2018-06-27 · City Council · Transcript · Work Session Meeting

--- title: June 27 2018 Work Session Meeting date: 2018-06-27 source: 2018-06-27_June_27_2018_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:01:44, 0:01:46]: Hello, sir. How are we in? [0:01:49, 0:01:52]: Yeah, you machine right. I am doing prime, thank you. [0:01:56, 0:02:16]: I don't think I met you. Or let's see if I don't know what we have, sir. My name is Randy Knighton. I'm city manager, sir. Yes. Oh won the war. Okay. We talked, didn't we? I don't know. I used to run the all these city functions up here. Okay. [0:02:16, 0:02:17]: I lost. [0:02:20, 0:02:40]: I I guess he just got tired of being disgusted. Okay. Alright. We were discussing paying. Okay. And uh he said he was going to give me a copy of the list of streets. Right. And the grading system and everything. Right. And I had a [0:02:40, 0:03:00]: heard back from him or anybody. Okay, the public works director should be here, but you heard from me. Let me give you my my card. Oops. And we will make sure that we get that. Yeah, usually as streets are graded to determine which one's going to be paved each year. Um well say I saw the list when it first came out since [0:03:00, 0:03:20]: Years ago. Okay. And I know where we were on the list, and it oh Mr. Rich Trail Following Subdivision. Mr. Region Creek. Yeah, okay. And we were ahead of a couple of subdivisions that were paved. Okay. And I don't understand why we got to other hand. Okay. I mean you had a grading system, you said, private cutting system. [0:03:20, 0:03:40]: Coming in and done the grading system. But all of a sudden the grading system gets changed because a few influential friends live over here or over there or something like that. That I that I can't speak to honestly. I can I can just tell you from other experiences or in other places that um sometimes cities or counties are [0:03:40, 0:04:00]: grade streets on regular basis. Sometimes they grade them on a more infrequent basis, every two to three years versus every end and out of I've I've seen situations where they're done every year. They're graded every year. Um and during the course of I mean especially if it's if it's five or six years, then they're [0:04:00, 0:04:18]: could be I don't know in this case there could be a road that may have had a certain raid that's gotten worn out because of I don't know truck traffic or something else and then changed that be a bit to the last part. What's what do you what what separation is the reason [0:04:22, 0:04:24]: Still beat you. [0:04:25, 0:04:27]: Oh done, let me think. I'll be right back. [0:07:07, 0:07:15]: Okay, I'm glad I hadn't lost my mind here. I was looking for something. Hey, how are you doing? Sweet. Um [0:07:16, 0:07:36]: About a week ago, I had inquired about this. I don't know what was from, if it was from another citizen or what, but our public workspeople were telling me that Misty Ridge Trail and Creek Creek View Overlook are scheduled to be resurfaced in 2019. And then [0:07:39, 0:07:49]: Somebody had another question about Glenn A. That's something else. This was from our public works director and from the um um [0:07:51, 0:08:11]: From the other general job. It must be the same person, the public works directly. It must be the same person that told me when I was complaining about water standing in the street. The next time it rained to go down there and call him and he would come down there personally look. But it rained on the Saturday and nobody answers during the Saturday. [0:08:11, 0:08:31]: or before nine o'clock in the morning or on weekends nobody's nobody's here. If you email me, sir, I will respond to you on the weekend. I and I can show you several emails. I I've had several experiences with A City Managers, you know. Okay. I know I've been worse to people. I I can show you several emails that I responded to on holidays. [0:08:31, 0:08:51]: weekends nine o'clock ten o'clock at night. I appreciate that and I gotcha. And yeah, email email me and I'll respond to you. So we have water standing on the streets. We have a roll down there, but they miss on hash talk that's on Mystery Ridge Trail. Mystery Ridge Trailbook. Okay. And your trucks ride through there every day. [0:08:51, 0:09:11]: These fancy pickups with air conditioner going, and the people riding them, and you wave them down and try to tell them about the hole right there, well that's not good to tell somebody else. It's always nobody else's responsibility. Alright. Email me. You know, I mean I'll send you an email. [0:09:11, 0:09:31]: Um mystery but that's what I I I knew I had that street name. Probably Richman in my mind and it says scheduled for resurfacing in twenty nineteen. Now I'll our public work director yes. Our public works director comes in, I want to make sure we connect, okay? Yes, excuse me. Yes. [0:09:33, 0:09:45]: Oh that's the same thing. Let me let me come out here just a second. [0:09:45, 0:09:46]: Excuse me, sir. [0:10:40, 0:10:50]: I'm gonna have to get you out of that chair there, you get no I know. It's uh I was losing weight, I was doing so good and and my birthday hit and [0:10:52, 0:11:08]: I just fell off the wagon, so I need to get back into it. You gonna be on the wagon, you gonna be up there on the bait with a heart. You have too much weight on you, man, you look good the last time I saw you. I know, I appreciate that. I I um [0:11:10, 0:11:15]: I gotta get back on the on the training schedule. Yeah. [0:11:16, 0:11:21]: Right there. So I think that we should. [0:11:25, 0:11:27]: Yeah, this opened the window. [0:11:27, 0:11:30]: I've already spent. [0:11:31, 0:11:31]: Yeah. [0:11:32, 0:11:34]: And like the school doesn't exist. [0:11:50, 0:11:58]: [718.5, 723.4]: Um CHS actually uh code for [0:12:05, 0:12:13]: In fact they had a group discussion about it on last Thursday. Mm-hmm. And there were a number of things that were broader. [0:12:14, 0:12:19]: Um during the course of that discussion. [0:12:24, 0:12:25]: Yeah. [0:12:28, 0:12:30]: Hello. [0:12:34, 0:12:35]: What's that? Okay. [0:12:36, 0:12:37]: Yeah. [0:12:40, 0:12:41]: But [0:12:45, 0:12:46]: Are you worse too? [0:12:47, 0:12:57]: Well your horse too. Yeah. I have purposes. Yeah, I've been taking some of my um sinus dreams and I have my actions. [0:13:10, 0:13:14]: That's another thing. Why do you have a whole meeting when it's four o'clock? [0:13:16, 0:13:17]: That's right. [0:13:18, 0:13:24]: Well is it six requirements takes a number of two? [0:13:25, 0:13:45]: Oh this works actually not for and this is the time because people can come in and post it all. Four o'clock any evidence. Four and six on Monday's second Monday of the book. Yes. You only advertise for four o'clock. [0:13:50, 0:14:02]: The city council meetings at six o'clock. Correct, yes. The work on that six o'clock. Correct. Yes, ma'am, I've got that down and said it's a good thing. But don't you think they should have the ability to answer the work session also or was she? [0:14:03, 0:14:05]: Well we can get more. [0:14:15, 0:14:35]: Out of the 215 biologists. None of them thought four o'clock would be a crazy half time. And we're directly within the city of the past. So a lot of them severely affected these are neighborhood. Unfortunately, we don't have any mayors and whatnot. [0:14:35, 0:14:55]: I was saying this takes a long time. [0:14:54, 0:15:05]: [905.0, 925.0]: But I don't understand how Clinty was in seventeen years of live here. But yet we've had major cuts in the street and talking about the show. [0:15:25, 0:15:30]: We don't see anything. [0:15:40, 0:15:45]: Or was it to come in and basically come up here? [0:15:50, 0:16:05]: They can't make them here from the work in order to get to a work session. Yeah, or if they can't get to a work session, you can't do something. [0:16:06, 0:16:24]: Yeah, that's it. [0:16:25, 0:16:32]: [993.7, 995.0]: Thank you. [0:16:40, 0:16:50]: They provided you analysis about the sun. They didn't want to contact the other side. [0:16:55, 0:17:14]: It was enough we and zero zero. [0:17:19, 0:17:20]: And here. [0:17:24, 0:17:30]: Well there. Yeah. What do you think about the game? [0:17:35, 0:17:49]: I still see the other stuff next to the whole menu. I see the ring with the whole menu, but I don't see anything. [0:17:50, 0:17:55]: I see him getting it. [0:17:55, 0:17:57]: Yeah, I'm chart. [0:18:03, 0:18:23]: [1103.2, 1115.0]: Yeah, it's awful. [0:20:15, 0:20:25]: This is the same thing. [0:20:35, 0:20:54]: You gotta find the one in the two. All right, so after four, you want to call a remote order? And the invocation. Uh Councilman Alexander, please sir. Could you please stand? [0:20:55, 0:21:15]: Thank you, Laura, for bringing us here on this great day. And we appreciate all the blessings that you have bestowed upon the city of Stockbridge. Give this council the wisdom and the judgment to make the right decisions in this meeting tonight, leading this city of [0:21:15, 0:21:31]: forward with great vision and great care and compassion for the citizens of Starridge. Amen. Amen. [0:21:33, 0:21:37]: God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:21:40, 0:21:43]: Adam called please. Something in comment. [0:21:45, 0:21:59]: I know he's around somewhere. Councilman Thomas was not an attendance. Councilman Blount. Present. Mayor Orge. Present. Mayor Pro Temp Ant. President Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Robinson? Present. [0:22:00, 0:22:02]: Councilman Thomas. Resent. [0:22:03, 0:22:23]: Thank you. Appreciate that. Uh Council, I mean a motion to adopt the agenda, please. Okay, move, seconded. Third. Okay, there we go. Any discussion? All in favor, please indicate. Okay, great. And will we have a review of the following minutes? Um [0:22:23, 0:22:40]: May 22nd, 2018, and June 16th, excuse me, June 11th, 2018. As well, please review those. See if there's any changes. Will we go to that? If not, we'll be able to approve those at our next full council meeting. [0:22:43, 0:22:46]: That note is the more particular changes. [0:22:46, 0:22:47]: Okay. [0:22:48, 0:22:54]: We will go on to public comments. I don't know if you have any public comments at all. Just a little more. Okay. [0:22:54, 0:22:57]: So please come forward, name and address, please. [0:23:01, 0:23:21]: Thank you, Shell Noble, Your Honor. And I've got two other minutes for records. Number more, 110, Mr. Australia, Mystery Israel, Lowland Subdivision, South Drext Georgia. Thank you, sir. And three minutes is not gonna give me enough time because I hadn't been here in a long time. Okay. Uh my number one concern is uh [0:23:20, 0:23:34]: The street pavement is going up. I can only get stripped over or skipped over on pavement streets in mysterious trail when, you know, other subdivisions seem to jump in front of it. And I just don't understand that. [0:23:39, 0:23:42]: So nobody can provide it. [0:23:43, 0:24:03]: So, you know, maybe you can give some clarity on that. My second issue I wanted to address before you is the garbage issue that we got going on there. When you cut a limb down, or somebody cuts a limb down there fry, if they cut it down on the weekend, it takes another full week. [0:24:03, 0:24:05]: So then we're gonna get there and take it up. [0:24:05, 0:24:25]: Now they're laying out in the street, they're dead, they're impeding traffic and everything, but we can't get it picked up for a week or maybe two weeks, according to where they want to pick it up. When my call over waste management and waste engine, it takes an average of 35 minutes to get fruit. [0:24:26, 0:24:35]: Now that's you know, average person don't have that kind of time. I'm retired. I can sit there on the phone and listen to that female music that they play. [0:24:35, 0:24:37]: But it takes thirty-five minutes. [0:24:38, 0:24:43]: And when you get through, you can't tell them to pick up two addresses, and you can tell them to pick up one. [0:24:44, 0:24:45]: And one out. [0:24:46, 0:24:48]: So you have to hang up. [0:24:48, 0:25:05]: Wait a couple hours and call back again. They say they have 40 operators over there. I get the same person every time I call. And that is virtually impossible to have 40 operators and get the same person that answers the phone every time you call. [0:25:05, 0:25:16]: Now I d I don't understand it. We're supposed to have somebody to come around and, you know, try to keep the neighborhood up and everything like that. We try our best, but we can't get no cooperation of it. [0:25:16, 0:25:35]: And we can't get to street swept. You know, sweep comes through maybe once every s six months, two years. You know, I mean, you know, it's a very escape. And it's very easy to, you know, you can sweep every street and soft bridge here in two weeks. Easy. [0:25:36, 0:25:39]: And I I just don't understand things like that. [0:25:40, 0:25:42]: You you can't find nobody to give you an answer. [0:25:44, 