2021-12-21 · City Council · Transcript · Work Session Meeting

--- title: December 21 2021 Work Session Meeting date: 2021-12-21 source: 2021-12-21_December_21_2021_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:02, 0:00:03]: Yes. [0:00:07, 0:00:08]: [ 22.9, 23.3]: [0:00:30, 0:00:30]: [ 52.5, 53.3]: Yeah. [0:00:59, 0:01:00]: Mm. [0:01:38, 0:01:41]: Evening, Chief. Uh evening, Councilman Blount. [0:01:41, 0:01:42]: Miss Barber? [0:01:43, 0:01:44]: Evening. [0:01:45, 0:01:46]: Good evening, sir. Good evening, everyone. [0:01:59, 0:02:01]: Evening, Mare Pro Tem. [0:02:01, 0:02:03]: Councilman Thomas, you made it. [0:02:06, 0:02:13]: Yeah, uh yes, sir. Uh I'm I'm trying to get ready for the uh actual roll call, but I I'll be back in a short minute. [0:02:13, 0:02:16]: Well will you be able to give the invocation still, sir, or not? [0:02:20, 0:02:33]: Uh I I I would say not. Uh I'm not prepared to be on screen just yet. So okay. I'm trying to get ready for I just walked in, so I'm trying to get ready for on-screen presence. Okay, no problem. Appreciate it. [0:02:33, 0:02:34]: Hello, how you doing Kim? [0:02:43, 0:02:45]: Hello everyone. I don't mear put him. [0:02:46, 0:02:53]: Are we live yet? Are we live yet? Actually, we are live. I'm sorry, sir. We are live. I'm sorry about that. [0:02:54, 0:02:56]: Okay, I just want to mention that um [0:02:56, 0:03:00]: I had death in the family today and um I'm running, I'm getting home late. [0:03:01, 0:03:03]: Uh but that is the only reason why that um [0:03:04, 0:03:05]: I'm just running late. [0:03:05, 0:03:11]: All right, no problem. But but we are live. Uh Mare Pro Tem, can can I I know it's late. Can I ask you to give the invocation this evening? [0:03:11, 0:03:13]: Sure, go right sure, I think. [0:03:13, 0:03:15]: Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. [0:03:15, 0:03:16]: Mm. [0:03:17, 0:03:21]: And actually, what do we have here? We got six o'clock, but we don't have our [0:03:21, 0:03:23]: Attorneys. [0:03:25, 0:03:27]: And we have a [0:03:28, 0:03:29]: Quorum. [0:03:34, 0:03:39]: Ms. Holiday, I've I'm assuming that the the attorneys did get the link for the this meeting this evening. [0:03:39, 0:03:41]: Okay, thank you. [0:03:53, 0:03:54]: Wow. [0:04:19, 0:04:20]: Hmm. [0:04:25, 0:04:26]: [272.4, 275.8]: I know we do have a quorum, but I'm looking for their attorneys to arrive. [0:04:42, 0:04:47]: I just asked IT if he can send them a a separate individual link. [0:04:47, 0:04:49]: Appreciate that. Thank you. [0:04:53, 0:04:55]: Any additional state action. I mean [0:05:27, 0:05:29]: Ms. Holliday, are you still on the line? [0:05:35, 0:05:38]: Mr. Blount, she's uh she's online. [0:05:39, 0:05:40]: And um [0:05:41, 0:05:43]: Yeah, Mr. Blount, did you need something? [0:05:43, 0:05:52]: Yeah, good evening. How are you? Um do you do you recall do you remember the date that the actual agenda that was sent through the email, the actual email date on that? Do you remember? [0:05:53, 0:05:54]: Do you recall that date? [0:05:55, 0:05:56]: For this meeting. [0:05:56, 0:06:05]: Yes, the the actual email date. No, I would have to check you because you know Randy Rainey sends that out. So I would have to actually check the sent email. [0:06:05, 0:06:07]: Oh, December. [0:06:08, 0:06:09]: December the sixteenth. [0:06:10, 0:06:12]: All right. Thank you, sir. Okay. [0:06:14, 0:06:26]: Okay, Ms. Halley, I received a message from the attorneys. They have not received a link. Um Okay, I received a message from IT that it's been reset again. So I don't know what the issue is. [0:06:27, 0:06:27]: Okay. [0:06:32, 0:06:36]: Let's see. S I T on the call. Oh yeah, he's there. He's present. [0:06:37, 0:06:37]: He hears you. [0:06:38, 0:06:42]: All right, Robert. Did you hear that that the attorneys have not received the link? [0:06:44, 0:06:46]: Yes, I just resent with U two C C'd. [0:06:48, 0:06:50]: [423.9, 424.8]: Oh, here we go. [0:07:08, 0:07:10]: Welcome, Mr. Washington. [0:07:12, 0:07:13]: Didn't even I'll I'll I [0:07:14, 0:07:17]: Good evening. I'll turn the Facebook uh off here. [0:07:18, 0:07:20]: All right, and uh [0:07:20, 0:07:26]: And Jeremy, he's uh Mr. Berry is online as well. Okay. Good deal. Thank you, sir. [0:07:26, 0:07:46]: All right. What I'd like to do, ladies and gentlemen, is call our city council work session. And this is March 21st, excuse me, December. December 21st of 2021. Oh my gosh. And uh I have actually uh 604. Uh so the meeting would like to call it the order. Um [0:07:46, 0:07:49]: Ms. Holiday, the roll call please. [0:07:53, 0:07:55]: Mayor Ford? Present. [0:07:55, 0:07:56]: We approach him Alexander. [0:07:57, 0:07:57]: Present. [0:07:57, 0:07:58]: Councilwoman Barber. [0:07:59, 0:07:59]: That's it. [0:08:00, 0:08:01]: Councilman Blount. [0:08:01, 0:08:02]: Present. [0:08:02, 0:08:03]: Councilwoman Gantt. [0:08:06, 0:08:10]: Let the record reflect Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Thomas. [0:08:12, 0:08:13]: President. [0:08:14, 0:08:16]: Thank you, Mayor Ford. Do you have a quorum? [0:08:16, 0:08:17]: Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it. [0:08:18, 0:08:21]: Um Mayor Pro Tem, could you get an invocation, please? [0:08:21, 0:08:23]: Will everyone bow your heads, please? [0:08:25, 0:08:27]: I just want to thank God. [0:08:27, 0:08:29]: for being able to be a blessing. [0:08:30, 0:08:33]: I want this entire council mayor and council. [0:08:33, 0:08:34]: To be so thankful. [0:08:34, 0:08:38]: That God has gifted us with the ability to bless others. [0:08:39, 0:08:40]: Our decisions. [0:08:40, 0:08:43]: And our vision and our wisdom and our leadership. [0:08:43, 0:08:47]: are God given. Those are talents that He's granted us all. [0:08:47, 0:08:49]: But I want to focus on today. [0:08:50, 0:08:52]: Our ability to be a blessing for others. [0:08:53, 0:08:57]: Uh, with the philanthropic activity over the weekend with so many of us taking place. [0:08:58, 0:09:00]: Uh with Linda Jones and feeding God's people. [0:09:01, 0:09:05]: Our toy drive, our community development for real people toy drive. [0:09:05, 0:09:08]: Those are that's what community is all about. [0:09:08, 0:09:13]: Uh the Shaka Claus event, the Shaquille O'Neal took place in the sheriff's office. [0:09:13, 0:09:17]: All of us touch the community in some way, in a philanthropic way. [0:09:18, 0:09:20]: When the true giving [0:09:20, 0:09:22]: And caring of a community. [0:09:22, 0:09:25]: Are composed of what we can do for each other. [0:09:26, 0:09:27]: As our brother's keeper. [0:09:27, 0:09:35]: Thank God for giving us the strength, the guidance, and the sustenance to be able to impact others and be a blessing to others. [0:09:36, 0:09:38]: Let the decisions that we make tonight. [0:09:38, 0:09:42]: Impact be impactful and positive for this community. [0:09:43, 0:09:44]: As we're granted. [0:09:44, 0:09:45]: Uh leadership. [0:09:45, 0:09:48]: uh through the empowerment of the people. [0:09:48, 0:09:53]: the people, for the people, to the people, we are the people and for the people. [0:09:53, 0:09:57]: Thank you so much for spreading the joy and love and companionship. [0:09:58, 0:09:59]: That we have [0:09:59, 0:10:01]: uh in this season and this time. [0:10:01, 0:10:03]: That the Lord has blessed us with. [0:10:03, 0:10:05]: Tonight I am so thankful. [0:10:05, 0:10:08]: to everybody and to every member of this community. [0:10:08, 0:10:11]: is blessed to bless somebody else. [0:10:11, 0:10:14]: And please continue to guide us so we're able to do that. [0:10:14, 0:10:17]: with every action that we make in this meeting tonight. [0:10:17, 0:10:18]: Amen. [0:10:18, 0:10:19]: Amen. [0:10:20, 0:10:22]: Can we please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? [0:10:25, 0:10:40]: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. One nation under God with liberty and justice for all. [0:10:41, 0:10:42]: Okay. [0:10:43, 0:10:48]: I council, I need the uh motion to actually amend the agenda. [0:10:48, 0:10:52]: And what I like to request is that item number ten that deals with the [0:10:53, 0:11:06]: uh contract to johnson control security solutions that it'd be uh removed from the agenda for further for for additional information and further uh thought process and and for additional time to uh bring it back. [0:11:08, 0:11:10]: So move Zero Second. [0:11:12, 0:11:14]: Miss Barber Secondsad. All in favor, please indicate. [0:11:15, 0:11:35]: Uh okay, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Once again, I'd like to also make another um a recommendation for to amend the agenda. Uh this will actually be the actual downtown development authority. The DDA chair has requested uh that they re-remove this and they wanted to bring this. [0:11:35, 0:11:45]: back i believe it's one month later and they want to do some time have some time to talk over with the the rest of the uh members of the of the development authority just want to bring that forward is [0:11:45, 0:11:47]: Is uh can we uh take this off as well? [0:11:48, 0:11:51]: Yes, some of what item number is that, Mayor Ford? [0:11:52, 0:11:56]: That is that is the no oh item number that would be item number twenty. [0:11:56, 0:11:57]: Okay. [0:11:57, 0:12:00]: I number twenty. She says so moves our second. [0:12:01, 0:12:01]: Uh [0:12:02, 0:12:05]: I thought Barber, you made the motion, right? You just so move? [0:12:05, 0:12:06]: Is there a second? [0:12:09, 0:12:14]: Okay. Okay, Mr. Airport temp second that all in favor, please indicate. [0:12:15, 0:12:20]: Aye. Okay. Oppose? Abstain? [0:12:21, 0:12:25]: Well I don't ms Mr. Blount, do you stain? Is that what that means? [0:12:26, 0:12:28]: I got three votes for Mr. Blount. [0:12:30, 0:12:33]: You you I can't hear you, so you're you're muted. [0:12:36, 0:12:40]: I say I'm fine with fine with that man. Okay. [0:12:41, 0:13:01]: All right, I have one other recommendation for the uh for amendment, and that would be number item to be added added to the agenda and item number 30. And this deals with the actual tasers for the police department. Chief Kramer wants to bring this forward. I believe you all received information about it. So he wants to add this to the agenda, which would be the last item um of the [0:13:01, 0:13:05]: evening. Um so is there a motion to uh to add this item? [0:13:06, 0:13:07]: Саму. [0:13:07, 0:13:09]: Okay, Miss Barber move. Is there a second? [0:13:10, 0:13:13]: Sir Mayor Putem second that all in favor, please indicate. [0:13:14, 0:13:16]: Okay, I got a quick question. [0:13:17, 0:13:18]: Yes, sir. [0:13:19, 0:13:30]: Uh Chief, is there is there gonna be like a line item of different things you're gonna need? Because I I'm just saying so we wouldn't like taser now this later that if all if all is gonna be covered on the opera funding. [0:13:30, 0:13:38]: Is there a list that you can a composed list of everything that you need? And we can kind of do that in one swoop instead of kind of piecing it off. [0:13:39, 0:13:41]: Yeah, we were actually uh [0:13:41, 0:13:45]: Discussing some some options for that, obviously um [0:13:45, 0:13:52]: bringing all these items before the council uh week to week. I did supply uh Mr. Berry with a list of items that we anticipate uh purchasing. [0:13:53, 0:13:56]: So to answer your question, the short answer is yes, we do have a list of these things. [0:13:57, 0:14:02]: Um it just be based on the consensus of the council to what degree they want to do that in one. [0:14:02, 0:14:03]: Um [0:14:04, 0:14:05]: You know, one [0:14:07, 0:14:08]: Presentation. [0:14:08, 0:14:14]: Because within that presentation we may not know the exact dollar amounts. Um so some of these are going to be [0:14:15, 0:14:23]: uh contingent upon receiving the actual uh the actual financial exact figures from the vendors for the acquisition of the equipment. [0:14:24, 0:14:33]: And the reason I'm asking that chief is but because if we if we start to do it this way, then you're gonna only be move moving. [0:14:33, 0:14:41]: twice a month or special call meetings when we could try to move things a little further on that you need to be doing and that way it could kind of [0:14:41, 0:15:00]: uh move things a little quicker. That uh whatever you have that you do know, if we can just put that in one uh itemized agenda if the council so will that that way we can uh have it all down those items that you do have the amounts on. That way we won't have to keep uh breaking it off like that. I just thought it would be better like that. Uh [0:15:00, 0:15:06]: For that council. If that's the if that's the wish of the council, that would be our preference as well. [0:15:06, 0:15:07]: And um [0:15:08, 0:15:12]: Of course, subject to appropriate betting by legal and procurement. [0:15:12, 0:15:17]: uh for these purchases which can be done after the fact. So council could approve these. [0:15:17, 0:15:20]: purchases on the front end up to a [0:15:20, 0:15:22]: certain dollar amount. [0:15:22, 0:15:26]: And uh we could ratify those at a subsequent council meeting. [0:15:27, 0:15:31]: And I would say to you that this this discussion that you're dealing with right now, Mr. [0:15:32, 0:15:42]: uh councilman blood and and the chief here for everybody's that we're gonna be able to talk about this a little later on in the agenda. So it's it's set that way. So what your concern is is going to come up in the agenda anyway for further discussion. [0:15:43, 0:15:47]: So on that note, the motion has been made, been seconded. So all in favor of motion, please indicate. [0:15:49, 0:15:56]: I got two, three. Okay. That's unanimous decision. Okay. Appreciate that. Now I need a motion to adopt the overall agenda, please. [0:15:56, 0:15:56]: Or [0:15:57, 0:15:57]: Yes, ma'am. [0:15:58, 0:16:02]: I'd like to amend the agenda to tame table three items. [0:16:03, 0:16:05]: This is item number 18. [0:16:07, 0:16:09]: Item number twenty four and twenty six. [0:16:13, 0:16:14]: You said eighteen. [0:16:15, 0:16:22]: 18 council consideration to approve green room community policy and fee schedule. Uh-huh. [0:16:22, 0:16:35]: Item 24, council consideration to grant the chief of police the authority to implement andor amend police department policies and procedures with with review by legal counsel as appropriate. [0:16:36, 0:16:37]: A second. [0:16:38, 0:16:42]: Okay, what you said eighteen, twenty four. What I thought was a third one. I must have I thought it was [0:16:42, 0:16:43]: Um [0:16:43, 0:16:55]: Council consideration to temporarily waive spending authority limits to authorize the city manager to approve police department startup purchases, not to exceed designated amount, so forth. [0:16:56, 0:16:57]: And what number is that now? [0:16:57, 0:16:58]: That's twenty six. [0:16:59, 0:17:00]: Twenty six. [0:17:02, 0:17:11]: All right, you made that motion to uh to amend the agenda to take those items off. Uh and uh Councilman Thomas uh second that motion. [0:17:12, 0:17:13]: Okay. [0:17:13, 0:17:16]: All right, motion has been made in a second. All in favor, please indicate. [0:17:16, 0:17:17]: Discussion [0:17:18, 0:17:18]: All right. [0:17:20, 0:17:21]: Discussion. [0:17:21, 0:17:31]: Well, okay. Stand by. The the only thing the only only thing I like to see on these items is that I support them. I just want to make sure that the public is understanding. [0:17:32, 0:17:34]: why we're doing what we're doing. [0:17:34, 0:17:37]: So if we could explain to the public why we're doing what we're doing. [0:17:37, 0:17:39]: I'm okay with it because I think [0:17:40, 0:17:41]: The methodology [0:17:41, 0:17:47]: And the understanding sh the public should always have the understanding on why we make a move. [0:17:49, 0:17:49]: Okay. [0:17:50, 0:17:56]: So if if if if we could just give the public a explanation on on the on the thought process behind [0:17:56, 0:18:03]: These items being moved, I think we can move right along fairly quickly. All right. Uh councilman Thomas, you got your hand up. I guess you want to explain it, sir. [0:18:03, 0:18:07]: Well, I I just have a comment. I don't know if I can explain it. I I I [0:18:08, 0:18:09]: I can explain my position. [0:18:09, 0:18:11]: Uh I'll second it. [0:18:11, 0:18:12]: Um [0:18:14, 0:18:15]: My vote. [0:18:16, 0:18:18]: Was a vote of three. [0:18:19, 0:18:22]: That established the Styridge Police Department. [0:18:23, 0:18:29]: Uh I I I voted for the police department based on uh [0:18:29, 0:18:31]: You know, the the needs. [0:18:32, 0:18:34]: The data, the facts. [0:18:35, 0:18:35]: And [0:18:36, 0:18:38]: The principles that I believe that [0:18:38, 0:18:40]: Uh, we needed the Polish department. [0:18:41, 0:18:44]: So in and second in this motion. [0:18:45, 0:18:48]: I still stand on those principles. [0:18:48, 0:18:50]: Um, it is my belief. [0:18:51, 0:18:57]: And I and I support all of these things and I continue to support support uh the Stockbridge Police Department. [0:18:58, 0:19:00]: But I do believe. [0:19:00, 0:19:01]: That [0:19:01, 0:19:03]: In a couple of weeks. [0:19:03, 0:19:05]: Uh the city manager will be on board. [0:19:06, 0:19:09]: And it is my belief that the city manager. [0:19:10, 0:19:11]: Need to be involved. [0:19:12, 0:19:15]: uh in this discussion he need to have some input. [0:19:15, 0:19:17]: Uh, for me going forward. [0:19:17, 0:19:19]: I'm about holing. [0:19:19, 0:19:20]: Everyone [0:19:21, 0:19:22]: Accountable. [0:19:22, 0:19:24]: All departments accountable. [0:19:25, 0:19:28]: I will be holding the new city manager accountable. [0:19:28, 0:19:31]: And so I just want to make sure. [0:19:31, 0:19:43]: that he has an opportunity to uh meet with the chief. Uh they discuss these things and and he may very well approve of everything the chief is trying to do. [0:19:43, 0:19:45]: So my point is opportunity. [0:19:46, 0:19:50]: Um if he was not ha if he had not been approved. [0:19:50, 0:19:52]: then I I wouldn't be in this position. [0:19:52, 0:20:02]: But the fact that he has been approved and he will be here in two weeks, uh and he has he has the experience, he has uh uh [0:20:03, 0:20:10]: directed uh two police departments in and two jurisdictions. So I know he comes in with experience. [0:20:10, 0:20:17]: So based it just on those facts, um, I'm talking about giving the new city manager an opportunity. [0:20:17, 0:20:18]: I would not [0:20:19, 0:20:22]: want to pull the rug out from under him and again [0:20:22, 0:20:26]: Uh I I am going to make sure for my position. [0:20:27, 0:20:33]: That he is accountable to everything, all directors. And and just let me say also. [0:20:33, 0:20:34]: Um [0:20:34, 0:20:38]: All departments are the same to me. All departments. [0:20:38, 0:20:58]: All department heads, they are accountable for everything that triggered down from that department. And that's my position with everything. I don't distinguish between one department or one um director from the other. They're all the same. They all has to be accountable, including the new city manager coming in. [0:20:58, 0:21:00]: So my position is [0:21:00, 0:21:11]: Let's just give the uh new city manager an opportunity to get in and and you know, like I say, he may as well um, you know, be in favor of all of this, but it's just about an opportunity. [0:21:12, 0:21:16]: Thank you so much. Okay, Semma, Councilman Thomas, clarification. [0:21:16, 0:21:35]: uh Frederick Gardner is a sole finalist. There's a 14-day period. After that 14-day period by law, then we will meet again and formally appoint him uh to the position. I would think it would it would it would everything work fine, but he's he's just a sole finalist at this point. Uh but I understand your understand your comments, sir sir. Just want to [0:21:35, 0:21:46]: put that point of clarification there. Uh Mayor Putin, you want to say something else, sir? Yeah, I I thought that was very helpful and I'm totally in agreement with that because we want to empower the city manager to be able to [0:21:47, 0:21:48]: Uh run the city. [0:21:48, 0:21:52]: And that is their charge and their job to make sure that they do that. [0:21:52, 0:21:54]: And any decision that is made. [0:21:55, 0:21:57]: should have them sign off on it because [0:21:58, 0:21:58]: In the end [0:21:59, 0:22:06]: 20 its results. And in the end, the city manager and the police chief are going to be graded and they need to be [0:22:06, 0:22:16]: They need to be uh be uh in synergy and they need to see eye to eye on what these policies are going to be because overall they're gonna decide the success or failure. [0:22:17, 0:22:21]: uh of these uh t particular city initiatives so [0:22:21, 0:22:24]: I I think that I'm perfectly agreeable with [0:22:24, 0:22:26]: Making sure that the city manager [0:22:26, 0:22:28]: uh signs off on these items. [0:22:29, 0:22:42]: any other comments on this. So right now, if not right now, we have a motion on the floor to take to take off uh items number 18, 24, and 26. Okay. [0:22:44, 0:22:46]: Okay, all in favor of that motion, please indicate. [0:22:48, 0:22:54]: All right, that's unanimous decision. Okay, those items do come off. All right. Now I need a motion. Yes, yes, sir, Mr. Blount. [0:22:54, 0:23:00]: I'm sorry. So where does that leave us in terms of items on the agenda? Is that twenty four? [0:23:01, 0:23:08]: twenty four just came off. Eighteen, twenty-four, and twenty-six just came off. [0:23:09, 0:23:10]: Well, I'll have to add'em up. [0:23:11, 0:23:25]: Uh let's see here. We got the public here. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve. Pardon. [0:23:26, 0:23:28]: I got I count 17 if my count's right. [0:23:31, 0:23:32]: And I'm a yes, sir. [0:23:34, 0:23:38]: Well, I I have a question before I ask for an uh this amendment. [0:23:38, 0:23:42]: Um with the item number twenty seven and twenty eight. [0:23:43, 0:23:47]: Um we understand and twenty nine, we understand that they're gonna be opera funded. [0:23:47, 0:23:50]: Um but we have an amount for twenty [0:23:51, 0:23:53]: Uh nine that's posted. [0:23:53, 0:23:54]: Um [0:23:54, 0:23:59]: Well, we have an upcoming amount for twenty seven and twenty uh eight. [0:23:59, 0:24:07]: Um, I don't see those amounts. Well, that's all prefunded, so I would think that's part of the presentation that uh Chief Tramer would give. [0:24:07, 0:24:12]: Well, that's the the question I'm asking is is he already does he already have those amounts because they're not listed here? [0:24:13, 0:24:16]: Okay, I see him nodding his head. Yes, is I'm assuming that's it's affirmative. [0:24:17, 0:24:22]: Is that if is that I'm I'm uh Chief, you need to answer that right now, sir, or not? [0:24:22, 0:24:25]: No, there there there are funding amounts. Um [0:24:26, 0:24:31]: Uh uh Miss Holliday, was any supplemental documentation sent to council with the updated amounts? [0:24:32, 0:24:39]: They're not referring to your uh attachments. They're referring to what was entered uh into the system and apparently [0:24:39, 0:24:40]: Um [0:24:42, 0:24:48]: The person that entered them did not include the dollar amount. So if you have those, we can add those to the agenda for. [0:24:49, 0:24:50]: Council to know that. [0:24:50, 0:24:52]: number now, Mr. Tramer. [0:24:55, 0:24:59]: Okay. If if you would like I could speak those numbers into the um [0:25:00, 0:25:01]: Into the record. [0:25:03, 0:25:16]: Uh that uh that's fine if you uh if you have a number you can and do it. I would I would I would think I would think you if he has the numbers, he'll be able to give those numbers at the presentation itself. I'm fine with that. I just didn't I just didn't have anything pertaining to those numbers, Mayor. Okay. [0:25:17, 0:25:22]: See if you bring those numbers when it comes to your that item discussed, you you give us those numbers at that point. It'd be part of your presentation. [0:25:23, 0:25:39]: Yes, sir. All right. So I I count at least 17 items, uh, Ms. Barber. I mean, so I'm looking forward to I mean, I hope that answers your question. Uh okay, I'm looking forward to amendments, excuse me, to uh to uh to adopt the uh the amended agenda. [0:25:39, 0:25:42]: All right. I need adopt a minute agenda as as stated. [0:25:42, 0:25:43]: Is there is they're so moved. [0:25:44, 0:25:46]: So moved. Okay, Ms. Barber, is there a second? [0:25:47, 0:25:50]: Second. Okay. Mayor Protein. Second, then all favor, please indicate. [0:25:52, 0:25:56]: Okay, I've got uh okay, so now she says okay, now on that note. [0:25:57, 0:26:17]: Mayor, one one more quick, quick one, if you don't mind. Um, I would like for the council to uh we've looked at discussions in several cities, uh including the county, that the that this uh council would either do as a discussion this is uh discussion or to consider an amount that we would do um during [0:26:17, 0:26:22]: these time we we're gonna be receiving over um eleven million dollars of ARPA funding. [0:26:22, 0:26:42]: And we do have uh there's an increase and I know that we've done uh what we do in the end of the year for the employees, I I believe that we should put an incentive out there to our employees during these times, uh portion of that opera fund, even if it's not with$500 per employee, uh and with those that have had uh vaccinated and and an incentive for those to get vaccinated. [0:26:42, 0:26:45]: Uh, I like for council to have that type of discussion. [0:26:45, 0:26:48]: Uh, we only have eighty something employees in that uh [0:26:48, 0:26:59]: We're we're we're we're not even talking uh we're not even talking fifty thousand dollars out of over eleven million dollars of funding that we're gonna be getting. So I would like the council to have some type of discussion of [0:26:59, 0:27:04]: some type of incentive to get to the employees uh pertaining to uh [0:27:04, 0:27:12]: vaccinations uh and to an incentive for those that are vaccinated already. Are you looking to have that discussion at the following meeting? [0:27:12, 0:27:14]: So because we already just adopted the agenda. [0:27:15, 0:27:22]: Uh the agendas w we're we're going through amendings right now. Well we just we just we we just went to [0:27:22, 0:27:32]: We just didn't approve an amendment to the agenda. Well, we we pro approved and we should approved the entire agenda. That's what I was getting at. We went through several amendments. Now it's uh was approving the rest of the agenda so we can go forward. [0:27:33, 0:27:48]: I believe that's what I asked for. You just you I'm forgiving that noise. You just approved several amendments to the agenda. What I'm saying, we haven't adopted total agenda. I thought I just asked for that just a second ago. Ms. Clerk, what what what did we just vote on, Plam? [0:27:49, 0:27:54]: You voted um to adopt the agenda um for zero, but [0:27:55, 0:28:15]: At any time you can make an amendment. So I thought I thought we adopted, we just adopted and rested uh the overall agenda now after making all those amendments. But you want to add now something else in reference to discussion uh of this in reference to ARPA funds and additional funding incentives for uh I guess our employees, which we have not had any time. [0:28:14, 0:28:17]: type of background information I don't think on this. [0:28:17, 0:28:20]: or uh data or a thought process uh [0:28:21, 0:28:25]: So well well Merritt, the the back the background information is that [0:28:25, 0:28:31]: incentives through several cities are uh separate cities are given these incentives because they are receiving offer funding. [0:28:31, 0:28:47]: Uh you and if you if you looked at the news today, there's a discussion even in the Henry County. I'm talking for the city of Stockbridge. I'm talking about us giving our employees at least$500 incentives for those that are vaccinated and uh uh and those that are working during these times of this pandemic. [0:28:47, 0:28:53]: Uh out of author funding, which not even won't even total over fifty thousand dollars and we're getting over eleven million dollars of funding from author. [0:28:55, 0:28:59]: I see. Mayor uh Councilman Thomas, go ahead, please. [0:28:59, 0:29:06]: I'm I'm I'm sorry, Miss Barber. I didn't see your hand. Mr. Thomas, stand by. Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [0:29:07, 0:29:11]: I'll yield a councilman Thomas. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. [0:29:11, 0:29:15]: I I I I don't have a a problem with that, but what I would prefer [0:29:15, 0:29:18]: Uh for the treasurer to [0:29:19, 0:29:22]: uh pull some numbers. I know that um [0:29:22, 0:29:31]: The police department have used some of that funding source. I know Public Works has used some of that funding source. [0:29:31, 0:29:37]: um for the allocation for this year I do understand that that will be um [0:29:39, 0:29:59]: Uh, I'm not sure if that's gonna be another allocation uh in 2022 or going forward, but I'd like for the treasurer to um give us some data uh before we make that kind of decision. And hopefully if if the council is willing to entertain this discussion and if if it's agenda item 31. [0:29:58, 0:30:01]: I think by that time if the treasure could um [0:30:02, 0:30:05]: um, you know, pull the numbers together so we can so we can sort of [0:30:06, 0:30:06]: Um [0:30:06, 0:30:08]: Sort of know what we're dealing with. [0:30:10, 0:30:12]: Yeah, I can give you some numbers now. [0:30:13, 0:30:14]: Well, I I don't wanna [0:30:14, 0:30:20]: Tied a meeting up. Uh well anyway, Mayor, it I I'm gonna yield back to you. Okay, thank you. Miss Barber, you had a comment, ma'am? [0:30:22, 0:30:23]: Yeah, never mind. I just [0:30:24, 0:30:31]: Okay. Well, the whole point was to add it to the agenda. Second. Let's add it to the agenda and then let's move on. [0:30:32, 0:30:33]: Okay. [0:30:33, 0:30:40]: So so miss make sure we understand this right. Mr. Blount, you want to make a a formal motion because I'm not make sure the clerks got this down right. [0:30:40, 0:30:41]: What's your motion, sir? [0:30:41, 0:30:52]: From a motion to add a discussion for um funding or for opera funding to go as an incentive to our employees uh agenda item 31 to be determined by the council. [0:30:53, 0:30:55]: All right. All in favor, please indicate. [0:30:56, 0:30:58]: All right. So it'll be item number thirty one. [0:31:03, 0:31:03]: Mm-hmm. [0:31:04, 0:31:09]: Let's keep it moving tonight, y'all. It don't have to be long-winded. Just second. [0:31:11, 0:31:21]: All right, on that note, uh what we have before you adoption of the minutes. Just so happens that last meeting we did not approve these particular minutes. So that's the draft retreat minutes from the September 15th. [0:31:22, 0:31:29]: Draft retreat minutes from uh uh six September 16th and also the 17th. Special call meeting minutes from September 20th. [0:31:30, 0:31:38]: Council meeting minutes from uh October 11th, work session meeting uh minutes from October 26th, draft minutes um [0:31:39, 0:31:47]: From November 8th and draft minutes from um November 30th. Need a motion to accept all these particular minutes, folks. [0:31:47, 0:31:51]: Okay. So move Mayor potent okay. Okay. So move Mayor uh uh [0:31:51, 0:31:55]: Barber, uh second to uh Alexander, all favor, please indicate. [0:31:58, 0:32:00]: Okay. Okay. See now it's okay. Good deal. [0:32:01, 0:32:03]: Miss Holiday, any public comments? [0:32:03, 0:32:13]: There are no public comments, Mayor. All right, great. Now we'll go on to old business and that is a continuation of our public hearing involving the third reading as it continues. [0:32:13, 0:32:17]: uh with the adoption of the budget for twenty twenty two. [0:32:17, 0:32:20]: On that note, uh Mr. Wiggins. [0:32:20, 0:32:20]: Sir. [0:32:24, 0:32:25]: Okay, Mayor. Um [0:32:26, 0:32:27]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. [0:32:28, 0:32:29]: Um [0:32:29, 0:32:31]: I'm gonna try to share my screen here. [0:32:38, 0:32:38]: Okay. [0:32:39, 0:32:40]: Can everybody see that? [0:32:41, 0:32:41]: Couple. [0:32:41, 0:32:42]: We can. [0:32:43, 0:32:44]: All right. [0:32:46, 0:32:50]: This is the uh city of stockbridge proposed FY twenty twenty two. [0:32:50, 0:32:53]: Budget hearing, third reading, continuation. [0:32:53, 0:32:55]: For December twenty first. [0:32:55, 0:32:56]: Twenty twenty one. [0:32:57, 0:32:58]: Um [0:32:59, 0:33:00]: From the last meeting. [0:33:01, 0:33:04]: We had some changes. Uh council went through and made some changes. [0:33:05, 0:33:07]: All the changes have been put through uh [0:33:09, 0:33:13]: With those changes, we now have general fund at eighteen [0:33:13, 0:33:17]: Million three hundred eighty thousand nine hundred and ninety three dollars and twelve cents. [0:33:18, 0:33:21]: Enterprise funds come at twenty five million. [0:33:22, 0:33:23]: One hundred and sixty four. [0:33:24, 0:33:27]: Thousand seven hundred and sixty eight dollars and ninety five cents. [0:33:27, 0:33:28]: We have a total [0:33:29, 0:33:33]: For the budget, it's forty three million five hundred forty five dollars seventy two. [0:33:34, 0:33:35]: Dollars and seven cents. [0:33:36, 0:33:36]: Mayor. [0:33:37, 0:33:37]: Yes, sir. [0:33:38, 0:33:45]: See, see, Mr. Wiggins, this is the problem that I have. We're talking about the general fund budget. That's what we're talking about. [0:33:46, 0:33:58]: This confuses people saying putting the enterprise number up there. We're talk the budget we're talking about right now is the general fund budget. That budget is$18 million. [0:33:58, 0:34:18]: We need to be comparing apples to apples. We never talk about the budget in terms of this uh lumped-in number. Every year we talk about the budget in terms of the general fund number. That is the number that the public needs to see and focus on because that's what we're talking about in terms of uh balancing the balanced budget each year. [0:34:18, 0:34:22]: year is the general fund number and it confuses folks. [0:34:22, 0:34:25]: Казлас метін. [0:34:25, 0:34:34]: It was a discussion that said, Oh, we went from 18 million to four from twelve million to forty-three million. No, we didn't, because we don't ever really talk about. [0:34:34, 0:34:37]: The enterprise budget in this context. [0:34:37, 0:34:38]: But at the uh total [0:34:38, 0:34:42]: uh budgetary meeting. So the public needs to understand [0:34:42, 0:34:44]: We're talking about the gender role. [0:34:44, 0:34:48]: fun budget year to year tonight. That's what we're talking about. [0:34:52, 0:34:56]: All right, and then I understand that councilman, but when you're trying to approve [0:34:57, 0:35:00]: the budget, you need to hear the whole the total budget to approve it. [0:35:02, 0:35:06]: Not just the journal fund, even though the journal fund is the main fund that's always talked about. [0:35:07, 0:35:10]: In this particular discussion, you always want to try to prove [0:35:10, 0:35:11]: The total budget. [0:35:12, 0:35:12]: Go on. [0:35:13, 0:35:16]: Right, we're approving the general fund budget tonight, is that correct? [0:35:17, 0:35:19]: No, you're approving the whole budget. [0:35:20, 0:35:23]: Right, but the focus of this is the general fund budget. [0:35:24, 0:35:27]: Okay, well I I can focus on nothing but the journal fund there. [0:35:28, 0:35:33]: Is that the consent of the rest of the council? Is that what you want? Yes, sir. [0:35:33, 0:35:39]: If we're going to focus on a general fund budget, then where's the presentation with just the general fund budget? [0:35:39, 0:35:41]: I agree with that too. [0:35:42, 0:35:42]: Yeah. [0:35:43, 0:35:52]: Well I've I I would imagine that that's not what the the uh Mr. Wiggins as a as a treasurer is going through the entire budget is what how he for sees it, what he needs to do. [0:35:53, 0:35:53]: Yeah. [0:35:54, 0:35:57]: Yeah, Mary, I'm sorry to cut you up because if we're gonna break this down. [0:35:58, 0:35:59]: We're still breaking down. [0:36:00, 0:36:08]: The 43 plus million dollars. If we're gonna break down the general fund budget, then find and then we we look at the avenues where we can get. [0:36:09, 0:36:12]: The focus tonight and what the citizens want to see. [0:36:12, 0:36:18]: Is I agree they want to see first of all, we can go with the overall budget. [0:36:18, 0:36:25]: But then let's go in increments. Let's break the general fund budget down and find out how do we come to an agreement. [0:36:25, 0:36:40]: on the general fund budget, and then we expand out through the overall budget with all the other entities and and parameters of that. Uh there has to be a progression of this shown versus this impact that we're seeing now. [0:36:40, 0:36:41]: Okay. [0:36:42, 0:36:46]: So Ms. Wiggins, on that note, can you can pr you can explain the budget this way for twenty twenty two? [0:36:47, 0:36:51]: Right right now I have showing just the general fund changes. [0:36:51, 0:36:54]: Okay. So we can just go through the general fund changes. [0:36:54, 0:36:59]: All right, go ahead. Right if I could f follow up on that. That's exactly what I'm saying. [0:36:59, 0:37:11]: That first number gives a uh uh a a uh distortion because there's no document or anything following up on that. All there is is the general fund. So let's stick with this. Thank you. [0:37:13, 0:37:15]: Ms. Barber, you have a question? [0:37:16, 0:37:20]: Um actually I wanted to make a motion. There are [0:37:20, 0:37:22]: Several changes that I'd like [0:37:22, 0:37:25]: Um to vote on really quickly. [0:37:25, 0:37:27]: And it returns to the virgin one. [0:37:27, 0:37:28]: All right, dude. [0:37:30, 0:37:31]: And I know this is the [0:37:31, 0:37:32]: Yeah. [0:37:32, 0:37:33]: But if [0:37:34, 0:37:38]: My councilmates will just indulge me just for a minute. [0:37:38, 0:37:41]: Um, I'd like to make a motion to add an employee and volunteer. [0:37:41, 0:37:43]: Recognition lunches. [0:37:44, 0:37:44]: Um [0:37:45, 0:37:46]: Next year in December. [0:37:47, 0:37:49]: Uh with the budget amount of [0:37:50, 0:37:51]: Twenty thousand dollars. [0:37:54, 0:38:02]: Well, let me let me mention this. We typically, it wasn't for the pandemic, we typically have a luncheon for employees. Now I don't I doubt very soon it's been twenty thousand dollars. [0:38:02, 0:38:05]: Yeah, I don't think it's been that much, but we typically do that anyway. [0:38:05, 0:38:08]: Uh and that's when we when we do that. [0:38:09, 0:38:10]: Mr. Wayne. [0:38:10, 0:38:12]: Is that in the budget? I'd like to um fund that. [0:38:13, 0:38:14]: And make sure. [0:38:16, 0:38:18]: These are great questions that [0:38:18, 0:38:20]: You're saying uh far as the luncheon. [0:38:20, 0:38:25]: Yes. Yeah, we normally you we normally uh will have the luncheon in um [0:38:25, 0:38:27]: Where would I find that in the budget? [0:38:27, 0:38:30]: Uh you have to look up on the um [0:38:31, 0:38:33]: The executive budget. [0:38:33, 0:38:35]: And um I have to look on sometimes [0:38:35, 0:38:38]: We put money in there for the and and through HR. [0:38:40, 0:38:40]: Hospitality. [0:38:42, 0:38:48]: And then I want to ensure that there is money allocated for it. So I'd like to make a motion for it. Is that okay? [0:38:50, 0:38:51]: But it [0:38:51, 0:38:52]: So [0:38:52, 0:39:02]: What I'm getting at, we have we haven't we typically have that anyway. We have that I I I don't think it's twenty thousand dollars, but we typically have a a a a a holiday um [0:39:03, 0:39:08]: Lunching for all the employees. And this year we had something similar. [0:39:08, 0:39:10]: You're talking about volunteer recognition for [0:39:11, 0:39:15]: Oh o of the people that are not employees. Is that what you're referring to? For us to continue that. [0:39:16, 0:39:16]: I'm sorry. [0:39:17, 0:39:20]: For employees and волонтерs. [0:39:21, 0:39:22]: Oh, the Tio. [0:39:22, 0:39:23]: Okay. [0:39:23, 0:39:26]: We did in twenty eighteen, the gala gala that we had. [0:39:26, 0:39:27]: Right. [0:39:27, 0:39:28]: Yeah, can you? [0:39:29, 0:39:30]: I'd like to make a motion. [0:39:32, 0:39:34]: Hopefully I'll support for my councilmates. [0:39:37, 0:39:40]: May Mayor Fort. Yes, sir. Go ahead, sir. Um [0:39:41, 