 0:10:41]: Congratulations, lady. We what we wish you well and honor you this month. [0:10:41, 0:10:46]: Actually we should men we should honor them every day of every year, but they have their own special month as well. [0:10:46, 0:10:52]: On that note, um what we have next would be any type of public comments. [0:10:52, 0:10:56]: Uh Ms. Holliday, do we have any public comments at all? There are no public comments, sir. [0:10:56, 0:10:57]: Okay. [0:10:57, 0:11:00]: Uh so we have a public hearing. [0:11:00, 0:11:20]: And the public hearing deals the first one deals with council consideration to approve the final adoption of 2020 to 2025 short-term work program and capital improvement element SCWP slash CIE presented by Mr. Knight. Go ahead, sir, please. Yes, Mayor and Council. Uh thank you this evening. Uh this is the [0:11:20, 0:11:24]: um short term work program capital improvement element. [0:11:24, 0:11:30]: This document you've seen before, uh, you transmitted this uh back, I believe, in uh January. [0:11:30, 0:11:35]: to the Atlanta Regional Commission and then the Department of Community Affairs. [0:11:35, 0:11:38]: Uh the process is once you transmit it. [0:11:38, 0:11:43]: Uh they review it for completeness and they provide their approval. [0:11:44, 0:11:48]: Which they have. Uh nothing has changed. There was one item [0:11:48, 0:11:51]: on there where something got transposed and [0:11:51, 0:11:57]: It did not get uh the actual project name was not in there, but all of the funds were in there. That was a very minor change. [0:11:58, 0:12:00]: Which they asked us to make, I think it was more of a [0:12:00, 0:12:02]: Either a scriveners or typo error. [0:12:03, 0:12:08]: We've made that change uh and now the process is that you we request that you adopt it. [0:12:08, 0:12:11]: And it becomes a part. [0:12:11, 0:12:16]: of our updated uh annual short-term work program in CIE. [0:12:17, 0:12:37]: Uh thank you, sir. And this states is a public hearing. So obviously this is something that I need to open up, open and potentially close for any comments from the public if that's the case. So uh Mr. Uh Quentin, I believe that is what I need to do at this point, since it's a public hearing. And if that is the case, I'd like to open up this public hearing and reference. [0:12:37, 0:12:38]: two this um [0:12:38, 0:12:51]: the final adoption of the 2020 to 2025 short-term work program. So are there any comments from the citizens uh that may have a comment for any positive comments uh that you would want to say at this time. [0:12:52, 0:12:53]: Any anybody at all? [0:12:55, 0:12:56]: Yeah. [0:12:56, 0:12:58]: Yes, ma'am. Yes, sir. Who's we spoke? [0:12:58, 0:13:14]: It might be helpful. We just, you know, we use a lot of jargon sometimes. The public might not actually know what this is. So it would be helpful maybe if the staff could give a brief summary of what's going on. Because I mean we say short-term work program, they might not know what this is. [0:13:15, 0:13:28]: All right. Well, thank you very much. I'm gonna go back to you, Mr. Mr. Knighton, for further explanation. Okay, sure. Thank you. Okay. Sure. The short-term work program and capital improvement element are essentially a part of an overall comprehensive plan. [0:13:28, 0:13:32]: which the uh city uh adopted a couple of years ago. [0:13:33, 0:13:41]: And basically, every year you provide an annual update to that comprehensive plan, short-term work program, and capital improvement element. All of the projects. [0:13:42, 0:13:46]: Infrastructure projects, public works projects, civic um projects. [0:13:46, 0:13:51]: uh should be a part of that overall uh short term work program and in CIE. [0:13:52, 0:14:04]: And basically it's a five-year window and it provides an estimated funding amount and funding source of how those projects are going to be planned and how those projects are going to be paid for. [0:14:04, 0:14:08]: Something that's done annually. It's required by ARC Atlanta Regional Commission. [0:14:09, 0:14:12]: And then the Department of Community Affairs, DCA, will review it. [0:14:13, 0:14:16]: Uh, which they've done. Uh they've provided their approval. [0:14:16, 0:14:19]: And now the process is that it comes back for actual adoption. [0:14:20, 0:14:28]: Um, it is a guide for us as we go forward uh with the capital projects, infrastructure projects, how they're going to be funded. [0:14:28, 0:14:30]: Via splast, via general fund. [0:14:30, 0:14:33]: Um, beer other mechanisms, bonding, grants, etcetera. [0:14:36, 0:14:36]: Thank you, sir. [0:14:37, 0:14:57]: Um okay. I'd like to go back to the phone to open up the public hearing. If there are any questions for any um citizens that or concerns they may have, or I'll say open it up and any comments for uh this particular uh program, yeah, for this for us to approve this night. Any any comments for any citizens? And uh I [0:14:58, 0:15:18]: I don't see anything at this point. Okay. If there are any comments against this particular program for the next five years, the projects that we have. Any any comments against? Once again, I don't see any. So since I don't see any for or against, then um I will close the public hearing and I'll take this to the council for. [0:15:18, 0:15:23]: or any type of concerns they may have and or a motion to accept the this process. [0:15:24, 0:15:25]: Yes, Mayor Pro Tem. [0:15:27, 0:15:29]: You're you're muted, may I protect? [0:15:29, 0:15:49]: Thank you. Sorry about that now. I just want to say briefly to the public so you understand thoroughly what we're talking about here. Uh projects like uh the amphitheater, the culture arts center, uh, the youth senior recreation center. This city has endeavored and we have put together a comprehensive plan to spell out. [0:15:49, 0:16:06]: uh all of the projects uh in intense in in intense form so that we can uh have a plan for the city. Um uh miss maybe Mr. Knight might better add a little bit more to that. We uh actually passed our first uh independent uh [0:16:06, 0:16:26]: uh comprehensive plan in the history of the city. We previously did this uh in coordination with Henry County, but uh we wanted to have a detailed plan and we put that together uh for the city to make sure that we charted the course. So you know the public wants to understand that sometimes they say, well we don't we don't understand where this coming from. [0:16:26, 0:16:27]: What that comes? [0:16:28, 0:16:31]: Take a look at what it is that we have on our comprehensive plan. [0:16:32, 0:16:35]: And you can see where the vision is for the city. [0:16:36, 0:16:39]: Thank you, appreciate that. Any any other comments from yes uh [0:16:39, 0:16:45]: Councilman Gantt go ahead. Councilman Gantt clear, please. Well, before I make a motion, I want to um [0:16:45, 0:16:58]: But Miss Braggs is trying to get on. I need IT to know she's trying to get on. She's on the outside comp trying to get in. Um, I would like to make a motion to approve this for the on this item on the agenda tonight. [0:16:59, 0:17:00]: Okay, is there a second? [0:17:01, 0:17:05]: Sorry, uh miss I got Miss Barber, uh Council one barber, I saw her hand. [0:17:06, 0:17:09]: Okay. Any further she seconds that any further conversation? [0:17:10, 0:17:12]: Yes. Yes, uh Councilman Blanc, go ahead, please. [0:17:12, 0:17:18]: Mayor, I also want the um the public to to be aware that when we talk about [0:17:18, 0:17:23]: A comprehensive plan for the city and the direction we would like the city the city to go. [0:17:23, 0:17:39]: Uh besides that, in that direction, we're also gonna be uh taxed with having a plan in place versus funding and how we move about doing these projects and bringing this to fruition uh pertaining to the comprehensive plan. [0:17:40, 0:17:53]: This doesn't say that. This is just showing the vision of what we want to do with the city. Uh by no means this is in agreement to anything we've done for as funding for these projects or any of this plan. I just want to make that clear. [0:17:55, 0:17:57]: All right, sir. Appreciate that. Any other comments from the council at all? [0:17:58, 0:18:04]: Okay, seeing none. So okay, we have a motion on the floor. It's been a motion is made by Ms. Gantt, second by um [0:18:04, 0:18:11]: Uh uh Councilman Barber. Uh Councilman Barber, second that. As so if no further discussion, all favor motion, please indicate. [0:18:12, 0:18:14]: Okay, you now see thank you very much. Okay. [0:18:15, 0:18:17]: We'll move on. Once again, this is a public hearing. [0:18:17, 0:18:33]: Next topic, council consideration to prove uh rezoning case RZ 2020-02. Applicant Neil Cobell uh requests the rezoning of certain property from RA residential architectural articultural. [0:18:33, 0:18:36]: district to our three single family residential district. [0:18:37, 0:18:40]: To allow for the development of a single family residential subdivision. [0:18:41, 0:18:44]: The property is located in land lot twenty nine of district seven. [0:18:44, 0:18:47]: Within the Starbury city limits along the southeast corner. [0:18:48, 0:19:07]: of Brandon Road and North Selman uh uh uh Salem Road Drive. It contains 73.71 total acres, which previously consisted of five parcels. The Planning Commission approved the recombination of the five parcels to form just one parcel at its last meeting on December 17, 2020. [0:19:07, 0:19:13]: This occurred via recombination plant case RC dash 2020-03. [0:19:13, 0:19:33]: Which had the same applicant as the rezoning the rezoning case. For the record, the parcels were as follows: 732 Brandon Road, parcel uh 088-02049000, 664 Brandon Road, parcel 00, excuse me, 088. [0:19:33, 0:19:37]: Zero two zero five zero zero zero zero. [0:19:37, 0:19:57]: Um 618 Brandon Road parcel 088 Dash 02051000 Large parcel on Brandon Road Um parcel 00 excuse me zero eight eight zero two zero four nine zero zero five a small parcel on North Salem Drive parcel [0:19:57, 0:20:00]: zero eight eight that's zero two zero. [0:20:00, 0:20:02]: Flour four five zero zero zero. [0:20:02, 0:20:06]: And this is going to be presented tonight by Mr. Knighton, please. [0:20:09, 0:20:21]: Yes, Mayor Ford, thank you. Um Linda Logan, the senior planner, is on. I will allow her to go through a presentation that will speak to uh the proposal in more detail, including. [0:20:21, 0:20:40]: Some aerial photographs, location maps, and also uh relevant items in the staff report, including the staff recommendation. So I'll turn it over to Linda and I believe she will be sharing her screen to provide a presentation to the panel here and to the viewing audience as well. [0:20:49, 0:20:51]: Linda, you may need to unmute Linda. [0:20:51, 0:20:52]: Thank you, muted. [0:21:03, 0:21:05]: Linda, I believe you're muted. [0:21:07, 0:21:09]: Here we go. Is that better? Right. Yes, thank you. [0:21:10, 0:21:30]: Okay, everyone can see this now. So this is the cover page here. Um proposal to to rezone a property from RA Residential Agricultural to R3 Single Family Uh Residential. And this was presented to the Planning Commission on February 25 recently, and then here we are tonight on March. [0:21:30, 0:21:30]: March eight. [0:21:31, 0:21:33]: So first to show uh [0:21:34, 0:21:37]: where the property is located. This is a city zoning map. [0:21:37, 0:21:57]: And the property is down here in the southeast corner. This uh yellow parcel here. I have a couple of enlargements. I'm sure everyone's probably familiar with the area. I'll just go through this quickly. It's this um parcel here and even further here, and it shows the it how it was used to be the five parcels as you can see. [0:21:57, 0:22:01]: see here. This will this here is an existing cell tower that is to remain. [0:22:02, 0:22:13]: Here's an aerial photograph of the area. We have Brandon Road straight up and down and North Salem Drive here. And that's where the cell tower is. And then the property is in this area. [0:22:16, 0:22:20]: We have uh some enlargements in this aerial photo here. [0:22:20, 0:22:25]: Uh I'll just go through these quickly. It shows all the surrounding parcels. [0:22:25, 0:22:27]: Okay, this was um [0:22:28, 0:22:33]: discussed more during the recombination. The applicant submitted this survey of the property. [0:22:34, 0:22:52]: Uh here is an aerial photo of the surrounding area. Brandon Road is is here in the center. Here's the part subject parcel. We have Clark Meadows subdivision across the street, Moss Point subdivision, Summit at Eagles Landing here, Highlands at Eagles Landing. [0:22:52, 0:22:53]: Um [0:22:53, 0:22:55]: Is a summit uh [0:22:55, 0:23:04]: Uh Westminster subdivision over in this area, these are in the in the county outside of city limits. Crown Walk, Mount Most Point. [0:23:05, 0:23:25]: Uh let's see. So again, rezoning request um is by Neil Koble, uh Developers Liberty Communities. We have a traffic engineer, uh Mark Akampora, attorney's battle law. Um, so the request is rezone the uh the property is said from RA to R3. The proposed name is [0:23:24, 0:23:37]: the reserve at Hickory Hills. Those are the five parcels that were listed. Signs were posted last year. This case was deferred a couple of times by the Planning Commission. [0:23:37, 0:23:43]: Um and two private community meetings were held on January twenty-first and February eighteenth. [0:23:46, 0:24:06]: Okay, we've covered some of this already. So surrounding zoning, um Clark Meadows subdivision across the street, zone PD plan development. That's an old category. The city no longer has that, but at that time included R3 and R3. So Clark Meadows is a combination of those two zoning districts. [0:24:06, 0:24:21]: Moss Point adjacent to it, zone R2, and we have some RA districts around it. The future land use map shows low density residential for this site. It allows 1.5 to two units per acre. [0:24:22, 0:24:30]: Um, there were no previous rezoning cases that were found. Um, where the cell tower is located was annexed in the city in 2004. [0:24:31, 0:24:44]: The R3 district and purpose it allows smaller lots as plant part of a planned development as long as it has public sewer. There is not public sewer there now, but the developer plans to extend it to the site. [0:24:44, 0:24:51]: Minimum lot requirements at least 12,000 square feet and um overall size is 75 feet wide. [0:24:52, 0:24:57]: And for each uh lot, minimum house size is 1050 square feet. [0:24:58, 0:25:02]: Uh the property has a floodplain near the center of the property. [0:25:03, 0:25:12]: Um, there are rural and agricultural uses surrounding it. Here's a few of the signs that we posted on property. This one's at North Salem Drive. [0:25:13, 0:25:17]: Um this one's near near the cell tower. [0:25:18, 0:25:24]: There's a silo on the property just as a reference. The further down the street, this one's across from Moss Point subdivision. [0:25:25, 0:25:27]: Here is the latest site plan that the [0:25:28, 0:25:42]: uh developer the applicant has submitted to us this is br Brandon road here up and down uh for reference spray berry drive comes comes in here north salem drive up here at the top um [0:25:42, 0:25:55]: There is uh floodplain areas here in the center. So the main access point or the only access point would be here. Now this is uh south of Spray Ray Drive, so around the center of the property. [0:25:55, 0:25:59]: Okay, I'll go be going into some more detail about that. [0:25:59, 0:26:16]: Um this is just a general um view of how it might look from the air with the two two um amenate areas proposed. One have an existing pond in the southwest corner, there'd be amenities here, and then some other amenities here in the center. [0:26:19, 0:26:35]: All right, here's an enlargement of the entrance area, Brandon Road. It would be a boulevard style divided and there would be turn lanes here provided on on Brandon Road. There would be some plantings and the monument sign. [0:26:35, 0:26:36]: Um [0:26:36, 0:26:38]: Here at the corner. [0:26:38, 0:26:39]: Oh. [0:26:40, 0:26:52]: All right. One other thing I want to mention back here on the site plan, very important. These 11 lots here fronting on Brandon Road, starting here from this corner lot, from here. [0:26:53, 0:26:58]: Down here into the corner, these eleven lots, they would all have at least fifteen thousand square feet. [0:26:59, 0:27:05]: a front of John to Brandon Road, the same as what is in the most point subdivision across the street. [0:27:07, 0:27:27]: Okay, so as I said, acceleration decelerations, the lanes would be provided at the entrance. Um, I mentioned about the 11 lots. A homeowners association would maintain the common areas, amenities, and landscaping along Brandon Road. There would be 50-foot-wide buffer surrounding the property and a fence at the northern property line. Um [0:27:27, 0:27:39]: Henry County Water Authority said water service is available, but the developer would be required to extend a sewer line to the site and that easements might need to be obtained. [0:27:40, 0:28:00]: All right, this is an enlargement of um some information on a site plan. There would be 139 unit lots and 139 uh units of houses, minimum lot width 75 feet, minimum lot area 12,000 square feet. The average lot area 14,086. So this is more. [0:28:00, 0:28:08]: More than the minimum lot size of 12,000, there would be some lots, 12,000, but there would also be some that would be much larger. [0:28:09, 0:28:17]: Uh 20,000 or so uh square feet. Minimum front setback 50 feet, side yard setback 10 feet, rear 40 feet. [0:28:19, 0:28:30]: Uh the density, gross density, 1.89 units per acre. Uh net density. Now this is accounting for the floodplain areas where they cannot build on 3.09. [0:28:30, 0:28:33]: Опан спас almost twenty acres. [0:28:33, 0:28:37]: Um okay, total site area about 73 acres. [0:28:37, 0:28:42]: And net developable area net developable area about 45 acres. [0:28:44, 0:28:53]: Some of this I've covered already. Let's see. So 139 lots. Yeah, the home sizes applicant proposes to build 2,000 square foot homes. [0:28:54, 0:29:02]: Even though um district allows homes that are about half of that size, uh 1050 remember is the minimum um [0:29:02, 0:29:03]: Requirement. [0:29:04, 0:29:21]: Average lot size 14,086. Some lots would have 12,000. About half would have be be between 15 and 20,000. I mentioned about the 11 lots and also the uh sizes of all the lots, the uh width, width and and so forth. [0:29:22, 0:29:42]: Here's a diagram that the applicant provided to show a comparison of the lot sizes of this proposed subdivision, Hickory Hills, versus what exists at the Clark Meadows across the street. This first diagram shows Hickory Hills, and they would have proposed lot size, the minimum 12,000. [0:29:41, 0:30:01]: Square feet. Remember, some would be bigger, and there would be 20 feet in between the homes. Over here we have existing in Clark Meadows subdivision, a minimum size, lot size, only 7,500 square feet, and only 10 feet between homes. So we superimpose. [0:30:01, 0:30:02]: [1802.9, 1809.7]: the Hickory Hill subdivision on top of Clark Meadows. You see the difference here. I don't know what just happened. [0:30:10, 0:30:11]: Uh the green is the [0:30:12, 0:30:16]: Proposed subdivision and then the pink is is Clark Meadows. [0:30:19, 0:30:30]: All right, the amenities again community center will be located in the center. We would have a swimming pool with a shade structure, pavilion, open lawn area, walking trail, playground, a fire pit. [0:30:31, 0:30:34]: Plus a parking lot with forty seven parking spaces. [0:30:34, 0:30:38]: Um I'll show that in a moment and a pond area, pond amenity area. [0:30:39, 0:30:40]: At the southwest corner. [0:30:40, 0:30:41]: Um would have [0:30:42, 0:30:45]: Walking trail, pavilion, boachy ball courts, a fire print. [0:30:45, 0:30:47]: Pit and a male kiosk. [0:30:48, 0:30:51]: Okay, all homes would have brick on all four sides. [0:30:53, 0:30:54]: Okay. [0:30:54, 0:31:00]: This is an enlargement of the community center amenities near the center of the property. [0:31:00, 0:31:04]: Again, it would have open lawn, pavilion, fire playground. [0:31:04, 0:31:05]: Cool. [0:31:05, 0:31:09]: Uh a two thousand square feet and shade structure and in the parking area. [0:31:10, 0:31:10]: Here. [0:31:13, 0:31:24]: This is an enlargement of the pond area amenities. Um it would have a walking trail uh from here toward the pond, which has a [0:31:24, 0:31:25]: Has a dock on it. [0:31:27, 0:31:28]: Uh existing wetlands. [0:31:29, 0:31:33]: Uh would have a pavilion, fire print, the boche ball courts and a male kiosk. [0:31:34, 0:31:36]: Here's a photograph showing um [0:31:37, 0:31:42]: An idea of what everything would look like, the proposed sign called the reserve at Hickory Hills. [0:31:43, 0:31:44]: And um [0:31:44, 0:31:57]: The community center here, these are plantings along the street on Brandon Road and some sample types of trees, bald cypress, cypress, cherry largo, laurel, cherry laurel, cryptomeria, and [0:31:58, 0:31:58]: It's um [0:31:59, 0:32:00]: Cedar and Magnolia. [0:32:01, 0:32:04]: This is what uh playground might look like. [0:32:06, 0:32:09]: And what the fire pits might look like. [0:32:10, 0:32:13]: And this is a picture of a boat boche ball court. [0:32:15, 0:32:18]: Okay, now a traffic impact study was prepared. [0:32:18, 0:32:27]: uh recently by Mark Ankopura, um uh PE traffic engineer on January twenty. That's just uh [0:32:27, 0:32:28]: Cover page. [0:32:29, 0:32:35]: Some of the findings of the study. Now this was based on the originally proposed 147 new homes. [0:32:36, 0:32:48]: Um, traffic counts were taken on January 7 at the proposed subdivision entrance during morning and afternoon peak hours, and two intersection analyses were made at Brandon Road and North Salem Drive. [0:32:49, 0:32:51]: And also Brandon Rhoda Spray Ray Drive. [0:32:52, 0:32:55]: Adjustment factors were made to account for [0:32:55, 0:32:58]: The pandemic and school not being open right now. [0:32:58, 0:33:11]: And also taking into consideration county and state requirements, planned transportation improvements. Um, that includes uh widening of highway 42 from downtown Mc McDonald uh through this area. [0:33:12, 0:33:15]: And uh travel pattern changes in the foreseeable future. [0:33:16, 0:33:17]: Due to the pandemic. [0:33:17, 0:33:30]: So the study said that existing traffic operations of vicinity were excellent, including intersection turning movements. Traffic volume growth has been minimal and is this is expected to continue. [0:33:30, 0:33:44]: Um, the subdivision was expected to generate 109 new morning peak hour trips and 147 afternoon peak hour trips, total of 1482. Now remember this was based on the 147 homes originally. [0:33:45, 0:33:50]: Only minor traffic increases intersection delays are expected due to subdivision. [0:33:51, 0:33:59]: Um Henry County and Georgia DOT would require that acceleration decelerations would be installed, and a site plan is already showing that. [0:33:59, 0:34:05]: And no other improvement traffic improvements are needed now or in the near future after subdivision is built. [0:34:06, 0:34:21]: This is a staff analysis, suitability of proposed subdivision. So we said that it's unlikely, and this information is in our staff report, it's unlikely that the property would develop into additional rural, residential, or agricultural uses due to its location. [0:34:22, 0:34:29]: Subdivision would be a reasonable use of the property due to the proximity of several other subdivisions adjacent to and surrounding the property. [0:34:30, 0:34:34]: Subdivision would meet the density requirements of the property's future land use plan. [0:34:34, 0:34:37]: Now so far as the suitability of the requested R three district. [0:34:38, 0:34:50]: So applicant would be able to develop the subdivision under R3 by if a sewer line is extended to the property according to the Henry County Water Authority's requirements. [0:34:50, 0:35:00]: And R three would allow the subdivision to have lots that are similar and comparable to lot sizes in Clark Meadows and Moss Point subdivisions, which already have a sewer lines. [0:35:01, 0:35:12]: uh propos suitability of proposed site plan. It would have a traditional design. There'd be no secondary access on North Salem Road, which um has very curvy, narrow, narrow road. [0:35:12, 0:35:17]: Uh the pond would be preserved and be a focal point for some amenities. [0:35:18, 0:35:23]: And the applicants proposing build many larger lots and larger homes than are required by R three. [0:35:24, 0:35:28]: About half the lots would have the minimum required size of twelve thousand square feet. [0:35:28, 0:35:36]: 11 lots along Brandon Road would have at least 15,000 square feet, and this would be compatible with the lots in Clark Meadows across the street. [0:35:37, 0:35:40]: All of the homes would have at least two thousand square feet. [0:35:40, 0:35:45]: making them almost double the of what the R three district requires, which is a thousand fifty. [0:35:45, 0:35:52]: Uh as far as impacts on pre adjacent properties, we're recommending a fence be installed along the northern property line. [0:35:54, 0:36:02]: Impacts on public schools. Um, the applicant did obtain a letter from Henry County Schools, McDonald District on October the 5th. [0:36:02, 0:36:10]: And uh they based uh their calculations on two students per residence and 25 students per classroom. [0:36:10, 0:36:23]: If there was 139 homes, 11 classrooms would be needed to serve an estimated 278 new students. However, cost of new classrooms would likely be offset by additional school taxes that subdivision residents would pay. [0:36:24, 0:36:31]: uh impacts on adjacent street. So the applicants, the trafficking study projects excellent traffic conditions, as I mentioned. [0:36:32, 0:36:40]: Uh turn lanes would be required, and the site plan is showing that. We recommend sidewalks be installed on at least one side of each street, internal street. [0:36:41, 0:36:43]: And as I said, uh waters is [0:36:44, 0:36:47]: sufficient of the site, but the sewer line needs to be extended. [0:36:48, 0:37:08]: Uh staff recommendations. I'm not gonna read all this, but it's here if you want to refer to it later. I'll just briefly mention a few things. We're recommending approval of request R3 zoning based on the following conditions. The site plan that the last latest site plan that was submitted, we're calling it a site plan number four that I showed showed before. [0:37:08, 0:37:08]: Four. [0:37:09, 0:37:12]: Um have some conditions here regarding the subdivision design. [0:37:13, 0:37:16]: The landscape design, these are all things that I already mentioned. [0:37:17, 0:37:18]: And um [0:37:18, 0:37:23]: Architectural design. I'll just stress that all homes should have a two-car garage at a minimum. [0:37:24, 0:37:28]: They should have be at least 2,000 square feet, have brick on all four sides. [0:37:29, 0:37:34]: and and have Xteries which further comply with the architectural standards in the zoning code. [0:37:35, 0:37:40]: And uh finally the res guarding procedural manners manners, the applicant will [0:37:41, 0:37:45]: Need to submit a subdivision application after this if this rezoning is approved. [0:37:46, 0:37:51]: And um then it will have plat will have to be recorded with the with the um county. [0:37:51, 0:37:58]: before any land disturbance or building permits may be issued. And there is a 18 period 18 month time limit. [0:37:59, 0:38:02]: uh uh for this project to um [0:38:02, 0:38:08]: uh to be built uh in order to retain this zoning classification if if the council chooses. [0:38:09, 0:38:10]: Are there any questions? [0:38:15, 0:38:21]: Thank you, Linda, for the presentation. Councilman, any questions? Yeah, Councilman Barber, you have a question for her. [0:38:21, 0:38:22]: Yes. [0:38:22, 0:38:23]: [2304.8, 2318.6]: A quick question. All the points you mentioned was the suggestion for sidewalks installed only on one side of the street. Is that based on the city's current um standards? [0:38:40, 0:38:46]: Well, we're saying that that's the minimum. I mean, we'd like to see it on both sides. Right. [0:38:46, 0:38:47]: Okay. [0:38:47, 0:38:48]: So [0:38:49, 0:38:53]: Do you know if this proposal will include sidewalks on both sides? [0:38:56, 0:39:00]: Uh, maybe the applicant would like to address that. I'm not [0:39:01, 0:39:03]: Is the applicant on? Of course. [0:39:06, 0:39:26]: Yes, this is a Michelle Battle with Battle Law, one West Court Square, Decatur, Georgia, 30030. Currently the site plan does show um sidewalks on only one side of the street because it was our understanding that that was what the requirement was. Um to the extent that um the city council would require. [0:39:25, 0:39:37]: uh sidewalks on both sides of the street. I'm sure that we will have to absorb that request, but um we had laid this out sidewalks only on one side based on the um current requirements of the city. [0:39:39, 0:39:44]: I certainly would would like to see sidewalks on both sides of the streets. That's just my opinion. [0:39:45, 0:39:46]: Yes, ma'am. [0:39:46, 0:39:47]: That's all I had. [0:39:48, 0:39:53]: Sure. And Michelle, also if you'd like to point out the sidewalks that we agreed to along the frontage. [0:39:54, 0:40:05]: Yes, we will also have um sidewalks along Brandon Road, um where we will be installing sidewalks um at the the width required by the city. [0:40:05, 0:40:08]: And the width is what what is what width do you rec recall that being? [0:40:09, 0:40:17]: Um I know that we had proposed and had been discussed to have a ten foot, I think it was a um to eight to ten foot width. [0:40:17, 0:40:21]: um sidewalks it would be more of a uh uh multi trail. [0:40:21, 0:40:22]: Yes, yeah. [0:40:23, 0:40:26]: And that's only along the Brandon Road as you're referring to? [0:40:26, 0:40:29]: Yes. And then we would have the internal sidewalk as well. [0:40:30, 0:40:32]: And internal sidewalks will be how wide? [0:40:33, 0:40:34]: Um [0:40:35, 0:40:39]: I think we have our whatever I believe they're fo I believe they're four feet wide. [0:40:41, 0:40:41]: C [0:40:43, 0:40:46]: Ms. Barber, you were done with your questions, Ms. Barber, at this point? [0:40:46, 0:40:58]: Actually I have um several questions to ask. Um but keeping with the sidewalks, um not really um supporting of the four feet sidewalk, if we can [0:40:58, 0:41:01]: Increase that that would be great. And to install [0:41:01, 0:41:05]: Two sidewalks per street on both sides. [0:41:05, 0:41:05]: Um [0:41:06, 0:41:11]: One other question I have and I don't know if the applicant was gonna do a presentation or not. [0:41:13, 0:41:14]: They should. [0:41:15, 0:41:15]: Yes. [0:41:15, 0:41:18]: Okay, well I'll hold questions until after. [0:41:19, 0:41:28]: Mayor Pro Tem uh Alexandra, go ahead, please. Yeah, this time should be reserved uh for staff questioning. I hope the applicant will begin and the uh those opposed. [0:41:29, 0:41:31]: will be given time to actually [0:41:31, 0:41:43]: I'll I'll I'll open up I'll open up the public meeting and and a uh public hearing in in a bit. They'll get the opportunity to speak. But go ahead with you. So what we need to do in this, uh Ms. Barber, is that we need to add that condition. [0:41:44, 0:41:47]: That uh both sides of the street have sidewalks, so certainly [0:41:47, 0:41:57]: uh I would support that. So that need to be an additional additional condition uh that we would add uh to this development to make sure that there are sidewalks [0:41:57, 0:42:01]: uh on both sides of the street. That is uh what the recommendation is. [0:42:01, 0:42:03]: And uh Miss Logan, a couple of questions. [0:42:03, 0:42:10]: Uh, so the public understands it is mandated now that they have a mail kiosk right by the post office. [0:42:13, 0:42:22]: And not check into those requirements. They've just shown a a kiosk uh male kiosk there. Of course they'd have to meet the city sign regulations. [0:42:23, 0:42:30]: Right. I thought there was a federal regulation that that the post office now was not issuing individual mailboxes any longer. [0:42:30, 0:42:33]: That they were issuing kiosks. That's a mandate, I believe. [0:42:34, 0:42:36]: I don't know. That's true. That that is true. [0:42:38, 0:42:48]: Okay. Uh so so that is not a decision that uh anybody would make'cause certainly I would make that a condition if they could get individual mailboxes, I certainly would request that. [0:42:48, 0:42:54]: But uh through the code now, the post office now is mandating that to make it easier on the mail delivery. [0:42:54, 0:42:58]: Uh whether w if you don't like that, we probably need to take that up with uh [0:42:59, 0:43:12]: with uh your congressman is or someone uh in Washington to see if we can get that change back because I know some of the residents are gonna be disappointed by that, but that is uh what the ruling is uh at this particular time. [0:43:13, 0:43:15]: Uh in terms of um [0:43:15, 0:43:23]: The total overall the staff is recommending approval of this at this point. And how did it was initial was the initial recommendation approval? [0:43:25, 0:43:38]: Um in the beginning we um suggested maybe R2 because of a smaller because it would um require larger LUTs, but the applicant has changed the site plan to [0:43:38, 0:43:50]: to uh make the those 11 lots along Brandon Road larger in order to make them compatible with the Clark Meadows subdivision across the street and also some other larger other lots. [0:43:50, 0:43:53]: on the property to be larger as well. So [0:43:53, 0:43:55]: So therefore we [0:43:55, 0:43:57]: feel more comfortable with that. [0:43:58, 0:44:07]: Okay. Even though the even though they're requesting R three to allow some lots to have the minimum twelve thousand, that there are at least half the lots would be larger than that. [0:44:08, 0:44:09]: Okay. [0:44:09, 0:44:15]: Now I did notice that, you know, in the R two we were I would think that we would want to have a requirement in there. [0:44:15, 0:44:18]: On the actual lot size in terms of uh [0:44:19, 0:44:20]: The larger home size. [0:44:20, 0:44:23]: I know what the uh Arthur will pr will permit. [0:44:24, 0:44:26]: But I think we probably need to go to [0:44:26, 0:44:30]: uh a home size maybe uh about twenty five hundred square feet [0:44:30, 0:44:32]: So I m there may be a condition. [0:44:33, 0:44:36]: that would uh come up. Uh that would that we would have to add that as a condition. [0:44:38, 0:44:39]: Um [0:44:40, 0:44:56]: Let me see as far as the sizes of the houses. So here it says all homes shall have a minimum of 2,000 square feet. Remember that that the requirements are only 1,050 square feet, but we're saying they should have be at least 2,000 square feet. [0:44:57, 0:45:01]: Right. I just think we need to make that a little larger to maybe twenty five hundred. [0:45:01, 0:45:02]: So that um [0:45:02, 0:45:05]: You know, the homes are equivalent. I've heard a lot of that from [0:45:05, 0:45:08]: Uh, the surrounding community and we want to be very sensitive. [0:45:09, 0:45:13]: You know, we've been listening to a lot of what's been coming back from the community. [0:45:13, 0:45:17]: And uh, you know, uh this builder has been willing to [0:45:17, 0:45:19]: uh make some adjustment so [0:45:19, 0:45:23]: I think we just need to bump that number up a little bit more uh to be inclusive, but [0:45:24, 0:45:26]: Uh w that would be another condition that uh [0:45:27, 0:45:28]: We may have to add so. [0:45:28, 0:45:31]: Uh that may be a part of what's coming up, so we'll see. [0:45:34, 0:45:38]: Councillor, you you any more uh Mareportem? No, no. [0:45:46, 0:45:48]: Yeah, muteful mu [0:45:50, 0:45:56]: I'll tell you what, okay, thank you. The snake would probably bit me, right? Anyway, thank you very much for that. Uh Councilwoman Gantt [0:45:56, 0:45:59]: Uh go ahead, please. Thank you. Um [0:45:59, 0:46:02]: You mentioned that prior you recommended R2. [0:46:05, 0:46:11]: Um yes because Councilwoman Councilwoman Gantt, you're muted now. Thank you, sorry. You mentioned um [0:46:12, 0:46:16]: that initially the city recommended R two. [0:46:17, 0:46:21]: Can't you let the citizens and l the difference between R two and R three? [0:46:21, 0:46:37]: So R2 requires thirty thousand square foot lots, much larger. And it was our understanding that there was no way developer could meet that. So I guess as a compromise, like I said a few minutes ago, they agreed to to [0:46:37, 0:46:38]: Um [0:46:38, 0:46:48]: have stay with the R three but have lot quite a few lots be larger than the minimum of twelve thousand. So we felt more comfortable that there would be [0:46:49, 0:46:54]: um larger lots than not not just twelve thousand all the way around, but other larger lots. [0:46:55, 0:46:58]: And why couldn't the R three, R two be met? [0:46:59, 0:47:08]: Um, I I get the applicant would I need to answer that. They g as I said it's thirty thousand square foot lots, much larger. My understanding that would not have been financially feasible. [0:47:09, 0:47:29]: Um actually the reason um council member for the um smaller lot size is that the 30,000 square foot lot um was designed for lots that were on septic. Um we are not on septic, that is one of the conditions, um, and therefore the larger lot size was not um needed. Um we asked [0:47:29, 0:47:42]: for the R3 because we are actually bringing sewer into this community. So it's only the communities that did not have sewer that required that 30,000 square foot lot. [0:47:43, 0:47:46]: Oh thank you, um attorney battle. [0:47:46, 0:47:47]: Ms. Logan [0:47:48, 0:47:53]: What are the what are the carp meadows across the street? What is it zoned for? [0:47:54, 0:47:54]: Yeah. [0:47:54, 0:48:13]: So it has um a combination uh it was PD zone PD plan development. That's a um category that city doesn't use anymore. It was uh it was deleted for some reason, but but under the umbrella of PD, uh Clark Meadows had two um [0:48:14, 0:48:19]: zoning classifications had R2 and R three and um so [0:48:20, 0:48:24]: Um larger lots in the R two, smaller in R three. So it has both of them. [0:48:25, 0:48:25]: Okay. [0:48:27, 0:48:27]: And [0:48:30, 0:48:38]: You mentioned that the Planning Commission postponed this several times. Can you give me your let me know why this was postponed several times? [0:48:39, 0:48:44]: Originally it went to the planning commission uh in November and [0:48:45, 0:48:48]: I think the planning commission needed more more information. [0:48:49, 0:48:51]: Um it w we then presented it. [0:48:51, 0:48:53]: In December. [0:48:53, 0:48:55]: Um but then in December. [0:48:56, 0:48:56]: Um [0:48:57, 0:48:59]: They decided that um [0:49:00, 0:49:12]: The applicant decided to do two things. Number one, get a traffic study prepared, uh, which they did. And secondly, to hold two uh private uh community meetings with the citizens, which they did. [0:49:13, 0:49:18]: Does that traffic study reflect um weekend traffic? [0:49:20, 0:49:22]: I don't believe so. Uh maybe the um [0:49:23, 0:49:25]: Traffic engineer can go into more detail about that. [0:49:26, 0:49:30]: Doesn't matter. I think traffic is more heavier during the week than it is on the weekend probably, but [0:49:31, 0:49:34]: I think it's a that's just me. Um [0:49:35, 0:49:36]: And [0:49:38, 0:49:42]: You said there are eleven lights fronting Brennan Road. [0:49:42, 0:49:44]: That will have the fifteen thousand square feet. [0:49:46, 0:49:47]: Um [0:49:47, 0:49:51]: What other lots will have 15,000 square feet? [0:49:52, 0:49:53]: If any. [0:49:54, 0:50:02]: Wow, some of these lots in the back, you can see by looking at them the some of the larger lots here in the cul-de-sac at the back. [0:50:02, 0:50:04]: And some of these in here. [0:50:05, 0:50:07]: Um do we have a number? [0:50:08, 0:50:10]: A number, let's see. This [0:50:12, 0:50:13]: Um [0:50:16, 0:50:20]: So the our average lot size would be fourteen thousand eighty six. [0:50:21, 0:50:22]: Um [0:50:23, 0:50:26]: Let me see if I had those numbers in here. [0:50:32, 0:50:33]: Don't have a number. [0:50:34, 0:50:37]: But it was there was about half. I remember I remember counting. [0:50:38, 0:50:43]: I remember counting on the site plan and there was about half of them were bigger than twelve thousand. [0:50:44, 0:50:44]: Okay. [0:50:45, 0:50:51]: I don't have any further questions for right now, but I'm sure I'll have more on once the presentation's complete. [0:50:51, 0:50:55]: I'd like to see example of the homes and everything. Exactly. [0:50:56, 0:51:01]: Um just I want to ask uh Councilman Thomas, do you have any comments for uh Linda at all, sir? [0:51:03, 0:51:08]: No, I I have some notes. See, I do have some questions for the um developer. [0:51:09, 0:51:13]: Okay. How about you, Councilman Blount? Any questions you have for Linda at all? [0:51:14, 0:51:25]: Well, Mayor, not at this time. I'm still looking over information and still gathering uh thoughts on different things uh pertaining to the uh this development. So not none of them yet, but some will be coming. [0:51:26, 0:51:38]: All right. So on that note, if there are no more questions in reference to what we see thus far from Linda, uh the quest is for the developer to uh do the developer you have a presentation or some comments that you'd like to make at this time? [0:51:41, 0:52:01]: Yes, um again, my name is Michelle Battle with Battle Law. I do have representatives from um uh Liberty Communities here um with me this evening, um, along with our uh Mark Akapura to and Steve Moore um with Moore Bass to be able to uh answer questions um that may be presented. [0:52:00, 0:52:20]: First, we are extremely excited about this particular project. We have had the opportunity to have multiple meetings with the community to go over the project. As indicated, we are looking at a total of 139 lots. We started this. [0:52:20, 0:52:40]: project out with 147 lots. Since that time and meeting with the community, we were able to address a number of issues. First and foremost, we were able to reduce the number of units to 139. We were able to increase the amount of amenity space [0:52:40, 0:53:00]: Space and the types of amenities, including adding a swimming pool and a community space within the building. We actually are now doing the community space versus the meeting space versus the pavilion. We added in the outdoor playground area. [0:53:00, 0:53:20]: Area as well. It sounds uh as if we're going to be adding sidewalks now on both sides of the street. Um, additionally, we had um extensive landscaping that we were planning along uh the perimeter of the project. As you can see here, um we were uh looking to have uh perimeter uh [0:53:20, 0:53:40]: landscaping along with the uh streetscaping and the uh sidewalk that will be located along Brandon Road. Um additionally, um we also looked at the house style and the house uh type. And after um much discussion, um we agreed to do [0:53:40, 0:54:00]: Four-sided brick homes. These are the elevations that we presented of the types of homes that would be built. These are just two of the design types, but these would be four-sided brick homes. What we wanted to do was to really address many of the questions and concerns that had been. [0:54:00, 0:54:20]: raised by the community, particularly those within the Clark Meadows community. We believe that our project is most closely aligned with Clark Meadows. When you look at the product within the boundaries of the city of Stockbridge, you will see that we are adjacent or across from [0:54:20, 0:54:40]: Clark Meadows, which is an R2, R3 development that was developed at that time under planned development. Even the recorded plat references the number of R2 lots at 15 and the balance of the 142 lots are zoned at R3, or in accordance with [0:54:40, 0:55:00]: With R3 criteria. It's also interesting to note that the developer at that time was able to get variants to allow for smaller unit sizes and for smaller setbacks between the lots. And so in the Clark Meadows community, you actually see lots that are below. [0:55:00, 0:55:20]: The current R three requirements at 7, uh 500 square feet in terms of their um R three lots. Um so their R three lots are actually smaller than ours. Over 50% of our lots are 15,000 square feet or larger. Um and that is evidenced on the [0:55:20, 0:55:24]: um site plan information um sheet here. [0:55:25, 0:55:45]: Um you can see the number of lots that we have here that are 15,000 square feet or larger. And we have lots that are as large as uh 21,000 square feet. Um we've got a number of lots that are at 20,000 square feet, 18, 19,000. [0:55:45, 0:56:05]: We even have a lot, lot 120 at 22,000 square feet and lot 102 at 24,000 square feet. So we have a range of lots that are being provided on this site. When we really look at the subdivision, it fits squarely within the development pattern. [0:56:05, 0:56:25]: And the land use requirements in the city of Stockbridge. We are at 1.89 units per acre, whereas Clark Meadows is actually at a density of 2.74 units per acre. The Moss Point community is at 1.99 units per acre. [0:56:25, 0:56:45]: Per acre. So we are right in that sweet spot here where we are providing lots that are actually larger in size than Clark Meadows, slightly smaller than the lots in Moss Point. But from a density perspective, well in line with what is already developed and in fact less than the line. [0:56:45, 0:57:05]: Less density than both Clark Meadows and Moss Point. With regards to many of the comments that we have received from the community for those who are in an opposition, we took a couple of things that we did. One, there had been complaints about our access onto North Salem Road. We were moved [0:57:05, 0:57:06]: that access point. [0:57:07, 0:57:27]: Um there have been uh questions about um the lot sizes. Again, we uh removed some lots, we uh moved some things around and we were able to increase the lot sizes um to again more than 50 uh percent of the lots are in excess of fifteen thousand square feet, and our average lot size is [0:57:27, 0:57:47]: Over 14,000 square feet. We added the left turn lane into the property as well as a deceleration lane in when we obtained the traffic study. There's much to be said about the traffic study, and we do have our engineer here to respond to any questions, but we believe that the [0:57:47, 0:58:07]: Traffic study is accurate. Um, and he can um go into more detail with regards to that to the extent that you all have questions. Um, but the truth of the matter is um there's no question that um as the city grows, uh traffic will continue to increase. We had conversations um with the Department of [0:58:07, 0:58:27]: Department, Henry County Department of Transportation. And certainly I believe that if the city in conjunction with the county look to make road improvements along both Brandon Road and the County fully responsible for all improvements to North Salem Drive, that things could get [0:58:27, 0:58:47]: better um in the area as the area continues to grow and expand. But that is a decision that Henry County transportation has to make. And zonings by the Georgia Supreme Court cannot be denied solely based on traffic related issues. But we have done everything that we can [0:58:46, 0:58:54]: to make sure that we are handling properly the traffic that is coming in and out of this community. [0:58:54, 0:59:14]: Um, we also by changing the house style, um, we were able to increase the price point um for this community. And that was extremely important to the community as well, that they wanted price points that were higher. Um, we initially were in the high 200s because of the change to the [0:59:14, 0:59:34]: Four-sided brick home. We are now squarely in that mid 300, 330 to 350 as the opening uh list price on these homes. Um, there was discussion about the unit size. Um, we are at um an asked for a minimum of 2,000 square feet. Um, we believe that. [0:59:34, 0:59:54]: That our average unit size will be somewhere around 2,400 square feet. And so as we are talking about unit size, what we wanted was to make sure that some of the individuals who may buy in this community may want a slightly smaller home with more upgrades on their interiors. [0:59:54, 1:00:14]: And we want to be able to provide that, while others may simply want a larger home. And to the extent that they want homes even larger than 2,500 square feet, we are more than happy to accommodate them based on the lot that they obtain. And so we would ask not to put a minimum of 2,500. [1:00:14, 1:00:34]: 500, but maybe an average so that we do have the opportunity to offer that smaller home size to residents with a minimum of 2,000 or even 2,200 square feet would be acceptable to make sure that we allow those residents who want to have that diversity. [1:00:34, 1:00:54]: um to be able to do that. With that being said, we would respectfully request uh approval of this application. Again, we believe that we are squarely in line with what has already been provided for and approved within uh the city limits of Stockbridge. We are definitely in line [1:00:54, 1:01:14]: with the land use. And we believe that the product that we are bringing is aligned with the vision of the city of Stockbridge. And we are here to answer any questions. We've tried to be as flexible as possible while prioritizing making certain that we have a product that will meet market [1:01:14, 1:01:34]: Market demands and that will not end up simply being a pipe farm at the end of the day. We do have individuals here in support of this application. We would ask that you would allow them to speak at the appropriate time. And some of them actually have the name Josh Mahoney and uh on here a couple of times. Those are the individuals who are not going to be able to do that. [1:01:34, 1:01:54]: Individuals who we asked to sign up to speak in support of the project. You have received some letters and emails, including from the Clark Meadows community. You all received an email from them today, I believe, indicating their support from the board for their support of the project, as well. [1:01:54, 1:02:11]: as some individuals who also sent in um uh um notices of support. Um and we can read those if you would prefer. Um but with that um we was again respectfully request uh uh approval of the application and we're here to answer any further questions that you may have. [1:02:12, 1:02:32]: Thank you, Ms. Battle, for your presentation. I'll tell you what, I have something I'd like to ask you. I mean, already you've there have been several different uh additional conditions that have been asked to uh of you all and done this aspect, but uh want to know that maybe this is for something for the staff to know, and I probably should know the answer to this. So if those for those conditions [1:02:32, 1:02:43]: to be solidified in the present uh in in the contract or or in the in the guidelines. I would imagine there's a process we need to go to add them and make sure that what we're asking for is acceptable. [1:02:43, 1:03:03]: uh by the builder and it's it's locked the stock and s in some written document because right now what we mentioned thus far from additional conditions has only been of speak. Those conditions um from our our perspective um if the staff conditions are approved then those would be added as additional conditions. [1:03:03, 1:03:23]: onto the staff conditions to be written into the record. And with regards to the sidewalks, I believe that, you know, that if that's a requirement, that's the requirement. We would ask with regards to the home size that we could have an average as opposed to the minimum that was proposed. [1:03:23, 1:03:25]: Um [1:03:25, 1:03:30]: Councilmember Alexander, but I know that there is still additional discussion to be had. [1:03:31, 1:03:51]: All right. And then another question I'd like to ask you right now deals with the transportation or traffic study. I'm sorry, traffic study. And what I believe I understood previously from the Planning Zoning meeting that the traffic study primarily was was done during the course of the week of a couple hours, maybe in the morning and afternoon. No Fridays, no Saturdays. [1:03:51, 1:04:05]: no weekend type of uh uh analysis per se. And of course we are in the middle of a pandemic. So um so I would just like uh the individual if you can uh maybe respond to that or or to give some clarification on how that came about. [1:04:05, 1:04:25]: Absolutely. And I'm uh Mark Akampora is on the line with us. I can say as he's coming on that um typically a traffic study is done um looking at um traffic counts during um peak hours uh during the weekday, because that is typically when you have the most uh traffic. [1:04:25, 1:04:43]: And so during those peak hours is where we did our review. But I know that Mark is prepared to respond to the questions that were raised about that. And I believe has done some additional work. So, Mark, if you could come on to answer those questions, I'd appreciate it. [1:04:47, 1:04:47]: Welcome, Mark. [1:04:48, 1:04:50]: Hi, is my voice being heard? [1:04:50, 1:04:51]: You are now, sir. [1:04:52, 1:05:00]: Great, thank you very much. Um, my name is Mark Akampora. I live at eight fifty eight Myrtle Street in Atlanta, Georgia. [1:05:00, 1:05:03]: I've been practicing traffic engineering in Georgia. [1:05:03, 1:05:05]: For thirty years. [1:05:05, 1:05:12]: Um, and I am a registered professional engineer in the state of Georgia. My expertise is in traffic studies like the one I did for this project. [1:05:13, 1:05:17]: Um to address the question about the time periods analyzed. [1:05:18, 1:05:22]: The tripical traffic study for a residential project looks at [1:05:22, 1:05:30]: the weekday morning and evening peaks. So the traffic counts that we did, we actually do traffic counts out in the field at the intersections. [1:05:30, 1:05:33]: In the morning from seven o'clock to nine o'clock in the morning. [1:05:33, 1:05:47]: And from four o'clock to six o'clock in the evening. Those are typically the peak times. If we were doing a different land use, like a say a shopping center, we would typically do a Saturday afternoon. If we were doing a church, we might do a Sunday morning. [1:05:47, 1:05:48]: Um [1:05:48, 1:06:06]: We count, we do those two hour counts and then from those two hour counts, we come we break them down into fifteen minute intervals and we compile the four highest fifteen minute intervals. So the p morning peak time might be from seven fifteen to eight fifteen or the afternoon might be from four thirty to five thirty. [1:06:07, 1:06:10]: So those typically represent the highest one hour time period. [1:06:11, 1:06:16]: um in both the morning and evening and those are typically the highest time periods during the day. [1:06:16, 1:06:19]: I will add this in the in the planning commission [1:06:19, 1:06:23]: Hearing several of the neighbors asked about the time periods. [1:06:23, 1:06:30]: And they questioned about the school and they questioned about Friday evening being a high time peak time. [1:06:30, 1:06:33]: So last week, well first I want to add um [1:06:34, 1:06:54]: For my actual traffic study, I did obtain historic Georgia DOT counts on Brandon Road and I adjusted the traffic count stuff that I did for this study to those counts with the anticipated growth that would have occurred without the pandemic. So basically the counts that were done in my study were increased by [1:06:54, 1:06:57]: twenty five percent to account for the pandemic. [1:06:58, 1:06:59]: Um additionally, last week. [1:07:00, 1:07:05]: I I had made site visits during the course of the original study, but last week I also went out [1:07:06, 1:07:06]: Um [1:07:07, 1:07:10]: in the morning period last Wednesday from [1:07:10, 1:07:18]: Uh seven thirty about s seven o'clock to eight o'clock, which included the seven forty five beginning. [1:07:18, 1:07:20]: of the Hickory Flat elementary school. [1:07:20, 1:07:21]: Time period. [1:07:21, 1:07:32]: I observed the entirety of Brandon Road from highway forty two at the signal at the north end of Brandon Road all the way through past the site, pat past North Salem Drive. [1:07:32, 1:07:38]: Um down through the signal at campground and down to the unsignalized intersection at the south and then [1:07:39, 1:07:43]: Brandon Road at Highway forty two. Those were raised by the [1:07:43, 1:07:44]: by the neighborhood as well. [1:07:45, 1:07:45]: Um [1:07:46, 1:07:48]: And then I also went out on Friday evening. [1:07:48, 1:08:00]: and I observed this past Friday evening from four thirty to five thirty in the evening. And the observations that I made were consistent with the observations that I had made originally in the traffic study. [1:08:00, 1:08:00]: And [1:08:01, 1:08:15]: I can I'd I'd be happy to answer any details about what I observed and my analysis and what I did. I don't want to necessarily go through the entire report unless somebody specifically wants me to go through as mu I'll go through as much detail as you'd like me to. [1:08:16, 1:08:25]: Well since I asked the question, I just maybe I might have missed it. So you didn't do any a thorough analysis on the weekend. It's not necessarily needed. Is that what is that what I'm I'm hearing here? Or did I miss something? [1:08:26, 1:08:46]: That's correct. The the peak time periods are the weekday morning from seven o'clock to nine o'clock. So we analyzed that highest one hour and four o'clock to six o'clock in the evening. Basically the normal rush hour. And I did make an observation also on this Friday evening, during the Friday evening rush hour. But that's correct. I did not do any analysis. [1:08:46, 1:08:48]: [4129.7, 4130.3]: Okay. [1:08:51, 1:09:00]: All right, thank you. Uh Council, questions for uh Mark or e or general questions for the project itself that Ms. Battle had briefed. [1:09:00, 1:09:03]: Um, Mary Potem, your Hannah C first. Go ahead. [1:09:04, 1:09:10]: Yes, sir. Uh uh, you know, everybody's uh looking at the studies. Looks like you've done a lot of them. [1:09:10, 1:09:15]: Are there any other studies that exist? Did anybody else do a study besides you all? [1:09:15, 1:09:19]: Well, you know, they might say, Well, this is an independent arbiter. Who else did the study? [1:09:21, 1:09:26]: As far as a traffic study? In in the last in the last several years, who else has done a study? [1:09:28, 1:09:33]: I don't know who else has done a traffic impact study on Brandon Road. [1:09:33, 1:09:38]: I do a lot of traffic studies throughout Henry County. I do about a dozen of them a year. [1:09:39, 1:09:42]: Mm-hmm. Um, but on Brandon Road, I don't know if anybody else has. [1:09:42, 1:09:47]: I would think that it's possible that the other subdivisions that have been built out there [1:09:47, 1:09:49]: may have been required to do [1:09:49, 1:09:53]: study is when they would develop, but I don't know that for certain. [1:09:53, 1:09:59]: Council member, are you referring to the um traffic count information with GDOT? [1:09:59, 1:10:02]: Z D Out of Henry County, anybody else do a survey out there? [1:10:03, 1:10:17]: Yeah, there there is a permanent Georgia DOT count station on Brandon Road. Um, I believe it's south of Radcliffe, so it's just a bit north of the elementary school. It's a permanent count station. [1:10:17, 1:10:30]: And I actually obtained that data and I use that in my study to uh chart historic growth trends and also to calibrate my data to the pre-pandemic data. I basically looked at [1:10:31, 1:10:40]: their data, the Georgia ZoT data, compared to my data and extrapolated their data to twenty twenty one and adjusted my numbers. So the numbers [1:10:40, 1:10:42]: That my study is based on are [1:10:42, 1:10:48]: actual counts then adjusted to what would be expected if the pandemic had not hit. [1:10:48, 1:10:51]: Okay, so what did the G Dot study show? [1:10:53, 1:10:54]: Okay. [1:10:54, 1:10:55]: Um [1:11:00, 1:11:02]: I have I'm pulling up the information right now. [1:11:03, 1:11:03]: The [1:11:04, 1:11:07]: The count the Georgia DOT count. [1:11:07, 1:11:09]: At their count station. [1:11:10, 1:11:16]: Um in twenty nineteen that was the last year that their data was for was three thousand six hundred vehicle. [1:11:17, 1:11:28]: And the the counts for my study was two thousand six hundred and seventy vehicles. That's a tube count that's put across Brandon Road. And so I adjusted my [1:11:28, 1:11:33]: counts upward, including the turning movement counts. I also did AM and PM turning movement counts. [1:11:34, 1:11:37]: At those intersections at North Salem Drive. [1:11:37, 1:11:38]: And at um [1:11:39, 1:11:40]: Sprayberry lane. [1:11:40, 1:11:45]: And I adjusted those counts upward to to match the Georgia DOT count. [1:11:46, 1:11:48]: Okay, now with the Georgia DOT counts. [1:11:48, 1:11:54]: What is the capacity of the road? Is it is does does it make it high, medium, low? What what does it show? [1:11:56, 1:12:00]: Um that's a it's a tough question to answer what the capacity is. [1:12:01, 1:12:02]: capacity [1:12:02, 1:12:12]: Typically on an unconstrained section of roadway, a l in other words, a lane with no control, is about eighteen hundred vehicles per hour. [1:12:12, 1:12:13]: Um [1:12:13, 1:12:22]: But intersections, once you put a traffic signal or a stop sign, that then limits the capacity of the intersection. So it just depends on the location. [1:12:22, 1:12:23]: Um [1:12:23, 1:12:33]: For example, there's a lot higher capacity at the northern intersection at Brandon Road at Highway forty two because there's a signal there. But it's hard for me to just give you a [1:12:34, 1:12:35]: Lane capacity. [1:12:36, 1:12:38]: Well, I would I would say just as a [1:12:38, 1:12:55]: as a subjective number. Thirty six hundred is is very low and twenty six to seventy is very low. Um there are other two lane roads in Henry County that have volumes that are triple that, that are in the that are over ten, ten, twelve thousand vehicles per day. [1:12:56, 1:12:58]: Okay, so what you're stating is thirty six hundred [1:12:59, 1:13:03]: That's of what I'm trying to get at. I I don't know, I'm not an expert. So thirty six hundred [1:13:04, 1:13:05]: Is considered low. [1:13:06, 1:13:11]: Uh uh for a two lane road that would be I would say I would use the word low to moderate. [1:13:11, 1:13:13]: There's a lot of extra capacity out there. [1:13:14, 1:13:15]: Okay. [1:13:15, 1:13:18]: Okay, that that's what I'm getting at. Where where are we currently? [1:13:18, 1:13:22]: So currently your estimation is that it's low to moderate. [1:13:23, 1:13:25]: Yes, and and remember that the [1:13:26, 1:13:29]: The the analysis is based on the highest hours of that. [1:13:30, 1:13:34]: So through most of the rest of the day you have you have a twenty four hour count. [1:13:34, 1:13:35]: And then you have PCAL accounts. [1:13:36, 1:13:40]: So my analysis is actually at the two highest of those twenty four hours. [1:13:40, 1:13:53]: So that you take the thirty six hundred cars and you spread them evenly throughout the day, it's actually that's not really what occurs. It's actually peaking in the morning and evening, and that's the time period that I actually did the analysis. [1:13:53, 1:13:54]: So if you go out there [1:13:54, 1:13:56]: say ten o'clock in the morning. [1:13:56, 1:14:11]: there's not that much traffic out there and the road's kind of empty. But if you go out there at five thirty in the evening or when or when the kids are being dropped off to school in the morning at seven forty five, you're gonna get higher peaks then. And so my operational analysis [1:14:11, 1:14:17]: which is also detailed in my report is actually based on those two highest hours of the day. [1:14:18, 1:14:25]: Okay, so okay. So let me clarify what um like again, I'm a layman and I'm sure maybe the rest of the counselors, I don't know. [1:14:26, 1:14:29]: But in terms of what you're saying, so I understand it. [1:14:29, 1:14:30]: Is that [1:14:30, 1:14:30]: Yeah. [1:14:31, 1:14:32]: ворс [1:14:32, 1:14:36]: during the rush hour in the morning and at the evening. [1:14:37, 1:14:40]: The traffic is low to moderate. That's what you is that what you're saying? [1:14:41, 1:14:41]: Yeah. [1:14:42, 1:14:45]: And in fact, in my traffic study, I have [1:14:45, 1:14:48]: tables that show the existing traffic operations. [1:14:48, 1:14:52]: And we assign the operations levels of service, which are [1:14:52, 1:14:56]: comparable to letter grades in school. They go through from A through F. [1:14:56, 1:14:59]: And they're basically exactly what you would think. [1:14:59, 1:15:10]: of a letter graded school. So level of service A means it's excellent and everything works really well. F means it's failing and you gotta do something. You gotta widen the road or put a signal or something like that. [1:15:10, 1:15:12]: So for the existing analysis [1:15:13, 1:15:17]: At the intersections of Brandon Road at Sprayberry Lane and at North Salem Drive. [1:15:17, 1:15:30]: All of the movements, all of the control movements and the overall intersection were all level of service A in the morning peak and that highest hour in the morning and they range between A and B in the PM peak. [1:15:31, 1:15:36]: So that would be considered excellent operations and no mitigation recommended. [1:15:36, 1:15:43]: And then in the future, when we add the pri add the growth factor to account for other growth and development, and then we add the traffic. [1:15:44, 1:15:47]: The project's traffic from this proposed development. [1:15:47, 1:15:49]: And I re ran that analysis. [1:15:49, 1:16:09]: And the operations are still five years into the future, level uh was it five? I think it was five years into the future, still level of service, all levels of service A in the morning and levels of service A and B in the evening. And that's that those are the morning and evening peak hours that I described a few minutes ago. So at the worst times of day, at those [1:16:09, 1:16:10]: [4570.7, 4572.2]: It's all A's and B. [1:16:12, 1:16:14]: No C's, no D's, no E's. [1:16:14, 1:16:15]: No lap. [1:16:16, 1:16:18]: Well, okay, thank you. [1:16:18, 1:16:20]: Councilman Thomas, do you have some questions, sir? [1:16:21, 1:16:24]: Yes. Um I have two questions. [1:16:25, 1:16:31]: Uh my first question considering um sidewalks on both sides of the street. [1:16:32, 1:16:36]: How would that affect uh lot size? Number one. [1:16:36, 1:16:45]: Uh I'm I'm gonna ask go ahead and ask both of my questions. Uh my second question. Presently we we have problems and issues with parking in the streets. [1:16:45, 1:16:51]: What is the width size of the streets within the this proposed cell division? [1:16:52, 1:17:12]: I'm gonna ask Steve Moore um with our group to respond to that um question. I believe that the streets would uh the sidewalks would still be within uh the right of way um that we had already proposed. And Steve, if you can talk about the width of the right-of-way. [1:17:12, 1:17:15]: It would not affect the uh lot sizes. [1:17:15, 1:17:17]: Or even with [1:17:17, 1:17:25]: That's correct. It won't won't affect the lot size with the city uh standard sidewalks on both sides of the road. [1:17:26, 1:17:34]: And can um Steve, can you respond? And I think there was also a question about the width of the sidewalks. Of the streets. The sidewalks and and the streets. [1:17:35, 1:17:38]: So definitely we have problems in subdivision. [1:17:38, 1:17:41]: with uh parking on the street. Yes, sir. [1:17:41, 1:18:00]: Okay, um my name is Steve Moore. I'm with Moore Bass Consulting. We're civil engineers surveyors uh here in Henry County, uh 1350 Keys Ferry