0:26:00]: And you know I haven't been here a long time because I got virtually fed up with everything I got told. Mr. Yansick used to come with me all the time. He says, you know, he's had it. He just said, you know, nobody I talked to him, everything he's told is something new. [0:26:00, 0:26:20]: And I look in, I read the paper, you know, we got transparency and everything like that. And it looks like it's coming behind the great. I just don't see it. So my three minutes are up. Okay. And uh thank you for listening to it. I I make a motion to give a couple more minutes. Wait to see you back out. Thank you. [0:26:20, 0:26:28]: I motion to give him a couple more minutes if he has time for additional comments. [0:26:28, 0:26:30]: Yeah, but all the cancer. [0:26:31, 0:26:35]: Next comment please. The camera is Vail. [0:26:40, 0:26:46]: Hi, my name is Tamara Hisbell. I'm president of the Wildland Homeowners Association. I've lived in stock breaks for 17 years. [0:26:47, 0:27:07]: And I have been the Homeowners Association president for about 14 years. Nobody else wants the job. Um, I know several of you are aware of aware of me through emails. This is my first time that I've been allowed to get off work in time enough to be present. So I know I'm wasting my three minutes with that new. [0:27:07, 0:27:27]: But I want to make sure you know. My first question does kind of go along with the paving. I've lived in Stockbridge 17 years. Out of those 17 years, Glen Adding, every street in Glen Adding has been resurfaced three times. Now, I have gotten with the Georgia DOT. [0:27:27, 0:27:47]: I've gotten with C.W. Matthews, which most of you know is the largest paving contractor in the state of Georgia, and I have gotten with several municipalities to find out what their paving standards are for their streets to be repaid. Because as of this morning, I've gotten no reply from anyone within the city. [0:27:47, 0:28:07]: City of Stockbridge. I understand y'all were all on retreat or training and everything, but getting this document should be very easy. I do have here what I was told are the standards that most municipalities, CW Matthews and the DOT, expect when city streets are being [0:28:07, 0:28:27]: Evaluated to be repaid. So I have this available for y'all or nothing, but it does concern me, and I can't answer my homeowners because I can't get an answer from my city council or from any division of my city council, such as the city manager, um. [0:28:27, 0:28:35]: I've never addressed public works, so I can't say from this gentleman here. But from my account, we have flipped public works directors. [0:28:35, 0:28:36]: Several times. [0:28:37, 0:28:44]: So that's one of my main concerns. Another concern I have is we have a home, 173 Burke Street. [0:28:45, 0:29:05]: Um I still don't know the results of the June eleventh court case. Is it zoned a home or an office? It was brought to my attention because this is directly across the street from a city library where children are at, a large city car clerk, where children are at and our Moral Manners Conference Center, which [0:29:04, 0:29:16]: I'll be honest with you, when my son's graduation party came up and I had over 300 guests, I would not book Bermanders because the first thing you see is this house. [0:29:16, 0:29:31]: This quote under construction. It has been under construction for two and a half years. Now, the city cur the permit was turned over to the city of Stockbridge November of 2017. There was not another permit issued. [0:29:32, 0:29:36]: No one knew of a permit for this. No one in buildings. [0:29:36, 0:29:45]: And I spent a day calling to find out. No one knew. So now we have a building that is an office slash home. [0:29:47, 0:29:48]: And then three minutes. [0:29:50, 0:30:10]: So that's one of my own. Yes. Yeah, it I would ask if we can give her a little more time. She did say she left work, um, and I would think that we would allow that. Certainly. Is this okay? Any further discussion? All favor giving Miss Isabel more time. All right, there you have it. All right. This home it has [0:30:10, 0:30:19]: As bricks stacked up, the sediment fences have fallen, so you've got erosion coming both into a property next door and into [0:30:19, 0:30:39]: The uh buildings behind Merlmanders, the little building that's right there, I believe, where they keep the management for Merlmanders. So you've got sediment erosion and everything. But yet our code enforcement looked at this and told me that it was in perfect compliance. There was nothing wrong. When I showed the picture to several citizens, they were all [0:30:39, 0:30:55]: concerned about this because let's be fake children wander and this is a perfect place for them to wander. As of today, I am five foot tall, the grass comes to my knees. The bricks are still out there. There is no permit visible. [0:30:57, 0:30:59]: There is no silk fence up. [0:30:59, 0:31:01]: And nothing has been done. [0:31:01, 0:31:04]: Then we move on to 148 Chai Street. [0:31:04, 0:31:10]: which is across the street from an elementary school. It burned out in January of twenty seventeen. [0:31:10, 0:31:12]: It is still burnt. [0:31:12, 0:31:13]: Nothing has been done. [0:31:14, 0:31:15]: It's been boarded up. [0:31:17, 0:31:19]: Not boarded up enough to where you can't get in it. [0:31:20, 0:31:23]: Across the street from an em uh elementary school. [0:31:24, 0:31:28]: Then we have um with my other one. [0:31:30, 0:31:43]: 173 Burke is there, 148 High. There's another one on Dayton Street that has been burned out also. It's been burned out for three years. And I have reported to y'all that vagrants are now living in it. [0:31:44, 0:31:50]: The court cases have been delayed over and over and over. But guess what? Now that property is up for sale. [0:31:52, 0:31:53]: Then we get to parking. [0:31:54, 0:32:06]: Now previous zoning, planning and zoning allowed a subwalk a sidewalk community to be placed within the city limits of Stockbridge. It's called Wildwood Subdivision. [0:32:07, 0:32:27]: We as a homeowners association did everything your past administration told us to do. And I'm sorry, but some of you council members are part of that past administration. You're not all brand new. We did everything. We put the signs up. We begged y'all for speed breakers, which we've only received three of the six that you promised. [0:32:28, 0:32:32]: We did everything possible. Now we have no one to help us. [0:32:33, 0:32:41]: And if you park a car on one side and you park a car on the other side, right winded, an ambulance, a fire truck cannot get through. [0:32:42, 0:32:47]: And my subdivision has a large population of retired people. [0:32:48, 0:32:56]: Diabetes. I know of one instance that the ambulance actually had to turn around and go back in through the other entrance to get to the lady. [0:32:58, 0:33:09]: And now I've been told that some subdivisions are going to be excluded from the new parking ordinance that is supposedly under review. [0:33:11, 0:33:14]: We're here to work with y'all, but y'all are not working with us. [0:33:15, 0:33:23]: Okay. I'm not going anywhere. I got off work and took two hours out of my pay to be here. [0:33:23, 0:33:30]: I just need to concurrent address on the one ten Mr. Rich um Burke. One seventy three Burke. Okay. [0:33:31, 0:33:46]: 173 Burke, 148 TI. And I apologize, I would give you the other address. I do have it for the other burnt out phone. It's on Davis Drive and it's right across from Clark Park. [0:33:46, 0:34:06]: Aaron I'm Craig. Okay. On the ones that one second, please. On the on the two individuals that uh in preference to all your comments, we'll make a point to the staff to get back to you on all those particular issues. Uh and we'll get back to you on that and we'll make some updates and you'll be surprised of the outcome that we'll have to give you a good possible outcome. [0:34:06, 0:34:09]: Okay, is this usually? Okay. [0:34:10, 0:34:30]: Is that RT? That's fine. I to be honest with you, sir, I'm waiting for updates from when I email I you're included in my email. If I may go ahead and um we'll provide responses to all of those items within seven days. Okay, good deal. Is that fine? Okay. [0:34:30, 0:34:50]: I guess what we have here no more public comments. Okay, this is an appeal to the mayor of council. Um I guess Camilla, you're going to present this to us. Oh, you think here? Ms. Peterson? Mr. Peterson? Yes. Mr. Peterson's right there. 30, 57 G saidwood. [0:34:50, 0:34:59]: Fairview Road and the request for denial. Okay, this is uh initial request denial for a visit permit. And 1300 Rum Creek Parkway here stop. [0:35:04, 0:35:24]: Okay, um I think we're here today to hear Mr. Peterson. Okay. And what I would like to uh do first is um have Mr. Peterson come before Mayor Council and make his appeal. Okay. And the staff will follow up with uh history of what has transpired so that Mayor Council can make it [0:35:24, 0:35:32]: Okay. Mr. Peter, please come in like that. And Mr. Mayor, for orientation purposes, you can start his match for each person. All right. [0:35:33, 0:35:34]: Along there. [0:35:37, 0:35:38]: Yeah, yeah. [0:35:43, 0:35:44]: Yeah. [0:35:45, 0:35:47]: Yes, we need to run this. [0:35:48, 0:35:50]: No, I didn't I can't drill it. [0:36:10, 0:36:16]: An online area leave from the Freedom Parkway is the area in question. [0:36:17, 0:36:19]: Short one is a short one. [0:36:20, 0:36:23]: Uh you can have a you can have a [0:36:37, 0:36:57]: I want to start by apologizing first of all on how the things started out in the beginning. It was a little back and forth for a few or so. Um one second, please. Please, if you if you could take my side late. [0:36:57, 0:37:17]: Take them outside the room because it's a small room if you want to talk about it. Yeah, and procedure limit. Uh is there a time? There there's no specific requirement. Um Mr. Mayor, if I may, uh you all have imposed a moratorium on any truck-related uh establishments and in the [0:37:17, 0:37:37]: The resolution you provided for an exemption um from the uh requirements of that moratorium. And so the applicant here seeking uh an exemption for personal to that specific car route in your moratorium. So in the the resolution there's no specific process, it's just [0:37:37, 0:37:39]: Thank you, sir. [0:37:41, 0:38:01]: So um it takes to imagine to get the point across the supposed. Yes sir. Um so I just want to apologize to anybody who was coming up and so forth, um about how I started. Um I was trained to the to this industry and this is my first time developing a piece of property. And um so just going forward. [0:38:01, 0:38:21]: with that. It's been um a year now since I started this project. Actually Mike Williams, the city attorney, actually gave us a somewhat green light of what was needed to be done next in um in December. And then the next, and then they proposed a more retardable [0:38:21, 0:38:41]: The next week out of that. So that's what Moratorium came because of this truck stop. So he actually uh suggested that we do a truck stop and not a truck terminal, meaning that we can house trucks, dispense fuel to them and oil and that'll get the rest, and they move forward. So this is the property that we speak. [0:38:41, 0:39:01]: but uh this one here it's on off the corner road or lead street. Um that's it's best in two acres. We just wanted to put a fence, uh maybe even grabble or recycle uh asphalt to put down to allow the truck to good surface to park on uh no buildings at this time it is [0:39:00, 0:39:20]: zone and one. We do have the zoning. And these are a few pictures. Actually this is the one from our area, but the other pictures are actually from other truck stops. One that's particular that's on our street and the rest of them are surrounded less than a mile away. [0:39:20, 0:39:36]: Are any of these numbers so when if you show something that we got the right point as we look at this, please? This first one is round three, that's the one that uh actually designed on. Okay. It says 103, I'm sorry, I should put some. [0:39:39, 0:39:56]: And then a few of them are uh just around the uh areas that are doing the same thing that we are actually doing. This is this is Brock Court. Uh truck stop, a bigger one down there uh by the fire station. Can you see it? Yes, this is [0:39:57, 0:40:17]: So all these um businesses that we are trying to do is actually similar to what they are doing. I have one in stock um in Ellenwood for like five years, during Playton County. Sold down the Metro Trailer, brought my new business down here in Stock Business, so I started battling down here in Stockbridge a year. So I have experience in, I've done it before. [0:40:17, 0:40:20]: Uh and uh fair county. [0:40:20, 0:40:30]: Alright. And then we have another one that's also the songwalk for that would be seen. That would be seen. That would be