0:39:46]: I I'm going to second that I I I think it is uh I do understand um [0:39:47, 0:39:52]: Historically, we have had a a luncheon for employees. [0:39:52, 0:39:57]: uh during the holidays. I understand that and because of the pandemic we did not [0:39:57, 0:40:01]: Uh, but I think it will still be uh a great activity. [0:40:01, 0:40:21]: uh if we recognize uh our all of the volunteers, uh the board members, um, because you know all of the the board members are volunteers and um you know we are infringing on their time even though they volunteer uh to be on these boards. Uh it's all about you know moving the city. [0:40:21, 0:40:25]: it forward. So I just think that we should [0:40:26, 0:40:29]: Um sometime in twenty twenty two. [0:40:29, 0:40:43]: um have an event where we reach out and we thank all of our uh board members and volunteers. I I I think because we're all in this together and we we need these type of um [0:40:43, 0:41:03]: uh partnerships, um, you know, collaborations. You know, we have a lot of uh businesses that donate to a lot of um our initiatives, a lot of things that the city is doing. So I just think that we should incorporate uh some activity where we say thank you to our citizens. [0:41:03, 0:41:11]: To our business owners, to everyone that's in this with the city of Stybridge, making sure that we are creating a quality of life. [0:41:11, 0:41:26]: uh for the city of Stockbridge. And you know, we're all in this together moving forward. So I was second that and I think that would be a great activity for the City of Stockbridge to host to say thank you to all of our partners. [0:41:28, 0:41:31]: My motion is made in a second at uh any further discussion. [0:41:31, 0:41:37]: Yeah. Yes. [0:41:37, 0:41:48]: Yeah, first of all, I have this is the first I've heard of this. So how did we come up with the twenty thousand dollar amount? Who what did what is that number based on? It there are concerns about the amount. [0:41:48, 0:41:54]: Well where did you come up with the twenty thousand from? I'm just saying up to twenty thousand. [0:41:55, 0:41:58]: Right, but when we normally do these things we kinda have like a number. [0:41:59, 0:42:04]: on what we're going to do. So you just how did you come up with a twenty thousand dollar number that you want to go up to? [0:42:05, 0:42:06]: Right. I just threw out a number. [0:42:07, 0:42:12]: Right. So Mike, Mike, we want to go back to the staff and get them to look at a number in terms of [0:42:13, 0:42:15]: putting something together to be able to [0:42:15, 0:42:17]: uh come up with a adequate number or we just [0:42:18, 0:42:20]: comfortable with just saying twenty thousand dollars. [0:42:21, 0:42:25]: I believe the city um paid roughly [0:42:26, 0:42:27]: Forty. [0:42:27, 0:42:29]: plus thousand in twenty eighteen. [0:42:31, 0:42:35]: I just took a rough estimate and just said twenty. [0:42:36, 0:42:38]: I will um decrease that. [0:42:39, 0:42:43]: Why don't we that's what that's what I'm saying. Why don't we get a number? [0:42:43, 0:42:45]: These are not to exceed. [0:42:46, 0:42:55]: Not to exceed amounts. All I'm trying to do is make sure that we get it in the budget right now before we finalize it. [0:42:55, 0:42:58]: Yes, if it's necessary for staff to take a look. [0:43:00, 0:43:02]: At what the previous [0:43:02, 0:43:05]: budget was for it, that's fine. I'm okay with that. [0:43:06, 0:43:08]: I just want to make sure that we add. [0:43:09, 0:43:11]: this event to recognize these individuals. [0:43:12, 0:43:14]: In our community partners, that's all. [0:43:14, 0:43:15]: Please. [0:43:15, 0:43:16]: Back and forth. [0:43:17, 0:43:18]: Because it's not necessary. [0:43:18, 0:43:21]: Do I not need to add an amount? [0:43:23, 0:43:43]: Well, I would think that if we're gonna lose the budget for twenty twenty two, we need some type of of uh amount. And obviously this is the first I've heard of as well. And uh so I I have no idea what that uh a good uh solid amount would be in this aspect. And a couple of your councilmates uh want to be recognized. So stand by. [0:43:43, 0:43:46]: Whether this is a separate event. [0:43:46, 0:43:51]: Or whether it's the same it is not this is not gonna be a part of the luncheon. This is a new event. [0:43:53, 0:43:55]: Is that correct, Miss Barber? This is a new [0:43:56, 0:43:57]: It's a new event. [0:43:57, 0:43:59]: That is correct. [0:43:59, 0:44:00]: This is not a lunch. [0:44:01, 0:44:02]: Okay, this is a new event. Okay. [0:44:06, 0:44:07]: All right, duh. [0:44:07, 0:44:11]: Uh you're okay, so uh Councilman Blount, uh maybe you were next. [0:44:12, 0:44:19]: Yeah, Mayor, um I would like, you know, I have I have no problem with us recognizing volunteers. Uh [0:44:19, 0:44:24]: for the city, but I'm in agreement. I guess it's my first time hearing it also. [0:44:24, 0:44:28]: Um but when you have accounts for the uh executive account. [0:44:28, 0:44:32]: uh budget and the HR budget that we do have funding in right now. [0:44:33, 0:44:41]: I think to find out what fundings we can use from those counts that's already there would be for us. And when we talk about an event in 2018. [0:44:42, 0:44:49]: That was event that was mo mu uh monumentus event that was anomal anomaly to anything that we would do. We had just come out of uh [0:44:49, 0:45:04]: uh you know really uh stop reason being kept whole and those that are on the uh those those soldiers that we uh recognize that was on the f ground running that was putting up their time, money and efforts and all this that was just so that type of event was uh uh [0:45:04, 0:45:22]: was really one that that I I think the whole council at the time wanted to say, hey, we need to we we need to really make that event shine in that type of way. We obvious I I'm obviously believing that uh recognizing uh volunteers are is a good thing, but we I think that to have something formulated [0:45:22, 0:45:26]: That staff can work on and and a template that we could go off of rather than just [0:45:27, 0:45:34]: Come on here throwing out a twenty thousand dollar budget and then say, Well, I'm really cut this down. I think to really get that formulated itself. [0:45:34, 0:45:41]: Uh and see how we move forward because we already have it and need to add a little bit more, it will still be in the purview of the uh city manager to do that. [0:45:42, 0:45:52]: Uh so I I just think that we have to be careful and cautious how many city events along with initiative that we're putting out there, remember we still have an amphitheater that's gonna have an event schedule also. [0:45:52, 0:45:55]: So I think that some collaborations on all fronts need to be kind of [0:45:56, 0:46:02]: You know, we we might need to pump our brakes with so much that we're adding because we do have an amphitheater that's gonna be [0:46:02, 0:46:08]: up and vibrant next year as well. So um I I I just think we we we need to let staff [0:46:08, 0:46:17]: Get uh you know, go to the drawing board and say where can we put this? How much money this something like this would cost? And and it won't definitely won't be at the uh magnitude of twenty eighteen. [0:46:18, 0:46:20]: Okay, um Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. [0:46:22, 0:46:27]: The motion that I believe that I heard from uh Councilwoman Barber. [0:46:28, 0:46:31]: Uh she said up up two twenty. [0:46:31, 0:46:38]: I I would recommend uh Councilwoman Barber to add to the motion uh to test staff. [0:46:39, 0:46:40]: uh to research. [0:46:41, 0:46:43]: Um the motion has been made. [0:46:44, 0:46:46]: In the motion it said up to twenty. [0:46:46, 0:46:49]: Um none of this is written in stone. [0:46:49, 0:46:50]: Uh, I know we sort of [0:46:51, 0:46:59]: discussing, discussing, discussing, but I just recommend Councilman Bob just include in your motion to um [0:46:59, 0:47:03]: um to ask staff to to do the research and and ladies and gentlemen. [0:47:04, 0:47:12]: Let's let's move on. The motion said up to 20,000. Let the staff do the research and then once that happened, we can discuss this further. [0:47:13, 0:47:16]: Uh oh I'm I'm okay with that and we can add that in there. [0:47:18, 0:47:20]: Is Barber? [0:47:20, 0:47:21]: Amend my motion. [0:47:21, 0:47:23]: To test ad. [0:47:23, 0:47:25]: with doing the research. [0:47:27, 0:47:27]: I see I can. [0:47:29, 0:47:29]: And [0:47:30, 0:47:31]: Oh, I forgot. Not um [0:47:32, 0:47:33]: Present. [0:47:33, 0:47:35]: Do not exceed twenty thousand miles. [0:47:35, 0:47:38]: Twenty thousand dollars, I'm sorry. [0:47:39, 0:47:40]: Okay. [0:47:40, 0:47:42]: Mr. Thomas, you second that, right, sir? [0:47:42, 0:47:44]: Yes. Okay. [0:47:45, 0:47:46]: Uh, all in favor, please indicate. [0:47:48, 0:47:50]: And Mr. Blount, uh I guess you approved that as well. [0:47:51, 0:47:59]: Yeah, the only reason I'm abstaining because we have uh we have people in place to let us know whether we may not even have to [0:47:59, 0:48:05]: We're pr we're we're bringing stuff to approve such as this when funding could could may as well already be there. [0:48:06, 0:48:23]: You know, we're adding funding in place that funding could may may as well already be there. While we continue to add funding for events and things, this could have been vetted long before. Not you don't know anything about it, mayor. I don't know anything about it. Mr. Alexander said he doesn't know anything about it. This could have been vetted. [0:48:23, 0:48:38]: prior to this meeting and brought to us and said, hey, either the funding is there now we're saying up to some. We can't come and start asking for these type of fundings and then let's go figure out where we're gonna get it for. Well let's just add, it may already be in here. [0:48:38, 0:48:42]: That if that's an idea, this idea didn't just come up right now. [0:48:43, 0:48:46]: Vet the idea and let's see where we go with that idea. [0:48:46, 0:48:52]: Not not just all c continue to come over here and say up to this, up to this, the funding may already be there. So why are we [0:48:53, 0:49:02]: Going through this and prolonging it, it's just been I I just I I abstain there. All right, no problem. It passes 301. Hi, Miss Barber. You said you had a couple other things. [0:49:02, 0:49:05]: Yes, please. Um I'd like to make a motion. [0:49:05, 0:49:06]: To [0:49:07, 0:49:15]: Task staff with advertising for the grants administrator position under police services. [0:49:15, 0:49:19]: Um and task staff were doing the research, the paying class. [0:49:20, 0:49:22]: uh for this position for a grants administrator. [0:49:23, 0:49:24]: At the [0:49:24, 0:49:27]: I think it falls within sixty five thousand dollars falls within. [0:49:28, 0:49:31]: the range based on the DCA. [0:49:32, 0:49:32]: Um [0:49:32, 0:49:34]: link that I did, but [0:49:34, 0:49:38]: Task them to do their paying class research and advertising for this position. [0:49:39, 0:49:41]: Post a position in January. [0:49:41, 0:49:42]: Um and [0:49:43, 0:49:45]: Chief Tramer already has his position. [0:49:46, 0:49:47]: listed on this or chart. [0:49:48, 0:49:51]: Chief Tramer, is the title of that position? [0:49:51, 0:49:53]: Grants administrator. [0:49:54, 0:49:54]: Getting it. [0:49:55, 0:49:56]: I don't know if it's the coordinator or the [0:49:57, 0:50:06]: No, it was a a finance and grants manager, but we could modify that to a grant administrator with the stipulations that you [0:50:06, 0:50:10]: made regarding salary. I think that would be a fair salary for that position specifically. [0:50:12, 0:50:13]: Well [0:50:13, 0:50:18]: If it's just a title change that I need to make in my motion, I'll do that. [0:50:18, 0:50:21]: Can you repeat that title again, please? [0:50:22, 0:50:25]: Yes, it's a uh finance and grants manager. [0:50:29, 0:50:30]: Okay. [0:50:31, 0:50:34]: We want to find that position for twenty twenty two. [0:50:35, 0:50:40]: um with a salary of 65,000. I think that falls in the range. [0:50:41, 0:50:43]: That's my motion. Okay, is there a second to the motion? [0:50:45, 0:50:46]: That's okay. [0:50:46, 0:50:50]: Commare uh councilman Thomas Second's that. Commeror put him you had your hand up. [0:50:50, 0:50:56]: Yeah, I wanna understand it the position is in the police department now, cause it is it they're only gonna be doing [0:50:57, 0:51:06]: Uh are they are they gonna be in the police department? Because again we're bringing on a new city manager, we're creating this position. Might it be helpful that the [0:51:06, 0:51:17]: uh that it be citywide uh so the position can apply for grants for all of us or it's under the police department. There's a particular reason that it's under the police department. [0:51:17, 0:51:31]: Right now, the police department is priority and having a grants person in place right now to focus on acquiring all of those items that the police department will need. I believe that is. [0:51:31, 0:51:35]: Critical. You see, he's bringing forward things right now. [0:51:35, 0:51:39]: We're using farm funding for it. If we had a grants professional here. [0:51:40, 0:51:47]: They may have identified some grants. So the sooner the better. For both of them, remember, I asked for us to fund. [0:51:47, 0:51:50]: Two positions, two rent positions. [0:51:51, 0:51:51]: We only need. [0:51:53, 0:51:56]: Right. [0:51:56, 0:52:04]: Is priority. I figured let's feel it now. He already has the position, the job description, all of that is already in place. [0:52:06, 0:52:15]: My position is that this position needs to be under the city manager so they can apply for grass. Of course, that position can also be. [0:52:15, 0:52:21]: apply for grants for the police department and every department for trails, for everything. Somebody specific. [0:52:22, 0:52:34]: With those qualifications, why are they just limited to be under the police department? They're not applying for grants just for the police department. We don't need but one person and that person can apply for grants for everybody. [0:52:35, 0:52:38]: Okay, that's fine. I'm I'm fine with that. So we'll stick with [0:52:39, 0:52:40]: Um the original [0:52:42, 0:52:42]: Um [0:52:44, 0:52:45]: Job title. [0:52:45, 0:52:46]: That I suggested. [0:52:46, 0:52:50]: grants administrator and it should be an individual who [0:52:51, 0:52:52]: Газперієць і [0:52:53, 0:52:55]: Uh community development bro block grants. [0:52:56, 0:52:56]: Right. [0:52:57, 0:53:05]: Items that are needed for police services. Let's move on. Well, let me ask this. I I believe there's always a grant already a grant writer on the org chart. [0:53:06, 0:53:07]: With the treasure, is that not right? [0:53:08, 0:53:08]: And [0:53:09, 0:53:11]: It is true, but it's not funded though. [0:53:11, 0:53:14]: They're just positions. [0:53:16, 0:53:20]: I'm trying to fund these positions. I did ask at the last [0:53:20, 0:53:26]: couple of meetings ago to move the p the grants position that is currently under [0:53:26, 0:53:28]: Mr Wiggins. [0:53:28, 0:53:32]: Move that under the city manager on the org chart. [0:53:34, 0:53:43]: That's my I'm okay with that. I just don't think it should be under just the police. I want grants for everybody. And I think the police department can have it. So I'm okay with that just as long as it's [0:53:43, 0:53:48]: uh a overall arching under the city manager so that person has that [0:53:48, 0:53:55]: uh could uh has that control and I want the city manager to be empowered to control these things. Yeah. Thank you. [0:53:56, 0:54:01]: Per second. Can we all right. So does that does that now equate to the same motion that was seconded though? I'd I'm [0:54:02, 0:54:08]: Uh'cause your motion dealt with the police department. I now we're leaning towards five. I my original motion. [0:54:08, 0:54:09]: Okay. [0:54:09, 0:54:10]: No. [0:54:11, 0:54:13]: My motion is that we task staff. [0:54:14, 0:54:21]: with um identifying or researching the paying class for grants administrator position. [0:54:22, 0:54:23]: Find that position. [0:54:24, 0:54:27]: На токсе фази. [0:54:28, 0:54:31]: In addition to my motion, I'm tasking staff [0:54:31, 0:54:32]: The post [0:54:33, 0:54:34]: The job description. [0:54:35, 0:54:37]: In Janu beginning in January. [0:54:38, 0:54:42]: And leave the job description there until an offer has been accepted. [0:54:43, 0:54:51]: Now I initially said um under police services because I know that Chief Tramor already has a job description. [0:54:51, 0:54:53]: Under his department. [0:54:53, 0:54:59]: So are we able to use that job description, maybe make some tweaks to it? [0:54:59, 0:55:00]: Um [0:55:01, 0:55:04]: Or is there already a job description? [0:55:05, 0:55:10]: I I would think the job description already exists for that for that previous one. [0:55:10, 0:55:16]: Well, this one would be for a grants administrator. I believe what is listed under the treasurer. [0:55:17, 0:55:22]: The title is different and the responsibilities more than likely will be different. [0:55:22, 0:55:24]: Is that correct, Mr. Wiggins? [0:55:24, 0:55:27]: Yeah, I think it's a grants coordinator. Um [0:55:27, 0:55:29]: But cheap was it? [0:55:29, 0:55:32]: Was your position um [0:55:32, 0:55:36]: Did it have money associated or j or was it just one position that you [0:55:36, 0:55:38]: was looking for in the future. [0:55:39, 0:55:45]: Uh, this position would be responsible for uh police department procurements and working with your I mean to I'm [0:55:45, 0:55:47]: I'm asking did it have a salary? [0:55:48, 0:55:50]: No, it did. It had a salary range. It it did. [0:55:51, 0:55:53]: It was so it was in your budget for now. [0:55:55, 0:55:56]: It was an unfunded position. [0:55:57, 0:55:59]: Those are unfunding positions. So you [0:55:59, 0:56:00]: It has to be funded. [0:56:01, 0:56:02]: This position here. [0:56:02, 0:56:03]: has to be funded. [0:56:05, 0:56:05]: Yes. [0:56:06, 0:56:09]: Okay. So you're asking for additional six sixty five thousand. [0:56:10, 0:56:11]: And probably [0:56:12, 0:56:15]: twenty twenty three percent of benefits to be added to [0:56:16, 0:56:17]: The city manager's budget. [0:56:18, 0:56:19]: Yes. [0:56:21, 0:56:22]: Yes. [0:56:23, 0:56:24]: Okay. Yeah. [0:56:26, 0:56:27]: I saw [0:56:28, 0:56:34]: Ms. Holliday, could you repeat back the motion to make sure we have this right, please? Make sure it's accurate. [0:56:35, 0:56:38]: Yes, sir. The motion made by Councilwoman Barber. [0:56:40, 0:56:42]: is to [0:56:43, 0:56:46]: Bring in a grants administrator position. [0:56:48, 0:56:52]: А ситі файта, на токси файтазен долар. [0:56:53, 0:56:57]: to move the position from the finance department to the city manager's department. [0:56:58, 0:57:02]: Leave the position there until an offer has been accepted. [0:57:03, 0:57:04]: And [0:57:05, 0:57:10]: The amount again 65,000 plus 23% for benefits. [0:57:11, 0:57:20]: And I believe this is scheduled. The title is Grants Administrator. And I believe this is scheduled to start next month, January. Is that correct? Post post the position in January 2022. [0:57:20, 0:57:21]: Yeah. [0:57:21, 0:57:28]: Miss, I just want one more question if I could uh well stand by for a second before you ask that question. Miss Barber, is that the motion that you wanted? [0:57:30, 0:57:35]: Okay. Go ahead, uh Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. Yeah, Ms. Wheeler on the call. Yes, she is. [0:57:35, 0:57:40]: Okay. Uh we have a salary range with for this position. Does she have it or no? [0:57:42, 0:57:48]: She's here, you hears you. The salary range for a grants administrator is what you're asking for? [0:57:48, 0:57:49]: You're right. [0:57:50, 0:57:51]: We do not have that. [0:57:52, 0:57:54]: I will have to add that to the pay plan. [0:57:55, 0:57:58]: Because the grants position that's under the finance department. [0:57:59, 0:58:00]: was a [0:58:00, 0:58:01]: Um [0:58:03, 0:58:04]: Contract position. [0:58:05, 0:58:09]: We went out, we we were asking for a contractor to come in and do that. [0:58:09, 0:58:12]: So we would need to add that to the pay plan. [0:58:12, 0:58:14]: And go out and do a [0:58:15, 0:58:18]: A pay study to see what the pay range should be for that position. [0:58:19, 0:58:21]: Along with the job description. [0:58:21, 0:58:24]: I'll have to pull that together and submit it to council. [0:58:24, 0:58:27]: So how do we come up with the sixty five thousand dollars? [0:58:27, 0:58:30]: Because I did some research on grant administrator. [0:58:31, 0:58:32]: They based on the DA. [0:58:33, 0:58:35]: You will look at calorie range here. [0:58:36, 0:58:40]: So my motion will is in is to include [0:58:41, 0:58:43]: have staff to do the research. [0:58:43, 0:58:46]: Just uh staff to do the research. Thank you. [0:58:50, 0:58:52]: That motion's been made. Has it has it actually been seconded? [0:58:54, 0:58:55]: Second. [0:58:56, 0:58:58]: Okay, Councilman Thomas seconds that motion any further discussion. [0:59:01, 0:59:10]: Okay, all favorite motion, please indicate. Mayor, you can't see me. I cannot. I I I I could not see you, sir, because the way the no, what's what's on your mind, sir? Go ahead. [0:59:11, 0:59:12]: Bear once again [0:59:13, 0:59:14]: We as council members. [0:59:15, 0:59:18]: Have to get with staff before we start spewing out numbers. [0:59:19, 0:59:28]: Uh there was nowhere that we can find where$65,000 came from from our HR. Not council members, but from our [0:59:28, 0:59:35]: HR department that the that can show us the wages of these different positions. [0:59:35, 0:59:40]: And I believe that we're moving a little prematurely if we want our city manager to determine. [0:59:40, 0:59:48]: Whether that position needs to be under him or under finance. This is why you have department heads. You have the head of finance, you have positions under it. [0:59:49, 0:59:58]: We're moving a little prematurely for positions and we're putting amounts on these positions that are that HR didn't even have. [0:59:59, 1:00:06]: We're the elected body and we can say we want these positions, but ask HR and SD different entities to bring us the information. [1:00:06, 1:00:11]: We can't just say, hey, let's get a position, but we've never sit here and said. [1:00:11, 1:00:15]: We don't sit on here and say what we're gonna pay somebody and let's go get them. [1:00:16, 1:00:27]: And then we now put a face to the amount we said. We always get the person and then we put amount on them off a range that's given to us by HR. We're at we're doing this totally backwards right now. [1:00:27, 1:00:47]: I would ask this council to seek HR for the information we need. I would ask counselor to quit putting amounts out that HR doesn't have. I would ask counselor to wait on our city manager to come in and determine whether that position needs to be on him or on the on the finance head and that they report to the finance head and then he gets the information. [1:00:47, 1:00:48]: From there. [1:00:49, 1:01:07]: We're not to manage the city. We're here to set legislation and move with a legislative body. Why are we putting ourselves in the management of the city when we have a manager city manager coming? It makes no sense. And we have HR to give us exactly what we we don't have right now that we're being given by an elected official. [1:01:07, 1:01:09]: Makes no sense to me. [1:01:09, 1:01:13]: Mayor. Hold on a second. May uh Councilman Barber, go ahead, please. [1:01:13, 1:01:20]: This one as the call for the bottom, please. I have two NairPo Tim. [1:01:21, 1:01:28]: Yeah, I just I think what we got in the clarification was that the sixty five thousand dollars is going to be a placeholder. [1:01:28, 1:01:32]: And then we are tasking staff with actually doing the research. [1:01:32, 1:01:33]: Is that correct? [1:01:34, 1:01:34]: That's correct. [1:01:35, 1:01:41]: Okay, that lets that so we need to make sure that we state it that way so everybody knows and understand again the task this tack. [1:01:41, 1:01:44]: is tasked with actually doing the work. We're not gonna skip that step. [1:01:45, 1:01:47]: Yeah, this is just a placeholder so that we [1:01:47, 1:01:52]: uh that we can um there is some funding allocated in the budget for the position. [1:01:53, 1:01:54]: Five thousand. [1:01:55, 1:01:58]: Right. So okay, thank you. Please call for the vote. [1:01:58, 1:02:02]: Mayor, question. Yeah, go ahead, Mayor. Um Mr Mr. Blount. [1:02:02, 1:02:06]: Ms. Wheeler's on the phone. What does she say that position range is? [1:02:08, 1:02:19]: If she doesn't have that position range, we don't know if we're falling below the range for this size city or what. These things should be vetted prior to this meeting. I I I I'm not against the position. [1:02:20, 1:02:24]: I'm against the procedure we're taking right now when it comes to these positions. [1:02:24, 1:02:33]: We got HR on the phone right now that should have a salary range if this was vetted prior to this meeting. Miss Weaver, do you have a salary range for this position? [1:02:34, 1:02:39]: Not for the position that Miss Barber is asking us to research for. [1:02:40, 1:02:43]: I only we we have to go out and do the research. [1:02:44, 1:02:47]: So I can pr get that information, get a job description for you. [1:02:47, 1:02:51]: along with the pay scale for the position so that you can approve it. [1:02:52, 1:02:55]: Bring it back to the council for approval. [1:02:56, 1:02:56]: Right. [1:02:57, 1:02:57]: Thank you. [1:02:58, 1:02:58]: All right. [1:02:59, 1:03:00]: Any other discussion? [1:03:01, 1:03:04]: All right. The motion has been made. It's been seconded. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:03:06, 1:03:18]: All right. Um Mayor, you'll have to call the vote because I'm able I'm a I'm proceed. Uh Barber, Alexander, and Thomas voted, uh approved it. Uh Councilman Blount, your vote please. [1:03:19, 1:03:22]: You said would you vote no or abstain? [1:03:23, 1:03:32]: I vote no, Mayor. We should HR needs to let us know about this position. Okay. Motion passed three one zero. Thank you. All right, Miss Barber, I think you had one more. [1:03:32, 1:03:37]: Yes, I want to confirm with the treasurer, the executive assistant to mayor and council position. [1:03:38, 1:03:40]: I want to make sure that it is funded. [1:03:41, 1:03:42]: It is, it's still in there. [1:03:43, 1:03:43]: Okay. [1:03:44, 1:03:55]: And well, I want to make a motion to task staff to begin advertising it and leave it open until an offer has been received. [1:03:56, 1:03:57]: Or accepted. [1:03:59, 1:04:01]: Is there a second? Is that a motion? [1:04:02, 1:04:06]: Discussion. Second. Member Pro Tem seconded that. So discussion. [1:04:10, 1:04:11]: No discussion. [1:04:12, 1:04:13]: Okay, all in favor of motion, please indicate. [1:04:15, 1:04:16]: Okay. [1:04:17, 1:04:29]: Yeah, you'll have to call the vote for me. Okay. Alexander, are you for the motion? Unanimous. Isn't that okay? So Barber, you had for it. Uh Mr. Blount, you voted for the motion? [1:04:31, 1:04:41]: And that's yes, it's unanimous. Okay, all right, all right. There you go. Um Thank you. You're welcome. And one more budget item. Um the youth council budget. [1:04:41, 1:04:44]: the I believe the first reading I don't know [1:04:44, 1:04:50]: I don't think it changed, but I believe it's at twenty one thousand. I want to reduce it by [1:04:50, 1:05:05]: 6,000. We've asked all departments areas where we can decrease their budgets. Um, so with this one, I like to just decrease it by six thousand dollars. We know now the youth department, youth. [1:05:06, 1:05:09]: Is gonna be partnering with the council. [1:05:10, 1:05:12]: And the city on some of our city events. [1:05:13, 1:05:13]: Um [1:05:13, 1:05:19]: I'd like to make a motion to reduce the youth council budget to fifteen thousand. [1:05:20, 1:05:21]: There is a second on the motion. [1:05:22, 1:05:23]: I see okay. [1:05:23, 1:05:26]: All right, Mr. Thomas Second, uh any further discussion? [1:05:27, 1:05:29]: Yes. Go ahead, Mr. Blount. [1:05:30, 1:05:38]: Mayor, you know, I I think that what's going on with our youth with the youth council right now is that the budget that's been set and that has been approved. [1:05:39, 1:05:49]: Uh if there's any funding that has not been used, it goes back into the general fund anyway. I think with the youth now uh with information of uh attending uh [1:05:50, 1:06:10]: uh various uh entities such as uh the uh uh cities united and and to be able to move about we can sit here and approve twenty thousand dollars to recognize volunteers when this is the volunteer position itself they're working with our youth while we reduce this budget and we're increasing other areas i i want us to be consistent in what we're doing i'm not gonna [1:06:10, 1:06:22]: gonna vote to decrease the youth council budget. I think it should stay where it has, where where it is, so the youth council can move about and do better and bigger and better things with our youth with it right now. If they don't use it, then it goes back into general funds anyway. [1:06:24, 1:06:25]: Okay, any further discussion? [1:06:27, 1:06:35]: I I have a question. So go ahead, Mr. Lanzar. So the number of the six thousand dollars. So we decided to cut that from the budget. [1:06:36, 1:06:40]: Because they didn't use it. What was the reason behind the six thousand dollar cut? [1:06:42, 1:06:45]: So the public understands. I just explained that. [1:06:46, 1:06:50]: When we spoke with several department heads, we asked them. [1:06:51, 1:06:53]: Where we can decrease the budget. [1:06:54, 1:06:55]: Just because these [1:06:56, 1:06:57]: proposals. [1:06:57, 1:06:58]: R bean. [1:06:58, 1:07:02]: provided to the council doesn't necessarily mean we have to approve it. [1:07:03, 1:07:07]: Mr. Wiggins, do you have the numbers from last year? [1:07:07, 1:07:08]: From the [1:07:09, 1:07:10]: Youth Council budget. [1:07:11, 1:07:12]: What their total [1:07:12, 1:07:13]: Year spin was [1:07:15, 1:07:17]: This year, well, can you tell me what it is? [1:07:17, 1:07:19]: For this year and last year. [1:07:21, 1:07:22]: Yeah. Um [1:07:24, 1:07:26]: And why is it actually? [1:07:26, 1:07:35]: why he's doing that. Ms. Barber, did you get a chance to talk to the director uh uh uh about there, Erica, about that reduction, your particular reduction here? [1:07:36, 1:07:36]: No. [1:07:37, 1:07:37]: I did not. [1:07:38, 1:07:38]: Okay. [1:07:39, 1:07:45]: I have not spoken other than all of the department heads who come to present to us. [1:07:45, 1:07:47]: Other than those? No, I have not. [1:07:47, 1:07:48]: Okay. [1:07:48, 1:07:50]: Mr. Blank, Mr. Blank, go ahead, please. [1:07:51, 1:07:52]: Mayor, you know [1:07:54, 1:08:04]: You know, that's the proper way of doing things. You you got a youth council budget. Do you know what? And when you talk about comparing last year, remember we're still in the middle of a pandemic here. [1:08:05, 1:08:10]: The use of a fundish funding is gonna be decreased at some point in time. [1:08:11, 1:08:17]: But we believe things are going to be better. So when when we we initially talked about putting this budget in. [1:08:17, 1:08:25]: Let the youth council flourish. When we start just throwing numbers out, let's decrease six thousand dollars and have we even sat down and had a talk with. [1:08:25, 1:08:29]: uh with the youth council the the the uh the person over the youth council [1:08:30, 1:08:38]: I mean, if you're saying you didn't talk to the department heads, wouldn't we talk to the volunteer that's over the youth council trying to removing funding and see if that funding is needed? [1:08:40, 1:08:42]: We're doing stuff so backwards here. It makes no sense to me. [1:08:43, 1:08:46]: You're not even talking to the people you're taking funding from. [1:08:46, 1:08:54]: Why are we decreasing the youth council funding when we're spending all this other money? Why why go in that direction? Makes no sense to me. [1:08:54, 1:08:56]: I just explained my my rationale. [1:08:58, 1:09:00]: Uh Mr. Wiggins, have you f you found that data yet, sir? [1:09:01, 1:09:04]: Looking for this year, but last year we spent about ten thousand. [1:09:05, 1:09:06]: And that's because a lot of things were cut short. [1:09:08, 1:09:12]: Okay. But when you say last year, you're talking about twenty one or you talking about twenty. [1:09:13, 1:09:13]: 2020. [1:09:14, 1:09:18]: 2020. Okay. All right. Okay, mayor. [1:09:18, 1:09:23]: Okay, so all I'm asking is just to reduce it from 21 to 15,000. [1:09:23, 1:09:42]: But but we need to understand why that you're deciding to do that. Did you talk to the board members with the youth council? Responsible. We need to be looking at all departments. I know that Councilman Tom, no, Councilman Blount and Councilwoman Ghent are consistently concerned about our spending and budgets. [1:09:42, 1:09:47]: So I asked all of the department heads that have come here and presented to us. [1:09:48, 1:09:49]: I've spoken with them. [1:09:49, 1:09:56]: I've spoken with them, asked them areas in which we have we can cut, and I believe Mr. Wiggins have included. [1:09:56, 1:09:58]: Those cuts in the budget. [1:09:58, 1:10:00]: I didn't think it was necessary. [1:10:01, 1:10:09]: When I brought forth the motion for the city event for recognizing employees and volunteers. [1:10:10, 1:10:15]: I initially threw out the amount of twenty thousand dollars, not to exceed. [1:10:15, 1:10:22]: However, I also said if we need to scale that back to ten, that's fine. Comparing it to the [1:10:22, 1:10:24]: Holiday Gala that the city [1:10:24, 1:10:30]: had in 2018, which we spent in excess of$40,000 for that. [1:10:30, 1:10:31]: These are just [1:10:31, 1:10:33]: ideas that I have. [1:10:33, 1:10:36]: I know that there is protocol that we have to follow here. [1:10:36, 1:10:38]: Which is why I've asked. [1:10:38, 1:10:41]: Mr. Wiggins to give us the factual information. [1:10:42, 1:10:45]: He just shared with you what we've spent with the council initiative. [1:10:45, 1:10:48]: The council you council last year. [1:10:48, 1:10:50]: Ten thousand dollars. [1:10:51, 1:10:53]: So if I need to justify [1:10:53, 1:10:56]: Why I am decreasing their budget? [1:10:56, 1:10:57]: From twenty one thousand [1:10:58, 1:11:01]: to now fifteen thousand, that's just a six thousand dollar difference. [1:11:03, 1:11:05]: This this year they've spent about fifteen. [1:11:06, 1:11:09]: Fifteen thousand, but they got some more expenditures coming. [1:11:10, 1:11:10]: So [1:11:11, 1:11:11]: Yeah. [1:11:12, 1:11:14]: Yeah, I I see you sure. Time by the same thing. [1:11:15, 1:11:18]: So 15,000 is not a big deal. [1:11:19, 1:11:22]: All right, the ma uh Mr Blount, please. [1:11:22, 1:11:30]: Mayor, right now, wh why you can't look at 2020. 