2022-11-14 · City Council · Transcript · Regular Council Meetings

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2022-11-14 source: 2022-11-14_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:00:20, 0:00:22]: It looks like it's so much more wrong with it. [0:00:22, 0:00:25]: Are you not the season? [0:00:40, 0:00:46]: I want to tell you all the process is [0:00:47, 0:00:50]: [ 75.1, 76.9]: [0:01:17, 0:01:24]: Somewhere things go for smaller business productions. Yes, yes. [0:01:27, 0:01:30]: Okay. I'm gonna do it again. [0:01:30, 0:01:34]: Okay. [0:01:35, 0:01:45]: But it went a little bit. [0:01:50, 0:02:10]: What people are that sort of thing. And um if you're again if you're doing any specials or anything like that, let us know. I am. And we will people come in and store it. Okay. So I will I assign the school and send them to us. [0:02:10, 0:02:10]: Good um [0:02:11, 0:02:15]: And you were okay with how that works and everything? [0:02:15, 0:02:34]: Oh yes, you didn't do the evidence. So you can teach everybody how to do it. Have you seen what it looks like in everything? I think I saw it at the meeting. Okay,'cause we've got a new feature to do it. [0:02:36, 0:02:56]: Here I'm here. Here at a library. Thank you, thank you. This is Pavert Brown. She could come up with some stuff. The fact that this was her friend. [0:02:56, 0:02:58]: Yeah, [0:02:59, 0:03:03]: Goodness. So yeah, really. [0:03:14, 0:03:15]: I guess. [0:03:25, 0:03:30]: [231.4, 239.8]: [0:04:01, 0:04:06]: I think if the small boot is gonna be a [0:04:06, 0:04:15]: Problemation or something in there when they're setting up asking on the first four uh this reading. Well, you give the response. [0:04:20, 0:04:21]: Okay, I think that's [0:04:21, 0:04:25]: Okay, yeah, craft means that yes, okay. [0:04:38, 0:04:38]: [282.6, 287.2]: That's the same thing. Yeah, alright. [0:04:51, 0:04:52]: Oh yeah, I think. [0:04:54, 0:04:56]: Yeah, but we're gonna put that again. [0:04:58, 0:05:00]: Just the words of that. [0:06:44, 0:06:45]: Yeah. [0:06:50, 0:06:54]: And then we used to be out in the standard. [0:07:17, 0:07:21]: The season is not called stuff. [0:07:22, 0:07:24]: Okay, I don't know. [0:07:24, 0:07:28]: And that's just kind of in the physical class. [0:07:35, 0:07:35]: I'll say that. [0:07:41, 0:07:45]: But no I think she's a little bit. [0:08:10, 0:08:12]: I think that's a purpose. [0:08:13, 0:08:15]: This is where I'm going to. [0:08:44, 0:08:45]: [527.9, 530.0]: Okay, so pops in that. [0:08:55, 0:09:00]: They don't see that's where we go to take picture. [0:09:01, 0:09:04]: The proxy, yeah, so you see okay. [0:09:09, 0:09:10]: Yeah. [0:09:15, 0:09:33]: Yeah, I'm not sure. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It didn't seem to come on, so I would have to do that. [0:09:40, 0:09:45]: [585.9, 602.8]: So you need to have your poster software closed. Yeah, they need that we put in your bag. [0:10:03, 0:10:05]: But maybe you have to start a little bit. [0:10:16, 0:10:19]: Yeah, there's [0:10:20, 0:10:25]: Uh we got a few minutes. I'll have to go away and say, uh [0:10:27, 0:10:28]: Okay. [0:10:40, 0:10:41]: [657.9, 660.1]: [0:11:06, 0:11:08]: Sounds like [0:11:10, 0:11:20]: I'll fetch her. This picture. [0:11:30, 0:11:31]: Yeah, must be happy. [0:11:41, 0:11:43]: Oh yeah, [0:11:45, 0:11:49]: So that's it. [0:11:50, 0:11:55]: [722.7, 725.9]: No, that's actually here. [0:12:07, 0:12:08]: Okay. [0:12:09, 0:12:11]: It's not the best real. [0:13:02, 0:13:05]: I'm looking at this. [0:13:15, 0:13:29]: And that's why I'm not sure. She said she said it's not. [0:13:29, 0:13:32]: So that's that's not what I'm gonna know we use now. [0:13:32, 0:13:36]: [818.3, 820.0]: It is regarding the white one. [0:13:46, 0:13:56]: Yes, that's what we're talking about. [0:14:29, 0:14:30]: Uh [0:14:33, 0:14:34]: Yeah. [0:14:50, 0:15:10]: I just talked to the version of the five. [0:15:25, 0:15:45]: She has a she has a [0:17:25, 0:17:37]: And then waiting for this point. I I don't live in the car. [0:17:45, 0:18:00]: Yeah, actually doesn't show very much. Yeah, we've gone. Oh just right, it's still up and downtown. Well, [0:18:05, 0:18:07]: The jobs and stuff. [0:18:07, 0:18:09]: It's all our [0:18:22, 0:18:27]: Yeah. [0:18:29, 0:18:32]: That's Linda. Okay. [0:18:33, 0:18:35]: Yeah, but [0:19:04, 0:19:06]: [1185.6, 1187.0]: Yeah. [0:19:47, 0:19:49]: So that's easy to write. [0:20:13, 0:20:15]: Yeah, here it's [0:20:16, 0:20:20]: [1275.7, 1278.3]: [0:21:19, 0:21:22]: Oh, there's a bit of people coming. [0:21:24, 0:21:25]: Okay. [0:21:50, 0:21:50]: Okay. [0:24:00, 0:24:02]: [1805.3, 1806.1]: [0:30:11, 0:30:20]: Yeah, some yeah, well that's there. [0:30:26, 0:30:29]: I I study and I've not really. [0:30:50, 0:30:51]: I'm sorry. [0:30:52, 0:30:54]: These are fields. [0:30:55, 0:30:57]: You know what I'm saying? [0:31:12, 0:31:14]: Yeah, right. [0:31:26, 0:31:33]: Scared, did you want to go ahead and do that now or what? Are you doing it now? [0:31:33, 0:31:36]: Like searching. [0:31:38, 0:31:39]: Yeah, that's what it's. [0:31:54, 0:31:54]: Madam Clerk. [0:32:59, 0:33:01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [0:33:12, 0:33:16]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to call our [0:33:17, 0:33:23]: November fourteenth council meeting to order. I have now uh six oh four. [0:33:24, 0:33:29]: Invocation if you please stand if you can. Miss Linda Jones, come on up please. [0:33:29, 0:33:30]: To the mic. [0:33:37, 0:33:37]: Right there. [0:33:41, 0:33:46]: Good evening everyone. Evening. I'm just gonna turn myself a little bit. I like to face everyone too. [0:33:46, 0:33:48]: Welcome, welcome, welcome. [0:33:48, 0:33:58]: Um I'm new at what I do, but I love being in the spotlight. So thank you all for coming out tonight for this very important meeting and let's say a small prayer. [0:33:59, 0:34:03]: Father God, thank you for bringing all of us together tonight. [0:34:04, 0:34:16]: Father, please keep us all on the same accord. Give us the guidance and what you have sent us here for. These and all other blessings. We ask in your name Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. We pledge allegiance. [0:34:17, 0:34:30]: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for this stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:34:31, 0:34:33]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:34:45, 0:35:04]: Mayor Ford? Present. Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilwoman Barber. Present. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. Present. Mayor Ford, we have a quorum. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate that. Um Mayor Pro Tem Thomas, I believe we have an amendment to the agenda for this evening. [0:35:04, 0:35:06]: Yes. Thank you, Mayor. [0:35:06, 0:35:08]: Uh Mayor Council, I have several [0:35:09, 0:35:11]: Amendments to the agenda. [0:35:12, 0:35:14]: First a motion to [0:35:14, 0:35:16]: Amend the agenda for [0:35:17, 0:35:19]: Council's consideration [0:35:19, 0:35:22]: For a twenty twenty two [0:35:22, 0:35:25]: Volunteer Appreciation Denner [0:35:25, 0:35:29]: On December the tenth at the Murray Manor's Conference Center. [0:35:30, 0:35:40]: And Mayor, if you would, uh I take this from individual. Okay. S second. All right. It's been second by uh Mr. Alexander. All in favor, please indicate. [0:35:41, 0:35:43]: Okay, we'll put that down. We'll put that at the end. [0:35:45, 0:35:45]: Um [0:35:45, 0:35:47]: I'm sorry, all opposed? Well. [0:35:48, 0:35:51]: I'm sorry, discussion, sir. Go right. I'm sorry. Go ahead, sir. [0:35:52, 0:36:07]: I'm sorry, good point for Mayor Proten. Go ahead, please. I'm sorry. This motion is to add it to the agenda and once it it comes up, then we'll get into the discussion. But this is just approval to add it to the agenda for council consideration. [0:36:08, 0:36:25]: Okay, any further discussion? If not all on yes sir. Mayor due respect. We don't have a proposed budget for it because we only have one more week before the actual event. You don't have a proposed budget for it? I I do, but according to the process [0:36:25, 0:36:28]: The process is to add it to the agenda for discussion. [0:36:29, 0:36:36]: And once you get into discussion, all of that will come out. Then you're gonna ask for a proposed budget? Yes. I will share all of that. [0:36:36, 0:36:40]: But this is just to get approval to add it to the agenda. [0:36:42, 0:36:45]: Any other discussion? Once again, all in favor, please indicate. [0:36:46, 0:36:52]: Okay, unamous decision, thank you very much. We'll put that at the end of our regular uh part of our meeting, our new business, all right? [0:36:53, 0:36:56]: Okay. Mayor Ford and Council. [0:36:56, 0:37:00]: Um the next motion is to remove [0:37:00, 0:37:03]: Agenda item five [0:37:03, 0:37:06]: six and seven [0:37:07, 0:37:10]: To be rescheduled for the january eighteenth. [0:37:10, 0:37:11]: Night. [0:37:12, 0:37:13]: Agenda. [0:37:14, 0:37:17]: And I do have one more which is separate from this. [0:37:18, 0:37:26]: So I I will entertain uh is there a second to that motion? Second. Uh Mr. Els had a second to that. Is there any further discussion? [0:37:26, 0:37:27]: Um [0:37:28, 0:37:42]: Go ahead please. Okay, so I'm trying to look to see what item five, six, and seven is. It deals with the annexation dealing with uh development on one forty two and the uh applicant itself, along with the attorney the represents them has asked for this uh change. Thank you. [0:37:43, 0:37:47]: Any further discussion? All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:37:47, 0:37:52]: Now's decision. Thank you very much. Okay, that go ahead, Mayor Potem. And Mayor Ford and Council, the last motion. [0:37:53, 0:37:54]: is to remove [0:37:55, 0:37:59]: Ам сара історій. [0:38:03, 0:38:14]: Uh uh y wait a minute. I'm I'm sorry. Yeah, me I think me sixteen, sir. Let me make sure. Uh originally it was eleven. Uh to remove [0:38:16, 0:38:17]: I'm sorry, to table [0:38:18, 0:38:20]: Uh agenda item sixteen. Right. [0:38:21, 0:38:27]: To table agenda item sixteen. Got it. Okay. And Mr. Alzana second that any further discussion? [0:38:28, 0:38:29]: All favor, please in okay. [0:38:30, 0:38:50]: All right, it's unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Now we need a motion to adopt the rest of the agenda, please. So moved. Is there a second? Second. Miss Barber had her hand up. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor, please indicate. Fantastic. Okay. What you have before you is the adoption of the minutes, the draft minutes for September 12th. [0:38:50, 0:39:01]: Council meeting and also the draft minutes for the September twenty-seventh council work session. If there are no changes or recommended changes to that, we're good with that. I need a motion to accept those minutes, please. [0:39:02, 0:39:06]: Mr Mr uh Blount, is there a second? Mayor. I'm I'm sorry, sir. [0:39:12, 0:39:13]: Add to the agenda? Yes sir. [0:39:14, 0:39:22]: The uh okay. One other matter would be the ordinance for the adoption of the budget or the reading of the budget. [0:39:23, 0:39:28]: Okay. And so we're going to present that we're going to present that ordinance to you all today as well. [0:39:28, 0:39:38]: All right. Uh I'm confused. Why why we're not adopting the budget. This will be the first reading of the budget. We're not adopting it. [0:39:40, 0:39:43]: Not adopted, it's the first reading. The adoption is December twelfth. [0:39:43, 0:40:00]: All right, so we don't need the ordinance until December twelfth? All right, we do not. So first reading, public hearing. Okay, that's good. We don't need to amend that. All right. I mean I'm I'm assuming that's the correct answer. I mean I I'm I'm surprised about this, but okay. Yeah, that's that's fine. All right. All right. [0:40:01, 0:40:05]: Back to okay. In reference to the draft minutes. [0:40:05, 0:40:09]: Twelfth September twelfth and September twenty seventh. I need a motion to accept those minutes, please. [0:40:11, 0:40:17]: So moved. Mr. Alexander, is there a second? Ms. Barber second that any further discussion? All in favor, please indicate. [0:40:18, 0:40:24]: Unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Okay. Now we're on to a ceremonial uh portion of our council meeting. [0:40:25, 0:40:30]: I'll come down and council you can join if you like down front. [0:40:31, 0:40:34]: And we'll go a couple of populations for each thing. [0:40:40, 0:40:42]: So it is that just [0:40:44, 0:40:49]: All right, so we have here two. First one is going to be a small business salary. [0:40:53, 0:40:54]: Just uh [0:40:54, 0:40:58]: Main Street's gonna come on up. And by the way, it's a small bit of salary. [0:40:58, 0:41:18]: If by chance, let's do this, let's see what happens here. If by chance, if anybody in council chambers is a small business owner, an entrepreneur, come on up. If you're a small business owner, entrepreneur, come on up. So this is this deals with you. Come on up and join us. Entrepreneur. [0:41:18, 0:41:23]: All right. [0:41:26, 0:41:28]: All businesses, come on up. [0:41:29, 0:41:30]: Come on up. Gather around. [0:41:40, 0:41:42]: Well I guess I need to stay right here. All right. [0:41:45, 0:41:46]: I'm sorry. [0:41:47, 0:41:51]: Well I was gonna say I'll I'll I'll walk I'll stay right here, it doesn't bother me. I'm I'm fine. [0:41:51, 0:41:54]: All right. Thank you, Madam Clerk. [0:41:56, 0:41:59]: So look at all these business owners up here with the council. All right, good stuff. [0:42:00, 0:42:01]: Yeah, yeah. [0:42:05, 0:42:25]: All right. So we have here a proclamation, City of Stockbridge, and recognition of Small Business Saturday. Whereas founded by the American Express in 2010 and officially co-sponsored by the Small Business Association, SBA, since 2011, Small Business Saturday has become an important part of small businesses busiest shopping season. Historically, the report [0:42:25, 0:42:45]: Projected spending among US consumers who shopped at independent retailers and restaurants on Small Business Saturday reached an estimate of$23.3 billion. And whereas Saturday, November 26, 2022, is Small Business Saturday, a day to celebrate and support small businesses, and all day, all they do for the [0:42:45, 0:43:05]: our communities. This year we know that small businesses need to support now more than ever as they navigate, retool, and pivot from the effects of coronavirus pandemic. Whereas according accordingly to the United States Small Business Administration, there are currently 32.5 million small businesses in the United States. [0:43:05, 0:43:25]: Small businesses represent more than 99% of companies with paid employers, employees, excuse me, and are responsible for over 60% of net new jobs created since 1995. Whereas small businesses employ nearly 47% of the employees in the private sector in our country and contribute positively. [0:43:25, 0:43:45]: To the local community by supplying jobs and generating tax revenue. Now, therefore, I am Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of uh a vested authority vested in me as a mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members Elton, Alexander, Yolanda, Barber, John Blount, Lakeisha Gandhi, and Fonso Thomas, do hereby urge the residents of our amazing Stockbridge community to support small. [0:43:45, 0:44:05]: Small businesses and merchants today during the main street shop small blitz during the entire month of November. Participate in s in shop small Saturday, November 26th, and support local small businesses throughout the entire year. In witness thereof, I have hereunto set my hand on the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia on the fourteenth day of November. [0:44:05, 0:44:10]: November of our year of our Lord, 2022, and I signed a proclamation along with a clerk for Nessa Holiday. [0:44:11, 0:44:24]: Okay. Now, since since we have several business owners, but since we have the main street, why don't you come on up and'cause this deals this deals deals in your area of responsibility, right? Right, why don't you all come on up and say some words here as well? [0:44:25, 0:44:25]: How about it? [0:44:26, 0:44:46]: Thank you, Mayor Ford, and thank you everyone who is here with us today. We have a very um eclectic and unique um representation of our small businesses here in the city of Stockbridge. Um we are happy to support them during the month of November, which is the Stockbridge Small Business Blitz Month. And as the Mayor [0:44:46, 0:45:06]: told you we will also be celebrating Small Business Saturday, which will be the Saturday immediately following Thanksgiving. This year it will be November the 26th, and we invite everyone to go out and support our small businesses on that day and throughout the month of November. [0:45:07, 0:45:08]: Okay, but [0:45:11, 0:45:25]: Yeah, since I have all the uh these business owners, I'm obviously everybody can't speak anybody want a special thing they want to say, these small business owners, anybody? Okay, you're all good? All right. Well thank you. Thank you for being in the same shop here. [0:45:30, 0:45:31]: Two months. [0:45:31, 0:45:37]: Yes. I'm sorry. Okay, I'm sorry. Go ahead, please. Come on, please. [0:45:38, 0:45:40]: You can go on and tell them. [0:45:41, 0:45:51]: Great. Hi everyone. We just have um some background information for you um about the small business blitz. Um [0:45:51, 0:45:55]: We're very happy to say that the Stockbridge Main Street program [0:45:55, 0:45:56]: Воз аварий [0:45:57, 0:46:02]: A national recognition by the American Express Company who created Small Business Saturday. [0:46:02, 0:46:04]: For our innovative [0:46:04, 0:46:24]: innovative projects that we do here in Stockbridge. That being said, this time around, we normally have a small passport for everyone to carry with them from store to store. We still have that, but this year we also have a digital app. So we are encouraging you when you go out into the hall [0:46:24, 0:46:44]: If you see the QR code next to the shop small logo and promo items, please go ahead and download the app so that you'll be able to shop. All of the businesses are located inside of the app. It also gives you an opportunity to upload. [0:46:44, 0:46:50]: Upload four receipts for your purchases, proving that you have shopped at four places around the city during the month of November. [0:46:51, 0:47:09]: And with those four purchases, you'll be eligible for a prize pack drawing. So and it will be full of merchandise from our um participating merchants. So please go out and support, and we appreciate you supporting the city of Stockbridge and our projects for our business community. [0:47:10, 0:47:11]: Thank you. [0:47:20, 0:47:22]: Our next uh proclamation actually is uh [0:47:23, 0:47:31]: Dealing with uh member of the Divine Nine, Sigma Gamma Rose Award Incorporated, celebrating one hundred years of uh service. Ladies, come on up, please. [0:47:39, 0:47:41]: You know you're taking you're taking all the pictures, I said. [0:47:42, 0:47:43]: Yeah, come on over here please. Yeah, thank you. [0:47:46, 0:47:47]: Okay. [0:47:49, 0:48:09]: Okay, what this says here is that whereas Sigma Gamma Rose Saority Incorporated was founded November twelfth, nineteen twenty-two, at Butler University in Indianapolis, Indiana, by seven young educators and now has over five hundred chapters, with the organization's focus on community service being an essential part of the organization's work. [0:48:09, 0:48:29]: It is a mission of Sigma GammaRoll Sority incorporated to enhance the quality of life for women and their families in the U.S. and globally throughout community service, civil, and social action, and to achieve greater progress in the areas of education, health, awareness, and leadership development. Whereas since its inception, the dynamic women of Sigma Gamma Roll [0:48:29, 0:48:49]: Have built and sustained a well-known and well-respected reputation for leading positive change to help uplift the community through sisterhood, leadership, and service. Whereas Lambda Sigma Sigma Alumni chapter of Sigma Gown Room Sword Incorporated was chartered on June 9th, 2012, in Stockbridge, Georgia. Lambda Sigma Sigma's charter moment. [0:48:49, 0:49:09]: own model, stand up and stand out through sisterhood, service, and scholarship. It's a true testament to the work being done in our commun local community. And now there are therefore I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtual authority vested in me as a mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and on behalf of City Council members Elton Alexander, Londa Barber, John Blount, Nakisha Gantton and Fonzel Thomas, to hereby proclaim [0:49:09, 0:49:25]: in recognition of a hundred year anniversary Simon Gamarose Award incorporated on this momentous occasion, and witness thereof I have here here unto set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia on the fourteenth day of November, the year of our Lord, two thousand twenty two, and I signed this loan when I clicked for Nessa Holiday. [0:49:27, 0:49:35]: Mic is yours. I can say something. [0:49:36, 0:49:41]: Uh as the president of the Lambda Sigma Sigma alumnate chapter here in Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:49:42, 0:50:01]: Uh I wanna thank the council, thanking Mayor Ford and all the council members because since we charted here, this council has been nothing but supportive of all of our events and we continue and will continue to give back to the communities um that we support from the schools to teaching our children how to swim to other things that we represent. So thank you so much for this honor. [0:50:03, 0:50:14]: Yeah, this uh this uh get her in here. Why counsel won't come down this way so we can uh get a picture with everybody. [0:50:15, 0:50:18]: Two ladies in the middle. Okay, you're defined, one. [0:50:21, 0:50:22]: Come on in folks. [0:50:25, 0:50:33]: Oh no, no, no, this side. Come on, come on, come on get next year. Okay, we good? [0:50:34, 0:50:35]: Yeah, [0:50:36, 0:50:39]: You want me to turn this way or this way towards me. Okay. [0:50:43, 0:50:44]: Okay. Okay. [0:50:57, 0:51:04]: Thank you. Can you take one to the phone? Yeah. Oh, I'm escaped. [0:51:09, 0:51:20]: Thank you so much. Congratulations, ladies. [0:51:47, 0:51:50]: Mayor, if you just recognize me, that would be great. [0:51:52, 0:51:54]: Yes, uh Councilman Alexander, please, go ahead, please. [0:51:55, 0:52:11]: Mayor, I want to uh make a motion to amend the agenda. I want to uh we there was number sixteen was mistakenly eliminated and we wanna put it back on. So I'm gonna make a motion to uh reinstate the uh mo number sixteen which was tabled. [0:52:11, 0:52:12]: All right, so a second? [0:52:14, 0:52:16]: Okay, Mayor Portem Second, any further discussion? [0:52:17, 0:52:18]: Okay, all in favor, please indicate. [0:52:19, 0:52:22]: All right, so you now see s uh uh Mr. Blount? [0:52:23, 0:52:31]: D are you you for favor? Okay, so you now have decisions. All right, it's back on. Alrighty. And on that note, uh [0:52:32, 0:52:33]: Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments at all? [0:52:37, 0:52:44]: Okay. On that note we have our first uh we had a public hearing. Uh let's see here. [0:52:45, 0:52:47]: Wait, can we go on? Public hearing. [0:52:47, 0:52:52]: Please uh during the public hearing folks, uh please mute all cell phones and electronic devices. [0:52:53, 0:52:58]: If anyone wishes to speak tonight on public hearing item, please fill out a form available on the table. [0:52:58, 0:53:01]: and hand it to the city clerk before approaching uh the podium. [0:53:02, 0:53:10]: After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by applicant and representatives regarding the proposed plans for properly along. [0:53:11, 0:53:17]: uh with any other relevant uh information. The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. [0:53:17, 0:53:23]: Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor or opposed to the case will have an opportunity to do so. [0:53:24, 0:53:29]: Each side will be allotted ten minutes total. Additional time may be expended at the discretion of the council. [0:53:30, 0:53:35]: Please keep comments and presentations professional, referring only to the facts that are pertinent to the case. [0:53:35, 0:53:39]: We will not allow comments or personal attacks toward any individual group. [0:53:39, 0:53:43]: Please refrain from applause or comments from the audience during the public hearing. [0:53:44, 0:53:56]: After the presiding officer recognizes the speaker, he or she shall direct all comments to the presiding officer and never to members of the council, staff, or audience. All comments must be made from the podium and [0:53:56, 0:54:00]: Where you are required to state your name, address for the record. [0:54:00, 0:54:03]: Please note that these hearings are not debated. [0:54:03, 0:54:23]: are not a debate, excuse me. Failure to comply with cause will c will cause you to be removed from the chamber and the buildings by law enforcement if you deviate from the police proceedings. Other than the applicant, no person shall speak more than once. The applicant may rever uh reverse part of his or her speaking time excuse me reserve. [0:54:23, 0:54:34]: part of his his or her speaking time as a rebuttal and may speak next and and last and may use the entire ten minutes allowed for the pro side of the application. [0:54:34, 0:54:45]: If questions are raised, the council may ask the applicant to address questions and or concerns. The presiding officer will call for a motion and a second to the motion and have any unnecessary discussion. [0:54:45, 0:54:49]: The matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for the vote. [0:54:49, 0:54:53]: to recommend approval or denial for the request. So this is our first item for public hearing. [0:54:54, 0:55:03]: Which is the first reading proposed FY twenty twenty three operating budget and capital improvement plan presented by Mr. Gardner and and Mr. Wiggins, please. [0:55:06, 0:55:07]: Mm-hmm. [0:55:07, 0:55:13]: Good night, Mayor, members of council, residents, uh [0:55:46, 0:55:47]: All right, there we go. [0:55:50, 0:55:52]: Uh [0:55:57, 0:55:59]: No. [0:56:08, 0:56:11]: And okay, just [0:56:39, 0:56:48]: All right. So tonight, Mayor Council, we we present to you the FY twenty three budget. Uh as part of this process, um, I will let you know that [0:56:48, 0:57:08]: In I guess my twelve years of doing this, this this budget has been the most trickiest of them all. Um and I'll talk to you about some of the factors that that make this a tricky budget. Um but definitely um we we propose a balance budget as we did at the first presentation, but there'll be some changes in the numbers. [0:57:08, 0:57:28]: And there will continue to be some changes as it relates to revenues. Remember that your budget is predicated on revenues, not the expenses. The revenues is what the state recognizes part of your budget. So what's in this proposed budget? Some of the things we didn't discuss before, obviously, no property tax millage is contained in this fiscal year's budget. [0:57:29, 0:57:49]: Um this fiscal year budget does have some increases, some of our permit fees to bring us up to to date with what's being done metro-wide. Um we were recommended for some fees as it relates to our cemeteries, um specifically because there's been folks burying people and not paying um or not paying the [0:57:49, 0:58:01]: right costs. Um, but also we have some increases in our water rates and that's consistent with faller and Henry County's when Henry County water authority goes up, we we mirror their increase as well. [0:58:03, 0:58:23]: Some of the opportunities and challenges uh as it relates to the budget. Um we continue to fund our uh public safety, our police department operations and requests for equipment. Uh some opportunities around uh SPLOSS, our special purpose local option sales tax, and our T SPROSS, making sure that those projects continue in earnest. [0:58:23, 0:58:34]: I think you guys have been proud of of how our public works staff have actually moved forward with making those projects um come to fruition, but also our support for economic development throughout the city. [0:58:35, 0:58:42]: and for potential new economic development sites, commercial sites that are proposing to come into the city um in the very near future. [0:58:42, 0:58:44]: Wanted uh the budget also. [0:58:44, 0:58:57]: um some of the opportunities around incentives for our downtown redevelopment, revitalization to provide incentive programs and as well as projects that will change the landscape as we know it within our downtown area. [0:58:57, 0:59:13]: Some of the challenges. One of the biggest challenges that we have is lost our local option sales taxes. You know, we finally came to an agreement with the county um after we originally submitted the budget to you guys. The trick herein is the county got their sixty-six [0:59:13, 0:59:16]: We have determined how we split the thirty four. [0:59:17, 0:59:19]: But there's also another trick in this. [0:59:19, 0:59:21]: That we found out from GMA. [0:59:22, 0:59:22]: It's dead. [0:59:23, 0:59:30]: At the time when we were going through this process, we were going through this process with a population based on the twenty twenty census. Well [0:59:32, 0:59:36]: As of November eighth, that population dynamics has changed. [0:59:37, 0:59:57]: And where do we actually get the additional um how can I say two point seven five roughly in loss? And who does that come from? Um we've been told by GMA that it comes from another entity other than our sister cities. So that's gonna play an important role on [0:59:57, 1:00:08]: and how that's distributed and accounted for. So that's some of the trickiness in in as it relates to to local option sales tax is that we still have to come up with a number [1:00:09, 1:00:13]: between the four cities and then we have to have a conversation with that entity. [1:00:13, 1:00:33]: other entity regarding um some additional sales stocks based on on the growth um that we just got, which is more than fif sixteen percent, fifteen percent of the city's existing population, but right around two point seven five percent of the county's population. [1:00:35, 1:00:39]: Some of the other challenges are gonna be around long term funding for our general fund. [1:00:39, 1:00:53]: via sales tax. I I think this discussion has been had a few times in the past before I got here, but definitely there's gonna have to be some look at at in that area as we move forward. Um and then also making sure that we manage our long term debt. [1:00:54, 1:01:09]: portfolios, you know, we've we've bonded some really cool projects in making sure that we stay consistent with making re making those debt payments um as we move forward with growth and other opportunities to look at debt service for other pro major projects. [1:01:15, 1:01:16]: Mm-hmm. [1:01:19, 1:01:30]: So remember we talked about gener uh general fund budget, which is recognized by Department of Revenue as the budget that should be submitted to them. It doesn't always include your citywide budget, but definitely your general fund budget. [1:01:31, 1:01:35]: Um one of our biggest obviously source of revenue when it comes to [1:01:35, 1:01:37]: Um general phone. [1:01:37, 1:01:49]: is gonna be uh loss local option sales tax. Uh and we're recommending that we increase that a little bit based on the percentage that we know we're gonna be entitled to as part of the new growth, the new uh [1:01:50, 1:01:53]: Changes in the loss negotiation is seven point four. [1:01:53, 1:02:13]: Alcohol beverages at right under seven hundred and seventy five seventy-six thousand. Insurance premium tax, uh, we'll see a slight in little decrease in there. We're still looking at that variable um because other communities are also looking at the number of insurance being written in their communities. And we're kind of consistent with the growth, continuous growth. Um [1:02:13, 1:02:20]: Um in the city as new businesses come in. So we'll definitely look at evaluating that between bringing back the final budget. [1:02:20, 1:02:27]: Um and then other taxes right around three point one million for a total of thirteen point five eight three million. [1:02:28, 1:02:29]: For the general fund revenues. [1:02:35, 1:02:55]: So when we talk about our source, um taxation is our number one source of revenue, which is makes up about sixty-four percent of, and that's sales tax, insurance premium tax, uh hotel motel tax, uh alcohol sales tax, liquor tax, um, those types of taxes that make up the bulk of [1:02:55, 1:02:56]: Yeah. [1:02:56, 1:03:15]: Um the next biggest source is our miscellaneous income and then uh license permits intergovernmental agreement, charge for services and fines and for and forfeitures. And obviously as you guys know, we're running our own police department, so you probably will see some increase in those over the next coming years as our police become more active in the community. [1:03:19, 1:03:21]: Looking at our three year comparison. [1:03:21, 1:03:25]: Um between what we've done from twenty twenty to twenty twenty one. [1:03:25, 1:03:35]: specifically in the general fund areas around taxation license and the governmental agreements, uh and the governmental uh revenues, um, coming up to a total [1:03:36, 1:03:49]: Excuse me, total revenue of twenty four point eight million for this fiscal year. And once again, that's predicated on us receiving additional sales tax as well as us receiving uh rollback. [1:03:49, 1:03:53]: That we negotiated recently with the county, and I think that's on the agenda. [1:03:54, 1:03:55]: I should be on the agenda tonight. [1:03:56, 1:03:57]: For us to um [1:03:57, 1:04:04]: send that official letter to Henry County so that we can acquire our two point four two point two four million dollars and um [1:04:05, 1:04:06]: And roll back. [1:04:06, 1:04:18]: to fund the police department. And I will say that once we get that money, that money will not go into the general pool as it relates to the general fund. It's gonna go in a special fund specific to the police department because that's where [1:04:18, 1:04:24]: It originally was intended to go from the taxpayers to Henry County for Henry County Police Service. [1:04:24, 1:04:26]: We will make sure that that does not co-mingle. [1:04:27, 1:04:28]: with any general fund activity. [1:04:31, 1:04:39]: And so with that comes where do we spend those general fund revenues? Um, the bulk of it obviously at thirty-four percent goes to the police department. [1:04:40, 1:04:40]: And [1:04:42, 1:05:02]: To the police department. And that'll be slightly higher if you include the cost, cost, cost for court. Say that five three times. Um, that will number would jump up to close to almost forty percent. Our next biggest department is our public works department, this funded with general fund, and that includes all of our local parks as well as [1:05:02, 1:05:09]: uh regular street programs, uh road maintenance programs and billing programs, uh out of uh [1:05:09, 1:05:12]: the public works department. Planning and zoning is at ten percent. [1:05:14, 1:05:31]: And obviously that's a crucial fund crucial department as we move forward with developing and growing the city. Um economic development is right around two percent and the rest of the departments come in under five, which includes our building maintenance, um, our finance department, executive department, and so forth. [1:05:32, 1:05:44]: Mayor. Yes sir. If we could stop right there, could you rewind to the previous uh apply? I I I want to look at this pie here and I want um [1:05:44, 1:05:47]: for the benefit of everyone here, the council [1:05:47, 1:05:49]: And the public. [1:05:49, 1:06:09]: Well there is a lot of talk about, you know, the s expenses for the city. And uh I just wanna understand and I wanna make sure that I'm clear on this. The