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--- title: August 28 2018 Work Session Meeting date: 2018-08-28 source: 2018-08-28_August_28_2018_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:24, 0:00:25]: Yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't know. [0:00:27, 0:00:30]: Okay. [0:00:36, 0:00:37]: Well called the Lord. [0:00:40, 0:00:52]: Invocation, please. Pastor Green, if you could come quite and if you can't stand, please go back. I would ask if you would take the hand of the person holding to you as we unite. [0:00:53, 0:00:56]: I want a board and go for the dwarf waist. [0:00:56, 0:01:16]: Everybody have a hand? Let us pray. Most wise God, we come to you today. Just thanking you for allowing us to get up this morning. Lord, we thank you for the angels that watched over us last night. And we thank you for allowing us to see the dying of this day. God, we just praise you and we thank you for your son Jesus, who gave it all that coward so that we're going to have this right. [0:01:16, 0:01:17]: The two of white. [0:01:18, 0:01:38]: Now Lord, as we intervene for this business session meeting here today at the City of Stockbridge, be in every thought, be in every decision, be in everything that's going to take place here. Because we know God, when you're in it, everything works out the way it has to work out. So we give you praise, we give you glory, we give you honor. [0:01:38, 0:01:58]: And we magnify your name. It's in the massive name of Jesus. We pray and we ask that all that the people of God say Amen. One nation. [0:01:58, 0:02:03]: We got individual team just as well. [0:02:15, 0:02:35]: Thank you. Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. Yes, ma'am. I would like to ask to uh amend the agenda, please, uh changing new business number item number 13. [0:02:35, 0:02:38]: and bringing it up to be presented now. [0:02:38, 0:02:58]: Um before the public comments or after the public comments due to the fact that on our calendar everything is gonna be presented by staff and we only have one presenter and then that way uh they travel a good distance so that way we can go ahead and you know let them present and um be excused from the meeting. Okay, so you can [0:02:58, 0:03:18]: Mr. Mayor, I'd like to take this opportunity just to reiterate the calendar or the schedule of when uh items, agenda items, and supporting documents are to be submitted to the clerk office. It benefits all of us. [0:03:18, 0:03:38]: for us to meet these deadlines so that when we get our votes and we have the opportunity to ask staff questions. And they have an opportunity to answer those questions. So when we come to this meeting today or our regular meeting, we don't have to just get bogged down with a lot of questions. So [0:03:38, 0:03:58]: If you don't mind, Madam Clerk could reiterate that schedule. I would need to resubmit that. I don't know the date off time here, but I would certainly um redistribute the agenda timeline to staff and then on that note. [0:03:58, 0:04:10]: I guess it sensed the staff as well as the council will need to adhere to the timeline. And then that has okay? But we already have the move. This is their power for presentation for today. [0:04:10, 0:04:26]: Okay. Any other discussion on this uh amendment to the agenda? And then maybe I should ask uh if um the Congress of Plan is in there or do you also want Pile Plants available? Okay. I didn't know that. We'll make sure. [0:04:27, 0:04:37]: Just a clarification because you asked if you were going to be for or after the public on the on the institution. As the public after the public yeah, after public on the year. [0:04:38, 0:04:58]: Any further discussion about the amendment to the agenda, the most amendment to the agenda? I just want to say that uh I understand that we want to make sure that uh we fall in line and we do what's necessary to give staff time to uh you know prepare adequately for the remote and gave [0:04:58, 0:05:18]: to be flexible sometimes if important information comes forward. So you know that's maybe on case by case basis sometimes if something urgent or something important information comes, but we show some flexibility. Okay, so be it. And all the comments are favorable to please indicate? Okay, thank you. We appreciate that. [0:05:18, 0:05:38]: So uh we have public comments. No, no, no. Let me do this. That's in the uh the minutes from the following meeting. For you just to take review. I don't know if you have any changes in council on that, but uh the special call meeting on july twentieth, twenty eighteen. Work session minutes on July twenty-fourth, uh the uh council meeting minutes on [0:05:38, 0:05:40]: On the August thirteenth. [0:05:41, 0:06:01]: The um budget retreat minutes for the Thursday and Friday, the August sixteenth and seventeenth are in your books. We'll hold on these minutes for approval at our next meeting. They're in there if we read. Okay, I have a problem. Yes, ma'am. Um I have a discussion with our clerk in reference to our budget retreat. Um [0:06:01, 0:06:21]: um some of the minutes that were on there. Um it was just some concerns of statements that were made in reference to the youth council travels to the National League of Cities. Some of the things that was listed or stated that was indicated stated by me in the amount that for$3,000 that I was trying to reach [0:06:21, 0:06:41]: to obtain funding so that our vice chair can attend. And that was not my direction. My direction was actually including stating what did not take place. And what I did request was for the um already approved budget that was indicated um for the [0:06:41, 0:07:01]: twenty eighteen to be allowed. There was no amendment to the U Council budget. We were basically requesting for the budget that was already approved to be able to move forward. So some of the wording in here. Um and then there was no mention of the response from our city attorney to be included in these minutes. Um [0:07:01, 0:07:21]: volunteer capacity. So I just want to make sure um when we're doing it, I it I don't want it to look like the youth council is asking for additional funds when in fact that was not the case. So I had a conversation um with the clerk in reference to that, so I just want to um explain that to the card. Okay. So those changes will be made [0:07:21, 0:07:41]: for the rule or nuts. There was a difference of opinion on that. Um but that was stated by Council and Ronson. Um it was my understanding that we're gonna send out an email um to that effect and I was waiting [0:07:41, 0:08:01]: hear back from that email for any of the other members who are any meeting to chime in with that email went out. I hadn't seen that or Nora had I heard from any of the other members. Yes, and she's the way I was waiting until we had this meeting so that way I can be transparent verbally myself so that way everybody can see me saying it. But again [0:08:01, 0:08:21]: the when um asked by mayor pro tem Gantt what would it cost for that individual if that was the case, it was not the three thousand dollars. God gave a twelve fifty figure that would be the cost for her, but again the request was not to allow funding for that individual um in a sense to attend. It was just stated that [0:08:21, 0:08:41]: um if we had the monies for our budget that that would be uh an opportunity for her and some others if needed be to do things for the travel. So right now you give us clarification on on your position on this, we'll send an email out to everybody else. Yes. And then folks will chime in and look to potentially pop potentially adjust this. [0:08:41, 0:09:01]: before we move on to that next week. And even in our conversation, hopefully going forward when we have our retreats that we would have a uh tape of um that we we could make sure that we take our but our retreats as well so that way we won't have the um I guess the misunderstanding of what was said. Okay. Do you do have a comment [0:09:01, 0:09:21]: Yeah, I I think that uh as we go over the well there was a question raised by a citizen earlier when I was speaking with them about the uh the parking uh that's on the agenda. Right. Yeah we're gonna talk about that. Right, right, but yeah, right. We're gonna we're gonna open it back up and then correct. Yeah, okay. Yeah, it's a bad little open up and [0:09:21, 0:09:41]: All right, so on that note if uh we've already voted on that thing. You just have this account, we already voted on that. So really what's next I believe is public comments. There have been no approving. Okay. So on that note then um so we're gonna move it to go to item number thirteen, move it up now, council consideration approval the resolution. [0:09:41, 0:10:01]: The use of the lower level of uh Roman's Commerce Center for November 17, 8 a.m. to 2 p.m. for a housing forum with the Atlanta urban league and Miss Robinson, Mr. Robinson, you and Miss Brown. Yes, yes, Mayor. Well, she's coming up to the podium. I just wanted to start out as um I started last year with a housing forum, basically education. [0:10:00, 0:10:20]: Our community is an economic driven, so we want to definitely make sure that we're educating our community of what's available so that way our citizens will have the opportunity to have access. What she's going to be bringing to us today is the first time that this organization has held this on the South Side, which is [0:10:20, 0:10:40]: In Herman County, it's mostly done on the north end, and this is one of the larger events that they host. So anytime that there's an opportunity, um, like I said, we did the housing forum last year, and we also did one earlier this year that actually turned out to be something like a lunch and learn um for our employees. Um so we just want to expand. [0:10:40, 0:11:00]: this a little more and using it uh on the lower level of the Merrill Mandar Center because there's another event that will take place at the top. So this will be hosted at the lower level at a different time frame so it won't um interfere with the event that's going to be upstairs. Okay. And I just want to introduce this graph. [0:11:00, 0:11:20]: Thank you. Thank you all for having me. Thank you there forward. And uh Council Member Robinson and each of the Council members. Thank you all. Um as stated, my name is John Ed Brown and I am the director of our housing, well building and community development program with the urban [0:11:20, 0:11:26]: I think that's fine. [0:11:26, 0:11:46]: um uh with the urban league of greater atlanta and for those of you that aren't familiar with the urban leagues um we are a hundred and ten year old civil rights uh organization we are ninety eight years um candidate [0:11:46, 0:12:06]: Atlanta, Georgia, our national uh office is in New York. Um, we have several different platforms, and I made some copies and I hope everyone was able to get them of our different programs and platforms uh that we offer. We differ from a few of our other [0:12:06, 0:12:26]: sister organizations such as NAACP and Randall Bush and a few others in that we uh believe in the premise of economic development for all is where the eco sign is and it's not just for one group, one diverse group. We actually [0:12:26, 0:12:38]: service all groups that are undeserved and minority groups. So we are not just specifically for African Americans. We are from all the groups. [0:12:39, 0:12:59]: And our focus again is economic development. And we do so by educating those through different platforms such as the one that I run housing. We actually have six different platforms, one of which is our entrepreneurship program. [0:12:59, 0:12:59]: Mm-hmm. [0:12:59, 0:13:02]: where we educate those that are interested. [0:13:03, 0:13:23]: and um opening up a business or those that currently have a business but are looking to expand their business, looking for funding and partner with SBA and different organizations to help them in their business uh throughout the Metropolitan Atlanta area, including all metropolitan [0:13:23, 0:13:43]: the town counties, which includes Cameron County as well. We have a very good uh robust re-entry program um whereas we help those that are currently incarcerated. We uh just uh partner with the City of Atlanta and Marakeisha Lance Bottom. [0:13:42, 0:13:57]: and working with 10 individuals that are currently incarcerated but have been hired by watershed management for this to be attained. So these individuals are actually employed while they are incarcerated. [0:13:58, 0:14:18]: And instead of leaving um the system with twenty-five dollars and a good look and standing net chance for recidivism, they actually will be released with monies um from their employment uh once they are done. Uh things are done on [0:14:17, 0:14:37]: they're going to have such as taking care of that child support if it's there or anything that they may have any type of federal that is taken care of with those funds that they are receiving while incarcerate, which is awesome. I couldn't believe when we had that program. [0:14:37, 0:14:57]: We also have outreach and advocacy where we have voter registration drives. And we also have a very good youth platform where we work with youth ages 14 through 24 that may be in the middle of age of 18. [0:14:57, 0:15:17]: or perhaps been touched by the judicial system, or maybe they just need some guidance and direction. Maybe they are interested in getting a career started. We have a partnership with construction rate partnership. [0:15:17, 0:15:37]: So that they are trained in that field as well. And that's on our youth platform. And we also have a workforce development platform where we have those that are looking for different careers or perhaps want to just uh find a career, if you will, which is still a an issue. [0:15:37, 0:15:57]: in the state of Georgia um uh despite what um statistics say there are still quite a few people that are underemployed and unemployed and need help um in that area and of course housing wealth building and community development which is my program [0:15:57, 0:16:17]: And what we do is educate persons that are interested in purchasing homes. So we actually educate them on the process of becoming a homeowner. Not only that, we help them in the process of sustaining that particular property once they are homeownered. [0:16:17, 0:16:26]: Which um in Hingree County could be very beneficial to those that are currently in Hingley. [0:16:27, 0:16:47]: As far as economics are concerned, homeowners will be here. Renters will be here. So we know that building wealth and legacy, if you will, uh one of the first steps to doing so is possibly becoming a homeowner. Uh you know, that could help generation wise. So we also [0:16:46, 0:17:06]: We also offer financial education and financial literacy to that platform as well as foreclosure mitigation and intervention. So for persons that are in distress and they stand a chance of losing their home, we actually work. [0:17:06, 0:17:26]: uh with their servicers, their banks, landlord lenders to help um with that process. And if they actually need the terms and conditions of a loan that may be difficult for them to pay, we help mitigate that process and change the terms and conditions of that loan. We have them stay in that property. [0:17:26, 0:17:27]: [1047.5, 1060.0]: I uh usually have a workshop with the um educational workshop monthly where I typically have anywhere between 40 and 60 participants monthly. [0:17:40, 0:18:00]: And I have two large ones annually, one in the month of June, uh, which is National Ownership Month, and another one in the month of November in the Servants of Veterans Day. The two large events uh annually I usually have anywhere between a hundred to upwards to two. [0:18:00, 0:18:20]: 250 participants for the two larger ones. So on an annual basis, I normally touch about a thousand participants or potential homework. And lastly, I have a program that is called Bankworks, where we train participants. [0:18:19, 0:18:36]: over an eight-week period. It is an improved program, four cohorts, eight weeks for each cohort that are interested in the financial sector, entry-level banking position, and in the financial sector as a whole. [0:18:36, 0:18:56]: And those are our platforms and I'm super excited and I um hope you all are about the uh potential of bringing this to uh Henry County. I feel that it could be very beneficial. Um I always love we speak to Henry County when we discuss now payment assistance options. [0:18:56, 0:19:16]: because I do service the entire state of Georgia. And for those that travel to the city of Atlanta, quite a few of the residents already traveled, but they have to come to wherever I am throughout the metropolitan area. But they are citizens of Heron County and specifically of Southbridge. [0:19:16, 0:19:26]: I had appointed you that travel to leave on a monthly basis just to get that education and to receive their certificate, which makes them eligible for downpayment assistance. [0:19:27, 0:19:47]: Thank you, Ms. Brown. And also in the in here it stated to my colleagues, it said eight to two, but it's actually nine to four. So that was the uh error on my end. It's actually from nine to four on that Saturday. Are there any questions? So as a realtor myself, so tell me about the down [0:19:47, 0:20:07]: So it isn't our down payment assistance program. We are a hunter proof housing counseling agency, therefore all of my partners include Georgia Dream and West Atlanta. All of the county programs, all of the city programs. What we do is facilitate the education for the [0:20:07, 0:20:27]: Participants and issue those certificates that are mandatory for them to have in order to receive down payment assistance. My last large workshop, I had a firefighter because there are special programs out there for firefighters, police officers, and educators that was able to take advantage of down payment assistance. [0:20:26, 0:20:35]: On top of uh being in the program itself, which is allowed to put [0:20:39, 0:20:59]: So for us, is it for the residents? Is it for realtors too or is there a lot of people? I have a realtor too that comes, you know, that come in uh the classes, the way that they're set up, the large classes are vendor-drawn, which this would be a vendor-based um uh class. [0:20:59, 0:21:19]: So I partnered with Cellus for 25 years. So I know quite a few people in the business itself. So the way that the classes are set up is to educate the participants. I typically have a lender come in and speak for an hour, a router come in and speak for an hour, a closing attorney to come in and they stay. [0:21:19, 0:21:39]: sector appraisal, they leave with all of that information that they need from industry professionals as well as that certificate at the end of that class, at the end of each class. And the certificate is good for one week. [0:21:39, 0:21:59]: as you're doing you they you they they're talking through the process and then or the assistant have the worst in of uh in obtaining the the assistants they are okay they're actually encouraged to come in for counseling okay if they're ready to get pre-qualified a great many of them are ready to go right after [0:21:59, 0:22:15]: Some of them have to have, we take you wherever you are with the early. So whether they came in with a 700 credit score or a 400 credit score, I'm going to take them. And we're going to prep them to the point of getting approved. [0:22:16, 0:22:20]: Yeah. Yeah. Just a couple of quick ones real quick. [0:22:20, 0:22:25]: So these are but you're gonna have vendors at the location at the time of the time? [0:22:26, 0:22:46]: And the vendors would include industry professionals and then it would include some others that may be interest you know interested uh in the city of stockers, such as your local banks. I would encourage them to come and others. Yeah, um because I'm looking at the different type vendors. Now these these vendors [0:22:46, 0:23:06]: that are coming, are they coming to offer their time or they're paying to be a part of this court? They're coming to offer their time. Uh-huh. They're actually coming for that face-to-face interaction with 200 participants to to draw a business. [0:23:06, 0:23:26]: Blessings. Okay. Thank you for the presentation. But we're still the we need the motion simply domain, I believe. Right. I make a motion, uh, Mayor, to allow me or the results to approve a resolution for me to use the lower level of the mural and on November the seventeenth nine four for housing form um with the amount. [0:23:26, 0:23:46]: Absolutely, thank you. Okay. Uh we'll now go to our public hearing and um council consideration to amend chapter twelve of the city's code as it relates to [0:23:46, 0:24:06]: Parking requirements for development small foods. We are moving forward tonight in amendment of chapter 12. This is a public hearing. So a staff has brought [0:24:06, 0:24:17]: for me tonight is consideration to repeal and replace chapter 12 off-street parking road for the entire city side bridge. [0:24:19, 0:24:39]: I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm assuming that these changes already take into reflect the the survey results or or not? Well these are different. These are like if colds come in or a new restaurant or new office building, what are the parking requirements in terms of calculations? Okay. [0:24:39, 0:24:50]: parking spaces and upgrade coin piece. So these are more your development standards for parking for instances. Alright council any questions? [0:24:51, 0:25:11]: Uh as far as this is concerned, uh these are standards that you thought were very important to the public to dad to I kinda like we kinda tell everybody why is it that we thought that these were so important that sometimes kinda help everybody understand where we're going with this particular measure. So your existing parking standards do not [0:25:11, 0:25:31]: Um accurately allows them to calculate for varying uses. So let's just say you have a strip mall, and when that strip mall is built, they don't know where the tenants are going to be, right? And so they estimate based on the number of parks that they think this would need. However, [0:25:31, 0:25:51]: A restaurant may take up two different corners, and because restaurants, because the type of uses that they are, require more parking, say that next door you have a dentist office. And our current parking orders doesn't allow that. So this allows us to add. [0:25:51, 0:26:11]: Actually deal with the use within existing structures and structures that are coming to make the correct calculation based on parking that is actually adequate to make sure that businesses have enough offering. And I guess the follow-up question is that now we're gonna go uh previously missed down with the one thirty eight overlay. [0:26:11, 0:26:24]: where we uh develop a more urban look and where the parking would be in the rear. Is this addressed at all or is that at all itself or something? This does not dress location, it addresses numbers. [0:26:25, 0:26:26]: Any other questions for the answer? [0:26:28, 0:26:48]: Alright on that note this is open this is a public hearing so I need to open this up. So uh open up this uh public hearing for any public comments uh about this particular uh revision of chapter twelve all street parking and loading. So I'll start at my left. Anybody over here pop uh comments full? Clarifications. No, we we're don't know what else on the room that wants to speak. [0:26:48, 0:27:08]: But there would be two. Yeah, we have a total of four different public interns. This is the first of four. Right, so this was not this not the worst. This is first of all. I just want to make sure that they understand. Okay, first of all. Anybody uh anybody over here for four? Uh wanna make comments four. Okay. [0:27:07, 0:27:27]: Here one of the comments for all right. That will hear if we want comments against. Alright? And on that note, then you need a a motion to accept these uh this particular update. I'll make a motion to [0:27:27, 0:27:47]: Uh loomful would be the recommendation of all three parts. Second. Second, second. There you go. Second. All right. Any further discussion with council? If not all in favor, please any take. Okay. Thank you. All right. Now the public hearing we will continue from a previous council meeting, council consideration to amend the city's [0:27:47, 0:28:07]: Parking orders as it relates to on-street parking. Ms. More, please. Yes, sir. Mayor Council, as you know that you asked that we actually put our survey into the community. This deals with subdivision parking within HOAs. We have begun to get responses, and I've included in all your packages the results. What's that was [0:28:07, 0:28:27]: Like to do is to keep this open uh for a period of time to be determined that you see fit so that we can actually make sure that we capture all the responses that we can capture as it relates to this particular issue. Um I was kind of concerned. [0:28:27, 0:28:47]: It was out of 27,000 residents. We only had like 300 