2020, we didn't even have City Hall open. [1:11:30, 1:11:38]: The greatest shutdown throughout this country was in 2020. We can't compare 2020 to anything that we're doing right now. [1:11:38, 1:11:46]: Okay. We didn't even ma Mayor, I'm talking. I'm excited, I'm talking. Wait, Mr. We cannot compare twenty twenty to anything. [1:11:46, 1:11:48]: We can look at 2021. [1:11:49, 1:11:53]: When you throw John Blount in there, John Blount was not for having [1:11:54, 1:12:14]: a New Year's party that Councilwoman Barber suggested last council meeting of$20,000. And Councilman uh Mr. Alexander told her that it would have to go next year because if if you amend the budget, it's for the budget for next year. She said, I'll pull back. So you're willing to have a a a a New Year's, you're willing to throw 20 right off the bat. [1:12:14, 1:12:23]: throw twenty thousand dollars toward a new year's concert or new year's event, but you will now you want to take six thousand dollars from the youth. It makes no sense. [1:12:24, 1:12:44]: Leave the youth budget alone and let's keep this thing moving. Just like it doesn't make any sense why you didn't support the police department. All right. Hold up, hold up, folks. Calm down, calm down. We don't need that. Hold up. Come, Mr. Thomas. I rescind my motion. [1:12:44, 1:12:52]: And the attorneys, um, can you clarify is there a uh speaking limit uh doing a a budget here? There is there's a speaking limit. [1:12:53, 1:12:56]: I'd like to like for us to move on. I think everyone has spoken. [1:12:56, 1:13:08]: over the two term limit. Can we move on? Okay. My motion. You rescend your motion? Okay. Fine. Can I have more items, please? You you originally told me three items. This is number six, I believe. [1:13:09, 1:13:10]: What's going on here? [1:13:11, 1:13:11]: Um [1:13:17, 1:13:18]: Oh, okay. [1:13:18, 1:13:20]: I have one more motion in this. [1:13:21, 1:13:23]: I can wait for this one, I'm sorry. [1:13:24, 1:13:29]: This is on the city events calendar, so I can wait till we get to that item on the agenda. [1:13:29, 1:13:30]: Okay. [1:13:30, 1:13:33]: Good deal. Okay, back to you, Mr. Wiggins. [1:13:34, 1:13:40]: You were you you were this was this all came up during your presentation on the budget. We were talking about the general fund budget. [1:13:40, 1:13:45]: Mr. Thomas. Uh Mayor, would you would you please reemphasize? [1:13:45, 1:13:51]: uh the the the speaking rules so we can sort of um move this uh meeting along tonight. [1:13:51, 1:13:52]: All right. [1:13:52, 1:13:56]: Speaking rules is speak twice and no more than three minutes each time at this point. [1:13:57, 1:13:57]: All right. [1:13:58, 1:13:59]: Uh Mr. Wiggins. [1:14:00, 1:14:01]: Back to you, sir. [1:14:03, 1:14:04]: Okay, with the gent okay. [1:14:05, 1:14:07]: The general form changes. [1:14:08, 1:14:08]: Um [1:14:09, 1:14:12]: Reading from changes from third [1:14:13, 1:14:14]: How long you get? [1:14:14, 1:14:15]: On the third budget. [1:14:16, 1:14:17]: Reading on December thirteenth. [1:14:17, 1:14:18]: Twenty twenty one. [1:14:19, 1:14:21]: Adjunct fund total change. [1:14:22, 1:14:25]: From eighteen point two million to eighteen point three. [1:14:26, 1:14:26]: Right. [1:14:26, 1:14:29]: That was a nine ninety nine thousand six hundred and eighty one. [1:14:31, 1:14:33]: dollar ninety three increase. [1:14:34, 1:14:35]: Yeah. [1:14:35, 1:14:36]: We [1:14:36, 1:14:38]: What I have below. [1:14:38, 1:14:42]: Or some of the changes. We had business services, they decreased their budget by a thousand. [1:14:43, 1:14:46]: Yeah, government building property dec they decrease theirs by [1:14:47, 1:14:48]: Um [1:14:48, 1:14:49]: A hundred. [1:14:49, 1:14:51]: Eleven thousand five hundred. [1:14:51, 1:14:52]: I T [1:14:52, 1:14:54]: was increased by twelve thousand. [1:14:55, 1:14:59]: Municipal court dec decreased by seventy one thousand five sixty one. [1:15:01, 1:15:03]: Police increased about three hundred thousand. [1:15:04, 1:15:07]: Public works decreased their budget by seventy three thousand six. [1:15:08, 1:15:09]: Hundred and fifty six dollars. [1:15:11, 1:15:12]: See the events increase about [1:15:12, 1:15:14]: by fifty thousand. [1:15:15, 1:15:18]: permitting development decrease about [1:15:18, 1:15:21]: By four thousand six hundred plan and zoning. [1:15:21, 1:15:24]: Decreased by six thousand Main Street. [1:15:24, 1:15:25]: decreased by six thousand. [1:15:26, 1:15:27]: Which needed that to [1:15:29, 1:15:30]: Nine nine thousand six eighty one. [1:15:32, 1:15:32]: So now you have [1:15:33, 1:15:34]: Oh of course it. [1:15:35, 1:15:35]: Okay. [1:15:36, 1:15:37]: What's your question? So go ahead. [1:15:37, 1:15:44]: What constitutes the hundred and eleven thousand decrease in government buildings and property decrease? What what what is that? [1:15:44, 1:15:45]: What is that? [1:15:46, 1:15:47]: Okay. [1:15:47, 1:15:48]: Initially [1:15:49, 1:15:51]: This is coming from um [1:15:52, 1:15:53]: The from the the last meeting? [1:15:55, 1:15:55]: Yeah. [1:15:56, 1:16:01]: You have your maintenance agreement agreement which we changed from one hundred and twenty five thousand to fifty thousand. [1:16:02, 1:16:03]: Um [1:16:04, 1:16:06]: The fountain ma maintenance. [1:16:07, 1:16:13]: was uh it's fifteen thousand it was it was is it was reduced from thirty thousand. [1:16:14, 1:16:18]: You had uh now it's ten thousand dollars in your supply materials. [1:16:19, 1:16:20]: That's coming from [1:16:21, 1:16:22]: That was fifteen thousand before. [1:16:24, 1:16:26]: Uh your hand tools and small equipment. [1:16:27, 1:16:30]: It was ten thousand, but now it's two thousand five hundred. [1:16:31, 1:16:34]: Science was reduced from two thousand five hundred to a thousand. [1:16:35, 1:16:40]: Uniforms was reduced from two thousand to one thousand five hundred. [1:16:41, 1:16:42]: Um [1:16:42, 1:16:43]: New building. [1:16:44, 1:16:45]: Um [1:16:45, 1:16:46]: Maintenance. [1:16:46, 1:16:49]: was reduced from ten thousand to five thousand. [1:16:50, 1:16:53]: And computer software was reduced from seven thousand, five thousand. [1:16:53, 1:17:00]: Okay, so who made these changes? The department head made the change or who made these changes? Department head as well as some of the council uh [1:17:01, 1:17:01]: Um [1:17:02, 1:17:03]: S on a couple of them. [1:17:04, 1:17:05]: But mainly um [1:17:05, 1:17:06]: Department. [1:17:07, 1:17:18]: What happened, Mayor what happened, Mayor Pro Tem is that several several council members met with department heads and we went through that individual budget for each of those uh department heads that we were able to meet with. And that's where the changes came from. [1:17:19, 1:17:23]: Okay. All right. Just wanna make sure we're not taking anything out there with [1:17:23, 1:17:28]: negatively impact uh where we're trying to go in terms of the quality that we're trying to get. So [1:17:29, 1:17:31]: The biggest item under that was was what? [1:17:31, 1:17:32]: Again. [1:17:32, 1:17:34]: Uh it was the um [1:17:37, 1:17:38]: The maintenance agreement. [1:17:38, 1:17:40]: Which was at one a hundred and twenty five thousand. [1:17:41, 1:17:42]: Which was reduced to fifty thousand. [1:17:43, 1:17:49]: Okay, what what is the maintenance agreement? What's that? I'm sorry. What explain that what the what the detail [1:17:49, 1:17:50]: I might need [1:17:51, 1:17:54]: I can explain that the main. [1:17:55, 1:17:58]: The maintenance agreement involves the camera and access control. [1:17:59, 1:18:05]: And our goal was last year we would have all of those upgraded and all of the city buildings, but we're not. [1:18:06, 1:18:15]: Because uh Chief Traymar and I are still looking at some additional things. So instead of that being up and running by the first of January, it'll probably be the middle of the year. [1:18:16, 1:18:19]: So that way you save on the maintenance agreement cost. [1:18:20, 1:18:22]: So that where that reduction came from. [1:18:23, 1:18:24]: Okay, thank you. [1:18:27, 1:18:30]: I Mr. Wiggins continue on, unless you unless you're done. [1:18:30, 1:18:33]: I I'm done. With this is j this is just for the general funnel. [1:18:34, 1:18:36]: If anybody ain't got any more questions about the jump on. [1:18:38, 1:18:40]: Okay. [1:18:40, 1:18:41]: Yes, sir. [1:18:41, 1:18:43]: Uh Ms. Tom Squay, please. [1:18:43, 1:18:44]: I have a motion. [1:18:46, 1:18:47]: What's that sir? Go ahead. [1:18:47, 1:18:51]: If if if Mr. Wills if Mr. Wiggins is finished with his presentation. [1:18:52, 1:18:53]: Oh yeah. [1:18:54, 1:18:58]: Uh Mayor Councilor, um I move to amend the assistant [1:18:59, 1:19:03]: Public works, directed job description, minimum qualification. [1:19:04, 1:19:05]: And it reads as follows. [1:19:06, 1:19:09]: A bachelor's degree in civil engineering. [1:19:10, 1:19:12]: A related field of engineering. [1:19:13, 1:19:15]: Environmental science or technology. [1:19:16, 1:19:19]: Requiring seven years of experience in public works. [1:19:19, 1:19:21]: Including water. [1:19:22, 1:19:22]: Sure. [1:19:23, 1:19:24]: Stone water. [1:19:25, 1:19:27]: Solid waste management. [1:19:27, 1:19:29]: Streets and roads. [1:19:30, 1:19:30]: Parks. [1:19:32, 1:19:34]: and facility and fleet maintenance. [1:19:35, 1:19:38]: with an equivalent combination of education and training. [1:19:39, 1:19:40]: And experience. [1:19:41, 1:19:50]: which provides the required knowledge, skills, and ability for this job will be considered with the required engineering degree. [1:19:50, 1:19:53]: and a valid state of Georgia uh driver's license. [1:19:55, 1:20:00]: All right. So that's uh additional that's part of the job description that you're you're requesting in. [1:20:00, 1:20:03]: Yeah, I well the motion is to amend [1:20:04, 1:20:08]: uh the qualification, not job description, but the uh qualification. [1:20:09, 1:20:09]: Okay. [1:20:10, 1:20:16]: All right. Is there a second? Okay. May I put ten second that any further discussion? [1:20:16, 1:20:25]: I just wanna one other thing. Now, uh, in terms of uh what we're doing here, this person is coming in as assistant, is this operations person? [1:20:25, 1:20:29]: with the engineering background and all of that, is there something that uh [1:20:30, 1:20:32]: Uh is in there specifically about [1:20:32, 1:20:38]: uh some type uh operations. I guess this person uh will be coming in in terms of [1:20:38, 1:20:42]: Uh operations. Uh is that anything in there referring to that? [1:20:43, 1:20:46]: Well the the the basic issue is [1:20:46, 1:20:55]: Um, you know, every time the city needs an engineer, we we have to go outside. Right. Right and and this person coming in. [1:20:55, 1:20:57]: Uh we'll held that and and [1:20:58, 1:20:58]: Um [1:20:59, 1:21:05]: The years of experience has has increased from three uh to seven. [1:21:05, 1:21:09]: And and and again, my my point and my position is [1:21:09, 1:21:11]: Uh how do we [1:21:11, 1:21:14]: Do things more efficient and effective. [1:21:15, 1:21:17]: How do we improve? [1:21:17, 1:21:19]: Uh on everything that we do. [1:21:20, 1:21:20]: Um [1:21:21, 1:21:41]: Now, even though we're in the budget cycle now, but I plan to continue to look in all departments to see where we need some improvements. And so I just sort of see this now, you know, public works, community development, those are the two large. [1:21:40, 1:21:49]: Largest departments and with the police department coming on. So if you just look at those three departments, uh, it is very crucial. [1:21:49, 1:22:01]: uh that we saw to just you know to do the best we can. So uh again, I will be coming forward with other uh recommendation, other amendments, but I just see this is one right now. [1:22:02, 1:22:05]: Um that I think is just just needed uh to go forward, but [1:22:06, 1:22:07]: Uh for me [1:22:08, 1:22:12]: How do we improve on our service delivery? [1:22:13, 1:22:20]: Uh I'm not living on past law of what we did last year and the year before, and the year before it's not acceptable now. [1:22:21, 1:22:26]: Um as the the city grows, uh the demand from citizen grows. [1:22:26, 1:22:31]: And so uh we have to be accountable ourselves at elected officials. [1:22:31, 1:22:33]: And uh it has to trigger down. [1:22:33, 1:22:53]: uh the citizens require that of us and we have to require that of of staff and then that and then and directors have to uh allow that accountability even with uh the personnel that's on them. So it's a trick-a-down effect, but we have to be more efficient, more effective, and we have to improve our service delivery to our citizens. [1:22:53, 1:23:00]: Well, this is exactly what I was looking for so that people can understand that every time something goes wrong, [1:23:00, 1:23:11]: we don't have an engineer on staff. And these qualifications are extremely important because now we have uh we'll have enough engineer uh on staff. So that's why I second this motion. [1:23:12, 1:23:14]: Uh Miss Barber, go ahead, please. [1:23:20, 1:23:21]: Ms. Barber. [1:23:28, 1:23:31]: Yes. Okay. Uh Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [1:23:32, 1:23:37]: Mayor, uh I'm not in disapproval of any biz positions that we [1:23:37, 1:23:38]: Bring in that will help. [1:23:39, 1:23:41]: To facilitate the needs of the city. [1:23:41, 1:23:45]: But once again I would say that we are bringing on a city manager. [1:23:46, 1:23:55]: And if this I would ask that we will let the city manager go through each department and with the recommendations from the city council, let us know how much that need can facilitate. [1:23:55, 1:23:57]: Or what can be done and what can be moved. [1:23:58, 1:24:02]: Uh I'm I think we're in a golden opportunity right now with the city that that [1:24:03, 1:24:07]: Collaborately with the city council and what we're able to approve and what we can can approve. [1:24:07, 1:24:11]: that we can work with the uh city manager in order to go through each department. [1:24:12, 1:24:15]: to determine and facilitate each department's needs. [1:24:15, 1:24:21]: Um and so I I I I think that this this would be the the way to go and um [1:24:22, 1:24:31]: Mr. Aaron, because I I don't know where did this come where is the job description? Is it enlightenment to any other city or how did we come about these uh job descriptions? [1:24:32, 1:24:40]: Well, my only concern to this is engineers are like doctors, engineers specialize. Not every engineer can [1:24:41, 1:25:01]: work in every discipline. Some specialize in utilities, some specialize in civil engineering. And I don't want people to be under the impression because you hire an engineer, you'll no longer need an outside engineer because that engineer might not specialize in design water and sewer improvements or stormwater improvements. He might not specialize like [1:25:01, 1:25:21]: Be doing this East Atlanta uh Lee Street improvement. He might not be able to design that an engineer is not going to be knowledgeable in all disciplines. I think one of the things if you're looking for somebody is that somebody have knowledge of public works operations and project management. Just because [1:25:21, 1:25:22]: they have an engineer. [1:25:22, 1:25:42]: on their title does not mean that they're gonna save the city a lot of money in engineering fees because if that's not a part of their discipline, you're still gonna have to find an engineer to be able to design and and draw those plans. So I just would like if it's a position that is someone that's knowledgeable of public works. [1:25:42, 1:26:02]: That they worked in the field, they can operate equipment, they can read plans, they can meet with engineers and designers and contractors and talk their language and make sure that the city gets the project that it's spending its money for. There are people out there that they might not have a degree, but they're good project managers. [1:26:02, 1:26:08]: They've managed million dollar projects and they could bring those projects to fruition. [1:26:08, 1:26:11]: Because they have that experience. They've been out there. [1:26:11, 1:26:25]: And they they've earned their stripes doing this type of work. And I just don't want to see us box ourselves in that it's gotta be an engineer. When if you get an engineer, he might have an engineering degree, but he might not be able to work in all the disciplines that we need. [1:26:26, 1:26:32]: Thank you. Just a follow-up with Mr. Aaron. This is why I would hope that we would allow the city manager. [1:26:33, 1:26:39]: what what this what what the council needs that the city manager would take those needs to you mr aaron [1:26:40, 1:27:00]: And he would facilitate those departments with the job description along with HR that's needed for those positions. And then we get the price range for those positions. And then we fill those positions. I would hope that this council would go that route. And that way, our needs are being fulfilled as a council. The needs of that department is being fulfilled, and we'll put [1:26:59, 1:27:06]: putting that position, uh the the the uh initiator of that position in the hands of the city manager. [1:27:07, 1:27:09]: Ms. Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [1:27:12, 1:27:16]: Thank you, Mayor Ford. I wanted to ask Mr. Wiggins if he could go back to his last slide. [1:27:17, 1:27:18]: Um, the one that shows [1:27:19, 1:27:22]: A recap of everything that has happened. [1:27:22, 1:27:24]: from the previous reading. [1:27:25, 1:27:27]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. [1:27:27, 1:27:33]: Okay, then um that's one bar that there's a motion and a second on the table, Mayor. [1:27:34, 1:27:35]: That's true it is. [1:27:36, 1:27:46]: That's true it is. Discussion should be surrounding that motion that has been made versus going back to the. [1:27:51, 1:27:52]: You good? [1:27:52, 1:27:57]: point out. Mayor Ford, let me just ask Ms. Bob, is that related to the the motion? [1:28:00, 1:28:01]: No, I'm sorry. [1:28:02, 1:28:19]: Okay, Mayor Ford, you have a motion and a second on the table. Okay. Ms. Wiggins, you can get rid of the slide at this point, please. Oh, Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. You have a motion and a second on the table. I want to know make sure that if there's no other discussion on this particular motion. [1:28:20, 1:28:22]: All right. All right. All in favor, motion, please indicate. [1:28:24, 1:28:25]: Opposed. [1:28:26, 1:28:33]: Abstain. Ma pose deposed, I think the city manager have embarrassment with the with the department head on that position. [1:28:33, 1:28:36]: All right, the motion passed three uh three to one. All right. [1:28:39, 1:28:50]: I I I yield back to you and uh Councilwoman uh Barber Mayor Ford. All right. Uh Mr. Wigan, uh anything else on your presentation that you need to mention to the to the council. [1:28:51, 1:28:53]: Um the only thing I need to mention is um [1:28:55, 1:28:55]: Um [1:28:56, 1:28:58]: If we if we're not voting for the budget. [1:28:58, 1:28:59]: Tonight [1:28:59, 1:29:02]: Then need to go back and then try to insert [1:29:03, 1:29:05]: And let staff work on um [1:29:05, 1:29:07]: Recognition done at the recognition [1:29:07, 1:29:09]: event as well as um [1:29:10, 1:29:11]: The grants administration. [1:29:12, 1:29:13]: We need to put that in. [1:29:14, 1:29:16]: And then that's gonna change the amount again. [1:29:16, 1:29:19]: And all of this will be going to the general fund, so we'll just be [1:29:19, 1:29:21]: uh updating the germ fund. [1:29:22, 1:29:25]: So otherwise with this otherwise you would should find her [1:29:27, 1:29:38]: If I understand correctly, then with these adjustments made, then you have to make some uh with these adjustments made that have been approved, you gotta go back and read and put this all online to make sure we got a balanced budget. [1:29:38, 1:29:42]: And if I understand correctly, that means that uh [1:29:42, 1:29:50]: We could not uh uh approve this particular budget this night. We would have to continue this. I'm asking hold on, I'm asking the question to the treasurer. Relax, please. [1:29:51, 1:29:55]: So I I'm just asking you, Mr. Wiggins. So so is that where you're going with this or not? [1:29:55, 1:29:59]: Well well yeah, exactly where that's where I was going. I mean, I was also [1:30:00, 1:30:01]: Want to mention too. [1:30:01, 1:30:03]: You know, with these changes, if you're approving these changes. [1:30:04, 1:30:04]: The [1:30:05, 1:30:06]: А [1:30:06, 1:30:07]: If you approve the budget [1:30:08, 1:30:09]: Tonight. [1:30:09, 1:30:10]: The [1:30:10, 1:30:13]: knowing that these changes will be will change the uh [1:30:14, 1:30:15]: It tore them out. [1:30:16, 1:30:16]: You know [1:30:17, 1:30:18]: That's not a problem. [1:30:18, 1:30:19]: We can go forward. [1:30:19, 1:30:20]: Bud beer. [1:30:21, 1:30:32]: All right, just need clarification. All right. On that note, this is a public hearing. So uh if unless there's any other comments from the from the council right now, we need to open this up for a public hearing. [1:30:32, 1:30:35]: Yeah, I I have one comment if I'm right here, sir. [1:30:35, 1:30:41]: That Mr. Wiggins, we're on here. Make these adjustments as this meeting goes along. It's time to approve the budget. [1:30:42, 1:30:44]: It's time to approve the budget. Make the adjustments. [1:30:45, 1:30:48]: As we move along in this meeting so we can vote on the budget tonight. [1:30:50, 1:30:50]: All right. [1:30:50, 1:30:53]: So it's what were you saying, um [1:30:54, 1:30:57]: Suspend it and then just bring it back to the mayor. [1:30:57, 1:30:58]: Tonight and then you [1:30:59, 1:31:02]: Y'all gonna y'all gonna go ahead and approve it tonight? [1:31:02, 1:31:04]: Well you can't approve it right now. [1:31:04, 1:31:07]: Well, what first of all, let me before we go that well. [1:31:07, 1:31:11]: He's indicating that we need to prove everything tonight, but we'll find out from the rest of the council just a second. [1:31:11, 1:31:31]: What I want to do now is a public hearing. I want to open up the public hearing. Don't know if we have anybody out there that wants to make any comments and I'm gonna need to ask the question. It's a process we need to go through. So on that note, I'm opening up the public hearing uh for anybody that is for the budget as it is stands right now, or any comments for the budget. And I note I need to ask uh the [1:31:31, 1:31:32]: They [1:31:32, 1:31:36]: The clerk, whether not is anybody out there that she that uh wants to make a [1:31:36, 1:31:45]: Any type of comment for and same thing with the PIO if see anything on Facebook Live or Facebook that needs to make any comments and need to have access to do this. [1:31:45, 1:31:51]: Mayor, this is the clerk. There are two comments, but they are both anonymous and will not be read into the record. [1:31:51, 1:31:53]: All right. Uh how about to um PL? [1:31:54, 1:32:06]: Good evening, Airford. For Facebook, we do have several comments. Nothing directly saying for or against, but there was some talk about youth council budget, people expressing um they were not for it being cut. [1:32:08, 1:32:10]: Okay. Um [1:32:10, 1:32:30]: Hmm. Okay. Well that was what I was asking was for, but now let's ask of get for I'll close that piece. No, no problem. Close that piece. And so is anybody that's for against the the budget uh from either Facebook and or from what Ms. Holliday can find that's against the actual budget itself. And uh if there are no one on phase four. [1:32:30, 1:32:33]: Yeah, no one on Facebook is saying for or no. [1:32:33, 1:32:52]: Okay. All right. All right. Good deal. On that note, I'm going to close the the public hearing on the budget. Now, as the budget has been read and with the amendments and changes of the budget uh that were approved this evening, is there a motion to approve the budget as with those adjustments that were made this evening? [1:32:53, 1:32:54]: Como [1:32:54, 1:32:56]: So move. Is there a second? [1:32:56, 1:32:57]: A circuit. [1:32:58, 1:32:59]: All right. [1:32:59, 1:33:01]: Any further discussion? [1:33:01, 1:33:09]: Mayor I just have one question if you don't mind. Yes, sir. And I I guess the city attorney can get a um can answer this. [1:33:10, 1:33:11]: How are we having a uh [1:33:11, 1:33:12]: Their budget. [1:33:13, 1:33:13]: Oh. [1:33:14, 1:33:21]: We'll open it to the public for comments on a budget that has not been solidified nor w with with the amendments and they're gonna be changes. [1:33:22, 1:33:24]: How are we how are we counting this as a um [1:33:25, 1:33:25]: But [1:33:26, 1:33:33]: Uh as a budget hearing when when when there there are uh several amendments to the budget, this is not the final budget. [1:33:36, 1:33:39]: Once it comes back, we'll see whether or not the mayor will take additional comments on it. [1:33:42, 1:33:47]: I mean and and then councilman it I would also think if that's the case then we would have [1:33:47, 1:33:52]: an inordinate number of budget meetings because then you would have to have three meetings after all amendments. [1:33:53, 1:33:57]: So it could end up lasting like six different meetings to have a the budget passed. [1:33:59, 1:34:03]: Well well well I guess um asked the question is is how can we have an official [1:34:04, 1:34:09]: budget hearing with the citizens on an amount that has yet to be amended. [1:34:09, 1:34:10]: That's [1:34:12, 1:34:13]: I would say [1:34:14, 1:34:19]: I will say Councilman Blount, this isn't official. It's uh it's been publicized as a as a public hearing. [1:34:20, 1:34:32]: and and and individuals can make comments that's why I asked for and against as part of the process. All due respect mayor, I appreciate that. Um it my question is directed to Mr. Berry as far as legal is on this. Okay. [1:34:34, 1:34:38]: Right. I mean I I think that the treasurer is able to calculate those amounts. [1:34:40, 1:34:42]: Otherwise then we would have a uh [1:34:43, 1:34:44]: Yeah, like I said, we would [1:34:45, 1:34:48]: have to have meetings, then no more further amendments and continue. [1:34:49, 1:34:50]: Um [1:34:51, 1:34:55]: You know, c continue, I guess, with no discussion or or any input. [1:34:55, 1:35:00]: And freeze it in time as long as the treasurer can finalize those amounts, I think that's okay. [1:35:00, 1:35:02]: I can state the amount now. [1:35:05, 1:35:09]: Oh you can, Mr. Wade? Yes, because'cause there's only been two two amounts that's [1:35:10, 1:35:12]: That's been stated. Sixty five thousand. [1:35:13, 1:35:15]: And the twenty thousand then I added [1:35:15, 1:35:17]: Twenty three percent on to the sixty three. [1:35:17, 1:35:19]: I mean to the sixty five. [1:35:19, 1:35:20]: Okay. [1:35:21, 1:35:21]: Right now. [1:35:21, 1:35:23]: With those changes. [1:35:25, 1:35:27]: General fund would be at eighteen. [1:35:27, 1:35:30]: Million four hundred eighty thousand. [1:35:30, 1:35:33]: Nine hundred and ninety three dollars and twelve cents. [1:35:35, 1:35:36]: Okay. [1:35:37, 1:35:44]: And if I can just add real quick, any other position that's added could be added through a budget amendment once salary and and [1:35:44, 1:35:47]: You know, is known once the city manager comes on board. [1:35:48, 1:35:48]: That's correct. [1:35:50, 1:35:52]: I'm sorry. [1:35:52, 1:35:58]: I just wanted to um restate the number eighteen four eight zero nine nine three point one two. [1:35:58, 1:35:59]: That's correct. [1:35:59, 1:36:00]: Thank you. [1:36:01, 1:36:15]: Mr. Thomas, you had your hand raised. Well, I I I I just wanted to say that this budget hearing and and other public hearings, it's no different than a zoning hearing where you have conditions. [1:36:15, 1:36:19]: So I I just want to start to just make that statement. Yeah, it it's a public hearing. [1:36:20, 1:36:21]: Thank you. [1:36:22, 1:36:37]: All right. Uh the motion's been made in the second to with the appropriate changes that have been approved tonight that the budget the 2022 budget be approved. That's the motion on the floor. So all in favor of motion, please indicate. One last question mayor before I vote, if you don't mind. [1:36:37, 1:36:39]: Okay. So go ahead. [1:36:40, 1:36:42]: Mr. Wiggins, with the identified [1:36:42, 1:36:42]: Um [1:36:43, 1:36:47]: Sources for the general budget with identified sources. [1:36:48, 1:36:50]: Would this be considered a balanced budget? [1:36:52, 1:36:54]: Yes, because what [1:36:55, 1:36:58]: What we will have to do is just um uh increase our revenue. [1:37:00, 1:37:02]: on the um on the reserves that [1:37:04, 1:37:10]: No, what I'm what I'm I guess you missed the question. With this 18 million off a budget that what what was our budget last year? [1:37:12, 1:37:16]: From the on the general fund was twelve point eight. [1:37:17, 1:37:23]: Yeah. You look you're looking at twelve point eight, so you look you're looking you're looking at almost six million dollars more. [1:37:23, 1:37:25]: What I'm asking you is [1:37:25, 1:37:31]: Is that with with the addition to this budget, which is almost six dollars more, six thousand six million more. [1:37:32, 1:37:38]: with the identified funds for this budget is this would this be considered a balanced budget? [1:37:39, 1:37:40]: Yeah. [1:37:40, 1:37:42]: It it would be considered a balanced budget. [1:37:42, 1:37:43]: Yes. [1:37:43, 1:37:44]: Okay. [1:37:44, 1:37:45]: Because sh yes. [1:37:46, 1:37:51]: 'Cause the expenditures is gonna match the revenue. Revenue is gonna match the expenditures. Yes. [1:37:51, 1:37:52]: Yeah. Okay. [1:37:52, 1:37:56]: Motion's been made in second. All in favor of motion, please indicate. [1:37:57, 1:38:06]: Okay, it's actually a unanimous decision. Fantastic. Okay. Congratulations. We now have a 2022 budget. Look forward to execution of this budget. [1:38:06, 1:38:08]: We're gonna move on to um [1:38:09, 1:38:14]: Murray Manor's Conference Center Building Renovations presented by Ms. Kim Jordan. [1:38:14, 1:38:15]: Please. [1:38:15, 1:38:15]: Ms. Jordan. [1:38:16, 1:38:21]: Yes, thank you. Um Ikani Will Ingram is going to assist with this as well. [1:38:21, 1:38:23]: Okay, Mr. Ingram, good deal. [1:38:26, 1:38:28]: So we have um [1:38:30, 1:38:33]: I think a presentation to put on the screen. Is that right, Carnel? [1:38:36, 1:38:39]: Yes, I'm gonna be pulling that up very shortly. Thank you. Okay. [1:38:40, 1:38:42]: Okay, so with the um [1:38:42, 1:38:44]: Building renovations. [1:38:44, 1:38:49]: The the building was built in two thousand and two, which makes it nearly twenty years old. [1:38:50, 1:38:54]: And it's in need of repairs, a facelift and a refresh to be competitive in the market. [1:38:55, 1:38:57]: Um, not to mention the roof has been leaking. [1:38:57, 1:38:59]: And the ballroom. [1:38:59, 1:39:00]: Um needs [1:39:01, 1:39:02]: Some work done, especially the carpet. [1:39:05, 1:39:07]: А не се кампан би реп'я. [1:39:09, 1:39:10]: So [1:39:15, 1:39:18]: We did a walkthrough recently. [1:39:18, 1:39:20]: To assess what [1:39:20, 1:39:21]: The uh [1:39:23, 1:39:24]: the the ballroom needed. [1:39:26, 1:39:29]: And uh in that walkthrough. [1:39:30, 1:39:31]: Uh we have uh [1:39:32, 1:39:33]: We've we've looked at [1:39:34, 1:39:37]: different the different things that we'll have to do with the roof. [1:39:37, 1:39:40]: Uh we talked with Gordon uh roofing. [1:39:40, 1:39:45]: That price is like ninety four thousand two hundred and fourteen dollars. [1:39:46, 1:39:47]: uh the kitchen [1:39:48, 1:39:52]: And ballroom was about a hundred and seventy thousand in the lower ballroom. [1:39:53, 1:39:54]: Was uh [1:39:55, 1:40:01]: uh uh 70 000. now we have to make some considerations how do we best execute it [1:40:02, 1:40:04]: uh in in a timely manner. [1:40:04, 1:40:06]: That is that is what [1:40:07, 1:40:09]: We are bringing forth to you now. [1:40:09, 1:40:20]: um that we as a team have to go in and do these things and and and and we would want to see if this is the way that the council would want to move. [1:40:20, 1:40:23]: To renovate the moral. [1:40:23, 1:40:27]: Mo Mandor Conference and to bring it back and uh [1:40:27, 1:40:34]: uh for for being able to rent for the different events and and things that we would be having there. [1:40:37, 1:40:47]: And that includes the l lower level, not just the ballroom, but the lower level, which has these uh meeting rooms one through three, which hold about tw uh sixty people when it's open. Um [1:40:47, 1:40:57]: and combined. The training room holds about 40, medium room four holds about 30 people. And it's a total of 5,000 square feet downstairs as well. And it has a separate entrance, obviously. [1:40:58, 1:40:59]: We would um [1:40:59, 1:41:08]: We would like to see the center get the roof fixed first, uh, followed by renovations upstairs and and downstairs. And we see the lower level. [1:41:09, 1:41:09]: Um [1:41:10, 1:41:12]: At a lower [1:41:12, 1:41:15]: rental price point in line with the Ted Strickland. [1:41:15, 1:41:16]: Which we can [1:41:17, 1:41:18]: Make it, you know, around [1:41:18, 1:41:24]: the four hundred, four fifty dollar mark to rent the spaces, which would be comparable to what the tenth strength was. [1:41:27, 1:41:47]: Uh additional uh things that we would consider is a sound system taking out some of the uh countertops in there, putting uh ice machines, so it is an independent event center. Uh the downstairs of the Merrander becomes an independent event center. [1:41:47, 1:41:49]: Uh, much as the Ted Strickland. [1:41:49, 1:41:53]: Uh, since we don't have that facility online anymore. [1:41:57, 1:41:58]: Uh [1:41:58, 1:42:01]: We looked at the bathrooms. Um [1:42:01, 1:42:10]: uh as well. And it's minimal, you know, color schemes and things like that, but it's minimal renovation that would go there. [1:42:10, 1:42:13]: The total cost that we would be looking at. [1:42:14, 1:42:14]: Four. [1:42:14, 1:42:16]: The moral mandor. [1:42:16, 1:42:18]: is uh three thousand [1:42:18, 1:42:19]: Um [1:42:20, 1:42:20]: It's uh [1:42:21, 1:42:30]: Oh, we would look at uh we would look at uh renting it out. It would be about the total renovations three hundred and fourteen thousand dollars. [1:42:30, 1:42:31]: Would be our cost. [1:42:31, 1:42:32]: To do that. [1:42:35, 1:42:40]: Yeah, we already have three thousand thirty-four thousand two hundred and fourteen. Is that [1:42:40, 1:42:41]: Estimated cost. [1:42:41, 1:42:46]: And that includes the roof repair and upstairs that includes all repairs. [1:42:47, 1:42:50]: And we do already have one hundred thousand dollars budgeted. [1:42:50, 1:42:56]: uh that was approved previously and or proposed and it's m uh moving forward with that. [1:42:58, 1:42:59]: Okay. [1:43:00, 1:43:06]: Are there any more slides that you need to show? Because right now that would be all of the slides I'm gonna [1:43:06, 1:43:07]: Undo that. [1:43:14, 1:43:20]: And we are reviewing and working through the contract with the attorneys to um you know modify this once we have [1:43:20, 1:43:23]: Um all the renovations completed. [1:43:23, 1:43:24]: And then we'll [1:43:24, 1:43:26]: Uh we want to show case. [1:43:26, 1:43:28]: [6209.3, 6211.8]: And bring the public in and get them excited about booking. [1:43:32, 1:43:35]: Um I'm yeah, we're already we get calls every day to book [1:43:35, 1:43:37]: uh the rooms, a ballroom. [1:43:37, 1:43:42]: Whatever. In fact, I had someone call me uh wanting to book a wedding for twenty twenty three. [1:43:43, 1:43:45]: So as soon as we get um [1:43:45, 1:43:53]: It up and running again and a showcase and something that can really uh make a mark in the community. We'll have a grand reopening and bring all these. [1:43:54, 1:43:55]: Perspective clients and [1:43:56, 1:44:10]: And we've also talked to tourism. We've talked to tourism in Henry County and there are dollars there. We're discussing that with Mr. Wiggins and we'll have some additional numbers that we can share with you. [1:44:10, 1:44:13]: a as well as a marketing plan. [1:44:13, 1:44:15]: to uh for reopening. [1:44:17, 1:44:19]: All right, uh thank you. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. [1:44:19, 1:44:21]: Thank you, Mayor. Um [1:44:21, 1:44:37]: Uh Mrs. Jordan and Mr. Ingram, um, you know, I've I've had extensive conversation with both of you and Mrs. Jordan, um, since you've been on board and I'm I'm not sure if you had uh an official uh welcoming, um, but welcome to the city of Stockbridge. [1:44:37, 1:44:38]: Thank you so much. [1:44:39, 1:44:59]: You know, you and I have have spoken um a couple of times and and I sort of mentioned to you about a little about the history and with the TED, you know, sharing with you um how we repurposed the TED and that that there was a need for a facility that uh citizens uh economically [1:44:59, 1:45:02]: uh could could actually use. So I'm glad to hear. [1:45:02, 1:45:08]: Uh on the rental uh fee that you're proposing for the downstairs at at the mural. [1:45:09, 1:45:19]: uh I I think is is is really doable. I know we said when we repurposed the the TED that the green room would be that facility, but I am in agreement with [1:45:19, 1:45:22]: Some of the conversations uh, you know, about the green room. [1:45:22, 1:45:27]: So I'm I'm excited and glad to know that you are put your heads together. [1:45:27, 1:45:30]: And you have made the downstairs affordable. [1:45:30, 1:45:31]: Um [1:45:31, 1:45:35]: We all know that um that the mural needs the renovation. [1:45:36, 1:45:38]: Um I made a note of the amount. [1:45:39, 1:45:42]: I'm not gonna get into that because I I think you all are sort of vetting that. [1:45:43, 1:46:03]: But I'm in agreement with that, uh, the fact that it does need the renovation. And again, you know, uh I I speak toward the future. Uh I learn from the past, but we have to grow toward the future. So I know we have to sort of be about these things and making the murmur, even though we have the cultural art. [1:46:03, 1:46:05]: facility coming on in a year two. [1:46:05, 1:46:07]: But we still have to make the mural. [1:46:07, 1:46:09]: A viable uh entity. [1:46:10, 1:46:30]: So we have to do what we have to do, you know, to do that. So I just want to thank you and Mr. Ingram for your due diligence in that is way overdue. I wish we could have gotten some of this done in 2021 during the pandemic, but I know, you know, Mrs. Jordan, you just [1:46:30, 1:46:41]: just got here and I know we um we lost a dear friend and our past um uh manager there. So um, you know, it's never too late to go false. I just wanna say, um [1:46:41, 1:46:44]: Let let's go forward in some manner. Thank you, Eric. [1:46:45, 1:46:46]: Thank you. [1:46:47, 1:46:48]: Any other questions from the council? [1:46:49, 1:46:51]: A reference to the presentation. [1:46:54, 1:47:07]: All right, so is there a motion to accept this proposal of uh going forward with this um particular renovation and roughly start with$100,000 for the roof, but also I guess the total amount is estimated at$334,000. [1:47:10, 1:47:11]: Clear motion. [1:47:11, 1:47:12]: At all. [1:47:12, 1:47:16]: I gotta I'd just like to ask a couple more questions. Okay, what's your question, sir? [1:47:17, 1:47:25]: Again, the Merr Manders is a functional facility. We've been moving forward. The priority was the roof in order to get it going. [1:47:25, 1:47:28]: We got the roof in there. The downtown is a good option for. [1:47:29, 1:47:29]: Um [1:47:30, 1:47:33]: Do we have a itemized list that we could have? [1:47:34, 1:47:38]: looked at for these particular repairs, or do we just kind of got a broad base? [1:47:39, 1:47:52]: Um for that. No, no, there is a list in your package of the specific things in the Merle that we would do. There's the chandeliers, the sconches, the floors, the paint. [1:47:52, 1:47:56]: Uh the sound proofing, all those items are in the [1:47:57, 1:47:58]: In the in [1:47:59, 1:48:19]: Right, I saw the items. Maybe I just scanned over. I did was there a dollar amount assigned to those items or was it just listed? The ballpark for upstairs in the ballroom is one hundred and seventy thousand. Right, right. Is is that that's my assertion. There was a ballpark figure of a hundred and seventy thousand, but yes, what I'm saying is that [1:48:19, 1:48:38]: Have broken down in between the what that what is represented in the$170,000 uh itemized. That would be these items upstairs. It would be the sconched chandeliers and turn those into LED. When the when the um uh mural was first designed. [1:48:38, 1:48:39]: Uh [1:48:39, 1:48:47]: in the in 2000 uh the atmosphere was for cozy so the lighting was [1:48:48, 1:48:55]: uh dimmable but it wasn't bright. Now in the in the 2020s, um [1:48:55, 1:49:08]: People want to take selfies. So you need LED, lots of lighting. Uh so that would be included. The the colors on the walls, uh borders, nine slip floor versus carpet. The carpet. [1:49:08, 1:49:28]: Attracts bacteria. That's a high humidity room, uh, and we haven't seemed to be able to control the high humidity. So when it rains and the air conditioning is on, uh it creates mold. We've had we've had three or four incidents of that. So taking out that carpet, making it a [1:49:28, 1:49:46]: nine slip floor that's where most commercial places are going now with that so all those things would be in we've renovated the kitchen we have a new stove uh and confection oven in the kitchen so it would be just aesthetics of painting and so forth in the kitchen uh so [1:49:46, 1:49:51]: That would be the upstairs, some of the upstairs items that we would have. [1:49:52, 1:49:52]: Uh [1:49:53, 1:50:06]: Uh so the bathrooms again, that would be lighting and and some paint in the entries of those in the main doorway or main entryway as well. That would be included in that 170, those items. [1:50:06, 1:50:10]: Let me be quite frank with you, it honest is that listen. [1:50:10, 1:50:15]: We subsidize this facility every year with a significant amount of money. [1:50:15, 1:50:21]: And then obviously we're not um ever it's not gonna be a situation where we're turning around. [1:50:21, 1:50:23]: A tremendous amount of profit. [1:50:23, 1:50:24]: Uh from so [1:50:25, 1:50:29]: Where is the identified funding gonna come from, Mr. Wiggins? [1:50:32, 1:50:34]: Oh right there you have fifty thousand. [1:50:35, 1:50:38]: in the um budget right now and I think um [1:50:39, 1:50:40]: With the approval [1:50:40, 1:50:42]: I think the Rufus were gonna get started. [1:50:43, 1:50:44]: This this [1:50:44, 1:50:45]: For before [1:50:46, 1:50:47]: Um yeah, you were. [1:50:48, 1:50:56]: So we've hold on, this request is for three hundred and thirty three hundred and how much thousand dollars. Where's that? Where are we funding that from? [1:50:56, 1:50:59]: If I can print, I I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll get to that. [1:50:59, 1:51:02]: Okay. This this right now the fifty thousand. [1:51:02, 1:51:06]: Which will which is this would be a project which will move over into [1:51:07, 1:51:08]: Twenty twenty two. [1:51:08, 1:51:11]: Twenty twenty two, you have a hundred and fifty thousand. [1:51:11, 1:51:14]: So the hundred and fifty thousand plus the fifty thousand is two hundred. [1:51:15, 1:51:16]: Mm-hmm. [1:51:16, 1:51:18]: Talking um [1:51:19, 1:51:24]: Uh final about hotel using hot you can use hotel motel toward this. [1:51:25, 1:51:28]: And we can take we can use 134,000 dollars. [1:51:28, 1:51:29]: Of hotel motel. [1:51:30, 1:51:31]: To finish out the project. [1:51:32, 1:51:40]: Okay, well that sounds very so we uh so we can use hotel motel tax for this to for the difference. Okay. Okay. [1:51:40, 1:51:42]: Something you can use for that. And now [1:51:42, 1:51:47]: We can we can now we're gonna make sure we're gonna confirm this and talk to Mr. Washington. [1:51:47, 1:51:48]: And uh Mr. Berry [1:51:49, 1:51:51]: And I think the corner was already [1:51:51, 1:51:53]: All already got some information. [1:51:54, 1:51:55]: From his look. [1:51:55, 1:52:00]: From um here we came. Laura Lucre at tourism. [1:52:00, 1:52:10]: And uh so she has said that of the we have eight per eight percent uh of of hotel those that hotel tax. [1:52:10, 1:52:16]: 18.7% of that eight percent can be used for product development. [1:52:16, 1:52:20]: And so we can use it for any items that we would like. [1:52:20, 1:52:35]: And uh 37.5 percent of that eight percent could is is is unrestricted. So we can use that though those two buckets of the three buckets of that those dollars, those tax dollars that we have uh for. [1:52:35, 1:52:38]: uh for for building fund if we so choose. [1:52:39, 1:52:43]: Mayor, could I ask the attorneys to weigh in? Have they had any type of [1:52:43, 1:52:50]: conversation or do they have an opinion on what was just stated? Uh yeah, you sure you can and they're right here. They hear you. So go right here, please. [1:52:51, 1:52:59]: Mayor Pro Tem, I have not been part of any conversations. But ordinarily hotel motel tax can be used for tourism and that type of activities, but [1:52:59, 1:53:05]: Happy to to have further discussions offline, you know, and and make sure that the text can be used or [1:53:06, 1:53:07]: This can be properly funded. [1:53:08, 1:53:10]: Okay. Based on what based on what [1:53:10, 1:53:12]: I've heard tonight. [1:53:12, 1:53:15]: I'm willing to make a motion to go forward to approve. [1:53:16, 1:53:18]: Uh what has been recommended by uh [1:53:19, 1:53:21]: The Merrill Menders uh staff. [1:53:21, 1:53:27]: Whereas fifty thousand dollars is available this year, another hundred and fifty thousand dollars is available [1:53:28, 1:53:29]: Next year. [1:53:29, 1:53:32]: And with the contingency that [1:53:32, 1:53:35]: The whole tail moltel tax can be made [1:53:35, 1:53:37]: to use for the [1:53:37, 1:53:42]: uh remainder fully funding this project um with those dollars. [1:53:43, 1:53:45]: All right. Is there a second to the motion? [1:53:46, 1:53:48]: Because I I I second that. [1:53:48, 1:53:48]: Okay. [1:53:50, 1:53:53]: I stuck in there with a comment. Yes, sir, you can. [1:53:53, 1:54:06]: I I do second that, but I do want to confirm that the Murray Manders is a uh tourism uh entity and and those funds can be used um for for that as far as uh [1:54:06, 1:54:09]: Uh it's all about tourism. So yes. [1:54:10, 1:54:13]: Yeah, the simple fact that you you advertise on your billboard. [1:54:14, 1:54:20]: uh trying to draw people outside of stockbridge into stockbridge for that particular purpose. [1:54:20, 1:54:21]: Of using mirror manners. [1:54:22, 1:54:24]: It's it's uh you can use hotel motel. [1:54:25, 1:54:30]: Yes. And we have uh some we have some uh uh documentation from [1:54:31, 1:54:31]: See [1:54:31, 1:54:35]: Uh tourism uh director uh мисс локар. [1:54:35, 1:54:39]: To substantiate that that we can share with you. [1:54:41, 1:54:41]: Okay. [1:54:42, 1:54:45]: Good deal. Motion's been made, been seconded. Any further discussion? [1:54:46, 1:54:49]: And if not, uh all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:54:51, 1:54:59]: Mr. Blount. Okay, every now is decision. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Uh Mr. Jordan, Mr. Jordan and Conywell. We're now going to a new bit. [1:55:00, 1:55:02]: They're now going to new business. [1:55:02, 1:55:07]: Council consideration to approve and publish the 2022 public meeting schedules. [1:55:07, 1:55:09]: Uh presented by Miss Holliday, please. [1:55:13, 1:55:15]: Good evening, Mayor Council. Good evening. [1:55:16, 1:55:33]: The clerk's office is presenting the 2022 public meeting schedules for the stock created city council, Main Street Advisory Board, Downtown Development Authority, Planning Commission, Youth Council, and Youth Town Council Advisor. [1:55:33, 1:55:34]: Yeah. [1:55:34, 1:55:36]: Yeah, we're gonna have some type of feedback there. [1:55:36, 1:55:38]: That yeah, she's turned it off. [1:55:38, 1:55:46]: Okay. So upon approval, um, the meeting schedules will be published in the Henry County, I'm sorry, in the Henry Harold, the city's legal organ. [1:55:47, 1:55:53]: All boards and committees have approved their recommended schedules as follows. [1:55:53, 1:56:00]: The DDA will hold its meetings on the third Tuesday of each month virtually until further notice at 6 p.m. [1:56:01, 1:56:12]: The Main Street Advisory Board will hold meetings on the second Friday of each month at 9 a.m. unless otherwise noted, and we'll meet virtually until further notice. [1:56:13, 1:56:19]: The planning commission will meet on the fourth Thursday of each month at 6 p.m. All meetings will be virtual. [1:56:20, 1:56:27]: The Youth Council Advisory Committee will meet on the third Tuesday of each month at 6 30 p.m. in the Patrick Henry meeting room. [1:56:29, 1:56:36]: The youth council will meet on the second Wednesday of each month at five thirty PM in the Levi meeting room. [1:56:37, 1:56:47]: So but before you tonight, Mayor and Council, for the city council meetings and the city council work session meetings, there are two options. There were requests from [1:56:48, 1:56:49]: Staff and others. [1:56:50, 1:56:53]: who are requesting two options. [1:56:54, 1:56:58]: for the meetings for the city council and city council work session. [1:56:59, 1:57:00]: Option number one. [1:57:01, 1:57:04]: Would be for the meeting schedule to remain the same as it currently is. [1:57:05, 1:57:08]: Meeting on the second Monday of each month at six PM. [1:57:09, 1:57:12]: And the last Tuesday of each month at six PM. [1:57:13, 1:57:14]: Option two. [1:57:15, 1:57:19]: Is meeting on the second Monday of the month at six PM. [1:57:20, 1:57:22]: And the last Monday [1:57:22, 1:57:26]: I'm sorry, the last Tuesday for the work session meeting at four PM. [1:57:27, 1:57:32]: There are other options that can be made by anyone. Those those are the two that are being presented. [1:57:33, 1:57:37]: to you tonight. So I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have. [1:57:37, 1:57:39]: Mr. Blount, saw your hand first. Go ahead, sir. [1:57:41, 1:57:53]: Uh uh quick question. I I like that one option, but only only variation that I didn't like is that you had a council meeting actually on uh Valentine's Day. [1:57:54, 1:58:07]: Um on February 14th, we had a uh council meeting on that day. If we can amend that day in itself, uh I I I would like that option. I think it was option one, was it was it one? [1:58:08, 1:58:16]: Yeah, probably. I think we'd have to ask legal on that. Your charter has that the council meets on the second Monday of the month. [1:58:17, 1:58:18]: So [1:58:19, 1:58:21]: I would I would have to ask legal. [1:58:21, 1:58:23]: If we are able to move that [1:58:24, 1:58:25]: They are not. [1:58:28, 1:58:30]: Gentlemen, you have an idea? [1:58:32, 1:58:37]: I need to look at the charter. This is Jeremy. I need to look at the charter. That's what I'm pulling up now. [1:58:37, 1:58:42]: Yeah, it just you know it states that we meet on the second Monday, but whether or not we can [1:58:43, 1:58:55]: beer from that I would need. Well that was just something I mean. I mean uh I'm willing to listen to uh the other council members on on that for the meeting days. I'm fine with whatever they want to do. [1:58:55, 1:58:58]: And we just bring our spouses and loved ones to the meeting with us, right? [1:58:59, 1:59:12]: I don't know if I want to keep them up to one o'clock though. No, you won't you won't. They w they'll force you to to get done with the meeting. It's a joke. It's a joke. Okay. [1:59:13, 1:59:17]: Oh my god. Okay. Any other comments from the council? [1:59:21, 1:59:38]: Okay, I guess as it yeah, go ahead, Mayor Protein. Go ahead. Now I heard something in there about a clause for one of the boards that said all meetings will be virtual. Is that I know that's something that we're doing. We were hoping to move back when then Omicron came up, but can that be specified? [1:59:40, 1:59:43]: That's your planning commission that will meet. [1:59:47, 1:59:51]: Because in a non emergency situation, can they continue to meet [1:59:51, 1:59:55]: Can they specify for the whole year they're gonna meet virtually? [1:59:59, 2:00:13]: Ms. Johnson is on the line. I don't know if well the board has voted, so I don't know if if that would have to go back to the board, but we would need to publish this by January one. No, I need the attorneys to what you're the illegal opinion is what he's asking for, right? [2:00:17, 2:00:37]: I I would imagine as long as we we are in a state of some type of emergency with this pandemic, it would be fine. And I think uh that there has been some legal um approval at the state level, I believe, in reference to this issue. I believe. Um I believe I'm pretty sure it's something that would be further discussed at the Cities United next month as well. We might we're looking at the charter on [2:00:37, 2:00:40]: on the first one and we'll have a we'll look at the second one in just a [2:00:40, 2:00:42]: Okay. Good deal. Thank you. [2:00:45, 2:01:05]: Yeah, I think it uh I think we should be able to do it as long as we comply with open meetings uh regulatory guidance. But in and it's in a pandemic and being in a pandemic, I mean heck, we're all let me clarify. I'm certainly in support of continuing while Omicron is out there and all of that. But can you specify twelve the whole [2:01:05, 2:01:14]: Whole year of 2022, if things improve, that you're gonna say, I'm gonna continue. That's what I'm that's what I'm asking for. [2:01:20, 2:01:23]: Oh yeah, Mr. Thomas Glazer. [2:01:24, 2:01:29]: Not nothing is written in stone. I I I think you can designate tonight. [2:01:30, 2:01:32]: And if you need to come back and modify. [2:01:32, 2:01:33]: Uh [2:01:33, 2:01:35]: I I think you can do that. [2:01:35, 2:01:40]: I don't want us to get caught up in that. I just think if you need to, depending on um [2:01:40, 2:01:43]: You know, what's happening, you know, you can just come back and modify. [2:01:44, 2:01:46]: I would imagine you're probably right about that. [2:01:47, 2:01:52]: Okay. Any other comments in reference to option one or option two for the city council meetings? [2:01:54, 2:01:55]: It's one way or the other. [2:01:56, 2:02:05]: I prefer prefer option one myself, but uh but it's also a simple at least a simple content uh consensus of the council in this aspect. But uh [2:02:05, 2:02:18]: Uh in that aspect. But uh and to repeat in case someone is just joining, option one is to meet at six o'clock for the Monday meeting and also for the work session meeting at six. Option two is to meet at six o'clock. [2:02:19, 2:02:20]: on the Monday meeting and [2:02:21, 2:02:25]: Four o'clock for the work session meeting on the last Tuesday of the month. [2:02:25, 2:02:26]: Mayor. [2:02:26, 2:02:27]: Yes, sir. [2:02:27, 2:02:31]: I will simply say this. The reason that I like the later meeting. [2:02:31, 2:02:36]: Is cause people who work can attend the meeting. When you move it up to three or four o'clock. [2:02:36, 2:02:41]: then people who might ordinarily show up or be participate. [2:02:41, 2:02:59]: They won't. So I'm I'm in favor of option one. No, I understand. And I believe I mentioned that to our attorneys before about that as we had this discussion that was the reason for that to allow more participation from the citizens. We won't be in this pandemic forever. It won't be virtual forever. We'll get back in the city in city hall, city council chambers eventually. [2:03:00, 2:03:01]: Uh Mr. Mutt Blount, go ahead, please. [2:03:02, 2:03:09]: Mayor, I'm I'm in favor also, uh, like I said, with the provision that whatever provision we can make, but I'm in I'm in favor with [2:03:09, 2:03:12]: The work session and the council meeting remaining at six o'clock. [2:03:13, 2:03:15]: Um I don't want to get into that though. [2:03:16, 2:03:23]: That debacle uh we once got it that went down that road before. So I think I think we uh six o'clock crossed the borders for me also. [2:03:23, 2:03:26]: Okay. That's option one. Thank you. Right. [2:03:26, 2:03:30]: Attorneys, do you have any other input uh before we go forward a vote vote here? [2:03:32, 2:03:37]: In our review of it, normally it would allow you all to if it was not gonna be on a Monday or a Tuesday. [2:03:38, 2:03:48]: We looked at the two code sections and normally would allow you to change some meetings, but because it doesn't say you always have to ha have them on a Monday or a Tuesday and it also doesn't say the time, which is with the UL's latitude. [2:03:50, 2:03:51]: The concern that we just have. [2:03:52, 2:04:01]: was making sure that we were able to point to the sections which we can if the council wants to hear where they are, which is section three point one three in the charter. And then under article two. [2:04:02, 2:04:11]: And then under article two with the meetings of calling special meetings, it says that you all normally have meetings on the Mondays and the Tuesdays. It doesn't say always. [2:04:13, 2:04:20]: All right. Well I'm I'm I'm willing to entertain a motion uh folks for whatever option that you want here. So we move forward. [2:04:20, 2:04:20]: Okay. [2:04:21, 2:04:22]: Mere [2:04:22, 2:04:22]: Yes, sir. [2:04:23, 2:04:25]: I'll make a motion to move forward option one. [2:04:26, 2:04:28]: Uh as described by the city clerk. [2:04:29, 2:04:44]: Okay, and also yeah, yes sir. Uh I'm I'm assuming we also need to approve the rest of uh Miss Holliday, approve the rest of the other meetings for rest of the committees as well. Correct, unless there is uh an objection to anyone. All right. Um Mayor Potem, if you can expand your motion, please. [2:04:45, 2:04:49]: Yes, to include all of the boards and committees uh for the city. [2:04:49, 2:04:54]: Okay. Is there a second? Ms. Mr. Blount seconds that okay, any further discussion? [2:04:55, 2:04:58]: Yeah, Miss Barber, yeah. Okay, all all in favor, please indicate. [2:05:00, 2:05:03]: Okay, fantastic. It's a fantastic decision. Thank you very much. [2:05:03, 2:05:04]: Okay. [2:05:04, 2:05:12]: Uh council consideration uh to approve the uh 2022 agenda timeline. Miss Holliday, please. [2:05:13, 2:05:15]: Yes, Mayor and Council. [2:05:15, 2:05:18]: You know, this one is near and dear to the clerk's heart. [2:05:19, 2:05:25]: This is the agenda timeline that is distributed to staff, mayor and counselor. [2:05:26, 2:05:28]: Attorney City City Manager. [2:05:31, 2:05:38]: With a schedule of when documents are due to the clerk's office so that we can present them to the mayor and council. [2:05:39, 2:05:44]: in a timely and efficient manner for you all to be able to have the opportunity and the time [2:05:45, 2:05:46]: to review. [2:05:46, 2:05:53]: before you come to your council meeting to make these decisions. So what it is, it is a schedule for the entire year. [2:05:54, 2:05:56]: For staff. [2:05:57, 2:05:58]: The attorneys. [2:05:59, 2:06:01]: Your city manager. [2:06:01, 2:06:03]: to have and adhere to. [2:06:06, 2:06:08]: And I hope that you all approve it. [2:06:09, 2:06:09]: All right. [2:06:10, 2:06:12]: Oh yeah, Mr. Thomas. I'm sorry. Go ahead, sir. [2:06:12, 2:06:15]: Uh I I move to approve. [2:06:15, 2:06:19]: Uh, it is it is crucial, and I think we have seen. [2:06:19, 2:06:22]: In the last few weeks that when information [2:06:23, 2:06:40]: uh do not come to us in in a timely manner that we cannot make informed decisions. And I I think that is paramount in for the city council to be able to make these decisions. We need to have information and we need time. Uh just like um [2:06:40, 2:06:53]: the these dictionaries that we had here recently, uh you you cannot read through all of that uh within a few days. So I move to uh accept the timeline as presented by the uh clerk's office. [2:06:53, 2:06:55]: All right. Is there a second? [2:06:57, 2:07:05]: Yeah, Miss Barber seconds that okay. Any further discussion? No, yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't believe it. Now let me ask, is this even possible? [2:07:05, 2:07:11]: Let's say we improve the timeline this timeline for the staff, but of [2:07:11, 2:07:15]: Council members want to add items to the agenda. [2:07:15, 2:07:16]: The [2:07:16, 2:07:19]: can be a different date. That time window can be shorter. [2:07:21, 2:07:24]: Is that possible? Because this is like two weeks out. [2:07:25, 2:07:27]: Uh for us to put items on the agenda. [2:07:28, 2:07:30]: But let's say we cut the we leave we [2:07:30, 2:07:35]: The timeline for the staff is the same for the routine ordinary items. [2:07:35, 2:07:36]: But for the council [2:07:37, 2:07:45]: We we might want to cut that down to seven days for us to add another item to uh the agenda is there. Is that possible? [2:07:47, 2:07:55]: Well I respond. Yes. Yes, go ahead. Go ahead and respond. So if it's a seven day window, you all have uh [2:07:55, 2:07:57]: approved a resolution. [2:07:57, 2:08:01]: that we have to have the documents to you one week out. [2:08:02, 2:08:04]: So there would no longer be that window. [2:08:08, 2:08:28]: See, and the other thing I would like to mention, we we uh if you think about it, we what would you do early this evening? We've already amended the agenda with several items and took some things off and added some things, and we'd rather not do that, but it does happen and it happened this evening. So I would think the timeline that the clerk is asking for should remain the same, and hopefully that uh we won't make [2:08:27, 2:08:47]: it a habit to continue to add things or take things off at the last moment. But anyway, that's uh my two cents on this. Mr. Let's move on. Okay, let's move on. Yeah I I agree I agree with you mayor because it it doesn't matter uh if we stick with this because the amendments the agenda is coming they come every week anyway. Uh you know you need is three votes to say okay. [2:08:47, 2:08:56]: And so, you know, that's what you know, that's kind of a mute point right there. But I would I would that this council would actually really move toward having a true work session. [2:08:57, 2:09:17]: That we can agree on certain items that we can start really formulating uh consent agendas for our actual council meetings and uh kind of really get into some type of uniformity when it comes to work session and council meetings so that we won't have one o'clock nights and uh and that council would uh when when that uh when the clerk gets [2:09:17, 2:09:19]: us that information two weeks prior to council meetings. [2:09:20, 2:09:27]: Is that we seek staff and whoever we need to talk to prior to the meetings and not uh let uh the council meeting be the first time we see it and we sit here all night. [2:09:28, 2:09:31]: asking questions that we could ask in between. That's my two cents. [2:09:31, 2:09:39]: All right, then any further comments? Uh okay, so um the motion was made and seconded, is that correct? [2:09:40, 2:09:44]: That's correct, ma'am. Okay. So if that's the case, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:09:45, 2:09:49]: Okay, it is your now institution on that. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you. All right. [2:09:50, 2:09:57]: All right, so um council consideration to approve the 2022 council initiative calendar presented by um [2:09:57, 2:10:00]: Miss Pearson, Zenovia, please. [2:10:02, 2:10:11]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'd like to present to you the 2022 Council initiative calendar of events for your approval. [2:10:13, 2:10:13]: Okay. [2:10:14, 2:10:19]: Is there a motion, any questions for her? And if not, is there a motion to accept the calendar as written? [2:10:20, 2:10:23]: Low move. Was there a second? Mr. Thomas seconds that. [2:10:23, 2:10:24]: Uh [2:10:25, 2:10:40]: I'm go ahead, Mayor. Okay. I got Mayor Pro Tem a motion. I actually had a comment. Okay. No problem, sir. Mayor Pro Tem made that motion. Mr. Thomas seconded that motion. Mr. Thomas, what was your comment? I'm I'm I'm I'm um went back up. Am I assuming you're second the motion, sir? Is that correct? [2:10:42, 2:10:47]: Yeah, I second I I I I know there's a motion and I know it needs to be second. [2:10:47, 2:10:50]: I can go ahead and second that and I can make my comment. [2:10:51, 2:10:53]: Um, you know, after that, which is gonna be um [2:10:55, 2:10:56]: Uh-huh. [2:10:56, 2:11:00]: Let me just let me just comment the the carame handbrick. [2:11:00, 2:11:04]: event uh is normally the um [2:11:04, 2:11:18]: the third Saturday. Uh I have not confirmed that with the organization. That may be the only change, but it it's it's not a deal breaker. I I I think uh once that's confirmed, I can come back at any time and um [2:11:18, 2:11:20]: As for um [2:11:20, 2:11:22]: A modification, so it's not a problem. [2:11:22, 2:11:25]: Okay. As long as it does does not conflict. [2:11:25, 2:11:27]: From what I can tell. [2:11:27, 2:11:32]: Uh with the calendar, it does not conflict. So I'll I'll just come back, but I do approve. [2:11:33, 2:11:41]: Okay. Absolutely. So motion the motion to made mid-second. Any further conversation? And if not, all in favor motion all supporting the motion, please indicate. [2:11:42, 2:11:44]: Okay, so now appreciate it. Thank you, Council. [2:11:46, 2:11:50]: Okay, council consideration approved the 2022 events calendar. [2:11:51, 2:11:53]: Presented by Miss Kim Jordan, please. [2:11:54, 2:12:12]: Uh yes, sir. Um the events team has included the proposed 2022 list of scheduled events in your packet. We look forward to a great year of fun-filled activities and celebrations for the citizens of Stockbridge. We have added three new events for next year, the Fourth of July extravaganza. [2:12:13, 2:12:17]: Uh in the city of Stockbridge centennial celebration as well as a Halloween festival. [2:12:18, 2:12:22]: Um, does anyone have any questions about the calendar or do I need to share it? [2:12:23, 2:12:25]: Yeah, uh would be wood somewhere. [2:12:25, 2:12:36]: Yeah sure. If see if you can share that'd be fine. So the council. Yeah, but we we need to display that so the public can see it. This meeting is for them. So let's see that and then uh have a quick follow-up question. [2:12:37, 2:12:39]: Okay, let me s [2:12:40, 2:12:40]: Mm. [2:12:41, 2:12:42]: I can get this. [2:12:46, 2:12:46]: Sorry. [2:12:51, 2:12:51]: Yep. [2:12:52, 2:12:54]: I'm so sorry. I thought I had it ready to go. [2:12:57, 2:12:58]: Oh my [2:12:58, 2:13:01]: So if I'll ask my question while she's looking for that. [2:13:03, 2:13:07]: I think we have we have agreed uh that we were gonna have the [2:13:07, 2:13:10]: uh career expos or the job fairs. [2:13:10, 2:13:17]: Uh are they allocated for in any way in time or you just gotta wait till we get with goodwill on that? [2:13:18, 2:13:19]: Can you see the calendar now? [2:13:19, 2:13:26]: Yeah, we can now, yes. Oh one. Okay. [2:13:28, 2:13:29]: That's your question. [2:13:29, 2:13:33]: Mayor Pro Tem, we we are in discussions with the [2:13:34, 2:13:37]: Uh we are discussions with the uh Goodwill. [2:13:37, 2:13:38]: To [2:13:38, 2:13:43]: to to uh have another I uh to have that book uh job fair in April. [2:13:44, 2:13:55]: Yeah, certainly. I just want to follow up on that. With these times and these employers struggling to find employees, we need to do our part uh to make sure that uh we're we're leaning forward. [2:13:56, 2:14:01]: Yes, sir. We plan to have a robust fair this year with many different industries from the community. [2:14:02, 2:14:03]: Because of the um [2:14:03, 2:14:07]: wanna engage with the community and promote working and getting back to work and helping [2:14:07, 2:14:11]: Helping the ka uh the industries and businesses hire people. [2:14:11, 2:14:14]: There's so many that need need staff. [2:14:15, 2:14:21]: So we want to and we're gonna include the new police department too for whatever hiring needs they they have. [2:14:22, 2:14:41]: We we also will be doing community engagement with uh as as Ms. Jordan said, with some of those uh community uh uh uh uh companies that are in the community uh that to bring them in ourselves, you know, to engage them ourselves to let them know about this event. [2:14:43, 2:14:43]: Thank you. [2:14:44, 2:14:48]: And we hope to have the lower level of the Merlmanders up and running so we can have um [2:14:48, 2:14:52]: Yeah, a lot of people coming in and out and going to different tables and talking to different [2:14:53, 2:14:55]: Hopefully, you know, applying right there on site even. [2:14:57, 2:15:02]: Okay. Any further comments? Oh sorry. Miss Barber, go ahead, please. [2:15:03, 2:15:04]: Yes. Um [2:15:05, 2:15:06]: So [2:15:07, 2:15:09]: I know that at our last meeting we approved. [2:15:10, 2:15:10]: Um [2:15:11, 2:15:12]: A Halloween. [2:15:12, 2:15:14]: Festival on Halloween Day. [2:15:15, 2:15:15]: Mm-hmm. [2:15:15, 2:15:16]: As a city. [2:15:17, 2:15:21]: We also have Cal Haven Vent who's going to be doing her [2:15:21, 2:15:22]: Um [2:15:22, 2:15:24]: Council initiative. [2:15:24, 2:15:26]: Uh the weekend before. [2:15:27, 2:15:29]: And we also have the youth council. [2:15:30, 2:15:31]: Hmm. [2:15:31, 2:15:34]: I think it's gonna do another fall festival. [2:15:39, 2:15:40]: That particular [2:15:40, 2:15:41]: Even [2:15:42, 2:15:43]: whole Halloween. I think we're [2:15:44, 2:15:44]: Um [2:15:46, 2:15:59]: doing overkill. I want to rescind my vote for that Halloween festival. I would think you can't do that at this point, uh, Councilman Barber. I mean that's that's that was that was another meeting and some votes already been taken. [2:16:00, 2:16:00]: Huh? [2:16:00, 2:16:02]: I don't think you can legally do that. [2:16:03, 2:16:06]: Mayor Ford, I'd like to make a motion to rescind my vote. [2:16:07, 2:16:09]: Um for approval of [2:16:10, 2:16:12]: um this Halloween event on Halloween Day. [2:16:13, 2:16:22]: We already have a motion on the floor, I believe. We are I believe we already have a motion on the floor in the discussion phase. You can't put another motion on the floor when we have a pending motion. We have this motion then. [2:16:23, 2:16:24]: I'm sorry. [2:16:25, 2:16:28]: I'll wait until after we take the motion or take the vote. [2:16:28, 2:16:31]: for to approve the schedule. [2:16:31, 2:16:32]: All right. [2:16:32, 2:16:35]: And I'll add my comment and I want to rescind my vote. [2:16:36, 2:16:41]: All right. Uh let's see here. Any further comments about this potential? Yes, sir. [2:16:42, 2:17:00]: Yeah, my qu uh question, um, sorry, I had to move around, um, is that when when we have initiatives and then we move those initiatives to city events and and respectfully we want those initiatives, those city events to because we've taken it to a level where it's become [2:17:01, 2:17:01]: Um [2:17:02, 2:17:22]: To whatever magnitude it is, whether it be the back to school kickoff, the uh trail event uh Mr. uh Alexander does or uh whatever event uh Mr. Thomas or uh Ms. Barber does. But when we make it a city event, uh we want to see it to that that level. Not that now that it's being funded by the city, we understand. [2:17:22, 2:17:33]: And the bench is doing it, and usually there's a committee meetings of boards. I would think that we would at least not to say how the event is going because they are they're city events now, but that. [2:17:33, 2:17:40]: uh that we can at least be aware of the magnitude and what's gonna happen to those events because [2:17:40, 2:17:43]: For me and uh and I guess a lot been going on because we're in a pandemic. [2:17:44, 2:17:49]: Um I found out we was doing a drive-thru uh back to school event uh [2:17:49, 2:17:52]: Within a week of of the band even happening. [2:17:52, 2:18:02]: And uh I I think that when we give those give our initiatives to the city of cities events that we want to have some more, we want to be informed a little bit better and at least see. [2:18:02, 2:18:22]: uh where that event is going because it it if if as an initiative became one of our babies. I'm pretty sure every initiative that everyone does it becomes their baby. And they want to make sure that baby's in good hands and uh they want to see how how it's going and and at least uh at least be aware of all the uh the the ins and outs of those events. So I I [2:18:22, 2:18:31]: However, we need to do to make sure that those things happen, I would like Mr. Conywell and Ms. Jordan to uh help facilitate that if you guys would. [2:18:31, 2:18:35]: Absolutely. Only with the initiatives that become city events. [2:18:36, 2:18:47]: Sure, I'm happy to share the agenda with you and the timeline and everything else. Or I can speak to any of these events right now if you have a question about a particular one you're interested in, what we have thought and brainstormed on. [2:18:48, 2:19:08]: No, no, it's just uh uh Mr uh uh uh Ms. Canyon Mr. Ingram uh uh uh probably inform you on uh what events was formerly uh youth council I'm sorry, not youth council, but was formerly council members events. And we can just go in appropriate appropriate like that. I don't I'm not I'm not saying that to address individually tonight to prolong anything. I just [2:19:08, 2:19:17]: think that we should uh at least have some awareness of what actually going on with those events because I'm pretty sure you guys have a board and you guys meet on what you're doing. That's just only my two centing that. [2:19:17, 2:19:19]: Okay, sure. Happy to do that. [2:19:21, 2:19:27]: All right, the motion is made in the second. So uh should be all the comments, uh all in favor of the motion and this calendar, please indicate. [2:19:30, 2:19:32]: for approval of this um of the calendar. [2:19:37, 2:19:38]: Okay, one. [2:19:38, 2:19:46]: Mayor. Yes, ma'am. I'm sorry, but I don't have who made the motion in the second on the counter. I thought we had a motion in the second on the counter. [2:19:47, 2:19:56]: I d I don't have that recorded. Okay. I thought I made the motion. Okay. Oh unless I'm supposed to Well I thought yeah, I thought you did make the motion. I I'll second I'll second if you don't have one there. [2:19:57, 2:20:03]: Okay. Uh okay. So Alexander s mote made the motion been segmented by uh Calcman Blount then. [2:20:04, 2:20:06]: Okay. All favor motion, please indicate. [2:20:06, 2:20:09]: You'll have to tell me, Mayor, because the screen is up. [2:20:10, 2:20:18]: All right, uh I got one. Got Alexander says yes. Blount says yes. Um okay, there we go. But Thomas says yes. [2:20:19, 2:20:20]: Miss Barber, your vote. [2:20:21, 2:20:25]: opposing. Okay, so I'll upstage. I'll upset. [2:20:26, 2:20:29]: Three zero one motion passed. Okay. [2:20:30, 2:20:33]: And this aspect. All right, Miss Barber, go ahead. [2:20:33, 2:20:40]: Okay, I want to make a motion to rescind my vote from last week's meeting. [2:20:40, 2:20:45]: in support of the how we the cities how we event [2:20:46, 2:20:52]: Now I need to ask first of all, I need to ask even uh the uh the attorneys go whether or not you can legally do that after it's already been passed and [2:20:52, 2:20:59]: So I don't know if you can legally do that at all. It doesn't make sense to me to do that, but I need legal opinion, I suppose, on this. [2:21:00, 2:21:09]: Don't think that can be done. I mean, the council member could make a note for the record in this meeting that she changes her position, but a vote history is history at this point. The vote's been taken. [2:21:09, 2:21:11]: Well Mayor, um Miss Mary. [2:21:12, 2:21:13]: And Mayor Ford. [2:21:14, 2:21:19]: There have been on several occasions that council members have rescinded their vote. [2:21:19, 2:21:21]: As long as having the one's charge. [2:21:22, 2:21:24]: Got approved. [2:21:24, 2:21:26]: Whatever the action is. [2:21:27, 2:21:28]: I can bring it back. [2:21:28, 2:21:29]: To the table. [2:21:29, 2:21:30]: For a vote. [2:21:31, 2:21:34]: I was amongst the authority to a couple. [2:21:34, 2:21:35]: The city Halloween event. [2:21:36, 2:21:37]: It was three two. [2:21:38, 2:21:40]: А но лонго супорт. [2:21:41, 2:21:43]: Moving forward with the Halloween event. [2:21:43, 2:21:45]: As a city event. [2:21:45, 2:21:50]: I explained just a minute ago, the reason being Councilwoman Gantt. [2:21:50, 2:21:51]: Already has a [2:21:52, 2:21:54]: Festival that she's doing. [2:21:54, 2:21:57]: The week well, a couple of days prior to Halloween. [2:21:59, 2:22:03]: The youth also is gonna do a festival the same month. [2:22:03, 2:22:04]: It makes no sense. [2:22:05, 2:22:14]: All right. Council member real quick. Sorry, I understood saying you wanted to change your vote from yes to no. That can't be done. If you want to bring a motion back to council to [2:22:15, 2:22:21]: Undo the action. That that yeah, that would be a full vote. But just changing your vote from yes to no can't be done. [2:22:21, 2:22:28]: Okay, that's what I want to do. I want to bring back a motion to reconsider my vote from the last meeting. [2:22:29, 2:22:37]: No. Mayor real quick. Stand by Mayor Potter. Mr. Tom, sway it, please. Uh [2:22:38, 2:22:43]: Mayor Ford, uh my understanding and knowledge of this uh issue. [2:22:43, 2:22:46]: Any council member [2:22:46, 2:22:49]: That voted in the affirmative. [2:22:50, 2:22:53]: Of only one meet at the very next meeting. [2:22:53, 2:22:56]: The very next meeting of the city council. [2:22:56, 2:23:00]: Uh that person can reconsider if they voted. [2:23:00, 2:23:02]: uh in the affirmative. [2:23:02, 2:23:09]: they can reconsider at the very next meeting, not two meetings past that, but at the very next meeting. [2:23:09, 2:23:14]: that council person that voted in the affirmative can reconsider that vote. [2:23:14, 2:23:23]: Thank you, Councilman Thomas. Stand by please. Stand by, please. Okay, so on that note, uh I'm gonna get to back to attorneys in a second. Mr. Blount. [2:23:24, 2:23:28]: Yeah, Mayor, you know, when this when this vote file first came about. [2:23:29, 2:23:35]: What was understood in that vote and I brought it up? Isn't it if it's not in the minutes, is in is in the recording on the meeting. [2:23:36, 2:23:40]: We talked about coun uh councillor woman's Gantts event. [2:23:41, 2:23:48]: We talked about the uh respecting each other's uh initiatives versus planning council uh uh city events. [2:23:48, 2:23:51]: And yet still it was voted on to move forward. [2:23:52, 2:23:57]: These this is already understood. It was vote it was voted to move forward with. [2:23:57, 2:24:13]: Um and whatever the city's attorneys d determine at this time what what we can and can't do, uh that's that's up to them. But this the knowledge of what we was voting for, and I voted against it, was on the table at that time, that this would be in conflict. [2:24:14, 2:24:23]: Because it was and and Councilwoman Ganttz spoke on it and I spoke on it, that it was in that we thought it was in conflict and an infringement on a counseling's initiative. [2:24:23, 2:24:36]: to have this event. So all the information was always uh always there. So if council uh councilwoman uh barber wants to rescind or whatever that's that's on that but but just to let everyone know this information was already out there. [2:24:37, 2:24:52]: All right. Um now, yeah, Mr. Berry, I see your hand'cause I'm gonna come to you for a legal opinion anyway, in reference to legally, because of what Mr. Thomas said. I don't I have to admit I don't recall that, but is that can we legally that is under Robert's rules, that is correct. The the [2:24:52, 2:24:58]: The side that's in the majority. So if it's three, two who voted in favor of something. [2:24:58, 2:25:01]: The three who voted in favor could have it reconsidered. [2:25:02, 2:25:04]: If it was three two against or or two three. [2:25:05, 2:25:07]: Then the ones who all voted against could reconsider. [2:25:07, 2:25:12]: So it if counts I just don't remember, but if Councilwoman Barber was No, I have it right here. [2:25:12, 2:25:15]: Was in majority she can reconsider. [2:25:15, 2:25:18]: She can make a motion to reconsider. It then takes a vote. [2:25:19, 2:25:20]: To reconsider. [2:25:20, 2:25:23]: That's section two point oh [2:25:23, 2:25:28]: Four point one four oh motions to reconsider. Motion to reconsider of any of the proceedings of council. [2:25:28, 2:25:36]: Shall not be entertained unless it be made by a member who voted with a majority, and such motions should be made at the same or succeeding meeting. [2:25:37, 2:25:46]: Mayor Ford. Yeah, Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. Um, this is my point. I I I voted uh in favor of it and and I I'm still in favor of it. [2:25:47, 2:25:57]: I just want to make sure that how we operate procedurally wise, that it is correct. That's the only reason I I made that that that point because I knew. [2:25:57, 2:25:59]: That was the correct [2:26:00, 2:26:09]: uh information and and that again I don't want us to operate off of uh misinformation but Mayor now the issue at hand is is [2:26:11, 2:26:31]: her ability to reconsider. That's the issue. Now in a point of order call, uh the discussion has to be centered around that particular issue. So the issue is um her ability to re re um to reconsider. I'm still in favor. Again, I just don't want us to operate [2:26:31, 2:26:33]: [8794.1, 8798.7]: All right. All right. Appreciate it. And then we got clarity here. All right. So Miss Barber is back to you now. [2:26:40, 2:26:43]: Want to make a motion to reconsider my vote. [2:26:44, 2:27:00]: Okay. But this is the re so otherwise okay, and that's gotta be a second to that, I suppose, this aspect, right? Turning I respect that I respect the right to do that, Mayor. I second it. It's not reconsider her vote, it would be reconsider the entire vote all the council. Right. The motion. [2:27:01, 2:27:03]: I make a motion to reconsider. [2:27:03, 2:27:04]: The motion. [2:27:05, 2:27:07]: At our previous meeting. [2:27:08, 2:27:09]: Pertaining to [2:27:09, 2:27:14]: The approval of the event as [2:27:15, 2:27:19]: All right, sir. Second to the motion. Point point of order, Mayor. Okay, go ahead, sir. [2:27:20, 2:27:24]: I I I'm still gonna differ with the opinion that that I'm hearing. [2:27:24, 2:27:25]: Um [2:27:27, 2:27:28]: Again. [2:27:28, 2:27:29]: Any council member [2:27:30, 2:27:34]: That voted in the meeting before in the affirmative. [2:27:35, 2:27:44]: I don't think it's a motion that they have to make. I don't know. I think the city clerk can clarify this, but I I just think it it's it's that councilperson's prerogative. [2:27:44, 2:27:46]: And is that council person right? [2:27:47, 2:27:49]: If they want to re consider. [2:27:50, 2:27:51]: Their vote. [2:27:51, 2:28:04]: uh at the very next meeting. I don't I don't think it's something that uh other council members have to approve or not approve. It's that council person prerogative and it's that person right if they want to reconsider. [2:28:05, 2:28:15]: period and then with that reconsideration the remaining vote is what um pushes it forward or uh deny it [2:28:15, 2:28:23]: Now that that's that's that's that's my education on that particular procedure. I don't someone can clarify me if I'm wrong. [2:28:24, 2:28:27]: Yeah, I can read it if you would like. Yeah, sure. Go ahead, please. [2:28:27, 2:28:33]: All right, so the motion to reconsider may be made only by a member who voted on the prevailing side. [2:28:34, 2:28:41]: In the original vote, such as someone who voted yes, if the motion had passed or voted no. [2:28:41, 2:28:43]: If the motion was depleted. [2:28:43, 2:28:49]: The making of the motion to reconsider takes precedence over all other motions and yields to nothing. [2:28:51, 2:28:51]: All right. [2:28:53, 2:28:55]: All right, attorneys, you're good with that as well? [2:28:57, 2:29:02]: Yes, because that what the clerk read contemplates a motion, not just like the the [2:29:02, 2:29:07]: sole power to do it, it requires a motion and then the affirmative vote. [2:29:09, 2:29:15]: All right, so she just it has a pre it has the motion has to come like any other motion has been properly moved and seconded. [2:29:15, 2:29:17]: Right. To reconsider the X. [2:29:18, 2:29:22]: Correct. All right. So it's back to Miss Barber again about about her motion. [2:29:23, 2:29:26]: I just made the motion. Okay. [2:29:27, 2:29:31]: to reconsider your vote, to change the vote. So and it needs to be seconded. Is that correct? [2:29:32, 2:29:34]: Ms. Blount, you second that motion. [2:29:35, 2:29:39]: All right. So I did so is then further discussion on this issue. [2:29:41, 2:29:47]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. I I I'm I'm taking issue with with how we're proceeding. [2:29:49, 2:29:52]: And and and the turnees could tell me if I'm wrong. [2:29:52, 2:29:54]: I do not think that [2:29:54, 2:29:55]: Council. [2:29:56, 2:29:58]: Can legislate [2:29:58, 2:30:02]: If a council person wants to reconsider their vote. [2:30:02, 2:30:04]: At the very next meeting, it is a right. [2:30:05, 2:30:10]: for them to reconsider that vote and and if that vote goes away. [2:30:11, 2:30:13]: Then what stands [2:30:13, 2:30:27]: that determines whether it is approved or not. But I don't think council say for instance, okay, it's asking for a motion. So if if her uh if her motion does not get a second, that means that she don't have a right to reconsider. [2:30:28, 2:30:29]: So that's why I think we're wrong. [2:30:30, 2:30:36]: I don't think we can legislate a council person's uh ability. [2:30:37, 