seen. [0:40:31, 0:40:36]: And that's the one that's right now on a power. No fencing, no garage, we'll just sit there. [0:40:37, 0:40:57]: No, no, I no I don't. Okay. Your your your business, your proposal business run on Rump Creek. The first the rest of them the rest of them you're just showing us examples of where this these this type of truck stops or rest place so we get an idea of what you're referring to. Right. Okay. [0:40:57, 0:41:17]: Okay. Now the last one you just you just pulled up, that was where now? Um we've got to make sure the council's with you now. All these are less than a mile from my location. Scooby now? All these are less than a mile. Okay. And it's countries. I've brought court. All of them are in southwest. Well she's I think she's gonna go take a make sure. [0:41:16, 0:41:36]: It's it's it's supposed to be the right one. Alpha rounds the series on uh property as well. It's just three director problems. [0:41:36, 0:41:56]: Right. We are directly across the street from them. So we actually behind that new apartment building on the surface in the industrial park. It's off off the beaten pad. Yeah, but I'll be streaming to be around. [0:41:56, 0:42:16]: And this is um, I guess this could be C. This is a business that's already talking about right now. This is C this is a pine truck business that's right here uh On Rome Creek at the beginning when you first come into this industrial park. And they've been there sometime. Um they have a grab one of things and they spark the trucks and trails as well. [0:42:16, 0:42:25]: So what I would just give to that is so we're not trying to do anything special more than what they already know pretty much. Okay, on that side. [0:42:25, 0:42:45]: I'm gonna stop for a second because I I I think that that you may have lost some of us. So maybe include me. All right. So what I'm gonna do since John's supposed to meet he mentioned he was what what what do you need questions? What kind of questions do we have for us? Well I we're gonna get into questions now, but we can't do that? I mean I would think that you would fancy. Is he first present? Are you? [0:42:45, 0:43:05]: I'm sorry, you first present some. Oh well, that was just a supposed property, that's what we I've right. That's more than what we try to do. That's in that area. Um okay. On that note, I'll I'll open the council for questions first before she comes, if you don't mind. [0:43:05, 0:43:12]: amounts to you know I'd like to do this first because I think some of us are confused over something. Go ahead and ask what question you need sir. [0:43:12, 0:43:15]: Well my concern with this is [0:43:15, 0:43:21]: forest trucks and we're looking at uh tracker surveying in that area. [0:43:22, 0:43:31]: Uh because you only have two entrances from there, which is off North Henry Boulevard, or if we get off of uh Hudson Hudson Bridge. [0:43:31, 0:43:51]: Now you're talking about a two lane street, but y you're talking about a two-lane street all the way up and I'm I'm curious on if we've done on Rockford Road, I'm I'm curious if we've done any kind of traffic analysis pertaining to that t to now increase even more truck traffic. That's because one of the things that we've we're we're fighting for [0:43:51, 0:43:59]: Now and we're hoping to move forward with is the expansion of Rock Burger Road. And I'm looking at now, if we're bringing in all this truck traffic. [0:43:59, 0:44:19]: Now for emergency vehicles to go up and down Rock Prairie now is a hindrance. I'm just that's that's what I'm looking at for for as a residents of the city of Stockbridge. Is that Rock Prairie itself the world is a hindrance and you only have two entrances? Well but these are two entrances. So you don't you you got entrance off for Eagles Landing? [0:44:19, 0:44:39]: Not to this one, not to to to uh to uh the main property you do, but to this property, there's only one way in the right. But I'm saying this property is off Ron's Creek, which is off of Rock Court Road. And there's only two inches off of Rock Court to get to Rock off Rock Court Road. To get to Rock Court, yeah, yeah. So I thought you were talking about the property. [0:44:39, 0:44:59]: No, so that's my concern. That's my concern. Well, to me also too, uh Huston Bridge, he was like the exit is less than what five minutes from this property. Rather than the big trucks to try to go back through the city, like the dump trucks and all that, traffic from the quarry. Um big trucks don't, it's no need for them to go through the city. Uh 75 south. [0:44:59, 0:45:19]: I'm not talking about an access to Rock Quarry. I'm talking about Rock Quarry Road itself. Yes. We have a we have emergency room entrance onto Rock Quarry, uh off, you know, from the hospital. [0:45:19, 0:45:39]: with the owner of Rock Quarry and I live, not I live aloft of Rock Quarry, and I've seen the hindrances of amalances. People almost going in ditches for the amalances to come through now. And I'm looking at have we done any have we done any uh analysis uh traffic analysis? It's being done. It's being done now. And so for me, I would like to see a traffic anal [0:45:39, 0:45:59]: analysis because to add more vehicles in big big trucks, whether it's coming off of North Henry or Rock Quarry, I just don't want more hindrances for emergency vehicles. That's me. Yes sir. Design for heavy equipment. [0:45:59, 0:46:19]: Um I come in agreement with Council Blount. Um right now we're dealing with safety first um for our citizens and I if you notice by the hospital that is very congested and it's just a safety thing for me. Um and even with the analysis I know we've tried to widen the road. [0:46:19, 0:46:39]: But we're just not there now. Um and safety first is for me. Um more truck traffic, even just more traffic i in itself is just not there yet. Um so I just want to make that comment. That safety first is for me for all of our cities. It's safer to go that way than for to send it back to the city. [0:46:39, 0:46:59]: Well again, like he was saying, the entrance of it, even if you go in that way, the hospital is there. That's the center point of either going this way or that way. And that's where the congestion is there for emergency vehicles. So um I've been living in this area long time myself as well too. Sure. [0:46:59, 0:47:19]: I'm a partner in the project. My name is John Rogers. I live at 3146 Camp Rentro in Beauford, Georgia. Okay. And uh as you're speaking to safety, I just want to bring up a few other points that I'm not sure if anyone in here may be aware of. [0:47:19, 0:47:39]: There are over 200 million trucks running our highways so that we're able to grab something off the shelf when we need it, have it shipped to our doors as we wanted. Part of the problem is that now, starting in April, these trucks have a 10-hour [0:47:39, 0:47:59]: mandated stop pay. And this used to be governed by a manual log system that you basically filled out on your own. And if you got stopped, you show the officer, present your time. Because they don't want you over driving. They don't want you over there sleeping on the highway and drifting off. [0:47:58, 0:48:18]: I'm pretty sure anybody in here that drives has actually felt what that feels like. It's kind of scary. So, in a big truck, times 10, I would imagine. So, what they've done is they now have a GPS system that has to track the time that the truckers drive. Now, it doesn't really matter if you started driving from Cleveland and made it to [0:48:18, 0:48:34]: Atlanta in 10 hours like you planned, or you hit some traffic, or you have a flat tire, you have to have some repair time and some downtime. Whatever that might be, in 10 hours, you have to stop. It's that simple. And here lies the problem. [0:48:34, 0:48:54]: There is nowhere for these truckers to go. So as a result, I I have countless pictures in my phone right now that I can share and show with you. But what happens is those no parking signs all the way up the ramps filled up with trucks. So when the family's coming down the ramp, it's a rainy night, they hide the plane, have it blow up. [0:48:54, 0:49:14]: Out, car gets a little squirrely, they've nowhere to go. The trucks are all up and down the sides of the shoulder of the ramps. They're even on the side of the freeways. They're even filling up the Walmart parking lots. They risk getting booted. I think quickly you can understand where my problem is. You've got 200. [0:49:14, 0:49:34]: Million trucks out there that need to stop and rest on a 10-hour dive. So what we're trying to do is not only understand and work with the concerns you have for the residents who actually live here, but guess what? If those trucks are on those ramps and that person's getting off on their ramp and has a problem with [0:49:35, 0:49:45]: Their car could easily crash into those trucks. There are no parking signs. They park there anyway. I know that there are citations you can give. [0:49:45, 0:50:05]: It's a tough scenario. It's darned if you do and darned if you don't. So what we're trying to bring to light here is you are right. There is traffic problems. Believe me, where I live, there's real serious traffic problems as well. But listen, there's also safety concerns for people getting home to that traffic. [0:50:05, 0:50:25]: And if there's trucks lining those interstates at night and on those ramps and blocking their ability to pull over and have safety on those ramps, I think you all have seen those trucks park there, right? I mean they're there. They're there every night. It's not it's not sometimes, it's every single night they have to be there. The pilot gas stations [0:50:25, 0:50:45]: That they park at all fill up like this now. So this has become a very serious problem and it's going to get serious. Even worse, because there are 400 driving positions, 400,000 driving positions not field turning. So I just wanna bring those safety concerns to your table. [0:50:45, 0:51:05]: Let you realize that there are actually on either side of this comment, there are serious safety concerns because all your citizens are getting off at those ramps to get to Rock Quarry Road where you're concerned about that traffic. I guess if that was the mayor to just my last. This is my last. Yes, ma'am. I I I understand I'm in agreement with all of that you just said. [0:51:05, 0:51:25]: say but I still I guess maybe I should use this word location location location is what we really are because we have our citizens emergency vehicles that location is not at this time the right time for me okay [0:51:25, 0:51:45]: Okay. So you c uh so I I'm pr I'm pretty familiar with I'm I'm familiar with the move that they got now, getting rail to take the trucks from the south up north to eliminate two hundred thousand trucks on the road. I know all this you're talking about. I read it every day. Okay. [0:51:45, 0:51:50]: But we have to understand that small municipalities are not the solution. [0:51:50, 0:52:10]: We have to understand that going down and changing these rules and regulations and laws is the solution. When we talk about influxing trucks into communities and through small municipalities, that's not the solution, in my opinion. Now we're doing a traffic analysis analysis, and I don't know when that's going to be available, but I'm not a [0:52:10, 0:52:30]: against it. Let me let me make that clear. I'm not against it because I do understand. I have I understand that when I see these DOTs and officers in these different areas one by one every morning pulling these you know, getting behind the trucks and saying, Hey, you gotta get up and out there is somewhere you have to go, but I I I truly believe that small and this colors are not the solution. It's lobbying [0:52:30, 0:52:50]: Getting lobbies down under the dome to get them uh uh at the state uh at the uh on the state uh under the legislators at the uh uh in DC to change these rules when it comes to ERBs, electronic uh logging devices. Because it's not fair to own operators and all these different people it's it's designed [0:52:50, 0:53:05]: big companies to eliminate those those smaller businesses. But we have to understand what's the the parameters of what's happening here is that small municipalities and these small streets in these different uh areas are not the solution. [0:53:06, 0:53:26]: Because the dynamics of what we're dealing with in our cities, although from your perspective, it looks like a good idea and a good place. From our perspective, we're trying to resolve some situations and problems that we see every day pertaining to what's going on in this city. And you all are trying to solve the solution that's going on with you all pertaining to your business. [0:53:26, 0:53:45]: So that's where the conflict come in. So when we get for me, when we get these uh analysis going on and we know that we're gonna be wide in Rock Quarry, then w we understand that