Court, McDonald, Georgia. Um the typical section of the roads uh would be 26 feet from the back of curb to the back of curb. So it's a two-foot curb and gutter. [1:18:01, 1:18:11]: Um so but that that's that's a a section that's been adopted by Henry County and used in the city of Stockbridge, McDonough, Locust Grove, all across the county. Um [1:18:11, 1:18:21]: So twenty-six back to back, the current uh road section also requires uh a four foot concrete sidewalk on both sides of the street within the right-of-way. [1:18:21, 1:18:41]: Um we've recently had some challenges with uh requests on zoning uh having a wider sidewalk uh than that. And we are learning very recently on some other projects that that is creating conflicts with the Henry County Water Authority and their placement of water services where the electric department [1:18:41, 1:18:54]: places their services where cable TV, uh, telecommunications, all those things. So four foot sidewalks uh in a 26-foot back of curb to back a curb section is the standard adopted section. [1:18:54, 1:18:58]: In this zoning, uh, the front setback. [1:18:59, 1:19:00]: It's fifty feet. [1:19:00, 1:19:03]: And that fifty feet is measured from the right of way line. [1:19:03, 1:19:19]: The right-of-way line is approximately 12 feet off of the back of curb. So for concerns about parking in the streets, which I completely understand and I deal with that question a lot, uh this above a majority of the other zonings that we represent. [1:19:19, 1:19:27]: provides more than enough room to park cars probably three deep in the driveway. [1:19:27, 1:19:29]: before it would even [1:19:29, 1:19:36]: uh encroach in the sidewalk, much less the street. Uh but so you have approximately sixty three feet [1:19:36, 1:19:42]: of distance from the edge of pavements or the back of the curb to the front door of the house. [1:19:43, 1:19:47]: So shouldn't have any concerns with parking in the street when you have a driveway that's that long. [1:19:50, 1:19:52]: I I yield back, Mayor. [1:19:52, 1:19:56]: Okay, thank you. Um uh councilwoman uh Gantt, please. [1:19:58, 1:20:03]: Yes. Um my question probably will be to Linda. I don't know who it's gonna be to. [1:20:04, 1:20:08]: You s mentioned that Clark Meadows has R two and R three. [1:20:09, 1:20:15]: Um a mixture. Yes. What will prevent this subdivision from having the same? [1:20:15, 1:20:28]: Well they they uh were able to do that under the PD uh zoning uh plan development and that is not uh that the PD was deleted uh with this current edition of the of the zoning uh code. [1:20:29, 1:20:49]: The the I don't I'll I'd look to respond to that, which is um we basically are um doing exactly the same thing because our lots along um and this and the lots in Clark Meadows along the frontage of Brandon Road are fifteen thousand square feet. And that's what was required uh [1:20:49, 1:21:09]: Um and the R2 lots that they have in Clark Meadows are 15,000 uh minimum square foot lots. And that's what we have are 15,000 square foot minimum lots uh along the frontage of Brandon Road. And then the balance of the lots are technically R three um along with the R three um that matches uh [1:21:09, 1:21:16]: um uh Clark Meadows, except our lots are actually larger than the Clark Meadow um R3 lots. [1:21:16, 1:21:17]: Okay. [1:21:17, 1:21:20]: Thank you. Um also [1:21:21, 1:21:22]: My [1:21:23, 1:21:24]: Other question. [1:21:26, 1:21:26]: Um [1:21:27, 1:21:30]: Gosh, and I lost it. Let me think about it real quick. [1:21:30, 1:21:34]: My other question um had very much so to do with [1:21:34, 1:21:42]: The entrance. I saw one way in and one way out. Um, I I like the look and concept of that. [1:21:42, 1:21:47]: It was there another option to have two different entrances and [1:21:47, 1:21:53]: That's one question. The second question, there was a qu request for twenty five hundred square feet. [1:21:53, 1:21:55]: Homes. Um [1:21:56, 1:22:01]: I thank you for reconsidering and having all brick homes. I I didn't [1:22:01, 1:22:04]: Sorry I haven't had the opportunity to speak in regards to that, but [1:22:04, 1:22:13]: The 2,500 square foot home request, would that even be possible? I I saw an email where it was stated that we were actually having that. [1:22:13, 1:22:25]: Okay. Um Mayor Pro Tem, I know you had mentioned that they were doing twenty five hundred square feet homes. Is it possible? And you guys said two thousand square feet homes. So is that possible at all or or [1:22:26, 1:22:28]: What's what are we gonna do with that? [1:22:28, 1:22:48]: So we had asked um uh and indicated on the lot size that the minimum lot size would be 2,000 square feet. Um we actually were willing to do a minimum of two of 2200 square feet. We had been asked by um Mayor Pro Tem uh to increase the [1:22:48, 1:23:08]: Lot size, we indicated our comfort with doing an average lot size of 2500 was what we had asked for. I mean, obviously, you all can recommend, and I'm sure that council member Alexander will recommend what he wants, but we were trying to see whether or not average [1:23:08, 1:23:28]: Average lot size of 2,500 square feet would be acceptable. Now, that doesn't mean that we wouldn't be larger than that. It just means that that would be the minimum in terms of the average lot size because it is very possible that people will come into this community and want something much larger than that, and we will be happy to accommodate them. [1:23:28, 1:23:30]: them as long as they can pay for that. [1:23:31, 1:23:33]: Uh about I'm sorry, by way of click [1:23:34, 1:23:50]: By way of clarification, I think you said lot size 25. You were talking about. I mean, sorry, I'm not the lot size, the house size. Thank you so much, Mr. Knighton. The house size minimum would be 2,500 square foot average, not the lot size. Sorry about that. [1:23:52, 1:23:57]: Thank you. Um and then you had one other question though about um [1:23:58, 1:23:59]: Uh [1:24:01, 1:24:14]: I think I answered the question. The secondary access. Yes, the secondary access. We had a secondary access onto North Salem Road, and we were asked to remove that secondary entrance. [1:24:15, 1:24:23]: And I'd like to add that we had a s um city fire marshal to look at that and he said it was fine to just have the one entrance. He was okay with that. [1:24:25, 1:24:27]: Well who who said to remove it? [1:24:28, 1:24:29]: Citizens. [1:24:31, 1:24:40]: citizens were unhappy with uh North Salem uh drive being uh very narrow and curvy and unsafe conditions, so they didn't want a secondary access there. [1:24:42, 1:24:44]: Okay. I'm getting [1:24:44, 1:24:48]: My my s I don't know if everyone can hear me, but I'm seeing nothing but [1:24:48, 1:24:50]: Screen freezes right now. [1:24:51, 1:24:52]: We can hear you. Hello. [1:24:52, 1:24:54]: We can hear you. Okay. [1:24:54, 1:24:57]: I can all see the screen freeze. So in regards [1:24:58, 1:24:59]: In regards to that [1:25:00, 1:25:07]: the the community didn't want a second entrance. They so everyone wanted one in and one out entrance. Is that correct? [1:25:08, 1:25:24]: Um, correct, because they didn't want the access point on Salem and we don't have enough frontage to have the two points um along uh Brandon Road without one of them lining up directly across from Clark Meadow. And they were vehemently opposed to that as well. [1:25:25, 1:25:26]: Okay. [1:25:27, 1:25:31]: And so it is not a line directly across from Clark Clark Meadow at this time, correct? [1:25:31, 1:25:49]: Uh no ma'am. The um entrance point is um off uh further south of um their entrance point. So their entrance point is here and our entrance point is down here now and we are north of the entrance point to Moss Point, which is down here. [1:25:49, 1:26:01]: Okay. Can you give me, and this is just a request, uh the amount of lots per size, like if there's fifteen hundred square foot lots, if there's twelve fifty of them. [1:26:02, 1:26:11]: I I just kinda wanted to know a number calculated here. I see the different lot sizes. I just well Lynn I think Linda had twelve thousand is the minimum. [1:26:12, 1:26:14]: And I so I kinda wanted to know [1:26:14, 1:26:20]: how many at least tell me how many twelve how many twelve thousand square feet homes there are. [1:26:20, 1:26:25]: I kind of wanted to see the variety of the lot sizes and I think I've got that up here. [1:26:26, 1:26:28]: Right. But I don't know. I see them. [1:26:29, 1:26:37]: But I I would like a total, like there are 20 12,000 square foot homes. I mean square foot lots. [1:26:37, 1:26:38]: There are [1:26:39, 1:26:40]: Baby [1:26:40, 1:27:00]: 15,000 square. I just want to see the actual amount told. So so we know that Linda did out of the hundred and thirty-nine lots that we have, um, Linda did a count and indicated that at least sixty-nine of those homes are fifteen thousand square. [1:27:00, 1:27:20]: square feet or larger. And she put that actually that's in her staff report between 15 and uh to 20. It's actually a little larger than 20, but 15,000 square feet and higher that 50%. So that's roughly 69, 70 lots um that are 15,000 square feet or larger. If you want to know exactly how many units are [1:27:20, 1:27:29]: are uh 12,000 square feet. Um we can make a quick uh count um while we're on the call here. [1:27:29, 1:27:31]: Okay. That's it. [1:27:31, 1:27:32]: Thank you. [1:27:32, 1:27:35]: Okay, thank you. Councilman Blount, please. Go ahead, sir. [1:27:37, 1:27:37]: Mm. [1:27:38, 1:27:45]: And whoever needs to answer this, when was what what was the actual date? I guess I missed it. What was the actual date the trappist study was done? [1:27:46, 1:27:48]: I'm just trying to gauge the impact. [1:27:48, 1:27:50]: uh of the community [1:27:51, 1:27:53]: with this development. When was the traffic study done? [1:27:54, 1:27:58]: The the date of the traffic study is January twentieth. [1:27:58, 1:27:59]: Twenty twenty one. [1:28:00, 1:28:03]: January twentieth. And the reason I ask [1:28:04, 1:28:08]: And the reason I'm asking that is that you all did no weekends. [1:28:09, 1:28:15]: Uh and and if you had done weekends, it would help us gauge whether the because if the traffic is [1:28:15, 1:28:18]: Traffic is more during the week and the time that you did it. [1:28:18, 1:28:22]: You find that that traffic study was more on the weekends. [1:28:22, 1:28:29]: Then that would account for so many people at home working, and it would account for schools and not being filled, and it would account for us being in a pandemic. [1:28:29, 1:28:32]: So then we would have to say on the weekends. [1:28:32, 1:28:40]: It should have came up lower than the number you have now, but we don't have that to even compare against when it comes to the impact in the community. [1:28:40, 1:28:41]: So [1:28:41, 1:28:50]: Doing a uh uh trapping stud on the weekend would definitely would have been help uh helpful in this case when it comes to trapping because [1:28:51, 1:28:54]: If those numbers are still lower than what you all have. [1:28:55, 1:28:57]: Then you cannot have a accurate number. [1:28:57, 1:29:17]: Because of those elements I just mentioned. So it is not and I I'll speak here as well with Mark, but it is not customary for counts to be taken on the weekend. I have as long as I've been doing zoning for twenty years and having to deal with traffic studies, I've never um had a weekend count. [1:29:17, 1:29:29]: on a residential subdivision. I know that we're in a different we're in a different world right now. Ms. Ballard, let me ask a question. Have you ever done a trapping study during the pandemic? [1:29:30, 1:29:50]: Well, I just said we're in under different you you didn't let me finish my statement. So we're we are under different circumstances right now. Um and so you know, to the extent that um Mark can respond to that, but this is the first, quite honestly, in my 20 years of being asked on a residential subdivision to do counts on a weekend. But Mark [1:29:50, 1:29:50]: Mark, go ahead. [1:29:51, 1:30:03]: Yeah, I mean I I do traffic studies for um shopping centers and and churches and we do those counts on the weekends because that's the time where they have the greatest impact. [1:30:04, 1:30:07]: Residential subdivisions tend to have the greatest impact. [1:30:07, 1:30:10]: impact during the morning and evening weekday peaks. [1:30:11, 1:30:13]: Those also tend to be [1:30:13, 1:30:16]: The t the days that have the highest traffic volumes [1:30:16, 1:30:20]: in residential areas. If you're next to a large mall or something like that. [1:30:21, 1:30:22]: That would be a different situation. [1:30:23, 1:30:24]: As far as [1:30:24, 1:30:29]: Um, studies during a pandemic. I've done a bunch of studies since the beginning of the pandemic. [1:30:29, 1:30:35]: including a lot of studies for um the Georgia Regional Transportation Authority and and [1:30:35, 1:30:41]: Greta, Georgia Regional Transportation Authority, and many of the jurisdictions, including Henry County. [1:30:41, 1:30:42]: have [1:30:42, 1:30:46]: А воркт відмітило фактор стандарт. [1:30:47, 1:30:54]: that have been accepted by Henry County and Georgia Regional Transportation Authority and Georgia Department of Transportation. [1:30:54, 1:30:55]: So [1:30:55, 1:30:58]: I would say I've done about fifty traffic studies. [1:30:58, 1:31:04]: since the beginning of the pandemic and all of them required pol procedures [1:31:04, 1:31:11]: to adjust the counts to account for the pandemic. And I did that in this traffic study. So the answer to that is yes. [1:31:12, 1:31:12]: Um [1:31:13, 1:31:15]: And I I would add this, I would be surprised [1:31:15, 1:31:18]: Even with the pandemic, if traffic volumes [1:31:18, 1:31:19]: Or [1:31:19, 1:31:26]: notably higher or different on the weekend. And my guess is they're probably lower on the weekend, even with the pandemic. [1:31:26, 1:31:27]: Um [1:31:27, 1:31:34]: If you know, that that would be just my guess, but adjustment factors were made for the pandemic to increase the counted volumes. [1:31:35, 1:31:39]: Well for me, I'm just trying to gaze specifics because [1:31:39, 1:31:43]: I mean we all can guess that they could be could be better, but we don't know. [1:31:43, 1:31:50]: We can make adjustments to it, but we just don't know. Uh, the question on the amenities, when we talk about the amenities. [1:31:50, 1:31:59]: Um, you can say pool, but what does that mean? Because I've seen one development before here uh within the last four years that said amenities. [1:32:00, 1:32:03]: And they put something there that's supposed to be in a swimming pool, but it really [1:32:03, 1:32:23]: It meant the name swimming pool, but it didn't uh it wasn't a pool. So is it something that's gonna come to the council at some point in time that that really can get let us gauge, size, positioning, uh, and just just just more about the development, uh, because it's uh this is one of the few that I've seen that's so much. [1:32:23, 1:32:27]: [5548.2, 5550.7]: that this council make is in line with [1:32:31, 1:32:35]: Uh welcoming development and also uh [1:32:35, 1:32:45]: looking at the concerns of the citizens. So that's that's why I'm asking these questions and that's what I want to see more specifics when it comes to uh those type of things. [1:32:45, 1:33:05]: So we have um provided um information concerning the pool itself. Um and I'll ask Neil or Jean to chime in with regards to this. But I believe this pool, um we've got an indication of two thousand uh square feet. Um I believe that this pool is in alignment with the same [1:33:05, 1:33:25]: type and size of pool that you see over in Clark Meadows. And additionally we have the playground area and the fire pit pit in pavilion area and bathrooms that will be on the site as well. And so [1:33:25, 1:33:45]: Um, I have seen in some instances where there's a specific reference to either the size or the type of swimming pool, but it is not intended to be like a wading pool. It is intended to be a true swimming pool, um, very similar to if I mean identical, if not the same size or larger than what's across the um in the Clark Meadow community. [1:33:46, 1:33:47]: All right, thank you. [1:33:48, 1:33:49]: I'm I'm finished, Mayor. [1:33:49, 1:33:52]: Okay, thank you, sir. Uh Mayor Pro Tem, you had your hand up again? [1:33:53, 1:33:54]: Uh yeah, so [1:33:55, 1:34:08]: I guess uh what I want to get at is there was some uh renderings. I want to respond to Ms. Gantt as well. Yes, I did uh I've had spoken with the uh developer about this to see whether or not some of the [1:34:08, 1:34:12]: uh communities uh concerns could be addressed. [1:34:13, 1:34:14]: And uh they wanted to do that. [1:34:15, 1:34:17]: Uh twenty five hundred was one of the suggestions. [1:34:18, 1:34:21]: uh that was made and let me make it perfectly clear, okay? [1:34:22, 1:34:23]: We dictate this development. [1:34:24, 1:34:27]: Yeah, we want to require twenty five hundred square feet. [1:34:27, 1:34:30]: That's what we're required. Now if they don't wanna build that, it's up to them. [1:34:30, 1:34:32]: But in the end we determine [1:34:33, 1:34:35]: what the size of the houses are going to be. [1:34:35, 1:34:40]: If it's gonna be twenty five hundred, gonna be twenty five hundred. That's what we dictate. Now if they decide not to do that. [1:34:40, 1:34:42]: Then that'll be up to them. [1:34:42, 1:34:47]: But that's the that's the way that we need to operate. We need to operate in the fact that [1:34:47, 1:34:57]: We will determine the size. They will make suggestions, but in the end we will make the size, the decisions on what was being made. Now, Miss Battle, you sent me a rendering. [1:34:57, 1:34:59]: Of the amenities uh [1:34:59, 1:35:01]: Uh for example, you don't have those. [1:35:02, 1:35:03]: Um I do. [1:35:03, 1:35:05]: Okay, can you show the Zoda? [1:35:07, 1:35:20]: Um sorry, I'm trying to get my thing to get out of the way so I can actually get to the plan. I apologize. Hold on, let me see if I can figure out how to get over here. [1:35:22, 1:35:30]: Ugh sorry. Uh let me I'm calling up my screen. I apologize. Hold on. There we go. Okay. [1:35:35, 1:35:55]: Okay, so um this was the amenity area and we also had a breakout of exactly what we were proposing in those amenity areas and we're happy to condition um based on uh the site plan is presented um and these amenity uh area enlargements along with the landscape. [1:35:55, 1:35:55]: [5756.3, 5761.6]: Right. The picture over to the right is it is that is an example of what you all build in another subdivision? [1:36:04, 1:36:08]: Uh yeah, those are examples of things that we've Well let's click on that. Okay. [1:36:08, 1:36:09]: Okay. [1:36:09, 1:36:16]: Um those are the pool. Uh the pool is in the background on that one, but the pool here. [1:36:17, 1:36:17]: Oops. [1:36:22, 1:36:25]: So we can specify a pool similar to this one. [1:36:27, 1:36:28]: That's what we should expect. [1:36:29, 1:36:33]: Uh yes, I would um I don't see any reason why you couldn't. [1:36:34, 1:36:54]: Okay, that that's what I'm saying. I mean you this is what that is fine. That is fine. Yes. Right. This is a neighborhood that you actually built, correct? Yes. Yes. Okay, so that and that's the structure and that's the example of the structure. We didn't expect anything less than what you have presented here. You got the fire pit out there. These look like excellent uh amenities. So we [1:36:54, 1:36:56]: certainly would want to h withhold. [1:36:56, 1:37:02]: uh to that standard uh of that beautiful pool that you have there. You built it there. We would certainly like for [1:37:02, 1:37:04]: uh you to build it uh here. [1:37:05, 1:37:06]: Uh for us as well. [1:37:07, 1:37:18]: And and we have no problems you conditioned it on this um presentation um which Linda has in hers, um, that we will build in alignment um with what what you're seeing here. That's fine. [1:37:18, 1:37:20]: Okay. All right. Thank you. [1:37:22, 1:37:25]: Uh Councilwoman Barber, do you have any further questions at all? [1:37:28, 1:37:32]: I do actually. Um the clubhouse. [1:37:32, 1:37:36]: Um, I know Miss Battle mentioned about a pavilion. [1:37:37, 1:37:41]: Can you tell me a little bit more about what you're doing with that pavilion? [1:37:41, 1:37:56]: I'm gonna ask um Neil Cobble. I think um we have now agreed to go to the clubhouse versus the pavilion, which was requested. Um Neil, can you just confirm that? I just wanna make sure I don't wanna misspeak. [1:37:56, 1:38:16]: Yeah, sure. So we're you know, our main focus is um with the pandemic is uh making sure that we have plenty of outdoor space, meeting space, um in our other developments that you guys mentioned that we just built there, uh some other swimming pools and outdoor facilities, is that is the big push right now. The pandemic's gonna go away. [1:38:16, 1:38:36]: At some some point, but the trend is outdoor um social distancing is has become much more relevant. People are much more aware of that. Um, and uh so our focus is outdoor gatherings. Um, and then uh we had a conversation uh with one of the council people uh earlier. [1:38:36, 1:38:56]: earlier this week about uh uh a place to meet and we've agreed that we'll enclose a section of the pavilion for a small meeting area. Um that uh um but again our focus is uh outdoor um uh for pavilions, uh for birthday parties. [1:38:56, 1:39:02]: and um things that connect to the playground um and things that are sustainable. [1:39:07, 1:39:07]: Mm. [1:39:07, 1:39:12]: Um this clubhouse is going to be built as a meeting space. [1:39:13, 1:39:14]: How many people at home? [1:39:18, 1:39:26]: Um it'll hold it'll hold it well, I don't know what the code is there and Steve may be able to speak on that, but you know, it'll hold somewhere around twenty five people. [1:39:36, 1:39:56]: Well I'll tell you what, while she's thinking, I I got a thought. I mean, twenty five people uh for a community of this size, it's not a whole lot of space for the for those folks in this aspect. And and I know where I live, we have a pretty decent sized uh clubhouse and it's gonna have meetings and and and actually citizens uh in that community can rent it for [1:39:56, 1:40:16]: particular activities. Um but uh I I would think that twenty five or max capacity of twenty five probably wouldn't cut the mustard. Uh in my my initial thoughts on that. But uh it's something that I would I would think that I hope that you look at maybe having some larger space. I don't know if that's where Ms. Barber was going with and she was maybe contemplating there. You know [1:40:15, 1:40:35]: But uh I I think that twenty twenty five for the size of that community, it it probably would not cut the mustard there. Well, and that that's our focus is the larger pavilion area, which would um handle to seventy five to a hundred people, which is uh more in line with what uh people are asked. [1:40:35, 1:40:48]: asking for in our communities um these days. They're asking for room to spread out and to be able to social distance. And uh so that's that's been the the reality of what people are asking for. [1:40:49, 1:40:53]: Sir. Stand by one second, please. I'm Ms. Barber, you're unmuted. I think you have something else. [1:40:54, 1:40:55]: Okay. [1:40:55, 1:40:57]: Outpaws for near protein. [1:40:57, 1:41:05]: Okay, Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. Okay. In our discussions uh that we had uh earlier about the improvements, we were talking about fifty. [1:41:05, 1:41:09]: But no, we were not talking about twenty five. That's not gonna be acceptable. [1:41:09, 1:41:12]: So let's let's just stop with that right now, okay? [1:41:12, 1:41:14]: It's gonna be fifty or l fifty or more. [1:41:15, 1:41:16]: That's gonna be a condition. [1:41:16, 1:41:20]: So all of the things that we're telling you gonna be a condition. Fifty gonna be a condition. [1:41:21, 1:41:24]: So as we get there, if we get to that point, it it would be fifty. [1:41:27, 1:41:31]: All right. Coun uh Councilwoman Barber, you have another comment, please. [1:41:32, 1:41:35]: No. Ms. Gantt, did you have something else, ma'am? [1:41:37, 1:41:47]: Um, well, as Mayor and Council knows and some of the city, the public knows, we've had issues with parking on our streets and the streets not being wide enough. [1:41:48, 1:41:51]: Are the in this subdivision will the streets be wide? [1:41:51, 1:41:53]: What what's the length there? [1:41:56, 1:42:15]: The the width of the streets. Mm-hmm. They're twenty-six foot wide from the back of the curb to the back of the curb. And the houses will set approximately sixty-three feet off of the curb. So there'll be like I said, there should be room for three cars on each side of the driveway to park. [1:42:15, 1:42:20]: tail to front, uh three deep without encroaching in the sidewalk or the street. [1:42:21, 1:42:27]: But that's bases in the parking lot plus two in the garage. So eight. [1:42:29, 1:42:39]: Well, let me just say that there's not one, it's gonna it's a collective group of us to make decisions. Not one council member can make a decision on their own. [1:42:40, 1:42:50]: Um and I appreciate you guys giving us uh I know we've been going back and forth right now and asking a bunch of questions. We have a lot of concerned citizens that have flooded our emails. [1:42:51, 1:43:00]: um and have brought attention to this matter. And so it is our duty and our job to make sure that we're doing the best for the city of Stockbridge as a whole. [1:43:01, 1:43:03]: Um and we want to be fair to our [1:43:04, 1:43:20]: our developers as well. We are open for business. We are open for business. Um I don't want you to think that we are trying to scrutinize every single little thing, but it is important that when we're open for business, that we make sure that we bring quality. [1:43:21, 1:43:22]: Yes, ma'am, I understand. [1:43:24, 1:43:36]: I I would like to So I I just want to make sure of that. And so um having said that, I I'm still, you know, there are gonna be questions from the public and um I you know, I just want to reserve some time. [1:43:36, 1:43:47]: So that once they make their concerns, they discuss their concerns, I can come back and ask additional questions if need be. But we've been going at this for a while now. [1:43:47, 1:43:53]: I think it you know, we would add those conditions that we've required already. [1:43:53, 1:44:06]: to be met. But I also think that right now we need to speak, we need to hear from our citizens at some point so that we can come back and ask those questions if need be. [1:44:06, 1:44:07]: Yes, ma'am. [1:44:07, 1:44:12]: Well we'll do that in just a bit, uh, Ms. Gantt. Councilman Blount, go ahead, please. [1:44:13, 1:44:15]: Yeah, I think that uh councilwoman um [1:44:16, 1:44:21]: Gantt kinda t stole a little my thunder and I want to s my sentiments is exactly that. [1:44:21, 1:44:26]: You know, we welcome development. We welcome you all to choose Stockbridge to develop. [1:44:26, 1:44:29]: And uh I re will reiterate that. [1:44:29, 1:44:36]: Uh it it takes a collective effort from this whole council, not one council member on here, not one. [1:44:36, 1:44:40]: can stand alone and tell you what you're going to do and what you're not going to do. [1:44:41, 1:44:43]: And when that happens, they're speaking for me. [1:44:43, 1:44:46]: Because it has to be a collect it's it's collectively done here. [1:44:47, 1:44:53]: So I want to say thank you all for choosing Stockbridge, but we have to sit down as a council all together. [1:44:53, 1:44:59]: And decide what is acceptable for the citizens of Stockbridge as an elect as a full elected body. [1:45:00, 1:45:05]: Yes, sir. So when we I don't ever want you to feel that [1:45:05, 1:45:08]: One council member is telling you do this or else. [1:45:10, 1:45:19]: Yes, sir. We as a council as a whole will sit down, go over what we have from you all, we will listen to the citizens, and our decisions will be made accordingly. [1:45:20, 1:45:21]: Okay. [1:45:21, 1:45:32]: Okay, Councilman Thomas, you unmuted, sir. Your thoughts. Yeah, I I just want to uh echo those sentiments and and basically I wanted to sort of speak to the citizens before they really respond. [1:45:32, 1:45:33]: Um [1:45:34, 1:45:37]: You know, it is incumbent upon us to [1:45:38, 1:45:40]: Look at how we grow this city. [1:45:41, 1:45:43]: uh smartly and responsibly. [1:45:44, 1:45:50]: And and that's why we're sort of asking these questions. But I we need citizens to understand that. [1:45:50, 1:45:51]: Um [1:45:52, 1:45:54]: Future when we talk about future. [1:45:55, 1:45:59]: uh this is the the the mode that that we're in [1:46:00, 1:46:04]: Um and then we just want citizens to understand as well as developers. [1:46:05, 1:46:22]: that you know we are going to ask questions and we are going to listen to you because we do represent you. And uh I'm just so thankful that all of the emails that I received from all of the citizens, I I read them all. I may not have responded back to everyone. [1:46:22, 1:46:29]: But I just want citizens to know that we are listening, we we hear, but citizens still have to understand [1:46:29, 1:46:49]: That uh, you know, these are tough decisions and these decisions have to be made. Uh, when we start talking about traffic, um, you know, I've I've said this many times that uh transportation and roads improvement cannot keep up with development. So it's incumbent upon all of us to go. [1:46:49, 1:47:02]: Go to our state legislators and our federal and let our voices be heard about roads, about schools and things like that. [1:47:02, 1:47:04]: The city municipality [1:47:04, 1:47:10]: You know, we ought to have a voice, we ought to have an opinion when it comes to roads and schools. [1:47:10, 1:47:30]: But we all collectively have to come together to make our voice. And I'm saying this to say that we have to be proactive. We can't be reactionary. We can't wait till these developments start coming. And then all of a sudden everybody wanna just an outpour. Um, so we have to just come together and be proactive as [1:47:30, 1:47:34]: As far as uh roles and schools and those kind of things, but [1:47:34, 1:47:36]: Just be assured that [1:47:36, 1:47:37]: You know [1:47:38, 1:47:39]: The future is coming. [1:47:40, 1:48:00]: Whether we are here or not, whether we are living or dead, the future is coming. So we just have to try to do this as smartly as we can. And citizens need to understand that you know we we hear you, and we're trying to do the best that we can to make sure because we understand that your property value and [1:47:59, 1:48:02]: And you know, purchasing a home. [1:48:02, 1:48:17]: And and educating your kid, those are the two largest investments that families have. So we're not taking this lightly. And I just want to make sure that citizens understand that as well as uh developers coming to our great city of Stockbridge. [1:48:17, 1:48:18]: Thank you, Mick. [1:48:18, 1:48:21]: No problem, you're welcome. And on that note, we'll open up the public hearing. [1:48:22, 1:48:42]: So I'll open a public hearing and how this would go is that uh I'm I'm looking for folks that are for the actual development, and then we'll go we'll listen to those folks and then we'll go to four people that are against uh for that. So for four uh this, four comments for the development, and I saw a hand raised and it looks as Joss Mahoney, but it looks like [1:48:42, 1:48:45]: It's yeah, there you go. Yes, please. Go ahead and speak, ma'am. [1:48:47, 1:49:06]: Yes, you yes, you. I it says Josh. Okay, thank you. Okay. I'm I don't I'm sorry, I don't know why it says that. Um my name is Amber. I recently bought a Liberty Community home here in Henry County. I don't know, I have a few concerns because you know I'm looking to purchase another home from Liberty Count uh Co communities in Stockbridge, but I have a few concerns. Um [1:49:06, 1:49:17]: You know, excuse me as a part of the committee the what I'm saying, as this I'm asking for people that have that are for the b development. Yes, I am for it. Okay, okay, good deal. Yes, I am for it. Okay, go ahead. I mean the [1:49:18, 1:49:22]: So we have to understand that, you know, bringing the building in new communities brings a lot of [1:49:23, 1:49:32]: It's not just about the houses, it's about the jobs that it brings, and it's about bringing in newer generations to maintain those those same things. So [1:49:32, 1:49:34]: Uh, I'm completely bored with [1:49:34, 1:49:41]: The brick siding with you know sewers bringing in a sewer. I mean, I'm not sure how they don't how already have one, but you know, those are [1:49:42, 1:49:46]: put in to help, you know, with airborne diseases. You know, waste needs to be [1:49:46, 1:50:00]: distributed you know cleanly that's you need to ensure that we're not you know harboring diseases in the community um another thing is um i am for the development of the community however it's it's um [1:50:00, 1:50:20]: There's a lot of a lot of pullback that kind of it's kind of deterring me at from Stockbridge, not from Liberty Communities, because I I hear them, they're giving, they're giving, they're giving, but I don't hear from a lot of council members that they're willing to negotiate. It's over the citizens are saying. Well, we have to keep in mind that these citizens already live there and we [1:50:20, 1:50:29]: want to welcome change about. So we want to welcome new people to that city, but we can't only hear it one-sided. [1:50:30, 1:50:34]: So and so I'm for Liberty Communities and I applaud them for, you know, making [1:50:35, 1:50:49]: trying to make all these changes, but at what point are is it enough? I'm I'm I'm I'm all I'm hearing is this, this, this, no, no, no, no. But Liberty Communities are bringing about beautiful homes, affordable homes. [1:50:49, 1:51:00]: to all time all all