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--- title: Planning Commission date: 2023-09-28 source: 2023-09-28_Planning_Commission.wav --- [0:02:02, 0:02:08]: I gotta be watching this because it normally shuts off several times and I gotta [0:02:09, 0:02:11]: Go through the steps again to get it going. [0:02:15, 0:02:20]: Oh, design taking notes. [0:03:10, 0:03:22]: Did you put those oh yeah you put the gems right there. This look does this look like fifty people, it might be. More might come. [0:03:23, 0:03:25]: I have that. [0:03:26, 0:03:35]: When I'm trying to get set up citizens of political school, when I'm trying to get the features where it is. [0:03:48, 0:03:49]: Yeah, it's fine. [0:03:50, 0:03:50]: Yeah. [0:03:51, 0:03:55]: Need to be here an hour before the meeting starts. [0:04:01, 0:04:12]: Good evening. Uh the Planning Commission is called to order. Turn your mic on. Good evening. The Planning Commission is called to order. [0:04:18, 0:04:20]: Mr. Thibodeau, would you give us an invocation, please? [0:04:24, 0:04:34]: Let's bow our head. God the Father through Jesus Christ, bless all the people here and grant us the understanding to make the correct decisions for the citizens. [0:04:35, 0:04:43]: and give us the understanding of what we must do towards the citizens of Stockbridge. In Jesus' name, amen. [0:04:43, 0:04:44]: Yeah. [0:04:46, 0:04:48]: Everybody rise and face the flag. [0:04:50, 0:05:03]: I pledge allegiance to the full flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [0:05:12, 0:05:17]: Mr. Logan, would you give us a roll call please? Yes. Uh Abdullah? [0:05:17, 0:05:18]: President. [0:05:18, 0:05:19]: Stanley Dumbest? [0:05:20, 0:05:20]: President. [0:05:21, 0:05:22]: Uh Harold Thibodeau. [0:05:22, 0:05:23]: President. [0:05:24, 0:05:26]: David Planchon. Present. [0:05:27, 0:05:28]: Anthony Mitten. [0:05:30, 0:05:31]: Jaden Williams. Present. [0:05:32, 0:05:34]: Mr. Chairman, you have a quorum. [0:05:34, 0:05:35]: Thank you. [0:05:40, 0:05:44]: I'd ask the uh commission members to read the previous uh [0:05:44, 0:05:46]: Agenda. [0:05:47, 0:05:51]: From I believe it's the twenty fourth, August twenty fourth. [0:05:53, 0:05:57]: Identify any changes, amendments, et cetera contained therein. [0:06:00, 0:06:05]: Mr. Chairman, um you skipped item number five. Did I? [0:06:06, 0:06:10]: I'm sorry, adopt move we I have a motion to adopt the agenda. [0:06:11, 0:06:12]: Today's agenda. [0:06:14, 0:06:15]: Motion to adopt, Mr. Chair. [0:06:16, 0:06:17]: That's second. [0:06:18, 0:06:25]: Be moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed, aye is have it. The motion is carried. [0:06:34, 0:06:42]: What Mr. Logan has requested, one, that all mics are on, and two, that you identify yourself when you make a motion or su or second it. [0:06:43, 0:06:46]: Yeah, Williams motion. Pardon me? [0:06:47, 0:06:49]: I did. Uh Jaden Williams made the motion. [0:06:49, 0:06:51]: Stanley Doom a second. [0:06:59, 0:07:03]: Have um a motion to approve the meeting uh minutes of August twenty fourth. [0:07:07, 0:07:15]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchon. Unless anybody in our audience wishes to have it read, I would like to make a motion we approve it as submitted. [0:07:16, 0:07:25]: May I have a second? Second. Jaden Williams. Then move to second. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed. [0:07:26, 0:07:41]: Before we get started, I'd like to read uh some hearing rules for this evening. Uh first of all, please mute all cell phones and other electronic devices. If anyone wishes to speak tonight on a public hearing item, please fill out a form available on the table. [0:07:41, 0:07:44]: And handed to the city clerk before approaching the podium. [0:07:45, 0:08:05]: After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant or their representative regarding the proposed plan for property, along with any other relevant information. The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor or opposed to the case will have the opportunity. [0:08:05, 0:08:08]: Opportunity to do so, each side would be allotted ten minutes total. [0:08:09, 0:08:12]: Additional time may be extended at the discretion of council. [0:08:13, 0:08:19]: Please keep comments and presentations professional, referring only to the facts that are pertinent in the case. [0:08:19, 0:08:24]: We will not allow comments on personal or or personal attacks toward any individual or group. [0:08:24, 0:08:28]: Please refrain from any applause or comments from the audience during the public hearing. [0:08:28, 0:08:34]: After the presiding officer recognizes speaker, he or she shall direct all comments to the presiding officer. [0:08:34, 0:08:40]: And never to members of the council, staff, or the audience. All comments will be made from the podium. [0:08:40, 0:08:43]: Where you would be required to state your name and address for the record. [0:08:44, 0:08:46]: Please note that these hearings are not a debate. [0:08:47, 0:08:58]: Failure to comply will cause you to be removed from the chamber and the building by law enforcement if you deviate from these proceedings. Other than the applicant, no one may speak more than once. The applicant may be [0:08:58, 0:09:14]: reserve part of his or her speaking time at a refor as a rebuttal, and may speak next and last, and may use the entire ten minutes allowed for the pro side of the application. If questions are raised, the council may ask the applicant to address questions andor comments. [0:09:15, 0:09:17]: Presiding officer will call for a motion. [0:09:17, 0:09:20]: And a second to the motion and have any necessary discussion. [0:09:21, 0:09:26]: If the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for a vote to recommend approval or denial. [0:09:27, 0:09:31]: Additionally, we have a letter here that I'd like to read into the record. [0:09:32, 0:09:40]: It is from a Miss Ann Fields of three twenty-nine Chase, Mary and Wade, McDonald, Georgia, three oh two five three, Eagle Crest, Henry County Unincorporated Plan. [0:09:41, 0:09:43]: She provides a telephone number which I will not read. [0:09:44, 0:09:50]: Good evening. I'm requesting that the Planning Commission deny the request to rezone the high density residential. [0:09:50, 0:09:56]: The existing plan as it is presented has many concerns in addition to what I'd like to [0:09:57, 0:10:01]: verbalized as concerns on the development of that property overall. [0:10:03, 0:10:06]: She goes into specifics, etcetera, but she does not identify. [0:10:07, 0:10:10]: Which zoning application she's referring to? [0:10:10, 0:10:15]: But for the benefit of the public and her, I want to acknowledge that she did tender a letter to the council. [0:10:15, 0:10:16]: Opposing [0:10:17, 0:10:19]: Whatever, I don't I'm not sure. [0:10:20, 0:10:21]: That being said. [0:10:24, 0:10:27]: Final plot approval for town homes, item number seven. [0:10:27, 0:10:31]: at the bridges of Jodico Development, Council District five. [0:10:41, 0:10:42]: Ms. Logan? [0:10:47, 0:10:48]: Item seven. [0:10:52, 0:10:55]: You have to read it, Chairman. You have to read it. [0:10:57, 0:10:59]: Yeah, yeah. What else is that? [0:11:06, 0:11:07]: Pardon me? [0:11:32, 0:11:35]: You see that? I'm not seeing uh [0:11:45, 0:12:02]: Can I clarify the letter? Ma'am, you can't stand up right now. This was You have to you out of order, ma'am. You have to have it. This is what the information is. Okay, ma'am. [0:12:29, 0:12:31]: Item number seven on the agenda is compar uh [0:12:33, 0:12:36]: It says to be presented by the community development staff. [0:12:38, 0:12:42]: It says below but to be presented by the community development staff. [0:12:43, 0:12:44]: Yeah, but not really into the record. [0:12:47, 0:12:53]: All right, final plot approval for town homes at the bridges at Jodico Development, Council District Five. [0:13:06, 0:13:07]: Do you see that? [0:13:08, 0:13:09]: Yes. [0:13:41, 0:13:43]: The staff is gonna have to uh [0:13:48, 0:13:51]: Yeah, yeah, they got a little more than that. [0:13:52, 0:13:53]: Let me talk to her. [0:13:56, 0:13:59]: Mr. Logan, may I speak to you for a minute? May I speak with you? [0:14:16, 0:14:18]: Yeah. [0:14:19, 0:14:19]: It's all [0:14:20, 0:14:26]: We don't have a presentation. This is just for your for your information. This is for you to come. [0:14:26, 0:14:30]: Chairman Abula, just move to the next item please, and we'll come back to th that one next. [0:14:32, 0:14:33]: Okay. [0:14:39, 0:14:40]: I don't mean [0:14:40, 0:15:00]: Zoning modification case number ZM two oh two three-one. Council District 5 considered a request for a change in zoning for a modification to amend Bridget of Jodico conceptual plan to allow multifamily residential development in part A and to allow senior family residential in part B identified by parcel number 055. [0:15:00, 0:15:20]: The property had 14.63 plus or minus acres and is accessed via 10 Parkway and Guento Drive and landlots 7778 and 83 of District 6. Applicant by Michelle Y. Sadi. [0:15:20, 0:15:24]: Member Applicant of Southern Consulting Services Inc., owner. [0:15:33, 0:15:45]: Thank you, uh Chair Chairman Abdullah. Um my name is Gordon Linton, Planner One for the City of Stockbridge, and I'm here to to present the case for ZM twenty twenty-three-zero one. [0:15:51, 0:16:11]: The case facts the applicant is Michelle Y Sali of Southern Consultant Services Inc. The owner is uh Jodico one five eight LLC and is the request a change in the zoning modification to amend the bridges of Jodico conceptual plan to allow senior family residential in POD B and to allow [0:16:11, 0:16:21]: Multifamily residential development in Pod A. Please note that this is not a rezona case, but rather a change to the uh Bridges of Judico concept plan. [0:16:22, 0:16:42]: The address of the property is twenty-two forty-five Jodeco Road. The number of acres is fourteen point six three zero acres. And the city land use designation is PTD, Plant Town Development District, and it is governed by the design guidelines of the Jodeco Concept, South Concept Plan. [0:16:46, 0:16:52]: This is the aerial photo of the property and highlighted by the star that's where the that's where it's gonna be. [0:16:58, 0:17:02]: That is the zoning map of the area, which is zone PUD. [0:17:04, 0:17:05]: And that's location. [0:17:10, 0:17:14]: That's the Parkway mixes overlay district map as well. [0:17:21, 0:17:41]: The bridges of Jolico Side Plan. The bridges the bridges of Jolico Side Plan consisted of approximately 724,000 square feet of commercial space, which included the following three retail superstores, specialty retail, restaurants, gas stations, a bank, grocery store, and a daycare facility. [0:17:41, 0:18:00]: The original site plan of the mixed-use development included two hotel rooms, which 110 rooms and 120 rooms, 615 multifamily residential units, 300 standalone structures and 300 above commercial, and 14.5 acres of open space. [0:18:03, 0:18:10]: That's the another side plan up the uh bridges of Jolico again. And that's where the location was. [0:18:16, 0:18:20]: The new conceptual side plan of Bridges of Jellico, the revised [0:18:21, 0:18:41]: The revised site plan the applicant has provided shows the 12-story hotel and the out parcels, which are approximately 125,000 square feet. The out parcels included a 35,000 square foot office space and other recreational uses. The site plan shows the approved 306 multifamily units and the approved 130,000. [0:18:41, 0:19:01]: 35 townhomes. The applicant proposes to build a multifamily residential development with 219 multifamily units. The addition of the proposed 219 multifamily units will bring the total to 660 units. The proposed changes to the bridges of Jolico are still below the approved DRI for both. [0:19:01, 0:19:02]: Both the total square footage. [0:19:03, 0:19:10]: and number of units for the development. Thus the proposed zoning modification will not have a negative impact. [0:19:18, 0:19:32]: The project information, the applicant proposes to build an apartment with two hundred and nineteen units. In addition, the side plan shows the development will include forty parking garages, amenity area, a clubhouse, and a dog park. [0:19:34, 0:19:35]: And that's the side plan right there. [0:19:40, 0:20:00]: Staff analysis. The reasonable of the applicant's requests. The applicant's request to amend the Bridges of Jodico's conceptual plan is reasonable and practical. The original site plan included approximately 724,000 square feet of commercial space, which included the following: three retail superstores, specially retailed. [0:20:00, 0:20:20]: Retail, restaurants, gas station, a bank, grocery store, and a daycare facility. The original site plan of the mixed-use development included two hotel rooms, 110 rooms and 120 rooms, 615 multifamily residential units, 300 standard structures, and 300 above commercial, and 145 [0:20:20, 0:20:40]: Acres of open space. However, the updated site plan the applicant provided shows the approved 12-story hotel and the eye parcels, which are approximately 125,000 square feet. The odd parcels include a 35,000 square foot office space and other recreational use. The site plan shows the approved 360, [0:20:40, 0:20:53]: multifamily unit and the approved 135 townhomes. The proposed changes will not affect the overall square footage and number of units for the development. Therefore, it is reasonable to grant the request. [0:20:59, 0:21:19]: Suitability for the proposed development. The granting of the applicant's request to change the location of the multifamily residential unit in Part A and to allow senior family residential Part B to, as is shown by the submitted conceptual plan, is suitable and feasible. It is better to have an increase in density to support the overall project. [0:21:19, 0:21:21]: and enhanced economic development activities. [0:21:23, 0:21:43]: Number three, if facts on the surrounding properties and infrastructure. The granting of the applicant's request to change the location of the multifamily residential in POP A and to allow senior family residential in pod B will not have a negative impact on the community. The project is compatible with the overall community and surrounded areas. [0:21:43, 0:21:50]: Proposed changes will serve as a catalyst to attract additional high end retail and commercial establishments to the area. [0:21:52, 0:22:02]: Staff recommendation. This staff report has demonstrated that the applicant's proposed location will be acceptable. The staff recommends approval of the zoning modification request. [0:22:06, 0:22:07]: That's the end of the presentation. [0:22:25, 0:22:28]: Any questions by uh planning commission members? [0:22:33, 0:22:36]: Guess the question I would have, does this require a public hearing? [0:22:38, 0:22:41]: Uh, I don't think so. It's just an amendment. [0:22:41, 0:22:43]: Public comments. [0:22:59, 0:23:02]: This is just an amendment uh moving some [0:23:03, 0:23:05]: Trump is around. Yes. From A to B. Yeah. [0:23:13, 0:23:14]: Any questions? [0:23:19, 0:23:20]: Pardon me? [0:23:31, 0:23:32]: Oh no problem. [0:23:40, 0:23:55]: I was directing the the question to Mr. Linton and basically this is a movement, a reconfiguration of the property. So it's not that we're changing the zoning or increasing the density. We're just simply reconfiguring the project. Yes, sir. [0:24:02, 0:24:04]: Any questions? May I have a motion? [0:24:05, 0:24:06]: Public comments. [0:24:08, 0:24:10]: While the staff is drawn, do you [0:24:11, 0:24:12]: Open for public comment. [0:24:14, 0:24:17]: All those and anyone here who supports the project. [0:24:20, 0:24:22]: Anyone here who opposes the project? [0:24:24, 0:24:30]: Have you filled out a seat? If you fill out a seat you could you may approach the podium, tender it to the clerk. [0:24:30, 0:24:30]: Mm-hmm. [0:24:32, 0:24:33]: Sony modification. [0:24:35, 0:24:40]: What issue are we talking about again? Again it's been very hard to hear. [0:24:47, 0:24:49]: Well that you can't hear? [0:24:50, 0:24:51]: You can't hear? [0:24:54, 0:24:54]: Okay. [0:24:56, 0:25:10]: I asked Mr. Linton, the project, the the the proposed amendment here is simply a reconfiguration of the project. It's not requiring the zoning amendment. Councilman Abdul excuse excuse me. Sure. The applicant has to come up and speak first. Okay. [0:25:11, 0:25:21]: Um simply asking uh to for clarification for Mr. Linton that this is really a reconfiguration of the project and not a change, a significant change of anything. [0:25:23, 0:25:26]: We have the applicant present. Yes, sir. [0:25:33, 0:25:53]: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm Jeff Grant. We actually own the property there at Jodico 158. And you are correct. This is not here for a rezoning modification of any type. All we have done when this was was originally approved with the DRI and with Goethe and with the uh city council. Um there was a site plan that was generated. [0:25:53, 0:26:13]: And that things have changed somewhat, but we have not exceeded um any of those errors that were originally approved. It is just basically what we're redoing is reconfiguring where we're placing the residential uh as opposed to the original site plan. It's changed somewhat. And it's it's something that we thought uh [0:26:13, 0:26:30]: Um it probably wasn't necessary, but we would like to go ahead and bring it forward to the council. Um I I don't think it makes um I I think it makes better sense the way we're reconfiguring this thing. I think it flows better. And um and that's really the reason we asked for that modification. [0:26:31, 0:26:32]: Okay. [0:26:33, 0:26:36]: Any questions from the Planning Commission? [0:26:37, 0:26:41]: You know, we'll open it to um public comment. Yes, sir. [0:26:45, 0:26:52]: Anyone who opposes the project, if you filled out a sheet and tendered it to the clerk, kindly approach the podium. [0:26:54, 0:26:56]: Provide us with your name and address. [0:26:56, 0:27:01]: My name is Ann Fields and the clerk has my paper already. Okay. [0:27:01, 0:27:08]: I'm actually here to speak on a different matter. So my only concern with this change would be that we've been promised [0:27:10, 0:27:14]: Exponentially, verbally, and in writing for a long time. [0:27:15, 0:27:28]: Um certain businesses I don't think any of us would be opposed to an yet another hotel not showing up, but the businesses that are committed, obviously Costco's not coming out of this mess because they've already started construction. [0:27:29, 0:27:31]: But Sprouts was committed to come and [0:27:31, 0:27:46]: You know, we were kind of interested in a sprouts something for this community as a whole, we would like to have better amenities in the in the stores where we would make our purchases. We already have Kroger's and Publix and Walmart. [0:27:46, 0:27:51]: But the Trader Joe's or the Sprouts variety of things, um, whole foods type of situation. [0:27:52, 0:28:06]: Many, many residents are asking for those types of products in in our it's so that we can make our purchases from those companies. So if this plan is changing the commitment of any of those vendors. [0:28:07, 0:28:08]: I think it [0:28:09, 0:28:11]: should be further discussed. [0:28:12, 0:28:13]: Sprouts is coming. [0:28:13, 0:28:20]: If if I may, and I I I I probably didn't do as good a job as I should have. [0:28:20, 0:28:32]: But no, uh to let everybody know, Sprouts is coming. Uh Sprouts uh as a matter of fact, I can give you a rundown right now th of what we expect uh to have out there right now. At present Sprouts is coming. We've got the [0:28:33, 0:28:45]: You've probably read about the new Chick-fil-A model that's coming in. That'll be the first one in the country. It's gonna be there. And you've got Starbucks, you got Chipotle. Uh you've got Whataburger, which would be the first one here on the south side. [0:28:45, 0:28:49]: Uh we got simple salad, uh we've got a bank coming in. [0:28:50, 0:28:53]: Uh Bahama Breeze is coming in. Um [0:28:53, 0:29:13]: We've got two other restaurants that we're talking to that we we feel like is going to be coming in also. So um I and I and I apologize, I probably should have been a little bit clearer to everybody, but Sprouts is definitely coming in. They've we've already committed and we'll actually start construction on Sprouts probably this in the next two two to three weeks. Um and so [0:29:13, 0:29:19]: Yeah, nothing has changed from what we have said. All we have done in this whole modification is actually just [0:29:19, 0:29:34]: taking the residential and shifting from one area to another to to actually make better sense where it flows better for the commercial development. As far as the hotel, there will be instead of having two hotels, you're gonna have the first twelve story hotel in this county. [0:29:35, 0:29:55]: Um it will be the you'll have the um it's more of a condo hotel. You'll have the bottom four floors will be your hotel, the fifth through tenth floor will actually be condos and the eleventh and twelfth floor is office space, so there will be a rooftop bar with a rooftop restaurant. And we expect to brand that with a [0:29:54, 0:30:14]: a very brand name steakhouse and a name that everybody will recognize. So um we are dedicated a and l and just for the record, I I I need to tell everybody this. I've been here, I've lived in this county all my life. I've lived matter of fact right here with City Hall sitting, is where I was raised and born at. And we sold three of our property to the city [0:30:14, 0:30:25]: To build City Hall. So my family's been here since the government gave land grants. I've got the original land grant that he's signed by John Quincy Adams, and my family was given the property here in Henry County. [0:30:26, 0:30:36]: We're one of the largest landowners in Henry County and I I'm proud to say that I'm from this county and I and quite frankly I want this to be a nice development. And so I hope my neighbors realize [0:30:36, 0:30:43]: the efforts and time we've put into this has not been easy. And we're going through COVID and with the changes we've had to go through. [0:30:44, 0:31:02]: Um it's been exceptionally hard, but I can assure'em this much that when we get through it, it's gonna be a nice development. It's not gonna be what you typically see in Henry County. So there's gonna be some different stores you've seen and different restaurants that we don't have here on the South Side. And we're we're making an effort. We could have already sold this out [0:31:02, 0:31:20]: um to the standard stuff you do see and we're turning out a lot of vendors because we want something to be a little different here. And so I hope when we get through I can stand back up here before you and I'll tell you that the sprouts that everybody's want we want the same thing. I that's something I totally agree with her. And so um [0:31:21, 0:31:30]: I I think what I want everybody to understand is we're we're not here for a rezoning and the promises we made they're still in place. They're not gonna change. All we're simply asking for is [0:31:31, 0:31:34]: The senior housing and the way this thing was rigid designed [0:31:35, 0:31:37]: Would have been in a different area. [0:31:37, 0:31:46]: The senior housing developer that we've met with has asked that look, they would rather the seniors would rather be across the creek where it's not as busy and you've got that wooded buffer between'em. [0:31:47, 0:31:56]: And you know, a and it made sense to us. You know, I I think that perfectly makes sense. Whereas your your your parlor's and your townhouses and your villas back behind it here [0:31:57, 0:32:05]: There's it's a different type group. And so all we're asking to do is just shift things around a little bit. We're not asking for any more than what we've already been approved for. [0:32:06, 0:32:26]: So let me suggest something to you. Uh people seem seem to be concerned about who's coming in and what uh uh businesses are going to reside there. Um if you get an opportunity, what I would do is I would post the businesses tentatively coming so there'd be no question about who's there. And so you [0:32:25, 0:32:36]: you wouldn't have this conflict about whether or not Sprouts or any other entity is coming in because it'll be posted, Hey, we've got this is a done deal, they're coming. It's a matter of construction. [0:32:37, 0:32:57]: It it is and and and and Mr. Chairman, you're absolutely correct. When we're when when we are actually allowed to do so, I promise you we'll be it will be posted like a a crow sitting on this on a on the set to crow his morning uh call. Uh a lot of these when they come in when you when you first strike deals with them, we're under an NDA where a lot of times we can't. [0:32:57, 0:33:04]: Can't talk about what's coming in. And and it's unfortunate, but in this co in the corporate world, the way it is and way it's structured. [0:33:04, 0:33:08]: Um we we're not allowed at times to talk about to a certain point. [0:33:09, 0:33:20]: And so but now once that happens and I can tell you that uh with Sprouts, I'm I'm able to tell you tonight that Sprouts is coming in because I we finally got everything inked done and and it's uh um [0:33:21, 0:33:28]: that's a certain deal that that will be coming. So I can talk about that tonight. Okay. So uh no sir, but I but I can assure you [0:33:28, 0:33:29]: Um [0:33:29, 0:33:43]: When we find there there's some details coming that I'm excited about and I promise you i um I think uh um it will be well known uh when these happen and I and I certainly appreciate your time. Okay, thank you. Yes, sir, thank you. [0:33:47, 0:33:56]: Is there anyone present who opposes I mean who supports the project? We've heard from the po pipa uh in opposition. Is anyone here who supports the project? [0:33:59, 0:34:01]: Any comments from the sir? [0:34:05, 0:34:07]: Have you fill out a uh a form? [0:34:10, 0:34:12]: Approach the uh podium. [0:34:22, 0:34:31]: Please provide us with your name and address, please. Sure. My name is Robin. Would you speak so we c so we can hear you? Sorry. Step closer to the mic to your to your left. To your left is a mic. [0:34:31, 0:34:51]: Thank you. Much better. Um, my first name is Robert. My last name is Lopez. Uh I reside at eight five one Chase Trail, McDonald, Georgia, three oh two five three. I believe me in Stockbridge for about twenty eight years. Pull the mic closer to your mouth, please. Yeah. I've been residing at um Stockbridge for about twenty twenty-eight years. [0:34:51, 0:35:11]: And I'm glad to say I'm also a senior now as well. And I welcome the project as presented today. And I'm so happy to see the new source coming into the area. So I don't have to travel elsewhere. So I appreciate that very much. Um there's other things I want to talk about, but not specifically on this particular traffic, so I can [0:35:11, 0:35:14]: I would like to come back and talk about the as well. [0:35:15, 0:35:17]: All right, thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. [0:35:21, 0:35:23]: Any comments from the uh commissions? [0:35:25, 0:35:26]: Commission comments. [0:35:28, 0:35:32]: Mr. Lopez, did you fill out a sheet? We don't seem to have it here. [0:36:07, 0:36:10]: Anyone else? Yes, ma'am. [0:36:20, 0:36:40]: Good evening. My name is Kaisha Holmes and I reside at 124 Eagles Crest Lane in McDonough, Henry County. I've lived there for 17 and a half years. Um, retired from the military and plan to finish paying for my home and stay in Henry County. [0:36:39, 0:36:43]: County. But so my concern, I don't think that um [0:36:44, 0:36:59]: A lot of people here are concerned with the vendors necessarily that are coming as long as like sprouts in them are coming. Um for me it's about the traffic that it's gonna bring. We only have one way traffic. [0:36:59, 0:37:05]: Um, on Jodico Road. Are they planning to do anything with the roads to make that better? [0:37:08, 0:37:11]: The applicant will approach the podium, please. [0:37:14, 0:37:15]: That's actually a great question. [0:37:15, 0:37:35]: Uh y yes, as far as the roads, there there'll be a four-lane that if you'll notice there's gonna be the what's called the West Parallel Connector. It will connect all the way from Jonesboro Road all the way up to Eagles Landing Parkway. It's a four-lane that's gonna be going through. It's a state project. Now we've put our portion of it in already, and it will tie in and come back out on the [0:37:35, 0:37:55]: Jonesboro Road all the way through to Eagles Landing Parkway. And if you'll notice the way ours is designed, ours is is really designed for traffic flow. And we've got uh probably another right-in, right out we're gonna have, or right out we're gonna have. But uh, but that is that you'll see there is a four-lane that's gonna go all the way from Jonesboro Road to [0:37:55, 0:37:59]: Eagles Landing Parkway on the west side. Thank you. [0:37:59, 0:38:19]: So um when is the road work supposed to get started? Yeah. Well our our portion from uh from from our property from uh on Jodico all the way up me from the south end of our property, which is um I guess right there at the church, up to Jodico, we just finished paving the last section of [0:38:19, 0:38:22]: that uh day before yesterday. [0:38:22, 0:38:38]: So our portion is gonna be ready. You know, we we we've got a red light going in there at Jodico, we got a red light going in intern internally on our property as well. And then you've got the wet go road what we call uh Argento Drive that goes east and west through the property that that actually also um [0:38:39, 0:38:42]: connects over to um Chambers Road. [0:38:42, 0:39:02]: as well. So we've we've made this where it's gonna help eliminate a lot of that traffic in these congested areas. Um and I I think if you see the road plan, road design, uh we were commended by Goethe uh for the road design work we had done on this thing. And it was we spent a lot of money on the traffic studies as well. Now the four lane going north [0:39:02, 0:39:22]: of from our from Jodeco to Eagles Land and Parkway, that's being the acquisitions of that are being acquired as we speak. And I think they're they're planning on starting construction on that next spring. And so and then from our south of our property to Jonesboro, there's already a two-lane road there. And that will be widened to a four-lane as well. [0:39:22, 0:39:27]: I think it also starts at about the same time frame next next year. Okay. Thank you. [0:39:29, 0:39:29]: Sorry. [0:39:30, 0:39:50]: One more question. Um, so I understand the roadway stuff, but um what about the fact that we already have like two new um townhome complexes, if you will, at each end of Jodico right now, and they're proposing to put [0:39:50, 0:39:51]: Yeah. [0:39:51, 0:40:11]: Is that right? They're putting up more townhomes, um, multifamily homes. Which is gonna bring more people, which nobody's moved into those new town homes at each end of Johtocote so far that I'm aware of, which is already gonna be added traffic plus [0:40:11, 0:40:21]: than the ones that you guys are building, that's even more traffic. Even with the new road work, it's still gonna be excuse my French. [0:40:21, 0:40:29]: Oh, I'm sorry. It's still gonna be crazy in our our neighborhoods and I for one won't be able to get to work. [0:40:30, 0:40:38]: Thing is, I think he he's pointed out that there will be traffic regulations there. And so I'm sure the traffic study has taken that in consideration. [0:40:40, 0:40:42]: Okay. [0:40:43, 0:40:43]: Right. [0:40:48, 0:40:49]: Anyone else? [0:40:50, 0:40:51]: Time has expired. [0:40:58, 0:41:00]: Commission members, any questions? [0:41:02, 0:41:04]: Any questions? May I have a motion. [0:41:05, 0:41:10]: Mr. Chairman Dave Planchon, I'd like to make a motion we accept this project as submitted. [0:41:11, 0:41:12]: Yeah, a second. [0:41:12, 0:41:14]: Harold of second. [0:41:15, 0:41:22]: It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed, ayes have it. The motion is carried. [0:41:23, 0:41:34]: Mr. Chairman, can you please go back to item number seven, please? Sure. And uh Mr. Chairman, before we move forward, I do have one request. Is it possible for us to get a copy of that traffic study? [0:41:40, 0:41:41]: Thank you so much. [0:41:44, 0:41:46]: Yes, we are, ma'am. Ma'am, you have you out of order? [0:41:51, 0:41:59]: Final plot approval for town houses at the Bridge of Jodico Development Council District Five to presented by community development staff. [0:42:02, 0:42:03]: So this is the [0:42:06, 0:42:10]: Um this is the copy of the plat. [0:42:15, 0:42:16]: Yeah. [0:42:26, 0:42:28]: That's the uh copy of the uh townhomes. [0:42:35, 0:42:40]: Ma'am, you have it or you can't you have to decide. [0:42:41, 0:42:45]: That's the town. These are the uh towns that are featured in the plat. [0:42:50, 0:42:52]: This is our in an approved project. Um [0:42:54, 0:43:02]: This is our in an approved project, Chairman Abdullah. Uh it's just bringing this before the uh Planning Commission to get the Planning Commission's recommendation. [0:43:04, 0:43:06]: Plat for the the townhomes of Johtoco. [0:43:12, 0:43:21]: It's part of the original plan that you just approved. So they we didn't have any text when I first called it out. Go ahead. We we went again. All right, go ahead. [0:43:24, 0:43:26]: Pull it. [0:43:26, 0:43:27]: Uh [0:43:29, 0:43:30]: Just [0:43:31, 0:43:35]: Is the applicant here when you're talking about the easier art we don't come up and talk? [0:43:38, 0:43:45]: for clarification for the for the uh audience, this is part of item eight really. [0:43:46, 0:44:06]: It it is. It is, Mr. Chairman. This is just the the the this has already actually been developed, the roads and all are in. This is actually just for the plat approval uh from the board that we have the process we have to go through. We're not asking for any more. That's uh this is already built. I mean, as far as the infrastructure, excuse me. The roads and infrastructure are already in. [0:44:08, 0:44:14]: So this is here just for approval. Yes, sir. Just for plan approval sorry, plan approval. [0:44:20, 0:44:26]: This is um part of eight that we've discussed already. [0:44:27, 0:44:27]: Yeah. [0:44:31, 0:44:47]: It's in council district five. Uh we've discussed the modification, the changes in the configuration of uh the plot. And this is simply an aspect of it. And so I'd ask for a motion from council members. [0:44:48, 0:44:49]: Mr. Chair. [0:44:49, 0:44:54]: I'll make a motion that we accept the final plat approval for the townhomes at Bridges at Jotaco. [0:44:56, 0:44:59]: You provide Miss Logan with your name? I don't know. [0:44:59, 0:45:00]: Uh Jaden Williams motion. [0:45:01, 0:45:06]: Okay. Second. And I'm Harold, I'll second it. Did you get that, Miss Logan? [0:45:08, 0:45:17]: All right, it's been moved and second. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Ayes have it. Motion is approved. [0:45:20, 0:45:27]: Uh next item on the agenda is item nine, rezoning case number RZ two oh two three-two council district four. [0:45:28, 0:45:44]: Consideration of a request to request for rezoning to rezone three parcels on the north side of Valley Hill Road from Railroad or Rural Residential to C one Neighborhood Commercial to allow for the development of a single family detached residential subdivision. [0:45:44, 0:46:04]: The applicant agent is Yvette Morrison, representing a developer builder. The property contains three parcels on Valley Hill Road, as are listed below in lots ninety-two of District twelve with seventeen point zero six plus or minor ac minus acres and within the stock bridge city limits. [0:46:04, 0:46:23]: Valley Hill Road parcel number S090601000 contains 2.2492 plus or minus inches. I mean pfft acres. Zone rural residential. 264 Valley Hill Road parcel. [0:46:24, 0:46:44]: SO eight dash zero one zero ten thousand contains six point five two five four plus or minus acres zone rural residential and parcel SO eight zero one zero two thousand twenty thousand contains eight. [0:46:44, 0:46:53]: Plus or minus zone C1 Neighborhood Commercial, presented by the community development staff. [0:46:53, 0:47:01]: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As he mentioned earlier, uh we are pr this is the presentation for RZ twenty twenty three dash zero two. [0:47:10, 0:47:27]: The case facts the applicant is Yvette Morrison. The owner is Claudia Perez Granados, uh two hundred and fifty eight Valley Hill Road, Alejandro Granados Ansales and Diana Pvis uh PV Torres, two hundred sixty four Valley Hill Road. [0:47:30, 0:47:40]: and the par and the large parcel which is S zero eight zero one zero two thousand. The applicant's request is to rezone three parcels from [0:47:41, 0:48:01]: RR Rural Residential and C One Neighborhood Commercial to SR Suburban Residential to allow for the development of the subdivision with sixteen single family detached lots. The address of the property is two fifty-eight Valley Hill Road, two hundred sixty-four Valley Hill Road, and the larger parcel, which is S08-0. [0:48:01, 0:48:21]: The number of acres is 17.06. The project characteristics, two single-family residences and mostly wooded, and the city land use volume zoning for 258 Valley Hill Road and S parcel number S08-0102000. [0:48:22, 0:48:32]: is R R and two sixty four Valley Hill Road, which is C one neighborhood commercial. And the sign was posted on September sixth, twenty twenty three. [0:48:36, 0:48:44]: This is the area of photo of the property. This is 258 Valley Hill Road. And this is 264 Valley Hill Road. And that is the larger parcel. [0:48:51, 0:48:54]: This is the house that's located on two fifty eight Ballet Hill Road. [0:49:00, 0:49:04]: And this is the house that's located on two sixty four Valley Hill Road. [0:49:09, 0:49:14]: This is the survey that was prepared on November fourteenth, twenty twenty two. [0:49:21, 0:49:32]: This is the concept plat of the two hundred fifty eight Valley Hill Road and the two hundred sixty four Valley Hill Road and the parcel number S zero H dash zero one zero two thousand when they're going to be combined. [0:49:40, 0:49:57]: This is a zoning map of two hundred and fifty eight Valley Hill Road and two hundred sixty four Valley Hill Road. As you can see, two sixty four Valley Hill Road is zoned as C one, two hundred fifty eight Valley Hill Road is zoned as R R Rural Residential, and the larger parcel is zoned R R Rural Residential. [0:50:02, 0:50:13]: This is the future land m land use map of two fifty eight Valley Hill Road and two sixty four Valley Hill Road and the other parcel. Um they are low density residential, which is consistent with the comprehensive plan. [0:50:19, 0:50:39]: Project information. The applicant proposes to develop a subdivision with sixteen single family detached lots with amenities on the properties located at two hundred and fifty eight and two hundred and sixty four Valley Hill Road. The subject property contains about seventeen point zero six acres of land and is comprised of three parcels. [0:50:39, 0:50:59]: 258 and 264 Valley Hill Road has single-family residential homes, while the larger parcel is mostly wooded. Although the RR zoning district for 258 Valley Hill Road and a larger parcel larger parcel does allow two single-family detached lots, the applicant will not be able to build a number of lots. [0:50:59, 0:51:04]: lots under subject property due to the requirement of the lot air which is one to three acres. [0:51:05, 0:51:25]: The current zoning of C1 neighborhood commercial on 264 Valley Hill Road does not allow residential uses. Therefore, the applicant is requested to rezoning up the three parcels from RR Rural Residential and C1 Neighborhood Commercial to SR suburban residential. To allow for the subdivision to be built, the existing [0:51:25, 0:51:32]: Process will need to be combined. Thus, the applicant has requested the recombination plat of RC 2023-01. [0:51:35, 0:51:45]: And right before you, these are the amenities. That's the detention pond. That is the common area. And the two pick a ball course and they also have a walking trail as well. [0:51:52, 0:51:56]: Uh these are the renderings that the applicant has provided of the different houses. [0:52:06, 0:52:09]: This is another rendering of that the applicant has provided. [0:52:15, 0:52:20]: And this another rendering of the that the applicant has provided as well, of the housing. [0:52:26, 0:52:46]: Staff analysis consistency with the comprehensive plan. The Stockbridge Future Land Use Map of the City's Adopted Comprehensive Plan twenty nineteen twenty thirty eight shows that the subject property's future land use designation is low density residential, which allows a density of one point two five to two units per acre. The density of [0:52:46, 0:53:06]: Of the proposed subdivisions is one unit per acre, which is consistent with the required density. Page 44 of the Stockbridge Comprehensive Plan states that the intent of the low density residential future land use destination is intended for typical large lot residential subdivision developments. In addition, the low density residential future [0:53:06, 0:53:26]: Land use designation provides a list of permitted zoning districts that are allowed, which includes the SR zoning district. The proposed subdivision is consistent with the policy goals of the current City of Stockbridge Comprehensive Plan 2018-2038 that are listed as follows on page 35 and 39, which is in this table. [0:53:27, 0:53:37]: Provide a mixture of housing options to attract young professional singles and small families and maintaining a family friendly environment focused on attracting and retaining young adults. [0:53:41, 0:54:01]: Staff analysis the relation that the proposed rezoning amendment bears to the purpose of the overall zoning scheme with due consideration given to whether or not the proposed change will help carry out the purposes of the City of Stockbridge zoning code. The proposed amendment rezoning to rezone the property from R R Route Residential [0:54:01, 0:54:15]: NC1 neighborhood commercial to SR suburban residential is acceptable since the intent of the SR is to provide for single family dwellings of a low to moderate density character on individual lots. [0:54:18, 0:54:38]: The potential positive effects of the rezoning amendment on the character of the proposed zoning district, a particular piece of property, neighborhood, a particular area or community. The proposed rezoning will allow the property to develop in a type of use that is more compatible than the other type of permitted uses that are allowed under the subject property C1. [0:54:38, 0:54:58]: And RR zoning classification due to the presence of other subdivisions that are located within the vicinity of the property, which are Springwood Valley, which is zone SR commercial, and Kinsey Crossing, which is zone SR suburban residential. In addition, there are other single-family residences that are zoned SR. [0:54:58, 0:54:59]: Suburma residential. [0:55:02, 0:55:22]: The physical conditions of the site relative to the capability to develop as requested include the topography, drainage, access, and the size and shape of the property. The revised plat the applicant provided shows that the proposed subdivision will be compatible with the physical features of the subject property. The revised plat shows that the attention pile will be located northwest. [0:55:22, 0:55:26]: of the subdivision. The proposed subdivision would include a pool, [0:55:27, 0:55:38]: Club house two pickleball courts with ten pocket spaces, a common area three point si three point nine six acres, a walking trail and a dock park as shown. [0:55:39, 0:55:50]: The impact upon the adjacent property owners should the request be granted. The proposed subdivision will be qu will be compatible with the other subdivisions that are in the vicinity of the subject property. [0:55:55, 0:56:06]: The potential impact of the resonance on the city infrastructure, including water and sewage system. The proposed subdivision will be serviced by water and sewer provided by the Henry County Water and Sewage Authority. [0:56:09, 0:56:23]: the impact of the proposed amendment on adjacent thoroughfares and pedestrian and vehicle circulation and traffic volumes. The applicant did not submit a traffic study and as a result, Stam is unable to comment on the overall impact the proposed subdivision will have on the assistant role. [0:56:24, 0:56:35]: Valley Hill Road. In order to prevent traffic backup on Valley Hill Road and to facilitate turning movement, the developer has propo prof has provided turning lanes as shown that proposed at, which is shown right here. [0:56:40, 0:57:00]: The merits of the requested change in zoning relative to any other guidelines or policy for the development which the Planning Commission and City Council may use in furthering the objective of the comprehensive plan. The approval of the requested rezoning will allow the subject property to develop similar to the subdivisions that are located in the vicinity of the air area. [0:56:59, 0:57:08]: An application for the land experiment permit, application for the pro subdivision, as well as building permit applications are required by the city. [0:57:09, 0:57:29]: The ability of the subject land to be developed as is presently zoned. The applicant has requested that 264 Valley Hill Road be rezoned. Although the parcel is currently zone C1 neighborhood commercial, it is less likely that it will be developed for commercial uses due to the location of the parcel in a residential area. The applicant has requested that other parcels. [0:57:29, 0:57:41]: parcels be rezoned to SR suburban residential. Since there are other surrounded SR zoning districts in the vicinity of the area, the most appropriate use for the subject property is single family residential. [0:57:45, 0:58:05]: Staff recommendation. Staff recommends approval with conditions for the proposed rezoning from RR Rural Residential and C1 neighborhood commercial to SR suburban residential. The recommended zoning conditions are listed below. The subdivision will be developed in accordance with the City of Stockbridge Development Code and the site development standards and requirements. [0:58:05, 0:58:25]: Requirements in the SR Zoning District. All homes shall be developed in accordance with Section 4.2 of the Stoppers Unified Development Code. No land disturbance or building permit shall be issued for the subject property until the applicant has had the new recombination plat officially recorded and has submitted a copy of the [0:58:25, 0:58:27]: of the recorded plots of the community development department. [0:58:47, 0:58:53]: And this is the zoning district requirements for the SR for the SR suburban residential. [0:58:56, 0:58:59]: And this is section four point four two of the Unified Development Code. [0:59:02, 0:59:03]: And that's the presentation. [0:59:05, 0:59:08]: We have an applicant present. Yes. [0:59:27, 0:59:40]: Thank you for this time. My name is Julian Selby. Uh close to the mics and restored Vision Construction Group. Uh like to thank the chairman and officers and board for allowing us to have this time to present this application for rezoning. [0:59:43, 1:00:03]: Uh, I wanted to clarify that the uh we wasn't able to connect to a SOAR, have annex, so each property is gonna have its own uh septic and this is why it's only fifteen houses in a clubhouse instead of uh more you know, the first thing we was trying to do was townhouses, but that was not gonna be [1:00:03, 1:00:23]: beneficial to what we were dealing with. So we've decided to do this um this plan here consisting of 15 houses of um modern and contemporary style, um executive estate, um gated community uh with its own clubhouse. [1:00:23, 1:00:40]: uh gym, uh swimming pool and um other facilities, you know, with the gated community is gonna offer security uh for the this development in the city of Stockbridge. I believe it may be the first of its kind, as far as a gated community like this. And um [1:00:43, 1:00:58]: Each house on the um each lot will be different. Um every lot is uh not the same, so it's not gonna have your typical cookie cutter look. Um it's going to be more of a a custom executive uh development. [1:01:07, 1:01:08]: Any questions? [1:01:10, 1:01:11]: Questions from Commission? [1:01:13, 1:01:14]: I have a question. [1:01:16, 1:01:18]: Why are you going with subtle tanks? [1:01:19, 1:01:39]: We tried to um we tried to uh see if we could annex uh to the closest um developments and I believe it was a church that was too f you know far away to be able to hook up to the source system. We've been through the Henry County and the waters sort of trying to make this happen. [1:01:39, 1:01:46]: And I think through all the different studies that we had, we was not able to connect. So we uh went this direction. [1:01:53, 1:01:55]: It's kinda interesting, you know, because uh [1:01:56, 1:02:00]: I would think that the infrastructure would allow for you to connect. [1:02:00, 1:02:20]: I mean when w when you're developing something like this, uh I think the first thing you want to look at is the infrastructure, that is water, sewage, electricity, et cetera. You get those things lined up before you really start talking about development. I don't see let me get finished. I don't see separate [1:02:20, 1:02:31]: septic tanks being very viable long term. And uh historically certainly you're gonna have some issues with septic tanks. [1:02:33, 1:02:53]: Um like I said before, we did go through the um what we had to go through to see if we could connect to the SOAR. Um and I believe that everything that we went through we were told that we could not. And there was no way that we can connect to a SOAR system in that area, um w without getting approval, which [1:02:53, 1:03:03]: One is the HOA they didn't want to approve as far as we have to annex or ask to get into there. It just it wasn't viable at the time. So we did want to connect. [1:03:04, 1:03:06]: But we were told that we could not. [1:03:07, 1:03:27]: Um the source system, I mean the uh septic systems that we are using is not like your traditional septic systems. Um most will have a pumping system and a backup with it. The houses are has been significantly sized to and with the bedrooms and bathrooms allowed that will have a viable septic system that will [1:03:27, 1:03:47]: Requires cleaning every three years. That cleaning ranges with the company that we'll be putting them in is also be the servicer of those units. Cost to that is about$150 to$175 to maintain and clean it. The renewal [1:03:47, 1:03:57]: or replacement can happen every 30 years uh uh before it may have to be uh picked up and um reestablished and put in. [1:03:59, 1:04:00]: Yeah. [1:04:01, 1:04:06]: We are using concrete, um concrete tank units as well. [1:04:10, 1:04:30]: All right. Uh you have anyone who supports or oppose this if you support it or oppose it. Mr. Chairman, I I have a question. So for the gentleman. Um I didn't hear or I didn't understand the water authority rejected your request. No, the water uh authority did give us uh [1:04:29, 1:04:45]: I think it was what Henry County gave us a letter of approval as far as providing the water, but they could not do the the soar. We couldn't hook up to the sewer. But there's sewer running up and down Valley Hill Road. I wonder why that was. [1:04:50, 1:05:06]: Um, we've really went down that road to try to get this done any way possible because it's actually better for the owners to have this to t to have this to have a bigger, you know, housing on this. But everywhere we went we hit a dead end. We couldn't do it. [1:05:07, 1:05:21]: Okay. You could always what they call dry plum the house with a septic tank, eventually to tie it into the sewer system once it comes down the street, so to speak. Um maybe something you want to consider. [1:05:22, 1:05:42]: We did consider that and that actually will be in the blueprints to have an um a hookup when that hopefully when that time comes that we can discontinue with the um de septic system. It will actually have another pipe hit it on in front of each house. It'll just be capped off. And as soon as [1:05:42, 1:05:48]: As soon as that is allowed, we can run that right down a block and connect to the uh uh the street that's going by. [1:05:52, 1:05:53]: That it? [1:05:54, 1:06:11]: That's it. Oh, one more thing on a septic. Just uh they will also they the kind that we are going to get has filters, breathing filters. So there's no smell, things like that. The breathing filters will have to be replaced every six months or washed out, but the company would do that as well. [1:06:13, 1:06:13]: Okay. [1:06:15, 1:06:23]: Okay, uh public comment. Those who support or oppose it have you fill out an application and approach the podium. [1:06:25, 1:06:27]: All those who support, do you support it? [1:06:28, 1:06:30]: You support it, ma'am? [1:06:31, 1:06:33]: We have anyone supporting the project? [1:06:35, 1:06:36]: Those opposed. [1:06:37, 1:06:38]: You first, ma'am. [1:06:43, 1:06:50]: So am I correct in saying that this was IO eight or Miss approach the podium, give us your name and address. [1:06:50, 1:07:00]: Connie Snow, 426, Chase Marion Way, McDonough, Georgia, 30253. Am I correct in saying this is item eight and nine on the agenda? [1:07:01, 1:07:11]: We're on That's what you had said earlier. I'm just making sure I'm clear. We're on nine. We're nine. So my question is, is why is it not listed on our agenda? So we are prepared. [1:07:12, 1:07:12]: Well it's what? [1:07:12, 1:07:16]: It not listed on our agenda so that we are prepared. [1:07:25, 1:07:29]: You don't have rezoning a valley here on your agenda? [1:07:29, 1:07:31]: No, I only have items one through seven. [1:07:34, 1:07:36]: And so does everybody else here, correct? [1:07:38, 1:07:39]: One through seven. [1:07:39, 1:07:39]: Yes. [1:07:40, 1:07:51]: So it's hard to be prepared and be informative when you're not given all the facts so that you can research it and be prepared. That's all I need to say. And I just want to make sure that it's recorded for the record. Okay, thank you. [1:07:57, 1:07:58]: Did you fill out a a form? [1:07:59, 1:07:59]: I guess it. [1:08:00, 1:08:01]: Okay, we'll make sure. [1:08:02, 1:08:18]: Hi, my name is Susan Groven. I l speak a little louder. Speak a little louder. My name is Susan Grovener. I live at three ten Valley Hill Road. Um my property is the largest amount of property that is adjacent to the proposed subdivision that's being put in. [1:08:20, 1:08:20]: Um [1:08:23, 1:08:33]: The I I never received a letter. Um d I know now why I never received a letter like this that [1:08:34, 1:08:38]: Anne was so graciously to give to me. Um [1:08:39, 1:08:48]: The houses that are going in and everything, the reason why is be the septic tank issue is it's a mound of rock. [1:08:48, 1:08:48]: I mean. [1:08:49, 1:08:51]: It's a mound of rock. [1:08:51, 1:08:55]: When the subdivision went in back behind our property. [1:08:56, 1:09:03]: The amount of blasting that they had to do just to put those houses in affected the structure of my house. [1:09:04, 1:09:17]: They're gonna have to blast to get these houses put in. I know what my property is. I know what the subdivision. I've walked that property I don't know how many times where they're talking about putting the houses. [1:09:18, 1:09:19]: Um [1:09:20, 1:09:22]: Another thing is [1:09:23, 1:09:31]: The Hor Historical Society has come out to my property. Um, there's there's soldiers that are buried on the property. [1:09:32, 1:09:36]: There's soldiers that are buried on our property. [1:09:36, 1:09:54]: And I believe that there is also soldiers that are buried on the property that they're proposing to build the houses on. Our road is so congested as it is. Whenever a train comes, it backs all the way up the hill to North Davis Road. [1:09:55, 1:09:58]: I can barely get out of my driveway. [1:09:58, 1:10:06]: without having to just floor it as it is. Adding more traffic to that is gonna be ridiculous. [1:10:07, 1:10:08]: Um [1:10:09, 1:10:10]: Ди [1:10:11, 1:10:17]: The the map that I just received that I just saw about less than an hour ago. [1:10:22, 1:10:25]: It's going to put [1:10:26, 1:10:27]: My property [1:10:28, 1:10:30]: And a f it's gonna flood my property. [1:10:32, 1:10:33]: All of the runoff [1:10:34, 1:10:36]: It's gonna go like this right here. [1:10:37, 1:10:38]: And it's gonna be on my property. [1:10:40, 1:10:47]: As far as the dog park, the swimming pool and the clubhouse and everything else. [1:10:47, 1:10:49]: That's right next to my creek. [1:10:50, 1:10:53]: I've got a natural spring on my property. I've got two of'em actually. [1:10:54, 1:10:57]: And that's gonna run straight into that creek. [1:10:58, 1:11:01]: The wildlife that I have lived and [1:11:04, 1:11:04]: Uh uh uh [1:11:08, 1:11:10]: I think you cut it off. Tap it. [1:11:13, 1:11:17]: Okay. I've lived here for twenty three years. [1:11:18, 1:11:21]: I don't wanna have to up and move. I don't. [1:11:22, 1:11:24]: I I was born in Stockbridge. [1:11:25, 1:11:26]: I love this town. [1:11:27, 1:11:28]: Have all my life. [1:11:29, 1:11:37]: But to have seventeen, sixteen, seventeen houses right in my backyard, I'm talking it's gonna be within [1:11:38, 1:11:42]: I'm not good at distances or anything like that. [1:11:42, 1:11:46]: But it's probably gonna be fifty yards away from my home. [1:11:48, 1:11:50]: I know development. [1:11:50, 1:11:53]: is a natural thing. I do. [1:11:53, 1:12:04]: I just don't think that this suits what they're wanting to put on to affect so many other people. Um [1:12:06, 1:12:10]: Uh y I just think that it's just not [1:12:11, 1:12:13]: It it's not a good move. [1:12:13, 1:12:20]: Let me ask you this, has the developer been out to speak to all the computer. [1:12:21, 1:12:26]: There is a reason because what they're trying to do here is gonna destroy my house. [1:12:27, 1:12:29]: Литерли дестрой майонез. [1:12:30, 1:12:38]: I have cracked foundation and stuff from them putting in the two hundred and fifty houses back behind me. [1:12:39, 1:12:46]: I had to go down to the construction company and get them to replace some of the stuff that fell off my wall whenever they were blasting. [1:12:47, 1:12:51]: You're more than welcome to come to my property and see the amount of rock that we have. [1:12:52, 1:12:55]: That's probably the reason for the septic tanks. [1:12:57, 1:13:03]: Um, I wasn't aware. I thought everybody was on septic tanks on Valley Hill Road. [1:13:03, 1:13:04]: Adead. [1:13:05, 1:13:06]: Um [1:13:08, 1:13:11]: I I don't like it. I don't want it. [1:13:13, 1:13:14]: Saved my house. [1:13:15, 1:13:20]: That's I appreciate your time and I appreciate your consideration, but this is [1:13:21, 1:13:28]: Upset me to my core finding out all of this thirty minutes before I walked into this place. [1:13:30, 1:13:36]: To not be contacted, to not a letter be sent or anything. [1:13:36, 1:13:49]: And all I see is a public hearing notice on a sign that is this big driving thirty-five miles an hour down the road that you can't read. Chairman, we've reached the time. All right. You can call. I appreciate your time. [1:13:49, 1:13:54]: Also, we're only required to send a notice with people within three hundred feet. [1:13:56, 1:14:00]: My property is the biggest adjacent property. [1:14:02, 1:14:07]: Ma'am, you're out of order for this. Let me let me finish this up, okay? [1:14:07, 1:14:07]: Had [1:14:10, 1:14:12]: Anyone else who opposed the project? [1:14:12, 1:14:21]: Mr Chairman, the Mr Chair Speaker's address, uh she may have been talking about a different case. Her speaker's address is near Holloway Road. [1:14:21, 1:14:23]: Not the case that we're talking about right now. [1:14:25, 1:14:29]: No. Valley Hillbrook? You're talking about Valley Hillbrook. [1:14:30, 1:14:38]: Three ten Valley Hill Road, I've got about three quarters of a mile of property that adjacent Sir you have a lot of orders. [1:14:43, 1:14:44]: This is a formal meeting. [1:14:45, 1:14:47]: Let me ask you this. [1:14:47, 1:14:50]: We had a correct address that that she's referencing. [1:14:56, 1:15:16]: Uh while they clarify addresses, Mr. Chair, I did want to uh recognize the first gentlelady who went up on the mic. Uh she did say that it was not a uh agenda item on the on their agenda. However, it's just worded differently for us. For us, we see it as an action item. For them, if you go to public hearing number uh public hearing, it's [1:15:16, 1:15:26]: It's number two. It's item number two, which is what we're referring to. I have the public's agenda right here. Um and I will make sure the chair has this so he's aware uh with what you guys see as well. [1:15:55, 1:15:57]: Yeah, three minutes for rebuttal, sir. [1:15:59, 1:16:05]: Just wanted to address some of the concerns mainly about the water runoff. Um [1:16:06, 1:16:26]: The property will have a retention pond where the all the sores in the street and all that will be directed to. Each property also with the uh water runoff systems from the uh roof and the uh gutters and drains will actually go into a [1:16:26, 1:16:33]: in ground filtr inf filtration system to return the water back into its natural elements. It's not gonna be um [1:16:34, 1:16:54]: uh exited out just on the grounds for it to to to run off. So the only water when we were doing our best to control um water runoff. I go through this in the city of Brookhavens the same thing. So every house, every club the clubhouse, everything will have its own water filtration system. Every down [1:16:54, 1:17:14]: Will have will go down in the ground into that water filtation system. So um as well as the um the common street areas and all that will be directed to the uh retention pond system as well. The all the houses are gonna be on slabs. So we're not doing basements, we're not digging [1:17:14, 1:17:34]: Far that deep. And that's one of the reasons why I was talking about the septic systems having a pump system, so we don't have to go that far deep into the ground. But we did have soil tests where the septic systems are going to go. We don't have rocks or or hard. [1:17:34, 1:17:54]: Hard ground stones there in that area. This is why the houses are specifically a certain size and could not, you know, go completely on each property that is on the plat, as you've seen. So we were very careful with that. We don't like to blow things up and though sometimes it's necessary. [1:17:54, 1:18:13]: I haven't done it as of yet. I've been able to get things done with a uh power jack of heavy equipment without doing the dynamite thing. And um we're gonna do our would do our very best not to do it then. But we have took steps to protect surrounding areas from water runoff. [1:18:14, 1:18:22]: Let me ask you this. Did you um try to meet with the uh adjoining property owners to discuss your development? [1:18:23, 1:18:25]: No, I did not. Um [1:18:25, 1:18:45]: I know that the letters went out. I have no problem with meeting uh anyone. I have no problem with anyone receiving um my project manager's information. Um I have done this sort of thing before and and actually got a Zoom meeting together with folk, especially with the COVID thing going on, for them to [1:18:45, 1:19:05]: answers any QA's or any questions that they may um ask or have. I have no problem with um you know dealing with the residents around. And then this is just 15 houses. So I understand about the traffic and and the concerns of traffic with a lot of development going on. But how [1:19:05, 1:19:10]: This is fifteen homes and it's not a huge development here. [1:19:14, 1:19:25]: And you're saying there's not gonna be any blasting. Now you know, while you may not blast the use of heavy equipment, deck hammers and whatnot, that also impacts other people's property. [1:19:25, 1:19:31]: Absolutely. Blasting does a whole lot more. I understand that, but I'm just saying it's not that uh [1:19:31, 1:19:35]: your activity's gonna have a negative impact. It's gonna have an impact. [1:19:36, 1:19:37]: And for that reason [1:19:38, 1:19:48]: I was asking had you uh met with the joining property owners? No, I have not. I have not a problem. A lot of a lot of these issues can be resolved. [1:19:49, 1:19:55]: If you meet with the property owners in advance, let them know exactly what you're doing, give them um [1:19:56, 1:20:01]: A layout uh a model of what you're proposing and [1:20:01, 1:20:09]: how it's going to affect their property. Sometimes it could be an increase in the value of their property, but you won't know unless you engage in that kind of activity. [1:20:09, 1:20:11]: It is highly recommended. [1:20:11, 1:20:12]: For developers. [1:20:13, 1:20:14]: In advance. [1:20:15, 1:20:18]: To meet with the adjoining property owners є quick example. [1:20:20, 1:20:21]: I'm from Chicago. [1:20:22, 1:20:23]: And I did zoning in Chicago. [1:20:25, 1:20:27]: An applicant came before the council once. [1:20:28, 1:20:30]: And wanted to have uh um [1:20:31, 1:20:42]: Um God escaped me right now. What do you call it? Um where you dispose bodies burning. I can't think this word escapes me right now. [1:20:44, 1:20:47]: You understand me? The burning body. What is it called? What is that? [1:20:47, 1:20:48]: Cremation. [1:20:49, 1:20:52]: Wanted to build a cremation uh facility. [1:20:54, 1:20:57]: Uh on a major artery which was properly zoned could do that. [1:20:59, 1:21:03]: Okay. There was two ladies who came in. [1:21:06, 1:21:12]: And they made the statement that I don't wanna be baking a cake and smelling a body burn. Do you know what happened to that application? [1:21:15, 1:21:21]: I can imagine. Yeah, right. Mm-hmm. And so if you meet with the community in advance, [1:21:22, 1:21:26]: You can address all those kind of issues and concerns that they would have, i.e. [1:21:26, 1:21:32]: Is your activity going to destroy my property? What kind of impact it's gonna have on my property? What kinda [1:21:32, 1:21:37]: uh uh uh impact is you're gonna have on the traffic flow. A lot of these things can be mitigated. [1:21:37, 1:21:42]: may not necessarily resolve everything, but a lot of it can be mitigated. [1:21:42, 1:21:43]: If you take that step. [1:21:44, 1:22:04]: Um what you're saying is not foreign to me. I believe in it. I have done it before in a different way. Um I love meeting the people, especially around um a development like this that we're uh wanting to do work on. For one, security. I think that the neighbors who know who I am and also know who [1:22:04, 1:22:24]: know uh that have a contact with us if they have concerns or something that's going on that is affecting them and they can get in touch with me or mainly one of the project managers, it works well. Um also if they know that I am touchable, I'm not, I'm a small, as my wife say, boutique builder. I'm not [1:22:24, 1:22:44]: Adams homes or whatnot. I took and bought 21 lots in Spotty Village, which is a 55 and over gated community. Did the same things. Small, individual, but custom homes. But everyone knows me there. If something goes wrong, they know how to get in touch with me. They know how to call me if they see something strange. [1:22:44, 1:23:04]: Happening, they know how to call me. I do that as I get to know the people and things like that around there. Um for a project like this, we would have a tent. We would have a bigger sign that can be seen for information website and phone numbers for anyone to contact if they want to have or have some concerns. [1:23:04, 1:23:21]: or want to do a meet and greet. We do have different functions. I have done that before because it just I've had big equipment stolen before. And it's just easier when the community is looking out for you. But for that to happen, they need to also know that I'm looking out for them as well. [1:23:23, 1:23:25]: And so all of these houses are gonna be built on slabs. [1:23:26, 1:23:28]: All these houses would be built on slabs. [1:23:31, 1:23:31]: Okay. [1:23:34, 1:23:36]: Any questions, uh council members? [1:23:38, 1:23:42]: I have a question. Uh I'm I'm I'm a little bit disturbed because uh [1:23:42, 1:23:50]: You're speaking to me as though you have all this experience, but the question I would be asking, why hadn't you present yourself to the homeowners? [1:23:51, 1:23:59]: As far as their concerns are, I I don't think they should be running to you and when they have no idea who you are. [1:24:00, 1:24:20]: One of the things I need to find out when one to come to these meetings to find out if what we're proposing can work or do we have to do something else. Um when I do speak to the people around the area, I like to tell them exactly what we're going to do, what we're permitted or what has been approved, and not what [1:24:20, 1:24:40]: we're trying to do um also it's not I mean you just gotta be real careful before you just go in and knocking on people's doors and things and introducing yourself really careful these days. So we do do a meet and greet. We do put up a pop-up tent and a big sign and and also letters if people [1:24:40, 1:24:57]: people want to come by and want to engage with us, that is on a mutual agreement. Um but um I mean that's just how you know we we do it right now. The safest way to do it right now. I mean, I don't say that I can [1:24:58, 1:25:10]: Please every I try to uh make everyone happy. You're not. I try to make everybody at least comfortable, even though if they're not happy, at least they're comfortable w you know with me. [1:25:16, 1:25:17]: Okay, thank you. [1:25:25, 1:25:29]: Yes, ma'am. You have a an applic yeah you fill out a form, approach the podium. [1:25:41, 1:25:48]: Good evening and thank you for allowing me to speak. I have been a resident of High Lane Drive for th over thirty-six years. [1:25:48, 1:25:52]: I first provide me with your name and address. I apologize. My name is Susan Cosby. [1:25:53, 1:25:57]: And I live at one ten High Lane Drive, which backs up to this project. [1:25:57, 1:25:58]: Come closer to the mic. [1:25:59, 1:26:18]: This gentleman has stated that there will be no blasting in that neighborhood. However, he also stated that there will be a pool. My neighbors have had to blast to have pools put in their backyards. Henry County Water Authority had to come in with heavy equipment to replace the piping. [1:26:19, 1:26:21]: And when they bought [1:26:21, 1:26:24]: the water rights from Clayton County. [1:26:24, 1:26:44]: Because there is granite just one foot below the surface of the ground on High Lane Drive. So will there be blasting? Of course there will be. Will there be heavy equipment? Of course there will be. My house suffered structural damage because of the blasting of the 240 houses that are in the neighborhood behind which [1:26:44, 1:27:04]: where the proposed building is. He talks about that there will be pools, dog parks, walking track and everything. However, the pack people who have lived in this area for 10, 20, 30 or more years will not have access to that because it's a gated community. [1:27:04, 1:27:15]: But he's taking this neighborhood and put it right in the middle of where we live. He is building a neighborhood that will have [1:27:16, 1:27:20]: A turn lane on Valley Hill Road that is just below the crest of a hill. [1:27:21, 1:27:23]: That is a blind spot. [1:27:23, 1:27:38]: The traffic there already is horrendous. The cars come over that hill and they do not see when I'm turning left out of High Lane Drive. I have to go down old stagecoach road. [1:27:38, 1:27:42]: just to be able to get out without [1:27:42, 1:27:45]: Worrying whether I'll be hit or not. [1:27:46, 1:27:48]: The traffic from this neighborhood will hinder [1:27:49, 1:28:03]: even more because if they're turning left right at the top of the hill, I won't see them coming out of the neighborhood prior to me trying to turn left. I have seen this city grow. [1:28:04, 1:28:06]: I was a part of the county. [1:28:06, 1:28:08]: Up until November of this past year. [1:28:09, 1:28:29]: And we were zoned rural. Now he wants us to be zoned suburban. I didn't come to this area to be suburban. I moved here when there was just a couple of red lights. We'd like to have that area continue to be a nature area. [1:28:29, 1:28:33]: Where the deer and the fox and the coyotes [1:28:33, 1:28:37]: And the possums and everything else live because of the creek. [1:28:38, 1:28:42]: There's two creeks there, and his intention is to block them. [1:28:43, 1:28:46]: So that there's a retention pond? [1:28:46, 1:28:48]: That's not gonna benefit the n uh [1:28:49, 1:29:04]: Wildlife in the area that there is so little of at this time. The area is that is where the animals live. If he blocks these creeks, where are they gonna get the water from? Because that pond is gonna be fenced in. [1:29:06, 1:29:08]: The animals aren't gonna be able to get there. [1:29:08, 1:29:12]: And again, all of us who live around this area. [1:29:13, 1:29:20]: Will not have the benefit of seeing the wildlife. We won't have the benefit of the pool and everything. [1:29:20, 1:29:22]: amenities he's talking about. [1:29:22, 1:29:28]: Because it is going to be a gated community. And he says he's talked to the water authority. [1:29:30, 1:29:33]: If he's talked to him, he'll know that we can [1:29:34, 1:29:45]: have a problem with the water pressure as it is. We also have a problem with our water being orange, probably about once or twice a month, one time to the point [1:29:45, 1:29:51]: That I was taking a shower and the orange water dyed my hair. [1:29:51, 1:29:53]: I had to pay. [1:29:53, 1:30:01]: to get my hair fixed because of the water. And they told me it was because they were cleaning the lines. [1:30:03, 1:30:14]: Any additional residence is gonna put a strain on the system as it is and it needs to be addressed prior to anybody considering building in the area. [1:30:15, 1:30:20]: So I'm asking that you consider the things that I've stated before you vote on this rezoning. [1:30:21, 1:30:21]: Um [1:30:22, 1:30:29]: I think everybody who is sitting here in the auditorium tonight would agree with me that we have been here a long time. [1:30:29, 1:30:32]: And we have all just been annexed into the city. [1:30:33, 1:30:36]: And now we're having to pay the price of giving up. [1:30:37, 1:30:41]: That little bit of area that we felt was a little bit of nature. [1:30:43, 1:30:48]: We don't ha we won't have the creeks because the people behind the gated community's gonna be enjoying that. [1:30:49, 1:30:51]: We're gonna pay the price though. [1:30:51, 1:30:53]: The lack of water. [1:30:53, 1:30:54]: Pressure [1:30:55, 1:30:57]: The addition of traffic? [1:30:58, 1:30:59]: And possibly the nuisance of [1:31:00, 1:31:01]: Additional crime. [1:31:02, 1:31:04]: I am a victim of crime, said [1:31:04, 1:31:08]: Of an from an area that was built in just the past few years. [1:31:09, 1:31:11]: I had a gentleman who was renting. [1:31:12, 1:31:13]: A camper [1:31:14, 1:31:16]: In the backyard of one of those houses. [1:31:17, 1:31:19]: And he started stalking me. [1:31:20, 1:31:27]: He knew what time I got off work, and he was in my backyard when I pulled in my driveway at two AM. [1:31:28, 1:31:32]: He would sit in my backyard. Well I would sit on my porch and not know he was there. [1:31:33, 1:31:37]: And he would masturbate while having a machete sit beside him. [1:31:38, 1:31:40]: We don't need additional crime. [1:31:41, 1:31:42]: Time is up. [1:31:42, 1:31:43]: Thank you. [1:31:47, 1:31:48]: Anyone else? [1:31:52, 1:31:53]: Anyone else opposing the project? [1:31:56, 1:31:58]: That closes public comment. [1:32:02, 1:32:04]: Commission members. [1:32:05, 1:32:23]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchon. I have one thought kind of gnawing at me. Um sixteen homes are being proposed versus fifty to a hundred townhomes that could be potential on this piece of property. Which would we prefer? [1:32:38, 1:32:40]: Mr. Chair, may I make a comment? [1:32:40, 1:32:41]: Sure. [1:32:42, 1:33:02]: Well, one thing that uh the public is not told is that the decisions that we make here is not final. Even if even if we said yes or no, it's gonna be up to the city council to make the final decision to decide what's gonna be done when it comes to the city. [1:33:02, 1:33:03]: comes to the property. [1:33:06, 1:33:15]: Mr. Chairman, point of clarification. Townhomes may not be built on the property under the existing zoning, nor even on the proposed zoning. [1:33:21, 1:33:23]: So I'll just the zoning change. [1:33:24, 1:33:25]: Would you repeat that, Mr. Logan? [1:33:30, 1:33:39]: Of the property does not allow townhomes, and the requested rezoning also does not allow townhomes. [1:33:45, 1:33:50]: Correct. The existing zoning doesn't allow for what's being proposed. That's what we're up here trying to decide. [1:33:54, 1:34:14]: Existing zoning allows um single family houses by themselves but not a subdivision per se. That's why the rezoning is necessary. But you mentioned townhomes and no townhomes can be built unless the property is rezoned to M FR or PUD, which [1:34:14, 1:34:16]: Is not the subject of this case. [1:34:17, 1:34:20]: Right. That's not the zoning this gentleman is requesting. [1:34:23, 1:34:27]: He's requesting uh suburban suburban rule. [1:34:34, 1:34:38]: Mr. Chairman, I have a question for staff, please. Sure. [1:34:40, 1:34:45]: This property, to my understanding, was recently annexed into the city. [1:34:48, 1:35:00]: And I'm wondering, uh uh the the current zoning is to my understanding Henry County's zone in classifications. Is that correct? [1:35:03, 1:35:07]: And the proposed zoning is really to [1:35:08, 1:35:12]: Align with the City of Stockbridge is owning. [1:35:15, 1:35:17]: For similar uses, correct? [1:35:19, 1:35:27]: Not necessarily a z uh line. This is what the applicant is requesting in order to allow this subdivision to be built. [1:35:28, 1:35:30]: Well let me let me rephrase. [1:35:32, 1:35:41]: Henry County has a suburban a rule of residential classification. The City of Stockbridge does not. Is that correct? [1:35:44, 1:35:52]: A, which is residential agricultural, whereas uh city zoning is R R rural residential. [1:35:54, 1:35:57]: Okay, so we've already made the transition. [1:35:58, 1:36:16]: Well well the R R is similar to the county's R A, but one of there's three parcels on this property and one of'em um is zone uh C one for commercial. I'm aware of that and that that was I do that I was gonna inquire if you knew the history of why that is zone commercial. [1:36:17, 1:36:20]: Because it doesn't seem to be appropriate for the neighborhood. [1:36:23, 1:36:25]: Well it was on commercial a long time ago. [1:36:27, 1:36:30]: Right, I understand that, but I was just wondering if you knew why. [1:36:32, 1:36:51]: No, not exactly what's gone zone commercial. I guess where I'm going with this is that the rezoning case that bef that's before us seems to be appropriate. Seems to be the appropriate zoning for this part these two parcels in that area. [1:36:53, 1:36:55]: And for that reason [1:36:57, 1:37:15]: I would be inclined to support the support the rezoning case. I do have some concerns about and now that I've heard the presentation from the applicant and heard the public comments, I am concerned about [1:37:18, 1:37:31]: The rock, the separate tanks, the blasting or the what if it would take to in fact erect the subdivision and I guess I'm qu qu asking staff [1:37:31, 1:37:35]: They would they would have to go through the development phase and they would have to um [1:37:35, 1:37:41]: be in compliance with all cities re citi all the cities regulations as far as it concerns development, erosion. [1:37:41, 1:37:50]: uh the the hours in which they can bill and um if they use dynamite to bless they will have to be in in compliance with the city's ordinances [1:37:50, 1:38:02]: So voting for this rezoning is just to really get the the correct rezoning, the proper zoning for that parcel. Um [1:38:04, 1:38:09]: But to actual build on it, there's some other steps that you guys would have to [1:38:10, 1:38:26]: Yes, I'm not sure. Supervise, if you will. And and and typically I rely on staff most of the times because you're the professionals, you're the experts. They would have to go through the development play uh the development phase and we have some really stringent criteria. [1:38:26, 1:38:28]: That they will have to adhere too. [1:38:29, 1:38:31]: Okay. [1:38:32, 1:38:35]: Okay. All those issues will be taken care of in the [1:38:36, 1:38:40]: I would encourage the applicant um [1:38:42, 1:38:50]: I think it would be advantageous. It's probably already been said, but typically [1:38:50, 1:38:55]: Applicants reach out to the community very early in the process. [1:38:57, 1:39:00]: And I would encourage you to do that. [1:39:01, 1:39:02]: He met the minimum standards. [1:39:04, 1:39:23]: Commissioner. Okay. I I'm not necessarily talking about minimum standards. I'm talking about customer service and community relations and getting along with folk. That kind of thing. Uh it's a lot easier [1:39:26, 1:39:27]: To get support. [1:39:28, 1:39:30]: When you engage people early on. [1:39:32, 1:39:52]: The reality I think right now today is that we're here really for a recombination to solidify it's the rezoning. Yeah, yeah. So um uh while we may can approve the zoning, that does not mean that you can go ahead and start building. Correct. Uh I think that um to rezone [1:39:52, 1:40:02]: own the property to make it one track or or or combine it, it's not gonna have a negative impact on the community. Uh going forward trying to build something. [1:40:02, 1:40:05]: It's going to be a different ball game altogether. [1:40:05, 1:40:09]: And that's why I asked the gentleman had he spoke to the community about it. [1:40:11, 1:40:16]: To let them know exactly what's going on, what kind of impact it's gonna have on their property. One of the things that staff does. [1:40:17, 1:40:20]: is talk about the adjoining property owners and what kind of impact [1:40:21, 1:40:41]: the zoning change or the construction we'll have on their property. One lady spoke today, said that she's already experienced a negative impact of development because uh they are blasting uh the granite, I believe, uh below uh the surface. And as a result of that, uh her foundation was uh adversely affected. So [1:40:41, 1:41:01]: So I think uh well our our task here this evening is simply to approve or deny the recombination, but the recombination will not get you the erection of a building. So uh our actions tonight will not negatively impact your property. Will not negatively imp impact your property. [1:41:01, 1:41:08]: It is the future activities that may impact your property. And I think as counsel as um my colleague has stated, [1:41:08, 1:41:13]: You really need the support of the community and there needs to be a serious study in terms of [1:41:14, 1:41:18]: What kind of impact any construction to go on that property will have on you? [1:41:19, 1:41:28]: And I think that is the point at which you really uh solidify your actions against the uh applicant, developer, owner, whoever. [1:41:31, 1:41:33]: Having said that, can I get a motion? [1:41:35, 1:41:42]: Mr. Chairman, this is Stan Does. I move approval of rezoning case R Z two Zero Two Three Dash Zero T. [1:41:44, 1:41:58]: I have a second. Ms. Harrell. I'll second it. Been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Ayes have it. The uh matter is approved for rezoning. [1:41:59, 1:42:06]: But let me say to the audience, this is simply putting two tracts of land together, does not build anything. [1:42:07, 1:42:21]: does not build anything. So our actions here tonight will not adversely affect your property. As uh uh Planning Commission has stated, there's several other stuff they have to go through. This is just a foundational matter here. So [1:42:23, 1:42:24]: Thank you. [1:42:25, 1:42:39]: Uh Mr. Chairman, uh correction if I may please, before the all before the public leave. It's not a rezon uh recombination. It is a just strictly rezoning. They will have to come back and combine them. [1:42:40, 1:42:42]: Okay. At some future point. All right. Thank you. [1:42:57, 1:42:58]: Think item ten is next. [1:43:01, 1:43:21]: Annex case number AX 2023-03 to be located in Council District 5. Consideration of a request for annexation of property at 17, at 77 and 87 Holloway Road within frontage on Patrick Henry Parkway, located in unincorporated Henry County into the stock. [1:43:21, 1:43:41]: Bridge City Limits. The applicant is uh next metro acquisition LLC uh care of battle law PC. The property contains two parcels as are listed below in land lot 50 of District 6, 14.16 plus or minus total acres. [1:43:40, 1:44:00]: 77 Holloway Road parcel number 052. Dash 01023000 contains 1.16 plus or minus acres. 87 Holloway Road parcel number 0052. 01024000 contains 13. [1:44:00, 1:44:06]: plus or minus acres presented by community development staff. [1:44:09, 1:44:17]: Thank you, Chairman Dilla. Uh we're gonna present the for the annexation twenty twenty three dash zero three. [1:44:19, 1:44:39]: The case facts. The applicant is next mexro acquisition, which is represented by battle law. The owners is Charles R. McCraney, 77 Holloway Road, and James Holloway Senior, 87 Holloway Road. The applicant's request is considered request for the annexation of property at 77 and 87 Holloway World Road. [1:44:39, 1:44:59]: Road with frontage of Patrick Henry Parkway located unincorporated Henry County into the Stockbridge city limits. The number of acres is 14.162 acres and is vacant with a single-family residence on 87 Highway Road. The current county zoning is RA Residential Mixed or Residential Agricultural. [1:44:59, 1:45:02]: And the county land use zone is mixed use. [1:45:06, 1:45:08]: This is the area further the property. [1:45:10, 1:45:22]: These are this is seventy seven Holloway Road right here and eighty seven Hollyway Road. This is the rehabilitation uh hospital and this is Eagles Landing Unit Eight and this is Eagles Crest subdivision. [1:45:26, 1:45:41]: The adjacent property zone and property to the north is RM Multifamily Residential and RA Residential Agricultural District. The properties to the south are zone RR residential for the city of Stockbridge and C3 [1:45:42, 1:45:56]: Heavy Commercial District, Hen Henry County. Properties to the East, RM Multifamily Residential District, and Properties to the West, R R Residential for the City Stockbridge, and OI Office Institutional, which is for Henry County. [1:45:59, 1:46:02]: This is a joint zoning map of um [1:46:03, 1:46:10]: After subject properties, this is seventy CM Hollyway Road and A Sam Hollywood. As you can see, the properties are zone RA. [1:46:12, 1:46:15]: And in the city is z uh zone are uh res rural residential. [1:46:18, 1:46:38]: This is the surrounding future land use zoning. Property to the north is zone uh high density residential by Henry County. Property to the south is medium density vertical mixed use for the Stockbridge and Mixed Use Henry County. Properties to the east is high density residential, Henry County, Eagles Land. [1:46:38, 1:46:55]: Middle school park recreation conservation properties to the west is Bacant, which is medium density vertical mixed use for the city of Stockbridge, and the Rehab Rehabilitation Hospital, which is our high density residential. [1:46:58, 1:47:01]: And this is the joint feature land muse map map. [1:47:05, 1:47:23]: The project information, the developer proposes to build a mixed residential development with one hundred thirty-six units, including ninety-two single-family DCAS rental units and forty-four duplex rental units. In addition, the development will include a dog park, pool, spa, and a gazebo. [1:47:27, 1:47:31]: And this is the criteria based on section nine point eight of Unified Development Code. [1:47:34, 1:47:35]: Staff analysis. [1:47:36, 1:47:56]: Is the subject property contiguous to the existing corporate limits? Yes, the subject is contiguous with the following parcels that are located within the city limits of Stockbridge. Parcel number 052-010-2200-25 Hollywood Road 0520101 [1:47:56, 1:48:02]: one one thousand and fifty two dash zero one two three zero zero two. [1:48:03, 1:48:06]: They're going to use the one hundred percent method. [1:48:08, 1:48:25]: Is any part of the subject property being proposed for annexation within the within the boundary of another municipal corporation or county? Yes, the subject property is located within the boundary of Henry County. And yes, the subject property is receiving municipal services from Henry County. [1:48:28, 1:48:45]: Is the subject property for the proposed annexation being developed for urban purposes defined as a minimum of two people per acre? Yes, the applicant proposes a mixed residential community with one hundred thirty six units, including nine or two single family detached and four to four duplex rental. [1:48:46, 1:49:05]: Is the proposed annexation consistent with the comp plan? No. The subject property has a Henry future land use designation of mixed use. And the applicant has submitted a comprehensive plan amendment CP twenty-three-twenty-three to assign the future land use designation of high density residential, which will be heard afterwards. [1:49:05, 1:49:20]: Does the pro proposed annexed property share a common zoning classification with the adjoining city property? No, the applicant has submitted a rezoning application, RZ 2023-04 to assign the zoning district of PUD. [1:49:20, 1:49:31]: the potential positive effects of the p proposed annexation on the character of the proposed zoning district. The proposed subdivision will not have any negative impact on the existing subdivisions. [1:49:36, 1:49:54]: The physical conditions of the site relative to the capability to be developed as requested include the topography, drainage, access, and size and shape of the property. The site plan the applicant has provided shows that the proposed mixed residential development will be compatible with the physical features of the subject property. [1:49:55, 1:50:13]: The impact upon adjacent prop property owners should the quest be represented. To the north and east of the subject property lies the Eagle Crest subdivision. Although the resident units are adjacent to the residents of the Eagle Crest subdivision, the site plan shows that the developer is planning to install a fence around the perimeter of the property. [1:50:14, 1:50:27]: and the impact of the annexation on the city infrastructure, including water and sewage system. A letter from the Herring County Waters Authority dated February twenty eighth, twenty three, stated that the water service along with [1:50:31, 1:50:51]: Along with the sewage treatment and sewer line capacity are available for the subject properties, and the impact of the proposed annexation on the adjacent thoroughfares and pedestrian and vehicular so circulation of traffic volumes, the proposed subdivision will not have any negative impact on adjacent thoroughfares, nor pedestrian and vehicle circulation and traffic volumes. [1:50:53, 1:50:55]: And the staff recommends approval. [1:51:01, 1:51:03]: Yeah, the applicant present. [1:51:03, 1:51:04]: Mm uh. [1:51:10, 1:51:12]: Presentation should be right there. That's your presentation. [1:51:24, 1:51:44]: Good evening, Michelle Battle with Battle Law 3562, Habersham at North Lake, Tucker, Georgia, 30084. Um before I start, um because we've got three applications, I see we did not take them all together. Um we're dealing with the annexation first. Um I do have a presentation and before the clock starts. [1:51:44, 1:51:58]: I I'd like to kind of know whether or not you all would like the whole overview of the project or we're just gonna deal with the annexation because I think there are some issues that I'd like to point out specifically for the annexation before even starting the presentation. [1:51:59, 1:52:01]: Can we hold on that for one second while I get an answer? [1:52:02, 1:52:03]: I want my time sicking. [1:52:05, 1:52:11]: Because you didn't take all I I had anticipated you all taking all three together, but if we're gonna do them separately then I I don't wanna [1:52:12, 1:52:14]: give the same presentation three times. [1:52:15, 1:52:25]: Well, for the benefit of the audience they're not familiar with that, we're probably gonna take'em individually. Okay. All right. So I'm gonna start with the annexation um and and talk about that first. [1:52:26, 1:52:46]: Um the subject property on um three sides are abutted by property that is within um unincorporated Henry County. The property directly across the street is how we are able to annex into the city of Stockbridge. So that property which is zoned RR currently is undeveloped, um kind of a greenway across. [1:52:46, 1:53:06]: Across the street, and we have to cross over to the other side of the interstate before we see many of the residents, at least directly across from the entrance into the project. We certainly are aware of the adjacent residential community, but again, it lies outside. [1:53:06, 1:53:10]: of um the jurisdictional boundaries of Stockbridge. [1:53:10, 1:53:11]: Mm. [1:53:11, 1:53:31]: The current land use designation for the property is mixed use, and in uh Henry County that allows for up to 16 units per acre. What we are requesting is to amend um in a later application the comprehensive plan uh to high density residential, which allows for a similar um [1:53:31, 1:53:51]: Density on site. And so we believe that despite staff indicating that we are inconsistent, we are certainly inconsistent from the perspective of one says mixed use and one says high density. But when you look at the density that is allowed under each designation. [1:53:51, 1:54:11]: they are similar. So um I thought that that is uh important to be pointed out as you all are making a decision with regards to the annexation. Um we believe that the annexation is appropriate. Um again we are in uh an area that is directly across from the city we know that the city is continuing um to grow and we [1:54:11, 1:54:31]: And we are hopeful that this particular project will be invited into the city of Stockbridge. With that said, we'll get started with the other part of our presentation. Avila is a developer of rental homes, and they are here this evening and hopefully. [1:54:31, 1:54:49]: hopes of presenting to you a project that they are extremely excited about bringing to the city of Stockbridge and to the metro Atlanta area. I wanted to start out with a little video presentation that gives you an idea of what it is that they do, and then we'll get into a little bit more detail. [1:54:52, 1:54:54]: Let us hope it plays. [1:54:59, 1:55:05]: This is an overview of a project that they've done in Texas and it gives you a little bit of information here about [1:55:05, 1:55:06]: What it will look like. [1:56:31, 1:56:51]: So that is the presentation in terms of the fly-through. We've seen the location of the current site, so we won't linger there. Staff has made a great presentation of the uses that are surrounding in terms of the zonings. In Henry County, we have OI in this location. We've got RM that's around the perimeter of the site. [1:56:51, 1:57:11]: Again, this RM while single family detached does have a land use designation similar. So multifamily is certainly in this area, and higher densities would be allowed. The site plan that we are presenting to you this evening provides for 136. [1:57:11, 1:57:31]: units. Forty-four of those would be sorry, let me go to the next slide. 44 of those would be one bedroom duplexes. There would be 54 two-bedroom units and 38 three bedroom units. And the density on this project is actually only 9.6 units per acre. What we are taking [1:57:31, 1:57:51]: Typically accustomed to seeing in these types of projects are vertical type apartment complexes. That is not what this is. This is a different type of complex. We know that it is something that is not typical within communities, but it is something that is becoming much more. [1:57:51, 1:58:11]: attractive as people are making a decision that they don't want to actually own, that they want to live in a community in which they can rent but have a home that allows for them to live a particular type of lifestyle. These homes will be single story, detached cottage style homes. They are maintenance-free living, professional [1:58:11, 1:58:27]: on-site management, single family style living with neighborhood amenities, backyards. So if you have a dog, instead of being in an apartment complex and having to worry about coming downstairs and going out with your dog, you can have your dog in your own private yard that is a part of this rental community. [1:58:29, 1:58:49]: Um Avila residents are renters by choice. Many of them have financial means to buy a home, but they choose not to at this point in their lives. Many of them are professional millennials, midlife singles, uh dual-income couples, and empty nesters. 58%, and they're going across the board of all the Avilla um properties that they own and operate, 58% of [1:58:49, 1:59:09]: The individuals who live in there are over the age of 35, and 23% are over the age of 55. The average income in those households tend to be about$132,000. Minor occupants, only 20% of the households even have children. Again, when we look at um [1:59:08, 1:59:23]: the marital status of the people in uh those homes. Um we do have a lot of single individuals, um people who may be widowed or separated, um living in the homes as well, and roughly about forty-three percent of the people are married. [1:59:24, 1:59:37]: Children, again, less than 20% of the folks in these homes have children. Um if they do, it's usually only one child at 11.2%, um two children at six percent and three or more only um two point one percent. [1:59:38, 1:59:58]: Um we believe that this is an opportunity to provide again an alternative to housing. We know that we are in a housing shortage, that there is a need for housing, there are a need for different types of housing, and we believe that this is a housing product that we simply have not seen. Um a lot of times that um the folks who [1:59:58, 2:00:18]: Are moving into these communities again, or people who have made the decision not to live in that single-family detached home any longer that they're paying for and that they have to worry about maintenance and the like. These are perfect for seniors who have resources, but maybe coming out of a larger home, wanting to downsize, don't [2:00:18, 2:00:38]: Want all the extra headaches of home ownership, but want to live not maybe in a designated senior community, but continue to live around others who are of varying ages, but have a space where they have a backyard and you don't have to worry again about all the maintenance. [2:00:38, 2:00:58]: Maintenance and the like. We're here to answer any questions that you may have. I'll take uh I guess we've got three applications to go through, so I'll have plenty of time for rebuttal, but wanted to kind of give you an overview of the project, and we are here to answer any questions. We do have um Sean Rust, who is here with um Next Metro, and he's available as well. [2:00:58, 2:01:05]: to answer any questions that you may have. But we're very excited about this opportunity and thank you for the opportunity to come before you this evening. [2:01:07, 2:01:08]: Thank you, Ms. Battle. [2:01:10, 2:01:13]: Are there any questions from my fellow commissioners? [2:01:15, 2:01:16]: For the applicant. [2:01:17, 2:01:19]: This is just for annexation, right? [2:01:20, 2:01:21]: I'm sorry. [2:01:22, 2:01:25]: This is just for the annexation portion, right? Correct. Yeah. That is correct. [2:01:27, 2:01:28]: Any questions? [2:01:30, 2:01:32]: Thank you, Ms. Barrett. Thank you. [2:01:33, 2:01:38]: I'm gonna open it up now for public comments. [2:01:39, 2:01:46]: Uh and and you've been given instructions earlier on how we do that, what the process is. [2:01:48, 2:01:57]: So at this time I would like to entertain anybody that's in the audience who's in favor of this [2:01:58, 2:01:59]: Project. [2:02:03, 2:02:15]: Hearing none, then I will open it up for anyone who's opposed. I trust that you fill out a form. If you will state your name and address, speaking to the microphone, you have three minutes. [2:02:15, 2:02:30]: Connie Snow, 426 Chase, Marion Way, McDonough, Georgia, 3025 30253. First of all, thank you for letting me speak today. Um, to the lady that just spoke about the development that she's proposing outside of my neighborhood. [2:02:30, 2:02:39]: You speak about a pool and a gazebo. Well, that's great. We won't ever get to use it. But let me ask you a question. What are you gonna do about the multiple times that [2:02:39, 2:02:45]: You have security interferences with people breaking in and breaking stuff. The reason why I bring that up today is. [2:02:46, 2:03:06]: I've lived at my house for 19 years. When I bought my house 19 years ago, it was an idyllic place to raise my child. In the past five years, it has turned nothing more to a crime-filled area that I worry about my kids' safety. In addition, a few years ago we built a racetrack, which increased the foot traffic in my neighbor. [2:03:06, 2:03:09]: In the past two years my car has been stolen from my driveway. [2:03:09, 2:03:29]: Six months ago, I went out to check on a neighbor because I seen an ambulance in front of her house. She's a single lady, lives on her own, been my neighbor for 20 years, really worried about her. Worst mistake I ever made that night. I walked out of my house at two o'clock in the morning to check on a neighbor that I was worried about because I was up late by myself. My family was asleep. [2:03:30, 2:03:33]: I left the door unlocked. As I walked away and walked over to check on my neighbor, [2:03:34, 2:03:47]: There were five or six police cars surrounding her house. She was inside safely, thank God. They had detained some individuals. During that detainment, one broke free, pushed me to the ground, and the police also pushed me to the ground and refused to let me enter my home. [2:03:48, 2:03:54]: During the forty five minutes to an hour that I was waiting to go back home, I was worried if my door was locked, if my children were safe. [2:03:55, 2:04:15]: It took me 30 minutes to get a hold of somebody to lock that door. And in that meantime, I watched as that individual ran up my steps and the police tackled him. That is one of eight to ten incidences of crime I've seen rise in my neighborhood in the past year alone. So don't tell me for a moment that your apartment complex will not bring more crime. In addition. [2:04:15, 2:04:24]: I live in front of the high school and the middle school and probably about a half a mile from the elementary school. Ninety percent of the kids in my neighborhood walk. [2:04:25, 2:04:41]: to the element or walk to the middle school and the high school. They do not ride the bus. There are no sidewalks on that school area. The traffic increase, the crazy drivers. What are you going to do to make sure that my kids do not get hit by one of your tenants in your neighborhood? [2:04:42, 2:04:50]: What are you going to do to make sure that my neighborhood, which is directly behind that, is safe and protected? Excuse me, ma'am. You have to address the chairman, please. [2:04:51, 2:05:11]: At the end of the day, you guys, you want to talk about, she said, uh, most people don't want to own. You're wrong. They do. They can't afford it. They can't afford it because people like you, yourself back here, keep buying the property and make it impossible for them to afford a home of their own. So don't act like they don't want to own. They don't have the availability to. [2:05:10, 2:05:13]: do so due to the corruption and corporate politics. [2:05:15, 2:05:22]: I can keep going on here and here, and I'm can stay here for all your rezoning questions, but I'm not. What I'm going to tell you tonight is I'm strongly opposed to it. [2:05:23, 2:05:28]: I'm strongly opposed to you guys continually deteriorating our neighborhoods. [2:05:28, 2:05:31]: To rezone us into Stockbridge is wrong. [2:05:31, 2:05:33]: Ви вона стай ру. [2:05:33, 2:05:38]: Agriculture. I like coming out in the morning and seeing my deers, the cranes. They're all going away now. [2:05:39, 2:05:46]: When I leave my driveway to go to work, I almost hit five deers every day. Why? Because they have nowhere to go, because you keep cutting it down. [2:05:46, 2:05:54]: I did not move to Henry County to get away from Clayton County and the crime to be right where I'm at 20 years later. [2:05:54, 2:05:59]: And to be in a position where I can't sell my house because there's nowhere else to go. [2:06:00, 2:06:04]: At some point, you guys up here have to make a decision what's best for us. [2:06:04, 2:06:09]: 'Cause you're not. I've listened all night to this meeting where it's been unorganized. [2:06:10, 2:06:12]: Gen does not fill it out correctly. [2:06:13, 2:06:14]: And just not very [2:06:14, 2:06:17]: informative. Most people didn't even get a notice. [2:06:18, 2:06:18]: Do better. [2:06:20, 2:06:23]: And I'd also like a copy of all the minute meetings, please. Thank you. Have a good night. [2:06:25, 2:06:25]: Yeah. [2:06:29, 2:06:30]: Yeah. [2:06:43, 2:07:03]: Um my name's Ann Fields and my address is three two nine Chase Marion Way. I l am the like eighth house down the street from the corner of Holloway on the left side. I moved here a year ago, a couple months, year and a couple months, relocated from Pittsburgh. [2:07:03, 2:07:06]: Pennsylvania for Delta Airlines. [2:07:08, 2:07:11]: During the time that I had been offered my position in [2:07:13, 2:07:20]: My interest rate was two and a quarter percent in Pittsburgh. It took me six months to sell because of the housing market being so different up there than it was down here. [2:07:21, 2:07:22]: I immediately [2:07:22, 2:07:26]: In December, when my household started looking for a new place down here. [2:07:26, 2:07:29]: Retained a real letter out of Noonan and began looking from Noonan to [2:07:30, 2:07:43]: To God knows where towards the ocean at this point because we couldn't get a house. Thirty lost bids later I was able to secure Chase Marion Way. I flew down, my furniture fit. [2:07:43, 2:07:47]: I wasn't going to lose my delta job. I took the house. [2:07:50, 2:07:52]: So we get the letters in the mail. [2:07:53, 2:08:01]: And for the annexing piece of this conversation, I have one question, which is really, I guess, directed towards [2:08:02, 2:08:06]: the people who want to do the development, but maybe you know the answer. [2:08:07, 2:08:12]: If you re-annex the land and you allow that re annexation. [2:08:13, 2:08:21]: Is the land deal a done deal for the existing owner, Miss Lin? Because I created a public post about this whole thing. [2:08:22, 2:08:27]: And Miss Lynn chimed in and she owns the property. It was her father's farm that has been butchered. [2:08:27, 2:08:33]: To make grandfather's farm, to make way for I seventy five and then subsequently Patrick Henry Parkway. [2:08:34, 2:08:39]: So all of that beautiful farmland is now highways and green space. [2:08:41, 2:08:51]: What's left of it, everyone else has passed and the girls need to sell the land. So I respect that and I understand that. We all do. [2:08:52, 2:08:57]: You can't afford to keep farmland and pay those types of property taxes if you don't have the means. [2:08:58, 2:09:07]: So my question is, is the land deal done where Miss Lynn's off the hook and the annexation would take place regardless of who owns the land? [2:09:07, 2:09:12]: Or is this deal contingent upon all three of these being passed? [2:09:13, 2:09:25]: Um, because I'm not for or against Stockbridge taking the property. I saw in the Henry County Master Plan that the future use of that was already stated as city. So to me it sounds like [2:09:26, 2:09:32]: Everyone that runs things has made up their own minds about the annexation, and the annexation's a done deal. [2:09:33, 2:09:38]: But annexation to Stockbridge would also mean an increase on the property taxes of that land. [2:09:39, 2:09:42]: Which would negative negatively impact Miss Lynn. [2:09:42, 2:09:44]: And her family [2:09:44, 2:09:48]: if the property taxes went up any further and this deal didn't go through. [2:09:50, 2:10:06]: So that would be why I'm speaking now. I'm not for or against Stockbridge taking that over. I understand it's part of the big picture, but does your annexation impact Miss Lynn and her tax bill if this deal doesn't go through? [2:10:06, 2:10:13]: Now I would like to be able to come back up and speak on the other two issues. Is that fair? Yeah. Thank you. [2:10:20, 2:10:20]: Yeah. [2:10:21, 2:10:22]: Opposition. [2:10:22, 2:10:26]: You took people up the floor with all opposition. [2:10:30, 2:10:31]: How are you doing this, even? [2:10:31, 2:10:35]: I'm Kenneth Kemple. I live at Fortin Chase Marion Way. [2:10:36, 2:10:56]: McDonald, Georgia. I've lived there for since 1995. And the biggest question I have is the traffic down. Patrick Henry. And then you got Holloway. You got the two schools, and we already got people cutting through there. You cannot get out of the neighborhood during school hours or after school hours. Even police are [2:10:56, 2:11:06]: cannot go through the neighborhood. With the m new traffic added, it's gonna make it more dangerous for fire amlets police. [2:11:10, 2:11:10]: Okay. [2:11:12, 2:11:14]: Oh I thought he was asking you a question. [2:11:16, 2:11:33]: Um trying to think of all the other stuff I was gonna say about it. Oh, and if we have a thunderstorm with Georgia Power is a communication Georgia Power down the road of Patrick Henry. It's not actually Georgia Power there. But a slight breeze will knock out [2:11:35, 2:11:42]: Chase Trail, Chase Marion Way. I mean the power goes off with just the slightest thunderstorm. [2:11:43, 2:11:47]: And they haven't fixed the power problem for ever since I lived there. [2:11:48, 2:11:49]: Yeah, I've been there for twenty years. [2:11:50, 2:11:53]: And that's about all I have to say. And thank you very much. [2:12:08, 2:12:28]: Hi, I'm Tasha Kempel. I live at 410 Chase Marion Way, McDonough, Georgia, three hundred two five three. I do not agree with the index in this for the city of Stockbridge. Um I moved here. That's my husband. Been here for sixteen and a half years. I love my home. I love that it's in Henry County. [2:12:28, 2:12:44]: I used to live in Stockbridge growing up. Um things changed, don't agree with a lot. Um, but there are some pros and there's some cons, of course. Um I was listening to the lady state that um [2:12:44, 2:12:47]: She was interested in that land. [2:12:47, 2:12:50]: To be put in the city of Stockbridge [2:12:51, 2:12:58]: But because of the land across the street is adjacent to City of Stockbridge, why does she like not put her? [2:12:58, 2:13:02]: rental property on that property, why does it have to be next to my neighborhood? [2:13:04, 2:13:07]: My husband retired from the Henry County Sheriff Department. [2:13:08, 2:13:17]: We have had so much crime in this neighborhood, it is unreal. Just like Miss Connie Snow has stated, it is true, I've witnessed it. [2:13:17, 2:13:20]: I'm two doors down from her house. [2:13:21, 2:13:29]: My husband's squat car, sitting in the driveway, had a criminal sit there and spray paint his car in orange spray paint. [2:13:29, 2:13:35]: What happened to that incident, I don't know. He was a juvenile. I have no clue. [2:13:35, 2:13:45]: My m my neighbor that's beside me over there, she had her mailbox sprayed and paint. We've had drive by shootings in this neighborhood. What is gonna protect us? [2:13:45, 2:13:52]: from another community like this to come and like is it gonna like increase in the crime? What's gonna go on? [2:13:52, 2:13:54]: That's my question. Like [2:13:55, 2:13:58]: I don't feel safe in my own neighborhood nowadays. [2:13:58, 2:13:59]: And [2:13:59, 2:14:03]: The fencing, what kind of fencing are they gonna put around this property? [2:14:04, 2:14:11]: Another thing is they have a pr retention pond that they're wanting to put on the back site that would be close to my house. [2:14:11, 2:14:14]: The hospital already has a retention pond. [2:14:14, 2:14:30]: So that's gonna be double the mosquitoes that are gonna attack my neighborhood where um I love going outside. I'm not I'm like I've got my outside like little fire pit, little lounge. I love it. The nature is beautiful. So y'all are gonna tear down these trees. [2:14:31, 2:14:32]: That's not right. [2:14:33, 2:14:42]: But anyways, I do not oppose of it being city of Sotbridge and I respectfully hope that you grant my wish that this does not happen. Thank you. [2:14:56, 2:15:13]: Good evening. My name is Rose Sweeton. I reside at nine six two Chase Trail, McDonough. And I must live in a different area'cause I live in a night I mean, I think I live in a safe area and now I'm kinda nervous. But um all I have to say is [2:15:15, 2:15:35]: I'm not too sure about what everything else except for a place is going right here. And I've lived there since I'm in the second phase. I've been there since nineteen ninety-six. So I call myself one of the oldies, been around there. I've raised my kids there. We played in I've gone in the woods with my kids back there, up and down the woods behind our house. [2:15:35, 2:15:55]: That followed along Patrick Henry Parkway. I wasn't opposed when they put the parkway back there because that gave more room for people to come during traffic time, which is really bad now. But only thing I'm saying is there's just not enough room back there to put more housing. You might see it on paper, and sometimes look good on the paper. [2:15:55, 2:16:10]: on paper. But when you put it into action, it's not so good. So I'm just saying I'm opposed because I just there's just you're just throwing more little ants back there. There's just not enough room to put all those people back there. [2:16:11, 2:16:17]: And I just this is sidebar. I just don't understand. I know growth is growth, but [2:16:17, 2:16:37]: We have seen so many places going up in Mc in McDonough. I mean, so many different apartments all over the place. Has anyone been up and down 75 on that traffic? It's a joke to my friends that live in Calweda County or other places. You know, my sister's like, I'm coming to [2:16:37, 2:16:42]: to see you Friday, but I'm coming, you know, like twelve o'clock to miss all your traffic. [2:16:42, 2:16:43]: But [2:16:43, 2:16:54]: I am opposed to putting the location there. Is it a nice location? Sure. I mean what they're speaking of, what they're wanting to do, yeah it looks really nice. Just not right there. [2:16:55, 2:16:55]: Thank you. [2:17:05, 2:17:07]: So you speaking? [2:17:09, 2:17:10]: Yeah. [2:17:10, 2:17:12]: Are you approaching the podium? Yes, sir. Go ahead. [2:17:14, 2:17:15]: Even everybody. [2:17:15, 2:17:18]: Wait till you get to the wait till you get to the podium, please. [2:17:20, 2:17:22]: Good evening, everybody. I'm I'm Mr. Johnson. [2:17:22, 2:17:29]: Chase Marinway being there roughly. Could you speak into the mic so we can all hear you? The mic is on your left hand side. [2:17:30, 2:17:36]: Twenty seven years and I concur with many things that was said about our concerns about our community. [2:17:38, 2:17:39]: I'm concerned. [2:17:42, 2:17:44]: about the congestion. At the same token [2:17:45, 2:17:47]: There's been many things mentioned about that particular street. [2:17:48, 2:17:51]: And the promises of what was supposed to have been coming over there. [2:17:52, 2:18:00]: Prior to what was built on Jonesboro Road with the Home Depot and all those shops. But because of people and persons in Eagles Landing, [2:18:01, 2:18:01]: Um [2:18:02, 2:18:05]: not making that pass, then all that money [2:18:06, 2:18:08]: Is on Jonesboro that would have been on Patrick Henry. [2:18:09, 2:18:10]: Oh. [2:18:10, 2:18:12]: was not allowed. [2:18:12, 2:18:13]: I do understand. [2:18:15, 2:18:21]: Growth and I do understand money, I do understand increase and looking looking longevity. [2:18:22, 2:18:23]: At the same token [2:18:24, 2:18:25]: Just like yell. [2:18:26, 2:18:27]: Getting close to a hundred, I'm right behind y'all. [2:18:28, 2:18:29]: I'm getting up there too. [2:18:30, 2:18:32]: And trying to think logically. [2:18:32, 2:18:35]: For the young folks behind us, our children and our grandchildren. [2:18:36, 2:18:37]: What would be the right thing? [2:18:39, 2:18:40]: Yes, that [2:18:40, 2:18:41]: Complex. [2:18:42, 2:18:43]: Looks familiar. [2:18:44, 2:18:47]: With some places I have seen in this country of North America. [2:18:47, 2:18:48]: Where they build a new [2:18:49, 2:18:50]: communities like that. [2:18:51, 2:18:55]: And it's good to hear there's more of a ranch style instead of a two, three story type function. [2:18:59, 2:19:02]: My neighbor, you mentioned about a wall. [2:19:02, 2:19:09]: And that that concerns me too. Would it be a wall? Would it be a solid wall? Would it be a fence? Would it would it would it uh cut the noise out? [2:19:10, 2:19:11]: Crime is gonna come. [2:19:13, 2:19:14]: Crime is going to come. [2:19:15, 2:19:19]: I reckon I heard recently about a uh a a bus. [2:19:19, 2:19:21]: We're getting many buses in Henry County. [2:19:22, 2:19:23]: So with that being said. [2:19:23, 2:19:24]: That's more traffic. [2:19:27, 2:19:28]: Where do we go from here? [2:19:28, 2:19:29]: I don't know. [2:19:30, 2:19:32]: How firm the board is on saying yep. [2:19:34, 2:19:35]: It's gonna it's gonna happen. [2:19:35, 2:19:38]: We we green light it and they're gonna start. [2:19:38, 2:19:40]: Tearing the trees down. [2:19:40, 2:19:41]: Come April next year. [2:19:42, 2:19:42]: I don't know. [2:19:44, 2:19:45]: But I stand in agreement with my [2:19:46, 2:19:47]: Fellow homeowners. [2:19:48, 2:19:50]: And being concerned about our community. [2:19:50, 2:19:52]: Just like you will be concerned about [2:19:53, 2:19:54]: Your back door at your home where you live. [2:19:57, 2:19:59]: How can we walk out of here tonight? [2:20:00, 2:20:02]: And a win on this side of [2:20:03, 2:20:03]: Yo counter. [2:20:05, 2:20:16]: And say that we went and stood and we said what needed to be said to convince you all to tell the builders and owners, we're gonna veto this, we're not gonna allow this to happen right now in this season. [2:20:17, 2:20:18]: Yes, I would like for that to happen. [2:20:19, 2:20:20]: Will it happen? [2:20:20, 2:20:21]: We shall soon find out. [2:20:23, 2:20:25]: Please do not allow my words. [2:20:25, 2:20:27]: For being in agreement with my [2:20:29, 2:20:30]: Fellow homeowners. [2:20:31, 2:20:32]: To go in vain. [2:20:33, 2:20:35]: As I stand before you all tonight. [2:20:36, 2:20:36]: Thank you for your time. [2:20:50, 2:20:52]: Hello, I'm Jody Messler. I live at [2:20:52, 2:21:12]: 320 Chase Marion Way. And I am opposed to this development. Um I've been living here for 28 years in the community. I actually was born in Stockbridge. So I've been here for a long time. Um [2:21:12, 2:21:13]: [8473.3, 8493.3]: We when like Kenny said, when the power goes off, we don't have power for at least an hour, sometimes a day. So if if they build this, it's gonna just the if we have a thunderstorm, we're not gonna have power. And I work at home. So that affects my income. Um one of the parents told me. [2:21:33, 2:21:52]: Me that I work with, he works at the hospital, he works in the ER. There's not enough beds in that hospital for to accommodate the people here. The hospitals are backed up for eight hours. If you want emergency care, you can't get it. [2:21:53, 2:21:58]: And the fence that they're talking about building in this community. [2:21:58, 2:21:59]: It's [2:22:00, 2:22:20]: It's gonna allow for dogs to come through and kids to come through and crime to come through. We we're gonna need something there if you could consider if they're gonna build something there to please leave some green space, leave some trees. Uh don't put that many houses that's h high to residential. Just if it's possible, build something else that's [2:22:20, 2:22:32]: At least more rural f and better for our community. Because we're really afraid for our s and we really would like better safety. [2:22:32, 2:22:40]: And rental properties tend to bring our property value down. And I would like to keep our property value up. [2:22:41, 2:22:47]: And of course we've heard about the traffic. My kids had to walk to the schools without sidewalks. [2:22:48, 2:23:01]: This is gonna bring more traffic and more fast people driving down the roads. Nobody the the police are never there stopping these really fast cars in our neighborhood. I walk my dog every day. [2:23:02, 2:23:20]: I have to just uh on no sidewalks and the cars are just really fast and I wish we could do something about that too. This is just gonna add to the the traffic, it's gonna add to pollution. There's gonna be a trash can, a tr a big trash [2:23:22, 2:23:26]: Dumpster right in front of my home. [2:23:27, 2:23:45]: And I'd and the the pond, the retention pond. There's gonna be no more trees and I love trees. I'm always walking and I'd I hate to see those trees cut down. Um these are just a lot of my concerns and I just I'm not aga I'm not for this development. [2:23:47, 2:23:48]: Chairman, time has elapsed. [2:23:57, 2:23:58]: Anyone else? [2:24:06, 2:24:07]: Okay. [2:24:09, 2:24:09]: Hello. [2:24:10, 2:24:12]: My name is Jacqueline Smalley. I live at two eight. [2:24:13, 2:24:14]: What's going on? [2:24:15, 2:24:16]: Okay. [2:24:16, 2:24:31]: Can you hear me now? I'm Jacqueline Smiley. I live at 218 Eagles Crest Court in Madonna, Georgia. This is my first time ever being in in any type of meeting like this, so forgive me if I don't seem so professional. But I would like to say that [2:24:32, 2:24:35]: I am considering I let me put it like this here. [2:24:35, 2:24:47]: I was raised in the projects. I come from the projects and low income housing. But back then we were decent. We didn't kill people. We didn't steal and rob. Today that's what we have. And [2:24:47, 2:24:54]: When she mentioned about um low income housing or people with financial needs. [2:24:54, 2:24:59]: They may have financial needs, but what other needs do they have? They don't wanna work. They may come and want us [2:25:00, 2:25:17]: break to take our cars, steal out with uh break into our homes, hurt our children. Um I'm really afraid of this new development coming into our neighborhood. It's been peaceful there. I've been there since 2001. Never had any problems like we're having now. And [2:25:17, 2:25:23]: I do believe that it's I know I don't believe, I know for sure that it's gonna be worse. [2:25:23, 2:25:24]: Um [2:25:24, 2:25:29]: when they if they bring this into our community. It's not a lot of space there already. [2:25:30, 2:25:37]: You can't even drive out of Hap Holloway Road and Patrick Henry Highway because it's so much traffic there. Are they gonna put up lights? [2:25:37, 2:25:47]: Tipper to allow us to start traveling so we won't be congested and taking us twenty minutes to get out of our own neighborhoods along with that just to go on to Patrionia Highway. [2:25:48, 2:25:50]: And also what about [2:25:51, 2:25:51]: Are we? [2:25:52, 2:25:53]: House. [2:25:53, 2:25:56]: Does a don't apartments decrease our house value? [2:25:56, 2:25:58]: We have put a lot in our houses. [2:26:00, 2:26:02]: Renovated them, upgraded them. [2:26:03, 2:26:04]: None of that would count. [2:26:04, 2:26:06]: If these apartments come. [2:26:07, 2:26:09]: And if it's true, I don't know. [2:26:09, 2:26:14]: But I'm told and when I'm research that apartments do bring down the value of our houses. [2:26:15, 2:26:19]: It wasn't easy for us to buy a house. We struggled. [2:26:21, 2:26:24]: And so we would like to maintain that and keep our neighborhoods safe. [2:26:25, 2:26:27]: Анестила промас де ви хал секері. [2:26:28, 2:26:30]: Were you promised that? [2:26:31, 2:26:36]: We have police zoom zoom uh ride up and down our streets watching us. [2:26:37, 2:26:43]: And this fence, I'm not familiar with this fence. I can't even talk about it. But I'm pretty sure if it's man made, it can be unmade. [2:26:45, 2:26:45]: So [2:26:46, 2:26:47]: That's all I have to say. [2:26:48, 2:26:52]: And I hope you consider what we all have said and our concerns. [2:26:52, 2:26:58]: And also I am a twenty four year retired military veteran, active duty, twenty four year. [2:26:59, 2:27:01]: Iraq, Kuwait. [2:27:02, 2:27:05]: I don't wanna have to have war in my own community. [2:27:06, 2:27:08]: Thank you. I want to thank you for your service. Thank you. [2:27:14, 2:27:15]: Anyone else? [2:27:29, 2:27:49]: Good evening. My name is Nicole Eva. I reside in eleven forty-seven Collins Court, McDonald, Georgia, thirty-twenty-five-three. I am sixteen years old, so I know that my opinion may not be as much of importance as the people around me. Um, but I would like to express my concerns. [2:27:49, 2:28:08]: And really urge everyone here to take in consideration everything that we have said. Um f over these past fifteen years, I have lived with change and I have invited it all, but seeing that [2:28:09, 2:28:24]: The experiences that everyone here has endured and also past makes me think of how worse it can get from the developments that may happen and that can come to pass. Um [2:28:25, 2:28:45]: As said, the hospitals, traffic, everything can worsen. And while I try to look at the pros and the positive things that may come from this project, giving people opportunities to live here, I also am pained to know that there has been people [2:28:45, 2:28:48]: who have been assaulted and also [2:28:48, 2:29:07]: stalks and it pains me to know that the people in my neighborhood are worried for so much stuff. And I just once again I know my opinion may not be as well versed or also not much of [2:29:10, 2:29:28]: put into consideration, I would like for a voice at least of a younger crowd of a younger generation to at least be able to put it forth and let you all come to terms that it doesn't only affect the people of older generations but also of mine as well. [2:29:29, 2:29:30]: Thank you. [2:29:31, 2:29:51]: Thank you. Well let me say your opinion does count. And uh I think uh what everyone has spoken to this evening is about you, but you who are the future of this country, this stockbridge, the city, the municipality, et cetera. So yeah, your opinion does count and I'd love to see more young people come out and uh express themselves [2:29:50, 2:29:57]: in terms of the development and the future of the community. So don't think that your opinion does not count. Thank you. [2:30:02, 2:30:03]: Anyone else? [2:30:11, 2:30:28]: Good evening everybody. My name is Harold Webster and um I'm also on Chase Marion Way. And I was actually looking at that property because I'm a real estate agent and I it it laid off market for a while and I didn't know who purchased it. So then I was curious to know who purchased it and I saw the little sign that was way down the street. [2:30:29, 2:30:30]: You couldn't see it, so [2:30:32, 2:30:45]: I was able to get the take a picture of it and, you know, just express what she was saying that that's not true that I'm not gonna say it's not true, but as a realtor we're having problems with, you know, any kind of inventory. [2:30:45, 2:30:52]: First time buyers are not able to buy because the inventory is not there and we're creating more like [2:30:53, 2:31:11]: renters, right? So there's a a subdivision behind us that they built a whole bunch of houses that's going for like$25,$2,600 a house, you know, but it's it's locking everybody else that's first time buyers out of the market. So I just wanted to put my two cents there. And that that area is so congested [2:31:11, 2:31:12]: Just getting out [2:31:13, 2:31:18]: of that uh off of Holloway on to Patrick Henry is a problem. [2:31:18, 2:31:28]: Um there I can imagine I was thinking about maybe putting one or two houses over there, but a hundred and thirty that's insane. Really, it's insane. I really can't [2:31:28, 2:31:39]: believe that they thought that they could put a hundred and thirty two anything over there'cause it's just a little parcel and then you got the little um reti I don't know what it is, a retirement home or whatever that is over there. But it's just not enough. [2:31:40, 2:31:41]: Space, I mean [2:31:42, 2:31:53]: And the wind blows, the electricity go out, you know, and all those problems that that that we're having, especially with the inventory, which is my concern as an agent, you know. So I just wanted to say that. Thank y'all for your time. [2:32:00, 2:32:01]: Anyone else? [2:32:04, 2:32:11]: That was all opposition. Is anybody uh support any support for it? We didn't get any problems. [2:32:13, 2:32:18]: Uh that closes the public comment. Uh where are we? [2:32:24, 2:32:32]: Yeah, I mean commissions, comments, questions, and ready for a vote? Yeah, I would say no to that. [2:32:32, 2:32:33]: Oh. [2:32:33, 2:32:36]: Yeah, may I have motion? [2:32:42, 2:32:53]: Mr Chairman, before you call for the vote on this annexation case, I just have a comment for uh the applicant. [2:32:55, 2:33:00]: Um, Miss Battle, you've been before this commission uh on numerous occasions and [2:33:02, 2:33:08]: Most of the times I've been able to support what you put forth and there have been a few times that I didn't. [2:33:09, 2:33:19]: But I wanted to commend you because each time that you've come before us you've always been on point with your presentations. [2:33:20, 2:33:24]: And you've always been informative. And I just want to thank you for that. [2:33:25, 2:33:28]: I have two comments though. Um [2:33:30, 2:33:33]: that I would like to put out. Um [2:33:34, 2:33:42]: The annexation is not a prerequisite, uh to the way I understand it, for you to develop this project. [2:33:44, 2:33:55]: Uh, you could very easily do that. Well, I don't know if it would be easy, but I believe you could accomplish your objectives with the property remaining in Henry County. [2:33:59, 2:34:02]: The second comment I have is [2:34:06, 2:34:16]: Stockbridge recently completed an intensive endeavor to do annexation and one of the main reasons that we [2:34:17, 2:34:23]: attempted that and accomplished that was to close up some of the doughnut holes in the city. [2:34:25, 2:34:30]: And it looks to me from my observation that this property [2:34:31, 2:34:40]: Is almost surrounded by unincorporated Henry County properties. So if we annexed it, then we would be [2:34:41, 2:34:57]: doing something contrary to what we just annexed to try to get rid of. The donut holes. So we would be creating another donut hole by annexing this property into the city. That's my opinion. [2:34:58, 2:34:58]: Mr. Chair. [2:35:00, 2:35:14]: Go ahead. I'm done. That's all I wanted to say. I'm our I'm right. On this side. Oh, I'm sorry. Uh I make a motion that we deny the annex fa annexification case uh AX twenty twenty three dash O three. [2:35:16, 2:35:18]: Mr. Stan Doom, so I second that motion. [2:35:19, 2:35:22]: Been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. [2:35:23, 2:35:26]: Aye. Those opposed? Nay. [2:35:27, 2:35:28]: We have [2:35:29, 2:35:36]: Three uh nay we would have three three ayes support and one nay. [2:35:37, 2:35:40]: No no, I mean I d I didn't support it. [2:35:40, 2:35:45]: The motion was to deny the annotation. So we have three eyes and one nay. [2:35:46, 2:35:49]: Yeah. Okay. That's what we make sure. Good cow. [2:35:51, 2:35:59]: All those in favor, let it be well, we already said let it be known by sign of eye. Those opposed, motion is carried. The application for annexation is denied. [2:36:00, 2:36:02]: Mr. Chairman, who who [2:36:03, 2:36:05]: Who is [2:36:06, 2:36:09]: Jaden Jaden made the uh initial motion. [2:36:09, 2:36:10]: So tonight. [2:36:10, 2:36:11]: To deny. [2:36:12, 2:36:13]: Thibodeau supported it. [2:36:15, 2:36:18]: Doom was seconded. And Doom was seconded. [2:36:20, 2:36:21]: And who was opposed? [2:36:22, 2:36:23]: Uh [2:36:29, 2:36:30]: You got it? [2:36:31, 2:36:35]: Plash on was nine with nay. [2:36:37, 2:36:38]: They don't stand up. [2:36:39, 2:36:41]: I voted no to the motion. [2:36:47, 2:36:50]: Do you catch that, Miss uh Okay. [2:36:50, 2:36:52]: So on the next on the next two uh [2:36:53, 2:36:55]: Chairman Abdullah all you have to do is read'em into [2:36:57, 2:36:57]: Yeah. [2:36:58, 2:37:00]: And make a motion. We don't have to have a hearing on'em. [2:37:02, 2:37:03]: No problem. [2:37:05, 2:37:25]: That would be item um 11 and 12. Comprehensive plan amendment CP 2023-3 to be located in Council District 5. Consideration of a request for a comprehensive plan amendment to assign future land use designation of high density residential to property at 77 and 87. [2:37:25, 2:37:45]: Holloway Road, which are frontage on Patrick Hendrick Parkway, located in unincorporated Henry County. If and after the parcels are annexed into the Stockbridge City Limit, the purpose of the request is to allow for a mixed residential development. The applicant is next Metro Acquisitions LLC Care of Battle Law PC. The property contains two parcels. [2:37:45, 2:37:55]: parcels as are listed below in land loss fifty of district six and fourteen point one six two acres plus or minus total total acres. [2:37:56, 2:38:00]: Seventy seven Holloway Road, parcel number zero five two. [2:38:00, 2:38:15]: Dash zero one zero two three thousand contains one point one six sixty plus or minus acres. Eighty seven Holloway Road parcel number zero five two zero one oh two four thousand contains thirteen point [2:38:17, 2:38:22]: twelve zero point twelve plus or minus acres to be sent by the community development staff. [2:38:23, 2:38:27]: The next item was rezoning case number RZ twenty twenty-three oh four. [2:38:28, 2:38:36]: To be located in Council District Five to request a r a request to assign the zoning district of PUD PUD Plan Unit Development. [2:38:37, 2:38:38]: The two [2:38:38, 2:38:44]: Parceled at seventy seven and eighty seven Holloway Road, which fronted John Park Patrick Henry Parkway. [2:38:44, 2:39:04]: Located in unincorporated Henry County. If and after the parcels are annexed into the city of Stockbridge, into Stockbridge City limits, the purpose of the request is to allow for a mixed residential development. The applicant is next Metro Acquisitions LLC, care of Battle Law PC. The property contains two parcels as listed below. [2:39:04, 2:39:20]: in land lot fifty of district six with fourteen point one sixty two plus or minus acres. 77 Holloway World, parcel number 05201023000, contain 1.160 plus or minus acres. [2:39:21, 2:39:41]: 87 Holloway Parkway Road contains which is 05201024000 contains 13.012 plus or minus acres to be presented by community development staff. Uh uh Chairman Abdullah Sure uh make a motion for each item. [2:39:41, 2:39:42]: [9584.2, 9590.2]: We have a motion for the respective items. Mr. Chairman, with respect to item number eleven. [2:39:50, 2:39:54]: The comprehensive plan amendment, I move that the it be denied. [2:39:55, 2:40:08]: I have a second. Jaden Williams, second. Been moved and second. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Hearing none, the ayes have it. The motion is d uh is denied. Applicant is denied. [2:40:08, 2:40:19]: Mr. Chairman, with respect to item number twelve, the rezoning case, RZ twenty twenty-three-04, I recommend a denial as well. [2:40:20, 2:40:32]: There's second. Second, Jaden Williams. It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed. Hearing none, the ayes have it. Application is denied. [2:40:40, 2:40:42]: That brings us to item thirteen. [2:40:50, 2:41:10]: Item 13, comprehensive plan amendment case number CP 202304, Council District 2. Consideration of a request for a comprehensive plan amendment to change the future land use designation of three parcels on Davidson Parkway and Walter Way, from low density vertical mixed use to high density residential to allow for. [2:41:09, 2:41:29]: Mixed residential development. The applicant is D. R. Horton, Atlanta East, represented by Tiffany D. Hogan. The property contains three parcels as are listed below in landlot 57 of District 12 with 79.16 plus or minus acres. [2:41:29, 2:41:49]: Parcel 03001 01009000 contains 73.859 plus or minus acres. Parcel 03001009595 contains 3.636 plus or minus acres. [2:41:49, 2:42:02]: Parcel number 0300110096 contains 1.369 plus or minus acres to be presented by the community staff develop by the community development staff. [2:42:05, 2:42:25]: Good evening. I'm Linda Logan, Senior Planner. Um, yes, we have advertised three parcels for this case. And so I'll show you the aerial photos of them. The largest one is shown in this photo. It's right next to I-75 where it joins with I-675. And we have adjacent to the east. [2:42:25, 2:42:32]: East on Walter Way, the existing North Bridge Crossing Subdivision. [2:42:32, 2:42:49]: uh shown here is a small parcel it's one of the smaller parcels also on Walter Way and then the third parcel is this one. This is in the curve of Davidson Parkway and in fact that would be uh the location of the main access to the development. [2:42:50, 2:42:52]: The applicant is D. R. Horton. [2:42:52, 2:42:54]: Um and [2:42:54, 2:42:57]: So it's about seventy eight acres altogether. [2:42:58, 2:43:03]: Most of it is vacant. There is a city owned lift station toward the south end of it. [2:43:03, 2:43:06]: This is in council district two. Um the [2:43:07, 2:43:27]: They've requested um rezoning from C3 to PUD, which we'll discuss more in the next case. Um we have Clayton County um just to the north of this, and then we have vacant land to the south. There is a creek on the property. We have the drive time, uh automobiles. [2:43:27, 2:43:30]: refurbishing business um [2:43:30, 2:43:31]: Down here to the [2:43:32, 2:43:34]: To the south end. Let's see. [2:43:35, 2:43:36]: Here it's right here. [2:43:38, 2:43:40]: Okay, and then [2:43:41, 2:43:42]: Um [2:43:44, 2:44:04]: I'll move down to here. So the applicant has requested to change the future land use designation of these parcels from low density vertical mixed use to high density residential to allow a mixed-use development. There would be 312 total units, of which there would be 184 single-family detached dwellings and 128 towns. [2:44:04, 2:44:13]: Townhomes. So they will need to recombine the three parcels during the land disturbance permit process later on. [2:44:14, 2:44:25]: Uh in doing the research uh on the property, there have been a lot of zoning cases to happen in the past. One was for the existing North Bridge Crossing Development. Um [2:44:25, 2:44:31]: Then uh some others um to the south, immediately to the south was the reefs creek one. [2:44:31, 2:44:34]: DRI that was actually the in the county. [2:44:34, 2:44:54]: Um but now has been annexed into the city. But anyway, uh as part of that development, this uh property was supposed to have been developed into different commercial uses, um uh office uses, big box retail, um hotels and so forth. And then uh there was gonna be [2:44:54, 2:45:12]: be a new roadway called Reeves Creek Parkway to go through it from Davidson Parkway all the way down to uh along the interstate and connecting to well Stevens Road and possibly even creating a new interchange um there at the at the highway at the interstate. [2:45:14, 2:45:20]: About two years ago we had another rezoning case for a proposed industrial development. The council denied that. [2:45:21, 2:45:21]: Um [2:45:22, 2:45:42]: saying it was incompatible with surrounding uses because of uh truck traffic. And now more recently, on July 10th of this year, just two months ago, uh City Council approved um uh major mixed-use residential development on the property again to the south um with thirteen hundred forty seven new houses [2:45:42, 2:45:45]: [9946.4, 9956.7]: Anyway, um so the low density vertical mix mixed use is the current land use designation. It did it does need a comprehensive plan amendment to high density residential. [2:45:57, 2:46:04]: Um that's the subject of this case. We had a study called Livable Centers Initiative LCI study. [2:46:05, 2:46:09]: Um and it showed let me get to the right. [2:46:10, 2:46:22]: Here, uh these circles show different an envision um of employment centers throughout the city and this one where the subject properties would have been I-75 activity center. [2:46:22, 2:46:42]: And it was envisioned to have uh here's uh this is what was envisioned, a big box retail in the red, and uh hotels, office uses, and so forth. And then this this is this is interstate down here, and this is Davidson Parkway. So that was envisioned for this area. Um that was just a study that [2:46:42, 2:46:43]: That was done. [2:46:45, 2:47:05]: So uh there would be a HOA uh established here. Um the site plan. I mentioned the main access. Um let's here's the site plan. So off Davidson Parkway, you would have some townhomes in this area here off Davidson Parkway. That would be the main entrance. [2:47:05, 2:47:12]: And then a secondary access off Walter Way. There would be a few single-family detached homes there, about 15 of them. [2:47:13, 2:47:17]: But most of'em would be all of these in the uh gold color. [2:47:18, 2:47:23]: And then you have the creek um adjacent and they would have uh wetlands and buffers and so forth. [2:47:24, 2:47:26]: Yes, an enlargement of the site plan. [2:47:27, 2:47:28]: Um [2:47:29, 2:47:32]: So anyway, some of this we've discussed we um [2:47:32, 2:47:36]: incompatible with the rezoning zoning, which is why they need to uh rezone [2:47:37, 2:47:37]: Um [2:47:38, 2:47:43]: incompatible with the sort the town homes that they propose would be incompatible with the existing uses. [2:47:44, 2:47:46]: And it would be incompatible with [2:47:47, 2:47:52]: These uh other plans that I mentioned, L CI study and a comprehensive plan which encourages [2:47:52, 2:47:53]: Commercial nodes. [2:47:54, 2:47:55]: uh throughout the city. [2:47:56, 2:48:03]: They feel this would be an ideal location uh for commercial center, incompatible with um these other um [2:48:05, 2:48:07]: past rezonings that I mentioned before. [2:48:08, 2:48:09]: Um [2:48:09, 2:48:13]: And we feel that this would not be um the best use of the property. [2:48:14, 2:48:15]: Um [2:48:15, 2:48:25]: uh again we feel that commercial be due to properties location would would be the best thing and it would be a lost opportunity not to use it um in that way. [2:48:27, 2:48:41]: So we recommend denial of the case. Um if you choose to approve though, approval should be only if rezoning case is also approved. And of course um the three parcels would have to be combined later. [2:48:45, 2:48:48]: Do you have the applicant here? Sorry? Is the applicant here? [2:49:01, 2:49:16]: Do you have your own presentation? I do. Can I unplug it or you can leave it out here? Uh uh, okay, let's see. Let me uh first close this. Can um Okay, there's really only one place to put this in here. Let's see. [2:49:17, 2:49:17]: Checked it. [2:49:18, 2:49:22]: Oh, it's currently in use. Uh you're probably still open. Oh [2:49:22, 2:49:23]: Yeah, yeah. [2:49:25, 2:49:26]: Here, let's just close all of these. [2:49:27, 2:49:29]: I close all of these. [2:49:31, 2:49:33]: Okay, now let's try this again. [2:49:34, 2:49:36]: Okay, here we go. [2:49:40, 2:49:43]: Oh why th this acted funny here. [2:49:45, 2:49:47]: Oh, we got two of these open. [2:49:50, 2:49:51]: Worry, my computer looks worse. [2:49:52, 2:49:55]: No, it does happen in the office too. Keep keep trying this. [2:49:56, 2:50:12]: It's small. I don't think it's gonna fit, it's very small. We can't touch those as part of the computer. [2:50:14, 2:50:15]: Oh [2:50:16, 2:50:19]: This happened before at the office. Close this ridiculous. [2:50:20, 2:50:28]: Huh? How do we do that? Oh every everything. Okay. Now reopen. No. [2:50:31, 2:50:34]: You can't just reopen this? No. [2:50:35, 2:50:36]: So the USB. [2:50:36, 2:50:37]: This one? Yeah. [2:50:41, 2:50:41]: Still. [2:50:43, 2:50:45]: We're trying to remove the [2:50:46, 2:50:46]: Mm-hmm. [2:50:50, 2:50:51]: Mm-hmm. [2:51:23, 2:51:25]: Good evening, Chairman and Commissioners. Thank you so much. [2:51:26, 2:51:32]: Tiffany Hogan on behalf of DR Horton, thirteen seventy one Dogwood Drive, Conyers, Georgia. [2:51:32, 2:51:45]: I am here tonight to present to you on North Bridge Crossing Phase Two. First we are taking up the uh comprehensive land map amendment application. [2:51:47, 2:52:07]: So this is the largest parcel as staff has pointed out to you. I wanted to have this one so that we could see a good location of where the property is located. This is the current North Bridge Phase One development, which is an established community in the city of Stockbridge. [2:52:07, 2:52:27]: Amenity area is actually right here, directly across what would be from what would be one of our access points into phase two. It was always originally contemplated that there would be a phase two of this community, and as things changed with the economy and so forth. [2:52:27, 2:52:40]: uh staff has given you the history of the rezonings once that original developer was not able to complete that phase two. Because of that, actually let me go back one slide to show you. [2:52:44, 2:53:04]: Right here on the front of our property, there are actually already existing homes that were built as a part of phase one of North Bridge Crossing. So these gray boxes that are along the frontage here on Walter Way are existing homes that were built as a part of [2:53:04, 2:53:05]: Of the phase one community. [2:53:07, 2:53:14]: We are seeking a comprehensive plan amendment from low density vertical mixed use to high density residential. [2:53:16, 2:53:36]: This is a map of your current future land use that surrounds the property. The orange is already high density residential, which is again that phase one property. Also, the beige area here is also a residential use. So the uh kind of salmon pink area is our subject property right now. [2:53:36, 2:53:44]: And it wrapped around the residential and was for a vertical low density mixed use. [2:53:46, 2:54:06]: Our current site plan proposes 3.95 units per acre over 79.02 acres. And that is a pretty low density considering there are townhomes on part of the property as well. We have 33.63 acres of open space that we're leaving, or 42.6%. The requirement is 20%. [2:54:06, 2:54:18]: 20% for the rezoning that we are seeking. There are 312 total units. Of those, 128 are townhome lots and 184 single-family detached lots. [2:54:18, 2:54:25]: In your density, um, you currently have low density in the city that's one point two five to two units per acre. [2:54:25, 2:54:45]: Medium density is 2.3, 2 to 3.6 units per acre, and high density, uh, there's a gap, and it starts at 6 to 16 units per acre. So again, keep in mind that we are proposing a plan that shows 3.95 units per acre currently. But because there is that gap there, it bumps us up to how [2:54:45, 2:55:05]: To apply for high density residential. And I did want to point that out because typically, when you're thinking high density, you're thinking more units per acre and a far more dense use, high-intensity use. And for purposes of not muddy muddying the two applications, I will stop there. [2:55:05, 2:55:11]: and then proceed with the zoning portion of my presentation after uh discussion on this one. [2:55:13, 2:55:14]: Thank you. [2:55:43, 2:55:44]: Open for public comment. [2:55:49, 2:55:53]: Those who support, those who oppose. Are you supporting or opposing? [2:55:57, 2:56:10]: I guess I'm a little confused because it's sounds like there's two phases to this. Um a phase one and a phase two, not so much as the building, but I guess one is approved and the other is not. You feel like you have to be a reform, right? How do you approach the podium? [2:56:14, 2:56:16]: But with your name and address. [2:56:16, 2:56:20]: Hi, I'm Lashonda Green and my address is two seven one Addy Lane. I live in North Bridge Crossing. [2:56:22, 2:56:26]: Okay. So my qu I guess question is for the um [2:56:28, 2:56:37]: rezoning, I was under the impression that this meeting today was simply to get approval or denial to rezone from commercial to residential. [2:56:41, 2:56:54]: Um if that's the case, then I am in support of being residential. However, based on the plans that was presented tonight, I'm definitely concerned about how many homes will be placed in this neighborhood in the area. [2:56:57, 2:56:58]: We can tell you the total number. [2:56:58, 2:57:01]: I saw it was like three hundred and thirty two. [2:57:02, 2:57:02]: Thank you. [2:57:03, 2:57:05]: May I approach it. [2:57:12, 2:57:32]: It is three hundred and twelve total units um over seventy-nine acres. And if I think this is the only young lady here, there were two other people that came to our community meeting that were here earlier, but they had to leave because it got so late. Um so if the commissioners would like for me to go ahead and present the entire presentation, I would [2:57:32, 2:57:44]: would do that. I just didn't want to confuse the two applications. So if you would like additional information, since this young lady does have some questions that would be answered in that part, I could go ahead and do that. [2:57:45, 2:57:45]: Okay. [2:58:13, 2:58:16]: Okay, so picking up where we left off. [2:58:34, 2:58:54]: In addition to the comprehensive plan amendment, we are seeking a rezoning from C3 heavy commercial to a planned unit development. As you heard from staff, this property has a uh quite extensive history of rezonings. Most of those rezonings did uh get that rezoned to some sort of commercial. [2:58:54, 2:59:14]: Commercial use. And the last one that was successful with doing that was in the early 2000s, 2010, I believe it was. And there has been no interest since that time in actually developing the project as such. The last rezoning was a proposal to get it to an industrial use, which was [2:59:13, 2:59:25]: denied by this council. So oh uh nearly 15 years now since the last rezoning to a commercial use and there has been no interest in actually developing this project as such. [2:59:26, 2:59:46]: This is some site data information for you. Again, 79.02 acres. We've already covered that. We are leaving 42.6% open space or 33 acres. The requirement for your PUD zoning for open space is 20%. There are no requirements with a PUD for setbacks. [2:59:46, 3:00:06]: But we are offering setbacks of 20 feet, a side setback of five feet, and rear setback of 20 feet. Corner side setback would also be 50 feet. The townhome units that we are proposing for the development would be 24-foot wide townhomes. Those would be two car garage units. The homes [3:00:06, 3:00:26]: That are proposed for the development would be 50-foot lots, and the homes would be two-car garages as well with three to five bedrooms per home. It would also be a mixture of ranch product as well or single-story as well as two-story product within the development. There are an additional nine. [3:00:26, 3:00:46]: 91 guest parking spaces that would be dispersed throughout the community. And I will show you where those are in just one second. We have those dispersed throughout the townhome section as well as the single family detach section to give additional parking for each one of those areas so that no one has to walk too far. We are at [3:00:46, 3:01:06]: Exceeding the parking space requirements for the community. So again, you have an entrance here off of Walter Way, which is pretty much across from where their existing amenity area is. When you come into this entrance, it's a nicely landscaped boulevard entrance. There are a few homes on each side of that to continue the [3:01:05, 3:01:25]: Homes that were already put there in phase one. One of the young ladies that was here earlier actually lives in this home. She did come to our community meeting a couple of weeks ago and express um whether the homes would be too close to her home. So her house was built with a five-foot setback, and what we explained. [3:01:25, 3:01:30]: to her is that we are proposing a twenty foot setback and these homes would be the rear. [3:01:30, 3:01:50]: That's against her side. So approximately 25 foot setback, um, maintaining as much of the tree coverage as we could there. And we also offered to replant some evergreens if some of those trees do have to come out in the development phase, so that there is a evergreen buffer between her home and the next home. And she was [3:01:50, 3:02:10]: Happy with that. This property does have a creek that runs the entirety of the property. It actually runs off of it a bit. And we do suspect that that is one of the reasons that no commercial developer has actually been able to proceed with the project because of the issues with topography that are created as well as the buffers. [3:02:09, 3:02:29]: It just does not make a great commercial site for their development standards once they really get in there and dig into it. Once you come into the community, the main amenity area is located here: swimming pool, playground, pickleball, and tennis courts, as well as some other open area there. There will also be a covered mail kit. [3:02:29, 3:02:49]: kiosk in that section. There will be another male kiosk over here for the townhome units. And some of those guest parking spaces that I was talking about will be located here as well as some that are here. And then there is another set of guest parking spaces that are here as well. So again dispersed throughout the community. In addition to [3:02:49, 3:03:09]: The main amenity area. There's also open space area that will remain here. Again, we cannot touch those stream buffers by federal and state law. There's a nice 25-foot buffer around the entire property, and there are other open space pocket park areas, which is the green that you see, like between the stormwater. [3:03:09, 3:03:15]: water and the parking here, uh as well as some more park uh pocket park areas there as well. [3:03:17, 3:03:26]: North Bridge Crossing Phase Two would provide a mixture of new housing options that are consistent with the original plan for the site to be residential and North Bridge Crossing Phase One. [3:03:26, 3:03:46]: It will help to maintain a family-friendly environment in that area. We are proposing a connection between Reeves Creek mixed-use development that was approved and the community of potential users that would move into North Bridge Phase Two. That is still under some investigation because that topography that I mentioned, there is a [3:03:46, 3:04:03]: very steep drop-off over on the side where it connects to Reeves Creek. That's approximately 50 feet is what they have estimated without actually getting in there, which of course makes that difficult and require some type of bridge and stream crossing. So we're still continuing to investigate that. [3:04:03, 3:04:08]: Uh there has been no interest again in years for the existing site as a commercial development. [3:04:09, 3:04:28]: This development would not add any additional heavy truck traffic for the existing residents. One of the things that we heard at the community meeting was that they can hear those trucks coming through constantly for that drive time that's located in the front of their property, and they're not interested in any additional heavy truck traffic coming through there. [3:04:28, 3:04:44]: And again, the topographic concerns for the commercial development. This is a typical lot layout for the townhouse lots, just to give you an idea from the road with the setbacks, where the units would actually sit on the property and the separation between the units as well. [3:04:44, 3:05:04]: And then we have our typical lot layout here for the detached units. Again, same situation, showing you the road and the right-of-way, the setbacks, and where the units themselves would actually sit. There are five-foot sidewalks proposed for internal both sides of the street. We would also have sidewalks on the frontage of all of the property that we allow. [3:05:04, 3:05:06]: um own along the way. [3:05:06, 3:05:26]: This is the City of Stockbridge zoning map. The brown is the current residential use that is in the area. And again, pointing out that these houses were built in phase one. So they are there and pull over into the site that is currently zoned as a commercial site that we are seeking to rezone as residential to match with. [3:05:26, 3:05:27]: There already. [3:05:29, 3:05:49]: 312 new homes, 128 of those are 24-foot town homes, 184 single-family detached, all two car garages. There would be an option for the end unit of the townhome buildings for one of those to be a four-bedroom unit. All of the others have to be three bedroom units. There will be a mandatory homeowners association. [3:05:49, 3:05:57]: And then we would have the swimming pool, clubhouse, multiple open spaces, the multi use paths, and a playground. [3:05:58, 3:06:18]: This is just some information about some things that DR Horton does to ensure that our projects that are for sale that we're taking care of those folks that are our local hometown heroes. So we offer an incentive program for military, law enforcement, firefighters, healthcare professionals, educators. All they have to do is show their ID and there is an automatic incentive. [3:06:18, 3:06:38]: This is the current incentive is$1,000 towards their closing costs to help offset some of that. DR Horton also, in the current crisis that we are in, has a special program currently to buy down interest rates to 4.99% for our homeowners. So we do all of that stuff to remain dedicated to making homeownership a time. [3:06:38, 3:06:41]: for folks even in a tough market like this. [3:06:41, 3:06:59]: One thing that people also don't know is we actually have a home buyers club, which is basically a free credit improvement home buyer preparedness program. Even if you don't buy a DR Horton home, you can actually participate in this program and it's free of charge. We want to make sure that people are able to purchase homes and stay in those homes for a long time. [3:07:01, 3:07:08]: And with that, I will yield to any questions that anyone has for me. Thank you. [3:07:10, 3:07:10]: Yeah. [3:07:11, 3:07:11]: No more. [3:07:13, 3:07:33]: You have an HOA. Yes, sir. It's mandatory. Yeah. Uh what I've heard since I've been on on this on this board is that uh you end up having rental units in these places. And most homeowners do not want that because not only does it uh decrease [3:07:33, 3:07:46]: decrease the value of their property, but uh they suffer some social consequences of of rentals, you know. And uh what margin have you established for renting? [3:07:47, 3:07:59]: Uh staff did not propose a condition for a rental cap, but we are open to that. Uh typically what's suggested is a ten percent rental cap and we could definitely put that into the governing documents. [3:08:00, 3:08:01]: Okay. [3:08:06, 3:08:10]: All right, we're open for public comment. You wanna approach the podium again? [3:08:15, 3:08:18]: Pardon me? Do I say my name and address again? Yep. [3:08:19, 3:08:26]: Um Lashonda Green. Um address is two seven one at E Lane, Stockbridge, Georgia, three oh two eight one. And I am um [3:08:26, 3:08:28]: Homeowner in North Bridge Crossing. Um [3:08:29, 3:08:38]: So I guess I would say I'm for the rezoning from that commercial'cause I do live on Addy Lane literally across the street from drive drive time. [3:08:38, 3:08:48]: And just last week my son was skateboarding and was hit by a car that was owned by drive time as he was they're driving through there. They drive through there really fast. They're trying to get to work, go to lunch, whatever. [3:08:49, 3:09:09]: Um so that does impact us as homeowners in that neighborhood. Now, as to the proposal for the subdivision, I don't know if that's addressed here or not. I do have a couple of questions. Do I address her or you? To me. Okay. So one question would be: being that you're adding another 322 homes, there's currently already a mandatory HOS. [3:09:09, 3:09:21]: Is that HOA going to be separate and it's going to be now separate amenities or is it going to be conjoined amenities? The other question would be as far as the HOA again with the rental cap. [3:09:21, 3:09:23]: Is this h separate? [3:09:23, 3:09:25]: From the current North Bridge crossing. [3:09:26, 3:09:26]: And [3:09:27, 3:09:38]: Is there no possibilities that we eliminate having so many town homes? Although and let me say I'm a realtor, so I'm a big fan of development and um bringing in home and home ownership. [3:09:38, 3:09:51]: However, I found that a lot of town putting in too many homes in one specific area just creates an enormous amount of traffic. And where we are, there's even with you putting a new um entrance. [3:09:52, 3:09:57]: to come out it's such a short drive to get to that four way stop sign will cause a lot of congestion. [3:10:00, 3:10:02]: Do you address her concerns, please? Yes, sir. [3:10:07, 3:10:14]: So our internal HOA manager has researched and it's our understanding that because the property was rezoned so many times. [3:10:14, 3:10:34]: And at some point during the recession, it was separated from phase one. So the HOAs will be separate because your governing documents now only apply to phase one. So it would be a separate HOA for phase two. We do have a traffic impact study that is in progress. [3:10:34, 3:10:54]: And I'm sorry that it wasn't ready for tonight, but we have been told that we will have the report next week from the traffic engineers. Uh one thing that I did not point out that would help with the traffic is we do have D sell lanes at both of those entrances off of Walter Windows and Davidson Parkway. And of course, any of the other mitigation. [3:10:54, 3:11:11]: recommendations that are contained in that traffic impact study. We would provide a copy of the report to staff as well as to council for review. And we would take those mitigation recommendations into consideration and likely take care of all of them that are in there. [3:11:15, 3:11:16]: That answered? [3:11:16, 3:11:18]: I think so. Okay. Okay. [3:11:22, 3:11:27]: Well that closes the public comment portion of uh meeting and uh [3:11:29, 3:11:31]: Look to the commission for a vote. [3:11:32, 3:11:33]: Motion [3:11:34, 3:11:48]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchet and I'd like to make a motion we accept staff's recommendation and deny this change to the comprehensive land use plan. Mr. Chair, this is Jaden Williams. I second that motion. [3:11:49, 3:11:56]: It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed, ayes have it. The application is denied. [3:11:58, 3:12:03]: Okay, I think that kinda closes off uh this evening. [3:12:03, 3:12:06]: We have project updates. [3:12:06, 3:12:18]: Still have a rezoning. Pardon me? I think she did both of them together. No, we gotta vote separate. Oh, okay. All right. Let's have uh motion on the item fourteen. [3:12:20, 3:12:28]: Mr. Chair, I make a motion that we uh deny motion a number fourteen for the rezoning case uh RZ twenty twenty-three dash oh five. [3:12:29, 3:12:36]: Staying doom is I will second that motion. It's been moved and second. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? [3:12:37, 3:12:42]: I have it the rezoning application is denied. [3:12:44, 3:12:45]: Okay. [3:12:47, 3:12:48]: Good. [3:12:48, 3:12:49]: Please. [3:12:49, 3:12:50]: Pardon me? [3:12:52, 3:12:54]: You just voted on the rezoning? [3:12:55, 3:12:58]: We voted on the comprehensive amendment. Right. [3:12:58, 3:13:01]: And then we voted on the um rezoning. [3:13:02, 3:13:06]: Okay. Would you repeat um who made the motions? [3:13:07, 3:13:07]: On the rezoning? [3:13:08, 3:13:11]: Jalen made the motion and Dumas seconded correctly [3:13:16, 3:13:17]: Okay. [3:13:27, 3:13:28]: That moves us to item fifteen. [3:13:31, 3:13:33]: Community development. [3:13:36, 3:13:56]: Uh no, we don't have a report, but um we will be scheduling uh um a special call meeting in a couple of weeks uh to go over to go over some training. Okay with the uh planning commission and I think it will be mana it will be mandatory. Um so we'll be sending out some dates for you guys to decide. [3:13:56, 3:14:02]: decide which will be best for you. So um look for that email so [3:14:02, 3:14:07]: All right. That moves us to sixteen. Staff comments. [3:14:09, 3:14:10]: No comments. [3:14:12, 3:14:14]: Seventeen board comments. [3:14:17, 3:14:18]: No come. [3:14:20, 3:14:21]: Motion to adjourn. [3:14:22, 3:14:26]: Mr. Chairman, this is Stan Dumas. I move that this meeting be adjoined. [3:14:28, 3:14:30]: I second it, Harold. [3:14:31, 3:14:39]: Been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed, ayes have it. The meeting is adjourned. [3:14:40, 3:14:42]: Oh sick. [3:14:46, 3:14:47]: Pardon me? [3:14:53, 3:14:57]: Well a couple of reasons. It may not meet the comprehensive plan. [3:14:57, 3:15:07]: Okay, and we're not the final arbiters of this. City Council will make the final determination. This is just our recommendation to the city council. Okay? [3:15:17, 3:15:18]: Yeah. [3:15:19, 3:15:25]: You got the game on your phone, we'll need to blow that score. Shit. I see you got the game on.

