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--- title: Public Hearing 2 for Millage Rate date: 2023-07-18 source: 2023-07-18_Public_Hearing_2_for_Millage_Rate.wav --- [0:00:26, 0:00:31]: Hey Council, uh need you back at the dies please, so we can get started. [0:00:53, 0:00:57]: That's that's that's ours. Put it that's ours. He's he's he'll be right back. [0:01:05, 0:01:07]: Mr. Addison, it's time for us to get started at the meeting, please. [0:01:17, 0:01:18]: Oh my god [0:01:19, 0:01:20]: I don't know. [0:01:35, 0:01:40]: No, no, he's out he's right outside the door. Turn to Alpha's. [0:01:41, 0:01:52]: No um no, Mr. Blount already has it. Mr Blood has every time. Well I I just every time. But in but in essence, let's try to move back to rotating. All right, I appreciate it. [0:01:53, 0:01:54]: Go with [0:01:54, 0:02:01]: You have the rules of I I'm gonna do that this time. I I got it right here. I'm gonna do it. No problem, thank you. [0:02:22, 0:02:23]: Oh. [0:02:27, 0:02:30]: I don't know what the song said. Ready to be? [0:02:37, 0:02:47]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm gonna start this particular special call meeting. This is Tuesday, July eighteenth, twenty twenty three, and I have six oh four PM. [0:02:49, 0:02:55]: And call to order are in this aspect as well. And Mr. Blount, invocation, please. Please stand if you can. [0:03:01, 0:03:07]: Dear Heavenly Gracious Father, we come to you on this night. Thanking you, Lord, for your grace, and we thank you for your mercy. [0:03:08, 0:03:18]: We ask Heavenly Father that you would come into this meeting today. Heavenly Father, clear all minds and hearts. Let your will be done in all the decisions that are made today. We ask that you would continue to bless this community. [0:03:18, 0:03:38]: Bless the people. Bless the leaders. Bless those that are coming in and those that would be leaving out. So we thank you, Heavenly Father, for what you're doing, and we trust you in all things. Because Heavenly Father, in all things, all is well. We thank you for all that are here. And it's in Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. We pledge allegiance. [0:03:38, 0:03:50]: allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republicans, one nation, one God, individual, liberty, justice for all. [0:03:51, 0:03:52]: Madam Clerk, Roll Call, please. [0:03:54, 0:03:58]: Mayor Ford. Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. [0:03:59, 0:04:05]: Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt [0:04:07, 0:04:21]: Let the record reflect Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a call. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate that. Uh Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda so we can talk about a proposed millage rate. So moved. [0:04:22, 0:04:42]: Mr. Blount, so moved. Mr. Okay, Mr. Alexander, second. All in favor, please indicate. Unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, of course, this is a public hearing this evening. We have a couple of presentations that'll be given before we open it up for public hearing. Um and of course, Council, if there are any questions for presentations, please have direct questions uh that are relevant to the individual giving. [0:04:42, 0:05:02]: Given the presentation itself. As citizens, I'll reiterate this a little later on as well. But when you have when you call up, uh when you're up to the mic, I need your name and and uh address and you address if you have any issues or concerns, you address me as the presiding officer and I'm speaking to the mic so we can make sure we cover down on all the all the comments and make note of that. [0:05:02, 0:05:22]: And then because of the microphones are hot and it's just being streamed live on Facebook as well as it'll be online. So anytime anybody can go back and watch these uh comments, this meeting. All right. And uh you'll get advocate time to go ahead and speak uh when it comes to that point for the public hearing. All right, Mr. [0:05:22, 0:05:25]: Gardner, sir, it is on you, please. [0:05:25, 0:05:45]: Good evening, Mayor and Council, residents. So tonight uh we discussed the um proposal for potential millet rate for the city of Stockbridge. Um with that, uh we're gonna talk a little bit about the growth in the city, the impacts on city services, uh specifically public works and police, the impact of [0:05:45, 0:05:54]: of on the uh FY twenty four proposed budget and then talk about the millers rate and how the millers rate applies to um specific homes at home prices. [0:05:56, 0:06:07]: So as we talk about city of Stockbridge, um over the last thirty years, Stockbridge back in nineteen ninety had a population of just under four thousand people. [0:06:07, 0:06:09]: As you can tell from the chart. [0:06:09, 0:06:10]: In twenty [0:06:10, 0:06:15]: Two thousand we were eleven thousand people. By twenty ten we were twenty five thousand six hundred people. [0:06:15, 0:06:17]: By twenty twenty, twenty nine thousand. [0:06:18, 0:06:24]: It's estimated we're now twenty nine twenty what should be at twenty nine thousand in twenty twenty one. But as of January [0:06:25, 0:06:28]: of January of twenty twenty three. [0:06:28, 0:06:40]: We got an approval through a referendum to annex in roughly six hundred six thousand seven hundred plus people into the city, but drove our population over thirty-five thousand people here. [0:06:42, 0:06:47]: With that annexation to give you a comparison, that's about two thirds the size of the city of Hampton. [0:06:48, 0:06:53]: In in terms of the size of the area that we brought in and the number of people we brought in by population. [0:06:53, 0:06:56]: Um with that also we have roughly [0:06:56, 0:06:59]: Nine hundred units that have been approved for development under the c [0:07:00, 0:07:01]: under the city's development programme. [0:07:02, 0:07:07]: Which if you add that, once those folks those developments are built, you're looking at an additional fifty five hundred people. [0:07:08, 0:07:15]: Which drives our population right around forty-one to forty-two thousand people and having to provide services for those folks. [0:07:15, 0:07:16]: Right. [0:07:16, 0:07:36]: Some of the areas that we see, obviously from a public work standpoint, that are challenging as to relates to the annexation is we brought in 91 miles of new roads, right? About 43 miles of new sidewalks. Um those are estimated numbers, but pretty rough. Um and with that, obviously, we have the storm drains, the covetes, the [0:07:36, 0:07:51]: the pipes, the streets, the can and the right-of-way that we have to maintain on those roadways. Some of those roads, as we know, are older roads that were in Henry County and are now and along with our current city and roads. [0:07:52, 0:08:11]: But those roads are in need of resurfacing and repaving. Um some of them require maintenance along with uh restriping as well as with sidewalk improvements. Um signalization as well, uh as well as I said, sidewalk installation and maintenance within some of those older communities. Um [0:08:13, 0:08:26]: When we talk about the police department, the police department started in July one of twenty twenty-two. And as we know from our latest statistics from our chief of police, crime is actually down in the city of Stockbridge by about twenty-four percent. [0:08:26, 0:08:29]: But the police department is challenged as well. [0:08:29, 0:08:32]: With that growth in population as well. [0:08:32, 0:08:52]: As the future growth in population, we understand that there's going to be a need to address uh a need for additional police officers as well as the equipment that actually they we use to to provide their services on a day to day basis. Right now we're projected to have right around thirty eight hundred, thirty eight thousand calls for services by the end of this year is what we're doing. [0:08:52, 0:09:01]: we're tracking on. And obviously some of those calls weren't typical calls that Henry County was getting, but as our police have become more visible, so they become more called upon. [0:09:03, 0:09:08]: And so when we talk about comparison we looked at adjacent communities in the Metro area. [0:09:09, 0:09:29]: Right around roughly around our population and the number of police officers and the ratio towards population to police officers. And so we looked at the city of Griffin, uh the city of Duluth, uh Dalton, Douglasville, and Chi Ambley, which are roughly around the same size as us. We're looking at the number of officers. [0:09:29, 0:09:32]: Did they have to provide services within their community? [0:09:32, 0:09:44]: Um and I will say that of these communities, um, Shamblee's probably the only one that's close to us in terms of growth and uh for my potential growth to surpass these communities that will tell you where we're going. [0:09:45, 0:10:05]: So City of Griffin has 78 offices, and some of this is driven by demographics too. Let me make sure we clear that too. Um Duluth, 70 offices. They're roughly around 33,000 people. Dalton is 34,000. They have 78 offices. Douglasville is 35,000, 98 offices. We have 35,000, 36,000. [0:10:05, 0:10:25]: And remember that those 62 offices, 10 of those, were funded through our federal grant, which after three years we're fully required to pay for. Shambly, roughly 36, has 81 offices. When you look at our call for services, we're just above or above Shambly and estimated calls for [0:10:25, 0:10:45]: services for for this year at 34,000, 38,000 respectfully. But when you look at the ratio to officers, we're at five five hundred and seventy-seven persons per officer. And then when we look at as the financial advisor illustrated, obviously those communities are operating with some form of a mill to offset some of their [0:10:45, 0:10:57]: costs and as we displayed this morning, some of those communities also transfer funds from their major utilities into their general fund to offset their um public overall public safety costs and budget. [0:10:59, 0:11:06]: Okay, sir. Sir. Yes, sir, what's what's going on, sir? Yeah. Certainly I wanna just point out something. Go back to the previous graphic. [0:11:08, 0:11:20]: And I want everybody to take a deep breath, okay?'Cause everybody focused in on that one line that says millage. And let me tell you, nobody up here is trying to vote for a six mil tax. Zero. Not none of us. So continue, Mr. Gardner. [0:11:24, 0:11:44]: Yes, sir. So our budget at a glance, uh this year as I mentioned, we started our budget process a little earlier to get ahead. Um and with with working with our staff, our general fund budget, our expenditures, we came up after going through uh budget process, right around twenty six point seven million dollars for the general fund. [0:11:45, 0:11:51]: Um and our general fund estimated revenues was right around nineteen point five. That left us with a six point eight [0:11:51, 0:11:54]: million deficit um between revenues to expenses. [0:11:54, 0:12:04]: And so at the bottom of the chart you can see where it says no military. So with that we would have to pull those funds. Um, Baron obviously we still can do some minuses down. [0:12:05, 0:12:10]: But roughly around there because we've gone through the budget substantially with our department heads. Um [0:12:10, 0:12:30]: With no mills, you're looking at a six point eight. We don't move you don't do address it with a millage rate of some type, you're gonna be looking at that coming out of our fund balance. And as Ed spoke this morning, um the goal is to at least have somewhere around three to six months of reserve um in your coffers. Um option two applies that if we are [0:12:30, 0:12:40]: are actually able to do to keep the existing millage rate. So right now every resident of the city of Stockbridge is paying a one point nine oh four millage rate. [0:12:41, 0:12:45]: For those folks who are annexed in, they're actually paying right around two mils. [0:12:45, 0:12:50]: Uh the one point nine was p for public safety for police district. [0:12:50, 0:12:51]: Please ovi [0:12:51, 0:12:55]: And there's about a three point w point three one four [0:12:55, 0:13:04]: Mills that everybody's paying was paying for code enforcement. So for those unincorporated residents, they're actually paying a little bit more because the city has its own code enforcement. [0:13:04, 0:13:24]: Sir. Yeah, what you need to say. Yeah, I appreciate that. And I want to stop so we can make sure that everybody absorbed that information. On that line that says one point oh nine mils, everybody in city of Stockbridge has been paying that for decades. You've already been paying it. So it's not new that one point nine [0:13:24, 0:13:44]: So option number two, you've been already been paying that for over a decade now. So that's kind of where we are in that. Many people were confused about the fact that the city didn't have a city tax. As a matter of fact, we did. The county was collecting that 1.09 and you paid it through your city tax uh through your property tax. [0:13:44, 0:13:50]: Tax. The reason the county was collecting it was specifically because we had Henry County Police Service. Thank you. [0:13:52, 0:14:00]: Go ahead, Mr. Garner, continue please. So option three, um Rita Miller's rate obviously uh would give us [0:14:01, 0:14:03]: Would give us uh property values right around [0:14:06, 0:14:13]: Would give us a deficit once you apply the military two, it would give us a deficit of other than the three million at one point oh nine. [0:14:13, 0:14:15]: One point nine oh four would be fifty four. [0:14:16, 0:14:21]: fifty four thousand seven hundred and seventy four dollars at three point seven seven mils. [0:14:21, 0:14:23]: Um option for [0:14:23, 0:14:24]: will reflect [0:14:25, 0:14:37]: a millage rate with a revenue of seven point two, which reduce which would now give you a surplus of f uh four hundred and forty eight thousand. And then um option five will obviously it it [0:14:38, 0:14:57]: Excuse me, at four four point two one five mills would give you revenue of s uh seven point six million and give you just uh plus revenue to expense right around eight hundred and thirty eight and six mils, which was advertised obviously, would give you ten million ten million, ten point eight million, with a roughly four million dollar surplus. [0:15:00, 0:15:20]: Uh as we talked about our fund balance and recognizing that the utilization of the fund balance this morning, some of that obviously was to cover some of the costs and some of the um public improvements that were done throughout the city. Um and right now we're estimated our fund balance at twelve million dollars. Um that's unaudited. We should be getting our audit report fairly soon, but as you can see, we've gone [0:15:20, 0:15:23]: gone from nineteen to twelve over the last um [0:15:25, 0:15:28]: Last five years. Four, five years. [0:15:31, 0:15:36]: So when we talk about applying the military, so in blue, the first blue you see is what everyone's currently paying. [0:15:36, 0:15:39]: Is that one point nine oh four mil? [0:15:39, 0:15:40]: Of tax. [0:15:40, 0:15:42]: Ah, that currently applies to a home in the city. [0:15:43, 0:15:48]: How that currently applies to a home in the city is a home valued at a hundred, recognizing that [0:15:48, 0:16:08]: You don't pay on a hundred percent of your assessed appraised value, it's forty percent of your appraised value in the state of Georgia. As um Miss our financial advisor was talking this morning, if you're in the state of Alabama, it's on one percent. So you do forty percent here. Um so that forty percent obviously at a hundred leaves you forty forty thousand is actually applied towards [0:16:08, 0:16:17]: The mil the military is applied to. So when you apply that 1.904, that person pays$76 in property tax on an annualized basis. [0:16:18, 0:16:22]: For a home in the middle at two hundred and seventy five at one point nine they pay [0:16:23, 0:16:28]: two hundred and nine dollars and forty four cents on an annual basis for taxes and at the high end [0:16:29, 0:16:34]: And the mid the median home in the city of Starbage right now is around around two hundred and seventy, two hundred and seventy five thousand. [0:16:36, 0:16:45]: So that 375 is typically on the high end. Right now they're paying about$285 in in property taxes. Um and this is for the police service. [0:16:46, 0:16:52]: And as you can tell, the police service with that on tail brings right around three point four, three point five million rounded off. [0:16:52, 0:17:00]: is what you collect. Um and when you look when we look at our police service, our police service is at um eight point two million. [0:17:02, 0:17:10]: Um two mils a tax. Once is applied, that'll be an increase. That increase on top of what you're paying now is a.096 mil increase. [0:17:11, 0:17:23]: But at two mills, you'll be paying on a hundred thousand on an annualized basis eighty dollars, on a home at two hundred and seventy-five at two hundred and twenty, and on a home at two hundred three hundred and seventy-five, three hundred dollars. [0:17:25, 0:17:30]: At three point seven seven, which is a one point eight six increase above what you're currently paying now. [0:17:31, 0:17:47]: That home is now that home at one hundred is paying a hundred and fifty dollars on an annualized basis. The home at two seventy is paying four fourteen. And home valued appraised valued appraised valued at three hundred and seventy-five is paying five hundred and sixty-five. Mr. Gardner. Yes, sir. [0:17:48, 0:17:53]: What's going on, sir? Go ahead. These numbers seem inconsistent with the numbers that we saw this morning. [0:17:53, 0:17:53]: No, sir. [0:17:54, 0:17:59]: Because uh that two hundred that four fourteen right there was um [0:18:00, 0:18:02]: Minus the one point nine four. [0:18:03, 0:18:23]: No sure. The the all we did was added the difference, the top line here to add to show you the difference, but the two mils, those numbers are still should be consistent. At two seventy-five this morning, when I asked Mr. Wall about the four fourteen, he said that we needed to take the one eighty six from it in order to get the actual bottom line. [0:18:23, 0:18:43]: Okay, so that's what the number up there where you see the increase arrow right under the three point seven seven mils. It's the difference between what the difference you're paying between what you currently paid 1.904 minus that from the 3.7, that gives you a 1.86 increase. If you add those two back to each other, it'll get you back to the three. [0:18:43, 0:19:03]: So it's just illustrating that you're currently paying this, but if you even if you go to the higher number, that's the difference. That doesn't change the underlying value because you're the uh the overlying value is based on the three point seven seven mils, not the eight point six five. It's on the overall. So it's it's it's taking into account the seventy-six. [0:19:03, 0:19:07]: That 76 is included in the 150 if you just look at the$100,000 value. [0:19:08, 0:19:28]: That's already in. This is based off the conversation earlier this morning that made it to make it a little easier to to digest. I'm just trying to understand, so I want to make sure everybody understand because this morning at 414 at 377, we said we needed to take 200, we need to take the 1.4 away from that to give us the actual total for. [0:19:28, 0:19:41]: for two seventy five. So so if you're looking at the point nine oh four, right, that's n the nine oh four is not plus the three point seven seven. If that was the case then you'd have a higher number. [0:19:41, 0:19:57]: The three point seven seven incorporates the the one point nine oh four already is in that. It's embedded in that number. The difference is the one point eight six to get you to that three point seven seven is what gives you the difference in the millage rate going down the line. And um am I correct, Mr. [0:19:58, 0:20:03]: Tax assessor, I think you're you're here to in terms of the questioning that we are going through right now. [0:20:04, 0:20:24]: I just want to make sure that we get the number right'cause this morning what was said was that four fourteen number, like for two hundred and seventy five thousand at three seventy seven, that four fourteen number was to take away the uh one point nine four. That's not a plus because we uh this plus this you still get that that's what supplies [0:20:24, 0:20:28]: Right. And that's what I was trying to explain to it. Right. [0:20:29, 0:20:40]: Yeah, it looks like the three point seven seven includes the one point nine oh four. I think that your question contributed. But I'm saying right, we needed to take that out because they've already been paying that so they can understand that's the difference. [0:20:40, 0:20:47]: Okay. Then yeah, then understood. But overall, once you apply the overall even if you take it out, you still [0:20:48, 0:21:05]: Th what what I'm trying to do is to make make sure that they understand they've already been paying two hundred dollars of that already. The difference is between what we're doing now if we did three point seven seven is they would be adding two hundred dollars to what they're already paying to get to four fourteen. [0:21:06, 0:21:26]: Uh hold hold on hold on hold on man. You'll get your opportunity to speak. Not right now. You'll get your opportunity to speak. So understood. So what I what I was told uh this morning what I did was make the change based on the percentage to show the difference in the millers rate. So what you want to see is the difference of what that one point eight is d once applied, what it would do. Right. I w I want everybody to leave here, understand. [0:21:26, 0:21:46]: That they've been paying the one point nine four. So if they had a two hundred and seventy-five thousand dollar house, they're not paying an additional four fourteen. They're only paying an additional around two hundred dollars because they've already been paying half of that uh through the one point nine four. But your token. Right. But you yes, sir. [0:21:48, 0:21:49]: No. Stand my one second. [0:21:52, 0:21:54]: Uh okay. You got the yes sir, Miss Blount. [0:21:55, 0:22:11]: Uh Mr. Gardner, um well two things. When we look at these numbers, I think it's been stated that one point nine zero four is already a millage rate that's already been paid to the county. [0:22:12, 0:22:23]: So uh I'm gonna believe that everybody believe that the ending number that we have is gonna be inclusive of that. Or you can you can you can take it out and get your number, you can add it in and get the tot total number. [0:22:23, 0:22:26]: Also, my second question is that [0:22:27, 0:22:47]: This um will this be on our website for the citizens to download? I'm gonna make sure this gets posted this evening. So everyone here that's here, remember this this uh whole uh presentation is gonna be on our website. So if you see something that you want to question or whatever, ask your uh your um [0:22:47, 0:22:51]: representative for your districts or whatever, uh, it will be on the website. [0:22:54, 0:22:57]: Okay, Mr. Gardner, uh continue please. All right. [0:23:00, 0:23:20]: So what we did here was show exactly what if you applied um the proposed mills rate at the at a home, this typical home based on the appraised value under the tax assessors, um what those homes look like and obviously hope I didn't offend anybody by putting their homes on here, but um what that would mean. [0:23:20, 0:23:21]: So what you're currently paying. [0:23:21, 0:23:36]: Um annualized at the one point nine oh four and what that means monthly. So at one nine oh four you've been paying s six dollars and thirty three cents a month at seventy six dollars a year. For home valued at two seventy five, you were doing [0:23:36, 0:23:39]: Um a hundred and seventy four dollars, which is fourteen dollars a month. [0:23:40, 0:23:47]: Um at the proposed two point four nine, you're looking at fourteen dollars a month or hundred and sixty-four. At a home value to two twenty. [0:23:48, 0:23:50]: Yeah, three hundred and seventy nine or thirty one dollars a month. [0:23:53, 0:24:08]: Same here for home at 275, which was my old house. Um at uh one point nine oh four, two hundred nine dollars, fourteen dollars a month, or four hundred and thirty-six at two point four two point four point two one five at thirty-six dollars a month. [0:24:08, 0:24:15]: And for homes three hundred and seventy five at one point nine oh four they were paying two hundred and eighty five or twenty three dollars a month. [0:24:15, 0:24:20]: At the four point two it'd be six hundred and thirty two or fifty two dollars a month. [0:24:23, 0:24:24]: I'm sorry, ma'am. [0:24:26, 0:24:38]: All right. So when we talk about um taxing and where did your tax dollar go, so if you took a dollar and you paid it to the tax assessor's office, who gets that dollar and what percentage of? So that one dollar [0:24:39, 0:24:59]: About fifty-nine fifty-nine cents of that dollar goes to the Board of Education. About twenty-six cents goes to uh Henry County. And if the city approves a millage rate um at four point two, about eleven and a half cents goes to the city. And right now there's a [0:24:59, 0:25:07]: Two mil tax, which is about five percent, goes to the water authority. So you're paying that, but that's scheduled to go away, I think, at the end of 2025. [0:25:10, 0:25:30]: So how is it distributed as it relates to city operations? Um and in most municipalities, public safety is their at most expensive costs, um, police or police on fire, and you add in the courts. So at thirty-two percent is uh would be our highest, which is public safety, general government at thirty-one, public works at twenty-one. [0:25:30, 0:25:33]: percent and uh debt services sixteen percent. [0:25:36, 0:25:55]: And that's the end of our presentation. Thank you, Mr. Gardner. Um if Mr. M stand by Mr. Gardner. I'm sorry. All right, so counsel, obviously you know this is a public hearing. So there are any specific we had a few questions, so any specific questions pre relevant to his presentation, we'll take them now. If that's okay, specific questions or concerns you may have on him before we bring up Mr. Harris. [0:25:55, 0:26:08]: Yes sir, Mr. Yeah, yeah, Mr. Harris will come. He's here. He's he'll be he'll be next. Just wanna make sure about the council here. Are we good? On the council. Okay. So okay, I'm sorry, Miss Barber, go ahead, please. Okay. Uh Mr. Gardner. Yes, ma'am. [0:26:09, 0:26:11]: Some of these questions I asked this morning. [0:26:11, 0:26:13]: But I want to ask them again just [0:26:13, 0:26:15]: For a public knowledge. [0:26:15, 0:26:16]: So [0:26:16, 0:26:17]: Follow along with me. [0:26:17, 0:26:20]: Including some of the questions that I sent to you via email. [0:26:21, 0:26:21]: Um [0:26:22, 0:26:28]: You mentioned during your presentation that there are nine hundred plus units that have been approved for development. [0:26:28, 0:26:29]: Up until this point. [0:26:30, 0:26:31]: Um [0:26:31, 0:26:34]: Think it was nineteen hundred. [0:26:35, 0:26:37]: I'm sorry. Nineteen hundred. Nineteen hundred. Thank you, sir. [0:26:39, 0:26:41]: Okay, as of today. [0:26:41, 0:26:52]: The city has brought in ninety one miles of roadway. Ninety one that we are Yes, ma'am, ninety one miles of roadway and about forty something miles of sidewalks estimated from what came in through the annexation. Thank you, sir. [0:26:53, 0:26:54]: Um [0:26:55, 0:26:56]: The slide that you have [0:26:57, 0:27:00]: That shows the police staffing comparison by city. [0:27:01, 0:27:02]: Can you show that again? [0:27:03, 0:27:06]: Okay. So the same question I asked this morning. [0:27:07, 0:27:11]: Which of these and I know you mentioned it, but which of these cities um [0:27:11, 0:27:13]: have their own fire department. [0:27:14, 0:27:19]: Uh I think all except for remember correctly, City of Chambelly, I think it is. [0:27:20, 0:27:23]: So Douglasville, Dalton, Duluth, Griffin has a fire department. [0:27:24, 0:27:29]: Thank you, sir. Yes, ma'am. Can you tell me which of these cities have their own utilities? [0:27:29, 0:27:49]: So they they all have water and sewer. Uh Griffin and Dalton have electric utilities. Um as I mentioned before, having worked in the city of Griffin for eight years. The city of Griffin has a structural deficit between revenues and expenses. So they offset the the difference between the revenues and expenses. [0:27:49, 0:27:51]: and spirit funds from the electric utility. [0:27:52, 0:27:56]: Okay. And why that is important is because when you look at the millage rate [0:27:57, 0:28:00]: Although the population of each of these cities [0:28:00, 0:28:01]: А симле. [0:28:02, 0:28:02]: Close him. [0:28:03, 0:28:05]: population of the city of Stockbridge. [0:28:05, 0:28:06]: Um [0:28:06, 0:28:07]: Their military [0:28:08, 0:28:12]: Actually is determined by whether or not it includes [0:28:12, 0:28:13]: A fire department. [0:28:14, 0:28:16]: Or if they have their own utilities. [0:28:16, 0:28:18]: So you see their milge rates. [0:28:19, 0:28:20]: Several of them are at [0:28:20, 0:28:21]: Six. [0:28:21, 0:28:21]: Point. [0:28:22, 0:28:25]: two five eight and six point five five one and [0:28:25, 0:28:26]: Six point two five. [0:28:26, 0:28:27]: That's because they [0:28:28, 0:28:31]: have either utilities or fire department. [0:28:31, 0:28:34]: We don't have a fire department. [0:28:34, 0:28:46]: No ma'am, and so we won't be No, we're not going in the fire business, as far as I know. That's that's not something I would recommend. Okay. Obviously having been into no. I was just trying to explain the point that we won't need a six meal. [0:28:47, 0:28:50]: In fact, staff is recommending a four point [0:28:50, 0:28:51]: Two mil. [0:28:51, 0:28:52]: Yes, ma'am. Okay. [0:28:54, 0:28:56]: Okay, thank you for that. Um [0:28:57, 0:29:05]: The other question, the slide that you show as a preliminary general fund FY twenty four budget at a glance. [0:29:05, 0:29:06]: Yes, ma'am. Yeah. [0:29:06, 0:29:08]: This is staff's recommendation. [0:29:09, 0:29:11]: Today is the first time that the governing body [0:29:11, 0:29:13]: has had an opportunity to see this. [0:29:13, 0:29:15]: We haven't had a budget retreat just yet. [0:29:16, 0:29:16]: So [0:29:16, 0:29:19]: as the public is asking questions. [0:29:19, 0:29:21]: We're asking questions about this as well. [0:29:21, 0:29:22]: Um [0:29:24, 0:29:28]: And if you don't mind, Mr. Gardner, um several of the questions that I email to you. [0:29:28, 0:29:33]: After our nine AM meeting, I'd like for us to just go over them. [0:29:33, 0:29:35]: Um just for public knowledge. [0:29:46, 0:29:50]: Okay. My question was at the millage rate will the gov [0:29:50, 0:29:53]: А what military will the governing body adopt? [0:29:54, 0:29:59]: Your response was staff is proposing a four point two one five. [0:29:59, 0:30:01]: meal that would cover the public safety. [0:30:01, 0:30:02]: And infrastructure. [0:30:05, 0:30:08]: My next question was other than funding the police department. [0:30:08, 0:30:11]: At the staff le level recommendation. [0:30:11, 0:30:13]: What other expenditures? [0:30:13, 0:30:17]: Does the city plan to use these specific municipal tax dollars for? [0:30:18, 0:30:21]: А і інфраструктус адишла поліціос. [0:30:23, 0:30:25]: You want me to read your response and you want to respond? Okay. [0:30:26, 0:30:29]: You answered it is estimated that the new millage would cover [0:30:29, 0:30:32]: The police needs that includes additional officers. [0:30:33, 0:30:34]: And assist with public works. [0:30:34, 0:30:35]: And road maintenance. [0:30:36, 0:30:41]: My next question was, what are the specific projects and the estimated costs? [0:30:42, 0:30:51]: Your answer was the roadway and sidewalkwalk projects outside of SPLOST and T SPLOST will be dependent upon the assessment. [0:30:52, 0:30:54]: equals the one million estimated. [0:30:55, 0:30:56]: And the Lamig match. [0:30:57, 0:30:58]: We have eighty six thousand. [0:30:59, 0:31:04]: will include once g dot finalized population difference due to the annexation. [0:31:06, 0:31:12]: You'll need to kinda explain that a little further. So with the FADA we ran from uh twenty twenty census number. [0:31:19, 0:31:34]: So s the sent the way we the way G Rot works on our on LMEGs is we go by our decennial census numbers. So at twenty twenty we were right around twenty nine thousand. So our match is based on our population LMEG, which is our [0:31:35, 0:31:49]: transportation match for transportation improvements, either sidewalks or street improvements, um, is based on your population share as relates to all the communities in the state of Georgia. So the fact that the we had an organization of sixty seven hundred people. [0:31:49, 0:32:02]: That race our number right over thirty five, thirty-six thousand people. So they have to recalculate what our overall total would be and based on that total, what our match would be. So it'll be above and beyond what we currently have because it's based on the previous number. [0:32:02, 0:32:07]: So that number we haven't gotten from them yet, so we don't know what our total would be and we don't know what our match requirement would be. [0:32:08, 0:32:14]: Um and the same um if you can provide an explanation with the police equipment. [0:32:14, 0:32:34]: The cars, the flat trails. So yeah, so so Chief is proposing obviously to add additional offices and with those additional offices come the need for the equipment for them to obviously be able to do provide the services that they're um sworn to do. That also includes us upgrading and going utilizing technology as a relationship. [0:32:34, 0:32:54]: To C C TV and flock cameras around the community. As you know, we've had some issues, but the key areas where we've had the cameras, we've had good success. So being able to have that camera there available. We also have to have an area where we bring folks into the building. It's a covered area, so that facility kind of like a sally port that you typically see around your court buildings. [0:32:54, 0:33:04]: is what they're wanting to look at as well. And um other equipment, pol you know, guns and those four things to go with those officers as well. You have an estimated cost for all of that? [0:33:05, 0:33:21]: Uh, Ms. Blount uh uh Mr. Carnegie, please speak up sir. The email has an estimated cost. I think of one point two I think it's estimated one point two million above for their capital employment. I'm sorry. It's I think it's one point two million, I think it's for their capital needs to to cover those costs. Yes, ma'am. [0:33:22, 0:33:30]: Okay. Um the next question was: we've surpassed the mid-year budget cycle. Um, when should the council expect a mid-year budget review? [0:33:30, 0:33:31]: As I've requested. [0:33:32, 0:33:34]: You said it is the goal of the treasurer. [0:33:34, 0:33:35]: To provide a half. [0:33:35, 0:33:37]: Report to council at the budget retreat. [0:33:38, 0:33:38]: In August. [0:33:39, 0:33:40]: August tenth through the eleventh. [0:33:41, 0:33:44]: My last question there are budgeted items. [0:33:44, 0:33:46]: That should be reconsidered. [0:33:46, 0:33:52]: By reducing the amounts, specific budgeted items, or perhaps canceling. [0:33:52, 0:33:54]: specific budgeted items. [0:33:55, 0:33:59]: You answered accounting and finance staff will review areas of the budget. [0:34:00, 0:34:01]: That are either short or long. [0:34:01, 0:34:02]: On funds. [0:34:02, 0:34:05]: And adjust as needed to balance the overall budget. [0:34:05, 0:34:06]: As required by law. [0:34:07, 0:34:10]: This work is subsequently reviewed by our auditors. [0:34:10, 0:34:11]: In accordance [0:34:11, 0:34:13]: We're generally accepting accounting principles. [0:34:16, 0:34:18]: Thank you for your responses, sir. Um I kinda [0:34:19, 0:34:22]: Really was hoping that we would have a mid year budget review. [0:34:22, 0:34:24]: prior to the council adopting. [0:34:25, 0:34:25]: A military. [0:34:26, 0:34:28]: I wanna know what those expenses. [0:34:29, 0:34:29]: Um [0:34:29, 0:34:30]: are projected. [0:34:31, 0:34:32]: I don't have that in front of me. [0:34:33, 0:34:35]: I know there is a need for us to [0:34:35, 0:34:38]: Have more funding for infrastructure improvements. [0:34:39, 0:34:40]: That is necessary. [0:34:40, 0:34:42]: А ноти асо несери. [0:34:42, 0:34:44]: For us to have additional officers. [0:34:45, 0:34:46]: That is necessary. [0:34:47, 0:34:48]: But the cost. [0:34:48, 0:34:49]: Associated with those. [0:34:50, 0:34:51]: I don't have those. [0:34:51, 0:34:52]: Other than [0:34:53, 0:34:55]: Ді фінаншол, до фулфенчу. [0:34:55, 0:34:58]: That Mr. Wiggins sent to us after the meeting. [0:34:58, 0:34:59]: Um none of it. [0:35:00, 0:35:01]: Has been [0:35:01, 0:35:02]: Analyzed. [0:35:02, 0:35:03]: So [0:35:04, 0:35:06]: I was hoping that we'd be able to [0:35:06, 0:35:07]: Um [0:35:08, 0:35:09]: Have the budget re [0:35:09, 0:35:11]: Budget retreat sooner. [0:35:11, 0:35:14]: Then August, since the council has to make a [0:35:15, 0:35:20]: recommendation or approve or adopt a millet rate before August. Is that possible? [0:35:21, 0:35:23]: Is that a question for you, Mr. Gardner, or Mr. Wiggins? [0:35:25, 0:35:26]: Um [0:35:27, 0:35:47]: In consulting with Mr. Wiggins, ma'am, I I think the treasurer goal was to present that the half-year review of the budget at the budget retreat. Um, as it relates to the data that you currently get, that is predicated on the current year's budget. Whatever we do is gonna help us in the future. [0:35:46, 0:35:53]: future years budget and the future needs. So those requirements for additional offices are not addressed in the current year, obviously. [0:35:53, 0:36:00]: Um and that's where Mr. Wall was speaking from the fact that we were having to pull money from reserves to cover those costs. [0:36:00, 0:36:08]: Um so that obviously in the way our budget is driven, our budget is driven on not on a fiscal year which is June [0:36:08, 0:36:23]: June July one to June thirtieth, our budget is December one to January to December thirty first. So at the budget retreat is unfortunate the way this process is done doesn't predicate us actually adopting a budget before that time. [0:36:23, 0:36:29]: Um it puts it in the middle, which is not a bad thing, not a bad space to be, but at the same time [0:36:29, 0:36:31]: You you you know [0:36:32, 0:36:52]: The way the budget is done is the budget is supposed to be the council no later than sixty days from the end of the year, which usually puts it in the month of October. Um our goal was obviously get you a budget as quickly as possible. We worked on the overall budget, which we presented to you guys um over a month ago, I think, when we came and we showed exactly where we were. [0:36:52, 0:37:04]: as it relates to the estimated budget and that we would continue to refine and tweak the budget as we go forward. And then when we meet with you guys in August, um that was on the calendar that we presented back in May. [0:37:04, 0:37:24]: Um to show exactly where we would, you know, what we can do to either refine the budget even more so. So that way you guys would have to budget at least seven months ahead of the sixty day requirements that required by the Well, one of my concerns is um there may be some items that the council [0:37:24, 0:37:26]: Yes, ma'am. [0:37:27, 0:37:30]: We may want to take a second look at all of those items. [0:37:31, 0:37:41]: I understand that the budget amounts are all set and were approved by the council, so any amendments to the budget. [0:37:41, 0:37:43]: Whether to decrease them. [0:37:43, 0:37:45]: Whether to increase them [0:37:45, 0:37:47]: Та із до респонсаби. [0:37:47, 0:37:48]: Of the council. [0:37:50, 0:37:50]: Not staff. [0:37:51, 0:37:54]: May I I'm respectfully [0:37:54, 0:37:55]: For [0:37:55, 0:37:57]: Financial information. [0:37:57, 0:37:59]: Whenever any expenditure [0:37:59, 0:38:01]: has been brought to the council. [0:38:01, 0:38:03]: It is our responsibility to be fiscally [0:38:03, 0:38:04]: Responsible. [0:38:04, 0:38:06]: We can't do that. [0:38:06, 0:38:08]: unless we're provided with the information. [0:38:08, 0:38:11]: And I think it's crucial at this point. [0:38:11, 0:38:14]: While we're making a decision such as imposing [0:38:15, 0:38:16]: A tax. [0:38:16, 0:38:19]: Да ви аби а прийзд о фінанс. [0:38:19, 0:38:23]: Full financials, not just what's in our [0:38:23, 0:38:26]: general fund and what may be in our savings account. [0:38:27, 0:38:30]: I want to see what's in our splosed accounts, our lost accounts. [0:38:30, 0:38:33]: А вона си алтанська. [0:38:34, 0:38:36]: На час what you want to show me. [0:38:36, 0:38:39]: That is what's making it difficult for me. [0:38:39, 0:38:41]: Your presentation um [0:38:41, 0:38:42]: is high level. [0:38:43, 0:38:45]: And it's detailed, it gives enough information. [0:38:45, 0:38:48]: for residents to kinda understand where we're going. [0:38:48, 0:38:49]: But the specifics. [0:38:50, 0:38:52]: The estimated cost for these roads. [0:38:53, 0:38:56]: Форм the police that we need to hire. [0:38:57, 0:38:58]: I don't have an answer for that. [0:39:00, 0:39:05]: Yes, ma'am. Uh as it relates to to budget adjustments as we go through. [0:39:05, 0:39:11]: In my thirty years in government that's usually done by your professional staff in accounting and finance and your manager. [0:39:11, 0:39:11]: Um [0:39:12, 0:39:16]: That's that's what you hire us for. We have a fiduciary responsibility as well to make sure that we [0:39:16, 0:39:17]: Keep and [0:39:18, 0:39:19]: within our budget, within means. [0:39:19, 0:39:36]: So and as it relates to the details as as you specify, ma'am, we give you guys and have been giving you guys this year the monthly statements to reflect exactly where we are. So what you've given us statements to reflect what? [0:39:37, 0:39:41]: We have given council monthly statements that's not true, Mr. Gardner. [0:39:41, 0:39:44]: Okay. Monthly statements have not come to this council. [0:39:45, 0:39:47]: They have not. [0:39:47, 0:39:48]: А рекласти [0:39:49, 0:39:53]: that they be sent to this council. In fact I said every meeting [0:39:53, 0:40:02]: Okay. Okay. Every meeting this council needs to have financial statements regarding whatever account [0:40:02, 0:40:03]: And expenditure. [0:40:04, 0:40:05]: Is being requested from this council. [0:40:06, 0:40:07]: I've asked that. [0:40:07, 0:40:09]: I stopped asking. [0:40:09, 0:40:11]: I stopped asking up until this morning. [0:40:12, 0:40:14]: We are in a crucial time. [0:40:14, 0:40:15]: Here in our city. [0:40:16, 0:40:17]: Mr Wiggins. [0:40:18, 0:40:20]: Are you a resident of the city of Stockbridge? [0:40:20, 0:40:22]: I am not a resident Okay, thank you, sir. [0:40:23, 0:40:43]: It is incumbent upon every single one of us. Point of order. Let's be transparent about what we're doing. Point of order. I want to be able to explain to the point of order. What this is. Point of order. This is a public hearing on behalf of tax on our on behalf about the taxes. Right. And we are supposed to talk in general. We're supposed to let the public talk. [0:40:43, 0:41:00]: right now about their opinion of a taxes. Correct. Mr. Gartner or whomever is going to do the presentation on taxes is supposed to give that presentation and then the public is to provide us whether they're for or against or ask the questions that they need answered. And then [0:41:00, 0:41:07]: Mr. Gardner or whomever is gonna come back up can re can come back up and answer those questions. This is not the time. [0:41:08, 0:41:27]: for mayor and council to try to grandstand or try to make it appear that we are not receiving the information that we received. Now listen, no, I can't speak for everyone. I can speak for me. Right. But we're not speaking for her. We're not saying I'm talking [0:41:27, 0:41:33]: It's my turn. I have the floor. When I ask for an update on financials [0:41:34, 0:41:35]: They are readily available. [0:41:35, 0:41:36]: Anyone? [0:41:37, 0:41:41]: Anyone can receive those financials at any time. [0:41:42, 0:41:45]: including our constituents [0:41:45, 0:42:05]: You can do open records requests, you can ask for that. In fact, we've began the process of buying software in regards to being able to see live transactions of spending from day to day operations. It's true, you can look it up. It's in black and white. It's also on camera, it's on the tapes. [0:42:05, 0:42:13]: It's on videos. We are not here. I don't want anyone to think that we are painting a picture of lack of transparency. [0:42:13, 0:42:15]: The city of Start Bridge. [0:42:15, 0:42:30]: has been transparent before some of the county entities, before some of the other city entities. We are on Facebook Live. We're on our web pages. You can click on a budget. You can do anything you want. There's a difference between transparency and competence. [0:42:32, 0:42:52]: I and what I'm saying here is what I'm saying that's disrespectful in regards to So since she wants to disrespect you I will respond. I'm not being disrespectful. I'm not being disrespectful. I'm letting me Yeah, you are being disrespectful. What in fact what I consider what both voters are counterpeople [0:42:52, 0:43:02]: Come on folks contract awards but not even seeing the contracts. That's what I consider incompetent. So that's what I consider incompetent. Stop stop. [0:43:02, 0:43:03]: Thank God it. [0:43:03, 0:43:23]: Well you don't sit here and allow her to try to disrespect the fact that I gotta respond. No, you talk to her. Mayor Ford. Calm down. Calm forget this. Calm down, folks. Please have respect. Calm down. Mayor Ford. [0:43:23, 0:43:43]: And and to the constituents, my apologies. I am not trying to argue. What I'm trying to make a point is to say that this is a public hearing and it's to hear from you all and to also hear from Mr. Gardner. If we go and veer off from and talk about the budget retreat and budget hearings. [0:43:43, 0:43:54]: and other things, it makes it appear as if we aren't re uh like like there's something going on wrong or that we're trying to hide something and we're not. [0:43:55, 0:44:15]: We're not. It's available, it's readily available, and you can ask any of the questions you want to ask, and that's why we have the public hearings that we have. Out of respect for my colleagues, Mrs. Barber, I'm not taking a shot at you. I what I'm telling you is that this is not the place and you tell [0:44:14, 0:44:20]: Tell me that right now out of respect the mayor and council. [0:44:20, 0:44:36]: What I'm trying to say has made her point. Come on, folks. Point of order. Point of order. Mr. Gardner, back to the podium, please. Thank you, thank you. Mr. Gardner back to the podium. Mr. Blount, what's your question? [0:44:37, 0:44:41]: Yeah, let me um just make something clear. I wanna thank uh it it blesses me. [0:44:42, 0:44:43]: When I see people here. [0:44:43, 0:44:46]: to come and know what's going on in their communities. [0:44:46, 0:44:48]: Uh one of the things I wanna talk about [0:44:49, 0:44:54]: that got us to this point and what we're doing and why we need to implement this millage rate. [0:44:54, 0:45:05]: We've had budgets retreat prior to many decisions being made. And those budget retreats doesn't dictate what action you're gonna take up here on his diets. Those are individual decisions. [0:45:06, 0:45:10]: Budgets retreat that we had prior to that got us to this point. [0:45:11, 0:45:15]: Із давом виситр ви банде тварифа мільйон долар. [0:45:16, 0:45:19]: Твенти фай мільйон долар. [0:45:19, 0:45:29]: Seven million toward the amphitheater, 14 million toward a cultural arts center that has not been built yet, and we paid$750,000 worth of interest so far. [0:45:29, 0:45:49]: $3 million toward the startup of a police department that I didn't find out about or Councilwoman Gantt until we came to a and set on the diets for a meeting. And a million dollars trails. Those that's known facts. This is not a beaten down. So known facts:$25 million. When we started a police department, police departments become your highest. [0:45:49, 0:45:53]: highest paid entity of any city. [0:45:53, 0:46:10]: I had a wage analysis done from 2019 to 2024, and it showed that our budget would double by 2024. Guess what's gonna happen next year? Our budget's gonna double. This wasn't closed information. This was information given to us before decisions was made by the cities. [0:46:11, 0:46:25]: When you had three colleagues that have been boasting about starting the police department, did they tell you that our budget was gonna double by 2024? No, they didn't. When they tell you they didn't know this and know that, they voted and we was told by our financial advisor. [0:46:26, 0:46:33]: That if we make the decisions that it was made, that our budget would double by twenty twenty four and we'd be sitting here right now and that's what we're doing. [0:46:34, 0:46:54]: So when when when when you sit here and we s we and we say we don't know, we don't know, decisions were made prior project and being made, our financial advisor told us, along with the city manager at the time, and as long and as and as well as our uh uh treasurer that our budget would double by twenty twenty-four. [0:46:54, 0:47:06]: Our fund balance was 100%. Our fund balance is down to six months right now. And we took$4.5 million last year to balance our budget the first time since I've been on this council. [0:47:06, 0:47:11]: So shame on anybody to say they don't know what's going on when you voted for it. [0:47:12, 0:47:32]: All right. Sir. But stand by please. Mr. Gardner, back to the podium, please. I will say that our financial advisor, Mr. Wall, was with us this morning here at nine o'clock. And he's at another activity right now, another city, so hopefully he'll be able to join us before we get to the public comments. And that might help some clarification on some of the things that are being said and clarifications for the public. [0:47:32, 0:47:39]: here on that aspect. All right, Ms. Alexander. I'm going to defer to Councilman Thomas. Okay, I'm sorry, Mr. Thomas. I understand. [0:47:40, 0:47:42]: Thank you, Councilman. Thank you, Mayor. [0:47:44, 0:47:49]: What what I just wanna say here and I and I heard this from the gentleman over here. [0:47:53, 0:47:54]: We are [0:47:54, 0:48:00]: put in these positions to make decisions for the city. [0:48:03, 0:48:06]: We just received an award for civility. [0:48:08, 0:48:13]: Yes. It's right. So so and and I'm saying this to say [0:48:14, 0:48:22]: We and Mayor, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you, Mayor, when we get off track, if you had to beat the gavel a million times. [0:48:24, 0:48:26]: Reel us back in. [0:48:27, 0:48:34]: We are here to do the city's business like grown folks. And we cannot. [0:48:35, 0:48:41]: Legislate properly when we have all these personal attacks. [0:48:42, 0:48:44]: And let me just say this as well. [0:48:46, 0:48:52]: All decisions that are legislated, are legislated right here. [0:48:53, 0:49:00]: Any conversations in the back room, at home, in the street, it doesn't matter. [0:49:00, 0:49:03]: All legislations are done right here. [0:49:04, 0:49:12]: And and any council person that claims that they don't know, well, evidently they was not here. But but but this is my main point. [0:49:12, 0:49:14]: We're here tonight specifically. [0:49:16, 0:49:33]: to discuss the million with our citizens. We invite citizens to come in and have grown folks conversations about how we move this city forward and make sure that we have the quality of life that we all deserve in our great city. [0:49:33, 0:49:37]: But we can't do that if we got personal. [0:49:38, 0:49:41]: fights and graf about issues. [0:49:42, 0:49:46]: If anyone belongs to an organization, there's always a vote. [0:49:47, 0:49:50]: And the vote is not always unanimous. [0:49:51, 0:49:53]: Бо вирн а то респект. [0:49:54, 0:50:05]: the decisions that are made. I'm not saying you have to agree with them, but you should respect the decisions that are made. But to get up here and to try to [0:50:06, 0:50:09]: You know, browbead and make your point. [0:50:09, 0:50:10]: It is wrong. [0:50:11, 0:50:27]: It is wrong to air out those kind of issues here. We're here specifically to talk about a millage and try to work with our citizens and try to get them to understand where we're trying to go. So Mayor, if you would please, please, sir. [0:50:29, 0:50:49]: Just keep us on track and make sure we're here to do the business specifically while we're here. But all of these other issues, it is not the place, it is not the time. All of those things have been already discussed. So we should not try to come back of a discussion that we had a year ago. [0:50:49, 0:50:53]: Decision that we made a year ago. We're here today. [0:50:53, 0:50:58]: To try to make a decision on how we go forward and please. [0:50:59, 0:51:08]: Let us try to stay focused on how we are going to move this city forward and provide the quality of life that all of you deserve. [0:51:09, 0:51:19]: Thank you, Mayor. No problem. As I said earlier, uh that the specific questions directed to the presentation itself, we need to stay on track on on on that as well. Mr. Alexander. [0:51:19, 0:51:21]: So is the chief in here? [0:51:21, 0:51:24]: Yeah, Chief Chief Tremor is here. Chief, come up front. [0:51:27, 0:51:32]: Mr Gardner, stay there, stay well. With the team, this is a team. Mr Wiggins, come up. [0:51:43, 0:51:55]: Let me just say I have full faith and confidence in everybody standing here at this podium. These people are top notch professionals. They're doing an amazing job and they deserve our respect. [0:51:56, 0:52:16]: They deserve our respect. And they should always get that. I'm sorry that you didn't get it today. Um apologize to the public for the outburst that we've had in here today. It's totally unacceptable. We don't do business like that. And we're better than that. We're gonna be better than that. We're gonna deal with these situations. Let me explain [0:52:16, 0:52:36]: One thing, you know, I will stand and I will go to my grave voting for the Stockbridge Police Department because it was the right thing to do. Because each and every last one of you see a shooting in Atlanta today, a shooting in Cobb tomorrow, or Lawrence Ferrell or Decatur. And we understand the crime was ticking up here. I want [0:52:36, 0:52:40]: to applaud the chief for cutting crime by twenty four percent. [0:52:41, 0:52:42]: Yes. [0:52:42, 0:53:02]: My behavior is not gonna change. I don't care if there's one person sitting in this room or a thunder or a hundred. I've been consistent. Some of you all didn't like some of the decisions that I made, but I'm gonna stand on those decisions because I sleep at night because I made those decisions with what I thought was the best interest of the city. [0:53:02, 0:53:22]: And we made that decision collectively. Uh the three members up here that voted for it, we went out on faith because we thought it was the right thing to do. We had genuine disagreement in uh in the vote, but the members that voted for it wholeheartedly believe it. And I believe it to this day. And every time I see a stock break, [0:53:22, 0:53:42]: Bridge police car, drive through my neighborhood. I feel reassured that things are going in the right direction. I feel reassured that we hired Chief Tramer to do the job. And just like you did this morning, we received$11 million from the American Rescue Plan. I said, look at God, because we stepped out on fear. [0:53:42, 0:53:51]: Faith and we bonded$3 million to start this police department. But then all of a sudden a windfall of$11 million showed up. [0:53:51, 0:54:11]: out of Washington. Our budget did not go down at all during that time. Matter of fact, it went up because more people were staying here. Tell us, Chief, how we invested six million dollars in public safety. No matter whatever we did, we prioritized your safety at top notch as the top position spending six million dollars. [0:54:11, 0:54:15]: to start our police department. Chief, talk about that like you did this morning. [0:54:16, 0:54:26]: I I I will but if you first would allow me to say something because you mentioned earlier about the reduction in crime. Um we did see a twenty four percent reduction in violent crime in the city last year with the Stockbridge Police Department. [0:54:27, 0:54:40]: We saw about a ten percent reduction in property crime and you mentioned that it was because of me, but I wanna take a moment here and just acknowledge the staff of people that we have here because really and truly it's the men and women that are out there on the front lines in each and every day protecting this community that [0:54:40, 0:54:46]: are responsible for those um uh reductions that we have seen. [0:54:48, 0:54:59]: And um as you had mentioned, as as it relates to the operational cost of the police department, um we were able to offset that with the over eleven million dollars, close to twelve million dollars in ARPA funds that we received. [0:55:00, 0:55:18]: um through uh federal stimulus money. So that was an expense that we did not have to incur because obviously the startup cost of the police department would have been more than the three million dollars that was uh originally bonded. So it truly was uh providential in that we had uh the ability to do that. [0:55:18, 0:55:22]: And I wanna say um a as a as a department, we [0:55:22, 0:55:41]: are fiscally conservative with what we are allowed to do. As you can see here, uh every community that is similar in nature to our size has more police officers in the community to be able to do the job that we've been able to do with the staff that we have. And because of the team members that we have here, we've been able to do considerably more [0:55:41, 0:56:01]: With less. And uh I'll say too that we've been able to offset. We've got three and a half million dollars in grant funding to pay for various different programs and equipment and things in the city. And so as it relates to that, I just want to make sure that everybody here understands that we as a police department are good financial stewards with what's being entrusted to us. And um I just wanted to make that uh known to each and every person that we have [0:56:01, 0:56:05]: have a commitment here to keep this community safe and to do that in a fiscally responsible way. [0:56:07, 0:56:08]: Thank you, Chief. Appreciate that. [0:56:09, 0:56:09]: All right. [0:56:11, 0:56:18]: about the money that we invested in the headquarters and uh some of the things that we did, like purchase all the squad cars and everything. [0:56:19, 0:56:31]: Right. We we have over seventy uh police vehicles and we were able to purchase those vehicles with funds uh through ARPA at no expense to uh the city. We have state of the art equipment that um [0:56:31, 0:56:51]: We're able to leverage to keep this community safe. Uh we have been able to purchase all the equipment to outfit our officers with those funds and with the three million dollars that was bonded for the police department. Um we were able to use that to renovate our police headquarters, uh which was much needed. And I know many of you on council had an opportunity. [0:56:51, 0:57:11]: And we have a home that our officers can be proud of, but also we have a home that the community can come to. We host a number of events there, and as a matter of fact, we will be assembling our Citizens Police Advisory Council here in short order. We'll be meeting monthly over there, and that meeting will be open to all members of the community for them to be involved. [0:57:11, 0:57:16]: involved in helping us uh co produce uh safety and enhance the quality of life in this community. [0:57:17, 0:57:35]: Uh and I'm just gonna let you go there there, Chief, and I wanna thank you again for forming a twenty first century post social justice police department that's gonna be a model for America and the lessons learned from George Floyd and others because you are setting that role model. That's what we're doing here. So thank you. Thank you, Councilman. [0:57:36, 0:57:42]: All right. Let's make this the last comment and we'll move on to a next briefing here. Miss Barber. [0:57:43, 0:57:46]: Thank you, Mayor, and I'll make it brief. Um [0:57:47, 0:57:48]: So [0:57:52, 0:57:55]: All I want is for our city to be transparent. [0:57:55, 0:57:57]: About the way we govern. [0:57:58, 0:57:59]: And the way we do business. [0:58:01, 0:58:03]: I understand my perspective. [0:58:03, 0:58:04]: Maybe a bit different. [0:58:05, 0:58:06]: Than my council mates. [0:58:07, 0:58:10]: Most of the plans that the city had [0:58:10, 0:58:12]: prior to me being sworn in. [0:58:13, 0:58:15]: were already approved by them. [0:58:16, 0:58:18]: I was sworn in in 2020. [0:58:20, 0:58:23]: Відезін то авард контракта. [0:58:23, 0:58:25]: Це конструктні афітер. [0:58:25, 0:58:27]: Where to construct it? [0:58:28, 0:58:29]: The ground breaking of it. [0:58:30, 0:58:30]: All of that. [0:58:31, 0:58:32]: Was done. [0:58:32, 0:58:33]: Prior. [0:58:33, 0:58:35]: To me being sworn in. [0:58:36, 0:58:38]: So there were decisions already made. [0:58:39, 0:58:41]: When I came on board a feasibility study. [0:58:42, 0:58:44]: For the police department had already been done. [0:58:46, 0:58:50]: Де вас а ревіз фезибільний стадія канцел? [0:58:51, 0:59:06]: So I was merely moving forward the plans that this council already had approved. It was important because in twenty eighteen our city faced a very devastating piece of legislation. [0:59:07, 0:59:10]: All of those plans that the city approved back then [0:59:11, 0:59:14]: Are what I and everybody who was out there with me. [0:59:14, 0:59:16]: was excited about. [0:59:16, 0:59:18]: We were excited about the amphitheater. [0:59:19, 0:59:21]: Excited about the culture artists center? [0:59:21, 0:59:30]: Excited about establishing our own police department. So all of those things. No, I think it is important. Mayor Ford. [0:59:30, 0:59:33]: Every time I open my mouth. [0:59:34, 0:59:36]: Someone in his council interrupts me. [0:59:37, 0:59:41]: Finish the comment. Please allow me the opportunity. Go ahead and finish your comment. I will. Thank you, sir. [0:59:42, 0:59:45]: I just wanted to explain. So when you hear the council [0:59:45, 0:59:46]: Mentioned [0:59:46, 0:59:50]: Да тердес да дискан мейд аз ал. [0:59:50, 0:59:51]: They're not including me. [0:59:52, 0:59:53]: Because those were plans that were [0:59:54, 0:59:54]: Approved. [0:59:55, 0:59:56]: Prior to me. [0:59:57, 1:00:01]: I don't believe in just talking about a vision of the city. [1:00:01, 1:00:03]: I want to move them forward. [1:00:03, 1:00:04]: That's what I did. [1:00:04, 1:00:09]: We can't keep approving developments and not think about public safety. [1:00:10, 1:00:12]: That should be priority. [1:00:12, 1:00:17]: Absolutely, I agreed to approve a three million dollar bond to start up the police department. [1:00:18, 1:00:20]: I also was the one. [1:00:20, 1:00:23]: Who even alerted Чів Tramer when we brought him on board? [1:00:23, 1:00:30]: That the city wouldn't have to use any of its funds for the start-up costs, ARPA funds covered. [1:00:31, 1:00:40]: All of the startup calls except for the salaries. I just want us to be transparent about what has happened, where we are financially. [1:00:41, 1:00:42]: So that [1:00:42, 1:00:44]: Folks can't leave this meeting. [1:00:45, 1:00:49]: Trying to create a narrative other than what has been discussed here. [1:00:50, 1:00:52]: If the public doesn't have the information [1:00:54, 1:00:55]: They can't ask. [1:00:56, 1:01:00]: questions. I mean they can ask questions, but they can't really ask [1:01:00, 1:01:03]: logical questions about the financials. [1:01:03, 1:01:04]: They don't have it. [1:01:04, 1:01:11]: In fact, we're not going into details about the infrastructure improvements that staff is planning. [1:01:11, 1:01:13]: For this tax. [1:01:13, 1:01:17]: The estimated cost for those projects, those are questions [1:01:18, 1:01:20]: that the public should know [1:01:20, 1:01:24]: They should know the answers to them. I can't even give them the answers. [1:01:24, 1:01:30]: Because I don't even know. But thank you, Mayor Ford. I won't ramble any longer. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Mr. Blount. [1:01:30, 1:01:34]: Quick please. Let me say this. And this um is it's not even gonna take me long to say it. [1:01:35, 1:01:38]: In February twenty in February eighth, twenty twenty one. [1:01:39, 1:01:41]: This is a whole year. [1:01:42, 1:01:44]: A whole year after I got reelected. [1:01:45, 1:01:45]: And now through [1:01:46, 1:01:49]: Someone said that they'll new was here a whole year. [1:01:50, 1:01:55]: February the eighth, twenty twenty one, and March eighth, twenty twenty one, we had two council meetings. [1:01:56, 1:01:58]: One in February, one in March. [1:01:58, 1:02:01]: And we was told go look at the minutes. [1:02:02, 1:02:05]: We were told by a financial двадвайзер. [1:02:07, 1:02:22]: One of the things about the amphitheater is a beautiful place. You if you haven't been there, go visit it. That amphitheater was a collaborative effort. The funding was identified and it'll be paid for by twenty uh August 1st, 2025. That would not be a burden on the taxpayers. [1:02:23, 1:02:34]: But the decisions that were made for the twenty five million dollars that was bundled up that I voted against and they're raising their they're they're saying, Hey, we voted for that decision was made in twenty twenty one. [1:02:34, 1:02:48]: And that information was given to us by a financial advisor. So we can say we were new, we can say we didn't know, but then you all can also need to say you wasn't listening to the people we hired to give us advice. [1:02:48, 1:02:50]: In twenty twenty one [1:02:50, 1:02:59]: February the eighth, March eighth, twenty twenty one. Go and look at the minutes on that. We was told the decisions that was made by this council. [1:02:59, 1:03:01]: That a tax will have to be levied. [1:03:02, 1:03:03]: And that was fully understood. [1:03:04, 1:03:24]: Thank you, John. Mr. Blount, appreciate that. Um Chief, I think you're good for right now, sir. All right. And um, Mr. Harris, our tax commissioner, could you come forward, sir, for your presentation? And then, of course, uh the council may have some specific questions in reference to uh how this is all done. Mr. Gardner, I think you see standby. And uh [1:03:24, 1:03:44]: Ladies and gentlemen, this is our tax commissioner for Henry County, Mr. Michael Harris. And once again, welcome back home, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Welcome again, Council, citizens, and staff. Um, I'm gonna obviously I've got a lot of work to still to do this evening, so I'm gonna keep my comments relatively succinct. Just kind of go through kind of some of the process and how it involves my office and our home. [1:03:44, 1:04:04]: How we interact and engage back with the city throughout this process. So there's a lot of conversation about the millage rate itself. People often ask, what does that mean? What does it represent? I think Mr. Wall spoke about this a little bit earlier today. It is quite simply a rate of taxation. The millage rate represents the amount of homeowner has to pay. [1:04:04, 1:04:16]: pay for every one thousand dollar of property assessed. Um and I always tell people the equation is really, really simple. It's simply the value of your property times your millage rate equals your taxes to be paid. Um [1:04:17, 1:04:25]: the value goes up and the millage rate begins stays the same, your values go up s um accordingly. [1:04:27, 1:04:47]: The millage rate and the setting of the millage rate is all part of the digest process. What we're charged with do to do is my office and the tax session's office is to perfect the digest. Um the digest consists of um a listing of assessments and exemptions consisting of real and personal properties, timber, mobile [1:04:47, 1:04:55]: Homes, motor vehicles, heavy duty equipment, and public utilities. I think it was last week we sent over the digest specific for the for the city. [1:04:55, 1:04:59]: Um, what those numbers came out after the assessments from the tax assessor's office was completed. [1:05:00, 1:05:02]: Um once we take that information [1:05:03, 1:05:23]: We use that to begin the digest, the perfecting the digest process. And that is a collaborative effort involving a number of entities. The tax assessors, they begin the process in essence by going through the process of assessing all these different valuations on real personal properties, timber list I just gave. From there, it turns to my office where we start working with the different [1:05:23, 1:05:30]: different entities on the setting of the millage rates because that helps to dictate what your tax bills and what the tax burns are gonna gonna be. Um [1:05:30, 1:05:33]: We work in conjunction with the Bord of Education. [1:05:33, 1:05:47]: The Board of Commissioners, they set their respective budgets and they tie their millage rates back to those respective budgets. Likewise, we work with cities. Um we've worked with the city of um McDonough's had a millage rate in place for several years now. [1:05:47, 1:05:54]: been working with them. Last year we've gone through this exact same process with City of Hampton as they adopted their first millenni [1:05:54, 1:06:00]: in well over twenty years. They went back and inst instituted a millage based on their budgetary needs. [1:06:01, 1:06:21]: Um and that's the same conversation we're having today here in Stockbridge. We've been working closely with your staff, with Mr. Gardner, Mr. Wiggins, um your financial advisors and your legal legal legal profession professionals. Um great to work with because you know our again, our responsibility is we have a fiduciary responsibility to make sure that we get our bills out on time. We are constrained. [1:06:21, 1:06:24]: Train, I think Councilwoman Barber asked a question earlier this morning about [1:06:24, 1:06:29]: Deadlines and timelines as far as um the процес itself is concerned. [1:06:29, 1:06:30]: We work kind of backwards. [1:06:31, 1:06:33]: Our bills are due on November sixth every year. [1:06:34, 1:06:36]: I'm sorry, November sixteenth. [1:06:36, 1:06:41]: And by state law we're required to have the bills in people's hands within s pri sixty days prior to that due date. [1:06:42, 1:06:55]: So we again we begin at the November sixteenth. We go back to sixty days prior to that to September sixteenth. So our goal is always to make sure we have an ample cushion. So to make sure we have bills out by no later than September first. In order to achieve that, we have to make sure all of the millage rates are set. [1:06:56, 1:07:00]: Велинцев да, со арголис то, алмилийтра сет байт-вин до Жилай. [1:07:00, 1:07:20]: That allows us time to go through once millage rates are set. We have to go through working with our printer to go through and run our run our drafts of the all the tax bills, review all of those, make sure they're perfected, make sure they're they they all work and they're accurate. From there, we go ahead and send that information to the printers. They have a couple ways to go back through and review their process. [1:07:20, 1:07:27]: And ideally the um texts are being set. We're anticipating this year August twenty second of the days where the bills are gonna be dropping. So [1:07:28, 1:07:40]: That's those are some of the steps that have to take place. This being the second public hearing is part of that process. Um so everything that you're going through is again the same steps that've gone through every other municipality has gone through. [1:07:40, 1:08:00]: I'm simply here to make sure to let you know that we're here to assist and and guide and provide information um as needed for the for the um for the city and council. And again, once the determination is made in reference to the millage, if the decision is made, um then we'll be the ones that will take over from there and start implementing um generating the tax bills and again and we have [1:08:00, 1:08:05]: Help guide people and guide citizens on the information on understanding the text bill. We have a number of [1:08:05, 1:08:07]: of um documents on our website. [1:08:08, 1:08:28]: today and we'll continue to add them as information becomes more available on exactly how to break down every year we've updated the breakdown of our tax bill. In fact at the next at the next I'm hearing I'll bring you um provide a copy to show people exactly where can they can uh locate and and identify different aspects of their tax bills they can see clearly how it's broken down, where it's broken. [1:08:28, 1:08:43]: down and and and how they're being taxed in every area. So again that's basically it. I'm happy to take any s any questions that the council may have. All right thank you Mr. Harris. Appreciate it. Council Pacific direct questions for Mr. Harris if you have any at this time. Mr uh Mr. Alzheimer's go ahead please. [1:08:43, 1:09:03]: Yes, Mr. Harris, thank you so much. And I and as I thank you this morning. Mr. Harris started this journey with us in twenty uh four fifteen, I think it was. He was a city manager of Stockbridge at that time. And uh now he's our tax commissioner doing a fine job. And uh he won't uh it shouldn't be known that Mr. Harris has no bearing demand. [1:09:03, 1:09:23]: Make the decision on what the millage is, but like the tax commissioner does not have play a role in that. He's just uh the facilitator who collects it. But you were offered some very helpful hints this morning uh for our seniors. Uh there's a couple of exemptions uh starting at age 62. [1:09:23, 1:09:43]: And then edging out to age 70, where the school board tax, which is the largest percentage at 60% of their taxes, is actually uh froze is uh exempt uh out post 70. So I think uh for my personal tax bill, my personal tax bill, last night I was at the Henry [1:09:43, 1:09:46]: County School Board uh military meeting. [1:09:46, 1:09:48]: There was exactly about [1:09:48, 1:09:56]: Four people that spoke, four. And their mileage, their birth, their increase in taxes, forty-four million dollars. [1:09:57, 1:10:17]: The city is in t it might a couple of million dollars might be what we're increasing taxes. But last night, four people were there for the school board who charges you 60% of the taxes, and they're increasing taxes by 44 million dollars in one year, and three people were there. Um the tax here for again is twenty eight hundred dollars. [1:10:16, 1:10:36]: For here. Uh, the county tax was sixteen hundred and seventy-six. I'm telling you about my own personal taxes. And if a tech, if I got a city tax, it'd probably be about two hundred dollars. That's that's what we're looking at. And my house about three six three seventy-five, four hundred thousand. But you offered some exemplar examples of what needed to be done. [1:10:36, 1:10:55]: in order to get these seniors some relief from the the sixty percent of the taxes. Talk about that process for from that for that exemption. Sure. The homestead process um it it exists. There are there are some deadlines associated with the homestead process, but you're right. I mean it can be um it can make a [1:10:56, 1:10:57]: Critical difference in [1:10:58, 1:11:18]: The amount of tax anyone's paying. So if you are the primary owner of the home, it's your primary dwelling, you are on the deed, then you have the opportunity to file for homestead here in Henry County. Your standard homestead of L1, it's a$15,000 reduction in your assessed value, which on an average$275,$300 home correlates. [1:11:18, 1:11:25]: relates to about a two hundred dollar, two hundred and a little over two hundred dollar savings, which again is still it's still a a savings. [1:11:26, 1:11:33]: Um, once you get into age sixty-two and some of your age reductions, begin at age sixty-two, you s begin to see a reduction in your [1:11:33, 1:11:39]: Um school taxes. The taxes that apply, you know, the first one is this a county exemption. [1:11:39, 1:11:43]: The taxes beginning at age sixty two apply solely to the [1:11:43, 1:11:44]: Um [1:11:44, 1:11:48]: Board of Education taxes, which again as stated it's plus sixty percent of your tax bill. [1:11:49, 1:12:05]: It begins at age sixty two, it and then steps up at age sixty five and next again at age sixty eight and then at age seventy, um residents with homestead no longer have to pay their um any school taxes. So it's again as you can see it can be a considerable um windfall. One other [1:12:06, 1:12:09]: note I wanted to make there is a [1:12:09, 1:12:10]: Спешо Вентай [1:12:11, 1:12:31]: Exemption being offered by the um the governor and the state legislature this year's past session, they authorize the homestead tax relief grant program, and that'll be applied to this year's tax bills. Um they've been making some changes over the course of the last couple weeks, but I'm trying to get the information out to people as quickly as possible. In essence, what it will be will be an additional eighteen [1:12:31, 1:12:42]: eighteen thousand dollar assessment reduction um or eighteen thousand dollar assessment we received a reduction on that additional eighteen thousand dollar assessment. We anticipate the the credit that um [1:12:43, 1:12:47]: that individual received to be somewhere between three to five hundred dollars. [1:12:48, 1:12:52]: And that'll vary depending on the pro the the fair market value of the homes. [1:12:53, 1:13:12]: But it's only for eligible um eligible residents. And to be eligible, you must have your homestead in place. Does not apply to rental properties. So again, one of those additional advantages of making sure you have your homestead in place. Another advantage of having homestead here in Henry County, which is fairly unique throughout the um within the state. [1:13:12, 1:13:13]: Is a frozen provision. [1:13:14, 1:13:16]: Вс<unk> да if you [1:13:16, 1:13:18]: What it does is it freezes your county tax. [1:13:18, 1:13:27]: At at the value in the first year that you file for your homestead. So if you bought your home in the year 2000 and it was valued at$200,000. [1:13:27, 1:13:32]: Um fast forward to the year twenty twenty three and your home is now valued at four hundred thousand dollars. [1:13:32, 1:13:35]: Because of this frozen provision [1:13:35, 1:13:37]: Your county taxes will only be [1:13:37, 1:13:41]: you'll only be taxed on that two hundred thousand dollar value. So you can see [1:13:42, 1:13:44]: how much considerable in um impact that can have. [1:13:44, 1:13:47]: on the tax bill. It does not apply to [1:13:48, 1:13:49]: Your school taxes. [1:13:49, 1:13:52]: But again, it is a considerable um decrease in your [1:13:53, 1:13:57]: County taxes, which again represent ballpark on thirty seven, thirty eight percent of your taxes. [1:13:58, 1:14:07]: So so what you're telling me is that in my case, uh uh the twenty eight hundred dollars that I'm paying when I'm turn age seventy, I won't have to pay that anymore. That goes to the school board. [1:14:08, 1:14:28]: Right. If all that is school board, you you're paying still paying something, whatever your taxes, whatever your value is. Right. My overall tax is about almost five thousand dollars, but twenty-eight, which is sixty percent of that. So the that twenty eight hundred dollars would go away when I get age seventy. That's correct. And at starting at age sixty two, it would start to go down. That's right. The school board portion. [1:14:28, 1:14:36]: Which is the largest portion of our tax. So thank you so much. Yep. Mayor for me. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. Thank you, Mayor. [1:14:37, 1:14:43]: Just for information, uh, Mr. Harris, and and I know I I just want the citizens to understand that [1:14:44, 1:14:49]: This topic and this conversation is not a new one. [1:14:49, 1:14:52]: Uh just speak to the fact I guess [1:14:52, 1:15:07]: It was somewhat during the pandemic'cause I know it was a Zoom meeting. We invited you in and you shared some of this same information. Now I know uh additional information probably have changed the narrative, but just speak to [1:15:08, 1:15:11]: Then and now, but the point I'm trying to make is that [1:15:11, 1:15:25]: This is not a new conversation. No. You know, you have been here before at a council meeting and you shared this information. So my point is we have been talking and sharing information. [1:15:26, 1:15:40]: before and I just want you to just to recognize that fact that this is not a new conversation. You know, we have been discussing this and just speak to that. Yeah, and you really have. I mean we've I've council has invited me back in in previous years. [1:15:40, 1:15:51]: Um kind of took a lag during the the pandemic years obviously, but um to go back through and share our numbers, what it is we do and what we provide, and principally to talk about things like exemptions to make sure people are [1:15:52, 1:15:55]: tapping into and and and realizing and utilizing [1:15:55, 1:15:57]: all the possible exemptions they could that they have. [1:15:57, 1:15:59]: You know, me and my office would like to go out to [1:15:59, 1:16:19]: Um visit we've we've visited um senior centers. Um we go to HOAs and speak to them whenever whenever invited them whenever we can to make sure we're letting people know about the exemptions that exist. It's it's it's um while it is a necessary function having to collect the taxes, you know, I have a personal belief that you know I don't want anyone paying more than their [1:16:19, 1:16:20]: [4581.0, 4584.5]: Іносо тан форс то микшор да ви америки. [1:16:24, 1:16:28]: That all of our residents are clearly understand exactly what exemptions exist. [1:16:28, 1:16:48]: Um and they're tapping into those. So the majority of my conversation throughout the course of the day is speaking with our seniors and and others on how to reduce their tax burden if at all possible. So that's again I guess a public service functionality of our office that we try to make sure we maintain. And again, speaking with cities and speaking with um elected officials as well, making sure that [1:16:48, 1:16:49]: [4610.0, 4613.8]: Thank you, sir. I I just want to make sure and citizens understand that [1:16:54, 1:17:14]: We have been providing this conversation because we knew we were going to be here at this point in time. And I just want sisters to understand that this is not a new conversation. We have been sharing and talking about this process. And I just wanted you to mention that. Short time. Mayor, I yield back. Thank you. [1:17:14, 1:17:16]: One additional comment if I could. [1:17:16, 1:17:36]: One standby. One standby. Mr. Blount? Yes. Okay. Mr. Calzan. Yeah, and and just to co-sign what Councilman Thomas said, certainly we had he reminded me earlier when we talked that we had town halls. Um certainly did. Uh I will reported to the fact that um I know Tom Jones from Channel Two came down [1:17:36, 1:17:56]: To talk to us about what we were gonna do. And uh he indicated his exact words were there was a possibility of a city tax and it would be minimal. So, in those words, in every single meeting that we had, everybody up here on the council, and especially Mr. Blount, had reminded the public that there was a possibility. [1:17:56, 1:18:16]: possibility that would be a millage that was be entered into the city. So in other words, there are tough decisions in what we have to do and in order to move in the direction that we do. If you're gonna vote for me against me for voting for the police department, I encourage you to go ahead and do that. Because again, I'm going to make sure that you are safe no matter [1:18:16, 1:18:18]: No matter what we do. So thank you. [1:18:19, 1:18:23]: All right, seems though that's okay, you do. Okay, go ahead, Miss Blount. [1:18:24, 1:18:44]: Um I just wanna say that um and I appreciate your presentation, Mr. Actually couple of things. On the on the uh freeze, is that something that the citizens gonna have to apply for every year or is it a one time? Great question. One time to do it. One time at the you know, if you haven't applied for your home state yet, just come in and apply to the deadline of April. [1:18:44, 1:18:57]: first to get into the next so for in order to be eligible for the twenty twenty four attack season, you have to apply by April first of twenty twenty four. So that's the cutoff date. Um but you once you apply for that you're fine. Now when you reach age sixty two [1:18:58, 1:19:15]: as of January first of that year, you do have to come back in and reapply for your age exemption one time. Once you reach age sixty two, apply for then, come back, show your ID, show your driver's license, and it's automatically and then from that, every year at sixty five and sixty eight and seventy, it'll automatically be deducted. [1:19:15, 1:19:35]: So and that's I I've never heard of that product with taxes because with the fluctuation it didn't matter because it stays on that one, and that's a really, really good product to us in. Um but one of the things uh I just wanna say to the citizens uh um is that when I speak a lot of times [1:19:35, 1:19:55]: times you you you may hear my preacher voice. So I'm uh you so it may sound a little aggrav uh uh aggravated voice but uh but I'm just speaking the truth. Uh when we when this city voted on um for the police department uh [1:19:55, 1:19:58]: It was connected to too much for me to vote for. [1:19:58, 1:20:14]: Everyone up here wants a police department. But when you connect voting for the police department three million, it was connected to seven million for the amphitheater, it was connected to fourteen million for the Cultural Arts Center and the one million for trails. [1:20:14, 1:20:21]: We're paying seven hundred fifty thousand dollars right now for a cultural arts center. Four fourteen million dollars in bonds that are just sitting there. [1:20:22, 1:20:27]: So when you had so much connected to your vote for something here. [1:20:28, 1:20:30]: We should have separated it out. [1:20:30, 1:20:38]: But when you have a consensus to put it all together and make it one vote for twenty five million dollars, I could not vote for that. [1:20:38, 1:20:52]: Do I uh do I uh um do I support the police department? She trained lets you know I call him all the time. The officers will let you know I talk to them all the time. I support a police department. I don't support the process. [1:20:53, 1:21:11]: of what we had what we did to bring on the police department. I don't support the process that I didn't feel this like Mr. Alexander uh Councilman Alexander just said. I was out there s telling you all, telling everyone I could see and me about a millage rate that we will find ourselves in this position. [1:21:12, 1:21:13]: I did that. [1:21:14, 1:21:17]: But I can't talk to everybody and say anything to everybody. [1:21:17, 1:21:19]: Only can do what I can do. [1:21:19, 1:21:27]: And so that's why we're here now today on what we was told was going to happen. This isn't new for anyone up here. [1:21:27, 1:21:29]: Because the discussions have been had. [1:21:30, 1:21:36]: All right, uh thank you, sir. I missed again. Go ahead, please. Thank you. Mayor, I just want us to um [1:21:39, 1:21:51]: I think we've heard the facts from Mr. Harris. I too at that time and I've always stated the only reason I did not vote for the police department is because I thought the process was wrong. And I've been very adamant about that. [1:21:52, 1:22:12]: Again, everything I do is in black and white and on video. It it is there. But I do support the cause and that's spill milk at this point. We have a police department and we have to support the vote. We may not agree on this council, but at the point where [1:22:12, 1:22:25]: Where it spilled milk, we now have a police department. That was done because the county wanted us to have one. That was done because some constituents wanted us to have one, and people fell into that. [1:22:25, 1:22:45]: The buy-in that we needed one. And I'm not here to say we didn't. I love our police department. I've always said I didn't agree, the process was done backwards. I'm not here to convince us of that. Tonight, we're here to talk about the millage. The reason why we are focused so on the police department, everyone, is because we are doing this tonight. [1:22:45, 1:23:05]: Tax because we have a police department. Our budget has doubled because we have a police department. That is not a negative thing. That is a choice, as Councilman Thomas would say, quality of life. That's the choice that we decided to make. The amphitheater has nothing to do with. [1:23:05, 1:23:13]: This tax that amphitheater was paid for, is being paid for by SPLOST. I want you to understand that. [1:23:13, 1:23:24]: I know what what I want w the other things that we have discussed and all the other things that are going on right now, the back and forth. [1:23:25, 1:23:31]: That's not necessary. I do want to hear from the public. This is the public hearing. I respect that. [1:23:32, 1:23:34]: Just no that we knew. [1:23:35, 1:23:46]: From our financial advisor years ago that if we were to receive a police department, if we were to go ahead and start one, we would have to have a tax and we have to have one. [1:23:46, 1:23:47]: We have to. [1:23:48, 1:23:49]: If we don't [1:23:50, 1:23:55]: We won't have the proper funding. We have to. That's real that's reality. [1:23:56, 1:24:08]: It's not something I like. It's something I fought fought for and fought against because of it. But it's here. The vote passed. It was three two. [1:24:10, 1:24:12]: You respect the boat and you move on. [1:24:15, 1:24:25]: We all have to come into support and we have to all have to come to grips to what is going on. I would prefer if you have any time, any questions, feel free to let me know. [1:24:26, 1:24:27]: I mean [1:24:27, 1:24:31]: I the information is out there. Nothing is being hidden. [1:24:33, 1:24:51]: So in regards to in regards to um the tax, our financial advisors, I listen to our professionals that we've hired. Our financial advisor has advised us at a four point two five mil tax. [1:24:53, 1:25:03]: That's what his advice is, based off of the numbers that have been crunched. He advised us that we were gonna have to have a tax and he advised us of the what our budget would look like. [1:25:03, 1:25:07]: Now in 2024, and he was absolutely correct. [1:25:08, 1:25:26]: He d we didn't bear from it's not like he came up with some numbers and they were wrong. He's been accurate every single time. So I just want us to move along with that. We do have a final hearing on a final vote on what that looks like. No one wants to pay a tax. I feel we get taxed to death. [1:25:27, 1:25:47]: I definitely don't as a small business owner, as a as a mu single mom and and everything else, don't want to see another tax. But reality is you can't have the nice roads and all the nice things you want and all the extravaGantt things of why we don't have what the north side of town [1:25:47, 1:25:53]: doesn't have if we don't have a tax. You have to make a decision. You can't have it both ways. [1:25:54, 1:26:14]: And that is my biggest concern. Um I don't want us to beat around the bush and go back and forth with who voted for what and what we did. I think we should really listen, hear, hear everyone out, and then move forward to our next hearing. And thank you, Mr. Harris, for providing us with uh uh some great detailed information. [1:26:14, 1:26:15]: Yeah. [1:26:16, 1:26:30]: All right. No, uh Yes sir. If I may. Stand by. Stand by please. Mr. Harrison, if you be patient just a little bit longer here. And we're gonna I got two other comments, uh two other individuals speak, and then we'll finalize this. All right. Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [1:26:32, 1:26:36]: I'll yield to Councilman Thomas. Mr. Thomas Guerrera, please. Thank you. Um [1:26:36, 1:26:55]: Ms. Harris, again, thank you. Uh I'm going to concur with some of some of the comments that Councilwoman Gantt made. Um many of you know that um I grew up here in the city of Stockbridge and I remember when we had a police department. [1:26:55, 1:26:57]: And we had a city tax. [1:26:58, 1:27:00]: But but the point I want to make is [1:27:02, 1:27:07]: We are charged this municipality is charged with providing [1:27:08, 1:27:15]: services to our citizens and we want to provide the best. [1:27:16, 1:27:18]: And if we're going to provide the best. [1:27:19, 1:27:31]: And to give citizens the quality of life that you all deserve, then it costs. And as councilwoman said, we we can't have it both ways. [1:27:31, 1:27:36]: You know, maybe you could go into the middle, but if you're going to demand [1:27:37, 1:27:38]: The kind of services [1:27:39, 1:27:45]: that I know that I demand and hey, none of us like taxes, but the old saying [1:27:45, 1:27:46]: Taxes and what? [1:27:47, 1:27:48]: So I'm just saying. [1:27:49, 1:27:52]: We're charged with and and you all elected us [1:27:52, 1:28:12]: Here in this position, and we have to make tough decisions. These decisions are not easy, but we have to make those decisions. But the overall arch and reach is that we have to provide you all with that quality of life, and we have to move the city of Stockbridge forward because when you become stagnant in [1:28:12, 1:28:14]: and you don't move, then you die. [1:28:15, 1:28:35]: We do not want to see this city decline in any kind of way. So when I get the calls about code enforcement and this, I welcome all of that. Cause that means what? We're pushing that ball forward. We're trying to provide the quality of life that you deserve. And I just wanna reemphasize when we had a police department [1:28:35, 1:28:38]: before it was a tax. [1:28:38, 1:28:40]: Public safety is the [1:28:41, 1:28:47]: overarching reaching expense that any municipality is going to have. [1:28:48, 1:29:08]: So public safety, this is a quality of life that we're trying to provide. So in in that mayor, and I know we have another comment, but I just want to move that we go into the public hearing because you all are here to speak. We want to hear from you, and I think the sooner we can get to that point, I second. [1:29:08, 1:29:28]: Appreciate uh appreciate uh appreciate that, Mr Thomas. And back what was mentioned earlier this morning, I think back in the nineteen seventies when we had a previous police department for us disbanded, I think the ta mill tax was about about eight eight eight plus something, eight plus see and right now obviously uh we're not even near that. We're almost half that we're looking at. So anyway, on that note. [1:29:28, 1:29:30]: Last comment, then we'll go to public here. Miss Barber. [1:29:33, 1:29:37]: That was actually my thoughts when I came on council. Um [1:29:37, 1:29:42]: I support all of the capital improvement projects that the Council had approved. [1:29:43, 1:29:45]: The amphitheater, the culture art center. [1:29:45, 1:29:46]: The police department. [1:29:47, 1:29:50]: All of that I support it, but I know it doesn't come without a cost. [1:29:51, 1:29:52]: I know that. [1:29:52, 1:29:53]: Um [1:29:53, 1:29:56]: with all of the new developments that are [1:29:56, 1:29:58]: coming online with the city. [1:29:58, 1:30:00]: We have to plan for the growth. [1:30:00, 1:30:01]: Is the planning? [1:30:02, 1:30:03]: The стратегіч plans. [1:30:04, 1:30:20]: Those are the things that I'm looking for in order to help me make a decision on um imposing what level of the tax to impose. That's the questions that I've been asking. But I am certainly um looking forward to the comments from the public. Thank you, Mayor. [1:30:20, 1:30:34]: You're welcome. All right, on that note, Mr. Harris, I think you you're dismissed for now, sir. Appreciate appreciate you being here. And uh on that note, ladies and gentlemen, we'll start the public hearing. Now, uh what we'll do is that um I'm gonna start on my left side. My left side [1:30:34, 1:30:35]: Left side over here. [1:30:36, 1:30:52]: And p any comments, positive comments, comments for uh of the middleest rate or c positive comments, period, on my left side. Anybody that's on the left side, I want you to stand up on the corner on on lineup on on my left side and then we'll we'll go down and we'll give everybody a proper amount of time to speak. All right. Anybody in the middle? [1:30:54, 1:31:03]: Positive I'm talking about positive positive comments in reference to uh the the millage itself, pa uh and potential tax increase. Positive comments. [1:31:03, 1:31:04]: Yeah. [1:31:04, 1:31:17]: In favor, in favor, in in favor, in favor positive or in favor. That's right. In favor. Thank you, Madam Clerk. In favor. In favor comments. If you're in the middle, I'll let you line up okay. On on the far right my far right side, in favor. [1:31:17, 1:31:20]: in favor of of a of the milish rate in favor. [1:31:22, 1:31:42]: Uh okay, well in in in f comments in favor. All right. Now on that note, uh it seemed like you're the only one thus far in favor. So come to Mike and when you come to Mike, I need your name and address. And and you need to address me as a presiding officer. And don't need to address anybody else in the council. Address me as a presiding officer, and we'll go down that road. Speak directly into the mic so everybody can hear and we'll take [1:31:42, 1:31:47]: Obviously this is being taped'cause we wanna make sure we get the everything proper and what the things that you have to say. All right. [1:31:48, 1:31:50]: Okay, I'm Kim Harville. [1:31:51, 1:31:51]: Mm-hmm. [1:31:51, 1:31:56]: Go ahead, please. Fifty three Summerlee Drive. Okay. Stockbridge. All right. [1:31:56, 1:32:11]: I like the wonderful things that have happened in our city, the growth and everything that's that's going on. I understand that we need to have a millager, but hitting us with a six or even a four is a very big jump. [1:32:12, 1:32:20]: The number three plan that was what three four uh three points or three seven seven is still a bit of a stretch. [1:32:20, 1:32:27]: And it's hard. I just retired last year. So this is my first year 100% retired. And it's gonna kick my tail. [1:32:27, 1:32:32]: Um looking forward and I'm going, Mm-hmm, three months of uh oh. [1:32:33, 1:32:35]: I love the police force. [1:32:36, 1:32:38]: I have always been about police. [1:32:38, 1:32:39]: Um [1:32:40, 1:32:42]: I like it done right. I like what you guys have done. [1:32:43, 1:32:44]: Not so much the chatter tonight, but [1:32:45, 1:32:45]: Um [1:32:47, 1:32:50]: You guys are moving us forward in a good way and I appreciate that. [1:32:51, 1:32:57]: Um take in mind that there's a lot of new bodies coming into the county next year. [1:32:58, 1:33:02]: That it doesn't all have to come out of our hides at a one time. [1:33:03, 1:33:10]: And you know, be kind because it can increase a little bit as you go, but you've got more bodies coming in. [1:33:11, 1:33:16]: And that's gonna be happening real soon with all the growth that I've seen and is in process right now. [1:33:16, 1:33:19]: And I'd rather it not all happen at once. [1:33:19, 1:33:39]: That's all I have to say. Thank you very much. The six meals has been advertised. It was really at the top, very top level, uh very top level in this aspect as well. Now the the final decision, uh I doubt very seriously it'd be six, but the it's it's it's it's at top. Now the final decision will be made after the public hearing on our next public hearing, which is uh july twenty seventh uh [1:33:39, 1:33:59]: And that'd be in the morning at nine o'clock. Now obviously since there's only seems to be only one comment in favor, that means the majority of obviously is is uh is against per se. So the same thing that would be and we'll end up lining up and probably have to circle around the room. But if you're on the very my very uh left side, if you had any uh disapproval, just any other comments [1:33:59, 1:34:19]: About uh not having a millage rate. I need for you to line up on this side. If you're in the but in this section, very far my far on my far left side, in this section, just line up, okay? If you're in the middle, do the same thing. If you have any comments against this, just line up on my left side, all right? And same thing with folks on the right. If you have any uh negative comments or disapproval. [1:34:19, 1:34:39]: of this line up over here on my left side. Now, granted, typically when we have this, uh, we allow uh 10 minutes for and 10 minutes against. All right, but here but I'm imagining there'll be several of you. So what what we'll do if you council, if you don't mind, how about we give everybody three minutes? All right, if that'll work with you all. If you accept three minutes uh for everyone to [1:34:39, 1:34:43]: The the state their comments and then we'll uh move that way. Is that acceptable for the council? [1:34:43, 1:34:45]: Is that acceptable, Council? [1:34:47, 1:34:50]: Yeah I know I know you got I know you got changed. I just want to make sure the council's good with that. [1:34:51, 1:34:51]: You get everybody [1:34:52, 1:34:54]: Mayor for the correction. Three minutes per person. [1:34:55, 1:34:56]: Three minutes per person. [1:34:56, 1:34:57]: Okay. [1:34:58, 1:35:18]: I'm sorry? Oh okay. Three hard minutes. All right. You good with that, sir? Well I I I wanted just clarification. Is it three minutes per person or is it the total No three minutes per person. Three minutes. No, three minutes per person. We'll take away the ten minutes altogether. Okay, uh you're asking. Yeah, I'm asking you. Oh, okay. I support that, Mayor Ferrari. [1:35:18, 1:35:18]: All right. [1:35:19, 1:35:21]: You good you good, Ms. Miller? [1:35:21, 1:35:37]: Okay. So yes, m Ms. Holiday gotta change it. Change that to three. All right. So when we get it all set, folks, yeah. Name and address, speak into the mic, dress me as a press idea and officer, you get three minutes. All right, and then I'm going to the next individual as well. All right. [1:35:39, 1:35:40]: I'm sorry? [1:35:42, 1:36:02]: Yeah, well, that's a good point. Yeah, you once again you address me. No need to address the crowd, no need to the holler and scream and clap and all this kind of creat. Just just make your comments known. Well, we got the audio video going, so address me on that process and the clerk will be able to track this and once again it's all recorded. All right. Um she's got to make adjustments on'cause typically [1:36:02, 1:36:07]: what happens once again it's set it was ten minutes for and ten minutes against. Um [1:36:07, 1:36:17]: uh in this aspect. And sir, if you don't mind, I want to start from this end, could if you're gonna if could you could you line up on this side? Everybody line up on this side, please. Line up and l get a line on this side, please. [1:36:17, 1:36:19]: Can I switch this? [1:36:42, 1:36:43]: Listen up, folks. [1:36:48, 1:36:50]: If you didn't sign up earlier, once you [1:36:50, 1:37:03]: Yeah, if you if you didn't fill out, once you once you have to speak, go to see the clerk so she'll write it down. So keep track of this, all right? Okay. Are we set, Ms. uh Madam Clerk? We're ready. We're ready. Okay. First individual, please. Name and address. [1:37:05, 1:37:25]: Yep. Oh, you're here together all three of you together? Okay, fine. If you want to do it that way, all three of you need to give your name and address then. But you also w once again, now it's three minutes per person. Now if you're all together, it's three minutes for each all of you together. Now it seems like you're all right. I can't claim their time. I'm sorry? I'm claiming their time. No no no no no no. Why can't I claim all time? [1:37:25, 1:37:43]: It's three minutes per person. All right. So if you get three minutes, they get three minutes. That's the total nine minutes. Each of you get three minutes. But if you're all together, then they you don't they listen, you don't get nine minutes. You get three minutes as an individual. All right. Matter of fact, why don't you go? Late ladies, why don't you go back over here? You get to three minutes later. You get you'll get three minutes. You'll get three minutes to talk. [1:37:43, 1:37:47]: But we've already told her what to say. [1:37:49, 1:38:05]: She's basically this is our first amendment right and we're claiming our time. We're claiming our time. You can cut me off, but we're claiming our stop, stop, stop. What were you telling me, sir? [1:38:06, 1:38:07]: Right. [1:38:10, 1:38:30]: We have three people. No. That's nine minutes. I I listen, I told you, I told you everybody gets three minutes. We adjusted the clock. If you want three minutes, ma'am, you have three minutes. That's it. She wants three minutes, she gets three minutes. That's it. This lady gets three minutes as well. You got three minutes. You're not getting nine minutes, you're getting three minutes. [1:38:30, 1:38:48]: You don't want me to have nine minutes. I got it. Three minutes is what you can do. Can we get on with this? Okay. Stand by. Name and address. Name and address. Go ahead and start the clock, please. Your comments. My name is Mary Indie Calhoun and I live at six oh eight Creekstone Court in Jonesboro. [1:38:49, 1:38:58]: I am here alone with all these concerned citizens in this building, and we are very unhappy with the leadership of each of you all. [1:38:59, 1:39:08]: You have someone on this board that the taxes have been paid for three million dollars for that person to settle. We're having to pay that with our taxes. [1:39:08, 1:39:20]: Having said that, these taxes that you all are proposing are based on bad decisions that this council made by building an amphitheater and reenacting a police department of which neither [1:39:20, 1:39:22]: Had documented feasibility studies. [1:39:23, 1:39:35]: or the votes of the citizen living in Stockbridge, but both were voted on by council, most likely based on power and greed, and not for the betterment of Stockbridge. [1:39:36, 1:39:49]: And please don't come out, don't come back with with it that neither was not voted on by you all because it was. The newly annexed area of Stockbridge, which I'm in, we relied to. [1:39:49, 1:39:54]: by members of this council that said that we would not have any new taxes. [1:39:54, 1:40:14]: Now, I'm sure all of you all know about RICO statutes. And all of you all are violating the state RICO and the federal RICO. And I guarantee you, I'm gonna send you a certified letter, and I'm gonna send this letter to the RICO statute people because I need for them to investigate everything. [1:40:14, 1:40:34]: That you all have done because you all have lied to us. Now you're gonna put on a show and say that this is why you're brazen our millage. I got news for you. The county handles half of the police report. The police report for this for Stockbridge is still being handled by the county. [1:40:34, 1:40:54]: So when he praises this Stockbridge police department, it's a lie. You all cannot handle what's going on with that police department because they're not qualified yet. I'm not saying they're not qualified police officers. I'm saying we were better off when we just had the county police paying a county. [1:40:54, 1:40:57]: Money tax and having to pay more. [1:40:58, 1:41:00]: Because you guys screwed up. [1:41:00, 1:41:20]: It's not gonna be on us. I will fight this all the way to the Supreme Court if I have to. But we're not paying these taxes. You can vote it in, but I guarantee you, you're gonna have to prove to me that my house is worth$300,000,$400,000. You're gonna come out there and you're gonna see that it needs a fence, it need a it needs a whole bunch of stuff. You're not gonna [1:41:20, 1:41:21]: take zilo [1:41:22, 1:41:34]: and tell me that my house is worth what Zillows say it's appraised at. You're gonna come out there and you're gonna appraise it for what it's really worth. And you're not gonna take me through the ringers. I'm sixty two years old. [1:41:34, 1:41:35]: I'm retired. [1:41:35, 1:41:37]: And I be damn. [1:41:37, 1:41:57]: If I let the city, the county, or the state take away what I work hard for all my life. Thank you very much. Three minutes. Yes, thank you very much. Ma'am, you got three minutes here. Yes. Go ahead. Start the clock. Name and address. Name and address. Cynthia Strong. Go ahead. 317 Eagle Way, Stockbridge, Georgia. And my [1:41:57, 1:42:17]: Mother, Evelyn Strong, 504 Creekview overlooks Stockbridge, Georgia. My mother's retired. So you all are wanting to raise this millet rate to six, six percent, whatever that number is at the highest. My mother's retired. How is not just speaking of her being retired to be able to afford [1:42:17, 1:42:28]: Increased taxes. You looking at wages now, people don't make that kind of money to afford the increased taxes, which can put them out of their homes. [1:42:29, 1:42:35]: They can't afford the mortgage and can't not afford rent, being at 2000 minimum. [1:42:36, 1:42:42]: So it pushes us us homeowners out of our homes because we can't afford the taxes. [1:42:46, 1:42:58]: In the beginning, you were standing up here saying doing a prayer and then doing the pledge of legions, talking about it liberty for all. It's not liberty for us. It's liberty for you. [1:42:59, 1:43:00]: All right. [1:43:01, 1:43:08]: Um ma ma'am, did you did you want to speak as well? Yeah. My name is Evelyn Strong and 504 Creek View. [1:43:08, 1:43:13]: Uh Creek View overlooked the Stockbridge, Georgia. Like she said, I'm retired. [1:43:14, 1:43:21]: And I'm on a fixed income, it's impossible for me to pay the high taxes on the property. [1:43:22, 1:43:25]: All right. Thank you. All right, thank you. Appreciate it. [1:43:28, 1:43:30]: Okay, stand by a second. You're [1:43:45, 1:43:47]: Is it set? [1:44:02, 1:44:05]: All right. Okay. Name and name an address, please. [1:44:05, 1:44:13]: Armenta Jones, six twelve Tahoe Trail, Stockwritch, Georgia, another retired. [1:44:13, 1:44:16]: Too old to go back to work, and I [1:44:16, 1:44:30]: I'm opposed to the millage rate because it puts a hardship on me. My husband is deceased and I'm by myself. Um the other thing I have a question about the millage rate. [1:44:30, 1:44:33]: Um is that going to be [1:44:33, 1:44:37]: another tax bill or will that [1:44:37, 1:44:53]: come under the Henry County taxes? Are we gonna get another separate bill? That's what I'm asking. Or will it be incorporated with the Henry County taxes? Um the other thing I wanted to say [1:44:54, 1:44:55]: Um [1:44:55, 1:45:03]: Does it have anything to do with the water bill? Because you just gave us a twenty dollar. I was here a few months ago. [1:45:03, 1:45:11]: And you just increased our water bill by twenty dollars. Does that have anything to do with our water bill? [1:45:11, 1:45:12]: And um [1:45:13, 1:45:15]: The electricity now [1:45:16, 1:45:20]: Uh, where I live right here off of one thirty eight is constantly going out. [1:45:21, 1:45:22]: Um [1:45:22, 1:45:30]: Are you doing anything about the infrastructure, you're doing all this stuff, and now all these new buildings, these new houses. [1:45:30, 1:45:50]: And every time I turn around, the electric's going off, yet Georgia Power is still charging us an increase along. Um, the another thing with the roads, the guy's leaking tire all on the city streets, even though he's paving it, you go up the street and it's all messed up. [1:45:50, 1:45:52]: Meditation department in my neighborhood. [1:45:53, 1:46:04]: which I spoke to Miss Gann about, uh is is leaking their s whatever they g out of their trucks every week. I go out there and put kitty litter. [1:46:04, 1:46:09]: Our streets used to be nice and now the sanitation department is messing them up. [1:46:10, 1:46:12]: That's another complaint I had. [1:46:12, 1:46:16]: Oh tasty Tuesday. Why do you close the park? [1:46:17, 1:46:19]: On that side during the day. [1:46:20, 1:46:23]: When kids want to go into the park to play. [1:46:23, 1:46:37]: You can't go in on that entrance. Um, Tasty Tuesday doesn't start until the afternoon, I believe. So those were some of my concerns. Thank you very much. Thank you. No problem. Mr. Gardner, come to the podium, please. [1:46:42, 1:47:02]: You heard a couple of concerns and wanna be able to make sure to see if you answer those those concerns before you move on to the next individual. And uh in reference to the the the tax bill, obviously, and I know the tax commission is here as well. Um, um it's my simple assumption that everything comes in one bill. You see without a doubt. It is my understanding. [1:47:02, 1:47:08]: So yes, um Miss Jones, uh all I think you get one unified tax bill, it isn't separate. [1:47:08, 1:47:09]: I'm sorry. Yes, ma'am. [1:47:11, 1:47:22]: I'm correct, correct. Yeah, it's a good thing. Yeah, it's it's one unified bill, yes, and it's just your s the county, city, and then the school board and the United States and all of that, yes ma'am. [1:47:23, 1:47:43]: Then she mentioned about the the w uh water, I believe it is, and that aspect. So that if if you're on city water, that would be a separate bill, is my assumption. I'm I know I'm not on I'm on count I'm a person on county water. So city bill is separate and yes. Um part of the city is on on Henry County water um authority. So if you live outside of No, I'm in the city. [1:47:43, 1:47:45]: The core even within the city limits. [1:47:46, 1:47:48]: Some of us are served by Henry County Water Authority. [1:47:48, 1:47:53]: depending on where you live. If you live in the core of Stockbridge, you're pretty much on Starkbridge water. [1:47:54, 1:47:58]: But if you're like on um East Lake Parkway, Brentwo uh [1:47:58, 1:48:02]: Walt Stevens, those areas around there, they're all on water. [1:48:03, 1:48:11]: No, ma'am, that's not. That's a separate yes, ma'am. That's a separate, separate bill. Obviously we don't have a electric utility that is Georgia Powell. [1:48:11, 1:48:23]: Um, even though when we've had some outages we've tried to call and work help citizens work with a p a point of contact to make sure that they get back on. So that's not um that's not under our purview. Um [1:48:24, 1:48:24]: Yeah. [1:48:25, 1:48:45]: Just time come ma'am, ma'am, let let him answer the ladies' questions here. Yes, ma'am. And um as it relates to uh the leakage and and the truck, that's something that obviously we gotta have a conversation with um GFL to make sure that they make their trucks are in in good order. I didn't know that we were closing the park during Thirsty Tuesdays. That was the first for me, but I'll look into that. [1:48:45, 1:49:05]: As well, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. You ma'am for clarification. Yes, sir. Uh Mr. Garner. Mr. Garner. Would you speak to the the water? It went from 17 to 20, not an additional. No twenty went. That's correct. Could you clarify that? Yes. And so every so often Henry County Water Authority goes up on our residents that are on their assistant. [1:49:05, 1:49:13]: system and we we we balance that with everybody so that everyone's paying equally in terms of the water um with the water system. [1:49:13, 1:49:16]: And that helps obviously pay for the upgrade of the water system as well. [1:49:17, 1:49:20]: You are next next lady, please. [1:49:21, 1:49:39]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. Yes, ma'am. Can I ask that the tax commissioner address the um homestead exemption for the property? Okay, sir. Come on, Mr. Harrison. You can re-emphasize it again, please. For those who are retired. Well let him go ahead. Homestead exemption. [1:49:40, 1:49:47]: [6589.0, 6591.2]: Someone asked a question. Um [1:49:51, 1:49:56]: about um homestead exemption. I know you mentioned this morning [1:49:56, 1:50:00]: That all property values will be based upon. [1:50:00, 1:50:20]: um the year that they file for homestead exemption. Can you speak on that a little further? And it should be clarified that that only applies to the county portion of the tax bill. So again, as Mr. Gardner has delineated earlier, tax bill consists of a number of different pieces. The m the the largest is the Board of Education represents about sixty percent. [1:50:20, 1:50:35]: That 37% of the county tax is that's the portion that could be frozen. So again, if you if you purchased your home in the year 2000 and you filed for your homestead in that year and it was valued at 200,000. [1:50:35, 1:50:41]: and that value has now gone to three hundred thousand, you will still only be getting taxed at that two hundred thousand dollar value. [1:50:42, 1:50:43]: And again for some of our seniors. [1:50:44, 1:51:04]: Um that have homestead in place already. They also start being a begin seeing a reduction in their school tax beginning at age 62 when they are 62 as of January 1st of that tax year. Um and for that for that exemption, they need to come back in, and that's a separate application to come back and apply to begin the age. [1:51:04, 1:51:24]: Age exemption. Once they apply at age sixty-two, it'll automatically um increase at age sixty-five, at sixty eight, and at age seventy, they'll no longer have to pay any school taxes. But you have to make sure to have that um that initial homestead in place. All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. On that note, we'll move on. Ma'am, could you come to the podium and you know [1:51:23, 1:51:25]: Name and address, please. [1:51:26, 1:51:28]: Madam Clerk, are you good? Yes. Thank you. [1:51:29, 1:51:49]: Uh good evening. Thank you uh so much, Mayor and Council, for letting me speak. My name is Jocelyn Williams. My address is one nine zero Bank Strive. I too am a retired teacher. I uh thank all of you for your information. I just need some assistance. I'm confused about I've been mostly in the county. I didn't vote to be in [1:51:49, 1:52:09]: Stockbridge, but uh as one of the council members said, we have to um respect the council if that's what they voted for. My question is: I've seen the tax bill, so I went from eleven hundred now I'm at eighteen hundred. Um that that's what I owe the county. My question is when the tax bill comes in, is it eighteen hundred? [1:52:09, 1:52:28]: plus sanitation 300 that will be 2100 plus my millage for stockbridge so I just need clarification I'm trying before I think it's November first to make sure my taxes are paid even though my insurance company [1:52:28, 1:52:32]: will pay it for me, I eventually will have to pay it on my own. [1:52:32, 1:52:33]: Um [1:52:33, 1:52:34]: Um [1:52:34, 1:52:54]: Another question I have is for the infrastructure that we are trying to build. I live on Flippin Road, been here since nineteen ninety two, and the road has not been repaved. Uh if it is, I'll try to see when it was and it has not been widened. It's on slate, but there's no splash money for it. Um they did [1:52:54, 1:53:14]: Did it for Walt Stevens, and then they went over and did it for Jodico, and then they went over and did some beautifications. But I've been asking for about 13 years for some type of trees to be cut back, uh, grass and the right-of-way cut, just so flippin' road, which is one of the major arteries. [1:53:14, 1:53:34]: Here in Henry County where a lot of traffic goes through. Just some consideration for us as you vote. Uh excellent that it's at four, hoping it doesn't go to six, just for uh me being a senior citizen and want to follow everything that um Stockbridge requires me. I'm excited about being annexed in. And thank you. [1:53:35, 1:53:39]: Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate it. Mr. Gardner, back to the podium, please. [1:53:43, 1:53:45]: You were taking note of some of the questions he had that you can answer those, sir? [1:53:46, 1:53:47]: Yes, sir, I'm trying to get'em off. [1:53:47, 1:53:51]: All right. Um so m Miss Weeks? [1:53:51, 1:54:11]: Yeah, she's she's over here. She's quite quite just speak to speak to me, she'll hear you. So I know she had a question um regarding Flippin' Road and the widening uh repaving of Flipping Road. I know Flippin' Road portions came into the city as part of the annexation, but uh if I'm not mistaken, that was already a county project, slated as a county project, and I think it's partially [1:54:11, 1:54:31]: funded between the county splots as well as um Georgia Department of Transportation funds to improve flipping road. What we could do is I can try to get, once I get your address, I'll be able to try to send you information as to the timing as to when the county will get started on that project. The biggest portion of that is gonna be going under 75. [1:54:31, 1:54:42]: That's gonna be a huge, huge issue um as it relates to to widening that road because as you know, it only right now accommodates two lane two lanes of traffic. Um but that's something I'll get that information for you from the county. [1:54:44, 1:55:04]: And then one other question I think dealt with the sanitation and the in the the uh the I you talked one we sanitation went from seventeen to twenty. Right. So I I think the the I guess a little concerned in reference to and how the bill would look on the sanitation is my understanding. I think that's what the question was dealt with. Was it the unified bill? She was asking you asking about the unified the unified bill. Right, right. [1:55:04, 1:55:24]: So sanit sanitation sanitation in the city of Stockbridge does come on your tax bill versus you paying it every month. And that was done back in two thousand and six or seven, somewhere around there. I was a city resident at the time. And the reasoning for that was there were there was an issue where [1:55:24, 1:55:44]: Someone had not paid their sanitation bill and an altercation occurred, and I think that person got arrested, and the city at that point decided rather than having folks come into city hall, just put it on the tax bill, and it's been on the tax bill ever since. So you it's just one bit one bill that covers you for the entire year. Okay. Yes, ma'am. All right. Thank you, sir. [1:55:44, 1:55:48]: Next individual, please, sir. Name and address. Madam Clerk's ready? Okay. [1:55:50, 1:56:10]: Nikki Ford, 205 Reeves Creek Way. Um we were still calling it Lakes Spivy or Jonesboro. Is that still correct? Well it's still still still the Lakes Spive and Jonesboro area, but you're inside the city limits in this case. But go ahead, sir. Okay, I'm the uh president of the HO. [1:56:10, 1:56:14]: at Spivy Dand and also the president of Lake Spivey Community Inc. [1:56:15, 1:56:16]: And [1:56:17, 1:56:29]: What I know is everybody was dazzled by the free trash and I don't think anybody knew you guys might have known since twenty twenty one, but nobody there knew anything about the millage rate going up or the taxes getting [1:56:30, 1:56:33]: Jacked up as high as they're intending to be. [1:56:33, 1:56:53]: So that's my biggest grievance about it because I know most C people didn't know and you probably wouldn't have got as many votes for that annexation. So so that that's my biggest complaint right there. I thank you, sir. Yeah. Appreciate it. Thank you. Sir, next gentleman, name and address. Madam Clerk. [1:56:57, 1:57:08]: Maestro Evans, thirty-three, twenty-two, Clemens Road. And so as someone who's newly annexed into the city, I stood here in January and we asked about new taxes. [1:57:09, 1:57:29]: There was said there would be no new taxes. A point was made to show us that the city was operating on a surplus. So trying to figure out what happened to that surplus in these the seven-month time frame. The budget that is posted on the city's website shows proposed budgets and actual budgets for 2020. [1:57:29, 1:57:49]: And 21. Shows no shows a proposed budget for 22, but no actuals for 22, and we only see a proposed budget for 23. That is what is online. That's all we can see. So it's hard to see what happened to this surplus in seven months when we can have seen. [1:57:48, 1:58:08]: That it was that. So for those of us who were annexed into the city, we were not paying this 1.9 millage rate for the city of Stockbridge and our Henry County bills. So therefore, what you are proposing as four-point or either at six-point is additional to us. Also, I saw in the proposal of [1:58:08, 1:58:28]: About the proposed public works and some of that money going to the Water Authority. So for those of us who are now in the city and we don't receive our water from the city, we don't receive our water from Henry County. We receive our water from Clayton County. So therefore, that millage rate that's going toward the Water Authority, how does that [1:58:28, 1:58:48]: Impact us and what are we paying for if our water is coming from Clayton County? We were already privately paying for GFL transportation. So therefore we s receive no benefit. And now since it's been part of the city, in the section that we live in Stockbridge, whenever there's a holiday, we have no trash pick. [1:58:48, 1:59:08]: Up. This past 4th of July, our trash is normally picked up on Thursday. 