that can take that traffic, but right now, it it it it puts a danger in. I'm not just talking about immersive vehicles, it puts a danger in when you don't have enough track we don't have enough traffic lights on Rock Quarry. [0:53:45, 0:53:53]: For one thing. So you're talking moving vehicles, it that's not a divided highway that's coming in. It it's not a divided lane that [0:53:53, 0:54:06]: It it would create something bigger than this city needs in my opinion right now without everything else in place. Not to not to remove the idea say a good spot, but right now for me [0:54:06, 0:54:13]: it it creates more than the city needs, but it but you still have a bigger problem towards a a big a business owner. [0:54:14, 0:54:34]: I think my colleagues have pretty much nailed it. I think Jackie Ms. Blount have been in the truck and I've been in it too. I feel your pain in that um you uh there does need to be some parking issues parking for the trucks. But with the congestion of Rock Torrey Road right now, uh I I [0:54:34, 0:54:54]: I can't imagine how our citizens would have clearly told us with everything that they can that they don't want to see that and for this council to override the will of the public at this point we just it all of us would be uh looking for new opportunities post making that such a decision. But I I just really at this [0:54:54, 0:55:14]: point I think we won't kind of bring in the rules in ten minutes forward, ten minutes against, and go ahead and hear from staff so we can kind of move to the next one. If you're done two comments, are you anything else? I'm just saying we just need to no but I'm I gotta do something else first. I got this okay now way please thank you Mr. Mayor uh sir what you're [0:55:13, 0:55:20]: from this council is the sentiment of all of us. I've worked in the trucking industry myself. [0:55:20, 0:55:40]: There is a need for what you're asking for. As uh Councilman Robinson and it's the wrong location for that. The traffic issue that's been raised is legitimate and really true. The car plan, the land use plan, all of these things, these are the things that we have to consider. [0:55:40, 0:56:00]: For airplane that comes to us, and we have to look long range. This would not fit into the City of Stockton's long-range plan. We have a historical trail that's but right into that, and we're trying to enhance that for tourism. That would not work in that. [0:56:00, 0:56:06]: Lining of rock flory road, it's not gonna work into that. I would suggest [0:56:06, 0:56:08]: If you can find another location [0:56:09, 0:56:11]: and come back to us. [0:56:11, 0:56:30]: But from what you hear, the location is not going to be the right location for us. Uh is there any location that's designated that would allow for this type of thing without speculation? Uh do you guys have an overlay that says, hey, we'd allow it here, but none of these places? [0:56:30, 0:56:50]: Is there somewhere we can do that? I don't know if you're not I don't know if right now the council's gonna answer that question, but I'll tell you what we'll do. Yes. If you don't mind, I'll let the uh staff finish the do the portion here. I'm pretty sure there might be some more additional questions or whatnot, and we'll go down and we'll probably get to that point. We'll see if we can answer that, okay? All right, very well. I'm sorry, do you have something you want to say? Yeah, yes. I I just have uh uh [0:56:50, 0:57:10]: Uh bas basically a comment about staff, if the council has already stated that they are against and the and the staff is um recommending that right now we hold off on something like this, then I don't know why the staff needs to predict that. Because I like I like to actually give them I like to actually give them an opportunity to speak [0:57:10, 0:57:30]: probably have something else in the net we may not touch. In addition to that, I would I would like for the staff to um honor the list of these two gentlemen here and help them by chance if you can if you know of any locations that they possibly can have this have this opportunity here in Stock region I would love to [0:57:30, 0:57:50]: to help them. It's it's always been one of the very in the justice apart. Well the right now as far as counseling as as far as I'm concerned I concur with the rest of my colleagues. It's not the right location. It's near a retirement home I mean an elderly home location. It's a two lane road [0:57:50, 0:58:10]: with if it that needs to be why it's near a hospital and it's just not properly. If I might just give one sixty second comment to that. Our core customer is not the customer who is coming off of the interstate every single night. [0:58:10, 0:58:30]: There needs to be relief for those guys. Our core customer has a truck that he drives. He lives in one of the neighborhoods that these people were listening or are speaking on earlier. Cannot bring the truck there. He has no reprieve while he's out on the road for a whole week or more and he wants to come back through and see his family for a while. [0:58:30, 0:58:50]: He needs a place that he can call home for his truck. 75 to 80, even plus percent of the time, those vehicles are out on the road. And when they come back home for a visit, anybody that's been in the trucking business really understands how this resonates. You need a place where you can put your car, jump in your [0:58:50, 0:59:10]: Your truck and get out on the road and make your money. And in a week or so when you get home, come back, swap the vehicles, go to the house, and have a safe, secure place for your vehicle to rest. Those are our primary customers, 90% of them. We were hoping to help get into the other side where maybe we could actually find some relief for those. [0:59:10, 0:59:30]: Drivers who can't find a place to park every night. But it doesn't have to be that way. We want to be able to service the people that actually do live in your community, who share your concerns, who actually drive up and down that road and live in these neighborhoods and pay the taxes that run this community as well. Those people need some consideration as well. They have [0:59:30, 0:59:50]: Not enough room to park their vehicles. They genuinely need a space and we're trying to help them get there, not make more traffic problems. Our customers that we've had in the past basically don't sit there in and out, in and out, in and out all night. It's an occasional visit. [0:59:50, 1:00:10]: Maybe four to five times a month on that. All right, thank you. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Just for the record and for legal purposes, staff brings before you why you recommend that you not remove the moratorium. Well one, as you know, the city's in the process of being a [1:00:10, 1:00:30]: Land use. And while the current zoning is M1, it is our belief that that particular land use is not consistent with what is proposed or exists on the land today. For example, at one point in time, Rock Ford World was supposed to be widened. As we're all aware, the funding for the widening of that road. [1:00:29, 1:00:49]: Is no longer on the table by the car, by the state, or by the city. So therefore, from a traffic perspective, you have from a four-lane, either on in Eagles Landing or on North Henry going into a two-lane road. So therefore, either you're going to deal with congestions by the hospital, the elderly, or by the school. [1:00:49, 1:01:09]: System here. So based on that, it was our recommendation that we allow the comprehensive plan process to be complete as we work through the ponds and the consultants to look at our traffic pattern on all of our roads to determine the best and most reasonable land use for those parcels on rock. [1:01:09, 1:01:29]: With that being said, we recommend that you do not lift the moratorium, that the moratorium stays in place until the city is able to complete its comp plan and you adopt it and approve it. And in addition to that, there is a history. I don't think we need to go into this point, but if you have any questions from the court system, from code enforcement, [1:01:29, 1:01:49]: From Elida and myself. We're here to talk about the history of that. But based on where we are right now, staff doesn't know if that's necessary. But that is our recommendation for the record. Maybe wait, I'll make a motion to deny this request and to move forward. I thank it. Okay. So the motion is made the second is there further discussion. [1:01:49, 1:02:09]: Yeah, before we go, I just want to make it clear to the to the advocate is that we're not against and we I feel your claim and I'm pretty sure Council Alexander feel what you're going through because we've been in transportation is that for the city's stop rich right now for what we're going through right now, what we're trying to develop and what we're trying [1:02:09, 1:02:18]: trying to and I can't plan and all this stuff. It just we're trying to do some things that that this wouldn't be right for right now. [1:02:19, 1:02:22]: We want to have some other uses for the land. [1:02:22, 1:02:42]: Well I would have to have you that that regular questions. Right. What I can do is set up a meeting with him and we can talk about some existing uses that do not conflict with the moratorium. Okay, that would go along with the lines of sorry whether you have whether or not there's something other uh uh besides this location in coming up. Okay, good. And the traffic pattern study it's already asked before. [1:02:42, 1:03:02]: Do you have an idea when that would be well we don't know as you know we're still going through the con plan process with Ponds on uh Friday for us to get because they're doing the traffic portion of the conc plan to talk about you know all of our roles of what numbers they've gotten and what we're looking at in terms of the recommendations. Okay, thank you. Any other questions or discussion for? [1:03:02, 1:03:22]: Yes, sir, go ahead. Before the vote, I just want to say to the gentleman also that as Mrs. Moore indicated as our comp plan, we are attempting to bring industry into the city of Factory and into the county. [1:03:22, 1:03:42]: So therefore, yes, we are looking at opportunities for truckers to come and have a place to rest because all of us can agree when we're out on the highway and if you have a tired trucker driver, we are all concerned. So make no mistake about that. So within the larger scheme of things. [1:03:42, 1:04:02]: Yes, that needs to be a place where you all can do just exactly what you understand that you want to do. So make no mistake, we're looking at this, but if we're just looking at it from a different lens. Well, one second, so once but do me a favor, why don't you come back over here to the side? Sure. [1:04:02, 1:04:06]: Both of you if you need it if you need if you want it to respond to that. [1:04:06, 1:04:26]: Yeah, I I I just want to try to understand how do we cooperate with where it is you feel might be presentable for us to to pursue this. Uh I will contact Mr. Listen to the point and we'll look at the land use. [1:04:26, 1:04:32]: And we'll see where the land use is currently, which a moratorium doesn't exist, that may be applicable. [1:04:33, 1:04:53]: That'd be perfect. I would appreciate that. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Okay. Okay. In other discussion, motions on the floor. Please uh well ask for the vote. Uh are you in favor of the motion or not? Okay. It's unanimous. Okay, goodness. Thank you. All right. Uh next is uh council consideration of the medicine. [1:04:53, 1:05:13]: Aprovechation policy, Mr. Williams. I believe you have Mr. I'm sorry, Council considered to approve resolution to move forward with the RFP on the old fire station located at ML Senior Heritage Trail. Yes, Mayor and Council. As you know when you retreat you established for already to first project. [1:05:13, 1:05:33]: That you wanted the staff to pursue. This particular item is actually the RFP to be met on the screen for creative ideas in terms of what could possibly be done with existing fire stations. And the RFP would speak to two uses, one as a commercial use and the other one as an office institutional. [1:05:33, 1:05:53]: And so we're asking that you approve the resolution parcel deck this next week so that we can get ideas back as to how those two uses can run to that city side. Okay. [1:05:53, 1:06:13]: Do we have something we have people here? Do we have like something or that we might be able to display for them or to kind of show them what we're talking about? [1:06:13, 1:06:33]: about because we've been talking about it but they don't really know what we do have collects uh I apologize because it was just a resolution in the in the future. Yeah uh we'll be more than happy to bring the items that we're talking about for the RFP. Okay, cool. And what we can do uh for the citizens we can put it up on the website um so that you can view it [1:06:33, 1:06:53]: It's the fire station beside Titch or that's on that video. Yeah, let me please work. Yes, we're talking about the fire station that's uh right there. Uh we had um is it okay to talk about it, Mr. Williams, at this point? Well we own the fire station [1:06:52, 1:07:12]: I'm I don't want to d divulge anything that I shouldn't be divulged, okay? So we own that and so you know the question is do you wanna make some changes to that you could discuss that? Right. So what we're planning on doing is actually you know how uh we got some quite a few concepts out there. You know how you go to the McDonough and you see there [1:07:12, 1:07:32]: Welcome center. Stockbridge does not currently have that. We saw a multi-purse purpose center that we had previously seen that could house several different functions in the city. Maybe the Main Street program, perhaps, maybe a coffee shop or something. [1:07:32, 1:07:52]: Something like that to attract additional foot traffic to come down to the city. This is one of the projects that I'm really excited about because it gives us an opportunity to put some type of a destination spot in downtown and to actually berth the downtown and provide complementary businesses. [1:07:52, 1:08:12]: To Bar Beautiful, which was added downtown. So we'll have that old downtown feel again, and you have a reason to actually go to downtown in that area, hoping to spur some additional economic activity. Thank you, Mayor. Ms. Moore, one question about the RP. [1:08:12, 1:08:32]: RP well maybe a couple but okay one. The R and P um will be to any developers to come up with a concept for the fire station, correct? Correct. And once those RPs come back with that their plan, they are to come all of them are to come back to council for review, is that not correct? [1:08:32, 1:08:52]: Okay, and that then we will from there take it and discuss which one we are. Right. And it does we're asking them to get creative creative ideas for two uses. One is for commercial, because I think you talked about having a restaurant of some type, and the other will be a separate use for office space for the DDS. [1:08:52, 1:08:57]: for Main Street or for any other office space that may be relevant. [1:08:58, 1:09:18]: Okay, you have a question to the council. I I do. Um at one is there a point we're gonna have our citizens involved to where they can have input on anything that we're doing about you. I mean once we get the RFP back with correct, if if it is your desire, you know, once you pick your top three, your top two to actually have [1:09:18, 1:09:38]: have um citizens that they comments. I mean that's totally up to you. I would like to do that because this is their city and I would like for them to be engaged to have input. Um I know the council is here but at the same time they may see something we don't see so then maybe I would ask my colleagues to include um the citizens in whatever we do. [1:09:38, 1:09:45]: um in our downtown because this is, you know, the city belongs to all of us. So if that can be done, I would appreciate it. [1:09:46, 1:10:06]: Any other comments or questions? So um we don't have do we put have a motion on the floor yet? No, I think so. I need to do a motion. Okay, so it's a motion. All right. There we go. Any further discussion? All in favor, please? Okay. Good. Thank you. All right, uh now Mr. Wayne's. [1:10:06, 1:10:09]: Asselation's population costs. [1:10:10, 1:10:30]: Mr. Mayor, um it has been discussed uh among uh a number of folks um the clarification of our proclamation proclamations policy um so that there's no uh ambiguity about sort of what is or is not a proclamation, when our proclamations be issued, who [1:10:30, 1:10:50]: Is to be uh part of the proclamation ceremony. Um and so really, you know, we're I guess staff level we're coming back to the council was to to raise the issue and seek some guidance as to what is it that you want uh in the policy. Um you have um [1:10:49, 1:11:09]: Currently is for any proclamation that's issued at a council meeting, only the mayor or the mayor protends, the mayor's absence reads it, is sort of a ceremonial officer for that proclamation. But if it's not a council meeting, [1:11:09, 1:11:29]: But it's in the council chambers, should that be treated the same way, regardless of whose proclamations, who is for, or who is generating it? So that that is the question that I think we need for you all to resolve for us. And then the timing issue. [1:11:29, 1:11:49]: Because uh I guess last year under the previous mayor, um all the proclamations were done before the meeting. Um and so if you want to do that or you want to make sure you just get the pictures before the meeting, all those sorts of questions, we just need to make sure we understand clearly what what policy do you want. [1:11:49, 1:12:09]: want so we can help you all maintain adherence to that policy. Okay. Let's start this. Mr. Mayor, I mean I'm not familiar with any of this. I wasn't part of the conversation. You said you had with several people, uh a couple of people, so I'm not familiar with this. But I do say whatever we do, it needs to be consistent. [1:12:09, 1:12:20]: with it. Um and it and we can't go keep changing policies just because it doesn't fit a certain person. [1:12:20, 1:12:40]: So I hope going forward that whatever we do, this council can be consistent. Um I know we said and changed it from one time when we had Mayor Neal, now we have Mayor Ford. I mean, we just need some consistency. So um I I'm kind of confused that when you were saying [1:12:40, 1:13:00]: proclamation because to my understanding proclamation is the mayor's does the presentation anyway with a proclamation. Now record uh accommodation, letter accommodation that is different than an individual council member can do that either off-site. Um so I'm [1:13:00, 1:13:20]: just kind of confused it while where we are with this right here today. Well and that then that's part of our confusion. I mean you know if we if you say everything is a proclamation then everything would be covered under this but some things again like you said if it's a letter of congratulations a letter of something then you know presumably [1:13:20, 1:13:40]: Council members should be able to do those in their capacity, send them to live however. But if you have a ceremony here that's in hall, should that be covered under the policy? Um we just need to know from you all what you want for us to help you. So what is an employment? [1:13:40, 1:13:48]: Elected officials, as an elected body, an elected official by the people, we have the right to use City Hall. Am I correct? [1:13:49, 1:14:09]: Yeah. We have that right in to use city all for for meetings and all that. Yeah, I'm I'm the way the policy is written, I'm fine with the policy. Only thing that I two things is with the proclamation, because that was a time when uh the mayor was wasn't in time. [1:14:09, 1:14:29]: wasn't gonna be in town and uh mayor pro tem she had had her accident. So I'm I'm I'm fine with the mayor continually doing the proclamations, but if there's a time when he's not available to have whoever he or whatever the proclamation to have a designation if the mayor pro tem is not available. [1:14:29, 1:14:49]: That he ha he could designate any council member whoever to do the proclamation, but that comes from the mayor. The reason I want to see the proclamations and the ceremonials done prior to council meetings, but be because when we talk about the citizens, the citizens that are getting these, that are doing the ceremonials, they leave. [1:14:49, 1:15:09]: After the ceremonials. So the people that are getting proclamations are not there for the council meeting. And the people that are for the council meetings are not there for the ceremonials. We do do the ceremonials and announcements in our the mayor does them in his remarks. So why combine the two to all actually prolong a council meeting? [1:15:09, 1:15:29]: When these ceremonials, I don't care if you do 20, but let them be done prior to the council meeting because the two I ideologies of the two groups are not on the same page. One is there for the council meetings, one is there for a ceremony, and why we shouldn't I don't think we should combine the two. [1:15:29, 1:15:49]: For a whole year under J Mayor Neal, uh, if we wanted to change this, we could have changed it as a council because everybody's here was here except for Councilman Thomas. So if these if we wasn't okay with this being done prior to council meetings, then we had the power as a council to change it then. But if it worked for a whole year, [1:15:49, 1:16:09]: And it was done that way, and we're talking about the citizens, not the presenter, but the citizens, then it worked for the citizen because the ones that came for a council meetings, a lot of times when the meetings aren't that wasn't that long, they were still there when we came out of the executive session. But we're going to prolong meetings with ceremonials. We can guarantee most of the time nobody. [1:16:09, 1:16:13]: gonna be there when we can't have executive sessions, even if we have short sessions. [1:16:14, 1:16:34]: I just say we have those ceremonies prior to the council meeting because the the the idea of the citizens are conflicting each other. They're not there for ceremonies. The ones that come for council meetings, the ones that are doing ceremonies are not there for the council meetings. They leave. I will tell you that um uh I don't particularly [1:16:34, 1:16:54]: Particularly care for, didn't have to care for the last year under Mayor Neil that we gave you from prior to the proclamations, because everybody's name is on the proclamations. And when I read those proclamations, I always indicate you can you know I've always done this. I said I signed it, the clerk signs this. Alright, that's a that's a special recognition. Now, granted, when when you give out a proclamation. [1:16:54, 1:17:14]: The people that receive a proclamation are there, yes. That there are times though that other people come to the council meetings for other reasons. I I personally like the fact that when you read a proclamation during the course of the meeting itself, that there are other people in the audience to see the recognition that we're given to that individual that we're going to see. [1:17:14, 1:17:34]: It's for the citizens. So I I'm really I'm actually opposed to, it was all last year, opposed to just doing this before the meeting for the proclamation before the meeting, and then you just acknowledge the people that you just gave a proclamation to. I I don't particularly care for it. I think the proclamation should remain part of the actual core meeting. [1:17:34, 1:17:54]: So those people who receive the population are there and people that are coming for the for the other issues that we're talking about, observe this and see this. Now, what I'm what I'd like to see if this is the case, I'd like to see this particular recommendation or or or or uh uh some type of compromise. Whether i if if you if you you want to make something before [1:17:54, 1:18:14]: the meeting, then I'm willing to compromise on the fact, and I know this is not a resolution awarding, so I'm going to vote in but I just give my opinion that we maybe take pictures and uh during before the meeting and the actual reading of the proclamation is done still in the co uh uh within the confines of the meeting itself. Now the other thing I'd like for you to think about is that we have meeting we do this at [1:18:14, 1:18:34]: our main uh major uh council meeting at six o'clock. So I once we get a quoum we have to meet. All right, everybody should be there. Everybody's name's on a proclamation. So I'm thinking that if we're gonna have a proclamation we do them and read them ahead of time at five thirty, that makes that makes me think everybody should be there at five thirty. And that shouldn't just be me and maybe Miss Gantt or two of us. [1:18:34, 1:18:54]: When everybody's name is mentioned, everybody needs to be there for that. Now, granted, I understand that sometimes people might be a little delayed for meetings, so you may not make a meeting. I understand that. Whether it's a work session, special call meeting or regular council meetings. You know, so I really honestly think the proclamation should be done during the course of the meeting because of the special ceremony, especially before the people and the group, anybody else is. [1:18:54, 1:19:14]: There. My compromise would be to take pictures ahead of time and then actually read it and give them the comments at that point. Thank you. Mrs. Mayor. Okay, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I agree with you wholeheartedly because this is my last statement. Um it's only fair and to be respectful to our citizens who are [1:19:13, 