kinds, different minorities, you know, they're they're trying to meet and these homes are very sturdy. They're they're reliable, you know, they're they are, I love this home. [1:51:01, 1:51:04]: I couldn't some of these things that I'm here, I mean it is disheartening. [1:51:05, 1:51:15]: It is disheartening. I would like to expand to Stockbridge and buy another home as a service connected veteran. I mean, but some of the things I'm hearing from the Stock Bridge community, we have to understand these are people that already there. [1:51:16, 1:51:21]: Those people won't be there forever. So we need to be able to still welcome in some some new. [1:51:21, 1:51:33]: And I I think Liberty Community, I I'm for it. I fully support it. I mean, I I hope that the community and the developers and the council members that are not for it give it a chance because what is done in Henry County is beautiful. [1:51:33, 1:51:47]: And we we need to keep that in mind. The amenities that they're bringing, let's not forget that we can't accommodate everyone in one building, and that's now. And everybody won't choose to come into one area at one time. 25 people. [1:51:47, 1:51:55]: I it's doable because we're in the middle of a pandemic. Fifty people I don't even think can be in a building six feet apart all at one time. Just just [1:51:55, 1:52:15]: You know, just just give a little. I'm for it. I support them. All right. Now let me let me say this for you, ma'am, and everybody else. I forgot two things. One is that it's a public hearing, so both for and against if individuals will be able to speak. I forgot to say to you that you need to give your name and your address, please. I'm sorry. So my name is Amber. Uh recently it changed to [1:52:15, 1:52:20]: Whitaker. I stay in Henry County Um Dickens Garden Lane, Park Place of Avalon. [1:52:21, 1:52:21]: Mm-hmm. [1:52:21, 1:52:41]: Okay. And the other thing is is that I I I don't that we need to keep a time limit on this so we don't go very long. So typically time typically our time limit is three minutes. So anybody else that has comments for and against, uh keep your time limit to three minutes, please, if you can. Mayor Pro Tem, I'm I just open session. I need to hear from the citizen. You'll get a chance to speak in a little bit. Let me get to the [1:52:41, 1:52:44]: That's the rule. [1:52:45, 1:52:54]: Well, what w I don't understand what I don't recall a rule that rule particularly. But in this act sir. That's the rule. Ten twelve minutes. [1:52:55, 1:52:59]: I don't I don't recall that off the top of my head. Mr ask Mr. Nine, please. [1:53:01, 1:53:06]: Ms. Knighton, can you clarify that? And I'm and actually our attorneys should be able to clarify that as well. [1:53:06, 1:53:13]: This aspect. I I don't recall a ten minute for or ten minute against. I think the council can determine [1:53:13, 1:53:18]: how much time that you want to allot to those who are proponents and opponents. Right. [1:53:18, 1:53:24]: So what so typically what we have when someone speaks for public comments is three minutes. So ma'am, um [1:53:24, 1:53:31]: Amber, you've already spoken. That's fine. I just I forgot to mention up front. Okay. Uh anybody else for? Uh an another. [1:53:31, 1:53:49]: Yeah, just another lady says Josh Mahoney. That's your hands up, ma'am. I uh so go ahead. I'm I'm looking at you, but I okay, your name and and address please. Yes, my name is Angela Stitt. I live at 809 McBin Court and uh I do have a McDonna address, but I do not live very far from where this development will go in. [1:53:49, 1:53:53]: And I want to state up front that I am for. [1:53:53, 1:53:56]: this development. I feel like the um [1:53:56, 1:54:08]: The spaciousness of the design overall is amazing because it allows for flexibility in what people will see when they come in. It won't be a cookie cutter. [1:54:08, 1:54:09]: type. [1:54:09, 1:54:13]: Um atmosfere, but the actual four sided brick. [1:54:13, 1:54:13]: Um [1:54:14, 1:54:34]: Structure is um wonderful because it's obviously less upkeep, but it does add to the property values. I feel like the the variety of lot sizes that they have presented will also assist in keeping the variety but yet quality neighborhood homes so that everybody [1:54:34, 1:54:38]: Nobody's house doesn't have to be or yard doesn't have to be exactly the same. [1:54:39, 1:54:48]: But yet it's still quality and we recognize that the home values will remain um in good standing. They've offered us a lot of [1:54:48, 1:55:08]: flexibleness, uh flexibility in the green spaces with trying to maintain some of the things that were already there with the pond, things like that. So I feel like in that case, not too many developers are willing to develop that much space for just a community type thing setting with um keeping in mind [1:55:08, 1:55:17]: The green spaces that are available. I also wanted to point out that, um, as my other person before me did, that what [1:55:17, 1:55:37]: One of the best things that this would do would also bring people to our area. Um, people who may not have uh thought of that area before, but being able to have the different size homes the way they are would also allow for whatever is needed for their home and their family. So I do feel like that that's [1:55:37, 1:55:39]: A benefit the good design. [1:55:39, 1:55:51]: um would assist them. So I just think it would be awesome for our community and keeping with that quality that Henry County is noted for and just inviting those families in. [1:55:51, 1:55:57]: economically, they're going to support our local businesses and we're going to benefit all the way around. [1:55:57, 1:56:09]: That's all. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Uh and madam clerk, thank you. I appreciate that. Uh your your godsend. I appreciate all the things you do. Uh anybody else, uh citizens for? [1:56:09, 1:56:13]: Any other citizen for I see um a Randy Stitt, that's if that's how you pronounce your name. [1:56:14, 1:56:17]: Yes, sir, that's correct. Ready to go ahead. Okay, go ahead, sir. [1:56:18, 1:56:23]: Thank you, sir. I live eight oh nine McVean Court in McDonald, Georgia. Henry County resident. [1:56:23, 1:56:39]: And I am for the development. Um just the simple word development is um something that I think we should focus on because it is as as was stated earlier in the council's discussions, that that is something that is considered progress moving forward. [1:56:39, 1:56:42]: And I'm all for progress and for adding and for [1:56:42, 1:56:46]: bringing in a development that would be of this quality um [1:56:46, 1:56:48]: As a homeowner and um [1:56:49, 1:56:50]: uh an investor in a home [1:56:51, 1:56:54]: I think it is important to focus on the quality of these homes. [1:56:55, 1:56:58]: Um, as was mentioned in their development, it's gonna be four sided brick. [1:56:59, 1:57:16]: And that is something that a lot of homeowners will look for, something that is um something that will be longstanding and will take a lot less homeowner maintenance and will be more aesthetically pleasing to the eye. So I think that's important for this subdivision to [1:57:17, 1:57:21]: to promote that and to show that and to be willing to do that in in the [1:57:21, 1:57:24]: home building there and also to give [1:57:24, 1:57:27]: The space for each of those lots um [1:57:27, 1:57:31]: I think that's also important to not try to put in more homes. [1:57:31, 1:57:33]: That would be suitable for that. [1:57:33, 1:57:35]: um development to go in there. [1:57:36, 1:57:39]: And for everyone to be willing to give and and to [1:57:39, 1:57:44]: make the changes and to accommodate. I think that has been a a positive aspect. [1:57:44, 1:57:57]: of this presentation this evening and to hear that they're willing to give and and to do what is is necessary to bring progress and development to that area and to make something that would be available for [1:57:57, 1:58:02]: homeowners and home buyers to to be able to move into the area and to grow. [1:58:02, 1:58:04]: And develop Henry County even more. [1:58:04, 1:58:07]: That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Stanley. Appreciate that. [1:58:08, 1:58:12]: I see home. I see a Jane hamcock, hammock, I guess it is, hammock. [1:58:14, 1:58:14]: Quay, please. [1:58:17, 1:58:18]: You have to unmute? [1:58:20, 1:58:23]: Jane Hammock, your hand is raised risen. [1:58:27, 1:58:37]: Can you hear me now? No, I can hear you, ma'am. Go right here, please. Okay, I'm sorry. I lived on this property for forty five Could you give your address, please? I'm sorry, ma'am. Please name and address, please. [1:58:38, 1:58:44]: I grew up on the property that you're discussing, seven thirty two Brandon Road. Okay. [1:58:44, 1:58:47]: And I live about a mile from there now. [1:58:48, 1:58:59]: Um I but I I lived there for 45 plus years and now I'm just a short distance away in a much smaller subdivision with much smaller lots. [1:58:59, 1:59:04]: And we as a family have no problem with the property being developed. [1:59:04, 1:59:11]: As it is more than comparable to the other developments in our neighborhood, and I think it rises above all of them. [1:59:12, 1:59:17]: And that's what I have to say. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. I really appreciate your comments. [1:59:18, 1:59:18]: Okay. [1:59:19, 1:59:22]: I have a um a chapman, is that a Cali? [1:59:22, 1:59:23]: Uh Chapman. [1:59:24, 1:59:25]: I see with a hand risen. [1:59:25, 1:59:33]: Uh yes, sir. It is uh Chapman on here, but it's recently changed to Pike. It is Kaylee Pike at four fifteen Jana Lane, McDonough, Georgia. [1:59:34, 1:59:35]: Okay. Go ahead, please. [1:59:36, 1:59:45]: Um, my name is Kayleigh Pike. Um, I am a school teacher. I'm also a long-term resident of Henry County, and I actually just bought a new home there. [1:59:45, 1:59:55]: I have several friends and coworkers who are interested in moving to Henry County. From what I understand, this community will have walking trails and other amenities that make it a great addition. [1:59:55, 2:00:00]: Um, I have been in the area all of my life and it's wonderful to see this growth coming about. [2:00:00, 2:00:08]: Um, all of the new restaurants, the new shops that are going to be added. Um, it is also very exciting to see these new homes coming to the area. [2:00:09, 2:00:17]: I am in support of this project because I believe it's a great community for my friends to have the options to purchase a new home and to enjoy with their families. [2:00:19, 2:00:20]: Thank you very much. I appreciate your comment. [2:00:21, 2:00:29]: Yes, sir. Thank you. Okay. I s I have another individual. Someone's has their mic on. Hot mic there. [2:00:29, 2:00:32]: So Josh Mahoney, an individual in a red sweater. [2:00:32, 2:00:33]: Um [2:00:33, 2:00:36]: A a website there atop. [2:00:37, 2:00:38]: Uh I think that's me. [2:00:39, 2:00:41]: Okay, we're in here, sir. Yes. What's your name and address, please? [2:00:42, 2:00:44]: Name is Frank Flucas. Um at seven zero one two [2:00:45, 2:00:46]: Becca Lane in Locust Grove, Georgia. [2:00:47, 2:00:51]: Um I'm actually a realtor. I'm actually a business owner in Henry County. [2:00:52, 2:00:52]: And [2:00:53, 2:00:56]: I feel like this is a much needed thing for the county. Uh [2:00:57, 2:00:58]: Basically right now we've got [2:00:59, 2:01:02]: A shortage of inventory, we've got we've got more buyers in inventory. [2:01:03, 2:01:05]: Liberty Bills a quality product. [2:01:05, 2:01:19]: And I feel like them bringing the product to the area is only a win-win for everybody, especially realtors for for businesses and and also for uh the the county development term of taxes and things of that nature. So I really think this is a good positive thing. [2:01:20, 2:01:22]: I think it should be approved and you know, I'm all for it. [2:01:23, 2:01:25]: Thank you, sir. I appreciate your comments. [2:01:25, 2:01:27]: Yes, um Vanessa Holiday, yes ma'am. [2:01:30, 2:01:32]: I need the gentleman to repeat his name, please. [2:01:33, 2:01:35]: My name is Frank Flukas. [2:01:35, 2:01:36]: Frank Lucas. [2:01:37, 2:01:37]: Locus. [2:01:39, 2:01:42]: Thank you. Fluc Flucas, you said flucas, right? [2:01:42, 2:01:43]: Yes. [2:01:43, 2:01:47]: Frank Frukless. Yes. Would you spell it for me, please, your last name? [2:01:48, 2:01:51]: It's F is in Frank, L-U-C-A-S. [2:01:51, 2:01:52]: Thank you. [2:01:53, 2:01:59]: Okay. Any other any other uh citizens uh four? Uh I see uh Tariska, Tarica? [2:02:00, 2:02:02]: Sorry if I mispronounced your name, ma'am. [2:02:02, 2:02:10]: Turkesa Taylor. Turkesa Turkisa Taylor. Go ahead. Yes. Name a name and address, please. Uh 175 Country Club Drive. [2:02:10, 2:02:11]: Okay, go ahead, please. [2:02:11, 2:02:12]: So [2:02:12, 2:02:17]: Um, as a resident and I'm also a realtor. [2:02:17, 2:02:26]: Um, I've been selling new homes for seventeen years and worked for all types of builders. Never have I seen a development that's proposed [2:02:27, 2:02:41]: um in this manner for you know pavilions, heating and cooling, um, bocce ball, fire pits, um, these type of amenities, um, foresight brick, and then at the starting prices that [2:02:41, 2:02:44]: that um is proposed is [2:02:45, 2:02:47]: I I wouldn't say unheard of, I just haven't [2:02:47, 2:02:56]: You know, it's unbelievable. And I feel like it's actually gonna like everyone else is saying, you know, uh providing opportunities for those people who want some [2:02:57, 2:03:17]: Uh quality built homes and in the Henry County area. I am definitely all for it and I'm excited to see what happens. I'm excited to see this development comes about. And I think that future homeowners and [2:03:17, 2:03:26]: And residents of of Stockbridge and Henry County are gonna be pleasantly supp they're gonna be very excited as well. [2:03:27, 2:03:29]: Okay. Thank you, Ma'am. Mayor Mayor Ford. [2:03:30, 2:03:30]: Yes, sir. [2:03:30, 2:03:33]: This is Randy Knights and I wanna make one correction. [2:03:33, 2:03:34]: What's that? [2:03:34, 2:03:39]: There is a section in the code that talks about public hearings before the zoning advisory board of planning commission. [2:03:40, 2:03:44]: And the mayor and council related to rezoning items twelve twelve oh oh five. [2:03:45, 2:03:47]: It does talk about ten minutes for [2:03:48, 2:03:51]: uh proponents and ten minutes for opposition. [2:03:52, 2:03:54]: There's also a section that does state. [2:03:54, 2:03:59]: That the mayor or chair of the zoning advisory board or planning commission [2:03:59, 2:04:02]: can extend the time per their discretion. [2:04:03, 2:04:23]: All right. Well, since we're already started down this road of three minutes per individual, I want to continue along that line uh to allow the people that may still have comments for and then anybody against in that aspect to be fair to both sides as best as possible. I appreciate that, uh Mr. Knight and any other research that if that was done with you or our attorneys, I appreciate that thought. [2:04:23, 2:04:31]: Sorry, Mayor Pro Tem, we're gonna go along this other line. We've already started. Uh Miss Uh Davis, uh Larae Davis, I believe you're four. [2:04:33, 2:04:53]: Unmute yourself, please. Unmute yourself. I'm sorry about that. Yep. My my name is Larae Davis and I'm actually the president of sales for Liberty um professionals on one seventy five Country Cliff Drive. I've been a realtor um in Georgia for over twenty years. I actually opened up a community um over there called the Southern Eagles Landing. Um twenty [2:04:53, 2:05:01]: Years ago, so long. But um, I do want to say I am definitely for the project because, as real estate agents, if you're watching what's happening in the market, there's not [2:05:02, 2:05:05]: enough properties in the area, good quality property. [2:05:05, 2:05:10]: projects and and I know what will we'll bring to the area. [2:05:10, 2:05:17]: Other one thing I wanted to address, I think Councilman Gingett, you were concerned about the size of the clubhouse and how many people hold. I think um [2:05:18, 2:05:38]: I live in a community that's actually 1200 homes. So you'll know our our clubhouse holds 35 people, but we do have the pavilion, which we're able to have gatherings, which we do all the time in the community for over probably about 50 to 75 people because the as long as we open the doors to extend it, we're able to extend it all the way out. So it's it's really nice. [2:05:38, 2:05:40]: really nice and it it would definitely work. [2:05:40, 2:05:48]: So I don't want y'all to think just because it's a number 25, you can't still host your events. That's one of the great things about having cover, having the um the uh [2:05:48, 2:05:55]: The fire pit area is is very nice. And I would love for y'all to come take a tour if you ever want to. So you can actually see how it looks, but it's really nice. [2:05:56, 2:06:16]: I'm definitely for the project. Okay. Thank you, Ms. Davis, for your comments. Um, I uh is there any more four before we go to any anybody against? Any more four? I don't see any others. So if that is the case, we will uh identify people that uh have uh comments against this particular project for one reason or another. Anyone that is against [2:06:16, 2:06:22]: Against uh any comments, any hands? I still don't see anybody. [2:06:24, 2:06:30]: Okay. I don't see anybody that is against the right now, Mayor uh Mayor, give me just a second. [2:06:31, 2:06:31]: Okay. [2:06:42, 2:06:43]: Uh Susan Cannon. [2:06:44, 2:06:45]: Yeah, so [2:06:46, 2:06:47]: Please unmute yourself. [2:06:50, 2:06:54]: Hi, can you hear me now? Go right, go right ahead, Miss Cannon. [2:06:54, 2:06:59]: Okay, my name is Susan Cannon. I live at six oh four Page Court in Moss Court. [2:06:59, 2:07:08]: uh Moss Point and we are a to our community. Uh there's been a lot of talk about the traffic, but I think the focus is not where it needs to be on the traffic and [2:07:08, 2:07:13]: Two thousand nineteen they say there were thirty six hundred cars traveling this road. [2:07:13, 2:07:17]: Um thirty six hundred tr uh cards, there's probably more than that now. [2:07:18, 2:07:18]: But [2:07:19, 2:07:25]: We're looking at thirty six hundred traveling Brennan Road from one end of Brennan to the other. [2:07:25, 2:07:36]: That may not be a very high area if you look at that total area. But I think where we need to focus is in this very short distance uh between Moss Point [2:07:36, 2:07:38]: And Clark Meadows. [2:07:38, 2:07:40]: This is just several hundred yards. [2:07:41, 2:07:47]: There's going to be approximately nine hundred cars in these three neighborhoods. If each house has [2:07:47, 2:07:52]: three uh two cars and about twenty five percent of them are gonna have three. What goes out must come in. [2:07:53, 2:08:05]: We're looking at about eighteen hundred cars possibly just from these three neighborhoods that are going to be jumping into the road and just several hundred yards. And then from that point down to the school. [2:08:05, 2:08:18]: We're looking at less than an eighth of a mile from where the first dense subdivision will start having traffic coming out until you get to the crosswalk at an elementary school. [2:08:18, 2:08:26]: So I think that looking at that number of cars in that short space with three subdivisions dumping into it. [2:08:26, 2:08:28]: And a school there. [2:08:28, 2:08:31]: is a little different from looking at a long wide open road. [2:08:32, 2:08:37]: The other thing is sub uh Stockbridge is a small peninsula of land. [2:08:38, 2:08:39]: on Brandon Road. [2:08:39, 2:08:44]: It's surrounded by urban, I mean by um rural property. [2:08:45, 2:08:47]: And we already have two [2:08:47, 2:08:51]: Of the most dense subdivisions on Brandon Road. [2:08:51, 2:08:55]: Right here in this little piece of land called the city of Stockbridge. [2:08:56, 2:08:58]: If we put the subdivision in [2:08:58, 2:09:07]: We will be outlining the city of Stockbridge. We won't need welcome to the city of Stockbridge. It's gonna be that little spot of land. [2:09:08, 2:09:09]: In this role area. [2:09:09, 2:09:10]: They're useful. [2:09:11, 2:09:14]: It has three subdivisions in it that are high density. [2:09:15, 2:09:17]: I think that this is an opportunity to make our mark. [2:09:18, 2:09:23]: We are not looking at trying to keep the uh Clark family from selling. [2:09:23, 2:09:24]: This is [2:09:24, 2:09:25]: Oh [2:09:25, 2:09:26]: Specified mail. [2:09:26, 2:09:30]: Or a they can sell this land in one acre lots. [2:09:30, 2:09:38]: If you look right behind them on Salem Road, those lots are an acre to an acre and a half and the homes are sold before they ever start breaking the land. [2:09:38, 2:09:41]: You look at the freestanding homes. [2:09:41, 2:09:46]: on Brandon Road heading south, the large brick homes. [2:09:46, 2:09:50]: Homes north and south of Campground Road. [2:09:50, 2:10:08]: Uh there has been some remarks about minorities or ethnics. I'm sorry, you're three minutes are now up, ma'am. Okay. There is diversity in these large homes. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Uh Ms. Perryman, uh your uh have comments against this project. [2:10:08, 2:10:09]: Is that correct? [2:10:10, 2:10:13]: And so please unmute yourself and and let us know what your concerns are. [2:10:14, 2:10:15]: Ms. Perryman. [2:10:15, 2:10:16]: Anna Perriman. [2:10:21, 2:10:23]: Ms. Perryman, can you unmute yourself, please? [2:10:32, 2:10:33]: Okay, there you go. [2:10:33, 2:10:36]: Oh name name and address please, Ms. Perryman. [2:10:37, 2:10:49]: Okay. I don't know how I came under I couldn't get in it the other way. My name is Barber Fleischman. I live at 10 26 Brandon Road, McDonough, Georgia. And I've lived here 30 years. I have nine acres and um [2:10:50, 2:10:51]: I would just say [2:10:52, 2:11:03]: I have one comment about what Linda Logan said because I was in on the planning and zoning committee and every member of it voted against this project. So there wasn't anybody on that committee that voted for this. [2:11:03, 2:11:07]: So I was kind of um shocked at her comment that they were sort of for it. [2:11:08, 2:11:09]: But anyway, um [2:11:09, 2:11:11]: The traffic study is flawed. [2:11:11, 2:11:15]: Um, the traffic on Brandon Road is very heavy as it is now. [2:11:16, 2:11:17]: Um [2:11:18, 2:11:21]: We we're not opposed to having [2:11:22, 2:11:25]: more here, but we would like to have larger lots. [2:11:25, 2:11:29]: That is a tremendous amount of number of houses to put in there. [2:11:30, 2:11:31]: And wild wood. [2:11:31, 2:11:41]: is right in between my house and the proposed development. They have large lots in there. So the larger lots are selling. This is still a rural area and we'd like to keep it that m way. [2:11:41, 2:11:49]: as much as possible. Like I said, we're not against having houses built in there, but we would prefer uh, you know. [2:11:49, 2:11:50]: At least [2:11:50, 2:11:53]: twenty five hundred square feet be the minimum and [2:11:54, 2:12:00]: in larger lots, you know, half acre and up,'cause those are just that's just the density is just too much for the area. [2:12:00, 2:12:20]: And the school, they have I don't know how much room they would have to spread out to allow new students. That land was taken, I understand, by eminent domain. So they could either there's houses on either side. So I guess they'd have to take somebody's house if they want to expand the school. And I don't think people would be for that. So I'm totally against this development as [2:12:20, 2:12:22]: Going forward as it is. Thank you. [2:12:22, 2:12:32]: Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate your comments. Um, I see a uh Miss uh uh Bonda Allen. Are you speaking uh against this project, ma'am? Miss Allen. [2:12:34, 2:12:41]: You're saying Yolanda Allen. That's me. Yes, ma'am. Go right ahead. You're you comment. Hi, good evening, everybody. Name and address, please. [2:12:42, 2:12:46]: Uh Yolanda Allen, four six five at Story Away. I live in the Clark Meadows subdivision. [2:12:48, 2:12:49]: Go ahead, please. [2:12:49, 2:13:07]: Um, I kind of like to echo a little bit on what Ms. Fleischman Fleischmann had mentioned in regards to the minimum lot size uh or the square footage on the homes and the um the density of the homes. You know, would the uh builder consider maybe decreasing [2:13:07, 2:13:09]: Uh the density. [2:13:09, 2:13:17]: Of the homes. I think as it stands now, it's 139 homes. Maybe consider going down to maybe about 125. [2:13:17, 2:13:19]: And increasing the square footage. [2:13:20, 2:13:36]: on the lots and the home sizes as well. As far as all the other designs, adding the pool and the four-sided brick. I mean those all sound good and well and it sounds beautiful. And I think it would complement what we have here in my subdivision. [2:13:37, 2:13:44]: Um, I just also think that we don't have in in the the city of Stockbridge and McDonough. [2:13:45, 2:13:51]: Enough of amenities outside of what's being built, such as um [2:13:51, 2:14:00]: Family style restaurants, uh shopping as compared to other high-end uh counties such as Cog County. [2:14:01, 2:14:03]: We don't have all of those things to kind of [2:14:04, 2:14:05]: Um [2:14:06, 2:14:15]: uh go with uh what what we're having built here in the city of stockbridge. We don't have those amenities. And I just feel like it's it's it's [2:14:16, 2:14:22]: In the end, we're still gonna have people leaving our county, going to other counties and putting money, investing money in their counties. [2:14:23, 2:14:27]: uh as opposed to investing in our county since we don't have those same type of amenities. [2:14:28, 2:14:32]: So I think about that as well, you know, um as far as, you know. [2:14:32, 2:14:33]: You know. [2:14:33, 2:14:35]: Building homes here. [2:14:35, 2:14:36]: Um [2:14:37, 2:14:41]: I'm against it um b for those reasons and um [2:14:42, 2:14:47]: I think that's all I have to say. I mean, but I would really would like for the builder to consider. [2:14:48, 2:14:54]: uh decreasing the amount of homes and maybe increasing the uh the lot size and the [2:14:54, 2:14:58]: The square footage on the homes. I think that would be a lot nicer. [2:14:58, 2:15:02]: um for this area if they do decide, you know, to make those changes. [2:15:04, 2:15:06]: Thank you, Ms. Allen. I appreciate your comments. [2:15:06, 2:15:07]: All right, thank you. [2:15:07, 2:15:08]: Okay. [2:15:08, 2:15:13]: Uh I have a Wendy Kirkpatrick. I saw your hand was raised. You had a hand raised. [2:15:13, 2:15:19]: Wendy Kirkpatrick. Yes, sir. Thank you. Um thank you. Name and address, please. [2:15:20, 2:15:24]: Um my name is Wendy Kilpatrick. I live at three three four Brandon Road, McDonough, Georgia. [2:15:25, 2:15:25]: Um [2:15:25, 2:15:30]: I would like to echo uh the sentiments of for oko opposition. [2:15:30, 2:15:41]: Uh just as everyone else has stated, uh with the traffic concerns, the education infrastructure, um, I would like the board to consider or council to consider. [2:15:41, 2:15:42]: Um they [2:15:43, 2:15:43]: Uh [2:15:43, 2:15:52]: impact that it's going to have on our education system. We do not want to be a Clayton County where it does it's dysfunct because everybody's moving to Henry County. [2:15:52, 2:15:53]: And we just can't um [2:15:53, 2:15:55]: Hold everyone in the schools. [2:15:55, 2:16:06]: Um, we would really like for you guys to uh consider the traffic study because it was done during COVID um and it was not um dur during routine times. [2:16:07, 2:16:07]: Um [2:16:08, 2:16:12]: We would like for you to consider the planning and zoning board uh decision. [2:16:13, 2:16:15]: Uh they were all opposed to it. [2:16:15, 2:16:20]: Um and you guys uh employ those individuals to seek counsel to you. [2:16:20, 2:16:28]: Uh, they actually listen to our concerns and um and I'm hoping that uh as counsel here that you guys will also. [2:16:29, 2:16:31]: Uh listen to your planning and zoning. Um [2:16:32, 2:16:33]: Decision [2:16:33, 2:16:35]: It was a very careful decision. [2:16:36, 2:16:36]: Um [2:16:37, 2:16:42]: like to make sure that everyone understands that this might have conflict of interest. [2:16:42, 2:16:47]: Um, I see a lot of people that are are for this, but I can see that if you're in real estate. [2:16:47, 2:16:52]: Uh you would probably be for this because it would be for more money for the area. [2:16:52, 2:16:58]: My consideration would also to be to consider the zoning uh to just be R one or R two. [2:16:58, 2:17:00]: Um which is commensurate for this area. [2:17:01, 2:17:02]: Uh we uh [2:17:02, 2:17:04]: We are not opposed to growth. [2:17:04, 2:17:08]: А ви аппи да Форсайд Брикс. [2:17:08, 2:17:11]: Um and we are not opposed to [2:17:11, 2:17:15]: Um having another development here. But as we have stated before. [2:17:15, 2:17:32]: Um, there are some concerns about this proposal. We're also concerned about our rights after the fact that if this does get passed, um if they would be allowed to change the zoning again ha has it been in the other uh like Clark Meadows was R two to R three. [2:17:32, 2:17:34]: So uh that is my opposition. [2:17:35, 2:17:37]: Thank you, Mr. Pro Pratt. Appreciate it. [2:17:37, 2:17:45]: Um I see a a Gene Strickland. Are you uh against this project, sir? You need to make comments to this for this. [2:17:48, 2:18:05]: Gene is with uh Liberty Community. I'm on the Liberty Community thing. Okay, screw me. Okay, I got you. No problem. Thank you. Okay, anybody else? Uh a uh is there a I see a uh Veneera Vern Verna, I guess Ferg uh Ferry? [2:18:07, 2:18:08]: Yes, can you hear me? [2:18:08, 2:18:11]: Yes, I can hear you. Your name and address, please, ma'am. [2:18:11, 2:18:31]: Martin and Verna Ferry, 406 North Salem Drive and McDonough. We want to thank the Mayor Ford and Council for listening to us and giving us this opportunity. We're not opposed to the uh development, to a development. We're just opposed RA to R3. [2:18:31, 2:18:51]: That is not contingent with the rest of our area. If you take a look at the maps that have shown, uh this parcel is like the big toe on the end of the foot. It is surrounded by RA and R1 and R2 properties. We are unincorporated Henry County, not City and [2:18:51, 2:18:59]: Don, this is the only parcel or city of Stockbridge. I'm sorry, this is the only parcel that is City of Stockbridge, and we're asking you to. [2:19:00, 2:19:20]: try to conform along with our community and at what we're looking at. We would like for the zoning to complement our area, not to, not to congest it and uh to enhance it instead. We we appreciate you listening to us. We'd also like to leave a little bit of our time, if we can, to go [2:19:19, 2:19:34]: towards Mark Jones. He has a uh a uh PowerPoint presentation that the community got together that we would like you to to look at because this covers all the points we were we're thinking about. Thank you very much. [2:19:34, 2:19:43]: Thank you, Ms. Uh Ferry. Okay, so you mentioned a Mr. Mark Jones. Uh and Mr. Jones, uh [2:19:44, 2:19:50]: I have to admit I don't see you. Uh my eyes may be deceiving me here. Um [2:19:52, 2:19:53]: I don't see him either. [2:19:53, 2:20:05]: Okay. Besides Mr. Jones, if he pops up, uh anybody else uh that has comments uh that's uh uh not for this particular development. Anybody? [2:20:07, 2:20:08]: Anybody else? [2:20:10, 2:20:27]: Sir, um Mark Jones has uh stated that he cannot get into the link that he was provided. He has been our elected spokesperson. Um I had to leave early to uh attend a an accident. Um and so I didn't know that he hadn't spoken for the behalf of our community. We he has a [2:20:27, 2:20:31]: lengthy presentation to for the board he did for [2:20:31, 2:20:38]: the planning and zoning committee as well. So um I didn't know he was not afforded the opportunity to speak. Um can we try to get him a link? [2:20:40, 2:20:42]: Well, okay. How uh hm. [2:20:43, 2:20:48]: Mayor Yes, who who yeah Attorney Gantt, I mean Councilwoman Gantt. Yes. [2:20:48, 2:20:49]: All right. [2:20:49, 2:20:50]: Um [2:20:51, 2:21:01]: I did see where Mark Jones did put in a QA that he was trying how do he how how does he have the opportunity to share his screen? [2:21:02, 2:21:03]: However, that was at six twenty. [2:21:05, 2:21:12]: PM. I don't know if he's still on here or not. Um, so he he was here and he asked, How can I share my screen? [2:21:13, 2:21:14]: That's it. [2:21:14, 2:21:34]: Okay, well I don't see him now and I would imagine if we were going to uh see us show a screen, uh I would imagine that the IT would be able to allow him in to do that. Um now granted we've been having these conversations for only three minutes, so I don't know if you can do this in three minutes if he's back on um in this aspect. So [2:21:35, 2:21:43]: Let's see here. Besides Mr. Jones, is anybody else that uh has any comments against this uh project that's available right now? [2:21:44, 2:21:45]: Joanne Young? [2:21:46, 2:21:47]: Excuse me. [2:21:47, 2:21:55]: Hello? Oh you hear me? Yes, Joanne Young. Okay, my name Joanne Young. Um I live six one six Vindela Circle. [2:21:56, 2:21:59]: I lived here for at least uh almost eight years. [2:21:59, 2:22:01]: It's a wonderful place to live. [2:22:01, 2:22:04]: But I have a problem. If if you all [2:22:04, 2:22:08]: Uh commissioner uh politicians can promise to [2:22:09, 2:22:11]: Build uh the school. [2:22:11, 2:22:12]: And um [2:22:13, 2:22:17]: And the roads need to be uh developed better. [2:22:17, 2:22:21]: 'Cause it's so narrow, it's dangerous, no lights, no sidewalks. [2:22:22, 2:22:23]: Does I I have [2:22:23, 2:22:28]: been to different areas in um Stockbridge or McDonald. [2:22:28, 2:22:37]: And they have sidewalks. You don't see too many houses because they into subdivision, but they have sidewalks all the way up the hill, all the way down the