4th of July was on Tuesday. We called and we called. We did not get our trash picked up until the very next week. But yet nobody in public works could assist us after we call, called our councilperson. Still we're going to be able to do that. [1:59:08, 1:59:19]: No response back. Now, this millage rate we're hearing tonight, this decision was made a year ago. But yet when we were asking in January, no new taxes, surplus. [1:59:21, 1:59:25]: Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Once again, Mr B uh Mr Gardner. [1:59:28, 1:59:29]: Mr. Gardner? [1:59:40, 1:59:41]: Yes, sir. [1:59:42, 1:59:44]: Um Mr. Evans. [1:59:44, 1:59:48]: Uh make sure I get this correct. Um [1:59:48, 1:59:55]: Yes. So if you if you [1:59:55, 2:00:03]: There are three three major water supplies for City of Stockbridge, um, incorporated and city of Stockbridge unincorporated. [2:00:03, 2:00:10]: You can either be depending on how east you are in the count in the in the city, you're either on Clayton County water or you're on Henry County water. [2:00:11, 2:00:21]: Um and then obviously if you're in the quarter city, you're on City of Stockbridge water. And so yes, infrastructure as you know it, um as the water services, yes, we don't [2:00:22, 2:00:42]: We we don't provide you with the water service, but we do work on those water lines depending on where they are in the city in the in the count in the city. Also, as it relates to our stormwater, um, those issues that are that come from our stormwater issues, they also arise, regardless of you in the city, we we cover those as well. Um [2:00:42, 2:01:02]: As for GFL, my understanding of it is if you were an unincorporated county under GFL, you are actually paying more for your GFL service than you are for your city GSL service, which also includes, if I'm not mistaken, recycling and bulk pickup, which you had to pay additional for if you were unincorporated. Yes, sir. [2:01:02, 2:01:02]: Yeah. [2:01:02, 2:01:15]: Sir, sir, sir sir. No. Let him finish let him finish. You had an opportunity to speak earlier. Okay, he's addressing it already over there. Okay. [2:01:16, 2:01:36]: Alrighty. Um those are the one I get. I think uh Mr. Evans stated that that he was not paying the one point nine oh four mills. Was not? Correct me. He was asking about the the the two point oh for the water authority. Oh, okay. All right. He's in Clayton, he said he was getting clay. [2:01:35, 2:01:46]: No you mentioned about the one point you about police service technology. [2:01:46, 2:01:49]: The statement was made that [2:01:49, 2:01:54]: People in the city of Stockbridge had been paying one point nine millage rate for decades. [2:01:55, 2:02:12]: I wasn't in the city of Stockbridge until January. So I couldn't have been paying one point nine four millage rate if I wasn't in the city until January. So now the additional proposed of any additional proposed is an additional tax rate. But you were Henry you had Henry County police, sir? [2:02:12, 2:02:32]: Mm. Did you have Henry County police? Yes, I did. That means you were still playing Henry you were playing you were playing police uh you were playing the Henry County tax. You're playing him you were playing police for the Henry County tax. It should be the same. It's the same. It is. Henry County police were the same is is same as ours. Okay, yeah, go explain. Yes, sir. So [2:02:32, 2:02:52]: Yes, okay. So um if you live if you live in the city of Stockbridge or you are an unincorporated um Henry County, we all pay the 1.904 for police. There's and the police district, there's also what you pay for fire under the fire district. [2:02:52, 2:03:12]: district. Um and then there's an additional that you pay which is a.314 mills, which is for code enforcement to the county. So if you check your county bill, you should see those enumerated on your county bill. If you go on, you can go online and look at it and they'll show you the illustration of it. But all residents pay within the fire district and the police district [2:03:12, 2:03:12]: District. [2:03:13, 2:03:16]: Um when you come into when you came into the city. [2:03:16, 2:03:20]: That if the city doesn't impose a a millage rate at all. [2:03:20, 2:03:22]: That point nine four, if you [2:03:23, 2:03:25]: If you're in the city would go away. [2:03:26, 2:03:26]: That [2:03:27, 2:03:47]: point two, which is the point nine oh four plus the point three four one would go away. The problem is then obviously you won't be paying for police won't be providing service. Um but everybody has been paying that amount and has been paying that amount as last as far as I know from the last service delivery agreement, which was twenty twenty. [2:03:47, 2:03:49]: And I know for a fact that it was there in twenty twenty. [2:03:50, 2:03:58]: in twenty ten, um, when I was the city administrator at McDonough, we paid that. Um, you paid that. And as for the two two meals up to the water authority, [2:03:59, 2:04:10]: Unfortunate, um that bill was saddled on every resident in Henry County, regardless if you lived in the city and was served by City Water. We paid that to the water authority. [2:04:11, 2:04:15]: Why to I'm one of the folks that opposed it when I learned about it? [2:04:16, 2:04:18]: And it's a city administrator in McDonough, including the mayor then. [2:04:19, 2:04:39]: Um eventually I think the county is the water authorities decide to go to push that away. So in 2025, the two meals that you pay to Henry County Water Authority, that'll go away in 2025. But it's been on it's been on your tax bill. If you've been a resident here for the last 35 years, they've been charging that two meals regardless of where you live in the city. [2:04:39, 2:04:53]: If you want city water or you want their water, they were charging it um by statute. They were charging that to every city. Um we also paid a hospital mill here years ago, but that went away when the hospital was sold to Piedmont, that hospital rate went away as well. [2:04:55, 2:04:59]: I believe this covers it. Next next lady please. Name and address, Madam Clerk. [2:05:00, 2:05:00]: Okay. [2:05:01, 2:05:21]: Mindy Mayers 1008 Peaks Point McDonough Georgia 30253. Um so I have a question and a comment. My question is I keep hearing that you were already paying this to Henry County. And so my question is, are we going to no longer be paying that to Henry County? And are we going to get a [2:05:21, 2:05:41]: A deduction on our Henry County bill for that one point nine. I guess I'm just trying to understand that because it's not clear to me if you're saying we used to pay it there and now we're gonna pay it here. So are we no longer gonna pay that rate to Henry County? So if I get a qu uh that question answered. And also I just have a comment, because it seems like just from the the um comments that I'm hearing from [2:05:41, 2:06:01]: From the council that the decision has pretty much been made. Like, hey, I've heard it several times, like, okay, we've got to move forward, the decision has been made, we've got to pay these taxes, we need this infrastructure, so on and so forth. And so my comment is that, you know, just from the interactions of everybody today, like this morning and here, I come because I'm a [2:06:01, 2:06:21]: concerned citizen, right? But I just want to make sure when you all do make decisions, you have our best interests at heart. And the communication really needs to be on one accord, right? So being respectful, listening, because it just seemed like we went on for like an hour and a half of everybody having to make a point. And to me that was just a lot when it was a public hearing. And so I [2:06:21, 2:06:41]: I just ask that when you make the decision, sounds like it's been made, but just really think about the citizens and how it's going to impact us and what rate will really be um beneficial or what's really going to um be best for the citizens and you all listen to each other when you're talking and be respectful. And that's my comment. Appreciate you comment. [2:06:40, 2:06:41]: [7604.1, 7624.1]: Pre appreciate your comments. The final decision won't be made from the council until after the third public hearing, which is set for the twenty-seventh of uh July, which should be nine o'clock here in the council chambers. And the one point nine zero four uh was what everybody was paying for Henry County Police. You no longer pay that Henry County police, that that comes actually it's automatic. You've already been paying it. [2:07:04, 2:07:15]: It's now coming to Stockbridge to support the our police department here at Stockbridge. Okay, so it's it's it's the same amount, but it's just coming to the city now versus Henry County. Sir, please come forward your name and address, please. [2:07:18, 2:07:22]: Eric Knowles, one hundred one one Holly Ridge Road, Scottbridge, Georgia. [2:07:23, 2:07:26]: Um, I come and you know, concerned about the millage rate, but [2:07:27, 2:07:29]: You can say, I mean, it's done. [2:07:29, 2:07:31]: We saw the presentation, you won't survive without it. [2:07:33, 2:07:46]: What's gonna be done to stop it there, to make it where you don't come to us next year and say, We gotta raise it another mill, we gotta raise it another mill. [2:07:47, 2:07:48]: Our properties are gonna go up. [2:07:49, 2:07:50]: They're going to. [2:07:50, 2:07:53]: So they're gonna automatically be an increase next year. [2:07:54, 2:07:57]: Unless we go through another housing crash like we did. [2:07:58, 2:08:01]: So what's the feasibility that you can speak to us on? [2:08:02, 2:08:08]: And that this is where it stops for the foreseeable future, that we can survive. [2:08:08, 2:08:14]: It's gonna be I I mean I my feeling is it's gonna be the four mils, but that's just my personal feeling. [2:08:14, 2:08:16]: Is it gonna stop there? [2:08:17, 2:08:21]: Because you know, I'm a teacher. Every time I get a raise. [2:08:23, 2:08:24]: Is gone. [2:08:25, 2:08:26]: It's gone. So [2:08:26, 2:08:30]: I just wanna hear because this is done. I mean, just like y'all said. [2:08:31, 2:08:33]: What's gonna stop it here? [2:08:34, 2:08:34]: Thank you all. [2:08:35, 2:08:55]: No problem. Appreciate it, sir. I would imagine what what has to happen is the co over the course of time as you continue to legislate that you that we do we're transparent and that we do the right things for you for you citizens and we have the engagement with you and uh hopefully that we'll be able to maintain uh everything that we can so it doesn't go up high. Now I can't obviously predict the future. None of us. [2:08:55, 2:09:07]: And I don't know what else to say other than that at this point, uh in that aspect. So uh just gotta stay tuned as we continue to legislate and and live and work and play in the community. Ma'am, if you can come forward please, your name and address. [2:09:11, 2:09:22]: Sonny Randazzo, Barrent Street. Um, Mr. Smith is gonna bring up the fact that we could trim the amphitheater to a great deal. We got a lot of shows y losing money. [2:09:23, 2:09:41]: The next almost all the remaining shows have sold less than a thousand tickets. But my question is, uh once the tax is in place, are we gonna be able to um apply for a senior or homestead exemption for the city tax? [2:09:41, 2:10:01]: Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. I believe what's happening is that Mr. Harris is he's still here, correct? Mr. Harris has talked further about the the actual uh homestead exemption uh that for the age limits. So if you could once again please reiterate the homestead exemption, the process for that. Seems though that maybe this individual may have lost that and then pick up on that. So homestead exemption. [2:10:01, 2:10:21]: Exemption, the age limit, how that goes about how what the process you go about, just to make sure that people understand the process here. Right. Most folks have typically once they purchase their house or move into Henry County, you know, they're always told by their real real estate agent to file for their homestead. So most folks always do that. That's your typical, you know, L1 exemption that you'll see on your [2:10:21, 2:10:41]: Tax bill. There is an additional age exemption that kicks in once you are reached the age of 62 on January 1st of that tax year. So if you turn 62 on January 3rd, it wouldn't apply into that following year. [2:10:41, 2:11:01]: tax year and simply need to bring in your driver's license to to show proof of age. Once you apply for your exemption at age 62, it'll automatically um increase your exemption amount at age 65, again at age 68, and at age 70, you'll no longer be paying your um um school taxes. [2:11:01, 2:11:05]: All right. [2:11:06, 2:11:06]: Okay. [2:11:07, 2:11:13]: I I'll tell you what, m Mr Harris, if you can maybe talk with her and and and and straighten that out. Sir, could you come forward, sir, name and address, please? [2:11:17, 2:11:21]: Charles McEwan, three sixty Grand Florida Drive, McDonough, Georgia, three zero two five three. [2:11:22, 2:11:34]: Go ahead, sir, please. Good evening. Good evening. Mayor Ford and Councilman and Councilwomen. Um, I spoke to you, Mayor Ford, when you were on the election uh trail, and I told you then I felt like I was bamboozled. [2:11:35, 2:11:36]: by the council [2:11:36, 2:11:38]: Um prior to you being re reelected. [2:11:38, 2:11:42]: Based on the annexation, we had a long discussion about the annexation. [2:11:42, 2:11:46]: I voted against the annexation, even though I could afford to support the annexation. [2:11:47, 2:12:05]: And the reason I felt bamboozled is because we're full circle now and all I hear is taxes, taxes, taxes. But the quality of life, in my opinion, from you guys management is not what I'm not what I was wanting to pay for. And if I had known this in the past, if I could rewrite history, I would have voted for an annexation, because either way we were gonna get taxed. [2:12:05, 2:12:09]: We got a new police department. I support police obviously because I want safety in our community. [2:12:10, 2:12:13]: But at the same time, without a feasibility study, who said that was necessary? [2:12:14, 2:12:17]: You guys say the crime is down, but based off of what? [2:12:18, 2:12:21]: What what crime is now based off of what? What what is what I mean? [2:12:21, 2:12:23]: What are numbers that to support [2:12:23, 2:12:24]: This police department. [2:12:25, 2:12:27]: And now we're here today, I'm assuming, because [2:12:28, 2:12:31]: We're we're asking for more money to support this this police department, correct? [2:12:32, 2:12:52]: That that is correct. Now um our police chief is is still here and um m Chief Trammer, could you come? Oh we we oh stand by please. I'll I'll have him address that in just a second. Okay, I'll have him address that in just a bit. He'll be able to address that. So what else is on what else is on your mind, sir? Oh in addition to that, like I said, the the the way I see it [2:12:52, 2:13:04]: We're building new schools. Obviously we need new schools because of the growth. You know, we have apartments going up everywhere. And I mean that means we're gonna be paying more taxes, not the people in apartments, of course. So with that being said, [2:13:05, 2:13:25]: Growth is good, but not all growth is good. And not all growth the way we're doing it is not not good. So the way we're running this thing now, I d I don't I don't agree with it with much of this uh way you guys are running things basically. So and I know you guys are probably already like everyone else said, got your mind made up on this tax or this millage rate, should I say. Um you guys are probably gonna settle about three or four percent, I I probably imagine that. [2:13:24, 2:13:33]: Whether we all stand here and, you know, scream and yell, but we're here now, like you say. And it's great that you, you know, you bring up all the exemptions and the homesteads and that's great. [2:13:34, 2:13:38]: But that's irrelevant if the keep the military rate keeps going up every year. That's gonna be irrelevant. [2:13:38, 2:13:42]: So I mean, you guys try to, you know, put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. [2:13:44, 2:13:45]: Okay. [2:13:47, 2:13:50]: So that's pretty much all I got. Okay, good deal. Prime. Appreciate it. [2:13:51, 2:13:54]: Chief Traveler, thank you sir. You're welcome. Chief Travel, could you come to the podium please? [2:14:10, 2:14:30]: Hey Chief, question came up if I understand correctly about the we mentioned about the the crime is down, certain percentages down based on what and I'm only assuming that is based analysis and based on a feasibility study that was done, based on uh the the results of previous years with Henry County. Now that you've taped down Stockbridge, you Chief as uh as leading the Stockbridge Police Department. So [2:14:30, 2:14:37]: So could you elaborate on the why it's why it went down, what you what it's all based on, things of that nature can further explain that? [2:14:38, 2:14:58]: So we were able to pull the uh the crime statistics uh the year prior when Henry County was responsible for police services in the city, and we compared that data to uh the same period of time the Stockbridge Police Department uh had taken over. And during that period of time, that's where we're talking about the twenty four percent reduction in violent crime, the ten percent reduction in [2:14:58, 2:15:03]: property crime for an overall eleven percent reduction in crime based on [2:15:03, 2:15:23]: the uh last full year versus the year prior when Henry County was policing here. And there was another statement that was made earlier. And just to address that, since you've been addressing other questions, there was a comment made that Henry County is handling half the calls in the city and that's absolutely not the case. Uh Henry County has not taken any reports or handled any calls inside the city limits of Stockbridge proper. [2:15:23, 2:15:29]: unless that was backing up our officers and we also backed them up on calls as well. So I wanted to clarify that information. [2:15:30, 2:15:48]: Thank you, Chief. Appreciate that. All right. Um Sir, come to the podium and you get your name and address. I I see Mr. Wall. I see Mr. No, no, I just want that there was a feasibility study done, two of them. Right, right. Good deal. There was. Name and address, uh please get your three minutes. Uh Madam Clerk, you ready? [2:15:48, 2:15:53]: Go ready, please. I'm Bruce Smith and I have a house under contract here in Stockbridge. [2:15:54, 2:15:58]: And the reason why I'm not given the address because there was a council person here that was uh [2:15:59, 2:16:18]: dipping into my business back about two, three months ago. So put it this way, we're under contract stock bridge. Uh good evening. Um Mr. Gardner, Mr. Uh uh Tax Commissioner, Chief, good evening. I appreciate this opportunity to come before you. [2:16:18, 2:16:23]: to uh explain some things that you people are being uh not telling people the truth about. [2:16:24, 2:16:25]: Number one. [2:16:26, 2:16:30]: That one point nine mils that going back to the city and the county and all this other stuff. [2:16:30, 2:16:32]: That pay for three police officers. [2:16:32, 2:16:35]: Three Henry County police officers. That's what they pay for. [2:16:36, 2:16:37]: Okay. [2:16:37, 2:16:41]: Number two, I've never been against a police department. [2:16:41, 2:16:42]: бо [2:16:42, 2:16:43]: Oh [2:16:43, 2:16:48]: Way back when when cross the street at city hall cross the street. [2:16:48, 2:16:51]: When one one council person was on the council then [2:16:51, 2:16:52]: I was for a police department. [2:16:53, 2:16:54]: But it had to be done right. [2:16:55, 2:16:56]: When I ran for mayor. [2:16:57, 2:17:09]: Chief Trim and I had a conversation and I told him I'm not against the police department, but it was not done right. Now what you did is you got a whole fistful of money and decided, oh, we're gonna start a police department, in my opinion. [2:17:09, 2:17:10]: Okay, my opinion. [2:17:11, 2:17:18]: But you didn't put in the factor how you're gonna pay for this police department fiscal year twenty twenty four. And that's where we're at today. [2:17:19, 2:17:27]: But you've made all this got all today. You said, oh, we cut back to God, we got a whole 11 million dollars. What happens when that runs out? [2:17:27, 2:17:44]: You still haven't come up with a solution to pay for the police department. Now, I I heard the conservative figure of$1.2 million. Is that right? To uh deal with the police department? Well, the actual number is if you're gonna have a first-class, full service police department in 2024, they need$12 million. [2:17:46, 2:17:54]: They need a flat out$12 million. That$1.2 million plus$11 million you got right now is not even gonna touch the bucket for what they need to do. [2:17:55, 2:17:59]: And now you have infiltration of crime coming in from the other counties into Stockbridge. [2:18:00, 2:18:05]: And they need to get other police officers out there. Not as far as uh I I heard a count that uh [2:18:06, 2:18:10]: Six hundred calls were answered in in in the city of Stockbridge and in in uh [2:18:10, 2:18:13]: Um Henry Conn took a third of them. [2:18:14, 2:18:19]: Now eventually Henry Connie gonna come back and say, look, y'all need to pay us for these calls we we've been out here doing. [2:18:20, 2:18:22]: Now as far as his Millestine, [2:18:25, 2:18:30]: You need to come up with some true numbers'cause like one council person said, it's spilled milk. [2:18:30, 2:18:32]: Police department has to get [2:18:32, 2:18:33]: has to be funded. [2:18:33, 2:18:53]: And this little this little number that you coming up with is not gonna is not gonna fund the police department the way it needs to be funded. Now, what has happened since this councilperson was in the city hall over that, this council here, because we came in together when Mayor Thompson was elected, all of you, all of us came came together except for one councilperson. [2:18:54, 2:19:11]: When we came in together, y'all started blowing too money. All right. That's the three minutes, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. All right. So um [2:19:11, 2:19:14]: [8354.4, 8358.1]: Three you guys few names. Come on, sir. Name name and address please. [2:19:23, 2:19:29]: Good evening. Good evening. Uh Stuart Eball, one thirteen Ashling Grove. Uh [2:19:29, 2:19:38]: Neighborhood Johns. Always good to see him. Um, obviously here in Stockbridge. I just want to kind of uh close it out by putting some of this in perspective. This this whole thing seems like a uh [2:19:39, 2:19:42]: Kind of self inflicted uh sucking chest wound here. [2:19:43, 2:19:43]: Um [2:19:45, 2:19:51]: You know, there's always been a lot of discussion on on all kinds of things, whether it was annexation, whether it was City of Eagles Landing, whether it was a police department. [2:19:51, 2:19:56]: Ненезд, прая джентльман з алудю, амі, амже шок. [2:19:56, 2:20:01]: That we brought in the police and no disrespect to the captain. I love what they're doing and and his crew, but this was before him. [2:20:02, 2:20:04]: That we had no plan for next year. [2:20:04, 2:20:11]: We're we've always been told we have no city tax, we have no city tax, Stockbridge has no city tax. Well I'll be [2:20:11, 2:20:22]: If we didn't hear two hours ago, for a decade you've been paying one point nine mil city tax. Why the hell have we been hearing all that time? We have no city tax. That's a lie. [2:20:23, 2:20:27]: I've never heard that. I've been here twenty six years, or at least the ten we've had it for the last. [2:20:28, 2:20:31]: Why have we been here and there's been no city tax for every project that's come up? [2:20:34, 2:20:37]: Now let's put this into perspective. Okay? So [2:20:39, 2:20:50]: It every time there's a drink uh uh uh uh tax that comes up, whether it's splost, we went from six to seven, it's always, oh, it's just a penny. No, that's seventeen percent. [2:20:51, 2:20:54]: And then it went from seven to eight that we're at now. Oh, it's just a penny. [2:20:54, 2:20:55]: No? [2:20:56, 2:20:56]: Thank you. [2:20:57, 2:20:58]: That's 14%. [2:21:00, 2:21:02]: The millage rate, okay? [2:21:02, 2:21:07]: From what we're at now and I use the three twenty five price, it came it comes out the same way. [2:21:07, 2:21:10]: 'Cause we don't have any houses in hoc in Stockbridge anymore for a hundred grand, I tell ya. [2:21:11, 2:21:20]: Um as Mr. Alexander knows, because he's also a real estate agent. So let's go with that three twenty-five number. And if you go with the four that four point uh two one five. [2:21:20, 2:21:26]: That's a hundred and twenty two percent increase in tax. It's not, oh, it's only three hundred dollars. [2:21:27, 2:21:29]: That's a hundred and twenty-two percent. [2:21:30, 2:21:31]: Okay? [2:21:32, 2:21:43]: And then and using his example and his taxes, and it it's a fair example to do, yeah, I could I didn't catch the exact math, but it's three thousand dollars or whatever, and it's going up three hundred dollars. [2:21:43, 2:21:45]: That's another 10%. [2:21:45, 2:21:52]: Nobody's pay rates are going up a hundred and twenty-two percent, fourteen percent, seventeen percent. [2:21:53, 2:21:55]: But you want that kind of money out of our pocket. [2:21:56, 2:21:57]: I'll leave it at that. [2:21:57, 2:21:58]: Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. [2:21:59, 2:21:59]: Mm. [2:22:00, 2:22:01]: Sir Sir. [2:22:02, 2:22:22]: Sir, she needs you to need you to sign up, sign that document there. And there's no city property tax, is what we're referring to. There's always a one point nine zero zero four tax public safety. Right. But but it was no city proper tax. Right, but that was for public safety. But it's no there was no city property tax. When we say no tax, it was meant no city property tax. That's what it was. That's what it was. Okay. Point take, but that's [2:22:22, 2:22:42]: That's not the way it's putting out. Okay. Okay. No problem, sir. That's right. Next ma'am. Go ahead, ma'am. Your name and address, please. Jane Lee, 553, Creek Stone Drive, Jonesboro, Georgia, 30236. Okay. Um, you guys have pretty much responded to everybody's comments that's been up here except Mr. Smith's, and his are the ones I would really like to hear the response to. [2:22:42, 2:22:50]: About the$12 million that it's actually going to take to do this police department and what's going to happen next year. All right. All right. Stand by. [2:22:50, 2:22:55]: Uh your your name, address, she needs that. Okay. Uh Mr uh Chief Trammer. [2:22:57, 2:22:59]: Now Mr Gardner can come on up too. [2:23:00, 2:23:02]: I know I understand it. [2:23:03, 2:23:04]: Good. [2:23:11, 2:23:31]: So in reference to uh the the amount of money, twelve million dollars, things of that nature, we talked early earlier, Chief, in your presentation, you talked about all the offer funds that we have. We talked about uh the actual bond the three million b uh dollars that we bonded. We haven't used all those. I actually are Mr. Wall is here now to talk about you know to defer all that, because uh we got blessed with RP. [2:23:30, 2:23:43]: And things of this nature. So could you re elaborate on reference to the funding thus far uh since you been a police officer or the chief of our department here and when and what's been happening with all that, how you've been funded properly? [2:23:43, 2:23:50]: Yeah, so so currently our budget's around six point four million dollars and that's with the staff that we have. We have seventy one employees [2:23:50, 2:23:53]: With a six point four million dollar budget presently. [2:23:53, 2:24:13]: Um obviously the annexation it br it it it brought in new areas, it brought in new responsibilities, uh and now we're responsible for the entirety of the interstate from Henry County all the way down to Jotico Road, which obviously presents some different challenges. So as a result of that, we've seen an increase in calls for service. Uh we do need to grow the department um and I think that our projections were [2:24:13, 2:24:33]: Um an estimated, you know, nine to ten officers additionally in order to meet the demands that calls for service. And I believe that what we were discussing earlier and Mr. Gardner can speak to this specifically. I think that the projection for the budget next year was eight point two million dollars to fund the police department based on what our needs are currently. Eight point two million. Yes, sir. All right. Definitely not twelve million. Eight point two million. [2:24:33, 2:24:39]: All right. Uh thank you. Thank thank you, sir. Appreciate that. Uh Mr Gardner, you had anything else you need to add at this point? [2:24:39, 2:24:47]: No, sir. I think the chief said it said it succinctly. All right. Good deal. Thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate that. Uh on that note, uh I will close. Yes, ma'am. [2:24:56, 2:24:58]: Or you had somebody else who didn't [2:24:59, 2:25:01]: Do you have you have somebody signed up, you mean, that didn't speak? [2:25:06, 2:25:16]: Well yeah, I I would say we're done. Nobody else is standing. I try to get everybody who was standing. So on a note I'm gonna close the public hearing. Uh okay. Okay. [2:25:18, 2:25:20]: Oh that that your name and address, please. [2:25:21, 2:25:23]: I signed up but I didn't know I was signed up to speak. [2:25:24, 2:25:30]: But Keisha Foster, one sixty eight, uh Mr. Rich Trail. Uh my question is [2:25:31, 2:25:33]: What are we gonna do about like the [2:25:34, 2:25:42]: We go into other cities, um, like our building just fell down like a couple of days ago where the um the [2:25:43, 2:25:48]: Liquor store and all the buildings in Stockbridge are kind of like old. [2:25:49, 2:25:50]: Very old. [2:25:50, 2:25:55]: Uh, what are we gonna do to probably spruce up the the city when you come into it? You know how these other [2:25:56, 2:25:57]: City's got the [2:25:58, 2:26:01]: All the buildings the same colors or they re [2:26:01, 2:26:05]: biological downtown area. Only thing we've done is the after theater. [2:26:06, 2:26:09]: But the rest of the the city looks like a a hot mess. [2:26:09, 2:26:11]: It looks old. [2:26:11, 2:26:22]: It looks terrible. All the money's going to Logust Grove, um, Jortico Road, Joel's Borough Road. But what about one thirty-eight? [2:26:23, 2:26:24]: And [2:26:24, 2:26:25]: Um hurtsy bridge. [2:26:26, 2:26:27]: Like what are y'all gonna do to [2:26:29, 2:26:34]: Fitch those places up. Okay. Cause we don't have oh we don't have like what fast food. [2:26:34, 2:26:36]: Here on one hundred thirty eight. [2:26:37, 2:26:39]: Logan's gold is growing. [2:26:40, 2:26:41]: A lot. [2:26:41, 2:26:43]: Jonesburg Road had grown a lot. [2:26:44, 2:26:47]: But it look like a ghetto over here in one thirty eight. [2:26:50, 2:26:56]: Okay. One. That and [2:26:57, 2:26:59]: Yeah. More traffic lights. [2:27:00, 2:27:01]: And less roundabouts. [2:27:02, 2:27:04]: Also more sidewalks. [2:27:05, 2:27:08]: Um we definitely need sidewalks on flipping. [2:27:09, 2:27:11]: Up all the way down flipping. [2:27:11, 2:27:15]: 'Cause a lot of people walk flipping and they had to walk into the the grass park. [2:27:16, 2:27:18]: Uh whether you go on the Kroger or whatever. [2:27:18, 2:27:25]: Um I live right there at Reed's Creek Trail, Tie Street, Nisa, um sidewalk.'Cause I go walking all the time. [2:27:26, 2:27:28]: But luckily I was I live in the subdivision that's right there. Mm-hmm. [2:27:29, 2:27:32]: But that street I walked to Food Depot, I walked to the [2:27:32, 2:27:33]: The library. [2:27:34, 2:27:36]: But we need some s um sidewalks there as well. [2:27:37, 2:27:39]: So what are we doing for [2:27:40, 2:27:41]: That kind of stuff. [2:27:41, 2:27:43]: Plus I don't want the property taxes to go up. [2:27:43, 2:27:45]: It can go up but not that much. [2:27:46, 2:27:48]: So I don't care about the increasing [2:27:49, 2:27:49]: But [2:27:50, 2:27:51]: Do a st uh like a [2:27:52, 2:27:54]: A small amount of increase. [2:27:56, 2:27:56]: Okay. [2:27:57, 2:27:59]: Okay. [2:28:00, 2:28:20]: I got what 41 seconds? Is that is that it? Ah, let's see. Okay, watch let me let me let me let me mention let me mention this to you. What about hiring? Okay, hold on a second. Let me mention this to you. This is actually uh in re a hearing a public hearing reference to Millet. Some of the things you talked about dealt with uh you're talking about trails or sidewalks, and when that's [2:28:19, 2:28:39]: part of our T Sploss plan. We we have a strategic plan on that. If you're talking about the downtown area, we're working to rebuild and redevelop our downtown area and we're working on that. And we're in phase two of a LCI. Okay, phase one was the amphitheater. You're talking about the bridge of the Jodico. It's a lot if you go to Jodico Road in 75, there's a lot of construction going on. Costco's is coming. [2:28:39, 2:28:59]: You know, s prouts is coming. Those things are happening, okay? Those are not part of the the millage. That has nothing directly to do with the millage per se that we're supposed to talk about tonight. But there are things that are happening in the city, all right, that we're moving forward and and to build up the city. More f most of the most modern type of buildings and things are going up from new communities. When you're talking about older communities or older homes, well [2:28:59, 2:29:19]: Well actually that's part of the homeownership for individuals to do what they can to increase the value or increase their the structure of their home themselves. But if but if you're dealing with businesses, there's certain things we can possibly do with certain businesses in the emphasized areas whether it's downtown or 138, we can deal with businesses with code enforcement things of that nature and with our development agencies. Okay. So [2:29:19, 2:29:39]: So hopefully that'll help you. Okay, on that note that I don't see anybody else standing, so I'm gonna close this public hearing because that really that was not a public hearing issue, but so Bob, we wanna let you speak and address it. That's the best we can do with it. I know, but I just agree with I I don't have no problem with the military justice too high of an increase. I appreciate that. I think kind of I think small I think the clerk needs small I think the clerk needs your name and address, ma'am. [2:29:39, 2:29:45]: Ma'am, you have a you this is a comment uh against the mail is rate. Is that what you're talking about? Yes, come on up, please. [2:29:47, 2:29:55]: I'm sorry for getting up late. Your name and address. Clytel Pittman, four nine seven Townsend Bend, Stockbridge, Georgia. [2:29:56, 2:29:57]: I was just [2:29:58, 2:30:00]: Sitting there thinking. [2:30:00, 2:30:20]: When the decision was made, it seems like everything is being referred to the police department. So when this decision was made to get a police department, all of the stuff that went in as far as having this police department was that considered as far as [2:30:20, 2:30:20]: Uh [2:30:21, 2:30:31]: The city, city council, or was it considered for our senior citizens and citizens of Stockbridge to have to pay for it? [2:30:33, 2:30:53]: Well, what it amounts to, ma'am, it really, I mean the chief can speak, I can speak, and order even the rest of the council and uh city manager. What it amounts to, we looked at we we collected as a group, looked at the aspect to have our own police department. We fulfilled we have we would have better uh protection, policing, being a safer community if we had our own. It's always good to have your own, just like home ownership. [2:30:53, 2:31:11]: in this aspect. So it's always good to have your own. Now we wouldn't have to worry about the Henry County. We can develop our own and have our own police department itself. Now obviously police departments do cost and it comes at a it comes at a cost there. Yeah, because I mean it's a lot of senior citizens that live in Stockbridge. People are already catching hell from even trying to buy groceries. [2:31:11, 2:31:12]: So [2:31:13, 2:31:13]: Heaven [2:31:14, 2:31:15]: Millish tack. [2:31:16, 2:31:18]: At it every year. Mm-hmm. [2:31:19, 2:31:21]: People ain't gonna be able to live here. [2:31:22, 2:31:25]: W well we'll we'll we'll hopefully it'll work out well. Okay. [2:31:26, 2:31:26]: No. [2:31:26, 2:31:46]: I mean I don't know how else I've what else wait for. That's hoping it'll work out well. All right. All right. Tom, calm down folks. Calm down. Any other com ma'am, you have any other comments? You have any other comments? That's it. Okay, thank you very much. Okay, folks, we're gonna we're gonna end this public hearing. We're gonna end this public hearing. Alright, so I'm gonna close the public hearing. We've had we've listened to all the comments two and f two and four. [2:31:46, 2:31:49]: So did you have a little bit of a little bit of [2:31:50, 2:32:00]: Okay, so we're gonna end up public hearing. So council, uh just out of curiosity, if if we have any closing comments before we we adjourn the meeting, any closing comments at all? Pot Yes ma'am. [2:32:01, 2:32:10]: Have a closing comment. I want to thank everybody for voicing their opinions. We we hear you. Um I can tell you right now that we don't get [2:32:10, 2:32:12]: Any benefit from [2:32:12, 2:32:32]: Any any one of us, I definitely am hurting when it comes to taxes. I feel like we've been taxed to death. I'm looking at the highest tax, which is the school board tax, and I think is absolutely ridiculous. But I can't sit here and tell you that we can't run, you can't we can't have it both ways. And yes, there was a feasibility. [2:32:32, 2:32:52]: study that was done on the police department and yes there were projections and yes some of us voiced our opinions against that however we are here now and understand the police department is here most constituents when there was a um the [2:32:52, 2:33:06]: Eagles Landing thing and everything else. One of the arguments was we want our own police department. That was the argument on the other side. We're gonna get a police department. The argument was we want our own police department. [2:33:06, 2:33:11]: And it's wait wait a minute, I'm talking. I'm talking. I voted against it. [2:33:12, 2:33:18]: And I agree, I agree. I agree. I'm sorry. I agree, but [2:33:19, 2:33:20]: You know what? [2:33:20, 2:33:40]: I can agree with a lot of things that I believe that the constituents should vote for. But by law, that is not the case. And so what we have done, we have now we ha now have a police department. I just wanna thank you for voicing your opinions. My door is always open and whatever I can answer, I will. [2:33:40, 2:33:50]: And what I don't know, I'm gonna send you to the people who can answer. But thank you for taking out the time. There are are are five of us and a mayor. [2:33:50, 2:33:52]: And there is thirty eight thousand of you. [2:33:54, 2:34:01]: And look at how many people showed up today. We didn't have to sit in the amphitheater. We sat right here and you still had seats. [2:34:03, 2:34:08]: All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. Ms. Blount, please. [2:34:09, 2:34:10]: Not saying they don't care. [2:34:11, 2:34:13]: Not saying they don't care. [2:34:13, 2:34:30]: What I'm saying is understand because I wanna hear from I wanna hear from you. And I wanna be able to tell you my side and version of what has been seen. And I think this is very, very good tonight. So thank you. Thank you all for attending. Mr. Blount, please. [2:34:30, 2:34:50]: I just wanna say uh this is that one of the things that I have done since I've been on this council is to look at every situation and look at the citizens' needs and try my best to make every decision from this pulpit from pulpit or from this dais from this dais and [2:34:50, 2:34:57]: And uh to assist in making a better quality of life for the citizens. [2:34:57, 2:35:00]: One of the things I can say is that [2:35:00, 2:35:04]: My last name is Blount and that's just who I am. I'm straightforward. [2:35:04, 2:35:12]: I think that when it came up about what's what was going on, what was gonna be needed to sustain the police department, we can cheer about how we started it. [2:35:13, 2:35:30]: But I don't think the c the message was clear enough on how to sustain this police department. I do I am very concerned about the seniors. Very concerned. I had one of the biggest senior events in this in in Henry County and and it'll be going on tomorrow. Bingo Bash. Thank you for saying you coming, Miss Jones. [2:35:31, 2:35:36]: So I do I am very concerned about the seniors. My wife was on this Henry County Board of Agent. [2:35:37, 2:35:40]: I've love working with all citizens. [2:35:40, 2:35:42]: But this this county [2:35:43, 2:35:45]: And not only this county, this city. [2:35:45, 2:35:50]: People have to take interest on this city, look at what's going on. [2:35:51, 2:36:04]: Look at all of us that you're putting in office. Look at what we stand for. Look at what we're doing. And don't complain when things go to where they are now. Look at who's putting it and putting it us in the place we're in. [2:36:05, 2:36:07]: That becomes cumbersome. [2:36:08, 2:36:14]: I don't think it's one let me tell you something. Let me let me let me let me clarify something. I don't think it's one council member up here. [2:36:15, 2:36:19]: The the every councilman up here wants to do something good for this city. [2:36:20, 2:36:22]: Does it always work that way? [2:36:23, 2:36:24]: That's an opinion. [2:36:24, 2:36:26]: But I don't think any of us up here. [2:36:27, 2:36:28]: Ways out [2:36:29, 2:36:30]: Take our time. [2:36:30, 2:36:32]: A wasting time. [2:36:32, 2:36:39]: to say we're we're gonna hurt this city, we're gonna hurt citizens, we're gonna do this and do that. I that's not the makeup here. [2:36:40, 2:36:44]: Бо ви абви шоби по decisions we make. [2:36:45, 2:36:48]: Look at my track record. Look at everybody's track record. [2:36:49, 2:36:51]: Look at who you're putting in office. [2:36:52, 2:36:54]: Because I knew [2:36:55, 2:36:56]: John Blount knew [2:36:57, 2:37:02]: We was gonna be in this position today, and I've been saying it from day one. [2:37:05, 2:37:05]: All right. [2:37:06, 2:37:24]: Any closing comments before we go? Um, I don't know. Go ahead, Mr. Thomas. Thank you, Mayor Ford. And I just want to thank all of you all for coming out. I really appreciate every comment that has been made. And this is the process. And the and what happened tonight and the comments. [2:37:25, 2:37:45]: It should be said. We need to hear those comments. So don't feel that we didn't want to hear from you all. This is the process. Uh and it should happen. But let me say, uh I'm a senior myself. I'm on a fixed income. I don't want to tax. So it it's it's gonna burden me as well, but but this is what I think [2:37:45, 2:38:05]: We some of us are missing when it comes to the senior, and I think the tax commissioners sort of said it about uh the exemptions. So, and I'm looking at mine, and I've had conversation. So, I'm just saying, I don't think now, don't don't quote me on this, but and you could call Mr. Harris, but I don't think the senior [2:38:05, 2:38:25]: Seniors are going to be burdened with a lot. I heard a lot of misinformation just based on some of the comments. But that's okay. But we're eventually gonna straighten those out. Every comment that was made, and hopefully you will get an answer. And I appreciate the mayor, it's not a normal process to [2:38:25, 2:38:44]: engage in public hearings the way it is supposed to be done. But I think the mayor wanted to make sure that every question, every comment, that you had someone that was going to respond to that. And I and I think that is good. But but but but I'll just say though that [2:38:45, 2:38:46]: Any city. [2:38:47, 2:38:48]: Any city. [2:38:49, 2:38:52]: If you're trying to be progressive and trying to grow [2:38:53, 2:38:56]: These are the issues that we're going to face. [2:38:56, 2:39:16]: But we're gonna try to make sure that no one is gonna lose their home because of what we're trying to do. And like I said before, when we had a police department, we had a tax. Now, and I know everyone trying to equate this millage with the police, so it you know. [2:39:16, 2:39:19]: A public safety or no public safety. [2:39:19, 2:39:34]: For me, I voted for public safety. And I understand public safety. And and as we look at the six o'clock news and et cetera, et cetera, we see the need for public safety. Because you know what? If we did not have it, [2:39:34, 2:39:54]: And things was happening, you would be in here complaining about well, what is happening in my neighborhood. What is happening in my neighborhood? So, but again, I appreciate y'all coming, and I just want to speak to the lady here. Um, with the T Splash Project, there will be sidewalks from North Henry Boulevard all the way down [2:39:54, 2:40:14]: Tie Street to Red Oak to the four-way stop. We had a town hall the other night and that was spoken. So it's a lot, it's a lot happening. But be informed. So I'm just saying, go to the website, and I know the gentleman said that he went to the website and there was not a lot of information. Come to the council meeting. Most of the council meetings, it's nobody here. [2:40:14, 2:40:19]: All I suggest is just get the correct information. [2:40:20, 2:40:34]: Get the correct information and let's not so far go off of emotions. Just get the right information because we're all citizens here too. Everything that you face, we have to face. Just because we're sitting up here. [2:40:34, 2:40:37]: We we're not making any money. I'm on a fixed income. [2:40:38, 2:40:40]: So I don't wanna tax myself. [2:40:40, 2:40:49]: But I wanna make sure that here in the city of Startbridge where I live, where I live, that we have quality of life. [2:40:50, 2:41:10]: So that's that's my main issue here to make sure we have quality because I don't want to live anywhere else. I want to live right here in Stockbridge. So, mayor, I'm gonna yield back, but I just want to thank you all. Look, and always, always speak, always let us hear. And if you need to call me, call me. And then I heard some folks that may be in [2:41:10, 2:41:12]: [9672.6, 9677.1]: But don't get caught up in misinformation. [2:41:17, 2:41:18]: Get the truth then. [2:41:19, 2:41:20]: And what they say about the truth? [2:41:21, 2:41:25]: It will set you free. Thank you. No problem, sir. Any other okay, Mr. Alzheimer's, go ahead. [2:41:27, 2:41:28]: Stand by folks. [2:41:28, 2:41:48]: I just want to say thank everybody for coming out. Uh you know, it would be great. Calm down, folks. Listen. Every city council meeting was like this. Most of the time this room is empty. We're talking to one or two people. And if this if we had this type of public participation and engagement, [2:41:48, 2:42:08]: The community could only grow stronger. It's been great sitting here listening to the comments tonight so everybody could get in and get their information out to us. But we try to do everything that we can on every platform possible to be able to share with you uh the great things that are coming to the city. I I I love what you [2:42:08, 2:42:28]: Just said, and one of the reasons that I ran for office was because I saw what you saw on North Henry Boulevard. We're doing everything that we can. We just established a citywide development authority, and that citywide development authority will be issuing facade grants so they can buy new signs and they can fix. [2:42:28, 2:42:48]: Up the outside of their building. That's what the Citywide Development Authority does. Also, one of the things that we did was we passed some of the highest standards in Metro Atlanta. Once the tire shops and the pawn shops and the you know all of the negative businesses get there, they grandfathered in. [2:42:48, 2:43:07]: can't kick them out. But what you're seeing is some of the things that you all oppose is that we have new development coming on Highway 138 and Spivey Road. It's a$125 million project that'll be class A and the beautiful buildings that you described will be in that development. [2:43:08, 2:43:26]: There will be a right. There will be a right. That's that's right, ma'am. No problem. Let us let there will be a nourishing bloom organic grocer that will be there. There will be several others there. On Jodico Road, we're not going to be able to do that. No, this is no, this is one thirty eight. I'm talking about one I'm talking about one thirty eight. [2:43:27, 2:43:47]: Listen, ma'am, let him let him make make his comments, please. You already had your comments. I'm talking about 138. This is Fivey Road and Highway 138. All of that new stuff is coming in Councilwoman Gantt's district. And as we go on, what's gonna happen is we have standards. Now, every time somebody uh buys or tears down, buys and tears down one of those buildings. [2:43:47, 2:44:07]: They gotta build a 10-foot multi-use path in front of it, upgraded sidewalk, the building gotta be constructed out of brick. Everything has to be improved. But what happened is the real estate is increasing in value so much that when somebody comes in, you can't put a dollar store there because we put we prohibited that. You can't put a check cash. [2:44:07, 2:44:27]: Cashing store because we prohibited that. You can't put a thrift store because we prohibited that. All of those unwanted uses that clutter up that corridor, they're prohibited now. But the businesses that are already there are grandfather. When I took office, we had five check casting store stations on Highway 138. We no longer have that. [2:44:27, 2:44:47]: Three of them have gone out of business. And we're when maybe the other one might too. But in the end, there'll be no more dollar stores, there'll be no more low-end businesses along that corridor. And as we said, the Jodico Rotor project is going to give you the Atlantic station or the Avalon Alpha Reddit experience because we have Costco. [2:44:47, 2:45:07]: Coming there. We have Sprouts Organic Grocer coming there. First watch breakfast brunch is coming there. A oyster bar is coming there. A 12, a hostel is coming there. There's a lot of different things that you haven't seen in the community that will be arriving here moving forward. But it's up to us. [2:45:06, 2:45:26]: To set the standard at the things that we want to do. See, I talked to the Amos, Miss Amos over here, and they talk about Highway 138 and Spear Road and Walt Stevens. Thank God Miss Gantt has Walt Stevens and on our next next agenda so that we can finally deal with it because the uh powers that be when it was in the cabinet. [2:45:26, 2:45:46]: County did did nothing for it. We had a commissioner that served for 12 years that spent absolutely no money on the Highway 138 area at all. Matter of fact, the city had to take it over because there was no county funding being spent there. I did say my county tax bill was$676. We're asking [2:45:46, 2:45:53]: I will not vote for anything over the one point nine four or three point seven seven. [2:45:53, 2:46:09]: I will not vote for anything greater than the 3.77 me. I'm telling you that now. I'm gonna vote for the 1.94 that you already paid now or the three point seven seven. I will not vote for anything over that because as I heard what you said. [2:46:09, 2:46:25]: If you do it, do it in increments. I can't go up to six. I can't go up to five or to four point one because you all are feeling the pain and I feel your pain. So if I vote for anything, it's gonna be incremental the lowest amount possible to balance the books. Thank you. [2:46:26, 2:46:29]: Uh out of curiosity, Miss Barber, do you have any closing comments? [2:46:29, 2:46:30]: Yes, I'll make her quick. [2:46:31, 2:46:35]: I understand that we're going through growing pains. Um [2:46:36, 2:46:37]: When I took office in twenty twenty [2:46:38, 2:46:40]: Much wasn't happening in our city. [2:46:40, 2:46:43]: I moved in Stockbridge in two thousand two. [2:46:44, 2:46:45]: So things hadn't changed much. [2:46:46, 2:46:50]: Авосьі, екстід або прогрес, та плен з ар сіті гад. [2:46:50, 2:46:57]: We've moved forward with a lot of those projects, the vision of our city, including a police department. [2:46:57, 2:47:04]: As our city continues to grow, public safety has to be priority for us. Um [2:47:05, 2:47:08]: The council has approved a number of new residential developments. [2:47:10, 2:47:13]: We need officers. I think what was really [2:47:14, 2:47:16]: Important for [2:47:16, 2:47:23]: Um the public to know is how these tax dollars will be spent. So if in infrastructure projects. [2:47:24, 2:47:25]: If this is gonna help [2:47:25, 2:47:29]: Fund infrastructure projects, I think the public would be receptive. [2:47:30, 2:47:34]: If they knew what those projects were and the estimated costs. [2:47:34, 2:47:35]: Including [2:47:35, 2:47:38]: The budget for the police department. [2:47:38, 2:47:44]: All that information, I believe, we should be transparent as every member of this council. [2:47:44, 2:47:46]: Um most of them. [2:47:46, 2:47:47]: Have got up and left. [2:47:48, 2:47:50]: This is what I've had to deal with since I've been here. [2:47:51, 2:47:56]: I'm the newest member of this council, so my perspective is a bit different. [2:47:56, 2:47:56]: Um [2:47:57, 2:48:03]: I again support I support all the plans and projects and the vision for our city. [2:48:04, 2:48:08]: I thank you all so very much for coming here. [2:48:08, 2:48:16]: Sharing your comments, your concerns, your desires. My votes are not based on what I believe and what I want. [2:48:17, 2:48:19]: They're ba they're based on [2:48:19, 2:48:22]: The voices of people that I speak with in the community. [2:48:23, 2:48:25]: So thank you all so very much for coming. [2:48:25, 2:48:27]: All right. On that note, um [2:48:27, 2:48:44]: Uh thank you for being here, ladies and gentlemen. Our next once again we'll do this once again on the twenty seventh and nine AM and uh God bless you all and we I'm glad you were here and we listened to what you had to say. Appreciate it. Uh Council, I need a motion to ad uh adjourn this special call meeting. Mr. Blount So move is there second. [2:48:45, 2:48:53]: Is there a second? Second. Uh second. Oh Miss Barber, second. All in favor, please. Uh Mr. Blount. Second, Miss Barber, all in favor, please indicate. [2:48:54, 2:48:55]: I [2:48:55, 2:49:02]: Okay, I got Miss Kat. I g I got okay. Okay. All right, good. We are down turned. God bless you all. [2:49:20, 2:49:22]: Okay.

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2023-07-10 source: 2023-07-10_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:22:18, 0:22:20]: Mm-hmm. [0:22:24, 0:22:31]: Yeah,'cause you gotta throw away some junk. Gently used not junk. Yeah. [0:22:45, 0:22:47]: Boy, if it was if it was six out one [0:26:18, 0:26:30]: Madam Clerk, are we ready? Yes. All right. All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to call the July 10th council meeting to order. I have 607. [0:26:31, 0:26:35]: Invocation if you please stand for Mr. Pike. Come forward please to Mike. [0:26:41, 0:26:42]: Thank you for your thank you, sir. [0:26:58, 0:27:05]: for this opportunity. Thank you for the city. Thank you for the leadership that runs today to day of us. [0:27:06, 0:27:10]: That everything is done here is pleasing to you. [0:27:10, 0:27:30]: And it's in your will, the world's will, of the citizens have done here. Uh we thank you again for the wonderful leadership that has been assembled here and represent the citizens. We ask that everything that is done here is a business that has been done that's pleasing to your sight. [0:27:30, 0:27:45]: Amen. Pledge allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:27:47, 0:27:49]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:27:59, 0:28:03]: Mayor Ford? Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. [0:28:03, 0:28:05]: Councilman Alexander. Present. [0:28:05, 0:28:18]: Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. Present. Councilman Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a forum. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Council, I need to uh make adoption, we need adoption to the agenda, but first I'd like to actually [0:28:18, 0:28:35]: present to you a amendment to the agenda and that would be item number eleven uh which deals with the IGA uh with the DDA has been requested that we postpone this until the next uh council work session which is July twenty fifth. [0:28:36, 0:28:38]: I need a motion to uh do that, please. [0:28:40, 0:28:41]: So moved. Is there a second? [0:28:42, 0:28:45]: Okay, I just wanna make sure I saw Miss Merritt come in. [0:28:47, 0:28:50]: Was that what that hurt Chris? [0:28:50, 0:29:03]: This is this is something that's brought to my attention by the city manager this time. Okay. All right, sir second. Okay, no problem. All in favor, please indicate. Thank you very much. Now council appreciate that. Now on the m uh motion to adopt the rest of the agenda, please. [0:29:06, 0:29:10]: Ms. Armor so move. Is there a second? A second. All in favor, please indicate. [0:29:10, 0:29:17]: Ms. Gan second that thank you very much. And now we'll move on to uh the adoption of the minutes. You have before you the minutes from our [0:29:17, 0:29:19]: Council meeting on May eighth. [0:29:19, 0:29:22]: C a special call meeting on May eighteenth. [0:29:22, 0:29:32]: And the council work session on the May thirtieth. If there are no additions uh to that or changes to that, I need a motion to accept those minutes into the record, please. So move. Mr. Alexander, is there a second? [0:29:34, 0:29:35]: Is there a second? [0:29:36, 0:29:42]: Mrs. Alzheimer made a motion. Is it mister Mr. Okay, Mr. Thomas Segondary? All in favor, please indicate. [0:29:42, 0:29:45]: I abstain I wasn't here on the eighteenth that [0:29:45, 0:29:56]: I'm sorry? I wasn't here on for the eighteenth. Okay. So I abstained. Okay. All right. So we've got uh four zero one, motion passed. Thank you. Um Madam Clerk, any public comments? [0:29:57, 0:30:17]: Mayor, there are no public comments. Okay. We'll move on to a ceremonial sorrow mental review. And earlier uh today, roughly about five thirty, we had the seven different swearing ins. Want to congratulate the uh youth council advisory board new member, Mary Sahid, and uh thank you for serving. Uh the planning commission member. [0:30:17, 0:30:37]: Sworn in today was Anthony Minton, and congratulations you too, sir, for serving. And then the Council on Aging Representative Mary Bonnie Washington was also sworn in. So all three of those individuals, thank you for serving and being a member of a committee to serve the city of Stockbridge. On that note, I have a consent agenda. [0:30:37, 0:30:39]: the several items on the consent agenda we have [0:30:40, 0:30:41]: Three items on the consent agenda. [0:30:42, 0:30:43]: And that would be [0:30:45, 0:31:05]: Council consideration to approve the continuation of the city of Stockbridge's participation in Hernary County Development, uh, Henry County Community Development Block Grant, C D B G program as a sub-recipient for FY 2024 to 26. The next item would be a council consideration to approve the 2023. [0:31:04, 0:31:10]: election calendar and the next item would be council consideration [0:31:10, 0:31:25]: to approve the use of amphitheater green room August 30th, 2023, from four PM to eight PM to host the Henry County CVB Convention Visitors Bureau Hospitality Mis mixer. Um on that note, that's on the consent agenda, I need a motion to accept, please. [0:31:27, 0:31:47]: Yes, sir. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Absolutely second then. All in favor, please indicate. Thank you very much. It's a unanimous decision. And now we'll move into our public hearings. Um public hearing obviously this evening uh will deal with the comprehensive planned amendment KCP-2 [0:31:47, 0:32:07]: Vista previously requested a 30-day deferral of both the rezoning and the comp plan amendment applications. Consideration of the request for a comprehensive plan amendment to assign the future land use designation of a highly detended residence. [0:32:07, 0:32:27]: Residential to a certain property on the Flip excuse me, to certain property on uh Flippin' Road to allow for the construction of a mixed-use residential development, including commercial and office uses. The applicant is a Vista residential partner, CO uh Dennis J. Web Webb Jr. The property could [0:32:27, 0:32:47]: contains uh three parcels of land, lot thirty eight of District 12, as listed below, with 276.91 uh total acreage within the city limits of Stockbridge. Parcel 03030 dash zero one zero zero four zero zero zero large [0:32:47, 0:33:07]: Parcel 249.19 acres located between Flippin' Road and Interstate 75 and 675. Parcel number 030-01003001. Medium-sized parcel with 24.24.97 acres located at 630 Flippin' Road. [0:33:07, 0:33:24]: Road and parcel 030-01004008, small parcel at 2.7 acres, excuse me, 2.75 acres, located at 348, excuse me, 384 Flippin' Road, presented by Mr. Anderson, please. [0:33:24, 0:33:35]: Um purpose of this item is for the design future lines of high-tensity resolution to allow for construction of the machine resolution. [0:33:40, 0:33:42]: You guys are commissioned. [0:33:44, 0:33:51]: Here's a picture of the current and future lanes and map other areas. Here's the site highlighted by Star. [0:33:54, 0:33:56]: Here's a starting now. [0:33:56, 0:34:01]: Other site. It's once again highlighted by Star, it's currently on PUB. [0:34:02, 0:34:10]: Here's the surrounding land use designations. To the north you got vegan density. To the south you got vegan density, vertical issues. [0:34:11, 0:34:14]: To the east, you've got high principal relevant. [0:34:14, 0:34:23]: Also to me she got medium density vertical issues and medium density. Here's an aerial photo of the OR flight. [0:34:23, 0:34:25]: Yeah, this is all my problem. [0:34:25, 0:34:45]: substant property wooded wooded lots, three wooded lots that have a couple of vacant structures on. Here's the density range for the surrounding properties. We got Wool Spring Subdivision, it has a density rate of 11.66 inches break. You got Glenn Addict, it has a [0:34:45, 0:35:05]: Density rate of 5.15 in this rate. We got the proposed mix Green Street, two mixes a double. It would have a density rate of 4.83. North Bridge Crossing 4.83. Davidson Landing, 3.64, Alpha City, 2.45. As you can see, the proposed development is consistent with this grinding land. [0:35:05, 0:35:06]: Right. [0:35:06, 0:35:07]: Yeah. [0:35:08, 0:35:10]: The side plan. [0:35:11, 0:35:17]: by our site plan from the previous uh uh project would be the the development phases. [0:35:21, 0:35:29]: Uh staff analysis, the whole development is consistent with the land use plan and the system of the UVC. So staff represent the pool. [0:35:31, 0:35:32]: Course. [0:35:32, 0:35:44]: Yeah, thanks a lot. Appreciate it, Mr. Ryan. Council, kind of questions, uh concerns you may have before we eventually open up for a public hearing. Thomas. Mr. Thomas, do you have any questions, concerns? [0:35:45, 0:35:45]: Okay. [0:35:50, 0:36:00]: I have had the opportunity to uh meet with the developers and I've and and Mr. Anderson as well and pretty much uh exhausted. [0:36:01, 0:36:02]: All of the questions. [0:36:02, 0:36:05]: Um, that I may have. [0:36:05, 0:36:25]: Uh but in the process of the presentation, um that may be something that that may come up once the developers uh do present. So that may be something that may come up later. Okay. But thank you. No problem. You you have some Mr. Blount? No, I'm I may have some later. Okay. [0:36:25, 0:36:45]: Yeah, let me ask you a question. Now this parcel was already previously zoned by Henry County, right? Yes, sir, zoned meetings and came over to the city uh during the last annexation during the reference. So when it comes over um we can assign an assembly. [0:36:45, 0:37:00]: So rezoning basically transfers P to D from MVP. So it's not it's not a traditional rezoning space. When we get to the rezoning for our just approving their uh regulated by their development. [0:37:00, 0:37:20]: Right. So what what I want folks to understand and make sure before we even get started here is this project was previously approved uh under Henry County with uh a DRI that went through the state and they went through some uh a lot of uh groundwork, traffic study, a lot of groundwork went into this. [0:37:20, 0:37:40]: And the one thing I think, you know, uh is that originally this development included about 1,600 home uh properties, correct? Yes, sir. So the development that was already approved through Henry County had sixteen hundred uh some odd units. [0:37:40, 0:38:00]: To go on this particular site. And uh with it coming into the city, that number has been reduced tremendously if this is approved. But if it is not approved, then that 1600 stands and will be in place for what they've already done. Is that is that correct? And I do understand from looking [0:38:00, 0:38:11]: looking at the original plan is that there was some warehousing that was included in addition to the uh 1600 homes that was on the property. [0:38:13, 0:38:33]: Now we this council actually knows what happened to us on Candler Road when we had a property that was already zoned uh for warehousing that never came to this council for consideration at all. So what he's telling us or what uh we have discovered and reviewing the original plan was that [0:38:33, 0:38:53]: A developer today with the development that is already before us, should we not change this zoning, that they would be able to include warehousing along there and build, I think it's multiple warehouses that were included in this plan that is already approved. So what would happen here? [0:38:53, 0:39:13]: Here is that if we approved it, the new development that would come into the city doesn't contain any warehousing. Is that correct? Yes, yes, yes. Okay, so knowing what happened to us on Candler Road and understanding that that could potentially happen here in the future, that was that was important. I think that was an important part that needed to be examined. [0:39:14, 0:39:17]: Absolutely. Thank you. Uh any other comments from the council at all? [0:39:19, 0:39:23]: Okay, the the developers here. I'm sorry, go right up, please. [0:39:23, 0:39:35]: Um, I wanted to ask if you could explain a little further regarding impact fees. Is this the item or should I wait until the next item? [0:39:35, 0:39:36]: Thank you. [0:39:38, 0:39:40]: Okay, you do it. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. Yeah. [0:39:41, 0:39:47]: Um I was looking for my uh um paper that I had something on. The um [0:39:48, 0:39:51]: I don't know if I need to ask you or wait till they come and present. [0:39:53, 0:40:13]: Because the original site plan for this project included a larger commercial piece, uh included a um even a hotel. It included so much more that would bring to the city other than residential that are not that is not [0:40:13, 0:40:23]: prevalent now with the site now. But the original site plan included so much uh more when it was brought and presented to the county. [0:40:23, 0:40:40]: That's correct. Uh Councilman Lunford, it also contains more land. It contained like eighty more eighty six more acres of land that's a that's zone uh commercial that is not included in this in this current uh so in that in that property. [0:40:42, 0:41:02]: No, I under I understand that uh since we're putting up information out there, that with this development, the original site plan included so much more that would have been beneficial to the city when it comes to mixed-use businesses and uh shops, and it comes to uh [0:41:02, 0:41:09]: a hotel and came to a lot other than uh just this residential piece. [0:41:15, 0:41:24]: And and that's fine. I'm and I and I I would appreciate if they could sp explain why, but I'm saying that that this is a totally separate [0:41:25, 0:41:30]: Site plan from what was originally spoken about pertaining to this development. [0:41:30, 0:41:30]: [2492.3, 2512.3]: Mr. Thomas, go ahead, sir. Uh Councilman Blount, you are correct and excuse me. Uh that was one of my uh original concerns going back to the uh original meeting, but um at the um Zoom meeting with the developers. [0:41:52, 0:42:04]: Uh the question was was proposed again and and there's an answer and I won't attempt to uh speak for the developers, but um [0:42:05, 0:42:10]: I was somewhat satisfied with that answer, but um [0:42:11, 0:42:31]: Holding back on a couple of my questions, when they do come to present, I would like to uh for them to explain a little deeper and I'm sure they will because I was satisfied with the answer that that you all provided uh during that meeting. But I I wanted to start to get back in that again, but uh Councilman Blount, you are correct and that was [0:42:31, 0:42:31]: Yeah. [0:42:32, 0:42:45]: one of my concerns and I think that's the concern of most of the council here, but we'll be able to uh get into that dialogue once y'all come and and present. But that is a a concern, but the answer that was given [0:42:46, 0:42:48]: Um I I understood it. [0:42:48, 0:42:55]: I wasn't quite satisfied with the answer, but I did understand the answer. So thank you. Yes, we'll and that will be discussed during the rezoning. [0:42:56, 0:43:02]: Yes. Okay. Uh Mayor. Yes, sir. Let me just let me let me clarify something with me. [0:43:03, 0:43:06]: Because when there's meat in this hat, I I don't do [0:43:06, 0:43:15]: meeting with developers unless I have other council members available. So we all can hear the same thing and there won't be mis any misinterpretations of what was said. [0:43:16, 0:43:17]: So I was in [0:43:18, 0:43:20]: When I was told about this last Zoom meeting. [0:43:21, 0:43:25]: I had less than twenty four hours to prepare for it. I was at a concert when I was told it was gonna happen, so [0:43:26, 0:43:27]: Less than twenty four hours out. [0:43:28, 0:43:33]: you know, I'm I'm saying there's gonna be a meeting and so I don't operate like that. [0:43:34, 0:43:39]: But let me clarify for me, when it comes to the city of Stockbridge, when we talk about [0:43:39, 0:43:41]: Our large developments. [0:43:42, 0:43:45]: And especially when they first started the development. [0:43:46, 0:43:48]: We want to see. [0:43:48, 0:43:55]: Not just a residential piece. We wanna see that when you have such a large development, we wanna see that commercial piece. [0:43:55, 0:43:58]: We want to see that whole tail w whatever happened, happened. [0:43:59, 0:44:03]: But when you talk about such a large development coming into a community, [0:44:03, 0:44:08]: Those communities have to be provided services. And one of the things that this community was gonna do [0:44:09, 0:44:11]: On the original site plan. [0:44:11, 0:44:12]: was gonna provide [0:44:12, 0:44:15]: А ревеню ти сити. [0:44:16, 0:44:26]: that would offset quite a quite a bit of services that will be provided. This this that was my concern. So whatever reason it didn't go through or whatever reason it failed through, [0:44:27, 0:44:30]: This is a separate site plan from the original site plan. [0:44:33, 0:44:53]: All right. Any other comments from the council? Yeah, I'll just say this that um I was included in that Zoom meeting. So it was more than Councilman Thomas that was included. Uh he did tell me he invited you, Mr. Blount, but uh you were unable to make it. So uh Ms. Alexander, don't make a statement unless you know the facts. Okay. That was never a time when I say [0:44:53, 0:44:59]: said I wasn't unable to make it. I'm just want to clarify. Okay. It was told to me I was told about a Zoom meeting. [0:45:00, 0:45:05]: Uh the night of a concert that a that a zoom meeting was gonna be in that mor that morning. [0:45:06, 0:45:26]: I don't operate like that. Right. You didn't know. So I I'll just say I didn't know about it. Okay before that. You finished with the comments, sir. You you good? Yeah, I just want to make sure. Ms. Gantt go ahead, please. [0:45:26, 0:45:33]: Tell me a little bit about the county zoning ordinance with that. Did it prohibit industrial on that property? [0:45:34, 0:45:35]: Mm-mm. [0:45:35, 0:45:37]: [2738.2, 2739.8]: If you're looking at the um [0:45:43, 0:45:44]: You look at the conditions. [0:45:44, 0:45:45]: Mm-hmm. [0:45:45, 0:45:47]: I think it um [0:45:48, 0:45:49]: Okay. [0:45:50, 0:45:53]: Yeah, I just thought yeah, I think it did mention [0:45:54, 0:45:59]: But the county zoning conditions prohibited industrial development on that property, correct? Yes. [0:46:00, 0:46:17]: Are we prohibiting industrial on that property? It's not it's not being proposed. Right. It's residential at this point, right? Yes, and it's So why did they uh um with Councilman Blount on this, what was the reasoning for the decrease in commercial piece of the property? [0:46:17, 0:46:33]: besides you know the the size of that. The the commercial piece is it's the uh eight is the is eighty acres north of of the s of the subject property and it's still there and it'll still be zone commercial. So the develop they [0:46:34, 0:46:39]: The the the current developer they inquired on purchasing the the land, but the developer would not sell it. [0:46:41, 0:46:54]: But we have a requirement now with properties that are being built, multifamily properties and the amount of commercial that we require. Is that not correct? I didn't hear you counsel. Don't we have a requirement for multifamily dwellings such as this? [0:46:55, 0:46:55]: Um [0:46:56, 0:47:00]: For the amount of commercial that needs to be on a particular piece of property. [0:47:00, 0:47:20]: Uh no ma'am. No ma'am. We don't have a requ I mean in a mixed use in a PUD, uh see they're qu they qualify for a PUD because they have they have two different types of housing. You qualify for a PUD that way, or you can qualify with two different land uses. So they got different variets variations of densities. [0:47:20, 0:47:28]: of different types of home. They have cottages, multifamily and single family. So when you have three two or more different types of housing, you qualify for a PUD as well. [0:47:28, 0:47:30]: All right, and [0:47:30, 0:47:34]: In regards to the commercial pieces, how many are there? [0:47:34, 0:47:39]: Um they have they have currently like forty thousand square feet of commercial. [0:47:40, 0:47:48]: It was mentioned maybe a bicycle shop or ice cream shop. Is that what we're hearing here? Well, yeah, as far as retail, that's all they're providing right now. [0:47:49, 0:47:51]: Okay. No further questions. [0:47:53, 0:47:54]: All right, no further questions. [0:47:55, 0:48:07]: All right. So for now, before we go to public hearing, uh the voter wanna come forward and ask any uh answer any questions that uh maybe posed as far as fits this particular comprehensive this presentation. [0:48:07, 0:48:09]: Yes, sir. Okay. There we go. [0:48:27, 0:48:30]: Oops. Sorry folks, give me one second. Help me. [0:48:36, 0:48:56]: I'm the least qualified person in the room to be dealing with technology here, I'll tell you that. Uh good evening, everybody. My name's Den Webb. Uh my address is eleven oh five West Peace Street, Atlanta, Georgia, three oh three oh nine, here on behalf of Vista Residential. Before I begin, let me introduce a couple folks here with me. We've got Michael Nayhart and Chase Beasley from Vista. [0:48:56, 0:49:16]: Uh and to Chase's left, we've got Daniel Hawker, who is a civil engineer with a company called Planners and Engineers Collaborative. And those three fellows are here ready, willing to take your questions if necessary. Let me touch on a couple things that I'll get into a little bit more detail uh in the morning, uh in the minute, in a minute. There was a commercial component to the Henry County piece, but it was divided. [0:49:16, 0:49:35]: So the commercial piece was on the northern side where Stockbridge Road is, where Davidson Parkway is, where the highway is, where the commercial and more intensity uh make sense. Our piece was always a residential piece. And as we've talked about in some of the meetings, and I think as some of the developers we've reached out to have said, we think that our development will spur. [0:49:36, 0:49:56]: Someone to do something with the commercial piece. That's where it ought to go. Our our site is really not a commercial property. In terms of commercial and office on this uh as part of our proposal, we've got about 5,000 square feet of retail proposed on Flip In and 40,000 square feet of office inside the development. So we've got about 45,000 of non-residential space, and we've got senior living, which is not traditional. [0:49:56, 0:50:00]: But I'll I'll cover all that a little bit more in a minute. [0:50:01, 0:50:10]: So let me start with my slides. Uh you can see our site here is outlined in yellow. This is the 278 some odd acres that uh Ryan was talking about. [0:50:11, 0:50:11]: Um [0:50:12, 0:50:30]: Our property was annexed into the city of Stockbridge in June of 2003. This piece to the north that you see in cross-hatched is about 80 acres, and it is not part of our proposal. Someone else owns that property, and actually as part of this process, we reached out to them as Mr. Anderson just said and said, hey, can we buy that piece too? And they said no. [0:50:31, 0:50:39]: So that is not part of our application, but it's part of the Henry County story that you guys have just heard a little bit about. So back in 2019. [0:50:40, 0:50:41]: Henry County. [0:50:42, 0:50:43]: Approved this plan. [0:50:43, 0:51:03]: So our site is here, the 80 acres I was referring to to the north is here. This was a large mixed-use development, and it was basically divided into two components. The commercial piece was here on the 80 acres you see cross-hatched, and the residential piece was predominantly here on our site to the south. And as you heard, this was uh went through a pretty extensive process of. [0:51:03, 0:51:14]: review, including a DRI review by the state, uh, that resulted uh ultimately in uh a rezoning by uh Henry County to the MU district. [0:51:15, 0:51:35]: This is our development. As I mentioned, it is effectively the residential component of what was approved by Henry County. It's similar to what Henry County approved, but less intense in several ways. First of all, we put a big emphasis on green space. You'll notice a lot of green on this site plan. We've got 71.23 acres of 25% of the site. [0:51:35, 0:51:55]: We've preserved as green space. And part of that allows us to extend the Rees Creek Trail from the east side of Flippin through our site, come around and come out in the southeast corner. Now we've heard that there is a hope to build a pedestrian bridge in the area of Walt Stevens across 75. And if that takes place, the folks will be able to take that Rees Creek Trail through our property and [0:51:55, 0:51:57]: So [0:51:57, 0:52:04]: Uh that actually was not part of our original proposal. It was a request to extend the trail through our site and and we've been able to accommodate that. [0:52:05, 0:52:21]: The other way we're different than the previous proposal is something someone touched on earlier. We've got about 20% fewer units. So Henry County approved 1,650 roughly residential units for the property. We're proposing 1,347 in total, which is about 300 less. [0:52:22, 0:52:32]: And that is a mixture of multifamily townhomes, senior living, and single family detached. And we've been very intentional about the orientation of this property. The multi-family is here in the middle. [0:52:32, 0:52:40]: We've got single-family detached along the northern boundary. We've got townhomes here in the southeast corner where the property abuts uh the interstate. [0:52:41, 0:52:44]: And the senior living and office component is here to the south. [0:52:44, 0:52:52]: And the uh commercial uh retail spot is here on Flippin' Road uh uh itself. Now again. [0:52:55, 0:53:02]: The idea is that we are going to put single family detached next to single family detached on the north side. We're going to provide a buffer on the [0:53:03, 0:53:07]: Есенчили the east side of the highway between the single family detach is already there with some town homes. [0:53:08, 0:53:08]: Um [0:53:09, 0:53:15]: You know, we've got senior living again on the on the southern boundary, which we think is a better transition to what is to our south. [0:53:15, 0:53:35]: And this retail pot here is designed to tie into the Reeves Creek Trail across the street. We've actually created a parking lot, which we hope will serve as a sort of a trailhead, and some smaller commercial uses that folks can stop at uh as they're enjoying the trail and you know, get a bite, you know, do a couple different things. But this this piece right here really [0:53:35, 0:53:45]: requires the development of the remainder of the site. We've got to create a little bit of density and intensity to energize that location so it will come uh as the development progresses. [0:53:46, 0:53:56]: One thing that we did that I find most interesting is if you look here in the northwest corner of our site, you'll see a little driveway that comes out of the back of drive time. [0:53:56, 0:54:13]: And extends around to this eighty acres to the north we've been talking about. This is not something anyone's asked us to do. It's not not something we're we're required to do, but when we were talking about this project early on and looking at sort of the layout of the area and and opportunities, we thought that doesn't make sense that resident uh that industrial is basically going through in a a residential area. [0:54:14, 0:54:29]: And we realized we had an opportunity to cart create a backway for those industrial users, the employees, the trucks, whatever, to come out of their site, to come up through this 80 acres that will ultimately be commercial, uh up to Davidson Parkway in that area. So we've actually added that just [0:54:30, 0:54:33]: For no reason other than the fact that it makes sense here in the northwest corner. [0:54:34, 0:54:37]: This development's gonna be phase. So [0:54:37, 0:54:47]: The multifamily here you see identified as pod A will be part of phase one, but so will the northern single family detached here to our north. Those will kind of go together as a phase one. [0:54:48, 0:54:50]: Uh and then uh [0:54:50, 0:55:08]: The transitions to p to pod C here and pod D, and ultimately pod E, as I mentioned, is sort of a floating phase, right? Once it makes sense, once there's enough intensity uh on the ground, uh that development will come into play. I've got some examples of uh can you can you hold up a second? [0:55:08, 0:55:18]: I I I I was gonna get to that, sir. But go ahead, Mr. Blount. Can you roll back to the force what control do this project have with the eighty acres to to make that statement? [0:55:20, 0:55:26]: All we have so if this is hard to see because it's kind of small. Let me see if I can make this bigger. We don't control the eight acres. [0:55:27, 0:55:28]: But you do. [0:55:29, 0:55:40]: And what we what we do control is the back side of the day of the drivetime parking lot. So you see the parking lot here. This is our property just to the south of it. So we have [0:55:40, 0:55:42]: Essentially dedicated. [0:55:43, 0:55:50]: area, an easement area, land area for right away to to be put in and to come up through uh you know the eighty acres once it's developed. [0:55:51, 0:55:53]: So we do control this little corner here. [0:55:54, 0:56:14]: uh that uh comes out of the back of drivetime and I haven't gotten to this yet, but you see this area in yellow, we're dedicating that to the city of Stockbridge. So you'll be controlling that piece to our 33 acres here to the south, with the idea being that once the 80 acres to the north is developed as commercial, the city has the opportunity to extend that commercial down. [0:56:14, 0:56:25]: along the highway to make it a park space, to do whatever it wants or or whatever makes sense at that time. My understanding, but you have you also have wetlands in this area. So yeah, there's so there is so [0:56:25, 0:56:27]: But I'm saying a lot of this area is not buildable anyway. [0:56:28, 0:56:33]: Uh y that's correct, but a l but there is buildable area there. Yeah, but I'm saying but to show [0:56:33, 0:56:36]: But my concern is you're saying something about this [0:56:37, 0:56:43]: that what the city could do and you're talking and you're inclusive with this eighty acres, but there's no right that you have [0:56:43, 0:56:47]: uh in control of what happens with that eighty acres. [0:56:47, 0:57:00]: That's true, but as r as Mr. Anderson mentioned, the site zone commercial now, the eighty acres to our north, and I believe the comp plan designation is for commercial. So you've got the control, right? So you can manage the way that eighty acres to the north is developed. [0:57:01, 0:57:05]: And I think it's the area that makes sense for the commercial development because you've got [0:57:05, 0:57:10]: The main roads, uh, you know, and and the best access there. So I don't control it, no. [0:57:11, 0:57:18]: Has anything come through s Henry Counter of anybody pertaining to that prop that eighty acres for development? [0:57:20, 0:57:32]: So when you build this right here, it could be twenty, thirty years down the line, that what you're saying, and the whatever problems that has been created or is created. [0:57:33, 0:57:34]: It would not be [0:57:35, 0:57:35]: Lesson. [0:57:36, 0:57:42]: Because you have no control of what's gonna happen with eighty acres unless something is submitted to [0:57:42, 0:57:44]: to the d due development there. [0:57:45, 0:57:48]: That's true, but I think I think maybe I didn't wasn't clear on something. [0:57:49, 0:57:53]: Our folks are not coming out that back door, okay? That that back door access is for. [0:57:54, 0:58:00]: The industrial users at drive time. Our access is off a flippin on three points. So you'll see an access point here. [0:58:00, 0:58:05]: An access point here and an access point here. Our residents are not coming out that back way. [0:58:05, 0:58:06]: No you the the [0:58:07, 0:58:22]: You're looking you're gonna be looking at about with this site that you have, if you have the numbers that I have seen, if that still stands, you're gonna have about twenty six hundred cars that are gonna be coming out of two exits on flipping road that has yet to be yeah. So that's that's the site that I've seen. [0:58:24, 0:58:30]: Okay. Yeah, that so that's true. Uh the the access points for our development are on flipping. [0:58:31, 0:58:34]: The only point that I'm making here is and and again it's not something that's gonna get built today. [0:58:35, 0:58:42]: But there's no other way for those folks to get off the drive time property other than cutting through those residential areas now. [0:58:43, 0:59:03]: We at least have an opportunity and we've carved out a space for an alternate. Now it does require some other puzzle pieces to come into to fall into place. And one of them is the development of that eight acres to the north. But you know, someone owns that property, presumably something's going to happen with it. You can control what happens there with your comprehensive plan and the fact that, as Ryan says, it's already zoned commercial. [0:59:03, 0:59:05]: wanna do something different, they gotta come back in and ask you for per for permission. [0:59:07, 0:59:21]: Okay, but there's nothing here today's gonna resolve the drive time situation. I'm just Well, we've taken the first step to resolve the drive time situation, which is create an area for a driveway to be created to connect to the eighty strict eighty acres to the north. So I can't solve it today. [0:59:21, 0:59:25]: But it it everything starts with the first step and that's the first step. Gotcha. [0:59:26, 0:59:27]: Go ahead, Mr. Thomas. [0:59:28, 0:59:42]: Yes, it it is all also my understanding that when we discussed this earlier, uh, about the eighty eight acres and what I was somewhat impressed with was the fact that [0:59:43, 0:59:55]: the way this was going to be built uh in phases, uh what was gonna come phase one, phase two, and over a period of time. And I do understand how [0:59:55, 0:59:56]: Um [0:59:56, 1:00:00]: This development could possibly spur [1:00:01, 1:00:07]: that because one of the questions I asked about the commercial piece and and I know Mr. Beezy probably [1:00:09, 1:00:11]: Mr. Bees will probably get into some of this later. [1:00:12, 1:00:14]: about the attempt that was made [1:00:15, 1:00:24]: to uh bring that commercial forward. And I do understand that once the construction gets started on the phase one, phase two, [1:00:25, 1:00:27]: I believe at this time then [1:00:27, 1:00:32]: that we'll begin to spur. And also in our discussion we talked about [1:00:32, 1:00:33]: Um [1:00:33, 1:00:35]: What we call it um [1:00:36, 1:00:44]: A tip, if you will, that will uh lead into uh the other side into the Davidson side where [1:00:44, 1:01:04]: It would be easier for that commercial to be developed uh on that end. Um and I was gonna sort of ask some of these questions to you or Mr. Beesley, and plus I had some other issues that I may wanna speak, but but I just wanna sort of just mention that part about that because we did in length talk about [1:01:04, 1:01:14]: about the eight eight acres and how we were concerned about uh commercials and you saw to explain, you know, that and hopefully um [1:01:15, 1:01:16]: Potentially [1:01:16, 1:01:22]: Um as the other phases are being built and before the total [1:01:22, 1:01:41]: complex is completed that some of those other uh developers will see the potential and actually come in even before the total project is developed. That that's exactly how this works, right? People want to see investment in an area, right? They want to see intensity and they want to they want to see that somebody is confident in [1:01:42, 1:01:43]: Путіндер Монні райір. [1:01:44, 1:01:51]: And you'll be surprised, right? Development begets development. When this thing comes in, other people are gonna start looking around. This residential is a big player. [1:01:51, 1:01:59]: Hey, they know something we don't know, right? It's it's what's going on down there. We need to get in. They're gonna have, you know, thirteen hundred and fifty residential units here. There's an opportunity. [1:01:59, 1:02:07]: That's exactly how this works and I I I I really do believe because of the location of this eighty acres and because of what's happening to the south, um, you know [1:02:08, 1:02:19]: People are gonna are gonna take notice and something's gonna happen there. Just so you know, you know, it came up in in the different meetings about what, you know, what about commercial on our on a little bit more commercial on your site. [1:02:19, 1:02:39]: And we explain certainly our philosophy, which is this is a you know it's it's it's a mid-block piece of property on a residential street with really bad topo and and and a lot of water. Uh I think I have an image here that shows you how much of this property is actually encumbered by you know buffers and floodplains and whatnot. Well here it's here, of course uh [1:02:39, 1:02:41]: It's tiny. Let's see if I can make that bigger. [1:02:45, 1:02:46]: See [1:02:49, 1:03:09]: Well, it's this map, which is hard to read here because of the size, but you can see all that blue is a buffer or stream or something that really bisects the middle of our site. It covers all of our flipping road frontage and really makes, you know, access to the site, any kind of visibility from the property difficult. This map here, which is part of our package. [1:03:09, 1:03:12]: Which again is hard to read if I knew how to blew it up uh [1:03:13, 1:03:16]: Can can you make this these images a little bit bigger? [1:03:17, 1:03:20]: Uh Mayor, I have a question too. One second. Uh [1:03:21, 1:03:22]: Let's try this. [1:03:24, 1:03:25]: Yes. [1:03:31, 1:03:33]: I'm gonna I'm trying to talk about these two or [1:03:51, 1:03:52]: Right. [1:03:55, 1:03:56]: Bit pain. [1:03:57, 1:03:58]: Try this. [1:03:59, 1:04:01]: Try this one here if that doesn't. [1:04:04, 1:04:06]: You got it. I think I can avoid this thing. [1:04:06, 1:04:12]: I told you I was the least technological bottom. I stand by that statement. [1:04:14, 1:04:34]: Okay, perfect. Yeah. So so this is the the the map that used to be tiny that I was referring to to you that shows all the the issues with this site. I mean the the biggest issue for commer for commercial is here along Flippin' Road. Commercial is all about access and visibility, right? We've got because of a stream and a stream buffer, virtually no building. [1:04:34, 1:04:38]: Buildable area on Flip Road, except for this little island that we created here. [1:04:38, 1:04:45]: Uh uh because of these buffers and whatnot. We've also put together a cross-section here that shows the topography. [1:04:46, 1:05:06]: The only other opportunity for commercial would be here in the southeast corner, but you can see Flippin' Road is about 80 feet below that corner. And again, commercial is all about access and visibility. And we took this to market. We took it to five of really sort of pre-eminent mixed-use developers in town: Jamestown, who did Pont City Market, WG WDG. [1:05:05, 1:05:25]: partners Ardent, CBRE and Ackerman, and said, look, what do you think about some type of commercial on this on our site, our 278 acres? What do you think about some kind of hotel there? And they said, no way. Access, visibility, all these things that we've been talking about. But they did say, hey, that 80 acres to the north looks pretty good. You know, once you're in, we think something could happen there. [1:05:26, 1:05:29]: So it's something we've talked about, you know uh [1:05:32, 1:05:52]: You have a comp plan to guide long-term vision, right? And and you've got that in place for the eighty acres to the north. Once this is here, you've got the control. Either somebody comes in and develops develops it as zoned or under the existing comp plan, which would direct it to commercial space, or they come here and try to do something different. And if you don't like it, you have the ability to say no. So [1:05:52, 1:05:53]: Um, [1:05:53, 1:05:55]: Again I [1:05:55, 1:06:07]: Nobody knows for sure, but this is the type of the development that developers who would do a larger commercial center to the north at the corner of Maine and Maine would look for. It's really that simple. Okay, stand by. Mr. Alexander, you have a question, sir? [1:06:07, 1:06:17]: Yeah, this is uh the I think um Councilman Thomas really asked a bunch of excellent questions. So I'm glad some of the information was readily available. Ryan, can you come back to the podium? [1:06:23, 1:06:43]: And I think I asked this question as well, and he blanched it out really well, which is the eighty acres is still there. This is the title and totality of the development that Henry County approved. The 80 acres is where the commercial partial was going to be. So the hotels and the commercial all [1:06:43, 1:07:03]: Potentially still there. That did not change, correct? No, it could still potentially go there, yes. Right. So basically what they did was they approved this project with that commercial component so it would be along the interstate so that it would have a high visibility, like you see developments uh which occur uh on that side on the [1:07:03, 1:07:23]: That uh on that side. So what really I asked this question, and I'm drilled, wanted to make sure that I completely understand is that section is still zoned. That we will not be changing that zoning that Henry County had in place for that particular parcel. So all the hotels and all that commercial development will still be slated to be there. [1:07:23, 1:07:43]: There. What we would be doing would be changing the 1600 houses down to 1300. So it would reduce those units by 1300 in that particular area. So that is the main difference that we need to clearly understand. And as I said before, there was industrial, there was warehouses. [1:07:43, 1:07:45]: housing uses that was on this site, correct? [1:07:49, 1:08:09]: I'm thinking there was, but I know in the in the um we weren't that under that impression originally, but when I went through the um through the zoning conditions, they did have a condition in there that uh no industrial development. Right, no industrial, but warehouses still could be storage, right? Yes, yes. So and that's what we ran into the situation. [1:08:09, 1:08:29]: Over on Candler Road, which is a certain situation, which is even though they're not is not intense, it could be light manufacturing or it could be storage. Yes. So many warehouses. Right. It still could be a warehouse. So that was my main concern after what happened to us uh over uh on the flipping road side. To understand [1:08:29, 1:08:49]: The control that the city has of this particular parcel is to understand anybody that develops that 80 acres to the north, we can require them to, and that's why it's so important that whoever, whether this development or the next development is passed, that this access that's coming out of back of back out of the [1:08:49, 1:09:04]: the bottom of drive time is included in any development because when that next one is developed, they would we can require them to have that to connect to that access to take everybody to Davidson Road. We can require that. [1:09:04, 1:09:24]: And that's where we have the control to be able to do that. But if any development is approved on this site without that, then no one will ever be able to get those cars off of the road, those trucks off of out of Davidson uh out of the subdiv out of the north out of North Bridge Crossing. So it's extremely important. [1:09:24, 1:09:44]: Then that parcel be included. And you're building that at your expense, correct? That would be part of what you would be doing at your expense. You would be building that out right there. So again, the point I want to really make is we're only we if we did approve it, which we still gotta talk about, is you're not changing. [1:09:44, 1:10:00]: the commercial component at all, really. What you're doing is the eighty acres to the north, you wouldn't want to put a hotel on Flippin' Row anyway. You wouldn't. Because of the situation that we're there and uh we know what flipping flippin' road looks like. So that's the point that I wanted to make. [1:10:01, 1:10:04]: All right. Uh no other questions. Go ahead, sir, and continue on. [1:10:06, 1:10:25]: I was just looking at what was approved for that north side before, and there were actually three hotels, fourteen offices and three hundred thousand square feet of retail, none of which would make sense on Flippin' Road. I mean it's just that simple. But it does make sense on the eighty acres to the north. And again, I I think I've underplayed this a little bit, but this area in yellow, which is thirty three acres, you guys will own. [1:10:25, 1:10:37]: So you can tie into what's happening to the north if you want to. You could, you know, extend some commercial down and uh to the west of our site. You could make it a park. I mean with a heavy commercial to the north and a larger mix [1:10:37, 1:10:43]: residential site to the south. I mean a a thirty three acre park with roadway access might be a great thing, but [1:10:43, 1:10:54]: Whatever happens, you guys control it because we're you're we're giving it to you. You control that and I think that ties into what's happening to the north. Let me t touch on a question on the thirty-three acres. Yes, sir. [1:10:54, 1:10:59]: Can you put uh pull the other slide up to show the uh wetland por portion? No, the one up below. [1:11:00, 1:11:02]: Yeah, I may need somebody to help me make it big again. [1:11:06, 1:11:06]: Let's see. [1:11:07, 1:11:13]: Well here it is, but yeah, can you click on that? I don't know what he did before, but let me [1:11:39, 1:11:39]: There you go. [1:11:40, 1:11:45]: The thirty three acres, that in blue is wetland. Is that correct? [1:11:45, 1:11:49]: My understanding is that blue could either be wetland or buffer. [1:11:51, 1:11:51]: But [1:11:54, 1:12:00]: I've taught in that area, when you say thirty three acres, you're not talking thirty three acres buildable. [1:12:01, 1:12:09]: In order for that to be buildable, we have to go to Corps of Engineers and and since you have continual wetland that goes through that property. [1:12:09, 1:12:11]: It's not gonna be disturbed. [1:12:11, 1:12:25]: Well, you you can put a road through there, number one. And this area in white is buildable area. There is definitely buildable area there. Yeah, the the the area in white is. But you continue to keep saying thirty three acres, but it's not a true thirty three acres that we're we're gonna be able to build on. [1:12:25, 1:12:45]: Well, I I'm not I'm saying we're giving you thirty three acres. It's not all buildable, but some of it is. Do you wanna speak to that? Uh Daniel Hawker, uh three nine one six Whitney Park Drive, Duluth. I'm the civil engineer for the project that area in white is approximately twelve acres of buildable area, and then the rest is as he said, wetlands, floodplain, areas that would require a core permit here. [1:12:45, 1:12:46]: [4367.1, 4373.8]: But you can put a road, you can put a bridge through it to connect to the north with I think with no uh permitting. [1:12:54, 1:13:05]: Just because it's floodplain, you can still use it as green space park recreational areas. That doesn't mean that it's not usable for other uses. You can you can you can build [1:13:05, 1:13:08]: That type and I agree with that. Yes. [1:13:08, 1:13:12]: But you can't start putting black top on there for runoff because it is wetland. [1:13:13, 1:13:18]: That's what I'm trying to say. So you don't have a true thirty three acres. You got twelve acres that's built. [1:13:19, 1:13:19]: Oh. [1:13:20, 1:13:40]: For the city. Fair enough. And I'm I'm not trying to hide that point. We're giving you thirty three w first of all, by the way, we we had not originally intended to dedicate that thirty acres to the city. We the thirty-three acres was part of our plan. It was gonna be open space on our property. And as a result of conversations and frankly, thinking more about the 80 acres to the north and what could happen there and how the city could have a little more control. [1:13:39, 1:13:47]: Control over it, that's where we came up with the idea of dedicating it to you. But if you go back to the original application, that dedication wasn't part of it. That came up later. [1:13:49, 1:13:54]: Uh I was gonna touch on a few of the things we're doing on Flippin' Road if you wanna hear them. Go right ahead, please. Uh [1:13:55, 1:13:56]: I gotta get back to my [1:13:59, 1:14:06]: So there are uh as you guys have heard a couple times tonight, let me get back to where I was, sorry. [1:14:08, 1:14:09]: Mm. [1:14:17, 1:14:23]: Well, it's not showing up on here, but we we've got three access points. Oh here we go. [1:14:23, 1:14:43]: It's loading slowly. Three access points on Flip and Road. The one to the south will be signalized. Okay? And we're creating a left-hand turn lane on Flip and Road to get into the property. All of our access points will have right turn lanes in. So folks coming into the property will get out of the travel lane and not impact the you know the straight flow to get into our [1:14:43, 1:14:44]: I [1:14:45, 1:15:03]: Uh this driveway to the north lines up with the roadway across the street. And the idea here is, you know, if traffic is backed up, if people have to wait, they're gonna be backing up on our site, right? They're not the the entire goal of what we've done, the the entire goal of what Greta required us to do as part of the uh the DRI was to [1:15:03, 1:15:07]: certainly minimize and mitigate the impact of on flipping road. [1:15:07, 1:15:09]: We're also adding a ten foot sidewalk on Flippin. [1:15:10, 1:15:23]: And we had the ability to expand the sidewalk along our spine road to ten feet too. We sh we filed it as five feet, but we can put we we've verified that we can actually make that sidewalk internal to our site the extra wide sidewalk as well. [1:15:23, 1:15:29]: I think a point that we've glossed over a little bit that is critically important to me is the senior housing component here. [1:15:29, 1:15:45]: You know, that is uh an incredibly important amenity for any city or any community really. Uh you know, I suspect that as most jurisdictions, there is not an appropriate amount of senior housing, particularly newer buildings. So we certainly think that's a benefit of this site as well. [1:15:46, 1:15:47]: Um [1:15:52, 1:15:58]: I was gonna touch on the zoning piece a little bit because I think this came up in in Mr. Anderson's presentation. [1:15:58, 1:16:10]: I mentioned that we were annexed into the city in January of twenty twenty-three. We actually came in unzoned. We didn't have any zoning district at all. Uh in May, the city gave us the PUD zoning. So we already have that zoning on the property. [1:16:10, 1:16:14]: And as you heard, and I think as uh Mister Alexander mentioned, um [1:16:14, 1:16:34]: Yeah, what we really need is a regulating plan. The PUD ordinance requires a regulating plan, so we have the zoning we need. What we're really trying to do is get a development plan approved, as well as the comp plan amendment. Um you know, we've spent uh I think we filed this thing over a year ago. We filed it in early June. We've worked incredibly with staff. [1:16:34, 1:16:54]: On this and thank you for your uh help. I mean they were with us side by side through the DRI process, which we had to go back through. Uh we spent a lot of time with them and appreciate their guidance. Um, you know, as you heard, they're recommending approval subject to some conditions. We've been through those and we agree with all the conditions. So there's no dispute there between us either. So uh [1:16:54, 1:17:14]: Um we also went to the Planning Commission uh about two months ago and got their recommendation approval as well. So, you know, there's this is a big development. Uh it was obviously uh focused on Henry County in the beginning. I think it's a better development in Stockbridge for a lot of reasons. You know, there are pieces to this development that weren't there back in 2019. You know, I [1:17:14, 1:17:34]: There are some questions as to whether or not that Henry County development was just too dense, right? I mean, it it didn't show 70 some odd acres of green space going through the middle of the site. It didn't show an expens extension of the Reese Creek Trail. It really didn't focus on the livability elements that I think we focused on here. So I I think because of the work everybody's done on this and the advice we've gotten from all [1:17:34, 1:17:53]: lot of different stakeholders this is a better project. So we hope it's ready to move forward tonight and I'll answer any more questions you've got. All right. If there are any more questions, counsel please. Ms. Barber, go ahead please. I do have questions in regards to the access points. Yes ma'am. And well first I want to know how many of the senior housing units do you have slated for this? [1:17:55, 1:17:56]: A hundred and eighty two. [1:18:00, 1:18:00]: What? [1:18:01, 1:18:08]: Okay, my next question is regards to um all the access points are located on Flippin' Road. [1:18:09, 1:18:11]: That's correct. Is there no opportunity for [1:18:13, 1:18:26]: Access points on what is the name of that road? The road that runs um Davison Park. David Park. No. No. The road that runs um [1:18:27, 1:18:47]: Going east on Flippin Road. Old Atlanta. Old Atlanta Road. Huh? Old Athlanta. Old Atlanta Road. Is there no opportunity for access road there or entrance point on that side or somewhere close to North Henry? Just want to see us flush the traffic. [1:18:47, 1:19:06]: Towards North Henry or having some access off of North Henry so they don't have to access Flippin' Road. Uh th there really isn't a way to do that. I mean this access point here is the closest we have to North Henry. It's it's the closest that where we are. I think Old Atlanta, I thought, was up in this area, but maybe I'm wrong about that. [1:19:08, 1:19:16]: I am really concerned, concerned with all of the access points on Flippin' Road. If there's a way to find an opportunity to [1:19:17, 1:19:23]: have access points somewhere else, additional access points, um, just not flipping the road. [1:19:23, 1:19:30]: Yeah, I I don't think there is, but I guess I hope this eases your concern a little bit. You know, we spent [1:19:30, 1:19:50]: Four, five, six months in the DRI process with the Georgia Regional Transportation Authority. We had to generate a traffic study that they dictated, right? And it wasn't just, you know, our access points, it were access points at flipping in North Henry and all over the place. I mean, they wanted to study or get a larger 10,000-foot view of the traffic in the area to understand what it is now. [1:19:50, 1:20:10]: Now and how we'll impact it, and what we need to do most importantly to mitigate our impact. And so, you know, uh, we've done that. There are things that that uh uh Greta is requiring us to do, improvements, turn lanes, both in the middle of Flippin' Road and on the side of Flippin' Road. Uh the signal, things of that nature that Greta just told us and told [1:20:10, 1:20:23]: the uh the city that you know would actually minimize and mitigate our impact and and and at least not make it any worse than it is. So all of those are adopted or uh as as part of this rezoning. We've agreed to all of them and they were incorporated into our plan. So [1:20:24, 1:20:25]: I'm no traffic engineer. [1:20:26, 1:20:44]: I'm really not, I understand what you're saying. Traffic is always a concern. The good news is that there are people at the state level who are paid to do this all day, every day, and they took a very hard look at this project and they told us and they told the city, here's what you need to do. If you do these things and you'll be fine. And and all of those things are incorporated in our plan. [1:20:45, 1:20:59]: But I don't know how familiar they are with flipping road. They don't use flipping road. The state doesn't. We are familiar with the traffic patterns on flipping road. So I'm concerned. That those are what my concerns are. I just [1:21:01, 1:21:21]: Well the good news is, you know, if if this had gone forward in Henry County, I mean the access points were essentially the same. You would have had, you know, 300 more residences and even more of an impact. You know, they went through the DRI process as well. They would have been required to do all you know essentially the same things we did, but for a more intense development. But the difference is there was a full development of the entire [1:21:21, 1:21:22]: Higher. [1:21:22, 1:21:42]: What was it, 120 some odd acres? So there would have provided some um through roads and other access points. It wouldn't have just been flipping road. I mean as we talked about, the commercial was here, the residential was here. [1:21:42, 1:21:44]: Um you know [1:21:46, 1:21:53]: This isn't all coming at once, right? I mean, first of all, our build-out's five to seven years, so it's it's it's going to be a gradual sort of introduction to the area. [1:21:54, 1:22:07]: But again, something's gonna happen that eighty acres to the north, you know, you do have the ability. You you could actually change your comp plan today to require, you know, the eighty acres to the north to take a road through to Davidson Parkway or or or or somewhere to the north. [1:22:08, 1:22:08]: You know [1:22:09, 1:22:14]: It's not all gonna happen at once, but these things will happen over time. I I told this story to the planning commission. [1:22:14, 1:22:21]: When I first started out as a lawyer, I lived off Peachtree Road and uh uh I worked down to midtown. I would just go straight to Peachtree every day. [1:22:21, 1:22:35]: And it was an area that wasn't particularly nice and a new a building was built and they put a sidewalk with street trees and benches. It was the only sidewalk in street tree with street tree and benches on that stretch of of Picha Road. And I thought that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. [1:22:35, 1:22:55]: But over the 10 years I lived in that house, I drove by it every day and I watched the property two lots up get redeveloped, and another sidewalk of street trees come in, and another redevelopment, and all of a sudden that one sidewalk became a network of sidewalks. I mean, you know, things happen at different times, different places, but if you have the right plan in place, it will ultimately get to where you want to be. And I think with this residential piece, [1:22:55, 1:23:01]: And with control over the the the commercial to the north, this will come together the the way you want. It's just not gonna happen overnight. [1:23:03, 1:23:20]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. Um Mayor Protein, you done? All right, go ahead, May, Mr. Thompson. Uh Mr. Webb, I I think you are correct, and and this was one of my concerns and and we spoke to this very issue, the uh egress and ingress, and [1:23:21, 1:23:24]: I think the final discussion, even though it is potential. [1:23:25, 1:23:30]: And that's sorta, you know, pie in the sky potential. But I I think it does [1:23:31, 1:23:35]: lends itself to that potential of [1:23:35, 1:23:37]: Um that other access [1:23:38, 1:23:38]: When [1:23:39, 1:23:41]: This development spur. [1:23:42, 1:23:56]: the eighty eight acres and beyond and and and if you would, uh Mr. Beasley, uh could you talk about the the tip and I think we sort of discussed that uh with this development, leaving that [1:23:56, 1:24:03]: And I I I don't know if I'm using the right terminology of Mr. Beason. Uh up toward the eighty eight acres, um [1:24:03, 1:24:12]: the spur, the tip that will lend itself to that future development uh going toward uh [1:24:12, 1:24:20]: Um the eighty-eight acres and and Davison Parkway, if you will. So what what we were careful to do was to give you [1:24:21, 1:24:41]: the boundary, right? So there's at least a hundred feet where that 80 acres meets our, you know, 278 acres. So there is space to put a road, a bridge, whatever is necessary there to connect those two. Is that what you're getting at? Yeah, but what what what is the term? Uh Mr. Alexander, you you spoke of it too, but what is the what is the the term [1:24:41, 1:24:48]: Terminology that we use for the tip towards the 88 acres that would lend itself to. [1:24:49, 1:24:52]: Future. Was it? Stop out. [1:24:52, 1:25:04]: Stub. Stub. Stub. Okay. Yes, sir. Yes. Yeah, so that's basically I mean that's all we can do is getting back to uh Councilman Blount's Blount's point, that's all we can do with this little piece out of the back. But again. [1:25:05, 1:25:22]: You know, the one sidewalk becomes a network ultimately. And you know, this stub out will connect to an eighty acre development to our north and provide an opportunity for all those cars to not go through the residential areas but come through that site. And it you know it it it'll take a little bit of time, but again it's gonna take a little bit of time for us [1:25:22, 1:25:23]: Develop this. [1:25:23, 1:25:25]: Once this is approved, word will be out. [1:25:26, 1:25:29]: You know, uh Atlanta is a real estate and construction [1:25:30, 1:25:38]: Metro area. Every you know, 80% of the people who live here are involved in it. They know what's going on. They look at every piece of dirt and everyone's gonna know what's happening down here. No one's gonna wait. [1:25:39, 1:25:44]: For this thing to be fully built to come in and do something, you know, whether it's the eighty acres next door or or some other piece of property. [1:25:44, 1:26:02]: Once they know it's in for permitting, once they know it's real, they're gonna start poking around so that they can open up all this kind of stuff so it all can open up at the same time. You know, they would love to come out of the ground with their commercials piece when these units are in, for example. You know, they like to time it that way. So word will get out and I you know, again, it it it'll take a little bit of time, but I I I [1:26:03, 1:26:06]: I wouldn't say it if I didn't believe it. I've been doing this for over twenty years and that's how this works. [1:26:07, 1:26:08]: Uh thank you ma'am. [1:26:08, 1:26:28]: Last last year. And I don't know, Mr. Webb, if it's appropriate. I know we're uh agenda item eight, the request for the comprehensive plan amendment, but uh and if this is appropriate, could you speak to uh the the different phases? I know we talked about phase one, phase two, and and [1:26:28, 1:26:30]: And the time frame [1:26:30, 1:26:33]: uh that all of this would take and I think it would give us [1:26:34, 1:26:54]: a picture of time frame and how uh the each each phase would sort of take place and how hopefully during these different phases that the interest could be developed uh as the phases are being developed and I know in the presentation [1:26:53, 1:27:00]: I think you talked about the number of years that it would take from phase one. [1:27:00, 1:27:20]: To the conclusion of this project. And hopefully that will um uh you know bring on some some some interest. But could you just start to talk about phase one and the different phases and time frame? Okay. Uh and I may need Mr. Beast to fill me in a little bit here, but you you see that these pods have [1:27:20, 1:27:28]: Different letters. So you see pod A here in the center, pod B to the south, pod C here in the southwest corner, pod D to the north. [1:27:29, 1:27:31]: My understanding is that pod A [1:27:32, 1:27:36]: will be the first phase with the northern piece of pod D. [1:27:37, 1:27:38]: So this [1:27:38, 1:27:42]: intensity in the center and these fin single family detached homes to the north. [1:27:42, 1:27:46]: Will be built somewhat in conjunction as part of фейз ван. [1:27:46, 1:27:51]: Y the the plan is uh phase two will be pod C here. [1:27:52, 1:28:01]: Uh then pod B and then again pod E the sort of retail civic space is is a floater, right? Once it makes sense, hey, we got enough going on here now. [1:28:01, 1:28:02]: Uh you know [1:28:03, 1:28:19]: Let's put it in, uh that'll happen. So there is a progression. Again, A and D to some extent uh built at the same time, pod C, pod B, and pod E remains to be seen. That could come in really at any time once it makes sense. Does that answer your question? [1:28:23, 1:28:43]: I just want council to understand uh the different phases and the time frame as we sort of move this project forward. But I yield back, Mayor. Oh thank you, sir. Appreciate it. On that note, we're going to stand by, sir, we're gonna go open up the public hearing. And so on that note, I wanna start on my very left-hand side. [1:28:43, 1:28:53]: for anybody that has any comments for for this particular project. Anybody come from my far left side in this section four. Any comments four? [1:28:54, 1:28:56]: In the middle, any comments four. [1:28:57, 1:29:00]: My far mom right side, any comments for? [1:29:01, 1:29:06]: Okay, now I'll go back on any comments aga on my far left side, any comments against this particular project. [1:29:06, 1:29:07]: My far left side. [1:29:08, 1:29:09]: Anybody in the middle? [1:29:10, 1:29:12]: Anybody on the right hand my right hand side? [1:29:13, 1:29:25]: All right, so no comments for or against either either of the three sections, so I will close the public hearing. On that note, then council, uh I'm looking forward for a a motion to accept this uh proposal. [1:29:26, 1:29:38]: Yes, sir. Uh I move to accept the request for a comprehensive plan amendment um for the future land use for the designation of this project. [1:29:39, 1:29:46]: Okay, is there a second to that motion? Sir. Mr. second that. Mayor Port. Yes, ma'am. Are there uh conditions attached to this? [1:29:47, 1:29:54]: Okay. I don't think we discussed any additional conditions. I don't think the conditions come in this phase, does it, Ryan? [1:29:54, 1:30:00]: No. There you go. It does not Okay, motion being made in a second. All favor, please indicate. [1:30:01, 1:30:05]: All opposed. Mr. Blum Plose Ms. Barber? [1:30:06, 1:30:11]: Abstain. Okay, so three one one. Motion passed. Three one one. All right, we'll move on. [1:30:12, 1:30:32]: Rezoning case RZ-2022-05 Council District 2 and 3. Vista previously requested a thirty-day deferral of both the rezoning and comp plan amendment applications. Consideration of the request for rezoning to assign to a PUD plan unit development district of certain property on flipping road. [1:30:32, 1:30:52]: Road to allow for the construction of a mixed-use residential development, including commercial and office uses. The applicant is Vista Residential Partners, CO Dennis J. Webb Jr. Property contains three parcels of land lot 38 of District 12 as listed below with 276.91 total acres within the stop receiver. [1:30:52, 1:31:12]: City limits. Parcel Dash number 030-01004000. Large parcel of 249.19 acres, located between Flippin' Road and Interstate 75 and 675. Parcel number 030-01003001. Small parcel of 2000. [1:31:12, 1:31:26]: twenty four point nine seven acres located six thirty flipping road and parcel number zero three zero dash zero one zero zero four zero zero eight small parcel two point seven five acres located three eighty four Flippin' Road. Mr Anderson please [1:31:26, 1:31:46]: Okay. Uh the purpose of this hearing is to um to assign a well to approve a new regulating plan or development plan for this uh particular item. The subject property was was uh annexed into the city as a result of the passage of the Stockbridge annexation referendum during November eighth, twenty twenty-two. [1:31:46, 1:32:06]: and uh officially became part of the city in January on January the 1st. The subject property was evaluated as a part of the of a DRI, DRI number 3799 that was completed by the Atlanta Regional Commission on March 29, 2023. The Georgia Regional Transportation Authority approved the project on December 5th, 2022. [1:32:08, 1:32:23]: I'm not gonna go through all this stuff because most of it has been already been discussed. So just gonna give a brief overview. Um Okay. As you can see, here's the zoning map. You can see the surrounding zonings. The subject property is identified by the star in this zone P U D. [1:32:25, 1:32:29]: Here's the new site plan as you can see to the north right here. [1:32:30, 1:32:50]: Um that the developer is proposing to donate 33 acres to the civic city for civic use or even commercial use. And at the top, the northern part of that is 80 acres that is currently zoned. C2, that's it right there. C three. And um, and also we're in the process of updating our comprehensive plan. [1:32:49, 1:33:00]: plan and um and in the draft that this particular area is recommended to be commercial and um hopefully will maintain stay commercial. [1:33:04, 1:33:04]: Clear. [1:33:05, 1:33:10]: Pr the once again the project will be developing um in different phases. [1:33:13, 1:33:33]: Uh staff came to the conclusion since this project has been uh vested, I mean vetted on multiple occasions um by Henry County, by the state, and by the regional authority. Uh the the the proposed project is consistent with the city's goals and objectives of the comprehensive plan, and it's consistent um with the [1:33:33, 1:33:37]: Unified Development Code, staff recommends approval with thirteen conditions. [1:33:39, 1:33:59]: The conditions are the project will be conditioned on a site plan dated July 7th, titled Flippin Road to Walt Stevens Road, a master plan residential development. The developer will implement the conditions listed in the in Greta's notice of decision, NOD, dated March 27th. [1:33:59, 1:34:19]: And it's included in your package as attachment A, attachment B, and section one. The developer will make the traffic improvements from the traffic impact study identified as Exhibit B. The project will be developed in conformance with the City of Stockbridge Unified Development Code and other code, sex, other city code sections. [1:34:19, 1:34:39]: Sections regarding site development standards and requirements. All homes shall consist of sides of brick, stone, stucco, or any combination of two or more of the following materials on all sides: brick, stone, stucco, or cement fiber board. Vital-based products are only permitted in the soft hits, E, [1:34:39, 1:34:59]: And fascia. Developer will subdivide the subject property and donate plus minus 33 acres to the city of Stockbridge for future commercial and or civic use. Regarding the proper the property's future land use designation, this has already been done. It was just recently approved on the last public hearing. [1:34:59, 1:35:18]: Reduction in the number of proposed parking spaces from 3,671 to 3,000 or 20%, whichever is greater. The maximum density rate for the prop for the project will be 4.84 acres. The developer will add a minimum of 30 EV charging stations throughout the development. [1:35:21, 1:35:34]: Regarding the parcels comprising the development site. The rezoning shall not be finalized until the parcels are combined, subdivided, and simultaneously. This shall not be finalized until a new plat is officially recorded by the Hearing Counter and Superior Court. [1:35:36, 1:35:51]: Regarding environmental matters, the applicant shall comply with the following. Take appropriate steps for the environmental protection of Reeds Creek, the floodplain area, and other sensitive site areas. Submit an acceptable landscape plan to the Community Development Department. [1:35:52, 1:36:10]: 13. Regarding the issuance of land disturbance permits and building permits, no land disturbance or building permits shall be issued for the subject property until the applicant has had the recombination plat officially recorded and has submitted a copy of the recorded plat to the community development department. [1:36:12, 1:36:13]: That's it. [1:36:13, 1:36:21]: All right. Council, any question from Mr. Ryan? Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Ms. Thomas. I I just want to take this opportunity to [1:36:23, 1:36:26]: Say, I'm appreciative of [1:36:28, 1:36:39]: The fact that staff and the developers do reach out to council members to attempt to [1:36:39, 1:36:44]: uh answer questions and and I I just want everyone to know that [1:36:45, 1:36:52]: These types of issues, uh, they're not easy uh on this council. Um [1:36:52, 1:37:12]: you know it's it's it's it's really in depth and and we could be here all night asking a lot of questions uh to try to get a better understanding so i do appreciate the opportunity uh to meet with developers uh in a zoom type [1:37:12, 1:37:14]: Yeah. [1:37:16, 1:37:24]: Go ahead, Ms. Ms. Thompson. Please continue. Thank you, sir. Um, I do appreciate the opportunity to to be able to uh [1:37:24, 1:37:38]: uh, you know, ask questions, answer question. And I know um they reached out to all of us um to try to, you know, connect with all of them. And I and I just wanna say that because, you know, something was said earlier about [1:37:38, 1:37:39]: You know, [1:37:40, 1:37:56]: you know, information coming late. But I just want to thank uh you all just for reaching out and giving all us this opportunity to ask these questions and get a better understanding so we can make informed decisions. And I just want to say that. Thank you, Mary, and I appreciate you allowing me to uh to get that out. [1:37:57, 1:37:59]: Mr. Uh Al Sara. [1:38:00, 1:38:20]: I I certainly appreciate that, Mr. Thomas. And I wanna say this to all of us in my district, we got Jodico that we're working on right now. We've been working on Jodico a long time. What came first with Jodeco? The residential. And once the residential is in there, we have Costco under construction right now. [1:38:19, 1:38:27]: I understand that we have a organic grocer that's going through the planning process now. Is that correct, sir? [1:38:27, 1:38:47]: Yes, sir. Sprouts. Sprouts. Thank you. So in other words, it works over time. It's not immediate that, well, we will see this particular development move forward all in one. But it is our job and incumbent upon us to make sure that and I and I love the fact that we included [1:38:47, 1:39:07]: if we approve this, the the access to the north, as Councilman Thomas said. So we control that. So whoever develops that property to the north, Henry County did a really good job on that commercial portion that it moves forward, that we can require that that road run there and at a future date guarantee those residents the ability to [1:39:07, 1:39:27]: Connect to Davidson Parkway. We don't want to put the commercial on Davidson Parkway, on a flipping road. That would be a mistake. That was never the case. So certainly we we understand, as Mayor Pro Tem said, and understand they cannot connect to Old Atlanta Road because drivetime automotive is there. [1:39:27, 1:39:47]: You have several other additional revidential properties that are there that separate these two uh developments. And certainly uh I understand that uh Councilman Thomas had asked them about purchasing the 80 acres to the north, and they actually had a letter uh that from those uh that they deployed. [1:39:47, 1:40:07]: the owners of the 80 acres that they were not for sale. Why are they not for sale? Because it's a gold mine and they know that they're gonna make a mint once this development or any a development of housing is approved. But the main thing we gotta understand is we're getting a lot of the things that we want in terms of residential, but it's gonna come in uh this [1:40:07, 1:40:27]: these particular phases. And this is in essence a second Joe Dako if it goes through and we're able to approve it with 300,000 square feet of retail in that 80 acres if it's approved. So we've been desperately trying to attract residential development and this could potentially be it. [1:40:28, 1:40:29]: Miss Barber, go ahead, please. [1:40:29, 1:40:38]: I wanted to ask, Mr. Anderson, can you give me the breakdown of the units per pod? I know pod A is multifamily. [1:40:39, 1:40:46]: Pod B is for the senior living, pod C is for the townhomes, and D is forty-two lots. [1:40:50, 1:40:52]: So here is part A on the screen now. [1:40:54, 1:40:55]: Um [1:40:56, 1:40:57]: Try to enlarge it, uh [1:41:07, 1:41:08]: Okay. [1:41:09, 1:41:11]: So that would be um [1:41:13, 1:41:20]: Part A consists of the um the multifamily. There will be six hundred and forty-five units. [1:41:28, 1:41:31]: The town homes, I mean um the senior house [1:41:32, 1:41:32]: will be [1:41:33, 1:41:35]: Hundred and eighty two. Yes. [1:41:35, 1:41:39]: Or a hundred and eighty nine here. Yes, and the single family detached will be three hundred and [1:41:40, 1:41:55]: and thirty one and they're all around and at different location different spots on the subject property. So they surround the property. Um the multifamily w will be on the interior. The town homes will be down south on the southern portion of the property, near the interstate. [1:41:56, 1:42:01]: And uh the commercial and single family would be and uh [1:42:02, 1:42:04]: And the slinger w would be over here. [1:42:06, 1:42:09]: So how many units were pot C? [1:42:11, 1:42:12]: Plus the [1:42:13, 1:42:15]: Hundred and eighty nine units. [1:42:16, 1:42:17]: Okay. And for [1:42:18, 1:42:19]: The senior. [1:42:19, 1:42:22]: There'll be 182 units. Gotcha. Thank you. [1:42:23, 1:42:43]: Um my next question is can you explain a little bit more in depth about impact fees and what they need what they mean to developments such as this? Well, impact fees is it's not a tax per se, but it's a fee that's associated with with the cost to develop. Uh for instance, uh our last approved [1:42:43, 1:43:03]: um town home I mean apartment uh development which was smaller than this, I think it brought almost like 50,000 in fees and permit fees and and that I have a list I can mail you that has a breakdown of the different fees for different apartment sizes, different for single family [1:43:02, 1:43:22]: homes and all that I can get that to you. I don't have it with me right now, but there's a fee for each div each development in this each unit in this development. Each each one of these each each unit in each of these parts will have have a uh impact fee associated with it. Separate impact fee. Yeah separate impact. Each individual unit will have an impact fee. [1:43:22, 1:43:23]: Yeah. [1:43:24, 1:43:31]: So if it's thirteen hundred and thirty-eight units, it will be an impact fee for each thirteen hundred and thirty-eight unit units. [1:43:32, 1:43:35]: And what exactly can those impact fees be used for? [1:43:35, 1:43:49]: Uh it goes to the city to offset the development costs per se, the and the impact on the uh environment and uh in the local government. To offset to try to mitigate some of the impacts on the city. [1:43:51, 1:43:53]: To help pay for roads and things of that nature. [1:43:54, 1:44:07]: Thank you. Follow up. The one thing that caught my attention more than anything else when talking about this was the density on this development is four point eight three. Is that correct? [1:44:07, 1:44:27]: Yes, sir. Around four point eight. The one that we did on East Atlanta Road and the one that we did on Davidson Road, the density was higher than that, correct? Correct. So in essence, this the density that we we're trying to get we were arguing over high density and where that was, but this is actually lower than those two developments. That's correct. Yes, sir. Okay. [1:44:27, 1:44:47]: Okay. Now in terms of uh let's see the overall conditions that we're looking at in terms of placing on these, is it time to talk about that now? Yeah, you can talk about the conditions. Now the some of the conditions I think that were discussed was the multifamily is going to be gated, correct? Uh I think so, but I'll just depend. [1:44:47, 1:44:52]: Defer that to the developer when he comes up. But will it be good? Yes, it will be gated. [1:44:52, 1:45:12]: Okay, and then I think we discussed uh having t uh the multi-use pass along that's along that spine road that runs through there. So not only would there be the Rees Creek extension, there would be a multi-use trail along the spine road, and that spine road would additionally go up [1:45:12, 1:45:18]: up to uh where that stub out was where that stub out is going to be as well. [1:45:26, 1:45:46]: So this would be a very intense development in terms of trails. There'll be a two two it was at one point five miles for basically a another Reed's Creek trail, and then there would be an extension of that up to where the cutout is bordering the 80 acres. So when the 80 acres develops, we require that to [1:45:46, 1:46:06]: developer to put another trail connecting to Davidson Parkway as a as a domino effect. And then to request as it comes down to where it is on Walt Stevens right there, we have a splot a T-splot project for several, I think$3 million to be able to go on down to the Clayton County Trail. [1:46:06, 1:46:20]: and connect to the Clayton County Trail. So this is a m a major jump for our master trail plan uh for here uh as well. But having those being gated, the trails, uh are there street lights included with this as well? [1:46:20, 1:46:23]: Yeah, there will be th they will submit a lighting plan. [1:46:23, 1:46:42]: Okay, so I mean s an a uh along those path certainly wanna have street lights along there because there are no street lights on flipping road right now, right? Yeah. So it that's extremely important that we have uh the street lights there. Sometimes there's a decorative street lights might be appropriate too to look at what the code requirement is. Okay. [1:46:45, 1:46:57]: But certainly again the ten foot path along um flippin' road would also be required. So this this development would be flush with that. I think I heard thirty EV charging stations as well. [1:46:57, 1:47:03]: Yes. They agreed to put in thirty E V charging stations. Thirty E throughout throughout the development. Throughout the development. All right, thank you. [1:47:04, 1:47:07]: Any other questions, Count Mr Bar uh Mr Blount, go ahead please. [1:47:08, 1:47:10]: I just want to say this. [1:47:11, 1:47:16]: Is the beauty of being an elected official is that we're voted in by the people. [1:47:17, 1:47:19]: Neither of us can vote for each other. [1:47:21, 1:47:23]: As a as a city councilman. [1:47:24, 1:47:30]: So whatever approach we take on this council dealing with developers or dealing with issues. [1:47:31, 1:47:33]: Is that individual elected official? [1:47:34, 1:47:39]: That says I'm doing it because it best represents the people that I'm representing. [1:47:40, 1:47:45]: I'm not here to please anybody on this council, only to make the decisions I make. [1:47:45, 1:47:47]: And that's what I want to make clear. [1:47:48, 1:47:50]: Won the ting that does this servius. [1:47:51, 1:47:54]: To anybody that's coming sitting in here to this council meeting. [1:47:55, 1:47:56]: Is when we have an agenda item. [1:47:58, 1:48:14]: And we go sideways and speak for fifteen to twenty minutes and I have to watch people walk out because we don't wanna stick to the agenda item, the question that's asked, and move it out of the way s but the citizens can sit here and see this whole meeting. [1:48:15, 1:48:16]: That's my concern right now. [1:48:17, 1:48:24]: Is that I don't have to continue to say point of order because it's a point of order to be said. [1:48:25, 1:48:28]: When you're off the agenda items, we can congratulate. [1:48:29, 1:48:30]: Anyone that comes in. [1:48:32, 1:48:35]: For development and all that, that's not the agenda item. [1:48:36, 1:48:38]: And I have concerns with that. [1:48:39, 1:48:41]: We can't continue to prolong these meetings. [1:48:42, 1:48:48]: without referencing what's germane to the agenda item because when citizens come [1:48:48, 1:48:53]: They come and elect us to make decisions off of this all of this. [1:48:54, 1:48:58]: Not to hear how well we feel about a development. [1:48:59, 1:49:00]: And that concerns me. [1:49:01, 1:49:03]: Any other comments from the council? [1:49:04, 1:49:06]: Alrighty. This is also a uh [1:49:06, 1:49:07]: A public hearing. [1:49:07, 1:49:13]: So I'll take uh comments. I'll start on my very left for uh comments four. [1:49:13, 1:49:14]: Yeah, yes. [1:49:15, 1:49:15]: Right. [1:49:16, 1:49:26]: Uh do well oh okay, we can do that. I th I thought would we cover it all, but okay. Excuse me. We'll hold off on on a public hearing and go straight to additional presentation, sir. [1:49:27, 1:49:44]: Dinweb 1105 West PC Street, Atlanta, Georgia, 30309, here on behalf of the applicant. I'm gonna adopt and incorporate my comments from the previous presentation because I don't need to go all over that again. All right. But there's one thing I want I do want to talk about. Uh we agree with the conditions, but I want to clarify one thing. So the density is 4.84 units per [1:49:45, 1:49:59]: Per acre. That's the total density. But that number includes the thirty three acres that we intend to dedicate to the count, uh the city. So I wanna make sure that that there may be need to be a parentheses, you know, next to that condition that says including the thirty-three acres. [1:50:00, 1:50:00]: What's that? [1:50:02, 1:50:08]: Okay, four point five five. Well maybe we'll change that number to four point five. All right. Well well it's it's four point eight four now. That would [1:50:09, 1:50:10]: It sh it oughta go up. [1:50:12, 1:50:20]: So maybe what I'd propose the maximum density rate for the project will be four point eight four units per acre acre and put parentheses, including [1:50:21, 1:50:23]: The thirty three acres. [1:50:24, 1:50:26]: To be dedicated to the city. [1:50:28, 1:50:35]: Other than that, Is that you got a question. Is that calculated by the thirty three acres? Is that calculated by the twelve acres? [1:50:40, 1:50:42]: Two we've got two seventy eight point four [1:50:43, 1:50:50]: Then it's f that would k that would create flawed density anyway, because it's not bittable anyway. So I mean if you wanna do it that way, that's fine. [1:50:52, 1:50:58]: Well, I guess uh my only point is uh number nine says the maximum density rate for the project will be four point eight four units per acre. [1:50:59, 1:51:01]: When I divided our total [1:51:02, 1:51:10]: Unit count by the total acreage, that's basically the number that that we came up with. When we deduct the eight the thirty-three acres at whatever time we give to the city, that could alter. [1:51:11, 1:51:12]: Sorry? Uh [1:51:12, 1:51:19]: Okay, perfect. Uh assuming that math is right, five point five, maybe we'll just change four point eight four to five point five, and then we don't have to worry about it. [1:51:20, 1:51:23]: I don't want to prolong the meeting either, so I'm going to stop there. All right, so be it. All right, thanks. [1:51:24, 1:51:37]: Uh well is there anything else that I mean is anything else in reference to this item rezoning that you needed to add sir I would have I got a kind of Okay, there's a question coming. Yeah. So this this is where the conditions are. Show us you do you have photos? [1:51:37, 1:51:39]: Photos. [1:51:39, 1:51:45]: Of of what? The the units? Yes. Yes I do. Yeah, let's see what this looks like, yeah. [1:51:45, 1:51:50]: All right. Daniel, I'm gonna need you to fix this again. Sorry for everybody, but [1:51:55, 1:52:14]: I'm gonna guess Daniel's about fifteen to twenty years younger than me, which explains why he's good at this and why I'm not. And while he's doing that back to the original. And while he's doing that, and I I I know we can't learn it anyway. Where else are you building uh have you have you had experience at building uh these developments, sir? [1:52:15, 1:52:17]: Yeah, uh you'll take that. [1:52:24, 1:52:31]: Uh Michael Nyhart with Vista Residential Partners, twenty nine sixty four Peachtree Road, Atlanta, Georgia, three zero three oh five. [1:52:32, 1:52:34]: That that's Ryan's presentation. Yeah. [1:52:34, 1:52:50]: So Vista Residential has been in business for over twenty years. Uh we have experience developing uh communities throughout the Metro Atlanta region, uh as well as the Carolinas and Florida, uh including pretty much every submarket uh throughout Metro Atlanta. [1:52:51, 1:52:51]: Yeah. [1:52:52, 1:52:55]: Some cities? You got what what cities you developing in? [1:52:55, 1:53:00]: Uh Marietta, Douglasville, Kinnesaw, McDonough. [1:53:01, 1:53:02]: Uh Gwinnett County. [1:53:04, 1:53:04]: Thank you. [1:53:06, 1:53:15]: All right, so so these are images. Again, these are conceptual, but uh this is uh you know, a representative example of the single family detached when we spoke [1:53:16, 1:53:30]: Uh in one of the Zoom calls we said that we would include some side entry garages. So this is a front entry. I don't have an el uh elevation for a side entry, but there that will be introduced to the project as well. Here's an image of the uh representative of the town home development. [1:53:32, 1:53:36]: Here's an image that's representative of sort of the idea for the senior cottages. [1:53:38, 1:53:40]: Here's some elevations for multifamily. [1:53:42, 1:54:01]: And we've got I included this too, just you know, multifamily is really about the amenities these days. And so there's some examples of the you know, fitness facility, you know, the social gathering business center and the pool area here. So I I've we've submitted some of these along the way, uh, but I wanted to bring a few of these tonight. [1:54:02, 1:54:15]: Let's see so the single family home. Let's look at the town home component right there. Um, so that's uh is that a three level? Or I see the cap. [1:54:15, 1:54:22]: So it's it's basically uh it looks like a three level with a dormer in in sort of the attic area. Okay. Now I'm not [1:54:22, 1:54:24]: So those porches will be included? [1:54:25, 1:54:39]: Well, I uh there's gonna be some variety here. I mean I think the idea was to to give you sort of an image of kind of what we'd like, but we're not that far. I mean we're we are we we got a little bit of work to do. But yeah, the the idea is that whatever is produced will have sort of the feel of something like this. [1:54:40, 1:54:56]: I think you mentioned um you had there was a Brookhaven development or something that you had worked So we we were talking about some of the mixed use developments I've been involved in and I'm and one of the ones I mentioned because I live right near it is called Town Brookhaven. Now that's a different animal because there's no townhome there. It's all uh there are [1:54:57, 1:55:10]: Forget the numbers. Town Brookhaven, you know, i it's on Peachtree Road. It's a pretty urban dense environment. There were something like 1750 residential units. They're all multifamily. Uh and uh [1:55:10, 1:55:12]: A significant amount of retail. [1:55:12, 1:55:19]: And a lesser amount of office. I I'll tell you this. So uh just as an aside, because this kind of ties into something we talked about. [1:55:20, 1:55:33]: on mixed use. One thing I'm seeing in mixed use is much less retail, right? So when Town Brookhaven was originally approved, I think there was about seven hundred and fifty thousand square feet. I worked on the redevelopment of North Cab Mall last year and there's three hundred thousand square feet on a comparable size [1:55:34, 1:55:39]: uh property and about a hundred thousand of that is existing so [1:55:39, 1:55:40]: Oh [1:55:41, 1:55:44]: You know, it's just something I've been thinking about. We're I'm seeing a lot of mixed use deals, you know, with [1:55:45, 1:55:50]: The internet and Amazon and you know the the retail you see nowadays is basically restaurant. [1:55:51, 1:56:01]: So so you have pl you all have plenty of experience in putting these together. So this is what you're seeing in those developments as they blanch out. Correct. All right, thank you. [1:56:02, 1:56:06]: Any other questions for develop yes go ahead, Ms. Barber? Um [1:56:07, 1:56:14]: I see that you're not asking for a variance of a twenty-five feet setback. That's great. No variances. [1:56:15, 1:56:16]: Thank you. It's great. [1:56:17, 1:56:30]: The next thing is, I wanted to ask, is it possible, and this is just me, um increasing the number of senior living units and decreasing the number of multifamily units? [1:56:32, 1:56:42]: Uh no, I mean we we we we've got a pretty detailed program that we've worked on and you know there will be different partners who come in to work on different aspects of the development. Those are kind of hard numbers. [1:56:43, 1:56:50]: They are not hard numbers. [1:56:51, 1:56:53]: You know, a hundred and eighty nine. [1:56:53, 1:57:01]: senior there may wind up being 180. I mean there's always a little bit of flexibility once the the architect comes in lays out corridors and whatnot, but those are those are numbers we need to make this deal work. [1:57:02, 1:57:08]: Okay, I get it. I just know that there is a uh a demand for more senior [1:57:08, 1:57:10]: Housing. [1:57:10, 1:57:14]: Um price points. Are you able to share price points? [1:57:15, 1:57:16]: At this point here? [1:57:17, 1:57:17]: Yeah. [1:57:19, 1:57:27]: Market rate. I don't know what that is. I I'm not qualified to answer that question. I don't know if you guys have any information on that or not. [1:57:30, 1:57:50]: I just want to know the price points for the multifamily units and the senior housing, the townhomes, and the 42 lots. Sure. Chase Beasley, 481, Manor Ridge Drive, Atlanta, Georgia. Um so from market rate is driven by the current state of market. And so as we assess and work through our site plan, um [1:57:50, 1:58:10]: Right now we have various comps, so other apartment deals which will match. Obviously, we do not want to outprice our current renter demographic. And the same goes with the fee sample fee simple single family homes. So we're not going to come in here and expect to build all million dollar homes, anything of that nature. Right now we anticipate those to be anywhere from two hundred and fifty to four. [1:58:10, 1:58:20]: 450,000, somewhere around that. We have not nailed down a specific um price point. So as we mold and massage the program further, we'll determine that. [1:58:23, 1:58:31]: Okay. Um so then how do I know if um what you're building actually meets the needs? [1:58:32, 1:58:35]: Of our community just based on the market. [1:58:36, 1:58:53]: The market typically dictates that and and so we will be very honed in on the the pulse of the market. We we don't if we outprice or don't align with market and what is needed, we won't sell or we won't rent. So um then tends to to build what people need and want. [1:58:53, 1:58:55]: Okay. So [1:58:56, 1:58:57]: I just stabbed it. [1:58:57, 1:59:02]: So be homes. Um are those fee simple. [1:59:03, 1:59:05]: Hundred percent owner occupied. [1:59:07, 1:59:12]: The single family detached in the pods. Uh I think that's true, yeah. The intent is perfectly simple right now. [1:59:12, 1:59:17]: Yes, the intent is is we're programming them for fee simple. Um yes. [1:59:17, 1:59:22]: Okay. What about the town homes? Are those owner occupied? [1:59:22, 1:59:24]: Th that's the intent, yes ma'am. [1:59:24, 1:59:24]: Okay. [1:59:26, 1:59:30]: Is that a part of the conditions from planning staff? [1:59:31, 1:59:32]: No ma'am. [1:59:33, 1:59:34]: No. [1:59:35, 1:59:39]: Okay. Will that be a condition for the council? Yes. [1:59:39, 1:59:41]: What what's the what's the issue now? [1:59:41, 1:59:47]: The condition for the camp cut that the single family and the town homes be for sale. Yeah. Okay. [1:59:48, 1:59:55]: That concludes my question. Right. [1:59:56, 1:59:58]: If no the c uh questions [1:59:59, 2:00:00]: From the council. [2:00:08, 2:00:18]: Um sir. All good. We're good. Okay. Another question for the council. Do you have another question, sir? I just wanna make sure the clerk been writing down all what we've been talking. [2:00:21, 2:00:26]: Well the the conditions were written uh I'm pretty sure she has all this kind of wrong on tape. [2:00:26, 2:00:33]: So we have thirteen conditions submitted by staff, well fifteen listed on here. [2:00:40, 2:00:45]: Okay, so what was submitted was thirteen and then the ten foot multi use [2:00:46, 2:00:47]: Trail. [2:00:48, 2:00:52]: Is added along with the multifamily gated. [2:00:52, 2:00:53]: Is added. [2:00:54, 2:00:57]: And then the newly added [2:00:57, 2:01:05]: Ten percent rental cap on the single family homes and town homes for a total of sixteen conditions. [2:01:06, 2:01:12]: Just to be clear that the the the multi use trail internal to the site will be on the spine road. [2:01:12, 2:01:16]: It'll be on what? The spine road, the the loop road through the middle of the property. [2:01:16, 2:01:19]: So a big loop. [2:01:19, 2:01:32]: Let me see if I can show w we call this the spine road, the big loop through the middle of the property. Right, that's the spine road. And then there's another trail that runs through the wetlands, correct? Oh right. So well this is the Reese Creek extension right here. Right. [2:01:37, 2:01:38]: That's all. [2:01:39, 2:01:52]: We good now? Yeah. Okay. So on that note, no other questions for council. Now we'll go to public hearing. So all of uh anybody in favor of the development that wants to speak on my very on my left side over here, if you want to speak. [2:01:52, 2:02:00]: In the middle, my far right. Seeing none. Okay, anybody want to speak against this particular development on my left? [2:02:02, 2:02:02]: Middle. [2:02:04, 2:02:11]: Once again, my far right. So no comments for or against. So I'll close the public hearing. All right, counsel need a motion to accept this rezoning case, please. [2:02:14, 2:02:14]: Yes. [2:02:15, 2:02:18]: You must council, you it's your district, you're gonna make the most [2:02:19, 2:02:19]: Yes, sir. [2:02:20, 2:02:25]: I move to approve the request for rezoning. [2:02:26, 2:02:31]: for construction of a mixed use residential to development. [2:02:31, 2:02:38]: to include the sixteen conditions uh as stated. [2:02:38, 2:02:42]: Is there a second emotion? Second. Okay, all favor please indicate. [2:02:42, 2:02:43]: Oh that's what [2:02:43, 2:02:49]: Okay comments. Excuse me? There's comments. For a second and comments. What a way, what's your comment, sir? [2:02:50, 2:02:57]: Ms. Holliday, can you document that I'm abstaining due to me not approving the land use? [2:03:00, 2:03:00]: Right. [2:03:02, 2:03:05]: Motion is made in second. All fair, please indicate. [2:03:06, 2:03:11]: All posed? Abstain. So three zero two, the motion passed. [2:03:12, 2:03:14]: Thank you, gentlemen. You're good. [2:03:15, 2:03:24]: Anyway, new business. Council of Consideration approved the award to re-quest for a proposal RFP number 2023-007. [2:03:25, 2:03:45]: Citywide Economic Development St strategic plan to Blakeley Advisory Group Incorporated for the development of a unified economic development vision plan to advance the interests of businesses and fuel economy and economic growth in the city for an estimated amount of sixty thousand dollars. Funding sources ARPRA, Mr. Lantz, please. [2:03:45, 2:04:05]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Kim Alons, Economic Development Director. The uh City Strategic Plan calls on the Economic Development Department to create a unified economic development vision for the city. To that effect, we released a request for proposal in April to uh bring on a qualified [2:04:05, 2:04:23]: Firm to help us develop that strategic economic development vision. And in June, the RFP Selection Committee met and ranked KB Advisory Group the number one firm. And this evening you have in front of you an approval for the contract. The project is about [2:04:24, 2:04:40]: will last about six to seven months and the price is six t sixty thousand and the funding source is ARPA. The uh representatives from KB Advisory Group and Urban Pulse are here to answer any questions that you may have. [2:04:40, 2:04:44]: Appreciate that, Mr. Launce. Uh council, any question for Mr. Launce's time? [2:04:45, 2:04:48]: Yeah, so go right here, please, Mr. Blount. [2:04:49, 2:04:57]: With the um how does this come in conjunction with all of the different um [2:05:00, 2:05:20]: Strategic plans we've already had in place. So part part of the RFP that we uh released, we had um a a stipulation in there that uh part of what they're gonna be doing is also taking a look at all the plans that we have, uh including the RSVP plan that um UGA worked. [2:05:19, 2:05:30]: on for the city in twenty eighteen. We're also working with uh KBA advisory on TAD as it relates to downtown. So all of these are gonna be considered as part of this effort. [2:05:31, 2:05:47]: And w what my c that kinda is going with my question because we've had R S V P for downtown, we've had other plans for downtown, we've had strategic plans for throughout the city. I'm just it i it seemed like every time [2:05:48, 2:06:08]: Two or three two or three years we're coming up with a new plan, new plan, new plan. What are we doing with the plans we already have? That's my concern that now we would spend sixty thousand dollars to come up and do a new new plan. Sure. So as it relates to the RSVP plan in uh specifically, that plane was developed in two thousand eighteen and it's been [2:06:08, 2:06:28]: Five years now, and a lot has happened in five years. So this particular plan will look at some of the demographics, what has changed. Uh we'll have some uh market data as well that we'll be taking a look at. And the goal is to develop a unified vision for the city. Uh, we currently we have partners that we work with, including the DT. [2:06:28, 2:06:39]: CDA and the CDY Development Authority. This plan is really about bringing everybody on board and together we can decide where we want to go and how we want to grow as a city from an economic development standpoint. [2:06:40, 2:06:43]: Y and and as a follow up, that's what I mean is that [2:06:44, 2:06:47]: The R S V P plan is was a template for what [2:06:47, 2:06:50]: і не стіл і стіл байол [2:06:50, 2:07:04]: to what we wanted for downtown. We've made moves and uh actually a lot of different fundings for different areas downtown, the the alleyway. Uh we've looked at uh what we're gonna do with Quack we we we've set things in motion. [2:07:05, 2:07:12]: And we have strategic plans. I'm just trying to figure out why the city continue to keep pl paying for these plans, these plans, these plans. [2:07:13, 2:07:16]: My concern is more of implementing what we have. [2:07:17, 2:07:25]: And then if we need to add to it or take from it, then that's what I strategically want us to do. But we keep getting a plan and playing and playing and nobody's playing the game. [2:07:26, 2:07:31]: That's my concern. If I and we continue to spending thousands and thousands of dollars. [2:07:31, 2:07:48]: If I may, the RSBP plan is uh specific to downtown. This particular plan is for the entire city. And it is my understanding that we've never had a s citywide economic development strategic plan. So that particular plan will accomplish that. [2:07:48, 2:08:08]: Yeah. How does that how how does that coordinate with then we have the comp plan done for throughout the city? Strategic comp plan done throughout the city. We've had that done before. So the comprehensive plan, in my understanding, has an economic development component. However, it's not as detailed. So the economic development strategic plan is really the how and uh [2:08:08, 2:08:27]: uh the timeline as to when we're gonna accomplish certain goals. What's in the comprehensive plan are basically overarching goals for the city from an economic development standpoint. It addresses transportation, it addresses community development, but this is gonna be specific to economic development and how we're gonna get to some of the goals that we decide together. [2:08:28, 2:08:28]: So [2:08:29, 2:08:30]: When we hire [2:08:31, 2:08:32]: Our economic development director. [2:08:34, 2:08:38]: Those are some of the things I w for what we have in place, I'd like to see you tell us. [2:08:39, 2:08:43]: It's gonna cost us sixty thousand dollars for somebody to tell us how we get to these goals that we already have in place. [2:08:45, 2:08:47]: Uh Frey it wasn't. [2:08:48, 2:08:51]: It's oh Mr. Okay, Mr. Garden's coming forward. [2:08:52, 2:08:53]: And I want Blakely to come on up. [2:08:57, 2:09:02]: Good evening, Mayor, Council. Uh Councilmember Blount, specifically as as Mr Lon said, y your [2:09:03, 2:09:05]: Comprehensive plan is a twenty year [2:09:05, 2:09:08]: Overarching document is not very detailed. [2:09:08, 2:09:16]: Your str uh your city wide economic development plan will incorporate what we've done downtown, but it's gonna look at the city uh overall as a whole. [2:09:17, 2:09:25]: Which is a bigger d bigger lift than than just doing the downtown. And to ask for the develop the economic development director to do that job. [2:09:27, 2:09:31]: There's an opportunity lost to time it takes for him to do that document for the city wide. [2:09:31, 2:09:51]: He could be focusing his time elsewhere, which is more advantageous than to have him sit down trying to do a develop economic development plan. I could speak to that as a planner. That is a total waste of his time doing that. That's why you have consultants to come on board and bring that expertise at specific areas around economic development that they can bring to bear and help us. That's why the [2:09:51, 2:09:52]: There. [2:09:53, 2:10:08]: Thank you. Stand by Mr. Garner just in case. I I know we'll eventually get the Mr the Blakely Corporation to rep, but you have something, Ms. I want the Blakely Corporation to come up so I can ask some questions for everybody actually. I don't know who I don't care who answers them, but [2:10:11, 2:10:11]: Huh? [2:10:12, 2:10:24]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'm uh Jeff Koske, president of KB Advisory Group. Um we've been uh working with pleased to work with the city on the tax allocation district recently. All right, k thank you. Can you tell me explain to me what exactly [2:10:25, 2:10:45]: Will this strategic plan do? What what are what is the components of this? What the steps, the process, and what you're you're going after? Sure. Um there's if you think about it in its simplest terms, there's really two sides of this. One one is a a plan to attract new jobs into the city. [2:10:45, 2:11:05]: The other is to keep the jobs in the city. And it's really that simple. I mean, you know, we've got the a detailed plan that we'll be working through, but that's at its highest level to attract new jobs and to keep new jobs in the city of Stockbridge, which then of course leads to lots of virtuous [2:11:05, 2:11:20]: virtuous cycle when you're adding new jobs because you've got additional folks spending money in the city, you've got additional property taxes to collect, um and therefore the the economy of the city is able to to grow and and um kind of [2:11:20, 2:11:34]: induce additional economic activity throughout the city. And so having a plan in place to systematically achieve that economic growth is what this is all about. And so it comes back to attracting jobs and keeping jobs. [2:11:34, 2:11:54]: So when you say have a plan in place, are you talking about a plan to recruit or a plan more so to determine what specific type of um retail or development or or workforce should be in a particular area or a little bit of [2:11:54, 2:12:14]: of those. What are you doing? All of the above. Absolutely all of the above. Um part of the part of the research, the first phase of it is really to dig into the economic data and to understand where your strengths are from a from an e economic standpoint and to be able to lean into the strengths in your economy. So that therefore jobs in a certain [2:12:14, 2:12:27]: sector of the economy like to congregate around other other jobs of that sector. And so we'll be looking at where are what sectors of the economy the stock bridge sort of have a advantage on. [2:12:27, 2:12:32]: And we'll be looking to sort of play lean into that, if you will, number one. Uh [2:12:32, 2:12:52]: Number two is really, again, as you said, workforce, right? And so workforce is strategies to really advance the workforce, and that really helps with business retention, keeping the businesses here. If they know they have a strong workforce, that will help. And then of course the other side you mentioned is retail. That's also part of this, is to really understand sort of the [2:12:52, 2:13:09]: um the the it's not a detailed retail study but it is we know of course the retail is part of the economy so to understand the supply and demand of retail and to understand where you may be underserved either in locations throughout the city or types of retail. [2:13:09, 2:13:29]: And what would become of this? Would you be the one that would draft the availability of of land and and locations that are available? Or is that uh Yeah, that's I mean that's all part of it. Th as the strategy develops and you all will have absolutely will have a a a chance to be part of this, we won't be having um extensive stuff. [2:13:29, 2:13:49]: Stakeholder meetings, we want to be able to meet with each and every one of you to get your opinions and your thoughts. So no, that's coming. But in terms of being able to understand the ability to attract retail, I mean that's that's where really the strategy comes into place, right? [2:13:49, 2:14:02]: Right. So it's sort of we're not we're not sure where this is headed yet. We got a lot of research ahead of us to really then understand where the economy wants to grow and then how the city can be involved in helping the economy grow within the city limits. [2:14:03, 2:14:03]: Okay. [2:14:04, 2:14:04]: Um [2:14:07, 2:14:11]: And I don't know if if if I'm far reaching, you let me know, but [2:14:12, 2:14:14]: How did you go about doing that? [2:14:15, 2:14:28]: Uh it's a lot of research and analysis. And so we uh KB Advisory Group we've been around for about uh twenty three years now in in Atlanta. We just got finished doing this in the city of Tucker. So the city of Tucker um [2:14:28, 2:14:48]: is a it is a similar process, although it's a very dissimilar city. So the answers will be very different. The process starts the same and it starts with lots of research. So I have a team of data nerds and so we're we have our heads in data all day long. And so we'll be looking at census data, we'll be looking at Bureau of Labor Statistics data. You name it, we're looking at data. Um [2:14:48, 2:15:08]: We'll be working with uh Mr. Alamans to to understand localized data. We'll be looking at tax parcel data. We will cover ourselves in data starting tomorrow morning. Umce we sort of understand the data, we will then measure that against what we're hearing from our stakeholder groups, right? And so we'll be getting lots of input on the ground. [2:15:08, 2:15:28]: And we'll be spending time again with each of you. We'll be having community meetings. We'll understand how the economy works from your perspective. We will tie what we hear from you all from the business community. We'll be having business focus groups. We'll get a detailed understanding, boots on the ground of how your economy works. [2:15:28, 2:15:47]: We will also at the same time have a deep dive into the data of how your economy works. And those two things will come together to help us devise the strategic plan, which of course will then you know be vetted, if you will, by city staff. [2:15:47, 2:15:51]: Can you give me some success stories of your past experience for this? [2:15:52, 2:16:12]: with with with other cities in its well as I said city city of Tucker um was the um the they were also looking to pass their first economic development strategic plan. Their uh economic development manager didn't really have a um uh a work plan if you will [2:16:12, 2:16:17]: Ам, щедрой на економі і макин да бізнес стай. [2:16:18, 2:16:32]: But she didn't have a plan to to attack with. And so that economic development strategic plan really helped her understand her local constituency and understand sort of the unique natures of that economy. And so she now has [2:16:32, 2:16:52]: She did she now has a plan for her day each and every day as an economic development director. They're continuing to attract businesses. They really want to focus on their downtown. And so if you've been to their downtown, you can see that there has been activity in some of the similar ways that you all have had activity. So in some ways, now that I think about it, I hadn't thought about it, but your your downtown. [2:16:52, 2:17:05]: Is not so far away from where they were three or four years ago. So that's an example of uh us working with a small city in in uh in the Atlanta area with an economic development strategic plan. [2:17:06, 2:17:08]: Okay. You've worked with larger cities as well? [2:17:09, 2:17:29]: City of Atlanta. I mean, we you know, last year our biggest um uh one of our biggest clients was the Atlanta Housing Authority. I mean we work with big and small, we're getting ready to kick off work in Cedartown, Georgia. We work with Invest Atlanta, you know, you you name it. We're working, we're getting ready to work for, we've done work for City of Savannah, we've done, we've set up eight. [2:17:29, 2:17:41]: Eight TADS in the city of Columbus. Um you know, you name it, top to bottom, we've done it in Georgia. Okay. And Mr. Kim, all right. Oh after once you receive this report. [2:17:42, 2:17:43]: If approved, what are your plans? [2:17:45, 2:18:04]: So part of the report part of the report that we'll receive from uh KB advisory will include a timeline and um prioritization as far as what we'll need to implement and how and we will need to partner to implement so the plan is to go and implement the plan. [2:18:05, 2:18:08]: Okay. When you say need to partner, partner with whom? [2:18:09, 2:18:29]: So um again, part of one of the reasons why we're doing this is because we have so many wonderful partners that um we have the citywide development authority, we have the downtown development authority, we have the Main Street program. Uh we have so many wonderful partners and they all play a vital role in what we do in economic development. So part of it is to try [2:18:29, 2:18:30]: [8311.3, 8318.9]: This is the strategy. We should be doing it. Was more a qu not qualified, but apt to do it and then partner with them to make it happen. [2:18:39, 2:18:59]: Okay. So you're looking at what particularly would be good to go in Stockbridge where and locations and then partner with other authorities, entities, including within our city and within our county, to work together to try to figure out [2:18:59, 2:19:04]: I mean to recruit or or what? [2:19:04, 2:19:24]: The the recruitment and the business development is just one component of the plan. As as uh Jeff mentioned, uh workforce development is also part of it. Um so it's basically looking at some of these strategies and figure out who we need to partner with to make them happen, whether it's uh certain businesses that we need to recruit, whether it's [2:19:24, 2:19:44]: partnering with some of the entities that we have here to offer more small business development for the business that we have now. Because part of what we'll be doing as well as part of this is to really hear from our business community because we need to know what their needs are. So and that is doing a business assessment of some sort. [2:19:44, 2:19:50]: sort. So it is a lot of a lot of components coming together. [2:19:50, 2:19:51]: Okay, thank you. [2:19:52, 2:20:12]: Ms. Alexander. Yeah. Uh certainly Columbus is a shining star, I mean, um, of what they're doing down there. So you're telling us that you had uh a role to play in what they've been able to do, because I mean they're a cash cow in terms of how much money and development that they've been able to bring in. Talk about that. [2:20:14, 2:20:31]: Well, I wouldn't call the Columbus a cash cow. Um th they've but we've had six we've been involved in their success of their downtown. Um we um when the uh Teresa Tomlinson was mayor who went on to become, you know, um statewide um candidate [2:20:32, 2:20:39]: She she knew that they needed an economic development tool, particularly for their downtown, but also elsewhere. [2:20:39, 2:20:59]: And so uh she called our firm. At the time, our firm was called Blakely Advisory Group. Um, it's now called KB Advisory Group. I bought the firm from Mr. Blakely um five years ago. She called Mr. Blakely and uh and me, and um fast forward we helped set up eight TADS in the city of Columbus. I was just there um two weeks ago. [2:20:59, 2:21:11]: As a matter of fact, working on a um a ULI panel and one of and and people came up and said, Oh, you you were involved in this TAD in the you know that helped get this [2:21:11, 2:21:20]: Nightlife here that we have never had before. And um I said, Yeah, I mean I wrote it. And they were like, Well, we couldn't have done it without you. Now [2:21:20, 2:21:40]: I wasn't planning on making that presentation tonight, but you asked and and you know they said we couldn't have done it without you. So I can't promise that you're gonna have the kind of success. You don't have a river with whitewater rapids coming by, so you know you may not get what Columbus um is getting. It's a much bigger city. But you have your own assets. You have your own downtown, you have your own [2:21:40, 2:21:55]: own history, you have your own future that you're built. I'm really excited to figure out what your what it what this is all about. You know, what is your future? It's not Whitewater Rapids, but it can be, it can be it's success. You know, we live in this dynamic region. [2:21:55, 2:22:02]: You guys should have your fair share. We can help you figure it out. We can't promise that you'll get it, but we can help you figure out a strategy to get there. [2:22:03, 2:22:17]: Well certainly we have a hundred and forty thousand cars coming down I seventy five every day. That's a big river. You got a ton of assets here. You gotta figure out what to do with them. I mean you have figured out what to do with them. We're excited to kinda keep keep the story going. [2:22:17, 2:22:29]: Well, we certainly want to make sure that we do that in terms of uh advancing the goals of what just like the project we approved tonight. So Mr. Lunch, tell is there conversations with the other the with the authorities? [2:22:32, 2:22:37]: What is those specifically? Where are you going? [2:22:38, 2:22:48]: Yes, I've mentioned uh the the the project with them and they will be involved as far as uh helping us develop that uh unified economic development vision. [2:22:48, 2:22:50]: Okay, Mr. Gardner, you over there? [2:22:59, 2:23:05]: Is this what we need to be successful in this city moving forward? [2:23:06, 2:23:21]: Yes, sir. This is one of the plans that we're gonna be needing moving forward. Um as we said, you know, it's gonna consolidate what we've done in the downtown area, but also it's gonna take and look at what we need to be doing citywide. [2:23:21, 2:23:32]: Right. Um if you just Google economic development plan cities, you will see that every major city, competitive city around us, has an economic strategic plan. [2:23:33, 2:23:35]: There's a purpose, there's a reason why. [2:23:35, 2:23:38]: Um, because they understand the value of economic development. [2:23:39, 2:23:47]: Right, about attracting businesses, right? Having a ri a shared vision around where the community wants to go and looking and going in that direction over the course of [2:23:48, 2:23:51]: Up to five years. A strategic plan is not a twenty year horizon. [2:23:52, 2:23:54]: Right. That's why it's called strategic. [2:23:54, 2:24:03]: It's supposed to take into account exactly what's going on and forecast within the next three to five years what's gonna happen. Your comprehensive plan is a twenty year horizon. [2:24:04, 2:24:07]: Right? When we did that plan, nobody envisioned covet. [2:24:07, 2:24:10]: Mm-hmm. Nobody envisaged inflation. [2:24:10, 2:24:12]: Those things impact your economy. [2:24:13, 2:24:19]: Right. So what's in that plan changes, and that's why we went from a five year [2:24:19, 2:24:25]: partial update, ten year major update, and twenty year rewrite. [2:24:26, 2:24:40]: to having DCA now mandate five year updates. So what used to be done in ten years is now being done in a five year horizon because we understand that things changed and over the last fifteen, twenty years, we've gone through [2:24:40, 2:24:41]: A major recession. [2:24:42, 2:24:52]: And we went through are still coming out of a major inflation. So those term periods you have to look at how things are moving around. So this is a plan that's gonna help us moving forward. [2:24:52, 2:25:03]: So this is gonna help us drill down with some of the specifics to get us going and moving along that journey where we're trying to go. Yes, sir. All right, thank you. [2:25:03, 2:25:04]: Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [2:25:06, 2:25:06]: Um [2:25:08, 2:25:11]: Forgive me um if I'm not seeing what everybody's seeing. [2:25:12, 2:25:32]: Because on the northern end we've we've approved development. Development was approved tonight. Mixed uses down on the southern end in the mid mixed section of the cities. We we we have downtown now starting to build up. We have a plan for downtown, obviously BP VP plan that was the template for downtown. We have identified [2:25:32, 2:25:35]: All the areas around the city of Stockbridge. [2:25:35, 2:25:38]: The greatest asset we need to make it happen is funding. [2:25:39, 2:25:43]: Funding an packages for these businesses when they come into the city. [2:25:44, 2:25:48]: We have so many plans and so much in place already. [2:25:49, 2:25:49]: I I [2:25:50, 2:25:55]: We have it. We we we we we have when you look at a city like Madison. [2:25:56, 2:26:16]: When they took the development direct uh economic development director, they took the main street, they worked with the DDA and they worked with the uh uh development authorities, and they came up with a plan that they knew was gonna work because they knew the areas in those areas that had started developing, they came up with a plan the best way to develop those areas. We're already developing. [2:26:16, 2:26:33]: We're already attracting new business. We're attracting hotels. We're attracting people that we've been here tonight. We're attracting so much. I'm trying to make sixty thousand dollars, which is now an estimate. It's not an amount of, it's an estimate. So I don't know if that number is high or low. I'm trying to find out. [2:26:34, 2:26:38]: Why do we need this when we have so much already in place? [2:26:40, 2:26:49]: We got grant writers. We got so much in place. Right now, all we have to do is put the right people in places and make sure we start moving all this stuff. [2:26:49, 2:26:51]: It's already in place. [2:26:53, 2:26:58]: Respectfully, um Councilmember Blount, what's happening to us is happening to us through happenstance. [2:26:59, 2:27:00]: Right. Um [2:27:00, 2:27:20]: And that's been pretty much the direction of Henry County as a whole for a great part. Um now I think we're in a position where we get it. Um and everybody, including the county, is looking strategically. Um so rather than hoping that things come, part of what you're seeing tonight on the agenda is [2:27:20, 2:27:25]: is an opportunity for us to start to look at dictating exactly what we want. [2:27:26, 2:27:28]: Um, especially as it relates to economic development. [2:27:28, 2:27:32]: Um our downtown is not thriving. Our downtown is still dead. [2:27:32, 2:27:40]: Right, we have life coming into the downtown. Oh we still Mr Gar no ms m Mr Garner, let me let me let me interrupt that for a second. [2:27:41, 2:27:42]: What's happening downtown? [2:27:43, 2:27:45]: Within the last year. [2:27:45, 2:27:57]: has never happened in downtown since I've been on this council for eight years. And when we're talking about there are so many businesses and opportunities that are coming right now into the city of Stockbridge. [2:27:57, 2:28:07]: Our downtown is not dead. That'll be a belittlement of the s of the of the businesses I already came down there and they are doing well. Understood. And and please don't take what I say in the wrong way, sir. [2:28:07, 2:28:14]: What I'm trying to explain to you is as it relates to our downtown being competitive against downtown McDonald. [2:28:15, 2:28:17]: Right? Downtown Jonesboro. We're not there. [2:28:18, 2:28:27]: We still have a ways to go. One of the biggest missing components we have in our downtown is the lack of additional retail opportunity spaces, housing opportunity spaces. They are not here. [2:28:28, 2:28:38]: That's why we went through the process of doing the TAD, right? Which requires us to work collaboratively not just with us, but with Henry County and Henry County Board of Education. [2:28:38, 2:28:43]: Right, it's part of making that making what we vision in those documents. [2:28:43, 2:28:50]: palatable to a developer who will come in with the understanding that yes, we're bringing this tool to make it happen. [2:28:50, 2:28:51]: Um [2:28:51, 2:29:04]: You know, as it relates to other areas of the city as we annex, we talked about the eighty acres that wasn't included in this and the recent rezoning that you see up here on the on the chart. Um, you know [2:29:06, 2:29:07]: There is no [2:29:07, 2:29:09]: Plan for that property, it's Zoom commercial. [2:29:10, 2:29:11]: Right. [2:29:11, 2:29:13]: That property is in the city, it's been in the city. [2:29:14, 2:29:15]: Um [2:29:15, 2:29:23]: But part of this is being able to focus and say exactly what what do we think we need to go to can go in that area. [2:29:23, 2:29:26]: based on what is the area specific demographics. [2:29:26, 2:29:32]: Usually a five ro five mile driving radius or a five mile distance requirement. [2:29:32, 2:29:36]: that would bring that could come into that area. What is that income in that area?'Cause that's what's gonna drive that. [2:29:37, 2:29:42]: Um that's what people are going to look at when they decide whether or not they're gonna bring [2:29:43, 2:29:45]: А майже ритай плейс<unk> а надо шоп. [2:29:46, 2:29:49]: Right, this can compete against the Walmart that's there right now. [2:29:49, 2:29:51]: That's what it's gonna take. [2:29:51, 2:29:53]: Right now that property, like I said, is zone commercial. [2:29:54, 2:30:00]: But if we can actually plan and put a recruitment program in place, is what you see on this agenda. [2:30:00, 2:30:04]: We drive the narrative. We don't let the developers drive the narrative. [2:30:04, 2:30:07]: We're doing some things, but we're doing things [2:30:07, 2:30:08]: Without [2:30:08, 2:30:11]: That economic plan or that economic візі. [2:30:11, 2:30:12]: In front of us. [2:30:13, 2:30:16]: Right. Let me say this. Let me say this, please, sir. [2:30:16, 2:30:19]: Your pardon, Miss Speaker. No, sir. I said [2:30:19, 2:30:25]: Yeah, but um you have to be careful and cautious the demeanor we're putting out there. I just stepped back from the podium so I could hear what you have to say. [2:30:26, 2:30:46]: When we talk about downtown, we talk about the tag, when we talk about development, development that we have on the table right now is getting Georgia Power to put lines underground because we cannot do the development we want with where they are now. When we talk about development, we talk about so much that needs to be done that we know what needs to be done without me putting it on the table. [2:30:46, 2:30:53]: So the strategic plan that we already know we need to do is go ahead and do it. We know we need to alleyway. [2:30:53, 2:30:57]: We we know what we need the that tag to come through and what we're gonna do in that area. [2:30:58, 2:31:08]: We know about the development that's going on over there off of uh uh uh Jodico. We know so much right now that we need to put the plan in place to make a we know we need a quiet crossing. [2:31:09, 2:31:11]: There's so much that we do know. [2:31:12, 2:31:16]: And I'm just for me, I don't need someone else telling me what else we need to know. [2:31:16, 2:31:21]: That's all I'm saying. Yes sir. For sixty thousand for an estimate of sixty thousand dollars. Yes, sir. [2:31:23, 2:31:43]: Ms. Gantt, go ahead, please. Can you tell me where the financials are coming with this from? First first, before I make my next comment. The funds? Yeah, the funds. ARPA. ARPA. Yes. Okay. So the funds are coming from ARPA. And Councilman Blount, I respectfully disagree because this is a [2:31:43, 2:32:03]: About the entire city of Stockbridge. And no, I don't have a specific plan in place for Highway 138 off of 220 exit 228, even though we know that prior to me becoming the district rep apartment complexes. [2:32:03, 2:32:16]: were to be or are now approved to be built there with townhomes. Um even if I disagreed. But there are other components in that area that aren't planned out. And I would be [2:32:17, 2:32:37]: doing uh my community a disservice by just letting anything just come. I would prefer to kind of work on, oh man, there's no Starbucks in that area. We really need one. Let's try to get one. And that way more hotels who are saying, hey, we need a Starbucks in this area. [2:32:37, 2:32:57]: Can we you know maybe we can go after that particular thing. Um, and that's just an example. But I'm more concerned, I like the data analysis, I like putting all the parcels together. All those things do take a lot of time. You're absolutely correct, Councilman Blount. The RSVP is there. We have a plan on that. [2:32:57, 2:33:17]: We're starting to implement certain things, the alleyway, that's our downtown. But we don't have a plan for going to Peach Road, Jodico Road, besides Jodico Bridges and Jodico. Other than that, we don't have a plan for those areas that we've annexed in and those areas that are already zone commercial. [2:33:17, 2:33:30]: They're just on commercial. And we could do ourselves a disservice by saying, oh, they're done zone commercial, industrial, and oops, a warehouse came. We didn't want that. [2:33:33, 2:33:36]: Instead of trying to come up with a plan. [2:33:36, 2:33:52]: to put specific things that would go well in those particular communities. So I'm not, especially when this is ARPA funds and it's something that we definitely need for the community as a whole, not just our downtown. [2:33:52, 2:34:12]: I'm pretty sure they will look at the RSBB plan and it was strategic. I'm sure they're gonna add those components that are already put in place. The master trail plans and everything else will be put in place and made neat and all together so that we can kind of strategically go after particular [2:34:12, 2:34:15]: things that we want for our city. [2:34:17, 2:34:37]: Okay, good deal. Any other comments from the council? Okay. Uh on that note in a motion to accept this proposal. Mayor, I'd like to go ahead and make a pro motion to approve of this strategic plan as recommended uh by the city manager. This is something we definitely need. Sir second. I second. I missed second in all favor, please indicate. [2:34:37, 2:34:57]: All opposed? Four one. It passes. Thank you very much. Item number 11. We've um we pass it on to the next uh meeting, which would be July 25th. So we'll go to number 12. 12 is council consideration to approve the agreement with the Henry County Development Authority along with the county and the [2:34:57, 2:35:17]: To hire retail strategies recruitment to work toward a solicitation, development, and expansion of retail businesses in Henry County that will expand commerce expand commerce, create employment, enhance tax revenue, and improve the quality of life in each city and entire county. Presented by Mr. Gardner in this case. [2:35:16, 2:35:35]: Sir, please. Once again, good night, Councilmember's Mayor. Um tonight we have a proposal before you. Um that the process started, I think, back in 2020, 2021 timeframe, um when we uh were pretty much under the Henry County Development Authority. Um the goal behind [2:35:36, 2:35:49]: the retail strategies component was to look at how uh firmed it would help the county as a whole, but specifically as well as its cities jurisdictions aro along recruitment of businesses coming into the city. [2:35:49, 2:35:57]: We just talked about having that economic development vision. But part of what these guys do is when we're at ICA's [2:35:58, 2:36:00]: Make sure the same event. [2:36:00, 2:36:03]: International shopping centers. Um [2:36:03, 2:36:04]: Go. [2:36:04, 2:36:07]: Did when we're there, whether it's in Vegas or the regional one. [2:36:07, 2:36:13]: Um whether we could attend or not, they're there on our behalf. These this entity would be that entity. [2:36:13, 2:36:15]: That would take that vision that we see. [2:36:16, 2:36:23]: Um that we produce out of our planning documents and hopefully through that unified strategic and economic development plan and help Mr. Mr. Alonz. [2:36:23, 2:36:30]: drive towards exactly what we want. And how does our data within our specific areas around the city? [2:36:30, 2:36:34]: uh able to attract who and to this community. [2:36:34, 2:36:35]: So for instance [2:36:35, 2:36:38]: Rather than hoping that we get a sprouts. [2:36:39, 2:36:44]: Right. Where's the best place if we want if we wanted to and looked at our plan? Where can we get [2:36:45, 2:36:48]: A Mercedes Benz dealership that's looking to expand. [2:36:49, 2:36:49]: Oh [2:36:50, 2:37:10]: Um I know I know I put this out there, the Whole Foods, but we're not there yet. Um but this group, my understanding of it, is the data that comes in, as well as they help with us with recruitment. So not only will we have Mr. Lance out there, we'll have an entity that's working on behalf of not just the city. Um [2:37:10, 2:37:12]: And the county, we saw this as a collaborative effort. [2:37:12, 2:37:21]: And yes, we have formed a new development authority, but I think the the assistance that this entity can bring helps our development authority as well as our economic development department. [2:37:22, 2:37:28]: Um, even though the bus was being driven prior to by Henry County Development Authority. So it's an opportunity to collaborate. [2:37:28, 2:37:33]: think the other three cities are on board, other two cities are on board as well as Henry County. [2:37:33, 2:37:53]: Um, to make this happen. So it's not just the city of Stockbridge, it's the city of Stockbridge, the city of Locust Grove and the city of McDonough, as well as how Henry County government that see the value and put making sure to be able to go after and have a group that's helping us and talking specifically to specific groups based on what our data can. [2:37:53, 2:37:56]: comes in to help us bring them to [2:37:56, 2:38:02]: the city of Stockbridge or the city of Hampton, meaning the city of Locust Grove or the city of McDonald or Henry County. [2:38:03, 2:38:04]: Um because as we know. [2:38:05, 2:38:07]: The sales taxman is generated. [2:38:08, 2:38:10]: Regardless of where it's generated is shared. [2:38:11, 2:38:30]: Right, we get a po we get a line share of that profit. Right. So we win there. Our residents, when they get a job, if the job is in the city, excellent. But if it's in the county, that's even better. Right? Because we know that almost eight seventy something percent of our our residents are driving outside the county for major employment opportunities. [2:38:31, 2:38:35]: Right. So um with that, uh rec recommended uh [2:38:35, 2:38:42]: The city council uh approved for us to enter into this agreement um through the development authority with retail strategies. [2:38:43, 2:39:03]: I will start this off indicating that uh Mr. Gardner and I attended a meeting some time ago with the rest of the cities and the county at the Development Authority office. And um and now actually I thought it was a very good idea for us to be part of this whole process, but I also understand that it takes the entire council to uh somewhat approve this particular deal. So obviously it's [2:39:03, 2:39:23]: Up to you all. But uh I know there's been quite a bit of discussion, uh things that come up internally in reference to uh wanting to go forward or not to go forward on this aspect. But uh obviously this is why we're here to at least discuss this and find out what we want to do as a collective group. But I'll say again, my initial thoughts were I thought it was a good idea overall. [2:39:23, 2:39:39]: And for us to help uh with the development of uh our city and be good partners uh also uh with our county, since we are in the county and we're all residents of the county as well. On that note, I will be quiet and listen to what other council members have to say. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. [2:39:39, 2:39:41]: What is the downfall of this? [2:39:42, 2:39:51]: A downfall of it? Yeah, is there any downfall of it? Oh, sorry. Yes, sir. So yeah, I I I hate to say that there's a downfall per se. [2:39:51, 2:39:51]: The [2:39:52, 2:40:12]: The number one downfall would obviously be if we wanted to do this on our own through our citywide development authority or DDA, we'd be walking into 100% of the costs. We just talked about the cost of the strategic plan. In this instance, you have partnership through a shared agreement where somewhere around 45% of the cost [2:40:12, 2:40:18]: Is being shared by the development authority, and the others is being spread amongst the other three jurisdictions. [2:40:20, 2:40:28]: Make sure I get this right. Four jurisdic three three three jurisdictions. Three other cities. Right. Between Henry County and City of City of Locals Grove and the city of Um [2:40:29, 2:40:49]: Uh, McDonough. So from that standpoint, the down point is if we don't and at some point we have to do this or go in this direction with our citywide development authority, we will be sharing that one hundred percent cost of bringing that that this entity on board. Um so that's that would be the downside is the cost if we do it would go considerably up. If we don't, obviously [2:40:50, 2:41:00]: And and the other side of that is even through our recruitment we understand that, you know, I think Mr Alain said it correctly, um, economic development is a collaborative effort. [2:41:01, 2:41:06]: I it's not just even our entities, it's us working with our state economic development. [2:41:06, 2:41:21]: Right, who works with the governor's office when they're looking at recruiting businesses here. So it's it's beyond just our jurisdiction. Um economic development can be from a city standpoint to a regional standpoint to a state standpoint, because when they get somebody interested. [2:41:21, 2:41:23]: Or we get somebody interested. [2:41:23, 2:41:26]: And it's a major, major player. [2:41:26, 2:41:32]: We would want to be able to bring other entities in to help us line them into a spot that's in our city. [2:41:32, 2:41:33]: Um [2:41:33, 2:41:34]: So [2:41:34, 2:41:44]: And I wanted to say that the development authority um representatives are here. So whatever specific technical question I can't a answer, they they're they're here to be able to answer those questions for you as well. [2:41:44, 2:41:50]: Mayor. Ms. Gantt go ahead please. If we can bring uh the economic development director out, that would probably be good. [2:41:51, 2:41:53]: Mr. Finn. [2:41:55, 2:42:15]: And uh uh Mr. Gardner, I see in this agreement that there's a couple of questions I have in regards to this agreement. Maybe you guys can answer for me real quick. Um, the first part of this agreement states that we would pay ten thousand dollars [2:42:16, 2:42:16]: Um [2:42:17, 2:42:32]: for the first year. And then it says a equal proportionment for the second year, but it doesn't give a total dollar amount for the all three years of the contract. What is the actual total dollar amount for all three years of the contract? Is the portion proportionment [2:42:32, 2:42:52]: Based off of percentage, the way it's breaking down, or is there a total? Because there's no total here. There's just a first year breakdown. Understood. And can I say good evening first? Good evening. Um and Councilwoman Gantt, and answer your question. This contract that's under the proposal is just for the first year. They're giving us a three year [2:42:52, 2:43:12]: Pricing if we mutually, and there is a clause in the agreement mutually, and that is the Henry County Development Authority, Henry County, and the three cities in this proposal. If we continue to go on, they give us a price reduction for each year that we continue. They stated the estimate price. [2:43:12, 2:43:15]: Right. [2:43:16, 2:43:36]: kind of the agreement that we had in our mayor's and chairs meeting to take this forward is as that continues, the percentages will be if we are in mutual agreement after one year, all the entities are happy with the progress that and what has been stated in the proposal is being done. Uh if we go forward it will continue on. So we don't second the second year [2:43:36, 2:43:56]: year yeah, if I can finish. Um the second year, your price would actually dec your contribution would decrease. All our contributions will decrease because the overall total will go down because they will have less of the research and interactions, identifying the targets and getting the feedback from the senior manager and staff, however they decide to dedicate that. [2:43:56, 2:44:16]: Because that'd be our direct point of contact would be his office coordinate however he wants to. Um with um y'all's um forget it's been a long weekend. Um, but um with y'all's direction as a council, how that interaction goes. So it goes for more gathering, get to know us and identifying the targets to straight. [2:44:16, 2:44:23]: marketing and acting on our behalf with the targets that are identified. So there's less cost than that. [2:44:23, 2:44:43]: um where you're having l to do less of the research in that part and getting to know your partners and understand them so you can make a better sales pitch. So as that cost reduces and we're still happy as working together and we are going forward with it, the cost will reduce as well. And what we have proposed is that as a percentage. Anytime we got kind [2:44:43, 2:45:03]: Contract renewal, we're always going to work to reduce the price as best we can to get best value that's out there and review that. So that is just a stated price that's out there, but it will not be an increase. Our agreement with retail strategies if we go forward together is that price will continue to decrease and the contributions would match the percentage. [2:45:03, 2:45:05]: percentages based on this initial form. [2:45:06, 2:45:13]: Okay, I'm gonna use a country. Okay, based off of the initial first thing. And all right. So my next question is. [2:45:16, 2:45:35]: Um how you just heard us we voted for um a strategic plan throughout economic development. With that being said, and they're gonna do their research on what's specifically needed for the city of Stockbridge. How would this coincide and work with hand in hand? [2:45:36, 2:45:56]: So I think one, it gives you additional eyes on the retail side with retail expertise uh with the firm. But second, different from the proposal that's there, and I have not read their proposal, so let me um let me disclaim that right up front. But knowing the firm, and I've known Mr. Pike for a long time, uh [2:45:56, 2:46:16]: In there is well qualified, but they do not do the actual retail recruitment piece. Uh going out to the ICSC, going out uh working with their already established clients and relationships they have with the real retail real estate offices as they've worked with other jurisdictions across the southeast and nationally, they have those relationships. So as they grow. [2:46:16, 2:46:28]: going in, having their meetings. They will be including um you just I think you mentioned Stockbridge. Um Starbucks. Again, long day and I'm down on caffeine. Um but Starbucks is out there. [2:46:29, 2:46:37]: They will understand where in stop bridge right now that your zoning is going to say. And as you identify other areas that complements [2:46:38, 2:46:45]: And helps promote more targets for them. So when you say, okay, that's your target, we want it on 138. [2:46:45, 2:47:05]: They're going to making the pitch that's out there. But they also have a trusted relationship and they can get indoors. That's tougher for myself or Kim or anybody else, Fred, anybody else out there, because they already have established relationships and a successful record with those retailers that we're looking for. They can also advise us with those that this community. [2:47:05, 2:47:07]: [10028.0, 10029.1]: Why you're not there yet? [2:47:09, 2:47:14]: Um what are those steps to go forward? And I think that's part of the feedback as well too that they can provide. [2:47:15, 2:47:17]: 'Cause they actually work with the clients that are the targets. [2:47:17, 2:47:24]: Well, I and so I appreciate your answers to that. Now the questions are about to get a little bit harder. [2:47:25, 2:47:26]: Okay. All right. [2:47:26, 2:47:28]: Just a little bit. [2:47:29, 2:47:37]: This is a collaboration effort and it looks like in our contract in the agreement it says that you have exclusive [2:47:38, 2:47:42]: Um oh clause number two, I believe. You have exclusive [2:47:45, 2:47:45]: Control. [2:47:46, 2:47:56]: And we also have a chair of a development authority here in the city. How will you collaborate with our chair here, our development authority citywide development authority? [2:47:57, 2:48:16]: If you are exclusive, explain to me what actually takes. What that clause is is to make sure we are the entity that holds retail strategies accountable that they are performing to the guidance of what our investors are looking for per this agreement. We're making sure the meetings are happening. So when the meetings are coming. [2:48:17, 2:48:37]: My communication and pretty much every time I think Mr. Gardner can attest goes through to City Manager's office, how he distributes and allocates that is that you know he's gonna direct that uh on that end. But that has been our established line of communication. That is what we're doing with Locust Grove, that is what we're gonna do with McDonough. [2:48:37, 2:48:38]: That is what we're gonna do with the county. [2:48:39, 2:48:41]: Hasn't McDonough approved this yet? [2:48:41, 2:48:52]: What's that? Has the city of McDonough approved this yet? The city of McDonough does have it on their agenda on the seventeenth. Uh the mayor has expressed um that uh she is in favor of the proposal. [2:48:52, 2:48:53]: Okay. [2:48:53, 2:48:56]: And in regards to [2:48:58, 2:49:18]: passing down information because we have a city development authority. My biggest concern is that at times we've had somewhat of a and it's pretty much public um strained relationships with the county. Although you are a separate entity, the development authority is a separate [2:49:18, 2:49:21]: How are we? [2:49:23, 2:49:43]: to determine, you know, we want a specific retail, how do you go about marketing to represent Stockbridge and we know that it's being fair. Where for instance, when um for instance there was an incident that we've received notice of down at the state of the county address. [2:49:43, 2:50:03]: Where we had some developers and some guests on behalf of our city, our city development authority. And one of the developers or someone mentioned that you approached them and stated that we're not, they're not the real entity. [2:50:03, 2:50:19]: that they don't have any authority, that they're not constitutional, that you're the constitutional. And basically that was one incident or the second incident where we've received information that [2:50:21, 2:50:22]: You [2:50:23, 2:50:31]: Evidently notified the regional marketing director who was gonna come down here and just simply brief and educate. [2:50:32, 2:50:49]: our economic develop our d downtown develop our development authority just just just to educate. And at some point they sent an email and canceled saying that apparently there's some strains between the city and the county authorities. [2:50:49, 2:50:56]: Now I can be transparent and say I was not necessarily for a development authority originally. [2:50:56, 2:50:58]: City wide because [2:50:59, 2:51:05]: My concern was that we would bump heads with the counties and that there would be conflicts. But there's also [2:51:07, 2:51:24]: And understanding the way I run things is once something's approved, whether I agree with it or disagree with it, if the vote goes through, then I support the best way I can. And my biggest concern, Mr. Finn, is the fact that [2:51:25, 2:51:27]: I was told that you approach these people. [2:51:27, 2:51:34]: And and if that is the case, how can I trust you to approach people on our behalf? [2:51:35, 2:51:38]: in the city for the city some at some other time. [2:51:39, 2:51:41]: When we are sh we should all be working together. [2:51:42, 2:51:45]: And it's it's actually a really big disappointment. [2:51:45, 2:51:53]: And I was privy to hear a little bit of discussion yesterday. And I know that Hampton voted that down. That's on them. I I get it. [2:51:54, 2:52:09]: But I'm also privy to hearing information such as maybe realtors coming out to people's homes and saying, Hey, if you D annex from this city or particularly, then we will buy your property. [2:52:10, 2:52:11]: And that it was sent. [2:52:12, 2:52:16]: I have I have issues to worry about whether or not [2:52:17, 2:52:26]: This will be in the best interest of the city or the county. So at some point we have to have a breaking point. We have to have a point where the county and the city [2:52:26, 2:52:35]: says we are one Henry and we're gonna do what's in the best interest of one Henry regardless. But I can't say that that's the case right now. [2:52:36, 2:52:40]: Not when I had to spite for lost dollars and stuff that I deserved. [2:52:41, 2:52:48]: not when I have to go through certain things and I get letter basically stating that [2:52:51, 2:52:58]: They declined attending a CDA board meeting due to an apparent strong rift between the city and the county. [2:53:01, 2:53:05]: that was stated not by our city. [2:53:05, 2:53:08]: Why development authority, but by you. [2:53:11, 2:53:16]: So how do I know you're gonna look out for my best interest if we have guests coming in town? [2:53:17, 2:53:21]: At a dinner in our house at Merrill Manders. [2:53:24, 2:53:25]: And you tell them [2:53:26, 2:53:28]: I'm the real deal, not them. [2:53:30, 2:53:30]: Mm-hmm. [2:53:31, 2:53:32]: That's a problem for me. [2:53:38, 2:53:44]: Okay. Well, I'll say this on a few matters. Number one [2:53:45, 2:53:48]: Yeah, we've been attacked by members of this council on social media. [2:53:49, 2:53:50]: I'll go there. [2:53:51, 2:53:53]: Did we complain publicly? No. [2:53:54, 2:53:55]: We did. [2:53:55, 2:53:56]: We continue to do our job. [2:53:57, 2:54:11]: Our job is countywide. We've disagreed with our county commission before. We've been here for Stockbridge before, over the years. We come in and help get y'all out of a mess years ago. And though we used our tools to make sure we got things back in line for you. [2:54:12, 2:54:12]: Number one. [2:54:13, 2:54:16]: Number two, we've brought businesses here. [2:54:17, 2:54:19]: We brought in Hegla recently in a few years. [2:54:20, 2:54:23]: But we co and we show up, we try support. [2:54:24, 2:54:39]: There's no acknowledgement of the work and I did not do that. That was my predecessor on that one. I was about to say that wasn't that you. That was that was your predecessor. Full full credit. Right. Full credit there. And we've continued to support them and encourage them to grow and expand. [2:54:39, 2:54:43]: We continue to do that to this day. We were just before this council in December. [2:54:45, 2:54:46]: I think it's December. [2:54:47, 2:54:50]: Maybe it was November. I've I've it's been a while. [2:54:50, 2:55:00]: But part of what when we recently had, I think our last time that we were together, our boards, uh the city council and our development authority board, you said you want higher tech jobs. [2:55:00, 2:55:03]: We came back, gave your staff feedback. [2:55:03, 2:55:11]: on that, things that needed to be done. We understood what your pain points were as well too and advised and gave you technical assistance on on that as well too. [2:55:12, 2:55:13]: So [2:55:13, 2:55:15]: With that being said. [2:55:15, 2:55:18]: I think we've delivered. If we did not want to partner. [2:55:20, 2:55:20]: Why are we here? [2:55:22, 2:55:38]: That's part of that. And I'll say, you know, as well too, I know that there's some in the Can you answer the question in regards to the incidents that took place recently? That didn't sound like a partnership. That sounded like a downer. And that's unfortunate because [2:55:39, 2:55:45]: Well here. I looked up to I looked up to you as being a team player. And I but to come to our [2:55:45, 2:55:49]: Uh to to come to our Merrill Manders. [2:55:49, 2:55:50]: And [2:55:51, 2:55:54]: There can council on our g tell our guest. [2:55:55, 2:56:03]: Councilman, I I mean about the place who can't on our behalf. I may if I may be a point of order. What's your point of order, sir? [2:56:04, 2:56:06]: My point of order is [2:56:06, 2:56:08]: We have something in front of us. [2:56:09, 2:56:16]: And if there's some personal feelings or stuff that need to be had out, that needs to be done behind closed doors. Thank you. [2:56:16, 2:56:20]: We have an agenda in front of us, and I said that before. [2:56:20, 2:56:22]: We need to stick to the agenda. [2:56:23, 2:56:43]: What he said, she said, and however it went down, deal with that behind closed doors, but I expect you, Mayor, to conduct a meeting pertaining to the agenda. I appreciate that. Mr mister Fan Finn f answered uh respond to the last commitment that you're going to do. Yes, I'll respond to this. Anyone can say anything at any time. I mean, you gotta prove in a burning. [2:56:43, 2:56:45]: Yeah, beyond the burden of proof, number one. [2:56:45, 2:56:49]: And I think also as well too, we are currently working [2:56:49, 2:56:54]: To try to bring the businesses in to the county there sites that are in Stockbridge. [2:56:55, 2:56:56]: I think [2:56:56, 2:56:57]: What we talked last week. [2:56:59, 2:57:01]: And we're trying to figure out a solution for one. [2:57:02, 2:57:04]: That'd be a big investment into this county. [2:57:04, 2:57:06]: Something that this council decided. [2:57:06, 2:57:08]: If there was that much animosity [2:57:09, 2:57:10]: And that much [2:57:11, 2:57:13]: Cutting the knees and whatnot. [2:57:13, 2:57:19]: We have stayed focused despite attacks left and right for years, even from some of our own county commissars. [2:57:20, 2:57:21]: Continuing to go forward. [2:57:22, 2:57:24]: Have stood up to help. [2:57:24, 2:57:27]: Пут а уніфет меседж і нас кані. [2:57:27, 2:57:30]: Showing that we're trying to work together, even though [2:57:30, 2:57:31]: There hasn't been. [2:57:32, 2:57:36]: And to the point as well too, when y'all were in a very [2:57:37, 2:57:38]: Tough splash negotiation. [2:57:39, 2:57:43]: That mayors and chairs group wanted to council the meet. We came together and said no. [2:57:44, 2:57:48]: We're gonna get focused on this issue, on this project,'cause it's what we all want. [2:57:49, 2:57:50]: We're carrying it forward us out there. [2:57:51, 2:57:56]: So there's accountability. Your city manager's gonna hold accountable'cause we don't want this to be a one year contract to gone. [2:57:57, 2:58:02]: We need a unified front because that's what the outside market wants to see. [2:58:02, 2:58:04]: And yeah. [2:58:04, 2:58:07]: Other things, personalities, et cetera, it's out there. [2:58:08, 2:58:10]: Yeah, as well too. [2:58:10, 2:58:11]: I mean there's some that [2:58:13, 2:58:14]: We'll get in a [2:58:15, 2:58:17]: We flat out disagree. [2:58:18, 2:58:32]: You know one of'em I'm talking about recently. We ended that discussion shaking hands. And we said to each I' and she addressed me on something personal. Please let me finish. We shook hands. I said, whenever. You wanna sit down, we'll sit down. Tell me when. [2:58:33, 2:58:34]: When that. [2:58:35, 2:58:38]: So I've delivered for this county personally. [2:58:39, 2:58:53]: We're gonna announce this week a billion dollars in the last 12 months in our FY investment. We don't care where it goes. It's where real estate determines where it goes. Y'all want a CID? We're about to approve approve the first CID. [2:58:53, 2:58:58]: in this county to go active. We partnered with the C Locust Grove. We did it in under a year. [2:58:59, 2:59:00]: Okay. Out there. [2:59:01, 2:59:15]: When Mr. Peterson was in the previous seat before Mr. Alliance, every time, hey, come tag along with me to this thing. Because I knew that was a target, certain areas. Or you need to go to this. I can't go. [2:59:15, 2:59:17]: This is your target market. [2:59:17, 2:59:20]: Even when stuff was flying at us. [2:59:20, 2:59:24]: Left and right. And we got we got screenshots, we got print. [2:59:25, 2:59:27]: We know about other things that have been said. [2:59:28, 2:59:29]: They haven't been out there. [2:59:30, 2:59:33]: Yeah, we we're the ones that said [2:59:34, 2:59:39]: You know, when there was an unfortunate situation, we try to make the best of it between our entities. [2:59:40, 2:59:43]: We said, let's get it here and part of the sales pitch to get approval. [2:59:43, 2:59:47]: was we at least get something going on Jodico interchange. [2:59:48, 2:59:50]: With two hundred jobs and daytime traffic. [2:59:51, 2:59:53]: I am constantly [2:59:53, 2:59:56]: Yeah, with the city administrator and communications. [2:59:57, 2:59:58]: How can we help? [2:59:58, 3:00:00]: And he's asked for some help on some things. [3:00:01, 3:00:03]: Are they publicly sexy? No. [3:00:04, 3:00:08]: But I'll pick up the phone and call if I've got the contact. Say here's who you need to call. [3:00:09, 3:00:10]: They're expecting your call. [3:00:12, 3:00:15]: So y'all are our responsibility as well. [3:00:16, 3:00:22]: And we don't I think our authority for years has proven [3:00:23, 3:00:24]: District lines don't matter. [3:00:25, 3:00:34]: Municipal, unincorporated, that's just really a zoning and services issue. Our job, keeping in the county. [3:00:34, 3:00:38]: And make it happen, and we have delivered on that promise continuously. [3:00:39, 3:00:45]: And I'm there. And you and I've had some long talks before. And any time these comes up, you've got my number. [3:00:46, 3:00:46]: Um [3:00:47, 3:00:49]: You know I'm not afraid to talk to you. Right. [3:00:49, 3:00:53]: So I agree with Councilman Blitz. Some things [3:00:53, 3:00:56]: There need to be some there probably needs to be some sit downs. [3:00:56, 3:00:58]: Okay. Here in the near future. [3:00:59, 3:01:02]: Ба філсо десь на оpportunity. [3:01:02, 3:01:03]: We feel. [3:01:04, 3:01:06]: This is an opportunity to show the outside market. [3:01:08, 3:01:11]: There's some uniformity here trying to work together. [3:01:11, 3:01:16]: And we're also not trying to butt heads with each other. That's the other great thing that we want this because we don't want [3:01:17, 3:01:22]: Locust grove, stockbridge, mc you know, we don't want our jurisdictions running into each other. [3:01:22, 3:01:26]: And causing each other harm when it comes to retail. We all want it. [3:01:27, 3:01:28]: We really all want it. [3:01:29, 3:01:30]: And there's different things that are wanted. [3:01:31, 3:01:32]: But [3:01:33, 3:01:39]: Yeah, part of what's helping bridges is the success of South Point, Henrytown Center, and around Tanger. [3:01:39, 3:01:51]: If they do well, people are looking for the next opportunity. That's in there. There's available land. And we're the ones that push it. And there's successes. Um, we're gonna wait for the company to say it. [3:01:52, 3:01:53]: But we're involved. [3:01:54, 3:01:55]: Early on in that. [3:01:56, 3:01:58]: I have a former board member who can test to it. [3:01:59, 3:02:00]: You know, that we assisted. [3:02:00, 3:02:01]: With that retailer. [3:02:02, 3:02:07]: Just making the case. And our statement to them, we don't care where you go, as long as you go within the boundaries of this county. [3:02:08, 3:02:09]: We don't care. [3:02:10, 3:02:11]: Just locate. [3:02:11, 3:02:14]: But how can we convince you that this is the spy? [3:02:14, 3:02:21]: That's what we've done. We continue to do it. And the results are in our record and will continue to be. [3:02:23, 3:02:42]: Uh any further questions from the council? Yes. Let me just say this. There's a trust issue here and it's deep. And that's kind of what the real issue is, is that you know, we talk about a lot of numbers. You say there was a billion dollars in development. How much of that billion dollars came to stock breed? End of that, probably about [3:02:45, 3:03:05]: I gotta go back and look. There were about two of two of the this year, right? Physical year. FY. Physical year. Our physical year. We report a fiscal year. We report a calendar year. Right. So two of those uh were expansions, uh, one of them is now in this city. Uh that came wasn't in the city originally. [3:03:05, 3:03:25]: So an extent and if you yeah and it again, but it's also too where is available space. Right. Where is available space? Y'all don't have a lot of available space uh that's out there. Your vacancy for larger employers is very small. [3:03:25, 3:03:25]: Any. [3:03:26, 3:03:33]: uh that's out there. So you're basically a full market uh right now minus the Candler Road building. [3:03:33, 3:03:35]: Which I know has been a headache. [3:03:35, 3:03:48]: uh for everybody. But one of the first things when that was coming down there, I don't know if you remember our conversation, uh right after it, hey, if you're stuck with it, we can help get a manufacturer in there so it's less impact. [3:03:48, 3:03:53]: to the area versus distribution centers, which is targeted and we've got a very good success record on that. [3:03:55, 3:03:59]: So we have done things in the past has been when there's availability as well. [3:04:00, 3:04:10]: Okay. And some of the bigger economic development, are you are are you related are you in any way involved in the development, the medical complex coming on North Park Trail? [3:04:11, 3:04:31]: Are they involved in that, Mr. Gardner? We're not directly involved in that. So mostly what we do in medical, we work very closely with Piedmont Henry leadership. And part of what we do as we bring in jobs, they bring in paid insurance. And the medical professions are looking for paid insurance. [3:04:31, 3:04:51]: Market share that's in there. And we have a tremendous growth record showing that. And they look at us as a collaborate, all of us as a countywide market, and actually regional market too, with some of the neighboring counties as well. So in those types of instances, we're more given the market case, not necessarily where [3:04:51, 3:05:11]: Where the real estate they pick that's in there. If they ask for us, we'll give them what's available, connect them with their uh the buildings representatives as necessary. Okay, so again. But we have been instrumental in all this expansion in Piedmont Henry. We were involved in um what's the rehab is? [3:05:11, 3:05:16]: I still wanna call it Health South. [3:05:17, 3:05:19]: Down on um Patrick Henry. [3:05:20, 3:05:31]: Encompass. Encompass, thank you. Yep. We were heavily involved in that, advocating on the C O N for that, uh in partnership with the hospital authority and uh entities who wanted that. [3:05:31, 3:05:40]: Fortunately that's not in the city. But of course that's very close to the city. Maybe one day it might be. [3:05:40, 3:06:00]: So hopefully maybe one day it may actually be there. So, you know, the only other the other concern that I have is the we know we're we're politicians in a political dynamic. You know, we just came through a situation where we got all these entities working together and understanding what we're doing is [3:06:00, 3:06:03]: I'm sorry, my microphone was off. What we're doing is actually working. [3:06:03, 3:06:08]: You know, w we have a disagreement in this county about density. [3:06:08, 3:06:28]: The only reason we were able to attract what we've been able to attract is because of the density that we've placed on Jodico and this density that we just approved tonight. And with the other developments that are coming. We just had uh a moratorium on that type of development that really kind of stifled countywide development. [3:06:28, 3:06:48]: So it really kind of put us in a position of, you know, when we're going to the table and we're trying to put present one picture of what we want in Henry County, and we got commissioners down in Locals Grove that don't want any high density at all. And then we got this part over here that does want high density. [3:06:48, 3:07:08]: Density, uh, or we do want density because we understand in order to get Whole Foods, in order to get these substantial upscale developers, you gotta have density in that. But we have a political dynamic where we're butting heads with uh, you know, the elected because [3:07:08, 3:07:28]: They're in a position where they're not really that supportive of the d the type of development we believe that's going to bring the substantial retail that we want here. So it is there's certain amounts of this that are under your control, but there's some that are not under your control. [3:07:28, 3:07:32]: And that is our big my biggest concern is is that [3:07:37, 3:07:46]: your bosses, which technically are I guess are your separate entity, but at the same time they appoint your members. And we've seen members [3:07:47, 3:07:50]: removed from the board politically. [3:07:50, 3:08:07]: uh at different states of time because the commissioner decided they wanted somebody else. And that dynamic cannot be ignored. And we do have our own citywide development authority here now. So what would their role be in um this proposal? [3:08:08, 3:08:22]: So this proposal is bringing the firm in to work for us, identify targets with the jurisdictions, and go out recruit collectively. That is in that. How that [3:08:22, 3:08:28]: their interaction with the city to identify the targets based on that, that is a [3:08:28, 3:08:31]: to see manager and counsel [3:08:31, 3:08:32]: with an internal [3:08:32, 3:08:49]: goals that are in there. Our job is to make sure that they are communicating on a regular basis with the city manager and as that is established and evolves in that part. So that's where um that communication and goals go and lie. [3:08:50, 3:09:00]: Okay as to your as to your other statement, I do want to address that as well too. Um we have a lot of independence, but our goals [3:09:01, 3:09:05]: And our board has been very adamant that we have a county wide mission. [3:09:06, 3:09:08]: Um you have two city residents on our board. [3:09:09, 3:09:13]: One is the chairman of the board. He also chairs the your public facilities authority board. [3:09:15, 3:09:21]: That's out there. So there are folks who want on our board who want this to happen [3:09:21, 3:09:24]: To work collectively in that regard. [3:09:25, 3:09:34]: that's in there. The planning and zoning decisions are made by the jurisdictions. That is giving us guidance on when opportunities come, where can we put them? [3:09:35, 3:09:46]: That is all that is. If some areas want density, some don't, that's fine. We respect that um wish that's in there that identifies targets and where we can place them. [3:09:47, 3:09:51]: to that, you know, and and to the point. Sometimes there's opportunities that are out there. [3:09:52, 3:09:54]: That the Zernin maybe [3:09:54, 3:09:55]: Not there yet. [3:09:56, 3:10:12]: So we go to the manager and ask and have a discussion with staff initially, is this something that your leadership would want to entertain or not in that regard? We do a lot of things behind the scenes. [3:10:12, 3:10:13]: Um and that's [3:10:14, 3:10:34]: How economic development is done by the pros that's in there. But we have been very respectful to those planning zoning decisions and those targets that are out there. As one municipality added industrial, they asked for go and get as much manufacturing as you can because we're about our [3:10:34, 3:10:36]: tax base and we've been very successful in that. [3:10:37, 3:10:39]: In honor that wish of the city of Locust Grove. [3:10:39, 3:10:43]: But they also too recognize the benefits of this. [3:10:44, 3:10:49]: that the seventy five corridor altogether, if it's a strong corridor from top to bottom. [3:10:49, 3:10:51]: And doing well, everybody's gonna win. [3:10:52, 3:10:56]: And the sales tax pot is very important to all jurisdictions. [3:10:56, 3:10:58]: They're out there. So this is growing it. [3:10:58, 3:11:03]: And for a minimal investment of ten thousand dollars in change in the first year. [3:11:04, 3:11:07]: just one successful retailer coming in with sales tax. [3:11:07, 3:11:19]: collections coming in, the ROI is tremendous. Um potential that is out there. But this helps us, gives us an extra voice that's out there, and you're getting it at one eighth of the cost. [3:11:20, 3:11:26]: Will our board member the the would your chair be involved? [3:11:28, 3:11:30]: So uh Irv. [3:11:31, 3:11:32]: He's coming to that point now. [3:11:39, 3:11:40]: Earth Cold Pepper. [3:11:40, 3:11:46]: Chair of the development authority and the public facilities authority. Yes, sir. Um yes, it is [3:11:47, 3:11:51]: А май комитмент о бор то іншо. [3:11:51, 3:12:03]: That everyone in the county is treated fairly and that we will work collaboratively with whoever you designate. We have been working with Fred. [3:12:03, 3:12:07]: Uh and he is essentially the point on this project. [3:12:07, 3:12:13]: But uh it's our intent to work collaboratively with everyone, all the cities. [3:12:15, 3:12:23]: So I live in Stockbridge, by the way. Certainly. So would each city have a representative um [3:12:25, 3:12:45]: Potentially. I know um uh maybe our city wide chair or someone um from each city would have some representation. I don't think um I'm I'm jumping the gun maybe here, but I'm thinking our city manager would be the representative point guy. I don't think. Yes, council member, it it'll be between me and Kim Alons. [3:12:45, 3:12:50]: Kim Alan Serve is our economic development director and by de facto he's also our economic uh [3:12:51, 3:13:10]: person for the citywide development authority and the the downtown development authority. So whatever information comes to me goes to him or I designate him as that person because I've got so much other stuff to do. The issue is who's sitting in that room when the decisions and the communications are being made [3:13:10, 3:13:12]: To this entity. [3:13:13, 3:13:15]: It'll be me and Kim. [3:13:16, 3:13:27]: I'm saying you're getting the information from the development authority. Who's in the room having the meeting to initially besides Mr. Um Josh? [3:13:31, 3:13:51]: So part of what this proposal does, again, it it outsources this to retail strategies. There's an individual by the name of Mill Graves, who will be the point of contact on that. Mill has worked in the state of Georgia for well over a decade. Um and actually even ran one of the statewide utility economic development shops. [3:13:51, 3:13:56]: uh for three years. Uh so he has a tremendous background and record. So he will be [3:13:56, 3:13:59]: Executing the plan. Part of what you are buying into [3:14:00, 3:14:20]: in what is the stop bridge portion, he will be communic basically once the introduction is made, he already knows uh Mr. Gardner. Um that kind of may may may I finish please? Yeah. So it will go to Mr. Gardner initially. And part of as this is developed because there is a [3:14:19, 3:14:39]: A legislative action and a financial action, that's where the managers have been heavy in that regard because that is what the mayor the leaderships of the uh agencies who got together to propose this agreed on as well too, uh in that. So as this is going, that is designated. He [3:14:39, 3:14:47]: Mr. Gardner designates Mr. Alliance to take point on that. That is the communication there between him and the consultant. [3:14:47, 3:15:07]: My job will be making sure that the consultant is communicating with Mr. Alance on that, or Mr. Young, or whoever he designates in Locust Grove, or um Steve's license, Mr. Morgan right now, and McDonough in his point, um, or whoever he designates. Uh [3:15:07, 3:15:21]: in that role. So that's how we'll be directly with the cities. They would be communicating directly with the city staff uh as that is uh designated by their manager. And that manager is probably gonna be getting count guidance from his council. [3:15:22, 3:15:23]: On that direction. [3:15:23, 3:15:43]: So our role is mainly just to make sure that the contract is being held up, that the information and communication is going, uh, that the targets are identified and the contract in progress is being executed. Uh we will probably be the designee for the unincorporated portion, probably locust grove as well too. [3:15:43, 3:16:03]: And we're not sure on McDonough yet which way they want to go with it as well. We're happy to do what we need to do on our end to make that happen. But our primary role is to make sure that this is enforced and that what is in the contract is being met. But it's also gathering, getting feedback from the participants as well. [3:16:03, 3:16:14]: well too that they're um satisfied with this um so that we can continue to move forward and if we're not satisfied with it we won't move forward uh in that. [3:16:16, 3:16:17]: Yeah, a question from the council. [3:16:19, 3:16:23]: We're good. All right, so if no other questions I need a motion to accept this proposal. [3:16:26, 3:16:28]: So move was Mr. Blount, okay, is there a second? [3:16:30, 3:16:32]: Ms. Barber Secondett, all in favor, please indicate. [3:16:33, 3:16:34]: Favorite motion. [3:16:35, 3:16:39]: Okay, three you uh you you good, Mr. Thomas? [3:16:39, 3:16:39]: Well [3:16:42, 3:16:47]: Let me say this. Go ahead. [3:16:48, 3:16:49]: That I have is [3:16:51, 3:16:53]: The lingering [3:16:54, 3:17:00]: resentment, I guess if you will. And and I I I started to motion that we [3:17:01, 3:17:05]: Yes. Some of this could be sort of worked out and I don't know [3:17:07, 3:17:27]: If it would work out, you know, and I don't know. Uh, but I feel that there's something that's gonna prevent us from having that kind of relationship that we're all trying to go in the right direction for the city of Doug Breed and for the county. So that's why I'm just [3:17:26, 3:17:29]: a little reducing about [3:17:29, 3:17:31]: Go on for because I I just take it. [3:17:32, 3:17:52]: conversation still need to have and I I'm gonna agree with maybe not in a public forum like this but I think something just something needs to happen a better understanding because I was just reading here uh the scope of service um I received retail recruitment and and I have some [3:17:52, 3:18:12]: question but I just feel like now you answer those questions because it just seemed like that's something else that's gonna prevent us from even even going to to that point for trying to discuss and agree with what we have here on paper. And it's it's a little um [3:18:12, 3:18:21]: help the skeleton will. I don't know if if anybody on this council, even you all, feel the same way that we need to maybe [3:18:22, 3:18:28]: prefer and maybe sort of talk a little bit more, make sure we got a better understanding. I I I don't know. [3:18:28, 3:18:48]: Uh if I can I'll be happy to address that. So again, this is something that these entities feel that is an agreement that can work uh at least from a staff level of the managers uh and the heads of the governing bodies. [3:18:48, 3:18:52]: [11932.8, 11934.5]: Number one. Number two. [3:18:54, 3:19:14]: I feel very confident that the line of communication between myself and the city manager is very good in that. I think we have a good working relationship. There are some items that, you know, the council and our board or the council and the commission may have disagreements that has not stopped us one bit from communicating. [3:19:14, 3:19:20]: out there and having that communication in there. Everything that I've committed to Mr. Gardner since he's been here, I have done. [3:19:22, 3:19:35]: I'll I'm leaning on him a little bit, you know, on that if he wants to um disagree with me on that end. Um but we have done everything that we have said we're gonna do. This again [3:19:35, 3:19:39]: is us buying in collectively as a s you know, think of it a little bit as a co op. [3:19:40, 3:19:53]: uh in that. But in the contract it says that they have to communicate, you know, with the city staff. They have to get that feedback, identify the targets, bring that data in, and then go hunt those targets. Our role to that is making sure that they're doing that. [3:19:54, 3:20:05]: Well well let me just ask um my counsel mate, just based on my statement, and I don't want us to prolong because I know we've been here long enough, even on this subject itself, but [3:20:06, 3:20:26]: What is what is what is the feeling? Yeah. And I'm just I know let me let me ask let me ask it this way. I know Mr. Blount made the motion, but I'm sorta looking further down just to see because something like this, it should be unanimous, I think. I agree. [3:20:26, 3:20:34]: And then this is sort of what I'm feeling. And I don't want to really say no. I don't want to say yes, and I don't want to abstain. So [3:20:35, 3:20:36]: Um [3:20:36, 3:20:40]: Originally when this came to me, I thought this was good. [3:20:41, 3:20:52]: And then a lot of the other stuff came to me that I didn't really know about and and it did disturb me to be honest with you. And I'm not saying it's true or false. [3:20:52, 3:20:56]: But just the fact that it persists and it's there. [3:20:57, 3:20:58]: I just don't know. [3:20:58, 3:21:02]: And I I hear you, you know, you and Mr. Garden have a working relationship, but [3:21:02, 3:21:05]: But I still wanna feel that this council [3:21:05, 3:21:25]: is is in this as well as, you know, the other cities. And I don't and I'm not getting that from my councilmates, just to be honest with you. So but I see s some folk down on the end wanna respond to that. St stand by that. So I'd like to hear from I'm sorry. Let's we'll we'll head that way. Mr Blount, go ahead. I'm sorry. Mr Um one of the things that that we as a council need to s to [3:21:25, 3:21:30]: [12090.8, 12101.0]: What's the benefits is that gonna bring to the city? Personal feelings and personal uh all of this stuff, do that behind closed doors. Shake hands, hug, go out and get a cup of coffee. [3:21:42, 3:21:50]: But this right here, if it's gonna benefit the city and see all of this I I I'm just a realist and I'm just straightforward. That's who I am. [3:21:51, 3:21:56]: But when we keep talking about we need a unanimous decision, we just started a police department off of three votes. [3:21:57, 3:22:02]: So we're gonna pick and choose what's unanimous, what's not? We either move something forward or we don't. [3:22:03, 3:22:15]: I asked our city manager, what's the downsides? There's no downsides to this. And if you communicate with our city manager and you're not doing what you're supposed to do, he communicates with us and we're through with it. [3:22:15, 3:22:17]: No harm, no foul. [3:22:17, 3:22:25]: But if it works, what are the benefits to this? This council just approved a strategic plan. We got a TAD in place. [3:22:26, 3:22:38]: We got a development plan in place. We got all this stuff in place and now you're saying you're gonna add more to it. What is there to decide? We got all the tools we need to develop this city. [3:22:39, 3:22:43]: It's not about three votes. It's about whether we're gonna pass it or not. [3:22:44, 3:23:04]: All right. Let me continue on. Anything further? Yeah, let me just say this. There's a trust problem, and that trust problem needs to be overcome. So I'm I'm kind of in agreement with Councilman Thomas to continue the discussions. I don't want the program to be voted down because I think that's what we headed to tonight, because we don't have the votes for it. So I would [3:23:04, 3:23:09]: like to say that we table it and then continue the conversation. [3:23:09, 3:23:29]: To continue the conversation to resolve some of the behind the scenes issues, to understand how the city uh representation is going to be uh at the table when these meetings do occur with this entity, how it's going to move forward, and honestly, how our [3:23:29, 3:23:49]: Our develop our own development authority is going to be involved. In my eyes, they need to be involved. We selected them to represent the city and our interests. They need to be involved in some capacity for my support. So that's kind of where I am. [3:23:49, 3:24:09]: on this and and honestly they need to be involved in every deal that we do. So this is the initial deal, if it does go through, that we would agree that this partnership would work with you and our development authority and that's how it would work place going forward. It would not go forward. [3:24:09, 3:24:19]: with you coming to us making a recommendation, excluding our development authority. Every deal that goes forward now would include the development authority for the city. [3:24:20, 3:24:32]: What's the timeline on this? If we I'm sorry, I I'm real quick, Council uh uh Mayor. Um Councilmember Alexander, I I think when I opened up the first thing I said is what what is utilized here is gonna be utilized for through our development authority. [3:24:33, 3:24:33]: Um [3:24:34, 3:24:38]: Whether it's the D DA or or the or the city wide development authority. [3:24:38, 3:24:43]: That information is gonna be shared because we're the staff people between Kim and myself. [3:24:44, 3:24:53]: And so whatever we need to do to utilize our development authority, we're d we're we're to stop people for for that. What I'm saying is I want them in the room with you. [3:24:54, 3:24:55]: Yes sir. [3:24:55, 3:25:00]: Not not that you bring the information to them. I want them in the room too. [3:25:01, 3:25:21]: I this relationship is so fractured that I don't trust you. I'm sorry, I don't. And that's what my problem is with the development authority. I don't trust you. And uh we've had a lot of issues to come forward in the past pre pre before you and before Mr. Marshall, where I I personally had to go to Charlie Marshall. [3:25:21, 3:25:41]: Mosley, because there was not one stockbridge property listed on any development authority document. And that was in 2015, 2016. Nothing. That's how Hegler got approved. Because originally Hegler wasn't even listed on anything that the development authority had to do with. That was no accident. And for me to be made [3:25:41, 3:25:46]: comfortable on that and to get my vote, I need to make sure that I got somebody [3:25:47, 3:26:07]: In that room, in our development authority, in addition to you, Mr. Gardner, to sit at the table to make sure that our people are included. Because this is the first deal. There's gonna be more deals to come behind this. There's gonna be more deals to come behind this. And this needs to be the template on how you work with our. [3:26:07, 3:26:27]: Development authority every time. Not just this one time, every time. And any other deal that comes through us works with the two boards will work together in order to do that, uh, in order to move these deals forward. So I'm not saying that I'm against it, but I want to look at the details and in the interim of [3:26:27, 3:26:38]: if we can sit down and get the details right, we can bring this back if we table it tonight and then have the details be put in place on how the relationship is going to work going forward. [3:26:38, 3:26:58]: So my question is if if it's tabled, what's the timeline that you need? I know that uh local schools already approved this. The the Madonna I guess is meeting next week. So what what's the timeline? I forgot about the what what does that look like? The uh county has it on their August, their first August meeting um for approval uh and [3:26:58, 3:27:18]: They have indicated to us that uh they are gonna go forward uh with that. August what's what's the date? Uh first Tuesday in August on my calendar in front of me. I apologize. So we we have our meeting on first Monday. We have a work session later on this month and and we have a meeting on Monday, the first Monday in the month. So maybe we meet twice before they meet again. [3:27:18, 3:27:27]: And so there is an opportunity then to have some additional conversations that's the case, if that's viable. And I and again, let me go back and say this one more time. [3:27:28, 3:27:32]: This contract, what it does in this agreement, we are the [3:27:32, 3:27:37]: facilitator of the co op to the consultant. They come to the city. [3:27:40, 3:28:00]: He directs the city portion of it, how it goes, y'all make that decision. So our role is just more to collective to be the enforcer of the contract, making sure that what is in the contract is getting done. Uh in that. The city will decide what its targets are, where they want to go, and process the information as they come back. [3:28:00, 3:28:19]: and make their own decisions. Their reports and the environments in the document, those reports go to the city's representatives directly. Right. And obviously Fred can have wet in the room, whoever you designate, he designates. Right. So that's where that discussion is. It's not the overall discussion. The overall discussion is [3:28:19, 3:28:28]: Is the four in it or the five entities that are in this? Are they happy with the progress that is going? Because once this is approved. [3:28:28, 3:28:31]: We go. And then that's when it's enacted in there. [3:28:32, 3:28:35]: And then that's when they come to you guys, we're just enforcing the contract. [3:28:36, 3:28:39]: Mm in that regard. So I wanna make that very clear on that part. [3:28:40, 3:29:00]: Yes, ma'am, go ahead. Councilman Thomas to answer your question. I'm great with that. I think uh I agree. If we could just get some time to kind of iron out some issues that I've been privy to as well, and uh current that's why I address them. Um, one of my biggest concerns is what if, you know, yes. [3:29:00, 3:29:12]: Yes, let's say we agree with this program, but there just happens to be a development of some sort that just goes directly to our city development. Will they have to try to [3:29:17, 3:29:22]: worry about someone trying to tarnish that because it came to them and not directly through [3:29:23, 3:29:37]: You so I would I would I would I would say this. This this what this does again. What this does. So I we probably need to iron those things out is all all I'm saying. And I and I would like to talk to you about that. I'll be more than happy to do it tomorrow. [3:29:38, 3:29:38]: Um [3:29:39, 3:29:46]: If you are available, but I I do have some concerns, and I think that once we iron out those concerns. [3:29:47, 3:29:55]: Um, Miss Culpepper and and Mr. Uh Marshall, if we can all get together and iron those out, I think we'll be okay. [3:29:56, 3:29:58]: Can be tomorrow. I can be you need to respond to that, sir. [3:30:03, 3:30:18]: Yeah, I've I agree with what Councilman Blut said on some things and I'm holding to that, uh, in that regard. But again, with this proposal as it is, um, to go forward, again, it goes back to [3:30:20, 3:30:27]: We are just collaborating the money. We're taking the line share of the fee as well too. Y'all are coming in at a very paying [3:30:28, 3:30:29]: Yes. [3:30:29, 3:30:47]: Majority of that. We uh uh It's not about the money ten thousand dollars it's not about Councilman, you're interrupting me. You're interrupting me, I've not interrupted you, sir. Okay. So but um you know with that being said, we do not have to do this. We wanted to do this. [3:30:49, 3:30:52]: We wanted to do this. We feel it's that important. [3:30:52, 3:30:53]: That's in there. [3:30:54, 3:30:55]: Retail [3:30:56, 3:31:06]: As far as tax abatements, those types of things, there's less than one percent of development authority deals in this state that are tied to retail. [3:31:08, 3:31:13]: It is it is minor just because they don't meet certain thresholds to justify everything else is [3:31:13, 3:31:27]: We've been trying to be responsive to the human cry that we've heard for ri uh retail. Why don't we have this kind of retail or that kind of retail? So we put together a group that ex experienced [3:31:27, 3:31:38]: in developing those facts so they can disseminate, find out from the cities what the facts are, disseminate to you what the opportunities are. That's really all we're trying to do here. [3:31:38, 3:31:55]: I think it's a great idea. I'm not knocking the idea. I love the idea. We're not in the middle of this actually. It's gonna go directly to the city portion. I I love Mr. Culpepper. I love this idea. Thank you guys for coming up with it. I do. [3:31:55, 3:32:02]: I'm I again, I have concerns based off of what we've re information that we've received. [3:32:02, 3:32:04]: And that that bothers me. [3:32:05, 3:32:07]: That's all. All right. Mr. Thomas, please. [3:32:07, 3:32:08]: Um [3:32:09, 3:32:13]: And this this is my last statement on it. And I and I just wanna say this. Um [3:32:14, 3:32:15]: Mr. Finn, uh [3:32:16, 3:32:36]: You know, I I think I have a great relationship with you. I don't it's I don't know of anything that I can say negative about you. I and you know when we see each other, I mean my vibration is good. My it's spiritual that I receive from you is good. Uh Mr. Cole Pepper, I you know, I I know of you. We don't really have [3:32:36, 3:32:50]: a good relationship as far as working together. Uh Mr. Marshall, same thing. I've known him for a while and and I get good vibration and good spirits from him. And and and I I think uh [3:32:50, 3:33:10]: the makeup of this. I I think is really good. And and actually I was prepared to vote yes uh when this was approached to me. And I thought it was good and I still think it's good potentially. But what I don't want to happen and I don't I'm not saying this is going to happen, Mr. Finn, but but I d I don't want anyone, I don't want you or anyone [3:33:10, 3:33:11]: Mm. [3:33:11, 3:33:31]: uh on the board to have any kind of lingering resentment against the city because of and I you I know you mentioned that you've been bashed by some council member but I don't want that to to to to reside in your spirit and when there's a opportunity [3:33:31, 3:33:51]: opportunity whether say it may go to Starkbridge or McDonough, then it goes to McDonough just because of that lingering spirit that you may have. But but I just want to say you and I I get good you know spiritual vibration. I was just a little disappointed that this information [3:33:51, 3:34:11]: came to me because I hadn't heard that before and it really disturbed me. And then even tonight, some of the conversation, and it just it just, you know, just disturbed my spirit. And I just wish that we could sort of just do this. And, you know, Henry County and Stockbridge and all these cities, you know, we [3:34:11, 3:34:23]: We can go out there because Mr. Gardner knows all of the retail help and you know all of this stuff that's been mentioned that we want to come to Stybreed, any help that we can get. [3:34:23, 3:34:43]: To help us to bring these things to Stockbridge, I that's I'm in favor of that. But I do respect everybody's opinion. And that's where some of us get a little conflict. We all are elected, we all have an opinion, and I respect everybody's opinion. [3:34:43, 3:34:51]: Because I'm gonna stick strong to mine in the way I feel. And I don't, you know, another person's opinion, I respect that. [3:34:52, 3:34:53]: But at some point in time he [3:34:54, 3:35:14]: We have to go forward about what's best for the city of Starting. And that's what I try to do. What's best for the city of Startmore? Not my personal feeling about somebody or what somebody else said'cause I know how the he say and the she say and by the time it come full circle it's a whole different story. [3:35:14, 3:35:17]: So I don't really buy into that, but I just hate that we're sort of here. [3:35:18, 3:35:18]: No. [3:35:19, 3:35:20]: And I don't know. [3:35:21, 3:35:23]: You know, should we sort of [3:35:24, 3:35:26]: Take a fall back. [3:35:26, 3:35:43]: breathe a little bit, discuss it a little bit more and sort of come back. But I like this and I wanna vote for it, but I just sort of feel that we just need to come back to the table and just sort of just talk and make sure that everybody's good and that we can sort of just go forward. But now [3:35:44, 3:36:00]: I know we got a motion. I think we have a second. And I I saw Mrs. Barber's hand. She's the only one that has to be. No problem. I'm gonna yield. Ms. Barber, you have any comments you wanna make at all? All right, fine. So the the motion was made by you, Mr. Blount. [3:36:00, 3:36:01]: There was a second. [3:36:02, 3:36:03]: Yeah, was there a second? [3:36:06, 3:36:16]: There was the first and the second. Okay. And a motion was on too is to accept this proposal. So the motion still stands. Okay. Motion been made second. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:36:18, 3:36:19]: Our polls. [3:36:20, 3:36:21]: I abstain. [3:36:21, 3:36:24]: I I was almost staying. And I abstained because [3:36:25, 3:36:25]: Okay. [3:36:26, 3:36:32]: I agree with Councilman Thomas and I do have some concerns. I just want those ironed out. [3:36:32, 3:36:52]: Okay, so what okay, so it's two uh dash uh two zero three. Yes obviously the motion fails. I'll make a substitute motion. Okay, what's your substitute motion? My substitute motion is to do exactly what we've been discussing. We want this to pass five to zero. We're gonna continue the discussions with both boards and we're gonna [3:36:52, 3:37:12]: iron out the details and you can bring it b and it'll come back to us. Uh how much time do we need? Uh thirty days maybe? No. Yes sir. If I may, uh Councilman Alexander, I just recommend we we bring it back at the next session. At the next session? I don't want to I don't want to prolong. I just want to know how long it's gonna take to do that. But [3:37:12, 3:37:32]: Okay. Well we'll bring it back at the uh next meeting. Right. Where we work out the details to see how it's gonna be laid out. Well I I I w i I have some questions and some concerns that I just don't wanna I don't wanna speak it now. Right. We're gonna table it to the next meeting. We'll table it to the next meeting. It's twenty five July. Got my cell phone number at any time. [3:37:32, 3:37:41]: Yes, uh let me let me get that. I will. Twenty five twenty five July is our coun next council meeting. Uh my motion is to table it to the next meeting our work session. [3:37:43, 3:37:54]: Okay. I have a comment. Which is twenty five of July. And we got okay next meeting twenty five. The motion has been made by Mr. Allison Sega m by uh Miss Gantt. All in favor, please. I have a comment. I'm sorry, what's your comment, sir? [3:37:54, 3:37:55]: My comment is this. [3:37:56, 3:37:58]: We'll bring you back at the next meeting. [3:37:59, 3:38:01]: Hopefully everybody smiled at each other. [3:38:01, 3:38:03]: Hopefully everybody shake hands. [3:38:03, 3:38:06]: That still doesn't say you're gonna do what you're supposed to do. [3:38:08, 3:38:18]: Only thing that says you're gonna do what you're supposed to do is voting you in and to see what type of work you do. These are all formalities. All of this, we need five votes, we need this and that. [3:38:19, 3:38:21]: And we could we could bring you back in a month. [3:38:22, 3:38:29]: Sit you down, have coffee. Everybody say we love each other. That still doesn't determine you're gonna do what you're gonna do. [3:38:30, 3:38:35]: Those are the kind of games I don't play with the citizens, nor do I play on this council. [3:38:35, 3:38:41]: All right, anyway. [3:38:41, 3:38:42]: We're gonna [3:38:44, 3:39:04]: So that the details are being put in place so there's no ambiguity to where we're going to and to how we're going to get there. And there's no doubt that there's been some issues in the past. Hopefully we can put all of those issues to bed where we have all of us get in one room. [3:39:04, 3:39:24]: Talk about how we're gonna move forward and then actually do that. I don't just want to talk about it. I want to put it in writing so that everybody understands what their role is. And nobody is confused because you know we have seen in this city things go to McDonough, things go everywhere. [3:39:24, 3:39:44]: Everywhere else but us. We're trying to determine to do that. You can tell us, but you gotta show me that these developments are gonna come to this city, and I want my representative in the room at every opportunity. And I'm gonna insist upon that. So in the next couple of weeks, where we sit down and talk and have these meetings, and we come back. [3:39:44, 3:39:57]: And hopefully have a unanimous consent, then we want to have that spelled out. Hopefully you're agreeable to that and that once and for all, this will never be tolerated again where the city is disparaged in any way. [3:39:58, 3:40:02]: By anyone at the development authority. [3:40:03, 3:40:23]: I I certainly do understand that. But the client don't need to have somebody whispering negative thoughts in their ear, and that's unacceptable. We want to make sure that is put into the contract too. Clients pick the property. Yes, I'm very aware. All right, so we table this to for our next meeting with twenty five. [3:40:23, 3:40:35]: uh July and uh do we vote tomorrow but Thursday or Friday there's no vote yet all right the mo motions been made to table this all in favor of the motion please indicate [3:40:35, 3:40:47]: Close. Four. Four and and uh so promotion passed. Four uh four zero zero. And so we will table we'll have this at our next uh meeting which is twenty five July. Thank you. [3:40:50, 3:41:10]: All right, uh announcements and upcoming meetings and events. Council meeting will be held in the city council chambers meeting dates, locations, and times are subject to a change. Please visit the website WW City of Stockbridge dot com, Facebook page or contact City Hall offices seven seven zero three eight nine. [3:41:10, 3:41:30]: 7900 for any updates. Citywide Development Authority meeting second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, July 11th. Main Street Advisory Board meeting second Friday of each month. Welcome center located 1:30 north. Excuse me, 130. Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail, 9 a.m. July 5th. [3:41:30, 3:41:48]: 14th. Downtown Development Authority meeting third Tuesday of each month. Welcome Center 130 of Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail July 18th. U Council Advisory Committee meeting 630, third Tuesday of each month, and Levi Meeting Room City Hall July 18th. [3:41:49, 3:42:09]: City Council Work Session meeting last Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, July 25th. Planning Commission meeting, 6:30, the City Hall Council Chambers, fourth Thursday of each month. We should be July 27th. City Council meeting the second Monday of each month, 6 p.m. City Council, City Hall Council meeting [3:42:09, 3:42:29]: Council chambers, August 14th. New council meeting, 6 30 p.m. second Monday of each month, City Hall Levi Meeting Room, of course, August 14th. Upcoming city events and initiatives. Of course, join us for the food join us for the Food Truck Tasty Tuesday, 5 30 p.m. to 8 30 p.m. at Closet. [3:42:29, 3:42:49]: Clark Park and 111 Davis Road. Lots of great food and activities for everyone. Mayor Proto and Mayor Pro Tam Barber for Free Zuma every Saturday, 8 a.m. at Gardner Community Park on East Atlanta. And by the way, it's a very successful activity with Mayor Pro Tam earlier this week. We're collecting [3:42:49, 3:43:09]: I believe new new or use shoes, and these new or you shoes will be distributed during the city's back to school event, which is July 22nd. Join Councilman Thomas for Don't Stock, Don't Trash, Stockbridge centered around education highlighting. [3:43:09, 3:43:29]: the causes and effects of littering littering and illegal dumping. More information to follow on this aspect. Councilman Thomas is honored veterans with continuous salute all year long. Please send your pictures of veterans with their names, branch, rank, years of service at R. Rawls at City of Stockbridge-G A dot G O V. [3:43:28, 3:43:45]: Once again, join Councilman Thomas on Thursday, July 13th at 7 p.m. for District 2 Town Hall to discuss the installation of curved gutters and sidewalks in a tie street community. Location will be Trinity United Methodist Church, 112 Wilson Avenue. [3:43:46, 3:44:06]: Join Maripotem Barber or well we just talked about the Cake for Kick for Kids and that happened on July 15th. So that's where the the collection of those uh those shoes would be delivered during the back to school uh book bad and supplies, which is Saturday, July twenty second from eleven AM to one PM, and that'll be in the Stockbridge Amphitheater parking lot. [3:44:07, 3:44:27]: Uh attention to Stockbridge parents and students in the city of Stockbridge in partnership with the Stockbridge Youth Council will distribute free back to back school supplies once again, and that is the July twenty second. Uh join Councilman uh Blount for the Bingo Bash Wednesday, July nineteenth from noon at two excuse me from ten a.m. to twelve noon in Merman. [3:44:27, 3:44:47]: Conference Center on 111 Davis Road. Once again, that's Wednesday, July 19th. And join me and to meet the mayor on Monday, July 24th, 10 a.m. to noon. Please contact Rosland Rawls to schedule an appointment, 678-833-3348, or send her an email. [3:44:47, 3:45:07]: Email R. Rawls at city of Stockbridge dash G A.gov. And by the way, get your tickets for upcoming 2023 concert, Stockbridge Concert Series, The Bridge, by visiting StockbridgeAmp.com. One-person ticket office located at 4650 North Henry Boulevard, Thursday to Saturday. [3:45:07, 3:45:09]: one PM to five PM once again. [3:45:09, 3:45:21]: At the Amphitheater, forty six fifty North Henry Boulevard, come to the box office, we'll call and get your tickets Thursday through Saturday, one p.m. to five PM or go to StockbridgeAmp.com. [3:45:21, 3:45:27]: And uh obviously coming up uh here, m buy additional comments, but coming up uh of course this [3:45:28, 3:45:44]: Yes, sir. I have a couple couple. Stand by. Stand by. Stand by. Stand by. So uh in uh coming up this weekend you got Fantasia and Joe Saturday, which is sold out, Saturday the fifteenth. But the sixteenth is also Fantasia and Joe, which should be a showed out sold out show. I believe tickets are still available for that. [3:45:44, 3:46:04]: And of course we all still have the ongoing COVID-19. And so make sure you get vaccinated and boosted and take all the health type of things you need to be healthy. And uh let's see here. And I want you to know uh citizens that uh we had an outstanding uh 4th of July holiday celebration, free event, but we learned some lessons from that. So [3:46:04, 3:46:24]: So in reference to the amount of people, there's probably close to 6,000 folks that are in the in and around the amphitheater and this city hall area. So we're going to make some adjustments. Staff has already talked about this for our next free event, which will be Bridge Fest, which will be September 30th. So that'll be an outstanding event. [3:46:24, 3:46:44]: with uh food trucks and entertainment amphitheater and uh all types of games and and for the kids as well as crafts and arts and a lot of vendors. So we will make those adjustments of so otherwise when September 3rd comes around it'd be a better event for everybody included, all the visitors and all the citizens that come in to [3:46:44, 3:47:04]: Our downtown area around an amphitheater. And um let's see here. Oh, and by the way, I uh on a person more personal note, you realize I'm from St. Louis, Missouri, and I grew up on St. Louis Cardinals baseball, but I am a fan of the Atlanta Braves now, and they're doing fantastic things. Eight individuals, as you well know from the team, are now uh [3:47:04, 3:47:24]: Um going to the all-star game, been identified to go to all-star game. They're on an all-star break now. And the Braves have set outstanding records in the last couple of months for all the wins and amount of series wins and amount of home runs they've hit. And so I would imagine they keep this up. [3:47:24, 3:47:31]: No, once again, I grew up in Saint Louis. But that's all right, it's all good. I live here now. So go braves, do your thing and uh [3:47:31, 3:47:51]: The team is doing excellent. Ms. Alexander, you have something, sir. I just wanted to say uh thank you to the Mayor Pro Tem for setting up the sneaker drive. Uh our nonprofit organization, Community Development for Real People, has partnered uh with uh the young man Caleb and uh the church and Mayor Pro Tem. We're gonna be actually collecting [3:47:51, 3:48:11]: sneakers tomorrow at the food drive and next week. So tomorrow on July 11th and then again on July 18th from 10 a.m. to noon we'll be collecting additional sneakers. Uh all of them will be going to the same place to uh the school to the back to school event and we will be [3:48:11, 3:48:28]: Be doing that at 1781 Georgia Highway 42 North in McDonough at the CD4RP offices. So thank you and bring out your sneakers. And the thing about it is that we actually have an executive session, but I [3:48:28, 3:48:47]: need a quorum to vote on this. So uh Mr. Gardner, could you get a couple council members back at us so we can go through this process please? We do. Mayor Ford. We don't have a vote. We don't have enough people. Mayor Ford. Yes ma'am. Is the executive session for personnel litigation or which one? [3:48:47, 3:48:50]: Yeah, it's uh uh primary focus uh focus on personnel, is my understanding. [3:48:51, 3:48:58]: But w right now I can't close out the meeting and I can't do anything unless I have a quorum. I'd have I have do not have a quorum present. [3:49:08, 3:49:10]: Mm. [3:49:10, 3:49:11]: This is [3:49:13, 3:49:15]: What's my understanding is necessary? [3:49:19, 3:49:20]: Yeah, I'm doing it. [3:49:39, 3:49:47]: Thank you, Mr. Thomas. Um council, I need a motion to go into executive session to uh have s talk about some personnel issues. [3:49:48, 3:49:52]: Mayor Ford, I motion that we go into executive session for personnel matters. [3:49:52, 3:49:54]: Okay, is there a second to that? [3:49:56, 3:49:56]: I have a second. [3:50:00, 3:50:05]: Uh well we we we we'll let's I let's do personal, legal and real estate to make sure we cover it all. [3:50:06, 3:50:09]: Please. Okay, so I'm going to withdraw. [3:50:10, 3:50:10]: My motion. [3:50:11, 3:50:16]: I need a motion to go to executive session to make sure we cover legal personnel in real estate. [3:50:18, 3:50:19]: Do I have a soul moved? [3:50:24, 3:50:27]: All right, so if there were some moves, I would imagine we're not going to second session there. [3:50:28, 3:50:31]: So now if that's the case, then I need a motion to end our meeting. [3:50:32, 3:50:33]: So moved. Is there a second? [3:50:34, 3:50:35]: All in favor, please indicate. [3:50:37, 3:50:38]: Mr Mr. Thomas? [3:50:38, 3:50:41]: Are you in favor? All right. Meeting is now adjourned. God bless you. [3:51:15, 3:51:23]: [13883.8, 13887.0]: Yeah, yeah. Okay.

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2023-06-12 source: 2023-06-12_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:02:51, 0:03:11]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, if you don't mind, we're gonna get started with the meeting. And this is actually what you call our proclamation. This is our ceremonial part of our meeting here. The actual uh we're live right now on Facebook, by the way, just so you know that. So otherwise any type of conversation could easily picked up on the mic. Uh so otherwise we got a tight schedule, we've got several different proclamations. [0:03:11, 0:03:24]: we wanna read this evening and the comments for those individuals. And we're going to actually start tonight with Caribbean, National Caribbean American Heritage Month. And I know there's at least one individual here that's set to receive this. So come on up, man. Okay. [0:03:30, 0:03:32]: How are you doing? Thank you so much. [0:03:33, 0:03:50]: So once again this is a this is one of four for tonight and this is National Caribbean American Heritage Month. Whereas National Caribbean American Month uh is celebrated every June to honor and celebrate America's rich and diverse culture, which also includes the Caribbean American population. [0:03:50, 0:04:10]: People from this community have not only evolved the American culture, but also contributed greatly to the development of the nation in areas of science, medicine, small business owners, teachers, healthcare workers, military service members, community leaders, and so much more. Whereas the month was founded by Dr. Claire Nelson. [0:04:10, 0:04:30]: And was celebrated across the nation for the first time by the Institute of Caribbean Studies in 2000. However, the move to officially declare June as National Caribbean American Month started in 2004 when the legislative bill was passed by Congresswoman Barber Lee. The resolution was made official in 2006 when President George. [0:04:30, 0:04:40]: W. Bush signed a proclamation naming June as National Caribbean American Month. Whereas since our founding, Caribbean Americans, from Alexander Hamilton to Colin Powell, [0:04:40, 0:04:43]: Had contributed to the United States in the most profound ways. [0:04:43, 0:04:46]: Today path makers pathbreakers [0:04:46, 0:04:48]: Лайк супрім кортes. [0:04:48, 0:04:52]: Sonia Sodomayer continue advancing our work toward a more perfect union [0:04:53, 0:04:53]: Union. [0:04:54, 0:05:09]: Uh congratulations to Caribbean Americans for bringing tremendous hope and energy to bear as and whereas the Caribbean American Heritage Month is a chance to celebrate the rich diversity that covenant has brought us and to renew its promise of future generations of Caribbean Americans and for us all. [0:05:10, 0:05:30]: Now therefore I Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority, vested in me as the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members Elton Alexander, Ilana Barber, John Blount, Lakeese Ganon and Afonso Thomas, do hereby proclaim June 2023 as Caribbean American Heritage Month and encourage the Stockbridge community to join in celebrating the history, culture, and achievements. [0:05:30, 0:05:46]: of Caribbean Americans with their appropriate ceremonies and activities. In witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand on the great city of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the tenth day of June of the year of our Lord 2023, and I signed the proclamation along with our clerk Vanessa Holiday. [0:05:47, 0:05:49]: Thank you. [0:05:51, 0:05:54]: This this is good right here. Okay. All right. [0:06:00, 0:06:09]: Thank you. Now, before you go, I always offer individual getting a proclamation, any words of wisdom, any comments you want to make. Sure. So go right here, please. [0:06:09, 0:06:23]: All right, thank you all for having me, especially in the city of Startbridge, where our business is located at one sixty-five Burke Street. Our organization is here to help everyone. [0:06:23, 0:06:42]: Basically in America, who are undocumented to make sure that we have persons becoming legal citizens in the US. So we are here to extend our services to everyone in Henry County, in the state of Georgia, and we also assist in all 50 states. Thank you guys for having me. [0:06:44, 0:06:45]: Thank you. [0:06:48, 0:06:53]: The next proclamation I have is National Pride Month. I wasn't sure if anybody's here to receive this. [0:06:54, 0:06:55]: Okay. [0:06:58, 0:06:59]: Fantastic. [0:07:05, 0:07:25]: How are you? All right. National Pride Month, whereas in June 1969, a courageous group of Americans rose up to protect me to protest the violence and mortarization they faced in what became known as the Stonewall Uprising. Police had raided the Stonewall Inn, a gay bar located in New York City. [0:07:24, 0:07:44]: And for the next six days, they clashed with LGBTQI plus protesters who bravely stood their ground. The courage sparked a civil rights movement for the liberation of the LGBTQI plus community and changed our nation forever. Whereas during lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgesture, trans transgender queer. [0:07:44, 0:08:04]: And Intersects, LGBTQ, Pride Month, reflect on the progress we've made as a nation in the fight for justice, inclusion, and equality, while reaffirming our commitment to do more to support LGBTQI plus rights at home and abroad. Whereas all human beings are born free and equal. [0:08:04, 0:08:24]: Equal in dignity, dignity, and rights, LGBTQ individuals have an immeasurable, immeasurable impact to the cultural, civic, and economic success in our country. And whereas why society at large increasingly supports LGBTQ equality is essential to acknowledge that the need for education [0:08:24, 0:08:44]: Education, awareness remains vital to end discrimination and prejudice. And whereas the this nation has was founded on the principle that every individual has an infinite dignity and worth. The City of Stockbridge embraces his this principle and will continue to work to eliminate prejudice wherever it exists. Now, therefore I, Anthony S. Ford, [0:08:44, 0:09:04]: By virtue of authority of using me as the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and on behalf of City Council members Elton Alexander, Yolanda Barber, John Blount, Lakeese Gantt and Afonso Thomas, to hereby proclaim June 2023 as National Pride Month and call upon the Stockbridge community to recognize the achievements of the LGBTQI plus community and celebrate the great diversity of the community. [0:09:04, 0:09:18]: University in America. In witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand and a great seal to city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the tenth day of June in the year of our Lord 2023, and I signed us along with our clerk for Nessa Holliday. [0:09:33, 0:09:36]: And and as usual Oh oh excuse me. [0:09:40, 0:10:00]: All right. And comments if you'd like. Just clear it up to you. Um I am Lieutenant Driscoll. I'm in the patrol division here at Stockbridge Police Department as a member of the LGBTQIA community. Um it is a blessing and so I'm so happy that now there's more inclusion for people like myself. Um I'm actually newly married. [0:10:00, 0:10:06]: So I'm I'm trying to enjoy that experience as well, but I'm so thankful that Stockbridge supports us. All right. [0:10:07, 0:10:27]: I just want to say thank you. This is one of the things that the City of Stockbridge does and uh to include our diversity and our inclusion and our outreach and welcoming our Americ Welcoming America program. I think is incumbent upon [0:10:27, 0:10:47]: Heterosexual people like myself and others to reach out to the LBGTQ Plus community and let you know right here in the city of Stockbridge. Because it's easy, you know, a lot of times we see it as African Americans. We have people come to our church and tell us that racism is a problem in America. Well, we know that racism is a problem [0:10:47, 0:10:51]: is a problem in America. But sometimes we need others who [0:10:51, 0:11:11]: Uh, understand and sympathize with those uh communities, to understand that we need to speak up in that room and make sure that everybody feels welcome in this city. And we want to send out the unmistakable message that we are here and we understand and that we are with you, and to make sure that no one is discriminated against. [0:11:11, 0:11:17]: against in any place in any pocket of the city of Stockbridge at all. Thank you. [0:11:25, 0:11:45]: And what is next is actually a proclamation for Juneteenth, and we're gonna of course Juneteenth's on June nineteenth, obviously. And uh before I start reading this, I wanna let you know that obviously we're gonna have a great uh event, Juneteenth Celebration Amphitheater, uh which starts at uh three o'clock on Monday and have a whole litany of uh artists. [0:11:45, 0:12:05]: And food trucks and games for the kids and bouncy houses, things of that nature. So a great celebration has come up in a few days. Actually, one week from today, matter of fact. On that note, whereas on June 19th, 1865, about two months after the Confederate General Robert E. Lee surrendered at Appomattox, Virginia, Gordon Granger, the Union general, arrived in Galvan. [0:12:05, 0:12:11]: in Texas to inform enslaved African Americans of their freedom and that the Civil War had ended. [0:12:12, 0:12:32]: General Granger's announcement put into effect the Emancipation Proclamation issued on January first, eighteen sixty three by President Abraham Lincoln. And whereas word about the signing of Emancipation Proclamation was delayed some two and two and a half years to June nineteenth, eighteen sixty five. [0:12:32, 0:12:46]: five in searching excuse me in reaching authorities and African Americans in the South and the Southwest Western part of the United States. Whereas the last uh enslaved African Americans in Texas were pronounced free people and that m uh Mamonis Mamon [0:12:47, 0:12:49]: All right, for get it right. [0:12:50, 0:13:10]: A great moment, a great celebration date, right? June nineteenth, eighteen sixty-five, had been proclaimed as Juneteenth. Combining the words June and uh nineteenth, the holiday had also been called Juneteenth, Independence Day, Freedom Day, or Pax Emancipation Day. Whereas on June 17th, 2021, uh President Biden signed the first time. [0:13:10, 0:13:30]: Signed a bill into law making Juneteenth the 11th holiday recognized by the federal government. All 50 states in the District of Columbia recognize Juneteenth as a holiday or observance. The National Abserbance of Juneteenth provides a fuller and a more accurate portrayal of Americans' history. Whereas on June 19th, each year, we celebrate and honor. [0:13:30, 0:13:41]: African American heritage, history, freedom, and culture with events and ceremonies that reflect the power of the community, family, art and traditions. Now therefore I am Anthony S. Forbes of Virtual Authority vested in me. [0:13:41, 0:14:01]: As the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and on behalf of City Council members Elton, Alexander Lana, Barber, John Blunk, Lakeesia Gannon and Afonso Thomas, do hereby proclaim June 19th, 2023 as Juneteenth Day in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. We call upon everyone to observe Juneteenth as an important milestone in our long march towards equality. Reminder [0:14:01, 0:14:21]: Of great contributions African Americans have made as free citizens of our nation, as well as injustices they suffered as slaves and the courage of our forebearers of all races and creeds who gave their lives to fight against slavery. In witness thereof, I have hereunto set my hand race sealed city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the tenth day of June, year of our [0:14:21, 0:14:26]: Lord two thousand and twenty three and I signed a proclamation along with our Claire Vanessa Holiday. [0:14:30, 0:14:36]: Okay. Well I guess it's just I guess it's just you and I right now. [0:14:36, 0:14:47]: Okay, well yes we we can do we can do that. We can invite anybody come on up come on up and uh take a picture with us as well. Do you wanna help us celebrate Juneteenth? Okay, well come on. Come on Fates. [0:14:56, 0:15:16]: Uh got'cause some folks uh maybe want to double up here. We've got to get on this side. Kind of double up. Okay, or taller folks that stand in the back. There we go. We good? Uh oh okay, the police officer's taking the picture. All right. There we go. Okay. Sorry, mate. [0:15:15, 0:15:16]: That's right. [0:15:22, 0:15:28]: Momentous is what the word was. It's momentous. [0:15:28, 0:15:48]: I got tongue-tied or momentous, that's what it was. Anyway. All right. Well now you do it. Well, um we have a few minutes, I guess. We'll get a few minutes. We got the next one, it's Father's Day. We'll we'll see if we get a couple more of our council members that are fathers to be present. And all fathers, I guess, in a sense, could join us for that one. Um [0:15:49, 0:15:56]: And there's another individual supposed to receive this with you? Yes, yes. Are they here yet? I don't think he's here yet. They were supposed to make it. [0:15:57, 0:15:58]: All right. [0:16:02, 0:16:04]: All right, we'll give a few minutes and then uh [0:16:11, 0:16:13]: Right. [0:18:16, 0:18:18]: [1186.7, 1206.7]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we have one more uh proclamation to read. And it's 10 minutes to the hour, so we want to be timely with this. This Mr. Alexander. This last proclamation deals about Father's Day. So uh all the gentlemen that are fathers, you might you're more than welcome to join us up here for Father's Day. Okay? Father's Day. [0:20:06, 0:20:10]: reading a proclamation. You c welcome to join us up here if you like. [0:20:25, 0:20:45]: I know the guy from Further and Father, his partner said he would come when they get maybe they went on the lake. But we gotta do it. Yeah, what do we do? All right. All right, ladies and gentlemen, let me get started with this proclamation on Father's Day 2023. Whereas every year on Father's Day we honor the men who helped shape and and our character through their love. [0:20:45, 0:21:05]: Love, guidance, and devotion. Dads and father figures across the country sacrificed so much to support their families and to ensure that their children can leave fulfilling lives. Whereas the third Sunday in June has for many years been observed as Father's Day, is the most appropriate that Congress by enactment of the Senate joint resolution 161. [0:21:05, 0:21:18]: has now given official recognition to a well established tradition, whereas in homes across a great nation, state and local communities will look to our fathers to provide the strength and the stability which characterize a successful family. [0:21:19, 0:21:32]: Whereas if the fathers responsibilities are many, his rewards are also great, the love, appreciation, the respect of children and spouse, it is their desire to acknowledge publicly these feelings we have for our fathers of our nation. [0:21:32, 0:21:52]: That have been inspired, that have been that has inspired the Congress to call for formal observance of Father's Day. And now therefore I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority, vesting me as the mayor of City of Stockbridge, Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members Elton Now, Xenary Londa, Barber John Blount, Lakeisha Gantt and Alfonso Thomas, do hereby proclaim June eighteenth, twenty twenty. [0:21:52, 0:22:12]: twenty three, as Father Day in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. Let us honor our fathers, living and deceased, and show them the love and gratitude they deserve. A witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand in the great city of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the tenth day of June of the year of our Lord, two thousand twenty three, and assigned a proclamation along with our clerk Vanessa holiday. [0:22:12, 0:22:12]: Isn't it? [0:22:17, 0:22:18]: Okay. [0:22:19, 0:22:36]: Now gentlemen come this way. Come this way. We can't come this way. And we're gonna we're gonna have uh several of these we're gonna have several these issued out here in just a second. Okay. Oh sh well she's she's taking charge of you then? All right. All right. [0:22:42, 0:22:52]: So what do we have here? What is uh Mr Mr Jones? Yes sir. I think you sp yes yes, sir. Take that one. Okay. Mr. Jones. Okay. All right. [0:22:56, 0:22:56]: Thank you. [0:22:58, 0:23:02]: Well we got s I don't know who else was we got several. [0:23:03, 0:23:04]: Yeah, but [0:23:09, 0:23:15]: Alright, so okay, I don't know if the ladies can get away. [0:23:15, 0:23:18]: He'll tell, he'll tell. [0:23:19, 0:23:20]: Yeah. [0:23:30, 0:23:30]: Yeah. [0:23:30, 0:23:35]: No, it's uh don't have any hand. [0:23:38, 0:23:40]: Well, yeah. [0:23:45, 0:23:49]: Very fancy. [0:23:53, 0:24:03]: So make it up for the yeah. Yeah, so we gotta change it. [0:24:05, 0:24:07]: I say okay, it's good. [0:24:08, 0:24:08]: Yeah. [0:24:20, 0:24:20]: Oh. [0:24:21, 0:24:22]: Oh next. [0:24:26, 0:24:32]: [1485.0, 1487.9]: And what you're using. [0:24:48, 0:24:55]: It's about the men today. [0:25:01, 0:25:21]: Welcome citizens to Scott Bridge Father's Day celebration, welcome to greeting. I'll tell you what, as a father, I I love the fact that I'm raising one dog, one child, but I also have to give due respect to my father, who unfortunately passed four years ago, but I still haven't. [0:25:21, 0:25:41]: Absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, we just want to recognize Dad on He State for everything that does for God, the community, and family. It's men out there doing great things in this community, put their heads down working, they don't look for any recognition. They're just doing what men do. [0:25:41, 0:25:50]: That's what we do here today to call you out and recognize for all the great work that you do. Thank you for making our community great. [0:25:50, 0:26:03]: Thank everyone for this award to recognize Father and Father's Day. The greatest thing we can all do is Father, to be fathers of our families, show love, admiration, and always support the things the Father should do. [0:26:03, 0:26:15]: On the count of three, everybody will give you a hearty cheer for all of the fathers in the rain. One, two, three. [0:26:16, 0:26:20]: Faye Faye the Black. [0:26:22, 0:26:39]: So they don't have anybody named. Okay, so we can keep track. Yeah, yeah, sure. No. You've got uh [0:26:40, 0:26:44]: We got uh who gave their spent? Uh I think. [0:27:20, 0:27:23]: [1736.7, 1737.6]: I'm about to [0:29:01, 0:29:02]: May I have your attention, everyone? [0:29:05, 0:29:10]: May I have your attention, everyone? Hello. Someone left their phone here. [0:29:11, 0:29:13]: Someone left their phone here. [0:29:23, 0:29:25]: I need to turn it off. [0:29:28, 0:29:31]: Well they did. [0:31:28, 0:31:30]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, Council, we need to start the meeting here. [0:31:31, 0:31:33]: I have six oh two. [0:31:34, 0:31:35]: All right. [0:31:38, 0:31:40]: Rapport 10, can you get started? [0:31:53, 0:32:00]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm gonna call our council meeting June twelfth to order. It is six oh two. [0:32:01, 0:32:13]: And invocation this evening, Mr. Banks. You come to the front mic and uh please stand folks if you can. Mr. Banks, you're gonna have to take the mic and turn around, take from the other side. [0:32:18, 0:32:19]: Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Go right ahead. [0:32:24, 0:32:26]: Check my there we go. Thank you very much. [0:32:26, 0:32:33]: Let us pray. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you for this day. Father God, give the words. [0:32:33, 0:32:53]: And the mindsets and the hearts and minds may may the mayor and the councilmen and and women conduct your business in your city. We ask this right in your name, Father God. Bless who all has attended those are online listening, that this meeting shall be productive. This is my prayer. This is my request. [0:32:53, 0:32:57]: In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. [0:32:58, 0:33:12]: All right, for pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic that withstand one nation, underground, individual, with liberty and justice for all. [0:33:13, 0:33:15]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:33:19, 0:33:29]: Mayor Ford? Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. [0:33:31, 0:33:42]: Let the record reflect Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a quarrel. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate that. Uh Council, I need uh motion now to adopt the agenda, please. [0:33:43, 0:33:45]: So moved. Mr. Blount, so moved, is there a second? [0:33:47, 0:33:50]: Sir Mr. Dalzan second, all in favor please indicate. [0:33:51, 0:33:54]: Now it's decision. Okay, thank you very much. Yes, ma'am. [0:33:55, 0:34:01]: I thought it was amendment to the agenda. I'm sorry. May I may I mean just a moment, sir? [0:34:02, 0:34:05]: So we know what we just took a moment. [0:34:06, 0:34:08]: As you know it's well just no. [0:34:08, 0:34:14]: I'm sorry, what's the one there amendment to the change or the question? [0:34:18, 0:34:19]: Be removed. [0:34:20, 0:34:22]: Different. Which one? [0:34:23, 0:34:24]: Six and seven. [0:34:25, 0:34:28]: To defer to the channel. [0:34:30, 0:34:31]: [2071.5, 2074.9]: All right. Thank you. I didn't realize that. All right. [0:34:36, 0:34:39]: I I'm going to do exactly that, sir, no problem. [0:34:41, 0:34:45]: All right. Okay, let's let's do this here. Yes, sir. [0:34:45, 0:34:46]: In lieu of [0:34:47, 0:34:49]: information I like to withdraw my [0:34:49, 0:34:54]: uh motion to approve the agenda. All right. Thank you. Appreciate that. [0:34:54, 0:34:56]: And obviously the second uh is withdrawn as well. [0:34:57, 0:35:00]: Oh no, no. Okay, now we we have a amendment to the agenda. [0:35:01, 0:35:03]: And whereas that uh items number [0:35:03, 0:35:12]: Uh six and seven under public hearing has is going to be uh well requested to be removed by the applicant until our July [0:35:12, 0:35:13]: Tenth meeting. [0:35:14, 0:35:15]: So I need a motion to accept it, please. [0:35:16, 0:35:17]: So I moved. Okay, Mr. Blount. [0:35:18, 0:35:20]: Mr. Alzheimer's acceptance. All in favor, please indicate. [0:35:21, 0:35:26]: Okay, thank you. That's unanimous. Now I need a motion to adopt the rest of the agenda for this evening. [0:35:26, 0:35:30]: So I moved. Mr. Blount? Mr. Alexander, all in favor, please indicate. [0:35:30, 0:35:32]: Thank you very much. And now [0:35:32, 0:35:48]: Um council adoption of the minutes. Uh adoption of minutes are April tenth, twenty twenty three, the council meeting minutes as well as the April twenty fifth council work session minutes. So there are no changes or updates to that. I need a motion to accept those minutes, please. [0:35:50, 0:35:53]: So moving. Thank you, Mr. Alexander. Is there a second? [0:35:55, 0:35:55]: Is there a second? [0:35:56, 0:35:58]: Mr. Plunt second, all favor please indicate. [0:36:00, 0:36:04]: Unanimous decision, thank you very much. Um, Madam Clerk, any public comments? [0:36:06, 0:36:08]: Mayor Ford, there are no public comments. [0:36:08, 0:36:17]: Okay, thank you. We'll now move on to our ceremonial uh sorry ceremonial review. And we have several proclamations, ladies and gentlemen. We have the Caribbean Heritage Month. [0:36:18, 0:36:35]: that we honored with a proclamation this evening along with the National Pride uh Pride Month and the Juneteenth celebration which is coming up here in the city on uh one week from today and then uh we recognize by proclamation of Father's Day for all the fathers in the area and fathers in the community and fathers of course across the nation. [0:36:35, 0:36:47]: On that note, we'll go to our first presentation, which deals with our first quarter transportation advisory group update. Mr. Gonzalez, please come forward and uh give the presentation, please. [0:37:17, 0:37:20]: Please introduce yourself before you get a presentation, sir. [0:37:20, 0:37:40]: Good evening, Council Mayor. I'm Mignal Gonzalez. And I represent uh Starbucks in the Transportation Advisory Group or Inner County. Good evening, Council Mayor. I'm Mignon Gonzalez and I represent City of Starkridge of the Inner County Transportation Advisory Group for May. [0:37:40, 0:37:42]: Oh thank you. We'll hear with your presentation, please. [0:37:43, 0:37:48]: I I hear you fine. As long as there's a green light on. Is there a green light on down there? [0:37:51, 0:37:55]: Oh, can you hear me better now? There you go. There you go. [0:37:58, 0:37:58]: Alright, please. [0:37:59, 0:38:19]: Uh good evening. Uh being this is our first time doing the quarterly, I put some slides together. Um we can as the quarterly updates come up, we can as we work together with the council mayor, we can update. Um put more slides or reduce some slides here. So um we'll start off with uh introduction. Um on the last uh [0:38:19, 0:38:39]: uh council meeting uh which I appreciate the opportunity to be reappointed on the tag membership. There was some question about my who who am I and be more happy to to speak about who with my background a little bit how hopefully I can serve the the city on this committee on some of the things uh how best to describe tag the five W's [0:38:39, 0:38:47]: uh summary of last year, um a summary of uh twenty twenty through the first and second quarter and then um how can I help [0:38:49, 0:39:09]: Uh first of all, I want to start off say thank you, uh Council for uh my reappointment and the trust to be able to serve uh the city uh uh Stockbridge and the committee. Um just a little bit my background. I've been living, working in Henry County, uh actually Stockbridge for over 18 years now. Um worked with GDOT when I started my career, so hopefully I can put some [0:39:09, 0:39:22]: some input on some of these transportation projects and help um guide some things or funding and some ideas uh to help and um I'm locally with a local firm here within the city uh Stockbridge limits. [0:39:24, 0:39:24]: Mm-hmm. [0:39:25, 0:39:45]: All right, the five Ws. Uh who are we? Who's the committee? Just um since being the first time doing this this presentation, I wanted to kind of uh talk a little bit about the committee and then subsequent ones we can I can uh we just talked what we spoke about in next quarter. Um these are uh the committee [0:39:45, 0:40:05]: Was adopted in 2020, created to as a organization or a group of folks representing uh different parts of the county commission districts, uh, ten representatives, uh, five from each of the commission districts, one from uh the commission chair, and four from the municipalities, uh, one being stockers of [0:40:05, 0:40:16]: which I represent. Uh these are two year terms and um the tag meeting is committee is led by Sam Baker, which leads the uh Henry County Transportation Planning uh Director. [0:40:19, 0:40:25]: Um the slide didn't show too well, but these are the uh the names of uh the folks that represent the committee. [0:40:27, 0:40:47]: So what do we do? Um the our organization, the community, the community that we work we represent, we part of the last year was updating the transportation, uh Comprehensive Transportation Plan, which uh involves having input from our citizens on the current conditions, uh future. [0:40:47, 0:41:07]: And future project, how we're gonna fund these. And also this part of ARC Metro Lana organization that without our plans, uh funding would be difficult to be uh to be obtained. So um the three major um work that we did last year and helped with the input is the uh [0:41:07, 0:41:15]: Uh updating the comp comprehensive transportation plan, the transit plan, and then the trail plan. Develop actually a new trail plan. [0:41:17, 0:41:37]: And why we're doing this is to assist the board commission, the municipalities in defining what our transportation needs are, the issues and how uh solutions. Um this is also for long-term planning based on the ARC Metro. Um there's also health funding and then again this is for the uh [0:41:36, 0:41:41]: For the Hennett County Transportation Plan, the Transit Master Plan and Trails Plan. [0:41:43, 0:42:03]: Um one of the things about uh why uh being the Hane County Transportation Plan, which is also known as a comprehensive transportation plan, a lot of big words. Um these are these are plans for long-term, short, mid, long-range planning for the next 30 years, and these are updated every so often. So as needed. [0:42:03, 0:42:23]: Change population change, address quality of life, congestion relief, uh, equity. Um, one of the things that uh is included now in this plan is the emerging technology uh project recommendations. These are different technologies. Uh for example, uh Henry County received grants for uh the fire truck. [0:42:23, 0:42:43]: To be able to communicate with signal lights to prioritize their path as they go through the signal lights. And there's gonna be, there'll be a little bit, we talk about this first and second quarter. Transit plan is another up uh plan update, 30-year plan, um addressing existing project conditions. [0:42:42, 0:43:02]: Helps improve mobility, safety, connectivity, quality of life. Again, these are for short, mid, and long-range planning. One of the major things that came out of this transit plan was the rebranding. For example, you'll see these coming out soon as we get more funding, more routes are [0:43:02, 0:43:05]: Or set up um locations. [0:43:08, 0:43:28]: The trails plans, uh wide trails plan. Well if you can see the map, it's very it's a little blurry here. There's only three identified trails in the uh Henry County. This plan itself will develop uh a mid and long term there's there's not really any short term plans for trails yet, but mid and long term to be able to uh establish locations. Um [0:43:27, 0:43:47]: And be able to get the funding, either T Splots or different kind of grants. Again, for uh help connect our communities for health reasons, uh help help uh foster some economic growth. Um to be able to develop the plans, there was uh stakeholder meetings online, um [0:43:47, 0:44:00]: petitions, uh to be able to get a uh community to give us some input where the areas that we we should be looking for. Another of the uh that was identified is the branding as you let's see if you can see oops. [0:44:02, 0:44:22]: You can see the you'll you'll start seeing the new logo around the the county. Um it's like an orange, a burnt orange type. Different. Um if you're in within the municipality, you'll have the the municipal name on the bottom. If it's general uh Henry County, it'll just be uh Henry Trail. So these are some of the things we're uh our committee uh we were [0:44:22, 0:44:24]: Also [0:44:24, 0:44:25]: The [0:44:25, 0:44:29]: Henny County, the the plan was developed by a a consultant. [0:44:30, 0:44:33]: Um they give us ideas, for example, on what kind of typical section. [0:44:34, 0:44:50]: You know, if it's gonna be a ten, twelve, fourteen foot uh wide trail, how close to the road, things like that, that we can uh s uh establish some kind of standards. And then working with uh with the municipalities on those things here. [0:44:51, 0:45:05]: Um this here kind of shows you some of the current mid-range plans um uh trails that'll be coming on. Uh there's a list on the Henry County website. Uh T C Plus have some of those fun it'd be funny some of these trails. [0:45:08, 0:45:28]: Um when and where. Um everyone's uh welcome to our meetings. We had they're posted on the Henry County website, uh transportation planning. Uh it's every quarter. Um there's uh current um the next one uh would be October coming up. Um you can find more information on the meetings is recorded. [0:45:28, 0:45:33]: it uh Sam Baker does a great job of making sure it's documented so so everyone the public knows. [0:45:37, 0:45:48]: Uh summary 2022, we're fortunate we we adopted the uh the updated Intercounty Transportation Plan, uh the Transit Master Plan, and the brand new trails plan. [0:45:50, 0:46:10]: We have here. Uh first quarter update. We're looking at how to implement some of these projects that were recently adopted on the plan. We receive information that uh we the county received a grant for a new fixed uh local bus service. That'll be coming hopefully on [0:46:10, 0:46:30]: uh on board within this year. There's there's a another um initiative to launch is Micro Transit On-Demand Transit Service, which is more kind of like an Uber type deal that you can call and uh receive uh someone will pick you up. We have some uh update on the major roadway projects. [0:46:30, 0:46:37]: There's the uh commercial vehicle lanes uh I set from I-75 making [0:46:37, 0:46:46]: Coming from Macon to McDonough, that's uh the truck we call it, truck lanes, commercial vehicle lanes. Construction still uh around 2027 to begin. [0:46:47, 0:46:50]: the new interchange at at I seventy five Betlenham [0:46:50, 0:47:10]: The West Parallel Connector and the N Rock Quarry Road widening. Let me let me stop you right now. Yeah, I mean we've um there's been several things that have come up and I know I have some questions. I'm pretty sure the council has some several questions about some things here. But let me just start this off now. Um and and we're gonna have to go back a couple of slides. Sure, of course. [0:47:10, 0:47:30]: Let's see here. And Rockaway World Road Widening, that's that's that's a joint project with the city of Stockbridge in this aspect and so would be the Eagles Landing Parkway too. I know with the joint projects that we're working on with them and I know our financial um our treasurer's here along with our our uh city manager as well to give speak further on that. [0:47:30, 0:47:44]: there's something obviously you need to know, make sure that you're well in tune on that. But previously on the slides, uh that you had about the trail plan and we we also had a trail plan to establish, I'm trying to figure out and I'm pretty sure the rest of the council is think trying to think about this too. [0:47:44, 0:47:48]: uh we have a trail plan that we want to implement and um [0:47:48, 0:48:08]: And but on the diagram they showed only Henry County trails per se, and I would think that ours would have to be somewhat integrated in that as well. And that's through T Splash dollars that we're planning to do all that. You see, because this uh that's very sparse on what we have planned, is my understanding, obviously I would say not understanding, I know is ours is more tense, extensive than this. [0:48:08, 0:48:22]: And and um you haven't gotten to it yet, but the other other thing the question be uh the wayfinding process as well. Uh but anyway, I'm gonna stop on that note and I'm and I'm pretty sure somebody else has some other c thoughts or questions. Go ahead, Mr. Alexander. [0:48:22, 0:48:42]: Yeah, Mayor, I think you're you're right on that. Uh we certainly did pass our own uh trails plan in twenty seventeen where we have intense trails, and thank God uh the citizens out there voted uh for the one cent sales tax, which is the T sploss. So we have$22 million to build our own Atlanta belt. [0:48:42, 0:49:02]: Outline like trail system being funded with that one cent sales tax. If you look out in front of City Hall here, we have 10-foot multi-use pass out front of City Hall. They'll be going certain areas. The Rock Quarry Road Project will certainly have them. And of note to the residents here who have [0:49:02, 0:49:22]: Have come for the particular zoning. Highway 42 is going to be widened as well, as part of that. That's a joint project with Clayton County. It'll be four lanes from Walmart all the way to I-675. You will have a 10-foot multi-use path on one side, five-foot side. [0:49:22, 0:49:42]: Sidewalk on the other side, you have street lights, uh, you will have um beautification in the medians with trees and plants and all of that. Because this council and the Conor County Commissioners did a really good job of working toward getting these projects uh in the pipeline because we understand everybody out there. [0:49:42, 0:50:02]: Sits in traffic on a regular basis and many things happen. And then we don't seem to do a good job of getting the word out about these traffic and transportation improvements. So certainly it's good that you're there. But the folks need to certainly understand that, you know, we have funding a total of$750 million. [0:50:01, 0:50:21]: Dollars to widen nearly every road around here, including T-SPOS and the GDOT projects that you will go ahead and mention as we move along. But the mayor is certainly right. We have trails on nearly every major road around here, especially connecting this whole downtown area. Matter of fact, if you go outside and sit [0:50:21, 0:50:41]: City Hall now, you'll see trails down East Atlanta Road, and there's at least about a mile of trails inside the amphitheater. If you go back up and down around uh North Lee Street will have a 10-foot multi-use path. All of this will be corrected so that you can walk in this particular area and interview all that. [0:50:41, 0:51:01]: drive a EV vehicle. We got EV chargers back there. So we like for this to be your preferred route to come in and exercise and walk the trails. So certainly if you would uh kind of emphasize that uh the process this is a let's let's just say that this is a high level view correct yes and then the detail will be [0:51:01, 0:51:21]: filled in by the staff. So we'll proceed understanding that this is a very high level type of briefing, but the staff and will be providing the details to be able to put this whole program together because, you know, things are happening just like, you know, eight million dollars was being [0:51:21, 0:51:41]: As uh already you see outside here that uh highway 138 has been paved. The council worked very hard. So a lot of times that information is not getting to the public to understand that transportation projects are coming. And the other and and the one thing that I want folks to understand is the GDOT program works with the Georgia Department. [0:51:41, 0:52:01]: of Transportation. We pave more streets than anybody in this county with our you know our LMIG program paving city streets. And those of you who annexed in, we got to get you on the list because the county had you on their list and some of you all we got a lot of substandard roads to come into the community. So you [0:52:01, 0:52:21]: You will be graded in the next round or when we grade all the streets and we'll incorporate that. But the way the model works here in Georgia is it's kind of slow. It really is. And understanding that infrastructure never catches up with development and building. It just does not. What really drives it here in Georgia. [0:52:21, 0:52:41]: Is when you have a project, GDOT or the trend or the powers that be directs the money on there. If you live in an area that hasn't had any projects or had any type of development or growth in the last few years, then generally dollars don't flow your way. They try to throw the dollars at the project after the project has already started. [0:52:41, 0:52:49]: In a lot of cases. So I thought that needed to be said. Thank you. Council, any other any other questions, concerns thus far in the presentation that you may have? [0:52:50, 0:52:51]: Anybody? [0:52:52, 0:52:55]: Okay, if not, continue on, sir. [0:52:55, 0:53:03]: And and the the slides we can update uh each quarter to to make sure those those projects are highlighted, especially the local ones. [0:53:05, 0:53:06]: This is a a big overview. [0:53:14, 0:53:15]: See [0:53:17, 0:53:37]: Please so we spoke uh on the first quarter updates. Um and then just uh as an update, the Rockhoy Road widening, there was a question about when construction will begin. It's my understanding it will go out to bid around September of this year. It is my understanding. But I'll I'll get more information. But that's uh so far what I've [0:53:37, 0:53:49]: Can't you ask that what about Eagles Landing Parkway as well? I had not opportunity. Okay. But I'll I'll find that information Eagles Landing. Thank you. [0:53:51, 0:53:54]: I have a quick question for you, just uh [0:53:54, 0:53:58]: 'Cause I'm learning how all of this works and w I'm one of the [0:53:58, 0:54:13]: One of the inquisitive people that was asking. When you talked about the uh Board of Commissioners transportation needs uh that you represent and and wanted to bring up the needs of stop bridge, we see a lot of things around the city because we're, you know [0:54:14, 0:54:22]: W what is one of the greatest needs you've seen that you've you've um been an advocate for us with the county when it comes to transportation? [0:54:22, 0:54:41]: Um one one of the things that I've helped is for example if uh Sam Baker's um uh going after a grant uh having the uh recommendations from a local uh representative and one I I sent it up for the Atlanta old Old Atlanta Road, there was uh was uh resurfacing. So it either recommendations or [0:54:41, 0:54:42]: Um [0:54:43, 0:54:45]: If this if it's something within [0:54:45, 0:55:05]: um the city, but being new to to the uh to the organization, getting my feet with there, so one of the things I'm starting to the the role that I'm starting to pick up um and just some of the input of perhaps if there's uh uh design, if it w how wide should a sidewalk be, um [0:55:05, 0:55:16]: Things like that. So but as we as we pick up the recomm one of the main things for last year was the the plan itself to update those major three. And then this year we'll we'll have some other initiatives we're we're gonna be we'll be doing. [0:55:16, 0:55:36]: And and that was one of my concerns with this this whole board is I don't know how far the power or influence of this board is to the decisions made when it comes to to transportation needs. And so what you're saying to me is that you're kind of feeling your way through and and and looking at the needs. [0:55:36, 0:55:50]: In 2020, all the members we're we we we Sam Baker leads the the the organization. If there's a question, for example, uh it's been a big picture for uh the I-75 vehicle lanes. Um [0:55:50, 0:56:10]: From Macon to exit 216, there were concerns by some of the members that that particular location is not really a look a good location due to a lot of traffic. It's already congested. So now we're because some of the we're looking at it and talking, yeah, we should do another study. What would what would be if we can extend that truck lane all the way to the I-670? [0:56:10, 0:56:13]: Seventy five seventy five. [0:56:13, 0:56:25]: Uh so that's that study's underway. So it's it's those things that when when when certain issues pop up and now now that I get we're gonna get the opportunity to work with each other this year, I can find other uh opportunities to bring uh items up. [0:56:26, 0:56:46]: Mayor. Go right here. Mr. Flood's finished. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't because I I just don't I I see you because you say you get your feet wet, you kind of so I don't want to go too far in the weeds with it. Yeah. All right. Go ahead, Mr. Alexander. Yeah, I just want what you just said something that was very key. And folks need to understand these decisions are being made right now. If those trucks [0:56:46, 0:57:06]: Lanes from Savannah all the way to Henry County are released in McDonough. All of those trucks are going to be released on uh 75, and they're gonna come right through here, right? Many of them will drop in McDonough, but if they don't extend these lanes to 675. [0:57:06, 0:57:26]: That's going to be a nightmare. Well, a lot of times we complain about warehouses and other things going on in the community. It's way above our pay grade and our level. The state has invested$50 billion in the port in Savannah. The trucks and the logistics, we can't stop it even if we wanted to. They've made that decision down at the goal. [0:57:26, 0:57:46]: When they said they wanted to be the number one post port on the East Coast. That means all of those trucks have to come through here. And the last thing we want to do is to have those trucks dumped at exit two eighteen and two sixteen and then get in the traffic that we got to deal with every single day. So I think I want that to be [0:57:45, 0:58:05]: Your number one priority, and I hopefully council can chime in and say that's the last thing we want is to have those trucks dumped off right before our exits, uh coming into uh clogging up the traffic in here. That I'm glad you're already on that, and I'm glad they're looking at it because that would be a nightmare for us. [0:58:05, 0:58:11]: [3492.6, 3498.4]: Imagine that the truck traffic is going to double with the investment that they made uh in the Savannah port. [0:58:19, 0:58:35]: I would say to you that uh I'm at least in agreement that fact uh with that fact uh in reference to the truck uh lanes and and what they need to do to expand it and make it more feasible because uh we're growing and s and the port is is absolutely right about the port. See so [0:58:36, 0:58:56]: And one one of the ideas why the truck lanes are that current location, and you probably know is they were they were assuming that the express lanes were gonna take some of the slack off that location, but we uh as the tag group, we we were not convinced that was gonna be the no. So we're we pursued that, we supported the one the the salmon. [0:58:56, 0:59:03]: on this and he's uh I think is on I think he's actually been led out uh the studies currently as we speak. [0:59:04, 0:59:06]: Okay. Continue on, sir, please. [0:59:11, 0:59:13]: update impact study [0:59:14, 0:59:34]: Some of the things too that we that um uh Sam Baker informs us is the grants that the Henry County receives that are used um for some of the technologies. Uh there was a grant uh that was used to develop a web-based um software to kind of figure out how to balance green space. [0:59:34, 0:59:52]: warehouse, uh how it impacts. Uh it it so it's it's one is one of those to have to allow Henry Cow to to develop um you know allow the green space or you know the prioritize. So this particular software will prioritize if green space is a priority, if warehousing [0:59:53, 0:59:56]: It's we'll we'll f we'll find more information on that. [0:59:56, 1:00:01]: Um some other information is uh some funds for uh some roadway widenings. [1:00:02, 1:00:09]: Um and then the the bus route, fixed service, which is still they're trying to figure out the actual route based on the the grant money. [1:00:10, 1:00:20]: And then there was one of the uh details, uh our crash data shows there we have an uptick um in the crash, crash rate for the last five years. [1:00:23, 1:00:43]: And and let me ask you this. I'm only assuming that is due to the fact of more increased traffic. Um that's my assumption. Now I know our police department has more r has n definitely has responsibility now, a bigger chunk of Highway seventy five. So I would imagine we can get updated data and pr uh from our police department, you probably need to linked into them and make sure that when you have this [1:00:43, 1:00:47]: discuss a specific point that you have the latest data from our police department as well. [1:00:48, 1:00:49]: Okay. Excuse me. [1:00:58, 1:01:18]: Uh so that's our second quarterly updates. Uh we had some updates on uh the current spLOS on resurfacing projects. There again, we were talking about kind of still working on the route, the new fixed uh bus route that we begin service this year. Um and again we [1:01:18, 1:01:35]: We're we're updated on the uh launch of that microtransit on-demand transit service. And then there's uh there was an extended agreement with uh State Road and Tollway Authority constructing a parking ride on Julesborough Road near I-75. [1:01:38, 1:01:58]: Some of the things uh updated was there the Bethlehem Interchange uh concept uh design is available uh online to be able the public to see how how the it's progressing. Um the joint uh there was uh information about the joint wayfinding with the with the municipalities. [1:01:58, 1:02:18]: That work looks like it's gonna begin July 23rd, June 30th. We have some more funding on we're gonna apply for. This one's dealing with uh what we got here, comprehensive safety action plan. Um we're trying to get 200,000. [1:02:18, 1:02:31]: thousand dollars for the county with with the county matching funds and they won't it'll be uh some discussion on how the municipalities can participate in this and make some sharing of that m local funding. [1:02:34, 1:02:54]: Some more grants. Potential transit bus stops or schedule for Stockbridge itself at all? Have you have they redefined that? They're still working on there there was an uh overall idea, the is the implementation. [1:02:54, 1:02:59]: So I can find more information give you the update. [1:03:00, 1:03:20]: Yeah, go ahead, sir. I'm sorry. With all due respect to everyone here, I think again this is gonna be a very high-level presentation. If we really want the detail like that, we probably should have Mr. Baker come in and then issue come some of those details because these are volunteer board positions. No problem. Understand. But just uh good question to check in. [1:03:19, 1:03:29]: To though appreciate it. Thank you. Work with each other. I'll have more information and these slides will be more um uh customized okay to be able to address those concerns. [1:03:31, 1:03:34]: And again some more uh technology. The [1:03:34, 1:03:54]: The second to last bullet about the that technology to connect um the for example fire department vehicles, uh there was an additional 20 sites in Henry County that's gonna be employed. So um, and then one of the last things uh that was part of the our committee meeting was the county considering the telework and ultimate [1:03:54, 1:04:01]: work schedules uh effective july first of this year. So just some information there and [1:04:03, 1:04:23]: And the last slide, just uh how can I help you? One of the things is um sitting here and talking with you and then with the public. The next quarter update uh address some of the questions you have so we more involved, more uh uh more information uh on these subjects. [1:04:24, 1:04:40]: I would imagine the that uh you can get uh more refined information for us in the process as things go on um in this aspect and it'd be helpful. So it's a clear understanding for us overall. All right. Uh m Mr. Thomas Quid, please. Thank you, Mayor. [1:04:40, 1:05:00]: First, I'd just like to thank you for your commitment to serve. But my message for the most part are to the citizens. Um I know oftentimes in uh zoning matters and public hearings, uh citizens wanna come to uh this venue to to voice [1:05:00, 1:05:02]: their concerns about traffic. [1:05:03, 1:05:06]: Um and even though we cannot [1:05:06, 1:05:08]: Address those um [1:05:08, 1:05:10]: In in zoning matters. [1:05:11, 1:05:13]: But I would recommend and encourage citizens [1:05:13, 1:05:14]: To go. [1:05:15, 1:05:17]: To this body. [1:05:17, 1:05:25]: And to let their voices be heard. And I think that just needs to be said because even I would imagine even tonight. [1:05:25, 1:05:29]: We're gonna hear uh concerns about traffic. [1:05:30, 1:05:50]: But we cannot address those um in in zoning matters. And I just wanted to sort of throw that out then and that need to be, uh I think said a little bit more often is that and I don't know what kind of participation uh you get at these board meetings from citizenry and and voices and questions and concerns about [1:05:49, 1:05:57]: traffic overall in Henry County and and specifically in Stockbridge. But I just want to sort of throw that out to the citizens. Thank you. [1:05:58, 1:06:14]: You know, questions, concerns, uh this side, you know. We're good thus far. Thank you for a presentation, really appreciate it. Thank you for the opportunity and I'll stay in touch with all you and then with any questions you have. Sit sit connect with the city manager, Mr. Gardner. Connect with him. Thank you very much. [1:06:19, 1:06:25]: And what we need to do is solve this train issue, right? Yeah. That's what we really need to do. Solve this train issue. [1:06:25, 1:06:45]: Yeah, in in a in a mix. All right. What we have next, uh there's actually a public hearing, one of several public hearings tonight. And uh it steals the City of Stockbridge Text Amendment case, uh T X uh two thousand three excuse me, two thousand twenty three dash zero one council district, which means city wide. [1:06:45, 1:07:05]: Consideration of the Text Amendment and Stockbridge Unified Development Code UDC in section 2.5.2 D12 and section 2.5.3 F11 to allow hookah bars, lounges, cigar bars, lounges, tobacco, vape shops as ancillary uses to the use of [1:07:05, 1:07:25]: use of primary use of restaurant lounges currently above uses are prohibited uh within the parkway mixed use pm u overlay district and the downtown village dvd v overlay district. Mr. Ryan well it has Mr. Ryan here but Miss Bre Breca is is forward. Okay. Yes this I'm gonna be presenting tonight [1:07:25, 1:07:29]: Okay, so be it. It's your show. Thank you. [1:07:36, 1:07:41]: Bear with me one second. Little technical difficulty. [1:08:00, 1:08:20]: All right, thank you, Mayor and Council. Good evening, um members of the community. So uh there is a text amendment ahead of you um in regards to allowing hookah bars and uh cigar bars um as an ancillary or secondary use within restaurants. Currently the [1:08:20, 1:08:40]: These uses are not allowed in our overlay districts, which is our parkway overlay district, which is a majority of our major corridors like 138, North Henry Boulevard, Eagles Landing, and some places, and then in our downtown area. [1:08:39, 1:08:51]: There have been some requests for restaurants in these areas to be allowed to have, you know, a s a cigar bar room or hookah room within the restaurant. [1:08:53, 1:09:06]: Um just to kind of give you an idea again, prohibited uses is hookah bars, lounges, and cigar bars and lounges within uh parkway mixed use overlay districts. Like I said, that's among our major corridors throughout the city. [1:09:07, 1:09:20]: And then our downtown village overlay, which is our complete downtown area. And currently those uses are not allowed by themselves or in conjunction with another use. [1:09:22, 1:09:42]: Uh again, um in order to expand our our business allowings offerings throughout the city in certain areas, um like in downtown areas like McDonough's and Atlanta, you do they do allow for cigar bars to be part of a restaurant, uh similar to how [1:09:42, 1:09:43]: We have [1:09:44, 1:10:03]: uh alcohol sales as an ancillary use to a restaurant, this would be this a similar thing. We would allow for them to have 51% sales in food and then 49% sales in hookah or tobacco and cigar vape and vape bars. [1:10:06, 1:10:12]: So that is staff's recommendation. This item, uh, as all the public hearing items tonight went to the planning commission. [1:10:12, 1:10:15]: Um at the April twenty fifth meeting. [1:10:15, 1:10:26]: Uh but they did recommend denial. Um there weren't any specific reasons. We did have some citizens call um come to the podium and um state their concerns. [1:10:27, 1:10:29]: The Planning Commission uh denied it. [1:10:30, 1:10:34]: And your Pacific staff's uh decision is what? [1:10:34, 1:10:52]: Well, our recommendation was originally for approval. That has not changed. Okay. Then the planning commission, since we bring it to them, they make a recommendation to you all. We don't change our recommendation after the board has determined their recommendation. All right. Um the city council aga has the authority to make the final decision. Absolutely. [1:10:53, 1:11:02]: All right. You okay. Council, questions, concerns, thoughts? Okay, well uh I'll excuse me, uh Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. [1:11:03, 1:11:15]: My question is, the with the text amendment, does it address separating those who may want to partake in [1:11:15, 1:11:19]: Tobacco and hookah bars, is there a separate area? [1:11:20, 1:11:40]: One of the designated point well one of the discussions that did come up was to make it a like a sub a room that's designated within a restaurant for these uses. And that can be part of if the council does choose to approve it, have that stipulation that it has to be in a separate room. [1:11:40, 1:11:42]: [4302.4, 4303.0]: Area. [1:11:44, 1:11:45]: Thank you. [1:11:46, 1:11:49]: Councilman uh Thomas Gway, please. Thank you. [1:11:50, 1:12:03]: I I I believe it is known from this council uh my position on this. Um I'm not a uh smoker. Um I refrain from tobacco. Um [1:12:05, 1:12:25]: I know these rooms are not airtight. I do like to support restaurants, small businesses, et cetera, et cetera. I know a number of other folks who are uh non-smokers, et cetera. Um, I will not support [1:12:25, 1:12:29]: uh this initiative I would not vote against it. [1:12:30, 1:12:40]: Uh, I will remain neutral. Um, but I just wanted to be on the record that, you know, th this is is my position and I know other citizens that [1:12:40, 1:12:41]: probably would not [1:12:42, 1:12:43]: Um [1:12:43, 1:12:45]: Support is for dining out. [1:12:46, 1:13:06]: um in this type of restaurant, but I do understand the economics, you know, behind this. Um and I have spoken with a lot of restaurant owners and and this is how they see it. So I don't have a problem with, you know, these restaurants trying to uh develop uh some type of economic move. [1:13:06, 1:13:26]: But just for me personally, and I know I'm just one person, um, but I I personally would not, you know, dine at one of these locations. But I will uh not vote against this initiative if this is the will of of this council. Thank you. Ms. Gamp, please. Thank you. Before I even [1:13:26, 1:13:42]: make my statement. Were there anybody did anyone come in during public comments and state that they were for this? No public comments. No no public comments. Okay. Um and the reason I say that is I would prefer if business owners would come to us with their situation. Um [1:13:43, 1:13:48]: you know, f subject to conditions on that particular business owner. More so [1:13:49, 1:14:09]: I'm deaf I I'm just not for it. I can't see wanting to be I mean being at a restaurant and eating and and having smoke is just not something I'm interested in being a part of. Um I could see if it's a sports bar or a lounge. Um maybe we can look into the classifications of what exactly we're trying to do here. [1:14:09, 1:14:10]: Uh [1:14:10, 1:14:11]: I get it. [1:14:12, 1:14:13]: There may be a need. [1:14:13, 1:14:31]: Um I'm concerned about a bunch of vape shops being around. You open the door to a lot of that. Um every time we turn around there's one on every other corner on some streets and I I'm not interested. I just don't think that it brings value to our community. Um and uh [1:14:32, 1:14:38]: Having said that, I know people have to make a living and that's something that maybe makes money for them. [1:14:38, 1:14:42]: I just don't think it's appropriate based off of where [1:14:42, 1:14:43]: What our goals are. [1:14:44, 1:14:59]: and our vision of our community in our downtown should look like. Now if it's a bar or sports you tell me, Miss Um Carter, is there a way where if it's a bar or lounge [1:14:59, 1:15:05]: Um and I see it here. You says to allow hookah bars slash lounges, cigar bars, slash lounges. [1:15:05, 1:15:08]: As an ancillary to a restaurant, no. [1:15:08, 1:15:17]: But to be a hookah bar or a lounge, maybe, right? And then again, we still need to limit the amount of those. [1:15:18, 1:15:19]: And so [1:15:20, 1:15:20]: Um [1:15:21, 1:15:23]: I would appreciate the discussion of it. [1:15:23, 1:15:30]: I see that this is a public hearing on it. I would love to hear from some business owners on what their thoughts and concepts are. [1:15:31, 1:15:39]: But I personally don't wanna be in an environment where I'm trying to eat and worried about smelling smoke and I'm not gonna bring my kids around it either. [1:15:40, 1:15:58]: Right. So th there are some concerns, but if it's a sport I could I could see again, I can see if it's a sports bar or lounge or something specific, but not just let's open the door and say, Oh, this is what we want. I don't want everybody I I I I just don't think it would work that way. [1:15:59, 1:16:00]: Mr Blount, please. [1:16:01, 1:16:02]: Yeah, um [1:16:03, 1:16:05]: You know, my first take on [1:16:06, 1:16:12]: hookah lounges, cigar lounges, is that I didn't want to see one area saturated with that. [1:16:13, 1:16:14]: Um [1:16:14, 1:16:18]: One of the things we I ha I have come to a realization is that [1:16:19, 1:16:23]: Hookah and cigars are like hip hop. [1:16:23, 1:16:25]: It's not a fad, it's not going anywhere. [1:16:26, 1:16:37]: And when we talk about a capitalistic society allowing businesses to operate, and you're talking about an ancillary uh use uh on that for for for restaurants. [1:16:38, 1:16:45]: The thing about it, we have to make sure that we have parameters in place as a city. When we was uh I was in um [1:16:46, 1:16:50]: Kansas City back in November. Kansas City, Missouri. [1:16:51, 1:16:57]: And the hookah uh the lounges that allowed cigars [1:16:58, 1:17:18]: They had proper ventilations in there. And those was regulations that was pertaining to what the city what had to be installed in order to s for the city to allow. And so we have to make sure that whatever we do and whatever make move we make that we are looking at [1:17:18, 1:17:28]: this this is not going away in in in a lot of these businesses because w when you look at hookahs and and and um hookahs and and cigars [1:17:28, 1:17:33]: I see'em in Alphoretta, I see'em in Buckhead, I see'em in Johns Creek. I see'em everywhere. [1:17:33, 1:17:53]: They're ev they're not going away. But I think for us as a city, we have to make sure that that businesses aren't going rogue on how they ventilate their facilities, that that everybody is able to enjoy it. Everybody's able to be [1:17:53, 1:17:59]: that that proper ventilation is done in these uh in the in these areas because [1:18:00, 1:18:07]: What what's on the books? It's hard to enforce this one and it's hard now to enforce it, even in the city of Stockbridge. [1:18:08, 1:18:09]: And so [1:18:09, 1:18:11]: When you put [1:18:11, 1:18:14]: this out there like that and you allow it [1:18:14, 1:18:26]: There are some businesses that can circumvent the process, but they can't circumvent the stipulations that be put on if you're doing it. Because I could say I got a hot dog restaurant, I'd probably sell ten hot dogs for a [1:18:26, 1:18:34]: uh in a one month, but I'm still a hot dog restaurant that's having hookah and cigars. So I can circumvent a process in order to do it. [1:18:34, 1:18:42]: But now I can't circumvent stipulations that if I do it, these parameters are put in place. So I think that we need to look at that. [1:18:43, 1:19:03]: before we allow this to happen. I'm I'm for this I'm I'm for businesses flourishing. We got a downtown and when you look at the uh the the areas there are some restaurants that allow hookahs and some restaurants have cigars and some restaurants don't allow it at all. You have a multiplex [1:19:03, 1:19:04]: Yeah. [1:19:04, 1:19:06]: of businesses that are doing it. So [1:19:07, 1:19:27]: I just think that before we do it as a city, that we put stipulations in place for whoever does it, that the proper ventilation is put in place for these restaurants. On my left side, go ahead, Mr. Alzheimer. Yeah, you know, honestly, I concur with Mayor Pro Tem and Mr. Blount. Uh regulations do need to be put in place. [1:19:27, 1:19:47]: I certainly would insist as the same thing that it be in a separate room. And those regulations are important. What really happened and precipitated this with all transparency is the owner at Angie's cafe came and said that there were businesses all around her that were being that were already doing. [1:19:47, 1:20:07]: hookah and she felt when she made her application that she was denied that she was being singled out because Milan's which is literally within right across the parking lot the comedy club they have hookah now brownstone has hookah now there's many places that have hookah because we don't have regular [1:20:07, 1:20:27]: regulation in order to rein it in to regulate it. So taking these steps without the proper procedures is there's a lot of restaurants that have already invested, bars that have invested into this technology. I don't smoke. I can't stand to be in a place where smoke is. I don't like it. [1:20:27, 1:20:47]: But at the same time, as Mr. Blount said, it's an economic driver. When McDonough has it, when all the surrounding cities have it, it is a competitive advantage for them when a restaurant looks and they're looking at profit. They're looking at profit margin and what they can do in terms of uh how they can keep a restaurant open. And we know [1:20:47, 1:20:57]: fifty percent of all new restaurants fail within the first year. And these profit margins are the difference between them making a profit and them going out of business. [1:20:57, 1:21:17]: And then this is a part of what the free market society is like. If you don't choose to partake or go into that restaurant because of smoke, that's your trouble. There are restaurants now that I don't go in because they allow smoking. I made a choice. I'm not going over there because you allow cigarette smoking. I think in terms of the argument. [1:21:17, 1:21:37]: That was made about the vape shops. We have clear, I think we have regulation in our ULDC about the prohibition of those on certain corridors and also a limitation on where they can be and the number of them. So we have them pretty much locked in. I would want this to be airtight to have. [1:21:37, 1:21:57]: Have no fun intended, airtight to say that it would need to be a separate room uh with some type of ventilation uh system installed in it. So customers who did choose to come in would be allowed to uh eat in peace. And then customers would have that uh uh flow because again. [1:21:57, 1:22:17]: I was at Frozen Smoke the other night and uh talking to the owner and the owner wants to do uh cigars uh in his establishment. And you know, he asked me what I th what the what the city policy was. I was unclear. I was unclear on what the actual what that was called for. [1:22:17, 1:22:37]: But I think as Mr. Blount said, there would need to be clear regulation on the fact that you you would derive the majority of your income from food. This would indeed have to be quantified and specified what a auxiliary use was. It couldn't just be you. [1:22:37, 1:22:57]: You were opening up to do hookah and you only serve 10% food. It would have to be, as the regulation says now, the majority of uh your food, and that would need to be a process put in place to actually uh verify that that is being done. So my position is I'm certainly as [1:22:57, 1:23:17]: Anti-smoke as anybody. You can't smoke in my house. You can't even in the door. No, you cannot. But I understand. I don't speak just for me. I have to serve the entire community. And as Mr. Blount said, there is a segment of the population that derived that that seeks this particular service. I would want a differentiation between [1:23:17, 1:23:37]: Between I would not allow cigarette smoke. There would need to be some differentiation. It would be hookah or in hookah specific or in cigars, not just opening it up to everybody. It would be specific to those particular items where it would be cigars and it would be hookah that would not be cigarettes that would not. [1:23:37, 1:23:57]: Be any other anywhere down the line of anything else illegalized, that certainly wouldn't be allowed either. So that's my take on it. I don't want to slam the door on it because of the free market element and the competitive disadvantage that it would put us in because all these McDonough allows it, that McDonough just allowed a cigarette. [1:23:57, 1:24:17]: Cigar Lounge to open on the square. The cigar lounge is they're not even required to have food. They just have cigars. And we don't currently allow that. I know Brownstone has it. They do hookah uh as well. So there are numerous businesses that we would have enforcement issues on to go and tell them. [1:24:17, 1:24:30]: that they got they've invested in this equipment and they need to get rid of it and they can't use it any longer. So I support this with uh the regulations as mentioned by Mayor Pro Tem and Mr. Blount. [1:24:31, 1:24:36]: Ms uh Ms. Gann, go ahead please. Thank you. Um so [1:24:37, 1:24:46]: I don't know. I've after l listening to our council members, I think that we need to do a little bit more research on it. Um, I would like to know what other cities are doing. [1:24:46, 1:25:06]: what the trend is, but I definitely don't believe that we should allow forty nine up to forty nine percent. No. Is what's stated here. If you look into I think up to forty nine percent of sales can be towards hookah or and it says vape, it says tobacco, cigars. I can see if it's a [1:25:06, 1:25:10]: I can't or a bar. [1:25:10, 1:25:18]: But a restaurant, Angie's Cafe, I'm no offense to Angie's Cafe, but it's a restaurant. People go in to eat breakfast, they go in to eat dinner. [1:25:19, 1:25:37]: I don't think that we should open the gates to allow everyone that means Burger King can say, you know what, let's put a room up here and you can come in and do hookah because you're opening the door to everyone, allowing to I'm I'm being extreme, but it allows [1:25:37, 1:25:52]: that based off of the way it's written, it would allow for that to take place. And I don't think that that is what we're looking at. I think that there's a place, a specific place for that. If they want a hookah lounge, then they come here and ask us for a hookah lounge. [1:25:52, 1:26:01]: This thing says up to 49%. I'm not by f and then so that means fifty-one percent food, forty-nine percent hookah vape, or whatever. [1:26:02, 1:26:03]: And the facts are [1:26:03, 1:26:08]: Real quick, you know I love facts and I Google while I'm up here, guys. [1:26:08, 1:26:11]: But hookul hookah [1:26:11, 1:26:31]: Smoke has high levels of harmful chemicals. These include tar, carbon monoxide, heavy metals, and cancer causing chemicals called carcinogens or whatever it is. I don't know. Carcinogens. Carcinogens. Whatever. Carcinogens, excuse me. In fact, hookah smokers smokers are exposed to [1:26:31, 1:26:37]: more carbon monoxide and smoke than our cigarette smokers. [1:26:38, 1:26:40]: So the source is [1:26:41, 1:26:46]: The Mayo Clinic.org. Mayoclinic.org. [1:26:48, 1:26:52]: And the next source is medical Stanford education. [1:26:52, 1:26:59]: It also says facts that hookah sessions are typically about an hour in length. [1:26:59, 1:27:03]: Which is an estimated two hundred puffs per session. [1:27:04, 1:27:11]: Hookahs users and I'm sorry, let me back back. The question was how many cigarettes equal to one hookah? [1:27:12, 1:27:13]: Hookah. [1:27:14, 1:27:27]: And the fact the answer was facts hookah sessions are t typically around an hour in length, which is estimated two hundred puffs per session. Hookah users would consume an equivalent of a hundred cigarettes. [1:27:28, 1:27:32]: From one of these sessions, hookah is addictive. [1:27:32, 1:27:52]: Not that we're telling people how to control their life. Exactly. I'm not trying to tell you how to control your life. I'm not telling you not to drink. I'm not telling you not to smoke. But what I'm telling you is that we do need to limit these type of addictions, these types of dangers, into its own isolated buildings. So if you want to smoke, smoke away. But you're going to smoke in the [1:27:52, 1:27:53]: Yeah. [1:27:53, 1:28:01]: You want to smoke, smoke away, but you're gonna smoke in that hookah lounge. You go to a club, they have hookahahs, so be it. You know they have hookahs. [1:28:04, 1:28:12]: You're not gonna interfere with everyone's use and enjoyment of restaurant eating. If they wanted that, then they should have applied for a lounge. [1:28:14, 1:28:15]: You know? [1:28:15, 1:28:23]: We're opening the door. Let's do some common sense thinking here. These are facts, and I think that we should uh do a little bit more research on it. [1:28:24, 1:28:32]: Not trying to slap anybody on the hand and say, shame on you, but I think that we need to be very careful when we open the door to that. [1:28:33, 1:28:37]: Because you can't say hookah's less harmful than cigarettes. [1:28:37, 1:28:41]: Based off the Mail Clinic, bla based off of Stanford University. [1:28:41, 1:28:44]: And Columbia University, that's not the case. [1:28:44, 1:28:47]: No that's more than one study. [1:28:48, 1:28:57]: That's the first thing that pops up on Google and it's not it's it's it's actually a internet it's a day No, it's not I'm I'm basing it off of medical research. [1:28:58, 1:29:10]: So I get it. I'm not here to argue and debate it. It's up for everyone else to do your own research. That's fine. But I'm here to make a the best decision I think I should make for our community. [1:29:11, 1:29:16]: Mayor Ford. And that having said that, I believe that they should be [1:29:16, 1:29:18]: I'm gonna agree with our um [1:29:19, 1:29:20]: Our um [1:29:22, 1:29:24]: Planning and zoning committee or or [1:29:24, 1:29:25]: And I I believe [1:29:26, 1:29:46]: that we should not right now I I'm thinking that we move to table this and get some more research on it. I can't do it's a public hearing. Okay, well let's get the public hearing going. But I would after that I I think that we should acqu get more research on this issue and listen to some of the some some of the constituents. Okay we'll a couple more uh council members need to speak. Mr Blount please. Uh [1:29:46, 1:29:51]: Uh yes. Um we appreciate the statistics. Um w one of the things that [1:29:52, 1:29:54]: When it comes to smoking. [1:29:55, 1:30:03]: One of the things that I learned in the city of Stockbridge is that, believe it or not, citizens, it it's illegal to smoke in cars with minors in the cars. [1:30:04, 1:30:08]: And when I implemented that, does the council agree with me? We have voted on it. [1:30:08, 1:30:14]: And it became law in the city of Stockbridge. So the victim is the child that has doesn't have a choice. [1:30:15, 1:30:19]: When you see people smoking in cars with children, call the police. [1:30:19, 1:30:22]: That's how I feel about that. [1:30:22, 1:30:25]: But when you talk about an adult activity [1:30:25, 1:30:26]: That adults have a [1:30:27, 1:30:32]: That adults have the choice to do something or don't do something that's not illegal. [1:30:33, 1:30:36]: Is legal. Hookahs, cigars, they're legal. [1:30:37, 1:30:41]: And so when you talk about adults being able to partake of that [1:30:41, 1:30:48]: Then they're taking of something that's legal. I've never seen an accident and somebody said that I had too many I smoked too much hookah. [1:30:50, 1:30:57]: I've never seen they went down to the hospital and they say we got a whole bunch of people in here because they was driving and smoking a cigar. [1:30:59, 1:31:03]: Because adult activity that puts him there is drinking alcohol. [1:31:04, 1:31:08]: That's the biggest force of act of people hurting other people. [1:31:09, 1:31:15]: But when you talk about hookahs and you talk about uh uh and you talk about cigars [1:31:15, 1:31:25]: You're talking about a people that have the right to do something that's illegal. I'm only saying it that if we put it and allow this, that we put stipulations in place that protects everybody. [1:31:26, 1:31:33]: You can't just uh uh you know, have a chicken chong movie every restaurant you go to because we don't we don't care about ventilation. [1:31:34, 1:31:36]: That's that's what that's my thing is. [1:31:37, 1:31:48]: But I believe adults have the right to do what adults is able to do and if it's not illegal. Restaurants have the capital this is a capitalist society. If you want to open up a restaurant and have hooking, you fail because of that. [1:31:50, 1:31:53]: Then that's because you done something that the citizen didn't want. [1:31:53, 1:31:59]: If everybody in here say I don't want hookahs, I don't want cigars and they open one right here in this community, what is it gonna do? [1:32:00, 1:32:01]: It's gonna fail. [1:32:02, 1:32:03]: It's not gonna go anywhere. [1:32:04, 1:32:08]: Because adults have choice to do what adults do in adults facilities. [1:32:09, 1:32:17]: So for me, I don't want to regulate that. I only want to put stipulations on the health mechanism of it. [1:32:17, 1:32:23]: And make sure that if they're allowed to do it, because it's hard to police that. [1:32:24, 1:32:28]: And as we was uh was told today, there are places that are doing it that [1:32:28, 1:32:32]: that uh it's hard to police that. Let me just put it that way. [1:32:33, 1:32:39]: But if we allow it, what we can police is that they had a mechanism in place to control it. [1:32:39, 1:32:56]: That's all it's Sir. Mr Mr Stemma, Mr. Thomas, please. Uh Mayor Ford, um, I was gonna move that we go to the public hearing, but but let me just say this uh about tobacco and and the freedom of choice. Now even the surge in general um [1:32:57, 1:33:04]: indicate disclaimers on tobacco products uh and the percentage of cancer causing. [1:33:05, 1:33:05]: But [1:33:06, 1:33:08]: Users still have a choice. [1:33:08, 1:33:28]: But that is a stipulation that's out there. So my recommendation would be after the public hearing, I'm gonna agree with uh Councilwoman Gantt, is that we need to go back and do a little bit more research. But that still needs to be stipulations with this. And I and I appreciate those stats. Um and I I think those stats are very important. [1:33:28, 1:33:48]: Uh but again if we could let's let's go forward with the public hearing. We will shortly before we go there though. Ms. Barber. Yeah, I was gonna come to you. I figured you didn't have you had something to say. Really quick. Um now understanding there is a difference between the categories, restaurants and lounges. I do agree with Councilwoman Gantt when she [1:33:48, 1:33:49]: [5629.8, 5633.3]: Making sure that these business owners are applying for the right [1:33:55, 1:33:59]: Application or business license, um, lounges um do. [1:33:59, 1:34:01]: Um and should be [1:34:01, 1:34:03]: Designated for hookahs and [1:34:04, 1:34:17]: Cigars, but when it comes to restaurants, not so much. Um most folks go to restaurants specifically to eat. Lounges are designated for leisure. [1:34:17, 1:34:17]: So [1:34:18, 1:34:25]: I wouldn't support this, but I do support um Councilwoman Gantt's comments. We need to do more research on this. [1:34:25, 1:34:31]: So thank you. All right. Miss Alizana, we you've spoken a few times. Let's go to the public hearing. Okay. [1:34:32, 1:34:51]: Public hearing, I want to open the public hearing up. All right. So what we're gonna do, we're gonna start on my left side and anybody that's for, having comments for, if that's the case, you'll line up on this side, on my left side, and then I'll allow you to speak if that's the case. So anybody for my very uh far left? Anybody for this hookah lounge is in this aspect here? [1:34:52, 1:34:54]: Or for in restaurants. Okay, anybody in the middle? Four. [1:34:55, 1:34:56]: Anybody in the middle? [1:34:57, 1:35:01]: My far right. Anybody for this aspect? Four. [1:35:02, 1:35:03]: All right, seeing none. [1:35:03, 1:35:10]: Anybody against that wants to comment? Anybody against in my far left? You know, anybody against? Against. [1:35:10, 1:35:14]: Ma'am, if you want you can stand up we'll have you uh give you three minutes here in just a bit. Anybody else in the [1:35:15, 1:35:18]: in the middle that's against this, wants to comment about this, the subject. [1:35:19, 1:35:21]: Anybody against on the far right? [1:35:22, 1:35:31]: All right, if that's the case, ma'am, if you wanna come to this uh kind of podium and and make your comments, give you a name and address and uh we'll get you three minutes to uh make a comment. [1:35:33, 1:35:43]: Okay. Uh my name is Regina Ubadiniru. I live at two thirty Hillendale Drive and I'm against it because um I think it's just dangerous. [1:35:44, 1:35:49]: Dangerous to families going to um to restaurants. As far as a hookah allowance. [1:35:50, 1:35:58]: Um, or cigar allowance that's different and um to each his own, but for restaurants, families. [1:35:59, 1:36:02]: Even someone by themselves going there, you want to enjoy your meal. [1:36:03, 1:36:12]: It's not going to be smoke free. You're going to be in hell in it um just like the ones who are around partaking in it. So I'm against it for that reason. Thank you. Appreciate it. [1:36:16, 1:36:24]: Hm? I think she needs your last name? My last name oo u uh uh u-b-a-d-i-n-i-r-u. [1:36:24, 1:36:34]: Mm-hmm. Okay. So comments am uh made against. Open it up. No, you're fine, ma'am. Comments that uh for were not seen. So I will close the open hearing. [1:36:34, 1:36:47]: Uh uh excuse me, the public hearing on this topic anyway. On that note, Council I need a motion whether or not uh we're gonna accept this potential uh change uh in our in ordinance here. Mayor. [1:36:47, 1:36:48]: This cat. [1:36:48, 1:37:08]: I move that we table this issue until we do further research on it and find a better way of um determining what w what facilities should we allow hookahs to be a part of. Okay. And cigar. Is there a second? I second. Ms. Barber second. All in favor please indicate. [1:37:08, 1:37:28]: Discussion. Okay. You want to have discussion, sir? Yeah, I'll do that. Make this your last comment, sir. My my com well, certainly I only got to speak one time the last time, but I thought you said I spoke three. But let me let me say this. Certainly I'm in agreement with the fact that it shouldn't be forty-nine percent. It certainly should be a much lower percentage than forty-nine percent. [1:37:28, 1:37:42]: But listen, y'all know me up here. I'm not about anything but economic development and competitiveness because soon every tax dollar we take in from a business is a tax that's that the citizens don't have to pay. [1:37:42, 1:38:02]: And when somebody looks at the chart and they say, Well, I can go to McDonough and build my restaurant like they're already doing right now, we get one here and there. They're killing us because of regulations such as this. It's the is that it's encumbersome. We got business owners that we can go back to if we do when we do table this to [1:38:02, 1:38:22]: Talk to them to see what they think about what's going on here. I'm gonna, I'm just again, I don't allow smoke in my own house, but grown folks are allowed to do what they desire to do. But again, I think we came into this with the right set of guidelines, which is it it needs to be in a separate [1:38:22, 1:38:42]: Room with its own ventilation. The separate room with its own ventilation, they can't be smoking out in the general area. They need to be smoking in a separate room with its separate ventilation. And that number needs to be uh that number of the restaurant needs to have more money. And when a business owner [1:38:42, 1:38:53]: comes to me and says I feel like I've been discriminated against because everybody around me is doing it and I don't. That's why I brought it to the council for the council to take a look at it and to see what's going on. [1:38:53, 1:39:13]: But the thing that we need to study is how many businesses are already doing it. And like Mr. Blount said, we got to go back and regulate to tell all these businesses that have already invested they can't do it anymore. So those are the things that I want staff to go back and look at. What are the percentages in the surrounding areas to be able to [1:39:13, 1:39:33]: do it and then because if you require the separate room and you require the separate ventilation, that's a high cost, that's a high barrier. I don't suppose that a whole lot of restaurants might actually do that. But again, it gives them the option to do so and it does not put the city at a competitive disadvantage. [1:39:33, 1:39:53]: Which is I can go and do this at all the cities surrounding you. That was a good point. Let's make sure that we look at what McDonough is doing, what Hampton is doing, what um you know Morro is doing, what the surrounding jurisdictions are doing, what Jonesboro is doing. Those cities, Jonesboro and McDonough are winning. And we have [1:39:53, 1:39:58]: slow economic growth in our downtown, we can't seem to bring it forward. So [1:39:58, 1:40:18]: I'm not against the proposal. I'm not for the proposal because I don't smoke again. I have never smoked and I will never smoke. I understand that, but grown folks get to decide what grown folks do. And that's what generally it refers to when you talk about freedom of expression and what you have here in our [1:40:18, 1:40:25]: city. But right now we we kind of have we're at a crux of what we're going to do. Nobody up here [1:40:25, 1:40:35]: says that smoking is okay. I ain't never said that. I would never say that. I don't think sm we know smoking is dangerous. Been on pack a cigarette now for fifty years. [1:40:35, 1:40:46]: So that's not the contention. It's dangerous. We all agree on that. But how do we come across this with our business owners and say separate room ventilation and put the standards in place? [1:40:47, 1:40:59]: Right, so otherwise uh I imagine uh Miss Carter you'll take some notes on that. The city manager motion no the motion the motion's on midmaid, so yeah, but I'm asked I wanna need to ask her if she would amend it because [1:41:00, 1:41:20]: Well, well let me before you do that, so I would imagine you took Cobra Snooks on this first, okay? You did. And I'll know that this that you're gonna crosswalk this with the city manager as well. Okay. And and I'll bring it back to you all like we had our meetings initially to talk about these matters um and address some very specific things like um the distance requirements. [1:41:20, 1:41:40]: having the separate room with proper ventilation, looking at the percentage of revenue that one would obtain from this type of business, and look at surrounding areas for to see how the percentage is set up or if it's just lounges, if it's bars, because [1:41:39, 1:41:59]: sports bars they have food and things like that. So we can make the distinction between a restaurant versus a bar versus a lounge. And then um look at code enforcement and what percentage of our city maybe there are folks who are operating, you know, outside of the the requirements of the code. So we'll need to address that as well. [1:41:59, 1:42:12]: All right. I think that covers that. Well stand by please. Mr. Blount, your concerns. Yeah, that was that was a part of what because the the actual motion that's being voted on didn't have those specifics in it. And um [1:42:13, 1:42:27]: I would like for those specifics to be in writing given to us. Okay. That those are the things that are covered in the motion that Ms. Gettys. If she's a willing to accept that as a part of the motion. [1:42:28, 1:42:48]: Oh yes, I can. I can accept those things that you're gonna research in addition to maybe you find some more, like Georgia has smoking regulation laws where if a t a child a minute child can't go into a restaurant if it's smoking, you have to be over eighteen years old. So you have to have those proper ventilation. [1:42:47, 1:42:50]: You have to have certain things separated. [1:42:50, 1:42:50]: And [1:42:51, 1:43:05]: Um can councilwin Alexander had mentioned Milan's, which is not too far from Angie's cafe, but Milan's is a lounge. It has a pool table, has a dance floor and a bar and a and a DJ booth. [1:43:06, 1:43:10]: That's totally different from a restaurant that has a menu and all they do is serve food. [1:43:10, 1:43:18]: And so we just need to be careful. We don't want to be overly saturated with those things. And once we do that, [1:43:19, 1:43:27]: Want you know, we can't just send me something to say, oh, let's vote on this and change it and allow restaurants to do this without adding in the law. [1:43:28, 1:43:29]: The state law [1:43:29, 1:43:30]: Certainly. [1:43:31, 1:43:44]: The state law is required in order to get a business license and it's already included and ventilation is part of health standards through this the county. So that would have to be maybe we need a description on what we consider a lounge and slash a restaurant. [1:43:44, 1:43:50]: And look at that number, that forty nine percent number, because uh that's a bit much. [1:43:50, 1:43:55]: Right? Um it is. Um I'm I'm just saying [1:43:57, 1:44:04]: We we need to be careful with that. And the business owner, that's on them. That that decision, I agree with Councilman Blount, that decision is on them. [1:44:05, 1:44:08]: Whether they want minors to come in there or not, but we all know. [1:44:09, 1:44:17]: You know, there are some facilities here that have the wall. There's one I can think of that has a separation and I can still smell the smoke when I walk in it. [1:44:19, 1:44:34]: I mean, I'm just saying, I mean if it's for adults, it's for adults. If it's gonna be a restaurant, it's gonna be a restaurant. And how many of these are we gonna allow? That's something we need to think about. And the reason why is because then everything becomes a lounge, restaurant. [1:44:34, 1:44:36]: They would look like old national. [1:44:37, 1:44:48]: So the our code already specifies a one mile distance requirement for these uses. So if there are uses that are happening that shouldn't be, that becomes a code enforcement matter we do need to address. [1:44:48, 1:45:00]: All right, so Miss Gand, you are s the things that were brought to the attention of Miss uh Miss Carter here, that she mentioned to you, you're willing to have those in your motion. I am. Okay and some. Whatever you can find. [1:45:01, 1:45:08]: Okay. First of all, listen um clerk, were you able to get get those specific things that were mentioned repeated by Miss Carter? [1:45:08, 1:45:23]: Most of them there. What I wanna include in there is as described by the community development director. Okay. And that means she would have that and you'll be able to interpret that and put that into the minutes itself. Okay. Did did we have a date specific that this is coming back? [1:45:24, 1:45:29]: Pacific date. Hold on Council Pacific Date. [1:45:31, 1:45:51]: I left the staff. How long do they have to do that? We can get it back at the next meeting in in July. It's July, that's July twelfth, I believe it is. Right. Because our next meeting is next week, so we won't have it by then, but we can have it by the July tenth meeting. Do we have the timeline to or will this be a continuation of the public hearing? [1:45:51, 1:45:53]: This would be a continuation. [1:45:53, 1:46:05]: It would need to unless the decision is to make the well I'll tell you since we've had the public hearing already. Yeah, we I just had it. Mr Washington. [1:46:06, 1:46:22]: Th y the it's a reference to we got a motion on the floor, we'll do some additional research, things of this nature, right? The question is which you can bring this top subject back on july tenth, our next uh next official council meeting. I'm assuming that has to be a public hearing to do that again. Once again, is that correct? [1:46:27, 1:46:36]: Okay, well we ended it tonight, but we got additional research so we'll have to conclude we'll have to extend it, is what it amounts to, it seems like to me. I just wanna make sure I got a legal opinion from you. [1:46:40, 1:46:42]: [6404.1, 6410.7]: All right. So be it's still the same. It's still the same mat. If not changed, then the public really didn't notice about it with map. [1:46:52, 1:47:06]: Okay. All right. So be it. All right, so the motion's been made on the floor. Mr. Blount, are you still seconding that motion, sir? No, uh I'm I'm sorry, but down here uh I have Gantt and Barber made. Oh Barber must Barber you will still second the motion? I'm sorry. [1:47:07, 1:47:10]: Okay, great. So Yeah, but we're s we're speaking on ventilation. [1:47:12, 1:47:14]: Can't we ventilate in here? [1:47:15, 1:47:26]: It's pretty warm in here. I mean, what's going on with the heat in it? We got a lot of people here. We're generating heat. All right, motion been made been second. All in favor of motion, please indicate. Thank you very much. Okay. [1:47:27, 1:47:37]: Uh I uh mister Aaron. Uh Mr Aaron, I know you're in a building. Is there something else that you potentially do in reference to what's happening in council chambers? [1:47:38, 1:47:39]: Screen me? [1:47:39, 1:47:41]: Okay, thank you. [1:47:42, 1:48:02]: All right, so what we have next is conditional. We'll continue on a public hearing on a different subject here. Conditional, conditional use permit case, CU 2023-01, Council District 4. Consideration of a request for the conditional use permit to allow for development of a place of worship at 713 Valley Hill Road. [1:48:02, 1:48:22]: Property is located land lot 103 of District 12 and contains 4,000 plus minus acres within a stock bridge city limits. The Planning Commission recommended approval of the staff's conditions. Plus, they added one condition that the applicant hold a community meeting prior to the 12th June council meeting. Applicant held that meeting on Monday, June. [1:48:22, 1:48:28]: June fifth. It's presented by um well Ryan, Mr. Anderson please. Okay. [1:48:30, 1:48:31]: [6515.0, 6515.2]: [1:48:36, 1:48:37]: This mouse is not working. [1:48:52, 1:48:55]: Sorry, hold on. [1:49:24, 1:49:30]: Just having a hard time, sir? Yeah. Some way get some assistance here. [1:49:31, 1:49:33]: Probably went out earlier when I had my jump drive. [1:49:35, 1:49:36]: That's not it, though. [1:49:37, 1:49:41]: Why are you taking your tape? [1:49:44, 1:49:48]: I did, but it won't won't do nothing. [1:49:48, 1:49:50]: So there I'm going to do that. Mm-hmm. [1:49:54, 1:49:55]: Not there. [1:49:58, 1:50:13]: It won't do anything. Okay, it could very well be. Yeah. Well well then that's just it'll take care of you gotta walk through the process here. [1:50:16, 1:50:22]: Don't we have any IT people here? Sorry, sir. I said we don't have anybody from IT. This thing is [1:50:22, 1:50:25]: All right, here he comes. Oh. [1:50:27, 1:50:30]: I don't know what's going on. I wanna open it's just buffer. [1:50:30, 1:50:32]: It'll save to the desktop. [1:50:39, 1:50:42]: Open up the open. [1:51:08, 1:51:13]: It's on the it's on the um [1:51:15, 1:51:17]: He also downloaded it here. [1:51:18, 1:51:20]: I'm sure that's the same out of it. [1:51:25, 1:51:42]: Please You want me to re you want me to restart? Yeah I'm gonna go restart. Nah shit. Like it's not responding on the everything. [1:51:48, 1:51:50]: Yeah. I'm just I'm just not. [1:51:52, 1:52:02]: Mayor. Yes, Mayor. If I may. And and Miss Carter, I'm sorry. Just one thing from the other one, even though we have already voted. Um, just something to think about. [1:52:02, 1:52:22]: On here it says hookah bars, lounges, cigar bar lounges, and tobacco vape shops. There's a difference between to me the hookah lounges and cigar lounges compared to someone just selling tobacco and bait. They're not actually smoking it right then and there. I definitely [1:52:22, 1:52:25]: I don't care if it is regulated. [1:52:27, 1:52:27]: Thank you. [1:52:29, 1:52:33]: Should we be doing that on the microphone? Is that we close it? [1:52:34, 1:52:38]: Did we close the mean? I thought we had closed there. We we did close the subject, sir. [1:52:45, 1:52:47]: That needs to be stricken from the record, sir. [1:52:54, 1:52:54]: Okay. [1:53:09, 1:53:10]: Yeah. [1:53:16, 1:53:20]: So [1:53:25, 1:53:27]: Uh what's going on the technology? [1:53:30, 1:53:33]: I call presentation up. Somehow the presentation that comes from revolution. [1:53:35, 1:53:37]: I think everything's all warm. [1:53:45, 1:53:46]: Yeah, it's just [1:53:48, 1:53:49]: Okay. [1:53:53, 1:53:58]: say tobacco and they are stuck. [1:54:15, 1:54:28]: Only research is just two restaurants always have you go talk during the restaurant. You should go and talk to the restaurant like that. [1:54:33, 1:54:35]: [6878.7, 6880.3]: Okay, listen to that. [1:54:42, 1:54:43]: [6889.9, 6891.7]: Oh. [1:54:52, 1:54:54]: Well, for the rest of what we may go back. [1:54:55, 1:54:56]: Because it's wild for that. [1:54:56, 1:55:08]: That's how it was set up. So in me and Platform restaurant, you told me that you would come back and apply for the other one in the later thing. [1:55:21, 1:55:23]: They've got a rule. [1:55:24, 1:55:26]: We're like the wee. [1:55:50, 1:56:01]: You know, you might be able to fifteen or fifteen percent of twenty two certain number one. [1:56:02, 1:56:05]: All these ones uh you're right, people want to. [1:56:05, 1:56:11]: Yes. [1:56:20, 1:56:24]: But I think that's the lot of cash in the end of the code. [1:56:31, 1:56:32]: This one. [1:56:34, 1:56:38]: [6999.6, 7002.5]: All those vendors are simulation. [1:56:44, 1:56:45]: [7032.5, 7034.1]: Yeah. [1:57:26, 1:57:26]: All right. [1:57:28, 1:57:31]: Okay, it looks like we're we're we're we're we got it going on now. [1:57:31, 1:57:39]: All right, Council. Uh we'll we'll continue on with the meeting. Ms. Addison, the floor is yours, sir. With the presentation. [1:57:41, 1:58:00]: Uh this is a uh application for a permit for a condition for a conditional use permit at 713 Valley Hill Road. This is one of four items that that is related to this particular development, but this particular case right here is um strictly related to the church. [1:58:06, 1:58:11]: Here's the aerial photo of the site. There's with my cursor. There, that's the property right there. [1:58:15, 1:58:17]: Here's the recorded plat for the property. [1:58:20, 1:58:40]: Give you a little background information. The property ownership. The subject property at 713 Valley Hill Road is owned by the applicant Victory Worship Center, Church of God in Christ. The applicant also owns the adjacent property to the west, parcel number 029-011-009001. Both properties have been owned by the applicant. [1:58:40, 1:59:00]: Since 2004. The first parcel is the four is a four-acre tract, and that is the parcel that we'll be discussing during this particular case, and it's for a church. Victory Worship Center is an existing church in the city of Stockbridge. Currently, it is located at 6043 North Henry Boulevard within Council District. [1:59:00, 1:59:17]: The church currently operates out of retail space and a commercial center, and it seeks to build a new church, building on the property which it which it has owned since 2009. The subject property was annexed into the city from unincorporated Henry County due to the passage of the 2022 referendum. [1:59:18, 1:59:38]: The applicant previously obtained approval in 2006 from Henry County for a conditional use permit to use the property at 713 Valley Hill Road for a place of worship. However, since the property was annexed into the city, the conditional use permit was issued by Henry County and is not valid within the city of Stockbridge, and the city [1:59:38, 1:59:41]: required the applicant to apply for a new conditional use permit. [1:59:43, 1:59:52]: For tax assessment purposes, the Henry County Tax Assessors Office maintains a list of churches within the city of Stockbridge. As of May 22, 2023. [1:59:53, 2:00:07]: There are 25 churches located within the Stockbridge City Limit. Of those, the planning and zoning staff has determined that 14 of them are located within Council District 4, including the applicant existing church at 6043 North Henry Boulevard. [2:00:09, 2:00:29]: Here's the surrounding land use for around the property. You have a main road, Valley Hill Road. The yellow is surrounding the church is RR rural residential. The gold is suburban residential. The rust is CCR. The orange is MHR, which is mobile home. [2:00:29, 2:00:40]: Residential. The brown is multifamily residential, and the light pink is C1, the medium pink is C2, the red is C3, and the teal is PUD. [2:00:49, 2:01:09]: Case facts. Um the subject property is four acres. Uh it's in District 12, Landlot 103. Once again it's in Council District 4. The Victory Worship Center, the agent is Reverend Keith G. Nation. Um the surrounding zone is to the to the north and east. You got rural residential to the south and west. You got [2:01:09, 2:01:29]: PUD, south side of Valley Hill Road, immediately of Vallandale Drive. The property along Valley Hill Road in the lowest area is vacant. To the north, you got Clayton County Water Authority. To the east, you got Vacant Residential. South and west, you got Valley Hill Station Subdivision. North you got parking recreation conservation. [2:01:29, 2:01:35]: And south and east and west, you got rural residential. Baller Hill Road is classified as a major collective. [2:01:36, 2:01:41]: Um the applicant's joint site plan shows a development proposal. [2:01:42, 2:01:53]: Uh it shows a s a church sanctuary will have a twelve thousand five hundred and eighty-six feet and the largest assembly area will have three thousand three hundred and fifty square feet. Also [2:01:53, 2:02:06]: This is uh uh really related to the next upcoming cases. On the on the joint site plan here has a townhome development consisting of fifty-six units, all three or four bedrooms at a density of seven point one two units per acre. [2:02:11, 2:02:14]: Uh the church will have a hundred and twelve parking spaces. [2:02:15, 2:02:27]: And an in addition, it's required to have 112 parking spaces and it will have an additional nine parking spaces for a total of 121 parking spaces. There is two is there are two existing residences on the property and they have two parking spaces. [2:02:30, 2:02:34]: Here's the proposed site plan of the church and the worship center. [2:02:37, 2:02:39]: Another angle of the site plan. [2:02:40, 2:02:42]: Here go the elevations for the church. [2:02:56, 2:02:59]: Not gonna go through all that for time's sake. Um [2:03:03, 2:03:23]: Staff findings. The applicant seeks to construct the church building on property which is which it has owned since 2005. Although the applicant already obtained approval from Henry County in 2006 for a conditional use permit to build a place of worship on the subject property, that condition pro conditional use permit has become void when the applicant property was annexed into the city. [2:03:23, 2:03:43]: The applicant is therefore seeking a new conditional use permit from the city. If the requested conditional use permit is approved, the applicant will relocate his existing church from his leased retail space at 6043 North Henry Boulevard to a new building to be constructed on the subject property at 713 Valley Hill Road. The applicant meets the required. [2:03:43, 2:04:03]: Standards for places of worship as well as the required standards for granting conditional use permit. In view of these facts, as well as the foregoing analysis, the planning and zoning staff conclude that the applicants request for a conditional use permit via CU 2023-01 to allow the use of it, the use of the subject property for a place of worship. [2:04:03, 2:04:06]: worship would be acceptable and should be approved with conditions. [2:04:11, 2:04:12]: Um [2:04:14, 2:04:26]: I'm gonna read the conditions. The proposed condition number one, the proposed town home development shall be constructed according to a site plan, which is very similar to the one which is shown in this [2:04:27, 2:04:47]: Which the applicant submitted entitled Proposed Victory Worship Center Master Plan. Option two Prepared by Ace Group. Dated May twentieth, twenty twenty-three. Additional building uses and activities. If additional building uses or activities are proposed on the subject property, these shall meet the requirements of subsection. [2:04:47, 2:05:01]: 3.24 of the Unified Development Code, in particular for the establishment of a church parsonage. A parsonage lot shall be delineated on the property and no daycare centers shall operate on the property since it is residentially zoned. [2:05:02, 2:05:22]: Condition number three, sufficient parking shall pre be provided at all times to adequately accommodate the anticipated growth in church membership, as well as the holding of special events with a significant number of guests. Such parking may include church bus or van parking, off-site parking with a specific distance via a shared parking agreement or another acceptable. [2:05:22, 2:05:25]: Multiple provisions to be determined and approved by the planning and zoning staff. [2:05:26, 2:05:38]: Property upkeep. The applicant was required to clean up the subject property and cut the grass. This was required by the Planning Commission. Uh the applicant was required to hold a community meeting prior to the city council meeting on June twentieth. [2:05:38, 2:05:42]: June twelfth, twenty twenty three. The applicant did that. [2:05:42, 2:05:47]: Um, does the Planning Commission recommend approval of this case with a total of these five conditions? [2:05:48, 2:05:50]: The applicant the applicant is here. [2:05:50, 2:06:00]: Yeah, uh I yeah, please uh have them come forward uh if you don't mind. Applicant uh stand by you get your chance for one second. [2:06:00, 2:06:02]: Well, okay. We can [2:06:03, 2:06:10]: We we we'd do that in just a second. Stand by. Applicant, s could you come forward for you? And uh wanna qu I wanna ask you a question here. [2:06:15, 2:06:18]: Good evening, Mayor and Council members. [2:06:18, 2:06:22]: I'm thankful for the opportunity to uh present. [2:06:22, 2:06:23]: Oh [2:06:23, 2:06:33]: uh requests before you. Well, my initial question is that in reference to the uh the meeting you had with the the meeting on the June fifth [2:06:34, 2:06:35]: How did that go? [2:06:36, 2:06:56]: We had uh made certain that we sent out over a hundred and thirty letters uh to the residents of the community. I think overall uh those who were in attendance were perhaps uh less than thirty, will not include uh the staffers. [2:06:56, 2:07:16]: Of my ministry, which were about six, and three others who were part of development staff. So I would say, venture to say, roughly about 20 uh residents were on that uh call. Uh if I need to add anything further, I could very well do so. But uh those were those who attended. Uh [2:07:16, 2:07:36]: I will say this: that of the number that were present, there were perhaps uh uh there were three, maybe four, uh, who were very uh vocal about their disapproval of our plans. Uh those that were on the call did have some remarks, but they were [2:07:36, 2:07:41]: But perhaps four that voiced their strong uh concerns about our project. [2:07:42, 2:07:46]: Okay, so this is a Zoom call, so was it was Zoom call perceived that this was not in person? [2:07:46, 2:07:58]: It was not in person. And one of the reasons I think we did not choose to do a in-person uh meeting it's because the timelines were so short. Uh we we had to get this done before this meeting. [2:07:58, 2:08:03]: А ви фельдтивозмо адважту до зум кол міни. [2:08:03, 2:08:23]: Which will allow those who are even traveling to uh to log in and be a part of the session. It would have been a preference, of course, to have an in-person uh meeting, but we did not have the adequate time to put one in place. And maybe I forgot if you said this I must have missed it. I forgot your name, sir. I do apologize. I'm Pastor Nation. Okay. Yes, sir. [2:08:23, 2:08:35]: All right. Uh Ryan, could you come back to the podium please? Please stand by, sir. Stand I want you to just be on standby, please. Thank you. All right, uh counsel, you have questions? [2:08:35, 2:08:55]: Yes. Uh I was unaware that Henry County had previously already given them approval for this particular project. Yes. So you said they purchased the property in 2009? 