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2023-09-26 source: 2023-09-26_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:01:20, 0:01:22]: All right, ladies and gentlemen. I have uh [0:01:23, 0:01:33]: Six oh two, it is Tuesday, September twenty-sixth for a council work session. I'd like to call it to order. And on that note, um Councilman Blount, could you please give him the invocation? [0:01:35, 0:01:35]: I'm sorry. [0:01:36, 0:01:38]: Call the I call the order. Invocation. [0:01:39, 0:01:43]: Ro roll call comes after invocate. Roll call comes after play, sir. Okay, invocate. Please stand if you can. [0:01:49, 0:01:50]: Well no. [0:01:51, 0:01:55]: Dear Heavenly Gracious Father, we come to you first, thank you for your grace and we thank you for your mercy. [0:01:56, 0:02:08]: We ask now that you would come upon our midst, Heavenly Father, and that you would guide us and lead our hearts and our minds. Give us the wisdom that you would give to the disciples, Heavenly Father, and that you've given to the prophets to move in your will and that your will be done. [0:02:08, 0:02:23]: We thank you, God, for all that you're doing in this season, in this section, Heavenly Father, and in our lives. We as you continue to cover this great city that we call Stockbridge, Georgia. That you would cover the leaders, that you would cover those that are on staff in Heavenly Father, those that would come and volunteer and work. [0:02:23, 0:02:33]: Continue to protect us right now, Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus, from those things that will come against us, Heavenly Father, those sicknesses that are trying to rise up and those illnesses that will come against us. [0:02:33, 0:02:35]: We thank you for all that you do. [0:02:35, 0:02:38]: We just trust you in all things, heaven, father. It's in Jesus' name we pray. [0:02:39, 0:02:52]: Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:02:53, 0:02:55]: Madam Clerk Rocal, please. [0:02:57, 0:02:59]: Mayor Ford. Present. [0:02:59, 0:03:14]: Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. Present. Councilman Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:03:17, 0:03:24]: Mayor. Yes ma'am. I move that we amend the agenda to include um uh [0:03:24, 0:03:31]: a portion uh uh uh to include clarification on a motion for reconsideration. [0:03:31, 0:03:45]: Is there a second to that and that motion to be amended to the agenda? Second. Mr. Alexander, second that. All flavor, please indicate. Okay, all posed. Abstain? [0:03:46, 0:03:51]: Okay, so I have three four abstention. Miss Barber, you w what we should vote? [0:03:54, 0:03:56]: I approve the amendment. I'm sorry? [0:03:57, 0:04:13]: I approve that. Okay, so it's full so it's four four zero one. Four zero one. And to do that, we'll put that at uh item number eight. We'll have that at item number eight, which will come after the presentation by Mr. K Kimmelant. [0:04:17, 0:04:23]: Okay. On that note, uh now I need a motion to adopt the entire agenda, please. [0:04:24, 0:04:25]: Uh Mr Blount, is there a second? [0:04:26, 0:04:28]: My second. Okay, Miss Scandi. All favor please indicate. [0:04:29, 0:04:49]: All right, fantastic. It's a unanimous decision. On that note, Council, please review the draft minutes from the retreat. The minutes of August 10th of 23, August 11th to 23. Um, also the draft minutes from August 14th to 23, and then August 29th. There's draft minutes over council work session on August [0:04:49, 0:04:50]: was twenty ninth as well. [0:04:51, 0:04:58]: Uh Madam Clerk, uh any uh public comments at all? There are no public comments, Mayor. Okay, thank you. [0:04:58, 0:05:01]: And for new business. [0:05:02, 0:05:20]: Council consideration to approve task order number forty-four with Carter and Sloop. Watershed monitoring and reporting twenty twenty-four to twenty twenty-six monitoring monitoring years in the amount of seven uh seven thousand four hundred dollars, seventy thousand four hundred dollars, funding source, sewer budget. [0:05:21, 0:05:24]: Okay, and it's Mr. Aaron and Mr. Brad Holzinger. [0:05:25, 0:05:25]: Thank you. [0:05:26, 0:05:46]: Uh yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. The city's MPDS permit requires us to do perform watershed monitoring of the stream that we're discharging into. And so this is a task order to complete that as that assessment and monitoring is paid out of the uh sewer department budget. Each year we budget for the [0:05:46, 0:05:47]: Watersea monitoring. [0:05:48, 0:05:56]: And so we're asking council to approve this but these budgeted funds for the watershed monitoring. Okay, council, any question for Mr. Aaron? [0:05:58, 0:06:18]: And if not any motion to accept this uh proposal. Mr. Blount. I second. From Mr. Blount and Ms. Gantt on favor, please indicate this unanimous decision. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, if you permit me, can I make a request that if there's time after this meeting, we can look at what trees count [0:06:18, 0:06:28]: Council wants removed from City Hall that was discussed at the retreat so that we're on the on the correct path and everybody has the same idea as to what trees will be removed from City Hall. [0:06:29, 0:06:31]: You gotta look right out the window now. [0:06:31, 0:06:38]: Well, I mean, I wish you had did that earlier. So you're asking for us to to amend the gender to talk about this. I w No? [0:06:38, 0:06:50]: I just want clarification and clarity on what trees council wants removed. Y it was mentioned at the budget retreat that we were going to remove. Right, it's it right. I got ya. What's your point of order? [0:06:51, 0:06:52]: What's bonur? [0:06:53, 0:07:04]: I believe what Mr. Aaron is speaking of is not on our agenda. If you want that to add that discussion, then we need to amend the agenda to add that discussion. [0:07:04, 0:07:22]: Right. So so w and I w that's why I was wondering initially, but um it's probably need to have something maybe I don't know if we need to talk about it right now or whether or not uh you need to have some discussion with folks uh offline and through email in reference to getting a guest. I thought I saw email about that originally. Okay? Yes, yes, sir. [0:07:25, 0:07:30]: This isn't on the agenda but we got an email from Mr Aaron. Right. Asking [0:07:30, 0:07:32]: Mayor Ford, point of order. [0:07:32, 0:07:34]: Yes, your porter owner. What's your porter owner? [0:07:35, 0:07:36]: This item [0:07:37, 0:07:42]: That mister Aaron and Councilman Blount wants to discuss is not on the agenda. [0:07:42, 0:07:50]: Can we vote to amend the agenda to add a discussion of what Mr. Aaron wants to present to us? Mayor, I'd like to amend the agenda. Okay. [0:07:50, 0:07:55]: to continue this discussion about clarity. Clarity. [0:07:57, 0:07:58]: Is there a second motion? [0:08:00, 0:08:02]: Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [0:08:03, 0:08:06]: All right, fantastic. Now it's just now while what [0:08:06, 0:08:20]: What what one second, sir. So now that we've done that, since you're already here, all right, so we'll put that right now. This and so this goes actually before the next item, which was going to be by Mr. Wiggins. Uh so we'll we'll talk about it now since you're here, Mr. Aaron. All right. So [0:08:21, 0:08:32]: Go right ahead with your your comments and then we'll have discussion. I just no need to know which trees that council wants removed because once they're removed we can't plant them back. These are mature trees, so [0:08:33, 0:08:41]: I just wanna be clear on that. So if you don't come in here one day and all of that looks different around City Hall, somebody's saying, Well, what happened? So [0:08:42, 0:09:02]: All right, Mr Mr. Blount, I guess you wanted to speak on this. Mr. You sent us something um at one time showing almost an aerial view of of the areas of trees. I I would like to see that I'm I'm fine with whatever this council decides to do, but I would like to see what we're removing. [0:09:02, 0:09:04]: And and reason and why. [0:09:04, 0:09:24]: So Mr. Blount. Okay. All right. Go ahead. Blount me sounds. Yeah, I actually sent you that picture and that picture was actually from uh twenty eighteen. It was an aerial shot. It just looked like there's just a b uh a forest over there. And um I sent you an additional picture of [0:09:24, 0:09:44]: When City Hall closer to uh maybe 20 uh 12, 2013, where that area was where there was very few trees in the area. And the discussion was those trees were planted there at a time when there was term political turmoil to [0:09:44, 0:10:04]: Hide the flower shop. That was their only purpose. And that's why it looks like it looks with all of those trees over there. It wouldn't and just think about it. How many times have you seen a flag area with trees? You don't put trees in the flag area. The flag area is the show place where the flag or the tall. [0:10:04, 0:10:16]: [616.9, 636.9]: So the uh the the my uh my thought was we would go back to the original plan where there wasn't any political influence where those w all of those wintergreen trees were planted to hide the flower shop and then to hide a political sign. That was the reason that they were planted from from what I understand. Yes, sir. [0:10:36, 0:10:56]: you know well then just to keep it clean is this council okay with mr uh since the director been given and we know that trees in certain areas in a certain area that something can be sent to us similar to what mr alexander sent to a showing area and then the senses director we get a consensus yeah yeah that's what we're talking [0:10:56, 0:11:16]: Yeah, we're okay with it because I just need something in writing staff before you all move to have a full understanding from all of us to you on when you move remove the trees, they're gone. So if the council, my colleagues, the members to that, if you send us the air review, circle where you're gonna remove it. [0:11:16, 0:11:26]: the tree and we say and we can just home in on the email because it doesn't need to be voted on. It's already been a directive that's already been been been uh sustained to I'll send that tomorrow. [0:11:27, 0:11:29]: Is that that that's fine with the counts? [0:11:29, 0:11:31]: Mayor. Yes, ma'am, go ahead please. [0:11:31, 0:11:40]: I I was gonna ask counsel, let's take field trip outside and go walk around and check out these trees and figure out which ones. Not not necessarily right now today. [0:11:41, 0:12:01]: Um, maybe tomorrow, whenever, but we get together and we literally start from the front and work our way around this area in general, all you know, to figure out what trees we're talking about. I know I was concerned more so for visibility, um, to kind of open up visibility for the impact. [0:12:01, 0:12:19]: And I believe that was maybe in the back on that side I saw a bunch of rows and I figure if we open that up, because right now it's kind of hidden. Like some people still don't know it's still here, right? And and that's got a lot to do with our wayfinding stones and things that we're gonna work we were working towards. [0:12:19, 0:12:20]: But [0:12:20, 0:12:21]: I don't [0:12:21, 0:12:34]: I'm a visible person. So me getting a aerial shot and then we take down a a mature tree and can't regrow it, I don't want I don't want to run that risk. I would like to like literally see it. See what we're talking about. [0:12:36, 0:12:56]: Okay, I'm sorry. You sent us something, right? Because it was the day at 5 30, right? No, but I I just think it's probably best if everybody look at it and so we know that we're on the on the same page. So Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. Uh I I'm okay with the field trip, what have you, but let me [0:12:56, 0:12:56]: I mean [0:12:57, 0:13:00]: correct the record uh [0:13:00, 0:13:03]: Councilman Alexander,'cause I hate for [0:13:03, 0:13:04]: Misinformation. [0:13:05, 0:13:07]: uh to go out about [0:13:08, 0:13:12]: that particular time in the city of Stockbridge, um [0:13:14, 0:13:26]: Those trees were not planted because of that. Um there some things did happen in that vein, but it was not the planting of those trees. But I do agree that [0:13:26, 0:13:29]: Uh where the flag poles are [0:13:29, 0:13:32]: We may need to to cut that, but [0:13:32, 0:13:34]: I want to caution us though on the [0:13:35, 0:13:36]: Cypress trees. [0:13:37, 0:13:49]: Uh when we built the amphitheater, you know, we had a number of those, um, beautiful, very expensive, and we we took those down, we don't really know what happened. But in the [0:13:51, 0:13:52]: Get my baron, but in [0:13:53, 0:13:55]: In that area, um [0:13:56, 0:13:59]: А тин до сапотреї ісвос блокин. [0:13:59, 0:14:09]: the amphitheater and I think we m definitely need to go and look at that before we actually cut those down. Those are very beautiful trees. They're very expensive trees. [0:14:09, 0:14:11]: And I think we just need to make sure. [0:14:12, 0:14:15]: That this is what we really want to do, but I will say [0:14:15, 0:14:17]: Well the flag poles are [0:14:17, 0:14:19]: I think we may need to cut. [0:14:20, 0:14:21]: Also [0:14:22, 0:14:24]: On the other side in the [0:14:24, 0:14:25]: Grassy area. [0:14:26, 0:14:30]: Those trees just need to be pruned. They'll sort of hanging way too low. [0:14:31, 0:14:39]: And that was more of my concern on East Atlanta Road. Those trees need to be pruned. Right, right. So again, I do think we need to [0:14:39, 0:14:45]: go out and look and just be one hundred percent sure and identify what we really want to do. Yes. [0:14:46, 0:15:05]: Alright, so otherwise if you're gonna do that in reference to looking uh questions made about tomorrow, not sure if everybody can make it tomorrow, I would think that probably need to send some type of message or at least we come to agreement what if it's tomorrow, Wednesday. I mean what tomorrow is Wednesday, right? Thursday or Friday, whatever it would be, wouldn't make a qu to do a little field trip in this aspect. [0:15:06, 0:15:14]: It's only gonna take five minutes to look out the window or to go out there. We're talking about anything difficult. Okay, fine. So be it. We got a time for tomorrow. [0:15:14, 0:15:18]: Yes. What time? Ten o'clock tomorrow morning. Ten o'clock tomorrow morning. [0:15:18, 0:15:34]: You got you good? Ten o'clock tomorrow morning? I've already given my input. I I don't need to see it. I have core. So are we just talking about the ones by the side school? Is that the only ones with the Uh uh uh that wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about that and then the crepe myrtle trees that are all overgrown. [0:15:35, 0:15:41]: Yeah, yeah, but but we've but then uh we're saying we're talking two different things because I cutting back trees and cutting down trees. [0:15:41, 0:16:01]: Right. But the o only trees were to be cut down is over there by the flagpole Erie. The other trees were to be cut back on along East Atlanta. Well I'm o I mean if we want to if we all can agree with the flag I'm I'm okay with the flagpole. Okay. I'm okay with the flagpole and cut down and I'm okay with and I definitely want the East Atlanta crepe myrtles. I want that. [0:16:01, 0:16:16]: Mayor Ford. Yes, yes, ma'am Okay, I believe this area is in my district, so I need to speak and say something in reference to it. Um I do agree. Um those cypress trees that are covering up the flag hole. [0:16:16, 0:16:25]: We do we do need to remove those. And those trees along East Atlanta Road that are hanging over the power lines and the lights. [0:16:25, 0:16:28]: Those need to be trimmed back. I do agree with those. [0:16:28, 0:16:35]: But the cypress trees or crepe myrtle trees, I mean, that you mentioned, Councilman, I don't know where those are. [0:16:35, 0:16:45]: Those are the trees. Along the sidewalk. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The ones that you're talking about. The ones that ha okay. That's what we're talking about. Those just need to be [0:16:45, 0:16:54]: I agree and support that those do need to be cut back. Those are the ones that is hanging over the sidewalks and the power lines and lights. Correct. [0:16:54, 0:16:55]: Right. [0:16:55, 0:16:59]: No uh what not merely you might buy it. No, go right, sir. [0:16:59, 0:17:19]: Do we cut the caps off those crate margins in the wintertime? Because everybody does. I got no we don't. Like the ones on Jim Clark. They Yes. Oh man, come on. Because I have to cut for my crate murder and I got ten across my backyard. We have to cut all of those caps off. And what it is, it keeps'em it keeps [0:17:19, 0:17:37]: them from growing higher the next year when you cut the caps off. Yes. But if you don't then they grow higher and higher. The next thing you know you you have that situation. So I don't know if we cut the caps off or not. Uh because that makes them kind of get too elongated up in the uh [0:17:38, 0:17:58]: Yes. Alright, so what we agreed to we're gonna I've got some people have already agreed facted what what what needs to be done, but uh but still what some folks still need to see a walkthrough and whatnot. Mayor. Yes ma'am. I would like to make a motion that we cut down the trees near the uh around the uh flagpole and trim, prune the trees. [0:17:58, 0:18:10]: He's uh gone down East Atlanta, the crate myrtles. Second. Okay. We had plenty of discussion. All in favor, please indicate. See, NAMC. Okay, fantastic. Now you got your marching order, sir. Okay. Now we'll continue on. [0:18:11, 0:18:19]: Uh council consideration to renew the contract with Amazon, which is a piggyback uh contract with OMNIA partners public sector. [0:18:20, 0:18:40]: Through Prince William County Public Schools contracts and an annual amount of seventy-five thousand dollars under R twenty one thirteen eighty six. That's what it says here. Okay, John Wiggins. Mr. Wiggins, please. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Evening. This is a renewal on a contract that that's been [0:18:40, 0:18:47]: In the works since uh 2021. It's um piggyback on the uh Amazon contract. [0:18:48, 0:18:49]: This contract [0:18:50, 0:18:52]: Which uh helps us kind of [0:18:53, 0:18:55]: Keep everything in in um [0:18:55, 0:19:15]: It helps us keep keep us in line with capping how much we spend at Amazon. Uh since Amazon has has come on the scene, everybody's been using Amazon and collectively we have we have we have grossed over about 50, 50 something thousand. So um [0:19:15, 0:19:17]: It's kinda [0:19:17, 0:19:28]: outshine Walmart and everything else. So what we have to do collectively, this is why it was put in place in in 2021, was to help cap us, give us a cap on how much we can spend. [0:19:28, 0:19:30]: And the limit that [0:19:31, 0:19:32]: I'm um [0:19:33, 0:19:36]: Asking you to approve seventy five thousand. [0:19:36, 0:19:56]: Last year was a hundred thousand, but we haven't reached that that that much anyway. This just to cap it off. This also helps us when uh we have to get a purchase order for Amazon. Most of our uh purchases to Amazon is through the uh our requisition uh PO system. I know we have a few that go [0:19:56, 0:20:08]: we have to do credit card, but that's that's fine. Uh but this right here keeps a track of it helps us keep a uh second track on how much we're spending and then it kind of caps us at 75,000. So I asked council [0:20:09, 0:20:10]: to approve this uh renewal. [0:20:11, 0:20:31]: All right, council questions for Mr. Wiggins. I have no questions. I just need to motion. Go ahead you got a question? Go ahead, please. Uh when we do the um when we do the requisitions that we get POs for for those purchases with Amazon, those that are done by credit card, how do we track those those purchases if they're not if they're [0:20:31, 0:20:51]: Down about a PO uh how do we track these prerequisitions that are then put in place prior to purchase or how that's no that uh it it how we how we do that is we put descriptions on the the the credit card uh charges and when we do a search. [0:20:51, 0:21:11]: through the vendor for uh the vendor Amazon, everything will come up. It'll have all the POs which is attached to Amazon and then anything that's that's uh that we put in the description as far as the vendor being Amazon it comes up also. So what I'm just saying what systems in place to since there's a [0:21:11, 0:21:21]: How do you manage it now when everybody has credit cards that are now put in the system at purchase time that doesn't have a PO4? [0:21:21, 0:21:25]: had been totally planning for recognition of what put in the system. [0:21:30, 0:21:35]: over seventy five thousand when everybody can use their credit card to do it. That's what I'm trying to figure out. What's the system in place for that? [0:21:35, 0:21:55]: When we run when we run um the uh the monthly reports, I I can see where we're we're where we're making a lot of our purchases. And um Amazon has not reached over like for the past two years it's been like close to 55,000 once I tally up everything. So [0:21:55, 0:22:15]: So I usually go through and see how much that's gonna be to kinda keep a cap. No, no. Last year we did a contract we did the contract amount to cap it off for a hundred thousand. This year I'm lowering it to seventy five thousand because we haven't even reached reached that far and it makes no sense to um encumber that much. [0:22:15, 0:22:18]: Okay. [0:22:20, 0:22:25]: So any other questions from Mr. Wiggins? And once again, if not, need a motion to accept this proposal. [0:22:26, 0:22:28]: Mr Blount so moved. A second. [0:22:28, 0:22:31]: My second. Ms. Gantt second, all in favor, please indicate. [0:22:32, 0:22:35]: All right, unanimous decision. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mr. Aaron. Uh Mr. Wiggins, I'm sorry. [0:22:37, 0:22:43]: All right, council consideration to amend a downtown special events program to increase a maximum [0:22:43, 0:22:59]: Funding amount uh from two thousand five hundred to five thousand and allowing for up to fifteen hundred to be used toward city stoppage fees related to special events such as staffing needs, street closures, security detail, cleaning and city equipment. Mr. Lance, please. [0:22:59, 0:23:19]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Kimalon's Economic Development Director. Uh after implementing any new program, it is always a good idea to go back and assess what's working, what's not working, whether or not the program is meeting its intended goals. In that case, we had several conversations with folks who are even organizers and promoters. We asked them about this particular [0:23:19, 0:23:39]: Program and what we've heard so far is that the funding amount that we have currently is not enough to help move the needle. And one of the reasons why is because it is quite expensive to host an event here in the downtown area. Just to give you an example, if somebody were to say, hey, I want to host a 1,000-person family-friendly event. [0:23:39, 0:23:59]: or festival in the downtown area and I want to close the street. The estimated cost for that just for city fees is about$4,100. So we offer$2,500. So that is definitely not enough. So we know that increasing the amount is just one ways that we can help, one way that we can help, but [0:23:59, 0:24:15]: We definitely need to take a look at ways that we can remove some of these barriers to actually encouraging people to come to the downtown area and have events. With that being said, I'll take any questions. Yes, sir. Go ahead, Mr. Thomas. Mr. Lawrence, thank you, sir. [0:24:15, 0:24:21]: Um I I I I think this is a very good um [0:24:21, 0:24:33]: opportunity for organizations, but I'm trying to get a better understanding on the history and what separates this from [0:24:34, 0:24:38]: uh the event staff and what they do [0:24:39, 0:24:41]: Main Street. [0:24:41, 0:24:43]: And what they do [0:24:44, 0:24:50]: So i i is there a difference in this and I was trying to recollect in the budget [0:24:51, 0:24:53]: Uh this line item. [0:24:53, 0:24:54]: Um [0:24:56, 0:24:59]: And I guess my memory, but I I just don't recall. [0:25:00, 0:25:02]: uh this line item in [0:25:02, 0:25:04]: Twenty twenty three. [0:25:05, 0:25:07]: So can you give me a little history? [0:25:07, 0:25:11]: Um and and the difference between [0:25:11, 0:25:13]: What the event staff may do [0:25:14, 0:25:16]: Um and what Main Street may do. [0:25:17, 0:25:23]: I'm just trying I I I just don't want us to duplicate or is this a collaboration? [0:25:25, 0:25:27]: Sure, I'll be more than happy to. Um [0:25:28, 0:25:48]: One of the ways that you activate your downtown is by you know having multiple events. And because we not only have budget constraints, but we also have uh staff constraints. So we cannot be as a municipality, we cannot do every single event that we would want to see in the downtown area. So we created this program. [0:25:48, 0:26:08]: program to encourage other people to come and do events that will activate the street. So what we say we would do is providing some financial incentive for them to come and host the event. So in that case, city staff wouldn't be involved. They put the event on, they have to follow the procedure, apply for the special event permit fee, do everything that they need to do. They put on the [0:26:07, 0:26:27]: the event and after the event they send us a report and then we um you know issue the grant to them. Now as it relates to the budget um this particular program is part of our BRICS initiatives that council approved about two or three months ago and it is the line item for the this particular [0:26:27, 0:26:30]: program is for [0:26:32, 0:26:39]: Let's see, events we have fifteen thousand in that um line item for for this particular program. [0:26:39, 0:26:43]: Okay. Um is the [0:26:45, 0:26:47]: Vinus Association [0:26:49, 0:27:00]: I'm not sure which which name we're gonna use this time'cause we keep flip flapping on the name. But the uh business association, would they be involved in um [0:27:00, 0:27:15]: engaging or coordinating with uh some of these organizations that may want to come into downtown. I'm j I'm trying to I'm trying to see the the um the collaboration and the coordination to make sure that [0:27:15, 0:27:22]: i you know, we're all sort of moving in the same direction. But I think it's a great idea and I and we do want to promote [0:27:22, 0:27:38]: uh activities in our downtown. So I want to make sure that is clear, but I just want to get a better understanding on the uh collaboration and the and the various um connection with other entities. Sure. Such as the the event staff. [0:27:38, 0:27:58]: Sure. So the business partnership when it is fully functional with the board, um, we have a meet and greet uh on Thursday at Frozen Smoke and that is at six PM where we're inviting all businesses to come and learn more about the business partnership. As you all know, uh we need to put the board, they need to apply and then you all [0:27:58, 0:28:18]: Need to approve the board. Now, once that is established, if they want to go ahead as a board, you know, um, or put on an event in the downtown area, that would fall under, you know, a city initiative. Because when we as a city put on an event, let's say it's event staff or main street staff. [0:28:18, 0:28:38]: Staff, there are certain fees that are not associated with that particular event. Now, this particular program is for outside groups. Let's say, for example, we want to host a silent night block party disco in the downtown area, but we want another group to come and do it. The amount of money that we would spend. [0:28:38, 0:28:53]: spend to do that event is gonna be less than what, you know, we're gonna spend it's gonna be more, excuse me, more than what we would spend on the grant, for example, which is twenty five hundred now, if you approve it, it will be five thousand. [0:28:54, 0:29:14]: So the goal is to get more people to come and do events that we necessarily as staff do not have to put energy and you know staff time towards. Last question, ma'am. The muscles show that uh that's a part of Bridge Fest. Do we see this? [0:29:13, 0:29:27]: event which is a great event. Do we sort of see this event sort of moving from under the city auspices to um an organization sponsoring [0:29:27, 0:29:33]: uh that that car competition and and then they applying for the grant to do that. [0:29:34, 0:29:51]: So this particular event, I know it's something that um that has been very successful from what I've heard and something that our department, our main street staff take really a great pride um in you know putting it together. So I think the opportunity and what we're trying to get at is really [0:29:52, 0:30:12]: to get people to do things that we've not done before. So you know I talked about your disco silent party. Uh we actually have a potential event that we're considering at the moment, which would be a day of the dead kind of festival where it's gonna be family friendly with people in the downtown area. As a matter of fact, the DDA has agreed to uh help us. [0:30:12, 0:30:22]: with that event. They have allocated some money towards it at their last meeting. So um we're hoping with this we can provide more help so we can bring that event to downtown in October. [0:30:23, 0:30:43]: Thank you, Mayor. I yield. No problem. Thank you. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. Yeah, Mr. Blount, thanks for your presentation. When this is set up, I think it's a a great idea because it does cut down some cost to promote uh activities downtown through the business and uh other uh connections like that. Now who would hope with with the event? [0:30:43, 0:30:48]: Bench Park Department oversee the process? Who oversees the process? [0:30:48, 0:30:53]: If someone wants to come and do an event downtown, what is the connective process that they will go through? [0:30:53, 0:30:55]: Sure. [0:30:57, 0:31:01]: what the city has, you know, the rules that that we've already had. [0:31:01, 0:31:21]: Sure. So right now any any any any person who wants to do a special event in the downtown area or anywhere in the city, they have to go through a special event permit process. And that process is handled through community development, the public works is involved, the police department is involved. So they handle that after assessing [0:31:21, 0:31:41]: All the after the organizer applies and submit all the required documents and pay uh all the required fees, the special event permit is issued to them. So um that pro this program that we have will work the same way. The only thing that we're adding is saying when you do um put the event together after [0:31:41, 0:31:45]: the event is done, you know, we you have to [0:31:45, 0:31:55]: get a report and then we say, you know, yes, it was what we approved, then you get the grant from us. Right now it's twenty five hundred and what we're asking is that we increase it to five thousand. [0:31:56, 0:32:16]: Yeah, but what and you asked the part of it, but the other part is when I said going with it through the process, because obviously with what we have going on with downtown, which is connected down to theater and other events. There obviously gonna be blackout days that we don't wanna have two events going on at the same time. So that's gonna happen. [0:32:16, 0:32:20]: from staff wise to say hey now those dates aren't open. [0:32:20, 0:32:26]: So who is the connecting person when I'm trying to try to figure out who carries that through? [0:32:27, 0:32:33]: Because that's gonna be a lot. Once this once this goes out that that that this is amenable to happen. [0:32:33, 0:32:45]: is going to open up a door for people to say, hey, we can go down and see the shop, we can do this this. So who carries that through? Because that's going to be a lot just putting on one department, even the economic development department. Who carries this? What department [0:32:46, 0:33:00]: Sure. So as far as this program, uh our economic development department manages this program. Now just to give you a scenario, let's say someone wants to um put on an event and they come to us and say, hey, I'm thinking about doing this. Um [0:33:01, 0:33:21]: Would you consider sponsoring it through this grant? We say, well, it looks good what day that you're thinking about, that it would be, you know, I'm thinking September 30th, which is Bridge Fest. We'll say, no, that can't work. I'm thinking about October 21st, which is, you know, ludicrous coming here. We're looking at whether or not, you know, we have the [0:33:21, 0:33:24]: [2005.0, 2024.0]: The police department has to get involved with security detail depending on how many people we're gonna have, you know, required number of police officers, which is what they they do through that process. So they handle that. Now, once the event permit is issued, we tell them, okay, great, you have the event permit, now we can move forward, we're gonna sponsor this. [0:33:44, 0:34:04]: Uh you have to make sure that you know the event is successful. You have to give us a report to let us know, hey, you know, we said we were gonna have 500 people, we had 500 people, or we didn't have 500 people, here's why. And then we say, okay, you are able to get the grant. And the grant because it's 5,000, as we're recommending here. [0:34:04, 0:34:06]: the city manager would have to approve it. [0:34:07, 0:34:07]: Yeah, of course. [0:34:08, 0:34:15]: What's the time frame? If I if I say I want to have an event on business or somebody wants to have an event downtime. [0:34:15, 0:34:22]: How far out of a of a notice I have to give?'Cause if I give one, say, from now nine months out. [0:34:23, 0:34:26]: It may fall on the weekend, but now [0:34:27, 0:34:45]: The empathy to say, hey, we can't have this show because they're having this. So how do we not shoot ourselves in the foot? What is the time frame to be able to book events downtown versus when we're when we can actually have those events? How do you calor how do you calend that event? [0:34:45, 0:34:48]: from from the perception that they even happen. [0:34:48, 0:35:08]: Yeah. So two things. I think first the community development through business services, they typically ask that, you know, the permit, the special event permit is the application is submitted rather about, you know, ninety days to thirty days in advance. So that way we have time to plan for it. Uh so we know [0:35:08, 0:35:28]: Now, in that instance, I think it it's hard to, you know, uh think about that particular situation because if it's something that we we get and it's nine months out, and you know, it's gonna be hard for us to to know if it's concert season, then we know we may say, hey, um, you know, that date may not become available because it's concert season. [0:35:28, 0:35:32]: So I think it's something that we would have to look at. [0:35:32, 0:35:36]: So in in in in tragedy we have to say dates are subject to change. [0:35:37, 0:35:52]: Yes. I mean things are always because I just don't want us that's why I'm asking who cares this and who all who's the what's the collaboration'cause I just don't want us opening this up, which is a great idea, but I don't want to end up being something that ships us in the foot. You see what I'm saying? Understood. [0:35:53, 0:35:59]: Okay, any other questions? Uh Miss Barber Glay, please. Yeah. And thank you, Mr. Alant. Um [0:36:00, 0:36:00]: I [0:36:01, 0:36:05]: I understand the purpose of it. I'm just concerned about [0:36:05, 0:36:08]: Um the line item in the budget. [0:36:08, 0:36:08]: And [0:36:09, 0:36:12]: We don't have the financial information. We haven't even approved. [0:36:12, 0:36:14]: The twenty twenty four budget just yet. [0:36:15, 0:36:16]: Um [0:36:17, 0:36:24]: And again, I have the same question or concern that with this particular line item in the budget. [0:36:24, 0:36:26]: Which department does it fall under? [0:36:27, 0:36:32]: Does it fall under events department? Does it fall under economic development? [0:36:34, 0:36:54]: Sure, I'll be more than happy to answer. Um as you may recall, um City Council, I think maybe uh three months ago approved uh ALPA funding to go towards economic development. Yes. And uh in total, uh the council approved 300,000. [0:36:54, 0:37:14]: And we had a number of initiatives that were part of that uh three hundred thousand. And um just to give you a breakdown, we have you know citywide marketing, we have entrepreneurship program, we have events and meetings, we have workforce development, we have public arts, we have um downtown business assistance program, we have [0:37:14, 0:37:32]: Cape Stockbridge Beautiful, we have uh Stockbridge Wayfinding, well that's not part of it, but we have um Stockbridge Business Partnership, we have the citywide facade program that we created, all of these initiatives and programs are being uh funded through ARPA that was allocated um for the economic development department to use. [0:37:33, 0:37:38]: So this program, however, is not being is it being funded under ARPA? [0:37:38, 0:37:39]: Yes, it is. [0:37:40, 0:37:42]: Okay. Is that [0:37:43, 0:37:46]: Is it eligible to be used under ARPA? [0:37:47, 0:37:57]: So um yes, and I think you know the finance director can provide more more guidance on That is a legal question I'd like to ask Mr Washington. [0:38:03, 0:38:08]: Yeah, and I think it was used as a [0:38:10, 0:38:11]: Uh-huh. [0:38:16, 0:38:17]: Two. [0:38:18, 0:38:20]: I'm a little bit more. [0:38:31, 0:38:46]: You know, I need to check on that to see. Because the thing is that we could use ARPA funds. We could use ARPA funds to supplement something else in the general fund and take it out of the general fund to do it because of the ARPA funds that we have. So I just [0:38:47, 0:39:07]: I think this should be fine. I just wanted to check on the data. It falls upon the ten million that's allotted for us to be able to use opera funds for any kind of category that we need. Anything beyond the ten million, we can't do, which we already have. So it's like one point one six eight [0:39:07, 0:39:23]: that we can we that is that is restricted but this is this is unrestricted we can use that I can't hear that's that came from the the the United States Treasury can you step to the microphone Mr. Wiggins I can't hear let him let him let him go ahead and explain it again please go ahead and make [0:39:24, 0:39:44]: Queen States Treasurers had deemed early on that we can use 10 million of opera funds for uh these particular type of categories. Um we've already you've already uh gave him um uh permission to use 300 some thousands along with five hundred five hundred [0:39:44, 0:39:53]: seventy three thousand for Wayfi Wayf Wayf uh the Wayfire signs yeah the way finding uh signs. But United States Church should already give us uh [0:39:53, 0:39:57]: A lot of ten million for us to use. So yeah, these are these are okay. [0:39:57, 0:39:58]: So what [0:39:59, 0:40:00]: Whatever you all are reading. [0:40:01, 0:40:01]: Can I see that? [0:40:02, 0:40:05]: Yeah. It's just a budget report. [0:40:07, 0:40:07]: Yeah, cheaper. [0:40:14, 0:40:25]: Mr. Blount, you still had a question? Yeah, uh while she agrees, what's the cap amount on this?'Cause uh it doesn't have a cap amount. [0:40:26, 0:40:34]: On on the uh program itself? Yeah. If if you go through the cycle for the whole year, what's what's the cap amount? [0:40:34, 0:40:36]: Oh, it's fifteen thousand. [0:40:36, 0:40:40]: Fifteen programs. That's five programs. That's three three [0:40:40, 0:40:53]: Yeah, that's that's three grants. Three grants. Okay. Well, if we were to increase the the amount from twenty five hundred to five thousand. It'd be three. So three events. Three events, yeah. Okay. So you said fifty thousand. [0:40:54, 0:41:00]: Fifteen down. So in the line item we have fifteen down. Three events. Three events. [0:41:01, 0:41:21]: All right. Mr. Alexander, do you have another question? Thank you. I do. I I just want to thank you, Mr. Alliance, for bringing some outstanding stuff. We've been trying to move things like this forward to get events in the downtown. We we just gotta stop the micromanaging. We we just really do. It it is it is an outstanding program. [0:41:20, 0:41:31]: The staff has done the due diligence to put the work in place. And we gotta start trusting the staff. We really do. It is a situation where [0:41:31, 0:41:51]: The thing that you brought to us is as far as the meeting that you're having at Frozen Smoke, it's exactly what we wanted. It's exactly what we've been aspiring to do to move these things forward. We got so many programs in the city that we got so many onerous regulations, we can't even get Frozen Smoke a uh [0:41:51, 0:42:08]: uh a facade grant because the regulations are so onerous. We gotta be more business friendly. These processes have got to be a lot easier for the businesses to access so that they can use them and that they can move forward. We know frozen smoke is open, right? [0:42:09, 0:42:15]: We know that they are an outstanding business in downtown. Why is it so hard for them to get a facade grant? [0:42:16, 0:42:31]: These businesses, these kind of things that we we're dealing with, and when we put these programs into action and you put more regulation on top of regulation on top of regulation, businesses have to figure filter through the regulations. [0:42:31, 0:42:37]: Sometimes you gotta think about it from the side of the business owner who has to apply for it. [0:42:37, 0:42:39]: Now I just found out the other day that [0:42:40, 0:42:45]: In order to qualify, the business has to take a customer service class. [0:42:45, 0:42:45]: What? [0:42:47, 0:42:48]: Who asked for that? [0:42:49, 0:42:52]: What are we talking about? For the facade grant. No way. [0:42:54, 0:43:14]: These these regulations I would not ask you to and and and Main Street and all y'all to go back to look at the regulations and the requirements because we have all of this money at the DDA and the citywide authority and the DDA has not been dispensing these because of all of these onerous regulations. So I want you to [0:43:14, 0:43:21]: Uh I would ask and I would ask the councilmates to look at it because we're not d it's not getting to the public. [0:43:21, 0:43:32]: I'm telling you right now, it's not the money is there, but it's it's all of these regulations that are keeping the money from getting to the businesses. We gotta make it easier. Continue. [0:43:32, 0:43:35]: All right. Mr. Thomas, go ahead please. Right. [0:43:36, 0:43:37]: Mr. Lance, I [0:43:39, 0:43:41]: I don't think we are micromanaging [0:43:42, 0:43:44]: I think we have to understand [0:43:46, 0:43:49]: When when we come to council meetings [0:43:51, 0:43:53]: Go ahead, please. Go ahead, Mr. Thomas. [0:43:53, 0:43:59]: I don't think we are micromanaging. I I think we have to understand the process. [0:43:59, 0:44:02]: When we have council meetings [0:44:02, 0:44:05]: Staff come to make a presentation. [0:44:06, 0:44:10]: We have folks here in the audience. We have people viewing. [0:44:11, 0:44:12]: It's about [0:44:13, 0:44:16]: disseminating the information. [0:44:16, 0:44:19]: So when we ask questions [0:44:19, 0:44:21]: It's in the process of [0:44:21, 0:44:23]: Clarification. [0:44:23, 0:44:25]: А микіншо. [0:44:25, 0:44:27]: that the information is correct. [0:44:28, 0:44:43]: making sure that we as an elected body have the correct information. So when we go out and speak to the public, we are speaking correct information. So it's not micromanaging. It's about educating ourselves. [0:44:44, 0:44:57]: And educating the public. And I and I think, see, even the question about the ARPA funds, we know that we have to spend these funds correctly. So when a question is asked. [0:44:58, 0:45:00]: It's out of that concern. [0:45:01, 0:45:04]: Та миксюр да ви а не комплієнс. [0:45:04, 0:45:07]: And this is our role as elected official. [0:45:08, 0:45:11]: as you as a staff person, the city manager, the attorneys, [0:45:11, 0:45:31]: We have to make sure that we are doing things correctly. So I don't have a problem with the discussions. And this is all it is: it's discussion. It's not micromanaging. It's a discussion to make sure that we're doing things correctly: the process, the procedures, and making sure that we as a council we're educating. [0:45:31, 0:45:42]: educated and when we go back out and talk to cause some folks are viewing this and they will come up to us on the street and ask us questions about this program. We need we have to be able to [0:45:43, 0:45:51]: Explain the program to them. So that's why we have to have that knowledge. So whom and that's our role. [0:45:52, 0:45:59]: to be able to go back out and to talk to the citizen about these programs. So let's not continue to [0:45:59, 0:46:11]: badger when when we're just trying to get educated. My last question, uh for those citizen that may be viewing, can you refresh our memory of [0:46:11, 0:46:28]: the boundaries because you may have some folks out there saying, well, I may want to do something here in this particular area. Is that in the boundaries? Can I do that? So can you just refresh our memory on on the boundaries that this grant will apply to? [0:46:28, 0:46:29]: Sure. [0:46:29, 0:46:49]: And I'm uh I'm always happy to answer questions if I have the answers. And if I don't, I'll make sure to call on whoever has the answers. So um definitely it's always a pleasure to answer any questions and provide any clarification that is needed. Um as far as the boundaries, we use the DDA boundaries for this particular grant and the D D A boundaries they [0:46:49, 0:47:09]: on East Atlanta they go all the way down by the Publix and if you're on North Enry Boulevard you go all the way down to Walquarry and then if you're going up it's all the way by uh after you pass the Methodist church. So those are the what we consider as the DDA boundaries for um for this particular program. That's what we [0:47:09, 0:47:29]: Use. Now, if I may, Mehir, I would love to provide some clarification on the facade program and the idea that we require a customer service for a facade program. That is simply not the case because the facade program does not require. [0:47:29, 0:47:49]: customer service training. Now um in that particular instance um for the facade program itself uh we did get an application and we reviewed the application and the document that was provided was not accurate and we've um asked for additional documentation because [0:47:49, 0:48:09]: For us to approve work to be done by a contractor, we have to make sure that the contractor is licensed and insured in the state of Georgia. So if that's not the case, then we can't we can't approve for a number of reasons. Um and then as it relates to the customer service, um the downtown business assistance program, which that [0:48:09, 0:48:29]: business that you mentioned um is going to receive that grant. And as part of the terms and conditions, which is uh part of the guidelines, it says that you have to agree to the terms and conditions. And one of the conditions is that as we see this as a partnership with Visit Enry, and we want to encourage any of our hospitality partners to take that [0:48:28, 0:48:34]: [2915.7, 2917.8]: Let him finish his comment first, please. [0:48:38, 0:48:58]: Sure. Go ahead, finish your question. So our partnership is with you know Visit Enry, and we want to make sure that if you're in the hospitality industry, if it's a uh the downtown business assistance program is geared towards specialty retail, uh restaurants, entertainment, all these businesses are customer oriented and customer focused. So we want [0:48:58, 0:49:18]: So it's not um per se a um punishment. We don't see it as a punishment towards a business, it's just a probably ninety minutes or you know two hour course that you have to take for their you know staff on customer service training. But you just uh okay. [0:49:17, 0:49:22]: You said it wasn't required, then you said it was required as a part of the other part of the program. [0:49:22, 0:49:31]: Sure, I I said that the customer service training, it is not a requirement for the facade program. We would but it is a requirement for [0:49:33, 0:49:46]: The downtown business assistance program. Yes, we asked that when the grant that's the umbrella program. That's the that's the business assistance the downtown program. You can't get the other grant unless you own part of the downtown assistance program. [0:49:46, 0:50:06]: The grants are sep the grant programs are separate. We're we're talking about a number of different grant programs. So the downtown business assistance program, just to refresh um uh you know the the memory uh um just just to keep it focused. The part of the downtown assistance program requires them to do [0:50:06, 0:50:08]: A customer service class. [0:50:09, 0:50:12]: To be a part to participate in the program. [0:50:13, 0:50:33]: To be in compliance. That's participation, right? Yes. So there i it is required to be a part of the downtown assistance program. Yes. And the same way we also require them after they receive the grant that they have to remain in the downtown area for a minimum of three years. That is part of I mean compliance and monitor. [0:50:33, 0:50:47]: monitoring or just part of any other program. We did not say we're not gonna approve the pro the grant. We actually approved it and I believe they they went to the training and we're we're moving forward. Okay, so they are getting yeah. Thank you. [0:50:47, 0:50:48]: All right, go ahead, Ms. Mayor. [0:50:49, 0:50:58]: Okay. So now that you made clarification of that, I appreciate that'cause I was concerned when you said it was a requirement for customer service. But [0:51:00, 0:51:01]: Um [0:51:03, 0:51:23]: That customer service program is online. Mm-hmm. It's literally like an hour if that hour, hour and a half. And then they take a quiz afterwards and they get a twenty five dollar coupon to what other other stores are gonna like that have taken the class. They get like their employees as well. And it's a really [0:51:23, 0:51:24]: Really? [0:51:25, 0:51:27]: Great look. Um Christy Dean [0:51:27, 0:51:34]: from Drip Through is actually the narrator of it. And it's um through Visit Henry. [0:51:36, 0:51:50]: And it actually is a really good program. I actually use it to train my employees because they need to know good customer service. And in order for it's it it's not a hindrance actually, now that I think of it, because [0:51:52, 0:51:59]: We want the business to get business, but we don't want them to have a bad attitude down here either. We want the reputation of [0:51:59, 0:52:05]: We also are providing you with free it's free too. You don't pay for it. You just go log in and [0:52:06, 0:52:25]: You can stop and start, but it's not like it's the long class. It literally might be an hour and 15 minutes, hour and 30 minutes, maybe, if that. So if anybody's complaining about that, I would be concerned because um all it's doing is benefiting them and their employees. Their employees get the$25 coupons too. [0:52:25, 0:52:27]: So it's it's something that [0:52:28, 0:52:31]: Their tactics are based off of Disney World. [0:52:32, 0:52:35]: And Chic filet and other well known [0:52:36, 0:52:41]: customer service friendly and it helped me get a national award and get business of the year. [0:52:42, 0:52:45]: So I I r highly recommend it. [0:52:45, 0:52:55]: I I certainly agree with you. I just don't know if that's a good idea. So [0:52:56, 0:53:04]: It it it it it is not a requirement to get the facade grant, but it's a requirement to be a part of the downtown assistance program. [0:53:04, 0:53:07]: But what comes with the downtown assistance program? [0:53:08, 0:53:16]: It is twenty thousand dollars worth of money, um, interior improvements, capital equipment, marketing and rent abatement, depending on whether it's a new business or not. [0:53:17, 0:53:18]: So each business gets that? [0:53:19, 0:53:24]: In each illi eligible business, yes. So why wouldn't we as a city [0:53:26, 0:53:46]: want to have some type I I want to make it easy for them, but this is easy. All you gotta do is go online and talk about customer service. There's no way I want to give people$20,000 and then they have a bad attitude. But that's not our responsibility. It's the this is a private sector business that is dealing with the public. If they're not giving good customer service, they're gonna go out of business. [0:53:46, 0:53:59]: I this is these are these are this see this is my issue with this right here. See, this is bu bureaucratic red tape that if you go out and talk to the business owners, they're saying there's so much red tape [0:53:59, 0:54:05]: here with these various programs, it's hard for them to navigate when they're trying to keep their doors open. [0:54:05, 0:54:25]: That's what I'm talking about. It's it's just a n it's not that it's a bad program. It's just that it's another layer on top of all the other stuff that they gotta deal with. Well, I don't know what else they are required to do for twenty thousand dollars, but twenty thousand dollars can almost pay for a hood. It can pay for a grease trap. That's major. It's ten thousand, right? [0:54:25, 0:54:28]: It's a twenty thousand dollars with a ten thousand dollar match. [0:54:28, 0:54:44]: I'm saying whatever it is. The downtown business assistance program does not have a match. Okay, so it's not a m okay. So whatever whatever the case, twenty thousand dollars, that's a lot. We should have some type of restrictions. And you w you want the business to stay there, so it's only beneficial to them. And I get the red tape. [0:54:44, 0:54:50]: I'm more concerned about when they come down and do an application that they um [0:54:51, 0:55:08]: you know, are told up front certain things. Some people start renting buildings and then find out they can't do the business there or they are taken through red tape just trying to get their foot in the door instead of having everything done up front. There there's some policies and procedures that I wanna deal with about that. [0:55:09, 0:55:11]: But if we're giving them money [0:55:11, 0:55:30]: They need some type of requirement. And this, I promise you, you can watch this thing within an hour and be done. Like and you literally click a button and you're over. It's not like it's a may exam with pass or fail. Well, they show you if you pass them questions, but it's stuff that they need to know. And [0:55:31, 0:55:51]: I think it's beneficial as a whole. It's not red tape. It's not red tape when we offer them free business sessions on how to go about writing and getting grants for their business or business advice about how to form their LLCs. It's not hurting us then. We're not micromanaging them. I think this is beneficial. What we're seeing. [0:55:51, 0:55:53]: [3355.0, 3359.8]: wants to make sure you get it. We want really we want good customer service. We want [0:56:00, 0:56:11]: nice businesses, professional businesses, and we are giving you the tools to m to be successful. This is what we demand. We're gonna give you some money. [0:56:12, 0:56:15]: Make sure you come here with excellence. [0:56:15, 0:56:19]: And so we're gonna give you those tools to make sure that you're excellent. So I don't I don't have a problem with that. [0:56:21, 0:56:34]: My my my issue is not that. My issue is is is is I agree that there should be certain requirements. The problem is the results. We got all of these programs and nobody is getting the money. [0:56:35, 0:56:55]: This is the problem. When I say that, we got all of these programs out there, but nobody is getting the money. Go talk to the business owners out there. How many facade grants do you see with North Henry Boulevard looking like it looked, or downtown looking like it looked? They're not getting the money. And that is my problem. So I [0:56:55, 0:57:07]: I want them to look at whatever onerous, whether it's that one, or whatever is causing the money not to go out. I want that fixed so we can get these businesses the money because they are struggling. [0:57:08, 0:57:28]: All right. Uh Miss Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. Mr. Alon so that I'm clear. Um this downtown special events program that is completely separate from the facade program that we're talking about, right? We're talking about two different things. Yes. Thank you. The next question is um the facade program is um [0:57:28, 0:57:28]: Um [0:57:30, 0:57:33]: Managed by the downtown development authority. [0:57:33, 0:57:40]: So they have their own criteria or structure in which they issue those facade grants, correct? [0:57:41, 0:58:01]: Yes, so uh w there are two facade programs. There is a city wide facade program that was approved through um BRICS about I think it was approved in June or July. Uh so that's fairly new. And the D D has its own um program. And we had a discussion about [0:58:01, 0:58:18]: you know, the DDA facade program and they actually uh took a step forward by increasing the funding amount, uh the maximum that a business could get. They increased that amount and uh we've been, you know, uh promoting the program. With any facade programs, the um [0:58:19, 0:58:39]: The issue that or the challenge that you have with facade programs is that most of them require a match and the work has to be done first. Now, the way that you overcome that is by providing funding that would make people wanna take the work um, you know, in the [0:58:39, 0:58:59]: first place. For example, when I when I was in Orlando, when I got there, the facade program was up to 20,000 and we weren't getting any uh applications at all. And you know, I reviewed the program and we took that amount from 20,000 to 100,000 and we started get a lot of getting a lot of applications. [0:58:58, 0:59:15]: It is it is tricky because the owners have to take the first step. They have to spend the money first to get the work done and then they get reimbursed. Now, if council would love for us to look at other ways that we can assist uh businesses through uh [0:59:15, 0:59:30]: it exterior improvements that may not require that. We would be more than happy to explore uh other opportunities, but facade grants overall are just that's the challenge with them. You just have to offer the money that would allow somebody to take the first step. [0:59:31, 0:59:34]: Thank you, sir. I do have a question. Who determines [0:59:35, 0:59:44]: Going back to this downtown special events program, that is the item on the agenda. Who determines the eligibility when a business wants to [0:59:44, 0:59:47]: Host a special event. [0:59:47, 0:59:52]: The eligibility for the program or the eligibility for a special leave for a reimbursement. [0:59:54, 1:00:08]: So uh basically staff, economic development staff would um do the the work first and then, you know, with the amendment that we're proposing, because it is five thousand, then the city manager would approve the grant. [1:00:08, 1:00:12]: So it's up to five thousand dollars per event. Yes. [1:00:12, 1:00:13]: Thank you, sir. [1:00:13, 1:00:15]: No problem. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [1:00:16, 1:00:18]: Mr. Lance uh question is that [1:00:19, 1:00:25]: 'Cause I thought Main Street had a facade grant program also. At one time. I thought we I thought they did anyway. [1:00:26, 1:00:45]: Uh with those facade grants, is there stipulations pertaining that that these uh businesses are given that shows the do's and don'ts of what we expect to see downtown? I mean I'm just trying to figure out how do we how do we provide grants and uh [1:00:46, 1:00:47]: And we don't and [1:00:49, 1:01:01]: Well, I'll I'll talk to you about that later. Something happened. I I don't wanna go too deep and into the sky blue stuff. Uh but also I have to agree with Councilman Alexander. [1:01:01, 1:01:10]: Is that I I I I I want us to promote downtown. And you I you you you've came on board and you're doing something I haven't seen since I've been in office. [1:01:11, 1:01:19]: And that's somebody diligently working to promote downtown in the way that you're doing. You're putting a plan in place and you're putting and you're and you're executing. [1:01:20, 1:01:40]: And you when you come to us, you're not coming to us saying what we want to do, you're saying, hey, this is what I would like to do, and you're executing. But I I I have to agree with Mr. Alexander, I don't want to see us into the management or business part. Because if you open up a business and you're rude to people or you're not [1:01:39, 1:01:48]: not giving good customer service, you're gonna end up just like that church's chicken over on 138 that's gone. I can say it now because they're gone. So [1:01:49, 1:02:09]: But good business brings in people. And when you open up a business, you have to have a plan in place on how do you keep people coming back, because you only have one time to make a first impression. So I don't want us to make so many stipulations inside the criteria that we find those stipulations also manageable. [1:02:09, 1:02:15]: managing businesses versus allowing the marketplace to manage itself. So I'm in agreement with that part. [1:02:16, 1:02:36]: All right. This is a final comment. Let me tell you, Mr. Lut, I've patted you on the back a thousand times since you got here because you're doing a ma magnificent job. My comments are targeted toward what you were doing because these programs were already in place when you arrived, weren't they? They were already here. The facade grant program, the DDA. Now originally [1:02:36, 1:02:56]: The DDA program, the the requirements were actually, it might have been as Mr. Blount indicated under a city department before we turned it over to the DDA. Because it seems as though the DDA, the rules are very similar, and that the rules may have actually been written by us. Not sure whether that's [1:02:56, 1:03:16]: That's the case or not, but I think it is. Is the the requirements are very similar to what they are. I think the DDA pretty much adopted what the staff recommended that they do. My thing to you is not to say uh that uh that that it's you. My thing to you was to say it's [1:03:16, 1:03:36]: Is is at the council was agreeable to go back and look to see what it is that we can do to make it easier to change the result. Whatever that is that's best that you come up with, not us, that can get these facade grants up. You know, I was at the DDA. [1:03:36, 1:03:56]: Meeting and the clerk suggested, Miss Holliday was there, she takes the notes, that we give them some give them some of the money up front so that they could actually do the work. It is not like that, it's unwritten that you couldn't do that. Because if you were a business owner and you're nickel and dime and you're trying to get your doors open, and you say, [1:03:56, 1:04:16]: Well, uh, do I have 10? You don't have ten thousand dollars. But if you had the money, and where we might have paid the contractor directly instead of giving the money to the business, you pay the contractor directly. The mut the business never touches it. They the money goes directly to the contractor that you know. [1:04:16, 1:04:33]: is licensed and insured and all of the above. I'm not saying we will do that. I'm asking you to look at all of the possibilities of what we can do to change the results so we can start getting these grants out citywide and the downtown development authority. Will do. [1:04:33, 1:04:34]: All right, go ahead, Ms. Kent. [1:04:35, 1:04:46]: Uh Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve this downtown special events program to increase the maximum funding amount from twenty five hundred to five thousand. Second. Okay. All favor please indicate. [1:04:47, 1:04:51]: Do you all oppose? You obstain? Question. Question. [1:04:51, 1:04:52]: Question. [1:04:53, 1:04:58]: I wanted to know what and maybe you answered it, what is the twenty twenty four proposed budget? [1:04:58, 1:04:59]: For this program. [1:05:00, 1:05:02]: The maximum amount. Do we know? [1:05:03, 1:05:18]: So again, this is ARPA funding that we're using. So uh this program is not part of our economic development budget for twenty twenty four. But we want to continue it after the ARPA funds runs out. So [1:05:19, 1:05:32]: This won't be a line item in the budget for twenty twenty four or twenty twenty five. We just don't foresee us doing it after then. Say three. Maybe twenty twenty five. Until it reaches it's already in there. [1:05:35, 1:05:49]: I thought you said three events a year. Yeah. So if we do three if we do we're already in September, so let's say we do one event. We do one event this year and then uh next year we'll we'll only be able to do two and that that's it for that program. [1:05:49, 1:05:52]: So three different businesses will host [1:05:52, 1:05:53]: An event. [1:05:53, 1:05:57]: It can be a business or an organization, non profit or an in yeah. [1:05:58, 1:06:16]: Thank you, sir. Mm-hmm. I support this. Thank you, Mayor Ford. Oh, all right. So we took a vote. So let's just do this one the ma motion was made, miss second from Miss Gantt to Miss Downs and all in favor, please indicate. Real quick, I just wanna make sure the cap is fifteen thousand total, right? Five ten fifty fifteen thousand. [1:06:16, 1:06:24]: Is the cap for this event for this? Yes. Okay. I want just to include that in there that the cap is fifteen thousand per year. [1:06:26, 1:06:27]: per year. [1:06:27, 1:06:28]: For this. [1:06:28, 1:06:42]: Certainly, and and it's worthwhile to continue it. I could see it going to the general fund budget in twenty twenty five at fifteen thousand. Right. Yeah. Per year. Right. Right? Yes. All favorite pleas indicate. [1:06:42, 1:06:57]: Okay, got a unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Okay, thank you, Mr. Lance. Okay. What we have next is the uh reconsider uh reconsideration of a motion. Um Miss Gantt, you brought this forward. I would think um Mr. Washington, you need to come to the podium, please, sir. [1:07:02, 1:07:22]: And I know that you sent everybody, I don't know if everybody read it, but you sent some type of clarification uh to the entire council about this as well. Yes. And so we were just asking for clarification on the the final outcome of everything that was discussed when going back and reviewing was that there was a resolution that was passed that was a three-two vote. [1:07:22, 1:07:35]: vote. There's a question about whether or not because the there was a prior motion that was not ruled upon, which could be looked at as a motion to reconsider, whether that obstructed council's intent. And so to clarify council's intent, [1:07:36, 1:07:38]: We're asking counsel as to whether or not you want to. [1:07:39, 1:07:40]: A point. [1:07:41, 1:07:42]: Be a resolution. [1:07:43, 1:07:44]: Deputy City Clerk. [1:07:44, 1:08:04]: Or whether you want to let it go through the normal hiring process, which will be done by the city manager as he directs. And so those are the two matters. And if it's going to be that you all want to do what was expressed, the resolution as a three-two. [1:08:04, 1:08:20]: then I would just ask that that be done that way and so the meeting minutes can be clear. And if you want to do it through the regular hiring process, ask that you do it that way so that the minutes can be clear. Or if there's a third option that you all have, do it that way. [1:08:21, 1:08:23]: Yeah, sir. Go ahead, please. Okay. [1:08:23, 1:08:43]: Did you I just think we need to go ahead and move forward. Sure, that's no problem. Okay. I'll make the motion uh uh for this particular um it is the directive of the consensus of council that the staff shall be prohibited from directly hiring anyone for the position of deputy clerk and to yield to the will of the council to appoint the candidate. [1:08:43, 1:08:45]: [4126.4, 4128.7]: Dead second by Ms. Blount. I'm fair, please indicate. [1:08:50, 1:08:50]: I'll pose. [1:08:52, 1:08:56]: Okay, discussion. Okay, three one. [1:08:57, 1:09:00]: What's your what's your point? Please. [1:09:00, 1:09:16]: So with this motion, the city clerk is not able to hire directly um to fill the position of the deputy city clerk. That's correct. So we're going to leave the ordinance as it is currently. [1:09:16, 1:09:21]: Um which gives the council the authority to hire. [1:09:21, 1:09:34]: Well see, that's where the confusion came in. There was never an ordinance on the issue. Okay. You all had voted in well, not you all, prior counsels had voted to have the deputy city clerk appointed. [1:09:35, 1:09:37]: And so because [1:09:37, 1:09:55]: councils cannot bind successive councils, then there's the c the question is what do you all want to do with this process? And that is best expressed via an ordinance. I mean b be ordinance or resolution. This is a resolution. Yeah. Okay. [1:09:55, 1:09:56]: Mm. [1:09:57, 1:09:57]: All right. [1:09:58, 1:10:01]: A motion was made by Mr. Alexander, second by Mr. Blount. [1:10:01, 1:10:03]: I'll tell you again, all in favor of that motion please indicate. [1:10:03, 1:10:04]: Maybe. [1:10:05, 1:10:10]: Um I have one question. One I'm sorry, one question just for the attorney. Go right in the paper. Go right in. [1:10:11, 1:10:11]: So [1:10:12, 1:10:16]: Because there was a motion for reconsideration, that was part of the question. [1:10:17, 1:10:22]: Should Councilman Alexander not do the motion for reconsideration and then we vote? [1:10:22, 1:10:23]: On the second part? [1:10:24, 1:10:25]: So [1:10:27, 1:10:28]: If that was at issue. [1:10:29, 1:10:29]: So [1:10:30, 1:10:32]: There are a couple of ways that they can be looked at, right? [1:10:32, 1:10:33]: This [1:10:34, 1:10:54]: Some things a province of the chair. So if the chair, if a motion is given by the chair, or if a motion is taken up by the chair and it is not voted upon, right? It can be assumed that if it's not voted upon in that meeting, then it can die in that meeting, or the chair can bring it back. However, if you all don't express anything about it, [1:10:53, 1:10:54]: [4254.6, 4257.2]: then there's no action that's taken. [1:10:57, 1:11:05]: Because no action is taken, right? If there's a motion, any motion that there's no action taken, there's been no action taken by this council. [1:11:05, 1:11:25]: Okay, none. Right, no. That's your position. If you all want to have taken an action on it, then the majority could override and say, we didn't vote on this, we'd like to there was a vote called and go from there. The what the what the decision was was to be clear on what you all wanted to come back and act. [1:11:25, 1:11:29]: Ask so that that way what would be taken up and [1:11:30, 1:11:34]: the directive be given for you all to vote on that. [1:11:34, 1:11:39]: as you all already have, and that's the clarification, so that if there is [1:11:40, 1:11:50]: any other procedural matters that you've clearly expressed what you all want to do in this situation and there are no other motions currently pending about that matter. [1:11:51, 1:12:11]: What I would think is that uh the from the resolution motion to pass three two for the council to approve and from what I've seen electronically in emails and even tonight in the motion, I would think we need to just move on and think this will the council to go ahead and be part of the process to appoint the deputy city clerk. [1:12:10, 1:12:16]: will and if I have any say so I think that's just a will at this point. Uh stand by please stand by. Yes Mr Blount. [1:12:17, 1:12:17]: Um [1:12:19, 1:12:26]: One of the things with me, I like for stuff to be clean, cut, and dry. What we just did tonight. [1:12:28, 1:12:28]: Just did. [1:12:30, 1:12:32]: Is on a recording and video. [1:12:32, 1:12:35]: From the last meeting, the exact same thing. [1:12:37, 1:12:39]: That's inefficient to me. [1:12:39, 1:12:39]: Mm-hmm. [1:12:41, 1:12:43]: Биказ адесп. [1:12:43, 1:12:51]: The vote could now change if it if if if if it was a will to change. So then we would be voting on the same item. [1:12:52, 1:12:57]: And to get two different results because we just did the exact same thing. [1:12:57, 1:12:59]: That's on film. [1:13:00, 1:13:03]: And on v on video and it was stated. [1:13:03, 1:13:05]: The exact same thing. [1:13:06, 1:13:12]: What does the minutes say? Does the minutes sh does the minutes from the clerk show a flaw in the in the process? [1:13:13, 1:13:20]: Then let's address the flaw in the process. What was the flaw in the process? Because if we don't j address it right now [1:13:20, 1:13:38]: We're gonna have the same exact same thing come up to us. Why? Because we did the exact same thing that's already been done. What flaw do we need to address? Because I don't want us ever coming up here and having to do the exact same thing when the when the decision already been made. Right. And I think [1:13:39, 1:13:51]: I was clear on what the decision was, right? And so since there was some confusion about it, I'm going to always make sure if there's confusion about what you all have done, I was clear that it was a three-two and if there was some procedural [1:13:52, 1:14:02]: issues surrounding that, right? At the end of the day, you all said what you want to do. You reiterated what you want to do. This is just the final point of clarification to make sure that it's clearly understood. Mr. Washington. [1:14:03, 1:14:03]: Mm-hmm. [1:14:03, 1:14:11]: Let me tell you what happens at the end of the day. At the end of the day, you're our attorney. Yeah. Nobody else in this room. [1:14:12, 1:14:17]: And it was if it was clear to you and legally clear to you that we did it properly. [1:14:18, 1:14:20]: We should not even have to vote again tonight. [1:14:21, 1:14:32]: And if there's some conflict and confusion that has a problem with that, then bring that to council because we have executive session rooms that we can deal with, uh uh we can deal with uh um personnel. [1:14:33, 1:14:37]: personnel uh uh uh real estate in in in litigation. [1:14:39, 1:14:42]: But we if you are a city attorney and you said it was clear to you. [1:14:43, 1:14:58]: This is a part of the night that should never even happen again because now later on it could be flawed if we ever do this again. Not with this situation, but another one. No, I I and our time is being wasted because if somebody got a problem with what this council has done. [1:14:59, 1:15:02]: Then bring it to the council and tell us what the problem is. [1:15:03, 1:15:23]: No, I listen, I can I can understand how you say it. I'm just going to always, as a lawyer, always say out of an abundance of caution. So we've done this. I appreciate y'all's time and consideration. I'm I'm ready to move on. We we voted vote. We voted the same the vote is the same. And uh so we need to move on. I'm I'm [1:15:23, 1:15:34]: Pretty sure she recorded it vote. We need to make sure that there's nothing else flawed with the decision we just made because we just is there a flaw in the decision we just made, uh Ms. Holliday? [1:15:36, 1:15:36]: Mm. [1:15:37, 1:15:39]: No, no, asking you a question because you're taking notes. [1:15:48, 1:15:50]: What's the right thing? [1:15:53, 1:16:01]: I'm okay, okay. Let's hold on. Let me make something clear. That's why I anytime something is flawed out here. [1:16:02, 1:16:04]: We get it from the clerk. [1:16:04, 1:16:12]: That there's a motion and there's a second on the floor, Mayor, and she corrects it so that when she puts it in a minute, there's not a flaw in it. [1:16:12, 1:16:22]: And I'm asking you now, because you've always done that since I've known you and since I've been coming to council meeting, is there a flaw in what we just did that's gonna be in your minutes? [1:16:30, 1:16:34]: Okay. All okay, motion has been made. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:16:35, 1:16:36]: Opposed. [1:16:37, 1:16:45]: You oppose, sir. So three you oppose as well? Three two motion passed. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. Now I'll still ask again, is there a flaw in the process? [1:16:46, 1:16:51]: May I um may I ask the question? Miss Holliday, um [1:16:52, 1:17:10]: We had to come back to the meeting tonight because from my understanding you thought that the last meeting there was a flaw, that something didn't take place in the right procedure. Was that corrected tonight? [1:17:10, 1:17:21]: Or is there still a f do you consider it still a flaw? Because usually you correct what we're saying is. Any other time it's been corrected. It'll be like, wait, y'all didn't take a vote. [1:17:21, 1:17:24]: Because this is dealing with the deputy clerk. [1:17:25, 1:17:27]: And because you are the clerk. [1:17:27, 1:17:30]: And you came up and presented the last time. [1:17:31, 1:17:34]: Із зер а до ю консир. [1:17:34, 1:17:45]: this a flaw at this point in time because the that from my understanding your clarification uh what's been going on is in in regards to the motion for reconsideration. [1:17:46, 1:18:05]: I am going to defer to legal counsel. I cannot override your legal counsel. Okay. All right. Uh the mo the motion passed three two. Unless legal counsel has anything additional to say at this time, we'll move on to our next item. Yes, sir. I would like for us for clarity and clear to be clear. [1:18:06, 1:18:14]: To ask legal, do we need to revisit the reconsideration from Mr. Alexander and vote on that tonight to go along with this? [1:18:15, 1:18:20]: [4701.6, 4706.9]: But that but that was understood at the last meeting. So I don't want so at this point [1:18:27, 1:18:38]: We don't need staff or anybody addressing anything pertaining to this because we can't keep going in circles. Whatever need to be cleared up, we just need to clear it up now. That's why I'm asking the questions. [1:18:44, 1:18:45]: Thank you, sir. [1:18:45, 1:19:05]: All right, we'll now move on to announcements of upcoming meeting events. Council meetings will be held in the city council chamber. Visit the city's website www.stopbridge at uh stopbridgega.org or visit the city's Facebook page or contact the city hall offices at 770-389-7900 for updates. [1:19:05, 1:19:25]: Stockbridge Citizens Police Academy Council meeting is the first Thursday of each month, 6 p.m. at Stockbridge Police Community Room, 4545 North Henry Boulevard. City Council meeting, second Monday of each month, 6 p.m. City Council Hall Chambers, October 9th. U Council meeting at 6:30 p.m. second Monday of each month, City Hall, leave [1:19:25, 1:19:45]: Levi Meeting Room City Hall October 9th. Youth Council Advisory Committee meeting 9:30 p.m. Excuse me, 6:30 p.m. Second Monday of each month, Levi Meeting Room, City Hall, October 9th. Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month, is 6 p.m. City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, October 10th. Main Street Advisory. [1:19:45, 1:20:05]: Board meeting second Friday of each month. Welcome center located at 130 north 130 Art Luther King Senior Heritage Trail, 9 a.m., which is October 13th. The Downtown Development Authority meeting is third Tuesday of each month. Welcome Center 130 MLK Senior Heritage Trail October 17th. [1:20:05, 1:20:18]: Commission meeting 6 30 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers fourth Thursday of each month, October 26th. The City Council Work Session meeting last Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, October 31st. [1:20:19, 1:20:39]: Join the city, City of Stockbridge for an annual bridge fest uh festival taking place Saturday, September 30th, Stockbridge Amphitheater and surrounding area. And to include uh the um to include across the railroad tracks there. And uh we have free free event, carnival rides, fruit trucks, vendors, and a concert. Uh [1:20:39, 1:20:59]: For the amphitheater, the gates open at 3 p.m. and contact the event staff at 770-389-5982 for more information. Be a wonderful weekend with British Fest. Join Councilman Councilwoman Gantt in a partnership with the Southern Crescent Pearls Foundation and A.K. Swarty, Siapha Omega. Um [1:20:59, 1:21:07]: Alpha Cypher Omega chapter for the Business Matters Entrepreneur and Black Business Expo. Saturday, October 1st at [1:21:08, 1:21:15]: Is it Sunday? Yeah, Saturday's a third. Sunday, October first. That's right. That's this coming Sunday. Thank you very much. [1:21:16, 1:21:30]: At eleven a.m. to five p.m. Mermanus Conference Center, contact uh via email PAO Black 365 at PSI Alpha Omega.org for additional information. [1:21:33, 1:21:53]: Join Mayor Pro Tem Barber for the Breast Friends Breast Health Awareness event on Monday, October 2nd at Merrill Manters Conference Center, lower level, and again on October 9th for the My Breast Friend mammogram screening event in partnership with women's imaging specialist. Mayor Ford, can I just add there are twenty [1:21:53, 1:22:05]: slots for free mammogram screening. Twenty slots. For Oc October s ninth activity? Yes. Okay, twenty slots available. For those that don't have insurance. Okay. Yes, thank you. [1:22:05, 1:22:25]: You're welcome. Join Councilman Blount for the Bingo Bass Wednesday, October 18th from 10 a.m. to noon at Murray Manor's Conference Center located at 111 Davis Road. Join me, Mayor Ford, for the monthly meet the mayor on Monday, October 23rd, from 10 a.m. to noon. Please contact Ros and Rawls to schedule an appointment at 678-200. [1:22:25, 1:22:32]: eight eight three three three three four four four four four eight or via mail rawls at city of stopbridge dash g a dot gov. [1:22:33, 1:22:53]: Join Councilman Thomas for Don't Trash Stockbridge Initiative centered around education, highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping. More information to follow. And also join Councilman Thomas for honoring veterans, honoring veterans and a continuous salute to all year long, these veterans. Please send you pictures of veterans and their names, brands, [1:22:53, 1:23:13]: rank and years of service to R. Rawls at City of Stockbridge dash G dot G O V. And by the way, of course, the uh October is breast cancer awareness month. So be aware of those particular activities that we have at the City of Stockbridge as well. And I believe the luncheon is I think October 12th and you have to [1:23:13, 1:23:33]: Sign up for that one and with the event staff. And then we have right, and then on the 14th, we'll have our Pretty and Pink Love Walk at Clark Park, and that starts roughly seven o'clock on that morning, I believe it is. And the luncheon starts at, I think, at 11 a.m. Okay. Get your tickets for upcoming 2020. [1:23:33, 1:23:39]: Stockbridge concert series by visiting stopbridgeamp.com [1:23:39, 1:23:51]: Or in person the ticket office located at 4650 North Henry Boulevard, which is right behind City Hall. The Wheel Call area ticket office located open from Thursday to Saturday, one to five P.M. [1:23:51, 1:24:00]: Okay. And our season is ending very shortly here. So we only have a few more concerts left before we get into the 2024 season. [1:24:00, 1:24:08]: And this uh Sunday, uh our blues concert is uh blues concert in Southern Soul is already sold out. [1:24:08, 1:24:14]: Uh so we still have a comedy show on October fourteenth with Monique nephew Tommy, Dominique [1:24:15, 1:24:26]: Rodney Perry Jr. and Tony Roberts. That's Saturday, the 14th of October. And then the last concert, pay concert of the year, will be Saturday, October 21st with Ludacris and Rich the Kid. [1:24:27, 1:24:40]: And sometime before the end of the calendar year, some probably late November, December, we'll be able to announce the twenty twenty four season uh for a concert series and look forward to that as well. [1:24:40, 1:25:00]: COVID-19 is still on the rise, so please make sure you take your current booster shot. There's a new booster shot out there for you. And as well, take your flu shot for the fall into the winter season here. We want you to be healthy, uh, folks, and uh be alive for a long time. You've got to be healthy though, right? And cost goes. Cost goes that the bridge. [1:25:00, 1:25:04]: Jodeco has a grand opening. [1:25:04, 1:25:17]: On Thursday, November sixteenth, eight AM. So get ready and as a matter of fact you can go to Costco's on that day, all that week and get ready for Thanksgiving. Buy all the things you need from Costco for your Thanksgiving dinner with your family, friends and relatives. [1:25:18, 1:25:38]: And October 10th in Murray Manor's Conference Center, we will have a candidate forum, which is a public event for our current uh current uh council members that are up for re-election. And that'll be moderated by the uh eight eight excuse me, Atlanta Journal Constitution Journalist will moderate that's a seven p.m. at Murray Manors on the tenth of October. [1:25:38, 1:25:42]: On that note, uh council, I need a motion to go into executive session. [1:25:42, 1:26:02]: Yes, sir. I think we we we certainly did a good job of talking about the um paid concerts, but we just need to let everybody Angie Stone is coming for free. Okay. The Fleetwood Mac band and uh tribute band's coming for free. Several free concerts on Saturday for those who partake in our biggest festival of the year, Bridge. [1:26:02, 1:26:22]: That's right. And we got a country star, Mark Wares coming through there and a tribute band for Stevie Wonder. So lots of different music. Uh once again the the Amphitheater opens up at three. Concert starts at five, I think five to ten. And it is free. You need you need to have a ticket to get in and to have a Pacific seat. Okay? And now I need a motion to go to the second session, Council. So move. [1:26:22, 1:26:27]: Well I've got Mayor, I moved over to go to second session for personnel, litigation and real estate. Okay. [1:26:28, 1:26:31]: Mrs. Blount. So move, Mr. Blount, all in favor, please syndicate. [1:26:31, 1:26:35]: All right. I'll pose you you pose? [1:26:35, 1:26:38]: You oppose. So three two will go into cycle session. [1:26:38, 1:26:39]: Pass. [1:27:15, 1:27:19]: Council, I need a motion to end the second session, please. So move. [1:27:19, 1:27:23]: Okay for Mr. Blount, is there a second? Mr. Dow is now a second. All in favor, please indicate. [1:27:24, 1:27:44]: All right, council. We uh need a motion to reconvene our our work session, please. So moved. Okay. Mr. Blount? My second. Second. Ms. Ms. Gantt, second in all favor, please indicate. All right. And from our executive session, we have something we need to mention here. Ms. Gantt, please. Mayor, um, I would like to move that we transfer the five. [1:27:44, 1:27:47]: Following properties to the URA. [1:27:47, 1:27:49]: One oh eight First Street. [1:27:50, 1:27:51]: And stop bridge. [1:27:53, 1:28:13]: Okay. 142 Wilson Avenue in Stockbridge and 44998 North Henry Boulevard in Stockbridge. So move. Okay. Mr. Alison, do you second that? Sir. Okay. All in favor, please indicate. All right. Thank you very much. Now I need a motion to end our city council uh work session. So move. Is there a second? From Ms. Gantt to [1:28:13, 1:28:16]: Mr. Blount, all favourite please indicate. God bless y'all. Good night.