1:19:33]: getting these recognitions. The reason being we should all be there as an elected body to show our support because our names are on there. It has been in the past where we, like the mayor said, we only have one or two. And that to me is just is not respecting the honor that we're bestowing on our citizens. [1:19:33, 1:19:53]: So if we're going to do this and hopefully we can compromise, but if this is a change that is going to be made, then I feel this entire elected body needs to be there to honor all of them and not just show up for the 6 o'clock. So we need to keep that in mind. [1:19:53, 1:20:13]: because if not, um that is not being respectful of our citizens and their honor. Thank you. Wait, I was gonna c I don't come back to you though. Well I wanna just say that I concur with the mayor and I concur with Councilwoman Robinson uh that uh you know basically if it ain't broke don't fix it. I don't even understand why we're talking about this. [1:20:13, 1:20:33]: Uh we gave this subject here more time than we gave the citizens to speak. And uh the only thing that I'd like to see is is that maybe we might add some additional proclamations like we had Domestic Violence Awareness Month that was not listed, uh and then we had uh Caribbean Heritage Month. I'd just like to expand it some. [1:20:33, 1:20:53]: I concur with Councilwoman Robinson when she says that the council members were elected to be able to use City Hall for the benefit of the citizens. And I would not like that right to be embargoed or impounded at all because that's something that we do. [1:20:53, 1:21:13]: All of us, uh even though we represent the whole city, have a constituency that we look to, that look to us. And when we when they come to City Hall and we have a letter of recognition or what have you, they expect us to present that to them. It is uh the city, everything from the city should come from the mayor and it's working appropriately. [1:21:13, 1:21:29]: So let's move forward with it. Uh it's not broken. Uh let's not uh tinker with it. What else? Well uh you can work on it, I think. Okay. I I want to say this and make this clear to everybody. [1:21:30, 1:21:35]: From me down, all of us were city council members. [1:21:35, 1:21:38]: from the meeting myself, everyone was sitting council members. [1:21:40, 1:21:42]: The city council set policy. [1:21:42, 1:21:43]: Not the mayor. [1:21:44, 1:21:52]: And when we start using words like not being respectful and all of these things, so what did we do for a whole year when we could have set a policy? [1:21:53, 1:22:04]: to alleviate not have them before the council meeting. We set the parts for all this stuff about disrespecting citizens and all that, that we could have stopped that if that's what it was. [1:22:05, 1:22:25]: But right now we set policies so it wasn't about disrespecting citizens because the ones that are getting proclamations, they got their proclamations. The ones that came for for council meeting, they came to council meeting and got information. So when we talk about policy setting and what what about disrespecting citizens, all of us had a chance to change the policy. [1:22:25, 1:22:28]: was set in place and we did it for a whole year. [1:22:29, 1:22:47]: a whole year and nobody said anything. So right now I'm saying that it worked if it worked then, if it works now, and we need to shorten these council meetings and have the ceremonies before the council meeting, let the city the business of the city be done during the council meetings and everybody may have. [1:22:48, 1:22:53]: Good. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Well I'm not going to get into [1:22:55, 1:22:56]: Just bet. [1:22:58, 1:23:02]: whose building this belong to. Those things are given. [1:23:03, 1:23:18]: My concern is policy and yes, the council has the authority and the responsibility to create policies to make this municipality, this government work smoothly. [1:23:18, 1:23:32]: My problem with all of this is the proclamation as we stand today is time and the number of proclamations that we need to present at any one given council meeting. [1:23:34, 1:23:37]: We're here to do the business of the people. [1:23:39, 1:23:42]: Proclamations are not the business of other people. [1:23:43, 1:24:03]: Proclamation is just a recommendation or a recognizing of organizations and people that have may have done some significant things in the city. But that is not the business of the city. Many folks and the majority of the folks come to be [1:24:03, 1:24:06]: be engaged in the business of the city. [1:24:06, 1:24:11]: Recently I recognized my pastor uh who was retiring. [1:24:12, 1:24:14]: And I intentionally [1:24:14, 1:24:16]: Schedule that for Fire Thirty. [1:24:17, 1:24:21]: And I invited all of those that [1:24:22, 1:24:31]: Wanted to come to be a part of that at 530. So we would not interfere with the business of the city at 6 o'clock. [1:24:31, 1:24:40]: I understand that, yeah, you know, the recipient should have an audience so others can see that. I I I get that. [1:24:41, 1:24:56]: But when we come here at six o'clock and it's seven o'clock almost before we get to the business of the city because we're politicking and we're bringing folks for all just to get a proclamation, I I just have a problem with that. [1:24:57, 1:25:06]: I would even also recommend that on any given night of council meeting that we limit the number of proclamations. [1:25:06, 1:25:11]: having five or six proclamation at any council meeting is just too much. [1:25:12, 1:25:13]: It's too much. [1:25:13, 1:25:19]: I'm about the business of the city, moving this city forward. [1:25:19, 1:25:26]: I could recognize a hundred people on any given council meeting night, but we are not about that. [1:25:27, 1:25:42]: So let's get back to the business of the city. If you have folks that you want to recognize because they're doing great things, yes, this city, this building is available. Come in here at four o'clock, five o'clock, six o'clock. Invite a hundred folks and come in and you do what you do. [1:25:42, 1:25:46]: But let's not waste the citizens' time. [1:25:47, 1:25:49]: With all of these [1:25:49, 1:25:52]: You know, who let's get down to the business. [1:25:53, 1:26:12]: There are a lot of things. We got folks over here that made some comments earlier. We have business that we need to take to. We have ordinances. We got parking in the street. This is the business that we need to be about. Let's get away from this, you know, everybody wanna be out front giving somebody a proclamation. I'm not here for that. [1:26:12, 1:26:32]: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. Thank you, Mayor. Um Mr. Williams, I know you're asking for recommendations, and I think that after hearing all of the council members um and hearing our mayor speak, um you we have an issue about possible limiting proclamation. We have an issue on [1:26:32, 1:26:52]: maybe taking pictures before. We have the issue on whether or not we should start the ceremony at five thirty. Then we have another issue of that I always consider our staff and the time it it takes. I every time I have a meeting, usually at those, I I mark the time that we how long it takes us to discuss which particular issues because that [1:26:52, 1:27:06]: I would challenge all of my colleagues, all the council members and mayor, that we uh not say do behind closed doors, but fix and understand and get to know what the issues are before the meeting and ask the important questions. [1:27:06, 1:27:26]: that we need to ask at the meeting but know the detailed information as much as possible. And having said that, my question to you, Mr. Williams, is whether or not we've looked at other cities practices and is this something we can look into and discuss amongst council when you bring us back the suggestion of a policy and we go re go with it. [1:27:27, 1:27:47]: Um when the original policy was put together in 2016, we did. Um frankly I did not kind of go back and do additional review because I think at this point it's really what a stock rate you want. Um but the original policy was basically [1:27:47, 1:27:49]: [5270.0, 5279.8]: you had indicated you wanted to see and then we looked to other cities to see kind of what their processes were and kind of put that together to present what what's currently possible. [1:28:00, 1:28:04]: Having said that, I do have concerns in regards to [1:28:04, 1:28:24]: timing at the meetings. I do notice that we might start at 6, but we're not done with ceremonials until 645. And a lot of that is getting the groups up, deciding where we're going to take pictures, moving chairs, bringing chairs back, having one group come in, another group, and then we do another acknowledgement right after. [1:28:24, 1:28:44]: That. And so it is repetitive. We do need to streamline it, and if that means bump that portion up to 530 or one one or the other, I'm willing to compromise. I just I think that we need to be considerate of our staff time and the people who are here for their businesses and for their for information about the city. [1:28:44, 1:28:56]: Um I I think we need to be cons taking into consideration actually the honors of those who get proclamations as well. But we we do need it to be streamlined and [1:28:56, 1:28:57]: Yeah, yeah, okay. [1:28:58, 1:29:14]: I'm one of those people that are guilty. If we have at five o'clock, you know, I have two kids and I'm an attorney. I'm not going to be able to get here at five o'clock. And that's okay. Um I I still send my well wishes and the mayor signs off on it and and I mean no harm. And if I can be here, then I'm gonna be here. [1:29:15, 1:29:23]: But you know, five thirty may be that reasonable amount of time. I think it's a good compromise, um and it gets us in and out. [1:29:24, 1:29:27]: And and and we can go on about the the city's business. [1:29:30, 1:29:41]: So otherwise, you've got a bunch of ideas and thoughts here. So you're gonna try to try to compile all that and put it in some type of policy and get it back to us for the two on again. So what's it talking about? [1:29:41, 1:30:01]: Yes, I mean I we we've heard the the points and if I may just recommend the staff put together and bring back I think maybe a compromise or whatever. Um I'm not quite sure as I speak exactly what it will be, but we'll we'll do our best. [1:30:01, 1:30:21]: I mean the compromise seemed to me with the mayor was to take the pictures. Um take the pictures before that way like uh Mayor Frontier Gat said, we don't have to move chairs around. Um because I do like how we when we're starting our meeting, the camera starts and that is to me [1:30:21, 1:30:41]: For the honor of our citizens and the record keeping in the future. Everybody has said what they've said, but I like the compromise, and then we can move forward because we're all here for the people's business, but at the same time, we need to be on the same accord and be consistent. [1:30:41, 1:30:46]: That's where I'm at. We just said we did this in 2016. [1:30:47, 1:30:49]: And now we're here in 2018. [1:30:50, 1:31:10]: So if we can be consistent, then we won't have to waste time like we're wasting now. Because like I said, we have our citizens that were talking their concerns on what they needed and we're just wasting time. So I just want consistency, please. We're spending too much time on this. [1:31:10, 1:31:30]: My recommendation is go ahead and make a motion that we we that we have the policy to have all proclamations done before six o'clock. However, we need the cartel. My motion is to have all proclamations done before six o'clock. I second. Second. Any further discussion? Yes. Go right in, please. I will just simply say, like I said, uh [1:31:30, 1:31:50]: I I think we spent a lot of time talking about this. I really don't see a problem. And honestly, I kind of see things a little bit differently. When personally myself, when we're doing the proclamations, I've never seen us have five proclamations. I always seen us have two or one, uh, maybe three at the most. And what to me that does is it gives working [1:31:50, 1:32:10]: give people a little extra time to get here from work if they want to see an issue before the meet of the meeting. We start a meeting like today we have people who couldn't make it at four. Sometimes people can't make it at six with every kind of traffic that's kind of tough. So, you know, when we get started with the meet of the meeting by six thirty, then you know [1:32:10, 1:32:30]: What the proclamations are out of the way, but I have a real thing about making sure I disagree firmly with the statement that this is not the people's business. When we celebrate ALZ, the proclamation, it is the people's business. Uh when we celebrate uh and we honor uh various communities. [1:32:30, 1:32:50]: you know, Black History Month or whatever, that is the