general buildings, the government buildings includes all city facilities, correct? That's correct. Okay. That includes Merrymanders, that includes City Hall. Merlimanders chaired, this building. [1:06:09, 1:06:22]: in the police department and other public works associated with the other. The amphitheaters? Yes. The amphitheater? Yes. And all of these entities, right? Okay. Because all of those included [1:06:23, 1:06:26]: Mm encompass. What percent did you have there? [1:06:27, 1:06:42]: For building government buildings? Mm-hmm. Uh right at five percent. So all of these entities, including the amphitheater, represent a total of five percent of the budget. We hear a lot of talk out there about how much go ahead. [1:06:42, 1:07:02]: But that's that's a that's as it released to maintenance. Race right, right. Of course. I'm talking about the overall upkeep general fund budget. The amphitheaters hit the an this the Merr Manders hit, the city halls hit general maintenance and everything as it refers to all of those buildings. [1:07:02, 1:07:03]: Buildings, correct? [1:07:03, 1:07:23]: Correct. Not not the of course not the death service because that we pay a lot of that out of splots and other categories. But in terms of the overall hit to the budget, that represents five percent, correct? That is correct. Okay. That's what I want to that's what I want to hit on right there, to understand the decisions that we're making. We spend a lot of time talk talking and the public spends a lot of time and there's a lot of [1:07:23, 1:07:43]: lot of misinformation out there about what the impact on maintenance. That's the discussion that we hear a lot of in the public purview about the maintenance being all of these thousands of dollars every month. It represents a microc of five total percent of the budget for all of the city buildings. So in in your budget. Yes and and and realize [1:07:43, 1:07:48]: Um the majority of our our buildings um [1:07:49, 1:07:59]: uh under twenty years old. Mm-hmm. Right? Um, Merle Manders, this building were all built in oh nine, teared stricken oh nine. Um [1:08:00, 1:08:02]: Let's see the all [1:08:02, 1:08:20]: City Hall building as I know it is now the police department. The police department. You know, that was built years ago, obviously, and that's being renovated. So when you talk about the OM costs, the newer your building, the lower you pay for OM costs. It's like your house. The older your house, the younger your house is, the newer your house is, the less you pay on [1:08:21, 1:08:34]: operations and maintenance. As your house age and the mechanics mechanical within that house age, obviously your costs go up. Now, are there variants? Yes, like if you had a bad builder and they build some crappy stuff and give you [1:08:35, 1:08:55]: You'll have some costs that typically you don't associate. But definitely most of our buildings right now are under 20 years old. And we will continue to see low maintenance costs on a lot of those buildings for the near-foreseeable future. But obviously as they get closer to 20, 25, 30 years old, those maintenance. [1:08:55, 1:09:02]: Those OM costs will start to creep up. But right now that's where we are. Especially on a brand new building, right? Okay. Thank you. [1:09:10, 1:09:27]: So as I me I mentioned before, our overall city budget is now set at fifty three. I think when we presented last time to you guys it was a set at forty nine and change. And once again that's because we're recognizing the increase in sales tax that percentage wise that the city will get. Um [1:09:28, 1:09:45]: And that's obviously still up for negotiation because we still haven't come to a final conclusion on our split of the thirty-four and what it's gonna take to get that extra two point something that we need from the county per the law, as we were were told by GMA. [1:09:45, 1:09:51]: Um that's gonna play a critical role obviously in our final numbers that we'll bring back to you guys in December. [1:09:52, 1:10:05]: You know, we don't see our expensive numbers moving anywhere. We do expect some juggling in the in the revenues based on what's happening with lost. Um that's gonna play a huge role. Uh Mr. Gardner uh question though. [1:10:05, 1:10:13]: I just I guess it's this is a common sense type question here, really, because of our success on November eighth and the fact that effectively one January [1:10:13, 1:10:21]: we're gonna increase in size. So otherwise this budget, as we look at those numbers, this budget is obviously going to change somewhat to a certain degree, I would imagine. [1:10:22, 1:10:24]: Before we approve it in December, is that correct? [1:10:24, 1:10:44]: Correct. So the the key for us is we have until December thirty first. Okay. Enriched the sign of our loss agreement solidified and that's between the city and the counties and the cities and the cities. Okay. Right. Um I know there's call, I saw email a call for us to start having discussions amongst the cities. Um [1:10:44, 1:10:52]: um and what that distribution would be and you know how w how we will effectuate the distribution of those based on, you know [1:10:52, 1:10:57]: as it that happened ten years ago when I was a part of the process with the city of McDonough. [1:10:57, 1:10:59]: City of McDonough and [1:10:59, 1:11:04]: Stargridge gave to some of our smaller sister cities who weren't growing as fast, and so they saw [1:11:05, 1:11:10]: uh neck n little to no growth in their sales stocks and that's why they give we might have to do that again. [1:11:11, 1:11:28]: Um with some of our sister cities. And so what that's gonna how that's gonna affect what that percentage will work out to, we don't know yet. We haven't gotten to that point. Um and then obviously the fact that we brought in close to seven new seven thousand new residents into the city, somewhere between there, is gonna play a role as to [1:11:29, 1:11:49]: That percentage and then where do we get that percentage from? We're being told that it comes not from our three city sisters, but from our big sister. Uh and so that's a discussion that's gonna be have to hide. And uh not looking forward to that. But you gotta do it. That is correct. I mean what's what's what's due to us? [1:11:49, 1:11:57]: is due to us and and we shall go after it. Yes. So okay. You know, at some point we will settle on a revenue number. [1:11:57, 1:12:17]: Um and if we get above that revenue number, we'll obviously make the change as a budget amendment in the new year because we don't know how long this talk is gonna last us before our effective date. Um and that's just part of the budget process. It's meant to be amended, it's not a it's not the Bible or the Constitution, it's a living breeding document. [1:12:17, 1:12:19]: Thank you. Appreciate it. Mayor have a call. Sir, go ahead, please. [1:12:21, 1:12:35]: Mr. Gardner, the uh general funded tax revenue projection for 22 uh 2023 is 13 million, a little bit point five million, thirteen um five eighty-three. [1:12:36, 1:12:43]: Um the revenue expenditures set is at twenty two one ninety three. [1:12:44, 1:13:04]: This is only this is only looking at your tax the taxes that you collect. So this is not permitting and some of the other offset costs. So this is looking at your taxation level. So your sales tax, your al your alcohol tax, your insurance premium tax. This number does not reflect permit fees, fines, forfeitures, those other types of of [1:13:04, 1:13:12]: Of revenues that we get is just looking at your taxation side of the house that most people are always concerned about, right? What do we pay in taxes? [1:13:13, 1:13:33]: Most people worry about property tax, but in this case we illustrate the sales tax portion of the house. So we did this presentation a month ago when we did the first presentation to you guys and broke it out this way. At this point I could only go by what I see. Yes, sir. So and what and what's being presented to us and what's being presented to us all of that [1:13:33, 1:13:35]: That's that's everything in a nutshell right there for you. [1:13:36, 1:13:49]: And so when we say that we're going to have an increase and you're going there with this, I'm just trying to hear where we how are we closing the gap. [1:13:50, 1:13:52]: And and and expenditures versus [1:13:53, 1:13:54]: Revenue coming in. [1:13:55, 1:14:00]: Right. We just I just mentioned to you that uh expenses uh [1:14:02, 1:14:22]: Set right now at a certain level based on some of the recommended changes that we got from council. Um that we need to make some changes there. But those are already set. The key for us is the revenue side of the house is still a little undetermined because of the fact that we have not negotiated on our largest source of revenue, which is law. [1:14:22, 1:14:25]: [4465.9, 4467.6]: Right? We still have to negotiate. [1:14:27, 1:14:29]: a distribution number. [1:14:29, 1:14:31]: А та сам тайна ви стіль. [1:14:32, 1:14:33]: To give you a budget. [1:14:34, 1:14:41]: Right. And that budget is predicated on our best information that we have at hand that we can go by. [1:14:42, 1:14:46]: Right. If this was a non tr if this was a traditional year it'd be easy. [1:14:46, 1:14:59]: where we know what our sales tax is going to be because we know what the percentages and we guess what the growth in the and the sales will be. This year we don't know because we are in a negotiating year. And unfortunate [1:14:59, 1:15:16]: This is take this process has taken us to where we are in terms of just getting approval from the county to the 6634. But now we have to go to the second part on, and that is how do Locust Grove, Hampton, Stockbridge, and McDonough distribute the 34%. [1:15:17, 1:15:29]: So until we get to that number, we won't it's still a guessing game, but because our year is a January to December versus other folks who said July to Ju to June. [1:15:29, 1:15:46]: We're not catch twenty two because we're sitting here waiting to see what that number is gonna be and at some point we just have to settle on a number. And if that number then is p negotiated and certified is a little higher, we we recognize the value. If it comes in a lower, we make the cuts and we recognize the revenue. [1:15:48, 1:15:58]: I I appreciate that, Mr. Garner. Uh one of the things that has concerned me, uh, because one of the things I've looked at is is the numbers. [1:15:59, 1:16:07]: And when we talk about numbers, we're talking about this is the first time since I've been on this council, we're balancing our budget with fund balance. [1:16:07, 1:16:08]: That's not true. [1:16:09, 1:16:16]: Our budget was at seven thousand. Uh seven uh around twelve million. Your last year's budget was was budgeted with some fund balance, so [1:16:17, 1:16:37]: with some fund balance. Yes. And I'm not saying this for argumentative purposes. I'm just trying to make sure that when we present this budget, we present what is needed, that we're identifying every elephant in the room and being open and transparent with the citizens about what is needed for this for this city that has bonded$25 million, that has started his own police [1:16:37, 1:16:47]: Department that's had so much going on. How are we going to sustain this? And that's why I come with numbers and I want to see numbers. And I'll um what's presented tonight. [1:16:48, 1:16:51]: right now and what we have to go by right now. [1:16:51, 1:16:55]: is is not the full picture. [1:16:55, 1:16:59]: Of transparency because what was given prior to tonight. [1:17:00, 1:17:04]: With us. Uh y is there something something wrong, Mr. Garner? No, sir. [1:17:06, 1:17:09]: I just want us to make sure that we're getting the numbers. [1:17:09, 1:17:11]: where they need to be. [1:17:20, 1:17:20]: Yes, sir. [1:17:21, 1:17:41]: Because you g you you have another projection that's on here that shows a projection of budget twenty twenty up uh twenty four million. That's almost double that's double of what we what the budget was almost two years ago. And so there's there's not a negoti enough in negotiations with the county. [1:17:41, 1:17:41]: Mm-hmm. [1:17:41, 1:17:43]: That's gonna close that gap. [1:17:44, 1:17:46]: Sir you can't [1:17:46, 1:18:06]: Okay. Every budget year is different. They're not the same because every year you're going to have requests for a little bit more to do a little bit more. And when your budget grows, and that's how most communities that are growing, their budget does the same thing. So you can't compare the city's budget to what it was ten years ago. Yes, you look at it from a comparison. [1:18:06, 1:18:07]: [4687.8, 4694.1]: But to say where we are today is the same as where we were in twenty twenty or twenty twenty nine, it's a different world. [1:18:14, 1:18:26]: Because when councils say we want to see more of this happening or more of that happening, these things increase or when we operationally see that certain things need to happen, that increases your need for your budget. [1:18:26, 1:18:32]: for you to provide provide those services to the citizens. So to say yes, this is what happened and [1:18:32, 1:18:34]: We are being transparent. [1:18:35, 1:18:37]: And the way we're presenting the information. [1:18:37, 1:18:44]: In terms of what this budget requires, the information is right here. You you wanna ask questions, ask question, but [1:18:44, 1:18:49]: We're not we're not hiding anything from the residents of the city we're we're not as [1:18:49, 1:19:05]: I never said I never said let me let me say this. I never said the city was hiding anything. You could you you could let me s let me finish, Ms. Gunn. You could change the focus on a lens and see the same thing, but you see it brighter. And we are the product of the decisions we make on this council. [1:19:06, 1:19:07]: This whole city is. [1:19:08, 1:19:15]: But what was told to us on the progression of what we've already this council has already approved. [1:19:16, 1:19:17]: We are not addressing [1:19:18, 1:19:21]: What it's gonna take for us [1:19:21, 1:19:25]: in the future to accommodate for all of this revenue. [1:19:25, 1:19:27]: uh for all of these expenditures. [1:19:28, 1:19:29]: That's not on this paper. [1:19:30, 1:19:32]: So this hold on let me say this. [1:19:32, 1:19:37]: Not one counselor here, and not myself, and they have everybody got it except me. [1:19:37, 1:19:40]: I've yet to get one piece of paper to show. [1:19:40, 1:19:45]: Ані фенчованто субстей осіб. [1:19:45, 1:19:53]: For what the expenditure's been put out there. This is what I'm talking about. We're right here at the end we we're in with we're in mid November. [1:19:53, 1:19:54]: With a budget right now. [1:19:55, 1:19:56]: To go into the new year. [1:19:58, 1:20:04]: And when we talk about transparency and we talk about being open and talking to the citizens, I'm not trying to say anybody's hiding anything. [1:20:05, 1:20:10]: I'm saying that we lay everything out on the table, first of all giving it to this council, and then we present it to the public. [1:20:11, 1:20:25]: I don't see that being done. So so Mr Mr Blount, what you're saying is you're not seeing what twenty twenty four budget is gonna look like or twenty twenty five budget is gonna look like. Well, unfortunate we're not charge grid providing [1:20:25, 1:20:40]: Multi-year budget to council, we're charged with providing a fiscal year budget, which means the upcoming fiscal year. Mr. Garner, five to you comment, I have an analysis done from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty-four. Okay. And what was and what was done in that analysis through our financial advisors. [1:20:40, 1:20:44]: And our treasurer, that announcement, let me finish, sir, please. [1:20:45, 1:21:05]: That analysis showed a projection of what we would do. All we can do go by is propose and propose numbers that we may have. And if that's the case, then I haven't seen a proposed projection to show sustainability. So once again, so you had a projection done by your financial advisor probably. [1:21:05, 1:21:09]: probably during either before or during the budget or somewhere in between. [1:21:10, 1:21:19]: Yes, that's that's fine to look at where you're hoping that where things will be. But your budget is your yearly s yearly budget and [1:21:20, 1:21:34]: It's not a y you're not we're not charged with presenting a multi year budget to you. That's different from you asking a financial advisor, Hey, um where do you see us five years from now? And they paint that try to paint that picture to you. [1:21:35, 1:21:45]: We're charged with providing an annual operating and capital budget on a annual, which means year basis. No, if it's if it's if it's this if this is for now. [1:21:45, 1:21:51]: But the transparency is is that we're now pulling funds to now balance our budget. [1:21:51, 1:22:02]: Yes, sir. And and I will tell you that we're not the only city around the country. I'm not concerned about any city except the city of Stockholm. Can I finish any other cities? [1:22:03, 1:22:08]: I'm only concerned about the city of Stockbury. Understood. And and if if you could let me finish, Mr. Blount. [1:22:09, 1:22:10]: Right. [1:22:10, 1:22:17]: Um you tell me I cut you off, so I'm quiet. So here's it, right? I said in here some of the challenges that we have. [1:22:17, 1:22:33]: Some of the challenges is going to be around our loss distribution and knowing what the level will be at this time. Then I said here, our long-term funding for general fund operations via sales tax only is going to be a challenge. [1:22:34, 1:22:38]: That's what I said right here in front of you. There is no ambiguity in that. That is specific. [1:22:39, 1:22:44]: Now how the discussion goes upon that is probably not a discussion for today. [1:22:44, 1:23:01]: But something that may and council might want to discuss moving forward at a different time about hey, how do we address our long-term viability in light of our growth and development? And how do we pay for what we want what the citizens want is the continued higher level of service provided to them. [1:23:01, 1:23:03]: That's a totally different discussion, sir. [1:23:05, 1:23:06]: Mayor Ford. Go ahead, sir. Mayor Portem. [1:23:08, 1:23:12]: Mr. Gardner, I I I appreciate the dialogue. Um [1:23:13, 1:23:14]: You present it [1:23:15, 1:23:24]: a budget to us before and to my knowledge I was the only one that responded to that. [1:23:25, 1:23:35]: Uh this is the first reading, but I'm enjoying this this dialogue and this conversation. I just wish I could have gotten a little bit more of this. [1:23:35, 1:23:38]: From the council. [1:23:38, 1:23:40]: Incrementali [1:23:40, 1:23:41]: As opposed to [1:23:42, 1:23:43]: All of this in the first reading. [1:23:44, 1:23:47]: So I just want to thank you for responding. [1:23:47, 1:23:54]: to to my questions. I know it was pretty lengthy and I carpet all of the council members on that. [1:23:55, 1:23:58]: So I would appreciate that we [1:23:59, 1:24:00]: Sort of spread this out. [1:24:01, 1:24:03]: And and I didn't see any comments. [1:24:03, 1:24:05]: Based on [1:24:05, 1:24:07]: The question that I asked was [1:24:07, 1:24:11]: But it all goes back to this conversation tonight. [1:24:11, 1:24:14]: So my message to the council is [1:24:19, 1:24:21]: My message to the council is [1:24:23, 1:24:25]: When you asked us to [1:24:26, 1:24:27]: Give you feedback. [1:24:28, 1:24:30]: I think this is what we must do. [1:24:31, 1:24:38]: We can't do it all here tonight in this first reading, even though we know that this budget has to be adopted and [1:24:38, 1:24:40]: Uh in December. [1:24:40, 1:24:42]: But I think if we [1:24:42, 1:25:02]: Take those opportunities to ask those questions um as we go along, then I think we have a better understanding. And I and I just wanna say that because I do have I have other questions, just like uh Councilman Blount, and you know me, so you know I have quite a few questions, but I'm gonna hold my questions. [1:25:02, 1:25:12]: and I will just send those to you. Just like before, uh I sent you a book and and you responded back to my book and I appreciate that. And so [1:25:13, 1:25:15]: My recommendation to the council is [1:25:15, 1:25:18]: Let's give you those questions. [1:25:18, 1:25:23]: Let's get'em back so we can finalize this. But in this first reading tonight. [1:25:23, 1:25:24]: Um [1:25:24, 1:25:27]: To drill and drill and drill [1:25:28, 1:25:30]: I don't know if we're gonna get what we need. [1:25:30, 1:25:38]: But I do appreciate this this dialogue, but I and I just want to say that, but I think it's it's a good habit and as you know, well [1:25:38, 1:25:50]: This is your first year, but this council know that this is a process I go through every year. I drill deep in and I ask the question and I appreciate your response back. And I do help other [1:25:50, 1:26:10]: Questions. Question based on your response to the first question. That's fine. All right. And and I will say, you know, as we go through this process, obviously, yes, this is the this is my first budget with you guys. Um that that and I've learned a lot. All right. And so part of that is making [1:26:10, 1:26:30]: some some um corrective actions based on some of the comments I've heard um as we develop 24's budget, FY24 budget, and realizing that probably what I need to do is add that, add after we go being the staff go through the budget and we come up with it, add that workshop so we can have this discussion. [1:26:29, 1:26:48]: with more time and and perspective and get everybody's situation there and then bring bring it back. So that's that's something I l I'm looking thinking about amending the next year's process to make that happen. And and let me just add this man if I may. Correct sir. That was one of the reasons uh I expressed to you one of my concerns [1:26:49, 1:26:51]: I felt that this process [1:26:52, 1:26:53]: should have started earlier. [1:26:54, 1:26:55]: You know, um [1:26:56, 1:26:57]: Хісториклі [1:26:57, 1:26:59]: We have had a budget retreat. [1:27:00, 1:27:03]: And this is where we took the deep dive. [1:27:03, 1:27:11]: Um but you chose not to do that. Now I know it is the council's authority to [1:27:12, 1:27:14]: set how we do this. [1:27:14, 1:27:17]: But uh no one objected to that. [1:27:17, 1:27:18]: Um [1:27:19, 1:27:22]: I know you looking like, you know, what am I talking about? [1:27:22, 1:27:28]: And I don't wanna quote the charter as far as the council's responsibility as far as [1:27:29, 1:27:36]: Who sets the procedure and the process, how we come to the budget? And I will say that. [1:27:36, 1:27:40]: The city manager is charged with preparing that. [1:27:40, 1:27:42]: But the council [1:27:42, 1:27:45]: set the policies as to how to. [1:27:45, 1:27:47]: But I don't want to get into that, but I just [1:27:47, 1:28:02]: I was a little concerned that we did not have the budget retreat because I felt we needed a little bit more time uh to do that, but you chose not to and so that here we are. But I'm okay with that because like I say, if you're willing to accept [1:28:02, 1:28:09]: um my fifty questions and and give me fifty answers, I I'm okay with that. [1:28:09, 1:28:13]: Okay. Thank you sir. May I just want to say this real quick for clarity. [1:28:14, 1:28:21]: That's not one question or one statement I've made tonight that haven't been made behind closed doors. [1:28:23, 1:28:30]: Everything that I'm saying to tonight has been said before. One of the things that I I I do. [1:28:31, 1:28:40]: If I have concerns, I'm a citizen in the city of Stockbridge first. If I have concerns, I've said them behind closed doors, and I'm saying them out front. [1:28:41, 1:28:44]: So I can tell you before every council m meeting. [1:28:45, 1:28:49]: One of the things that they can rest assured is I'm gonna ask the questions. [1:28:50, 1:28:52]: And I'm going to get answers. [1:28:52, 1:28:58]: And when something doesn't sound right, I'm going to tell you. That's how I operate. [1:28:59, 1:29:00]: Ms. Gamp, please. [1:29:00, 1:29:02]: Thank you. [1:29:03, 1:29:23]: Um I I wanna talk real quick about loss. I jotted down some notes. Um the last meeting that we had jointly with the cities, well it wasn't a official meeting, we w went down to the county. Um I did speak with two commissioners and stated that maybe we shouldn't vote on lost until after the elections. [1:29:23, 1:29:43]: And that was specifically because of this annexation. So I per I believe that it was voted on early on purpose. That's number one. Number two, because now we have to go back possibly and renegotiate because of the seven based off of GMA and other advice that we received. [1:29:43, 1:29:46]: um for that portion. Um [1:29:47, 1:30:01]: In regards to no comments on the emails from Mayor Mayor Pro Tem, there was a lot of questions and we received a lot of responses. So we actually received those answers, so I'm I'm taking that in. [1:30:03, 1:30:11]: If we look at the budget from twenty twenty until twenty twenty two, it has doubled. It did exactly what the financial advisor stated. [1:30:13, 1:30:14]: Again. [1:30:15, 1:30:22]: This is something that I discussed last year. I know it was campaign season, but it is what it is. It was the truth. [1:30:23, 1:30:28]: And I don't have any I I really appreciate our police department. I do. [1:30:30, 1:30:39]: Chief Train was doing an excellent job. I get it. As I've always said, I've always been for a police department. I just wanted to do things in a different manner. [1:30:41, 1:30:42]: We're here now. [1:30:43, 1:30:50]: I just wanna know that in twenty twenty one the budget increased by six million. [1:30:52, 1:31:04]: I'm sorry, in twenty twenty two the budget increased by six million. Now we're saying we're gonna increase it again additional six million. Is that in consideration of the annexation? [1:31:05, 1:31:06]: Or [1:31:07, 1:31:27]: And also have we taken to c into consideration what our public works department needs will be? Is that all a part of this or do we need to amend or do we some things need to switch up because of the most recent election? Were we prepared? [1:31:27, 1:31:28]: Prepared for it. [1:31:28, 1:31:48]: Good question. Um, thank you, ma'am. And and the answer to that is is yes and no. And so originally obviously when we did the hand handed the budget to you guys back in um October tenth, you know, we had no idea of whether or not the annexation was gonna pass or not pass, right? And so [1:31:49, 1:31:49]: You know. [1:31:50, 1:31:53]: airing obviously because obviously that's a fifty fifty shot in the dark. We [1:31:54, 1:32:13]: We budget accordingly. I will tell you that as we look towards When when you say budget accordingly, are you budgeting accordingly? Because we couldn't guess. We couldn't guess that it uh we I mean being prudent uh you know, obviously it's [1:32:14, 1:32:20]: Th it's just it's a short either way. Um we made I made the decision to go with what we are now. [1:32:21, 1:32:41]: Because we weren't sure whether or not we were gonna get annexation passed or not. Um, even though we did a very good job at getting information out there, that still was a fifty-fifty short in the dark. And so my level of confidentity was go with what we where we are today. And if we have to make any changes, we'll make those changes. [1:32:41, 1:32:53]: as as we move forward. Um rather than having to scale up and folks ask, well why are we so high and have to scale back? Well, scaling back is not our answer when you're developing a budget. [1:32:53, 1:33:07]: Um the key here is, you know, through this process will we have the revenues necessary to cover for the increase and realize this is one quick analysis I did the other day. [1:33:09, 1:33:12]: Um we brought in three new hotels. [1:33:15, 1:33:20]: We are bringing in three new Hilton. Okay. Um, you we got the Hilton [1:33:21, 1:33:24]: Garden and sweets on one thirty eight and nine seventy five. [1:33:24, 1:33:25]: The red woof in. [1:33:26, 1:33:27]: And the travel lounge. [1:33:28, 1:33:31]: Those were the only hotels I think that came in the city's part of the last session. [1:33:31, 1:33:40]: And the holiday. H me, excuse me, the holiday and across the street. Holiday and the suites, across the street on one thirty eighth. So you're talking about hotel motil too. So so those are three three hotels that came in. [1:33:40, 1:33:41]: Um [1:33:42, 1:33:47]: We had a myriad of mixed commercial that came into the city as well. [1:33:47, 1:33:48]: But [1:33:48, 1:33:49]: The [1:33:50, 1:33:54]: Yeah, the ho but the funny part with that is the hospital don't pay any taxes to us. [1:33:54, 1:33:55]: They're just a name. [1:33:56, 1:34:05]: They don't pay sales tax, they don't pay property tax, they're exempt from sales tax. I made sure I went back and looked and checked that out. Um [1:34:06, 1:34:07]: They don't [1:34:10, 1:34:10]: Yeah. [1:34:11, 1:34:15]: I d I don't know. I I I've I've talked to I've [1:34:15, 1:34:22]: I was spoken to a couple of financial experts just because I wanted to make sure what I was reading in the law was correct. [1:34:22, 1:34:28]: They are they are considered a five oh one C three non non profit organization under [1:34:29, 1:34:38]: under Piedmont and under the state law, those type of organizations, hotels, um, mental clinics and so forth are exempt from sales and use tax. [1:34:39, 1:34:39]: Um. [1:34:40, 1:34:41]: I I also [1:34:42, 1:34:46]: Am a believer. We hear it all the time that we always want to be ahead of the curve. I'd rather be [1:34:49, 1:35:00]: Um, as a business owner, we always wanna set our pri you it's no problem setting your price higher and reduce it, but it's a problem when you have it lower and have to go higher. [1:35:01, 1:35:08]: And so that's where I am right now. Those are m some of the concerns that I have. [1:35:08, 1:35:11]: Um, along with uh you know, fund balance. [1:35:12, 1:35:17]: Um we say it all the time. [1:35:18, 1:35:38]: But um I I do want some of those answers just to give you a heads up if we can kinda figure out what our public works what what is everyone gonna need because uh let's get it let's understand it's seven thousand plus residents, not necessarily seven thousand homes or area, right? [1:35:38, 1:35:40]: [5740.9, 5760.9]: Uh we we do need to understand that these are not necessarily rooftops. You know. Hopefully we got some people that got twelve twelve people in the house, I hope. But um yeah I what I'm saying to you is it's not the rooftops, it's the population and and I'll although I'm excited and I know it it was needed. [1:36:00, 1:36:05]: It's well needed to fill in those gaps. Um [1:36:06, 1:36:15]: I do wanna make sure that the services are provided with a class service as always. And I wanna know what that dollar amount is gonna be. [1:36:16, 1:36:17]: That's it. [1:36:17, 1:36:37]: And I will tell you, uh Councilmember Gantt too, um obviously our public work department is gonna have to go in those areas and rate those streets and rate the sidewalks. Um and based on those ratings, obviously they'll fall into the into the program based on where they are, um, and then they'll be [1:36:37, 1:36:47]: f you know, we'll roll them into the funding as part of the SPLOS or the L Meg program and that number should change as well in terms of our LMEG distribution will be on our new population. [1:36:47, 1:36:51]: In the next year, so that number will go up as well. Does splash change? [1:36:51, 1:36:52]: Sploss does not. [1:36:52, 1:36:53]: Splash is said. [1:36:56, 1:36:57]: Miss Barber, please. [1:36:58, 1:37:02]: Mr Gardner, um, did you finish your presentation? [1:37:03, 1:37:10]: Pretty much. I wanted to hold my questions until after you were done with the question. So with the thirty four percent [1:37:10, 1:37:15]: Um expenditure by departments for the police department. [1:37:16, 1:37:19]: Did you take into account the grants and [1:37:20, 1:37:25]: Other state federal funds, uh, the police department has been able to [1:37:26, 1:37:31]: Because they've done a great job of identifying grants. [1:37:31, 1:37:38]: So so that that thirty four percent is their operational cost outside of any grants that they may get, right? [1:37:38, 1:37:40]: Because we have to be [1:37:41, 1:37:56]: Once again, we're we're a grant is especially the grants we apply for are competitive, right? Um but um when we talk about their their share of the overall budget is thirty-four percent. [1:37:56, 1:38:01]: as it relates to the use of our our revenues, you know. [1:38:03, 1:38:15]: If they get a million dollar grant, that that helps, right? Because their budget is close to five to six million dollars. That's a sizable. But you know, a twenty five thousand dollar grant and a six million pocket pocket. [1:38:16, 1:38:36]: You know, it doesn't have that much of a dent in terms of bringing the percentage of what you know what they would get through other means down to a point where it's where it's where it makes a difference. So, you know, yes, d going after the grants we have to continue to go after those sources of funding. But when we talk about [1:38:36, 1:38:49]: their percentage of thirty-four percent of the general fund budget. You know, we still grants are not gonna cover all their salaries, not gonna cover all their equipment, it's not gonna cover all the cars, all the other stuff that they have to pay for. [1:38:50, 1:38:54]: But we could knock off chunks of that as we go. It's just prudent. [1:38:54, 1:39:01]: Um, but that's number just a reflection of what their overall cost, their budget cost is from the total buy. [1:39:02, 1:39:07]: That's all it is. Yeah. Thank you for that. And thank you also for pointing out the fact that [1:39:07, 1:39:09]: after this annexation. [1:39:10, 1:39:12]: us bringing in the seven thousand [1:39:13, 1:39:14]: as residents. [1:39:14, 1:39:15]: And how [1:39:16, 1:39:18]: That affects our loss. [1:39:18, 1:39:21]: percentage. Um I was thinking about that last night. [1:39:22, 1:39:25]: So we will need to go back before the border. [1:39:25, 1:39:26]: Commissioners. [1:39:26, 1:39:28]: And ask for. [1:39:28, 1:39:40]: Um that share of the seven thousand plus. That's what it's looking like. And and I know our attorneys are uh are verifying the information that we got from GMA. [1:39:41, 1:39:46]: GMA pretty much said that if your population to annexation grows by more than fifteen percent. [1:39:47, 1:39:49]: That that fifteen percent [1:39:49, 1:39:51]: Can't come from [1:39:51, 1:40:00]: the portion that the cities have negotiated with the county, it has to come from the county in which that percentage came from. So [1:40:02, 1:40:08]: We annexed in more than fifteen percent. It's around sixteen point something percent of our population was annexed in. [1:40:09, 1:40:10]: That number [1:40:11, 1:40:21]: I know, and we still roughly we're guessing between sixty s sixty six hundred and seven thousand. So I used the sixty six number in my calculations, right? Um [1:40:24, 1:40:30]: That number represent about two point seven five percent of Henry County's two hundred and forty thousand people population. [1:40:32, 1:40:33]: So hence [1:40:36, 1:40:42]: That might be the number we need to be talking about, right? That two point seven five percent of the sales taxes what we might be coming after. [1:40:43, 1:40:43]: You know [1:40:44, 1:40:47]: Going back to what we had discussed with them, population. [1:40:47, 1:40:57]: Right. And we ended up going on a mix of whatever that was we negotiated with them that kept us where we are was a mix of everything. Um [1:40:58, 1:41:18]: So that's a process we have to go through to try to get that from them. But first we want to make we we're verifying that, and not that I think that Rushi isn't a j good, great general counsel. I've worked with him for 20 years almost. Um but if Rushi says that that's what it is, it's probably what it is, and we just have to figure out the process. [1:41:18, 1:41:21]: process of going and getting the money and and then [1:41:22, 1:41:36]: Is the county gonna be amenable to it and what that's gonna look like? Well that's in terms of the loss. Yes. What about for public safety? Because those same agreed you'll be taking the same approach with public safety as well. [1:41:36, 1:41:41]: Yeah, so on the agenda tonight is the resolution for us to to um [1:41:42, 1:41:45]: asked to request the for the one [1:41:45, 1:42:01]: The one point nine oh four millage rate, um which is a half the year that they asked us to at the meeting we were at a month last month. But that is for current for that is for current residents of Stockorage. I'm speaking in terms of [1:42:01, 1:42:02]: The new [1:42:02, 1:42:05]: residents that have been annexed in. [1:42:06, 1:42:26]: Will you also be going back to the county to request to negotiate that percentage as well? Lost in public safety. Yeah. So I would believe the answer is yes. That number yes, and that no so that number will that percentage number will change. [1:42:26, 1:42:46]: Obviously, and and here's the fact that I know they're gonna say that okay, the election passed in 08 it on November 8th, and obviously there was only one more month left in the year. So hence we we'll pay you all for this amount of month. So I get that. The second half of the year, which they said we have to come. [1:42:45, 1:43:05]: Come back and request. Obviously, that number needs to reflect where we were under the 2020 census plus where we are with the annexation, what that percentage would be. Yes. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Sir. Go right ahead, Mr. Alexander. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate the presentation. I think we just re at common sense right now. [1:43:05, 1:43:25]: Lost we 7,000 residents came into the city that we're responsible for their public safety, their planning and zoning, and all of the above. So pretty much they understand that the public safety took weight off of them. The fact that we were able to put total personnel, 62%. [1:43:25, 1:43:45]: plus 50 plus officers on the street took weight off of them. It allowed them to redistribute those officers to outline areas. And I tell everybody this all the time. What we did and the courageous decision that we made made everybody in Henry County safer. Because those there's more officers patrolling and [1:43:45, 1:44:05]: Unincorporated areas than ever before. Whereas there was a shortage before, those officers are out there now, and the city police uh takes care of what we're doing. We've been focusing a lot tonight on what the expense side was. But there was a the the the very best thing that happened November. [1:44:05, 1:44:25]: The 8th? Well, there was a windfall of revenue that's attached to November the 8th when it comes to uh the total number of businesses coming into the city. As we talked about the hotel motel tax, all of the businesses, the medical uh around Piedmont Henry, including Piedmont Henry, in terms of their [1:44:25, 1:44:45]: business licensing in terms of um uh their planning and zoning and in terms of ex uh uh you know other services as well. So that is a big deal to what we're coming from to help offset bringing those residents in. They bring revenue because unlikely [1:44:45, 1:44:50]: You know, many people looked at the map and they did not understand you can look at it. [1:44:50, 1:45:10]: The Holiday Inn, which was pr probably the busiest hotel, uh bringing in the most hotel motel tax in the county, uh, right at 138, was not in the city, even though it's right there. It was not there. All of those accessory businesses that are in there, the restaurants, the uh all of that that was in there. [1:45:10, 1:45:13]: Uh you look at P. Mont Henry. [1:45:14, 1:45:34]: All of that medical that was along right there along uh Rock Quarry, the building right next to Pete Monthry, all of those doctors offices that were not there previously, those businesses are now in the city. All of those would generate revenue for us. So there was a reason that, you know, many [1:45:34, 1:45:54]: Many of us were out there knocking on doors and doing what's necessary in our private time to do that because we understood that there was a a real win bringing those residents into the city, uh, in addition to uh giving them an opportunity uh to vote uh in the upcoming elections. But um I want [1:45:54, 1:46:14]: To talk about that side right there in terms of the revenue that we're looking at uh bringing into the city with all of these businesses, different covenants. So certainly there will be some um research done and again attached to that, every last one of those 7,000 residents will be an increase in that public safety. [1:46:13, 1:46:32]: uh revenue that we would bring in in addition to the one point nine as Miss Barber has stated. Yeah, th they should count, yes. I think that's what she was saying, and I think we agree that they should count as part of the percentage. So that percentage should go beyond the one point oh nine. Um well, hold on. [1:46:35, 1:46:37]: Let me take a step back. I just realize I'm [1:46:38, 1:46:39]: I'm wrong. [1:46:40, 1:46:54]: The one point oh nine sales tax um property tax that was being paid, I think is being paid by those folks who are in the annexation area. [1:46:55, 1:46:56]: Um [1:46:57, 1:46:57]: No. [1:46:58, 1:46:58]: I'm wrong. [1:46:59, 1:47:19]: Right, because it would be going to them. It wouldn't be coming to us. So so every Henry County resident paid a paid taxes to Henry County. And they paid into the fire, the police, um, Parks and Rec. These were the S the based on SDS the just the the level of service, yes. So our portion for all of the residents. [1:47:19, 1:47:31]: Who live in Stockbridge makes up one point one point nine oh four. Now we gotta figure out what those seven thousand people who weren't part of it, which are probably close to [1:47:34, 1:47:37]: If if we make up that amount, it should be probably around the same [1:47:38, 1:47:58]: Um but we'll we'll definitely effort that number. We should be able to get what that what that would look like and go to them with a round number saying this is what you owe us. Yes. So yes. Absolutely. So uh I certainly appreciate that. It's kinda like, you know, uh in terms of future development as well. [1:47:58, 1:48:18]: Uh the three hundred acres that's coming in right around Flippin' Road, uh in that particular area where uh it's prime right there at six seventy five and I seventy five. We uh developments such as what we had at Jodico generates a tremendous amount of planning and zoning uh fees and revenue that were coming to the city. [1:48:18, 1:48:28]: city, all of that vacant land where we were basically at the point where we were running out of vacant land in the city brings a windfall to the city as well with future development, correct? [1:48:30, 1:48:50]: And there's and there's potential for an additional two to three three hundred acres coming into the city. And uh we're working with some folks now to make sure we finalize that on one of our major interstate corridors. Right. So I just it's so important that we deal with economic development and and and every time [1:48:50, 1:49:10]: Why are we talking about economic development so much? Because economic development drives what we're doing. And we talk about it, and I want you to say this one more time. The 2023 budget does not anticipate and increase no city tax, right? The 23 budget you presenting to us does not include a city tax. So everybody can hear that. [1:49:10, 1:49:11]: Loud and clearly. [1:49:11, 1:49:31]: Yeah. The the FY twenty twenty twenty three budget does not have any property tax from the city in their proper in in this budget. No. All right, thank you. Now I will tell you that you will what will happen is as a reflection of the county signing over that that rollback to us. [1:49:31, 1:49:42]: You'll see that in the budget obviously, but it won't be an a tax that the city has voted to impose. It'll be the rollback that comes that they were paying to Henry County for a service that Henry County no longer r render to them. [1:49:42, 1:49:55]: Yes. Ms. Ms. Gantt, I'm stand by, sir, please. Ms. Gantt, you had something to say. I I did. P Von Henry is considered a non profit organization and they have been tax exempt since nineteen ninety six. [1:49:57, 1:50:03]: Um, so I just looked that up. I d I d you know, I agree there are a lot of medical facilities around it. [1:50:04, 1:50:07]: But it is considered a non profit. Now our attorneys could um [1:50:08, 1:50:12]: You know, there are few tax exempt statuses. [1:50:12, 1:50:22]: uh which were all non profits, blood drop blood banks and stuff of that nature. So maybe our attorneys can look at that a little bit more in depth. Um [1:50:22, 1:50:29]: I I kinda cringe sometimes when we talk about taxes because if we're using fund balance, eventually it depletes. [1:50:29, 1:50:34]: Which we've already been advised that at some point we'll have to have a city property tax. [1:50:34, 1:50:40]: I'm not gonna shy away from that to the public or to any of our constituents, you know. [1:50:40, 1:50:45]: a at some point no one's gonna be happy about that. I don't want one. [1:50:46, 1:50:48]: I think we're taxed too much. [1:50:48, 1:50:52]: Across the board, federal and local, especially small businesses, we get [1:50:53, 1:50:57]: really hurt. We re we get really dinged and so I'm not here [1:50:58, 1:50:59]: To sugarcoat that [1:51:00, 1:51:05]: Really, to be honest, um, you know, we're we're taking from fun balance now. [1:51:06, 1:51:07]: We can't keep taking from it. [1:51:09, 1:51:13]: And although we annexed in some hotels, that's hotel motel tax. [1:51:14, 1:51:22]: A portion of it goes towards it. A portion of it goes towards that. And although we you know, and then even when we do it that way, there are certain things we can spend on. [1:51:22, 1:51:32]: Well three percent three percent of the eight goes to your general fund for use any kind of way. The rest of it is restricted. Right. It's restricted. [1:51:32, 1:51:33]: I just want [1:51:34, 1:51:49]: to be able to tell the truth. That's it. And I'm not saying we're not telling the truth, but I'm not gonna project something and make it all cloudy. I can't say that. I can I can say that we're a grown city, we're gonna be the best city that we possibly can be. [1:51:50, 1:51:51]: But at some point [1:51:52, 1:51:56]: based off of the fact that we have a police department, based off the fact that we have [1:51:56, 1:51:56]: Um [1:51:57, 1:51:58]: А к грун коммуніті. [1:51:59, 1:52:00]: I believe that [1:52:00, 1:52:18]: based off of financial advisor's advice that we will eventually have a city tax. And we're there's no need of us trying to convince it one way or another. Right now in that twenty twenty three budget it says we won't. Right. That's it. That's all I can do. Statutorily we couldn't do it any way we wanted to. [1:52:19, 1:52:19]: Correct. [1:52:20, 1:52:40]: Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. Thank you. Um excuse me. Uh I I'm going to agree with all of that as far as the future, but what I really want to say is just thank you for your presentation. And Mayor Ford, I wanted to uh suggest that we move the agenda along. [1:52:39, 1:52:40]: Um [1:52:42, 1:53:00]: You know, I think we need to continue to ask our questions as we go through this process, but I just want us to to move the agenda along. Thank you. I appreciate uh Mr. Blount, do you have some last minute comments or yeah, just just the last comment. I just want to make it clear that we um [1:53:00, 1:53:06]: We you you just made a statement that there's no tax projection for twenty twenty three. There's not. [1:53:07, 1:53:10]: Stand by please. Go ahead, Mr Blount, please continue with statement. [1:53:10, 1:53:14]: When we do a rollback from the county of what is it one point nine oh four [1:53:15, 1:53:22]: When you roll back from the county, the rollback is simply that the city of Stockbridge doesn't pay that tax to the county anymore. [1:53:23, 1:53:29]: So when does the city pay that tax? We're not gonna pay it in twenty twenty three because we're gonna take that [1:53:30, 1:53:33]: fund balance and cover that tax base of one point. Well [1:53:34, 1:53:53]: Well so so the way it works, no i i y you you so the residence in Henry County was paying for their police portion of the police service at one point oh nine. Once once we started our police department, that became the duplicative services and or what they call double taxation. [1:53:53, 1:54:01]: So Henry County at some point, whether they liked it or not, would have been breaking the law if they continued saying we weren't getting our money back. But we won't talk that. [1:54:01, 1:54:19]: Once they decide to give that money to us, obviously that mut that amount will go away on the on the residents' next next tax bill. It will be gone. The Helena County will pay us obviously for the fact that we're providing services to the residents for this year. [1:54:19, 1:54:25]: But as of the next tax year, because remember this when we were discussing this, taxes are collected and arranged. [1:54:26, 1:54:34]: That'll go away. The city if the city doesn't impose it, it will go away. It will be a reduction to all the residents at one point. [1:54:34, 1:54:36]: Well let me ask you a question. [1:54:37, 1:54:50]: If there's any rollback from the county, how would the city of Stockbridge retain that money back from the citizens? You would have to impose a property tax. And that's exactly what I'm trying to get to. You would have to. So [1:54:50, 1:55:10]: We w anytime there's a service is done that we do, and I get that we cannot they cannot get you can't have double taxing from the city and and and the county for the single services that is rendered. And I get that the citizens of Stockbridge have been have paid taxes into the services as of a certain [1:55:10, 1:55:23]: certain date and certain time. So when we say we can throw up the flags and let the balloons go and say there's no tax for twenty twenty three, but when we talk about sustainability for the city of Stockbridge, we have to talk tax [1:55:24, 1:55:44]: Because of everything that's on the table and because of the rollback has to be paid back into our budget. All of these things. So we can throw the balloons in 2023, but I'm trying to say transparency is don't well let's not talk twenty twenty-three and then you know and and and and hip hip parade. We got some serious financial decisions happening. [1:55:44, 1:55:47]: has to be made in the city beyond twenty twenty three. That is correct. [1:55:48, 1:55:53]: Mayor, I just need to respond to that quickly. Okay, we'll make this last one so we can move on to a public hearing. [1:55:54, 1:56:00]: I I I just wanna understand one thing and I and I just said it again. There's no tax city tax in twenty twenty three. [1:56:01, 1:56:20]: What it really amounts to is that the citizens are concerned about what's coming out of their pocketbook. That 1.9%, they've been paying it forever and a day, right? It's not a it's not a new tax. That's not something that we're imposing upon them. They've already been paying the 1.9%. [1:56:21, 1:56:41]: Every year. So from a citizen standpoint, they will see no difference because they've already been paying that one point nine to the county and they will not see any difference in that. That is what we're saying. So no, the city is not imposing the one point nine. They've already been paying the one point nine. [1:56:40, 1:56:54]: That is what needs to uh folks need to understand. You know, so that is uh the the most important part and and I just want everybody to understand one thing, i i the final thing. [1:56:54, 1:57:14]: Listen, governments from the federal government, the state government, and local government, nobody up here can tell you what the tax is going to be three years from now. You ask the state of Georgia, are y'all gonna raise taxes next year? Could they tell you? No. If you ask Henry County, are you gonna raise taxes next year? [1:57:14, 1:57:29]: year could they tell you no if you ask the federal government are you gonna raise taxes next year no they do exactly what we're doing and Mr. Gardner explained they do a budget they cut they look at the what the revenues are determined to be [1:57:29, 1:57:49]: They look at what uh they need to do in terms of what the taxation to be able to set the tax rate. They don't go five years down the road. They go to what needs to be done right now. That's what we're doing. Next year, when Henry County has their millage rate meeting, they will decide whether twelve point seven three three is sufficient. [1:57:49, 1:57:54]: They will increase the rate. [1:57:55, 1:58:00]: I I asked Mr. Gardner, Mayor. I asked Mr. Gardner. [1:58:00, 1:58:03]: That our financial advisor come here tonight. [1:58:04, 1:58:07]: Because these elected officials, we're gonna tell you what we want you to hear. [1:58:08, 1:58:11]: Бо воені по тіл і вот а факт із. [1:58:12, 1:58:13]: That's what I want you all to hear. [1:58:14, 1:58:18]: I want you all to hear the facts. We are not financial advisors up here. [1:58:19, 1:58:24]: And this is why I wanted the financial advisor present because what they're going to say [1:58:24, 1:58:44]: With their mouths cut the same way, is gonna be different from what you're hearing right now tonight. I can guarantee you that. All right, so otherwise, uh is that something that uh we can possibly do for the next uh reading to have'em here if that's a necessary thing to do? If it if it's to issue the council, you don't want Mr. Ward. [1:58:44, 1:59:00]: This is a public hearing, ladies and gentlemen. So I want to open it up and since it is a public hearing. And so I'm going to start on my left, which is over here. Any comments, uh, any comments, positive comments uh for on public hearing over here in my far uh left side. [1:59:02, 1:59:03]: Anybody in the mirror at all? [1:59:05, 1:59:06]: Yes, ma'am. [1:59:06, 1:59:10]: You c you had you have to come out to the podium. Come up to the podium and uh [1:59:10, 1:59:14]: It's re re yeah, it's rubbing to the budget now. Well but ma'am, it's re [1:59:15, 1:59:16]: Oh. [1:59:16, 1:59:17]: Mm-hmm. [1:59:17, 1:59:37]: Yeah, name and address please. This is this is this is a four. This is like four is a positive comment, not a negative comment. This is just a name and address please. Oh Amenta Jones, six twelve Tahoe Trail in Stockwich, Georgia. Okay. I'm in the city limits. Okay. When you were talking about GMA, what did that mean? Georgia municipal [1:59:37, 1:59:41]: Okay. That's what it is. Georgia Municipal Association. Okay. [1:59:42, 1:59:52]: Uh okay. Okay, any any uh positive comments on the far uh my far right? Okay. Uh okay, any comments on the negative side if it need be on my far left. [1:59:53, 1:59:54]: In the middle. [1:59:55, 2:00:11]: Far right. All right. On that note there are no comments. So um close the public hearing. This is just the first reading, so it doesn't take a vote that I know of at this point. And so we'll move on to our next uh agenda item. Which brings us to the uh [2:00:11, 2:00:31]: Uh number eight actually a comprehensive uh this we're still in the public hearings phase though. Comprehensive plan amendment case CP two zero two two two dash zero five. John R. Landers Jr. applicant requests a comprehensive plan uh amendment to change the future land use description uh designation, excuse me, a parcel S twenty seven. [2:00:31, 2:00:51]: Senior Heritage Trail from a medium density residential to heavy industrial to allow for industrial development. The property contains 1.962 acres, plus or minus acres, and is located in land. [2:00:51, 2:01:00]: Plan lot thirty-six of District twelve within the Stockbridge City Limits, presented by Mr. Randon uh Ryan Anderson, please. [2:01:00, 2:01:20]: Okay. The applicant up the applicant operates a house moving business from the property where he parks vehicles and stores business equipment outdoors. He proposes to continue the same use but to construct a small modular building on the property in compliance with UDC section three point two twenty to store his equipment. LI districts are local. [2:01:20, 2:01:31]: Located to the north and east of the property. Modular buildings are allowed both in L I and HI districts. Memorial Park and the City Transfer Station are located to the south of the property. [2:01:34, 2:01:54]: Uh the number of acres on the site first address. The address for the site is 400 it was 443 MLK Senior Heritage Trail. It's 1.962 acres. The property characteristics is the outdoor storage of business equipment and vehicles for a house moving company. The current land use designation is medium density residential. [2:01:54, 2:01:57]: Here's the aerial photo of the site right here. [2:02:00, 2:02:06]: If you can see my cursor or right there. Right there is the um is the city's transfer station. [2:02:07, 2:02:12]: Across the street, across where Quarry Road is the ready mix storage. [2:02:13, 2:02:22]: I mean the Red Mix Concrete Company and uh the MLK Senior Heritage Trail and Memorial Park is the south of the of the facility. [2:02:24, 2:02:44]: Here is a picture of the um an aerial photo of the applicant's business. You can see the equipment stored outside. It's stored outside on a um a suburban residential property uh which gives the property a legally non-conforming status. Um the reason why the applicant wants to go to to light industrial because he proposes to build a modular building on the property. [2:02:44, 2:02:48]: And right now he can't expand or increase the nonconformity of the lot. [2:02:53, 2:02:59]: The City of Stockbridge's current comprehensive plan lists the property as medium density residential. [2:02:59, 2:03:10]: However, the current future land use is incompatible with the requested zoning. Therefore the applicant is seeking a comprehensive plan amendment to change the future land use density designation from medium density to heavy industrial. [2:03:13, 2:03:33]: The surrounding land uses. Property to the north, like I mentioned earlier, you got the Redamix USA Stockbridge Concrete Plant, and its current designation is Light Industrial. South of the property, you got Memorial Park. Its current land use designation is park recreation and conservation. Property to the east of the subject property is vacant land, and this is [2:03:33, 2:03:42]: Current land use designation is public institution. Public institutional and to the west of the property you got vacant land and it's medium density residential. [2:03:45, 2:03:59]: The future land use uh four hundred forty three senior heritage trail. Across the street on Rock Quarry Road, you have heavy industrial and one of the recomm recommendations by staff is to use Rock Quarry Road as a boundary to keep all the industrial [2:04:00, 2:04:02]: Property East. [2:04:02, 2:04:10]: Keep out the light industrial uses east. I mean, keep out heavy industrial use east of ro of Rock Quarry Road and not to have um heavy industrial [2:04:12, 2:04:14]: To be included on this side of of Rock Rory Road. [2:04:15, 2:04:26]: The right here if you look at my cursor, that's the um the subject property right here. And right across you see, you have light industrial land uses and you have light industrial land uses over there. [2:04:27, 2:04:47]: Uh the proposed development is not consistent with the comprehensive plan future land use designation of medium density residential. Therefore, the applicant has requested a comprehensive plan amendment via CP twenty twenty-two oh five to change the property land use designation to heavy industrial, which would allow the proposed metal building to be to be built. Once again, [2:04:47, 2:05:07]: You have to remember that the subject property is currently a non-conforming land use. He's storing line, heavy well, he's storing industrial property on a suburban residential land district. The property requested zoning districts are not compatible with the list of permitted use, permitted zoning districts that are found in the comprehensive plan to allow for. [2:05:07, 2:05:27]: Proposed zoning, the applicant has requested the rezoning of the property from SR to HI Heavy Industrial to allow for the building to be built. The rezoning will be heard concurrently with this case. The proposed heavy industrial land use designation would not be compatible with the other surrounding areas that are comprised of light industrial and residential uses. [2:05:27, 2:05:33]: There are heavy industrial uses in the greater vicinity. It is separated distinctly by Rock Quarry Road. [2:05:34, 2:05:54]: Maintaining the current land use would deny the applicant for developing his proposed projects. The applicant's proposed rezoning is not feasible and compatible with the surrounding community since the area's primary light industrial and residential. And also the subject property is next door to the transfer station, so it probably would would never be developed as a residential property. [2:05:54, 2:05:56]: Yeah. [2:05:56, 2:06:16]: The proposed comp plan amendment project will result in a negative impact on the overall community because it will introduce heavy industrial uses into our area that is predominantly light industrial and residential. Staff recommend keeping the heavy industrial uses to the east of Raw Courry Road and not allow such uses to encroach into the area. [2:06:16, 2:06:17]: Yeah. [2:06:18, 2:06:36]: Uh the staff report has d demonstrated that the comprehensive plan amendment via CP twenty-two oh five will not be desirable for the subject property. As a result, planning and zoning staff recommends denial of CP twenty-two oh five to heavy industrial land use. However, staffs recommend approval with condition. [2:06:37, 2:06:47]: Recommends approval of light industrial land use in conjunction with the requested rezoning of the property via R Z twenty two oh six to allow for the applicant's proposed use. [2:06:51, 2:06:55]: Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Do you have a question? Yeah, I have a question. Is the advocate in here? [2:06:55, 2:06:56]: Yes, sir. [2:06:56, 2:07:16]: Well I got a question for you. Um when this use as is was permitted, how was it permitted to how how was it permitted and with outside of the uh actual land use? Uh it was permitted before we adopt adopted the new uh unified development code so we to give [2:07:16, 2:07:34]: gives it a a legally non-conforming status. A legally non-con uh conforming status mean that there's a use that is not is not a the the use should be industrial, but right now it's is he's using something that's he's using a, I can't explain it right now. [2:07:35, 2:07:50]: He has an incompatible land use upon the in a s suburban residential district and in and it incur in a in normal situ in normal circumstances that would not be allowed. But because he was there before the adoption of the UDC, he's legally nonconforming. [2:07:50, 2:07:56]: Grandfather So so prior to the UDC he was compatible to the land use? Is that what you're saying? Yes. Mm-hmm. [2:07:59, 2:08:19]: Clarification. Uh good evening, council members. So the use was on the property prior to the code going into into in place. Um we have several properties that have either been there for years and years and years and years and have never done any additional either things on the property like needed to get permits. [2:08:19, 2:08:37]: permits or change ownership on a business license, those types of things. It is considered a legally non-conforming use, which means that he cannot build anything on that lot of an industrial nature unless it goes through the rezoning process. And that's the process that he is requesting before you now. [2:08:38, 2:08:51]: Then my question is then the the proposed uses that he's talking about, have you seen any plans on the proposed usage? Uh how how uh or anything pertaining to that after the uh b uh after the UDC was implemented? [2:08:52, 2:09:03]: No, we we have a plan for a a twenty four hundred square foot building. Um however the the building the building owner or property owner does have to bring the property [2:09:04, 2:09:09]: into compliance with the current code for the industrial uh designation for zoning. [2:09:09, 2:09:12]: So they still would have to in order to build anything. [2:09:12, 2:09:19]: they would have to pave it. They would have to put in the landscaping necessary in order to be able to to develop on this property. [2:09:21, 2:09:25]: And so the land usage would just be whatever industrial uses he wants. [2:09:26, 2:09:41]: Well the the land use is for our comprehensive plan, which currently is showing as um low density uh and parks. So if coming in, he can't do industrial in a land use that is parks or recreation. [2:09:41, 2:09:50]: So part of the wr process for a comprehensive plan amendment is to change it to industrial, which would allow this zoning to happen in light industrial. [2:09:51, 2:10:03]: Okay.'Cause r right now I'm I'm looking at on on that s if that's the same site I'm talking about, the one right across the bridge on the north side uh south side, I'm sorry, south side of uh [2:10:03, 2:10:06]: uh on the south side of um [2:10:07, 2:10:21]: Emma King Harriet's Trail, is that correct? That right there on the corner of Rock Quarry and and Emma King Harriet's Trail that butts up to the the back end butts up to the transfer station. Yes. And that's the project. [2:10:24, 2:10:26]: Okay. [2:10:27, 2:10:30]: With with the way that land is configurated. [2:10:30, 2:10:35]: We have the right away to anything on coming out on [2:10:36, 2:10:38]: The Heritage Trail side, is that correct? [2:10:39, 2:10:46]: So if anything that they that would be built there for future use would have to come out on Rock Quarry. Is that correct? [2:10:46, 2:11:03]: For this particular site, yes, they have access from Rock Quarry. Or from from uh MLK uh heritage for this particular property. The their interest now is M L K Heritage Trail? Yes, sir. And so that would be the only interest and exit even if they go into high density and bill? [2:11:04, 2:11:10]: That would be the only entrance and exit is right there. Correct. That's the only access they have to uh uh infrastructure road. [2:11:10, 2:11:14]: So but at this point you have nothing that's showing why what they're [2:11:14, 2:11:34]: Far as any plans. No. Do you have plans for any after I mean the applicant definitely can come up and answer that. Um but we do have a rezoning case that follows this that talks a little bit more about that. But the applicant, whatever is built there, has to meet the current code. So they would bring in plans, they we'd be reviewing it based on um those [2:11:34, 2:11:36]: criteria under light industrial. [2:11:37, 2:11:38]: Okay. [2:11:39, 2:11:42]: Report Tim, go ahead, please. Thank you. Um [2:11:43, 2:11:54]: Mr. Anderson and Mrs. Carter, thank you for that presentation. The problem that I have with with this is the future. [2:11:55, 2:11:56]: Um [2:11:58, 2:12:01]: This proposal does not coincide with [2:12:02, 2:12:11]: the future of M. L. King Harris's trail and that residential community that's in that area. [2:12:12, 2:12:18]: There's also a master park plan that is moving forward. [2:12:19, 2:12:26]: that does not coincide um you know with the future plan [2:12:26, 2:12:33]: Uh mister Anderson, uh even though he's grandfather to a certain extent, but you laid out [2:12:33, 2:12:35]: The facts [2:12:35, 2:12:36]: Why? [2:12:36, 2:12:38]: It should not be [2:12:38, 2:12:42]: Uh it's it's it's medium density, residential. [2:12:43, 2:12:45]: But but my emphasis [2:12:45, 2:12:47]: is on the future [2:12:47, 2:12:48]: Planned. [2:12:49, 2:13:01]: for ML King Heritage Trail. And you have a community there that even have issues with the transfer station. And there is um a movement of foot [2:13:02, 2:13:04]: To even move that [2:13:04, 2:13:11]: across the street as you indicated that is designated for a heavy industrial. [2:13:12, 2:13:13]: That's the future. [2:13:14, 2:13:19]: So and and and I didn't wanna say that I live in that area, but I do. [2:13:20, 2:13:21]: And so [2:13:21, 2:13:23]: I cannot see. [2:13:24, 2:13:25]: Um [2:13:26, 2:13:27]: Any [2:13:27, 2:13:29]: construction any [2:13:29, 2:13:31]: type of business of that nature. [2:13:32, 2:13:34]: Coming into this neighborhood. [2:13:34, 2:13:35]: Um [2:13:36, 2:13:48]: And I'm not gonna sort of s you know, speak a lot. I'll give my other council members uh an opportunity to speak. But the emphasis that I wanna make here is that it does not fit into [2:13:48, 2:13:52]: The land you've planned for the future of that area. [2:13:54, 2:13:56]: Because if you allow that to come, you [2:13:57, 2:13:59]: Then you're opening up. [2:13:59, 2:14:06]: the door for other developments that will come in under that same authority. [2:14:06, 2:14:08]: And and I'm I'm opposed to that. [2:14:09, 2:14:12]: So and I may have some other comments later but [2:14:13, 2:14:15]: I'm I just want to emphasize [2:14:15, 2:14:17]: That it does not [2:14:18, 2:14:19]: Coincide. [2:14:19, 2:14:21]: With the future. [2:14:21, 2:14:23]: That those folks that live in that community [2:14:25, 2:14:28]: It does not coincide with the vision of [2:14:29, 2:14:34]: that those homeowners, those property owners have that lives in that community. [2:14:36, 2:14:38]: I cannot express that. [2:14:38, 2:14:39]: More. [2:14:40, 2:14:44]: That you have property owners, you have folks that live in that neighborhood. [2:14:45, 2:14:47]: And they do not want to see [2:14:47, 2:14:48]: Heavy. [2:14:49, 2:14:52]: industrial coming next door to where they live. [2:14:52, 2:14:56]: Mr. Thank you, Mayor. Ms. Al Zanaguaya, please. [2:14:56, 2:15:16]: Uh yes, sir. And uh, you know, this to me is the perfect example of why the ballot initiative was so important on November the eighth, because Mayor Pro Tem would be the district council member for that area and you gotta understand the person closest to that [2:15:16, 2:15:36]: Kind of understands it. He outlined exactly what the future looks like with us in terms of expanding Memorial Park. You know, it's undesirable that the transfer station is there, and that access to have heavy industrial that's certainly not the vision of uh where we're trying. [2:15:36, 2:15:56]: To go uh in this particular area. And I think this is where uh Henry County has really had the advantage over us in terms of a discussion like this would have already taken place with the district commissioner. The district commissioner would have made their thoughts known up front, it would have saved us. [2:15:56, 2:16:16]: A lot of time coming here and understanding that this is counter to the vision of where the city is trying to go. So understand that, you know, I understand we'll hear from the residents later on, but with all the monies that we spent for the park and rec um master plan and all of that, this area. [2:16:16, 2:16:24]: area is certainly not uh that would not be in keeping with what uh the direction that we're going in. [2:16:25, 2:16:30]: Ms. Cann, go ahead please. Thank I just have a question uh about legal nonconforming use. [2:16:31, 2:16:34]: Can you tell me uh you mentioned that [2:16:35, 2:16:40]: the actual particular piece of property had been transferred from business to business to business, maybe? [2:16:41, 2:16:53]: Did that happen or this has been one business the entire time? This has been on the property for for years. Uh I know the applicants can speak to the time frame, but [2:16:53, 2:17:13]: What typically happens with a a a nonconforming use, especially when we have a new code change, is whenever they come in to get a permit, a license, anything that requires city review, then we have to look at the totality of the projects and state, if we give you this permit or this license, are we continuing the nonconformance of this? [2:17:13, 2:17:25]: pri property because it's currently residential. It's zoned residential. I was about to ask. It is it is actually zoned residential. That's right. At what point? Because I remember receiving [2:17:25, 2:17:27]: [8247.5, 8248.8]: It was an issue. [2:17:29, 2:17:31]: To have tractor trailer [2:17:31, 2:17:38]: trailers parked on that particular piece of property. So at what point did it become legal non conforming use? [2:17:38, 2:17:58]: It's just non conform. That means that it can continue as is, but if anything changes'cause we won't stop a pro project it's as soon as we change the code and say you have to move off this lot and so move on. So are you saying trucks can park on a residential piece of property? No, they can't. That's been going on forever. So but what have we [2:17:58, 2:18:16]: done about this is part of that process. The applicant is coming in to say, okay, I'd like to make sure that I can meet the requirements of the current code. And this is the process by where it whereby that happened. Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm saying that trucks have been on this property illegally. [2:18:17, 2:18:18]: For how long? [2:18:19, 2:18:21]: And what has the city done about it? [2:18:22, 2:18:34]: The applicant can speak on that. This is the comprehensive land use plan amendment. Um and then the rezoning will get into a little more detail about the project itself. But this is a residential piece of property. [2:18:34, 2:18:37]: So what do we do usually when [2:18:38, 2:18:42]: And maybe I I done switched my lawyer gears, excuse me, Mayor and Council. [2:18:43, 2:18:50]: Well but attorney again is speaking at this point. At what point what do we do? [2:18:51, 2:18:55]: when um something's on a piece of property [2:18:56, 2:18:58]: And it's not allowed. [2:18:59, 2:19:00]: What do we normally do? [2:19:01, 2:19:21]: Well, we will go in and have code enforcement address it. But this particular property um came to us just as a result of this particular request. So we're dealing with it as it has come to us. Is he a new owner? No, he is not. Okay. But he is looking to get a permit, which is the trigger. He cannot get [2:19:21, 2:19:34]: permit to build on the lot and so this is a process whereby he can it is at the discretion of this council to determine whether he can do that or not. What do you what does your note say in regards to this property in the past? [2:19:35, 2:19:55]: In regards to code enforcement or anything of that nature. I remember this being an issue. I just don't quite understand. It hasn't been an issue since I've been with the city. I've been with the city about a year and a half now. And you haven't seen anything, any notes on this at all? I haven't. But we can, you know, talk with the applicant a little bit and ask him some questions about his history on the property. Okay. [2:19:55, 2:20:02]: Okay. Thank you. May Ma Mayor Ford before the applicant come up, if there's no one step stand by. Mr. Alexander. [2:20:02, 2:20:22]: I just wanna follow up on what Miss Gantt said and I think thank you for that, because in essence what has been going on is an illegal use has been taking place at this location for undetermined amount of time. So in actually uh at this point, I think what you said pretty much was that the action brought [2:20:22, 2:20:37]: forth to us for this permit has brought that to our attention. But it nevertheless it has brought it to our attention where something uh can be done and something should be done. So we will continue with this process. [2:20:37, 2:20:38]: Thank you. [2:20:38, 2:20:45]: Mm the member for Tem Guay, please. Uh and and I'm gonna just piggyback on where Ms. Gantt was going. Um [2:20:46, 2:20:47]: It appears that [2:20:48, 2:20:52]: This property has been in violation for years. [2:20:53, 2:20:55]: And and and my issue is with [2:20:56, 2:20:57]: The city [2:20:57, 2:20:58]: and code enforcement. [2:20:59, 2:21:03]: It it appears that we would not be here [2:21:03, 2:21:07]: Unless the applicant wanted to um [2:21:08, 2:21:10]: Grow, I guess in other words. [2:21:11, 2:21:15]: My issue and concern with code enforcement is that [2:21:19, 2:21:20]: This [2:21:20, 2:21:21]: Property [2:21:21, 2:21:24]: should have been cited before. [2:21:26, 2:21:30]: If there were trucks parked on his property. [2:21:30, 2:21:32]: Out of compliance. [2:21:33, 2:21:34]: Being proactive. [2:21:35, 2:21:37]: Mrs. Carter, this is the issue that I have. [2:21:38, 2:21:38]: With [2:21:39, 2:21:40]: Staff. [2:21:41, 2:21:41]: Not [2:21:41, 2:21:44]: Rad in the community. [2:21:45, 2:21:46]: To see [2:21:47, 2:21:48]: These kind of issues. [2:21:51, 2:22:05]: So I just want to piggyback on that. If I can respond uh I'm I'm sorry. I and I don't mean no ill will to to the gentleman and I I I understand he has a business and he's trying to grow his business, but please understand [2:22:05, 2:22:11]: you know, where we're coming from. But I understand you're a business owner, you're trying to grow. I get that. [2:22:12, 2:22:14]: Mayor I yeah. [2:22:21, 2:22:22]: Go ahead, Mr. Blount. [2:22:30, 2:22:31]: Just dynamics and doing it [2:22:35, 2:22:38]: Ms. Johnson, I have a question for you, please. [2:22:38, 2:22:44]: Um w when was this w when was this property purchased? [2:22:45, 2:22:46]: To be used for this use. [2:22:49, 2:22:53]: So can you come to the podium? [2:22:54, 2:23:14]: Uh my name is John Landers Jr. and I am the applicant. I'm not the current owner of the property. About approximately five years ago I rented this property and I've been developing it, straighten it up, gravel the the fix the fences, that kind of stuff, so that I could park my equipment on the property. [2:23:14, 2:23:34]: property and the uh aerial photograph shows the equipment that I have on the property right now. So you purchased the property five years ago? I have not purchased the property. All of this is because I do want to purchase the property. So I have a land agreement to buy the property from the current owners and I [2:23:34, 2:23:38]: I wanted to to move onto the property permanently. [2:23:38, 2:23:49]: But I wanted to do it legally. So and since we are not it was since we're residential and they told me that we're residential just recently when I w asked them about uh buying the property. [2:23:50, 2:23:54]: Uh what I wanted was to rezone it correctly. [2:23:54, 2:24:07]: As soon as we get it rezoning, I'm gonna purchase it. So for rezone it first. So for five years you've been doing commercial use on it for as your equipment? I've been parking my equipment. I've had two tractor trailers. [2:24:07, 2:24:16]: So that I that I keep there that's mostly out on the job sites, but occasionally they're in there. Got you. So I'm saying for five years you've been doing commercial use. [2:24:16, 2:24:22]: Yeah, property. Right. Have you gotten any permits within those five years to do commercial use on those properties? No. [2:24:23, 2:24:27]: So in five years you've been doing commercial use on a property that has not been permitted [2:24:27, 2:24:47]: And yet you still don't own the property, you just decided to to do commercial use on it. Is that what you rented the property for this use? But you did nothing with the city of Stockbridge in order that you would use it for commercial uses and and no permits or anything has been issued in five years. Not in the case. And I think that's where we kind of have a disconnect because if it had done been five years. [2:24:47, 2:24:50]: years if it was done five years and your usage [2:24:50, 2:24:58]: would have been to get permits for that usage, then you would have found out five years ago that that use wasn't permitted. And so that's not [2:24:59, 2:25:19]: Maybe there's some fault that c code enforcement hadn't done that, but I think that that's the fault of the anybody that starts a business, you wanna make sure you got permits to operate that business. My business is actually in Henry County and I have a business license in Henry County but not in Stockbridge. But anytime you do business in any city, there's a point besides the point to do business yes [2:25:19, 2:25:30]: Yes, I am trying to get in compliance. That's what my goal is here, is to get into compliance. It's to expand a use that you've been doing. [2:25:31, 2:25:37]: that you haven't been not ever been permitted to do. That's you're coming to us to get an expansion of something that you haven't been permitted to do. [2:25:38, 2:25:43]: And so I I think that I think that with that being said, that I'm I'm ready to make a decision on that. [2:25:44, 2:25:52]: All right. Uh it uh let's see here. Uh any other any questions applicant is here. Any questions for the applicant, anybody? [2:25:53, 2:25:54]: Yeah [2:25:55, 2:25:57]: Okay, so this is actually um [2:25:57, 2:26:00]: Anything else, sir, before it's actually a public hearing. [2:26:01, 2:26:15]: And so I have to open up, but then before I do that, any any other comments that you want to bring to the council? Other than the transfer station is around two thirds of the property. Mm-hmm. And they have tractor trailers going in and out every day. [2:26:15, 2:26:28]: And as far as anybody knows, you know, there's I got covers across the fence to block visual looking in. But um, you know, I'm just looking for a place to park my equipment. [2:26:29, 2:26:38]: And I wanna buy this piece of property and continue using it like I have been for the last five years and get whatever permits and whatnot that I need to have. [2:26:38, 2:26:40]: In order to do that. [2:26:41, 2:26:51]: Okay. So it's a public hearing, so I'm gonna open it up for any uh positive comments on my far left over here. Uh any any positive comments. Anybody nothing there? Anyone in the middle? [2:26:52, 2:26:58]: Far right. Okay. Any p any comments against or negative per se in this aspect on the far left? [2:26:59, 2:27:00]: In the middle. [2:27:01, 2:27:02]: Okay. Yes, ma'am. [2:27:03, 2:27:06]: Okay, come on up in uh name and address, please. [2:27:09, 2:27:12]: You have up to ten minutes, uh not that you'll take that long, I'll s imagine. [2:27:13, 2:27:21]: Mayor and Council, you know I'm a woman of few words. My name is Diane D. Miller. Uh I reside at 804 Rum Hill Court. [2:27:22, 2:27:31]: I am the owner of the Greenfront Cafe. So three years ago I had to come before you and also ask for a permission in using the building. [2:27:32, 2:27:38]: The Greenfront Cafe had been in operation for sixty years, however, it had not been zoned to use commercially. [2:27:38, 2:27:52]: I had asked for uh a variance and uh I was granted the uh change of the zoning. Uh it was consistent with how it had been used and I will tell you that I am now a very humble daughter of the area. [2:27:53, 2:28:13]: And the community is a community unlike any other that I see here in Stockbridge. We have been talking for years and years about developing this area. Even there's been talk for since I can remember about moving the transfer station. Again, making this community someplace that is um friendly for family. [2:28:13, 2:28:29]: As I'm there lovingly restoring the Greenfront Cafe, when I go by, neighbors come by, they walk the streets, they're talking, they're out with their families. I cannot see this as being rezoned to light industrial in that area. [2:28:30, 2:28:37]: Also living in the area, Martin Luther King Heritage Senior Trail, right? This is our heritage area. [2:28:37, 2:28:41]: If we are looking to an area that we are going to proudly [2:28:41, 2:28:45]: Спік аз бисторик арія. [2:28:45, 2:28:46]: Having [2:28:46, 2:28:49]: light industrial in the middle does not [2:28:50, 2:28:56]: It heavy, heavy. I I'm sorry. The recommendation from staff I thought was to grant light, right? [2:28:56, 2:28:57]: But light [2:28:58, 2:29:01]: Heavy, medium, anything industrial just is not consistent. [2:29:02, 2:29:03]: And as we continue to grow. [2:29:04, 2:29:05]: Having the [2:29:06, 2:29:21]: Trails placed in the area as we have more things that would be walkable and we're inviting I I get I get buses of people coming right now. The the Greenfront Cafe's not even open. They come because we are part of the um Department of Tourism. [2:29:22, 2:29:36]: Again, that's just not consistent with having this industrial youth. So I ask you all, uh I believe on behalf of the other community members that may be a little too shy to come up and speak, um, I ask you this is not the right thing for this community. [2:29:38, 2:29:51]: Okay. Yes. Than th yeah. Thank you. I appreciate it. I don't think there's any questions for per or not oh you do have a question for? Go right, please. So uh thank you, Miss Miller. So you have other community members here with you? [2:29:51, 2:30:03]: There are other community members here. Yes, that is correct. Well they don't they they're you said they're in two shot, could they stand? I I I cannot speak for them, but if they would care to stand, I'm sure that they would feel the same way. [2:30:03, 2:30:04]: Okay. [2:30:04, 2:30:15]: All right, thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate that. Thank you. Okay. Anybody else? Any uh comments against uh in the middle? Uh far right. [2:30:16, 2:30:26]: Okay. On that note the public hearing is closed. All right. And so um Mr Mr. Addison, you're back up. If there's anything additional before I we take a vote. [2:30:27, 2:30:44]: Um no sir. But well, I just wanted to reiterate that staff recommended staff recommended denial of heavy industrial and recommended light industrial because there were um light industrial uses in the vicinity and in the area. So we did deny heavy industrial, but recommended light industrial. [2:30:44, 2:30:54]: All right. Thank you. Is there a motion to Mayor Ford? Yes, sir. I like to motion to deny light [2:30:55, 2:31:13]: And heavy industrial on this property. All right, is there a second the motion? Oh okay, within uh she seconded that, but if you want to add something you gotta go back. Okay, what is it to see what the mo [2:31:14, 2:31:30]: The motion was made to deny light and heavy, but we certainly should issue some directions to staff to go back and revisit the current use, which is n which is not allowed. You wanna add that to the motion? [2:31:31, 2:31:32]: Mayor Pro Tem? [2:31:33, 2:31:44]: Well Mrs. Carter from from what I understand is with the UDC coming after the fact. M Mrs. Carter, can can you speak to that? Presidential. [2:31:44, 2:31:44]: Right. [2:31:45, 2:31:46]: I don't know. [2:31:46, 2:31:48]: 'Cause I just wanna know. [2:31:49, 2:31:52]: What we would do is is I hear some comments down on the other end. [2:31:53, 2:32:08]: We would evaluate the request uh based on whatever the formal submittal by the applicant would be uh if the council were to were to approve the comprehensive plan and or the end of the rezoning. And we would ensure that whatever use is going to [2:32:08, 2:32:15]: either remain on the property or be removed from the property meets the permitted uses under the current code. [2:32:15, 2:32:20]: So they will not be allowed to do use have a use on the property that is not allowed by the code. [2:32:21, 2:32:29]: If if I may, Mayor, if if it's zone residential, this is what we would like for it to remain as. [2:32:30, 2:32:50]: Yeah. Uh you know what what standby standby. So what what uh so your motion so what is your motion to make sure cause one make sure we got the motion right? So brother in re Miss Holliday, what do you understand the motion to be? My motion is to deny. Uh yeah, but I know, but do you have ver verbiage on that? I won't the verb remains the same? [2:32:49, 2:32:52]: We haven't changed the verbiage. [2:32:52, 2:33:09]: Right. The the motion is to deny heavy and light, but the recommendation from staff is to for recommendation for approval of light. The request from the applicant is for heavy and as I understand. [2:33:10, 2:33:25]: Okay, the m but the motions it's denied both heavy and light. The motion has been uh uh seconded by Miss Barber, all right. In that aspect and what you asked Mr. Alexander was n no was not n no it was no need to add that. He didn't want to add that to his motion. [2:33:25, 2:33:33]: It remains residential. It uh excuse me? It remains residential. Right, okay, right, exactly right. All right. Back to Mr. Blount, do you had a comment, sir? [2:33:33, 2:33:37]: Yes, uh thank you, Mayor. Y you know, the problem I have with this whole [2:33:38, 2:33:39]: with this whole process. [2:33:40, 2:33:53]: And it's not just this applicant. It's it's any use of any facility, property or anything in the city limits of any city, especially here in Stockbridge. [2:33:54, 2:33:55]: We can allow [2:33:56, 2:34:00]: People to determine the use of any properties. [2:34:01, 2:34:05]: You can't just start operating at something and that make it the use. [2:34:06, 2:34:08]: without getting a permit from the city. [2:34:09, 2:34:10]: To determine that use. [2:34:12, 2:34:27]: And so when I'm I'm I'm kind of it's kinda interesting that you all said you want to prove light when we have to address the issues at hand. The issues at hand is the use of the property that has been operating for five years. [2:34:28, 2:34:37]: that was not the use of the property in the beginning. That has not been permitted in five years. The only thing in five years that hasn't happened is we hadn't told'em to stop. [2:34:40, 2:34:40]: That's it. [2:34:41, 2:35:01]: And I'm sorry to sound Blount, but that's who I am. So the thing about it is no pun intended. But the thing about it is that we cannot allow anybody to come and operate in this city and they determine the use of any property or facility. And that's what's going on right here. The city has to tighten up [2:35:01, 2:35:04]: Do what we need to do and make sure that we're going to do that. [2:35:04, 2:35:12]: What area areas we have in the future that needs to be looked at from this we should be a lesson for all of us. [2:35:12, 2:35:15]: If people are operating without permits [2:35:15, 2:35:19]: And they're running commercial businesses. [2:35:19, 2:35:24]: We need to make sure that they are allowed or disallowed and act accordingly. [2:35:25, 2:35:40]: Okay, the motion's been made been seconded. So s hopefully no other further discussion. I don't think I just have one other where is further discussion. I'm sorry, one thing. Go right ahead, miss uh what is our future plan use for that that area? [2:35:41, 2:36:01]: What's the question? What's the future plan use of that area? Well, right now it's medium density residential, same as the transfer station. Um, we have a com uh comprehensive plan update that is gonna be starting the end of this year to look at the overall comprehensive use of all the properties throughout the city to implement. [2:36:01, 2:36:06]: And we'll bring that before you all for discussion and a vote. Well I and a and again. [2:36:07, 2:36:15]: I don't know when this happened, but this is not the first time we've discussed this property. It may not have been at a council meeting but [2:36:15, 2:36:19]: But it has been a issue, otherwise I wouldn't have said what I said. I mean [2:36:19, 2:36:20]: It alerted me to it. [2:36:21, 2:36:24]: Until I know that it's been discussed in the past. [2:36:24, 2:36:38]: in City Hall. So I don't know if code enforcement in the past have been have ever came out or whatever the case may have been, but I do recall this. And I don't know if I recall it as a solicitor and I doubt that because that was been over ten years. [2:36:38, 2:36:40]: So it had to be more recent than that. [2:36:41, 2:36:42]: In the past couple of years. [2:36:43, 2:36:44]: That it was an issue. [2:36:45, 2:37:05]: So that's all. Yeah, go ahead, Mr. Alzheimer. I just want to make sure that everybody is clear going forward. Okay, because there's current activity going on on this property right now. So in essence, so we're clear, you're clear what's going to happen going forward. [2:37:05, 2:37:06]: That use going to be eliminated? [2:37:08, 2:37:28]: Correct. It will be. Now that we are alerted of the fact that it is a use that is no longer on the property, we will have to talk with the with the owner. Uh this is the person who's looking to take over ownership and go through to see what we have on the books for the property. And it can only be utilized in the under the current zoning, especially if the [2:37:28, 2:37:48]: board uh denies the request tonight. But this right here, everybody watching and everybody sitting in the audience, this is why you have realtor work with you or you have somebody or you do this process right now. Cause every I get this call all the time where somebody c already signed or bought the property. [2:37:48, 2:38:08]: Then they come back and they find out that the use is not allowed. So it it is a good thing that the property hasn't been purchased yet because so many times people get this, they bought the property, they signed the lease already, and then they come to us and the landlord and the person say, No, I'm sorry, you already signed. [2:38:08, 2:38:13]: [9495.3, 9513.2]: Yep. Nice. All right. So I'm done. Mo mo okay. Motion's been made, been second. Come in. Yep. Yes, yes, my it'll be brief. Because I I I'm trying to hit home with with this and and and my question is to the planning and zoning board and to the community development staff. [2:38:34, 2:38:38]: knowing the master park plan [2:38:39, 2:38:42]: And your department makes a recommendation. [2:38:44, 2:38:49]: This is somewhat d that that that disturbs me right there in itself. [2:38:50, 2:38:54]: And we all have to have and see the same vision. [2:38:55, 2:39:01]: The city of Starkbridge is one vision, we have to see that, and we have to act accordingly. [2:39:01, 2:39:04]: So I'm really disturbed of this recommendation. [2:39:05, 2:39:10]: And not understanding the vision and the council has set the vision. [2:39:11, 2:39:12]: And I I d I just wanted to say that. [2:39:13, 2:39:26]: May enforcement if I may. This property the the trail system does not traverse this particular lot. This lot is less than two acres. It goes around it um on the south and on the west sides. Um just for clarification, but um [2:39:26, 2:39:29]: But the point is is noted. But if I may [2:39:29, 2:39:33]: In the park in the master park plan discussion. [2:39:35, 2:39:35]: This [2:39:36, 2:39:37]: Property. [2:39:37, 2:39:40]: was an issue and the transfer st it was an issue. [2:39:40, 2:39:42]: So it's prominent. [2:39:42, 2:39:49]: in the plan. That that's the point I'm making. It's permanent in the Master Park plan for Memorial Park. [2:39:51, 2:39:55]: That's the point that I'm making. So we have to know this. [2:39:55, 2:40:02]: And we have to act accordingly. I yield back, Mayor. Thank you. All right. Motion has been made, been second. So all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:40:03, 2:40:12]: C and decision. Thank you very much. Now, on that note, uh uh the next rezoning case is is is a non issue now or not? [2:40:13, 2:40:18]: It is a public hearing so we do have to still read it off and go through the public hearing process. All right. [2:40:19, 2:40:20]: Would do. [2:40:20, 2:40:40]: Hold up mister uh mr anderson stand by just a second. Rezoning case RZ two zero two two dash zero six John R. Landers Junior Applicant request a rezoning to rezone parcel S twenty seven dash zero two zero two one zero zero zero AK four four three MLK Senior Heritage Trail from [2:40:41, 2:40:46]: SR suburban residential to uh HI heavy industrial to allow for industrial development. [2:40:47, 2:40:56]: The property contains one point nine six two plus or minus acres as located in landlock thirty-six of District twelve within the city's li stopper city limits presented by Mr. Anderson. Go ahead, please. [2:40:58, 2:41:12]: Okay, um once again the applicant operates a house moving business from the property where he parks vehicles and stores business equipment outdoors. He proposed to continue the same use but to construct a small modular building on the property in compliance with UD C section three point two twenty. [2:41:13, 2:41:15]: L I districts. [2:41:16, 2:41:36]: Are located to the north and east of the property. Modular buildings are allowed both in L I and HI. Memorial Park and City Transfer Stations are located to the south of the property. Here's an aerial photo of the property once again. There's the transfer station. There's the site and the ready mixed concrete facilities across the street. [2:41:36, 2:41:37]: [9700.3, 9706.9]: Uh here's the zoning map of the site and you have Memorial Park uh located south of the property. And here's the site right here. [2:41:50, 2:42:07]: And as you can see the um there's some LI right in the area, an LI across the street. Here's the applicant's um uh business. It's currently zone SR and here's the equipment parked on the on the property right there. [2:42:12, 2:42:14]: This is pictures of his operations. [2:42:17, 2:42:23]: And here is what um Mare Protein was nothing's moved, sir. [2:42:23, 2:42:27]: Yeah, nothing's been moving, sir. Oh. I don't understand okay. [2:42:39, 2:42:42]: We did have a discussion before. We did. [2:42:43, 2:42:44]: So I think Ms. [2:42:46, 2:42:47]: And the are the okay. [2:42:51, 2:42:51]: Okay. [2:43:08, 2:43:28]: Okay, here's what Mayor Pro Tem was talking about, uh Memorial Park expansion. We did include that in our analysis. That um we did take in consideration the parks master plan. So we didn't we didn't disregard it. So we did we did take that into consideration when we did our analysis. Uh the main point about the main contention. [2:43:28, 2:43:40]: of our analysis was that there are LI uses in the area. So the proper the the rezoning wouldn't be considered a spot zoning. So we thought it was it was feasible. That's how we reached our conclusion. [2:43:43, 2:43:53]: But um staff uh recommends denial of heavy industrial and recommends a um light industrial instead. [2:44:01, 2:44:04]: Okay, council, you got any questions further questions from Mr. Anderson or all? [2:44:05, 2:44:20]: Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Uh Mr. Anderson, you you indicated uh a recommendation of heavy and or light on the other side of the railroad and uh on the other side of Rockware. Yes, sir. Um [2:44:21, 2:44:22]: That's okay. [2:44:22, 2:44:23]: Mm-hmm. [2:44:23, 2:44:39]: I uh we we can live with that. And so I would recommend to any business owner that's uh that can hear my voice right now, if you wanna look at uh doing something on the other side of uh rock quarry. [2:44:41, 2:44:42]: We could be in favor of that. [2:44:43, 2:44:45]: But on ML King Harris's trail. [2:44:46, 2:44:53]: adjacent to memorial park and in and adjacent to those residential areas. [2:44:53, 2:44:54]: No. [2:44:56, 2:45:00]: All right, any other comments, uh question from Mr. Annison? [2:45:00, 2:45:17]: Yes ma'am, go ahead. I I beg to um Mayor Pro Tem with all I I don't agree with that either. I mean this is Rock Court Road that goes up and down to the hospital. I'm sorry. I I just kinda I I know what you're saying, but uh no, I don't want them coming thinking they can do that. [2:45:22, 2:45:22]: Oh. [2:45:23, 2:45:26]: You mean in the business part and r about where uh GFL is? [2:45:28, 2:45:38]: Yeah. Oh, it's a street a particular area. Oh, I was about to say Rum Creek. Yeah, wherever. But don't give anybody idea to come and apply for something on that road. [2:45:39, 2:45:42]: That's not a part of our future land use map. [2:45:43, 2:45:44]: Yeah, mayor. [2:45:44, 2:45:55]: Yeah, go ahead, sir. As well, under st uh that it wouldn't be allowed along Rock Quarry Road'cause that's covered by the highway overlay. Uses like that aren't allowed on Rock Quarry, Eagles Landing, Hudson Bridge, no. [2:45:57, 2:46:06]: All right, so this is a public hearing, I need to open this up. And so any any um anybody on from our far left side, any public comments for? [2:46:08, 2:46:11]: In the middle four. Far right, four. [2:46:12, 2:46:16]: Okay, anybody in the far left. [2:46:17, 2:46:18]: In the middle. [2:46:19, 2:46:26]: All right. Okay. Public hearing is now uh closed in that aspect. Uh so on that note, uh Council is there a motion. [2:46:28, 2:46:31]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. I I move to deny. [2:46:31, 2:46:44]: Okay. Is there a second? Second. All right. And that was uh Ms. Alexander, do you second that? Okay, good. And I would imagine there's no further conversation. All in favor of the motion, please indicate? It's an unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Okay. [2:46:47, 2:46:53]: We move on. Zony modification case uh ZM dash two zero two two dash zero one. [2:46:54, 2:46:56]: Emen Fatetti. [2:46:56, 2:47:00]: Applicant and member of a pavival pavivotal. [2:47:00, 2:47:20]: Enterprises, LLC, owner as applicant, requests a zoning modification to modify the previously approved rezoning case RZ-03 04 and its development agreement along with two amendments to allow for proposed Bush Creek Commons townhome development. The applicant requests various changes. [2:47:20, 2:47:40]: to the required amenities and site plan. The property contains 15.895 plus minus plus or minus acres with frontages on Brush Creek Court and Shields Road. It's located landlots 59 and 70 of District 12 within the Starbury City limits. Miss Anderson please. [2:47:40, 2:47:51]: Okay. The applicant requests changes in the number, type, and locations of amenities that were that were required by RZ03-04 and its development agreements. [2:47:52, 2:48:12]: The last known approved site plan was from two thousand five. The applicant justifies the requested changes due to the presence of floodplains and wetlands on the property, plus anticipated high HOA maintenance costs and impractical amenity locations. The developer must still comply with the remaining development conditions of the approved rezoning and development agreement. [2:48:11, 2:48:16]: The current UDC does not list required amenities for multifamily projects. [2:48:18, 2:48:20]: Here's the side of the project right here. [2:48:22, 2:48:24]: It's in the goal. This is uh the land use map. [2:48:29, 2:48:35]: Here's the aerial photo of the site. It's highlighted by the green, the light, the fluorescent green. [2:48:39, 2:48:50]: The property was previously rezoned on July 14, 2003, via RZ 2003 from R2 single family to RM residential multifamily townhome. [2:48:50, 2:48:55]: original original developer in style Brush Creek Court, but he did not construct any buildings. [2:48:56, 2:49:09]: The property location, property's located on both sides of Brush Creek Court, across of North Hemory Boulevard, between a Quick Strip s gas station and a Waffle House restaurant. Shields Road forms the bount the real boundary. [2:49:10, 2:49:23]: Property has eighteen point eight nine five acres, but five point four five acres are in the floodplains and wet plans. The applicant cites this as being one of the reasons why some of the required amenities cannot be installed. Other reasons include [2:49:23, 2:49:27]: Once again a high HOA maintenance cost and in practical locations. [2:49:28, 2:49:31]: Uh the applicants propose to develop forty one town homes. [2:49:33, 2:49:53]: The surrounding zoning to the north you have mobile home residential and SR suburban residential districts. To the south, you have C2 General Commercial, MFR and SR suburban residential districts. To the east you have suburban residential district, west you have C three, which is Heavy Commercial, and C2 General Commercial District. [2:49:53, 2:50:08]: Future land use designation of this property as medium density and low dense density residential. The current use, the existing Brush Creek Court was previously installed to serve the development, but no buildings have been installed. The surrounding land use, you got two mobile home parks. [2:50:09, 2:50:23]: and a metal ridge subdivision. The South Land uses our quick trip and a waffle house and an apartment community. The eastern land uses our metal ridge subdivision and an individual single family residential. And the west land uses our commercial. [2:50:27, 2:50:37]: Um the previous uh approved amenities were um let me go to the table so it can it can be easily seen. [2:50:40, 2:50:43]: Well, here's here's a proper the elevations of the proposed townhomes. [2:50:50, 2:51:10]: The list of proposed amenities changes. Uh number one, uh you want to keep the following. Keep the clubhouse, the pavilion, the gazebo, and the monument sign. And you want to remove the following: soccer field, volleyball court, walking trail, extra parking spaces to serve the amenages to be removed, three wooden benches over brush creek, three. [2:51:10, 2:51:26]: Three wooden bridges over Brush Creek, the Pudding Green, and the Bird Sanctuary. And you want to change the following, reduce the number of playgrounds from one to two. I mean from two to one by having a combined playground rather than a separate tot lot and a playground for older children. [2:51:26, 2:51:45]: And also he wanna add the following, provide a gym and workout space inside the clubhouse, provide grills and benches next to the clubhouse, extend the sidewalk to interconnect to neighborhood developed commercial spaces, and provide a sidewalk stub out for future interconnectivity to neighboring lots. [2:51:46, 2:51:47]: That's it. [2:51:47, 2:51:48]: Clear. [2:51:50, 2:51:50]: Yeah. [2:51:50, 2:52:10]: You have a question, sir. Mr. Blount? Yeah, I got a question. When uh this property in in in uh originally it was the d development agreement on there was already set forward. Was it considered floodplain? Did it become floodplain? Is it was it always been? No, it was always in the floodplain, but uh however uh [2:52:11, 2:52:28]: When you look at the development plan, it doesn't look like it was really well thought out because the way they had some amenities located within the floodplain. And after it did the due diligence, they discovered some additional environmental issues. S so so when s so when he had the l before he built and had the land surveyed. Mm-hmm. [2:52:29, 2:52:30]: Two bill. Mm-hmm. [2:52:31, 2:52:41]: Well, first let me say this, Councilmember Blount, that he's not the original property owner. He's a dish he's a he's a different property owner. Well well that's what I'm saying. When he when when when he got the property though. [2:52:42, 2:53:02]: You you if if I buy a house, I'm gonna have somebody inspect and I wanna know what the just say even by bu I buy a car. Mm-hmm. Has his car ever been in a flood or what is I mean, he he didn't know any any he didn't have any paperwork on the uh existing property of of of those problems prior to uh can I defer to him? The applicant is here. Can I let him answer that question right there? Please. [2:53:02, 2:53:02]: Okay. [2:53:07, 2:53:07]: Yes it is. [2:53:11, 2:53:12]: What is it? [2:53:15, 2:53:16]: What time is it? [2:53:16, 2:53:17]: It's uh [2:53:17, 2:53:19]: I got number eight. [2:53:19, 2:53:33]: It's it's uh number ten on the yeah, I have a question. But first of all, tell me n name and address please, gentlemen. My name's Steve Cole, I'm an attorney. I represent the uh company that's bought the property and their owners, Masood Fatimi and Iman Fatimi. [2:53:33, 2:53:39]: Okay. When when you bought the property, what knowledge did you have of all the things that are going on right now? [2:53:41, 2:54:01]: Part of our discussion with the seller was for them to come and negotiate these issues and resolve these matters directly with y'all, but they seemed both unwilling and unable to do so in good faith. And uh we felt that this project could be made into a very successful project, and we took that risk to to [2:54:01, 2:54:14]: to move forward regardless. So we were aware of the wetland issues and we had asked them to come