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--- title: August 29 2017 Work Session date: 2017-08-29 source: 2017-08-29_August_29_2017_Work_Session.wav --- [0:00:05, 0:00:07]: So [0:00:08, 0:00:16]: I like to see a light. See? [0:00:16, 0:00:19]: See a light? I don't see a light. Yeah. No. [0:00:21, 0:00:29]: Okay, [0:00:30, 0:00:36]: You know how to work clicker? Hey Mike. Do you know how to work clicker? [0:00:39, 0:00:46]: Down here? I got it right here, but you just don't seem to turn it on. Battery? It could be. [0:00:46, 0:00:51]: Can't get it to open. Is that [0:00:51, 0:00:53]: Always hate them plastic and I'll break them. [0:00:54, 0:00:55]: Did I get it? [0:00:55, 0:00:58]: Yeah, we just need a triple A battery probably. [0:00:58, 0:01:07]: Yeah, let's put it in the second one. Oh there it'll turn green. We'll get it to go green. Sometimes it just stays like that for so long that it just needs to roll around. [0:01:12, 0:01:14]: [ 76.7, 78.7]: Oh great deal. [0:01:20, 0:01:24]: [ 85.3, 93.4]: Let's see. 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[0:06:03, 0:06:12]: Um at this time I would like to call up one of our local pastors, Pastor Robert Elam, and he's gonna come to our microphone and [0:06:12, 0:06:19]: um have our invocation followed by the pledge to the American flag. So if you'll join us for that, if you'll stand. [0:06:23, 0:06:24]: Let us bow his own. [0:06:25, 0:06:33]: Heavenly Father, we want to come to you today. We just want to thank you, God, just for your grace, your mercy, your understanding. But most of all God, we ask you allow all of us to be on one accord. [0:06:33, 0:06:38]: So Father we just thank you, God. We just ask you right now, God, just to reign within us. [0:06:38, 0:06:41]: In Jesus' name. Amen. [0:06:43, 0:06:56]: Pledge allegiance to the United States somewhere and to the revolution. [0:07:00, 0:07:16]: Ladies and gentlemen, this is a special night for Stockbridge. I am a I am very pleased to announce to you that last week I recommended Randy Knighton to be our next city manager. He comes to us with a great reputation and a wealth of experience. [0:07:17, 0:07:19]: He is here with us this evening. [0:07:19, 0:07:25]: And I would like to ask Randy if you would, he's in the back of the room, if he would stand to be recognized. [0:07:32, 0:07:42]: We anticipate that Mr. Knighton's nomination will be confirmed next week on September seventh, at which time we are planning a um [0:07:42, 0:08:02]: uh formal but uh welcoming reception from mister Knighton and uh it is for the entire community. If anyone would like to come out and meet him and talk with him further that evening uh you would be welcome. And uh Randy we all look forward, not only the council and the mayor and the [0:08:02, 0:08:09]: a legal um um uh member of our staff and everyone on our staff but [0:08:09, 0:08:16]: Many people throughout our community have been getting phone calls from Gainesville where Mr. Knighton is coming from. [0:08:16, 0:08:25]: And the word is we scored a big win and we thank you so much for um agreeing to come to Stockbridge to lead us into the future. Thank you very much. [0:08:27, 0:08:31]: At this time we'll ask our clerk for her to call our roll. [0:08:32, 0:08:50]: Thank you. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Blount. Present. Mayor Neal. Present. Mayor Pro Tem Ford. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. Present. Councilwoman Robinson. Present. Mayor Neal, you have a quorum. Thank you very much. Uh before we uh uh accept our agenda [0:08:51, 0:09:11]: Um we need to amend our agenda. Can we do that, Madam Clerk, before we okay. All right, we have two amendments. One is coming um from a request that we had earlier in the day to remove motion number two uh from your agenda. So if you would strike that on the following page. [0:09:11, 0:09:17]: Page um under new business. Item number two has been removed. I need a motion to go forward with that. [0:09:18, 0:09:19]: So moved. [0:09:19, 0:09:21]: Thank you. Do I hear second? [0:09:22, 0:09:22]: My second. [0:09:23, 0:09:30]: Okay, we have a motion in a second to remove item two under discussion from our agenda. Any discussion? [0:09:31, 0:09:33]: If not, all in favour. [0:09:34, 0:09:46]: Thank you very much. Next um we have uh an agenda item to add for the point of discussion and that's going to be presented by Councilwoman Robinson. [0:09:48, 0:09:49]: So move. [0:09:49, 0:09:53]: I second. Okay. Any discussion? [0:09:55, 0:09:56]: No discussion. All in favor? [0:09:57, 0:09:58]: Okay, thank you. [0:10:02, 0:10:13]: At this time um we are going to review no no, at this time we've got to have a motion to accept the entire agenda now that it's been amended. So do I hear a motion? [0:10:13, 0:10:14]: Oh more. [0:10:14, 0:10:20]: Okay, we have a motion. Do I hear a second? Have a motion and a second. Any discussion? [0:10:21, 0:10:23]: If not, all in favour? [0:10:24, 0:10:31]: Okay, at this time we're going to review minutes of the following meetings, council meetings from uh july tenth [0:10:32, 0:10:39]: uh work session meeting of seven twenty five and special call meeting of uh july twenty sixth. [0:10:40, 0:10:42]: At this time. Those are just for review. [0:10:43, 0:10:48]: At this time, Madam Clerk, do we have any three minute comments from the public? [0:10:49, 0:11:02]: There are no comments. There are miracles. There are miracles. Uh at this time um we have a presentation um and we are delighted to have with us this evening um [0:11:02, 0:11:22]: one of our own from our community and we're gonna ask uh Pro Tem Ford if he would introduce uh Mr Curry. Yeah thank you Mayor I appreciate it. Ladies and gentlemen um when we were in Savannah for our annual general GMA conference, uh Mr William uh Curry was down there talking to elements of of the GMA uh body [0:11:22, 0:11:42]: about the two thousand twenty census. And I got a chance to sit down on one of those briefings, but I wanted him to make a presentation to the entire council and sure that we're all in sync and and we're doing the right things here in the city of Stockbridge. Mr Curry also happens to be my neighbor. He lives right around the corner from me in Monart Village, so I see him often as we walk our dogs up and down the street. [0:11:42, 0:11:45]: But Mr Curry, could you please come to the podium, sir? [0:11:48, 0:12:04]: Well good afternoon. Good afternoon. I'm William Curry. I'm from the US Census Bureau. I've been doing this for about eighteen years now and like you said, I've been doing a lot of travel. I've been speaking to a lot of different cities, counties, and even the state on this program because it's very, very important. However [0:12:05, 0:12:17]: I'd be remiss or be could not not speak in my own backyard. So I have to do this and would I'm glad um they invited me to come out because this is a very important program and I'm glad to be able to come out for it. [0:12:18, 0:12:29]: So today I'm going to talk about I know you guys are s you hear that they know census or they I'm familiar with the census but I know the public you guys will know census as well. So it's gonna this presentation is gonna not only [0:12:30, 0:12:31]: That's gonna affect everybody. [0:12:31, 0:12:38]: and it's federal funding. So this is a great presentation for everyone to understand w what is the logistics behind this. So [0:12:39, 0:12:47]: The very first program that comes out of the 2020 census is called the Local Update of Census Address Program, known as Luca 2020. [0:12:48, 0:13:00]: Basically I'll give a overview, talk about what this program means, what is LUCA, I'll talk about LUCA confidentiality and security, what does that mean? I'll talk about statewide participation. [0:13:01, 0:13:02]: Uh in twenty ten. [0:13:02, 0:13:11]: Also talk about the different options that are available for this program and how to prepare for your hundred and twenty-day and what does that mean? Hundred and twenty-day review. [0:13:13, 0:13:13]: Now [0:13:14, 0:13:21]: Question is, why do you allocate your resources for these programs, for CENSES programs? The answer to that is [0:13:21, 0:13:22]: money. [0:13:22, 0:13:28]: Federal funding. Okay. Trying to get all the counts right is extremely important to federal funding. [0:13:29, 0:13:44]: And you guys use our federal funding to make community decisions, whether you how many where you want it. Schools, s uh every every community resource you can think of comes under the federal funding. So that's why I want a reason why it's very, very important. [0:13:45, 0:13:48]: Now, let's talk about a few things on this slide here. [0:13:49, 0:14:02]: First thing we want to talk about is some we we we do this every ten years. So a lot of things have changed since that point. So we have to keep up with the times as well. So now we're getting into twenty twenty. Some things have changed. For example, [0:14:03, 0:14:05]: motivating people to respond. [0:14:05, 0:14:19]: Right back then when we did it in twenty ten we didn't have Facebook, we didn't have Twitter. So now we have to take it to social media to go and motivate people to respond to the Census Bureau. So that's one of the new methods we're doing in twenty twenty. [0:14:19, 0:14:24]: The other thing that we're doing is this would affect everyone is and I just want to make sure we're clear on this. [0:14:25, 0:14:45]: This time we're going to have what we call internet self-response. So when you want to get counted this time, the the in 2010 you you guys used to mail the form, mail it back. This time you can go on your cell phone or your computer and get counted on the computer. You can go ahead and get counted. It's called Internet Self-Response. So you can pick up your phone and quickly do your [0:14:45, 0:15:05]: census form and that's it. And also if you don't feel comfortable with the internet, you can use telephone response. You can go in and basically call the census bureau and get counted on the phone as well. So and those are the some of the new methods we're doing for 2020 census. That's our new design. And of course we still do offer the mail option if those [0:15:04, 0:15:23]: those who don't trust the internet and telephone but we're really trying to sway people into the internet self response. And as the as the years go on you're gonna hear a lot about this from the Census Bureau and really pushing a lot of people to really use the internet to fill out the census form. So those some of the new things that are under the twenty twenty census design. [0:15:26, 0:15:29]: Now, let's talk about addresses for a second. [0:15:30, 0:15:40]: One thing we've doing as a Census Bureau, we update our address lists quite a bit. And one of the things we use is the US Postal Service. The US Postal Service gives us address updates twice a year. [0:15:41, 0:16:01]: And that's that's one of them updates we do. And we also use what we call address canvassing. Address canvassing is where we take the operation, we go door to door to everyone and make sure we get all the addresses. So so that's one of our other ad um one of our other operations that we use. However, this time we're gonna not just send people out all the time. [0:16:01, 0:16:13]: We're gonna actually do something on the computer, they'll look at a address list, use imagery, use Google and find addresses online, and then if we can't find them online then we'll go out and send someone out to the field to get counted. [0:16:13, 0:16:14]: Now [0:16:14, 0:16:19]: The next programme I want to talk about is the one that most important, our LUCA programme. [0:16:20, 0:16:35]: It's called the local update of census address. Basically, this is the operation where we all offer this one time, once every ten years, where you guys can go in, look at our address list, make changes, and give it back to us. [0:16:35, 0:16:41]: That's the bottom line. You get this one shot to do this and we only offer this once every ten years. [0:16:42, 0:17:00]: Now why is this such a big deal or why we only offer this one time? Why is this because mainly I look at this program as we kind of set the table for the census. In order to count people, we need to know where everyone lives. So that's one of the main reasons why this is extremely important. And the other reason is that [0:17:00, 0:17:03]: We want to make sure we have all your addresses. [0:17:03, 0:17:10]: And the reason why it is, and I'm going to show something to you, and I know some of you guys don't have this paper. This paper here is from the George Washington University study. [0:17:11, 0:17:18]: It's called counting for dollars. It gives you the estimate of how much the state of Georgia gets for federal funding or what is the estimate is projected to get. [0:17:19, 0:17:29]: It is it is projected that each person in the state of Georgia, every person that lives in the household is worth one thousand three hundred and thirty nine dollars. [0:17:29, 0:17:36]: So if you take a family of four and you multiply that, you're looking at fifty three thousand or around about fifty three thousand dollars. [0:17:37, 0:17:47]: If my address is missing, a family of four and you have several houses that are missing, that's how much money the city of Stockbridge could be potentially losing. [0:17:47, 0:18:05]: That's a big deal.'Cause nobody wants to come up short on federal funding. So that's why it's important for City of Stockbridge and anyone, any county, any city to make sure that we look at our address list, make changes and give it back to us. So this is why this program is so critical. [0:18:06, 0:18:06]: Yeah. [0:18:07, 0:18:13]: What are the some of the new things that we're talking about? One of the new things we're going over in Luca is that we're [0:18:14, 0:18:34]: You guys get to l look at our address list. That's the one new thing. You'll look at it, update it, and give it back to us. It also includes uh structure points. So when you mainly structure points is where we actually give you the lat long for each house, so that it does have that as well. And we'll also allow you guys to submit non city style addresses with [0:18:33, 0:18:53]: You can identify them on the map. So as long as you're able to do that, we can have that. Well the one of the most things I would say that important for this program is that if you're going to add apartment complexes or multi-units, you've got to have the unit identified. You've got to have unit A, unit B, unit C for each one of your apartments. So that's critical if you're going to update. [0:18:53, 0:19:05]: our address list. Make sure you have your address list with the uh apartment numbers on. So those are the most important things. Now let's talk about confidentiality and security. Okay. [0:19:05, 0:19:12]: The our information, our addresses are protected by under Title thirteen, which is under the US Code. [0:19:12, 0:19:32]: So mainly what that means is that we cannot share our address data with anybody. Okay? We can't share it. And the reason why we can't share it because we gotta make sure the public understands, you guys understand, that we're not sharing this data with anybody. Okay? And we have to make sure I we cannot share this with anybody. And then that's the [0:19:32, 0:19:44]: That's the reason why our addresses are so confidential. So in this program, if anyone wants to participate in this program, they have to sign up in order to view our addresses. So we'll go over that in a few minutes. [0:19:45, 0:19:53]: Now, oh jeez, there's the wrong map here. I'll go over. I was gonna show you some maps here, but it's the wrong one. But we'll move on to the timeline. [0:19:53, 0:19:53]: Okay. [0:19:54, 0:19:55]: So [0:19:55, 0:20:02]: The timeline we got right now is we sent out advanced notices to the mayor in January. Let him know that this program was coming. [0:20:02, 0:20:11]: And also in April we started our promotional workshop trainings. This is a promotional workshop. A small version of it, but we're we'll go over that. [0:20:11, 0:20:28]: And uh july twenty seventeen uh we started our registration. The registration forms went out to all the highest elected officials. I did see that you guys registered, which is great. And so but there are other places that did not and so we're starting to still send them out as we speak to all the cities and counties in our region. [0:20:29, 0:20:47]: And October we'll have uh trainings for this, our technical trainings to go over the nuts and bolts of this. So everyone in your staff that will be participating in this program make sure they are aware of the October, November and even December Janu uh and January trainings. So we'll we'll have about three to four months of trainings throughout the state. [0:20:48, 0:20:49]: Now, um [0:20:50, 0:21:05]: In February twenty eighteen, the address list comes to you guys. Okay? You have a hundred and twenty days to review the address list. Look at the address list, make changes, and give it back to us. So you have a hundred and twenty days to do that. [0:21:05, 0:21:10]: If you do not wait after the one hundred and twenty days, then we can't guarantee we'll process your address. [0:21:11, 0:21:13]: So that's one of the most important things. [0:21:13, 0:21:33]: August twenty nineteenth, we will give you feedback on your addresses. So basically what's going to happen is you're going to submit your addresses to us, we're going to go through several census operations and verify every single one of your address records and then give it back to you with a with a report card. Whether we accept all of them or not, or there's a few we ha could not accept. [0:21:33, 0:21:36]: So we'll that takes place in August twenty nineteen. [0:21:38, 0:21:42]: And these are the examples of some of the registration forms that what they look like. [0:21:42, 0:21:45]: So they look like that, it's a packet. You guys already did that, so we'll move on. [0:21:46, 0:21:47]: Now [0:21:47, 0:21:57]: Assembling your team. If you are assembling your team for this program, make sure the high selected official signs off on the program and you d designate a liaison. [0:21:57, 0:22:01]: Once you de designate a liaison, you'll have reviewers. [0:22:01, 0:22:10]: Reviewers are people who are going to review the address list. They all have to sign up for the program. Anybody who's not signed up for the program cannot view this data. [0:22:11, 0:22:17]: So that's how that and that's the responsibility of the liaison to make sure that everyone signs up for the program. [0:22:20, 0:22:21]: All right. [0:22:21, 0:22:41]: A hundred it takes a it's like I said, once you prepare for this hundred and twenty day review in February when the address list comes to you guys. Why is that important?'Cause it's estimate it takes between sixteen to six hundred and seventy two hours of manpower to do this program. So it takes some work. So I want you guys to be aware so when your staff is working on it, try [0:22:41, 0:23:01]: I'm not to give them a whole lot of other work to do because there's a lot of addresses to go over. And I know I've been here for about what ten years now. This area's grown since ten years ago. So we've expanded a lot. So yeah, we'll have more addresses, a lot more to deal with this time go around. So it's it's again, it takes about between sixteen to seventeen two hundred. [0:23:01, 0:23:03]: hundred hours to complete this address list. [0:23:04, 0:23:05]: And why is it dead? [0:23:06, 0:23:12]: because basically you have to go through each one of your addresses, look at ours, make changes, and that's a lot of addresses to go through. [0:23:13, 0:23:26]: And so here are some of the options we offer. We offer paper option and digital option. So you can get a paper address list or you can use our computers and uh use our data as well or GIS, the geographic information system. [0:23:28, 0:23:46]: And when you are using our product, we will provide you with our own software known as GUPS. You can use ours. And GUP stands for Geographic Update Partnership Software. It's our own software you can use. And you have paper format if you want to use our address list and you can also use your own using digital format. [0:23:48, 0:23:49]: Prioritizing your review. [0:23:50, 0:24:09]: Make sure your guys' addresses are up to par. Make sure they're updated constantly for this operation. Because you're gonna have to l use your list and compare it with ours and update our address list. Make sure you got areas of new construction, make sure that's up to par. Um, make sure when you are using new construction, make sure the house is there. [0:24:10, 0:24:17]: A lot of times folks sit in as addresses, the house doesn't even appear and we'll give we'll reject that address. So make sure that it does appear. [0:24:17, 0:24:30]: So make sure you've got like new apartments, make sure they're updated. And I know that a lot of people are moving into tiny homes or other places where they're different. Make sure they're updated and so you'll be able to update our address list. [0:24:31, 0:24:51]: This is our website here. Uh you can go look at this. It's uh wwwcensus.gov partnership and it's for Luca and you can go in and it has all the updates. It shows you even information about what other cities and counties are being registered around you. You can go there and look at that and take a look at that information. But it's a lot of information there. [0:24:51, 0:24:53]: [1494.8, 1512.2]: I if you have any questions, there's a toll-free number there that's 844-344-0169. That's our helpline for this program. And there's also an email if you got questions. And I'm also available as well at the Atlanta Regional Office, and that's the main phone number there. [0:25:12, 0:25:14]: So any questions? [0:25:16, 0:25:18]: Yes, I have one question. [0:25:19, 0:25:39]: I would like that we have an interesting dynamic here which is we have city we have like myself I have a McDonough address. Yes. So then I have a separate zip code, but I'm also in the city limits of Stockbridge. So when that information comes to you and we send you the list of address [0:25:39, 0:25:51]: that uh that wouldn't be kicked out as a potential issue because our dress was different or the zip coat was different or how could we tailor that to make sure it was accepted. [0:25:52, 0:26:00]: Well, first thing is with this program it's all about within your city limits. Mm-hmm. That's right. So if the address is within the city of Stockbridge, that's what you get. [0:26:01, 0:26:05]: So it can have a different zip code. Don't we don't follow zip codes. [0:26:05, 0:26:22]: So as long as your address falls within the city of Stockbridge, th it will fall on the bridge. And this operation is only bounded by the city current boundaries we have in our system. So whatever the city boundary is, if your address is within the city boundary, then it will be on this list. [0:26:24, 0:26:30]: Okay. Uh any other questions? Mr. Forward. Yes, sir. Yes ma'am, appreciate that, ma'am. Um [0:26:31, 0:26:47]: Per capita, one thousand three hundred thirty nine dollars per capita per house per individual in the household. So and I don't know if you know the answers, maybe you do. If y you I think you mentioned that if you miss a household that's not counted, that's money funding, federal funding that the city will not get if they're not accounted for. And [0:26:48, 0:27:08]: So obviously that's not good to miss that out and miss that opportunity, but how does that funding come? Do you have any idea? How would it be identified and come to the city? Do you have an idea about that? Yeah, the funding comes through the different multiple programs that are listed here. So they come that in that direction. Now how they actually come from or what part of the government I that's that our we that [0:27:08, 0:27:15]: For the Census Bureau we don't know that. Okay. But for us we we just give it to our you know to Congress and then Congress will take it from there. [0:27:15, 0:27:20]: Okay. So they'll come from there. Uh it will come from Congress. All right, thank you. Appreciate it. Sure. [0:27:22, 0:27:28]: If not, Mr Curry, thank you so much for coming and enlightening us about this. We've been following it for the last few months, so [0:27:29, 0:27:33]: I hope we can get everybody signed up. We don't wanna miss our opportunity. [0:27:35, 0:27:37]: Thank you. [0:27:38, 0:27:49]: At this time we're going to move on to new business and on our agenda tonight we have three items that are going to be presented to us by our public works director. Um [0:27:50, 0:27:52]: Dashus errant at this time. [0:27:53, 0:27:55]: Good evening, Madam Mayor and Council. [0:27:55, 0:27:58]: We come before you tonight with three articles of business. [0:27:58, 0:28:05]: When I first came here one of the things I I talked about in that survey I passed out was public private partnerships. [0:28:06, 0:28:11]: And tonight we're coming before you to ask you to approve to allow the Department of Public Works. [0:28:11, 0:28:12]: To use [0:28:12, 0:28:16]: uh three private partners, one for on call landscaping. [0:28:16, 0:28:17]: Which will be [0:28:18, 0:28:23]: conducted by Mo Big Mole's Lawn Care Maintenance and Landscaping, L L C [0:28:24, 0:28:32]: The second is to ask for consideration to approve the on-call water and sewer emergency and operational repair, maintenance and construction services. [0:28:32, 0:28:34]: And the vendor is Site Engineering Inc. [0:28:35, 0:28:43]: And the third is the a lot of approval to on call street maintenance vendor DAF concrete. And what we're asking is [0:28:43, 0:28:53]: We're not saying we're gonna use these per se, we're not gonna have a set schedule, but if an event arises that we need to use them then we wanna have [0:28:53, 0:29:01]: the ability to call one of those contractors say um a right away need to be mowed more frequently than we can [0:29:01, 0:29:18]: afford to get around to it, then we have a landscaper that we can call. They bid it on every street within the city limits of stop bridge. We have a price what it would cost to cut those individual streets. And also we had a business bid on the concrete work and pothole repair. [0:29:19, 0:29:39]: And we also about the uh water and sewer. But this is just like having an an insurance policy, but we're not paying a premium unless we use the services of these vendors. So I just think it'll really be beneficial to the city. It'll alleviate having to go out and try to hire additional staff and buy equipment and assume the liabilities that are [0:29:39, 0:29:45]: associated with hiring additional staff and I just think this'll uh be very beneficial to the city of Stockbridge. [0:29:46, 0:30:06]: And uh I believe it's true, um, Mr. Aaron, that you have met with the treasurer and in each of these categories um our treasurer feels that there's enough money in place to take care of this authorization. Is that correct? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Manil. Okay. Any questions? [0:30:06, 0:30:17]: Uh Mayor, I may. Um I would like to move that we approve the on-call landscaping vendor beatmo's lawn care maintenance and landscaping LLC. [0:30:17, 0:30:36]: I have a question. Uh let me ask, are you presenting all three of these at one time or are you presenting one at a time? We can discuss them in a group. Oh okay. I'm going to go to the case. I will um withdraw that motion for right now then if it's going to do all three. [0:30:37, 0:30:44]: Okay, so you are making a motion to approve items uh under new business three, four and five. Is that correct? [0:30:45, 0:31:05]: N no no mayor, he's gonna do the rest of the presentation on the others. But have you done the uh they were all three done at the same time. Okay. So so yes. Okay I would like to amend um my motion to include items three, four, and five um for council consideration to approve the on-call landscape and vendor, big moes, lawn care maintenance and LL ski. [0:31:05, 0:31:19]: Maintenance and Landscaping LLC, the OnCall Water and Sewer Emergency and Operational Repair, Maintenance and Construction Service Vendor, Site Engineer Inc., and the OnCall Street Maintenance Vendor, DAF Concrete. [0:31:20, 0:31:22]: Okay, we have a motion. Do we hear a second? [0:31:22, 0:31:28]: I have an excuse. You have a second? No, I have a question. Okay. Did I hear a second to amend [0:31:31, 0:31:33]: Now second to a mend. [0:31:34, 0:31:35]: Washington, so [0:31:35, 0:31:36]: Okay. [0:31:37, 0:31:43]: Uh, do you want to back up and take'em one at a time? But we don't have a second to amend those three. [0:31:43, 0:31:46]: Let's go back and take one at a time. [0:31:48, 0:31:51]: Well the first one is for the approval of the own called landscaping, which is [0:31:52, 0:31:55]: Big molds, lawn care, maintenance and landscape and LLC. [0:31:55, 0:31:56]: And I have a question. [0:31:57, 0:31:57]: Yes, ma'am. [0:31:58, 0:31:59]: Can I have Thank you, Mayor? [0:31:59, 0:32:00]: Um [0:32:01, 0:32:04]: So we've d did R S B R F P on this. [0:32:05, 0:32:09]: For us okay, so we did that. And my main question is [0:32:12, 0:32:14]: My main question is [0:32:14, 0:32:17]: They're not just gonna be a bush hall type [0:32:18, 0:32:19]: landscape or [0:32:20, 0:32:24]: They're gonna come out like the normal, do landscaping, edging. [0:32:25, 0:32:45]: Spring depending on the event. No ma'am, that's that's completely separate. This is for the right of way maintenance. The landscaping is complete is separate. Okay. Because it deals m mostly with beautification. This is just to help you. I don't hear on call landscaping vendor. But this is just to help us if we run short of personnel, we can't get [0:32:45, 0:32:52]: people and things of that nature or you want to right away cut more frequently then we can afford to get around to it. So okay so right away. [0:32:53, 0:32:55]: Any other questions, Mr. Blount? [0:32:56, 0:33:01]: Good evening, Mr Dacious. Uh one of the things that um I've always asked is [0:33:01, 0:33:04]: along with other council members, what do you need? [0:33:04, 0:33:08]: uh over in public works to function at the level that [0:33:09, 0:33:09]: The [0:33:10, 0:33:13]: city needs to it to be functional. And one of the things that uh [0:33:14, 0:33:16]: My concern with these [0:33:17, 0:33:22]: on call um entities is that, if you will, is that uh [0:33:22, 0:33:26]: We're looking at what about thirty nine employees in public works? [0:33:27, 0:33:29]: And about twelve on call employees. [0:33:29, 0:33:32]: So I I would like to have seen a presentation [0:33:33, 0:33:47]: uh given to council on showing how we're maximizing what we're doing now versus bringing forward something uh bringing on entities of our own call because if we're maximizing our if we're not able to maximize our resources [0:33:48, 0:33:59]: versus the need, then there may be a need for us to do changes in those areas, but to bring on own call three on call entities to say that that we need this and [0:34:00, 0:34:04]: Well, kinda put put me in an interesting position to approve it. [0:34:04, 0:34:10]: Well, the reason why we're doing the on call landscaping is because we do have the part time staff. [0:34:10, 0:34:15]: But when you're looking for ten people you get two show up. We've been having a issue all year with [0:34:16, 0:34:18]: The temporary staffing levels. [0:34:19, 0:34:31]: So this is you we're not paying for'em unless we use'em. If we run into a a situation where we need the service, we don't have the staff available, then we call them and have them take care of their issue. [0:34:31, 0:34:40]: When like I say, when you come up here on a Monday or Tuesday and I hear guys my guys telling me they've been here for ten, twelve years, this is the worst group attempt. [0:34:40, 0:34:41]: They've ever had. [0:34:41, 0:34:42]: When you [0:34:42, 0:34:47]: You plan your day, you're going out the mall right away and two temporary people show up. [0:34:47, 0:34:48]: jest [0:34:48, 0:34:50]: You and two temporary people trying to [0:34:51, 0:35:00]: do right away maintenance, that gets to be a problem. And then you have counsel calling and say, Well why didn't you cut such and such? Why didn't you c you don't have the resources [0:35:00, 0:35:13]: And this is more valuable than if you went out and tried to hire ten permanent employees and provide them with equipment and all the resources that go along with this. This like I said, this is only gonna be used [0:35:13, 0:35:33]: when it's absolutely necessary. There's no cost associated. If we don't use Big Mo we don't pay him. If we use'em, we know what it costs to cut North Henry, Rockforer and all the every road in the city of Stockbridge. But if it's an emergency situation or a situation we need to get something done, then we pick up the phone and call him. We're not worried about [0:35:33, 0:35:37]: Whether I got ten temp show up or whether I got three. [0:35:37, 0:35:39]: Because the work still has to be done. [0:35:40, 0:35:43]: Because you say thirty nine people but you you gotta think. [0:35:43, 0:35:48]: Those people are spread out over different divisions. You got storm water, you got water, you got wastewater. [0:35:48, 0:35:49]: You got part. [0:35:49, 0:35:54]: You got buildings and facilities. So in actuality in the public works [0:35:54, 0:35:56]: Porsin is the bowel. [0:35:57, 0:35:58]: Twelve guys. [0:35:59, 0:36:04]: that'll actually do you know, it's two guys dedicated to the parts every day. [0:36:04, 0:36:06]: Yeah. Well that goes back to my [0:36:07, 0:36:11]: original question is that when we talk about identifying areas [0:36:12, 0:36:13]: that we need to [0:36:14, 0:36:16]: uh have attention to [0:36:16, 0:36:19]: Because we can look at potentials. [0:36:20, 0:36:36]: But if the potentials come at a cost, then we need to know what areas right now that would put that could likely put us in those situations because when you're talking about, okay, if we s from where where I'm sitting, I'm looking at thirty nine plus twelve temps fifty one people, but you know where they're located. [0:36:36, 0:36:56]: So if the discussion is to be with us that we don't have enough in this area to to to do certain duties that that are needed, uh and'cause you're talking two different things that we're talking about monies needed for on call versus the quality of people we're getting, then those are the things that we need to know that we need to address [0:36:56, 0:37:02]: uh not only internally but it makes some decisions that you will bring to the council that we we we need to address. [0:37:03, 0:37:23]: If we're talking about the quality of workers. I think we we probably we missing each other. The thing is if my ten temps don't show up, I call Big Mo. Instead of paying those ten employees however it is for the week to do what they do, I pay Big Mo for a day or two to do what they do for that week. So it's a trade [0:37:23, 0:37:25]: [2245.5, 2259.5]: The Timp's gonna do it and we pay them or Big Mo's gonna do it and we pay him. It's not we paying both of them at the same time. It's either or. And the money pretty much comes from the same the same pot because you got that money you [0:37:39, 0:37:43]: Every year you put a hundred and thirty thousand, I think, for temporary staffing. [0:37:43, 0:37:47]: If temporary staffing doesn't show up, that money stays in there. [0:37:47, 0:37:49]: It it doesn't get used but [0:37:49, 0:37:53]: If you got his own call and I can just call him, okay. [0:37:53, 0:37:54]: I had one temp show up. [0:37:55, 0:37:58]: And I know what needs to be done for that day or that week. [0:37:59, 0:38:11]: then I don't have anybody available. It's good to be able to call him and still get the same benefit I would've with the ten. Yeah, but the last dialogue that I I received, I can't speak for other council members, is that when we [0:38:11, 0:38:31]: When we sent out to um have the services a lot of our services, uh even our sanitation services contracted is that we would have at least four employees that would be going out and that would make things easier for t for the right of ways to be uh done. I'm just saying th that we thought we was moving. I thought I'm [0:38:31, 0:38:36]: I guess I'm sorry, we I thought we were moving in the right directions and now we're talking about [0:38:36, 0:38:56]: on call uh potentially on call companies that could potentially cost us more money when we thought that I in my opinion I thought that we had uh sufficient employees enough to do what we need to have done. But they're not gonna cost us more money. Either you're gonna use Big Mo and his crew, say he say he'd do North Henry for [0:38:56, 0:39:00]: six hundred dollars that's not the right cost. But if I got [0:39:00, 0:39:05]: ten guys out there, the tenth guys and they're doing it and it costs twelve hundred dollars. [0:39:05, 0:39:20]: You know,'cause what you're paying those guys versus what I'm paying Dick Mo, I think it's a good trade off if the if the ten don't show up. We just wanna have something available. We've been having a big issue with happy faces and Habaka all [0:39:20, 0:39:21]: All year. [0:39:22, 0:39:28]: And so we just wanna have something available if we don't have that resource to still get the job done. [0:39:29, 0:39:30]: Any other questions? [0:39:30, 0:39:37]: Yes, m Mr. Thank you for um being very patient with us. Uh in terms of the overall [0:39:38, 0:39:48]: appearance of the city and the effect that it would have potentially on Highway one hundred thirty eight and other areas that we'd have trouble with previously. [0:39:49, 0:40:09]: Would this help us take us in the right direction in order to uh impact that and overall uh the the direction that we're going in, the quality of these staff members of of these uh big mo services, do you think they will be improved over the season? [0:40:09, 0:40:29]: I'm not saying they're not performing. What I'm saying is they don't show up on a regular basis this year. That's part of performing. If say rock for we've had a lot of rain this year. If you want to cut weekly, we don't have the resources or staff available, but we have [0:40:29, 0:40:32]: have a on call person we can call and say, Hey, for the month of [0:40:33, 0:40:35]: All of us, we want you to cut rock forty every week. [0:40:35, 0:40:37]: Mm-hmm. [0:40:37, 0:40:47]: Okay, but you know it might take us two weeks or three weeks to make it back through that cycle. So if we had somebody that was available to do that, some areas y'all want to cut more frequently. [0:40:48, 0:41:08]: then you call that on call. Well I I'd just like to say that I'm on board with it one hundred percent because what it does is it gives us extra um it gives us extra manpower, it provides us with a back up um back up staffing in case as you say uh we had the issue with staffing and people [0:41:08, 0:41:28]: Showing up. But I would like to follow up on Councilwoman Robinson's case. Yes, right of ways sometimes are right of ways, but I don't see anything wrong with trimming certain right and right of ways. Let's say you got gateway leading into the city like with coming over the bridge on Rock Quarry Road leading into [0:41:28, 0:41:48]: the city, what's wrong? And then uh at our exits, you know you know, we have even when you cut the grass and you have grass growing all into the median and then over the curving, it's still very unattractive. [0:41:47, 0:41:48]: Practice. [0:41:49, 0:41:52]: That that's a part of that as well. That was part of the RFP. [0:41:52, 0:41:57]: Okay, that was part. [0:41:57, 0:41:59]: Any other questions? Mr. Forward. [0:42:00, 0:42:07]: Um the the amount of money set aside for the budget. You said a hundred and thirty thousand, but I don't know if that was for that specific piece of landscaping like that or not. What? [0:42:07, 0:42:11]: I suppose it's in the budget already. But what what is what's the number there? [0:42:11, 0:42:17]: Hundred and thirty thousand was set aside, I think, for the last two or three years for the temporary staff and debt you employ. [0:42:18, 0:42:31]: Well, if we don't have temporary staffing then we're not spending that money. So if the if it's been budgeted and allocated then we still want the service, we still want right of ways maintained. Then instead of paying the temporary [0:42:31, 0:42:34]: Happy faces, staff or the other temporaries [0:42:34, 0:42:38]: people staff, we just pay the on call landscaper to do what those [0:42:39, 0:42:40]: dolls are doing. [0:42:40, 0:42:41]: Okay, fool for thought. [0:42:41, 0:42:47]: I don't know if it's a good concept or not, but everything about hiring full time employees, they don't have to worry about this? [0:42:47, 0:42:51]: Sir you couldn't hire enough people to Do that? [0:42:51, 0:43:00]: To not cost effective, huh? But the liability you assume you gotta provide equipment for'em, you gotta pli provide health insurance and all the benefits, it would be more [0:43:01, 0:43:06]: cost prohibitive than just calling in somebody who already has his own insurance, has his equipment. [0:43:07, 0:43:08]: And all of that, so it [0:43:09, 0:43:11]: It's a cheaper option. [0:43:11, 0:43:16]: That's why I assume the city has the temporary staff'cause you don't have to provide those benefits and [0:43:16, 0:43:24]: And all the other things that come along with part time par I mean permanent employees. Any more questions beco before we call for a motion? [0:43:24, 0:43:26]: No, no. Questions? [0:43:26, 0:43:35]: Uh I'll make a motion if you want to. All right, you want to make the motion? Yes, I make a motion to approve on call landscaping as described by a public works director. [0:43:36, 0:43:39]: Okay, we have a motion and we have a second. Is there further discussion? [0:43:40, 0:43:42]: No discussion, all in favour. [0:43:43, 0:43:44]: Thank you very much. [0:43:45, 0:43:46]: [2627.2, 2633.0]: I'm recusing myself right now from even voting'cause I I just need more information so it doesn't matter anyway. [0:43:55, 0:43:57]: Okay, let's move on to item four. [0:44:02, 0:44:16]: Item four is similar to item three is on call, water and sewer, you know, maintenance and and issues of that sort. We have a limited staff here, we have limited equipment and things of that nature. So if we had an emergency [0:44:17, 0:44:27]: that we needed somebody to come in and help us there if uh the water main that went on the North Henry went out is in a case and we don't have the equipment to dig down to it or repair it and replace it. [0:44:27, 0:44:30]: we would be able to call the uh site and [0:44:31, 0:44:38]: and call them in and have them repair it for us. We know what the price would be and it it would just help us out in time of need. [0:44:41, 0:44:42]: [2682.4, 2687.8]: This one before we go forward. Okay, so what's the budget for this one? [0:44:48, 0:44:51]: So that would come out of our operations budget. [0:44:51, 0:45:06]: that we currently have and and if it was something that was splosed in nature it would it would come out of the sploss funding. But like I said, this is just to have something in case that say if the winter this year it gets real cold, you have a m major [0:45:07, 0:45:10]: re water line repair you gotta make. [0:45:10, 0:45:15]: And you don't have that expertise on hand or the equipment on hand to do that repair. [0:45:15, 0:45:29]: It would be nice to have somebody that you've already negotiated what the cost would be then to have to call somebody and you're at their mercy because you need that leak fix right then. But do you know what the actual budget m I don't know off the top of my head how much it really is for the year? [0:45:30, 0:45:39]: Like I say, if we don't call'em it would be nothing. And and we don't have any intentions to call'em, but we just wanna have that resource available. [0:45:39, 0:45:51]: Well why I say again, do do you have an idea what's set aside? I mean, is it twenty thousand dollars, a hundred thousand dollars set aside? Do you have an idea? If you don't, you don't. I'm just a what's the point. Treasurer, no? [0:45:55, 0:45:57]: No, this is for the on call. [0:45:58, 0:45:58]: Water. [0:45:59, 0:46:00]: Water and so. [0:46:06, 0:46:07]: Okay. [0:46:08, 0:46:10]: But we don't know off the top head how much that is then. [0:46:20, 0:46:24]: Comes out of water and sewer funds, that's correct? Yes, I [0:46:26, 0:46:28]: All right, do we have any more questions? [0:46:28, 0:46:30]: Yes. Okay, Mr. Blount. [0:46:30, 0:46:35]: It it and I'm not trying to give you a hard time this day. [0:46:36, 0:46:38]: Even with that being said, [0:46:39, 0:46:41]: When when the when you look at on call [0:46:43, 0:46:45]: We're not in management in that position. [0:46:46, 0:47:03]: And I'm not and we're not I'm not familiar with the operations that position. So when you're talking on call, I haven't even know what this I don't even know what the stipulations would be to say, hey, it was best to call a on call versus not calling someone over here that could do it but they just aren't avail y [0:47:03, 0:47:10]: No, sir, it wouldn't be like that, especially with water and sewer. We would have exhausted every avenue, every [0:47:11, 0:47:20]: amount of knowledge we have to try to repair and fix the leaks. Some things are just beyond even larger municipalities, some things are just beyond the [0:47:20, 0:47:26]: knowledge and resources that you have available to you. Because if we need a track hole, we don't even have a track hole. [0:47:27, 0:47:33]: You know, if like like I said, a water line that goes on the North Henry is deeper than you can dig with the backhoe. [0:47:34, 0:47:45]: Well that goes back to for me, I wish we ha could have had these discussions prior to now because the questions I would have would go beyond the time that would permit, you know [0:47:46, 0:47:53]: for for me th for the questions I would have pertaining to what we have, what we're doing versus what we're saying we need and what we could do. [0:47:54, 0:47:59]: i it's just a lot of dynamics in it for me that I don't understand and and I would like more understanding of it. [0:47:59, 0:48:12]: You y you see what I'm saying? Yes, I I can I can prepare something for you and send it to you, but like I said, I'm just asking for permission in the event there's a catastrophic event. It would be just like if it's a tornado came through [0:48:13, 0:48:14]: Stop breeze. [0:48:14, 0:48:19]: We wouldn't sit and debate who how are we gonna go about cleaning and getting the city restored. We [0:48:19, 0:48:21]: We do what we have to do. [0:48:21, 0:48:25]: And we'll pay what the cost would be. But with these we know [0:48:25, 0:48:30]: w what our cost would be if if that catastrophic event happened. [0:48:30, 0:48:31]: Mayor Nell. [0:48:32, 0:48:50]: Yes. Um Mr. Aaron, thank you for your presentation. In regards to these three on call vendors that you're stating, you we basically went through a vending process and you have checked the budget and so these are things just in case we need backup, correct? [0:48:50, 0:49:10]: Um especially