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2023-09-11 source: 2023-09-11_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:13:10, 0:13:30]: economy and by increasing the level of collaboration and cooperation across the state agencies, businesses, and educational communities. Whereas the city of Stockbridge recognizes the critical role workforce development services play in our commitment to support a thriving environment for workers and employers in this, and whereas during the month the City of Stockbridge and Southern Technical Crescent College [0:13:30, 0:13:50]: Will further uh feature resources that workers, employers, and surrounding Henry County community can use to advance their careers, grow their businesses, and ensure their future economic prosperity. Resources include important data on the in-demand skills and growing industries, labor market trends, upcoming training sessions and events, and more. [0:13:50, 0:14:10]: And whereas the need to continue to invest in workforce development and career and technical education help keep to keep the state's economy and workforce strong. Now, therefore, I Anthony S. Ford, by virtual authority, invest in me as the mayor of the great city of Star Villa, Georgia. Now, on behalf of City Council members Ellen Alexander Alanda, Barber, John Blood, Kesigan, and Fonzul Thomas, who hereby recognize September. [0:14:10, 0:14:30]: As Workforce Development Month in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. We urge all citizens to become familiar with the services and benefits offered by career and technical education at Southern Crescent Technical College and the city's economic development team. A witness thereof, I have hereunto set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, 11th day of September, year of our Lord, 2023. [0:14:30, 0:14:32]: gonna sign this along with a click and as hell. [0:14:33, 0:14:35]: Thank you so much. [0:14:36, 0:14:37]: Can you? [0:14:38, 0:14:49]: I don't know if you you probably think initial comments you cover kind of both these areas anyway, but just in case now you all come on, come on, come on, team, come on up and take a picture here. Okay? [0:14:52, 0:14:56]: We can tighten up a little bit first, come on down this way. [0:15:04, 0:15:06]: Thank you. [0:15:16, 0:15:36]: Now I have this next proclamation and this is the first time the city has issued this and I would imagine that this particular proclamation will be last uh long standing for many years to come. This deals with the poet laureate Stephen Misher, Brother Misher. And Mr. Misher happens to be one of my fraternity brothers. [0:15:36, 0:15:56]: Alpha Vilef Attorney Incorporated. Come on up, please, sir. So this is a recognition of him, this aspect and what he does and what he's done for the city Stockbridge for a community. Sir, please. You don't just have to stand come here. I love I love his colors. I gotta say that. [0:15:56, 0:16:05]: No, not so long. Okay. Come on over so please. Okay. Um. [0:16:06, 0:16:26]: Po uh poet Larry, Stephen Michael Whereas Stockbridge is enriched by artists who have who live among us, among in residents, excuse me, where am Stockbridge, where a Stockbridge is enriched by artists who live among its residents and neighbors, colleagues and friends, whereas it is appropriate for Stockbridge to recognize promote poets and poetry as one of the many artistic disciplines. [0:16:26, 0:16:46]: That enhance the quality of life for citizens. And whereas Stephen Misher is a poet, a scholar, a family man, a veteran, and he is a CEO of Poet, uh Poet Poetic Outreach that empowers and transforms Foundation. Whereas Stephen wanted inspired one inspirational poet of the year and is an author. [0:16:46, 0:17:06]: Or four poetry books, his most recent book being The ABCs of Black Heroes. And whereas he has written and recited poems for all occasions such as anniversaries, graduations, funerals, birthdays, retirements, as well as for special events such as Gospel Choice Awards. Stephen has recited numerous original works for the events in the city of Stockbridge and for such numerous. [0:17:06, 0:17:26]: Notable dignitaries. It has me, Mayor Anthony Ford, City Councilman Afonso Thomas, Congressman John Lewis, Senator Raphael Warnott, and Congressman Hank Johnson, Stacey Abrams, Ambassador Andrew Young, and the late Dr. Christine King Ferris. Now therefore, I am Anthony S. Ford by virtual authority of SB as the mayor of the city of Starbucks, Georgia. On behalf of City Council members Elton Allen. [0:17:26, 0:17:46]: Alexander Laudabarber, John Blood, KesiGantt, and Alfonso Thomas do hereby recognize Timot Misher as a poet laureate of the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and witness thereof, I have here undo set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the eleventh day of September, year of our Lord, 2023. I signed the proclamation on the law and with our clerk Vanessa Holiday. [0:17:46, 0:17:51]: [1072.5, 1085.1]: No worries, sir, for us. I would like to uh thank you, uh Brother Ford and Brother Mayor Ford, and I would like to thank the uh city of Stockbridge City Council. [0:18:05, 0:18:06]: For [0:18:06, 0:18:10]: Uh this proclamation. Uh I've been writing poetry since I was uh fifteen. [0:18:11, 0:18:18]: And uh it's always been when you have a dream, uh it's something that almost like you're called to do something. [0:18:19, 0:18:23]: You just have to do it. It's not necessarily your profession. [0:18:24, 0:18:34]: But it's just something that you feel like this is what I was put on this planet to do. And oftentimes when you're doing something like this and you have a vision, you have a dream. [0:18:34, 0:18:42]: And people can't really understand it or see it, especially when you're talking about something like a a poet. I can't tell you how many times people say, well, what do you do? [0:18:43, 0:18:44]: I'm a poet. [0:18:44, 0:18:47]: Okay, but what do you do? So and I'll be when [0:18:47, 0:18:49]: had people just tell me straight up, look [0:18:50, 0:19:03]: They don't make any money, you can't do this. But uh for me uh to continue on almost like a uh I feel like a uh someone braving against a a strong wind and you just keep going. [0:19:04, 0:19:24]: To be recognized for this, especially being that I lived in this city for 15 years and wrote a poem for the city, for you, Brother Mayor, for you're for women's history as much, for Councilman uh Thomas, for uh [0:19:24, 0:19:33]: Patty King uh also for um um the uh Greenfront Cafe. Oh yes, yeah yes. [0:19:34, 0:19:37]: Carabin Hambrick uh several times. [0:19:38, 0:19:51]: And uh also for the uh Red Oak United Methodist Church, whom I wrote for for many years. And I was doing all this for free and f in the very beginning, just doing, just writing, the dream was what propelled me. [0:19:51, 0:19:55]: So uh to have somebody tap you on the shoulder and say [0:19:56, 0:20:07]: after all you've done, congratulations. It s Florida feels like uh I guess the closest thing I can say is somebody saying, Man, you entered the Hall of Fame You know. [0:20:12, 0:20:20]: So um once again I would like to uh thank the city of Stockbridge. I would like to thank this uh [0:20:21, 0:20:25]: Most of all I would like to thank uh young lady who [0:20:25, 0:20:28]: We all just walked into the room. [0:20:28, 0:20:36]: We try to keep this together, but my uh my wife who you know it's not easy to live with somebody that [0:20:40, 0:20:44]: Take your time, my man. Take your time. Take your time. Take your time. Take your time. [0:20:45, 0:20:54]: You know, it's not easy to live with somebody that, you know, just it really has a a dream and a passion to do something. [0:20:55, 0:20:55]: But [0:20:56, 0:21:03]: Keep it a brave soldier, wherever I go, wherever it is, South Carolina, Texas, Alabama, Florida. [0:21:03, 0:21:13]: And it's been times I wake up in the middle of the night, you know baby, help me write this, help me do this. And she's just a loyal soldier without she doesn't ask any she just like, let's go, let's do it. [0:21:14, 0:21:30]: And uh I really, really do thank uh Lis Lashonda, my my wife for just being a brave and loyal soulmate uh for my dreams and a constant, just constant cheerleader. Uh is almost [0:21:32, 0:21:52]: And you can imagine somebody being in the corner like like a boxer, a trainer. And she's just like, babe, you could get it. You could get it. You're the best poet in the world. You're the best poet in the world. Nobody can touch you. And uh I went from just just writing, just to be writing to she said, get a website, get business. [0:21:52, 0:21:57]: cards you could do this you need to charge people for this you that good [0:21:58, 0:22:18]: And uh so yes, I really, really uh every now and then you get landmarks just to show you just wow you'll really travel. So this proclamation it does mean a lot to me. And uh thank you. We'll take some pictures of you want. [0:22:18, 0:22:21]: uh the wife can join in the pictures or someone else can take the [0:22:21, 0:22:21]: Yeah. [0:22:23, 0:22:29]: What you may want to take your mask off too and come up. Okay. She's a method guy. [0:22:32, 0:22:36]: Appreciate it. Brown, we we appreciate you all by the what you're doing. [0:22:37, 0:22:37]: Okay. [0:22:58, 0:23:05]: Yeah. And uh this is very [0:23:07, 0:23:12]: Yeah, it's one of your right. [0:23:14, 0:23:19]: Okay. [0:23:23, 0:23:26]: Thank you for me. Three seconds, three seconds. [0:23:31, 0:23:36]: My next proclamation deals with National Hispanic Heritage Month. Is anyone here to receive that? [0:23:37, 0:23:57]: Okay. Alright, well I'm gonna read it anyway, right? Okay. So in recognition of National Hispanic Heritage Month, whereas each year the American observes National Hispanic Heritage Month from September 15th to October 15th by celebrating the histories, cultures, and contributions of American citizens whose ancestors came from Spain, Mexico, Caribbean, [0:23:57, 0:24:17]: Central and South America. Whereas the day of September 15th is significant because it's the anniversary of the independence of our Latin American countries, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Gualamala, Honduras, Nicaragua. In addition, Mexico and Chile celebrate their celebrate their independence days on September 16th and September 18th, respectively. [0:24:17, 0:24:20]: Also Columbus Day, Illalow Rasa. [0:24:20, 0:24:22]: Which is October twelfth falls within a thirty day period. [0:24:23, 0:24:43]: Whereas Hispanic Americans embrace the promise of the United States that a better life should await anyone willing to work for it and a love for liberty and justice that this country promises to all. Whereas this year's thing is Tudos Losos Losos Uno. We are all, we are one. Obviously, you realize. [0:24:43, 0:25:03]: I don't speak Spanish. And whereas the City of Starby supports the Hispanic community and acknowledges National Hispanic Heritage Month and encourages everyone to participate in the festivities throughout your community. Now therefore I, Anthony Spore, by virtual authority visit meet as the mayor of the city of Star Bay of Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members, Elton, Alexander, Langa, Barber, John, Blanc, Kisha Gan, and Fonsal. [0:25:03, 0:25:23]: Thomas, we hereby proclaim september fifteenth, october fifteenth, twenty twenty three as National Hispanic Heritage Month in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. In witness thereof I have hereundo set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the 11th day of September, year of our Lord, two thousand twenty three, and I signed a proclamation along with our Croix Vanessa Holiday. [0:25:23, 0:25:43]: Mayor, I have the owner of Rico's Mexican restaurant. Oh okay, come on. Yeah, please. Come on. Absolutely. I did not realize that, but here. Um I appreciate business owners within the city style bridge as well. That's fantastic. Absolutely. [0:25:43, 0:26:03]: Absolutely. So on that note, before we take a picture, I'll give this to you, right? And then now the floor is yours if we have anything you want to say. Okay, sure. Go ahead. Uh we've been part of the community for over twenty years and just excited to to be on uh uh at this moment right now. So thank y'all very much. Okay. [0:26:03, 0:26:16]: Okay. Yeah, come on this way, take a picture. Watch yourself, watch yourself. Yeah. This is very important. I'll hide it in work. [0:26:24, 0:26:37]: Thank you. Thank you very much. No, yeah, that's yours. Absolutely. Thank you. Congratulations on the Catholic Towns. Yes, congratulations. [0:26:40, 0:27:00]: The um this past September 7th, past Thursday, uh we had our inauguration for citizens, police advisors, council members were sworn in this past Thursday. I believe they're sworn in by Mary for Tim Barber here on Thursday. Okay. But I want to acknowledge the fact that they they chose several officers uh for that organization. Stephen Moon is actually chair. [0:27:00, 0:27:14]: of that particular citizen police advisory council. Dr. Thomas Smith is the vice chair and Mr. William Daniels is the secretary. So just want to acknowledge those individuals as well for being sworn in and taking on those leadership positions. [0:27:16, 0:27:30]: Um we have some um let me ask let me ask you this. I uh proclamation Constitution Week. Someone's here to receive that? No? I read that earlier. I just want to double check. Okay. All right. So on that note I have um [0:27:31, 0:27:45]: Several swearing ins that we need to do here. And um these are all youth council members. Okay. So uh let's see here. Gavin Bradley. [0:27:45, 0:27:47]: Come on up to it. [0:27:53, 0:27:55]: Alejandra Pocket? [0:28:01, 0:28:02]: Dana Simpson? [0:28:08, 0:28:09]: We had a hub. [0:28:14, 0:28:15]: Rihanna Augustine. [0:28:20, 0:28:25]: And Gabriella and Dona? And Deno? And Dino, come on up here. [0:28:27, 0:28:28]: You can. [0:28:28, 0:28:38]: Fantastic. Our our youth council, our new abductees, is gonna swear my our youth council here for this season. Yeah, we wanna slide on down a little bit, folks. Yeah, that's right. [0:28:41, 0:28:52]: And I'm going to ask you to uh raise your right hand, right? And I'm asking to repeat after me. I'll take a small little snippets there so you can repeat after me. Aye, state your name. [0:28:54, 0:29:14]: Do solemnly swear? Do solemnly swear that I will support and uphold? And defend the Constitution of the United States of America. And the laws thereof that I will support uphold and defend the Constitution and Laws of the State of Georgia. [0:29:14, 0:29:17]: Of the state of Georgia. Inconsistent? [0:29:17, 0:29:23]: I existed. Therewith. Therewith. I will obey. I will obey that I will observe. [0:29:23, 0:29:43]: That I will observe and obey the laws and ordinances of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, of the City of Stockbridge, Georgia, that I will faithfully perform and discharge the duties incumbent upon me as a member of the City of Stockbridge Youth Council. [0:29:43, 0:30:00]: Fairly and honestly to the best of my skill and ability. So help me God. So help me God. This is set this is the eleventh day of September. This is the eleventh day of September. Congratulations. [0:30:01, 0:30:05]: [1806.3, 1817.6]: Now what position I will I will I have to sign these along with you all, so we have to sign these in uh in call officer here. So uh see [0:30:19, 0:30:27]: What's gonna happen, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be taking our signature if we take the pictures and uh imagine that uh [0:30:28, 0:30:40]: You write down on Joker. Absolutely, you write down the script and there, you're in my district. And I'm also assuming that the [0:30:40, 0:30:46]: No council and they will have support. Building as a case. [0:31:13, 0:31:14]: How you doing? [0:31:15, 0:31:18]: You're gonna be next. You're next. [0:32:00, 0:32:01]: Yeah. [0:32:23, 0:32:30]: As we as we want to stand, do you have any other thoughts or words that you want to mention everybody? [0:32:31, 0:32:40]: I don't know if you all follow something over here, but I'm just so excited to reach the youth on the youth council you're gonna have it's it's gonna be a lot of work. [0:32:44, 0:32:46]: You don't have that and into your [0:32:47, 0:32:48]: Holding the [0:32:48, 0:32:51]: Grab hold of everything that we can teach you and we like. [0:32:55, 0:33:01]: Right there, she's like um words of wisdom is um [0:33:03, 0:33:05]: Just come in the authentic self. [0:33:05, 0:33:15]: Right. Um there is a lot of trending aspects people are trying to become like other people. And you were chosen for this spot to bring you yourself. [0:33:16, 0:33:35]: You know, we don't want uh duplicates of anything. So um be open to what's available to you. Um allow the adults to guide you, but we want to hear from you too because we learn from you as well. So just just be open and just receive what's available to you. And congratulations to everybody. Thank you. [0:33:37, 0:33:57]: So new members of the new council, any comments that y'all anybody want to say anything at all? The floor will be yours and then we'll if not, I mean you can. If not, how about the parents? Anything you need to say at this point before we take this final picture here? Anything? Thank you guys so much for you. Okay, you're welcome. Thank you for the word Okay. Okay, good. Anybody else? [0:33:57, 0:34:08]: Uh we're gonna okay, well it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. That we're gonna be interested with all these people here to get uh Okay, come on down for we're gonna have to kinda go a couple people deep while we imagine. Okay, come on down. [0:34:09, 0:34:12]: All right, come on, squeeze on down here. [0:34:13, 0:34:23]: Okay. Okay to we this might be blackness of clothes. Let me let me be happy here. Someone is a little bit no no I'll give that. [0:34:35, 0:34:38]: Sorry, okay. [0:34:40, 0:34:44]: I do this one, okay. [0:34:45, 0:34:47]: Okay, yeah. [0:34:54, 0:34:56]: Well, maybe that's the same. [0:35:15, 0:35:16]: Okay. [0:35:16, 0:35:32]: And we'll uh we'll get started with our council meeting in a few minutes here, folks. Uh we it'll give us about five minutes of easy to uh regroup and get started. Okay? Uh thank you. Uh three. Let me see here. Let me get the number here. [0:35:34, 0:35:35]: Yeah. [0:36:52, 0:36:53]: Yeah. [0:37:09, 0:37:15]: [2275.0, 2280.0]: Yeah, right. So the rest of the [0:38:22, 0:38:24]: Yeah. [0:39:50, 0:39:51]: [2409.8, 2410.1]: Yeah. [0:41:12, 0:41:12]: Besides. [0:41:47, 0:41:52]: [2512.8, 2513.6]: Yeah. [0:41:54, 0:41:55]: Yeah. [0:42:01, 0:42:06]: So it's probably [0:42:52, 0:42:54]: Yeah, that's an office when we start. [0:43:10, 0:43:11]: Yeah. [0:43:12, 0:43:15]: So [0:43:25, 0:43:30]: All right, Council, let's uh let's get started with our meeting, please. Council, please come to dias. [0:43:52, 0:43:54]: Council, please come to die so we can get started in a meeting. [0:44:07, 0:44:27]: Alright, ladies and gentlemen, um, this is Monday, September 11th, 2023, for a city council meeting. I have six eleven, and it's pretty uh pretty ironic. Uh September eleventh, twenty-two years ago, we had an attack on our nation, and it's now six twelve. Okay. So anyway, we'll get [0:44:27, 0:44:29]: started on a meeting, like the call to work. [0:44:30, 0:44:35]: The invocation, if you can please stand, Miss Paula Neely, please come forward. [0:44:40, 0:44:45]: Miss Nealy, you need to turn the mic around if you can uh speak into the mic there, if you could. [0:44:47, 0:44:50]: Thank you very much. Thank you. [0:44:51, 0:44:57]: Let us pray. O magnify the Lord with me and let us exalt his name together and [0:44:57, 0:45:01]: Dear Heavenly Father, we come this evening grateful and thankful for another day. [0:45:02, 0:45:07]: Twenty two years ago there was an attack on our nation, but today we're grateful and thankful for [0:45:07, 0:45:08]: That all is well. [0:45:08, 0:45:16]: There's so much going on. Be in the midst of this meeting. Continue to lead, God, and connect our community and city together. [0:45:16, 0:45:18]: We love you and we thank you for every blessing. [0:45:18, 0:45:23]: Bless everyone that is here tonight, those that that desire to come but are not here. [0:45:23, 0:45:29]: And just be in the midst. We love you and we thank you for every good deed and perfect gift which comes from you. [0:45:29, 0:45:49]: Thank you, Lord. These and all blessings we ask in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen, amen, and thank God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God in the midst of the world. [0:45:49, 0:45:52]: with liberty and justice for all. [0:45:54, 0:45:56]: Madam McClerk, roll call, please. [0:45:58, 0:46:08]: Mayor Ford. Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. [0:46:09, 0:46:29]: Let the record reflect Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Thomas. Mayor Ford, you have a call. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Council, I need a couple things need to happen here. I got a motion to amend the agenda, which means to remove the public hearing items regarding the Valley Hill Road development item number 12, 13, and 14. The actual developer deferred this until the [0:46:29, 0:46:31]: November thirteenth council meeting. [0:46:36, 0:46:43]: Uh November thirteenth, yes. November thirteenth council meeting wanna defer that. This developers wants to defer that. So moved. Is there a second? [0:46:45, 0:46:46]: Okay, on fair please indicate. [0:46:47, 0:46:52]: Thank you very much. Okay. On that note, those will those be s heard on the thirteenth of November. [0:46:53, 0:46:55]: a public hearing and [0:46:57, 0:47:12]: Thirteenth of November, right? Thirteenth of November. And now, um in reference to let's see here. And I guess what it amounts to is that uh Mayor Potem, you had something you wanna you wanna amend here? Yes, sir. [0:47:13, 0:47:15]: I wanna make a motion to amend the agenda. [0:47:16, 0:47:16]: To [0:47:17, 0:47:22]: Request to use um the Merl Manders Conference Center, the lower level. [0:47:22, 0:47:24]: On Monday, October second. [0:47:24, 0:47:29]: For a council initiative, Breast Friends, Breast Health Awareness Event. [0:47:31, 0:47:33]: And also October ninth. [0:47:34, 0:47:36]: I just want to add the item to the agenda. [0:47:37, 0:47:40]: Okay, is there a second to that uh amendment? [0:47:41, 0:48:00]: Is there a second to that amendment? I have a question. I thought we just get to automatically use it during the week. We didn't need approval for that. Well, I okay, that uh normally that's what happens there. I I know that I have some initiatives that I've I've uh didn't I didn't ask the council because I went on and took care of it out of the initiative fund. So [0:48:00, 0:48:05]: But uh if if you all want to second that motion we can go we can go down and approve that. [0:48:06, 0:48:10]: The dates once again, I'm sorry. [0:48:11, 0:48:20]: Well you got to I just want approval to use the Merl Manders for October second and October ninth downstairs. [0:48:21, 0:48:24]: Okay, Mr. Blount secondhand. All in favor, please indicate. [0:48:25, 0:48:29]: Okay, we'll take that as item number eighteen, near the end of new business. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. [0:48:30, 0:48:50]: All right, on that note I need a motion to the adopt the remaining part of the agenda, please. So moved. Is there a second? Mr. Mr. Thomas second that all in favor, please indicate. Thank you very much. Unanimous decision. Okay. What you have before you uh council would be the adoption of the minutes, council meeting minutes of uh July 10th. [0:48:50, 0:48:56]: Public hearing draft minutes of the July eighteenth, two July eighteenth, one at nine and one at six PM [0:48:56, 0:48:59]: The work session draft minutes of July twenty fifth. [0:48:59, 0:49:02]: In a public hearing draft minutes of the twenty seventh. [0:49:02, 0:49:08]: If there are no particular changes to that, I need a motion to adopt of all those minutes, please. So moved. Mr. Alzheimer's, is there a second? [0:49:09, 0:49:12]: Um Mr. Blount second there. All in favor, please indicate. [0:49:12, 0:49:16]: Good nancy Susan, thank you very much. Okay. Yes, sir. [0:49:16, 0:49:27]: When you press the move, you're talking about thirteen and fourteen twelve thir uh twelve, thirteen, and fourteen have been removed till November thirteenth. Okay. Uh on that note, Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments? [0:49:28, 0:49:48]: Okay, thank you. In reference to ceremonial review, uh today, ladies and gentlemen, we had several different proclamations um that are read and we issued out as a city. Uh first of all, I just wanted to make uh note it wasn't a proclamation for the nine eleven remembrancer, but we did have conducted in front of the city hall earlier uh this morning starting at eight o'clock and obviously twenty [0:49:48, 0:50:08]: Twenty-two years ago today, our nation was attacked uh by terrorists in uh four different locations that kicked us off into this uh uh a war on terrorism. Uh so uh we honored and paid homage and remembered uh the victims of the 9-11 uh terrorist attack earlier this morning here in front of City Hall. And um [0:50:08, 0:50:24]: So obviously since we'll never forget and also obviously freedom's not free, so we wanna make sure that you continue to keep in prayer the individuals that lost their lives, the families that lost their loved ones as they continue to deal with that over the course of the rest of their lives that the loved ones uh had perished. Um [0:50:25, 0:50:29]: in their tax at New York and both the North and South Tyre, the World Trade Center. [0:50:29, 0:50:45]: the Pentagon as well as in the the Western Pennsylvania field there where the plane crashed. So continue to keep those those citizens and matter of fact they're just not US citizens. There are a lot of there are diff uh 43 different countries that are affected by this terrorist attack on our soil twenty two years ago. [0:50:45, 0:50:48]: Well over about twenty seven hundred people, actually. [0:50:49, 0:51:09]: We did a swearing of the of our new uh youth council members. We have six new uh individuals, youth council members uh that are uh starting off this year and be part of the Stockbridge Youth Council. Now I'm gonna attempt to to pronounce these names. Ayana Augustine, Augustine, Layla Simpson, Gavin Bradley, Gabriella Instagram. [0:51:08, 0:51:12]: And d dingle, Rihanna Howe, and Andrew [0:51:12, 0:51:32]: Hilandra Hogate, if I got to pronounce right. Okay. Also, we had the Southern Crescent Technical College. Dr. Irvin Clark was here along with one of his presidents. And they are they are the technical college that's in uh in the area. And uh we've uh actually issued the upscale Stockbridge Proclamation. [0:51:32, 0:51:52]: proclamation uh proclamation of them too and it's an issue that the discussion that we'll have later on this evening uh during the council here and where we we the city of Stockbridge is is is collaborating with the Southern Crescent Technical College in reference to getting individuals uh skills certain skill training. And also the Workforce Development Month the proclamation was also read and given to Dr. [0:51:52, 0:52:12]: Dr. Clark. And I um so we we did that. We honored Hispanic Heritage Month proclamations. We were able to give that particular proclamation to owners of a wonderful restaurant. And uh so we did that, and then we recognized our [0:52:12, 0:52:20]: First uh city poet laureate, Stephen uh Misher. And uh so we recognize him as well. [0:52:20, 0:52:40]: Okay. The um a review, the swearing in of the Citizens Police Advisory Council members. Um there I believe it's twelve members were sworn in on September seventh at the police uh office, forty five forty five North Henry Boulevard, our our at our Starbury's police department. And that swearing in was conducted uh by uh Mayor Pro Tem Barber. [0:52:40, 0:52:55]: And out of that group uh there are uh three additional individuals took on leadership positions. Uh Stephen Moon is the chair, Dr. Thomas Smith the Vice Chair, and Doctor William Daniels would be the secretary out of that group. Okay. Uh let's see here. [0:52:57, 0:53:12]: And now I have pr a presentation, uh presentation on public safety camera initiative for high crime areas and new developments, ordinance, best practices and insights from similar cities. Presentation by our police chief, uh Chief Tremor. [0:53:13, 0:53:13]: Sir. [0:53:26, 0:53:27]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Evening. [0:54:03, 0:54:05]: All right. I will um [0:54:08, 0:54:22]: be very brief with this and we'll uh reserve any questions you all have until the end. Um as you are aware, Dr. Anderson had written a grant that uh allowed us to implement and uh potentially will allow us to expand upon [0:54:22, 0:54:26]: Ar camber network system in the city that grant that we received. [0:54:26, 0:54:33]: Is enabling us to uh install this year fourteen flock cameras to supplement the over hundred flock cameras that are already. [0:54:33, 0:54:37]: inside the city of uh Stock or inside of Henry County. [0:54:37, 0:54:57]: And we have with us this evening Mr. Cam Reed, who's a representative uh for Flock, and he's here to also present some information briefly, uh, but more importantly to answer any questions that the council may have as it relates to their um as as it relates to the implementation of these within uh the community. So as was requested. [0:54:57, 0:55:00]: [3301.2, 3321.2]: The council wanted to know a little bit more about uh legislation that had been put in place to require surveillance cameras and flock cameras within uh various different cities and municipalities and uh government entities. And so we've done some research. Dr. Anderson has pulled together some research and we've pulled together a very brief presentation for you. [0:55:21, 0:55:41]: This evening. Obviously, the installation of surveillance cameras or ALPR technology goes towards the city's mission of enhancing the quality of lives of members of our community. These are valuable tools to law enforcement. Some of the benefits include reduction in crime. There's actually some statistics that validate increasing. [0:55:41, 0:56:01]: Correlate camera implementation and reduce crime rates in monitored areas. They obviously have a deterrence value in discouraging offenders from engaging in criminal behavior. And then also it's an extremely valuable tool after the fact in terms of evidence collection, including facial features, vehicle details, and things along those lines. There are several local entity. [0:56:01, 0:56:09]: That have recently adopted ordinances governing surveillance. And I wanted to talk first about the City of Atlanta's policy. [0:56:09, 0:56:29]: Now their ordinance, they have two ordinances actually as it relates to the installation of uh surveillance technology within their city, and the first one that they implemented applies only to gas stations and convenience stores. Um the areas do not include the interior of the business, only the exterior of the business, areas surrounding the fuel pumps. [0:56:29, 0:56:49]: Um one of the things that we have to be mindful for no matter what direction we move forward in uh is that we cannot prescribe specific manufacturers or camera types. Uh those are things we can set specific uh specifications. However, we can't uh say as an example that somebody has to go with Flock or they have to go with another. [0:56:49, 0:56:51]: Um provider. [0:56:51, 0:56:53]: The um [0:56:53, 0:56:58]: Stipulations of that is that the cameras have to be in working order at all times, providing twenty four seven coverage. [0:56:58, 0:57:05]: Um they have to be active and operational during business hours is what the city of Atlanta requires. There's some other ordinances we'll look at here in a moment. [0:57:05, 0:57:25]: That uh requires continual training or uh recording rather than 24-7. There has to be a redundancy system in place as per their ordinance, and it's a condition of obtaining renewal of their business license. So in order to renew the business license, they have to show compliance with uh this. One of the things that is not addressed in there is uh enforcement. [0:57:25, 0:57:28]: So there's currently not an instrument for inspection or enforcement. [0:57:29, 0:57:36]: To follow along with this, um, they've implemented a n different ordinance and this ordinance applies to new um [0:57:36, 0:57:39]: commercial developments and so they've amended their building code. [0:57:40, 0:57:42]: And within that the [0:57:42, 0:57:44]: Policy basically says that [0:57:45, 0:58:05]: Any business over twenty five thousand square feet, with the exclusion of um places of worship, has to have the infrastructure in place in order to be able to install the cameras. Uh it doesn't mandate that they install the cameras, but it's saying that they have to have the infrastructure and the capability in place to do so as per um [0:58:04, 0:58:06]: the building requirements. [0:58:06, 0:58:11]: This only applies to new developments and it does not apply retroactively. [0:58:11, 0:58:15]: Now, probably one of the most comprehensive policies is the Cab County. [0:58:16, 0:58:21]: They have some of these similar things, but their ordinance actually um applies to [0:58:21, 0:58:41]: Uh convenience stores, not just gas stations, but any convenience store, and you can see how they define that, but also monitored businesses. And what they mean by monitored businesses, they've defined that as any business where there's been three or more calls for police service within the past thirty days. Those locations could be um deemed to be monitored businesses and then would be required to implement uh some sort of [0:58:41, 0:58:55]: sort of camera system within their business. Uh or if it's a location where there's a high instance uh or even a significant instance of uh a serious violent crime there could be required for them to implement that technology. [0:58:55, 0:59:00]: Uh as was mentioned with the City of Atlanta policy, the decab ordinance requires twenty four seven recording. [0:59:01, 0:59:03]: Um there's minimum camera. [0:59:03, 0:59:04]: Technology. [0:59:05, 0:59:07]: uh specifications that have to be in place. [0:59:08, 0:59:16]: And um again it's a condition of renewal of their uh business license in order to be able to um [0:59:16, 0:59:18]: operate in DeCamp County. [0:59:19, 0:59:39]: Some minimum standards, and I won't spend a lot of time for this, but you can see they've clearly defined uh where the cameras have to be placed. So into Cab County, any business that meets these requirements or stipulations has to have a camera at each register. At the entrances, exits to the business. At gas pumps, if it's a fueling station, at loading docks, parking lots, all entrances and exits. [0:59:39, 0:59:45]: Exits and the cameras have to be unobstructed. So you can see it's pretty comprehensive in terms of what they require. [0:59:45, 1:00:05]: Uh the camera technology, it specifies uh what type of technology, what the standards are, the record recording capability has to be able to record at greater than seventy-five feet. Um it has to be in terms of storage of the device, has to be kept in a secure, remote location and provide for continuous uh recording over a period of sixty days. So you have [1:00:05, 1:00:19]: And the other thing is that they are are requiring that the recordings be made available to law enforcement within a seventy-two hour window. And if they don't, then there are um [1:00:20, 1:00:24]: fines and and things that the business could face if they don't comply with that regulation. [1:00:25, 1:00:34]: Um considerations that they addressed in their policy is shared space because we know obviously there are some businesses that do have shared fa space, so there's a mechanism in place in order to be able to regulate that. [1:00:35, 1:00:40]: Um inspections. Uh all of the new businesses have to be inspected and one of the things that [1:00:40, 1:00:44]: The Cab County does is that they actually put this on their code enforcement. [1:00:44, 1:00:56]: And they've actually had to hire six additional code enforcement officers in order to be able to regulate this because it's required, you know, there are literally hundreds of businesses in DeCab County that have to meet this requirement. So um [1:00:57, 1:01:01]: Uh they're ha you know, they they recognize that that's one of the things they have to do in order to be able to [1:01:01, 1:01:10]: um enforce that. The other thing that they've done is they've um allotted some additional funding for specialists um on their commercial enforcement team is which they call it. [1:01:10, 1:01:22]: to um in terms of what to look for during the the inspections because not everybody is going to be familiar with all the technical specifications that are required by way of the ordinance so there's some training involved uh as it relates to that. [1:01:23, 1:01:24]: And [1:01:24, 1:01:29]: The city of Houston was another that has pretty comprehensive um uh policy. [1:01:29, 1:01:49]: The City of Houston's initiative is called One Safe Houston. And what they've decided is that any bars, nightclubs, sexually oriented businesses, convenience stores, and game rooms, that's their requirement for these businesses. They're of course responsible for the cost of installation associated with their particular businesses. They have to have a clear and unobstructed. [1:01:49, 1:02:09]: A view from the exterior to the property line of that business. There's some technical capabilities which we'll skip over for time's sake here. One of the things that their policy stipulates it has to be capable of exporting video. So there has to be a way in order to download that so that it's available for law enforcement. The video has to be in color footage, has to be provided upon request within 72 hours, and they have to maintain the video. [1:02:09, 1:02:17]: Maintained for a minimum of 30 days. And one of their requirements is they put signage up indicating that there's actually surveillance in progress there. [1:02:18, 1:02:38]: Um failure to comply with the requirement to provide video footage. There's a fine that they've assessed in their ordinance of five hundred dollars a day. There's a graduated fee schedule for noncompliance. Uh the business license can also be revoked if they're not in compliance with the standards that have been placed, and the authority is vested with the police department, as is the case with uh many of these. As it relates to [1:02:38, 1:02:58]: potential downsides. There are a lot of advantages that relates to camera policies, but some of the things that we've seen come up is one, the legal concern. There's been some argument in terms of uh perhaps circumvention of a warrant requirement mandating people to supply video footage. So that's something that we'd obviously have to get a legal opinion on in terms of [1:02:58, 1:03:18]: Of uh the legality of that if we decide to move forward. Uh there's also of concern the financial burden that it would place on uh businesses in order to implement this technology. That's a consideration uh that has to be taken into consideration. And then two, the regulatory complexity, meaning that if we institute this, we have to have a mechanism in place in order to be able to regulate that. So that means [1:03:18, 1:03:24]: means that we're gonna have to expand our capacity to be able to do so if it's something that we intend to implement. [1:03:24, 1:03:37]: Now, um this speaks specifically to surveillance cameras. The automated license plate reader flock, that's something a little bit different. Uh but Mr. Reed uh was sharing with me that the city of Bloomingdale [1:03:37, 1:03:57]: Um does have something in their building codes where they do require new businesses to implement the ALPR cameras there. Um it's on the business during the first year of development, however, it's something that the city of Bloomingdale absorbs in subsequent years. That does not have to be the case, that's just the arrangement that's been made there. And he may be able to speak a little more specifically to that. [1:03:57, 1:04:17]: But before I have Mr. Reed up to share with you some specific information, because I know Councilman Blount had some questions about the ALPR system that Mr. Reed may be able to speak to, I wanted to pause here for a moment to see if there were any questions from the council uh regarding this initiative and if there's anything further that you all would like to do in furtherance of this. [1:04:17, 1:04:22]: Yeah, thanks Chief. And I'll start this off here. I might have missed it, so f shame on me if I did. [1:04:22, 1:04:42]: What happens if you have businesses that already have cameras installed right now? All right. And and these cameras happen to be not of the tech uh the capability that you're at that you're kind of mentioning in some of these examples. They're not quite a high tech that to be use uh that would be really useful for us to help protect them in this aspect. Have we [1:04:42, 1:04:47]: thought about that or s or is or did I miss something here in reference how how do you want to deal with that? [1:04:47, 1:05:07]: We y we could. It it's entirely as you can see, there are different stipulations depending on the the city, so it's what we decide. Um there there's valid reasons for having specified requirements because if you have a system in place and it doesn't have good video quality or doesn't have the capability of exporting video, then it it's it's just something that's [1:05:07, 1:05:27]: Nice to have it's not really practically useful uh for purposes of investigation. It may serve at a turn effect. Um, we could, as DeCab County does, if uh businesses are currently not in compliance and they give them a period of time once they've identified that the cameras are out of compliance to come into compliance with the uh specifications they've listed there. And um uh [1:05:27, 1:05:31]: Once they show proof of compliance with that, then they would be eligible for the renewal of their business license. Okay. [1:05:32, 1:05:34]: Yes, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead, Mr. Blount. [1:05:34, 1:05:54]: Uh thank you for the uh presentation, uh Chief. Because we're talking about two different type cameras. Are we uh are we able to enter on both the flock and the surveillance um cameras at the same time? Or are we gonna wait on the flock and do that separately? Uh we certainly can. Uh Mr. Reed had a [1:05:54, 1:06:14]: very brief uh presentation, just kinda overview of what Flock was. But if you would rather he just address your questions, we certainly can do that. Let's wait for a second. Let's make sure that to see if there's another question from the council in reference specifically to what you said, Chief, before we go to Flock. Just make sure we cover cover that down first. You got to Well let me ask a question on that. Uh on on the surveillance and when we talk about businesses [1:06:14, 1:06:34]: Uh and I'm I'm the mayor kinda stole my thunder. I wish he had let me go first. But uh those are my concerns also because if systematically we inst we we require that for the businesses, um I think that we'll have time we we should look at some of the things in [1:06:34, 1:06:54]: maybe Mr. Garner can speak to it that maybe there's some businesses that aren't doing as well. And and you did talk about how businesses are it it would be a cost to them. Uh now I don't know what what the residual cost would be versus what the installation cost would be. Because a lot of times, you know, the up the up [1:06:54, 1:07:10]: Upfront cost is usually the greater cost than the residual cost. So do you is there any way you guys can know what the upfront costs and what the residual cost would kind of uh on average would be by looking at other other areas of per business? [1:07:11, 1:07:27]: Yeah, it would be difficult to to estimate that, I believe. Um the good thing is is that where we are now as a society that these systems are a lot more affordable than they were previously. And um I I think that they're relatively affordable, but it again it depends on [1:07:27, 1:07:30]: What stipulations we put in place, as was mentioned with the Cab County. [1:07:30, 1:07:35]: have a pretty robust ordinance so if you're a business and you're required to have cameras on the entry and exits [1:07:35, 1:07:43]: of both your parking lot and into the business and also on all points of sales, on your fuel tank. So if you're talking about a business like that. [1:07:43, 1:07:50]: that cost is obviously gonna be more expensive than if you have, um, you know, a mom and pop business and um [1:07:51, 1:07:51]: Uh [1:07:52, 1:08:03]: Generally if you have something like that, it probably wouldn't apply to the specific business, but more the shopping plaza to make sure that they have those things in place. So that's something that would have to be worked through with the management company as it relates to that. [1:08:03, 1:08:20]: Okay, well the last question on on um the surveillance camera. If if there's something that happens and we there's a system in place and st you know, strategically, why are we doing is seventy two hours the the the actual time that that's kinda crossed the board? [1:08:21, 1:08:26]: That's what we've seen through the ordinances that have been legislated. Um I'll tell you in [1:08:27, 1:08:29]: Uh Corporal Jordan, who's one of our [1:08:30, 1:08:32]: major crimes investigators to tell you is that [1:08:32, 1:08:40]: A lot of times businesses are not always cooperative in getting you the information uh that you need, and even in cases if we have a homicide someplace. [1:08:40, 1:08:47]: We are relying on them to give us that information. If they don't want to give us that information, the mechanism we have in place right now is we have to write a search warrant. [1:08:47, 1:08:53]: They have a D V R recorder that only keeps the video for seven days. By the time that we get a search warrant and get that information, [1:08:54, 1:09:14]: That could be lost, and so we're losing valuable evidence by virtue of some of the challenges we have. There are other businesses that are more cooperative than others, but I think the 72 hours is a good time frame. It allows the business owner to be able to come in because a lot of times what we find is not everybody at the business is familiar with how to operate the system. So there's only a couple of trained folks, so it does take [1:09:13, 1:09:18]: [4159.3, 4172.0]: defined window, I think it's a good place to start. It's something that we could potentially expand if we do decide that we want to legislate that. But um that's that's what we've seen in looking at the case studies that we've explored so far. [1:09:32, 1:09:52]: Okay. I'm fine. Mr. Alexander, you have some questions, sir? Yeah, I just want to say I thank you for the presentation. I certainly concur and lean toward more toward the the the the comprehensive model and then the one uh that you showed us for Houston has specified the video specs of ten eighty, which is the clarity on what you would need. [1:09:52, 1:10:12]: Not necessarily certainly not the brand, but the clarity. I think you made a point in your previous presentation about businesses that were deemed nuisances or businesses where we had people who were being repeatedly victimized at those locations, those would be the monitored businesses, correct? [1:10:12, 1:10:25]: So if if we legislate that we could like with the Cab County say that if you've had this many calls for service over a defined period of time, you could be uh a a business that has to be a monitored business. Now one of the things that they do have in place [1:10:25, 1:10:28]: is a mechanism that if these businesses actually [1:10:28, 1:10:34]: improve their practices, install lighting, clean up their business, don't allow these things to happen and over a period of time. [1:10:34, 1:10:51]: their call goes down, then um it would not then require them to uh it it you know adhere to those uh stipulations. And I would say to that is that that would be for existing businesses. But in my my judgment, I would say all new development [1:10:52, 1:11:12]: would be required to do the more comprehensive. The people who have already been existing and they would have to upgrade to uh what that standard was and be complied if they had were causing nuisances. But any new business or new development going forward, it would seem as though that would be part of the startup package for the business that they would install the [1:11:12, 1:11:32]: cameras uh for safety because you know even though a business has not been a problem or has not been a problem, something can always happen. And it always happens, especially with us being along the interstate. You know, these criminals, they pop in off the interstate, make something happen, and then they disappear, we don't have any evidence of that. [1:11:32, 1:11:52]: But if we had the cameras at these stations, particularly I think you pointed out Highway 138, that area. Or we had some issues, certainly I would be looking uh leaning toward doing that uh for existing businesses with the monitoring, but certainly uh with all new development. That's that that kind of. [1:11:51, 1:12:05]: It's kinda gonna be up to us how to proceed at this point, yeah. It it is. So this is a presentation. If the council elects to move forward with this, we would then work to actually write up a draft ordinance that we could present to council and [1:12:05, 1:12:25]: Get some feedback from you all in terms of what we decide to do moving forward. Well, the the uh last question that I have is you stated some statistics that show that these cameras do actually reduce the incidences of crime. So having a citywide camera network certainly would enhance our ability to keep the community safe. [1:12:25, 1:12:26]: Safe, correct? [1:12:26, 1:12:27]: Yes. [1:12:28, 1:12:28]: Thank you. [1:12:28, 1:12:48]: Ms. Gann, go ahead, please. Thank you. Uh I just wanted to make sure I got this right. You you did mention maybe not every single business, but like let's say it's in a shopping plaza, um, for instance, new development, that maybe we should consider that as a requirement. I'm wondering i I just [1:12:48, 1:13:08]: want to make sure for clarity purposes that you think uh well I guess I I should ask do you think that it's necessary for each business to have a flat camera or is it for a big shopping plaza and what cameras we already have like [1:13:08, 1:13:28]: like what cameras are funded through the city already on the main, you know, intersections and roads. And then we require those larger shopping plazas to do so. My concern is mom and pops can't uh be nickel dime for every single little thing that would, you know, sells and used to be. [1:13:28, 1:13:48]: tax and everything else that they have to pay for right now um is extremely expensive. So what is it what would be advantageous would be enough cameras, so to speak, would be re within reason. Right. And let me clarify, I wasn't saying that every business in the city this would be a requirement. Um I I think that would be [1:13:48, 1:13:49]: Um [1:13:50, 1:13:51]: Perhaps too much. [1:13:51, 1:13:58]: The thing that we really need to look at is where's crime occurring at, where are we having these issues at? Where where are our highest calls for service? [1:13:59, 1:14:19]: And uh those those locations we would require that they install the uh camera systems as a crime reduction measure there. And I want to say, uh, Cam will talk here in just a moment. There's a difference between the surveillance cameras and the flock cameras. They're two entirely separate things, two different systems there. What we're talking about is surveillance cameras, which means that you have to have a high quality camera. [1:14:18, 1:14:35]: To record your business, the people coming in and out of your business, your parking lot, things along those lines if you have a business that's deemed to be a nuisance business or a high crime business. Doesn't apply to every. As it relates to what uh Councilman Alexander was saying with new developments. [1:14:36, 1:14:41]: It's something that you could legislate that all new developments and that would be contention on the property. [1:14:41, 1:14:51]: owners. So in these shopping plazas we know that it's largely a management company that owns that. You can make that requirement on them to implement those systems within their uh um uh new developments. [1:14:52, 1:14:52]: Thank you. [1:14:53, 1:14:55]: Yeah, questions, council? [1:14:56, 1:14:57]: Yeah, you got another question, sir? Real quick. [1:14:58, 1:15:18]: So if you did new developments that that uh residual amount would come out of either under the management or under the HOA, is that what you're saying? That's correct. From what we've gathered and I was talking to Cam about this and and um he can speak to that he's not familiar with but he's gonna check with his uh colleagues. As it relates to [1:15:18, 1:15:18]: Um [1:15:20, 1:15:40]: Residential communities that don't have a homeowners association, it's difficult to have as a standard for them to implement that because there's not a mechanism in place in order to uh pay the recurring fees. So unless that was something like if it and I'm not sure there are many neighborhoods now that are developing that don't have some sort of covenants or bylaws or some sort of loose association, but for those that don't. [1:15:40, 1:15:59]: And if we were to implement that, there's not a mechanism in place to be able to um collect that recurring fee, the maintenance costs associated with those systems. And that would be something we'd have to decide if they wanted to pay for the initial installation. Will we do like Bloomingdale and some of the other cities that will actually pay the subsequent years costs associated with those systems? [1:15:59, 1:16:06]: Yeah, but just fall remember we talked one time and I don't know if that can happen. Maybe m Mr. Garner can investigate that. [1:16:07, 1:16:10]: If you got a development that comes in with fifty units, I'm just throwing a number out. [1:16:11, 1:16:15]: And they in their rental unit they don't have a management or HOA. [1:16:15, 1:16:20]: We talked about those installations still being put in place by the developer. [1:16:20, 1:16:37]: But the residual cost is on those units, not on those units that would be on whatever bill, however we do that. Uh there's a way of doing it. I just don't know how you how you formulate that. Yeah, that that would be as I understand that'd be something that [1:16:37, 1:16:43]: those homeowners in those areas would have to agree to, they'd have to establish some sort of fund to be able to pay for that. [1:16:43, 1:16:49]: 'Cause there would really be no enforcement mechanism. So the developer you can hold them accountable for installing it and paying for the initial installation. [1:16:49, 1:16:54]: But now when it comes to annual uh fees that have to be paid to keep the system working. [1:16:54, 1:17:03]: It's like who do we who do we go after to collect those funds? And if there's not a collective like an HOA or there's something in place, it's gonna be difficult for us to regulate and hold. [1:17:03, 1:17:10]: fifty different people accountable for making sure that that system is well it wouldn't be fifty and I'm sorry if it makes it sound like that. [1:17:10, 1:17:12]: If everybody has to pay their rent. [1:17:13, 1:17:15]: That's just a part of your rent. [1:17:17, 1:17:31]: And then we get whoever they're paying their rent to, that's that's the payment that comes to the city. Yeah. I'm not sure how we I I don't know what we could do with that. That would probably be a question uh better addressed by Mr. Washington from a legal standpoint. Okay. [1:17:32, 1:17:52]: Are another question for uh Chief Tramor um on his particular presentation? If not, is my assumption that you're looking for us to give you an okay to go forward with developing of ordinance right now for us to receive before you do that, for us to receive it, kinda think about it further and kind of tweak that. But if you do have specific questions, I know we talked [1:17:52, 1:18:05]: a lot about flock. We do have Mr. Reed here who's the area representative. Uh if there's anything that you would like to know or anything from the He's he's coming next, but I just want to know if make sure that we are covering your Pacific on surveillance cameras, what you're asking us to do. [1:18:05, 1:18:10]: Yes, but I think we should look at this holistically because there are not many communities that are actually [1:18:10, 1:18:17]: Incorporating ALPR, which is automated license plate reader systems, within this. So we could legislate both. [1:18:17, 1:18:31]: ALPR and uh surveillance cameras within this policy to have a more comprehensive network of uh security technology. All right, all right, Chief, no problem. Please, sir, c come on and give a presentation, please. Thank you. [1:18:34, 1:18:36]: I appreciate y'all having me. Sure, no problem. [1:18:49, 1:18:50]: Yeah, there you go. [1:18:54, 1:18:55]: All right. [1:18:55, 1:19:00]: So my name is Cam Reed. I'm the territory sales manager for flock safety. [1:19:01, 1:19:07]: And I came up here to talk to you guys about some of the uh the options that we have available to the city. [1:19:08, 1:19:26]: So at Flock, our mission is uh to eliminate crime together. And what I mean by together is not just with the police department, but with the city, with commercial businesses, with HOAs, with school systems, the entire community to make uh crime go away, right? To make a a safer community. [1:19:28, 1:19:48]: So everybody knows that you know crime just keeps increasing year after year after year. I'm sure you're no stranger to that. And I'm gonna the chief told me I got about five minutes, so I'm gonna try to zip through this if you guys so we can get to questions. So if you guys have any, uh don't be afraid to just speak out. So ALPR techno technology, uh automated license plate rate. [1:19:48, 1:20:00]: What Flock Safety does a little bit different than other systems out there is we do what we call the vehicle fingerprint ID. It's looking for a vehicle going in front of that camera and snapping an image of it. [1:20:00, 1:20:03]: And then analyzing that image or decoding that image. [1:20:04, 1:20:06]: uh to pass that information on to law enforcement. [1:20:06, 1:20:08]: So it's not just looking for a license plate. [1:20:09, 1:20:17]: Because as the chief and all the officers can tell you, I'm sure, not everybody rides around robbing stores with their license plate on their car, right? [1:20:17, 1:20:32]: So if there's no license plate on it and that's all it's looking for, it's it's really doing you no good. So it's looking at the entire vehicle. So we can see the year, make, model, color. It can see some identifying features about the vehicle to aid law enforcement in finding that perpetrator. [1:20:34, 1:20:34]: Yeah. [1:20:35, 1:20:35]: Uh [1:20:36, 1:20:56]: How does ALPR help you prevent prevent crime? Uh number one, it's proactive. So the list from the Georgia Crime Information Center of stolen vehicles, wanted people, all of that is updated uh four times a day into the system so officers would get an alert as a suspect comes into uh, say, the city limits in a stolen. [1:20:56, 1:21:05]: vehicle. They would be alerted to that. It'll also help the investigators to investigate crimes and look for suspect vehicles with the system as well. [1:21:09, 1:21:29]: We're really big about protecting privacy. I'm sure if you've done any research on ALPR systems out there, a lot of them sell the data, a lot of them keep the data for several years or unlimited amount. Uh at Flock, we do not do that. We have a 30-day retention policy. Uh nothing stored more than 30 days because past that it's really kind of a [1:21:29, 1:21:39]: cold lead for an investigator to follow up on. Uh so thirty days is is usually s uh good enough to provide information, actionable evidence for an investigation. [1:21:40, 1:21:50]: Uh we don't do any facial recognition with our camera systems. That's a big uh misunderstanding with a lot of systems that are out there that they do uh facial recognition. We do not. [1:21:52, 1:22:12]: We're very transparent. Uh officers can't just go into the system and search for uh the mayor pro tems tag to see where she's been. They have to have a reason. It's auditable. So when an officer goes in to look for a vehicle or a specific tag, they have to enter a reason. Uh and you can download that audit and print it out. [1:22:12, 1:22:20]: out for public consumption if you want. Or the chief or the internal affairs division can use that to make sure that offers aren't misused in the system. [1:22:21, 1:22:31]: Uh one example of how powerful this technology is. I don't know if you all remember this, it was from two thousand twenty, uh in August actually, the end of August. [1:22:31, 1:22:40]: Uh a young mother was pushing her child down the sidewalk in a stroller and another couple that was riding around looking to kidnap a a child. [1:22:41, 1:22:47]: saw her, got out of the vehicle, pulled a gun on her, and wrestled the kid away from her and took off. [1:22:47, 1:22:53]: They had taken the tag off of their vehicle, so all that the mother knew was it was a red Acura MDX. [1:22:54, 1:23:00]: So this happened in the city of Chambly. The Chambly Police Department has cameras all up around the city. [1:23:00, 1:23:01]: As well as the Cab County and Gwinnett. [1:23:02, 1:23:04]: So they started searching through the system. [1:23:04, 1:23:05]: And they were able to locate [1:23:06, 1:23:11]: As you can imagine in Metro Atlanta, a thousand red accurate MDXs from that day. [1:23:11, 1:23:31]: Uh so with our technology, the vehicle fingerprint ID, the mother remembered that the left front wheel was different than the other three wheels. So that gave them something to look for in these thousands of ACURAs. So they found an image of that vehicle with a different left front wheel. She said, yes, that's it. So they searched back to the system for that. [1:23:31, 1:23:32]: Yeah. [1:23:32, 1:23:37]: And they were able to locate another image from another camera from an hour before. [1:23:37, 1:23:42]: That actually still had the tag on it before they took the tag off and went and kidnapped the child. [1:23:42, 1:23:53]: So they searched that tag, found out in Carrollton that that vehicle frequented it at that area west of Atlanta. As they were staging to go set up and go serve a search one on the house, uh [1:23:54, 1:24:04]: The assistant chief was actually from Chambly was turning into the cul-de-sac where law enforcement was gathering to go serve the search warrant. And guess who's in front of him? The Red Accura MDX. [1:24:05, 1:24:14]: So long story short, law enforcement at the cul-de-sac, law enforcement coming into the road, they were able to get that child and get her back get the child back in the mother's arms within five and a half hours. [1:24:15, 1:24:26]: Well I'm sure you can imagine what a needle in a stack of needles that would have been just looking for a red accurate MDX. Mother probably would have never seen that child again. So it's very powerful technology. [1:24:27, 1:24:31]: And I've got a lot of another examples that are in here. [1:24:32, 1:24:33]: I'll skip through them for time's sake. [1:24:34, 1:24:44]: So in addition to the license plate recognition cameras, we also do remote surveillance cameras, either a bullet camera that's focused on a specific problem area like a park. [1:24:45, 1:24:48]: or a pan tilt zoom camera, which is really good in a business area. [1:24:48, 1:24:51]: So that officers or dispatchers can log into it. [1:24:51, 1:24:54]: And be able to view what's going on around that system. [1:24:55, 1:24:58]: Uh we also have what we call the Raven, it's a audio detection unit. [1:24:58, 1:25:16]: uh gunshot detection unit that can alert officers uh for gunshots in the area and narrow it down to within ninety feet of where that shot occurred. Those can be used in uh conjunction with the other cameras that are around to kind of get eyes on the scene uh and help law enforcement as they even respond. [1:25:18, 1:25:38]: So I know we're probably running up to five minutes. So do you do you all have any questions specific to AOPR or surveillance? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I I have my first one. But the gunshot uh aspect, it's not like an uh an antenna or something that some type of sound barrier that picks this up and directs it. How does that work? Yeah, it's just collecting uh audio sounds. [1:25:38, 1:25:56]: sound so uh it uses machine learning to know what's a vehicle backfire what's a firework uh so it weeds all those things out it's looking for the specific sound of a hypersonic bullet basically so it's listening for that sound it records it uh [1:25:56, 1:26:02]: The way that we deploy that is kind of in half uh quarter, half or full square mile areas. [1:26:02, 1:26:22]: And we set up a number of units that triangulate the position of where that shot came from. So that makes sense based on the time that it took to get to that camera compared or to that audio detection unit compared to another one that hurt it and another one that hurt it, it can pinpoint where that shot came from. And when you employ these, is it you you put them on to uh [1:26:22, 1:26:32]: Televis uh poles, so electron electronic poles or how do you or lights or how do you put'em? Power poles or uh typically that's that's where we would mount'em is on a power pole. [1:26:32, 1:26:52]: Okay. And we need p official permission to do that, I would imagine. On like on a on power poles, I believe. We can install them on our own poles as well, but it's we can mount it to just about anything. Okay. All right. Where a lot of the other systems out there that uh kind of our competitors have they have to be mounted really high up on a building, we don't require that. All right. [1:26:52, 1:26:54]: Mrs. Blount, sir, go ahead, please. [1:26:54, 1:26:59]: I've been asking about these flock cameras for a long time. I just wanna know when can we get'em. Um [1:27:00, 1:27:20]: The uh question I was asked to ask, which I also want to know, is that when you got a community with two interests, which is two X's, and you want two install, what what type of what what is cost again, what is the ballpark figure for [1:27:20, 1:27:28]: for that cost for that residence and what would they be looking at residually to sustain that camera system. [1:27:28, 1:27:48]: So our units uh we call it safety as a service. Uh you're basically paying for the installation of the unit and then the annual recurring cost of keeping that unit and being able to monitor. So w for example, with law enforcement, it's three thousand dollars a camera. The installation is six hundred and fifty dollars unless the city has their own pole that [1:27:48, 1:27:54]: we that you want to mount it on, then we can kind of offer you a reduced price because we're not using our pole, if that makes sense. [1:27:55, 1:28:07]: For the HOA and I'm sorry I don't I don't really handle the HOAs. We have different account or different account managers that deal with HOAs and commercial properties. I think they're around thirty five hundred dollars and the same for installation. [1:28:09, 1:28:11]: And that would be per camera annually. [1:28:11, 1:28:19]: Uh the installation and per camera per camera and install. Now when you say thirty five hundred, are you talking about but is that the residual cost? [1:28:19, 1:28:24]: Yes, that's the cost of the camera. And where that's a big advantage of uh [1:28:24, 1:28:44]: Most law enforcement agencies that purchased ALPR technology in the past, they were required to buy the unit up front. And those were twenty to thirty thousand dollars apiece. They were usually mounted on a vehicle, uh which is great if you're riding through the parking lot of a commercial business or a mall parking lot. Uh you can pick up a lot of different stolen. [1:28:44, 1:28:54]: tags and things of that nature. We kind of take a different approach. We don't need the infrastructure that those needed with direct power to them. We run off of a solar panel. [1:28:54, 1:29:09]: uh and they don't need internet capabilities plugged into the unit like the older ALPR systems. Ours work off of a SIM card, so we can put'em up anywhere uh as long as it's getting a little bit of sunlight to recharge the batteries. Uh so it's really easy to mount. [1:29:10, 1:29:14]: Yeah, but we're looking at three costs. What I'm saying is that we're looking at the cost of the camera. [1:29:14, 1:29:34]: Cost for installation. What is the residual cost? With us, you're not purchasing the camera, you're just purchasing that year for year of service. Does that make sense? So the year of service is thirty five hundred per year and six fifty. For an HOS, gotcha. Right, right. Gotcha. So it's thirty five hundred every year. If it breaks, we come out and fix it. Uh you know. [1:29:34, 1:29:46]: You know, we usually know there's an issue because we monitor those cameras on a regular basis before the department or the HOA knows. But yeah, that includes maintenance, it includes all the user fees to access the data, everything. [1:29:47, 1:30:07]: Uh and and I found that that i if you can find anything under five thousand dollars for what this camera does and for where you're doing it, th th because the prices like you just said, those prices are astronomical. Yes. They really are. Which is how flight came to be. Uh our owner at a few intern autos [1:30:06, 1:30:17]: in his neighborhood and was referred by Atlanta PD to go out and get some ALPR cameras. It was gonna cost him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to cover the seven entrances to his neighborhood. [1:30:18, 1:30:21]: And that was buying equipment up front and then having to maintain it so [1:30:22, 1:30:27]: If you purchase it and in six months the unit goes down because of moisture or whatever else. [1:30:27, 1:30:29]: That's on you to fix it, right? If you own the camera. [1:30:30, 1:30:32]: With us, it's on us to fix it. [1:30:32, 1:30:52]: Well the thing that I also like about it is that if a stolen vehicle comes in your c in your neighborhood, it alerts the it alerts P D that there's a stolen vehicle that had just entered into your community. That's correct. So it's a lot that uh it's a lot that that's it's a lot that that camera does and that's pretty good. I appreciate it. And like the chief said [1:30:52, 1:31:03]: Just Henry County PD has a hundred ALPR units. They've got about 20 square miles of the gunshot detection that's in the works, Locust Grove, uh McDonough. [1:31:03, 1:31:16]: You know, it just about every community and county around you has them as well. So that's another good thing with our system is we have almost 8,000 cameras across Georgia and more than forty eight thousand across the country. [1:31:17, 1:31:25]: Uh so with the city of Stockbridge purchasing, say 15, you don't just get access to 15 cameras, right? You get access to the entire network. [1:31:25, 1:31:38]: So when you're going to look for somebody that may have come here and committed a murder, you don't you're not just looking in Stockbridge or just in Henry County. You're looking in the state of Georgia, Alabama, all the way to California if if that's what you need. [1:31:39, 1:31:40]: That's it. [1:31:40, 1:32:00]: Any questions this side? Go ahead, please. This to comment certainly I'm in full support of moving forward with this in in line with what I spoke earlier, which is all new development being required to uh have the flock cameras at the entrance and then uh uh whatever it's necessary to talk with. [1:32:00, 1:32:15]: with getting the existing subdivision as an opportunity to do that, because certainly this is with the growth and everything coming to the community. Talk about the crime statistics that you may have access to before and after the flock cameras. [1:32:18, 1:32:29]: You had something here just a minute ago, didn't you, with uh uh Murphy, Tennessee? Yeah. I've got to do it. Or a subdivision or or or or a neighborhood per se. This is actually Cobb County stats. [1:32:31, 1:32:32]: I don't know if you can see those. [1:32:33, 1:32:38]: So in precinct two, thirty-five percent reduction in enter and autos and a forty percent reduction in robbery. [1:32:39, 1:32:59]: Uh in the 215 beat a 64% reduction in internados and a 63% reduction in non-residential burglaries. And you can see the other stats there. It it works. If you remember the the shooter from the children's hospital downtown just a couple of months ago, that shooter was caught. [1:32:59, 1:33:10]: in Cobb County with flock cameras. Okay. So and a number of other devices. I can't take a hundred percent credit for that, but we were a part of it. Good deal. Any other questions? No. [1:33:11, 1:33:25]: Okay. So I guess we're good with questions. So I would imagine once again back to my original comment, I would imagine you just needed a um a direction there, Chief, in reference to establishing this ordinance and bringing it back to us for further discussion and approval. [1:33:25, 1:33:33]: That's correct, sir. All right. So on that note I I assume that uh I I guess the motion's in order to to give'em guidance on that or the magic? [1:33:33, 1:33:49]: Uh I would think s uh have the chief put together a best practice recommendation and bring it back to the council. That would be my motion. Okay. All right. Been second by Mr. Blount. All in favor, please indicate. All right. There you have a Chief the United States. All right. Go forth and conquer, sir. Thank you. All right. [1:33:51, 1:34:11]: All right. We've got unfinished business. Council consideration to approve the ordinance for the hiring or appointment of a deputy city clerk. Option one, hired by the city clerk. Option two, appointed by the city council, presented by says uh Renee Wheeler and Mr. Washington. But the mayor, I did ask that we might consider discussing this uh and call the executive [1:34:11, 1:34:23]: session instead of having the discussion out here. Okay, you did. And so if that is the if that's the desired council to agree to that. Yes sir. Point of order. What's your point of order, sir? [1:34:23, 1:34:25]: Uh this is not [1:34:26, 1:34:28]: And executive session items. [1:34:29, 1:34:32]: Um this is not personnel. There's no candidate. [1:34:33, 1:34:37]: So it it does not meet the threshold of executive session. All right. [1:34:38, 1:34:42]: That's uh Mr. Washington, you're at the podi at the podium now. [1:34:48, 1:34:50]: [5690.0, 5710.0]: Um you all's direction was I prepared and I prepared an ordinance which would appoint, which would allow the city clerk to be an appointed deputy clerk. That was the request that came to me. The other request was to look at whether or not there had been some history of you all doing the appointment, of which there was. [1:35:09, 1:35:29]: And you all got that brief email from me. What I want to say was that ultimately it's your decision as to what you all want to do. The clerk has presented evidence that how it's done in the majority of cities around the state, where the clerk appoints the deputy city clerk. And in but in Stockbridge, you all have been appointed. [1:35:29, 1:35:31]: Morning, the Deputy City Clerk. [1:35:31, 1:35:33]: But however that is not [1:35:33, 1:35:41]: As you know, that is not in any ordinance, that is not in any resolution. So you all are not bound by what has previously happened. [1:35:41, 1:35:45]: It's totally your t can call as to what you want to do, but [1:35:45, 1:35:48]: Even in the emails that we got from Council McGantt. [1:35:48, 1:35:56]: back early ninety-six that we at least had record of and twenty fourteen that I told you about that you all had been appointing the [1:35:57, 1:36:11]: Deputy City Clerk. And so I just want you all to have a memo. That's a that's a proposed ordinance, which the clerk will then appoint the deputy city clerk. However, it is up to you all to make the decision about what you all want to do. But if you all do not [1:36:12, 1:36:24]: do an ordinance with this, then it would be come and Mr. Gardner can speak about this, it would become a hire that would go through the normal hiring process. [1:36:25, 1:36:30]: Mayor. If I may. Yes, you could. Go ahead. [1:36:30, 1:36:35]: So I submitted to this mayor and council a request to hire. [1:36:36, 1:36:40]: the deputy city clerk, as is done. [1:36:40, 1:36:50]: by all clerks in the state of Georgia. I polled all 500 cities, plus 500 plus cities in the state of Georgia. [1:36:51, 1:37:00]: And not one response was returned where the deputy city clerk was appointed by the mayor and council. [1:37:01, 1:37:08]: All of the responses that were received and submitted to this mayor and council was a hire by the city clerk. [1:37:09, 1:37:14]: And supervised by the city clerk that was submitted to you all. [1:37:15, 1:37:32]: I had conversations with GMA, I rem relayed that information to you all that it's not best practice for the deputy city clerk to be appointed by the city clerk. Point of order. [1:37:32, 1:37:34]: The point of order is the presentation. [1:37:35, 1:37:45]: It's by Renee Wheeler and Quent uh Quentin. To have the the c city clerk to come forth on the decision we have to make whether we're gonna [1:37:45, 1:37:49]: Let the hiring continue the way it's been for years or to go into another. [1:37:50, 1:37:50]: We don't do. [1:37:51, 1:38:02]: It's it's not appropriate to have the city clerk to come up here to solidify a position that she wants versus allowing this council to go ahead and vote on what we're going to do. [1:38:03, 1:38:08]: May I may have finished it? So I I I would I would ask this council [1:38:08, 1:38:10]: That we're you know, because [1:38:12, 1:38:15]: If anyone, whether it's this situation or any situation [1:38:16, 1:38:19]: We can't have any staff member. [1:38:20, 1:38:30]: putting anything out before a decision is made by this council that would make it look like this council is moving somewhere illegally or legally not able to do what we're doing. [1:38:30, 1:38:36]: This has been done the way it's been done, has been done even all the way back to nineteen forty three. [1:38:37, 1:38:42]: So to have the city clerk to come up here and to now do a presentation [1:38:43, 1:39:03]: That puts us in a position that what if we make a decision that's not inconducible to what she's presenting, it gives a perception that's greater than the truth. The truth is, right now, this council has two options in front of it. And either one of those options has to be adhered to without all of this right here coming before. [1:39:03, 1:39:07]: before us right now that could could put a facide in front of [1:39:07, 1:39:27]: everyone that the perception is that we're doing something that we're not able to do. Mayor Ford, if I may finish May every document, everything that I just recited Vanessa, hold on for a second public record. Okay, hold on Vanessa please. Okay, so understand. All right. Um st one second please. Ms. Gad? Thank you. [1:39:27, 1:39:32]: I just think that we should do this in executive session. I do think it's a personnel matter. [1:39:32, 1:39:48]: Um, just even based off of some of the things that Miss Holliday is stating as of right now, I think that those are some of the issues that we should discuss um behind closed doors. And I I think that it's a careful it's a line there. [1:39:48, 1:39:49]: It's a fine line. [1:39:50, 1:40:10]: And I think it can go over that f that line. We're either gonna let Mrs. Wheeler and Mr. Washington present in a particular manner, or we're gonna hear from Ms. Holliday on her responses to why she feels in this particular way. And I think that it is a personal. [1:40:10, 1:40:30]: personnel I think it's I think it's a personnel matter. I think it should be disclosed. You said it was not. I think it should be discussed as a personnel matter. You said it was not. Okay. Oh hold on folks, hold on please. Currently we do not have a deputy city clerk as of August 31st. The position is vacant. So if you all are speaking about [1:40:30, 1:40:50]: The position, the terms, the appointment, that is a policy matter which would be done out here. In public. But if you all are discussing people and applications and things of that nature, then that is executive session. But because you do not currently have the the conversation was different from the last council. [1:40:50, 1:41:10]: Meeting than it is this council meeting. The last council meeting would be it could easily be into talking about the deputy city clerk and what happened to the deputy city clerk in 2014 because of the same deputy city clerk who's working for the city. That position is vacant now. And so if you're looking at a restructure or anything of that nature, then that would be a policy decision and not a personnel. [1:41:09, 1:41:18]: Decision that you all be able to do up here. However, if it is conversations about individual employees, then that is a personnel matter. [1:41:18, 1:41:38]: Correct. I think it's a combination of both. No, it's not. Okay. I and I I I that's my opinion, but that's to be safe, I just think that, you know, in light of things, I just I really wanted to talk about this behind closed doors. And I [1:41:38, 1:41:54]: I thought that maybe it was a personnel issue. That's just me. But what the hope is because it's fleshed out in an ordinance. If you all choose to have an ordinance, the discussion could be around the ordinance and either it's adoption or it's non-adoption or either it's amendment. [1:41:55, 1:42:02]: And the amendments that you want to put in the ordinance if you want to do amendments. So that way it can be confined to a policy session. [1:42:03, 1:42:23]: Okay. And I also well go ahead, go ahead. Go ahead and come. Well no, I'll let Miss Holiday or whomever else is gonna speak Mr. Thomas speak. But I I did look at some other uh um information. I I saw the information Miss Holliday gave me, but I of course looked at other cities as well and the way they handle things. [1:42:23, 1:42:41]: So everyone in the state of Georgia doesn't do it that way. We all know that things are done differently across the board. I appreciate the ones that did respond, but there are like several different options there. So I d there's some things that right we would really need to discuss and [1:42:43, 1:42:56]: We can uh so be it. But just so everybody knows, if the ordinance is not voted on, then since nothing has happened, it would go back to what is happening. It would it well, here's to clarify what should happen. [1:42:56, 1:43:00]: If you all decide not to vote on the ordinance, if you vote to [1:43:01, 1:43:04]: Prove it, that's one thing. If you vote to deny it, it's another. [1:43:04, 1:43:11]: Now if you want to still go to the question of what happens after that and council wants to do a resolution. [1:43:12, 1:43:13]: And that's something separate. [1:43:13, 1:43:20]: But otherwise it would then if you all did not adopt the ordinance, the status quo would be [1:43:21, 1:43:27]: Because there's no ordinance on this, I want to be very clear. Because there's no ordinance or resolution on it, it would be a regular hire. [1:43:29, 1:43:32]: But because you all have been doing in the past a pointing [1:43:32, 1:43:37]: Right. Successive councils are not bound by previous councils. [1:43:37, 1:43:40]: So that would not be if you all did not appoint [1:43:41, 1:43:43]: It would go through the regular hiring process. [1:43:44, 1:43:59]: That the city would have for other employees. So I just want to be clear that if you want to answer the question of what are we gonna do by the deputy city clerk, if you do not want it to go through the normal process, there would need to be an affirmative statement from counsel, either by ordinance or resolution. [1:43:59, 1:44:05]: Mr. Thomas. Thank you, Mayor. First let me say that [1:44:05, 1:44:09]: The rules for executive sessions [1:44:10, 1:44:11]: A very clear. [1:44:12, 1:44:13]: Very clear. [1:44:13, 1:44:19]: And this is not an executive session item number one. [1:44:20, 1:44:21]: Number two. [1:44:22, 1:44:28]: Under the umbrella of the municipal government here the city of Stockbridge. [1:44:29, 1:44:30]: Oh [1:44:31, 1:44:33]: And let me emphasize [1:44:33, 1:44:34]: Oh. [1:44:35, 1:44:37]: Excuse me. [1:44:38, 1:44:39]: Oh [1:44:39, 1:44:41]: Department heads and directors. [1:44:42, 1:44:44]: Had the authority [1:44:45, 1:44:46]: Two [1:44:47, 1:44:47]: Hell. [1:44:48, 1:44:49]: Within [1:44:49, 1:44:50]: There [1:44:50, 1:44:51]: department. [1:44:52, 1:44:54]: Here at the city of Startbridge, the [1:44:54, 1:44:56]: Every department head [1:44:57, 1:45:00]: has the ability and the authority. [1:45:00, 1:45:01]: To her. [1:45:03, 1:45:09]: My goal and desire, just speaking on this, is to bring this in [1:45:09, 1:45:14]: Conformity with what we do here at the city of Starkbridge. [1:45:16, 1:45:17]: Also [1:45:18, 1:45:19]: The risearch [1:45:20, 1:45:23]: shows that [1:45:24, 1:45:26]: The city of Stone Crest. [1:45:27, 1:45:29]: Peace City. [1:45:30, 1:45:31]: Brookhaven. [1:45:31, 1:45:33]: The city of Villaricker. [1:45:34, 1:45:35]: Southon. [1:45:36, 1:45:38]: Douglasville, East Point. [1:45:38, 1:45:40]: The city of Roswell. [1:45:40, 1:45:42]: College Paul. [1:45:42, 1:45:43]: The city of Atlanta. [1:45:43, 1:45:45]: The city of Tucker. [1:45:47, 1:45:49]: All of these municipalities. [1:45:50, 1:45:52]: The city clerk. [1:45:53, 1:45:55]: has that authority. [1:45:57, 1:46:00]: And it sorta just behooves me why [1:46:03, 1:46:04]: In the city of Stockbridge. [1:46:05, 1:46:12]: We should be in the difference. But even if we just focus on what we do here at the city of Stargrid, as I stated before. [1:46:13, 1:46:15]: Every department head [1:46:15, 1:46:17]: Have that authority. [1:46:19, 1:46:22]: So why would we single out one department? [1:46:23, 1:46:27]: And not have the same protocol. [1:46:28, 1:46:31]: And I would just wish somebody would explain that to me. [1:46:32, 1:46:52]: Yeah, I I yield back. Okay, thank you. On this note, I would I would re my recommendation to the council is that we do not need an ordinance for this particular action. Or no ordinance is needed, and which which means by default, if you don't have an ordinance, it means by default that uh by what I what I understand, what I've understand here is that the the position of W City Clerk would be a higher [1:46:52, 1:47:07]: in this aspect. So that's my thoughts and that's my recommendation. And I don't know if there are any other comments or how we can go forward and uh move on or with this. Yes sir. I move to approve option one. [1:47:09, 1:47:11]: Okay. Hired by the city clerk. [1:47:12, 1:47:13]: Is there a second to that motion? [1:47:14, 1:47:20]: Uh that's uh Miss Barber's second? Discussion. Okay, one second. That's Miss Clarify. [1:47:20, 1:47:33]: Option one says the uh it says here Hired by the city clerk. Hired yeah, the the appointment uh then Hired by the City Clerk. Yeah, hired by a city clerk. That's right. That position will be hired by the city clerk. That's option one. It's been secondary. I think Miss Barber, you said [1:47:35, 1:47:35]: No, d [1:47:36, 1:47:55]: No, uh well sorry about the city clerk, you wouldn't need an order. I would say you didn't need to. I think the mayor misquoted you. What m I misquoted what now? You misquoted mister because my understanding you said it's not in the orders, it c that it could be done simply by a resolution, but it wouldn't be binding another counsel that comes in. [1:47:57, 1:48:17]: Okay. Mayor. You're presenting an ordinance to us. Got you. May Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. I'm sorry. Um there's a motion on the table. Right. Discussion. Once it we'll get discussed. Go ahead. Go ahead, Mr. C. And I indicated option two, hire by the city clerk. Got it. And then and second is motion motion was seconded by believer. [1:48:17, 1:48:19]: [6499.8, 6513.8]: Okay, all right, all right. Now discussion. I've made it very clear. I will not vote for this without an executive session. All right, fine. Okay. This is how it is. Okay. Okay. We can talk about it. Okay, fine. But I cannot. Okay, that's fine. [1:48:34, 1:48:54]: Yes, Mayor. Mayor, um section fourteen point three of College Park says that the Deputy City Clerk appointment, um, the governing body may appoint a deputy city clerk to function as a city clerk in the absence of the city clerk due to illness, leave, vacancy, or other period of absence. I am looking at a couple of them that actually state that [1:48:56, 1:49:11]: I know what you sent me on the email, Miss Holliday. You also sent to me that we were the only ones that appointed in twenty fourteen. But as you see, in nineteen forty three we've been doing this. We actually did in nineteen thirty something. [1:49:12, 1:49:14]: Two thousand, two thousand two. [1:49:14, 1:49:21]: Two thousand six. Um I mean I'm looking here at the different appointments and now [1:49:21, 1:49:23]: I'm cross referencing. [1:49:24, 1:49:30]: some of the other things. I didn't even get a chance to do that, but this ordinance here in College Park says that [1:49:31, 1:49:33]: The governing body may appoint a deputy clerk. [1:49:34, 1:49:37]: Maybe I saw the I saw your email. [1:49:38, 1:49:43]: Maybe they've changed. I saw her email. Maybe they've changed along the way. [1:49:44, 1:49:45]: But [1:49:45, 1:49:51]: My concern is that we've been doing this consistently for quite a period of time. [1:49:52, 1:49:56]: I'm not rushing to do it. I understand her position in this. [1:49:57, 1:50:07]: I do have some concerns. All right. And that's it. All right. All right. Fur any further discussion before we take a vote? If I may, Mr. Oh stand by please. Any any further standby? Go ahead, please. Mr. Blount. [1:50:08, 1:50:18]: One of the things that I don't ever wanna do is is I don't want us to ever get into airing out laundry out front. Citizens don't deserve it and we shouldn't do it. [1:50:20, 1:50:22]: When a council [1:50:22, 1:50:25]: Um asked for executive session on the item. [1:50:27, 1:50:38]: When the city manager, our attorney, and this council knows the climate of what the questions may be. I don't ever want us going back and forth with any employee, any staff. [1:50:39, 1:50:42]: That's presenting something that should be presented by [1:50:43, 1:50:52]: the city m uh attorney and the de uh HR because any questions that go back and forth and direct [1:50:52, 1:51:12]: Would be going directly to that position, which that that staff is in, and that makes it almost an attack on that employee for that position. This is why I don't know why the city clerk is up here presenting this, because the questions and the and and those things that we're talking about, the pros and cons of it, and we're talking about why. [1:51:12, 1:51:20]: Why we don't or do, it shouldn't be direct, it would be directed at that position that she holds, and it makes it an employee. [1:51:21, 1:51:41]: It makes it an employee situation, which makes it an executive situation. I agree totally 100% with Mr. Alexander. This should be discussed in the executive session because you all know there's some sensitivity to this situation. And we cannot discuss it out front because I would never air any laundry out front. [1:51:41, 1:51:49]: But I would not sit here and continue to let this council, without saying anything, allow Miss, allow the city clerk to come up. [1:51:49, 1:52:06]: and make that whatever decision we make that's that we wanna make would be the wrong one unless we make the one that benefits her. I'm not gonna sit here and allow that. So it either either we air out the laundry out front why we don't wanna do it, or we go in executive session so it doesn't get personal. [1:52:07, 1:52:10]: This is where we're at. You all know this is where we're at. [1:52:11, 1:52:13]: Yeah. Yes, sir. [1:52:14, 1:52:31]: I call for the vote. Okay. Um maybe we're going to stand by. All right. So we so we got we got a motion of four to uh uh the motion is actually the the city clerk would hire option one, hire the or the deputy would be hired by the city clerk. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:52:33, 1:52:34]: All polls. [1:52:35, 1:52:49]: All right. Motion fails. All right. So motion now fails. Now I'm gonna make an alternative motion. Okay, what's your alternative motion? To re to maybe revisit this issue after an executive session discussion at some point. [1:52:51, 1:52:56]: I second. All right. Motion be made and second it. Discussion. Uh just go ahead. Mm-hmm. Discussion. [1:52:56, 1:52:57]: Okay, so [1:52:59, 1:53:02]: Our last meeting, this item was on the agenda. [1:53:02, 1:53:04]: The city attorney asks [1:53:05, 1:53:06]: That we table it. [1:53:06, 1:53:08]: For additional research. [1:53:09, 1:53:10]: That's what he said. [1:53:11, 1:53:14]: Who gave the direction or directive? [1:53:15, 1:53:17]: Ти проваде орденцы. [1:53:18, 1:53:19]: Because that wasn't [1:53:20, 1:53:22]: A directive that came from the consensus of the [1:53:23, 1:53:24]: Of the council. [1:53:25, 1:53:27]: When he said he needed to do further research. [1:53:28, 1:53:34]: I just expected that he do further research. So I wanna know where did this whole idea of [1:53:35, 1:53:38]: Whether it be a order. Mr. Washington, you wanna come back to the mic, please? [1:53:38, 1:53:40]: It was it was that was a request. [1:53:40, 1:53:45]: Well well the H R come to come come to the mic please so everybody can hear you so that the kill. [1:53:45, 1:53:46]: Mm-hmm. [1:53:47, 1:53:50]: HR sent on the agenda request form. [1:53:52, 1:53:53]: And so that's where the ordinance came from. [1:53:54, 1:54:14]: So you send eight H R, which is be Miss Renee, did ask for the the ordinance to be done. I see. Okay, does uh has that answer your question, Mary Portin? No, it doesn't. So I am still from the left, if you go back to your agenda books, the Latin the request form, that was what was on the [1:54:14, 1:54:16]: [6856.7, 6857.5]: All right. [1:54:17, 1:54:28]: Mm-hmm. So what is um unclear to me is this is just a matter of whether or not the city clerk has the authority [1:54:29, 1:54:30]: Of hiring. [1:54:31, 1:54:32]: A deputy clerk. [1:54:33, 1:54:35]: I am just really baffled. [1:54:35, 1:54:38]: While we're going around and around. [1:54:38, 1:54:40]: about a position [1:54:41, 1:54:44]: The clerk's office only has three people. [1:54:45, 1:54:46]: In that office. [1:54:47, 1:54:50]: Why are we going around and around about [1:54:50, 1:54:52]: This particular issue. [1:54:52, 1:54:53]: That's what I don't get. [1:54:54, 1:54:55]: All right. [1:54:55, 1:54:56]: The last meeting [1:54:57, 1:54:59]: When the city attorney asked that we table it. [1:54:59, 1:55:00]: For additional [1:55:01, 1:55:02]: research that he needed to do. [1:55:04, 1:55:05]: I was really baffled then. [1:55:06, 1:55:09]: Now we're here and we're still going back and forth about this. [1:55:10, 1:55:23]: No, the the research that we did was whether or not Ms. Ms Watson, could you come to the mic, please, sir, make sure you're well heard, sir. Yeah, the research we did was whether or not there had been anything that codified why the deputy city clerk was appointed. [1:55:23, 1:55:36]: Right. We did not have anything that told us, but continually you all have you all meaning the city of Stockbridge and council's before has appointed the deputy city clerk. [1:55:37, 1:55:45]: There's never been an ordinance saying that you all appointed the deputy city clerk. It's not in the charter. There's no resolution on that, but it is done. [1:55:45, 1:56:04]: And so that was the research to determine whether or not that was something that was done, or that was something that you all were following a directive of an ordinance or the charter or anything of that nature. And that was not able to be found in that, but there is a consistent practice going back several decades. [1:56:04, 1:56:05]: That appoints. [1:56:06, 1:56:07]: Thank you, sir. [1:56:07, 1:56:08]: All right. [1:56:10, 1:56:10]: Okay. [1:56:11, 1:56:15]: Continue on discussion, sir. Um I I just wanna say this. Um [1:56:17, 1:56:21]: When when when this item come has just come up [1:56:25, 1:56:28]: The time of this item becomes interesting. [1:56:29, 1:56:37]: Because if this has been the practice long before we all I mean, even back to 1943. [1:56:39, 1:56:49]: What is being set before us today is that either this practice is gonna continue in the ordinance or we're gonna move the practice away from us that's been in this city. [1:56:49, 1:56:53]: And give it and move it to one, or we're gonna move it to two? [1:56:54, 1:57:00]: That's the climate. That's it here. Everybody we can sit here and go back and forth. Everybody knows what we're dealing with here. [1:57:00, 1:57:07]: And we'll be here all night because everybody's gotta talk around issues because we're not making an executive session issue. [1:57:09, 1:57:16]: So either we're going if you don't want to table this, I'm willing I'm ready to vote for number two since one failed. We already voted. [1:57:17, 1:57:18]: But to do what? They already voted. [1:57:19, 1:57:26]: They voted one one was voted down. It was voted. They never they never voted. There was one one was voted down, three, two. [1:57:27, 1:57:29]: I I I like to make a a motion. [1:57:29, 1:57:31]: There's a motion on the table. [1:57:31, 1:57:33]: By Councilman Alexander. [1:57:34, 1:57:45]: A motion on the table that I made to revisit this after an executive session or private discussion at some point. Ms. Gantt second that. That's right. That that's the motion that's currently on the table now. I'm fine with that. [1:57:46, 1:58:03]: Okay, so we we're in the discussion phase. Thank you for that. During the discussion phase. So any other discussion? If not, then then what it's what's uh what is it we read the motion the motion's been read it's been second. All in favor of that motion please end. No attorney needs to speak because you are violating executive session rules if you do that. [1:58:06, 1:58:20]: If you are going to be discussing the position, then it's public. We're discussing some personnel involved in that. That's what we're doing. The difficulty is is that you do not have a person in that position anymore. [1:58:20, 1:58:33]: Okay. There you go. There's there's not a deputy there's not currently a deputy city clerk. So if we were going in to talk about uh the current deputy city clerk or a the deputy city clerk, that's a personnel matter. [1:58:33, 1:58:41]: Okay, I I withdraw my motion. Okay, there it goes. Withdraw. All right. I'd like to motion. You would like to make a motion, sir. I'd like to make a motion that we accept option two. [1:58:41, 1:58:43]: Sir second that motion. [1:58:43, 1:58:45]: I second. Okay, and further discussion. [1:58:47, 1:58:48]: All in favor, please and okay. [1:58:50, 1:58:53]: Option two says appointed by the city council is what it says. [1:58:55, 1:58:57]: So that's option two. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:58:59, 1:59:00]: I'll post. [1:59:01, 1:59:02]: Well [1:59:03, 1:59:06]: Okay, three opposed. All right. Motion fails. Okay. [1:59:08, 1:59:09]: Or a stalemate. [1:59:10, 1:59:20]: So now at this point, everybody, we're now able to take a regular high. We're choosing not to appoint during this council legislative session. So that wasn't council legislative session. [1:59:20, 1:59:31]: M Mr. Come back to the mic. We voted not to go with option number. Mr. Washington, explain this please. [1:59:31, 1:59:51]: We vote hold on hold we hold on voted not to go. Hold on, let it let the attorney explain. But option number one was what's in front of you the ordinance, which would allow it would be an ordinance that would be put into the set of ordinances that would allow for the clerk to appoint the deputy city clerk. That was ordinance number number one. [1:59:51, 1:59:59]: Number two. Which failed. Okay. Number two was whether or not you are going to appoint. [1:59:59, 2:00:02]: the deputy city clerk. That figure. [2:00:03, 2:00:20]: Right. So on those two issues, now you're not appointing and it's not an ordinance which would allow the deputy um which would allow the clerk to be able to appoint. So at that point it becomes a regular hire because they're I'd like to reconsider the motion. [2:00:21, 2:00:28]: A second. About it being hot. But look, that's what when we walk through this, that's what we got these that different options. Or reconsider the motion. [2:00:29, 2:00:44]: Okay, he can legally he made you made a motion originally, is that correct? Okay, and that could that can be done. And it has to be second on the prevailing side, yes. Excuse me now? The person on the prevailing side of the motion to reconsider. And he reconsidered that has to be seconded as well, is that correct? Yeah. Second consideration. [2:00:44, 2:00:46]: And does it have to be second by the prevailing person? [2:00:47, 2:00:49]: No, okay, I second. [2:00:49, 2:00:59]: Mayor Ford. Yeah, so okay. Motion reconsider has been uh made. Motion made one second, sir. Reconsider the motion has been made in the second. Further discussion. Sir, go ahead please. What is the reconsideration? [2:01:01, 2:01:14]: The reconsideration was whether to for the council to appoint. Since the original vote was not for the council to appoint, I'm asking for a reconsideration so we can leave leave it where it was. So I'm reconsidering that. [2:01:15, 2:01:16]: I seca. [2:01:16, 2:01:18]: All right, motion's made a second. [2:01:18, 2:01:19]: Mayor Ford. [2:01:20, 2:01:22]: Yes ma'am. [2:01:22, 2:01:24]: For the council to appoint [2:01:25, 2:01:29]: The prevailing side failed by three. That would be myself [2:01:30, 2:01:32]: Councilman Alexander and Councilman Thomas. [2:01:33, 2:01:33]: So [2:01:34, 2:01:42]: Myself or Councilman Thomas would need to second his motion. No. You just want I'm sorry. Anyone can second. [2:01:42, 2:01:53]: I thought you said the prevailing side of two the person on the prevailing side has to make the person who's on the prevailing side has to move and be safe. Anybody can say. [2:01:53, 2:02:00]: Gotcha. Thank you, sir. Mayor, am I able to speak? We'll need to speak. Y Yes, go ahead. [2:02:01, 2:02:03]: So with this motion [2:02:03, 2:02:05]: And with this ordinance. [2:02:06, 2:02:07]: This department [2:02:07, 2:02:27]: Would be the only department in the city that has someone under the city. Mayor, point of order. We cannot do this out front. Point of order. Point of order. What's the point of order? We cannot have city clerk or any staff member telling us why. [2:02:27, 2:02:47]: We shouldn't do something sitting up here because what's gonna happen is we'll tell her why we should. Okay, well here's the deal. I'm gonna I'm gonna override your point order. I'm gonna do that. Okay, then it'll get messy. Okay, it'll get messy because we're gonna override your point order. Okay, then by this I am not telling the council or anything to do. [2:02:47, 2:02:51]: Mayor. [2:02:51, 2:02:58]: Uh point of order. Point of order, Mayor. Come on, really. Appeal to the council to overrule the chair. Second. [2:02:59, 2:03:03]: Really? Mr Watson, come back up here, please. [2:03:03, 2:03:04]: Yes. [2:03:04, 2:03:09]: I just want to hire my standard. Point of order to move forward. Hold hold on a second. Hold on. [2:03:09, 2:03:15]: There was a point of point. Stand by, folks. Stand by. All right. Mr. Washington. [2:03:15, 2:03:19]: I overrode a point of order from Mr. Blount to allow the clerk to speak. [2:03:20, 2:03:40]: Mr. Alessandro, you want some more you want to point order to override a good decision for the council override my point over to keep her from speaking. Is that illegal? Can that happen? Yes. That would be my majority vote of the order. Okay, fine. So be it. So you made you made a point of order, Mr. Alessandra. Is there a second that point of order? Second. Okay, is there all in favor of the point of order? Okay, fine. So they override it. So I [2:03:40, 2:03:55]: Oh stand by standby. So you over stand by you override me to speak before for to allow her to speak. What a mouse override my decision. So on that note, legally, sorry, Miss Holloway, you cannot you cannot speak. I understand. All right, good deal. Now, counsel. [2:03:55, 2:04:06]: Now we have uh we still have a s uh uh m miss Hobb, could you go please sit down to Well I was actually taking the notes, but okay. Well you can you can do it from there, please. All right. So where do we go from here, Mr. Washington? [2:04:07, 2:04:23]: If you all s right now, you all have the option of you're doing a motion to reconsider to determine whether or not you want to appoint. If you choose not to appoint, it will be a regular hiring pro regular hire that will go through the regular stock reach hiring process. [2:04:24, 2:04:26]: Okay. All right. So what's the desire of the council? [2:04:27, 2:04:28]: Mayor. Yes, ma'am. [2:04:28, 2:04:31]: I first of all, before I make this motion [2:04:33, 2:04:34]: Um with our respect. [2:04:35, 2:04:36]: Mr Washington. [2:04:37, 2:04:41]: Since nineteen the nineteen thirties, we've been appointing a deputy clerk. That's correct. [2:04:42, 2:04:45]: You can't just come in here and say [2:04:45, 2:04:57]: Oh, by the way, since y'all have been doing it this way, even though you've been doing it, we're gonna stop it and you can just all of a sudden now rehire. There's gotta be something in there. I'm saying th there has th you're saying it's open. [2:04:57, 2:05:02]: And it's available where it could be done that way. But we've we've [2:05:02, 2:05:20]: We have some type of history here. We have a and I why am I illegal right now, but I'm on the edge of my seat. We have provided a way of of handling things since the thirties. I see exactly what it's like. And so what I'm saying to you is [2:05:22, 2:05:42]: You come up to the podium and then say, Well, if you don't vote on either one of these options, then they can just hire. And I don't think that's the case. So I'll tell you exactly what it's like. It's like when term of court ends. It's a new term of court. When you all make prior counsels have decided that they want to stick to to tradition and appoint a day. [2:05:42, 2:05:43]: Deputy City Clerk. [2:05:44, 2:06:04]: However, that's not done by ordinance. And if it's done by resolution, the resolutions die at the end of a legislative term for the legislative body. Okay. Just like when you all, you know, when we do contracts, right? You can't do multi-year contracts with cities because multi-year contracts bind successive councils. You can do [2:06:03, 2:06:23]: A five-year contract where it is a for a year with a termination clause, but if you decide not to enact the termination clause, it can be renewed for a successive number of four years. Okay. The same thing is here because you all do not have an ordinance or the charter does not specify it, then there's nothing that would bind you to be able to. [2:06:23, 2:06:25]: A point. [2:06:25, 2:06:33]: The city clerk. If you are the deputy city clerk, if you all choose to appoint a deputy city clerk, and you do not have to choose now, you can choose. [2:06:33, 2:06:53]: From the next meeting or until whenever. However, the process would still be if you all do not speak into that space, the process will be a normal process unless you speak into that space. Well then in that case, I would like to make a motion to approve the second ordinance. I'm sorry, your motion is what now? Approve the second ordinance. [2:06:53, 2:07:04]: Listed that the city um appoints a deputy clerk. Okay. Mr. Blount, you second that? Yeah. Any further discussion? [2:07:04, 2:07:24]: Any further discussion? This w what is the option to leave what we're doing alone until w what is that option? So if you do if you do nothing, then it's subsequent council meetings, you can decide to appoint. But if not, it would still go through the regular hiring. But but the deal is if we don't do anything, nobody can hire anybody, right? [2:07:24, 2:07:28]: No, it would be it would be the hire that would come through HR and the city manager. [2:07:29, 2:07:33]: Okay, so if we don't take an action then somebody could go out and hire somebody tomorrow. Yeah. [2:07:35, 2:07:38]: Makes sense. It'll be the process that the city manager will come up with because it's on the executive side. [2:07:39, 2:07:42]: Mr. City Manager, come on for the podium. [2:07:43, 2:07:52]: Um let's change it. Yeah, yes, Mr. Thomas says Mr. Gardner's coming up. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. Uh option two has been motion second and failed. [2:07:54, 2:08:05]: Yes it did. It didn't fail. You didn't ask for the vote? Yeah yes it did. Initially I th initially we he actually reconsidered. He did reconsider. It did initially fail, then it reconsidered. And then that reconsider reconsideration passed. [2:08:08, 2:08:19]: My my question to you, sir, is if we decide to delay this to make a decision with subsequent discussion, we hold off on a higher in this position. [2:08:21, 2:08:27]: Yes. Until your next meeting which will be the twenty sixth of September, I think it is. [2:08:30, 2:08:33]: That's the next time council meet to consider if you table it. [2:08:37, 2:08:41]: Okay, that's our work session. Twenty sixth of September is correct. [2:08:41, 2:08:42]: That's a work session. I can't do it. [2:08:45, 2:08:49]: All right, council. Yes. Okay, so where are we? [2:08:50, 2:09:10]: Mayor Ford. Yes, well I think the motion. I think the motion yes yes sir well I think the motion was uh pointed by the city council. I believe that's that motion was uh uh made by you, Ms. Gantt, and seconded by Mr. Blount. Mr. Thomas, you have some additional comments. Well I I I was going to make another motion. I didn't know we'd be. I don't know we got a motion on the stage. Okay, and the motion on the floor is to change the ordinary [2:09:10, 2:09:12]: [7752.8, 7760.9]: It says appointed by the city council. Mo option two is appointed by the city council. That's the motion that's on the floor right now. Right, but would it be by would it be by ordinance or resolution? [2:09:21, 2:09:32]: Well, I don't know, I didn't make the motion. I I re I earlier in my comments I recommended we don't have an ordinance on this at all. But So let me ask that let me ask another question. So if we do pass this today, we could change it at any time, right? Right. Depending on what you passed. [2:09:32, 2:09:41]: If we pass that the city council appoint, we could turn around and and change it if we chose to. Yes. That would be that would assume that that's assuming that you're doing it by resolution. [2:09:41, 2:09:48]: Right. So that's what we're doing? No. Well I don't know. Will of counsel expressed in two ways resolution or ordinance? [2:09:49, 2:09:52]: Ms. Gantt made the motion. What's the motion? [2:09:53, 2:09:55]: If we do it by ordinance, we can't change it. [2:09:55, 2:10:03]: Yes, you can change it, but just it has to be a ordin a written the different rules for ordinances opposed to residents. Okay. And what is that rule? [2:10:04, 2:10:11]: The ordinance would have to be written that you're changing and it would go through the mayor's off the mayor's office for his signature of veto. [2:10:11, 2:10:31]: Okay, I'm okay with that'cause it's just draft, right? An amendment. I'm okay with that. So if you miss so example for example, if you're taking the ordinance that's written and you decide you want to amend it from the DS and say that we want to change this to where the city council appoints and this is the person that the person reports to and all that stuff, you can do it here and that will become [2:10:31, 2:10:51]: The new ordinance that would be drafted and go to the mayor for signature. If the mayor signs it, then it goes to Municode and it is an ordinance. If the mayor vetoes it, then it comes back to you all to decide about vetoing it. If it's a resolution, then it would not go to the mayor. It would be a resolution saying that you all are going to appoint. And then as they were going. [2:10:51, 2:10:58]: through the process to get the candidates and all that stuff they brought to you all for you to make decisions about who you're appointing. [2:11:00, 2:11:01]: Mm-hmm. [2:11:02, 2:11:07]: That same process would also happen during an ordinance, but you would have the mayor's signature on the ordinance. [2:11:08, 2:11:10]: that would go up to Munico. [2:11:14, 2:11:34]: The resolution gives the mayor the resolution does not give the mayor because it's not an ordinance. The resolution does not give the mayor the ability to veto it. If you do an ordinance, the mayor will be told it's a good idea. What I do what I may have to be told. Okay, good question. I'll answer that question here. I made a recommendation that I don't think an ordinance is needed at all for this action. This action should go back just [2:11:34, 2:11:54]: We I think we whatever reason, whatever reason what has happened to pass, I think it needs to change, and uh and I believe that the city clerk should be able to actually um go ahead and hire, along with the process with the HR, to hire the deputy. Now, if you ask, will I veto it? Well, I'll tell you what, if it becomes an ordinance and four of you don't agree, then the chances are I would vote. [2:11:54, 2:12:09]: of V to it, which would which prolong things, so I'm not in favor of doing orders in the first place. So to answer your question, yes, the option if the option is there, if four of you don't say if four of you don't pass this, then I the option is most likely I would V to it. Then we'll back to square one. [2:12:09, 2:12:28]: All right? And and and you know I can I will vote I will veto things if need be. Now whether or not you override me is not a story. You overwrote me this night. All right, but the but I don't think we should have an ordinance, period. You shouldn't have it. I'm telling you. But you all decide and then if you give me the option, I'll make a decision based on my options. Okay. All right. All right. [2:12:29, 2:12:31]: So what do you want to do? [2:12:31, 2:12:35]: I will make it I will move to make it a resolution. [2:12:36, 2:12:38]: Okay,'cause I can't vote over resolutions. That's right. [2:12:39, 2:12:53]: Okay. So you what's your actual motion now? Uh what's your motion for this? Now make sure the clerks got it right and we all understand. The question is that we continue on like we've been on which is option which is the second option. We've been doing this since the nineteen thirties. [2:12:54, 2:12:57]: Where the council appoints a deputy clerk. [2:12:59, 2:13:19]: Okay, that's that's that's your motion. Is there a second to the motion? Mayor there was no vote on the first motion option. That's that's right. The appointment of the I I We already had a motion on the floor, that's correct. Unless she rescinds I rescind that option. You rescind which option? For the second ordinance. And I would like to change that to a resolution. [2:13:20, 2:13:32]: Okay. Okay, make sure we got this right under writing so we'd be accurate with this. So you're you're you're so you're rescinding the first one about option two in reference to the appointment of by the city council. You're rescinding that one. Is that what you're saying? [2:13:32, 2:13:38]: Yes. Okay, and now you made so that's resent. So you made it so you can rescind that. Okay, now you're s your next motion is to do what now? [2:13:39, 2:13:48]: To make a resolution that states that the uh deputy clerk shall be appointed by the C City Council. [2:13:48, 2:14:00]: Okay, is there a second that motion? Is it further any further discussion? Yes, well uh I reserved the right to come back for a later discussion with this, but tonight to move things forward, we'll call for the vote. [2:14:01, 2:14:04]: Any further conversation? All right, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:14:05, 2:14:06]: Opposed. [2:14:08, 2:14:11]: So motion pass three to two. All right, we'll move on. [2:14:14, 2:14:34]: Consent agenda. Council of Consideration approved Yellowstone Landscape, Campground Road, and Hudson Bridge Road, medium enhancement payment and amount of$70,158.96. Mr. Aaron has that. Council Consideration approved the surplus list of items from information technology in City Hall in place for advertisement on the ground. [2:14:34, 2:14:54]: Goldoves platform for sale as prescribed. Mr. Wiggins has that. Council consideration approved upskill uh Stockbridge Memorandum of Understanding MU, MOU between the city uh Stockbridge and Southern Crescent Technical College for the 2023-2024 academic year. Uh [2:14:54, 2:15:01]: And that's uh Mr. Alant says that these are on a consent agenda. You're all in favor? Yes, sir. What what question do you have, sir? [2:15:01, 2:15:06]: I've gotten three different um eras of of um [2:15:06, 2:15:08]: Of funding. [2:15:09, 2:15:10]: For [2:15:12, 2:15:13]: And it's not on here. [2:15:14, 2:15:20]: uh for the Hudson Bridge Road project. Because one of the thing one of the things my uh [2:15:20, 2:15:25]: I'm for any beautification we're doing on Hudson Bridge Road. [2:15:25, 2:15:27]: I wanna put that out first. [2:15:27, 2:15:34]: Okay. But Hudson Bridge Road used to go all the way down to forty two until they called it Eagles Landing Road. [2:15:35, 2:15:39]: And one of the things that we're doing if we're gonna do that road [2:15:40, 2:15:44]: And we need to state where the funding is, put it on here on the agenda, first of all. [2:15:45, 2:15:46]: Funding source. [2:15:47, 2:15:53]: But if we're gonna start doing that, we gotta look at Eagles Landing Parkway. We gotta look at w all this rock. [2:15:54, 2:15:58]: right there at Rock Quarry and Eagles Landing Parkway, that that medium [2:15:58, 2:16:01]: It's not a grass medium, but it's a dilapidated medium. [2:16:02, 2:16:09]: That now the city needs to start looking at and paying attention to. Look at the signs. Look at this the overhead signs. [2:16:10, 2:16:12]: You can't even read'em, they're so dilapidated. [2:16:13, 2:16:15]: So we're gonna start funding [2:16:16, 2:16:28]: The roads. Let's fund the road. The whole road. The whole area. The whole road. Let's put funding there for the the whole road. And then we need to put on here where we identifying the funding at. [2:16:30, 2:16:32]: Does anybody on here know where it's coming from? [2:16:32, 2:16:51]: Because what I've been told, I'm just trying to make sure we can get it from there. All right, this these are all three on the consent agenda now, uh which would take which consent agenda would take one vote. Now, each and the individuals that have these topics are all here. If we need an individual discussion on that, I suppose. But we probably need to break it out of consent agenda if that's the case, I would imagine. [2:16:52, 2:16:56]: My my my my problem is with this, what I'm saying, Mayor. Okay. [2:16:57, 2:17:13]: Is I'm okay with the city uh consent agenda. Okay. But like we've a always asked Mr. Aaron, could you read the podium please? Everything needs to have the funding source posted. But when we start talking about roads, which you c we're broken up in districts now. [2:17:14, 2:17:24]: And the minute they start fixing up Hudson Bridge Road and they l I'm gonna get the calls about that medium right there at Rock Bridge, I'm gonna say right there at Rock Bridge and Eagles Landing Parkway. [2:17:26, 2:17:28]: So when we start talking about beautification. [2:17:29, 2:17:31]: Don't don't don't include ugly. [2:17:31, 2:17:35]: And thinking I'm gonna be okay with it for district district three. [2:17:35, 2:17:43]: We need to make sure that we're we're we're cleaning that at least clean it up. All right. All right, Mr. Aaron, and can you answer those questions here? [2:17:43, 2:17:57]: So as far as the funding that was coming from the three percent non restrict the hotel motel tax for the Hudson Road, Eagles Land I'm Hudson Road Ridge Road and Campground Road beautification project. [2:17:57, 2:17:59]: How much is in that three percent? [2:17:59, 2:18:00]: [8281.0, 8281.9]: Mr. Wiggins. [2:18:03, 2:18:03]: So [2:18:05, 2:18:07]: Uh thank you. Mr. Wiggins, can you come forward please? [2:18:09, 2:18:11]: About a million dollars. [2:18:12, 2:18:12]: Yeah. [2:18:13, 2:18:14]: What's the question? [2:18:15, 2:18:20]: The question is on the hotel motel tax, this is gonna come from the three percent. [2:18:20, 2:18:21]: How much money is in the three percent? [2:18:22, 2:18:23]: Oh [2:18:24, 2:18:27]: For the um hotel motel fund balance. [2:18:27, 2:18:29]: Last it was from the heart, it was about [2:18:30, 2:18:41]: See, Mr. Wiggins, I told y'all before and I you know you know, I appreciate everything y'all do. But this is a question But when we start talking about about and around that that doesn't go anywhere with me. [2:18:42, 2:18:45]: Because we got computers, we need to have figures, we need to have extra figures. [2:18:47, 2:19:00]: So when we when we put on the agenda that this gonna come from hotel motel tax, this is a prudent question that's gonna be asked. How much is in there? Because if there's enough in there, I wanna see uh Eagles Landing Parkway done too. [2:19:00, 2:19:05]: If we're spending money from hotel motel, so I need to I really need to know how much money we got in there. [2:19:07, 2:19:10]: We'll have to get back to you. I'll I can get it to you, send it to you tomorrow. [2:19:10, 2:19:24]: But we can't put this stuff on the agenda unless we got the answers to the question. I wanna see Hudson Bridge Road beautified. I thank uh Mr. Alexander for the work that they've been doing down there. It looks like night and day from what it used to look like. [2:19:25, 2:19:38]: I wanna see it beautified, but also wanna see District 3 area beautified. I wanna see Eagles Landing Parkway and O'Sign, if we're using hotel motel tax at 3%, let me know what what what's in that 3% account. [2:19:39, 2:19:47]: Because I need to know I need to know even if the seventy thousand dollars in there. You send me m m if I could respond. [2:19:48, 2:20:08]: Go right ahead, please, sir. Yeah, Mr. Blount, I I certainly concur with your sentiments in that uh the whole area. If you remember two years ago when we originally passed this, that was exactly what we were supposed to do. Uh Campground Road and Hudson Bridge was supposed to be the first project. There were supposed to be additional projects. [2:20:08, 2:20:28]: All around the city as a part of all of the beautification. That was just supposed to be the initial project. The Campground Road Project and the Hudson Bridge project are complete. We just need to pay for them at this point. And I believe there's close to a million dollars in this hotel motel tax. [2:20:28, 2:20:48]: Uh account. I think you had like eight or nine hundred thousand dollars in the account. Last saw it was eight hundred, eight hundred sixty thousand. So it with over the year we've been collecting it throughout the year. So there's plenty of money in there. We just need to prioritize what we're needing to do and set the priorities for each district. As you said at the time when we passed this, we didn't have [2:20:47, 2:20:59]: districts. So maybe we should go back and look at what each district specifically needs. And I concur because I share Eagles Landing Parkway with you that Median certainly does need to be cleaned up. [2:21:00, 2:21:01]: Ms. Barber, you had a comment? [2:21:03, 2:21:22]: Well this item is on the consent agenda. It is on the consent agenda. So I didn't think we would have discussions regarding items that are on the consent agenda. Well normally you you know I would say normally we probably do not, but uh since there's a concern about the funding issue, I thought we'd just maybe go down the road. [2:21:22, 2:21:24]: I'm sorry, say again, please. [2:21:25, 2:21:42]: Would it be best for us to remove this particular item from the consent agenda so that we can have discussions? Yeah, well that's uh probably something we can do. Okay. I would imagine I would make a motion to remove this from the consent agenda so we can have further discussions. Is there a second motion? [2:21:43, 2:21:44]: Okay, all in favor please? Okay. [2:21:45, 2:21:50]: Okay, there we go. We'll take it off the consent agenda. It's off the consent agenda, so go ahead with discussions of item number nine. [2:21:51, 2:21:53]: Any further comments or questions about item number nine? [2:21:54, 2:21:55]: Well [2:21:55, 2:21:58]: In response to Mr. Алеxander, uh [2:22:00, 2:22:03]: Mr. Wickins, you said it's over eight hundred thousand in in there. [2:22:03, 2:22:06]: Yeah, but I I do want to uh But what is the three percent? [2:22:08, 2:22:11]: Three percent that we I'm not talking about the overall collection. [2:22:12, 2:22:15]: Because we can only divert the three percent. [2:22:16, 2:22:17]: What is the three percent? [2:22:18, 2:22:20]: I'll have to get back to you with that. [2:22:20, 2:22:25]: See that's the question that's the question in itself. [2:22:26, 2:22:30]: Because if it's not there if it's if if this amount is not there. [2:22:31, 2:22:35]: Then where are the r where the rest gonna come from if we approve it tonight? [2:22:37, 2:22:43]: The rest for what? If if the seventy thousand is not there in the three percent. [2:22:45, 2:22:45]: You say it is? [2:22:46, 2:23:06]: I'm I'm pretty sure that 70,000, we have 70,000 for the city. But see, Mr. Wiggins, as our treasure, we can't have you, pretty sure. We have to say yes or no. But we but I need to have these questions before when you're talking about figures. But if you put it on the agenda, y'all should be ready for everything. Whoever put it on the agenda, I need to know what's in that three percent because if there's seventy [2:23:06, 2:23:12]: but seventy thousand is not in there, then where's the rest of the money gonna come from if we approve this tonight? [2:23:12, 2:23:13]: Yeah. [2:23:13, 2:23:14]: Stand by please. [2:23:15, 2:23:25]: That that's my c I'm just saying that's my question. I'm not trying to put anybody on blast or anything. I'm just saying if we're going to have a funding source for any projects. [2:23:26, 2:23:46]: We need to make sure the funding source is feasible enough to supply the money for this. And if we want to expand the areas of these funding sources for the projects, then you we should be able to be told that the money is there. I mean, that's all. I'm not trying to put Ms. We're not trying to put your glass or you, Mr. Uh Eric. I'm just trying to say if the three [2:23:46, 2:23:49]: per if it's coming from the three percent, I just need to know that number. [2:23:50, 2:23:57]: So could we have a motion to approve pending the the seventy thousand dollars is in that account so we don't have to come back? [2:23:58, 2:24:18]: I'm fine with that. I'm fine. I'm fine with leaving. I'm I'm fine with that. And in reference to yours about the Eagles Landing, the Eagles Landing Homeowners Association, the median there from I think it's like Country Club down to Highway 42 is maintained by them. The road is in the process of being resurfaced, and Henry County is taking a lead on that as part [2:24:18, 2:24:38]: Of our T-SPLOST, the city is contributing a portion towards the resurfacing and beautification of Eagles Landing Parkway and Hudson Bridge Road. So that is that is on the docket, but the city is contributing like 800,000 out of our T-SPLOST, and Henry County has it in their contract with Blount for the resurfacing. [2:24:38, 2:24:45]: surfacing no I'll be both landing and Austin Bridge. [2:24:46, 2:24:50]: When you coming south on Rock Quarry. [2:24:50, 2:24:54]: To Eagles Landing Parkway before you cross over to Patrick Henry? Yes. [2:24:54, 2:24:56]: That medium is so long. [2:24:57, 2:25:01]: That I'm literally seeing people because the striping is gone. [2:25:01, 2:25:15]: Prit is is really bad and the medium is busted. I'm talking about safety. That th that that rock and all that stuff needs to be fixed, painted, where people know that it's on the other side of that yellow that you need to turn. But [2:25:15, 2:25:34]: That's part of the resurfacing and but but but I can't wait months or another year or all this. We have to we have to hear we have to make it safe. You got you got loose rocks. You got loose rocks sitting over there at the that's the part I'm talking about. Either we gonna make it look real ugly by removing the rocks. [2:25:34, 2:25:36]: Oh, we're gonna go in and just lease. [2:25:37, 2:25:39]: Uh fixed the curve on it and paint it yellow. [2:25:40, 2:25:40]: I mean [2:25:41, 2:25:52]: That's not too expensive to do that while everybody's doing everything else. I'd rather lose fifteen thousand dollars doing it, doing that, rather than lose somebody's life because we didn't do it. [2:25:55, 2:25:57]: That's what I'm saying. It's a safety hazard. [2:25:59, 2:26:01]: Ms. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. [2:26:01, 2:26:09]: Ma Mayor Ford, for me it it's apparent that we're not ready to to to vote on this issue. [2:26:09, 2:26:29]: uh that's information that's that's needed. Uh councilman Alexander somewhat mentioned uh the possibility of dividing funds up uh for the entire city. It just it just appeared to mean that we are not ready. Uh Mr. Wiggins, Mr. Aaron [2:26:29, 2:26:40]: It's apparent also that you all need to come back with f facts and figures in order for this council to make these kind of decisions. [2:26:40, 2:27:00]: It's it's it's it it it just it's just it's just a mess right now and and I I just don't see how we and and I know um Councilman Blount has said this before about when we have agenda items, staff need to be prepared to come with facts and figures. And I think this is where we are again. So I just [2:27:00, 2:27:20]: Don't see us being able to make a decision tonight because the information is not there. And I'm leaning toward a comment that uh Councilman Alexander made about let's look and see how we can divide funds up for the entire city, not just in one or two particular uh uh areas. So [2:27:20, 2:27:30]: So I I just think we just need to go back to the drawing board with a little bit more homework. Because uh I'm ready to vote on the contingency. [2:27:31, 2:27:32]: I'm ready to vote on it. [2:27:33, 2:27:35]: Uh when you know w [2:27:36, 2:27:41]: I'm just when I when I brought up Eagles Landing Parkway, we have to look at that road in itself. [2:27:42, 2:27:59]: When you have those projects that are in everyone's different districts, I'm not gonna say anything about that. I'm not gonna say, oh, what about me? What about me? It's not that. I'm talking about the health hazard. If there's money to fix that area, let's do it. So I'm I'm ready to vote on the contingency. [2:27:59, 2:28:05]: I I'm not in a position where I'm not ready to vote because this is before us and if we have the funds to do it, [2:28:06, 2:28:08]: We can I'm I'm okay with doing it. [2:28:09, 2:28:25]: My problem is is that we need figures in front of us. We shouldn't have to deal with contingencies and we need to go ahead and move forward with what the totality of everything put before us and Eagles Landing Parkway is a is a is a it's dangerous. [2:28:26, 2:28:29]: Is d y you can't see the stripings. You got rocks in the road. [2:28:30, 2:28:34]: There's that's a there's a danger sitting there. And so if money is in there. [2:28:35, 2:28:37]: We we need to we need to use it. [2:28:38, 2:28:44]: Even if it's just a small fix to just clean the rocks up and somebody go by and put the and and just paint it. [2:28:45, 2:28:52]: If we gotta redo it, then so so be it. I don't want anybody losing, getting hurt because we're not doing our due diligence and making it safe. [2:28:52, 2:28:58]: Mr. Aaron, you made a suggestion earlier. Uh I think if the council heard that could some about uh [2:28:58, 2:29:18]: A comment about coming b coming back if it approved tonight, you come back with some additional information? Uh John's gonna verify tomorrow what the uh a budget what the amount is in that in that fund. And if it's the seventy thousand dollars, which I know it is, then we it we get that information to you, but it's [2:29:18, 2:29:29]: pending on the money being available so that we can go ahead and pay the vendor. So well with that being said, you you almost like you don't really know if it's in there. So I think No the uh [2:29:30, 2:29:49]: I have assurance that the funding is there. And so but I just don't wanna we gotta wait till the next meeting, what that's two weeks from now, three weeks from now, whatever the next meeting to go ahead and pay for work that has been done. I mean the project has been completed. And it and it's a beautiful. So this is to pay for something that's already been done? [2:29:50, 2:30:03]: You know, the the conversation was uh as I recall when we discussed this, it was if it was determined that it could be paid from the hotel motel tax, then we move forward with the project. And and that's what we did. [2:30:04, 2:30:20]: Right. That's what that's the original discussion we had two years ago. It was approved by the council and voted on. Then then why didn't we do it? Then if that was the case, why didn't we do it? That's why we moved forward with the project. It was that we could pay for it out of that non [2:30:20, 2:30:27]: non restricted hotel motel tax. And so that's what we're using to pay for the project. [2:30:27, 2:30:47]: It but then I g I I kinda go back to what I was saying, if that's the case, if if you've already done that how did you PO the project without without the funds already being allocated? We don't have the PO, that's why we're coming now. So it was determined that it was it should have came back before it counts to get the resolution. So y'all done it or [2:30:47, 2:30:51]: No P.O. and then you come to council to pay for it. [2:30:51, 2:30:53]: Because the question was [2:30:54, 2:31:11]: Can it be paid out of the hotel and then but there's also but even Mr. Aaron, you know, even with that, there's still a process in place. Yes. There's not an urgency in place to do it. I realize that there's a process in place to make it happen. Yes. And that process is flawed right now. That's that that's been flawed. [2:31:11, 2:31:12]: So I mean [2:31:13, 2:31:14]: We um [2:31:14, 2:31:22]: We may have to so is there a motion? What's what's the motion for this particular item, Council? Um I think that my motion is [2:31:23, 2:31:25]: And in motion. Let's go for it. [2:31:27, 2:31:29]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. [2:31:29, 2:31:45]: It's already done. For me and and and Mr. Blount sort of hit the nail on the head. And and and I wanna re restate this and re-emphasize this because this practice, Mr. Aaron. [2:31:46, 2:31:47]: Should not happen again. [2:31:48, 2:31:52]: The work should never be done before. [2:31:52, 2:31:56]: The item has come before the council and and and and approved. [2:31:57, 2:32:14]: And I just wanna just go on record to say that even though the work now has been done and and somebody is is owed the the finances, you know, it leaves us with no choice. But I just wanna mention this process, we should never [2:32:16, 2:32:17]: Mr. City Manager. [2:32:19, 2:32:39]: It let me just it does not fall on the city manager, it falls on me. I take responsibility for it. But what happened though? The conversation was whether it could be paid out of hotel, motel tax. That was the biggest conversation. And if it could be, then we'd move forward with it. We just have to come back before. [2:32:38, 2:32:50]: for council and formally ratify it. Once we found out that it could, then we just we moved forward with the project because it was during the growing season. It wasn't we were trying to hide or circumvent anything. [2:32:50, 2:33:04]: We so that I would never accuse you of traffic. That was the conversation. The the mistake is I didn't bring it before council and say, hey, we can take the money, take the funds out of there and get approval, formal approval to do it. [2:33:05, 2:33:25]: All right. L let me say this. I just want to add some clarification to this. Two years ago the council did vote on this. We voted to approve these two projects ourselves. So I don't know, Ms. Dare, we did we did vote to approve these two projects uh on this dais. We voted to but it was two years ago. [2:33:25, 2:33:36]: So certainly we those stipulations were put into it that we would approve it contingent upon. It could be paid for out of the hotel motel tax. It was voted on and approved by the council. [2:33:36, 2:33:38]: Yeah, but Mr. Alexander. [2:33:39, 2:33:46]: We voted approve on many odds uh uh items that the funding sources identify. [2:33:46, 2:34:06]: But if it's over$50,000, that comes to the council for approval for the exact amount. We didn't approve$70, uh$158.96 because we didn't have$70,190, uh$58.96 before us. Every item that we bring before us has been approved and the [2:34:06, 2:34:15]: If under source had been approved, it just has to come to us to move forward. So that's how it works. So, how about we go and get a motion so we can move on? Is there a motion on the floor? [2:34:16, 2:34:17]: A motion, please. [2:34:18, 2:34:38]: The motion to do what? Well, I mean d we took it off the consent agenda. We had this plenty of discussion. So are we gonna approve are we gonna go forward and give a yay to this aspect of now? But here's the thing. The city now we're at a place where we've got to approve it. Okay. Or we'll find ourselves in litigation with Yellowstone for doing some work. I need a motion for a sort of thing. I need a motion. I'm asking for a motion. [2:34:38, 2:34:39]: So move. [2:34:40, 2:34:43]: To approve. So approved. So Okay. Is there a second emotion? [2:34:44, 2:34:47]: Okay, Mr. Bluson. On favor, please indicate. [2:34:48, 2:34:50]: Thank you, Mr. Mayor Cows. [2:34:50, 2:34:57]: Are you are you opposed uh approving or opposing? I approve it, but I do have a comment. Okay, it's is it's unanimously passed. Miss Barber has a comment. [2:34:59, 2:35:00]: Mr. Gardner. [2:35:01, 2:35:02]: Can you please come to the podium? [2:35:05, 2:35:08]: [9315.1, 9316.8]: Please, sir, help us. [2:35:17, 2:35:20]: With these kinds of expenses. [2:35:21, 2:35:23]: We need to hear from you. [2:35:23, 2:35:26]: Especially in these kind of situations. [2:35:30, 2:35:33]: I don't understand how a project has been completed. [2:35:33, 2:35:36]: That's beyond your spending authority. [2:35:37, 2:35:38]: It's already been completed. [2:35:38, 2:35:39]: In fact [2:35:39, 2:35:42]: The council had this discussion before you were hired. [2:35:43, 2:35:46]: I know this is not your responsibility. I mean it's not all on you. [2:35:47, 2:35:48]: I know that. [2:35:50, 2:35:51]: Please stop the bleeding. [2:35:52, 2:35:54]: This has got to stop. [2:35:54, 2:35:54]: Yes. [2:35:55, 2:35:57]: We cannot keep functioning. [2:35:57, 2:35:58]: This way. [2:35:59, 2:36:00]: That's all. [2:36:00, 2:36:01]: Thank you, sir. [2:36:01, 2:36:08]: All right, so council we had two of the item on the consent agenda, items number ten and eleven. Unless there's any type of [2:36:08, 2:36:27]: additional dis uh discussion, I would look for a motion to approve those two items. So move. Mr. Blount so moved. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Second. All favor please indicate. Those items passed unanimously. Okay. Fantastic. Public hearing item twelve, thirteen, fourteen will now be deferred till the uh thirteenth of November. [2:36:27, 2:36:30]: And uh so we have new business. [2:36:30, 2:36:44]: Council is uh consideration to approve the renewal of the city of Stockbridge on call sidewalk replacement and repairs contract with DAF contract incorporated in the amount of three hundred thousand dollars. FY twenty twenty-four budget. Mr. Aaron, please. [2:36:45, 2:37:05]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. Uh Public Works is coming before you tonight to ask for approval for a renewal of our contract for on-call sidewalk repair and maintenance with DAF contract. We budgeted$300,000 in the FY 2024 budget. This will also include work. [2:37:05, 2:37:17]: and recently annexed areas along with the current city limits of stock bridge. So we're asking for approval to renew the contract with DAL for sidewalk repair and maintenance. So move. [2:37:18, 2:37:25]: Sir second. Mr. Bunso moved that. Is there a second? Second. All right. Um Ms. Gantt. All in favor, please indicate. [2:37:25, 2:37:45]: It's unanimous decision. Thank you very much, Council. All right. Council consideration to approve the change order number one from diversified construction of Georgia for the WWTP pole barn project in the amount of$181,041 and three cents for the removal and replacement of unsuitable soil. [2:37:45, 2:37:55]: Soils PLOS five. Mr. Aaron, please. Yes, Mr. Mayor. Council. I have uh Mr. Brad Holzinger, our sewer superintendent who's managing this project for us, and he can speak to it. [2:37:57, 2:38:15]: Welcome Brad. Th thank you. Uh thank you, Mayor and Council. Uh this is too unsuitable soil, uh unforeseen to start with. Uh can't build build on it and we've really gone too far to turn around and say no. [2:38:18, 2:38:20]: Any questions for Brad at all, Council? [2:38:21, 2:38:21]: Yeah. [2:38:22, 2:38:35]: If not in your motion is to accept this proposal? So move. Mr. Blount, so moved. Is there a second? I second. Ms. Gantt second. All favor, please indicate. Fantastic, now the decision. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. [2:38:36, 2:38:50]: Council consideration to fill vacancies and appoint a member of the youth council advisory committee uh through um the s end of this year. Oh, excuse me, uh the end of twelve thirty one twenty-four, twenty twenty four. Miss Collie, please. [2:38:51, 2:38:59]: Uh good evening, Mayor and Council. Um we do have one vacancy on the youth council advisory committee and we do have one application. [2:39:00, 2:39:00]: Submit it. [2:39:01, 2:39:01]: Okay. [2:39:02, 2:39:03]: Miss Shawana Davis. [2:39:06, 2:39:10]: Mayor. Yes, sir. A motion to approve, Mr. Honor Davis. All right. Is there a second? [2:39:11, 2:39:15]: Second. Uh Mr Okay, Mr Thomas Segond, all in favor please indicate? [2:39:16, 2:39:30]: Damage decision, fantastic. Okay. And then the next one deals with uh Ms. Barber, you had you wanted to add an agenda in reference to two items uh for the uh that you want to use the Mural Manage Conference Center. I believe it is. [2:39:30, 2:39:32]: Yes, um [2:39:33, 2:39:43]: The month of October is breast cancer awareness month. I've partnered with several um medical professionals. Um and we're gonna host a breast [2:39:43, 2:39:45]: Friends event. [2:39:45, 2:39:49]: Um it will be a panel of medical professionals. [2:39:50, 2:39:50]: Um [2:39:51, 2:39:52]: On October second [2:39:53, 2:39:57]: We'll be using well, we're requesting to use a downstairs. [2:39:57, 2:39:59]: of the Merrill Manders Conference Center. [2:39:59, 2:40:01]: For the panel. [2:40:01, 2:40:03]: uh discussion on breast health. [2:40:04, 2:40:04]: Then [2:40:05, 2:40:07]: We're also gonna be [2:40:08, 2:40:13]: Using the Merlmanders downstairs, I'm partnering with women's imagery. [2:40:14, 2:40:19]: They're gonna be doing uh mammograms screenings on October ninth. [2:40:19, 2:40:23]: So I'm asking for use of the Merrill Manders Conference Center. [2:40:24, 2:40:25]: For both October second. [2:40:26, 2:40:28]: And both October ninth. [2:40:29, 2:40:30]: Both of them are on Mondays. [2:40:31, 2:40:36]: Okay. Uh uh second was Mr. Blount, so you second that. All in favor, please indicate. [2:40:37, 2:40:40]: Okay. [2:40:41, 2:40:45]: Alrighty. So what we have next are announcements. [2:40:48, 2:40:49]: Yeah. [2:40:49, 2:40:52]: Okay, one second please. [2:40:55, 2:40:57]: Citywide Development Authority meeting is too hold a second. [2:40:59, 2:41:19]: The citywide uh development authority meeting is second Tuesday of each month, six p.m. Uh City Hall Levi Meeting Room September twelfth. The downtown development authority meeting is third Tuesday of each month. And the Welcome Center at 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail Trail there, September 19th. U Council Advisory Committee meeting at 630 p.m. [2:41:19, 2:41:39]: P.M. third Tuesday of each month and Levi Meeting Room City Hall September 19th as well. City Council Work Session meeting last Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Council, September 26th. Planning Commission meeting 6:30, City Hall Council Chambers, fourth Thursday of each month, September 28th. Starbury Citizens Police Academy Council meeting first [2:41:39, 2:41:59]: First Thursday of each month, police precinct, 4545 North Henry Boulevard, communion room at 6 p.m. on October 5th. City Council meeting, second Monday of each month, 6 p.m. City Council Hall Chambers, October 9th. And then of course the youth council meeting, 6:30 p.m., second Monday of each month, City Hall Lead. [2:41:59, 2:42:01]: by meeting room October ninth as well. [2:42:03, 2:42:17]: Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. The Citywide Development Authority has canceled their meeting for September twelfth. Oh, is that right? Yes. And the Youth Council Advisory is going to have a special power meeting on September 14th. [2:42:17, 2:42:37]: Okay, fantastic. Though you just made those announcements there. All right. Uh I didn't realize that. Uh let's see here. Uh K for Main Street Advisory Board meeting the second Friday of each month. The Welcome Center at 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, uh 9 a.m. October 13th. [2:42:39, 2:42:59]: Upcoming city event. Uh join uh Mayor Mayor Pro Tem Barber for the next District 4 community forum on Thursday, September 14th at six from six p.m. to eight p.m. More Manos Conference Center located one eleven Davis Road. The Economic Development Strategy Strategic Plan Community Consensus Workshop will take place on Thursday. [2:42:58, 2:43:06]: September 14th from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. That's by way of Zoom. So we visit the website of the Stockbridge to log on for information. [2:43:07, 2:43:14]: Join Councilman Blount for Bingo Bash Wednesday, September twentieth from t uh ten AM to t uh noon. Ten AM to noon. [2:43:14, 2:43:17]: Merman is conference center located at 111 Davis Road. [2:43:18, 2:43:38]: Join Councilman Alfonso Thomas for the fifth annual first responders appreciation drive through luncheon. Recognizing dedication and sacrifice of Henry County's first responders, the event will take place on Thursday, September 21st, 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. in Mermanus Conference Center on 111 Davis Road. Join Mayor Ford for a monthly meet the mayor on Monday, September. [2:43:38, 2:43:57]: twenty fifth from ten a.m. to noon. Please contact Rawls and Rawls who schedule an appointment at 678-833-3348 or by way of email at R. Rawls at City of Stockbridge-GA dot Gov. Join the City of Stockbridge for the annual Bridge Fest Festival, taking place Saturday, September 30th at Stockbridge Amphitheater. [2:43:57, 2:44:10]: This is a free event with carniv carnival rides, food trucks, vendors, and con and a concert, of course. The gates open at three PM. Contract the events team is seven seven zero three eight nine five nine eight two for more information. [2:44:11, 2:44:18]: Join Councilwoman Gantt in partnership with the Southern Crescent Pearls Foundation of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorti Incorporated. Phi Salpha Phi. [2:44:19, 2:44:32]: Uh Sigma Phi Sigma Alpha Phi Sigma Psi Alpha Alpha Psi Alpha Omega. Geez, oh please forward. Phi Alpha Omega. Yes, and the chapter uh Business Matters, Entrepreneur and Black Business Ep Expo. [2:44:33, 2:44:48]: Saturday, October first, from eleven AM to five P. M. at Merle Manders Conference Center. And contact uh uh P A P A O Black Three Six Five at uh PSI Alpha Omega dot org for additional information. [2:44:49, 2:45:09]: Join Councilman Thomas for a Don't Trash Stockbridge initiative centered around education highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping. And then once again, Councilman Thomas for honoring the veterans a continued salute to all year long. Please send your pictures of veterans uh to the names and veterans of their names, branch, rank, and years of service to our ROS. [2:45:09, 2:45:29]: City of Stockbridge-G-A dot G O V. And join myself along with an activity I'm on Spartan on Saturday, September 28th, at Merle Manders Conference Center, 9 a.m. 12 noon. Empower as called Further Fathering, Empowering Men, Strengthening Families, and Transforming Communities. And that is an activity on Spartan. [2:45:29, 2:45:38]: sponsoring as well on that day, September twenty third, once again nine to noon for men. Actually is open to anybody. Okay, so on that note, uh [2:45:39, 2:45:59]: Please keep your uh get your tickets for upcoming uh 2023 Stockbridge Concert Series by visiting StockbridgeAMP.com or in person at the ticket office located at 4650 North Indian Boulevard. The ticket office is located, excuse me, is open from Thursday to Saturday, uh 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. And this upcoming weekend, we have [2:45:59, 2:46:19]: have uh baby face in stokely and uh the following weekend after that would be uh Stephanie Mills, Jeffrey Osborne and Micah Collier, and of course Priest Fest on the 30th of September, and then on the first of October, we have the Southern Soul Sh Soul show, which is already sold out, matter of fact. [2:46:19, 2:46:19]: Yeah. [2:46:19, 2:46:39]: It is definitely sold out. Um on my initial comments, uh obviously there's still a uh COVID is still out there. So uh I believe uh within the next several weeks, hopefully uh vaccination, additional vaccinations and boosters will be available for this new strain of COVID-19. So please adhere and get that so you can be safe and be healthy. [2:46:39, 2:46:59]: This aspect. Congratulations are uh in honor, I guess you may say, for a young lady, a 19-year-old that's uh born been raised here in Atlanta, Coco Golf, who win in the US Open and the youngest person to do this since uh Serena Williams, I think, did it in 1999, somewhere along those lines. So congratulations to uh George [2:46:59, 2:47:16]: Georgia resident in a sense, uh Atlanta native, Cocoa Golf. Um I believe that's all my uh Pacific comments. I do have a request for an exact session for personnel matters uh counsel if you if you if you honor to to have this discussion. Okay. [2:47:17, 2:47:18]: Mayor? Yes, ma'am. [2:47:19, 2:47:23]: I move that we go into the second session for personnel matters. Okay. Is there a second to that motion? [2:47:25, 2:47:27]: Is there a second to that motion? Yep. [2:47:27, 2:47:30]: Mr uh Alexander Segan, all in favor, please indicate. [2:47:31, 2:47:36]: Okay, I'll pose. Okay, that's f uh m Mr. Uh Thomas, you oppose, sir? [2:47:37, 2:47:44]: Okay, so otherwise four four zero one. I mean four one zero. All right, we'll we'll be back, ladies and gentlemen. [2:48:07, 2:48:22]: All right. There was no um former second session. There's nothing to report to the public this time uh at this moment, so I need a motion to end our council meeting. So moved. Ms. Kant, and Mr Mr. Thomas secondhand all in favor please indicate. All right, unanimous decision. Good night everybody. God bless you all.