community month. When we under uh different uh you know um uh causes uh for the particular year uh you know throughout the year that uh those are definitely causes that are worthwhile. Uh when we look at uh you know breast cancer awareness and [1:32:50, 1:33:10]: In October. That's the people's business. And that's that those are very important ceremonial items that people take to heart and they should ext receive the biggest audience possible because it is the business of the people. But I diverse. [1:33:09, 1:33:29]: I'm considering the timing more than anything. I'm leaning because of the timing. Um, I'm also I I mean both sides make some valid points here. I I was hoping we could postpone this and and and iron out some of the issues, but you know, again [1:33:29, 1:33:34]: And I was stating 530 is right before the meeting is not too bad. [1:33:35, 1:33:35]: Yeah. [1:33:35, 1:33:55]: And then I I'm just torn. I'm torn in between the two because I I understand the purpose. I I get it. You know, you wanna award and you want to recognize the citizens, but at the same time we're starting meetings, the actual meetings at six thirty, six forty five, sometimes even further, and it's getting, you know, we we want [1:33:55, 1:33:57]: make sure we keep that under control. [1:33:58, 1:34:18]: Well I will say to you that your demonstration, I will say to you the council that this doesn't pass, we'll obviously give direction to redo this and come up with another suggestion. That passes will go to 530. Uh and I will submit to you that if it does pass and go we go to five thirty for all this. I would hope that this council make a concerted effort. I'll be there so we sense that your names are included on this. [1:34:18, 1:34:34]: and we can have we can take up pictures and have that pre-part of the process. I think it is part of the business to do the city to recognize people properly for what whatever good things the organization have done. On that note party, any other questions? Yes sir. Yes sir. My last comment. [1:34:37, 1:34:57]: For me, I'm a people person. If I'm going to recognize an organization for what they do, uh I'm boots on the ground and I give them my money so they can have an impact if it's cancer awareness. Give them your money. Get on the ground and help them to uh [1:34:57, 1:35:17]: Find causes. That's what these folks want. Yeah, it's okay. Come up here and give them a proclamation for what they do. But hey, get out there on the ground with them. Give them your money. That's big volume if you're trying to recognize any of these things that they do. Give them money so they can do the research. Alright, if another comments. [1:35:17, 1:35:29]: Mr. I have one other comment. Yes, ma'am. I did please I actually question to Mr. Blount. Mr. Blount, in your motion, are you stating you said eight time before six o'clock. Can we specify time and say five thirty? [1:35:30, 1:35:33]: It doesn't matter if we do 20 proclamations. [1:35:34, 1:35:35]: As long as they come [1:35:39, 1:35:42]: about these ceremonial done before six o'clock. [1:35:42, 1:35:49]: I'm gonna be doing at five, five fifteen, five thirty, five forty five as long as it's down before six o'clock. [1:35:50, 1:36:08]: Well, I I would like for it to just actually state five thirty. I have I have issues even now at four o'clock trying to get to these meetings, which I'm gonna bring up at some other particular time. Um so I would ask that we if you would consider amending the motion to stay five thirty. [1:36:10, 1:36:30]: It doesn't matter what time. I my motion is that all proclamations be done before six o'clock. Whatever you all do underlining that, it's fine with me. I'll just say all proclamation be done before six o'clock. Well, um, I understand that, but I'm just asking for a specific time of starting it at five. [1:36:30, 1:36:48]: Okay, I'll take it. I'll make the motion for the m for for the proclamation to be done at five thirty. Thank you. So Mr. Mayor, I'm gonna interpret that as agreeing to friendly amendment if you will, and the council is okay with that amended motion and that's what's before. Does it have to be seconded? [1:36:48, 1:37:08]: Oh it'd be nice if it if it were second that just is there a second to that? There you go. That the proclamation that the proclamations will be all proclamations we uh be done at five thirty prior to it would be prior to the actual six o'clock start time for the meeting. Here's the caveat if you don't mind the what's your motion. [1:37:08, 1:37:21]: The caveat is that I don't want that to to s to give a justification going past six o'clock. These proclamations and if you see that you're gonna be going past six, then you need to reschedule at five fifteen. [1:37:22, 1:37:42]: I want I would my motion is that all proclamations be done before six o'clock. Five thirty is a is is acceptable as long as they're done within the thirty minute uh time. All right, so so I guess we need to make sure we got the motion straight out. All right, so we um we try [1:37:42, 1:38:02]: Amended it was seconded whether or not that was a stand or whether or not you just go back to the I'm amending it. It's my motion that all proclamations will be done at 530, but concluded by six. That's my motion. Alright, is there a second tonight? That's seven. There we go. Now we've done that. Is that legal to do that? That's right. Okay, all right. Now and if [1:38:02, 1:38:03]: the discussion. [1:38:04, 1:38:24]: All right. No, no, no. No. That's why I double that's why I looked at the attorney. You he redrew that. So the motion is to have all proclamations uh start at six, five thirty, but conclude before it's six o'clock meeting. If I got that right. All right. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:38:24, 1:38:25]: I'll both. [1:38:28, 1:38:30]: That's right. [1:38:35, 1:38:55]: Alright, so what we have now is uh council situation to authorize the surveillance of 2018-2019 Georgia Department of Economic Development, Tourism Product Development Grant Funding Requests. Yes, Mayor and Council, um what we bring before you night is a uh grant application we're gonna separation on Main Street. [1:38:54, 1:39:14]: I think in 2015 you uh approved uh the city to submit this same grant. There is a bad requirement of five thousand dollars in what you'd be aware of. Uh this year the grant is being submitted on behalf of the Caribbean Hamburg uh building uh that is being renowned over in [1:39:14, 1:39:34]: In that community and um authorization for staff to submit the application. It is a five thousand dollar match. Okay, okay, of course. So I just want to make sure this is you you're talking about the uh [1:39:34, 1:39:54]: Green FA. Right, so this business is privately owned, correct? You know, from my understanding, from talking to Kira, uh apparently looking back when the when the project came through for rezoning, from my understanding that mayor and council thought it had some historical significance. [1:39:54, 1:40:14]: Uh one of the things that we required in the zoning application was that they attempt to get it on historical register. However, it did not make the historical register, but from my understanding, from talking to Kira, it was the desire of the Mary Council to make it of historical value because of the value that it has. [1:40:14, 1:40:27]: for that particular community. And what this grant would do, should you choose to move forward with allowance to submit it, it would actually give the monies to assist in terms of bringing the project [1:40:28, 1:40:30]: What it's considered to be a historical value. [1:40:31, 1:40:32]: up to a particular state. [1:40:33, 1:40:37]: I I I the property owner bought the building. [1:40:37, 1:40:41]: They own the building. So we're gonna turn five minutes of grenades again. [1:40:42, 1:41:02]: Five thousand, ten thousand. I I think your grant will be well you will be five thousand out of your pocket and I think uh you can do any time so it doesn't have to cost in cash. Um'cause staff time, staff commitment, their hours dedicated to can be considered. I just want you to be made aware. I don't [1:41:02, 1:41:22]: I don't mind applying for this grant, but giving the money to a private business, that's that's a bad trust for any I wouldn't do that for any business in town to just give them money um after the purchase uh of the building. I understand what it is. If we own the building and we were leasing it to them. [1:41:22, 1:41:42]: And we were putting the investment in, that would be different. How are we gonna justify giving a spending five thousand dollars of the citizens' money to apply for the grant, then give them the money and Well, I think the way that you simply work, I don't think you necessarily give an individual the cash. Oh yeah. [1:41:42, 1:42:02]: grants are done. Father, what I think what they were attempting to do is again, it all depends on whether or not you as a counselor consider it as it having any historical value and what commitment you want to make to that should you choose that to be your decision and what type of commitment you want to make. [1:42:02, 1:42:22]: asking is whether or not you want to allow them to submit. Now what you can do, uh I don't know if the project is project specific. I have an opinion that based on what Kiery gave that the project was very specific to that particular facility. But again it is a$5,000. [1:42:22, 1:42:42]: And it will be to bring the structure into compliance of some sort. So this is not just say this. Okay. I'm okay with applying for the grant. I'm not okay with giving it to a specific institution. We're getting ready to develop a whole lot of citizen money in uh the fire. [1:42:42, 1:43:02]: station we could use that money for the fire station in a building that we own versus uh giving basic we can look at it giving it however that money is going toward a building that is owned by a private individual. They knew going into it that it was going to cost in order to bring the building up to code. [1:43:02, 1:43:22]: and to have it uh be what it is, uh what we uh would like it to be in that particular area. And then let me just say this before Ms. Ms. You know, I I said I think at the last meeting that you as a body at I think 2015, I guess, agreed to establish a historic preservation. [1:43:21, 1:43:41]: At some point in time, I'm hoping that you will import that board because I think that board will then be able to come back and designate what they think is historic, what they think is of value to you as a recommendation, and what they may recommend the city in terms of doing in that historic district. [1:43:41, 1:44:01]: So I I would I would not, you know, I would remiss of me not to say I really do think you need that historic preservation board because I think they would have had an opportunity to weigh in on any applications that you make to the state as pertains to anything of historical significance. Okay, thank you. [1:44:01, 1:44:21]: You may know that I'm very close to this issue. I've worked um in this endeavor for many, many years. Uh I knew Mrs. Hammer personally. Uh actually I was a part of the writing of the uh proposal to get the designation for the Green Front. [1:44:21, 1:44:41]: Uh cafe in the beginning. I was called concerning this issue, and I think the the issue that was raised, I think it is a legitimate issue that we have to look at. Um I am trying to work with uh the Main Street program and the owner of this property to uh look at how. [1:44:41, 1:44:45]: how we can actually match uh the funds from the grant [1:44:45, 1:45:05]: Just to move forward. But I think in the long term, when we look at tourism and preservation, this bill needs to be included in the scope of all of that. But I do have some concerns that raised, which are legitimate. But I think that I would be personally just as a citizen. [1:45:05, 1:45:18]: we'll be working with this business owner uh just to try to come up with that that matching fund. But I do feel that it is a work right project uh for the application for the grant to be submitted. Um [1:45:19, 1:45:39]: And I won't get into who um Carol McHammer was and what the Greenfront Cafe represented. It is significant. So personally I am willing to work with this business uh to make these things happen. And I would recommend that we go forward uh with the application. But I do have a reservation about [1:45:39, 1:45:59]: you know the matching funds of it and I think um just having a conversation with Cone I think we can sort of let me just add if you look at your tab I think here provided information on her tab this is a part of tourism that ties into I think uh NLK and the old trail and all [1:45:59, 1:46:19]: All of that and so when I want to see where they reported the bashing funds from, it was gonna be for the tourism for hotel hotel. So that's how they get opposed to that. And that's the