in the summertime and when the grass is high. Even now I've seen some areas that if we you know if if if public works is busy and we could use a helping hand and we had money in the budget. So you're stating that we do have money allocated for these projects and we've hired tents and we've done things in the past. You have now very [0:49:10, 0:49:23]: edit specific vendors that you want us to approve for own call purposes, is that correct? Yes ma'am, like I said, it's not we're gonna use them all the time. They'll be like a part of the city, it's just when we need'em we'll need'em, we'll give'em a call. [0:49:23, 0:49:29]: Thank you. No. Mayor Neal. We're Okay, question? I just want to make a motion. [0:49:29, 0:49:30]: To approve. [0:49:30, 0:49:38]: Okay, you make a motion to approve number four. Is that correct? Yes, ma'am. Okay? I second. Do it here. Okay, we have a motion and a second. [0:49:38, 0:49:40]: Uh any further discussion? [0:49:40, 0:49:43]: If not, all in favor, please raise your hand. [0:49:45, 0:49:49]: Okay, thank you. Blount your vote. Abstain. Okay, thank you. [0:49:52, 0:49:58]: Okay, let's move to item five, um, Mr. Aaron, and present that one for us. [0:49:58, 0:50:03]: Yes, ma'am, this is for the on call street repair and it's pretty much the same as the other two. [0:50:03, 0:50:06]: And there are times where potholes [0:50:06, 0:50:10]: We're waiting to try to get asphalt, run down asphalt people and [0:50:10, 0:50:15]: And some and an asphalt plant is not gonna start up to run one ton of asphalt for anybody. [0:50:16, 0:50:22]: But with the on call vendor he might have some resources available to him that are not available to us because he [0:50:23, 0:50:26]: built relationships and partnerships with all the people that might be [0:50:26, 0:50:46]: putting down asphalt and also as far as like sidewalks that need to be repaired and what we try to do is we wait till we get a sufficient amount of concrete to pour before we do it. It might be more advantageous if we had the contract to come in on some instances, you know, because we get busy doing other things that we'll have that resource instead of [0:50:46, 0:51:04]: letting it go three weeks, we might do we could do it in a week or so. But it just wanna have like I said availability to fix potholes and repair sidewalks in the vent we can't get to it in a timely fashion or we can't get the supplies and materials to fix it in a timely fashion. So [0:51:04, 0:51:06]: we'll have this resource available to us. [0:51:08, 0:51:08]: Mayor Nell. [0:51:09, 0:51:11]: Okay. [0:51:13, 0:51:13]: Okay. [0:51:14, 0:51:20]: I would like to move that we approve the own call street maintenance vendor DAF concrete dissected. [0:51:21, 0:51:26]: Okay, we have a motion and a second for n uh item number five under new business. [0:51:26, 0:51:28]: Uh is there any discussion? [0:51:28, 0:51:32]: No discussion. Oh, pardon? I gotta ask. Funding. [0:51:32, 0:51:40]: It'll come from our operations budget, out of the general maintenance budget. I just want to make sure. Just wanna make sure we're thinking about that. Yes. Okay. Thank you. [0:51:41, 0:51:44]: Okay. Um any other discussion? [0:51:46, 0:51:48]: Um then all in favor? [0:51:49, 0:51:51]: Raise your hand. Okay. [0:51:51, 0:51:52]: All right. [0:51:53, 0:51:53]: Thanks. [0:51:55, 0:52:08]: Items three, four and five uh for uncall services have all passed and all of those it was not a matter of amending money into the budget in this case, it was simply a matter of [0:52:08, 0:52:09]: Uh [0:52:09, 0:52:11]: um getting approval to [0:52:12, 0:52:15]: use the money for these services. So we thank you. [0:52:15, 0:52:20]: Just reallocating some funds in some areas instead of paying this vendor to pay it with another vendor. [0:52:21, 0:52:24]: I thank you very much, Madam Mr. All right, thank you, Mr Aaron. [0:52:24, 0:52:33]: Um that is the end of our agenda really for the evening. Um at this time I'm gonna ask if we have some [0:52:34, 0:52:36]: We have one mile. [0:52:37, 0:52:45]: Oh sorry, we do. We have we amended the budget and I mean the agenda. We do have an item and it's gonna come to us from our uh city attorney. [0:52:46, 0:52:53]: Madam Mayor, if I can just say just um this was a discussion that was done with our um youth advisory com um [0:52:54, 0:53:00]: committee at our meeting the other night. So the attorney is gonna present that and just keep in mind this is something that he [0:53:01, 0:53:04]: We wanted to include all council members if they so desire. [0:53:06, 0:53:10]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Um this is a complete add on. Um [0:53:11, 0:53:13]: It would be a proposed budget amendment. [0:53:13, 0:53:15]: um to uh increased [0:53:16, 0:53:23]: Or to uh reserve ten thousand dollars um to allow for city youth participation as well as mayor and council participation [0:53:24, 0:53:26]: in the National League of Cities [0:53:26, 0:53:27]: Um [0:53:28, 0:53:30]: uh convention coming up in November. [0:53:31, 0:53:42]: Um part of this was discussed at your last retreat. Um very briefly a discussion was made of whether the city wanted to participate as a member of the National League of Cities [0:53:42, 0:53:49]: and whether or not uh the council members might want to participate, but the discussion began because [0:53:50, 0:53:50]: The [0:53:50, 0:54:00]: We budgeted around two thousand dollars for the youth to attend a youth leadership conference in Macon, um but so far this year we haven't heard any information. [0:54:01, 0:54:09]: But we were made aware of the fact that the National Eagle Cities conference this year is in Charlotte, it's very close, just a few hours down the road. [0:54:10, 0:54:23]: And so the thought was should we investigate whether or not it would be beneficial to send the kids there instead of making bid? So I was tasked with preparing a budget and I presented the budget to [0:54:23, 0:54:27]: the Youth Council Advisory Committee [0:54:27, 0:54:32]: And they all voted to move forward to make the request to council. [0:54:32, 0:54:37]: Um to see if y'all would agree to set aside additional funds. [0:54:37, 0:54:39]: as a one time only event. [0:54:39, 0:54:42]: The reason we say one time only is that next year [0:54:42, 0:54:48]: It's anticipated well, it's it's not anticipated. It's been announced that the National League of Cities is meeting in California. [0:54:49, 0:54:56]: So of course we would expect the cost to send them to California next year would would be cost prohibitive. So since it's so close [0:54:56, 0:55:00]: We investigated the costs and you have on this sheet a uh [0:55:01, 0:55:03]: a breakdown of what the cost would be [0:55:04, 0:55:06]: And so the total amount would [0:55:07, 0:55:12]: would be at r seventy eight hundred dollars and forty or seven thousand eight hundred and forty dollars. [0:55:13, 0:55:18]: You already budgeted two thousand for the Make and Bib conference, so if you d you took that out [0:55:18, 0:55:23]: the Youth Council Advisory Committee would only be asking for fifty eight hundred dollars more. [0:55:24, 0:55:26]: As you can see down at the bottom [0:55:26, 0:55:27]: Um [0:55:27, 0:55:30]: it suggested that you all may want to consider [0:55:30, 0:55:37]: a budget amendment of ten thousand which would the additional amount would cover the dues for the city to be a member of the National League of Cities. [0:55:38, 0:55:44]: as well as provide an additional amount for members of council should you decide to go to that conference. [0:55:45, 0:55:50]: there would be additional money available to cover that incremental cost because we don't believe it's been budgeted [0:55:51, 0:55:58]: So that's what you have. Um you have the budget amendment. Um just so you know a little bit more about what the youth would be doing [0:55:58, 0:56:03]: Um there's a schedule that's been prepared by the National League of Cities staff. [0:56:03, 0:56:04]: Uh [0:56:05, 0:56:09]: They would have activities all day on Thursday and Friday. [0:56:09, 0:56:13]: Let me back up the the conferences for November sixteenth through [0:56:14, 0:56:30]: Saturday, November eighteenth. So it's a three day conference uh as opposed to a day and a half conference that make and bid would be. So that's why there's the additional expense. Um but they would have functions on Thursday, all day Friday, and then a half day [0:56:31, 0:56:37]: on Saturday culminating in a luncheon where the general session, Gabby Giffords and her husband would be [0:56:38, 0:56:41]: giving the keynote remarks for the kids, so [0:56:42, 0:56:45]: The uh Youth Council Advisory Committee uh liked it a lot. [0:56:46, 0:56:47]: Um and they are [0:56:47, 0:56:50]: uh encouraging you all to [0:56:50, 0:56:51]: hopefully support this. [0:56:52, 0:56:52]: Um [0:56:53, 0:56:57]: So we're asking for this now so that they can plan [0:56:57, 0:57:00]: And make the necessary arrangements. [0:57:00, 0:57:02]: Um but they also intend to seek [0:57:02, 0:57:03]: Uh [0:57:03, 0:57:19]: sponsorships for this. So we're asking for the full amount just in case we don't get all the sponsorships we need, but hopefully the actual cost would be defrayed by sponsorships we can get from local organizations. So that's the presentation there. [0:57:21, 0:57:23]: Uh we have a question by Mr. Blount. [0:57:24, 0:57:27]: Um we just had a uh retreat [0:57:27, 0:57:30]: finance reach on our finances and it was [0:57:31, 0:57:35]: it wasn't totally discussed on the total amount. [0:57:35, 0:57:36]: That this would be [0:57:37, 0:57:38]: And [0:57:38, 0:57:44]: Well n my understanding there's a little over six thousand dollars still left in the budget that we approved for this year. [0:57:45, 0:57:48]: And we disapproved eighteen thousand for next year. [0:57:49, 0:57:49]: Yes, sir. [0:57:49, 0:57:54]: So asking for you asking for an extra ten thousand dollars for this trip? [0:57:55, 0:57:56]: And when we [0:57:57, 0:58:02]: The problem I have because even I when I asked, just like you mentioned sponsorships. [0:58:03, 0:58:07]: Um I think other cities do sponsorship. They even have parents participate. [0:58:08, 0:58:09]: Um [0:58:10, 0:58:14]: I think that as far as far as I'm concerned, only um one vote. [0:58:14, 0:58:16]: It passes, it passes. [0:58:16, 0:58:25]: But for as me, my vote is that because w we have a budget for the youth council already. We just started the youth council up. [0:58:26, 0:58:27]: This year. [0:58:27, 0:58:32]: And two so now you're talking about a budget that's going to twenty thousand this year. [0:58:32, 0:58:34]: And then a eighteen thousand next year. [0:58:36, 0:58:38]: Because of additional ten thousand dollars. [0:58:39, 0:58:41]: I think I I [0:58:43, 0:58:50]: That that that's fair and I I just want to clarify it. For the youth portion of this amendment it's only an additional fifty eight hundred. [0:58:50, 0:58:55]: I know it's a lot of money still, but that's the amount for the youth. The remainder would be for [0:58:55, 0:58:57]: the entire city and the council. [0:58:58, 0:59:01]: Are you coming asking for ten thousand dollars? [0:59:01, 0:59:02]: For the entire [0:59:02, 0:59:09]: package which's w I'm looking I'm not looking at what you're gonna do with it, but you're asking for ten thousand d additional dollars. [0:59:10, 0:59:24]: That's how that's what I look at as a whole when it comes to what we're doing. How you d d disseminate it, that's different. But you're asking for an additional ten thousand dollars higher than the budget that we just approved for next year. [0:59:24, 0:59:42]: You are correct. Uh Mayor, if I can add to that, I think um with the fifty eight hundred dollars what I'm getting from Councilman Blount is, you know, we wanted to do a courtesy to the other council, so if we n we could just go back down to the fifty eight and just leave it with the youth and the um [0:59:43, 1:00:03]: the volunteers then we'll be at the fifty eight hundred dollars, correct? And that won't include the council opportunity to go, correct? Correct. Okay. So that will be fifty eight hundred dollars. And also you're saying even with the fifty eight hundred dollars, we're asking to put that in, but we if we get sponsorship, then we won't have to use that money. So it's just the a cushion [1:00:03, 1:00:09]: if we so needed it. Correct? Okay. Um [1:00:10, 1:00:21]: Okay. Any um do I hear a motion to go forward? Manil, real quick, I have a question. Um have a couple of questions. Ms. Gantt. Okay. In in line item C [1:00:22, 1:00:22]: And [1:00:23, 1:00:25]: I know this is a discussion for tonight, so I [1:00:26, 1:00:28]: I'm not prepared to vote tonight on this. [1:00:29, 1:00:36]: But online item um in the no footnotes it says the fee and cost for a few council members to attend. [1:00:36, 1:00:39]: It doesn't say the entire council would attend and it [1:00:39, 1:00:40]: And then [1:00:40, 1:00:42]: And if you look at NLC member dues. [1:00:43, 1:00:44]: Is that per [1:00:45, 1:01:05]: Person or is that total for all six of us? That's the total for and council. For the city as an entity to be a member of the National League of Cities. Okay. And then the four sixty is for per uh elected official. So that would be about two thousand seven hundred and sixty dollars plus the five thousand eight forty [1:01:04, 1:01:08]: would be a total of ten thousand four sixty one. [1:01:08, 1:01:18]: That's if every if every everyone participated in and went to Okay. And I I in in regards to the National League of Cities, um [1:01:20, 1:01:40]: And I'm I wanna do a little bit more research on that, but uh for Mayor's Day, are the is the youth council going to the Mayor's Day? I know they normally and that that's not a significant expense. That's mainly the transportation to get down there and you know, so that's not a lot. Yeah, I'm just asking because I want to make sure I know you guys are talking [1:01:40, 1:01:50]: about making and I wanted to make sure I know that the youth normally you know, the other I see youth groups come to Mayor's Day, so that's why I was asking. All right. Thank you. [1:01:50, 1:02:10]: And just to add Mr. Pullworth. Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate it. Um the dues once again, one thousand eight hundred and sixty one dollars. Is that a annual? Is that one time payment or is it that's annual based on the size of the city? City, okay. That's what I thought. Okay. And make and bid, uh we know that they're just cancelled it all together or they just don't they didn't respond or what? [1:02:10, 1:02:26]: They have not given us any information. Um they've had it for the last three years and this would be the fourth year and we we've been w waiting information so we could sign up and get hotel accommodation, all that and we've heard nothing. And I'm assuming you reached out to'em and say, Hey, what's going on? and [1:02:27, 1:02:33]: And whatnot, huh? And they and they told you just nothing. They just like [1:02:34, 1:02:34]: Okay. [1:02:34, 1:02:35]: Thank you. [1:02:35, 1:02:39]: Okay. If there are no more questions, do I hear a motion? [1:02:41, 1:02:43]: This is discussion. [1:02:43, 1:03:03]: Do you want to vote on it now? It was raised as a discussion that the only reason w we're asking you to consider it sooner rather than later is we have to make arrangements. Okay. Let me ask you this. Since you're trying to get info about Macon, would you all like to move this to the next meeting and give them two weeks to figure that out and come back with the final? [1:03:05, 1:03:16]: How's that sound? Is that fair? That's fine with me. Okay. Is everybody okay with that? I am. Okay, you'll come back before put that on the agenda then. All right, thank you very much. [1:03:17, 1:03:17]: Um [1:03:18, 1:03:24]: At this time we're gonna move forward. We as I said, we had a short agenda tonight. Um [1:03:25, 1:03:31]: I'm going to ask our city clerk has any comments that she would like to make before we end the meeting? [1:03:33, 1:03:34]: Yep. Thank you, Mayor Neal. [1:03:35, 1:03:39]: I did want to um let everyone know that we did have [1:03:40, 1:03:43]: the municipal qualifying week last week. [1:03:43, 1:03:46]: for our two thousand seventeen election. [1:03:46, 1:03:54]: And um the election will be held on November seventh. We are scheduled to have a candidate form [1:03:54, 1:04:08]: on Tuesday, October third at the Morrill Manders Conference Center at six thirty. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Um do we have any comments? We'll start with Mr. Alexander from our council members. [1:04:08, 1:04:28]: Yes, I'd like to just tell uh everyone thank you for coming out and enjoy uh uh citizen participation and those of you that tuned in uh online. I just like to say um yesterday was such a great event where we went to the Martin Luther King Junior uh ceremony statue on [1:04:28, 1:04:48]: Unveiling down at the Capitol with the King family, and it was just a great thing uh that we saw uh Miss Reverend Bernice King said, as Dr. King would say, and this is the day the Lord has made, because it was just a little past due that uh that honor was due, Dr. King. [1:04:48, 1:05:08]: King and it was a momentous occasion. We have um you know lineage with the King family right here uh in the city of Stockbridge. It has always been my desire to have some type of um museum or some type of recreation center or art specific. [1:05:08, 1:05:28]: Whatever that may be to be able to honor that King heritage right here in the city of Stockbridge. You know, we just had the DOT announce that the bridge was being named the Martin Luther King Sr. uh bridge uh going over uh Martin Luther King Sr. Trail, the bridge right out here. [1:05:28, 1:05:48]: By City Hall. Do you see the sign that's went up by Bridge by Bridgeview? But it is incumbent upon this council to take that next step to do whatever is necessary to honor the King family legacy right here in Stockbridge by allocating funding to do something proper. So we have an appropriate [1:05:48, 1:06:08]: appropriate tourist attraction here uh in the city of stockbridge honoring daddy king or doctor uh Martin Luther King Senior. I would also like to mention the coming up we're anxiously anticipating the Hispanifest uh Bridge Fest feature in Hispanifest was an outstanding event [1:06:08, 1:06:28]: Last year it exceeded all of our wildest expectations. It's September 30th. It is a full event festival, two stages of our full city event honoring the Hist uh the Hispanic community because we really wanted to do more than just hand out a proclamation. [1:06:28, 1:06:48]: During Hispanic Heritage Month, but the uh anticipation and the participation was outstanding. We're expecting a huge crowd this year and we want everybody to come out and continue to fellowship and show that the city of Stockbridge is a inclusive city in lights of what we see uh [1:06:48, 1:06:49]: in America these days. [1:06:51, 1:06:52]: Mr Blanc. [1:06:53, 1:06:56]: I just want to thank everybody for coming out tonight. Um [1:06:57, 1:07:02]: I truly believe and I stand on the premises that um people don't care how much you [1:07:03, 1:07:10]: No as long as they know how much you care. And one of the things that w I want to continue to do and I hope that this city continues to do [1:07:11, 1:07:16]: is to show the citizens in this community how much we care and continue to strive forward into [1:07:17, 1:07:23]: uh making uh sound decisions not only financially but those decisions that are bringing economic development that would uh [1:07:24, 1:07:38]: not only enhan enhance uh the growth uh economically but engrossed the betterment of the uh citizens uh and and the live ability of each citizen. Um so I just wanna thank everybody for coming out and uh thank you for hanging in here with us. [1:07:39, 1:07:41]: Forward. [1:07:42, 1:07:52]: I want to expound on uh what Councilman Alexander mentioned earlier. I was also at the unveiling of the Martin Luther King Junior statue at the state capitol. [1:07:53, 1:08:13]: And I want to add a little more things that uh uh that I think you need to know. First of all, the statue is on the east side of the state capitol, so otherwise uh Doctor King sees the sun come up each and every day. It also overlooks Liberty Plaza and it's in the and is facing the same direction in which he was raised since he is [1:08:12, 1:08:16]: is Atlanta's own son and Georgia's own son here as well. [1:08:17, 1:08:25]: I also want you to know that he is one of four statutes at the at the state capitol and he's the only one that's a non elected official that is uh [1:08:25, 1:08:30]: that is actually there at the state capital itself. It's a his eight foot statue. It's beautiful. [1:08:30, 1:08:35]: Outstanding and it uh he's wor world renowned as you well know. [1:08:35, 1:08:42]: And I have to admit that I'm I'm really proud to be a member of of his fraternity, Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Incorporated. [1:08:43, 1:08:44]: Yeah. So [1:08:45, 1:08:49]: And a lot of brothers were down there, a lot of diversity. It's just great to see all the everybody present. [1:08:50, 1:08:56]: On that note, thank you citizens for being engaged. Keep the faith with us as we continue to move the city forward. [1:08:56, 1:08:58]: Mr. Knighton, welcome, sir. [1:08:59, 1:09:01]: And uh we're gonna have a lot of fun. [1:09:01, 1:09:03]: Okay. All right. God bless you all. [1:09:04, 1:09:24]: Dan. Yes. Um thank you for your continued prayers, support for attending this meeting this evening. I ask that we pray for Texas. Um it is something that we really need to um you know, it could happen to anyone at any time. I remember we had a flood here in Georgia years ago. [1:09:24, 1:09:44]: And I asked that mayor and council would consider maybe this becoming a drop off site for some of the goods as we've done in the past, um, for other crisis times. I know we did bottle water for Flint, um, but I I think that this is something that we all need to reach out for. It takes a village, it takes a community. [1:09:44, 1:09:53]: Um you may have loved ones there. So I ask that we you know, there's a lot going on and right now Texas needs our support. Um [1:09:54, 1:10:14]: And happy Labor Day. Enjoy your holiday time. Um I thank you again. Uh I'm always available. I'm here. I'm I'm free to listen and any bright ideas and I just wanna say we still have the fruit truck juices going on right now as well. We um have the Falcons, uh cheerleaders, I think [1:10:14, 1:10:26]: coming September twelfth along with the mascot and there are certain things that are are going on still here in our community. Um I love Stockbridge and um I hope you do too. So thank you. [1:10:28, 1:10:43]: Ms. Robinson. Yes, thank you, Mayor. Um again, thank everyone for taking your time to come out this evening to attend the meeting. Um please come back again. We definitely need you here, your support um to see what's going on within our city. [1:10:43, 1:10:47]: Also was in attendance with the Martin Luther King um [1:10:47, 1:10:50]: celebration. It was an awesome celebration. [1:10:50, 1:10:51]: Um [1:10:51, 1:10:58]: failed to mention that the replica was also s presented um for the Martin Luther King Senior Bridge [1:10:58, 1:11:18]: That was um presented also on yesterday at the Capitol um from our senators and our governor. So you'll be able to go on our city webpage to view that. Um that was presented to Bernice King and that soon, I'm not sure if it's placed already or will soon be placed. It's placed