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2023-08-29 source: 2023-08-29_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:25, 0:00:28]: Hey Council, this uh let's uh take our seats here and get started, please. [0:00:50, 0:00:58]: All right, ladies and gentlemen. Uh this is our council work session Tuesday, August twenty ninth. I'd like to have six oh one and like to call the meeting to order. [0:00:58, 0:01:00]: And please stand for the invocation. [0:01:02, 0:01:04]: And actually tonight I'm gonna do this, right? [0:01:05, 0:01:05]: Mm-hmm. [0:01:06, 0:01:26]: Lord can got continue to guide us and and work with us as we continue to do the city's business. The citizens want us to make good, solid decisions and what the betterment of our community in this aspect as well. Because always, Lord, to continue to have decent dialogue, understand the presentations, understand the presentations that are given to us, make good rational decisions. [0:01:25, 0:01:42]: as we continue to move the city forward. Be us always Lord in your name. Amen. Pledge allegiance to the flag, the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:01:43, 0:01:45]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:01:46, 0:01:51]: Mayor Ford? Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. [0:01:52, 0:01:55]: Present. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. [0:01:57, 0:02:09]: Let the record reflect Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a call. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh Council, I need a motion to accept the agenda, please. Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. [0:02:09, 0:02:12]: I'd like to um amend the agenda, please. [0:02:12, 0:02:23]: Okay, what is what item do you what do you I just want to do with the agenda to have a discussion um on a request to conduct a forensic audit. [0:02:25, 0:02:29]: Okay, one second. [0:02:29, 0:02:30]: To amend the agenda. [0:02:31, 0:02:32]: To have a discussion. [0:02:33, 0:02:34]: On a request. [0:02:35, 0:02:37]: To conduct a forensic audit. [0:02:38, 0:02:40]: Okay. It's okay. Is there a second to that mo motion? [0:02:42, 0:02:43]: Is there a second emotion? [0:02:44, 0:02:50]: There's not a second to the motion. I need a motion to uh adopt the agenda, please. So Mr. Blount, so moved. Is there a second? [0:02:50, 0:02:53]: Sorry. Mr. Alzheimer's secondhand. All in favor, please indicate. [0:02:54, 0:02:56]: Motion's approved uh unanimously. [0:02:57, 0:03:04]: Okay, and Council I'll need for you to review the draft minutes. You have the review of the council meeting minutes for July tenth. [0:03:04, 0:03:15]: of this year review of the public hearing uh draft minutes uh july eighteenth and also july oh eight twice on july eighteenth, one at nine AM, one at six PM and also the the [0:03:16, 0:03:18]: Review of the work session draft minutes on july twenty fifth. [0:03:19, 0:03:21]: And a public hearing drafting this on July twenty seventh. [0:03:22, 0:03:24]: I that was at nine AM. [0:03:24, 0:03:30]: And so review those and we'll be able to approve those at our next uh council meeting which is on set for September eleventh. [0:03:31, 0:03:42]: Madam Clerk, is there any public comments at all? Mayor Ford, there are no public comments. Okay. On that note, on that note we'll move on. Presentations, Park Master Plan Update presented by Mr. Aaron and TSW, please. [0:03:50, 0:04:01]: Yes, good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council. Good evening. Tonight we have Brian Bays and Miss Beverly Bale with TSW, and they will be presenting an update to the city's uh Parkmaster plan for your review. [0:04:03, 0:04:04]: Okay, thank you. [0:04:06, 0:04:11]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Welcome. Thanks for having us here tonight. Absolutely. No problem. [0:04:11, 0:04:31]: I'm Brian Bays with TSW. This is Beverly Bell, the project manager on this project. We've been engaged, as you know, now in this work for about a year and a half. And we wanted to bring a kind of update and presentation to you today on the work that we've [0:04:31, 0:04:51]: done. One critical uh aspect of the work um that we're that we really need action on uh is revolves around the budget uh and also the prioritization of uh park improvement. [0:04:51, 0:05:11]: So schedule-wise, you can see on the on the uh presentation, uh, these are kind of all the things that we've done. We've updated the schedule to show you where we are today, which is uh finalizing the action plan and funding uh after that uh or or after [0:05:10, 0:05:30]: After the plan is complete, but we've already started the preliminary schematic design for some of the parks based on the work that we've done in the master plan because it's not really impacted by the uh phasing uh at this point. So uh we're gonna give you a brief overview of the work that we've done today. [0:05:30, 0:05:50]: We're gonna show you again what the park plans look like, and then we're really gonna focus in on our kind of um I guess menu list of priorities and budgets. Uh you'll hear me say this a few times. Uh the numbers that we're [0:05:50, 0:06:08]: presenting uh are not final numbers. It's basically the cost if you did everything. And what we're seeking tonight or moving forward is a little bit of guidance on how you want to use capital to improve the parks. [0:06:12, 0:06:18]: Um, okay, so I'm gonna let Beverly talk a little bit about our uh efforts uh in the project. [0:06:19, 0:06:25]: All right, so as sorry. Um as you know we've done a lot of engagement and [0:06:26, 0:06:40]: beginning, I guess it's been a little over a year, we did all the engagement in twenty twenty three. We had uh four different steering committee meetings, we had three public input meetings and additional online surveys as well. [0:06:41, 0:06:56]: And so that engagement was really important to us. That helped inform the recommendations that you're about to see. We used that to get ideas of what the community wanted and then also helped to get priorities of what they wanted to see come in first for each of the parks. [0:06:58, 0:07:05]: So I'm gonna briefly go through each of the designs for the parks. These are y'all have seen these designs before, so I'll hit [0:07:05, 0:07:25]: A few of the key main points, and then at the end we can go back if you have questions about specific parks. So Memorial Park. Um so the main points of this is that first and foremost, upgrade and revitalize the existing park area. And then we're also looking at expanding the park area to the east and the city-owned [0:07:25, 0:07:39]: parcels and then creating that as a new park entrance and adding new park elements. We're also in addition upgrading the whole park to have some of those elements like the splash pad that were really desired by the community. [0:07:43, 0:08:03]: For Clark Park, we are expanding this parking area to meet some of those parking struggles that we've heard through this park. We're doing stream restoration, stream restoration and adding some of the other key park elements that the public felt would improve this park, such as the pickleball. [0:08:03, 0:08:23]: Tennis courts, new restrooms, instead of the large pavilion, clustering new medium-sized pavilions, relocating the dog park, exam expanding and updating the playground at Incommunity Park, and creating multifunctional food truck spaces. And then also, you'll see this with Gardner, we're looking at connection. [0:08:23, 0:08:25]: Connections between Clark Park and Gardner. [0:08:28, 0:08:36]: Uh this one is Gardner. So here the main elements are expanding the park to the south. Um as you can see in this parcel. [0:08:36, 0:08:43]: Uh we thought that that was important because it would add a new park entry and parking lot and that would provide a better ADA connection into the park. [0:08:44, 0:08:59]: In addition, there's an existing building in that parcel and that would help create a community center in that space. In addition to providing better entrance into the park, we're also proposing better ADA access throughout the key elements in the park. [0:09:00, 0:09:12]: Again, similar to the other parks, looking at stream restoration, adding things like restroom, updating the playground areas, and that connection piece to um Clark and then also to Cochrane. [0:09:15, 0:09:31]: Here for the Reeves Creek Trailhead, uh, we're looking at adding new sidewalk that actually connects into uh the future Flip and Road side path. Um we're adding a new restroom since that was highly desired by the public, adding shade at the fitness area. [0:09:31, 0:09:38]: Adding trailhead information kiosk that would provide inform um interpretive educational signage along the trail as well. [0:09:38, 0:09:44]: And then bike parking station, benches, and dogway stations, and also incorporating public art. [0:09:47, 0:09:58]: So those are the changes to the existing parks. Um as a part of this study, as you know, we also looked at um how much parkland is needed um to bring Stockbridge up to [0:09:58, 0:09:59]: Uh [0:09:59, 0:10:06]: those national standards at a ten-year increment and looking at the annexed population with an annual growth rate. [0:10:06, 0:10:26]: Um, so these are the numbers. Um, so for today's population, you would need 37 acres to get up to that standard uh with the annexed population, which was approved, is the 103 acres, 6.28 miles of trails. But we're really focusing on that uh 10-year number for this study, and that's the 150. [0:10:26, 0:10:27]: fifty six acres. [0:10:29, 0:10:38]: So at our last public meeting, we talked to the public about what size park uh that that would work that they felt like would be most appropriate for Stockbridge. [0:10:38, 0:10:46]: and collected input on that. And what the we heard from the community is that the community park size was the most desirable size. [0:10:47, 0:11:02]: So the way that we propose breaking out that 156 acres is with five new community parks at about 30 acres per size. And these, what a community park is, it's a larger park that serves multiple neighborhoods and it draws from a broader area. [0:11:03, 0:11:21]: And we're proposing that each of the parks would have a typical set of clay elements such as playground, open lawn, pavilions, walking paths, benches, and a restroom. But then also each of these parks could have their own unique elements that would be worked out in a further planning stage with the public. [0:11:21, 0:11:28]: Um and also by doing these five thirty acre parks, it allows for equitable distribution of parks throughout the community. [0:11:31, 0:11:42]: So here's a example of what some of those unique elements could look like. Uh so we're thinking that each of these parks could have a theme. You could have a sports park. [0:11:42, 0:12:02]: A multi-use park, a nature park, adventure park, and community park. In some of these, we came up with this list of programmatic elements based on what we heard from the community, what they really wanted to see, and then also the amount of uh elements that would help bring Stockbridge up to that uh national standard. But again, for each of these parks, [0:12:02, 0:12:11]: Parks they'll have to have their own design process that will really work with the community to decide what's appropriate for the exact location it's in. [0:12:13, 0:12:19]: Um so we also looked at where in the community would be the best location for these parks. [0:12:20, 0:12:29]: Uh we did not get down to parcel specific locations. Instead, we developed these uh circles that you can see on the map that are recommended vicinity areas. [0:12:29, 0:12:32]: That are about one mile um long. [0:12:32, 0:12:39]: And this is again, we're looking at areas making sure that there's an equitable distribution throughout the community for these new parks. [0:12:39, 0:12:55]: And we're prioritizing areas that are outside of the existing twenty-minute walk shed. Um as you can see on the map, these turquoise areas, that's the walkshed. So these are pri prioritizing areas where there's not already a a park that's walkable for people. [0:12:58, 0:13:18]: Here are the new trails. So for the trails, our goals were to we looked at the uh the existing trails master plan and we looked at the trails that were already proposed by the county. Um then we looked at connecting into those, connecting the existing parks to downtown and the amphitheater, connecting to schools. [0:13:18, 0:13:24]: community resources and public green spaces, and then also connecting to those future park spaces. [0:13:30, 0:13:50]: Okay. Um now that you kind of have a an overview of uh the parks and kind of what we're talking about. Um we can kind of dive into you know some of our ideas about phasing. Uh I do want to reiterate one thing before I jump into this. So uh all the [0:13:50, 0:14:10]: programming for these parks are were came from an exhaustive public input uh process, uh working with this group for input uh and other stakeholders in the city to understand what uh the needs and desires are for these parks. Um [0:14:10, 0:14:30]: And then we uh cross-referenced that with national standards, uh, which is where you know the idea for some of this park acreage need kind of comes from. So we looked at your peers, and you know, what we're saying is that your peers have this much on average park. [0:14:30, 0:14:37]: land for you to come up to that standard, that's what we've kind of outlined today. [0:14:38, 0:14:43]: Uh and we also looked at that uh programmatically. So um [0:14:43, 0:15:03]: So short-term phases, phase one and two. You know, what we heard, you know, uh was that there was an immediate need to address issues at the existing parks. Um and really in the first uh first two phases were focused on Memorial Gardener uh and [0:15:03, 0:15:23]: And uh Clark Park. And you know, we have a really detailed breakdown of um you know what the phases of sub phases of work are uh and costs. And I'm not gonna get into the details of that, but we have provided the details of that information uh to you so that you can. [0:15:23, 0:15:43]: Can drill down into that if you wish to. It's pretty extensive. So for phase one and two, we're focused mostly or almost entirely on the existing parks. We do have a couple columns here for financials. Some of the things that we're recommending. [0:15:43, 0:16:03]: recommending are already funded. The first column for phase one, you know, almost$11 million is kind of the overall budget. You've already got one point almost$1.5 million in funding earmarked from the SPLOST to cover some of that work. It may include trails. [0:16:03, 0:16:05]: Uh as well. [0:16:06, 0:16:16]: Um phase two uh same uh is the same uh thing and it doesn't look like we have a total uh on those, but um uh [0:16:17, 0:16:37]: For trails, the priority was provide north-south connectivity. So we want to c connect the existing parks, uh north-south, east, and west. And there are also some neighborhoods uh that we're trying to connect to as well uh to make them more walkable. And then I think the last thing is uh in phase two. [0:16:37, 0:16:55]: uh which we've heard gotten a lot of feedback on is that uh land acquisition for the new park or a new park uh in the Eagles Landing area uh was a very popular uh item that people uh wanted s to support in the public. [0:16:56, 0:17:10]: Uh the midterm phases. Uh so this is kind of the four to seven year range. Um uh we're we'd like to focus on land acquisition and design and construction for two new parks. [0:17:10, 0:17:11]: Um [0:17:11, 0:17:31]: So that would include design and construction uh for the Eagles Landing Park that we uh did land acquisition for in phase uh two, and then uh acquiring land for the Walt Stevens Highway area and Eagles uh Landing Parkway uh area, which is uh separate from that first one. [0:17:32, 0:17:52]: Uh finish the final phases of the existing parks. So each of the existing parks had multiple phases and we prioritize those phases within the parks. So this for the second half of the first four to seven, or the second half of the first one to seven years, we'd focus on finishing that work out. [0:17:52, 0:18:04]: And for trails, we want to achieve additional connections to existing parks and focus on extending trails to the two new parks that we've now identified. [0:18:07, 0:18:27]: This is a 10-year plan. I didn't mention that. Um, but uh which is an important piece of information. So on the back half of the of the um of the 10 years, uh we'll focus on land acquisition for the other two new parks, uh and do final phases of uh Gardner Clark Memorial Park. [0:18:27, 0:18:43]: and the Reeves Creek Trailhead. And then again look at trail connections to those existing parks as well. Or the sorry the new parks that are in that long-term plan. [0:18:46, 0:19:06]: That's an overview. And um I think uh and and if we need to drill down into any more details, we do have we kind of appended the plans on here if we need to talk about that. But uh I guess I guess one of the things that we're really looking for moving forward, because the the bulk of the analysis and [0:19:06, 0:19:26]: And the designs and the plan is complete. I think we've given or we're giving you a menu of phases and priorities. So the first thing you know we want to know is what is a reasonable budget, yearly budget, or 10 years. [0:19:26, 0:19:46]: year budget, uh and then the second thing, how do we apply that? And we've we've kind of we've kind of in our minds thought that there's probably two ways to tackle this. Um the first way is just to say we want to do everything and you know if you want to do that, the funding needs 141 million dollars. That's a big number. So [0:19:46, 0:20:06]: So I think this the second way that we are thinking about this is, you know, maybe you look at the first one to five years and what the funding looks like for that, because a lot of your existing SPLOSS funds will be used to complete some of that work. And then potentially. [0:20:06, 0:20:26]: Potentially re potentially do a planned update at five years based on the success of that work, and then consider the last five-year budget and phasing at that point. So those are kind of the two, those are our two options. You don't, you know, you don't have to do those, but I think the second one. [0:20:26, 0:20:37]: probably makes sense as a kind of cautious approach uh uh to doing it and the first one's just going for it. All right. Mr. Blount, please, what kind of questions you have, sir? Yeah, thank you, Mayor. [0:20:38, 0:20:58]: Um thank you for your presentation. Um and we're just mindful that it this is an overall master plan that we're absolutely looking at. Um from the parking from now that you have at Memorial Park, with this design, how much parking [0:20:58, 0:20:59]: would increase. [0:21:00, 0:21:02]: Oh, let's go back to that slide. [0:21:03, 0:21:10]: Because you're looking at adding more amenities, but how many how much parking are you is in there for the [0:21:11, 0:21:17]: So this over here we would have approximately a hundred and five spaces. And then over here [0:21:19, 0:21:35]: I think that says eighty, eighty spaces. Um and I don't off the top of my head know how many are out there. Um we did look at that, but this is significantly increasing the So you would have a total of hundred and eighty five parking spaces at least? Almost two hundred. Yep, almost two hundred. [0:21:36, 0:21:46]: Okay. Uh in the Eagles Landing area, we y uh we h we hear a lot about a park. Where would where would you put the park to to maintain the city of Stockbridge? [0:21:50, 0:21:55]: Uh we don't have a s we didn't look at specific parcels, um but [0:21:55, 0:22:05]: Uh one one reason we did choose these areas is that we did run um a susceptible to ch ability to change for the parcels. So that was looking at [0:22:05, 0:22:09]: parcels where there was kind of the amount of acreage and then that the [0:22:10, 0:22:30]: That there was uh the land value was more valuable than the structure that was on there. And so that these areas did contain some of those parcels, but I can't see off the top of my head the direct number of or where the parcel would be located. Well that's because that's been the argument because to facilitate that area. [0:22:30, 0:22:40]: This question's been asked almost three years, three or four years. You could want something, but how do you facilitate it? You know, and [0:22:40, 0:22:44]: Івен івенна, презентація. [0:22:45, 0:22:47]: And you name a park and you name the area. [0:22:48, 0:22:50]: Without us identifying [0:22:50, 0:22:52]: any probable areas to have it. [0:22:52, 0:22:58]: Then now we get the phone calls. Oh oh you guys gotta plan for part where? So if we don't know [0:22:58, 0:23:05]: And we're paying you all and you don't know. Uh we probably want to keep that out of our presentation until we find a place for it. [0:23:05, 0:23:16]: Because there's no I I have no idea where we what we would do it. I may maybe you know, maybe one of my colleagues do. I just don't. In to all in order to maintain it in the city limits of Stockbridge, so [0:23:17, 0:23:37]: Yeah, and I I agree. I mean, that's one of the reasons we tried to keep th this slide in particular fairly general, um, because we don't we don't know. Uh, and that really identifying the a parcel is the next step. I will say that what one of the things so uh besides the susceptibility [0:23:37, 0:23:57]: Study, which which we do have an exhibit on that. We don't have it with us, but we can definitely we've shared it, but we can definitely reshare it like individually. Um it does look at it at the parcel level. Um and I think the other thing is the cost that we've put in the budget does actually take into account property values in [0:23:57, 0:24:02]: [1442.9, 1447.2]: It accounts for it, but I I agree we don't have a specific parcel yet. [0:24:07, 0:24:13]: 'Cause I think that's another level of f you know, fine grain that that we're just not to yet. [0:24:14, 0:24:16]: Ms. Alexander, great please. [0:24:17, 0:24:19]: Uh thank you sir for the presentation. [0:24:21, 0:24:41]: Charge was was to generally find to put together this expansive plan. We understand we're not gonna be able to finance it all at one time. I think the goal was to just identify and get us a high level plan that we could bring down uh to the ground level uh incrementally at [0:24:41, 0:25:01]: Different points. And I do think that you know things do happen and evolve, particularly in my area. We're looking at adding additional acreage to annexation. And some of those developments very well could include a park. Unfortunately, we ended up with a uh a logistics. [0:25:01, 0:25:21]: Center in the area, but on the other side of that, we're gonna end up with a new park uh on Jotoko Road. So, you know, we we took the sour grapes and we made the best of it. And so now we'll have a new park on Johtoco with dog park and lighting and benches and maybe even some pickle bars. [0:25:21, 0:25:41]: We hope we'll see what happens as that goes along. But I appreciate the work that you did and understanding the council is going to have to make the ultimate decisions on when the plan is to be implemented and then at what pace, looking at the budget, working with the city manager. To me, you've done your job. [0:25:41, 0:26:01]: job, which is you brought it to us, you've given us a concept of where we can go. Now it would be up to the city, the city manager, his team to implement the plan and for us to decide on what the budgetary things are. Because that would be no way for you to determine what the budgetary constraints were. When you throw out a bill [0:26:01, 0:26:21]: Big number like a hundred million dollars, we know certainly we can't afford to do that at this point, but certainly over through the course of time, we will be endeavoring to pursue every available dollar uh through the federal, state, local, and DNR. [0:26:21, 0:26:35]: and all of those organizations which are helping us. Uh certainly uh we expect the Path Foundation will be coming to the table, the premier organization to help us with the trails. And uh we already have in conversations with them. [0:26:35, 0:26:55]: So I think your charge was to make sure that we had some connectivity amongst the existing parts and to improve them uh what they were or as they were. As you added a added a um a um a restroom to Reed's Creek Trail. That is something that's been [0:26:55, 0:27:10]: very much needed. Certainly you added the cover to the ex outside exercise equipment. I would like to see that outside exercise equipment in various uh parks. That's an amenity that in general that the public is very desirous of. [0:27:11, 0:27:31]: And to determine that. Now again, I think we have identified some other land that has come to us as via donation. Uh in the flip and roll project, there was about ther I think uh twenty five or thirty acres that they were gonna donate to us uh in that one. Uh I think uh excuse me, Mapro Timbarber. [0:27:31, 0:27:51]: Identified some land that uh a company wants to uh potentially donate to us. I don't know if we want to name them at this point, but certainly those opportunities exist. And even in developments that are uh moving their ways through, uh there should be park space in some of the new developments. [0:27:51, 0:28:11]: developments, including the Jodico development and other developments, there should be some available park parking parks or some type of amenities in there in those large swaths of land. So I think we do require a lot of that in our actual zoning code to be able to incorporate that. But you you've [0:28:10, 0:28:12]: [1692.6, 1712.6]: the the overall plan, we just gotta go back in and look at it and prioritize and see which exactly uh what exactly needs to happen. And I think tonight we're gonna start that discussion on some of the potential potential legs of that and what is to be completed. And I think, you know, we just had a budget [0:28:32, 0:28:50]: retreat where we had all the projects that were kind of templated out, but there wasn't hadn't been a as you said, there had not been a final decision on when those projects were going to take place. So we will have to do that because certainly I know I'm desirous of I know I love downtown too. [0:28:50, 0:29:10]: But I certainly want to see something take place uh in my district as well. And I'm sure each council member would like to see something take place uh in their district for their constituents, cause folks are asking, What are we doing over here? What are you doing? And I think that that cannot go uh uh unnoticed for what we're doing. But the best part about [0:29:10, 0:29:30]: it is as you saw when you looked over the numbers we got twenty two million dollars on in trails uh in the T-SPLOST. That's a beautiful position to be in for us. And then we have uh some other spLOS money to be able to use otherwise. But I just want to say to you thank you for the work that you have done and just point us in the right direction [0:29:30, 0:29:45]: And we'll have to on what uh the connectivity uh on on the trails on the parks and then the equipment improv improvement because the existing parks is where the low hanging fruit is that we can take advantage of and run with this plan from day one. Thank you. [0:29:46, 0:30:06]: Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. Thank you. He was gonna respond, Mario. I think he was I'm sorry. I think he was gonna respond. Okay. Did you mind if I just add one thing? One thing I didn't mention. We do as part of our scope, um, have in the first five years, uh, we can identify grant opportunities like as part of this work. [0:30:06, 0:30:26]: Um and if if there are donations of land or other things, that can be used as a match towards, you know, developing uh some of these projects. I just wanted to just put that out there as a reminder. So it's good if that's happening, we can match that up with those opportunities. Certainly. Please I wanna. [0:30:25, 0:30:32]: We would certainly like that to happen every d every available dollar. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Thomas, please. [0:30:32, 0:30:41]: Thank you. I was um about to ask about the grant opportunity, but let me say that Councilman Alexander pretty much [0:30:41, 0:30:42]: Took all of my [0:30:43, 0:30:49]: talking points and my questions. But uh I am on the same page w with a lot of that. [0:30:49, 0:30:52]: Um, but I do thank you all for [0:30:53, 0:30:54]: Accomplishing [0:30:54, 0:31:01]: uh what this council has asked you all to do. And and and now it is up to us [0:31:02, 0:31:03]: Mm. [0:31:04, 0:31:17]: My concern though is, and it is budgetary, and the councilman mentioned we just uh completed a budget retreat, but we didn't get into this. Um [0:31:27, 0:31:31]: Am I hearing the echo? No, no, go ahead, sir. Um go go ahead, Mr. Thomas. [0:31:32, 0:31:32]: Um [0:31:39, 0:31:43]: Hello, is there anybody out there? Go ahead, please. Okay. Um [0:31:47, 0:31:50]: Mm my concern is uh budgetary. Um [0:31:53, 0:31:59]: Uh m uh uh please, um Jesus. Mr. Thomas I'm sorry, quite a policeman. [0:32:01, 0:32:21]: We are at a point where we are um speaking budget, as you may or may not know. We just initiated a millage. So, but I will say that when and if this is accomplished, this [0:32:21, 0:32:39]: is a great great uh quality of life for the city of Stockbridge without a doubt. Um I mean this is this would just be fantastic. So I I I I do agree that we have to come together [0:32:39, 0:32:45]: and really lay this out. Uh and I will say that uh mister Aaron [0:32:46, 0:32:56]: Is Mr. Air still here? Yeah, he is. And I and I do want to thank you, sir. I know uh you reached out to uh Mrs. Rawls, our executive, and you attempted to [0:32:57, 0:33:09]: uh get us to respond to a survey and and uh and unfortunate, you know, we really didn't get too deep into that, but that would have been a what would have been a process for us to get started. [0:33:10, 0:33:30]: But I think from today, and I know this is just a presentation today, and I know that there are some decisions we we have to make. So um I'm going to ask counsel um to go along with me and and let's direct the city manager and finance. [0:33:30, 0:33:41]: And I know we're getting ready to go into the um budget cycle in the last quarter of this year, but I think we got we have to do some serious um [0:33:41, 0:33:44]: prioritizing not only about [0:33:44, 0:33:46]: The park plan itself [0:33:47, 0:34:02]: but the overall city operations. Uh, and there are a number of capital projects that's that's on the table. So I think we we really have to be serious about how do we look at the overall [0:34:03, 0:34:10]: budget for the city of Stockbridge and how does this fits into that? [0:34:11, 0:34:16]: uh and and we are some some challenging time as far as uh budget wise. [0:34:16, 0:34:20]: But I will I am encouraged and I will say that we need to [0:34:21, 0:34:23]: uh look at the low hanging. [0:34:24, 0:34:26]: Uh what can we accomplish in [0:34:26, 0:34:27]: Now [0:34:27, 0:34:33]: Um at a minimum and I I think you sorta indicated that in your presentation as well. [0:34:33, 0:34:41]: So, uh uh Mr. Gardner and I don't know how you and your staff will sort of come back to the council with this, but [0:34:42, 0:34:43]: I think we have to [0:34:44, 0:34:45]: Segment. [0:34:45, 0:34:49]: um this in some kind of way and identify [0:34:50, 0:35:10]: What can we do in in in phase one uh within a budget constraint um that we can do and make sure that we are moving forward toward the overall goal? And I know we're talking about a a a ten year plan, but what can we accomplish uh [0:35:10, 0:35:25]: in the next, you know, one, two, three, four years. And I know you indicated here and I made a note, um phase one through four, sixty eight million dollars. Now that's that's still a a a pretty big challenge, but um [0:35:25, 0:35:45]: But I would agree that we do need to uh tackle this head on, identify the low-hanging, and try just to accomplish that. Uh I would not recommend we just look at this and say, well, this is too big and let's wait. Um, let's just see what we can accomplish. But um [0:35:46, 0:36:06]: My recommendation to the city manager is uh let's be serious about uh the overall budget and how does this this fit in. And I think we need to set some some priorities, not only within the the park plan, but across the board. [0:36:06, 0:36:15]: What is the number one? What is the number two? And then even when we get to the park plan, what is number one within this goal? [0:36:16, 0:36:22]: And I and I think this is how we really need to approach this. But I do wanna thank you and and commend you for [0:36:22, 0:36:30]: Um doing exactly what we had asked you all to do. Cause and this is great. And I know for sure that our citizen. [0:36:31, 0:36:51]: If we when I'm not gonna say if, I'm gonna say when uh we accomplish this 100%, uh this is gonna be fantastic for the quality of life here in the city of Stockbridge. I yeah back, Mayor thank you. No problem, appreciate it. I appreciate your presentation as well. And um it's it's great that that did you accomplish this particular mission, which we asked you to do. [0:36:51, 0:37:11]: do and obviously we have a little bit more work to do internally in this aspect and looking at each one of the phases. And my initial thoughts are simply that of course with phase one, looking at trail network, connecting uh the uh the the the parks to one another and the parks to our communities and the low-hanging fruit in a sense is updating those current parks themselves. [0:37:11, 0:37:31]: In this aspect, and then eventually look to spread out and look at land acquisition that we don't have right now for any future locations as identified in the draft that you have here. That's where my my initial thoughts are. But obviously as a collective unit in reference to the council making a decision on that and and what's uh what's within the budgetary requirements of all this. [0:37:31, 0:37:35]: So anyway, good deal. [0:37:35, 0:37:50]: Oh if not, then thank you very much. Uh appreciate it. And uh obviously you'll eventually see the good uh the results of your good work come to fruition over the course of these years. All right? All right, thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks very much. Thank you. Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. Uh b before they actually [0:37:51, 0:37:52]: You want to [0:37:53, 0:37:55]: Mr. Garner, and and I really don't want us to [0:37:56, 0:38:00]: Sort of let a lot of time lapse in this. But so Mr. Gardner. [0:38:00, 0:38:01]: Um [0:38:01, 0:38:05]: With this presentation and I guess even with the council, but [0:38:05, 0:38:06]: Um [0:38:08, 0:38:14]: And it and it may be too premature for you to indicate at this point, but um [0:38:15, 0:38:17]: Will you some way somehow [0:38:18, 0:38:29]: look at this and and and come back to council, whether through emails or however you wanna do it, and let's sort of identify, you know, [0:38:30, 0:38:44]: what we can do um now, uh, phase one, uh within, you know, the the budget constraints,'cause I would not want this just to uh just just delay now, even though [0:38:45, 0:39:02]: Be honest with you, I I I just don't know. Um looking at the total budget and what we have on the table already, without this plan being any part of it, we are we're challenged right now. So I I just I don't know how we can even [0:39:03, 0:39:07]: incorporate this into what's already on the table. [0:39:07, 0:39:15]: And and and I I think it just has to be uh a discussion. So my my point to the city manager is [0:39:15, 0:39:29]: Let's let's try to discuss it and let's try to prioritize, you know, what we actually gonna do here going forward because I think this is great when we can do it. But uh I just think that we need to be about [0:39:29, 0:39:30]: The work [0:39:31, 0:39:34]: And not let idle time just just go by. [0:39:35, 0:39:36]: Thank you. [0:39:36, 0:39:56]: Mary. Yes, sir. To follow up on that, I certainly agree with those comments. And what I'd like to say in addition to that is we're about to embark upon SPLOS 6. So SPLOS 6 certainly would be an opportunity for us to fund uh some of these additional projects. Um and the community we already know what the community [0:39:56, 0:40:15]: wants because they've already we've already had the surveys and they've told us what they want. So certainly that would be an opportunity and we already have uh as we'll see and discuss later on today all the trail projects. So some of the projects that you have in here are already planned uh in the T splot. [0:40:16, 0:40:33]: Thank you, Mr. Alexander, for stealing some of the thunder that I was gonna respond back to. But yes. So as I mentioned at at our budget retreat, um as it comes to Splosics, we have to par characterize the different areas that we want to see. [0:40:34, 0:40:54]: Um fund it whether it's transportation or infrastructure or um buildings or whatever. The staff will work obviously to put some guidelines together for you guys. Because remember, we're coming up on having that letter sent to us the probably the end of next month, beginning of October, where the counties wanna know exactly. [0:40:54, 0:40:58]: exactly what we're gonna do as part of this plus so those discussions will happen. [0:40:58, 0:41:09]: We'll be working across those different areas to give ideas to council on, hey, these are the things that we think we need to fund over the next five years as part of this as part of the SPLOSS program. [0:41:09, 0:41:12]: And and moving forward, as they say, this it's a teen year plan. [0:41:13, 0:41:33]: You know, if we able to accomplish some of those good things, those low hanging fruits that the people can then see, touch and and activate, that helps when the next plus seven comes to continue the funding of these projects moving forward. So yes, it's gonna be a multi-year process and a multi-year funding um opportunities as well as what we can budget as part of the general. [0:41:33, 0:41:41]: Fund and grant opportunities. So we'll definitely look to be giving you guys those lists around those different categories so we can move forward with the SPLOS project. [0:41:42, 0:41:48]: All right. Okay. If there are no other comments, thank you for your presentation. We appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. [0:41:48, 0:41:49]: Mm-hmm. [0:41:49, 0:42:09]: What's next uh next council is a consent agenda. We've got two items on the consent agenda. Council uh council consideration approved a resolution appointing Steve Mitcher as the city's poet Larrogate. Uh Lorrogate, I guess how you pronounce them, and so presented by myself and Mr. Washington, and that aspect. And uh I know that uh Mr. Misher has come [0:42:09, 0:42:29]: forward and and identify the fact that he had an interest in in doing this. And I believe he's also had some conversation with uh Mr. Thomas as well. And um and so we uh obviously it seems like it could be a great thing to do in this aspect. And then the next item for consent agenda was the council consideration to allow the economic development department to use money [0:42:29, 0:42:35]: [2555.5, 2575.5]: uh from nine AM to three PM to host a home ownership seminar that would be uh presented by Mr. Lawrence as well. Um so obviously uh Mr. Lance as well as uh uh Mr. Washington are both here but it's on a consent agenda I don't know whether or not uh you uh okay so move so move okay [0:42:55, 0:42:58]: Mr. OK. Second to hear. All in favor, please in okay. [0:42:58, 0:43:01]: Uh um Mr. Blount and then and Mr. Alexander? [0:43:02, 0:43:03]: All very pleasant okay? [0:43:04, 0:43:06]: Can you now succeed? Thank you very much, Council. Appreciate that. [0:43:09, 0:43:29]: All right, new business. Uh council consideration uh to approve Davis Road Shields Roads Century Oaks Intersection Improvement Plan. Options prepared by Falcon Design. LLC option one cost estimate uh twenty-six thousand seven hundred thirty dollars, and option two is estimated at thirty-five thousand nine. [0:43:29, 0:43:49]: ninety dollars. Funny source is plus five. Uh mister Aaron, please. Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. Staff was requested to look at the intersection of Shields Road, Davis Road, and Century Oaks Court to how we can make that a safer intersection with the development that's coming in the area. So there are two [0:43:49, 0:44:03]: Two options. One was requested to have the flashing stop signs and one would just have the regular stop signs, but we'll also put in some additional signage and rumble strips alerting drivers to the upcoming stop signs. [0:44:03, 0:44:05]: And so [0:44:05, 0:44:25]: After consulting with our engineer, we thought it would be best to go with the the regular stop signs because they're only$600 each. The flashing stop signs are$2,500 each. So every time you change these stop signs, you typically change them every five to seven years. You're gonna look at spending$2,400 versus spending. [0:44:25, 0:44:42]: And I think we can get the same benefit because there's no data that suggests that people are more likely to stop because there's a light flashing around the stop sign. So well we present these two options, but our recommendation is option one. [0:44:43, 0:44:56]: Okay. Council, any questions? Uh thank you, Mr. Aaron. A question for Mr. Aaron. Yeah. You go right in please. Not really a question but a comment, since this area is the area within the district that I represent. [0:44:57, 0:45:01]: А вмет в северо хомонис олонг Шілз Род. [0:45:01, 0:45:04]: And Davis wrote, Thank you, Mr Aaron. [0:45:04, 0:45:08]: for going out, taking a look and assessing that area. [0:45:08, 0:45:11]: Ам, воневрем і на іря, а ноти. [0:45:11, 0:45:12]: Um [0:45:12, 0:45:14]: People run those stop signs. [0:45:14, 0:45:15]: They do. [0:45:15, 0:45:17]: I said every time I go there. [0:45:17, 0:45:20]: Every time I visit that area [0:45:20, 0:45:22]: There's always a [0:45:23, 0:45:25]: Accident waiting to happen. [0:45:26, 0:45:31]: Every single time I go there, um, they requested the solar powered [0:45:31, 0:45:37]: stop signs. I believe because of the angle or the alignment of the roads. [0:45:37, 0:45:39]: That may be the reason why. [0:45:39, 0:45:48]: Most people don't recognize that there is stop signs on the other two or three sides of the streets. [0:45:49, 0:45:55]: So I believe having flashing um stop signs or caution lights. [0:45:55, 0:45:57]: Um just making them aware. [0:45:57, 0:46:00]: when they come to that area or as they're approaching the area. [0:46:01, 0:46:02]: That would help. [0:46:02, 0:46:06]: Um, most folks don't realize that there are stop signs there. [0:46:07, 0:46:08]: Until they get there. [0:46:11, 0:46:22]: But thank you. I appreciate your recommendation. I'd like to appeal to the council. Please honor the request of the homeowners who live in that area. I understand um [0:46:22, 0:46:32]: Um the cheapest route would be just to get regular stop signs, but the solar power stop sign that area is heavily traveled. [0:46:32, 0:46:35]: In fact, the council approved a new development. [0:46:35, 0:46:37]: That's gonna be constructed there. [0:46:37, 0:46:40]: within within the next two years. [0:46:40, 0:46:42]: That's increased traffic. [0:46:42, 0:46:43]: In the area. [0:46:44, 0:46:53]: So I'm asking and appealing to my councilmates to honor the request of the homeowners who live in that area. Thank you. Can I make one additional comment? [0:46:53, 0:47:13]: In instead of the we can put a a flashing light instead of the stop sign, cause every five to seven years when those signs fade, you got to replace the whole sign. You can put a flashing red light alerting people that they're gonna have to stop. And so it's independent of the sign so that you're not spending twenty five hundred dollars every [0:47:13, 0:47:27]: on every sign, if somebody hits the sign that's$2,500, I think you can have a flashing light that's independent of a stop sign and you'd get the same desired effect of notifying people that there is a stop sign there. [0:47:27, 0:47:32]: Thank you, sir. I'm sure they would be um open to that suggestion as well. In fact [0:47:32, 0:47:34]: That is the first suggestion that they made. [0:47:35, 0:47:39]: I believe you responded and said there were no power lines to connect. [0:47:40, 0:47:51]: A flashing caution light. They would which is why they came back with the idea. They would be solar power flashing lights, just like the speed limit sign. So you can have [0:47:51, 0:47:54]: Um do you have an cost estimate? [0:47:54, 0:48:14]: We can get that for you, but uh I think it'll be reasonable. It wouldn't be as expensive. You wouldn't have to change it out as often as as you would the regular the regular stop sign. But we all understand that there's gonna be some maintenance required because there's a light and things of that sort. But uh the caution the flashing caution lights. [0:48:14, 0:48:19]: They would be amenable to that. Okay. So I appreciate it. [0:48:19, 0:48:30]: Sir. Mr. Alzheimer, go ahead, please. Let me answer your question. So Miss Barber, you have observed this tremendous sounds like a really bad safety issue. So what is the chief saying about this? [0:48:32, 0:48:42]: That's a question you should be asking Mr. Gardner or the Chief. These were concerns that I addressed when that proposal for that development came forward a couple of months ago. [0:48:43, 0:48:54]: the safety concerns of that intersection. Well, I understand that, but I'm saying you said you had witnessed Absolutely. So you reported this to the chief that you witnessed the stop circle. I told them I told you all. [0:48:55, 0:49:15]: When we um had that development presented to us, I told you then all of the homeowners who were here, they expressed their concerns. Well, Mr. Gardner, so is there something that we could do to uh have the SPD to kind of monitor that situation where if there's people actually out there running [0:49:15, 0:49:28]: in the SOP sign on a regular basis. What it sounds like to me, it's a it's a enforcement issue in addition to that, because I could put I don't know how many lights out there, but if I'm gonna ignore the light, I'm gonna ignore the light. [0:49:31, 0:49:34]: Uh yes sir, we can ask for for the P D to monitor that area. [0:49:34, 0:49:54]: Um for traffic, but remember we also have other traffic areas. I think the council member is correct when she said the the issue is the offset of the the four way stop. Mm-hmm. So if you're coming out of the subdivision to the north, it's offset by about fifteen or twenty feet, maybe more, to your to your right. [0:49:54, 0:50:14]: And it doesn't line up as a typical four-way intersection, but it is acting as a four-way stop. So that's what precipitated precipitates the potential for movement through the stop sign on Davis Road because you it's continuous. If I'm coming up Davis Road on the south side, on the south side. [0:50:15, 0:50:35]: I have to come to a stop. If I'm coming out the subdivision, I have to come to a stop because the road doesn't go through. So the issue is more souther on the east-west that that portion of the roadways where the issue of of folks potentially running dire the light because they can't tell it's an offset. You know, it's not a typical alignment. But um we've had the [0:50:34, 0:50:54]: The traffic engineers go out there and look at this and study it and determine that these two options are the best options that are out there based on their professional recommendation. We could choose to go otherwise, but I would go with either one of those two recommendations that that the engineers to do this for a living actually propose that we do for safety. [0:50:54, 0:51:14]: Yes, so certainly that's the direction that I would hold on one second before you go. So as you said, the intersection seems to be a problem. This seems to be a short term fix, which I'm certainly uh in support of the short term fix. But maybe another project maybe in the next T-SPLOST might be around about there. [0:51:14, 0:51:18]: at that intersection to deal with the offset. [0:51:19, 0:51:26]: I think the issue is there's a house on that corner coming out the subdivision that would you'd have to purchase that house in order to realign that road. [0:51:26, 0:51:33]: So you're gonna have costs associated above and beyond what you see here. Okay. If you try to do that, you're gonna probably have to acquire [0:51:33, 0:51:53]: Um a resident um coming out the subdivision on the north side of the real make it realign. Not sure having seen it, but certainly obviously somebody could study that to kind of see. Also, as a if it's a safety issue, is there some street lights out there? Is there some lighting at nighttime? Or do they have is there street lights at night [0:51:53, 0:52:05]: at the intersection? It yeah, it's just at like most people do at four way stop signs. If there's nobody coming, they kinda slow down. No, no, I'm talking about at night. Are there street lights at the intersection? [0:52:06, 0:52:11]: I can't recall, I'm not gonna say, in fact. Um Century Oaks. [0:52:11, 0:52:31]: There are no street lights. Okay. Certainly. So this is as we go around and my that's my point. As we go around to the next round of streetlights in a sections like this, which have been identified as dangerous, then we certainly need to look at making them prioritize because I think in the next round I would like [0:52:31, 0:52:51]: For you to come back to us and get some of our input on the next round of streetlights. Because I know uh Campground Road is black-dark issues, a dangerous issue there as well. This intersection probably could benefit. So as we look at the budget up there, uh upcoming budget and what we can do, we need to have [0:52:51, 0:53:06]: have a serious discussion about the streetlight districts uh um as we talked about earlier and then the next round of streetlights because we have these dangerous situations because if somebody ran that street light [0:53:07, 0:53:27]: At night when there's no lighting out there, it is total, it is really dangerous. So to deal with it from a safety standpoint, I think we want to look at overall safety and deal dealing with the intersection uh in terms of the total engineering of the intersection and then uh lighting for the intersection. [0:53:27, 0:53:39]: section as well. So if we could look at that as we enter the budgetary talks to look at the next round of streetlights and potentially uh impact in this this area as well. Thank you. [0:53:39, 0:53:40]: Mr. Blount, please. [0:53:41, 0:53:50]: Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um I totally agree with all the above. Um, Mr Aaron, you I wanna just say you're doing an excellent job and everything you're doing and [0:53:51, 0:53:54]: We appreciate your due diligence in not only this situation, but [0:53:54, 0:54:14]: Uh everything we've asked you to do. Uh I think one of the things that uh Ms. Barber did say that the flashing light would be sufficient for what the residents are saying. So I think for us to move forward with this is to go ahead and uh I I'm not sure if you was waiting to get a overall amount over. [0:54:14, 0:54:18]: On this or are we trying to approve anything tonight? I have no idea. [0:54:19, 0:54:35]: I would say the the j uh the action would be trying to prove it tonight. I would think the action would be are you trying to prove it tonight without the overall budget on the on the flashing lights? Yes. In fact the homeowners are probably watching this meeting. Um [0:54:35, 0:54:41]: The caution lights and just the assessment of that area is what I initially asked for. [0:54:41, 0:54:42]: Um but [0:54:42, 0:54:47]: The the stripping in the roadways that was another thing that we asked for. So thank you. [0:54:47, 0:54:49]: Thank you for bringing that back. [0:54:49, 0:54:50]: Um the power. [0:54:51, 0:54:54]: Flashing stop signs was just an alternative. [0:54:54, 0:54:55]: Because we were to [0:54:56, 0:54:56]: I was told. [0:54:57, 0:54:58]: [3298.6, 3300.6]: power lines for them to connect. [0:55:01, 0:55:02]: The flashing caution lights. [0:55:03, 0:55:03]: Um [0:55:03, 0:55:04]: But this is [0:55:05, 0:55:06]: This is fine. [0:55:06, 0:55:08]: Um if we're able to get the [0:55:08, 0:55:09]: Stripping. [0:55:10, 0:55:17]: And the caution lights as you recommended. But we don't have a cost estimate here. Can we just to finish what I was saying is that [0:55:18, 0:55:38]: We can approve this this, but then we don't have the total amount and I don't like us proving anything without the total amount. Can we say with a cost not to exceed fifty thousand? It's gonna be less than that, but a cost not to exceed fifty, so we don't have to come back and get additional numbers and present it to you. [0:55:38, 0:55:45]: um uh satellite flashing lights. And so you you you you're talking about uh [0:55:47, 0:56:02]: We'd have one like at the intersection of Shields and Davis and both sides of Davis and one coming out of Century Oaks. So you'll have four flashing red caution lights that alerting people that there's a stop sign, that they're approaching a a four way stop sign. [0:56:03, 0:56:22]: I'm okay with saying not exceeding if we need to prove it today, uh, because uh it's coming out of the SPLOSS funds for SPLOS five. Yes, sir. That that allows us to go ahead and plan and start making provisions to have that intersection in process. I'm fine with that. So I need a motion then. I'll let Mr. Aaron, one more question. Please, Mayor. [0:56:22, 0:56:23]: Um [0:56:23, 0:56:26]: What did you say you suggest then not to exceed about? [0:56:26, 0:56:30]: Not to exceed fifty thousand dollars. Fifty thousand? Yes. [0:56:30, 0:56:30]: So [0:56:33, 0:56:34]: One follow up question then. [0:56:35, 0:56:40]: Um with this cost estimate with the solar powered flashing stop signs. [0:56:42, 0:56:45]: The cost estimate is thirty five thousand. [0:56:46, 0:56:48]: So why fifty thousand? [0:56:49, 0:57:09]: Well just for the power. In it won't be powered. There'll be four solar powered red flashing lights alerting people to uh they're coming up to stop signs. But it'll give us the leeway to do some additional improvements that we see some things while we're out there that we can do so that we'll already have the funding available. We don't have to come [0:57:09, 0:57:21]: back to you. Our goal is to be within that$35,000, but we want to have some leeway in case we encounter something out in the field that we didn't expect until we actually get out there and start performing the project. [0:57:21, 0:57:35]: Mayor Ford, I'd like to make a motion, please. Go ahead. I'd like to make a motion to approve the recommendation provided by the Public Works Director to install the solar flashing. [0:57:35, 0:57:37]: Lights. [0:57:38, 0:57:46]: Stripping rumble strips and and an additional signage alerting people that they're approaching a four-way intersection. And additional signing. [0:57:47, 0:57:53]: Yes. In that additional signage in that area of Davis and Chills Road. And Century Holt's Court. [0:57:54, 0:57:59]: In Century Oaks Court. Yes. Not to exceed fifty thousand dollars. Yes. [0:58:00, 0:58:09]: Motion to remain by Miss Barber, seconded by Miss Alexander. We've had plenty of discussion. All favor, please indicate. Well, I just want to make sure we say not to see fifty thousand dollars as flosh five funding. [0:58:10, 0:58:16]: So that's yes. Not to exceed fifty thousand dollars from Splos Five. [0:58:17, 0:58:25]: Okay. Fourth must made. Second. Okay. From Barber to Alexander. All in favor, please indicate. Genesis season. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Aaron. [0:58:26, 0:58:27]: Thank you. [0:58:28, 0:58:45]: Council consideration approved task order number twenty twenty-three point one four with Falcon Design, MLK Senior Heritage Trail, Community Stonewater Impr uh pedestrian improvements in the amount of three hundred sixty thousand dollars. The funding source is from T S PLOS. Mr. Goodwin, please. [0:58:45, 0:59:00]: Uh good evening, Mayor and Council. Evening. Um we asked Falcon Design to prepare a task order for uh preliminary design for MLK Senior Heritage Trail Community Stormwater and Pedestrian Improvements in the amount of three hundred and sixty thousand dollars. [0:59:02, 0:59:07]: Okay. Any further discussion that you should need. Okay, counsel, got any questions? [0:59:07, 0:59:27]: I always like specifics for the public and I know Councilman Thomas, this is a your pet p pet project to me to so that that needs to be done and I support it. But I always like to tell the public what you're doing. You said pedestrian improvements and then uh the actual pro uh the project itself. Tell the public. [0:59:27, 0:59:47]: In layman's term, what what you're doing? So basically in Councilman Thomas's um community, we'll be upgrading uh as in terms of stormwater improvements, we'll be upgrading uh catch basins, we'll be also be installing curb and gutter in residential streets. And in terms of uh pedestrian improvements, we'll also be implementing. [0:59:47, 0:59:53]: implementing sidewalks um and uh well five foot sidewalks and also uh as well as curb and gutter. [0:59:54, 1:00:00]: Okay. All right. Thank you. Any other question? Yes, then Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. I'd just like to add, um [1:00:02, 1:00:09]: These issues um in this particular district um are not new. Um [1:00:10, 1:00:11]: And [1:00:12, 1:00:22]: they were identified in the uh T splash which was approved. Um a town hall was conducted. [1:00:22, 1:00:25]: uh a month or so ago where [1:00:25, 1:00:27]: Uh staff came out and [1:00:28, 1:00:48]: um had an opportunity to uh explain and work with the citizens in that particular area talking about uh curb gutters sidewalks where appropriate. Um and it it was a great we had a a a large number of citizens uh to come out and and [1:00:48, 1:01:08]: And I think it's a win-win for the city as a whole, because in these streets, you know, you don't necessarily have to live in a particular area, but you travel these roads, you travel these streets. So I I look at this as a overall city project. [1:01:07, 1:01:27]: Improving the city. So with that being said, Mayor Ford, I move to approve task order 2023.14 with Falcon Design, ML King Senior Heritage Trail, Community, Stormwater, and Production Improvements. Second. [1:01:29, 1:01:32]: Okay. Is there made motion made the second? Any other comments? [1:01:33, 1:01:34]: Not all in favor, please indicate. [1:01:34, 1:01:37]: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. [1:01:37, 1:01:55]: Thank you. No problem. Council of consideration of an amendment uh to the emergency building permitting an inspection services agreement by and between Bureau Viz Virt Virtus Veritas North America, incorporating the city of Stockbridge not to see six months. Presented by Mr. Ryan, please. [1:02:02, 1:02:22]: Good evening, Council. Evening. On April of 2023, the City Council approved an emergency services contract for building and um permitting with bureau varieties. Um and recently we went through all our contract um agreements. [1:02:22, 1:02:42]: Um invoices and other types of service agreements. And we came to the realization that this contract needed to be revised. And we revised the contract. If you look on the screen, the exhibit in the um in the left hand side is the original cost summary. [1:02:42, 1:02:46]: On the and on the uh right hand side is the revised cost summary. [1:02:47, 1:02:52]: We removed two items totaling eighteen thousand four hundred dollars a month. [1:02:52, 1:03:01]: And over two hundred and twenty thousand eight hundred dollars annually. So for a s I mean for a savings of two hundred and twenty thousand and eight hundred dollars by removing those two cost items. [1:03:03, 1:03:12]: Oh fantastic. But if you said that, okay. Yes, I can I can blow it up for you. Council, any questions for Mr. Anderson? [1:03:13, 1:03:33]: Uh yes, just one. Go ahead, please. So talk m uh talk about the job that they're doing. I am honestly in the last couple of weeks I've heard some some good things about the the processes uh being improved. Yeah, we we we we made some uh minor adjustments over there over in our department um to make things more [1:03:33, 1:03:50]: more uh to make things a whole lot better. Um we we we reassigned some people and um we cut some a lot of red tape out and we're much faster in processing our invoices, we're processing our building permits and uh being responsive to the applicant. [1:03:51, 1:04:11]: Yeah, I think that's very important for us to be business friendly and for us to be uh in a position where we're assisting at every step for businesses who wanna come here that the process is clean and that they um you know there's not a lot of roadblocks. When you say cut the red tape, I'm all on that. Let's see what we can do to make the [1:04:11, 1:04:18]: [3859.1, 3860.0]: Mr. Blount, please. [1:04:20, 1:04:29]: Uh I I totally one hundred percent concur. Um the the phone calls I've gotten uh in the last two weeks is that [1:04:30, 1:04:50]: Um this the city is heading down the road that we are open for business and we're in the process is not cumbersome to a point where it's uh deterrent for people to do business in the city stop bridge. It's not a no b no beliterment by f by any means to anybody, but whatever you're implementing over there now uh is really what [1:04:50, 1:05:10]: working and it's resonating through our um development and uh business community. So I appreciate the work you're doing over there. Okay, thank you. We just put more of the emphasis on uh being more customer service friendly to both our internal customers and our external customers. And thank you for internal phone calls. Yes. You gotta do that. Yeah. That's that's probably [1:05:09, 1:05:29]: Priority number one. Thank you, sir. All right. Any other comments at all? If not, then I need a motion to accept his proposal. So moved. Is there a second? Uh Mr. Blount second. Dan all fair, please indicate. It's unanimous decision. Thank you very much, Mr. Ryan. Okay. Thank you, Council. Okay, council consideration to text amendment case TX-2. [1:05:29, 1:05:49]: two zero two three dash zero one to approve and adopt new regulations for smoking establishment establishments presented by Mr. Anderson please. Uh on June twelfth of of this year, the previous director came before city council requesting uh this item um to make uh changes to the UDC to allow uh smokers [1:05:49, 1:05:56]: smoking establishment within the Parkway Mixed Use Overlay District and in the downtown village. Um [1:05:56, 1:06:15]: However, council tabled the item and told us to go back and do some additional research. And that's what I did. Um I looked at uh several diff several different jurisdictions all across the nation and uh in concert with our zoning attorney, Miss Valerie Ross, we came up with some uh guidelines to govern the program. [1:06:16, 1:06:17]: Uh [1:06:18, 1:06:38]: On this slide right here are the three major concerns that council had from the June 12th meeting. Uh having hookah and other smoking around families and minors, especially rel related to family restaurants. We kind of moved away from the family restaurant theme in these guidelines. The second um concern council had was ventilation. [1:06:38, 1:06:58]: And air filtration system. We currently will, in the guidelines, we will require all smoking establishments to have a smoke eater, which is a type of high-performance air filtration system or better yet, an air purifier. And the other ones, the third concern council had was no guidelines or rules. [1:06:59, 1:07:05]: So we this what we did. We developed guidelines and rules to govern uh smoking establishments. Um [1:07:07, 1:07:13]: So uh we came up with general definitions for our for uh hookahs and smoking establishments. Um [1:07:17, 1:07:28]: And uh it will be a regulated business, so it will require an annual uh building permit. I mean an annual permit and uh it will come with a come with cost of fifteen hundred dollars per year. [1:07:29, 1:07:49]: And they will have to have an occupational tax license, which everyone knows they have to do that to do business in the city of Stockbridge. Eligibility requirements for smoking establishment. Since they would be a regulated business, they will have to do uh have to comply with these requirements. Um and also since this is a regulated business. [1:07:48, 1:08:08]: There will be a limit so there won't be a pro proliferation of uh these types of uses within the city. Uh the the proposal is similar to what how we regulate the alcohol permit. There will be a maximum number of six permits for these types of businesses in the city. Currently we have two. Uh after the city reaches 40,000 residents. [1:08:08, 1:08:10]: Uh we'll be eligible to add one more. [1:08:12, 1:08:17]: uh permissible location. Uh smoking establishments will only be allowed in C two. [1:08:17, 1:08:21]: Uh general commercial, C three heavy commercial and D T downtown district. [1:08:22, 1:08:31]: hours of operation, a hookah polish shall be permitted to operate seven days a week between the hours of twelve PM and midnight, and shall be prohibited from operating at all other times. [1:08:31, 1:08:37]: Uh mandatory require quire requirements, minors prohibited, intoxicated persons prohibited. [1:08:38, 1:08:51]: Required literature. All smoking established must make literature relating to tobacco use easily easily available to hookah parlor custom hookah parlor customers or smoking established at one or more visible location within the establishment. [1:08:53, 1:09:06]: And this and they're required to post that literature so it it can be seen when a customer comes in. And the required ventilation system, as I mentioned previously, it would have to be a smoke eater or something with uh standards higher than us than a smoke eater. [1:09:07, 1:09:27]: Um, and these are just additional requirements. Uh denial, if someone apply for as a apply for a permit or license to get a smoking establishment, these are the criteria in which we can deny. If the applicant has been convicted of a felony, the applicant is under 21 years old, the applicant has made a false statement in the application for a permit. [1:09:27, 1:09:27]: Mm. [1:09:28, 1:09:35]: The application on his face indicates that the proposed smoking establishment cannot be operating in accordance with the requirements of these regulations. [1:09:36, 1:09:56]: And to have uh the city w also has the authority to revoke a smoking established even after they get a permit. If the owner of the parlor violates any requirements of this chapter, the owner of the operator is convicted of a felony felony, the parlor is not in compliance with one or more conditions of his hook of his hook or smoking established. [1:09:56, 1:09:57]: [4198.3, 4210.4]: So that's it. And I I'll take any questions if if you have any. Sir. Mr. Blount, please. Yes, sir. I got a question. Thank you for the presentation. On the uh so all of this all these criteria and um [1:10:11, 1:10:17]: set standards has to be um complied to before a CO is issued. Is that correct? Yes, sir. [1:10:17, 1:10:32]: Um what do we do about the I s I see this with businesses coming in. Well any of the businesses that are now been established'cause uh w let me give a let me give something before I say this. When we was in um [1:10:33, 1:10:53]: Kansas City back in uh back in uh uh no November. Right, basically. Every establishment that did smoking had the I forget what they call those big boxes in there that uh the filtration system. Yeah, the filtration system that they that they sit in. It was a smoke eater probably right, exactly. [1:10:53, 1:11:09]: And they had to have those in there. Yeah, that's required. And if we're putting those in there now before we offer a CO to the new establishments, is there a compliance that's gonna be set for st for for for the comp for ones that are doing it now? [1:11:09, 1:11:29]: Yeah, it's envisioned that uh the business service division will manage this process. And we will we will implement a process for inspecting. We'll have a checklist prior to going in, issuing a CO on this, and they will have to have all meet all the requirements of that CO before it's before it is issued. They will have to pass that inspection. And then um the inspection list will be based off. [1:11:29, 1:11:49]: the requirements in this document. Well that's on the CO for new coming. Yeah, new business. But my question is that will there be anything established for because those things are really needed, will there be anything set for the existing Yeah, for ex yeah they will have how and how long will they be given to come in a plant unplug? I'm not [1:11:49, 1:12:09]: I I didn't include that within the document so we can we can set a time. I would think probably ninety days they will have to comply with the requirements of this. We will send out a notice to the two existing smoking establishments in the city and let them know about the new ordinance and the new requirements. Uh because I went into one and they did not have uh a smoke eater or any type of air filtration system. So I don't know how [1:12:09, 1:12:21]: how much they cost. I just wanna make sure we give the businesses a a a I just wanna make sure we're giving them enough time for that type I don't know what type of expenditure that would be. Uh they started um [1:12:21, 1:12:41]: Depending on the square footage of the building, you can get them for like um a commercial air filter that that would suffice, maybe about a thousand or fifteen hundred dollars. Oh, okay. Or they could get two smaller ones. So so we're looking at you're looking at approximately around n when you when you implement this around 90 days, when would this become if we vote on it tonight? [1:12:41, 1:12:51]: Night, when would this become leg legitimized so that now you can start toward the it's a good idea? If you approve it if you approve it after after the ordinance gets signed, it will go into effect. [1:12:52, 1:12:53]: So [1:12:55, 1:13:08]: Okay, so we're able to do the three months starting in September. Start in September starts the three month month process? So we can start it at the uh beginning of the year if if if if that would be sufficient. [1:13:09, 1:13:29]: I it's it's it's however you want to do it. I just want to make sure that when we do like when we implement something for n something like this for it you know, in sh you know, prior to getting a CO for new businesses, that this is a health situation uh like it would be for any type filtration system, that we give those existing businesses [1:13:29, 1:13:49]: Time to uh come on board and actually uh come to that. I just want to make sure we're being fair to the businesses that don't have it. Yeah, it's it's good to give existing businesses to be transitioning, especially if they don't have the system in place to give them time. And so I guess with the next the issuance of the next business license, which would be the next calendar. [1:13:49, 1:14:09]: The year gives them, but any new business that comes in will always automatically have to comply. But we'll give those folks. So if you say six months after this, then if you say six months, that'll be the first of the year anyway. So if the mayor yeah, so the mayor signs it this week, um so that gives them six months to be February, November, December, January, pretty much five to six months to get in company. [1:14:08, 1:14:15]: Compliance. Okay. See, I'm okay with that. So you got they get they got enough time to prepare. Yes, sir. Yeah. Mm-hmm. [1:14:17, 1:14:30]: Any questions, Council? Uh sorry I had to step out there for a minute. Talk about the differentiations between the restaurant, the bar, and the different establishments with this. Well, uh a restaurant uh [1:14:32, 1:14:52]: Well well, in my in my estimation, the restaurant m is more like a family type atmosphere where you can have your kids in there. So we kinda steered this away because federal, state and local guidelines prohibits minors from being in a place that is sh that smokes hookah or cigars. So it wouldn't qualify for hookah anyway, or cigars or anything. [1:14:52, 1:14:55]: type of smoking. So family restaurants off the list. [1:14:56, 1:15:16]: Okay, so somebody let's say per se somebody came in and they they did want to serve hookah and they wanted to serve food. So would they have to how would they apply? They would have to get their they would have to have a hook a hookah permit. They would have to have a hookah permit, but as as but they're serving food, so would they have to b what what designation would they have to be? [1:15:15, 1:15:35]: be a bar or would they have to be what would they have to we're targeting sports lounges bars sports lounges and bars yes okay so in essence in the city in order for you to be able to serve to have the hookah you would have to be a sports lounge or a bar and then you would have to have the ventilation and all the other requirements. [1:15:35, 1:15:53]: Or you could be a standalone cigar bar. So the the hope is to um possibly uh recruit a a high end cigar bar within our oh, okay Okay. And that's a good along the parkway and then the downtown area. Yes, sir. Okay, that sounds like a win. Okay, thanks. [1:15:53, 1:15:58]: You know the questions counsel. I have a quick question. Go ahead. Yes, sir. When when they apply for [1:15:59, 1:16:00]: The permits. [1:16:00, 1:16:02]: Mm. Are they applying sane as a sports bar? [1:16:03, 1:16:08]: Well uh the reason I'm I'm sorry, the reason I'm asking that is because [1:16:08, 1:16:09]: If you got a restaurant [1:16:10, 1:16:13]: And they throw a T V up there and they put sports on. [1:16:13, 1:16:16]: And he won't do hookah, is it classified as a sports boy? [1:16:16, 1:16:35]: Yeah, it would be classified as a sports bar. I I have the definitions on the front page. The reason why it can it it couldn't be well technically it would be considered a restaurant, but they couldn't do hookah if they allow minors in. If kids can come in, then they can't do hookah. So when they come in and sign for their permit, they would have to sign a sheet attesting to the fact that they won't allow minors in. [1:16:35, 1:16:37]: So okay. [1:16:37, 1:16:50]: Because because there's there's some windows with that that we could probably discuss some discussion. But they i if if they uh do hookah or smoking cigars in there, miners are not allowed to from federal law, state law and the city of Stockbridge ordinances. [1:16:51, 1:16:52]: No, I got it [1:16:52, 1:17:12]: A Mr. Addison, a minor are considered eighteen years or younger or seventeen younger eighteen years of younger. Or younger. Yes. Okay. So if if you let me ask you this because this question was asked of me. Let's say the the the business um was a restaurant and they wanted to do the hookah at night and then at that point [1:17:12, 1:17:32]: They would prohibit children from coming in from that time to that time. Is there an exception or a special permit in there or is it just totally that's just not gonna happen? I mean, you uh if they guarantee that minors won't be in at a certain time, if they have if they have it marked on their uh windows or on their uh poster that they're [1:17:32, 1:17:36]: that they will be required to put up, then yes, we will consider that. Yes, sir. [1:17:37, 1:17:56]: Okay. Well that was that was something that was uh asked of me. Certainly I'm in line with what you where you're trying to go because uh you know, we don't want to be at a competitive disadvantages to other cities around us, because I know we've had several inquiries about uh, you know, cigar bars and that kind of thing and other cities do offer those services. [1:17:56, 1:18:08]: Yes, sir. I and I'll give one example, it's actually adjacent to the s to the city. Um, social nineteen forty two. Mm-hmm. Uh you know, when you walk in there's signage that says smoking prohibited. They don't even allow smoking inside. [1:18:09, 1:18:22]: where the restaurant type environment is, but you can smoke hookah and cigar out on the patio. Right? Because when I went, the sign said cigar says smoking prohibited and I asked the bouncer. I said, well [1:18:24, 1:18:30]: Someone said you can smoke online. They said, Yeah, only on the outside patios. So some businesses divide it up. [1:18:31, 1:18:42]: Right. Um so do we have that exception? That will that be an exception for that they wanted to do it outside on the patio? A bar, but they considered a bar, technically. They're not considered a restaurant restaurant. They're more of a bar. [1:18:43, 1:19:03]: Then they are, but they only allow for their smoking on the outside, not on the interior. Okay. But that's in Clayton County. So that's not you know Stockbridge. They have a stalbridge address, but it's not in Clayton. I know, but you know, you're gonna have these situations where the business owners are like, you know, we wanna be able to serve alcohol and at that same time, you know, they're a restaurant, but at the same time, if they went ahead and applied [1:19:03, 1:19:10]: As a sports lounge, because 1942 serves a significant amount of food. They serve they do serve food. So it's kind of like slicing. [1:19:10, 1:19:13]: And I don't know how Clayton County actually permitted them. [1:19:13, 1:19:15]: Obviously different jurisdiction. [1:19:15, 1:19:23]: But I use them as an example. You have bench warmers that actually have a divided out space. Mm-hmm. So you have one side that's actually acts as a restaurant. [1:19:23, 1:19:43]: You have pool tables, but then you have a bar that's segregated out with a separate ventilation system where you could smoke cigarettes, cigars, whatever. And then I Okay, so so there are some exceptions. Okay, thank you. But uh and also the the smoke eater keeps the the the smoke from um moving up in the areas where the people will be eating it. [1:19:43, 1:19:49]: Yeah, but that was in line what Mr Alexander was saying. That's I I think we kinda been dealing with the [1:19:50, 1:20:05]: Some of the same people in that respect between what he just quote. So that yeah, you answered my question. So we don't really have to get yeah. So as long as they come into compliance to the stipulations and and stick with that, it's you can have you know you can have with the all the guys. [1:20:06, 1:20:08]: Mr. Thomas, you have a question, sir? [1:20:08, 1:20:22]: Yes, uh Mr. Anderson, um, and I know it's been presented this way, but I would be more inclined to a separation. Um you have a lot of [1:20:22, 1:20:26]: um restaurant diners that [1:20:26, 1:20:28]: For health reasons. [1:20:28, 1:20:29]: Uh [1:20:30, 1:20:34]: to will not be in an environment where they're smoking. Um [1:20:36, 1:20:40]: I think a lot of restaurant will lose customers. [1:20:40, 1:20:42]: Because of that I've um [1:20:43, 1:20:49]: dying out where it was a separation and that was okay for someone like me. [1:20:49, 1:20:50]: That do not smoke. [1:20:51, 1:20:58]: And don't want to be in an environment of tobacco products. And I and you have, especially today. [1:20:58, 1:21:01]: You have a number of people. [1:21:01, 1:21:05]: that do not want to be in that environment, but if it was separated. [1:21:05, 1:21:07]: Then I think it would be okay. [1:21:08, 1:21:14]: Uh and that just just me and people that I know, but and I just want to to state that, but um [1:21:14, 1:21:20]: If there's a separation, I'll be okay for that. But if not, then I would not be. [1:21:21, 1:21:35]: Okay, I understand that. Uh however, when they first come in into the restaurant, there will be signage advising them on the dangers of health smoking and and things of that nature. So but we will require them to be separate if they serve food. [1:21:38, 1:21:38]: Yeah. [1:21:41, 1:21:43]: Any other questions for Mr. Anderson? [1:21:44, 1:22:04]: Now again, this is not gonna be like a um there's gonna be a limit of a six total citywide, right? Yes, there's a limit. So it's not like it will be open to everybody. It would be like a lottery or whoever approaches. So and and I and I'm certainly in gr in agreement with your statements and sentiments, uh kind of. [1:22:04, 1:22:24]: Councilman Thomas, because I personally would not go to a restaurant where there is smoking yet, but that option needs to be available to people who do. Now they would lose my business because they made that choice. I wouldn't go there. But there are people who would. I just think that they fundamentally I agree with you in that uh [1:22:23, 1:22:35]: you know, I don't want to go to places where they offer smoke at. But fundamentally from a business standpoint and a competition standpoint, if they choose that, then they lock they lost my business. That's their option. [1:22:36, 1:22:36]: Mayor. [1:22:37, 1:22:37]: Yeah. [1:22:37, 1:22:38]: Go ahead, Miss Blood. [1:22:39, 1:22:43]: You know, um I'm in line with uh that statement because [1:22:45, 1:22:48]: I don't go to a restaurant and just only sell pork'cause I don't eat pork. [1:22:49, 1:22:55]: You know, so I I think the marketplace itself, when it comes and this is this is what you say, talk about [1:22:55, 1:23:00]: being business friendly when the marketplace itself and this no belitament to you, Mr. Thomas. [1:23:01, 1:23:02]: The marketplace itself has to. [1:23:03, 1:23:07]: come together within itself with the rules and regulations set by the city. [1:23:07, 1:23:10]: And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. [1:23:10, 1:23:13]: Because if your formula is not working. [1:23:13, 1:23:16]: Because you set certain rules or you set certain criteria. [1:23:17, 1:23:19]: To have the public come in. [1:23:19, 1:23:24]: And if you don't work out, it don't work out. Then you have to shift. [1:23:24, 1:23:39]: But I think the marketplace I I one of the things that this council did and and I definitely appreciate it when I let the fight to say that you're w we're here, the state here and this federal government here is to protect those that can't protect themselves when it comes to minors. Yeah. [1:23:39, 1:23:47]: And so when this city passed the no smoking with minors and car ordinance, that's the same thing in a restaurant. [1:23:47, 1:23:57]: that you were protecting the minors. But when the criteria changes for adults to make their own choices, then I think the marketplace should should dictate itself. [1:23:59, 1:24:17]: Okay. Mr. Mr. And and and it's it's no reflection on me and I don't take any personal attack on that. Um, but you have millions and millions of folk that that are in that same position. I would still be inclined to and if you're talking about business friendly [1:24:17, 1:24:21]: in the city of Stockbridge, where you have to allow for [1:24:22, 1:24:26]: all citizen. So that may be a restaurant that you do [1:24:27, 1:24:30]: want to attend, you may want to dine out. [1:24:30, 1:24:32]: But if you separate that [1:24:33, 1:24:36]: then that business is open for everybody. [1:24:37, 1:24:45]: And it's up to the business owner if they want that, then they have to make uh provision to separate that. [1:24:45, 1:24:48]: That's business friendly and it's up to that business owner. [1:24:49, 1:24:52]: You know, you know in order to do that. So I I think that's [1:24:52, 1:25:05]: That's being business friendly and that's being proactive and that's being respectful of everybody, kids as well. Cause once once you separate it, then you allow for everybody. [1:25:06, 1:25:20]: And you can come and dine in one area and you can go to the other area and partake. And I've seen that happen because I know there are other restaurants that just that way. Yes. I agree. But that's that's being disfruther. [1:25:21, 1:25:31]: All right. If no more comments, is there a motion to accept this to the changes in this proposal? So move. Mr. Blount, so moved. Is there a second? Sir. Mr. Alzheimer's second then. All in favor, please indicate. [1:25:32, 1:25:37]: Okay, I'm sorry. Three zero one. Mr. Port. Yes ma'am. [1:25:38, 1:25:38]: Yes, ma'am. [1:25:48, 1:26:02]: No, there wasn't that wasn't a condition for outside only. It's already no, it's already allowed if you if you would get one of those six licenses, but no, it wasn't a condition. Okay, so it didn't No, no, no, no ma'am. All right. [1:26:02, 1:26:05]: All right, thank you, Mr. Mr. Anderson. All right, you're welcome. [1:26:05, 1:26:13]: All right. What we have next council consideration to approve an ordinance revising a job description for the deputy city clerk to align with the current organization. [1:26:13, 1:26:16]: The city and the hired employee imposed to [1:26:16, 1:26:36]: appointed, presented by Miss Wheeler. But I do know there's been quite a bit of discussion about all this and I kinda wonder whether or not one or two things, whether or not my recommendation whether or not we discuss this since a personnel issue in a second session and or whether or not this needs to be tabled for further discussion. I was going to ask for it to be tabled so that I could cite [1:26:36, 1:26:56]: to the custom that predates this because I've not been able to find it yet. Oh right. Oh okay. So you're you're making a recommendation that this would be you're present okay. To table. Table. Is it council do uh do we have an agreement on that or or not? So move. So so move. Uh actually I went from Miss Barber to [1:26:56, 1:27:07]: Mr Alexander, you can second that? Okay. Is all in favor? Please indicate? All right. See now she says we will table that. And now now mind you we didn't set a date on that, but I would imagine [1:27:07, 1:27:09]: With that uh would a set a time frame, but [1:27:10, 1:27:30]: Excuse me? We can have it ready by the next meeting. Okay. All right, Tensor. Appreciate it. All right. So on that note, we'll go to announcements of upcoming meetings and events. Council meetings will be held on City Council Chamber, meeting dates and times of subject change. Please uh visit the city website, www.starbridgega.org or [1:27:30, 1:27:50]: City's Facebook page or contact City Hall offices 770-389-7900 for updates. The Stockbridge City Citizen Police Advisory Council meeting first Thursday of each month. Police Precinct 4545 North Henry Boulevard Community Meeting Room 6 o'clock on September 7th. [1:27:49, 1:28:06]: Mayor. Yes, sir. Real quick, is this the first meeting of the Citizens Advisory Council? That's my understanding. Right. So that's one thing we so I think we want to stop and highlight that that the Citizens Re uh Advisory Council to the police department. We have one here in the city and they're having their very first meeting. [1:28:07, 1:28:27]: Yeah, September 7th and 6 p.m. Okay. Main Street Advisory Board meeting second Friday of each month. Welcome center located at 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail at 9 a.m. September 8th. City Council meeting the second Monday of each month, 6 p.m. City Council Hall Chambers, uh September 11th, which is Patriots Day. [1:28:27, 1:28:28]: Okay. [1:28:28, 1:28:48]: Youth Council meeting, 6:30 p.m., second Monday of each month. City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, City Hall there at September 11th, also. Patriot State. Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, September 12th. The Downtown Development Authority meeting, third Tuesday of each month. Welcome Center, 1:30. [1:28:48, 1:28:52]: M L. King Senior Heritage Trail, September nineteenth. [1:28:52, 1:29:12]: Youth Council Advisory Committee meeting 6:30, third uh Tuesday of each month in Levi Meeting Room, City Hall on September 19th. City Council work session meeting last Tuesday of each month at 6 p.m. City City Hall Council Chambers at September 26th. And Planning Commission meeting 6:30 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers fourth Thursday beach. [1:29:12, 1:29:32]: Each month, September 28th. Upcoming events and uh initiatives. What we have here says join us for our last Food Truck Tasty Tuesday, which is the day from 5:30 to 8 p.m. eight five thirty to eight thirty in Clark Park. But it's my understanding it was post or canceled due to threats of thunderstorms and rain. It's my understanding. So uh and uh [1:29:32, 1:29:52]: So that would uh not be existing at this point. Join uh Councilman Alexander for community cleanup on Saturday, September 9th, 9 a.m. to 11 a.m. Parking at Wall parking at Walmart, 1400 Hudson Bridge Road. Please contact Roslin Rawls for details. R Rawls at city of stopbridge dash G A dot G O V. [1:29:52, 1:30:12]: Or call 678-833-3348. Please join the city of Stockbridge at the annual 911 Remembrance Ceremony. This is annual remembrance to be held Monday, September 11th, once again at 8 a.m. to um 11 a.m. right in front of the city hall steps. Once again, that is considered Patriots Day. [1:30:13, 1:30:33]: Okay, join Councilman Blount for Bingo Bash Wednesday, September 20th at 10 a.m. to 12 noon. Railman's conference center located at 111 Davis Road. Please join Councilman Afonso Thomas for the first for the annual first appreciation drive through luncheon. Uh responding, uh recognizing and the dedication of and sacrifice of Henry. [1:30:33, 1:30:53]: County's first responders. The event will take place Thursday, September 21st from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. in Merrill Manor's Conference Center, located at 111 Davis Road. Join Mayor Ford me for the monthly Meet the Mayor on Monday, September 25th at 10 a.m. to noon. Please contact Rosalind Rawls to schedule an appointment. [1:30:53, 1:31:13]: It's six seven eight eight three three three three four four four four four four eight or an email hurric R. Rawls at city of Stockbridge dash G A dot Gov. Join Councilman Thomas for Don't Trash Stockbridge Initiative Centered Around Education Highlighting the Causes and Effects of Littering and Illegal Dumping. Uh more information to follow on that. Once again join Councilman Thomas. [1:31:13, 1:31:25]: Thomas and Arning Veterans with a continuous salute all year round. Please send your pictures of veterans with their name, branch, rank, and years of service to R. Rawls at the city of Stockbridge-G A dot G O V [1:31:26, 1:31:46]: And save the date for September 30th, our annual Bridge Fest Festival. More information will follow about that, but looking forward to an outstanding event of Bridgefest. And um please get your tickets for upcoming concerts uh for the twenty twenty-three Stockbridge uh concert series and our season at StockbridgeAnp.com and upcoming series [1:31:46, 1:32:06]: uh concert we have set for Labor Day Weekend uh which is uh Saturday Labor Day weekend the 70 Soul Jam. That concert will involve the stylistics, emotions, the intruders, Eddie Holman, and Blue Magic 70 Soul Jam concert. All right, this Saturday, upcoming Saturday. [1:32:06, 1:32:08]: Mayor Ford. [1:32:09, 1:32:10]: Excuse me. [1:32:12, 1:32:19]: Oh, I'm sorry. All white party. Yes, you're coming all white. Thank you very much. Coming all white, dressing all white. All right, head to toe. [1:32:20, 1:32:34]: All right. Yes sir. Uh I I wanted to re-emphasize I I think you sort of missed the word in the first responder's appreciation drive through luncheon. [1:32:35, 1:32:37]: I think you said um appreciation. [1:32:37, 1:32:57]: Okay. But I said it at all. Okay, no problem. Appreciate it, sir. I know I appreciate that. Uh what we also have is that uh uh councilwoman uh Lakeisha Gantt is sponsoring an event with Psi Alpha Omega chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha Fatern uh Sword, excuse me, Alpha Kappa Alpha Swordy Incorporated. Business Matters and [1:32:57, 1:33:17]: Entrepreneur and Black Business Expo, which is going to be October 1st at uh from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. at the Merle Manders Conference Center, where they'll have uh pitch contests and the panel discussion, food trucks, of course, and uh information on mental health sessions, vendors and workshops. So that is actually on October 1st. [1:33:17, 1:33:29]: eleven AM to five PM at Merrill Manors and sponsored by uh Miss Gantt and her Shawarty, Psy Alpha Omega Chapter, Alpha Kappa Alpha. And also [1:33:29, 1:33:49]: I'm a sponsor for the Upmost uh R uh Four P's Incorporated, Job Fair and Resume Review. This actually Saturday, September 9th, also at Merle Manders Conference Center. That'll be nine AM to one thirty PM. And um I'm sponsoring this particular event and uh so look forward to folks coming out for that as well. Uh [1:33:49, 1:33:55]: Uh let's see here. Mayor, did we uh talk about the the fund the the been on the thirtieth? [1:33:55, 1:33:59]: Uh September thirtieth was uh was British. I mentioned that sir earlier. [1:34:02, 1:34:05]: I no, I'd have anything on all the one that [1:34:06, 1:34:13]: I d uh no I didn't mention that, sir. I I uh that's uh no I didn't mention that, but that is that's t that's uh a couple of days. [1:34:15, 1:34:35]: We certainly wanna recognize the female business owners. Well well the female business well yeah, female business owners are being recognized at that an event there. You're right, uh it it's gonna be a Merrill Manner's conference center and I guess that's is a a pitch uh uh pitch aspect of pitching. The funding pitch funding funding pitch aspect there as well. It's gonna be a Merrill Manners on the [1:34:34, 1:34:43]: The uh the thirtieth, uh a couple days from now. Um now a couple other things I need to mention in reference to my particular comment. So obviously [1:34:43, 1:34:50]: Eh you we probably figured that COVID was over with, COVID was done, you know, we survived all that. Well, lo and behold, [1:34:50, 1:35:10]: uh COVID is still around. And obviously, as you've probably been paying attention, there's been an uptick in COVID cases and folks getting sick, a new uh new I guess a new virus or slightly different, slightly different change in this virus is is come up now, whether it's in uh Henry County, the state of Georgia, and the country itself. And so [1:35:10, 1:35:30]: And what I understand is supposed to be a new uh vaccination or booster to come out sometime in the next 30 days. So I would encourage everybody when a new booster comes out to uh take time and set an appointment and go get your booster shot on this new iteration of COVID-19. And um and hopefully if if you happen to unfortunately get it, hopefully you'll take the necessary [1:35:30, 1:35:33]: [5735.0, 5743.8]: Well, actually today is a very special day, ladies and gentlemen. I I would assume that you know, but just in case. Today is the sixtieth anniversary of March on Washington. [1:35:44, 1:36:04]: Now actually over the past weekend in Washington DC they celebrated this on Saturday, which was a couple days ago, but the actual date in nineteen sixty three was August twenty-eighth. So this is the sixtieth anniversary. And it was for jobs and freedom, is what the what the march was about. And of course, uh our one of our most famous c individuals in this country. [1:36:04, 1:36:24]: Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who was part of the King family and we're the ancestral home of the King family here in Stockbridge, gave his most famous speech, I Have a Dream speech. And that I Have a Dream speech was is probably the most iconic and most recognizable speeches in modern history. So roughly at the March on Washington 60 years ago, we had roughly 250. [1:36:24, 1:36:39]: thousand people that attended this particular march. And um and of course uh because of the r the what occurred at the march, it uh helped uh uh satisfy the requirement or g uh uh for us to to attain the Civil Rights Act of 1964. [1:36:39, 1:36:42]: The voting rights act in nineteen sixty five. [1:36:42, 1:37:02]: And of course, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. received eventually received the Nobel Peace Prize also in 1964 for all his efforts and reference to what he was doing for the world overall. One of the things of his speech that he mentioned, which is iconic as well, where he talked about his four little children, will one day live in a nation, whether it will be not be judged by [1:37:02, 1:37:05]: by the color of the skin, but by the content of the character. [1:37:06, 1:37:07]: I have a dream to date. [1:37:08, 1:37:28]: Now obviously I can't say it like Dr. King say it, but he said it very well. And uh it's one of the most recited type of uh uh statements uh in this speech uh known around the world, and of course it motivated, educated, inspired people um to uh for for jobs, equality, and just to do the right thing and and deal [1:37:27, 1:37:37]: With each individual, individuals overall. But I'm very proud of the fact to uh be with this council and be the mayor of the city, the ancestral home of the King family and know. [1:37:37, 1:37:57]: that we are part of civil rights history and we hold and obtain that and uh we're proud about that as well. And I would think my fellow teammates would agree with me on that point. So 60 years folks, 60 years ago today, Dr. King gave that wonderful speech at the and down in Washington, D.C. On that note, um have a great Labor Day week. [1:37:57, 1:38:04]: Be safe. And if you're not hanging out and doing anything on Saturday, come to the concert and for the white part, come in white and dress in white. [1:38:04, 1:38:15]: And come check out some soul music and uh in that aspect. So with no exactly session, so on that note, the council I need a a motion to uh to adjourn the meeting. Soul moving. Is there a second? [1:38:16, 1:38:18]: Mr. Blount second down. All in favor, please indicate. [1:38:19, 1:38:21]: And we're out of here. Thank you. God bless you all. [1:38:30, 1:38:32]: Mm-hmm. [1:38:40, 1:38:43]: We have to go again and everything in the election season.