to y'all to resolve these issues, including moving the amenities, but I'm not sure if they ever did. [2:54:15, 2:54:20]: They had many years to do so and they never it doesn't seem like they ever actually took [2:54:21, 2:54:23]: Uh any um how do you say [2:54:23, 2:54:36]: th initiative to actually do that. Uh I'm not sure why they didn't, but uh now we're here trying to turn this into a successful project for the city. So you're saying you decided that [2:54:38, 2:54:44]: You're gonna purchase this property without any resolution of of prior issues. [2:54:45, 2:54:49]: Now you're gonna divide anyway and remove all these amenities. [2:54:50, 2:55:10]: And take your chances on this end versus having the resolution put in place, resolving those issues prior to now. Is that what you're saying? Mr. Consul, that's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it was overburdened with amenities to start with back in two thousand and two when it was put in place. It's twenty years. [2:55:09, 2:55:17]: Excuse me, man. But twenty years for twenty years this project has sat there with nothing going on. And some of the comments we've had tonight. [2:55:17, 2:55:21]: We talked about revenue because actually the answer to the question from the first [2:55:21, 2:55:29]: arguments w on other issues dealt with income and cost. Cost being controlled by your budgets, income [2:55:29, 2:55:31]: being fuelled by development of property. [2:55:31, 2:55:49]: And that's exactly what the city needs. Is people come and and my clients have a history of buying property that's undeveloped and turning them into successes. Austin Park is a subdivision they built within the last three years in the city of Stockbridge. Eighty one lots and they've built every one and everyone sold. [2:55:49, 2:55:58]: So every indication is that this can be turned into a a successful project. Granted, it is overburdened with um [2:55:58, 2:56:01]: wetlands and other stuff. But they their their plan [2:56:02, 2:56:03]: Doesn't want to build in the wetlands. [2:56:04, 2:56:08]: And it's only forty one lots, there's no reason to have ten amenities. [2:56:08, 2:56:11]: for forty one units with things like a soccer field and [2:56:12, 2:56:13]: Bird sanctuaries. [2:56:14, 2:56:18]: When again I'll go back to it, Austin Park has two has a clubhouse and a and a [2:56:19, 2:56:32]: Uh Austin Park has a playground, green space, and uh grills with benches with parking to share. But uh for eighty one houses. The the current UDC [2:56:32, 2:56:36]: реquires half the number of amenities we're proposing. [2:56:37, 2:56:37]: Not [2:56:38, 2:56:43]: The the eleven amenities that are currently imposed on forty one town homes. [2:56:44, 2:56:46]: Із на [2:56:46, 2:56:52]: reasonable and if we were to apply for zoning today it would not be imposed. [2:56:54, 2:57:06]: I mean I I I get that what what we require for as in our UDC for as amenages. I'm just just one one other looking at how what's the acreage and what what how much acres is considered wetland, uh Ms. Hams? [2:57:10, 2:57:11]: It's considered the web. [2:57:16, 2:57:19]: Over five acres of the eighteen acres is is in the wetland. [2:57:19, 2:57:23]: So you're gonna have thirteen acres roughly plus buildable. [2:57:25, 2:57:29]: Yes, sir. That's correct. Yeah. How many units you're trying to put in thirteen [2:57:29, 2:57:30]: Forty one units. [2:57:31, 2:57:47]: With what amenities? With the I mean with the with the suggested amenities. So you're gonna be you're gonna put forty one units in in in the thirteen plus acres with the three amenities. And that's wiping everything else out. [2:57:47, 2:58:07]: We we are proposing to install the clubhouse bit which is thirteen hundred square feet uh with parking and in within the clubhouse it has uh equipment for gym and also for kitchen. And then besides that we have a pavilion of fifteen by twenty and the [2:58:07, 2:58:27]: Other side of the street across from the clubhouse with benches and grills for enjoyment of the homeowners. And besides that, we have a playground of two age groups within one playground. And we have 3,000 square feet of open space for. [2:58:27, 2:58:29]: Enjoyment of the people for [2:58:30, 2:58:50]: And up besides we have a gazebo for children's school buses and monument in front of the subdivision for uh uh the name of the subdivision. Okay. This the reason this subdivision has been sitting over sixteen years and nobody's approaching to do [2:58:50, 2:59:03]: anything about it is is this issue of too many amenities, too costly to build, and it's very high maintenance for homeowners to be able to handle it. [2:59:05, 2:59:23]: There are just a soccer field and a volleyball court and uh uh playgrounds on the far right side of the subdivision on low grounds which are all floodplains and very n not accessible at all for homeowners. [2:59:24, 2:59:44]: You go to a parking lot of a grocery store, you park right next to the very close to the door of the uh grocery store so be able to access that grocery store. Here they are parked everything on the side of the subdivision, which has you have to actually walk a twenty feet drop. [2:59:44, 2:59:45]: to that [2:59:46, 2:59:48]: And maintain it. [2:59:50, 2:59:52]: It's just not reasonable for forty one homes. [2:59:53, 2:59:57]: To be able to maintain and pay for it. [2:59:58, 3:00:14]: It's just not feasible. These are m probably entry first time buyers or second time buyers and they cannot pay two thousand dollars per year maintenance cost of the uh amenities. It's just not feasible. Then having this development already started though? [3:00:15, 3:00:19]: Development is completed. We are just in the phase of going to start building the homes. [3:00:20, 3:00:40]: The townhomes. Yeah, but'cause I remember so so in the midst of all this, what is what is the total amount of homes gonna be out back? Forty one homes. Forty one townhomes, attached townhomes. But that's what I'm saying. Having this uh you haven't started this development yet? Is that what you're saying? The infrastructure is completed hundred percent. [3:00:40, 3:00:43]: But the homes have not been started to be built on. [3:00:45, 3:00:45]: No buildings. [3:00:48, 3:01:08]: I'm just trying to orientate myself. Is this the one like between with the with the Waffle House on the quick trip and you go straight back? Yes. So that's gonna be the that light gonna be the exit and entrance right there. Cause you're gonna go down to a CODIS Act. Yes. And when you talk about going east on the property, which is the top part, that's [3:01:08, 3:01:25]: the part where the wetland is gonna be that's where the part where the wet cola sac is past the cola sac way down below is where the uh amenities suggested to be take it no I see what amenity is I'm saying where's the uh on this where's the wetlands located? Is it located on the [3:01:26, 3:01:29]: On the far back side of it. [3:01:30, 3:01:33]: And I'm wanting to ask because I I'm trying to figure something out here. Yes. [3:01:35, 3:01:37]: It's oddly bad. [3:01:39, 3:01:41]: Which is it ain't even close. [3:01:42, 3:01:43]: No, but fifteen eighty. [3:01:44, 3:01:45]: Where are the wheeling on it? [3:01:45, 3:01:52]: Yeah, I think we had a good map. [3:01:59, 3:02:00]: So can you see that? [3:02:02, 3:02:09]: That the green is uh and the pink are the f flood zones and wetlands. The [3:02:10, 3:02:13]: So it's basically indicating that [3:02:14, 3:02:34]: It's it's indicating that the amenities as originally drawn are lying in the flood zones, which is a general no-no for any type of construction. It leads to higher maintenance costs. Uh part of the reason those are flood zones is because they're they happen to be a valley. [3:02:33, 3:02:53]: So not only would they be s in the flood zone, but they'd be surrounded by tall trees that were not allowed to be to cut down. So if you can imagine maintaining a soccer field in a volleyball court with nothing but tall trees around it, it it's and f potential flooding every so many years. [3:02:53, 3:03:13]: It's not reasonable. Unfortunately, that doesn't lend very much space for where else to put these amenities. Given the site restrictions, there is a part of what you're not seeing is that there is a large section. [3:03:13, 3:03:15]: I don't know if you can. [3:03:15, 3:03:35]: See my mouse circling right here. That's a detention pond that services a large portion of the commercial development in front, as well as the townhome. So on top of the five acres, that would be flood zone, and you'll have some acreage over here, which we can't access. [3:03:35, 3:03:42]: And then you'll have more acreage that's part of the detention pond facilities that are also non developable. [3:03:43, 3:03:45]: Let me um let me just ask this question. [3:03:45, 3:03:47]: When you're coming into that property [3:03:48, 3:03:56]: On the Waffle House side, is that one lane and then there's two lanes on the other side? Is that the way it is or is two lanes on both sides? [3:03:56, 3:04:14]: Um so as you enter this is the Waffle House on the right. Oh there's it's a two lane access, yes. In in into the subdivision. Into the subdivision, yes. That's a that's a standard I think what, twenty-six foot width or twenty-four foot width road? Twenty-six maybe? [3:04:14, 3:04:29]: Twenty four. Twenty-four. Yeah. It's a two-lane two lane road. And as drawn on the paperwork, they're gonna be all rear entry garages and the HOA will be in charge of maintaining those access alleyways. [3:04:30, 3:04:35]: Um that helps provide a nice front for all the homes. Okay. [3:04:36, 3:04:56]: I'm through. Okay, good. Uh uh Mr. Azahn, go ahead, please. What what I'm keying on is this map and uh we can read. Okay. The pink areas are a five hundred year flood, which is a uh just a incredible amount of water. Um the green area is a hundred year flood uh around. [3:04:56, 3:05:00]: round where you're showing down most of the area. Those are exceptional [3:05:01, 3:05:21]: you know rains that may happen uh through acts of nature, but that's not to be expected uh to come forth. There's something that may or may not happen. And so that's why they call it a hundred year flood. It's not something that's gonna be routine or expected to be something that would occur uh with frequency like we [3:05:21, 3:05:25]: We got at the dog park. This that's what the map says, correct? [3:05:25, 3:05:45]: Yes, it does not show fifty year or ten year floods. That being said, they do receive frequent inundations of water and the if if we were to build structures that would be illegal. The point of a hundred-year flood zone is to not encourage [3:05:45, 3:05:55]: [11155.4, 11159.1]: It would increase the HOA's cost. [3:05:59, 3:06:07]: Well, everyone's costs would be increased. And that but at the same time, we're not recommending to to [3:06:08, 3:06:09]: The current UDC [3:06:10, 3:06:14]: Would only require, I believe, two amenities plus a green space. [3:06:15, 3:06:28]: We have chosen a clubhouse, a pavilion, and a combined playground that's m more, plus we're choosing the m the better amenities, amenities people will use. [3:06:29, 3:06:32]: The You don't think people use the walking trail? [3:06:33, 3:06:45]: I think that it would be very costly to have insurance on three bridges that go through a mature forest. They're there it's literally going through a wetland. [3:06:48, 3:06:53]: Excuse me, I apologize. [3:06:53, 3:07:04]: Okay. Uh in terms of uh what we're looking at here, so uh let me ask staff. So was Austin Park and this location both loan b owned by the same landowner? [3:07:04, 3:07:10]: Austin Park, uh I'm not sure, probably but before my time, um uh [3:07:10, 3:07:17]: So you built Austin. Who did you did you buy Austin part from the same people you buy this one from? So [3:07:17, 3:07:31]: We purchased Austin Bar from different people and and not from the same people. Right. But what I'm saying is that when these developments were done, as you say, Austin Park is develop is uh amenities poor. [3:07:31, 3:07:35]: because it did not get the amenities. It would seem to me that [3:07:35, 3:07:39]: Whoever did this development probably did both of them at the same time. [3:07:40, 3:07:41]: And when they were doing so [3:07:42, 3:07:58]: that they anticipated that these projects would probably be connected and that you would have amenities that both of these communities could use, not just one. So because Austin Park doesn't have basically any amenities. Is that correct, Stan? What what amenities does Austin Park have? [3:07:58, 3:07:59]: Uh [3:08:00, 3:08:06]: I'm not sure Councilman uh Alexander. We build that subdivision. He can ask it at like three. [3:08:07, 3:08:27]: It was two different developers. Um and I don't see how the two neighborhoods would have been proposed to share amenities, being that it was two different developers and these are private amenities. So um the the code does not specify very carefully under one hundred h units or actually [3:08:27, 3:08:35]: The question was how many amenities does Austin Park have? [3:08:36, 3:08:39]: If you consider an open space an amenity, it would be three. [3:08:40, 3:08:41]: Okay. [3:08:41, 3:09:01]: There's benches and grills, there's an open space and there's a combined playground for multiple ages. Okay, so there's a playground and then there's a green space and then there's some benches. So basically they don't have any amenities to me, in what I would go by in terms of what would be required. They don't have any amenities. So [3:09:01, 3:09:21]: So I'm looking at it through my rear room window saying whoever did these two developments probably had something in line where they might have had these two neighborhoods working together. Because it makes sense that they're so close together that you would put the amenities in this neighborhood and that you would allow the residents to use both of these. [3:09:21, 3:09:41]: Locations together. It just co-happens that you where you came along and you're gonna develop them separately. But I I have a problem with anybody coming in here telling us to make the development cheaper and to eliminate the amenities that were included in it. This is a superior development. [3:09:41, 3:10:01]: Development with all of these amenities in it, which is the walking trail, the volleyball court, all of those things are awesome. That'll be an amazing community for somebody to live in. And it certainly would be again where if you were able to spread those costs between Austin Park and [3:10:01, 3:10:21]: this particular neighborhood, then it certainly would be able to uh factor in because the people at Austin Park don't have any amenities to access. Maybe they would have choose to, who knows. But the main point that I'm trying to make here is that we spent$20 million to develop a trail system in this city. [3:10:21, 3:10:41]: And you're coming in here to ask us to eliminate a trail system. You're coming in here to ask us to eliminate amenities in a the in a in a in a neighborhood where amenities help increase the value of the community. So my last question would be how much what is the pro target price point and the square footage on [3:10:41, 3:10:42]: The homes. [3:10:45, 3:11:02]: The screw with the uh digits of the home, depending uh where we finish the base most of these uh last probably gonna have some basements. Mm-hmm. Whether we finish or not somewhere from two thousand to twenty three, maybe twenty five hundred square feet. But the average about twenty one, twenty two hundred square feet. [3:11:03, 3:11:23]: Okay, and then price point all it gets dictated by the market. Uh six months ago I thought that we can sell around four hundred, but I don't think we can do that anymore. Probably somewhere between three hundred to four hundred. And questioning uh I mean uh thinking about what you just said, combining two different [3:11:23, 3:11:43]: Totally different two subdivisions. Uh the homeowners using each other's amenities. That's the first myth for me to come across with. And it required the two HOAs get together, create bylaws, and on and on and on. It's just not reasonable charges. [3:11:43, 3:12:03]: Each other for usage, who uses this and the other. It's just not reasonable. But the uh main thing is this. Okay, let's let's assume that we uh agree to incur the cost to produce the volleyball court, the uh soccer field in the floodplain, and the [3:12:03, 3:12:12]: playground is in the flood uh also is in the uh flood plain. Let's assume that we agree cost on all apart is not an issue. [3:12:13, 3:12:15]: HOA cannot sustain it. [3:12:17, 3:12:22]: They will easily give it up and leave it for go to trash. [3:12:22, 3:12:42]: No question asked. Even the amenities we are proposing for forty one homes is very expensive to maintain. Insurance, maintenance, upkeep, and taxes. We have come across with amenities we are proposing they have to pay somewhere around eight hundred to thousand dollars per year with the ones we are proposing. [3:12:42, 3:12:43]: [11563.5, 11571.7]: But the bonds in are in the books, it could be about twenty to twenty-five hundred dollars a year. They cannot homeowner forty-one homes. [3:12:52, 3:12:53]: If it was hundred homes. [3:12:54, 3:12:55]: I would say maybe. [3:12:55, 3:13:15]: It was even subdivisions over hundreds, two hundred and fifty homes, they don't have even four amenities. This is just excessive burden and that this is one of the reasons this uh neighborhood has been just sitting there for sixteen years and nobody wants to touch it. Mm-hmm. Because of these issues. I can see that. [3:13:15, 3:13:35]: I agree. Ms. Cannon, you can't. So I just you just happened to myself and the mayor live in a subdivision that um shares an HOA community thing. They come over to us Mandorly, which is right next door to us. They actually share in our amenities. Um is that correct, Ms. [3:13:35, 3:13:41]: Yeah. Okay. So we actually have that, just so you know. Um but [3:13:41, 3:13:53]: This is fifteen acres and there are laws about being uh near flood areas that's marked flood areas. I'm very I I get it. Um [3:13:54, 3:14:03]: The retention pond. Who will be responsible for the retention pond once you guys build everything and leave? Number one. Number two, um [3:14:04, 3:14:16]: It's fifteen acres. So I can see reducing uh you know, a bird watching sanctuary and some of those other uh some things that uh that I I do believe there's a lot [3:14:17, 3:14:18]: Um [3:14:20, 3:14:22]: I do believe that [3:14:22, 3:14:25]: that in two thousand three whoever [3:14:25, 3:14:26]: develop this plan [3:14:27, 3:14:30]: It wasn't really actually reasonable within that time frame. [3:14:30, 3:14:34]: And I'm shocked that you gave me a price of three or four hundred thousand. [3:14:34, 3:14:36]: For a town home near the [3:14:36, 3:14:37]: The QT. [3:14:38, 3:14:57]: An apartment complex and a waffle house and some uh trailer parks in the back. I'm really shocked that you gave me that number. Is it high or too low? Well I don't wanna say. I'm just shocked that you gave me that number. What why? Right? I'm just wondering what anything you call. And I my question is [3:14:58, 3:15:02]: My question is we have you saying forty one homes. [3:15:03, 3:15:03]: We do [3:15:04, 3:15:12]: Um, you know, I I would love to see an attachment to the trail or extended uh a a larger, what is it, ten feet sidewalks? [3:15:12, 3:15:20]: Uh is that what we mean? Along along the yes. The ten feet sidewalks would be within reason, right? Connecting um [3:15:20, 3:15:22]: Out to the main road there? [3:15:22, 3:15:23]: Um [3:15:24, 3:15:26]: And I wouldn't be [3:15:26, 3:15:35]: Uh oh and my my other question would be retention pond and then my other question is with the owners, are the owners gonna be required to have flood hazard insurance? [3:15:36, 3:15:56]: Do you know that or not? Yeah, because they're outside of the flood zones, I don't believe they would require extra insurance. That would be if their structures were lying within flood zones. Um the f as for the detention pond, there's already a reciprocal agreement. The original developer who [3:15:56, 3:16:04]: Had uh actually built the commercial areas out in front, had set in place an agreement between the commercial properties. [3:16:05, 3:16:25]: as well as this property that the HOA would technically be responsible for the maintenance, however the cost would be shared depending on the amount of use. So each of those commercial properties would be required to chip in for that maintenance. I think another thing to consider is that we [3:16:24, 3:16:44]: We do have the access roads going around all of the properties, and it does follow along Brush Creek there, and that access road functions as a walking path, including for dogs or whoever. They'll have the homes on one side and the creek and the forests. [3:16:44, 3:16:51]: Forest on the other side. And so they can use that as a walking trail. It's not quite [3:16:52, 3:17:12]: It's not quite as amazing of course as wandering straight through a forest, but there are inherent challenges with maintaining forty one townhomes, maintaining a walking trail that goes through flood zones, wetlands, and mature forests that is it just it [3:17:12, 3:17:32]: Just it's above and beyond what I would think an HOA of this size should be required to handle. Well it would be very expensive to handle all those amenities plus some. And I uh I'm looking at it, I don't know whether or not it would it would not require to be for uh a homeowner to have home blood house. [3:17:32, 3:17:35]: has an insurance or not. I'm just gonna be honest with you. [3:17:35, 3:17:38]: Looking at it, um attorney, uh what do you think? [3:17:39, 3:17:45]: That would be a lender requirement typically. It would be a requirement. If it's in a flood zone typically they require flood insurance. If it's not, they don't. [3:17:45, 3:18:01]: Right. And it's pretty close there. I mean it's fifteen eighty. You are you aren't. And you could be in a flood zone by lateral lines or by vertical lines. Okay. You can be above a flood zone and still be sitting in a flood zone. [3:18:02, 3:18:06]: Okay. And um in regard uh what did you say? [3:18:09, 3:18:18]: Okay. All right. And in regards to um I see those the first town homes there. I my other concern would be [3:18:18, 3:18:24]: I don't know about combining a playground. I kinda like the idea of having two playgrounds, one for the [3:18:24, 3:18:28]: closer to one area and one closer to the back end of the of the [3:18:28, 3:18:31]: Um community. [3:18:31, 3:18:39]: I'm sorry. No, go go ahead with your colour. Other than that, um, you know, I I understand reducing some of the amenities. Um [3:18:39, 3:18:51]: But y again you said between three and four hundred thousand, I'm a I I ex that's what I'm gonna expect that property to be worth. I expect it. Well that uh [3:18:53, 3:19:13]: Everything depends on the economy. Again, uh six months ago, anything anybody built, any product they put on got sold. We were that time we thought that we can uh do around four hundred. And given the fact that we uh that also depends, as you mentioned, it's the score of footage. [3:19:13, 3:19:33]: and what you put inside the house, uh, in terms of bells and whistles. So uh six months from now that we're gonna actually probably building maybe three months from now if everything goes well, everybody talking about recession. But so we have to kind of consider what the market can absorb [3:19:33, 3:19:39]: at that time. But uh I believe we would be within three to four hundred thousand range. [3:19:40, 3:19:41]: Yeah. [3:19:41, 3:19:42]: Okay. Go ahead, Mr. Blount. [3:19:43, 3:19:52]: Um yeah, I'm I mean I'm I'm looking at this pri I mean y you you're just talking about forty one units. Yeah. You know, and in our um [3:19:54, 3:20:00]: In our requirements, I think is it that they we have a list and they're required to do three. [3:20:01, 3:20:07]: And those specifics on those three, we leave that lead way to the builder, pretty much, right? [3:20:07, 3:20:27]: Yes, sir. But technically in the MFR district, uh UDC doesn't specify amenities for multifamily. However, in subdivisions, it it it it expresses it. Yeah. So MFR you really don't have to do it. Yeah, and you're talking only forty-one units. And if the elevation is higher than the flip, [3:20:27, 3:20:30]: Planes won't even play a role in there and [3:20:30, 3:20:39]: You got property that's been empty from in my opinion, when you guys say I don't know, sixteen years? Over sixteen years. Yeah, so. Two thousand three started. [3:20:40, 3:20:41]: Sound like a good deal to me. [3:20:42, 3:21:02]: Any other questions? Yeah. Go right, please. The city actually has in our twenty million dollar trail plan, we actually have trails along Brush Street. So this would actually be at some point hopefully tying into those trails. That's why the walking pail is so important because our trail network doesn't [3:21:02, 3:21:22]: include Brush Creek Trail if you look at the$20 million that was actually approved. So I'm looking at that and I know what you're saying. I mean we have Reeves Creek Trail that's built some partially it's in a floodplain. You know I mean sometimes that's just how it is. If you're building trails, that's some that's gonna be the result sometime. [3:21:22, 3:21:42]: So I certainly would not like to see the trail uh eliminated from the project uh because of the money and the investment and the commitment that we have made uh to that area. So at this point, you're proposing what tr what what what is it that you're committed to that you're coming in here today, you're [3:21:42, 3:21:46]: trying to eliminate pretty much everything except three? That's what you're trying to do? [3:21:47, 3:22:03]: We are proposing the clubhouse, which as I mentioned earlier, thirteen hundred squ square feet of clubhouse with uh a few parking spaces, which next to it is going to be the centralized uh mailboxes. [3:22:04, 3:22:24]: uh with a handicapped. And then across street we're gonna have a pavilion, uh fifteen by twenty. Next to it is going to be uh benches and grills for enjoyment of the community. And then next to that's going to be in front of [3:22:24, 3:22:40]: In order to be able to accomplish to have single playground for two age groups. And then next to that we're gonna have 3,000 square feet of open space solid area. [3:22:41, 3:22:52]: And then next to that's going to be the gazebo for the school bus. And then if next to that, in front of subdivision, we're gonna have the m ground-based monument for the name of the subdivision. [3:22:53, 3:23:13]: That by itself is a lot of stuff to take care of and maintain. I think homeowners is all going to be in the walking distance of their homes. They don't have to go down the hill or up the hill in the flood or dirt and this and the other. And as as to walking trail, as uh Imon mentioned, these homes [3:23:13, 3:23:33]: Homes are rear entry, rear rear loaded. Basically, the garages are in the back of the homes. We're gonna install the access road past and beyond the current roadways going to the cul-de-sac, uh, from one side to the other side, entering from one side going to the other. [3:23:33, 3:23:53]: But currently it's about I think 14 feet wide. It could serve as a walking turf. People can just walk underneath the trees on the other side of the st uh access road. It's gonna be a huge loop, just people walking around underneath the trees. And not in addition to that, creating another one just uh [3:23:53, 3:24:13]: Fo uh per original uh agreement there's a 1400 square uh feet of walking trail that has crossed the creek a couple times. Liability issues, again going through the other uh uh floodplain areas, a lot of trees, maintenance, cleanup, insurance. [3:24:13, 3:24:29]: insurance is just not feasible in our opinions. And we beg the board to consider this for the good of the city and ours, to get this thing built to generate income for city and another happy community like Austin Park. [3:24:29, 3:24:49]: So if you eliminated all three of the bridges, how would they get back? I mean, can they across at all? We are proposing not to build it. We're basically having these other amenities instead of those three, four that we're uh eliminating. And they're all again uh very accessible from the walking distance. [3:24:49, 3:25:01]: from main drag of the subdivision. And they already have sidewalks on both sides. And we're connecting those sidewalks to the commercial buildings in front of the subdivision. [3:25:01, 3:25:17]: That all by itself is plenty. Uh this is not just that we are trying to save cost on building it. Mostly we're looking in the lens of homeowners in the future that they're gonna have to carry the burden. That's the main focus. [3:25:18, 3:25:27]: If you guys decide to turn us down, we'll build it, it's gonna go down the trash. No no problem for us. We just came over here to create something for the HOA. [3:25:28, 3:25:31]: to be able to handle it, maintain it, pay for it. [3:25:32, 3:25:33]: That's the main thing. [3:25:33, 3:25:38]: So in other words, whether whatever we do, you will still be able to build it is with what you're saying. [3:25:39, 3:25:44]: Um I I'm saying No matter what decision we'll make, you will still be able to build it. Is that what you're saying? [3:25:44, 3:26:04]: We'll consider the consequences after this. Mayor. It's just it's I'm gonna you done the standard. No, I wanna go back over I wanna verify what he just said. Stand by so the you said the clubhouse is still going to be included, correct? Exactly. The covered pavilion with the fireplace, is that still included that's in part of the [3:26:04, 3:26:13]: Clubhouse? We were proposing grills and benches instead of a fireplace. We figured a grill is a little more usable. Uh fireplace. I mean [3:26:13, 3:26:25]: I kinda like the covered fireplace. So okay, uh okay. And then uh the solid sports area you said you were including that too. Say again. The solid sports area is included. [3:26:26, 3:26:39]: Yeah, three thousand square feet as drawn on the map there, yes. It's not quite as big as the soccer field originally proposed, but it soccer field didn't fit in the land available outside of the flood areas. [3:26:39, 3:26:42]: Okay, so but pretty much you're talking about eliminating [3:26:42, 3:26:44]: The pudding green. [3:26:44, 3:26:47]: The tennis courts with the basketball goals. [3:26:47, 3:27:02]: Um technically there was an amendment that the walking drills. The the there was an amendment that changed the tennis court to a soccer field. Um but there were some lost site development plans that we could not originate. [3:27:04, 3:27:04]: Okay. [3:27:05, 3:27:10]: No, I was telling this it's some book or someone's um Mayor. [3:27:10, 3:27:18]: Clubhouse only having five parking spaces. Is that what what is the recommendation from the city? [3:27:21, 3:27:32]: See it so look at the second column on your page. I'm thinking it's uh there was extra parking spaces dedicated parking space. [3:27:37, 3:27:38]: [12460.4, 12461.3]: And then we [3:27:41, 3:27:44]: Item number two, where there's a extra parking in. [3:27:48, 3:27:51]: Basically warm pool uh depending on the seats. [3:27:55, 3:27:59]: Okay. [3:28:02, 3:28:03]: One per what? [3:28:03, 3:28:06]: four fixed seats, depending on the number of seats. [3:28:09, 3:28:22]: Depending on the number of seats inside of the clubhouse. Well well, actually um pin if we categorize it as a club, so it would be five per one thousand square feet. So he would need to do um six [3:28:25, 3:28:45]: So um whatever is is being proposed it it will meet the code. So this is preliminary, but whatever comes informally before um our we have a technical review committee that reviews for all building, civil engineering, planning and zoning, fire, life safety, um and [3:28:45, 3:29:04]: building and we will make sure that of course all the other requirements are met as well as the additional um the conditions of the development agreement. And I think you wanna need us to speak into the record what Right. Okay, what they're asking for. And that was a list that just went away. [3:29:04, 3:29:07]: Yes, it's it's happening. So uh so the the proposed [3:29:08, 3:29:14]: Um items to keep are the clubhouse, which is thirteen hundred square feet. [3:29:14, 3:29:28]: the pavilion, the gazebo, and the monument sign. They're requesting to remove the soccer field, the volleyball court, the walking trail, extra parking spaces to serve the amenities. [3:29:29, 3:29:32]: Three wooden bridges over Brush Creek. [3:29:32, 3:29:34]: Putting Green and Bird Sanctuary. [3:29:35, 3:29:55]: Well what he said was that there was gonna be three thousand sided green spaces. That's not included here, but that well that's what was stated, right? But what is staff recommendation? I believe all neighborhoods are required to have uh an open space. So so what is staff's recommendation? So staff [3:29:55, 3:30:10]: I'm gonna continue to read this into the record for the city clerk if you all don't mind. Um they're looking to change or reduce the number of playgrounds from two to one by having a combined playground rather than a separate tot lot. [3:30:10, 3:30:12]: And uh playground for older children. [3:30:13, 3:30:14]: And they will provide the following [3:30:15, 3:30:18]: A gym and workout space inside the clubhouse. [3:30:18, 3:30:30]: grills and benches next to the clubhouse, extend the sidewalks to in to interconnect to the neighborhood, developed commercial spaces, and provide a sidewalk stub out for future interconnective [3:30:33, 3:30:53]: For me, I would have to have the walking trails. I mean, that's what we're doing in terms of the city and where we're trying to go. I would certainly have to have the walking trails. I could see the pudding green uh being eliminated in the volleyball court uh being eliminated. Um the bird sanctuary feeder. [3:30:53, 3:31:05]: birdhouses, benches, I could see that'll be eliminated. So that would be three, but I certainly would like to see uh the walking trails included in any neighborhood that we got going forward. [3:31:06, 3:31:07]: Okay. [3:31:07, 3:31:15]: So the sidewalk is what, four to five feet? Typically? It's five. Five feet and the walking trail would at least be eight feet, eight to ten. [3:31:15, 3:31:26]: Usually about eight feet, yes. Right. So w would it be much of a problem to extend it three additional feet? Do you still what you gotta identify as a sidewalk so that'd be p it can be turned into a trail right there, I would imagine. [3:31:26, 3:31:39]: The sidewalks have already been installed as a result. And and the streets have already been installed um as a result of the previous Oh, there's no sidewalks. So the walking trails, I guess we have to determine where those can be if you guys want to speak on that. [3:31:41, 3:32:01]: The standard sidewalks within the subdivision within the which is in the books is for I think four feet right now. So we have agreed to extend that to the front of the subdivision. Uh eight B. So I don't just foresee if T be widening it, what could that would uh [3:32:01, 3:32:19]: It's uh plus if you bring it in front of the subdivision being ten feet, bring it in front of the homes four feet, which seems to be more reasonable because the setbacks only ten feet from the property line, it makes it very difficult to have any wider sidewalk. [3:32:19, 3:32:26]: We we need a dedicated uh walking trail. That's that's what I'd like to see. A dedicated walking trail. Some of this other stuff might be [3:32:27, 3:32:36]: If you if you see the access roads that encompass the the town homes, those function as a walking trail. They they border the forested area and the creek. [3:32:37, 3:32:41]: And then hopefully if people maintain their homes, having the homes on one side will still be [3:32:41, 3:32:47]: Just beautiful and it won't require any extra maintenance on the homeowners. [3:32:47, 3:32:50]: But the homeowners are united. Satwall. [3:32:51, 3:33:00]: No. The the walking trail is already twenty foot wide. It's is now technically there would be traffic on that road, but these are these are [3:33:00, 3:33:03]: slow going roads, people need to pay attention. [3:33:03, 3:33:05]: But uh [3:33:06, 3:33:10]: The access road already encompasses the neighborhood and follows along the creek. [3:33:10, 3:33:11]: Mm-hmm. [3:33:12, 3:33:32]: You wanna show it? That heavily uh shaded areas behind the town homes. That's what he's referring to, which is access road behind the homes, which is right next m the ones on the left on the upper side. [3:33:32, 3:33:52]: side next they're next to the creek, they can actually see the creek. The ones on the other side is just pretty much entire area wooded and heavily uh a lot of trees. So what uh Iman is mentioning is the fact that they can use that uh access road all around behind the buildings as [3:33:52, 3:34:12]: Uh walking trail without they're still maintaining it without actually uh paying additional maintenance costs to have the walking trail. I'm okay with it. All right. Yeah, go ahead please. Yeah, I'm I'm looking at you talking about forty one homes. That's why they don't party. [3:34:12, 3:34:32]: Um we we're talking 41 homes and and and uh I like the I like that you guys are building the um garages on the back side of the homes because usually when you see this type of development, they're they're on the front side. Yes. And I like the access road behind there. You guys are gonna build it. [3:34:32, 3:34:52]: The higher where it won't be in the Flood Plains area. You you've chosen your amenities, and I have to say it's only 41 townhomes and they are all for sale and there'll be homeowners in them. So um Mayor, I like to go ahead and public hearing, sir. Oh, just public hearing? Public hearing. Oh, okay. So I on that note, the note of the question as far as a public hearing. [3:34:52, 3:35:03]: I'd like to open it up to the public. And any questions, I mean any c questions or concerns in favor on my left over here? You can have a speaker. Any in the middle? On the right hand side. [3:35:05, 3:35:08]: I'm sorry. They they have some comments? [3:35:09, 3:35:11]: This is in favor now. [3:35:12, 3:35:18]: This is in favor. Well come on up. Okay, I didn't realize it. Come on up. Um your name and um [3:35:18, 3:35:25]: Address please. Uh Scott Doohart, uh six thirty two Spray Berry. Scott Doohart. [3:35:27, 3:35:31]: Uh I'm at six thirty two, Sprayberry Drive. [3:35:33, 3:35:53]: Uh I do live in Austin Park. Uh so I got a lot. I'm I'm on the HOA, so I got a lot of uh things to say. Well, I don't have a lot, but I can just jot it. Uh as he previously mentioned, five months after year, uh you really can't use the park, the volleyball court, soft soccer field, or walking trail. Uh we currently have an issue at the parks with kids. [3:35:53, 3:36:13]: Kids having sex, homeless people hanging out, uh, and we just had to pay 4K for a fence and we're paying another 5k for security. So I wouldn't recommend two parks personally. Uh having all these amenities brings problems and from the outside, as he mentioned, the homeowner secures all the cost of maintaining the property. So [3:36:13, 3:36:13]: The uh [3:36:15, 3:36:35]: Trailer Park behind us, we find people up there hanging out. Uh it's nice that he's building a school bus hangout for the kids because right now we have complaints about kids just hanging out in everyone's yard. So I'm in vote of him reducing amenities and I'm not agreement of trying to come together. It's too many personalities, too many different homeowners. [3:36:35, 3:36:45]: associations mentally is just a lot. But I do agree with what he's got, what he's doing currently. And Councilman, you said 300,000 to 400,000. [3:36:45, 3:37:05]: Inflation right now. We paid 230 something, 240 something. It's just the time we're living in. If he was to offer me a home right now for three hundred fifty thousand dollars, brand new bill in this area, I would still buy it. That's all. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate your time and effort. All right. So that was that was comment four. Any more? Four in the middle. Uh four in the far. [3:37:05, 3:37:12]: Uh right. Okay. Any comments against in the far left. Against in the middle? [3:37:13, 3:37:20]: Uh ma'am, you wanted to make a a a comment against I guess this? Okay. Name and uh name and uh address please. [3:37:21, 3:37:33]: Yes. Good evening. My name is uh Darlene Brewster Clark. That's my husband, Freddie Clark, and we are adjacent to this project. We're at one forty one Shields Road. [3:37:33, 3:37:35]: And my concern [3:37:36, 3:37:44]: Well, first of all, let me say thank you to to you for allowing me to uh speak. I have several concerns in [3:37:44, 3:37:58]: The first concern is that when we talk about the access road, that access road is running right on the side of our property. And there is and I and I understand [3:37:58, 3:38:12]: the purpose of this meeting. But what's important is that part of what they are trying to do and get approved is on land that has not been determined is theirs. [3:38:14, 3:38:19]: So that's a big concern that we're going through right now. So what I'm saying now [3:38:19, 3:38:39]: We've said behind closed doors, and we're saying publicly now. I want everybody to understand that the part of the access road that we're talking about is adjacent with our property. And I just wanted to show you a few things. Uh in addition to that, we're in a very calm neighborhood, and now we're talking [3:38:39, 3:38:48]: About right at Shields Road, and north of our property, we're talking about building a playground. [3:38:48, 3:38:51]: I think the project, as someone has already said, [3:38:52, 3:38:54]: It could be successful. [3:38:55, 3:39:09]: I really believe that it could be successful. But I'm concerned at being approved today with some of the property that you are assuming belong to you because we have one survey, they have another survey. [3:39:10, 3:39:28]: And the surveys are not matching. And we're trying to sit down and discuss where the property lines are. Attorney Cole has uh given me some information to try given us information to try to consider, but one of the documents that [3:39:29, 3:39:40]: Linda Logan presented to me shows that the applicant has already moved on the plans, have already moved our fence back. [3:39:40, 3:39:55]: over half of the acres that we have at the bottom of our property. We live in four point two five acres of land. And as I show you, um let's see, I think he told me to do view. [3:39:56, 3:40:15]: And full screen mode. I know it sounds like everybody is positive about what they want to do today, and I don't have any objections to the project itself. My objection has to do with the fact that you are actually taking some of our property and assuming it belongs to you. [3:40:17, 3:40:30]: You wanna let no Okay. You're assuming that it belongs to you and you have actually written it up in the plan to move a fence that has been existing over twenty years unchallenged. [3:40:31, 3:40:31]: So [3:40:34, 3:40:35]: Taki sh. [3:40:36, 3:40:42]: Mr. Anderson, can you help her with that to Yeah, I just want to advance. Show me how to advance on this one. [3:40:43, 3:40:53]: Where are they? Here. There we go. Okay. So the first thing as I said was the access road. That access road runs north [3:40:53, 3:40:55]: On our property east west. [3:40:56, 3:40:56]: And [3:40:57, 3:41:03]: When you pull that fence back, it gives you more room to build that access road. [3:41:03, 3:41:06]: Am I making sense so far? Go ahead, please. Okay. [3:41:07, 3:41:26]: And so we talked about the noise of the playgrounds, and I know that we we're saying that we're not gonna build two, we're gonna build one, and it sounds like I heard us say that we're gonna put that second playground in the rear end of the project, which is gonna be closer to Shields Road. [3:41:31, 3:41:38]: The playground is no longer? Okay, because one of the one of the plans that was presented to me. [3:41:38, 3:41:58]: No, Linda sent me plans and and I remember we are not arguing. So Linda sent me plans that I'm I'm speaking from. And those plans were not put up today, but these plans were received from Linda last week that showed me that the the um [3:41:59, 3:42:03]: The the line, the fence had been moved. The property fence [3:42:03, 3:42:10]: It's inside of the plans that you guys are, excuse me, this council is about to approve. [3:42:11, 3:42:11]: And [3:42:12, 3:42:28]: As I spoke with the applicant, one thing was said to me as we were trying to talk through some things, and I felt that there was a form of intimidation there. He we l in in our four point two acres, the whole thing is fenced in. [3:42:28, 3:42:48]: And he said to me that he could call code enforcement to make me take down the fence, all all of the fence. And so I didn't I didn't get pushed by that. But then also the attorney is saying to me that the assumption is that the applicant owns the property because they [3:42:48, 3:43:01]: There's a thing that's called race notice, meaning that whoever files the deed first in the chain of titles, they actually own the property. [3:43:02, 3:43:12]: And saying that in 2003 that title was filed. Well, the tent the applicant bought the property in 2021. [3:43:13, 3:43:30]: If you look at the chain of titles and you look at our chain of title, then we would have assumed a chain of title in nineteen ninety-three. So I wasn't satisfied with the point that you're trying to negotiate with me about [3:43:30, 3:43:33]: Some property that we haven't established that belongs to you, said [3:43:34, 3:43:38]: So I'll skip this because we've already talked about this part. [3:43:39, 3:43:52]: The difference in the degrees has to do with they're saying that it's an eighty-nine degree difference, eighty-seven degree, that's two degrees difference in the property. [3:43:53, 3:44:13]: The survey discrepancies have dated back prior to 2003, 2003. Fence been there for two over 20 years. We've paid property and main property taxes and maintained this property for all these years. And so here is the if you look at this particular one, this is the [3:44:13, 3:44:31]: Diagram that Linda sent to me. I didn't draw this. And you see where they've already taken the fence and pulled it back. This is our property. And if you look at the property here, they're proposing to take over half of this part of our four acres. [3:44:32, 3:44:52]: Because you assume this in your plan. I mean, this is what I received from Linda. Please I didn't draw this. Please address me, ma'am. Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't draw this. This was presented to me that where the fence was, now in the proposed plan, you move the fence out that covers over half of the land. [3:44:52, 3:44:58]: at the bottom part of our property where part of the flood area is. That's where part of the flood area is. [3:44:59, 3:45:19]: So my point was that if we approve it today, you're approving it based on the assumption that part of the property belongs to them and it's gonna be part of what they're actually saying is going to be the access road. If you look right here behind all the trees, that's where they would. [3:45:19, 3:45:28]: We're telling me the access road would be right behind our property there, and proposing to take half, over half of this yard here. [3:45:29, 3:45:45]: That yard right I'm sorry, that yard right there is is you saying it belongs to you. That's that's part of the four point two acres. That belongs to us, but according to them and according to the Georgia race notice law that [3:45:45, 3:45:53]: It belong part of it belongs to them, rightfully. It belongs to them because they filed their deed first in a chain of titles. [3:45:53, 3:46:10]: But if you're going to say you purchased the property in twenty twenty one, we purchased our property in two thousand and five and if you're gonna look at chain of title, our chain of title would have been nineteen ninety three, theirs would have been two thousand and three. I know that's not your [3:46:11, 3:46:31]: Responsibility today. My point or our point is that part of the property that they are declaring is theirs and is part of the plan that you're going to approve today. So is there such a thing as a platter survey for this at all? What is uh a platter survey that indicates what who's what who has what property. [3:46:31, 3:46:37]: property or your property lines, but just y are you Both of us have surveys, but both of the surveys are different. They're different. [3:46:37, 3:46:43]: Okay, hold on. I think Miss Carter was Yeah, both of the surveys are different. Miss Carter you gonna address that or something uh [3:46:43, 3:46:45]: So the the dispute [3:46:45, 3:46:49]: between the two property owners is a civil matter. Um [3:46:50, 3:47:06]: But to be taken under under consideration, we have not final platted this project because it has already gone through the preliminary plat until this happens and they build or and they're ready to build, we'll do a final plat at that time and we'll have to address this matter at that time. [3:47:07, 3:47:20]: I see. Okay. Um stand by sir for a second. Okay. So uh I Oh he wants to ask. I'm sorry, you wanted to it's kinda stated. I just wanted to be sure. [3:47:20, 3:47:40]: We're accurate. The landlord the the deeds say the the deeds prior to her deeds and the pre the deeds not change title, they run along the north or south landlot line. That's the language that's used in the deed itself. One says it runs south eighty-nine degrees, one says it runs south eighty-seven degrees. But nope, but that's [3:47:40, 3:47:46]: There's no th her D well you had a quick claim D didn't you? [3:47:47, 3:47:52]: Well, I don't think it was a warranty deed, but it doesn't matter for here. My purpose for contacting her [3:47:52, 3:47:57]: Which I was kinda shocked to see what we've been talking about today. I was trying to settle the issue without going to court on it. [3:47:57, 3:48:04]: 'Cause it was gonna be expensive for her to deal with it, it's gonna be expensive for us to deal with it. Okay. So we were offering to give her [3:48:04, 3:48:15]: That whole part of the yard that she doesn't own that we do. Okay. Yes, sir. The ten minute rules just hit. So council, I'm I'll just want to ask you whether or not we want to continue this on. Yes, please. Okay. [3:48:15, 3:48:18]: Okay. You get you'll get a chance, sir. You get a chance to answer. [3:48:18, 3:48:24]: Quite okay. So go ahead, continue on, sir. That was my whole point. It's not as it's not as she's stating [3:48:25, 3:48:27]: There are deeds out there, and race notice simply means [3:48:28, 3:48:31]: IDs were on before her, so she can't take something that we already own. [3:48:32, 3:48:36]: And there would be an argument that's probably there'd be a lawsuit about it. There would be an argument about [3:48:36, 3:48:41]: twelve feet or two feet or whatever it worked out to be. And we were trying to avoid that for her. [3:48:41, 3:48:47]: And for us. So we made a a a proposal to her. That's all that was. It wasn't any heavy handed [3:48:47, 3:48:53]: tactics or or trying to overreach. It was simply saying, we've got an issue here that we can resolve. [3:48:53, 3:48:56]: You don't have to hire an attorney, they don't have to pay me, we don't have to go to court and deal with it. [3:48:57, 3:48:58]: We'll give you something you don't have. [3:48:59, 3:49:02]: You'll give us something that we really don't think you have, but we'll take it. [3:49:02, 3:49:07]: in compensation for it anyway, and it would resolve the issue. And that's all that was for. And that's my only reason [3:49:07, 3:49:08]: For wanting to say it. [3:49:08, 3:49:13]: 'Cause it was coming across as if we were trying to be heavy handed with her and that's not the case at all. [3:49:13, 3:49:17]: Thank you, sir. No, may I may I speak on that? Go ahead, please. [3:49:18, 3:49:33]: I wasn't implying that they were being heavy-handed. I was trying to make sure that the law was being equally held. If you're saying that the chain of titles, if the chain of titles for this applicant [3:49:34, 3:49:38]: says in two thousand and three when he did not own the property. [3:49:39, 3:49:59]: That he filed first. If you're gonna use that same logic, use it for me as well. That would mean that we purchased in 2005, but there's a chain of titles that says this title was implemented in 1993. So then that would mean that we actually file first. [3:49:59, 3:50:19]: gonna use chain of titles as to be the um the fact and I wasn't trying to say that they were strong arming me or anything like that. I'm simply saying I'm simply saying that you're looking at a picture where they actually moved the fence and as attorney cole is saying today he's saying we're gonna give her something [3:50:19, 3:50:39]: We're gonna give her something that didn't belong to her, which means that you are assuming based on this information that it belongs to the applicant. Okay. That's what you're assuming when you say I'm gonna give you this deed and you give me that deed. You're assuming that you own the property right now without any Okay. [3:50:38, 3:50:52]: Okay. Well from Miss B Carter indicated it's a civil type civil matter. I somehow I guess we shouldn't be involved in this, but since Mr. Washington's here you're gonna address that, sir. Is that correct? Yes. Go ahead. [3:50:54, 3:50:57]: The matter is best handled as a quiet title action. Okay. [3:50:57, 3:50:58]: What is that? [3:50:59, 3:51:19]: A quiet title action where all the litiGantts are brought into court to determine true title for the properties and they would look at t the judge would make a decision as to who the person that has the correct title is about all the parts in dispute because that wouldn't be something that we would have province over. Now is that something that we we should we should make a decision based on that that or we can make a decision [3:51:19, 3:51:22]: [13882.7, 13894.0]: You can make a decision based on the information you're being presented by Miss Carter, Director Carter's department. Right separate from any of this. Okay, got it. All right. Send Sam by the hold on please. Hold on, please. Mr. Blount. Oh God. [3:51:34, 3:51:36]: Uh [3:51:37, 3:51:43]: It it it it seems that uh it's not for you, uh it's for Miss Johnson. [3:51:44, 3:51:45]: Ms. Johnson. [3:51:46, 3:51:50]: W were you aware of this prior to coming in here? [3:51:50, 3:51:51]: Yes. [3:51:51, 3:52:03]: Um the applic this is a civil matter. This has nothing to do with the request before you. Um it is something that we have to do. But you say that we have to get a final we're we're gonna get a final plat, right? Yes. [3:52:03, 3:52:15]: We have to we will not final plat a property that is not titled to the applicants that are coming before us for permits. We will not. So and final plots actually go to planning commission, not to city council. [3:52:17, 3:52:35]: So final let me get understanding'cause when I'm green in certain areas. So if we final plat it, that means that those are the boundary lines. Yes. So we can't final final plat it until this is resolved. Is that what you're saying? Well yes, absolutely. I mean this has come before the council. So [3:52:35, 3:52:47]: If this isn't resolved, the city itself can't final plat it. Correct. We will not we will not file a lot without clear time. You was very much aware of this because you've given letters to [3:52:48, 3:52:48]: Okay. [3:52:49, 3:52:51]: Why are we even hearing this tonight? [3:52:54, 3:52:55]: We're [3:52:55, 3:53:07]: Ma uh Mr. Alezan, I'm asking a question. It was actually at the planning committee. The first time we met. Okay, we already but we already represented it. Let the city manager let the city manager address this, please. [3:53:08, 3:53:09]: Okay. [3:53:10, 3:53:25]: This is a s if they have any property boundaries dispute is a civil issue. This does not impede this property owner from coming before this city council to ask for relief of zoning conditions. [3:53:25, 3:53:34]: Not to redesign the property, right? Because it's already been redesigned. The streets are in, the infrastructure is already in. This man this been through approval. [3:53:35, 3:53:36]: Uh the county. [3:53:37, 3:53:55]: Years ago and it's been approved. So whatever difference they have in terms of the property boundaries is between these two property units they need to see. He's asking for y'all to do away with some zoning conditions. Has nothing to do with the proper read realigning property boundaries, no way such thing. [3:53:55, 3:53:59]: Hear it based on specifically as it relates to their request for [3:54:00, 3:54:14]: Either eliminating or not eliminating zoning conditions and that's it. Don't talk about anything about property boundaries or anything because then you're drawing us into a civil law secret. Mr Garden, I appreciate that. [3:54:15, 3:54:21]: But if Miss Johnson Helen, I'd like to hear Mr Johnson telling her. With all due respect. [3:54:21, 3:54:40]: W the staff gave whatever information they requested, but I'm asking counsel to hear this based on the request by the con by the applicant for reduction of zoning conditions. Okay. Thanks. Modifications, that's it. All right. All right, good deal. Everybody else please please take a seat. Have a seat, please. [3:54:40, 3:55:00]: And so I was uh ma'am, have a seat please. So what I was I was asking for any anybody else uh that was uh had any other comments, negative comments, I went to the center and out to the right. There was nothing to write. There was nothing to write, so I'm gonna close this public hearing. Public hearing is closed. All right now. Um on that note, uh [3:55:00, 3:55:07]: Council uh um matter of fact, uh uh let's see here, how we wanna do this. [3:55:08, 3:55:14]: I really am gonna need a motion, but uh what I wanna do first though before I ask for a motion, uh city manager and a city attorney. [3:55:16, 3:55:17]: See Madam Senator, come back here, please. [3:55:24, 3:55:44]: I think I understood you m uh mister Gardner in reference to that. Obviously Ms. Uh Carter brought up first about a civil matter we can't get involved in that. But what you're saying, what the applicant was asking for is something we could we could approve if you want to approve that. Just wanna make sure that our our attorneys will apprise an anything additional on the legal aspect that you want [3:55:44, 3:55:46]: [14147.4, 14157.1]: No sir, Your Honor. Okay. All right. Mayor. Yeah, yeah, yes, sir. I just got one question real quick. They could start building today if they wanted to, right? [3:55:58, 3:55:59]: Yes. [3:56:00, 3:56:15]: Because all of that's already been dealt with. The only thing that we're dealing with is deciding what the amenities is. So if we turn them down, they still could go ahead and bill regardless of the property line. They don't need to come back, right? Correct. So basically we just got one issue to resolve. That's it. All right. [3:56:16, 3:56:25]: [14186.4, 14198.4]: Right, right. But they right, right. But the issue is w whatever we could approve it. And and it would drastically looking at the site plan, it would drastically reduce the number of locks that they have. [3:56:39, 3:56:42]: In order to put uh regulation size soccer field. [3:56:42, 3:56:46]: On ten acres plus a regulation volleyball on ten acres. [3:56:47, 3:56:59]: So uh uh personally myself, if you ask me, that that's okay. I just want to w I'd like to see the walking trails. All right. So thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate it. Council, I need a motion to accept this proposal that's before us. [3:57:00, 3:57:01]: Mirror. [3:57:02, 3:57:02]: Yes, sir. [3:57:04, 3:57:06]: Okay. Did you want to make a motion? Yeah. Go right here? [3:57:10, 3:57:13]: Put the uh put the amenities back up there again, please. [3:57:38, 3:57:58]: Okay, thank you. We as the city manager suggested, uh, we can remove the soccer field, we can remove the volleyball court, uh, we can remove the pudding green, we can remove the bird sanctuary. Um that was the suggestion, correct, sir? I mean that was what you suggested, those two items. [3:57:58, 3:58:00]: [14286.4, 14306.4]: Uh I was adding the fact that those are sizable um amenities that obviously would eat up developable land in order to make it happen. Um or put it in the floodplain, which obviously you don't want to really do that. Right. So those that was the soccer field and the volleyball court, correct? Yeah. Okay, so the soccer field could be [3:58:26, 3:58:46]: Eliminated, the volleyball court could be eliminated, uh, the pucket putting green could be eliminated, the bird sanctuary uh could be eliminated. Uh the motion is to include the clubhouse, the pavilion, the gazebo, uh the monument sign, the walking trail, uh, and the extra [3:58:46, 3:58:56]: parking spaces, uh the and the extra parking spaces because we know people have gatherings and event and as indicated here there's uh not enough parking for the clubhouse. [3:58:57, 3:58:59]: All right, is there a second to that motion? [3:59:00, 3:59:01]: They add the grill. [3:59:02, 3:59:05]: The grill with the fireplace is a as well. [3:59:05, 3:59:07]: All right, is there a second to the motion? [3:59:07, 3:59:20]: I second. Miss Barber seconds that. All right, we plenty have plenty of discussion. So on favor and I uh the discussion is part of this format, maybe what's the discussion the discussion is that they've already laid the sidewalk. [3:59:21, 3:59:23]: They only have ten feet to d to work with. [3:59:24, 3:59:37]: on uh to the street. They've already laid the sidewalk. They can pick the amenities that they want. We've given builders that th that option to pick the amenities. The amenages that've been picked is only forty one units. [3:59:37, 3:59:40]: while we have any ability to go back [3:59:40, 3:59:41]: And now [3:59:42, 3:59:44]: Add concrete to concrete. [3:59:44, 3:59:53]: No sir, that's not what's happening. They're gonna build a separate walk and track Uh Ma uh Mayor, uh Mayor, please, can you get order when someone else is talking? Go ahead and talk. [3:59:54, 3:59:55]: For me. [3:59:55, 4:00:00]: The three amenities been picked by this builder is forty one units. [4:00:00, 4:00:01]: Um [4:00:02, 4:00:16]: They have the the the real doors they they have a lot going on with this with this development and I'm not for them spending that extra money for trails on on this and they've indicated that they d don want to put that expense on. All right, any further discussion? [4:00:18, 4:00:18]: Yes, ma'am. [4:00:27, 4:00:30]: What do you mean the mon I thought I said the monument sign, yes. [4:00:31, 4:00:35]: No, the the gym and workout and all that. [4:00:35, 4:00:37]: The jam. [4:00:44, 4:00:45]: Yes. Yes. [4:00:47, 4:00:49]: Do we need to read the whole motion over again? [4:00:51, 4:01:11]: Go right ahead, please. But read what you what read what you you have. Keep the following the clubhouse, the pavilion, the gazebo, the monument sign, the walking trails, the extra parking spaces. Um number three will reduce the number of programs from two to one by [4:01:11, 4:01:23]: having a combined playground rather than a separate top lot and playground for older children. Uh we provide a gym and workout space inside the clubhouse. Provide grills and benches next to the clubhouse. [4:01:26, 4:01:38]: Extend the sidewalk to interconnect to neighborhood, develop the commercial spaces up front, and provide a stub out for future interconnectivity to neighboring lots. [4:01:39, 4:01:42]: And and Miss Barber, you second that motion, is that correct? [4:01:43, 4:01:44]: Okay. [4:01:44, 4:01:48]: All right. Any further discussion? Can I ask for clarification? I'm sorry. [4:01:48, 4:01:49]: Um [4:01:49, 4:01:52]: She she she did second the motion, is my understanding. [4:01:53, 4:01:56]: Is Barber? Okay. She's seconded them also. Yes, ma'am. [4:01:56, 4:02:09]: I was just asking for clarification on um Councilman Alexander not allowing them to reduce the number of playground spots, uh parking. I just wanted to be sure I understood that you are not wanting to allow them to remove any parking. [4:02:10, 4:02:14]: No, right. We know right. Th the there's only a few parking spots at the clubhouse, correct? [4:02:16, 4:02:17]: Hmm? [4:02:18, 4:02:21]: We we we do we want the extra parking. [4:02:23, 4:02:31]: The extra parking spaces to serve. Right. What they were asking. No, sorry, no, right. We're not trying to remove those. We want to leave those. Sorry. [4:02:32, 4:02:46]: Okay. Um Ms. Gand, did you have something on your mind? So the only thing that we are adding from what they ask their proposal is we're only adding the walking trails and we're keeping the parking spaces as is. Is that what we're doing? [4:02:47, 4:03:07]: Mm-hmm. And we're reducing. No, we're adding the walking trails and m making them putting the extra parking spaces for the amenities. Right. And moving two uh two into one playground. Playgrounds into one. Okay. Correct. And then everything in number four for the gym and workout space, grills and benches. [4:03:07, 4:03:10]: an extended sidewalk and the sidewalk's top out. [4:03:11, 4:03:11]: Okay. [4:03:12, 4:03:13]: Any further discussion? [4:03:15, 4:03:17]: If not, all in favor of the motion please indicate [4:03:19, 4:03:23]: All opposed? Okay, four one, it passes. Thank you very much. [4:03:23, 4:03:24]: Thank you. [4:03:25, 4:03:26]: Alrighty. [4:03:27, 4:03:30]: Thank you, Mr. Anderson. Thank you, Ms. Carter. [4:03:31, 4:03:32]: Now going to new business. [4:03:33, 4:03:46]: Grant Acceptance Criminal Criminal Justice Coordinated Counsel CJCC FY twenty three law enforcement training grant in amount of seventeen thousand four hundred ninety-five dollars presented by Chief Tremor and Miss Anderson. [4:03:48, 4:03:48]: Please. [4:04:17, 4:04:20]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Evening. [4:04:23, 4:04:36]: We're here before you this evening to uh seek your approval for acceptance of uh several different grants that the police department has applied for uh that are going enable us to uh better serve our community. [4:04:36, 4:04:56]: Uh the first grant that we are seeking your um acceptance of is the uh Georgia Criminal Justice Coordinating Uh Pro uh Counsels uh grant uh for law enforcement training. We have received a grant from uh CJCC in the amount of seventeen thousand seven hundred and ninety-five dollars. Uh [4:04:56, 4:05:10]: Uh that grant will cover uh law enforcement training specifically related to use of force and de-escalation training uh for all of our staff with the Stockbridge Police Department. If there are any questions, I'd be happy to answer those at this time. [4:05:11, 4:05:31]: I actually don't have a question, but I need to apologize to Captain Anderson. I didn't say Captain Addison earlier, so excuse me, Captain. Pl please forgive me. All right. Any questions, Council? Yeah, real quick. Sir, you've been waiting a long time, but talk about these grants and the effect that they're gonna have on us moving forward in turn of [4:05:31, 4:05:39]: Overall public safety in addition to with the especially with the annexation areas that we're adding. [4:05:40, 4:05:54]: Sure, so the the three grants that we're uh presenting to council for acceptance this evening are grants that uh are related, well these two of those are related to specific training that are in line with uh the pillars of twenty first century policing. [4:05:55, 4:06:11]: Uh so this grant right here as it relates to uh use of force de-escalation training, pillar five of uh the President's Task Force on Twenty First Century Policing, obviously focuses on law enforcement training. We see a lot across the board uh as it relates to um uh [4:06:11, 4:06:31]: Officers being trained to utilize de-escalation techniques uh more appropriately, um, to develop uh use of force training programs that allow officers to respond more appropriately to uh situations that they're dealing with and encounters that they have with members of the uh community. Um that uh will allow us again [4:06:31, 4:06:33]: to better serve the community. [4:06:33, 4:06:53]: Um some of the other grants that uh we've received and are seeking acceptance for the mental health and wellness grant. That's uh pillar six of the president's uh uh twenty first century policing task force that relates to officer safety and wellness. This is an internal grant that will allow us to provide um psychological evaluations for our staff on a regular basis. [4:06:53, 4:07:13]: to um conduct various different training and wellness programs that will uh serve our officers better because what we believe is that if we serve our officers better, if we are able to provide them with additional training and additional assistance to cope with the stresses that they have to deal with, that translates into more effective service to members of the community. [4:07:13, 4:07:33]: And then the other grant is a bulletproof vest partnership award grant, which helps us offset our uniform expenses that we've already been out of pocket to provide ballistic vests for our staff. So it's covering half of the expenses that relates to that. But one of the key grants, as it relates to the question that you posed, that we're not here before the council to seek acceptance. [4:07:33, 4:07:45]: because we've already presented this, but through the diligent effort of Captain Anderson who's already secured for us this year nearly one point five million dollars in grant funding for various different initiatives. Yes, absolutely. Kudos to you. [4:07:48, 4:08:08]: Uh we received uh one point two five million dollars through the um COPS hiring grant that will enable us to onboard ten additional officers and this grant will help defray the cost of those ten additional uh sworn personnel uh for the next three years. So um and that lines with our [4:08:08, 4:08:28]: uh community policing efforts also pillar of 21st century policing. Um we've also got two smaller microgrants again that we're not seeking acceptance for, but we want to let the council uh know so that you're aware of all the work that's being done. And Walmart has gived that given us uh two grants,$5,000 apiece, so that we're able to serve [4:08:28, 4:08:48]: um some needy families in the city of Stockbridge and do a shop with a cop program at our Hudson Bridge and our North Henry Um Boulevard Walmarts. And we will be accepting applications sometime this week. So we encourage those who are online or if you know needy families who may be in need to go through the application process so that we can serve them. [4:08:48, 4:09:08]: So a lot of very good, a lot of very forward-facing uh programs, a lot of great effort initiative by Captain Anderson actively looking for some of these grand opportunities out there, again, which will ultimately help defray the cost. So, as an example, use of forced de-escalation training is extremely important to our police department. If it were not for that 18,000, [4:09:08, 4:09:28]: that we receive for that grant funding, that$18,000 would have to come from as part of our budget to be able to provide that training. The internal mental health and well-being training for our officers, again, which is very important, if it weren't for the grant funding, we would be responsible for funding that through the budget process. And so we don't have [4:09:28, 4:09:48]: And then obviously uh the fact that we've been able to uh secure funding to hire ten additional officers is extremely um extremely important to our organization, the service that uh we provide to members of our community. And um, you know, we couldn't have done it without the uh again the diligence of uh Captain Anderson moving forward