already. So um but definitely go on our webpage. [1:11:18, 1:11:22]: to see that presentation that took place. Also, Mr. Knight. [1:11:23, 1:11:31]: We welcome you. Uh we look forward to your service. Uh we have a lot going on in the city of Stockbridge and we know that you're gonna um [1:11:31, 1:11:38]: run with us um to make this city great. Um and we definitely um welcome you um here in our city. [1:11:38, 1:11:58]: And also we had an awesome Henry County intergovernmental retreat. Um that all the city four cities, our commissioners, our chair, it was awesome retreat that we recently had um at the Atlanta Motor Speedway. Um a lot of um s not the majority of us attended. It was a great retreat. It's something that's gonna try [1:11:58, 1:12:01]: try to lead our county and our cities forward. [1:12:02, 1:12:04]: Um the slogan is was stated. [1:12:04, 1:12:05]: Our time is now. [1:12:06, 1:12:07]: And it's up to us. [1:12:07, 1:12:27]: So again, Henry County, our time is now and it's gonna be up to us to move forward. But again, thanks to staff for all that you do. You do an ex excellent job. Appreciate all the hard work and for again for all those that came out, thank you again for your attendance and please you got time to go by the food truck at Clark Park. So please definitely [1:12:27, 1:12:32]: definitely go by there this evening and um and enjoy those um activities. Thank you. [1:12:33, 1:12:53]: Thank you. I have just a couple of important announcements, the remainder of which are on um attached to your agenda for the evening. Be sure to pick up one as you leave. But I would like to remind um anyone here, those listening, that t m uh on August thirtieth, which is tomorrow afternoon at three o'clock. [1:12:53, 1:13:07]: o'clock we will have a uh City Hall deannexation um and negative impact of the proposed City of Eagles Landing Town Hall meeting here in the chamber tomorrow afternoon at three o'clock. [1:13:08, 1:13:28]: So anyone that would like to learn more about the proposed City of Eagles Landing and the City's um opposition position, our talking points and everything uh about what we're doing to uh stop that process from moving forward will be here tomorrow afternoon at three o'clock. We had all of our [1:13:28, 1:13:39]: our evening meetings except this one which will be at three o'clock for those that either work in the evening or give opportunity to those that might not drive in the evening. [1:13:39, 1:13:41]: Also um [1:13:42, 1:14:02]: I want to remind those that are listening that um on the thirty first uh East Atlanta Road closure from Love Street to North Henry Boulevard, that will be from seven AM in the morning until seven a uh seven PM in the evening. And that will be to a sh I think uh actu [1:14:02, 1:14:22]: Actually that's gonna be seven AM on the thirty first for a full twenty-four hours. So anyone that needs to come up, East Atlanta, please remember that. Also, we have a one hundred thirty-eight overlay guidelines public hearing on Tuesday, September fifth, the day after Labor Day, here at City Hall at C. [1:14:21, 1:14:23]: Six thirty. [1:14:23, 1:14:40]: And we have a special called meeting of the council on Thursday the seventh, and that is the night that we're officially voting to have Mr. Knighton join us. So um those are very important dates. The rest of'em are on your agenda to take home with you. [1:14:41, 1:14:45]: Uh Mr. Attorney, do we need an executive session? [1:14:46, 1:14:48]: Litigation real estate. [1:14:49, 1:14:58]: Okay, do I hear a motion for personnel uh litigation and real estate? Mayor Nell, I move that we go into the executive session for personnel, litigation and real estate. [1:14:59, 1:15:03]: Okay. Um we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? [1:15:04, 1:15:05]: Second. [1:15:05, 1:15:08]: Uh if there's no discussion, all in favor. [1:15:08, 1:15:17]: Okay, thank you so much. We will adjourn to the executive session room and for those who would like to wait, you may wait outside and we'll be back shortly. [1:15:23, 1:15:24]: Camilla. [1:15:25, 1:15:34]: The comprehensive it's c code, right? I'm the reservoir kid. We go from one string to the other. Okay. For the comprehensive plan. [1:15:34, 1:15:39]: Comprehensive plan. I know we're regenerating that, but what we have on the right. [1:15:41, 1:15:45]: Uh it's actually it's on the s it's on the city website, the city of South. [1:15:50, 1:16:05]: [4565.0, 4585.0]: [1:16:25, 1:16:30]: Okay, uh [1:16:30, 1:16:50]: Quite a festival it was. Oh yeah, and we thought this whole area next to Side Street all the way uh to downtown across the tracks, the whole area is closed down. [1:16:50, 1:16:51]: [4614.2, 4626.3]: Uh we have R and Bell Pop going in there. We had a mariachi band last year. [1:17:07, 1:17:08]: I can't. [1:17:25, 1:17:32]: [4655.0, 4665.0]: [1:17:45, 1:18:00]: [4690.0, 4700.0]: [1:18:20, 1:18:32]: [4730.0, 4733.5]: [1:19:00, 1:19:20]: [4760.0, 4774.7]: Yeah, good. [1:19:40, 1:20:00]: You see? [1:20:45, 1:20:59]: [4860.4, 4872.3]: Yeah, that's fine. Right. That's right. [1:21:25, 1:21:39]: No [1:21:58, 1:22:03]: Okay. [1:22:29, 1:22:32]: Oh [1:23:04, 1:23:15]: You know when we had a four. [1:23:25, 1:23:28]: Well they have that. [1:23:29, 1:23:34]: Um very bad but [1:23:41, 1:23:45]: [5042.1, 5049.1]: [1:24:28, 1:24:37]: Yeah, I don't want to. [1:24:39, 1:24:41]: Oh yeah, yeah. [1:24:50, 1:24:57]: [5130.0, 5130.2]: [1:25:32, 1:25:35]: Oh yeah, I think. [1:25:36, 1:25:38]: [5139.4, 5142.5]: Yeah, uh [1:26:00, 1:26:04]: Basically. [1:26:09, 1:26:13]: But [1:26:21, 1:26:25]: Okay. [1:26:31, 1:26:34]: Oh. [1:26:35, 1:26:55]: I don't know. [1:26:59, 1:27:10]: Okay, well how do you find out the game? [1:27:20, 1:27:21]: Yeah. [1:27:25, 1:27:26]: [5248.6, 5250.0]: Well, [1:27:33, 1:27:53]: [5273.8, 5287.5]: I don't know what I've got. [1:28:08, 1:28:10]: Oh yeah. [1:28:15, 1:28:23]: [5304.4, 5315.2]: [1:28:37, 1:28:40]: [5320.0, 5340.0]: I think it's a water uh actually don't have to use that easy if we have a both there. [1:29:00, 1:29:00]: Yeah. [1:29:04, 1:29:24]: [5364.9, 5382.7]: So I would say you must be on the four. I think it's more [1:29:43, 1:30:03]: Yeah, okay. [1:30:03, 1:30:08]: Yeah. [1:30:12, 1:30:20]: [5420.8, 5427.2]: That's the half. But is that the one that's out of time? [1:30:55, 1:31:14]: Yep, yes, I think it's going to have to have a [1:31:33, 1:31:53]: [5513.1, 5514.7]: [1:31:55, 1:32:08]: Yeah, so uh seems like that to be on the very [1:32:08, 1:32:19]: Okay, I'll let you okay. I think that's the last two. I think that would have been all [1:32:31, 1:32:47]: And we have a season. But it's a little bit. [1:32:48, 1:33:08]: Oh yeah, yeah. [1:33:08, 1:33:25]: [5607.1, 5616.8]: Well I can start the first one if you want to look at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [1:34:00, 1:34:19]: Yeah. [1:34:19, 1:34:25]: Probably not often the idea. [1:34:25, 1:34:35]: [5676.8, 5687.0]: I could be after the point. [1:34:51, 1:34:57]: [5698.1, 5710.0]: [1:35:26, 1:35:29]: Well, [1:35:45, 1:35:45]: [5748.0, 5750.0]: [1:35:51, 1:35:54]: Yeah. [1:35:57, 1:36:02]: Yeah, it's quite a whole [1:36:05, 1:36:11]: [5773.4, 5775.4]: But yeah, [1:36:18, 1:36:29]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [1:36:31, 1:36:36]: [5806.1, 5816.4]: Okay, I'm just saying. Oh I think it's hard to have a problem. [1:36:58, 1:37:00]: [5834.8, 5836.9]: Oh my god, okay. [1:37:19, 1:37:27]: Yeah, I think that I can [1:37:28, 1:37:34]: Well we can do that. [1:37:40, 1:37:45]: [5867.8, 5887.8]: [1:38:07, 1:38:10]: [5915.2, 5922.7]: [1:38:45, 1:38:51]: I would take the whole part of this one. [1:39:00, 1:39:02]: [5944.4, 5964.4]: Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah. Okay, well I mean I guess. Yeah. Yeah, you have to work. Okay. [1:39:24, 1:39:25]: Yeah, [1:39:35, 1:39:42]: Oh that's the one. I do not get out of here. [1:39:56, 1:40:05]: [6007.6, 6016.9]: Yeah, oh yeah, well. [1:40:20, 1:40:23]: I don't know how to go here. [1:40:24, 1:40:44]: [6044.2, 6055.0]: Right. [1:41:00, 1:41:03]: I'm not even going to do it. [1:41:05, 1:41:20]: And then you have no things and that probably allows you to have a problem. [1:41:20, 1:41:35]: I go on the other. [1:41:40, 1:41:58]: Oh sorry, I don't know. [1:41:59, 1:42:19]: I see the trail through uh that's right here. [1:42:19, 1:42:21]: Well, [1:42:24, 1:42:25]: [6150.0, 6151.7]: [1:42:32, 1:42:35]: Uh [1:42:36, 1:42:56]: So so just we are I don't have a lot of that [1:42:56, 1:43:08]: Yeah, you have to come back to one. [1:43:08, 1:43:18]: I think I will get the list of the very important. [1:43:25, 1:43:45]: [6225.3, 6240.8]: [1:44:07, 1:44:13]: Yeah, right. [1:44:14, 1:44:23]: [6264.3, 6266.2]: But [1:44:26, 1:44:35]: Oh yeah, I don't think it's not even after that to put that out and reaction. [1:44:39, 1:44:42]: But I don't know. [1:44:46, 1:45:06]: [6306.0, 6310.8]: [1:45:17, 1:45:19]: Yeah. [1:45:34, 1:45:38]: [6339.5, 6345.0]: Yeah, yeah. [1:46:23, 1:46:23]: Yeah. [1:46:30, 1:46:33]: That's how we start. [1:46:59, 1:47:02]: [6422.8, 6427.7]: [1:47:46, 1:47:50]: I don't know if you can. [1:48:48, 1:48:51]: Yeah, we have a bad thing. [1:49:07, 1:49:15]: Um [1:49:25, 1:49:26]: [6575.0, 6584.3]: [1:49:48, 1:50:00]: I don't know why I'm really like. [1:50:01, 1:50:03]: So [1:50:20, 1:50:22]: [6640.0, 6645.6]: [1:50:51, 1:50:56]: [6658.0, 6661.4]: But you don't have any. [1:51:15, 1:51:16]: Yeah. [1:51:20, 1:51:22]: Okay. [1:51:27, 1:51:35]: [6697.0, 6715.0]: [1:51:55, 1:52:05]: Oh yeah. [1:52:15, 1:52:19]: [6740.2, 6742.5]: Um [1:52:23, 1:52:30]: [6752.3, 6765.0]: [1:52:53, 1:52:57]: Yeah. [1:53:02, 1:53:05]: Yeah. [1:53:15, 1:53:21]: [6803.8, 6807.3]: [1:53:29, 1:53:32]: Uh yeah. [1:53:34, 1:53:37]: So I can have it. [1:54:07, 1:54:11]: Oh [1:55:25, 1:55:27]: How do you know? [1:56:40, 1:56:41]: You're hoping. [2:00:05, 2:00:07]: Uh [2:00:14, 2:00:18]: And the onderwege. [2:00:20, 2:00:27]: I'm not sure. Right in front of it. It's like the same side of the screen on the other side of the park. [2:00:31, 2:00:34]: [7252.3, 7255.0]: But [2:01:00, 2:01:02]: Oh. [2:01:06, 2:01:22]: Uh oh. We can't move the way it's not. [2:01:58, 2:02:03]: [7345.4, 7350.6]: [2:02:45, 2:02:59]: Oh waiting oh [2:03:00, 2:03:07]: The world back it up. Back it up. [2:03:09, 2:03:11]: [7543.6, 7545.0]: That's a lot of you know. [2:25:20, 2:25:21]: [8975.0, 8975.3]: Yeah. [2:29:36, 2:29:39]: Right, thank you for [2:45:56, 2:45:59]: Oh my god. [2:46:07, 2:46:09]: [9971.3, 9972.1]: [2:46:13, 2:46:14]: Got to [2:46:22, 2:46:24]: Okay. [2:46:26, 2:46:28]: Vanessa to come right there. [2:46:29, 2:46:30]: Oh [2:46:33, 2:46:37]: Oh and I'm not complaining. But it is cold. [2:46:39, 2:46:40]: We won't complain. [2:46:45, 2:46:46]: Well, isn't it? [2:46:47, 2:46:50]: Well, it's working good. [2:47:01, 2:47:03]: Yeah, do it so. [2:47:16, 2:47:18]: [10045.8, 10047.1]: I'm off. [2:47:50, 2:47:57]: At this time I would like for a motion to uh end executive session. So move. Second. [2:47:57, 2:48:01]: Motion and then we have a second. Is there any discussion? [2:48:03, 2:48:05]: No discussion. All in favor? [2:48:08, 2:48:11]: Now I need a motion to reconvene the meeting. [2:48:12, 2:48:13]: But we'll check it. [2:48:13, 2:48:17]: Okay, we have a motion in a second. Is there any discussion? [2:48:18, 2:48:19]: If not, all in favor. [2:48:20, 2:48:22]: Now I need a motion to go back. [2:48:23, 2:48:24]: End to the meeting. [2:48:25, 2:48:26]: We're back in the meeting. [2:48:27, 2:48:35]: General wheel. No, we're we're already back in it. I I just overstated. Uh we have one motion I think that's coming forth. [2:48:36, 2:48:38]: It's gonna be stated for us by our attorney. [2:48:40, 2:48:49]: Um Madam Mayor, this is a motion relative to the Jodeco Road Development. Uh a motion would be in order to approve the development agreement. [2:48:50, 2:49:04]: buying between the estate of Guay El Chin and the Marital Trust trustee Yi Chin, developer in the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, with changes as directed to the city attorney relative to deannexation. [2:49:05, 2:49:08]: Do I hear a motion? Yes, as so moved. Second. [2:49:10, 2:49:10]: Mm. [2:49:11, 2:49:13]: I hear a motion and a second. [2:49:13, 2:49:14]: Any discussion? [2:49:17, 2:49:27]: Mr Blount. [2:49:29, 2:49:31]: Okay. Any other discussion? [2:49:32, 2:49:33]: If not, all in favor. [2:49:35, 2:49:40]: All right, thank you. Are there any other orders of business before we leave? [2:49:40, 2:49:42]: Do I hear a motion to adjourn? [2:49:43, 2:49:46]: Second. [2:49:47, 2:49:48]: Any discussion? [2:49:48, 2:49:49]: To know. [2:49:49, 2:49:53]: If not, we are adjourned with your vote. Thank you. [2:49:54, 2:49:56]: Good night. [2:49:58, 2:49:58]: Uh huh.

--- title: August 14 2017 City Council Meeting date: 2017-08-14 source: 2017-08-14_August_14_2017_City_Council_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:14, 0:00:17]: Yeah. [0:00:33, 0:00:53]: [ 53.5, 55.2]: All right. [0:02:00, 0:02:05]: [125.8, 145.8]: [0:02:25, 0:02:40]: Okay, so [0:02:50, 0:02:55]: Yeah, but I know I'm very small. [0:03:05, 0:03:06]: [189.4, 191.2]: Yeah, it's a [0:03:11, 0:03:25]: [209.0, 215.0]: [0:04:20, 0:04:40]: Yeah, I'm pretty good at the place that I don't know the thing, I don't know. [0:04:39, 0:04:44]: [288.2, 303.6]: Right. [0:05:10, 0:05:26]: [350.0, 360.0]: [0:06:00, 0:06:20]: I I'm not in the leadership to me. I think that because it's such a relatively small community, community would be uh my favorite. I'm only a curry so but no, I mean I you know I have some details to put it on. It's a good idea. [0:06:20, 0:06:40]: [415.0, 422.3]: Yeah, that was around and [0:07:05, 0:07:15]: I'm gonna be a little bit of um. [0:07:32, 0:07:37]: [465.0, 471.2]: Yeah. [0:07:52, 0:07:55]: No, right. [0:08:19, 0:08:21]: Yeah, yeah. [0:08:40, 0:08:53]: And we get some tax and we'd like to get every file down and we get there. Um we should know where to get that. [0:09:01, 0:09:21]: Yeah, I think it's not that we got [0:09:21, 0:09:24]: Yeah. [0:09:35, 0:09:45]: [604.1, 607.0]: No, they can still they g still got time to get it in. [0:10:29, 0:10:30]: Yeah. [0:10:47, 0:11:07]: We would like to at this time ask everyone to take their seat. We sincerely apologize for the heat. Uh we have had serious air conditioning problems that have gone on for several days, but we have been told without fail it will be repaired on Wednesday. So all I can do is say how sorry I am. [0:11:07, 0:11:27]: M and we're going to try to to get most of the meeting um moving very fast. At this point, um I would like to call to the uh podium here um Abdul Khan of the Islamic Society of South Atlanta and Mr. Edward Mitchell. [0:11:27, 0:11:38]: to come forth and they are going to present for us this evening our invocation. If you would all stand and then following the invocation we'll have the pledge to the American flag. [0:11:40, 0:12:00]: Good evening, Mayor Neal, members of the City Council. On behalf of the Islamic Society of Stockbridge, we thank you for inviting us to speak. We commend you on all the great work you're doing and we um and we wish the best for you going forward. I'm going to uh welcome a young member of the community to recite the prayer that Muslims recite every day in Arabic and then I'll translate it for you into [0:12:00, 0:12:00]: [723.5, 729.8]: Good evening. My name is Usman Khan. Uh I graduated from Eagles Landing High School. I'll be attending Mercer in the fall. [0:12:10, 0:12:12]: So let's uh sorry, so [0:12:14, 0:12:18]: Bismillahi Rahmanir Rahim [0:12:19, 0:12:39]: Alhamdulillahi Rabbilamine Ar Rahmari Rahim Malikiya Umidin Ia kanabudu ia canastaen Ihdinasriwat al Mustapeen. [0:12:38, 0:12:53]: Sirot Aladina Anantalayim Raidil Mahudu Bialehim Wana Dimen. [0:12:55, 0:12:57]: The translation of the prayer is as follows. [0:12:58, 0:13:07]: In the name of God, the most compassionate, the most merciful, all praise and thanks belong to God, the Lord of the worlds, the most compassionate, the most merciful. [0:13:08, 0:13:09]: Master of the Day of Judgment. [0:13:09, 0:13:12]: You alone we worship and you alone we ask for help. [0:13:13, 0:13:20]: Guide us to the straight path, the path of those you've bestowed your favour upon, not of those who've earned anger, nor of those who go astray. [0:13:20, 0:13:21]: Amen. [0:13:22, 0:13:25]: Shalom alaikum, asalamu alaikum may peace be upon you. [0:13:28, 0:13:40]: I believe it's a lie of the eyes from there. [0:13:41, 0:13:44]: Pani Przewodnicząca, [0:13:53, 0:13:57]: At this time we'll ask our clerk if she will call the roll. [0:13:58, 0:14:01]: Councilman Alexander present. Councilman Blount. [0:14:02, 0:14:11]: Mayor Neal. Present. Mayor Pro Tem Ford. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. Present. Councilwoman Robinson. Present. Mayor Neil, you have a quorum. [0:14:14, 0:14:20]: At this time uh I'm going to ask to amend the evening's budget. [0:14:23, 0:14:29]: do allow for us to go into executive session for real estate [0:14:30, 0:14:32]: And then we have some other [0:14:32, 0:14:33]: Amendments. [0:14:33, 0:14:37]: that Councilman Alexander is going to offer. [0:14:37, 0:14:51]: I meant forward, sorry. He he's my cousin. Okay. All right. Bear with me please. All right. Well I'd like to amend the agenda uh for the executive session for real estate and for that to occur after public comments. [0:14:52, 0:15:05]: The presentation, which is number one, on the twenty twenty census update. Um I'd like to amend the agenda that that be postponed until our work session on the twenty ninth of August. Mr. Curry had uh go out of town on business, so for the twenty ninth of August. [0:15:06, 0:15:11]: I also like to amend a uh for agenda for new business involving these items. [0:15:11, 0:15:18]: Uh number six would be approved the Tyler Software for Code Enforcement, GIS, Business Licensing and Planning. [0:15:19, 0:15:26]: Number seven would be approved the selection of permitting and inspections vendor of Abbott. They won the RFP process. [0:15:28, 0:15:32]: Number eight would be for the Carl Vincent Institute feasibility study for us to [0:15:33, 0:15:34]: Approve that as well. [0:15:35, 0:15:41]: And number nine would deal with the Falcons cheerleaders in a mascot. Four cheerleaders, one mascot for two hours from six to eight. [0:15:42, 0:15:49]: at our Tasty Tuesday event on September twelfth, and I also been informed that that those fundings, that money is actually in the Tasty Tuesday budget. [0:15:50, 0:15:51]: Thank you. [0:15:51, 0:15:57]: Thank you. At this time we have uh a motion to amend. Do I hear a second? Second. [0:15:57, 0:16:01]: We have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? [0:16:02, 0:16:04]: No discussion. All in favor? [0:16:05, 0:16:06]: All in favor? [0:16:07, 0:16:08]: Thank you. [0:16:11, 0:16:25]: Okay, at this time we're going to adopt some minutes of the special call meeting of June twelfth, twenty seventeen, of the council meeting that was held on June twelfth, twenty seventeen. [0:16:25, 0:16:27]: [988.2, 997.2]: uh uh June twenty eighth and a work session meeting on six twenty eighth. Do I hear a motion to approve those minutes? [0:16:39, 0:16:39]: The mood. [0:16:40, 0:16:42]: Do I hear a second? [0:16:43, 0:16:46]: Second. I have a motion and a second on the minutes. [0:16:47, 0:16:48]: Um any discussion? [0:16:49, 0:16:51]: If not, all in favour? [0:16:52, 0:16:53]: Thank you, Council. [0:16:56, 0:17:16]: At this time uh we have three very special people in our audience that I would like to um ask to just stand up and maybe walk up front so they might have a word or two they would like to say. We would like to formally introduce to our community three of our um law enforcement officers who are here this evening. [0:17:16, 0:17:31]: If um the first one I'm gonna introduce is the deputy Henry County Police Chief, Mark Emmerman. And Mark, we're glad to have you. If you have anything you'd like to say or say to us, feel free to come to the microphone. [0:17:37, 0:17:57]: Mayor Neal and uh council just wanna say thank you for the invite and uh to have continued communication with the board. I'm glad we got to have these uh other gentlemen come up here with me. We have made some recent changes in leadership what had a direct effect on the uh law enforcement in Stockbridge with the new precinct commander. [0:17:57, 0:18:14]: along with a uh new uniformed patrol commander. Uh we want to have them come up so they can see who the uh new go to people are here for Stockbridge. So we're excited about the leadership changes and working with Stockbridge to make Stockbridge one of the safest cities in uh Georgia and we're excited about it. [0:18:15, 0:18:16]: Thank you. [0:18:19, 0:18:29]: And I know it's noisy in here, so I'm gonna talk really loud and introduce uh our uh new post commander in Stockbridge, Captain Bolton. [0:18:30, 0:18:31]: [1116.5, 1117.4]: Yeah, very good. [0:18:37, 0:18:39]: [1120.0, 1140.0]: Thank you for having us here tonight. Uh my name is Jason Bolton. I have recently been appointed the captain here out of the Stockbridge Precinct. Of course, uh being on the North End, we pretty much cover everything north of Jodoko Road all the way up to Ellenwood, which of course includes the city of Stockbridge here. Uh just a little bit about myself. I'm a lifelong resident. [0:19:00, 0:19:20]: of Henry County, so I definitely have uh even more than a professional interest in the well being of our county, but a personal interest as well. Grew up here, went to school here. Um I'm excited to be the uh precinct commander up here in Stockbridge and I handed a bunch of my cards out tonight, but anything that I can do for anybody [0:19:19, 0:19:24]: feel free to stop by or give me a call, I'll be happy to help you with. Thank you very much. [0:19:28, 0:19:35]: Also I would like to introduce to you the new major who is up in our community, Chuck Simmons. [0:19:40, 0:19:41]: [1181.9, 1201.9]: Uh yes, Jason Bolton, you you have a great captain there. He he's a he's a good not only a good officer but a good leader and he will do you a good job up here. Uh and uh good or bad, you're gonna see more of me of me up here as well. Uh I wanna be a part of this, I want to be a part of uh Jason's uh uh team up here. So you'll you'll definitely start seeing me [0:20:01, 0:20:07]: anymore in in some of your uh meetings and so forth like that. We have a great police department. [0:20:07, 0:20:26]: But a great police department can't do anything without the community help. It's gotta be combined effort. Uh I mean we can get so far, but I promise you without community we're not gonna make a real impact without doing that. So I think you're gonna see more of that. I think you've already seen the beginnings of that and I want that to continue. So thank you very much. Thank you so much. [0:20:31, 0:20:51]: Law enforcement officers are in the room. I would like to also say thanks to all of the law enforcement officers who come and help us with our meetings, and that we are all working together, and so we really want all of uh us to be uh have the backs of our law. [0:20:51, 0:21:09]: law enforcement and we want to be a community that they don't even uh have to come out. But occasionally they get called out but we want to be the best people we can be in Stockbridge so that our c uh police officers can brag on us too. So thank you so much for all you do to help us. [0:21:14, 0:21:22]: At at this time we're gonna move forward and I'm gonna ask our clerk if we have any uh comments, any [0:21:22, 