and something that responded. Um, so I would definitely like to keep this open. Um, however, I do want to do this as the residents of we had a lot to have already come forth to go ahead and directly um you know take [0:28:47, 0:29:07]: take care of you know their concerns. Um so but but I definitely don't want to close this. 300 out of 27,000 is just not enough um for awareness for everyone. But those specific um subdivisions that have come forth, we definitely need to make them a priority um in their on their in their [0:29:07, 0:29:27]: Right. And one thing I want to add is that we're basing this off of root tops, and I think the calculation that we came up with was there was 4200 roots. Um that it could be. Okay, yeah. So now you the total yeah, because you have multiple. [0:29:27, 0:29:47]: people in home well it does have it it does not bring into your apartments uh well I'm gonna say the twenty seven thousand takes in individuals who live everywhere and so you just try to we just need an estimate based on the number of rooftops that you have is also ones that are actually impacted by driveway. Okay. [0:29:47, 0:30:07]: Yes, sir, go ahead. Uh with all due respect to my counsel. We've been waiting three years on this. And you know, we never if we had three hundred responses, that's about uh two hundred and ninety more than we get on most subjects. Most times we have about ten people or less come to the podium to speak. [0:30:07, 0:30:27]: On what were the concerns that we brought forward, and we've made the decision. We've been dealing with this process here for about three years. We got residents who are extremely frustrated with the slow pace of this process. We promised residents at our last meeting when we delayed. [0:30:27, 0:30:47]: this that we're gonna do act we're gonna have action this time and now we're asking for even more time when I got residents in my neighborhood going at each other on Facebook because people are parking on the street and we have commotions going on. I have talking to the residents of Falling Waters and other communities. [0:30:47, 0:31:07]: They need something done. They're going out acting upon their own because we haven't been able to resolve this issue in an expeditious fashion. Now, with three, now, I just don't know. All of us, I think most some of us got 300 votes total to get a [0:31:07, 0:31:27]: Elected. So I don't know how many more we want in order to make this decision because we put it out on Facebook, we put it out on the web. Folks are just gonna do what they're going to do. It would be great if we could get twenty seven thousand people to vote in the election, but basically I think maybe we got about three thousand votes total. [0:31:27, 0:31:47]: To get all of us elected completely. So I want to see us move forward with with making a decision so we can go forward. We had 300 people who took their time and then we've already extended it one time before. So this will be the second extension. We extended it. [0:31:47, 0:32:07]: because to give more people an opportunity to speak. We've given them more time to speak. That brought the number up from uh maybe what, I don't know what the what was the original number. Right, we went from 187 to 300. So we still didn't we we didn't move the needle a lot. [0:32:07, 0:32:11]: [1931.7, 1951.7]: Right? Over at Terry Strickland. And when we first started talking about this in July, we had the residents from falling waters here. We promised them by August 1st we were going to come back with some results. It's the end of August now. And we have not moved forward with this idea. So I'm asking this council uh and and I think you [0:32:31, 0:32:51]: heard someone speak for volume was that they're ready for some action and uh I'd like to see that. Okay. Number three fifty three. One second. Three fifty three and and this bottom. I just want to do my follow up. Um and since you're saying the forty two hundred I just want to be clear. Um I just want to make sure [0:32:51, 0:33:11]: And Councilman, for your um all due respect, but you said three years, but we just now had staff to start acting upon this, putting it out there. Um so going from July to now, which is August, to me is just short notice for all of 4200 um residents. But again, I stated for those. [0:33:11, 0:33:31]: Those that already have come forth, we need to definitely make that a priority to um to them. Um so that way they won't keep coming back feeling like they're just being unheard. So I don't want me, uh don't take me saying I don't want us to enforce because they have already come forth, but I still want to leave this. [0:33:31, 0:33:51]: open because if we do something on a two months or three months notice for everyone else, it's to me it's just a shocking type phase to me. Um but just keep it going so that way we can get more input. If that is a possibility, is that this more that we can continue with that. But again, all [0:33:51, 0:34:11]: Waters, your subdivision, anybody else's subdivision that has come forth, yes, that is a priority for them. But I just don't want to close this and just you know say that's it until we hear from more residents. And I feel that we can even with our PIO, if we can get out more information, um, we just need to do that. [0:34:11, 0:34:31]: Um so that's why I am so trust me I'm not shutting fall waters or anyone out, that is a priority and we can do that um in trouble. Yeah, I I was with you know when I was over with uh when we got into the park we were talking about uh extended park and I had concerns with that because [0:34:31, 0:34:41]: extended parking they can get a permit to park for nine up to 90 days and they can get a uh an extension even permit on even on that. [0:34:41, 0:35:01]: I I'm trying to could you elaborate on like this for a single family home if we could get through that it's kind of interesting. Discussions around those were care for the elderly or uh someone with illness or someone that have an attorney where there's actually a doctor recognition uh doctor documentation basically says for a short period of time. [0:35:01, 0:35:21]: they need some assistance from a mother or a father that's in town or from a newer son that's in town to provide short-term assistance until some display. Those were the discussions that were raised and that's why they are in a particular case. It wasn't supposed to be how many in the discussions I think everyone was under this function. [0:35:21, 0:35:41]: That no one will give you some of these. Do you know that this is going to happen? But that's the genesis of why people ask to have those types of short-term passes to actually assist. Short-term assistance. [0:35:41, 0:36:01]: circumstances. Only thing you have is is this which to me is is is is open for anybody. And and uh I I would like us to revisit this portion because that portion in itself uh which portion is that is the last one that was extended parking number seven is the last one. [0:36:01, 0:36:01]: [2165.7, 2168.9]: I just want everybody to look at that one if they can do that. [0:36:09, 0:36:29]: Yeah. Yes, ma'am. What I want to say, please. Number seven you said? No. Seven. This is the number six committee. Seven says emergency waiver commits. You're talking about the item that's in your book, the under tab seven. Under tab seven, where it talks about different positions. [0:36:29, 0:36:49]: The provisions are more restricted parking at the bottom. That's everybody parking right. Okay, that's kind of different. I thought you were speaking from the people actually surveyed. Right, that's what I'm talking about. So I thought you were coming from this document, and that's all. This is the actual results of the surveys that were online in terms of how they [0:36:49, 0:36:55]: And although there were [0:36:55, 0:36:58]: Two public years. [0:36:59, 0:37:04]: Number eight or number seven. [0:37:07, 0:37:16]: What it is looks like this. Yeah, I think it might. [0:37:17, 0:37:37]: I'm sorry. Um so I I was I was speaking in reference to these results. Um and on here is some of the more specific questions that they responded to. [0:37:37, 0:37:42]: This speaking more to the survey, what I was speaking to was more of an action. [0:37:43, 0:38:01]: Okay, well staffs for us, for us, we have not brought back an act, I as staff, and our folks have not presented a recommendation on the results of the survey. The only thing that I presented to you were the survey results and to talk about those results. [0:38:03, 0:38:20]: That's the only thing that I'm prepared to talk to you about. Which is 16 questions. And those 16 questions actually show you what the responses were and how they're trending. And then if you said that you want to stop [0:38:20, 0:38:35]: Then we would go back and then we would draft some recommendations based on these results. Basically saying these are what your results are saying. And based on that, you know, here are some possible options for policy adoption. [0:38:37, 0:38:57]: Yes, that was already. That was what I I needed clarification, Councilman Robson, on when you made a request to leave it open. I didn't know if you were referring to the item or the survey. The survey. And that is something that we will address after we have the public hearing open and closed. We'll come back to address that. We can't do that now until you come up. [0:38:57, 0:39:17]: Um, I was gonna come back to that. Right. Okay. So what I was trying to get from you tonight, whether or not you wanted staff to come out with recommendations based on these results, if you want us to not bring any results back until a later date, or if you want us to bring back a recommendation that deals with some things now. [0:39:17, 0:39:37]: And some things later. But the only thing that I'm presenting here tonight are the actual results. Okay. I think that we can probably further do that after we hear some public comments for some reason. So we probably need to do next. Unless we got some initial comments right now. If not, then I'll go to the public comments. Yes, sir. Uh I do I looked at the survey results, and I think what [0:39:37, 0:39:57]: What we all do is there'll be a compilation of what we saw on the survey, and there'll be a compilation of what we've experienced out in the community. The survey results kind of support what we've already seen. I think that the only concern that I had is that something the record support would be to kind of exempt. [0:39:57, 0:40:17]: the weekends. I wouldn't be for that because that's when the that's when most of the problem is going on, which is people have parties and what have you, and they don't um they do not uh have the permits. And I'm I'm in support of uh allowing those gatherings as long as they have a permit and I think we had a very good [0:40:17, 0:40:37]: Example uh at the town hall, which is you would give each resident uh a couple of passes if they had folks who needed to park out there temporarily, but not to exempt the weekend, which is the which is the driving factor, because I know in my own particular neighborhood, we have this neighborhood has party. [0:40:37, 0:40:57]: And they invite it seems like half of the city and they're parking on everywhere. You can bar hardly get to the neighborhood and then uh you know, I wouldn't want that to be exempted for the weekend when that is going on. So that would be my concern. But the survey results, ninety percent of the survey results I'm out. [0:40:57, 0:41:17]: Absolutely okay with it. Okay with the no parking another twenty seven feet, that's absolutely perfect. It should be that way. And as we get wider, like we go to Monarch Village where we have thirty-four foot wide streets, we can park on both sides, emergency vehicles can get in. So the survey results confirm what we already know. And we've been out in [0:41:17, 0:41:37]: this community if you came to this office like we all did when I'm talking to the public I have heard this much stuff to hear about this parking and I'm tired of hearing about it and thus not taking any action on it. So I want this council to to make some decisions on things that we're about to do because you know [0:41:37, 0:41:57]: So uh we we this council got it 90 days ago or 90 days ago. I've been pushing it for it since 2016. But at the same time, we this has been going on in the city for three years now. So we are in the process of we have [0:41:57, 0:42:17]: to fix what has been going on. And I think like I said, you would hear what like I said, I had two neighbors that got into it over the weekend. The police were called into the situation because it got heated. Things were going back and forth on social media. You know, this almost and it ended up being a physical situation that we just don't want to [0:42:17, 0:42:37]: the city because they were frustrated with us because they had complained to the city, they had complained to the HOA, and nothing was being done and the situation escalated between the two parties in my own community. Yes sir. Go ahead. [0:42:37, 0:42:41]: I I just want to say that uh one of the things that since I've been on the council [0:42:42, 0:42:44]: That's all we've been doing is fixing. [0:42:45, 0:43:05]: Since I've been on this council and so I don't want us to ever rush into something because when we fix it, I want it to be something that we can build on rather than what we have to do now, tear down and start open. And so when I look at this because I'm looking at other actions in here that it could be produced of councilman uh I was down to set twenty seven people. [0:43:05, 0:43:25]: Looking at an action said that's the twenty-nine feet. So I I think we need to to call just kind of calling out all the information and really come up because he said ninety percent. I want everything to be a hundred percent. We all in agreement one hundred percent on whatever we move forward with. That's to give an extension on gathering more information because we [0:43:24, 0:43:44]: We need a round table on this again because when we fix it, we need to fix it in a way that we build on it. And that's been and that's been my uh that's my opinion of it because I'm looking at I'm looking at conflicting issues because each each subdivision has its own dynamics. And I would never want when we [0:43:44, 0:43:52]: We talk about weekends when people are gathering out the church, when they're gathering, we're coming into football seasons. [0:43:52, 0:44:12]: Okay, you can't you can't come to my house and watch a game and you gotta park on the street, you didn't get a permit. We have to make sure that whatever moves we make, it's free it's it's still we're looking at the citizens and not making it difficult for them to live their lives in a way with some normal take away the normalities of life to just be able to come watch a football game and be able to gather up to church for dinner. [0:44:12, 0:44:24]: get a permit. We don't want government to be too big to a point where it's disrupted the people's lives. So I want us to examine those areas because I wouldn't want to put that on Henry County PD. [0:44:25, 0:44:37]: Uh Mr. Thomas. Yeah, um I I partially agree with everything that's been said. A couple of clarifications and this relates to uh sub degree, correct? [0:44:38, 0:44:57]: So, and I was a part of the process. I attended several of the uh community meetings. So I guess my question is just listen to the comments. And I know the city did a great job in putting this out to the community. And all we can do is expect to return it back. So if we [0:44:58, 0:45:18]: go forward and put this back out again, uh what would we do different or would we just allow the time to allow for additional information to come in? And I know you just from a staff point of view that you put it out there. We did everything that we could do to try to get that response back. [0:45:18, 0:45:38]: And what we got with what we got. So just based on this and if we um decide to extend it, what would you do differently? I think the only thing we could do is put a personal dear Mr. Thomas letter in your mailbox in a envelope that says this is a very urgent matter. You know, read this letter and please know [0:45:38, 0:45:56]: to the website and do it. I mean other than addressing a personal letter to everybody, I I mean everything else we've pretty much done. But I think one of the things that we may be able to do to allow the best of both worlds to help follow water, I think the issue is overnight parking. [0:45:56, 0:46:02]: I think that's the biggest error. So I think that while we continue to gather [0:46:02, 0:46:06]: data as it relates to parking overall. [0:46:06, 0:46:26]: We address it overnight parking because I think that is what's a lot of people really having issues with, like follow more. And I think that by moving ahead and putting out the RFP for the towing summer, a towing company uh that allows for overnight vehicles when they should not be parked, you don't have to call them records. [0:46:26, 0:46:46]: Companies will always drive and they they drive well enough to know that you park there overnight. And I think addressing the overnight parking situation immediately might be uh a quick way to address some of the more immediate needs that are in following wardens because we're talking to the person following the wards. It is someone that's kind of operating. [0:46:46, 0:47:06]: business and the people coming after five and they park there and they're there all night. And then the next day they get up, they go to work, they come back after five, they park there all night. So that's just a suggestion that might help uh to just address the overnight park for a time. Well that I I would agree with that as well. [0:47:06, 0:47:26]: overnight parking. Many of you know I attended a funeral today and after repeat repass folks went to the home and had cars everywhere. So I really think that every household will eventually get caught up in this as far as having street cars [0:47:26, 0:47:46]: Cars uh on the street near that home. So I think you're correct as well as the issues over that park. All right. I would like to open up the public hearing and then we'll get back to the council comment. So public hearing, I'll open it up. It's a continuation, council for council consideration to amend the parking orders in relationship on street parking audiences. [0:47:46, 0:47:56]: citizens you've been listening to some of the uh dialogue so anybody has comments over here for the the issue of parking street anybody over here for [0:47:57, 0:48:01]: Anyone over here? Four. Yeah, four. I like to think. You want you have a comment you want to make? Yeah. [0:48:02, 0:48:03]: Please just come forward, please. [0:48:08, 0:48:10]: Yeah, to the time. [0:48:15, 0:48:18]: Uh eight people. [0:48:19, 0:48:28]: I heard about this a while back when it first report you know the attention. I thank you for what I called you because you comments and concerns in my own. [0:48:29, 0:48:46]: A lot of these houses are built so close to one another. Even if you have somebody open, maybe for dinner or breakfast or something like that, you might end up with somebody who zone in the first place because some of these houses and some of these communities are built. [0:48:47, 0:49:07]: Is it fair that someone would have to be penalized because the race on the houses are built is so close together that you accidentally parked there? Uh is it wrong for them to expect some kind of a citation or a a warning to be put in there? [0:49:07, 0:49:19]: in their um in their mural, in on their car, uh because they went over a little bit because of the way some of these houses are built. But I think I I don't think it's right. [0:49:20, 0:49:31]: that something like this will take place because when you were overlaying in your car or or your family's overlaying in your in your car, in somebody else's yard, it's just something that can't be helped. [0:49:31, 0:49:33]: A lot of the houses are kind of close. [0:49:34, 0:49:44]: And I've seen this when I got out and passed out flyers on behalf of the attention. The house looked really closed. And you can't help but depart. [0:49:45, 0:49:47]: on the street, the house only how the limiting place. [0:49:48, 0:49:50]: So are y'all gonna penalize people? [0:49:51, 0:49:53]: Because the way the house we are built. [0:49:53, 0:49:56]: And they have a little way apart. [0:49:56, 0:49:59]: Or y'all gonna allow me to part there in peace? [0:50:00, 0:50:01]: That that's the question I'm wondering. [0:50:02, 0:50:13]: Well thank you for your comments. I appreciate it. Are we are we when we do are we doing so you time folks or does that make it? No, no, no, no. Okay, okay. I just wanted to clarify it sounds like you're not in favor, but rather opposed. [0:50:14, 0:50:24]: I'm opposed to the other thing. Yeah, but I was I was looking for a favor. I was well I was looking for favorable. I kind of do but then I don't because that's a problem when when you're parking. Alright. And somebody's [0:50:25, 0:50:39]: hanging out somebody else's property. Okay. But definitely I mean I'm I'm sorry about it. No, no, thank you. I appreciate it. I'm not perfect. No problems. Anyone else on over this side four? Four? Or is it four? [0:50:39, 0:50:48]: Or for the the parking uh the the parking for the penalty of excuse me. For the penalty of parking on the street? [0:50:48, 0:51:03]: Well yeah okay so one second, I'll come in. So no else for anywhere we have a guest parking on the street where we have surveys uh you already spoke. Okay, but guests. I'll guess that is can you come to the polling back? Please give you name matters, please. [0:51:05, 0:51:25]: But the pleasure before we get to the city. Well, I mean, issue in favor of the ordinary. Well, yeah, yeah, okay for the ordinary floor. Right. Yes. Okay. My name is Elba Sherwood. I live in Falling Waters. Okay. My address is one seven four MFL Place. [0:51:25, 0:51:26]: Okay. [0:51:28, 0:51:45]: Um my neighborhood is very active and I am on the board of the uh HOA and so our HOA has uh I attended and I'll back up a little step and say I attended your [0:51:45, 0:51:59]: open house for HOAs uh or your public meeting I learned there that with your blessing that the HOA could move forward with their own [0:51:59, 0:52:19]: Whatever their rules are, move forward with the HOA rules and and continue uh con controlling the neighborhood as it's written and filed with the Secretary of State's office for our particular neighborhood. So, um [0:52:19, 0:52:24]: With that, I then began to call um [0:52:24, 0:52:37]: I wanted a towing company that worked 24 hours because our problem is after 6 p.m. I wanted a towing company that had its own towed yard. [0:52:37, 0:52:52]: so that uh we would know where the car is going or at least the homeowner would know where the car is going. I wanted a tow company that would put signs in our neighborhood that says they are the tow company and they have a phone number. [0:52:53, 0:52:55]: Posted so that the [0:52:55, 0:53:01]: homeowner that's missing their car could know where their car has gone to. [0:53:01, 0:53:20]: Um so I um found the company that met all those and I wanted customer service from that company. So I called about six. I finally got one that I agreed on the customer service and the tow owner said, I'm sorry. [0:53:21, 0:53:22]: But guess what? [0:53:23, 0:53:36]: The Georgia law will not allow a tub company to pick up a car without a police officer ticketing that car or a judge standing there saying that car can be moved. [0:53:38, 0:53:48]: Well, I felt like I was right back in the same bucket again of you know, if I can't get a police person to come it [0:53:48, 0:53:53]: since there's seven or ten at night to come move this over our ticket. [0:53:53, 0:53:57]: Because then we in my particular street my stream [0:53:57, 0:53:59]: Is in here town. [0:54:00, 0:54:06]: Another street in my neighborhood is in the city of Scott Bridge, but we're all within our HOA. [0:54:07, 0:54:11]: So, um I called the police department found out. [0:54:12, 0:54:15]: That Henry County police. [0:54:15, 0:54:20]: does not ticket cars for parking on the street because there's no directive [0:54:21, 0:54:21]: From [0:54:22, 0:54:23]: Gary County Council. [0:54:24, 0:54:26]: The tells End I can go take it a cough. [0:54:27, 0:54:31]: So then I contacted the um [0:54:32, 0:54:34]: Stock bridge police and they're not. [0:54:35, 0:54:40]: authorized to take it cars yet because this council hasn't told them they can. [0:54:41, 0:54:44]: So then I um [0:54:45, 0:54:48]: contacted the p the club company again and I said [0:54:48, 0:54:58]: Look, um, couldn't you please help our neighborhood out? These are the rules that I've followed. These are the rules our HOA has followed. [0:54:58, 0:55:02]: We own your park ticketing overnight parking. [0:55:03, 0:55:12]: If you have a yard man cleaning your yard and he's on your s uh in front of your house, we're not touching that man. If you've got a neighborhood [0:55:13, 0:55:15]: Birthday party