2005. 2005. So they've owned it since 2005. Yes. And they had endeavored. [2:08:55, 2:09:13]: Yes. Okay, when did Henry County approve the uh conditional use? They just approved the conditional use permit for the church. [2:09:13, 2:09:33]: Okay, so when did they do that? Uh in two thousand and six. Two thousand and six. So they've been operating in this fashion since two thousand six with the approval to build on that for property until they were annexed into the city. Yes, sir. So when they purchased the property, they had every intention of building a church. [2:09:33, 2:09:40]: At that facility. They had permission to build a church at that facility up until the time that they were annexed into the city. That's correct. [2:09:41, 2:09:56]: That I did not know that coming into this meeting. I'm not sure how many other people did know that'cause I certainly did not. So basically what you're telling us is that they already had the approval for the past what, a nearly seventeen year. [2:09:57, 2:10:17]: Eight how many eight seventeen, eighteen years. And then once the annexation had occurred, then now they're seeking to move forward. We just basically reaffirming the the conditional use permit. Okay, so that went through the full zoning process, it went through Henry County's Planning Commission, it went to the Board of Commissioners and it was approved both times. [2:10:17, 2:10:18]: Terms. [2:10:18, 2:10:20]: Y yes, back in two thousand and six, yes, sir. [2:10:21, 2:10:41]: Let me interrupt for a second, please. Ladies and gentlemen, um the council is going to ask questions, I'll ask questions of of the individuals that are at the podium. If you're sitting down in the audience, any one of the three sections, you need to be quiet, please. You no no need to make comments. You'll get your opportunities to speak for or against anything that comes on public uh public announcements or public hearings. [2:10:41, 2:10:50]: Here. So you'll get that opportunity. All right. So second question was how long have they been at their current location at the uh at where they are now in the strip center? [2:10:51, 2:11:11]: Uh we've been at that location for over uh twenty years. We're location we are now, holding our service, if I understand the question correctly. Okay, so you've been at the your current location in the city. In the city for over twenty for tw over twenty years. Okay. And obviously obviously uh as you move forward, this is the whole hope. [2:11:11, 2:11:14]: What's the point of order? [2:11:15, 2:11:19]: Um for public hearings or zoning cases. [2:11:19, 2:11:22]: We need to follow the proper protocols. [2:11:22, 2:11:24]: The questioning from the councils [2:11:24, 2:11:28]: Don't co don't happen until after [2:11:29, 2:11:37]: The developer makes his presentation. Of course, staff has already made their presentation. Public comments. That's nice. And then staff. [2:11:38, 2:11:42]: Ask their questions of the developer and [2:11:43, 2:11:45]: Uh the pastor and staff. [2:11:45, 2:11:46]: Not before. [2:11:47, 2:11:56]: The public makes their comments. Not true. I just ask that you allow Ms. Carter, who's a community development director. [2:11:56, 2:11:57]: To explain to you. [2:11:57, 2:12:00]: What the hearing protocols are. [2:12:00, 2:12:03]: So that we don't have the same issue that we had. [2:12:03, 2:12:04]: At the prior. [2:12:05, 2:12:07]: Rezoning. [2:12:07, 2:12:08]: This is in my district. [2:12:09, 2:12:25]: So I'll please allow her to explain you what the proper protocols are. I heard your your point of order. I'm gonna we're gonna continue on. Ms. Alizan has some questions. We're gonna continue. Point of order. Mayor Ford. Listen. Please allow the community development documents. Do you want to get an opportunity [2:12:25, 2:12:42]: What the steps, the proper protocol is for this rezoning hearing. I know the proper protocol. Now if you let if you allow me to continue on the meeting, Ms. Alexander will go ahead and call it. Mr. Alexander influencing the developer. [2:12:42, 2:13:02]: And staff here. All I'm asking is that you follow the proper procedures for a rezoning hearing and this is not it. It is it. Your point of owners overruled. I am the district representative. It doesn't matter in this case. It doesn't matter in this case. I haven't even spoken yet. Mr. Alexander, continue on, please. Because I'm expecting that. [2:13:02, 2:13:05]: And we're not. [2:13:06, 2:13:07]: Ms. Alexander, please continue on. [2:13:08, 2:13:28]: Let me say something. I've been on the planning and zoning board. I've been in doing this job now for uh eight or nine years. This is the zoning procedure. If you watch every last one of Henry County's meeting, if you watch every last one of Henry County's meetings, the staff asks questions. You ask questions of the staff first. [2:13:28, 2:13:48]: First, before anybody does anything. We done this in the past. We've been doing it for years. So I just want I just I just wanted to make sure that those two things were solid, that they had full approval for Henry County before they approached us. And the only change is that the annexation occurred, which basically [2:13:48, 2:13:51]: [8031.7, 8051.7]: That's correct. And they're coming in under the city's requirements. Absolutely. And he said that you've been in the city, they've been in the city for over twenty years at that location. As a matter of fact, see, the issue is we have a ordinance right now. So if they that against um places of gathering in strip centers [2:14:11, 2:14:12]: Is that correct? [2:14:12, 2:14:30]: We do. Because i in order to have a facility or a church, you have to have a standalone building, you have to have parking. There are a number of requirements that are required. We did that so that we can ha not have event centers and parking jamming up the strip centers. Is that correct? [2:14:31, 2:14:46]: That is correct. A minimum lot acreage is two acres and it has to be standalone. Right. We did that simply because we wanted to be able to open up those retail spaces to retail spaces and not have the parking tied up by places of assembly. Is that correct? [2:14:46, 2:14:47]: That's correct. [2:14:47, 2:15:05]: Right. So in other words, what we're doing now is if they were able to move from the location that they're at right now, which is Ty Inner Strip Center, to this standalone building, that will open up another s uh space for a n a commercial establishment. Is that correct? That is correct. All right, thank you. [2:15:06, 2:15:09]: Okay, council, any other questions? Yeah, go ahead, Mr. Blount. [2:15:09, 2:15:10]: Um [2:15:14, 2:15:23]: I guess all the information hadn't been given to me and um forgive me, I d you and I tried to connect. I had some questions I wanted to ask you, but you and I wasn't connecting. Um [2:15:23, 2:15:28]: And one one of the things that I didn't I know that people [2:15:30, 2:15:41]: find themselves looking for future usage or expansion. Businesses do it, we do it with our homes. We say, hey, we gotta start a home. Let's go buy a bigger home. [2:15:42, 2:15:46]: The only difference in this right now is that [2:15:48, 2:15:53]: he's been annexed, this property's been annexed into the city. Is that correct? [2:15:53, 2:16:04]: They made annexed into the city and they're looking to start building now. So because they're in under the city's jurisdiction, they have to meet the city requirements, which is somewhat different from the counties. [2:16:05, 2:16:16]: But prior to that, they've done everything right. They purchased the land for for future growth. They're prepared for future growth and [2:16:17, 2:16:37]: They didn't ask to be annexed to the city. And so I don't uh it it it it creates a kind of a convoluted situation because one of the things that I do is I look at each representative from those districts and I like for [2:16:37, 2:16:43]: them to take the lead, but you do have circumstances and situations that are unique. [2:16:44, 2:17:04]: And I think this is one of'em. Um, especially when it you know, when it comes to a church wanting to um expand their house of worship. So it just it just uh uh in lieu of knowing what I knew, I didn't know it to this extent. [2:17:05, 2:17:13]: Until now. Because we just got what the proposal and, you know, planning on the reports and all that, but I didn't know the [2:17:14, 2:17:17]: poor details and I'm sure I probably would have gotten that. [2:17:18, 2:17:25]: if that had been a connection which would which was attempted. Um so it it's it's just a interesting situation right. [2:17:27, 2:17:30]: Any other questions, uh go right in, Ms. Barber. [2:17:31, 2:17:37]: Ms. Carter, can you please explain and describe the rezoning hearing process? [2:17:38, 2:17:58]: Well, the the item before us is simply just the conditional use for the church. The rezoning is for the proposed townhomes. Those are the subsequent matters that are to come. But this is specifically in regards to the the church itself. Okay. I noticed that Mr. Anderson, he did provide some brief. [2:17:58, 2:18:02]: brief details in regards to the proposed townhome section. [2:18:03, 2:18:07]: But for this specific item we're only addressing [2:18:07, 2:18:16]: The conditional use permit to construct the church. That is correct. Okay. Yes now. At what point during this rezoning hearing? [2:18:16, 2:18:19]: Фа конструкціоне черч. [2:18:19, 2:18:22]: Will the public be allowed to make comments? [2:18:22, 2:18:42]: Um once you the council determines that they're asked the questions needed of staff and of the applicant, and then we open it up for public hearing for those who speak in favor and those who speak in opposition. Okay, so after the public speaks, and then you come back to the council for us to ask additional questions of staff. [2:18:42, 2:18:46]: That's correct. Okay. [2:18:51, 2:18:56]: All right, any questions, Council? Uh d Ms. Thomas, you good? [2:18:56, 2:18:57]: No question. [2:18:58, 2:19:06]: All right. Uh so another question. So otherwise if that's the case, I need a motion to to accept this particular proposal for the uh for the church. [2:19:07, 2:19:25]: Mayor Four. Mayor Four, we need we would need to open it up for the public. That's that is correct. There you go. So you're on your P's and Q's. All right. All right. Now, on that note, uh public hearing. Four. Public hearing four on the very left hand side. My very left hand side, four. [2:19:26, 2:19:27]: In the middle four. [2:19:28, 2:19:29]: Four. [2:19:29, 2:19:35]: Come on up. Well, actually what you do is line up on this side, sir. Line up on this side. Four. This is four for the church. Four on this side. [2:19:39, 2:19:52]: This is four, for the church. Just stand right there for a minute, sir. This is this is four. All right. Anybody else in the middle, four. And on this far right side, four. Approval of this the church and everything at this location. [2:19:52, 2:19:52]: All right. [2:19:53, 2:19:56]: So once you come if you're the only four, come to come here and uh [2:19:57, 2:19:59]: I'm sorry, there's somebody else on the side? [2:19:59, 2:20:03]: They can come forward. If they got come on up, man. You you can [2:20:03, 2:20:23]: Give your name and address, please, sir. You get three. Name and address and give you get three. Right. I reside at 413 Cannonball Court here in Stockbridge, part of Valley Hill Station subdivision. On this one item, the conditional use permit. [2:20:23, 2:20:43]: I'm in favor of that. Um we've known a church was wanting to move into that property uh for nearly 20 years. Um nothing has ever happened, but that was always a possibility. So as far as the conditional use for the [2:20:43, 2:20:50]: The church property itself, we have no problem, or I have no problem. Okay. Thank you. [2:20:53, 2:20:58]: So you if you I already asked the middle section, is it you wanna s you have a comment for the church? [2:20:59, 2:21:01]: I've already passed you, but come on, we got time. [2:21:04, 2:21:05]: Name and address, please. [2:21:08, 2:21:11]: Right me king one one one two Validale Drive. [2:21:14, 2:21:21]: When this first I don't know whether I'm far or against it. Well if this is comments comments a four. If you if you're against the ju if you're against the job. I'll put it out there and you y'all can [2:21:22, 2:21:25]: When no when we went to Henry County. [2:21:25, 2:21:26]: For the church. [2:21:27, 2:21:31]: Твої єрс агоф. Ви ток бата черч. [2:21:31, 2:21:33]: That's all we talked about. Okay. [2:21:33, 2:21:35]: Henry County told [2:21:36, 2:21:38]: To past or what they had to do. [2:21:38, 2:21:39]: It was accepted. [2:21:41, 2:21:41]: Every year [2:21:42, 2:21:44]: We called Henry County Sam. [2:21:44, 2:21:46]: What's gonna happen with the church? [2:21:47, 2:21:49]: Henry Canna kept saying they haven't done anything. [2:21:50, 2:21:51]: For the church. [2:21:51, 2:21:58]: There was no request to build anything, no building permits or nothing. We called year after year after year. Okay. [2:22:00, 2:22:02]: Твої тертін, твої ей тен. [2:22:03, 2:22:06]: They submitted some plans for the town homes. [2:22:06, 2:22:12]: Okay, sir. We knew nothing about it. Okay, sir, that's that's a that's coming up later. This is dealing particularly with the church. If you knew nothing about it. [2:22:13, 2:22:18]: All this time Henry County didn't know anything about townhomes. Okay. [2:22:18, 2:22:28]: We called every then. Sir listen. This is dealing with the church. You will get an opportunity to talk about specifically about the townhomes once we get through this process. But but when we talk to him [2:22:29, 2:22:32]: We hope that he would answer our questions. [2:22:33, 2:22:36]: If someone if you're saying about the church, but we couldn't get an answer [2:22:36, 2:22:52]: Which come first, the church or the townhome? Sir. Okay. You'll get the opportunity. You'll get an opportunity to do that in just a bit. Okay, the church. Yep. We could live with before. Okay. But we don't know if the church is going in [2:22:53, 2:23:00]: We don't know until we get the we find out when we take a vote. Oh, from f we when we take a vote. When the council takes a vote, they'll make a decision this evening in a few minutes. [2:23:01, 2:23:08]: Well I hope y'all can find out which comes first, the church or the town. Well, right, the church is up first. The church is up first. Thank you. [2:23:08, 2:23:09]: Now [2:23:10, 2:23:17]: Public hearing still going against. Anybody against uh the church going in this location and my far left side. Anybody against it? [2:23:17, 2:23:19]: Mm. Yes, sir. [2:23:20, 2:23:25]: Yeah, two phones over here that was in train before, uh they stirred up and uh on the [2:23:28, 2:23:48]: Okay, listen folks, pay pay attention. I I if if you if you f you gotta pay attention. I everybody's I'm not perfect and everybody no one's perfect, right? So if you're for the church, I came to each section. If you're for the church you still wanna speak, I'll allow it to happen. All right. But we gotta pay attention. All right. So does anybody else wanna come forward and get speak for the church? For the [2:23:48, 2:23:50]: A positive, a positive message. [2:23:50, 2:23:51]: Anybody? [2:23:53, 2:23:53]: All right. [2:23:53, 2:24:05]: If you're against the church going to this location, from my far left side, far left side, if you're against, I need for you to come forward and stand up and we'll acknowledge you and we'll give you some opportunity to speak. Anybody that's against the church in the middle section. [2:24:06, 2:24:11]: Against. If you're against, come on up. Line up on this side, please. Line up on this side. [2:24:11, 2:24:18]: And we'll we'll we'll we'll get you just stay right there. Don't don't don't don't move any further. Anybody else in the middle section that's against, please line up over on my left side here. [2:24:19, 2:24:21]: Against on a [2:24:21, 2:24:25]: Against the church. On my right side. My right side. Anybody against [2:24:25, 2:24:27]: Speaking with the church going its location. [2:24:28, 2:24:28]: Oh. [2:24:29, 2:24:38]: Anybody against? I want it all on one side here. Anybody against? Any else? Anybody else against? Okay. Now this is a this is speaking against the actual church going in this location. All right? [2:24:39, 2:24:42]: Sir, if you want to, if you please get on this, I want you all on one side, please. [2:24:43, 2:24:44]: All right. [2:24:44, 2:24:46]: Come on, ma'am. Use your name and address, please. [2:24:49, 2:24:55]: Good evening. My name is Jennifer Etheridge. I live at four twelve Cannonball Court and Valley Hill Station. [2:24:55, 2:25:06]: If you had asked me before our june fifth Zoom meeting, I would have been all for this church. However, after attending the Zoom meeting and being very unclear about [2:25:06, 2:25:10]: Of the purpose of the church, if there will be a church. [2:25:10, 2:25:28]: I have to say that I am not in favor of the church. I question why we've had property for eighteen years, but nothing was ever developed and they already had the opportunity to build that church within the county guidelines. Now we are asking for permission from the city. [2:25:29, 2:25:44]: with other things that might be involved with the church. So therefore, while I am a Christian and I think we do need churches in our community, I have to say that I do not agree with the church moving there now. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Um next person, name and address you get three minutes, please. [2:25:45, 2:25:46]: Yeah, come on, sir. Turn the mic. [2:25:52, 2:26:07]: Good evening. My name is Anthony Mitten. I live at 164 Valley Dale Drive, lot twelve A, which abuts the twelve acres that are under consideration. We've lived there thirty years. We value our privacy. [2:26:08, 2:26:11]: Our value of our property and our residence. [2:26:13, 2:26:13]: The church. [2:26:14, 2:26:17]: took possession of the property in February of two thousand five. [2:26:18, 2:26:21]: Put up aside and stated that they were gonna build the future home of the church. [2:26:22, 2:26:24]: For the last eighteen years [2:26:24, 2:26:25]: No church has been built. [2:26:28, 2:26:31]: Recently I received a letter in the mail [2:26:32, 2:26:37]: early May stating plans for the property, which included townhomes. [2:26:38, 2:26:43]: Over the years, that property has slowly declined, deteriorated. [2:26:43, 2:26:45]: From nice pasture land and a house. [2:26:46, 2:26:47]: To stands of hardwoods. [2:26:47, 2:26:50]: And pies have grown right up to the [2:26:50, 2:26:53]: The residences of eleven people or eleven residences that [2:26:54, 2:26:55]: Border the property. [2:26:57, 2:27:03]: When the church sent out the letter, they only sent a letter to eleven residences of the hundred and twenty five in the subdivision. [2:27:06, 2:27:07]: During that time [2:27:08, 2:27:09]: We came to the community meetings. [2:27:10, 2:27:15]: We heard Bishop Nathan speak. We asked for a town hall, which he graciously provided via Zoom. [2:27:17, 2:27:22]: And I think what's come to fruition here, at least for myself, is that this is not an embedderment of the community. [2:27:23, 2:27:24]: This is not about affordable housing. [2:27:27, 2:27:30]: Even though a five oh one c three has the right [2:27:31, 2:27:32]: To own [2:27:33, 2:27:35]: buy and sell property, there are stipulations. [2:27:36, 2:27:39]: Those stipulations state that if he sells, that must be sold to somebody. [2:27:40, 2:27:43]: To serve the community and the property as it's [2:27:43, 2:27:46]: zoned for its intended purpose. [2:27:47, 2:27:49]: What I see here is a forced sale. [2:27:49, 2:27:52]: Or excuse me, for profit sale of the property. [2:27:53, 2:27:53]: He must [2:27:54, 2:27:56]: To be able to siphon off those eight acres. [2:27:57, 2:27:59]: He must have the property rezoned. [2:28:00, 2:28:02]: In order to sell, he must have somebody buy the property. [2:28:03, 2:28:07]: They can utilize it and build in the manner for which it is rezoned. [2:28:08, 2:28:13]: I said I think the sad thing about this is that the four acres that are left will front Valley Hill Road. [2:28:14, 2:28:20]: Bishop Nation's property will no longer have any physical contact with community, which for the last four weeks. [2:28:21, 2:28:27]: He has tried to insert himself into as a part of the community. Where has the church been for the last eighteen years? [2:28:28, 2:28:31]: Why do you come to the community now and ask for our support? [2:28:33, 2:28:34]: When you never built a church. [2:28:34, 2:28:36]: You did not divulge to us. [2:28:36, 2:28:40]: What your intention was, and certainly not to the other hundred and fourteen residents. [2:28:41, 2:28:42]: At the community. [2:28:43, 2:28:44]: So I asked three things. [2:28:45, 2:28:47]: I ask him to retract. [2:28:47, 2:28:51]: His request for ordinance changes keep the twelve acres and build a church. [2:28:51, 2:28:54]: If not that, if you've not heard the Zoom meeting. [2:28:54, 2:28:56]: Delay your vote till you hear it. [2:28:57, 2:28:59]: And here the interaction between the pastor [2:29:00, 2:29:00]: His developer. [2:29:01, 2:29:02]: And the concerned citizens [2:29:03, 2:29:05]: And if nothing else, vote no. [2:29:06, 2:29:07]: So all four items. [2:29:07, 2:29:08]: In the agenda tonight. [2:29:09, 2:29:11]: And I'll just end on this. [2:29:12, 2:29:16]: I've been a Henry County resident for thirty years. I've been a member of the city of Stockbridge. [2:29:17, 2:29:20]: For five months and twelve days. I never thought I would be standing here. [2:29:21, 2:29:28]: Begging for this not to go through. Thank you. Thank you. Sir, come forward please send your name and address. [2:29:33, 2:29:53]: My name's Charlie Cook. I live at 249 Hilladale Drive. Like the last gentleman, I've uh lived in Stockbridge in my house in the uh subdivision that he mentioned also for over 30 years, original owner. I remember when they put the sign up for the church and thought that they just couldn't get it together with the funds, but you know, that's how it goes sometimes. [2:29:53, 2:30:13]: Sometimes. But now I'm more concerned for safety. I'm concerned about the transparency about the whole development, is what bothers me the most about the church. But the other thing is safety. That is the most dangerous part of Valley Hill Road. And if they're only going to have something on Sunday and they have a police [2:30:13, 2:30:30]: Policemen out there to direct traffic. I don't have a problem with that. But it doesn't sound like that that's gonna be the you know, you can't just isolate it and say, We're just talking about the church now and we'll talk about the other things later because it's a package and that's gonna double the traffic. [2:30:30, 2:30:50]: on on that road. Well, I don't know double or not, but it's gonna it's gonna make the traffic worse. I've personally witnessed two accidents right on that corner. One where a man was thrown from through the windshield and his stuff scattered everywhere. I've had people on multiple occasions, in fact now almost every time I'm on Valley Hill, people coming up on my [2:30:50, 2:31:02]: Me 10 to 20 or more miles an hour over the speed limit, passing on the double yellow line and passing on the curves. So I just think from that standpoint alone, with all the cut-through traffic from 42 [2:31:03, 2:31:15]: to East Atlanta, it's not a good location for that. And I can't say anything about the other things because that's not that part, but for that reason alone I would say I don't want the church there. Thank you, sir. Sir that won't [2:31:18, 2:31:20]: Charles Cook, two four nine Hillendale Drive. [2:31:22, 2:31:32]: Bishop, you're gonna come back here. I was gonna ask you I was gonna ask you come I was gonna ask you to come back here because it seems as though there's some concern. Mr. Cook. Mr. Cook, your address please. [2:31:33, 2:31:35]: two four nine Hill and [2:31:37, 2:31:53]: I wanna wanted you to since it seems to be a move afoot, a thought process, the reasoning why all this time's taken so I can only assume. So I want you to offer offer you an opportunity to express what had happened, provided you want to do that and what has happened over the last eighteen years, if it makes sense to help justify this. [2:31:53, 2:32:05]: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh let me state first of all that the concerns of the residents are not at all should be taken lightly. Those questions raised should be viewed as important questions. [2:32:05, 2:32:10]: I want to address three things that has surfaced uh by the residents that have spoken so far. [2:32:11, 2:32:12]: First I want to talk about timeline. [2:32:13, 2:32:16]: А I would say this that when we purchased that property. [2:32:17, 2:32:20]: I had a very broad vision for that property. [2:32:21, 2:32:24]: I can go back and pull up minutes from our church. [2:32:24, 2:32:29]: We talked about a two phase plan for the use of that property. [2:32:29, 2:32:34]: We thought initially that we'll focus on building a church, a very small facility. [2:32:34, 2:32:38]: Along with that, we looked at a a second part of that plan as [2:32:39, 2:32:41]: Building a larger facility. [2:32:41, 2:32:45]: Because we thought at that particular time we only needed a small facility to worship. [2:32:46, 2:32:49]: That was on the smaller portion of the property. [2:32:50, 2:32:53]: Батєм, ви гад сам чаленджес. [2:32:53, 2:32:57]: It was financial challenges. The church is not a for profit entity. [2:32:58, 2:32:59]: And so it has to rely on the [2:33:00, 2:33:01]: А фрі гіфс. [2:33:01, 2:33:03]: contribution of its members. [2:33:03, 2:33:07]: And at that particular time we found that we were not able to secure the funding. [2:33:08, 2:33:09]: To build that [2:33:09, 2:33:11]: uh first plant that we had. [2:33:12, 2:33:14]: We then sought a second plan. [2:33:15, 2:33:19]: I don't remember quite the timelines we attempted the first time, but back then in [2:33:19, 2:33:20]: uh two thousand [2:33:21, 2:33:21]: Five. [2:33:22, 2:33:23]: That's when we [2:33:24, 2:33:26]: Пут проб ефець форту. [2:33:26, 2:33:29]: а геар план з плес [2:33:29, 2:33:30]: I have here my hand. [2:33:30, 2:33:33]: А фул компліт сет оп'я. [2:33:34, 2:33:37]: Architectural plans which includes plumbing, electrical [2:33:37, 2:33:38]: Engineering. [2:33:39, 2:33:40]: HBHC [2:33:40, 2:33:43]: That was part of our application. [2:33:43, 2:33:44]: At Henry County. [2:33:45, 2:33:48]: We spent quite a bit of funds to secure these plans. [2:33:48, 2:33:49]: Unfortunately [2:33:51, 2:33:52]: Things did not happen. [2:33:53, 2:33:56]: Planned fell through, we're not able to go forward. [2:33:56, 2:34:00]: We're tempted again to try to do another project. [2:34:01, 2:34:05]: In that third attempt, we had broadened our focus to consider. [2:34:05, 2:34:11]: That if we cannot do the church by itself, what can we do jointly? [2:34:11, 2:34:15]: To move the процес forward, the church has always been the priority. [2:34:15, 2:34:16]: Uh [2:34:16, 2:34:18]: Of course pandemic happened. [2:34:18, 2:34:20]: We had no control of that. We had to regroup. [2:34:21, 2:34:24]: А ви тріту путфор. [2:34:25, 2:34:28]: And at that particular time we thought we were gonna purchase a building. [2:34:28, 2:34:29]: Which we did not. [2:34:29, 2:34:32]: And so we are here now. We've found a partnership. [2:34:33, 2:34:40]: I will talk to mister Fatimi Monly momentarily, but through this partnership joint partnership. [2:34:40, 2:34:41]: Are we able to [2:34:41, 2:34:43]: decide to move forward. [2:34:44, 2:34:45]: I just want to talk a little bit about the [2:34:46, 2:34:47]: notification. [2:34:47, 2:34:48]: Uh [2:34:48, 2:34:58]: We did our best to follow the guidelines of the city planners, and by their regulation, they only required us to notify the residents that are immediately adjacent to our property. [2:34:59, 2:35:04]: It was unintentionally done that we did not notify the other residents. [2:35:04, 2:35:10]: Uh I'm taking the lead and I'm trying to follow as best as I can the rules that were in place. [2:35:10, 2:35:17]: It's my regret we did not do that. Hindsight is better than foresight. If I haven't another opportunity, I certainly would do that. [2:35:18, 2:35:22]: But here we are. We discovered that we needed to inform the other residents, and that we did. [2:35:23, 2:35:25]: And so it's not a matter of [2:35:25, 2:35:26]: Impromptu [2:35:27, 2:35:30]: Was not a underhanded move. [2:35:30, 2:35:32]: We're not trying to be [2:35:32, 2:35:35]: uh avert in our plans [2:35:35, 2:35:37]: We're not trying to be deceitful. [2:35:38, 2:35:42]: We're trying to move the ministry forward, and we have discovered over the years. [2:35:43, 2:35:45]: We simply cannot funktion. [2:35:45, 2:35:48]: На норме энд омистри программ. [2:35:49, 2:35:50]: In the place where we are. [2:35:51, 2:36:01]: And as cited by yourself, I believe, or one of your members, parking is quite an issue. We almost got evicted once because of the very point that has been made. [2:36:02, 2:36:03]: So if we don't have a place to go. [2:36:04, 2:36:08]: А доноват і не футбол стопберз деток. [2:36:08, 2:36:13]: uh the new ordinances ordinances. So that's where we are at this point. We are certainly in [2:36:14, 2:36:17]: And a place where we want to work with our residents. [2:36:17, 2:36:19]: I am sensitive to their concerns. [2:36:20, 2:36:23]: А ви на монету біником ти креть хардші? [2:36:23, 2:36:31]: Uh, we want to have a listening ear. I do understand they're they've placed value in their property, but I can I can assure you that what we're going to build. [2:36:32, 2:36:47]: is going to be an asset, it's going to be a value, it's going to represent the community well. I just want to leave those points uh at this time and I if I need to, I'll come back. Yes sir. Any additional questions for the for the bishop here? Yeah. Miss Ms uh Barber, go ahead please. [2:36:51, 2:36:56]: As the city council district representative for this particular area [2:36:57, 2:36:59]: I've spoken with Pastor Nation. [2:36:59, 2:37:02]: On several occasions, as recent as this past Friday. [2:37:04, 2:37:08]: I've also listened to the concerns of the residents in the area. [2:37:08, 2:37:11]: And I share in some of their concerns as part as far as the [2:37:12, 2:37:14]: residential component. [2:37:14, 2:37:34]: But we're dealing with the church at this point. One question I have is: there is safety concerns around that curve just beyond your proposed development of the church. Do you plan to have or hire a law enforcement officer to die? [2:37:34, 2:37:37]: direct traffic during those hours of worship. [2:37:38, 2:37:40]: Absolutely. We [2:37:40, 2:37:44]: Hearing the concerns of the residents initially, we knew that [2:37:45, 2:37:49]: Especially on our worship days, we will have to have someone out there directing traffic. [2:37:50, 2:37:52]: But having heard the concerns of the residents. [2:37:53, 2:37:56]: А ви контак вобі одну. [2:37:56, 2:37:58]: А план то пути. [2:37:58, 2:37:59]: In the future. [2:38:00, 2:38:01]: And so we would not uh [2:38:02, 2:38:04]: uh look at that as something [2:38:04, 2:38:12]: Um minor but something of of great importance. Okay, that would be a condition um that I'd like for the council. [2:38:13, 2:38:19]: to include if they so desire to make a motion to approve this. I understand that Heron County [2:38:20, 2:38:24]: Had already approved a conditional use permit and staff has [2:38:24, 2:38:25]: Pretty much. Um [2:38:27, 2:38:36]: agreed with the same. That is what is before us. I just asked my councilmates to please consider the safety concerns along that stretch of road. [2:38:37, 2:38:57]: Thank you. Mr. Mr. Alzana, go ahead, please. Yes, sir. There were some legitimate questions that were raised, um, certainly listening. What is the timetable for building the church? Since we're talking about the church portion, that specific question was asked. So if you were given the approval to build the church, what is your timetable for building the church? [2:38:57, 2:39:03]: building the church. Uh let me just uh point to two individuals that is part of my [2:39:03, 2:39:04]: Planning the decision. [2:39:05, 2:39:17]: Uh I have to my left Mr. Fatimi, he is the developer. Uh Mr OG is the architect. Uh these two gentlemen are jointly connected to this project. Incidentally, Mr. OG [2:39:18, 2:39:38]: has been working with us since the very beginning. In fact he's part of this plan. So why don't you come to the podium please? Mr. OG? Associate Mr. Uh Fatimi. Now Mr. Fatimi would be the the developer for the town homes. But [2:39:38, 2:39:58]: Hold on, folks. I told you before, if you you'll get your opportunity to speak, do do not shout out from the audience unless it's your time to speak. If you continue that, I have the option to remove you. I'd rather not do that. But I have done it before and I will. So do not out speak out from the audience when we're having a [2:39:58, 2:40:00]: Thank you very much. [2:40:00, 2:40:04]: Go ahead, sir. You know, I perhaps I need to uh insert this point. [2:40:05, 2:40:06]: Uh you know [2:40:06, 2:40:14]: One of the things that we've always tried to do with our development plans is to let the project of the church stand on its own. [2:40:14, 2:40:26]: That's always been our plans. Prior to meeting Mr. Fatimi, I had another developer that I spoke with. We thought then we were going to do a joint project with the church and [2:40:26, 2:40:29]: Homes. We were looking at condos at that particular time. [2:40:30, 2:40:31]: That plan fell through. [2:40:32, 2:40:34]: When I met Mr. Fatimi [2:40:34, 2:40:37]: He has an interest in building town homes. [2:40:38, 2:40:42]: We did not have an interest in building town homes specifically. [2:40:42, 2:41:01]: But he has an interest. One of order. Mayor Ford, but can we stick with the item as it is on the agenda? This is in reference to the church. The church. Thank you. I I I the re I I I do thank you for that in uh interjection, uh sis uh council member. The reason why I bring this point up because the timeline is the question. [2:41:01, 2:41:02]: Timeline is the question. [2:41:03, 2:41:04]: And so I'm trying to [2:41:04, 2:41:20]: uh introduce my response to that question by just making mention of that. But if I need to uh set that aside for another point, I'll uh time I can do that. Let me go to the question specifically. Timeline, Mr. Fatimi, would you like to speak to that please? [2:41:20, 2:41:37]: Uh because the reason why I'm asking him, because he's the developer for the entire project, but both projects initially are jointly at some point, but individually at another. Yes. If we can. [2:41:39, 2:41:59]: Thank you, Mayor. Um first we're gonna do the land disturbs permit. Land disturbed permit is for entire package. And then we're gonna design and build the um the road system. We're gonna design and build the uh sewer system, water system to come to the church as well as goes to the townhouse. So [2:41:59, 2:42:07]: So when uh Bishop talks about um is it how does the timeline go, both projects go at the same time. [2:42:07, 2:42:15]: Okay. Um So m to follow up on that, so uh I needed how long when are you planning to get started? [2:42:15, 2:42:17]: As soon as we get a lamb, this is permit. [2:42:17, 2:42:21]: So it's basically land disturbance permits, staff takes about how long? Staff [2:42:22, 2:42:26]: For us we tell it three months for us to design it and then we submit for permit. [2:42:27, 2:42:37]: Okay. So you plan on getting started in three months if if approved for the church? Yes, sir. Okay, and that's land disturbance and then going immediately into construction. [2:42:38, 2:42:47]: Yes, sir. Not just clearing the land, you're doing construction immediately after the clearing. That's our plan. Yes, that's the plan. Okay, thank you. [2:42:48, 2:42:56]: Right. Any other questions from yes, go ahead please. Do you have an actual rendering of what the church will look like? [2:42:58, 2:42:59]: Yes, we have. [2:43:00, 2:43:03]: the elevations that I think [2:43:03, 2:43:05]: All of you have oh [2:43:06, 2:43:11]: So uh I let me introduce myself. I know I staff provided me with [2:43:11, 2:43:17]: with what was submitted, um, but I'm not act I'm not able to see. [2:43:17, 2:43:28]: What it actually looks like. What I have looks like a excuse me, sir page from a coloring book and I'm not able to see what the actual design looks like. [2:43:31, 2:43:37]: Mr. Gardner. And could you do me a favor? I don't see our police officers in here. I need them in here, please. [2:43:45, 2:43:49]: At the town home, where's the church? [2:43:49, 2:43:51]: The church on the cycle. [2:43:52, 2:43:57]: Uh well the side uh and the elevations. [2:43:59, 2:44:04]: No, that's the elevation. She sent you a picture of the uh. [2:44:06, 2:44:16]: Yeah. Just the town home. The church. The church. Oh, that's the same thing. Yeah, I showed the church earlier. [2:44:17, 2:44:18]: I showed the church earlier. [2:44:20, 2:44:40]: May may I may I speak to the church elevations right there? Do you have uh what do you have that destined too? This is the four elevations, uh basically three elevations of the church. The first one on your left, that is the front, facing [2:44:40, 2:44:42]: The major road. [2:44:42, 2:44:44]: Yeah, yeah okay. [2:44:44, 2:44:44]: Yeah. [2:44:48, 2:44:50]: Okay. This various one is. [2:44:51, 2:45:00]: Just for the audience. Oh for the audience over there? I don't know if you can see that. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Speaker. Oh does that does that does that actually work? [2:45:00, 2:45:04]: Can they see it? Can you guys see what is wanted? [2:45:05, 2:45:15]: He's looking at over there. Oh yeah, okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. That first one is the front elevation of the church. And [2:45:16, 2:45:20]: The the lower one [2:45:21, 2:45:26]: Is the side elevation which you pointed over here? Yeah. [2:45:27, 2:45:43]: with a canopy for drop off in case of rain or anything of that nature. Now that front, you see the geometrical form in that front, that front is gonna be finished by with brick. [2:45:44, 2:46:01]: Okay, and beyond walls by ephes and around the whole length of the uh the church you have two feet eight inches uh height. [2:46:01, 2:46:03]: Of brick. [2:46:04, 2:46:24]: Ro going around the the building, okay, at window seal level. Now this part here can you see it? Can you see that? Yeah, hold on a second. If I just may interject, I realize the question is uh do we have a picture of the church? Uh I don't know if you really [2:46:23, 2:46:35]: really wanted to go into full elaborate explanation. Yeah. But but I would simply say this and timelines and the resources of the church, we were not at the point [2:46:35, 2:46:49]: To develop a full blown um rendering of the church. So this is what we were able to pull together with Mr. OG, uh, because the church upon this time, at to this point, is funding [2:46:49, 2:46:51]: All of what's being done. [2:46:51, 2:46:53]: Because we won't get the [2:46:53, 2:46:58]: uh funds in hand to build until this approval is Carter, could you come forward please? [2:47:05, 2:47:21]: So it's my simple assumption that as as if if this is approved and they go if this is approved tonight, they go forward with this, everything they have to do with building this church has to come to your department anyway for your eyes to look on and make sure it matches everything outlined by our in our codes and in in our UDC, things of this nature. [2:47:21, 2:47:41]: That's correct. So typically at the zoning stage, whenever anything is brought to you all, it's a conceptual plan. They still have to submit plans if this is approved in accordance with the code. And the code allows for them to have brick, stone, high grade stucco uh with you know for this building itself per the code. So we would do the [2:47:40, 2:47:50]: The review based upon that. All right. As far as buffers, setbacks, and all of that, that's required of the code. All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. Stand by though, just in case. [2:47:50, 2:48:05]: All right. Any other questions? Okay what what standby? Go ahead, Miss Scant. Okay, thank you. Um Ms. Carter, a couple of questions. I keep hearing joint site plan. So if we fail uh uh is this site plan [2:48:06, 2:48:26]: Do we have to v when we vote, let's say I approve the church. I'm not worried about the per let me let me say this. The church was approved by the county ye eighteen years ago. A church I I don't care if it was 30 years ago. I totally get it. The church, the purpose of that land was to [2:48:26, 2:48:35]: To build a church. We could say, for instance, folks, we've been waiting on a Jodeco as long as I've been living here, and that's been over 20 years. [2:48:35, 2:48:55]: But we finally it finally happened. You can't make someone who probably owns a piece of property build on that property until they're financially ready and capable of doing so. So I'm not worried about how long that that didn't raise a red flag to me. But what does raise a red flag to me or what what does concern me is we have a joint site plan. [2:48:55, 2:48:56]: Yeah. [2:48:58, 2:49:18]: So I want to make sure that if I approve this conditional use for the church, that doesn't necessarily mean I have to approve the use for townhomes. And I'm not saying I wouldn't approve the townhomes. I haven't heard all of [2:49:18, 2:49:38]: of the information on the townhomes as of yet. I'm okay right now with the church, but it was filed jointly. And Bishop, you actually stated that you're relying on this the renderings that we have right here. These are very simple and and just abstract, right? [2:49:37, 2:49:51]: And what we've been told is you're relying on funds from the congregation or the community in order to build as of now, unless this project goes through. So that lets me know that maybe [2:49:51, 2:50:11]: Just maybe funds would be received to help build this church if the townhomes were approved because they were filed jointly. Now that doesn't mean that's the case. I'm a real estate lawyer, but that doesn't mean that's the truth. I'm just trying to combine, trying to figure out what's going on here and why was it filed jointly? Why is this a joint site plan? [2:50:11, 2:50:20]: Why can't that site play in a church and townhomes unless there's something I'm missing here? Why are they combined together? [2:50:20, 2:50:27]: Why couldn't they be separate? And Miss Carter, my my question is, if I vote on this, does that automatically [2:50:28, 2:50:32]: Allow for the town homes to come in in any legal way. [2:50:32, 2:50:40]: It does not. This request is simply for the church itself. The items came in, if I may, and Mr. Nation can can add to it. [2:50:41, 2:51:01]: The reason why this came in as um the lot that it did, they had to separate the lot in order to break away the portion to be utilized for the church and the portion to be utilized for the uh the the townhome development. So that's just part of circumstance. However, this particular request before you at the [2:51:01, 2:51:11]: this moment is for the church only. There are two additional requests that will come after these in regards to the townhome and the variants that pertaining to the townhomes. [2:51:11, 2:51:31]: Okay. All right. And Mayor, having heard that, um, I don't want to beat around the bush and go back and forth. If this is only specifically pertaining to the church, then I'd like to make a motion to approve uh you know what, Councilman Woman Barber, this is your district. Stand by a second. I'm sorry. Stand by a second. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. Uh yeah, I just want to say that [2:51:31, 2:51:41]: That um this church, and we're talking specifically about the church, if this had not come into the city of Stockbridge. [2:51:42, 2:51:45]: This church will be allowed to be a church. [2:51:47, 2:51:51]: Only thing the church is coming to the city for right now [2:51:51, 2:51:55]: is to allow to be a church in the city of Stockbridge. [2:51:56, 2:51:58]: To get the church [2:51:58, 2:52:02]: now from the city of Startbridge, just without anything else. [2:52:03, 2:52:04]: So [2:52:04, 2:52:07]: If the intent was to be a church. [2:52:07, 2:52:11]: And the intent was to the community that was gonna be a church. [2:52:11, 2:52:15]: The church just wants to be allowed to be a church. [2:52:18, 2:52:38]: Sir. Yeah. Yes, go ahead please. Uh the the one thing that I want to say to this whole argument is this is why it's so hard for us to get the development that we that we seek so hard in the city. This was a very simple question. It started out at the very beginning. They already had approval for a church. Went [2:52:37, 2:52:42]: through the full process and it's taken us an hour to get to this point. [2:52:42, 2:52:45]: It should not have taken us an hour to get to this point. [2:52:45, 2:52:53]: Because in the US Constitution, the very first amendment guarantees to the freedom of expression and religion. [2:52:54, 2:52:55]: This is very [2:52:56, 2:52:59]: Іс іс іс концерна да ви гонто одес. [2:53:00, 2:53:02]: concerning a religious facility. [2:53:03, 2:53:22]: And we certainly don't want to send out that message that we are oppressing someone's religious rights because this is what this is. This is a religious institution and it's federally protected under the Constitution. We know that. So the what we've already established at the beginning, let's move on. [2:53:24, 2:53:41]: All right. On that note, that there are no other comments from the council oh I'm sorry, Mr. Thomas Gwake, please. Well j just briefly and and I I do understand Councilman Alexander's uh comments, but what you fail to realize is you have to always allow the people [2:53:41, 2:53:49]: Their voices have to be heard. Certainly. And you have to allow that. It doesn't matter if you take one hour, if it takes twenty hours. [2:53:50, 2:53:52]: We have to always hear. [2:53:53, 2:54:06]: And I appreciate all y'all coming. The decision we make, that's something totally separate. But I'm always in favor of allowing people to come and to voice because we represent the people. [2:54:06, 2:54:09]: So I don't wanna [2:54:09, 2:54:18]: slight the fact that it's taken us this time. Certainly because I have to respond. H hold on, hold on. Come on now, you know that's not me. [2:54:20, 2:54:22]: All I'm saying is Mr Thomas, go ahead. [2:54:22, 2:54:26]: I'm not I'm not saying anything against Councilman Alexander. [2:54:26, 2:54:35]: I'm reinforcing the fact that citizens, certainly, you have the right and opportunity. [2:54:35, 2:54:37]: to come and voice your opinion. [2:54:38, 2:54:40]: We as elected official [2:54:40, 2:54:42]: We have the burden of [2:54:43, 2:54:44]: And the responsibility [2:54:44, 2:54:46]: To make decisions. [2:54:47, 2:54:49]: So all I'm saying is [2:54:49, 2:54:49]: Mm-hmm. [2:54:49, 2:54:51]: You all are gonna voice your opinions? [2:54:52, 2:54:54]: And we're going to make a decision. [2:54:54, 2:54:57]: No ifs, no ands, no buts. [2:54:57, 2:55:03]: But I just want to say, Mr. Alexander, when you see that that comment that you you could have kept that one. [2:55:03, 2:55:17]: Let the people speak. Certainly I I want to respond to that. Mr. Tommy. I'm not saying this for you even to respond. But I have But I'm just saying sometimes, sometimes [2:55:18, 2:55:31]: Some things just should not be said. And that's one of those things that should not have been said. But all I'm saying is to the people, I don't want the people to think that they cannot come to the city hall in the city of Stockbridge and cannot speak. [2:55:33, 2:55:43]: I I certainly don't need you to tell me that. I'm sorry, I don't. Yeah. So what I'm what I'm s or you So I I just I just want these citizens to be feel comfortable that when they come here [2:55:44, 2:55:46]: And and the mayor is correct in [2:55:47, 2:55:49]: Asking you all to be quiet. [2:55:49, 2:56:01]: to let us go through the process. But all I'm saying is whether you are against, whether you're in favor, you will have your opportunity to speak. And that's all I'm talking about. [2:56:01, 2:56:21]: It doesn't matter. We have been here at times to after midnight. But we allowed, you have to allow people to speak. It doesn't matter how much time. When we took on this job, when we took an oath for this job, we realized then that there's no time limits to when we have to legislate. [2:56:21, 2:56:28]: So all I'm saying, Councilman is and I'm I'm not throwing anything toward your way, but I'm just saying sometimes we [2:56:29, 2:56:38]: have to be understandable and sensitive to the fact and sometimes that's re you know, if y'all notice I don't say a lot here. Because [2:56:39, 2:56:44]: Y'all are coming here to voice your opinion and we want to hear you all. [2:56:45, 2:57:05]: You want so all I'm saying is I'm I'm I'm here to hear from you all. I receive phone calls, I receive email, but I'm just saying you have a right to come here and voice, and we will make a decision. Thank you, Mayor. You're welcome. All right. I just wanted to respond briefly. I certainly had no [2:57:04, 2:57:24]: No problem with the citizens coming forward to speak. You can give it- they're not the problem. We're the problem. I'm sorry. We are the problem. We have convoluted this process to where it is, where it's been extended this time. Their time period, they'll only had, we only had about six or seven speakers. That's not the way we're not. [2:57:24, 2:57:44]: What the time is the issue is the amount of rigor that we put them to for a technicality. That's what my problem is. I certainly would never have a problem with staying here all night to hear the citizens speak, but I have a problem with us speaking. That's my clarity. I just want to clarify that. All right, now we've had enough of that, right? So we need a motion to [2:57:44, 2:57:48]: Is a public hearing closed. [2:57:48, 2:58:08]: The no, this is the public hearing portion of this has already ended. We've already been down that road. Excuse me. I need a motion to uh either accept or pr disprove this particular [2:58:08, 2:58:23]: accept or disapprove this the church being built at this location. Okay so as the district council representative for this area um who represents the people who are here, I'd like to make the motion if you don't mind. Just go right in. [2:58:28, 2:58:32]: I motion to approve staff's recommendation. [2:58:33, 2:58:35]: To construct the [2:58:35, 2:58:36]: Worship center. [2:58:36, 2:58:40]: Um the property is located in land lot one oh three of district [2:58:41, 2:58:42]: City Council District Four. [2:58:44, 2:58:46]: And I wanna add a condition. [2:58:46, 2:58:46]: Um [2:58:47, 2:58:48]: That they [2:58:51, 2:58:56]: Also hire um someone from law enforcement during worship hours. [2:58:56, 2:59:16]: All right, is there a second motion? Second. Yes, that's not second that. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. May I ask um when you say hire a law enforcement officer if you wanted to add to conduct traffic because you just right here it just says law enforcement officer. Yes, to hire a law enforcement professional during worship [2:59:16, 2:59:19]: Worship hours for traffic enforcement. [2:59:20, 2:59:27]: Thank you. All right. That motion's been amended. Uh Mr. Alexander, you second that motion still at this point? All right. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:59:28, 2:59:31]: May I just a quick question. Are we able? [2:59:32, 2:59:36]: To be able to put that stipulation on someone to hire someone. [2:59:36, 2:59:50]: Legally. Well I w I would tell I I I would probably get a legal opinion about it, but I I realize this that churches I have tended in my church, they always have someone out there for traffic control anyway. No, that's that's fine if if people have people can hire people to do anything. [2:59:50, 3:00:05]: But can we put a stipulation on the church or any entity to hire someone to do a certain step up to control transportation? I would have I'll have to get a legal opinion on that, whether or not that makes sense. I I would think it's fine. But uh Mr. Rodson, you have any thoughts? [3:00:06, 3:00:08]: I don't need to research that challenge. [3:00:08, 3:00:15]: Are they agreeable to Mayor Ford? I like to um amend my motion. Okay, you can amend the motion. Go ahead. [3:00:16, 3:00:18]: [10818.4, 10819.4]: Same motion. [3:00:19, 3:00:20]: But the condition [3:00:21, 3:00:23]: I like to make sure that this [3:00:23, 3:00:24]: Church. [3:00:25, 3:00:26]: Has someone [3:00:27, 3:00:29]: Who will perform traffic? [3:00:29, 3:00:30]: Enforcement. [3:00:30, 3:00:32]: During worship hours. [3:00:33, 3:00:33]: Mm. [3:00:33, 3:00:41]: So remove the higher part. Just they need someone or some people enforcing traffic. [3:00:42, 3:01:02]: There there there, Mayor. There again, are we allowed to put a transportation element in the conditions for any approval of any project? I I think we could do that simply because it this deals with the church itself. I don't see why they wouldn't want to do that. [3:01:02, 3:01:22]: Well, right now the attorney says you have to research that. She's made a motion. I believe the motion has been secondary. Yeah, the w the the way that they do this in zoning procedures is if it's agreeable to the applicant, anything in Georgia is agreeable between two parties is legal. So he doesn't [3:01:21, 3:01:34]: need to look it up. If it's agreeable with the church, then we can use it. Is it ag asked the applicant, is it agreeable? He said that earlier though, actually. Go ahead, sir. Go ahead. I asked him, was that his intention? If it is, it's good. [3:01:34, 3:01:51]: Yep, th in response to that, uh in speech sympathetic to the residents, we wanted to take that into consideration. In fact, in our discussion, we said we'll definitely would have to make certain that we have staff representative to control traffic at at worship hours. Fine. So so that's [3:01:52, 3:01:55]: Yes, yes. [3:01:55, 3:02:15]: Go right here, please. What's your con current congregation size? We're less than a hundred members right now. But keep in mind we're in a place where we're restricted by fire zone. We cannot grow our ministry beyond that. If we were to do so, we would be shut down. So we're strictly limited to the number of occupants we can have in that facility. [3:02:15, 3:02:15]: Okay. [3:02:16, 3:02:17]: All right, so a motion's been made. [3:02:18, 3:02:20]: Certainly. And been seconded by Mr. Alexander. [3:02:20, 3:02:24]: And I'm assuming that the clerk you have all that written down properly. [3:02:25, 3:02:28]: All right. On that note, all in favor motion, please indicate. [3:02:29, 3:02:36]: Nam's decision. Thank you very much. You have your church, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you, sir. All right. We'll move on to the next thing. [3:02:37, 3:02:57]: Comprehensive Plan Amendment KCP 2023-01 Council District 4. Consideration of request for a comprehensive plan amendment to assign the future land use designation of high density residential to parcel number 29-0100901 on Valley Hill Road to allow for the construction of a [3:02:57, 3:03:17]: Town home development. The applicant of Victory Worship Center represented by Keith G Nation. The property is located land lot 103 of District 12 and is contained 7.864 acres within the city starboard city limits. The planning commission recommended approval with the staff conditions, plus, they added one condition that the applicant holds a [3:03:17, 3:03:37]: Community meeting prior to June 12th council meeting. The applicant held that meeting Monday, June 5th. Um, Ryan, please. All right. Um, the applicant's request assigned the future land use designation of high density residential to the subject property. The applicant also simultaneously submitted two other applications to the city of Stockbridge for the subject. [3:03:37, 3:03:46]: property, a rezoning application which we're will be will which we will be discussing next, and a variance application, which will be the final case we hear tonight. [3:03:54, 3:04:14]: Okay. The subject property and the adjacent property at 713 Valley Hill Road are both owned by Victory Worship Center. The applicant's proposed townhome development would be inconsistent with the property's current land use designation of low density residential for three reasons. The type of use, townhomes as well as other multifamily. [3:04:14, 3:04:34]: Family uses are not permissible. It's not a permissible use under the low density residential designation. The MFR, reason number two, the zoning district. The MFR district is not a permissible zoning district within the low density residential designation. The proposed density, the proposed density of 7.1% [3:04:34, 3:04:43]: One two units per acre would exceed the low density residential designation, allowable density of one point two five to two units per acre. [3:04:45, 3:04:50]: Here's a rendering of a well aerial photo of the parcel boundary before the new plat. [3:04:53, 3:05:10]: This is the uninqu this is the uh property with that, this is the site that doesn't have an address assigned to it. And uh this is 713 Valley Hill. This is uh an area photo of this site before uh the new plat. And uh up next is the new plat. [3:05:10, 3:05:18]: And if you if you play close attention to New Platte, you can see that they will share the church and the town ho and the town and the proposed town home development will will share a driveway. [3:05:20, 3:05:21]: So here's the surrounding zoning. [3:05:23, 3:05:25]: The surrounding land use designation. [3:05:27, 3:05:29]: Case facts, um [3:05:30, 3:05:37]: The surrounding zone and to the north and east is RR Rural Residential, to the south and west PUD Plan Unit Development. [3:05:37, 3:05:50]: Uh property location, the property is located on the south side of Valerie Hill Road, immediately east of Valley Dale Drive. Uh the property condition fairly level and partially wooded. The front part of the property along Valley Hill Road is the lowest. [3:05:51, 3:06:02]: Uh the surrounding land uses the you got the Clayton County Water Authority facilities and Georgia Power Company facilities to the north. To the east you got single family residence at 713 Valley Hill Road. [3:06:03, 3:06:11]: To the south and west, you got the Valley Hill Station Subdivision with approximately 126 lots for single-family detached homes. [3:06:12, 3:06:25]: Um the applicant presented a joint site plan showing both development proposal of 56 townhomes, all three in four bedroom at a density, once again a density rate of 7.1. [3:06:25, 3:06:26]: Тунис про акер. [3:06:26, 3:06:37]: Uh the sanctuary will have 12,000, the church sanctuary will have 12,586 feet square feet, and the largest assembly area will have 3,350 square feet. [3:06:39, 3:06:51]: Uh the proposed victory worship master plan dated May twentieth. This was the second revised site which was presented by the applicant to the Planning Commission on May twenty fifth. [3:06:56, 3:07:16]: parking. The minimum required parking for the church is 112 units. I mean 112 spaces. The applicant will provide nine additional spaces for a total of 121 units. For the proposed town home development, uh the applicant will have a is required to have 126 parking spaces, and that's what they will provide, 126 parking spaces. [3:07:16, 3:07:18]: Here's the proposed site plan. [3:07:20, 3:07:22]: And you can see that they have a shared driveway. [3:07:25, 3:07:30]: Matter of fact, the church would have to get an easement from the um the town home property. [3:07:32, 3:07:33]: Site plan enlarged. [3:07:36, 3:07:56]: Uh analysis of requests. The first criteria we have to consider is is this proposal consistent with the comprehensive plan? The request to high density residential land use designation will be consistent with the comprehensive plan for the following reasons. The type of use, the proposed townhome development would be a permissible. [3:07:56, 3:07:57]: Yeah. [3:07:57, 3:08:17]: The comp plan on page 45 identifies multifamily zone as compatible with the high density residential future land use designation. And the proposed density would be 7.12 units per acre, which is within the allowable range of the 6 to 16 units per acre for high density residential. [3:08:17, 3:08:37]: of the surrounding uh developments. Uh the adjacent Valley Hill station has about 126 lots on 67 acres for a density rate of only 1.89 unit point 1.89 units per acre. But at nearby 576 Davis Road to the south, the city council just approved a rezoning to MFR to allow [3:08:37, 3:08:45]: Another town home development with 165 units owned, 27 acres for a density rate of 5.97 units per acre. [3:08:46, 3:09:06]: Uh, the second criteria promote established housing policies. The proposed development will further the comp plan's housing policies by encouraging high-density residential developments to provide for the growing need for a range of housing choices within the city of Stockbridge. Provide a mixture of housing options to attract young professionals, singles, and small families. [3:09:06, 3:09:26]: Families, preserve and enhance older existing neighborhoods by promoting rehabilitation of existing housing stock and infield of new development to revitalize established neighborhoods. Criteria number three, criteria C rather, suitability of the subject property location. Although there are no other properties in the vicinity which have the requested [3:09:26, 3:09:46]: High density residential land use designation. The subject property is nonetheless, nevertheless, suitable for the designation due to the following: the reasonable size, whereby the high density residential designation would not represent a small spot designation relative to the surrounding area. Its location along a major corridor. [3:09:46, 3:10:06]: Collector Road, making it suitable for high density development. Its proximity to another high density residential property at 576 Davis Road, which was recently approved, and criteria D: maintain the current land use designation. Although the subject property could be used for low density residential uses, few, if any, [3:10:06, 3:10:15]: Many such uses have occurred in the Valley Hill Road Corridor for years. Further, it is unknown as to whether there exists any demand for such uses at this time. [3:10:17, 3:10:35]: Staff conclusion. As a result of the foregoing analysis, the planning and zoning staff concludes that the applicant's request to assign a high density residential future land use designation to parcel zero two nine-01009-001 on Valley Hill Road via CP. [3:10:36, 3:10:56]: twenty twenty twenty two thousand twenty-three-o one to allow for the proposed townhome development would be acceptable. Staff recommendation. In view of the aforementioned positive conclusion, the planning zoning staff recommends approval with a condition for CP twenty twenty-three-o one. [3:10:56, 3:11:15]: with one condition that the applicants requested rezoning of the subject property to assign the MFR zoning district to the subject property v RZ 2023 is approved before or simultaneously with approval of CP202301. [3:11:16, 3:11:17]: The applicant is here. [3:11:18, 3:11:20]: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Ryan. [3:11:21, 3:11:26]: Uh I would imagine you probably need to come back to come back to the podium though, sir. You got some questions here. [3:11:27, 3:11:28]: Okay, council. [3:11:29, 3:11:49]: Oh go right here, sir. Mr. Eza. You said you alluded to that there had not been any additional uh development along when was the last time a project was actually proposed for Valley Hill Road? Uh any that I think we got Pine Grove over there, well that was like 15 years ago. Well I've been here like sixteen months and a half. [3:11:49, 3:11:53]: We haven't seen one proposal. This is the first one. Okay. [3:11:53, 3:11:56]: All right, thank you. Uh Ms. Ga uh William Ms. Gantt. [3:11:57, 3:11:58]: Yeah. [3:11:58, 3:12:02]: What would be the size of these towns homes square footage wise? [3:12:03, 3:12:16]: There will all be three to four bedroom units. Uh three to four uh that's why I wanna know the size of'em. Uh yeah. Uh if you can answer the question, Bishop or or the any other assistant if you need to come come forward and and uh Ryan don't go too far now. [3:12:19, 3:12:39]: Townhomes are about s uh seventeen hundred to twenty three hundred square feet. Seventeen hundred to twenty three hundred square feet? Yes ma'am. In a townhome? Yes. Three to four bedrooms. I'm sorry. How many garages? Two two door garage. Two garage? Two door. Okay. All right. So two car garage, seventeen hundred. [3:12:39, 3:12:44]: Three to four bedrooms. [3:12:45, 3:12:58]: Uh some of them are three bedrooms, some of them are four bedrooms. No two bedrooms. No two bedrooms. Okay. All right. You could change it three bedroom to two bedroom if you wanted to, but right now all the design is three bedroom, four bedrooms. [3:12:59, 3:13:19]: Well, I just wanted I was curious at what the size was compared to you you have, you know, um se about seven units per acre, a little over seven units per acre, and then three to four bedrooms that's on a townhome, that's pretty much a house, right? Yes. It's as big as us. That's a pretty large [3:13:19, 3:13:25]: And so I wanted to know what that square footage was. Um [3:13:26, 3:13:46]: based off of experience on um Broader Farms, which is not in the c city of Stockbridge, by the way. And so um I just wanted to make sure of what we were looking at, what type of product. Do you have um any examples or any renderings or anything of that nature? Rendering at the town hall, yes. [3:13:48, 3:13:50]: We got this late, so um [3:13:59, 3:13:59]: This one. [3:14:01, 3:14:02]: Let's see it right there. [3:14:04, 3:14:05]: It's not sure. It's not sure. [3:14:13, 3:14:13]: Yeah, yeah. [3:14:23, 3:14:24]: Yeah. [3:14:29, 3:14:33]: And in addition to that, what type of amenities would you be providing for those residents? [3:14:36, 3:14:41]: By the way, the t hotel homes are sixteen hundred square. [3:14:41, 3:14:43]: How many people? [3:14:43, 3:14:44]: Uh where you [3:14:45, 3:14:54]: Well shit. Can we get the picture up here? Yes. Must be in what she got locked in on. [3:14:59, 3:15:00]: Yeah, [3:15:05, 3:15:07]: Yeah, yeah. [3:15:10, 3:15:12]: Um small pair. [3:15:12, 3:15:20]: So that's what it's showing. [3:15:22, 3:15:23]: There you go. [3:15:26, 3:15:29]: Okay, here we go. [3:15:29, 3:15:31]: It's on the screen now. [3:15:32, 3:15:39]: Okay, Quay questions that you may have, Council, about the renderings and the size lot here? Use some pictures. I do. [3:15:40, 3:16:00]: So in accordance you am I okay? Yeah, go ahead. Yes. In accordance with what we have, uh certainly we've done at the past is that on Campground Road we have these type uh development uh that required brick front and then there was a water table uh on the side as you described with the church. [3:16:00, 3:16:00]: Consistent. [3:16:02, 3:16:15]: Um yes, we do have a brick all around it uh uh garages and an entrance and uh for about twelve feet and above will be um hardleboard. [3:16:16, 3:16:21]: Okay, what w okay, that's what I'm saying. On the ones on the campground road, they're full brick fronts. [3:16:22, 3:16:24]: We can change that to full brak if you wanted to. [3:16:24, 3:16:43]: All right, thank you. And then the amenities as she mentioned, uh, I know certainly for me I I don't approve of anything without a pool. And uh certainly a pool would be required t of anything that I would vote for because we don't have any public pools or facilities around here. [3:16:44, 3:16:56]: Uh around the property we have uh three small parks that people can have a d walk their dogs and also um um playground for the uh kids and a pavilion we built. [3:16:57, 3:17:04]: Is available for the residents. I personally for myself I don't prove any developments without a pool, you know. [3:17:05, 3:17:11]: Uh may I speak to the uh amenities just for m moment. So go ahead. Uh when we asked the um [3:17:12, 3:17:16]: Ситі планерської неподінту та пропаті. [3:17:17, 3:17:20]: They gave us a list of amenities that we need to include. [3:17:20, 3:17:24]: А а да поняли не дає тобі. [3:17:24, 3:17:26]: uh restrictions or any [3:17:26, 3:17:46]: Um demands, there were some suggestions. We we listened to those suggestions. So we decided to put three things in place. Presently we have, if we can have the site plan bring up here, I don't know if we can do that. [3:17:46, 3:17:59]: which uh includes um a gazebo uh that uh for family activity. Then we also have if I may just point to that just a moment here um [3:18:06, 3:18:26]: Don't you have this isn't the same uh Ryan, is this same same uh design on the screen? I think you had in your presentation. If you can bring this up in a print, it'd be like try to keep it from I I got it, but it's hard to see that. It'd be better if it's on a pr and that way everybody can see this simultaneously. Okay. If you can bring it before you before you move it from that slide, Mayor, I got a question. Okay, sir. [3:18:26, 3:18:30]: Yeah that's that's the advantage of the C. [3:18:33, 3:18:36]: Which slide is it? The one he was just looking at right here. [3:18:36, 3:18:48]: What what is the setback on those condos? Because it looked like if the car comes out of the garage they across the walkway. Twenty five feet? Yep, no. But this value one is twenty feet. [3:18:49, 3:19:04]: This is what it does. That can't be twenty-five feet seven. No, no. This is this is not twenty-five feet. This is twenty feet. But the new one where I'm giving up is twenty-five. [3:19:05, 3:19:10]: Right. They're asking for twenty five on the next that's our next agenda item. [3:19:10, 3:19:30]: But m that's a concern of mine as well. And I'll uh wait until that agenda item comes up, but I have a um a huge concern with this. That's what we're um the broader farms, I don't care. Uh I have a huge concern with this and I'll discuss that at the next agenda item. So if so if you can move on to if you get that particular [3:19:30, 3:19:37]: design this this div uh on on the screen. This one on the screen so everybody can see that. And then we'll go from there. If you can find on the screen. [3:19:38, 3:19:58]: There you go. Okay, so now you can use the pointer, what the pointer to to identify some things you want to identify there. Use it use a mouse to help identify. Good, good. Um so as we were saying, right here to the north, I don't know if the audience can see uh the northwestern uh corner, there's a gazebo. [3:19:58, 3:20:18]: Uh this is a picnic area. It's uh um roughly I think it's about twelve thirteen thousand square feet. Thirteen thousand square feet. Right over here is the um another uh these are just right here in this area is another park area. Could you blow it up a little bit more? Okay, this is a little bit more. [3:20:18, 3:20:20]: See it clearly. [3:20:24, 3:20:37]: Okay. Okay. Okay, go ahead. Is that good enough? Yeah, that should be better. Go ahead, please. Uh so right in this area, uh we have another park. It's much smaller. Uh we are proposing that would be for uh uh smaller children. [3:20:38, 3:20:39]: A player for smaller children. [3:20:40, 3:20:42]: And down in this southern area here. [3:20:42, 3:20:45]: І замач ларже парк арія формор. [3:20:45, 3:20:48]: uh l older children. So there's three um [3:20:48, 3:21:08]: Park area that's included in this plan. What the architect and developer decided to do is to expand the the walkway from five feet to six feet. That would mean that around this area would be wide enough for a walk-in trail area. So those things we selected as part of the amenities for the process. [3:21:08, 3:21:08]: Probably. [3:21:10, 3:21:15]: Okay. I see. All right, Council, kind of questions you have. Additional questions. Miss Barber Guay, please. [3:21:18, 3:21:20]: Um okay, so this is [3:21:22, 3:21:24]: So [3:21:25, 3:21:34]: When I think in terms of three and four bedrooms, and Councilwoman Gantt already hit on it, I'm thinking about a house. Um, I know that I discussed with you early on [3:21:35, 3:21:48]: Several months ago. Um, I believe this area would be ideal for single family detached homes. Um, so three and four bedrooms, town homes, um, seem a bit [3:21:49, 3:22:09]: Too much. Crammed in um less than eight acres um areas just seems too much. Um I'd like to ask, are building or constructing single family detached homes is that option off the table completely for you? [3:22:10, 3:22:12]: Economically doesn't make sense. [3:22:13, 3:22:15]: Sorry. Economically we cannot do that. [3:22:16, 3:22:18]: Going to the single family housing. [3:22:19, 3:22:31]: What what are you saying economically it would not make sense? But let me just add something further to that. When I met Mr. Fatini, his business was strictly for town homes. We were looking for partnership. [3:22:32, 3:22:42]: He was the first person to come along that we could have a joint partnership agreement with. He wanted to build town homes, we wanted some form of residential. [3:22:42, 3:22:44]: development on the rest of the property. [3:22:45, 3:22:47]: It seemed like it was a good fit at that time. [3:22:48, 3:22:52]: And what really impressed us is that he had insisted that whatever we're gonna build [3:22:53, 3:22:54]: Must complement. [3:22:54, 3:23:00]: the town homes that he would like to build. Well the issue that I have with that is [3:23:00, 3:23:02]: Looking at the area [3:23:03, 3:23:04]: On Valley Hill Road. [3:23:04, 3:23:10]: There are no townhomes. There are no multifamily units on Valley Hill Road. [3:23:11, 3:23:15]: There are all single family detached homes. [3:23:18, 3:23:22]: Yes, but if you look at those homes that were built uh many years ago. [3:23:23, 3:23:23]: And [3:23:24, 3:23:33]: Maybe there is opportunity to build more the single family homes in that area. Well no, down the street of Valley Hill Road. [3:23:33, 3:23:36]: is a newer subdivision, Pine Grove. Mm-hmm. [3:23:36, 3:23:46]: They are single family detached homes. Um so the other question that I have though is I know that there is still undeveloped [3:23:47, 3:23:50]: areas um right next to this [3:23:50, 3:23:51]: Property. [3:23:52, 3:24:12]: It's undeveloped, and I don't know who owns it, but perhaps there may be an opportunity for you to partner with the landowner of the additional land that's there and to build us to bring us back a full plan, development plan. It just seems as though this particular area. [3:24:12, 3:24:15]: I have some serious [3:24:15, 3:24:17]: Safety concerns. [3:24:17, 3:24:21]: Safety concerns as it pertains to that curve. [3:24:22, 3:24:23]: The curve. [3:24:24, 3:24:25]: And I know [3:24:26, 3:24:27]: A traffic studying. [3:24:27, 3:24:29]: May have been conducted [3:24:30, 3:24:33]: But with the traffic study that only tells us about the traffic patterns. [3:24:34, 3:24:35]: And it tells you [3:24:35, 3:24:39]: You know, where is the most best area? [3:24:39, 3:24:41]: For the entrance and exit. [3:24:41, 3:24:43]: of this proposed development. [3:24:44, 3:24:46]: But no engineering study has been performed. [3:24:47, 3:24:48]: With the engineering study [3:24:49, 3:24:50]: That will [3:24:50, 3:24:53]: kind of give you insight into um [3:24:54, 3:24:54]: B. [3:24:55, 3:24:57]: Insight as to a new approaching [3:24:58, 3:25:01]: your entrance and exit of this proposed development. [3:25:02, 3:25:03]: I don't have that information. [3:25:03, 3:25:05]: An an engineering study. [3:25:05, 3:25:10]: hasn't been performed. What I do know is there been accidents. [3:25:11, 3:25:13]: Accidents that have happened along [3:25:13, 3:25:15]: Best stretch of road. [3:25:15, 3:25:17]: So I'm very reluctant. [3:25:17, 3:25:25]: Reluctant just to approve a high density townhome development on that corner. [3:25:25, 3:25:27]: A Valley Hill Road. [3:25:29, 3:25:37]: Uh let me speak to that for a moment. Uh keep in mind that when we first approach our development plans, we were dealing with Henry County. [3:25:38, 3:25:41]: Uh Henry County, when we spoke to the uh [3:25:42, 3:25:46]: The community development department in Henry County. [3:25:46, 3:25:48]: The questions that we presented is what [3:25:48, 3:25:50]: Type of housing [3:25:50, 3:25:52]: Does Henry County need? [3:25:52, 3:25:57]: They gave us some options, and one of the options were town houses, so we knew right away. [3:25:57, 3:26:00]: The town houses was not something that they would oppose. [3:26:01, 3:26:03]: Fast forward now we're in Stockbridge. [3:26:04, 3:26:06]: А він суміт а інічний аплікач. [3:26:06, 3:26:11]: We submitted that application with the understanding that in Henry County proper. [3:26:11, 3:26:13]: There was no opposition to town homes. [3:26:14, 3:26:15]: So at the very [3:26:15, 3:26:18]: Ініціяч of our application. [3:26:18, 3:26:28]: If there were some red flags, it would have given us some opportunity to go back and revisit our plans. We wanted to hear right up front whether or not this would be approved. [3:26:28, 3:26:31]: And then in that application being submitted. [3:26:31, 3:26:34]: If we did not get the green light, we would not have proceeded. [3:26:35, 3:26:37]: So here we are at this junction. [3:26:37, 3:26:40]: We're being told that townhouses are not acceptable. [3:26:41, 3:26:58]: I so uh I'm only venturing to say this also that one of the reasons why we felt very encouraged to proceed with town ho houses because we started with seventy units. We decreased those units to sixty, fifty-six units at the insistence of the planners. [3:26:59, 3:27:19]: We found out later that there's a much larger project on Davis Road that's been granted approval. So that was a bit of an encouragement to us. Since that project was granted approval, we felt as though we should not have an issue uh put putting forth our plans for just a smaller development. Let me just say as the city [3:27:19, 3:27:24]: Council district representative of this area of Valley Hill Road. [3:27:24, 3:27:31]: In addition to the area on Davis Road, I did not support that high density development on Davis Road. [3:27:32, 3:27:35]: Three other council members did. I did not. [3:27:35, 3:27:37]: Just as I won't support this. [3:27:37, 3:27:40]: High density development in that particular area. [3:27:41, 3:27:43]: When I think in terms of high density [3:27:44, 3:27:45]: I'm thinking [3:27:46, 3:27:55]: The best place to put high density is on a state highway. It would be different if these townhomes were proposed. [3:27:55, 3:27:57]: On state route forty two. [3:27:58, 3:27:59]: But it's not. [3:28:00, 3:28:04]: You're building them right next to a residential community. [3:28:05, 3:28:06]: And a small [3:28:06, 3:28:07]: Area. [3:28:09, 3:28:10]: That has safety concerns. [3:28:11, 3:28:16]: I encourage my councilmates to take a drive down Valley Hill Road. [3:28:16, 3:28:20]: in this particular area so that they can see for themselves. [3:28:20, 3:28:25]: I'm real clear when it comes to the conditions of the road, and we all know [3:28:25, 3:28:33]: The roads um that were once an unincorporated Henry County have not been maintained for years. I'm not addressing [3:28:34, 3:28:37]: The roads and the condition of the roads. What I'm condr I'm addressing. [3:28:37, 3:28:39]: Is the safety concerns. [3:28:40, 3:28:43]: The safety concerns in which a engineering study [3:28:43, 3:28:55]: has not been performed unless staff hasn't provided it, just as they didn't provide the renderings. Excuse uh I mean to cut you off, but in two thousand six Henry County did suggest what a current [3:28:55, 3:29:02]: uh driveway extends out on Valley Hill Road. That that that was the optimum location. Okay. That was for a church, sir. [3:29:03, 3:29:12]: This now includes a residential component. And with the residential component, there's gonna be more cars accessing it every day, all times of the day. [3:29:13, 3:29:20]: We need a engineering study in order for me to support this. I know that there should be [3:29:20, 3:29:21]: Yeah. [3:29:21, 3:29:31]: the lease, some flashing lights or um some road breaker, something to alert drivers as they are travelling along. [3:29:31, 3:29:41]: Valley Hill Road that there is a residential development there and people may be entering and exiting this development. That has not happened. [3:29:41, 3:29:47]: What I'm not going to do is to continue just approving every single development that comes here. [3:29:48, 3:29:49]: Our city. [3:29:49, 3:29:51]: Із лукін форті. [3:29:52, 3:29:58]: Quality development. Councilman Alexander talks about it all the time. We want class A development here. [3:29:59, 3:30:02]: This is the first time I've seen that rendering. [3:30:02, 3:30:09]: What was given to the council was just a image. It looks like something out of a coloring book. [3:30:09, 3:30:11]: So I'm curious to know. [3:30:11, 3:30:14]: The image or rendering that you just showed [3:30:14, 3:30:34]: Other townhomes. Where was that photo taken from? What community? I'm glad you asked. Uh certainly we made every attempt to get what community was that what community was that? Okay, first of all, let me Snellville. This was a yes, this was a community planned development that he was responsible for, his company was. [3:30:34, 3:30:38]: The plans that we have is precisely similar to what we have shown. [3:30:38, 3:30:52]: Because there was such a concern to see something visual, I asked him, do you have something that you have ready build similar to what we're going to be doing? And uh the these gentlemen both agreed that this would be something that we could present. [3:30:53, 3:30:54]: Thank you, sir. [3:30:55, 3:30:58]: That's all I have for now. Mr. Elizabeth, go ahead, please. [3:30:58, 3:30:59]: Um [3:30:59, 3:31:11]: That was me. It was me. Oh I'm sorry. Alzheimer. Go ahead, Miss stand by Miss Alzad. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. Let me explain something about what happens when you have districts. [3:31:11, 3:31:12]: Um [3:31:13, 3:31:15]: When you have districts [3:31:15, 3:31:24]: The thing that I do when I come before anyone that wants to do development, now what I do is I let that district representative take the lead. [3:31:26, 3:31:32]: When we had a project come through, if that district representative put stipulations and contingencies [3:31:33, 3:31:35]: On any developer. [3:31:36, 3:31:40]: And let that developer know, I'm okay if you do this, I'm okay if you do that. [3:31:41, 3:31:43]: Then it puts me in a place that I'm gonna say, okay. [3:31:45, 3:31:51]: You know, because it's not that you are against it. You're okay if you put stipulations in place. [3:31:52, 3:31:55]: I just found myself in the same position right now. [3:31:57, 3:31:58]: So it's not about [3:31:59, 3:32:02]: S if you put fifty-six homes there. [3:32:03, 3:32:04]: You're gonna have traffic. [3:32:06, 3:32:11]: Just the same as you putting fifty six town homes there, you're gonna have traffic. [3:32:12, 3:32:17]: So now we're saying, can you fix detached single family homes? [3:32:17, 3:32:23]: versus townhomes. So it's not about people coming in, it's about what you wanna see. [3:32:24, 3:32:39]: I thought it was about people coming in and you were concerned about the convoluted area. But now it's about if you could do single family detached homes, I'm okay with people coming in. I'm not gonna convolute my mind like that. [3:32:40, 3:33:00]: I'm not gonna sit here and waste time with developers or anybody want to develop in this city when you have people in districts or wherever sit here and go back and forth with developers, and then you want all us to be on board with you, then you're not even presenting anything yourself that's concrete. [3:33:01, 3:33:09]: I'm not gonna sit here and say no to something when they're telling stipulations to put in place because it went from this to that. [3:33:09, 3:33:11]: Just like the last development. [3:33:11, 3:33:17]: You're asking to put in tr uh trails, you ask to put in parks, you a even at the meeting, you ask to put in a pool. [3:33:17, 3:33:20]: And every time the c the developer says yes. [3:33:20, 3:33:25]: Well if you're against it, then why are you asking the developer to do all these conditions? [3:33:27, 3:33:33]: So I'm not gonna sit here and play these type of games because once it p is presented [3:33:34, 3:33:37]: ідер іде ідею for you're not [3:33:38, 3:33:40]: But when you get in that gray area. [3:33:40, 3:33:44]: I don't play those kind of games with anybody making presentations. [3:33:45, 3:33:46]: I just don't do that. [3:33:46, 3:33:56]: Well, stand by please. Stand by. Mr. Alexander. If you don't mind Mayor Ford, I like to address everything council. Wait for a time. Ms. Alexander, you are next, sir. [3:33:58, 3:33:59]: Let me just say uh [3:33:59, 3:34:09]: occur with what I just heard. And and I think I need everybody up here to understand. All the business community wanna know is what the rules are. [3:34:10, 3:34:11]: We spent [3:34:12, 3:34:17]: over two years rewriting the unified development code for the city. [3:34:18, 3:34:22]: We presented them out to the public after numerous public hearings and [3:34:22, 3:34:23]: The [3:34:23, 3:34:31]: The I remember there was one rendering where they asked, what types of housing do you see in Stockbridge? And let me make this perfectly clear. [3:34:32, 3:34:52]: Nobody in Stockbridge, except for Mayor Pro Tem, is saying town homes aren't okay and on a location. That's not what we said. Because our unified development code, which all of us up here voted to approve, says town homes are okay in Stockbridge. That's what the code says. All of us up here voted to approve that. [3:34:52, 3:35:12]: That code that says town homes are available. So let us not get that message confused. Town homes are okay in the right location. Quality, she's right. Quality. Gotta be quality for me. It's gotta be quality. What you presented was exactly the same project that I have two of going on in my district right now on Campground Road. [3:35:12, 3:35:24]: Two of'em. Matter of fact, your pro your project, your property is larger as seventeen hundred, where there's sixteen hundred square feet. And I need to explain to the residents and y'all need to understand this clearly. [3:35:25, 3:35:28]: Henry County has two hundred and fifty thousand residents now. [3:35:29, 3:35:49]: Six or seven thousand people move to this county every single month. It's growing. It's the fastest growing county in Metro Atlanta. The people who are coming here need somewhere to live. They do. And everybody comes and says, not on my street, not on my street, put it somewhere else. Well, so there's only so much land that we can put them on. [3:35:49, 3:35:50]: Anywhere. [3:35:50, 3:36:10]: So we look at it and we say, we divide up up. Like I say, I got two townhome communities under construction right now in front, well, one that's already complete and one that's uh nearly uh they're getting ready to go vertical on with the construction. That's what we have to do. It's on a two-lane road, campground road with no sidewalks on it. [3:36:10, 3:36:30]: Because the county just built this road and made that particular thing happen. The reason that I'm taking time to understand this and explain this, because I hear you and I feel what you're saying. But in the essence, what it is is that our hands are tied because we can call it safety, we can call it traffic. The state code is very, very clear. [3:36:30, 3:36:50]: We cannot consider those items when we're looking at denying a zoning. We hear it at every single zoning that we attend, but we cannot reject the zoning based on traffic. If you want to us to be able to do that, go to your state legislatures and get them to change the law. Because right now us only, and the city manager will tell you there's only [3:36:50, 3:37:02]: only three counties in Georgia that can consider schools uh that can actually reject we consider it we consider everything but at the same time to reject the development based on schools or traffic. [3:37:03, 3:37:04]: And in essence, as we said [3:37:05, 3:37:25]: Uh Highway 42 is a hop skip, just a skip down the road from where this is. And it's gonna be widened to four lanes in a multi-million dollar GDOT project that is being transformed in this particular area. I don't want you standing up here explaining stuff to that's not in our code. [3:37:25, 3:37:45]: We can't require you to do things that are not in the code. The code is what they are. And we just got to understand what the rules are. No matter what district we're in, all of us have to have the same rules. We cannot continue to make up rules as we go. We cannot do that. It's unfair to the developer to say, come to me. [3:37:44, 3:38:04]: This is what we're gonna do. And then we spent all this money on the ULDC. We went out to community charest. The community told us town homes, triplexes, single family homes, everything that they wanted to see. That's what we did. That's in the code. I wanna let it rest right there and understand the rules are the rules. [3:38:04, 3:38:15]: the ULDC, not what we simply go by and make up here. We have requests about different things. I want to be very consistent with you the same way we did Davis Row. [3:38:15, 3:38:17]: Davis wrote, we wanted a pool. [3:38:18, 3:38:33]: Davis Road, we wanted a ten foot sidewalk out front of the frontage. I asked for the same thing in every development that's come out of there. There were no town homes on Davis Road when we approved it. There were no town homes on East Atlanta Road when we approved it. [3:38:34, 3:38:54]: Things are changing, and that's going to continue to happen as the city population continues to grow. But it's our job to work on the traffic and the enhancements around here. And like I said, there's a$50 million road project coming on Highway 42.$50 million to improve your traffic so you can go and go to [3:38:53, 3:38:57]: Walmart or go to I six seventy five. Thank you. [3:38:57, 3:39:03]: Mayor for Tem go ahead please. I'd like for us to move along with this public hearing so the public can make comments. [3:39:04, 3:39:05]: These politicians are just up here [3:39:07, 3:39:11]: Let's double check here. Uh any other council, any other comments? We good? [3:39:12, 3:39:32]: Okay. So otherwise, uh gentlemen, you can have a seat now. And we'll uh we may bring you back up a little later. All right. So we'll open up the uh public hearing. And this will start with uh for this uh for this development, high density development, on my left hand side. Any any questions [3:39:32, 3:39:34]: Or any comments four. [3:39:35, 3:39:35]: In my four. [3:39:37, 3:39:38]: In the middle, anybody four? [3:39:41, 3:39:42]: On the right hand side, anybody? Four. [3:39:45, 3:39:46]: Am by four? [3:39:47, 3:40:05]: Okay. Now anybody against from my very left. Anybody against? Stan start start a line on this side. Start a line right here then. If you're against, start a line right there. If you're against. Anybody else in the middle that's against that wants to speak on this? Line up over here. Line up on this side, or my far left side. [3:40:10, 3:40:15]: Anybody on the far right side that w anybody on the far right side against that wants to make any comment? [3:40:16, 3:40:17]: Anybody on the far right? [3:40:20, 3:40:36]: All right. And what's gonna happen, ladies and gentlemen, w when you make your address, you'll give your name and address. Address me as it as as the mayor here, as the chair in a meeting. Miss Holliday, because of the amount of people, three minutes please. When it com come on up, ma'am. You you can start this off. [3:40:36, 3:40:39]: I'm sorry, go ahead. Yes. [3:40:42, 3:40:45]: Oh y I thought it was plugged up. No? [3:40:46, 3:41:05]: Oh, it's a ten minutes but yeah. The rules are ten minutes four and two minutes. Yeah, but but it but okay, hold on. Yeah, you're right. The rules are ten minutes for or four against. But what you know what's gonna happen though, Mr. Alzheimer's? I'm gonna get the ten minutes and I'm gonna ask him asking you all to see it, to to see it. That's why I know it's just gonna happen, okay? So we'll give him three minutes each. All right, thank you. Three minutes, please. [3:41:08, 3:41:14]: Be well, I did not I did not realize the clock was now she just told me the clock was just I thought it was working. [3:41:15, 3:41:16]: I did not know that. [3:41:19, 3:41:19]: Yeah. [3:41:19, 3:41:26]: It's three three minutes it is. And for the record, you had the clock on previous record. [3:41:28, 3:41:42]: For ten for ten minutes. Okay. So it was up for ten minutes. I gotta understand. I I changed it just now. And I figured that I did that because I'm thinking you all would tell me to change anyway. That's right. Exactly right. Okay. Your name, please, and ad and address and you have three minutes, ma'am. [3:41:44, 3:41:48]: Uh hello. My name is Regina Ubadaniru, U B A. [3:41:48, 3:41:53]: D I N I R U, I live at two thirty Hillendale Drive. [3:41:54, 3:41:58]: And um I'm against the project. Um [3:41:58, 3:42:02]: For a few reasons. Number one is um based on safety. [3:42:03, 3:42:15]: I'm concerned about traffic. Um it's it's very dangerous. A lot of people do not abide by the speed limit going traveling down that road. And I'm concerned about um [3:42:15, 3:42:20]: the traffic that will be entering and leaving. Um I'm also concerned um [3:42:23, 3:42:28]: I'm concerned about after the developer develops the the units. [3:42:28, 3:42:35]: Who's gonna be living in there? Are there gonna be people who are homeowners or people who are renting? [3:42:35, 3:42:44]: I'm concerned about criminal element being introduced in a in a in a great quantity quantity if it is at that location. [3:42:45, 3:42:53]: Um it's a pretty a pretty safe and um overall pretty safe and quiet community. So I'm concerned about [3:42:55, 3:42:58]: Who's gonna be there? And I know no one can answer that. [3:42:59, 3:43:19]: What are the motives of um opening those units there? And like I said, are there going to be homeowners there or people who are renting that have no pride in where they're living? But my major concern is is the safety element. And then um, well, I'll I'll just leave it there. So that's my [3:43:19, 3:43:21]: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. [3:43:23, 3:43:26]: Come forward, sir. Name and uh address, please. [3:43:29, 3:43:42]: Anthony Mitten, I think I've already stated my address. Um I am against this, this proposal. Uh in my 30 years on Valley Hill Road, there's only been one other subdivision that's been built. It was multifamily homes. I've seen no [3:43:43, 3:43:46]: Need or desire for high density housing at any time. [3:43:47, 3:43:51]: I do want to ask a question. I don't know who I would direct this to. Um [3:43:51, 3:44:00]: So when they built Valley Hill Station subdivision, they extended Clayton County Water Authority services, water and sewer to the subdivision out of Clayton County. We're not serviced [3:44:01, 3:44:02]: By Henry County. [3:44:04, 3:44:06]: We had problems initially with water pressure. [3:44:06, 3:44:13]: Sewage problems where they had to do some enhancements to the lifting systems. But the question I have is, are there adequate infrastructure today? [3:44:14, 3:44:15]: To support the church. [3:44:15, 3:44:18]: In the townhomes. I suspect some of the houses on the road. [3:44:18, 3:44:20]: Probably on sewage systems. [3:44:21, 3:44:23]: So if there's not adequate facilities [3:44:24, 3:44:30]: Why are we discussing the building of townhomes? And and I'd like that question answered if I could. Maybe that's the developer. I'm not quite sure. [3:44:30, 3:44:34]: And if there needs to be an extension of services, be it the county. [3:44:35, 3:44:36]: Clayton County. [3:44:36, 3:44:42]: Or the city of Stockbridge, who fits that bill? Who pays for that ultimately? Do we the taxpayers pay for that? [3:44:44, 3:44:52]: That's all I have, thank you. Thank you, sir. Uh on that note, uh I do not know uh Mr. Gardner, we have any idea the answer to that question at all? [3:44:54, 3:44:56]: I'm sorry? Of the builder you do? [3:44:56, 3:44:59]: I'm sorry? They got a approval of [3:44:59, 3:45:03]: Okay come to Mike. Come to Mike, Anderson. Um uh Ryan I mean. [3:45:07, 3:45:10]: They received an approval letter from Clayton County Water and Sewer. [3:45:10, 3:45:16]: That they could uh support that they could support the project. Okay. All right, I guess that's what we need then. [3:45:16, 3:45:18]: Okay, thank you. Sir, name and address please. [3:45:21, 3:45:38]: Again, my name is Randall Eck, 413 Cannonball Court, here in Stockbridge, part of Valley Hill Station. Again, thank you, Mayor, Council members, for the opportunity to address you uh regarding this matter and associated matters. [3:45:39, 3:45:58]: Number one, my wife and I have been here for in the Valley Hill Station for 29 years. Uh we fell in love with Valley Hill Station subdivision because of its very peaceful and also semi-rural area of uh which is part of uh Henry County. [3:46:00, 3:46:05]: We're opposed to the agenda items numbered nine through eleven. [3:46:05, 3:46:20]: We have been aware that the parcel adjacent was set as a future home for the church and were fined for that, as I stated earlier. But suddenly a townhouse development is being proposed as part of this land use. [3:46:21, 3:46:32]: Now, there was uh mention of no development along Valley Hill Road has been has come up before the council in uh in some time. [3:46:33, 3:46:37]: But what's wrong with keeping or maintaining green space? [3:46:38, 3:46:41]: The пропі таунхом зонда. [3:46:42, 3:46:51]: Davis Road is not adjacent to Valley Hill Station subdivision. It may be in somewhat proximity, but it's not adjacent. [3:46:53, 3:46:56]: Ха хайденси хаузін. [3:46:56, 3:47:16]: Uh we don't need additional high-density housing because if you look at along Mount Zion Road just north of the Lowe's, the there is a mammoth development going in there. There's also the townhomes going in along East Atlanta Road next to Rico's. [3:47:16, 3:47:18]: The developer [3:47:18, 3:47:38]: Another thing a developer had indicated in our Zoom meeting that a privacy fence would be erected between the properties. This would probably be about six feet in height and of wood construction. Gentlemen and ladies, if you drive along Flippin' Road, uh Eagle Rise subdivision. [3:47:38, 3:47:52]: They have the wooden fence that has deteriorated over the years. Some of it has been maintained, some of it has not. It's an eyesore. I'm sorry. [3:47:53, 3:48:13]: How many churches are in City Council District 4? I believe that was answered in one of the uh planning zoning uh slides, but I'm not against high-density churches or you know, just high density housing in our area. Um [3:48:13, 3:48:17]: But we don't you know, I'm okay with the church being built. [3:48:17, 3:48:33]: Uh Mr. Alexander you said I think you said if it's in the right location or maybe Mr. Blount it was uh you. I'm not so sure that townhomes going into this area is quote in the right location. [3:48:33, 3:48:52]: Uh the rendering shows a very short driveway which you all had already expressed. Okay. And my time is up. Your time is up. But please folks uh address me uh versus a council member specifically. Your time is up, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Um next ma'am, name and address please. [3:48:57, 3:49:10]: Again, my name is Jenny Etheridge, four twelve Cannonball Court, and I would like to reiterate that I have been in the community Valley Hill Station for thirty years. I raised my two children there and I continue to live there because I love the area that I live in. [3:49:11, 3:49:17]: Um, we keep talking about traffic traffic. I don't know if my neighbors would agree with me, but [3:49:17, 3:49:30]: I don't have traffic in my area and that's why I love where I am, because it is not trafficy. I can get to work. I have a very short commute. I never have traffic in that area unless there is an accident. [3:49:30, 3:49:37]: So the problem that's going to be is the traffic that is going to happen once these townhomes, if they are approved. [3:49:37, 3:49:47]: We keep talking about safety and mayor I understand we cannot talk about the safety or do anything about safety of roads according to you know, talking to you tonight. However [3:49:47, 3:50:01]: I have a concern with townhomes and the safety within that area. When we're looking about that small area, I'm a teacher and the first thing that comes to mind to me are children that we are talking about that are going to live in that community. [3:50:01, 3:50:06]: Are there going to be speed bumps to make sure that people that live within the community [3:50:06, 3:50:08]: Are driving safely. [3:50:08, 3:50:14]: Because again, my safety concern would be for the children in that community. It is a very small area. [3:50:14, 3:50:21]: When I stated earlier that I would have been for the building of this church before the Zoom meeting on June fifth. [3:50:22, 3:50:25]: As I sat here and listened again to [3:50:25, 3:50:45]: to the timeline development of when the church will be built or when this community will be be built, I still do not have a clear answer. Will the church be built first or will the town homes be built first? It's very confusing to me. And I question if the town homes are built first [3:50:45, 3:50:48]: Will the church still? [3:50:48, 3:50:59]: be built in that same area. So therefore I am against these townhomes because I think we have many opportunities within areas where we already have houses. [3:51:00, 3:51:05]: that can be used for these people that are moving into our community and area. [3:51:05, 3:51:06]: Again, I am not [3:51:07, 3:51:18]: in favor of the community and I do think we have to look at safety within the area if this is approved. Thank you. Thank you. Next uh next individual please name and address. [3:51:22, 3:51:24]: Good evening. Good evening. Thank you, Mayor. [3:51:25, 3:51:28]: Joshua Head. I'm at four thirteen Grove Hill. [3:51:30, 3:51:32]: Yes. Yes. [3:51:33, 3:51:35]: Grove Hill Drive. [3:51:37, 3:51:40]: Yeah, so I've been in the community here um [3:51:41, 3:51:52]: Two years now, two and a half years now. Um, one of the reasons why I chose a house in this community is because it's quiet, peaceful, felt like it was safe. Of course I rode around the neighborhood before I decided to purchase. [3:51:53, 3:51:55]: I felt like this was a place I could [3:51:56, 3:51:58]: Called home, feel safe, felt like I didn't have to watch my back. [3:51:59, 3:52:04]: So when we talk about a development of a high density um unit. [3:52:05, 3:52:13]: uh uh being proposed. One of my main concerns is safety. Um safety concerns because we know [3:52:16, 3:52:29]: So for one, um you uh the last person she mentioned, uh students, school uh children. So when school is out, we know more uh crime is likely to go up, break ins, things of that nature. Um [3:52:30, 3:52:46]: I practice uh exercising my uh Second Amendment rights. So if I'd rather be alive than someone else, you know, kill me. So I'd rather not uh have to do something like that if, you know. [3:52:48, 3:53:08]: opportunity presented itself. Also the noise, um, traffic of course, um access to main roads, uh is one lane um roads to access highways. So you have to think about how long it takes uh people to get to work. What if somebody has a medical emergency, uh things like that. [3:53:08, 3:53:08]: Oh. [3:53:10, 3:53:15]: Also, uh just the unsightly um projected [3:53:17, 3:53:23]: I I can't even say um images of what y'all showed us on the screen. It's just it looks like an eyesore. [3:53:24, 3:53:30]: Just it it doesn't look well. It doesn't look present you know, something I would I'd be proud to drive by and see every day. [3:53:32, 3:53:34]: Um uh it looks like [3:53:35, 3:53:38]: Driveway is super short, that means cars are gonna be parked on the street. [3:53:39, 3:53:46]: That's ugly. That's an eyesore. I don't want to see that. That's that also um makes obstructions for traffic as well. [3:53:47, 3:53:52]: Medical emergencies, things like that, children in the community and everybody else in the community. [3:53:54, 3:53:57]: Uh so you have to um think about the property value, of course. [3:53:59, 3:54:08]: Who knows if it'll increase or decrease with these uh unsightly things like cars m potentially being parked on the side of the road or, you know, uh outside of the driveway because [3:54:10, 3:54:20]: If it's three or four bedrooms, you can't just assume people are just gonna have one car or two cars. Of course you have a projected two parking spaces per unit, but what about their visitors? [3:54:22, 3:54:33]: Is there anything you're gonna do for the community that's already there? Are you gonna build a clubhouse for the Valley Hill Station community? Would y'all like that? No need to dress them. Just me, please. [3:54:34, 3:54:48]: Could you build a brick wall entrance to just cover up everything?'Cause we don't want to see that. Or just go to single home um detached homes. Sure. It's your time. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Mate. Next next gentleman. Name and address please. [3:54:51, 3:54:54]: Charlie Cook again, 249 Hillendale Drive. [3:54:56, 3:55:05]: Um as I mentioned before, I've been here for thirty years. Uh I'm highly opposed to this. One I understand that the pastor, the church and the developer [3:55:06, 3:55:10]: have a vested interest, so they're very interested in a high density. [3:55:10, 3:55:30]: Uh development. I don't think it fits along that road at all. It's nothing even similar. Maybe there's one out where the other people have been talking about. But I don't understand how the Planning Commission even approved this. There are logical places, as it has been mentioned. [3:55:30, 3:55:31]: [14133.1, 14135.0]: Forty two is going to be expanded. [3:55:35, 3:55:55]: So, you know, there's uh a really nice looking high-density townhomes, uh Augustian Commons, right along 42. There's some other townhomes right off of that. They're huge empty lots right along 42 that we've been told multiple times has a$50 million expansion. I remember when there was no light. [3:55:55, 3:56:15]: At 42 in Valley Hill. And we had to wait till people got killed to put it in. I don't want to see that on Valley Hill. And I think there's much more logical places to put high density. I just don't get what the Planning Commission was thinking. It doesn't seem like there is a plan for where high density is. [3:56:15, 3:56:17]: [14177.4, 14182.7]: Or affordable income housing too. Why aren't we building something like that right next to Walmart? [3:56:23, 3:56:36]: or some other place where people who maybe don't have transportation or under underemployed have easier access to those types of things. But they're not gonna walk down Valley Hill to Walmart. [3:56:36, 3:56:56]: And if they were on forty two and you're talking about putting in sidewalks, that's great. That's a lot more convenient. That park looks smaller than my yard. That so called trail looks smaller than the sidewalks in Valley Hill Station. So I I just don't get why that's even there, why it would even be considered and why [3:56:56, 3:56:56]: [14217.1, 14236.1]: I like high density, like I said, I like the Augustine Commons. I think they did a really good job of that. But that's off of 42, and you have people that have better freeway access there. And there's several developments like that along forty p forty-two, but not on Valley Hill, where you have all these single family homes and two subdivisions. [3:57:17, 3:57:23]: Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Next gentleman. Name and address please. [3:57:26, 3:57:30]: Raymond King one twelve Valleydale Drive, the third house right here on the flat. [3:57:31, 3:57:34]: First off, Mayor uh I didn't mean to get upset. [3:57:35, 3:57:38]: When you was talking about the church is the church. [3:57:38, 3:57:44]: The townhomes are the townhomes, and we're gonna talk about them separately. But when they talk start talking about the townhomes, [3:57:45, 3:57:46]: The pastor was the first one up here. [3:57:48, 3:57:54]: We we've we've been asking about is it the church, is it the townhomes, how they lumped in there together? Nobody would answer it. [3:57:55, 3:57:57]: Іно, самі у гайс май домакний диферс. [3:57:59, 3:58:00]: But I'm saying we've been asking [3:58:01, 3:58:05]: For fifteen, twenty years we've been asking about the church. [3:58:05, 3:58:08]: And then on May this May the ninth, we get a letter about the town homes. [3:58:09, 3:58:09]: Call Henry [3:58:10, 3:58:11]: Henry County, Henry County says. [3:58:11, 3:58:12]: We're out of it. [3:58:13, 3:58:16]: It's up to the city of Stockbridge. To you guys. [3:58:16, 3:58:19]: The only thing they heard about it was a week before on the twelfth. [3:58:20, 3:58:24]: When the church file the p uh the building plans for it a week before [3:58:24, 3:58:26]: We've known about this one month. [3:58:26, 3:58:27]: They've been had the [3:58:28, 3:58:30]: Plat grown up eight years ago. [3:58:31, 3:58:31]: Well. [3:58:33, 3:58:33]: The other thing. [3:58:35, 3:58:39]: When the planning commission was talking or the zoning the young man over there was talking about [3:58:40, 3:58:40]: D. [3:58:41, 3:58:42]: Area around there. [3:58:43, 3:58:46]: It's not the Clayton County Water Authority over there anymore. [3:58:46, 3:58:48]: It's two large warehouses. [3:58:48, 3:58:50]: With a hundred and twenty doors. [3:58:52, 3:58:55]: A hundred and twenty industrial doors. [3:58:56, 3:58:58]: Лесен на маль фрамас. [3:58:59, 3:59:03]: It's not the dry lands from Henry uh Clayton County water, it's a warehouse. [3:59:03, 3:59:12]: That's 120 vehicles or more every single day that's gonna be pulling out on the Highway 42 and going up Bally Hill Road. [3:59:12, 3:59:13]: Every single day. [3:59:14, 3:59:16]: I don't how in the world they missed it. [3:59:16, 3:59:18]: I mean it's as big as this whole [3:59:18, 3:59:19]: Complex. [3:59:21, 3:59:23]: Whether it's townhomes, apartments, or whatever. [3:59:25, 3:59:29]: There's a hundred almost two hundred town homes right up the street in Clayton County. [3:59:30, 3:59:31]: That's in Clayton County. [3:59:31, 3:59:33]: They all started out as townhomes. [3:59:33, 3:59:35]: Ninety percent of now are apartments. [3:59:36, 3:59:40]: I'm not saying these are gonna be apartments, but that's you know, right or wrong. [3:59:41, 3:59:47]: In three or four years, those towns home are gonna be rented out, they're gonna be apartments, and they're gonna be in my backyard. [3:59:49, 3:59:51]: The retention pond. [3:59:51, 3:59:53]: I'm the third one. I'm gonna have [3:59:53, 3:59:55]: Townhomes in my backyard. [3:59:55, 3:59:57]: A retention pond in my backyard. [3:59:59, 4:00:01]: I don't have a say about that. [4:00:01, 4:00:03]: That's where they want to build it. [4:00:03, 4:00:04]: And that's where it's gonna go. [4:00:05, 4:00:07]: And I don't know I've got twenty four seconds. [4:00:08, 4:00:09]: Nobody else talked about it. [4:00:10, 4:00:12]: Right on the other side of Battle Hill Road is the gas plant. [4:00:14, 4:00:23]: A week before this came out, they're gonna take out uh two twelve thousand five hundred pound compressors and put two twenty-five thousand pound compressors in there. [4:00:24, 4:00:27]: You talk about health and safety of the smoke shops and [4:00:27, 4:00:28]: Vapant places. [4:00:28, 4:00:29]: When implants get going. [4:00:30, 4:00:32]: I've told the pastor they're gonna hear it. [4:00:32, 4:00:43]: Thank you. Appreciate the comments And sir, this ain't a game. It might be a game to you guys, but it ain't too sir. Just that that's it. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Ma'am, your next uh name and address please. [4:00:46, 4:00:49]: Hi, my name's Nancy McCrae, one twenty-four Valley Dale Drive. [4:00:54, 4:01:07]: One thing that I haven't heard mentioned that I picked up from the community meeting um last Monday was Mr. Fatimi used the phrase purchase agreement. He has a purchase agreement with the church. [4:01:08, 4:01:11]: I asked specifically what that purchase agreement meant. [4:01:11, 4:01:12]: And [4:01:13, 4:01:15]: I didn't get a straight answer. [4:01:15, 4:01:15]: But [4:01:16, 4:01:16]: Um [4:01:17, 4:01:18]: My impression is [4:01:18, 4:01:21]: It's the purchase agreement is contingent upon [4:01:22, 4:01:23]: The town homes being approved. [4:01:24, 4:01:26]: If the town homes aren't approved, then [4:01:26, 4:01:30]: There's no purchase agreement. That was but I didn't get a straight answer. [4:01:30, 4:01:34]: So but that was my impression when I asked the question. [4:01:34, 4:01:46]: So I wanted to point that out. And then beyond that, I know that um it was mentioned that safety on roads is not a factor. Um I'm the one that emailed all of you earlier today pictures. [4:01:47, 4:01:51]: of accidents that I've taken pictures of. Um forgive me, I didn't [4:01:51, 4:01:55]: No how to show those to you here or show it to the crowd. [4:01:55, 4:02:07]: But um one of the pictures was a gentleman going too fast around that curve and took out a pole and several trees and you couldn't even tell that the car was behind all those trees. Um [4:02:07, 4:02:09]: The other one uh [4:02:09, 4:02:11]: was actually a life light. [4:02:12, 4:02:14]: That landed in [4:02:14, 4:02:18]: In on the property, uh pretty much where the retention pond is gonna be. [4:02:18, 4:02:23]: Maybe a little bit, maybe where the strip of townhomes are are, but [4:02:23, 4:02:27]: It was because a dump truck came around that corner, over corrected, and flipped. [4:02:28, 4:02:31]: And it probably would have landed either in that park [4:02:31, 4:02:33]: Or in that retention pond. [4:02:33, 4:02:47]: Um so I don't know what type of walls they may put up to separate their property from the road, but cars do land in that field all the time. Um so I wanted to point that out. Um [4:02:49, 4:02:50]: Let's see here. [4:02:51, 4:02:55]: There was a head on collision between two cars. Um [4:02:56, 4:03:13]: Another accident involved just one car that took that uh lady that took that curve too fast and flipped her vehicle when I got down there. Uh people were already there trying to keep the lady calm. They had her sitting on the backbench seat from her car, which had come out of the car. [4:03:13, 4:03:31]: Um it had somehow ejected and she was sitting there ever so nicely next to the car which was resting on its roof. So these accidents aren't just, you know, fender benders. They're major accidents. Um beyond this argument, I've noticed that other developments in the area [4:03:32, 4:03:37]: Um, where it seems construction has slowed, and I'm concerned with higher interest rates. [4:03:38, 4:03:53]: Uh people aren't buying as much right now. This leads me to the next concern, which would be who could afford to purchase properties right now given today's real estate climate. The conclusion I come up with is million dollar corporations, just like the ones who bought some of the houses sold in the last five years. [4:03:53, 4:03:55]: Thank you for your time, appreciate it. [4:03:56, 4:03:58]: Ma'am, next name and address, please. [4:04:00, 4:04:05]: My name my name is Amika Moore. My address is one twenty five Valleydale Drive. [4:04:06, 4:04:10]: All right, my concern here, I wasn't gonna say anything, I wanted to just see how this was gonna go. [4:04:10, 4:04:16]: I love the area I stay in. I really do love my subdivision, but the fact that I'm in a meeting. [4:04:16, 4:04:21]: And someone is changing the trajectory of everything. Also, my biggest concern is [4:04:21, 4:04:25]: the expressions on some of you guys' faces that bothers me mere because [4:04:26, 4:04:34]: You know, people are saying, yeah, they have to. I've heard comments, yeah, people have to stay somewhere. Yeah, it's this and this. We're getting this big role, but this is where we live. [4:04:35, 4:04:42]: And I think mainly that's where everybody's living. I mean, that's where everybody's missing. If you feel that way, move'em to your subdivision. [4:04:42, 4:04:54]: I don't want that in my subdivision. Being a teacher in Henry County, I see the overcrowd in other schools. And bringing 200 plus people in my backyard is a problem to me, because we already don't have place to put kids. [4:04:54, 4:04:57]: But we're bringing on this big project. [4:04:57, 4:05:08]: Then no one can answer like everyone has stated. What is gonna come first? Of the subject the town hall is coming first of the church. When you ask the developer, he says it's economical. That means you don't have the money. [4:05:09, 4:05:14]: So that mean we're trying to find those things and I just don't want I want everyone to consider that this is where we live. [4:05:14, 4:05:18]: Some of my neighbors have been li here for thirty years. I've only had five years in the game. [4:05:19, 4:05:28]: But I respect my area and I really love the city of Stockbridge. So I really hope you guys made the great a better decision. Thank you. Thank you. Ma'am, name and address, please. [4:05:31, 4:05:37]: Yes, my name is Linda Miller, three oh seven Grove Hill Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia. [4:05:39, 4:05:48]: I have been a resident of a home owner in Valley Hill Station from day one. I was one of the very first ones to move into my subdivision. [4:05:48, 4:06:08]: I am retired now, as many of the residents in my subdivision are, and yes, we are aging drivers. And yes, we do have to turn right out of our subdivision to go to our church. And by the way, there are three churches on Valley Hill Road. One at the beginning next to 42. My church is at the end, and then we have one across the [4:06:08, 4:06:11]: the road, let alone the lumber company down there. [4:06:12, 4:06:27]: And I we have to go the we have to cross the railroad tracks to go to East Atlanta to our publics to get our pick up our medicine, different things. Go play bingo at Merrill Manders with Mr. Blount. Yes, I am I do do that. [4:06:28, 4:06:40]: And yes, I am very opposed to this, very opposed to this, and it very it upsets me very much to watch set back here, watch most of you set up your stone faced. [4:06:40, 4:06:54]: And care more about building in Henry County than you do the safety of your sit the taxpaying and votus voting citizens of Henry County. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time. Appreciate it. Okay. [4:06:58, 4:07:01]: All right, council. That now ends the public hearing and uh [4:07:03, 4:07:05]: Yes, sir. Come on back up, please, Bishop. [4:07:11, 4:07:31]: Thank you, Mary. I'm gonna be as brief as I can. I think it would be unfortunate if I did not try to at least answer some of the questions that the residents have shared with you tonight. Uh let me express this first and foremost: that I am deeply, deeply concerned about the residents there in that community. I'll go so far as saying this: the reason why I can make that statement. [4:07:31, 4:07:35]: [14855.2, 14864.3]: We had in mind a community that we can draw from and have parishioners come and worship with us. [4:07:44, 4:07:51]: I understand concerns of citizens who may have re great uh issues with [4:07:51, 4:08:00]: Safety, uh, that is our concern as well, because very well some of our members are planning, considering, buying into that community. [4:08:01, 4:08:06]: And they're not interested in a place where safety is gonna be a a major factor. [4:08:06, 4:08:14]: So we're we want to build in an area where there can be middle class families that we can encourage to be a part of our congregation. [4:08:15, 4:08:23]: So we do not want to have an area where uh people who are not gonna care for the property. The property itself, townhomes are gonna be sold. [4:08:24, 4:08:25]: Not granted, sold. [4:08:26, 4:08:31]: Uh let me add something further. Uh question pi being asked is when? [4:08:31, 4:08:38]: I tried to allude to that earlier by stating that when we had this joint agreement with uh the developer. [4:08:38, 4:08:41]: We found that what was most equonomical. [4:08:42, 4:08:51]: Was this type of partnership agreement? Now, the church could have, in an initial plan we had some several years earlier, we're gonna take on the entire project. [4:08:51, 4:08:53]: site development and construction. [4:08:54, 4:08:58]: Part of our uh issue was the cost overall. [4:08:59, 4:09:19]: When the developer came along and he says, What we're gonna share that cost with you rather than you taking on this your entire site development plan, the detention pond, I'm gonna work with you. I'm gonna develop the site, I'm gonna put in the detention pond, I'm gonna put in the acceleration road, deceleration roll. What did that do? [4:09:19, 4:09:26]: Reduce the cost on the church. That's a shared cost. So in the first phase of development, it's a joint effort. [4:09:26, 4:09:31]: After the site development has been completed, the church is going to take a separate path. [4:09:32, 4:09:34]: The developer's gonna take a separate path, meaning [4:09:35, 4:09:37]: The developer is gonna obtain their funding. [4:09:38, 4:09:40]: We have been in discussion with a lender. [4:09:40, 4:09:45]: Who has assured us if we can get approval from this council? [4:09:45, 4:09:49]: They will grant us the funding to proceed with our construction. [4:09:50, 4:09:55]: Now the developer he has stated to me, well in three three to six months he'll start the project. [4:09:55, 4:10:04]: But he's also stated that the economy will dictate how quickly he'll develop those projects. Meaning, in the first phase, he could. [4:10:04, 4:10:06]: Bill perhaps ten units. [4:10:07, 4:10:09]: And if those ten units are sold, then he'll move on. [4:10:10, 4:10:17]: If those ten units aren't sold, then he may have to slow the process. That's the townhouse. We have nothing to do with that. [4:10:17, 4:10:19]: In the meantime, we're gonna proceed. [4:10:19, 4:10:20]: We're building the church. [4:10:21, 4:10:27]: Now, granted, uh, we cannot dictate to the developer how quickly he will need to build those townhouses. [4:10:27, 4:10:31]: But what we do hope is that before that project is fully developed, [4:10:32, 4:10:36]: We can have a seat at the table with the city council members or whomever. [4:10:36, 4:10:41]: And talk about these concerns the residents do have. They're important concerns. [4:10:41, 4:10:58]: And it would be unfortunate if I or any of our members or the developer would overlook that. I'm not gonna suggest to you how you should uh take those concerns into consideration. But I'm saying from our position, we have concerns. Meaning if we can sit down, we find out there's some things the city can do. [4:10:58, 4:11:05]: or the county to improve traffic flow in that area. Hopefully the city or the county would respond. [4:11:05, 4:11:25]: If there are things that we can do as a church, hopefully we'll at that time have the means and resources to complete that, well before the entire project is completed. So in other words, I I I think if it's three to six months months before you get started, perhaps it may be a year before the entire project is completed, as far as the townhouse is concerned. [4:11:25, 4:11:40]: By then I hope we'll have a fully comprehensive plan in place that can address their concerns. Uh if I may, I don't know how much time I have. I want to run down a few of these concerns the residents have. They say don't give a preacher a mic, you'll be in trouble. [4:11:40, 4:11:47]: Uh so let me let me see if I can abide by whatever time you have. There are a few other concerns that are mentioned. [4:11:47, 4:11:49]: uh purchase um [4:11:50, 4:11:54]: The uh purchase of the property are individual owners. [4:11:54, 4:12:09]: We have nothing to do with that. Again, some of our residents, our parishioners, uh will be purchasing. Matter of fact, I have a sister who's interested in purchasing, a friend that should purchase. She can't hardly wait for the project to go up. Clayton County has given us the approval. [4:12:09, 4:12:17]: They've evaluated the capacity of our project and have determined that it can be met. [4:12:17, 4:12:22]: The uh I've heard mention the concerns about traffic. [4:12:23, 4:12:27]: А лемі ще сипли цей десь трафік водоби і міді. [4:12:27, 4:12:29]: And so we again we need to look at that. [4:12:30, 4:12:32]: Not short term, but long term. [4:12:32, 4:12:40]: Uh the detention pond, where the tension pond is located. The engineers have determined that the slope of the property slopes towards that area. [4:12:41, 4:12:43]: That's the lowest point on the property. [4:12:43, 4:12:45]: It was more practical. [4:12:45, 4:12:48]: For us to be developer himself, he made the point. [4:12:49, 4:13:09]: That is more practical for the detention pond to be in the place where it is. So it was not uh a deliberate attempt or indiscriminate attempt. It was by the the design of the property, the slope of the property, it was best determined that that's the best place it should be. I think I've just hit the high points here, but again, we're all concerned about safety. [4:13:09, 4:13:29]: criminality, all of those things of concern to us. We pray that we'll have the kind of residents next to our church that are citizens who would respect their neighbors. And again, we we have no control where citizens are these days and what they may do. We well realize that these present days, crime is everywhere. [4:13:28, 4:13:48]: But I do value their concerns. We want to make sure that the HOA that goes into place, I would certainly want them to hear some of these concerns and to incorporate them in those plans. We value what we're doing. And this partnership, again, first and foremost, is a joint effort. [4:13:48, 4:14:01]: Phase one, site development plan is completed, then we can move forward. The cost reduction is significant. And I've heard the uh the concern about the number of units that are gonna be built. [4:14:01, 4:14:04]: The engineer developer said to us, he said, Reverend [4:14:05, 4:14:25]: If you want to get this project done more economically and more efficiently, you have to work together with me. And if we can get that site development cost reduced, we can lower the cost on the homes, make them more affordable, but at the same time lower the cost on the church. Again, the church has its own funding source. [4:14:24, 4:14:44]: to obtain our timelines will immediately begin once the site work is done. We have nothing to do with the developer once the site work is complete. Hopefully that addressed some of those main concerns that citizens have uh brought forward. Stand stand by please any further questions before we go before I ask for a vote here. Yes. [4:14:44, 4:14:49]: [15290.1, 15290.8]: So [4:14:51, 4:15:01]: And to answer Councilman Blount's comment he mentioned about if I don't support this project, why am I adding all of these conditions? It's because I've res [4:15:01, 4:15:06]: I've talked with the residents. I know exactly what they're asking for. [4:15:07, 4:15:08]: If [4:15:08, 4:15:11]: The pastor of this church wants to support [4:15:11, 4:15:13]: Of the representative of this area. [4:15:13, 4:15:15]: You will have to agree. [4:15:15, 4:15:22]: to all of the conditions in which I've addressed them with the pastor. And he's told me it's not possible. [4:15:22, 4:15:27]: I asked for single family, detached homes. That's not possible. [4:15:28, 4:15:30]: I asked that they conduct an engineering study. [4:15:31, 4:15:36]: So that they would recommend it would recommend methods to prevent motor vehicle accidents. [4:15:37, 4:15:47]: with site distance requirements, because we know that there's a safety concern. The safety concern is on the the onus of the developer. [4:15:47, 4:15:49]: in the city to prevent any [4:15:50, 4:15:53]: Major catastrophes and accidents in that area. [4:15:54, 4:15:56]: We all know there's a blind curve there. [4:15:57, 4:16:02]: But everybody's no one on this council is addressing it. Staff didn't address it either. [4:16:03, 4:16:14]: I'm asking the pastor about it as well. He hasn't addressed it. The roads, I am not addressing the conditions of the road. What I am con dr addressing is the [4:16:15, 4:16:18]: Дік до блайн ков, вичес афті концерн. [4:16:20, 4:16:21]: In addition to [4:16:22, 4:16:35]: I asked about a pool, clubhouse, and playground. Those are the amenities that Councilman Alexander mentions all the time. We want high quality, class A developments here. [4:16:35, 4:16:38]: Ідесна часто пікник ірея. [4:16:39, 4:16:40]: This is not enough, said [4:16:42, 4:16:44]: We also also talked about oh [4:16:45, 4:16:49]: Um the hundred percent fee simple, owner occupied. [4:16:50, 4:16:53]: The rentals we don't want it. [4:16:54, 4:16:54]: Um [4:16:55, 4:16:57]: The front entrance and beautification. [4:16:57, 4:17:00]: Um signage in the front of this development. [4:17:01, 4:17:11]: all of which I've discussed with the pastor. What it seems as though this council has already made decisions. In fact, the pastor has felt comfortable enough [4:17:12, 4:17:16]: To have conversations with other members of this council and is not addressing [4:17:17, 4:17:19]: The individual who represents the [4:17:19, 4:17:20]: The people here. [4:17:21, 4:17:25]: I'm telling you over and over again what their concerns are. [4:17:26, 4:17:31]: You're only choosing to address what you want to address. They're concerned about um [4:17:32, 4:17:33]: The [4:17:33, 4:17:36]: residential component of this development. [4:17:36, 4:17:37]: Being built. [4:17:38, 4:17:40]: And never the church when in fact the whole [4:17:41, 4:17:45]: Objective of this proposed project was the church. [4:17:47, 4:17:50]: But nobody is addressing that. I need to know when. [4:17:51, 4:17:55]: If this is approved tonight by this council because I'm not supporting it. [4:17:55, 4:17:57]: If it is approved by the council tonight [4:17:58, 4:18:00]: When when will the church [4:18:01, 4:18:04]: began construction because that has received approval. [4:18:04, 4:18:05]: Well that [4:18:05, 4:18:08]: Being began construction in the next ninety days? [4:18:10, 4:18:30]: Okay, uh let me answer that too. Will you begin the construction of the church within the next ninety days? The developer stated that it will take uh perhaps uh three months before anything can begin, meaning the clearing of the property. Now, how long that takes, the developer can answer that. How long does it take to develop the site itself? The developer can answer. [4:18:30, 4:18:36]: answer that I'll I'll certainly have him to come and speak to that. But now once the site work is completed [4:18:36, 4:18:56]: Which may take uh Mr. Fatimi, would you like to give some indication how long? Come on to the yes. Now remember, keep set uh pardon me, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but remember now, enough the church cannot start its project until the site work infrastructure is completed. The sewer lines, uh the [4:18:56, 4:19:16]: The uh park road curb and all of those things, detention part, those things do take some time to put in place. Now, once those are completed, the church now can proceed. Now I will say this: when we get a plan, I speak positively and I'm hopeful we will, and I'm hoping that in the future we'll have a positive relationship. [4:19:16, 4:19:23]: Our residents will discover that was a good thing for us to be in the community. But when that approval is given, [4:19:23, 4:19:34]: We want to make sure that we're going to put plans into motion to start the process for the development of the church. The developer is going to do the same on his side of the fence. [4:19:34, 4:19:41]: Now, in regards to the curb, uh I'm pointing to the curve, the very curb that you made mention of right here. [4:19:41, 4:19:55]: When we first started this project in 2006, not this project, another project that did not include the townhouses, we went so far as to put in the uh the driveway, main entrance right here. [4:19:56, 4:20:02]: When the engineers from I'm put it right here, right here. This is where we had placed it, and I'll show you on the plans we have. [4:20:02, 4:20:22]: When we went to Henry County Planning and Zoning, the engineers, the civil engineers said we have to go out on site and inspect the property and see where it is. There were three gentlemen from Henry County engineers who came out on site and they told us that where we have it currently is the best line of sight. [4:20:22, 4:20:31]: that possibly can give. Now I'll go so further to state that on this side, once this area is cleared with trees, you'll have an excellent line of sight. [4:20:32, 4:20:36]: А this will also be the case on this side from where we are standing in this area. [4:20:36, 4:20:56]: Visibility is limited. And that's will be a concern. But once the trees and the shrubbery are cleared, uh, we'll have a much improved line of sight. But at the same time, we hope in the future we can have some warning signs put up, flashing lines perhaps, because by then the construction of the housing would have increased. [4:20:56, 4:21:16]: And uh we have more uh traffic. I don't know if I've answered your your your main questions. You did. Okay. Thank you. All right, any other comments before we take a vote here? Anything else from the council? Yeah, you're going, Miss Uh. Mr. Aaron, uh public works or in regards to the roads, you heard a lot about the blinds. [4:21:16, 4:21:18]: Come on up there, sir. [4:21:20, 4:21:31]: We've heard we've heard some concerns about blind spots in this road. One, did we just inherited this road in January? I that's one of my questions. And number two, um [4:21:33, 4:21:38]: what can be done in the future, regardless of of [4:21:39, 4:21:46]: uh whether townhomes are there or not, what can be done to are there any signs that say warning blind spot or [4:21:46, 4:21:54]: bla or sharp curve or whatever the case may be. I'm sure that GDOT requires certain things anyway. So I'm asking what is on that road [4:21:54, 4:21:58]: To provide notice of the danger of that road. [4:21:58, 4:22:18]: Well, we can always put additional signage, but one of the first thing I would suggest is we contact Herring County because they had a traffic study done on all their major roads. That road was under their jurisdiction. So we should contact them to see what information they have regarding that road and what recommendations they had for improvements to the road. Okay. So that [4:22:18, 4:22:38]: That road was under their jurisdiction. That was the question I had. Yes, ma'am. So we we but is it now under our jurisdiction? Yes, ma'am, as a remote. So we've inherited this road as of January of this year, correct? Yes, ma'am. We have a lot of roads that we're working on right now and looking at. And so once we do that step, we determine what [4:22:38, 4:22:43]: their road plans were for for Valley Hill, correct? Yes, ma'am. All right. [4:22:43, 4:22:47]: All right, thank you. I don't have any further questions in regards to the road. [4:22:47, 4:22:53]: If no other questions for the council I need a motion to approve or disapprove this uh section. [4:22:57, 4:22:59]: Is there a motion? One way or the other? [4:23:03, 4:23:05]: I can't make a motion, folks. [4:23:08, 4:23:12]: Lo let me ask a couple let me ask a question real quick. So [4:23:13, 4:23:33]: In terms of what we've been doing with these developments, uh we've been setting rental caps uh at the ones that we've done. Uh we set a 10% rental cap that will be included in the covenants in the neighborhood that says that would mean a 90% owner-occupied requirement. We would have owner occupied requirement in there, and there would be a maximum. [4:23:33, 4:23:50]: maximum of ten percent uh rentals in the subdivision. Are you agreeable with those terms? Oh absolutely, absolutely. Uh we're here to hear what the city guidelines may be that would move us forward and I think that's a reasonable um suggestion. [4:23:51, 4:24:11]: So during the HOA there would be a HOA would be required to maintain the property, uh to make sure now as part of the HOA will the lawns be maintained as well? Yes, the HOA would maintain the the that's why we want an HOA to make sure the property adjacent to our church will well represent our property. [4:24:11, 4:24:20]: Yes. Um all the tunnels since um you have to maintain a roof property uh maintenance. [4:24:20, 4:24:23]: Have to have HOA, so we're definitely gonna have HOA. [4:24:23, 4:24:30]: Question with that. I'm gonna let her finish. I wanna make sure before I do anything. [4:24:31, 4:24:50]: There was a mention of purchase agreement. Um, who currently owns the property? The church does. And is there a purchase agreement in place for the per property be to be purchased through to the developer or to open the property? As long as we are 501 C three, we cannot build a church I mean uh on our per church property. [4:24:50, 4:24:55]: So that's why we had to divide the the property into two parsels. [4:24:56, 4:25:00]: Thereby allowing for town homes to be built on the larger parcel. [4:25:00, 4:25:02]: На азачеч. [4:25:03, 4:25:04]: Uh we cannot [4:25:04, 4:25:09]: А девел entity a townhouses, we have to have a separate. [4:25:10, 4:25:19]: Um entity entity to which we can build under. So it made it a lot easier for us to have someone who could partner with us. [4:25:19, 4:25:24]: Consider our interests, our concerns, as well as whatever concerns residents have. [4:25:24, 4:25:32]: To come to the table with us. So by doing so, uh they're gonna have access, we work out the terms of agreement for cost. [4:25:32, 4:25:33]: And then [4:25:34, 4:25:40]: That's where they're gonna develop the the townhomes. So who's gonna own the property? Because i in my eyes [4:25:40, 4:25:44]: When you have a purchase agreement, you're a non profit, you could possibly [4:25:45, 4:26:00]: also have a for profit entity as well. It it is under your control to be able to create your own entity, your own business entity, correct? So my question to you is, and that I'm sorry I shouldn't uh said c that's correct, correct? [4:26:00, 4:26:13]: You could you it it it is possible to have a separate business entity outside of your nonprofit, is that not it is, it is, it is. Okay. Now you're partnering with the developer, is what you're saying. [4:26:13, 4:26:14]: And [4:26:14, 4:26:18]: But you're answering for the developer in regards to [4:26:19, 4:26:27]: the agreement of the 10%. I need to know whoever's owning that property that they're gonna agree to the 10% cap. [4:26:27, 4:26:28]: Right. Not [4:26:28, 4:26:34]: the person who's selling the property over because is there some type of partnership agreement in place? [4:26:34, 4:26:40]: No, currently church owns the property. I understand. And when we go through this process [4:26:41, 4:26:47]: We we will end up owning this property. You will are so are you agreeing to the terms that we're asking for? [4:26:48, 4:27:08]: I think we're gonna sell a hundred percent to the owners to the HOA and ten percent I don't think is a big deal because majority of the owners of the building uh properties will be church cores anyway. So Would you agree to that though? Would you agree to that cap and and the HOA having uh HOA covenant to state? [4:27:08, 4:27:15]: Something of that nature? We don't plan to rent them out. So we're pl we're planning to sell every single unit to single members. [4:27:15, 4:27:17]: So I don't see a problem. [4:27:17, 4:27:21]: Well it's not a a just a plan. It's something that we are saying we want to [4:27:22, 4:27:23]: We want you know [4:27:24, 4:27:34]: But for the reason we're voting to agree to this is because you're agreeing to make sure this happens. That's what we're saying right now. If if it is part of the plan, yes, we can agree to it. [4:27:35, 4:27:43]: I'm sorry? No, go ahead. Repeat it please. Yeah, if if it's it's approved on conditionally, we will agree to it. [4:27:44, 4:27:44]: Okay. [4:27:46, 4:27:47]: All right. [4:27:48, 4:27:50]: No further questions. [4:27:50, 4:28:10]: Okay, certainly what we've done to be consistent with every other development that we had done uh along the frontage we required a ten foot multi-use path along the frontage so there would be a wide sidewalk because right now there's no sidewalk there. We did that for Davis Road, we did that for East Atlanta Road, any developments because we [4:28:10, 4:28:16]: We're developing a citywide trail network. Are you okay with the sidewalk along the frontage? [4:28:17, 4:28:20]: Стенфут сайдвак [4:28:20, 4:28:31]: Uh we can have it in front of our sidewalk but the the then church has to have the sidewalk also and then it's gonna end up end at the end of our pr property. So who's gonna take over from there on? [4:28:32, 4:28:34]: Well certainly it would it would need to be both parcels. [4:28:36, 4:28:50]: Well it will end in our in you see where the uh our property line is. Well where whatever whatever your property line is, whether's whatever's yours, whatever the church, it would be a ten foot sidewalk. That's what we require for every development. [4:28:51, 4:28:56]: I think what he's asking is that as long as we end it at our property line. [4:28:56, 4:29:05]: We don't know. Right, it's you you don't have to go pay your property line. All of your frontage, whether it's the church or his, need to be covered by the ten foot sidewall. [4:29:05, 4:29:15]: Okay. That's agreeable? Yes. Okay. And also we had uh asked for I think Council Mayor Pro Tem had asked for a pool and a clubhouse. [4:29:18, 4:29:38]: Well, you know, having a pool is a liability. I certainly understand that, sir. But to be consistent with what I'm asking you not not to tell me why. I'm asking you if you can do the pool or not. Agree to something that HOA and people who are actually living in that unit increases their HOA fees. [4:29:38, 4:29:48]: they may not be able to maintain it. It's gonna be a liability to the community. So I think i it would be a harmshit to the I can build it. [4:29:49, 4:29:58]: I just need to know that's what I'm gonna that's what I'm gonna store to m maintain it is totally different thing. That's what I'm gonna put in the conditions. Are you agreeable to that? [4:30:02, 4:30:06]: Well if if we build it and nobody can maintain it. [4:30:06, 4:30:21]: What is good you for The HOA, the HOA, that's their job. If they don't maintain it, just like Pine Grove didn't maintain theirs, we crack down on them. Code enforcement will get involved. The HOA will be required to. They ain't no not doing it. Pine Grove found that out. [4:30:21, 4:30:41]: You see I don't know how many pine uh uh uh members they have in Pine Grove, but this is only fifty-six units. You know, you you're asking a uh members to pay hefty fine, hefty uh HOA fees to just to have a swimming pool maybe used or not used. [4:30:42, 4:30:47]: I I certainly understand that sir, but every other development like yours has a pool in it. Under fifty six units? [4:30:47, 4:31:05]: Yeah, forty seven has one uh attached to a subdivision, yes. Yes. Have forty seven approved in my district, uh and they were attached to a subdivision across the street, they used the pool over there at the subdivision. They had it in the HOA Covenant. I approved that project as a part of my district, yes, sir. [4:31:06, 4:31:17]: Yeah, extra question. Uh we currently have three recreational areas, one of which is large Sir I understand that. Do you agree up all to the pool or not? We can go home and say no. [4:31:17, 4:31:35]: I just the reason I was asking is can we is it uh in lieu of the parking area or in addition to whatever we have here? What it would do, it will replace one of those areas. You would instead of you having we don't want to increase we what we want to do is take one of those areas that you've identified as a park to make uh this make the uh pool. [4:31:40, 4:31:50]: It's gonna be additional costs for the union members. It's gonna be very expensive. Would you say yes to it? [4:31:53, 4:31:55]: Fifty six units. Funny. [4:31:59, 4:32:01]: Well I know. We we're trying to get there. [4:32:01, 4:32:02]: We good with that? [4:32:03, 4:32:13]: I will agree to build it but you know uh Uh I guess all I need to know, sir, are you okay with that? It's gonna be in the conditions because if you don't build it, you're not gonna be able to move forward. It's gonna be in the conditions. [4:32:14, 4:32:15]: You okay with that? [4:32:15, 4:32:17]: I'm okay with it, but members is gonna be [4:32:18, 4:32:33]: I I certainly understand. Every the clerk, Ms. Clerk, did you get down the conditions? What wh why don't we make that part of the motion? That way th it'd be that it'd be all part of whatever motions is. Right. That's what I'm asking the clerk. Did you get them th those down? [4:32:40, 4:32:56]: along the front of both the church and the town home development and replacing one of the parts uh with pools. So that will be two parts. I don't know which of the three parts is being replaced by status of [4:32:57, 4:32:58]: The step. [4:33:04, 4:33:18]: The staff would get together with them to act up the uh the uh the most th so so it could be placed the staff would make the determination with where what is the best place to locate it in concert with [4:33:18, 4:33:22]: the developer, did you get down about the ten percent rental cap? [4:33:30, 4:33:46]: It I don't know whatever the H1 uh could be it could be three or five hundred miles a year, so everybody but else I don't know. Okay. But anyway, about that. Yes. [4:33:51, 4:33:52]: You okay with that? [4:33:55, 4:33:56]: Heathen Conference. [4:34:02, 4:34:06]: Any other conditions uh recommended by staff? [4:34:08, 4:34:14]: All right, l um no no sir, you you already had your con that that listen listen, sir. [4:34:14, 4:34:17]: Yeah, I told you, I told him I gave you the real ground rules earlier. [4:34:17, 4:34:18]: Okay, so [4:34:18, 4:34:38]: Well you're going to address what now, Ms. Uh Ms. Carter? If if I may, mayor counsel. So the item before you at this time is the comprehensive plan amendment, which is specifically just to allow for them to build under a high density residential at the seven units per acre. Okay. Um we typically don't put zoning conditions. [4:34:38, 4:34:42]: on the comp plan amendment is either an approval or a denial. [4:34:42, 4:34:43]: Um [4:34:43, 4:34:57]: And then for the rezoning which will be next, those conditions would be most appropriate. Oh, so that's in the next round. Okay. That's in the next round if that's the case. Okay. I'll make a motion to approve and then we'll uh look at the conditions on the next round. [4:34:57, 4:35:04]: All right, is there a second to wait the comp plan what? Say say that one more time. What are we voting on? The comp plan, what exactly? [4:35:05, 4:35:18]: There's what's called a comprehensive plan amendment, and that's required for any rezoning application that comes in at a density that is higher than what is currently in the future land use map or the code. [4:35:18, 4:35:38]: So in order to do that, you would be only approving for them to have the seven units to the acre that they're asking for, or you can uh adjust it from there. But you deal with the rezoning and the conditions with the next item. But right now, currently, our future land use map in that area is for hydrogen. [4:35:38, 4:35:54]: It's for low density residential. But the property next to it is a PUD, which gives it a little bit higher density, not quite seven units to the acre, but that is what was um proposed and it's up to the council to determine if that's appropriate or not. [4:35:55, 4:35:55]: Well [4:35:56, 4:35:58]: Mayor, can I keep going? Go ahead, please. [4:35:58, 4:36:00]: So why [4:36:05, 4:36:08]: Can you repeat what you just said to me one more time? [4:36:08, 4:36:17]: Which which part? The part in regard to no, not that I didn't understand. I'm more concerned and confused about why we're just getting [4:36:17, 4:36:19]: The information in regards to [4:36:21, 4:36:24]: Um, or maybe I didn't hear it at first. [4:36:25, 4:36:26]: That this [4:36:28, 4:36:31]: is in regards to the comprehensive plan. [4:36:33, 4:36:34]: And that [4:36:35, 4:36:38]: I thought maybe the future [4:36:39, 4:36:59]: Land use map that we've recently approved is the reason why we're here that it it fall it fell in line with it. It was and you're saying that we have a plan, a PUD nearby it, but it doesn't have as much density as this one. So d the the plan our [4:36:58, 4:37:18]: future plan and our comprehensive plan, neither one of these say, oh hey, wait, we were planning on doing high density in this area anyway. Is that what you're saying to me? What I'm saying to you is that based on our comp plan, we have not updated it in since 2018. We're going through a formalized process outside of these [4:37:18, 4:37:38]: the applicants. What about our future land use? The few it's all the same. The comprehensive land use plan and the map are married together. Okay. So what we're suggesting is that the property be re that the amendment go forward if you guys want to have it go forward based upon [4:37:38, 4:37:48]: the use and that it's similar to a PUD, we're starting to see that area change to a more low density to actual higher mid density property. [4:37:48, 4:38:08]: Now our proposed future land use w what was it that we just recently approved stating w w wait minute. The UDC. Unified Development Code. The zoning map. Our Unified Development Code. Our unified development code was was approved in twenty [4:38:08, 4:38:22]: twenty two and twenty two and what did that show in regards to this in in regards to w what this area would be It doesn't. It doesn't. It does the future land use map shows that. Okay. So it's what could be built in the future. [4:38:22, 4:38:42]: All right. And where are we with this right now? We haven't kind of established what that was gonna look like in this area. Well we're going through the formalized process now. Currently it's showing is low density residential. But due to the change in the density in that area, staff thought it would be appropriate to have they based on the number of units the [4:38:42, 4:39:02]: that number of of density for that property in conjunction with the overall project. Okay, so the UDC, what exactly does it show at all in general? The UDC we we don't have that in the area because we weren't they they just recently annexed in, is that what you're saying? Or is it the the road right [4:39:02, 4:39:05]: right next to it, whatever was in the city limits at the time. [4:39:06, 4:39:08]: In that area, what is it showing? [4:39:08, 4:39:16]: Uh I believe it's showing it's still low density residential. So this would be um high density. Even in in twenty twenty two. Was that our proposal? [4:39:18, 4:39:30]: I propose in twenty twenty two for UDC in the area right next to it that was in that's in the city limits of Stockbridge. So there are I just wanna kinda separate the documents. [4:39:34, 4:39:45]: Good night, Mayor Council. Um, Miss Gantt, so this piece of property came in the city in twenty twenty three. Yes. So it was not included in our zoning map. [4:39:46, 4:39:56]: at the time. The map has to be adjusted based on the current zoning of the property that came from the county. So when any time you annex property into a location, it has to be zoned. [4:39:56, 4:40:16]: I understand. And it has to be light zone, so that's what it is. The future line use map. What about the PUD that or that was next door that was in the city limits? What was it? What is the UDC saying about that? There's a PUD that's just directly west of it. Um what is our UDC saying about that? It doesn't. It all of these properties came into the city as a result. [4:40:16, 4:40:25]: of the annexation. And so we look at them parcel by parcel. Okay. I gotcha. All right. I just wanted to make sure we weren't okay. Thank you. [4:40:29, 4:40:31]: To approve the recommendation by the staff. [4:40:32, 4:40:33]: Is there a second to the motion? [4:40:36, 4:40:38]: Is there a second to the motion? [4:40:41, 4:40:48]: All right, no second. That means the motion dies and this uh I would imagine no more disc discussion. Yes, sir. [4:40:50, 4:40:53]: Um, therefore. [4:40:55, 4:40:57]: Go ahead. [4:40:59, 4:41:16]: We'll we'll have another item where where the applicant will be able to speak. Okay. Since the the vote has already took taken place. The vote didn't take place. There was no vote. There's there's no action taken thus far. The action that means that it's still alive and vote. What one second, sir. Mayor Ford. [4:41:16, 4:41:17]: Yeah, uh yes, Ms. Barber. [4:41:17, 4:41:22]: I'd like to make a motion to deny the comp plan amendment. [4:41:23, 4:41:24]: Gives there a second to the motion. [4:41:26, 4:41:28]: Is it a second to the motion? [4:41:30, 4:41:33]: There is no second to this motion. It also dies. [4:41:35, 4:41:38]: All right, now, Mr Blount, you had you were in my ear. You had something, sir? [4:41:39, 4:41:40]: I'm looking at um [4:41:42, 4:41:47]: What's the point of order? Okay. Uh mister Washington. What's the point of order, sir? [4:41:49, 4:41:51]: What is the problem? [4:41:53, 4:42:00]: If there's not been a vote yes or no on it, then counsel has not made a decision on this matter. [4:42:01, 4:42:08]: Both motions to approve and motions to deny have not been seconded. So it's no it's it's just stalemate. I guess it's just it's just hanging out there. [4:42:08, 4:42:20]: It it has to be a a final vote on up or down, or it just stays out there. It'll come it'll k stay out there in a in uh per perpetuity until somebody decides. Right. [4:42:20, 4:42:34]: I'm trying to understand what is it that what is the hesitancy. Mr. Elizabeth was talking. Go ahead, Mr. Alzheimer. What what I mean, so I wanna understand so we can go either way. What is it that that is the desire of the council? What is the issue? [4:42:36, 4:42:52]: Well, my issue is that if we approve the comprehensive plan, even though we haven't rezoned it for a particular thing, it's basically saying this is our plan in the future that this particular area would be high density. And I'm not certain [4:42:52, 4:43:03]: Whether or not with infrastructure, whether or not we have certain things in place for it to be zoned as high density. Us saying this would say in future land use map and comprehensive without [4:43:04, 4:43:17]: hearing I I mean, there's a recommendation from staff and there's a recommendation from planning commission approval with certain conditions. So that kinda leans me towards approving it. Mm but at the same time [4:43:19, 4:43:26]: I wanna look at the totality of where w uh of the vicinity in general. Because once I approve this comprehensive plan amendment. [4:43:27, 4:43:31]: Even though we're working on a new updated one, so to speak. [4:43:32, 4:43:52]: it falls right in line with us approving rezoning for that area to that high density. Not saying that we should or shouldn't, but I'm also looking at the PUD. The PUD is a little less in acres of of uh allowing for less, right? There's not seven point eight six four units per acre. [4:43:51, 4:44:11]: And so there's there might be, you know, a little bit lower from what I'm heard, there's a little bit lower density around in that vicinity. Now I do have some concerns. We are growing, and there's a need for housing. Certainly. There's a need for affordable housing. Affordable doesn't mean projects. [4:44:11, 4:44:29]: Supportable means educators, teachers, our blue collar, our police officers can have somewhere to live within our community. That's what this is. No, that's what I'm saying. I I'm I'm for supporting our community in that way, but I want to be smart about it. [4:44:30, 4:44:33]: And I want to make sure that I'm doing the right thing. [4:44:34, 4:44:36]: I'm not for or against [4:44:36, 4:44:49]: But I wanna make sure that once I vote on this, I'm saying, you know what? High density is a good idea. It will go there. And the reason why I'm looking at it also is because of the close vicinity it is to our downtown. [4:44:49, 4:44:52]: Our downtown is a live, work and play environment. [4:44:53, 4:44:54]: It's coming to that. [4:44:54, 4:44:58]: Where we want certain high density areas. We do. [4:44:59, 4:45:01]: We do. We want that. [4:45:01, 4:45:07]: Because we're trying to build a very nice downtown. Avalon had to do it. [4:45:08, 4:45:14]: Atlantic station had to do it. There are certain areas and certain things that we have looked at. [4:45:14, 4:45:25]: For our future in the past, since 20 before I was here, 2012 and beyond twenty seven, before I was even here, this mayor and council had plans for. [4:45:25, 4:45:36]: So I'm looking and thinking about all of that, but I wanna make sure that we're doing it in the right area. That's all. [4:45:37, 4:45:41]: Yeah, Mayor, if I could Mayor Ford. It's back to Miss Barber here. [4:45:43, 4:45:52]: Um I recognize that every area of land that is undeveloped, at some point it is gonna be developed. [4:45:54, 4:45:56]: I'm thinking about what is best use. [4:45:58, 4:45:59]: In this specific area. [4:46:00, 4:46:09]: This specific area is not included, or let me ask you, Ms. Carter, is this area included in our redevelopment plan? [4:46:11, 4:46:15]: I do not believe this is part of our urban development. Mr. Gardner. [4:46:16, 4:46:16]: Yeah. [4:46:17, 4:46:20]: It is not included in our redevelopment plan. [4:46:23, 4:46:30]: Our redevelopment plan includes all of the areas um in the downtown area in which we want to build. [4:46:30, 4:46:32]: A vibrant downtown. By the way, [4:46:32, 4:46:36]: All of that area, downtown, this area north of the city. [4:46:37, 4:46:40]: Farthest east of the city, I represent the area. [4:46:41, 4:46:42]: So you would think. [4:46:42, 4:46:44]: That my councilmates would consider [4:46:44, 4:46:45]: What I think [4:46:46, 4:46:47]: But they're not. [4:46:47, 4:46:52]: So I think I need to just sit here and allow them to just discuss it amongst each other. [4:46:52, 4:46:54]: Because they're gonna make this decision. [4:46:54, 4:46:56]: Веде орна супорти орна. [4:46:57, 4:46:59]: But I at least want to get for the record. [4:47:00, 4:47:03]: The concerns of the residents who live there. [4:47:04, 4:47:11]: I've had a number of conversations with Pastor Nation. He's not considering anything that I'm saying because [4:47:11, 4:47:13]: He's spoken with them. [4:47:13, 4:47:15]: He doesn't need my support. [4:47:16, 4:47:19]: I am really concerned with high density. [4:47:20, 4:47:26]: in this particular area. It would be different if it was proposed for State Route forty two. [4:47:27, 4:47:32]: But it's right next to a subdivision, an established subdivision. [4:47:32, 4:47:48]: Can you tell me, do you know right off, Miss Carter, is that subdivision Valley Hill Station, is it a medium density subdivision? I can get you an exact see if I can get you an exact um density. But the lots as you can see it are [4:47:49, 4:47:51]: fairly small. Um [4:47:52, 4:48:01]: And I don't know if if you have that offhand, uh Ryan, what the density is for this particular uh subdivision. Come come to my uh Ryan, please. If you might okay. [4:48:02, 4:48:03]: What's that using by? [4:48:04, 4:48:05]: Sweet. [4:48:08, 4:48:10]: This one versus that one. [4:48:14, 4:48:18]: It's D and D. Um it's five point. [4:48:28, 4:48:29]: Yes, [4:48:30, 4:48:37]: This one at the end. This is five point seven. Five point four side. [4:48:41, 4:48:44]: Things like there won't be anybody's own name. [4:48:49, 4:48:53]: Right. Correct. [4:48:54, 4:48:57]: Oh yeah, it's uh five different [4:48:59, 4:49:19]: So the the current density of the project, you know, let me try to get to the map, is five point nine seven. So it's just under six units to the acre. And I think I mentioned to you all before our comprehensive plan has this a discrepancy. That's why we're going through an update process now to [4:49:19, 4:49:22]: make a distinction, a cutoff for [4:49:23, 4:49:43]: z zero to three units to the acre and then it jumps to like three point six to six units of the acre and anything above six units to the acre is considered high density. But looking overall the city, that's just not the I don't think that's the intent to have high density start at six units to the acre. Um [4:49:43, 4:50:02]: So so yes, we looked at the kind of the evolution of the community, what zoning is already in place just west of this uh subdivision is commercial and of course uh North Henry Boulevard or Highway 42. And that's those are things we consider. Um back to my question. Ms. Carter. [4:50:02, 4:50:05]: Um so for medium density. [4:50:06, 4:50:19]: How many units would that be? Right now it's up to three point six units to the acre. And then it jumps. There's a gap. That's the discrepancy that we have in our current code and is which is why we're going through a full process to correct that. [4:50:19, 4:50:20]: Okay. [4:50:20, 4:50:40]: What's the um tell me the gap again um from the three point six to So you have three point um six and then it goes I think it's three point two to three point six and that's the end of medium density. And then it jumps right to six units of the acre. So there's no in between I I [4:50:40, 4:50:50]: it may have been a lost number um in twenty eighteen when this w came about to begin with. Okay. So one of the other concerns, which is the next item [4:50:50, 4:50:52]: is for the exception. [4:50:52, 4:50:58]: that they're asking the variance of twenty-five feet. I don't support the variance. I know that's the next item. [4:50:58, 4:51:05]: But um why this particular item, the comp plan amendment case, is important. [4:51:06, 4:51:09]: I don't support the twenty five feet setbag. [4:51:10, 4:51:15]: Mm. In fact, not only I know Councilman Alexander is asking [4:51:16, 4:51:18]: adding a pull as a condition. [4:51:19, 4:51:23]: But we need a clubhouse as well, a meeting space. [4:51:23, 4:51:36]: That'd be in the next section. In meeting space. That'd be that we'll address that. We'll address it in the next section if that's the case. No. We Okay. So with adding those additional amenities, it's going to take away [4:51:37, 4:51:39]: Space for them to build. [4:51:40, 4:51:41]: Which m [4:51:41, 4:51:44]: He won't have enough room to be a [4:51:45, 4:51:48]: Fifty six units. This high density. [4:51:49, 4:51:50]: I don't support. [4:51:50, 4:51:51]: Fifty six. [4:51:51, 4:51:53]: Eunas there. [4:51:53, 4:51:55]: Because there's not enough parking. [4:51:56, 4:51:58]: Based on the rendering that he showed. [4:51:59, 4:52:02]: There's only two cars that can fit in the driveway. [4:52:02, 4:52:05]: In two cars that can fit in the garage. [4:52:06, 4:52:09]: If he's only building three and four [4:52:10, 4:52:12]: Bedroom units. That's a family. [4:52:13, 4:52:16]: А фамилии о фор адос. [4:52:17, 4:52:18]: They will have guests. [4:52:19, 4:52:21]: Those guests, the additional parking [4:52:22, 4:52:26]: He mentioned the additional parking would be in the church parking lot. [4:52:26, 4:52:30]: So their guests will have to walk from the church parking lot. [4:52:31, 4:52:32]: To wherever they're visiting. [4:52:33, 4:52:37]: There won't be any room in the driveway for them to park. [4:52:37, 4:52:41]: I don't support this high density. I support lowering the density. [4:52:42, 4:52:46]: To medium, um whether it's um forty units or less. [4:52:47, 4:52:52]: All right. That's just my opinion. All right. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. Mr. Alexander, I believe you are next. [4:52:53, 4:53:13]: Let me just say this, okay. We we we Monarch Village has nine hundred homes in it. My subdivision has three hundred and something. Right now we're talking about fifty-six homes on this particular road. And uh in the end it's like it's gonna be up to the council. What are we gonna do? I mean, it's you know, we had these residents in here all day. [4:53:13, 4:53:33]: What are we going to do? I mean at this point we gotta make a decision on whether we're gonna go forward or not. It's uh up to the council to decide, as they said. The staff has already indicated this um the density rating should have been changed. I don't know what's taking so long. Should have been done by now, but we keep every hearing [4:53:33, 4:53:43]: It says the same thing. Our density is off. So I'm just the council's gonna have to make a decision on what we have right now. Mr. Nate Mr. Nason, go ahead, please, sir. [4:53:44, 4:54:04]: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um I just want to insert uh council members, Mr. Mayor, uh to take in strong consideration our request. Uh first and foremost, um we were not aware of these conditions when we were proceeding. Secondly, uh precedence has been [4:54:03, 4:54:20]: established in this district, which allows for town homes to be built, much larger numbers than what we're requesting. In addition, we are ensuring that we are putting in additional parking space in that community. [4:54:20, 4:54:24]: А ту інша толавфор гес парки. [4:54:24, 4:54:25]: And then lastly [4:54:25, 4:54:32]: Should the council decide against this uh this uh matter that is before you [4:54:33, 4:54:39]: It certainly will prejudice our overall project because what in essence would have happened is that the council [4:54:39, 4:54:43]: Would have shown uh preference towards a much larger project. [4:54:44, 4:54:57]: and then uh show some d uh uh deference a difference towards our project. I'll only ask the council to consider that should this be voted down, it certainly would put to rest our entire project. [4:54:57, 4:55:02]: And that therefore would put us right back into the same position we're in. [4:55:02, 4:55:08]: We're having to rent in a space that we don't know how long it's gonna take us before the city. [4:55:08, 4:55:15]: tells us we can no longer be there. At some point we're gonna have to build, but at this junction, we wouldn't have come this far. [4:55:15, 4:55:19]: Іф Плнер комісінерс динателлас та вигада Ливей. [4:55:20, 4:55:32]: We wish we'd have heard of that much early on, but I'm not laying any fault at anyone's feet, but I'm just saying that at this junction, I'd ask the counselor to strongly recommend our approval to allow us to go forward. [4:55:32, 4:55:52]: Listen, Bishop, I want to let Bishop I want to let you know. I I don't think you and I have ever met before. No, sir. No, yes. So otherwise, uh otherwise, uh this is the first time you and I met, at least for me in this aspect. So I just wanted that that to be known. Uh Mr. Blount, please. Mr. Mayor, may I say something? Go ahead, I'm sorry. Uh it was mentioned that I did talk to other members. [4:55:52, 4:55:58]: members. I I felt it was appropriate since I spoke to my um [4:55:58, 4:56:00]: My representative. [4:56:00, 4:56:10]: My intentions were, I wanted to learn what are your concerns? Right. I reached out, what are your concerns that you have that we can address? [4:56:10, 4:56:15]: If we can address it early enough, okay, but uh I did not talk to everyone. [4:56:15, 4:56:32]: I think I only spoke to maybe one or two and uh basically I listened, they listened, they made it quite clear that they can only listen and not offer any opinion. And what they had stated to me was basically what their concerns were in their district. [4:56:33, 4:56:36]: And that's that's all I can say on this point. Mr Blount, please. [4:56:36, 4:56:42]: Uh, Mayor, one of the things and I haven't been saying anything because one of the things I'm trying to do is be [4:56:42, 4:56:45]: Uh non bias as a licensed ordained minister. [4:56:46, 4:56:51]: I don't want to show any bias to this whole situation, so I sit back and I listen. [4:56:53, 4:56:54]: And once again [4:56:55, 4:56:59]: The district represent w first of all, let me correct something. [4:57:00, 4:57:07]: I've never talked to you before. No, sir. You and I have never talked. So to say that he's talked to all of us, it's not true. [4:57:08, 4:57:14]: But once again I sit here and I listen to compromise come from District Four. [4:57:15, 4:57:16]: Can you reduce it again? [4:57:17, 4:57:19]: Can you put a clubhouse in? [4:57:20, 4:57:21]: These are [4:57:21, 4:57:26]: We're voting if we vote on this. This is not the compromise phase. [4:57:26, 4:57:30]: But once again, there's a compromise for the developer. [4:57:31, 4:57:33]: Either for a project or you're not. [4:57:34, 4:57:38]: And I'm trying to let district four take the lead on this. [4:57:38, 4:57:44]: But district four is putting something before me saying there's a compromise. [4:57:44, 4:57:46]: To accept this project. [4:57:47, 4:58:05]: And that's where I'm at. Right now, if there's a compromise, then we need to move this forward and let them compromise whatever it is. Because you can't sit here and say one thing, I'm not for it, I'm not for it. But then you say, Well, hey, can you reduce it again? Can you put a clubhouse there? [4:58:06, 4:58:07]: What are you saying? [4:58:09, 4:58:11]: That's the kind of games I told you I'm not playing up here. [4:58:13, 4:58:14]: Mayor Ford. [4:58:15, 4:58:15]: Yes, ma'am. [4:58:16, 4:58:18]: Okay, to answer Councilman Blount. [4:58:19, 4:58:22]: All of these кондичs. [4:58:22, 4:58:26]: are things that I discuss with Pastor Nation. [4:58:27, 4:58:28]: prior to this meeting. [4:58:29, 4:58:30]: All these residents here. [4:58:31, 4:58:34]: I told them that Pastor Nation. [4:58:35, 4:58:37]: He wasn't willing to compromise on any of it. [4:58:38, 4:58:38]: None of it. [4:58:39, 4:58:41]: It wasn't until this meeting [4:58:42, 4:58:44]: Until right now. [4:58:44, 4:58:55]: that I'm hearing for the first time that they're willing to do a pool and clubhouse. In fact, the last time I spoke with Pastor Nation, I asked him if he would [4:58:55, 4:58:56]: We'll draw. [4:58:56, 4:59:02]: Or delay presenting his proposal so that we can begin continue. [4:59:02, 4:59:06]: our conversations in regards to this proposed development. [4:59:06, 4:59:11]: He told me he will rely on the rest of the council. [4:59:11, 4:59:15]: At that point it let me know he'd been talking with them. [4:59:15, 4:59:17]: He knows he only needs three votes. [4:59:18, 4:59:19]: He doesn't eat mine. [4:59:20, 4:59:21]: He doesn't need mine. [4:59:21, 4:59:24]: I would hope that you would want to work with me. [4:59:25, 4:59:29]: Work with me because I represent all of these people who showed up here today. [4:59:29, 4:59:33]: They have concerns that I have a responsibility of d addressing. [4:59:34, 4:59:36]: The safety concerns. I address that. [4:59:38, 4:59:51]: Not just a pool in the clubhouse. I addressed the high density as well. I asked about single family detached homes. I believe it's more suitable for the area. They're not willing to do that. [4:59:53, 4:59:55]: They want townhomes instead. [4:59:55, 4:59:57]: So I don't know what more I could do. [4:59:58, 5:00:03]: Other than not to vote on this, not to support it, and ask my councilmates not to support it either. [5:00:04, 5:00:07]: I would suggest that mister Nation [5:00:07, 5:00:08]: And the developer. [5:00:10, 5:00:17]: Continue the discussions with me and the community on what they would like to see in this community. That's all. [5:00:18, 5:00:30]: Mayor. Yeah, go ahead, sir. I hope the council we had plenty of discussion. It's ten thirty. We've been going through this back and forth. I think we just really need to make a decision at this point. [5:00:30, 5:00:50]: I'm gonna once again make a mo make the exact same motion that I made earlier that the clerk has. We certainly will look at some the amenities again, as you have said. You have some concerns about that. So I would make a motion to move forward with this uh comp plan amendment because the staff has [5:00:50, 5:00:57]: Indicated to us earlier that there's a gap that needs to be adjusted in the comprehensive plan. [5:00:59, 5:01:00]: Is there a second to the motion? [5:01:02, 5:01:04]: Is there a second to the motion? [5:01:05, 5:01:08]: Mayor, I'm sorry. I want a second, but I wanted to [5:01:09, 5:01:23]: improve uh uh I mean I want the recommendation approval with staff's conditions plus the added one condition the applicant hold whatever they said in the community. But if we already done it as right, including staff recommendation as described by Miss Gantt. [5:01:25, 5:01:32]: Okay, so that do you uh uh there's a second? I second. Okay. And I would say, uh, Madam Clerk, you have all that written down properly? [5:01:39, 5:01:40]: It's so uh [5:01:40, 5:01:41]: Okay, we'll scratch it. [5:01:42, 5:01:45]: Just second. That's correct. That's correct. [5:01:48, 5:02:05]: I want to make the motion and then uh to approve what staff has recommended uh with the with the because we're only voting on the uh comp plan amendment. Correct. Is there a second to the motion? I second that. Okay. Now we've done on plenty of discussion. All favor of the motion, please indicate. [5:02:06, 5:02:26]: Okay, all opposed. Okay, four one motion passed. We'll go on to the next item. Four one, the motion passes. All right. Rezoning cases RZ two zero two three-zero one, council district four. Consation consideration of a request of rezoning to assign NFR, uh, multifamily residential zoning district two. [5:02:26, 5:02:46]: Parcel twenty zero two nine-010901 on Valley Hill Road to allow for construction of the town hall development. The applicant of Victory's uh worship center, represented by Keith G. Nation, the property located on Lion Lot 103 of District 12, and it can it contains seven uh [5:02:46, 5:03:06]: Um seven point eight four uh excuse me, seven point eight six four acres within the Stockbridge City limits. The Planning Commission recommended approval with the staff's conditions, plus they added one condition that the applicant hold community meetings prior to twelfth of June, council meeting, and the applicant held that meeting on Monday, June fifth. And [5:03:06, 5:03:09]: Mm-hmm. [5:03:10, 5:03:26]: Yes, so this item is for the rezoning case for the fifty-six townhomes on seven point eight six acres. Um the recommendation as was stated by the mayor was approved by uh recommended recommended for approval by staff and by the planning commission. [5:03:28, 5:03:28]: Okay. [5:03:29, 5:03:30]: Counseling questions. [5:03:32, 5:03:36]: I would imagine we probably had enough, but anyway. A questions? [5:03:38, 5:03:41]: Okay. Then if no questions, council, I need a motion. [5:03:41, 5:03:45]: It's a public hearing. We would need to open it up. [5:03:46, 5:03:50]: Okay, let's blame it on the time. What time is it? Ten thirty four. All right. [5:03:51, 5:03:54]: Oh public hearing. All right. So we'll start on my left side, my very left side. [5:03:55, 5:04:00]: Uh uh any comments for for this? Any comments for on my left side? [5:04:01, 5:04:02]: Any comments four in the middle? [5:04:03, 5:04:05]: Any comments for on my right side. [5:04:07, 5:04:26]: Seeing none. Any comments against this on my left side? Any comments against this in the middle? Please line up on this on my left side, please. Any comments in the middle? Any comments on the right against this proposal? All right. So it seems like we have two gentlemen. All right. Three minutes to get. [5:04:27, 5:04:28]: I'm sorry. [5:04:32, 5:04:35]: A sorry clerk? Okay. [5:04:43, 5:04:45]: Okay, name and address please. [5:04:47, 5:05:07]: Randall Eck, four hundred thirteen Cannonball Court, Stockbridge, Georgia, Valley Hill Station Subdivision. Against the rezoning efforts on this property, again, we do not need high density residential area next to our subdivision, which is all [5:05:07, 5:05:15]: Currently, single-family homes. We've seen the possibility of. [5:05:16, 5:05:23]: You could have multiple fam if you have a s if it's a supposed to be a single family townhouse. [5:05:24, 5:05:27]: And you have a four bedroom home. [5:05:28, 5:05:35]: What is going to prevent somebody from moving in three additional families? [5:05:35, 5:05:55]: You've now you you've used up your four bedrooms, but you've got more than a single family in the unit. Uh that is going over and above what is slated as the density. Um again, the high density of rezoning for this area. [5:05:55, 5:06:00]: There's too many concerns for this to go forward. Thank you. [5:06:01, 5:06:05]: Thank you, sir. Next, sir, please. Name and address. [5:06:06, 5:06:07]: Three minutes, right? [5:06:07, 5:06:08]: Uh [5:06:09, 5:06:18]: When we did the Zoom call, we talked Sorry, did you do the name and address, sir? Sir? Name and address, please. Oh, Remy King one twelve Valley Dale Drive for now. Stop breach three oh two eight one. [5:06:18, 5:06:22]: When we did the Zoom call, we talked about the homeowners association. [5:06:22, 5:06:23]: The park. [5:06:23, 5:06:25]: The picnic table. [5:06:25, 5:06:29]: Uh the gazebo, we ask about a townhouse, a swimming pool. [5:06:31, 5:06:33]: The developer. We don't have room. [5:06:33, 5:06:34]: For a poo. [5:06:34, 5:06:36]: We don't have room. [5:06:36, 5:06:40]: for a a clubhouse. We don't have room for another. [5:06:41, 5:06:41]: Park. [5:06:42, 5:06:46]: We don't have room because of the number of townhomes they're putting in there. [5:06:47, 5:06:54]: Now they're gonna have a park, they're gonna have a clubhouse, they're gonna have a pool, another walking trail. [5:06:54, 5:06:58]: And who knows what else they're gonna wanna give away to get you guys to approve it. [5:06:58, 5:06:59]: So [5:07:00, 5:07:01]: Where are they gonna put the town homes? [5:07:02, 5:07:05]: Where they gonna put this pool? Where are they gonna put the town home? [5:07:05, 5:07:07]: I mean the pool, the clubhouse. Where they gonna put all this? [5:07:08, 5:07:11]: During the Zoom call they couldn't do it because there wasn't enough room. [5:07:11, 5:07:12]: So [5:07:13, 5:07:14]: It's a moot point now. [5:07:15, 5:07:16]: You can only get so much [5:07:17, 5:07:18]: Stuff in an area. [5:07:19, 5:07:25]: And it doesn't seem like there's gonna be enough room for all the stuff they done volunteered to give away tonight. In the Zoom call. [5:07:26, 5:07:27]: We talked about that. [5:07:28, 5:07:33]: And we couldn't get a answer from'em. And then when they gave us the answer, it is totally, absolutely different. [5:07:35, 5:07:36]: From what they're saying tonight. [5:07:37, 5:07:38]: There was no compromise. [5:07:42, 5:07:42]: It [5:07:44, 5:07:48]: Well, I'm sure y'all are gonna give him twenty or thirty minutes to get up here and talk, so I'm through with it. Thank you. Thank you. [5:07:49, 5:07:50]: Come on, man. [5:07:52, 5:07:53]: The name and address, please. [5:07:54, 5:08:00]: Jennifer Etheridge, four twelve Cannonball Court, Startbridge, Georgia. I just want to say again that [5:08:00, 5:08:03]: А фінк диспроєкт із врон і що напас. [5:08:04, 5:08:08]: Um, I want to say thank you so much for our district four representative for. [5:08:08, 5:08:11]: being there for us and explaining everything to us. [5:08:12, 5:08:13]: I hope I'm wrong. [5:08:14, 5:08:14]: But [5:08:15, 5:08:19]: I just do not see that this development will be a positive. [5:08:19, 5:08:31]: for our county and for this city. I've only been a resident of the city for about five months now and I'm so disappointed in what I've already experienced. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. [5:08:31, 5:08:36]: Uh Miss Um Carter, may you come back to the podium please? [5:08:39, 5:08:54]: And as she comes back, counselor, any other questions, concerns you may have for her? Oh but I'm uh by the way, cl uh public hearing is closed. I'm sorry, public hearing is now closed. Um any questions or c other concerns you may have for Miss Barber uh Miss uh Carter before I ask for a [5:08:55, 5:08:55]: Motion. [5:08:56, 5:09:00]: Yes. Um Miss Carter, can you confirm what is it? [5:09:01, 5:09:05]: What variance is it that the applicant is seeking? Is it thirty feet or twenty-five feet? [5:09:06, 5:09:13]: Uh it's twenty five feet. Uh that's the next item. That's the variance. The next item? Yes, ma'am. Okay, thank you. [5:09:13, 5:09:18]: So if there are no other questions for Miss Carter, I need a motion to accept this rezoning case. [5:09:23, 5:09:41]: Ms. Clerk, you have uh captured uh the previous the previous um conditions uh that I made along with the conditions that were made by staff and as outlined miss by Miss Gantt as well. [5:09:47, 5:10:01]: We're gonna we're gonna well since I think uh the developer made a strong argument. Uh certainly I would like m mu most every development would have a pool Mr Nation and the developer need to come back attached to it. [5:10:02, 5:10:04]: But under these circumstances, um [5:10:05, 5:10:15]: Uh we uh there's been that there there would be a a burden with so few units under fifty. So we'll move remove the requirement for the pool. [5:10:18, 5:10:18]: Yes. [5:10:29, 5:10:30]: Ten foot path. [5:10:35, 5:10:41]: On the frontage, right. Along the entire frontage. Yeah. Along the entire frontage. [5:10:48, 5:10:50]: You got the ten percent rental cap there, correct? [5:10:54, 5:11:05]: Right. Those are all the conditions then we just we just took the pool out, correct? In addition to staff recommendation. In addition to staff's recommendation. And then I think you had read something, Miss Ken, as well. [5:11:05, 5:11:20]: Um no, well that was it, the staff recommendations. That's recommendations. Staff staff conditions. Okay the other part had already been met, the meeting on June twelfth. Okay. I mean the June fifth. Thank you so much. We got everything you so that's my motion. [5:11:21, 5:11:23]: All right. So seconds and a motion. [5:11:25, 5:11:29]: A second. Okay, Miss Gantt seconds that. All flavor please indicate. [5:11:31, 5:11:34]: Opposed. Four one. Motion passed. [5:11:38, 5:11:58]: All right. And on to the variance case. RV two zero two three-01 Council District 4. Consideration of a request for a variance of Parcel 029-01009001 on Valley Consider Valley Hill. Consideration of the request. [5:11:58, 5:12:18]: Request for the variance, so I'm on Ford, Valley Hill Road, excuse me. My eyes are going crazy now. To to allow for the construction of a town home development. The purpose of the variance is to allow the reduction in the frontiers yard setbacks from required 50 feet to 25 feet in the MFR Multifamily Residential Zoning District. [5:12:18, 5:12:38]: The property is located in land lot 103 of District 12 and it contains 7.864 acres within the city limits stop bridge. And the Planning Commission recommended approval with the staff's conditions, plus they added one condition that the applicant hold a public meeting prior to the 12 June council meeting. [5:12:38, 5:12:38]: Okay. [5:12:39, 5:12:45]: And uh the applicant up upheld that meeting uh on that held that meeting on Monday, June fifth. [5:12:45, 5:12:47]: Uh Ms. Carter, please. [5:12:47, 5:13:07]: Yes, this is uh the variance item to accompany the uh previous um two items um for a reduction in the front yard setback from fifty feet to twenty-five feet uh for the multifamily uh buildings. And as you can see from the uh diagram, um they're they're [5:13:07, 5:13:13]: They're proposing their pond to be their retention pond to be right abutting val Valley Hill Road. [5:13:13, 5:13:20]: Um so yes the staff has recommended approval along with the recommendation from the planning commission for approval. [5:13:20, 5:13:37]: Mayor. Yep. I can't approve that. I'm sorry. And that me if that means reducing the amount of houses and units, so be it. Um I've seen examples. Even the picture that was shown, I don't care if it was twenty feet, five feet more wouldn't made a big difference. [5:13:37, 5:13:40]: In that driveway. It's not a shared driveway, by the way. [5:13:40, 5:13:44]: Right. It it's just a driveway for that particular [5:13:44, 5:14:00]: th to go into that garage. Two car two car garage. But when you consider a family of three to four bedrooms, townhomes, you want more space. And that being twenty five feet would be right at the end of that road. It'd be a short vi too short of a driveway for me. [5:14:01, 5:14:05]: And I couldn't agree with that. I have seen it at Broader Farms. I mean [5:14:05, 5:14:10]: And I don't agree w and and that's in the county, again, it's not in the city. I do not [5:14:10, 5:14:17]: agree with that at all. And so if that means that they can't get their fifty six units on that, so be it. [5:14:18, 5:14:22]: Бамна, а воно бин про дан. А кін ари. [5:14:23, 5:14:29]: to maybe less it a little bit from fifty feet, I could see, but you're talking about a three to four bedroom home. [5:14:30, 5:14:32]: So potential of four cars. [5:14:32, 5:14:42]: In a in a lot. Um I would I'm willing to do what what number is it? What? What number are you suggesting thirty seven? Um I'm willing to thirty five. Um thirty seven. [5:14:42, 5:14:45]: That's half of fifty. Twenty five. [5:14:45, 5:14:47]: I'm willing to do thirty seven feet. [5:14:48, 5:14:52]: Max minimum. And I I can't even say that. I could do maybe forty. [5:14:53, 5:15:10]: But I can't do uh maybe forty feet, but fifty is a no I mean a twenty-five is a no go for me. So whatever they need to do to build their project, so be it, but it's not gonna be with a twenty five foot driveway m for me on me. Okay. Mr. Thomas, please. Right. Um [5:15:10, 5:15:18]: W one of the problem that exists right now uh in subdivision is is parking on the street. [5:15:19, 5:15:23]: And my concern with any future development is to make sure [5:15:24, 5:15:34]: that we eliminate this particular problem, parking in the street. And from the rendering that I saw earlier, and I don't know what size car that was, but [5:15:34, 5:15:54]: um the nose of the car was pretty much in the street then. So I can imagine if you had a truck or whatever. And when you start talking about garages, a lot of homeowners they pack stuff in their garage. They did. And they don't even put the cars in. So I'm agree with Mrs. Gannon on that. That that's already gonna be a problem right there. And again [5:15:54, 5:15:59]: Let me just emphasize we're trying to get away from the issue of parking in the street. [5:16:00, 5:16:15]: We can't go back and do anything with the old subdivision and and we get this outcry all the time. But in a new development, I think we really have to address that in few and right now we have to address that and for future going forward. [5:16:16, 5:16:28]: Yeah, but I had a question. Go ahead, sir. Because when you go from if you go from fifty feet to I I'm I'm just gonna throw a number out. If you go from fifty feet to thirty feet. [5:16:30, 5:16:36]: You're still only gonna have enough room to put two cars in front of the garage and two cars in the garage. [5:16:36, 5:16:39]: Brothers thirty seven, brothers thirty. [5:16:40, 5:17:00]: And that and and the one that we saw was twenty feet. That's why that car was parked going toward the sidewalks. And this is why twenty-five people did more of a setback in the driveway. If you go from twenty five to thirty feet, it's still gonna be two cars in the driveway. And that's the way town my my daughter in the town. [5:17:00, 5:17:00]: [19020.8, 19040.8]: That's where town homes are. They got two, but to have a two-car garage, you're gonna have two cars in the garage and two cars in the driveway. And a thirty twenty-five to thirty feet setbacks is gonna allow you to do that because if you go forward, you're still gonna have two cars in the driveway, two cars in the garage. [5:17:20, 5:17:24]: Okay. [5:17:25, 5:17:40]: section was closed. We're now in the discussions with the governing body. I'll be very brief and I'm gonna let Mr. Fatima say something. And before you answer the question. Again, the reason why we had that presentation [5:17:40, 5:17:44]: Без видина в ван, со да індевої фіт. [5:17:45, 5:17:47]: But our proposal is for twenty five. [5:17:47, 5:17:48]: The longest [5:17:49, 5:17:52]: Car is about eighteen feet long. [5:17:52, 5:17:57]: And you can park a car in twenty five feet. The longest truck is about eighteen feet long. [5:17:58, 5:18:11]: As mentioned, uh we have adequate parking space added to what we currently have, increase. It says right here in our what we were trying to follow, it says here, um [5:18:11, 5:18:21]: The minimum front yard setback twenty-five feet. This is what we're going by. And not only that, there was an approval in the same district for twenty-five feet. [5:18:22, 5:18:27]: And thus I asked the council to consider the fact that precedence has been established. [5:18:28, 5:18:48]: And to go back on that precedent seems somewhat prejudicial towards our project. But I'm gonna let Mr. Fatimi uh he's willing to address the concerns of parking. I'm not sure if he's a developer, I'm not sure if he's willing to extend that, but I know that's gonna be a major problem. Step let him [5:18:48, 5:18:50]: [19131.2, 19147.0]: Yes, sir. Thank you, Mayor. Uh fifty feet as it is right now, you're talking about three or four cars lined up together, six cars, uh before in front of the garage. That's that's really too much. Just building a [5:19:07, 5:19:08]: Uh that much of a [5:19:09, 5:19:10]: конкрет [5:19:11, 5:19:12]: Час торс. [5:19:13, 5:19:15]: Іксед каст оделдин. [5:19:16, 5:19:18]: So that should be con considered. [5:19:18, 5:19:22]: Twenty five feet is a standard anywhere you go in city of Atlanta. [5:19:22, 5:19:37]: Actually to twenty feet is a standard, but twenty-five feet. We want to be in twenty-five feet because we want to put a five foot sidewalk, people can walk around it. That's why we we have it at twenty-five feet. But I'm willing to uh extend a little bit to twenty twenty-seven, twenty-eight feet. [5:19:38, 5:19:47]: Maximum so to we can not only people park but actually can walk around also. But twenty five feet is a standard anywhere in the city. [5:19:47, 5:19:49]: Ms. Barber, go ahead please. I'm sorry. [5:19:49, 5:19:53]: Um, I just wanna ask Pastor Nation and maybe he misspoke. [5:19:53, 5:19:56]: When he called me on Friday specifically [5:19:56, 5:19:59]: Specifically, you called me on Friday. [5:19:59, 5:20:03]: to let me know that the variance that you all are seeking was thirty feet. [5:20:05, 5:20:05]: Yeah. [5:20:05, 5:20:20]: May I clarify that? Yes, please. There was a little bit of confusion on my part. I didn't have my notes before me. What I stated at that particular time was that when the developer, and I was not present, what I was informed that the developer and the architect had a discussion. [5:20:20, 5:20:24]: What I understood is that the developer wanted twenty feet. [5:20:25, 5:20:27]: The architect wanted thirty feet. [5:20:28, 5:20:33]: Um, but there was a compromise, and when we learned that twenty five feet was approved. [5:20:34, 5:20:52]: Between these two gentlemen to decide, okay, if it's twenty-five feet, we'll go with twenty-five feet. But what I stated to you earlier, I thought that we were going to we had it agreed for 30 feet. I misspoke. What I really meant to say is that initially there was some consideration for 30 feet. [5:20:53, 5:21:02]: Only because there was some compromise the two gentlemen came together decided for twenty five feet. Okay, everybody else seems to be compromising, but nobody's compromising with me. [5:21:03, 5:21:05]: The representative of the area. [5:21:06, 5:21:10]: The voice of the people who live in the area. I will say it again. [5:21:10, 5:21:15]: You are only constructing three and four bedroom townhomes. [5:21:17, 5:21:20]: It would be different if these were one and two bedrooms. [5:21:21, 5:21:23]: And having the twenty five feet variance. [5:21:24, 5:21:26]: With one and two bedrooms. [5:21:27, 5:21:29]: But you're proposing three and four bedrooms. [5:21:30, 5:21:32]: That could be three or four adults. [5:21:34, 5:21:38]: And plus their guest is not adequate parking. [5:21:38, 5:21:40]: And I do not want. [5:21:41, 5:21:42]: A community. [5:21:42, 5:21:43]: Approved in [5:21:44, 5:21:48]: The district that I represent to have concerns with parking on the streets. [5:21:49, 5:21:50]: But this council [5:21:51, 5:21:52]: They've already set the precedence. [5:21:53, 5:22:04]: by approving the high density development on Davis Road. They're gonna do the same thing with this one, with a twenty five feet variance in which cars are gonna be parked on the street [5:22:04, 5:22:07]: Cars are gonna be parked in the driveway. [5:22:07, 5:22:09]: Blocking even the sidewalk. [5:22:09, 5:22:16]: I do not support a 25 feet variance. I don't support a 30 feet variance. This is a high density development. [5:22:17, 5:22:23]: In which you are pup Sir, we're in the middle of council discussions. Now the mayor has allowed you to speak, but [5:22:23, 5:22:26]: Let me finish my thoughts if you don't mind. [5:22:28, 5:22:30]: These are three and four bedroom townhomes. [5:22:31, 5:22:32]: Only [5:22:33, 5:22:38]: I do not support any twenty five feet variance, not even a thirty feet variance. [5:22:39, 5:22:42]: Not for this particular development. It's high density. [5:22:43, 5:22:44]: And [5:22:46, 5:22:46]: You haven't [5:22:47, 5:22:48]: Can you show again? [5:22:49, 5:22:52]: Um where the parking excess parking is. [5:22:52, 5:23:04]: And I'm not making anything up. He obviously every single issue that I tried to address with the pastor prior to our meetings, he has told me contrary. [5:23:05, 5:23:10]: Complete opposite. Now we get here and he is willing to compromise with everybody. [5:23:10, 5:23:13]: other than me. He's addressing everybody but me. [5:23:13, 5:23:26]: So I'm gonna ask him, can you identify uh where those extra parking spaces are for guests who are parking? Council member. If you can address where the parking spaces are. [5:23:26, 5:23:46]: For the the guests who'll be parking here. Yeah. Can't you please just identify where the additional parking spaces are? I'd guess parking. Council member, may I just say this please? Ryan, if it will be helpful. [5:23:46, 5:24:06]: That's all I want. Council member. No, sir. Let him all I want is for subject. Are you are you only willing to uh do thirty feet? Okay, may I say this for the first time? Make a motion. I'd like to make a motion. Call the question. Call the question. All right. Call the question. [5:24:06, 5:24:26]: That is a formal request to call the question. All right, understand. We can do that. This is what you call a second for somebody to call the question. Is there a motion to be made this time? Yes, I'd like to make a motion that we accept 30 feet for the second. Second. Okay, but they start mo the front to uh Mr. Alexander. All in favor of 30 feet, please indicate. All right. All opposed. [5:24:26, 5:24:33]: Okay, four one thirty feet it is. It is a public hearing. We did not open it up for public hearing. [5:24:33, 5:24:42]: Once again, three times tonight. All right. Good point. Thank you for keeping me straight. Public hearing. Yeah, I am considered. Yes, sir. Yes, ma'am. [5:24:42, 5:24:43]: Lord. [5:24:44, 5:24:45]: Screw me down. [5:24:46, 5:24:59]: Yeah, no no no it's gotta be notified. It's gotta be notified. I'm sorry. Any any questions any uh comments uh for uh the reduction here? Uh any comments for the reduction in my far left, in the middle. [5:25:01, 5:25:03]: Anything for reduction? [5:25:05, 5:25:06]: Here on my far right. [5:25:09, 5:25:14]: I s I the I the motion is what what it was the [5:25:17, 5:25:19]: For fifty feet, right. For fifty right. [5:25:19, 5:25:23]: The setback you are fifty feet to two twenty five feet. So otherwise [5:25:23, 5:25:30]: I gotta go through a public hearing proper hearing process. So [5:25:30, 5:25:43]: For to the mo to the mo so the public foot hearing once again, for on anybody on the left side, for the reduction from fifty feet to twenty five feet if you wanna speak for it. If you wanna speak to it on on the left on the very left side, in the middle. [5:25:44, 5:25:44]: Okay. [5:25:45, 5:25:48]: On the far right side, or anybody against the reduction. [5:25:49, 5:25:53]: Okay, up from for left side. My left side, in the middle. All right. [5:25:54, 5:26:14]: I'm off all right. Okay. Now, sir, please, if you if oh, please state your name and and address, please. You're gonna get used to me. Randall Eck, 413 Cannonball Court, Stockbridge, Georgia, right here in Valley Hill Station. I oppose the variance of did you say four? [5:26:13, 5:26:33]: Forty feet, sir? Yes, it's the the it says here fifty feet to twenty five is a but then you just have a no no you no this based on I'm sorry. It's based on this. Okay, based based upon the variance request to a twenty five foot uh setback. Totally against that. You've already seen in [5:26:33, 5:26:41]: supposed diagrams where cars are already sitting out beyond the sidewalk. [5:26:41, 5:27:01]: In Valley Hill Station, we're I think we're a 50-foot setback. I have a two-car garage, I have a two-car wide driveway, and in the driveway I can probably put six vehicles. These townhomes, if you reduce the setback. [5:27:01, 5:27:13]: You then if you have let's say you have four people in the house and you have four vehicles, now that you got two in the garage, two in the driveway. [5:27:13, 5:27:33]: Where are the guests going to be? They're going to be in the street. They should be off the street because that's going to be a safety concern for emergency vehicles and everything. So that you need to be able to keep those vehicles in the driveway. So keep the 50-foot setback, please. [5:27:33, 5:27:37]: Thank you. Thank you for the comments. All right. Public comments have now ended. [5:27:37, 5:27:45]: Yeah, for and against now ended. We ha got all that straight. Now I need a motion for the variance case. Um looking for a motion, please. [5:27:45, 5:27:47]: Two what is the motion? [5:27:48, 5:27:49]: Excuse me. [5:27:50, 5:27:53]: It doesn't right doesn't know the what was just. [5:27:54, 5:27:54]: Yeah. [5:27:55, 5:28:06]: Well Well w we well if well I need a I need a a motion one way to approve it or adjust it or whatever the case may be. We need to go [5:28:06, 5:28:11]: No, no, no, we we did it out of order. We we did it out of order. Mayor Ford, I'd like to make a motion. We do it. [5:28:11, 5:28:29]: What's your motion? My motion is to deny the applicant's request to um for the variance of twenty five feet. All right, is your second air this time I would ask because of the controversy that we have we make these motions that we rephrase most of it. We have positive points and we don't have that confusion about what the up or down vote is for. [5:28:30, 5:28:31]: All right. [5:28:32, 5:28:36]: That's fine, but she made a mo she made a motion. It may not get a second, so it may it may drop anyway. [5:28:37, 5:28:38]: But I understand your point. [5:28:39, 5:28:42]: So you made a motion to deny, is that correct? That's correct. Yes, sir. [5:28:43, 5:28:44]: Court of January Clarity. [5:28:49, 5:28:52]: A motion has is been made. Is there a second to the motion? [5:28:54, 5:28:55]: Is there a second to the motion? [5:28:57, 5:28:57]: Yes. [5:28:59, 5:29:02]: Okay, m no it's no s no seconds so the motion fails. I need another motion, please. [5:29:03, 5:29:16]: Yes, sir. I make a motion that we approve a thirty plus thirty foot setback uh on this variance instead of the twenty five as was approved as agreeable to the developer. Is that [5:29:16, 5:29:18]: All right, so second emotion. [5:29:19, 5:29:25]: I second. Ms. Ms. Gantt second. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. Okay, motion uh all opposed. [5:29:26, 5:29:29]: Okay, motion passed four to one. Fantastic. All right. [5:29:30, 5:29:47]: Uh Ms. Carter, thank you very much for keeping me straight. No worries. Okay, appreciate you. New business. Council consideration to approve economic development bricks, building a resilient, invalidated, invocated connected uh bridge uh star bridge. [5:29:48, 5:29:55]: This is the program guidelines. Funny source ARPA. Mr. Lawrence, please all day. [5:30:07, 5:30:08]: Yeah. [5:30:39, 5:30:41]: All right. Ms. Lance. [5:30:42, 5:30:47]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Good evening. Kim Alons, Director of Economic Development. [5:30:47, 5:30:50]: Ам дисвенні економік девелмент став. [5:30:52, 5:31:10]: is in front of you to discuss a number of initiatives that we're proposing uh for economic development. As always, I'd like to begin my presentation by talking about our vision, just to remember why we do what we do. Uh to be the most progressive business and family oriented community in Metro Atlanta. [5:31:11, 5:31:25]: My objective tonight is twofold. Uh first of all I would like to discuss where we are with some of the initiatives that we've been working on and at the same time ask for your consideration for approval for a number of programs that we're proposing. [5:31:28, 5:31:48]: As we all know, economic development marketing is a priority for our city, as identified in your council priorities. And we've been very strategic and collaborative in our effort to market the city. As such, we have hosted a brainstorming session with our partners, uh, with the Citywide Development Authority. [5:31:48, 5:32:08]: Downtown Development Authority, some key internal staff to discuss economic development for the city. As part of that effort, we're gonna be bringing to you within the next 90 days our uh proposed marketing campaign for the city. That would include digital marketing, advertising, tourism and publications. [5:32:11, 5:32:31]: Another key aspect of your uh priorities is making sure that we're implementing downtown development so that we can create a vibrant and viable downtown where people can leave work and play. And part of that is creating some items that provide a sense of place for our downtown area. One of the things that we're gonna [5:32:31, 5:32:42]: to be working on is a downtown banner program to provide opportunities for us to have content that is more evergreen and that we can use more durable and weatroof banners. [5:32:45, 5:32:53]: As we continue to develop downtown, it is important that we keep the momentum that we have now. We have a number of businesses that have opened within the last [5:32:53, 5:33:13]: 60 days or so. We want to encourage people to continue to come downtown. And one of the ways that we're proposing to do that is by lowering the cost of doing business in downtown. As such, we're proposing a downtown business assistance program, which would provide opportunities for retail and service businesses to get up to 20,000 to purchase. [5:33:13, 5:33:25]: as capital equipment, interior improvements, marketing, rent abatement, and certain impact fees. And the program guidelines were provided in your packet. If you have questions, I will be more than happy to answer them. [5:33:28, 5:33:48]: As we continue to promote what we do in downtown and for the city as a whole, we are looking at the office that we have currently. Uh the the office that you have graciously provided funding to uh create an office for our economic development. We have [5:33:48, 5:34:08]: Main Street, the DDA meets there, and the Main Street program meets there as well. We still need to complete some items so that we can be uh ready to open to the public and we're completing those as we speak. And we'll be launching a We Are Open campaign to let people know that we are here for them and that they can come to this. [5:34:08, 5:34:12]: downtown connection center and connect with our programs and initiatives. [5:34:15, 5:34:35]: Again, as we continue to build a viable and vibrant downtown, it is important now that we have a few businesses that have open that we can create food traffic for them because that is going to be necessary to keep them open. And this Saturday we attended a retreat done by uh the Main Street program. [5:34:35, 5:34:55]: Program and the DDA. And one of the things that we've learned from our counterpart in the city of Tokoa is that they have about 271 events in their downtown. And the city actually puts on about just 30 events of that. What that says to us is if we are gonna continue to provide a vibrant downtown for people to [5:34:55, 5:34:55]: Yeah. [5:34:56, 5:35:16]: uh come and enjoy, we have to create partnership opportunities. And one way to do that is by supporting organizations that can come here and create those programs. And that's why we're proposing this downtown special events program that would provide up to 2,500 to eligible organizations to bring small scale events like parades. [5:35:16, 5:35:28]: runs, walks, block parties, fairs, festivals, and art exhibits to our downtown. The program would cover expenses such as marketing, promotion, equipment rental, city fees, and security details. [5:35:31, 5:35:51]: Also, as we talk about creating an environment that is inviting for uh businesses, residents, and people that we want to encourage to come to our city, beautification is going to be key. And one of the ways that we can accomplish that is by having a facade building improvement program. Right now, the downtown [5:35:51, 5:36:11]: Development authority has a facade program. What we're proposing here is to create a citywide facade program so that we can address the exterior of some of our buildings. This particular program would provide up to 10,000 or 50% of the cost of improvement, whichever is less. It will be awarded to a property owner or a tenant. [5:36:11, 5:36:18]: independent depending on the project. And the goal would be to have the agreement in place for two years. [5:36:21, 5:36:41]: I also want to thank the council for its support of beautification um and uh do not leader campaigns in the city of Stockbridge. Uh one of the things that we're we we're asked to do is to research ways that we can uh create a more uh comprehensive approach to uh [5:36:41, 5:37:01]: The way that we do beautification in the city. And we also ask to explore opportunities to get some of the efforts that we've been doing, whether it's threading events, whether it's do not leader campaigns or community cleanups, and get affiliated with the Keep America Beautiful and Keep Georgia beautiful. So our staff had [5:37:01, 5:37:11]: uh have had conversations with Keepia Beautiful Foundation on ways that we can do that. And what we're presenting to you today is to create a [5:37:11, 5:37:31]: Community program that would allow us to get the appropriate uh funding, whether it's donations and volunteers, to make sure that we can continue our efforts but also benefit from what it means to be part of the Keep Georgia Beautiful and Keep America Beautiful. So this particular Keep Stockbridge Beautiful. [5:37:31, 5:37:51]: Would be comprised of members that will be appointed by the city council. It would serve as a 501. We had conversations with, as I mentioned before, with Keepia Beautiful and some affiliates of Keep Georgia Beautiful. And what we found is that the hybrid model of having a 501c3 open. [5:37:51, 5:38:08]: the doors because it allows you to be able to collect donations from businesses that may support the efforts. Also, they have adopt assigned programs or adopt a street or neighborhood. If you have the 501c3, it makes that possible as well. [5:38:09, 5:38:26]: Some of the activities that this group would do would include community cleanups, shredding events, do not leader campaigns, recycling and other beautification projects, which we have already been doing. It's just a matter of putting it together and providing it a community effort and a comprehensive approach. [5:38:30, 5:38:50]: Uh public arts program. Um we've completed a few projects, including this mural, which is very famous actually. It was part of um a slideshow that was presented at the National Main Street Conference in Boston this year. And we want to continue to build on some of the art projects that we've done. As such, we're [5:38:50, 5:39:10]: proposing this uh public arts program so that we can continue to implement some of the uh art projects that have been identified in the RSVP plan. And um those projects would include murals, uh utility box wraps or traffic signal art underpass uh underpass art project and other creative placemaking initiatives. [5:39:15, 5:39:35]: In May, as part of National Small Business Week, we hosted the uh National Small Business Meet and Greet. We had a great turnout, and as part of that conversation, uh we were asked, you know, what can we do to create a group where business owners can come together, network, and provide peer-to-peer. [5:39:35, 5:39:55]: To peer business opportunities. And I know that the city has had two iterations of a business group prior to me coming on board. And we've done the research, we've talked to staff about what worked and what didn't work. What you have in front of you today is the proposal to create what we would call a [5:39:54, 5:40:14]: Stockbridge Business Partnership. This particular program would be city-run for now until we can get it to a point where the leadership can uh take it on its own, and that particular group would be uh self-sufficient. What we're proposing is a seven-member board that would serve as an advisory board, and that will be uh [5:40:14, 5:40:34]: Actually appointed by city council. The goal of this particular group would be to provide benefits to their members, such as business mixers, quarterly luncheons, small business expos, awards, and recognition, and also partnership marketing opportunities. We've also talked to Enry County Chamber of Commerce. [5:40:34, 5:40:41]: to try to find ways that we can partner together so that we can work on some of the programming for this particular group. [5:40:44, 5:41:04]: One of the things that we've been discussing is finding ways to uh nurture entrepreneurship in our city and finding ways to encourage um folks to uh attend training, whether it is related to uh financial management or operations or marketing. And one of the ways that we want to do that is by [5:41:04, 5:41:15]: partnering with some of our um partners. The uh Georgia is the University of Georgia S B D C at Clayton State, the Henry County Chamber of Commerce, and we are also [5:41:15, 5:41:35]: Now, a part of Kaufman Fast Track, which is an entrepreneurship program. Staff will be undergoing training in the upcoming months on how to best assist people who are looking to launch an idea. [5:41:35, 5:41:40]: find ways to make ac capital more accessible to some of our businesses. [5:41:42, 5:42:02]: Another initiative that we're working on that would come um sometime uh probably next year, based on where we are with our conversations, is to create a culture that uh invites people to go out and and dine in our um city. So we're working on uh something that we'd call a Stowbridge Restaurant Week and we [5:42:02, 5:42:13]: We have a partner that we're working on and discussing how we can incorporate um rewards into that program so that we can encourage people to go out and um dine out in our city. [5:42:14, 5:42:33]: This uh project you're familiar with, uh we're working on the Stockbridge Wayfinding Plan. Right now we are in the process of talking to uh Sky Design to try to finalize some of the specifications that will be used as part of the procurement process so that we can go ahead and select a fabricator. So more to come on that. [5:42:35, 5:42:55]: The last project I will discuss is the Upskill Stockbridge Program. And one of your council priorities is to increase workforce development by enhancing job readiness of residents through strategic partnerships. We are working with Southern Crescent Technical College to offer some training programs. [5:42:55, 5:43:15]: Programs that we can encourage our residents to seek. And these programs are all identified by the state as industry and high demand programs: Allied health, automotive technology, aviation, computer technology, early childhood education, electrical alignment, technology technology. [5:43:15, 5:43:35]: Mechatronics technology and movie production. This particular program would provide up to$1,000 in the stipend for successfully completing a certificate. Most of the certificates are either one-term or two-terms. For a one-term certificate, a citizen would receive a resident of stock. [5:43:35, 5:43:42]: Dogbridge would receive$500, and for two-term programs, it would receive up to a thousand. [5:43:43, 5:43:48]: And this particular program again would be done in partnership with Southern Crescent Technical College. [5:43:50, 5:43:54]: With that being said, I'll be more than happy to take any questions that you may have. [5:43:54, 5:44:14]: Yeah, I have a couple here for you, uh, Mr. Lance. The small, the Strawberries Business Business Partnership, and maybe I might have missed this. You talk about uh uh membership of advisory board, seven-person board. I'm assuming that this is something that's already been advertised where people can can uh can actually apply for this, or is this something that we we we the council [5:44:14, 5:44:34]: So we're going to uh submit names or this something that the people can automatically just uh submit applications and then we select from that point. Sure. I'll be more than happy to address that. The first step is to actually um get your feedback on that this particular group. And once we uh we've [5:44:34, 5:44:54]: We've done that. Our goal is to um go ahead and start talking about a communication plan and what would be included as part of communication plan. I understand that we're creating a number of programs and initiatives and our businesses need to be aware of them. A couple of ways that we're gonna do that, we're launching a business newsletter. As a matter of fact, the first one it will go out. [5:44:54, 5:45:14]: This um this week. And at the same time, we want to make sure that we are addressing some of the questions that they may have. So, what we've been discussing is to actually host a virtual info session so that we can work through some of the programs that we're creating, the guidelines, the requirements so that people are aware. As it relates to the [5:45:14, 5:45:34]: The Stockbridge Business Partnership specifically, what we'll do is host an interest meeting so that businesses who are interested to get more information about this particular program, they can come to and ask questions and talk about the benefits. Once we do that, then we will ask people, you know, are you interested in becoming a member? If yes, there will be a process. [5:45:33, 5:45:45]: for that. And then once we get the interest list, the initial board would have to be nominated by city council. Then we will bring uh those names to you all for approval. [5:45:46, 5:46:06]: Thank you. The Stockbridge Entrepreneurship Program. It sounds like a like an incubator type of program in a sense is that what we're looking at here in conjunction with the Henry County Chamber, because they actually have a cell, incubator s sale per se, right there at the Chamber of Commerce that they're trying to work with small businesses. I'm assuming this is similar or the same concept. [5:46:06, 5:46:26]: So our approach to entrepreneurship is is going to be very comprehensive. And that includes partnership with Henry County, with the business resource center that they have. And that would also include providing access to capital and making sure that we are able to provide training. So uh we're work we're working with a number of organizations, and as I mentioned before, Kaufman faculty. [5:46:26, 5:46:35]: Track is one of them. Our staff will be going to training. So entrepreneurship can be addressed on multiple fronts, and definitely working with Enry County is one way to do that. [5:46:36, 5:46:47]: The last question I have for you, this Stockbridge Restaurant Week rewards, I think you mentioned that you w wanna start this next year. Yes. Can we start start this a little earlier than next year? [5:46:47, 5:47:07]: Because of uh if if it is the uh pleasure of of city council, we'll be more than happy to do that. However, I would like to say because of where we are in the process and the time that it needs to really create and promote and get buy-in from the businesses and educate um our residents, we think that it would be uh best to launch that next. [5:47:07, 5:47:24]: next year. And also we have um in some months where things are slow in in the county in terms of tourism and in terms of sales for our speciality industry partners. So we want to make sure that we're timing it right so that way they can um best take advantage of it. [5:47:24, 5:47:44]: All right, I'm I'm that's my all my questions. Um uh Mr. Thomas, go ahead please. Yes. Uh Mr. Alonce, uh I really do like this uh initiative um in your department. I I did read it uh extensively and you and I had a conversation. I shared some information with you as well. Um and I do see the [5:47:45, 5:47:52]: uh potential for collaboration and you know involving you know citizens in this and that's what I really like about it. [5:47:55, 5:47:56]: Um [5:47:58, 5:48:15]: I I guess my concern, and I know you mentioned the funding source. I I guess my only concern is how how can we sustain this? Um and I guess uh the other question is what's available under the ARPA funds. [5:48:15, 5:48:26]: Uh but I do like this program, I do like this initiative and uh and I'm willing to support. Um I'm just a little concerned about how can we sustain this year in and year out. [5:48:29, 5:48:49]: And yes, we will be uh using ARPA funding um for this particular project. And as I've mentioned before, uh we've allocated um as part of the ARPA funding that City Council has graciously um provided for economic development, we'll be uh using some of it as seed funding for this particular program just to get it off the ground. [5:48:49, 5:49:04]: Making sure that um the initial expenses that will be uh associated with this are covered. Uh things like making sure the five one C three is registered properly, making sure that we we have the proper marketing materials to promote some of the first initiatives. [5:49:05, 5:49:20]: Any questions inside? I just want to make one statement. I certainly have removed my name from Keep Start Rich Beautiful. This program has nothing to do with anything that I have done in the past. This is a nine member board, it'll be run by the city, is that correct? [5:49:22, 5:49:25]: Yes. All right, thank you. [5:49:25, 5:49:26]: You have questions from the council? [5:49:27, 5:49:32]: I do have one very quick question. I wanted to know the [5:49:32, 5:49:33]: Arpa. [5:49:34, 5:49:49]: is the funding source for this. But I thought we already allocated all of our ARPA funds. This is one of those projects. Thank you. Can you tell me what the estimated cost for this? I know it's it's gonna be ongoing. [5:49:51, 5:50:11]: um for which particular project? Are you talking about all of our initiatives? Yes. So as a city manager um alluded to, we've alloc we've been allocated some funding for uh economic development and our goal is to um use that funding to kick start some of the [5:50:11, 5:50:31]: these projects. As you may have seen, we have a number of programs that we've created. And based on the number of applications that we get, we may use these funds by next year. At this time we would have to talk about how we can keep some of the programs that we have. [5:50:31, 5:50:35]: How much how much funding have we allocated for this project? [5:50:38, 5:50:58]: For uh the entire um initiatives that we uh have, we have about three hundred thousand for economic development. And um as I mentioned earlier, marketing is also part of it. So that's uh one project that will be fund funded through this um economic development at uh PowerPoint funding. [5:50:59, 5:50:59]: Thank you. [5:51:02, 5:51:04]: Any other questions from the council? [5:51:06, 5:51:17]: All right, so uh we do still have a quorum. Yeah, need a motion to accept uh to approve this particular economic development process uh as presented by Mr. Lance. [5:51:19, 5:51:20]: Yes, sir. [5:51:25, 5:51:26]: Okay, is there a second? [5:51:27, 5:51:30]: Mr. Blount Second, any further discussion? [5:51:30, 5:51:31]: Oh favorite police in the cake. [5:51:33, 5:51:35]: All right, thank you very much. It passes. [5:51:36, 5:51:37]: Thank you so much. Thank you. [5:51:40, 5:52:00]: Council consideration approved Maze Crossing Lift Station and Force Main Rehabilitation Project Change Order Number One. But all South Construction Incorporated Change Order Wood 1 replace the old Conyo's gravity sewer main, two, maze uh crossing lift station generator, three installation of the air release valve. [5:52:00, 5:52:18]: House on Willow Springs Force Main for installation of the razor ribbon on the fence and Mays Crossing Lift Station in the amount of three hundred forty-two thousand six hundred sixty-seven dollars and eighty cents. Funding source is Sploss, presented by Mr. Aaron and Brad Holzinger. Go ahead, please, gentlemen. [5:52:19, 5:52:39]: Yes, Ms. Mayor. Uh seven years ago when I came to the city of Stockbridge, one of the things we started was developing a capital improvement program for our water, sewer, and stormwater infrastructure. So this is a part of that program. And also as part of an agreement we had with EPD in reference to some sewer speech. [5:52:39, 5:52:59]: That we've addressed with one of them was the Smith Barnes sewer basin. We've completed that project with uh CDBG funded. So I'll let Brad speak to this. This is an area where we've had sewer spills in the past. We told EPD as part of our consent agreement with them that we would rec rectify this issue. So I'll let Brad speak to [5:52:58, 5:52:59]: Big onto. [5:53:00, 5:53:20]: Thank you, Mayor and Council. For hearing me, I'll be brief but thorough. All right, the uh replacement of the gravity sewer line down Old Conyers, that serves the high school, middle school, elementary school, and uh Lexington Park subdivision. Uh the part of the line [5:53:20, 5:53:40]: About six hundred feet in the line. It's one of the very few places in the city where the sewer line actually is exposed and in the air. So it's deteriorated over the past thirty years and actually has holes in it. So it needs to be replaced. The generator at Old Conyers, I mean it uh [5:53:40, 5:54:00]: Maze Crossing, that's the s uh pump station behind Maze Crossing shopping center, and we just finished the completion of that. But the generator we were hoping we could make it work, the one that was there, and it's just not gonna get it. It's just it's too old. So that needs to be replaced. [5:54:00, 5:54:20]: The uh air release valves are coming out of Willow Springs force main and reason we're not doing it ourselves is because the lamp where it screws into the force main, it's deteriorated and if it you know when you go to taking something out that's been in sewer, it's rusted, you could get into more than we can. [5:54:20, 5:54:31]: we we can handle. So we're gonna let uh contractor do that and just need some ra uh razor wire around the pump station at Mays Cross and the new pump station. [5:54:32, 5:54:35]: Okay, question. Excuse me, sir. [5:54:36, 5:54:50]: No well well I'm I wanna know if you got a question, first of all. No no questions. Any questions for okay, then I need a motion to accept this proposal then. So moved. Okay, Mr. Blount, is our second? Second. Mr. Alexander, okay. No further discussion. All in favor, please indicate. [5:54:51, 5:54:52]: Opposed. [5:54:52, 5:54:55]: I abstain. Okay, three zero one. Motion passed. [5:54:55, 5:55:00]: Thank you. And this may be the last time I'm ever in front of you,'cause come October. [5:55:00, 5:55:06]: Think I'm taking the path on out. Well you okay. I'll check you out. We'll we'll see ya. [5:55:06, 5:55:26]: Want to grow up and be like you're not gonna be in October. In October. October is go to sleep when you get over the next people. Have a good night's sleep. We sorry, I'm sorry. Council consideration approved site engineering to replace water main on shortline court an amount of one hundred and thirty four thousand seven hundred fifty one dollars and twenty. [5:55:26, 5:55:46]: Mr. Aaron, please. Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. This is a project. We've got some issues with substandard material that was used back in the day for this portion of our water distribution system. [5:55:46, 5:56:06]: So site engineering is our own call engineer. This is something that's been leaking for a while. We need to get repaired. So we're coming before council tonight to ask for approval. We'll ru uh replace the water main with uh ductaline water main and also put in some additional fire hydrants and replace some services as well. [5:56:06, 5:56:07]: Yes, sir. [5:56:10, 5:56:17]: Maine on the short line and another one hundred and thirty-four thousand seven hundred and fifty-one dollars and twenty-five cent funding source of spots. [5:56:18, 5:56:20]: Okay. Is there a second to the motion? [5:56:21, 5:56:26]: Second. Okay, Mr. Alison, a second all further discussion. If not, all fair, please indicate. [5:56:27, 5:56:31]: Okay, no no polls. Okay, four zero passes. Thank you, Ms. Mayor and Council. [5:56:32, 5:56:38]: You thank you, sir. Uh council consideration to fill uh vacancy and appointment uh member of the youth council advisory committee. [5:56:39, 5:56:40]: Miss Randy Rainey. [5:56:41, 5:56:42]: And uh [5:56:42, 5:56:52]: Good evening. Good evening. Mayor Council. I am coming before you to fill a vacancy and an appointment for a member of the Youth Council Advisory Committee. [5:56:53, 5:57:10]: Yes, sir. How many applicants you have? Just one. Miss Mary Sadiq, I think that's her name. She's replacing a member who left at the end of May. So that appointment will end um December thirty first, twenty twenty four. [5:57:10, 5:57:12]: Have you all have you you out too? [5:57:12, 5:57:20]: I have not personally talked to her, but she has been vetted by us. But I'm not sure if you guys reached out to her at all. [5:57:20, 5:57:31]: I I motion to um fill the vacancy with the applicant on file, the only applicant on file for the youth council. Second. Okay, any further discussion? And if not all favor, please indicate. [5:57:32, 5:57:52]: Okay. Okay, it's unanimous city for all. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry, we made you wait so long. Sorry, we made you wait so long. Council meetings will be held, the city council chamber noting uh some board members of board and committee meetings will continue to take place by way of Zoom. Meeting dates and times of subject change, please visit the city's website. [5:57:52, 5:58:12]: at www.city of starbridge.com for meeting invitation link, Facebook page, or contact City Hall offices at 770-389-7900. Okay, an additional announcements to an upcoming meetings and events. City Council meeting, second Monday of each month, 6 p.m. [5:58:12, 5:58:32]: City Council Chambers, which will be 12, uh well 12 Jules tonight. Uh youth council meeting, 6 30 p.m., second Monday of each month. City uh City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, City Hall, which once again it was today, earlier today. Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall, Levi meeting room tomorrow. [5:58:32, 5:58:52]: June 13th. City Council work session special meeting date June 20th, 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers on the 20th, that is. Downtown Development Authority meetings third Tuesday of each month. Welcome center 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, which should be June 20th. New Council of our [5:58:52, 5:59:12]: Committee meeting 6:30 p.m. The third Tuesday of each month, Levi Meeting Room, City Hall on June 20th. The planning commission meeting is 6:30 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers fourth Thursday of each month, which will be June 22nd. Upcoming events and initiatives. Okay, join us for Food Truck Takes You Tuesday, 5. [5:59:12, 5:59:32]: Thirty eight thirty Clark Park Community Park Clark Community Park 111 Davis Road and of course lots of great food and activities for everyone. Family event. Join Mayor Pro Tem Barber for a free Zuma every Saturday at 8 a.m. beginning May 6th in Gardner Community Park on East Atlanta Road. Join Councilman Thomas [5:59:32, 5:59:52]: uh for the Don't Trash Stockbridge centered around education highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping. More to follow on this information. Councilman Thomas is also honoring veterans with a continued salute to all year long. Please send your pictures of veterans with their names, branch, rank, years of service service to R. Rawl, [5:59:52, 6:00:10]: At city of Stockbridge-G A dot G-O-V. The Main Street will be hosting an informational session for Stockbridge businesses to learn more about how they can participate in Small Business Blitz, Small Business Saturday. This meeting will be held Tuesday, uh, June 13th at um [6:00:12, 6:00:32]: June thirteenth at six o'clock P.M. which uh thirteenth is tomorrow. Tuesday, June at six PM. All right. Uh join join me for the state of the city address on Thursday, June fifteenth, six PM. Location right here in the city hall. Um right in the chambers here at six o'clock. [6:00:32, 6:00:52]: on uh once again on the 15th for state of the city address. Join the city of Stockbridge for our annual Juneteenth celebration. Monday uh June 19th at Stockbridge Amphitheater. There will be food truck food trucks, arts, crafts, vendors, and current and concert featuring jazz, blues, and soul artists. Until we start at 3 p.m. [6:00:52, 6:01:07]: The event is actually free. So you got Bobby Rush, Millie Jackson, Lenny Williams, Luce Ends, Rashawn Patterson, and Gerald Allstead and the Manhattans all performing during that course for a free event. Juneteenth celebration. Be off the chain. [6:01:07, 6:01:27]: Join Calcman John Blount for Bingo Bass Wednesday, June 21st from 10 a.m. to noon at Merle Manders Conference Center located on 111 Davis Road. And join me for Meet the Mayor on Wednesday, June 28th from 10 a.m. to noon. Please contact Roslin Rawls to schedule an appointment. 678-833-2800-8200-8 [6:01:27, 6:01:47]: or by way of email, all Rawls at the city of Stockbridge-GA dot G-O-V. And join Mayor Pro Tam Barber for the second quarter district four community forum Wednesday, June 28th from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. at Mermanus Conference Center. Once again located 11 uh 111 Davis Road. [6:01:47, 6:02:07]: And uh note to get your tickets for the upcoming 2023 concert, suburbs concert series, the bridge, by visiting stockbridgeamp.com in person at the ticket office located at 4650 North Henry Boulevard, Thursday through Saturday, 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. The box office is open Thursday to Saturday from 1 p.m. to 10. [6:02:07, 6:02:08]: [21729.1, 21733.6]: Got a outstanding season coming up here. And my particular comments is first of all [6:02:14, 6:02:14]: Yes, ma'am. [6:02:15, 6:02:16]: No um remain. [6:02:19, 6:02:25]: And no said Tuesday Tuesday six thirteen, which is uh which is tomorrow. [6:02:26, 6:02:27]: That's what No says. [6:02:28, 6:02:29]: Tuesday six thirteen. [6:02:31, 6:02:51]: Right. I s I thought I said sixteenth. The thirteenth, tomorrow, Tuesday. That's when it is. Okay, um we did a proclamation earlier today. We announced that for Happy Father's Day, all you fathers out there. Continue to be great men in your families, uh in your family's wives, your children, and your loved ones. And um and I appointed [6:02:51, 6:03:11]: uh councilman thomas uh to a committee. He's the chairman uh councilman chalm is is officially the chairman of the community relations committee which serves as a forum to review and recommend the city council significant community relations objectives responsibilities of this committee will include but not limit to the following encouraging communication and participation between residents [6:03:11, 6:03:31]: And the city government analyzing and identifying means of ensuring continued cooperation among different groups, coordination of city events, creation of mechanisms to seek input from the citizens to obtain reactions to short and long-range projects or policies, an overview of the operations of the code enforcement department. This committee will meet, shall meet as needed, and shall submit. [6:03:31, 6:03:51]: Submit quarterly status reports to the mayor and council. Congratulations, Councilman Thomas, on your appointment, sir. Thank you, sir. You're welcome. And COVID 19 is still out there, so get your vaccinations boosters, and you gotta stay healthy. And uh we want you to live a long life, so please do so. Get that COVID vaccination. And on that note, I don't I do not know if [6:03:51, 6:03:56]: So my assumption is that I'm going to ask for a motion to [6:03:56, 6:03:57]: Endor council meeting. [6:03:58, 6:03:59]: So Mr. Blount. [6:03:59, 6:04:03]: Mr. Al uh Mr. Thomas, second debt, all in favor please indicate. [6:04:03, 6:04:07]: The meeting is over. 5-0 announced decision. Good night. [6:04:08, 6:04:09]: And God bless you. [6:04:16, 6:04:17]: Well [6:04:21, 6:04:22]: Okay, I'll tell you. [6:04:24, 6:04:27]: Well it's over the final. [6:04:27, 6:04:30]: Don't tell I don't I'm asking, I don't know. [6:04:30, 6:04:32]: Yeah, okay.