0:21:26]: Public comments anyone would like to make. [0:21:29, 0:21:30]: Eldred Reed. [0:21:40, 0:21:44]: Meldred, if you could uh speak loudly. Yes. [0:21:45, 0:21:47]: My name is Mildred Reed. Can you hear me? [0:21:47, 0:21:55]: Five thirty Creek View Overlook. I'm here for two c a quite one question and one comment. The question is directed to the mayor. [0:21:55, 0:22:03]: Uh have you assigned an RFP for the Carame Hambrick Cultural? I'm not expecting you to answer it. [0:22:03, 0:22:05]: And just ask him a question for the record. [0:22:06, 0:22:26]: uh so that we can receive a proposal. The next comment would be uh as a board member of the Downtown Development Authority and on the Main Street, I highly recommend and support the RSVP memorandum of understanding that's going to be presented a little later on by Kira Harris. [0:22:26, 0:22:28]: Rags. Thank you. Thank you. [0:22:29, 0:22:49]: Do we have other speakers? There are no further comments. No further comments. At this time I'm going to ask for um a motion to go into executive session and I apologize to those of you who will be left here just for a few minutes, but we have something very important uh regarding real estate that we need to [0:22:49, 0:23:06]: to go into executive session about will come out after that and report back to you uh if any motion is made in the meeting. So at this time do I hear a motion for executive session. Mayor make a motion for executive session to discuss real estate. [0:23:06, 0:23:07]: Second. [0:23:10, 0:23:15]: Uh, let me ask our attorney, do we have anything else tonight that we want to [0:23:15, 0:23:28]: uh address an executive session or we're gonna do that later in the evening. Okay, we're gonna do this one thing right now and then we'll come right back out. All right, we have a motion to discuss real estate. Do I hear a second to that motion? [0:23:29, 0:23:36]: Second. Uh Pro Tem Ford. And any discussion? If not, all in favor? [0:23:37, 0:23:44]: Okay. If anyone would like to get up and walk downstairs and uh where it's cool, we will come and get you the moment we come out. [0:23:45, 0:23:49]: You can go back down on one level if you'd like, if you're too high. Thank you. [0:24:10, 0:24:11]: [1453.7, 1457.1]: [0:24:25, 0:24:30]: [1517.3, 1518.2]: Thanks. [0:38:27, 0:38:29]: So [0:38:42, 0:38:51]: [2340.0, 2360.0]: And maybe states have a character. [0:39:30, 0:39:45]: I I'm gonna do it today. Yeah, I'm gonna see that. [0:40:05, 0:40:14]: [2670.0, 2673.0]: [0:46:30, 0:46:33]: Okay. [0:46:34, 0:46:35]: Yeah. [0:46:55, 0:46:57]: [2819.0, 2835.0]: [0:57:45, 0:57:48]: [3515.0, 3516.2]: [1:00:10, 1:00:13]: [3875.0, 3877.9]: [1:04:38, 1:04:40]: [3976.1, 3979.7]: Your next one [1:06:22, 1:06:23]: Okay. [1:06:26, 1:06:27]: Yes sir. [1:06:35, 1:06:40]: I mean there's a [1:07:22, 1:07:27]: Ladies and gentlemen, at this time we are going to ask uh for [1:07:28, 1:07:32]: a motion to end our executive session that we just held. [1:07:32, 1:07:34]: Do I hear a motion? [1:07:35, 1:07:36]: Do I hear a second? A second. [1:07:37, 1:07:38]: Is there any discussion? [1:07:40, 1:07:42]: If not, all in favor. [1:07:45, 1:07:51]: Okay. At this time I'm gonna ask for a motion to reconvene the meeting currently in the chamber. [1:07:51, 1:07:53]: Second, excuse me. So move. [1:07:54, 1:07:56]: Uh do I hear a second? [1:07:57, 1:07:57]: A second. [1:07:58, 1:08:01]: Okay, I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? [1:08:02, 1:08:04]: If not, all in favor. [1:08:05, 1:08:12]: All right. At this time we're going to go um to hear of variants that is being presented. [1:08:12, 1:08:14]: Yes, ma'am. Well, is it on? [1:08:16, 1:08:36]: Going to be presented by our community development director Camilla Moore. Good evening, Mayor, members of council. Staff brings before you tonight a Baron's request for a public hearing. It's VR seventeen ten s that's on the screen. The applicant is D D and Discounts, thirty-one highway [1:08:35, 1:08:55]: 138 West, Stockbridge, Georgia. The agent is Roger Ally, 701 Executive Court, Suite Awoodstock, Georgia. The location is the shopping center on Highway 138 West between North Henry Boulevard and Walter Way. Landlot 71 of the 12th District. Parcel S03-05-001-000. [1:08:55, 1:08:56]: zero zero. [1:08:57, 1:09:17]: What the applicant is requesting tonight is two things in terms of a variance. One, a request for the increase in square footage of the main wall sign for maximum available of one hundred square feet to the requested amount of two hundred eighty-one point one square feet. That was the first request. The second request is for an increase number one [1:09:17, 1:09:35]: wall signs for the allowed amount of one one wall sign by code to two two wall signs. The proposed use is commercial, the current land use is commercial. This particular item went before the um zoning advisory board on the twenty seventh. And here's the follow. [1:09:36, 1:09:46]: This is an aerial of the location of the site. As you know, it is in the Big Lot Plaza, right there in the main shopping center. [1:09:47, 1:10:00]: This is a copy of the zoning map that shows you the parcel of the entire commercial site which has Big Lot, Errands, and this particular post site for DD discount. [1:10:01, 1:10:05]: This is the one hundred square foot sign what [1:10:05, 1:10:09]: was there or initially came in. [1:10:11, 1:10:15]: And this is a two ninety two six square foot sign as they proposed. [1:10:17, 1:10:22]: And this is the site photo. So I want to stay on this particular slide for a moment. [1:10:22, 1:10:42]: Henry County Department of Planning, they recommend denial. And the reason why they recommend denial is that apparently at some point in time, I guess within the last year or so, the City of Stockbridge redid your sign ordinance. So therefore you modified the size of some of your signs. However, what did not take into account is [1:10:42, 1:11:02]: where you have strip plazas with existing signs that are already there. So what do you do in order to make a shopping mall look consistent in terms of the signage? And that's why we wanted you to look at the big lot sign. If we go according to what you did with your signed ordinance [1:11:02, 1:11:22]: This sign will be much smaller than your big lot sign. So therefore when you're riding down the street, your eyes are gonna be a little bit off because you'll see the big lot and you will see the other big signs, but you ask for something smaller. So what the zoning advisory board and what the staff is recommending is that on the first [1:11:22, 1:11:27]: requests we keep them consistent with what's out there. [1:11:27, 1:11:47]: Which is what Big Lot and everyone else has. That's why we gave you that particular uh image there. However, uh both the zoning advisory board and the staff recommend denial on their second request. We don't think they should have any more wall signs that we feel that what is there the one is appropriate. But [1:11:47, 1:12:07]: We did agree in terms of visibility. This is coming up more and more across the city of Stockbridge as these science requests come in. Apparently, we set a precedent, and we are going to have to decide whether or not we're going to be consistent with the precedent or what we're going to do about setting the precedent. And so staff in the zone of [1:12:07, 1:12:27]: Board of Appeal, I mean uh feel um zoning advisory board feels that we just need to be consistent. So therefore both groups are recommending approval of the first one with the following conditions: an increase in the square footage of main wall side from maximum allowable one hundred square feet to the requested amount of two hundred eighty-one square feet, not to increase [1:12:27, 1:12:34]: approach into the decorative building facade, which is attached a photo that we've given you in your packages to [1:12:35, 1:12:55]: That applicant must obtain proper business license from the City of Riverdale Business Services Division. The property and suite must meet our development standards. The business may not extend to occupy a different and a greater area of land, and the plan review process needs to be complied with. Those are the conditions that both the zoning advisory board and our staff. [1:12:54, 1:12:56]: Mm. [1:12:58, 1:13:03]: Oh, I'm so sorry. Sorry, Gridge. It's a real bad habit when you miss the place so long. [1:13:04, 1:13:05]: So [1:13:06, 1:13:11]: Those are recommendations. Any questions of staff before you open it for public comment? [1:13:13, 1:13:14]: Uh yes, ma'am. [1:13:15, 1:13:25]: I w I would simply say this. I mean uh my my initial thought process is I would probably be against both of them because [1:13:25, 1:13:26]: No. [1:13:26, 1:13:29]: And I know my attorney probably gonna chew me up. [1:13:30, 1:13:30]: Ha ha. [1:13:32, 1:13:36]: So let me let me recoil that real quick. But you know [1:13:36, 1:13:41]: I I I prefer the smaller size. Uh uh I really do. [1:13:42, 1:14:02]: Um I probably the big light sign is probably too too large. I wouldn't say that I wanted to go in that direction to up the sign, so I would probably say that the big lot signs is too small. I mean, i if as far as being consistent is concerned, if we set the president as that we're gonna go down to what we [1:14:02, 1:14:06]: We changed the business standard too. Is that isn't that being consistent too? [1:14:07, 1:14:27]: Well I think what most planning departments across the country do, uh Councilman, is that they go with what the logo does. In other words, McDonough and certain companies, some companies can vary in their size. So what we did we actually call headquarters and we call to get a number across the country [1:14:27, 1:14:29]: country and this is their standard sign. [1:14:30, 1:14:34]: And so just like Big Lot is a standard sign in terms of width and district. [1:14:35, 1:14:42]: What I want you to keep in mind is that as you ride down this highway, one hundred thirty eight at forty five miles an hour [1:14:42, 1:14:51]: being able to see them in the plaza is gonna be crucial because we don't want a business and a tenant in there and then they're not successful. [1:14:52, 1:14:56]: So that was one of the things that the commission talked about as well. Mayor. Mayor. [1:14:57, 1:15:00]: Yes, we have a question from Ms. Robinson. [1:15:02, 1:15:22]: I'm looking um'cause you have the Dollar Tree as well. Um so it seems like it's the same size as the big lots. Um I would like for it to be some consistency. Um when you're coming I don't I mean it seems like these look like they're major stores versus when I'm looking at the others. [1:15:22, 1:15:39]: Right. Um so it's like you have the Dollar Tree, the big lots, and then you would have the D Ds um as the major Yeah, your anchors. Right. Anchors. So I would like for it to be consistent. Um so whatever we're gonna decide tonight, I mean coming down, you know [1:15:39, 1:15:57]: one hundred eight, we just need to be consistent with. Right. And let me just add to that, if you go to most of your shopping malls, Macy's, Davison's, your anchors normally have the bigger signage. The same thing applies to your sh strip malls. You're gonna have anchors in there and they normally and traditionally have larger signage. [1:15:58, 1:16:18]: Mayor, one follow up question. In terms of um uh what we're doing here, um in terms of what we're trying to accomplish on the one thirty eight overlay, I mean uh there's no there's no requirements in terms of our zoning in terms of actual colors or anything like [1:16:18, 1:16:38]: like that at this point and then I guess just the word discount in large letters. But there's no um there's no there's nothing in the uh current zoning standards to prevent uh the uh to require neutral colors uh for this and is that in the update. [1:16:38, 1:16:58]: But let me just say this and legal may be able to wear in way in, but normally when you deal with someone's logo, mm-hmm, we don't have the authority to change someone's logo. So this blue what you see is their actual branding and their logo. So while we may be able to change the color of the building and put those to neutral colors, I [1:16:58, 1:17:10]: don't think we have the legal right to tell McDonald that their their artists can't be yellow or that some other logo has to be changed or bleppy's can't be green. Um [1:17:10, 1:17:18]: Okay, a follow up on that is that the I'm not I'm not meaning the logo itself, but around it it's yellow. Is that what the intent is? [1:17:18, 1:17:36]: Well what we gave you in your package that is their logo and I can't remember if there's yellow around it or not. Um but whatever their logo is is what we are doing or allowing. But oh no. That's just gonna be the facade. That's just the facade, I'm sorry. That's just um this document [1:17:38, 1:17:41]: Right. Uh they were just showing let me go back. [1:17:42, 1:17:44]: That particular one was just showing where the sign was gonna go. [1:17:45, 1:17:51]: Talking about that right there. Right. Right. No, they're just showing where the sign was gonna go so that you can see the difference. [1:17:52, 1:17:52]: Mayor. [1:17:53, 1:17:54]: Mm-hmm. [1:17:54, 1:18:00]: Whether yellow is okay. Okay. Okay. So it's not gonna change. No, sir. [1:18:01, 1:18:03]: We have another question by Councilman Blount. [1:18:05, 1:18:08]: My concern is that also that um [1:18:08, 1:18:13]: you know, y we can't change those registered signs. Um [1:18:15, 1:18:21]: But how will we word this and uh when will we get something that we're writing up as a city because [1:18:22, 1:18:24]: We can't change their logo. [1:18:24, 1:18:33]: But in a p in the event that we're given special variances, how do we are we how when are we gonna see something that we can write up that's gonna cover us? [1:18:34, 1:18:54]: from future litigation pertaining to these type of situations that we can say for this particular plaza, let's go with this, but what happens to the plaza down the street,'cause I've been to other cities mm and they've had places like Home Depot and and and whatnot but the but the signage was different. You didn't take their logo away but the signage [1:18:54, 1:19:14]: The th the sign is the sign was yeah. Yeah, the monument sign might have been different, but on the Home Depot building it's a big Home Depot. I haven't seen a Home Depot with the small letterings. What you may see different though is the sign monument along the street. Right. You'll see a smaller monument sign, but traditionally every Home Depot I've ever seen has the big [1:19:13, 1:19:33]: Home Depot on the bill. Let's take a search of JC Pitt and I'm saying what are we putting in place that are putting in place that are gonna cover us. In our overload in our overlay district right now for one hundred eight, we're going to address the signage as it relates to the corridor as [1:19:33, 1:19:53]: as it relates to consistency. So therefore you won't have to have variances once those are adopted. It would address those areas where they're inconsistency and make sure that those anchors that when space becomes available that consistency stays based on the visual character of that strip mall. [1:19:53, 1:19:59]: Is that something that's coming pretty quick because once we go down this road [1:20:00, 1:20:16]: You know, it's i I don't want it to end up being a slippery slope for the Well I think we have a public hearing tomorrow night. That's the one thirty eight overlay district. How soon they move on that, I think they're supposed to be finished by I think the first of October. I think when they're saying the consultant is saying that that will be complete. [1:20:19, 1:20:21]: Are there other questions by the council? [1:20:22, 1:20:22]: Manuel. [1:20:23, 1:20:24]: Uh Miss Gantt. [1:20:25, 1:20:43]: I I just want for clarification purposes, you were stating too um that it was staff's recommendation that we approve for the size of the sign change and deny the second request for the second wall sign. What did you also mention an additional condition upon that first [1:20:44, 1:21:04]: No, we just uh you know one of the prom we've added some additional conditions because we've realized for some reason the city of Stockbridge never required in their conditions to say you gotta get a business license, you gotta comply with this, you gotta comply with that. And those are things that should be there because what we run into is that when people come to the case. [1:21:04, 1:21:05]: come in they would say, Well [1:21:06, 1:21:23]: It never said I had to get a business license. It never said I had to do this for the review process. And so rather than keep an applicant guessing, we've decided to add uh conditions, you know, two, three, and four to be standard for everything that comes before you to make sure that those other areas that we're in we're in compliance with. [1:21:25, 1:21:28]: Right, are there other questions from the dais? [1:21:29, 1:21:34]: If not, we'll start over on this side and find out if we have any people for. [1:21:35, 1:21:36]: Or a yes. [1:21:37, 1:21:38]: The variants. [1:21:42, 1:21:51]: We'll go to the middle section of the chamber. Are there any people in the audience that have any opinions for or against? [1:21:52, 1:21:53]: The ordinance. [1:21:56, 1:21:58]: I see Miss Reed coming up. [1:22:04, 1:22:24]: Thank you, Mildred Reed. Um, after listening to the presentation, I am for the variants to increase, make the sign larger. I've gone past there uh daily. And I look at how small the sign is and also the fact that it is an anchor and a large store is will be conducive to the size of the building. [1:22:24, 1:22:25]: Thank you. [1:22:25, 1:22:27]: So I'm for as a citizen. [1:22:27, 1:22:28]: Thank you, Ms. Reed. [1:22:29, 1:22:36]: Do we have anyone over on the right side that has an opinion for or against the ordinance? [1:22:37, 1:22:39]: If not, Miss Moore. [1:22:39, 1:22:40]: Where do we go from here? [1:22:44, 1:22:52]: Mayor, if you could ask for someone to make a motion to accept the recommendation of staff along with the conditions that we've specified. [1:22:52, 1:22:56]: Anyone planning to make a motion? Mayor Neal. [1:22:57, 1:23:01]: I move that we um accept the variance um [1:23:02, 1:23:03]: Oh. [1:23:03, 1:23:19]: Varance from sign regulations requests for an increased square footage of main wall sign from maximum allowable of a hundred square feet to the requested amount of two hundred and eighty two hundred and eighty one point one square feet. [1:23:20, 1:23:23]: All right. Uh our attorney has a question. [1:23:32, 1:23:37]: The motion that the staff has asked for is the variance with the additional conditions set forth. [1:23:37, 1:23:44]: to include the variants um with the I mean to include the uh conditions that are set forth by the staff. [1:23:45, 1:23:46]: Okay. [1:23:46, 1:23:51]: All right. We have the variance and the conditions. Do we have a second? I'll second that. [1:23:51, 1:23:54]: We have a second by Pro Tem Ford. [1:23:54, 1:23:58]: Is there any further discussion from the dais? Yes. [1:23:59, 1:24:06]: All right, Mr. Alexander. I just want the public to know that I am against this and um I don't want to go down this slippery slope. [1:24:07, 1:24:13]: As Mr Blount said, in terms of um you know, the signage, uh we have this um [1:24:14, 1:24:34]: complex or this division and you know we set the sign ordinance for a reason. We set the ordinance because we were dissatisfied with signs in the community and how they represented us. I don't see how it advances the cause of moving Highway one hundred eight ahead [1:24:34, 1:24:45]: to have a giant D D's discount sign or giant dis big lot sign um available for anyone. That does not promote the the [1:24:46, 1:24:56]: the image that I I would like to see uh transform in this corridor, it just actually plays into what is already there, which is why I will vote against this. [1:24:57, 1:25:00]: Right, thank you. All right, we've all right, Councilman Blount. [1:25:01, 1:25:05]: Let me make a correction on s I um because [1:25:06, 1:25:26]: I'm for the signage if we're gonna come forward with the bearance um uh contractual bearings that the city can use for this signage. Uh and it's consist and I'm for it because it's consistent with the other signage that are already there. So that's why I'm for it because it's it's consistent with already there. [1:25:26, 1:25:30]: [5131.8, 5134.8]: Okay. Are there any other comments from the dais? [1:25:35, 1:25:52]: All right. Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate it. I also like to say that uh because the the staff remec uh recommended approval based on the consistency needed for that, so uh I'm in I'm in compliance with that as well. So I I I think that uh that's that made the decision for me in this aspect, but thank you. [1:25:54, 1:25:55]: Are there other comments? [1:25:56, 1:25:58]: If not, all in favor? [1:26:00, 1:26:01]: All opposed? [1:26:03, 1:26:04]: Does the record show that [1:26:05, 1:26:08]: Councilman Alexander was the only one voting no. [1:26:11, 1:26:13]: At this point, um [1:26:14, 1:26:25]: That'd be number. We're gonna go into our new business for the evening and the first thing we're going to ask our Main Street director to come up, Kira Harris Braggs. [1:26:27, 1:26:35]: And she's going to present um to the council to approve the Main Street R S V P memorandum of agreement. [1:26:45, 1:26:50]: Good evening, Mayor Neal and Council members. Um I come before you this evening [1:26:51, 1:26:59]: to get your support for s the signing of the MOU between the City of Stockbridge and the Carl Vincent Institute of Government. [1:27:00, 1:27:02]: At the University of Georgia. [1:27:02, 1:27:09]: in support of our RSVP program, the Renaissance Strategic Visioning and Planning Program. [1:27:10, 1:27:29]: Earlier this year I was um I came before you all and asked permission to go forward with applying for this program and we applied and were accepted into the program along with two other municipalities in the state of Georgia which included Ring Gold and Jessup. [1:27:30, 1:27:44]: We would like to move forward with our planning for the downtown and an MOU is required between ourselves, the city of Stockbridge and the Carl Vincent Institute. [1:27:45, 1:27:52]: Okay. Um, thank you very much. I wanna make a comment just for the point of the audience before we um [1:27:53, 1:28:13]: call for the vote. This uh grant would be paid for out of funds that are available from our hotel motel tax money that uh we keep a portion of our money goes to the uh chamber, forty three point five percent of our money goes to them for advertising stock bridge. However [1:28:13, 1:28:20]: Ever this is money in our Treasury set aside for such projects so we do have the money and um [1:28:21, 1:28:23]: I at this time I would like to [1:28:23, 1:28:25]: Ask if there are any [1:28:25, 1:28:28]: Anybody have a motion to move forward? [1:28:29, 1:28:40]: Appreciate it, Mayor. I'd like to make a motion that uh the council approves the Main Street RSVP memorandum of understanding uh with the call Vincent Institute of Government. [1:28:40, 1:28:41]: I second. [1:28:42, 1:28:45]: I ha hear a motion and a second. [1:28:45, 1:28:47]: Is there discussion on this item? [1:28:51, 1:29:06]: Okay. Um I actually have um a question if it's allowable that I could ask Ms. Braggs. Could you define for the benefit of the public and the council the parameter of where this design work will cover? [1:29:07, 1:29:08]: Yes ma'am. This [1:29:09, 1:29:29]: Particular area will be defined as the Main Street district, which is bordered by Ty Street, Lee Street, and goes over to Clark Park and is also bordered by First Street at this time. We will also continue the map of this area. It will include a [1:29:29, 1:29:45]: an area of about a block on e additional on each side. Um even though that is not the main street district, it is the downtown district and we would be getting recommendations for that additional area for future growth. [1:29:46, 1:29:54]: One other question I have, do you have any idea the time frame that it will take for us to get this document back, this design? [1:29:55, 1:30:03]: Um yes ma'am, we are going to be starting with a kickoff meeting for the steering committee that we're currently putting together in October. [1:30:03, 1:30:12]: And then the focus groups and other um community input meetings will be um occurring in the month of November. [1:30:12, 1:30:21]: And we expect to have a plan back from the Carl Vinson Institute by late February or early March. [1:30:22, 1:30:29]: All right, thank you. Okay, we've had discussion. If there's no further discussion, all in favor, please raise your hand. [1:30:30, 1:30:33]: All right, thank you so much. Thank you very much. [1:30:39, 1:30:45]: At this time we're going to call our public works director, Deshus Aaron, to the podium. [1:30:45, 1:30:48]: He is going to present for us um [1:30:49, 1:30:55]: some engineered restoration uh in engineered restoration work that he will explain to us. [1:30:59, 1:31:00]: Good after uh [1:31:01, 1:31:14]: Good evening Madam Mayor and Council. Um this is a issue that the city has been dealing with for a long time, both with the municipal building and city hall. So one of the things I did when I got here is [1:31:15, 1:31:35]: uh met with Mr. Harris when he was here, but there's several files on what's been going on with the municipal building and city hall. And so I asked one of our consultant engineers, Falcon Design, to look at remedies for this situation. We've tried a lot of things and they haven't worked, but I've asked Mr Skip Leighton [1:31:35, 1:31:52]: with Faffin Design to come and present this because I asked him if he had any advice on how we can go about correcting this problem and he's worked with this company before and I'll let him come and explain the process that they will be using to resolve this issue. [1:31:59, 1:32:08]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. As Mr Deshus uh Mr. Aaron said, uh we were asked to put our two cents into the problem. [1:32:08, 1:32:09]: Uh [1:32:10, 1:32:15]: Traditional methods have been employed multiple times on the b this building and the municipal court. [1:32:16, 1:32:18]: And we're aware of what has gone on in the past. [1:32:19, 1:32:39]: We were looking at something that was more out of the box. Uh it's it's an epoxy injection system that creates basically a curtain wall. Uh it's very little uh damage to the structures. It's usually just injection of points along the perimeter. And uh I have never used this application. [1:32:39, 1:32:51]: application for this specific type of unit, but I've used it for cutoff walls and dams. It stops the water from migrating. It's that simple. Uh and the people that uh if you're [1:32:51, 1:33:03]: have given you this proposal, this is all they do. They use these different epoxy techniques. We've used them for uh stopping water moving through concrete tanks, that type of structure. So [1:33:04, 1:33:06]: They do it all the time in Atlanta. [1:33:07, 1:33:18]: They're they're very knowledgeable in what they're doing. Uh there's no guarantees. There's never a guarantee with it. But uh this is probably one of your best options at this point in time. [1:33:20, 1:33:24]: Okay. Uh council members, you've heard [1:33:24, 1:33:28]: Um skip's recommendation that is coming from Falcon Design. [1:33:29, 1:33:31]: And uh at this time [1:33:32, 1:33:35]: if you are willing to go through I'm gonna read the [1:33:35, 1:33:36]: The um [1:33:38, 1:33:39]: Um [1:33:40, 1:34:00]: The item that I need for you to consider for a vote, council consideration to approve engineered restoration ink for waterproofing services at the municipal court in the amount of twenty-eight thousand and city hall in the amount of three thousand eight hundred dollars. Um this has been brought to us by both our engineer. [1:34:00, 1:34:20]: Falcon Design, our public works director, Dashus Aaron. This uh will be coming from SPLOS funds and the uh SPLOS 3. We have numbers for all of our SPLOSS funds. This will be coming from SPLOS 3, and it is reallocate reallocating some funds in SPLOS. [1:34:20, 1:34:27]: That would be permissible to use for this project. Does anyone have a motion to go forward with this item? [1:34:28, 1:34:28]: The mood. [1:34:29, 1:34:33]: Have a motion by the Proteum. Do I hear um a second? [1:34:33, 1:34:34]: Second. [1:34:34, 1:34:36]: Of a second by Ms. Robinson. [1:34:37, 1:34:37]: Uh [1:34:38, 1:34:58]: Is there a discussion at this time from anyone? Yes. Cook. In terms of we've been going through this, we talked about it earlier with someone uh I talked about the the building was built in two thousand and nine. Okay. We are where we are, we're in this position. What are the guarantees or the [1:34:58, 1:35:05]: Yeah. [1:35:05, 1:35:13]: One calendar year. As I said, with any project of this nature there are no guarantees. Uh even if we did the massive [1:35:14, 1:35:16]: It type of uh uh [1:35:17, 1:35:33]: infrast infrastructure that we would do. You know, our recommendation if you don't do something like this would be to excavate all the way to the footing of every building that's impacted, put down the membrane layers, put it down a drainage layer, put down a collection system, do all of that. You're talking about [1:35:33, 1:35:41]: tremendous expense and devastation to that area for a while. Uh again, this is one of those in out they're done [1:35:41, 1:35:42]: But [1:35:43, 1:35:45]: They are the experts. [1:35:46, 1:35:49]: They're the ones that came up with the plan after seeing the building. [1:35:49, 1:35:50]: And [1:35:50, 1:35:53]: All I can tell you is in all our experience with them [1:35:54, 1:35:55]: They've never failed. [1:35:57, 1:35:59]: Okay, further discussion from the dias. [1:36:00, 1:36:15]: Yes, um Mayor Neil, I I have a couple of questions. We've had these issues in the past and we've had recommendations to get these buildings fixed and we can't guarantee it. So [1:36:15, 1:36:20]: Um I guess my concern, especially when it comes to the municipal building [1:36:20, 1:36:21]: Um [1:36:22, 1:36:30]: whether or not how much more money are we gonna put into this particular type of project and who recommended [1:36:31, 1:36:43]: last year or the year before. I mean we keep we've had several contractors already. I think we've had one last year here in Stockbridge recently. I mean in the city hall. Um [1:36:43, 1:36:55]: And we were told, you know, this is gonna be guaranteed fix, guaranteed fix and w they've never had any problems like this before where they haven't been able to fix and solve the problem. [1:36:55, 1:36:57]: And the problem is still here. [1:36:58, 1:37:11]: So uh I don't know if you guys recommended the last contractor we had or not. Um but I I do want council to make note that, you know, w w we are [1:37:11, 1:37:18]: uh continually trying to fix this issue for years now, more than five years. [1:37:18, 1:37:20]: Um and so [1:37:20, 1:37:24]: We we really need to consider that after this go round. [1:37:25, 1:37:45]: Well just to answer your question, we were not the people that recommended what has been done in the past. As a matter of fact, back when the back parking lot was changed on the building, that was one of our projects, and your former public works director asked us for some input at that time about the drainage and we gave him basically the exact [1:37:45, 1:37:51]: Uh, [1:37:51, 1:37:52]: And that's all I can tell you. [1:37:53, 1:37:53]: Mayor. [1:37:54, 1:37:56]: Okay. Ms. Robinson. Um [1:37:57, 1:38:00]: With that information, um, do we have [1:38:01, 1:38:16]: record of who did, you know, in the last few years and is it w there was a warranty or, you know, I mean we just can't you know, with that being brought, you know, I didn't know that that took place, but if that did, we should have some kind of warranty. [1:38:16, 1:38:24]: Yeah, we're pulling all those files so that we can review those. This particular contract comes with a one year warranty. Um [1:38:25, 1:38:45]: It does not address damage or anything that results from the failure of the system, but it does look at repairing the system. I'm not sure that th that really is is adequate, but that's what they're offering. But we are going to look back at the other uh to see what can be done. But if we're outside of warranty then [1:38:46, 1:38:47]: We may restart. [1:38:48, 1:38:59]: One follow up please. Okay. One more question for Mr Alexander. I just I know you probably said it and I probably oh. Is there a a any level [1:38:59, 1:39:05]: that you can go to that offers a guarantee. Is there any level of work? [1:39:05, 1:39:12]: that you can do that can provide some greater guarantees than what you're offering us today. [1:39:12, 1:39:16]: Uh well first of all I'm not offering anything but the uh [1:39:17, 1:39:31]: Even if you did the massive excavation that I suggested as the the end all be all, there's no guarantees with that. If if somebody didn't apply something correctly, if somebody cuts a liner when it's being put in, things of that n [1:39:31, 1:39:39]: There's no guarantee. Uh the one year warranty that uh this particular company is offering is about the best you'll get from anyone. [1:39:42, 1:39:47]: Okay, we've had lots of discussion. Is there further discussion? Otherwise I'm gonna call for the vote. [1:39:48, 1:39:50]: All in favor. [1:39:52, 1:39:53]: Well, [1:39:53, 1:40:00]: We have three. Do I have any to abstain? What what was the amount? I didn't he I didn't hear the amount. I'm sorry. [1:40:01, 1:40:05]: The amount of the project is um [1:40:05, 1:40:07]: Thirty six [1:40:08, 1:40:13]: A twenty eight hundred I mean twenty eight thousand three hundred for the council [1:40:14, 1:40:20]: I mean for a city hall and then three thousand eight hundred for the court. Okay. Okay. [1:40:20, 1:40:23]: All right, so we're gonna call that vote again. [1:40:23, 1:40:25]: Both. Okay. [1:40:27, 1:40:28]: Okay. [1:40:28, 1:40:29]: All in favor? [1:40:31, 1:40:32]: Opposed? [1:40:33, 1:40:34]: Abstain. [1:40:34, 1:40:38]: One abstaining, Mr Alexander. Thank you so much. [1:40:38, 1:40:54]: Okay, we're moving on to the next item that's gonna be number item number five, uh council consideration to approve task release number three under Master Engineering Services Agreement between the city of Stockbridge and Carter Sleuth. [1:40:54, 1:41:05]: Mm for S C A D A water system improvements in the amount of thirty six thousand six hundred dollars and that's gonna be presented by Deshrus Aaron, our public works director. [1:41:06, 1:41:26]: Madam Mayor and Council, this is another project that was identified in SPLOSS uh skater system for the water and wastewater system. So we're coming before you tonight to ask that you uh approve for us to move forward with this spLOS project. This is like the third or fourth sploss project that we're doing. We're moving the [1:41:25, 1:41:30]: projects forward, but we just need your approval so we can continue to move forward. [1:41:31, 1:41:34]: Okay, let me explain. This also is a project [1:41:35, 1:41:43]: that will be coming from SP SPLIS three funds and so the money is available to do this project. [1:41:44, 1:41:45]: Mayor Neal. [1:41:46, 1:41:57]: I move that we approve of the task release number three under Master Engineer Service Agreement between the City of Stock Bridge and Carter Swim and the amount of thirty six thousand six hundred dollars. [1:41:57, 1:41:58]: Thank you. [1:41:58, 1:42:03]: Okay, we have a motion and a second by Mr. Blount. Is there a discussion? [1:42:06, 1:42:09]: Okay, we have no discussion at this time. I'll call for the vote. [1:42:10, 1:42:11]: All in favour? [1:42:12, 1:42:13]: Okay. [1:42:13, 1:42:15]: Five zero. Thank you. [1:42:16, 1:42:19]: Thank you, Madam Mayor and Council. Okay, thank you. [1:42:22, 1:42:34]: Okay, our next one, um our numbers I think have been switched. We're going to uh an item called Tyler Ingers Ingergov Intergov and that's number six. [1:42:36, 1:42:56]: And that will be presented by Ms. Moore. Yes, ma'am. Mayor and Council, what we have before you tonight is a request to repurchase software for the entire development division. Currently there is no software that allows code enforcement to talk to business license, to talk to planning, to talk to GIS. And we currently have a contract with Tyler Industry. [1:42:56, 1:43:16]: Industries and EGov is the module that allows us to purchase so that we can all connect and talk to each other. And then that also allows us for when permitting gets going, it allows for all of the information, even from permitting and building, to be in the same system, along with code enforcement plans. [1:43:16, 1:43:20]: planning, GIS, and business services. [1:43:21, 1:43:35]: Okay, and a question, do you know where your money's coming from for this project? Uh yes ma'am, I think we um for all of these we've got with I think you always tell us to get with uh treasurer and we got with the treasurer and she's identified it. [1:43:36, 1:43:36]: Okay. [1:43:37, 1:43:38]: Right? [1:43:39, 1:43:59]: How much is the software menu? How much is the software? The initial start up is thirty two thousand and that's for the implementation and make sure that all of the module for the five divisions are up and then after that it goes to a maintenance agreement of four thousand a year. So that initial start up is normally what costs you and then it goes down to [1:43:59, 1:44:00]: For a year. [1:44:01, 1:44:07]: So this project uh outlay thirty two thousand, ongoing four thousand and okay. [1:44:08, 1:44:12]: All right. Do I hear um a motion on the floor to support the [1:44:13, 1:44:16]: Presentation. Anybody gonna support it? [1:44:16, 1:44:29]: Mm, Mandy, I one one other question. I heard you say that you've already spoken to the treasurer and so it's been taken care of. Is it coming out of general funds or SPLOS funds? It's actually coming out of my budgets for my divisions. Okay. [1:44:30, 1:44:50]: Okay and having said that and answer that, Mayor Nera, I move that we approve this software um on behalf of the for the development department. Um in the initial uh amount start up around thirty two thousand and thereafter each year four thousand dollars maintenance like per year. [1:44:50, 1:44:53]: Okay. We have a motion on the floor. Do I hear a second? [1:44:53, 1:44:56]: [6296.9, 6316.9]: Is there a discussion further? Yeah, yes. I support this measure. I just want to make sure the public understands and all we understand. Give us maybe like a couple of bullet points of the benefits so uh taking us into the next realm here is to the stone age. So let me give you an example we can't. [1:45:16, 1:45:18]: Code enforcement. [1:45:18, 1:45:38]: Stockbridge is one of the first cities I know that didn't have any code enforcement software. So our guys are actually riding around with a paper and pen, in essence. And so therefore, if there is a citation that needs to be given from the planning director, right? I have to wait to either email them or call them and say, I need [1:45:38, 1:45:58]: For you to go by this site. What this software will allow me to do is to talk to my code enforcers and put the request of inspection in the system. So when they get up every day, there will be a whole list. Let's just say you email and say, look, this is a site we need for them to go by. It goes into the system. And once it goes into the system, it [1:45:58, 1:46:18]: It allows us to monitor the time that it takes code enforcement to respond, and it allows us to print a report so that at the end of every month, Mayor and Council, if you say, Can you give me a report of code enforcement activity? How many citations, what were the properties that were cited, we will be able to [1:46:18, 1:46:27]: print a report. And that software does the same thing for every single division, for business services as well as for GIS and for planning. And for permitting. [1:46:28, 1:46:30]: Okay. All in favor. [1:46:31, 1:46:32]: Okay, thank you. [1:46:33, 1:46:53]: We have one more. This one uh Miss Moore will also be uh presenting it. It's about permitting and this we have been told by Miss Moore is revenue neutral, so no money involved, just need permission to move forward. Yes, ma'am. Uh as we talked initially about bringing services in back from Henry County, uh the first [1:46:53, 1:47:13]: One that we agreed upon was building and permitting. And so staff put out an RFP to be bidded on, and Abbott's was the one that was selected. And we're bringing this before you tonight to adopt so that we can go ahead and get the contract approved. And we're trying to, we were hoping to do a start date of September the 1st, but it just depends. [1:47:13, 1:47:33]: on how soon they could set up, but it is revenue neutral and I think for the first time we will have an opportunity to know what projects are coming into the city of Stockbridge. Rather than waiting on Henry County to tell us, because permitting starts first, we will have an opportunity and we will be able to give you a list of the projects. [1:47:33, 1:47:33]: Yeah. [1:47:34, 1:47:38]: All right. Do I have a motion to support uh the permitting changes? [1:47:40, 1:47:40]: Yeah. [1:47:40, 1:47:51]: I got this. Okay, thank you. Yes, I'd like to make a motion that the uh vendor or contractor Abbott uh uh be approved or permitted and building inspections uh here in the city of Stockbridge. [1:47:51, 1:47:52]: A second. [1:47:52, 1:47:56]: Okay, we have a motion and a second. Is there further discussion? [1:47:57, 1:47:59]: No discussion. All in favor? [1:48:01, 1:48:02]: Thank you. [1:48:02, 1:48:07]: And we're gonna move on to item eight that is regarding added um [1:48:08, 1:48:14]: um the Falcon cheerleaders to come out to one of our food truck events. [1:48:17, 1:48:21]: [6501.9, 6521.9]: I'm calling number eight. We'll go back and pick up the other one. Uh Falcon cheerleaders will be coming out for the um food truck event. I believe that's on the twelfth of September. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. And that is a nine hundred and fifty dollar charge, but that will be taken out of the funding for the food. [1:48:41, 1:48:45]: truck project that they already have set up. [1:48:45, 1:48:45]: Uh [1:48:46, 1:48:48]: Do I hear a motion for that? [1:48:48, 1:48:49]: So [1:48:50, 1:49:10]: Or we have a motion for nine hundred and fifty dollars for the Falcon cheerleaders to join into the food truck event on the twelfth of September. And I would like to ask at this time for a motion. I mean for a second. I'll second that. All right, we have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion from the I just want to make sure the public does understand [1:49:09, 1:49:25]: This is for the Falcon players, the cheerleaders and Freddie Falcon, uh the mascot of the Falcons. Uh so it'll be a complete uh great opportunity for them to come and visit uh on the South Side here in Stockbridge. [1:49:26, 1:49:26]: Okay. [1:49:28, 1:49:30]: What's next boy after we take a book? [1:49:32, 1:49:37]: Okay. All right. Uh comment now from Mr. Blount. [1:49:38, 1:49:43]: Oh the finding for this w where is the finding coming from for this again? [1:49:43, 1:49:46]: It's already allocated. It's already it's been allocated. [1:49:49, 1:49:52]: Okay. We've had some discussion. All in favor? [1:49:54, 1:50:02]: Okay, thank you for your vote. We have one last um presentation that's gonna be brought to us by our attorney regarding a feasibility study. [1:50:02, 1:50:22]: Madam Mayor, you have a proposal that was put in the packet for a deannexation fiscal impact study um to be done by the Carl Vinson Institute. The uh quote is a flat fee of twenty thousand seven hundred dollars. Um this would require an agreement to be negotiated [1:50:22, 1:50:42]: and put in place and we uh would want that done literally in the next day or two to get that signed so they could get started immediately. The only issue that I have, which I'm gonna have to have a discussion with Carl Vinston uh Institute staff, they've uh estimated a completion time of four months. [1:50:42, 1:51:02]: months but in my prior discussions with them they thought it could be done a lot sooner. Um four months would still uh be done in time for the legislative session, but we'd like to have it a lot sooner um especially considering that the staff has already compiled most of the data. So uh we would ask for [1:51:02, 1:51:19]: a motion to approve uh entering into a contract with Carl Vincent Institute for the amount of twenty thousand seven hundred dollars. The amount would come out of the planning um uh budget uh for funds that aren't expected to be expended this year. [1:51:20, 1:51:22]: Okay. You've heard the um [1:51:23, 1:51:36]: uh description of the study for Carl Vincent that basically is to certify all the financials that have been compiled by our treasurer that are going over for certification to them. Uh do we have discussion from the Dais? [1:51:37, 1:51:38]: Fair nail. [1:51:38, 1:51:43]: Yes, ma'am. Go ahead. Please. I use the calcamin Blount. Go ahead. [1:51:43, 1:51:47]: Okay. She passed. All right. We have another question. Mr. Blount. [1:51:47, 1:51:52]: This is um this feasibility study is something that's been on the table. [1:51:52, 1:51:53]: Thanks. [1:51:53, 1:51:55]: Since January at least. [1:51:56, 1:52:03]: Um and why we haven't moved forward with this feasibility study up until now and rushing it, I have no idea. [1:52:04, 1:52:08]: But this has been the the wishes of the council and I would like the public to know that. [1:52:08, 1:52:20]: This has been the wishes of the councils for a long time. And when I'm being told by our mayor that we will wait on the feasibility studies from the city of Eagles Landing, [1:52:20, 1:52:31]: This is where we don't agree because we have had this on the table for quite some time and we when we request to ask for information for this [1:52:31, 1:52:37]: The information pertaining to it being done should have been given to us by now, not that we're doing it. [1:52:39, 1:52:42]: Thank you, Mr. Blount, for your comment. Any other comments? [1:52:43, 1:53:03]: If not, all in favor. I have a comment. Okay. Uh Ms. Robinson. Um just to follow up with Councilman Blount, I mean the information was given to a group of you know, we said it to staff, um, not just one person. So hopefully moving forward, you know, we're not just looking at one person to bring this back. We look at [1:53:03, 1:53:23]: staff along with the mayor since the mayor's name was mentioned to work together to bring this back because to my understanding that's what council said around the table um to staff as well. So that way if we work together as a team that means if somebody is missing something, the other will pick it up. Okay? So that's that's just my take [1:53:23, 1:53:23]: On it. [1:53:24, 1:53:25]: Thank you. [1:53:26, 1:53:31]: Are there any other comments? If not I'll call it, Mr. [1:53:32, 1:53:37]: The public you elected us to govern