for somebody. [0:55:15, 0:55:22]: and it's two or three hours in your home, we're not touching you either. But if you've got an overnight um [0:55:23, 0:55:24]: Um [0:55:26, 0:55:26]: Whatever. [0:55:27, 0:55:29]: uh uh any kind of overnight something. [0:55:29, 0:55:41]: Park at our swimming pool parking lot in our neighborhood and somebody in that within that neighborhood of that house, if you've got a guest from out of town [0:55:41, 0:55:51]: Your guests could park in your driveway and you could park at our parking at our twin blue parking lot. So we're offering and we are [0:55:51, 0:55:55]: um providing answers to the folks that are saying [0:55:56, 0:56:16]: We've got an overnight person and I will tell you that half the neighborhood uh has double wide driveways in our subdivision and half of our homes have a single wide driveway in our subdivision. So the uh problem really affects [0:56:16, 0:56:29]: the folks with a single wide driveway and we're suggesting within our um homeowners that they put their guests at the pool or even they park at the pool. So backed up to [0:56:29, 0:56:37]: My phone call again with um snow company that was pleasant and I said please give me some direction [0:56:38, 0:56:42]: Let's tell me some uh top company that will [0:56:43, 0:56:57]: I guess break the law and go ahead and take our time, take our business. And he did. He gave me four names of tow companies that will tow in this area without a police ticket. [0:56:58, 0:57:02]: And so our subdivision did sign a contract. [0:57:02, 0:57:10]: Saturday morning at 845 Hallelujah with a tub company that's called Wheeler. [0:57:11, 0:57:15]: Wheeler has agreed that they will um [0:57:15, 0:57:19]: Pick up the cars to their overnight parking now. [0:57:20, 0:57:21]: Our age away. [0:57:21, 0:57:22]: Both. [0:57:22, 0:57:25]: has a retired police officer on the board. [0:57:25, 0:57:45]: So the board has designated that one police retired police officer to be the contact person. So he would drive the neighborhood um a at the evening hour and then he drives the neighborhood at six o'clock on his way to work, his other job. [0:57:46, 0:57:47]: If he [0:57:47, 0:57:49]: Still has the same [0:57:49, 0:57:53]: Tag number of the same car that's been there overnight. [0:57:53, 0:57:58]: That car is gonna get a a visit from wheeler. [0:57:59, 0:58:04]: And and it's already happened in I think in the last three days. [0:58:06, 0:58:22]: Okay, thank you. Um appreciate your comments. Uh okay, so any other comments for the citizens that are here one we have have not opposed a public hearing. Okay, it's now spoken. Any further further comments from the council? [0:58:24, 0:58:44]: Because I think what's also before us is whether or not we would want to uh spend um spend the the surveys one, whether or not we would agree to do that as as all at all. And then any other specific things that we would want to give guidance to the staff in reference or think we want to fine-tune in that process. [0:58:44, 0:59:00]: So it's a couple different things here is what I understand. So uh overnight articles. Overnight particles are for one of those issues that's alright, please. Now this is this is the issue we just heard. [0:59:00, 0:59:20]: The testimony was more right. But it's not it's it's not just in her community. I'm telling you that there are citizens fed up in all of the communities around me, including my own, that want something done. This community, I spoke to a resident who I will not name, that told me [0:59:20, 0:59:40]: Me today that they've really given up on us. They've been waiting so long is that they got tired of waiting on us and they implemented some things in Fallen Waters and other communities. I don't want to go back to tell my community tonight we we we still didn't do anything because they look [0:59:40, 1:00:00]: Looking at me and saying, Mr. Alexander, you told us the last time we were gonna do something. You told us six months ago we were gonna do something. You told us uh to wait to the end, you told us it was gonna be the first of August, that we had town hall. Now you're telling me August 1st, August 1st came, we still don't have it. [1:00:00, 1:00:12]: Now you told us, you know, just give you a little bit more time and we might be able to help you and come to a problem. We got residents that are going to this level where the police have told them. [1:00:13, 1:00:17]: We can't give out tickets to find their own company. They doing our job. [1:00:18, 1:00:38]: This is our job. We are failing them, and I'm telling you, we're losing votes because folks are losing confidence in our ability to move forward with an action. We do with all due respect to uh the the the great you're making a great presentation. The problem the problem in some [1:00:38, 1:00:58]: Communities is overnight, but there are other problems in the community, and I say this and I say this again. I don't want my Super Bowl pause to cause nobody they like. And that's what this is about. I'm not talking about a church gathering and all the above. There's an appropriate way to do something. If the emergency, if you gotta get [1:00:58, 1:01:18]: A permit for your party, the emergency crew already knows their cars are going to be there before they arrive. Because when they call the dispatch, the party's registered, they're already there, everybody knows they're supposed to be there, and that's what it is. Otherwise, the crew shows up, your Super Bowl party is going to be there. [1:01:18, 1:01:38]: Going on for God's sake, maybe a funeral or whatever is going on afterward, repair afterwards. They still can't get through. But I want to show deference to the person that passed away. I want to show deference to the Super Bowl party. Yeah, I want to show deference to all of that. But these officers and the EMS will tell you everyone. [1:01:38, 1:01:58]: Every day of the week. 10 seconds or 15 seconds or a minute is a difference between someone like living and dying. I don't want my Super Bowl party to cost somebody their life for any other gathering like that. And I'm just imploring this council to move forward because if it [1:01:58, 1:02:18]: If it was just my community, if it was just fallen waters, if it was just the terrorists at Eagles Landing, if it was just the Magnolias at Eagles Landing, if it was just Winston, it's a numerous community, and they're waiting on us to answer it. Okay, got it. It's a council decision, as you well know. So it's a council decision, so the council does. [1:02:18, 1:02:38]: Yes, ma'am, go ahead. So I have a question. So this is a ordinance. And I guess I would say in reference to with Henry County, what is the with a service delivery service? What do I mean where is this at? This is an ordinance. Um so help me out with that. Are they gonna enforce this? [1:02:38, 1:02:58]: Um, I understand that anytime you dial nine one one and there's some s you know, altercation or something, of course we're gonna deal with that. But I mean, is this something that we have, I mean, with our ordinance?'Cause they're not enforcing a lot of those, I understand. So where are we with that in a sense? [1:02:58, 1:03:18]: There are a couple things. One, as we mentioned before, there are problems with our existing ordinance and that need to be fixed, and hopefully when we're at that point we'll adopt the revised ordinance that clarifies what they can and can't do. There's still the issue with whether or not Henry County PD will enforce our local ordinance. [1:03:18, 1:03:30]: as it relates to this. I'm not sure we'll until we resolve that issue with the police department in a new agreement, I'm not sure if they will be able to help. [1:03:30, 1:03:45]: But if we have an ordinance in place and we're we're we're contracted with a tolling company, they can tell whether the police are there or not. As long as they're authorized to tell under our ordinance and there's a procedure in place protecting the car owners ultimately. [1:03:45, 1:04:05]: They know where to get their car, you know, there are limitations on the fees, it won't be excessively charged, but they will have to go pick up their car somewhere else because we told them that that's if they violated the ordinance. Um so I'm you know, for the time being, until we work out the secret police department, you know, I'm I'm not relying. [1:04:05, 1:04:25]: So the president mentioned she went through and said what towing companies, but she named one that basically said they'll do it. So what you heard what she said, what do we say about that about allowing as a city, allowing people [1:04:25, 1:04:45]: Who are not authorized? We have an RP out there for tolling from the public library. [1:04:45, 1:04:59]: But if these roads are public roads, they've been dedicated to the city by ordinance we can provide for towing and that's our that's again once we get to that point that's what we expect will happen. [1:05:01, 1:05:21]: Thank you, sir. Mayor. Um, one of the things I I just don't want us to get too too far in the weeds with this. I don't want to get to talking about what folks we're losing. I don't know what area was passed under that, but I see great results on what we're trying to push forward in the city. And I've been on this council, I've been living in this stock recent too. [1:05:21, 1:05:41]: 2006. I get to see one person publishing the news that they die because they couldn't get down the street. But we do have a problem. We need to resolve the problem, the solid problem. And so the thing that we have to do is understand that I've seen many cars towed, many cars booted, not an officer around. This can be, we don't need police officers to [1:05:41, 1:05:45]: be around this as a confrontation that becomes another issue. [1:05:45, 1:05:58]: We have the right to do these things and we'll put these things in place. If you're inadvertently putting information out to the public, then that's for you to deal with. But as the city as a whole, I noticed since I've been here, we've just started this process. [1:05:59, 1:06:03]: This process has not been ongoing for the time, going on my third year here in the city council. [1:06:04, 1:06:15]: So if we're in the bringing and putting information out, then we suffer those consequences from the neighborhood. But if we're putting this information out as it comes into us, just like we're doing right now, then we go through this process. [1:06:15, 1:06:21]: We go through the process and we make sure that when we make the changes, those changes are a foundation to build on. [1:06:22, 1:06:24]: That's that that's what it is. [1:06:24, 1:06:28]: You know, we can't s sit here and start to go into other areas. Let's just [1:06:29, 1:06:31]: Focus on this, we'll be here all night. [1:06:33, 1:06:51]: If we're gonna if we're gonna let the process proceed and go further, then let's go ahead and vote on that and let's let's finish the top the the the the uh the the meeting, the public hearing and let's move on with this. We we're spending too much time on this because if you inadvertently put information out in the public, you probably just need to stop doing that. [1:06:51, 1:06:56]: Mr. Thomas Queens. Um two issues that resonate with me. [1:06:56, 1:07:16]: Um whether we close it, open it back up for additional information. Honestly, I I think the staff has done all they can do. Here she shows us that people that come to our meeting, respond to things put out, what we get is what we get. So I'm satisfied with that. [1:07:16, 1:07:36]: back to Mr. Blount's earlier um issue about I think it was something like the street side. Uh but I'm in favor of moving forward with it rather than keeping it open. But I I do want to address Mr. Blount's issue. That's the only thing that's sticking that and if you [1:07:36, 1:07:56]: could just reiterate that because I am ready to vote. But I will say now though I am ready to move forward and not extend it as well to allow other citizens to participate because we probably don't get the same thing. But I do want to make sure I understand that issue that you raised before I make my vote. [1:07:56, 1:08:16]: Well one of the things the greatest piece go ahead. And until we are able to formulate this information and then put it in document form to us on the actions that are going to be taken, then how can we inadvertently make it [1:08:16, 1:08:36]: Decision now without even knowing that. Without even just we we've got things in discussion right now pertaining to this. So we've got to look at the street side. We gotta look at what side doesn't fit all. So how does a city we formulate that? How do we formulate all of this stuff? When we talk about PD, we don't need PD right enough when homeowners can have [1:08:36, 1:08:56]: their own association, even with we're right now contracting the uh touring touring foundation. So this is what I'm talking about. So Mr. May uh Mr. Blood then what would your recommendation be to the staff to correct the issue of concern that you have? My recommendation would be that we take this formula and we have more meetings. [1:08:56, 1:09:03]: We put more information out because I don't want to I personally want to prematurely do an action that will lay another foundation. [1:09:04, 1:09:24]: That will not be successful because no matter what we do, we're going to hear some pros and we're going to hear some cons. But at this point, we need to have I think we need more than just this. Okay, let me I'm trying to wrap this up myself. So are you recommending then that we uh continue the process, let it stay open? [1:09:24, 1:09:38]: and get more input. I I I recommend we continue the process even more. And get more input. Yeah, we need to not close it, but to leave it open to get more input. I recommend we leave it open to get more information. [1:09:38, 1:09:58]: And let me just again add I think we can follow you both if that makes sense. I think we can leave it open and how do you address the most immediate issue, which is overnight parking. Okay. And I think what may help is that if we um you identify [1:09:58, 1:10:18]: The parameters of the RFP to basically say for a toll company on any of our streets within the public live way if a car is there more than thirty-six hours from these period of time or whatever period of time that they have the right to stop. Uh I think that would answer some of that. [1:10:18, 1:10:38]: While at the same time, we send out another numbers to say you may notice. City of Stockbridge has in contract. This is what's going to happen. You better weigh in now on the rest of this survey. Because this is the only thing that we've done. And that may get everyone to actually start, to actually go in and participate. [1:10:38, 1:10:58]: Well I don't know but one second. I'll I'll get to that in a second. Okay, we say thirty six hours, that's that's more than twenty that's more than a day. Total number, okay. So in all nationality it's you uh and being on the example that was given to us by the citizen, it's just over simply overnight, such as you you maybe stop it uh maybe start period starts at ten and ends [1:10:58, 1:11:18]: six in the morning. You see, so that's supposed that's eight hours in that aspect. I mean, so if we're going to go down this road and and look at that and look at extending in an RFP process and we got that going on and reconfirmed for that, but we need to have it nailed down on the hours as well. Yeah. The RFP is gonna have to be just as we just don't want to start okay. [1:11:18, 1:11:22]: One second can ask if Mr. Thomas Please grew. [1:11:22, 1:11:42]: You asked me. No, I would just ask if we decided to let it stay open to get additional uh comment, how long would we well if you're asking me I say thirty days if you decided that's it up to the council. That's what I think. I would go ahead and be more that's what I think. In that aspect if we're gonna do that, yes, uh then that's good. I just think clarification, Mr. [1:11:42, 1:11:56]: that the survey remain open and also this item be continued and then my next question is for you Camilla if this is going to be presented at the next planning commission meeting if that is the case. [1:11:57, 1:12:17]: Well, I think we probably won't present to the planning commission until it's close, which means that that meeting will have to occur before anything comes back. So if if y'all agree to keep it open of whatever time period there is or whatever that date is, we will collect the data, put it in a report, and then maybe get some recommendations based. [1:12:17, 1:12:37]: I asked that customer cut that we have to put out a notice on the public hand, so I need to know specifically when the item is going to be heard. So 30 days, y'all agree to 30 days. That's just how I thought you decide whether that's good or not. [1:12:37, 1:12:37]: Okay. [1:12:38, 1:12:58]: I during your process is 30 days adequate to get more data for what you need to do. If you are agreeable to us then we want personalized letters to everybody personally in a letter saying City Stockton's is getting ready to start tolling, so you may [1:12:58, 1:13:18]: want to go in and do the survey to find out what's happening. Uh then I think that we can do that and get those out rather quickly, probably by next week to everybody, to all the very next, and then see what if it bumps up that and then at the end of 30 days. We guys want to come on week from [1:13:18, 1:13:38]: 30 days, whatever you formulate, can we also get the recommendations with this instead of the formula that was surveyed? Yes, sir. And I'm fine with that because we can't just I don't want just the formula, I want the recommendations pertaining to the bring back the survey and results with some recommendations at that. [1:13:38, 1:13:58]: would be what you actually suggest and wouldn't you wouldn't would the council be accepting to focus in on overnight parking for uh if you're overnight and you seem like you're more than eight hours over for the the night frame time frame will we be willing to uh have that at that particular point in the company [1:13:58, 1:14:18]: That excuse our people wins a contract to go outside doing that, even though you extended this. Is that something that we wouldn't deal with simultaneously? Yeah. Mr. Mayor. And next? I'm in agreement with this because for one, everybody's not on social media. And by you sending out a notice to the resident. [1:14:18, 1:14:38]: That's informing them instead of just everybody's not on social media. My seniors are not, and they have their grandchildren that possibly live with them. All of this is more so communicating with our community. And if we're going to do this, I want us to make sure that we come from all ends. That way everyone [1:14:38, 1:14:58]: So by doing this way, I'm for that. I mean staff recommendation, you know, extending to that piece of it uh is a good idea. Just one quick question, you know. Will we begin with the HOA? Because one of the things that you know I'm always saying I'm not [1:14:58, 1:15:02]: proponent of us superseding homeowners associations. [1:15:03, 1:15:23]: when it comes to our poll enforcement, when it comes to our actions in neighborhoods. So will we is there some way we're reaching out to these home associations? Well in collaboration with that. We kinda get the information. But the ones that we do, what we can do is actually post before we rather suck. [1:15:23, 1:15:43]: uh call me ball age o's so that we can go over these results. That may extend your time, but if you want that. Just not wait. To be clear, has thirty days takes you past your work session meeting in September. September twenty fifth. September twenty fifth. [1:15:43, 1:15:53]: And if that's the case then your next meeting is October 8th. So the question is, do you really want that true 30 days or do you want the work session here? [1:15:55, 1:16:15]: I'm fine with the next work section where I just wanted if you gotta put those components in place and that's what we're gonna do, I just wanna think what is the planning commission in that range of um September uh does it that won't be a full thirty days for them. So it gave you thirty days more [1:16:15, 1:16:20]: The plan commission we're not have your sept uh September twentieth. [1:16:22, 1:16:28]: So so we can automate it and [1:16:29, 1:16:49]: Can we get those letters out next week? Okay, but you're saying that we're talking this, but I think we still need a motion for this. I'm not sure. Well we we agree to talk about a couple of different actions in overnight overnight in thirty days September now actually. [1:16:49, 1:17:09]: I mean, is there a motion that needs to be carried for this or not? No, because you're not really taking any action over the other thing, if we have the authorization to go here to put out our people for overnight party. [1:17:09, 1:17:27]: Sorry out, sorry out. So, well Yeah, but it's uh see I don't live in the bottom here for this fish ball too. I'm I'm always looking ahead and looking at what's supposed to the headlining over it. Stop where it starts total and not totally. [1:17:29, 1:17:49]: That's what the headline will be. See, I'm I'll I'm I'll try to save us from hanging our sails. Because the headline will read stop read starts towing in October. Okay? But that's what we're choosing to do right now by delaying this. Okay? We have citizens here knocking on our door that says they want action on the door. [1:17:49, 1:18:09]: Right now. Okay, even if we timed it out and we brought it back to the work session, uh the planning commission or the work session, still you gotta put out or you still got to formulate it, you gotta put it together, you gotta get the information out. Guess what that is? November by that time, right? That's what we're doing right now because. [1:18:08, 1:18:28]: You gotta talk talk this through with a timeline. That's what's happening right now. Okay? So that's what we're gonna be doing in November. So as we talk this out, we're delaying this process over right now. So basically the decision that we're making, because if we make a decision today, we're not gonna have anything going to force until maybe [1:18:28, 1:18:48]: Late September, early October. But we'll have it going to force. But we're not gonna have anything going into force. I mean mid-September. We're not gonna have anything going into force until mid-October, late no uh mid-October to late October, uh, if we don't we do not act today. [1:18:48, 1:19:08]: So that's kind of where we are with this process. I cannot support you in terms of what it is. If that's what you all choose to do, you know, that's the majority, what the majority would choose to do. But I'm telling you, if you be on this council and you talk to residents every single day and you out there, not on social media, if you talk to a [1:19:08, 1:19:28]: At the grocery store, if you're talking to them at the Chick-fil-A, if you're talking to them at the Starbucks, it doesn't matter where you talk to them about, they're tired of this issue. And I was elected in 2016 to solve problems. I walked through the city hall doors that day knowing that there was a parking problem. I'm not sure how anybody [1:19:28, 1:19:38]: else could have done the same thing. I knew that there was a parking problem because I've seen it in my neighborhood a hundred times. Yet we are two and a half years in and we're still in the same place. [1:19:39, 1:19:53]: Okay, conclude. Thank you. Uh so you get this c staff has this uh guidance from the collective council. Alright, so public hearings are been closed. You got any other comments from the council? If not, then uh we'll move on to the next subject. [1:19:53, 1:20:13]: Council consideration approved the transmittable short-term work program, capital improvement plan. Ms. Moore, please. Right. Uh mayor and council, you should have in your package a document of both the short-term work plan and the poll. But these documents are proposed to be transmitted to DC along with our plan. [1:20:13, 1:20:33]: I want you to look through, first of all, phone that deals with community facilities. I think most of you are aware of these projects. There's nothing really new on this list at the top. And then it gives you a status of where they are in the process as well as the funding sources. [1:20:33, 1:20:37]: Are there any comments about anything that I'm coming for still? [1:20:40, 1:20:45]: Yes, sir. Um there's more um [1:20:46, 1:20:47]: Under [1:20:49, 1:20:53]: Uh under a transportation [1:20:55, 1:21:05]: Under transportation completed project number T and Birch Street Street Case completed. [1:21:06, 1:21:21]: Oh we're gonna get to the start to at the front and work our own. So we got page uh two for the by table. Okay. [1:21:21, 1:21:22]: Well [1:21:22, 1:21:26]: And those are the staff and those are the funding sources. [1:21:26, 1:21:30]: No, it looks like this. [1:21:31, 1:21:34]: Um eight. [1:21:50, 1:22:10]: If there's no questions on any of those? Uh I do. I think we talked earlier about It's under land use. Under the land use, you