and actively looking for ways. [4:09:48, 4:10:08]: That we can help to phrase some of the costs as it relates to operations of the police department. And just finally, uh in terms of going into 2023, we didn't have you all come up earlier, but uh you have what you need with this new growth coming into the city uh to uh always ask, what do you need? [4:10:08, 4:10:14]: We're doing the budgetary times now. So do you have what you need to move us forward into twenty twenty one? [4:10:14, 4:10:34]: Right. Well well the 10 positions are obviously going to help. But I want to remind the council back when we um established the police department, we decided to start out smaller because we really didn't understand what the true demands were in terms of service. Um and uh now that we have a better understanding of that, now that we're operational, um it was recommended uh through the Carl Vinson study. [4:10:34, 4:10:42]: Study that we uh start out with fifty-seven sworn officers. We started out with fifty-two. Uh so we started out uh a little smaller. So um [4:10:43, 4:11:03]: Based on our calls for service with the current population we have, um the data that we've calculated is that we need nine additional officers just to meet the demands that the city currently has uh to operate more efficiently to be able to do true community policing so that we don't have residents waiting for you know for for fifteen, twenty, thirty minutes for officers to respond. [4:11:03, 4:11:14]: Um the annexation does bring some new challenges because now with the annexation we have the entirety of the interstate that we're responsible for, from the Henry County line all the way down to Jodoko Road. It's extremely busy. [4:11:14, 4:11:34]: uh section which would necessitate uh in all likelihood a traffic unit to be able to address those um those issues. Um and then also with the addition of the eight thousand uh seven to eight thousand uh new residents, um that obviously is gonna increase the demand for service and so um you know estimations are that we need anywhere um [4:11:34, 4:11:54]: From uh the the ten officers that we requested up to twenty-one officers in order to be able to effectively uh deliver that uh service to our community. So uh we we do need additional uh positions and then there are uh some support functions too. So we're not just talking about the sworn staff, we're talking about civilian. [4:11:54, 4:12:11]: civilian staff too because we've already seen an increased demand as it relates to requests for reports, open records requests and things along those lines, serving citizens as they come into the police department. And um we we actually um uh need some more administrative personnel to be able to support that. [4:12:11, 4:12:25]: And one of the things that we would like to move forward, and Captain Anderson is actually working on, I'll share with you some of the other opportunities, um, some funding for uh software that will allow us to be better uh analyze crime data so that we can s respond more appropriately. [4:12:25, 4:12:34]: And um certainly uh a crime analyst, a dedicated crime analyst to help us respond to those things would be uh would be beneficial. So um [4:12:34, 4:12:36]: We uh [4:12:36, 4:12:52]: Uh as I said before, we're in need of nine additional positions in absence of annexation and in order to meet that demand we will need some additional officers uh to to meet that need so that we can continue to provide the high level of service that we have um uh promised uh members of the community. [4:12:53, 4:13:13]: So I'm just sorry. I'm just a little stunned about so we got all of the and you never we haven't been on the interstate and now we have all the interstate. We we had portions of it, but it it wasn't the entirety of the interstate. It was it was it was pockets uh of the interstate. But that still ke keeps us extremely busy. We're we're averaging about seventy-five instances that our officers are responsible. [4:13:13, 4:13:16]: responded to accidents out on the interstate per month just with the small section that we have. [4:13:17, 4:13:22]: So now having the entirety of the interstate it it it obviously is going to um uh [4:13:22, 4:13:26]: present some added challenges for our officers, uh, for certain. [4:13:26, 4:13:36]: Well, thanks. So could you okay, you it ends at uh Jodico, bridge to Jodico, right? Correct. And then where's the start again now? At the Henry County line. [4:13:36, 4:13:38]: It's a Harry Can I lie. [4:13:39, 4:13:50]: And how many miles out I'm I'm sorry, Chief. Is this about what's that about twenty miles? No, no, no, not twenty miles. It's probably s six to seven miles. So only six to seven? Okay. All right. All right. [4:13:50, 4:13:56]: Well both sides? Yeah, it is both sides, north and south. Okay. Got it. All right. So anyway, so um [4:13:56, 4:13:59]: Any other questions in reference to the uh this uh [4:13:59, 4:14:10]: This this first grant proposal acceptance here. Mayor Mayor Ford. Oh I I'm I'm sorry, Ms. Barber, stand by the member. I do have a couple of questions, but I want to say thank you. Thank you, Captain Anderson. [4:14:10, 4:14:11]: Um [4:14:11, 4:14:15]: That's exactly what my vision was as far as [4:14:15, 4:14:17]: Having people who are dedicated to [4:14:17, 4:14:22]: going out and identifying these grants. Um I know it's not gonna [4:14:23, 4:14:23]: Uh [4:14:24, 4:14:26]: Make up for [4:14:27, 4:14:30]: the amount of money that we have to budget for the overall [4:14:30, 4:14:33]: Operations of the police department, but it certainly does help. [4:14:34, 4:14:36]: One point four five million dollars. [4:14:36, 4:14:40]: goes a long way. Um so I appreciate your efforts. [4:14:41, 4:14:43]: I do have a question though, with [4:14:43, 4:14:47]: Remember I think um over the summer we did [4:14:48, 4:14:50]: Uh you brought a grant to us. [4:14:50, 4:14:54]: And that was going to help offset the cost for [4:14:54, 4:14:56]: Some additional officers. [4:14:57, 4:14:59]: When will that take effect? [4:15:00, 4:15:01]: That that grant um [4:15:02, 4:15:19]: The the resolution was to apply for and accept that grant. We have received that grant. So we've got the funds. There's just some procedural issues that Captain Anderson could probably speak to if you have um uh some questions about that in terms of how we receive those funds and when we receive those funds. Okay, and my next question is [4:15:19, 4:15:24]: For those officers who will be paid under that grant. [4:15:25, 4:15:40]: What about the uniforms, the cars, the equipment, weapons that they need? Is that included in our twenty twenty three budget, Mr. Gardner? Okay. [4:15:43, 4:15:44]: Thank you. [4:15:45, 4:16:05]: Good question down here? That was it. Yeah. Okay, go ahead, Mr. Porto. Yeah. Chief, I I I just wanna commend you and your staff because as you probably know, I'm I'm a little concerned about our budget. And so what I've heard, I mean, I'm really excited about it. And when I hear you say uh [4:16:05, 4:16:25]: sustaining for three years, you know, that's that's what I want to hear. And so I'm sure without even saying that you are going to continue in the trenches identifying grants that will be able to uh plug into the police department. So uh uh it's good for me and I'm I'm just glad to hear that. [4:16:24, 4:16:25]: Right. [4:16:25, 4:16:33]: Yeah, and I appreciate that. And this is what the next slide is here, just to give you an overview. Uh Captain Anderson's actually working on um uh [4:16:33, 4:16:53]: A grant that will supply additional technology and equipment that will help us uh as it relates to violent crime reduction. She's working on a uh$1.5 million grant. It would supply cameras, uh automated license plate readers, uh crime intelligence software, um, a lot of various different uh technological components. [4:16:53, 4:17:13]: You know that's a vision that we have to leverage technology for public safety. So she's working on that grant proposal right now. Some of the other large grants, and as it relates to staffing, one of the ones that we'll be seeking in the future is the governor's office of highway safety heat grant, which is a traffic-specific grant, which will fund uh vehicles and the salary for office. [4:17:13, 4:17:21]: Again for uh how many year what a year period is that? Uh it's it renews every year. Okay. So it renews year after year after year. [4:17:22, 4:17:37]: Yes. And uh we're ask we're we're also looking at uh a cops grant that will allow us to uh up to a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars to uh develop various different uh youth programs um in the community. So we're seeking those opportunities out as well. [4:17:39, 4:17:44]: Excellent. Any other questions? No questions, just excellent. [4:17:45, 4:18:02]: Well yeah, we're gonna I'm gonna ask for it. No question, I'm gonna ask for a vote. Absolutely uh I mean a a motion. Chief, I just also wanna say Chief and Cat uh Captain Anderson, I appreciate everything you all do. If I could get you out of here and just vote for all three at one time, I would do it. But um they have some procedures here. [4:18:02, 4:18:22]: Right. So anyway, for the first uh need a motion for the very first one and the criminal justice coordinated counsel. Is there a second? Second. Okay, all favor please indicate. Fantastic. Okay. Grant acceptance, uh, Office of Community Oriented Oriented Policing Services, COPS, FY twenty two law enforcement mental health and wellness act. [4:18:22, 4:18:36]: L E M H W A grant an amount of hundred seventy five thousand dollars presented by Chief Tremor and Captain Anderson, which you've already talked about. Okay. [4:18:37, 4:18:40]: I I'll give it to Barber there. She's second. All fair please indicate. [4:18:40, 4:18:42]: So now she says he's not right. [4:18:42, 4:18:55]: Grant Acceptance FY twenty two Department of Justice Bulletproof Vest Partnership Award. This funding is not awarded uh on the pre precedent pre precedent of a city identifying and confirming cost match for the project. [4:18:55, 4:19:00]: predicate okay we have the city identifying uh confirming c a cost match for the product. [4:19:00, 4:19:01]: Project. [4:19:01, 4:19:07]: This funding is awarded to offset costs of department has or will occur after April first, twenty twenty two. [4:19:07, 4:19:27]: For the purchase of bulletproof vests, the offset amount is fifty percent, and the Department of Justice will reimburse to the city. The Department has fifty-six uh bulletproof vests at a cost of forty-four thousand eight hundred dollars. The reimbursement amount awarded to the city is twenty-two thousand four hundred. The uh count uh to be used to receive the reimbursement is one hundred dash [4:19:27, 4:19:46]: Uh zero zero zero zero zero dash three three four three one seven presented by Chief Trammer. We've already talked about that. So you need a motion. So move. Okay. Uh so move for Barber. Who second that? I second. Miss Miss Grant uh Ms. Kant second that all in favor, please indicate. So you now decision. Fantastic. [4:19:51, 4:19:55]: Uh that was uh that was Blount and then to Barber on the second one. Uhhuh. [4:19:56, 4:20:16]: And then the other last one was Barber DeGantt. Yes. Okay. Council consideration to approve the res uh let's see here. This is okay. On that note, I'm sorry. That that's it for you all. Uh Chief, not the micromanage, but uh can you promote her to major real quick? Oh yeah. Yeah, she's done an excellent job for us, I'll tell you. Congratulations. There you go. [4:20:16, 4:20:21]: Awesome, awesome, awesome, man. The news is great. Appreciate it. [4:20:21, 4:20:22]: Thanks, Chief. [4:20:23, 4:20:43]: Thank you, Captain. Council consideration approved a resolution for the City of Stockbridge to request remittance of 1.904 meals associated with the former police services provided by Henry County Police Department to the City of Stockbridge residents, to the police services July 1st, 2022, to December 31st, 2022, and to amend the service to [4:20:43, 4:20:51]: Delivery strategy, SDS for police services. The city hereby withdraws from the SDS agreement and a need for the police services by Henry Counter County. [4:20:52, 4:20:58]: Further, the city request and improved staff to amend the SDS agreement to reflect the creation of the Stockbridge Police Department. [4:20:58, 4:21:18]: The city further resolves that this resolution to be presented to Henry County as a request to the end Henry County's policing of the city of Stockbridge. Further, the city requests that the city re county reimburse the city of Stockbridge for all the money is owed from July of twenty twenty two four forward. Further, if money is held for policing [4:21:18, 4:21:29]: in the next calendar year, the city requests that the money be sent to the city as well. The revenue document is attached as exhibit A presented by uh Mr. Gardner, please. [4:21:30, 4:21:42]: Good night, man, Council. Since we I think we believe but this this item is part of the the budget. Um I think everybody's quite aware what what this request is going to do so. Um and I'll take any questions. [4:21:43, 4:22:01]: Mayor. Yes, ma'am. I move that we approve this resolution. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Blount's got a second here. And uh all in favor, please indicate. Thank you very much. And the next one, council consideration approve the following dates for the redevelopment plan, public hearing and adoption. [4:22:01, 4:22:08]: November twenty ninth, twenty twenty two, first reading and december twelfth, twenty twenty two adoption. Mr. Gardner, please. [4:22:08, 4:22:23]: Yes, good night, Mayor and Council. Once again, um at our last meeting we brought uh to you guys uh update as to what we've been working on in relation to um us developing an urban redevelopment plan as part of OCGA. [4:22:23, 4:22:27]: thirty six forty four, which is the redevelopment powers law. [4:22:27, 4:22:47]: Um that allow for the city to have or to develop a tide. As you know, the residents of Henry County voted in 2020 during a referendum to allow for the cities and the county to have a tide. Um and that was done in 2021. So we're the first gonna be the first up of [4:22:47, 4:22:59]: all the cities to move with the the use of this um major incentive development incentive and as as I try to rem remind you um [4:23:00, 4:23:09]: This this incentive was done um to make Atlantic Station possible, to make um the Camp Creek Marketplace possible. [4:23:10, 4:23:17]: Um and there's been those are two of the most successful ones, I I guess in the Metro. Um, but it's been utilized around the state. [4:23:17, 4:23:21]: Um and we think it's gonna be necessary for us moving forward. [4:23:21, 4:23:41]: To invet to have this available for us as a tool in our toolbox as we look for the redevelopment and revitalization of our downtown highway one through the corridor. And so with that, I'm gonna let our consultant, uh Mr. Gary Manjin, uh, with KP Advisory Group, which is one of the biggest firms that do tide-tide studies around uh [4:23:41, 4:23:50]: Um the state of Georgia and probably in the southeast. So I'm gonna turn it over to Gary. And out he's under the weather a little bit so I'm gonna move away from my seatbelt. Please appreciate that. [4:23:51, 4:23:57]: Um I don't know where the presentation is. [4:23:59, 4:23:59]: Yeah. [4:24:05, 4:24:10]: Did I put it? Well did I PDF? There we go. That's it. [4:24:20, 4:24:37]: That's that's fine. That's right. Okay. Well you've had a long night. Um and I was gonna go for like an hour and a half, but I'll try to I'll try to uh I'll try to go a little faster if I can get rid of this. Um [4:24:42, 4:24:50]: All right, can can you get rid of this? Great. Yeah, that'd be great. [4:24:53, 4:24:55]: Okay. [4:24:58, 4:25:18]: All right, well Fred, Frederick um gave you an introduction of why we're here. Uh the only thing I would add to that is if you want to have this incentive in place to be able to use next year, you have to get it done um before December thirty-first, which is kind of why we're in the process now. If you decide to wait [4:25:18, 4:25:21]: Uh then it'll be a full twelve months before we consider again. [4:25:22, 4:25:35]: So we've been analy analyzing options. Uh we made a presentation a couple of weeks ago, a few weeks ago. We are now what I want to do tonight is kind of give you a thumbnail sketch of what's in the plan. [4:25:36, 4:25:56]: And really these redevelopment plans, there there's two or three things they have to do. One is they have to establish the qualifications uh for the redevelopment area that it's appropriate to use this incentive. Um it has to and secondly, it has to identify the tax allocation district and basically provide a business plan. [4:25:56, 4:26:08]: in terms of how the city would implement this plan, uh what it would use the funds for, et cetera, et cetera. So in we went we talked about last time what a redevelopment area is. [4:26:08, 4:26:08]: Um [4:26:10, 4:26:11]: Ian [4:26:11, 4:26:12]: This [4:26:12, 4:26:15]: In red are some of the criteria [4:26:15, 4:26:20]: that are required for designation as a redevelopment area. You don't have to meet every single one. [4:26:20, 4:26:30]: But these are the kind these are some of the criteria that this part of Stockbridge uh qualifies for. And I'll show you the map a little bit later. But [4:26:31, 4:26:33]: Basically there's five different [4:26:33, 4:26:37]: categories that apply to this area we're looking at within the city. [4:26:37, 4:26:52]: Uh one is pervasive poverty, which the statute defines as more than ten percent of the population. Uh the poverty rate in the redevelopment area is about ten point seven percent and it's eighteen percent among families with with children. So you meet that criteria. [4:26:53, 4:27:13]: Talks about high vacancy compared to the political subdivision as a whole. Uh vacancy rates right now in Stockbridge, basically everywhere in Georgia, are very, very low. Uh but in terms of the vacancy rate for all housing types, you're about a percentage point higher than the city average in terms of residential vacancy. That's all [4:27:13, 4:27:33]: All types of housing, single-family, multifamily, mobile homes, et cetera. It talks about declining or stagnant rents or sales prices compared to the community as a whole. We found that apartment rents in the redevelopment area about 13% less than the city average. Retail rents are nearly 22% less than the county average. [4:27:33, 4:27:39]: We couldn't look at retail rents just as in at the city level. [4:27:39, 4:27:45]: And then this final category is substantial presence of structures, basically old buildings with no historic significance. [4:27:45, 4:27:48]: And structures of relatively low value. And when you look at [4:27:49, 4:27:51]: This part of the city [4:27:51, 4:28:11]: Um particularly within the tax allocation district, we found four hundred and eighty thousand square feet of buildings that are more than forty years old. The assessed value of those buildings, including residential and uh commercial, is less than is only about fifty-one dollars a square foot. To build new commercial space, reasonable quality, [4:28:11, 4:28:31]: You're at about$145 to$150 a square foot. So you're like a third of replacement costs right now. And then finally, some parts of your redevelopment area have inadequate infrastructure, not necessarily today, but if you implement the plans, particularly for downtown, clearly the streets, utilities, parking areas are inadequate to be able to do that. [4:28:31, 4:28:51]: Support the plans you have in place. So those are the criteria on which it uh it qualifies as a redevelopment area. I don't know if you see this map very well, but this is what we've proposed as the redevelopment area. It's about 1,350 acres, it's contains about 26% of your city population. [4:28:51, 4:29:03]: That is before annexation, by the way. I I wrote all this stuff about a week to two weeks ago and I I did not know what was gonna happen with the annexation referendum. So all these numbers now will change dramatically. [4:29:04, 4:29:05]: Um [4:29:05, 4:29:22]: It's the rate of population growth since twenty ten has been about a percentage point lower than the city average. I think that's probably overstated because there really hasn't been much new construction in this area. Uh the main difference between this part of the city and the rest of the city is the home ownership rate. [4:29:23, 4:29:27]: is eighteen percent less than the city average. About half of all the housing units in this area [4:29:28, 4:29:32]: A renter occupied, it's because there's three apartment complexes included. [4:29:32, 4:29:34]: in it but also [4:29:34, 4:29:41]: Uh of the single family homes in the redevelopment area, significant percentage are investor owned rental units as opposed to owner occupied. [4:29:42, 4:29:44]: has a young population [4:29:44, 4:30:04]: Um the median owner occupied housing value is about almost thirty percent lower than the city and thirty-seven percent lower than the county median. Uh the meeting age of the housing stock is three years older than the than the city as a whole, and the household income median household income is twelve point nine percent lower than the city and more than the city. [4:30:04, 4:30:15]: than a quarter lower than the county median income respectively. So this area shown on this map clearly qualifies as a redevelopment area under statute. So that's hurdle one. [4:30:17, 4:30:25]: The second hurdle is the tax allocation district. I proposed the map last time we were here. That map is still subject to change. Uh [4:30:26, 4:30:26]: However [4:30:27, 4:30:31]: input we get, we'd be happy to change it, uh add to it, subtract from it. [4:30:31, 4:30:32]: Um [4:30:34, 4:30:39]: Just a couple of points regarding the tax allocation district, just to clear up some possible mis misconceptions. [4:30:40, 4:30:53]: Um communities have a lot of discretion in terms of determining how any revenues available within this tax allocation district uh can be spent. As long as they're eligible purposes, you have complete discretion. [4:30:53, 4:30:58]: In terms of how you spend that money, as long as it's consistent with the purposes of the law. [4:30:59, 4:31:04]: And the purpose of the redevelopment plan is to forecast potential and I'm gonna ask [4:31:04, 4:31:08]: I want to emphasize potential future rest future revenues. [4:31:09, 4:31:22]: Um it's not a f you know, it's not a prediction, it's a it's what's the potential of the TAD to create new tax digest, new increment, and revenues that could be spent for redevelopment purposes. [4:31:22, 4:31:31]: Um the contents of this plan are not binding on the city. If I s say that, you know, we're thinking about allocating [4:31:32, 4:31:41]: you know, three and a half million dollars or six million dollars to parking dexes does not require you to spend that money on parking decks. It's just an outline. It's a again a roadmap. [4:31:41, 4:31:43]: A plan as of today. [4:31:44, 4:31:46]: What a tad doesn't do [4:31:46, 4:31:52]: And sometimes you know people who show up at public hearings will say this it does not impose a tax increase. [4:31:52, 4:31:54]: It doesn't grant an abatement. [4:31:54, 4:31:55]: It doesn't entitle [4:31:56, 4:32:13]: Developers are property owners within the district to get an abatement. Um it has nothing to do with her eminent domain. Um it does not authorize approving this plan does not authorize bond issues or city spending. Those decisions are made afterward. [4:32:14, 4:32:20]: And it doesn't bind the county and school district to participate unless those elected officials vote to do so. [4:32:20, 4:32:28]: So before you can go to the county and school district and ask if they're willing to consent to the TED, you have to adopt the redevelopment plan first. [4:32:28, 4:32:30]: That's the way the process works. [4:32:31, 4:32:31]: Um [4:32:32, 4:32:36]: And no property within the Tad is entitled. I don't stress entitled. [4:32:36, 4:32:40]: to receive TAD funds for any purpose, but they can apply. [4:32:40, 4:32:50]: If i and typically what happens after these plans are approved, after you know what the county and school district are willing to do in terms of consent. [4:32:50, 4:32:53]: Then communities develop policies and procedures to decide [4:32:54, 4:33:06]: Um how to deal with developers, property owners who would like to apply for TAD funds. And that's down the road that would happen sometime next year. And that's not an arduous process. [4:33:07, 4:33:12]: So this slide is the proposed TED. I have not made any changes to the last version. [4:33:12, 4:33:13]: Um [4:33:14, 4:33:34]: There are you know several areas that we could consider adding to this. Um but again this is the boundary currently proposed. It's three hundred and it's actually three hundred and forty-four parcels, not three and about five hundred and one acres. Uh again, this is a work in process. I've I've been refining numbers in the last week. The twenty twenty [4:33:34, 4:33:40]: twenty two tax digest is just under this is the gross tax digest is just under thirty five point nine million dollars. [4:33:42, 4:33:46]: The area's shaded inside this map is a as I say, it's over f five hundred acres. [4:33:47, 4:33:49]: Five hundred acres surrounding this building. [4:33:50, 4:33:52]: So including your downtown. [4:33:53, 4:34:13]: 35.5 million or 35.9 million to digest is a very, very small number. Uh there's about six hundred and fifty thousand square feet of taxable commercial buildings, there's about three hundred and twenty-three housing units. Um we tried to leave out established residential neighborhoods to the extent we could. [4:34:13, 4:34:17]: Like to include some that potentially could increase in value. [4:34:17, 4:34:20]: Um if the improvements were made, but we left out [4:34:20, 4:34:21]: You can see [4:34:22, 4:34:29]: Most of the residential areas inside and surrounding this district are left out, partly because of the city limits, partly because [4:34:30, 4:34:39]: You don't want to get the school district upset by including, you know, residential development uh inside the TAD. [4:34:40, 4:35:00]: Excuse me. Gotta I'm sorry to interrupt you. It it seems like right in the middle of this you you have a it looks like it's surrounded, right? You got a area that's not inside. It's just seem like it's out it's it's it's surrounded by the tad. What right there, yeah. What what is that? That's a um that's a very dense subdivision. And that was a close call to input it in or out. Uh [4:35:00, 4:35:00]: [16501.1, 16502.5]: Is that what that is? Yes. [4:35:03, 4:35:04]: Okay. [4:35:05, 4:35:09]: Yeah, I got it. Yeah. [4:35:09, 4:35:10]: Um [4:35:11, 4:35:25]: The age of housing in this district is nineteen sixty-six. That's the average year built. And that I think that's really important. Uh the average age of commercial development is in the early nineteen seventies. Um and [4:35:25, 4:35:29]: I think the one thing you can say about this tad if the city does not do anything aggressive. [4:35:30, 4:35:34]: Chances are values twenty years from now aren't gonna be significantly different than they are today. [4:35:34, 4:35:54]: And that's basically the question. Do you want to take a risk and do some things and try to change this area or just let it grow as it has organically over time? And that's that's really the question. Um how the TAD works, we went through this slide before, I won't go through it again. But basically, uh as of December 31st, if you approve this redevelopment plan, the [4:35:54, 4:36:10]: The base digest of the TAD would be about 35.9 million. Any increase in value that occurs in the TAD in the future would would be depositive. Any increase in that tax revenue would go to your TAD special fund as opposed to the general funds. [4:36:10, 4:36:17]: The county and school district millage rates are a lot higher than yours, so most of the revenue would come from them, not from the city. [4:36:18, 4:36:19]: Um [4:36:19, 4:36:22]: Which is a another issue, but uh I'll get to that in a minute. [4:36:23, 4:36:23]: Um [4:36:24, 4:36:26]: So the main thing [4:36:26, 4:36:32]: that these plans are supposed to do is identify what's the potential for redevelopment to occur. [4:36:32, 4:36:50]: And the main area that you are all concerned about and interested in that we want to effectuate change is area one, which is your downtown, basically downtown Stockbridge, your urban redevelopment area, and then the the historic portion portion along M MLK Senior Boulevard. [4:36:50, 4:36:51]: Um [4:36:51, 4:36:53]: Senior Heritage Trail. [4:36:53, 4:36:55]: Those two areas together are kind of your downtown. [4:36:57, 4:36:58]: Um [4:36:58, 4:37:18]: So we looked at that. We looked at your comprehensive plan, which proposes to extend Rock Quarry War uh Road all the way to Old Conyers Road, which would open up a significant amount of acreage to future residential development. There is this uh area that's owned by a single area entity in area three that's [4:37:18, 4:37:21]: below Brush Creek that could support some development. [4:37:22, 4:37:42]: Area four is the area we just spent a lot of time discussing that townhome development, as well as the existing apartment complex. I think it's Villas 52, located just on the north side. This apartment complex is uh is valued at about a hundred and two thousand a unit, excuse me, hundred twenty six. [4:37:42, 4:38:02]: 6,000 a unit. It's significantly lower valued than the other two accomplis apartment complexes further to the wheat uh west. And it's also substantially lower than most other apartments in the region. So anything you could do to encourage investment in that property would probably help, although I would not consider it a huge [4:38:02, 4:38:03]: Huge problem. [4:38:03, 4:38:17]: Uh and then you got two more areas on the south side of North Henry Boulevard, uh area five, you get two very large parcels um that could support perhaps some retail, perhaps some residential on the back. [4:38:19, 4:38:21]: So in terms of potential [4:38:21, 4:38:27]: When I do these things, the first thing that always concerns me is there enough potential to justify this effort? [4:38:27, 4:38:40]: And in the case of Stockbridge there is enough potential. These are very significant numbers. I don't know if you'll be able to achieve them, but they're all predicated on being able to implement the downtown plan. [4:38:40, 4:38:43]: Um if the downtown plan is implemented and it works [4:38:44, 4:38:47]: And you've got new investment down there and it becomes an entertainment district. [4:38:48, 4:38:48]: Um [4:38:49, 4:38:54]: then the other components of the plan are likely to happen if things don't change downtown. [4:38:55, 4:38:56]: It probably won't happen. [4:38:57, 4:39:01]: So this area shown on this map, uh the city asked T SW um [4:39:01, 4:39:03]: To kinda consolidate [4:39:03, 4:39:10]: the earlier studies that were done and just give us a realistic what can this area support physically. [4:39:12, 4:39:15]: In conjunction with the recent market study that was completed [4:39:17, 4:39:22]: W how much square footage and value could this part of the city support? [4:39:23, 4:39:30]: And you know, City Hall is just outside the the map here. It includes the triangle on Ward Street. [4:39:30, 4:39:33]: And it keeps going to the uh to the west. [4:39:33, 4:39:34]: Um [4:39:34, 4:39:45]: to the railroad tracks, to the performing arts center, and kind of looks at potential of the of the Presbyterian I think it's Presbyterian Church, of including that into the plan. [4:39:46, 4:39:55]: Um the city already controls a good amount of this property, obviously not all of it. Uh you're thinking about spending significant amount of money on this performing arts center. [4:39:56, 4:39:59]: Um which would be a catalyst to everything else. [4:39:59, 4:40:06]: But anyway, this whole area is twenty-seven acres. There's only 114,000 square feet of buildings on it today. That includes a shopping center to the south. [4:40:07, 4:40:13]: of North Henry Boulevard. The taxable market value, twenty-seven acres right in the center of your community. [4:40:14, 4:40:16]: is less than six milyen dollars. [4:40:17, 4:40:23]: Now part of that is all your institutions, your government buildings, schools, et cetera, are all concentrated in this area. [4:40:23, 4:40:43]: But it's a very small part of your tax digest. And there's 16 housing units. So we think based on this plan, again, we asked TSW to be realistic physically, what could this area support? You can see these numbers, including new construction, residential units, live work townhomes. [4:40:43, 4:40:55]: homes, conventional townhomes, some single-family cottage units. And again, some of this was in your redevelopment plan going all the way back to 2005, the URA plan. [4:40:56, 4:41:14]: And then it leaves another eighty thousand square feet of of buildings on the periphery that are not part of the plan. It could have a taxable future value of almost eighty-nine million dollars when built out. So from five point nine to eighty eight and a half million dollars. Now it's gonna take a decade. [4:41:14, 4:41:16]: It's probably not all gonna happen. [4:41:16, 4:41:20]: But again, you potentially you could have a thirteen [4:41:20, 4:41:23]: Hundred percent increase in the tax digest in this in this area. [4:41:25, 4:41:31]: The rest we didn't have as much uh support in terms of be able to um look at the potential but [4:41:31, 4:41:32]: Um [4:41:33, 4:41:43]: In these two sites two and three, which I showed on the other map, those total a hundred and seventeen point eight acres. That's a lot of acreage. Again, one's on the east side, one's on the west side of your downtown. [4:41:44, 4:41:48]: There's only seven thousand square feet of buildings. The taxable market value is only two point two million. [4:41:49, 4:41:57]: The current digest is only eighty eighty hundred and ninety-one thousand. The city already owns some of these parcels that you've acquired for the uh extension. [4:41:58, 4:42:01]: and doing a very conservative build out [4:42:01, 4:42:21]: Knowing that there's a lot of wetlands here, basically figured 30% of this land wasn't usable because of wetlands, you could easily do over 460 single-family and townhomes on these combined sites. And looking at average market value of 378, which you probably couldn't build today and sell them for the [4:42:21, 4:42:23]: That um [4:42:25, 4:42:31]: You may have you know, your construction costs would probably be higher than those numbers. But assuming the market levelizes, stabilizes [4:42:31, 4:42:33]: And assuming your downtown plan is built. [4:42:34, 4:42:38]: That's another seventy point nine million dollars in potential digest. [4:42:39, 4:42:41]: So again, if I were in your shoes [4:42:42, 4:42:44]: I would want to see this area. [4:42:45, 4:42:58]: the two largest kind of areas of undeveloped land right on the boundaries of your downtown, develop to their maximum potential as opposed to letting nature take its course, because these new households are what will make your downtown viable. [4:43:00, 4:43:15]: And then sites four, five and four and five would be kind of the last part of the plan. Basically you see downtown happening first, areas two and three happening second. This area of the city would probably be last, maybe six or seven years. Nothing happens for six or seven years except [4:43:15, 4:43:18]: The townhome development you were just talking about tonight. [4:43:19, 4:43:20]: And again, I think we're going to be able [4:43:21, 4:43:28]: Knowing there's wetlands, there's also this mobile home park just to the north, you might want to consider including that in the tad. [4:43:28, 4:43:39]: I just wanted to stay out of, not include the self-storage place, the commercial frontage uh on North Henry