--- title: Planning Commission date: 2023-08-24 source: 2023-08-24_Planning_Commission.wav --- [0:00:10, 0:00:14]: It is now six thirty two and the planning commission is uh [0:00:14, 0:00:15]: Coming to order. [0:00:22, 0:00:24]: Mr. Thibodeau, can you give us an invocation? [0:00:28, 0:00:31]: Mr. Mitten, can you hear me? Can you hear me all right, Mr. Mitten? [0:00:33, 0:00:34]: Can you hear me? [0:00:35, 0:00:53]: Okay. All right. Go ahead. Let's bow our head. Father, Father through Jesus Christ, thank us for the giving us the opportunity to serve the community and give us the guidance and the wisdom wisdom to do the right thing for the right reason and towards the citizen. In Jesus' name, amen. [0:00:54, 0:00:56]: We all stand for a pledge of allegiance. [0:00:59, 0:01:10]: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, my nation, under God, individual, liberty and justice for all. [0:01:16, 0:01:17]: Mr. Logan, can we get a roll call? [0:01:21, 0:01:22]: Ms. Logan? [0:01:41, 0:01:46]: Present. Present. Stanley Dowis. [0:01:48, 0:01:50]: Um Harold Themido. Present. [0:01:51, 0:01:52]: David Planchon. [0:01:52, 0:01:53]: President [0:01:54, 0:01:55]: Anthony Mitten. [0:01:56, 0:01:58]: Jaden Williams. Present. [0:01:59, 0:02:01]: We have a core, mister Mr. Chairman. [0:02:02, 0:02:03]: Thank you, Ms. Logan. [0:02:11, 0:02:17]: I'd ask everyone to uh read the agenda. And following that we have a motion to adopt the agenda. [0:02:25, 0:02:34]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchon. Unless anybody in the public wants us to read them in us, I suggest that we just vote on accepting them and I would like to make a motion. [0:02:35, 0:02:42]: Mr. Flashon has made a motion to adopt the uh the agenda. Do I have a second? Harrow's second it. Did you get that, Miss Logan? [0:02:44, 0:02:56]: That Herald second the meeting. Second the motion. All right, that's been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Hearing none, the motion is carried. [0:02:58, 0:03:02]: Would you kindly read the minutes from the July twenty seventh m uh meeting? [0:03:04, 0:03:10]: And following that we may have a motion to accept it or amend it as necessary. [0:03:13, 0:03:14]: Somebody else. [0:03:15, 0:03:16]: [198.7, 209.5]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchon again. Um, unless anybody in public wants us to reread those minutes from that meeting, I would like to make a motion that we approve them as written. [0:03:31, 0:03:31]: I have a second. [0:03:33, 0:03:34]: Harrow second it. [0:03:35, 0:03:53]: All right, it's been moved and second. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed, hearing none, the motion carries. Uh I'd like to welcome a new planning commission member, Mr. Jaden Williams. Mr. Williams. [0:03:55, 0:04:01]: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um I'm excited to be here. Did the work for the city. Thank you. You're welcome. [0:04:04, 0:04:12]: Okay, the first item on the agenda is the comprehensive plan amendment case number CP two oh two three-two for council district four. [0:04:16, 0:04:27]: Consideration of a request for a comprehensive plan amendment to assign the future land use designation of high density residential to property number f to the property located fifty five Valley Hill Road. [0:04:27, 0:04:45]: to allow for the construction of a townhouse development. The applicant is D.R. Horton Inc., represented by Tiffany Hogan. The property represents parcel number S 1601006000 in Landlot 69 of District 12. [0:04:45, 0:04:50]: And it contains twenty four point nine six plus or minus acres within the city of Stockridge. [0:04:51, 0:04:52]: Mr Lytton. [0:04:56, 0:05:05]: Thank you, Chair. My name is Gordon Linton, Tether Month for the City of Stockfield, and I'm here to present the case number CP 2023 data service. [0:05:10, 0:05:15]: The case that the applicant is VR which is represented by [0:05:21, 0:05:41]: And the applicant's request is to change the future land use designation from LI Black Industrial to high density residential to allow for the development of 165 new simple town homes along with multiple MTs and open space areas. The number of proposed units is 6.6 units per. [0:05:41, 0:06:01]: Per acre. The address of the property is 55,000 abroad. The number of acres is 24.96. The project characteristic is a warehouse with two buildings and is mostly wood. The city designation is Light Industrial. And the current zoning is Light Industrial. And the sign of [0:06:01, 0:06:03]: Posted on August 72. [0:06:10, 0:06:29]: Here is the area of the property of 55 value growth. This is the subject property right here. And we have two parks, Cochrane Park and Garner Park in this area. And we also have public and it's important to note that Giamatti County, which is currently in the construction place as public. [0:06:29, 0:06:31]: Already scared too. [0:06:35, 0:06:48]: Here is a close-up of the property. Here you have this is the office, you have the warehouse, and you have the shed, and there's also a break-in-the-located inside of the room. [0:06:53, 0:07:04]: This is a site visit that I did on August 7th, 2023. As you can see, that's the warehouse, that's the office, and also there's there's equipment over there along the tree. [0:07:08, 0:07:28]: The city's stockers comprehensive plan. The current future land use map designates the subject property as site industrial. However, the current future land use map is compatible with the requested resilience of MM Park, which is multiple family residential. Therefore, the applicant is requested to change the future land use designation of the subject. [0:07:28, 0:07:32]: subject property from LI biodiversity to high density respect. [0:07:36, 0:07:48]: There is a feature of that use map of 65 value in the road. Here's a subject property. And this I have to interrupt. There's a problem with the connection. Could the IT man come over here, please? [0:08:10, 0:08:30]: Okay, so this is the feature land use now 55. As you can see, the property is light industrial. To the left is high density residential, and you also have medium density residential. And there are the two parks located here: Park Conservation, and you also have Pubb's, which is low-density protocol mix use, and you have [0:08:30, 0:08:32]: I yeah, both desk and resonate as well. [0:08:37, 0:08:46]: This is a zoning map of the area. Um, later industrial as well. And this is the subject property, and you also have parks. [0:08:51, 0:09:11]: The surrounding land is designation. So province in the north, which is vacant land, is low density residential. Then you have Champion Cleaning System, which is a business, low density road for mixed use. Castus River Subdivision, which is low density residential, property to the south, is a single family residential. [0:09:11, 0:09:31]: Density residential, and then you have Clark Park and Army Park, which is Park Recreation Conservation. The property to the east is also Clark Park. You have the public service center, which is Low Density Brooklyn's use, and the Diamante Town Home, which is Low Density Residential. To the west, you have Bay Oak Village. [0:09:31, 0:09:39]: High density residential, Woodland Ridge, which is medium density residential, and North South Ridge, which is medium density residential. [0:09:41, 0:10:01]: So this is the surrounding land use density of the subdivision. This is the subject property here. And then we also have the the other surrounded subdivisions with the units per acre. And as you can see based on this map, it's assistant with the comprehensive uh penant tenant comprehensive [0:10:01, 0:10:03]: Okay, [0:10:06, 0:10:24]: And this is a table showing the surrounding land use densities. These are the names of the subdivision as well, the units and the density per acre. And like I said earlier, based on the uh density, which is 6.6 units per acre, it's consistent with the surrounding subdivisions. [0:10:29, 0:10:33]: There is the side plan, your uh the side plan. [0:10:35, 0:10:36]: The practice. [0:10:41, 0:11:01]: And we did a staff analysis. We looked at the consistency with the comprehensive comprehensive time and other subject property from land adjusted to the high defensive residential is necessary because the current land use designation does not allow the development of townhomes. In addition, the proposed townhome development is consistent. [0:11:01, 0:11:21]: Policy goals of the current studio staff comprehensive plan twenty eight to twenty twenty eighteen to twenty thirty-eight. There are listed on as follows on page thirty-five and thirty-nine. And these are the lists which provide a mixture of housing options to attract young professionals, singles, and small family, maintain a friendly environment, and focus on the testing and [0:11:21, 0:11:22]: Ten incumbent. [0:11:24, 0:11:25]: Right instead of [0:11:30, 0:11:35]: between the system park, residential areas and the downtown areas. [0:11:38, 0:11:58]: Relation to the zoning of the property. The current zoning of LI is not compatible with the list of permanent zoning district that found in the requested high density resignation future lands destination to allow for the proposed zoning that applicant have requested resonance of the property from LI to MX Barrow to allow for the townhomes to rebuild. And that'll be heard of the capital. [0:11:57, 0:12:17]: Requesting high density residential is compatible with the request state MFR district. Page 32 of the unified development code states that the 10th of the MFR is to allow the development of multiple family residents served by the public water and sewage district. Provisions that regularly dismage district. [0:12:17, 0:12:28]: for the development of residential neighborhood in a high density urban development environment with access provided on the streets that are classified as collective. [0:12:31, 0:12:35]: So the ability of the side that requirements. [0:12:40, 0:12:45]: [779.7, 799.7]: That's located to the east that's being built out of this area. Changing the property's future land to destination from black industrial to high design residential is beneficial to the value of growth or allowing continue continuation of further residential development. [0:13:19, 0:13:39]: Than an additional adjusted result. As a result, this will enable the city of Southbridge to provide necessary housing. The requested 6.6 units per acre is consistent with the surrounding destiny of the subdivision as small as show about size 7 and 8. Furthermore, the surrounding C2 areas. [0:13:39, 0:13:47]: Located to the east as well as the city park makes the property suitable and feasible for the development of Taiwan. [0:13:55, 0:14:15]: To have existing residential Nipus and the city park, it is unlikely for the subject property to build for industrial use. In addition, the subject property is the only property within the vicinity, which has a light industrial designation and residential landing destinations around the property. Furthermore, only one other nearby property. [0:14:15, 0:14:19]: Therefore the request and the title is the person which we should. [0:14:19, 0:14:22]: Menus doesn't it won't be asked for the project's not interesting. [0:14:24, 0:14:44]: And the staff report has demonstrated that the request of the comp plan amendment via the twenty CP 2023-02 will be necessary and desirable for the subject property in conjunction with requested resolding of the properties via RZ 2023-03 to adopt the proposed units and requested variants of VR. [0:14:44, 0:14:51]: Twenty twenty three that also need to allow for reflection button correctly I said that therefore the plan and so the staff recommendation. [0:15:01, 0:15:04]: Any questions from the um board, commission? [0:15:04, 0:15:05]: Any questions? [0:15:05, 0:15:12]: Yeah, I have a question. Uh even if they build these town homes, uh, what kind of restrictions are we [0:15:12, 0:15:30]: putting on these townhomes for requirements, whether it be for uh safety, uh security, uh fencing or possibly uh for noise hazard, uh is it close to the train tracks or is on the uh behind [0:15:32, 0:15:36]: That's that's another thing I was looking at just now on on the paperwork. [0:15:36, 0:15:46]: Yes, uh we'll address those type of issues in the rezoning staff port staff report. Uh right now we just wanna address the land use. So save that question for the next presentation. [0:15:47, 0:15:48]: All right, thank you. [0:15:55, 0:15:56]: Any other questions? [0:15:59, 0:16:01]: Hearing none, may I have a motion for uh [0:16:03, 0:16:06]: The um zoning. [0:16:07, 0:16:14]: The amendment to um excuse me, Mr. Abdullah. Yes. This we got to allow the public to speak. [0:16:15, 0:16:16]: Oh, I'm sorry. [0:16:19, 0:16:24]: We have any comments from w first of all let me say I apologize that we open up the um [0:16:25, 0:16:27]: Hearing for public comments. [0:16:27, 0:16:29]: For those supporting and those opposing. [0:16:30, 0:16:34]: When you approach the podium, would you kindly give us your name, address, where you're located at? [0:16:35, 0:16:37]: And um provide your comment. [0:16:39, 0:16:41]: Those supporting, I go first. [0:16:46, 0:16:51]: The applicant, is the applicant here? Yes sir. You the applicant? Yes sir. Okay, go ahead. [0:16:55, 0:16:56]: Yeah. [0:17:07, 0:17:10]: You would need to start the clock again and call a different presentation up. [0:17:49, 0:17:50]: All right. [0:17:50, 0:17:58]: Good evening, Planning Commissioners. Thank you and staff. Um my name is Tiffany Hogan, thirteenth. Could you speak into the mic, please? Thank you. [0:18:05, 0:18:25]: My name is Tiffany Hogan, 1371 Dogwood Drive, on behalf of D.R. Horton, Atlanta East Division. I am the forward planning manager and I am here this evening to speak with you regarding 55 Valley Hill Road, which we are seeking a comprehensive land plan amendment as well as rezoning. [0:18:25, 0:18:28]: and a variance which will be discussed later. [0:18:30, 0:18:50]: Again, as staff has pointed out, the site is located just off of East Atlanta Road. Uh the railroad track does run right here. And when you cross the track to Valley Hill Road, that would be the access point, one access point into the community from Valley Hill and Davis Road runs behind the project. [0:18:54, 0:19:07]: This site is twenty-four point nine acres approximately. The current zoning, as well as the current future land use, is light industrial. We are seeking to rezone to uh to change the comprehensive land plan. [0:19:08, 0:19:28]: To high density residential in order to allow for multifamily residential rezoning, which would allow for a town home development. Since meetings with your staff, the councilwoman for this district, as well as a community meeting that was held a couple of nights ago, we did make some changes. [0:19:28, 0:19:48]: To the site plan from the one that was submitted with our application. One of those being a reduction in the number of units to 165 units from 173 units initially. So our density did change from just over seven units per acre to 6.62 units per acre. [0:19:47, 0:20:07]: There is a stream that runs directly through the center of this property, as Gordon pointed out during his presentation, and we'll see that a little bit closer in a second. So that did allow for an opportunity for more open space to be left on this site. We think that we did a very good job of laying out the plan around that. [0:20:07, 0:20:18]: But because of that and some additional open space areas that we are leaving throughout, we are significantly over the 15% open space requirement by your code. [0:20:20, 0:20:40]: This is the site plan. I know it's a little small on there. We have one main access point here that lines up with Stage Coach Road that's across the street there on Valley Hill. And then the second access point is over here, which aligns with Landover Drive off of Davis. So when you come into the community, you [0:20:40, 0:20:56]: You immediately have an open space area there, as well as some guest parking, which we've dispersed throughout the community. And you have units and then on the opposite side there's actually a dumpster area with hopes that as people are leaving the community, they would stop. [0:20:57, 0:21:00]: Лев верш за некси коммуніті. [0:21:00, 0:21:08]: We have some additional open space that is behind these. And then there is a main amenity area that's located here. [0:21:08, 0:21:12]: The entire site is uh surrounded by twenty five foot buffers. [0:21:13, 0:21:25]: And then there's also an additional almost 100 feet from the railroad tracks to the property line on each um through down throughout the site. [0:21:26, 0:21:37]: There's also a desail lane that we would be putting in here off of this Valley Hill Road entrance, and then a D sell lane that would be added here off of Davis Road as well. [0:21:39, 0:21:59]: So as you've heard, I'm kind of addressing all three applications here at once. The comprehensive plan amendment we are seeking is currently light industrial. We are seeking high-density residential. Staff has recommended approval. The rezoning application, light industrial, we are proposing multi-family residential. [0:21:59, 0:22:15]: residential staff has recommended approval with conditions and the variance application uh the current that your code requires is a 50-foot front setback we are requesting a 25 foot front setback and staff has also recommended that with conditions. [0:22:17, 0:22:37]: The Town Home Development meets the Comprehensive Plan Community Goals and Policies. It provides a mixture of housing options to attract young professionals, singles, and small families. It maintains a family-friendly environment and focuses on attracting and retaining young adults. It creates a sense of place for our community along our com along the commercial corridors. [0:22:37, 0:22:47]: and it identifies opportunities to create new trail connections between existing parks, residential areas, and the downtown. So let's talk a little bit how it meets all of those goals. [0:22:48, 0:22:53]: And again, this is that same comprehensive land plan map that you saw during Gordon's presentation. [0:22:53, 0:23:04]: Here is the site and the surrounding properties. This is high density residential. This is the subject property as low uh low light industrial, sorry. And then Oak Val Oak [0:23:05, 0:23:16]: Sorry, it's escaping my mind here. Oak uh villas is down here, which is high density residential as well. And then Diamante Town Homes would be over here. [0:23:18, 0:23:24]: And this map just shows a little bit better the residential that surrounds this light industrial site. [0:23:26, 0:23:37]: And this would be a layout of our townhome buildings. So the townhome units themselves are 24 feet by 50 feet deep. The lots would be 24 feet by 98 feet. [0:23:37, 0:23:42]: And then there is a eight foot wide multi-use path that would be throughout the community to connect. [0:23:43, 0:23:46]: That is one of those changes that came from some of the meetings that I mentioned earlier. [0:23:47, 0:24:07]: We understand that it's very important to have pedestrian connectivity throughout the site. So instead of just doing regular five foot sidewalks, we have um gone ahead and changed that to eight foot wide multi-use paths throughout the interior of the site. Along the frontage of the property, there will be 10 foot wide sidewalks that we would install. [0:24:07, 0:24:19]: The yards would be full side, the buildings would be 20 feet apart, which you see here, and there's a 20-foot rear yard setback, and then we are requesting the variance to 25 feet for the front yard setback. [0:24:21, 0:24:22]: This is again the current site. [0:24:24, 0:24:26]: And we're looking to make it look something like this. [0:24:29, 0:24:35]: And the community fill with the amenities. Again, we talked about the community fill with your comprehensive land plan and how we're meeting that. [0:24:36, 0:24:47]: In this amenity area, we would have a swimming pool, playground, clubhouse, the eight-foot multi-use path throughout the community, ten foot sidewalks on the frontage, and then multiple open spaces throughout the site as well. [0:24:48, 0:24:50]: This is an example of what the clubhouse would look like. [0:24:52, 0:24:58]: This is an example of what the pool would look like. Pool furniture. There's a mushroom there as well for the kids to play underneath. [0:24:59, 0:25:07]: This is the outside of the clubhouse ceiling fan there. And on that first image that I showed, there's actually ceiling fans on the side as well. [0:25:07, 0:25:22]: Patio furniture and again that mushroom that kids can play underneath, or adults if they choose. This map shows the proximity to the parks. So you have this light industrial site here that is prime for residential development to take uh make use. [0:25:23, 0:25:39]: of community amenities that are being paid for with tax dollars. You have Cochrane Park right here, absolutely walking distance, and then Clark Community Park right here as well, which is also walking distance. These are all within a half a mile because from [0:25:39, 0:25:52]: the subject site to the building that we're standing in right now is exactly one mile according to my Google. So if someone actually wanted to walk to your new amphitheater from this development for a concert, that would be very plausible for them to do that. [0:25:53, 0:26:01]: Again, the um community would consist of 165 new homes, 24-foot wide town homes, all two car garages. [0:26:01, 0:26:21]: Uh I'm sorry, there should not be 16 house plans there. That is from a old site, uh a different project, the single family detached. There are three bedrooms throughout. There is an opportunity for the end unit, for one end unit on each one of the buildings to be a four-bedroom unit, and there are now thirty-one buildings. So at max [0:26:21, 0:26:35]: There could be 31 four bedroom units, but all of the other bedrooms, all of the other units would be three bedrooms. Again, we are exceeding the open space requirements and these are all the amenities again that would be included there. Excuse me, you have one minute left. [0:26:36, 0:26:56]: And one of the things that I just wanted to point out about DR Horton, as we're in this housing crisis that we're currently in, it's very important to us that there's an opportunity for home ownership for all residents. So we do offer a special program called our Main Street Heroes program, which offers discounts to all of these people, or an incentive, I'm sorry, not a discount. Currently it is$1,000 towards their closed [0:26:56, 0:27:09]: closing costs. We also have a home buyers club which prepares people for home ownership to make sure they can purchase the home and stay in the home, becoming credit worthy and understanding what the mortgage looks like. That program is free of charge for those folks to use. [0:27:10, 0:27:17]: And this is another example of what the units would potentially look like. Thank you so much. I would be happy to entertain any questions from any of the commissioners. [0:27:19, 0:27:21]: May I uh speak, Mr Ch Chairman? [0:27:22, 0:27:29]: Uh, do you have a list of items that the community request in your last meeting that they were concerned about? [0:27:30, 0:27:36]: Yes, sir. So the main concern was traffic and I am going to reach out to your Department of Transportation. [0:27:36, 0:27:43]: The folks that live off of Davis Road had concerns about whether there are any plans for improvements of Davis Road. [0:27:43, 0:27:51]: So, I do want to have a conversation with your Department of Transportation about that. I do believe that that person was invited to the pre-application meeting as well. [0:27:52, 0:28:11]: Were they there right? Okay. I'm sorry, I'm looking at right. Um, so they would have had the opportunity at that time to tell us if they had any concerns about the additional traffic that would be on any of those roads. They did not express that, but based on the community feedback, I have agreed to check in and just see if there are any opportunities there. [0:28:12, 0:28:32]: Did you do a traffic study for that area? We did do a traffic study and as I mentioned at the beginning, my traffic engineer, Alex, is here with us and would be happy to answer any additional questions. The study is not complete yet. They have completed the counts. The study will be completed by the beginning of September and we will be able to provide that to staff and have it in time for the mayor council meeting. [0:28:32, 0:28:37]: Let me wr uh relate one thing to you about traffic study I have issues with. [0:28:38, 0:28:42]: Uh they'll do traffic studies during the week. [0:28:44, 0:28:46]: I don't ever see'em doing it for the weekend. [0:28:47, 0:28:51]: Is it possible they can do it during the weekend also? Not just during the week? [0:28:52, 0:28:59]: You want some counts for the weekend? Yes, because uh we have a a a lot of traffic on the weekend just as well as we have it during the week. [0:29:01, 0:29:19]: That is definitely something that we can explore, I believe, and I have the expert here so that I don't step over in his lane, but I do believe that the highest counts typically are during the week with school traffic and people commuting to work. Um, but that's definitely something that we can take into consideration. [0:29:22, 0:29:24]: I have a question for you. Yes, sir. [0:29:25, 0:29:29]: I'm concerned about the number of units going in, what impact it has on the local school district. [0:29:31, 0:29:50]: Because uh you bringing in a hundred and sixty-five home and just for sake of argument, one child per home, that's increasing the population in the local school by one hundred and sixty-five students. What impact is that gonna have on the school? How are you addressing that? Uh have you spoke with the local um officials about that? [0:29:52, 0:30:12]: We have not spoken with them about the schools, but what I will say is I have no problem making that phone call and getting those numbers for them to see if your schools are currently under capacity or over capacity or whatever the case may be for this particular school district. In addition to that, uh what we are seeing a lot with town home development. [0:30:12, 0:30:32]: developments is that it is either small families, like you said, maybe one child or no children at all for millennials, and seniors are also looking to move into townhomes so that they can downsize. So we are seeing a mixture of that in townhome developments. So I understand your concerns, but I think that we have [0:30:32, 0:30:43]: Yeah, I understand that, but uh any development like this has an impact on the on the schools. Absolutely. And uh [0:30:44, 0:30:47]: uh education is is is uh a a major [0:30:48, 0:31:08]: issue these days and uh to have uh a particular school overcrowded uh does a disservice to both to the community and the students. So uh I would hope that you would look into that and see what kind of impact that would have on uh understanding that and I'm just using one child per household as as the basis of my argument that means the [0:31:08, 0:31:12]: The population of the school has increased by one hundred and sixty-five students. [0:31:12, 0:31:29]: And so as you pointed out, m not everyone will have a child. There'd be some senior citizens, some professionals don't have kids, et cetera. But I think the impact on the schools, the fire department, the ambulance, all that comes into play. And I think those are some issues that needs to be addressed. [0:31:30, 0:31:50]: We can definitely make that call to the school system and have those numbers. Um I would also uh as far as ambulance, uh police, those folks were definitely invited to the pre-application meeting and have had an opportunity to review this plan actually at the higher unit count, so we've reduced it now. Um so they [0:31:50, 0:31:59]: They did have an opportunity for input and there were no concerns expressed. Okay. We will we will have that report from the school board in time for the mayor's council meeting. [0:32:00, 0:32:01]: Okay. [0:32:05, 0:32:25]: That it thank you for your presentation. Um, I have a couple questions for you. Yes, sir. First of all, um what are the prices, anticipated prices going to be for these townhomes when they sell, go for go up for sale? Yes, sir. So we anticipate if we had to estimate based on today's cost, because one thing that I [0:32:25, 0:32:45]: did leave out and it will address your question a little bit about schools as well. If this is successfully rezoned, then sorry, thank you. If this is successfully rezoned, we are still anywhere from 18 to 24 months before we begin development on this site. And then a project of this size is about a two and a half year [0:32:45, 0:32:56]: before it is at full build out, full or full capacity. So um one of the things that we would do is um [0:32:57, 0:33:01]: Sorry, forgot where I was going there. Remind me of your question again. [0:33:01, 0:33:04]: I got distracted when I realized I wasn't talking into the mic. [0:33:06, 0:33:07]: What was your question again? [0:33:07, 0:33:27]: The value of the home. The value of the home. If we had to estimate uh at today's cost, then of course two years could change a little bit, but we would estimate that they would be in the low threes. Uh and that would be the starting price. Remember, majority of them would be three bedrooms unless someone chose that option for the one of the thirty-one units that could be four bedrooms on the end. [0:33:28, 0:33:37]: Did I also understand you to say there would be more than one entrance and exit in this community? Yes, sir. So there will be two access points. [0:33:45, 0:33:58]: So the what we would consider the main access, because we anticipate that the majority of the people would be using East Atlanta Road, the majority of the time, would be right here off of Valley Hill, and then the other access point would be right here off of Davis. [0:33:59, 0:34:06]: Okay. So just to give you a visual, uh Clark Park is right down here. So this is Davis, the access on Davis. [0:34:06, 0:34:14]: In your plan, i is there a homeowner association part of this plan? Okay. There will be a mandatory homeowners association, yes sir. [0:34:14, 0:34:34]: Uh and are you aware that this whole piece of property is in the blast zone of the Norfolk Southern Railroad that comes through there? Uh the line here that runs through Stockbridge is the most used short line in the country with about a hundred and fifteen tra uh trips per day. So I just was [0:34:34, 0:34:49]: wondering how you were gonna sell those to people when the train tracks are right there on top of'em and and you're in the blast zone where they're actually honking their horn both directions to for that crossing there at Valley Hill. [0:34:49, 0:35:01]: Yes, sir. So we have taken that into consideration and one of the reasons that we selected the traffic engineering firm that we selected is because they have more experience with planning um [0:35:01, 0:35:21]: traffic uh traffic around train intersections and also doing some work on train intersections themselves. So we have asked them specifically to look into the number of trips that the train is making and all of that. So we will have additional information about that in the traffic impact study. As far as the sound, we have built [0:35:21, 0:35:41]: other projects near um train tracks and what happens is there is a clause that is in the contract that specifically says to those folks you understand that you're purchasing a property that's near a train track and therefore there may be noise from that. Obviously it's not something that we're trying to hide from people. They'll see it with the main access point. [0:35:41, 0:35:52]: being having to cross the railroad tracks to get into it. But there will be a clause so that those people do have to sign off. They have a clear understanding that the train may be coming by and making noise. [0:35:53, 0:36:00]: Okay. Did did you say you had a traffic person here with you? I do, yes. And then answer some questions. Uh absolutely. Alex. [0:36:01, 0:36:04]: Let me ask you one more question before they come up. Yes, sir. Yeah. [0:36:05, 0:36:09]: Since this is going to be a subdivision in a townhouse community. [0:36:09, 0:36:29]: How are you going to address potential renters? Because it's been not my experience, but sitting on the board here, many people come here, they buy a townhouse and then they end up renting it. And renters don't care for the property as much as the owner does. So how do you tend to address that or if you plan to address that? [0:36:29, 0:36:49]: So one of those slides that I actually had to fly through at the end because I only had a minute left actually talks about how our agents are trained to sell to owner occupants for so that means that the first person that we are selling to is supposed to be an owner occupant. We also hold seminars to educate. [0:36:49, 0:37:09]: Other local agents that aren't DR Horton agents on new home construction and first-time buyers to encourage them to bring their first-time home buyers to the property. Another thing that we do and that we discussed with the councilwoman for this district when we met with her is in the homeowner association governing document. [0:37:09, 0:37:25]: documents having a rental cap in there. It is my understanding that recently a 10% cap has been what was proposed, but the councilwoman did ask for a 5% cap, and we are agreeable to whatever staff, planning commission, mayor, council decides that cap should be. [0:37:26, 0:37:26]: Thank you. [0:37:28, 0:37:28]: Okay. [0:37:30, 0:37:31]: Any one of Alex? Yeah. [0:37:32, 0:37:35]: Alex Simmons, I'm a professional engineer with Kekkenwood Engineering. [0:37:36, 0:37:56]: Very good. Um, Valley Hill Road. I'm very familiar with it. I used to travel it four times a day. Um, are you aware of what the traffic is like going east down Valley Hill Road right now? I I am, both from an analysis standpoint and then I've actually conducted site visits to observe traffic in the area. [0:37:56, 0:37:57]: So yes, sir. [0:37:57, 0:38:17]: Okay. I can just imagine school buses trying to get in and out of there with traffic backed up thirty cars deep from the railroad tracks. And that's without a train. That's just with the s green red and green stop signal that is there, people trying to come down and turn either north or south on East Atlanta. I I I [0:38:17, 0:38:37]: see a huge problem for the the residents who would live there trying to even get out in the morning to go to work in the morning because it's so backed up and you you're looking both directions, cars coming up the hill over the railroad track and down the hill off of Valley Hill and it is not a nice intersection at all. [0:38:37, 0:38:55]: Um I just wanna make sure your uh your traffic study is it takes all that into consideration because it backs up, like I said, easily thirty cars deep during most of the hours of the day, let alone rush hour. Okay and considering school buses and things like that. [0:38:55, 0:39:09]: Can we say these questions for the rezon? Uh we're getting off track. This is just about the land use. Uh we've very way off track, so we need to get back on track. We just need to address the land use during this question. Well part of it. Um so [0:39:11, 0:39:15]: Yep. Okay, thank you. These will be these items will be discussed on the rezoning staff report. [0:39:18, 0:39:20]: Come back. Yeah. We're gonna circle back. Okay. [0:39:24, 0:39:44]: Again, I'm gonna be the loudmouth here. In my opinion, the comprehensive land use plan on this piece of property is absolutely correct for what it should be. It has been commercial since I've moved here in 1985. Uh it's always been light industrial. It should stay light industrial. Again, with uh being adjacent to the railroad track like it. [0:39:44, 0:39:54]: is and have a minimum amount of traffic coming in and out of there. I think a residential development would be pretty bad, my opinion. [0:39:59, 0:40:02]: I think we should open up for public comment at this point. [0:40:06, 0:40:08]: All those projects supporting uh [0:40:10, 0:40:16]: Oh I'm sorry. [0:40:16, 0:40:34]: Oh, the the uh amendment is open for public comment. Those supporting the amendment can come forward, provide us with your name, address. Just asking if he was aware of the traffic pardon me down there. I'm I'm sorry, your name and address and whether you support or oppose it. [0:40:36, 0:40:37]: How back, so [0:40:38, 0:40:39]: Those supporting. [0:40:41, 0:40:43]: Opposing. Do you have any supporting uh [0:40:45, 0:40:47]: in member of the public supporting this. [0:40:48, 0:40:51]: Hearing non the op oh the posing oh where? [0:40:53, 0:40:58]: Pardon me? He opposed. He opposed. Okay. All right, ma'am, you first. [0:41:00, 0:41:04]: Um the speakers will need to fill out their name and address on this clipboard, please. [0:41:10, 0:41:12]: Mr Chair, how many uh minutes does each speaker have? [0:41:13, 0:41:15]: Three minutes. Thank you. [0:41:18, 0:41:21]: Miss, would you provide your name and address on the sheet there? [0:41:43, 0:41:49]: My name is Gwen Mac. We do on microphone. Can you hear me? Yeah. Okay. [0:41:50, 0:42:10]: I'm Gwen Mack. My address is 377 Grove Hill Drive. I live in the Valley Hill Station subdivision. I oppose this construction. We have all the council has already approved two constructions, um, which I'm opposed to and most of our neighbors are opposed to. [0:42:10, 0:42:15]: 576 Davis Road, you're gonna have 165 units. [0:42:15, 0:42:20]: Seven thirteen Valley Hill Road, the townhomes gonna be fifty six units. [0:42:20, 0:42:24]: Now you're trying to build another one sixty five units. [0:42:24, 0:42:26]: on Valley Hill Road, a two lane [0:42:27, 0:42:28]: Um road. [0:42:28, 0:42:30]: With the railroad track at the end. [0:42:30, 0:42:32]: The street is very busy. [0:42:33, 0:42:38]: We're concerned about traffic. There's so many accidents around on that main road. [0:42:38, 0:42:43]: Because you in and out going to publics, you're going to one thirty eight or North Henry, whatever you wanna call it. [0:42:43, 0:42:45]: It's just a bad decision. [0:42:45, 0:42:47]: I moved to Stockbridge. [0:42:47, 0:42:52]: When I moved to Georgia, because I wanted to be outside the city limits, not in Atlanta. [0:42:52, 0:42:55]: Натаран холла субдивизі на таунхом. [0:42:56, 0:43:02]: It it I moved here because I'm I'm from a small town and I wanted to be in a small town with not a lot of [0:43:03, 0:43:04]: commotion going on. [0:43:04, 0:43:10]: Now that we've been annexed, which I was opposed to, into the city of Stockbridge, I'm just really [0:43:10, 0:43:13]: disappointed with the city of Stockbridge um [0:43:14, 0:43:16]: trying to do all these constructions. [0:43:16, 0:43:18]: In inside our city limits. [0:43:18, 0:43:21]: We live in a small quiet subdivision. [0:43:22, 0:43:28]: To me, when you bring more units and more people in the area, then you asking for more police, you ask for more [0:43:29, 0:43:31]: traffic, you're asking for more [0:43:31, 0:43:32]: Crime. [0:43:32, 0:43:37]: That's the reason we live. Most of the people in our neighborhood have been living thirty plus years. [0:43:38, 0:43:50]: So I'm opposed to this construction as well as another construction that's going on on Valley Hill Road. I'm very disappointed that you if you guys approve this. It's too much traffic. [0:43:51, 0:43:52]: Even though you want to build a city. [0:43:52, 0:43:55]: This is still not Atlanta, it's stock bridge. [0:43:55, 0:43:59]: And we want to remain in a stockbridge type area. [0:44:00, 0:44:01]: Thank you. [0:44:01, 0:44:21]: Before you leave, can I can I add something to your conversation? Yes. Even though we will make a decision here, the city council can overturn whatever decision we make. I understand that. Okay. I just want to make sure you're aware of it. I understand. That's why I said I'm very disappointed in the city of Stockbridge and the city council. [0:44:21, 0:44:32]: Okay. So'cause I understand what they're trying to do. Okay. So at the end of the day, you know, if we make decisions here, we don't have the last say so. I I understand. All right. Thanks, ma'am. I appreciate that. [0:44:34, 0:44:35]: Sir, you may approach. [0:44:44, 0:44:52]: Did you sign the sheet there? I did. Okay. Okay. Good evening. My name is Jerome Mitchell. Post the mic so we can hear post the mic so we can hear you. [0:44:54, 0:45:00]: Can you hear me now? Yeah. Okay. I say my name is Jerome Mitch and I live on Davis Road and I've been here [0:45:01, 0:45:03]: Approximately twenty years. [0:45:03, 0:45:14]: And I don't think it's a good idea to uh put uh wait a minute, well, I'm not clear. I call and they said it was only a hundred and twenty units going up. Are you saying it's a hundred and sixty five units? [0:45:15, 0:45:17]: Correct. At this point, yeah. [0:45:17, 0:45:37]: Oh, okay. So I didn't get that information. But yeah, that's that's gonna be a lot. A lot. I'm opposed to all the traffic that's gonna be going on and of course the the infrastructure now. I heard that we was getting sidewalks in this center third on on Davis Road. So now if they gonna come with these short driveways [0:45:37, 0:45:51]: Are we still gonna get some of the stuff that we was promised? Like uh the uh storm train covered with sidewalks and stuff like that. I mean'cause I would got that four or five years ago and it never happened. [0:45:52, 0:45:54]: So I mean I just don't want all the traffic. [0:45:56, 0:46:00]: Uh'cause I mean I live right next door to where the property is going. [0:46:01, 0:46:06]: So I mean I'm sure it's gonna interfere with with some of the stuff that I do on my property, but [0:46:07, 0:46:08]: That's all I got to say. [0:46:09, 0:46:10]: So you oppose it then? [0:46:11, 0:46:12]: Say again? [0:46:13, 0:46:20]: Oh yes, for sure. All right, okay. Just want to make sure. Okay. All right, thank you. Anyone else? [0:46:22, 0:46:23]: Yes, ma'am. [0:46:26, 0:46:28]: Yeah, sign it first and could put it right there. [0:46:31, 0:46:51]: Well while she signs, Mr. Chair, I think I wanna just interject here. Um I think all of our concerns, uh, community, uh those on this diocese, the traffic in the area. Um, is it possible or before we uh before we, you know, move anything for or you I know you'll be coming up later to give us the traffic count, but um [0:46:52, 0:46:56]: I I'll wait till then. So I can kinda hear their report and then I'll come back. [0:47:05, 0:47:05]: That's really fun. [0:47:06, 0:47:08]: Oh it's both of them. [0:47:08, 0:47:10]: The administration will come. [0:47:14, 0:47:16]: Well I'm listening to everything. [0:47:17, 0:47:19]: [2848.8, 2868.8]: Yes, ma'am, do good. Okay. Uh my name is Sandra Goings, two ten, Oak Circle North, Stockbridge. And uh along with the other concerns that that have been mentioned, I agree with that. Uh I opposed this because I'm wondering about when they [0:47:48, 0:47:50]: Ремов ал встреч. [0:47:51, 0:48:04]: from the area and put these townhouses in, is that gonna make then the railroad noise even worse for the surrounding areas, just by m removing the trees from the land? [0:48:06, 0:48:22]: That was all I have to say. Well I'm t as a general rule, uh trees provide that kind of buffer and they do uh um uh dampen the uh noise. And so of course if you remove the trees then your noise is going to increase. [0:48:22, 0:48:30]: Okay, and that's uh why I one another reason that I'm against it is because it will probably increase the noise level from the trains. [0:48:32, 0:48:33]: So you oppose it? [0:48:33, 0:48:39]: I'm opposed. Definitely opposed. All right. Approximately how far away do you live from the railroad crossing? [0:48:40, 0:48:48]: From the railroad uh I'm not near the railroad crossing. I'm off of Davis Road in Big Oak Villas. [0:48:48, 0:48:53]: W and the property will be backing up to part of our subdivision. [0:48:54, 0:48:58]: C could you hear the railroad trains from where you live now? [0:48:58, 0:48:59]: You know [0:49:00, 0:49:09]: I don't usually hear. Okay. Not too bad. Yeah. Well you've either developed an immunity to it. Most people who live near a railroad track [0:49:10, 0:49:14]: Uh they hear and they don't hear the the trains passing through because they've [0:49:15, 0:49:18]: developed an immunity to it. And so uh [0:49:19, 0:49:19]: You know. [0:49:20, 0:49:25]: I've had that experience. I know what you're talking about. Okay. All right, thank you. Anyone else? [0:49:27, 0:49:28]: Anyone else? [0:49:31, 0:49:36]: Hearing none, uh the public comment is now closed. In favor? [0:49:47, 0:49:53]: Mr. Chair, I I'd just like to address a couple of the um concerns that we heard. Um [0:49:53, 0:50:13]: One with the removal of the trees, please keep in mind, and I've taken my presentation down, but there will be a buffer that remains between the railroad track and the property line, pretty much what it is now for the side that you can see off of Valley Hill Road. So it won't change, it should not change anything on that side because those trees [0:50:13, 0:50:33]: Are within that hundred feet that I talked about. And then there's an additional 25-foot buffer around the entire property that we will be leaving and doing some replanting in as well. The concerns about the traffic, of course, we've already discussed that. That we have our traffic engineer here, he can discuss that later. But I want to remind you that this part is for the [0:50:33, 0:50:50]: comprehensive plan update as staff has stated and that light industrial piece is not in character with the surrounding properties that are there. We believe that um changing the comprehensive land use there to multifamily residential would be more in character what's there. [0:50:50, 0:51:05]: And we have also shown you that it meets the goals of your comprehensive land plan to have a change to a residential um land use in that area. So we do hope that you would consider approval of the comprehensive land a map amendment. Thank you. [0:51:14, 0:51:21]: Okay, the uh public uh comment section is now closed. Ask the planning commission members to uh [0:51:22, 0:51:23]: Examine the amendment. [0:51:24, 0:51:26]: And may I have a motion. [0:51:28, 0:51:29]: That is for um [0:51:31, 0:51:36]: The twenty twenty three oh two um comprehensive plan amendment. [0:51:40, 0:51:42]: May I have a motion? [0:51:47, 0:51:54]: Mr. President, I'll put uh present a motion for the property at fifty-five Valley Hill Road. [0:51:56, 0:51:57]: That uh [0:51:59, 0:52:02]: We not approved the uh zoning for that. [0:52:03, 0:52:04]: The amendment the amendment. [0:52:04, 0:52:06]: Yeah, the amendment for that. [0:52:06, 0:52:11]: Your motion is what now? That we do not approve the amendment for that. [0:52:13, 0:52:14]: We have a second. A second. [0:52:17, 0:52:20]: All those in favor let it be known by the sign of I. [0:52:20, 0:52:21]: Uh-huh. [0:52:21, 0:52:24]: Those opposed? Aye. [0:52:27, 0:52:31]: Let me do that again'cause I think you misunderstood what's going on. He made a motion to deny. [0:52:32, 0:52:40]: Oh he made a motion. That's what I'm saying. I made it he made it he made Yes. Okay. All right. Let's start over. [0:52:41, 0:53:01]: Uh Mr Tibador, would you make your motion again, please? Yes, uh I'd like to present a motion that we deny. Excuse me. Point of order, because the motion has already been made, I would ask the maker of the motion to amend his original motion and then call for a second. [0:53:01, 0:53:02]: Second. [0:53:04, 0:53:12]: You heard us you say you need to amend the motion and then again. I'd like to amend the motion that we deny the change. [0:53:15, 0:53:20]: And that we uh redo a second to that motion? Correct? [0:53:23, 0:53:27]: You just it would be a second to the amended motion. I will second that. [0:53:29, 0:53:38]: Been moved and seconded. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed? Hearing none, the ayes have the amendment is denied. [0:53:41, 0:53:53]: We go to item nine, rezoning case number two. Mr Chairman, yeah. Is is anything else relevant for this property at this point? [0:53:54, 0:54:00]: The reality is no it's this I mean, it f at this point it's really perfunctory, but we do have an agenda that we have to adhere to. [0:54:00, 0:54:04]: The uh second item is is is for rezoning. [0:54:04, 0:54:06]: The amendment has been denied, so [0:54:07, 0:54:14]: the uh rezoning would be perfunctory at best. And then there's a variant also fall in the same category, if we asked. [0:54:15, 0:54:18]: uh counsel over there what we should do in this right regard. [0:54:18, 0:54:25]: Yes, Chair, because these matters have been advertised for a public hearing before this commission, you still have to go through the process. [0:54:27, 0:54:29]: Exactly. Okay, I just wanna make sure. [0:54:30, 0:54:50]: Okay. Item nine, rezoning case number RZ twenty twenty three dash O three. Uh consideration for a request for rezoning to assign the manufacturing multi to assign the multifamily residential zoning district to property fifty-five Valley Hill Road to allow for construction. [0:54:50, 0:54:54]: [3294.6, 3303.5]: The property is located in land lot sixty-nine of District twelve and it contains twenty-four point nine six plus or minus acres within Stockbridge city limits. [0:55:06, 0:55:10]: We're trying to get the flash drive to open. [0:55:10, 0:55:11]: Mm-hmm. [0:55:16, 0:55:18]: It's not it's none of those. [0:55:51, 0:55:52]: Okay. [0:55:53, 0:56:00]: This is um presentation for rezoning case number R Z twenty twenty three oh three. [0:56:00, 0:56:03]: For proposed town homes at fifty five Valley Hill Road. [0:56:04, 0:56:07]: Uh a lot of this of course we have covered but [0:56:07, 0:56:15]: This particular case is to rezone the property from LI Light Industrial to MFR multiple family uh residential. [0:56:16, 0:56:20]: And as you've just heard, the proposed comprehensive l um amendment application. [0:56:21, 0:56:26]: Number C P twenty twenty three oh two and then following this will be the variance application. [0:56:26, 0:56:29]: Number VR twenty twenty three O two. [0:56:30, 0:56:38]: This is the aerial photograph, Valley Hill Road here and Davis Road here, and then the railroad tracks to the side. [0:56:39, 0:56:44]: Uh the big old villas here for your reference, and then East Atlanta Road. [0:56:44, 0:56:45]: In this area. [0:56:47, 0:56:55]: Uh we have the property is shown in the lavender color here with the star, a light industrial. There's a few other small pieces of light industrial around it. [0:56:55, 0:56:59]: Uh, the blue area is a downtown district, uh, the gold is [0:56:59, 0:56:59]: Um [0:57:00, 0:57:02]: uh suburban residential [0:57:02, 0:57:04]: And um [0:57:04, 0:57:08]: Brown is uh a multiple family uh residential. [0:57:11, 0:57:18]: Let's see it's parcel number S sixteen oh one oh oh six thousand twenty four point nine oh eight acres. [0:57:19, 0:57:23]: Um Valley Hill Road's classified as a major collector. [0:57:24, 0:57:27]: There's currently a small office building, warehouse, and open shed there. [0:57:29, 0:57:37]: Um we have a few other subdivisions around it as well as uh small churches uh to the north. I'm just um [0:57:38, 0:57:40]: Doing the highlights here. [0:57:46, 0:57:58]: Um, Gordon already covered the surrounding land use designations. The applicant did submit a boundary survey split into the northern and southern sections. The center of the property has [0:57:58, 0:58:01]: Um in this area some as part of the industrial [0:58:02, 0:58:06]: uses that were there, some uh a debris area as it was [0:58:07, 0:58:07]: Termed [0:58:08, 0:58:08]: Um [0:58:09, 0:58:12]: old uh piles of wood piles and [0:58:12, 0:58:13]: Um [0:58:15, 0:58:17]: Old Bannon cars, I think. [0:58:17, 0:58:19]: Those kind of things will be cleaned up, of course. [0:58:21, 0:58:27]: The would be a hundred sixty five units, three bedrooms, um twenty four feet wide, ninety eight feet deep. [0:58:28, 0:58:33]: Um did have some internal cul de sacs and five foot sidewalks on both sides. [0:58:35, 0:58:36]: Um [0:58:36, 0:58:46]: Some of the amenities would be a clubhouse, pool, playground, dog park, tennis court, walking trail, fitness center, picnic area with a grill and covered pavilion. [0:58:47, 0:58:53]: A community garden, reflection area, fire pit, gathering area, and a possible connection eastward to Cochrane Park. [0:58:57, 0:58:59]: All right. Um they have met the [0:59:00, 0:59:01]: Parking requirements. [0:59:01, 0:59:04]: Uh four hundred and ten altogether. [0:59:04, 0:59:06]: sixty eight guest parking spaces. [0:59:07, 0:59:09]: Of course it'd be two car garages plus two [0:59:10, 0:59:11]: Guest parking in the dryways. [0:59:12, 0:59:16]: And then some scattered uh guest parking lots next to the clubhouse and throughout the site. [0:59:18, 0:59:20]: There'd be three storm owner ponds. [0:59:20, 0:59:33]: uh zoning buffers, twenty-five foot buffer around the property and the railroad buffer an additional ten foot railroad buffer. That's the requirement. The creek is a creek in the center, would have a twenty-five foot stream buffer. [0:59:33, 0:59:38]: fifty foot undisturbed buffer buffer and seventy five foot impervious surface. [0:59:39, 0:59:43]: There would also be an environmental impact study that's being prepared. [0:59:43, 0:59:44]: Um [0:59:46, 0:59:48]: Okay, a lot of this we've covered. [0:59:49, 0:59:51]: Ah, let's see. [0:59:52, 0:59:53]: Let's move on down here. [0:59:55, 1:00:00]: Uh the applicant did submit a black and white uh site plan as well as the colored [1:00:01, 1:00:03]: Uh that you just looked at [1:00:05, 1:00:10]: And there's a site data includes some of these statistics that we mentioned. [1:00:12, 1:00:17]: We've concluded this would be acceptable uh use of the property. Um [1:00:20, 1:00:32]: Uh we recommend approval with conditions based on of course approval of this comprehensive plan amendment, the variants to come, uh the specific site plan similar to what you've seen here tonight. [1:00:34, 1:00:54]: Um as well as um oh there was a letter from the um Public Works Office uh that said um they have one year until June 29, 2024 to submit construction plans um in order to uh reserve a sewer capacity on the property. [1:00:54, 1:01:00]: We're also conditioning this on an acceptable traffic study and environmental impact study. [1:01:01, 1:01:02]: Any questions? [1:01:06, 1:01:09]: No, in front of the c commission. [1:01:12, 1:01:15]: Sorry? None. Okay. [1:01:18, 1:01:20]: You're from the applicant. [1:01:23, 1:01:26]: Ms Ms. Logan, then no questions. [1:01:26, 1:01:34]: Okay. I guess you'll move to the public hearing or maybe the applicant would like to speak. Hear from the applicant. [1:01:35, 1:01:36]: Mm-hmm. [1:01:49, 1:01:57]: Hello again, Commissioners. For the sake of time, I won't uh disconnect Miss Logan's PowerPoint and put mine up. [1:01:58, 1:02:18]: So um again you've seen our presentation this evening. We do believe that the best use of this property would have been an amendment to the land use plan and a residential zoning for this site. Stockbridge is in a situation where you are growing [1:02:18, 1:02:38]: You are developing and having an industrial site amongst all of the residential is not likely the best use of that property. We understand your concerns about the noise from the train, as are our concerns as well. We are in the business of selling homes and always want to be [1:02:38, 1:02:58]: Be able to sell out a community in its entirety. In fact, you should note that D.R. Horton is the number one builder in the country, as well as in the Atlanta metropolitan market for the last 20 plus years. The only way that we are able to do that is being very strategic about the projects that we build. [1:02:58, 1:03:15]: and about how we are marketing those. No less of that same analysis went into the selection of this site. Again, for the sake of time, because the comprehensive land plan was already recommended denial, I will entertain any questions, but will yield at this time. [1:03:19, 1:03:31]: Um I would like to point out something else. Uh so the property is zoned light industrial right now and of course if the if the rezoning is denied then that means the property could be uh developed into additional [1:03:32, 1:03:34]: light industrial uses. Um I have here [1:03:35, 1:03:39]: If case you're interested, a list of those uses that would would be allowed. [1:03:45, 1:04:05]: Oh, okay, I should read'em. So um agricultural implementant implementation and equipment establishments, armory and equipment sales, automobile service repair stations providing major repair, uh building materials and lumber supply establishments, business distribution centers, business [1:04:04, 1:04:09]: Business parks, um commercial parking garages and lots. [1:04:09, 1:04:23]: Computer and data processing services, fabrication shops, commercial greenhouses and plant nurseries, including landscaping services, manufacturing, compounding, processing, or assembling food or consumer goods. [1:04:24, 1:04:26]: Newspaper and printing plants. [1:04:27, 1:04:27]: Um [1:04:28, 1:04:37]: And so forth. So those uses all allowed in this district and can be built there uh in under the existing zoning. What about warehouse? [1:04:38, 1:04:38]: Oh. [1:04:39, 1:04:44]: Let's see there are additional industrial and where you have public utilities. Um [1:04:45, 1:04:48]: Substations repair, reconditioning, manufacturing. [1:04:48, 1:04:50]: trade shops, electrical plumbing heating. [1:04:51, 1:05:04]: uh wholesale business, warehouse distribution, and similar non processing storage and distribution uses. So those kind of uses would be allowed to come onto the site. [1:05:05, 1:05:20]: If um and we don't we don't feel that those would be appropriate to this area. It's mostly um suburban uh residential and rural residential around it. And um so uh we feel that the proposed zoning uh would be appropriate. [1:05:38, 1:05:42]: And Mr. Chair, as a reminder, Alex is here to discuss traffic as well. [1:05:50, 1:06:03]: Okay. Alex Simmons again, I'm with Kekkenwood. I'm a professional engineer and work in the traffic engineering, traffic operations business. Um I'll start. Was there any questions or would you like me to d address your questions still or just talk over the site in general? [1:06:05, 1:06:25]: I couldn't understand. Sorry. Did you did you still have a question that you would like like to ask or would like to have me answer or not? Okay. No. No. So I'll I'll give just a quick overview. Um so we have started our preliminary findings in the traffic impact study. Um with the site changes, because we were trying to prepare for this meeting, we actually [1:06:25, 1:06:45]: overestimated trips by 15% for for this meeting. So we didn't show the reduction in in um in housing. But what we found is even with this development, even with projecting traffic out to 2026, we still see acceptable level of service. And so what that means is that the [1:06:45, 1:07:05]: The unsignalized intersections and the signalized intersection are still expected to operate adequately. So I'll add to that the queuing concerns. I think that's something that everyone's kind of talked to with the train tracks, access to the site. So again, I've been out there. [1:07:05, 1:07:25]: Is not something that I looked at in Google Earth and then come here today to talk to. So we have watched the site. One thing that we do see is that yes, there are some cues at the signal. So again, that eastbound movement across the tracks. But what we all what we also see is that the signal does a very good job of clearing those cues. So every cycle. [1:07:25, 1:07:45]: We see those cars progressing through the signal. And so again, looking at our analysis, looking at build-out year of 2026, so again, looking at that background traffic that you guys are going to get from other developments, and then with our site, we really only see a change of four vehicles. So again, I want you guys to take that into consideration, if not today. [1:07:45, 1:08:05]: In the future, is that we're looking at a change in four vehicles. So I think in closing, what I would say is that there are further adjustments that can be made to the traffic signal. There's limitations, yes, because of the proximity of the railroad tracks, but signal timing, advanced programming, there's so many things. [1:08:05, 1:08:20]: That can be done there. The timings there are very basic and they work for what's there now, but accommodations can be made to help facilitate um higher throughput in the future. And so with that I'll I'll let you guys ask any questions if you have them. [1:08:22, 1:08:42]: I have one more question regarding the Norfolk Southern Railroad. Um I know the close proximity of that property to the railroad line itself. Are there any requirements from Norfolk Southern that are going to increase the setback off their rail line once that piece of property is developed? Because I know right now being light industrial [1:08:42, 1:09:02]: they were able to, you know, have access right up almost to the railroad line where changing anything about that property may involve Norfolk Southern and their requirements because they're they're pretty wide open what they want around their railroad track. Just uh curious. I I [1:09:02, 1:09:22]: I can't speak to the the zoning or construction of homes and and the rules of railroad tracks. I can speak to signal operation, signal design, and proximity to railroad tracks. So unfortunately I can't answer that question. Um I'll kind of leave you with one thing. You guys talked about several of the land uses that could be built under the current land use. [1:09:22, 1:09:42]: And just one thing to remember is the types of vehicles that are predominantly used on those. So you may have less trips overall, but you're gonna see more heavy vehicles. And so a lot of people have mentioned infrastructure, the road infrastructure and things like that. Those are the vehicles that wear your roads out. Whereas there could be more single-family homes. [1:09:42, 1:10:02]: Homes and more single unit cars. However, you're not seeing that impact to the asphalt to the pavement day over day. You also have higher concerns of heavy trucks in relation to the railroad tracks, right? Everyone knows the spacing distance from that stop bar to the railroad tracks to old stagecoach road. Again, seeing [1:10:02, 1:10:12]: more and more heavy vehicles on those roads, that queue actually lengthens. Um so that's something to keep in mind as well as you as you look through what could potentially be built in place of this. [1:10:13, 1:10:32]: Fortunately the other developments that we've looked at along Valley Hill Road and adjacent to Davis Road have all been traffic going that direction to the west toward the interstate. Not much of it would be coming back into the city of Stockbridge, which was one of the things we had to consider [1:10:32, 1:10:52]: You know, when we looked at the flow of traffic, that that very f little bit of it, except for maybe school traffic in the morning, was actually going to come into the city, a stockbridge, or go over those railroad tracks. So it's it's just it's a balance that we try to maintain with with you know, the traffic flow that we know is terrible now. Uh a lot of people I think and even [1:10:52, 1:11:12]: In the city and the county are looking at increasing the flow on Valley Hill, widening it, making more turn lanes accessible, that kind of stuff. Unfortunately, where the entrance is for this project is located, it prohibits having another stoplight because it's too close to the stoplight that's on East Atlanta. [1:11:12, 1:11:16]: So it it's it's it's a balance that we have to look at. [1:11:16, 1:11:36]: Yeah, and again, all I can do is just reiterate from a uh from an analysis standpoint that even with the driveway and the cars projected there, that the operations, again, having having old stagecoach road and then the site driveway, that the level of services A, which again is the best level of service that you can provide in a in an operational analysis. [1:11:36, 1:11:56]: Analysis for the road. You know, we're looking at overall this site generating 90 vehicle trips in the morning. So again, we talked about when we expect to see heavier traffic, a.m. and PM are when people travel. So we expect to see roughly 90 trips in the morning, and then just over that in the PM peak. But again, when you look at [1:11:56, 1:12:16]: at this site you're looking at two site driveways. You don't have to think of this site as everybody going on Valley Hill Road or everyone going on Davis Road. So again it's good to keep in mind that there are two access points. Those trips will be divided among those two. So you're not just seeing a high density of vehicles on one movement. Yep. I I would suggest go see [1:12:16, 1:12:25]: sit at that driveway to the entrance of the old pipe company that is there, turn around and come out and try to make a left turn onto Valley Hill. [1:12:26, 1:12:28]: I think you'll see what I'm talking about. [1:12:30, 1:12:31]: Sorry about that. [1:12:32, 1:12:33]: All right. [1:12:33, 1:12:34]: Thank you guys. [1:12:37, 1:12:39]: We're now open for public comment. [1:12:40, 1:12:43]: Those supporting or opposing the rezoning? [1:12:48, 1:12:56]: I said the the meeting is now open for public comment supporting or opposing the rezoning. [1:13:05, 1:13:10]: Hearing none, the the public comment is closed. [1:13:15, 1:13:15]: Yeah. [1:13:15, 1:13:21]: Pardon me? Come to the Sir, please. [1:13:27, 1:13:31]: State your name and address for the record. [1:13:32, 1:13:35]: Jerome, it's a one eighty one Davis Row stock periods. [1:13:39, 1:13:42]: And you oppose a rezoning. Yes. All right. Okay. [1:13:45, 1:13:46]: Anyone else? [1:13:51, 1:13:52]: Anyone else? [1:13:54, 1:14:00]: Hearing none, the public comment section is closed and I asked for a motion from the commission. [1:14:00, 1:14:20]: I would like the commission to keep in mind, uh Miss Logan read the possibilities that this zoning itself lends for this piece of property, but that doesn't mean it needs to stay light industrial forever. It can be rezoned to something else that may be more conducive to the use of that property. [1:14:20, 1:14:34]: I don't think right now high density housing is is appropriate, but uh even with the light industrial, she read the list of all the possible developments that we can put on that property would be more appropriate. So just for consideration. [1:14:34, 1:14:44]: Is that a motion for one way or the other? I would like to make a motion that we deny the rezoning of fifty-five Valley Hill. [1:14:45, 1:14:46]: [4487.3, 4488.7]: I second it, Harold. [1:14:50, 1:14:55]: Uh, it's been moved by Mr. Pleshon and second by Mr. Thividal. [1:14:55, 1:15:13]: Uh that the rezoning of fifty five Valley Hill Road uh rezone twenty twenty three dash three be denied. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of I. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Hearing none, Mr. Chair. [1:15:14, 1:15:16]: Uh let it be known for the record that I abstain for that vote. [1:15:17, 1:15:21]: Uh Mr Excuse me, who abstains? [1:15:21, 1:15:24]: Jaden Williams. [1:15:25, 1:15:30]: Mr. Jaden Williams is um voting present. [1:15:34, 1:15:41]: Did you approve the denial or post? Uh he opposed the denial. Okay, so he's consistent. All right. [1:15:48, 1:15:50]: Moving on to item ten. [1:15:52, 1:15:57]: Variants case number twenty twenty three dash oh two, council district four. [1:15:58, 1:16:04]: Consider request for variance to allow for the construction of a townhouse development. The purpose of the variance is to allow the reduction [1:16:05, 1:16:23]: in the front of the yard setbacks from the required fifty feet to twenty five feet in a multifamily residential zoning district. The property is located in land lot sixty nine of district twelve and it contains twenty four point nine six plus or minus acres within the city within the stock bridge city limits. [1:16:27, 1:16:47]: Okay, I just wanted to point out um actually the applicant showed this before, but um this is a proposal to reduce the front yard setbacks from the required fifty feet to twenty-five feet. Um this is a a diagram here of how the you'd have a townhome building with six units. [1:16:47, 1:16:54]: Units. They'd be offset slightly. That's just for architectural interest. This shows the 25-foot setback they want to. [1:16:55, 1:17:02]: uh have and there would still be a twenty foot rear setback. Um that's the requirement and they they're meeting that requirement. [1:17:03, 1:17:03]: Um [1:17:05, 1:17:10]: And this shows the dimensions of the bi of the units twenty four feet wide and [1:17:10, 1:17:19]: Um, fifty feet deep and then for the for the unit itself and then ninety eight feet for the entire lot, town home lot. [1:17:23, 1:17:43]: So there's different reasons for a granting of a variance and the a reduction of a of a one uh rear front yard is one of the a b a valid reason and can only be granted if um all seven criteria um are met and I'll just briefly mention so one has to do that with um the physical [1:17:43, 1:17:54]: characteristics of the property and it does have uh the creek and other environmental limitations uh plus the debris area. Um [1:17:54, 1:18:06]: Uh we feel that uh there are um lots in the area that um recently the council approved other variances for um set front yard setbacks. [1:18:06, 1:18:07]: Um [1:18:10, 1:18:21]: And there there are no pr special privileges that would be granted. Um it's in consistent with the purpose and intent of the UDC and would be compatible with neighboring uses. [1:18:23, 1:18:35]: Um and this would um although light industrial uses could still be uh developed, we feel that uh townhomes would be more uh appropriate with the MFR uh zoning. [1:18:36, 1:18:37]: Um [1:18:37, 1:18:52]: and townhomes are permitted use within the proposed MFR district. Um we feel that this is reasonable. Uh we recommend approval, of course, with passage of the comprehensive plan amendment, rezoning and the site plan. [1:19:03, 1:19:05]: Yeah, complete your report. [1:19:06, 1:19:07]: Yes. [1:19:08, 1:19:10]: We hear from the applicant then. [1:19:17, 1:19:37]: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, happy to answer any questions that you have. Uh, we do believe that the application for the variants to uh with a 25-foot front yard setback from the 50-foot that is currently required by your code is consistent with development standards of today and still leaves a significant uh drive. [1:19:37, 1:19:57]: For folks where two cars would be able to park in the driveway. In addition to that, also recall that we are proposing the eight-foot multi-use path that connects throughout, which would be some additional space prior to you getting to that right-of-way for the front of each one of the properties. [1:19:57, 1:20:00]: So uh we would request [1:20:01, 1:20:07]: a vote for approval for this variance um in light of the previous votes so we understand. Thank you. [1:20:10, 1:20:10]: Thank you. [1:20:13, 1:20:16]: Uh that opens up the public comment section. [1:20:18, 1:20:19]: All those who s [1:20:21, 1:20:23]: Who supported come forward. [1:20:23, 1:20:28]: Uh sign to register, provides with your name and address and your comment. [1:20:31, 1:20:31]: Okay. [1:20:32, 1:20:42]: Oh, y you got my name and address. No, you still have to provide it. Your name and address Jerome Mitchell. Pardon me? Jerome Mitchell. You get to the mic. [1:20:42, 1:21:02]: Jerome Mitchell 181 Davis Road Stock Ridge. Okay. So the 25 feet driveway with one that's that's one unit. So basically two cars. I got three cars and I live by myself. So how does it work? [1:21:02, 1:21:19]: work when you got more than two cars and a driveway with one family. So does it park on the street, which is I know you gotta permit. Uh uh uh you prohibit uh cars parking on the street here, so do they get special permission to park on the street there? [1:21:20, 1:21:40]: If that's the case, which it probably will be, uh how does that work? Let me you want me to answer that? Yeah, go ahead answer. Uh it depends uh if if we were to approve this, then all this questioning would come into play. But since it's you don't have [1:21:39, 1:21:46]: So that's a that's a different segment where you can get all those questions answered. [1:21:46, 1:22:00]: Well this is this is the variance that you're looking at that's for the twenty five versus fifty feet. Right, but what I'm saying is if it would have been approved, then all these questions would have been asked. Okay. Well the questions are uh [1:22:01, 1:22:05]: So right now i it it's [1:22:06, 1:22:26]: We're in a different way. Until you approve it, I gotcha. Okay, so I'm saying, yeah, it's a bit much. I'm gonna say no. But you also need to look at the city ordinance because the city has some requirements. Uh they did have a new ordinance uh established uh that would also give you some insight on on things, uh parking on the street, things of that nature. [1:22:26, 1:22:26]: Yeah. [1:22:27, 1:22:47]: So if that was the case, so some of the old ordinance would go away? Yes. Yeah, that's that's that's correct. But there is a new ordinance that has been approved by the city. I would recommend that you take a look at it. Okay. Well I know I haven't. Well, my opinion I do oppose for the record. All right, you oppose it? [1:22:47, 1:22:50]: All right, we gotcha. [1:22:52, 1:22:53]: Any further comments? [1:22:55, 1:22:56]: Sure. [1:23:00, 1:23:15]: I would like keep forgetting your mic is on this side. I would like to respond to Mr. Mitchell's questions since this will still move to a public hearing. Uh Mr. Mitchell uh and commissioners, it is a twenty five foot front yard setback. [1:23:15, 1:23:16]: The driveway. [1:23:17, 1:23:26]: These are two car two garage units. So there will be two spaces in your garage as well for you to park. Additionally, our site plan [1:23:26, 1:23:34]: has sixty eight guest parking spaces that are dispersed throughout the community for people to be able to park. [1:23:34, 1:23:54]: Um and thus throughout again because we didn't want to just put spaces at the front or spaces at the rear and have people having to walk a long distance. As uh Mr. Thibodeau did mention, there are city ordinances regarding parking on the streets and these will be public streets and as well as the HOA governing. [1:23:54, 1:23:57]: documents would also address parking on the streets. [1:23:58, 1:23:59]: Okay, thank you. [1:24:03, 1:24:05]: That closes the the uh public comment. [1:24:07, 1:24:08]: May I have a motion? [1:24:13, 1:24:17]: Variance case number two oh two three dash two. [1:24:22, 1:24:33]: Nobody else wanna be the heavy? Well you be the heavy. Dr. Hamlin. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that we deny the variance on this property in question. [1:24:34, 1:24:35]: Do I have a second? [1:24:36, 1:24:38]: This arrow. I'll second it. [1:24:39, 1:24:45]: It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Opposed. [1:24:46, 1:24:50]: Mr Chair, let it let let the retro let the record reflect that I abstain. [1:24:52, 1:24:53]: We have [1:24:55, 1:24:59]: One present, one of stain. [1:25:00, 1:25:11]: And uh and I I have one question about abstaining actually about Well, uh Okay. Uh [1:25:12, 1:25:14]: And I vote to deny so [1:25:15, 1:25:25]: Uh the motion carries. The uh amendment is denied, the the variance is denied. Okay? All right. [1:25:27, 1:25:32]: Uh Edgar moves us to item twelve on the agenda. [1:25:39, 1:25:42]: Item twelve to be presented by the community development staff. [1:25:46, 1:25:48]: Pardon me. No no reports from staff. [1:25:49, 1:25:52]: Okay. Well I still have to acknowledge it. [1:25:53, 1:25:56]: No comments from the staff community staff development. [1:25:57, 1:25:58]: No reports or comments. [1:26:00, 1:26:01]: Any board comments? [1:26:05, 1:26:08]: Motion to adjourn. Do I have one of those? [1:26:08, 1:26:10]: Motion to adjourn, Mr. Chair. [1:26:11, 1:26:12]: That Mr [1:26:13, 1:26:20]: Williams, that's Mr. Williams. Mr Williams. Mr Williams moved to adjourn. And then Harold will second it. [1:26:20, 1:26:30]: It's been moved and second. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed, the ayes have it. The Planning Commission is adjourned to the next schedule meeting. [1:26:31, 1:26:45]: Wanna thank the public for coming out. Uh we hope that we act on your behalf in your best interest and uh always feel free to come out. Thank you. The meeting is adjourned. [1:26:54, 1:26:55]: For a waste of paper.

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2023-08-14 source: 2023-08-14_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:00:40, 0:00:43]: Testing, there we go. All right. [0:00:46, 0:00:51]: Sorry, UX on this side. Okay. We wanna make sure we got the crest there. [0:00:52, 0:01:05]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to get started with uh a ceremonial part of our meeting tonight. We have a couple swearing ends to do in recognition of uh twenty years service, another individual employee when uh she arrives. [0:01:05, 0:01:12]: So we'll start with the oath of office for the planning commission. I have before me Mr. Jalen uh Jaden Williams. [0:01:12, 0:01:13]: So [0:01:13, 0:01:14]: Raise your right hand. [0:01:14, 0:01:34]: And repeat after me. I'll try to go slowly on this. I and state your name. I Jaden Williams. Do solemnly swear or affirm. Do solemnly swear and affirm. That I will faithfully perform. That I will faithfully perform. The duties as a member. The duties as a member of the City of Stark Bridge Planning Commission. The City of Stark Bridge Planning Commission. And that I will to the best of my ability to the best of my ability. Support [0:01:34, 0:01:54]: And defend support and defend the charter thereof as well as the constitution as well as the constitution and the laws of the state of Georgia and the laws of the state of Georgia and the United States of America and the United States of America. I further affirm that. I further affirm that. Upon assumption of this office, upon assumption of this office, I do not hold any unaccounted for public money. [0:01:54, 0:02:14]: Any unaccounted for public money do unpayable to the state, do or payable to the state, any political subdivision of the state, any political subdivision, the city of Stockbridge, or any authority thereof, or any authority thereof, nor do I hold any other office of trust of trust of the government of the United States, of the government of the United States, of this state, of this state, or [0:02:14, 0:02:34]: Or any foreign state or any foreign state as prescribed by the law as prescribed by the law of the state of Georgia of the state of Georgia. I will perform the duties of my office in the best interest of the city of Stockbridge. In the best interest of the city of Stockbridge, and to the best of my ability, without fear, without fear, favor, favor, affection, affection, reward, reward or excess. [0:02:34, 0:02:40]: Expectation thereof or expectation thereof. This is the fourteenth day of August, year of our Lord twenty twenty three. [0:02:42, 0:03:02]: This is the fourteenth day of August in the year of twenty twenty three. In the year of twenty twenty three. Congratulations. Thank you. Okay, so we'll work on that too. Okay, so what it is you and I need to sign a document here? [0:03:02, 0:03:03]: Mm. [0:03:05, 0:03:07]: And here. [0:03:10, 0:03:14]: Thank you, sir. You sign there and there. Okay. [0:03:22, 0:03:42]: Now, always give an opportunity for people being sworn in any kind of comments or words or wisdom, anything you'd like to say to the audience. We are being recorded by way, so you just know that as well. Stream it on Facebook. Stream it on Facebook. There you go. Okay, well, um, I'm excited to be a member of the City of Stockbridge Planning Commission. Uh I think I was told one of the [0:03:42, 0:04:02]: youngest in the city's history. So I'm excited to show how our next generation is able to perform and do the duties of our city. I'm excited to be on the committee so that we can start to build our great city and what the mayor and council loves to call the renaissance of the city of Stockbridge. Thank you very much. Congratulations [0:04:02, 0:04:11]: Oh sorry, scoo, scoo, scoo, I thought you were me. So we're gonna we're gonna take a picture. We're gonna take a picture. [0:04:12, 0:04:18]: Okay. [0:04:28, 0:04:30]: I do like very much. [0:04:30, 0:04:33]: Ms. Washington? Youngest in the history, yeah. [0:04:34, 0:04:34]: Yeah. [0:04:35, 0:04:38]: Okay. [0:04:39, 0:04:45]: Mr. Washington is you said that was um seven five forty five, I guess it is. [0:04:45, 0:04:46]: Okay. [0:04:47, 0:05:07]: So we'll uh wait for Miss Washington to come and then Melinda is scheduled to be here as well. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, how are you doing? So was that one of the uh record photographs? Yes, the actor takes the man. [0:05:07, 0:05:15]: And they always come from asked, can they find how it is appropriate to make strategic? [0:05:25, 0:05:29]: Yeah, just watch. [0:24:50, 0:24:54]: Hey Council, could you come back to Dice please so we can get started? Council, come back to guy dies, please. [0:24:56, 0:24:56]: Mm. [0:25:41, 0:26:01]: Yeah, it's generally am I making a comment? Yeah, well well, if if you want I mean no normally normally someone to do that make those comments because with well if you miss make it intercepted, we can make comments later on and we have conversation. We're gonna have a conversation but among many. Yeah, but I haven't talked about trying to comp [0:26:01, 0:26:14]: If but well if you just have one piece of food we'll just go ahead and we'll be all right. Okay. Well I'll do it. I'll do it if I think we're teaching a second, so [0:26:15, 0:26:20]: I just make comments. Where is she? Is she here? She's a mind that means [0:26:20, 0:26:22]: [1587.5, 1589.9]: Council members, I need you on the dials, please, so we can get started. [0:26:53, 0:26:54]: Madam Clerk, are you set? [0:26:55, 0:26:56]: Okay, thank you. [0:27:04, 0:27:21]: Uh all right ladies and gentlemen, I have six oh two. This is the city council meeting for Monday, August fourteenth. I'd like to call to order. Um if you could please stand for the invocation, Ms. Jasmine uh Reese. If you can come forward please. All all the way up front, up here on the mic. [0:27:27, 0:27:33]: On other other side of the podium and it should be it should be a green light on, indicating it's on on the mic there, okay? [0:27:35, 0:27:36]: Yeah, turning around to towards you? [0:27:36, 0:27:39]: [1659.8, 1662.6]: It's green light? Green light on? It's on. Okay, there go ahead. [0:27:43, 0:27:43]: You should be good. [0:27:50, 0:28:08]: Lord of the universe, you have given most of us mankind a strong desire to be good, to be honest to serve others, and to faithfully fulfill your obligations to our neighbors. Help us as exchanges and humans to do good. Help us as humans to be honest and ethical in all of our dealings. [0:28:08, 0:28:15]: Help us as humans to serve others. Thank you for bringing us here this evening. Thank you for the mayor. Thank you for [0:28:18, 0:28:20]: And um the [0:28:25, 0:28:39]: Amen. Do we pledge allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:28:40, 0:28:42]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:28:46, 0:28:51]: Mayor Ford? Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. [0:28:52, 0:28:54]: President. Councilman Blount. [0:28:55, 0:28:58]: Present. Councilwoman Gantt. Present. [0:28:59, 0:29:01]: Mayor did I call May Peril Tim Barber? [0:29:02, 0:29:17]: Yes yes you called on Councilman Thomas. Present Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. Thank you, Madam Clerk. I appreciate that. Um for the adoption of the agenda, we have a couple several different uh amendments. And this first I'd like to go to Mr. Blount for your amendment to the agenda, please sir. [0:29:17, 0:29:27]: Yeah, mayor, I'd like to uh amend the agenda to include uh wherever we place the item to uh [0:29:29, 0:29:30]: include to make uh [0:29:33, 0:29:34]: T and the alone. [0:29:35, 0:29:36]: This would not. [0:29:36, 0:29:39]: The red world would just be under passage. [0:29:39, 0:29:43]: All right, so second amount. Second. Okay, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:29:44, 0:29:55]: Okay, Mr Thomas? Okay, so now it's decision. And what we'll do, sir, we'll put that near the end of the g we'll make that on the end of the agenda for that discussion further. And so to comment uh [0:29:55, 0:29:57]: Say a number uh [0:29:58, 0:30:01]: Say number ten. Okay, make it a number ten. [0:30:01, 0:30:05]: Alright, for this evening and see here. [0:30:07, 0:30:09]: And on that note, um [0:30:10, 0:30:13]: Mayor Pro Tem, you also have an amendment to make at this time. [0:30:13, 0:30:17]: Yes, sir. I'd like to request to amend the agenda. [0:30:17, 0:30:20]: To add an item at the end of the agenda for the memo. [0:30:20, 0:30:23]: provided by legal regarding the homestead exemptions. [0:30:24, 0:30:26]: including s septic systems. [0:30:27, 0:30:29]: So that it can be read into the official minutes. [0:30:30, 0:30:32]: So second to that amend uh to that amendment. [0:30:35, 0:30:36]: Is there a second to that amendment? [0:30:36, 0:30:37]: That's it. [0:30:37, 0:30:40]: Okay, m uh okay, Mr. Thomas is empty that. [0:30:40, 0:30:41]: All in flavors please indicate. [0:30:43, 0:30:58]: Comp okay it's announcing season. All right, so we'll put that uh right behind uh the discussion about the uh past suspense uh drive there. Okay, so that'll be number eleven. Uh one second please. [0:31:00, 0:31:20]: And the other uh change, potential change, actually deals with the item that's already on the agenda, which is number nine. It deals with the citizens police uh advisory council is actually scheduled to be later on in the meeting. It's been requested that we move that up further in the meeting uh because there are several individuals are here and this is part of [0:31:20, 0:31:27]: So if I can get a motion to um re uh to move that item up. [0:31:27, 0:31:33]: And we'll place it actually, we can we'll do it right now, provided you all um approved this. [0:31:33, 0:31:37]: Uh w well we'll do it right after ceremonial review. [0:31:37, 0:31:43]: Um so we'll do I can I get a slow move? No move. Okay, is there a second? I second. Ms. Gantt second all favor, please indicate. [0:31:43, 0:31:45]: Now she says, Okay, so we'll move that up. [0:31:46, 0:31:46]: Had it. [0:31:47, 0:31:52]: Num it's that's number nine, but it'll move up right after the ceremony of view, which is a few minutes. We'll do that. [0:31:52, 0:31:55]: with the chief in the individuals here, okay? [0:31:55, 0:32:05]: All righty. All right. On that note then now I need a motion to adopt the entire agenda. So moved. Mr. Alexander. Ms. Barber second that on fair please indicate. [0:32:05, 0:32:06]: I fantastic. [0:32:06, 0:32:07]: All right. [0:32:07, 0:32:09]: Madam Clerk, you got all that, right, ma'am? [0:32:09, 0:32:29]: Okay, good deal. For the ceremonial review, what we had earlier today, ladies and gentlemen, had a couple swearing ins. Um we we swore in, I was able to swear in Jalen Williams to our planning commission. I believe Jalen is still in the he's still in the audience there. He's here. So uh in this aspect, so a newest member and probably young, I'll say the youngest member to the planning commission. And also Mr. Warren Watts. [0:32:29, 0:32:43]: Washington was sworn into the downtown development authority and he went back to his business. He he has uh frozen smokes in the downtown area, so he's now on the downtown development authority. So I appreciate those gentlemen coming forward and and serving on our boards. [0:32:43, 0:32:57]: And uh on that note we'll move on to now we finished the ceremony review, so we'll move on to uh Chief Tramor. Your request, sir, council consideration appoint board members to the city of Starbury's Police Department, Citizens Police Advisory Council. [0:32:58, 0:33:03]: Chief, you want to come forward please and present this? Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. Uh you skipped over the adoption of the [0:33:04, 0:33:10]: I th I thought we did that. We did I thought I did a adoption of the minutes. Oh adoption of minutes, not the agenda. Thank you. [0:33:11, 0:33:14]: That that is why you're the clerk. Absolutely. [0:33:14, 0:33:27]: All right. Excuse me, council adoption of minutes. So which yeah, which is the uh council meeting of june twelfth and the council war session session june twentieth. So move. I second. Okay there. All in favor, please indicate. There we go. Now, thank you very much. [0:33:27, 0:33:32]: And the public comments as well, I suppose. I was jumping the gun. I was trying to get to you, Chief, real quick. [0:33:33, 0:33:37]: Uh pup do we have any public comments? There are no public comments. Okay, all right, all right. Now Chief Trammer. [0:33:37, 0:33:41]: I'm trying to help you out, trying to get you real quick there. Jump the gun. Please, sir. [0:33:47, 0:33:48]: Anyway, right now so. [0:33:48, 0:33:50]: Mor immediate uh evening to you. [0:33:55, 0:33:56]: Citizens advisory council. [0:33:57, 0:34:00]: A group of members of this community number one core. [0:34:04, 0:34:15]: public safety priorities of the city of Stockbridge and how can we all work together to ensure that the city of Stockbridge remains a safe place to live, work and play. [0:34:19, 0:34:20]: Yeah. [0:34:25, 0:34:45]: Um our community. As you are familiar, the initial policy that was approved was a 12 member panel for the police advisory council for selection of the members. The mayor had an appointment, each council member had an appointment, and then there [0:34:45, 0:35:05]: There were six additional appointments, four from uh the police zones, each of the four police zones, and then a representative from the business community as well as a representative from the faith-based community. And while we've had some, I'm not gonna say challenges, but you know, there's not all board positions have been filled across the city. [0:35:05, 0:35:25]: I am super proud and excited to announce that we have filled all 12 positions of our Citizen Police Advisory Council. And we look forward to assembling this group together after the appointment this evening for our first meeting on September 7th. And so this has been a long time in the making, and we're very proud to. [0:35:25, 0:35:45]: uh move this goal. As I've said before, policing is not what we do to our community, it's what we do with our community. And I'm just so thankful for those that have stepped forward and volunteered to be part of our inaugural citizens police advisory council. At this moment, if uh I could have the members of the council um stand to be recognized or those that are [0:35:45, 0:36:05]: Considered to be appointed this evening. We have Dr. Lovelle Sanders, who is the mayor's appointment. Thank you, Pastor Sanders, for being here. We have Miss Carmen Reese, who is the District 1 appointment. Councilwoman Yen. Ms. Reese, thank you for being here this evening. [0:36:04, 0:36:24]: District 2 appointment, Dr. Thomas Smith, who's here with us this evening. Thank you, Dr. Smith. Mr. William Daniels. Is Mr. William Daniels here this evening? I don't think Mr. Daniels was able to be here with us, but that is Councilman Blount's appointment. We have Mr. Stephen Moon, who is the appointment for District 4. [0:36:24, 0:36:44]: Mayor Pro Tem Yalanda Barber. Mr. Moon, thank you for being here, sir. And then we have Mr. Raymond Martin, who is the appointment for District 5, Councilman Alexander. The police appointments are zone one appointee is Ms. Neek Robinson, who's not able to be here with us this evening. [0:36:44, 0:37:04]: Because she is attending the commission meeting. We have Mr. Nathan Banks, who is here with us this evening, will be the representative from Zone 2. Miss Angela White. She will be a representative from Zone 3. [0:37:04, 0:37:24]: Deanna Williams is with us this evening. She will be the representative of Stone 4. Mr. Sylvain, I don't see Mr. Sylvain this evening. He would be the representative for the business community. And then last but not least, we have Pastor Trey Brenson, who is the pastor of Eagles Landing Baptist Church, and he's not able to be here this evening because of [0:37:24, 0:37:25]: Okay. [0:37:28, 0:37:38]: Uh Chief, you omitted to state that uh Mr. Smith is a representative of Council District Two by Councilman Alfonso Thomas. [0:37:38, 0:37:39]: Yes, thank you. [0:37:40, 0:38:00]: Clarifying that for me. So uh Dr. Smith has an appointment for Council District Two. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Um Council, I'm not sure what all uh you want to hear. If you would like to hear about some of these individuals and their uh commitment, you would like for them to speak, that's entirely up to you, or if you simply want to take a vote to uh appoint these members. [0:38:00, 0:38:04]: uh so that we can move this process forward uh whatever the council desires. [0:38:04, 0:38:24]: Well thanks, Chief. I appreciate the thank uh these individuals for uh actually coming forward and and being part of this process. And obviously, each one of us had an opportunity to select individuals which you just announced. And typically what happens uh when we um well appointments are slightly different than swearing in in this aspect as well, but I would imagine that uh what we can make [0:38:24, 0:38:44]: a motion to approve the entire slate and then uh and actually I was saying I believe the council will probably be approved of this. If anybody wanted to speak, I'll I'll allow them to speak, provided the council says okay, that'd be fine. I would imagine it'd be fine to do that if they wanted to say anything at all in reference to uh taking on this new challenge, I guess you may say. [0:38:44, 0:38:56]: Okay, so first of all, I need a motion to adopt the entire slate. Is it it's moved? Okay, Miss Ganttz, is there a second? Miss I have saw Miss Barber's hand. Okay. All in favor please indicate. [0:38:56, 0:39:16]: Okay, unanimous decision. Now, Chief, on that note, uh individuals, I mean normally when we have like a public hearing, they line up and they come one at a time and they get roughly three minutes. So anybody can come forward, just line on up and join the chief. And if you Sir, I'd like to say a couple of words if that'd be okay. Yeah, you uh can we get that then go first? All right, so any anybody else? [0:39:16, 0:39:23]: And and and anybody, I mean if you it's up to you. You're more than welcome to come forward to the mic and uh and have if you have any comments. [0:39:25, 0:39:30]: All right. [0:39:45, 0:40:05]: Warhouse College, the Emman Seminary, and also has his doctorate in Ministry from Reforming Seminary. And he's been extremely involved in various different initiatives throughout the community, to include an active member of our police or the mayor's clergy roundtable council. So we're very happy to have you. [0:40:05, 0:40:20]: Pastor Sanders to be a representative. Secondly, we have Miss Carmen Reese, who's a 30-year resident of the city of Stockbridge. She brings with her also 27 years of former service in the federal government, federal law enforcement is the United States. [0:40:22, 0:40:42]: As an agent there. She attends Tabernacle Praise Church. She's a member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority and is a lifetime member of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives. We're so thankful to have humanistries serve as a member of our board this evening. We of course have Mr. Dr. Thomas Smith, who is again, I'll re-emphasize the district two. [0:40:42, 0:41:02]: appointment and uh Dr. Thomas Smith has been a resident of the city of Stockbridge for a number of years. He's an educator and currently teaches at the Cap County Schools. He's actively involved in various different initiatives. He served eight years in the state of Georgia for the Martin Luther King Junior Advisory Council. [0:41:02, 0:41:15]: With Senator Emmanuel Jones. He's a captain for the Stockbridge Community Emergency Response Team, a member of the Stone Mountain Rotary Club, and a founder of the Kentucky Colonels of Atlanta. I could read through. [0:41:16, 0:41:17]: Yeah, you no. [0:41:22, 0:41:23]: See. [0:41:29, 0:41:29]: Yeah. [0:41:30, 0:41:39]: Uh we have Mr. Uh Daniels who've been a resident of the city of Stockbridge for uh twenty-five years and um uh he um [0:41:40, 0:41:47]: Councilman Blount, uh he he worked where where where did Mr. Daniels work in? Uh was he in federal law enforcement or he [0:41:49, 0:41:50]: Big one's battle. [0:41:50, 0:42:10]: I believe because we had a conversation and um the uh bios I got for him was somewhat limited, but I'm pretty certain that he has a background in federal law enforcement uh as well. Uh we have Mr. Stephen Moon, who is a 55-year resident of the city of Stockbridge. Um he has uh worked 44 years for the Federal Reserve Bank and he previously [0:42:10, 0:42:30]: Served as a city councilman for the city of Stockbridge as Mayor Pro Tem from 2006 to 2010 under Mayor Ruby Kelly. He served 17 years as a member of President Tola Mountain Georgia State Parks Friends Group, President Fiedmont Henry Hospital Auxiliary Volunteers, and was a graduate of Stockbridge. [0:42:30, 0:42:50]: Citizens Police Academy class in two. Mr. Raymond Martin, he uh comes to Hunters by way of Pasadena, California. Uh he's an active member in his community. Um served our country honorably in the United States Air Force for eight years and had 28 years civil service in the Department of Air Force. [0:42:50, 0:43:10]: Um he was involved in a number of different things. I know that he's uh active member. Um, he's currently serving as a HOA member of uh his uh neighborhood community homeowners association for the past seven and a half years, and the last two and a half years he served as president um of that. Of course, Ms. Neek Robinson. I know many of you are familiar with her, she's currently serving as [0:43:10, 0:43:15]: uh the interim commission for um uh henry county [0:43:15, 0:43:35]: of Commission and previously served with Stockwood City Council. We have Mr. Nathan Banks here with us. Mr. Nathan Banks uh previously served with um uh with he had a distinguished 25 years of service with the uh military uh where he retires the rank of colonel currently serves as a public information officer for the alcohol factor [0:43:35, 0:43:55]: He actively supports local youth programs and initiatives fostering community relationships. His exceptional communication skills and extensive knowledge make him a valuable disseminator of crucial public information to the ATF. And his love for the city of Stockbridge fuels his community involvement and his dedication to make it. [0:43:54, 0:44:14]: Ms. Angela White, who's not able to be here with us this evening, is a business owner here in the city of Stockbridge. Um she owns uh JW uh Event Suites, uh, who's done a number of events here for the city. She's a member of our inaugural citizens police academy class, and we're thankful to have her uh serve as a board member. [0:44:14, 0:44:15]: Yeah. [0:44:16, 0:44:36]: We have Miss Deanna Williams here, who's a resident of Stockbridge. She's an active member of the Stockbridge Youth Advisory Council where she shared recruitment efforts from 2023 to 2024. Her commitment extends to her role as youth director at Legacy Leadership Empowerment Center, led by Pastor Apostle Valerie Virgin, and she has also a [0:44:36, 0:44:56]: Profound dedication to growth and transformation of our community. May you be familiar with Mr. Reginald Sylvain. He's been a business owner here in the city for the last 25 years. He's the owner of Sylvain Funeral Homes as well as other businesses here at the Stockbridge community. He's actively involved in the downtown development property ownership, which also underscores his. [0:44:56, 0:45:00]: development's commitment to our city. And last is Pastor Trey Bredson. [0:45:00, 0:45:02]: as I mentioned before serves a lead pass. [0:45:13, 0:45:13]: [2726.0, 2746.0]: Thank you for that call of service in your community. I know you do a great job in this aspect as well. So thank you for that. Mr. Alexander, your comment, sir. Yes, sir. I I just want to just echo all the sentiments that the chief had given and understand that, you know, I said often that we formed a post social justice [0:45:45, 0:46:05]: This 21st century police department, where it's hand in hand what we do with the community. Love what the chief says. You know, policing is what we do with the community, not to the community. And each and every one of you represent that. From Mr. Martin, I certainly thank you for stepping forward. [0:46:05, 0:46:25]: the district five uh representative. I uh the you were the first person that I thought of when this position came available because I know of your service level and your your passion for community service and to just thank all of you for doing what you do because not only you know this to me this is one of the most important [0:46:25, 0:46:45]: uh boards that we could ever establish in the city to understand that policing is uh is a is a is a community. We gotta do it all together. We just can't turn it over to the police officers, say something, see something in everything that we do. And we will be counting on you all uh to be our eyes and ears [0:46:45, 0:47:05]: Out there, as each and every one of us would do, out there in the community, because that's what makes a keeps a community safe. You know, we used to call them nosy neighbors, right? But it's not nosy neighbors. It's caring, uh passionate people who love their community, and which I'm sure each and every one of you all do. So thank you. [0:47:05, 0:47:17]: Thank you so much for stepping forward to serve in the community. We'd be counting on you all as a total group with everybody in this citizen, with every eye on those streets to keep us all safe. So thank you all so much. [0:47:18, 0:47:22]: Okay. Ms. Thomas, go ahead, please, sir. Thank you, Mira. Um [0:47:22, 0:47:42]: I just wanted to briefly take this opportunity to commend these citizens for uh coming forward and partnering with the city of Stark Bridge to understand the vision of this municipality and to come in as a team. And we're all moving forward to make Stark. [0:47:42, 0:48:02]: Bridge a better place to live. Not only this particular board, but all of our volunteers for joining this municipality and joining us here as a council to move this city forward. And I just thank all of you, and I I see uh Mrs. Jones is here and [0:48:02, 0:48:22]: Mr. Williams and you know, these are a lot of citizens that always coming forward to to participate in some form or fashion, always volunteer for all of our initiatives and being on boards, because they understand and they believe in what we're trying to do. And Chief and I just want to thank you for for supporting. [0:48:22, 0:48:42]: facilitating this particular uh body of citizens, but we're all in this together and we're moving this city forward. And I just want to thank all of you for stepping up and being a part of this great city and to help this council because we could not do it without you all. And I just want to say thank to all of you. Thank you, Mayor. [0:48:42, 0:48:43]: Any other comments from the council? [0:48:44, 0:49:04]: Okay. Well congratulations once again, Dr. Dr. Sanders. Thank you, my man, for appreciating and coming on out and being my representative there and everybody else for thank you for serving. And obviously this is you're a great asset to our community. So we look for great things as you continue to partner with uh not only the police department but also with us in this aspect as well. [0:49:04, 0:49:08]: Unless you got anything else achieved, that'll be it. We'll move on. Okay. Yes, sir. [0:49:08, 0:49:10]: Can we get a photo with the group? [0:49:11, 0:49:25]: Oh okay, I guess that's a good request, uh to take a photo with the entire group. Uh Shayna Thorn is still here. Shana, we're gonna we're gonna come on down. Council, come on down, we'll take a photo with it. Everybody right down front. Good request. Just do that real quick. [0:49:35, 0:49:38]: Well, I'm gonna win because Kane will come there. [0:49:43, 0:50:03]: So with uh there was uh market have a couple different lines, composed of that circuit, no problem, right? No problem. Our attorney has a special special relationship with me. [0:50:03, 0:50:07]: It's not talking to it. [0:50:11, 0:50:14]: Some short code. [0:50:25, 0:50:28]: Yeah, that's all right. [0:50:28, 0:50:33]: Okay. [0:50:42, 0:50:47]: Congratulations. [0:50:51, 0:50:56]: [3056.6, 3060.0]: Like you're gonna say that. [0:51:36, 0:51:56]: Alright, obviously, ladies and gentlemen, you can stay as long as you like. This is a public meeting. So we'll continue on. And what is next as the council gets back, make its way back to the dais? What's next is a presentation: stop bridge, downtown bike, and pedestrian study. So obviously, this evening uh we're going to have our initial presentation review of this. [0:51:56, 0:52:16]: This and um so this is the Stockbridge Downtown Bike and Pedestrian Study, which has been prepared by Keck and Wood in consultation with the City of Stockbridge Community Development Program. The study is part of the uh Atlanta Regional Commission Livable Centers Initiative, the LCI program. Its purpose is to define and propose. [0:52:16, 0:52:36]: Proposed project which would improve pedestrian and bike infrastructure throughout the downtown Stockbridge. The boundaries of the study area are listed below. The public may review the proposed boundaries, ask questions, and provide comments on existing conditions and proposed improvements. Written statements may be emailed to Robert Renric. [0:52:36, 0:52:56]: Of Keck and Wood and R Renric. That's R R E N W I C K at Keck and Wood K-E-C-K-W-O-O-D.com. And it deals with the US 23 from East Atlanta Road to Burke Street, Burke Street from US 23 to Davis Road, Love Street from Burke Street to East Atlanta Road. [0:52:56, 0:53:09]: Jim Clark Drive from MLK Senior Heritage Trail to Burke Street and Lovejoy Street from Burke Street to MLK Senior Heritage Trail. Please. And uh presentation, please. Thank you, Mr. Anderson. [0:53:12, 0:53:13]: Evening to you. [0:53:20, 0:53:35]: We began the summer um around 8 working on this plan. Uh we've had we've had a series of meetings throughout the throughout the community. We had like four public meetings. We had an online survey, uh got a lot of info [0:53:55, 0:53:58]: Yeah, thank you, Ryan. [0:53:59, 0:54:00]: Welcome, sir. [0:54:06, 0:54:07]: Is that [0:54:12, 0:54:15]: All right. Yeah, so that's right. My name is Margaret. [0:54:20, 0:54:40]: I appreciate the opportunity to share the recommendations that came out of this study and do some introduction off. So a little bit of an overview on the program. This study was funded through the Atlanta Regional Commission. [0:54:40, 0:55:00]: Project came out of their Millsville Communities Initiative Program. This is a federal transportation funding program that will fund both planning studies and implementation projects that are identified as priorities in these lightning studies. They will fund these projects in the form of engineering design, right away. [0:54:59, 0:55:19]: Acquisition and construction project. Um, so a little bit of background on this LCI area. The uh North Henry Boulevard area was first established as an LCI study area way back in 2001. Um that's when the initial uh LCI study was completed. This specific project was identified and there's [0:55:19, 0:55:39]: A 10-year update to that study back in 2012. And then this scoping study is really the first step to implement a priority project from that initial LCI study. So as I stated, the purpose of the study is really to identify what improvements the city wants to make on these roads, what are the project limits, what [0:55:39, 0:55:44]: What are the costs? Is it instructible? Is it feasible? And does it have public communication? [0:55:51, 0:56:11]: Probably a little bit difficult to see the scale, but I'll zoom in on some upcoming slides here. But the project area is uh just toward the west across East Atlantic Road and multiple submola tracks along uh Burke Street, Love Joy Street, Love Street, and North Henry Boulevard. [0:56:11, 0:56:12]: Um [0:56:13, 0:56:33]: So we first kind of wanted to share our process on how we came to follow the recommendations. Um we started with other cities had numerous plan studies for mining pedestrian and transportation structure over the years. We started with those uh those existing studies and then built from there. And then uh the community development department [0:56:33, 0:56:50]: a steering committee with members representing economic development, mainstream program, public works, planning commission, and others to help you know steer the discussions on this uh private area. Um and then as Ryan noted we had a public meeting last year. [0:56:53, 0:56:55]: Alright, so jumping into [0:56:55, 0:57:15]: Proposed improvements along each of the streets that are in the study area. So starting at Burt Street, this is kind of the main corridor of the study area. And then we studied from North Hillary Dilvar to the south up to Park Community Park to the north. Bicycle accommodation is recommending a [0:57:15, 0:57:35]: Shared use or path of both pedestrians and bicycles along the west side of the road. And then on the east side of the road, um, we propose pedestrian streetscape enhancements with on-street parking, pedestrian lighting, street trees, landscapes, and such like that. Um we're also proposing improved. [0:57:34, 0:57:40]: That's when crossings and mid-watch crossing first route just south of the session fucking. [0:57:42, 0:57:55]: And then just kind of give you a visual of what those greens can look like. So that is um south and the work street looking for north that shares you have on the left side and the street. [0:57:55, 0:57:57]: Mm-hmm. [0:58:01, 0:58:21]: Alright, and then moving on to Mudboa Street. Um so this being a little bit of a lower particular traffic on the road, we are proposing shared use, particularly bicycle travelers. Um and then parallel parking on the west side of the road, and then um pedestrians streetscaping. [0:58:21, 0:58:33]: accommodations on the also on the west side, have continuing vision of improvements in construction approximately ten years ago just to the south on Martin Luther Keynes Senior Hill. [0:58:36, 0:58:45]: And once again you've got um interview. That would be um guess if you're standing at the intersection of the mud street. [0:58:49, 0:59:02]: All right, and then moving on to Love Street. Um so we heard from the project team steering committee that pedestrian connectivity on this side at east of the railroad and north of Oak Silver Railroad tracks. [0:59:03, 0:59:23]: All of the amphitheater across uh two downtown areas in the priority in this area. Um, so what we've got proposed here is going to be wide sidewalks, um, and then crossing the south of Eastern Land Road is going to be a proof of piece here. What we've got proposed is a [0:59:23, 0:59:43]: signal that is a high intensity activated software. So this would be a pedestrian signal that's pedestrian activated. So when you've got events going on in the amphitheater is uh actuated then the uh particular length is stopped and allow say crossing of pedestrians across a piece of the memory. [0:59:43, 0:59:45]: Then after [0:59:53, 1:00:07]: Excuse me a second, let me ask you a question here. Am I to assume that this is like motion detected whereas as someone approaches it it it used to actuate? I mean, so as you approach it it it it goes through the process to let you across or something like that? Well would the would be uh [1:00:08, 1:00:16]: Okay, all right. But the difference here is [1:00:16, 1:00:20]: In this case the signal would be off completely when there's not test. [1:00:21, 1:00:23]: Okay. So cars will just be replaced right there. [1:00:23, 1:00:25]: Okay, thank you. [1:00:27, 1:00:37]: All right, and then we've also got a um protected ADA compliant crossing of over the subject. [1:00:40, 1:01:00]: And then the final area is you say something we talked about quite a bit here, um pedestrian bridge spanning Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail and local Southern Railroad Tracks as a separate structure parallel to the existing overpass. [1:01:00, 1:01:13]: Um we understand that a desire to be included by both the city and the public and the time state and cities look into various uh funding opportunities. [1:01:16, 1:01:17]: L CS. [1:01:24, 1:01:26]: Um [1:01:26, 1:01:41]: As I mentioned earlier, Coctor has already completed the initial LCI study and various updates over the years. So we're in what's called the project scoping phase, really the first effort to implement the project. [1:01:44, 1:01:45]: Purpose of the study is [1:01:55, 1:01:56]: for for the project. [1:01:56, 1:02:16]: Um and then every year the Library Regional Commission comes out with a solicitation for a call for projects. So in uh probably spring of twenty-four that solicitation will open and the city would have the opportunity to take the information from this uh scoping study and fill out a funding application. [1:02:16, 1:02:18]: Or um there in [1:02:20, 1:02:40]: Um the Atlanta Regional Commission generally funds one phase at a time. So they would initially fund preliminary engineering, and then once the plans are developed enough to identify the right-of-way acquisition needs, they'd apply for uh funding with the right-of-acquisition. And then once the [1:02:40, 1:03:00]: Projects ready for construction, so they can also apply for construction funding. Um, and this is federal transportation funding. Generally, it's gonna be an 80% federal portion, 20% cash. Um so you know, with anything federally funding related, there's gonna be requirements and red tapes goes along. [1:03:00, 1:03:19]: That so, um, to get to construction at this point generally is going to be a more than a seven-year process, is what they'll say. Um, so while it does take time to deliver these federally funded projects, um the 80-20 NAS can be a great way to leverage local funds to construct larger projects than you would unwanted. [1:03:21, 1:03:27]: Okay, good deal. Thank you. Questions, Council, you may ha anybody may have. Uh Miss Barber, go ahead please. [1:03:28, 1:03:36]: Yes. Um, okay. Those tree plantings that you showed in that diagram, can you go back to um [1:03:41, 1:03:46]: Yes. Um I know that we've uh had some discussions in regards to [1:03:47, 1:03:50]: м та плантин алам десавакс [1:03:50, 1:03:51]: I think it is [1:03:53, 1:03:57]: Well, it was the consensus of the council that we have them planted behind the sidewalks. [1:03:57, 1:03:59]: Because their concerns with [1:03:59, 1:04:01]: Trees and planting. [1:04:01, 1:04:02]: Um [1:04:02, 1:04:03]: In the sidewalks. [1:04:05, 1:04:06]: Due to the [1:04:06, 1:04:08]: growth of the roots that may buckle [1:04:09, 1:04:12]: Um so I know this is just a concept. [1:04:13, 1:04:33]: Yes, that that's right. Um yeah, the the street trees kind of between the curbing and sidewalks, they look great for a number of years, but then long term there are concerns with that. Um so yeah, th those kind of design t details aren't necessarily worked out at this level. Okay. Um so you know that's something we could look at to to re rearrange it to a play. [1:04:32, 1:04:50]: pull a lot of those street trees to the back of the sidewalk. Thank you. The other one is um you mentioned about the calls from ARC. Yeah. The annual calls that they hold for those the funding opportunities. Will Kekin Wood be representing the city or will a member of staff [1:04:51, 1:05:10]: So so the application needs to be submitted by city staff. Um but we can, you know, we've got this scoping study with all the information that will be needed, um, you know, the project limits, the proposed improvements, the you know, anticipated costs. So we would be able to help out city staff with with um [1:05:11, 1:05:14]: Thank you. [1:05:15, 1:05:17]: Yeah, Mr. Alzheimer's, do you have some questions? [1:05:17, 1:05:37]: Uh Miss Barber, I would just want to say that if you recall, we were sp um on the Zoom with Mr. Garner of um the Path Foundation that they had indicated that it was their preferred method to actually have the street trees on the street side. So there is a separation between [1:05:37, 1:05:57]: the bike rider or the uh pedestrian that nobody he did not he thought that they thought that it was best not to have the it butt right up against the street. And that was their recommendation from the Path Foundation. That's why it was decided to uh put these on this side of the road and that came directly uh from Path Foundation. [1:05:57, 1:06:15]: If you recall during our discussions uh with Mr. Garner, because it was a safety issue and then it made the person who was the pedestrian feel safer because there was some space between them uh then the automobile uh coming down the street. Now, Mr. Aaron, can you come to the podium? [1:06:18, 1:06:38]: Okay, before you come, I'm sorry, we have a ARC representative come to the podium as well. She's here now. She's been working so diligently toward um uh this project here. I'd like to hear some of your feedback on what you've seen and just if you could just kind of talk about that a little bit, your your involvement in the process uh [1:06:38, 1:06:56]: as well. So I've had a limited involvement in this particular project. Um I know we um Keganwood have has been the representative for ARC to um do all of the study work, which they've done a great job with it. Um these are the type of projects that ARC does love to see um and we and we do love to see these get implemented. They make [1:06:56, 1:07:16]: An enormous difference in downtowns, the safety and not only the safety, but the optics of your downtown. Uh so we we definitely support the the project and all the work that Kekken would done. So and and you know we can also um as far as when you were talking about the 80-20 split and the application, um if Stockbridge was [1:07:16, 1:07:31]: when you're going through the application process, you have any specific questions when you're doing the application, we're always happy to help out and give you any advice that we might have or or help out with our different staff members as far as their expertise. So keep us in mind when you're putting it together. [1:07:31, 1:07:39]: We certainly do. We think we n pr certainly need to introduce you to Ms. Russell and uh Mr. Aaron over here. Mr. Aaron, could you come up for the podium, please? [1:07:45, 1:08:01]: Mr. Aaron, I know you and uh Mr. Goodwin have been actively work working on a lot of our T splotch projects to move uh these trail projects along. Uh you've but been involved in this process along the way, um as they uh we kinda as we navigated this. [1:08:01, 1:08:21]: Yes. Okay. Cause um what we're doing, I think we we have a T splotch project for the pedestrian bridge that will fund eight hundred thousand dollars of that. Uh Congressman Scott had actually got if the budget is approved, and I think it has been uh uh at this point that they were gonna put an additional [1:08:21, 1:08:41]: Additional$200,000 in the federal budget for our uh for the pedestrian bridge uh as well to be able to bring that total up so that we could actually uh move that project along. In regards to TSW is working on the expanded plan. So I know we had talked about the [1:08:41, 1:08:53]: talked about um, you know, and and this stud this study was kinda limited to Burke Street and then uh Martin Luther King Senior Heritage, but extending that Love Street Trail, could you put that back up there again? [1:08:59, 1:09:19]: Right, extending the Love Street Trail across the railroad tracks so they could connect with the trails that were going down East Atlanta and into the amphitheater. Uh that was key uh to make sure that we had some connection points and the g we just wasn't terminating these at spots where there was no connectivity. [1:09:19, 1:09:39]: Uh I'm calling you on you miss Mr. Aaron to kind of be as a city representative and representing the city manager tonight to make sure that these tie-in spots and TSW is working with um with the Kekkenwood to make sure that we have connection points uh which the TSW project would work on to go to make sure. [1:09:39, 1:09:55]: sure that we do this. And along the way, I think um uh like we have on at East Atlanta and North Lee Street, we have the street print going on East Atlanta Road and then uh at Lee Street, correct? [1:09:56, 1:09:56]: Yes, we do. [1:09:57, 1:10:17]: Okay, it would certainly be uh I know we just have a regular crosswalk there. Certainly it would dress that up to put the street print uh right there where you have uh the love street crossing at. And I think the RSVP really kinda describes that that there would be a a street print there that will really kind of make that uh intersection. [1:10:17, 1:10:37]: And pop, and then maybe even another one there at Love and Burke Street. So as you're in downtown, you see distinctly see that those crosswalks really highlight. They just not regular crosswalks, they're crosswalks that have the street print uh along with them. Um I'd like for you to [1:10:37, 1:10:57]: Mr. Aaron, to go back to the city manager and let's see perhaps if it's okay with the council that we've had a million dollars sitting in the bank for the long term for us to be able to start with these trail projects and actually to move them forward. So in addition to just talking about these particular projects, [1:10:57, 1:11:11]: project, the council has actually made it a priority that we move forward with a lot of this. So there is some funding that is currently available. Certainly it's always good to have more and to be able to make it be the best that it can possibly can be. [1:11:12, 1:11:32]: But we certainly should be able to just not talk about some of these, but to go ahead and implement some of them to move these projects forward. And that's what I'd like for you to do, Mr. Aaron, to have those discussions with the city manager about uh using some of those funds to go ahead and implement some of these recommendations. I certainly would like to see under [1:11:32, 1:11:52]: what the rest of the council has to say, but we put a bullseye on downtown. And with this being completed and we actually have a plan, I just I don't I don't I don't like to just talk about the talk about it. I like to be about it and kind of move this thing forward. So uh as we grow downtown that it truly is walkable marriage. [1:11:51, 1:12:01]: and not just uh uh a concept that's on uh a plan. Thank you. Thank you. Uh comments on this end? Anybody? Ms. Tomsque, please. [1:12:02, 1:12:13]: Um I I originally had some questions about the pedestrian bridge and I heard the councilman mem uh mention something about um Scott. [1:12:14, 1:12:15]: Um [1:12:15, 1:12:17]: I I don't know how [1:12:18, 1:12:30]: uh confirmed that is. Uh m I know the city manager is not here. Um mister Aaron or mister Anderson [1:12:30, 1:12:36]: Wha what is your understanding of and I know it was mentioned here earlier that [1:12:36, 1:12:43]: the that it was a separate project. And and if we could go back to that that shot of the pedestrian bridge. [1:12:44, 1:12:47]: Mr. So what is your understanding um [1:12:47, 1:13:05]: of the funding and and I guess I want to ask too, um, is this walking path on both sides and and how wide is that? But but Mr. Aaron, what what is your understanding uh on the funding of this? And I know in the presentation it said that it was a separate [1:13:05, 1:13:25]: project and so what is the what is the understanding? Well in the T-SPLOST the city did allocate eight hundred thousand dollars for the pedestrian bridge and also we've been working with uh Ms. Kelly Russell uh identifying grant opportunities and we've got an application that we're working on for additional funding for the pedestrian bridge. [1:13:27, 1:13:40]: Okay. Um do you know the the width and and it is on both sides. I I'm going back to the RSVP uh uh vision plan and uh it is on both sides on one [1:13:40, 1:13:47]: No, the uh the vision for it is just on the north side. Okay. Okay. And and how how wide is that walking path? [1:13:48, 1:14:08]: Twelve feet wide. Okay. Okay. About two feet wide. Okay. So and I guess based on what Councilman Alexander just the information that he just shared and and what you just said, Mr. Aaron. So I I would assume that we would continue to get updates to make sure that we can realize this separate project. [1:14:08, 1:14:11]: from the uh regular project, is that correct? [1:14:12, 1:14:32]: Yes, sir, and there's also some funding. I think it was for some paths on Burt Street as well in the T-SPLOST. Yes. There's some funding amount for that and I think Love Street as well. So Okay. Thank you, Mayor. No problem, you're welcome. Any other comments? All right. [1:14:32, 1:14:52]: So that funding can be a great tool to implement some of the smaller improvements that are in this plan if you want to see you know things get implemented the next year or two. And then a lot of communities will will do that. And then for the larger pieces, they know they're gonna take longer to develop and to implement. [1:14:52, 1:15:12]: implement um but just use the federal funding for those. Absolutely. Okay. All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. You you have any other comments? You no okay, you good? All right. Thank you very much. These projects will be rolled into the community work program of the comp plan. So that will further um [1:15:12, 1:15:15]: Assist you when you're applying for those funds through ARC that it's in an adopted [1:15:16, 1:15:32]: All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you all. Unfinished business. Council consideration revise chapter ten point one two for the city's so code of ordinances governing p uh parking regulations. Parking ordinance revisions, Mr Excuse me, Chief Tramor, please. [1:15:39, 1:15:40]: Mm. [1:15:45, 1:15:48]: All right. Good evening again, Mayor and Council. Evening, sir. [1:15:51, 1:16:11]: Uh I hope that you've had the opportunity to review the uh proposed amendments to the city's parking ordinance. Uh the ordinance needed to be amended to clarify some ambiguous uh language, uh to remove some conflicting provisions, but then also to expand upon the ordinance in order to enhance our capacity. [1:16:11, 1:16:31]: to effectively uh regulate and enforce parking within the uh city. So what I would like to do just briefly go down through if you have uh before you the attachment, the revision to the parking ordinance. Uh it should be an 11-page document and so I will go through this in order referring to first page one. You'll notice [1:16:30, 1:16:50]: That we added a provision section 1012 uh 10.12.015 for parking prohibitions in general. And the reason that this was added, this is basically a duplication of the state's uh parking regulations. Uh under state law, these regulations exist. The problem with that is that if it's not [1:16:50, 1:17:10]: Not in our uh code of ordinances, then uh it's difficult or our code enforcement uh personnel are not in a position to be able to enforce these regulations. So we wanted to add this so that there's an option to either charge state or city ordinance for these parking offenses, which will afford us the ability to uh [1:17:10, 1:17:13]: Um enhance our enforcement efforts by [1:17:13, 1:17:33]: Than allowing code enforcement to be able to force some of these other state law parking violations. Moving through, we added a provision for parking on sidewalks. This came out of some complaints that we received in the downtown area regarding motorcycles, parking on sidewalks. And so we wanted to add this provision in here to regulate the parking on sidewalks. [1:17:33, 1:17:53]: sidewalk so that was an addition. We added in section 1012.017 on page two parking designated for persons with disabilities, which was not in the previous ordinance. So we've included that. We've included a revision here in section 10.12.018 [1:17:53, 1:18:13]: A parking prohibition on narrow streets. And narrow streets are defined as any roadway that does not exceed 20 feet. The previous ordinance regulated parking on roadways less than 27 feet, which in theory, based on the old ordinance, these narrow streets somebody could have actually applied for a [1:18:13, 1:18:33]: Permit to park on a narrow street. The thing with these streets, they're not greater than 20 feet in length. Then you park a vehicle alongside of an emergency vehicle, can't get down the street. So we needed to make sure that there are certain streets where there is no parking even without a permit because it presents a public safety issue. As it relates to roadways in the city, I believe there are less than 40. [1:18:33, 1:18:37]: [4718.1, 4718.9]: They're less [1:18:39, 1:18:59]: Quick question. Quick question. There are less than forty streets in the city that are uh twenty feet or less, and I have a comprehensive list that was provided by Mr. provided by Mr. Aaron. They maintain a list of all the roadways in the city along with their width on there. So I could give you that listing of those streets if you would like to see that. And since you have a question, uh Councilman Blount, I don't know if you want me [1:18:59, 1:19:04]: Uh [1:19:05, 1:19:07]: Yeah, because one of my concerns, I think I brought it up before [1:19:08, 1:19:12]: I get it that we're doing that in in a lot of areas. [1:19:12, 1:19:16]: But when we have that one park that the street is eighteen feet wide. [1:19:16, 1:19:26]: I think it should be a one way anyway, but we're gonna make sure when we do this that we have proper no parking signage in place prior to this enforcement, is that correct? [1:19:26, 1:19:41]: That that's a provision of the ordinance is that the signage actually be installed before the ordinance can be enforced. Gotcha. Um so that's something that we'll have to consider and work with Mr. Aaron and his team in order to make sure that we have appropriate signage on these roadways where there's restricted parking. [1:19:41, 1:19:42]: Right. [1:19:43, 1:19:59]: Um section ten twelve nineteen. This is just a provision that basically says that you cannot contest a citation. If we issue a citation to somebody and you're the registered owner of that vehicle, then you're responsible for that vehicle. So it's presumption of ownership for the violator. [1:20:00, 1:20:20]: As we move into 10120, this was the previous ordinance. And what we've done is we've sought to streamline and simplify this ordinance. So we've cut down on some things because they were unnecessary. As an example, for roadways 28 to 34 feet, which was in the previous ordinance, it says that you can park on one [1:20:19, 1:20:23]: one side of the road without a permit. But there were provisions in there about [1:20:24, 1:20:42]: permitting and you need to get a permit for this, this and that. So it was confusing to people because the reality is is they don't need a permit if the roadway's between that uh length so long as they're parking on the designated side of the street. And then the same thing applied to streets with a width of greater than thirty four feet, which allows for parking on both sides of the roadway. [1:20:42, 1:20:46]: without a permit and therefore when you have language in there that talks about permitting [1:20:46, 1:20:57]: it does convolute or complicate things. So we um struck that from the uh previous ordinance and then just narrowly defined it. So we have for streets with a width of twenty one to twenty seven feet. [1:20:58, 1:21:02]: Parking's allowed on one side of the street designated by signage with a permit. [1:21:02, 1:21:20]: And then parking on one side of the street is designated by signage with a residential parking permit on nationally recognized holidays and weekends from 5 p.m. on Friday until 5 a.m. on Monday. This was in the previous ordinance. So we've just taken the [1:21:20, 1:21:40]: Main points of that and simplified it and put it into uh exceptions A, B, and C there. Uh one of the changes that we did make was the parking on weekends and holidays, five PM to five A. M. at the previous version said three A.M. and so uh we thought that would be more reasonable and in alignment with a lot of other um cities. [1:21:40, 1:22:00]: These parking ordinances to make that 5 a.m. instead of 3 a.m. is the cutoff time for that. For streets 28 to 34 feet, there's parking allowed on one side of the street designated by signage. One of the things that was lacking in the previous ordinance was a permitting process. It said that the Department of Community Development shall develop a process for permitting, but one [1:22:00, 1:22:07]: Um this is not under the Department of Community Development anymore, it's under the police department, so we had to make that change and we also had to [1:22:07, 1:22:19]: clearly identify a permitting process which we do have in place, which is outlined in the parking ordinance here. So as it relates to permitting, there are three types of residential parking permits. One of those is an emergency medical waiver. [1:22:19, 1:22:26]: So individuals who either have a temporary or permanent medical condition that impacts their mobility are eligible to apply for a permit. [1:22:26, 1:22:32]: А тер'я специально приміт в ала резиденці номер. [1:22:33, 1:22:53]: To allow for no more than five vehicles to be permitted at any one time. So if you have a graduation party or an event or something like that, they have to apply with that permit through the city, and that permit is ten dollars per vehicle per special event issued. And then of course the overnight uh permit, uh, this is a continuation of the previous ordinance, it was in there previously. [1:22:53, 1:22:53]: Yeah. [1:22:53, 1:22:55]: And um this is allowing [1:22:56, 1:23:05]: uh property owner two overnight parking permits per household uh per calendar year um to park uh [1:23:06, 1:23:12]: In those times between uh Monday through Friday, five PM to five AM. And then moving along [1:23:14, 1:23:20]: The only other addition to the parking ordinance is the very last page, pass page ten of eleven. [1:23:20, 1:23:40]: We added a section 1012-130, an enforcement section, and what that allows us to do is to appoint enforcement agents. Currently, only code enforcement and law enforcement are positioned to be able to enforce parking. Uh, one of the things that we spoke about at the council retreat was possibly moving forward, like a public safety officer program or a volunteers in police service. [1:23:40, 1:23:41]: Yeah. [1:23:42, 1:24:00]: What this would allow us to do is to provide training and to certify people to actually be able to go out and assist the department in parking enforcement. So it specifies the requirements to uh be appointed as a parking enforcement agent within the city. Um so those are the changes that were made. [1:24:00, 1:24:01]: Two [1:24:02, 1:24:22]: The current ordinance and I wanted to point out um some things that were struck through from the previous ordinance. There was a provision in there that said that towing of vehicles by homeowners associations is permissible and they must use the city authorized towing service. In discussion with legal counsel, it was requested to move that because many homeowners associations already have covenants which allow them to. [1:24:22, 1:24:40]: tow vehicles that they're in violation of those covenants and we don't want to be in a situation where we're dictating what record service a homeowners association utilizes to remove those vehicles from their community. So we decided to remove that portion. And as it relates to that, those are the changes that were made in [1:24:40, 1:24:42]: Um all things considered um [1:24:42, 1:24:50]: Well, one of the things too, there was some discussion about parking on the l what side of the street was permissible and it was said in the previous ordinance it's left side of the street. [1:24:50, 1:24:57]: Well left side of course is gonna be relative to which direction of travel in the vehicle and so we removed references to left side. [1:24:57, 1:25:03]: And then put in there as designated by signage. So the signage will dictate what side of the street parking's allowed on. [1:25:04, 1:25:24]: You know, well part of T part of the discussion I think in the past dealt with whether it was even numbers or odd number streets, uh the addresses I should say. The addresses that that would be allowed for the parking, whether where nobody's coming left or right, north or south, you know, either you park on a uh odd number and listed streets or uh the addresses or or the even numbered. But I guess uh [1:25:24, 1:25:44]: This if you the signs would be appropriate too if we nailed out to put the signs on certain sides and you can only you can only park on those particular uh designated areas where says the signs indicate you can, I suppose. Yeah, I think that's that that's a a cleaner method to put the signage there because I'm not certain if there's any discrepancies. [1:25:44, 1:25:45]: In terms of how numbers are going to be a good thing. [1:25:46, 1:25:54]: would operate, especially getting situations like a cul-de-sac or something along those lines. I I think it'd be better just to designate it with uh with signage, which is why we made that decision. [1:25:54, 1:26:14]: But again, this is this is up to the council to decide what direction you all want to move forward in here. There were some additions and a few minor amendments, but uh in general I think that um much of what we've done here is in alignment with what uh the the consensus of the council was previously regarding the uh prior parking ordinance. [1:26:14, 1:26:31]: Comment sheet. Yes, sir. And maybe I gotta reach back and catch this. Okay. You you mentioned something about uh permits, I believe, uh two permits or for something on the weekends, maybe only twice a year, something along those lines. What was that? I forgot what that was. Something you mentioned about permits and twice. [1:26:31, 1:26:51]: Right. So we we have we have a per we have a permitting process and I think that uh somewhere in here, this is an example of the parking permit and it will be specific to the vehicle and the individual. They'll apply for these through the police department and we'll issue these. And uh for special events, it's you basically can have three special events per year. Okay. Uh it's your residence. [1:26:51, 1:27:11]: And you can apply for uh uh additional parking permits for each event up to five cars. So you get an opportunity to host three events, and then you can have up to five vehicles that are parking on the roadway with a permit for your event. The other is the overnight parking. So there's certain situations where there may not be adequate parking. [1:27:11, 1:27:31]: And you have people who may have a hardship, and that's going to be upon, you know, contingent upon us in code enforcement to investigate these to see if there is a true hardship or there's a need in order for us to issue this permit for them to park, you know, um in the the evening time hours. But you can only get two permits per household. Um, and you have to renew that permit every year based on the house. [1:27:31, 1:27:35]: I think that's exactly what it was. Okay. [1:27:35, 1:27:36]: Questions. [1:27:36, 1:27:37]: Concerns. [1:27:38, 1:27:40]: Okay, I'm sorry. [1:27:40, 1:27:46]: Uh, Chief, I'm not sure if this falls within your jurisdiction, um [1:27:47, 1:27:49]: An issue has come forward and uh [1:27:50, 1:28:00]: I think community development and public works may be a better place for it, but you can correct me. Uh in a commercial [1:28:01, 1:28:02]: Business district. [1:28:03, 1:28:04]: Where you have [1:28:05, 1:28:10]: a number of businesses, but you don't have so many parking spaces. [1:28:10, 1:28:14]: Uh an and it seemed like there's an issue with [1:28:14, 1:28:15]: Who [1:28:16, 1:28:17]: What what? [1:28:17, 1:28:21]: If you're freaking what business, what parking space [1:28:21, 1:28:24]: uh is allotted to that business. [1:28:25, 1:28:31]: Um, I don't think it's in your jurisdiction, but are you f have you has any of that issue come to you? [1:28:32, 1:28:34]: That's regulated by the business license office. [1:28:34, 1:28:47]: Okay. Yes sir. So and that's where that need to go to help those business owners decide how many spaces are designated for for that business. Yes. All right. Thank you. [1:28:51, 1:28:52]: Yeah, you got a question, Ms. Mullett? [1:28:53, 1:29:00]: Yeah. She uh uh thank you for your presentation. Um I guess when you talk about the um [1:29:00, 1:29:20]: parking and I have to go back with the parks. And I'm pretty sure if someone parks there, you have to if it has to be told, you have to cite the owner. Cause there definitely won't be any premafacial evidence. It'll only be hearsay in court. Um but I wanna look at uh because I've seen [1:29:20, 1:29:22]: Um [1:29:23, 1:29:31]: I was looking at when you talked about um jump vehicles and we talk about permits for so many people. [1:29:32, 1:29:33]: Um [1:29:37, 1:29:43]: Anytime a vehicle is gonna be towed, it's gonna be done at the officer's discretion. Is that correct? [1:29:45, 1:29:51]: Uh the officers or code enforcement uh is authorized to tow vehicles under the city's um [1:29:51, 1:29:53]: ordinances as well. [1:29:53, 1:30:02]: Okay,'cause I remember one time they was talking about tow trucks being I just don't want to trucks involved going road through around throughout the city. Um [1:30:03, 1:30:08]: Is there any exceptions to the rule when it comes to the permittance for firecars? [1:30:09, 1:30:14]: I'm sorry for what? Are there any exceptions to the rule when it comes to [1:30:14, 1:30:22]: permitting for ev uh someone have an event at the house and you're saying a permit is only gonna allow five extra cars that could be on the street. [1:30:22, 1:30:26]: Th there is. There's a an exception if you look at um [1:30:30, 1:30:31]: I believe page four. [1:30:35, 1:30:55]: Subsection E says the prohibitions of the section may be weighed for limited special purposes and for limited durations, subject to the rules and regulations promulgated by the chief of police. Um such circumstances may be limited to uh specifically limited to weddings, funerals, holidays, graduations, emergencies, or other special circumstances. They still have to obtain a parking pass, but we [1:30:55, 1:30:57]: We have the option of [1:30:58, 1:31:09]: i if it's if it's eight cars and we feel like there's sufficient room or sufficient space there, then we have the authority to be able to expand that. Okay, good. The the last one is um [1:31:10, 1:31:12]: And I've seen it in my neighborhood where [1:31:13, 1:31:15]: uh vehicles [1:31:16, 1:31:31]: that's some s places in particular, where the vehicles just s is vehicle that sits there. What is what is considered junk or abandoned? How do you determine that if it's just sitting there not having a tag or how or what is what is what cause how do you determine [1:31:32, 1:31:52]: So on page seven, um, it speaks specifically about junk motor vehicles and it says uh a junk motor vehicle is an erect, non-operable, dismantled automobile, truck, trailer, recreational vehicle, motorhome, or other vehicle. And um what determines whether or not that is junked or abandoned means that it doesn't bear a state license plate, um or [1:31:52, 1:32:00]: or revalidation uh decal and it's not obviously in a in a place where it's up for sale, so it would have to maintain current registration as well. [1:32:01, 1:32:07]: So it's not that it's sitting there, it's just not registered as sitting here. [1:32:08, 1:32:17]: No, if it's if it's setting there, it's in plain view and it doesn't appear to be an operational vehicle. No uh meaning that it doesn't have um uh [1:32:17, 1:32:28]: you know, a valid license plate on the vehicle and it appears to be in a state that's not operable or something along those lines, then it would be considered a junked vehicle and it could be it could then be removed from the property. [1:32:29, 1:32:39]: Okay. And the thing about uh what you guys said about the left and right side, I guess you guys gonna be coming to us of how you determine that and how you're gonna be signed. That's enlightened to what [1:32:40, 1:32:48]: Other areas do it. Uh with that. That's already been decided. It's gonna be through signage. So the signage will designate parking on what side of the road. Gotcha. [1:32:50, 1:33:08]: Questions go ahead, sir. Yes. Let's uh be clear on the permits that can be obtained and that everyone would be able to use. Those permits are for what, a couple of hours to be able to park, not overnight, not for an extended period of time. That's just for guests, correct? [1:33:08, 1:33:28]: It's for guests for the duration of the event. There's a whole application at the end. I'm just saying in general, if they are able to park on this whatever side beside that sign, then when the time comes, that's not an unlimited amount of time that they're allowed to park on the left hand side. Yeah, though there'll be an expiration time and date on [1:33:28, 1:33:32]: on this permit that'll be need to be affixed to the vehicle so [1:33:32, 1:33:42]: You know, if they say that this is gonna be over with at eleven o'clock, then permits till eleven o'clock, we'll post that on there and they'll we'll be able to enforce it after uh that time period expires. [1:33:42, 1:34:01]: Right. So in general a prohibition between parking over street up at night unless there is some type of special permit or mitigating circumstances where there may be some aid or something there for someone who's in need of care. Is that correct? Correct. All right. Thank you. No problem. Any other questions? [1:34:02, 1:34:22]: All right, no other questions. You talked about a car sitting on the on a roadway. Could you get to the mic, Kevin? You talked about a car on the roadway and it talks about um removal required it is unlawful to park a vehicle on any roadway in the city for more than twelve hours. So if it's sitting [1:34:22, 1:34:28]: There more than 12 hours, we can't put a sticker on that car and it can't get towed. If it's just stuck sitting there and it's not, you know, it's [1:34:29, 1:34:33]: Uh we will do it if it's an abandoned car or no tag or whatever, but if it's sitting there over twelve hours. [1:34:34, 1:34:36]: Yeah, but I'm speaking more toward [1:34:36, 1:34:37]: Um [1:34:38, 1:34:48]: In my neighborhood, if it's just sitting in the yard. Oh, in the yard. Yeah, nobody's moving it and is that can you can a vehicle in the yard be considered abandoned? [1:34:48, 1:34:50]: Uh it's violation of parking and yard. Yes, sir. [1:34:53, 1:35:06]: No other okay, no other questions. So thank you for the presentation. And uh so with all these particular uh changes, uh is there a motion to accept these changes and and uh to implement this public hearing and uh [1:35:07, 1:35:11]: Not on not on this that I know of. [1:35:12, 1:35:12]: So [1:35:14, 1:35:20]: Which is um it was no it's not listed as a public hearing. We do have a public hearing but it's not on not on this uh not on this issue. [1:35:20, 1:35:23]: Okay. Mr. Washington over there? [1:35:23, 1:35:25]: We wanna make sure we don't have to come back and revisit this. [1:35:27, 1:35:40]: Okay, there's no okay. All right. There motion accepted. Okay. Uh as well. But yes, so moved. [1:35:41, 1:35:41]: Is there a second? [1:35:43, 1:35:47]: Second. Mr. Blount seconded that. Um any other comments? [1:35:48, 1:36:00]: I do. I do have comments. I have some concerns regarding the permitting process. Um, I don't have very many visitors. However, if I wanted to have an event at my home [1:36:00, 1:36:00]: Um [1:36:01, 1:36:04]: I'm not gonna know how many cars are gonna show up. [1:36:04, 1:36:09]: And what happens if I have more cars um even after [1:36:09, 1:36:11]: I've asked for a permit. [1:36:13, 1:36:18]: What happens to those vehicles that may come that does not have a permit though? [1:36:19, 1:36:21]: That is what I'm concerned about. Um [1:36:23, 1:36:31]: Is it at the police department's discretion or whether or not um to site or ticket those vehicles? [1:36:32, 1:36:43]: It it it is and under the circumstances if we you know, we always had the latitude to be able to um if we don't feel the circumstances are appropriate if there were citations issued to rescind those citations. [1:36:43, 1:36:54]: Um, you know, we would in general issue those citations to the homeowner for their event. They would distribute those to their guests to be displayed in their vehicle. There were a situation I would think just officer discretion wise, and they see [1:36:54, 1:37:02]: There are five cars out there that have a permit and you got a sixth one out there and there's one that doesn't. I I would I would think in all likelihood that we probably wouldn't get into um [1:37:03, 1:37:11]: Enforcement on that. How many other well, do you know of other communities that also have this permitting process in place? [1:37:12, 1:37:17]: Th there are various different forms of uh of permitting that are in place in