talk about uh when I get the right now facilities and economic developments going around now. Right. Okay. [1:22:10, 1:22:16]: One of our questions to comment about community facilities, then we're going to go on down to economic development. [1:22:27, 1:22:30]: Any questions about those are good. [1:22:32, 1:22:41]: Okay, next we'll go to land use. Now it's under this category that we're um I want this uh [1:22:43, 1:23:03]: The uh no what what was the use of the uh the general funding uh established out of the associated? Um that fee actually goes down. A lot of that money actually rolls over because we actually still send them up. So this is just that doesn't mean that you're gonna get even more budgeting. I mean, this is what you budgeted last year and we got [1:23:03, 1:23:23]: So by the end, just like you're going to see the cut planning here, there are some things in here that was budgeted under this budget cycle that they got started later in the year, but we still have to report them because it was in your document last year. Does that make sense? So last year should have stayed at the beginning. This year says underway. And these are the amount of [1:23:23, 1:23:25]: resources get you allocated. [1:23:33, 1:23:53]: Any other other questions? No, I'm going to we'll language, you know, right. Right, well I just want to make sure that we we finish. And as you know, these are supposed to roll over every year. Okay. So, you know, sometimes it's at beginning, in process, underway, and then it moves off to complete. Does that make sense? Okay, so. [1:23:53, 1:24:13]: Um so if there are no other uh areas under um economic development, let's go to land use and see that as you know comments. But economic development, we have talked earlier about the uh the opportunity zones, uh designations, yes sir, and then moving forward with uh us preparing. [1:24:13, 1:24:33]: in our discussion earlier we said uh we had waited so long that the data now was almost old and we had not moved forward with opportunities on tax credits or empowerment zones so enabling our employers to uh issue thirty four hundred dollars, I think it is tax credits to each new job. [1:24:33, 1:24:53]: They created, which is a great marketing tool, economic development driver tool. So what is it that we need to do under this process in order to drive that forward? Well what we're telling the state is that we are between 217 and 220, that we're going to get some assistance from [1:24:53, 1:25:13]: from the soldier to actually deal with the census data, which is coming out with 2020 new numbers, to actually look in the footprint of City Side Ridge and then draw those areas that are eligible to receive those credits and then make applications based on those designations that they come up with. [1:25:13, 1:25:14]: Yeah. [1:25:14, 1:25:34]: So you need some funding from us in order to do that. Well we have we have twenty five thousand. Is that gonna do is that I'm saying is that I know you talking about maybe we need a little bit more than that. Right. I think once we get the uh the NL development person on board and then we put this out for an R and P then I think whatever that R and P comes in as then we probably [1:25:34, 1:25:37]: need to make some adjustments actually stuff. [1:25:42, 1:26:02]: And uh I guess the next one would be uh create we I see it says ongoing, but I'm not exactly sure what we're doing on number twelve, which is creating a secret citywide marketing plan. Uh we're doing the rebranding, but on top of that, uh we have talked about maybe discussing having uh [1:26:02, 1:26:22]: retaining some of our own funds uh to be able to do some C V V to be able to do our own marketing. Is that uh update on that what is is there some action we need to take? Right, well we just put in a figure that we had last year. Last year I think when we submitted this, I think Kieran was just putting out the R S and P [1:26:22, 1:26:42]: And so this is the amount of money that um I think they've come close to using at this point. So we put the 75, I think they extended, I think you say six or sixty-five. Uh and the other thing that we talked about when we bring back during uh passion goes to the budget process uh was creating our own CDD. And I think here is my lining up. [1:26:42, 1:26:53]: have those organizations from Adiala and other places to come in and present the facts on how we get that started and how we make that happen. [1:26:53, 1:26:55]: I'm gonna go land. [1:26:56, 1:27:16]: Well, I because I I know we put other funds into the rearranging process. So I'm just trying to figure out where we are with with that versus what we're putting in there. Well, this says it always says necessarily funding. So let me just say that. Okay. Um with these projects initially. [1:27:16, 1:27:36]: Came up, you had a dollar left. And so what the state asks you to do is next year tell us how far you've gotten it off. So that's why some would say beginning, some say underway, some says in progress, and then it goes to complete. So these numbers are not necessarily new funding numbers. [1:27:36, 1:27:56]: If you go back and look at last year, you see many of these, you're going to see the same numbers from last year for most of these. It's just that, like on the wells, last year we might have said out the bid, this year we're saying they've been identified one grill. So this is just a progress report on how we move through. But then if you identify [1:27:56, 1:28:13]: new areas that you want to be added to this, then we can add those, and then it starts off with the new beginning. And then once it becomes a part of this, then we will continue that until it rolls off into complete, or you just decide to take it off altogether because it's not well done anymore. [1:28:14, 1:28:17]: So that is based on what you funded last year. [1:28:21, 1:28:41]: And the land use number. Okay, the E L CI implementation architecture form obtained. I just want to make a note of that front. It's DSW. Those are the ones that have done your renderings that we [1:28:41, 1:28:53]: brought to you are the off the arch posters there, the sign and the amphitheater. And so they were obtained to do all your architecture work on your project. So they're your city architect. [1:28:56, 1:29:16]: Now there's some other things that we thought about that you've done before that you may want to add on a lot on land use is whether or not you want to pursue your park plan designations, and that is to look at across the city whether or not you want various parks located in different parts. [1:29:16, 1:29:36]: Of town, south, west, east, north, whatever you think there may be a need for any type of passive part, active part, pocket part, but just to basically say that we want to pursue from a land use perspective as we move out, that we would like to look [1:29:35, 1:29:55]: At park plans and park designations. That's one item. Another one is S. Now, under this particular designation, so the public can understand, and we all understand. Now these parks can go in any area of the city if we outlined that correctly. That's correct. There's been much talk. [1:29:55, 1:30:15]: Talk about a potential park for the South Stockbridge area or the Eagles Landing area. Could a potential park for that area be covered under this? If it was so chosen under by the citizens? That's correct. This is for any park in which Mary Council feels there need to be a park in the various communities. [1:30:15, 1:30:35]: That just means from a land use perspective that you've given us the reasons to go and try to identify calls that they fit, right? And go through that process of identifying those cultures and locations for some type of park. And again, we don't have to always do full parts. You got passive, you got active, you got pocket parts. [1:30:35, 1:30:55]: You know, just some type of designation that says this is what you want to do. So as we move through this process, then those places can be identified. So how much money would you still uh do we need to uh allocate was there a specific recommendation on the amount of dollars that we might be able to set aside for this, or is that still well again we do [1:30:55, 1:31:15]: You put we got from 2018 to 2022, 2020. So in any of those funding years, what you're telling me, sis, is that you're going to do this. Okay. So if you want to put a dollar out, it's totally up to you to decide. It's just that somewhere within that five-year period, you know, we need to allocate some. [1:31:15, 1:31:35]: But this is not as expensive as a comp plan and we just did our comp plan for 97,000. So it should be relatively a lot less because you just identify areas that you know you want to develop park in. So I I I want to leave that open because we're about to embark upon this flash five process process. So [1:31:35, 1:31:55]: So there will be project projects that will come up or that are desired in the community that we need to have some type of design or indicator because this is our plan, right? So I mean is there room for stuff as as we have indicated here that we want to have for those potential splash projects we don't have to be uh [1:31:55, 1:32:15]: We don't have to nail down the exact location or something like that. We just try to nail down placeholder for them so uh these potential projects could possibly be brought forward under splass five. I think under splash five though we kind of stretched that out. We'll get to that in a moment. Uh but it does not mean that once you get a [1:32:15, 1:32:35]: the grant administrator all types of park grants out there, but there can be other s resources. What I'm saying is that if that is an item that you want to add on the land use, you can put a dollar map just between then and twenty twenty, you're gonna have to decide for sure where that funding source is going to be. [1:32:35, 1:32:51]: I mean you can put slots, you can put general, and you can put grants, but during that period of time we might have to find those revenues to do whatever it is you want us to do as relates to costs. And also the right column because we were talking about the uh [1:32:51, 1:33:11]: The expressway exit and potential beautifications uh along those exit that fall up under this category or those the one that I have is that uh we have adopted several corridor plans because highway one hundred thirty eight and I think you may remember but I actually went to the file that apparently that you adopted [1:33:11, 1:33:31]: number of overlay districts that we need to establish and then there are some um there are already some overlay districts and there's some corridors we adopted that every county corridors and so there are questions in terms of if you choose to base on that designation whether or not you want to [1:33:31, 1:33:51]: deal with any monies that address those corridors in terms of how you want them to look in terms of any duplication. Yeah I think uh you know uh I think we put thirty thousand dollars uh in the twenty seventeen budget just specifically for uh expressway exits and I think this council [1:33:51, 1:34:11]: And we had our talks at the retreat. And moreover, we decided that uh at that time the discussions surrounded around enhancing these and adding a little more money each year to those corridors. We're doing a great job of maintaining such like Hudson Bridge with that beautiful. [1:34:11, 1:34:25]: median that's in the middle. Think about how much that could be enhanced by adding some shrubbery or some trees through there. That type of beautification project that would be in here as well or is that something else? [1:34:25, 1:34:45]: Well again these are items and I'm just throwing these out because they will cost for you guys to consider. So I'm just mentioning those and and you don't have to put a lot of dollar mount for anything out. But when you get to that and then you decide that you're gonna do it, then you have to get some actual cost. Um apparently you guys in the trail stone. [1:34:45, 1:34:50]: Right, some time. Okay. And that was one part of the thing. [1:34:50, 1:35:10]: Is that you know during the comprehensive plan update, you tried to bring in all of these plans that you had, and one of them was your trail. So my question to you is: you have that trail plan done. Is it your desire at what point in time do you want us to start implementing the trail? No. Because it came with a set of recommendations. [1:35:10, 1:35:30]: Uh so you got studies that let us and you got studies that you can do something too, and use the opportunity to just put these in your plans and say between now and the next five years you're gonna do something with your training. So let me ask you this now. Uh you're presenting us today for approval. When's the suspensive [1:35:29, 1:35:49]: This has got to be submitted to you. We're gonna do it in a what's that date we said after um holiday next week? Yes. Right. So all this thing we're talking about the trail plan, anything potential for land use for a passive park possibly, all that has to be done now and added to this when we transmit it in a few days or next week. We got it in there. That's right. Okay. That's why that's why [1:35:49, 1:36:00]: I'm I'm just going to map. Right, so otherwise we really if we have some other things we want to add to this, we really can't approve it's just right now. Can we improve as it is right now and then you can wait till next year. [1:36:00, 1:36:20]: No, I don't know. I don't think that's I don't think that's what the council would want to do, but that's why I want to find out about the time frame. So Okay, so I mean this is what you can do. You can have you can actually put the activity and you can put a nominal dollar in it. So that as we get towards this, then you can use an actual cost. But I just wanna bring out your trail study because [1:36:20, 1:36:40]: When we do the comp plan, it requires us to bring all these studies, the L CI, your trail plan, and all these things within that plan that we said that we're going to implement. And so that's the reason why I brought the question, because you actually paid for a trail study. And at some point you if you pay for it, you're supposed to do something different. Well good John's [1:36:40, 1:37:00]: One one of the things, I mean we we when we came aboard uh in Sony sixteen, there were some things that was already identified, that was already approved funding. When we talked about and Casper Alexander mentioned the thirty thousand dollars, but yet we've yet to track that thirty thousand dollars and see what it was done with it. So I don't want to continue proven amounts. [1:37:00, 1:37:05]: we're not even tracking to see, okay, okay, it was it was spent on this we're done. [1:37:06, 1:37:15]: That's what I wanna see. I don't wanna say we we approve this trail plan, we approve this park, we'll approve it and we can't track the funds being allocated to those areas. [1:37:15, 1:37:35]: We're just being another week the following year saying the same thing again. So I I want to systematically be able to do that before we start talking about allocating money to certain projects. How do we track those dollars that we've allocated to those different projects to make sure they get uh I'm still trying to track down the trail point [1:37:35, 1:37:55]: I think did y'all find a fine one? I think that's a good thing. Okay. Okay. So within there there's a list of recommendations to supply. So what I would suggest, just like the front plant, whatever that I don't know what that money was like. I guess that was for beautification, that was a good thing. It was for beautification and expressway maintenance. All you need to do is drive down Hudson Bridge Road. [1:37:55, 1:38:15]: So you'll see that we have crews working to take care of it and it looks magnificent right now. That's where the money went to. If you look along a lot of the corridors, if you look along Rockport, that money was put into the pot so that we could maintain our expressway excess and our right-of-way grass cutting uh with enhanced um you know [1:38:15, 1:38:35]: the areas uh around the exit and the uh uh you know the highway 138 area as well. So we put those monies in there because we did not uh want to we weren't satisfied with the appearance of our city because we were tasked with improving the appearance of our city uh and this kind [1:38:35, 1:38:55]: Council approved the master trail plan. We approved it. The previous council did not. We came in, we approved it because we wanted to see that done. We enjoyed the Reeve's Creek Trail and what it was supposed to implement. It was great to see us go ahead and move forward with extended. [1:38:55, 1:39:15]: And the Reed's Creek Trail down Cliffman Road over to Walt Stevens Road so we can connect with the Clayton County Trail at Lake Spire. That's the grand plan of the entire region, which is to connect these trails so that you can take off-work road trails and bike throughout the [1:39:15, 1:39:35]: entire area connecting to the Atlanta belt line. What we can do is because what I did see on I know that we have already spent money on the trails and that has not been captured, I don't think, in the short term work program. So what we can do is whatever dollars we've already allocated on the trail [1:39:35, 1:39:43]: It's just as an item you can go ahead and put those numbers because we have spent money to improve those treatments. Right? [1:39:45, 1:40:05]: How did you say we state basis? Oh literally. Oh, really? Oh, any of our trails. Yes. But but didn't that come but that was coming from a different city than what we're talking about here. That came from a different funding base. Yes, we're talking about that that [1:40:04, 1:40:20]: Yeah, so we're talking about a different funding basis. We're talking about they came out of the general fund towards these uh projects we had previously uh agreed to do. Well actually they're everything. And that probably shouldn't have been reported. Did they come out of splash three? [1:40:21, 1:40:41]: I have to look back. Okay, it's in whatever comes out of SPOSS is supposed to be reported. That's what I'm saying. Um, you got some projects on here that started in 215 and 216 that were actually SWAS dollars. So this picks up your general funds, your SWATs, your transportation grants, your CPG, you know. [1:40:41, 1:41:01]: You know, any cost of five million dollar is going to be reflected by these categories. So all I'm saying is that if we want to continue to have reach the the park trail on here, we need to show this and if they came out as floss funds, we need to capture that and then hold that as a pattern at some point in time if we want to continue to do that. [1:41:00, 1:41:20]: we've already identified and you see that I mean wouldn't that automatic? Because I I keep saying we keep every time new people come we just do something different. And I know that how do we even with us we're taking all of these notes and these minutes, are we going back to [1:41:20, 1:41:40]: Look at all of this stuff because if not, we just spending money to me. It just you just constantly just spending money. But this is supposed to be an update for five years. So each year is supposed to show your progression. What I'm saying is that out of class funds, we have already done work on the trail. That just needs to be [1:41:40, 1:42:00]: Captured in this report. So it is already an activity that's listed. So at some point in time, if you want to do additional things on the trailer, then that dollar amount will change as the year activity in terms of doing any something change. That's all. [1:42:00, 1:42:20]: the original trail constructing uh the park, the uh the uh trail here, the Clifford Road, all of those those were funds that were brought brought in by GDI, but the city had to expand funds in order to complete those projects. So I guess my question now would be it's kind of based on the previous question, we put you know we've got a capsule [1:42:20, 1:42:40]: We need to capture anything on Lee Street Trail last year to put on here, stop stuff, whatever it may be, and want to expand on the potential uh trail system that was a couple years ago and look at any type of park designation or whatnot. Don't and I think it was one of the categories, one of the things we kind of kicked around here. [1:42:40, 1:42:56]: You had the corridors. Okay. And and then the only reason why I'm bringing them at yesterday is today we talked about the problem and there was a question raised about your trade. Right. Well see the thing of this is that this has to be approved by us. [1:42:56, 1:43:16]: before you send it. So if we're talking about wanting to add these things in part of that, I don't know if we can also approve it tonight, but up to be hopefully kind of thick we did. It's up to you what I would recommend there. And this is just a suggestion, you just adopt it as it is. But again, I was asked to bring this to your attention. So that's all we're doing. So you can choose to [1:43:16, 1:43:36]: Just take note of these and deal with the next year and just adopt this as it is or you can take one of these items 16, 17, 18 numbers change, of trail implementation, those funds is already there, so that's just a matter of you've already approved that because the money has already been spent. [1:43:36, 1:43:42]: You would have to decide on your cart plant and your corridor. So those are things you can capture. [1:43:42, 1:44:02]: Yeah. When once you call it as that I present certain things, I I just bring the information. So I'm going to bring you the information. That's all we're doing. Right. But what you were saying is basically we do this the same way we would be able to do anything else. And we wanted to add the corridor plan or the park plan, we just amend this, right? And add those two. [1:44:02, 1:44:22]: to it and pass it tonight in order to do uh the things that we're doing right now. Don't we want a park in the city in the next or some parks in the city, parking parts, whatever they may be within the next five years? We do, I'm pretty sure we do. So we set aside, amend this to add to it, uh [1:44:22, 1:44:42]: the on the plan. I'm I'm not sure exactly how it did get in the plan'cause we did have a uh South Stop require uh designated in the retreat report from twenty sixteen. So I'm not sure why we have ha it would never add it to this uh particular budget. But you know, all it would take is an amendment [1:44:42, 1:45:02]: If we wanted to make any additional changes, we can make an amendment to rip uh to these changes right now in order to bring that forward. Is that correct, sir? Mr. Wee? Mr. Wee? Is that correct? If we needed to move this forward or we wanted to add some things to it, we would just need to amend this and just [1:45:02, 1:45:04]: That's all that's all. [1:45:05, 1:45:25]: Well I I would personally want to uh make the well what do you think well was it the thing of it is that I uh we a to to approve anything we need council consensus anyway, but if you guys suggest a recommendation. This is just the state is just saying this is your wish case. Right. Okay. [1:45:25, 1:45:45]: Is going to be in our files an activity that you choose to do within a five-year period. Okay. Okay. Since you chose it as an activity in the next five years, at some point in time, in that five years, you're going to fund it. So you might not fund it in the next thing, you might not fund it. [1:45:45, 1:45:48]: It might not be funded until twenty. [1:45:49, 1:46:09]: But what you're telling the state is this is an activity for the next five years that see the stock bridge plans to touch or plan to do. It's not in stone, they don't penalize you because you take something off and you decided you didn't want to do it. It is just your wish list to the state to give the state some idea in terms of what stock bridge plans. [1:46:09, 1:46:29]: In terms of a short-term work plan and their CIAP for the next five years. Because when you do one next year, it's from nineteen to twenty-one. So it moves every year, and most of your projects are going to slide with that five year period until they get to the complete part and then they go off. Mrs. Knight, have you got any ideas about it? [1:46:29, 1:46:49]: Yeah, we and that's true. Then every year you're going to update the short-term work program. And then there are other funding sources that are potentially identified. One being Splash 5 was obviously proposed Splash 5 for next year, and the board will pass that. Obviously that will provide another funding source for these types of activities for these. [1:46:49, 1:47:09]: types of projects and so you you continue to evaluate because some things may change. We may not prioritize certain projects that are on the list currently. You may reprioritize in coming years and you identify funding sources for those um on vote. [1:47:09, 1:47:11]: This is just [1:47:13, 1:47:33]: We're wasting a lot of time on this because none of this is ever going to happen until we identify at that time and then