2:30:42]: an authority to reconsider that vote at the very next meeting. [2:30:42, 2:30:50]: I don't think I don't think we have a right to do that. Because if you're going to vote whether she has a right to reconsider, that is incorrect. [2:30:51, 2:31:11]: All right, so she she takes her vote away. All right, that's her prerogative to do that. Then we have to go back to we have to vote again on or we go back. Okay. So I guess attorneys will say the the previous vote was three to two. If she takes her vote away, right, then the the remaining votes determine whether it's forward or not forward. Right. [2:31:11, 2:31:13]: And the remaining votes would make a two two. [2:31:14, 2:31:24]: All right. I mean that the that that that's that's my trade, that's my orientation. Okay, so the clerk is I would I would have to ask the clerk about that because I don't think that's ever been done for that. Okay, but that's [2:31:25, 2:31:26]: Um the the meeting [2:31:27, 2:31:33]: Two weeks ago is set in time. It's set in stone. You can't just like erase it. That's why you have a a a motion. [2:31:33, 2:31:36]: To bring it back before council. [2:31:36, 2:31:39]: Otherwise people could change their votes all the time. [2:31:40, 2:31:52]: But and that's why it takes a motion and and approval of the council to put it back on the table for consideration. But the only provision in y'all's charter and documents is a motion to reconsider if you're in the majority. [2:31:53, 2:31:56]: Maybe. If you're in the majority, you can decide if you want the motion to reconsider. [2:31:57, 2:32:00]: Then once you motion to reconsider, it's a motion before. [2:32:00, 2:32:04]: It's a motion before the body. And if the body decides to reconsider. [2:32:05, 2:32:10]: then the body can decide to reconsider because the person in the majority made that decision. And it's a majority decision only. [2:32:11, 2:32:13]: May Mayor Ford, if I may. [2:32:14, 2:32:15]: But Mr. Thomas go ahead, sir. [2:32:16, 2:32:22]: She is not reconsidering the motion of the item. [2:32:23, 2:32:26]: She is reconsidering her individual vote. [2:32:27, 2:32:30]: Not the issue that came forward. [2:32:30, 2:32:35]: Because of her reconsideration, then that determines whether [2:32:36, 2:32:37]: Without her vote. [2:32:38, 2:32:50]: Did it fail or did it pass? You can't change a vote that's already taken place. No, but she can re this is what Melford, this is where I think we're getting confused. She has a right. [2:32:51, 2:32:56]: to reconsider her individual vote. That's all her individual vote. [2:32:57, 2:33:05]: So, what I'm hearing is that we're trying to take away her in the and I don't read I'm sorry to go here because that may be a point in time when any one of us [2:33:06, 2:33:11]: We wanna come forward and reconsider our vote. So we need to just get it right. [2:33:12, 2:33:19]: All right, Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead please. [2:33:20, 2:33:21]: Councilman Tomman is is correct. [2:33:22, 2:33:25]: I'm prepared to make two separate motions. [2:33:26, 2:33:31]: There should be two separate motions. This first one is to reconsider. [2:33:32, 2:33:34]: I want to receive my vote. [2:33:34, 2:33:35]: That's the first one. [2:33:36, 2:33:37]: The second one is [2:33:37, 2:33:38]: The item. [2:33:39, 2:33:41]: If you want to put the item back on the table. [2:33:41, 2:33:43]: Because it would have failed once I rescited my vote. [2:33:44, 2:33:45]: So be it. [2:33:45, 2:33:46]: But [2:33:46, 2:33:49]: There should be two motions made here. [2:33:51, 2:33:53]: All right, stand by. [2:33:53, 2:33:56]: Here and somebody else rescinded their vote. [2:33:56, 2:34:00]: Last year as well. So why are we making a big deal about this? [2:34:02, 2:34:11]: Mayor Pro, I think we sh I think Mayor Ford, we just need to get some patterns from the clerk because I don't know what pass votes and then if she could just tell us whether there's ever been any of this that's happened. [2:34:12, 2:34:19]: That would I think give us a guide. And it has if you will, it did happen last year. [2:34:20, 2:34:33]: It happened with when we had a uh when we voted at a work session, I'm saying at a retreat last year, and Councilwoman Barber came to the meeting uh uh council meeting and changed her vote. It's happened already. [2:34:33, 2:34:37]: The presence of that has already been set and it w and it it was set in stone. [2:34:37, 2:34:38]: With that. [2:34:39, 2:34:43]: So that has happened. Is that has it has happened within the last year. [2:34:44, 2:34:49]: If you all remember that, that uh I'm I'm trying to remember what the item was, but I remember it happened. [2:34:49, 2:34:53]: Um parking item. It was in February of 2020. [2:34:54, 2:34:56]: Or it might be March, one or the other. [2:34:57, 2:34:58]: Um [2:34:59, 2:35:17]: I mean, it can happen. I I guess the conflict is coming with the process. If the process is to make two amendments to do it, then what I mean, we need to go ahead and do that because we're gonna be going all with this litigation all night on something that uh obviously uh the city attorney and the clerk has said she's got the right to do it. It's just how about how do we go about doing it? [2:35:19, 2:35:19]: Mayor. [2:35:20, 2:35:27]: Yes, ma'am. Go ahead. We move on. However, what what you need to consider is the fact that a motion [2:35:27, 2:35:30]: calls for a vote. That's and I'm that's [2:35:30, 2:35:31]: Okay. [2:35:32, 2:35:37]: F to bring a motion to the table, that means you are c asking for a vote. [2:35:38, 2:35:43]: Yes, and I made a motion to reconsider. Can we move forward with our motion, please? [2:35:45, 2:35:48]: All right. So you made a motion reconsider. Was that motion seconded? [2:35:50, 2:35:58]: It was seconded by Councilman Blount. Okay. Third time. All right. All right. So it's been seconded. So all in favor of the motion, please syndicate. [2:36:01, 2:36:02]: Opposed. [2:36:04, 2:36:05]: Abstain. [2:36:06, 2:36:10]: So we so what happened is mayor, we sit here and say [2:36:10, 2:36:13]: That the person has a right to do something, but we we vote not to give her that right. [2:36:15, 2:36:16]: Well that's my point. [2:36:16, 2:36:18]: Mairful that's that's my point. [2:36:19, 2:36:20]: You can't do that. [2:36:21, 2:36:21]: Yeah. [2:36:22, 2:36:24]: I saw council member, can I [2:36:25, 2:36:31]: Can I just give you a hypothetical that I mean the way we did it I think is correct, but I'll give you a hypothetical if y'all approved a zoning. [2:36:32, 2:36:33]: Three to two. [2:36:34, 2:36:41]: Then the the the next day someone goes out and starts building or does something to relying on the zoning. [2:36:41, 2:36:46]: And then two weeks later, someone reverses course by just said, Oops, I I want to change this way. [2:36:47, 2:36:50]: That the the the person has acted. [2:36:50, 2:36:52]: Based on the zoning on the three two boat. [2:36:53, 2:36:57]: So that's why it takes a process, a full council process, a motion. [2:36:58, 2:37:02]: To reconsider and then you actually vote on the the underlying motion again. [2:37:03, 2:37:05]: Rather than a person just simply saying [2:37:05, 2:37:08]: I want to change from yes to no or no to yes. [2:37:08, 2:37:09]: One. [2:37:09, 2:37:10]: Uhtor Berry. [2:37:10, 2:37:13]: I that that action. [2:37:13, 2:37:16]: With a developer or investor. [2:37:16, 2:37:17]: Um [2:37:17, 2:37:21]: That would be based on a contractual agreement, correct? [2:37:22, 2:37:30]: This is not contractual. All I'm asking is to resend m rescind my vote in support of an Halloween event. [2:37:31, 2:37:37]: There is no contractual agreement tied to that. So we have to look at these situations differently. [2:37:38, 2:37:46]: All of that. It's Robert's rules. I mean, I it I I just gave an example of zoning, but I mean we could come up with any example. [2:37:46, 2:37:48]: Totally different situation. [2:37:49, 2:38:01]: Mayor, uh stand by I have my hand up, right? Go ahead, sir. Okay, listen, we got six lawyers up here. Okay, we can go through this process all night. We just voted. [2:38:02, 2:38:17]: We we just voted. So in essence, what's going to happen is uh is is we can continue this process all night or we're gonna have another vote to see whether or not we give you the right, and then once you get the right, then we gotta have a right to overturn it. [2:38:17, 2:38:23]: After that. So what are we going to do? Because we can't keep going back all night with six lawyers discussing it. [2:38:24, 2:38:31]: Is the two attorneys gonna speak and then we're gonna move on or are we gonna have another vote? Let's make a decision. This is going on forever. [2:38:34, 2:38:41]: Well I say we move forward because uh the as far as I'm concerned, if the vote was was taken uh two weeks ago, over a week or so ago. [2:38:41, 2:38:53]: Okay, so let's move on. Ms. Blount, go ahead. And that's fine if if Councilwoman Barber wants to move on, because it's her prerogative. But if but if we're stating that someone has a right to do something. [2:38:53, 2:38:58]: And they do it, but we vote against that right. That's that's kind of interesting to me. [2:38:58, 2:39:02]: If she got a right to change her vote, then we allow that and then we just take another vote. [2:39:02, 2:39:06]: I wouldn't stand between any council member that has the right to change their vote. [2:39:06, 2:39:10]: If they have that right to to say no, you can't change your vote. [2:39:10, 2:39:16]: Well, we did we did we did vote on it in a vote. I mean the vote fail it failed, I believe, is what happened. [2:39:17, 2:39:21]: Uh my m my exactly. So we we're [2:39:21, 2:39:25]: W w we'll say that that person have a right but you vote against the person's right. [2:39:25, 2:39:26]: Uh nice. [2:39:26, 2:39:27]: Okay. [2:39:27, 2:39:33]: Mr. Thomas. I I just want to go on record that uh I I abstain from from from this item. [2:39:33, 2:39:53]: Okay. All right. Good deal. All right. What happened is that we're gonna move on, folks. I've somehow during the process, shame on me, I I missed uh Miss Wheeler. So otherwise there is the uh council consideration to approve the twenty twenty two holiday schedule. Miss Wheeler, please, and excuse me for my eyesight and missing you in this aspect. But go ahead. [2:39:53, 2:39:58]: your recommendation of the 2022 holidays scheduled for for next year. [2:39:59, 2:40:00]: We're asking for your approval. [2:40:03, 2:40:04]: Any questions for Miss Wheeler? [2:40:07, 2:40:13]: Could we could we put a mark could we put it could we display the schedule again for the public to see it? [2:40:14, 2:40:16]: I don't have it on my screen. I don't [2:40:17, 2:40:25]: Have it available to unless you can just if if no if we don't have access to it, put it on a is it a way that you can state what they are, I suppose? Would that help? [2:40:26, 2:40:29]: Well it's uh January first, New Year's Day. [2:40:30, 2:40:35]: Um January seventeenth, Martin Luther King holiday. April fifteenth, Good Friday. [2:40:35, 2:40:37]: May thirtieth, Memorial Day. [2:40:38, 2:40:40]: June nineteenth, which is Juneteenth holiday. [2:40:41, 2:40:43]: July fourth, Independence Day. [2:40:44, 2:40:45]: September fifth, Labor Day. [2:40:46, 2:40:48]: November twenty fourth, Thanksgiving Day. [2:40:49, 2:40:52]: November twenty fifth, the day after Thanksgiving. [2:40:52, 2:40:54]: December twenty fourth, Christmas Eve. [2:40:55, 2:40:57]: And December twenty fifth, Christmas Day. [2:40:59, 2:40:59]: Good. [2:41:00, 2:41:01]: There you have it. Okay. [2:41:02, 2:41:05]: Need a motion to accept the holiday schedule. [2:41:05, 2:41:08]: So move. All the counter. So moved. Mr. Blount, is there a second? [2:41:11, 2:41:12]: Is there a second? [2:41:15, 2:41:20]: Okay, no second for the holiday schedule calendar. Oh Miss Barber, you second that. All right. [2:41:21, 2:41:22]: All in favor, please indicate. [2:41:24, 2:41:29]: Okay, so now she seized. Thank you very much. Thank you, Ms. Wheeler. Okay, let's see here. [2:41:30, 2:41:40]: Council consideration approved the 2020 utility billing billing write-offs, fourteen thousand one hundred and eleven dollars and seventy cents. Mr. Wiggins, please. [2:41:41, 2:41:44]: Yes, this item here staff is asking council to [2:41:45, 2:41:48]: approved the twenty twenty utility building right off and the amount fourteen thousand [2:41:49, 2:41:51]: One hundred and eleven dollars seventy cents. [2:41:51, 2:41:52]: Uh uh. [2:41:53, 2:41:56]: This write off is uh is a decrease from last year. [2:41:57, 2:42:01]: Of about a hundred and sixty seven dollars fifty nine cents last year. [2:42:01, 2:42:02]: It was fourteen thousand. [2:42:03, 2:42:05]: Two hundred and seventy nine dollars and thirty-seven cents. [2:42:06, 2:42:07]: Uh [2:42:07, 2:42:08]: And [2:42:09, 2:42:09]: Right. [2:42:10, 2:42:11]: uh past years uh [2:42:13, 2:42:16]: We uh come and evaluate um [2:42:17, 2:42:18]: The accounts to where [2:42:19, 2:42:23]: Get to a point where these accounts have been sent off to collection. [2:42:23, 2:42:24]: And now we're asking [2:42:25, 2:42:29]: uh council to write them off, but at the same time we are [2:42:29, 2:42:31]: They're in collection that we [2:42:31, 2:42:34]: We'll s we'll let in collection go through the collection. [2:42:34, 2:42:37]: Прос тої ту колекта [2:42:38, 2:42:39]: The funds. [2:42:42, 2:42:44]: Okay. Any question for Mr. Wiggins Council? [2:42:46, 2:42:49]: If not, I need a motion to accept his proposal. [2:42:49, 2:42:53]: Mr. Mr. Alexander, okay, is there a second? [2:42:55, 2:42:56]: Is there a second? [2:43:00, 2:43:03]: Is there a second for this proposal to write this off? [2:43:05, 2:43:06]: Ms. Barber seconds that. [2:43:07, 2:43:08]: Any further discussion. [2:43:09, 2:43:11]: [9792.6, 9795.2]: Any further discussion? If not, all in favor, please indicate. [2:43:17, 2:43:29]: All right. Mr. Thomas, I'm sorry. Uh Abstain. Okay, so it's 301. Okay. Thank you. Um, Mr. Wiggins, counsel. All right. [2:43:31, 2:43:51]: Okay, council consideration appoint a uh member to the council on aging presented by says Mr. Washington present this. So it's only one applicant that I see in a book here. Typically, when we have these particular uh appointments, we go into Zeckling session for this to discuss this uh this aspect. Uh so I don't know if we want to do that in a little [2:43:51, 2:43:58]: later on or if we want to just go ahead and uh appoint this one individual here. Mr. Washington. Mr. Washington, please. [2:43:59, 2:44:05]: I was I was fine with it going forward, John I just for one. I mean if if we want to do all these in executive session again, that's who else called. [2:44:06, 2:44:10]: Okay. [2:44:10, 2:44:20]: Okay. Yes, Mayor Putin, go ahead, please. Yeah, I just want to go ahead and make a motion to apport the appoint Dorita Barber to the council on aging as a representative for the city of Stockbridge. [2:44:20, 2:44:21]: Okay, is there a second? [2:44:23, 2:44:24]: Is there a second? [2:44:26, 2:44:27]: Miss Barber, you second that? [2:44:27, 2:44:30]: I'll second that there's no relations. [2:44:30, 2:44:32]: Okay. [2:44:32, 2:44:36]: All right. Record. Okay. All f all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:44:38, 2:44:40]: Okay. Zanasi says thank you very much. [2:44:41, 2:44:42]: Um [2:44:42, 2:45:02]: She's a distinguished veteran, brother. Well, fantastic. I didn't know that, but fantastic. Council consideration, council consideration to appoint members of the Main Street Advisory Board. Once again, this was presented by Miss Braggs and uh didn't know whether or not we want to go to ZECO session for this. I believe all the members that are are up for reappointment. [2:45:02, 2:45:10]: or all individuals that are currently on the main street advisory board. So council, what is your desire? You want to [2:45:10, 2:45:15]: Go wanna go to second session for this or we wanna well I tell you what let Ms uh Mr. Thomas go ahead please. [2:45:16, 2:45:29]: Mayor Ford, I I move to accept um all nominees for reconsideration. I don't think there's anyone outside. I think all board members are asking to return. [2:45:29, 2:45:32]: Uh and I move to uh to accept. [2:45:32, 2:45:39]: Second. Thank you very much. And Miss Bragg, did you have anything you want to add at this point? [2:45:43, 2:45:44]: Are you you somehow you muted? [2:45:48, 2:45:50]: I don't know you I don't know why you're muted, but you're muted. [2:45:51, 2:45:56]: Okay. Anyway. Okay. I am I am going to do that. All favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:45:57, 2:46:17]: All right, so you name the situation. Thank you very much. Thank you, Council. Congratulations, uh, Ms. Bragg. Okay, uh Council consideration to appoint members of the Stockbridge Youth Council, uh, advisory committee. Once again, it's presented by Mr. Washington. And once again, there's several uh members here, didn't know whether or not once again we wanted to do this. [2:46:17, 2:46:19]: And go straight straight into the um [2:46:20, 2:46:22]: Two is that one session for this or not? Yes, ma'am. [2:46:23, 2:46:33]: Do you have the number of applicants? Because I believe there may be more applicants than there are positions where you have to go to executive session. Okay. Well then. [2:46:33, 2:46:35]: Then uh that will cause that then. Um [2:46:37, 2:46:39]: I don't uh I would have to count'em up. [2:46:40, 2:46:43]: I have seven. Do you have seven? Do you have seven? [2:46:43, 2:46:46]: Seven for the youth advisory council, yes. Then you're okay. [2:46:48, 2:46:55]: And if you if you want to support support all of those. Um okay, thank you, Ms. Holiday. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [2:46:55, 2:46:57]: I just motion to approve them all. Oh, is there a second? [2:46:59, 2:47:00]: Is there a second? [2:47:01, 2:47:01]: Um second. [2:47:02, 2:47:05]: Okay, Mr. Alexander seconds that motion needs further discussion. [2:47:06, 2:47:10]: Um, I would prefer that we have an executive session. [2:47:11, 2:47:14]: Oh okay. That's just thoughts, but any further comments? [2:47:15, 2:47:18]: Yes, sir. [2:47:19, 2:47:19]: Um [2:47:20, 2:47:23]: There was a candidate that I favorite. Um [2:47:24, 2:47:28]: I need to go back and look and see if that person is in in that listing. [2:47:29, 2:47:32]: Um and I hate to call the name um [2:47:34, 2:47:34]: Mm. [2:47:36, 2:47:42]: Oh let me clarification if I may. So how how many positions and how many candidates, uh Mrs. Holiday? [2:47:44, 2:47:48]: Seven positions, seven counts or seven candidates. Yes, seven candidates. [2:47:49, 2:47:51]: They currently have eight. [2:47:52, 2:47:55]: Positions open on that board. Okay, there you go. [2:47:57, 2:48:13]: There are a number of there's one, two, three unexpired terms that need to be filled. So some of these positions will be just filling it for one year because Mr. Canton Jones, Jonathan Coley, and Pamela Warner. [2:48:14, 2:48:15]: are vacating their [2:48:16, 2:48:17]: Seats early. [2:48:18, 2:48:19]: And then you have [2:48:19, 2:48:20]: Three. [2:48:21, 2:48:22]: Um [2:48:23, 2:48:28]: vacancies and then two that are asking to be reappointed that are currently on the board. [2:48:28, 2:48:32]: And that is um a part of my concern. So how do you [2:48:32, 2:48:34]: How do you determine which of the [2:48:35, 2:48:38]: will be just filling out a remaining term. [2:48:39, 2:48:42]: How do you determine which of these applicants are new? [2:48:43, 2:48:44]: Um for [2:48:44, 2:48:47]: appointees, how do you determine that? [2:48:48, 2:48:50]: That's what we need to have some discussions about. [2:48:50, 2:48:52]: I suppose you're gonna win. [2:48:52, 2:48:53]: Okay. [2:48:54, 2:48:57]: If that is the case, yes sir, Mr. Blount. [2:48:57, 2:49:02]: So you're saying that we don't have positions for all seven Africans. Is that what you're saying? [2:49:03, 2:49:05]: No, sir, that's not what I'm saying. [2:49:06, 2:49:19]: What the the question that Ms. Barber is asking is how do you determine which candidates will fill the unexpired term, which is only going to be a one-year term, and who will get the two-year term for the [2:49:19, 2:49:39]: Vacancy. You you speak to the chair, but if you got seven seven people that want to volunteer on the youth council right now, and you got seven positions open, I think we should give them the chair to respect that we're giving Main Street chair, uh uh the uh DDA chair, and let them decide, let them go. But if the seven can get [2:49:39, 2:49:48]: get in. These are volunteers. I say vote them all in and let the chair determine what she wanna do with them. It's not whether or not to appoint all seven. [2:49:49, 2:49:51]: I support appointing all seven. [2:49:51, 2:49:54]: But how does this council determine? [2:49:54, 2:49:55]: Which of the seven? [2:49:56, 2:50:00]: Will be in positions just to feel this one year term. [2:50:01, 2:50:07]: And which of those applicants will be filling the new four-year term or three year? [2:50:07, 2:50:27]: How do you determine that? Those are the conversations I think we need to discuss in executive session. I think that if we're going to determine who's going to be on the council, then this if the seven is going to be on it, that's fine. Let's just say contingent on which term they're going to serve. But if all if we're going to vote on who's going to be on it, if all [2:50:27, 2:50:40]: all seven can make it on. We don't need I don't I don't need to go in an executive session to find out who's gonna serve two year, one year, three year. I think the chair and they should decide how they're gonna work that out. [2:50:40, 2:50:42]: Because the city clerk [2:50:42, 2:50:44]: Has to be or someone. [2:50:44, 2:50:45]: has to give account. [2:50:46, 2:50:47]: For the terms. [2:50:47, 2:50:49]: Of each of those candidates. [2:50:49, 2:51:05]: Mayor, then then then let that happen. But far as the people that uh been able to make it in, Mayor, we got a first and second. Let's go ahead and okay. The motion's been made. Motion's been made, and I believe we have a second, right? Motion's made, Miss Holiday, motion's made and a second, correct? [2:51:06, 2:51:19]: Right, but mayor, may I just put in the record that I would like to confer with the attorney, which we have always done in the past with the previous attorney to determine the terms. Normally we don't have this many vacancies at one time. [2:51:20, 2:51:25]: And uh is usually as one person is coming in, they're replacing. [2:51:25, 2:51:31]: Someone who has vacated a seat. There's happens to be three vacated seats in addition to three. [2:51:32, 2:51:37]: vacancies. So I would like to put it into the record that I would like to confer with attorneys. [2:51:38, 2:51:39]: On the terms. [2:51:40, 2:51:41]: All right. [2:51:42, 2:51:44]: Is that okay with you, Mr. Washington? [2:51:44, 2:51:46]: Yes. Thank you. [2:51:47, 2:51:57]: All right. The mo the motion's been made. You've already talked a few times. The motion's been made. It's been seconded. All in favor of motion, please indicate. [2:51:59, 2:52:00]: Callopes. [2:52:03, 2:52:04]: Abstain? Yes. [2:52:06, 2:52:10]: Okay, so I got two four. Miss Barber, you abstain. Is that what you're you're doing? [2:52:11, 2:52:11]: Okay. [2:52:11, 2:52:12]: Is that right? [2:52:13, 2:52:15]: Of abstaining. All right, to Mr. Thomas. [2:52:16, 2:52:17]: Well uh [2:52:18, 2:52:22]: Let me explain my issue. There's someone that I want to recommend. [2:52:22, 2:52:33]: I don't know if that person is in the seven. See that that's out of my issue right there. So it's on I don't know how to so there's seven applicants, but there's eight. [2:52:34, 2:52:41]: There's eight applicants and seven positions. Is that correct? Seven positions. Seven applicants, eight. [2:52:41, 2:52:49]: Vacancies. Mayor, the attorney has a name. Mayor Mayor Pro Tem. I think I have the floor. Thank you. You do, sir. Go ahead, please. [2:52:50, 2:52:50]: Okay. [2:52:50, 2:52:52]: There are [2:52:53, 2:52:55]: Seven applicants. [2:52:55, 2:53:04]: And they are a position. Yes. So with that, then with that understanding, the candidate that I wanted to recommend would automatically get in. [2:53:05, 2:53:12]: I I suppose if that person's on that list, if they're going there. So if that is the case, then I I I vote uh in the affirmative. [2:53:13, 2:53:28]: All right, so that 301. 301 is that it passes. 301. That's right. Okay. Uh let's see here. Uh council consideration uh to approve the community development department code enforcement uh [2:53:29, 2:53:30]: Fees. [2:53:31, 2:53:32]: Miss Johnson, please. [2:53:34, 2:53:41]: Good evening, Mayor and Council members. So um what I'm requesting of you today is um [2:53:41, 2:53:43]: The approval of [2:53:43, 2:53:47]: The code enforcement. I don't know if you guys can see my screen. [2:53:47, 2:53:51]: Um is the code enforcement fee schedule. [2:53:52, 2:53:57]: All of my other divisions throughout the the county with their violations for you know not [2:53:58, 2:53:58]: Um [2:53:59, 2:54:16]: obtaining a permit in time or before work begins, things like that, those are handled. We have those fee schedules. And I do anticipate bringing those to you all as an updated fee schedule. But code enforcement, who we have the most violations for. [2:54:16, 2:54:22]: did not have a current fee schedule. So I'm bringing this before you now for you get all to um [2:54:23, 2:54:24]: To review [2:54:24, 2:54:44]: and to approve so that we can get this in place um either immediately or the first of the year. Our our goal is to get these out to a lot of the business owners and residents over the next you know week, two weeks so that they can be made aware upfront because we're gonna give people their notice of violation. [2:54:44, 2:54:52]: And give them a certain time frame to come into compliance with the code. And then we'll go start from the first offense, second offense, and so on. [2:54:54, 2:54:58]: Okay, great. Fantastic. Uh council, any questions for Ms. Johnson on his fee schedule? [2:55:00, 2:55:06]: Uh Mayor Mayor Ford. Go ahead, Mr. Thomas. Um Mrs. Johnson, thank you. [2:55:06, 2:55:10]: I I guess the only question I have is is about uh enforcement. [2:55:11, 2:55:12]: Um [2:55:12, 2:55:14]: So they're cited. [2:55:15, 2:55:17]: I guess they're giving warnings. [2:55:18, 2:55:20]: They're cited, that comes to court. [2:55:22, 2:55:23]: If if they don't come to court. [2:55:24, 2:55:25]: The what happens? [2:55:26, 2:55:31]: So what typically happens is from from beginning from start to finish is [2:55:31, 2:55:47]: Um, if there is a perceived violation by one of my code officers, they will issue a notice to comply or notice a violation so that the applicant, the resident, business owner has a certain number of days to come into compliance with the code. [2:55:47, 2:55:51]: If they do not come into compliance with the code, that officer is scheduled to come back. [2:55:52, 2:55:55]: within after that time frame and they will issue a citation. [2:55:56, 2:55:58]: The citation will be that first offense. [2:55:59, 2:56:03]: Um and of course once a violation is a citation is issued. [2:56:03, 2:56:14]: those folks immediately get placed on, you know, the upcoming docket. We haven't had court in several months, but the first meeting I think we have is in April of 2022. [2:56:15, 2:56:19]: If we continue to see these offenses happening with these same [2:56:20, 2:56:22]: business owners or residents. [2:56:23, 2:56:24]: We will you know [2:56:24, 2:56:27]: They'll be hit with another fee. [2:56:27, 2:56:40]: to pay. And the I the idea behind this is to keep habitual violators to a minimum because we are having that problem now on multiple occasions throughout the city. [2:56:43, 2:56:51]: Okay. Yeah, Mr. Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. Yeah, I'm looking at this list. The fine for overgrown grass is too low. [2:56:51, 2:56:52]: Okay, fifty dollars. [2:56:53, 2:56:54]: I mean [2:56:54, 2:56:55]: Yeah. [2:56:55, 2:57:02]: I just might as well not cut it. It's gonna cost me fifty dollars to get somebody to cut it. I'm gonna find gonna be what it's gonna cost to cut it. [2:57:02, 2:57:13]: So me, I might as well not cut it. They ain't gonna find me for fifty dollars anyway. That that's how much it's gonna cost to get it cut. So why is the fine for overgrown grass so low when we're trying to [2:57:14, 2:57:17]: uh emphasize that uh in our area. [2:57:17, 2:57:37]: Well, part of our due diligence and best practices is to make sure that we pull fees that are comparable around the region. And these are comparable to the region. Um, of course, you know, the council has the authority to say, hey, let's raise this, let's say 75 for the first offense, 100 for the second, um, whatever your place. [2:57:37, 2:57:47]: pleasure is, but all of these um violation fees have been based on what is typically handled throughout the region of the Atlanta region. [2:57:48, 2:57:54]: Okay. And where's the fine for l litter on their parking lot or their business? Where's that at? [2:57:55, 2:57:56]: Okay. [2:57:56, 2:57:58]: So we have um [2:58:00, 2:58:08]: Commercial vehicles, onsite parking, outside storage. Outside storage is also considered, you know, looking at illegal dumping. [2:58:09, 2:58:13]: things like that. So we have them kind of on each front and our code specific and [2:58:14, 2:58:22]: what the violation entails. So outdoor storage is considered if you have, you know, trash, rubbish, [2:58:23, 2:58:27]: And then we have the um international property maintenance code. [2:58:27, 2:58:29]: Іщу слайк санітачін. [2:58:29, 2:58:35]: when people have evictions and property items are being put out on the curb. [2:58:35, 2:58:40]: those are things we're quickly working with public works and our um [2:58:41, 2:58:43]: our sanitation company to get those removed. [2:58:44, 2:58:48]: So we we've tried to cover everything we possibly can as far as um [2:58:49, 2:58:51]: our all our code violations. [2:58:51, 2:58:53]: in this co in this fee schedule. [2:58:54, 2:58:55]: Well, when I go to building A. [2:58:56, 2:58:58]: Which is a gas station, which I won't name. [2:58:59, 2:59:05]: There's trash all over the parking lot. I don't see that covered here. I wanna uh is there any way to put a specific [2:59:05, 2:59:09]: Note in there about parking lots and commercial. [2:59:09, 2:59:13]: uh buildings they need to go outside and pick up the trash on a regular basis. [2:59:14, 2:59:19]: If you're a fast food restaurant and you got litter and bags and fries all over the ground. [2:59:19, 2:59:20]: Where is that at? [2:59:21, 2:59:29]: I I see a lot of mismatch, but can it can one be put in specifically for litter on a parking lot? [2:59:29, 2:59:30]: Sure, we can add that. [2:59:31, 2:59:32]: That's not a problem. [2:59:33, 2:59:37]: Okay, I would like to see that uh added where litter is added. [2:59:38, 2:59:41]: Uh, to the parking lot on any commercial business. [2:59:41, 2:59:43]: Or in the city. [2:59:43, 2:59:49]: Uh a stop with so do we have to make a motion on that or what? I would I'd just like to hear from the rest of the [2:59:49, 2:59:51]: Rest of y'all uh rest of this [2:59:52, 2:59:55]: the councils uh as well as far as that's concerned. [2:59:55, 3:00:02]: Yeah, I would think we need some type of motion, some type of approval for the a majority, at least a m simple majority council. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [3:00:02, 3:00:07]: Mayor, I'm in totally one hundred percent agreement with that, but I would uh I would would that we would [3:00:08, 3:00:15]: That the motion would be in a way that it covers. Uh, I just called uh Mr. Aaron just last week. [3:00:16, 3:00:24]: Um, there's a driveway that you go into, and there's this big hole. It's on private property, but there's a big hole that you can't miss going in it. [3:00:25, 3:00:32]: And people are actually tearing their cars up. So if it's some type of language that we can put in that these businesses have to up these owners. [3:00:32, 3:00:52]: Have to keep upkeep of their property, that it doesn't become a nuisance to the community nor become a hazard to the uh to uh uh citizens. Uh however we formulate that, I would like that verbiage to be that encompasses all of this pertaining to their parking lots. When we talk about these parking lots that are, that are that are [3:00:52, 3:00:53]: Yeah. [3:00:53, 3:01:02]: That that are holes are everywhere in them, that that they're not upkeeping, they're trashed up. Whatever we need to do to hold these owners accountable for. [3:01:02, 3:01:13]: the upkeep of their properties and the and and the uh beautification of their properties, if there's a way that we can do that legally, I like whatever motion we make, it encompasses everything. [3:01:14, 3:01:22]: Councilman, um Blount, if I may, so we have uh nuisances listed here and there's a whole range of nuisances in the code. [3:01:23, 3:01:26]: Um, that would cover what you're speaking of and also unsafe conditions. [3:01:27, 3:01:35]: cover that as well. I think um Chief Trammer wanted to to chime in as well on this as well. Yeah, he he had his hand up. Go ahead, Chief. [3:01:35, 3:01:45]: Yes, I just wanted to point out that within the municipal codes of Georgia, um, Title Eleven under offenses, there's a specific chapter eleven point six that addresses littering in the city. [3:01:45, 3:01:51]: And all the things that were mentioned by Mayor Pro Tem are addressed within this ordinance that's already listed. [3:01:51, 3:01:56]: in the city code and the minimum fine already established is two hundred dollars for the first offense. [3:01:57, 3:01:59]: and up to a thousand dollars for the second offense. [3:02:00, 3:02:05]: Well, my m um Ms. Alexander, if you don't mind me asking this question, uh [3:02:06, 3:02:15]: Then, if it's already in there, what is the oversight? Then I guess we need to have to have oversight because we see the same situation for months. [3:02:15, 3:02:18]: Then it's not the owners, it's us not enforcing it. [3:02:20, 3:02:37]: That that's my concern now then. And so with this schedule, whatever we need to say and enforce, and and I guess that's an internal thing now, because if this is what we see on a continual basis, then enforcement is not there. That hole has been there quite a while. And if any of you go by there on 138 over by the uh [3:02:37, 3:02:46]: uh um over by the um uh animal hospital. There's this big hole there and I I took I took pictures and saw to Dacious uh Mr. Aaron. [3:02:47, 3:03:07]: It's a it's a nuisance and a hazard to the community. So if that's been there, then I guess now we got to look at enforcement. We have to look at what on our end, how do we we need to do what we need to do to have these business owners to enforce picking up this trash or enforce keeping their their parking lots like they should be, then it's not them. Then it's you're telling us it's up. [3:03:07, 3:03:07]: [10988.5, 10995.9]: I certainly support putting both of those in there and having a fee schedule for the parking lot maintenance described by Mr. Blount. [3:03:16, 3:03:25]: And also a separate one for track a line item that is specifically addressed trash on the parking lot and a s and uh and a fine on that and then another [3:03:26, 3:03:35]: category that the deals with maintenance on the parking lot and paving with diff with fines on that one. So that they have this in front of them when they're out there. [3:03:35, 3:03:38]: uh looking for these particular violations. [3:03:39, 3:03:41]: Okay, Miss Barber, you have your hand up. [3:03:42, 3:03:55]: I wanted to ask Ms. Johnson, um so fine for uh storage pods for residents who might just be doing some home renovations. Is that listed here as well? [3:04:00, 3:04:16]: It's not specifically stated outright, but it will be considered under nuisance as well. Um, because we I believe there's a time limit on how long those can stay on a property. Uh, because remember they're typically in a driveway or some sometimes they've been spotted on the street. [3:04:16, 3:04:21]: Which of course is completely outside of um our co-regulations. [3:04:21, 3:04:25]: Um as it pertains to those two additional line items. [3:04:26, 3:04:39]: uh the litter and rubbish and commercial properties and then property lot or parking lot maintenance. That's something we can easily add. Chief and I will will um collaborate on that and ensure that the proper fees are installed. [3:04:41, 3:04:42]: All right. [3:04:42, 3:04:45]: So um yeah, okay, Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please, sir. [3:04:45, 3:04:57]: Yeah, I I just wanted to um echo and concur with the with the litter uh issue. Now I I wanted to ask this question of Mrs. Johnson. Uh uh what I see oftentimes. [3:04:58, 3:05:04]: especially in a strip mall, you have a a number of businesses, but there's trash everywhere. So do you [3:05:05, 3:05:07]: identify who actually owned [3:05:08, 3:05:14]: Um um the the property uh as opposed to the individual tenant. Is is that the process? [3:05:15, 3:05:19]: Yes, we notify the tenant, but our conversation about [3:05:20, 3:05:21]: compliances with the property owner. [3:05:22, 3:05:27]: Okay. Now I know we're in the process of uh approving our UDC. [3:05:27, 3:05:31]: Uh I'm now I'm going to parking on the street and I know um [3:05:32, 3:05:42]: the no parking signs, the no litter signs. Uh and I know public works have sort of dealt with the signs, but uh is any of this [3:05:42, 3:05:46]: Two two questions. Is any of this in your uh area? [3:05:46, 3:05:48]: My my other question is [3:05:49, 3:05:59]: um the codes of the codes up today because I was gonna you mentioned the codes because I because I was gonna ask you a little bit more about uh nuisance and abatement. [3:05:59, 3:06:04]: And so I I just didn't know how all of this uh works together. [3:06:05, 3:06:06]: Can you speak to any of that? [3:06:07, 3:06:08]: Absolutely. So [3:06:09, 3:06:14]: Um as it pertains to parking and and the the woes that I think residents have had. [3:06:14, 3:06:34]: Um, with people parking on the street, the roads not being wide enough for other cars to pass. That is something that myself, Mr. Aaron, and um will be a conversation with our new city manager to address how we need to go about managing that. Um, and and address whether we need to, you know. [3:06:35, 3:06:39]: talk with you guys more about a tow company, things like that. So that is gonna require [3:06:39, 3:06:59]: additional conversation with uh city management before it actually comes to you all. And your second question, um as it pertains to you know these other types of nuisances and abatement, again, those are conversations that we would go through with the city [3:06:59, 3:07:13]: manager as far as procedurally. Of course our codes do need a little brushing up and that is will be the next phase. But this would be the first step in addressing those habitual um [3:07:13, 3:07:22]: Violators. And so we go back, take a look at our code, see what things need to be changed because there's most certainly are some things that we need to tighten up on. [3:07:22, 3:07:25]: And then we'll bring those back to you all for a vote. [3:07:25, 3:07:31]: L last questions if I may. Uh parking in the street and no parking signs. [3:07:31, 3:07:35]: Is there a difference in subdivisions? [3:07:35, 3:07:37]: No parking and [3:07:38, 3:07:41]: um regular uh street [3:07:41, 3:07:42]: No park in it. [3:07:44, 3:07:47]: Um there is a we do have a a [3:07:48, 3:07:57]: Interestingly enough, we do have an ordinance that speaks specifically specifically to parking permits on the street, which is [3:07:58, 3:07:59]: very um [3:08:00, 3:08:08]: Um at at best very difficult to manage for uh staff. I mean, they have 3 AM cutoffs and [3:08:08, 3:08:14]: it just gets really, you know, interesting. But again, the that section, other sections like it. [3:08:14, 3:08:18]: would be something we would look at on a best