general. [1:37:17, 1:37:31]: Um quite honestly many communities just elect to decide they're either gonna allow parking or they're not gonna allow parking. Um because really when you're regulating parking, the um you know, there there are various different reasons why you would do that. But the number one factor is public safety. [1:37:31, 1:37:51]: And so in many of those cases, they don't want people parking on multiple sides of a roadway on streets that are a certain length because you can't get fire apparatus into the neighborhood or you know emergency uh vehicles into the neighborhood. So they elect to uh place those parking restrictions and they don't allow permitting. If you have a restriction in place, then you adhere to that restriction. [1:37:51, 1:37:55]: restriction in place and there no exceptions in a number of cases. [1:37:56, 1:37:58]: Um one last question. So [1:37:59, 1:38:01]: If the council approves this today, [1:38:02, 1:38:06]: What notice will the community receive as far as [1:38:07, 1:38:10]: The enforcement of this it would be immediate. [1:38:11, 1:38:31]: Yes, we would do um and and we'll work on designing some public safety education literature where we're actually posting warning notices on uh with with actual provisions for the parking uh with these uh violators on the citations. We can check the box for a warning or we can uh i issue an actual citation. [1:38:31, 1:38:39]: in light of some of the changes, but we want to do and especially with the new residents that have come into the city, make sure that they're appropriately apprised on what the uh what the restrictions are. [1:38:40, 1:38:40]: Thank you, Sarah. [1:38:41, 1:38:44]: If you know the question is Mr. Thomas. [1:38:44, 1:38:58]: Okay. Mr. Thomas know that we have a motion but I want you to know we made a motion and second it. We're in discussion that has to accept the entire changes as it's been presented by the chief. So one you know that, sir. Go ahead, Mr. Blount. [1:38:58, 1:39:18]: So so uh Chief, when when they when they do the permits, so if you go by a residence, the officer's able to pull that up in his vehicle that his house has a permit or do do you have to put something on the mailbox? Do will they will they know that this house has a permit if those vehicles are on the street? And we maintain it file, but the way that they're gonna know the way the ordinance writes is that this permit has to be [1:39:18, 1:39:24]: be visible and displayed in the vehicle if you're you're parking there. So you have to have that vehicle, the permit displayed. [1:39:24, 1:39:32]: Th so the specific vehicle that or the owner that went and got the permit, it has to be displayed in that vehicle for whatever the okay, gotcha. [1:39:33, 1:39:37]: Any other questions? Motion has been made in the second. All in favor of the motion, please indicate? [1:39:38, 1:39:58]: Okay, it's unanimous station. Thank you, Chief. Appreciate it. Captain Madison, thank you for all your hard work as well. All right, we'll move on. And uh, and what actually is next is a public hearing, comprehensive plan, five-year update to see Stockbridge Mayor and City Council. Of course, we'll have a public hearing uh this evening. And uh this deals with the Stockbridge Community Development. [1:39:58, 1:40:18]: Department to adopt a five-year update in the City of Starbucks Comprehensive Plan 2018 to 2023, which is required by the Georgia Department of Community Affairs. The five-year update would be effective from 2024 to 2028. It has been prepared by the Atlanta Regional Commission, ARC, in consultation with the City of [1:40:18, 1:40:20]: Dobbridge Community Development Department. [1:40:20, 1:40:40]: The five-year update comprom comprises an update to reflect recent development patterns of the city and also includes a new future land use plan and map. The land use categories have been modified to make needed corrections and class clarifications, and to include the new zoning districts which were created through the adoption [1:40:40, 1:41:00]: Of the Stockbridge Unified Development Code on March 14th of 2022. Mr. Ryan Anderson, sir, please. Good afternoon. Good evening again. Good evening. I'd like to introduce Ms. Carrie Stevens from the Carolina Regional Commission. She worked in conjunction with staff as we prepared this document. Please keep in mind that it's just [1:41:00, 1:41:01]: Just uh [1:41:02, 1:41:22]: Up an update is not a major rewrite. It's just a major rewrite. It's just a an update on our existing document. A major rewrite uh would be probably required in 2028. Uh this document attempts to bring all the cities' plans and studies into uniformity. This draft document incorporates some of the latest trends, best practice, and modern [1:41:22, 1:41:42]: Modernizes our comp plan. The document was updated with a great deal of interdepartmental coordination, particularly from economic development and public works, working together with community development. One of the things we tried to alleviate was the need of having too many comp plan amendments by working on our density scale. [1:41:42, 1:41:50]: Uh the document also introduces some new concepts in land use. And once again, this is only an update. [1:41:52, 1:41:52]: All right. [1:41:53, 1:42:13]: Thank you, Ryan, and um thank you, Mayor and City Council. I'm excited to be back here. We were all together in April, end of April, getting this process started. Um so I'll just go through um obviously there's a lot of um parts to this, um, but again, I'm with the ARC and and we're really working uh together with all of our communities to make one great region. [1:42:13, 1:42:23]: region. So that is a philosophy that we have at ARC and we really do want to work with the community, with yourselves and your citizens and stakeholders to make sure we get the best plan for you. [1:42:26, 1:42:41]: So we've done our welcome. We'll go through welcome and some introductions about comp planning. Um we did go through this in April, but we'll go through it again just briefly for um the council and for the community that's here uh to listen. I'll go through a timeline of how we got here and what we have done so far. [1:42:41, 1:42:46]: We'll go through the vision for the plan, um the public input that we have received so far. [1:42:47, 1:42:56]: A summary of some of the changes. We'll review what's called the report of accomplishments and also talk about your community work program, and then we'll go through some next steps. [1:43:02, 1:43:03]: Nope. [1:43:04, 1:43:05]: Sorry about that. [1:43:08, 1:43:28]: So, why do we plan? We plan for a lot of different reasons. We need to prepare for our future, which there's been a bunch of that discussed today through some of the programs and projects that you've been working on. We provide for public health, safety, and welfare. We want to build community. We want to minim minimize our weaknesses and enhance our strengths, accommodate present needs and anticipate. [1:43:28, 1:43:39]: Change. And of course, we also want to do this plan because the Department of Community Affairs asks us to do it nicely every five years so we can maintain our quality, uh qualified local government status. [1:43:41, 1:44:01]: So every five years, the Department of Community Affairs asks that the community update the needs and opportunities. Now is a new feature of the plan is to update your broadband section. Actually, this community is very well served by broadband, which is a good thing to hear. Update our land use map, review our report of accomplishments. [1:44:01, 1:44:10]: And this is what we do. We review the old community work program and see what has been accomplished in the last five years, and then we decide. [1:44:11, 1:44:19]: Which things have been completed, which things are underway, things that we no longer want to pursue, and things that we have postponed. [1:44:20, 1:44:38]: And then we define what is our new community work program, which includes the things that were underway from our old community work program and things that were postponed. So these are things that we definitely want to continue working on and are important to the community, but also brand new items that we want to address in the next five years. [1:44:40, 1:45:00]: So ARC as a regional commission, we are required by DCA and happy to do so, help you work out your goals, which we'll talk a little bit this evening about, your needs and opportunities. Again, work with you on broadband and update your community work program. Of course, it's our goal to take all the feedback where appropriate, not just in these required [1:45:00, 1:45:13]: areas so we try to get into some of the nitty-gritty that this community wants to address. In your public meetings, we again have we've gone through two public meetings and we also have a website that people've had the opportunity to provide input to. [1:45:17, 1:45:37]: So some of the focuses, and Ryan alluded to some of these as well, is updating your land use map. The prior land use map did not have the recently annexed areas included in it, so we did update that map. Um look at the housing trends uh that are coming up and have become important to the city of Sokbridge, uh updating your goals uh from that 2017. [1:45:37, 1:45:50]: plan, do your community work program. And as Ryan alluded to, we had a lot of intergovernmental coordination, especially with public works and economic development, to make sure that this plan is up to date and meets your needs. [1:45:51, 1:46:11]: Uh we're also including, which we didn't have before, uh a long range chapter. Uh so this plan, your community work program, adjusts the next five years, but there's a number of strategic plans that you have uh in place now uh that will exceed that five year, but we want to make sure that those plans are captured in this plan. Uh so we'll be adding that long range. [1:46:11, 1:46:31]: Range chapter. Two things that come into uh that come to mind is the model mile project that you're working on that possibly will exceed your five-year time frame. And also certain portions of your park master plan will exceed that time frame. So we'll make sure that those are addressed. And the important part of addressing those in the long range chapter is for some reason, if in fact [1:46:31, 1:46:41]: you find out that there's additional funding you can apply for, it's still in your plan. So this adopted plan will support you applying for funding even if it's in the long range section. [1:46:42, 1:46:49]: We've utilized the new strategic plan, the Parkmaster plan, and community input as well as other plans. [1:46:50, 1:47:01]: So as you can see here, we did include discussion about different housing types that might be appropriate here in the city. So those will be included within this update to the plan. [1:47:02, 1:47:22]: So what's our timeline? As I said, I was here April 25th. We launched our website in that timeframe. We had our first public open house on May the 17th. We've had two steering committees, one in June and one in July. Excuse me, actually, August, early August. We started drafting the document in July. [1:47:22, 1:47:32]: July and August. We had another public open house here in early August and we are here tonight to have our second public hearing. [1:47:32, 1:47:50]: The deadline for adoption of this document is October the 31st. We do have to transmit the document to the Department of Community Affairs, and they have 30 days to review that document. So when you get it back, you do have to approve it before October 31st to maintain your qualified local government status. [1:47:51, 1:47:53]: So we're working off that deadline. [1:47:55, 1:48:07]: So we have updated your vision in this document to um reflect the new Stockbridge strategic plan. Uh so the new vision in that particular plan and what we propose for this plan. [1:48:07, 1:48:20]: As to be the most progressive business and family oriented community at Metro Atlanta with a focus on enhanced quality of life initiatives which promote a sustainable live, work, play environment. [1:48:20, 1:48:24]: Uh and we're also including in here your tagline and branding where community connects. [1:48:25, 1:48:28]: And you can see that in the in the great mural that you have. Um [1:48:28, 1:48:31]: Across the street that I included in the in the presentation. [1:48:33, 1:48:50]: So for public input, uh just to see where we are, um, the website survey we've had 136 views with 336 responses. Uh a great uh point that I found when I was looking at the data from the survey was that eighty-eight percent um as of [1:48:51, 1:48:54]: I think it was Friday of last week. Um [1:48:54, 1:49:08]: deemed that the quality of life in Stockbridge is either average or above average. Um so that's a really good percentage of your population that um provided us input to this survey really enjoys living in Stockbridge and val values their quality of life. [1:49:08, 1:49:28]: So, some other uh points of data: 75% lived in Stockbridge over 11 years. Uh, 29% is from 50 to 59 as far as age, and 70 to 79. That was a tie. Uh 92% of the respondents were homeowners. Uh, here's some general themes uh that came out of that survey: that it's a small town. [1:49:28, 1:49:35]: and it's family friendly. There are some traffic issues that the community would like to be addressed, some crime issues. [1:49:35, 1:49:51]: Uh a lack of sit-down restaurants and grocery stores, uh, and the need for pedestrian and bicycle safety and connectivity. We did address that um just in the plan earlier that we just had the presentation on, so we'll include that in this particular plan. And housing for low and moderate income folks. [1:49:51, 1:50:03]: So again, we had two different public open houses that addressed transportation, housing, land use priorities, and improvement locations, and had two different steering committee meetings. [1:50:07, 1:50:19]: Uh so here's just a view of the website that we've had up since April, uh I think it actually late April, early May, um for people to make comments and we're gonna keep that open, uh Ryan, until late next week. [1:50:20, 1:50:29]: Yep. Um so after this meeting, if you want to publicize it, get the word out, we can uh have a few additional comments uh as um in this website on this website, excuse me. [1:50:30, 1:50:50]: So here are the summary of some of the changes. So I'm not going to read through each one of these goals. Feel free to ask me any questions about these. We defined these goals from all of the public input that we received at the meetings and through the survey that I just discussed. And we worked with staff to make sure that we're adequately representing the city. [1:50:50, 1:50:57]: So the ones in black, as you can see here, are goals that existed in the 2017 plan. [1:50:57, 1:51:04]: Uh but we did feel as though the the goals needed to be expanded. Uh so we did add new population goals. [1:51:04, 1:51:07]: New economic development goals. [1:51:07, 1:51:15]: Uh housing goals uh especially and we did change the first housing goal to update it just a little bit um with wording. [1:51:15, 1:51:20]: Updated our natural resources goals, uh the community facilities goals. [1:51:21, 1:51:41]: Future land use, transportation, broadband, intergovernmental as well. And we add one new general category, which was general coordination. And the staff, as well as the community, felt that it was important to establish and ensure cooperation between nonprofits and other partners in the city. And that was not addressed in the last comprehensive plan. [1:51:43, 1:51:57]: So here, I mean I know this is pretty small, but this is the updated future land use map. Um as I said, it does include uh the annexed areas. Um and we have also addressed here uh one extra district, which is a special purpose district. [1:51:58, 1:52:03]: And one thing that the staff felt was very important was to address the density and scale. [1:52:04, 1:52:24]: Of those particular districts. Uh there was a lot of changes each time with comp plan amendments. Uh so we looked at the the future land use map and we wanted it to comply with the parkway mixed use district as well as your downtown village overlay and your unique you your new unified development code. So we looked at large inter [1:52:24, 1:52:27]: winter changes where some of this density would be appropriate. [1:52:27, 1:52:33]: Uh and these are some proposed the proposed densities for these particular districts. So the special purpose district was this which is new. [1:52:34, 1:52:37]: uh is proposed at sixteen to twenty four units per acre. [1:52:37, 1:52:42]: Low density residential is proposed at one to three point nine nine per acre. [1:52:42, 1:52:51]: Medium density residential is proposed at 4 to 7.99 per acre, and high density residential is proposed at 18 to 16 units. [1:52:54, 1:52:58]: So our report of accomplishments and our community work program. [1:52:58, 1:53:18]: Uh so we had a lot of great success over the last five years updating this community work program. So thirteen action items out of thirty-two were absolutely completed, which is really amazing for a five-year timeframe. Uh but many of the projects are still underway, are closer to completion. So I think we've had great success over the last five years and [1:53:18, 1:53:25]: And the picture that I put on this slide is your amazing amphitheater that you have right out here, and that's an amazing accomplishment for the city. [1:53:27, 1:53:47]: So the community work program, this is a five-year plan for programs and projects. It updates economic development, land use, parks and green space, transportation and public works, and community facilities. I showed here a picture of the plan that we just uh heard a presentation on. That will be included in your community work program as well. [1:53:47, 1:54:07]: As an update to the parks master plan will be included. So we'll have the one to three time frame projects that are in your master plan addressed in the community work program, as well as the three to five, and then as I said, we'll have the long-range plan which can address the projects that go longer than five years. So we we have a number [1:54:07, 1:54:13]: number of projects for each one of these topics, and those will be included in the community work program. [1:54:16, 1:54:26]: And our next steps, as I said, will be to finalize the document, make any suggestions that we need. We will transmit that to the Department of Community Affairs for their review. [1:54:26, 1:54:32]: takes thirty days for them to make their review, then it comes back to this committee for adoption at that point. [1:54:32, 1:54:41]: We do have the opportunity at any time prior to adoption to make minor changes to the plan. So we have a good a good window to make any changes that we'd like to see. [1:54:42, 1:54:49]: So with that, that's a a brief overview of where we are and where we're going, and I'm happy to answer any questions. [1:54:51, 1:54:51]: But [1:54:52, 1:55:12]: Okay, boy, Ms. Alzander. Yes, thank you so much for your assistance and you're always positive about everything going on here. You know, it was really good to hear you say we've made so much progress in the last five years. And uh because you've seen it region wide and you see that uh these numbers are very impressive that the city's been able to accomplish the number of projects. [1:55:12, 1:55:32]: projects. The one issue that we always get bombarded with here is the traffic and people talk about that. Most of the time the county has theirs on their has most of the comprehensive transportation plans on their comprehensive plan. So [1:55:32, 1:55:42]: So should we be concerned about making sure that we have matching what they're doing in terms of including those projects uh in our plan as well? [1:55:42, 1:56:02]: Yes, so um I I didn't go through the laundry list, we'll provide you the list. I didn't go through it in this presentation today, uh but based on our last conversation there were two roadways that you discussed in April that you wanted included on here, which was Flippin' Road and Rock Quarry Road. So those are both included on this plan. Uh and included also is Highway one hundred thirty eight. [1:56:02, 1:56:11]: um a traffic plan for that. So we've included some of those major traffic points to be included in our plan as well. [1:56:12, 1:56:32]: And one of the roles that we need to look at, we have this big development coming on Jodeco Road. And certainly, um, Jodeco needs to be I think the county has Jodeco on theirs, but certainly if we're gonna sync up with what they're doing, we certainly need to make sure that uh we are putting forth the effort and [1:56:32, 1:56:38]: and showing that we certainly want that project to be accomplished with so much uh coming to the area. [1:56:39, 1:56:59]: And Ryan had mentioned and we've included it on here as well, is in addition to just studying the traffic patterns there to address it through LCI as an update. And I can let you speak to that as well. Yes, uh we had it on the list for uh FY twenty-four to do a LCI study for the Jodico area, but we might not be able to fund it um in FY twenty four. [1:56:58, 1:57:08]: Because of budgetary constraints, but we are looking for additional resources to fund it. And uh an outcome plan will line up with all the plans that are [1:57:08, 1:57:17]: within the city and with the uh applicable Henry County plan. So we will take information from the um Henry County Transportation Plan and incorporate in this document. [1:57:17, 1:57:28]: I think the mo the most important thing is I think even if we don't have the funding that it's identified in the plan because without being identified in the plan it can't be funded, correct? [1:57:29, 1:57:33]: Yes, sir. But we w we will identify and this and it's in the and it will be in the listy. [1:57:33, 1:57:53]: Yeah, so certainly in addition to that, we would just kind of scrub the Henry County plan and just make sure that we uh we are representing those traffic areas uh as well in terms of uh things that we're doing. And you did indicate some of the things that we have coming up, like the parks master plan uh is included. [1:57:53, 1:58:13]: And we have that happen a lot where residents asking about what are we doing to protect the city in terms of uh cutting down trees and protecting green spaces. That's what the Park Master Plan does, right? Is to make sure that we are planning for the future to make sure that we d identify uh current [1:58:13, 1:58:20]: improve identify and improve current parks and then even identify some new parkland uh in the city as well. [1:58:21, 1:58:29]: Yeah, th there's a lot in this. This is the Parks Master Plan implementation portion. So we're gonna reference this document in total. [1:58:29, 1:58:49]: And spread it out as I said, I think it's one to three years and then three to five years. So those can be included as reference on that community work program, which is five years. But we're also going to include the entire plan in the appendix and then reference in the long range section. So if there is a section that may uh have been thought of as longer range than five years. [1:58:49, 1:58:53]: years but you do you want to address it and apply for funds, it will be addressed in this plan. [1:58:53, 1:58:55]: Okay. All right. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. [1:58:56, 1:59:07]: Any other questions? Look good? Okay. Thank you for the pres well that's thank you. But uh but uh obviously it's a public hearing, so I need to open up for the public hearing. Almost forgot that. [1:59:07, 1:59:25]: But anyway, uh so make public hearing, so I'm opening up for uh any comments uh positively, I guess you may say, that in reference to this particular um five year plan that was just presented. So I'll start on my very left side and public public comments uh four, positive comments for [1:59:25, 1:59:27]: My left side. In the middle. [1:59:28, 1:59:29]: The far right. [1:59:31, 1:59:40]: All right, any comments from a far left of uh anything that you're not satisfied with, you wanna add, or maybe negative comments, anything along those lines on my left side? [1:59:40, 1:59:41]: In the middle. [1:59:42, 1:59:43]: And right. [1:59:43, 1:59:53]: So I see nothing. So I'll close the public hearing. And actually, Council, um, unless you have any other questions, because obviously this is something that we have to adopt before the thirty-first of October, is my understanding. [1:59:53, 2:00:13]: Yeah, so what we'll do um is we'll finalize our work, um, and then a letter will need to come from you, Mayor, uh, to transmit this to the Department of Community Affairs, which then gives them thirty days, and then you will have to do a vote and a resolution to adopt it before that October thirty first deadline. Well obviously we're not gonna do that tonight, but I'll that'll come a little [2:00:13, 2:00:21]: A little later. Okay. Any other comments, Council? If not, thank you, ma'am. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. I I've really enjoyed working with you and and [2:00:21, 2:00:37]: Hope to continue uh doing all our great work together. You we will. Absolutely. Thank you. New business. Council consideration to renew the contract for emergency services for civil engineering services with Whitley Engineering, not to exceed a six month time frame. Mr. Anderson, please. [2:00:44, 2:01:01]: Yes, um this the purpose of this item is to um is to extend the emergency contract service for Willie Engineering Service. Um this summer uh we've kinda gotten back on track with the department. Um we're uh we've improved our customer experience for both the internal and external customer. [2:01:01, 2:01:07]: We got a lot of projects rolling that were stalled. Most of our pro well, all of our projects are back moving forward. [2:01:07, 2:01:27]: Um we're on time with our reviews and Mark Whitley, the gentleman who's sitting right there, he played an instrument, a big role in helping us get back on the right foot. So for the past two months we've been running smoothly and everything's looking good for us. Now we have more compliments than we have complaints. So department is doing pretty [2:01:27, 2:01:31]: Well right now. So and Mark played a instrumental role in that. [2:01:31, 2:01:40]: So staff recommends extending his contract for an additional six months. Okay. Uh Mark, did you uh need to say anything? Come forward in the comments, sir? [2:01:45, 2:02:05]: Yes, I I would like to I guess introduce myself. The first time the contract was approved, uh I didn't speak and just wanted to make sure that everybody knew the face and I knew you f your faces and names and if anything that I could do to to help anybody needs anything from me. I I've enjoyed working with your staff. I've uh I've been in this area ever since [2:02:05, 2:02:25]: my college days, which was quite a long time ago, and very experienced of working in Henry and Clayton counties and and worked with several cities in this area and continue to work for several other cities. And it's just been a pleasure to work with your staff and to see all of us be able to grow together. And we just really enjoyed [2:02:25, 2:02:45]: Helping get things moving along. Okay. Council, any questions at all for the gentleman? Yeah, just go right here, please. Sir, thank you. I appreciate your helping and the staff's recommendation for you to be able to uh well impact that. We just need to let people know that we're business friendly and that we're able to uh move processes through the system as a [2:02:45, 2:02:53]: efficiently uh as possible. I think one of the challenges that we had talked about previously was staffing. Talk about your staffing levels. [2:02:54, 2:03:14]: Well, my staffing levels, we we are a small firm. We are a staff of seven people, and three of us are engineers. And um generally Stockbridge I handle myself. If I need assistance, I will get that assistance from my staff. But um really with the level of what's needed as far as my work, uh, is something [2:03:14, 2:03:16]: that I can handle me directly. [2:03:16, 2:03:22]: Okay, so your staffing level right now is seven. Is that fully employed? Are you looking for a couple? How does that work? [2:03:23, 2:03:36]: Yeah, we we are we've been I guess at that level probably for four or five years. Mm-hmm. So we we're not looking to add to it. We're not not looking to get rid of anybody either. So we're very satisfied with the with our staff and the level of service that we can provide. [2:03:37, 2:03:52]: Talk about the level that you've seen in terms of the increase, especially I guess we've seen a lot of stuff come out along the Johtoco corridor in those areas in terms of what's going on and your ability to handle that increased workload. [2:03:52, 2:04:11]: Yes, sir. We've um we've been able to handle a Jotaco, of course, that development itself has been a lot going on just in that one area. Um I I've been, you know, kind of astonished with the growth uh throughout Stockbridge itself, some of the things that we're seeing even coming up with some of the residential areas. I know there's some rezoning's coming up. [2:04:11, 2:04:17]: So I've you know, it's I've been kind of amazed with the amount of growth in that's coming in the area and continues to come. [2:04:17, 2:04:19]: Um again [2:04:19, 2:04:29]: We d we don't have a problem keeping up with that level of service. If it gets to the point to where we do, then we'll add additional staff. But as of right now, we we are fine with the staff. [2:04:30, 2:04:30]: Thank you. [2:04:30, 2:04:32]: Any other questions for uh for the council? [2:04:33, 2:04:37]: No? Okay. Well on that note I need a motion to accept this six month extension. [2:04:39, 2:04:40]: Okay, a second. [2:04:41, 2:04:44]: Mr can Mr Thomas second then. All in favor, please indicate. [2:04:45, 2:04:48]: Unanimous decision. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. [2:04:49, 2:05:01]: Okay, council consideration to accept uh nine hundred and five thousand five hundred and seventy five dollars in grant funding from the governor's office of planning and budget, public safety and community violence redirection. Redaction? [2:05:02, 2:05:05]: P S C V R G O Grant Program. [2:05:06, 2:05:06]: Chief. [2:05:07, 2:05:08]: Trammer. [2:05:09, 2:05:09]: Tranberg. [2:05:10, 2:05:13]: Good evening again. Trusted Captain Anderson, please. [2:05:17, 2:05:37]: There and council, uh, as you are aware, you've probably seen from the news that um the city of Stockbridge, um, namely Captain Anderson applied for um the grant funding that was available through the Governor's Office of Planning and Budget uh under the Violent Crime Reduction Act. And um uh we were fortunate to be [2:05:37, 2:05:49]: be one of the recipient agencies. Uh we initially applied for uh around eight hundred and some thousand dollars, but were awarded nine hundred and five thousand dollars in funding to be able to implement various different uh [2:05:50, 2:05:55]: uh programs that will serve to reduce crime within the city of Stockbridge. Um [2:05:56, 2:06:07]: Just to highlight some of the things that we will be utilizing this funny this this funding for, uh one of those is the uh installation of flock license plate reader cameras throughout the city. [2:06:07, 2:06:27]: Uh we will also be implementing various different technologies in our crime lab that will enhance our capability to be able to effectively investigate crimes, particularly on the forensic side as it relates to uh cell phones. And um we also have received considerable funding to implement our own [2:06:27, 2:06:30]: uh nive in cartridge case um [2:06:31, 2:06:51]: analysis tool which will essentially allow us to be able to identify uh if we have shell casings or ballistics from crime scene to be able to match those two uh suspect weapons. Um so that's a considerable expense and there are very few agencies in the state that actually have that capacity and that's something that we'll be able to implement. We also have within that [2:06:51, 2:07:00]: That's some predictive analysis software that will help us more effectively forecast crime in the city. And we also have um [2:07:00, 2:07:11]: Funding in here for a drone. We are looking to start a drone as first responder program to be able to um assist the department with uh various different uh public safety. [2:07:12, 2:07:32]: purposes or for various different public safety purposes. And then with that also we receive funding for about a hundred twenty-five thousand dollar virtual simulator, which will allow us to enhance the quality of training that we provide to our officers. Uh we'll also be able to use this with our Citizens Police Academy and other community groups to bring them in to run them through real life public safety scenarios. [2:07:32, 2:07:52]: scenarios so they can get a firsthand account of um what it's like to um experience some of the things that our officers encounter on a regular basis. And then the last thing within that is we received a significant portion of funding to implement um ready gear for our officers in the event that we have an active shooter event here. [2:07:52, 2:08:12]: From ballistic helmets to specialized uh ballistic plating and and various different other pieces of protective equipment to be able to respond more effectively to mass killing incidents and our well, hopefully we never have something like that happen in this community, but to enable us to be able to respond most effectively to those. So we have been blessed with um a significant amount of funding to [2:08:12, 2:08:32]: To move these things forward. These obviously would have been expenses otherwise that we would have to put into our capital improvement plan and we would have to make decisions about whether or not we were able to implement some of these things. And by virtue of this opportunity available, very fortunate to be able to bring some of these things and cutting edge technology into our department. And again, uh thanks to Captain Anderson for her work. [2:08:31, 2:08:51]: Uh she's done an amazing job in securing uh funding of various different sorts for uh our police department, which has been a considerable uh cost reduction to um our community. So uh fortunate to have her on staff and appreciate her work and efforts on this. Outstanding chief, Captain Addison, way to go. He can't let you go. [2:08:51, 2:09:07]: He doesn't need it. You gotta stay, without a doubt. Community policing, twenty first century. Wait a high tech, I tell you, we got it going on. Yeah, and that's definitely got it going on. I guess I'll be quiet for a second. Mr. Blood, you have something, sir. Yeah, on your um the simulator you just discuss. [2:09:08, 2:09:27]: Is that something gonna be here or you guys have to set it up somewhere else? You guys got room for that, or is it gonna be set up somewhere else? Yeah, the technology's actually evolved and so we've gone from many of these systems where static screens or uh a set of screens to provide sort of a three sixty environment. We're actually looking at some state of the art technology. It's actually a virtual simulator. [2:09:27, 2:09:44]: So it uses VR technology and what that means is it doesn't require as much space, as large of a footprint. We can set this up in pretty much any space. So we can take this program mobily, uh someplace in the community, or we can, you know, do it in-house. So that's what we're looking at uh as it relates to the technology. [2:09:44, 2:09:50]: Oh, that's really, really good. Um, I wouldn't expect any more out of APS. [2:09:50, 2:09:58]: uh, you know, to do what you're doing, you know what I mean? So uh we definitely appreciate uh all your due diligence in what you're doing and uh [2:09:58, 2:10:07]: Just keep'em coming. You you you seem to be uh the right person for the for the job here. So she she goes after it. Yes, yes. [2:10:08, 2:10:28]: Comments down here? Oh go ahead and answer, please. I just want to thank you for everything that you do. And certainly, you know, with uh every dollar being counted here, every time we can bring some additional funding to the table, uh certainly does help as we look to be good stewards of the citizens' money. And one of the things that is our charge. [2:10:28, 2:10:48]: To bring some of their tax dollars back to the city. You know, in the past that hasn't always been the case, but I certainly have noticed since you've arrived, that has been a priority. We've seen results. And that's what it really come down to, right, Mayor? Results. Absolutely. That you're bringing home the money of the citizens and then [2:10:48, 2:11:08]: And as as we do and we move forward, it's obviously it's uh it's exciting to hear that we're gonna be able to span the flock camera network with the tag readers uh throughout town. And certainly at our budget retreat, we talked about uh as we move forward, it's a step in the direction of a citywide uh camera network. [2:11:08, 2:11:21]: to be able to keep the citizens safe. And certainly there's, I'm sure there's some additional funding that we'll be going after to try to make that happen. But every time there's an eye somewhere else, I certainly want to see that. [2:11:21, 2:11:25]: You know, I I wanna catch one of them people throwing litter on the street. I don't know. [2:11:27, 2:11:47]: I just like to give'em a thousand dollar fine for throwing litter on the street. And it is it it seems so m minuscule, but that is the one thing that just really bothers me is that we see litter along the street and I just can't imagine who's doing it. I know none of us would do that. So certainly we like to see uh things move forward. [2:11:47, 2:12:03]: and uh your activities in terms of several neighborhoods have actually added those cameras as well. I think the Winding Creek neighborhood was uh has added it and certainly I think we would encourage as many subdivisions and individuals to follow suit, correct? [2:12:04, 2:12:21]: Absolutely. So you have a comment, sir? No, not at all. Go right, please. And um uh we're talking on the lines of the camera and I think the flock system and you're hearing almost every day on the news how it's assisting in uh various areas. Um [2:12:22, 2:12:31]: When when you have subdivisions that has an HOA and they determine, hey, we're gonna take that budget, we're gonna make we're gonna put these flock cameras here, and we talked about this, Chief. [2:12:32, 2:12:35]: And they and they make it happen'cause we know the connectivity of all that. [2:12:36, 2:12:48]: How do you how can we handle as elected officials when subdivisions come to us that don't have a HOA? How could how could they make that happen? Or what can we tell them? [2:12:50, 2:12:57]: Yeah, I guess that would be a collective that uh they would have to put something together in order to, you know, pull the funds together for that. Um [2:12:58, 2:13:18]: You know, those those areas that don't have a homeowners association where they have funds available for that, those are things that we could build in as we look for additional funding opportunities or uh you know, it'd be our goal and hopefully as we write into plans for future developments that this be required technology because it's that important. Um the technology now has the cap the capacity built in. [2:13:18, 2:13:20]: Yeah. [2:13:21, 2:13:41]: Um so you know w we're we're seeing uh considerable advances in technology. The camera system that you'd mentioned, the network of cameras that we're looking to implement. As a matter of fact, Captain Anderson's already written a grant for that, so we're waiting to hear back on that. It'll be a three hundred thousand dollar project that would uh hopefully bring a network of uh AI uh capable cameras [2:13:41, 2:14:01]: Uh into um uh various different large um or heavily trafficked areas of the community. But going back to your question, um if they wanted to pull something together, the neighbors could come together and do that. But it's it's something that has to be a sustainable uh expense because it's um I believe$2,000 to$2,500 a year uh per. [2:14:01, 2:14:21]: camera. And um, but again, it's a considerable investment because it gives us real-time alerts. As a matter of fact, um one of our officers this morning um just stopped uh suspect in a stolen vehicle um off of a flock alert, stopped him on Old Conyers Road and took him into custody as a result of that uh based on a real-time alert that they received from that camera system. [2:14:20, 2:14:40]: So um it it's it's doing some amazing things out there and we want to continue to see that expand across the community. But if we could have partnerships across the board um to be able to implement those things, that would be great. Another thing too, I'd mentioned at the council retreat, the budget retreat, is that um we've also attained status as a um [2:14:40, 2:15:00]: uh foundation and what that means is that uh residents, members of this community and businesses are eligible for a um uh tax uh deduction by donating to the police foundation and we can leverage those donations uh so there may be businesses that want to contribute to that then we can use that uh to then uh [2:15:00, 2:15:02]: Uh install additional [2:15:03, 2:15:08]: cameras and other pieces of technology into uh communities that aren't able to do that themselves. [2:15:08, 2:15:11]: Okay, uh just a follow up on that. If [2:15:11, 2:15:14]: If a community that that doesn't have an HOA [2:15:15, 2:15:20]: And they say that they want this and they get a eighty percent of the people say they want it. [2:15:21, 2:15:26]: Systematically is there something that could be put in place that those parcels [2:15:26, 2:15:36]: that the city installs it and those parcels, those those parcels, whoever lives in that house, pays that on their bills, whatever bill they have. [2:15:37, 2:15:57]: I'm not sure I I couldn't. I don't I don't know if that could work. Like you you see what I'm saying? It would be something that would come on a bill for those who it doesn't matter if they change whoever comes in the house for that though those addresses would get a bill. We can research that. We can reach out to to Flock. We're actually in conversations with them now about the [2:15:57, 2:16:17]: Installation of the cameras, assuming that you all approve this, uh, we can move forward discussions with them to implement those and have some conversations to see if they're dealing with other communities that may have similar uh a similar situation. Yeah, that that'll be good, Chief, because that th those are the comp those are the questions I get. And in fact, Ms. Jones that was just here, she she just left Law. [2:16:17, 2:16:20]: While she's in one of those situations where they have a [2:16:20, 2:16:40]: tight net uh community, but they don't have an HOA. So, you know, I'm just wanting to know what can we say is to those communities that don't have HOAs uh for a system like this that is very, very, very, very good. Yeah. Okay. Appreciate Miss uh Barber, go ahead please. I I just wanted to commend [2:16:40, 2:16:46]: And Captain Anderson, thank you. Um I know that the police department um is a huge [2:16:46, 2:16:47]: Um [2:16:48, 2:16:52]: Part of our operating budget, and to hear you consistently. [2:16:53, 2:16:56]: Coming to us with uh grant awards um [2:16:56, 2:17:02]: helps us a lot. So thank you. Thank you for consistently looking. [2:17:02, 2:17:05]: And identifying ways to bring funding back to us. Thank you. [2:17:06, 2:17:07]: Who's Alexander? [2:17:07, 2:17:15]: Absolutely, I certainly concur on those words. Uh Mr Washington, are you over there? You come to the podium, sir. [2:17:18, 2:17:38]: Now we just got through discussing a recommendation uh made by the chief, which is that as we go forth and we improve as we approve new subdivisions and developments that we will require uh this camera technology. Is that what that was your assessment, Chief? Yes sir. [2:17:38, 2:17:58]: So what do we need to do to actually get the legislation together so that this council could actually consider the pass that I certainly would like to know what the council thinks about that to be able to go ahead and pass that legislation so that every time we build a new subdivision or a new development that that camera technology that [2:17:58, 2:18:18]: Flock technology is included from day one. I support that. I would certainly like to see that being put together. And then also, I know I had sent you some communication about it, about this new ordinance that had been passed in DeCav County and the city of Atlanta where they were having those. [2:18:18, 2:18:38]: cameras installed at the gas stations because they were having so many issues and especially with us having so much interstate access to be able to look at uh having those high definition cameras because it seems like every time something happens their camera's not working or somebody's camera's not working. Chief, chime in on your thoughts about the gas [2:18:37, 2:18:46]: station uh cameras and then we can talk about the uh having the legislation put forth on establishing flog. [2:18:47, 2:19:06]: Yeah, I I think that um a lot of that needs to be contingent on where you're having uh high number of instances. So we would have to look at our crime mapping and see um the frequency. So obviously if you're in the one hundred thirty eight North Henry corridor and you're operating business over there, we obviously have a lot of problems over there. And I think that it would be feasible. Um [2:19:06, 2:19:26]: You know, there may be some areas, however, where there's not a lot of traffic, there's not a lot of crime, and so to impose that on a business owner in that community, um, I think there had be some discussions as it relates to that, but it's certainly valuable uh technology that we would want to uh have in place, particularly in areas where the crime data would uh justify and I believe in many of the cases [2:19:26, 2:19:46]: That you're referencing. Um, that was the fact there, that there had been a number of of incidents at these locations. They had become quote unquote problem locations, and it was a requirement for them to implement um cameras there. And I don't know that it's just gas stations. I mean, we have a couple of hotels that we probably could uh, you know, urge to implement that technology and [2:19:46, 2:20:06]: Those places also to help uh deter crime. As a matter of fact, uh we recently had we're dealing with um a group of serial burglars, much like the entering autos that are operating all over the city. And they broke into a couple of businesses here in the city, and all four businesses broken into, none of them had operational uh cameras. So um, you know, those things, those [2:20:06, 2:20:26]: Those things are value added and uh do help us definitely tie people to those crimes. And as the uh crime data indicates, I think that it would be a a worthwhile investment requirement for those businesses to implement that technology. Well, maybe as uh I let the like I said the rest of the council to chime in, but I'd like to see you bring some information back on uh potential. [2:20:26, 2:20:46]: putting that program together where we do uh encourage especially those along high crime areas to be able to require them uh to have cameras. But uh Mr. Washington will you speak about uh the the legislation necessary to establish uh going forward each new division. [2:20:46, 2:20:50]: subdivision or b development that they require these cameras. [2:20:50, 2:21:10]: Right. So we can draft an ordinance. The question is the enforcement mechanism and who it would be with from a from this perspective. Individual people will still be buying land and buying houses, but if you're looking at subdivisions and you have to contract with a developer when the developer is coming in, so that that's part of the conditions that they would have. So that can either be done out of [2:21:10, 2:21:30]: community development or we can do an ordinance because the but the ordinance would need to state where you would want the cameras to be and the specificity that you would want them because if you're going to do an ordinance it won't be tailored to individual communities unless you have carved exceptions and someone to monitor that on our side as the [2:21:30, 2:21:49]: city. So if you're gonna do an ordinance that says all subdivisions above 10 houses has to have X number of cameras, it can be done that way. But if you want individual consideration to be given to individual communities and tailor it that way, then that would be probably separate from an ordinance. And then the final thing that on the other side of that is that [2:21:49, 2:21:58]: The funding mechanism, would that be that the people would pay for that that are part of the communities, or would that be something that the cities would pay for? And that would just need to be explained in the if it if it is going to be an ordinance. [2:21:59, 2:22:19]: Well certainly I think that would be the the the goal is that you added protection when you move in when a new zoning when a developer comes to us to go ahead and approve that. I'd like to know what the rest of the council thinks about it. Well I'll I'll tell you what, I'll chime in at this point. I think that uh ordinance would be more appropriate for that and and to lay out everything and that way it um is is [2:22:19, 2:22:37]: would be law. It'd be law. And uh would think that they would have to those individual communities uh have to work it out with the details that developer and those individual communities would have to fund that themselves. I would think that we would not be funding all that for all those individual communities themselves. This is my initial thoughts anyway. Thanks. Yes sir go ahead. [2:22:38, 2:22:43]: Um I I like the direction of that, but I just wanna make sure that we get um [2:22:44, 2:23:01]: information on because that's the difference between installation and sustainability amounts. What is the sustainability amounts? What's the installation and then what's the overall cost for the year? That's what you have to look at because if you got a subdivision, a new subdivision only have thirty ho homes in it. [2:23:01, 2:23:05]: You know, just a small subdivision, we put that stipulation out there. [2:23:05, 2:23:25]: Then what is the overall yearly cost that's gonna be spread out to those homeowners? You know, and s so it you know, it's good to have all the information in. I mean, you we're obviously not gonna make a decision. But now just so we could that's something I wouldn't know. So if you if you tell me we want five cameras in a subdivision, is [2:23:25, 2:23:40]: you do have that latitude, but do you want to legislate down into the type of camera system, et cetera? Because that's gonna be the only way you determine cost, unless you're going to just allow that to be on the HOA that would be putting the cameras in there to meet the specifications. [2:23:40, 2:23:49]: Uh for for instance, uh and I and I talked to Chief about this. Um, for instance, like say for my instant for instance, my subdivision, Winslow's pretty big subdivision. [2:23:50, 2:23:52]: You only need two. That's at both interests. [2:23:53, 2:23:54]: 'Cause they come in, they gotta go out. [2:23:55, 2:24:15]: So you don't so most subdivisions that are coming on board, they usually have only two entrances. They were seven, they have three, but most of they have two inches. So you don't need them throughout the community. You just need them at the entrances to the community. So you want so the legislation that you want drafted would be for cameras at the exit and entrance to the subdivision. That's the right. Yeah. [2:24:15, 2:24:22]: That would be appropriate. Uh talking of cheap, you you made perfectly good sense of that. You know, if you come in, you gotta go out. [2:24:22, 2:24:42]: You know, so Yeah, I would tell you though, I I have a slightly different opinion. I would think that in and out, but also those high traffic areas, so she's amenities area or uh wherever you get a lot of traffic with people, that's where I would think you would want to add them as well. And and of course where I live and where Miss Gansler is a little bigger than Windsor, so we need a little more camera space. [2:24:42, 2:24:50]: Th therefore therefore flight cameras are for identifying what the I think. [2:24:50, 2:24:55]: Yeah, but but I don't think we wanna put that on someone to say, Hey, if you got a clubhouse [2:24:55, 2:25:04]: Hey, you need to put a flock camera in a clubhouse. No, I mean that's what that's what I'm asking. Like the direction you want the ordinance to go in, that's what's gotta be clear. Because if we're gonna do an ordinance as opposed to [2:25:04, 2:25:08]: Letting a department work this out with them. My ordinance has to say that. [2:25:08, 2:25:09]: For every [2:25:09, 2:25:29]: An ordinance has to be specific as to how the camera determination will be made. And so if it's going to be for every 10 houses you have a camera, or if it's going to be entrance or exit, if it's going to be entrance, exit, community, you know, community spaces you have, a camera per community space, if it's, you know, the swimming pool, if it's the clubhouse, if it's [2:25:29, 2:25:35]: Yo, that's what we just have to be clear on so the legislation takes that into effect. So that's that's what I'm saying. [2:25:35, 2:25:42]: That would be direction from you all. Most places that have clubhouses have HOAs. Most places that have pools have HOAs. [2:25:43, 2:25:46]: Right. And so I'm looking at for the city. [2:25:46, 2:25:47]: policem. [2:25:48, 2:25:51]: that we're concerned who's coming in, who's going out. [2:25:51, 2:25:57]: They be the HOA should be concerned on where you see them at inside the community. That's my opinion. [2:25:58, 2:26:18]: Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Um I I think it's it's it's a great discussion, great item. It just appears that we need more uh more discussion and more research and analysis before a decision can be made. I don't I don't from what I'm hearing, I don't think a decision can be made today. Well of course, sir. [2:26:18, 2:26:38]: Yeah, go ahead, please. Well what I would like to do is I don't want us to decide. I want the chief and the department to decide, and I want the professionals to make the decision on what is the recommendation and best practices. I don't think we should be making the decision. And what is the best recommendation? What do the security experts say? Let's lay on them [2:26:38, 2:26:46]: And depend on you all to bring back the recommendation to us on what the best practice is. I think that's the best way to operate this. [2:26:46, 2:26:59]: All right, Ms. Gantt, you had some comments, please. I I did. I have a whole bunch of questions about flock cameras and whether or not we can impose that on the subdivisions and all kind of stuff. So I would like [2:26:59, 2:27:03]: Um more information. I know it's a positive thing. I I would definitely [2:27:04, 2:27:24]: I mean without the flock cameras, I don't think they would have been able to trace the incident that happened not even a month ago. Um but at the same time to impose it on new developments versus telling old subdivisions they have to have them and who's in charge of paying [2:27:23, 2:27:43]: for them, I have a whole bunch of questions. So I think we would have to research that a little bit more. Um putting it in an ordinance, I I don't know. I don't know if we need it in a a code, you know. Um it sounds like something that we would put as a condition to new developments, maybe. [2:27:43, 2:28:03]: um especially um commercial new developments definitely um but I don't know the ins and outs. I don't know what it costs. I don't know, you know, based off of the amount and all that good stuff. So I I definitely want a little bit more details on it, but it's it's a start to to something for us to think about, definitely. [2:28:04, 2:28:04]: All right. [2:28:05, 2:28:11]: Any more comments? If not, there's a motion on the floor. It's been uh uh s uh made and seconded. So all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:28:13, 2:28:23]: Motion. Acceptance of the grant. It's accept yes, acceptance of the grant. Acceptance of the grant. Is it all all can all approved? Okay, so now it's decision. Um congratulations, matter of fact. [2:28:26, 2:28:33]: Unanimous decision. Yes, sir. Then regarding the presentation, do you all it's an unanimous decision. Everybody voted for it. [2:28:35, 2:28:37]: The motion was originally when [2:28:37, 2:28:38]: Wasn't me. [2:28:38, 2:28:39]: I thought you risen and made a motion. [2:28:40, 2:28:42]: I thought I thought I was there, Bruce made emotion. [2:28:44, 2:29:04]: Okay, excited about nine hundred five thousand dollars. Okay. I need a need a motion to to accept okay. Ms. Barber Sagan, all favor please indicate. Yeah, you're right. For the for the council regarding the last um um item that was mentioned, uh that would be a presentation. [2:29:03, 2:29:10]: We would do the research and present that back to you. Is there a a time frame in which you all would like to have us brief back on that information? [2:29:11, 2:29:12]: Okay. [2:29:12, 2:29:14]: Fantastic how soon? [2:29:14, 2:29:17]: Thir would thirty days be good or or do you need more time than that, do you think? [2:29:18, 2:29:19]: I think we can do it in [2:29:20, 2:29:30]: Yeah. Thirty days. So one so we're looking at September's uh eleventh. September eleventh. In Africa probe, September eleventh. All right. In that something. Okay, good deal. Thank you, sir. [2:29:32, 2:29:43]: All right. What would be next uh would be Mr Blount, sir. We added the uh item to the agenda for you for discussion and approval. [2:29:44, 2:29:46]: Yeah, Pastor, this uh [2:29:46, 2:29:57]: item comes to you because uh when we previously looked at honoring uh pastor spence, um he founded Global back in two thousand and six. [2:29:57, 2:30:00]: And since Global came into the city of Stockbridge. [2:30:01, 2:30:05]: uh global impact Christian mini an under his leadership. [2:30:06, 2:30:08]: has supported the city of Stockbridge tremendously. [2:30:09, 2:30:18]: This city's seen more volunteers than they've seen by any entity uh within the city limits and the surrounding areas through Global Impact Christian Ministry. [2:30:19, 2:30:24]: And what Pastor Spence uh encompassed and what he believed in is that [2:30:25, 2:30:45]: When you make your community better, you make people better. When you do what you do to make everything in your life better, uh we all grow. We all grow in a way that uh that we've never seen before. Pastor Spence was uh his untimely death and all that he stood for at Global Impact Christmas. [2:30:45, 2:31:05]: Ministry and all that he stood for, not only in this county, but uh respected uh uh around surrounding counties. Um he was not only uh a great pastor, but he was also, I served with him as his minister, as his armor bearer, and I can also say he was my friend. [2:31:04, 2:31:23]: And the things that Pastor Spencer Global has encompassed and achieved through supporting businesses, supporting the elderly, supporting kids, adopting Smith Barnes Elementary, that's uh around the corner for them, uh, and just doing so much for the community, and they continue to do it. [2:31:23, 2:31:26]: Um the uh baton has been passed to [2:31:26, 2:31:28]: Uh Pastor Colicia O'Neill. [2:31:29, 2:31:32]: And I had a conversation with Pastor Calicia O'Neill. [2:31:33, 2:31:35]: Uh last week, an extensive conversation. [2:31:36, 2:31:52]: And one of the things that have happened with trying to name the street uh Pastor Spencer T. O'Neill Road is that from Tie Street to Rock Quarry is all businesses. From Tide Street to [2:31:52, 2:31:56]: Walt Stevens is nine houses and two of those houses. [2:31:56, 2:31:58]: Um, I think you're abandoned. [2:31:59, 2:32:01]: Or they're not lived in. [2:32:01, 2:32:11]: But it also encompasses a a church, um I think it's a nice monumental. And one of the things that happened the last time that we were talk was talking about it [2:32:12, 2:32:26]: is that people didn't want the businesses didn't want to change their letter heads and this and and you have to under they they didn't want to change the letter heads. Nice monument Mendo said, Hey, this is Red Oak Road, we don't want to change. One of the things that global impact [2:32:27, 2:32:28]: Stands for [2:32:29, 2:32:30]: Is peace. [2:32:31, 2:32:32]: Peace. [2:32:33, 2:32:49]: And one of the things that this global impact would not do is get into an argument or get into any coun conflict or anything controversial that says we it's a conflict to honor Pastor Spence. [2:32:50, 2:33:10]: Spencer T. O'Neill. And so one of the things I talked to her about that I'm bringing to this council today is the same thing I've seen at other areas that have churches that made an impact in their community. And on the on this signage, street signage, there's another sign on top of it saying honorary to whoever that person is. And I'm asking [2:33:09, 2:33:14]: asking for an honorary uh Pastor Spencer T. O'Neill uh road. [2:33:15, 2:33:35]: This doesn't change the name Red Oak. It doesn't change, it doesn't even have the the church doesn't even have to change their letter heads. No one has to change their letter heads. And it becomes a peaceful transition uh for the church, and it becomes a peaceful transition in honoring uh Pastor Spence. Um [2:33:35, 2:33:47]: I think that to do it this way, uh, and talking to her, uh uh talking to Pastor Colishaan doing it this way, um, I think that everyone is at peace with this decision. [2:33:49, 2:33:58]: I second. Okay. Is there further discussion? Discussion? Go right ahead, sir. [2:33:58, 2:34:18]: The issue is certainly the church or uh Pastor Galicia would be okay with it either way, but we certainly can go the extra mile. You know, when they changed the name of Bankhead to Donnelly Parkoil, you know, parkway, Holloway Parkway, there were numerous businesses along the roadway. [2:34:18, 2:34:36]: That's always gonna be the case. But if you truly want to go the extra mile, then you know, it's not there's no written rule that says Red Oak Road cannot be changed. When we change Martin Luther King's senior heritage from North Berry Street, uh to honor the great uh Daddy King. [2:34:36, 2:34:39]: It was certainly appropriate in order to [2:34:39, 2:34:59]: Do what's necessary in order to change the dynamic there. Now, certainly it's up to the council to do uh what is necessary to move forward, but you know, no one's gonna start calling the Red Oak Road uh in honor of Pastor Spence unless the name is changed officially. But of course, that's not up to me. That's up to the group. [2:34:59, 2:35:05]: greater deed uh of the initial council. Of course the businesses are all is gonna be like, well, you know, it's gonna take change. [2:35:06, 2:35:17]: You know, it is change. We talked about changing the names of several some institutions around the city. It's just it's just what it is. When time comes and the change is put on the docket. [2:35:17, 2:35:37]: then we have to consider all elements. I certainly would would uh be satisfied with either way that we go, but at the same time, if you want to go the full way, then you could do you could actually change the physical name of the road and then make it happen. But you know, that's that's not up to me total solely. I like to know what other members think. [2:35:37, 2:35:57]: But you know, it's just not up to me. Any comments from the council? Yeah. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Briefly. I was very instrumental in the naming, the renaming of M. L. King Harris's trail. And um and I do understand um the difficulty in [2:35:57, 2:36:17]: And doing that uh for even for residential and commercial businesses to change their addresses, logo, you know, all of the printing that goes with that. And I understand both sides of this discussion, but I am um and would honor. [2:36:17, 2:36:37]: The desires of the church and of the wife. And I understand, you know, I would love for it to be just write out name Pencil Steel O'Neill, but I'm going to lean toward honoring the church and his widow. [2:36:38, 2:36:40]: Okay, any other comments? [2:36:40, 2:36:44]: Yes sir. Just make a closing comment, uh if you will, Mayor. [2:36:44, 2:36:45]: Correct. [2:36:45, 2:36:50]: One of the things that I when when when this first when pastor Spence passed [2:36:50, 2:36:56]: Um, there's a person named Chris Thorne that came to me. He's past the Spence Armor Barrett at the time. [2:36:57, 2:36:58]: Um [2:36:58, 2:37:08]: And one of the first thing he said that this road needs to be named Pastor Spence. Spen after Pastor Spence. And this while when we did it initially, [2:37:08, 2:37:10]: But I still and I reiterate [2:37:11, 2:37:13]: The church is not a church of conflict. [2:37:13, 2:37:15]: And they're not a church of confusion. [2:37:16, 2:37:18]: And if something happens later down the road. [2:37:19, 2:37:21]: It's still in the city limits of Stockbridge. [2:37:22, 2:37:28]: But right now my discussion with Pastor Kalicia is that she's honored. [2:37:28, 2:37:36]: that the city would even think about even honoring Pastor Spence as an honorary uh Pastor Spencer T O'Neill Road. [2:37:36, 2:37:56]: And so at this point, it cuts down conflict and it cuts down confusion. And that's not what the church needs right now because the church is growing in a positive direction. They're reaching out through the community. And all we, all this church wants to see is where Pastor Spencer left it, that the mantle has been. [2:37:56, 2:38:01]: passed and it's continued to be moved. Pastor Spencer's always said [2:38:01, 2:38:05]: If it's conflict and confusion, look at the decision you're making. [2:38:06, 2:38:07]: He said that to me before. [2:38:08, 2:38:20]: Because wherever there's a lack of understanding, it only breeds two things conflict and confusion. And this is why this move today is being made this way. [2:38:21, 2:38:41]: Okay, any other comments? I have one. Yes, yes, ma'am, go ahead, please. Um as a member of Global Impact, I am honored um that we are doing this for Pastor Spence. I agree with Councilman Blount. Um and we can always revisit sometime down the road if we need to. There are a lot of very active [2:38:41, 2:38:48]: active businesses on that street, um, warehouses and all kinds of things going on over there. Um [2:38:49, 2:39:09]: But I I uh Pastor Spence and I think we all can agree um was so impactful to our community, not just the city of Stockbridge, but Henry County, Clayton County, and surrounding counties. And we can't put, you know, uh a uh [2:39:09, 2:39:15]: to me there's not enough signage that we could put up anywhere, um, in his honor and in his name. [2:39:16, 2:39:24]: But this is a small token of our appreciation in Stockbridge as a thank you to the sacrifices and the things that impacted us here in the city. [2:39:26, 2:39:30]: Okay, if if there's no other comments, uh motion to made and and second. So all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:39:32, 2:39:44]: 'Cause your name is Okay, outstanding. Okay, what's next is uh Mirapal Tim, you wanna bring an item to I do deals with homestead exemption, separate tanks, systems? The floor is yours. [2:39:46, 2:39:52]: Um I just wanted the memo that was provided by legal to be read into the minutes. [2:39:54, 2:39:57]: Okay. Mr. Washington, are you able to [2:40:09, 2:40:11]: So just read the entire thing. [2:40:17, 2:40:21]: I got some Barber, do you want me to just start at the beginning and read the entire thing? Yes, please. Okay. [2:40:48, 2:41:08]: To Stockbridge City Council from Samantha Embry, Associate Attorney, re-homestead exemptions for homes on septic systems in the city of Stockbridge, date August 11, 2023. At the council budget retreat held on August 10th, 2023, Mayor Pro Tem Yolanda Barber requested a written legal opinion on whether the City of Stockbridge can grant homestead exemptions to [2:41:08, 2:41:09]: Homeowners with septic tanks. [2:41:10, 2:41:30]: Part two background. Pursuant to recent legislative actions, the Stockbridge City Council has promulgated a series of homestead exemptions for its constituents. Subsequent to this enactment, the Council has sought legal clarification regarding its authority to confer an additional, distinct exemption specifically tailored to residents whose domiciles are equipped with septic systems. [2:41:30, 2:41:49]: Homestead exemptions are statutory provisions typically established by state or local governing entities. Their primary purpose is to provide tax relief to homeowners regarding their primary residences. By applying these exemptions, the assessed value of the property for taxation purposes is effectively reduced, leading to diminished tax liability for the homeowner. [2:41:50, 2:42:02]: Point three issue The core question at hand is whether the city of Stockbridge has the authority of discretion to grant specific homestead exemptions to homeowners who have septic systems installed on their properties. [2:42:03, 2:42:23]: Section four, intersection of homestead exemptions and septic systems intersection of homestead exemptions and septic systems. Homes with septic systems may garner attention to due to one rural incentives. Jurisdictions might offer tax incentives to homes in rural areas of those lacking centralized wastewater facilities. Point two in [2:42:23, 2:42:43]: Environmental incentives. Some areas might favor environmentally friendly septic tank systems that protect water sources. Three, infrastructure considerations. To relieve burden municipal wastewater infrastructure, septic systems might be incentivized. Four, septic maintenance financial provisions. Some jurisdictions provide financial [2:42:43, 2:42:46]: financial support to homeowners for septic system upkeep. [2:42:46, 2:43:00]: Section four Homestead Exemptions. Georgia offers a variety of exemptions from standard exemptions for to those for senior citizens, disabled veterans, and surviving spouses of service members or public safety officers. They're outlined below. [2:43:01, 2:43:07]: The standard homestead exemption is under OCGA section forty eight dash five dash forty four. [2:43:07, 2:43:22]: Georgia residents' primary residences may qualify for a$2,000 exemption from certain county and school taxes. Exemptions for individuals 65 and older. That's codified under OCGA section 48-5-47. [2:43:23, 2:43:28]: Those sixty five and older can claim a four thousand dollar exemption contingent on income restrictions. [2:43:28, 2:43:44]: Additional exemption for individuals 62 and older for educational purposes is covered under OCGA section 48-5-52. This exemption, subject to income restrictions, offers relief from certain advalorum taxes. [2:43:45, 2:43:51]: The floating inflation proof exemption, which is under OCGA forty eight dash five dash forty seven point one. [2:43:52, 2:43:58]: Individuals sixty two and older can get an exemption based on the homestead increased appraisal value. [2:43:59, 2:44:19]: Disabled veteran or surviving spouse. Veterans with specific disabilities may get an exemption on their homestead up to a certain amount. Surviving spouse of U.S. member, OCGA section forty eight-five dash fifty two point one. Unmarried spouses of service members who died in war or armed conflict are eligible for [2:44:19, 2:44:20]: for an exemption. [2:44:20, 2:44:40]: Surviving spouse of peace officer or firefighter OCGA Section forty eight dash five dash forty eight point four. Spouses of peace officers or firefighters who died in the line of duty are eligible for a full value homestead exemption. Section five. Local municipality homestead exemptions in Georgia. [2:44:40, 2:45:00]: The power of local municipalities to create homestead exemptions is rooted in both the state and state constitution and statutory provisions. While the state sets the baseline for homestead exemptions, granting broad tax relief to homeowners for their primary residences, local governing entities have the discretion to introduce additional exemptions tailored to [2:45:00, 2:45:09]: To their unique needs and circumstances. Such local exemptions often arise from the recognition of specific challenges or priorities within the municipality. [2:45:09, 2:45:12]: be it economic, demographic, or infrastructural. [2:45:12, 2:45:22]: Nevertheless, while local municipalities have this power, any newly proposed homestead exemption must adhere to Georgia's legal framework and often requires ratification through local referenda. [2:45:22, 2:45:26]: ensuring that residents have a voice in decisions that affect their tax liabilities. [2:45:27, 2:45:47]: The general framework for homestead exemptions in Georgia is provided under Title forty eight Revenue and Taxation of the Official Code of Georgia annotated, specifically OCGA Section forty eight dash five dash forty through OCGA section forty eight dash five dash fifty two for the provisions that detail homestead exemptions. [2:45:47, 2:45:47]: [9947.9, 9961.2]: Answer. While Georgia provides various homestead exemptions, the city of Stockbridge has the discretion to establish specific exemptions for homes on septic systems as long as they adhere to state constitutional statutory provision. [2:46:01, 2:46:03]: The sample ordinance offers a framework [2:46:03, 2:46:08]: For such a provision, proper legal review and public input should be sought before any adoption. [2:46:08, 2:46:28]: Sample ordinance City of Stockbridge, Georgia, ordinance number XXXX XX. An ordinance granting a homestead exemption for homes with septic tanks. This is a draft. Whereas the City Council of Stockbridge recognized the unique challenges and benefits homes with septic systems present, now therefore. [2:46:28, 2:46:48]: The city of Stockbridge hereby ordains. Point one, homestead exemption for septic systems. Any primary residence within the city of Stockbridge utilizing a septic system shall be granted a$2,500 exemption from the city property taxes. Point two, homeowners must provide proof of primary residency within Stockbridge, be demonstrated. [2:46:48, 2:46:53]: their home utilize the septic system through appropriate documentation. Three. [2:46:53, 2:47:13]: Application process. Homeowners wishing to claim this exemption must submit an application to the City Tax Commissioner by a specified deadline. There is a caveat to the City Tax Commissioner here in Stockbridge. Point four Duration. This exemption is renewal renewable annually subject to continued eligibility. Effective date. [2:47:13, 2:47:21]: This ordinance shall take effect on an effective date following its passage and approval adopted this blank day of this blank month, this blank year. [2:47:23, 2:47:25]: Good thank you, sir. Appreciate that. Okay. [2:47:25, 2:47:37]: I believe that is that is it for that particular task. Lid you have any further comments? I did. I wanted to know also, um, so with the other tax exemptions, the cafeteria list that [2:47:37, 2:47:41]: Mr. Wall said he was gonna bring back to us. I wanted to know if [2:47:42, 2:47:46]: This particular exemption would also be included in that list. [2:47:46, 2:47:49]: Of cafeteria or is this separate? [2:47:50, 2:47:54]: Is this something separate that the council needs to approve? [2:47:54, 2:47:57]: If the council is going to approve it, then the avoidance of the council will approve it. [2:47:58, 2:48:15]: Will we need to approve an ordinance for the other tax exemptions that we make? Okay. Okay. Well then my next question, I'm sorry. Um when the count during our final [2:48:15, 2:48:16]: Public hearing. [2:48:16, 2:48:18]: to adopt the military aid. [2:48:18, 2:48:20]: We approved and conditioned. [2:48:20, 2:48:21]: To include [2:48:21, 2:48:22]: Tax exemptions. [2:48:23, 2:48:24]: Including [2:48:24, 2:48:25]: The septic. [2:48:25, 2:48:27]: system exemption. [2:48:28, 2:48:32]: Do we now need to also approve this? [2:48:32, 2:48:35]: I can speak with Madam Clark about that. You can have that in notes, Madam Clark. [2:48:43, 2:48:54]: So as I recall, the exemptions um that you just referenced, uh, Mayor Pro Tem Barber, was included in the motion. Thank you. [2:48:57, 2:49:05]: We okay. So is you you you assume that so I guess we need to ver verify that with with the official document I would imagine. [2:49:06, 2:49:26]: Mayor. We haven't even established the things that we're going to do. No, what it was supposed to be the information was supposed to be brought back. Okay, all right. Then we gotta wait for the information to come back then. Mayor, if I may. So with the in regards to the exemptions here, it basically answered stating because at the time of the hearing, at the at the time [2:49:26, 2:49:31]: [10171.4, 10186.1]: r already listed for septic and that is not true. What we're what this thing what this memo says is we can come up with whatever kind of exemptions we want. So I don't want anyone to get confused and think that [2:49:46, 2:49:50]: the first when it came up, like, oh yeah, there like there's a [2:49:51, 2:49:54]: actual septic exemption, there's no such thing. [2:49:54, 2:49:58]: I'm not against it, but I think we're supposed to get [2:49:59, 2:50:07]: a a lot of different information and we determine right what type of exemptions we want. Right. So this [2:50:08, 2:50:11]: I d I don't understand. I mean we had already established [2:50:11, 2:50:12]: That [2:50:12, 2:50:31]: We have a right to determine what we want to exempt. This says the s exact same thing we have been saying, but there's no law that says septic gets an exemption. Not that I'm against it. I'm saying there's no law that says that. So this is reading what we already discussed. That's all. [2:50:31, 2:50:32]: All right. [2:50:32, 2:50:41]: I just wanted to if I may please I just wanted to just for the record when we were discussing the millage rate [2:50:41, 2:50:41]: Um [2:50:41, 2:50:46]: I said that I would not approve um the millage without conditions. [2:50:46, 2:50:50]: To include tax exemptions, including [2:50:50, 2:50:51]: The exemption [2:50:51, 2:50:53]: For septic taints. So [2:50:54, 2:50:57]: As long as when Mr Walls or [2:50:57, 2:51:04]: Commissioner Harris, whoever is gonna bring us back the list of exemptions, as long as they also include [2:51:04, 2:51:08]: the exemption for accepting, then we should just be f we should be fine. [2:51:09, 2:51:10]: All right. [2:51:10, 2:51:14]: Thank you. I guess if there's no other c uh questions we'll move on to uh [2:51:15, 2:51:17]: announcements and upcoming meeting and events. [2:51:17, 2:51:37]: Council meetings will be held in the city council chambers. Meeting dates and location and times of subject change. Please visit the city website, www.starbridgega.org. City's Facebook page or contact city hall offices at 770-389-7900 for meeting updates. Downtown Development Authority meeting is third. [2:51:37, 2:51:57]: Third Tuesday of each month to welcome Center 130 Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail, which is August 15th. U Council Advisory Committee meeting 6:30 p.m. third Tuesday of each month. The Levi Meeting Room in City Hall August 15th. Planning Commission meeting at 6:30 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers fourth Thursday. [2:51:57, 2:52:17]: Of each month, August 24th. City Council work session meeting last Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, August 29th. Main Street Advisory Board meeting second Friday of each month. Welcome center located 1:30 Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail, 9 a.m. September 8th. City Council meeting second Monday. [2:52:17, 2:52:37]: Of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chamber, September 11th. U Council meeting, 6:30 p.m. second Monday of each month, City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, City Hall, September 11th. Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, September 12th. The Planning Commission meeting 6 30 [2:52:37, 2:52:57]: p.m city hall council chambers fourth Thursday of each month September 28th and join us for the Food Truck Tasty Tuesday 5:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. at Clark Community Park, 111 Davis Road, lots of great food activities for everyone. The last Food Truck Tasty Tuesday event of the 2023 season is August 29th. [2:52:57, 2:53:17]: Join Councilman Thomas for Don't Trash Stockbridge Initiative centered around educational highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping. More information to follow. Councilman Thomas is honoring veterans with continued salute to all year long. Please send the pictures of veterans with their name, branch, rank, years of service to R. [2:53:17, 2:53:27]: Rawls at City of Stockbridge dash G A dot G O V. Join Councilman Blount for Bingo Bass Wednesday, August 16th from 10 a.m. to 12 noon. [2:53:27, 2:53:47]: Romanor Scott Center located 111 Davis Road. And join me, Mayor Ford, to meet the mayor Monday, August 28th from 10 a.m. to noon. Please contact Ross and Rawls to schedule an appointment at 678-833-3348 or email R Rawls R R A D. [2:53:47, 2:54:07]: Also on sponsoring event on August 23rd, which is Wednesday at Merman's Conference Center, 10 a.m. to noon, which is the educational interactive workshop for seniors and veterans. So come veterans and seniors to get uh educated on Medicare planning and options. [2:54:07, 2:54:27]: And good health care information and advice. Also, I'm also sponsoring an event on August 26th, which is a Saturday, Merrill Man's Conference Center called a Coalition of One. This do it deals with Military and Veteran Expo. It's a free event. Both events are actually free. Also, Merle Manders Conference Center, that's on the 26th of August, 10 a.m. [2:54:27, 2:54:47]: To 4 p.m. and discussing veteran issues, concerns, and needs, caregiver programs, types of aids and assistance, burial benefits, and estate planning. Okay. Coalition on one August 26th as well. And my initial comments would be fact that uh obviously, oh my back up forward, here we go. Get your tickets for upcoming 20. [2:54:47, 2:55:05]: 2023 concert ser concert series by visiting stockbridge uhp.com or visit our ticket office located 4650 North Heming Boulevard Thursday to Saturday, 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. That is our will call ticket area, Thursday to Saturday from 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. [2:55:05, 2:55:07]: And um [2:55:07, 2:55:11]: My initial comments are that that we had a wonderful, outstanding concert this past Saturday. [2:55:12, 2:55:32]: With Patty LaBelle in Vogue, and believe it or not, Stockbridge and Patty LaBelle was on located. We were featured in uh People magazine because of the outstanding concert. And it says Stockbridge Ampitheater, Stockbridge, Georgia. So I mean, what a way to go. Patty brings it once again. So that was fantastic. And on that note, this [2:55:32, 2:55:40]: Saturday we have Tower of Power and Ohio players. So uh I'm pretty sure the ticket's still available. Come on, let's have to have a sold-out show. [2:55:40, 2:56:00]: This Saturday, eight o'clock Tower Power and Ohio players. And once again, folks, you gotta be healthy and uh so you eat right, right? Take your vitamins and get your COVID shot, your vaccinations, and and uh we want you to live a long life. And on that note, uh believe it or not, council, uh we actually have uh as [2:56:00, 2:56:20]: Zackle session. You're going to Zach Session, we have some real estate issues that Mr. Lawnston wants to uh talk to us about. So far. I also want to announce I have a uh business expo. Um partnered with uh my sorority, Psy Alpha Mega, Alpha Kappa Alpha. It's gonna be on October 1st at Merrill Manders. It's a business expo. So uh look be on the look. [2:56:20, 2:56:26]: look out for emails including with the vendors in f for vendor um information. [2:56:26, 2:56:29]: All right. So I need a motion to go into the stable session, please. [2:56:29, 2:56:33]: So moved I I move that we go into an executive session for real estate issues. [2:56:33, 2:56:34]: Okay, is there a second? [2:56:36, 2:56:38]: Okay, and all fair please indicate. [2:56:39, 2:56:42]: Okay, we'll we'll we'll be back, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. [2:56:55, 2:56:55]: Yeah. [2:57:02, 2:57:22]: All right, Council, I need a motion to end the executor session, please. So move. Is there a second? Miss Barber, second down from Alexander. Miss Barber, all in favor, please indicate. All right. Now council, we have nothing to report from the second session, so I need a motion to end our city council meeting. So move. Okay. Okay, Miss uh Mr. from Gantt. [2:57:22, 2:57:28]: to uh Mr. Alexander Onfair, please indicate. Our meetings adjourned. God bless you all. Thank you. Thank you. [2:57:31, 2:57:31]: Yeah.

--- title: Planning Commission date: 2023-07-27 source: 2023-07-27_Planning_Commission.wav --- [0:11:32, 0:11:35]: Saw the emails with the packages and everything. [0:11:41, 0:11:42]: Hello, is that better? [0:11:47, 0:11:51]: Sorry you didn't get that m uh uh that email and that package but uh she said [0:11:57, 0:11:59]: Yeah, I know. It's it's happened before. [0:12:06, 0:12:15]: Okay. Uh hopefully um Mr Thibodeau said he was gonna try to make it so got to hold till six forty five. So if he makes it then we'll have it if not. [0:12:27, 0:12:30]: What's your what's your email? Uh I if you got time to give me your email address. [0:12:33, 0:12:34]: A S K I [0:12:51, 0:12:51]: Global. [0:13:13, 0:13:15]: Yeah, she sent the email out. [0:13:17, 0:13:19]: Maybe she's misspelling your name when she's [0:13:30, 0:13:32]: [815.3, 817.0]: [0:13:54, 0:14:13]: Yeah, we're gon we're gonna try and wait um till six uh wait a few more minutes, Mr. Tibodeau says he's on his way because these gentlemen have have been waiting a long time to get their plat hurt. So we wanna be a little patient, if you don't mind, uh, to give them an opportunity to present their plat. Um so but if he's not here about um [0:14:15, 0:14:17]: Six fifty we might have to [0:14:18, 0:14:25]: to just move it to n to another time, but hopefully he'll be here. He said he'll be here in about ten minutes and that was about [0:14:28, 0:14:31]: Five minutes ago, so we'll wait till six fifty. [0:14:32, 0:14:34]: May I ask a question, please? Yes, sir. [0:14:36, 0:14:41]: How many members have to be appraised of in order for it to constitute a core? [0:14:41, 0:14:51]: We don't have six injuries. We only have five inches. Yeah, but that's it. [0:15:06, 0:15:08]: Gotta vote on the minutes and all that. [0:15:09, 0:15:10]: But one thing [0:15:11, 0:15:17]: One thing we can do is let uh the new planning commissioner um introduce himself. We can do that. [0:15:17, 0:15:18]: If you don't mind. [0:15:27, 0:15:28]: Oh, can you introduce yourself? [0:15:42, 0:15:48]: I've been asked to introduce myself. So my name is Anthony Mitten. I've been a resident in Henry County for 30 years. [0:15:48, 0:15:51]: I live about a mile and a half up the road off Valley Hill Road. [0:15:51, 0:15:53]: My wife and I built our home. [0:15:53, 0:16:13]: We've been married 33 years and have three kids. Everything seems to come in threes. Um we were only recently annexed into the city, but where we live, we always have felt that we've been a part of the community. Uh always expressed an interest in uh the growth of Henry County, watched, I'm sorry, Stockbridge, watched it transform several times. [0:16:13, 0:16:30]: Um so when I learned that this position was opened up, I saw an opportunity to come work with this committee, work with the uh planning staff, other members of the uh the city to make sure that we have a uh continued but responsible growth. [0:16:30, 0:16:35]: the city Stockbridge. Excited? Look forward to working with everyone. Thank you. [0:16:39, 0:16:42]: Mr. Thibodeau is here, so he'll be up the stairs shortly. [0:18:17, 0:18:21]: Might n may might need to wait to do that next next uh [0:18:25, 0:18:27]: Mr Planty, y uh you you're gonna [0:18:28, 0:18:30]: Fill in for the chairperson tonight. [0:18:35, 0:18:37]: Oh no, they can hear me on that. [0:19:32, 0:19:37]: It is now six forty five. I would like to call the meeting to order, please. [0:19:41, 0:19:44]: Mr. Tibidau, would you please do the invocation? [0:19:58, 0:20:05]: Uh, how about everybody? How do you have the Father through Jesus Christ, bless everybody here, give us guidance and the wisdom to go forward. [0:20:08, 0:20:10]: That'll stand for the plate. [0:20:14, 0:20:26]: Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands under one nation, under God, liberty and justice law. [0:20:33, 0:20:36]: Mr. Secretary, may I have the roll call, please? [0:20:39, 0:20:41]: As Askey Abdullah. [0:20:45, 0:20:46]: Stanley Doomis. Present. [0:20:48, 0:20:49]: Harold, Double. [0:20:49, 0:20:50]: Present. [0:20:51, 0:20:52]: David Planchon? [0:20:55, 0:20:56]: And Anthony Mitzen. [0:20:58, 0:20:59]: Jeremy, we have a call. [0:20:59, 0:21:00]: Thank you. [0:21:01, 0:21:07]: I need a motion, please, for the adoption of the agenda that you have before you. [0:21:14, 0:21:18]: I'd like to make a motion that the council approve tonight's agenda. [0:21:20, 0:21:21]: And I'm Harold, I'll second it. [0:21:22, 0:21:32]: It's been moved improperly second that we adopt the agenda. All in favor, let it be known by the sound of aye. Aye. Any opposed? [0:21:33, 0:21:36]: Dad have it, the ad agenda is adopted. [0:21:40, 0:21:41]: Next we'll have [0:21:42, 0:21:47]: Approval of the minutes from the May twenty fifth meeting. [0:21:48, 0:21:59]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchon. Unless anybody in the public wants us to read the minutes from our last meeting, I would proceed to s approve the minutes that have been submitted. [0:22:02, 0:22:04]: I do have one [0:22:06, 0:22:15]: I'd hate hate to call it a correction because it's not inaccurate, but item number twelve. [0:22:18, 0:22:23]: From the last meeting it's dealing with the Valley Hill Road property. [0:22:26, 0:22:28]: Under [0:22:32, 0:22:33]: Board actions. [0:22:43, 0:22:45]: No, that's not the way I'm going. [0:22:45, 0:22:46]: Well. [0:22:49, 0:23:08]: The board action it states on item number twelve that the board voted to approve the rezon, I'm sorry, the rezoning, and that's a true statement, but I would like the records to reflect, Mr. Secretary, that the there was one opposition vote. [0:23:09, 0:23:11]: It was not unanimous as implied. [0:23:15, 0:23:17]: And that opposition was yours truly. [0:23:23, 0:23:25]: N I'm talking about the rezoning, sir. [0:23:29, 0:23:32]: Item number thirteen, the variance. [0:23:32, 0:23:33]: Same thing. [0:23:34, 0:23:35]: On board actions. [0:23:36, 0:23:37]: There was one opposition. [0:23:39, 0:23:40]: And that was yours truly. [0:23:48, 0:23:52]: I agree and so noted, it can be adjusted. [0:23:55, 0:23:59]: Unless someone else has some adjustments to the minutes, I'll need a second. [0:24:01, 0:24:03]: It's Harold. I'll second it. [0:24:05, 0:24:15]: It's been moved and properly second that we approve the minutes of the May 25th meeting with the necessary corrections. [0:24:16, 0:24:18]: All in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. [0:24:18, 0:24:19]: How do you? [0:24:20, 0:24:21]: Yeah, polls. [0:24:25, 0:24:29]: The eyes have it. The minutes have been approved with the corrections. [0:24:33, 0:24:37]: It's this time I'd like to welcome the new planning commission member. [0:24:38, 0:24:39]: Mr. Anthony Mitten. [0:24:41, 0:24:46]: We welcome you. We you've already made a statement previously. I won't bore you with doing that again. [0:24:49, 0:24:55]: Welcome to the board. Made some comments, but thank you. Glad to be here. Look forward to working with this uh committee. Absolutely. [0:24:59, 0:25:04]: Next item on the agenda is the election of vice chairman. [0:25:05, 0:25:20]: As you know, uh our previous vice chairwoman, Ms. Kathleen Nelson, is no longer on the board and we need to elect a new vice chair per bylaws to finish out the remainder of her term. [0:25:22, 0:25:25]: And this this time I would entertain [0:25:26, 0:25:29]: Any recommendations from s this board? [0:25:31, 0:25:37]: Well, we can always have the newcomer get involved or Mr Placid over there. Don't I I don't [0:25:38, 0:25:39]: Oh even you also. [0:25:40, 0:25:44]: I've had my turn, so I think the three of you should have that opportunity. [0:25:49, 0:25:50]: Are you making a nomination, sir? [0:25:52, 0:25:57]: I'll make the nomination in reference to who would like to uh participate as as the vice chair. [0:26:01, 0:26:04]: I'm open for suggestions from all three of you. Uh [0:26:04, 0:26:06]: Mr. Placid, would you like that position? [0:26:07, 0:26:08]: I'm just going to do that. [0:26:09, 0:26:11]: Mr Midden, would you like that position also? [0:26:12, 0:26:13]: No comments, thank you. [0:26:16, 0:26:19]: So I think it would be between you and Mr. Placid, right? [0:26:21, 0:26:22]: That would be correct. [0:26:23, 0:26:26]: Well, I'll nominate you, Mr. Dilmas for [0:26:26, 0:26:30]: I'll nominate you, Mr. Doomas, for that uh vice chair's position then. [0:26:31, 0:26:33]: Are there any other nominations? [0:26:38, 0:26:50]: For the name Stanley Dumas has been nominated for Vice Chair for the remainder of Miss Nelson's term. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Aye. [0:26:50, 0:26:52]: Are you going to be able to do that? Who seconded it? [0:26:55, 0:27:03]: You made the motion. I made the motion, so I can't second it. So I have to have somebody to second you're correct on that. Oh I'll I'll second it. [0:27:04, 0:27:14]: It's been moved and second that Stanley Dumas be nominated e elected for vice chair for the remainder of Ms. Nelson's term. All in favor, let it be known by the sign of I. [0:27:15, 0:27:16]: Uh any opposed? [0:27:18, 0:27:21]: The eyes have it, so be it. [0:27:24, 0:27:30]: Next item is the Bri Bush Creek Commons Town Home Final Plant approval. [0:27:31, 0:27:33]: Mr. Linton, please. [0:29:10, 0:29:20]: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh my name is Lord Lincent from the City of Stockbridge, and I'm here to present the uh presentation for Brush Bridge Comitado. [0:29:21, 0:29:26]: Is your mic on? Turn your microphone on. On the left, if it'll light a light up. Yeah. [0:29:28, 0:29:32]: I'm here to present for the uh Brush Creek Com Commons Town Homes. [0:29:36, 0:29:42]: Uh this is the zoning this is the zoning map of the property. Um that's right here, which is shown here. [0:29:45, 0:29:48]: Um this is the aerial photo of the site. [0:29:53, 0:30:13]: Um the introduction is to uh consider the prepare the final townhome plat for the Brush Creek Commons um uh to be constructed on Bruscreek Court at Shield Rose. The property contains fifteen point nine eight nine five acres, including five point nine acres of floodplain and wetlands, and a total of forty-one townhomes. [0:30:13, 0:30:33]: Homes will be built. The applicant is Mr. Fatimi of Pivotal Enterprises. And we the zoning history, it was rezoned on July 4, 2003, from R2 to RM2. They had also had a development agreement with two amendments. [0:30:33, 0:30:50]: Which included uh various development conditions, and they also recently had a zoning modification case, which was approved by the Planning Commission meeting on October 27th and approved by Mayor Council on September 14th. [0:30:51, 0:30:51]: Oh why I said. [0:30:55, 0:31:15]: Uh the zoning history continues. They incl the changes that were made, which included a clubhouse, pavilion, gazebo, the monument sign, the walking trail, extra parking spaces to serve the amenities, and reduce the number of playgrounds from two to one by having a combined playground rather than a separate tot lot and [0:31:15, 0:31:31]: and playground for older children, provide a gym and workout space, provide grills and benches next to the clubhouse with the fireplace, and extend the sidewalk to interconnect the uh neighborhood commercial spaces, and also to provide a sidewalk stub house for future connectivity to the neighboring lots. [0:31:34, 0:31:36]: Uh this is the boundary survey. [0:31:37, 0:31:38]: Is it Shawn here? [0:31:41, 0:31:45]: Um this is the boundary survey along with the s water and sewer lines. [0:31:47, 0:31:48]: Storm sewers. [0:31:49, 0:31:57]: This was the approved plat from the development plans uh from January twenty fifth, twenty twenty five. I mean two thousand five. [0:32:01, 0:32:05]: This is the enlargement of the amenity area from the approved two thousand five plat. [0:32:09, 0:32:12]: This is the elev elevations of the proposed development. [0:32:16, 0:32:36]: And as stated ear earlier, they would keep the following um the clubhouse, the pavilion, the gazebo, and the monument sign, and re remove the following the soccer field, the volleyball court, walking trail, extra parking spaces to serve the amenities to be removed, uh three wooden bridges over Brus Creek, the Putting Greed and a Berg Century. [0:32:36, 0:32:56]: And they would change the number of playgrounds from two to one by having a combined playground rather than a separate top lot. And they would provide a follow-in, which is a gym, provide grills and benches next to the clubhouse, and extend the sidewalk to interconnect the neighborhood, develop commercial spaces, and provide a sidewalk stophouse for future. [0:32:56, 0:32:58]: future interconnectivity to the neighboring lots. [0:33:00, 0:33:05]: And this is the proposed of many changes, which is shown on the screen. [0:33:07, 0:33:12]: This is the proposed side plan, um, that was last year, November seventh. [0:33:17, 0:33:20]: And this is the proposed uh administrative notes. [0:33:21, 0:33:21]: Yeah. [0:33:24, 0:33:25]: Yeah. [0:33:26, 0:33:33]: This is the proposed final time plat. Um this is br this is information about the uh plat itself. [0:33:40, 0:33:44]: And this is the cover page for the final town home, the plat. [0:33:49, 0:33:51]: These are other pages at the pl. [0:34:07, 0:34:27]: The next step, so these are the um re the reviews of the final plat. It was reviewed by planning and zoning to ensure that all required conditions of the zoning modification 2022-01 have been met. It was also reviewed by the engineering staff to ensure that all the technical environmental requirements are acceptable. [0:34:27, 0:34:47]: The uh needed actions. The applicant seeks the Planning and Planning Commission approval of the proposed townhome plat. And upon approval, staff would also ask the chairman to come into the planning and zoning office to sign a hard copy of the final plat. The applicant would then submit a copy of the assigned final plat to the Henry. [0:34:46, 0:34:57]: County Superior Court's office for official recording. The applicant will also will submit a copy of the stamp recorded plat along with his permit application. [0:34:58, 0:34:59]: And that's it. [0:35:01, 0:35:01]: Thank you. [0:35:05, 0:35:10]: Does the staff um I'm sorry, does the applicant have anything to add? [0:35:11, 0:35:18]: What's already been said? Okay. Any questions from the staff? Uh [0:35:19, 0:35:21]: Excuse me. Uh [0:35:22, 0:35:25]: How much interaction from the community that uh [0:35:26, 0:35:35]: Did you engage or or do we have anybody here from the community that has concerns about it? Those are the things that we need to bring up in this meeting. [0:35:37, 0:35:41]: They have they went to several public areas in the city. [0:35:41, 0:35:42]: Before. [0:35:44, 0:35:50]: There were like several different meetings they had to attend. So the public had input on it, had the opportunity to provide to provide input. [0:35:52, 0:36:02]: Uh the only concern I have is uh we don't have anything as far as what the public is concerned about. I haven't seen any information. It was approved by city council. [0:36:03, 0:36:20]: Okay, so if it's been approved by the city council then we're putting a rubber stamp on it. This is yeah, this is a rubber stamp of formality. Okay. All right. But but they have gone through the public hearing process. So th it's been vetted by the public and by staff and outside consultants. [0:36:23, 0:36:23]: Thank you. [0:36:25, 0:36:37]: Any further comments from staff? I have a couple of questions. Yes, sir. What is the anticipated selling price of these town homes once they get developed? And I know that's looking forward into the future, but it's [0:36:43, 0:36:54]: Hey, uh my name is Iman Fatimi. Uh I actually live here in Stockbridge. Turn your mic on, please. And this is my dad. Oh sorry. My name is Iman Fatimi. I actually live here in Stockbridge. Turned it on. [0:36:55, 0:36:56]: Hello? [0:36:57, 0:37:17]: Hey, uh my name is Iman Fatami. Uh I live off of TI Street and um uh we've been working on this. Proposed selling price would be something like uh starting uh just under 350, maybe uh depending on some upgrades. [0:37:17, 0:37:23]: 350, 360. Uh you have any comments? So [0:37:24, 0:37:32]: Three forty, three sixty, maybe three seventy five. We have to see how the things go. [0:37:32, 0:37:32]: Yeah. [0:37:33, 0:37:53]: We're gonna have to see what the market is, but uh plan is to upgrade, put a lot of bells and whistles within the house itself or uh make an upgraded uh townhomes. We are pushing over to four hundred, maybe low four hundred if the market allows. [0:37:54, 0:38:02]: Are you planning on having an HOA as part of this development? Yes, sir, we have HOA on uh we're working on it to finish it. [0:38:04, 0:38:07]: No it's part of the uh agreement. [0:38:07, 0:38:07]: Fine. [0:38:09, 0:38:21]: I have a question to ask. Are you planning on having any gated community uh to keep out unwanted guests or it's gonna just be in and out? Uh how are we gonna establish that? [0:38:22, 0:38:41]: Uh per zoning we have uh no plans of putting any gates. Uh no sir. There's no plan for it. Yeah, the it's uh the street is to be handed over, the main street to the city, and I believe there would be some concern about emergency access, but um there is no plan for a gate. [0:38:44, 0:38:46]: Uh the HOA uh [0:38:47, 0:39:07]: You're gonna have any particular requirements uh to try to make sure that these townhomes don't end up being a place for uh crime? Do we have any anything in that area that you guys are thinking about to make sure in the in that they don't go down and it's just uh [0:39:07, 0:39:18]: the area where we're gonna have crime. That's just something I'm thinking about in reference to townhome. I'm not saying it's gonna be that way, but I'm just holding the conversation to be proactive instead of reactive. [0:39:19, 0:39:19]: Uh [0:39:20, 0:39:40]: Well, the price point that we're selling, we assume that we're gonna have families over there and that by itself survive having any kind of crime issues. But the on the other hand, we will uh uh ask the homeowners to install [0:39:40, 0:39:51]: security systems. We probably already have security system at the subdivision with multiple uh cameras that uh 24-7 being monitored. [0:39:52, 0:39:53]: All right, thank you. [0:39:53, 0:39:54]: Yeah. [0:39:56, 0:39:57]: I have another question. [0:39:58, 0:40:07]: How much area of this development is going to be considered green space that is gonna have to be maintained regularly by the HOA, just roughly? [0:40:08, 0:40:28]: The green space is just uh uh almost six acres of these wetlands and uh uh flat plains and the balance remains as natural and which we are gonna have uh fourteen hundred linear feet of uh trail going right through it. [0:40:28, 0:40:37]: Uh for walking purposes, exercises. So most most majority of it's gonna stay pretty much as a natural. [0:40:37, 0:40:57]: Okay. And maintaining that is gonna be part of the HOA process, the dues, et cetera. Take down the dead trees and dangerous limbs and stuff, but um as far as [0:40:57, 0:41:05]: Because um uh uh it's it's mostly gonna be forested for the most part, the property. [0:41:06, 0:41:13]: Okay, and these are scheduled to be uh single family units, correct? [0:41:13, 0:41:15]: The town homes, yes. Okay. [0:41:16, 0:41:36]: Um right now Henry County, uh I'm just making a statement, just something to watch out for, is under siege by big corporations from the count that around the country to buy up property here that they then turn around and lease out. Um is this something you're looking forward to more selling to the individual owners or [0:41:36, 0:41:36]: Or [0:41:37, 0:41:57]: Yes, that's our plan. Um uh to your knowledge, we just finished Austin Park with eighty two single family homes, hundred percent of it sold to the public, nothing but for rental in that subdivision. And I'm sure you guys have been there and it's it's an outstanding [0:41:57, 0:41:57]: community right now. [0:41:58, 0:42:18]: Okay, yeah, we have experiences with big property owners out of Texas, Minnesota. They really don't care what the property looks like down in Georgia, so it's always a battle to try to keep them maintained and updated and painted and you know the work that goes into it. That's not our plan. We are planning to sell to individuals, to the community. Okay. Very good. [0:42:18, 0:42:28]: Uh i if anything we would r rent ourselves in order to fill one or two units, but not to sell to rent. [0:42:29, 0:42:39]: But uh the hope is to sell everything if markets cooperate and uh all to individual owners just like Austin Park. Okay. [0:42:40, 0:42:41]: Very good. [0:42:43, 0:42:45]: Any more questions from the Planning Commission? [0:42:47, 0:42:49]: Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. [0:42:50, 0:42:59]: Mr. Anderson, just for clarity, this is not required to open up for public hearing, right? No, it's not a public hearing. Thank you very much. [0:43:00, 0:43:02]: Nobody here objectioning, right? [0:43:02, 0:43:07]: I need a motion to accept the final plant approval. [0:43:10, 0:43:13]: I'll present a motion that we accept the final planning. [0:43:17, 0:43:19]: I will second that if I heard it correctly. [0:43:20, 0:43:30]: It's been moved and second that we accept the final townhome plat for Brush Creek Town, Commons Town Home. [0:43:31, 0:43:41]: All in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. The plan is approved. Thank you. [0:43:44, 0:43:46]: Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. All right. [0:43:49, 0:44:02]: Next item is project updates, Mr. Anderson. Staff, we don't we don't have any updates. Okay. Any staff comments? No, we don't have any comments either. [0:44:03, 0:44:05]: In a boo comments. [0:44:08, 0:44:10]: Again, Mr Minon, w welcome. [0:44:11, 0:44:12]: Looking forward to working with you. [0:44:14, 0:44:16]: I need a motion to adjourn, please. [0:44:19, 0:44:22]: I'd like to pr present a motion that we'll join the meeting. [0:44:23, 0:44:34]: I will second that. It's been moved and properly seconded that the meeting be adjourned at this time. All in favor, that be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? [0:44:36, 0:44:38]: Guys have it, the meeting of the journal. [0:44:41, 0:44:46]: Rejustment. I mean it's prejustment. [0:44:47, 0:44:51]: Yeah, you're gonna call me on

--- title: Public Hearing 3 for Millage Rate date: 2023-07-27 source: 2023-07-27_Public_Hearing_3_for_Millage_Rate.wav --- [0:06:58, 0:07:01]: All right, Council, uh we have nine oh three, so we need to get started with the meeting, please. [0:07:24, 0:07:24]: Yeah. [0:07:30, 0:07:31]: More than more than [0:07:33, 0:07:47]: All right, good morning everybody. I have uh nine oh four and I'd like to call this special call meeting dealing with the millage rate increase uh to order. Invocation this uh morning be given by Councilman Alexander. Please stand. [0:07:49, 0:08:09]: If everyone would bow their heads, please. I call on you, Lord, to watch over this City of Stockbridge meeting and our community on a daily basis, making sure that this council is exercising wisdom, judgment, and using your guidance and covering to make sure that we're always acting in the best interest. [0:08:09, 0:08:29]: of our citizens. You have been so good to us, Lord. You have been so kind. You have guided us and navigated us through some troubled waters. All we see is prosperity in our future. And we ask that you bless this city and every action that we take that will lead us in the way that you would have us go. All the glory to God. Amen. [0:08:29, 0:08:31]: Amen. [0:08:31, 0:08:45]: Pledge allegiance here. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic of which stands on a nation, under God, invisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:08:46, 0:08:47]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:08:53, 0:09:00]: Mayor Ford. Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Blount. [0:09:02, 0:09:06]: Let the record reflect Councilman Blount is not in attendance. Councilwoman Gantt. [0:09:06, 0:09:08]: Present. Councilman Thomas. [0:09:09, 0:09:18]: Mayor Ford, do you have a corner? Thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate that. Council, I need a uh motion to adopt the agenda, please. So moved. I'll say it. Okay from Ms. Gantt to Mr. Alzheimer's. All in favor, please indicate. [0:09:18, 0:09:31]: Unanimous decision. Thank you very much. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, this is a public council, this is a public meeting. Proposed millage rate property tax increase. And we have a presentation once again uh by Mr. Gardner, our city manager. Sir, please. [0:09:34, 0:09:35]: Morning to you. [0:10:34, 0:10:44]: Just um uh made this known that uh our financial advisor, uh Mr. Walls in the audience as well, and of course our tax commissioner, Mr. Michael Harris, has joined us once again. [0:11:07, 0:11:24]: Ms. Garner, is your mic on, sir? Sorry. There you go. Of a public meeting, sorry. Of a public meeting, uh public hearing and then vote um to set a millet rate um for FY twenty four um for the city of Stockbridge. Uh so today we're gonna talk a little bit about the growth of the city. [0:11:24, 0:11:44]: um some of the impacts of that growth um as relates to public works police, um, which are two key departments in the city. Um the impacts that we see on our proposed um FY twenty four budget and then talk a little bit about the millet rate and how that millet rate applies to different homes at different values throughout the city. [0:11:47, 0:11:57]: So when we talk about the growth of the city of of Stockbridge, um in nineteen ninety the city was just a little under four thousand people. [0:11:57, 0:12:01]: By the twenty ten cent twenty two thousand census we were at eleven thousand people. [0:12:02, 0:12:05]: By twenty ten census we were twenty five thousand six hundred [0:12:06, 0:12:06]: People. [0:12:07, 0:12:09]: And by twenty twenty, twenty nine thousand. [0:12:10, 0:12:16]: Um and it was estimated at us being twenty nine thousand one hundred and sixty three in two thousand twenty one. [0:12:16, 0:12:19]: But as we know, in November there was a referendum on the ballot. [0:12:20, 0:12:26]: for annexation of a lot of the um unincorporated islands and in other areas around the city of Stockbridge. [0:12:26, 0:12:28]: that was approved by the voters in November. [0:12:29, 0:12:35]: took effect January one and the city looked at seeing another sixty seven hundred plus people. [0:12:35, 0:12:39]: added to the city, which would have put our population just under thirty six thousand people. [0:12:44, 0:12:53]: Right. And so when we talk about the impacts you and how that how you can rationalize the size of sixty seven hundred new residents coming into your city. [0:12:53, 0:12:57]: You're looking at almost two thirds the size of the city of of Hampton. [0:12:58, 0:13:01]: coming into the city of Stockbridge uh in January one. [0:13:02, 0:13:13]: Also taking to consideration that we have about nineteen hundred units at that time that were approved and going through some process, a development review process or under construction in the city. [0:13:13, 0:13:30]: And if you roughly do the math with the household size per the census, that would equal up to about fifty five hundred people, additional on top of the sixty seven hundred people we added. That'll come over time obviously, but that would bring our population somewhere around forty one, forty two thousand people. [0:13:30, 0:13:33]: Somewhere between now and the next census period, which will be in twenty thirty. [0:13:39, 0:13:47]: So with the annexation came some realities for us. We annex in about ninety-one miles of road and about forty-three miles of new sidewalks. [0:13:48, 0:13:55]: Right, with deannexation. And as we know, some of those roads were part of our older communities, and so those roads are in need of different peer. [0:13:56, 0:14:02]: And we've been getting the calls obviously, um, since those properties, those new areas have come into the city. [0:14:02, 0:14:10]: So what that includes us having to now take management of our storm water, culverage, drains pipes, storm pipes, uh street sweeping, litter pickup. [0:14:11, 0:14:13]: as it relates to public work services. [0:14:14, 0:14:18]: Also included in that is resurfacing and repaving of certain roads. [0:14:18, 0:14:19]: Right away maintenance. [0:14:20, 0:14:22]: And obviously the restriping of those new roles is the [0:14:23, 0:14:24]: Become repaved. [0:14:26, 0:14:30]: We're also gonna have to look at making traffic improvements with new signalization. [0:14:31, 0:14:35]: And obviously improving sidewalks, installing sidewalks and sidewalk maintenance. [0:14:35, 0:14:36]: In some of these areas as well. [0:14:39, 0:14:41]: Talk a little bit about the police department. [0:14:43, 0:14:46]: So when our police department was formed July one [0:14:46, 0:14:56]: twenty twenty two, we brought on fifty two offices to serve the city, um, at the current population at that time, but twenty nine thousand people. [0:14:56, 0:15:09]: Um we've since received a federal grant that gave us uh an additional ten offices, but obviously as part of that grant over the next three years we will have to take on the majority of those salaries and benefits. Um [0:15:10, 0:15:11]: As part of that program. [0:15:11, 0:15:13]: But that gave us an initial shot in the hall. [0:15:14, 0:15:20]: But during that time, our police chief has calculated out that we've seen an increase in our call. [0:15:20, 0:15:36]: Um, that would project us doing somewhere around thirty eight hundred calls. And we kinda know why. Um as people see more police, they tend to call more. And as we get out there and they get into the community, we advise folks if you see something, say something. Uh and so they get we get the calls. [0:15:38, 0:15:44]: So our police chief did a comparison, um, some of our jurisdictions around and in the chart you see the population. [0:15:45, 0:15:56]: And then you see number of officers, um, their call for service, um citizen to police ratio, uh their current millage rate, and their police annual budget. [0:16:00, 0:16:05]: And our budget, as you can tell, is present for the police is presented at right around eight point two. [0:16:06, 0:16:07]: Uh million. [0:16:07, 0:16:17]: which is considerably less than the other communities, um that are adjacent to us. Not that we would want to get to that size. A lot of them run a lot of different operations than we do at this time. [0:16:18, 0:16:18]: Um [0:16:19, 0:16:21]: And so that's hence the reason why. [0:16:25, 0:16:26]: Roger at a glance. [0:16:27, 0:16:38]: So what we did was we got started a little earlier this year, um, with the understanding that, you know, we we're gonna be having to look at um a billing list rate. And so working with the staff [0:16:38, 0:16:58]: Uh we were able to go through and we're still evaluating the budget as I mentioned. Um going through making sure we can, you know, get it as low as possible. Um and then when we meet with you guys in um in two weeks, we'll go through it again, um more in depth again with with the council. But we had projected uh uh expenses in [0:16:58, 0:17:00]: [1020.9, 1026.6]: with a revenue of nineteen point five that give us a shortfall of right around six mi six point eight million. [0:17:07, 0:17:07]: Right. [0:17:08, 0:17:10]: And we know that number's gonna adjust a little bit as we go through. [0:17:10, 0:17:12]: the budget process. [0:17:13, 0:17:21]: So, with that, we look at the options of what we can do in terms of a military. Currently, everyone that's in the city. [0:17:22, 0:17:28]: Um and the folks to be brought in unincorporated pay a one point nine oh four millage [0:17:28, 0:17:29]: For [0:17:29, 0:17:31]: police district under Henry County. [0:17:32, 0:17:33]: All right. [0:17:33, 0:17:35]: If we go to that number. [0:17:35, 0:17:38]: And just keep it the same you're looking at. [0:17:39, 0:17:45]: Uh a revenue a shortfall of about three point three, three point four million. [0:17:45, 0:17:48]: As compared to the numbers we just explained to you. [0:17:48, 0:17:52]: uh two mils uh three point seven seven mils. [0:17:53, 0:17:57]: That gives us a shortfall of just under fifty four thousand for seven hundred. [0:17:58, 0:17:58]: Right. [0:17:59, 0:18:01]: at four mils. [0:18:02, 0:18:08]: You have um revenue exceeds expenses by about forty f just under four thousand five hundred. [0:18:09, 0:18:10]: At four point [0:18:11, 0:18:12]: two one five mils. [0:18:13, 0:18:18]: You're looking at eight hundred and thirty eight dollars, hundred thousand eight hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars. [0:18:18, 0:18:20]: uh revenue to expenses. [0:18:21, 0:18:25]: And at six meals, which was advertised, but is not being recommended. [0:18:25, 0:18:26]: You would see [0:18:27, 0:18:28]: A four million. [0:18:29, 0:18:30]: Revenue to expense. [0:18:34, 0:18:44]: And I'm gonna let Ed come and talk a little bit about um where we've been going with our fund balance as we we've gone over the years in the last year and a half with our police department and other departments. All right, great. [0:18:45, 0:18:51]: Welcome, Mr. Walls. Thank you. Hello, Mayor. Thank you very much, boss. I'm um getting to the right page here. [0:18:56, 0:18:57]: Yeah we go. [0:18:58, 0:19:06]: So um if you look at the beginning fund balance in two thousand nineteen, you can see it was eighteen point seven million. [0:19:06, 0:19:11]: We added a little bit to fund balance in twenty nineteen and we wound up at nineteen million two forty. [0:19:11, 0:19:13]: That was twenty six months of reserves. [0:19:14, 0:19:15]: And um [0:19:15, 0:19:16]: Like uh [0:19:16, 0:19:35]: Uh, Mr. Gardner talked about this be our third time telling y'all, so I might not go all down into the weeds as much as I have been. So nineteen million, we spent a little bit of fund balance in twenty twenty and we dropped it to seventeen million. In twenty-one, it dropped to sixteen million, and in twenty two it dropped to twelve million. [0:19:35, 0:19:37]: Now it's eight months of reserves. So y'all [0:19:38, 0:19:45]: get the theme that we're trying to get across here is we can't keep spending fund balance. And so that's why we're now talking about a property tax. [0:19:46, 0:19:47]: Next page. [0:19:51, 0:19:57]: What I have to run the machine too. So here's the property tax analysis that we'd done. [0:19:58, 0:20:02]: And y'all see across the page are the various options that we as staff have submitted to y'all. [0:20:03, 0:20:23]: One point nine oh four mills is what uh Henry County levies for their police force. You are providing police. So if you don't levy that one point nine oh four mills, your citizens are getting that much of a break. So in other words, to say it you can levy one point nine oh four mills and your citizens won't know any different. [0:20:23, 0:20:43]: It's a even up, uh break even. Um you can see that um we had done uh various numbers for options three point seven seven mils. You can see there the total taxes on your tax digest is six point seven million. Your tax digest is one point eight billion dollars. That's the [0:20:43, 0:20:50]: The 40% value of all the property inside the city limits. So every one mil raises about$1.8 million. [0:20:51, 0:20:55]: You can see four point two one five mils is seven million six fifty four. [0:20:56, 0:20:59]: We advertised at six mils, and the reason we did that [0:20:59, 0:21:08]: You can approve anything less than what you advertise, but you can't go above that. So we advertise six so we can give you room to choose all these options. [0:21:09, 0:21:15]: Uh down at the bottom you can see the various millage rates of the cities in Henry County and Henry County. [0:21:15, 0:21:35]: McDonald's at three mills. Remember they have very profitable uh enterprise funds that they make transfers to their general fund, which you don't you don't have that. Hampton has four point five mils. Like you, Hampton had not had a property tax since nineteen seventy seven. Last year was their first property tax since seventy seven. [0:21:35, 0:21:53]: This will be your first one since 1977. The reason that you all didn't have a property tax, the Georgia voters approved a local option sales tax in nineteen seventy-eight, a constitutional amendment, and you all have been operating the city on revenues mainly from local option sales tax since then. [0:21:53, 0:21:56]: And you can see Henry County's at ten point five, one one MLs. [0:21:57, 0:22:06]: The school board in Henry County is twenty mils for maintenance and operations and three point seven mils for a bond. So b so the school is about twenty three point seven. [0:22:07, 0:22:08]: Next page. [0:22:12, 0:22:13]: Hit that button right there. [0:22:15, 0:22:27]: So um you wanna do that, boss? Okay. So this is a typical house. Um you can see is a hundred thousand dollars. Uh that is the hundred percent fair market value. [0:22:27, 0:22:33]: So each citizen gets a tax bill from the tax assessors, they get a notice each each year. [0:22:33, 0:22:38]: And um that that hundred per hundred thousand is the hundred percent fair market value. [0:22:39, 0:22:46]: Then for tax purposes you multiply it times forty percent to get an assessed value and then you levy your millage rate against that forty percent value. [0:22:47, 0:22:52]: So one point nine oh four mils is seventy six dollars a year or six dollars a month. [0:22:53, 0:22:58]: Um increase of two point three oh nine mils would be ninety two dollars a month. [0:22:58, 0:23:02]: So at four point two one five it would be a hundred and sixty eight. [0:23:02, 0:23:05]: dollars a year and fourteen dollars a month. [0:23:06, 0:23:07]: This is the difference. [0:23:08, 0:23:17]: Right. And so the four point two five minus the one point nine oh four is two point three oh nine mils. That's the actual increase of just approved. [0:23:17, 0:23:21]: So that's the increase over what they've already been paying to the county. [0:23:23, 0:23:23]: Um [0:23:25, 0:23:26]: I'll go to the next slide. [0:23:27, 0:23:28]: Um [0:23:29, 0:23:43]: Here is um$275,000 house and then a$375,000 house. Just so you can see the distribution um by government entities here, the uh water authority is at two mils. [0:23:44, 0:23:45]: You can see that's um [0:23:46, 0:23:59]: five percent. You can see uh the city at four point two mils would be eleven point five percent of the total tax burden. The counties at twenty six percent and the and the schools is fifty nine percent. [0:24:01, 0:24:15]: Uh funding distribution for your budget. You can see public safety is thirty two percent, general government is thirty-one percent, public works is twenty one percent and debt services sixteen percent. [0:24:17, 0:24:21]: Mayor, that's it for the okay for our presentation for the public hearing. [0:24:22, 0:24:36]: I appreciate that. Um it is a public we've got Mr. Harris here just to give a um overview of the actual process um as it relates to the setting of the millet rate and how that process works. All right, fine. Mr. Harris, welcome once again. [0:24:41, 0:25:01]: Morning, Mayor. Good morning, Council. Mike's right there, sir. Good morning, Mayor. Good morning, Council. Good morning to you, sir. Good to be back again. Um, just real brief. I'm just kind of gonna go through a little bit of the process, make sure everybody has a clear understanding of what happens following this meeting. Today actually represents the third of three required public hearings. Um either way, whatever happens at this point. [0:25:01, 0:25:21]: the city, whether they choose to adopt the millage or not adopt the millage, the next step in our process would be we're waiting for the board of commissioners to finalize their millage and that happens next week, Tuesday, after which time we'll begin the process of taking that on to the to the state for review and moving forward in that in that process. [0:25:21, 0:25:41]: Um a couple things I did want to touch on real quick, and actually Mr. Wall and Mr. Gardner already touched on a few of those things. Just quickly, what a millage rate represents. That's 1,000, represents the amount of homeowner pays, has to pay for every 1,000 of a property's assessed value. Assessed value includes both the structure, the house itself, as well as land. [0:25:42, 0:25:58]: Um property values are made up of fair market value. That's what the assessor's office goes through and they do their annual assessments every year, make determination what the fair market value is. The assessed value is quite simply 40% of that number. [0:25:58, 0:26:17]: Um people often ask um what happens, you know, how is that calculated? It's uh again a simple equation, it's simply your assessed value minus any exemptions that you may want to con consider times your tax rate, in this case your millage rate, what yield your tax amount. Um [0:26:18, 0:26:38]: In the case of what's been happening right now, typically, you know, all citizens that have a homestead would be subject to the uh minimum an L1 exemption, which is a automatic$15,000 off their assessed value. So that helps to reduce their amount somewhat. Uh that can increase over time, certainly. [0:26:38, 0:26:58]: Because Henry County is a county that adopted a frozen provision on their exemptions, which simply stated the year in which you apply for your homestead, that previous year's value becomes your base year. Any value beyond that county taxes is frozen. [0:26:58, 0:27:11]: slide there earlier indicating that the county tax portion is by 10.7, 10.25. So that portion would be frozen for as long as you continue to own the home, just on the county portion. [0:27:12, 0:27:32]: Um that I can tell you the impact of that number for countywide is upwards of thirty-two million dollars. I mean that's the type that that's the amount of the savings that county residents have been able to um utilize over the course because of that one simple provision. Also on the school board side, there are exemptions that [0:27:32, 0:27:52]: Apply beginning at age 62. You have a$20,000 reduction on your assessed value. At age 65, that goes to$80,000. At age 68, that's$120,000 deducted from your assessed value. And then at age 70, you no longer pay any school taxes. After going through that equation, again, once you subtract your exam. [0:27:52, 0:28:06]: exemptions from your assessed value, what you're given is a taxable value. And again, that's what number I always tell people that that's what you want to look at, principally as it applies to frozen,'cause you want to make sure that taxable value number is staying consistent and the same throughout the course of um every year. [0:28:10, 0:28:30]: The digest process itself, it involves a number of a numerous different entities. It starts with the assessor's office. They go through the process annually of going through and assessing all the property within the county. Again, that's real, personal, motor vehicles, utilities, heavy equipment, and the like. They compile that information and then they turn it over to our office and then Lynn Carter. [0:28:30, 0:28:41]: Cardi and her team are here in the back today as well. Um, they compile that information, they begin the process of perfecting the digest, going back through running the numbers, running the um calculations that are required. [0:28:42, 0:29:02]: Um and then from there we work with all the other different tax and entities. The Board of Education, obviously they have their 12 mills for maintenance and operations and 3.628 for their bond. The Board of Commissioners were considering um considering right now. Right now they've had two public hearings. Right now they're considering to keep their millage on over. [0:29:02, 0:29:22]: Overall countywide, unincorporated at twelve point seven three three, and then all the cities. Um the cities of Hampton, McDonough have finalized and adopted the millage this year. City of Locust Grove is not once again adopting the millers this year. So right now, um all eyes are on stock breaks or the finalization of your [0:29:22, 0:29:23]: Of your Miller's decision. [0:29:24, 0:29:38]: Once all that information is gathered and compiled, um again, then the additional work begins of going back through and reviewing the information and preparing to submit it to the state. All that information has to be provided to the State Department of Revenue. [0:29:38, 0:29:46]: Um upon their review, they'll issue an issue uh statement saying that the jurisdiction is not authorized to collect taxes. [0:29:47, 0:30:07]: As I stated previously, we were kind of backwards from a deadline perspective. By state law, we have to have bills out, have to be received in hand prior, at least 60 days prior to the actual due date. Our due date is November 16th. So therefore, bills have to be in hand by September, September 16th. So every year we strive to make sure bills are go out. [0:30:06, 0:30:11]: I know later than September first and we've always met that deadline. [0:30:12, 0:30:32]: So right now we're in the process of, you know, even though we're still in the month of July, we still have some very strict strict guidelines and deadlines that we have to make sure we maintain. Principally we have to have, you know, typically we have ever all our adoptions completed by the end of July, first of August, and we anticipate that happening with the August 1st adoption. [0:30:32, 0:30:44]: adoption from the county. From there we go through and we have to prepare our information to submit to the state. That takes a few days. Once it's once we receive approval from them, which anticipate that first week of August, then we have to submit it to our [0:30:44, 0:31:04]: um printers and they have to go through the process of starting to do draft bills and we have to send, take those bills and start reviewing them. Again, that's something that Lynn and her staff they have to uh diligently go through and spend days going through and making sure that everything has calculated accurately. That takes about a week, week and a half. So right now we're looking at a August [0:31:04, 0:31:14]: twenty second, twenty-third time frame to have bills go out and again gives a little about a week buffer to make sure we go up prior to that September September first date. [0:31:16, 0:31:36]: Um people have asked, you know, if there is a millage adopted by the city of Stockbridge, what would it look like? How would I find it? Where would it be re reflected on my tax bill? It would be very similar to the current tax bill that um City of Stockbridge residents currently see. Right now they have a line item that includes their sanitation charge as well. [0:31:36, 0:31:42]: Well as your storm water fee, there'd be a third line item that simply says city tax and it'll be reflected in that line item. [0:31:43, 0:32:03]: Um one thing I did want to bring up, you know, like to try and you know, we we talk about the g doom and gloom so often. It's nice to be able to bring some decent good news every now and then. This year the governor and the legislature adopted they had a uh a windfall of total of about nine hundred and thirty million dollars. So together the governor and the legislature [0:32:03, 0:32:04]: [1925.0, 1932.6]: feed that money, fuel feel that money back into the economy by um offering a homestead tax relief grant program. [0:32:13, 0:32:33]: Um and so what that what that looks like is it's eighteen thousand dollar assessment reduction on everyone's eighteen thousand dollar reduction on everyone's assessment. Um so running the numbers it equates to a ballpark around um five hundred dollars for every um every citizen at least. It's gonna vary a little bit differently depending on it. [0:32:33, 0:32:53]: to again if the city opts to um adopt a millage rate then that would also be eligible for that reduction amount as well. So that's something we're excited about. So um in the midst of everything else, it's just letting people know that they should anticipate seeing a it'll be reflected as an HTRG with simply stands for homestead. [0:32:53, 0:33:05]: tax relief grant on the on the line item on their tax bill. And again, we anticipate that being on the lines of about$500. It will not be a separate check mailed out. It will simply be reflected as a credit on their tax bill. [0:33:06, 0:33:07]: Um [0:33:10, 0:33:30]: And there are some provisions with that. I just want to make sure people understand that it's not for it is only for those who already currently have an eligible homestead. So if you do not yet have a homestead, and again all the advantages that come with having a homestead um you know bear out onto himself, but this year it's a little bit extra, um, an additional um advantage. [0:33:30, 0:33:42]: advantage in that you'll be eligible for the homestead process uh for this homestead grant. Rental properties, commercial properties, those do not apply either, but it has to be a um an approved homestead in place already. So [0:33:43, 0:34:03]: Mayor, with that, that concludes my information. I'd be happy to address any questions that you or the council may have. Well, thank you, Ms. Harris, for being here and for a presentation once again. This is a public hearing. Uh so I'm it's only my simple assumption that uh since we've been this is the third time we've done this, there's probably a very limited amount of questions, if any, from the council uh in this aspect. But uh [0:34:03, 0:34:23]: Uh mayor. All right. Yeah, yes, Ms. Walt. They need to approve a millagerate today in order to for you to prepare the tax bill. That's correct. If if uh millagerate, if you if you opt to not or want to defer making a decision, what that happens is we'll have to go back to the process. You'd have to go back through the process. [0:34:23, 0:34:25]: [2065.4, 2085.4]: For a hearing and that takes a minimum of eight days, which would put us up against our deadline. So I don't know there'd be enough time for us to be able to to actually get you on this year's bill absent making a decision today. So Mr. Alexander, go ahead, please. Yes, thank you so much, Mr. Harris. You are a top tier professional, let me tell you that. Okay. [0:34:45, 0:35:05]: I I I say that with all honesty. I don't give out plastic strokes. When people do a good job, they do a great job. I was at your county presentation uh yeah or Tuesday and you did they you did something uh with a graphic that really indicated how effective [0:35:05, 0:35:24]: That frozen exemption was. Because when you look at your tax bill each year, the homeowner, such as myself, I bought my house in 2004. The taxes are frozen at the 2004 level. Right. And every time the housing value goes up. [0:35:24, 0:35:26]: You adjust the exemption up. [0:35:27, 0:35:33]: in order to reduce the taxes so the taxes the county portion of the taxes don't go up. [0:35:34, 0:35:54]: So that was something that I thought was very key. Talk about that for a second because again, folks don't understand that the school board is 60% of what we have going on here. But that one exemption, it it does actually help the taxpayer by every year. You adjust their, you give them more of an exemption. [0:35:54, 0:35:57]: Exemption to offset the property, county property tax. [0:35:58, 0:36:01]: And and and I'll go through the ex I'll go through the example, but again [0:36:01, 0:36:03]: As I noted earlier, that [0:36:03, 0:36:06]: That's that's savings to the residents. [0:36:07, 0:36:10]: Іквас баб три мільйон долар і тот. [0:36:11, 0:36:22]: that amount of just from the frozen provision. Um so what we're saying quite simply is again, as I said earlier, what you always want to look at on your tax bill is the taxable value. That's the rate, that's the number that you're being taxed on. [0:36:23, 0:36:26]: That's the value you're being taxed on. It's not the fair market value. [0:36:26, 0:36:27]: Um [0:36:27, 0:36:34]: And and also not necessarily the assessed value, because assessed value is simply forty percent of your fair market value, but after you begin [0:36:34, 0:36:38]: deducting all of your exemptions, that gives you your taxable value. [0:36:39, 0:36:41]: In the case of if you have homestead [0:36:42, 0:37:02]: Um, whatever your base year is frozen at again, the example I always give is um typically if you purchase your home in the year 2010 and it was valued at$200,000, and now fast forward to 2023 and your home is now valued at$300,000, you are still being taxed on your county taxes. [0:37:02, 0:37:08]: Again, unincorporated county, that'd be twelve point seven three three three three three three three mils. Here in Stockbridge, it'd be ten point two five mils. [0:37:09, 0:37:14]: that ten point two five mils would only be uh multiplied times the [0:37:14, 0:37:21]: back to the two hundred thousand dollar value or that assessed value, um eighty thousand dollars of that assessed value. [0:37:21, 0:37:40]: And the way that's accomplished is simply in order to retain that same taxable value, you have to increase your your exemption amount in order to offset the increase in the in the fair market value. So you're right. I mean, I and that's what I tell people all the time, look at your taxable value year over year. If you have homestead in place. [0:37:40, 0:37:56]: That taxable value for county taxes, again only for county taxes, should should be consistent. Um and to to your point, you're right, with the school board, the taxable value will increase incrementally in proportion to whatever the fair market value increase was. [0:37:57, 0:38:17]: Absolutely. I I thought that was very key because in in in that aspect, the county, let me give them a kudos because they really do give you an additional exemption every year to offset your property state. Now they are incr asking for an increase too uh as well, but really the big increase is coming from the school board. [0:38:17, 0:38:37]: At$44 million tax increase this particular year. So now, and I want to kind of keep this short. On the tax bill that they the assessment that they received earlier this year, if everything is static, okay, they would be looking at a$500 reduction based on. [0:38:37, 0:38:57]: On the credit that they're going to receive. If everything remains static, in debt, whatever they receive. Of course, we're looking at a military, but if everything remains static, they would be looking at about a five hundred dollar decrease in the assessment that they sought that they received earlier this year, plus uh any [0:38:57, 0:39:17]: Additional, let's say on the example that you gave on the house, maybe an additional hundred dollar tax for the city. So basically, it would be like a a four hundred dollar deduction of the city. If they were paying a hundred dollar city tax, they got five hundred off of that assessment. Basically, they would be looking at a four hundred dollar reduction off of their [0:39:16, 0:39:21]: bill on average uh that they r that the assessment that they received earlier this year. [0:39:22, 0:39:42]: That's correct. The homestead tax relief grant that I spoke about a moment ago, that was not reflected on the assessment. Um because when they again they put their assessments together back in when the notices went out in April and May, the state, quite frankly, was still trying to figure out the the the details behind the grant how it's going to be administered and governed. Um they only adopted [0:39:41, 0:40:01]: Adopted it in March of this year. So again, they spent a lot of the spring trying to figure out the details behind it. So at the time the assessment notices went out, it was not included on the assessment notices. So you will see that number should differ. The number of the estimate that was given by the assessor's office during your assessment should differ by, again, an additional negative$500. [0:40:01, 0:40:05]: dollars um to make up for the homestead tech relief grant. [0:40:05, 0:40:25]: And my final question is, because I know the seniors often watch and they might not somebody may not have gotten the message off the last two hearings. When a senior turn age seventy, then they're fully exempted based on uh the school board tax. For example, my school board tax is twenty eight hundred dollars this year. [0:40:25, 0:40:32]: They would not have to pay that at age seventy and at age sixty two it starts to go down in levels, right? [0:40:32, 0:40:52]: That's correct. Again, it's based on your age on January first. So if you turn seventy on December twenty eighth, you're good for that next tax year. You turn seventy on January third, you gotta wait one more full year for it to be able to utilize that that particular um exemption. But you're right. I mean it s when you're seventy on at uh on January first. [0:40:52, 0:40:55]: Then you're no longer paying school taxes. [0:40:55, 0:40:57]: Thank you. Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [0:40:59, 0:40:59]: Ahí ya está. [0:41:01, 0:41:06]: Thank you, Mr Commissioner Harris. I have a couple of questions actually for you. [0:41:06, 0:41:07]: Um [0:41:07, 0:41:09]: For homestead exemption. [0:41:09, 0:41:11]: Yeah. [0:41:11, 0:41:12]: The county. [0:41:12, 0:41:14]: Are we able to also have [0:41:14, 0:41:17]: Homestead exemption for city as well. [0:41:18, 0:41:30]: It's certainly an option that the city can consider. Um I think you're looking at it let's do it certainly something that could be a bit appropriate. I will consider if I approve a new tax, we will need a homestead exemption. [0:41:31, 0:41:31]: For CD. [0:41:32, 0:41:34]: Thank you for confirming that. [0:41:34, 0:41:34]: Okay. [0:41:34, 0:41:48]: Councilwoman, um City of Hampton voters have on their November ballot six different homestead exemptions for them to approve. And so right now the school board has some, the county has some. [0:41:48, 0:41:57]: The process for you to give it to your residents is staff will bring you various homestead exemptions, uh like a cafeteria choice for you to pick. [0:41:57, 0:41:59]: How much you each would cost you. [0:41:59, 0:42:06]: And then you would go to the legislature next year, Senator Emmanuel Jones most likely would carry the le legislation. [0:42:06, 0:42:12]: And the governor would sign it and it'd be on the ballot November of twenty four for your citizens to approve it. [0:42:14, 0:42:34]: And uh that is something to do. Thank you, sir. Yes, and to you, Councilman Alexander Hampton's asking for that frozen exemption like the county has in November. They're doing that. And then one easy thing if you do the math, every resident pretty much pays about thirty mills in Henry County, you know, the school board, the county, sch uh, water authority. [0:42:34, 0:42:38]: So eighteen thousand times that millage rate is the five hundred dollars. [0:42:39, 0:42:40]: That's what they're saving. [0:42:42, 0:42:43]: Thank you, sir. [0:42:43, 0:42:47]: Thank you for confirming that as well. Um I'd like to see [0:42:48, 0:42:48]: Um [0:42:49, 0:42:51]: options for a homestead exemption. [0:42:51, 0:42:55]: One specifically for those homeowners who are on septic. [0:42:57, 0:42:58]: Um I know that [0:42:59, 0:43:00]: If we have any. [0:43:00, 0:43:06]: I know the tax commissioner's office would be able to identify those homeowners. [0:43:07, 0:43:11]: That's one. The other one is um to consider those [0:43:11, 0:43:14]: Homeowners who are sixty two years and older. [0:43:16, 0:43:19]: For homestead exemption for our city tax. [0:43:20, 0:43:20]: Yes, ma'am. [0:43:23, 0:43:25]: Um so if [0:43:25, 0:43:27]: The council so inclines to adopt is [0:43:27, 0:43:29]: A millage today. [0:43:30, 0:43:33]: Those are conditions that I will [0:43:34, 0:43:36]: approve and support. Um [0:43:36, 0:43:40]: My following questions are for Mr. Gardner. [0:43:43, 0:43:47]: According to the slide with the proposed funding distribution. [0:43:48, 0:43:49]: By city functions. [0:43:50, 0:43:51]: I know that [0:43:51, 0:43:52]: Thirty [0:43:52, 0:43:55]: Two percent is for public safety. [0:43:55, 0:43:57]: А і полі сервиси. [0:43:57, 0:44:00]: But the next is thirty one percent. [0:44:00, 0:44:02]: At general government services. [0:44:03, 0:44:05]: We haven't talked about that. We've emphasized. [0:44:06, 0:44:09]: Police services and they provided. [0:44:09, 0:44:09]: Um [0:44:10, 0:44:14]: A good description of what these tax dollars will be used for. [0:44:14, 0:44:15]: I don't have [0:44:15, 0:44:18]: details um in regards to [0:44:19, 0:44:21]: What these tax dollars will be used for. [0:44:22, 0:44:23]: for general government. [0:44:24, 0:44:26]: I know we mentioned about infrastructure improvements. [0:44:27, 0:44:28]: Which that is twenty one percent. [0:44:29, 0:44:32]: Can you provide me more information? [0:44:32, 0:44:34]: So your general government is your [0:44:35, 0:44:43]: Administrative um city clerk, city manager, finance, code business of code enforcement, um [0:44:43, 0:44:45]: Community development. [0:44:45, 0:44:46]: Uh [0:44:47, 0:45:00]: Economic development. Um, that's the administrative arm of the city. And that's that's typically does portion and some of the portions of of your cost is covered through your lost. [0:45:01, 0:45:05]: Right. And in term industry local option sales tax. Um [0:45:05, 0:45:12]: When you look at your budget for a clarity, Mr. Gardner, what I want to know is with this new tax. [0:45:13, 0:45:13]: Mm-hmm. [0:45:14, 0:45:34]: What would it be covering for the general the the when we it'll cover it'll be general fund related because it only could go towards general funds. So your water sewer, those those are separate. So when you think of your budget back in twenty eighteen, um [0:45:34, 0:45:47]: When you add your police costs and the increase that you've seen over this period of time between then and now, the majority of your costs has come through your public works department, increases in your public works department because in twenty twenty. [0:45:48, 0:46:07]: The city signed a new SDS agreement, service delivery strategy, and we took over a bunch of roads that you can only fund at that time through either your your LMEG, through your SPLOS, T Splus, with most of your T Splus. And then what happened on top of that was when we annexed in. [0:46:08, 0:46:10]: We brought in an additional ninety one miles of road. [0:46:11, 0:46:19]: Uh those are infrastructure. Those correct under public works. Sorry. I'm speaking specifically in regards to [0:46:19, 0:46:39]: The operations. Right. Yeah. The departments that cover under your general government are the administrative costs, your economic development, your finance, your code enforcement. Um technically your police is covered. Well, we took their percentage out, but the rest of that is [0:46:39, 0:46:51]: is pretty much your economic development, your code enforcement, community development. Judicial. Um yes, your courts. Sorry about that. Your court course. [0:46:51, 0:46:55]: What in addition, what other services? [0:46:55, 0:47:05]: With this new tax cover. We're covering all of that right now. We foresee this cost covering mostly what we're seeing your growth in your police department recognized prior to twenty twenty one. [0:47:06, 0:47:08]: Your you had no police cars. [0:47:09, 0:47:17]: So most of your cost was covered by a true loss and your permit fees and those type of things. Your police department is now projected at$8.2 million. [0:47:18, 0:47:38]: Right. So if you take where you was in twenty twenty one and add that money to it, that's what you're seeing. We've seen some growth in our lost. So we project that in there as well. So that's why you see the deficit that we put that we see is at six point seven rather than the actual eight point twos, because some of that eight point two is [0:47:38, 0:47:58]: Is actually being covered through your increase in your loss, but you still have that 6.7, right? The majority of that is a police department that you that that the city added in 2021, in 2022. But you it also incorporates costs that that the public works department is seeing to now upkeep the roads because this [0:47:58, 0:48:00]: one key thing we have to remember. [0:48:01, 0:48:06]: When you adopted T Splos and to some degree SPLOS, especially as it relates to Rhodes, [0:48:07, 0:48:14]: None of those roads that came in to through the annexation were on any of those lists, whether it were county or city. [0:48:14, 0:48:18]: For whatever reason, the county didn't cover some of those roads. [0:48:18, 0:48:38]: But now we're car covering some of those roads. And you've mentioned to us and we're gonna be evaluating Valley Hill Road. I drove the road the other day and took pictures. And that road, yes, if we leave that road for another two, three, another year or two, it'll be just as bad as Walt Stevens or Mount Zion. So there are cracks in the pavements. That's not the only road, but that's just keen in. [0:48:38, 0:48:43]: So part of what we're doing is doing an assessment so we know that that cost is gonna come to us. [0:48:44, 0:48:50]: Right. So part of this is not just about the f but the past, it's also about how do we cover these costs in the future. [0:48:50, 0:48:56]: Moving forward because we know these things are gonna come to us. Sidewalk repairs, they're gonna come to us. [0:48:57, 0:48:58]: Right. We know that's happening. [0:48:58, 0:49:04]: So part of what we're trying to do is look not just look today, but we're also trying to look ahead in light of the fact that [0:49:04, 0:49:08]: You've got ninety one new miles of road, about forty three miles sidewalks. [0:49:09, 0:49:15]: We've already been getting the calls, as you've been getting the calls too, and the council have been getting the calls. How do we start to make [0:49:15, 0:49:19]: prepare to do those works in the future and have a revenue source to be able to do that. [0:49:20, 0:49:23]: Can and Council Woman Barber, if I could just add to that answer. [0:49:24, 0:49:25]: In twenty one [0:49:25, 0:49:30]: The general fund budget, all those line items he was talking about was about [0:49:30, 0:49:31]: ten point five million. [0:49:32, 0:49:35]: In two thousand twenty two it was eighteen million. [0:49:37, 0:49:42]: The biggest increase in that was four million dollars, four point five million dollars for public safety. [0:49:43, 0:49:48]: So we spent four million dollars of fund balance in twenty twenty two. [0:49:48, 0:49:51]: And so we're wanting to replace that loss [0:49:52, 0:49:59]: Yeah, the one point five million in debt service for the um bonds that we sold. And we're wanting to replace [0:50:00, 0:50:06]: funding that budget, all of'em, not just one particular thing. And I think if I pick can get your question, you're saying [0:50:06, 0:50:10]: This property tax so much will go to this, so much will go to that. [0:50:11, 0:50:31]: All of it goes into one bucket, local options sales tax, property tax, business license fees, all of it goes in that bucket. Well last year in T December thirty one, twenty twenty two, we had to take four million dollars out of savings in order to pay all of those expenses. And what we're asking you as staff is to levy a property tax because we can't keep [0:50:30, 0:50:33]: Does that make sense? [0:50:34, 0:50:40]: No, it would make sense if we would have had a mid year budget review. So I can see actually [0:50:40, 0:50:41]: Where we are. [0:50:42, 0:50:45]: Um but thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Yes, ma'am. Um [0:50:45, 0:50:48]: Mr. Gartner, you mentioned during this presentation [0:50:49, 0:50:50]: The amount of units that are shown [0:50:51, 0:50:55]: approved by the council of nineteen hundred units. Yes. [0:50:55, 0:50:59]: Is that based does that include all of the new developments that were [0:51:00, 0:51:00]: Approved. [0:51:01, 0:51:02]: Including this year. [0:51:03, 0:51:11]: That includes some that was approved this year. It does not include the new development that was approved at thirteen hundred homes on Flippin' Road. [0:51:12, 0:51:13]: That was not included. [0:51:13, 0:51:15]: So that number's actually higher. [0:51:15, 0:51:21]: Um I think it includes, if I remember correctly in speaking the bracket, as of June [0:51:22, 0:51:25]: May, June of this year, that's the number they factored in. [0:51:26, 0:51:40]: Um, in terms of the number of development that's been approved, some of that's under under review. Some of it is still just sitting out there, but at some point you know it's gonna come to us. The developers are gonna start pulling permits at some point. So [0:51:41, 0:51:58]: I foresee this coming to us steady. Um if you think about um and and we've got a couple of annexations that are coming in, I will tell you that those will probably start construction as soon as they come in, um, based on the developer's conversation with us. So those are not included as well. [0:51:58, 0:51:59]: Um [0:52:00, 0:52:10]: So if you think over the next three to five years, by the time we get to the next to the twenty thirty census, you'll start you'll probably see somewhere [0:52:11, 0:52:13]: On average, probably about [0:52:13, 0:52:18]: Forty to fifty five percent of those developments either done built or under construction. [0:52:18, 0:52:21]: Or it might be higher than that because [0:52:21, 0:52:32]: Um, if you see what's going on in the county right now, as soon as the county approved a development, these guys are out there cutting trees, moving dirt. Um, so that's pretty much what you gonna see here in the city. [0:52:32, 0:52:41]: Yeah. So it you know, yeah. It's important for us to have an infrastructure improvement plan. Yes, ma'am. Don't come into the council like [0:52:41, 0:52:47]: So and and the new and the newer developments, um, Councilmember Barber, they tend to have less stress on you. [0:52:47, 0:52:48]: Because they knew. [0:52:49, 0:52:56]: So the problem we have is that the existing roadways that they're gonna tie onto, additional traffic, right? [0:52:56, 0:52:58]: Um for us it's been [0:52:59, 0:53:02]: When we annex some of the older communities in. [0:53:02, 0:53:15]: Those communities were built around the same time like Brentwood Park was built, Monarch Village was built,'cause the growth rate remember when you go back to that chart, you saw we went from two thousand, eleven thousand to twenty-five thousand people in ten years. [0:53:15, 0:53:21]: So during that time is when a lot of these development happened. So fast forward, those developments are now twenty years old. [0:53:21, 0:53:21]: Oh. [0:53:22, 0:53:22]: Right. [0:53:22, 0:53:27]: Um on top of that what hasn't helped us, especially in some certain corridors around. [0:53:27, 0:53:28]: Um, is that [0:53:29, 0:53:31]: GPS was invented. [0:53:32, 0:53:36]: So when people got stuck on the interstate fifteen years ago, they stayed on the interstate. [0:53:36, 0:53:38]: Right,'cause they didn't know where to go. [0:53:38, 0:53:47]: Now what you have is you have GPS, you get off and it tells you turn left here, turn right here, and so you see the traffic coming down. [0:53:48, 0:54:03]: in as it relates to portion of your district, you will see that traffic folks either dripping coming off of six seventy five at box up, they'll come across and hits hit Eastern Ladder Road and come down. That's why Eastern Ladder Road has some issues, right? And they're coming down and trying to get around the traffic. [0:54:04, 0:54:12]: on on this side, on the east on the east side, on the west side, a lot of them are jumping off either Mount Zion or one thirty eight and going spare road. [0:54:12, 0:54:24]: Walt Stevens Road, Flippin Road, to get down further south beyond the traffic. Um, so that's had a huge impact on a lot of these um what we call arterial not arterial roads. [0:54:25, 0:54:36]: Which is e you topia eastern land of roads, those arterial roads, major arterial arterial roads, that's where the a lot of damage is happening. But over time, even within our subdivisions, we're starting to see wear and tear. [0:54:37, 0:54:41]: Right, because of the age of the pavements, um sidewalks. [0:54:41, 0:54:44]: Um I will tell you um [0:54:44, 0:54:58]: Back when I was in the county planning department, I used to have a huge argument with developers about street trees, the strees the trees between the curb and the sidewalk, the type of trees they were putting. And I'll tell you one example, Monarch Village. [0:54:58, 0:55:01]: Рай специфіклі до врон тайпа тріс. [0:55:01, 0:55:06]: Right. There are other developments around the same thing because what it does is it's that tree got older. [0:55:07, 0:55:08]: It lift the sidewalk. [0:55:08, 0:55:08]: Mm. [0:55:09, 0:55:15]: Because they used the wrong trees. And we would they would try to tell'em. But at the time county commissioners weren't hearing it. [0:55:15, 0:55:28]: The developers was, you know, like they say, uh customers always right. Um, so that's had a huge impact in some of the communities that have come into the city that's coming into the cities, sidewalk issues, um, pavement issues on that side. [0:55:29, 0:55:30]: Um [0:55:30, 0:55:36]: But the newer developments will the only the impact on those will obviously be police. [0:55:36, 0:55:38]: The infrastructure lag behind them. [0:55:39, 0:55:50]: depending on where they are and how much traffic they get, just the roadway in that area is what you'll start to see impacting those collector roads and those m arterial roads that start to decline. It's we'll have to keep up with those. [0:55:50, 0:56:03]: Thank you, sir. Um so just my last comment. So I know with this new tax, proposed tax, most of it is to cover police services. [0:56:03, 0:56:07]: Um the more developments that this council approves. [0:56:07, 0:56:10]: The more officers that are needed. [0:56:10, 0:56:12]: Венви інічалі [0:56:12, 0:56:15]: Um approved funding to start up the police department. [0:56:15, 0:56:17]: І вас бестоліч. [0:56:18, 0:56:18]: At that time. [0:56:19, 0:56:20]: In twenty twenty one. [0:56:20, 0:56:23]: Since then we've had annexations. [0:56:23, 0:56:24]: New developments. [0:56:26, 0:56:26]: However. [0:56:27, 0:56:29]: With this new proposed development [0:56:29, 0:56:32]: I know that it's gonna cover police. [0:56:32, 0:56:33]: Um services. [0:56:34, 0:56:35]: But we also need [0:56:35, 0:56:37]: A priority list. [0:56:37, 0:56:38]: So that [0:56:38, 0:56:41]: These fundings can help improve the infrastructure. Yes, sir. [0:56:42, 0:56:51]: Um aside from the impact fees that we get from the developments. Yes, ma'am. But we need a priority list. I just don't want to see these tax dollars. [0:56:51, 0:56:52]: being used for [0:56:53, 0:56:55]: Other things. Yes, sir. The amphitheater. [0:56:56, 0:57:02]: No oh no. That kind of thing. Yes move. We need a priority list so that I'm assured. [0:57:02, 0:57:03]: Um [0:57:03, 0:57:23]: That is being used appropriately. Yes, ma'am. And and part of part of what's gonna be presented to you guys, um, you know, we're working we're working on the capital improvements plan. You you you should have gotten one last year. It's a five year plan, projected plan, you know, but we tweak it year by year based on what we see happening. But that five year capital plan, if you go back [0:57:23, 0:57:43]: to your old budget lays out over five years some of the projects, key projects. We're adding to that because remember the last time you got it, we had we had an annex in. So as we assess those roadways, you'll start to see those those changes where we're actually plugging those into the into the capital improvement program to keep [0:57:43, 0:57:44]: Keep us moving forward. [0:57:46, 0:57:48]: You're welcome. Ms. Gamp, please. [0:57:48, 0:58:08]: I just wanted um m for the record we've discussed homestead tax exemption and I think the m all of the council agree that that's something that we're gonna go forward towards. We've already discussed that in the past and we plan on doing so. Um I know I've had several discussions, so um that's [0:58:08, 0:58:11]: That's it for that. I'm ready. Mr. Thomas, please. [0:58:11, 0:58:31]: Thank you, Mayor. Um my question is for Mr. Harris, but as he is coming, uh Mr. Walls, thank you for for being here. Um but my question is for for Mr. Harris, but anyone can answer this. Um the tax relief grant. [0:58:31, 0:58:41]: Does the municipalities have to apply for those grants or just automatic? [0:58:41, 0:59:01]: Automatic and so what we'll do is once Miss Cardi and her team they'll they'll calculate the numbers once the millage is determined by the by the city. The state will cut us a check. Um and we anticipate somewhere between a week or two after once we've submit that information and then we'll similarly turn around [0:59:01, 0:59:13]: amount and submit and forward that amount back to the city. So whatever that deduction, whatever that savings was to the to the for the city residents, that same amount will come back to the city. So it'll be no loss. [0:59:14, 0:59:34]: on behalf of the city. All those funds and uh you know, depending on what that on what millage rate you decide, that could be anywhere from zero to again, two or three hundred thousand dollars. But that check will come right back to the city. So it'll be no loss in revenues from the city's perspective. All right. Thank you. Uh that's the only question I have for you. Uh I I do have a cut [0:59:33, 0:59:38]: And I'm going to [0:59:38, 0:59:43]: uh comment alluding to something that Mayor Pro Tem mentioned. Um [0:59:45, 0:59:47]: It seems that [0:59:49, 0:59:50]: The budget. [0:59:51, 0:59:53]: discussion or conversation. [0:59:53, 1:00:13]: should have sort of already taken place before we adopt this millet. But since that didn't happen, I'd like to request, and I know m uh Mr. Gardner, you and your staff have met. I know department head has has already presented. Uh I'm requesting as soon as [1:00:13, 1:00:33]: we can because I know the council will be um discussing at a retreat. But I I'm requesting to get uh your budget if that's feasible as soon as possible. So when we do get to the council's retreat, you know, we will have been able to [1:00:33, 1:00:37]: [3638.3, 3654.3]: Thank you for that for that for that question, sir. We're actually working on getting that. We hopefully we'll get everything we've been working on to the printers tomorrow. So you will get the the proposed budget as we s we put together to this point so we could discuss fully. [1:00:54, 1:01:12]: you'll get that um sometime next week. So it'll be at least a week or two ahead of the ahead of the meeting so you can generate questions. So we've been working on getting that. We're still we had budget meetings um this week going through, trying to refine some of it so when we get it there, we'll have it in a format where you guys will be able to go through it. [1:01:13, 1:01:17]: But also highlight some key areas um to show what's under the numbers. [1:01:18, 1:01:30]: Um so you'll get that. So you'll be able to ask some really good questions. So you'll have some good interactions um as it relates to the budget. But yes, we're already on top of that. You'll get that next week, sir. Okay. Ne next week that that's what I want to hear. [1:01:30, 1:01:31]: Um [1:01:32, 1:01:34]: Another comment is [1:01:37, 1:01:40]: In order for me to [1:01:43, 1:01:50]: trying to balance this out as far as the budget. And I know we have to have to have to make it fit. Um [1:01:50, 1:01:54]: And I think with the city exemption, with the county exemption [1:01:54, 1:01:56]: Uh I think all that is good. [1:01:57, 1:02:06]: Uh but when we get into budget and you know ms uh mr garner that I pay very close attention and I go through line for line. [1:02:06, 1:02:08]: Um but I I think [1:02:09, 1:02:22]: Um and I'm sorry speaking to the council as well. I I think we're gonna have to dedicate more due diligence in uh the city of Stockbridge's budget. [1:02:22, 1:02:25]: I I don't think we can be so cavalier. [1:02:25, 1:02:29]: um going through the budget and I think [1:02:29, 1:02:49]: For me, I I think there will be some um cuts and I I haven't even seen the budget, uh, Mr. Gardner, but I can already feel that um we need to do some trimming because uh with this millage and for its operation. [1:02:49, 1:02:55]: of the city. I don't because for me, once we pass this one today [1:02:56, 1:03:08]: Uh personally, I would not entertain another one. I know a citizen asked uh at one of the hearings, uh, will we be looking at another uh a millage in another year or two? [1:03:09, 1:03:29]: Uh I I'm not I'm not there. So and I'm saying this to the council when it comes to the the city's budget, let's do our due diligence because I would not be on board with another uh increase in the millage no time soon. So that's sort of just my comment, Mr Walls. Mr Thomas, I d [1:03:29, 1:03:32]: That's a great segue in your comment. [1:03:32, 1:03:37]: And so on the screen are the various options for y'all to consider. [1:03:37, 1:03:38]: And so um [1:03:39, 1:03:48]: Three point seven seven mils is a slight loss, fifty-four thousand dollars. So you'd have to dip into your general fund reserves by fifty-four thousand. [1:03:49, 1:04:09]: Four mils is four hundred and forty-eight thousand dollar surplus, and four point two one five mils is eight hundred and thirty-eight thousand doll surplus. And to get back to Councilwoman Barber, you got your local option sales tax going in the bucket. You got this new property tax going into the budget. The goal about this property tax is to quit spending our fund balance if we can. [1:04:09, 1:04:25]: And so in your comment about you only want to do the millage rate once and I have to come back a few years, when we bring you the homestead exemptions and next year's property tax, you're going to collect less from whatever millage rate you levy today. [1:04:25, 1:04:27]: Because the homestead exemption is gonna reduce it. [1:04:27, 1:04:32]: Right. And so if you're wanting to make sure you don't have to raise the millage rate next year. [1:04:33, 1:04:43]: you you don't want to pick a number on these options that's so let so low that when you then reduce it further by homestead exemption you might have to raise it back up again. [1:04:43, 1:04:55]: Speak to you mentioned loss, I think when you said the three point seven um at a loss. Elap elaborate on that a little. So um our loc [1:04:56, 1:05:03]: Our local option sales tax, you know we had the renegotiation with all the cities and the county recently on the local option sales tax. And um [1:05:04, 1:05:14]: Um our sales taxes uh in twenty two were six million five hundred and forty thousand. And so um [1:05:16, 1:05:20]: Our sales taxes have grown in twenty nineteen it was four point four million. [1:05:21, 1:05:23]: In twenty twenty it was five point five million. [1:05:24, 1:05:29]: In twenty one it was six point two million. Last year it was six point five million. [1:05:29, 1:05:30]: And so [1:05:30, 1:05:31]: Um [1:05:31, 1:05:37]: We've benefited greatly from the increase in the economy. When covet hit, everybody started shopping at Amazon. [1:05:38, 1:05:42]: Sales taxes have just really grown phenomenally and it's been great and [1:05:43, 1:05:45]: You I represented y'all for a while. [1:05:46, 1:05:47]: Y'all [1:05:47, 1:05:56]: uh work real hard to try to balance how much money you take from your citizens and how much money you spend on quality of life issues. [1:05:57, 1:05:59]: And I know y'all [1:05:59, 1:06:05]: Y'all work hard to try to balance that and take as little as possible from your citizens. And you all. [1:06:06, 1:06:13]: made a decision to draw your fund balance down. I recommended a property tax to you two years ago. I recommended it last year. [1:06:13, 1:06:17]: And you all felt like I can make it, I don't need to leave a property tax. [1:06:17, 1:06:22]: Your citizens have benefited for two years by you not living a property tax. [1:06:23, 1:06:28]: But uh this is the third year that I'm coming to you asking you for a property tax. [1:06:28, 1:06:31]: You spent your fund balance down as I talked about earlier. [1:06:32, 1:06:35]: And so you've relied greatly on sales tax. Um [1:06:36, 1:06:43]: Hampton was the same way they relied on sales tax. They levied four point five mils last year because the sales tax just wasn't enough to carry'em. [1:06:44, 1:06:54]: There are five there are five hundred and thirty five cities in Georgia. Nearly all of'em have a property tax. Your citizens have benefited from y'all's leadership that y'all ain't had one since seventy seven. [1:06:54, 1:07:05]: Right. Well I'm I'm gonna tell you Mr. Wall but this is this is pretty much directed to uh the the city manager. Um [1:07:05, 1:07:07]: I pretty much advocate for [1:07:08, 1:07:10]: cuts in the budget every year. [1:07:11, 1:07:13]: So for me, um [1:07:14, 1:07:18]: And and that's and I I'm still in that lane as far as cutting. [1:07:19, 1:07:21]: So for me, I would rather cut. [1:07:22, 1:07:23]: Some things in the budget. [1:07:24, 1:07:44]: than to come back in another year to to increase humility. And that's just where I am because I just know for me, and I've always recommended this to my council, but uh my council has not supported that. But um I I'm and I'm just saying for me, uh I I think there's a lot of [1:07:44, 1:07:58]: wastefulness in our budget. But for me, this is where I will be, and I'm sorry to letting this council know, this is where I will be uh upcoming to look at what we can cut to make sure. [1:07:58, 1:08:08]: that we don't have to go back and do another millage. So this is totally just where I am'cause I just know that there's some room for for cutting. [1:08:08, 1:08:12]: trimming some of the fat and not being so wasteful. [1:08:12, 1:08:15]: When we come to operations. [1:08:15, 1:08:28]: Uh Mayor, thank you and I yield back. You're welcome, sir. Um Miss Gann, you had another question? Just one and I I meant to say this. Councilman Councilman Thomas, you're absolutely correct. And I agree one hundred percent with you. [1:08:28, 1:08:48]: And have stated the same thing. I don't want to be in the hole. I can't agree to do the three point seven and still be in the hole. That's not gonna that's gonna defeat the purpose. I don't wanna come back next year and increase taxes. I don't wanna come back the year after that. I don't plan on increasing taxes in the next two years. I don't wanna be in the hole. [1:08:48, 1:08:55]: And I don't want to put that on our constituents. So I rather [1:08:56, 1:09:13]: Rip the band aid off now. It is clear that that dollar example that was shown was for our budget in whole in general. It wasn't what was spent on taxes. We're implementing this tax because we have to. We now have a public safety and that's not a bad thing. [1:09:14, 1:09:30]: It's not it's not a bad thing. Um, but I'm ready I know we have to have a plea hearing. I'm gonna agree with Councilman Thomas and I'm gonna go off the recommendation of Mr. Wall with the four point two. That's me, because I'm not going to vote [1:09:31, 1:09:38]: For taxes in the next two years, I'm not doing it. I'm not increasing. And I agree that we look at the budget. [1:09:38, 1:09:42]: And do what we have to do to trim the fat in the future. [1:09:43, 1:09:54]: If if we're closing it in the next few years, I don't I don't care. I'm not voting for anything increasing after this because this needs to carry us through. And that's where I am. [1:09:55, 1:10:09]: Mayor. Uh yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Let me say this right now. I'm not voting for anything over three point seven seven and I'm not okay with the staff advocating for higher taxes or, you know, putting [1:10:10, 1:10:30]: uh you know extra spin on the higher percentage. I'm not okay with that. Okay, because what that does, it is allows you not to have to sharpen your pencil. It allows you to be able to, you know, get the extra money. Now the 3.77, what that does, it makes you have to go back to the table to look at [1:10:29, 1:10:49]: the entire budget to slice some items. If I give you the 4.12, you just you don't have to do nothing. You can leave this meeting today and the you don't have to you don't have to slice anything. Because if I give you the 4.12 as recommended by you, your budget is already meet four point one two. There's no cuts necessary. [1:10:49, 1:10:57]: But if I give you the 3.77, you're gonna have to leave this meeting and then you're gonna have to come back and see me. [1:10:58, 1:11:18]: With the cuts that you have made so that I can approve it in the budget. So no, I don't advocate for that. And Mr. Wall, I'm not okay with you coming advocating and saying that you've been advocating for a city tax the last two years. It's not the position to advocate, it's your position to put the facts on the table for us so that we can make the decision. [1:11:17, 1:11:37]: For the citizens. I was out there knocking on doors for annexation. I'm not about to hit these citizens with anything but the minimum because that's what they deserve. I've been through three millage hearings already, and every one of those citizens said, break it down to me. Do not give it to me all at one time. [1:11:37, 1:11:55]: I'm and let me say this again. I'm not voting for an increase in the millers next year anyway. Why why I'm not gonna have to because every single year in your presentation, you just gave us the facts. The sales tax are increasing every single year. [1:11:55, 1:12:12]: Right? Yes. What's going to happen is I've been out on the front line since twenty fourteen trying to drive economic development. I'm disappointed in all of us, county, school, everybody overall, because we drove economic development to drive down the taxes. [1:12:13, 1:12:20]: But nobody everybody's taking the easy route. Let's just keep raising the taxes up and not have to do the hard work, which is [1:12:21, 1:12:32]: Taking a pencil and paper and saying, listen, do we really need this? Do we really need that? If everybody wanna control the budget and you want the budget to be down, give them less. [1:12:33, 1:12:53]: Give them less today, and that way that they gotta go back to the table, come back to see us by ebbing the budget now in order to do that. Now, again, I was out there knocking on doors to these citizens. I said, you know, when we dealt with the police department, and I'll stand on that decision today and ever. [1:12:52, 1:13:07]: every day. I wouldn't change it because it impacts our quality of life. I had the officers in my neighborhood yesterday dealing with a situation where there was uh uh let me be careful with what I say where there was someone who had mental challenges. [1:13:08, 1:13:28]: They were dealt, they dealt with it with compassion. They dealt with it with professionalism and lessons learned from George Floyd, Eric Garner, and all of the cases that we've actually had. So in order for me to in order to do that, we have to do what we have to do. But I'm only gonna do what's necessary. [1:13:28, 1:13:48]: But I understand Costco's gonna be open next year. Hopefully Sprouts will be open next year. Hopefully, the development, several other businesses, downtown is flourishing. So I already know that whatever this little shortfall is that's projected by staff, it will be overcome in that 3.77 because sales tax. [1:13:48, 1:13:51]: Texas win up uh go back to the podium again, Mr. Map. [1:13:51, 1:13:56]: How much does sales tax increase between twenty twenty two twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two? [1:13:56, 1:14:00]: Twenty one was six point two million and twenty two was six point five million. [1:14:01, 1:14:09]: Right. So it increased three hundred plus thousand dollars in that singular year, right? Yes, sir. And this year, Mr. Gardner, we're gonna have [1:14:10, 1:14:18]: numerous additional businesses with a till that's forward facing to the customer that's gonna be taking in additional sales tax, right? [1:14:19, 1:14:24]: Yes, sir. That's our hope that if if you know, we'll be bringing in hopefully some additional retail. [1:14:25, 1:14:27]: retail stores and hopefully some more [1:14:27, 1:14:33]: Some you need some more Costco's. We uh right, we understand Costco itself is probably gonna generate [1:14:34, 1:14:54]: Uh on sales tax, geez. Um remember it's a county tax, you're not sure. You only get we get a percentage of that. It's split. But but you know, they they can do a hundred million in sales. So that that one percent that you know you you could buck our way into some numbers and figure [1:14:54, 1:15:08]: figure out what it would be for us as a city. So yeah. We do need hotel growth. As you guys know, that hotel motel money is [1:15:08, 1:15:12]: can go towards a lot of things that I think the council want to see happen so [1:15:12, 1:15:22]: You know, we're trying to encourage more hotels to come here as well and working on a on a big name hotel, um, hopefully we could learn them as well, that'll help as well. [1:15:22, 1:15:42]: Right. So we got two hotels, the True by Hilton Hotel opening up, right? On Patrick Henry Parkway. Hopefully it'll be open. They just they're they're doing their they finally reached the fourth floor again. So they're they're rebuilding after after uh a f unfortunate incident of the fire. Yeah. We expect the Holiday and Express to be open. [1:15:42, 1:15:49]: The home very soon. The home two is about to um as you know, the other one is still under construction over on Spear Road. [1:15:50, 1:16:10]: That's still under construction. It's, you know, I think the weather is delaying them a lot because of that site. Now that site is kind of in a bowl. Um, and then uh the Best Western is up for sale. Hopefully somebody'll buy it. Um and there's another, like I said, there's another two to three hotels. [1:16:10, 1:16:17]: hotel sites that we're marketing um with hotel developers. Um and one of those is downtown here in downtown Starbucks. [1:16:17, 1:16:37]: And that's exactly why this council should not have to raise millage going forward. Growth is exponential and sales tax are increasing three hundred thousand dollars. Just that's why I say this figure here with that negative number is misleading because it does not include the increase in sales taxes. We're gonna get that three hundred dollars, [1:16:37, 1:16:51]: Dollar hit maybe four hundred thousand dollars going forward each year as we add on new businesses. That's what I'm trying to hear. But I I just wanted to make that point because citizens have told us at hearing after hearing. [1:16:52, 1:17:12]: Take it slow. That's what I plan on doing. And I will assure you, if we have any speakers here today, they're gonna say the same thing. Don't raise my taxes and raise them to the minimum amount if possible. The statement that was made, and I'm gonna close by saying this: if we started a police department, there would be a tax and [1:17:12, 1:17:20]: And it will be minimal. I'm going to stick to that. I'm going to vote for the minimal. The minimal at 3.77. Thank you. [1:17:21, 1:17:22]: Mr Thomas, go ahead please. [1:17:23, 1:17:31]: Councilman, I'm I'm encouraged by that and and and and I see that as well. But this is what I wanted to ask Mr. Walls if he would do this for me. [1:17:32, 1:17:35]: If you could calculate in dollars and cents. [1:17:35, 1:17:37]: The difference [1:17:37, 1:17:39]: In uh option [1:17:40, 1:17:40]: To re [1:17:41, 1:17:47]: and option four. I know s it's a one point something. If you can calculate [1:17:47, 1:17:50]: Um the difference in there because again [1:17:51, 1:18:00]: My thing is about the budget and that's encouraging. Um about, you know, uh uh the growth, the sales, hotel, motel and and [1:18:00, 1:18:03]: and and those kind of sales tax, that's very encouraging. [1:18:04, 1:18:06]: But I still come back to say that [1:18:06, 1:18:26]: We have to be better stewards in this city budget. So, Councilman, with that, I agree with that. And our due diligence on the operation of this budget. I I think that's what a difference is. But I just wanna understand in dollars and cents, um that difference in [1:18:26, 1:18:32]: in option three and in option four. Because I think once we s understand that [1:18:33, 1:18:53]: We will be able to see and agree, Councilman, with what you just said and being better stewards of uh of the uh operation budget. I don't know, Mr. Walter, I don't know if I put you on the spot, I don't know if you can calculate that just No sir, I can. Yes, sir. So three point seven seven versus four mils, the difference. [1:18:52, 1:18:55]: [4736.1, 4739.6]: Three point seven seven plus point two three is four. [1:19:00, 1:19:03]: Every one meal on your digest raises a hundred and eighty thousand dollars. [1:19:05, 1:19:07]: So um [1:19:07, 1:19:15]: point two three mils um is is the increase and um um [1:19:16, 1:19:25]: So in dollars and cents that the difference in those two options? So it was six point seven million for the three point seven seven mils. [1:19:25, 1:19:37]: And seven point two million, so it's four hundred and four hundred and four hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. Four hundred and eighteen thousand. So that's the difference in [1:19:37, 1:19:40]: In in those two planes. And that's money to you. [1:19:40, 1:19:42]: Give me a value of a home. [1:19:42, 1:19:48]: And let me see what the difference is in taxes on the value of a home. Well w where I'm trying to go with this [1:19:48, 1:19:49]: Um [1:19:49, 1:19:55]: I'm going to agree with the with the councilman's comments about the growth and the potential. [1:19:55, 1:20:02]: and even looking at our budget to see where we can trim. So I'm just saying, for me, [1:20:02, 1:20:04]: Та диференс [1:20:04, 1:20:06]: Can be made up. [1:20:07, 1:20:08]: You know, if we look at [1:20:09, 1:20:20]: the councilman's projection and and we doing our due diligence here with city operations. And so that's what I needed to see and be able to understand. [1:20:20, 1:20:25]: Councilman Alexander, I you didn't whoop me once and I know you're gonna whoop me again, but um [1:20:25, 1:20:36]: Before y'all did annexation you had sixteen thousand sixteen thousand houses. So I don't know how many extra houses went in for annexation, um three thousand, four thousand, six. [1:20:37, 1:20:50]: Four thousand, five thousand houses. So let's say there's twenty thousand homes in the city of Living Stockbridge. Nineteen hundred or something. Night and so I don't know how so that okay, then that'd be about seventeen thousand homes. I don't know how many of those apply for homestead exemption. [1:20:51, 1:20:57]: But in Hampton, Hampton every one mil was three hundred and uh sixty thousand dollars. [1:20:58, 1:21:03]: Your every one mil is is a million eight hundred thousand dollars. So you're like way bigger than Hampton. [1:21:03, 1:21:07]: Hampton's homestead exemptions, the the cafeteria six that they picked [1:21:08, 1:21:13]: based on the homes in Hampton that applied for the county and the school board [1:21:13, 1:21:14]: Homestead exemption. [1:21:15, 1:21:24]: If those folks applied for the exemptions that the mayor and council of Hampton gave them, they would reduce how much they collect by two hundred thousand dollars. [1:21:25, 1:21:35]: So it's uh you know, a little bit less than one mil. And so my only thought was when you set a millage rate, when we come with a homestead exemption next year. [1:21:36, 1:21:48]: the amount of money we're projecting to collect's gonna go down by whatever we do it. So when we staff bring you homestead exemptions, y'all tell us, I want the freeze, I want sixty-two and older, I'd like uh this one and that one. [1:21:48, 1:21:55]: We will work with John Selfie and Commissioner Harris and c and say here's how many folks can apply for this. [1:21:55, 1:22:01]: Here's what it'll cost you and then you'll pick among a whole bunch of stuff and come up with how much it costs. [1:22:01, 1:22:02]: And so [1:22:03, 1:22:04]: You're right. [1:22:05, 1:22:12]: If you do three point seven seven, you're gonna force us to come back to you with various cuts. Yes. And so just know that's what's gonna happen. [1:22:14, 1:22:34]: Absolutely. So Mayor Ford, uh that's out of um all of the questions, comments, and concerns I have. I know this is a public hearing, um, but I'm satisfied with um with the presentation. I want to thank Mr. Harris for a thorough uh presentation. [1:22:34, 1:22:42]: For me, I really don't have any other questions, Mr. Walls. That was the main question I wanted to ask you. [1:22:43, 1:22:55]: Mr. Gardner, I wanted to request the copies of um your budget as soon as possible. So for me, um I'm I'm ready to hear what the citizen has to say. [1:22:56, 1:23:14]: All right, good deal. On that oops all right. Oh you're done. Okay, good. Just public hearing in this aspect. So we'll I'm gonna start on my very far but on my left, open up the public hearing for any comments for or approve or a positive comments in reference to this millage uh increase on my far left. [1:23:16, 1:23:18]: Any comments in the middle? [1:23:19, 1:23:22]: My right. Any comments whatsoever. [1:23:22, 1:23:23]: All right. [1:23:23, 1:23:35]: Start on my left side and comments against or against the miller's rate or comments about not wanting to do this on my far left. Any comments in the middle. [1:23:35, 1:23:38]: And it comes on the far right. [1:23:38, 1:23:43]: And um Madam Clerk, did you have something that you needed to add? Yeah. [1:23:43, 1:23:46]: Oh I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't see her. [1:23:46, 1:23:48]: Oh okay, so ma'am, come to the podium. [1:23:48, 1:23:50]: And uh give your name and address, please. [1:24:03, 1:24:23]: Good morning. Morning to you. I came back so I could understand, get more of an understanding about the millage rate and the increase in property taxes. And our taxes have already could you give me your name and address please? Lisa Green. And my Mike's on the side. Oh sorry. Lisa Green and we live off Flippin' Road. The subdivision off Flippin' Road. And so [1:24:23, 1:24:31]: So I was just trying to understand get an estimate about how much more will our taxes increase because our mortgage has gone up. Um [1:24:32, 1:24:52]: quite quite a lot since we moved to Stockbridge and purchased that home. And so I'm just trying to get a under understanding with passing this new millage rate. And I am for what you said the least amount possible and making cuts and those things that are not necessary. But I was just trying to get an idea of how much more that would be um [1:24:52, 1:25:02]: Um maybe an out increase of taxes. So that's what I just that's my question. All right. Earlier okay, thank you, ma'am. Because I'm I wasn't here f at the beginning of the meeting. Okay, go ahead. Mr. Gardner. [1:25:03, 1:25:03]: Mm. [1:25:04, 1:25:05]: Mm-hmm. [1:25:05, 1:25:24]: Ms. Gardner, could you come back to the podium?'Cause you gave it an example, you gave a different in your presentation you gave some examples of uh what the would be uh increase would be, certain millage rates, certain home home sizes. I don't know what kind of what where the size of the home is, but she missed that part. So if you might want to go back through that process. [1:25:24, 1:25:24]: Okay. [1:25:25, 1:25:26]: Yeah. [1:25:26, 1:25:31]: Um, I don't think she can hear you right now, so I know mister m okay, now. Okay. [1:25:35, 1:25:36]: May I almost go away? [1:25:37, 1:25:38]: What's up there isn't you? [1:25:42, 1:25:47]: Sh m mister Garner, if I may, Mayor. Yes, sir. She Mr Garner. [1:25:47, 1:25:49]: She she wanted to know [1:25:49, 1:26:09]: How much of an increase uh on her property tax? And I know we don't know the value of a home value of a home, but it But if you can give her a ballpark. I I was requesting where she lived because that'll give me a idea of what her what range her house is gonna be in and I could better answer her question. Avian forest. Okay. So [1:26:09, 1:26:17]: So Avian Forest is gonna be between 275 and 325 in that range. [1:26:17, 1:26:25]: So so let's say for instance uh your house was was um valued at the [1:26:27, 1:26:32]: At three hundred and twenty five, let's see if I got that example over here. [1:26:36, 1:26:41]: All right. Let's even put it at yeah. So let's say for instance it's valued at three seventy five. [1:26:41, 1:27:01]: So you're currently paying on on the you're currently paying right around twelve, I think Michael. She's well, she's in the city. So she's paying, you're paying um the 1.904 for your for police district. All right. Um, and avian forest has always been in the [1:27:01, 1:27:06]: city so that's the only thing you were paying. Um so at that point [1:27:07, 1:27:08]: Um [1:27:08, 1:27:10]: You're paying [1:27:10, 1:27:24]: About two hundred and eighty five dollars and sixty cents, which equates to about twenty three dollars and eighty cents a month. That's what you've been paying to the county for police services. Um overall, um [1:27:26, 1:27:28]: Yeah. [1:27:31, 1:27:32]: Give me a second. [1:27:40, 1:27:43]: Yeah, you said it was thirty three, thirty three percent overall. [1:27:47, 1:27:48]: Four thousand two ninety. [1:27:51, 1:28:00]: Okay. So you're paying for what four thousand. Um, depending on which millage rate the city council adopts. [1:28:07, 1:28:09]: Um at three point [1:28:16, 1:28:26]: For a nine four ninety, yeah. For you'd be paying an additional four ninety um in uh a year in property tax. [1:28:28, 1:28:30]: So that'll equate to about [1:28:30, 1:28:34]: An additional forty dollars a month that you would if any. [1:28:38, 1:28:38]: Shake in. [1:28:39, 1:28:54]: Well, and that number would be deb based on also gonna be impacted by your homestead exemption claims, your age. Um I'm not factoring any of that in, obviously'cause I don't have that demographic information. Um, so that'll also factor in and lower that. [1:28:54, 1:28:55]: That amount. [1:28:56, 1:28:57]: You're welcome now. [1:28:57, 1:29:00]: All right, so otherwise that we continue on. There's no [1:29:00, 1:29:03]: Oh you have a question, ma'am? I would come on, please. Name and address. [1:29:07, 1:29:09]: Good morning. Thank you for having me. [1:29:10, 1:29:13]: Uh I am recently Your name and address Pamela Pamela Burrell. [1:29:13, 1:29:21]: I'm uh in Manderley, so I'm one of the homes that were recently an annexed in. Okay. Um I'm concerned. [1:29:21, 1:29:25]: А за хомонер і Сток на Ситі Стокбридж. [1:29:25, 1:29:32]: Because of what for the presentation that showed the funds being used over so many years decreasing. [1:29:32, 1:29:40]: Why had not b why hasn't this been addressed as far as looking at expenses and making cuts along the way as opposed to right now? [1:29:41, 1:29:49]: So now we have to look at a millage increase to cover or replenish these funds when this is something that should have been done. [1:29:49, 1:29:50]: Years ago. [1:29:52, 1:30:03]: And for us to go forward and I to the points of some of the council members as far as looking at these budgets, where are these funds being spent? Are they being spent appropriately? [1:30:04, 1:30:07]: I am concerned as being a as I said a new to Stockbridge. [1:30:08, 1:30:10]: And when I got my tax bill I about flipped. [1:30:11, 1:30:17]: And then I think I assume that when these bills were done, they were based on that six percent millage. [1:30:18, 1:30:21]: No. They were not. Oh. That's before the millage. [1:30:22, 1:30:23]: When he sent out the [1:30:24, 1:30:25]: The uh appraisals. [1:30:26, 1:30:32]: Did that include a millage rate of six percent at that time? It couldn't have no [1:30:33, 1:30:34]: Nothing at that time. [1:30:35, 1:30:38]: Okay, so that means if you whatever you do, it's gonna go up even higher. [1:30:40, 1:30:44]: Whatever if you do if you don't make if you do it like three point seven percent. [1:30:45, 1:30:45]: That [1:30:45, 1:31:02]: appraisal that I got, which of course I had to appeal because our home was just way over appraised. But anyway, um that means the property tax appraisal or the uh estimated tax is gonna go up even with that five hundred dollar [1:31:03, 1:31:11]: uh grant that might help. So I am concerned, and I'm sure other Manderley residents, there's not many of us in that small subdivision, but [1:31:12, 1:31:15]: You talking people that are probably on very fixed incomes. [1:31:15, 1:31:20]: And uh I think to your point, uh, Councilman Barber, uh about the um [1:31:21, 1:31:33]: Homestead exemption, especially for septic septic tank folks. We're all on septics, even though man uh monarch is not. So we're all on septics. So um I am I have some serious concerns. [1:31:34, 1:31:53]: Okay. Thank you, ma'am. We uh we we we do actually review the budget every every year. We go through a thorough uh concept of the budget and we go through the that whole aspect and and what and and through try to f manage our funds appropriately. Okay. So when when you have to go into the funds, is there an evaluation done? Yes, we do that all the time. Okay. We do that. Okay. [1:31:53, 1:31:57]: Just wanted to state that I have some concerns. Okay, thank you very much. Yep. All right now. [1:31:59, 1:32:18]: So otherwise I don't think I went to the right side, so there's no other comments on the right side. So I don't think any other comments uh across the room. So I will close the uh public hearing at this point. Um and what I'm looking for is that obviously we need a motion here, but uh I would I I wanna go online and you have something, ma'am? Okay, go ahead. [1:32:22, 1:32:41]: There was a comment um submitted that you uh have agreed to allow to be reading. Yes, go go ahead please. And the qu there are questions. How do we apply for senior and homestead exemptions for the new city of Stock Ridge tax? When will the exemptions go into effect? [1:32:41, 1:32:55]: For the new city tax, is the deadline the same as the county tax deadline? And will when the new city tax be due this year? Will there be a new city tax due this year? [1:32:56, 1:33:05]: Well I thought we I thought we covered that already in the presentation with uh Mr. Harris and who gave the process and all that. Miss Wall, you you wanna attempt that, sir? [1:33:07, 1:33:15]: So just quickly uh the answers. Um there is a process for a homestead exemption. You go to the tax commissioner's office and apply for it. [1:33:15, 1:33:16]: And um [1:33:16, 1:33:24]: The um process f to get it done is the mayor and council need to determine what homestead exemptions they want to offer. [1:33:24, 1:33:26]: Then they'll have the Georgia legislature. [1:33:26, 1:33:30]: Consider it January, February, March of next year. [1:33:30, 1:33:34]: The governor has until june thirtieth to sign the bill. [1:33:34, 1:33:38]: And then it'll be on the ballot in November of two thousand and twenty four. [1:33:38, 1:33:58]: And so a citizen would apply for that homestead exemption in the twenty in some t between January and and May of twenty twenty-five. The um um I forget there was one other question she had there to end. What's your point over, sir? [1:33:58, 1:34:04]: Oh okay. Could you finish the question, please? [1:34:10, 1:34:19]: Certainly. So Mr. Harris will send out the tax notices. They're due sixty days by law from the day he mails them. I expect it to be November. [1:34:19, 1:34:39]: November sixteenth. Thank you. Thank you very much. On that note, uh Council, we will need a motion, but I want to go on lump record and say that I've I I personally recommend the uh actual uh staff's recommendation of four point two one five. But obviously that is just my personal opinion, thinking that'd be the best way for the overall for the city and for our future. On that note, uh what is the [1:34:39, 1:34:40]: the motion. [1:34:40, 1:35:00]: Sir, I do want to make a motion and I started disagree. I think we're gonna tighten our belt and make this happen uh at 3.77. So I want to make a motion for 3.77 uh with the described uh exemption, frozen exemption. Uh the ex uh the exemption the staff will bring back to [1:35:00, 1:35:11]: to us information on the frozen exemption. They will bring back information to us on the senior exemption and the septic exemption at the budget hearings that we will have in the next two weeks. [1:35:12, 1:35:13]: Is there a second motion? [1:35:14, 1:35:17]: I will second that Mayor Ford, but I do have a comment. Um [1:35:18, 1:35:21]: That was the reason why I'd been asking for a mid year [1:35:21, 1:35:22]: Budget review. [1:35:23, 1:35:24]: For the council. [1:35:24, 1:35:27]: So that we can see where we are. [1:35:27, 1:35:28]: in our current year's spending. [1:35:30, 1:35:32]: We didn't get that, but we will be reviewing. [1:35:32, 1:35:34]: Twenty twenty four is budgeted. [1:35:34, 1:35:37]: next year, um next month. [1:35:38, 1:35:43]: So I second that. Thank you. The motion be made second. So any further conversation? All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:35:44, 1:36:03]: All right, three all f of four. You you agree with this now for the four. Okay. Whatever we're gonna w it's gonna pass. I'm gonna vote for it. But I'm even four to four point two. But let's just move forward. Okay, so if so if I pass it before, uh I'm passed before confirm votes. All right, there we have it. On that note May I ask a question. Yes, ma'am. [1:36:04, 1:36:15]: Uh Councilman Alexander, you've included the frozen exemption, the senior exemption, but is does the regular homestead exemption need to be included in that? And I'm at I guess. [1:36:15, 1:36:21]: Yes, staff will bring back all appropriate exemptions, including the one for septic as described by the MARPROTIM. [1:36:23, 1:36:38]: Oh so that's all in a motion. And motion passed, all four votes. All right on that note, then um so be it. And so that ends uh I need a motion to adjourn the meeting. So moved. Is there a second? This okay from Madison to uh Miss Barber, all in favor, please indicate. [1:36:38, 1:36:40]: All right, the meetings now adjourned. Double shoulders.

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2023-07-25 source: 2023-07-25_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:12, 0:00:18]: We're waiting on the attorney or something? No, I wanna make sure that there's a confirmation for my team in my own. [0:00:39, 0:00:55]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I have uh six oh two and I'd like to call the council work session uh July twenty fifth uh to order and invocation, uh Mr. Marshall, please. And and if you can ladies and gentlemen, please stand. [0:01:02, 0:01:06]: That's that that's no that that one right there. There you go. That one right there. [0:01:07, 0:01:07]: But [0:01:11, 0:01:13]: There you go. Thank you. [0:01:14, 0:01:30]: Let's go into prayer. Merciful Father, we come before you once again in a most humble way, thanking you, Father God, for all that you are and all that you do. We thank you, Father God, for this day, a this day that is not was not promised, nothing we've done to earn it. 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[0:02:29, 0:02:31]: Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. [0:02:32, 0:02:34]: [157.4, 159.6]: And present. Councilman Thomas. [0:02:42, 0:02:45]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate it. Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:02:47, 0:02:50]: Some moved. Okay, Ms. Nant, is there a second? [0:02:50, 0:02:52]: Is Barber second dad? All in favor, please indicate. [0:02:53, 0:03:06]: All right, so you now decision on that. Uh please review the draft minutes that you have before you council, council meeting uh June twelfth and also council work session which would be the twentieth of June. Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments? [0:03:06, 0:03:14]: Therefore, there are no public comments. Okay, we'll go on to unfinished business and the first item for unfinished business, an older only unfinished business item tonight. [0:03:14, 0:03:34]: Council consideration approved the agreement with the Henry County Development Authority along with the county and the cities of Local Scroll, Madonna, and Stockbridge to hire retail strategies recruitment to work toward a solicitation. All right, development and expansion of retail facilities in Henry County that we will expand commerce, create employment, enhance tax. [0:03:34, 0:03:42]: tax revenue and improve the quality of life in each city and the entire county. And the presentation, Mr. Gardner, please. [0:04:00, 0:04:02]: Good evening, Mayor Council. [0:04:03, 0:04:23]: Um this item uh it was tabled until this meeting from our last city council meeting. It's a request um for an agreement between the Henry County Development Authority, the city of um Locust Grove, City of Stockbridge, City of Ham uh McDonough, and Henry County. [0:04:23, 0:04:34]: Um regarding getting a retail a entity onboard retail strategies who they've been in concert with for the last two years, um, to bring on board to assist with. [0:04:35, 0:04:44]: recruiting um retail establishments to um Henry County and specifically to those cities um that are part of the agreement. [0:04:46, 0:05:06]: I've I've added writ to you in front of you is should be a flow chart. Actually it put this together to kind of give idea and it kind of address some of the issues um in got regard to how things would pr proceed. Um so if you see if we get into an agreement and retail strategies is hired, the next step in the [0:05:06, 0:05:19]: process is obviously if retail strategies identify a potential s uh prospect and that prospect chooses to locate in Henry County and let's say for instance they chose Stockbridge. So yes it's coming to Stockbridge. [0:05:19, 0:05:23]: Retail strategies then will communicate directly to us. [0:05:23, 0:05:26]: Um they don't go through the development authority. [0:05:26, 0:05:28]: They would come through us. [0:05:28, 0:05:40]: and work with either uh CDA, our community development department, economic department, or public works, depending on what the needs are. And based on those conversations in the next step. [0:05:40, 0:05:44]: We if we have incentives that they were looking are looking forward to, we can do that. [0:05:45, 0:05:52]: Um in terms of some of the ones that Mr. Alance has addressed to you guys, or if they're looking at fast track permits or development review. [0:05:52, 0:05:54]: uh those type of permit relief. [0:05:55, 0:06:04]: We could look at those packages, obviously, bring those to council, um, get them approved and then move forward and that prospect locates inside the city of Stockbridge. [0:06:05, 0:06:06]: If it goes the other way. [0:06:06, 0:06:08]: Obviously they're in contact with those cities. [0:06:09, 0:06:10]: And then we'll work with [0:06:10, 0:06:15]: the develop Henry County Development Authority as well as the city or the county, depending on where they're going. [0:06:15, 0:06:22]: Um, as you know, the development authority doesn't really issue incentives on retail projects, but they could also fast track development review. [0:06:22, 0:06:24]: permits and and as such. [0:06:25, 0:06:28]: And then locate whether they're located in Locus Grove or [0:06:29, 0:06:30]: Or Henry County. [0:06:30, 0:06:31]: At the bottom. [0:06:32, 0:06:33]: What you see is a win win. [0:06:34, 0:06:37]: If a development goes to Clayton County, we get absolutely nothing. [0:06:38, 0:06:40]: If it comes to Henry County. [0:06:40, 0:06:43]: We're sharing in fourteen percent of the sales tax. [0:06:43, 0:06:45]: Because of our new population growth. [0:06:45, 0:06:46]: Right. [0:06:46, 0:06:52]: So if it comes to Henry County, if it comes to us, obviously it's good to be recognized to have a development of that type. [0:06:52, 0:06:53]: In our city. [0:06:54, 0:06:59]: But we want it in Henry County because of Henry County or the city of Stockbridge, we all win. [0:06:59, 0:07:00]: We all [0:07:00, 0:07:04]: He had opportunities for job employments for our residents, as well as [0:07:04, 0:07:08]: uh portion of any local option sales tax that come from that project. [0:07:08, 0:07:21]: Um so with that, obviously we've had questions before and the Executive Director for Development Authority was here along with the chairperson. Um and so I'll open it up for any other additional questions you may have. [0:07:22, 0:07:25]: Yeah, I guess of course. Okay, good writer, please. [0:07:25, 0:07:45]: Uh yes uh thank you so much. Uh we certainly uh have had some discussions. Uh certainly would like to thank Mr. Marshall and Mr. Culpepper for uh you know continuing the conversation since our last meeting and having discussions that uh have uh th [0:07:45, 0:08:05]: I think we you'll some been kind of fruitful. We aren't all the way there yet, but I think hopefully we'll be able to uh get there. Uh I think uh as we move along, I think there was uh some concerns about uh the uh some some [0:08:05, 0:08:18]: Some clauses or some language that could be added to the agreement. I think in my estimation, uh and I guess uh I'm not a lawyer, but uh Mr Washington over there? Yes, he is present. [0:08:19, 0:08:22]: Okay, I think uh Ms. Watson, I think you need to come to a podium, sir. [0:08:35, 0:08:55]: Sir, good afternoon. Good afternoon to you too, sir. Yes, sir. I think um what might be able to handle our situation is a non-disparagement agreement. Uh I think where we could just kind of rest assured that uh everybody's on playing uh um equal playing fields, and that would cover uh some of the concerns that have been raised. [0:08:54, 0:09:10]: by the council. Uh we certainly want to make sure that everybody's being put forth on all the cities on equal footing and uh to deal with anything that mom I I think we've had some discussions about comments that were made and that will kind of cover us on the comments. [0:09:12, 0:09:27]: I don't know whether I would need to look into that because honestly I don't know whether as elected officials in your capacity you can do public-facing non-disparagement clauses assuming the positions of the parties involved. [0:09:27, 0:09:30]: Well, I'm not talking about us in general. I'm talking about the city as a entity. [0:09:34, 0:09:38]: I mean, what I guess what would be the specifics of what you want in the agreement? [0:09:39, 0:09:56]: Obviously we just wanna make sure that uh there were positive comments that were reflected toward the city, all the cities, that that there would not be any negative comments targeted toward uh the city of Stockbridge, uh as as far as we're concerned. And that's basically would be sum would sum it up. [0:09:57, 0:10:17]: Who would you want to sign I' who would you want a signatories to? I would I want the I would want that coded in agreement. The development authority would sign off on that uh with with that agreement that they would not that that our case would be presented in a positive manner in and uh as as with on footing with all the other cities. [0:10:17, 0:10:30]: that everything would be presented uh in a positive. Correct. And on our side, who would be the s signatory's own? Basically we're asking them to sign it, yes. [0:10:30, 0:10:45]: Well let me ask let me mention this. If if we do that, would it not be vice versa? It'd be the same thing for us as well? I mean, would that be a couple of things? Like I'm wondering if if there's a non disparage if there are non disparagement clauses, right? Non disparagement agreements. Right. [0:10:46, 0:11:06]: They're two party agreements. Right. And so I was just making sure I was clear on you'd want the cities the Stockbridge City Council and the Henry County Development Authority. Well let me let me correct that. We raised the issue. They haven't raised the issue. We raised the issue. So we're asking for that. I'm asking for that as far as we're concerned. They have not expressed any any any interest. [0:11:06, 0:11:26]: in adding that. I'm asking that for the protection of the city. Okay. So so that would need to be that would need to be a directive from council to see about us seeking one with them. And then the second part of that would be I would need to look at because the H C D A and you all and your capacities of public facing, I don't know about [0:11:26, 0:11:26]: Yeah. [0:11:27, 0:11:40]: non disparagment clauses between two public facing or governmental entities between each other. That's I would need to look into that. If if they so long as they mutually agree, does it matter? Is what? So long as they mutually agree, does it matter? [0:11:41, 0:11:43]: I don't know whether [0:11:43, 0:11:46]: I don't know whether it'd be binding given the [0:11:47, 0:11:52]: Given the first amendment freedoms that you all have in your capacity from up here. [0:11:53, 0:12:13]: Okay, but we have a contractual I think one of the things I'm concerned about more so is this contract is specifically in regards to a relationship between the HCDA and this particular entity for retail strategies. And my [0:12:13, 0:12:27]: concern is that relationship is to work together to try to get retail here. But what if a retailer or a developer comes directly to the city? [0:12:27, 0:12:41]: I don't want interference from that. So there needs to that part, not necessarily disparagement on that end. I mean I agree with the disparagement portion, but my concern was more so exclusivity. [0:12:41, 0:12:54]: Um basically I don't want someone coming, you know, they hear that we have a retail project coming or somebody coming and they get on the phone and call and says, No, you have to go through me. [0:12:55, 0:13:03]: Right when they already have reached out to us. I don't want I don't want interjection. [0:13:04, 0:13:14]: Well, no, what happens is if they find out that there's a retail and I don't wanna get into too many examples, but there I can give you an example. There's a huge project [0:13:15, 0:13:35]: In Henry County, and let's say that that project went straight to the city, the municipality, and didn't go to the development authority. Now that project is billions of dollars, over 1,200 jobs,$80,000 and up salaries, and that person said. [0:13:35, 0:13:39]: It didn't come through me, so I'm gonna stop it. I'm gonna try to interfere and break it. [0:13:39, 0:13:41]: How do we prevent? [0:13:41, 0:13:43]: That from happening. [0:13:43, 0:14:03]: How do we make sure that if a third party, I mean that to me, they're the third party. If someone wants to come directly to the city, I want to make sure that there's no interference, such as if they went to a dinner and they came and the developer had [0:14:03, 0:14:05]: Happen to be with us. [0:14:05, 0:14:10]: And we were talking to that developer or we were trying to bring in people. [0:14:10, 0:14:30]: And then we don't want the interference saying, No, we have exclusivity. Look, see here, this is we're supposed to deal with retail, any retail in Henry County, and you can't deal with it. We don't want them interjecting. That's what my concern. If they if you know what I mean? So we need to protect that. I wouldn't talk to Mr. Gardner because you see about [0:14:31, 0:14:40]: I I would say, uh Councilmember Gantt, in in my conversations with um Mr Culpepper, um we were sure that that obviously that would not happen. If if if the [0:14:41, 0:14:46]: And just throw it out there. Let's say Dillards wanted to locate to the city of Stockbridge. They [0:14:46, 0:14:52]: In their work with retail strategies, they recognize that Stockbridge is the best place for them to locate. [0:14:53, 0:15:01]: That at that point, retail strategies have the conversation with us. They're the way this is supposed to flow is that they come directly to us at that point, as you said. [0:15:02, 0:15:04]: If there is some disparaging comments made. [0:15:05, 0:15:08]: Де сау тюрна проєкт аварій в нас? [0:15:09, 0:15:09]: Um [0:15:10, 0:15:25]: Obviously that's a conversation that that I think that this board needs to have with the um development authority folks if that was to happen. Well that's what I'm saying. I want a clause that protects us from that. But retail s strategies is just one [0:15:25, 0:15:31]: Entity. There are several people that do the same thing retail strategies do. My thing is [0:15:32, 0:15:38]: Retail strategist is a consultant. They're going out trying to get retail. What if the retailer [0:15:39, 0:15:44]: For instance, Costco, we didn't go to Costco. They all met together. What if a retailer [0:15:44, 0:15:53]: just comes to us. It directly comes to us. We don't want an interference saying, hey that's one second, please. We don't want an interference that says, hey [0:15:53, 0:16:13]: No, look at this contract. We do all the retail for Henry County. You gotta come through us. And I'm saying that, I know that sounds crazy, but I've just uh uh things happen. And I just wanna be protected. Right. I'm pretty sure we'll be just fine. But um Mr. Thomas, go ahead please. Thank you, Mayor, for um [0:16:14, 0:16:17]: Mr Mr. Garner, um [0:16:17, 0:16:33]: But just all due respect to this whole process, you know, we we delayed this vote because of conversations that needed to be had before we got here today. [0:16:34, 0:16:36]: I I'm not comfortable in [0:16:37, 0:16:38]: Continuously [0:16:39, 0:16:44]: having these kind of discussions uh in this forum. [0:16:44, 0:16:58]: Uh I thought the reason why we delayed the vote because we were going to iron all these things out. I know um Mr. Culpepper reached out. Um [0:17:00, 0:17:02]: Uh When Mr. Square, please. [0:17:04, 0:17:13]: If we can refrain from, you know, the the the outburst, I I I think we could be a little bit more productive in this. Um [0:17:15, 0:17:17]: And my whole point is [0:17:18, 0:17:19]: You know, we've had time to [0:17:20, 0:17:29]: work out the language uh in the agreement. It it's unfortunate that we didn't do that. And and I just think that [0:17:29, 0:17:31]: We have to learn how to [0:17:32, 0:17:36]: you know, do those kind of things. When we put a pause [0:17:37, 0:17:40]: We just have to work and get those things done. [0:17:41, 0:17:41]: Um [0:17:43, 0:17:58]: I know an attempt was made uh from um a member of the board to reach us to to to get our concerns. So basically, Mayor, it it's unfortunate that it it didn't happen. [0:17:59, 0:18:11]: But going into Mr. Garner, going into these kind of details here at this forum right here, right now, I I I just don't think it's appropriate when [0:18:12, 0:18:14]: Іно, ви в had the time to do this. [0:18:15, 0:18:18]: Now it didn't happen, so I don't know where we go, but [0:18:19, 0:18:20]: Um [0:18:21, 0:18:23]: А тенквиз. [0:18:24, 0:18:26]: To work those differences out. [0:18:27, 0:18:28]: Before we get here. [0:18:28, 0:18:35]: And and that's my only concern today is that we did not work those differences out. And now here we are again. [0:18:36, 0:18:37]: Speaking. [0:18:37, 0:18:39]: The same kind of language. [0:18:40, 0:18:43]: And dialogue that we spoke at the last meeting. [0:18:43, 0:18:48]: And we did not vote on at that meeting because we said [0:18:48, 0:18:50]: We were going to [0:18:50, 0:18:53]: Correct the language in the agreement. [0:18:53, 0:18:54]: That's correct. [0:18:54, 0:18:56]: And and and and that didn't happen. [0:18:56, 0:18:57]: So [0:18:57, 0:18:59]: But here we are again rehashing. [0:19:00, 0:19:01]: The same [0:19:01, 0:19:21]: conversation, the same language. And it just it it it just rubbed me the wrong way. And Mayor stand by second. And and and Mayor, I I I I yield back. Okay. But uh but uh Mr. Gardner you laid out what the process would look like in in this diagram here and by if we follow that particular diagram I would think that we'll be clear [0:19:21, 0:19:38]: in reference to how the flow flow how flow goes dealing with retail strategy and dealing with the the county and rest of the cities. And I I'm personally once again in in favor of this process. I don't know whether or not and I know Mr. Um Quentin is going to check into [0:19:39, 0:19:59]: The inquiry that we just gave him tonight, whether or not how you can go about doing that in this aspect, whether or not it's even legally possible is what I understand. If can we do this, what the request was, and because of two public entities. And obviously you need time to do that uh in this aspect, but I would hope that uh that we could uh on [0:19:59, 0:20:19]: based on him finding out and uh hope that we can go forward with this process and uh and uh join the county in reference to this uh retail strategies process. That's what I hope this aspect. Uh I think it'd be a good thing for us to do overall because it's a win win. I look at it as a win win for us all. Anyway, just need to say that. Yes ma'am go ahead please um councilman Thomas I want to address your [0:20:19, 0:20:19]: Yeah. [0:20:20, 0:20:32]: You're exactly right. And it was mentioned, uh I did mention to one of the people on the board there, as well as the other board members saw, the changes that I would like to see. [0:20:32, 0:20:35]: So it was mentioned and nothing has been done about it. [0:20:37, 0:20:47]: And I have not been contacted by the main person at all. So I did mention it and um it's in writing and nothing has been done about it. [0:20:50, 0:21:10]: Mayor if I could continue. Go ahead, please. Let me just say this in response to Councilman Thomas. We let's make it very clear. We had the several days went by, there was no communication, then we started to reach out. I sent the first email myself. Mr. Marshall responded, and then we started to have conversation and we got it off the ground. So [0:21:09, 0:21:29]: I sent out an email wondering why no one had reached out to us and then uh that's when the conversations actually got started. So I thank Mr. Marshall for actually participating in getting the ball rolling as far as we're concerned. So that certainly was the desire for us to move things forward and we attempted to do so. [0:21:29, 0:21:49]: But you know, initially we were told, you know, this is it, this is all we're gonna do. Yeah, and then but conversations have continued, and uh I I just really thought that if it was agreeable tongue among two people in Georgia, we was okay to go ahead and sit down and write something up to uh that effect. Uh in [0:21:49, 0:22:09]: And again, I'm not interested in what they have not asked for the protection we did. So I'm not interested in a mutual agreement. I'm issuing an agreement that we've asked for that language to be adopted to protect us. No one has brought to our attention any uh negative comments or anything that we have made uh in regards to a [0:22:09, 0:22:29]: Discouraging business to be done with the development authority. So that's kind of where we are. So what I want to do here is just kinda to move the needle forward in saying the things that we want. I agree with uh councilwoman Gantt in that I want somebody to be able to just clear cut to approach us. [0:22:29, 0:22:30]: Yes. [0:22:30, 0:22:50]: independently because some people do approach us independently for us to be able to work with them independently. So if the city manager can tell us that somebody can approach us independently and there will not be any outside interference, that's where we are. We don't and the the word exclusive does not mean that we have to turn over e [0:22:50, 0:23:03]: Even initial contacts to the development authority. That's the question. And and the answer to that, based on my conversation with the chair Chair Culpepper was yes. If if we if there's an entity that we're in discussions with which [0:23:04, 0:23:08]: We are in discussions with an entity right now, that retail entity. I mean, there's really nothing [0:23:09, 0:23:11]: That Henry County Development Authority can do. [0:23:11, 0:23:13]: as it relates to that entity, right? [0:23:13, 0:23:27]: Um, they do not induce retail projects because the retail project would have to be valued so high that they don't typically do that. So that lays it always squarely in our hands to be able to [0:23:27, 0:23:31]: make that deal happen. Um as to better not [0:23:31, 0:23:31]: You know. [0:23:33, 0:23:40]: um Mr. Culpepper or Mr. Marshall or Mr Finn would say anything to to discourage that. [0:23:41, 0:23:51]: I I think if that happens to it's a huge disservice not only to to the city of Stockwritch, but it's a huge disservice to the to Henry County because if that entity choose not to come here, we all lose. [0:23:52, 0:23:57]: Right. If that sales tax go to the city of Riverdale or to to [0:23:58, 0:24:18]: Wherever outside of Henry County, we all lose. That we lose that development, we lose the sales tax, we lose the employment opportunities, we all lose. If it comes here, we all win. Because whatever that sales price in terms of what that development would do, we share in about fourteen percent of that sales tax that comes to this city to provide to [0:24:17, 0:24:21]: pay for services that that we render to the citizens. So [0:24:21, 0:24:31]: You know, my understanding of it is, you know, if an entity comes to us as we have one that's coming to us right now, no one's involved in that other than us, the city. [0:24:31, 0:24:50]: Mayor Ford. Do it. Not finishing. Now, if we do that, I I just wanna make sure that we have some protections in this that that is that will be spelled out. Mr. Gardner says he thinks that that is the case. Is there some legal language in there that dictates that that would be the case? [0:24:51, 0:25:11]: We can put that in there. Right. So that's what I I I'm asking for that language to be put in there that that would make sure that we are legally protected if an entity came to us, that we could work with that entity, and that you would go forth and look to make sure that uh it that uh what whatever was legal in terms of the [0:25:10, 0:25:30]: Non-disparagement or non uh negative comments. You want a carve out directive that would say anybody that comes directly to the city of Stockbridge. Right. The city of Stockbridge can talk to outside of the retail strategy. [0:25:30, 0:25:31]: Yes. [0:25:32, 0:25:40]: And then to make and that would be that would be one part of it. And then counseling again, you would want what else in the agreement. [0:25:42, 0:25:58]: No, I d that's it. Yeah, just in in in general, if you know, no interference bas basically that there is no exclusive um agreement that says that all retail must go through H C D A. [0:25:59, 0:26:19]: Okay, and then I can have Mr. Marshall come to the microphone. Stand by. Stand by. Mr. Blount. I haven't finished my question. Stand by, please, sir. You'll get your question. Stand by. Stand by. I have two times to speak. Stand will you calm down for a second? Stand by please. Mr Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. Mr. Garner. [0:26:20, 0:26:20]: Yes, sir. [0:26:21, 0:26:25]: This is the one that came to us. This is ten thousand dollars, right? Yes, sir, sir. [0:26:27, 0:26:32]: We're sitting up here going thirty minutes over ten thousand dollars about what if this happens negatively. [0:26:33, 0:26:35]: What if something happened positively? [0:26:36, 0:26:38]: For the city. What if the positive part happened? [0:26:39, 0:26:40]: What if there's a relationship is built? [0:26:41, 0:26:50]: What if we get more retail? What if we get more income coming into the city? Why don't we look on that side of it for$10,000? [0:26:51, 0:26:55]: We're going thirty minutes whether we're gonna have a relationship with H C D A. [0:26:55, 0:26:57]: For ten thousand dollars. [0:26:58, 0:27:01]: We're we're we're we're going thirty minutes in. [0:27:02, 0:27:05]: But it's ten thousand dollars. If it goes south. [0:27:05, 0:27:08]: We leave it alone. We're not tired of this. [0:27:09, 0:27:11]: If it goes south, we can leave it alone. [0:27:12, 0:27:17]: But if it benefits us, we benefit greatly from it as a city. [0:27:18, 0:27:19]: For ten thousand dollars. [0:27:22, 0:27:30]: Mr Mr. Thomas, go ahead. I'm coming back to Mr. I'll come back to you in a second. Mm Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. Mr. Gar. [0:27:31, 0:27:32]: Yes. [0:27:33, 0:27:36]: This is the point I'm trying to make and and and it's about process. [0:27:36, 0:27:37]: Um [0:27:39, 0:27:40]: Mr. Marshall. [0:27:41, 0:27:42]: Reached out. [0:27:42, 0:27:45]: And he tried to attempt to reach out to all of us. [0:27:46, 0:27:50]: to get our concerns. A and this is the point I'm trying to make. [0:27:51, 0:27:55]: And it you know, we're we're we're directing you, we're directing the city attorney. [0:27:56, 0:27:57]: This is the point I'm making. [0:27:58, 0:27:59]: From the last meeting. [0:28:00, 0:28:15]: This item should not have been on this agenda if we still have these concerns and we still have these things to iron out. That that's what I'm saying. You know, Mr. Marshall tempted, you the city manager. [0:28:17, 0:28:23]: These things should have been worked out. You should have communicated well now let me not put this on you. [0:28:23, 0:28:30]: But communication should have gone out to make sure that all of our concerns. [0:28:30, 0:28:33]: was confirm and clarified. [0:28:34, 0:28:44]: We should not be here going through this when we've had a whole month at from the last meeting to do that. And I'm just talking about a process now. [0:28:45, 0:28:56]: This item should not have been on this agenda if there were still questions and concerns about the relationship. And that's all I'm saying. [0:28:56, 0:29:05]: And I'm not talking about a dollar amount, this, that, and the other. If we still had concerns about the partnership and the relationship, [0:29:06, 0:29:18]: This should not have been on the agenda. Those things should have been exhausted. So we could have come here and in two minutes we could have raised our hand and been done. If all of those things would have happened. [0:29:19, 0:29:30]: before this meeting. So I'm talking about a process. Well here we are now directing you and directing uh our set attorney to do this, do this, make a clause for this. [0:29:31, 0:29:34]: It just it's just it it's not productive. [0:29:34, 0:29:48]: Mayor, thank you. No problem. Mr. I'm sorry. No, I I think we may be able to move the issue based on they submitted a pre they submitted a pre resolution for us from Kenry County. [0:29:48, 0:29:50]: We can make [0:29:50, 0:29:59]: a couple of edits to this now. If that assume what you all say about the car route, take the word exclusive out of it. That's right here. And you all can pass the night and we have progress on it. [0:30:00, 0:30:05]: Okay. Ms Ms. Alexander and Mr Mr. Marshall, you're here, sir. I believe you need to [0:30:07, 0:30:11]: Yes. We're gonna go through this. Anyway. [0:30:12, 0:30:26]: See, because things weren't didn't happen like Councilman Thomas described. Mr. Marshall and I talked as late as this afternoon to go ahead and iron these out. The things that I've just talked about, we discussed them on the phone this afternoon. [0:30:26, 0:30:46]: And he seemed agreeable to those effects. He's done a lot of j lot of work trying to move this forward. So I want to move it forward. I want to go ahead and uh uh and and do those two things as we've agreed upon, which is uh you know, to make sure that uh we can work independently and that um you know there's no negative marks for target. [0:30:46, 0:30:53]: targeted toward us. Mr Marshall, you we talked on the phone. You were generally agreeable to that, correct? With all of the work you put in. [0:30:54, 0:30:57]: The mic's on this side, sir. On this side. The mic's on this side. [0:30:59, 0:31:15]: Yeah and uh uh Councilman Alexander, if I could just make a statement first and then I can address your your question if you like. Okay. Uh first of all, my name is Charles Marshall, address 140 Somerset Hills, McDonough, Georgia, and resident of the city of Stockbridge. [0:31:15, 0:31:35]: I'm one of six board members of the Henry County Development Authority and was appointed by Chair Colada Harrow to serve in that position. As you know, one of Chair Harrow's main goals as a chair is to form a strong partnership between the county and its four cities to grow our communities into a thriving, robust center for better economic growth. [0:31:35, 0:31:39]: growth and an improved quality of life for all of our residents. [0:31:39, 0:31:53]: She formed the mayor's and chairs organization, which uh I don't know if some of you are familiar with that. I'm sure the mayor and uh city manager is are. But she formed the mayor's and chair organization to bring this idea. [0:31:53, 0:32:00]: What's the point of order? Mr. Marsh, I I I I appreciate that. What's the point of order, sir? The point of order is we're going through right now [0:32:01, 0:32:03]: What the chair of Henry County has done. [0:32:04, 0:32:08]: And going through all that has nothing to do or germane. [0:32:09, 0:32:12]: To the subject at hand. Why don't we get through this? Okay. [0:32:13, 0:32:14]: We'll we'll say the wheel. [0:32:14, 0:32:25]: We're sitting up here and I don't w and and and I'm not saying you are m Mr. Marshall. I don't want any perception that we're politicizing our meetings. Okay. [0:32:26, 0:32:46]: This has nothing to do what was being said right now has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Or what uh uh uh uh c uh chair callada, uh the chair's accomplishments and all that that has nothing to do with what we need to do right now. Uh thank you for that. Mr. Marshall, continue on please. [0:32:46, 0:32:50]: Okay. And I appreciate your comments, uh uh [0:32:50, 0:33:10]: Uh Councilman Blount. I was just trying to give some context as far as how the retail strategy came to existence, also to include the city officials, the mayor, and the city manager, as far as knowing how we came to this point. So I'll uh it's just very brief, uh, Councilman Blount. So she formed the mayor's and chairs organization, bring this idea to free. [0:33:10, 0:33:30]: The organization included four mayors and city managers of the four cities, Stockbridge, McDonough, Hampton, and Locust Grove, along with the County Chair Harold and County Manager. The meetings were facilitated by the Henry County Development Authority and hosted by Chairman Irv Culpepper and our Executive Director, Josh Finn. One of the ideas of the County [0:33:29, 0:33:33]: came from this organization was the Retail Strategy Initiative. [0:33:33, 0:33:35]: We're all agree [0:33:35, 0:33:42]: That by working together we could bring our retail development infrastructure to the level of its full potential, as for the county and the city. [0:33:43, 0:34:00]: So we set out to develop that strategy and brought in a consulting group by the name of Retail Strategies, and I think y'all have all had that got information on that particular company to assist in developing this strategy. All four cities and city uh and county officials reviewed the plans. [0:34:00, 0:34:05]: with the consultant group and agreed to move forward. So uh we're here [0:34:06, 0:34:07]: At this point [0:34:07, 0:34:13]: And let me say this: I have contacted most of you on the council along with the mayor and the city manager. [0:34:13, 0:34:33]: And I've expressed to you that we have a good opportunity to work together. That's on one track. We have another track that has to do with personalities pre uh predominantly, I guess, within our organization. And I have a concern with that. I don't want you feeling that nothing is uh uh looked at as far as that being a significant issue. [0:34:33, 0:34:53]: Is a significant issue if you determine that it is. You represent some 36,000 people, and you have an obligation to know that whatever agreements you make, whatever coordination you do with the county through whether it's the Henry County Development Authority or otherwise needs to be done fairly because you do have your constituents to reply to it. [0:34:53, 0:35:13]: Have constituents. We're just an organization to facilitate, facilitate things that we're trying to do. And one of the things is this strategy. So I have made that a point with the Henry County Development Authority. I have talked to Mr. Mr. Culpepper and your concern about one of our employees, the executive director, Josh Finn, making comments and maybe [0:35:13, 0:35:15]: [2116.3, 2133.7]: Between us working together as we should, I've made it a point to have him put that on the agenda for discussion, full discussion. I've got the letter from you, Councilwoman uh Gantt uh from uh your uh DA chair. I've also talked to uh the person you referred me to in Hampton. [0:35:34, 0:35:54]: Uh the councilman Cleveland, I think his name uh is. And I've agreed to and he has agreed and I've agreed to talk together and see what the problems were in that situation because obviously he said the same thing similar to some of you are saying that maybe there was a personality issue that caused them to vote it down, even though everybody is saying this retail. [0:35:53, 0:36:02]: Strategy initiative is something that might be good, like Chairman, like uh Councilman Blount is saying, it may be good for the city. There's advantages there. [0:36:02, 0:36:18]: We are gonna have that executive session meeting. All of your points will be discussed. I've got already I've already talked to some of the members of the board because we don't get all the information that you that you're uh getting in the field when you talk to different people. [0:36:19, 0:36:37]: I promise you if I can know about it, if you can tell me about it, I'll bring that to the board again and we'll get to the bottom of whatever these these personality conflicts are. I want you to rest assured that it's not going uh on an enlightened path, that we think that maybe some of the things and concerns you have are things that don't matter. [0:36:38, 0:36:39]: They do. [0:36:39, 0:36:59]: And we are going to discuss those things, but we want to stay on track with the retail strategy initiative. Mayor. Okay. Let me let me let's Mr. Watson has something to use. I think this may move it. If you all go to your agenda to the tab where the resolution for mayor and council of the city of Stockbridge is, we can make the edit now. Madam Clerk can take it down, and this can be the directive that goes back. [0:36:59, 0:37:19]: To them about what our intentions are. And on point number two, we can just say the HCDA shall serve as a coordinator of the project and shall provide the mayor and council periodic progress reports of the activities of the consultants on at least a quarterly basis. [0:37:19, 0:37:26]: This agreement, as contemplated, still allows for businesses and retailers to directly work with the city, period. [0:37:27, 0:37:28]: Okay. [0:37:28, 0:37:38]: So that's that sounds good. I hope that makes the qualifications for the concerns that the council members have at this point. Uh one more. [0:37:40, 0:37:41]: I do, thank you. [0:37:42, 0:38:01]: I just wanted to say this is not about um money. I don't care if it was twenty-five cents. Understand, it is more about protecting the city. I took an oath to represent and do the best I can for the best interest of the city of Stockbridge. [0:38:02, 0:38:08]: This is a wonderful idea. We've all said that. And thank you, Mr. Marshall, for being very diligent. [0:38:09, 0:38:27]: you contacted us immediately and you got on to w what was actually going on. And I don't wanna I I keep hearing the word personality conflicts. I don't really think that's personal. I think this is business. And one of my biggest concerns when when dealing with business is [0:38:28, 0:38:40]: Yes, it does sound like a minimum amount, ten thousand dollars. But in the long run, we're talking millions of dollars. Millions of dollars that we're wanna make sure that we're not being overlooked. [0:38:40, 0:39:00]: Or being punished for not accepting it right away, or based off of things that have been said in the past. We want to make sure that our interests are protected. And what that means is we don't want someone circumventing and trying to stop a business relationship that is directly between the city and that industry. [0:39:00, 0:39:20]: Individual or someone saying they have exclusive rights to retail only, as if no no one else can talk to retailers. And so that's my concern. It's not about$10,000, Councilman Blount, because$10,000 as a part of [0:39:19, 0:39:39]: The whole big scheme of things is actually millions and millions and millions of dollars of retail that Stockbridge could be overlooked. And it's not about what if we don't get any results, you know, in a year. It's sometimes acquisitions and mergers and purchasing property and actually relocating. [0:39:39, 0:39:59]: And branding and different types of entities going into a particular area or re buying up an old shopping center and revamping it or whatever takes quite some time. That's not to say that Stockbridge would be on the radar. Our point is, based on experience, we wanna make sure [0:39:59, 0:40:14]: that Stockbridge's interest is at heart so that there's no interference so no one hears, oh, I hear that shopping center A just called our, you know, Stockbridge's Development Authority. They didn't call HCDA. [0:40:14, 0:40:19]: I don't want the interference of someone just getting on the phone and saying, Hey, no, you're supposed to call us. [0:40:19, 0:40:30]: You know, that's all I'm talking about. And that's worth way more than ten thousand dollars. It could be a penny and I still would say no if it wasn't done properly. [0:40:30, 0:40:50]: All right, Mr. Alzheimer's, go ahead, please. Let me just say this. Thank you, Councilwoman Gantt, for those comments. I concur and understand that uh, you know,$10,000 might is a lot to all of our citizens, especially as we try to tighten our belt as we move through this. But I do want I thank you, Mr. Marshall, for coming here. You didn't have to come here a second time. I want to go [0:40:50, 0:41:10]: Go ahead and make a motion to approve those changes that are uh incumbent to move this uh positive agreement with the city moving forward that have been described by the city attorney. Okay, and I trust Mr. Marshall and Mr. Culpepper to make sure that they protect the interests of the city of Stockbridge. Well, he's making a motion accept that, but I would imagine do you need to read it back in in order to do that? [0:41:10, 0:41:23]: My comment when I made the comment about ten thousand dollars. [0:41:24, 0:41:26]: Because I'm gonna agree with Councilman Thomas here. [0:41:28, 0:41:32]: It took us five minutes to tell you what to mend this with. [0:41:32, 0:41:33]: Five minutes. [0:41:34, 0:41:37]: That could have been done prior to this meeting. [0:41:38, 0:41:42]: And when it came to this meeting, it should have been are we comfortable with the money? [0:41:43, 0:41:44]: And yes or no. [0:41:45, 0:41:46]: That's why I mention it. [0:41:46, 0:41:56]: We can use a diversion and say all this and all you want to. If there was an amendment to be done that only took five minutes, we've been doing this now almost forty five minutes. [0:41:57, 0:41:59]: That was put back on the agenda. [0:42:00, 0:42:04]: This is why I mentioned ten thousand I thank you for that information, Mr. Marshall. [0:42:05, 0:42:22]: But you but you have to see my position here is that we're sitting here for forty five minutes when in five minutes this could have been taken care of and in ten minutes we could have done voted by now. That's why I mentioned the five thousand uh ten thousand dollars because that should have been the only issue now. [0:42:23, 0:42:25]: versus why we table it the first time. [0:42:26, 0:42:33]: All right, let's let's go forward. So read could you read this back in order to make sure we got it right and clerk's got it so everybody understands? So what do you have here, sir? [0:42:35, 0:42:50]: On number two under there now therefore it is resolved that the HCDA shall serve as a ex as a and we take out the exclusive so it shall serve as a coordinator of the project. [0:42:51, 0:43:02]: and shall provide for and shall provide the mayor and council periodic progress reports of the activities of the consultants on at least a quarterly basis period. [0:43:03, 0:43:07]: disagreement and all contracts as contemplated [0:43:08, 0:43:08]: Talma. [0:43:09, 0:43:21]: still allows for businesses and retailers to directly work with the city, period. Okay. So is that a so some some move for you, Mr. Alzheimer? So second? Second Mrs. Gan second on favor please indicate? [0:43:23, 0:43:29]: All okay, this is a unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Let's move on. Thank you, Mr. Marshall. Appreciate your time here, sir. You can stay as long as you like. [0:43:30, 0:43:31]: New business. [0:43:32, 0:43:52]: Okay. Council consideration to approve a request for Vulcan materials for their team of Vibra Tech and Amoni Martin Associates to study quarry blast induced structure response at the city of Stockbridge elevator water tank. The study will cost will be no cost to the city. Personnel presented by OL. [0:43:52, 0:43:55]: Well I guess uh Mr Aaron, you got this, sir. Please. [0:43:56, 0:44:16]: Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council. Thank you. Come to you tonight asking for approval of Bible Tech to conduct seismic activities and monitoring at the city's water tank, one million gallon water tank. They currently have seismic instrumentation located within the ground around the tank, but they also want to start monitoring the tank itself. [0:44:15, 0:44:29]: itself to see what the effects of the blasting at the quarry has on the water tank. And so that data will be presented to the city in a report as well so that we will have information on the impact of the blasting. [0:44:29, 0:44:34]: Mayor. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. I'd like to move the approval that the uh we allow the Balkan materials [0:44:35, 0:44:50]: And their team to do uh the work on the uh Corey Blast introducing Ms. Barber mo motion approved, sir second. Ms. Barber second, in all favor please indicate. Okay. Okay, four. Four votes, Mr. Thomas. Okay. Okay, good thing. Prank appreciated. Pass. [0:44:51, 0:45:08]: four zero. Uh council consideration to approve the repurf uh repurchasing purposing of uh two million two hundred and forty two thousand one hundred and sixty dollars from T S PLAS to resurface Walt Stevens Road and Mount Zion Parkway. Mr Aaron, please. [0:45:08, 0:45:28]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. I was informed prior to the meeting that there is another option for accomplishing this task, and that is the money for the Reeds Creek Trail extension. I was informed that money for that project can be used because the developer is gonna extend that trail. As you're well aware. [0:45:28, 0:45:48]: Since we became the custodians of Walt Stevens Road and Mount Zion Parkway, we've received numerous complaints from citizens traveling through the cities on those roads. We've fixed approximately 67 potholes on Walt Stevens Road since January the 1st and another 47, 48 on Mount Zion. [0:45:48, 0:45:55]: Zion, those have always been issues in the seven years that I've been here, but they fell under the authority of the Henry County [0:45:56, 0:46:09]: Board of Commissioners under the service delivery strategy. But with the recent annexation and the change in the service delivery strategy, those roles are now under the authority of the city of Stockbridge. So this is a way to [0:46:09, 0:46:25]: fix these roads permanently so that we alleviate the pothole concerns. As we develop a process to and to uh assess the recently annexed roles, we're working on those so we know that we're gonna have some other major roles that need [0:46:26, 0:46:46]: to be improved or resurfaced. As I was telling some of the staff today, I said it's like a baseball player. We've got called up from the minor leagues to the major leagues. We've gone from maintaining just residential subdivision roads. Now we got major thoroughfares we gotta maintain. So we're asking for your approval to resurface Mount Zion. [0:46:46, 0:46:59]: partway in Walt Stevens Road. Mayor. All right, one s one second please. But so otherwise uh obviously you want us to approve this, but the other funding you were talking about that you've just found out earlier can be utilized for some other road resurfacing project, I'm assuming. [0:47:00, 0:47:02]: Is that right? Yes sir. Okay. [0:47:02, 0:47:04]: All right, uh [0:47:10, 0:47:13]: [2834.1, 2834.6]: Yeah. [0:47:16, 0:47:36]: You guys good now? Anything else right now? No. Okay, Mr. Alexander, go ahead, please. Yeah, see, this is where progress comes in at. We were looking for money to identify for Walt Stevens. I'm glad you put it on the agenda. Because earlier today we were having discussions about it, and we realized that when we approved the flip and road project, [0:47:36, 0:47:56]: We had a$2.8 million T-SPLOST project to build that trail, but the developer is gonna build it for us. So now that$2.8 million is available to do this paving, to pave the$2 million, and then there's$800,000 that might be available for Valley Hill or East Atlanta or other projects as well. [0:47:56, 0:48:16]: Because we took the step to approve that. Now we freed up nearly three million dollars to do other projects. So this development on Flip and Road has had a cyclical effect to be able to approve your project. And I'm I'm done. Thank you. Yeah. Okay, good deal. Miss again, go ahead, please. Thank you, Councilman Alexander. Um and thank you, Ms. [0:48:16, 0:48:30]: Mr. Deshus and Mr. Gardner for fining those funds. Um, it has been a challenge and I just what is the estimated cost of repairing to permanently fix those roads? [0:48:30, 0:48:35]: It's the two point two million dollars. They they're gonna completely resurface Walt Stevens Road and Mount Zion. [0:48:36, 0:48:40]: partway from Clayton County line to Highway one hundred thirty eight. [0:48:40, 0:49:00]: Right. Well you definitely for those of you who haven't been in the area, if you ride that road, Clayton County smooth, brand new, paved, nice, and you get to us and it is bumpy and we are dodging potholes left and right. And a lot of that comes from if you just come by on the weekends, um [0:49:00, 0:49:20]: The traffic is backed up on the interstates now and they use everyone knows the back road. And that back road just happens to be Spear Road to Walt Stevens, or they get off at Mount Zion and come all the way down Mount Zion, all the way down, and they're passing by two or three exits and getting right back on the interstate. And it has [0:49:19, 0:49:39]: Become so bad that people have started making songs. It's all over the social media. And we've even received an anti-Latum notice about it at one point. So we definitely need to do something. And I really, really, really appreciate the city for stepping in and trying to find fun. [0:49:39, 0:49:59]: Funds to get this done. It's unfortunate that the roads were in repair needed for years now. But when we inherited those roads, as well as other roads that we have to fix, but these right here are in dire need and have [0:49:59, 0:50:15]: caused a lot of um concerns. So I for our safety, I would ask that I have the support of mayor and council and I would like to make a motion to approve this. Stand by for a second please though. Mr. Thomas. Thank you. [0:50:15, 0:50:25]: Uh Mr. Aaron, uh thank you again for entertaining the questions that I had before as we uh spoke on this agenda item. [0:50:25, 0:50:45]: Uh would you speak to the citizens on Davidson and just to ensure them that uh they are still funding to complete the you know the the sidewalks on Davison that leads up into the commercial area. And I think that's that's important for them to know that [0:50:45, 0:50:48]: Um, that steal will be completed. [0:50:49, 0:51:09]: Yes, sir. We s we still honor that commitment that we have listed in the T-SPLOST. Like I say, those roads have already been resurfaced. They were resurfaced in twenty twenty one Old Atlanta Road and Davidson Parkway. So we will complete the sidewalks and do those things on Davidson Parkway and Old Atlanta Road that we said we would do and that we're out. [0:51:09, 0:51:10]: Land and the T Splast. [0:51:11, 0:51:16]: Ms. Gantt, go ahead please. Okay, thank you. Mayor I would like to make a motion to approve [0:51:17, 0:51:37]: Is there a second? I'd like to make a second. I would like to have a d one additional comment as well, if I could. Go ahead. Yes. Okay. Go ahead with your discipline. It's very important because right before we got in here, I had gotten talked to Commissioner Neat Robinson. Now before [0:51:37, 0:51:57]: As Councilwoman Gantt has indicated, we received very little support from the county commissioner. Matter of fact, Miss Councilman Commissioner Robinson is gonna meet with the city manager. She's gonna sit down and talk with him about all of the priorities in the city, including uh paving Walt Stevens to see if there's any [0:51:57, 0:52:17]: money to be able to help us. So not only will our funding be available, but now a new thing will be happening. Some county funding could possibly be available. And she says she'll have a town hall here in Stockbridge to talk to our residents and to talk about the assistance that she could provide. So let me say this again. [0:52:17, 0:52:25]: And I appreciate uh Commissioner Neat Robinson reaching out saying that she wanted to help the city of Stockbridge. And that's something new that we haven't seen before. [0:52:26, 0:52:46]: All right, motion was made in a second. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. Thank you very much. All right, 5-0. And council is new move on. Council consideration to approve the renewal, renewal of request for proposal, RFP, number 2022-0006. On call general engineering services for the city of Stockbridge. [0:52:46, 0:52:49]: with Falcon Design Consultants L L C. Mr. Aaron, please. [0:52:49, 0:53:06]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. We come before you tonight asking for a renewal of the contract agreement with Falcon Design LLC as one of the city's on-call engineers. Falcon Design LLC currently oversees around thirty projects for the city of Stockbridge. They're also the project managers for our [0:53:07, 0:53:14]: T splotts program. They've got multiple T Splash programs projects that they're working on, such as the neighbor neighborhood. [0:53:14, 0:53:16]: Stormwater project and [0:53:17, 0:53:22]: And uh Councilman Thomas's neighborhood also the sidewalks on Tide Street. [0:53:22, 0:53:42]: Some other sidewalk projects that they're working on for the city. So we just want to keep moving forward in a positive direction. We're getting projects done. Oh Ms. Gantt? Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve this um request for renewal of the RFP number two thousand twenty-two-six. [0:53:42, 0:53:57]: All in favor, please indicate? Outstanding. All right, five o'clock. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Count. All right. Thank you, sir. Council consideration to approve IGA intergovernmental agreement between the City of Stockbridge and the Downtown Development Authority. Mr. Lawrence, please. [0:53:59, 0:54:19]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Uh Kim Alons, Economic Development Director. Uh the item that you have in front of you today is the intergovernmental agreement with the Downtown Development Authority and the City of Stockbridge. Over the past few months, we've been working with the DDA on um codifying our relationships. Uh all the uh clauses and um [0:54:19, 0:54:39]: Items in this agreement are things that we've already been uh doing uh with the uh DDA. Um this particular agreement outlines our relationship with the DDA, um funding and support that the city provides to the DDA and also DDA services to the city, including uh working on downtown revitalization. [0:54:39, 0:54:44]: and development. Um I am ready to take any questions that you may have. [0:54:45, 0:54:48]: Any questions for I just want [0:54:50, 0:55:10]: You have shepherded this through and you've been patient. You had it on the agenda. You've been in constant conversation with both legal entities and what have you. So I certainly want to go ahead and move forward with approval so we can actually uh go ahead and get uh some more these transactions moving through downtown. [0:55:09, 0:55:12]: at a at a smoother, efficient pace. [0:55:12, 0:55:32]: Okay, so you're making a motion to approve that, sir? Okay, is there a second? Ms. Gantt second that? No. Okay, I'm sorry. Okay, I'm sorry. What's your question? I'm so sorry. Before I I'll second in a minute, but in the funding sources on page four, it says um in Article 3, it says that the city city shall provide the funds of the DDA for its operating budget in that. [0:55:32, 0:55:41]: Amount of twenty thousand dollars annually. And I have known that DDAs at some point become self-sufficient without the funds of the [0:55:41, 0:56:01]: the government without the funds of the city or municipality. When they initially start, they do and they build up. But if m money ha money hasn't been spent or and you know you just constantly giving out money, I'm trying to figure out and twenty thousand dollars is minimum for this particular entity. I'm not against it. [0:56:01, 0:56:04]: But I don't know if I wanna use the word shall. [0:56:06, 0:56:09]: Anybody have any objections to taking out the word shall? [0:56:11, 0:56:20]: Mr. You got a question, sir? Yeah. Uh what is the budget what is the budget of the D DA right now that they have? What what budget do they have right now? [0:56:21, 0:56:31]: Uh the DDA receives forty five thousand from the city annually, twenty thousand is used for operating budget and twenty five thousand is used for a facade program. What is the account now? [0:56:32, 0:56:34]: That's what you killed. [0:56:34, 0:56:46]: Yes. The w what is the balance that they what what how much money does the DDA have right now? I'm not sure. Mr. Wiggins, sir. Come to the podium podium, please. [0:56:53, 0:57:09]: You wanna know how much cash Yeah, m what is the ba because and the the reason I'm a yeah, the reason I'm asking that is that because if we were supplying forty five thousand a year, what expenditures have they done over the years we've been doing it to what balance do they have right now? [0:57:10, 0:57:30]: To for us to because I'm a I'm in agreement with Councilwoman Gantt, cities that we see other cities that DDAs get startup money from the city, and then they become self-sufficient because then they start to to do their own bunding. They start to become their own entities, separate but a part of the city. [0:57:29, 0:57:41]: So if the D DA now has a a balance enough to s to to do that, which I would like to know what the balance is, why are we still budgeting the DDA when they could when they should start moving towards self-sufficient? [0:57:43, 0:57:49]: What uh Mr Gardner, obviously you're moving, so you have an answer to the question I would imagine. [0:57:52, 0:57:55]: We don't know what they're stacked the market, they don't know they don't. [0:57:58, 0:58:05]: Um real quick, uh Councilmember member Blount. Um I think the number's somewhere between [0:58:06, 0:58:10]: Eighty and and a hundred and twenty I think is in there. It's hard because I wait a minute, wait. [0:58:10, 0:58:14]: We don't know. Let me finish. [0:58:14, 0:58:25]: If I can please. Because Mr. Garner when we start talking about I think it's between a hundred eighty and a hundred and twenty, why don't we have numbers when when we're bringing these items to us to to answer the questions? [0:58:26, 0:58:32]: Good. Respectfully so it Mr. Swigger. This was this was an IGA, obviously, and [0:58:34, 0:58:42]: My bad that I didn't foresee that you that it would be a question asking the bud as relates to their um what their current balance is in their account. [0:58:42, 0:58:46]: Because I know that they've been drawing on that money as part of the study that they've been doing. [0:58:47, 0:58:48]: As it relates to the downtown. [0:58:49, 0:58:56]: that they've been overseeing um when I got here. Um we now have a director, obviously, and to be quite honest, um [0:58:57, 0:59:07]: I've worked with numerous D DAs and downtown development authorities typically stay under the under the purview of the city. Um in the cities I've worked in and I've worked with them. [0:59:07, 0:59:15]: Um they've they've not been self sufficient. But I think with the fact that we have so many downtown properties, and I've had this discussion with with the council. [0:59:16, 0:59:36]: That as we transfer these properties over to them and they're able to then sell these properties, part of what held up the agreement was to have some type of profit sharing between us and them that would get them to sufficiency, right? So if we turn over these some of the downtown properties, because the city itself shouldn't be in the real estate business, right? These are the entries. [0:59:36, 0:59:56]: Entities that allow for us to do transactions to make those land deals. And with that, if they sell it, we get a certain portion, they get a certain portion. At some point, yes. If we can get them to that point where they're self-sufficient, they can be able to start to move and make deals on their own within the downtown. [0:59:56, 1:00:01]: That's not here yet for this DDA. Um as you guys know, I mean we've had a low for a little bit. [1:00:02, 1:00:05]: Uh, we've gone about seven, eight months without a director. [1:00:05, 1:00:07]: Um after Mr. Um [1:00:07, 1:00:12]: Peterson. Peterson left. Um and now we have Mr. Lance who as you know he's been bringing [1:00:13, 1:00:33]: uh a lot of his cool ideas to this council about moving downtown forward as well as us getting the TAD in place. But I will be able to get that exact number what's in their account um from them and hopefully get it tonight before we leave to share with you. Yeah my follow up uh if you will maybe Mr Gardner and and Mr Gardner. [1:00:33, 1:00:40]: Mr. Gardner. Yes, sir. [1:00:41, 1:00:44]: [3644.6, 3654.1]: When you when you talk about the transfer of properties, uh and and whatever land whatever, you start to move uh it's the same way they did in Madison. [1:00:54, 1:01:06]: Uh that was startup money so that they can deal directly with the banks, so they can deal directly with loans or bundles or whatever needed to be done. And that became a rotation to them until they needed the city. [1:01:07, 1:01:10]: To bring in funding to further move something else along. [1:01:11, 1:01:13]: But we're looking at between eighty to a hundred and twenty. [1:01:14, 1:01:15]: That range. [1:01:15, 1:01:30]: Then we're not at a point. Until those expenditures are needed and those properties are transferred and then they start to move in those areas. But to say that this gonna become a [1:01:30, 1:01:31]: Uh uh uh [1:01:31, 1:01:35]: M mayor c sa hod on mayor, at some point in time. [1:01:36, 1:01:41]: We gotta get order on this coun on on this dice where when someone's speaking [1:01:41, 1:01:43]: People just have to listen. Okay. [1:01:43, 1:01:48]: Continue conversation. Well I'm I'm I'm asking you to get on. Okay. Continue conversation, sir. [1:01:48, 1:01:51]: And so I understand I understand that portion of it. [1:01:52, 1:02:06]: And so that still and that part do concern me that we're talking about almost that that we're we're annually funding an entity that's building enough funds that i i I don't know if a consultant is needed or whatever's needed. [1:02:07, 1:02:27]: to start them to move into what we're saying as a city, about the properties and about all that, to to to start that revolving of of uh evolving, if you will, into what the the entity needs to be for is downtown in the development area and all those things. So so you're correct. I'm just saying and forgive me for interrupting you. [1:02:27, 1:02:45]: it just it it it just bothers me sometimes when I'm asking for numbers or figures. I don't you know I just I'm I just I just needed some numbers. Yes sir and and we'll we'll be able to get that number and and you you you're correct. Um you know this down our downtown development authority is going to be in a very [1:02:45, 1:02:46]: Um [1:02:47, 1:02:55]: pristine position um as we move forward with the implementation of our downtown plan and and the TAD study. [1:02:55, 1:03:03]: because obviously they'll be the ones doing some of the transaction as it relates to those properties and development that we all envision in the downtown area. [1:03:04, 1:03:06]: Um we have the RP out now, so this will help. [1:03:07, 1:03:09]: did once we're able to transfer this property over to them. [1:03:10, 1:03:17]: And the deal is done, they get a portion. So at that point they can start moving independently, but you know, acquiring properties or making deals on other [1:03:18, 1:03:23]: on another areas aspects, you know, we just talked about the need for a parking deck downtown. [1:03:24, 1:03:27]: In light of the amount of activities that we've been having here at our venue. [1:03:28, 1:03:48]: Right, there's a need for that because what's happening is a lot of our downtown as we now see activities in our downtown business with frozen smoke and and the barbecue place, there's limited parking for their patrons. And then when we have concert, there's competition between those patrons and those concert goals. And so hopefully that's [1:03:48, 1:03:53]: down the road, you uh my goal is to see us doing just as good as Madison or even better. [1:03:54, 1:04:14]: than what you see happening in Madison. But that obviously we're I think we're on that trajectory. Um and as I go, obviously we'll be having our budget budget discussions um in a few weeks. We can talk more about that and have a little bit more data available about, hey, what level of funding do we truly want to to give to them in light of what we will be potentially turning [1:04:14, 1:04:23]: turning over to them, um, what would they need to then come off of of the city and then be that self sustaining agency. And I think if everything happens, that can happen next year. [1:04:24, 1:04:44]: Yep, with saying that, just a follow-up, we're saying that is this agreement, is that in lieu of what's been provided or addition two? Well, right now they've they fund they're funded at 45 for FY23, right? We're in the process of developing the FY24 budget. You know, right now we are [1:04:44, 1:04:47]: have a proposal to have them at the same level of funding. [1:04:47, 1:05:01]: Um, like I said, that's a discussion we can have at the budget retreat as to what level of funding in light of what what they currently have in their account and then what we're in terms of the land that we're gonna turn over to them and the potential for them to reap some additional rewards from that. [1:05:02, 1:05:08]: will be able to say, Hey guys, you know, that twenty thousand or that twenty four don't need to happen anymore because now you've got [1:05:08, 1:05:17]: You've got land which is capital you can sell, and you have a bank account, you can now do some things in the downtown. So so you're saying this is [1:05:18, 1:05:20]: This is an addition to [1:05:21, 1:05:34]: right now. So yes, whatever they have in their banks is what they got. So no I got that I'm saying so in in what I'm saying moving forward, I'm just don't want to make this sound convoluted. What I'm saying moving forward for twenty twenty four [1:05:34, 1:05:38]: This is not additional two. This is what you're saying that we're gonna budget. [1:05:38, 1:05:48]: Yeah. So right now they're they're asking for us to budget them twenty, which is less than what we were proposing to budget them, which is twenty five less than, right? Um [1:05:48, 1:06:06]: So hopefully at the budget retreat the discussions we will have is okay, we have a number of properties downtown Stockbridge that we want obviously to get off of our books, but we also want them to be able to sell to for development opportunities. And if those things come to pass, those properties are transferred. [1:06:06, 1:06:08]: And they're able to make those deals. [1:06:09, 1:06:11]: We get whatever that percentage is. [1:06:11, 1:06:12]: Um [1:06:12, 1:06:24]: You know, and they're able to get monies off of that to continue working. With that in mind, we can then throttle down the amount that we're actually giving them because they're actually making money off the deals that they're doing and becoming more self sufficient. [1:06:25, 1:06:28]: Can I can I ask then why are we putting a number on it now? [1:06:28, 1:06:48]: When we can always when we can add it later, I'm just curious on why we're putting the number. Well, it's an agreement that obviously we we you you want to make sure they're in a pos they're in a g not just a good position, but an excellent position. Um, realizing that as they compete for properties, they're gonna be competing against private people to acquire some of these pre and they might give [1:06:48, 1:07:05]: get outbidded on some, they might win some, depending on how, you know, what properties they're going after. It's good to know that they'll have a cushion to be able to do that, especially as you if it's relate to strategic properties that we would need to that they would need to acquire, that they have the capacity to be able to acquire those properties. [1:07:06, 1:07:17]: All right, so on that note, counsel, obviously when your teammates is speaking, you should listen, hopefully not disturbing in that process. You want the same type of due respect when you're speaking as well. On that note, Miss Gantt do you have something you need to say? [1:07:18, 1:07:38]: Thank you. I'm I'm all for the DDA as being previously on the DDA. I'm very aware of the potential. Um since recently we really hadn't given out many facade grants or anything. I'm glad to hear that it's the the amount has increased. [1:07:38, 1:07:45]: and hopefully the word gets out on the street that hey we got some money here to help you, you know, spruce up your facade, right? [1:07:46, 1:08:03]: Um, that's been talked about for a while and I was like, let's just at least send postcards out to each business. Um, but I say that because I think the point I'm trying to make is in this agreement, it says shall. All I want is the word shall out of we have to give you money. [1:08:04, 1:08:15]: we have to give you this dollar amount every year. I just think that shall should be eliminated in both areas where it says we have to give it to you. I agree that we should continue giving it to them. [1:08:15, 1:08:22]: But I don't want to ever lock myself down as a government entity with the word shall. Does that make sense? Okay. [1:08:23, 1:08:33]: Does that make sense? It's on page four, section three oh one, clause A and B. Just take out the word sat shall. [1:08:34, 1:08:38]: I'm all for giving the D D A continuously money until we need to. Yeah. [1:08:39, 1:08:48]: It is what it is. Uh stand by a second. Mr. Thomas, you have a comment, sir? Well, I was just I was trying to get us back on track to uh misses Gantt's uh [1:08:48, 1:08:57]: concern and I was just asking the word so I see on page four the word share and I just wanted to get back to that. I think you said it was two [1:08:57, 1:09:01]: Yes. Um on a facade grant and operating budget. [1:09:04, 1:09:24]: The word shall is on there for so that sentence basically take out the word shall the city shall provide the funds of the D DA for its operating budget in the amount of twenty thousand dollars annually. And we just need to say the city shall the the city will provide or may. We can use the word May. May May is the right term. From from share. [1:09:23, 1:09:25]: Yeah to me. [1:09:26, 1:09:28]: Change from shell to May on both. [1:09:28, 1:09:29]: And that's it. [1:09:30, 1:09:35]: Okay. So you you want a motion on that? Mr. Alexander, you had a comment? [1:09:35, 1:09:55]: Uh yeah, let me say this again. Uh and let me just go back since the discussion has continued. The DDA now is doing more than it ever did because we didn't have any activity in downtown until we moved forward with uh the amphitheater, and now we have it. The last thing we want to do is to starve them of any protection. [1:09:55, 1:10:15]: Potential revenue, as Mr. Gardner has said, to be able to purchase. And Mr. Swiggert will tell you that I was beating the drum on facade grants at the last meeting to get them out. And Mr. Alliance has also uh upped it. So now that the business will be eligible for uh$10,000 instead of$5,000. [1:10:15, 1:10:35]: In order to move forward. So I'm certainly agreeable to change the word shall to may and uh to solve this particular issue so we can move forward. This agreement has been out there for about a year and a half now. It's our fault that things haven't moved forward. We keep getting this kickback, kickback over and over and over again. [1:10:35, 1:10:47]: We need to move it forward to show them we're in partnership with them in order to move agreements like this ahead. So I want to make a motion to move forward with the edited language, including the word may. [1:10:47, 1:10:53]: All right. Is there a second to motion? I second. All in favor of the motion please indicate. [1:10:54, 1:11:00]: Enam decision. Okay, thank you very much. Appreciate it, gentlemen. Alrighty, so [1:11:01, 1:11:09]: Council consideration to amend the city of Stockbridge Code of ordinances to provide a Stockbridge Business Partnership Board. Mr. Lunch, please. [1:11:11, 1:11:31]: Alright, good evening, Mayor and Council. Um the item in front of you today is part of our BRICS initiatives. And uh at the last meeting in uh June the council approved our uh BRICS initiatives which include these uh program. Uh basically we hosted a small business uh meet and greet. [1:11:30, 1:11:50]: Back in May for a small business week, and we had overwhelming support from the business community, and we want to continue that. We want to provide an opportunity for our businesses to nurture relationships and also get some B2B transactions. So we think that with this particular business partnership, we're able to accomplish. [1:11:50, 1:12:05]: that. So what you have in front of you today is uh basically uh an ordinance creating a board uh that will be uh part of our uh economic development efforts. With that being said, I would like to take any questions that you may have. [1:12:06, 1:12:08]: Any questions counsel from Mr. Lantz? [1:12:11, 1:12:14]: If no questions, I need a motion to accept this uh proposal. [1:12:14, 1:12:17]: So moved. Okay, there's s Ms Gantt, so moved there a second. [1:12:18, 1:12:22]: Second. Mr. Blount second now. All in favor, please indicate. [1:12:24, 1:12:27]: Okay, four four votes. All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you. All right. [1:12:29, 1:12:38]: And once again, council consideration to demand the city of Stockbridge Code of Ordinances to provide for a keep Stockbridge beautiful board. Mr. Lawrence, please. [1:12:39, 1:12:55]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Uh the item that you have in front of you um today is an ordinance creating a Cape Stock Bridge Beautiful Board. Our department was tasked to uh research opportunities for um the city to uh consolidate and um [1:12:56, 1:13:14]: find affiliations with the uh Keep Georgia Beautiful Foundation and Keep America Beautiful. And this is the first step in doing so. Uh we need to make it a community wide effort and creating this um board is the first step. So with that being said, I would like to take any questions that you may have. [1:13:15, 1:13:29]: Okay. Mr. Blount, we have a question, sir. Didn't the city didn't the city, didn't we just hire someone to seek out grants in different areas for the city? In various areas, Mr. Gardner. Or Mr. Um [1:13:35, 1:13:41]: Yes, sir. We do Didn't we didn't we just h hire someone to do it? Yes, she's been on board for a year now. [1:13:42, 1:14:02]: So all we have to do is say what areas we want to seek grants in and that person become that becomes uh on the scope of grants this seek out from this person we hired. Well we also we also use um a grant program that actually gathers all the grants to come in and if they're pertinent to a specific department, we're able to identify. [1:14:02, 1:14:22]: And to tell that department, hey, this is available to you. I know some of you guys also send us information, but we also get it through our system. And so we're able to then determine with the department head, is this something that it's needed or viable for us to go at. Obviously that person reviews the qualifications because every grant that comes out, we're not eligible for. [1:14:22, 1:14:31]: it might look like we are, but then when you get through the nuts and bolts of it we're not. But yes, that person is on board to assist with uh grant writing a and the administration which [1:14:32, 1:14:40]: Grant writing is the easy part. The part is staying in compliance with the requirements under those grants is where the difficulty comes in with grant administration. But we have someone Yes, we do. [1:14:42, 1:14:45]: Any other questions for Ms. Alantz? [1:14:46, 1:14:48]: I have not in a motion to accept this proposal. [1:14:51, 1:14:52]: Is there a motion? [1:14:54, 1:14:55]: Was there a motion? [1:14:56, 1:14:58]: Okay. [1:15:00, 1:15:01]: I'm at someone. [1:15:01, 1:15:03]: All right, Mr. Sanister, second to that motion. [1:15:04, 1:15:05]: Ah, se okay. [1:15:06, 1:15:09]: Okay, Mr Thomas Eckendan, is there any further discussion? [1:15:10, 1:15:12]: I have I have one. Yes, ma'am. [1:15:13, 1:15:26]: What's what's the purpose of this board? I mean I mean literally we have Keep Stop Rich beautiful campaign by Councilman Thomas. We have a beautiful campaign by Councilman Alexander. [1:15:27, 1:15:29]: What what are we doing? Why are we [1:15:30, 1:15:32]: Why are we creating more board? Sure. [1:15:33, 1:15:53]: So uh what we were tasked to do as a department was to do research to uh try to um find ways that we can uh consolidate all of our efforts. As I mentioned, um at last time we presented this, the city has done a tremendous job at actually having those programs where we have keep [1:15:53, 1:16:13]: Stockbridge Beautiful, which in order to use that official name, we have to be affiliated with Keep America Beautiful or Keep Um Georgia Beautiful Foundation. And for you to become affiliated with them, it has to be um a community-wide effort. So you have a couple of [1:16:13, 1:16:33]: Of um options. You could create a 501c3, a separate entity, or you could actually create a hybrid entity, which is a 501c3, but also a city board. So in talking to them and in doing our research, we found out that this particular option. [1:16:32, 1:16:37]: is the best for us at the moment because it provides us an opportunity to [1:16:37, 1:16:42]: create the organization, build the capacity, and then once it [1:16:43, 1:16:59]: has the capacity to operate on its own, it will d go ahead and operate on its own. The five one C three will allow us to seek funding from different entities uh for the activities, whether it's recycling campaigns, whether it's community cleanups. Thank you. That's that's fair enough. [1:16:59, 1:17:19]: And uh just to bring this up, we're right now talking about different boards. We're creating these new boards. One time we got away from boards, now we're bringing boards back. This time, once we get these boards up and going, please please keep in mind that we now have districts. So I would hope and expect that each board would represent [1:17:19, 1:17:39]: A member of each district to be fair across the board and not just in one particular area. So I would hope that there's enough board appointments for each category, for each and every single district to have an appointment. Yeah, this particular board has nine members. [1:17:39, 1:17:51]: members which we anticipated that we would have one representative for each uh district and we also have a we have two positions that will be uh appointed for staff. [1:17:52, 1:17:55]: Okay, thank you. Yes, go ahead, Mr. Blanc. [1:17:55, 1:18:07]: That that board has nine members, but you have um several boards with three years and then the last few with two years. [1:18:08, 1:18:14]: Uh and then the board shifts. If we're looking at what Councilwoman Gann is saying. [1:18:15, 1:18:26]: what members get the first three years and then ha or who gets the two years and who has to shift. I don't understand because it's a little convoluted for me and I agree with the boards because [1:18:27, 1:18:32]: It's been stated just a while ago that we do have the capacity as a city. [1:18:32, 1:18:35]: to reach out to any grants toward beautification. [1:18:36, 1:18:56]: Uh we we have we're we have contracted people around the city with that in mind and what we and uh Mr. Aaron with the uh public works is in line with what we want for beautification. So we're not lacking in those areas for what we want as a city. I'm just trying to say what are we trying to get to with an with the statue. [1:18:56, 1:19:00]: of a board when we have those capabilities right now anyway. [1:19:00, 1:19:13]: And now it it it it it gets a little more convoluted because now you're saying that we have districts now. There are five separate districts. So now how do you take this and make it fair for each district? [1:19:14, 1:19:16]: That's not that's not in this. [1:19:17, 1:19:20]: Nothing's in this is is is showing you how you're gonna do that. [1:19:22, 1:19:42]: So a couple of things. Um first, as it relates to this particular board and to this particular effort, um it is a community focused board. Um and what we were asked to do was try to find a way to not only uh create something that would have more community involvement, but that [1:19:42, 1:19:54]: That could also open doors for other funding opportunity. And I think by having this board, which will be a five oh one C three and once it becomes sufficient enough and it can operate on it. You say ask to do by who? [1:19:58, 1:20:00]: Can you repeat? [1:20:01, 1:20:03]: I'm saying I'm just trying to figure out where did all this come from. [1:20:04, 1:20:21]: By no I'm sorry? No, I'm gonna say by the state. Who who directed you, I guess? So the directive was um for the economic development department through research opportunities to become affiliated with Keep Georgia Beautiful Foundation and Keep America Beautiful. [1:20:22, 1:20:42]: But I keep saying, but I'm saying, who's the directive? Where did you get the directive from? The directive came from me to the department head to research this. We we've been operating under uh keep Stockbridge Beautiful, right? Um, as I mentioned to you in our early conversation, being part of a city, the city of East Point, where [1:20:42, 1:20:47]: Вервигад Кіп Іспой Бітифо на енеті да воркт акрос алборд. [1:20:47, 1:21:03]: all the city departments from public works to sanitation and all of that to and with volunteers would do work around the city, not in any one area, but throughout the city in the in in their efforts to to beautify and keep the city um clean. [1:21:03, 1:21:20]: Um, that's in addition to obviously what we do. But as a 501 C three, which we are not, they have access to additional funds that we don't have access to as a city government that they can bring to bear to assist in these efforts. So as we look, it's a force multiplier. [1:21:20, 1:21:21]: Right. [1:21:21, 1:21:27]: So we're able to do certain things as as an entity that's affiliated with the national and the state. [1:21:28, 1:21:36]: they're able to get on as a 501c3, they have access to to activities and funds and resources above and beyond where we as a city can do it. [1:21:36, 1:21:39]: And so when I got here last year [1:21:39, 1:21:45]: And it was this keep Stockbridge beautiful and I had a conversation with the council member and I said, Hey, this is not affiliated. [1:21:46, 1:21:46]: Right. [1:21:47, 1:21:56]: I if if if we're truly and want to endeavor on a keep Stalkbridge beautiful, there is a program nationally and statewide that we can participate in. [1:21:56, 1:22:01]: Right, there would gun more resources to bring to bear to do just that city wide. [1:22:01, 1:22:21]: All right, and so based on my experience in working with one of those entities, um, not just here, but also in the city of of Griffin, working with that entity, I saw, hey, this is a way for us to be a force multi to be a force multiplier to help us move forward with keeping the community b beautiful. In light of what we're doing, there's still more because guess what? [1:22:21, 1:22:28]: I get complaints from y'all all the time about, well this didn't get done or that didn't get done or this needs to be there, so this need to be addressed. [1:22:28, 1:22:30]: It's a for to us, to me. [1:22:31, 1:22:37]: It was a it's an opportunity to be a force multiplier. But but let me say this, the city has not the city [1:22:37, 1:22:44]: has not been operating under Keep Stockbridge Beautiful. There's no funding that we've done in the city. [1:22:44, 1:22:55]: toward keep we we've done money we've done funding toward uh beautification for the city that's done by contractor. Key Stockbridge Beautiful is a council member's initiative. [1:22:55, 1:23:01]: So this is not something that the city's been operating on. We've been operating with funding for beautification. [1:23:01, 1:23:09]: I want to make that clear. We haven't been operating out of that, and and Mr. Uh Alexander has done a great job with with his initiative. [1:23:10, 1:23:12]: He's done things on Hudson Bridge Road that looks better. [1:23:13, 1:23:17]: But the city itself has not been operating under Keepstock Bridge Beautiful. [1:23:18, 1:23:27]: We've been uh we've been funding beautification for the city, as well as Mr. Mr. Thomas has Don't Trust Stockbridge. [1:23:27, 1:23:47]: The city's not operating under Don't Trash Stock Bridge. It's his initiative and he's doing a good job with it. It's not us it's so everything is under the city, but we're not operating under Keep Stock. We operate under the funding of beautification. That's right. Uh stand by please. [1:23:47, 1:23:50]: Okay. [1:23:50, 1:23:56]: I'm in agreement and I wanna approve this. I just want to make one comment and hopefully the attorney [1:23:56, 1:24:16]: Is our attorney here? Yeah, he's present. Okay. Our attorney and Mr. Um Gardner can put this on our next agenda. And that would be a across the board way that board members are appointed. Um and that is for now that we have particular districts, we can have some type of policy in place. [1:24:16, 1:24:19]: and procedure for that because [1:24:19, 1:24:22]: If we appoint someone and we're no longer [1:24:22, 1:24:23]: On this cancel. [1:24:24, 1:24:24]: Then [1:24:25, 1:24:45]: I feel like it would only be right that that new appoint appointed person, that new elected person will have a right to appoint who they want as well. So I just wanna make sure that we get something concrete and if we can put that on the next agenda so it can go across the board or next two weeks or next work session. Yes, ma'am, we could do that. Definitely. [1:24:45, 1:25:01]: That'd be that'd be helpful to us as well. Thank you. Mr. Thomas Gway, please. Yes. Uh I I I agree. I I don't have an issue now. I know this is the the agenda item is about the board, but since we sort of went into the conversation, uh I just wanna speak to the fact that [1:25:01, 1:25:13]: going forward and going into the future is for beautification and don't trash stockbridge under the umbrella of beautification for the state. Um both of those programs are listed. [1:25:14, 1:25:32]: The thing about trash and litter and the and illegal dumping, uh, it's a man-made problem, but it happens all over the city, not in one district. It's all over the city. So I agree and uh and Mr. Alonso and I had this conversation about the difference in [1:25:33, 1:25:37]: planting shrubbery and mochin and those kind of things. [1:25:37, 1:25:54]: and y and the don't litter program is about the litter or the illegal dumping, which is man made problem. So it's an educational component. And so um to respond to Mrs. Gandhi for the board, I I think [1:25:55, 1:26:13]: The board will take an overall approach to to all of this as far as um where you plant the shrubbery, the beautification. But when it comes to um educating folks about litter and illegal dumping, it's all over the place. And you could go to [1:26:14, 1:26:26]: any one district and you'll see litter and you'll see illegal dumping. So and I think where we're from my understanding is correct where you're trying to go as far as the future [1:26:27, 1:26:30]: with the city of Darbridge in beautification is that [1:26:30, 1:26:38]: This initiative and you know under economic development is gonna lend itself to beautifying the whole city. [1:26:38, 1:26:58]: And as far as educating the whole city about the ills effect of litter, illegal dumping. And I would imagine that would be beautification all over the city. And I think it opens it up as you and Mr. Gardner mentioned, you know, with the 501, even with, you know, additional grants and other research. [1:26:58, 1:27:18]: And I think this is where you're trying to go, is to open this up where there are other resources. And I don't have a problem with, but don't trust Stark Bridge coming under the umbrella of the city. And I think Councilman Alexander feels the same. So it would be a city program to educate. [1:27:18, 1:27:19]: Yeah. [1:27:19, 1:27:31]: f people about the ills effect of litter, illegal dumping, and even having beautification projects all over the city. So I I I think it's a it's a way that we are moving toward the future. [1:27:32, 1:27:34]: And and I and I think it's great. [1:27:35, 1:27:37]: Mayor, I yield back. Thank you, sir. No problem. Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [1:27:38, 1:27:38]: Um [1:27:38, 1:27:40]: Yes. So [1:27:41, 1:27:47]: I do support this idea. Um, it's a great way for us to get funding from the state. [1:27:48, 1:27:53]: and additional resources that we may need. One of the things that I am concerned about though is [1:27:55, 1:27:56]: District four. [1:27:56, 1:27:58]: In the way in which [1:27:58, 1:27:59]: The lines are drawn. [1:28:00, 1:28:01]: Um it's unique. [1:28:02, 1:28:07]: District City Council District Four um is unique in the sense that it runs [1:28:07, 1:28:10]: Um farthest east of our city and farthest north. [1:28:11, 1:28:13]: It is the district that is most elongated. [1:28:15, 1:28:18]: А не хав неплодис дистрикт Лиз. [1:28:18, 1:28:20]: But what I like to see is [1:28:20, 1:28:21]: For the board, he said. [1:28:22, 1:28:23]: To consider [1:28:23, 1:28:25]: having two representatives. [1:28:25, 1:28:27]: For city council district four. [1:28:28, 1:28:29]: To serve on this board. [1:28:30, 1:28:31]: So that we make sure that [1:28:31, 1:28:32]: Um [1:28:33, 1:28:40]: Both sides of the district is represented. That's what I'd like for us to consider. [1:28:41, 1:28:50]: Thank you. All right, so our motion has been made in the second, it's was that's my understanding, correct? We did we and emotion is uh made in the second. Okay, so no further discussion. All favor the motion please. [1:28:51, 1:28:55]: Yeah, before we vote uh and I'm for it, but I'm saying are we going is that [1:28:57, 1:29:11]: Is that till we draw the line show how we're gonna be able to add people? You just voting for it as it is? Yeah, as it is right now at this point, but we have we're gonna bring back some additional guidelines and reference. Mayor Ford. Uh yes, ma'am. If I can add um [1:29:12, 1:29:15]: If we are able to add just an amendment. [1:29:15, 1:29:30]: to this motion for this particular item to ensure that city council district four includes two representatives as opposed to one. I know this is a non member board, you said. [1:29:30, 1:29:34]: Correct. Okay. So if two of those members [1:29:34, 1:29:37]: can be from district city council district four. [1:29:38, 1:29:47]: I'd be fine with that. Well, if we can add that as a condition. But the motion was made by me. Okay, so then Mr. Alexander would have to accept that and it'd have to be a second. I say that [1:29:47, 1:30:02]: It it would be would it be fair? My district is all over the place. I mean I got seventy five, I got like it's all over the place. I got here, there and everywhere. Then everybody would have two members of the board. Right. So is it necessary to have two memb I mean [1:30:03, 1:30:23]: I I ru I hear what you're saying, but I'm not sure whether we need to have two members in every district. Okay, well what I would say too, we had made motion and we had a second, so let's go forward as far as and then we'll deal with this later. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. All right. Okay. All posed? Abstain? I will abstain. Okay. Four zero one. All right, we'll move on. Thank you. Mayor [1:30:23, 1:30:40]: Therefore I just asked so Councilwoman Gantt's request to bring a policy forward on the next meeting. I think that would be included in that, correct? Well that's that's that's a separate separate directive. It's not part of this particular motion. It's a separate directive, and I'm I'm pretty sure that [1:30:40, 1:30:50]: The council understood that and I'm pretty sure that city manager's gonna do this no problem. I don't think it's necessary I don't think it's necessary to make a vote on that. Yeah, I'm okay with it. Okay. I think we'll be fine. [1:30:51, 1:31:04]: All right, no problem. Uh let's see here. Uh council consideration to fill a vacancy to appoint a member of the planning commission to fill an unexpired term through twelve thirty-one, twenty twenty-four. It says Mr. Ryan here. Uh [1:31:06, 1:31:07]: So is this you, Mr. Gardner? [1:31:09, 1:31:10]: All right. [1:31:24, 1:31:40]: And once again, typically one of these appointments we ta take the executive session, but I mean if if the council's uh no problem with this, if they don't have a problem with this, we I guess we can just go forward with it. Is that is if that's this point? Is there more than one candidate for There's only one candidate in each one of these coming up, that's my understanding. [1:31:47, 1:31:56]: So mayor and counsel, we have one one applicant one um applicant that wants to serve um on the planning commission, Mr. Jaden uh Williams. [1:31:56, 1:32:08]: Um he's currently employed with the city with uh Clark Atlanta University, um, resides uh on Misty Misty Ridge Trail in the city of Stockbridge and has volunteered to serve his time on the planning commission. [1:32:10, 1:32:15]: Okay. Uh any questions concerns council? I have not any motion except uh Mr. Williams. [1:32:16, 1:32:36]: For his position. So moved. Ms. How's that? Ms. Howzdown secondhand. All flavor, please indicate. Okay, it's unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. I just want to state for the record, he is currently at an intern and his last day will be the twelfth. So he will not be um with the city. So that [1:32:36, 1:32:40]: There won't be a conflict when it's time for him to be sworn in in August. [1:32:42, 1:32:58]: Okay. Okay. For the record. Thank you. Sure. Appreciate it. And I know you'll work it out with the time frame and me just where I'm in. Okay. Correct. Good deal. Thank you very much. Council consideration to fill vacancy appointment to a member of Downtown Development Authority Board on a fill the unexpired term to twelve thirty-one twenty twenty-three. [1:32:59, 1:33:19]: And it's got Mr. Lance here. Okay, sir. Go ahead, please. Uh good evening, Mayor and Council. The request that you have in front of you is to appoint uh Mr. Warren Washington, which is he's the owner of Frozen Smoke in the downtown area, and he has applied to be a member of the uh downtown development authority. [1:33:19, 1:33:39]: And um with that being said, I would like to take any questions that you may have. Mayor. Yes, Mayor. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Uh certainly I spoke with Mr. Washington as well and encouraged him to apply because we need to fill that uh role. So I'd like to make a motion um uh nominating Warren Washington to fill the vacancy on the downtown development. [1:33:39, 1:33:59]: Authority. Ms. Gantt second that. Okay. All favor, please indicate. All right. Thank you, gentlemen. Ple uh thank you, Council. Mr. Ross, thank you, sir. All right, to announce it to upcoming uh meetings and events. Uh council meeting will be held in council chamber, city, city, council chamber. Meeting dates, location, times are subject changed. Please visit the city website. [1:33:58, 1:34:10]: www.stobbridgega.org or the city's Facebook page or contact city hall offices at 770-389-7900 for meeting updates. [1:34:10, 1:34:30]: And for the rest of the analysis, meeting of the council for the public for a public hearing. We have a public hearing for millage rate uh increase, 9 a.m. City Council Chambers on July 27, which is on Thursday, 9 a.m. in the morning for a millage rate public hearing. Public Planning Commission meeting, 6:30 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, 4th. [1:34:30, 1:34:50]: Thursday of each month, July 27th. The Citywide Development Authority meeting second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. the City Hall Levi Meeting Room, August 8th. The Main Street Advisory Board meeting second Friday of each month. The Welcome Center located 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, 9 a.m. August 11th. [1:34:50, 1:35:10]: City Council meeting second Monday of each month at 6 p.m. City Council Chamber August 14th. Uh Council meeting 6 30 p.m. second Monday of each month City City Hall Levi Meeting Room City Hall at uh August 14th. Downtown Development Authority meeting, third Tuesday of each month. Welcome center 130 ML King City. [1:35:10, 1:35:30]: Senior Heritage Trail, August 15th. Youth Council Advisory Committee meeting 6:30 p.m. third Tuesday of each month. Levi Meeting Room City Hall August 15th. Planning Commission meeting 6:30 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers fourth Thursday of each month, August 24th. And a City Council Work Session meeting last Tuesday of each month at 6th. [1:35:30, 1:35:50]: P.M. City How Council Chambers August 29th. And for upcoming city events and initiatives, join us for Food Truck Tasty Tuesday, 5:30 to 8:30 PM, Clark Park, uh Community Park, 111 Davis Road. Lots of food, great fun, activity for everyone. Tonight happens to be Greek night, and it ends it at uh [1:35:50, 1:35:53]: eight thirty, so we got a little less than an hour left. Okay. [1:35:53, 1:36:13]: John join Mayor Pro Tem Barber for a free Zuma every third uh every Saturday, 8 a.m. beginning 6th of May at Gardner Community Park on East Atlanta Road. Join Councilman Thomas or Don't Trash Stockbridge Initiative centered around education highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping. More information to follow on that. [1:36:13, 1:36:33]: Councilman Thomas's Army Veterans for a continuous salute to all all year long. Uh please send your pictures of veterans with their names, branch, rank, and years of service to R. Rawls and City of Stockbridge-G A dot G-O-V. Join Councilman John Blount for Bingo Batch Wednesday, August 16th from 10 a.m. to two uh to noon. [1:36:33, 1:36:53]: Merrill Manner's Conference Center located at one hundred eleven Davis Road. And join me, Mayor Ford to meet the mayor on Monday, august twenty eighth from ten AM to noon. And please contact Ros and Rawls to schedule an appointment at six seven eight eight three three-three three four eight or by way of email on Rawls at City of Stoppers Dash G. [1:36:53, 1:37:13]: Now get your kit and tickets, of course, for the upcoming 2023 Stockbridge concert series by visiting StockbridgeAMP.com, StockbridgeAMP.com. Or in person at the ticket office located at 4650 North Henry Boulevard Thursday through Saturday from 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. Once again, you can get your tickets to the ticket office with [1:37:13, 1:37:14]: Well, we're not going to be able to do that. [1:37:15, 1:37:35]: Forty six fifty North Henry Boulevard, Thursday to Saturday from one PM to five PM. And by the way, for all for August, we have August fifth, the OJs, the Whispers, and Johnny Gill, and this is the last round for the OJs. That's a Saturday. August twelfth, we got Patty LaBelle in vogue, and Patty's return uh to City of Stockbridge. She had her part of our [1:37:35, 1:37:55]: our grand opening back uh in September twenty twenty one and August nineteenth there's Tower of Power and Ohio players. So and by the way folks if you didn't you you missed it, if you didn't come around to the concert this weekend, you had uh we had uh Cameo and a zap in the city on on Saturday and obviously as I've been informed, I missed this one. Zap threw down. [1:37:54, 1:38:14]: Tore it up. So you you missed it, folks. And so did I, if it makes any difference to you. But that's all right. We'll come back next year, right? We'll check that out. And on Sunday we had Boys and Men and Brownstone, and Brown Boys and Men had a wonderful time and did and uh even though it rained on us a little bit, but uh had a great concert with the boys and men as well. Now, for any additional comments, of course, uh comments. [1:38:14, 1:38:34]: COVID 19 is still out there, so hopefully you have your boosters and vaccinations and you're you're healthy and want you to be around and and uh be healthy. And let's see here. And a back to school event that happened uh this weekend was successful here at the amphitheater along with uh certain co uh with with our youth council. [1:38:34, 1:38:54]: That worked out very well. As a matter of fact, Saturday on the 29th of July, 9 a.m. There's a massive praying for all the schools in Henry County. And looking forward to they're looking forward to an outstanding outstanding school year. But each one of the schools in Henry County will have a preacher or a minister praying. [1:38:54, 1:39:14]: Praying for the school at nine AM on Saturday, so you wanna join in on that, pick a select a school and go there and pray with them for an outstanding school year. And on that note, Council, I I don't have any executive session uh um second executor session uh message, so I would imagine we will be adjourned for tonight. If that's the case, I need a motion to adjourn. [1:39:14, 1:39:17]: So moved. Is there a second? Second. Okay, on fair, please indicate. [1:39:18, 1:39:20]: Outstanding good night everybody. Anyone to see.