identify the funding source for it at that time. So that these numbers are just they're just placeholders. That's correct. They're not they're not just active numbers. So we make the wish list and we put the placeholders there and we just move [1:47:33, 1:47:53]: And really you should be able to disagree your lecture, you know, because these are the times for the numbers learning something. Well well based on what she said, and I agree with Mrs. Black, and that and you are that these are [1:47:53, 1:48:13]: this placeholder. This is our wish list. I I suggest that we take the recommendation that the council that we make that the assistant city manager has made and this project is and the staff has made and then um I would suggest that we amend it to add uh parks throughout the city and [1:48:13, 1:48:33]: Then the triple holders, so we that is captured and there is a placeholder for it. If we don't do it, then you know obviously there's no penalty, correct? He just says that there's no penalty. We're just indicating what we want to do. Any further discussion? [1:48:33, 1:48:50]: Okay, so let me go through the rest and you can come back to that one. Okay, alright. Okay, uh now. So I just gotta withdraw the second business. [1:48:51, 1:48:52]: [6532.4, 6552.4]: So I we got the transportation. I know what is it? Transportation it uh portion that you had yesterday. Uh uh completed process. Okay, so here's the transportation. Anybody have any comments? Um as you know, number seventeen was at three million dollars and was one to eight [1:49:12, 1:49:16]: one place I think it was for um [1:49:17, 1:49:37]: Rock quarry, and everybody took their money out, then it went someplace else and sold what we just decided to do, roadway construction, project engineering roadway acquisition. So whenever we tie that down to what the project is going to be, that's how it's listed in this without a specific destination. So is this where we can [1:49:36, 1:49:50]: have a wish list for what uh sidewalk road we would like to see sidewalks. But this is kind of different. I think a sidewalk repair seven eighteen is where we actually have our list for sidewalks. [1:49:51, 1:49:59]: And so cities read the city sidewalks and communities. Right. So uh 17 deals with the actual creation of roads. [1:49:59, 1:50:04]: 18 actually deals with sidewalls, repair, and reconstruction. [1:50:05, 1:50:11]: Okay, so there's some areas that we I think Daisy keeps an ongoing list. Do we have flip and roll anywhere? [1:50:13, 1:50:33]: Pasidewalks. I know it's county, but is that something that we can do it um an agreement or something? We could with the county coordination with them because they have a splash project that's been over there since twenty fourteen, part of its county, part of its city, where we do like an inter [1:50:33, 1:50:53]: government on agreement with them that we could kind of patch the two together to get to law students where uh where we are. So is it that that that's what was discussed before by city manager. If there was some agreement that came in the counter proportion. [1:50:53, 1:51:05]: costs based on what's Henry County and what's stock for age that might be more advisable. I would caution of course when we have county roads such as this taking on the responsibility of those county roads. [1:51:05, 1:51:25]: That's all I want to say. Yeah, real quick and uh it's almost a similar situation we had with Ty Street when the county went from uh Red Oak Road to Banks Road, that was it for them. And from uh Banks Road down was the city. But we did do some other works in there identifying the uh [1:51:25, 1:51:40]: uh uh you know the safety place to the trail to the trail and putn's move to the street. So we did come back after they'd done that road to do some other things to go on up and we I think we already had something planned for the road rest of the road going up past uh Smith Barnes Elementary. [1:51:41, 1:52:01]: As far as you sitting on the ATL board, is there anything in here that we need to designate for transit? Uh or any anything that we need to indicate that we're moving forward or any placeholder that we can put in there for clarification. I don't sit on the ATL board. [1:52:01, 1:52:21]: for district nine, distance ten people about those and errors that have already been identified to move forward to the next step. But in the intergovernmental retreat we had here at Stock Ridge a couple days ago, it was overwhelmingly that the individuals in their brilliance field that we need to accelerate the transportation projects that are already on board. [1:52:21, 1:52:41]: And part of that and the two roads that that uh that were identified that involve us directly is Rock Roy Road and Jodico Road. Okay. And they're so the intent is that from that intergovernmental retreat that uh the uh that we would go forward uh with all week [1:52:41, 1:53:01]: can or what we can to for each one of the the counties and cities, small cities, to try to work through the funding process to and with a state to try to get things going on those two on several different roads, but those two those were two roads that how they dealt with stop it. Okay. In terms of ATM [1:53:01, 1:53:21]: once once again that that um uh there's the the two mayors have been selected to be part of the process along with other elected officials so I so we have to work through those those individuals uh in a sense uh on that aspect as a select to be folks for the ATL Transit Board itself. Right. I I I understand that what I'm saying to you is that as the [1:53:21, 1:53:31]: Right. We need something to end some kind of state. Okay, mass transit sales. Okay, so what kind of skills do you have? [1:53:31, 1:53:51]: Ms. Moore, what do you recommend that we put in here as a placeholder for the mass transit component? Is there something that can be uh well because they're just starting up, I think by the time we get to this next year we'll have a real better deal in two nineteen or reason. I think I know in the comp plan you [1:53:51, 1:54:00]: talk about the whole transition. Uh but I think next year when visitors will be able to we'll know where they're going. Okay. [1:54:01, 1:54:05]: Okay. Any of the issues under transportation? No. [1:54:05, 1:54:10]: Okay, then the last page is completed projects. [1:54:11, 1:54:28]: And I think that was I I just wanted to make a note, uh number ten, uh Birch Street, Street Street completed. Um I just wanted to make a note of what it was. Oh yeah, I'll make it what it is. I think we I think we asked basis that we can get something. [1:54:29, 1:54:49]: I have no idea what's awesome. I mean I mean we actually saw one point five billion and so we were actually trying to see what happened on that screen. I mean this is actually what was well just the wish list that never got done completed. [1:54:49, 1:54:53]: What if not a million dollars or well? [1:54:54, 1:55:14]: I think they don't decide walks. Yeah. So do you tell the side? No, they put that real type down. I think that was the sidewalk because all of that was it and then [1:55:14, 1:55:34]: they put the planners and all of that because I don't think that was doing that. I think I know it proceeded dacious because we were trying to figure out what we did is that we carried over what Linda had reported to you guys before and I think it was C and Dacious as I think that's a typo. I don't think that was in L D C and if you don't see it listed there because what a band approved [1:55:34, 1:55:53]: sidewalks and built the um thing that goes back there to businesses over there. They built the street lighting over there. And if they came out of Jimmy [1:55:54, 1:56:14]: It wasn't M. L. King at the time, it was if if if that's what it was, uh it was the uh Bear Street Streetscape, which was probably in thirteen or fourteen or fifteen or something. Well it has to be South Bear Street sidewalk on the other. [1:56:14, 1:56:34]: But there's two phases to Bear Street Catalog. It was phase one and phase two. That's correct. Now if you go back to Berk Street, unless down by the tag office and the library or something was uh adapt. I I I don't know. And I think they said the off preceding him and just carry over. [1:56:34, 1:56:50]: What so it must be a newspaper. But were those sidewalks,'cause they look fairly fresh even over that one. Anybody take off that library? Mm-hmm. [1:56:51, 1:57:11]: Those are there before we take it. Or again, that is something if it's in our minutes, is that something that we can go back to the previous minutes to see what the previous council did? Because we're taking the minutes and then it should be in our and I think this was another point Linda had that proceeded any of us. [1:57:11, 1:57:31]: So we just carried over because it was listed at ECA. Yeah. But we're trying to do some research on the street. See I think that needs to take place because we keep saying, you know, which street and I think if we're having the minutes and it's a pup part of public the the records that has been taken, we need to be able to coordinate, you know, with the clerk's office to what's going on. [1:57:31, 1:57:51]: Okay. Because during my first 10 year old. Yeah. Yeah, because I mean since general calls and TE, we don't get that in a TE grant. So that means that most of that would happen in the general. [1:57:51, 1:58:11]: But I am familiar with the uh Bear Street Street Scale one and two. Okay. Well it's gonna be a combination of that and the uh funding from the finance program. So I have a question box that I asked. Go figure that out, right? Go buy. [1:58:11, 1:58:31]: Where that money came from. Uh page five, if you guys are familiar with this, uh page five and six is your CIP that we plan to submit to DCA. And again, these are just projections, and some of these we really won't have hard numbers until you know some of this stuff coming in. But I want you [1:58:31, 1:58:38]: Yeah, so look at page five, the seeing the proposed expenditures for planning years and all of those items. [1:58:39, 1:58:40]: Yeah. [1:58:43, 1:58:48]: And then okay, six is the final source. [1:59:10, 1:59:13]: Everybody okay? Yep. Okay, so with that we uh [1:59:14, 1:59:19]: Therefore, if I may. And um in your books is this report ready? [1:59:20, 1:59:25]: Is the current project so to say? Right. It's in there. [1:59:26, 1:59:46]: And update it every more to me. Okay. So they changed the back of that. So I had no on this. Okay. So open up to a public hearing. Any comments uh I'll say for what was presented on this side to citizens before on this [1:59:46, 2:00:06]: This side. Anybody against any comments against what was presented on this side? Anybody on this side? No comments will serve public here and it's closed. Now we're the motion. Now we need wait a minute. Right, exactly. The motion needs to be to adopt this with the mandate. [2:00:06, 2:00:20]: aspects of the land use to include park plan and the trail implementation with figures and to clarify under completed projects where they're$1.5 million off. [2:00:20, 2:00:40]: I made the motion to adopt the staff uh that was out just outlined to the council. The staff report that was just uh made the council. What dealt with what dealt with the uh approving the the proposed uh the work plan uh the the source [2:00:40, 2:01:00]: work short term work plan along with an amended line is dealing with the land use a public adding a park uh plan to that as well as the trail information and then also to review and look at the the completed projects number ten of the first rescate and make sure you got confirmation confirmed that as well. Ms. Mayor [2:01:00, 2:01:20]: dollar amount going with the land use, trail plan and park. Let's say twenty-five thousand each, or twenty each or fifteen each, and see if we decide what company. Twenty-five thousand. Well twenty-five thousand place over we can always change it for each of those. [2:01:20, 2:01:40]: No, it's not a budget, it's just a it's a placeholder. You got it? Is that that really? You got it? Any further is there a second first of all? Okay. Okay, all right. And and obviously Alexander has the most ranking. Alright, it's not called. [2:01:40, 2:01:52]: Clarify. Okay. Any further discussion? Not all in favor of the motion, please contact. There you go. All right, thank you very much. Now, um public hearing once again. [2:01:53, 2:01:55]: So I think the question is. [2:01:55, 2:02:15]: The next section is going to be a full lengthy. Yeah, you can't think of that very much. Alright. Alright, in for discussion. [2:02:15, 2:02:29]: Which M L B says MLB says? Okay, good. Six fifteen. Six fifteen is around. We could be six minutes. We probably [2:02:30, 2:02:40]: How much of the water? Water is wet. [2:03:10, 2:03:15]: So I was asking a question about uh [2:03:16, 2:03:20]: Well my head is a good. [2:03:30, 2:03:40]: [7430.0, 7445.0]: I personally want to make sure you know I mean you have an extra light once right. [2:04:10, 2:04:25]: And you think you can get your thing. [2:04:40, 2:04:44]: And see if I don't know how you [2:04:47, 2:04:54]: Some push up here. [2:04:55, 2:05:05]: [7508.0, 7520.0]: Oh no, you speak with the female trouble in the truth. Oh, yeah. You got the same. [2:05:24, 2:05:29]: Yeah, we're it took one. [2:05:40, 2:05:55]: [7575.5, 7582.8]: What are you doing, Jessica? Oh getting out of the stuff. [2:06:23, 2:06:26]: [7586.3, 7598.3]: She wants to have a meetup. We've already made the channel here. [2:07:03, 2:07:04]: Okay. [2:07:05, 2:07:09]: Okay, because that is what we chose. That is all. [2:07:40, 2:07:43]: Yeah, yeah. [2:07:43, 2:08:03]: I think um maybe uh Vanessa do in she's in the no which one uh church. [2:08:03, 2:08:23]: Well I did work at Posty Price Wells and uh we didn't find the center. Yeah, yeah, pretty hard. I was there with Crown Jones now, there was um [2:08:23, 2:08:39]: I've been uh probably the most probably for the shoulders. Yeah, he might he might be uh being a fan of one was a longest. [2:08:55, 2:09:15]: I'm sorry about a dance. [2:09:15, 2:09:35]: She's not me in my trades. She didn't. Well colour, we think of the avatar this week right here. [2:09:35, 2:09:43]: I didn't mean it when you see the term. [2:09:45, 2:10:05]: And I would say I was out. [2:10:05, 2:10:10]: So you were playing. [2:10:20, 2:10:25]: I say. [2:10:44, 2:10:51]: Oh, how they call it sort of getting this. [2:10:55, 2:11:05]: I'm pretty called water. So now you think the opposite. [2:11:25, 2:11:35]: [7915.6, 7930.0]: I mean man, I had different lady talking about they're about to get into a fight out there. They called and got a lady called the time. [2:12:50, 2:13:00]: I see white there. [2:13:00, 2:13:02]: [7985.0, 7985.8]: Um [2:13:06, 2:13:08]: So is the call of third? [2:13:10, 2:13:14]: Actually, no matter what we want to say now, but what the bottom is. [2:13:15, 2:13:17]: That's the case. [2:13:17, 2:13:19]: I'm the shape. [2:13:20, 2:13:40]: I'd like to bring us out of our research. Thank you very much. And uh we got a suggestion, I suggest brought to me as my attention, and maybe if the council you can allow this to happen, is that uh we have guests here from Jordan Power uh to give us any asking questions on any issues, yet deal with items, deal with cameras and deal with items on the cassette. [2:13:39, 2:13:59]: agenda. So if if you don't mind, I'd like to obtain a motion to go straight to the agenda to the Senate agenda, discuss that, and see if there's anything you may have with join the final reference to cameras issues. If so, great we can ask those questions. If not, then we'll move on and go back back on step with the comprehensive plan. So [2:13:59, 2:14:19]: Oh, okay. So any questions? All in favor, please indicate. Okay. So what would you say? Okay. Okay. Okay. So what we do is that the consent agenda is approved the consent agenda items below, to approve George Power surveillance cameras from Gardner Park, Memorial Park,$41,645.52 parks, class commerce center, nine thousand. [2:14:19, 2:14:39]: $133.32. Why would we reclaim the animation? Reclaim the mission facility.$24,263. Maintenance facility$12,192.84. Total amount is$87,234. Dentists are two approved site engineers. [2:14:39, 2:14:59]: To install access rolls from test well site number two, amount of$31,950 loss funding. No three to move forward with the RFP for the management services for the amphitheater. No four to move forward with the RFI request for information for a contract part-time grant provider. And also to note five to approve the public works. [2:14:59, 2:15:08]: policy. Okay, that's what we became on the consent agenda. So it's my assumption that uh consent agenda that um I need motion to accept that. [2:15:09, 2:15:25]: So we have any questions at all in reference to uh the surveillance cameras for uh Georgia Power here in this time? Yeah. Okay, you okay please Sir Few I'll come? [2:15:26, 2:15:35]: I know you can somewhere now. I think you can put it together with it. Yeah. If they ask me something. Oh okay. Um [2:15:36, 2:15:56]: Because this is a considered agenda of funds that we'll be for for our part, right? What residual are we looking at to continue to pay joint power for these services? Okay, so as a governmental entity is a one month term. So what you all have the ability to do is to carry that from month to month. So we all [2:15:56, 2:16:16]: offered as a service very similar to what we do with our outdoor lighting. So the outdoor lighting, you have a tariff rate that comes from the Public Service Commission with display in respect to the actual cameras. It's unregulated, meaning that it's not regulated by the Public Service Commission, but we still give it to you the exact same way as on a month-to-month basis. [2:16:16, 2:16:36]: And what that means for the city is in times of financial hardship it gives you the ability to disconnect cameras, cut them on, cut them off, have you. So that's the first one. Yeah, but that's only telling us that it's not contractual for long term. Right. But I'm saying as the [2:16:36, 2:16:39]: Let me just say, if I get direct TV, right. [2:16:40, 2:17:00]: Then it's month to month. I can just put tell they cut it off at any time. But if I get the long but if I'm using that month to month, what imp what cost am I incurring with that with with that? Okay. So yeah, so if we had that broken out, I think it was actually presented actually. Yeah. [2:17:02, 2:17:04]: [8243.6, 8248.7]: Yeah. [2:17:29, 2:17:31]: No, not even. [2:17:45, 2:17:47]: [8268.5, 8288.5]: Yeah, that's good. This all I think we get we got everything captured in there. I appreciate it. The job at Reed Street Trail. That's one part of the left out the left out monument part at uh Rockmore and Eagles Landing. So I guess maybe we could get with Mr. Aaron maybe kind of get uh [2:18:08, 2:18:28]: A quota do we need to phone me? No, no, that's just his suggestion. We haven't talked up as we haven't talked about that as as a council as what is identity. Or you're bringing back an estimate on what that will come. We haven't had every other party. Okay, another question for our Georgia Power representative. [2:18:28, 2:18:48]: That's an answer. Me, Ms. Scott. Mrs. Scott? Yes. Okay. Any requests from Mrs. Scott? Okay, so we have a motion on the floor, the second, all in favor of motion, please indicate. Okay, thank you. Any reference? Apologize and they acknowledge earlier consumer. [2:18:48, 2:18:48]: Yeah. [2:18:48, 2:19:08]: All right, back on plan for the public hearing. This would be Council Conservative approved the transmitter for the two thousand uh thirty eight comprehensive plan. This more put great uh mayor council, we're here. Um the collaborative firm did a wonderful job in terms of uh controlling all the stuff they had [2:19:08, 2:19:28]: We get out there with a community and engage them to bring you a document that I think they did a great job on. And they're here. The document is extensive, so what I'm asking to do is just do the highlights. And what I shared with them, I thought was of major interest to you, is the land use classifications and what zonings will go with. [2:19:28, 2:19:45]: You know, what is the C one? What is the C2? What are the uses that will go on the last? So with that, I'm gonna turn it over to Metal. [2:19:47, 2:20:07]: All right, let's just we'll see here. Comprehensive plan is what we have next. We got new business and then uh then we'll actually at the end, new business one item, and we're actually near the end. Is there this region's got something to present tonight? We're just looking at and that's okay. So we're looking at whether or not look at new city manager, system manager. [2:20:07, 2:20:27]: For the rest of the staff that is here, is that do you need everybody here for the entire rest of the meeting? Just the people you need. If you want to release anybody, you can do so on your court. And I'll leave it to the discretion of the staff back here. I think the consent is going to answer a couple questions. [2:20:27, 2:20:47]: Okay. Alright, so something of you all who does anything else is uh I don't play that. Okay? Sorry, so go ahead and present. Oh no problem there. Uh just wanna say good evening and thank you for having us here. It appears as though there's a virus going around in city halls because I was at the city of Atlanta City Hall yesterday that you shut it down. [2:20:47, 2:21:07]: There's no air in this. I don't know what's going on. But anyway, uh we do appreciate you uh allowing us to do this plan for you. Uh we've done a lot of plans over the uh southwest Atlanta, uh uh county, we've done that comprehensive development plan, uh college park. [2:21:07, 2:21:27]: Fairbank and Fedville, just to name a few of the ones that we've done. But this is probably one of the first ones we've done where it's your first comp plan for the city. And we're very privileged that we had the opportunity to do it for you. Not only that, but we're doing Stone Crest, we're doing their comp plan for them. [2:21:27, 2:21:47]: Their first company. So we're very privileged that we have this opportunity to make history uh with you. Uh with that in mind, I'm gonna have um Madeline come up and sort of go through the land uses with you. Just want to just bring to your attention that these two documents go together. And the short-term work program and uh uh [2:21:47, 2:22:07]: The CIP, all of those things mirror what's in the comp plan, which the citizens say they want to talk, uh, they want to see happen, the goals and policies. And as a matter of fact, the trail plan is also mentioned in there. Citizens say some people brought that job attention that they had a trail plan that was adopted in 1970, nine uh 2017. [2:22:07, 2:22:27]: Uh and so that's mentioned in there and also talks about the goals and policies for that and some implementation to for that as well. So Madam is going to go through I asked her to do a high-level as Camilla Moore said, we're just going to go through the land uses, get your take on that, uh, and then we're going to ask you to take a vote on the plan so that we can see. [2:22:27, 2:22:33]: submitted uh with along with the documents that you approved earlier today. [2:22:33, 2:22:38]: Yeah, that's it. Um, [2:22:39, 2:22:59]: Thank you, thank you very much. Um appreciate you because it's a little time. As we say, we're going to not relabel it. [2:22:58, 2:23:18]: And that is to identify the needs of opportunities for the plan, implementation, and the goals that Mr. Shelby spoke about in terms of the implementing those goals for that work plan. So we're going to move right along to the main highlight, and we're going to talk about how we got to this point. [2:23:18, 2:23:35]: That was the public involvement. We actually conducted eight meetings. They were serial committee meetings with uh stakeholders that were involved in the city's business. And then there were they were public meetings. There were at least five public meetings that we held throughout this time period. And I have to say that was one of the most [2:23:35, 2:23:55]: engaging because the community were they they were very they had a small town feel so they they they really felt vested in the community. I know during the time there was a lot of other things, some pros and cons going on with the city, but I want to say that the community was very engaging and um and I actually enjoyed that opportunity and time to to be involved with [2:23:55, 2:23:56]: Yeah. [2:23:57, 2:24:17]: The some of the things we heard from the community was like was that they disliked industrial and industrial type developments. They felt like they were intrusive, uh heavy transportation type uses and utility uses. They were very much in favor of connecting the existing trails, uh connecting these landing bike lanes to create a loop that connects the city correctly. [2:24:17, 2:24:32]: as we've talked about in some early conversations tonight. They want to see connectivity between the residential areas and the parks and they certainly want to see more recreation