bigger picture. [1:46:19, 1:46:30]: Um I am very familiar with that area. Um, not only Mr. Thomas, um I grew up over there and um [1:46:32, 1:46:52]: This that's not a good look. Did we consult our attorney um before wanting to do that? Because we do have the church where Daddy King did his first sermon. And we already know that's gonna be part of our history. Um well I think and we're and the reason why I'm saying that, we placed a monument in front of that church. [1:46:52, 1:47:12]: That um even just the landscape piece and different things can be done over there that has already been brought forth. Um so I just want us to stay, whatever task force that you put together, that we stay in line on what we're doing. Because when you start getting to a private [1:47:12, 1:47:32]: business for somebody to purchase city wise. That is not good to me. I mean I'm not an attorney, but legally, so that's why I was asking did we seek the attorney on this? Well um I think the grant applications typically we don't we only seek legal because it's an application. So before we do it, we [1:47:32, 1:47:52]: know it comes to you. But when I said in 2015 you got this grant before, you actually got the grant before. That's what you got the monument. That first five thousand dollars that you did match was just with that particular monument and the initial landscape. Okay. Okay. Really good. But okay. I would like this again. I would like that to [1:47:52, 1:48:12]: Task force, um Ms. Moore. But again, you say you don't have to seek legal, but I just said within in-house, because if it's coming to council now and how we're feeling, I would suggest that we could at least ask the question. Because even if it's just a grant or whatever, um it's just [1:48:12, 1:48:32]: the perception of knowing that everybody knows and like um uh Mr. uh Councilman Thomas said, his civic organization or whoever, those are opportunities that can be used to help with funding. We just don't want to out o overstep our boundaries because there are organizations that are [1:48:32, 1:48:52]: With Miss Carrie McHambrick's um legacy. Um, so we want to make sure we're not just jumping over, we want to stay in line with what we are as a city. Right. And then before you die, it uh she's just asking to move forward if it's your desire not to move forward with the application of Sabin on this grant. [1:48:52, 1:49:06]: Yeah. They will say vote no. Then that may give some time for you to pull your historic preservation uh group together for them to pursue. Okay, John. [1:49:06, 1:49:26]: 'Cause I concur what they're saying it would be easier for us if if it had been like Hanley Funeral Room in Atlanta that was on Bell Street. It was where King's body was. They made it a histor if it was on historic registry, it would even make it easier for [1:49:26, 1:49:46]: us to say let's move forward because we don't want to I wouldn't want to and I'm pretty pretty sure what the council is saying to to because we it hasn't been identified I think that we should bring uh uh historic uh reservation committee in because they would have done all of their homework before it came to before it comes to and they will bring [1:49:46, 1:50:06]: I mean what historic preservation uh committees do is they look at all of soft reach and they identify those areas which they think has historical significance, kind of your complex, which that is a part of it. Uh and they bring to you these areas that they think would represent historical aspects of soft reach. [1:50:06, 1:50:26]: And then you adopt the historical plan, and then at that point in time they can go forward with making recommendations in terms of what brands. If they had not been purchased already, if the property had not been purchased already, then it would have been easy to say, hey, because we didn't want that eyesore, we do [1:50:26, 1:50:44]: wanna show his dedication to Miss Carrie Mayhamberry is that then I would say it would be easier to go this way but since it's been approached I would prefer that we get that registry uh what do you want to say please she's not Mayor thank you there's a couple of things it w we're mentioning carrying Mayhambury [1:50:44, 1:51:04]: But and this item number six, not one thing on here, says Carrie May Hambrag. I think um the bringing with Councilman Alexander in regards to going ahead and applying food grant for specific purposes. There's a purpose for marketing, heritage, historic preservations, and anything you do with African American heritage, civil rights. [1:51:04, 1:51:06]: or anything of that nature. [1:51:06, 1:51:16]: they actually get an extra up to ten points on the project. So if they are creative in the sense that they are it's tying into the [1:51:16, 1:51:36]: heritage trail altogether, then I'm for it. Right now Miss Brads is not here to speak on it and I have some questions that in regards to it. I see that the first deadline is in today. Today right that's what I was gonna that's what I was gonna say. I think they had um think Main Street had talked with um [1:51:36, 1:51:56]: the owner of the property and I think that's how they got to be project specific. I I still say though if you back back from this and then do your appointments to the board and then let them do a master plan in terms of school preservation. And then when these deadlines go around, it won't be kind of at the last amendment. [1:51:56, 1:52:16]: Well, if if I may finish on my point on that, we've had boot truck, we've had other events where we've been allowed to receive the money for these funds. They come up revolving every year. Same thing, it's always available. We pay into this, you know, they the the county gets the tourism money, the charge. [1:52:16, 1:52:35]: chamber or however you want to claim it, okay? And there's this pool of funds there. When it comes to marketing, I've reached out to them before. We've had applications. So long as you're advertising outside of your setting limits for people on the outside to come in, then so be it. Whether that was a billboard or something other consideration. [1:52:35, 1:52:36]: I think. [1:52:36, 1:52:42]: that being that Miss Brads is not here and being that this is this is constantly evolving. [1:52:43, 1:52:58]: if we made a motion to approve so long as it's for the entire historical district or main street of Stockbridge, I'm okay with l as long as it's pertaining to it, but not as an individual business. And I I don't wanna lose an opportunity [1:52:58, 1:53:18]: I just think that would be horrible and I'm not going to wait on board that we don't need to appoint right now when we've knocked down most of the historical before our time. I'm not going to wait on that. The only problem with this is grads will be back after the deadline is gone. So who's going to apply? Well, from my understanding, they had already prepared the package based with the author that they had to appreciate. [1:53:18, 1:53:38]: If if if that is the case, then I would not be for I'm only for it pertaining to the entire I I don't want to open open up Pandora's box one one business goes to the next business. We're not doing that. [1:53:38, 1:53:58]: So I I want it to be for the entire city benefit. Due to the deadline, which is I think today or tomorrow, what I recommend based on what I've heard for you is that we not submit this code right now. And that we, because someone would have to write it for tomorrow. It's due tomorrow. [1:53:58, 1:54:18]: I believe that there is another grant cycle later in the year. December thirteenth is part of the grant. Well what's that one second. I was not saying perhaps with but it's a given number. [1:54:18, 1:54:38]: apply for a grant, what a historic area or district, if you will, of the city of Stockbridge during that particular cycle, and be able to provide you with information as it pertains to what particular property, building, or what have you to be identified and vetted for. [1:54:38, 1:54:40]: Uh the grant for me. [1:54:49, 1:55:09]: Yes, sir. Um I just want to weigh in uh being remiss if I did not I I've not been consultant on it, so I'm not sure exactly what the money is gonna be used for, what the project would be used for, but the grant um appears to allow [1:55:09, 1:55:29]: For cities to sponsor uh grant applications where the ultimate recipient is a nonprofit business of business, um a chamber of commerce, you know, a number of different things. So under the way the grant it appears to be written, it would be allowed. Um if we did have to pay uh [1:55:29, 1:55:49]: of a a matching portion. Um it would not be dissimilar from a facade plan where there's both a private benefit in terms of the benefits of that business in terms of upkeeping their their facade, but there's a public benefit because it, you know, if you if all the businesses improve [1:55:49, 1:55:58]: with their facade that you know that that's permitted. And so, you know, you could conceptualize a a a a scenario and again I don't know the particulars. [1:55:58, 1:56:18]: where in exchange for the city's sponsorship of the application of the five thousand that they agree to you know provide specific public benefits, maintaining it for certain hours as a tourist destination and you know maybe having an exhibit there [1:56:18, 1:56:38]: Showing you know its historical significance, and that would be the public benefit. So I'm not asking you to vote yes or no, because I just don't know the particulars, but I don't want that issue to be the issue upon which you denied, because I think you have to fashion it so that it would work. [1:56:38, 1:56:58]: mention that because with the Pasonic Grant you are given it I mean bars are beautiful. They get their money directly. And that is a private business. And that was Pasonic Grant. So if you look at it you're actually talking about a very similar situation. And I think also if I may mention your go ahead. I just wanted to mention one [1:56:58, 1:57:18]: Thing about specificity about what is intended for the property. One would be the historic site marker there. Another would be to install an interpretive sign seven story of the green front cafe as well as this area of the hammer. Also install two banner poles with banners at the location and also produce. [1:57:18, 1:57:38]: It's an informational rat car type brochure, you know, what holds something that holds brochures for people to come by so they can understand the history uh of that particular location um uh Green Park campaign and this carrying heritage as well. So it's not for construction. Oh, it's happy for nobody separately. Okay folks, you're on. [1:57:38, 1:57:58]: Well I'm glad that uh city attorney and uh city manager home then because it gave you know I'm grained on the grain front cap pay issue. Right. But uh that gave me more information that showed me that these type of findings have have happened before. Like I say, even with Hamley Femeral home. [1:57:58, 1:58:15]: uh that that was on the historic registry. So my question is has this happened in any areas that's not is uh was the uh was is the church on historic registry? When you did the five thousand I tried to get that before she left but I don't know who [1:58:16, 1:58:36]: I was reading this in in in line with what you're saying, that when we talk about facade grants and and and beautification of those things that are gonna be pertaining to historic sites and the s and it's right there at the street that says carry made. [1:58:36, 1:58:56]: And if it has historic significance for the neighborhood, then I'm gonna I I'm actually for no case. Haven't heard from our city manager, if it's with the marquees and other things that the city would utilize as we've already done on throughout the trail and and a part of the plan. [1:58:56, 1:59:16]: I'm not objecting to that. That's a part of our tourism. That's a part of it's actually it's property that belongs. We have a marquee out in front of Floyd Chapel. I thought you were stating we were given money for construction rehab purposes. I'm totally, no, this is for based off of the descriptions. These are marquees and other things. [1:59:16, 1:59:30]: things that we m we would place there, I'm not that that's a part of what we're doing when it comes to the walking trail, the MLK, the the whole little thing we have going on. I'm not I'm not in disagreement with that. [1:59:30, 1:59:32]: And and if there was [1:59:32, 1:59:36]: Just so you know, as so long as it is what mister Nighton [1:59:36, 1:59:38]: State the purpose of it was for [1:59:39, 1:59:41]: I'm okay with it if [1:59:41, 1:59:46]: It because it benefits everyone. It's not something that benefits the [1:59:46, 1:59:57]: The the the the specify for now. I mean it's clear what you're making. I'm gonna say I wanna say that. You're not you're not next. Actually Miss Robinson's next. Thank you, Mayor. [2:00:00, 2:00:01]: But listening to all