the city together. [1:53:37, 1:53:57]: You elected us to keep the city together. I personally have every intention of making sure that we do that. And um you know the only way that we're gonna do that is that if we work together, all six of us, in order to move these initiatives forward. Because people are watching us and to see [1:53:57, 1:54:17]: see how the cohesiveness on this council is and for us to be able to work on problems together as a unit is extremely is extremely important. This issue there's nothing been more pressing the than the City of Eagles land the proposed City of Eagles Landing uh come before us. [1:54:17, 1:54:25]: and we have to be a united team in order to say that we do not want to see this move forward and to also ensure [1:54:26, 1:54:36]: that we're in lockstep because every time we're not in lockstep the public is judging that and making judgments on the fact uh o of the cohesive leadership of the city. [1:54:38, 1:54:45]: Okay. Any other comments? If not, I'll call for the vote. All in favor, please raise your hand. If anybody made a motion. [1:54:47, 1:54:50]: We were in discussion. We were in discussion. We did not make a motion. [1:54:52, 1:54:59]: Okay. All right. Let's go back. We we did our discussion first. Uh uh do I have a motion? I have uh Mayor. [1:55:00, 1:55:01]: [6901.9, 6917.9]: Mayor. Okay. I'd like to make a motion on to approve uh the amount suggested by a city attorney so we can move forward with the feasibility study on the impact on the devastating impact of the proposed City of Eagles Landing with Carl Vincent Institute. [1:55:18, 1:55:21]: Okay, we have a motion. Do I hear a second? I second. [1:55:21, 1:55:26]: Have a second by Miss Robinson and at this time is there further discussion? [1:55:27, 1:55:29]: If not, I'll call for the vote. All in favor. [1:55:31, 1:55:32]: All right, thank you all for your vote. [1:55:34, 1:55:34]: Thank you. [1:55:38, 1:55:57]: At this time we're going into some discussion items. I know it's awfully hot. I apologize for that. It's uh taking its toll on us up here at the Dais, but and I know it is on you out there. But at this time we're going to go to discussion item about the Carrie May Hambrick Cultural Arts Center. [1:55:58, 1:56:01]: And that will be presented by Councilman Blonett. [1:56:02, 1:56:07]: Yes, I would like us to uh we've torn down um [1:56:07, 1:56:12]: the um old bank building and we've asked to move forward with the [1:56:13, 1:56:23]: getting a design company here, putting a RFP out for a design company to come in here to give us some designs on and and to move forward and to putting something in this place. [1:56:24, 1:56:44]: Um I would like us to get a timeline on when we would get a RP out for a design company to come in and I would like us to move go ahead and move forward with what we're gonna do with this uh with this property and not have it uh just to sit idle and us to w focus on uh going to other areas rather than focus on what we already have as have our [1:56:43, 1:56:45]: identify to move forward with that. [1:56:46, 1:57:00]: Uh uh to benefit Mr Blount, I wanna ask a question of our Main Street director in the back, um, talking about the building that has been taken down. Will that be in your design area? [1:57:01, 1:57:06]: Would that reach into the design area? Did you hear the question? Okay. [1:57:12, 1:57:32]: It is all planned for um the Carrie May Hambrick Cultural and Enrichment Center to be a part of the area that is going to be included in our planning. Um they will make suggestions with regard to um ingress, egress, that sort of thing, but as far as the actual design of the building that [1:57:32, 1:57:37]: That would have to be done by an outside consultant or designer. [1:57:39, 1:57:44]: Uh any comments? Mayor Neil. Yes, sir. I asked that our um [1:57:45, 1:57:50]: Uh Mr Neil and uh I mean I'm sorry, Mr Um [1:57:51, 1:58:03]: Aaron as well as uh Donald would come up and talk to us about what we can do to get an RFP design up as well as get some information in regards to where we are. [1:58:05, 1:58:09]: While while they're coming, I wanna ask a question if I could. Um [1:58:10, 1:58:21]: Are we going to involve the public, Mr Blount, in getting input from the arts community and uh are we gonna involve our community development department to [1:58:21, 1:58:41]: Um how we how are we gonna find out what the public would like us to have included in this? The public has already shown us what they want. We have nothing in this city for our youth, we have nothing in this city for our elders. The public has already spoken. We want facilities to facilitate those people right now in our city where they don't have to go outside of the city of Stockbridge. [1:58:41, 1:59:01]: in order to enjoy themselves, whether they're young, middle aged, or old, uh older. So those things have already been identified, and this is why I'm coming forward now to say if they've already been identified, uh age group has already been put on the table, then let's go ahead and get an RFP out and let's go ahead and move the project forward. It's not a money situation. [1:59:01, 1:59:09]: It's about moving this project forward. So I would like to know what is the RP uh process and getting this thing moved forward. Mayor. [1:59:11, 1:59:15]: I just want to add some a clarification. When we're saying public [1:59:15, 1:59:17]: I mean we [1:59:17, 1:59:37]: putting it out to say this is a public hearing regarding this or is this just something where someone individually just said this is what we want, you know, community activists. Typically how that would work is what I shared with the mayor. I would like for us to visit a couple of centers so that you [1:59:37, 1:59:57]: you can get an idea of what you want in it and then what we will do is take those ideas because we gotta know what uh let's say you may want a gym, you may want um arts, whatever you want, then once you'cause there's a couple, I think there's one in Henry County, there's one up in Riverdale, there's one over in South Fulton. [1:59:57, 2:00:17]: that gives you the idea and what I share it with, I'd like for us one day within the next week or so to take you guys on a tour so that you could go in and pick, I want that, I want that, I want that. So because before you do an RFP, the consultant is going to ask you what is your wish list. And then once you give them your wish list, [2:00:17, 2:00:37]: Then that consultant will bring your plan back with all of your wish lists in it so that you can put out on the street for someone to actually do the design work based on your wish list. And then when the consultant puts that out, then you can actually have what they call the little charettes where you can invite people in and say this is what the consultant is. [2:00:37, 2:00:57]: consultant these are the renderings of the new facility, what it's gonna look like, and then just have people to do comments on it. But in order for the RFP to go out, we need to know what your wish list is going to be and we would like to take you to a couple of facilities so that you could see if you want a pool, if you want, you know whatever you want. [2:00:57, 2:01:17]: that. I'm in agreement with that and when we say a week or so, let's go ahead and put some dates on, get some dates established when we're gonna make these trips because that's been the we we're idle without dates. Let's go ahead and put some dates down when we're gonna make these trips and when we're gonna make this happen and and so we can move forward as quick as we can. [2:01:17, 2:01:37]: For an RRP to make this happen. The citizens of Stockbridge are in need for some for something here for them to enjoy. And we're in a position to give it to them, and so I want that to happen, as well as my other colleagues. We've been talking about this for a while, so if we can get some dates together, I would love to hurry up and see those dates. Let's make those trips. [2:01:37, 2:01:41]: trips and let's make some things happen in the city to make it more vibrant than what it is right now. [2:01:41, 2:01:42]: Yeah. [2:01:43, 2:01:56]: Um, let's go ahead. I think all three of'em have something they want to say. Uh would you let Kira go next? I think she's got something to add on to her comment and then we'll hear from our public works and our procurement officer. [2:01:58, 2:02:18]: I just wanted to say that from a Main Street standpoint, our advisory board has had several work sessions with regard to um the types of amenities that we would like to have in the downtown and those things will be considered during the RF RFP RSVP process. [2:02:18, 2:02:38]: Um we will be having focus groups and they will be talking about these types of things. But it is our I guess our um what we are advocating for is that an arts and cultural district be created in the downtown area that is anchored by the Merrill Manners Conference Center, the Carrie May Hambrick [2:02:38, 2:02:57]: Cultural Arts and Enrichment Center, the Ted Strickland Center, and the library there. So we want to make sure that those things are being considered when the Carrie May handbrick discussions are had and Main Street plans to be a part of that. Thank you. All right, let's go to our public works director. [2:02:57, 2:03:17]: But I just want to let everybody know that the legwork has been done, so whatever you want to put on the site, the phase one has been done, everything was fine, the site assessment has been done, so you can put whatever type of building on that site, but it's just gonna take some site work to get it ready to build, but everything is ready to go, it's just designing the building. [2:03:18, 2:03:18]: Thank you, sir. [2:03:19, 2:03:20]: All right, Mr. Raleigh. [2:03:22, 2:03:24]: Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. [2:03:25, 2:03:38]: The only thing procurement needs is a methodology methodologies, scope of work and any type of milestones that we actually see f um for forthcoming at this time. [2:03:39, 2:03:40]: Okay. [2:03:40, 2:04:00]: Uh Mr. Blount, I think you see you've got a staff of people that are ready to roll with you and push this out. If we do it the right way we'll end up with a product that we'll all be proud of. Are there other questions? Yes. Okay, Mr. Alexander. I think I'm listening to the entire process and we just approved monies [2:04:00, 2:04:20]: To do an extensive downtown master plan, which we passed last year, uh you know, a master plan as well, but the RSVP plan is designed to do encompass the whole downtown. I think we already made a mistake in putting the fountain at East [2:04:20, 2:04:40]: Atlanta Road that prohibits us from doing something. What if the RSVP comes back and makes a suggestion that we move the location or that we slightly move the location um of this facility or they give us several indications on what they want to do? That's what the map [2:04:40, 2:05:00]: Master plan is all about. What can be the timetable to say, okay, in the next couple of weeks will we have s uh some of these in place so we can keep the the aggressive timetable, but in terms of overall composition of downtown, isn't that what the master plan [2:05:00, 2:05:08]: plan is for. Well your master plan is visioning but they're not necessarily gonna dictate that you necessarily move a building. [2:05:08, 2:05:28]: Um it's just gonna give you a vision of what they think the conceptually where everything should be placed. Um so but typically if you have an existing site that you normally want to rebuild on, they don't normally come in and say, Well, you need to change your site. Not saying that it's not possible, but that's typically not what you [2:05:28, 2:05:48]: You're going to see, but in your master plan, because you've already designated a site for rebuilding, your master plan would take into consideration that you have that land located for that project and then include that in their master plan. Absolutely. A short follow-up. In terms of what we're doing right now, I think uh we have a [2:05:48, 2:06:08]: lot of decisions to make. Do we want to put a pool in an art center or do we want to have two separate buildings, which would be my suggestion. Because those types of things as we go around to do trips. Are we looking at, you know,'cause I know we have an agreement or we had a um you know a theater company in there. It [2:06:08, 2:06:28]: If you try to do one size fits all with one building, you end up not serving um the greater good for anybody. So I think this council needs to have some decisions. What are your thoughts processes on because again, we got to know what components are gonna go into this building, right? I think that's why the tour is so [2:06:28, 2:06:48]: Important because once you see what other communities have done and the combinations that they have within those buildings, it will give you some idea. You may look at ten different buildings or ten different developments and you may take something from all ten in terms of what you want to be in your building, but until you come up [2:06:48, 2:07:08]: with what you want to be in the building. That has nothing to do with your master plan in terms of the features inside. You have to decide before an RFP goes out, what is it that you want, the amenities that you want that to be in that building that will help shape the RFP for it to go on the street. [2:07:09, 2:07:26]: Okay. Are there other questions? Mr. Ford. Thank you. Uh I'm gonna follow up on what Mr Aaron mentioned, uh if I got it right about the build the land is is structured where you can build anything. I guess my concern is we'll probably find out from the uh when we go by and do the visit, but can this building b have a basement? [2:07:26, 2:07:28]: Or is it going to be a slab? [2:07:32, 2:07:48]: No sir, I wouldn't want to put a basement in this building because you'd have to excavate to actually have a basement. Most of the time when you have a basement it's on an area where the back slopes off but this doesn't. It's pretty much level throughout the site, so it would be on the ground and I prefer not to have that. [2:07:48, 2:07:51]: All right. All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. [2:07:51, 2:08:11]: Yes ma'am Miss Robinson. Um thank you for staff. I mean it's a process and I heard you Kira from Main Street. Uh you know, I would like for it to be a arts downtown. I have mis mentioned it some of the colleagues and our attorney. Um you know, we're saying community centers with you know, with a pool, whatever. I I've [2:08:11, 2:08:15]: notice there's land by the corner of Ty and Wilson. [2:08:15, 2:08:35]: Um there's there's land that's been there that is right there in the community that I would like that I mentioned to the attorney to look at for other like saying we have a second building. So I thank you for saying let's go take a tour um because we do have opportunity right here in our own community if let land and all of that is available. [2:08:35, 2:08:55]: Um but I do would like for our downtown to you know connect like she said with the Merrill Manders and having a cultural arts bringing people in um performing arts whatever it should be in that area. So I'm in agreement with that. So thank you, Miss Morris. So hopefully you can go ahead and like I said if next [2:08:55, 2:09:11]: week I'm ready um so that way we can take that tour. But we have a lot of opportunity for our community to get this done. If it's not just one building well then we can at least do two buildings to make this happen for our community if that's so what our council decides. [2:09:12, 2:09:30]: Okay, thank you all for helping us understand the process. Thank you. Okay, we're going to item seven and that's gonna be brought to us by Councilwoman Gantt and this is to talk about another possibility in our downtown and that is about a splash pad design. [2:09:31, 2:09:51]: Well um Mayor Neil, thank you. I don't want us to um I've been talking about this for a while now, um, to have a splash pad uh uh and possibly a splash pad that converts over to an ice rink. But now that we have the procedures down, um we've spoken to um Mr. Aaron [2:09:51, 2:10:11]: prior to as well as Ms. Moore. This is probably something that we can talk a lot more in detail on during the retreat. And maybe get some I I'm not trying to push it off. I definitely want it to happen. But the I'm assuming, and Ms. Moore maybe you can answer this, that some of the [2:10:11, 2:10:12]: Um [2:10:12, 2:10:22]: The same procedure that we're dealing with with the Carrie May Hambrick building will be a very similar procedure for our splash pad and ice rink. [2:10:22, 2:10:28]: Well ac testing, no? Yes. The splash pass is actually easier. [2:10:28, 2:10:48]: than the building. Uh I sent each of you an email. We sent out I think it was to eight companies, eight or nine companies across the US who does splash pads. And so hopefully by the end of next week all of you will have your nice big stack of books of splash pad designs. And then again once you get [2:10:48, 2:11:08]: go through and pick your wish list of the items that you want to be a part of your splash pad, then it's just a matter of picking, putting on an RFP with those items and one of those vendors will probably bid on it. And the time frame to get a splash pad should be a lot quicker once you get [2:11:08, 2:11:10]: the books and once you pick the items that you want. [2:11:10, 2:11:20]: Uh and what what would a time frame look like? Um, could you give us an estimate if we we start looking at these next week once we get our binders? When you get your [2:11:21, 2:11:41]: See. When you get your binders next week, we're still in August. So if you give yourself a deadline to do in one of your work sessions, if all of you want to talk about your top three designs and elements, and if you guys could come to some consensus on everything that you want in the splash pad by your second [2:11:41, 2:11:43]: Week in September [2:11:43, 2:11:56]: then we should be able to take the scope or develop a scope for those items that you want in your splash pad and should have that out, which means that you should have an award by your mid October. [2:11:57, 2:12:08]: Which means that they should begin constructions'cause these are pretty easy. You could foreseeably have construction start at the end of October. Thank you so much. Um I would like to remind uh Miss Moore [2:12:08, 2:12:28]: who gave you all that great information and all the counsel that we will be in retreat talking about our budget coming up. Money doesn't grow on trees, so we are all gonna have to work together to figure out what we can afford when. So um you know, until Santa Claus comes, just keep [2:12:28, 2:12:48]: Keep in mind that what we're talking about tonight is discussion and then we'll move forward with our projects as the money. Well May Mayor Neil, if I may, um we've already looked at the funds through SPLOS and we've allocated those funds and we've talked about it over and over and over again. So we have [2:12:48, 2:13:08]: SPLOS funds that are available and they've already been pointed out. And we've also discussed it at past retreats as well as um more recently I think we met with you one on one as well as with the group to talk about what SPLOSS funds were available and they were there. Yes, not opposed to it. I'm just saying we're to [2:13:08, 2:13:19]: the public. We're having our retreat right away for budget and we'll all be working together to try to find out how we can move some of these great projects forward. Thank you. [2:13:19, 2:13:34]: Okay, now we're gonna go on to our next item. This is Development Performance Bonds presented by Councilman Alexander. Yes, I guess I had um spoken with Ms. Moore and uh Mr. Williams via email. [2:13:34, 2:13:54]: Because uh what we see throughout Henry County and Stockbridge in itself is a failure to perform by developers who start subdivisions, promise the world, they show you this big, elaborate, pretty picture of the grand pool and [2:13:54, 2:14:08]: and the amenities that go with it and then by the time the project is over that b that uh that developer may have bought bowed out and then a new developer may have come into uh the premises. [2:14:09, 2:14:29]: I just want to begin the discussion as we talk about updating our zoning and um requirements and our regulations to protect uh the homeowners that buy homes here in the city of Stockbridge. If a builder promises you certain infrastructure, certain [2:14:29, 2:14:49]: amenities, green space, uh or those items. I want to though talk about those items and put them on the table. Uh if we could uh have uh a little discussion about that, maybe Miss Moore or Mr. Williams could kind of chime in on what the available options are to add some protection [2:14:49, 2:14:58]: sections in our codes uh so homeowners aren't given a bait and switch type of uh presentation when they buy a home. [2:15:02, 2:15:06]: Our attorney, Mr. Williams, is going to answer that question. [2:15:07, 2:15:16]: I'll just repeat some of the the concepts that um I shared with Councilman Alexander via email. Um [2:15:16, 2:15:17]: Generally [2:15:19, 2:15:33]: It's not something that cities or counties get involved in where developers promise say a a a clubhouse or a swimming pool or other parked type features along with the subdivision. Um [2:15:34, 2:15:35]: And then if they don't [2:15:36, 2:15:44]: fulfill that promise, typically that's an issue between the purchasers of the home, a homeowners association, and the builder. [2:15:45, 2:15:48]: Um, you typically don't see governments [2:15:49, 2:15:58]: require performance bonds of the builders so that if the builder for whatever reason is unable to meet that obligation then the city would [2:15:59, 2:16:05]: uh essentially call that bond and finish those amenities on behalf of the developer. [2:16:06, 2:16:26]: conceptually perhaps that's something that could be done. Um we do do that in the case of certain uh features that benefit the overall community, such as roads, um other types of infrastructure that s um cities and governments generally provide, whether it's uh retention [2:16:26, 2:16:37]: ponds, roads, things of that sort. Um it it's again it's unusual. That's something that we need to give careful consideration to. Um [2:16:38, 2:16:41]: Uh and that's kind of where we left the conversation. [2:16:41, 2:17:01]: Right. Um if I could continue for just a second. Now what Mr Williams explained to me and I think that I got the concept right is that if the performance bond is required then the bond would actually cover the actual expenses that the homeowners were promised. [2:17:01, 2:17:21]: The city's responsibility may be to call the bond to actually spend the money and plan the project. I honestly think that that would be the least that we could do if the bond was going to pay for the promises in that community for our citizens because as uh you know a realtor myself home [2:17:21, 2:17:23]: owners buy based on promises. [2:17:24, 2:17:44]: And those promises being made, if you were promised that these items were going to occur, uh if you were promised sidewalks and the sidewalks didn't come, or you were promised uh the clubhouse or the pool or the tennis courts and they never came, that money would be available. In my opinion, it would be advantageous. [2:17:44, 2:18:04]: For the city to have those amenities inside the subdivision for those residents and at basically no cost to this to the city except for planning the projects out