practices measure. [3:08:18, 3:08:23]: and bring those back to city management and then to you all for for a vote. [3:08:24, 3:08:26]: Okay,'cause I know there um [3:08:26, 3:08:29]: Presently there are no parking sands. [3:08:29, 3:08:45]: uh on on several street not subdivision but just just regular streets and and i guess i'm i'm sort of going to the enforcement part of it and i guess maybe the chief can speak to that or i don't want to tie this meeting up but i i think this uh [3:08:45, 3:08:58]: All of this is something that we have to try to continue to improve upon. So I'm just going to stop there and I guess we will continue uh these kind of uh discussion because as we see now in this discussion. [3:08:58, 3:09:18]: There's a lot that we need to be about improving upon. But that's always been one of my issues and my concerns, uh parking on the street. And they and they park they park on the street where there's a sign that says no parking on the street. So they pretty much just ignore that. But I know in the past it was all about enforcement. [3:09:18, 3:09:18]: So [3:09:19, 3:09:22]: Maybe uh you know we can have this discussion with the chief at another time. [3:09:23, 3:09:27]: Absolutely. And and the and the city manager as well to address. [3:09:28, 3:09:42]: how we can enforce it, which is gonna be towing cars who do not adhere to the code. And until we get that nailed down, um, the enforcement for that uh would would not quite be in place, but we are working towards that and will with the new city manager. [3:09:44, 3:10:04]: Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. May Mayor, one last thing. Uh well, first of all, before I get to that, uh Ms. Johnson, could you give this council a breakdown of the definition? Because I'm as we look at some of these titles, they are they do get kind of vague uh when you look at different titles that you have on here. Um so if is is that something [3:10:04, 3:10:23]: that you can give us the breakdown each one of these. So if a if if someone calls us about something that we can look on and say, yeah, this is a violation because we see this and we see that in there. Is there a breakdown of this right here or those violations that that shows us that it's a true violation that you can give this counsel? [3:10:24, 3:10:28]: So if I if I'm if I'm clear on the question. [3:10:28, 3:10:31]: Where does where do these violations fall into the code? [3:10:31, 3:10:34]: Well for for instance you got unsafe [3:10:34, 3:10:50]: Yeah, yeah, you got unsafe, even if you could directly sit the coat when you got unsafe conditions. What does that actually mean? I mean, that's what you have on you see what I'm saying? So what does that actually mean? Unsafe conditions? Because what I just described could have been an unsafe condition, you know, with the whole industry. [3:10:50, 3:11:05]: And and the be and I I put those and that's a great question. Um I put that listing of violations under the International Property Maintenance Code, because those are the violations that are specific under the IMPC, the IPMC. [3:11:05, 3:11:06]: And [3:11:06, 3:11:16]: This is international. This is, you know, covered throughout Georgia. It's adopted by the city. Um, and we have to follow I'd have to go through kind of specifically. [3:11:17, 3:11:24]: Um, to to kind of give you a breakdown of that. But unsafe conditions, one of them would be when you have potholes and parking lots. [3:11:24, 3:11:27]: or, you know, places that can cause some type of um [3:11:28, 3:11:31]: Um, even if even if it's something as small as [3:11:31, 3:11:33]: The hedges on a property. [3:11:33, 3:11:35]: are you know obstructing view [3:11:35, 3:11:36]: To a driver. [3:11:37, 3:11:42]: Um things like that. So it it it it comes in a lot of different forms. [3:11:42, 3:11:48]: But um I can most certainly get you a clear breakdown per the IPMC. [3:11:48, 3:12:00]: Yeah, yeah. And I so we can reference actually our code what what you have. Certainly. Most certainly. Well, and and last the question is is that when we talk about parking, I called um [3:12:01, 3:12:05]: I called um I got in touch with um I I think it was you mayor. [3:12:06, 3:12:10]: Uh it was like sixteen trucks, seventeen trucks parked at uh [3:12:11, 3:12:15]: On Hudson Bridge Road at the Walmart, seventeen trucks, seventeen just out front. [3:12:16, 3:12:19]: And so it's becoming a parking uh haven. [3:12:19, 3:12:23]: uh for truckers. How do we address those type of issues? [3:12:24, 3:12:38]: Well, we since obtaining or getting the complaint um about a week and a half ago, uh my code enforcement officers have been out to both locations, Hudson Bridge and 138, and have tried to set up meetings with management to address this because [3:12:39, 3:12:43]: Yeah, one of two things are happening. Either Walmart is allowing it or the [3:12:43, 3:12:56]: you know, folks who are in the trucks are just parking and just not not, you know, adhering to the the requirements. So we've spoken with them, we've issued them a notice of violation so that they understand. [3:12:56, 3:12:58]: That you have, you know. [3:12:58, 3:13:02]: three days to come into compliance. Now what the problem we have is [3:13:03, 3:13:04]: Um [3:13:04, 3:13:05]: These trucks are parking. [3:13:06, 3:13:10]: Overnight during the times that staff is not in the office. [3:13:10, 3:13:15]: Uh, but we have a regular weekly check-in with those managers. [3:13:16, 3:13:18]: to address that specifically. [3:13:18, 3:13:38]: So I can continue to keep you updated, but they have been issued a notice of violation. Um, I have not received any additional complaints since the last week and a half um at either location, but I've uh tasked my uh staff with making sure we do a regular routine check-in because of course this is obviously [3:13:38, 3:13:39]: [11619.3, 11634.4]: Yeah, Ms. Johnson, but I'm a but but you know that because you don't get a phone call doesn't mean the problem doesn't still exist. And because you contact because you contact uh management and with with Walmart and we get them three days to comply. [3:13:54, 3:13:55]: Um [3:13:56, 3:14:16]: They may have three days to comply with this driver, but it could change every single weekend. Do our code enforcement have any leeway of putting a sticker on these vehicles when they drive through the parking lot? Because there's a big sign, even in Walmart's parking lot, no truck parking. If we have an ordinance against it with the city and they have an ordinance against [3:14:16, 3:14:24]: I'm gonna say they have a um uh something against it pertaining to Walmart. We don't have any kind of stickers or something we can put on these vehicles that they won't come back. [3:14:26, 3:14:29]: Right. Well, I think it it still goes back to enforcement. [3:14:29, 3:14:34]: W even with the stickers, can we the the we have to determine can the city [3:14:34, 3:14:36]: Tow those trucks. [3:14:36, 3:14:48]: if they do not remove their vehicles. Well one of the problem but I'm I'm sorry to cut up but one of the things about stickering putting stickers on vehicles that they're in violation, they have no idea what your powers are to do. [3:14:48, 3:14:59]: They just know they're in violation. And sometimes people would just say, I'm not gonna park up there because I don't wanna be towed, even if we're not even towing. When we let people know that they're in violation. [3:14:59, 3:15:00]: Of something. [3:15:00, 3:15:15]: Then that's when a lot of times they take take advantage and say, I'm not gonna do this because I don't need this on me to have it told or the uh or my company finding out that I gotta stick on you. You see what I'm saying? What are we doing to rectify problem? Cause when you're dealing with Walmarts. [3:15:16, 3:15:19]: Either we got it because they got they got people out there that are [3:15:20, 3:15:23]: That are breaking all the rules of the city of Scott Bridge. [3:15:24, 3:15:26]: All the rules from in uh [3:15:26, 3:15:37]: everywhere from the from the from the street levels to out front everywhere so when are we going to start taking control of the two walmarts to the best of our ability with code enforcement [3:15:38, 3:15:42]: That we got to do more than just talking because we've been talking to Walmarts. [3:15:42, 3:15:44]: Since we since uh [3:15:44, 3:15:46]: Since I've been on council. [3:15:47, 3:15:50]: So when are we gonna start taking control? That's that's my thing. [3:15:50, 3:15:51]: What is that we can do? [3:15:55, 3:16:00]: Well, I mean, this is this is a code enforcement effort that, you know, now that we have the police department [3:16:01, 3:16:06]: on board that gives us the support that we need when we go out on the field. [3:16:07, 3:16:15]: to to realize that, you know, we are n we're serious and you know they don't take us take us for granted. [3:16:15, 3:16:19]: And not adhere. Part of this process with the [3:16:19, 3:16:20]: Um [3:16:20, 3:16:22]: With the citations. [3:16:22, 3:16:25]: is so that we can begin that process. [3:16:25, 3:16:32]: Because we hope that in issuing a citation, people say, Oh no, I've got to pay two hundred, three hundred dollars. [3:16:32, 3:16:34]: for you know [3:16:34, 3:16:40]: being overnight overnight parked in a commercial lot, which is against the code. [3:16:40, 3:16:46]: Calling people working on Sundays? Do they work on Sunday? Yes, they do. Okay, gotcha. They work seven days a week. [3:16:46, 3:17:01]: Gotcha. So um and again, you know, working with the police department is part of this approach to get a stronger arm when my staff is going out there issuing the citations to businesses who are just not adhering to the code. [3:17:03, 3:17:04]: Mr. Alexander, go ahead, please. [3:17:04, 3:17:05]: Thank you. [3:17:06, 3:17:07]: Miss Miss uh [3:17:08, 3:17:11]: Johnson, are we practicing zero tolerance at this point? [3:17:16, 3:17:18]: You're muted, Miss Johnson. [3:17:18, 3:17:23]: Well what we're doing is we're going out. Um we have a a [3:17:23, 3:17:25]: Um S O P [3:17:25, 3:17:30]: standard operating procedures for each of these violations and the timeframe. [3:17:31, 3:17:33]: In which folks have to come into compliance. [3:17:34, 3:17:37]: What we have been missing has been this particular [3:17:37, 3:17:38]: Code. [3:17:38, 3:17:41]: Because even if we cite them, that means they just have to come to court. [3:17:41, 3:17:45]: If there's no dollar amount tied to their violation. [3:17:45, 3:17:48]: they're going to take what we're doing for granted. [3:17:48, 3:17:52]: And they have. And not not everyone. People do come into compliance and [3:17:52, 3:17:55]: do what they're supposed to do, but some don't. [3:17:56, 3:18:04]: And in this particular case, this is one of the tools to help move us to that zero tolerance process. [3:18:04, 3:18:06]: And this is the first step in doing so. [3:18:07, 3:18:10]: Okay, next, will you bring the code when you bring that um [3:18:11, 3:18:15]: uh insert back up with the fine and the ski f uh fee schedule on it. [3:18:16, 3:18:18]: So we it's now it's kind of [3:18:19, 3:18:21]: Mr. Mike, is it just my screen? [3:18:22, 3:18:24]: I think it might be just my screen. [3:18:24, 3:18:25]: Okay. [3:18:26, 3:18:29]: So I made it a little bit larger. There we go. [3:18:35, 3:18:37]: Okay. [3:18:42, 3:18:44]: What is all this thing? [3:18:48, 3:18:50]: Well, okay. [3:18:50, 3:18:53]: Let's do let me see uh [3:18:53, 3:18:57]: Let's uh for some reason come back to me. Come back to me. [3:18:57, 3:19:15]: Okay, let me mention this. There's a couple of different suggestions that were added. I'm kind of wondering whether or not we wanna uh we wanna vote on this this uh this evening in reference to the those additional items being added or whether or not you want those items added and then and then this entire list comes back. [3:19:15, 3:19:25]: Uh I'm not sure what uh what Mayor Pro Tem wants to get clarified here. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. Well uh Mayor, I I was going to move to [3:19:25, 3:19:28]: approved with the modifications. [3:19:28, 3:19:32]: Um now if Mrs. Johnson would like to [3:19:32, 3:19:33]: Um [3:19:34, 3:19:41]: modifier uh her list and I'm okay with that as well, but I was going to motion to accept. [3:19:41, 3:19:45]: Uh with the modification that has been expressed. [3:19:47, 3:19:50]: So I don't know if if if Mr. Johnson wanted to um [3:19:51, 3:20:01]: just just modify and bring it back, but I'm okay with making a motion to to approve with those modification that has been expressed. I'm okay with approving it tonight myself, Mayor. [3:20:01, 3:20:04]: Okay, so Mr. Thomas made a motion. Ms. Barber second that. [3:20:05, 3:20:11]: Mayor. Yes, ma'am. We had a motion by Mayor Proteam Alexander. Originally? [3:20:11, 3:20:25]: Originally for the commercial to add the parking lot litter to the fee schedule and also to add the parking lot maintenance and paving. That's what I think that's what that's what we're talking about. That was seconded. [3:20:25, 3:20:32]: No, it was not seconded, but uh may approach a minute. Well, those are the modifications, aren't they? Right. Those are the modifications we're referring to. [3:20:33, 3:20:40]: That's what that's that covers by that. I think those are what's covered now by Mr. Thomas's motion that was taken by Barber anyway. [3:20:40, 3:20:49]: Yeah, I understand that, but Mayor Proteir made the initial motion, so I just need to know if he's rescinding and allowing their motion to go forward. There was no asset, there's not a second in the motion. [3:20:49, 3:20:53]: Second to Mayor Pro Tem Alexander's motion. [3:20:53, 3:21:06]: Okay. Oh, you now second that motion. Well wait, well wait, well, hold on a second. Now wait. It was already stated, yes. [3:21:07, 3:21:20]: Restated again. So restated again. Mayor Pro Cameron, you made a motion for the when you were speaking about the commercial portion to add for the parking lot later to be added to that fee schedule and also [3:21:20, 3:21:30]: To add the parking lot maintenance and paving that Councilman Blount spoke about, to add that to the peace schedule. There was not a second, but that is what it was motioned. [3:21:30, 3:21:36]: Okay, and this is what I want to do. Thank you so much. Now I got my screen. I had lost contact for a minute. Something went wrong. [3:21:36, 3:21:39]: What I'd like to do is to add that category. [3:21:39, 3:21:41]: For the litter uh [3:21:41, 3:21:43]: For litter on the parking lot. [3:21:43, 3:21:48]: And the fee schedule would include the first fine being a hundred and twenty five dollars. [3:21:50, 3:21:53]: And the second fine being five hundred dollars. [3:21:55, 3:21:58]: And the third fine being a thousand dollars. [3:21:59, 3:21:59]: I say it. [3:22:02, 3:22:03]: All right. Any further discussion? [3:22:04, 3:22:07]: Okay, on the damage to the parking lot. [3:22:07, 3:22:17]: Well oh hold hold on sir. Hold on sir. We you are you adding now to the motion? You just made a motion to do it. Okay. I'm sorry. We gotta have the fee schedule for the damage to the parking lot too, right? [3:22:18, 3:22:19]: Okay. [3:22:19, 3:22:22]: Right. So damn damage to the parking lot. [3:22:22, 3:22:26]: Uh the initial fee will be two hundred and fifty dollars. [3:22:26, 3:22:30]: The second fee will be seven hundred and fifty dollars. [3:22:31, 3:22:39]: And the third fee would be fifteen hundred dollars. It needs to escalate a lot because you know if it's not a significant amount on the first one, why would I fix it? [3:22:40, 3:22:43]: If it's less than a hundred dollars, I might as well leave the hole out there. [3:22:43, 3:22:44]: So [3:22:44, 3:22:45]: That's kind of where we are. [3:22:46, 3:22:48]: Uh on that one as well. And then [3:22:48, 3:22:51]: The third fee schedule on the overgrown grass. [3:22:51, 3:22:55]: We'll start with a hundred and twenty-five dollars on the first. [3:22:56, 3:22:58]: Uh, violation for the overgrown grass. [3:22:58, 3:23:01]: The second violation would be five hundred dollars. [3:23:02, 3:23:07]: And the third violation for overgrown grass would be one thousand dollars. [3:23:09, 3:23:15]: Okay, so now that's the full motion. That's the full motion. Okay. Miss Barber, you mo you seconding that motion now? [3:23:15, 3:23:16]: Yes. [3:23:16, 3:23:28]: Okay. Now uh I want to make sure uh Mr. Blount standby for a second. I want to make sure that's Ms. Holliday has has it all accurate now. I I do. Okay. All right, Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [3:23:29, 3:23:30]: Um [3:23:32, 3:23:36]: Miss Johnson, I mean I'm I we definitely want things to [3:23:37, 3:23:39]: be done by these property uh owners. [3:23:40, 3:23:51]: Um and I don't know where the amounts come from. What are we comparing the amounts to other than you s uh other than them being stated? What what amounts of were you thinking, Ms. Johnson? Because I [3:23:51, 3:23:52]: I mean that's [3:23:53, 3:23:58]: And then that's that that third I'm I'm trying to figure out what where did these amounts come from. [3:23:58, 3:24:18]: Let me tell you where the amounts came from. If I if if I don't you don't if I don't cut my grass and the fee is fifty dollars, I'm with my might as well not cut my grass because it's gonna cost me more than fifty dollars. If it's not gonna cost me more than fifty dollars, I'm not gonna cut it anyway. It's only gonna cost me fifty dollars. Now to cut your grass is gonna cost more than that. [3:24:18, 3:24:27]: at for a commercial location, maybe$75 to$100. So the fine need to be more significant than the actual cost of the cutting of the grass. [3:24:27, 3:24:47]: Now the second fine violation of$500 is punitive because we warned you numerous times in the past. You haven't taken advantage of it. This time we're hitting you hard in the pocketbook at$500 to say never again. You will never do this again. You do it again, a thousand dollars. [3:24:47, 3:24:55]: Is is not going that those mounts send a clear message each time they're escalating. Because if I chose you fifty dollars. [3:24:56, 3:25:14]: What good does it do? I'll pay the fifty dollars and not cut the grass each time. I'm not gonna I'm I'm okay with that. The second time is$125. That's cheaper than costing me to cut the grass. Well, let me let me ask the attorneys when it comes to state law. [3:25:15, 3:25:17]: Could these fees be deemed necessive? [3:25:20, 3:25:21]: need to weigh in with Desmond Court on that. [3:25:22, 3:25:26]: because these are be municipal these will be municipal fines, but generally there's gonna be some latitude. [3:25:27, 3:25:32]: But I wouldn't want to speak on what he would feel comfortable with finds without talking to him. He would be the person enforced. [3:25:33, 3:25:39]: I I I just don't want us to get into excessive fines in the city of Stockbridge because [3:25:40, 3:25:48]: If if if if I'm charged and I'm just wanting to store a number, if I'm charged fifty dollars and the next time I'm charged two hundred, I don't want to pay two hundred again. [3:25:49, 3:25:53]: And I just want to make sure that the pertaining to state law that we're not [3:25:53, 3:26:06]: compared to state law, we're not getting to get into getting into excessive fines here with that because I believe that there should be some type of fine uh put in there. But it this sounds a little uh [3:26:06, 3:26:13]: I think maybe it might be a good idea just to put up two and then at that point the judge sitting on the bench can decide what the amount is that will be given. [3:26:15, 3:26:16]: Right. [3:26:16, 3:26:18]: I do have a question if I may. [3:26:18, 3:26:21]: I think it's the thousand dollar fine the one that kind of got me. [3:26:21, 3:26:23]: The third violation [3:26:25, 3:26:30]: May I ask a question? Uh Chief has his hand up. Yeah, stand stand by, McBarn Pro Town. [3:26:30, 3:26:33]: Um actually stand by Chief. Go ahead, Miss Johnson. [3:26:34, 3:26:35]: So I guess [3:26:36, 3:26:41]: Do we want to separate the two? Separate residential overgrown. [3:26:41, 3:26:44]: grasp was what I'm I think I'm hearing Cosm Wild say. [3:26:45, 3:26:48]: And make a s a separation between the residential [3:26:48, 3:26:54]: R residents, the property owners versus commercial property owners and making a distinction between those fees. [3:26:54, 3:27:02]: My motion refers to commercial businesses. That's what I my initial motion referenced commercial businesses. [3:27:02, 3:27:03]: Okay. [3:27:05, 3:27:07]: All right, then Chief Tramer, go ahead, please. [3:27:10, 3:27:13]: Thank you. And uh forgive me. Uh no this is really not um [3:27:14, 3:27:17]: It it's it's not my agenda item, but I did want to point out [3:27:18, 3:27:21]: Uh just for everybody's awareness that the current city ordinance on litter. [3:27:21, 3:27:29]: uh does address both public and private property. And there's already a minimum fine of$200 as established in the current city charter. [3:27:29, 3:27:31]: So I just wanted to um [3:27:32, 3:27:38]: Put that out there because I know Mayor Pro Tem that you had just mentioned the minimum fine of a hundred and twenty-five dollars, if I believe [3:27:38, 3:27:43]: Um I wrote that down correctly. And so if that's the case, would the city charter need to be amended? [3:27:44, 3:27:47]: based on the motion that Mayor Pro Tem has made. [3:27:48, 3:27:50]: Well, I I did that because [3:27:50, 3:27:55]: The the fine on this schedule that was given to us is fifty dollars. So all of those fees are [3:27:56, 3:28:01]: in error if that is the case. So certainly I could support the if the charter calls for two hundred minimum. [3:28:02, 3:28:06]: I could I all I'll amend my motion to make sure the initial find [3:28:06, 3:28:12]: on all of these, the litter on the parking, the damage to the parking lot and the overgrown grass, the minimum fine. [3:28:12, 3:28:18]: will start at two hundred dollars as referenced in the city charter. Certainly I support a higher fine. [3:28:20, 3:28:24]: Okay. Miss Johnson, do you have any comment on on that at all since you've first brought this forward? [3:28:26, 3:28:30]: Um this was based on residential um areas, commercial we [3:28:31, 3:28:34]: Um can look at differently, but it whatever is the pleasure of the council. [3:28:36, 3:28:47]: Okay. Okay, so on that note, Mayor Potem, you you now've changed the figures and right. This the figure stated by the chief was that the minimum fine on the commercial. [3:28:47, 3:28:51]: was two hundred dollars. So I wanna make sure that we're in line with the charter. [3:28:51, 3:28:53]: So all of those initial fees. [3:28:54, 3:28:55]: would be two hundred dollar minimum. [3:28:56, 3:28:57]: Uh as a referred to. [3:28:57, 3:29:01]: by uh the city charter to be in compliance with the law. [3:29:03, 3:29:06]: Okay. And and not I can display that if you'd like. [3:29:07, 3:29:18]: I I don't know if that's necessarily right yet, Chief. Stand by. I'm sorry, Vanessa. I see you Mr. Blount. Vanessa, go ahead, please. I was just asking, and the second and the third remain the same. Yes. Thank you. [3:29:18, 3:29:24]: Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. And and one of the things we have to remember here with the two hundred dollar fine. [3:29:25, 3:29:36]: That fine can be implemented per day, every day until the until it's corrected. So if it goes up to$1,000, that's because it hasn't been corrected. [3:29:37, 3:29:44]: See, and then we're still in line with the charter because we're not charging a thousand dollars. But if it's not corrected, it could go up to a thousand dollars. [3:29:46, 3:29:59]: Yeah. I I'm I'm comfortable with my motion at this point and it's time to move on. I call for the vote. Okay, stand by. So you motion that you you changed the motion. So is there a second to that particular motion? Now it's been changed. What is the motion? [3:30:00, 3:30:12]: The motion calls for a fee schedule for litter on the parking lot, damage on the parking lot, and overgrown grass on the parking lot. The initial fines for all of those. [3:30:12, 3:30:17]: uh offenses called for a minimum fine of two hundred dollars for each category. [3:30:18, 3:30:28]: Uh litter on the parking lot will be two hundred dollars first fine, five hundred dollars second fine, a thousand dollars third fine. Damage to the parking lot initially. [3:30:28, 3:30:32]: will still be two hundred and fifty dollars because it's higher than the minimum. [3:30:32, 3:30:34]: Seven hundred and fifty dollars on a second. [3:30:35, 3:30:36]: Fifteen hundred dollars on the third. [3:30:37, 3:30:39]: The overgrown grass will now be [3:30:39, 3:30:44]: two hundred dollars on the first, five hundred dollars on the second, and a thousand dollars on the third. [3:30:46, 3:31:02]: Um for me, Mayor, I I can only go with in compliance with the charter on that. I'm I'm I'm for fires. If it's two hundred dollars every day up to a thousand, whatever, but I I can't go with a fee schedule that we haven't talked about with with uh [3:31:02, 3:31:22]: uh per pertaining to what this the the state is actually doing and and and with miss johnson and and with I guess Chief Tramer has some kind of um uh um knowledge of this in in this area. I I I think before I agree to throwing out numbers, which I want that enforcement, but I gotta just make sure our numbers are correct and we talk to the proper people that [3:31:22, 3:31:42]: has vetted this enough that that we're not putting something on our police department or code enforcement that is uh excessive. And uh and because you know when you when you put something excessive on someone, you're gonna get an excessive reaction. So for me, I would like them to set those parameters rather than [3:31:42, 3:31:55]: than we set them because to me it could so it sound like it could be a bit excessive pertaining to what we already have in our charter. And I I couldn't agree to that. I wouldn't want to put that on code enforcement nor on the uh police department. [3:31:56, 3:32:02]: I think what my follow-up question, Ms. Johnson, this this list that you have verified does not [3:32:02, 3:32:06]: uh comport with a daily fine. This is just a fine, is that correct? [3:32:07, 3:32:08]: Okay. [3:32:09, 3:32:10]: That's correct. [3:32:10, 3:32:30]: Right. So we're not we're talking apples and apples and oranges and oranges. We're not talking about finding somebody every day. We're talking about a one-time fine because they have time in the provision on the citation to correct it. So it's not a daily fine. So this is where we are if we want to send a strong message that we want our [3:32:30, 3:32:50]: City cleaned up. We got to get serious about this. And we got to hit these businesses who are repeatedly not following and compliant. We know who they are because we see them all the time. And again, we're hitting with what's in the charter right now that's not being enforced. It's already in the charter the$200. The council is giving a clear [3:32:50, 3:32:52]: direct of the code enforcement. [3:32:52, 3:32:53]: Go out there. [3:32:53, 3:32:57]: And may enforce this now. That's what this is doing. [3:32:57, 3:33:01]: Well, Mayor, if you will. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. [3:33:01, 3:33:07]: You know, we can talk about fines and don't it doesn't matter if it's five thousand dollars. [3:33:07, 3:33:18]: The main thing we need to look at just with l is we just got about two or three weeks ago about this uh inundated area with trash behind a certain area uh off one thirty. [3:33:19, 3:33:29]: One of the things the city, first you have to fix one thing and you implement another. And I think the one thing we got to implement and give directives to is enforcement. [3:33:29, 3:33:39]: When we say that we're not gonna have those uh uh uh uh uh uh bins toward the street and we still send them toward the street, we that's an enforcement issue. [3:33:39, 3:33:59]: So I think that once we deal with the enforcement issues and what we already have on the books, then if it doesn't correct it, then we can implement. I don't believe in putting more making people spend more when enforcement itself has not been put in place. Even with those 17 trucks, I go up there this Saturday or this Sunday and it's 17. [3:33:59, 3:34:01]: seventeen troops still there. [3:34:01, 3:34:21]: What is the enforcement for that? So we have to come up with what how can we enforce this first? How do we uh uh oversee that enforcement and implement it? And then we see how do we put fines in place? But if we're not enforcing these things and making sure it's happening, a fine is not gonna do it. It's only gonna [3:34:21, 3:34:30]: To put a person in a more of a detriment situation, but we I think we need to enforce this stuff first. It starts there, it starts with enforcement. [3:34:30, 3:34:36]: I appreciate it. The mo the the revised motion has been made. I think that's we we still need a second on that. [3:34:38, 3:34:39]: I do have a question. [3:34:39, 3:34:41]: Okay, what's your question, please? [3:34:41, 3:34:42]: Has the attorneys [3:34:43, 3:34:45]: kind of validated um [3:34:46, 3:34:48]: What Chief Tramer? [3:34:48, 3:34:50]: referred to in the charter. [3:34:51, 3:35:02]: I just for me I wanted to kind of keep them separate. Our fee schedule for residential and a separate fee schedule for commercial. However, [3:35:02, 3:35:05]: Chief Tramer has pointed out in the charter. [3:35:05, 3:35:06]: Um about the minimum. [3:35:07, 3:35:07]: Um [3:35:08, 3:35:09]: Fine amount. [3:35:09, 3:35:13]: I just want that verified or validated by the attorneys. [3:35:13, 3:35:14]: Have they? [3:35:15, 3:35:16]: been consulted with this. [3:35:17, 3:35:18]: What are listening? [3:35:18, 3:35:23]: I can council member, I can I'm happy to look now. Yeah, all this is happening in real time. [3:35:24, 3:35:27]: Okay, we were not consulted about additional problems and fees. [3:35:28, 3:35:29]: Okay. [3:35:30, 3:35:35]: Uh just for your reference, uh Jeremy and Quentin, it's uh chapter eleven. [3:35:36, 3:35:42]: It's uh eleven point one six point zero seven and violations, and that's speaking specifically. [3:35:42, 3:35:47]: to littering. I'm not sure if it addresses the new the the nuisances. [3:35:48, 3:35:52]: Uh the nuisances I think that Mayor Pro Tem was referring to regarding the overgrown grass. [3:35:53, 3:35:55]: Um it it says that [3:35:55, 3:35:59]: Fines may be assessed up to a thousand dollars, but it doesn't specify [3:35:59, 3:36:04]: a minimum fine amount for nuisances. They're in two separate uh code section categories. [3:36:07, 3:36:15]: Thank you, Chief Tramer. Um Mayor Ford, I wanted to ask Mayor Pro Tem, can he add to his motion staff with doing [3:36:15, 3:36:16]: Um [3:36:17, 3:36:20]: further research and that would just include the attorneys. [3:36:20, 3:36:25]: uh validating this and I would certainly second this if need be. [3:36:25, 3:36:27]: Uh certainly I I'd agree to that. [3:36:28, 3:36:29]: Okay. [3:36:29, 3:36:33]: And Ms. Barber, that means you second that motion now? Yes. [3:36:33, 3:36:37]: Okay. And I would like to know no uh the Miss Holliday, you you have everything accurate at this point? [3:36:39, 3:36:41]: W what's the motion, Mayor? [3:36:41, 3:36:46]: That's that's why that's why I'm double checking it with Miss Holiday, make sure she has it everything down, right? [3:36:46, 3:36:57]: Outside, you want me to type the motion? Yes, please. All right. So this is the commercial portion of the fee schedule. And that is for the parking lot litter. [3:36:58, 3:37:04]: First fine to be two hundred dollars, second fine to be five hundred dollars, and then the third fine to be one thousand dollars. [3:37:05, 3:37:10]: Also adding for parking lot maintenance and paving and damages to parking lots. [3:37:11, 3:37:18]: First fine to be two hundred and fifty dollars, second fine to be seven hundred and fifty dollars, and the third find to be fifteen hundred dollars. [3:37:18, 3:37:21]: Then you added overgrown grass. [3:37:21, 3:37:22]: For commercial. [3:37:22, 3:37:29]: First fine to be$200, second fine to be$500, and one, the third fine to be$1,000. [3:37:31, 3:37:37]: And then part of this part of this motion now is to have the staff do some additional research. Is that correct? [3:37:37, 3:37:39]: And consult with legal. [3:37:39, 3:37:47]: And consult with legal. That's correct. Okay. Stand my please. Stand my standby. Uh Mayor Pro Tem, is that is that what you want in your motion? [3:37:47, 3:37:51]: That's accurate. Okay. And Mayor and Councilwoman Barber, you second that motion? [3:37:52, 3:37:52]: Um [3:37:54, 3:37:55]: Question. Sorry. [3:37:56, 3:37:56]: So [3:37:57, 3:37:59]: According to Chief Tramer. [3:37:59, 3:38:00]: The minimum [3:38:00, 3:38:02]: Fine is two hundred dollars. [3:38:02, 3:38:03]: But [3:38:03, 3:38:04]: Um [3:38:05, 3:38:11]: The city clerk just read off some of the fines that began the first event offense with two hundred and fifty dollars. [3:38:11, 3:38:15]: So that goes back to the point that Councilman Blount made. [3:38:15, 3:38:17]: about being excessive. [3:38:18, 3:38:21]: That is why I wanted the attorneys to review. [3:38:21, 3:38:25]: Um in the charter the language that Chief Tramer spoke to. [3:38:25, 3:38:28]: Want to make sure that we are not approving. [3:38:28, 3:38:31]: Excess of five or excess of three here. [3:38:32, 3:38:35]: Okay, l let's address this this way. Let's make them all two hundred dollars then. [3:38:37, 3:38:44]: Okay. The initial fund would be two hundred dollars on on that one instead of two fifty. So we'll we'll do what you said, which is [3:38:44, 3:38:46]: Instead of making that middle one two fifty. [3:38:46, 3:38:49]: We'll make all the initial funds two hundred dollars. [3:38:49, 3:38:52]: In accordance with what Councilwoman Barber said. [3:38:52, 3:38:53]: Can you know? [3:38:54, 3:38:57]: Clarify your motion altogether because [3:38:57, 3:39:05]: Okay, let me restate it once again. Have no problem doing that. This we might get this right before you do it. Stand by. Let me get my motion. [3:39:05, 3:39:09]: The litter on the parking lot will be two hundred dollars on the first defense. [3:39:09, 3:39:13]: Five hundred dollars on the second offense, one thousand dollars on the third offense. [3:39:14, 3:39:17]: The damage to the parking lot will be two hundred dollars on the first defense. [3:39:17, 3:39:20]: Seven hundred and fifty dollars on a second offense. [3:39:20, 3:39:22]: Fifteen hundred dollars on the third of fifth. [3:39:22, 3:39:29]: Overgrown grass will be$200 on the first offense,$500 on the second offense,$1,000 on the third offense. [3:39:31, 3:39:37]: And with the with the with the c provisions to consult legal uh as well uh and staff. [3:39:38, 3:39:42]: Okay. And there and Miss Barber, once again, you were second that motion. Is that correct? [3:39:44, 3:39:46]: Yes. Okay. Mr. Blanc, go ahead, please. [3:39:47, 3:39:52]: May Mayor and I and I and I definitely appreciate the passion of all my colleagues for what we're trying to do. [3:39:53, 3:39:55]: But I believe that in a way to keep it clean. [3:39:56, 3:39:58]: Is that I agree with the two hundred dollars. [3:39:59, 3:40:19]: But when you read the charter, it says it says it can go up to a thousand dollars. I think when you get past a warning and then you get to a fine, then you're dealing now with the courts. Fines are dealing with the courts. And then if you have to go before the judge, let that be the judge determination between that two hundred dollars to [3:40:19, 3:40:22]: to that thousand dollar, what that person's gonna be charged. [3:40:22, 3:40:42]: If it's up to a thousand dollars, that judge may say on that second offense, you're gonna pay a thousand dollars because of whatever. Each situation is gonna have a uniqueness or something attached to it. And I think that that should be left up to the courts to determine what that unique situation may be. So if we say$200 at that point, that we start to find [3:40:42, 3:40:53]: It becomes a court situation. Let the judge determine what that person's gonna end up paying. And you keep the courts and the police department separate from what we're legislating as a counsel. [3:40:55, 3:40:58]: Mayor, if I may, the the provision that the [3:40:58, 3:41:05]: Uh in the code that the chief read is correct. It's eleven point one six point zero seven zero. [3:41:06, 3:41:08]: Which caps the fine at a thousand dollars. [3:41:08, 3:41:16]: And I believe under Georgia law, the most a misdemeanor could be anyway would be a thousand dollars. We need to set that as the the upper limit. [3:41:18, 3:41:21]: Okay. Thank you for that. Miss Barber? [3:41:21, 3:41:32]: Yes, so I believe the reason for setting these fee schedules is not only for um people who may go before the courts or the judge, but there are some [3:41:32, 3:41:36]: who might want to just outright pay their fine and not go to court. [3:41:36, 3:41:38]: And we want to have a schedule put together. [3:41:38, 3:41:39]: Um [3:41:39, 3:41:40]: So that [3:41:41, 3:41:42]: Those funds. [3:41:42, 3:41:51]: or the fees for those funds are captured in a table here. Of course, the judge, it is at his discretion. [3:41:51, 3:42:00]: of whether or not um to impose this fee schedule based on every situation. But at least want to have a period there. [3:42:00, 3:42:05]: Absolutely. And Mayor, based on what the attorneys uh are you done, Miss Markham? Sorry. [3:42:06, 3:42:07]: I'm done. Go ahead. [3:42:07, 3:42:11]: Based on what the attorney just told us on his best legal advice with a [3:42:11, 3:42:14]: with a misdemeanor being kept out. [3:42:14, 3:42:34]: uh at$1,000. The damage to the parking lot fee schedule would be$200 first offense,$750 second offense, and$1,000 third offense instead of$1,500 because that is uh not inside those lines. And the and that's what Mr. Berry has stated that the maximum fine is one [3:42:34, 3:42:35]: One thousand dollars. [3:42:36, 3:42:37]: Note noted. Or [3:42:38, 3:42:48]: May Mayor. Stand by. Stand by, please. All right. So you're making an adjustment to your motion. I would imagine once again that adjustment has been seconded by Miss Barber. Is that correct? [3:42:49, 3:42:58]: I was asking Mayor Pro Tem, is this fee schedule he just recited, is it across the board for residential and commercial? It's for com it's commercial only. [3:42:58, 3:43:13]: need to state that in this motion. This this motion is for commercial only for the damage to the parking lot would be two hundred dollars first offense, seven hundred fifty dollars second offense, and one thousand for commercial entities only. [3:43:15, 3:43:20]: I believe Miss Holliday had that uh Nestle anyway, I I believe. Is that correct? [3:43:23, 3:43:24]: It's all day. [3:43:27, 3:43:36]: Sorry, yes. I'm sorry, I didn't know my um video was off. Yes, I do. So that now that we've captured what the fee schedule is for commercial. [3:43:36, 3:43:41]: What is our fee schedule for residential? Are we adopting what is suggested by staff? [3:43:41, 3:43:43]: Or are we updating that to meet? [3:43:43, 3:43:44]: The charter. [3:43:45, 3:43:48]: Um to comply with the charter with two hundred dollars. [3:43:49, 3:43:50]: Minimum fee. [3:43:51, 3:43:51]: Mm. [3:43:52, 3:44:02]: Well, before we answer that question, do you are you seconding it he made a motion, re he revised his motion. Are you gonna second that revised motion or not? No, because I need to know. [3:44:03, 3:44:09]: This this is cu this is commercial only. It's not related to the residential. We can do a separate one on the residential. [3:44:10, 3:44:15]: to make sure we address the residential piece as well. I suck in this. [3:44:16, 3:44:17]: All right. [3:44:18, 3:44:26]: Mr. Blount, you still have something you wanted to say, sir? May I use it? I'm sorry, I didn't see you, Mr. Thomas. Yeah, I've been I've been holding it for the longest. [3:44:27, 3:44:28]: Okay, I'm sorry about that. [3:44:28, 3:44:31]: Oh sorry, Mr. Blount. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. [3:44:32, 3:44:36]: Uh Mayor Ford, um all of us are over the talk limit. [3:44:36, 3:44:43]: Uh I I move that we we go to the vote, please. I was gonna do that, sir. I got it. I got it. So stand by. [3:44:45, 3:44:47]: Yeah, everything one last comment, Mr. LeBron. [3:44:47, 3:45:03]: What I was gonna say is that what was said by the attorney is is is the fee when it comes to misdemeanors is up to a thousand dollars. Anything over a thousand dollars in the state of Georgia is is beyond a misdemeanor. Anything over twelve months uh jail time is over a misdemeanor. [3:45:03, 3:45:08]: When it says up to a thousand dollars, that's the discretion given to the courts. [3:45:09, 3:45:17]: I believe it should be given to the courts. That's why when you pass away and it says up to a thousand dollars, that discretion is for the courts. [3:45:17, 3:45:17]: All right. [3:45:19, 3:45:23]: All right, so okay. So the motion has been made, it's been second. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:45:24, 3:45:25]: All post. [3:45:27, 3:45:40]: I need you to note the vote, Mayor. Uh there's three three right now. Three uh Mr. Blount, what is your vote? You I abstain, Mayor, because Okay, so it's three zero three zero one. The motion passed, three zero one. All right. Now in reference to residential. [3:45:41, 3:45:45]: And uh we are doing something separate of residential. That was commercial, so something different residential here. [3:45:50, 3:45:54]: Miss Johnson, there's there's something different and residential that you need from us. [3:45:55, 3:45:55]: No. [3:45:55, 3:45:56]: No sé. [3:45:56, 3:45:57]: Okay. [3:45:58, 3:46:03]: So what we passed was commercial residential seems to be fine as as it as it stands. What are that correct? [3:46:04, 3:46:05]: A risk [3:46:05, 3:46:12]: Well, state the residential. It's right now it's fifty dollars, seventy five, a hundred, and one fifty. Are you comfortable with that, councilwoman? [3:46:14, 3:46:17]: No, aren't we supposed to be complying with the code? [3:46:19, 3:46:21]: Everything is two hundred dollars. [3:46:21, 3:46:24]: minimum fee. That's what the code says, right? [3:46:24, 3:46:25]: Am I misunderstanding it? [3:46:27, 3:46:31]: Is it two hundred dollars for the res residential two uh lawyer uh attorneys? [3:46:33, 3:46:39]: Anything that comes up under chapter eleven, the penalty section is just eleven point sixteen point zero seven oh. [3:46:40, 3:46:43]: But that also does and that's what we're trying to look at now. [3:46:43, 3:46:50]: All the littering is covered under 11.16 and that and and that involves littering on public or private. [3:46:51, 3:46:54]: And that also involves littering in [3:46:54, 3:46:55]: public or private property. [3:46:56, 3:46:57]: And so [3:46:57, 3:47:00]: We're looking now for the commercial, but we're trying to [3:47:01, 3:47:04]: Answer y'all's questions while at the same time looking at this. [3:47:04, 3:47:05]: It won't be [3:47:05, 3:47:07]: We have to do that. [3:47:09, 3:47:13]: Mayor, my concern is that I just won't don't want us making [3:47:13, 3:47:20]: uh putting this fee schedule in a place and I agree with councilwoman barber outside the boundaries of our code. [3:47:21, 3:47:27]: of our uh that that we have in our coat because if we do those things can be challenged those things when you find yourself [3:47:27, 3:47:45]: doing something to a resident or business, those are the kind of things that get us in litigation if we are going outside those boundaries. And we have to be careful and cautious when something says up to that we're implementing that direct amount because up to should be the discretion of the courts. [3:47:46, 3:48:04]: All right. So what the we on the commercial side we passed that. So now we're looking to residential. Is there anything different than residential? Anything else that Ms. Johnson, you think you need to add to this conversation to help us with this process? This is your this this is your daily wick here. Um because there, you know, there's some questions about the commercial versus residential. [3:48:04, 3:48:07]: Um the this fee schedule is based on, you know. [3:48:08, 3:48:09]: region wide. [3:48:09, 3:48:29]: Um if we need to go back, if if myself and staff need to go back and take a look at this and work with the attorneys on these fees, then we can do that and bring it back because um the violations and penalties in the code, those amounts are based on conviction and [3:48:29, 3:48:36]: And the judge makes that decision. And I think we just need to make a distinction between what the judge has a max. [3:48:37, 3:48:48]: penalty for violators versus the fee schedule that is for the actual violations that people can just pay the amount, go on and then come into compliance. So [3:48:48, 3:48:51]: If that's the pleasure of the board, just a suggestion. [3:48:52, 3:49:12]: All right, so let me so the commercial has been passed. We set that there right now is residential. So otherwise, if uh you're more than willing, Miss Johnson, if the council wants to delay this to come back further, maybe in another month or so, I guess in this aspect after confirming with the attorneys to make sure that everything is proper on the on the residential side. No certainly. [3:49:12, 3:49:16]: Okay that's what you're suggesting. Okay, so now the the issue would be [3:49:16, 3:49:19]: This should be the whether the council won wants that to occur or not. [3:49:20, 3:49:21]: Yeah, forward. Ms. Barber, go ahead. [3:49:22, 3:49:30]: I motion to approve the suggestion Ms. Johnson just mentioned. [3:49:30, 3:49:31]: About [3:49:32, 3:49:33]: Consulting with the attorneys. [3:49:34, 3:49:36]: Um and bringing us back. [3:49:36, 3:49:37]: Oh [3:49:37, 3:49:38]: A clean people. [3:49:39, 3:49:46]: And make that thirty days and then we can we and and with a t with a time with a deadline and then I'm okay with it. I'll second. [3:49:48, 3:49:49]: Ms. Barber? [3:49:50, 3:49:51]: Okay, thirty days. [3:49:51, 3:49:52]: Second. [3:49:52, 3:49:53]: And it's back in thirty days. [3:49:54, 3:49:55]: All right. [3:49:55, 3:50:02]: And this is dealing with the residential only, is what we're talking about. Okay. All right. So all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:50:04, 3:50:12]: Uh I see Miss uh Mr. Thomas. Mr. Thomas, okay, gotcha. Okay, so uh Mr Mr. Blount, what's your vote, sir? [3:50:13, 3:50:15]: This is the brain of peace schedule back in thirty days. [3:50:15, 3:50:21]: Yes, it is. The the the for residential. For residential. Okay, so you're in favor? [3:50:23, 3:50:31]: You're in favor, Ms. Mill. Okay, so that's that's four. Miss Oliver S for four votes for that. Okay, thank you. We're gonna we're now done with this particular section. [3:50:31, 3:50:34]: We'll move on. Thank you, Mayor. Oh, you're welcome. Thank you. [3:50:35, 3:50:42]: Okay, so number twenty-five, council consideration to approve the vehicle usage policy for the city of Stockbridge Police Department. [3:50:42, 3:50:44]: Uh Chief Traveler, sir, please. [3:50:45, 3:50:50]: Yes, Mayor Council, thank you. Uh as you are aware, we're in the process of um [3:50:50, 3:50:57]: After the first of the year, we will begin recruiting personnel for our police department. We have 53 positions that we still need to recruit for. [3:50:57, 3:51:05]: Chief, stand by a second. Chief, I'm sorry, stand by. And Miss uh uh Miss Johnson, can there you go? Thank you, appreciate it. Thank you. Go ahead, Chief. Go ahead. [3:51:05, 3:51:06]: I'm sorry. [3:51:06, 3:51:06]: Quite chief. [3:51:07, 3:51:16]: Okay, yes, sir. And um one of the things that we're doing is developing some recruitment literature. One of the benefits that we would like to provide to officers that will be seeking to join our department. [3:51:16, 3:51:27]: is the benefit of a take-home vehicle. Um obviously there are a number of benefits for having a take home vehicle, uh many of which are listed in the policy, but I would like to state publicly that some of the benefits include [3:51:28, 3:51:35]: Um, I think first and foremost is just enhanced safety and security in the community, just by having increased visibility and presence of police vehicles. [3:51:36, 3:51:40]: on the streets, roadways, and neighborhoods, it certainly serves as a turrent to crime. [3:51:40, 3:51:41]: Um [3:51:41, 3:51:43]: It also provides a quicker response time. [3:51:44, 3:51:46]: of officers who are assigned those vehicles. [3:51:47, 3:51:51]: Uh it reduces our maintenance costs and it's proven to increase the life expectancy of vehicles. [3:51:51, 3:52:01]: It also allows for the rapid deployment of off-duty personnel in the event that there's an emergency that occurs in the city that necessitates a response of off-duty officers. [3:52:01, 3:52:07]: It also uh enhances accountability by being able to hold an individual officer specifically accountable for an assigned vehicle. [3:52:08, 3:52:12]: And then as I've mentioned before, it is um a a [3:52:13, 3:52:15]: Huge incentive for officers. [3:52:15, 3:52:19]: To maintain employment with our department і so. [3:52:19, 3:52:23]: Uh many of the provisions of this policy uh there are [3:52:23, 3:52:24]: Um [3:52:25, 3:52:28]: They're they're in duplicate of what the city's current uh [3:52:29, 3:52:32]: vehicle policy is. However, there are some additions. [3:52:32, 3:52:35]: Specific to uh law enforcement vehicles. [3:52:35, 3:52:40]: Uh one of the differences is that we're seeking uh council approval for the minimum. [3:52:40, 3:52:48]: Uh, mileage restriction for that vehicle to be 35 miles. So officers that live within a 35 mile radius of the city limits. [3:52:49, 3:52:51]: would be eligible for a take home vehicle. [3:52:51, 3:52:55]: And the reason for the thirty five mile uh limit is [3:52:55, 3:53:02]: We w basically pulled distance from city limits to adjacent counties, and the furthest distance of any of those adjacent counties was thirty-five miles. [3:53:03, 3:53:08]: There is no set standard for take home mileage. It varies from department to department. [3:53:08, 3:53:23]: Um, I know there are um as a matter of fact, all the agencies in Henry County uh do offer a a take home vehicle program and the mileage differs for those agencies. As a point of reference, Henry County's minimum mileage is fifteen miles. [3:53:23, 3:53:24]: From the county. [3:53:24, 3:53:30]: Uh McDonough's is twenty, Hampton's is twenty five, and the city of Locust Grove is thirty-five miles. [3:53:30, 3:53:41]: We would like to remain among the most competitive and uh that's why we seek council's approval for that minimum thirty-five mile take home radius for officers to be eligible for a take home vehicle. [3:53:42, 3:53:42]: Air for [3:53:43, 3:53:43]: Yes, man. [3:53:44, 3:53:51]: I'd like to accept and approve the recommendation as made by Chief Tramer. We certainly want to be competitive. [3:53:52, 3:53:56]: Okay. Mr. Thomas Second Dan. Okay, further discussion. [3:53:57, 3:53:59]: But okay, all in favor, please indicate. [3:54:00, 3:54:04]: All right then, Mr. Blount, did you I didn't see your vote, sir. [3:54:05, 3:54:20]: Okay, so unanimous decision. Thank you very much. All right, we'll move right on. Uh council consideration to approve the purchase of body worn cameras, in-car video cameras, and associated storage costs for the city of Starburst Police Department. Funding source ARPA. [3:54:20, 3:54:21]: Chief Tramor, please. [3:54:22, 3:54:30]: Yes, Mayor and Council, if I could, um, I would like to allow Commander Richard Godfrey to present all these items. Uh Commander Godfrey. [3:54:30, 3:54:40]: uh did most of the research on these and is very familiar with a lot of the technical components. So if the council uh will allow, I'd like to turn this over to uh Commander Godfrey to present. [3:54:40, 3:54:41]: on uh the these items. [3:54:42, 3:54:43]: Okay, go ahead, please. [3:54:49, 3:54:50]: Well, Mr. Godfrey, go right ahead. Commander. [3:55:00, 3:55:03]: Can't hear you. Okay, I can't hear him, uh, Commander. [3:55:10, 3:55:12]: He is not muted, so he may have a problem with his mic. [3:55:13, 3:55:14]: Okay. [3:55:16, 3:55:18]: Okay, might be a problem with your mic there, Commander. [3:55:19, 3:55:23]: How about now? Oh there you go. Al standing. Gotcha. Okay. [3:55:23, 3:55:34]: So before you tonight, sir, is a resolution to approve uh body warn in any car camera systems. We have evaluated several different companies from a company referred to as GTAC. [3:55:34, 3:55:40]: uh Motorola uh watch guard and the one before you tonight is uh axon [3:55:40, 3:55:48]: Uh you most of you may know the company name better as Taser. Uh the name was changed a few years ago to Axon International. [3:55:49, 3:55:56]: So the uh cost factor that you have before you um is uh [3:55:57, 3:56:11]: a breakdown so you can see the total number so the uh body worn camera uh package would be a total for a total of 50 uh body worn cameras and the associated equipment to uh go along with it [3:56:12, 3:56:23]: Um some of the capabilities of these cameras, just like a cell phone has an LTE capability, so it has a a built-in SIM card within the body camera. [3:56:24, 3:56:44]: So when the officer uh is on a call or exits that vehicle, uh let's say a foot chase ensued uh that ended the officer with a quarter mile to a half mile away from the vehicle. And what that built-in SIM car is gonna allow them to do is to be tracked via GPS. So let's say that that officer was injured. [3:56:43, 3:57:03]: And could not get onto the radio, we would be able to track that officer via GPS and be able to locate them then provide uh medical assistance to that officer. Um built into uh the system as well, uh as part of what you're gonna hear in a few minutes with the uh taser program. The taser has a built-in [3:57:03, 3:57:05]: Uh microchip. [3:57:05, 3:57:25]: So when that it is withdrawn from the holster, it automatically activates the body camera. This works in cohesion with the built-in with the N-CAR camera system so that we can program various triggers to activate the body camera as well. So when the officer engages their emergency equipment. [3:57:25, 3:57:26]: Lights and sour. [3:57:26, 3:57:30]: Um when they turn on the uh onboard camera system. [3:57:31, 3:57:39]: When they open the door to exit the vehicle, all of these are built-in triggers to be able to activate the body worn camera. [3:57:39, 3:57:56]: Uh as you all know, body one cameras today are vital. Uh they protect the citizens and they protect the officer against false allegations. Uh so it is imperative that we not only implement the body one camera system, but we implement a camera system. [3:57:56, 3:57:58]: That is on the leading edge of technology. [3:57:58, 3:58:09]: And we all believe at the command staff level that Exxon will provide the leading edge of technology and prevail provide this type of service for many years to come. [3:58:11, 3:58:23]: Appreciate that. I um my initial question, you said 50, I thought, said 50 of these items that you wanted to purchase, but I don't I must have missed it. Did you have a total amount that uh ARPA funds this would this would uh cost? [3:58:24, 3:58:25]: Yes, sir. [3:58:25, 3:58:29]: Just one. Can you share can you share the uh can you share your screen, Commander Godfrey? [3:58:29, 3:58:33]: Shows the summary of the cost for those Yes sir. That's that's what I'm pulling up now. [3:58:49, 3:58:51]: Can everyone see my screen? [3:58:51, 3:58:51]: Yes. [3:58:53, 3:59:13]: So the first uh packet that you're looking at is for the fleet camera system. This is 42 uh in-car camera systems, uh 42 cradle points. What cradle points are is a uh router system that goes in the trunk of the car. So we've all seen little MIFIs or little jet. [3:59:13, 3:59:25]: net packs that are a broadband wireless network uh that you can operate. It's very similar to your wireless system that you would have at home or within like City Hall. [3:59:25, 3:59:41]: And what this allows it to do is to any wireless device within the car, which is the N-CAR camera system, the Body Worn camera system, our records management system that we'll be moving forward with, it allows that to provide network connectivity to all the systems. [3:59:42, 3:59:42]: Um [3:59:44, 3:59:45]: It also has [3:59:46, 3:59:53]: uh a built-in the new system that we're looking at, which will be released in the first quarter of 2022. [3:59:53, 3:59:57]: The front facing camera system also has a built-in license plate reader. [3:59:57, 4:00:07]: So you no longer have to look at that as a separate cost or separate purchase. And it is also integrated within the Axon camera system itself. [4:00:08, 4:00:28]: So as I advance down to the next couple of pages down, you will see the cost for the N-CAR systems. Uh, and this is a five-year program at 471-743-99. And that is for the N-CAR camera systems. Uh, the next uh tab over. [4:00:28, 4:00:48]: You will see the body worn camera systems. These are for the uh 50 body camera systems, comes with the various mounts, uh cables, uh, professional licensing that is needed for this. It comes with uh evidence.com, which is the back-end uh software management system, which is where [4:00:47, 4:00:57]: All the N-Car camera videos, Body One camera videos, uh the taser downloads, all of this will be stored in the backend software of evidence.com. [4:00:59, 4:01:06]: The total cost for the body warm camera system for a five-year program is two thirty-nine five hundred and one cent. [4:01:09, 4:01:14]: Okay. Thank you for that. Uh council, any questions for uh Commander Goffrey here? [4:01:15, 4:01:16]: Yes, um [4:01:16, 4:01:17]: Go ahead, please. [4:01:17, 4:01:18]: Pretty. [4:01:18, 4:01:21]: What was the total cost of the in car system? [4:01:23, 4:01:24]: So let me go back to that for you. [4:01:30, 4:01:35]: Okay, I got it. Four hundred four hundred and seventy one thousand seven forty three ninety nine. [4:01:36, 4:01:36]: Yes, ma'am. [4:01:37, 4:01:38]: Thank you. Um [4:01:39, 4:01:43]: So what it is there a warranty also included in this cost? [4:01:44, 4:01:49]: Yes, ma'am. Everything is warranted against a full replacement for over the five year period. [4:01:49, 4:01:52]: Okay, so it's not a separate cost. [4:01:52, 4:01:55]: No ma'am, it is incor incorporated within this this quote. [4:01:55, 4:02:11]: Thank you. And that is also ac includes accidental damage. So if the officer, if it gets damaged, uh say the body worn camera gets damaged during a struggle or it falls off during a foot pursuit and it's lost, uh, any type of damage at all, it is fully covered and fully replaceable. [4:02:14, 4:02:19]: Fantastic. Any other questions for Commander Goffer? Yeah. Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. [4:02:19, 4:02:25]: Yes, sir. Thank you, sir, for your presentation. Oh, I have a question about the technology. [4:02:25, 4:02:26]: Yeah, it's still. [4:02:26, 4:02:27]: So [4:02:27, 4:02:34]: There's uh systems apparently in the past where you know, we're dealing with social justice and where we are in America right now. So [4:02:35, 4:02:41]: These cameras, do the officers have the ability to turn them all on and off, or are they on a hundred percent of the time? [4:02:42, 4:02:54]: They are on. The officer will have the ability, just like any technology of being able to turn it off. However, our our policy will dictate that the camera remains on as long as they're engaging with the citizen. [4:02:56, 4:02:58]: Okay, so the policy will be [4:02:58, 4:03:01]: As long as they're engaging with a citizen at any time that [4:03:02, 4:03:06]: It so is there a technology where the camera can't be turned off or no? [4:03:07, 4:03:25]: No, sir. Most uh all the body cameras that we have evaluated have the ability of being able to turn it off. So it it falls back to a policy. And within that policy is going to require supervision to spot check a certain percentage of those videos to make sure that the officers are in compliance. [4:03:26, 4:03:31]: And and if I could, just to the technology mayor pro tem, one of the things I want to share with you, it's not yet [4:03:32, 4:03:35]: Um it's not yet available, but there is discussion with this company that [4:03:36, 4:03:41]: uh it has the capability to uh recognize uh it's got the voice analytics. [4:03:42, 4:03:49]: So uh future technology, if there's any abusive language or anything that's being said by the officer, it can send. [4:03:50, 4:03:57]: Or should be able to send in the future an alert to the supervisors to review that incident so that we have enhanced capability with our officers. So if they're [4:03:58, 4:04:10]: you know, i is is some sort of expletives or or derogatory profane language, then it would cue those things up for supervisory to review for us to be able to look at those contextually to see what um [4:04:10, 4:04:30]: uh what what's what's happening in that interaction. And obviously because of privacy concerns, you can't record the officer twenty four seven. I mean, they've got to go to the restroom and do a lot of personal things and they'll have access to uh confidential information. And so the the capability to turn on and off has to be there. However, again by our policy, uh it will [4:04:30, 4:04:31]: predicate. [4:04:31, 4:04:44]: when they're to turn it on and off and we will be checking for that. But another thing too is that we will be implementing triggers too. So that when the officer pulls their weapon from their holster, it will automatically activate their body camera. [4:04:44, 4:04:48]: when they turn their taser on, it will automatically activate their body camera. [4:04:48, 4:04:58]: So uh this system's very robust. It's at the forefront of the technology. And um I think that in terms of accountability, this is this is probably the best option out there. [4:04:58, 4:05:12]: And to piggyback on the chief's comment on that technology, uh understand that this technology is being released next year. Uh this technology will be considered as a firmware update and there will be no additional cost to the city. [4:05:13, 4:05:14]: Thank you. [4:05:15, 4:05:17]: Uh Councilwoman Barber, go ahead, please. [4:05:18, 4:05:30]: I was going to ask about the in-car systems. I know that there's um your request for uh a quantity of 50 of the body worn cameras, but what about the in-car systems? [4:05:31, 4:05:33]: How many of the vehicles will be [4:05:34, 4:05:37]: fit it with this in your proposal right here. [4:05:37, 4:05:48]: So all of the cars on patrol to include the ones we will be identified for crime scene technicians will all be equipped with in-car cameras. [4:05:50, 4:05:50]: Okay. [4:05:51, 4:05:55]: But with this figure of four hundred and seventy one thousand seven hundred and forty three [4:05:56, 4:05:57]: Towers. [4:05:59, 4:06:04]: All of the vehicles is it sixty-two vehicles, Chief Tramer? I think [4:06:04, 4:06:11]: There's sixty sixty vehicles actually. So forty-two will be equipped as Commander Gonfrey had said. Those will be all the marked patrol vehicles. [4:06:11, 4:06:16]: Um the unmarked vehicles, uh the vehicles detectives will be using in in [4:06:16, 4:06:19]: Command staff will not have those camera systems. [4:06:19, 4:06:23]: Because by law they are not supposed to be used for traffic enforcement. [4:06:23, 4:06:31]: So we really and they won't be set up for prisoner transport. So the need for those uh does not exist beyond the uh patrol vehicle. [4:06:31, 4:06:35]: We could obviously, you know, in include those, but I don't think that it would be worth the cost. [4:06:35, 4:06:40]: And what that breaks down to is about eleven thousand two hundred and thirty dollars per vehicle. [4:06:40, 4:06:45]: for that system. And again, this is cutting edge technology with these cameras. [4:06:45, 4:06:50]: It has the ability to automatically it reads all the license plates in front of the officers. [4:06:50, 4:06:59]: So if there's a stolen vehicle, if there's a wanted person, if there's a missing person, it's scanning all this information and it's giving that information right back to the officer immediately. [4:07:00, 4:07:01]: Thank you. [4:07:01, 4:07:02]: Therefore, another [4:07:02, 4:07:22]: Another prime reason why we're looking at Axon as well. Um, we're gonna be looking at additional later on, additional cameras, stationary cameras uh around the city. Uh Axon being the only company right now that partners with another company called Flock. I don't know if you have anybody heard of that, but a lot of city municipalities. [4:07:22, 4:07:42]: These counties and even statewide are implementing these cameras. And what they're doing is they're running these tags continuously as vehicles are entering the city. So for we're looking for suspended drivers, we're looking for people who have outstanding warrants tagged against the vehicle. So [4:07:42, 4:07:51]: Uh again, we're trying to leverage all the different various technologies that we can to enhance uh the city uh police department. [4:07:53, 4:07:53]: Yeah. [4:07:54, 4:07:57]: All right, uh Councilman uh Blount, go ahead, please. [4:07:58, 4:08:14]: Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um, just to be clear, this these amounts, it said for five years. So this this the one time amount on both of these, which is about a little over seven hundred thousand dollars. That seven hundred thousand dollars that the one time amount is at the residual amount for five years. [4:08:15, 4:08:22]: That is a one time amount covering the the five years. And we can we can choose to remain in that equipment at that time, or we can look at [4:08:23, 4:08:27]: upgrading to the newest technology that may be available at that time. [4:08:27, 4:08:33]: How often does the technology advances? Because if we're locking in for five years. [4:08:33, 4:08:45]: Where will we find ourselves in an advancement of because you know our technology can, you know, I just want to know how, how, how quickly does that technology advance uh in this field? [4:08:45, 4:09:05]: Obviously, you know, there's no way for us to speak on what may come out in the next two years. Uh, because as we've seen, technology is changing sometimes weekly. Uh, but one of the primary reasons why we went with this company is because for right now, this is the latest and greatest technology that is available on the market for incarnation. [4:09:05, 4:09:12]: car cameras uh and body warm cameras. And again, the the we're so advanced in the in-car camera system. [4:09:12, 4:09:13]: That the [4:09:14, 4:09:18]: system that the the front facing camera will be incorporating [4:09:18, 4:09:38]: a license plate reader, which won't even be available until first quarter of next year. Now they will be on our cars based on the time that they're outfitted, but that is technology that is hasn't even hit the market. So we're we're purchasing technology that will be available for us, but it's not available for anybody else right now. [4:09:38, 4:09:46]: Okay. And the other thing, if if Councilman Blount to your point, if I could just inject for a moment in in in uh Commander Godfrey, uh correct me if I'm wrong. [4:09:46, 4:09:55]: that this system with the body worn devices includes a an an upgrade uh two, three years into the thing. So basically they would [4:09:55, 4:09:58]: They would upgrade this system and we would get new cameras. [4:09:59, 4:10:01]: two or three years into the contract. Is that correct? [4:10:01, 4:10:11]: Yeah, for the body worn cameras, we would have what's referred to as a refresh after two and a half years. So if Exxon does change the technology of their camera. [4:10:11, 4:10:18]: uh of the body one camera within two and a half years, we would get the upgraded system for the remaining two and a half years. [4:10:18, 4:10:32]: Okay. So we we do get one upgrade. Uh are we dealing directly with Ax Axon or are we dealing through uh a third entity? Are we dealing directly with Axon? Yes, sir. We're dealing directly with Axon on this purchase. [4:10:33, 4:10:37]: Okay, good. Uh great job, guys. Thanks a lot. Yes, sir. [4:10:37, 4:10:39]: Okay, if they're not the yes, my Miss Barber. [4:10:41, 4:10:46]: I was just gonna say you you don't you don't see me? I'm sorry, Mr. Thomas. I didn't see you. Go ahead, sir. [4:10:48, 4:11:01]: Go go ahead, Miss Bar. I just want to know, do you see me? Because I've been holding my hand up all night and you see Well, I have s I have to keep rotating back and forth. My screen only has six of you, so I have to re rotate back and forth. And I've been doing that. Now missed go ahead. If you want Miss Barber to go, she can go. [4:11:02, 4:11:09]: Okay. I I was gonna move to approve so we can go on because you know we're talking five or six time on the subject. So I'm I'm just trying to [4:11:10, 4:11:11]: I mean, you're trying to move us along. [4:11:11, 4:11:13]: Are you to uh [4:11:13, 4:11:15]: Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [4:11:15, 4:11:18]: That's exactly what I was gonna do. I was gonna make a motion. [4:11:18, 4:11:20]: Okay. Make a motion. That's great. [4:11:20, 4:11:40]: Approve, the purchase of body worn cameras, in-car video cameras, and associated storage costs for the City of Stockbridge Police Department, the funding source ARPA in the amount of seven hundred eleven thousand two hundred and forty-three dollars and ninety-nine cents. That is the total, correct? [4:11:40, 4:11:41]: Okay. [4:11:42, 4:11:42]: Okay. [4:11:42, 4:11:48]: I'm sorry, we're off what I'm sorry, we're off one cent. It's seven hundred and eleven thousand two hundred and forty four dollars even. [4:11:49, 4:11:49]: Okay. Yeah. [4:11:51, 4:11:57]: Okay. Seven hundred eleven thousand two hundred and forty-three dollars, uh forty four dollars. [4:11:58, 4:12:09]: Right. I do. Okay. Miss uh Barber made a motion. Mayor Pro Temp second that motion. All in favor of motion, please indicate. [4:12:10, 4:12:21]: Okay, and I would imagine Mr. Blount, you will you approve that as well. Okay, good deal. Thank you very much. All right. So now it's decision on that on that aspect. Thank you. [4:12:23, 4:12:28]: Council consideration to approve and the purchase of mobile in-car police radios. [4:12:29, 4:12:31]: For the C stop Bridge Police Department funding source ARPA. [4:12:32, 4:12:34]: Mr. uh Chief Tramor, please. [4:12:36, 4:12:38]: Mayor Godfrey, can you pull up those quotes, please? [4:12:45, 4:12:47]: Thank you. And if you would uh go ahead with that, uh sir. [4:12:48, 4:13:08]: So in addition to uh the body worn in-car camera systems before you tonight, we also have a requisition to purchase for your approval uh to purchase both uh portable and in-car radios um from Loudoun Communications, which is the authorized dealer for uh Harris 3 uh radio. [4:13:08, 4:13:17]: This is the same system that Henry County, as well as all the other city municipalities, use in Henry County. They are also on state contract. [4:13:19, 4:13:19]: Okay. [4:13:20, 4:13:24]: Questions for Chief uh Godfrey uh excuse me, Commander Goffery. [4:13:24, 4:13:26]: Uh Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [4:13:27, 4:13:33]: Um well this is in reference to the last item and this one as well. I wanted to ask. [4:13:34, 4:13:35]: So [4:13:39, 4:13:43]: I guess we need to know what the balance is. [4:13:44, 4:13:47]: And I can I can speak to that um uh councilwoman barber. [4:13:48, 4:13:57]: Um I sat down with Mr. Aaron and we looked at uh Mr. Aaron and Mr. Wiggins and I looked at public works projects and police projects. We s we sat down and we looked at things and [4:13:57, 4:14:02]: And um we anticipated from the police department standpoint for [4:14:02, 4:14:12]: Um future purchases about two million dollars. And we have before you tonight about a million and a half of that from ARPA funding. Currently there's about one point four million in [4:14:12, 4:14:18]: the ARPA fund balance at the moment, but we will get the other five and a half million in April. [4:14:19, 4:14:29]: Uh we what we didn't mention on the uh on the axon, the NCAR body worn, uh the NCAR and the body worn cameras as well as the taser proposal that was submit to you later this evening. [4:14:29, 4:14:31]: is that those um [4:14:31, 4:14:37]: Those items will not be the contract states, those items payments not due until May twenty twenty two. [4:14:37, 4:14:44]: So we will have the next round of ARPA funding in for uh those purchases before those purchases are due. [4:14:44, 4:14:50]: But we have uh w we have currently used three point one million. [4:14:51, 4:14:53]: for the vehicles and associated equipment. [4:14:53, 4:14:58]: uh we'll be using one point five million for these purchases and ARPA funding. [4:14:58, 4:15:00]: Which is uh four point six. [4:15:00, 4:15:04]: million of the eleven million plus that the city [4:15:04, 4:15:05]: as received. [4:15:06, 4:15:06]: Um [4:15:07, 4:15:09]: We've used, I think, um [4:15:09, 4:15:29]: roughly a million from public work so it puts us at about 5.6. So we've essentially will have used about one disbursement, which leaves us about 5.6 million in ARPA funding available for future purposes in the future. That does not include the extra two million that we may get by virtue of the grant that Mr. Aaron had applied for. [4:15:29, 4:15:32]: So that could go up to seven. [4:15:32, 4:15:33]: Point. [4:15:33, 4:15:44]: uh five seven point six million in additional ARPA funding for future purpose purchases, whether they be public safety or public works or whatever else the council deems uh appropriate. [4:15:45, 4:15:49]: Thank you for that, Chief Trainer. Um, I have one more follow-up question. [4:15:50, 4:15:55]: So you mentioned that this particular item we're piggybacking off of a state contract. [4:15:56, 4:16:03]: There's Harris Harris is on state contract. These radios are on state contract. Um that was sourced in the documents. [4:16:03, 4:16:08]: In Loudoun communication, we have a sole source letter. They are the sole provider of this equipment in the state of Georgia. [4:16:09, 4:16:10]: Thank you for that. [4:16:10, 4:16:12]: And the last item, are we pay backing? [4:16:13, 4:16:14]: Off the state contract correct. [4:16:16, 4:16:16]: Yeah. [4:16:17, 4:16:18]: Which item? [4:16:18, 4:16:20]: Um that's the body worn cameras. [4:16:22, 4:16:24]: Axon is also on state contract, yes, ma'am. [4:16:25, 4:16:26]: Thank you very much. [4:16:26, 4:16:28]: Um the other thing is [4:16:28, 4:16:31]: Most of these items, I know that there are grants out there. [4:16:32, 4:16:36]: But we're having to use ARPA because we have no one at the table. [4:16:37, 4:16:39]: to search for those grants. [4:16:40, 4:16:45]: No, you're you're no you're you're absolutely right. I have a good friend of mine that uh she's actually [4:16:46, 4:16:50]: She's um she's a grants administrator for the Rockdale County Sheriff's Office. [4:16:50, 4:17:04]: As a point as a point of reference, in the last year she's procured two million dollars in additional funding for the Rockdale County Sheriff's Office. This is exactly what I've been talking about. I hope my councilmates are paying attention. We're spending ARPA funds. [4:17:05, 4:17:06]: Of course that's [4:17:06, 4:17:09]: Not money out of our general fund. [4:17:09, 4:17:11]: But if we had another [4:17:11, 4:17:12]: Funding source [4:17:13, 4:17:14]: That a [4:17:14, 4:17:15]: Great. [4:17:15, 4:17:16]: Person [4:17:16, 4:17:20]: could have obtained from us, we wouldn't have to even use the ARPA funds. [4:17:21, 4:17:23]: That is why we need. [4:17:23, 4:17:26]: A grants administrator or [4:17:26, 4:17:39]: Someone at the table going after these grants. That's all. Um, if there are no other comments, I'd make a motion to approve uh this item at the recommendation of our chief and Mr. Commander Godfrey. [4:17:40, 4:17:40]: Second. [4:17:41, 4:17:45]: And Miraportem second that uh Mr. Thomas, you're unmuted. Do you have a comment, sir? [4:17:46, 4:17:48]: Uh I was just going to second. [4:17:49, 4:17:49]: Okay. [4:17:50, 4:17:51]: All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [4:17:53, 4:18:02]: All right, and uh and I believe uh Mr. Blount moved a stepped away for a minute. So anyway, to the pass three, three zero zero. [4:18:02, 4:18:10]: Yes, ma'am. Uh we were good. That was one of the items where they were gonna state the total so that we could put it on the record. [4:18:11, 4:18:11]: Uh. [4:18:11, 4:18:12]: All right. [4:18:13, 4:18:20]: For the radio system, the total amount for the radio system is six hundred and eleven thousand seven hundred and thirty six dollars. [4:18:21, 4:18:31]: All right, thank you. Out of opera funds. Okay. Good good catch. All right. Uh I'm sorry. Can you repeat that again, Commander Gosper? [4:18:31, 4:18:35]: Yes, ma'am, six hundred and eleven thousand seven hundred and thirty six dollars. [4:18:36, 4:18:36]: Thank you. [4:18:38, 4:18:53]: The uh council consideration to approve the purchase of remote control spotlights for the city of Stoppers Police Department patrol vehicles in amount of thirty-seven thousand five hundred eighty-nine dollars and twenty-six cents. Funding sources, ARPA, Chief, please. [4:18:56, 4:18:58]: Uh we had yes, Miss Barber. [4:19:00, 4:19:05]: Um no, I just wanted to ask um Chief Tramer. [4:19:06, 4:19:11]: I know that we need all of these items on order now. We don't want to wait until [4:19:11, 4:19:17]: you know, July first and order some of these items. I know they're critical in establishing the police department. [4:19:18, 4:19:27]: Is any of them able to just hold off at least for a month so we get a grant writer or someone to I'm just asking. [4:19:29, 4:19:40]: Yeah, I think it would take longer than a a month to even by the time that we procured a grant writer and we got this to be able to secure grants and enough time for that. The good thing is is I wanted to mention that that [4:19:40, 4:19:50]: In the upcoming year, the current administration anticipates a a a a large sum, multi millions dollars in funding uh through the Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grant. [4:19:50, 4:20:09]: Where we will hopefully be able to hire officers, we'll be able to purchase equipment. And so we obviously would want to get somebody to focus on those things right away. Uh there will be a lot of future opportunities that we can use to offset police department expenses. Uh, but I think that that based on the time restraints we have right now, that wouldn't be a feasible option. [4:20:10, 4:20:11]: Thank you, sir. [4:20:12, 4:20:19]: Go ahead, tree uh chief, with your explanation about the uh your explanation about these uh remote control spotlights needed. [4:20:22, 4:20:23]: So uh [4:20:23, 4:20:31]: Commander Godfrey, I'll take this one and I'll leave the next one to you, sir. So essentially what happens is you all know we were able to source some vehicles. [4:20:31, 4:20:38]: uh that put us in a good position to be able to acquire vehicles in the time needed uh for police department rollout. [4:20:38, 4:20:42]: Now one of the things we did not notice until after we had procured the vehicles. [4:20:43, 4:20:47]: You see the the manufacturer goes in and selects the equipment on those vehicles. [4:20:47, 4:20:52]: So certain equipment specifications have been selected on those vehicles. [4:20:52, 4:20:57]: Uh before we weighed in on that, these vehicles had been manufactured without spotlights. [4:20:57, 4:21:16]: Uh as you know, spotlights are essential piece of equipment, especially on a patrol vehicle. So we're in a situation now where we have to uh retrofit those vehicles with the spotlights. We did not um we did not know that at the beginning, but essentially what that comes down to is the cost of retrofitting uh the 42 patrol vehicles. [4:21:17, 4:21:22]: With spotlights to include labor is thirty seven thousand five hundred and eighty nine dollars and twenty six cents. [4:21:23, 4:21:25]: Uh so we're seeking uh [4:21:25, 4:21:26]: Council approval. [4:21:27, 4:21:31]: for that purchase to be able to equip those patrol vehicles with the spotlights. [4:21:32, 4:21:37]: Okay. Uh yeah, there's a uh this loud and communication is still up. Do you still need that up, sir? [4:21:40, 4:21:42]: Commander Godfrey, can you cue the next quote there, sir? [4:21:43, 4:21:43]: Yeah. [4:21:44, 4:21:48]: Thank you. Any questions for um Chief Tremor about the spotlights? [4:21:55, 4:22:00]: Okay, thank you, sir. Any questions, concern? And if not, I need a motion to accept the proposal. [4:22:02, 4:22:05]: Mayor board, I'm I move to approve. [4:22:05, 4:22:07]: Okay, thank you. Is there a second? [4:22:07, 4:22:12]: Ms. Barber seconds that any further discussion? And if not, all in favor, please indicate. [4:22:14, 4:22:16]: Okay, and Mr. Blount. [4:22:16, 4:22:17]: Your vote, sir. [4:22:19, 4:22:23]: All right, uh three of it it passes three zero. [4:22:24, 4:22:37]: Okay. And uh on that note, uh, we got uh the next thing would be council consideration for the 56 tasers, if I have the number right. Um and uh is that you chief that's gonna uh talk about that? [4:22:37, 4:22:40]: Commander Godfrey has this. Go ahead, sir. Okay. Appreciate it. [4:22:42, 4:22:45]: You bear with me just one minute. I'm trying to uh [4:22:46, 4:22:49]: Locate the uh updated taser quote. [4:22:49, 4:22:50]: Okay. [4:22:52, 4:23:08]: And I will say I appreciate you all adding this to the agenda. Uh we just recently got the quote from the uh vendor. And uh the reason we wanted to add this is because the price goes up by 10.7% for 2022. So we wanted to take advantage of this year's pricing. It's gonna save us about$37,000. [4:23:10, 4:23:12]: Okay, great. Appreciate that. [4:23:30, 4:23:31]: Okay. [4:23:31, 4:23:33]: Okay, so before you is the uh [4:23:33, 4:23:35]: Quote for um [4:23:36, 4:23:38]: The Tasers that the chief just spoke about. [4:23:39, 4:23:47]: Uh it is for a a total of 50. Uh I'm sorry, that's a body camera. Excuse me, just wanna [4:24:05, 4:24:08]: You can see your documents in your recent is the third. [4:24:09, 4:24:12]: The third document in your file. [4:24:13, 4:24:16]: It says Stockbridge Police Department Taser seven quote. [4:24:16, 4:24:18]: Is that what you're trying to show us? [4:24:19, 4:24:21]: Yes, ma'am, I'm trying to get back to that one. [4:24:28, 4:24:34]: Commander Godfrey, if you can't get it pulled up, I can I can pull it up here. I've got it queued on my end if you're having a hard time finding it. [4:24:35, 4:24:37]: Yes, sir, it's not pulling up for some reason. [4:24:37, 4:24:41]: Okay, so why don't you stop sharing your screen and I'll pull this up. Okay. [4:24:53, 4:24:54]: Did it stop? [4:24:54, 4:24:56]: No. No, your screen's still low. Okay. [4:25:09, 4:25:11]: It's not releasing for some reason. [4:25:32, 4:25:34]: Are there okay, there we go. [4:25:34, 4:25:36]: There we go. All right. [4:25:38, 4:25:40]: Let me see here. Council, can you see my screen? [4:25:41, 4:25:42]: Yes, we can, sir. [4:25:42, 4:25:47]: Okay. So I'll go down here and this is the correct uh this is the correct quote. [4:25:52, 4:25:57]: Can you zoom into that? I can't read that. Please. [4:26:00, 4:26:01]: Thank you. [4:26:05, 4:26:07]: Who who wants to explain this, please? [4:26:08, 4:26:11]: Chief, can you go down a little uh next page, please? [4:26:14, 4:26:34]: So this is for 56 um taser X7s, which is the latest uh taser uh that has been released by Axon. Uh if you don't know, uh Taser is a uh less lethal option. Um what this device is is to do is when deployed, is just [4:26:33, 4:26:53]: Just simply incapacitate the individual without causing permanent harm. This is a situation where we've all seen the negativity associated with tasers over the years. But one of the criteria that we're being [4:26:53, 4:26:59]: that we're going to implement is number one, uh the taser color itself is going to be yellow. [4:26:59, 4:27:19]: Uh other departments have utilized a black and color uh taser, which unfortunately mirrors uh the same as a as a sidearm. It is also going to be required under policy to be a cross-draw. So in other words, if the officer's firearm is carried on the right side, uh he or she will be a force to do a cross draw. [4:27:19, 4:27:34]: in front of them and to the opposite side of the body to draw the taser. That becomes part of muscle memory and that forces them to be mindful of what they're drawing based on the circumstances provided. [4:27:34, 4:27:53]: Uh but again, this is also a five-year uh comprehensive term contract. Uh these tasers are under a complete warranty during that five-year period. Uh we are also uh that also comes with all the holsters associated to carry the the uh tasers within there. [4:27:54, 4:28:14]: Uh it comes with um cartridges, uh life cartridges, as well as training cartridges. Uh it is provided a training suit, which is referred to as the HALT suit, as well as rugged uh targets and target frames uh for practice and annual qualifications for that. It also includes five instructions. [4:28:14, 4:28:24]: instructor uh vouchers so that we can have personnel put through uh their instructor training class so that they can come back and train our own personnel. [4:28:28, 4:28:29]: Get on to the next page, sir. [4:28:36, 4:28:36]: Mm. [4:28:40, 4:28:54]: So with this new technology, what the cartridge is allowed to do is you can allow two separate cartridges to be carried within the device. So let's say you have two assailants. So you're able to deploy uh [4:28:54, 4:28:58]: the cartridge or the the prongs into one assailant. [4:28:58, 4:29:00]: And also into a separate assailant. [4:29:01, 4:29:18]: So you also have the capability of carrying long range and short range uh cartridges. So let's say you have one person that's six feet away, you will be able to deploy uh the short range cartridge and you may have another seal up that's 12 feet away. [4:29:18, 4:29:36]: So these are indicated by different color lights. When you turn the taser on, one is in red color and one is in green color to identify uh the differences of of the cartridges so that the officer knows through muscle memory and training of which one he or she is deploying. [4:29:42, 4:30:02]: Uh this system also includes docking stations. So the you'll be able to walk in and and and maintain uh fresh batteries uh for the tasers. Uh we'll be able to download so as a uh taser is deployed as part of the internal investigation for use of force we'll [4:30:02, 4:30:12]: be able to download that information into evidence.com to ensure the effectiveness of the taser and to make sure that the officer is within compliance of departmental policy. [4:30:18, 4:30:19]: You could get answer. [4:30:22, 4:30:25]: The rest of this is just a breakdown of the um [4:30:26, 4:30:29]: a breakdown of the pricing and I'm gonna have to flip the screen here for you, but [4:30:30, 4:30:31]: It just has the um [4:30:31, 4:30:33]: The cost, the total cost. [4:30:36, 4:30:38]: What is the funding source of this? [4:30:39, 4:30:39]: ARPA. [4:30:47, 4:30:50]: Okay, uh is that is it you're completed with your presentation? [4:30:53, 4:30:53]: Yes, sir. [4:30:53, 4:30:58]: Okay. Any questions, counsel you have for Commander Goffrey or Chief Tremor? [4:31:00, 4:31:02]: Any questions? Well go ahead, please. [4:31:02, 4:31:07]: Do you have a question? So this is a five year agreement, did you say? [4:31:08, 4:31:08]: Yes, ma'am. [4:31:10, 4:31:10]: Okay. [4:31:11, 4:31:15]: We're we're we're paying it up front. We're not we're not you you can [4:31:16, 4:31:18]: This is broken down to show if you were to you were to [4:31:18, 4:31:27]: uh enter into a a five year payment plan. And uh what we would like to do is just pay this up front because we would be responsible then. [4:31:27, 4:31:35]: for putting within our budget, you know, thirty-five thousand dollars a year um to to fund this. So we'd just rather pay for it up front for the five years. [4:31:36, 4:31:37]: Um [4:31:38, 4:31:41]: And it's thirty five thousand dollars per year. [4:31:41, 4:31:42]: Mm-hmm. [4:31:48, 4:31:49]: So we just approved the budget. [4:31:50, 4:31:52]: For twenty twenty two. [4:31:54, 4:31:55]: D this is Arbor Funds, I thought. [4:31:56, 4:31:56]: Oh. [4:31:56, 4:31:57]: It is. [4:31:57, 4:31:59]: Gotcha. Thank you. Thank you. [4:32:00, 4:32:00]: Um [4:32:05, 4:32:09]: Is this also another state funded or state piggyback contract? [4:32:09, 4:32:13]: Yes, ma'am, because this is a product of axon. [4:32:13, 4:32:16]: It all falls under the umbrella of the under the state contract. [4:32:16, 4:32:17]: Thank you. [4:32:19, 4:32:28]: And for and furthermore, there's a sole source that accompanies this as well. This is proprietary technology, nobody else has it, so we can't acquire it from any place else. Right. Thank you for that too. [4:32:29, 4:32:29]: Yeah. [4:32:30, 4:32:31]: Any other questions, Council? [4:32:34, 4:32:37]: If no other questions, I need a motion to accept this proposal, please. [4:32:40, 4:32:41]: Is there a motion? [4:32:42, 4:32:42]: Promo. [4:32:43, 4:32:45]: Is there a second? Mr. Alzheimer's, is there a second? [4:32:47, 4:32:49]: Miss Barber seconds the motion. [4:32:50, 4:32:51]: All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [4:32:52, 4:32:52]: Yeah. [4:32:52, 4:32:55]: Mayor Ford, I do have one more question. [4:32:55, 4:32:57]: Okay, okay. What's your question, please? [4:32:59, 4:33:00]: The total cost is [4:33:00, 4:33:01]: The [4:33:01, 4:33:04]: One hundred and seventy six thousand one ninety eight. [4:33:04, 4:33:05]: Thirty nine, correct. [4:33:06, 4:33:06]: Thank you. [4:33:07, 4:33:08]: Okay. [4:33:08, 4:33:13]: I'm ready to vote. Are any other questions? And if not, all in favor of motion, please indicate. [4:33:15, 4:33:30]: Okay. Okay. Uh okay, I have the three. It passes with three. And uh Mr. Blount did not uh vote on that one as well. Okay, thank you for that. And I'm sorry. [4:33:31, 4:33:34]: I'll I'll in the next one actually is uh dealing with um [4:33:35, 4:33:38]: Funding, ARPA funding for the employees in in reference to um [4:33:39, 4:33:50]: the employees and uh some type of pay incentive which was actually brought forward uh earlier uh today by uh mr Blount. Um mr. Blount are you available? [4:33:55, 4:34:13]: All right, uh Okay, Council, what are your desires here? You uh we we brought this forward for discussion purposes. Yes, to okay, you want to take charge of this mayorpotin? What do I what do you want to say, sir? Yeah, I think this is a very worth I'm sorry, I'm back in here. I'm sorry. Forget it. Okay. Hi Ms. Blount. [4:34:14, 4:34:14]: That's great. [4:34:15, 4:34:21]: We're we're talk we're talking in reference to the item you brought forward about additional funding, upper funding for the employees. [4:34:23, 4:34:25]: You wanted to just have lead this discussion? [4:34:30, 4:34:34]: Mayor Ford, would you ask um Commander Godfrey to remove his document? [4:34:35, 4:34:36]: Yep, he heard you. Um [4:34:37, 4:34:41]: Actually I thought uh was that the chief chief that was you did okay, thank you. There you go. [4:34:43, 4:34:44]: There's a Blount. [4:34:45, 4:34:45]: Yes, sir. [4:34:46, 4:34:48]: Yeah, I'm sorry, forgive me, may I [4:34:48, 4:34:53]: was in the middle of something real. Yeah, the the I've seen uh several cities and um [4:34:53, 4:35:01]: And I talked to several council members of different cities, and uh and as you all have probably seen in the news that they [4:35:01, 4:35:04]: With the uh discussions going on with the county. [4:35:05, 4:35:09]: I think that with what's going on with uh this pandemic and the [4:35:10, 4:35:11]: Hardships, a lot of the um [4:35:13, 4:35:24]: uh citizens the stop bridge is taken. I think that one of the steps that we could show our employees is that uh we can give an incentive. Uh some of the cities are given incentives for vaccinations, but [4:35:25, 4:35:32]: When you talk about uh five hundred dollars a sending from opera funds to those uh to the employees for however the council deems to do it. [4:35:33, 4:35:53]: uh and 250 for uh part-time employees, however we deem to do it, uh it's it's it becomes a fraction of a portion of what we're getting in APA funds. And I think it gives it sings a signal to those uh uh all of our employees to not only get vaccinated but you know to stand with the city as we [4:35:53, 4:36:01]: We stay with them throughout all this that that that they're endured. I know the gas prices are high. Uh we're right here at the holiday season. I just think uh [4:36:01, 4:36:10]: a lot of expenses that that they incurred have ha are incurred and I and I agree with uh Mr. Alexander that we was uh blessed to to not have to lay anybody off. [4:36:11, 4:36:16]: City of Stockbury has really been blessed in those areas and I just thought that this would be something that we could. [4:36:16, 4:36:29]: Knowing that that we're getting over$11 million in and my understanding that we have a uh we're applying for even more funding is that this would be just a small portion to us uh to our employees would be which would be less than uh [4:36:30, 4:36:33]: Fifty thousand less than fifty thousand dollars because we uh [4:36:33, 4:36:41]: Uh only have about eighty something uh employees in the total. So I just something I just want to uh kind of go over with the uh c my colleagues and see what they thought about it. [4:36:42, 4:36:47]: All right. Well uh actually Councilman Barber raised her hand initially. Now you have some comments, ma'am? [4:36:50, 4:36:55]: Yes, I do support um tasking um [4:36:55, 4:36:58]: Staff with doing the research on [4:36:58, 4:37:04]: um offering an incentive for uh vaccinations or booster shots. [4:37:04, 4:37:12]: ARPA funda it ARPA funding is specific. Um the parameters in which we can use it. [4:37:13, 4:37:19]: specific. So I'm not sure that funding source um will cover um [4:37:20, 4:37:26]: Cost of living increase as Councilman Blount mentioned, but certainly we can use it. [4:37:26, 4:37:27]: To [4:37:27, 4:37:28]: Um [4:37:28, 4:37:31]: kind of encourage staff to [4:37:31, 4:37:33]: of being vaccinated. [4:37:33, 4:37:35]: And get their boosters. [4:37:36, 4:37:36]: So that's the question. [4:37:37, 4:37:39]: Will you throw Cafe on Bob? [4:37:39, 4:37:43]: And and in the correction, I'm not saying to cover cost of living. It would just be an ex [4:37:44, 4:37:47]: I'm not finished. Will you finish? No, I'm not finished. I'm sorry, forgive me. [4:37:47, 4:37:48]: Thank you. [4:37:48, 4:37:53]: Um so I wanted to ask Tess the attorney's names Wheeler. [4:37:53, 4:38:00]: Um, we're doing the research around the use of ARPA and how we can implement um [4:38:02, 4:38:14]: what is necessary to promote vaccination with our employees for those that um have not been vaccinated, an incentive that we can offer using ARPA funding. [4:38:14, 4:38:15]: Um but for [4:38:16, 4:38:17]: Those who [4:38:17, 4:38:23]: have no intentions of getting uh vaccinated and don't want to get vaccinated for whatever reason. [4:38:23, 4:38:29]: Um, that's fine, but to give a cost of living increase, we would have to use general fund for that. [4:38:29, 4:38:30]: Um we can't [4:38:31, 4:38:34]: Unless they are essential. [4:38:34, 4:38:40]: employees but a cost of living increase we'd have to use general fund. I just [4:38:40, 4:38:55]: I want us to be clear on how we're using this and that it is legal. So if Attorney Berry and Attorney Washington can speak to the guidelines surrounding the use of ARPA funding, I appreciate it. [4:38:56, 4:38:56]: Yeah. [4:38:56, 4:39:02]: But I w I want to be clear on what what what I'm talking about though. I'm not talking [4:39:02, 4:39:05]: Cost of living has nothing to do with this. [4:39:05, 4:39:07]: So I just want to make that clear with the [4:39:07, 4:39:27]: The the the increased cost of living that we increase that we've been given has nothing to do with this incentive that we're giving our employees. Uh it has nothing to do with that. And when I talk to um people from other cities that are doing this, uh it seems to be successful, it seems to boost the morale in the city uh among [4:39:27, 4:39:45]: the uh staffs and and and it just it just it becomes something that we can give and if if the city uh attorneys say something differently then then so be it but i'm seeing it being done in other cities in fact uh it's it's the discrepancy even today was on the news [4:39:45, 4:39:59]: uh whether they're gonna give it to all the employees or some of the employees, even with the county today. Uh they uh I don't know if you guys saw that today on the news that was out there, uh, but but I just think it's a good something good for us to do for the for the uh employees. [4:39:59, 4:40:05]: Thank you. Um Mr. Washington, you were unmuted there for a brief moment. Do you have a comment to this, sir? [4:40:07, 4:40:11]: No, sir, Your Honor, we would just need to research this and write a member of the council about it. [4:40:12, 4:40:14]: Okay. Deborah Tem go ahead, please. [4:40:15, 4:40:30]: Yeah, I'm certainly in support of doing uh something uh for the employees uh with the funding that has come in with the city. But again, you know, we've done something. We haven't laid off anybody, we maintain uh a full staff. [4:40:31, 4:40:33]: Uh, we uh provided [4:40:33, 4:40:37]: Uh some um you know, making sure that folks are making [4:40:37, 4:40:42]: And we passed fifteen dollars an hour to move to make sure that everybody was had a livable wage. [4:40:42, 4:40:45]: I just wanna make sure two things that um [4:40:45, 4:40:47]: The attorneys are test with [4:40:47, 4:40:50]: Of course, I'm certainly gonna be supportive of [4:40:51, 4:40:59]: and a a a a a leveled approach. If we decide it's legal to give a um [4:41:00, 4:41:12]: a bonus or a uh increase or this uh one-time payment to employees there should be levels. Someone's that sought to get vaccinated. [4:41:12, 4:41:16]: should get a a a higher or different amount. [4:41:16, 4:41:20]: because they've done, they've taken the additional step. [4:41:20, 4:41:21]: In order to [4:41:21, 4:41:26]: uh protect themselves against the virus. Even there may be three tiers, two. [4:41:27, 4:41:28]: If somebody [4:41:28, 4:41:30]: Is fully vaccinated. [4:41:30, 4:41:34]: Somebody is fully vaccinated with a booster. [4:41:34, 4:41:45]: or somebody is vaccinated or somebody is not vaccinated at all. There should be different tiers to that because again, the level what we're looking at right now is [4:41:45, 4:41:49]: The definition of fully vaccinated is going to change. [4:41:49, 4:42:00]: Because if you haven't got your booster in a few months, you're not gonna be fully vaccinated anymore when the CDC changes the guideline. So to me, I like to see that tiered approach. [4:42:01, 4:42:06]: To where we have uh three tiers. The the top the the top tier is [4:42:07, 4:42:11]: A fully vaccinated boosted. The second steer is [4:42:11, 4:42:19]: You know, you got your two shots or your one shot. And then the third tier is no, you're not vaccinated at all, if that's uh possible. Because [4:42:20, 4:42:26]: You know, I think it's everybody endured and well somebody for religious reasons did not get [4:42:27, 4:42:28]: The vaccine. [4:42:29, 4:42:30]: And they then [4:42:30, 4:42:32]: Did wear a mask. [4:42:32, 4:42:33]: To protect themselves. [4:42:34, 4:42:36]: Or they did go through regular testing. [4:42:36, 4:42:38]: And they took precautions. [4:42:38, 4:42:40]: Then that's worthy of something. [4:42:40, 4:42:43]: Not a zero. So I'm okay with. [4:42:43, 4:42:48]: a tiered approach to that. And I think I would like for the attorneys to look at that and to see what [4:42:49, 4:42:51]: uh uh uh other cities around us are doing. [4:42:53, 4:42:54]: Okay, Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [4:42:57, 4:43:17]: Man, I think uh Mr. Alexander, I mean, that's a good point. And that was a part of my thinking also that we we do something for every employee across the board. Uh, because I think that when we put in uh safety guidelines, I think everybody was adhering to them. Uh and and so to promote, not only to promote this uh uh [4:43:17, 4:43:36]: that we're with our employees, but I I I'm I'm for uh uh I don't know three tier or two-tier vaccinated, not vaccinated, uh approach or but but uh I'm a I'm just uh for whatever we decide to do. I just think that it you know whatever we do, we just need to do something at this point. And I think it will be a uh [4:43:37, 4:43:38]: Um [4:43:39, 4:43:59]: you know, it will be a good incentive for us to do this at this time with the h posit the position we are in with these uh upper funds. Uh if the attorney see the attorneys can look at several cities, I think that uh uh not McDonald's I know that uh Douglasville is doing it. Um I think s uh I think Sandy Spring [4:43:59, 4:44:18]: are doing several cities are doing it. And when I looked it up, and but I've gotten a call from from a couple of cities and they told me about the other cities also. So uh however we're gonna do it, I'm I'm I'm I'm fine with the tiers or however we do it. I just think that we need to, you know, it's something that we uh we should be doing as a as a whole. [4:44:19, 4:44:21]: Ms. Barber, you have another comment, please? [4:44:23, 4:44:30]: really really quick um I like for the attorney to really look into the discrimination um [4:44:30, 4:44:35]: part of this because we don't want those who for whatever reason [4:44:35, 4:44:37]: don't want to be vaccinated. [4:44:38, 4:44:38]: Um [4:44:39, 4:44:40]: Now [4:44:42, 4:45:01]: Now you're discriminating against them. They may feel as though they're entitled to the same amount as everyone else. So I really want the attorneys to speak to that aspect of it. Of course, we want to avoid as many lawsuits as possible, um, just so that we understand, so that I understand. [4:45:02, 4:45:02]: That [4:45:03, 4:45:04]: There are no potential. [4:45:05, 4:45:10]: uh with discrimination when we do this tier approach. That's all. But I support it. I do. [4:45:11, 4:45:27]: Yep, Mayor, one of the things one of the things I was told is that this uh with the approach that uh one of those kind of came up similar to what Mr. Alexander was saying. And what they were saying is that this is no different than incentive that insurance comes to give those that [4:45:28, 4:45:45]: that would get vaccinated, they you know, you save on insurance. There's always reward for people taking an extra step for precautions. Always an award uh re award for that. And it doesn't alleviate the others. It only gives incentive to those that are took taking that extra step. [4:45:46, 4:45:56]: These are funds that's being used. Um, ARPA funds is what you're proposing that we use. So the guidelines are a bit different than they would be for [4:45:57, 4:46:00]: a healthcare provider of some sort. [4:46:01, 4:46:02]: We'll go ahead and [4:46:02, 4:46:08]: And uh in in regards to that line of speaking that Mr. Blount was referring to. [4:46:09, 4:46:17]: That's something that Miss Wheeler needs to bring back to us and uh we need to discuss as a council is [4:46:17, 4:46:21]: Is the how is the insur how are the insurers looking at that? [4:46:22, 4:46:42]: If an employee is fully vaccinated or his employee is not fully vaccinated. Is there a difference in our cost? Because we as a council have absorbed the cost where many employers have not, we have absorbed the cost year after year after year at at our at the city's expense. [4:46:42, 4:47:01]: So uh we need to look at is the insurance company gonna be passing on to us the cost of employees not getting vaccinated? So maybe Ms. Wheeler might be able to bring that information back to us and to see what that looks like and that might help us in making this decision as well. [4:47:01, 4:47:06]: On that note, Miss Willard, is there anything you can add at this point or is there additional research you have to do? [4:47:13, 4:47:14]: Miss Wheeler? [4:47:18, 4:47:30]: All right. So otherwise uh we're looking for uh Mr. Blount, are you looking for a motion? Are you too for we had discussion? Uh the attorneys obviously have heard all this, uh so I mean they can do the additional research, but uh uh how do how do you want to proceed with this? [4:47:32, 4:47:52]: Well, I think at this point, Mayor, uh the um we we've done it as a discussion. So until until we get uh some information back as soon as we can, I just want to know if if we can make a decision through a consensus on uh through email if we have to, or do we have to come before the council to make [4:47:52, 4:48:02]: those this do we have to come and make a vote of it out front? Uh uh either um Mr. Washington, could we do a consensus on on those expenditures through email? [4:48:05, 4:48:07]: I would think that it would need to be a boat take you. [4:48:08, 4:48:16]: Well then I know we gotta never gotta be specific to the there gotta be specifics of the policy that you want on the executive side to be implemented. [4:48:18, 4:48:32]: Okay, well if if my initial if my initial vote was about if my initial vote was five hundred dollars, two fifty for uh the unvaccinated em uh employees and and seven for uh the uh boosters. [4:48:32, 4:48:36]: Uh is that on the level that any of any of my colleagues was thinking of? [4:48:39, 4:48:40]: Any comments on that? [4:48:40, 4:48:41]: Mm-hmm. [4:48:41, 4:48:42]: Yes, sir. [4:48:42, 4:48:44]: Let's just do the research. [4:48:45, 4:48:54]: Let's do the research as we've discussed. Okay. That's why I asked the question. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying I'm just my I muted myself by mistake. Go ahead. Okay. [4:48:54, 4:49:06]: Yeah, so I'm I'm that's why I was thinking that the the the attorneys have heard this are thinking about doing some research and then come back with some information and then make a dis a final decision based on the research and make sure that we're legal across the board and what we want to implement. [4:49:06, 4:49:25]: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm fine with that. I'm fine. Yeah. I think we have a this a simple uh general consensus on that aspect. So um our attorneys have heard that and uh in this aspect. So uh I would imagine that uh maybe within the next thirty days or less you'll be able to give us some input on that. Is that proper? [4:49:26, 4:49:29]: That's what I was just trying to determine. So within the thirty days. Okay. Yes, yes, sir. [4:49:30, 4:49:30]: Yes, sir. [4:49:31, 4:49:31]: Okay. [4:49:32, 4:49:39]: On that note, uh I will go to uh my comments. And since we were talking about incentives and talking about uh [4:49:39, 4:49:41]: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. [4:49:41, 4:49:44]: Can we I don't think we need thirty days for that. [4:49:44, 4:49:46]: Can we have it by the next next meeting? [4:49:47, 4:49:55]: I mean, I we don't need 30 days. Well, in all actuality, our next meeting, well, here's the thing: our next meeting uh won't be until 10 January unless something special happens. [4:49:57, 4:50:07]: That's that's our next meeting. This is the last meeting of the of the calendar year. Well, I will talk about something in just a bit in my comments that's going to cause a special call meeting, but uh but a special call meetings for a specific purpose. [4:50:07, 4:50:15]: Yeah, but I don't think we need thirty days to find to find our weekend. Okay, but but our n but our next next meeting is not to January tenth, sir. [4:50:17, 4:50:27]: Oh okay. Well that's less than thirty days what I'm saying. Well, okay. It's it's okay, it's okay, good point. It's uh say three weeks. I guess in sense when you look at that. Three weeks, all right. [4:50:27, 4:50:43]: So comments, we're talking about uh the the uh public health type issues here, and as you well well know, Omicron, this virus, is starting to take charge and uh do damage over the delta. It's it's more prominent now. And uh in a conversation that uh [4:50:43, 4:50:45]: The public the uh Piemont Henry. [4:50:46, 4:50:52]: has had uh Dr. Henson there, the Pima Henry is getting ready for what they call the fifth surge. [4:50:53, 4:50:57]: And uh other people have talked about in the media discussing about another surge. [4:50:57, 4:51:00]: And Omicron is proven to be that that part of the third. So [4:51:01, 4:51:05]: We're in the Christmas season, gonna come to New Year's and swing around to the new calendar year. [4:51:05, 4:51:25]: So we got to prepare for this. And I will tell you, ladies and gentlemen, I I today, along with my spouse, got my booster shot for Mederma. And it it it I'll tell you what, it didn't hurt. It was quick, simple. I feel fine. I've been in this meeting all evening. I feel fine. So what it amounts to is that you need to get your vaccination, you need to get your booster shot. If you [4:51:25, 4:51:30]: haven't been tested to get tested and then get a shot at the vaccination anyway. That's the only way we're gonna beat this. [4:51:31, 4:51:51]: Omicron is coming. OMA not coming. Omicron is here. So and so otherwise it's gonna dictate how we go forward with our next calendar year in reference to how we we deal with ourselves, with our meetings, with our social events, uh, with our city activities, things of that nature. So we just gotta be properly prepared. And I'm gonna hope that the entire council and the staff that's here. [4:51:50, 4:51:58]: Among me right now, have had your vaccinations, have your boosters, please get it. And for citizens out there, you need to do that. [4:51:58, 4:52:01]: C D C guidance says sixteen age or up [4:52:01, 4:52:08]: You are qualifier for a booster, free of charge. I want the public today free of charge to do this. Set an appointment and go. [4:52:08, 4:52:28]: All right, public health department and Madonna. Uh you can set an appointment and they'll give you Madurma, a Pfizer, shots, and booster to Public Health Department as well. It's 135 Henry Parkway. And that number is 470-661-0005. Once again, 470-661-0005. [4:52:28, 4:52:28]: Five. [4:52:30, 4:52:35]: COVID nineteen testing on a continued basis, Monday through Friday, nine AM to three PM. [4:52:35, 4:52:49]: Red Hawk Field at 143 Henry Parkway. All right. They're Monday to Friday, 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. Free of Charge, go get tested. And then once you get tested and you get the results of that, if it's negative, obviously go get vaccinated and get your booster. [4:52:50, 4:53:10]: Uh the public health department uh once again at 135 Henry Parkway has walk-ins actually, a walk-in basis from 9 to 1130 andor 1 to 230 during the course of the week. Uh offices is closed at 5 p.m. and are open five days a week. Once again, that number is 470-661-000. [4:53:09, 4:53:11]: zero five. [4:53:11, 4:53:15]: And uh to go to public health department to and get a vaccination there. [4:53:15, 4:53:35]: Um and of course you can what the what they're told now you can cross over from a derma and pfizer for the boosters only. Mederma and Pfizer. If you had a Mederma um or Pfizer vaccination and you want to get a boot when you get a booster, you can take each other's boosters. So you can cross over once you get the full vaccination from a derma or pfizer. [4:53:35, 4:53:36]: Take the other booster. [4:53:36, 4:53:38]: That'll be helpful. It is you can still do it. [4:53:39, 4:53:51]: And because once you start a particular series on a Pfizer phase one and two, you've got to come, you gotta complete it. Moderma phase one and two, gotta complete it. And then you can take a different booster as well. You can legally do that. [4:53:52, 4:54:02]: Okay, five years uh individuals are five years old or older can take the vaccination, either moderma or phi uh pfizer. So kids five years or older. [4:54:02, 4:54:08]: can take the vaccination if of Mederma and Pfizer. So please do so. The young folks need to they need the young folks around. We need them well. [4:54:09, 4:54:12]: If you are ages five to fifteen. [4:54:12, 4:54:32]: And you can't take the booster, uh you can't take the booster until it's approved by CDC and the CDC has not uh approved the booster for ages five to fifteen. You can take the vaccination, but you can't take the booster uh uh yet if you're from five age five to fifteen. Okay, but if you're course a sixteen-year-old, you can't take the booster necessary. [4:54:32, 4:54:52]: So you always got to make sure that you go and you have the right permission from your doctors and your and to take all these proper shots in this aspect. Another good news story, kind of mentioned earlier tonight that uh we have we have selected, well, let's put it this way: we have the sole finalist, Frederick Gardner. Uh the [4:54:52, 4:55:00]: Be our next city manager. And uh, we have to wait 14 days before we have an official meeting to officially appoint him by a vote publicly. [4:55:01, 4:55:09]: And so that 14-day period started on Saturday. The actual 14-day period by law, by Georgia law, ends believing on the 31st of this year. [4:55:09, 4:55:29]: So sometime, uh Mr. Blount, regular meetings on January 10th, but sometime here before that regular meeting, we will have to have a special call meeting to formally appoint the next city manager, okay, after the 14-day period by virtue of law. So we look forward to that. We'll have to figure out when that day will be and that aspect. And um [4:55:29, 4:55:35]: On that note, I am going to go into the upcoming meetings and announcements. [4:55:35, 4:55:55]: City Council meeting uh and swearing in for in the ceremony. For the ceremony, the second Monday of each month is our next city council meeting. So the swearing in ceremony for myself and uh councilman Thomas and Councilwoman um uh Gantt will be January 10th. Location to be determined. So we have to figure that out based on what's going on in our environment. [4:55:55, 4:55:55]: [17756.1, 17771.4]: New Council meeting, 5.30 p.m., second Wednesday of each month in Levi Meeting Room and City Hall for January, says January 12th on that date. The Main Street Advisory Board meeting second Friday of each month, 9 a.m. by way of Zoom, January 14th. [4:56:12, 4:56:32]: New Council Advisory Committee meeting, 6 30 p.m., third Tuesday of each month. Patrick Harry Meeting Room in the City Hall on January 18th. Downtown Development Authority, 6 p.m. by way of Zoom. Their next meeting, third Tuesday of each month on January 18th. City Council work session meeting last Tuesday of each month. And this time it's going to be January 25th. [4:56:31, 4:56:49]: because we go to Cities United on the 21st to the 24th of January. And so our work session will be on January 25th. The planning commission meeting fourth Tuesday each month at 630 by way of Zoom. And that's be February 24th. [4:56:50, 4:57:10]: Uh please join Councilman Councilwoman Barber at the Eagles Land Dance Center for free Zuma Saturdays at 8 a.m. Uh at 625 Red Oak Road in Stockbridge. And then uh I have here a note says a continuous salute to veterans. Please forward your pictures of veterans, including name, brant, branch, and [4:57:10, 4:57:30]: rank and years of service to Councilman Thomas in this aspect. You present uh now I'm I'm assuming this is still ongoing, Mr. Thomas, that uh you want to have that uh continued information about the veterans to honor them. Okay, good deal. So so veterans or individuals that support veterans submit everything to uh Z Pearson at City of [4:57:29, 4:57:49]: That's Miss Uh Zenobia Pearson will receive that. And uh and actually I have the the my monthly Meet the Mayor, the voice your questions and concerns is Tuesday, uh January 25th, will be the next time we do that, 10 a.m. to noon. And you will call Ms. Zenovia Pearson to [4:57:49, 4:57:55]: set an appointment schedule appointment for that day is 770-389-7900. [4:57:55, 4:57:56]: Extension two forty eight. [4:57:57, 4:58:02]: And I want to say to everybody, to the council, to the citizens, to the staff, Merry Christmas, happy holidays. [4:58:02, 4:58:07]: Uh happy Cozana uh uh Kozwana. I can't even pronounce it right, shame on me. [4:58:07, 4:58:08]: Yeah, yeah. [4:58:08, 4:58:09]: Excuse me. [4:58:10, 4:58:11]: Hanukkah. [4:58:11, 4:58:27]: Hanukkah, Hanukkah too, absolutely. And happy new year. Uh Kozan uh Kowana. Kwanzaa. Kwanza, excuse me. I should know that. Kwanza. And okay, anyway. Uh in that aspect. And if my understanding, uh [4:58:28, 4:58:36]: That we actually have an executive session. If we when you get in a execut session, the attorneys have something they need to discuss with us. If we if we want to go in a executive session, I need a motion to do so. [4:58:38, 4:58:40]: Is there a motion to go to the second session? [4:58:40, 4:58:41]: We're looking [4:58:42, 4:58:43]: So is there [4:58:44, 4:58:45]: I'll ask the attorneys. [4:58:46, 4:58:49]: Is there anything that the council needs to consider in executive session? [4:58:52, 4:58:54]: Yes. One quick matter. [4:58:55, 4:59:02]: Therefore, I make a motion to go into an executive session for personnel, litigation, and real estate matters. [4:59:02, 4:59:03]: Okay, zero second. [4:59:04, 4:59:05]: Clear. [4:59:05, 4:59:07]: All right. All in favor, please indicate. [4:59:09, 4:59:23]: Okay, we're going to zygo session. So I'm gonna need a separate link for everybody and to go to zygo session uh in this aspect. Okay. Can we take a short yes you take a short, you take a break and I'll see you by within 10 minutes. And so you'll see each other in 10 minutes. [4:59:25, 4:59:26]: Okay, thank you. [4:59:27, 4:59:30]: Please send those uh send those links, please. [5:00:18, 5:00:19]: Okay. [5:00:38, 5:00:39]: I'm sorry. [5:01:45, 5:01:46]: Okay, [5:05:11, 5:05:26]: Okay, Vanessa. Okay, you're back. I'm sorry, I was just trying to call you. I I hung up. So that's me hang probably hanging up on you. That was I for it. That was oh that was you. Okay. Then let me okay. I'm sorry. I thought that was her. All right. [5:05:48, 5:05:50]: Oh, there we go. There she's back. Okay. [5:05:50, 5:06:02]: All right, so we actually have a quorum. Okay. So uh what I like to do is I like to have a uh motion to uh end executive session. [5:06:06, 5:06:12]: Motion there. So move. Mr. Thomas, so no, so moves. Ms. Barber, second that. Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [5:06:13, 5:06:19]: All right. Okay, good. Now I need a motion to reconvene our uh city council work session. [5:06:19, 5:06:20]: Don't go. [5:06:20, 5:06:30]: Okay, m again, Mr. Thomas moved again. Mayor uh councilman uh councilwoman barber, second that. Okay. All right. All in favor, please indicate. [5:06:31, 5:06:31]: Uh [5:06:31, 5:06:36]: Okay. All right. Now now I need a motion to end our city council work session. [5:06:37, 5:06:39]: Don't move. All right, Mr. Thomas. [5:06:39, 5:06:48]: Oh Mayor Ford, do you need to acknowledge I'm sorry, excuse me, you're right. So sorry. We have nothing to report in reference to our executive sessions this time for the public. [5:06:49, 5:07:05]: Okay, Mr. Thomas, you made the motion. The second. Yes, ma'am. This yeah, I didn't have one thing. When I announced the planning commission meetings, I made the mistake of saying six o'clock. Their meetings are actually at 6 30. I just wanted to create. Okay. Document is correct. I just misspoke. [5:07:06, 5:07:11]: Okay, no problem. Things like that happen from time to time. All right. You're human. All righty. [5:07:11, 5:07:16]: I check it out. All right. Motion has been made by Mr. Thomas to end the end our meeting. Is there a second? [5:07:17, 5:07:20]: Second. Okay. Mayor Pro Tem second that all in favor, please indicate. [5:07:21, 5:07:24]: Aye. Okay, good deal. Let's see now. [5:07:25, 5:07:35]: in this aspect. Three of you. It's unanimous in that aspect. That's all we need. Ms. Washington, we're out of here. Good night, everybody. Good night. Good night. Merry Christmas, everybody. Merry Christmas. Happy Merry Christmas.