centers throughout the city of Stock Bridge. [2:24:33, 2:24:53]: The cup plans, the map we just looked at. I do have a map that's a little larger that you can kind of look at. And in fact, we did tweak a little bit of the boundaries as you guys identified in some of your earlier reviewings. So the up-to-date map is a map that we have posted there for you. I'm going to kind of uh focus in on some of the highlights of [2:24:53, 2:25:12]: Of uh that map, but I'm going to refer to the map that's on the board there. You see the big uh heavy per heavy block of gray. Over here. Okay, good. That big block of gray represents the Bulkan area. That area is identified as being heavy industrial. [2:25:13, 2:25:33]: The as far as your packet we have included the compatible zoning districts as they relate to each land use designation. We've given you some photographs to kind of give you an idea of what type of developments we're we're talking about. And we more particularly listen zoning districts that relates to that. Since I I focused in on the working property first. [2:25:33, 2:25:37]: Can you back with one little panel? [2:25:38, 2:25:41]: Do you want to back up? [2:25:42, 2:26:02]: Now that area between uh this is my community in here, we changed this designation, right? Mixed use. Right, uh-huh. Okay, so it referred to the map there, you can see the area there, the pink shading is the area, is the is the uh represents the mixed use. Okay, so you did it with that. [2:26:02, 2:26:06]: Derivative. [2:26:07, 2:26:27]: Right. So for highlights we are when I mentioned the uh the the vulton piece, the bulletin piece being an industrial designation, uh being heavy industrial means it would it could both accompany both light industrial uses, heavy industrial uses as well as commercial zones could appear in that area that's shown with the with the [2:26:27, 2:26:47]: The big block of gray of both the property. We did go into the plan map and broke out heavy versus light. The light industrial designations is the uh light gray, and then the heavy is the dark gray. And um again at any point in time you want to make reference, you can refer to this document where the photographs are and you can [2:26:46, 2:27:06]: see there's some pictures of big heavy warehouses, big distribution centers. That's more that's representative of heavy heavy industrial uses and the manufacturing type plants are very heavy. The other special highlight on this plant is the uh is the deep pink purple area. [2:27:06, 2:27:08]: That's our [2:27:09, 2:27:12]: That's the new downtown district. [2:27:12, 2:27:24]: Uh we've been saying over and over again the L LCI plan that's taken into account revisions. The LCI plan was approved in 2012, I believe. And some of those visions that was put forth then [2:27:25, 2:27:45]: we s we still recognize it as being uh relevant today. And that downtown district being one of those, having a core downtown area to kind of identify and give some some character and identification to what the city of Stockbridge is is a very important feature. That zoning district uh would primarily incorporate mixed use type developments. [2:27:45, 2:28:05]: In this use, there you can see municipal sample photographs. We certainly encourage pedestrian oriented streets with street furniture. We encourage the type of commercial development where there's commercial retail on the bottom and residential type uses on top. There can be also office. [2:28:04, 2:28:24]: type of environments incorporated into this. So these shoes could be a it could be an entanglement of both residential office and commercial or it could be it could be commercial in office or residential in office or residential in commercial. But again the downtown district will provide us with that opportunity to have a focal point so that the cities can [2:28:24, 2:28:44]: Identify with. And then surrounding that, there is also what we refer to public institutional type uses. These type users could certainly support very easily around the downtown area, and you can see on the map there are some green areas and some green shades that represents park area, park park. [2:28:44, 2:29:04]: properties as well as the properties that are suitable for public space. The property where we are now in City Hall is actually located in that in that downtown district. That downtown district actually runs from uh I think it's Blood Street down to 2nd Avenue. [2:29:04, 2:29:09]: It's pretty much the range of where that uh downtown district will be represented. [2:29:10, 2:29:15]: The other highlights uh we talked about are the mixed use conditions. [2:29:16, 2:29:19]: You can see on the map there's quite a bit of pink shading. [2:29:19, 2:29:39]: On the map. That P shape uh represents once before that was our commercial corridors where we where most of the strip commercial occurs. This map now uh suggests that the area is more suited for mixed use so that we don't encourage more core type of commercial development, that we can get more inclusive. [2:29:39, 2:29:59]: type development where you have mixed use where you enter into a development and all the core elements of that done are internal. So there's so we have pretty much along all our major corals in around 675 to 75 we introduce the pink shading which is the mixed use designations. [2:30:00, 2:30:06]: The other designation we have addressed is we refer to as luminity vertical. [2:30:06, 2:30:26]: And medium medium density vertical mixed use. When we say when we mention the word vertical, we're talking about mixed use where they're stacked. Photographs on walls sort of indicate the type of element we're talking about where you uses our stacked on top, not the old-fashioned uh model layout where you start out with a new. [2:30:26, 2:30:46]: Here, we venture over to this area here. That's not the type of development because we're encouraging its use because Nixuse is more favorable for pedestrians. I mean, if you're going to be a walkable community, everything has to be in a somewhat in a tight cluster. When you have those stripped-out corners, they exhaust the infrastructure in terms of having moment. [2:30:46, 2:31:05]: the sidewalks in order to connect uses and so that a long walk is not always as desirable as a nice short intimate walk. So the misuse areas will encourage by having restable users would make better use of the land and would involve more pedestrian activity. [2:31:06, 2:31:18]: The um what's the sea on some the um residential, um you can see that we've represented the low disk residential with the pale yellow [2:31:19, 2:31:39]: color. There's a certain want to continue to protect that low density in residential areas, but we also recognize that there is a need for um increased density to some extent because we need rooftops in order to start economic development. And again, but the way we have addressed these these densities [2:31:39, 2:31:40]: Um [2:31:41, 2:31:56]: is primarily uh in mixed use areas where we where we where we desire high density type development. But when we get into medium density and low density, low density we're talking about one two units per acre. That's in the uh in the uh [2:31:57, 2:32:17]: I don't know if the colors may be a little from the distance, we may not be able to distinguish all the colors, but the county all peach areas are low low density. And then the other color is medium density residential, which is about two to three units per acre. So we do continue to to preserve the residual characters, but at the same time that deep um yellow [2:32:17, 2:32:21]: is the area where we are encouraging more um [2:32:24, 2:32:32]: but we're encouraging more more um contested element in terms of uh the mixed use further type uh development [2:32:34, 2:32:35]: Let's see um [2:32:37, 2:32:57]: Those are the major highlights of the those are some of the changes that we have made from sort of first viewing. So that we have incorporated your visioning as well as the visioning of the community. So I think this represents a good direction for the city of Stockbridge. Just keep in mind that this is a guide for [2:32:57, 2:33:17]: future development as market trends come in you have those commercial ports where they're all stripped out but as new development comes comes along they'll be they'll have to get along they'll have to fit into the new complaint. I will say that most times when a company is adopted it also pushes along changes some zoning orders. Now we can [2:33:17, 2:33:37]: You go to the zoning orders and then you begin to tweak your zoning districts so that all the districts that we have recognized is being compatible for these areas, you want to make sure that they also incorporate the type of uses that you find desirable. And then at the same time, that sometimes this lins off more designing guidelines, so you want to make sure that we do get the appropriate. [2:33:37, 2:33:57]: The style of street furniture, that we do get signage that's complimentary and that's cohesive in a mixed use environment. So the um so as the city grows and changes and the changes and development do come along, we will have a plan that represents a vision for the type of community that you'd like to see. [2:33:56, 2:33:58]: Mm. [2:34:00, 2:34:20]: So I kind of hit the highlights kind of briefly for you, kind of bring you to this point where we are now. Certainly at this point we're in the process of trying to get this document uh submitted to DCA. Today's meeting is a opportunity for the city council to adopt a resolution so that we can afford the document to DCA. [2:34:20, 2:34:40]: Once they do their reviews, they'll either give us revisions, come us back, we'll take the time to address those revisions, and once all those revisions are addressed, which we we suspect that the month of September will be the month that they would spend time reviewing it. So it's our hope that by the end of September, we'll have a plan. [2:34:40, 2:34:57]: That we'll have optimum to address any visuals as necessary, and then we'll go to plan adoption in the month of October. And with that adoption, the framework will be laid for us to begin type development stuff is to entice type development in that to city. [2:34:58, 2:35:18]: Uh have uh you um um second uh rather night yet. Have you all looked us on? Yeah oh yeah. And then uh do you have any questions on that? I think that what I think mayor council needs [2:35:18, 2:35:38]: To notice that the whole concept of plans have changed. Once upon a time, what we only see stock is you got commercial here, and you got to go somewhere and see something else. Where now everything is being clustered together. So, you know, you go into an area and everything is right there. We're trying to force people. [2:35:38, 2:35:58]: People out of their cars, but they don't say live, work, and play. So what this takes you to from the old concept of where you have separate uses and you have to do a lot of walking and a lot of driving to areas where you've got the live, work, and play community, where somebody can actually live upstairs, walk around the corner and go to work, and then go out. [2:35:58, 2:36:02]: cleaners at the corner. So this takes us more toward an inward. [2:36:02, 2:36:22]: design um Brookhaven they just finished their you follow me? It takes us more towards that. And what we hope is that for instance where like big lock is right now that's just a commercial script, right? But let's just say that somebody came in and they said you know what I'm gonna buy out this [2:36:22, 2:36:42]: whole plasma. And what I choose to do, rather than have a big lot here and a dollar here, let's just drop it all and come up with residential above, keep me some stuff on the bottom, and then circle that with some nice out clusters. What this will say is going forward, the old type development along the linear that we [2:36:42, 2:37:02]: See along Highway 138. Just trying to get away from that. You're going more towards condensed bearing uses in clusters. The the in in many communities about you know our size, operating the size of the roof, um swan is some skin Lawrenceville. Um [2:37:02, 2:37:22]: have incorporated some of these new traditional type uh developments where we got the mix traditions that Camilla talked about. The hope is even in our downtown area that one day we will see you know offices, we'll see restaurants, we'll see apartments, we'll townhomes or some other residential feature where all of that come together and creates this [2:37:22, 2:37:35]: synergy downtown that you see in some other places. And so you know we've you've taken you council taking a big step by one conducting your own comprehensive planning process. Essentially [2:37:35, 2:37:37]: I know what the fact is. [2:37:38, 2:37:58]: where we're where you're charting the course for your future and embracing some of these um new innovative concepts that hopefully allow the city to grow uh in a fashion um that that brings people down uh in and around downtown, helps cultural development and also reaches out to millennials in a way. [2:37:58, 2:38:05]: is attractive for the millennial generation and hopefully discharge the course of what we'll see in the next five to ten to fifteen years. [2:38:05, 2:38:25]: Um right. It's also attracted to millennials as well as seniors because the last year more poor community for seniors. They're also becoming very popular for families. We find a lot of these issues around they provide open green so that they can create that recreational area for for young families with young small children. So they are that does of offer certain burden [2:38:25, 2:38:28]: [9508.9, 9528.9]: Yeah. The reason I was looking at that because the statistics show that in the next twenty years, every day someone is turning sixty three years old. Twenty thousand Americans turning sixty. That's why you have we have that one senior limited open up. [2:38:48, 2:39:08]: three to six year waiting list. And so those type of uh development, those areas we we know they're highly needed. Uh we want to attract the millennials, but we want to make sure we're attracting those seniors also. Yeah but what this would be for the seniors, let's just take the one on red oak that we talked about. Those were developed along the old [2:39:08, 2:39:28]: Pattern, which means that they actually don't have to get in their car, and they're actually gonna have to drive up the street to a restaurant. What this means is that you're gonna put the seniors above on the second and third floor, and then they can come down and go to pizza place, come down and go to the cleaners. You know, it'll put the commercial within walking distance so that they won't have [2:39:28, 2:39:48]: have to get in their car. Okay, is it swine? Is is that what the project is? I see that there's one that's had the board up on uh corporate center when he was landing on a hill up there. They have a sign saying senior building, I guess that would be kinda in the middle. It was kinda in the middle. [2:39:48, 2:40:08]: They came and talked to us about it, but it's gonna be more along the line of uh red. You know, when we had those conversations, we had talked about them doing a little mix, but based on what we're doing thus far, this year going the old traditional line. But we know that businesses stay open if you can pick the people who shop and close park center. [2:40:08, 2:40:25]: I mean if the cleaners is right downstairs, the likelihood of their cleaners staying open is going to be great because everybody's going to go right downstairs or the pizza place or the drugstore. So particularly for our seniors, we really want to ensure those types of donors so they don't have to get in their car. Let's say you want to. [2:40:26, 2:40:46]: Any other questions we got? Okay, so this is also a um a public uh hearing aspect, so I'll open up the public hearing. Any citizens that want to make any comments for the comments plan on this side? Anybody against on the left side? Against the [2:40:46, 2:41:01]: So in this case uh we need to make a motion to accept this comprehensive plan. So counsel any motion please. There we go. Any further discussion? [2:41:02, 2:41:04]: All in favor of accepting a conference plan, please in the game. [2:41:06, 2:41:26]: Okay, I think we answer it. Thank you very much for the app. Thank you all for well, Mr. Bill. Goodbye. Thank you. Now we have to do our zoning ordinance to bear um the cost. Okay. All right, good stuff. That was a quick question on that. [2:41:26, 2:41:46]: Uh one, two, three buildings now. Way, you got uh the service, I don't know what service they call it for. The zone's going right there. And you're right, I think you said we'll deal do with something with the zoning for the [2:41:46, 2:42:02]: Making sure that we don't get those uh those mops type businesses coming over there. Okay. Right, so new business. Council consideration of the name of the cities have all orders regarding open container district. It was more pleased. [2:42:03, 2:42:23]: Great. Uh we've had some discussion about um making sure that particularly in our downtown area, I think it's what it pertains to, that as businesses come downtown, we want them to be able to go in a restaurant and if they have a beer, come out with the beer and you know, just walk downtown. [2:42:23, 2:42:29]: To not to allow them to do that. Um the guy that what's the name of the pool place? [2:42:29, 2:42:49]: Smoky cube. Smokey Q. Uh one of the things that he talked about as we're moving to the fall activities is like, well, you know, I'd like the people to be able to be coming to beer and then go out and listen to the music and all of that. So what this will do, it would allow people to have open containers downtown in our downtown district. Downtown district out there. [2:42:50, 2:42:52]: Okay. Um [2:42:54, 2:42:58]: Councillor Genny questions for uh Ms. Moore. [2:42:58, 2:43:18]: So she has a good question. How we designate that? We're going to designate that by the map. And then the comp planning actually has a geographical boundary that deals with what our downtown is. You can make that smaller, but it shouldn't go anywhere beyond that. So I know we have some checking to do from I think the church or something at the end of the [2:43:18, 2:43:28]: perform, we have to do a business requirement, but other than that, once we make that distance requirement, then the orders will allow open containers. Alright? [2:43:29, 2:43:49]: So council no questions? So in this aspect um this is a new agenda, we get a certain item. So we need certain certain understanding. If if you are okay within geographic area being a downtown district that's set for [2:43:49, 2:43:50]: Yeah, [2:43:54, 2:44:10]: amendment to the ordinance allowing the uh possession of open containers in that district. That's all it is. The distance requirements for the church would still apply based on where the [2:44:10, 2:44:30]: uh the beverages are purchased that it wouldn't apply based on where they're consumed or where the possession is. So it's really all need to make a judgment call if you wanted that district, or if you wanted somewhat smaller just to be the area over there. We we just need to hear that from you. Look at the motion needs to identify the [2:44:30, 2:44:50]: streets themselves, that's what this street and streets itself? Yeah, or or unless you want us to bring back a mat so you can actually see it and be comfortable with that. But when you have what's in the comp plan that may be a little too too yeah. So if you want us to bring something clearer for you, we can do that. I would like clear. [2:44:49, 2:45:09]: I would like for you to bring something else back here so that way we'll know exactly what we're voting on. Yeah. I got a question. Are we trying to get this in before before the uh Yeah, I have to have another meeting before the uh uh can we get a recommendation A A or B one or two? [2:45:09, 2:45:24]: Yeah I think that's what we can bring that and just and we can shrink it. In other words, we can set uh timetable on it, in other words we can say that open container will apply to the entire district, but at this point in time the boundaries are missed. [2:45:25, 2:45:45]: One block, you know, and just identify that. Well with the area I'm sorry. With the area map, can you just kind of like give us a uh you know with the with the with the different because I know with the uh the brake stats is a bigger footprint than we ever seen, so what are the you know, how do you do that? Well the uh the amendment that you all thought the [2:45:45, 2:46:05]: Two meetings ago or whatever for city events, that's still a lot. Yeah, but I'm just saying the footprint world was the change ago. You know, what what's the footprint?'Cause it it's a it's a wide range, that's all I'm saying. We I would suggest us bringing back a map to you on the September tenth meeting, if that's okay.'Cause I think what Mr. Blond is saying is that you're rocky. [2:46:05, 2:46:07]: Um [2:46:08, 2:46:28]: Over here on this side where the main concert is, that's across the track. And open containers says that people can drink and do what they do that we normally do. Right? So we do need when we bring it back, we'll make sure that we include all of the areas. Um because we're definitely going to have to draw it down to the amphitheater. [2:46:28, 2:46:34]: So we'll bring back something that takes the amphitheater, probably back over to nursery, somewhere like that. [2:46:35, 2:46:55]: Yeah, that was gonna be my concern for Bridge Fest if you make a purchase at uh the pool hall. But you're walking to your car, I think market is gonna be at the Cultural Art Center facility. Right. So if you're walking in that direction, are you in compliance or you're out of compliance? Right. [2:46:55, 2:47:15]: save this from the place of purchase. Okay. Right. Right. Well I mean you're raising a couple of things, I think. You know once we draw the line, whatever the map is, as long as you're inside the map you're good. Once you cross over and I don't know if if Culture Arts facility will be in that map or not. [2:47:15, 2:47:35]: My question is in regards to the effective date because you tie it to the comp plan, you say the comp [2:47:35, 2:47:55]: plan is getting to be adopted in October, but the ordinance will be dated whatever today date is if you so choose to adopt it today. So my question is when is the effective a map that's somewhat different for the count plan it will be whatever effective date the council decides. Or you mean it's the same [2:47:55, 2:48:15]: Yeah, but you just about that horse bowl. Or just yeah, or you can reference the map. Whichever way I would I'm thinking that if we're gonna bring you a couple of different maps, it'll be that map and it won't reference the kind of plan. Just just the course you can see. Yeah, but real quick, we have to believe that we learn. [2:48:15, 2:48:35]: have to because I I saw it on that and then parking lines to kinda on the outskirts. We would have to block those off because if we don't then we're saying we're promoting all the containers going into your car. So we have to block those off. Okay. Okay. I I was just gonna ask other than the fool hall actually settling would that be [2:48:35, 2:48:55]: We do. We have a couple of things. CC has, I think we have three that actually does or umana, but they're going to be on their footprint. They've submitted um to come with them station, but they're out there throughout the footprint. [2:48:54, 2:49:14]: I think we tried they should have done that all together. So I think we talked about the pool hall and where those visions are data in the ATM side. Any more questions on that? No. Okay, so otherwise I think when we agreed to table this. [2:49:14, 2:49:34]: Then tell you get additional information on the map itself and that would be coming for us at our next council meeting. Right. And Melinda and I get on that tomorrow and we could actually have your map before then. And so I mean if you look at the map and you do a consensus, but we can do your map pretty quickly. Well map and then of course the actual res of the the the actual [2:49:34, 2:49:54]: That's ordinance itself. Ordinance in any of the additional language that needs to be needs to be a part of the narrative that makes any circumstriptions. Okay. Um there's some other things, nuances to how you maybe want to look at it as well. So I think everything needs to be brought by its message on this one. Okay. If there is a map that we can provide to you, [2:49:54, 2:50:14]: Okay, technically that that let's solve that for now. I have here next council. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Council consideration to approve the budget amendment two eighteen-005. Mr. Wiggins, please. [2:50:14, 2:50:33]: Yes, but well I'm gonna let you go to the end on the January because we have uh things two of them. Right. So on the first one, back in January, uh you guys approved the creation of the permitting and building budget. [2:50:33, 2:50:53]: However, we didn't take the necessary actions to actually finalize that. So what we're doing tonight is that when we created the budget, we had no idea in terms of what the possible revenues would be because we didn't have any prior history from Henry Campbell. So therefore we just decided [2:50:53, 2:51:13]: To look at what we would actually bring in actually to determine the budget for the year. So at this point in time, we have generated income$39,000,000 and we've expended$179,000. So therefore, we would like to set the budget for the remaining of the year to$400,000. So we have [2:51:13, 2:51:30]: have to have a budget amount in that account so that we can do revenues and expenditures. Everybody with me? So that's what we're asking you to do to make sure. I wanted to write this uh to repeat that again the numbers [2:51:30, 2:51:42]: 385 309 88302 and I can provide this to you. Okay. And 179-909-45 score. [2:51:42, 2:52:02]: Okay. And so what that means is that before we uh finish um this budget process, the only data that we have to kind of help us project what we need to set aside next year is based on what we think we will do by the end of the year. So on the track that we're going, we think [2:52:02, 2:52:22]: That probably our first year, we're probably looking at just a budget amount of about a half a million dollars. And then I think that is probably where we're going to end it by the end of the year. And so then we'll set that budget amount going into 219. And then as we get along mid-year, we'll be able to see whether or not we're still on track. [2:52:22, 2:52:42]: Has picked up or if the development has decreased, but we will have an opportunity. You know, I just want the citizens to know one of the things that we discovered, you know, for the 30, 40 years that Henry County did this for us, we had no we have no idea of knowing how much money was generated during the good times or the bad times. So we're just working out the numbers. [2:52:42, 2:52:51]: that we have right now to actually set up a budget that we think works for us at this period of time. [2:52:53, 2:53:13]: We talked about it earlier. For the three fifty nine, the one seventy nine is removed from that way. Yes. So which put us about one eighty to the city, one seventy nine. This I don't know the the input. So it's about fifty fifty. Well, some of my fifty fifty is some of the sixty forties, but we can give that information for the the specific. [2:53:12, 2:53:32]: we're dealing with is because we have a but we need to have a budget in order to do expenditures and receive to make sure that the book's balanced, that's what we're asking to allow us to set in that budget is 400,000. No, and that's I'm fine with that. Well what I'm trying to get I'm saying on that one we're looking at one seventy nine and one eighty forty three fifty nine. Right. [2:53:32, 2:53:47]: added right now is that 170 179 179 out of the 180 because we have a higher number than they have and they I know they get a higher percentage. What else is coming out of the 80s? Nothing else. [2:53:47, 2:54:01]: Now this one. We get our upfront cost for setup. Um and that's basically it. And of course we have uh the position that we're asking for when we talk about doing a luxury treatment that would come out of that, and that's basically it. [2:54:03, 2:54:05]: Mr. Correct. [2:54:06, 2:54:15]: I won't talk about it now, but I'll let you know that I'm coming with a lot of questions about um [2:54:16, 2:54:36]: Revenue versus expenses. Yeah, and I we got all that. I think once you sit down and see the chart you will see it when you actually look at all the uh invoices. And the reason because when I look at the the budget, what I'm what I'm seeing I'm having uh some issues with with some of that. But uh I'm too [2:54:36, 2:54:56]: But I think like Mr. Mont sat down with us today. I think when you actually sit down, we actually it'll make a lot more sense. We're making money. A dollar. You know, and it's gonna tell how much we miss over the years and and that's why we go back to revenue. [2:54:56, 2:54:56]: Yeah. [2:54:56, 2:55:16]: Well, but it's just like your IT people downstairs. I mean, you have your contractors. I mean, if you want to talk about what did Henry County do in terms of staff, right? Because when you bring these people, it's just like an IT people there, interdate us, right? I mean you give them places because they become a part of your city because you say you want them here by the [2:55:16, 2:55:30]: days a week, right? And so that's the cost of doing business. What I am saying is that in terms of cost, if we had to go out and hire six people, if we had to go out and hire six people to bring in house. [2:55:31, 2:55:41]: we will be in the rig a whole lot. That's all I'm saying. So every dime we're making outside of providing space in terms of startup costs, it doesn't cost the city anything. [2:55:43, 2:55:50]: No, I I I trust me, I I get that part, but I'm I'm just looking at it from from a true sense of [2:55:50, 2:56:10]: there are other expenses. But I mean but once you break it down to me I'm sure uh I will agree. But I'm just going on to agree. I'm just going on what I see right now. And I I I'm just like uh McCain, you know, if I make a mistake I'm willing to uh to say it. But we're we're t I'm just making that [2:56:10, 2:56:30]: So what we need now is a motion to accept this, to accept the budget amount 400,000. That's that correct? Just simply like that. That's what we're doing. For expense and revenue. Okay. For expense and revenue. Council somebody moved. Good. All right. Any further discussion? All favor please indicate. [2:56:30, 2:56:36]: Yeah. All right. Now we still have something else we still have to be. Yes, sec the second one is um [2:56:37, 2:56:57]: We're trying to you want to we you created a a fund number three fifty three that's for the citywide uh capital projects. That's pretty much what you saw earlier the CIP. Clarification. Okay. The one that uh John is speaking to now is budget number two zero one. [2:56:57, 2:57:04]: That's correct. We need to assign the budget number to one that we just approved the 401. [2:57:06, 2:57:09]: You wanna make that a little six? Yeah, that would be comfy. [2:57:11, 2:57:31]: We need to restate that in the motion or we just accept it as it is. I thought would you just approve the the two sets of rubber. Separate separately. So which one the one I'm sorry, the one that was approved with the budget named before the other one that was approved. There's another [2:57:31, 2:57:51]: Proposed budget amendment for 50,000 for TSW budget. Well we we did a motion for a second one. What if well we did a motion for$400,000? We didn't have a motion, we didn't have an amendment. My point is, do we need to assign a number or do we need to actually go back? [2:57:51, 2:58:11]: Well sign the number of that that's the question is if you go to the first one. Yes, we do. Okay, okay, time. So for the second one, okay. Yeah, we got two okay. Yeah. Two zero one eight. Well, the creation of three fifty-three for the CY capital projects. [2:58:11, 2:58:31]: We uh we want to do if we ask the council to approve the budget amendment to move 50,000 that was uh originally approved in April for TSW, uh removing it from the general fund into this three into this 353 fund and so we can be [2:58:31, 2:58:51]: A to capture all the costs that's gonna be associated with uh all of the capital projects and city wide going forward. And that's basically that's basically what slow finances asked. Okay. Any questions from John about this? I mean a motion to accept this and then flooding and so [2:58:51, 2:59:11]: Oh so you okay. Any further discussion? All those indicate? Three hours. So Mr. Mayor, what I understand for the city first question is because you voted on three different amendments. No, two two two certain so okay, so that you have the uh budget amendment that had the four hundred thousand [2:59:10, 2:59:22]: plus the fifty thousand. That's budget amendment twenty eighteen oh oh five and the second one was project amendment no I separated the second one was oh oh six that's what that's what I was [2:59:24, 2:59:44]: Okay. And what is next, uh council consideration for to amend the reschedule for the park providing and municipal rentals in the city parks after one January twenty nineteen. Good accident. I am here making a request that the city increase [2:59:44, 2:59:55]: the pavilion and the zero rental fees for 2019 up after January 2nd. And they will increase as follows. [2:59:55, 2:59:56]: The current resident. [2:59:58, 3:00:11]: for half a day from April to September from$75 to$100. And full day for residents from$100 to$150. [3:00:11, 3:00:31]: Non-residents from 100 to 150 on half days, and non-residents full day from April to September 150 to 300. On the Zebro rental from April through September, the resident fee from 60 to 85, and for the full day, April to September from 75 to 100. [3:00:31, 3:00:51]: For non-resident half day September, April to September 75 to 100, and full day for non-residents 100 to 125. On the pavilion rental from October to March, there is no half-day rental, it's a full day for residents from March. [3:00:51, 3:01:11]: 100 to 150 and for non-residents 150 to 200. Likewise with the gazebo rental, there is no half day for residents$75 to 100 and for non-residents 100 to 125. And I can tell you that the city of Jonesboro will be [3:01:11, 3:01:20]: Looked at currently charges$100 per hour with a minimum of three hours and a$25. [3:01:22, 3:01:42]: We said when we uh brought this forward in 2016 to go into effect 2017, that we would do this incrementally because it cost to maintain the parts, to bring in new equipment and all of that. So we would we were not going to give our citizens stick a shop, but at the same time [3:01:42, 3:02:00]: Yes. Yes, sir. I like to uh uh most that we approve the council service and hand the deschedule parking to deal rentals of the city possible January first in 19. Is it second? [3:02:02, 3:02:17]: Zero second. Okay, there's no any further discussion. Uh uh yes. Uh we we we we raised the fees uh I think once during our term already. Is that correct? [3:02:17, 3:02:37]: We did. We um increased the fees in twenty sixteen. Right. I think we'll take two seventy right. I think we have been doing a great job of telling the public we're in a great financial situation and that we have uh about eighteen million dollars in our reserve funds. So how can we be in [3:02:37, 3:02:57]: In the growth financial situation that we're in, justify raising the rate when we have uh all of these monies in excess. Um I just I voted for one increase. I just don't want to set the precedents that we're raising these rates on a regular basis. Uh there's the financial justification. [3:02:57, 3:03:17]: Of our surrounding areas is pretty potent, but at the same time, our overall books don't support that at these current levels we can still maintain this rate as a benefit to our citizens. I'm more concerned about the residents that live here. [3:03:17, 3:03:37]: in support increasing a fee for residents that live here, I might be able to, even though I wouldn't want to, increase the fees on non-residents, but uh I just don't I think I've already voted for one increase myself. I wouldn't want to vote for a separate increase. Okay, and for the college. Um [3:03:37, 3:03:57]: I I motion to approve it because uh since I've been here I've seen uh special needs equipment, I've seen improvements to the parks, I've seen uh upgrades to the park, and uh and when you go to the park and you look at what we are offering in our parks, over the Clark Park, Dog Park and all these other areas, the expense to the park is going up are going up. [3:03:57, 3:04:17]: Uh I think that even with this fee uh increase, it's still below the level when you look at other parks of what they're paying and what they're getting from other parks. So I think that when we look at the city of Stockbridge, you know, it's not Maybear. You know, this this is uh we're growing and building up parks and we've been and we put so much in these parks. [3:04:17, 3:04:26]: We put hundreds of thousands of dollars in these parks, whether splotch funds or uh or what? And so the fee that we're gonna be charging for these parks for all day. [3:04:27, 3:04:47]: You can still it would not decrease any participation in these parts, I guarantee. Um and they all act together. And I've heard [3:04:46, 3:05:06]: from many um participants that they hate to rent that because someone else is renting B and somebody else is renting C and you as close as uh Council Blount I am with A and B. So um yeah do you get in [3:05:06, 3:05:26]: Any any pushback uh on that issue as far as you know there's no privacy at Clark at O3 to leave? Because you just the only thing I can say today is uh Clark Park is the first one to rent. Uh when we uh when people really see what's available, the first part they want is [3:05:26, 3:05:45]: The second park is uh memorial park and the third park is garden. And I had asked and this is oh you're gonna hear when we talked about the improvement that we need to do to um garden park. A lot of people wrap in the lead seal garden park, we need to change the signage and we need to reply. [3:05:45, 3:06:05]: Change the playground, so there are some areas that we've spoken to because it is Gardner is last on the list and it has the most space between its pavilions, but it's just not the one. But Clark Park is always the first one to rent, and they we the reason we have it on the agenda for today is because we already [3:06:05, 3:06:25]: already have a list of people wanting to rent the park in twenty nineteen. But we told them about a proposed increase in fees. They've asked us to keep them on the list and let us know as soon as it's available so they can go ahead and vote. So they know even though there's a a proposed fee increase rent and they won't rent. Last question. [3:06:24, 3:06:35]: So with that uh A B and C, is there any plan if someone wants to rent out three? [3:06:36, 3:06:56]: Is there a discount if you rent also? There's not a currency discount if you're the foreign rent offering or the entire park. We also we also have people who rent the entire park. They take A, B, C, and D. And they do that far in advance. So at the other pavilion is that um [3:06:56, 3:06:58]: E and F or put it. [3:06:58, 3:07:04]: That's D. D. That's D. Only D. D. Okay. [3:07:05, 3:07:25]: No. That that that those pavilions I sort of know kind of those pavilions are sexual. That's what we're talking about. But most family unions and church and all that, they know they're rent we're we're not having lack and rent that whole pavilion off at all. Because what we're renting that whole [3:07:24, 3:07:30]: Well what the what the parks crew will normally do is they'll turn [3:07:30, 3:07:50]: This way, B this way, and C that way. So that we're not right there. Okay. Okay. Any questions on this side? Okay, so we have a motion on the floor that's already been sat and so all discusses good handles, so all in favor of the motion, which is to accept these uh changes and increase. [3:07:50, 3:08:00]: in the feature metaphor, the zero and the um the actual um gradient. [3:08:01, 3:08:14]: Oh polls? Oh that means we are two three that means I I break the time. Okay, well I'll be done. I say Christopher's Christopher's. Okay, thank you. [3:08:14, 3:08:34]: Actually, number uh sixteen deals with the council of the fill of vacancy on the planning commission. Now, I said I'm going to suggest a recommendation that we actually talk about this in the second session before we go before we make this announcement, please. If the council is willing to do that. Okay. Okay, we'll do this in the [3:08:34, 3:08:54]: I was under the mind to ask to table this because the issue I have with this, uh, and I was looking at the package and I talked a little bit more about this, about the the qualification of these, and I mentioned this. [3:08:54, 3:09:14]: for the application process it just does not lend itself to the experience of these applicants. In some way somehow um we need to do that and I'm just looking at the ones that we have the client you have one person that's uh a landscaper but the other look [3:09:14, 3:09:34]: We have one as a nurse and we have one that's something else. And uh we you know we just need to have a little bit more um um applicants that that can relate to plan. Additionally, I think there was a note I sent out last night regarding previous. [3:09:34, 3:09:54]: applications that have been submitted they are part of the majority. And let me just add um what Mr. Thomas had a meeting and he asked me to do was that there was a discussion about these boards bringing back job descriptions so that when you put those out there [3:09:54, 3:10:14]: somebody looking for to see what the job description was. So I look to the FPA every planning commission and asked them to just send a job description on people that normally would make up a planning commission order. And so I just applied that you know to everybody. But you know that's just a basic job description. That is if you want to use it at some point. [3:10:14, 3:10:34]: Time, but I emailed it to each of you, and basically, uh, and this is just for planning, it is designed to have training in fields such as planning, architecture, law, civil engineering, geology, economics, and mathematics. And those are just what they say. That doesn't mean they have to be, but just because the request. [3:10:34, 3:10:52]: was made for me to get a job description, I always go to the American Planning Association and this is what they said, and I just modified the slide for it. So this is what I want to say to this. As someone who served on a board as a planning commission person, you want [3:10:52, 3:11:07]: the moms. You want the dads or or or or or uh those in the community. This is a citizen review board. If you might want to suggest those items, but [3:11:07, 3:11:27]: You just want regular folks who live in the community to now with the DEA board that might be that's different. But with the Planning Commission, you just want regular citizens to apply. And I don't want anybody to be discouraged from applying. I just want to put we might be able to put this out there as some type of uh, you know, okay, well [3:11:27, 3:11:47]: You might suggest this, but I don't want anybody to feel like that they shouldn't apply. And let me just say I agree that Cis is volunteer, but that comprehensive plan that you just put up in you talking about the growth of your city. You were probably great because you were real. So, you know, for me in the government's not working. [3:11:47, 3:12:07]: With they pretty happy to come from those areas that have something to do with development of land. Because as you know, based on the prior chairman of the planning commission, is why we got some of the stuff we gotta stop reaching back. So, you know, I just look at this board as being crucial. I think everyone should apply. [3:12:07, 3:12:27]: Doesn't mean that they can't get trained because they can't. All I'm just saying is that I was asked to produce a job prescription. I went to the industry that does it. And this is what they recommend in terms of making sure you have the most effective folks. In other words, your turnaround time in terms of decision making. You as a realtor, when you said that. [3:12:27, 3:12:47]: But somebody started talking about commercial, because you do real estate, you keep lean. You knew because that's what you do every day. And so that's why a lot of these more particular clinics have leaned in that. Doesn't mean that it can't be people who have no experience. I just facilitated what was asked of you to do. [3:12:47, 3:13:07]: I just want to make sure that these are suggestions and not requirements. Yes, sir, go ahead. My point was in their application process, uh some of this information need to be listed if they have that experience. [3:13:07, 3:13:27]: The application process lend itself to uh that type of information. I would say not to these individuals because the actual job description came after the fact. So I made a suggestion earlier that we talked about the second session these individuals. I don't I don't know if you all still want to do that or not, or I even want to have [3:13:27, 3:13:47]: We got some zonings pending, right? We got some people we need we need to get them going, right? Right, but as a matter of fact, the last problem was we had that one P one person designed, that was okay, but then another person had a family emergency. So that's why we had the form that was short. But at this point in time, [3:13:47, 3:14:07]: I guess this is a a point for by the mayor and council. Um so I'm just trying to understand um the the council that's sitting here, we didn't all come in with the expertise to do what we're doing. [3:14:07, 3:14:27]: We had to be trained and we're continuing to be trained. Um, to me, whatever the the wishes of the mayor and council, it seems like to me, staff is the one that's gonna make sure these people are trained, um, aware of what mayor council want for the city. Um so I I'm just trying to understand. [3:14:27, 3:14:47]: I mean, if people live here and they have the heart for it and they're the willingness to do that, I think to me that's where the staff will come in and make sure that they're trained, um, just like we're being trained. Because like I said, I I'm just being personal, but right now I came in, I knew nothing about government. [3:14:47, 3:15:07]: say in my three years, I mean I have I mean it's I I've seen a lot and I've accomplished. But at the same time it's a lot of work when it came to training. Um so I don't wanna just eliminate somebody just because they don't have it. Because like I said, none of us up here was trained were you trained to be a mayor? [3:15:07, 3:15:27]: Uh no but you do OJ TMA but that's right, it comes with training. So I just don't want to put that out there that that's what we're looking for. Um this is standard. I agree. I agree. Uh that I that's okay. But at the same time, when you have willing vessels [3:15:27, 3:15:47]: You look at what we're getting. So at the same time, I don't want to discredit their willingness to work with their community. I think what the mayor the point he was making is that those people may have this experience, but they didn't know to put it because there was no job description. I think that's the point he was making. [3:15:47, 3:16:07]: I was asked to get this information and it didn't come in time for these applications. But for me, if people know what you're expecting, even if I don't have it, it doesn't stay on there just because you don't have this. Because when you look at the second page, it basically talks about using the community person and your willingness to do those things. All it does is to set a [3:16:06, 3:16:21]: criteria so that your folks you don't have to spend a whole lot of time hitting the ground late. Yet people with a basic understanding just because they don't have a basic understanding does not disqualify them from making a whole I'm good at that. [3:16:22, 3:16:42]: Okay, so my subsidies we'll have further discussion on these individuals' defenses. Okay. On that note, Council, to what discussion purposes the council discussion on moratorium for certain businesses in the city. Mr. Williams, please. Mr. Mayer, during the uh budget for Trink uh we had a uh discussion about a potential moratorium on certain types of business. [3:16:42, 3:17:02]: businesses. But my recollection we never had any discrete uh directives from council, um although we had a fairly robust discussion. And then also my understanding is I recall that Councilwoman Ganttwo has not been the last part of the discussion. Stan be corrected on that, but [3:17:01, 3:17:21]: Um the only list that we do have was the one that was submitted by Council Workniette. Um and on that list I can read it just for the record for tonight. It included uh salons and barbershops, tire shops, lawn and tackle lending shops, neighbor shops, [3:17:21, 3:17:30]: Girls and assignment shops, cash for title, auto shops, use appliance shops, tattoo shops, and so [3:17:30, 3:17:50]: From churches. Um, I think what she was with was assembly uses. Um and so we're sort of at a point where we just need your direction. One uh thought was that a moratorium could be put in place pending final approval of the comprehensive plan. [3:17:50, 3:18:10]: adoption of the zoning codes relative to implementing the recommendations from the town plan, which would probably be about between four to six months. So that would be the length of time for a potential moratorium if if that's a direction of council. But again coming from the discussion of the budget retreat, we didn't begin. [3:18:09, 3:18:29]: Alright. Four or six months that's roughly possibly February of two thousand nineteen, basically. Well well, first of all, you have to put the metric for the zoning