as well. There's always going to be some risk, and I understand, I appreciate Mr. [2:18:04, 2:18:11]: Mr uh Williams for explaining that out to us, but those funds would be available that did not have to come from the city coffers. [2:18:13, 2:18:21]: Okay, thank you for that discussion item. We're gonna move forward to another one that Mr uh Alexander wants to speak on, affordable housing. [2:18:22, 2:18:40]: Yes, thank you so much. One of the things that we see as uh I'm guilty of promoting growth and development is when that growth and development does actually come to the city, what happens is that uh property values increase, which is a good thing. [2:18:40, 2:18:56]: rental rates increase, which is a good thing. I have seen rental rates take a quantum leap in the last three or four years uh in the in the main in the Henry County area and in the Stockbridge area and at some point [2:18:56, 2:19:09]: Uh I'd probably like Miss Moore to talk about this a little bit, is uh what are some requirements that we can put in place uh for uh for affordable housing in some of the um development agreements. [2:19:14, 2:19:34]: Uh yes, you could do it a number of ways. You can actually look at your zoning and your lot size. Because a lot of times if you have smaller lots, sometimes that means you can get a smaller house. So we could do that through our land use, we could do that through the square footage in terms of what we will allow. That's one way. Another way that we could do that is if the city chooses [2:19:34, 2:19:54]: To have any tax allocation districts, if we decide to do any of those tax incentive programs, then as a part of those districts, you can require a certain percentage of your housing stock to be set aside for low to moderate income. So everybody doesn't know but Atlantic Station has a 20% set aside of affordable house. [2:19:54, 2:20:14]: housing. So anytime you overlay a particular area with a tag, then you can come in and mandate that that occurs. So as we continue to grow and we have these planned communities that we're talking about, the city may want to look at providing a tax incentive in order to ensure that we get that percentage of affordable housing. [2:20:14, 2:20:34]: Okay, as we continue with the these discussions as far as updating our zoning requirement, is it too late to put that in there at this point or we're actually getting ready to do the comp plan. We put out the RFP and so there is a housing and affordable housing element. I don't know if each of you got a chance to look at it, but is the affordable housable uh [2:20:34, 2:20:40]: afford a affordable housing is an element as a part of that comp plan. [2:20:42, 2:20:50]: for the next item and that's going to be um by councilman alexander again he wants to talk about the youth and senior services. [2:20:50, 2:20:52]: Or center. A center. [2:20:53, 2:21:04]: Thank thank you so much, Mayor. And I think as part of what we've been talking about, which is a overall master plan for downtown, is that and uh the entire city itself. [2:21:05, 2:21:10]: we have some real serious decisions that we need to make as a council. [2:21:11, 2:21:20]: We can try to put together this one building that encompasses everything and tries to be everything to everybody. [2:21:20, 2:21:40]: Or we can make the decision uh with these budgetary discussions coming up that we would actually build what most people actually do, which is a youth senior recreation center separate from the art center. Those are two separate uses uh in the community. Hampton uh just built [2:21:40, 2:22:00]: built a senior recreation center in combination with Henry County. You know, this these ideas come about because connecting the senior population to the growing uh youth and millennial population is very beneficial because it keeps the seniors alive and it provides wisdom for the young people. [2:22:00, 2:22:20]: as uh the seniors enjoy the interaction and so do the y uh the younger kids enjoy uh the interactions at all. I had a subsequent discussion uh with Councilwoman Robinson about actually putting the facility in the Tye Street area uh in a community that is underserved and [2:22:20, 2:22:40]: and an underprivileged so that it would be in walking distance up downtown and be available to um have services available to the community. Uh nothing could be better than that senior youth center with a indoor pool inside the facility, something that is sorely missing [2:22:40, 2:22:49]: inside our our city here. Uh many of us sit back and we say, Okay, we feel fortunate that we have a swimming pool in our subdivision. [2:22:49, 2:23:09]: But that swimming pool and that clubhouse in your subdivision belong to residents. There are many neighborhoods, underprivileged neighborhoods inside of Stockbridge that do not have these amenities available for them. And you know what? When a child dies or drowns unnecessarily because they don't have facilities to participate. [2:23:09, 2:23:29]: Participate in. In terms of economic development, this center could be that as well, because there is no facility for our swim teams in Stockbridge to currently participate in. There's none. They go over to Clayton County in order to compete. We have several swim uh teams in the community that have [2:23:29, 2:23:49]: have to travel at parent expense over to Clayton County in order to uh partake in such a great activity. The if you separate the two units into a arts center and then the senior arts and senior recreation center, you get more uses. Because when you have a boys and girls [2:23:49, 2:23:50]: Girls club. [2:23:50, 2:24:10]: which could be pr the the the priority to run these programs for us. They at each of their facilities they have an indoor swim facility, they have coaches, they have administrative offices available and they also have pro the surrounding property for a ball field for the kids to use in their community. And what [2:24:10, 2:24:30]: What that does it is as it is the meeting place in the community. I think we've heard it more times than not from the Boys and Girls Club and their slogan that between three and seven is the most dangerous time in kids' lives. And having that facility be available in the community would be of great benefit uh to us all. And I like to say [2:24:30, 2:24:33]: see us uh take a look at that at the retreat. [2:24:34, 2:24:46]: Okay, thank you Mr Alexander. We have one more thing. One of our popular items that we hear around here a lot is about an amphitheater and that's gonna be also presented by Councilman Alexander. [2:24:47, 2:25:07]: Yes, thank you so much. And I think the conversation that we had earlier speaks to these components. Uh we could we put them on the agenda to keep these to keep them alive, to make sure that they're always out there in the public forefront and that we plan on meeting with the citizens to discuss every single intricate. [2:25:07, 2:25:27]: detail of what you want to see in these particular projects. It is mandatory in terms of my opinion that during the charrette we understand what the public wants to see, that we take visits to campuses such as select uh suggested by uh community development director [2:25:26, 2:25:46]: to actually scout out what we want. I would even suggest is to go as far as to maybe add uh maybe the Main Street panel or the Downtown Development Authority to include them in these discussions and these trips so they can provide valuable input and it's not just geared toward the options that the council [2:25:46, 2:26:06]: would present that the whole process. We charge the Main Street Board and the Downtown Development Authority Board with um contributing and being uh volunteers uh to economic development and uh improvements in our city. They need to be at the table when these decisions [2:26:06, 2:26:26]: Are made on absolutely all of these projects. I think we uh kind of identified that we want the amphitheater to be uh on the ball field, which is back here behind uh City Hall, and I'm in agreement with Councilwoman Gantt that we have talked about these numerous times. We just need to put our foot in [2:26:26, 2:26:46]: the ground and to go ahead and to move forward with the master plan so we can have uh actual locations and designs and an actual footprint for all of these projects. You know, uh it could be easy for me to sit here and say, Okay, well let's wait to the retreat. Well we had a retreat [2:26:46, 2:26:48]: The last two years. [2:26:48, 2:27:08]: We have the same projects written down on those lists for the last two to three years, yet the i issue is there's been no follow through and there's been no action taken among those. We have the funding here in the city. We have uh in excess of fifteen million dollars in SWAT funds to move. [2:27:08, 2:27:28]: forward with these projects and I'm in agreement that that time has come now. The public has waited long enough for us to move forward and to make solid decisions on what we need to do uh with all of these projects. We we can be fiscally responsible and deliver these projects to you [2:27:28, 2:27:48]: One of the debates going on today is that we have in our city and with surrounding residents uh proposing a a new possible city is that we these amenities that should have been taken care of long time ago in the city have not been moved forward with. It is incumbent. [2:27:48, 2:28:08]: Upon this council at the retreat to set dates, certain times on all of these projects to move them forward this year after the retreat so we can make sure that we do not have any more slippage in time and that we deliver upon the promises that we have made to our [2:28:08, 2:28:09]: Yeah. [2:28:09, 2:28:15]: Thank you, Mr Alexander. Uh at this time we're gonna ask if we have any comments from our city clerk. [2:28:17, 2:28:28]: No, I have a comment on Mr. Alexander's discussion. Okay, I apologize. Um Mr. Blount wants to comment on Mr. Alexander's. Uh really quick, I just want to go back and let the citizens know. [2:28:28, 2:28:36]: that I agree with Mr. Alexander. We have identified funding for many projects in this city that are not moving forward. [2:28:37, 2:28:45]: And I call on staff and everybody that we've identified these projects to to move these projects forward wherever there's a hindrance. [2:28:46, 2:29:02]: I believe that this council, being the legislative branch of this city, we need to know what those hindrances are. So if we need to make a decision to get those projects moved forward, then those are the decisions we have to make. We was elected to progress this city in the best way we see uh fit. [2:29:03, 2:29:15]: With your input, with the citizens' input, and I believe that we need to move these uh projects forward. They have uh been identified, the funding has been identified, so now we need to find out where's the hindrance to these projects. [2:29:16, 2:29:19]: Okay, thank you Mr Blount. Now we'll go to the clerk. [2:29:20, 2:29:26]: Um thank you, Mayor. Uh and council, I just wanted to uh let the public know that next week [2:29:27, 2:29:37]: Monday through Friday, August twenty first through first through August twenty fifth, the city will be qualifying candidates for election for our municipal [2:29:37, 2:29:45]: election coming up in November and the times are eight thirty to four thirty. We'll be closed from one to two for lunch. Again that's next week. [2:29:46, 2:29:53]: Monday through Friday, August twenty first through August twenty fifth. All information is on our website. Thank you. [2:29:54, 2:30:06]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. At this time I'm gonna start down on this end, since we've heard Mr Alexander talk for a while and we're gonna come this way tonight. I'm gonna l uh start with Miss Robinson, if the council has comments. [2:30:07, 2:30:09]: Yeah. Yes, thank you, Mayor. [2:30:09, 2:30:23]: Um I wanna thank everyone for coming out. I do have a question. I was looking at our list and maybe the clerk can tell us is that overlay meeting gonna be here'cause it's on here twice. It gonna be here or the Ted Strickland. It's gonna be [2:30:25, 2:30:43]: All night it's here. Okay. Showing twice two different locations in the discussions. There there's a town hall which is for the D annexation, those meetings, and then there is the highway one hundred thirty eight overlay, those public hearings and [2:30:44, 2:30:48]: Uh we have two different things going on August the fifteenth. [2:30:48, 2:30:51]: I'm not sure about that. No. [2:30:51, 2:30:52]: Ted Strickland. [2:30:53, 2:31:04]: Right here. In the front it says overlay. Yeah, it's it the Ted Stri August fifteenth, City Hall. Then the second page it says overlay stakeholder meeting, same day at Ted Strickland. [2:31:05, 2:31:18]: So I just wanna make sure it is City Hall. Okay. August the third. Tomorrow it's definitely City Hall. Okay. Okay. So we're clear on that. City Hall. I just wanna thank everyone for coming out. Um [2:31:19, 2:31:39]: We have a lot of good things going on in the city. We just came back from our fall, um not our fall but our retreat, I mean our convention in Jekyll Island with um council, learned a lot of things, learned a lot of things about some of my colleagues, um and I appreciated that convention because it helped [2:31:39, 2:31:59]: with a lot of things to try to understand, you know, to listen to what our each person has to say when they're saying it. But also want to say to staff thank you so much because I know at one point we started this last year with our retreat but the funding just and wasn't out there. But now that the funding has come forth that we do [2:31:59, 2:32:19]: So I just thank each and every one of you for going through the process and I know now that we'll be able to move forward with a lot of projects. But it's you know, I just understand that there is a process and once we get through the process I know staff would definitely guide us and tell us what is next and what we need to do. [2:32:19, 2:32:25]: to do to move forward. So I just wanna say thank you to staff for working so hard on what you do each and every day. [2:32:27, 2:32:29]: Okay. Miss uh Gantt. [2:32:30, 2:32:50]: W well, um first I wanna thank everybody for coming out and then I wanna ask if we can move the meeting tomorrow to test Strickland if it's gonna be this hot in here. I don't see a reason to have our citizens in a sweat box. I'm sorry, it's hot folks. Um I I wanna uh want council hopefully you guys will consider that. [2:32:49, 2:33:09]: And we can put some uh maybe post it. I'm sure people would understand it's just one one block one walk away across the tracks and you know, at least let people allow people to be comfortable. So um that is a a big concern of mine. We've you know, this is pretty high. [2:33:09, 2:33:29]: hot. In addition to that, uh we did we actually went to Jeckwa Island for some great training, municipal training this past week and and it was awesome. Um you know in addition to that um we have all these community events and things that are going on [2:33:29, 2:33:33]: on and I just want to sincerely thank [2:33:33, 2:33:51]: each and every staff member for all the support and everything that you've provided. Um we've come a long way and it it it's it would continuing to grow. So just wanted to say thank you for attending and hopefully we will agree to move this meeting to tomorrow. [2:33:52, 2:33:59]: Mr. Fulwarden. Thank you, Mayor. Appreciate it. Uh I want to say that uh I look forward to the budget retreat in later on this week. [2:33:59, 2:34:19]: And I'm pretty sure we can come to some type of solution and make some things move forward for the FY twenty eighteen. I will say though the youth and center youth and senior center in a separate location outside of the cultural arts center will be a uh nice little discussion because I'm not totally sold on them being uh separated, but we'll we'll talk about it. [2:34:19, 2:34:39]: it obviously and we'll see. Outside of that, citizens I'm glad that uh you're here. Keep us keep engaged, keep the faith, uh believe in the city council, especially as we continue to um fight for the city, uh to protect our boundaries and our city borders and our city limits there against the proposed city Eagles landing. So um and we'll continue [2:34:39, 2:34:59]: to have these uh open forums and town halls to discuss that to get the information out there and we need your support on that as well uh because obviously I nor the council I will say is not in in in uh agreement with any de annexation and or losing our economic corridor that helps fund the city primarily. Uh so uh we're a sovereign city and we want [2:34:59, 2:35:00]: [9301.1, 9306.5]: uh with all the boundaries and then some additional boundaries for us per se as a group. [2:35:07, 2:35:09]: So um keep the faith. Thank you very much. [2:35:10, 2:35:11]: Mr. Blythe. [2:35:12, 2:35:32]: I concur with thanking everyone for coming out and those that are still viewing. Um as this city strive to uh continue in this economic uh uprise that we have uh for as our stability in this city, I would ask anyone that if you get anything in the mail pertaining to um the situation we have with [2:35:32, 2:35:52]: the deannexation um trying to be infiltrated in our in our city that you would send your paperwork in uh as soon as possible. We will have more literatures coming out. We will have more banners being we will have banners being put up and uh we're just in uh we're in the fight for what's right. And what's right is that we created this city. We created [2:35:52, 2:36:12]: the wealth in this city and we created we helped to bring business in this city and the citizens want to be in the city of Stockbridge. I live in the city of Eagles Landing myself and I was never asked if I wanted to be D annexed out of uh into uh another area. So I'm totally against it. I'm fighting for the city of Stockbridge. I asked everyone to [2:36:12, 2:36:20]: You continue to keep us in your prayers and fight for those issues that are more important most important to you and right now is to keep our city whole. [2:36:21, 2:36:27]: Yeah, I'd like to give Mr. Blount this uh opportunity to say he lives in the city of Stockbridge. [2:36:28, 2:36:29]: Stood of Eagles Landing. [2:36:30, 2:36:31]: Miss Smoke there. [2:36:32, 2:36:33]: Well that's the same. [2:36:34, 2:36:54]: I I just wanted to say tonight, uh I my heart is heavy and I'm sure everybody has been keeping up with the news in the last few days and the just the heinous acts that took place up in Charlottesville, Virginia. Um just a stain on America. And uh I was [2:36:54, 2:37:14]: I was encouraged to see the Islamic Society of South Atlanta come out tonight and give the invocation, sending out the message that the city of Stockbridge is a very inclusive community, uh welcoming all of our citizens and just knowing that we welcome everybody with open arms and we change. [2:37:14, 2:37:20]: every single citizen and every single religion uh in our community. [2:37:20, 2:37:40]: I just want to say to everyone, say a prayer for that young hero uh who gave her life uh being hit by a car in in a peaceful protest uh in the United States of of America. That's just totally unacceptable. And we should all just pray for her family and pray for [2:37:40, 2:37:55]: Pray for all of the victims uh that were um that were injured in the in this heinous attack and condemn and denounce that type of activity in the United States of America, here in Stockbridge and everywhere. [2:37:57, 2:38:17]: Thank you, Mr. Alexander. Um I do want to stress a couple of things um that are on the agenda. These are meeting dates, so if you did not pick up an agenda when you came in the room, be sure to pick one up as you leave and that will outline the f the future town hall meetings on the [2:38:17, 2:38:37]: issue of uh the proposed City of Eagles Landing to s to support the city's position that we win this battle. So we need everyone at every town hall meeting if you can attend and the next one uh coming up immediately will be on August the sixteenth this week. [2:38:37, 2:38:57]: And that won that one will be at Cannon Cleveland over in the Eagles Landing community at Cannon Cleveland on um North Henry and that will be it's next door to the Herbal Planet in the beautiful community room that they have there. So we would encourage everyone, especially those in Eagles Landing area, [2:38:57, 2:39:17]: to be in attendance. There will be another one of those the same type meetings here um in at the Global Impact Church and that will be on um the twenty second of August at six o'clock. All of'em start at six o'clock and that will be on [2:39:17, 2:39:37]: at one twenty five Red Oak Road and then we're gonna have our last one here at the City Hall on August thirtieth at three PM and I think you can see the passion from all of our members of council that this is a very important um time for the city of Stockbridge. We have [2:39:37, 2:39:57]: We have a great position. We have the support of all of the rest of Georgia cities through our GMA partners who will be lobbying for us. So we invite the public to come out and to learn more about this issue and learn the facts as we know them as prepared by our financial. [2:39:57, 2:39:59]: Financial treasurer. [2:39:59, 2:40:08]: Uh at this time I need to ask our city attorney if we have an executive session need. Yes, ma'am, for litigation, personnel and real estate. [2:40:08, 2:40:14]: All right. Do I hear a a motion for litigation personnel and real estate? [2:40:15, 2:40:22]: So I move that we go into executive session for the purpose of real estate, personnel and litigation. [2:40:22, 2:40:23]: You are here a second. [2:40:24, 2:40:24]: Second. [2:40:24, 2:40:29]: We have a motion and a second to go into executive session. Any discussion. [2:40:30, 2:40:34]: No discussion. All in favor, please raise your hand. [2:40:34, 2:40:54]: Mayor Neal, real quick, I just received a message back from the events manager and the meeting will be at the Ted Strickland tomorrow. That's what I thought. All right. For those of you who heard um mention about the one thirty eight overlay meeting tomorrow night, which will be on the fifteenth [2:40:54, 2:41:14]: Um that meeting will be at the Ted Strickland Center. Lucky you, it's cool over there. And that will start at six thirty. So we appreciate uh everybody being here. Those who are in attendance if you want to wait, we will be back out after the executive session. We again apologize [2:41:14, 2:41:21]: for the air conditioning issue tonight and we are going to have that fixed on Wednesday. Thank you. [2:41:23, 2:41:26]: We're taking our executive session downstairs. [2:41:27, 2:41:28]: Did we vote on this yet? [2:41:28, 2:41:32]: We have discussed it. All in favor of our executive session. [2:41:34, 2:41:35]: El Elton. Okay. [2:41:35, 2:41:39]: We have a five zero vote for executive session. Thank you. [2:41:51, 2:41:52]: Yes it does. [2:42:01, 2:42:04]: Do we have to come back up to adjourn? [2:42:05, 2:42:09]: Then do we have to come back up to it during the [2:42:09, 2:42:11]: We do. So we're coming back. [2:42:31, 2:42:33]: Don't be strange to do it. [2:44:04, 2:44:06]: Yeah, well that's the [2:44:25, 2:44:26]: [9914.4, 9915.1]: [2:45:15, 2:45:18]: Eu acho que eu vou ficar. [2:47:25, 2:47:37]: Uh-huh. They don't need to get out there. Right. These things never stop working. [2:47:38, 2:47:40]: [10069.6, 10079.6]: But quite a lot of plenty of one of the buildings, everything built the water won't come towards the building.