hill. [2:22:37, 2:22:40]: But here I see people they break down. [2:22:41, 2:22:45]: And and and then the roads is narrow when you go down Brennan and Road. [2:22:45, 2:22:47]: And you almost have getting to accident. [2:22:48, 2:22:49]: because it's no shoulder. [2:22:50, 2:22:52]: And sell and roll. [2:22:52, 2:22:52]: That's [2:22:53, 2:22:56]: Dangerous. That road, no lights, no [2:22:56, 2:22:57]: uh as narrow [2:22:58, 2:22:59]: Now think about the Russia out. [2:23:00, 2:23:02]: People trying to get on the other side to get on East Lake. [2:23:03, 2:23:03]: Okay. [2:23:04, 2:23:05]: So somebody break down there. [2:23:06, 2:23:08]: Was it's only just one light. [2:23:08, 2:23:12]: So a lot of people going to be late for work or [2:23:12, 2:23:15]: It it's just gonna be gridlocked. That's what I see. [2:23:16, 2:23:16]: But [2:23:16, 2:23:18]: If you all can promise to [2:23:18, 2:23:22]: uh develop more on that elementary school [2:23:22, 2:23:27]: Bring more teachers, more classes, like more buildings for the [2:23:27, 2:23:28]: Kids. [2:23:29, 2:23:33]: That would be great. You can build houses, but if you're gonna build all these houses. [2:23:34, 2:23:38]: 'Cause I think it's another uh lot down there. I think forty two, forty three acres. [2:23:39, 2:23:40]: They wanna build too. [2:23:41, 2:23:42]: So you build all the houses. [2:23:43, 2:23:45]: But the school is not developed. [2:23:45, 2:23:49]: That mean per house probably gonna be two to three kids. [2:23:49, 2:23:53]: Then they're gonna wind up at that elementary school, Hickory Flat. [2:23:54, 2:23:57]: And then that gonna be chaos. You're gonna have like maybe [2:23:57, 2:23:58]: Uh uh [2:23:58, 2:24:00]: Maybe twenty or thirty kids. [2:24:00, 2:24:01]: One teacher [2:24:02, 2:24:03]: And they're gonna be a problem. [2:24:03, 2:24:06]: For our kids to develop and learn. [2:24:06, 2:24:07]: And be educated. [2:24:08, 2:24:09]: So [2:24:09, 2:24:11]: That's the that's what I'm thinking about. [2:24:11, 2:24:13]: I'll oppose it, but [2:24:13, 2:24:14]: It's okay to build. [2:24:14, 2:24:16]: But to put all the houses [2:24:16, 2:24:18]: And don't do nothing to the schools. [2:24:18, 2:24:21]: Don't do none to the roads, don't do nothing to the lights. [2:24:22, 2:24:24]: That's when it's gonna be a failure. That's it. [2:24:25, 2:24:45]: Thank you, Ms. Uh Ms. Young. Um, I got another message about Mr. Jones here. I don't know how we can get him a link to get in to for this briefing presentation. If we're able to do that, fantastic. But I've also been told or seen that there's a couple other individuals that are currently on uh that want to make comments uh against so uh raise hand. So [2:24:45, 2:24:49]: So uh let me see where are these individuals? Who are they here? [2:24:50, 2:24:52]: Elisa Lyons. Elise Alliance. [2:24:53, 2:24:58]: Okay, we're okay. Miss Lions, go ahead and your name and address, please. [2:24:58, 2:25:03]: Good evening, sir. Uh my name is Eliza Lyons. We're on six fifteen North Salem Drive. [2:25:04, 2:25:06]: Uh, we've been here. [2:25:06, 2:25:17]: for a while now, along with uh some of our friends uh met the Ferry family right down the street. We've been friends with them for a long time. And as we talked in most of the community meetings previously, [2:25:18, 2:25:19]: Our [2:25:19, 2:25:28]: Primary issue is not with development. We are fine with it. We understand that growth is going to come. Henry County is a very quickly building place. [2:25:28, 2:25:33]: Uh, but we also want that to be controlled growth and planned growth. [2:25:33, 2:25:41]: This sub subdivision is going to bring too many people at once into a very compact area of the street. [2:25:41, 2:25:45]: We have other subdivisions there as long as also as well as uh [2:25:46, 2:25:48]: R Street that comes out into a very small area. [2:25:49, 2:25:56]: Which would cause congestion. There's no plans for stop signs, traffic lights, anything that would help with that issue. [2:25:57, 2:25:58]: Окурс [2:25:58, 2:26:00]: Several people have also brought up uh [2:26:00, 2:26:03]: Issues with the schools, there's no planned growth there. [2:26:04, 2:26:05]: There's no budget for it yet. [2:26:05, 2:26:06]: There's gonna be [2:26:07, 2:26:08]: Large influx of children. [2:26:09, 2:26:13]: People, cars, all these things that have not been prepped for yet. [2:26:14, 2:26:18]: with the southern uh community of this size coming into the area. [2:26:18, 2:26:19]: So again if [2:26:20, 2:26:28]: It was a smaller community coming in where it the growth would be a bit more gradual, that would be something we would be less opposed to. [2:26:30, 2:26:50]: All right, thank you, ma'am. I appreciate your comments. And I believe I saw that their Mark Jones is now online. And if he is, then uh he has a briefing. If he can do that briefing quickly and get the information out, would appreciate it. Um Mr. Jones, are you there? Yes, can you hear me? I can hear you, sir. So [2:26:50, 2:26:54]: Um is okay, there we go. Uh screen sharing. Oops. [2:26:55, 2:26:57]: Uh let me get my presentation up. I'm sorry. [2:26:57, 2:27:03]: I had a hard time getting in and I have no reason why. Why they were so hard. [2:27:04, 2:27:04]: Um [2:27:06, 2:27:09]: We go into slideshow view. [2:27:14, 2:27:15]: Get out of here. [2:27:17, 2:27:24]: Um let me just just do this. I know uh time is is is is is limited. Well time will start when you start your briefing, sir. Okay. [2:27:24, 2:27:25]: Um [2:27:25, 2:27:27]: So you can see my screen, I'll just go full screen from here. [2:27:28, 2:27:28]: Um [2:27:30, 2:27:32]: Mark my name's Mark Jones. I live at uh [2:27:32, 2:27:34]: Uh in the Westminster subdivision. [2:27:35, 2:27:37]: And I'm just gonna kinda make this brief. [2:27:38, 2:27:40]: Um as you can see here the [2:27:41, 2:27:44]: Area that's being rezoned. [2:27:44, 2:27:48]: is among m all this area which is unincorporated mc McDonna. [2:27:49, 2:27:52]: This part right here is stock bridge. So the surrounding area. [2:27:53, 2:27:58]: Most of this area is unincorporated McDonough and what's being rezoned is right here. [2:27:59, 2:28:05]: And our proposal is that this no three sides of it is RA and it's really not [2:28:05, 2:28:05]: Uh [2:28:07, 2:28:09]: ready for the that type of development. [2:28:10, 2:28:13]: Like I said, the surrounding the stock rayside. [2:28:13, 2:28:16]: You know, you have Crown Walkers is R one, Moss Point is R two. [2:28:17, 2:28:20]: Clark Metal, which on the front part of it is R two. [2:28:20, 2:28:23]: But the back part of it phase other phases are [2:28:24, 2:28:25]: It's R three. [2:28:25, 2:28:27]: And when they talk about density. [2:28:27, 2:28:33]: No, they're talking about you know battle and um the developer talks about gross density, but the zoning [2:28:34, 2:28:37]: Your zoning laws talk about net density. I'll talk about that in a minute. [2:28:39, 2:28:41]: Uh let me just kind of [2:28:41, 2:28:46]: And I appreciate the the the initial proposal obviously was a hundred and forty seven homes. [2:28:46, 2:28:51]: And um I appreciate the um developer, you know, adding some things to it, you know. [2:28:51, 2:28:52]: dropping the homes down. [2:28:53, 2:28:57]: From one thirty seven to one thirty nine. That's only a five to a five percent decrease. [2:28:58, 2:29:00]: Um, the home buys went up, which is good. [2:29:01, 2:29:04]: But you know, I said there's no standard clubhouse size. [2:29:04, 2:29:07]: Um and stuff like that. So the other [2:29:08, 2:29:14]: Thing is that, you know, value in their market analysis, they stress, you know, so many people are signing them to move to Henry County, which is true. [2:29:15, 2:29:18]: There is a strong market for people who want large high end homes. [2:29:19, 2:29:20]: But that's not a but [2:29:21, 2:29:25]: But people don't want large yards that don't want to be maintained. But there is another market as well. [2:29:26, 2:29:28]: And if you look at the imagine Henry uh [2:29:29, 2:29:30]: uh vision publication [2:29:30, 2:29:36]: There is a large market for people who have who want larger homes. [2:29:37, 2:29:44]: I mean you know, just having the small homes, uh I mean large lots on on uh large homes on small lots, there's there's more [2:29:45, 2:29:45]: In that. [2:29:46, 2:29:47]: So basically [2:29:48, 2:29:51]: We just go to go to this one right here. [2:29:53, 2:29:58]: So for Clark Mells, everything was was basically, you know, compared to that. [2:29:58, 2:30:03]: We gotta remember that took basically, you know, six years to build out that that subdivision. [2:30:03, 2:30:04]: Um [2:30:05, 2:30:09]: There's fifteen homes along Brennan Road that's developed under phase one, which is R two. [2:30:10, 2:30:11]: А сам понят і вас хейт. [2:30:11, 2:30:15]: And but the other remaining 127 homes were built. [2:30:15, 2:30:20]: under R three zoning and those houses are spaced ten to twenty feet apart. [2:30:21, 2:30:28]: And so there again, we have a R2 would give you a density, a gross density of 1.6 and a net density of 2.1. [2:30:29, 2:30:32]: But a R three gives you a gross density of three. [2:30:32, 2:30:36]: And uh and the net density of three point five. So why is that important? [2:30:39, 2:30:41]: That's because of your own zoning laws. [2:30:42, 2:30:43]: Now when you [2:30:44, 2:30:45]: For this development [2:30:47, 2:30:55]: The new development should demonstrate attention to the existing jacent neighborhoods and seek compatibility with the surrounding lot size. [2:30:55, 2:30:58]: So if you look at the medium density residential. [2:30:58, 2:31:03]: is up to six net dwelling units per area. This is net, not gross. [2:31:03, 2:31:08]: This should be low residential low density residential, which is up to two net. [2:31:08, 2:31:10]: Yeah, within per acre. [2:31:11, 2:31:20]: Mayor, I want to approve additional time. Okay. So and then again, so if you go to R2, you have three thousand square feet. [2:31:20, 2:31:25]: versus R three, which is eighteen thousand square feet, and what's not being met [2:31:25, 2:31:28]: Із ідеона до. [2:31:28, 2:31:30]: So we've got s suggested [2:31:31, 2:31:32]: as an alternative development. [2:31:32, 2:31:43]: You know, to do a upscale sync uh fifty five plus you know housing units. Cause I'm sorry, can you go back to the first that slide you just went to slide twenty real quick? One second. [2:31:48, 2:31:53]: It should be noted that these are Henry County and this is not the Stockbridge um requirements. [2:31:55, 2:32:00]: Yes, ma'am. Thank you. I just wanna I wanna see what they're talking about. That's fine. Go ahead. Okay. [2:32:04, 2:32:09]: Okay, so you know, the main thing is to remove the the purpose of this of the stock bridge zoning code. [2:32:10, 2:32:16]: is to promote the health, safety, aesthetics and convenience and order and prosperity for the general weather of the present and future. [2:32:16, 2:32:23]: And to minimize congestion and to prevent overcrowding of land, avoiding uh undue concentration of urban sprawl. [2:32:24, 2:32:26]: In closing, you know. [2:32:26, 2:32:33]: Um the Stockbridge uh PNZ members have involved with every aspect of the proposal and their recommendation was no. [2:32:34, 2:32:41]: Um you have to consider also is that the R two zoning would be an ex acceptable alternative. [2:32:41, 2:32:47]: No, that would match Clark Meadows phase one net density of two point one units per acre. [2:32:47, 2:32:52]: Which is around ninety five homes on forty eight acres.'Cause you gotta look at the math on this. [2:32:52, 2:32:55]: If you're talking about a hundred and thirty nine homes. [2:32:55, 2:33:01]: On only you know forty five or forty eight uh develop uh uh acres. [2:33:01, 2:33:03]: You know, you're talking about three units per acre. [2:33:04, 2:33:05]: And [2:33:05, 2:33:08]: That's around fourteen thousand square feet. [2:33:08, 2:33:24]: Now some of those homes on the front part of it are going to be larger, like they said. And that means the rest of them in the back are going to be smaller, closer towards the quarter quarter acre size or around a third of an acre. [2:33:24, 2:33:30]: And that's the problem that we're having because if you look at the you know the all the area around it. [2:33:30, 2:33:35]: And also, you know, they are considering the other traffic that McDonough [2:33:35, 2:33:38]: is going to be having as well because there's going to be [2:33:39, 2:33:41]: Like I saw on the picture I show before. [2:33:42, 2:33:48]: You know, they got development that's going on um Eagles Landing Parkway at the stone at um [2:33:49, 2:33:49]: Um [2:33:50, 2:33:52]: The road that runs into Brandon Road. [2:33:53, 2:33:57]: So th if they're building a large development there, there's gonna be a lot of in uh traffic. [2:33:58, 2:34:08]: not only from the Stockbridge side, but also from the McDonough side. And so anything that's really large like this is going to make the traffic even worse. And that's not being considered. [2:34:09, 2:34:19]: Because what you're seeing is everything from the stock produced uh perspective, but nothing from the other three sides of it, which is the unincorporated McDonald McDonough. [2:34:20, 2:34:37]: All right, sir. Appreciate it, Mr. Jones. Appreciate your presentation. Thank you, sir, very much. Um are there any other uh any other comments uh against? And if not, and then we'll I would end the uh this uh particular public hearing. Um [2:34:38, 2:34:58]: I don't see any others. Okay. If I have no others, then I would end this public hearing. I would end this public hearing in reference to the public comments. And now that that is ended, we did for and against. And on that note, we'll go back to the council for your final comments. And Mayor Pro Tem Alexander actually had his hand up at first. [2:34:58, 2:35:00]: Because uh I want uh [2:35:01, 2:35:05]: the applicant to come back and and respond to [2:35:06, 2:35:09]: Uh some of the assertions that were made uh by the [2:35:09, 2:35:13]: by the public. For example, Mister Jones said. [2:35:13, 2:35:15]: Uh a lot of the homes in the rear. [2:35:16, 2:35:19]: Would be smaller homes. Is that true or no? [2:35:20, 2:35:22]: Um that is not true. [2:35:22, 2:35:42]: And when we look at the um the site plan, I apologize, that's a letter I got up there. Hold on one second. Um we have um provided to you all the overall um requirements with regards to the um [2:35:42, 2:36:02]: site and I do actually have the information with regards to the unit sizes um that were that was requested and I apologize it looks like I closed my stuff accidentally um so I'm pulling it back up but I do have the actual um uh [2:36:02, 2:36:11]: lot size information um that had been requested and on the site plan, which I'm pulling up now. [2:36:18, 2:36:20]: Right here. All right. [2:36:21, 2:36:41]: So um when we look at the lots, for example, um we had increased the buffer um from 30 feet to 50 feet along this perimeter, which was cor um requested by um the community members. Um additionally, if we look at the lot sizes starting at lot. [2:36:41, 2:36:42]: eighty eight. [2:36:43, 2:37:03]: And if I go up to the screen, we do have um on the rear side of the property, um, the lots start at uh lot 68 and 69, and we are at roughly 17,000 uh square feet on lots 68 and 69. [2:37:03, 2:37:18]: Um the lots that go down uh the back side are the 12,000 square foot lots uh down a good portion um of the back of the project until we get to around 87. [2:37:19, 2:37:23]: The I'm sorry, the total amount of lots of four feet lots. [2:37:23, 2:37:42]: Okay, so I've got that information for us. Um, we've got 41 lots that are at 12,000 square feet. We've got 20 lots between 12,000 and 13,000 square feet. We've got roughly 28 lots between 13 and 15, and 50 lots between uh at 15 or up. [2:37:44, 2:37:45]: Okay, and um [2:37:45, 2:37:47]: There was a reference made to [2:37:47, 2:37:50]: There was no sidewalks on Brennan uh road. [2:37:51, 2:37:54]: Uh, does this proposal include some sidewalks with Brandon Road? [2:37:55, 2:38:15]: Absolutely. Um, we are doing 10-foot sidewalks along the frontage um of Brandon Road. And so where currently there are no sidewalks, when you look at the um community at Clark Meadows, they only did sidewalks right at the entrance. Um, we are doing sidewalks the entire length of the frontage. Um [2:38:15, 2:38:27]: um on Brandon Road and then this little slice of area here um going up towards North Salem Road. So we have um uh well over I don't know what the length of that um [2:38:28, 2:38:32]: area is here, but I'm sure it's more than a a thousand lineal feet. [2:38:32, 2:38:46]: I'm sorry, attorney battle. I'm sorry, Mayor Pro Tem, but can you repeat those numbers for me a little bit slower? I'm trying to write them down and and get it off. I got 41 homes. There you go. There you go. It's a hundred and [2:38:47, 2:38:48]: Thank you. [2:38:48, 2:39:08]: There you go. And I can talk while I'm doing that. So there's um uh we do have sidewalks along the entire frontage again. Um I don't have the exact uh lineal uh footage along there, but um it is a pretty good distance because we're almost at the entrance to Moss uh Point and all the way past the entrance. [2:39:08, 2:39:11]: entrance um at uh at Clark Meadows. [2:39:15, 2:39:20]: And those will be ten foot wide sidewalks. Will there be will there be side entry garages in this community? [2:39:21, 2:39:31]: Yes, there will be side entry garages on the larger lots. Um, we're expecting probably about uh 15% of those lots, 10 to 15 percent on the lots to have side entry garages. [2:39:32, 2:39:33]: Okay. All right. Thank you. [2:39:35, 2:39:35]: Okay. [2:39:36, 2:39:36]: Yeah. [2:39:37, 2:39:57]: Go right ahead, ma'am. Go ahead. Um one of the things I would um like to point out um was that the um individual, uh Mr. Uh Jones, who was talking about um the uh Clark Meadows community and the surrounding area, um again, we are um uh obliged to governor. [2:39:57, 2:40:17]: ourselves in accordance with the Stock Bridge land use comprehensive plan, in addition to the Stock Bridge Zoning Ordinance. And when we look at the Stock Bridge Zoning Ordinance and the Land Development Plan, we are squarely in line with the development that has already occurred in this area. [2:40:17, 2:40:37]: For the city of Stockbridge. Provides for different requirements with regards to square footage. For example, in the county, the square footage for R3 is 18,000 square foot, whereas in the city, the minimum [2:40:37, 2:40:57]: lot size is 12,000 square feet for R3. And so we are exceeding, we are quite honestly, in my opinion, really in the middle because we've got uh 12,000 square foot lots, but our average lot size is over 14,000 square foot lots, and we have lots that go as high as [2:40:57, 2:41:17]: Is 22,000 square feet. So we are trying to provide a range of lots. And we believe that if you look at the Clark Meadows community, which again was zoned PD, it was zoned PD, but in terms of um how [2:41:17, 2:41:37]: How they made that distinction, and I'm showing you the plat, final plat information from there. They note that while they rezoned it to PD, which was allowed, the specs kind of that they use for it was around R2 and R3. And so that's where that distinction. [2:41:37, 2:41:57]: Distinction comes. It's not that somebody flipped the script and did something different. They were simply showing how they calculated for that plan development, which used both the R2 and the R3 requirements at that time. And um when we look at those R three requirements. [2:41:56, 2:42:14]: You can see here that the minimum lot size for R2 was 15, or at least how they put it on here was 15,750. And for R3, for whatever reason, they've got 7,472.74. I'm not sure if that was truly the minimum back in 2012. [2:42:14, 2:42:34]: five or six when this was done. Um but clearly the minimum lot size now is 12,000 square feet. And so we are in line with that. And with regards to the R2, the minimum size um that well the minimum size now was actually 30,000 square feet. But that was not what it was apparently. [2:42:34, 2:42:54]: Back when this project was developed. But at that time, we also know that they were bringing sewer into this area. So those larger lots were sewer lots. I mean, sorry, were septic tank lots, and we have a sewer lot. And that is why we don't need the 30,000 square foot lot size. [2:42:54, 2:42:55]: Yeah. [2:42:55, 2:43:03]: So tell me again, how the size of the actual home that you're gonna build, the minimum size and the largest home. [2:43:05, 2:43:25]: The largest home may it exceed 3,000 square feet. I mean, it depends on what the homeowner wants because we will have different floor um layouts that will allow them to increase based on what their spending power is. Understand that any builder wants you to buy the most expensive, biggest house that you can buy. [2:43:25, 2:43:45]: built so in this case what we were suggesting was a average lot size of 2500 square feet which means we're going to have homes that are going to be bigger homes that be smaller but if it comes down to it and you want a 2500 square foot minimum I think that my client is willing to go along with that 2500 square foot minimum. [2:43:45, 2:44:03]: But understand what we were saying is that we would have a range, but it's always in the best interest of the builder to build the biggest house that they can build for that client that wants to buy it. I mean, they're not here to try and squeeze you in a small house when you run a big house. They want you to spend all your money on as much house as you can get. [2:44:04, 2:44:04]: Thank you. [2:44:06, 2:44:13]: Council, any other questions at all before we uh look at the yeah, Miss Councilwoman Gantt go ahead, please. Thank you. I have a couple more. [2:44:14, 2:44:15]: Um and [2:44:16, 2:44:18]: I actually have a suggestion. Uh [2:44:19, 2:44:19]: Um [2:44:21, 2:44:26]: Is there anyone on planning and zoning board that's here tonight? [2:44:27, 2:44:45]: We don't have any planning and zoning members that are present in this meeting tonight. No, I don't think they're pre I don't I don't recall the scene anybody's uh from the planning zoning board. No. I'm just curious as to why they unanimously voted no, but I also [2:44:45, 2:44:45]: Um [2:44:47, 2:44:52]: would like in the future that we have at least the chair here when we're listening to these type of [2:44:53, 2:44:55]: Hearing so that we can get [2:44:55, 2:44:57]: To take from the planning and zoning board. [2:44:57, 2:44:59]: All at once, not [2:44:59, 2:45:03]: one on one but with everyone present so we can have them here so we can hear from them. [2:45:04, 2:45:04]: Um [2:45:05, 2:45:07]: Personally. And then [2:45:09, 2:45:11]: I wrote I took a note here. [2:45:13, 2:45:20]: That one of the arguments that I heard from the citizens was that the other communities are zoned. [2:45:20, 2:45:25]: R one and R2 that are surrounding this subdivision. [2:45:26, 2:45:27]: Yeah. [2:45:27, 2:45:32]: I wanted to ask m probably this is probably for Linda. [2:45:33, 2:45:35]: Ведена да із кейс. [2:45:35, 2:45:39]: Um I I do understand that some of those are in Henry County. [2:45:40, 2:45:51]: Um, but I wanted to make sure I wanted to see whether or not that was the case. I do know that the the neighborhood directly across Clark Meadows is R2 and R three, as you mentioned earlier. [2:45:52, 2:45:53]: I would like to [2:45:53, 2:45:56]: No, if that's the case with the surrounding neighborhoods. [2:45:57, 2:46:00]: directly neighboring this subdivision. [2:46:01, 2:46:03]: And um [2:46:03, 2:46:07]: I also would like to suggest that maybe we consider our two. [2:46:08, 2:46:08]: Um [2:46:09, 2:46:13]: based off of some of the conditions that we're requiring as of now. [2:46:14, 2:46:15]: Um [2:46:15, 2:46:18]: And based off of the numbers and and what I'm saying. [2:46:18, 2:46:21]: With the description of the homes, we got forty one. [2:46:21, 2:46:23]: Between twelve thousand [2:46:24, 2:46:26]: Yeah, forty one hundred to twelve thousand square feet now. [2:46:27, 2:46:30]: You're talking to someone who comes from a neighborhood. [2:46:31, 2:46:32]: Of eleven hundred [2:46:33, 2:46:52]: Homes, is that not right, Mayor? No, almost not. Just under 900, I'm sorry. Okay, I'm sorry. We're we're we're in a um I live in a neighborhood of 900 homes and a and our roads aren't as small, as large as the road or wide as Brennan Road is at all. Um, and that's one subdivision. [2:46:52, 2:46:55]: Um we have several on our street. [2:46:56, 2:47:00]: I'm all for smart growth. I'm all for making sure. [2:47:01, 2:47:16]: that we do the right thing. Um I appreciate the developers working with us, willing to change with us. They've made every change that we've asked for so far in regards to the conditions being met. [2:47:17, 2:47:23]: Um, Clark Meadows has the majority of their homes at R two. I would like to see R two. [2:47:24, 2:47:27]: Um more of the R two residential look. [2:47:27, 2:47:35]: I do want the community to know that I'm an advocate for as a divorcee and as a single mother. [2:47:36, 2:47:37]: Um a single parent. [2:47:38, 2:47:46]: I'm an advocate for affordable housing, quality affordable housing for all. If we don't, we'll miss those. [2:47:47, 2:47:54]: Teachers will miss those law enforcement officers, um, each subdivision, even Eagles Landing. [2:47:54, 2:47:56]: Country Club has an enclave. [2:47:57, 2:48:05]: So we need to take that into consideration every time we look into developments. And just because we don't have a development agreement in place. [2:48:06, 2:48:09]: We need to consider we still that doesn't mean we can't mimic it. [2:48:11, 2:48:16]: So let's be smart about it. Um, I hear our citizens loud and clear. [2:48:16, 2:48:25]: Um you know, we are a growing county. I appreciate the fact that you do accept the fact that we are growing county. We are not rural. [2:48:26, 2:48:43]: But we do want to make sure that and we can't please everyone, but we want to make sense. And so I need to know if that surrounding area, I'm gonna go back to that question, whether or not a surrounding area, those are those neighborhoods are zoned R1, R2, R3. What are the majority of those neighborhoods on? [2:48:45, 2:49:05]: Um yes, my information from the count county is that uh yes, uh some of those areas are zone R A and R one and R two. Um uh would like to point out though that part of the reason that uh I believe that this um developer asked for R3 is because the presence of the floodplain. [2:49:05, 2:49:20]: plane in the in the middle of the property and in a big part of the properties floodplain unbuildable areas and so therefore needed to uh request R three in order to um that in order to that that is not true. [2:49:20, 2:49:21]: Okay. [2:49:21, 2:49:41]: We we don't have floodplain throughout um this project. There's some floodplain on uh the um exterior, near the exterior lines. We asked for R three again because under your R two regulations, you're required to have a 30,000 square foot lot, which is intended primarily in our opinion. [2:49:41, 2:50:01]: For lots that are on septic. And if you look again at Clark Meadows, I think there was a misunderstanding. The top portion here is are the R2 lots. There are a total of 15 of those at 15,000 square feet, which is actually larger than what is required under the R2. [2:50:01, 2:50:21]: R3 requirement now. And then under R3, they were showing all of these lots, which are at roughly 7,500 square feet. And that's throughout the mass majority. There are over a hundred um lots, a hundred and I think it's 130, 120-something lots. [2:50:21, 2:50:41]: Within the Clark Meadows community, all of which are at this R3 standard that they placed for that. And so from our perspective, we are consistent with the R three that is in the Clark Meadows community. We are consistent with [2:50:41, 2:51:01]: the uh the lot size um for uh clark meadows um with regards to um uh moss point yes they do have um larger lots that is an older community um we are trying to make sure that we have lots that are uh marketable um we are [2:51:01, 2:51:21]: not in unincorporated Henry County. I certainly appreciate that their lots are at RA, but they are not within the city limits. We don't know what those lots ultimately will be rezoned to and the city of Stockbridge will not uh have the final say with regards to what those lots [2:51:21, 2:51:41]: May ultimately be. But there's no question that you all have the ultimate decision on what these lots will be. And we believe that we are consistent with what's already in the city. And at um, you know, it's almost as if one is saying that there's something wrong with Clark Meadows. Clark Meadows is a [2:51:41, 2:52:01]: beautiful community. And what um our conversations with those um at least on the board of uh directors for them was that you know they wanted something that was better um than what they have um by lot size um the the um building width um is [2:52:00, 2:52:20]: actually and there was a variance obtained back when the Clark Meadows community was developed that allowed for only a 10 foot distance between the houses. We have 20 feet of distance between our homes and their minimum lot size is 7,500 square feet. And [2:52:20, 2:52:40]: And our minimum lot size is 12,000 square feet. So we are bigger than what you already have approved in this city on the other side of the street. In terms of that being the most recent community developed, our density is lower than them, and our density is lower than Moss Point. [2:52:40, 2:53:00]: So we are squarely in line with what is in the city and what's in the city's purview, in the city's limits, and within the city's voting power. The RA that surrounds will not remain RA. It will not remain RA forever. It's too much land and there's too much development coming into this area. [2:53:00, 2:53:20]: And the Board of Commissioners for Henry County will make a decision about how they want to rezone that and whether or not they want to allow for added density, because I don't see any developer coming in at RA, which is an agricultural zoning, to come in and develop under the current zoning regulations. [2:53:22, 2:53:27]: Okay. Thank you for that. Councilman uh Gantt it was still on you. You have any further questions? [2:53:29, 2:53:30]: No, um [2:53:32, 2:53:39]: I was like, no, your honor. No, I don't have any other questions. I don't um at this time, no. I I just I don't. [2:53:40, 2:53:45]: Okay. All right. Anybody else? Any questions, concerns? [2:53:46, 2:53:50]: And if not, okay, I'm sorry, Miss Barber, go ahead, please. [2:53:52, 2:53:54]: Thank you, Mayor. Um [2:53:55, 2:54:01]: Is Mr. Berry and Mr. Washington still on with us? Yeah, I'm going to get [2:54:01, 2:54:02]: They're online. [2:54:04, 2:54:05]: Go ahead. [2:54:05, 2:54:06]: Yeah. Yes, we have. [2:54:07, 2:54:08]: Hi. Okay. Um [2:54:09, 2:54:20]: I have a question in regards to the legal aspect of this. Um, I'm new at this and this would be the first development that I am. [2:54:20, 2:54:21]: Reviewing. [2:54:21, 2:54:22]: Um [2:54:22, 2:54:26]: and ultimately will decide whether to approve or oppose this. [2:54:27, 2:54:35]: Can you give me um what the legal language is pertaining to um the approval or [2:54:35, 2:54:38]: Rejection of a development. [2:54:38, 2:54:39]: I'd heard, you know. [2:54:40, 2:54:41]: People say that we can't [2:54:41, 2:54:43]: deny this development. [2:54:43, 2:54:44]: Due to [2:54:44, 2:54:48]: Overcrowding of classrooms. I've heard we can't deny this. [2:54:48, 2:54:49]: Um [2:54:49, 2:54:50]: Based on traffic. [2:54:51, 2:54:52]: Infrastructure. [2:54:53, 2:54:55]: Can you give me a little bit of legal? [2:54:55, 2:54:57]: um counsel as to how I should [2:54:58, 2:54:59]: Do this. [2:55:01, 2:55:02]: Well [2:55:04, 2:55:07]: That's not a easy question to be able to answer. [2:55:07, 2:55:09]: Because part of what we've got to do [2:55:10, 2:55:10]: Is [2:55:11, 2:55:30]: The zoning codes that you all have in place do allow for feedback and for you all to make a decision. But whether or not those zoning codes that you would use if you would deny could come in conflict with state law, which would mean they would be able to appeal and possibly get the zoning ordinance possibly overturned. [2:55:31, 2:55:32]: And so that's why it's not a [2:55:33, 2:55:35]: A clear answer like that unless it's something [2:55:35, 2:55:38]: It has to be very specific for what the denial purpose would be. [2:55:39, 2:55:41]: And I'll ask Mr. Berry with his thoughts on. [2:55:44, 2:55:48]: Yeah, I mean I I I think that's generally correct. I I think it's a broader [2:55:48, 2:55:50]: You know, sort of it's a it's the police power. [2:55:51, 2:55:52]: So you have to figure out if this [2:55:53, 2:55:54]: Yep, the [2:55:55, 2:56:00]: still would comply with the public health, safety, welfare of the the residents of the city of Stockbridge. [2:56:01, 2:56:10]: I mean i if you're looking for sort of any specific criteria, I don't know, you know, that there's a factor or a list of one through ten or any criteria, anything like that to be considered. [2:56:11, 2:56:15]: Um, and right, this is a a rezoning as well. [2:56:19, 2:56:21]: All right, thank you. Ms. Barber, anything else? [2:56:21, 2:56:29]: Yes, okay. So I understand that there will be some who won't agree to this development, no matter what adjustments are made. [2:56:29, 2:56:34]: The fact is this land will not remain undeveloped forever. [2:56:34, 2:56:38]: Um the owner has the right to to develop the property. [2:56:38, 2:56:42]: In accordance with our standards and state laws. [2:56:42, 2:56:54]: Um, I appreciate the developer for hearing the concerns of the community members and making a good faith effort to bring about a quality development that will be consistent. [2:56:54, 