--- title: Public Hearing 1 for Millage Rate date: 2023-07-18 source: 2023-07-18_Public_Hearing_1_for_Millage_Rate.wav --- [0:03:38, 0:03:43]: I I know Miss Ms Washington. Uh Madam Clerk, are we about ready to go? [0:03:57, 0:03:58]: Yeah. [0:04:05, 0:04:13]: We're good. Okay, good. All right, appreciate it. All right, ladies and gentlemen. I have we'll have a special call meeting for our village [0:04:14, 0:04:17]: rate discussion. Uh this is uh Tuesday. [0:04:18, 0:04:20]: July eighteenth. [0:04:20, 0:04:24]: July eighteenth at and I have nine oh five and like to call this meeting to order. [0:04:26, 0:04:31]: All right, on a note, um Mr Blount, uh invocation please, could you please stand? [0:04:39, 0:04:59]: Dear Heavenly Gracious Father, we come to you this morning. Thank you, Lord, for your grace and we thank you for your mercy. We come, Lord, asking that you would continue to guide us and keep us as we make decisions, Heavenly Father, as we move this great city called Stockbridge forward. We thank you for all that have come today, God. We ask that you would continue to bless and cover the leaders of this great country, Heavenly Father. [0:04:59, 0:05:00]: And this awesome city. [0:05:00, 0:05:20]: We ask Heavenly Father you continue to keep us in all that we do, all the decisions that we make, and let it benefit the citizens of the Stockbridge, Heavenly Father, and continue to cover our minds and continue to put the safety upon us in this city. Cover those that are grieving right now, Heavenly Father, from hardship. Heavenly Father, loss and mourning of any uh such anything that they're mourning about this morning. [0:05:20, 0:05:40]: in heavenly father continue to keep us we thank you law for the staff and community and it's in jesus name we pray amen amen pledge allegiance pledge allegiance to the united states of america to republic from one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice [0:05:40, 0:05:41]: This is all. [0:05:42, 0:05:44]: Roll call, Madam Kirk. [0:05:48, 0:05:54]: Mayor Ford? Present. Mayor Proton Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. [0:05:54, 0:05:56]: Councilman Blount. Present. [0:05:56, 0:05:58]: Councilwoman Gantt. [0:06:00, 0:06:11]: Let the record reflect Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a quarrel. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh Council, I need the motion to adopt current agenda for today, please. [0:06:12, 0:06:20]: So move. Okay, Mr. Blount. Sir I got uh some okay Mr. Alexander, I got you, sir. All in favor, please indicate. [0:06:20, 0:06:34]: Thank you very much. All right, on that note, this is a public hearing, proposed millage rate, property tax increase. And we'll start off uh with uh presentation by um Mr. Gardner, our city manager. [0:06:37, 0:06:47]: And uh just a special note here, we do have the task commissioner, Michael Harris, and his staff are present as well. Uh so welcome back, Mr. Harris and your staff. Thank you, sir. [0:06:49, 0:07:07]: Okay. Good good morning, uh Mayor, Council members. Um today we're here to discuss uh setting of the Miller's rate. Um with that I'm gonna kinda go through a presentation that I did with you guys just a month ago, so but before I get there, I wanna bring Mr. Harris up to talk a little bit about the [0:07:07, 0:07:16]: the setting of a miller's rate and which we haven't done in a number of years here in the city of Stockbridge, and the process by which we got our digest and then I'll turn it and go from there. [0:07:17, 0:07:17]: All right. [0:07:19, 0:07:20]: All right. You want them now? [0:07:21, 0:07:22]: Yes. Mr. Harris, please. [0:07:29, 0:07:31]: We want to talk about it. [0:07:33, 0:07:34]: Okay. [0:07:37, 0:07:57]: Good morning, Mayor. Good morning, Council members. Good to be back again. So many familiar faces. We're excited about the opportunity to partner with the city in this endeavor. I have with me today our Deputy Task Commissioner, Ms. Lynn Cardi, as well as some of our property tech specialists, Ms. Karen Spinks and Ms. Ebony Hambrick. [0:07:57, 0:08:13]: And again, just briefly, it is the role that the county plays in this process. Um, you know, we're attending the Millage Rate hearings for both the county, um, Board of Education, as well as all the cities that have a um have a millage rate in place. [0:08:14, 0:08:34]: You know, so what our role is some once the military rate is set and established, we go through the process of working with the county, with the city staff, um, to make sure that all of the deadlines, all the requirements that the state has imposed are are carried out. I can tell you right now that working with um your city manager and your [0:08:34, 0:08:54]: finance folks um has been seamless as far as the process going forward. Ms. Cole has been wonderful to work with. Because again for us, what's tantamount for us is we we have a set deadline as far as having to, you know, we're constrained by the state. We have to have tax bills out sixty days prior to [0:08:54, 0:09:14]: to their due date. So that would take us to, you know, bills are due November 16th. So by September 16th, everything has to be done. So when we first began conversation some several months back, um it was in reference to you know what are those deadlines, what information do we need prior to um the process beginning so we can ensure that we they that that [0:09:14, 0:09:15]: The um [0:09:16, 0:09:36]: That we meet all of our requirements. Um it's critical, as you can imagine, from a cash flow standpoint for organizations like cities and our school board to make sure that you know bills do out on a timely basis. So um being able to make sure that we have uh the personnel in place and we have the communication between has been critical for us. [0:09:36, 0:09:56]: What happens now we go through the hearing process. Um today represents the first of three hearings that'll take place. Um should the council, mayor and council decide to adopt a millage, at that point we would take that information and we begin generating the bills. We anticipate the we'd send that also. [0:09:56, 0:10:16]: We have to go back to send it to the state. They'd have to go back and review all of our information, our digest information. That entire package is put together by Ms. Cardi and her team as well in conjunction with our tax assessor's office. They submit that to the state, the state reviews, and they subsequently give us a response back saying that we have authorization to move forward with the collection of taxes. [0:10:16, 0:10:36]: Um typically that takes place sometime around the first weekend in August, um by mid-August, and from there we have to work with our printers and our the folks that actually prepare the bills. That's about a two-week process. So again, we try to give ourselves a little bit of a cushion to make sure that we can we aim every year to have bills out by no later than the first of September. So it gives a little bit of a cushion. [0:10:36, 0:10:48]: So that's kind of the timing. Um I will tell you that, you know, the efficiency of the staff over the last several years has yielded a collection rate of [0:10:49, 0:11:01]: ninety eight, we're probably about ninety seven, ninety eight percent in the first year. And that continues to grow over course of time as we continue to move forward with collecting delinquents. So um but I will say, you know, one thing I'm really mindful of [0:11:02, 0:11:09]: Um whatever the perception of the task collector's um task commissioner's office may be, the [0:11:10, 0:11:19]: The good part about what we do is it the how we are able to carry out our work. You know, we are really mindful about working with our citizens. Um [0:11:20, 0:11:40]: Po pre-pandemic, we did a lot of going out outreach, reaching out to senior citizens centers to educate, help further educate, and just advise and give information to all of our citizens, but in particular our seniors, those who have questions about the homestead process, the frozen process, how that affects them, how that impacts. [0:11:40, 0:12:00]: impacts them um and what some of the deadlines are and some of the things they can make sure we want to make sure that they're be able to they're they're able to um utilize and maximize all the available exemptions that they may have coming their way. So that's something we take great set sense of pride in. We work diligently with those people, even those are in our delinquent um stages to help them work [0:11:59, 0:12:01]: Yeah. [0:12:02, 0:12:22]: Again, in this process, we serve as a partner with the city. And you know, as we work through the process of again, should the city opt to move forward with the with the military, then we would um help the the the operational functional part of it. What we don't get involved with is the portion and you know the questions in very [0:12:22, 0:12:42]: that comes how those how those funds being spent. The question and things of that nature that can deferred back to the city. We don't add we don't respond back to city on a response as far as how those funds are being utilized. Obviously those are budgetary questions that the that the mayor and council make determinations on. So that's our role, you know, throughout the process we'll be here with you lockstep. Any questions [0:12:42, 0:12:52]: that that that you may have. Any council members I've spoken the number, I've spoken to the mayor, spoken to the number of council members over the course of over the course of the last few months. So that's what we're here for be here to support any any way we can throughout the process. [0:12:53, 0:12:55]: All right. Uh Mr Alzani, you must have a question, sir. [0:12:55, 0:13:15]: Yeah, thank you, Mr. Harris. I appreciate that. You've been along for this ride with us since day one in twenty sixteen when we were sworn in. I'm no m Mr. Blount and I. So uh we appreciate your public service to the community and know you don't have any role in deciding what the tax is gonna be, potential tax would be you. [0:13:15, 0:13:35]: You're just the facilitator. But you've been doing an amazing job, as you said, you've collected ninety-seven, ninety-eight percent. But what I want uh do is ask a couple of questions if I'm able to to be able to just understand your role in terms of other things. Uh right now, most residents are probably unaware. [0:13:35, 0:13:55]: That you have actually already been collecting a property tax on behalf of the city for police services. A 1.9% millage rate that they have already been paying. They've been paying it to Henry County instead of paying it to the city. But now, since we have our own [0:13:55, 0:14:15]: police force, we have to collect that money. So in one in some instances, in some essence, we really have to implement a millage in order to collect those funds that Henry County has been collecting for us. And again, you've already been paying that one point nine percent already. [0:14:15, 0:14:35]: The county was collecting it for us up until uh very recently. And what actually happened is we had to actually dip back to request the money from the county because they had collected collected it for us since we started uh in the middle of the year. Talk about that process of transferring it over. [0:14:35, 0:14:45]: over to us and how we would have to collect that 1.9% uh ourselves uh versus that and that would require us to implement a millage to correct collect it. [0:14:46, 0:15:06]: Sure. So you're right. Um over the last several years there was a millage incorporated for a you know, and and part of it still remains, you know, for I believe for fire services, I believe the city still relies on the county to provide fire services. So it is a it was last year it was a one point nine something mill. [0:15:06, 0:15:25]: Not a percent of exactly one point nine mil um that was done. My understanding is through the process of the service delivery strategy um um meetings and and and and negotiations, the determination was made that since the city now has their own police force, that they would now um [0:15:25, 0:15:33]: They wanted that taken off since they were providing their own force. Much in the same manner that the city of McDonough, they have their own police force. They don't have uh so to s so the m [0:15:33, 0:15:45]: citizens and city and an incorporated McDonough, they don't pay that millage rate for police either. Police services, but they don't nothing's not providing that service. So it's the same thing. Um [0:15:45, 0:15:52]: So when that negotiatation took place, the one point nine mills went away. So you're right. So as it stands right now, the city [0:15:52, 0:16:12]: That funding mechanism specifically for police that was going to county police previously, that doesn't exist right now within the city's confines. Um so to your point, yeah, it's in order to recoup that back and get back to where the same levels, the same taxation levels you were before, at the very minimum it would need to be at least that one point nine four or whatever. [0:16:12, 0:16:16]: Whatever again, that all comes back to on to your your actual budgetary costs. [0:16:18, 0:16:38]: What that process looks like is kind of what we're doing right now. A determination is made by the municipality to say, you know, this is a, you know, and typically the process is you have your budget, your budget, make the determination on your budget, and you use your those budget numbers. Once the digest is determined, the digest tells you how much you're investing. [0:16:38, 0:16:41]: value of your property is within your respective jurisdiction. [0:16:41, 0:16:55]: From there, you take your assessed value, which is simply forty percent of your of your market value for all your all your all your all your digest um entities, your property, your real, your mobile homes, all those entities. [0:16:56, 0:17:03]: And from there a digest number is determined. And from there you look at 40%. That's the amount, the taxable amount that's available within the city. [0:17:04, 0:17:24]: From there, a determination has to be made on how much your millage rate will be to see, to make the determination of how much of that taxable amount you want to be able to pull back in order to meet your budgetary requirements. So that's the conversation where I guess the county, the city is getting ready to embark on. Um, what type of millage [0:17:24, 0:17:28]: [1049.0, 1069.0]: Absolutely. And um to follow back up on that a little bit dip more detail is that uh last night I personally went to the Henry County School Board Millage Rate meeting. And folks need to understand that the the assessment that they received earlier this year it [0:17:48, 0:17:51]: It didn't include any city tax at all, did it? [0:17:51, 0:18:11]: No, it did not. It did not except for that one point nine percent. So understanding if you had a three hundred thousand dollar house or my home, my taxes were nearly five thousand dollars on that assessment that I received. But none of that was charged to the city. You know, I look at the room now, there's more people in this room than there were in the room. [0:18:11, 0:18:31]: Last night and the school board charges you 60% of the taxes. The city, if a village were to be informated, would be a minimal amount compared to the$5,000 that I would be paying to the county and to the school board. Talk about that breakdown real quick and the how much who pays. [0:18:31, 0:18:39]: pays between the between the city, the county, uh uh and the and and what percentages go to each one. Yeah. [0:18:40, 0:18:41]: What's on your slide? [0:18:41, 0:19:01]: Okay, he's got it on this slide. Okay, we'll we'll follow back up with that. Yeah. And then the the other thing of everything that's collected, yeah, I can tell you about sixty percent of taxes that are collected are are going to the school board. And about thirty seven percent are going to the um to the county. Then you have a [0:19:01, 0:19:05]: a smaller percentage of two mills that's going to the water authority and then within that um [0:19:06, 0:19:07]: Portion of that [0:19:08, 0:19:15]: um county portion is denoted toward the respective cities that have militaries in place. Right now it's just McDonough and Hampton. [0:19:16, 0:19:36]: And then there's also a a exemption for seniors uh for that school board portion of the tax, right? So that would significantly impact them if they did apply for that uh exemption uh for those who are uh of age, correct? Right. The school board [0:19:36, 0:19:37]: [1178.5, 1186.9]: The reduction in the school board taxes begins at age sixty-two and it progresses, sixty-two, sixty-five, sixty-eight, and by age seventy, you're no longer paying any school taxes. [0:19:47, 0:19:52]: Um so you're right, that is in place and that varies from county to jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Um it should also be noted [0:19:53, 0:20:04]: Henry County is unique in that it does have a provision called a frozen provision, if you will, which in essence really just states that the year that you file for your homestead on your personal property, on your home. [0:20:05, 0:20:17]: as your primary s uh dwelling, um, your value is frozen in that year. So if you bought your home in the year 2000 and you purchased it for two hundred thousand dollars. [0:20:17, 0:20:24]: your value would be frozen at that value. So fast forward now to twenty twenty three and the property is now worth [0:20:24, 0:20:26]: триhрот о форусе. [0:20:26, 0:20:32]: On your county taxes, again, it's it's important to notice just on the county taxes side that thirty seven percent. [0:20:33, 0:20:38]: You're still only being charged at or still being valued at that two hundred thousand the year you file for your homestead. [0:20:39, 0:20:59]: So that's a tremendous savings throughout the, you know, for residents within the county. Again, that only applies to the to the county portion of your taxes. That does not apply to your to the school taxes, the the majority of sixty percent. But again, that is a substantial um savings for a majority of our of our residents. All right. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Any other questions, Council for Mr. Harris? [0:20:59, 0:21:01]: Go ahead please, Mr. Martin. [0:21:02, 0:21:03]: Morning, Mr. Harris, how you doing? [0:21:04, 0:21:05]: Good to see you again, Councilman Blount. [0:21:05, 0:21:06]: Um [0:21:07, 0:21:10]: I have a question prior to um [0:21:12, 0:21:16]: I'm trying to remember. When did you come into office? What year was it? Oh [0:21:19, 0:21:20]: Fifteen? [0:21:21, 0:21:29]: Fourteen, fifteen? Okay. That's fine. I'm just trying to I don't wanna ask any questions. That was pre your time. Um [0:21:31, 0:21:34]: In twenty in in February eighth of twenty twenty one [0:21:35, 0:21:47]: Um when we talked about the minutes rates and the bonds that we was doing with as a city, um my concern was then that there was no clear financial path. [0:21:47, 0:21:49]: to the decisions that was being made. [0:21:51, 0:21:53]: Um we had our financial advisor. [0:21:54, 0:22:03]: to come and address our issues. Uh Mr. Walls, he just walked in today. And um with no clear financial path. [0:22:04, 0:22:07]: Mr. Wall mentioned there would likely be a property tax. [0:22:08, 0:22:13]: This is an uh February eighth, twenty twenty one meeting that we had with the city. [0:22:13, 0:22:16]: Uh on March twenty first. [0:22:16, 0:22:21]: Um my question was what was gonna be the annual payments to [0:22:21, 0:22:41]: The 25 million bond,$25 million bonds that was presented and and passed by my colleagues, how are we going to pay that? And Mr. Walls stated then that the expenses would need to be, the expenses would need to be cut back, or a property tax would have to be. [0:22:41, 0:22:42]: Yeah. [0:22:42, 0:22:43]: On the city. [0:22:44, 0:22:46]: When you take a budget [0:22:46, 0:22:49]: And it's gonna come to a question. You when you take a budget from [0:22:50, 0:22:52]: About twelve million dollars. [0:22:53, 0:23:11]: In twenty twenty four that budget gonna double or more. This is a point of order. What's the point of order? Is this Germain? This is a millage rate hearing and it this is a tax commissioner. This question is from should be asked to the city manager. The tax commissioner has no jurisdiction over our city budget. [0:23:11, 0:23:31]: None. Uh Mayor, the the reason I'm asking these questions because whatever would be filed with um uh the uh tax commission, nobody that would have that information more than Mr Mr. Harris would right here. That's I'm leading to the question that asked me. [0:23:31, 0:23:34]: Mr. Harris. Oh, go away. Continue on please. [0:23:35, 0:23:39]: See, there's times when you're asking questions that are uncomfortable. [0:23:40, 0:24:00]: I'm not uncomfortable asking questions. I'm not uncomfortable about telling the truth. I'm not uncomfortable about what needs to see to know. Oh, appeal to the council. He's giving a speech. He's not doing anything related to it's not jumping into the topic. I'm appealing to the council. [0:24:00, 0:24:18]: Stand by guys. Stand by I'm appealing to the council. I'm appealing to the council. No need to appeal to the council. Uh Mr. Harris. She needs to be cut off. As you know, our tax budget. Guys, listen. Uh point of order, Mayor. I got your point of order. But I'm gonna overrule your point of order. I ask I appeal to the council. [0:24:19, 0:24:37]: Um I appeal I can appeal to the council. I appeal to the three council members. Mr. Blount is making a speech. He's not making anything in judicial to what we're talking about. I appeal to the council. He has to ask his question, not question the commissioner about what is going on. I appeal to the council. [0:24:39, 0:24:50]: Ask the question. The the question has to be germane to the topic. The tax commissioner has no idea about twelve million dollars and all of that. He has no that's not his role. That's the city manager's role. [0:24:52, 0:25:02]: Mr. Harris is not uncomfortable talking about the subject. I just want to make sure that the city is a very important thing. We're talking about was germane to the city of Stockbridge, not the school board that was mentioned. [0:25:03, 0:25:05]: Which was allowed to be spoken about. [0:25:06, 0:25:11]: So I'm speaking specifically about the financial and taxes of the city of Stockbridge. [0:25:12, 0:25:21]: When I sat back and listened to my colleagues speak about the school board, that has nothing to do with what we're gonna have to implement in the city. [0:25:21, 0:25:23]: So if we're gonna go off of West Germain. [0:25:24, 0:25:34]: on one council member respect the other. As simple as that. Continue on please. I appeal to the council. We had a twelve million dollar I appeal to the council, you did not ask for a vote. [0:25:36, 0:25:38]: Mayor. Yes sir. [0:25:39, 0:25:56]: Let me have to finish. This is the problem that I have when it comes to comp there should be a vote. Fellas, listen, calm down. This is appeal to the counselor. We have security here. If you don't want to lose the case, you can't. Hold on, fellas. Come on. Now you you guys gotta realize you're on camera now. Darn it. You're on camera. [0:25:57, 0:26:00]: Oh listen. Um Mr Washington. [0:26:03, 0:26:05]: Is there such a thing as appealing to the council on this issue? [0:26:10, 0:26:13]: rules if you go down to [0:26:17, 0:26:17]: Okay. [0:26:25, 0:26:26]: Yeah. [0:26:37, 0:26:43]: The point of order can be recognized. Let Mr Washington s do what he needs to do. Thank you. [0:26:43, 0:26:58]: The presiding officer, two point under your charter, two point oh four one one oh deciding questions of order. The presiding officer shall decide all questions of order, but any member dissatisfied with any of his decisions shall have the right to appeal to the council. All right. [0:27:00, 0:27:07]: All right, so do you want to appeal to the coun so otherwise you can appeal to the council, do you want to appeal to the council the fact that you don't think he's germane his commissary germane to the a topic? [0:27:07, 0:27:12]: Yes, and for him to ask his question and then make the presentation to the city manager. [0:27:13, 0:27:30]: All right. On that note is that uh you need a we need a of official vote on this aspect. Okay. So all in favor of what the the Mr. Alezan is talking about appeal to council. Is there is there uh is the rest of the council in favor of that? It would require three votes to pass. I I understand, sir. Is it i is the council in favor of that? [0:27:31, 0:27:45]: Ma yes sir, you have a question. Uh I I am mayor and and and I think as you sort of alluded to, uh we need to be civil uh in these discussions. Uh we need to I I think [0:27:46, 0:27:48]: Make sure that the questioning [0:27:48, 0:28:01]: or pertaining to the subject at matter, um, ask mister Harris the questions. Uh this is a very serious issue and and I don't think we need any grandstanding or any [0:28:02, 0:28:03]: discussion about [0:28:04, 0:28:24]: What this council did in the past to get us to this point. We're here now at this point. I think the conversation just needs to stay here today, not what happened a year ago. Thank you, sir. All right. So you all are you in favor? Is there a m you made a mo this appear to council otherwise the motion? [0:28:24, 0:28:26]: So all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:28:27, 0:28:33]: All right, all right. So the motion actually passes. Now, so we've got to ask a specific question, Mr. Blount. [0:28:33, 0:28:35]: Two um uh [0:28:36, 0:28:37]: To uh Mr. Harris. [0:28:37, 0:28:40]: One of the things that's not gonna happen to me is I'm gonna sit quiet. [0:28:42, 0:28:44]: Well we're in this mess now because of these three. [0:28:45, 0:28:50]: Let me say this to you. Was anything given to you, mister Harris, your office? [0:28:51, 0:29:11]: In February of twenty twenty eight, pertaining to any feasibility study or anything germane to any study about a tax being implemented because of the twin of the of the increase in what we was gonna be doing, uh as far as Mr. Wall was anything presented to the county, uh to the tax commission, what w like we've [0:29:11, 0:29:31]: Done in the in the past here recently pertaining to what a millish rate would be on the uh wage analysis, uh the uh um general fund analysis that I had done that was from 2019 to 2024, that showed our budget that would increase double or more by 2024. Was anything given [0:29:31, 0:29:32]: [1774.0, 1777.0]: I I'm not aware of anything else provided to my office, no. [0:29:38, 0:29:47]: Then mister th then then this falls in line with what I'm trying to say that you're here, you got nothing as a tax commission. [0:29:48, 0:29:51]: And this council has has put us in a position [0:29:52, 0:29:58]: Without the citizens being recognized and this is why they're trying to acquire me. They can do whatever they want to do. [0:29:58, 0:30:01]: But to sit I'm said when I said this prior to the vote. [0:30:02, 0:30:06]: For these increases, when I said this when I got the analysis. [0:30:07, 0:30:08]: I'm gonna say it now. [0:30:08, 0:30:14]: I'm not sitting here playing politics. If the citizens put me back in office, so be it. If they don't, so be it. [0:30:15, 0:30:16]: But I'm a citizen first. [0:30:17, 0:30:23]: And the decisions been made by this council, financial decisions with a clear path of how we're gonna pay for it. We just [0:30:24, 0:30:30]: We just balanced our budget with four point five million dollars last year of our savings. We can't take that kind of hit again. [0:30:31, 0:30:33]: So what's being presented here today? [0:30:33, 0:30:36]: It's for me to make decisions now. [0:30:37, 0:30:38]: To save our city. [0:30:38, 0:30:39]: financially. [0:30:40, 0:30:43]: When we could have prevented some things prior to this happening. [0:30:44, 0:30:44]: All right. [0:30:45, 0:30:50]: All right, so any other qu qu questions, specific questions here for Mr. Harris from the council? [0:30:52, 0:30:53]: Yeah, go right here, please. [0:30:54, 0:30:54]: I do. [0:30:55, 0:31:14]: Go right in, please. Um Mr. Harris, the deadlines that you mentioned for the tax commissioner office, can you tell me what those deadlines are as far as the city making a decision on or if we impose a tax? When does that information have to be shared with the tax commissioner's office? [0:31:14, 0:31:34]: Yeah, so again, going back, what we do is we kind of work backwards from the state mandated um decree that have the bills have to be out with minimum of sixty days prior to their due date. Um so again, our due date is November 16th, so it has to be out by the 16th of September. Um we always keep a a window just for NL [0:31:34, 0:31:54]: Inevitabilities that may come up. So for us right now, we are looking at an adoption, final adoption by the end of July. I think the final one that we hear is from the Board of Commissioners on August 1st. So we would need all of our cities, municipalities, and Board of Education to be completed with a determination made by the [0:31:54, 0:32:14]: Then so we know because once once we have the final determination in the millage set from the county, that information, we compile that information along with again us in conjunction with the assessor's office, and we submit that digest package to the state for their review and analysis. Um, usually they're about anywhere from one [0:32:14, 0:32:34]: Of three or four days for them to review. So typically we get that review, we get that information back within within about that first week of August. And from there we have to submit everything back to our printers. So they have to go back through print the bills. We have to take the information, determination that was made on the city is going. [0:32:34, 0:32:48]: to have a millage run those calculations and that has to be reflected on every every tax bill. So have to make sure every tax bill is run. Miss Cardi and her team, what they do is they go through the the the the painstaking process of going through and having to check all of the [0:32:48, 0:32:58]: Um the draft tax bills to make sure that they're printed out accurately, the calculations are done properly. So again, that takes a couple of weeks and then that runs right up until about that September first deadline. [0:32:59, 0:33:19]: Thank you, sir. Yeah. And and I did want to add, and I see Mr. Wall is here now. I had an opportunity to work with Mr. Wall last year as the City of Hampton was doing their inaugural, their initial their new um millage rate. And again, it's it's the fact that you have him on board, it really speaks to the the wisdom of of the of the city because he he knows this process backwards and forth. [0:33:19, 0:33:27]: Forward, so glad to see he's involved in the process. It's always good to work with Mr. Wall. Thanks, sir. Appreciate it. Once again, you know. Last question. Okay, go ahead, please. [0:33:27, 0:33:40]: The uh one point I think it's one point nine four that was paying to the county. Yes. The one point nine four millage rate, and I wanna make that clear that that millage rate that was coming from the city [0:33:41, 0:33:53]: was not the totality of the millage rate that was needed for the county to operate. It was a culmination of the county and the city. It was this hours portion. That's correct. I just wanna make that clear. So that one point nine for a millage rate [0:33:53, 0:34:00]: is not something that would sustain us individually for our police apartment. It was a portion paid to the county. [0:34:01, 0:34:19]: In co i in conjunction with the millage rate that was already put in place. Right. That's what I need to make to make sure that we understand that in here. That one point nine four millage rate on what is being proposed what what is being said is not a sustainability millage rate for the city of Stockbridge with its own police part. [0:34:19, 0:34:36]: Right. Well again that I uh defer to the the city manager on what those expenses need to be and what Mills are. Sure. All right. Once again, last last call. Any other questions from Mr. Harris? Thank you, sir. Appreciate appreciate you being here. We'll be here for the entirety of the meeting, so thank you, sir. Appreciate that. Mr. Gardner, it's on you, sir. [0:34:37, 0:34:40]: Thank you, Mr. Harris. All right. [0:34:41, 0:34:42]: Get started, man, council. [0:34:43, 0:34:52]: So as we talked about the proposal for millis rate, um there's some things that are impacting the decision around this and that part of that is the growth of the city over. [0:34:53, 0:35:05]: Over the years and with that growth has come an impact on um our public service as well as our police services that we just started. So to give you an idea, when we talk about growth and the growth in the city of Stockbridge. [0:35:06, 0:35:14]: Um and and Councilmember Thomas is very aware with these numbers because he's been here. So to give you an idea, nineteen ninety. [0:35:15, 0:35:17]: The city of Stalkbridge was just under four thousand people. [0:35:18, 0:35:20]: by two thousand eleven thousand people [0:35:22, 0:35:25]: By twenty ten twenty ten, twenty five thousand six hundred people. [0:35:26, 0:35:29]: By twenty twenty, twenty nine thousand people. [0:35:30, 0:35:33]: Right, we're estimated right now because in [0:35:33, 0:35:38]: January one of this year we brought in just under seven thousand new residents. [0:35:38, 0:35:41]: To bring our population over thirty six thousand people. [0:35:42, 0:35:42]: Right. [0:35:43, 0:35:58]: And that comes obviously with some challenges. And those challenges are around the police and public works, as we know. Uh and I'll get into a little bit more detail and the impacts of that on our fiscal year budget and the reasoning for uh the proposed military. [0:35:59, 0:36:01]: So we talked about that annexation. [0:36:02, 0:36:08]: What what's unseen to us at this time and will be hit coming to us is the nineteen hundred plus units that we [0:36:08, 0:36:22]: have already approved in the development process. And just two nights ago we approved another thirteen hundred homes to come into the city. Those homes gonna be required services around public works. The streets parts of those will take a while. [0:36:23, 0:36:25]: But the part that really impacts is the ones that are annexing. [0:36:26, 0:36:31]: Right, we annexed in areas of the city that weren't brand new subdivisions, they were subdivisions that have been built. [0:36:32, 0:36:36]: And we're in the c in Henry County and we're not on Henry County's list. [0:36:36, 0:36:52]: um for improvements and whereby when they came into the city we've now having the calls around the roads. Part of this is also the SDS agreement of twenty twenty, when we took on additional roads as part of the intergovernmental agreement with Henry County. [0:36:52, 0:36:54]: And those are impacting your public works. [0:36:55, 0:36:56]: So we annex in [0:36:57, 0:37:08]: Roughly around ninety one miles of roads and about forty three miles of new sidewalks, right aways, culverts, pipes, streams, all of this l and r um litter. [0:37:10, 0:37:30]: Part of the services required is we have to start resurfacing some of these roads. And as you know, we'll be discussing next week two of those main roads, which is Walt Stevens and Mount Zion Parkway, which we think the estimate cost to fix those are around two two point something million dollars for both of those to repave. All right, but those roads are in bad conditions. [0:37:30, 0:37:45]: Ten years ago those roads weren't counted on by the city, they were in the county. Question. Yes, sir. Okay, as you just said, Mayor. Go right, please. Those roads were previously in the county, and they were turned over to us in horrendous shape. [0:37:45, 0:38:05]: They need to be fixed. So for the past before this year, those roads are in the county. These taxpayers have been paying money to the county for those roads, yet those roads have been allowed to deteriorate and be in that condition. Now we find ourselves in the position where we got to take over Walt Stevens. [0:38:05, 0:38:20]: In full of po full of potholes and in need of paving basically months and it'll cost millions of dollars in order to do that. Is that correct? That is correct. Thank you. Um but it's also the subdivision roads that are in bad condition because um [0:38:20, 0:38:34]: As a fifteen year resident of the city, um, you know, when we moved here, the roads were all brand new. They were paved, but you fast forward twenty plus years and Walt Stevens doesn't look like it looked in twenty in two thousand or two thousand one. [0:38:35, 0:38:55]: Um same thing with some of the other roads around the city that have come into the city. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Go ahead. You mentioned Walt Stevens, but there are other roads. Oh yeah, yes, and that's what I said. There are there are other roads. Why isn't Flippin Road included on this? Say again. Why isn't Flippin' Road included? [0:38:54, 0:39:02]: Why isn't Valley Hill Road included? I just gave an example of some. I didn't put the roads. The roads are not listed, enumerated. I was just giving an example of some. [0:39:02, 0:39:08]: You mentioned that that would be an item that's gonna come before the council. So my question is [0:39:09, 0:39:23]: Why aren't those roads coming to the council soon as well? While Stevens is coming to us, Flippin' Road. Yes. When is that coming to us? I I will have to defer and check with our public workshop. When is Valley Hill Road coming to us? [0:39:24, 0:39:30]: I will have to check, ma'am, to see when those are coming. Okay, when are all of the new rows that were newly annexed? [0:39:30, 0:39:33]: Into our city as of January first of twenty twenty three. Yes, ma'am. [0:39:34, 0:39:37]: When are all those roads going to be assessed? [0:39:37, 0:39:53]: They need to be on this list too. They are priority roads as well. Yes, yes, ma'am. All all the um all the roads are priority roads, ma'am. The key is, yes, you have some roads that are in worse shape than others. Ball Hill Road is in poor shape as well, sir. [0:39:53, 0:39:54]: Yes, ma'am. [0:39:56, 0:39:57]: Thank you. You're welcome. [0:39:58, 0:40:18]: I will say this, Mary. I do concur with that, and at some point they all, because again, let's we cannot glace over this point. All of these roads were given to the city in bad condition, not just Walt Stevens and Spear. In these subdivisions that we took over, like Eagle Ridge and [0:40:18, 0:40:33]: in those areas. It is incumbent that we work together with the commissioners to recoup some of that money because they've been collecting your tax money in order to provide services to these roads. So we're not letting them off the hook. [0:40:34, 0:40:38]: Even though we will be executing the repairs [0:40:38, 0:40:58]: Again, you pay m zero you have paid zero tax to the city up until this point. You all of your tax money has been going to the county. The question is, why aren't those roads being maintained? And I said it at the time we brought this up previously. We cannot let them off the hook. Those roads need to be fixed and they need to fix. [0:40:58, 0:41:03]: need to contribute those tax dollars that have been coming for those roads that they haven't been maintained. [0:41:04, 0:41:05]: All right, thank you. [0:41:05, 0:41:16]: You m go ahead, Mr. Thomas. Um thank you, Mayor. Um Mayor, I I concur with with the current conversation, but if Council Wood [0:41:16, 0:41:23]: If you would, uh the city manager indicated that this will be a discussion next week. [0:41:23, 0:41:24]: Let's just do that. [0:41:25, 0:41:40]: Let's wait until next week to discuss that. Uh looking at the agenda, uh it says public hearing, proposed millers rate, property tax increase. So my request is for us to to to stay on point. [0:41:42, 0:41:44]: There's a proper time for us to discuss [0:41:45, 0:41:48]: other issues. But let's not [0:41:50, 0:41:57]: confuse and mix one subject with the other subject. Yes, of course, when when it's time to have those discussions, [0:41:58, 0:42:02]: I have roads that I probably want to mention that need repairs as well. [0:42:03, 0:42:04]: Ба тодей. [0:42:05, 0:42:07]: Is not the time. [0:42:07, 0:42:17]: to dwell about street repairs. Thank you, Mayor. You're welcome, sir. Continue on, Ms. Gardener. Oh, you have a question now too Ms. Well? Go ahead, sir. [0:42:18, 0:42:38]: This, Mr. Gardner's so this is basically just what you're doing is is just the overall view. I just want the sister realize it's just an overall view. It's not in specifics. So I yeah. So I just find it interesting that that wasn't a point of order when they got off track. They just talked to each other and say, let's let's keep it on track. It wasn't a boat to get, you know, just [0:42:37, 0:42:40]: To shut anybody up. You carry on, sir. [0:42:41, 0:42:42]: Go ahead, Ms. Garner, please. [0:42:43, 0:42:43]: Yes, sir. [0:42:44, 0:42:45]: Yeah, so [0:42:45, 0:42:51]: And so when we talk about uh our police department, which was, you know, just formed a year ago, um [0:42:51, 0:42:59]: And going over our calls of services and our size of our police department, we recognize that yes, we have some some challenges around obviously [0:43:00, 0:43:14]: taking in some of the new areas that we've taken in and expanding the police department. Um to compensate for that, to make sure that we stay on task with some of the goals around the police department, which are around community policing and making sure that our police are present in our community. [0:43:14, 0:43:19]: And as you know, they've been successful with crime being down almost twenty four percent over the last year. [0:43:20, 0:43:37]: Um they've been very successful, but the growth in the city is also putting a challenge on the police department. And so last last month when I presented to you guys and the chief presented, part of what we presented was looking at a comparison of our police department in reference to our growth and and our surrounding cities around us. Um [0:43:37, 0:43:53]: As you can tell, you know, from the chart here, you have City of Griffin that we looked at, City of Duluth, City of Dalton, City of Douglasville, um City of Chamberly, which are all around the same size as us, um, recognizing that our growth potential over the next four or five years is gonna be far exceeding theirs. [0:43:54, 0:43:56]: uh their growth and development over the same period of time. [0:43:57, 0:44:17]: Um you see the reference there to the number of officers and reference to their population size and as well as call for services. And our calls of services are projected to to increase to about thirty-eight thousand by the end of this year. You look at the citizen to police ratio, we're a little higher than everybody else. Um obviously those communities. [0:44:17, 0:44:35]: Of of implementing or has had a millage rate in place to offset the cost of their police department. And as you can tell from each of those cities, their police department are running them over ten million dollars to operate on an annualized basis. Um our proposed budget for our police department this year is about 8.2 million. [0:44:35, 0:44:55]: And if you would, Mr. City Manager, highlight the millage rates of those various cities. Yes. And as you as you look at the city of Griffin is at six point two, but that's offset by electric utility. Having worked in Griffin for eight years, their their general fund, their property tax does not cover, so they actually pull money from the electric utility on an annual. [0:44:55, 0:45:12]: basis to cover the cost of their general fund for police and fire. Um Duluth is six point five mils. Um Dalton is at about eight m eight mils, just under eight point one mils. Um Douglasville seven point two mils. City of Stockworth zero. Chambri at six point two. [0:45:16, 0:45:20]: Mr Gardner, yes sir. Go go ahead, sir. [0:45:21, 0:45:30]: So the closest um comparison we would have would you say that would be in reference to Shamley or would it be in reference to Douglasville? [0:45:33, 0:45:44]: Yeah, the uh the other cities are about around the same size. You know, give or take one or two percent, yes. So Well I'm just looking at reading I'm asking, I'm looking at the amount of officers. Yes, sir. Um [0:45:45, 0:45:52]: So yeah, so City of Chamblay, even though they're roughly around the same size, they got twenty more offices than us. Douglasville is about the same size as us. [0:45:52, 0:46:12]: I've got about 98 offices compared to our 62. And remember, ten of those sixty-two are grant funded, right? We were able to acquire uh a grant from the federal government that would pay for those, but that payment comes due in three years that we gotta cover the full cost of those those ten offices. So with the the annexation piece and the uh agreed [0:46:12, 0:46:14]: Uh portions of um [0:46:15, 0:46:16]: Um [0:46:17, 0:46:37]: Citizens that are coming in through development, you you're looking at a total increase of about uh uh what about 8,000 uh people, a little over eight? Yeah. Part of what you see is, you know, if you take into account the 1900 that we already approved through the system, terms set by your average house. [0:46:37, 0:46:39]: Also a size two point three. [0:46:40, 0:46:48]: And added on to our existing population, you're looking at about forty-two, forty-two thousand residents, probably before twenty, twenty thirty, maybe higher. [0:46:49, 0:46:52]: So our growth rate is gonna mirror what it did between [0:46:53, 0:46:55]: twenty two thousand and two thousand ten. [0:46:56, 0:47:08]: our growth rate between now and then is gonna mirror almost that that's that percentage increase. If these developments start building as in you can tell they're already starting to build on some of'em. So that's gonna actually drive up the population cost, yes, sir. [0:47:09, 0:47:29]: Okay. So Mr. Wall, so this is in line with was discussed with you and actually on point and I thank you for that. That what you said in twenty twenty one, that by twenty twenty four our budget would double with decisions that was being made. And I thank you for that information. So with this chart and with what you're saying and what what [0:47:29, 0:47:33]: What you gave us. Everything is in line, so I appreciate that information. [0:47:33, 0:47:34]: Yes. [0:47:35, 0:47:40]: Ms. Alexander, go ahead please. I think Ms. Barber had a question there's Okay, Ms. Barber, go ahead please. Um [0:47:40, 0:47:47]: So either one, Mr. Wall or Mr. Gardner, Griffin, Deluxe, Dalton, Douglasville. [0:47:48, 0:47:53]: Or Chambly. Does any of those cities have utilities or fire? [0:47:54, 0:48:01]: Uh this is their police costs. This is not their fire costs, but yes, Griffin has a police. The question was does any of these cities [0:48:01, 0:48:04]: Have utilities. Yes, they do. Yes. Okay. [0:48:04, 0:48:06]: Does this millage rate? [0:48:06, 0:48:08]: That you're showing on this display. [0:48:09, 0:48:11]: Is that their total military? [0:48:11, 0:48:12]: Yes, ma'am. [0:48:12, 0:48:32]: That includes their fire and utilities. Yes ma'am so that's why not utilities. No, no, no, no, we don't have utilities. No, not all of them have utilities. Only the city of Griffin is a and is a well the millage rate doesn't utilities. Right. Griffin is the only one that that actually offset their general fund expense. [0:48:32, 0:48:36]: through the electric and water utilities. The other ones do not have electric. [0:48:37, 0:48:38]: Okay. [0:48:39, 0:48:45]: Griffin is the only one that has you killed you didn't have a lot of people. If you allow me to ask the question and then you answer. [0:48:45, 0:48:46]: Yes, ma'am. [0:48:46, 0:48:48]: Okay, so that I'm clear. [0:48:48, 0:48:49]: Yes, ma'am. [0:48:50, 0:48:53]: So Griffin is the only one that has utilities. [0:48:53, 0:48:56]: That that has the electric utility, yes ma'am. Gotcha. [0:48:57, 0:48:58]: Which of these cities have fire? [0:48:59, 0:48:59]: Say again. [0:49:00, 0:49:04]: Which of these cities have a fire department? [0:49:05, 0:49:15]: Uh yes everybody but Shamley has. And and we don't. Douglasville, Dalton, Duluth, Griffin has fire. [0:49:16, 0:49:17]: Thank you, sir. Yes, ma'am. [0:49:17, 0:49:37]: Mr. Alexander Quay, please. Let me just say this before everybody in here has a target tax. Nobody up here is voting for a six mil tax. I know I'm not. So that's no, don't even think about that. This is just for comparison uh and analysis. Once he gets finished, you will see that it won't be any it it potentially won't be anywhere near that. So continue. [0:49:37, 0:49:38]: You sir. [0:49:44, 0:49:52]: So we went through our budget process a little earlier than we typically did in starting our budget in reference to recognizing that, you know, we're going to [0:49:53, 0:50:05]: have some areas of challenge. Uh and so what you see before you is uh budget in option one and those numbers carry forth through the different options, but option one reflects uh twenty six point point seven [0:50:06, 0:50:07]: uh million dollar budget. [0:50:07, 0:50:08]: Um [0:50:09, 0:50:12]: In terms of our expenses to revenue, which is nineteen point nine. [0:50:13, 0:50:33]: Uh and so what we did was we looked at okay if we if we did absolutely nothing and as you can tell at the bottom of that chart there's no mills. So you're looking at a six point six point eight percent um point eight million difference. Which would come from which which would come from your your your fund balance, right? Um option two. [0:50:33, 0:50:43]: obviously imposes looks at a millage rate of the one point oh four, which is being paid by every resident. And for those residents, I think m um [0:50:43, 0:50:49]: Tax mission, admission, but for residents who were annexed into the city, they were actually paying a little bit more. [0:50:49, 0:50:54]: Their their military was just over two because they were paying for code enforcement, which is point [0:50:54, 0:50:59]: Michael, I think it's point oh point oh three, point three something. [0:50:59, 0:51:00]: Percent. [0:51:00, 0:51:02]: Code for code enforcement. [0:51:03, 0:51:08]: There's an additional additional millage in there that that that annex annex residents paid. [0:51:08, 0:51:12]: Above the two point three one. F from the for phot those who are on it. Point [0:51:13, 0:51:24]: Yeah, point three one eight is what they pay what they're paying. So in essence, they're paying a little bit they're, you know, their millage was a little higher than the actual city residents. Um so what you see in option number three. [0:51:25, 0:51:39]: Uh if a millage rate of three point seven seven is imposed, it brings you right about a deficit of around four pifty-four thousand. Uh excuse me. Fifty-four thousand. At option four, millage rate of four mills. [0:51:39, 0:51:59]: with roughly right around uh 7.2 million that offset the seven the six point eight with a with a remaining positive of just under five hundred. Option six f five excuse me would bring in seven point six million, then offset would bring right under eight hundred just over eight hundred power. [0:51:59, 0:52:19]: thousand and obviously the advertised mill's rate which we m advertise would give you right around ten point eight, um, which would offset you by just over four million dollars at six mills. And that's not what's being recommended. Um Ed could talk a little bit about about um where we are with uh with our fund reserve and the impacts of [0:52:19, 0:52:23]: absolutely doing nothing and what that would eventually do to us over time. [0:52:24, 0:52:30]: Thank you, Mr. City Manager. So in twenty nineteen you can see we had reserves of eighteen million. [0:52:30, 0:52:34]: And uh we ended in twenty nineteen with nineteen million. [0:52:34, 0:52:42]: We had twenty-six months of fund balance. You all as a city made a decision to spend some of that on municipal projects. [0:52:42, 0:53:02]: And so in 2020, we can see that the fund balance fell on third line from the bottom. Ending fund balance was 17 million, so that was 22 months of reserves. In 21, it was 16 million, 18 months of reserves. And in 22, which the big difference [0:53:02, 0:53:17]: There is n municipal projects plus you had started a b um the police force, the fund balance has fallen from sixteen million to twelve million or eight months. You all had a policy of having a fund balance of um [0:53:18, 0:53:31]: one year's of expenses. We have talked about that, about what's best practices. Some places have 30 to 60 percent fund balance. Some places have two months, some places have four months. [0:53:31, 0:53:34]: Um you all um [0:53:34, 0:53:39]: my advice you is your financial advisor because so much of your revenue was sales tax. [0:53:39, 0:53:45]: And sales tax is the most elastic type of revenue for government, the recession um [0:53:46, 0:53:57]: would would lower it. If you have a mix of revenues and where sales tax is a much smaller percentage, you can have a lower fund balance. To give you an example, DeCab County has a two-month fund balance. [0:53:58, 0:54:04]: And um you know, they they're ha have a twenty two billion dollar tax digest and um [0:54:04, 0:54:11]: Even with a two months fund balance, they have to do a tax anticipation note of one hundred and fifty million dollars each year on a billion dollar budget. [0:54:12, 0:54:25]: So you all have always tried to have a high enough fund balance. You don't have to borrow money for cash flow purposes. And so um I would like not like to see you go below six months as a reserve. [0:54:25, 0:54:29]: Sir. Thank you, sir. Appreciate that uh comment. Go ahead, Mr. Alzheimer's. [0:54:30, 0:54:50]: Let's just go here. I certainly don't remember us setting a policy of one year. I don't recall that. I do recall attending multiple uh gener um Georgia Nissle Law Association classes that the recommendation was a 25% uh fund balance for cities across Georgia. [0:54:50, 0:55:10]: Georgia. Georgia Municipal Association is the educational forum that every elected official would attend to gain the knowledge to perform this job. And I would just say, beginning to understand, if you know what the city looked like in 2013 and 2014, we weren't spending [0:55:09, 0:55:29]: Spending enough money to maintain the city. That's why North Henry Boulevard fell into the disrepair that it appears to be now, and it's actually been improving over the past couple of years. When this council was elected, myself, Mr. Blount, and other several of us, we endeavored to improve the overall appearance of the city. [0:55:29, 0:55:49]: City and that required us to spend money in order to do so. And if you have noticed, the overall appearance of the city has improved tremendously. And the reason that you know when we first took office, we had maybe a 300% fund balance. Those monies were sitting on the [0:55:49, 0:56:09]: Sitting in the bank, but at the same time, we had grass that was two foot tall on our right-of-ways. We had litter everywhere. We had uh the city was not being maintained at a high level at all. And I can say today proudly that the city is being maintained at a much better level. One of the things that we did was [0:56:09, 0:56:29]: Was we implemented a right-of-way maintenance cut. Like for Rock Quarry Road, the crew shows up every Wednesday to cut that right-of-way. So when you're walking down Rock Quarry Road, it's maintained. Hudson Bridge Road has the same thing. Campground Road has the same thing. Highway 138 has the same thing. If you're [0:56:29, 0:56:49]: Remember what highway 138 used to look like? It was totally maintained. When you would pull off at the exit, at exit 228, the grass was being uncut. Now, someone who was a high official who I would not name told me that the exit was in Clayton County. But we did some further research. [0:56:49, 0:57:09]: And we determined that the to exit 228 was actually in Henry County, unincorporated. It wasn't in the city. So we garnered to work with the county to implement a to implement to get them to fix it. But they were like, you know, we're not gonna spend any money on it to the point that they send the city a letter saying they were no longer performing. [0:57:09, 0:57:29]: Any maintenance on Highway 138. So we started to do so, and you see now when you pull off at that exit, it's not litter clogged, the grass is always maintained, and the area has started to improve. Some of the other things that we did was we passed and we raised standards throughout the entire community. [0:57:29, 0:57:49]: community because we rewrote the unified development code for the city because we didn't want pawn shops, tire shops, and thrift stores all over the city. So we regulated all of these industries, all of them. So we endeavored to move forward with improving overall processes [0:57:49, 0:58:09]: For the city. And we have been able to do that to make sure that uh we were proud of what we offer. And let me say this again before I close my comments. Okay, nobody up here was trying to hide anything from you about uh whether or not the city would implement a tax. It was always said at the every meeting. [0:58:09, 0:58:13]: meeting that we had said had. mister Blount himself said [0:58:13, 0:58:26]: We're gonna be there may be a city tax. Everybody up here said I did an interview with channel two myself that was on television, no less, that said there may be a city tax, the potential it would be minimal. [0:58:26, 0:58:46]: Tom Jones did that report. You can Google it and see it for yourself several times. So, in essence, it's like I'm not trying to revisit where we've been in 2021, but to let you know I was stand on that sit, that decision until my until I am six feet under that we made the right decision. [0:58:46, 0:59:06]: Decision to start the Startbridge Police Department because I see what you see on your television screen every night when there's a shooting in Atlanta or Gwinnett or Cobb County or even the tragedy that we just saw over in Hampton. We needed added police protection for the city. I [0:59:06, 0:59:12]: I s rest assured when I see the point of order. Police department car. What's your point of order, sir? [0:59:12, 0:59:14]: I'm sitting here listening to [0:59:16, 0:59:25]: what right of ways we've just cla w what we're doing. I'm sitting here listening to everything that's not germane to this, but yet it's okay. [0:59:27, 0:59:36]: It's okay to listen to all of this that's not germane to what we're dealing with right here. And this is the kind of thing that the citizens don't wanna see. [0:59:37, 0:59:50]: When you get a group of council members that are biased uh uh biased to another council member's comment. Th the citizens does not care right now about what we're talking about, what right of ways we're doing. [0:59:51, 0:59:57]: We're not talking about what crimes been committed. We're not talking we're going into all of this other stuff. [0:59:58, 1:00:02]: But yet I get a point of order when I'm trying to inform the citizens. [1:00:02, 1:00:22]: On what the process and what we're doing in this city. We have if we're gonna stay on track for one person, let's just stay on track for everybody. Response. All right. Response. But my response is simply this. I had no problem with you asking your question, Mr. Blount, but you were targeting it toward the wrong official. Mr. Harris has [1:00:22, 1:00:38]: no knowledge of the information. Now is the appropriate time. So if you want to ask that question again to the city manager and to the ECA financial advisor, it is the appropriate time. Mr. Alexander, Mr. Alexander, your question is appropriate for public works director. [1:00:39, 1:00:46]: All right, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what we do here. Mr. Wall, finish your briefing, please. Let's just continue on. Let's finish your briefing. Yes. Okay. Let's go f let's go forward. [1:00:46, 1:01:00]: So um you have a twelve million dollar ending fund balance unaudited for two thousand and twenty two. That's eight months. And so um to to put a fine point on what you said, Councilman Alexander [1:01:00, 1:01:12]: So it was my recommendation to you that you keep a year's fund balance. I don't think y'all adopted a policy. Correct. And when we made a decision to spend it down from when it was two years, mm-hmm. [1:01:12, 1:01:16]: I I'd ask you to keep a year, but you didn't make a policy. Right. Um [1:01:17, 1:01:35]: If you had a mix of revenues, fifty percent sales tax and fifty percent um property tax and the uh court fines'cause now you got a police department, you've got the ability to withstand a recession, you could get by with twenty five percent or three months. [1:01:35, 1:01:42]: Because so much of your revenue is sales tax, I I would recommend you not go below six months. Correct. [1:01:42, 1:02:01]: Great. Thank you, sir. Now to clarify on it, if I may, Mayor, is that again, the Georgia Municipal Association recommendation is thirty percent. You're required you're recommending six percent a six month, and we are still we're in guidelines with that six months that you recommended. Is that correct? Yes, sir. Thank you. [1:02:01, 1:02:13]: question, Mr. Wall. Yes, sir. Mr. Wall, because I I think you're making a a a good point that you did present to us because local auction sale taxes is what's been holding this city up. [1:02:14, 1:02:16]: Um and [1:02:16, 1:02:33]: when you don't have those other uh f uh uh revenue streams coming in, then local option sale tax dictates where we're gonna go and how we're gonna do it. One of the things and and I and I agree with Ms. Alexander, is that [1:02:34, 1:02:37]: about the police department. We all talked about the police department. [1:02:38, 1:02:40]: I'm s I'm glad that we have one. [1:02:40, 1:02:43]: The biggest problem I have is that we didn't communicate. [1:02:45, 1:02:54]: We didn't communicate to to the citizens well enough about implementing the police department, what this cost is gonna be. We put the cart before the horse. [1:02:54, 1:02:57]: This information should have been given to the citizen prior. [1:02:58, 1:02:59]: to the start up of a police partner. [1:03:00, 1:03:05]: of what is gonna be required for the citizens when we implement a police department. [1:03:05, 1:03:17]: You asked us about a year uh you said something mentioned about a year f fund balance. It's because we don't have those other financial uh uh funding streams that are coming to the city. [1:03:18, 1:03:23]: So when we put these plans in place, one of the greatest things I think we should have done. [1:03:23, 1:03:25]: was listened to you. [1:03:25, 1:03:28]: Our financial advisor that we're paying. [1:03:29, 1:03:38]: That would tell us how we can move, how we can make things happen, how it could be a less of a burden on the citizens, and what the citizen need to know once these decisions are being made. [1:03:40, 1:03:44]: You make the decisions and then now we come to say how can I fund it? [1:03:45, 1:03:48]: This is not coming out. It's the pa it's it's the taxpayers. [1:03:49, 1:03:54]: So if you're gonna spend my money, tell me how I'm gonna be spending it before you buy what you're buying. [1:03:55, 1:03:58]: It's not that I'm I I don't like what you bought. [1:03:58, 1:04:00]: Just tell me what I'm paying for. [1:04:00, 1:04:02]: And that's that's my problem. [1:04:04, 1:04:08]: Most of the citizens have no idea that this is gonna happen today. [1:04:08, 1:04:12]: Because the decision that was made. It's th that's all we're talking about. [1:04:13, 1:04:20]: Ms. Wall, continue on please. Thank you, sir. So uh if you could, I'm at the next page. Um [1:04:22, 1:04:27]: The stock bridge property tax analysis. Can you help me do that, Chief? [1:04:30, 1:04:50]: And so you want to do this part? So i here was um uh Miss City Manager asked us to do various homes, and you could see the appraised value a hundred thousand down to three hundred and seventy five thousand. You could pick among that the value of your home for members of the public. Under Georgia law, properties assessed at forty. [1:04:50, 1:04:57]: Percent of fair market value to calculate taxes. Some states have a hundred percent, some states like Alabama has one and a half percent. [1:04:58, 1:05:07]: and that makes their millage rates a lot higher. You can see here the assessed value of each one of those homes, and then you can see the options that um Mr. Gardiner went over [1:05:08, 1:05:15]: From one point nine oh four mils to six mils, what that would mean is a extra property tax for each resident. Sir. [1:05:15, 1:05:16]: Yes, sir. [1:05:16, 1:05:36]: For clarification, let's indicate again that the 1.094 is already being paid by the citizens now. So for instance, on that diagram that you gave, the 3.77 meals, that would not be a total increase as is indicated by this chart. [1:05:36, 1:05:56]: Because the one point oh nine four is already being paid. Absolutely. That's a very good point. Yes, sir. Right. So citizens are looking at a two hundred and seventy-five uh thousand dollar house. You're not looking at a four hundred and fourteen dollar increase. You would take the two hundred and nine, I guess, uh which there's already been well, or whatever that what amount is being [1:05:56, 1:06:11]: being uh being paid off of that four fourteen. One point eight six. Right. So the one point eight six would be taken away from that four fourteen, which basically would cut it on probably uh in half, if not more. Yes sir. [1:06:11, 1:06:17]: So instead of four fourteen for the two hundred and seventy five thousand dollar house, you're looking at about two hundred and seven. [1:06:18, 1:06:19]: Yes, sir. Thank you. [1:06:21, 1:06:22]: Next page. [1:06:24, 1:06:24]: Um [1:06:26, 1:06:46]: Just giving you some examples of the different house types and what the property taxes would be per year and per month. Next page, please, sir. I I just again want to emphasize that these numbers, I think well, I wish we had done them the other way, which is the difference versus uh putting it up there this way, but understanding that those numbers are include the [1:06:46, 1:06:51]: one point nine four or one point eight six they're already paying. Thank you. [1:06:51, 1:07:07]: Yes. And then the next page, the prop proposed tax distribution by government entity. So uh when you as a citizen in Henry County pay your property taxes, you uh pay um the first one two mils to the water authority. [1:07:08, 1:07:17]: And then if we had four point two mils for the city of Stockbridge, it would just be eleven and a half percent of your overall tax payment. [1:07:18, 1:07:23]: Um you all have not picked four point two mils, that is just staff recommendation. [1:07:24, 1:07:34]: Henry County levies ten point five one one mils, that'd be twenty six percent of what you pay in taxes. And of course the school board has the biggest lick, twenty three point six two eight mils. [1:07:35, 1:07:40]: So that would be fifty nine percent of your overall tax. Next page, please sir. [1:07:42, 1:07:58]: For the city itself, uh how our general fund is broken down, thirty two percent is public safety, thirty one percent is general government, twenty one percent is public works, and sixteen percent is debt service for the bonds that we issued back in uh twenty one. [1:08:00, 1:08:01]: That's it, Mayor. [1:08:01, 1:08:20]: All right, so what kind of questions, Council you have from Mr. Wall here? Anything on this side? I did. Sir. Yep. Stand by. Stand by please. Go ahead, Mr. Block. On that last chart, you said how much what percentage is pub uh public safety? Thirty two percent. And public works is twenty one percent? Thirty Yes, sir. [1:08:20, 1:08:40]: And that's the shift that we've had because the the budget we had under the revenue that didn't have any other funding, the highest percentage we had was public works. Yes. And this is in line again with what you said, bringing on this police department, that it would become our largest budget, which is now thirty-two percent. [1:08:40, 1:08:50]: about uh i e i and so this is what puts us in the increments that we're going If I could put it uh in a different way, exactly like you say, [1:08:51, 1:08:56]: So you all knew when you started a police force that eventually you would levy a property tax. [1:08:56, 1:09:01]: Henry County itself levies one point nine oh four mils on your citizens for police. [1:09:02, 1:09:17]: For the entire time that you have had a police force, you have saved your citizens at one point nine oh four mils. However, you've taken it out of your savings. You've taken it out of fund balance. Thank you. And one one of the things that I and I and I understand where where the conversation was going about [1:09:18, 1:09:24]: One point nine four was already being paid. I I get that. One point nine oh four. One point nine oh four. [1:09:25, 1:09:28]: But if you add anything to it, it still becomes the total bill. [1:09:29, 1:09:30]: If I'm paying you a dollar, [1:09:31, 1:09:32]: And now you gotta add two dollars. [1:09:33, 1:09:52]: The picture gonna show I'm paying three dollars, whether I was paying a dollar before anyway. So I get the chart that you presented us, but also say that, you know, I don't want it to look like it's this astronomical increase when a certain amount was being paid already, but the chart is simply showing the totality of what is being paid. [1:09:53, 1:10:01]: And so if I could actually put another fine point on it, y for all of y'all, I'm your financial advisor. Y'all count on me for advice. [1:10:02, 1:10:06]: Sometime y'all don't follow it and the citizens benefit. So I ain't always right. [1:10:08, 1:10:08]: But [1:10:09, 1:10:13]: You have been spending your savings and I want y'all to stop that. [1:10:13, 1:10:33]: And so it's time to levy a property tax. Y'all have s y'all have squeezed a nickel till the Buffalo Holland. And so I really would like to ask you all as your financial advisor to this year do levy a property tax. I don't know what millage rate you're gonna do, but it has come time for you to do that. [1:10:33, 1:10:37]: Thanks for having me. Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [1:10:37, 1:10:42]: Yes. So I think this is a question for Mr. Gardner. [1:10:42, 1:10:42]: Um [1:10:43, 1:10:47]: With this handout on the page with a preliminary general phone. [1:10:48, 1:10:49]: FY twenty four budget. [1:10:52, 1:10:56]: When you say general fund, is that our operating account? [1:10:57, 1:11:05]: So is that the savings account? So your j your general fund is your non-enterprise, non-fiduciary. So your non-water sewer sanitation [1:11:05, 1:11:10]: Stormwater. Those are the general ones that are usually funded through sales and property tax under government law in Georgia. [1:11:10, 1:11:11]: Okay. [1:11:12, 1:11:14]: Um you have the budget. [1:11:15, 1:11:17]: analysis that are listed here. [1:11:19, 1:11:26]: Why not have the reserve funds? We we have the reserve listed right here, but I'm in the next chart. [1:11:26, 1:11:31]: But real realize you're always a year behind, so your twenty twenty two was the last fiscal year. [1:11:31, 1:11:33]: It was unaudited so that's being audited right now now. [1:11:34, 1:11:36]: Okay. So then my next question is [1:11:36, 1:11:40]: Looking at that page with the four year stock rich fund balance review. [1:11:41, 1:11:49]: Starting in twenty nineteen, by the way, I wasn't here on the council. I wasn't sworn in. Let me make that for the record. [1:11:50, 1:11:54]: I was sworn in January first of twenty twenty. [1:11:54, 1:12:00]: I wanna make that clear because there were decisions that were made prior to me. [1:12:01, 1:12:02]: I will continue. [1:12:02, 1:12:03]: Um [1:12:03, 1:12:07]: So looking at this four year stock bridge fund balance review. [1:12:07, 1:12:11]: Twenty nineteen we started with the ending fund balance of [1:12:11, 1:12:12]: Nineteen million. [1:12:14, 1:12:16]: Yes, we're going to do it. [1:12:17, 1:12:18]: At twelve million. [1:12:19, 1:12:21]: So there seems to be a seven milyen dollar. [1:12:22, 1:12:23]: Spin. [1:12:24, 1:12:25]: Over that course of time. [1:12:25, 1:12:28]: We know all of that could not been. [1:12:28, 1:12:29]: Attributed. [1:12:29, 1:12:33]: to the police department. No. No. All the start up cost [1:12:33, 1:12:41]: I'd say more than 75% of the startup costs of the police department in 2022 was paid through ARPA. [1:12:42, 1:12:50]: Your your opera funds covered your materials. It did not cover your salaries and benefits of your offices, but it did cover your police cars and equipment. [1:12:50, 1:12:52]: And the facility, yes ma'am. Okay. [1:12:53, 1:12:57]: So the three million dollars that was bonded. [1:12:58, 1:13:00]: We have not begun paying that back. [1:13:01, 1:13:03]: Correct. We have not. [1:13:03, 1:13:11]: Mr. Wiles should be able to do it. We are paying it back right now. You just haven't spent all the money. [1:13:12, 1:13:16]: The three million that we borrowed in the bond issue for police. [1:13:16, 1:13:23]: we it's still in the bank. You were able to use ARPA money and so that we're paying payments on it [1:13:23, 1:13:30]: But you have not yet spent the three million. It could be repurposed to something else. Okay. So it's my understanding. [1:13:31, 1:13:32]: My understanding [1:13:33, 1:13:35]: А саме та три мільян воз'юд. [1:13:36, 1:13:39]: For the renovation of the police precinct. [1:13:39, 1:13:49]: I possibly know exactly how much was spent. He was trying to tell me. I did not know that. Okay. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. For confirming that. [1:13:49, 1:14:09]: My point is I wanted to make sure that we weren't attributing this seven million dollars um that some of the going through for our fund balance was not uh not all attributed. So it's even more of the police department. The the amount of fund balance you spent is even greater than what this number shows. It looks like it's seven million. [1:14:09, 1:14:10]: Yeah. [1:14:10, 1:14:16]: But you'll recall, Councilman Alexander, we were generating about a million eight in extra revenue. [1:14:17, 1:14:22]: In some of those years that would have increased fund balance, but we spent that so give you an example. [1:14:22, 1:14:27]: I think in the amphitheater we took six million dollars of general fund reserves to go with the borrowed money. [1:14:28, 1:14:30]: So we've spent [1:14:30, 1:14:33]: Y'all made decisions, which is great, it saved the taxpayers money. [1:14:34, 1:14:37]: You have spent some of your fund balance, your savings. [1:14:37, 1:14:43]: The better the quality of life for your citizens. And so it's seven million that reflected on this chart, but the number's actually higher. [1:14:44, 1:15:01]: 'Cause you were generating excess money over and above your budget some years. Thank you, Mr. Walls, for confirming that. Yes, so all of the cost overruns, those work orders and change orders, those are being paid and maybe Mr. Wiggins. Well he should be able to answer. Mr. Wiggins, this is a question for you. [1:15:01, 1:15:13]: The change orders and work orders um that were coming from the uh construction costs of the amphitheater, were those being paid through the fund balance? [1:15:15, 1:15:25]: Nick, you're doing this on hold. You being paid through front balance? Uh-huh. Was it paid through our savings account or was it being paid through our operating account? [1:15:26, 1:15:31]: of both. It was a little bit of both. A little bit of both. Yeah. Okay. Um I for me [1:15:32, 1:15:33]: I want to be transparent. [1:15:33, 1:15:34]: About [1:15:34, 1:15:35]: How we've spent money. [1:15:36, 1:15:41]: We don't get the financial analysis in its totality. [1:15:41, 1:15:44]: We just get bits and pieces here and there. [1:15:44, 1:15:46]: And it's difficult for me. [1:15:46, 1:15:47]: To really be able to [1:15:48, 1:15:48]: Um [1:15:49, 1:15:51]: Make sense of it all. [1:15:51, 1:15:56]: I know we bonded seven milyen dollars to complete the construction. [1:15:56, 1:15:57]: Of the amphitheater. [1:15:58, 1:16:00]: So the seven milyen that we bonded. [1:16:01, 1:16:02]: was not actually used. [1:16:04, 1:16:07]: to pay for those work orders and change orders. [1:16:07, 1:16:20]: It was already being that it we use that to pay for it. We also in our initial um payment for everything, we used about five, six million of uh reserve also. [1:16:21, 1:16:23]: to finish out paying out the um the amphitheater. [1:16:25, 1:16:26]: Thank you, sir. [1:16:27, 1:16:35]: I appreciate it. I just want um full disclosure of our financials. Um, not just of the police department, but of the amphitheater as well. [1:16:36, 1:16:47]: I'm just trying to determine where this seven million dollars um the difference is. That's all. Thank you. Mr. Thomas Squay, please. [1:16:47, 1:17:07]: Thank you, Mayor. Mr. Walls, uh, it's great to see you again today, sir. Thank you. Good to see you, Council. And and you know, we we do appreciate your uh due diligence and and your advice here at the city. Uh you you mentioned the word, this is not my original question, but you mentioned the word quality of life. And for [1:17:07, 1:17:15]: For me, and I think everyone needs to understand that you don't get quality of life for free. [1:17:16, 1:17:32]: You have to pay for quality of life. And I think, you know, most municipalities they try to provide that quality of life, but it does cost. But my question though is, uh, to your knowledge, is public safety [1:17:32, 1:17:34]: The largest budget. [1:17:35, 1:17:41]: Is is that the largest municipal budget, uh, to to your knowledge about public safety? [1:17:41, 1:17:53]: Y nearly always, yes, sir. Okay. It's like it's like schools with teachers. Right. You know schools pay teachers eighty percent of their budget. Public safety is the largest line item in a municipal budget. [1:17:53, 1:17:56]: And and I just want to make that very clear because [1:17:57, 1:18:11]: You know, you have public safety or you don't have public safety. We chose public safety as a part of quality of life. I yield back, Mayor. Thank you. Yeah, Chief Tramer, will you come to the podium? [1:18:21, 1:18:23]: He's gonna come to the podium. [1:18:27, 1:18:47]: Let me explain what I've attempted to do here, ladies and gentlemen, today is to we're talking about your money. Every cent of it. Whether we use it to cut the grass, whether we use it to uh invest in ten thousand dollars for our businesses to help them sustain through COVID. That's why I'm talking about everything. [1:18:47, 1:19:04]: I'm not just talking about one item or this millage because everything that we do is spending your money. I I I I cringe at the fact when we say, well, we took money out of fund balance. We took your money out of fund balance and gave it back to you. [1:19:05, 1:19:25]: You had that we had your money, tax money, in fund balance. We took three million dollars of the money you paid in sales tax and gave it back to you so we wouldn't have a city tax last year. It was your money that you already paid. It wasn't our money. So I cringe when [1:19:25, 1:19:41]: when people say, well you took that money, your money out of No, it wasn't our money. It was your money. So so you wouldn't have a property tax last year. We took three million dollars out of the out of the fund balance, the extra money that we had, so we wouldn't have a property tax last year. [1:19:42, 1:19:54]: I brought the chief to the podium so that he could explain to you. Say, I'ma tell you, look at God. We stepped out on faith when we took out a three million dollar bond to pay for the police department. [1:19:54, 1:20:06]: But Washington sent us a windfall of nine million dollars from the American Rescue Plan Funds. Our revenue did not go down during the time we had um [1:20:06, 1:20:26]: COVID. It actually maintained and went up a little bit. But that nine million dollars allowed us to start our own police department because there was additional funding out there. Chief, talk about s what you did with that nine million dollars that came from Washington so the taxpayers didn't have to buy it. Part of that was [1:20:26, 1:20:40]: totally refurbishing the police department, which was in disrepair in some instances when you took over, and it's now one of the finest um pol um law enforcement facilities in the state. [1:20:41, 1:21:01]: Certainly. And I believe if I'm not mistaken that the number was actually closer, it was over eleven million dollars that we received from ARPA funds. And um half of those funds were designated towards public safety. And with that, we were able to defer the costs um and to purchase outright the police vehicles and all the equipment associated with the startup of the police department. [1:21:01, 1:21:13]: I believe um last estimate we looked at that, Mr. Wiggins, correct me if I'm wrong, we spent just a little over six million dollars um in uh equipment, uh vehicles and all the associated um uh [1:21:13, 1:21:33]: supplies necessary to equip our police department. And again, had it not been for that, I think considering the timing of things, uh obviously would have been a more uh costly endeavor for the citizens of this community. And unfortunately, uh it was not. With the money that you'd mentioned it was bonded, we were able to defer that and as indicated the Henry [1:21:33, 1:21:53]: County uh police precinct, which was formerly uh City Hall as well, uh, was was obviously not something that um um it was someplace we could have operated, but not someplace that would have been inviting and would have accommodated our needs and also our future growth. In our open house, I think that you all were able to see that we have space in there that's still uh [1:21:53, 1:22:02]: Allows us room to uh grow our police department into the future. And it's also been a wonderful place to be able to bring members of the community together. [1:22:02, 1:22:22]: Uh those that have followed us and I'm sure this council has seen, we've been very involved with the community, bring community into that space and um utilizing that last week we just had uh a youth program that we hosted for an entire week. We brought them into our police department to do that. And um this space is not just for the police department, uh it's our community room and that space is open to all members. [1:22:22, 1:22:29]: uh of our community to connect and um to be partners with us in enhancing the quality of life and public safety in this community. [1:22:30, 1:22:50]: Well, certainly I appreciate that analysis to make sure that uh we were doing what was necessary with the people's money. As you said, we purchased uh all of the squat cars. And let me say when I say look at God, what I'm saying is at that time, I know Mr. Wall, you was you was a little cautious about us bonding the money, but guess what? Interest rate. [1:22:50, 1:23:10]: Rates were much lower at that time. Thank God we did what we did and bonded that money for the amphitheater and the police department at that time because the rates were much lower than you know now if you have an adjustable rate mortgage what the bre what the uh industry looks like now. So taking advantage of it at that time when the [1:23:10, 1:23:18]: Mortgage rates when the interest rates were low was ideal and key to us saving you millions of dollars over the course of the payback. [1:23:18, 1:23:25]: Please understand that right now we owe more money on the city hall than we do on the amphitheater. [1:23:26, 1:23:46]: And we built the amphithe city hall in 2009, right? So the city hall building here uh it was bonded as well. So that's been paid for over the course of time as we started to redevelop the entire downtown area. But to say to you, as was indicated on that graphic, if you [1:23:46, 1:23:53]: You own a relative, put the graphic back up with the dollar amounts uh on uh what the tax would be. [1:24:04, 1:24:24]: Okay, let's say you owned a three hundred, uh let's say you own a two hundred and seventy-five thousand dollar house and the millage was three point seven seven. That would be an overall tax bill of four fourteen. But half of that you're already paying it. So instead of paying four fourteen. [1:24:24, 1:24:44]: Additional tax, you'll be paying about$200 and additional tax on a$375,000 house. Why is that very important to you? Because, and why was I talking about the school board and the county commission earlier? Because my school board tax every year is$2,800. [1:24:44, 1:25:04]: That's how much it is this year. My county taxes are, you know, it absorbed an amount or make up as you saw on the graphic, a a higher percentage of that too. So compared to the school board charging you$2,800 in my case and the county. [1:25:04, 1:25:24]: Commission charging me about$1,000 in my case and other stuff to go with that. A city tax of us on a$300,000 house being$200,000 is relatively small. And this is why I say last night I was at the school board millage rate hearing, and there was less [1:25:24, 1:25:44]: People in the room than now. And you're paying them$3,000 a year. But because of how we advertised it, which I objected to, that the city would be issuing a six-mil tax. There was no way that we were ever gonna issue a six-mil tax. But since we advertised it that way, we got the community up and on. [1:25:44, 1:26:04]: Because everybody coming up in here thinking we're gonna charge you thousands of dollars. But most people in Starkbridge don't own, you know, three or four hundred thousand dollar houses. So ever most of the people will be paying less than two hundred dollars a year. It's more, I understand. I will be paying more. But as I said, I will rest on that decision forever and a day. [1:26:04, 1:26:13]: day that we made the right decision to build the amphitheater when I saw thirty five hundred people out there on Saturday and Sunday and we have [1:26:14, 1:26:34]: I can't tell you eight new businesses in downtown, frozen smoke right across the street if you haven't been to it, to understand that it is investment in the city. We invested in us, and now we got restaurants and shops downtown that we never had before. We invested that money in us to make sure that we improved the city and the overall cost. [1:26:34, 1:26:36]: quality of life with Councilman Thomas said. Thank you. [1:26:37, 1:26:57]: Mayor. Yes, sir. Go ahead, sir. Just a point of clarity, Councilman Alexander. The bonds that we did for the amphitheater, the nine million, they were paid by Sploss. So the amphitheater would be completely paid off on August one, twenty-five. Absolutely. Outstanding. Outstanding. [1:26:57, 1:27:17]: Say that again because in essence we will still be paying on City Hall. We'll still be paying on City Hall. But because of the decisions that we made, we'll be paying off this the amphitheater by when again? August one of twenty-five. August one of twenty-five. Yes, sir. You got to stand by. Go ahead, Mr. Blount. When we started the amphitheater, this council. [1:27:17, 1:27:20]: [5241.3, 5244.3]: We had a clear path on how we would pay for that amphitheater. [1:27:24, 1:27:30]: This is why this amphitheater is going to be paid for, because this council sat down. [1:27:31, 1:27:33]: And we decided how we was gonna do it. [1:27:33, 1:27:36]: And the role we was gonna take to do it as a as a whole. [1:27:37, 1:27:39]: When we started a police department. [1:27:40, 1:27:45]: The first time Councilwoman Gantt and myself found out we were starting a police department was at a council meeting. [1:27:45, 1:27:51]: when the other three council members voted to start it at that time. It was not a collaborative effort. [1:27:53, 1:28:00]: And so we didn't work together. Chief, you said that you spent the and and and I you done ex doing done and doing an excellent job. [1:28:01, 1:28:05]: What percentage of our opera money is spent toward salaries? [1:28:08, 1:28:26]: There there was none. We weren't eligible based on the way that ARPA was structured because we weren't a pre-existing police department, so we could not use that for salaries. Exactly. And so all the funding that came in through ARPA was through structural and equipment and all of these things. So it was federal funding. [1:28:27, 1:28:28]: That did that. [1:28:28, 1:28:30]: It's the city's funding. [1:28:31, 1:28:32]: The city [1:28:32, 1:28:38]: the city that pays the salaries. Let's make let's let's m make things crystal clear here. [1:28:39, 1:28:41]: And when we talk about bunding [1:28:42, 1:28:47]: It's interesting we s talk about the police department and we talk about the amphitheater. [1:28:48, 1:28:51]: But there was another entity in there that was [1:28:52, 1:28:53]: Two years ago approved. [1:28:54, 1:28:57]: Fourteen million dollars for a cultural arts center. [1:28:57, 1:29:05]: We can say where the interest rate back then, but we've been sitting on that$14 million in bond paying interest on it now for two years. [1:29:06, 1:29:09]: What is the interest rate we're paying on that fourteen million? [1:29:10, 1:29:11]: We're making money, right? [1:29:11, 1:29:12]: Two percent on it. [1:29:14, 1:29:18]: Wha what what is that what can you give me an amount on that two percent? [1:29:20, 1:29:21]: Two percent. [1:29:25, 1:29:27]: Two point five three percent. [1:29:28, 1:29:32]: What does that calculate in dollars? Three hundred and seventy six I. [1:29:32, 1:29:35]: How much? Three hundred and seventy six thousand dollars. [1:29:35, 1:29:39]: So we're paid over seven hundred thousand dollars in two years. [1:29:40, 1:29:43]: [5383.2, 5386.7]: Culture art I'm sorry, Cultural Art Center because we bonded it. [1:29:47, 1:29:52]: Bunded it. We're paying over seven hundred thousand dollars right now in interest. [1:29:53, 1:29:55]: Because once again [1:29:55, 1:29:57]: It was not a collaborative effort. [1:29:58, 1:30:09]: to do that right then and right there. We can say we say interest money. How much you're saving when you're paying almost but before we even start on this, it's gonna be over a million dollars interest paid. [1:30:10, 1:30:13]: There's nothing in the works to even start this culture art center right now. [1:30:15, 1:30:22]: It's not even on the radar, but we paid over seven hundred thousand dollars of the taxpayers' money for it to sit in bonds. [1:30:23, 1:30:26]: To sit in bonds that we haven't started on it. [1:30:26, 1:30:30]: We have to be careful and cautious that we're open with everything we do. [1:30:31, 1:30:32]: Every single thing we do. [1:30:33, 1:30:38]: When we talk about the the police apartment, that was an increase in our budget for salaries. [1:30:39, 1:30:40]: ARPA didn't pay that. [1:30:41, 1:30:45]: When we talk about our police department and chief, you're doing a great job and I thank you for it. [1:30:45, 1:30:50]: But we're gonna need more officers, we're gonna need more boots on the ground, we're gonna need more equipment. [1:30:50, 1:30:52]: We're gonna need all of this stuff. [1:30:53, 1:31:13]: And this is why this council should always try its best to work together and listen to our financial advisors and have a clear-cut path on how we get to where we're going, or we're gonna find bonds sitting down that this this because the bonding was 7,000 for the amphitheater, 14,000 coordinates. [1:31:13, 1:31:26]: cultural arts, uh and uh uh a thousand portrayal and three thousand three I'm sorry millions, I'm talking millions, seven million amphitheater, fourteen million culture arts, three million police department, one million trails. [1:31:27, 1:31:31]: And some of that interest rate gonna be brought down because we're paying the amphitheater off. [1:31:32, 1:31:40]: But the 25 million bond dollar bond, my million twenty-five million dollar bond is gonna have to be paid, and that's amount is an annual amount. [1:31:43, 1:31:46]: when four at least fourteen million of it didn't even have to be on there. [1:31:48, 1:31:49]: Because we're pa [1:31:49, 1:31:56]: We have to be careful and constant decision we make. We can talk about the pie in the sky for the city and I'm glad and I'm proud of it. [1:31:57, 1:32:00]: But we gotta talk about the mud also on the ground. [1:32:01, 1:32:04]: We're making decisions that dis didn't make sense to me. [1:32:05, 1:32:10]: Why are we sitting on all this money and bonds paying this interest when we wasn't ready to use it? [1:32:11, 1:32:20]: And you can say we save money on the interest rate, but if you're gonna pay over a million dollars of interest down the road, hey, I'd rather wait on it. [1:32:21, 1:32:23]: Those are decisions that we have to be open with. [1:32:25, 1:32:42]: Mayor, I have to be in Hampton at eleven o'clock, do this same kind of millage rate meeting in Hampton. Is it okay if I go? Okay, sir. I tell you what, just do this. Stand by one second. Mr. Cant, you joined us. Well you must have a quick question, I would imagine. Well thank you. And I apologize. I've been in court all morning, so I'm sorry I'm late, but [1:32:43, 1:32:43]: Um [1:32:44, 1:32:59]: I just wanted to remind my colleagues that this is a tax, a first hearing on whether or not we're going to implement a tax and what that mills rate is gonna be. And on my way here, it sounded like we were having a budget hearing. [1:33:00, 1:33:20]: This is not a budget hearing. This is about our tax. And we went around around and pointing the blame. The m it is what it is at this point. Um in nineteen seventy seven we had a police department. That was the last time we had one. That was forty six years ago, I know, because I was born in nineteen seventy seven, right? [1:33:19, 1:33:31]: So in 1977, we had a police. In 1972, that tax implementation for the police was eight millage. A millage of eight percent. [1:33:33, 1:33:44]: We have to do this. We've talked about it. I'm sorry if the people didn't hear it, if they we tried to tell them. Um, but also our constituents. [1:33:45, 1:33:53]: You know, some of us did warn them, some of us didn't, maybe. I don't know if they did or didn't. All I know is right now we should be hearing from the public. [1:33:53, 1:33:56]: This is our first meeting. We got another one to go. [1:33:56, 1:34:07]: This is not the time to try to justify why we're trying to do it at this point. We not necessarily justify but point blame about whether it's an amphitheater or art center or whatever. Who cares? [1:34:08, 1:34:13]: The amount what what the this is not a budget hearing, this is about our taxes. [1:34:14, 1:34:18]: And right now, constituents, we've said it over and over again. [1:34:19, 1:34:26]: You wanted public safety, the county wanted public safety, the chair of the county commissioner was very adamant that [1:34:27, 1:34:31]: came to me period point blank and said we need to get our own [1:34:31, 1:34:35]: And this has been going on since I've been here since twenty thirteen. [1:34:35, 1:34:46]: When they sounded off and sent a letter and saying we no longer le need police services down in the county. From there on and we've had this debate's been going on, the police department is here. [1:34:47, 1:34:49]: The amphitheater was paid through Splast. [1:34:50, 1:34:58]: Everyone knows that. That should not be an issue. I say let's hear from the public and let's move on to our second hearing, which is at six o'clock today. [1:34:59, 1:35:03]: Ms. Wall, thank you for being here. I would imagine you'd be with us this evening as well. [1:35:04, 1:35:06]: Okay. All right. Mr. uh Barber, please. [1:35:10, 1:35:20]: She had another you had your hand up. Never mind. Never mind. Thank you. All right. So on that note, uh it is a public hearing. So let's hear from the citizens if they need time to speak. [1:35:21, 1:35:40]: All let's let's start on my my very left side. All right, we should be over here. For anybody that's in uh p positive comments they they may want to say in reference to a potential millage uh increase or rate here. My left side. It don't work that way. And an anybody in the middle? [1:35:41, 1:35:41]: Ten minutes. [1:35:42, 1:35:44]: On my right side. [1:35:44, 1:35:55]: See none. Okay, any t any comments maybe say negative in the sense that they m may not want a millage rate. Uh any public comments on my left side. Anybody on my left? [1:35:56, 1:35:57]: Anybody in the middle? [1:35:59, 1:36:00]: Okay, anybody else in the middle? [1:36:01, 1:36:05]: Line up on this side you can look that'd be fine. Line up on that side, that'd be fine. Anybody else in the middle? [1:36:05, 1:36:07]: Anybody on my far right? [1:36:09, 1:36:14]: that that do not or have any type of negative comments or do not wanna don't understand don't wanna have a Miller's rate. [1:36:15, 1:36:15]: Do not [1:36:16, 1:36:16]: Excuse me. [1:36:18, 1:36:18]: Do not. [1:36:21, 1:36:31]: All right. So t okay. So n and no so you two only, it seems like. All right. So on that note then, uh, once you come to podium g your name and address and uh [1:36:33, 1:36:53]: No, do one at a time. One at a time, please. Give your name and address and go ahead and make your comments, please. No questions. My name is um Mindy Mayers, um 1008 Peaks Point in McDonough, Georgia. Um my concern is similar to um, yes, I was at the tax meeting yesterday with the school board, and I was concerned then with my count my taxes with Henry County as well. Um [1:36:53, 1:37:13]: It just feels like it's being forced down my throat. Um, and again, we're getting taxes on this end from Henry County, which is a lot, and then we're being asked here to take on taxes as well, whether it's a hundred dollars, two hundred dollars, or twenty dollars, again, that's coming out of my budget. My income is not going up like that. And no one else in this county's income is going up like that. I just really think the [1:37:12, 1:37:32]: The financial advisor made some really good points about let's look at some other places where we can get money from. He said you cannot just keep getting it from the sales tax. Let's be creative, let's go back to the budget. Everybody else has to tighten their belt at every other company, as well as where I work. And so let's look at other places where we can get this money from. We're talking about growth in Henry County. [1:37:32, 1:37:52]: I understand that. I know we're gonna continue to grow, but we need another path besides putting the ta putting it on the taxpayers back each time because you're gonna come for$20 here,$40 next year,$60 the next year, and Henry County's on the other end going up to$5,000. Like that's too much. Gas is up, you know, bacon is up. [1:37:52, 1:38:12]: Everything is up. Insurance is up. So we're going everybody else is saying, I'm just gonna go up$20. I'm just going up$20. But$20 is a lot when you add up everybody's$20. So I'm saying, can't we get creative with how we get money in this county? Because we're still gonna need next year the police department. You're gonna say you you need more. You're gonna need more for the roads next year. [1:38:12, 1:38:32]: So we need another plan for long term growth. So, you know, and I always look at the amphitheater. I love going there as well. But you know, what are we doing with that all year? Can we use that to make some money? Like what else can we do to make money? It's just very frustrating that we keep being asked to take on these expenses as the taxpayer. And I know for me, I just [1:38:32, 1:38:34]: just I I just don't support it. [1:38:34, 1:38:40]: I thank you. Appreciate your comments. Ma'am, uh name and address please. [1:38:40, 1:38:45]: Um Darlene Jackson and four two eight Tina Healy Court, Stockbridge. [1:38:45, 1:38:47]: Uh I've been here since two thousand five. [1:38:48, 1:39:08]: And uh I'm not liking what's going on now. Yes, I love the amphitheater. Where's the money going from the amphitheater? Why aren't we putting it back to where it can lower our taxes? I get alerts about new businesses that's being built more than one uh a week. You could say three, four days out of week. [1:39:08, 1:39:28]: Two and three businesses. Why aren't we letting them pay some of these taxes and stuff? I'm glad I came because COVID prevented us from coming to some of the meetings. And I agree that we need to be transparent on everything, where the money is going, how it's spent. [1:39:27, 1:39:47]: And now I'm at the point of thinking that maybe we should vote on be able to vote on some of these causes that's coming up too. Because I do that with my own budget. I know what I'm spending, I know what I'm saving, and I know uh I have a uh a savings account for each aspect of my life: vacation, uh, you know, for work on the house. [1:39:47, 1:39:50]: my house and for my future retirement. [1:39:51, 1:40:04]: So I agree we need to be a little bit more transparent because things have changed. Like I said, I've been here since two thousand five and it seemed like now everything is going downhill and I'm thinking about moving out this county. [1:40:05, 1:40:12]: Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Ma'am, do you want you w you wanted to make a comment that's uh against I guess for this? Sure, go ahead. Your name and address, please. [1:40:16, 1:40:33]: My name is Mondra Roberts. I live in Stockbridge uh for about close to five years now, so I'm new here. This meeting has been very confusing. There's transparency with some things and then others there is not. [1:40:34, 1:40:38]: And no one can make an informed decision as to whether they want something. [1:40:38, 1:40:47]: Or do not want something unless they have complete transparency at all of the information. [1:40:48, 1:40:57]: And i that's s I know that when you get new things like the amphitheater and other things that I've seen uh happen [1:40:57, 1:41:00]: І stockridge costs money. [1:41:01, 1:41:03]: The money has to come from someplace. [1:41:04, 1:41:05]: Амі, нас комонсен. [1:41:06, 1:41:09]: But without having the complete picture of what's going on. [1:41:10, 1:41:30]: No one can make an informed decision as to whether they want it or not. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Okay. Um all right. So that with that uh I will close the public hearing for now. And uh obviously uh we will do this a couple more times, and once again with this will be happening uh this evening at six. [1:41:30, 1:41:50]: o'clock and on that note um council we actually have um an executive session uh for uh legal real estate and personnel that we need to discuss so i for here yes sir yes we'll make a motion to go in executive session for real estate personnel and litigation thank you sir second [1:41:51, 1:41:51]: Is there a second? [1:41:53, 1:41:56]: So it's very important. It is, but is there a second [1:41:57, 1:42:01]: Okay. I second. Okay, Ms. Gantt second. All in favor, please indicate. [1:42:02, 1:42:20]: All in favor please indicate. I'm going to second session. I've got three three votes. Three four four votes. Four votes and uh okay, four votes and one abstention. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll go in the second session. We'll be back soon. Thank you. [1:42:20, 1:42:21]: We get to know. [1:43:12, 1:43:13]: [6198.7, 6202.2]: You know through the top day and so [1:51:20, 1:51:23]: Yes, I okay, Mr. Alexander, second that all in favor please indicate. [1:51:24, 1:51:44]: All right, on that note, uh and we have a uh we have actually have a announcement to make in reference to our executive session. And uh uh Mr. Uh Gardner, please. Yes. Um may I counsel, thank you um for confirming uh or voting to confirm uh nominee for IT director, Mr. Demon. [1:51:43, 1:51:51]: Demetrius Ivey. Mr. Ivey came to us with over 20 years' experience to include the United States Army, state of North Carolina. [1:51:51, 1:51:58]: Um into there where he's worked with us before here and um with Clayton County Health as their IT manager. So [1:51:58, 1:52:12]: All right, sir, so move. So move. Mr. Alzheimer's and Mr. Gantt, second that uh all favor, please indicate. All right, this passed unanimously uh welcome, uh Demetrius, appreciate it. Did you wanna come forward and say something quickly before we uh close out this meeting, sir? [1:52:16, 1:52:23]: Uh I just wanna say thank you guys for uh taking the opportunity, giving me this opportunity. Uh and I uh [1:52:25, 1:52:38]: Welcome to the team. Yeah. Thank you. All right. All right. On that note, uh Council need a motion to end this special call meeting. So moved. Mr. Gantt is there a second. Mr. second. All favor, please indicate. Uh God bless you. We'll see you this evening six. Thank you.