order to be updated. And then once they call out so you probably talk in probably January before we get that out of that. And then so we probably try to [3:18:29, 3:18:49]: It doesn't really give us enough time to because we're places on the same distance, single-out churches. So we would have to decide one of those things that we can cap based on population, right? Those things that we do in terms of distance, it gives us enough time to work out formulas that are [3:18:49, 3:19:09]: legal that allows us to address these issues. Okay. Yeah I would like to see formals uh uh pertaining to our city and businesses because we we'll name all of these businesses but I can't I don't have anything to go by to say [3:19:09, 3:19:29]: if a city our size or areas and distances that's too much or not enough. Some of you see we don't want, but we just want to make sure we're in the right place and doing stuff, you know, without uh you know being disruptive and make sure we uh still continue be and, you know, friend into the small businesses. I don't know. [3:19:29, 3:19:49]: No. Right. I don't know how much distance and stuff you need. So let me give you an example. Let's just say that you decide that you want to do a more tourism on salon and barbershops. What that would mean is that we would need to bring back to you the number of salons and barbershop licenses that we have in stock. [3:19:49, 3:20:09]: And then based on CR size, you know what that means in terms of you make this decision. And then at that point in time, you can decide whether or not you're going to cap it based on population, based on distance, some formula would have to come into play that says that. [3:20:09, 3:20:29]: You know, once this number is reached, then you know no more can come until it reaches that number, whatever that is. There needs to be a formula in place, but we have to first reduce a bath. Does that make sense? I mean, for all of these things that you want to put more toward, even on cash those places. We need to come back and say, hey, within this 13.5. [3:20:29, 3:20:49]: Point something miles, you got this many of this, right? And typically for a city outside, you only see that. And based on that, you know, you may want to have this number, and this is how we should cap it, based on distance or something else. Correct. I think we already have that on the chip catches. I think we already have. [3:20:49, 3:21:09]: Employees and probably mustn't be a farm child. It looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, it climbs like a duck. You see it every day. I mean, we walk around the city every single day. You don't know what's in it. I mean, we hear this, I I I just go from what I hear from our residents who live in the city. [3:21:09, 3:21:29]: I hear it every day. I can't walk. I don't want another pawn child, I want another check cash, I don't want another uh this in my city, we got you know all of this going on. I think some of the times we just beat things to death. And um, you know, and if you're talking to the city [3:21:29, 3:21:49]: citizens every single day. You know that they want these things in place. Councilwoman Gantt, I mean Mary Corten Gantt now, Councilwoman Gan, she's been out there listening and she put compiled this data for us with this list. I'm very supportive of this list because I know how she went about it. [3:21:49, 3:22:09]: She went through our social media, she talked to folks in the community, she was active and engaging and just understanding what the community wanted. I don't think anybody's going to complain. And even if we set the moratorium tonight, if somebody with a legitimate [3:22:09, 3:22:29]: Plan came in, they can still come to the council just like the guy did with the uh with the truck, uh, with with the truck repair place, even though the moratorium is in place, that doesn't mean that they gotta come to us to ask or to talk to us for permission. Right, they won't be able to do an application. The only concern that I would say is that you know [3:22:29, 3:22:49]: Constitutionally people have a right to their property and how they use it. And so we have to be very careful when we start talking about more tourism, what you can't allow and not allow. Because some people will tell you that back before segregation, barbecues and beauty chops is what kept us alive. So there's a sensitivity to certain type of uses. I'm just saying that we [3:22:49, 3:23:09]: Before we at the moratorium, if I hold property constitutionally, you have to be very careful in terms of what you tell me I can't and cannot do. You can tell me that I can't do it, but you have to be on legally sound reasoning. All I'm saying is that give us the opportunity to bring back the data. Right. [3:23:09, 3:23:29]: not say this is what we're going to do, we bring you back something that says for community outside, we're oversaturated with these type uses. This is atypical. So in order to bring our community back in line with where it should be, we're recommending that it should be this number versus this number, and we can justify if they decide to serve. [3:23:28, 3:23:48]: That's that's all I'm saying. So otherwise if we agree we want to bring back the data and and for and a temporary standpoint, we have the moratorium in place or things that just goes wrong until we bring back the data. Unless they come before you to appeal [3:23:48, 3:24:08]: Basically what that says is that all applications for receipt of those uses has been halted. And that gives us time to come back and present you some data for you to make a decision how you want to deal with it finally because it can't stay in the moratorium forever. Right. Does that allow that they have to come for us and we'll have to receive it? [3:24:08, 3:24:28]: individually seem to give them to it. Well we would need we would just need a direction of whether it's a motion tonight for these uses or whether he wants to come back with you know it's kind of a chicken or the egg thing and some folks want to see the data before they impose the law colour and others want to oppose the law core so you can get the [3:24:28, 3:24:48]: Well well what you do is you place the moratorium so you can get the data so the unwanted businesses don't pop up in the meantime. So if I'm considering opening one of one of these businesses and I know you've already put out there you want a moratorium, I might rush down here to get the business license for it because [3:24:48, 3:25:08]: I know the moratorium is in place. You freeze in place, you get the data. If the data does not support the moratorium, then you lift it. Okay. Now I agree with the business owners having property rights. That's absolutely constitutionally protected in every single way. The reason that I come about with a [3:25:08, 3:25:28]: Uh this was the barbershops and the beauty salons and stuff. I go in barbershops, don't use beauty salons, but I go in there and talk to the folks. And what they tell me is that there's so much competition, they can't make money, is that they uh well they they they they can't raise prices because there is a cutthroat market. [3:25:28, 3:25:48]: With one being on every corner, everybody's competing based on price more than service, and they're losing so much out. So I want to be small business friendly by keeping those uh individuals in a position where they can be profitable versus having themselves be in a situation where somebody down the street is offering a five. [3:25:48, 3:25:59]: haircut and then somebody offered four or three and you know those types of things are what what kind of brought me to this uh point. Yeah I got it real quick one [3:26:00, 3:26:20]: All due respect, I don't know what bottom shop you go into, but I got there's one across the street and uh trays, and you look at Jackson, you go there, you got some how many how many you got ahead, and they'll tell you four or five at any given time. I'm saying so I don't I don't see that decline in the supply demand for barbershop. [3:26:19, 3:26:39]: shops because I'm in them all the time. Not just those, I'm in all the barbershops all the time. I d I got a dog that works and and uh so uh so I just I don't see the decline in personnel. We're just trying to decline we just wanna you you're talking about just putting more more tourum on that type of business. That's nothing. [3:26:39, 3:26:53]: That's no doubt I'm going to show a decline in any of these barbershops. They've been there for years. You don't be there for years if your clientele declined. You're there for years because business is booming. And business is booming everywhere in Stockfields. [3:26:54, 3:27:14]: All right. So on that note, if there's any further conversation, if not, then I guess we just I have one concern on vapors. I checked on that and you know our code does not uh address vapors, but they're considered under cigars. I mean Thomas and I did that, so you know you will be banning cigars smoking as well because right now vapor you know how the [3:27:14, 3:27:21]: something to come along and because they're new they have to be necessary classified. [3:27:21, 3:27:41]: I'm just saying. Yeah, but but if they fall under the category of cigar shops, that's what I'm saying. Cigars cause cancer, right? They I I wanna s my personal point of view is this. I don't understand why everybody's celebrating, you blow the smoke. They cause cancer just like cigarette, but [3:27:41, 3:28:01]: Oh, it's cool to be a cigar smoker, but it's killing people. All I want your council to know that vapors as classified in terms of building code and licensing falls under cigars. So if you want to divass any more cigar bars that's along lounges, I'm just saying you're gonna have to do that because right now there's for vapors. [3:28:01, 3:28:21]: Errors. Okay. All right. I just want to make sure that the clarification is that I don't want to ban them. I just want to put them in a category where we limit the distance between them. But basically, what you're saying is that if there's a vapor shop on every corner, then the cigar place could go next to that. Then they would need to parse them out. [3:28:21, 3:28:41]: So there's simple reasons. Or they can be yeah. I mean there's some cigar places that are vapor too. I mean I'm just saying right now because it's such a new classification, they're new under cigar. That that's all I'm saying. So what would actually give you directions and a sense of motion is something Yeah, we need either emotion or [3:28:41, 3:29:01]: Matter of it. We just need to know. But again, if you want to take action, you need to tell us. So how long it gonna take to bring the new day? [3:29:01, 3:29:21]: Just depends. I mean first thing we do is go to business license and see how many got people is this a business license based on those that you say. I would say that you actually have some that are in the hopper, so you probably need to let those of recommendations went over the brownstone, I think um somebody that's that's now [3:29:21, 3:29:41]: Trying to permit more vapor to cigar or vapor. Well, it's a ball it's a combination of both. Yeah, well, there's already cigarettes over there. But I'm so the application, sorry, interrupt. So the application's already in the pipeline. They've already had discussions with us. I just want to say that whatever effective date you give us a more tone-take effect, it should not include [3:29:40, 3:30:00]: So you need a date that kinda associated with this Well if if they were not in our office before this is adopted then they have understand, got it. All right. So just one of the last things. When we talk about cigars [3:30:00, 3:30:20]: And we're talking about races, you're talking about millennials, and you're talking about people that you're talking about the golf community, you're talking about people that invested in communities, you're talking about folks that that was sitting here that that that big percentage that live here that 45 enough age. So we have to be [3:30:20, 3:30:40]: careful as a city when we start talking about memoriatorium that we're not sitting here governing how people live their lives to that extent. Because if you go smoke a vapor you're old enough to smoke a vapor, you go smoke a cigar, you'll smoke a cigar. I'm always saying that we have to be careful on these memoratoriums or not and I would love to get the data because [3:30:40, 3:31:00]: If it was in place now, Brownstone would have a problem with Mike's Mike's business because they're all that they're almost over one shop separating them. So I just I would love to get the data because I I know that we're trying to do things for the city, but it is my suggestion is there's no clear classification for labors. [3:31:00, 3:31:14]: Well, uh for me I I think we got to prioritize [3:31:15, 3:31:35]: Um, you know, those item for me number one would be the old tar shop that you see everywhere. I don't have a problem with barbershop, salon. I'm a non smoker. I understand John Point and Invaders. I go to a lot of places that smoke cigars, but I just I don't frequent that because I'm a non-moker. [3:31:35, 3:31:55]: Smoker, but I I think once you look at that top tier, the top five, I think that's where I am and I think the old guitar shop and thing like that would be number one. I think Mrs. Gamp made a point. Uh if any of you are familiar with the facility right there at North Henry and [3:31:55, 3:32:15]: And flipping um was a used good place or something like that. Yes, okay. One code one day and two days later another one will come in. Now if that's your thing to try to uh decrease some owes, then I think we may have to look at that list. [3:32:15, 3:32:35]: put them in a order and then they would try to limit some of those but for me I don't have a proper rock stuff. I that would that was a moratorium for all of our things. [3:32:34, 3:32:54]: resolution right that's again that's exactly what we need your input because maybe a majority doesn't want to put the moratorium on one like the salons but do want to do tire shops. You just you need to know what you want us to do. Well my thoughts are simply this that we do everybody on that list and then look to get in the data [3:32:54, 3:33:14]: uh and maybe it may take a a couple day a couple I'll maybe a couple months I don't know how long it's a couple months to get all this information come back just maybe sixty days uh with the data and a resolution and go from there. That's it that's just my thoughts. Okay, how long do you think it'll take you then? We just have to see because it depends on how [3:33:14, 3:33:34]: Okay. So what we we have to do is one way to do this is you could put a moratorium on everything tonight for 30 days or 60 days to get some of this preliminary data, and then depending on what the results of that are, you can amend it and pose it. [3:33:34, 3:33:54]: I don't know. But just to to Councilman Alexander's point, you don't want to tip your hand and then have a flood of applications of your you know on tire shops for for instance and then your you know your without protection. So one [3:33:54, 3:34:14]: do a short term oratory until we come back with some preliminary data to do that. The only thing that I would mention, obviously I understand the thoughts behind moratorium so the only thing that I would mention is from a public input standpoint, there's not been any [3:34:14, 3:34:34]: In the weight of public information with respect to the types of businesses or uses that moratorium would be placed upon. I think this kind of and I know at times there would be discussion about different types of uses, but I think for this that Mike uh mentioned uh earlier is probably the first time. [3:34:34, 3:34:54]: uh that Lister Tobal has been saying it's the public right correct. It's been talked about before. And so um you know given some of the discussion um at list that list and total there may be some things on that list that you may wanna add the leader so forth, but that's just not it's just Mr. Robson. [3:34:54, 3:35:14]: I I don't have a problem with thrift stores. Um I love thrift stores. I go to Buckhead, I go all across to nice areas. Um I just say we don't have them on each corner. Right. Um so limited on just search things, limitations, um before as just getting rid of them. [3:35:14, 3:35:34]: think so, um because you have to understand you're servicing all of your community. And you gotta make sure whatever is your community we have to actually see what's in our community, what's working for our community, and that's our citizens. So right now we just need to say, okay, who is driving, who's who's pulling in in there. And then that's how you can determine [3:35:34, 3:35:54]: um what your what your need is for your community. Um again, um I just feel that they shouldn't be three in the same area. Um so limitation is is way out of that. So we just have to do the data to see what's going on before we start making these decisions. So what's it job? [3:35:54, 3:36:14]: I I agree with Councilwoman Robinson because we have to look at supply and demand. We look at a capitalistic society where we're saying what dictates and what's been our backbone for the city and I have no problem against Christ Court either. Doesn't wind up being out forever. Or every Tuesday, even half off. So you know [3:36:14, 3:36:34]: I mean y you know, it you it it it it's a supply and demand. If if if something moves and another goes right back in at the same business then s if it's not for the community the community will tell you by not shopping there. If it's not for the community they'll tell you by not getting that head. Business cannot stay somewhere [3:36:34, 3:36:36]: If it's not a demand for it. [3:36:36, 3:36:56]: Customizing that list. I I just want to say real quick. No one here, including me, is talking about uh eliminating any business. We're simply top agreement with you that we would uh limit the number of thrift shops. You're not gonna go to Alfred and see a thrift shop on every corner. You're not gonna go to Alvarather and see a bottom of the shop. [3:36:56, 3:37:16]: Barbershop on every corner, either. So no one is talking about doing away with any of these businesses. It's simply to place limitations. And as Mr. Williams suggests, we will place the 30-day moratorium on the businesses, and then when the data [3:37:16, 3:37:36]: Comes back in the businesses that it does not apply to or that we want to remove, we will remove them. So the moratoriums are never permanent. You just set them to keep the status quo until you collect the data that says we don't want Tire Shop running here. And we say, okay, tonight. [3:37:36, 3:37:56]: It's gonna take six months to get the data back, or three or four months. The floodgates open now. Everybody already knows we're gonna put a moratorium, and yes, they're gonna run down to the office. So uh the data is critical. I'm supportive of the data. No final decisions will be made until the data returns. [3:37:56, 3:38:16]: Moratorium only holds things in place until you collect the data. But just let me tell you what you're gonna get in 30 days. I wanna be real clear. So I don't want no expectations. All you're gonna get in 30 days is your numbers. We're gonna tell you how many barbershops you have, how many salon shops you have, how many criteria shorts, thrift stores you have, everything on that list. [3:38:16, 3:38:36]: All we can take in 30 days is the numbers. There's not enough the allocation. There's not enough time to do analysis based on our size, population, income, how many stores you should have. That's not what you're gonna get in 30 days. But you get in 30 days is your. [3:38:36, 3:38:56]: 60 or 90? We have a more talk of the 90 days. It depends on what information you're looking for to make your six, right? If you're looking for us if you're compared to Jonesboro, to Riverdale, to McDonald's, that's not a 60-day thing. Okay, but we can give you your number and location. [3:38:56, 3:39:16]: I'm not forming more. You have formal option. No. Not until I get not until I get what we need to say is justified. Okay. I would understand. Well again. [3:39:16, 3:39:19]: favor uh limit it because [3:39:20, 3:39:27]: I I do have issues with Tasha, so I'll move out of them, but ask me a question. [3:39:30, 3:39:50]: Well uh that's the well I I I just like to keep researching as well on the Well and can we agree that we they can get the research that we'll put a thirty day or sixty day thing on and then in thirty days we will bring you back a number and a location. Okay, but it's only classification theory. And if we if we accept that [3:39:49, 3:40:09]: Then we can also say that that nothing else nothing else moves until we get the data back. That holds everybody in place unless they already come in and start a conversation with you. Hold everything in place until we get that data and we adjust from that point. Can we accept that? Does that make sense? Well I was the promotion that we put the 30 days in, we get the [3:40:09, 3:40:22]: data and then we make the decision after the 30 days. And that that that is with uh numbers and locations that locations and zoning classification. Second any further discussion? [3:40:23, 3:40:25]: All very well, please. [3:40:30, 3:40:40]: It's based on what we have currently because we haven't adopted anything, so that's what we have at all now. [3:40:50, 3:41:10]: Okay. I'll let it go. So you manager you have a copy, sir. Um it's a great game stuff, but that's all I have to say. So you clear. I concur. You concur. [3:41:10, 3:41:30]: Mr. Thompson. Mr. Bluck. Mr. Townsend. Thank you everybody for tuning in. We appreciate it. And we're getting a lot done here today. I'm glad we moved some things forward. Um and uh keeping faith in us and we're trying to move things forward. Hopefully we get this parking situation. [3:41:29, 3:41:37]: [13297.7, 13317.7]: And my comments will certainly this uh keep your faith citizens as we continue to move forward. And I want you to say, I want to tell you to have a happy Labor Day. Be safe, enjoy, enjoy family, friends, relatives, and I have to say, you know, we're not going to split. We're going to grow. We're going to encompass all every [3:41:57, 3:42:17]: all the citizens and into one city and uh the good lord is with us and actually so is capital one within the wall capital one and and so is capital one and so i i appreciate the fact that they've uh they've they've done their due diligence and they said hey we want [3:42:17, 3:42:37]: to make sure we get what's really right for us as well. And for you all the patriots and Americans, I want you to the city's flags and have staff, along with many of the flags around the nation, and honor and respect for John Senator John McCain for his passing. So he's a great American. [3:42:37, 3:42:57]: Military man and a great politician. No matter what party it was, he was a good humanitarian. So uh so just keep him and family in prayers as well. On that note, uh oh well, God bless you all. I gotta read these uh these uh these uh upcoming minutes here on meetings. Council meeting Monday, September tenth. [3:42:57, 3:43:17]: Uh 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chamber. Education Informational Town Hall Tuesday, September 11th, Patriots Days we call it. 7 p.m. at Conveniers Community Clubhouse. New Council meeting Wednesday, September 12th, 5:30 p.m. the City Hall Levi Meeting Room. Main Street Advisory Board meeting Friday, September 14th, 9 a.m. the [3:43:17, 3:43:37]: Levi meeting room. Downtown Development Authority meeting Monday, September 17th, 6 p.m. City Hall Levi Meeting Room. Another education information on Town Hall Wednesday, September 19th, 7 p.m. the Eagles Landing Country Club. Youth Council Advisory Committee meeting Wednesday, September 19th, 630, see the City Hall Levi Meeting Room. [3:43:37, 3:43:57]: Planning Commission meeting Thursday, September 20th, 6 p.m. at the City Hall Council Chamber. Stockbridge Associates and Business Meeting, Thursday, September 27th, 8 a.m. at Test Striping Community Center. And our next council work session is Tuesday, September 25th, 4 p.m. right here in the Levi Conference Room. And upcoming events [3:43:57, 3:44:17]: But uh we've got all one thing with don't trust stop raised, no live campaign, spirit headed by council and thoughts. On that note, we have an executive session, is that correct? Yes, for litigation personnel real estate. Okay. I'll make a motion, sir. So I have [3:44:17, 3:44:26]: Okay. So you made a motion to for go go going executive session. Okay. Anything for the discussion? I'll try to please indicate. [3:44:26, 3:44:34]: Right. [3:44:35, 3:44:37]: [13482.0, 13483.6]: Did you did you see this? [3:44:55, 3:45:15]: Yeah, I uh I mentioned you uh Okay anyway. Yeah. I'm sorry. I didn't know that. [3:45:15, 3:45:17]: Leading round location right. [3:45:19, 3:45:20]: [13530.4, 13542.2]: Yeah that was a good question. That goes to Shane aside. That's Shane aside. [3:45:44, 3:45:54]: Yeah. [3:46:05, 3:46:10]: So again we can do it.