Boulevard, which is pretty dense already, it's not gonna change. [4:43:39, 4:43:40]: Um [4:43:40, 4:43:48]: This area could either easily, I mean it's almost 80 acres, so it could easily support another hundred and sixty thousand square feet of commercial. [4:43:49, 4:43:51]: some rehabilitation of existing space. [4:43:52, 4:43:52]: Um [4:43:53, 4:44:01]: Rehabilitating the hundred and twenty-eight existing partn apartment units. Hopefully they would increase in value over time, particularly if you provide incentives for that to happen. [4:44:02, 4:44:06]: New multi family probably on one of the one of these two sites on the south side. [4:44:07, 4:44:08]: Um [4:44:08, 4:44:09]: And again [4:44:10, 4:44:19]: Taxable future value could be ninety-one million. Again, it would take fifteen years to happen, but it's another three hundred percent increase in the digest. [4:44:20, 4:44:27]: So when you add all these things together, the potential is pretty substantial. Whether it happens or not, again. [4:44:28, 4:44:28]: It's [4:44:28, 4:44:31]: Depends on whether the plan is inc implemented. [4:44:31, 4:44:51]: Um so with an a modest allowance for redevelopment in the rest of the TAD, which is again the total TAD is five hundred acres. Those five sites we talked about was about three hundred and forty-five acres. So the rest of the TAD isn't even in these calculations. So hopefully you would see one-off investments in individual buildings and smaller neighbors. [4:44:51, 4:44:52]: Neighborhoods. [4:44:53, 4:44:54]: А овертай. [4:44:55, 4:44:57]: It's a potential over twenty five to thirty years. [4:44:58, 4:45:03]: That there'd be, you know, eighty five to a hundred and ten million in TAD increment over that time period. [4:45:03, 4:45:05]: So this graph kinda shows [4:45:05, 4:45:08]: The total tax collections from all three jurisdictions [4:45:09, 4:45:11]: This green line is the increment [4:45:12, 4:45:17]: The the junk the bulk of the revenues come from the school district, obviously the rest of the county. [4:45:18, 4:45:23]: And I have an allowance for city millage rate. Now I had to make an assumption. [4:45:24, 4:45:32]: So I can make an assumption that the city millage rate for the next thirty years will be zero, or I had to put a number in, I chose two. [4:45:33, 4:45:52]: So again that's a political to me if you don't assume any city millage contribution to the TAD fund, I think that just makes your life more difficult to get county and school is to participate. So I just put it in. If you I can take it out, but it's in there now. [4:45:52, 4:45:55]: Real quick. Well the the the uh public safety [4:45:57, 4:46:05]: element, right, would qualify for that public safety element would be uh approvable uh applicable here. [4:46:07, 4:46:11]: See the one point nine public safety the public has been playing would be applicable here? [4:46:13, 4:46:33]: As a I mean the tech the it says the county's not gonna be collecting it anymore. It could be applicable to today when and tomorrow, yes. The the key is when you talk about the adding that much more activity, that much more residential, your the police department won't look the way it looks today. Right. Right? So obviously the police [4:46:33, 4:46:45]: department is going to be much bigger because your city with everything that's that's already we brought into annexation, what's about to develop, and then you're developing, redeveloping an activity center downtown. [4:46:46, 4:46:53]: Your police department is gonna be much bigger than what it is. Um and the resources needed to sustain it is gonna be it's gonna cost. Right. [4:46:54, 4:47:09]: So anyway, there's again I put in two mills. A two millage rate number applied to thirty-four point nine million in digest would generate about seventy-one thousand in city taxes. [4:47:09, 4:47:29]: pretty small. So uh that wouldn't that pay for one officer maybe and a couple of benefits. So anyway, that's the forecast. The plan requires um that you make estimates in terms of how much TAD revenue could be generated and what it would be used for. [4:47:29, 4:47:29]: [17249.9, 17259.4]: Uh if you take this forecast, these are annualized revenues forecasted out with inflation. This is a cumulative number over thirty years. So [4:47:39, 4:47:42]: In the first ten years it would slowly ramp up. [4:47:42, 4:48:02]: And again, as everything is built out uh and values increase, uh it would it would go from there. So this revenue, particularly you know, twenty to thirty years out, may not be all that helpful to you in terms of being able to leverage it for public improvements or private improvements. [4:48:02, 4:48:07]: So again I discounted that revenue stream and came up with a number of about thirty million dollars. [4:48:08, 4:48:15]: Um if the county and the school district and if the city were to institute a two mil millage rate [4:48:16, 4:48:19]: Which I said by no later than twenty twenty four. [4:48:20, 4:48:40]: Um you potentially could finance thirty million dollars worth of improvements. When I say finance, that could be public financing, that could be pay as you go agreements with private developers, it could mean reimbursing doing you know public works bonds or revenue bonds and using TAD funds as one revenue source to pay that debt service. [4:48:40, 4:49:00]: And this is how I allocated it: 15% for roads and infrastructure improvements, another million as for that's four and a half million, one and a half million for parks and amenities, seven and a half million in contributions to structured parking, which may or may not be necessary, but again, that's it's in there in these numbers. [4:49:00, 4:49:20]: Numbers are likely to change. If you were to think of rental housing rehabilitation as being an eligible activity, you could allocate four and a half million, which rehabilitation of those units would pay back in terms of increased increment. And then reserving. [4:49:20, 4:49:30]: the the lion's year about$12 million as direct incentives for catalyst projects. Those will be numbers you those will be contributions you negotiate with developers. [4:49:30, 4:49:32]: To build things the way you want them built. [4:49:32, 4:49:35]: You pay for quality that you want as part of the plan. [4:49:35, 4:49:47]: And you also have an additional ability because you control so much real estate already that you could contribute that real estate along with TAD incentives to really get a much more valuable [4:49:48, 4:49:49]: Um [4:49:49, 4:49:51]: more menetized [4:49:52, 4:49:54]: development than would be possible otherwise. [4:49:56, 4:50:00]: So again that's the recommended uses. These numbers can change. Um [4:50:00, 4:50:08]: There's no magic to them. And then finally, what else is gonna be in this redevelopment plan? Uh probably the most important thing is the way the way it's drafted now. [4:50:09, 4:50:12]: The city council will retain power as the redevelopment agency. [4:50:12, 4:50:13]: For this plan. [4:50:14, 4:50:18]: for the redevelopment powers law. You have the ability to del delegate implementation [4:50:18, 4:50:38]: Tasks to the DDA or the U Urban Redevelopment Agency as needed, but you are the controlling entity. You're not gonna give that responsibility to a third party and let them make all the decisions and not consult you. That's the way the plan's written now. Other communities have done it differently. Um in Douglas County. [4:50:38, 4:50:57]: County, the Economic Development Agency is the redevelopment agent. The plan has to address consistency with your zoning and future land use map. Based on the discussion tonight, I think that's important. As a requirement, you've got to confirm the city's commitment to follow historic preservation. [4:50:58, 4:51:02]: policies it establishes a potential thirty year life for the Tad. [4:51:02, 4:51:13]: Could go as long as fifty years, I doubt the county and school district would go along. The city could dissolve the TAD at any time prior to thirty years, as long as you don't have outstanding obligations. [4:51:14, 4:51:21]: Uh so if things don't work out, five years, ten years from now, you can you can dissolve this tad. Um [4:51:21, 4:51:41]: And it gives you the way the plan's written, I've given you maximum flexibility to use whatever approaches to finance projects, including issuing bonds, not requiring you to issuing bonds, but just give you maximum flexibility to do respond to any opportunity down the road. And then finally, we have to do a school impact analysis on the Henry County. [4:51:41, 4:52:01]: County schools. Those impacts will be significant if we're talking, you know, close to a thousand units, new construction, rehabilitation. There will be impacts on the schools. They will probably want to negotiate some kind of reduction to their increment. [4:52:01, 4:52:21]: And then finally, all the individual TAD parcels would be included in the appendix. So what happens next? Um, a week from now, you will have the draft redevelopment plan. I basically only have to do the school impact analysis and tweak some things, it's ready to go. The public hearing would be on the twenty ninth. [4:52:21, 4:52:22]: Ninth of November. [4:52:24, 4:52:28]: Uh up until that hearing and even after that hearing you can incorporate changes [4:52:29, 4:52:49]: Uh right now we're anticipating you would vote on this December twelfth. And if you do vote uh on the resolution authorizing the TAD, you would submit a request to the county assessor before the end of the month to certify the accuracy of the TAD parcels, and that goes to the Commissioner Revenue and you should by the end of uh January. [4:52:49, 4:52:58]: Where I get a letter that the TAD is created. And from that point forward till it's dissolved, the County Board of Assessors does a separate TAD digest every year. [4:53:00, 4:53:06]: And then in the first quarter twenty two, you would request consent of the county and school district and negotiate with them. [4:53:08, 4:53:28]: And from that point, once you know what's in the kitty, once you know you know what the terms of participation are, then you have the ability uh to negotiate with developers, offer city owned parcels to the private sector, establish policies, uh, et cetera. Okay. You mean January twenty twenty three at [4:53:28, 4:53:47]: First quarter twenty twenty three, right? Yes. Okay. I'm sorry, yeah, that's a typo obvious. Okay. So yeah, first quarter. Um those negotiations have gone anywhere, in my experience, from you know, one night to eighteen months. So um and I think that's it. [4:53:49, 4:54:09]: We will do an abbreviated version of this presentation for the public hearing, so you'll see it again. And again, any input you may have, uh you have you know you basically have another month if you between now and voting on the resolution to make changes. Uh but you'll have the draft next. [4:54:09, 4:54:13]: Next week. [4:54:14, 4:54:15]: Basically this is what it's gonna say. [4:54:16, 4:54:28]: I appreciate the brief. So what uh appreciate a lot of information. I gotta I personally gotta let this sink in. Uh but otherwise tonight you n you need this a motion for us to go forward or or you just this is just information for us here tonight? [4:54:28, 4:54:34]: So tonight you guys we we will ask for and if I can go back hearing. [4:54:35, 4:54:37]: The for us to have the uh [4:54:39, 4:54:44]: Public hearing? Right. On the twenty ninth. On the twenty ninth. [4:54:45, 4:55:05]: I think we went two far back. Yes. So for us to hold a hearing on the public night one um and the adoption on the twelfth, we'll go ahead and advertise those dates, um, put them in the papers and advertise those dates, and then um we'll bring the um public hearing announce the ordinances in place for us to adopt the plan. [4:55:05, 4:55:06]: Mm. [4:55:06, 4:55:08]: Um on the twelfth. [4:55:08, 4:55:12]: Okay. So we don't have to vote tonight. Yeah. Oh not oh [4:55:12, 4:55:17]: Unless you just want us well, do we have to vote for them to to choose the base? I get it. [4:55:17, 4:55:19]: No, to choose the dates. Um [4:55:20, 4:55:22]: November twenty ninth, twenty. [4:55:22, 4:55:42]: twenty two um and uh december twelfth, twenty twenty two uh as our public hearing and adoption. You just want a motion to accept this adoption process, I suppose. Stand stand by please, Ms. Gantt. Yes, what's the question, sir? Um [4:55:43, 4:55:50]: W what is it what what's the difference in doing it on the twenty ninth versus doing it the first meeting in January? [4:55:51, 4:56:11]: Well, if you wait till January C said, it kicks you another year in the case. Oh, okay. Okay. This if this process is done in twenty twenty three and we get an agreement from the school board, we can then start using those funds. If you don't do it that way, you'll have to wait until twenty twenty four before you get it. But here's the thing. Do you have to have [4:56:11, 4:56:19]: Have because you started the process, do you have to have um the school board has to give us a yes before the end of the year? [4:56:21, 4:56:41]: No, negotiations can go into next year. Um yeah, it's too late to start that process. Some communities have tried it and succeeded. Uh they've adopted the plans early enough and gotten the school districts to go on board. Um but they cannot act they cannot act, they cannot vote on anything until [4:56:41, 4:57:00]: Until the redevelopment plan is approved and you adopt your resolution and the TAD is in place. So unfortunately, I mean you're at risk. You go through all this effort and they could say, you know, no, we're not gonna participate. The county could say, no, we're not gonna participate. But [4:57:00, 4:57:02]: Yeah, that's the way it the way it's written. [4:57:02, 4:57:22]: No, I got but what I'm saying is that so but so they can't hinder the process once we start it with the with the recommended days to have a hearing. No. Since the process already started, don't matter what they say, that we don't have to wait. But if they say yes, then we already in the process. Correct. Yeah. You would you would adopt the plan and then they [4:57:22, 4:57:42]: They would act upon it. I would not, I would suggest as a as a courtesy, um, you know, the plan will be ready next Monday. Uh you could send drafts to, you know, County Commission, School, Board of Education, at least the staff members of those organizations, and tell them, you know, Stockbridge has its draft. [4:57:42, 4:57:50]: I think they know now. [4:57:51, 4:58:06]: For some reason I think they know now. Yeah. I will tell you that the county does know. I I hadn't a chance to speak to a school board, but I've spoken to the county manager about this um back in September, so they're aware that we're we're working on this process. [4:58:07, 4:58:23]: Okay. It questions down this way? Just uh very briefly. The one thing that I wanna highlight on is that our our housing. A hundred and s uh nineteen sixty six is what you said, right? We talk a lot about affordable housing, but [4:58:24, 4:58:44]: We are missing m medium price housing. We need to elevate the housing prices here uh in this particular area to qu quality development, four hundred, five hundred thousand dollar homes in the area that we have none of at this present time. That's what came back in the Georgia Tech study for the DDA. [4:58:44, 4:58:51]: is that we were missing that component, uh especially in this area, which was quality homes. Absolutely. [4:58:51, 4:59:09]: And that's what you know, communities are selectively using these incentives to get developers to pay for quality that they couldn't afford otherwise. Um and you and you really have to look at it that way. Um it's not a giveaway to developers, you're using it as a negotiating tool to get what you want. [4:59:09, 4:59:16]: Um to implement your downtown plan and then to get quality of development around your downtown that makes everything work. [4:59:17, 4:59:17]: Mm-hmm. [4:59:18, 4:59:30]: Okay, the questions go ahead please, sir. Uh I I wanna get a better map, um, especially on the other side of uh North Hendry Boulevard. [4:59:32, 4:59:46]: Okay. I'll give that to you by two more. Yeah. I just wanna see that my protein you're talking about? Yeah, I I wanna I wanna see how deep I see what City Hall is, but I just wanna see [4:59:46, 4:59:47]: Street names and [4:59:47, 5:00:06]: Yeah, I just wanna see how deep does it go uh on the other side of North Henry Boulevard. I I I get that on the on the right side near the where the cultural arts uh site is. I I mean I get that, the Presbyterian, but I wanna see the other side of uh North Henry Boulevard. [5:00:07, 5:00:07]: Okay. [5:00:08, 5:00:28]: I think you know there's a reasonable justification since you're investing all this money in parks to include maybe some parcels down here. And possibly, you know, you've got a pretty sizable mobile home park up here. Um so it could take a second look at you know what's north of this area. [5:00:28, 5:00:38]: area four. Those are really the only two things that stood out to me as potential additions. Uh you run into the city limits a little bit further south and north, so [5:00:41, 5:00:42]: Okay. Any other questions? [5:00:44, 5:00:46]: I don't have a question. I'd like to make a motion. [5:00:51, 5:00:53]: Yeah, you would originally go and make a motion. [5:00:54, 5:01:04]: Oh. I second. Okay. Can't to uh Barber. Any further discussion? All favor please indicate. [5:01:04, 5:01:07]: Okay. Unanimous decision. Yes, sir. You good? [5:01:07, 5:01:11]: Well I I know a a recommendation for the dates. [5:01:11, 5:01:15]: They're they're already on here. Okay. They're the the dates are already on here. Okay. [5:01:15, 5:01:21]: Okay. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. We look forward to uh getting that uh document, I guess, uh within the next week. [5:01:21, 5:01:23]: All right. Thank you. [5:01:24, 5:01:37]: Council consideration to authorize the city of Stockbridge to publish a notice of intake uh to take action to increase the annual compensation. The mayor from fourteen four to twenty two, city council members twelve to [5:01:37, 5:01:38]: Twenty. [5:01:38, 5:01:42]: Effect of January one, uh, twenty twenty four. Mr. Washington, please. [5:01:45, 5:01:46]: Make it quick, y'all. [5:01:51, 5:02:11]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. I was asked to assist in the drafting of the resolution for the notice for pay increases for you all. And so I drafted it for your consideration. And the precedent to that is to get the approval from you all to be able to post it in the paper, et cetera, to go from there. And so [5:02:11, 5:02:24]: up to you all to decide what was proposed, but the proposal that I had came from you all and it's up for your consideration. So thank you. Mayor. Yes sir. Is there a public hearing or anything attached to this? Um [5:02:25, 5:02:30]: No probab no uh no public uh publish a notice of intent. Uh [5:02:32, 5:02:35]: Okay. I just want to go ahead and make the motion for approval. [5:02:36, 5:02:37]: Okay. I have a question. [5:02:38, 5:02:40]: All right. [5:02:40, 5:02:47]: You said the uh everyt came f it came from the this came everything came from the council? Yes. [5:02:47, 5:02:54]: I'm I'm not aware of these numbers or anything. So when you say it came from the council, who did it what do you mean it came from the council? [5:02:54, 5:02:55]: Uh Councilman Thomas. [5:02:58, 5:02:59]: Okay. [5:03:00, 5:03:08]: Any further discussion. Okay, you wanna make a if if not, you wanna make a motion, sir? Motion to approve recomm the recommendation written by the city attorney. [5:03:08, 5:03:15]: Okay, zero second. Okay, Member Portem second that. Any further discussion? Yes. All right, go ahead please. [5:03:15, 5:03:31]: Um, one of the things I look at at this council is that when we talk about all these expenditures that we have at hand at hand right now, we have not yet formulated or have in hand anything that's showing us a path forward. [5:03:32, 5:03:35]: and our expenditure for s sustainability for the city. [5:03:36, 5:03:49]: Um and we've got s uh capital improvement projects on board. We've got all these monies that are going out. We gotta increase our police department, we've got increase services. All of these things with expenditures that we have out. [5:03:51, 5:03:55]: And none of us have anything in hand to show us our path forward. [5:03:57, 5:04:03]: tangible information showing our path forward. All I know is what I've been told. [5:04:04, 5:04:08]: Nothing in hand and what I know what our financial advisor told us. [5:04:08, 5:04:17]: And so now they come at this time right now for a raise when we have no idea where all the money's gonna come from as it is for the expenditures that are already out there. [5:04:19, 5:04:20]: I say no. [5:04:20, 5:04:22]: Okay, any further discussion? [5:04:23, 5:04:25]: Okay, if no further discussion, all in favor of the motion please indicate? [5:04:27, 5:04:28]: Okay, all polls? [5:04:29, 5:04:29]: Abstain. [5:04:30, 5:04:33]: Okay, so it's three one one. Motion passed. [5:04:34, 5:04:50]: Okay. And the next item uh dealt with um uh looking at having a um a volunteer uh luncheon or dinner, I guess, for citiz says uh citizens volunteers for the past year. And Mayor Pro Tem you wanna discuss that please? [5:04:50, 5:04:54]: Yeah, um originally we made a motion to put it on here, James. [5:04:55, 5:05:14]: Right. And now I want to motion uh for council to authorize the reallocation of the 2022 Halloween event finding that for Ariel King Heritage Trail. [5:05:16, 5:05:25]: Okay. So let me go back. Yeah, yes, sir. Well to do what? That's the motion, but I I elaborate uh during the discussion. [5:05:25, 5:05:27]: Okay, motion's been made. Zero seconds to the motion. [5:05:28, 5:05:32]: Second. Okay. Mr. Alzheimer's second ask. Okay, discussion phase, sir. Go ahead, please. [5:05:35, 5:05:45]: As you know, Mr. Alexander, um you make the motion and the council approving um uh uh breaking out. [5:05:46, 5:06:02]: Stop my mic on, I'm sorry. Um Mr. Alexander, you made a motion for the Main Street program to um plan a Halloween event on ML King Harris's trail. [5:06:02, 5:06:04]: Discounted approved. [5:06:04, 5:06:24]: Um but it it did not happen. So those are the funds that I'm asking council to reallocate for uh the volunteer uh dinner. Um as we all know, you know, we have a a number of um [5:06:24, 5:06:40]: board members, volunteers, that always meet the challenge and the call when we reach out to them. And I think they really serve us well as far as volunteering. And I think it's only fitting [5:06:40, 5:06:42]: during the holiday season. [5:06:42, 5:07:02]: To show them exactly how much uh we appreciate them in volunteering and serving on the various boards. So, but again, the funding sources would be those funds that were earmarked for um M.L. King Heritage Trail, which uh did not happen. [5:07:02, 5:07:03]: [18424.8, 18425.3]: Okay. [5:07:06, 5:07:07]: Any further conversation? [5:07:08, 5:07:26]: And what I recall, Mayor Pro Tem, this is for Saturday, December tenth. Um I'm s yes. Um in the original motion I did indicate and I checked with um the Merrmanners Conference Center calendar. So December the tenth uh is available. [5:07:26, 5:07:28]: Okay. [5:07:29, 5:07:33]: No further discussion. All in favor of the motion, please any I'm sorry. What's the amount of the funds you were talking about? [5:07:33, 5:07:38]: ten thousand. Ten thousand. What's the month? Ten thousand that I think they had allocated. Ten thousand. [5:07:40, 5:07:43]: Say ten thousand is what I've been told. I'd like that to be put in a motion, please. [5:07:44, 5:08:03]: I would like that to be put into motion, please. Well, you have okay. Um I am my motion to add the dollar amount of ten thousand dollars, which was approved by this council, to uh for the main street. [5:08:03, 5:08:23]: Um well f for the ML King Harris senior trail for a Halloween uh event and it was in the amount of uh ten thousand that was um motioned and approved. Okay. I I I second that and uh say that uh we made the right choice. [5:08:23, 5:08:28]: Miss Cant, you did a good job on your Halloween event. It wasn't necessary for this event. [5:08:29, 5:08:49]: All right, good deal. All right, so that's been added to that motion. So all in favor of the motion, please indicate? I do have um is that a comment I wanted to well, I wanted to ask Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. Initially I spoke about a employee volunteer appreciation dinner for the holidays. Will this also include employees? [5:08:49, 5:08:51]: [18531.6, 18533.6]: Uh uh. [5:08:54, 5:08:56]: For employee and volunteer. [5:09:00, 5:09:01]: Not just volunteer. [5:09:04, 5:09:05]: Okay. [5:09:06, 5:09:23]: I'm I'm sorry. The employees have two dinners already. I'm not saying that don't invite them, but we already have we have two dinners set aside and then they get a bonus check during Thanksgiving. Oh they get Ms. They get the check and they get the two dinners. [5:09:24, 5:09:44]: I'm sorry, not bonus, but you know. Well they they don't get a bonus. Okay. Okay. They don't get a check. Hold on. Hold on a second. What I wanna what I wanna be cautious of is the when you say it to staff and employees, I don't [5:09:44, 5:09:51]: I don't know how many employees we have, maybe seventy five. Too many. [5:09:53, 5:10:02]: A hundred well, we have a hundred and fifty employees. Um and I'm working on the numbers of the boards and the volunteers, so [5:10:04, 5:10:05]: Ha ha ha. [5:10:05, 5:10:13]: My thinking is we may need to because we're talking about the board members, the volunteers and their plus one. [5:10:14, 5:10:27]: So I don't want this to really just get out of hand. I want us to be able to manage the numbers. Gotcha. And and and and be honest with you, we may not even need to use the whole ten. [5:10:27, 5:10:28]: Okay. [5:10:28, 5:10:28]: Mm. [5:10:29, 5:10:42]: I just want us to to do it and and Mr. Alexander in your motion, um I I'm fine. I'm fine with that. Well good. So we we gotta understand. Okay, so let's try this again. All favorite motion, please indicate. [5:10:43, 5:10:47]: Okay, all okay. So you pull okay, it's five. Dynamics decision. All right. [5:10:49, 5:11:09]: Announcements and upcoming events. Council meetings will be held in City Council chambers, meeting dates, location, times are subject to change. Please visit the city website at uh www.citystarbridge dot com for the meeting invitation. Link, Facebook page of contact city offices at seven seven zero three eight nine seventy nine hundred for updates. [5:11:09, 5:11:29]: Citywide Development Authority meeting 6 p.m. by way of Zoom, third Tuesday of each month, November 15th. You council advisory committee meeting 6:30, third through third Tuesday of each month. Levi meeting room city hall November 15th. Planning Commission meeting fourth Thursday at 6:30 p.m. City Hall Council. [5:11:29, 5:11:38]: Chambers November 17th. City Council Work Session Meeting Tuesday, 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, November 29th. [5:11:38, 5:11:58]: Main Street Advisory Board Meeting second Friday of each month, 9 a.m. City Levi, City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, December 9th. City Council meeting, second Monday of each month, City Hall, Council Chambers, December 12th. And U Council meeting 6:30, second Monday of each month. So City Hall Levi Meeting Room. And that's the City Hall on December. [5:11:58, 5:12:18]: Number twelve. Now um I I do have one correction when you get to that point. Okay. A continued salute to uh veterans, please forward uh pictures of veterans, including name, branch, rank, and years of service as Mayor Pro Tem Thomas presents a special tribute to our local veterans. Pictures should be submitted to Rosam Raw. [5:12:18, 5:12:38]: Rawls at R. Rawls at City of Stockbridge dash G A dot G-O-V and thank you for your service. Please join Councilwoman Barber for a free zoom on every Saturday morning at Clark Park, Clark Community Park, 8 a.m. Come out for your fitness in the park. The City of Stockbridge will be distributing free turkeys while [5:12:38, 5:12:58]: Supplies last on Saturday, November 19th, at Merrill Manos Conference Center parking lot 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. Mary Portin Thomas and the Henry County Fire Department will be distributing free smoke detectors by supplies last on Saturday, November 19th, in the parking lot at Merrill Manos Conference Center from 10 a.m. to 12. [5:12:58, 5:13:00]: twelve noon. Correction. Okay. [5:13:02, 5:13:16]: Okay. Correction Glacier. Um the Henry County Pol fire department will not be participating. Um Wales will be um participating. [5:13:16, 5:13:17]: Okay. [5:13:17, 5:13:37]: All right. And uh join Mayor Ford for his monthly meet the mayor on Monday, November twenty-eighth from ten AM to twelve noon. Please contact Rosland Rawls to schedule an in-person appointment. R Rawls at city of stopbridge dash G dot Gov or call six seven eight-eight three three three three four eight. Please [5:13:37, 5:13:57]: Please join the City of Star Breach for the annual holiday festival featuring Santa and Mrs. Claus and live nativity scene, live entertainment, inflatables, rides and DJing food trucks on Thursday, December first, from five PM to nine PM at the Stockbridge Amphitheater parking lot. Please join the City of Star Breach for the Annual Holiday Festival. [5:13:57, 5:14:17]: Wait a minute, that's a duplicate there. Okay. Bingle is back. Please join Councilman Blount on Wednesday, December 7th, from 10 a.m. to 12 noon at Merylman's Conference Center for lots of fun. And my particular comments for today would be first thing, congratulations to the additional citizens. [5:14:17, 5:14:23]: citizens that citizen that voted to annex into the city on November eighth. Fantastic. [5:14:23, 5:14:43]: Uh I would say that that you'll you'll be proud citizens, that uh we protected and served you well and uh you'll be happy for the rest of your living days while you're in the city of living Stockbridge that you're a member of the Stockbridge City uh government or m members of City uh City of Stockbridge. So it's up to us to to listen to you and and continue to have uh [5:14:43, 5:15:03]: uh do good things for you in this process and have open dialogue in this aspect. So congratulations and thank you for voting. That's come becomes effective one uh one January. And obviously you'll get uh each individual council member will have a specific uh council chambers, uh council um uh districts in this aspect as well so you'll get familiar with [5:15:03, 5:15:23]: With the particular uh council members that will represent your Pacific district in this aspect. So fantastic. Um mayor forward. Yes, sir. Um I'd like to also extend an invitation to uh Chief Chairman and the Stockbridge Police Department. Chief, you may recall uh [5:15:23, 5:15:25]: Um [5:15:25, 5:15:34]: Last year at Smith Barney Elementary School, um, you all assisted in the um Smoke Alarm giveaway. [5:15:34, 5:15:36]: So um [5:15:37, 5:15:57]: You you know, you can you can contact me, see if that's something that uh some of y you and your officers may want to do. It would be on the very same day that we will be doing the turkey giveaway and we'll just be on the far end uh of the line giving away the uh smoke alarm. But uh you can let me know if this [5:15:57, 5:16:00]: something that you know you wanna get involved in. [5:16:02, 5:16:22]: And prayers and condolences to the family members who actually uh unfortunately perished in a home fire that's located uh here in Stockbridge. It's well documented with on the news and uh local newspaper and and and television in this aspect. So prayers to that family and congratulations uh to the Henry County Sheriff Department for capturing [5:16:21, 5:16:41]: uh an individual that uh was uh evading their um invading them of course but come do but they found him due to the fact that uh course he had uh killed and shot uh someone so congratulations to them as well. Um happy belated veterans day to all the veterans. Um uh we had a great uh Veterans Day activity a couple of days ago. [5:16:41, 5:17:00]: um actually on Friday, and so congratulations and continue to uh let us continue to serve in your community as best as you can. Um the other thing I'd like to mention is that uh as you well know that Michael Harris, a Stockbridge resident, Stockbridge High School graduate, is up for National League Rookie of the Year. [5:17:01, 5:17:06]: It hasn't been determined yet that I know of, but uh his his actual competition, believe it or not, is another Atlanta Brave. [5:17:06, 5:17:07]: It's also a rookie. [5:17:08, 5:17:19]: uh strider, I believe his name is. So but we'll see what happens here when they make the final selection. So one way or the other we got to get Michael Harris up here and to the city council and honor him as well. [5:17:19, 5:17:31]: And ladies and gentlemen, as you well know, that uh uh you voted on November eighth and uh we now have a uh runoff election between Senator Warnock and uh Herschel Walker. [5:17:31, 5:17:34]: So early voting starts on uh the uh [5:17:34, 5:17:35]: Monday. [5:17:36, 5:17:56]: Uh November twenty-eighth. Uh so it's your constitutional right to uh vote. So hopefully you are registered and uh you go vote and uh it's your constitutional right once again, and of course it's your civic duty. And uh we shall see what happens when uh after we we have this uh runoff results. Uh so [5:17:56, 5:18:03]: Well God bless y'all. That's all I have for tonight. And uh counsel, need to ask you whether or not we're gonna go into executive session or not. [5:18:06, 5:18:07]: Mm-hmm. [5:18:07, 5:18:27]: I know. If it's not gonna go to second session, then uh So legal does have a request for executive session and we have some uh guidelines we like for you all to follow if we do go into executive session because you all be able to remain on the DS tonight for it. And we we've talked with IT and security about turning off the cameras and the microphones. [5:18:27, 5:18:33]: And they would secure the doors from the outside and not be in here so that way we'd have space and we did this. [5:18:34, 5:18:35]: All right, so [5:18:35, 5:18:40]: I okay, so uh why I need a motion to go to the second session, uh if that is the case, we will do so. [5:18:41, 5:18:45]: And we'll take a break for y'all to get, you know, something to eat, but then we'll come back in here and do it. [5:18:48, 5:18:58]: Need a motion to go into it. Motion to go in the mayor. Uhhuh. Motion to go in the you wanna make motion. Okay, you motion for the so it's gonna be personal, legal and and real estate. Yes, sir. [5:19:02, 5:19:04]: Oh, and there is one real there is one real estate item too. [5:19:05, 5:19:14]: All right. So are we secure? Real estate and personnel, yeah. That once we tell them they know how to do they have a proceeding in place for securing the room for you all to be stay where you are. [5:19:16, 5:19:23]: Let's just l no break, let's just go on straight in. Let's go ahead and move through. Okay. [5:19:24, 5:19:26]: Uh the Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, put your motion, please sir. [5:19:27, 5:19:31]: Executive session for personnel real estate. [5:19:32, 5:19:33]: Litigation. [5:19:35, 5:19:40]: And litigation, sir. Is there a second? Second. Okay, all in favor, please indicate. [5:19:40, 5:19:41]: All right. [5:19:42, 5:19:44]: We will go into second session. Okay. [5:19:46, 5:19:46]: [19187.2, 19196.0]: They're gonna go ahead and turn the camera they're gonna turn the cameras off. We're not gonna be live streaming and we're gonna turn the mics off as well. So they won't be able to hear outside security leaving man the doors from the outside. [5:20:09, 5:20:10]: Yeah. [5:20:24, 5:20:26]: Everything off now. [5:20:27, 5:20:28]: Is everything off? [5:20:29, 5:20:30]: There came out.