2:56:56]: with all the other developments in the area. [2:56:57, 2:56:57]: Um [2:56:59, 2:57:02]: I don't believe a couple of questions were answered. [2:57:03, 2:57:07]: When uh pertaining to the um distance. [2:57:07, 2:57:08]: Um [2:57:09, 2:57:16]: The width gutter to gutter in the streets. Um, is that gentleman still on the line with us? [2:57:17, 2:57:17]: Yes, ma'am. [2:57:18, 2:57:20]: Can you tell me what the distance is from [2:57:20, 2:57:26]: Gutter to gutter. It's twenty six feet from the back of the curb to the back of the curb. [2:57:26, 2:57:28]: So the curve is two feet wide on each side. [2:57:30, 2:57:34]: And so the but the total distance across is is uh is twenty six feet. [2:57:34, 2:57:38]: And that's a Henry County standard, like I said, that's been used for the last [2:57:39, 2:57:43]: twenty five years, at least as long as I've been practicing in Henry County, it's that's been the standard. [2:57:44, 2:57:45]: Okay. [2:57:45, 2:57:46]: Um [2:57:46, 2:57:51]: My next question was the sidewalks on both sides of the street. [2:57:51, 2:57:52]: Um is [2:57:53, 2:57:56]: Is now the time for us to talk about those um [2:57:57, 2:57:59]: Additional conditions. [2:57:59, 2:58:00]: Um [2:58:00, 2:58:08]: Or is it another time that we'll talk about it? Because I mentioned I'd like to see sidewalks on both sides of the street. [2:58:09, 2:58:14]: We we can agree to the sidewalks on both sides of the street. [2:58:14, 2:58:16]: Um as a condition. [2:58:16, 2:58:22]: Awesome. Thank you. Um what about um you all already addressed the clubhouse? [2:58:24, 2:58:30]: Okay. Um so I've heard several times about the density of this development. [2:58:30, 2:58:34]: Is there a opportunity for you all to [2:58:34, 2:58:39]: decrease the density and increase the lot sizes. I know that um [2:58:41, 2:58:50]: What you provided us with the breakdown of the homes in the square footage. But I know when buyers come there, they're gonna. [2:58:50, 2:58:51]: Request. [2:58:51, 2:58:54]: whatever lot sizes they want. Um [2:58:55, 2:58:55]: You have [2:58:56, 2:58:58]: uh allocated forty one. [2:58:58, 2:59:02]: um lots with 12,000 square feet. [2:59:02, 2:59:07]: Suppose you have more people who want larger lots that come in. [2:59:07, 2:59:07]: Um [2:59:08, 2:59:13]: You're not just tied into just that forty-one lots of twelve. [2:59:14, 2:59:16]: Twelve thousand fi square feet are you? [2:59:16, 2:59:17]: Yes. [2:59:18, 2:59:38]: Yes, because we would have already put in the infrastructure and had our land development permit and final plat. Um so when um homeowners uh come in to view, um most of them are not looking at necessarily the lot size because our lot size is actually in comparison, if you look at other municipalities. [2:59:38, 2:59:58]: And other counties. I mean, the lot size that we are proposing is actually larger than most of the lot sizes. I can tell you, this is the only developer I've had that are doing 12,000 square foot lots or higher. Most of the lots that I'm looking at and developers looking at are in. [2:59:58, 3:00:18]: Anywhere between 5,500 square feet to 7,500 square feet, much closer to the lot size that you've got in Clark Meadows. So I will tell you now that we personally cannot drop lower in terms of the number of units that we have. We did drop the units initially from the 47 to the [3:00:18, 3:00:38]: the hundred and thirty nine um lots. And you know, based on the infrastructure costs, the home costs by doing the four-sided brick homes along with all the infrastructure costs that we have, we would be, you know, the fewer homes you have, definitely the higher the price point. [3:00:37, 3:00:57]: Point, number one, um, the less homes there are to share in all of the amenities that we're putting in. Because remember, there are going to be HOA dues that these homeowners have to share in order to maintain and upkeep all of the two uh amenity areas that we. [3:00:57, 3:01:17]: have which is actually larger than the other subdivisions around. For example, Clark Meadows only has one uh primary um amenity area we will have two um some of the places on uh some of the other subdivisions around here don't have as much amenity area in green space we also have walking trails within this [3:01:17, 3:01:37]: community as well. So when you lessen the number of units, you are increasing the burden on those residents who will be living in that community in terms of splitting up that cost once the developer is gone for those HOA responsibilities. So we are trying to keep the price point [3:01:37, 3:01:51]: Points between that 330 to 350 as an entry point. We believe that's a good entry point for new families coming in. It doesn't completely block out. [3:01:51, 3:02:11]: um uh firefighters and and and teachers and the like if they are quite honestly if they are married or have a partner that um can help um get to that um house size because at a hundred about three hundred and fifty thousand dollars you're you've got to be making uh a nice little chunk of change in order uh to be able to afford those [3:02:11, 3:02:31]: those homes in this market. So we we believe that the 139 units is is our bottom line number for the project. If if I'm incorrect, Neil, you can correct me on that point, but I believe that we've kind of hit our bottom for the number of units and the and the size that we are proposing. [3:02:31, 3:02:51]: Did kind of adjust that when we moved around and lost some of the lots, and then also added in this additional amenity area because we started out with basically one amenity area with uh the walking trail. And then we added in the swimming pool and the additional amenities because we understood that that was what [3:02:51, 3:02:58]: what the community wanted, that they wanted those additional amenities, but that comes at a price for the people who ultimately will live there. [3:02:59, 3:03:19]: Yeah, that's correct, Michelle. I mean, and we look you know, with everything that we've added to this development, the reduction of lots, the increase in amenities, um, we've committed to doing a a great entrance. We've hired a landscape architect, um, I think he's out of Alpharetta to design our amenities and [3:03:19, 3:03:39]: And the infrastructure costs that we're facing. I mean, this is not gonna be an inexpensive development by any means. These lots are gonna be in the upper 60s, 70s, maybe even 75,000 by the time we're done with them all. I was looking up some records the other day on Brandon Road. [3:03:39, 3:03:51]: These will be almost double the cost of what the the lots at Clark Meadows sold for. Um almost double the cost of the subdivision up the street at the time. So [3:03:52, 3:04:05]: You know, we're not cutting corners. Um, we are in this to make a profit, and that's why we're we're trying to invest in the city of Stockbridge. Um, and there's a there's a place where X equals Y, where we can only have [3:04:06, 3:04:11]: Um so many lots and then uh at the same time provide great amenities. [3:04:12, 3:04:28]: We've also provided uh 20 acres or so of green space, which we're setting aside for a community feel. And um then we've been asked, you know, to add add additional sidewalks, which is fine, then a clubhouse. And so the things that we're talking about here are [3:04:29, 3:04:49]: features that you find in large multi hundred lot subdivisions. And I know that you know you may not take my word for that, but that's that's what that's where when we develop, that's what we see. Um not in subdivisions that are 139 lots. And we are, you know, committed to do that because we've [3:04:49, 3:05:08]: We've heard the city of Stockbridge say they want quality, they want uh to attract uh certain features in these developments. And so we're quite frankly taking a big risk in what we've rolled out here, and um we need a certain number of lots to be able to afford um the features that we're talking about. [3:05:11, 3:05:12]: That's true. [3:05:13, 3:05:16]: Okay, Miss Uh Gantt, I believe you had a question still. [3:05:17, 3:05:21]: Yeah, I and I didn't address one thing. There was a citizen that mentioned [3:05:22, 3:05:37]: Um, that they wanted more amenities. They were against the project, but they wanted more restaurants, more activities here in our community. And I just wanted to let everyone know, just because it what it what it sounds like to me. [3:05:38, 3:05:42]: Uh is it's totally opposite. I want the citizens to know. [3:05:42, 3:06:01]: that rural areas are rule because without the stores and without the restaurants, because they have a small population, the higher our population, the more amenities, restaurants, activities, businesses we have. So it's actually totally opposite. [3:06:02, 3:06:05]: You'll hear that a lot. Um, the more we have [3:06:06, 3:06:09]: But let's say I hear all the time people want a trader Joe's, for instance. [3:06:09, 3:06:13]: Trader Joe's go only comes to highly populated areas. [3:06:14, 3:06:20]: They're not gonna go to a rural area and they're not gonna go to a a neighbor an area that only with neighborhoods of [3:06:20, 3:06:21]: A hundred [3:06:21, 3:06:31]: here and a hundred there, a hundred there, unless it's some highly condensed density place. Um I wanted to let people know that and I meant to say that earlier on. [3:06:31, 3:06:36]: Um but I really don't have a question in this regard. Um [3:06:36, 3:06:40]: I just kind of really hope that we mimic [3:06:40, 3:06:47]: The R three, R two call meadows. That's my biggest concern. R two, R three, very limited R three. [3:06:48, 3:06:48]: Um [3:06:49, 3:07:01]: And that's my only hope. I also want to mention there has been concerns. We had issues with a subdivision Pine View. I want to make sure from our attorneys as well as from Ms. Logan. [3:07:02, 3:07:05]: that we have everything completed. [3:07:05, 3:07:22]: That we, you know, there are street lights, there are lights for the stockwalks. There are whatever we need, all the conditions that we need to amend and change need to be changed. That's my biggest concern. And I don't know what the time frame of that is, if we can approve tonight or whether or not we can wait. [3:07:23, 3:07:25]: And come back in two weeks and approve it. [3:07:25, 3:07:28]: Um, but I I want those written out and spelled out. [3:07:29, 3:07:37]: We want to make sure that the project is complete and that developers don't walk away. And I'm sorry, developers, we don't we we've been burned before. That's all. [3:07:38, 3:07:39]: That's one again, if I may. [3:07:39, 3:07:41]: Where do you want us to get these conditions from? [3:07:44, 3:07:59]: Well, I think but that's what we talked about all along through during the conversation, these additional conditions that were being brought up and I believe the uh developer has agreed to them. I Okay, I have about the sidewalks and all that. I didn't know that it was another development that she wanted us to take in this. [3:08:00, 3:08:03]: No, no, there isn't another there isn't another uh [3:08:04, 3:08:10]: development. What we're saying is that the can the new conditions that we're adding in be met. [3:08:11, 3:08:13]: Including the amount. [3:08:13, 3:08:14]: A people that can [3:08:15, 3:08:18]: uh of capacity for the clubhouse in general. [3:08:18, 3:08:20]: But you know, there to me. [3:08:21, 3:08:22]: There needs to be something. [3:08:23, 3:08:28]: Right now we don't have any of those things in writing. We did get the proposal tonight. [3:08:28, 3:08:31]: We need to have a list of those conditions. [3:08:31, 3:08:33]: And then vote on those conditions. [3:08:34, 3:08:35]: That's a mob. [3:08:36, 3:08:40]: Okay, Miss Battle, we're fine with working with you to get those conditions. [3:08:41, 3:08:44]: And then those will be the ones that we attach to [3:08:44, 3:08:48]: The ordinance or the resolution that we file. [3:08:48, 3:08:53]: That that's fine. I'm I'm I'm fine with that. Um w when is your next meeting? [3:08:53, 3:08:54]: Let's [3:08:54, 3:09:01]: Hold on. Hold on. So so st stand by. Let her she asked a question. Okay. Miss Hollett. Ms. Hollett, when's our next meeting? [3:09:02, 3:09:08]: What it it's going to be our work session. The thirtieth work session. Thirtieth of the end of the month. [3:09:09, 3:09:11]: Mars thirtieth Miss Bell. [3:09:12, 3:09:13]: Thank you. [3:09:15, 3:09:23]: Mr. Candy, are you are you uh complete with all your questions and concerns right now? That's it. I just want to make sure we have everything taken care of, making sure that [3:09:24, 3:09:25]: All conditions are met. [3:09:25, 3:09:27]: All right, good deal. Miraport Tim. [3:09:28, 3:09:32]: Go ahead. See, this is where we're kinda out of practice. [3:09:32, 3:09:34]: on zoning cases because [3:09:34, 3:09:38]: If if you watch Henry County and you watch the commissioners do it. [3:09:38, 3:09:41]: The staff can simply take the notes right now. [3:09:42, 3:09:44]: As we list out what the conditions are. [3:09:44, 3:09:47]: And they can actually write them down, put them into the record. [3:09:47, 3:09:50]: And the attorney can create the document with them. [3:09:51, 3:09:51]: On there. [3:09:52, 3:09:54]: That's how it works. They do that all the time. [3:09:54, 3:09:57]: You don't have to come back. You can actually write them out right now. [3:09:58, 3:10:00]: All you got all we need to do is [3:10:00, 3:10:02]: You put those conditions. [3:10:02, 3:10:03]: In the motion. [3:10:03, 3:10:05]: And then when we put the conditions into motion. [3:10:06, 3:10:08]: Then the attorney jots them down. [3:10:08, 3:10:11]: And creates the document. Is that correct, sir? Mr Wash? [3:10:12, 3:10:18]: We can yes once you what we have to know what you approved to be to put it into the motion. Right, right. I I plan on putting that into the motion. [3:10:19, 3:10:25]: Okay. Yes, we have pre-drafted we have pre-drafted an an ordinance on this, which we did send to Madam Clerk. [3:10:25, 3:10:27]: And so we could amend that right now, yes. [3:10:27, 3:10:31]: Okay, in that case what I would like to do to make a motion for approval. [3:10:31, 3:10:34]: I would like to uh add certain conditions. [3:10:35, 3:10:36]: Uh the first condition [3:10:36, 3:10:40]: uh would be that we have sidewalks on both sides of the street. [3:10:43, 3:10:45]: А the second condition. [3:10:45, 3:10:48]: Would be the builder has already agreed that we have [3:10:48, 3:10:51]: A minimum house size of twenty five hundred square feet. [3:10:57, 3:10:59]: Uh the third condition would be [3:11:00, 3:11:06]: Uh the clubhouse that we would wish to see. And I'm gonna give on this a little bit. I heard from the citizens. [3:11:06, 3:11:08]: So instead of making it fifty. [3:11:08, 3:11:10]: That you would make it uh [3:11:10, 3:11:12]: A capacity of forty instead of fifty. [3:11:14, 3:11:32]: Councilman Alexander, Mayor Proteam Alexander, these are your conditions. This is not the mayor's council. You get the vote on it. You get the vote. Yeah, but don't you think we should do that and discuss it and have everything this this this is a vote. Well can I finish my motion, please? [3:11:33, 3:11:38]: Let hold on a second. Let him go finish his motion. Go ahead. Let me give my point of order for his mayor. [3:11:38, 3:11:40]: Okay, what's your point or Miss Blount? [3:11:40, 3:11:44]: My point of order is we as elected body. [3:11:45, 3:11:48]: We don't imprompt to sit up here and set standards. [3:11:49, 3:11:54]: Without this I've said it before, the without the elected body coming together as a whole. [3:11:55, 3:12:12]: We need to come together as a whole, not Mr. Alexander sitting here impromptu deciding what he wants for this project, and then sit here and we vote on this project when we have staff to give us in writing what we've already talked about, what adjustment needs to be made. [3:12:13, 3:12:19]: He's sitting here like he's making the sole decision what's going on. Not not excuse me, sir. [3:12:21, 3:12:28]: Sitting here saying what he's gonna adjust, what he's gonna do, these are what we do. See, we cannot negotiate. [3:12:28, 3:12:30]: Or operate this way. [3:12:32, 3:12:40]: That he's gonna prompt to make a motion to decide what he's gonna give the people and we can either vote for it or not. It doesn't work that way. [3:12:40, 3:12:55]: Well what it amounts to if he makes the motion, then you either it pr motion gets approved or not, there'll be further discussion on the issue. And then that those were those uh those issues and thoughts will come out. You've already made some comments and on that aspect as well. Um but anyway, so it um [3:12:56, 3:13:00]: And and when when he's finished with the motion, it's gotta get a second and we'll have further discussion and we'll go down that road. [3:13:01, 3:13:13]: The reason that I say that is that everybody has to vote on this. If you don't like it, don't vote for it. And then we could uh offer up another one. But in the end, this developer has bent over backwards for us. [3:13:14, 3:13:18]: Аз the folks who said it in the very beginning. [3:13:18, 3:13:22]: I've never seen I would like for us to return to the motion now. [3:13:22, 3:13:24]: All right. Comment section. [3:13:24, 3:13:33]: I'm doing exactly that. I'm making a motion. And that motion includes the the the explanation. You can do I you can't stop me from speaking on on that. [3:13:34, 3:13:39]: Uh finish out the motion, please. All the things you want to add for your corrections, uh please finish that. [3:13:39, 3:13:40]: Okay. [3:13:40, 3:13:41]: Oh [3:13:41, 3:13:44]: I would uh dictate that a rendering [3:13:44, 3:13:45]: That they pull. [3:13:46, 3:13:49]: Would be uh the rendering as display tonight. [3:13:50, 3:13:52]: uh in the community that we actually [3:13:52, 3:13:55]: Observe in the rendering that was showed to us tonight. [3:13:55, 3:13:58]: We want a pool very similar to that. [3:13:58, 3:13:59]: uh rendering. [3:14:00, 3:14:02]: That we actually saw. [3:14:02, 3:14:03]: Uh on tonight. [3:14:04, 3:14:11]: And in the end, we want to make sure uh Linda it the street lights are included in in in the zoning already, correct, Linda? [3:14:13, 3:14:19]: I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. Uh street lights are already in the in the development agreement, street lights required. [3:14:20, 3:14:32]: I d we haven't d talked about streetlights. Uh if I may, that is that is in your ordinance. Street lights and underground utilities are already in the City of Stockbridge ordinance for your development. [3:14:33, 3:14:34]: Okay. Well that's what [3:14:34, 3:14:37]: Okay, so street lights are already required. [3:14:37, 3:14:39]: Uh so we do not have to uh [3:14:39, 3:14:41]: Make those particular ones happen. [3:14:42, 3:14:47]: Now if the in the end, if you don't want to mandate what how many people in the clubhouse [3:14:47, 3:14:50]: You don't have to mandate the number of people in the clubhouse. [3:14:50, 3:14:54]: But then again, we're trying to show these developers that we're business friendly. [3:14:54, 3:14:59]: The point where we just go ahead with the motion. Somebody has already made [3:15:00, 3:15:13]: the decision already in order to do what we need to do. So uh Mr. Washington, do you have uh written down the exact language for the changes that need to be made? [3:15:13, 3:15:14]: To get the community [3:15:15, 3:15:18]: uh that has been described tonight by the builder. [3:15:18, 3:15:20]: And by the community for the most part. [3:15:20, 3:15:23]: I have sidewalks on both sides of the street. [3:15:23, 3:15:25]: Minimum house size twenty five hundred square feet. [3:15:26, 3:15:28]: Clubhouse capacity of forty people. [3:15:28, 3:15:31]: pool rendering as displayed tonight are very similar. [3:15:31, 3:15:35]: Street lights and underground is already a part, the ordin is already a part of [3:15:36, 3:15:38]: The ordinances that we have. [3:15:38, 3:15:45]: And then I guess the other thing would be we we would if we're going to pass this, we would it would be advisable to get [3:15:45, 3:15:54]: a determination about the moratorium that we currently have in place about the rental about the rental. We want to make that's that's that's the next one. We want to make sure that there's a clause [3:15:55, 3:15:57]: Uh that indicates owner occupied. [3:15:58, 3:16:02]: versus rental. We wanna owner want owner occupied. [3:16:02, 3:16:03]: In this agreement. [3:16:09, 3:16:14]: Can can we state uh that it would be a fifteen percent rental cap? [3:16:16, 3:16:21]: Uh that's that yes, that's reasonable. In the end you could have some rentals in the community. [3:16:21, 3:16:24]: But in the end, uh what we want to do is we want it to be [3:16:24, 3:16:26]: a owner occupied community. So [3:16:26, 3:16:29]: There is some flexibility to have some real in there, so [3:16:29, 3:16:35]: Uh that that's that's not un that's not unreasonable to have I mean, have a cap. It'd be a fifteen percent cap. [3:16:36, 3:16:36]: Right. [3:16:38, 3:16:40]: Okay, so tha that's not unreasonable. [3:16:41, 3:16:41]: Okay. [3:16:42, 3:16:48]: So I just have the I just have those six is the ones you're proposing. With the six from being owner occupied with the fifteen percent rental panel. [3:16:50, 3:16:50]: Right. [3:16:51, 3:16:51]: Mm-hmm. [3:16:52, 3:17:03]: Now I have a question. Well, actually, uh the question, what whatever happened to the the 10 foot sidewalks on the front part of Brandon Road in front of the community? Was that already in the agreement or is that something that needs to be added? [3:17:04, 3:17:04]: Yeah. [3:17:04, 3:17:06]: It's already in the agreement. [3:17:07, 3:17:10]: Okay. All right. Is there a second to that motion? [3:17:13, 3:17:15]: I'm sorry, Ms. Holliday, go ahead, please. [3:17:15, 3:17:20]: I just wanna make sure there are there are conditions I believe that we're already [3:17:20, 3:17:36]: laid out correct Linda and I just want to make sure though these that you just stated um Mayor Pro Tem are in addition to the though the ones that I just stated are in addition to yes the ones that Linda recommended that staff recommended. That's correct. Thank you. Thank you. [3:17:39, 3:17:41]: It's yes uh yes Miss Grant. [3:17:42, 3:17:46]: Yeah, yeah. I I'm um I have some concerns. [3:17:47, 3:17:51]: I speak for Councilwoman Gantt. I can't speak for Mayor Pro Tem Alexander. [3:17:52, 3:17:58]: I can't speak for Councilman Blount. I can't speak for Councilman Barber. I can't speak for Councilman Thomas. I speak for me. [3:17:59, 3:18:00]: So [3:18:00, 3:18:01]: I have a concern. [3:18:02, 3:18:04]: In regards to us [3:18:04, 3:18:06]: Taking this all down. [3:18:07, 3:18:10]: Making sure it's right. We just ask questions like [3:18:10, 3:18:15]: Is streetlights already a part of the conditions? [3:18:16, 3:18:17]: Ви ніч, мек шо. [3:18:18, 3:18:19]: I mean we spent [3:18:20, 3:18:21]: Two hours on this topic. [3:18:22, 3:18:24]: Or more, we need to make sure. [3:18:25, 3:18:26]: For our citizens. [3:18:29, 3:18:49]: For the developers, for everyone, for our attorneys, that we have every single thing we need in place, the conditions. I could roll out these now, but I think it would be best served for our attorneys to be able to think, write it out, listen to our our counsel, speak to the developer and his and their attorneys. [3:18:49, 3:18:58]: attorney is battle and then comeback in two weeks. I just what's we waited this long, two weeks is not going to kill us. [3:18:59, 3:19:05]: We're telling him what we're saying is we're open for business. We want this to work. We heard from our community. [3:19:06, 3:19:11]: We're trying to find a medium and somewhere in between, but we want to get it right. [3:19:12, 3:19:18]: Because we want to make sure that the amenities that said they're going to be built, built, we want to make sure that everything is done. [3:19:19, 3:19:29]: based off the conditions that we are requesting. Yes, we rolled off some just then, but we want to make sure even with the 15% rental cap. [3:19:30, 3:19:37]: You know, we need to take a look at all of that and make sure that we're asking for the the right proper things. [3:19:38, 3:19:39]: For the conditions to be met. [3:19:39, 3:19:41]: I don't see why two weeks would [3:19:42, 3:19:53]: would hinder that. I really don't. Um, I think we would be doing the city of Stockbridge a disservice, a disjustice if we rushed off. Everything doesn't have to be I don't want to move slow. [3:19:54, 3:19:58]: But I we we're getting all this at once. It's a lot of information. [3:19:59, 3:20:05]: We asked a lot of questions. We made a lot of amendments. We did not have anybody from planning and zoning board here. [3:20:05, 3:20:11]: Um chair and I'm not all I'm saying is let's put those conditions in writing. [3:20:12, 3:20:18]: And come back and vote to approve everything. I'm not against it. I'm not against this project. [3:20:20, 3:20:25]: I mean saying I'm I'm trying I want us to move forward, but I want us to do it in a smart way. [3:20:25, 3:20:28]: I don't want us to vote on something and say, oh, oh, I forgot. [3:20:31, 3:20:41]: And Mayor Ford, if I may, I know that one of the things that Mr. Knight had talked about was that we had to consider a zoning appeal, possibly at the retreat that we're going to have. [3:20:42, 3:20:43]: And so [3:20:43, 3:20:51]: I don't know whether he thinks that or whether you all think that this would be fitting since we're going to be considering a zoning thing to do this at that retreat if you will like. [3:20:53, 3:20:58]: That's a thought too Mr. Knight. That's a thought. Mr. Knighton, uh did you have any comments on that since you brought brought it up? [3:21:00, 3:21:11]: Yeah, I think I mean, obviously, I mean the council has to consider whether you're not you want to approve this tonight or to table it to another meeting. I'd probably feel more comfortable if you table it to another regularly scheduled meeting. [3:21:12, 3:21:15]: i.e. a work session if you were inclined to do that. [3:21:16, 3:21:16]: Um [3:21:17, 3:21:20]: You know, but again, that's that's your call to make. [3:21:20, 3:21:21]: Um, I think [3:21:22, 3:21:24]: A retreat setting would not be [3:21:24, 3:21:30]: the best setting for this type of zoning item and it needs to go to a regularly scheduled meeting of council. [3:21:30, 3:21:30]: Right. [3:21:31, 3:21:34]: Yeah, standby. Miss Battle. Yes, I know you have Miss Battle. Go ahead, please. [3:21:35, 3:21:55]: Um council members, I've been doing zonings for 20 years. And what I can tell you from my experience is that um council member Alexander um has accurately reflected how it is done in many um municipalities and counties, which is we've [3:21:54, 3:22:14]: Bring the zoning conditions to the floor that the planning department has brought. Any additional conditions can be added from the floor, added into the minutes and added as additional conditions. And we are comfortable with what Mr. Washington read out today. [3:22:14, 3:22:15]: Okay. [3:22:15, 3:22:35]: That being said, um we are not opposed to the idea of waiting. Of course, we would prefer not to. I'll just say that. I know my client is probably saying, What you talking about, Michelle? But we would prefer we would prefer not to have to wait, but I also understand [3:22:35, 3:22:55]: understand the desire to make sure that we have accurately reflected the conditions um that are being requested um by um the board and so you know we will do and we will acquiesce in what you all choose to do um this evening um we have been working hard [3:22:55, 3:23:15]: hard and and vigorously to try and get support and to address the issues that have been raised. I can say that the one place where we cannot compromise is on going to an R2 standard at 30,000 square foot lots. That simply will kill the deal for us. The R2 [3:23:15, 3:23:35]: R2 and R three that was referenced by uh the councilwoman. Um, I think you need to look at the plat for Clark Meadows so that you are accurately reflecting because Clark Meadows has R2 and R3, yes, but the R2 are 50. [3:23:35, 3:23:55]: 15,000 square foot lots, and it's only 15 of those. And the balance of the 142 lots are under the R3 standard at um seven, theirs was 7,500 square foot lots. And I know you're not asking us to go to a 7,500 square foot lot. So um [3:23:55, 3:24:15]: We believe that we are very consistent with what's already there. And if you all need two weeks, then that's fine. But I would agree with Mr. Knighton. I don't believe that you can do that at a um retreat work session. It has to be a regular called meeting with [3:24:15, 3:24:35]: but um in order for it to be uh sustainable because it is a um you don't have to have the public hearing but you are making a decision um and i would think that that would have to be at a regularly scheduled meeting but i will defer to mr knighton and mr washington and mr berry um in regards to that yeah regularly scheduled meeting you can send me your email i'll send you a draft on this [3:24:35, 3:24:35]: Yeah. [3:24:36, 3:24:40]: A regularly scheduled meeting like our council work session on the thirtieth, would it be appropriate? [3:24:41, 3:24:50]: Also, we need to um we would need to advertise if we're gonna have a public hearing. There's a 15-day notice. Um Madam Clerk reminded me, of course. [3:24:50, 3:24:53]: Fifteen day notice to be provided for [3:24:53, 3:25:01]: um a public hearing item as well. And so you'd need to calculate that into um into any consideration. [3:25:03, 3:25:04]: Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [3:25:04, 3:25:09]: Thank you, Mayor. Um I concur with the uh in two weeks. [3:25:10, 3:25:15]: One of the things I'm I'm gonna always recognize is that we've hired staff. We have a city manager. [3:25:15, 3:25:19]: On here, we have our attorneys on here. We have a clerk that are taking minutes. [3:25:20, 3:25:24]: And everybody on this everybody in this meeting have heard the conditions and I've heard the [3:25:25, 3:25:27]: Uh uh what we want and what we need to do. [3:25:28, 3:25:31]: And I think in two weeks that'll be in paper in writing in front of us. [3:25:32, 3:25:37]: I would not let one single I would not make a decision from one single council member. [3:25:37, 3:25:45]: Dictating what we do. It's a collective effort that everyone on this on this call was elected by the citizens of Stockbridge. [3:25:45, 3:25:47]: And I think that everyone on this call [3:25:48, 3:25:49]: Has the right. [3:25:50, 3:25:51]: Has the right. [3:25:51, 3:25:57]: To allow those that we hire to do what they do. And so I'm willing to wait the two weeks. I I [3:25:58, 3:26:00]: Did a I'm s I'm hearing some [3:26:00, 3:26:09]: good stuff about this development. Uh and I just want it to be right and not be rushing to make a decision on this tonight. [3:26:12, 3:26:14]: Okay. Mayor Tim, go ahead, please. [3:26:14, 3:26:18]: Uh l let me let me collect something f correct something for the record, okay? [3:26:18, 3:26:21]: I'm not making anything up. [3:26:21, 3:26:25]: We've been listening to the community for the last [3:26:26, 3:26:29]: F four or five months long before [3:26:29, 3:26:32]: It got to us. This is not quick. [3:26:32, 3:26:37]: This has been out there a long time. They came back to the zoning uh advisory board. [3:26:38, 3:26:39]: Two or three times. [3:26:39, 3:26:42]: Cancelled meeting after cancelled meeting. [3:26:42, 3:26:45]: Who wants to do that? Nobody wants to do that. [3:26:45, 3:26:49]: We're telling people we're not want to be business friendly. This is not rushed. [3:26:50, 3:26:52]: They've been trying to get disapproved for months. [3:26:53, 3:26:54]: I mean months. [3:26:54, 3:27:00]: So why is it it's not rushed? The co the the community asked for larger homes. [3:27:00, 3:27:16]: 2500 square feet. That's what they they asked for larger homes. That is what folks were putting out there. They wanted larger homes. We're increasing the lot size by we we asked they asked for larger lots. We got that. [3:27:16, 3:27:26]: Right. They asked for larger homes. The minimum was 2,000. Now it's 2500. They got there. They wanted sidewalks. We got the sidewalks. Right. [3:27:27, 3:27:29]: We understand that there was a concern. [3:27:30, 3:27:32]: about parking in the street. [3:27:32, 3:27:43]: We need a clubhouse. Mayor, I listened to you just say what size clubhouse Monarch Village had. My community has a clubhouse that has about 40 people in it. [3:27:43, 3:27:53]: So this could di with the situation that we have, as they said, you can park three deep and then you can park two in the garage. So you got eight people parking. [3:27:53, 3:28:06]: in the street, the street being uh what it is, we ought to make sure that these people when they have a party or they have some type of function, that they don't try that don't they're not forced to have the party at their house. [3:28:07, 3:28:12]: parking in the street where thirty cars or twenty cars gotta park in the street. [3:28:12, 3:28:30]: This is practical sense because we don't have any enforcement on parking at this point. I didn't make these things up. I've been listening to the community. I've been listening to the developer. If you you if you've been paying attention for the past five months. [3:28:30, 3:28:50]: Where we started getting emails, where we started getting requests over and over and over again, all of these things that they said they wanted. I think the people that came on the call, that called us and emailed us and got involved, because what they did, what did they do? They helped us get a better developer. [3:28:50, 3:28:51]: [12531.8, 12534.9]: This is much better than the first plan that was put out there. [3:28:55, 3:29:01]: and the insinuation that i'm making stuff up that this the that that the community didn't want [3:29:01, 3:29:09]: All you need to do is go back through your city email. You will see every last one of these items were asked for by the community. [3:29:10, 3:29:12]: And as stated earlier. [3:29:12, 3:29:31]: Some we just need to watch the Henry County Commissioners or any other city operate. This is how they operate. They want it fresh, top of mind on the items that they want. On the items that they want, they list them. The staff takes the notes, write the information out, the attorney records it. [3:29:32, 3:29:33]: And the uh [3:29:33, 3:29:36]: developer is locked into what we have here. [3:29:36, 3:29:40]: So the insinuation that I'm making this up, no, I met with the public. [3:29:41, 3:29:45]: I've talked with the public on the phone. I've exchanged emails with the public. [3:29:45, 3:29:52]: I've talked to the builder, talked to him on the phone, had Zoom meeting with them, trying to put together something. [3:29:53, 3:29:57]: And all of this information was shared. I shared it with the council. [3:29:57, 3:30:08]: I didn't share it with Mr. Blount because I didn't think he would ever vote for it anyway, because he never votes for anything that we vote for. Okay. Uh Councilman Thomas, go ahead, please. [3:30:09, 3:30:10]: Thank you, Mayor. [3:30:11, 3:30:13]: A and you all know [3:30:13, 3:30:16]: From when we go into the gutter into the weeds like this. [3:30:17, 3:30:19]: Th this is where this council loses me. [3:30:20, 3:30:20]: Um [3:30:21, 3:30:23]: And and I I I really just don't like [3:30:24, 3:30:26]: what I'm hearing. I I I understand it. [3:30:27, 3:30:28]: But listen, listen. [3:30:30, 3:30:36]: I think there are a number of council members that will approve this project. [3:30:37, 3:30:41]: I think we have to learn to get away from our personal [3:30:41, 3:30:44]: feelings about [3:30:45, 3:30:51]: Who's saying what? Who's doing this? Who's doing that? And let's just state uh uh to the bin. [3:30:51, 3:30:56]: That's why I'm silent because I I do have opinions. I could say a lot. [3:30:57, 3:31:01]: But I'm grown enough to to just to hold my tongue. [3:31:01, 3:31:02]: Listen. [3:31:03, 3:31:04]: I think [3:31:05, 3:31:08]: That the things have been put on the table. [3:31:08, 3:31:12]: The amenity, the the the modification, the changes. [3:31:13, 3:31:15]: I I'm in agreement with those things. [3:31:16, 3:31:34]: So I don't have a problem in two weeks because even in two weeks, I do believe that the consensus of this council will approve or not approve that that's not an issue with me. I think I think the minds are made up, but it is important. [3:31:36, 3:31:39]: That this document includes [3:31:40, 3:31:42]: All of the modifications. [3:31:42, 3:31:46]: all of the modification because once we vote on a document [3:31:48, 3:31:55]: What's inside of that document? That's what you voted on. If you by some reason leave something out, then [3:31:56, 3:32:07]: Legally and technically, you can't come back and and put that in unless the developer agrees to do that. So I don't have a problem in waiting. [3:32:08, 3:32:12]: You know, I I'm just saying it you know, this kind of discussion has just really disturbed me. [3:32:12, 3:32:32]: I think we've had a great meeting. I appreciate the citizens that came in that spoke in favor and against. I think that as well. I think the council members, all of our comments have been on point tonight. But now here at the very end, you know, we started getting in the bushes. Now I will say this: it is clear. [3:32:32, 3:32:33]: Correct. [3:32:34, 3:32:37]: When anyone is making a motion [3:32:38, 3:32:39]: It is correct. [3:32:40, 3:32:51]: To include those kind of things that were being made into the motion, and it is nothing wrong with another council person saying, okay, include this in your motion. [3:32:51, 3:32:57]: So I'm just saying both sides here are right, but what I'm hearing is personal. [3:32:58, 3:33:09]: you know, issues with with each other and I get it's just no place for that. Um again, I don't have a problem in waiting two weeks because I think that the consensus of this council [3:33:09, 3:33:11]: is going to just make the decision. [3:33:12, 3:33:13]: It is important. [3:33:13, 3:33:15]: That for these citizens. [3:33:16, 3:33:19]: That all of the modifications and the changes [3:33:19, 3:33:22]: are included in this document. [3:33:22, 3:33:24]: And then and this is the document. [3:33:24, 3:33:26]: That we should vote on. [3:33:26, 3:33:27]: So [3:33:27, 3:33:32]: You know, I I don't have a problem in waiting. I just have a problem with this kind of [3:33:33, 3:33:36]: back and forth that we do when it's just really not necessary. So [3:33:37, 3:33:40]: I I just had to get my two point my two points in, but [3:33:43, 3:33:53]: Okay, I give it back, maybe. I just all right, thank you. And yeah, uh Mayor Pro Tem, you had a motion on the floor and it it never was seconded, so I don't know if you want to amend it a little bit or not. Uh but um [3:33:54, 3:33:55]: Uh we need to go forward. [3:33:56, 3:33:57]: Mayor I like to make a motion. [3:33:58, 3:34:12]: Well the motion is still on the floor. It hasn't been seconded though. It hasn't been seconded. So uh based on what um Ms. uh mayor uh what councilman Thomas said, uh we'll revisit it uh in two weeks. [3:34:13, 3:34:21]: Okay, so do okay. Let's let's um let's make sure we got this motion set and straight and see if there's a second. Ms. Holiday. [3:34:22, 3:34:28]: You had your hand. I was just wanna make sure that um Mayor Pro Tem Alexander, you are rescinding your motion and asking for a motion. [3:34:29, 3:34:29]: to table. [3:34:30, 3:34:34]: I'm asking for this to be continued in two weeks. [3:34:36, 3:34:40]: Repeat that sir. I'm asking for it to be continued into continued. Okay. [3:34:42, 3:34:53]: This discussion to be continued in two weeks, easy. Yeah, the the and just item clarification, if I may, Mayor. Go right ahead, sir. Matter of clarification, the way the calendar falls. [3:34:54, 3:35:00]: It'll be three weeks from now, just over three weeks from now on March thirtieth for the council work session. [3:35:01, 3:35:11]: It's a council work session then. All right now, uh, but it's not you said it's not a public hearing now, right? It's not so we don't have to advertise for a public hearing. [3:35:11, 3:35:12]: A yes up. [3:35:13, 3:35:15]: I just want to make sure us we got this right. [3:35:16, 3:35:19]: Mr. Washington or Ms. Berry. [3:35:21, 3:35:27]: My understanding is that and correct meat or wrong, my understanding is it would be negative it we it would need to be noticed as a public [3:35:27, 3:35:29]: Okay. You still have to be most of the public hearing. [3:35:30, 3:35:31]: Okay. [3:35:32, 3:35:33]: Okay, doesn't miss Bell. [3:35:35, 3:35:55]: Are there gonna be public comments at this? That's that's up to you all if you want to do it for two weeks or three weeks for decision only. Um you can do that to my knowledge, but I'll defer back to Randy um and and you, but uh under the zoning ordinance, you don't have to have another public hearing because you've just had the public hearing. [3:35:55, 3:36:00]: you're deferring your vote. So you can do that. Right, we're deferring that we can do that. Right. Right. [3:36:01, 3:36:20]: All right. So def my councilman Thomas, you had your hand up. I don't know if it just saw the what you asked. Okay. Um, so I don't think there's a need for an additional hearing. Okay. All right. I think it's I think we're just coming back just to get the language, the modifications. [3:36:20, 3:36:24]: uh to be included. Now that's just my interpretation. Okay. [3:36:25, 3:36:29]: All right. I think okay. So so the motion is to [3:36:30, 3:36:36]: come back at a work session uh to finalize everything and to vote on this issue. [3:36:36, 3:36:43]: Is that is that is that correct? Something along those lines? How does Oh but but the thing is if if if you're voting as a council, that's a public meeting. [3:36:45, 3:36:50]: We have to vote as a council, sir. Right. No, no, that's what I'm saying. So that's why I was talking about the public part of it. [3:36:50, 3:36:53]: It's a public meeting but not a public hearing. [3:36:53, 3:36:58]: Right. It will it will be included on the March 30th agenda. Okay. [3:36:59, 3:36:59]: All right. [3:36:59, 3:37:07]: Excuse me, does this mean that uh we have to uh signs uh on the property have to put a new date on the signs? [3:37:08, 3:37:08]: No. [3:37:09, 3:37:17]: Linda, we'll we'll discuss that with our attorneys. I think we'll be fine in that regard because the public hearing, if the council desired, the public hearing was held tonight. [3:37:18, 3:37:20]: Right. So then the decision [3:37:20, 3:37:23]: is being deferred until March thirtieth. [3:37:24, 3:37:24]: Mm-hmm. [3:37:25, 3:37:25]: That's [3:37:26, 3:37:28]: I think that's correct. [3:37:28, 3:37:28]: Okay. [3:37:31, 3:37:34]: All right. So just get a proper motion in a second and vote on this. [3:37:35, 3:37:39]: So I need a proper motion to make sure we all understand we're on the same sheet of music. [3:37:39, 3:37:46]: Yeah, we wanna uh the motion is we want to revisit this item as a decision only uh at our work session. [3:37:47, 3:37:50]: Which is the thirtieth of of of uh I second that. [3:37:51, 3:37:57]: Um I think we'll stand by. Miss Barber, did you have your hand up for a second to that? Or did you just have your hand up for a comment? [3:37:58, 3:37:58]: Which one was it? [3:38:00, 3:38:07]: Seconding the motion. Okay, I'm sorry, Ms. Gannon. I saw her hand first. Okay. That's my okay, good. There pro ten-minute motion seconded by Councilman Barber. [3:38:08, 3:38:09]: Hold on. [3:38:09, 3:38:10]: Yes, sir. [3:38:10, 3:38:16]: In discussion phase, we we probably need to include with the completed document of all the adjustments. [3:38:16, 3:38:19]: to uh to bring with your document. [3:38:20, 3:38:23]: Uh, with all the adjustments to what we uh just discussed. [3:38:24, 3:38:28]: Not just and vote, but with the documents to whatever we just [3:38:28, 3:38:37]: I think that the the intent would be to bring all of those conditions that were discussed tonight and provide that to the council well ahead of the meeting. [3:38:38, 3:38:43]: So that you will have those parameters as you enter into that uh meeting on the thirtieth. [3:38:46, 3:38:49]: Thank you. All right. All in favor of motion, please indicate. [3:38:51, 3:38:54]: Okay, so NAMS decision. Fantastic. All right. [3:38:55, 3:39:15]: And citizens, if there are any citizens that are out there in reference to the public hearing, uh you're more than welcome to stay since you're online. You don't have to. And if you heard the uh heard the message that we will uh make a final decision on this on the thirtieth of uh March at a uh council work session, uh which you can uh easily [3:39:15, 3:39:35]: Listen in on. It's a public meeting. On that note, we'll move on to the new business, and that is council consideration to approve the Main Street Program Mural Project presented by Ms. Braggs, the Main Street Program Manager. And it has here Ms. Potts, the Main Street Advisory Board Chair, and Ms. [3:39:35, 3:39:40]: Mr. Christian, Christian, I guess mural artist or mural artist. [3:39:41, 3:39:42]: Here, it's on you. [3:39:43, 3:39:54]: Hello. Um good afternoon, or I guess good evening now. Um I'm glad to be here with um our Main Street Advisory Board Chair, Miss Anika Potts. [3:39:54, 3:39:57]: And um I'm hoping that we were [3:39:58, 3:40:08]: able to hang on to our artist John. Yes, he's here, John Christian as well, the mural artist that we will be working with on this particular project. Ms. Potts, if you will. [3:40:10, 3:40:11]: Alrighty. [3:40:12, 3:40:24]: Uh good evening, Mayor Ford, uh City Council members, and fellow Stockbridge citizens and guests. Um I'm Anika Potts. I'm the chairperson for the Stockbridge Main Street Advisory Board. [3:40:24, 3:40:32]: Uh, the Main Street program's mission is to design and support an identifiable downtown historic district. [3:40:33, 3:40:35]: That promotes economic vitality. [3:40:35, 3:40:37]: That cultivates artistic expression. [3:40:38, 3:40:42]: encourages cultural enrichment and nurtures community spirit. [3:40:43, 3:41:02]: During the Main Street Program Advisory Board's 2019 strategic planning session, members decided that initiating a downtown public arts agenda would be a major step towards realizing our vision for a vibrant downtown. [3:41:03, 3:41:14]: With the new Stockbridge Ampu Theater and the proposed Cultural Arts Center, we believe Main Street is definitely in alignment with the city's goals here. [3:41:15, 3:41:22]: The proposed mirror project that we are here to discuss tonight will be one. [3:41:23, 3:41:30]: Of our first steps towards making Stockbridge outstanding with the downtown district. [3:41:31, 3:41:35]: And it'll happen because this project will have great character. [3:41:36, 3:41:38]: Um it will exude vibrancy. [3:41:38, 3:41:40]: And it will embrace the arts. [3:41:41, 3:41:58]: So it's my pleasure to have Ms. Kira Harris Braggs, our Main Street program manager, come forward to talk to you about the mural and introduce the very talented mural artists that we have in place to work with us. Ms. Braggs, thank you. [3:42:00, 3:42:11]: Good afternoon. Good evening again. If I could please share my screen, I do have a little bit of a presentation that I would like to be able to provide to you all. [3:42:20, 3:42:22]: Um, do I have sharing privileges yet? [3:42:36, 3:42:38]: Okay, are you all able to see my screen? [3:42:40, 3:42:41]: Yes. [3:42:41, 3:42:42]: Okay. [3:42:43, 3:43:03]: All right. As um Ms. Potts stated, the Main Street Advisory Board did meet and host its strategic planning meeting. And at that annual strategic planning meeting, amongst many of our plans and priorities that we set, we did think about the initiation of a [3:43:03, 3:43:04]: Public arts program. [3:43:05, 3:43:09]: And um the first step with regard to that public arts program. [3:43:09, 3:43:11]: was to [3:43:12, 3:43:14]: Involve a mural program. [3:43:15, 3:43:27]: Um this was taken straight out of our RSVP downtown strategic plan. And we took this into consideration because it was a recommendation. [3:43:27, 3:43:31]: of that particular strategic planning process. [3:43:33, 3:43:53]: I'd like to take the time to introduce mural artist John Christian, who is the artist that we will be working with to realize our first steps toward this vision. You should have received his bio and several samples of his work already. But just to give you a few bullet points, [3:43:53, 3:44:13]: John is an avid supporter of the arts. He believes that we all can create, but sometimes you need a little help to push it in the right direction. And his goal is to create great art that will last for generations. As a muralist, John is creating and installing murals and [3:44:12, 3:44:32]: Small towns and cities across the southeast, mostly in Georgia, and then also Alabama. He's affiliated with his studio, of course, John W. Christian Studio Studios in Mural and Fine Arts in Hapeville, Georgia, as well as the Georgia Mural Trail and the American. [3:44:32, 3:44:35]: American mural trail dot com [3:44:35, 3:44:47]: He is also on the Georgia Council for the Arts Mural Artist listing. And so I would like to just introduce Mr. John Christian and give you all an opportunity. [3:44:47, 3:45:07]: um to see him and then also he will be available at the end of our presentation um for any questions um that you might have. So let me stop sharing my screen and just let John um say hello to you all and um just give you a few words about the Georgia mural project. [3:45:09, 3:45:10]: How's everybody doing? [3:45:11, 3:45:16]: Um basically uh the Georgia Mural trailer kind of started off as a um [3:45:16, 3:45:36]: uh concept for, you know, like when you think in terms of murals, you think in terms of big cities, uh Atlanta and so forth. But if you think about all the dollars spent on the arts, for the most part, 90% of it's spent on the big cities. And the smaller communities don't get do not get as near there the recognition of the [3:45:36, 3:45:41]: So I I came up with the concept of creating uh [3:45:41, 3:45:44]: Fifty murals and fifty cities in five years. [3:45:44, 3:46:04]: So right now I'm at uh 43 murals and uh but uh taken me seven years to do that many. So it's taken a little bit longer. But I've also realized too is um it's a great way to market your community. And what you do is like explore georgia.org, which is the main is kind of like one of the uh main advertising tools. [3:46:04, 3:46:06]: For the stake economic development. [3:46:06, 3:46:14]: They advertise all our murals. There's also the uh the the Georgia um mural tr excuse me, the Georgia Public Art Finder. [3:46:15, 3:46:27]: You click on it, you'll see tons of art projects uh uh uh listed where they are and you guys can let's say if there's one in Stockbridge, it'll basically you click on uh the city of Stockbridge and it'll show what artwork you have. [3:46:27, 3:46:29]: So it's another way to um [3:46:29, 3:46:35]: get the word out about your community and also sh things that you're proud of. [3:46:35, 3:46:54]: Typically with uh the murals that I do is it pretty much a showcase murals of a little bit of the history, economic development for the future, and some community heritage and what what makes your community great. And so that's the kind of things that we try and do and focus on with the projects that we do. [3:46:55, 3:47:01]: Uh I've been uh like I said, I've been doing all kinds of different art projects over the years. So it's not all murals. [3:47:01, 3:47:04]: But uh if anyone's got any questions, I'd be happy to answer. [3:47:06, 3:47:09]: Yeah, um Cataman Blount, go ahead, please. [3:47:12, 3:47:21]: Yeah, I'm uh I'm excited about artwork. You uh you're working over Hateville, uh friend of mine and my well my daughters, uh Chloe Alexander, I'm pretty sure you're familiar with her. [3:47:21, 3:47:23]: Is she a city council member? [3:47:23, 3:47:31]: Yes, and she does a lot of a art and stuff over there and in Hateville and uh and I think it's uh I think it's pretty exciting. [3:47:31, 3:47:33]: You know, to see what uh we can do. [3:47:33, 3:47:38]: Uh to enhance areas around Stockbridge Woodard. So I'm glad to have you on board. [3:47:38, 3:47:39]: Thank you. [3:47:40, 3:47:53]: Well, if you all will allow me to share my screen again, I have a little bit more of a presentation and um we'll div um show you what we're trying to develop and then um we'll also open it again for even more questions. [3:47:54, 3:47:56]: So let me see if I can share this. [3:47:57, 3:48:00]: Okay, are you all able to see my screen? [3:48:00, 3:48:00]: Yes. [3:48:01, 3:48:02]: Okay. [3:48:02, 3:48:08]: Um with regard to this particular project, let's see if I can get it on the slide presentation. [3:48:11, 3:48:31]: Okay. With regard to this project, the proposed mur mural site is the corner of Horrell Street and North Henry Boulevard. This would be located by Stockbridge Elementary School and directly across from City Hall. This particular wall you are able to see. [3:48:31, 3:48:40]: From three different vantage points, and it would be right at the busiest intersection in our downtown area. [3:48:40, 3:49:00]: We are planning to increase the height of this particular site by painting, having the murals painted on panels. So Mr. Christian would be able to affix panels to this particular wall, and then we would continue that mural. [3:49:00, 3:49:07]: um around the corner and through the backside of that wall that isn't quite pictured on this particular picture. [3:49:08, 3:49:15]: But um as time goes on, the mural can actually grow with the community. So we're really excited about that aspect of it. [3:49:18, 3:49:20]: Um some other um [3:49:21, 3:49:41]: Ways that we are looking at increasing murals in the downtown area and expanding this particular public art project is looking at other sites that are possible for downtown as recommended in the RSVP plan. We would love to have a mural in the Breezeway area that's going to create the [3:49:41, 3:50:01]: the connectivity between Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail and Burke Street. We would love to have the space that is available on the side of what is now known as the Ted Strickland Community Center. We have some wall space there that would we would like to enhance that breeze. [3:50:01, 3:50:03]: Sway project that'll be coming online. [3:50:03, 3:50:19]: Also, um there are some prospects on buildings that are in our downtown where we have some sidewalls that are available. We've talked with Fletchers and Sons Automotive, and they are amenable to this project and their site being a possible site. [3:50:19, 3:50:36]: In addition, we are looking at the Oglesby building, which is right there on John Clark Drive. And then also as was depicted in the RSVP, we're even thinking about being innovative and thinking outside of the box and placing a mural. [3:50:36, 3:50:42]: In the intersection of um Love Street and Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail. [3:50:42, 3:50:56]: Um, however, that would probably be our last mural that we put in place because um we know that there is going to be some work done with regard to that railroad crossing and the connectivity between the amphitheater. [3:50:56, 3:50:58]: And the um [3:50:58, 3:51:05]: Cultural Arts Center. So we'll probably leave that space to be the last one that we tackle in our um [3:51:05, 3:51:07]: Project timeline. [3:51:08, 3:51:20]: Um, just a few notes on the mural timeline in case you're wondering how long this project will take. Um, we're looking at um March 30th for the design process to be completed. [3:51:21, 3:51:29]: And then um April 2nd, the meet around that time, the um mural will start to be painted on the panels. [3:51:29, 3:51:31]: In Mr. Christian's studio. [3:51:31, 3:51:40]: And then by June 30th, we would like to have the mural completed and have an unveiling of that particular site. [3:51:42, 3:52:02]: Um, the mural cost is a total of$11,500. Um, we have received a grant from the Georgia Council on the Arts for a 50-50 match. So they will be paying half of that cost for us through the grant, and we would be responsible for. [3:52:02, 3:52:04]: For the remainder of the cost. [3:52:06, 3:52:19]: The Georgia Council of the Arts, again, I mentioned before in Mr. Christian's bio, he is on their, he is listed as one of their mural artists or on their Georgia Council for the Arts artist listing. [3:52:21, 3:52:33]: Um, as far as the um process is concerned with regard to design, the Main Street program has um through its advisory board created a design, mural design committee. [3:52:33, 3:52:51]: And we are looking at different concepts from across the country to get inspiration for what we would like to do here in Stockbridge. We want something that is going to be engaging, something that is going to um evoke attention. [3:52:51, 3:52:56]: and interest and also be very colorful and [3:52:56, 3:53:00]: Um, something that our community can be very proud of. [3:53:00, 3:53:07]: So we're trying to think outside of the box with regard to what we're going to place in that busy intersection. [3:53:07, 3:53:21]: And that's all I have with regard to the presentation. I would like to open it now for any questions you may have. And ultimately, we are coming to you to get the permission to place the mural at the Herel Street site. [3:53:22, 3:53:24]: Are there any questions at this time? [3:53:25, 3:53:44]: Well let me let me ask say this. Uh uh the uh initial the grant g uh gives us one half of the eleven thousand five hundred, which is roughly five thousand seven hundred and fifty dollars. And of course the other half is by the city. Uh so um and so that uh and maybe I missed it. Where's when is that money initially due? When is it actually due? [3:53:45, 3:53:55]: Um we um have a um schedule basically we would want to um start with um the payment schedule by March the fifteenth. [3:53:55, 3:53:58]: Um, we have already paid a deposit um for [3:53:58, 3:54:05]: Um commissioning the artist design, and that was$1,500 of the total cost. [3:54:05, 3:54:11]: And then at March by March fifteenth or around that time we would like to make a second payment. [3:54:11, 3:54:18]: And then um nothing would the final payment would be due once the mural has been completed and that [3:54:18, 3:54:23]: is um an estimated date of June the thirtieth, the end of June. [3:54:23, 3:54:37]: Okay, so on fifteenth March, yeah it's for the city, it's five thousand seven hundred and twenty dollars, fifty dollars less than fifteen hundred. Is that what we're talking about? Um no we would be looking at I think three thousand three hundred dollars at that point. [3:54:39, 3:54:40]: All right. [3:54:40, 3:54:55]: All right. Good deal. Got it now. Thank you. And then we are reimbursed for the um fit. We pay the total price of the mural and then the Georgia Council on the Arts would reimburse us. Okay. There we go. Thank you. Appreciate it. Council, any other questions? [3:54:57, 3:54:57]: At all. [3:54:58, 3:55:00]: Um Councilman Thomas, go ahead, please, sir. [3:55:01, 3:55:05]: If there are no questions, I like to move. [3:55:05, 3:55:10]: That we accept the Main Street Muir Project. [3:55:11, 3:55:12]: Second. [3:55:12, 3:55:18]: Okay, there we go. Motion be made in a second. Any further discussion? I got a quick question. Well right here, sir. [3:55:18, 3:55:24]: Here, I don't want to jump the gun. Uh is that s uh and I may have to talk since you're gonna have to unveil it. [3:55:25, 3:55:29]: Is there gonna be a certain theme that we're looking for or is that something you kinda [3:55:31, 3:55:51]: Well, we're going with the um we're going to use the um city's tagline where community connects, and that will be the theme of the piece. So we are looking at different designs that will um embody those words. So the committee has um met twice, and we'll have another meeting scheduled um for this. [3:55:51, 3:56:01]: week and we'll be coming together around that concept and we will be um bringing a design concept to you all for final approval. All right thank you. [3:56:02, 3:56:02]: Mm-hmm. [3:56:03, 3:56:08]: Okay, motion's been made, been seconded. There's no further discussion. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:56:09, 3:56:17]: And it is unanimous. Okay, fantastic. Thank you very much. Thank you, Kira. Okay, thank you very much. And good night, everyone. Bye. [3:56:18, 3:56:19]: Council Cassidy. [3:56:21, 3:56:30]: Council consideration to approve Georgia Power Lightning Lighting Agreement for the Amphitheater Project, Funding Source General Fund and Fund Balance. Mr. Knight, please. [3:56:31, 3:56:37]: Yes, Mayor and Council. This item is related to uh the Georgia Power potential installation. [3:56:38, 3:56:56]: of uh lighting poles, lamps, decorative poles, and aluminum poles in the amphitheater project. There'll be 34 uh decorative poles and then another 19 uh aluminum poles and LED area fixtures throughout the amphitheater campus. [3:56:57, 3:56:59]: Georgia Power will install. [3:56:59, 3:57:02]: Um all of these uh poles. [3:57:04, 3:57:06]: It's a month to month agreement that's renewed. [3:57:06, 3:57:13]: Um or it's a month to month agreement that's automatically renewed month to month. They take care of all of the materials, the labor, energy. [3:57:14, 3:57:22]: and maintenance cost to operate the system uh throughout the amphitheater campus. And so it's kind of a standard agreement. They did give a few options. [3:57:23, 3:57:26]: But I would recommend that um we um [3:57:27, 3:57:29]: Pay the lease amount or the operating amount. [3:57:29, 3:57:33]: Of five thousand one hundred and twenty nine dollars and eighty seven cents. [3:57:34, 3:57:36]: А пермонт форди. [3:57:37, 3:57:41]: of the uh lighting throughout the uh amphitheater campus. [3:57:41, 3:57:46]: Um and typically as we have a street lighted program. [3:57:46, 3:57:48]: On all of our city streets. [3:57:48, 3:57:55]: Um and this would be somewhat similar to that. Uh street lights upon the the roadway that'll run uh through the amphitheater. [3:57:56, 3:57:59]: Also in the parking areas and throughout the amphitheater campus. [3:58:00, 3:58:01]: Um uh [3:58:02, 3:58:13]: Georgia Power is been a good partner for us. They're looking to go ahead and do this. Uh, we need your approval to move this project forward. It's part of obviously the overall amphitheater scheme. [3:58:14, 3:58:18]: And um this would be included in our overall inventory. [3:58:19, 3:58:26]: of streetlights throughout the um uh the city. I think our overall street light budget is about four hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars throughout the entire [3:58:27, 3:58:33]: Um, city, this would be a five thousand per month or roughly a little over sixty thousand dollars per year. [3:58:34, 3:58:39]: to provide for the uh decorative poles and LED lighting throughout the amphitheater campus. [3:58:39, 3:58:41]: request your approval. [3:58:42, 3:58:42]: Thank you, sir. [3:58:43, 3:58:45]: Any questions for Mr. Knighton? [3:58:46, 3:58:46]: Mm-hmm. [3:58:47, 3:58:49]: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. [3:58:49, 3:58:53]: Mm Mr. Knighton, uh, would would these include the lights that we talked about? [3:58:54, 3:58:55]: Uh [3:58:55, 3:58:58]: The same type of lights that are gonna be installed throughout the neighborhood. [3:58:59, 3:59:02]: That we talked about the beautification going up uh Lee Street and [3:59:03, 3:59:08]: These would be similar. These likely would be very similar to that. The the law if you [3:59:08, 3:59:17]: The large decorative poles, the black poles with the block black posts and the large decorative um lights. You there's an example of it, uh should be in your package of what that light. [3:59:18, 3:59:21]: would look like. Um and uh [3:59:21, 3:59:22]: I think it's [3:59:23, 3:59:29]: It's consistent with what you would find in a more refined area in terms of uh the lighting poles. [3:59:29, 3:59:34]: and uh the lighting post tops. So that would be uh generally similar to that. [3:59:35, 3:59:42]: You spoke about the four hundred twenty five thousand dollars. Now, this sixty thousand dollars a year, that's in addition to that. [3:59:43, 3:59:44]: That would be correct, yes. [3:59:45, 3:59:48]: Is that through the for the duration or just to completion? [3:59:49, 3:59:53]: That could be good. That would that would be ongoing. That would be ongoing every year. [3:59:53, 3:59:57]: Oh sixty thousand dollars would be added to our budget for lighting. [3:59:57, 4:00:01]: Uh that's properly yes. We've got a certain amount budgeted [4:00:02, 4:00:09]: Um that four hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars that is generally close to about what we spend. I think we may have been a little bit less last year. [4:00:09, 4:00:13]: But that would be included on an annual basis, yes. [4:00:13, 4:00:24]: So we we're looking at an increase of uh it's gonna be like four hundred and seventy five thousand roughly versus the four twenty five that's been previously pre approved with the system. That's about right, yes. Mm-hmm. [4:00:25, 4:00:26]: Okay. [4:00:28, 4:00:30]: Councillor, any other questions for Mr. Knighton? [4:00:31, 4:00:33]: Yes, ma Miss Barber, go ahead, please. [4:00:34, 4:00:40]: Mr. Knighton. Um I remember around February or March time frame. [4:00:41, 4:00:47]: There was a SCAF recommendation that came before us um for a million dollars. [4:00:48, 4:00:49]: For Georgia Power Lighting. [4:00:50, 4:00:55]: What was that for? Was it just the installation of power poles? [4:00:55, 4:01:00]: Um, for the amphitheater because this million dollars was for the amphitheater. [4:01:00, 4:01:03]: I'm just trying to figure out what is the difference between [4:01:03, 4:01:06]: what we paid for then and what you're asking for now. [4:01:10, 4:01:20]: I seem to recall, I'm trying to remember exactly what that was if Deshis is on here might be able to help me. I'm trying to remember exactly what that would would have been for. [4:01:26, 4:01:27]: That was [4:01:28, 4:01:32]: Mr. A R I I I can't recall right offhand what that would have been for. [4:01:37, 4:01:38]: Mr. Aaron? [4:01:40, 4:01:40]: It's your [4:01:41, 4:01:51]: Well there you go. Yes. I'm I'm thinking that it might have had to do with those transformers they installed. Okay. I think those two transformers that were installed. [4:01:52, 4:01:54]: But it wasn't a million dollars, was it wasn't [4:01:56, 4:01:57]: It wasn't um [4:01:57, 4:02:02]: I don't recall it being that much. That I mean not that much is a million dollars. [4:02:02, 4:02:04]: I thought it was closer to [4:02:05, 4:02:12]: Little over a hundred thousand dollars. I'm trying to do this from memory on the track I'll have to go back and look at my notes, but I can submit that information tomorrow. [4:02:16, 4:02:23]: Councilwoman, I think you're right. I do recall that we did um provide uh an item, but I don't think it was nearly um [4:02:23, 4:02:25]: That large of amount. [4:02:27, 4:02:34]: My memory serves me frankly. I abstained from that vote. Um I was relatively new on the council on a million. Thank you. [4:02:34, 4:02:40]: Right. I think you're right. It was during that time frame, like twenty nineteen, going into twenty twenty, if I recall. [4:02:40, 4:02:41]: Uh it was in twenty twenty. [4:02:41, 4:02:42]: Twenty twenty. Okay. [4:02:43, 4:02:43]: Mm-hmm. [4:02:43, 4:02:54]: Um that worked in the rock time frame. But I wanted to know what I'm doing, maybe so you can ask for now. [4:02:56, 4:02:58]: Okay, any other questions for Mr. Knighton? [4:03:00, 4:03:08]: I would imagine Miss Knight, you'll you'll uh between you and Mr. Aaron, you'll figure this thing out and g let us know what the what this issue is and s and solve this particular mystery, I guess you may say. [4:03:09, 4:03:17]: Absolutely. All right. Thank you. All right. No other questions. Uh, Council, I need a motion to accept uh this uh proposal from Georgia Power. [4:03:20, 4:03:21]: I need a motion. [4:03:23, 4:03:24]: So move. [4:03:24, 4:03:25]: Is there a second? [4:03:27, 4:03:28]: And his second [4:03:29, 4:03:30]: I said [4:03:31, 4:03:37]: Okay, Ms. Gantt I believe that's you second that okay. Uh no further discussion. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [4:03:39, 4:03:41]: Okay. All polls? [4:03:43, 4:03:43]: Abstain. [4:03:44, 4:03:47]: I abstain. Okay, so four zero one. [4:03:47, 4:03:55]: All right, thank you. Uh what's next? Council consideration to approve uh bond interest interest rates, fees, and distribution. [4:03:56, 4:03:59]: Presented by Mr. Knighton, Ed Wall, Doug Selby. [4:03:59, 4:04:00]: And Mr. Washington. [4:04:02, 4:04:02]: Gentlemen. [4:04:03, 4:04:03]: Please have at it. [4:04:04, 4:04:11]: Yes, Mayor and Council. Um this was an item related to um the bond financing that was approved uh several weeks ago. [4:04:12, 4:04:16]: It was one of the items, a uh series C bomb. [4:04:16, 4:04:23]: Um, that slightly changed in terms of the interest rate, just the series C bond. So we needed to, as a matter of [4:04:23, 4:04:30]: information transparency. Wanted to make sure we brought that item back to you for your review and approval. [4:04:30, 4:04:32]: Mr. Wall is here to discuss that item. [4:04:33, 4:04:33]: as well. [4:04:35, 4:04:40]: Thank you, um, Mr. Knighton. Um, can everybody hear me, Mayor? Can you hear me? Hear you, sir. Go right in, please. [4:04:41, 4:04:46]: So uh y'all know we approved three series of bonds, the first series, the A series. [4:04:46, 4:04:52]: Um was uh seven million for the amphitheater and two point eight million for cultural arts. [4:04:52, 4:04:55]: It was nine million nine hundred and ten thousand. [4:04:55, 4:04:58]: I had hoped the interest rate would be one point three two percent. [4:04:59, 4:05:00]: And um [4:05:01, 4:05:06]: We were able to get truest bank, Suntrust Bank to agree to it. It wanted one point three six [4:05:06, 4:05:08]: Rates have uh trended up. [4:05:08, 4:05:11]: Since uh February the first, pretty dramatically. [4:05:12, 4:05:21]: But they agreed to the one point three two percent for the series A that I told y'all about three weeks ago. So that's good to go. Series B was one million and ten thousand. [4:05:22, 4:05:24]: It was a a one million and thirty thousand. [4:05:25, 4:05:28]: It was for uh a portion of the trail network. [4:05:28, 4:05:31]: Again, A and B were a four year bond. [4:05:31, 4:05:34]: They were gonna be paid for with the swast. [4:05:35, 4:05:36]: And um [4:05:36, 4:05:43]: The interest rate for it was one point oh four percent tax exempt. That's what we I told you three weeks ago. [4:05:43, 4:05:47]: We were able to get Sun Trust to agree to that one point oh four percent. [4:05:48, 4:05:49]: Series C [4:05:49, 4:05:50]: Was um [4:05:51, 4:05:51]: Um [4:05:52, 4:05:59]: Eleven million in change for the remainder of the cultural arts center and three million for public safety equipment. [4:05:59, 4:06:01]: It was a fifteen year bond issue. [4:06:02, 4:06:03]: It was secured by the general fund. [4:06:04, 4:06:07]: I quoted you two point two five percent. [4:06:08, 4:06:09]: Three weeks ago. [4:06:10, 4:06:13]: Suntrust came back with two point three five percent. [4:06:14, 4:06:19]: But I asked'em for an option that I could repay it without any prepayment penalty. [4:06:19, 4:06:22]: After five years, um [4:06:22, 4:06:30]: That when we voted a new splost, if you decide to choose to add projects to the newsplot to pay these bonds off early. [4:06:30, 4:06:32]: We could do it with no prepayment penalty. [4:06:32, 4:06:34]: And the rate for that option. [4:06:34, 4:06:36]: is two point five three percent. [4:06:36, 4:06:39]: And that's the option that I want to recommend to all. [4:06:39, 4:06:44]: was a two point five three percent. So that's different than what I told you three weeks ago. [4:06:46, 4:06:46]: Okay. [4:06:47, 4:06:52]: Any questions from Mr. Ed Wall? Um Mr. Blount, your hand was up first. Go ahead. [4:06:53, 4:06:57]: Mr. Walls, uh on the uh fourteen million that's gonna be bonded. [4:06:59, 4:07:00]: Um [4:07:01, 4:07:07]: You saying that's the one that you're looking at at two point five three, but you're trying to do a five year option on. Is that the one you're saying? [4:07:07, 4:07:08]: Yes, sir. [4:07:08, 4:07:09]: Yes, sir. [4:07:09, 4:07:13]: Uh within those five years, if that if that stands [4:07:14, 4:07:26]: What would be the payment, annual payment on that from uh general funds and then what would be the annual uh estimated annual payment after that? I I don't know if you can do the after, but I know you can do the five years before. [4:07:26, 4:07:27]: Yes, sir. So um [4:07:28, 4:07:32]: It's a fifteen year fixed rate at two point five three. [4:07:33, 4:07:38]: You just have the option after five years to prepay it early with no prepayment penalty? [4:07:38, 4:07:42]: And if I could, um, if the moderator will let me share my screen. [4:07:43, 4:07:50]: You did, so I'm good to go. If you'll hang on just a minute, Councilman Blount, I'll show you what the payments are on that bond issue. [4:08:09, 4:08:10]: [14904.3, 14905.1]: Can you see that? [4:08:25, 4:08:26]: Screen kills my butt. [4:08:27, 4:08:28]: Yes, sir. [4:08:29, 4:08:32]: So the payments that you have here for the um [4:08:32, 4:08:33]: The option that we have. [4:08:34, 4:08:35]: Is um [4:08:35, 4:08:37]: Fourteen million eight hundred sixty five thousand. [4:08:38, 4:08:40]: You see the payments coming from the um [4:08:41, 4:08:41]: Um [4:08:42, 4:08:43]: General Fund. [4:08:44, 4:08:45]: Um [4:08:45, 4:08:49]: The f we've capitalized interest in this bond issue, so the first payment that you'll make. [4:08:50, 4:08:53]: is august first of twenty twenty two. [4:08:54, 4:09:00]: And um it'll be about half of this three hundred and seventy six thousand dollars you see. [4:09:00, 4:09:03]: So your twenty two budget will in will [4:09:03, 4:09:04]: require you to put [4:09:05, 4:09:09]: About a hundred and eighty thousand dollars is a payment for that year. [4:09:10, 4:09:14]: Then the remaining in twenty-three would be a million five from the general fund. [4:09:15, 4:09:18]: And then you see it drops to nine hundred and ninety-one thousand and twenty-nine. [4:09:19, 4:09:28]: The reason that it's bigger in those years is we're we're doing we're doing an an a nine year term for the public safety equipment for three million. [4:09:28, 4:09:31]: But a fifteen year term on cultural arts. [4:09:31, 4:09:36]: 'cause the useful life of the public safety equipment won't won't all be fifteen years. [4:09:37, 4:09:49]: So the the interest payment for the remainder of this year would be the is that the 139,987? Yes, sir, but it's capitalizing the bond issue in this fourteen million eight hundred and sixty-five thousand dollars. [4:09:50, 4:09:52]: I've included enough money in here. [4:09:53, 4:09:55]: Pay all of this and half of that. [4:09:57, 4:10:02]: So the first payment is that it actually gotta come out of the general fund is half of this three hundred and seventy six thousand dollar number. [4:10:05, 4:10:08]: So we're one, two, three, four, five, six. [4:10:09, 4:10:12]: Okay, so we're looking at a about six years. [4:10:13, 4:10:19]: Of a million, uh million and a little over a million and a half each year. Is that correct? [4:10:19, 4:10:20]: Yes, sir. [4:10:21, 4:10:24]: And that's out of fu uh that's gonna be out of the general fund. [4:10:25, 4:10:25]: Yes, sir. [4:10:26, 4:10:27]: A million and a half. [4:10:28, 4:10:29]: Yes, sir. [4:10:30, 4:10:31]: Um [4:10:34, 4:10:34]: Okay. [4:10:37, 4:10:42]: When when you was doing the calculations and on this [4:10:42, 4:10:44]: One of the things that you did recommend. [4:10:45, 4:10:52]: Is that we wait and we didn't we and we had we moved forward with with this. Now we're talking about a million and a half. [4:10:53, 4:10:56]: Uh one point five million dollars plus hit. [4:10:56, 4:11:02]: put it for the next six years on there and then can uh continual after that is about a million, close to a million dollar hit. [4:11:02, 4:11:03]: After that. [4:11:03, 4:11:06]: Um, if we do some type of finagling. [4:11:07, 4:11:17]: Um, I just wanted to reaffirm with you because like I've said before, um, I guess I was one of the council members that didn't vote for it. So what you're sell telling us, and one of the things that you said. [4:11:18, 4:11:22]: But looking at our finances and how we are operating now as our uh uh [4:11:23, 4:11:24]: Financial advisor. [4:11:25, 4:11:29]: How are we supposed to pay this without decreasing our fund balance? [4:11:29, 4:11:30]: Uh every year. [4:11:32, 4:11:34]: You'll have to cut expenses or levy a property tax. [4:11:36, 4:11:36]: Okay. [4:11:40, 4:11:41]: Okay, thank you, sir. [4:11:43, 4:11:49]: Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. Yeah, thank you so much, Mayor. Uh listen, okay, either you're gonna lead or you're gonna get out of the way. [4:11:49, 4:11:50]: Okay. [4:11:50, 4:11:55]: See already delay has already caused the interest rates to go up. [4:11:56, 4:11:56]: So [4:11:57, 4:12:00]: The reason you don't wait is because the interest rates have gone up. [4:12:02, 4:12:04]: When the stimulus money hits the economy. [4:12:05, 4:12:06]: They're gonna continue to go up. [4:12:07, 4:12:16]: It's reckless to continue to talk about waiting. This delay has already cost us money by waiting, by taking so long to get to the bond issue. [4:12:19, 4:12:24]: I wonder about that sometimes because it takes us a long time to get around to things. [4:12:25, 4:12:27]: And in twenty twenty one. [4:12:27, 4:12:28]: Right. [4:12:28, 4:12:35]: Every time we delay and that interest rate tick up a little bit, that's hundreds of thousands of dollars. [4:12:37, 4:12:40]: See, we got one rate earlier. [4:12:40, 4:12:43]: And we got a higher rate this time because they changed. [4:12:44, 4:12:45]: Because it took so long. [4:12:47, 4:12:49]: Delay costs money. [4:12:49, 4:12:57]: See, just like with the developers and the builders, when the wood cost has doubled within the last two to three months. [4:12:57, 4:12:58]: Добуд. [4:12:59, 4:13:05]: Because of the forest fires in California, it costs developers more money when you slow their project down. [4:13:06, 4:13:10]: Because of a developer could have got their project in the ground in November and December. [4:13:11, 4:13:13]: Their cost would have been half. [4:13:14, 4:13:15]: Of what they are now. [4:13:16, 4:13:16]: So [4:13:17, 4:13:21]: Yeah, when they're where when they're pinching pennies to try to get to where they're going. [4:13:21, 4:13:25]: They're pinching pennies because it's taking too long to get around to things. [4:13:25, 4:13:34]: Delay costs money. And in 2021, it's gonna cost a lot of money to a lot of folks because every time you delay, [4:13:34, 4:13:43]: And the Fed is talking about inflation and the Fed is talking about the economy coming back. And when two trillion dollars hits this economy. [4:13:44, 4:13:45]: Okay. [4:13:45, 4:13:49]: This fourteen million dollars that we're bonding now, okay. [4:13:49, 4:13:51]: That payment goes up. [4:13:53, 4:13:53]: So [4:13:54, 4:13:55]: We can talk about delay. [4:13:56, 4:14:07]: But we need to get on a streamlined process and move the process forward. Because if we don't move the process forward now, the next time the bond and the next time we get a quote. [4:14:07, 4:14:09]: The interest rate is going to go up. [4:14:10, 4:14:12]: Okay, the interest rate is going to go up. [4:14:13, 4:14:15]: As we know there is another splash coming. [4:14:16, 4:14:17]: Right. [4:14:17, 4:14:18]: There's another splash coming. [4:14:19, 4:14:24]: We hope to have a tea splice on the budget uh later on on this year. [4:14:24, 4:14:31]: So there's nothing against the rule that says you can't take the next floss and pay this off. Nothing. [4:14:33, 4:14:36]: Ви гивни до сидис войн. [4:14:36, 4:14:41]: After years and years and years of no projects in the city getting done. [4:14:42, 4:14:44]: We're actually getting things done. [4:14:45, 4:14:48]: This bond issuance helps us to pay for the amphitheater. [4:14:48, 4:14:50]: The Culture Arts Center. [4:14:50, 4:14:51]: The police. [4:14:51, 4:14:54]: Uh startup costs all of the above. [4:14:55, 4:14:59]: We've had these discussions over and over again, yet we continue to go down the same road. [4:15:00, 4:15:03]: We gotta lead, ladies and gentlemen. It takes courage to lead. [4:15:04, 4:15:06]: And be in that mode to mo to move forward. [4:15:07, 4:15:09]: So what are we gonna do? Are we gonna sit here and talk about this? [4:15:10, 4:15:11]: We're gonna go ahead and pass it. [4:15:11, 4:15:14]: Because in the end, if we don't pass it today. [4:15:15, 4:15:17]: The next time it's gonna be a little bit higher. [4:15:18, 4:15:19]: So [4:15:20, 4:15:22]: That's my fault. That's my that's my my spiel. [4:15:23, 4:15:24]: Councilman Thomas, go ahead, please. [4:15:24, 4:15:28]: Um Mr. Mayor, thank you. I I just want to remind the council. [4:15:29, 4:15:32]: That Mr. Knight and I showed [4:15:32, 4:15:36]: A surplus of five hundred thousand dollars. [4:15:36, 4:15:38]: Annually [4:15:38, 4:15:41]: uh just by bringing permit in in house. [4:15:41, 4:15:46]: And and that was just based on twenty twenty, which was a was a lean year. [4:15:47, 4:15:47]: Um [4:15:47, 4:15:51]: But after the discussions, uh, I will make the motion. [4:15:51, 4:15:53]: I will yield now to [4:15:53, 4:15:57]: uh allow for other comments, but I just want to remind council. [4:15:58, 4:15:58]: That [4:15:59, 4:16:00]: Three hundred [4:16:00, 4:16:03]: To five hundred thousand dollars annually. [4:16:04, 4:16:08]: That we are not realizing simple because. [4:16:08, 4:16:10]: We are not bringing [4:16:11, 4:16:13]: those services. [4:16:14, 4:16:15]: In-house. [4:16:17, 4:16:17]: Right. [4:16:18, 4:16:26]: Um mayor Tim, go ahead. Yeah, really quick. Now think about this. There's five hundred thousand dollars. We get ready to start our police force. [4:16:27, 4:16:40]: We already know there's an additional five hundred thousand dollars out of there in revenue that's being collected in our city and sent to the state yearly, right? Because the trap this the the citations are not coming to the court. [4:16:40, 4:16:42]: The citations wanna increase. [4:16:42, 4:16:47]: they'll just be transferred into the city. So we already know that. So in addition to what uh [4:16:48, 4:16:49]: Councilman Thomas just stated. [4:16:49, 4:16:52]: By developing by bringing the police department [4:16:53, 4:16:57]: uh to fruition as we said, we'll be able to bring that back. [4:16:57, 4:16:59]: А те до ситі муніципол корт. [4:17:00, 4:17:10]: All right. Uh I saw a hand up earlier. Uh Ms. Gantt, was that your hand I saw earlier? Nope. Okay. Anyone? Oh, I'll put it uh Miss Barber, go ahead, please. [4:17:13, 4:17:14]: Okay, so [4:17:14, 4:17:15]: Um [4:17:16, 4:17:19]: Not really a question, it's more of a statement. [4:17:19, 4:17:20]: And [4:17:21, 4:17:22]: I know. [4:17:22, 4:17:24]: With these bonds. [4:17:24, 4:17:27]: um the issuance of these bonds, we need legal counsel. [4:17:28, 4:17:30]: Have a real problem. [4:17:31, 4:17:33]: When we're paying these attorneys. [4:17:33, 4:17:35]: On the front end, a salary. [4:17:37, 4:17:39]: but yet they're also getting paid. [4:17:39, 4:17:40]: On the back end. [4:17:41, 4:17:41]: With these boxes. [4:17:43, 4:17:44]: This was [4:17:45, 4:17:46]: The very topic. [4:17:47, 4:17:50]: That I spoke with the former city attorney about. [4:17:51, 4:17:53]: I think my second or third month on the council. [4:17:54, 4:17:58]: In which he agreed to remove the language. [4:17:58, 4:17:59]: From his contract. [4:18:01, 4:18:03]: So that he would not be compensated. [4:18:03, 4:18:05]: From these bonds. [4:18:08, 4:18:11]: Mr. Knighton, I spoke with him last week or the week before. [4:18:11, 4:18:13]: Along with Mr. Walls. [4:18:13, 4:18:15]: In regards to my concerns. [4:18:16, 4:18:21]: With the attorneys being paid on the back end of these bonds. [4:18:21, 4:18:24]: They're being hired to provide legal counsel. [4:18:25, 4:18:31]: I understand that there are um processes and paperwork that needs to go through the court systems. [4:18:32, 4:18:33]: But they are attorneys. [4:18:34, 4:18:36]: That's what we hire them for. [4:18:36, 4:18:38]: We're paying them on the front end. [4:18:38, 4:18:39]: To provide us. [4:18:40, 4:18:41]: With legal advice. [4:18:42, 4:18:47]: Why is it now necessary for us to also pay them one percent? [4:18:47, 4:18:51]: of this twenty five million dollars. I got a problem with that. [4:18:52, 4:18:54]: Is the very reason why? [4:18:54, 4:18:59]: I asked Mr. Williams to change or remove that language from his contract. [4:19:01, 4:19:02]: So while he was here. [4:19:03, 4:19:04]: With the city. [4:19:05, 4:19:07]: He was not going to be paid. [4:19:07, 4:19:09]: Or be compensated from these bonds. [4:19:10, 4:19:13]: Now that he's aligned himself with the PFA board. [4:19:14, 4:19:15]: He now has an opportunity. [4:19:15, 4:19:16]: to be paid. [4:19:17, 4:19:20]: Or compensated from these volumes. [4:19:21, 4:19:24]: Mr. Berry and Mr. Washington are just coming on board. [4:19:25, 4:19:31]: I know that they're gonna be splitting this uh one percent of the bonds. I just have a real problem. [4:19:31, 4:19:33]: with them being paid on the back end. [4:19:34, 4:19:36]: That's all. I just wanted to make that comment. [4:19:38, 4:19:40]: Councilman Blanc, go ahead, please. [4:19:42, 4:19:48]: Mayor, one of the things that I truly understand is that when any city and you can look across this country [4:19:49, 4:19:51]: Anytime there's bonding being done. [4:19:52, 4:19:58]: Your city attorney is gonna get paid and the financial advisor's gonna get paid off those bonds. That's just the way the system is set up. [4:19:59, 4:20:00]: Nothing is done for free. [4:20:01, 4:20:02]: Um [4:20:02, 4:20:06]: One of the things that c concerns me more than that. [4:20:07, 4:20:11]: Is that this city has put ourselves in a position with these bonds? [4:20:12, 4:20:19]: That we're speaking on terms of paying how we can pay this, like it's not more taxpayers' money, rather, it's PLOS. [4:20:20, 4:20:24]: Or whether it's extra revenue coming in is still taxpayers' money. [4:20:25, 4:20:29]: And when we talk about taking a five hundred uh a one point five million plus hit. [4:20:30, 4:20:36]: for six years and then uh uh over six m uh about a million dollar hit after that. But we sit here and we'll talk like [4:20:37, 4:20:41]: It's not taxpayers' money, even if it's extra revenue. [4:20:43, 4:20:45]: We're talking about taxpayers' money, we're talking about [4:20:46, 4:20:53]: What it takes to make sound decision. When we make this decision to bond and we're gonna hold 14 million dollars in the bank. [4:20:54, 4:20:57]: to pay revenue to pay interest on. [4:20:57, 4:21:03]: Which came against the standard that was that that that our financial advisor has said that we [4:21:03, 4:21:05]: He wouldn't advise that. [4:21:06, 4:21:08]: A paid financial advisor. [4:21:09, 4:21:15]: We've got our city manager that Steve B uh Bundy added that he knows that [4:21:15, 4:21:17]: This shouldn't go this way. [4:21:18, 4:21:27]: But we got elected officials that have approved 14, we we know we gotta finish the amphitheater, but we got 14 million dollars in bonds we're getting ready to pay, y'all. [4:21:28, 4:21:31]: One over one point five miljon dollars a year on for six years. [4:21:32, 4:21:33]: But it's okay. [4:21:34, 4:21:36]: Because we got extra revenue coming in. [4:21:36, 4:21:38]: All of it is taxpayers' money. [4:21:39, 4:21:53]: All of it is taxpayer money. And for us to sit money in the bank and bonds to pay interest on before we do a project, instead of looking at how we're gonna do this and move about and then take the advice of the people we've hired to give us the advice. [4:21:54, 4:21:55]: А е за ситисон. [4:21:56, 4:21:59]: Didn't want to see this city go down that road, but we have. [4:22:00, 4:22:00]: And now [4:22:01, 4:22:04]: Дефвита фенечі тленус. [4:22:05, 4:22:07]: A financial advisor telling us. [4:22:07, 4:22:15]: That we may have to implement a tax to pay this because our budget is only about 12 million, and we're talking about now. [4:22:15, 4:22:23]: We're talking 1.5 million and other costs that we're going to accumulate because we have capital improvement projects already going, major project. [4:22:25, 4:22:27]: So, but it's okay. [4:22:28, 4:22:29]: Because we got [4:22:29, 4:22:30]: Other funds coming in. [4:22:32, 4:22:33]: Councilman Thomas, go ahead, please. [4:22:34, 4:22:38]: Mr. Mayor, I I move that we approve the um [4:22:39, 4:22:43]: Bond interest rate for fees and distributions. [4:22:43, 4:22:50]: All right, is that a second? Second. Second. Okay, mayor pro tem second that. Okay, unless there's other further discussion. [4:22:50, 4:22:52]: If it's not all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [4:22:53, 4:22:54]: Okay. [4:22:55, 4:22:57]: Oh all right. Miss Barber, you had your [4:22:59, 4:23:03]: I'm I'm so are you are you voting for it and against it or just abstain? [4:23:05, 4:23:06]: Ms. Barber, are you voting for it or? [4:23:08, 4:23:10]: Did you call for the vote? [4:23:10, 4:23:19]: I know I we already voted. Oh, I thought we vo voted. I was just wondering where you vote. I I got four comf uh affirmatives. I wouldn't sure are you forward to vote? It's unanimous decision then. Okay. [4:23:19, 4:23:20]: All right, thank you. [4:23:20, 4:23:25]: Appreciate that. Um what's next what's next or my comments? [4:23:25, 4:23:35]: Oh Mayor Ford, Mayor Ford, I think Councilman Blount Councilman Blount didn't Councilman Blount did not was not included on that vote. I didn't vote. I'm sorry in affirmative. [4:23:36, 4:23:37]: So you are okay, so it's [4:23:37, 4:23:40]: So you you're a so what is one? [4:23:40, 4:23:45]: Four oh four to one. All right, excuse me. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Thank you for getting it straight. Appreciate that. [4:23:45, 4:23:46]: All right. Um [4:23:47, 4:23:51]: Couple of notes, a couple uh things I need to mention. First of all, it's your constitutional right to [4:23:52, 4:24:04]: to vote. So the Henry County clause number six is is up for a referendum right now. And um so that's proposed investments of$325 million with the Henry County school system. [4:24:04, 4:24:24]: And the project list, you can check that out at uh henryesbloss.com. So we're looking at creating a STEM opportunities, addressing uh constant growth uh which which the county is having. School system upgrades, technology upgrades, transportation upgrades. Uh early voting is going on right now at the Merle Manders Conference Center. [4:24:24, 4:24:44]: and all the and even at the Fairview to Austin Roads and uh then as I and I know I asked the clerk earlier today this before the meeting started that actually on the sixteenth of uh March, actual election day, you go to your normal poll, uh your election poll to uh to actually vote on that particular day itself. [4:24:44, 4:25:04]: So it's constitutional rights, so please get out there and vote, folks. And also the 90th district, the state representative has a runoff if you actually happen to be a citizen in the area that is represented by the 90th district. And that is actually being conducted at Merrill Man. [4:25:04, 4:25:05]: Conference center as well. [4:25:06, 4:25:17]: Yeah. Um let's talk about the vaccination and which is uh ongoing as we as we is now in reference to this COVID nineteen. Um [4:25:18, 4:25:38]: The March 16th next Tuesday. Uh it'll be the second doses for JP Mosley. And then March 23rd and the 30th on Tuesday. It'll be a second doses for people uh that have to go to uh to um locust grove. All right, and uh that's from 8:30 to 3 p.m. now second. [4:25:38, 4:25:40]: [15941.1, 15947.2]: And I said Mark 16th and JP Mosley, that's really the individuals that that had their first doses at the Merrill Miners Conference Center. [4:25:47, 4:25:52]: Several weeks ago, actually three weeks ago, the second doses will be at JP Mosley. [4:25:52, 4:25:55]: Okay. Now and of course to make a reservation. [4:25:56, 4:26:02]: for any of the vaccination shots and the public uh health department number to do this would be seven six two [4:26:03, 4:26:06]: eight eight eight eight one eight zero. Once again seven six two [4:26:07, 4:26:09]: eight eight eight eight one eight zero. [4:26:10, 4:26:15]: Now starting on March twenty fifth, the county has worked it out with the Atlanta Motor Speedway. [4:26:16, 4:26:17]: Yeah, starting March twenty fifth. [4:26:18, 4:26:21]: The uh vaccinations will be conducted at [4:26:21, 4:26:23]: Atlanta Motor Speedway. [4:26:23, 4:26:27]: And uh that's Tarson eight eight thirty to two forty five. [4:26:27, 4:26:44]: And it's like a max uh vaccination site. They're looking at roughly a thousand to fifteen hundred people uh to handle through that uh drive-thru um max uh vaccination site. So uh so actually vaccinations always open up on Wednesday at um [4:26:45, 4:26:45]: Eight o'clock. [4:26:46, 4:26:48]: And go from Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. [4:26:48, 4:26:58]: you know, to make your appointment. And um it is eight to five every day. And then once again that's 762-888-8180. [4:26:59, 4:27:00]: All right. [4:27:00, 4:27:16]: Now, the Henry County Schools, this general information for folks, and if there's school teachers out here, it's been notified that the the uh governor wants to get the school teachers and the school personnel vaccinated. Well, the Henry County County schools now have their own pod. [4:27:17, 4:27:21]: And uh they have the Johnson and Johnson. [4:27:21, 4:27:26]: One shot, Johnson and Johnson for all school teachers and and folks within the school system. [4:27:27, 4:27:47]: And that'll be conducted on Wednesdays. And this Wednesday for sure, there are roughly gonna be 300 people that they want to vaccinate with the Johnson and Johnson. And that's gonna be at the old Henry County Middle School location. The old Henry County School Mid uh uh middle school location is where I'll be done. That's open, that'll be available for school teachers and school personnel. [4:27:47, 4:27:49]: Nine A. M. to three PM. [4:27:49, 4:28:05]: And then the following Wednesdays, they're looking to get uh five hundred or six hundred people in the school system vaccinated. And uh they roughly have uh thirty four hundred doses scheduled of Johnson and Johnson, which is one shot. [4:28:05, 4:28:11]: Uh for the Henry County School System, some general information for you. And I forgot to mention this earlier. When you go to Atlanta Motor Speedway, [4:28:12, 4:28:32]: That'd be the Pfizer vaccination, by the way. Pfizer, when we go to the Atlanta Motor Speedway, and it's based on the uh the availability of the doses. So uh and that's so so you so you need to know that. Now, also vaccinations have the priority, but if you still need to be [4:28:32, 4:28:52]: be tested. All right. And the Heritage Senior Center at 1050 Florence McGardy Boulevard in McDonough will still test you. You have to set an appointment for that though. Once again that's 800-847-4262. 800-847-4262 for a testing. The priority [4:28:52, 4:28:58]: of course is on vaccinations, but some people still need to get tested so that that you can do that. That's Monday to Thursday. [4:28:59, 4:29:00]: Nine AM to three PM. [4:29:01, 4:29:03]: Or Saturdays nine AM to twelve moon. [4:29:03, 4:29:05]: Twelve noon, excuse me. [4:29:05, 4:29:06]: at the Heritage Senior Center. [4:29:07, 4:29:08]: All right. [4:29:08, 4:29:11]: Now a bit of information that you need to know. [4:29:11, 4:29:12]: Found out this today. [4:29:13, 4:29:18]: You know, you've heard about in the media and the news there's different variations of this covet nineteen. [4:29:19, 4:29:21]: Well, unfortunately s uh Henry County. [4:29:22, 4:29:23]: And stop breed specifically. [4:29:24, 4:29:25]: Have hit the radar screen. [4:29:26, 4:29:29]: І South African virus of ковід найти. [4:29:29, 4:29:32]: What's it called? B one five one three one. [4:29:32, 4:29:34]: has one case [4:29:34, 4:29:36]: And where it happened to be the first case. [4:29:36, 4:29:37]: In Georgia. [4:29:38, 4:29:39]: Someone [4:29:39, 4:29:40]: Unfortunately. [4:29:41, 4:29:44]: In Henry County, even more so, I've been told in Stockbridge. [4:29:45, 4:30:05]: Came up with the South African virus. All right. Now they're gonna the public health department's gonna research this further in reference to other cases with the that may be in Georgia. But supposedly we unfortunately have the very first one of this virus. They also acknowledge the fact that the European virus or the UK virus, basically what they call it, that's a B117. [4:30:05, 4:30:11]: is in the state. I didn't they I didn't give me a total of number of people, but somehow this virus is in the state as well. [4:30:12, 4:30:15]: So my point to everybody, of course, is this this is real. [4:30:15, 4:30:32]: This is not fake. This is real and it's serious. So mask up, wash your hands, use hand sanitizer, stay away from big crowds, and uh just be careful and get your vaccination when the time comes up, when you're qualified for that. And if you want to get tested, go please go get tested. [4:30:33, 4:30:37]: And in this aspect, extremely important and it's extremely dare a dangerous virus. [4:30:38, 4:30:58]: Um, I believe that is all my comments at this time, other than the fact that uh I'd like for you all to keep your uh keep prayers and keep the um Gary Barnum and his family in your prayers and um and just keep yourself safe in the process because um the COVID [4:30:58, 4:31:02]: We'll take you out if you're not ready, if you're not right for this. So just be safe. [4:31:04, 4:31:10]: Um on that note, I'll move on to other comments. Uh city offices are closed due to COVID 19 precautions. [4:31:11, 4:31:31]: City offices are closed until further notice. And if you have to go to the city website, which is citystoppers.com and to get any additional information on things that are going on with the city or any service information whatsoever. And of course, uh you go to Facebook page or contact city hall offices at 770-389-7900. [4:31:31, 4:31:33]: [16294.3, 16314.3]: City Council meeting is uh the 30th, the second Monday of each month, which should our next one will be the 12th of April. Main Street Advisory Board meeting is 9 a.m. And by way of Zoom. Matter of fact, all these meetings by way of Zoom. Second Friday of each month, which should be 12 March. Downtown Development Authority meeting is 6 p.m. by way of Zoom. [4:31:54, 4:31:58]: third Tuesday of each month at uh which will be sixteenth March. [4:31:59, 4:32:19]: The U Council Advisory meeting is 6 30 by way of Zoom, 30 the third third excuse me, the third Tuesday of each month, which is also 16 uh March. And the Planning Commission meeting is uh 6:30 by way of Zoom, the fourth Thursday of each month, and that'll be the 25th of March. And our next council work session is 6 p.m. by Zoom. And of course. [4:32:19, 4:32:32]: course it's the last Tuesday of each month and that'd be the 30 March. And uh council, I need a motion to go in as a for specific uh legal litigation issues. Okay. [4:32:32, 4:32:33]: Come. [4:32:33, 4:32:38]: No move. Ms. Plus, so move. Second Gantt, second dad. All in favor, please indicate. [4:32:40, 4:32:43]: All right. Thank you very much. Um [4:32:43, 4:32:57]: I will say, Miss Holliday, we need separate uh email links to get in. I have ten twenty eight. So uh we need ten minutes or so. We need ten minutes to before we get this and get back in the exact session. That'll work. [4:32:58, 4:32:59]: I can't hear you, Miss Holliday. [4:33:01, 4:33:08]: Yeah. Only about five. It won't take that long. All right. So I'll see ladies and gentlemen about five minutes or so. Thank you. [4:33:11, 4:33:13]: Please exit this meeting. [4:33:23, 4:33:24]: Okay. [4:39:03, 4:39:09]: Right, so we got uh we are missing the clerk is not present. [4:39:10, 4:39:13]: And uh Barber's not present. [4:39:16, 4:39:17]: Can't you hear me? [4:39:28, 4:39:30]: Okay, where's the clerk? [4:39:35, 4:39:35]: Just trying to get in there. [4:39:36, 4:39:37]: Okay. Thank you, sir. [4:39:59, 4:40:01]: Okay, so we [4:40:02, 4:40:05]: Everybody. Well well wait a minute. [4:40:06, 4:40:09]: Uh Miss Can, are you online? [4:40:11, 4:40:14]: It's cancer, okay. [4:40:16, 4:40:17]: Please. [4:40:18, 4:40:19]: I don't believe my [4:40:20, 4:40:22]: Or Miss and Miss Barber. [4:40:23, 4:40:24]: There she comes. [4:40:28, 4:40:34]: All right. So we have everybody now. So council, I need a motion to end executive session, please. [4:40:37, 4:40:38]: Estamos. [4:40:38, 4:40:45]: Okay. Okay. So Miss Ms. Gantt? Mr. Thomas. All right. Thank you. All favor, please indicate. [4:40:47, 4:40:52]: Okay, thank you very much. Now I need a motion to convene our council meeting, please. [4:40:52, 4:40:53]: Come move. [4:40:53, 4:41:08]: Okay, is there a second? Okay, Ms. Thomas seconds that one as well. Thank you. Um before you do that, we have nothing to report uh uh from the executive session for the general public. So on that note, folks, I need a motion to end our council meeting. So moved. [4:41:08, 4:41:09]: There's like [4:41:10, 4:41:13]: Ms. uh Mr. Thomas again Thomas again, all in favor, please indicate. [4:41:14, 4:41:19]: Okay. Snaps to s good night everybody. Have a good evening. Good night.