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2023-05-30 source: 2023-05-30_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:03]: That will be our next step. Then we'll obviously advertise [0:00:03, 0:00:07]: At the current polling locations, get information out to the voters. [0:00:08, 0:00:13]: and post in both locations, new and old, uh once that is approved by council. [0:00:14, 0:00:15]: Okay, so [0:00:15, 0:00:19]: When you say that you advertise on a legal organ, there's no public um [0:00:19, 0:00:30]: uh public s uh location, public type of low uh meeting, special meeting for this at all. It's just uh No, we are required by law um O C G A twenty one point two point two six five [0:00:30, 0:00:48]: um to advertise for two consecutive weeks. Okay. Um with the intent to um change the polling location. Yeah, no public hearing is what I get. That's not not needed for that. Okay. We it it's it's a good idea if you have members um that are present that want to speak to it at that time, but it is not required as a public hearing. [0:00:49, 0:01:04]: Because you all are going to adopt it by ordinance because in your charter you currently have three polling places. This will expand it to the I guess you gotta come to the mic. Yes. So and what'll happen is when you all approve this resolution, when it comes back to you all, it will come back as an ordinance. [0:01:05, 0:01:15]: And it'll be an election ordinance which increases and changes what's currently in your charter from three precincts to ten precincts. And it'll align for the [0:01:16, 0:01:36]: City residents to be able to vote at the county precincts, but some will be out of the district and out of the city. But you'll be able to get one ballot that will that the Secretary of State's office is going to approve and the attorney general is going to approve. Once this is done, that will allow for you to get one ballot, which will have the county and if they're federal. [0:01:36, 0:01:56]: federal things on that ballot, but it'll also have the city stuff on that ballot as opposed to them leaving to have to go back to the city to get a city just a city ballot. Sounds like they'll streamline everything for us. Yes, the so that we won't be there won't be an undue burden on the voters. All right. Uh Matt, go ahead and I just wanted to cite some of the uh numbers. Um [0:01:59, 0:02:09]: I just wanted to cite some of the numbers. But first let me uh let me go ahead and cite these numbers. So as it is now, we have three polling locations. We have Red Oak. [0:02:09, 0:02:14]: We have Stockbridge First United Methodists and we have the Murr Mandels Conference Center. Okay. [0:02:15, 0:02:17]: For example, individuals voting it. [0:02:17, 0:02:18]: Hickory. [0:02:19, 0:02:21]: What is it called? Flat Hickory Flag. Hickory Flat. [0:02:22, 0:02:24]: Um they would have to travel. [0:02:24, 0:02:28]: Six point two miles. They would vote for their county, state, [0:02:28, 0:02:29]: Or federal [0:02:29, 0:02:36]: on that ballot and then have to travel to the Merrill Manders Conference Center, which is six point two miles away, and vote on election day. [0:02:36, 0:02:41]: This takes care of that they will be able to vote with one ballot. [0:02:41, 0:02:46]: at one location, not even two voting machines as we currently have it in some of them. [0:02:46, 0:02:47]: One ballot. [0:02:47, 0:03:01]: one location on election day. Outstanding. So of course early voting, you know you can vote throughout the county. Right. But this remedies the issues that we were having on election day for the Henry County voters. [0:03:01, 0:03:21]: Alston. Okay, council, you have questions. Mr. Alstane, go ahead. No, I just want to stand up and give Miss Holiday and the whole team a round of applause because this is so much leaning forward, cutting edge for what we're doing. Probably be one of the first uh cities in the state to even possibly do [0:03:21, 0:03:41]: uh have this be the case because there's a number of municipalities that are facing the same direction. Though you know, Hickory Flat, that's a precinct that's in my area. It's the Tabernacle of Praise. That certainly is very convenient to residents who live in the south end of Stockbridge, certainly flipping elementary. So many [0:03:41, 0:04:00]: We uh you know we've been as a council have chart uh de endeavored to increase voter participation and access. That's exactly what this does, taking three polling places to ten. So I'll never plan. And I'll I'll stand for that as well. Okay? [0:04:02, 0:04:05]: Thank you. I must say this. This was a collaborative effort. Okay. [0:04:06, 0:04:16]: I need to thank my city manager. We there were numerous phone calls, emails, Zoom calls, research, law, lookup. [0:04:16, 0:04:36]: Um, we needed to thank uh Dr. Harris from the Secretary of State's office. We have to thank Miss Glenn, who is actually leaving the Henry County uh elections office and going to work for Fulton County, but her due diligence and working with the Henry County GIS and mapping department, Miss Amika Banks, the director. [0:04:36, 0:04:38]: [278.6, 296.5]: County attorney, there w um even Rushi Patel down at GMA, there were a number of people who put their hands in this to make this happen for Henry County voters and I wanna thank them as well. Off time we'll turn it. You got go ahead, Mr. Blount. [0:04:57, 0:05:08]: For the city of Stockbridge. Would it because they're gonna be voting in that district, would they be there to go to either or location? They will they will be assigned a specific district. [0:05:08, 0:05:11]: A specific, excuse me, polling location. [0:05:11, 0:05:14]: They will be assigned a polling location and receive new [0:05:14, 0:05:18]: Um polling cards um from the Secretary of State's office. [0:05:20, 0:05:38]: 'Cause I'm uh as I look at it I'm I don't know I'm looking at a districting map on polling places for each district, which makes it obviously a lot easier in certain districts than others. Um I'm I'm looking at m uh mine in particular. Both polling places are actually [0:05:40, 0:05:41]: Outside my district. [0:05:41, 0:05:42]: Hmm. [0:05:43, 0:05:55]: All of District Five is outside of the district. This is the the county is decides on the polling places and then we are using their polling places for the municipal election. [0:05:56, 0:06:03]: Because before they w everyone in all of the outside districts would have to travel to the Merrill Manders Conference Center. [0:06:03, 0:06:06]: Yep, yeah, but before as far as my district. [0:06:07, 0:06:11]: It wouldn't have hurt for district three to also been included. [0:06:12, 0:06:14]: uh over forty two [0:06:14, 0:06:17]: We don't ha there's not a Henry County polling location. [0:06:17, 0:06:20]: But I'm saying but you all have it as a polling location, or? [0:06:21, 0:06:23]: No, there was not a [0:06:23, 0:06:28]: polling precinct already in that area. We use what Henry County already had. [0:06:29, 0:06:34]: What I'm saying is if you have a a polling area on sixteen forty Georgia Highway Forty Two. [0:06:35, 0:06:38]: Why didn't you just include district three there? [0:06:39, 0:06:49]: Those voters are assigned by Handy County, not by us. The map and the district maps draws all of that out. Now, this is to move forward with this, but [0:06:50, 0:06:53]: When we bring it back to be voted on, we can have the county. [0:06:54, 0:06:54]: Um [0:06:55, 0:06:57]: Speak to how those lines were drawn. [0:06:58, 0:07:02]: And how the voters were placed in each of the different districts. [0:07:03, 0:07:04]: Okay. [0:07:05, 0:07:25]: All right. I just think that's a good thing. We're actually like piggybacking on to the uh already but that's that's fine established council. For me, my request is that that that polling position be open for district three. What I would what I would think that's gonna be a recommendation. Yes, what I would suggest is that we ask the county if [0:07:25, 0:07:26]: If they want to expand. [0:07:27, 0:07:31]: the county polling locations that's um and then we could tag on to that. [0:07:33, 0:07:34]: Well. [0:07:35, 0:07:37]: And that that's the where the confusion comes in is with me. [0:07:38, 0:07:40]: You're not expanding it for district three. [0:07:41, 0:07:44]: If you already have a polling area here. [0:07:45, 0:07:55]: So I'm trying to understand you're saying expand, but it's already in existence. So I don't understand. I'm sorry, I'm not understanding your question. I'm not understanding you saying you keep saying using the word expand I mean add an additional polling precinct. [0:07:55, 0:07:56]: De [0:07:57, 0:08:01]: may already be in the district. Right now we are using what is current. [0:08:01, 0:08:03]: Well that's what I'm saying. [0:08:03, 0:08:07]: You only had one previously, now you got two at least. [0:08:07, 0:08:11]: If I could finish, using the current what we have in front of us. [0:08:12, 0:08:14]: At sixteen forty two. [0:08:15, 0:08:18]: Since I have two precincts that are not in my district as it is. [0:08:20, 0:08:33]: Uh I would like to see district three used in sixteen forty, uh Georgia Highway forty two. I don't have I don't see a I don't see a single district of voting in in in my in in district three. [0:08:35, 0:08:38]: Your question again is you would like to see [0:08:40, 0:08:43]: Go ahead, I'm sorry. You would like to say [0:08:43, 0:08:50]: You understand what I'm saying? I don't I think you wanna make sure that the ballots that are in the [0:08:50, 0:08:51]: Precincts. [0:08:52, 0:08:53]: nearest your district. [0:08:54, 0:08:55]: have your name on them. [0:08:55, 0:08:57]: Yes. We don't assign those to count. [0:08:58, 0:09:00]: But the but that's what I'm saying. If [0:09:00, 0:09:10]: we if if we're able to make those and request those provisions because as if it stands with this, because you all talked about [0:09:10, 0:09:11]: We talked about [0:09:11, 0:09:13]: Global impact. [0:09:14, 0:09:21]: And I thought that we was gonna move forward with that. We can't. The county has to be the one. But where do they get the suggestions from? [0:09:22, 0:09:28]: Well no no no hold on. These already existed. These are none of these are new. [0:09:28, 0:09:37]: None of these are new. These these precincts already existed. What happened with the annexation in January? [0:09:37, 0:09:44]: We now have residents who reside in these areas that have been added. [0:09:44, 0:10:01]: They were county polling places. But now we have city residents and now those city residents will be able to vote at the same county place that they already participate in. I got that. Then it goes back to my original question. [0:10:02, 0:10:05]: The other two polling places are not in my district. [0:10:05, 0:10:11]: Why couldn't we request that another one then be set, not in my district? [0:10:11, 0:10:13]: But they have the option to go to [0:10:14, 0:10:20]: This one right here at sixteen forty, Georgia Highway forty two. I'm trying to figure out w you you you're not understanding what I'm saying. [0:10:21, 0:10:30]: He's saying We we we have no control of that. That's just that's the ca that's the secretary. We don't draw those lines. Just hockey good. That's all. [0:10:30, 0:10:31]: Yeah. [0:10:32, 0:10:51]: We well we would certainly ask. I like to know what Mr. Larn what he said. If if we would please ask them and make that request. Yeah, the balloting issue that we talked about. You want to make sure that the ballots, you wanna make sure that the area closest to your district, that all the residents closest to your district can go vote and your name will be on the ballot. [0:10:51, 0:10:55]: Yeah, because if you come from that area over there, Fort uh [0:10:55, 0:10:57]: Highway sixteen forty. [0:10:57, 0:10:59]: And coming all way over to the other side. [0:11:00, 0:11:07]: is six in one hand, half a dozen the other. So why wouldn't it be also a polling place for the ones over in for district three, over on the Eagles Landing side? [0:11:08, 0:11:28]: That I and I think that's what we gonna make sure is done when they do the ballots, when the ballots get coded and also they send the voter c registration card from the secretary of state to the individual. It should have where they should vote and that would be the areas that he should be that he's assuming. [0:11:28, 0:11:28]: Yeah. [0:11:29, 0:11:35]: It was the same issue I brought up to you on whether that remember when they said n none of those were in that in that district? Right. But but [0:11:36, 0:11:37]: And if you learn me. [0:11:39, 0:11:59]: Yeah. Uh Councilmember Blount, so yes, I mean, we could ask obviously the county if they can add one more district that one more voting precinct for that district that's closer. Eventually what should happen is when they open up for new precincts, the one location I think that's that's amenable to that district would be uh Tau Tabernacle. [0:11:59, 0:12:01]: Not Del Michael, please. Um [0:12:01, 0:12:12]: global impact would probably be will be in your district and probably will be a voting po could be a voting precinct in the childhood. But right now, yes, we could make that request to Henry County and see what they say. [0:12:12, 0:12:20]: I I don't know about the timeline on that, but but but but what that does, um, Councilman Blount is all those [0:12:21, 0:12:25]: Those members who are currently assigned to another precinct right now. [0:12:26, 0:12:34]: And if they change that that means they would you would have to go and reconfigure all of those people who will no longer be voting at those precincts. [0:12:34, 0:12:39]: to now come to this particular precinct. So that's that's a time [0:12:40, 0:12:41]: I don't know about the time. [0:12:42, 0:12:44]: for this year's election to make that happen. [0:12:47, 0:12:53]: And that's fine, but I I just wish that whatever we request and whatever we do, whatever's in our powers. [0:12:54, 0:12:58]: That we this you know, that that efforts would have been made to make that happen. [0:12:58, 0:13:03]: Yeah, we'll call we'll call them ask them. I mean I'm probably those provisions [0:13:03, 0:13:23]: It's a mute point at this point. No, so here's where we are, right? Where we are is we're making the advertisement that polling place is going to change, and these are what the polling places that are proposed to change are. Right? At that point, it will ultimately come back to you all because until you vote, we just have those three. So what I'm proposing is that we just get on the phone and call. [0:13:23, 0:13:34]: and see if we can get your question answered from the Henry County Board of Elections as to how they're going to send up the information to the Secretary of State about balloting [0:13:34, 0:13:43]: for the municipal races, especially assuming the districts that they will have. But I'm assuming that the GIS maps that they will have [0:13:43, 0:13:46]: of the of y'all's districts well put [0:13:48, 0:13:59]: people having ballot access to the stuff closest to them because they're voting outside of districts, like in Councilman Alexander's district, there are no precincts in his district. They're gonna all be voting in the county. [0:13:59, 0:14:04]: And they're going to have his name on the ballot there. So I'm assuming your situation will be handled about like that. [0:14:04, 0:14:07]: And then as we look forward about changing [0:14:08, 0:14:23]: because of the districts and all that stuff is we look forward about seeing about getting precincts, additional precincts in the county and the city that will match up to where they would be able to vote, which is I think the ultimate hope is that they will be able to eat. [0:14:24, 0:14:39]: district member would be able to have precincts in their district. There would also be county districts, but there would also be county polling locations that they'd be able to vote in. But that's still going to be as Ms. Holiday was saying, beyond this election cycle. [0:14:39, 0:14:54]: And and may I speak to the immediate um what the immediate need was when we were putting this together. When we annexed in those six thousand six hundred and sixty seven residents, they were in the county. [0:14:55, 0:14:59]: And they were assigned to county polling locations, not [0:15:00, 0:15:02]: the city of Stockbridge, where they now [0:15:03, 0:15:03]: Yeah. [0:15:03, 0:15:09]: are able to vote in the municipal election. However, they had no precincts in the city. [0:15:10, 0:15:10]: So [0:15:11, 0:15:15]: All of this was to make sure that those new voters were [0:15:15, 0:15:25]: had a location to go to and be able to vote in the municipal election. That was the immediate need. We can look to additional things that we can do, but that was really the immediate need. [0:15:25, 0:15:31]: Understand. Just to follow up we was talking about because then we'd we'd we're dealing with two separate [0:15:31, 0:15:48]: situation because when we talked about new polling places, these are some things that came up in our districts. So when this came out and when this is was presented, it it's it's it's different from that. But you're but what what you're saying making sense. I'm oh I'm okay with that. [0:15:48, 0:15:51]: But we were talking two different things. [0:15:51, 0:16:01]: We were talking about what we what we wanted polling diff uh areas in our own districts versus existing polling areas for new residents. [0:16:01, 0:16:10]: Mr. Blan, I understand what you're saying. And this would be what you're speaking to would be similar to what we did. If you'll recall initially we had one polling location. [0:16:11, 0:16:12]: We added [0:16:14, 0:16:21]: Um Red Oak and we added Stockbridge Hirst United Methodist Church. That would be in that um [0:16:23, 0:16:23]: Realm. [0:16:25, 0:16:28]: But it takes ti it took us two years for that to happen. [0:16:28, 0:16:35]: It it was it's not an easy fix because we have to reassign voters. So we certainly have that on the radar. [0:16:37, 0:16:37]: Okay. [0:16:40, 0:16:47]: Yes, uh what Mr. Gardner was saying was that voters were going to and I think uh Clinton spoke to this, voters [0:16:47, 0:16:48]: We're going [0:16:48, 0:16:59]: to two different polling places on election day. Right. That is what we consider to be an undue burden. You consolidate two, so you consolidate so you go to one location. Ms. Barber, go ahead please. [0:17:00, 0:17:06]: Um Miss Holliday, when you go back and make your request of adding additional precincts. [0:17:06, 0:17:10]: Please add district four to Hickory Flat. [0:17:11, 0:17:14]: А лев клос, клосер Хікері Флат. [0:17:15, 0:17:16]: But yeah. [0:17:16, 0:17:18]: I guess I'm gonna have to travel. [0:17:19, 0:17:20]: Crawl town. [0:17:20, 0:17:25]: So that is an undue burden for my side of my subdivision. [0:17:26, 0:17:32]: So I know that Councilman Alexander represents the other side of Lakeside subdivision. [0:17:33, 0:17:34]: Obviously. [0:17:34, 0:17:35]: Those residents. [0:17:36, 0:17:39]: On that side of the street we'll be voting at Hickory Flat. [0:17:40, 0:17:42]: But the ones on my side. [0:17:43, 0:17:45]: I don't know, where are we going? Flipping. [0:17:46, 0:17:49]: Well there's a number. There and there's also one at Miller's Mill. [0:17:50, 0:17:56]: Okay, for district four. Well, for the residents and the homeowners of Lakeside Subdivision. [0:17:57, 0:18:12]: I cannot guarantee I can make the request. I know you can't guarantee. Right. You make the request. Request, sir. Ask that Dic District Four be added to Hickory Flat as well. Okay. And Councilmember Because I'm sure that's where they have been going. Is that a new [0:18:13, 0:18:19]: Polling place. That is not new, but there are already voters assigned to Hickory Flat. They will have to reassign [0:18:19, 0:18:23]: So I don't know where these residents were voting before. [0:18:24, 0:18:27]: So at least we want to keep them where they were voting. [0:18:28, 0:18:29]: both sides of the street. [0:18:30, 0:18:37]: We need to look at Lakeside as one whole subdivision, although there are two different city council representatives. [0:18:37, 0:18:42]: It's one whole subdivision. So wherever you have those residents of Lakeside. [0:18:43, 0:18:45]: assigned to vote. [0:18:47, 0:18:57]: Both sides of the street should have the same access wherever they voted before. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Let me be clear. There has been no change. [0:18:57, 0:18:58]: Two county. [0:18:59, 0:19:00]: State. [0:19:00, 0:19:01]: Or federal. [0:19:02, 0:19:17]: polling locations. Those voters that you're speaking about were already sp voting in their county location. All we're doing is allowing them to now vote for their municipal elections at that same [0:19:18, 0:19:18]: Precinct. [0:19:19, 0:19:22]: I understand, but you mentioned about the undue burden. [0:19:23, 0:19:28]: That's why I mentioned please when you make the request, please make sure that district four. [0:19:29, 0:19:34]: is looked at as well. Okay. If Hickory Flat can be also added. [0:19:34, 0:19:43]: So the request is to add district four voters to Hickory Flat and then Councilman Blount, your request is if we can ask the county. [0:19:43, 0:19:44]: To add red oak. [0:19:45, 0:19:46]: I'm sorry, excuse me. [0:19:47, 0:19:48]: Global as a [0:19:48, 0:19:49]: County polling. [0:19:50, 0:19:51]: Precinct. [0:19:51, 0:19:54]: And city polling precinct. [0:19:54, 0:19:58]: to include district three. Is that correct? Do I have that right? [0:19:59, 0:20:19]: Councilman Bunt. Yes. Okay, thank you. Are there any additional questions? No, another another question. So you need a motion, is that correct? We do need a motion. Okay, so council need a motion so they can go forward with this resolution. Yes, sir. One other comment real quick. As it was indicated, none of these are in my district. I have no polling locations uh inside uh my district. [0:20:19, 0:20:39]: boundaries and that was kind of one of the things that we looked at. And then as you said earlier, this is a win for our citizens because they don't have to go to two different places in order to vote. And understanding that what has really happened here is before all of us had one precinct. So we all have more than that. [0:20:39, 0:20:51]: uh moving forward with this. So on those grounds I certainly make a motion to approve with the request from Mr. Blount and with the request uh from Ms. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. [0:20:51, 0:21:00]: Okay, sir second. Ms. Barber second then. All in favor, please indicate. See now says thank you, Miss. Thank you, Clerk. Thank you, Ms. Washington. We will move on. [0:21:00, 0:21:20]: We have the consent agenda, ladies and gentlemen. And two items there. Item number three, council consideration to approve the purchase of 250 Muller AME water meters from Waterworks Incorporated for the uh Dimate Town Home Development in the amount of sixty sixty three thousand six hundred fifteen dollars. Funding source. [0:21:20, 0:21:40]: Will be spLOS funds as well as item number four. Council consideration approved the contract renewal of invitation to bid ITB for number 16 RFP 101216 DRR American Tank Maintenance LLC Full Service Tank Maintenance Program and amount of$61,419. [0:21:40, 0:22:00]: Funding source is from the Water Department budgeting funds. And uh Mr. Aaron is before us uh for this. Yes, sir. Sir, on the consent agenda, there is no discussion. They just vote, we just vote. Motion to vote, that's correct. Right. So these doesn't have to make a presentation unless somebody requests one, we can just vote. Exactly right. Right. [0:22:00, 0:22:20]: So I need a motion. Motion. So uh so moved. Okay, there's a second. Uh Mr. Blount's second. All in favor, please indicate. Thank you very much. Thank you. It's passed as namously. New business. Council consideration to increase the FY 2024 sanitation fee from$17.34 a month to$22 a month and build annually an amount of two. [0:22:20, 0:22:40]: $264 on the Henry County tax statement. Mr. Aaron, please. Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. Come before you tonight to ask for your approval to increase the sanitation fees because the budget is showing that if we do not, we will be running a shortfall in the sanitation budget because of [0:22:40, 0:23:00]: the ongoing increases from GFL and our disposal, they're allowed to add a CPI every year in their contract. So the CPI can be anywhere from zero to five percent. So it's averaged about three percent. So every year the cost of our collection and and disposal has increased [0:23:00, 0:23:20]: Around about sixty thousand dollars. So every year it increases by about sixty thousand dollars. And also uh sanitation disposal costs are going up across the region, and we just want to ensure that this service pays for itself. We've checked with uh professionals. [0:23:19, 0:23:39]: Providers that are providing services in the private sector that they can contract with. GFL has an initial rate of$26.50 per month. Also, they charge the residents$47 to receive a cart, which the city does not do. Cycle Works, which has [0:23:39, 0:23:55]: Over five hundred of the annexed residents charge an average of thirty dollars and thirty-three cents a month. And Clean Earth is another one that we found that has some of the customers. They charge an average of twenty-five dollars a month. So we just want to make sure that the service pays for itself. [0:23:55, 0:24:15]: Good questions, Council. Go ahead, please, Mr. Alson. We're basically we have been absorbing that cost. Is that correct? Yes, sir, we have been. So we because we have not raised the rate, we have been absorbing that cost. Everybody understand that with the inflationary times that we're in right now, that the price on everything has gone up. [0:24:15, 0:24:35]: And I hear this every day from constituents outside the city who are saying they're paying, you know, thirty dollars, thirty-five dollars, way above what we're paying. And your recommendation is for twenty twenty-two, is that correct? Yes, sir. So that still would be eight dollars cheaper basing what I'm seeing is might be [0:24:35, 0:24:55]: the average of uh the t you know the what people are paying who live outside the city. So it's a it certainly is a uh incentive for people to come uh inside the city because of these rates. And the one thing about it, I want to make sure that we're we're emphasizing our service that we provide. [0:24:55, 0:25:15]: W not only do we provide trash collection, we provide recycling. Many of these providers just charge the price that you described only for trash collection. Yes. And then on top of the that we have yard debris, uh limb pickup, and then we have free bulk pickup too, correct? Yes. [0:25:15, 0:25:35]: None of these other services who charge more than we charge an exorbitant amount. Eight so this one service is eight dollars. I think you describe even more than that. Uh but they don't offer the the the limbs, they don't offer the bulk. So what we're doing, I certainly think that we gotta be so this will balance our. [0:25:35, 0:25:55]: Books is what you're saying? Yes, sir. Okay, certainly we want to be in a position where we can balance the books and then some, you know, uh, and not not create a deficit because we have, and and and and the council should pat themselves on the back because in in in these inflationary times, we have eight that. [0:25:55, 0:26:07]: increase which was due to the city because we know that citizens were on so much pressure during the pandemic that they couldn't afford that. So we did everything that we could to save them money during the pandemic. [0:26:07, 0:26:27]: I understand. You know the comments from the council. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. Mr. Aaron, what what type of what what is what type of cost were we incurring that we weren't breaking even for the services provided? Because I don't have re reason I'm saying that because I I've yet to see anything come to this council showing that we're falling short because of these services and when we [0:26:27, 0:26:38]: We talked about these services, we also talked about outside carriers that are using our transfer station uh transfer station and how's that all that stuff works. So what kind of costs are we [0:26:38, 0:26:41]: We're biting the bullet on to raise these uh rates. [0:26:42, 0:26:59]: We're uh noticing increases in the disposal cost and the collection cost as well. Like I say, GFL contract allows them every year, they can increase their rates based on the consumer price index. That can be from zero percent, they choose not to [0:27:00, 0:27:20]: included or up to five percent. Same for uh Lamar County where we take our waste where for final disposal. So they've been implementing the CPI every year, which is allowable in the contract, and the city has not. The city does not have an annual CPI like the disposal and the collection does. [0:27:19, 0:27:36]: So every year, by the fact that they're implementing a CPI, it increases our cost. So it's averaging about$65,000 every year that we're gonna notice an increase. And then you're taking on 2,000 customers. We have [0:27:36, 0:27:56]: We have eighty two hundred customers, so you're adding about twenty-five percent more customers, and so that's gonna increase the disposal cost by another twenty by at least twenty-five percent. We're projecting around thirty-five because now you're gonna have people that get bulk waste pickup and yard waste pickup. So those things were not accounted for. [0:27:56, 0:27:58]: For like this year. [0:27:58, 0:28:04]: With uh we'll provide starting next Monday, providing sanitation service to those annexed residents. [0:28:05, 0:28:12]: So we're gonna have to foot the cost for the increased disposal cost because that was not budgeted for. So [0:28:13, 0:28:33]: You use an acronym CPI. What's that? CPI? Consumer Price Index. So that's the annual uh rate of inflation that most uh entities use. So so when they did the in when they was doing the increase, we wasn't are they able to do an increase every year or is it in May. [0:28:33, 0:28:35]: And so the increments of those increases [0:28:36, 0:28:43]: Is typically I'm saying it's interesting when we have the increment and increase in one area and we don't do something in our area. [0:28:43, 0:28:45]: And then we come and say, Hey. [0:28:45, 0:28:49]: They've got several up on us, we need to do something about it and then the jump is higher because [0:28:50, 0:28:57]: Y you know I'm saying I d I had no idea that we was in a place that and I don't know if the other council members do, but I didn't know we was in a place where [0:28:58, 0:29:03]: we was losing money at the rate where we were we were as uh that that we're at now. [0:29:04, 0:29:11]: But see the the thing that triggered it, like I said, when we start working on budget, is like, okay, we started looking at the numbers. [0:29:11, 0:29:14]: So we're gonna have a twenty five percent increase in [0:29:14, 0:29:32]: And disposal costs. And disposal costs are constantly going up at the landfills because there are new requirements from EPA and EPD as for us, monitoring requirements, disposal requirements and things of that nature that, you know, the vendor, they're not gonna eat those costs, they're gonna pass them on to us. So [0:29:35, 0:29:38]: Council, any other questions? Uh Ms. Barber Collette, please. [0:29:41, 0:29:42]: Mr. Aaron. [0:29:43, 0:29:48]: Earlier this year, um the council approved extending the current provider [0:29:50, 0:29:51]: Can you hear me now? [0:29:52, 0:29:56]: Okay, Mr. Aaron, earlier this year the council approved a renewal. [0:29:56, 0:29:58]: Of the current provider's contract. [0:29:59, 0:30:04]: Was that for one year or two years? It was for one it was for one year. [0:30:04, 0:30:05]: Okay. [0:30:05, 0:30:07]: This is where competitive bidding. [0:30:07, 0:30:09]: Um is important. [0:30:10, 0:30:13]: We didn't know what to expect as far as the market. [0:30:13, 0:30:17]: We didn't know that there would be a increase, however. [0:30:17, 0:30:22]: When these suppliers are required to competitively bid their contracts. [0:30:23, 0:30:26]: Then we can go with the best cost. [0:30:27, 0:30:28]: For us. [0:30:29, 0:30:30]: But now here we are. [0:30:31, 0:30:32]: Having to accept. [0:30:33, 0:30:34]: An increase. [0:30:34, 0:30:35]: That none of us knew about. [0:30:36, 0:30:38]: But had it been competitively beated. [0:30:39, 0:30:40]: We would have known. [0:30:41, 0:30:42]: That's all. [0:30:42, 0:30:50]: But but one of the things we gotta keep in mind for profit companies, like when fuel go up, a lot of things they have a fuel surcharge. [0:30:50, 0:30:55]: For profit companies are not gonna they're not in business to take a loss, they're gonna pass it on to us. [0:30:56, 0:30:59]: and surcharges and other things. So if they're allowed to [0:30:59, 0:31:08]: implement the CPI, whether we had GFL or some other company, they're gonna do those because their goal is to ensure that they make a profit. [0:31:08, 0:31:13]: And so whether we bid it out or not, it does not guarantee that we're gonna get lower rates. [0:31:14, 0:31:34]: Because everybody is in business. That's how they stay in business. They can't afford to take a loss. But the city, we're doing it. We're not doing it to make money. We're doing it to make sure it pays for itself. And and that's the city's goal. It's not to stash a lot of money saying overcharging people or whatever. We're just trying to pass the cost along of what it costs. [0:31:34, 0:31:47]: cost us to the residents and not we gotta supplement it because then that means you gotta pull money from somewhere to supplement those costs. Yeah, I understand that, but competitively bidding it. [0:31:47, 0:31:50]: рекарсь з плієрсь то компет [0:31:50, 0:31:51]: For the contract. [0:31:52, 0:31:55]: So they would give us their best price. [0:31:56, 0:31:59]: It is our responsibility to make sure that we're getting [0:32:00, 0:32:03]: Best price for the best quality of work and services. [0:32:05, 0:32:11]: So now this is just being dropped in our lap, and we have no choice. [0:32:11, 0:32:13]: But if it is competitively bidded. [0:32:14, 0:32:18]: We can actually compare proposals, but we don't have that choice. [0:32:19, 0:32:19]: That's all. [0:32:20, 0:32:38]: Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. Mr. Aaron, I thank you for explaining that. Um whether it's a contracted business or any uh any contracted business that hasn't increased, the the thing that concerns me is that during these CPI increases that we never moved with them. [0:32:39, 0:32:59]: When the county does an increase on water, we move with them because we want to keep everybody uniform with the rates. I just that's that's the only thing that's getting me with this. When they when they did their increase, we didn't move with them. And now I don't have no I'm have no idea, but in contractually they could do it every year. And so we're at a point now where it's gonna be at I guess roughly four dollars and sixty. [0:32:58, 0:33:04]: sixty six cents more a month on each uh residence, something like that. But [0:33:04, 0:33:18]: If we're at a point where the services are being provided and and and this it and that for what I'm understand there still is a competitive rate pertaining uh uh with the with the surrounding like um vendors. [0:33:19, 0:33:32]: So, I mean, th this is where we at. I just I just don't like using something to justify something when that's something that we're using was on we we wasn't aware of. I wasn't aware of these increments. [0:33:33, 0:33:36]: until now that we w that we could go into [0:33:36, 0:33:44]: we're we're sir we have to cover and surplus the the amounts that wasn't being provided. That's that's my that's my take on. [0:33:44, 0:34:04]: Well, we could going forward. If whenever the company implements the CPI, we do it accordingly so that we stay on par with what they're charging. You can Well at least give us that choice because now we get to a point where we have to do it versus if we want to do it. But now to a point where it's getting so high if they've implemented [0:34:04, 0:34:24]: And the CPIs on several times, and we we definitely don't want to get make that gap too wide and and the cities end up uh you know pulling in now more costs for that. You you see what I'm saying? Yes. At least at least we get something to say, something to the council saying where we're going with their rate increases, and we gotta keep up before we [0:34:24, 0:34:37]: We start taking too big of a loss. Yes. I would send a letter that they send us to the city manager explaining the CPI and when they implement it. It's typically in May. So I will send that to him going forward to disseminate to everybody. [0:34:38, 0:34:50]: Mr. Alexander, go ahead, please. No, I'm just prepared to make a motion to move forward. All right, if there are no other comments, go ahead, please. I make a motion to uh as is recommended by staff uh to uh implement the new sanitation rate. [0:34:50, 0:34:51]: Sir Second. [0:34:52, 0:34:53]: Is there a second? [0:34:57, 0:35:13]: Oh well. Okay, once again it's there second. So this is due to the county June first. So whether we had the old rate or the new rate to go on the tax bill. So all right. Right now it seems like it's due to the county June first? Yes, sir. Isn't that like day after tomorrow? Yes. That's correct. [0:35:14, 0:35:15]: Yeah. [0:35:15, 0:35:17]: We got a vote on today. [0:35:17, 0:35:19]: That's well, I would think so. [0:35:20, 0:35:28]: So if we don't vote on today, then there's an increase that there's an increase to f to to take the uh hit for the city. So we [0:35:29, 0:35:29]: Yeah. [0:35:30, 0:35:37]: Was this brought to us prior to today? We'll just we'll just supplement it like we have previously. [0:35:38, 0:35:51]: I'm saying was this brought to us prior to today? Was this No, because like I said, when we started preparing our budget and things like this, this when this number stood out to us, it's like this is something we can't absorb. [0:35:52, 0:35:55]: But they you say they implemented it on on uh in May. [0:35:56, 0:35:58]: They implement the CPI in May. [0:35:58, 0:36:18]: Yeah, uh May of every year. But this is like I say, we're adding additional customers, that's gonna increase what we pay for disposal. So our budget previously wasn't built on that. Our budget was built on 8,200 customers. Now we're talking about 10,200 customers. [0:36:18, 0:36:23]: Well, see, it this goes back to what I've been saying. I'm only speaking for myself. [0:36:25, 0:36:30]: You know, we we s we set up a scenario with provisions to be and to provide. [0:36:31, 0:36:35]: If it happens. We have this in place if it doesn't happen. [0:36:36, 0:36:43]: We continue to react to this big number of customers coming to the city like it probably couldn't have happened. [0:36:44, 0:37:03]: We when we could have been proactive and just keep things flowing. I just don't like being reactive when we find ourselves having to make a decision because it's two days before it expires and that handcuffs us. That handcuffs us to say, now you gotta make it happen. We can't continue to be reactive like this annexation wasn't gonna happen. [0:37:04, 0:37:09]: Like it was one hundred percent what it's gonna happen because when it happened, we didn't make enough provisions to have [0:37:10, 0:37:11]: Parameters in place. [0:37:12, 0:37:29]: to suffice what needs to be done. And that's that kind of that really concerns me. I'm I'm s I'm just continually seeing that. And that that really concerns me. This they came in January the first and we're we're we're like like they like we didn't believe it was gonna happen. We have to have things, parameters in place, but [0:37:32, 0:37:33]: I mean I mean uh [0:37:34, 0:37:39]: That's where we're at. All right. Any other comments? Motion's on the floor, but I haven't yet to get a second. [0:37:40, 0:37:50]: And so if we don't get a second, this doesn't uh I I'll second me. Okay. Uh Mr. Blount seconded the motion. Any additional comments? Motion's been made. All favorite motion, please indicate. [0:37:53, 0:37:53]: All pose. [0:37:55, 0:38:00]: I will outstain and a comment. Three zero one. Okay, your comment is I will [0:38:00, 0:38:08]: I'm abstaining. Yes. I don't like I don't like things like this being dropped in my lap, forcing me to make a decision. [0:38:08, 0:38:10]: Um I understand [0:38:10, 0:38:13]: It's necessary to increase the rate. [0:38:13, 0:38:14]: I get it. [0:38:15, 0:38:15]: That's all. [0:38:16, 0:38:36]: Thank you. America, I have one additional comment. Yeah, go ahead, sir. I'm gonna be honest. I didn't come I don't know where the communication failure was, but Mr. Aaron has come to that podium and told us, like he told us what the water rates, that the rate was going up. So I does that did you come to the podium and tell us like you did the water rates? [0:38:36, 0:38:56]: That uh these rates that we've because I we've been eating that increased the last three years, right? And and we're gonna eat it for six months when it comes to the increased disposal cost for these residents that we start providing sanitation services to. I I think again, I think this council, what we did, my in my opinion, speaking for myself. [0:38:56, 0:39:09]: is that during the pandemic, we did not want to hit residents with an increase because folks were struggling. So I think I thought that was our rationale behind eating those costs because people were already struggling. But [0:39:10, 0:39:17]: I I I don't know how I I did I was aware that these increases were coming because we were eating them each year, right? [0:39:17, 0:39:18]: Yes. [0:39:19, 0:39:19]: Correct. [0:39:21, 0:39:41]: Okay, we're gonna move on to the next item. Number six, council consideration to increase FY twenty twenty-four stonewater fees as follows. Base rate tier one single family resident from seven uh dollars and fifty nine cents to seven dollars and ninety seven cents. Impervious rate tier one single family residential from twenty nine ninety nine to thirty. [0:39:40, 0:40:00]: 3149. Base rate tier two single family residential from 759 to 797. That's dollars, by the way. Impervious rate tier two single family residential from$59.98 to$62.98. Base rate non-single family residential$20,000 square feet. [0:40:00, 0:40:20]: From$7.59 to$7.97. Impervious rate non-single family residential$20,000 square feet from$299,000,$299.90 to$314.90. The total overall proposed fee increase from$307.49 to$320. [0:40:20, 0:40:26]: twenty two dollars and eighty seven cents or a four point seven six percent increase. Uh Mr. Aaron, please. [0:40:27, 0:40:47]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. Uh we're coming tonight requesting that we be allowed to increase the stormwater fees. Our MS4 permit requires us every year to inspect and repair over twenty-five percent of our stormwater infrastructure. Prior to the annexation, we had over fifteen thousand [0:40:46, 0:41:06]: Identified stormwater structures. And so adding as we added these 90 plus miles of new streets and territories, so we got to incorporate that into our database so that we're compliant with our MS-4 permits. So that's going to require us to go out and manage. [0:41:06, 0:41:21]: and identify all these stormwater infrastructure within the areas that we just obtained, as well as our own infrastructure and update it. So we're asking for the increase so that we be we'll have the funding available to [0:41:22, 0:41:32]: to uh pay for these services of identifying and inspecting and repairing and maintaining all this infrastructure that we currently have that our permit requires us to maintain. [0:41:33, 0:41:53]: Good, thank you. Council. Ms. Alzana, quick, please. So let me I just want to make sure that I understand. So I mean the water is separate from this, where Henry County water maintains the water and sewer. This is the stormwater system obviously is separate from that. But all over internal like my areas, even where we don't have any that [0:41:53, 0:41:56]: Infrastructure belongs to the city, is what you're saying. [0:41:56, 0:42:16]: All the drains and n and ditches and pipes and inlets and outlets and all of that is maintained by the city. We have to inspect twenty-five percent of all our stormwater infrastructure every year. And every five years you have to complete one hundred percent inventory and inspection and repair and maintenance of your stormwater infrastructure. [0:42:16, 0:42:36]: collecting that from builders and developers we're collecting those fees what what how how competitive is our fees yes with this uh with the stormwater fees as far as the commercial side is concerned with these new businesses ours are uh below henry county what their stormwater fees are we're [0:42:36, 0:42:56]: Competitive with McDonough and Hampton and Locust Grove. But I said what what are the numbers? What are do you have the numbers where Henry County is and where we is? So the numbers are helpful for competitiveness to see where we are. I don't compare their numbers here is why because all of us have different needs. Henry County has different [0:42:56, 0:43:11]: different stormwater infrastructure and needs than the city of Stockbridge. But when somebody comes into the city and they're trying to decide whether to annex in or not, they're gonna look at those rates. The C our fees are lower than Henry County Water Authority. [0:43:12, 0:43:32]: I don't have that information with me, but I can send that to you tomorrow. But our rates are lower than Henry County. And like I say, this is part of what the state requires us to do with our inspections and all of that. Every new builder that comes in, every new lot. [0:43:32, 0:43:35]: that's built and approved. They pay a stormwater fee. [0:43:35, 0:43:47]: that we if they come in after the taxes has been assessed, the tax notices have gone out, we send them a a invoice for the sanitation fees and the stormwater fee. Mr. Gardner, can you come to the podium? [0:43:54, 0:44:14]: Now it's all over the news about these stormwater fees. I think the Cab County is, you know, doing something different whether in uh uh looking at their fees, certainly other jurisdictions are too. This is we're in the middle of a surge, gross surge all over the county and in the city. We have to be [0:44:14, 0:44:15]: Um [0:44:16, 0:44:36]: I need to know what these numbers are so that we can compare, because on the commercial side, all these residents complaining about the commercial growth. But when the commotion commercial growth comes, they gotta pay their fair share. I believe Henry County did increase their fees significantly so that these uh developers would [0:44:36, 0:44:47]: eat some of that cost because they're gaining the windfall and then they're gonna leave, as most residents say. They're gonna build and then they gonna be gone. So when they build and they're gone, they need to leave their [0:44:48, 0:44:57]: Their uh their funding behind in order to help sustain us. So have when was the last time we raised the commercial rates? [0:44:58, 0:44:59]: Um [0:45:00, 0:45:05]: I think it was two thousand eighteen is the last time we we raised [0:45:05, 0:45:09]: Whenever that we had that retreat indicator. [0:45:09, 0:45:12]: The thing might have been eighteen or nineteen. [0:45:12, 0:45:20]: That's when we raise the commercials are paying their fair share. They're paying their share. I I know that, but if we have a now trust me. [0:45:20, 0:45:40]: It's 2018 and we just went through the record in s inflation for the entire country. Everybody has to raise their race. I know Henry County just did. We got to look at, because our residents, we don't want to keep looking at the residents first. We need to be looking at these businesses who are coming in, they're impacting us. [0:45:40, 0:45:55]: They're game, like you say, they're for-profit. Some of that for profit need to be going back to us. So uh I don't want to be necessarily significantly less than Henry County, especially on the commercial side. No, I don't. I want to be right there where they are. [0:45:56, 0:45:58]: On the commercial side,'cause in this growth space [0:45:59, 0:46:19]: The the the it it it the value is in just being in this area, not necessarily in the counter in the city. They're gonna pay it because they wanna be here. So Mr. Gardner, talk about us getting us this information that we need to be very competitive because with the new development we just approved. [0:46:19, 0:46:30]: than district four, new developments coming uh all over the place, people annexing in. We gotta get what we deserve and I just do when these people come uh to the counter. [0:46:31, 0:46:35]: Push it back. Then it'll go next year. Final sea. Then it'll be next year. [0:46:35, 0:46:41]: No, we we could find the information tonight, provide it tonight. Can we get on can we count the [0:46:53, 0:47:13]: Councilman Alexander, if you allow for us not to vote on this item, um move it to the back of the agenda. We're gonna try to research that those numbers and get them to you before tonight's for you. So otherwise you're requesting this to be moved to the to the end of the end of the item. Yes sir. All right, and then between th this time you'll be able to get some additional information that he's gonna be able to do that. [0:47:13, 0:47:22]: for you. All right, so that's not just up to me. Well I was gonna ask for a motion or council you agree to move this item to the end of the agenda t for further discussion. [0:47:23, 0:47:26]: Uh you're we're good here on the side? [0:47:26, 0:47:27]: So okay. [0:47:27, 0:47:42]: All in favor? Okay. From Alexander to uh uh Blount. I'm Blount made a motion. I second. Mr. Alexander, all in favor? Indicate okay, good deal. So we'll move this agenda item down to after number 10 before we get into announcements. All right. [0:47:43, 0:47:58]: Uh move on. Council consideration approved the renewal of the landscape maintenance services contract for Yellowstone landscape in amount of three hundred twenty seven thousand two hundred sixteen dollars. Funding source from government building buildings department and amphitheater budgeted funds. Mr. Aaron, please. [0:47:58, 0:48:18]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. The initial contract with Yellowstone was approved by council on September 28, 2021 for one year with the option to renew for four one-year renewal periods with options at the city's sole discretion. So where the contract expires September 30th, 2023. Staff is asked. [0:48:18, 0:48:19]: Yeah. [0:48:20, 0:48:24]: uh mayor and council extend the contract with Yellowstone for an additional year. [0:48:25, 0:48:39]: Okay. Thank you. Questions. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. Mr. Aaron, you are you okay with with their work and everything they're doing? Yes, they've been responsive to the request we've made. They've been timely with it and they've done an a wonderful job for us. I haven't had any issues with [0:48:40, 0:48:52]: With council approved, I'd like to show move Mr. Okay. So you made a motion. No, he's so he has go ahead, Mr. Okay, I'm sorry, go ahead. Mr. Mr. Thomas. And I'm glad counting. [0:48:52, 0:48:53]: Or [0:48:54, 0:48:58]: And I'm glad Councilman Blount asked the question about [0:48:58, 0:49:06]: uh the approval o of that work'cause I just read last night where it was required for in writing [0:49:08, 0:49:10]: Go ahe go ahead, sir. Um [0:49:11, 0:49:18]: for to be in writing uh the approval uh of that work. But I just wanna [0:49:19, 0:49:22]: Asked a couple of questions about the dollar amount. [0:49:23, 0:49:29]: Um in September as you stated, September of twenty twenty one. [0:49:29, 0:49:34]: The council did approve of this contract for two hundred and fifty. [0:49:35, 0:49:38]: And then in December of the same year. [0:49:39, 0:49:41]: An addition of fifty thousand was added. [0:49:41, 0:49:44]: to bring it to a total of three hundred thousand. [0:49:45, 0:49:48]: And we do understand that it does expire in [0:49:49, 0:49:51]: September twenty twenty three. [0:49:52, 0:49:52]: But [0:49:53, 0:49:58]: There seems to be for a total of three hundred and twenty seven thousand [0:49:58, 0:49:59]: two sixteen [0:50:00, 0:50:03]: So there seemed to be an increase from the original [0:50:04, 0:50:07]: contract of twenty one twenty seven thousand [0:50:07, 0:50:10]: And I'm trying to get a better understanding. [0:50:10, 0:50:11]: Oh [0:50:12, 0:50:21]: Well, can you explain the increase of twenty-seven thousand from the original uh contract uh in twenty twenty-one? [0:50:21, 0:50:37]: Yes, and when the original contract was awarded, you didn't have the Public Works Administrative Building, nor did you have the police department as part of those, because they weren't online at the time. So the increase resulted from adding the Public Works building and the police department. [0:50:38, 0:50:45]: So in December of twenty twenty one, what was the reason for the uh addition of fifty thousand? [0:50:45, 0:50:59]: That was uh they did some additional work at the amphitheater. They refreshed the mulch well before that first concert. And then in December the Public Works Building came online. [0:51:00, 0:51:03]: 'Cause I remember this discussion even back then. [0:51:03, 0:51:07]: Um and I think the answer at that time was [0:51:08, 0:51:28]: Because of these uh additional scope of work for the fifty thousand. And I don't know if this council remember, but we had a that was part of that as well, cause it was some things that weren't included in the original agreement that we wanted as far as frequency of certain items and certain tasks. [0:51:28, 0:51:31]: So we increased the frequency, that was a part of that as well. [0:51:33, 0:51:50]: Well, I I I really wanna dispute that because as you know, you know, I I sort of led that discussion and I do have my notes based on that and it seemed like the answer at that time was a little different. But let me also ask the question about [0:51:50, 0:51:57]: Um and I m did my notes this morning. So there's a total increase [0:51:57, 0:52:06]: From the original contract from twenty twenty-one, uh, it's a total of seventy-seven thousand two hundred and sixteen. [0:52:06, 0:52:26]: So I'm still trying to get a a better understanding of from 2021 to 2023, we we're looking at an increase of 77,000. And then it goes back to when we discussed this in earlier conversation about uh, you know, the putting it out for bid, and I didn't want to comment then. [0:52:26, 0:52:29]: [3149.6, 3169.6]: Uh when you competitive bidding and I I think competition is good for a municipal government. I I think competitive bidding is just good, period. And I don't know why we don't really um, you know, emphasize that quite a bit, but so it did not go off of bid in twenty twenty two. [0:52:49, 0:52:50]: Is that correct? [0:52:50, 0:52:56]: No sir it didn't. And it's not going out for bid here in twenty twenty three? No, sir. [0:52:57, 0:53:02]: Well see and d those are some of my concerns about why not. [0:53:03, 0:53:19]: Um and I I just ought to have a problem with that, especially the increase of seventy-seven thousand dollars from January from September of twenty-one to now. I I just have a have a little problem with that. I don't know if we could do better or not. And we don't know. [0:53:20, 0:53:24]: until we get into the competitive building. But that just those are my comments. [0:53:24, 0:53:36]: Mayor. Councilman Thomas, I think if we all recall, I think when we were building this landscaping out, we would only get two responses. Yes. It was Yellowstone and an and another company. [0:53:37, 0:53:51]: And uh every time we like I say, every time we bidded it out, we only got two responses. It wasn't a lot of we had plenty of companies came by and looked at it, but when it came time to submit the bid, it was only two. We only had a choice of two. [0:53:52, 0:53:53]: And so [0:53:53, 0:54:06]: We went with the one that that we felt was best for the city at at that time. If it's the uh will of council to put it back off a bit, then we'll do that. But we've had great service from from this vendor. [0:54:06, 0:54:20]: They've always been responsible. Whatever we ask them, they've done it. They've done it in a timely manner. And this day and time, I'm like, there's no guarantee just'cause you beat it out, you're gonna get a l lower price or a better service. So [0:54:22, 0:54:41]: And and I and I guess my my biggest concern is, you know, the quality of work and and I'm I'm observant of some of the work and you know, I do have my opinions about the quality of work of what I see. Um, seem like it could be better, but i it just just my opinion. [0:54:42, 0:54:46]: Mr. Bay Mayor. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Dallas Down, go ahead, please. [0:54:46, 0:55:02]: Let me let me just say one thing here quickly is that you know we we all looked and we know how as we assume leadership in this city, how the city, how this area right outside this window [0:55:02, 0:55:03]: Used to look. [0:55:04, 0:55:06]: We know how it looks now. [0:55:06, 0:55:08]: And let me tell you, it looks [0:55:08, 0:55:10]: A whole lot better than it ever has. [0:55:11, 0:55:26]: And uh the improvement has been significant in numerous areas. So I I I wanna chime in on Mr. Aaron's uh we requested that the mulch and the pine straw and everything be refreshed. [0:55:27, 0:55:45]: more frequently quarterly versus having it done a couple of times a year, uh like the median on port on uh highway one hundred thirty eight. Those areas have come together, um, in terms of what this whole area was look like. I remember when we uh we debate we we looked at this and [0:55:45, 0:56:05]: The uh provider came before us and we s and I I remember specifically saying to them,'til we get to where McDonough is, we haven't reached that goal yet. Are we there yet? No, but we're a lot closer than where we used to be.'Cause when I come through here now I see the difference and I wanna continue to see the difference and ask them to excel. The one thing [0:56:05, 0:56:25]: I think that we need to understand is I'm certainly for the competitive bidding process, but I'm also for the RFQ, adding the RFQ process to it before you do the RFP. Because just and I think long enough, we've been in government long enough to know the lowest bidder sometimes is there's a reason that they're [0:56:25, 0:56:26]: The low is bitter. [0:56:26, 0:56:33]: There's a reason that they bid it low and there's a reason that we get you get what you pay for in terms of where we are now. [0:56:34, 0:56:54]: I'm nervous about taking this one back out because of where we are and the improvements that we have made. And at every turn, I think Mr. Aaron has asked of this provider to increase uh its frequency or their level of service. They have done so and they have done it with uh it in record time. [0:56:54, 0:57:09]: in some instances. Are they perfect? No, they're not perfect, but I certainly believe in where that what they're doing and I can see the difference uh in this area right here, which is right around City Hall where we need to be the face of our city. [0:57:09, 0:57:29]: And I think this vendor has helped us improve the image uh of the center uh of our city, uh especially in this area, as I go out and I see the amphitheater campus and as I I see that mulch that costs fifty thousand dollars. It looks good. Now we gotta get the retention pond finished, Mr. Gardner. [0:57:29, 0:57:49]: And online and expeditiously, but certainly I want to make sure that we give this vendor their due credit. And again, I don't mind putting stuff out for bid, but we gotta add a RFQ process to the RFP process because when people bid the lowest, that don't necessarily mean you're getting a good job. You get what you pay for sometimes. [0:57:49, 0:58:09]: And when you do RFQ first, you eliminate some of the people who aren't capable of doing the work. And you've done a more your due diligence on people when you put out uh the RFP for the final work. But I I I think this contractor is doing a good job and I'd be hesitant about moving anything else because they have done [0:58:09, 0:58:10]: They have done the work. [0:58:11, 0:58:15]: Mr. Blancway, please. Yeah, I I just wanna say um [0:58:16, 0:58:25]: When we go back years and we're dealing with now, we gotta understand our process what we've had when it came to landscaping has been interesting. [0:58:26, 0:58:28]: When we have a procurement process [0:58:28, 0:58:30]: That we should abide by. [0:58:31, 0:58:37]: We all see what happens with what we're dealing with now. And when you're talking about Mr. Aaron, only two companies. [0:58:37, 0:58:38]: been bidding on this. [0:58:39, 0:58:40]: We have to trust what you're saying. [0:58:41, 0:58:43]: And if we're talking about this is which is [0:58:44, 0:58:45]: Every company [0:58:45, 0:58:48]: In every entity in the United States. [0:58:48, 0:58:51]: has an increase in services this year. [0:58:51, 0:58:52]: Everybody. [0:58:53, 0:58:54]: Everybody. [0:58:55, 0:58:59]: I went to Popeye's the other day'cause I had people over and got twelve pieces of chicken that was thirty dollars. [0:59:00, 0:59:03]: Never paid that before. So everybody got increases. [0:59:05, 0:59:07]: Бо ви хати. [0:59:07, 0:59:11]: And we have to leave the procurement process alone. [0:59:12, 0:59:15]: And know that when the bidding process does happen. [0:59:16, 0:59:18]: We won't find ourselves in the position we're in right now. [0:59:19, 0:59:22]: Mayor Pro Tem go ahead please. [0:59:22, 0:59:28]: Yes, um and you're right, Councilman Alexander, I have seen a significant improvement. [0:59:28, 0:59:30]: in the appearance of our downtown. [0:59:31, 0:59:31]: Um [0:59:32, 0:59:34]: So kudos to [0:59:34, 0:59:36]: The current contractor, however. [0:59:36, 0:59:37]: I'm always concerned. [0:59:38, 0:59:40]: When there is a contract award. [0:59:40, 0:59:42]: And then shortly after, whether it's [0:59:43, 0:59:45]: Three months, six months. [0:59:45, 0:59:48]: Or nine months into the contract. [0:59:49, 0:59:51]: They add additional charges. [0:59:51, 0:59:53]: Or they increase their pricing. [0:59:55, 0:59:56]: That is why. [0:59:56, 0:59:57]: Competitive bidding. [0:59:57, 0:59:58]: is important. [0:59:59, 1:00:00]: Lock in the rate. [1:00:01, 1:00:04]: Lock in the contract and the dollar amount. [1:00:05, 1:00:06]: So that they cannot [1:00:07, 1:00:10]: Come back and ask for an increase. [1:00:11, 1:00:20]: Now I know that when we initially approved this contract in twenty twenty one, Councilman Thomas, he just went through the background. [1:00:20, 1:00:23]: There was already an increase of fifty thousand dollars. [1:00:23, 1:00:25]: after we approved the contract award. [1:00:27, 1:00:28]: That was a red flag. [1:00:28, 1:00:31]: And then now again, and I understand with inflation. [1:00:32, 1:00:38]: The cost of services have increased across the board, across all industries. I get it. [1:00:39, 1:00:40]: But we have a responsibility. [1:00:41, 1:00:43]: We have a responsibility. [1:00:43, 1:00:50]: Not just to keep accepting the increases. I know these are services that are necessary. [1:00:51, 1:00:54]: This contract does not expire until September thirtieth. [1:00:54, 1:00:57]: There is time to rebid it. [1:00:57, 1:01:10]: And to rebid it so that we're able to cast a broader net of potential responders, not just share it on the city's website and hope potential responders. [1:01:10, 1:01:12]: will submit proposals. [1:01:12, 1:01:15]: We have to take a proactive approach. [1:01:15, 1:01:22]: in looking for other potential responders to all of our solicitations. [1:01:22, 1:01:27]: So when we're in the middle of a contract with any service provider. [1:01:27, 1:01:30]: And they are requesting an increase. [1:01:30, 1:01:31]: I'm always hesitant. [1:01:32, 1:01:33]: Because there is a contract. [1:01:34, 1:01:34]: In place. [1:01:36, 1:01:38]: We I mean inflation is [1:01:39, 1:01:40]: Hidden all of us. [1:01:42, 1:01:42]: But still. [1:01:43, 1:01:45]: I am looking out for what I believe. [1:01:45, 1:01:48]: Із і на без інтерс адрезиденців. [1:01:48, 1:01:49]: We can't just keep [1:01:50, 1:01:53]: approving additional increase to services. [1:01:54, 1:01:55]: And this is one of them. [1:01:56, 1:01:59]: We can rebid this and I certainly support [1:02:00, 1:02:04]: Councilman Thomas in his comment of rebidding this. We have time. [1:02:05, 1:02:06]: Mr. Thomas, please. [1:02:07, 1:02:14]: Uh thank you. Let let me just clarify uh a a couple of things here and about [1:02:15, 1:02:18]: This council's responsibility. [1:02:18, 1:02:23]: Uh we have the responsibility of oversight. [1:02:26, 1:02:29]: If we did not have this responsibility [1:02:30, 1:02:33]: These things would not come before the council but [1:02:33, 1:02:35]: For approval. [1:02:36, 1:02:38]: There's a reason why. [1:02:38, 1:02:40]: та процес [1:02:40, 1:02:43]: Bring this forward before the council. [1:02:44, 1:02:50]: And we cannot be lax in our responsibilities. [1:02:50, 1:02:52]: To ask questions. [1:02:53, 1:02:55]: And to look at [1:02:55, 1:02:57]: Efficiency [1:02:57, 1:03:02]: and effectiveness in what we do every day. [1:03:02, 1:03:12]: I'm not made like that. Some of these other council members may be. I'm not made like that because I understand my responsibility as an elected official. [1:03:13, 1:03:33]: As a legislator, I understand that. And it's incumbent of all of us to be in the trenches to ask questions, to poke at the efficiency and effectiveness of what we do every day. Uh when contracts, everything that we do, and let me just say this. [1:03:33, 1:03:45]: I see the comments from council members talking about whether trees need trimming. Cut the grass here, do this here, do that there. So I'm just saying if everything is so perfect. [1:03:46, 1:03:49]: Council would not have to make these various requests. [1:03:49, 1:03:51]: When we say things look better. [1:03:52, 1:03:57]: They supposed to look better. We are paying for it to look better. [1:03:57, 1:04:05]: So let's not downgrade the fact that things are looking better. They're supposed to look better. We are paying for it to look better. [1:04:06, 1:04:12]: So I'm not getting caught up in where things are looking better. They're supposed to. We're paying for it. [1:04:13, 1:04:29]: And we're supposed to be about always improving because there's always room for improvement. So we have to ask the question. We had to come here and discuss. I'm not upset about anything. My tone may think so, but this is what we're supposed to do. [1:04:29, 1:04:35]: We're supposed to ask the question. We supposed to get into these things to make sure we are getting the best. [1:04:37, 1:04:47]: Because we take an oath when we run for office. This is what we sign up for. We want to make sure that we get the best here in the city of Thybury. We want this city to look great. [1:04:48, 1:04:53]: So we have to push the envelope to make sure we're getting everything that we get. [1:04:54, 1:04:57]: So I just wanna say that and everybody's saying, Well yeah, it looks better. [1:04:58, 1:05:02]: It it should look better. It better look better. We'll pay for it. [1:05:03, 1:05:18]: So man, I just wanted to just put that out, but I'm gonna always, as an elected official, I'm gonna always poke, because I'm always pushing the needle for effectiveness and efficiency in every operation that we do. [1:05:19, 1:05:22]: And that's who I am and update this council know that. [1:05:22, 1:05:25]: Mayor, I yield back. Okay, no problem. Mr. Blount, you had another comment? [1:05:25, 1:05:30]: I just wanna say one of the things about me is that when I when I talk up here on this council [1:05:31, 1:05:32]: I talked from a place where [1:05:34, 1:05:35]: I've gotten the agenda. [1:05:36, 1:05:40]: I've talked to the department heads pertaining to the agenda. [1:05:41, 1:05:42]: And when I come up here [1:05:43, 1:05:46]: I'm at peace with whatever decision I make because I have talked to [1:05:47, 1:05:49]: The various department heads that are presented the agenda. [1:05:50, 1:05:54]: So when I talk to Mr. Aaron about [1:05:54, 1:05:57]: the agenda and he assured me that he's okay with it. [1:05:58, 1:05:59]: When we talk about [1:06:00, 1:06:03]: This landscaping for the city Stockbridge. [1:06:04, 1:06:08]: There's an inter interesting position we're in right now, so and I don't wanna go into that. [1:06:10, 1:06:16]: This is what I'm talking about. There's a lot of conversations that need to be had, I believe, by by this council. [1:06:17, 1:06:20]: behind closed doors with the department heads [1:06:20, 1:06:23]: Prior to coming to this council meeting. [1:06:24, 1:06:26]: Because some of them are so [1:06:27, 1:06:28]: Simple to answer. [1:06:29, 1:06:31]: But it prolongs [1:06:33, 1:06:36]: Issues and situations when we can have the answers. [1:06:37, 1:06:40]: Look at this council. Look at this chamber. [1:06:43, 1:06:45]: We don't have a whole bunch of citizens up in here. [1:06:46, 1:06:53]: Because we'd be here all night because we're asking simple questions that could be answered. And I'm not belittling any of my councilmates. I'm saying for John Blount. [1:06:54, 1:07:05]: I talk to city manager and I talk to staff because the city manager is okay with any s department head that are not doing their job, then we deal with the city manager. [1:07:06, 1:07:13]: There's a process in place for us to deal with the staff that we need to deal with to get the results we want. [1:07:14, 1:07:18]: Everything doesn't happen right here, but a lot could be done prior to coming right here. [1:07:19, 1:07:21]: So I just say, you know [1:07:22, 1:07:23]: This is the [1:07:24, 1:07:26]: This is a small increase for [1:07:27, 1:07:28]: Um any business. [1:07:30, 1:07:33]: for what we're doing. And when we talk see, we we can't have it both ways. [1:07:34, 1:07:37]: Do you want competitive bidding and and and contract them three years out? [1:07:38, 1:07:50]: Or do you want a competitive bid and just contract them twelve years and keep what what you know, that's that gets confusing for everybody. Do we want to contract the the the the people for three years out to make sure we got the right bid in? [1:07:50, 1:08:00]: All these things come into play, but it push Mr. Aaron, it puts other department heads in a procurement's position because okay, what do I do? Because I'm almost damned if I do and damned if I don't. [1:08:01, 1:08:04]: So for me, for me. [1:08:05, 1:08:11]: I ask the questions, I get the answers, and I'm able to make a sound decision when I sit up here at this seat. [1:08:12, 1:08:18]: And I'm not here to l to belittle anybody up here. That's just me. I ask the questions. [1:08:19, 1:08:21]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. [1:08:21, 1:08:29]: Let let me say this and and and and I understand where you come from, Mr. Blount, but I I'm not I'm not going to be hypocritical. [1:08:30, 1:08:33]: Now you just make a statement about you deal with staff beforehand. [1:08:34, 1:08:37]: The last item that we talked about, the precinct. [1:08:39, 1:08:42]: You drew, you drew, you drew, you drill. [1:08:43, 1:08:45]: And I'm okay with that. [1:08:45, 1:09:05]: No, I'm addressing I'm just addressing the council. Okay, well I'm just saying well I I use your name because you were the one to ask the question. Okay. Let me address the mayor then. Okay. Go ahead. In the previous agenda item [1:09:06, 1:09:08]: Council members drill. [1:09:08, 1:09:12]: the presenter about the precinct. [1:09:13, 1:09:17]: I'm okay with that because each one of us here [1:09:17, 1:09:23]: has the rights and the authority to ask whatever question they want to ask. [1:09:24, 1:09:26]: But I'm just saying [1:09:27, 1:09:33]: When you say one thing and do another thing, then that's what I have a problem with. [1:09:34, 1:09:43]: So I was okay when when the Madam Clerk was presenting and the city attorney were presenting about the voting and the districts. [1:09:44, 1:09:49]: And there were several questions. Now those questions could have been asked offline as well. [1:09:50, 1:09:52]: But I I just want to be able to say [1:09:53, 1:10:08]: I'm okay when anybody up here on this diet asks any question they want. And it happens all the time. There have been agenda items that have been presented and there has been question after question after question after question after question. [1:10:09, 1:10:16]: But I'm not going to chastise any council person for asking all of the questions until they are satisfied. [1:10:17, 1:10:19]: So I'm just saying. [1:10:20, 1:10:36]: Let's think about what we say what what we say. But I'm just saying, I'm okay with anybody asking any question they want. I know we have speaking rules and I know we're only supposed to speak on the subject for a couple of minutes or a couple of times. [1:10:36, 1:10:37]: But I'm just saying [1:10:38, 1:10:49]: Let's think about what we're saying and what we're being critical of. Because I can point to a number of occasions where council members just drill, drill, drill, drill, drill. [1:10:50, 1:10:51]: But again [1:10:51, 1:10:59]: I'm gonna still ask my questions. I'm gonna still voice my opinion because all of us have a right to do just that. [1:11:01, 1:11:21]: All right. I yield back, Mr. Okay, I appreciate it. So on that note, I think uh we had enough discussion on on these items thus far. So let's let's see what what have where we go with this now. So um the motion well uh uh he's made Mr. Aaron's made a presentation, so let's let's see what's happening here. Is there a motion to go ahead and accept this proposal? [1:11:21, 1:11:23]: What what's the deal though? [1:11:23, 1:11:25]: Mayor Ford, I like to make a motion. [1:11:26, 1:11:27]: And what's that motion plan? [1:11:27, 1:11:31]: Um I'd like for us to um [1:11:32, 1:11:38]: Reject the renewal of this landscaping maintenance service contract for Yellowstone. [1:11:40, 1:11:41]: Entire staff. [1:11:42, 1:11:42]: With [1:11:42, 1:11:43]: Rebidding. [1:11:44, 1:11:45]: Readvertising. [1:11:46, 1:11:47]: For this landscaping. [1:11:47, 1:11:49]: Maintenance service contract. [1:11:49, 1:11:54]: The current contract with Yellowstone does not expire until September thirtieth. [1:11:56, 1:11:58]: So we test staff now. [1:11:58, 1:11:59]: With rebidding. [1:12:01, 1:12:02]: This particular service. [1:12:03, 1:12:04]: They are to bring back. [1:12:05, 1:12:08]: The recommendation to award a new contract [1:12:09, 1:12:11]: by our [1:12:14, 1:12:15]: August work session. [1:12:17, 1:12:28]: All right, is there a second to that motion? I second. Okay, the um now Mr. Al Mr. Uh uh Thomas second that motion. Um Madam Clerk, did you get all that down? [1:12:32, 1:12:34]: Right read read it back to make sure we got it right. [1:12:34, 1:12:43]: The motion by Mayor Pro Tem Barber is to reject the renewal for this contract and task staff with rebidding. [1:12:43, 1:12:44]: And readvertising. [1:12:45, 1:12:50]: With the contract with the contract expiring September thirtieth. [1:12:51, 1:12:53]: And bring back to council. [1:12:53, 1:12:56]: to award at the August work session. [1:12:57, 1:13:00]: Is that your motion, Miss Is that your motion, Ms. Barber? [1:13:01, 1:13:02]: Is that your motion, Ms. Barber? [1:13:03, 1:13:08]: I want to change one the last part. Instead of them bringing it back at our work session. [1:13:09, 1:13:12]: I like to task them to bring it back at the August council meeting. [1:13:12, 1:13:13]: Okay. [1:13:13, 1:13:16]: Is is that okay with you, Councilman Thomas? [1:13:17, 1:13:19]: Uh circuit. [1:13:20, 1:13:20]: Amen to your heart. [1:13:21, 1:13:21]: Thank you. [1:13:22, 1:13:30]: Mayor I have a question. Well stand by one second, please. Okay, m madam clerk, you you got all that? I do, Mayor. The motion is made in a second. Further discussion. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [1:13:31, 1:13:35]: So if this fails, then we're going to approve [1:13:35, 1:13:40]: This because she's she's making a motion for a no vote. [1:13:40, 1:13:45]: So then we're dealing with this agenda item because we have not. [1:13:45, 1:13:54]: approved to add an agenda item. So her approval for a no, meaning that we could come to this agenda, then if it's if it doesn't pass, [1:13:54, 1:13:56]: Then this agenda item passes. [1:13:57, 1:13:59]: You can't motion to say no. [1:14:00, 1:14:11]: Well if you wanna mo because we're on it mister Mr uh Mr. Washington. Because this is the agenda item. We didn't we didn't approve a new agenda. So if s if we're on this agenda item we say no. [1:14:12, 1:14:16]: Then if it doesn't pass and there's a yes vote, then this agenda item must pass then. [1:14:17, 1:14:19]: Yeah, let me deal with the attorney. [1:14:19, 1:14:19]: Yeah. [1:14:20, 1:14:21]: Ms. Washington? [1:14:22, 1:14:23]: Come come to mic, please, sir. [1:14:27, 1:14:28]: You have a motion to reject. [1:14:30, 1:14:33]: No no i y are you speaking of the agenda item? [1:14:33, 1:14:45]: R prior to that, the the agenda item that's before the agenda item that we're on right now is is item number s number seven. To approve the renewal. To approve the renewal, that's correct. [1:14:46, 1:14:46]: Okay. [1:14:47, 1:14:48]: Mm-hmm. [1:14:50, 1:14:58]: Council consideration to increase the you're on seven. Okay. Council consideration to approve the renewal of landscape maintenance services contract. [1:14:59, 1:15:15]: Right. So that's the agenda item before. That's correct. However, there was a motion put on the floor to reject this item. That's correct. Which is the same thing as voting down the item. That's correct. So if you want to vote for the item or against the item, if you want to take it in the form in which it's being presented by Councilman Barber, [1:15:16, 1:15:20]: You would vote yes to reject it, which would still be voting for no to accept it. [1:15:21, 1:15:22]: So if you vote [1:15:22, 1:15:26]: In the way the stem of her question is posed. [1:15:26, 1:15:28]: you'll be voting to reject it. [1:15:28, 1:15:35]: Right. And that means it would not pass. That's correct. Now the separate the second part of that question you have, Madam Clerk, is what? [1:15:37, 1:15:46]: No, I think what I asked. My question was because this agenda item is before us, if she's posing her vote as a motion. [1:15:46, 1:15:51]: And her vote doesn't pass, then it's a general item goes forward. Is that correct? [1:15:52, 1:15:54]: No, it'd be rejected. It'd be rejected. [1:15:54, 1:15:58]: Do that. If her if her motion doesn't go forward. If it's not seconded. [1:15:58, 1:16:00]: Well it's gonna be what second then. Right. [1:16:01, 1:16:03]: But now it has to pass. Right. [1:16:03, 1:16:04]: Okay. [1:16:04, 1:16:08]: So if it passes, if your her motion is to vote no. [1:16:08, 1:16:13]: So the people that raise their hands will be voting no, which means they'd be voting to reject. [1:16:13, 1:16:15]: Item number seven on the agenda. That's correct. [1:16:18, 1:16:18]: Well [1:16:19, 1:16:19]: To reject [1:16:20, 1:16:38]: But if we vote but I'm saying if it passes if if it doesn't pass, does it sweat go go ahead, Miss Blount, finish it? Right. If you don't the people that raise their hands will be voting to reject renewing this. Right. If that does not pass [1:16:38, 1:16:42]: then they will have voted to accept it. Gotcha. [1:16:43, 1:16:47]: All right. Motion's been made, been second. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:16:48, 1:16:50]: All polls. [1:16:51, 1:17:11]: All right, then I'll break then I break a tie. So I'm I'm I'm I actually oppose uh oppose the actual motion to reject I oppose the motion that that was made. Reject we need to go forward with this particular motion. Mayor. Yes sir. Let's move. Let's I got a question for Mr. Aaron, then I'm gonna make a motion for approval. Mr Aaron now uh m Councilman Thomas made a valid point. [1:17:10, 1:17:25]: Now, Yellowstone is not responsible for cutting back all these uh all this overgrown overgrowth out here, right? That's a s that would be a separate contract where we get somebody to come in and cut these trees back that have overgrown for the last ten years, right? [1:17:26, 1:17:46]: There is trimming in the trimming. I'm talking about no, these don't need to be trimmed. They need to be cut down. But there are also some trees that staff cut down as well. Right. These these trape myrtles need to be cut back down to nothing and then allowed to grow back. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about cutting a little off the wires. I'm talking about all of them. All of these. [1:17:46, 1:18:06]: These bushes around City Hall being cut back. That's what I'm talking about. Yes. Stamped. So that's what I'm saying. His issue is valid. It needs to be dealt with. There needs to be a separate contractor to take care and cut back all of these bushes because it looks like a forest out here. Right. So if staff can do it, we need somebody. Well, we've been [1:18:06, 1:18:22]: Talking about it for a long time. Now I want to make that a part of my motion for approval to get to t to make sure staff makes that happen, to get these trees cut back as well. I want to make a motion to approve the contract as approved by staff. [1:18:22, 1:18:42]: An additional condition would be that these that we get a contractor to cut back these trees out here and get this other situation under control because Councilman Thomas has a valid point which is those trees have not been cut. But I don't think that's Yellowstone's responsibility. [1:18:43, 1:18:50]: And I need to ask the attorney this question. Uh Councilman Tom I'm sorry, Councilman Alexander, you're putting in your motion [1:18:51, 1:18:55]: For staff to do something that's tagged on to the [1:18:56, 1:18:59]: No, uh the i it is tasking staff with an ad [1:18:59, 1:18:59]: Separate. [1:19:00, 1:19:20]: Director as well. If I think I think what he's doing that on to the Yo song he can't do that. It's a separate director. So my Let's never mind. I will draw that. We'll move forward. Let's make a motion to approve what's on the table so we can go ahead and move forward. [1:19:20, 1:19:27]: So your motion is sir to approved approved approved was presented by Deshes. Yes. Okay, is there a second to that motion? [1:19:28, 1:19:42]: No, no, we've already voted, man. No, no, no sir. No sir. We we we we've got another vote. The motion make your motion again, please. Motion to approve the recommendation for to extend Yellowstone's contract for an additional year need a approval vote. [1:19:42, 1:19:50]: Is there a second to that motion? We just we just have to do that. No, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Point of order. [1:19:50, 1:19:53]: Our city attorney just told us. [1:19:53, 1:19:55]: With the motion by Councilwoman Barber. [1:19:57, 1:20:17]: And Mayor uh and uh uh Mr. Thomas, if they vote to not accept, we can vote our hands to accept, and that gives you the vote to say that's what he just told us. No, it's not not quite what he said, sir. It's we quit. Come back up here because we gotta have another vote to move this. That's correct. It's not no no no sir. [1:20:17, 1:20:19]: You gotta have it we gotta have another vote. [1:20:21, 1:20:25]: Just tell us the make this we gotta may have a vote to move it forward, right? [1:20:26, 1:20:29]: So to Councilman Blount, what I did say is that if [1:20:29, 1:20:30]: You vote it. [1:20:30, 1:20:40]: No, if you did not raise your hands to vote no for the stem of the question that Councilwoman Barber passed, that the reverse would actually happen. [1:20:40, 1:20:42]: So she voted to reject it. [1:20:42, 1:20:46]: You all did not vote to reject this. [1:20:46, 1:20:52]: You all did not vote to reject item number seven. So in essence you accepted it. [1:20:52, 1:21:12]: Because the call of question was to reject it. So if you don't reject it, you accept it. But if you want to clarify it and actually have the vote to vote for this, then the chair has that right to I just want to make sure there ain't gonna be no legal we gotta go back through this again because somebody didn't say the chair has that prerogative to call for okay a clarifying vote, which he's doing to say [1:21:12, 1:21:14]: I wanna just make sure that they [1:21:14, 1:21:15]: That the people that voted [1:21:16, 1:21:17]: Against [1:21:17, 1:21:19]: That the people that voted. [1:21:19, 1:21:22]: Against Councilman's barber's motion. [1:21:23, 1:21:27]: of voting for the approval of this contract. He can he have that right to clarify that. [1:21:29, 1:21:29]: All right. [1:21:30, 1:21:50]: So yes, by action of what y'all did, y'all did accept it, but he wants to clarify that. And he's calling for a vote to clarify that to see if the people that did not vote because her motion did did not pass, to see if the people that did not vote for the motion that did not pass will vote to accept item number seven. Yeah, mayor. I just want to make sure. Hold on, hold on, point of order. [1:21:50, 1:21:53]: Point of order. What's your point of order? [1:21:53, 1:21:55]: Because the clarity was put forth. [1:21:57, 1:22:14]: The clarity was put forth. The vote has gone forth. Now to put the vote out again in a different way. The way this council is structured, a simple abstention can kill the vote again. You shouldn't give nobody a chance to vote no twice to make something fail. [1:22:15, 1:22:35]: I was gonna say I'm giving the chair, the chair has the right. He's already said he accepted. He's already made that statement. That's his call. Okay. Stand by. Mr. S are you done, sir? I I just have one question. Go ahead, Mr. S. I just wanted you to go on the record right now. Mr. Blount, he seems to have a valid point. So if in addition to what you just said. [1:22:35, 1:22:49]: Yellowstone now can move forward with this one-year contract based on the last vote. Is that what you just said? Yes. We're done then. Okay, then if that's if that is legally proper, then so be it. That will be move on. The motion. [1:22:50, 1:23:10]: Sir, I got a question. So stand by. I'm not done with my comment. If that is leg if that's legally possible, that's the legal way to do things by Roberts Rule order, so be it. Then that means this particular uh number seven uh motion uh actually passes by virtue of what was done, and then we'll move on and uh and Yellowstone will have that that particular contract will continue. [1:23:09, 1:23:15]: move on. Go ahead, Mayor. Thank you. Mayor Pro Tem go ahead. This is a completely different motion. [1:23:16, 1:23:19]: The motion that councilman Alexander made. [1:23:19, 1:23:22]: Included a directive to staff. [1:23:23, 1:23:28]: Two completely different motions. No, he'd do that. I had a that I made [1:23:29, 1:23:32]: Was to reject staff's recommendation. [1:23:32, 1:23:35]: to approve the renewal of the contract. [1:23:35, 1:23:36]: Mm-hmm. [1:23:36, 1:23:37]: And to rebid it. [1:23:38, 1:23:39]: His motion. [1:23:40, 1:23:43]: was to approve staff's recommendation. [1:23:44, 1:23:45]: With a directive. [1:23:46, 1:23:51]: Ta task someone with cutting down some trees. Those are two different [1:23:51, 1:23:52]: Separate motions. [1:23:52, 1:24:01]: Right. Well they should be handled separately. Right. This motion there needs to be a vote called for to cut down the trees. [1:24:01, 1:24:02]: Right. [1:24:02, 1:24:15]: He he withdrew that the clerk has is to vote to approve because my attendance councilwoman Alexander withdrew when they asked whether or not it was an additional item to have a staff directive about the trees, which I said it was. [1:24:16, 1:24:19]: So at that point he said he will withdraw that and he was motioning to approve. [1:24:20, 1:24:24]: the item number seven for acceptance. Okay, well Mayor Ford, call for the vote. [1:24:25, 1:24:45]: Mayor Ford just has decided since by taking a legal opinion from the attorney in reference to the previous vote that was taken. Actually we have now accepted uh number seven and and and land and uh yellowstone will have that contract. We'll move on. I I I've made my comment, Mayor Pro Tem. He hasn't even called for the vote. I made my comment. I leave I made it my [1:24:45, 1:25:05]: So stand by, stand by. I made my comment. Hold on. No, what he is trying to avoid, he's a trying to avoid having a two he's trying to avoid having two people to approve the renewal of this contract, one person abstaining and another person opposing it. That way he won't go. [1:25:05, 1:25:06]: Yeah. [1:25:06, 1:25:26]: Well, call for the vote. As Roberts rule requires that you do. Okay. That's not that's that's the mayor's voice. Who call for the vote? Otherwise, this whole motion is illegal. Stand by folks, stand by. I got a legal opinion. Everybody heard it. I asked the attorney, got a legal opinion. I said [1:25:26, 1:25:29]: Washington needs to state his opinion again because he's not. [1:25:30, 1:25:40]: Decision's been made. We're gonna move on. This motion has passed based on a legal opinion based on vote. Otherwise we're moving on. We're going on to an item number eight. [1:25:41, 1:26:01]: Council consideration to approve the request for proposal. The whole motion was illegal. Calm down. The whole motion was illegal. Mayor Pro Tem, calm down, we please. You're not gonna get this way this time. Your vote was illegal and I want it for the record. Okay, you can put it in the record, but it's not illegal. Okay. I just want to make it. [1:26:01, 1:26:04]: Okay. [1:26:04, 1:26:06]: I [1:26:07, 1:26:08]: Po point of order mill for it. [1:26:10, 1:26:13]: And I and I'm I'm not gonna get too too deep into this, but [1:26:16, 1:26:22]: This we have to do things correctly and properly. What's what's uncorrect, sir? [1:26:25, 1:26:27]: And I want the attorney t the attorney to come back. [1:26:29, 1:26:39]: Well, I I'm just trying to get clarification myself on this last action that was just taken. So I I just wanna make sure that [1:26:40, 1:26:41]: It is legal. [1:26:41, 1:26:43]: Because we do not want to [1:26:44, 1:26:49]: do anything that's illegal and improper as far as the way we vote. [1:26:49, 1:26:57]: So if if you had one abstention and you had a a a vote no. [1:26:57, 1:27:07]: Then does that allow the mayor to vote? And that just just a simple question and a simple answer. It's just a yes or no. The mayor votes in case of a tie. It has to be two two. [1:27:07, 1:27:08]: So i is this a time? [1:27:09, 1:27:09]: Well. [1:27:10, 1:27:29]: The last action where you had one council member voted no and you had one to abstain. Is that a top? No, no, what the vote came. Nobody's gonna say, No, no, no, must no no what happened. On a previous motion that mayor protest made it was two two. No, I'm I'm saying on the original motion about Yellowstone. [1:27:30, 1:27:39]: It was the the oh I'll tell you what, the clerk. The original motion that was made in reference to it number seven of Yellowstone. And and the vote. And the vote. It was what was the what was the motion? What was the vote? [1:27:42, 1:27:44]: Right. Well, [1:27:44, 1:27:49]: Well it was a two two type. And then I I and I I'm sorry, take away the one. [1:27:50, 1:27:51]: Right. [1:27:53, 1:27:55]: Bro I broke the tie. [1:27:56, 1:27:58]: That's right, the motion. [1:27:59, 1:27:59]: That's correct. [1:28:01, 1:28:02]: That's correct. [1:28:02, 1:28:03]: But [1:28:04, 1:28:05]: When you say two two [1:28:07, 1:28:08]: Well you didn't [1:28:08, 1:28:19]: You keep talking about the vote count of the motion I made. We're talking about the motion that Councilman Alexander made. [1:28:20, 1:28:23]: My mind. Madame Clerk, please. [1:28:25, 1:28:28]: This is why that's in attorney Washington. [1:28:28, 1:28:29]: Go ahead. [1:28:30, 1:28:30]: Yeah. [1:28:32, 1:28:34]: I'm sorry, the item on the agenda. [1:28:35, 1:28:48]: Is council consideration to approve the renewal of the landscape main landscape maintenance services contract for Yellow Cow in the amount of$327,000 on your contract. That is what is on the agenda. [1:28:50, 1:28:52]: What was the vote? [1:28:52, 1:28:57]: voted to reject the renewal not that and [1:28:59, 1:29:02]: Next step with [1:29:03, 1:29:05]: Put it out to read it and [1:29:08, 1:29:10]: No mayor for [1:29:14, 1:29:16]: And second of Bible castle. [1:29:16, 1:29:17]: Second by Mr. Thomas. [1:29:19, 1:29:19]: Right. [1:29:22, 1:29:22]: Good. [1:29:24, 1:29:25]: Correct. [1:29:26, 1:29:27]: Opposed. [1:29:28, 1:29:30]: That's correct. Correct. [1:29:34, 1:29:38]: Correct. Correct? Correct. Which was to reject [1:29:39, 1:29:40]: Put it out for me. [1:29:42, 1:29:44]: and bring it back to the office meeting. [1:29:46, 1:30:01]: That Mayorfoot, that is correct. So all of that is dead and gone. So it goes back now to the original agenda item about Yellowstone and what is that vote? That's all I'm asking in my point of order. What is the vote to [1:30:02, 1:30:06]: approve or disapprove the Yellowstone agenda item. [1:30:06, 1:30:10]: [5411.4, 5412.8]: Male Pro Tem [1:30:13, 1:30:15]: That's dead. That's over. Yeah, I got this. Okay. [1:30:16, 1:30:22]: My question is, what is the vote on the original agenda item? [1:30:23, 1:30:35]: Agenda item number seven. Right, right. What is the original vote of record? Based on the legal opinion that the l listen what I'm saying. What is the vote? No, the vote. [1:30:36, 1:30:43]: what based on legal opinion from an attorney in reference to how the the the the actual original motion went [1:30:43, 1:30:53]: by it being that motion being rejected, that automatically by understanding legally, that automatically says that motion d that item number seven passes. [1:30:53, 1:30:57]: Is what he his legal opinion asked for a legal opinion by Robertson Roar passage. [1:30:58, 1:31:18]: No, that's that's let me say something. No, no, that's the floor. I still have the floor. That's and so if that's the case, that that mo that motion passes. I've taken had what a legal opinion would be and what by Roberts Rule order what would be legal in this and I asked that initially the first time before we went down this road. No, no. Okay. Clarification. Yes. The motion that Mayor Pro Tem made, yes. [1:31:17, 1:31:31]: Yes. It did not pass. It is dead. Right. Okay. We're all in agreement with that. Yes. So therefore, then it goes back to the original agenda item, which is number seven. [1:31:31, 1:31:42]: And what is that vote of record? Well based on based on legal opinion for the attorney that passes it passes. No, no, I'm asking three two. I'm I'm asking what is the vote [1:31:43, 1:32:03]: Uh I'm asking what is the vote on the original agenda item number seven? Because Mayor Pro Tem motion is dead and it is gone. But what is what is the original agenda item seven? What is the vote? That's all I'm asking. Okay, it was still. Okay, Mr. Tom. That's all I'm asking. It would still be a three. It would still be a three. [1:32:03, 1:32:03]: Three two. [1:32:04, 1:32:06]: It's a because when you're rejecting [1:32:06, 1:32:10]: So staff made a recommendation to [1:32:10, 1:32:13]: accept and extend the approval, right? [1:32:13, 1:32:18]: The motion that was put up here was to reject staff's determination. [1:32:19, 1:32:22]: If you don't reject staff's determination. [1:32:23, 1:32:25]: You accept staff determination. [1:32:25, 1:32:28]: Staff's determination was to extend the contract for a year. [1:32:30, 1:32:32]: Okay, quite sure. [1:32:33, 1:32:36]: Mr. I I appreciate you clarifying this. [1:32:36, 1:32:40]: Бикас ви канат циркен. Процес. [1:32:40, 1:32:59]: We cannot circumvent Mayor, can you please calm down, please. Calm down. Calm down. Go ahead, Mr. Blood. Calm down. Calm down, folks. Come on. Calm down. We can have any elected officials circumvent in the process to say, let me on any of these items, let me motion to vote. No. [1:32:59, 1:33:03]: Then if you do that, then you're voting to say, I need support for my no. [1:33:04, 1:33:05]: That's on any of these items. [1:33:05, 1:33:10]: And if you don't pass then, then let's go to another process. Let me try no again. [1:33:10, 1:33:12]: That's not how we work up here. [1:33:12, 1:33:17]: You don't motion to vote no, you either do it or you don't, and they got the no's. [1:33:17, 1:33:18]: It just didn't pass. [1:33:19, 1:33:24]: It's as simple as that. Right. But but here's the thing that here's the thing that you all can take solace in. [1:33:24, 1:33:26]: You all can still decide. [1:33:26, 1:33:46]: If you all as a body want to revisit or override, you can just vote to do that. And the chair will be compelled to if you have the votes to be able to do that. Like you still have the authority to be able to do that. But on that specific instance, it was literally a 3-2. If staff makes a recommendation and you put the stem of the question about the issue that's on the table, [1:33:46, 1:33:48]: Yeah. [1:33:48, 1:33:52]: That's the same as voting for a positive, the other side of the vote. [1:33:52, 1:33:55]: You have a yes or no. Everybody voted no. [1:33:55, 1:33:58]: On what Councilman Barber presented. [1:33:58, 1:34:02]: And in voting no on that, that was a yes to accept staff's recommendation. [1:34:03, 1:34:22]: Got it. And if the chair wants to clarify that vote, or if you all compel the chair to clarify that vote, then the vote would have to be clarified. You still have that authority. I have a comment. No, no, uh Mayor Ford. But go ahead, sir. I'm I'm just I'm look I'm seeking clarification. Yeah. I understand that when Mayor Pro Tem made a motion. [1:34:23, 1:34:29]: And it was voted down and the mayor,'cause it was a tie, and he voted on her motion. [1:34:30, 1:34:33]: Which was denied, correct. So that means that is dead. [1:34:33, 1:34:48]: Right. No, it means that you accepted because the item on the table was to vote up or down on the on the on the Yellowstone matter. Right? And but her form of the question was to vote. [1:34:48, 1:35:00]: Against the staff recommendation. That was her form of the question. Instead of saying, I approve the Yellowstone thing and the hands go up, she said, I want you to vote no on the Yellowstone. All hands in favor go up. [1:35:01, 1:35:03]: But the hands that didn't vote no [1:35:03, 1:35:21]: That's a yes for the acceptance of the agenda item because remember, the agenda items gonna only go up or down or or get tabled. Right. See, this this this is this this is where the confusion is. Right. Because when Mayor Pro Tem motion died and the Mayor voted against that. [1:35:21, 1:35:23]: How does that then [1:35:24, 1:35:25]: Goes to [1:35:26, 1:35:27]: The original [1:35:28, 1:35:39]: Agenda item number seven. Because that was the original agenda item she was asking for. The original agenda item she was asking for was to vote no on staff's recommendation regarding number seven. [1:35:40, 1:35:55]: So she's saying raise your hands to vote no versus most of the times when motions get presented is raise your hands to vote yes. See that's not what I said. Okay, d this is my last comment. I'll be through with it. See, I'm what I'm trying to do, I'm trying to see how does the mayor [1:35:56, 1:36:04]: vote for agenda item seven just on its own. See even if even if the if even if the mayor pro temp did not make the motion. [1:36:05, 1:36:25]: How does then the mayor come and vote on agenda item number seven? Just like if it would have been a two-two on the other side. But if it's not a if you have one council member voting no and you got one uh council member abstaining. You had a so you had a two-two. So if if the mayor would have said all those in favor of voting for the Yellowstone to get the contract raised. [1:36:25, 1:36:30]: your hand. Two people vote yes, two people vote no. The mayor will vote for a third one and he would be the time vote. [1:36:33, 1:36:33]: Right. [1:36:34, 1:36:35]: Right, exactly. [1:36:37, 1:36:41]: So you had you had two voting yes, you had one voting no and you had one vote. [1:36:43, 1:36:47]: I have a comment. Yeah. Two had two voting no. That's not a mirror. [1:36:48, 1:36:51]: Oh I I thought uh Mayor Pro T uh Stane. [1:36:51, 1:36:54]: Oh, okay. I have a comment. Okay. [1:36:54, 1:36:56]: Going with your comment. [1:36:58, 1:37:00]: My original motion failed. [1:37:02, 1:37:04]: A new motion came forward. [1:37:06, 1:37:08]: I'm still waiting for us to vote. [1:37:09, 1:37:10]: On the second motion. [1:37:11, 1:37:15]: You can twist the words, split my words as much as you want to. [1:37:15, 1:37:21]: And this is for you. Okay. You can split flip twist my words as much as you want to. [1:37:21, 1:37:24]: Each motion requires a vote. [1:37:25, 1:37:29]: You don't get to arbitrarily say because I rejected. [1:37:30, 1:37:30]: Um [1:37:31, 1:37:35]: c a staff's recommendation that now I'm gonna reject. [1:37:35, 1:37:36]: Another motion. [1:37:37, 1:37:39]: No one gets to decide that but me. [1:37:40, 1:37:42]: So until this motion. [1:37:42, 1:37:45]: as put has been put on the floor. [1:37:47, 1:37:49]: The city clerk can't [1:37:50, 1:37:54]: She can't note my vote'cause she doesn't know what my vote is. [1:37:56, 1:37:58]: So I'm still waiting. [1:37:58, 1:38:02]: for a vote. I'm still waiting to raise my hand to vote. [1:38:02, 1:38:07]: For this motion that counts mean Alexander brought forward. [1:38:07, 1:38:14]: You don't get to decide. I agree with you. You don't get to decide and he don't get to decide what my vote is. [1:38:16, 1:38:36]: Councilman Alexander redrew redrew whatever motion that was, you redrew that. It doesn't exist anymore. And what we're gonna move on. Right now the everything passes for seven. We'll do additional research. If it by chance that uh additional research shows that we did something that was improper, we'll bring it back. We've got to move on. The item is a go at this point. [1:38:36, 1:38:55]: seven is a go. We're going to number eight. Council consideration approved request for proposal RFP 2023-0003 for janitorial maintenance services to building services uh maintenance services incorporated an amount of 14142 dollars funding source government building department budget presented by mr please [1:38:56, 1:39:11]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. We come before you tonight to ask for your approval for building maintenance service. An RFP went out. There were five firms that submitted proposals. Uh there was an evaluation committee meeting held on April twenty-fourth, twenty twenty three. [1:39:12, 1:39:32]: And the uh firms were evaluated and scored, and building maintenance service was ranked as the first firm. And so staff is asking for approval to move their current janitorial contract from ICS to build and maintenance service in the amount of 100 and uh [1:39:32, 1:39:52]: $41,432. That's a$6,852 increase over what we were paying previously for janitorial services for all of the city's facilities. Thank you, sir. Mr. Aaron, it's gone through the proper RFP process, procurement process, and you all have identified the funding. [1:39:52, 1:39:56]: Yes, sir. So th for me if there's no more questions I'd like to approve it, man. [1:39:56, 1:40:00]: All right, you you make the motion to approve or so. Is there a second to approve the this particular item? [1:40:02, 1:40:14]: A little i this motion this um sort of for the put of the public, they need to understand exactly what they're getting um out of this here and then um talk about that a little bit more. [1:40:15, 1:40:35]: Uh yes, sir. This is for the um janitorial service and upkeep for all of the city's buildings except for the amphitheater. This would be City Hall, the police department of Merrill Manders, the main street offices, public works, the maintenance shop, and the wastewater treatment plant. And they would be performing COVID cleanings as was previously in the [1:40:35, 1:40:43]: Previous RFP. So they'll do their sanitizing and things of that sort for COVID. And also, like say [1:40:43, 1:41:03]: This was uh a contract that has expired. We're on a month-to-month, and we were requested to uh put it out for bid. So we've done that. We've done our due diligence. The committee has met and evaluated the firms, and this is the number one ranked file. So we've made it through the entire procurement. [1:41:03, 1:41:10]: Process you're bringing this recommendation forward for council to approve. Yes, sir. Thank you. All right, uh second. [1:41:10, 1:41:18]: Okay, motion of bay by Mr. Blount to approve this. Mr. Isaac a second that motion. Any further discussion? Go ahead, Mr. Thomas. [1:41:18, 1:41:19]: Yeah. [1:41:20, 1:41:31]: What I'm trying to understand is um it states here that public work department requesting council to approve of the ranking. [1:41:31, 1:41:51]: That one word that is what's what's confusing me. Um, because I'm I'm not understanding why the council is approving of ranking. If you're making a recommendation to approve one out of five, I can understand that. You you seem like you're asking us to approve of a ranking. [1:41:51, 1:42:11]: And I just I always thought that you know you and your staff would do that and based on that then you come forward with the recommendation. That's the language that procurement that's the language they gave us to present. But the number one rank firm is building maintenance service and we're asking council to [1:42:11, 1:42:15]: to approve awarding the contract to build and maintenance service. [1:42:18, 1:42:24]: It just seemed to be a little inconsistent. I'm sorry, I have my mic. It just seemed to be a little inconsistent. [1:42:25, 1:42:45]: I yield back, Mayor. Okay. Most yeah, Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. Uh yes. This was an issue that um was brought up last year. The governing body does not approve rankings of proposals. That is what staff does. Mr. Washington and Mr. Beery are were involved in that. [1:42:44, 1:42:50]: discussion I like for him to Mr. Washington if you don't mind addressing this I know the item [1:42:51, 1:42:52]: On the agenda [1:42:52, 1:42:53]: As it reads. [1:42:54, 1:42:56]: It says council consideration to approve. [1:42:57, 1:43:03]: the request for a proposal for janitorial maintenance services to building maintenance services. [1:43:03, 1:43:10]: in the amount of$141,432. But if you're looking at the agenda item that's in our [1:43:10, 1:43:10]: Notebook. [1:43:11, 1:43:15]: The background information says the public works department. [1:43:15, 1:43:17]: is requesting council's approval of the ranking. [1:43:17, 1:43:19]: Other qualified firms. [1:43:19, 1:43:22]: That's not a responsibility of the governing body. [1:43:22, 1:43:23]: So I just mean for you. [1:43:24, 1:43:25]: To clarify that for us. [1:43:31, 1:43:35]: Is this really a approval of a contract? [1:43:35, 1:43:38]: The approval of a ward of a contract. [1:43:38, 1:43:41]: Because if it is, the contract was not provided. [1:43:45, 1:43:52]: This is killed. This is the right thing. These are the parents. They've submitted. [1:43:55, 1:43:59]: Is that you hardly work? Like we have to build a main. [1:44:03, 1:44:10]: Perhaps Mr. Wiggins and Mr. Gardner can explain also. They signed this agenda item form. [1:44:10, 1:44:13]: They can provide some clarity to this. [1:44:20, 1:44:21]: Yeah. [1:44:24, 1:44:25]: Yeah. [1:44:26, 1:44:27]: Mm-hmm. [1:44:28, 1:44:29]: Okay. [1:44:31, 1:44:35]: Okay. [1:44:41, 1:44:46]: But where's what is uh contrast for for for uh building? [1:44:48, 1:44:53]: Isn't that what wasn't that given the time? I didn't have to give it to you. [1:44:54, 1:45:00]: You have a copy of the contract. [1:45:30, 1:45:33]: Can we table this item to the June council meeting? [1:45:34, 1:45:51]: You want a table to sign them? Yes, I'm and a reasoning for table and is what no? Um Mayor Pro Tem Barber said a contract is not in here, but hold on, so hold hold on to stand by standby a sec. Okay, it's one sec. You you're saying because Mayor Pro Tem said there's contracts not here and that's why you table and sign'em? [1:45:52, 1:46:00]: If if counsel wanna look at the con I have asked for clarity and the four of y'all gathered here but nobody answered my question. [1:46:01, 1:46:14]: I asked, what is it that you're asking council to do? Is this the approval of a contract award? Yes, ma'am. If this is the approval of a contract award, you would think this council would want a copy of the contract before they approved it. [1:46:14, 1:46:18]: Otherwise the item as it is written on the agenda. [1:46:19, 1:46:23]: It says for council consideration to approve request for proposal. [1:46:24, 1:46:29]: twenty twenty three dash zero zero three for janitorial maintenance services to the building maintenance. [1:46:29, 1:46:32]: But then if you look at the agenda item. [1:46:32, 1:46:39]: It says the public works department is requesting counsel approval of the ranking of the qualified firms for the request for proposal. [1:46:39, 1:46:45]: I just need for Mr. Gardner, the city manager or the treasurer who's over procurement. [1:46:45, 1:46:49]: somebody to tell me what is it that you're asking from the governing body. [1:46:52, 1:47:02]: Okay. There he is. Oh hold stand by please. Ms. Mrs. Garner, go ahead and answer the question. You don't know by now? Mrs. Garner, please. Go ahead and speak, sir. Mr. Garner. [1:47:04, 1:47:12]: Ms. Garden. Councilmember Barber is correct. So if you're approving the rankings, you're just saying that we're approving the firm that was that that won. [1:47:13, 1:47:16]: But you're not approving the contract'cause the contract is not a uh not attached. [1:47:17, 1:47:20]: There should be it should be the motion should be to approve [1:47:20, 1:47:22]: D contract. [1:47:22, 1:47:26]: per the rankings and have the contract attached to the agenda. [1:47:27, 1:47:36]: Okay. So based on that, uh council, your minimum for this to be tabled and have this come back in June. Yeah. Let me see. So yes, sir. [1:47:37, 1:47:38]: We we're talking somatics. [1:47:39, 1:47:41]: On the actual on the actual gender item. [1:47:42, 1:47:45]: Whip the verbiage on the agenda item. [1:47:46, 1:47:49]: Right here's what we're what we're looking to approve. [1:47:50, 1:47:52]: The verbiage on the agenda item, what does that say? [1:47:53, 1:48:02]: Well I read it earlier it's read earlier in reference to request for proposal, but um Yeah, but that's nothing pertaining to ranking on here. If if if you want to put in a motion [1:48:02, 1:48:08]: With a contingency to redo the verbiage, that's one thing, but we can't why are we holding up progress? [1:48:08, 1:48:16]: Offer something that could be fixed. Put that contingency into motion. Yeah, let me okay. Let me Mr. Um Erin, when's this contract due? [1:48:17, 1:48:28]: We're currently on a a month to month agreement with our current provider. So if we delay this for until June, how would that affect this contract? We just pay the current provider an additional month. [1:48:29, 1:48:29]: Okay. [1:48:30, 1:48:33]: But let me just follow up on that. [1:48:34, 1:48:35]: Here's the thing with me. [1:48:36, 1:48:37]: This council [1:48:39, 1:48:39]: I mean [1:48:40, 1:48:41]: We're talking somatics. [1:48:42, 1:48:52]: You got identified funding for the project. We trust, Mr. Aaron, that you brought it forth to us. You say this person was the qualify went through the procurement project qualified. [1:48:53, 1:48:58]: You just go change the go change the process and and move this move it forward. What I mean. [1:48:59, 1:49:06]: Why are we delaying this to come back to prolong another council meeting? Either we vote for it or we don't. Put the contingency in there. [1:49:07, 1:49:09]: I'd like to make a motion right now. [1:49:09, 1:49:18]: I like to make a motion to approve it with the with the contingency in place to change the verbiage. You have a motion on the floor with the taken already. By who? [1:49:19, 1:49:30]: Good, read the motion back and who is the motion was by you, Mr. Blount, seconded by Mr. Alexander. Okay. And then it went into discussion. Well I need to add to that motion if you would like, s before we vote. [1:49:30, 1:49:33]: Just good you can make an amendment, sir. [1:49:33, 1:49:34]: I'd like to miss it. [1:49:35, 1:49:36]: To include [1:49:37, 1:49:41]: to passes this motion with the contendency with the contingency. [1:49:41, 1:49:43]: That the verbiage is changed. [1:49:44, 1:49:52]: from ranking to what the ver to reflect what we're voting on pertaining to our um uh um agenda. [1:49:54, 1:49:57]: All right, so you you amend that motion. Mr. you still second that motion? [1:49:58, 1:50:18]: understand this and and I and I want somebody to understand is that we're approving this contract which is the funding has been identified and we're trying to move this forward. Now there's a legitimate gripe that the contract was not attached. Would I have read the contract anyway? No, I would not [1:50:18, 1:50:38]: I would have allowed the staff to do what they do, approving the contract, moving forward. That's their job. I I don't have fifty hours in the day to read every contract. I have a life to live and things to do. So I can't read all of these contracts with a hundred pages in it and live a life. I have to trust the staff in order to do that. [1:50:38, 1:50:58]: See how we do that and our and have a life at the same time. Now, I do want to, my hesitancy is slowing things up. And I don't want to get into the personal dispute. This is what's going on now. We this is personal between council members up here. It ain't got nothing to do with the staff. And I'm not trying to get drawn into [1:50:58, 1:51:00]: [6660.7, 6680.7]: I'm all about progress for the city. I don't care if it's Mr. Blount's idea, your idea, Mar Pro Tem, or Councilman Thomas' idea. The idea is this is going to pass, whether it passes tonight or at the next meeting. What difference does it make? We've wasted about 30 minutes talking about something that could be [1:51:20, 1:51:40]: Passed. If it's not passed tonight, it's gonna be passed at the next meeting with the contract attached to it. So then in that case, we gotta move forward, or we can play these games and we can move forward and not have a vote. Well, it's like this. I I'll just poll the council members. Do you want to vote on this item or not? I asked the council to poll ourselves. [1:51:40, 1:52:00]: Before we just move forward with it, I don't want to go through these semantics of trying to dodge the vote. Is everybody on board or not? Well, what it amounts to the motion's been made. I asked you whether or not you were amended second the amendment motion Mr. Blount made and you want to make a comment. So I I'm willing to second the motion because I want to move forward with progress. So you [1:52:00, 1:52:08]: Second the motion. So, one well, how about this? All right, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. Comment. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I have a comment. Go ahead, sir. [1:52:10, 1:52:15]: I I I keep hearing council members say they don't care. [1:52:16, 1:52:18]: How the contract reads. [1:52:21, 1:52:33]: That's irresponsible. Hold on. Point of order. Point of order. I did not point of order. I did not say I did not care. I said I trusted staff in order to do the work. [1:52:34, 1:52:38]: If I am asked to vote on something [1:52:40, 1:52:53]: And we say this all the time, we want to know what we're voting on. It's not a matter of whether you trust the staff bringing something forward. It's incumbent upon each and every one of us to have knowledge and to know. [1:52:54, 1:53:09]: This is why we received this this book here, so we can read. So we will know. But I I just want to go back to a couple things here, what I said earlier. And and and and and tonight proves my point about [1:53:09, 1:53:11]: Effectiveness. [1:53:11, 1:53:13]: Efficiency [1:53:14, 1:53:15]: Accountability. [1:53:16, 1:53:17]: Процес [1:53:18, 1:53:20]: And contract awareness. [1:53:21, 1:53:30]: And I say this all the time, but tonight proves my point on all of this. And this is why we're having all of these arguments because [1:53:32, 1:53:35]: Things are not coming to this council. [1:53:35, 1:53:41]: In an effective manner, we're not doing business in an effective manner, an efficient manner. [1:53:41, 1:53:43]: There's no accountability. [1:53:44, 1:53:52]: There's no process. The process is what one meeting the process is like this. The next meeting, the process is like that. [1:53:52, 1:53:53]: Come on. [1:53:54, 1:54:02]: It should be one consistent process and if you follow the process, then we can go through the buildings of the city. [1:54:03, 1:54:04]: Efficiently. [1:54:05, 1:54:06]: And effectively. [1:54:07, 1:54:15]: But when you do not adhere to one set process, you're gonna have what you have tonight. And that's the problem right there. [1:54:16, 1:54:36]: Oh let me let me get a response. Let's let's go ahead. We get we have a motion. I just got one response. Listen, I'm about results. If if if the process is flawed, I certainly understand your contention that the contract needs to be attached uh to what's going on here. Is there an assertion that these monies are being misappropriate? [1:54:35, 1:54:54]: appropriate it or that the staff is not doing something untoward. I don't feel that way. So yes, I do lean toward moving it forward. If not, I don't see a problem with waiting to the next meeting if that is your only contention and you want the contract. Will you vote for it if it's delayed to the next meeting? [1:54:54, 1:54:55]: Mayor Protein? [1:54:56, 1:55:05]: You see the contract and it's delayed to the next meeting. Will you vote for it? Is that what you because I don't want to waste any more time doing this? Will you vote for it when you see the contract? [1:55:06, 1:55:26]: I'm asking you. She's right. You're supposed to really address the as chair. All right. Are you finished with comments? I'm finished with my comment. I wanna I'm just saying we could move on from this if I understand that that would be the case. If that's the case, if that's the only contention, I will give you that right to move it to the next meeting and then allow the contract to be read. [1:55:26, 1:55:29]: I don't want to waste any more time on pettiness. [1:55:30, 1:55:34]: Okay, Mary Pro Tem, make this the last comment so we can move on. Go ahead. So [1:55:34, 1:55:38]: I've been saying the exact same thing for three years and [1:55:38, 1:55:39]: Six months now. [1:55:40, 1:55:42]: I will not approve anything. [1:55:43, 1:55:45]: Without supporting documents. [1:55:45, 1:55:48]: I don't over rely on staff for anything. [1:55:50, 1:55:51]: The residents voted. [1:55:52, 1:55:52]: For me. [1:55:53, 1:55:54]: For you. [1:55:54, 1:55:58]: Each of us individually, they expect that you will be fiscally responsible. [1:55:59, 1:56:04]: They expect that you will do your due diligence and act in their best interest. [1:56:04, 1:56:13]: I don't care how busy I am, I make time to read. I make time to ask questions too. As many as I need to, as often as I need to. [1:56:14, 1:56:16]: Even when y'all cut me off. [1:56:16, 1:56:19]: I will ask my questions, I'll make my statements here. [1:56:20, 1:56:22]: Procurement has been an issue since I've been here. [1:56:23, 1:56:26]: I have constantly had to ask the same questions. [1:56:27, 1:56:30]: None of them still have not answered my questions. [1:56:31, 1:56:34]: The governing body's responsibility is not to approve rankings. [1:56:35, 1:56:37]: That is something that was addressed previously. [1:56:38, 1:56:41]: I asked Mr Um Attorney Washington [1:56:41, 1:56:42]: To address that. [1:56:44, 1:56:45]: He still hasn't. [1:56:46, 1:56:49]: If you're asking me to approve a contract tonight, I will not. [1:56:50, 1:56:51]: But if it is provided to the council. [1:56:52, 1:56:55]: Before our next meeting, I will review the contract. [1:56:55, 1:56:58]: If I have concerns about it, I won't vote for it. [1:56:58, 1:57:01]: But I need to be able to review it myself. [1:57:01, 1:57:12]: Y'all can sigh, huff, and puff all you want. Every time there is a procurement item on this agenda, you best believe I will do my due diligence on my own. [1:57:13, 1:57:17]: I do not and will not over rely on staff for nothing. [1:57:17, 1:57:32]: Ever. We don't let we we don't have we don't have we don't have the vote, so I'm going to I don't want to waste any more time on this'cause I'm gonna withdraw my second. Time out folks, time out time out. We got a motion of floor. I'm gonna withdraw my second so we can move on. [1:57:33, 1:57:51]: Oh okay what just we go through you you you you made a mo mo Mr. Blount made a motion. You seconded. You remove your second. What is the motion? Is the motion to table this to the next meeting? What okay, so if you remove your second, that means the motion would would die. Right? That would mean the motion would die if we don't have a second, correct? [1:57:51, 1:57:52]: Ms. Washington? [1:57:52, 1:57:53]: Motion to [1:57:54, 1:57:55]: Ms. Washington. [1:57:57, 1:58:03]: If emotion's withdrawn, a second if there's a second is through the motion withdrawn and no other second, that means the motion has to drop, correct? [1:58:05, 1:58:16]: The motion was withdrawn. No the motion. No no no no. The second to the motion has been withdrawn. The second to the motion has been withdrawn. That means the motion will have to die unless there's another second. [1:58:16, 1:58:33]: Okay, all right. Mayor next, I wanna make a w I'm trying to move this along. Okay, go ahead. I wanna make a motion to table this to the very next meeting so the contract can be provided and we can move on with this meeting rather than wasting more time because it's not gonna pass anyway. So let's move on. Let me say this, Mayor. [1:58:34, 1:58:35]: Let me say this. [1:58:36, 1:58:39]: Because it's getting so ridiculous up here. [1:58:39, 1:58:44]: There's not one single council member up here knows every ins and out of every department. [1:58:44, 1:58:46]: That's why we trust Step. [1:58:47, 1:58:51]: To make sure that due diligence is done pertaining to contracts. [1:58:52, 1:58:55]: Which councilman up here read the contract for an amphitheater? [1:58:57, 1:59:02]: I would like to know the ins and outs of that. You see, one of the things we got to stop doing. [1:59:03, 1:59:10]: We got to stop trying to sit here and belittle the process that staff is c uh that that staff is doing. [1:59:11, 1:59:14]: Because when we sit here and we want to talk about procurement. [1:59:15, 1:59:18]: Procurement's not jacked up. It's not jacked up and messed up. [1:59:19, 1:59:22]: It's too much involvement by the selective body with procurement. [1:59:23, 1:59:27]: The process is flawed because the elected body get involved. [1:59:27, 1:59:35]: When everybody wanna sit here with all this attitude, I'm just gonna keep it real. If the let the body let staff do what they're supposed to do, we're not city managers. [1:59:36, 1:59:53]: We're the legislative branch of the city. So we can go on and on, my turn, your turn, your turn. That's all fine. But don't sit here and talk about a flawed process that you're getting involved in that you shouldn't even be dealing with because it was stated by our city attorneys that you need to leave it alone. [1:59:53, 2:00:08]: All right, Ms. Blount. Okay. Now, so everybody's got it said what they need to say. Mr. Alexander, Mr. Alexander, you s you made a motion to table. Is there a second? Right, right. For the condition to come back to the next meeting. Mr. Blount, second it. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. Comment. [2:00:08, 2:00:10]: Oh okay I'll I'll I'll [2:00:11, 2:00:19]: So we need to move on with this. No, I uh this this is important. Okay. And this is it. This is gonna be short and sweet. Okay. All I wanna say is. [2:00:21, 2:00:29]: All I'm asking for is the contract needs to be presented. Whether you read it or not, that's your prerogative. [2:00:29, 2:00:32]: But the contract has to be presented. [2:00:32, 2:00:34]: That's all I'm saying. [2:00:35, 2:00:40]: Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay, motion's been made. Second. All in favor of the motion, please indicate once again. [2:00:40, 2:00:42]: Of our poles. [2:00:42, 2:00:51]: There's a table it's a table. Are you for your table? You're for it. So the analysis is the table. Be back on the next meeting for that one. The twelfth of June, I believe it is? [2:00:51, 2:01:11]: All right, 12th of June to come back with a contract attached to it. All right. Next item, Council Consideration Approved Invitation to Bid, ITB, 2023-0006, City of Stockbridge Local Maintenance Improvement Grant to LMIG, the L MIG, 2024 Program for Roads and Resurfacing Award to East Coast Grading Incorporated. [2:01:11, 2:01:30]: The amount of two million two hundred and seven ninety-seven thousand one hundred nineteen dollars and twenty-five cents, funding source plus five, two million nine dollars and uh nine thousand dollars and one hundred nineteen dollars and twenty-five cents, GDOT is two hundred eighty-eight thousand, presented by Mr. Aaron, please. [2:01:30, 2:01:31]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. [2:01:32, 2:01:36]: We're asking that you approve awarding a a bid to East Coast Graden. [2:01:37, 2:01:43]: to uh complete our twenty twenty four LMEG list and the amount of [2:01:43, 2:02:03]: $2,297,000,$2,297,119.25. And the streets are in the Carriage Lake Subdivision. You'll have Surrey Lane, you'll have uh Chariot Court, Coachway, Lake Front Court, Carriage Lake. [2:02:03, 2:02:11]: Lake Lane and Pine Grove, you have Gallup Drive, Shackley Drive, Brunswick Circle. [2:02:11, 2:02:20]: And then in Lakeside you have Rock Lane, Needletop Court, Falcon Ridge, and Monarch Village you have Enclave Enclave Trail. [2:02:20, 2:02:22]: Chelsea Wood Court. [2:02:22, 2:02:28]: In Windsong you'll have Red Bud Lane, Deerwood Drive, Willow Hill, Lane, [2:02:28, 2:02:33]: and then in Wingate at Lakeside you'll have Lytton Court and Carrot [2:02:33, 2:02:34]: And Chaucer Wade. [2:02:35, 2:02:38]: And then also on the summit you'll have uh [2:02:40, 2:02:46]: I can't see that rope. But um and also we added uh Century Oaks Court. [2:02:47, 2:02:51]: So we'll we'll do Century Oak Court, which is in in District Four. [2:02:53, 2:02:56]: And we'll do Fairhaven Court as well. [2:02:59, 2:03:02]: Century Oak Court is the only one. [2:03:02, 2:03:21]: Alright, thank you, sir. All right, there's uh proposal here for uh looking for a motion. If we can get a motion. All right, go right in. This is what the public is interested in. Okay? Business of the city. Talk about [2:03:21, 2:03:25]: the process because a lot of folks are very confused about the process. [2:03:26, 2:03:46]: Why is this strip paved? Why is that street not paved? Uh how do I gotta get my street on the list? Talk about the process because we have a deep like Councilman Thomas always said, we have a detailed process in grading the streets out, making sure that they're fair and equitable in determining what goes on and whose street. [2:03:46, 2:03:48]: [7429.5, 7438.4]: Yes, sir. In twenty eighteen we had a re-evaluation of all the city roads and sidewalks. Roads are graded from zero to a hundred. [2:03:58, 2:04:00]: With seventy being the average. [2:04:01, 2:04:04]: If it's below seventy, that's where we [2:04:05, 2:04:10]: That's how we s choose the ones that get resurfaced. Typically the roads are [2:04:10, 2:04:30]: The city roads average of probably about sixty-five. So there are some roads that are 100 because they've been resurfaced. But uh we go up by the ranking, if it's like 35 or 40, then that takes prior to that's on the list. So we go from the lowest to the highest and that's how they're included based on the condition of the roads. [2:04:30, 2:04:50]: So it I don't have any new, newly annexed areas in my district, but I know Councilman Blount does, and I know Council Mayor Pro Tem Barber does. Those residents are asking, you know, when is it gonna happen that their streets are going to be paved? There should have been some money on the county side uh set aside as we were recouping some of the [2:04:50, 2:05:04]: of those funds in uh in uh in or in order for these residents to get some of their uh roles paid because if we take you know obviously they're in the city now but there was so should have been some funding already existing [2:05:05, 2:05:06]: For for [2:05:06, 2:05:26]: uh paving those sections in the county budget already.'Cause let's talk about that and how many bad streets we got a lot of streets that are below in that thirty, forty range or below that came into the city, correct? Yes. So here's here's our our goal and our strategy. [2:05:26, 2:05:28]: In twenty twenty five. [2:05:29, 2:05:44]: Starting late twenty twenty four, we're gonna reevaluate all the roles again because every five years, that's the industry standard is you reevaluate the roles. So we had a evaluation in twenty eighteen. So two thousand and twenty-three, we would [2:05:44, 2:05:58]: you know, implement the new evaluation. So in twenty twenty four, we're gonna reevaluate all our roads and sidewalks because we noticed that we've been paving roads well since I've been here and prior to that, two thousand sixteen. And we averaged about [2:05:59, 2:06:19]: Five miles a year. And prior to the annexation, the city had 107 miles of road. So we we might as well say we resurfaced closer to about 35% of all of our roads before the annexation. So the new evaluation will incorporate the roads that we that came into the city as a part of the annexation. [2:06:19, 2:06:23]: And they would get on the list for research. Mr Gardner, can you come to the podium? [2:06:25, 2:06:27]: You come to the podium, please. [2:06:28, 2:06:41]: Now I understand that. Now the only thing that you did not mention was well that means that we're gonna take our city budget funding to fix these roads that were in subpar condition when they were annexed into the city. [2:06:41, 2:07:01]: There has to be some discussion in this ongoing situation because the current residents will suffer with this if we try to use the same budget and then uh fix the streets that were already in bad condition before they came into the city. So at some point there these discussions, and I know they're uncomfortable sometimes. [2:07:01, 2:07:21]: With the county. They don't want to talk about it. That these roads that we got in, that they, you know, they were already in bad condition. Now these residents are saying, Pave our street, pave our street. I see y'all are paving because y'all have been doing a good job at paving. What about us? Now what about their money that they were paying to the county that they're they're they're not gonna [2:07:21, 2:07:31]: have access to if we don't represent them getting those funds that were set aside for paving because T S PLOSS had funds in it. [2:07:32, 2:07:52]: Uh uh paving funds that the residents voted on. When those residents voted on T Splos, they were in the county. So there is some monies that were set aside in T-SPLOST specifically for paving for those residents, but I guess it'd be focused on a percentage of the T-SPLOST that they represent in coming. [2:07:52, 2:07:53]: coming into the city. [2:07:55, 2:07:58]: Council member respectfully, I I'm gonna tell you probably no. And the reason why [2:07:59, 2:08:10]: When you do the T splus, when we this T splus legislation was approved, you had to enumerate which roads you were going to put into on in your system is either tier one or tier two. [2:08:10, 2:08:19]: If those roads weren't put in the system by the county, that mean that the county had not either one. Oh, with all due respect, sir, they put it in a broad category of paving. [2:08:20, 2:08:40]: So m under the T Splush, under Splush you could do that. My understanding and having done T Splus before, T Splus requires you to enumerate your tier one projects, all of them, your tier two projects, all of them, and a tier three. Tier one is priority. If the SPLOS comes in over and above what was estimated, those funds are utilized today. [2:08:40, 2:08:42]: Then go to your tier two projects. [2:08:42, 2:09:02]: Right? But if you never enumerated some streets, because guess what? Henry County have so many streets you can't pave them all under a one splash. Never will happen, ever. So you have to enumerate, they as we did, enumerate those roads that we thought were our top priority based on our ranking. I assume they did the same on the county side. It wasn't here. But it wouldn't count, it wouldn't have. [2:09:02, 2:09:15]: covered every single street, every single road. There may be some that were enumerated. My my understanding and the conversation I've had, um and I'll just use two roads as an ex as an example. [2:09:19, 2:09:27]: Walt Stevens, Jesus, I live off that road for 15 years. Walt Stevens and Mount Zion Parkway were not on their T Sploss list. [2:09:28, 2:09:30]: Mm. Right? They were not. Wow. [2:09:31, 2:09:45]: So therefore, when they're now in the city, we have to now find the the funding to do those streets, right? Because they weren't originally when the st when the splus and the T Splus was done, those roads weren't in the city. [2:09:45, 2:09:52]: So now we have to come up with a means of being able to do those streets and we've got a idea of how to do that and we'll present that to you. [2:09:53, 2:10:01]: those two streets because we've been getting a lot of complaints about'em, but as it relates to your regular subdivision streets that were brought into the into the city from the county. [2:10:03, 2:10:13]: Ninety times out of ten, they put those put on their T plus list. I just want to check that list. And I will go back again and ask the question because that question was asked of the county, sir. [2:10:13, 2:10:20]: If you would go back and check, scrub that list to see if there were some roles that were graded because they do pay roles in subdivision, so [2:10:20, 2:10:22]: Yes. And and like I say, that [2:10:23, 2:10:30]: Initially when this came up, we had this conversation before and I meant and I said I would double check with with the county manager and my and Husplus team. [2:10:30, 2:10:32]: And it was my understanding that the roads that we [2:10:33, 2:10:37]: that we were getting the complaints on weren't on their list. [2:10:38, 2:10:41]: I mean I would like to see whether Century Oaks was on the list or not. [2:10:42, 2:10:46]: That's the one we're paving now with off stroke funding that we already had that we're paving this year, right? [2:10:48, 2:10:54]: I'll go back and check, sir, but that was my understanding, but I'll double check and let you guys if you would and then I would like to see [2:10:54, 2:10:58]: That in a communication to the council? Is that agreeable? [2:10:59, 2:11:00]: Yes, sir. Thank you. [2:11:00, 2:11:05]: Mr Blount, go ahead, please. [2:11:06, 2:11:26]: B because of how the annexation piece came about legislatively, um, because it did give us a this growth of spurt, if you will, off of what we had already identified in fundings. Do we now fit some type of criteria with the state or on the federal level for funding because of that? [2:11:26, 2:11:46]: So our L Meg allotment will be changed, increased based on our population, because it's based on population share. So obviously we've submitted the information to get that new increase. Unfortunately, it won't happen in twenty twenty-four because twenty twenty-four is already here. We're already applying for twenty twenty. [2:11:46, 2:12:00]: Now and unfortunate those this you know. So we don't we don't meet any other type infrastructure funding from the state or federal level because of the type of way that this growth spurt came about for the city? [2:12:00, 2:12:20]: Not that I know of. Um most of your infrastructure projects are not road paving. They're usually water, sewer, storm water, those type of gr those ones that we've seen. Um you know, and to to try to justify a local street rather than some major arterial road that really directs traffic, is probably where that [2:12:20, 2:12:22]: Priority would be it wouldn't be on local streets. Okay. [2:12:23, 2:12:29]: Okay, one other thing real quick. Go ahead. Now there they're there Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead, Ma Mayor Putin. [2:12:30, 2:12:34]: My question is in regards to Davis Road. [2:12:35, 2:12:36]: And Valley Hill Road. [2:12:37, 2:12:39]: I know both of those wrote well [2:12:39, 2:12:47]: Portions of Davis Road was and unincorporated has been newly annexed. Valley Hill Road, the majority of it. [2:12:48, 2:12:52]: is now annexed. They are in not so good. [2:12:52, 2:12:57]: shape. But yet there are development proposals coming. [2:12:58, 2:13:05]: Don't believe it's wise for us to approve. I don't believe it's wise for us to approve. [2:13:05, 2:13:06]: Development. [2:13:06, 2:13:11]: projects when we already know there are infrastructure improvements that are needed. [2:13:11, 2:13:12]: Right. [2:13:12, 2:13:16]: And Mr. Aaron just said that they won't be vo he won't be [2:13:16, 2:13:20]: Reevaluating the conditions of the road until twenty twenty-four. [2:13:21, 2:13:23]: So So when will staff? [2:13:24, 2:13:25]: Provide [2:13:25, 2:13:27]: These kinds of details. [2:13:27, 2:13:30]: to the planning комісі and to the council [2:13:30, 2:13:33]: Prior to us approving the [2:13:33, 2:13:38]: Any new developments for those specific areas. [2:13:38, 2:13:49]: It is just not wise. Well, yes, ma'am. But however, Georgia law requires that we do not look because of our population, there are only three or four communities in the state [2:13:49, 2:13:53]: They can use schools and roads to deny zoning. We're not one of them. [2:13:54, 2:13:58]: So you cannot use road conditions to deny or road capacity to deny zoning. [2:13:59, 2:14:19]: Um you cannot use school capacity to deny a zoning under the Steinberg Act. You cannot do that. We can't we're not one of those qualified communities. We can't use that as a basis. But the safety of the road, we can't use that. We would be sued and we would lose. Even the safety of the roads, even if there are bigger than just potholes. [2:14:19, 2:14:26]: Right. And here's the reason why. The gist behind that, because I worked with as part of the planning association executive board. [2:14:27, 2:14:47]: I worked on the Steinberg Act. The reason for this is those owners paid their property taxes to the county to provide for adequate roads, adequate schools. So therefore, you cannot use that as a basis to say why their can't their properties can't be zoned to the highest and best use. Right? City of Atlanta, Gwynette. [2:14:47, 2:14:51]: Cobb and I think the Cab counties are the only communities in the state. [2:14:51, 2:14:54]: They can use road and schools to deny zoning. [2:14:54, 2:14:57]: Everybody else is a cannot do that under the law. [2:14:58, 2:15:02]: We cannot say because the road is in a bad condition, we can't give you the oil zoning. [2:15:03, 2:15:16]: You wouldn't have to be able to do we know that there are safety concerns. Ma'am, yes, ma'am. We would get sued and we would lose because it's not that property owner's right obligation to pave the street and bring it up to standards. It's up to the local government. [2:15:16, 2:15:33]: Well then if the onus is on the city, then we need to look at reevaluating those roads sooner, um, considering there are developments that are coming, not just for the Valley Hill Road and David Road area, this entire downtown area. [2:15:33, 2:15:39]: We need to be looking at all the roads sooner. Twenty twenty four is not. [2:15:39, 2:15:46]: It's not sufficient. The issue the issue with that is ma'am, just like it is with the school and this is the reason why [2:15:46, 2:15:49]: As our kids were going through school, there were trailers. [2:15:50, 2:15:52]: The way the law is written. [2:15:53, 2:15:57]: You're gonna always be behind on the infrastructure curve in Georgia. [2:15:58, 2:16:04]: Right? Always when it comes to growth. There is no way that we could fund ourselves proactively. [2:16:04, 2:16:06]: Towards development. [2:16:07, 2:16:22]: There's a way we can, but however, because we spend so much of our resources fixing those roads that have aged and are damaged, it's hard to then put money towards area that you see as growth areas to be able to do that. I will tell you the one state that's got it right has been Texas. [2:16:22, 2:16:23]: They do that. [2:16:24, 2:16:27]: I mean you literally see a four-lean road and there's nothing on it. [2:16:27, 2:16:31]: But that's because they're anticipating growth and their laws allow for them to actually do that. [2:16:32, 2:16:52]: Here in Georgia, we don't. That's why you see trailers at school when capacity goes up, because the school funding is predicated on data from years before. Same way with Rhodes. You just can't the way we fund it is the reason why we lag behind. And there's this city, no city in Georgia, no county in Georgia is gonna catch up when they're in a high growth growth spur. [2:16:52, 2:16:54]: N not gonna catch up, no way. [2:16:55, 2:16:56]: I get it. Um but [2:16:59, 2:17:03]: The majority of those newly annexed residents are in my district. [2:17:03, 2:17:05]: So I can't tell them [2:17:05, 2:17:07]: Oh, I'm sorry. [2:17:07, 2:17:07]: Um [2:17:08, 2:17:10]: We'll evaluate your role next year and [2:17:10, 2:17:13]: Yet we're still approving developments in their area. [2:17:14, 2:17:16]: What I wanna be able to share with them is [2:17:17, 2:17:19]: When the city is going to reassess [2:17:19, 2:17:26]: all the roads so that they can at least have um some inkling [2:17:26, 2:17:27]: As to [2:17:28, 2:17:32]: Their well being, their area in which they live is being taken care of. [2:17:33, 2:17:36]: I get the county, they're no longer in the county. [2:17:36, 2:17:38]: They're now in the city. [2:17:38, 2:17:40]: We have a responsibility. [2:17:41, 2:17:45]: We also, just like Councilman Alexander has mentioned. [2:17:45, 2:17:47]: Can just go back to the county and make sure. [2:17:47, 2:17:57]: that none of those roads that are in my district now were on their list. Yes. I need to be able to share some good news with them. Yes, ma'am. [2:17:58, 2:18:08]: Right now I have no good news under to share with them. Understood. Thank you, sir. If if we get that good news, we'll share it. If we get the bad news, we'll share it. But we definitely will share the news. I appreciate it. Yes, ma'am. [2:18:09, 2:18:26]: Yeah, go ahead, sir. Let me just say this. I'm not gonna let the county off the hook. They they're not and and and I and I and I don't like to hear and I know you probably stated that, phrased that the wrong way. When they annex into the city, they do not leave the county. They don't move to Clayton County all of a sudden. [2:18:26, 2:18:46]: Their budget is$230 million. Our budget is$24 million. We have zero millage. All of the money for these roads are going to the county. We can't pay for the road. And this, and let me say this again. They still have a vote for commissioner. [2:18:46, 2:19:06]: They still do. And the people around here need to wake up and understand. When you vote for a commissioner and you want your role done, no matter who you vote for, that person has to spend money in the city. You have a vote, and you cannot continue to elect people who don't spend money and say, [2:19:06, 2:19:26]: Oh, that's in the city. When$200 million are going to them and$20 million are coming to us to fight up, you do not, when you annex into the city, you do not leave the county. You do not lose your vote. And it's incumbent upon you to call upon whoever is elected to spend money. [2:19:26, 2:19:28]: [8369.2, 8370.3]: For your vote. [2:19:33, 2:19:49]: All right, uh if the north comments uh you uh you made the your presentation, so council I'm looking for a motion to approve this uh approve this invitation to bid. So moved. Is there a second? Uh okay from Mr. Alexander and Mr. Blount. All in favor of the motion please indicate. [2:19:50, 2:19:51]: Our polls. [2:19:51, 2:19:52]: Sustained. [2:19:53, 2:20:02]: Mayor Ford, I'm going to abstain. I believe that this is to approve an award of a contract, and the contract was not provided to the council. [2:20:02, 2:20:19]: Okay, motion passed 301. Um council, if you don't mind the C here, I have 830 actually on the dot. I'd like to ask for a 10 minute recess because the next subject's gonna take some time and we may be here a while. So if you don't mind 10 minute recess, we get back at 840. Is that all right with you all? Is that good? All right. [2:20:19, 2:20:24]: We appreciate it. We're back. Stret stretch a little bit'cause you may need it. [2:20:27, 2:20:27]: Okay. [2:20:29, 2:20:31]: Write that down, Clayton. [2:20:32, 2:20:33]: Put that in the article. [2:20:36, 2:20:36]: [8720.6, 8723.1]: [2:30:44, 2:30:50]: Can we make sure that the polls Facebook before this go department? [2:30:50, 2:30:55]: I guess she has to buckle the balls. Why I don't know. Well, she she could have kept them going. [2:30:56, 2:31:00]: Okay. Okay. Okay. Hey. [2:31:02, 2:31:08]: Council, we need to reconvene the meeting. I would imagine that uh a meeting is still going forward with uh video taping. [2:31:09, 2:31:11]: Madam Clerk, we still still live? [2:31:12, 2:31:13]: Okay, thank you very much. [2:31:18, 2:31:20]: Okay. [2:31:21, 2:31:31]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna convene. Um council discussion of city finances presented by Mr. Gardner and Mr. Wiggins and Mr. Wall, please. [2:31:36, 2:31:41]: All right, gentlemen, I turn over. Good evening, Mayor Council. There you go. Good deal. Good evening. Hold on. [2:31:57, 2:32:16]: All right. Tonight I'm here to kinda talk about um our financial, city financial as it relates to some of the side topics we've had tonight regarding growth and the annexation and the impacts thereof, um and how it's looking to affect our fiscal year twenty four, FY twenty four budget. [2:32:28, 2:32:35]: So yes. So we we've had annexation in the city. We brought in about sixty seven hundred new people into the city. Um two key [2:32:35, 2:32:55]: Areas that and landmass, two areas that that we know are gonna get impacting. And we've had some of this discussion tonight. It's gonna be how public works relate to this and how our police service relate to this. I'm gonna talk a little bit about um how it's impacting our fiscal year twenty-four budget. Um talk about the imposition of potential mineral rate. [2:32:55, 2:32:57]: What that mill is rate looks like. [2:32:57, 2:33:04]: um across the board and across different properties uh around the city and then discuss with you guys the next steps in the process. [2:33:06, 2:33:06]: Yeah. [2:33:08, 2:33:09]: Why can't I? [2:33:11, 2:33:15]: So we we all know January one we brought sixty seven new residents into the city. [2:33:16, 2:33:18]: Um to give you a good idea what that look like. [2:33:19, 2:33:23]: That's about ninety or eighty per more than eighty percent of the city of Hampton as we know it. [2:33:24, 2:33:27]: They came into the city of Stockbridge January one. [2:33:27, 2:33:28]: Right. [2:33:28, 2:33:39]: When we factor that across, we've got about nineteen hundred units approve or going through development process in the city of Stockbridge. What that looks like when we talk about population. [2:33:40, 2:33:50]: Right, average household size, about 3.2 residents per household. You times that by the number of units, you come up with about 5,500 new residents coming from these proposed developments. [2:33:51, 2:33:54]: Right, that's gonna be impacting the city's population over time. [2:33:54, 2:33:58]: What we estimate that population to look like it's gonna be somewhere between forty two. [2:33:59, 2:34:00]: to forty five thousand people. [2:34:02, 2:34:02]: Right. [2:34:03, 2:34:07]: We still have developments that are coming before the city as we speak. [2:34:08, 2:34:08]: Right. [2:34:10, 2:34:13]: So from a public work standpoint, you've heard some of this. [2:34:13, 2:34:17]: We estimated we brought in about ninety one miles of roads right aways. [2:34:17, 2:34:21]: About forty three miles of sidewalks were annexed into the city. [2:34:21, 2:34:26]: And as uh the public waste director said stormwater was part of that process as well. [2:34:29, 2:34:30]: So what did that mean? [2:34:30, 2:34:32]: We're now, as we just discussed. [2:34:33, 2:34:37]: having to look at how do we provide for resurfacing of these roads. [2:34:38, 2:34:41]: Right away maintenance of these roads, restriping of these roads, right? [2:34:42, 2:34:53]: Most of us live in subdivisions that were built in the 1990s, started in true zoning process and development view process in the mid-90s. That's when Henry County's population spiked. [2:34:54, 2:34:57]: Right? From nineteen ninety five to where we are today. [2:34:57, 2:35:00]: Right. Those roads are now coming up on thirty years old. [2:35:01, 2:35:03]: That's why we're hearing some of those complaints, those right-aways. [2:35:04, 2:35:05]: Those infrastructure are aging. [2:35:06, 2:35:08]: And now they're under our responsibility. [2:35:09, 2:35:09]: All right. [2:35:09, 2:35:11]: Our job is to make sure that we [2:35:11, 2:35:14]: are making improvements around our signalizations. [2:35:14, 2:35:16]: Стрит лайт, стріт сайс. [2:35:17, 2:35:18]: А звелас [2:35:18, 2:35:24]: How we're making ma sidewalk maintenance in some of these developments. And some of them were zoned without sidewalks. [2:35:24, 2:35:25]: Um back in the day. [2:35:28, 2:35:30]: I want to talk a little bit about the police service. [2:35:31, 2:35:32]: That's the other one that's gonna be impacted. [2:35:34, 2:35:34]: Mm. [2:35:35, 2:35:38]: We initially approve our police department at fifty two officers. [2:35:39, 2:35:40]: Із Чеф Тремо. [2:35:41, 2:35:43]: presented to you guys back in twenty twenty one. [2:35:44, 2:35:44]: Right. [2:35:45, 2:35:55]: That we have fifty one and I think he gave you a range and we came in between the bottom and the mid on the range of offices that he needed to patrol a city of twenty-eight thousand people per the census. [2:35:57, 2:36:06]: The census, the United States census, is always an undercount of your population. It's never an accurate count of your population, it's an unaccount. [2:36:06, 2:36:10]: So if the census say you're twenty eight, you're probably twenty nine thirty. [2:36:10, 2:36:15]: Because a portion of your population is not gonna fill out the form regardless of how many times you send it to'em. [2:36:16, 2:36:18]: And speaking for someone who's around two census. [2:36:19, 2:36:19]: Campaigns. [2:36:20, 2:36:20]: I [2:36:21, 2:36:35]: And so with that, we w reach out for some grant fundings to get additional offices through our grant, but eventually we still have to pay for those officers. They're partly free, but they're also perfect to be paid for over time. We've acquired eight of those positions have been filled today. [2:36:36, 2:36:50]: Right. The police department estimates we need between sixty-six and eighty-two officers to keep up with the demand and be able to provide the services that we're currently providing to our new population and the population we're expecting to see come over the next few years. [2:36:52, 2:36:54]: So how are they doing that evaluation? [2:36:55, 2:36:57]: Right. One of them is looking at calls per service. [2:36:58, 2:37:11]: So in 2021, Henry County was doing our policing. We had about 24,000, just under 25,000 calls a year. We saw an increase with our blended police between Henry County and us. [2:37:11, 2:37:17]: Starting J July one of last year and that totals right around twenty eight thousand, just under twenty five this year. [2:37:18, 2:37:23]: We're seeing a spike and projected that our call for service is gonna top thirty eight thousand. [2:37:24, 2:37:26]: And the answer people say, Why? [2:37:26, 2:37:32]: You have a more visible police department, hence you will get more calls because you are more visible. [2:37:32, 2:37:34]: People assume that you will respond. [2:37:35, 2:37:36]: I [2:37:36, 2:37:40]: We had a res I had a resident tell me I see them all the time now. [2:37:40, 2:37:48]: All right, and if I see an issue, I'm gonna call. One of the things we talked about at a recent town hall meeting with our residents, if you see something, say something. [2:37:49, 2:37:54]: Right? Because the time that you don't is the time when something will happen. So if you see something that looks funny, call. [2:37:56, 2:37:56]: I [2:37:57, 2:38:00]: I did that myself recently. I was at a restaurant. [2:38:00, 2:38:02]: Two guys look real suspicious. [2:38:03, 2:38:05]: The way they were moving around the restaurant. [2:38:05, 2:38:09]: And then one of them was sitting in his car doing absolutely nothing. [2:38:10, 2:38:10]: Nein. [2:38:10, 2:38:12]: I call Chief Trimu. [2:38:12, 2:38:20]: It was about 10 o'clock at night. I didn't get him. I pulled over a police officer and said to him, Hey man, I got a suspicious car. Here's to make modeling color. [2:38:21, 2:38:25]: I need for you guys to probably watch these guys, but stuff that we know going on. [2:38:25, 2:38:30]: I just feel that they're acting real suspicious. So I saw something and I said something. [2:38:30, 2:38:32]: Right, that's what we ask our residents to do. [2:38:34, 2:38:38]: So ha so when we talk about our police department and where they are. [2:38:39, 2:38:53]: Right. And we looked at comparable cities, comparable number of officers, call for services, and police officers per residence, right? As you can tell, we're about thirty-four, thirty-five, thirty-six thousand people. [2:38:54, 2:38:57]: Right now we're operating at sixty two offices. [2:38:57, 2:39:00]: As compared to some of our surrounding Metro cities. [2:39:00, 2:39:04]: Based on their population, their call for service. A call for service is gonna push. [2:39:05, 2:39:09]: As high as as close to city estates bro this year. [2:39:09, 2:39:10]: Uh. [2:39:12, 2:39:20]: So when we look at that comparison and narrow it even further and look at some of our surrounding communities based on population, based on call. [2:39:20, 2:39:22]: And a citizens police ratio. [2:39:23, 2:39:42]: Right and we look at what they're looking at their budgets for their police departments versus ours and how they're funding their police department versus ours, you see that all of those communities have at least a six point five up to a eight mil property tax to offset their police services costs. Ours is still very low. [2:39:43, 2:39:46]: Right at eighty at eight point two projected for this year. [2:39:46, 2:39:48]: Compared to some of our surrounding communities. [2:39:51, 2:39:56]: So when we look at that and how is that affecting our fiscal year upcoming fiscal year budget? [2:39:58, 2:39:58]: Right. [2:40:00, 2:40:07]: This chart gives you a list of options that we at the staff level department head worked on at our recent retreat. [2:40:07, 2:40:15]: And came up with some options on looking at what are our what's our fiscal year twenty-four budget looking like, twenty-six point seven. [2:40:15, 2:40:20]: We're still in the process of obviously evaluating that number, so there's a chance that that number go down some. [2:40:20, 2:40:23]: But we're we're given that number because that's where we are as a snapshot. [2:40:24, 2:40:27]: Right, when we look at our general fund revenues. [2:40:27, 2:40:29]: We're projected at nineteen point nine. [2:40:29, 2:40:32]: And that does include us getting the funding for the loss. [2:40:32, 2:40:34]: Фром Хенри Коні опщо вона. [2:40:35, 2:40:37]: Is with loss, but is with no [2:40:37, 2:40:46]: transfer. When you see general fund revenue at nineteen point nine, that's no transfers from our reserve. That's just straight revenue to expenses. You're twenty six [2:40:46, 2:40:50]: point seven to nineteen point nine or twenty if you rounded it up. [2:40:51, 2:40:55]: All right, so we're about six point eight billion short. [2:40:56, 2:41:04]: Option two implies that the current millage that's being charged as part of the police service district is 1.904 mills. [2:41:04, 2:41:14]: Right. If you don't roll that back, but you roll it over and the city takes over that, you're looking at projected revenue of th three point four million. [2:41:14, 2:41:16]: When you add that to your nineteen. [2:41:17, 2:41:19]: Your deficit is now three point three million. [2:41:20, 2:41:22]: Right at the one point oh nine four mils. [2:41:23, 2:41:24]: Option three. [2:41:25, 2:41:28]: implies that if you look at a mill of three point seven seven [2:41:29, 2:41:32]: Ай, да бризене а ревню в сих посев. [2:41:32, 2:41:35]: Your deficit is now down to about fifty four thousand. [2:41:36, 2:41:41]: Option flour looks at a mills rate of four mils, a flat four mil rates. [2:41:42, 2:41:44]: That brings in seven point two million [2:41:44, 2:42:03]: That brings your revenues at seven at twenty-seven point two to your expenses of twenty-six point seven, gives you just under five hundred thousand of excess revenue. All right, option five is one is four point two mils. That brings you seven point six, that gives you just under a million dollars. [2:42:04, 2:42:05]: Revenues to expenses. [2:42:05, 2:42:06]: And option six. [2:42:07, 2:42:09]: is right around ten milyen. [2:42:10, 2:42:11]: Gives you offset. [2:42:11, 2:42:25]: of four million dollars revenues to expenses. How does that look when we imply it when we put that those millage rate towards the average homes or group of homes in the city? Right? Well, before I get there, next we'll talk about [2:42:25, 2:42:30]: We have been moving money to cover our police department. [2:42:30, 2:42:43]: for the most part, from our reserves. And I'm gonna let Ed Wall talk a little bit about that. And uh we've had this discussion at our last retreat with council and I think previous meetings at air that spoke about this and the impacts on reserve. [2:42:44, 2:42:49]: Good. Thank you, Mr. Gardner. So if you all could l in this chart [2:42:49, 2:42:54]: We just question. Yes, sir. Before m you leave the podium, Mr. Garden. Mr. Gardner. [2:42:55, 2:43:15]: And uh before we get into this particular section here, okay, uh where were the ARPA funds? Uh are we getting to that some point where the ARPA funds are gonna be uh So you've utilize your ARPA funds to purchase your police equipment, right? To f build up to your facility. [2:43:15, 2:43:15]: [9796.2, 9816.2]: You you've added that to that. That was a one-time funding. You're looking at FY twenty four budget, next year's budget. Right. But we that doesn't have any more APA funds. We've allotted our APA funds as required by law. We've spent our APA funds on the police department. We've done that. Right? That was a one time shot. [2:43:36, 2:43:47]: Excellent move. We were right at time to see that happen to use those funds to offset using other funds. But now you're looking at operations, the day-to-day operational cost of running your police department. [2:43:47, 2:43:49]: Is what you see before you. [2:43:49, 2:44:05]: And there's no opera funds for that right now. And until we get and unless there's some other funds coming on the road under a new program, we're done with APA funds. So we was we don't have uh there's no ARPA funds in our at all at this point. We spent them all. Sure. That that money has been a lot that'd been spent. [2:44:05, 2:44:25]: That was a one time shot. One time short for all governments. We've utilized our I'm a little confused by that'cause we had I thought we had uh talked about extending we were gonna s that was gonna be spread out over time to uh and the money was could be spent until such and such date. So you're telling me we've had to advance that already. [2:44:25, 2:44:30]: You you you yes, you spent your APA funds. Your APA funds had criteria. [2:44:30, 2:44:50]: That you can spend it on. As it may as it relates to your police costs, you've already expended those funds already. You still have some w some around some water and sewer that you have left, and a little bit around economic development. And we'll talk a little bit about that at the end of the day. As far as corrections are concerned, I thought they had opened up the category. [2:44:50, 2:44:53]: And pretty much made it free flint at this point. [2:44:53, 2:45:05]: We we have applied for all the opera funds that we can get under the current allotment. We're done with that. That's put opera in the review mirror like payers app money is now in the review mirror. [2:45:06, 2:45:26]: Yes. And one other one other question real quick before I move on to the next. Now, I do understand that state law was changed, whereas cities and municipal uh and county governments I guess is were were able to set up non profit organizations to uh on behalf of the police department to actually take donations or [2:45:26, 2:45:28]: from the public to support public safety. [2:45:29, 2:45:47]: So yes, your your police chief is already engaged in that activity. So we we founded a police foundation that can get those monies. But please remember there's no amount of donations that's gonna cover your I I understand your police foundation. And there and there is not enough money to cover [2:45:48, 2:46:08]: The majority of your operation is not gonna come from donations. It's just that that that's not happened anywhere in the financial funding. Certainly. But I wanna make sure that we're getting every penny out there that's possible that's uh for us because in the end there are there are there are significant dollars to support law enforcement. So every dollar [2:46:08, 2:46:28]: That we get is a dollar that citizens don't have to pay or we don't have to come up with. So certainly. And that is correct. And and and this department, along with our grants, have been diligent, as you guys know, in grabbing as much of those monies as we can. We we actually qualified and got the funding from the federal governments for those additional 10 officers. [2:46:27, 2:46:30]: Right? [2:46:30, 2:46:49]: Um we've gotten additional funding around the police department. We've done that. We will continue to go after monies when the next COPS grants come out. We're gonna be applying for those as well to offset. But you cannot budget based on the potential that you're gonna get when you know that those operational costs are actual. Right? If we get them, we offset. [2:46:50, 2:46:55]: Um but we budget on what we propose was actually going to happen and until we get those grants. [2:46:55, 2:47:00]: The fiscally prudent thing for us to do is to make sure we budget for one hundred percent of those costs. [2:47:01, 2:47:02]: Yes, ma'am. [2:47:03, 2:47:08]: Um, I just wanted to make sure that we were clear. ARPRA funds were not all [2:47:10, 2:47:28]: spent on public safety. No. We should ARPA funding for public works projects as well. I just want to make it clear. There were there were criteria that you can spend it on and we spent what we could on police under that criteria. Okay. I just want to make it clear that [2:47:28, 2:47:36]: All of our ARPA funding was not spent on public safety. No, it was to make sure that this whole presentation. [2:47:37, 2:47:38]: is not to [2:47:38, 2:47:44]: Um make it appear as though all of our funding has been going to public safety. [2:47:45, 2:47:48]: I want to is this presentation to cover [2:47:48, 2:47:54]: the entire operations of the city, including the operations of this amphitheater. I see there's [2:47:54, 2:47:55]: Nothing. [2:47:56, 2:48:16]: Um on this slide for the appropriation of fund. So we're not getting in the reads, and that's obviously gonna come when we get to our budget meeting in August about how we can fund that. However, remember, we set aside monies, we borrowed monies, and we had some splus monies that we put towards the cultural arts center. But there's still a 20 million [2:48:16, 2:48:22]: million dollar gap between what was put and what requires to build what council wants to build, right? [2:48:23, 2:48:25]: Um we've bought already for that project. [2:48:25, 2:48:30]: Рай, со докифоссик на дарудли. [2:48:30, 2:48:30]: You know [2:48:32, 2:48:35]: Where do we get twenty million dollars to continue that project? [2:48:35, 2:48:38]: Рай, вів год Федс, а не Феджавседно. [2:48:39, 2:48:41]: They're not funding that. [2:48:41, 2:48:50]: I think the majority council was at that meeting. Those meetings plural regarding regarding our [2:48:50, 2:49:10]: Uh uh congressman and our two senators. We were specifically told we couldn't get any fundings for those through appropriation. What got through appropriation is currently under consideration appropriations has been our water and sewer project and the pedestrian bridge for Highway one thirty one thirty eight over Youth Rix. [2:49:10, 2:49:16]: Question. They did no, that was not included. Remember they said we had to make adjustments to that. [2:49:16, 2:49:23]: To make that happen. Well no. My understanding was as long as it was not an entertainment venue. [2:49:24, 2:49:29]: As long as it wasn't a performing arts they would be [2:49:29, 2:49:31]: Unless you got so we submitted [2:49:32, 2:49:34]: Those projects to Senator [2:49:35, 2:49:36]: Wanna [2:49:36, 2:49:39]: To Senator Orsoff and to Congressman Scott. [2:49:39, 2:49:40]: Right? Mm-hmm. [2:49:41, 2:49:43]: And all of those projects they pick. [2:49:45, 2:49:52]: I'm not mistaken, two of our projects that went through appropriations based on what they know would potentially get funded. [2:49:52, 2:50:04]: And that's what he told us. They were not gonna put a wish list project at that time through appropriations. That's what he told us. Correct me if I wrong. Okay? So those projects that we gave them the list. [2:50:05, 2:50:25]: The two strongest ones that they saw could get you appropriations was the Water and Sewer Project and the Bridge Project, because you have a pedestrian issue and it's a safety issue, and that's why that went. Those ended up in the AJC recently. I don't know if you guys saw that. Um, for all those projects that were being funded, asked for funding from our local. [2:50:25, 2:50:33]: Local legislators of the Senate and the Congress, those who are in the AJC recently. So they're still in the appropriations, right? [2:50:33, 2:50:37]: But so uh I don't know but so I've I answered your question. [2:50:37, 2:50:39]: Yes, ma'am. Yep, a standby. [2:50:40, 2:50:52]: Mr I I just want a clarification before you move further. Uh you mentioned a shortfall for the cultural. Uh you you said twenty. Yes sir. Is it twenty or is it ten? Twenty. [2:50:52, 2:50:58]: You remember when we came before you guys there and I brought this to your attention when I first got here. [2:50:59, 2:51:03]: was we appropriated about fourteen million where the gold at it would be [2:51:03, 2:51:09]: eighteen million and we would find that two million dollars over a couple of budget cycles. [2:51:09, 2:51:19]: When I got here, that cost ballooned and I showed you guys and we gave each one of you guys the options as to what we thought was feasible and what you wanted to pick. We did that exercise. [2:51:19, 2:51:29]: And what came out of that exercise initially was we would go with the twenty four million option and then that changed and you said, no, if we're gonna build it and we're gonna build it the way we want it. [2:51:30, 2:51:33]: We voted to move forward with the thirty-four million dollar. [2:51:34, 2:51:35]: Price tied. [2:51:36, 2:51:53]: Performing in cultural acts and thirty million. I didn't think it was thirty four. It was thirty f it was thirty four, sir. I can go back and the city clerk will provide the documentation that that's what was presented and that's what we went with. But the key is even if it was four million dollars short, it's still a huge gap to try to make up for a project. [2:51:54, 2:51:55]: Period. [2:51:56, 2:52:16]: Right? Because the only way you said you want to do that is to fund it through Splus. If you do that and our allotment is gonna be somewhere around thirty million dollars in the next PLOS, you just spent ninety percent of your splus on one thing when that ain't ninety percent, man. That's twenty percent and there's ten million left over, right? Right. [2:52:16, 2:52:23]: So when you talk about wanting to pave roads, fix intersection, fix water sewer infrastructures, fix raging buildings, what is the priority? [2:52:25, 2:52:32]: Right? What's the priority? That's something we're gonna have to discuss at a later date when we now get into the splots discussions coming up in November. [2:52:32, 2:52:33]: Right. [2:52:34, 2:52:38]: We're gonna have are we gonna look at broad categories facilities. [2:52:39, 2:52:40]: Roads. [2:52:41, 2:52:46]: And whatever else we need and say, Okay, how do we want to a lot? What's gonna be estimated? [2:52:47, 2:52:56]: Right, in those categories. Are we gonna put all our eggs in this one category and be and go with that? And if the voters approve it, then we move forward. [2:52:56, 2:53:02]: Or are we gonna look and fruitly look at how we continue the one we just talked about the discussion? [2:53:03, 2:53:07]: Pave and fix those roads and sidewalks and those communities that we just got that we keep getting calls on. [2:53:09, 2:53:09]: Right. [2:53:10, 2:53:11]: How are we gonna do that? [2:53:11, 2:53:15]: And what what that's gonna amount to once we start looking at those estimated costs. [2:53:16, 2:53:16]: Right. [2:53:17, 2:53:20]: You still have some deferred maintenance on some of the billings that you have now. [2:53:21, 2:53:22]: They still have to be addressed. [2:53:23, 2:53:24]: Right? Are we gonna do that? [2:53:25, 2:53:26]: Are we gonna put money [2:53:27, 2:53:34]: Today and any new facilities that we want to get built, because there's two of those on the wish list it's the performing arts and there's also the recreation center. [2:53:34, 2:53:35]: Right. [2:53:36, 2:53:44]: And if we can continue to find and go after whatever funding we can to continue to whittle down that m that deficit. [2:53:44, 2:53:46]: Then we do that and we are looking at that. [2:53:47, 2:53:47]: I [2:53:48, 2:53:51]: But we also have to ask ourselves and to be prudent. [2:53:51, 2:53:52]: Right. [2:53:53, 2:54:05]: It's just is these things the right things at this time for us to be looking at funding? And that's a conversation we need to have at a later date,'cause the goal is not to get into all of that at this meeting, but that's a discussion we're gonna have to have. [2:54:06, 2:54:06]: Right. [2:54:07, 2:54:09]: As I told my staff at the beginning. [2:54:10, 2:54:18]: I get it. I'm asking you to present your needs, but I also know that somebody's gonna put some wants in there, and our goal is to riddle down the wants to the needs. [2:54:19, 2:54:27]: Right. And that's how we're gonna have to look at those. What's our need? What's the highest and best use? What's gonna get the most use bang for the buck for the residents? Period. [2:54:28, 2:54:31]: But that discussion gonna happen at a later date. So no, we didn't go down into the [2:54:32, 2:54:36]: you know, line item to to look at that issue. Um [2:54:37, 2:54:47]: So when you see before you here is it this operational cost and and remember I'm gonna show you something in the next slide coming up. They're just gonna kinda look at addressing that. But I'm gonna let um [2:54:48, 2:55:08]: And talk a little bit about the debt. Thank you, sir. And Councilwoman Barber, the$26 million that's in this presentation, that's just operations of the general fund. Capital is held held handled in SPLOSS, T SPLOSS. That's not part of this presentation. This is just a general operating account. [2:55:08, 2:55:12]: The slide before you now is showing a four year history of your journal fund. [2:55:12, 2:55:13]: Remember when um [2:55:14, 2:55:29]: we've talked for years, you had a really big general fund fund balance. And so if you look at the first column, twenty nineteen, you had a fund balance of eighteen million. That year you added it actually to it, it would ended at nineteen million two forty. [2:55:30, 2:55:36]: Notice the percent of your annual budget was two hundred and eighteen percent. So you had two times your annual budget. [2:55:36, 2:55:54]: And that was uh much larger than the average. You all made a conscious decision you would draw that down over time. It was way too much that you didn't need to have that much. So the next year, twenty twenty, you can see we drew down about two million of it. It's down to a hundred and ninety one percent of your annual budget. [2:55:55, 2:55:57]: Or twenty two months of reserves. [2:55:57, 2:56:02]: In twenty one you can see we fell to sixteen million and that was um [2:56:02, 2:56:13]: uh 18 months, 151% are 18 months, and then in twenty-two, the naudited results is it's fallen to twelve million dollars. That's sixty-six percent of the budget or eight months. [2:56:13, 2:56:16]: Now um if I go back a slide [2:56:17, 2:56:21]: You can see the operating budget for twenty four is twenty six million. [2:56:21, 2:56:28]: So twelve million on twenty six million is a little bit less than fifty percent. So that's about six months of reserves. [2:56:28, 2:56:37]: And so if you'll look at this slide, if you don't have any property taxes at all, you'll spend another six million of that twelve million dollar balance. [2:56:37, 2:56:45]: Um staff and me as your financial advisor don't want you to do that. We would like you to not spend any more fund balance. Why is that? [2:56:46, 2:56:50]: Well, so your fund balance exists as savings to help you carry [2:56:50, 2:57:10]: The budget when you have low, low revenue months. And so some cities and counties and school boards that do not have a big fund balance, they have to issue something called tax anticipation notes. They call them TANS. You have to go to the bank, you have to borrow money, and it's like going to your credit card and borrowing money to pay the mortgage and the Georgia Power. [2:57:10, 2:57:15]: power bill and then when you get caught up maybe you get a bonus and then you pay that off. [2:57:15, 2:57:19]: Governments use tax anticipation notes for cash flow. It's costly. [2:57:20, 2:57:31]: Uh is the Federal Reserve raised rates last year, a tan now, Fulton County, I just did two hundred million dollar tan for Fulton County, the interest rate was three point eight percent and and they have a double A credit rating. [2:57:32, 2:57:36]: And so you would like to avoid having to do tax anticipation notes if you can. [2:57:37, 2:57:44]: And so if you can have a fund balance of about six months, which is what you have now, you can avoid having to do a tax anticipation note. [2:57:44, 2:57:50]: If you levy the one point nine oh four mills, you're still gonna spend three million dollars of fund balance. [2:57:50, 2:58:10]: And remember this revenue item, the nineteen million, it has in it the extra money that we're getting from local option sales tax because of the property that we annexed. These property tax revenue numbers include the annexed area. So your one mil of property tax went from a million two hundred thousand per one mil to a million eight hundred thousand. [2:58:10, 2:58:12]: per one mil because of the annexed area. [2:58:13, 2:58:26]: And so option number three ho hold on right there. Let's if I can see this is where I wanna make it extremely clear to the public. Uh uh the one point [2:58:27, 2:58:30]: nine zero four meals is already being paid. [2:58:31, 2:58:38]: They pay that now. Yes, sir. There's not that one point and I want you to make that clear to them is that [2:58:38, 2:58:58]: The 1.904 is already being paid. Now, since we have moved forward with our own police services, we'll need to recoup that money, collect that money on our own. They've been paying it to the county. So basically, we that money would be taken off the county account and it will be moved. [2:58:58, 2:59:06]: So that's not that 1.09 is not a new tax. That's correct, right? Yes, sir. That is correct. All right. Thank you. [2:59:08, 2:59:15]: And so with three point seven seven mils, you'll only spend fifty four thousand dollars of fund balance. [2:59:15, 2:59:20]: Remember this is a twenty four budget, so I mean we're doing the best we can to [2:59:21, 2:59:24]: to to to estimate what it is and so [2:59:24, 2:59:35]: Even though that shows it negative fifty four, that's about a balanced budget at three point seven seven mils. And then four mils would actually help you add about a half million dollars to your fund balance. [2:59:35, 2:59:39]: And and again we're real quick before while we're talking about this. [2:59:40, 3:00:00]: This is the 2024 budget. The council took a bold move and transferred funding from that reserve, as you indicated, to cover 2023. Is that correct? Yes, sir. So in essence, we're talking about a future budget for the year 2024. Our budget runs with the calendar. [3:00:00, 3:00:14]: calendar year correct. So we're talking about next year. We're not talking about what would be happen uh uh on this particular year. We're talking about what would happen next year. We're talking about levying the property tax this summer. [3:00:14, 3:00:15]: This summer. [3:00:16, 3:00:18]: And the residents would pay it December twentieth. [3:00:19, 3:00:22]: But that covers your twenty four fiscal year. [3:00:22, 3:00:38]: Right. That's that's that's what that we have multiple proposals to pick from which here, which is option number two, which is as well, which does not include a property tax. It includes one point oh nine and collecting what we've already what's already being paid to the county, is that correct? [3:00:39, 3:00:55]: Yes, but as you know that's still a I understand that. I just wanna make sure that that's one of the options. We certainly Well and that's and that's why it's portrayed here as option number two. Right. Right. I I understand right now where we are, there's a lot of res res residents that have been shell shocked by [3:00:55, 3:01:00]: the county assessment and any mention of anything in a to that kind of [3:01:00, 3:01:03]: It it perks uh us all up to understand that. [3:01:03, 3:01:23]: Until the county decides what they're going to do, which certainly uh they need to roll back that. They need to roll back it at the school board level and at the county level because the assessments that put the public has received, I've never heard a that much talk or chatter about people suffering. And people are suffering out there right now. [3:01:23, 3:01:43]: Right now. So certainly I want us to be very cognizant of that, the fact that we understand these residents have been paying all of their taxes to Henry County for the past decade or more, or more. I'd be interested to know when the last time the city had any type of tax at all. [3:01:43, 3:01:57]: all because what has really happened is this city has been able to be run. We haven't everybody else in the world has been in uh adding an additional raising millets. We haven't had any taxes in this city. [3:01:57, 3:02:14]: in decades. So we've been very fiscally uh responsible with not assessing our residents any tax. Well everybody else is going up on tax. We haven't taxed you at all, right? Correct. However however sir. [3:02:14, 3:02:26]: Certainly. We we we we added a police department that literally added millions of dollars to your general fund expenditure that cannot be covered by your sales tax alone. [3:02:27, 3:02:47]: Certainly and I I I understand that I just want residents to understand and yes where they've been for the past twenty years is that when they look at that assessment that they just got cause I hear people say stuff like oh they built that amphitheater, that's why the s the taxes are going up. We haven't charged you any taxes for the amphitheater. We built the amphitheater. [3:02:47, 3:03:07]: The amphitheater is has nothing to do with the tax assessment that you just received from the county because the city does not charge you a millage for that for the for our facility. So let's put that to rest to everybody out there tuning in. The assessment that you just got is [3:03:06, 3:03:22]: 100% to Henry County. Stock Ridge does not have a property tax at this time. And no, us building the amphitheater did not have anything to do with the county uh sending you the assessment that they just did. Thank you. [3:03:24, 3:03:27]: Yes, sir. I think yeah, go ahead, Ms. Gantt. Thank you. Um [3:03:29, 3:03:34]: First I wanna apologize. I just got off a plane. I was in federal court in New York all day on a trial. [3:03:35, 3:03:37]: So I got off the plane and I headed here. [3:03:37, 3:03:39]: And I've been watching and listening. [3:03:40, 3:03:41]: And I'm glad I made it to this point. [3:03:42, 3:03:45]: And I haven't had an opportunity to speak, but I heard you talk about the art center. [3:03:46, 3:03:51]: I beg to differ. I think my statement in regards to the Art Center is that [3:03:53, 3:03:55]: We want [3:03:55, 3:04:02]: We deserve, we want the best, so we need to hold m a my opinion hold off until we can afford it. [3:04:02, 3:04:13]: Right? In so many words, hold off until we can afford it. Whether it's thirty five million, thirty million, hopefully the prices go down. At that time, construction was extremely expensive. [3:04:14, 3:04:24]: I can see it twinkling a little bit. It may not go back down to where it used to be, but let's be reasonable and within reason. And there's no way I would ever agree. [3:04:24, 3:04:28]: It would be totally irresponsible of anyone on this council. [3:04:28, 3:04:30]: To agree to build one building, [3:04:30, 3:04:31]: An art center. [3:04:32, 3:04:33]: Although I love the arts. [3:04:33, 3:04:49]: for thirty five million and then have ten million left for soil and water, ten million left for our infrastructure, for our roads when people are in dire need. There is no way as we continue to grow with more townhomes and apartment complexes and more subdivisions. There is no way. [3:04:50, 3:04:51]: That's number one. [3:04:52, 3:04:53]: Number two. [3:04:54, 3:05:14]: This is not a surprise. We have been stating this over and over again. I've spoken with Council Councilman Blount and myself have discussed and talked about this. This right before we had and added a police department. No one had denied that we would have to levy a tax. [3:05:14, 3:05:23]: At that point in time, we discussed, I believe it was like 3.5 mils. If it's if if if I'm wrong, you guys can let me know I'm wrong. [3:05:24, 3:05:27]: I don't, we are not here. [3:05:28, 3:05:35]: To continue to go in our fund balance. For years, I've been on this council since 2014. [3:05:36, 3:05:56]: We have had a healthy fund balance. And yes, no, just because you have a healthy fund bal balance doesn't mean that you should always, you know, hold all of that money, right? There are things we're supposed to do. We are supposed to do splash projects. We are supposed to spend money on things to help improve the quality of life for our cit for our [3:05:55, 3:06:05]: Our commu constituents. And that's exactly what we did. But there is also a halt. And 25%, as we've always stated, is just too low. [3:06:05, 3:06:07]: Ви канафор та риск. [3:06:08, 3:06:11]: Yes, it is a rollback. We get a rollback from [3:06:12, 3:06:12]: Um [3:06:13, 3:06:13]: The [3:06:14, 3:06:15]: County. [3:06:15, 3:06:21]: We do. So it bounces out. But we also look at other responsibilities. Yes, Councilman Alexander is correct. [3:06:22, 3:06:29]: It has nothing to do with the amphitheater. We paid for that as a splash project. That's our capital project. It's a totally separate fund. [3:06:30, 3:06:50]: And any constituent or anybody who wants and has a question and needs to ask us in regards to the difference between lost and transportation tax and what we spend on that, we have now we have different revenues. We have different revenues to spend certain funds, but we still need to be financially responsible. Our constituents elected us to be. [3:06:49, 3:06:54]: be financially responsible. I challenge us to be financially responsible. [3:06:55, 3:07:00]: I can't imagine if our police budget is eight million and I'm thinking that's way high. [3:07:01, 3:07:04]: And then I look at a chart and it shows that ours is low. [3:07:05, 3:07:07]: What it's gonna take to get us to the level [3:07:08, 3:07:10]: Where everyone else is based off of that population. [3:07:11, 3:07:12]: If needed. [3:07:14, 3:07:14]: We [3:07:15, 3:07:17]: Said this was coming. [3:07:17, 3:07:20]: I'm not gonna say I told you so. I'm gonna tell you I told you so. [3:07:21, 3:07:34]: And we told you so over and over and over again, whether it was in debate forums, whether it was during the campaign and everybody went to politic or whatever the case may be, we told you so. [3:07:35, 3:07:45]: I'm not gonna sugarcoat it to the constituents. I'm not gonna hide it. There is a need and it's unfortunate. I hate that. I have spoke I've stated it over and over again. [3:07:47, 3:07:49]: Nothing against the police department. [3:07:50, 3:08:06]: But once we get a police department, our responsibilities in regards to property taxes, we have to have one. We have to levy it. And we'll still be in the hole if we do the one point nine oh four mil. We'll still be in the hole. We can't afford that. [3:08:07, 3:08:09]: We don't need to be in the hole. [3:08:10, 3:08:12]: We have to do what's right. [3:08:13, 3:08:14]: Even if it hurts. [3:08:15, 3:08:17]: Even if we have to take responsibility for it. [3:08:19, 3:08:19]: And that's it. [3:08:21, 3:08:41]: Mayor. Thank you. I would like to respond. I just wanted to point out Mayor the standby please. Go go ahead and go ahead and do that. Yes, sir. Mayor the the chart, if y'all would see it. I just wanted you to see the millage rates of the other cities that have police departments, like Griffin's is six point two mills, Duluth is six point five, Dalton's eight mills, Douglasville is seven. [3:08:41, 3:08:43]: seven mils, you're at zero. [3:08:44, 3:09:04]: And then Shamley is six point two five. I could give you more of'em. College Parks thirteen. Hateville sixteen and a half. Decatur's twenty. Um here in your community zero. Um your millage rate will be a small percentage of a residence tax bill. The school board's twenty three point six mills. I know. [3:09:04, 3:09:14]: They got twenty mills plus a bond millage rate. The county levies uh eight and a half mills for um general operations. Um [3:09:15, 3:09:20]: The county is eight point six nine nine mils for general for general operations. Um [3:09:21, 3:09:25]: Um one point nine oh four for police, one point two one one for fire. [3:09:26, 3:09:45]: Point six oh one for recreation, point three one eight for the unincorporated code enforcement. And so you can see your millage rate, whatever y'all decide, is gonna be a small, small percentage of the overall taxpayers bill. I apologize to you, Mr. Alexander, and you no actually mister Thank you, Ed. Mr. Plunk, go ahead, please. [3:09:46, 3:09:54]: Uh thank you for that uh presentation, Mr. Walls. Um one of the things I has been saying because [3:09:55, 3:09:58]: We have a police department now. Exactly. [3:09:58, 3:10:02]: But Mr. Walls, you came to us prior to that decision being made. [3:10:03, 3:10:08]: And you explained to this counsel what it would take not to start a police department. [3:10:08, 3:10:10]: But you talked to us about sustainability. [3:10:11, 3:10:12]: For a police department. [3:10:13, 3:10:18]: You talked to us then about the decisions that was gonna be made to implement a police department. [3:10:19, 3:10:21]: And one of the things that you told us. [3:10:21, 3:10:23]: That resonated. [3:10:23, 3:10:26]: That you knew our city attorney at the time knew [3:10:27, 3:10:35]: Our city manager, Mr. Knight knew, uh finance uh treasurer knew is that a tax, and you clearly told us. [3:10:36, 3:10:41]: When you start this police department, a tax is gonna have to be implemented to sustain it. [3:10:42, 3:10:43]: I ask you [3:10:43, 3:10:52]: Mr. Knighting, and I asked our treasurer to do uh a uh a budget analysis for me from 2019 to 2024. [3:10:53, 3:10:54]: And when you all did that [3:10:55, 3:10:59]: It was on point because by twenty twenty four our budget doubled. [3:11:01, 3:11:02]: It doubled. [3:11:03, 3:11:10]: To have a police department to sustain it right now. When I came on this council, our budget was around twelve million dollars. [3:11:11, 3:11:14]: And it costs almost that much to sustain a police department. [3:11:15, 3:11:16]: Eight me now. [3:11:17, 3:11:23]: And what's gonna hap and what's gonna happen, those those numbers don't go down. They normally go up. Yes, because of inflation. [3:11:24, 3:11:36]: And what happens is that well since we started a police department, I think that what we should have done is got the citizens involved on what we was gonna have to do to subs to to sustain a police department. [3:11:37, 3:11:38]: Because [3:11:39, 3:11:44]: When a police department was voted on for three milyen dollars to start it. [3:11:44, 3:11:49]: The first time Councilwoman got and I knew about it was at the council meeting that it was gonna happen. [3:11:52, 3:11:54]: And so what I'm waiting to see [3:11:54, 3:11:56]: Туда труатисхол процес. [3:11:58, 3:12:04]: I wanna see the people that got us into this continue to make the votes to carry us through this. [3:12:05, 3:12:06]: That's what I want to see. [3:12:07, 3:12:10]: So thank you for giving me that information, knowing [3:12:11, 3:12:14]: That in order for us to have this police department, you told us before it was started. [3:12:15, 3:12:17]: That a tax will have to be levyed on the citizens. [3:12:18, 3:12:22]: And that message didn't make it to the citizens. [3:12:22, 3:12:24]: Mr. Alexander, go ahead, please. [3:12:25, 3:12:30]: Let me just say this again. I will go to my grave and I would make that vote a million times more. [3:12:31, 3:12:51]: I would never change it. It was the right decision then. It's the right decision now. It takes courage to be up here. And you got to make bold decisions in order to protect the city. It was the right decision to make. All of the people, all of the uh departments that you mentioned, the cities that you mentioned on there, they have their own police department. [3:12:51, 3:13:02]: don't they? Yes sir. There's a reason that they have their own police department. Because public safety is the top priority for everybody. The coverage that we were receiving from the county was not sufficient. [3:13:03, 3:13:12]: The city was becoming less safe over time. And we've been able to make that decision and again I'd make that decision. I would not change a thing. [3:13:13, 3:13:32]: Now, it is a false narrative to say that that information did not get to the citizen. Mr. Blount, you told the citizen that 50 times, a hundred times at every time we talked about it, every meeting. Miss Gantt did the same thing. You did it on social media next door. You told them at every opportunity. You went on TV, told them that. [3:13:32, 3:13:52]: Uh when Mr. Tom Jones came out here, you told him the same thing that the city would have to implement that possibly implement a tax. We're we're at that crossroads where we have to make a decision right now. But there are options on there where we might not have to do a tax. Now, whether we choose to choose that option or not is up to this council. We could take three million. [3:13:52, 3:14:03]: billion dollars out of the fund balance and not implement a tax. We certainly have that option. Whether we choose to do that or not, it's totally up to this council on what we choose to do. [3:14:04, 3:14:24]: Because again, the county and the requisite is twenty-five percent fund balance. We' significantly over twenty-five percent. But in the end, again, I uh what are you saying? Well are you saying that we shouldn't have a police department now? I'm never gonna say that. I would never say that we made the wrong decision. [3:14:24, 3:14:44]: And not having a police department. We made the right decision. Because if we did not make that decision at that time, we would not have Chief Tramer. We would not have 50 plus officers on our streets here today. I will go to my grave standing by that decision and I would make the same vote today and every [3:14:44, 3:14:48]: Every other time because this city is safer because of the vote that we made. [3:14:50, 3:14:53]: Okay, stand by please. Mrs. Gantt, Ms. Gantt. [3:14:53, 3:14:55]: Alright. [3:14:56, 3:14:57]: Um Councilman Alexander? [3:14:59, 3:15:19]: I beg to differ. I think that the Herring County Police Department did a great job and I don't think crime was increasing. In fact, the data showed all the time that the crime actually the last report that the crime had reduced and the reporting time was pretty much the same as we're getting reports now. No one is saying that we are against the police department. [3:15:19, 3:15:26]: We've said that from day one. This is not political. I am not here campaigning. I'm not up here for reelection. [3:15:27, 3:15:30]: What we're saying and what I'm saying and what I've always said. [3:15:31, 3:15:32]: Yes. [3:15:32, 3:15:40]: I'm not against the police department, but I am against at this point in time, because of where the com our economy is. [3:15:41, 3:15:43]: Our constituents. [3:15:43, 3:15:46]: being text. But that happened. [3:15:47, 3:15:48]: And is spoiled milk. [3:15:50, 3:15:56]: Now we can't afford not to implement a tax. We cannot afford to do that. [3:15:56, 3:15:59]: It would be financially irresponsible of us. [3:16:00, 3:16:01]: You know it? [3:16:01, 3:16:02]: And I know it. [3:16:03, 3:16:05]: Unfortunately [3:16:05, 3:16:13]: And I applaud our police department every chance I get. And I tell the story of how I didn't want a police department. I talked to the chief and told him why. [3:16:14, 3:16:21]: I don't sugarcoat it, I haven't hit it, and you can find it on any social media that I've written about it and stated it. You are absolutely correct. [3:16:23, 3:16:24]: But steel. [3:16:26, 3:16:29]: Вирган такс. [3:16:29, 3:16:32]: There's no need to debate it and apologize at this point. [3:16:34, 3:16:36]: It is what it is. [3:16:37, 3:16:38]: Let's be realistic. [3:16:39, 3:16:43]: And let's vote, let's decide what that meal is gonna be. [3:16:43, 3:16:45]: That's where we are today. And no [3:16:46, 3:16:47]: I'm sorry. [3:16:47, 3:16:56]: We're not willing to take another three million out of fund balance. We need to save at this point. We've spent a lot of money. [3:16:56, 3:16:57]: Quickly. [3:16:59, 3:17:05]: And growing. I don't know what the proposed budget for our police department is for next year. [3:17:05, 3:17:06]: I have no clue. [3:17:08, 3:17:28]: I'm totally not against the police department. And our Henry County Police Department did a fine job too. One of the things some cities said is, boy, I wish I remember Mayor Billy Copeland saying that to me one time. You, Stockbridge, did one of the smartest things, and if I ever, if I could take back anything, [3:17:28, 3:17:31]: it would be that McDonough had their own police department. [3:17:32, 3:17:36]: Now that's spoiled milk. We are here. We have a police department. [3:17:37, 3:17:40]: What we're talking about is what is that millage rate gonna be? [3:17:41, 3:18:01]: The community is in an uproar. I'm in an uproar. We all are. Our county taxes have increased tremendously. Every single person in here has a bill that has skyrocketed. When asked what that bill and why has it increased, it increased because of the school tax. [3:18:01, 3:18:21]: Tax. Not because of a county, not because of um uh whatever the h Henry County schools. And so we need to ask Henry County Schools, the board of education, why we have this tax increase on that. But that has nothing to do with the city and our spending and what we have to do. Yes, we get a rollback. [3:18:21, 3:18:22]: So [3:18:22, 3:18:24]: Hopefully our constituents understand. [3:18:25, 3:18:30]: Part of the county taxes that you pay, you were paying police services for Henry County Police Services. [3:18:31, 3:18:35]: That money will now be rolled back, and so we will be levying a tax. [3:18:37, 3:18:45]: on the police services, which means there's a deduction from that side, meaning county should lowered a little bit. But that doesn't mean [3:18:46, 3:18:47]: That we [3:18:47, 3:18:52]: are in the clear. Once again, four meals gets us in the clear. [3:18:53, 3:19:04]: Three point five is it or three mils gets us three point seven seven. Three point seven seven has us spending about fifty four thousand fifty four thousand out of our fund balance. [3:19:06, 3:19:07]: Now these are [3:19:08, 3:19:16]: Are are are accurate numbers. And the reason why they're accurate, this was discussed, this was discussed. [3:19:16, 3:19:18]: A couple years ago. [3:19:18, 3:19:24]: And here we are now. At that time when it was discussed, it was said it's not gonna happen. It's not true. [3:19:25, 3:19:28]: Oh no, the police budget is not gonna be that much. [3:19:29, 3:19:32]: All of those things were said. You can go play the tapes. [3:19:34, 3:19:36]: And here we are. [3:19:37, 3:19:42]: And so we need to stop debating. This is not political. [3:19:42, 3:19:46]: This is not oh politics, we're fighting no. [3:19:47, 3:19:54]: It's time to decide what this meal is gonna be because we have to have this in by when? June or July? [3:19:55, 3:20:11]: Uh July and and as I go through the slides I'll I'll give you that chronological on the step by step of how if that was to happen with the law needs to happen. I haven't finished with the presentation yet. Okay. So once we decide make that decision, this has to go ahead and get in. So we have to go ahead and vote for this. We have to decide [3:20:11, 3:20:18]: Are we gonna be financially responsible or are we gonna do this to shy away because we're worried about we're not we won't get reelected again? [3:20:18, 3:20:38]: That's what that's what we really need to decide. No, that's not a point of order. That's the truth. He has a point of order, but it's the truth. But okay. Let's let's do this. Mr. Gardner, my understanding is and I know you I say you're gonna cover this. It's a discussion and you go through the process, but before we even take a vote, I believe it's some type of public. [3:20:38, 3:20:57]: public hearings and things of town halls and informational sessions we have to go through before we make a vote. So we're not voting on this tonight. This is an information pony for discussion, is what I thought. And that's part of that process that you're gonna cover further on into this briefing in the presentation. Okay. Sta sta okay stand by please. Miss Beanna, you done with your comment? I am. Okay. Mr Blount. [3:20:58, 3:21:00]: Um I I just want to say this. [3:21:02, 3:21:05]: One of the things that I I talk about process. [3:21:06, 3:21:14]: I talked about this process of the police. We have a police department now. The ball has been rolling. And the greatest thing that we could ever do on this diets. [3:21:15, 3:21:29]: is to vote to support this police department and vote to fund it in a way that it keeps our officers in this city safe. We can't change it now. We can't stop how it be came about. We can only move forward. I agree with that tot totally. [3:21:31, 3:21:32]: But as Mr. Alexander did say. [3:21:34, 3:21:36]: I wanted us to let the citizens know. [3:21:37, 3:21:39]: What was going to happen? [3:21:40, 3:21:46]: when this police department came online. And the reason John Blount kept saying so many times [3:21:47, 3:21:58]: It's gonna have to be a tax is because it was told to me by everybody that knew, our financial advisor, our city manager at the time and our treasurer, that we can't do it without one. [3:22:00, 3:22:02]: And the reason I said it so much [3:22:02, 3:22:08]: Because it was contrary to what was being said on what I was saying. I'm saying we're gonna have to have a tax. [3:22:09, 3:22:12]: And you got other elected bodies saying no tax. [3:22:14, 3:22:15]: No tax. [3:22:16, 3:22:20]: Even as a few weeks ago on the TV, on the on the on the news, there's no tax. [3:22:21, 3:22:23]: And we talk about transparency. [3:22:25, 3:22:45]: I'm talking about transparency. I'm not saying we didn't need a police department. I'm just talking about the process where we went. Every s if we talk about, we can go ahead and talk about this and talk about that, knowing that if we're gonna inform the citizens, let them know the decisions we're making have the implications behind. [3:22:45, 3:22:52]: It the sustainability was gonna need it behind it, and everybody nobody's in the blind. I got people right now. [3:22:53, 3:23:02]: Saying, hey, you guys getting down. There's no tax, you you you all got a police. No, no. We're gonna have to implement a tax to subs to to sustain this police department. [3:23:03, 3:23:06]: And it's nothing contrary to what was already told to us. [3:23:07, 3:23:12]: I'm not saying I'm I'm never gonna say I was against the police department when we had our retreats. [3:23:13, 3:23:15]: That was one of the things we wanted to do. [3:23:16, 3:23:24]: But we didn't know that three council members were gonna sit here and pay three, three million dollars to start it without us getting together and saying, hey, how do we need to go about doing it? [3:23:26, 3:23:28]: That's that that was the process. [3:23:30, 3:23:38]: So informing the citizens and this city coming together and moving about it the right way. But now we're we're here now, and this is what we have. [3:23:39, 3:23:42]: We have it right now at a time. [3:23:43, 3:23:50]: Well I know my taxes are going up. We just implemented up up in uh monies for public works uh services. [3:23:51, 3:23:54]: I'm just saying if if it's got to be paid. [3:23:54, 3:24:01]: And if it's going to be paid at a time we implement anything, whereas a police but it's just letting the citizens know. [3:24:02, 3:24:09]: We don't put the cart before the horse, and I believe we did that in this instance. But now we need to make whatever decisions we need we need to make. [3:24:09, 3:24:13]: to not only put our city back in the financial give it more financial strength [3:24:14, 3:24:17]: But also to support this police department the way it needs to be supported. [3:24:18, 3:24:38]: Mr. Ann Silent, you got it next. Can we make it short so we can move on with presentation? Sorry, Mayor Pro Tem is headed up. I didn't see your hand. Go ahead, Mayor Pro Tem. My hand has been raised. I didn't see your hand, Mayor Pro Tem. Go ahead, please. Perhaps you need to look on this end. Mayor Pro Tem, I didn't see him. I'm trying to be as respectful as I possibly can, but I see you are not. [3:24:38, 3:24:45]: being respectful. Nonetheless. [3:24:46, 3:24:47]: Oh boy. [3:24:48, 3:24:50]: So I wanted to mention [3:24:50, 3:24:52]: about bonding. [3:24:53, 3:24:55]: Mr. Wall when he came here. [3:24:55, 3:24:57]: Um last year. [3:24:57, 3:25:03]: When we discussed the plans for how we would fund the police department. And let us not forget. [3:25:04, 3:25:09]: The seven milion dollars that was needed to complete the construction of the anfitter. [3:25:10, 3:25:12]: Because of the cost overruns. [3:25:12, 3:25:15]: When I came here, I inherited. [3:25:15, 3:25:19]: Алат бад десин бадис кансу. [3:25:20, 3:25:22]: All the cost overruns. [3:25:22, 3:25:24]: From the amphitheater. [3:25:24, 3:25:27]: We were already in the home seven million dollars. [3:25:28, 3:25:38]: This council approved well, myself and two other council members approved a twenty five million dollar bond. Is that correct, Mr. Wall? Yes, ma'am. [3:25:39, 3:25:41]: You walked us through several scenarios. [3:25:42, 3:25:47]: Они сев мільйон долар то комплекта конструкціонев, амфітер. [3:25:47, 3:25:50]: Three milyen dollars for the start-up of the police department. [3:25:51, 3:25:52]: One miljon dollar. [3:25:53, 3:25:54]: To fund the master trail plan. [3:25:55, 3:25:56]: And the other fourteen million. [3:25:56, 3:25:59]: For the construction of the Cultural Arts Center. Yes, ma'am. [3:25:59, 3:26:02]: We know that we can't move forward with the Culture Arts Center right now. [3:26:03, 3:26:03]: Yeah. [3:26:04, 3:26:06]: As it pertains to this police department. [3:26:07, 3:26:10]: Even the plan that you brought to us, we only considered [3:26:10, 3:26:12]: The population [3:26:12, 3:26:16]: Of residents that were in the city at that time. [3:26:16, 3:26:17]: It did not include [3:26:18, 3:26:21]: The newly annexed residents as of [3:26:22, 3:26:22]: This year. [3:26:23, 3:26:23]: That's right. [3:26:23, 3:26:31]: Okay, so can we start from that point? Because I believe here in this budget you showed [3:26:32, 3:26:35]: Stockbridge Police Department with its population. [3:26:36, 3:26:38]: Of thirty five thousand. [3:26:39, 3:26:46]: thirty five thousand includes those newly annexed residents as of january twenty twenty three. Is that correct? [3:26:47, 3:26:50]: Yes, ma'am. Okay. So does this police annual budget? [3:26:50, 3:26:58]: This eight million dollars, it includes the newly annexed residents as of January twenty twenty three, correct? [3:26:59, 3:27:05]: When we originally bonded the three million dollars, we did not take in account [3:27:05, 3:27:06]: Any [3:27:06, 3:27:08]: Increase in population. [3:27:10, 3:27:13]: So let's start there. Let's be real transparent about what we're doing here. [3:27:14, 3:27:20]: 'Cause what I'm not going to be accused of is being fiscally irresponsible and lying to the people. [3:27:21, 3:27:21]: Mm. [3:27:22, 3:27:25]: I have told every resident that I've spoken with. [3:27:26, 3:27:27]: You're already paying. [3:27:28, 3:27:30]: A tax for public safety. [3:27:30, 3:27:32]: That tax is being paid to the county. [3:27:33, 3:27:40]: Now that the city has started its own police department, you will continue to pay for public safety. [3:27:41, 3:27:43]: Those funds will now just be directed. [3:27:44, 3:27:45]: To the city. [3:27:45, 3:27:47]: To fund the police department. [3:27:48, 3:27:54]: Of course, we have blown through um our fund balance. You got this ampitator. [3:27:55, 3:27:56]: with no funding source. [3:27:57, 3:27:58]: It's draining. [3:27:58, 3:28:01]: It's draining our fund balance, but y'all don't want to talk about that. [3:28:02, 3:28:06]: So we'll just stick with this narrative of the police department. [3:28:06, 3:28:09]: Із вот'нин а фун баланс. [3:28:10, 3:28:10]: I hope [3:28:11, 3:28:15]: that when we do have our mid-year budget review [3:28:15, 3:28:16]: That you include [3:28:16, 3:28:21]: All the financial surrounding the operations of this amphitheater. [3:28:22, 3:28:24]: Be transparent about that. [3:28:24, 3:28:27]: As well as this police department. [3:28:27, 3:28:27]: And [3:28:28, 3:28:30]: all of the operation costs associated with it. [3:28:31, 3:28:33]: That's all. Miss Alexander, please. [3:28:34, 3:28:54]: Let me uh uh applaud Mayor Pro Tem on her breakdown of sixty seven hundred extra citizens were actually not considered during that time and obviously that funding uh that's what has put an extra burden on the police department. That's the crunch that we're in right now. [3:28:54, 3:29:09]: 'cause what we decided to do was to start the police department with what we had. But you know, like I said, I would make that vote again a hundred times. How did we how why did those residents vote to come into the city? One of the main selling points were [3:29:09, 3:29:29]: We have our own police department, right? That was one of the main things that we were able to tell them at the town halls when they were considering how they were gonna vote, is that we had our own police services and our own police protection for the city. I will disagree with the assessment of the amphitheater, however. [3:29:29, 3:29:49]: And I think, Mr. Gardner, you could kind of back that up. Because the percentage that the amphitheater actually represents the budget is is not is not that is not a significant portion uh of the budget. It is not as I'm I'm not arguing, I'm just saying it's not a significant portion of the budget. You start with the police. [3:29:49, 3:30:09]: Police department, you will go to the public works, you will go to other departments as well where the amphitheater is not that, is not that state. Also, when we plan the amphitheater, hold on one second, I want to interrupt you. All right, and I congratulated you. Now let's talk about the planning for the actual amphitheater itself. Part of the planning [3:30:09, 3:30:29]: Plan was Mr. Wall would be able to tell you is that we put we had civic projects in the SPLOSS budget where we were able to pay for a significant portion of the bond. So what we really did was when we bonded, when we decided the pavement plan for the amphitheater, we basically anticipated that we would have that. [3:30:29, 3:30:49]: That money being paid back through SPLOS. So the run the overruns that you're talking about are actually not were those overruns were actually being covered by those splot the SPLOS revenue that we had coming in because we have projected how much we were going to spend on the particular facility. [3:30:49, 3:31:09]: Of course, we went through one of the slowest periods of economic collapse in the country where we had the pandemic hit us at that particular time. But you know, there was a brilliant article that was written during that time in the AJC that said, where did this facility come from when every [3:31:09, 3:31:11]: Everybody was shut down. [3:31:11, 3:31:22]: We had uh the construction costs of the amphitheater when people were looking for projects and it was being constructed, the amphitheater was one of the only games in town where everybody else could not [3:31:23, 3:31:43]: move forward. We were moving forward and we didn't stop the progress. And I'm and I wanna just say that because in the end, three new restaurants are in downtown Stockbridge now because we built that facility. And I don't want to get dissuaded and saying that I certainly don't believe that the police department is blowing up our budget. As you said, we ate [3:31:43, 3:32:03]: At 6,700 new citizens. But I I wanna keep it in perspective and say what you have that right there in front of you, Mr. Gardner, is that it's not the amphitheater that's draining the budget. There's certainly a lot of things going on in terms of the overall cost. And every time we have the uh public works [3:32:03, 3:32:23]: So come before us, you know, we decided to give everybody$15 an hour because we know that the cost of living in this city, in this county, was uh actually increasing. We made we made sure that our employees were properly paid, that they could survive and live in this county. So we made some really good decisions and in the [3:32:22, 3:32:33]: end our fund balance now is higher than most cities in the state of Georgia. Is that not correct, Mr Mr Mr Mr I'm sorry, Mr. Lung isn't that correct? [3:32:33, 3:32:34]: So it um [3:32:35, 3:32:55]: It it used to be higher than most anybody. Mm-hmm. N now it's about average. About average, right? Yes. But it's still in good position, right? Six months is great. Yes. But the but but it but it hasn't really when you say it was higher than average because the budget was a lot lower. When I got on this council, the budget was eight million dollars. So the budget [3:32:55, 3:33:08]: budget has increased the eight million dollars, the police department does not represent uh the sixteen million dollars in its totality, the city has been growing with a growth cert with so many residents moving in. [3:33:09, 3:33:29]: And so many and the city growing. So let's say again, why when I joined the council, our first budget was like eight point six million dollars. We're at twenty-four going to twenty-six. Now you're saying that worst case scenario, the police department might represent seven or eight million dollars of that what we have on here in these projections. [3:33:29, 3:33:45]: Eight eight point two of twenty six. So we went from eight to twenty six. So if you add the police department budget at eight million dollars, that still leads the city's growing. Ten million dollars lead that leads to ten million dollar growth in other areas, correct? [3:33:46, 3:34:06]: Yes, sir. So the police budget is thirty two percent of your budget. Right. Because we we certainly understand that. And then again, uh as you say, it it the the at the one point oh nine, even if we did decide to implement option number two, which left us in a position where we had a fifty four thousand dollar [3:34:06, 3:34:26]: $54,000.$1.09 of that is already being paid. So in essence, we would be implementing maybe, let's say, one one point eight seven, maybe. No, I can't I want to do the math. 1.866. 1.866. [3:34:26, 3:34:46]: Because the the residents are already paying 1.904 already. So in essence, we would be the the the the end it would not be a 3.7 mil meal increase. It would only be a 1.866 mil increase if we decide to do that. So I don't want to get caught up in it as I [3:34:45, 3:35:05]: I told you it was going to be this. We are where we are. We made the correct decision in what we are doing in order to make this city safe. And I want to make sure that we keep it in perspective because our shining star out there is driving economic development in the city, which is the amphitheater. So what percentage of the budget does the amphitheater? [3:35:05, 3:35:08]: Theater represent Mr. Gardner. [3:35:08, 3:35:09]: I don't know. [3:35:10, 3:35:15]: I'm sure you've been working on that calculation while we've been talking. So [3:35:23, 3:35:24]: I can't see the mouse on this thing. [3:35:29, 3:35:30]: Mm-hmm. [3:35:31, 3:35:34]: So when you look at this chart this kind of give you an idea. [3:35:35, 3:35:44]: Um so covered in that sixteen percent is all of your debt service. So remember you're still paying for City Hall. [3:35:45, 3:35:50]: That's still on your dad. And we owe more on City Hall than we do on amphitheater, right? [3:35:50, 3:36:10]: I don't know what the amphitheater is one million a year. City Hall, I think is a m City Hall's about a million two. Right. And then the bonds for the Cultural Arts Center and the three million for the police equipment is like a million five. Mm-hmm. So sixteen percent is going to all your debt service that covers all of those all of those. Right, but the amphitheater represents a fraction of [3:36:10, 3:36:30]: It's probably around three to three percent, five percent. Well out of a hundred percent budget, the amphitheater represents three percent of that particular budget. Public safety thirty two, general fund government thirty one, public works, twenty-one percent. Yeah, we're talking about the that's why [3:36:30, 3:36:50]: I say we keep we we we skipping over that we always talk about public safe public safety and the amphitheater, but we don't talk about public work. And Mr. Aaron, I'm not beating you up. That's what that's what sustains the city. That's the infrastructure. But those are the budgetary items that where the money is going. We can't focus so much on 3%. [3:36:50, 3:37:02]: of the budget we should be focusing on the ninety-seven percent and that's my argument. Yes, we want to make sure that we're physically sound with the amphitheater, but the amphitheater is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing. [3:37:02, 3:37:22]: It's driving economic development with frozen smokes open, carbecue open, Greenfront open, Angie's Cafe is open, several other new businesses are coming down here. So it's just like what Cobb County did when they invested$400 million in the in the Braves Stadium and it generated a billion dollars in economic development. [3:37:22, 3:37:38]: It's not gonna be be direct proportionately, it's gonna be our downtown filling up and the rest of the city surrounding it. So that's that that was my point. I'm done. Thank you, Mayor. Uh stand by please. Yes sir. Mr. Thomas, go ahead. Mr. Wallace, I'll be sure. Yes, sir. [3:37:38, 3:37:58]: I I just want to say, uh, Councilman Alexander, I'm I'm going to agree with your comprehensive outlook of where we are here in the city. But Mr. Walls, I just, you know, I want to thank you for always being uh honest and truthful and and bringing us the facts and the truth. And and I believe in the facts. [3:37:58, 3:38:00]: and the truth and we just have to deal with that. [3:38:01, 3:38:01]: Hmm. [3:38:02, 3:38:07]: But I I grew up here in the city of Stockbridge and and and I remember when [3:38:07, 3:38:13]: I remember when the city of Stockbridge had a police department. Uh course the city was much smaller. [3:38:15, 3:38:17]: But we are responsible for [3:38:18, 3:38:21]: Кретин а кваліті в лифт. [3:38:22, 3:38:42]: Municipal governments are always at a challenge. You go across this country, police departments, municipalities, there are always challenges. But it's up to the elected body and staff to be able to work. [3:38:42, 3:38:43]: That [3:38:43, 3:39:03]: But everything we do, and and I must say we have improved the quality of life in the city of Stockbridge. I I think um creating the police department was the right thing to do. Annexing in those citizens was the right thing to do. [3:39:03, 3:39:16]: Excuse me. Building the amphitheater was the right thing to do. And hopefully the path that we lay forward to make sure that we maintain and manage the city would be the right step to do. [3:39:16, 3:39:23]: But I don't think we c we can go back. I don't think we can hold back. And and and when it comes to the county [3:39:23, 3:39:26]: They gonna levy what they levy anyway. [3:39:26, 3:39:28]: That that's the counter, that's what they do. [3:39:29, 3:39:33]: I and and it has no we have no [3:39:34, 3:39:42]: responsibility to to what they do, um, they Henry County is one of the highest county tax anyway. [3:39:43, 3:39:58]: But but but my whole summation is I think we're doing a great job here in the city of Stockbridge. Uh I think we have increased the desire for citizens and businesses [3:40:00, 3:40:02]: That wants to come to the city of Stockbridge. [3:40:03, 3:40:05]: And it is a reason why. [3:40:05, 3:40:06]: For that. [3:40:07, 3:40:10]: And I think this is what we hang our hat on. [3:40:10, 3:40:13]: Yes, we have these challenges. [3:40:13, 3:40:24]: But it's up to all of us to work through rather than slinging mud and who who voted for the police department and who did this and who did that. [3:40:25, 3:40:45]: This is what municipal government is about. This is what elected officials are about. You're gonna always have a disagreement. You know, there's some items where we have consensus, but for the most part you don't. And I agree that the amphitheater has spurred on a lot when you [3:40:45, 3:41:05]: You hear the conversations. Um, and when we get to the point with the cultural arts, it's gonna do the very same. It's gonna be an economic driver. But yes, we have to get to that point. But I'm not disappointed, I'm not sorry about anything that we have done thus far in this city because I've seen. [3:41:04, 3:41:05]: Mm. [3:41:06, 3:41:07]: Where we come from. [3:41:09, 3:41:11]: And and I think it's positive. [3:41:11, 3:41:14]: And when you go out there and talk to the people. [3:41:14, 3:41:21]: They understand too, and people understand in order to have public safety, it's gonna cost. [3:41:22, 3:41:26]: When we had the issue with with all of the cars break in. [3:41:27, 3:41:30]: Folk was really upset about that. [3:41:31, 3:41:43]: But they understand that because we had the Stockbridge Police Department, that they felt a little better because we had that. Now I'm not gonna say too much about when Henry County was um [3:41:43, 3:42:03]: serving the city of Starkbridge. And there were some issues. And all of us here know that there were some issues about the increase in funding that they desired coming from the commissioners. Those are facts. So we almost didn't have a choice if we wanted to elevate [3:42:03, 3:42:07]: public safety in the city of Stockbridge. [3:42:08, 3:42:11]: And as we see what's going on across this country. [3:42:13, 3:42:16]: At some point we had to make this move here. [3:42:17, 3:42:28]: to be proactively making this move for public safety in the city of Stockbridge. We we should not have waited till something just happened and then forced us to do it. [3:42:29, 3:42:33]: But trust me and I believe that we're going to to to catch up. [3:42:34, 3:42:36]: And the other fact is [3:42:37, 3:42:43]: And I want the city clerk or the city manager to do this research and tell me when [3:42:44, 3:42:51]: The city had a city tax. Here we are in 2023. We still do not have a city tax. [3:42:52, 3:42:55]: Nineteen seventy seven was the last year y'all had a tax. [3:42:55, 3:42:58]: Nineteen seventy seven. Okay. [3:42:58, 3:42:59]: You well. [3:42:59, 3:43:19]: Okay,'cause I've been asking the question and and didn't nobody know. The reason why is if you remember nineteen seventy eight, the legislature passed the local option sales tax, the lost. Henry County implemented it and you could roll back all your taxes when you got the new sales tax. Right. And and and and I think we've done well. To be in this position here in twenty twenty three. [3:43:21, 3:43:26]: I think the city have done well even going back to the past elected officials. [3:43:27, 3:43:32]: To this day, right here in twenty twenty three, I think the city of Stockbridge has done well. [3:43:32, 3:43:35]: For forty five years you haven't had a property tax. [3:43:36, 3:43:38]: I'm just saying we have done well. [3:43:38, 3:43:42]: And and and and the response that we get from [3:43:42, 3:43:55]: Everyone. I was with um someone from Priestry City, Pea Street City just the other night and they talk, oh, y'all are doing such a great job. I I I may move to Stockbridge. [3:43:56, 3:44:16]: And this is the comment that we get all the time, all the time. So I'm just saying, I do not feel bad about anything and where we are going. I think we're doing a great job. We just have to buckle down and be a little bit more about doing the work. [3:44:17, 3:44:35]: See, that's the reason I was a little upset about folks where I I I I I don't read the contract, but I'm gonna leave that one alone. But I just wanna say that um we're we're doing pretty good in the city of Stockbridge. And and we really thank you for bringing us the facts and the figure. And don't never shy away from the truth and the facts. [3:44:35, 3:44:53]: We appreciate you giving that and we appreciate the due diligence of our staff, you know, in the trenches working. But I I feel good about uh our city. I really do. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. On that note, there Fred and all yeah, let's let's go forward with the rest of the presentation, please. Yes, sir. You want me to shoot through it. [3:44:57, 3:44:59]: Alrighty, so when we look at [3:45:00, 3:45:09]: Um the current what we we're looking at uh examples of housing prices throughout the city ranging from one hundred thousand to three hundred and seventy five. [3:45:09, 3:45:29]: Obviously, we know that when we're when you do a property tax, you're not taxed on 100% of your housing, you're taxed on 40% of that value. So the assessed value is 40% of the appraised value. So currently, um, when we talk about the 1.904, uh a home and this value [3:45:29, 3:45:41]: Valued assessed at that. It's paying seventy six dollars in property tax annually. [3:45:41, 3:45:46]: Um a home at one seventy five is paying about a hundred and thirty three dollars annually. [3:45:47, 3:46:07]: Um average home price in in Stockbridge is somewhere between one fifty and one hundred seventy five. They're paying around one hundred and seventy two to one hundred to two hundred nine dollars annually. And a home at the high end, which is at three seventy five, um pays about two hundred and eighty five dollars annually in property tax. And then you can see [3:46:07, 3:46:17]: across the miller's rates, um what that me what that means um if those millage rates was impro imposed, um what it would do for homes at those various prices, right? [3:46:18, 3:46:27]: And remember and at the bottom of that chart you see where McDonough has a three point zero zero mil, Hampton has a four point five mil. Um in Henry County [3:46:28, 3:46:30]: If you're in the city, is that ten point five five? [3:46:32, 3:46:34]: That's that's minus the one point oh nine. [3:46:37, 3:46:42]: So what does that typical house type look like? So that house that's valued at a hundred, that's what it looks like. [3:46:43, 3:46:49]: If you look at the four mills, uh at the nine mills, they're paying seventy six or thirty six or three dollars and thirty six cents a month. [3:46:49, 3:47:06]: If you look at a four mill, they're paying$160 or$13 a month. A home at$220 would be is currently paying$1713 a year,$1428 per month. At four would be paying three hundred and sixty. [3:47:06, 3:47:26]: I I just wanted to keep saying this as we say it again. It's the difference between it's not it's not the whole thing. It's the difference between one point oh nine and the destination, right? Because the one point oh nine of of that that that amount is already being paid now. [3:47:27, 3:47:45]: One point nine oh four is already being paid now. That is correct. So let's let's go let's work on the difference. It's it's annualized. But if you had to pay it, you're not gonna be paying with the difference you're paying the total. Right. The annualized total or the monthly total. And that's the reason why we did it this way rather than the other way. But it you are correct. [3:47:48, 3:48:08]: A home at that's valued at 275, currently under the 109, paying$209, about$17 a month,$209 a year. At four would be paying$440 or$36 a month,$440 a year. Um a home at$375 at 09 is paying$280,$85.60 a year, or$23. [3:48:08, 3:48:13]: three eighty a month at four we'd be paying six hundred a year or fifty dollars a month. [3:48:15, 3:48:26]: So when you look at your standby, ms uh Mr. Gardener Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. These values are also tax assessment values. That is correct. Is there a percentage taken off for it or added to it, but just strictly tax assessment value? [3:48:27, 3:48:45]: Say again? They're strictly taxed assessment values. Yes, because that's where your taxes come from. So it's gonna they they they appraise your home and the appraised value is different from your market value. Right. Right? So they appraise your home and then based on that appraisal, forty percent of that value is what's taxed. So that's what's reflected in the previous slide. [3:48:46, 3:49:06]: Right. That assessed value is forty percent of your appraised value. So and the military is applied to that. Yeah, yeah, I mean I I get it, unless you're doing it for so when you show the the home for three seventy five, that's tax assessment, not appraised value. That is the tax assessment. The three seventy the three seventy five is the tax assessed, Edry County tax assessor. [3:49:06, 3:49:07]: appraised value [3:49:07, 3:49:11]: But remember you're only being taxed on forty percent of that. Right. Yeah. [3:49:14, 3:49:24]: And so when you talk about the taxing entity, so for every dollar, if you break down a dollar that you pay in taxes, right around sixty percent of that goes to Henry County School Board. [3:49:24, 3:49:28]: About twenty six pr twenty cents on that dollar goes to Henry County. [3:49:28, 3:49:30]: If you did a four bill [3:49:30, 3:49:50]: 10 cents of that dollar would go to the city if you did that. And right now about five cents on a dollar goes to the Water Authority for as related to the two mils of taxes that you pay to the Henry County Water Authority, which goes away in 2025 or 2026. It's my understanding. So that's that's the distribution. [3:49:50, 3:49:56]: of your taxes of your tax dollar to all the taxing entities in Henry County if the city imposes a property tax. [3:49:58, 3:50:06]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Um I I want to ask uh about homestead exemption, just real brief. Um [3:50:08, 3:50:13]: Do as a homeowner, do you have to reapply? [3:50:13, 3:50:31]: Or is it automatic enrollment for homestead exemption? It's uh it's automatic enrollment as long as you keep that house as your principal house and you put it as your principal house and you apply, it's in perpetuity as long as you stay in your house. Thank you. Uh yeah, so you have to apply for it originally, but once you do, it's in perpetuity. [3:50:34, 3:50:42]: And you guys just saw this slide as it relates to um if you if you take a dollar and and how that dollar is spent per each of your departments, that's how it goes. [3:50:44, 3:50:56]: So next step, right? There is a request um that we have to do and uh according to the tax assessors, we have to advertise a millage rate. That millage rate does not have to be the millage rate that's adopted. [3:50:57, 3:50:58]: Рай, со аводive на експо. [3:50:59, 3:51:17]: The city of Hampton em up imposed a property tax last year. They advertised ten mills or ten point five or something like that. They only adopted a mail rate of four point five. That was was adopted. The reasoning behind the higher number is because if you go to, for instance, a one point nine oh four. [3:51:18, 3:51:24]: And your expenses come out higher, you can't, once you advertise that 1.904, you cannot go above it. [3:51:24, 3:51:44]: You could only go below it. So that's why Hampton did what they did, and they worked their way down through their public hearing process and what their budgetary needs would be, and they adopted that millage rate. All right. So okay, I'm I'm sorry, I want to make sure I'm getting this right. So you can only set that one time, you can't go back and revisit it. Once you set your millers rate and the tax assessor out [3:51:44, 3:51:48]: advertised the a millage rate, a millage rate, mm-hmm, that becomes your ceiling. [3:51:50, 3:52:04]: Right. So you can't say, okay, I'll sell it and then go back to the So if you work your budget and you say, hey Mr. Gardner, we wanna we wanna pay, we wanna build a skyscraper for the city and we're gonna bond finance and the debt services just and your budget rise. [3:52:05, 3:52:10]: And it rise above what you set that mill up, you can't go back and reset that millage rate. [3:52:11, 3:52:12]: So it's your ceiling. [3:52:13, 3:52:18]: That's that's for the one time for that one one time implication you're doing for your for your millage. [3:52:20, 3:52:32]: Yeah, I'm done. Thank the the reason I'm saying is that if it's for that one time budget cycle, we you go and correct it tomorrow. [3:52:32, 3:52:46]: Why would you go higher when we've been told that if we go up to a certain amount anyway, that four mil would suffice? If we go up to five mil, that would definitely suffice. And if it's for that one cycle, why would we advertise six mil? [3:52:51, 3:52:53]: And I and I'll address that right here. [3:52:55, 3:53:15]: So in this chart, if you if you don't if you go to six mils, and and I think everyone is mentioned being fiscally prudent as as a terminology, that six mils of tax would bring you right in about ten point nine million. If you apply that ten point nine million into the nine point nine that we've ejected revenues, that brings you at a total revenue of [3:53:14, 3:53:28]: 30.8. When you subtract your expenses, that gives you a four million dollar reserve after that. And and and and this is just your city manager's professional opinion. [3:53:28, 3:53:43]: That is high. We don't need to be at that number in terms of of adopted rate. Now if that's the wish of council, then council does that. I would not recommend it. We really know what we're gonna do. Why would we average I don't I don't get [3:53:43, 3:53:45]: So if if I could say a little bit about it. [3:53:45, 3:53:46]: So [3:53:46, 3:53:49]: The money that we're collecting on this cycle [3:53:49, 3:54:02]: It has to last you to December of twenty-four. So even though we're collecting it December of twenty-three, it's for January twenty-four to December twenty-fourth. So suppose at the time we advertise [3:54:03, 3:54:05]: And we advertise at six mils. [3:54:05, 3:54:25]: And you come back and set it at this four mils or three point seven seven, that's good to go. But during that time period, suppose the Federal Reserve raised rates or we invade Iraq again. And so if you hadn't advertised the six, you won't have the option to go any higher than whatever you advertise. And so the advertisements just to give you [3:54:25, 3:54:32]: give you a cushion in case something happens in the world and you have to have a higher rate. Otherwise you have to readvertise it again. [3:54:33, 3:54:40]: Sorry. Yes sir. Thank you. There's some strategies what it amounts to, I guess. Oh no though. That's the way I kinda look at it. [3:54:40, 3:54:40]: All right. [3:54:42, 3:54:51]: So that's that's what needs to be done and w we need to have a vote to to advertise that millage rate. And we do say advise at I think in the slide that we recommend it [3:54:51, 3:55:11]: You authorize us to get the tax assessors, Mr. Michael Harris, to advertise the six mil, even though we know we're not we're not probably gonna adopt that millage rate because we don't need that high of a millage rate to cover what we see as our expenses. Um and so what would happen after that obviously is we would go through um advertising for our public hearing and [3:55:11, 3:55:31]: July, and I'll give more in depth in the in a couple slides. One other question before I'm sorry. Now, so we don't know what the county is going to do, and these residents are up under a lot of pressure right now. Is it necessary, is it mandatory that we make the decision before they make their decision, or could we make our decision after they make? [3:55:31, 3:55:40]: No, sir. So we have a time period. We are all on a clock in Henry County to advertise at at whatever millage rate we're gonna do, whether Henry County does a rollback. [3:55:40, 3:56:00]: A rollback, stay as they are, or somewhere in between. That has no bearing on the city of doing its due diligence because they're two separate budgets for two different entities. But those it ain't two separate budget for the homeowners. See, they they got to pay this. So they need to understand what they're up against and certainly it's gonna weigh on my decision on what I do. [3:56:00, 3:56:20]: because if they hit what the what they got in their assessment, we're gonna have to make some adjustments. We have no control over Henry County. Obviously their budget is gonna be set by what it takes to run. Personally we don't have we don't have control over what they do, but as a private citizen, we certainly do. And as private citizen I plan on exercising my freedom of speech. [3:56:20, 3:56:40]: speech uh as a resident because I'm a county resident too. So uh that ain't being political up here. It's just what it is. But the fact of the matter is if they get hit with that full assessment from the school board and the county. Now the school board we understand that's where most of the money is coming from but the county can cut just a little bit [3:56:40, 3:57:00]: bit too. If we got a a lot from the school board and a little bit from the county, it will help out all of these residents and it will make our decision easier on what we do. But based on what we're not knowing that X on what they gotta pay, I'm I I need that information before I make my decision. So when I get to the next slide, you're gonna see what's required. [3:57:00, 3:57:15]: required by the Henry County tax assessors that we move upon to make sure that we are in timing to adopt a millage if we adopt a millage. Right. They're gonna adopt their millage this uh in in in there they should adopt their millage very relatively shortly, right? [3:57:15, 3:57:23]: I don't know when the county is adopting the military. I couldn't tell you. I know they're required to either keep it the same [3:57:23, 3:57:41]: Right. And if they had an increase, Georgia law, one of the few in the country requires that that's an increase, requires you to advertise it. So they have to go through that process. What that end process won't be we won't know until July. We cannot wait till July to do our due diligence because at that point we will have to wait till next year. [3:57:41, 3:58:01]: So we have to act within this time period to do to make sure that we're doing it. They're doing the same thing. If we their process is no different than ours, their dates of adoption will be the same be different, but the month is probably gonna be the same. They're gonna adopt a mileage in July. If we adopt a millage, we have to do it in July to give the tax assessors his due diligence to be able [3:58:01, 3:58:15]: [14295.2, 14299.6]: If you allow me I'll go to the next slide. It kinda lays out some dates. The dates that we [3:58:20, 3:58:39]: got based on our current average meeting schedules. So that'll get that'll kind of give you a better idea. Um to real quick to present this and and um I know a council a few of the council members uh had mentioned about homestead exemption and so yes we can impose a homestead exemption that what that's gonna take is come [3:58:39, 3:58:59]: January of next year, we'll we'll decide, hey, we want to impose a homestead exemption for our residents. Right? You would adopt that resolution or ordinance or resolution or ordinance. That ordinance will then go and give our local legislators, we will lobby them to [3:58:59, 3:59:03]: to take to both the House and the Senate has to approve it. [3:59:04, 3:59:17]: Right. Has to be approved by both houses, both chambers of the house, to allow for the Starbucks residents to have uh to vote on a referendum on homestead exemption. And that would happen in November of 2024. [3:59:17, 3:59:23]: That will take effect in twenty twenty five. That's the process that's laid out by law. So yes, sir. [3:59:24, 3:59:37]: So so how does that affect uh what's the relationship with the county's homestead and the city's homestead? In addition to. So right now as a homeowner, you get about fifty seven thousand dollars in homestead exemption from Henry County. [3:59:38, 3:59:45]: Um I forgot what the number is for the school board. The water authority does not give you anything. Um [3:59:46, 3:59:48]: I don't know, after you still have that slide. [3:59:49, 4:00:09]: I don't know if that has the homestead exemption on it, but I know I know for a fact that doing the research, um, we get about fifty-seven thousand from from um Henry County that's applied. So that obviously lowers what you pay in overall taxes. Cause what it does is it lowers your appraised value. So it's minus from your appraised value, and then you pay a property. [4:00:09, 4:00:25]: as a homeowner. So part of what our analysis is gonna be when council decides, when we have this discussion in October or November, that we want to impose is we need to determine how much of our, what's the percentage of our our homes that are actually owner occupied, right? [4:00:26, 4:00:29]: Which percentage of our homes currently have exemptions? [4:00:29, 4:00:31]: Right, and I'll use the mayor as an example. [4:00:32, 4:00:32]: Right. [4:00:32, 4:00:52]: So the mayor gets that fifty seven, but I think he also gets his military exemption as well. As as a veteran, he does not pay he does he gets a further reduction in his property taxes, um, based on his service to the country. Um so you have all of those that you have to take into account and then you apply that against what it's gonna take for you to run your operations. [4:00:52, 4:01:02]: in the next previous year to whether or not you need to adjust your millage rate either up or down to compensate because once you do that, it lowers what you collect because you exempt [4:01:02, 4:01:08]: X amount for payments. So that's the analysis you have to go through and we'll do that next year to determine what that number would be. [4:01:10, 4:01:20]: Mayor. You go right ahead, please. This is actually and it it probably doesn't even pertain to this, but I just thought about this and I wanted Mayor and Council to be aware. Um [4:01:20, 4:01:22]: Is everyone aware that [4:01:23, 4:01:33]: Well, now we have our police department. Our our police is l actually housed in our police department. But prior to the police department [4:01:35, 4:01:55]: The library and the Henry County Tax and Tag Office is owned by the City of Stockbridge. We built those and that the employees of the county are housed in it. Are y'all aware of that? I just want to make sure that everyone is there's some new people or are people I think that I was [4:01:55, 4:02:11]: talking to and hadn't discovered that. But those buildings belong to us. We actually built those buildings. So there's always been some type of relationship in the past with um the county and working out certain things. And and I just want you guys to [4:02:12, 4:02:13]: Remember that. [4:02:14, 4:02:26]: Those are buildings that are owned by the city that the city spent money and paid for and built years ago. And I th I was shocked at the price tag on the cost of building it. Um you can look it up on Q Public if you'd like. [4:02:27, 4:02:29]: Those buildings are owned by the city. [4:02:30, 4:02:32]: In Iran by the county, just so you know. [4:02:33, 4:02:48]: Yes, ma'am. And and under S D S there's an agreement that allows for them to do that with some carriers that they do for the city as well. Um so on on here you have what's what's the schedule in terms of the five steps. Um obviously oh my god. [4:02:50, 4:02:50]: I see us uh [4:02:54, 4:02:55]: [14584.5, 14588.6]: Uh my apologies. [4:03:08, 4:03:10]: Excuse me, Madam Sneaker. [4:03:12, 4:03:13]: Is it all? Yes. [4:03:14, 4:03:16]: Mm. [4:03:19, 4:03:26]: No what? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I I have it here. I I can't read it from here. I'm sorry. I can't read it. [4:03:27, 4:03:33]: Yeah, I can't I can't read it on this. Let me let me um [4:03:36, 4:03:41]: That one there? Can you read here? Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Thank you we have. [4:03:42, 4:03:44]: All right. Uh [4:03:45, 4:03:48]: So we're there. So step one, um [4:03:49, 4:04:00]: June thirty-first through june twenty-sixth. Uh Mr. Harris need to know the millage rate that we will be advertising at a certain date. Again, it must be the number or higher. [4:04:00, 4:04:20]: Um, but whatever lower than the amount that the board will set, the city council will set. Um, once the tax assessor has got those systems in place, they'll create that five year tax history that needs to be advertised. They're gonna be able to do that and be able to determine, you know, all of the properties that we have in the city, what that overall value is. Right now. [4:04:20, 4:04:23]: We have an estimate one point eight billion. [4:04:24, 4:04:42]: 1.8 billion dollars is what our digest um is gonna work out to, but they'll have that five year history. Um the next step in the process is on June twenty-seventh we'll send uh ad to the paper um advertising the three public hearings that were required by state law to have to adopt a military. [4:04:43, 4:04:50]: Right, and that'll also be done in reference with the five year history of um taxes in city of Stockbridge. [4:04:50, 4:04:51]: Right. [4:04:52, 4:04:53]: Um [4:04:54, 4:05:00]: And it has to be a couple of separate odds that's gonna be sent to enumerise those those dates. [4:05:00, 4:05:05]: The public hearing dates that we're currently looking at right now in terms of the three public hearings. [4:05:05, 4:05:07]: is to have one on our regular schedule meeting. [4:05:07, 4:05:27]: At uh two on our regular scheduled meeting, the first meeting in July, July 10th, at one at eight nine a.m. in the morning, the other one at six PM our regular scheduled time, um on July tenth, the third meeting July twenty-fifth, and on that meeting obviously we'll have a public hearing and then adopt the millage rate on that date. Um that's [4:05:27, 4:05:32]: That's pretty much the s the schedules and the running of the ads that required by law. [4:05:32, 4:05:34]: Um to make this process happen. [4:05:35, 4:05:55]: And so that's that concludes um my presentation to you guys and I'll take any questions you may have. I know we've had a ongoing as we've been um discussing. Um there's been questions going, but that's the process. So the ask is to just to have [4:05:55, 4:06:15]: Michael Harris advertised to six. We will be able to refine our operating costs a little bit more. I see that number moving slightly down from the 3.7, but we had to do a snapshot at this time as to where we are in order to give you guys an idea of what needs to happen. And with that, we'll obviously come a recommended millist rate. [4:06:15, 4:06:16]: Great to go out and then [4:06:16, 4:06:36]: That that decision will obviously be the the city council as to what that millage rate you will adopt, but we will give you a recommended millist rate based on on what we see our expenses um looking like um through the month of June and working with the department heads. Uh and obviously we're scheduled to have our budget retreat with you guys in August well. [4:06:36, 4:06:56]: We go more in depth into the budget and refine it. But at least we'll know, hey, this is our military. This is what we're expecting to have in that year, and then work a little bit more around that. But that's the process in hand. Um wanted to get you that, give you give you this presentation, because obviously we we have to be able to move forward. Um so m the ask tonight is [4:06:56, 4:07:16]: Obviously, that we advertise uh the six mils and then obviously as you know, based on the numbers I've given you, what it would take for us to break even, what it would take for us to do above or beyond break-even um is lower than the projected six mil. So, but it's just that placeholder, like we said, if we advertise here, we don't have to adopt it, but if we ever have to. [4:07:16, 4:07:22]: We can move to that level. We just can't set it at a lower level and then hope to God that we have to move up. [4:07:22, 4:07:40]: Mr. Wall said you can't do that. We can't do that under the law. Um and that's the reason why Hampton did it the way they did. They advertised tan, but they didn't adopt tan, they adopted four point five to cover the expenses. Yeah, yeah, question. Was these calculations done after the [4:07:41, 4:07:46]: Um projections of the new numbers for lost revenue? Yes. So this yes. [4:07:46, 4:08:06]: As you remember, we were supposed to give this presentation um last month. And so then you made the adjustments that you're doing. So that nineteen point nine, we mentioned that the nineteen point nine includes the projected revenue um for for twenty four twenty twenty four, based on the new collection that we're supposed to give us. And and the key to that is twenty twenty five, that number incrementally goes up. [4:08:06, 4:08:18]: which reduces what we were gonna be relying on on property tax. So whatever you said here based on that number and what the budget comes out, you'd either be reducing that, either holding fast or rolling it back moving forward. [4:08:20, 4:08:24]: All right, council, great. I appreciate the presentation, Mr. Gardner. Any other questions for Mr. Gardner, Council? [4:08:24, 4:08:44]: So they need to vote I'm sorry, they need to vote tonight, or is that what you Yeah, so we'd like to get at least get counsel to give us the authority to have Michael Harris do the six mil and then work on the five-year projection. Let me just say this real quick. This this is a very sensitive subject, and you know, things could get just really haywired, misinformation. [4:08:44, 4:08:49]: information out there. I'm I'm you know, I'm not opposed to [4:08:49, 4:08:50]: Um [4:08:51, 4:08:58]: The three point seven seven, which is a one point eight six six difference. But I'm not for advertising the six. [4:09:01, 4:09:07]: I um uh once again I'm on the end of the Mr. Wall is gonna speak to that again. [4:09:09, 4:09:16]: The goal is not to adopt a six mil. Ms. The goal is it you want to have to be prudent. [4:09:17, 4:09:37]: And once again, this is up to council how council votes on it. But that's that's the recommender that we were given to just do that. We understand that it's gonna come in coming below that number. That's why we also incorporated giving you the the example that our sister city just did last year, right, through the process and the reason why the methodology as to why it was done. [4:09:37, 4:09:48]: And Mr. Walty can speak to that again. So if you advertise three point seven seven and something happens in the world and you need to go a little bit higher, you can't. You have to start over the whole three [4:09:48, 4:09:51]: Public hearings, the whole advertisement. [4:09:52, 4:09:52]: And [4:09:52, 4:09:55]: You can't go past when the [4:09:55, 4:09:59]: Henry County tax commissioner, Mr. Harris, sends out the tax bills. And so [4:10:01, 4:10:02]: We would like [4:10:02, 4:10:10]: you to advertise a little bit higher than what we expect you to approve, just so you have the option if something cap bad happens. [4:10:12, 4:10:21]: part of strategy here, I guess, in a sense that you're looking for. Right. And professional opinion strategy here. That's what I'm thinking, okay. Other comments from the council? [4:10:23, 4:10:29]: All right, then uh no other comments need a motion to for them to go to to six, to advertise the six. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. [4:10:29, 4:10:34]: I move that we approve to advertise for six mil um [4:10:35, 4:10:44]: Um we send um uh to our I'm sorry, our tax commissioner to be able to advertise at six mil. [4:10:44, 4:10:50]: We we understand, knowing that we understand, that six mil [4:10:50, 4:11:10]: Well may not six mil would not be where we are. And we know that. So but I uh agree. I think that the strategy within itself, just like anything else, when you do splots and you have broad topics, you know, you say, Okay, this is for [4:11:10, 4:11:30]: Infrastructure. This is for parks. You know, you don't really pinpoint something specific. We're doing the same thing here. There's no difference. And it's gonna be word of mouth. It's gonna be uh the council member saying, hey, yes, it's advertised at six mil, but it won't be six mil. And that's all we [4:11:29, 4:11:49]: We just have to tell people it won't be six mil. We have we have because we care as a source who can put out on his page and everybody else can put out on their pages and can talk, and we can have our PIO officers do it. Um, we can let everyone know that yes, we advertise like that, that's normal and standard. [4:11:49, 4:12:02]: But that is not the intent of this uh of this council. So having said that, I'm gonna repeat my motion. I bel I move that we advertise for six mil. [4:12:03, 4:12:04]: Okay, is there a second to the motion? [4:12:06, 4:12:08]: Is there a second to the motion? [4:12:09, 4:12:29]: Is second uh Mr. Blount second the motion. Okay. All favor motion, please. Further discussion. Go ahead. I don't I don't know why we need it, but Mr. Wall, come back up here, please. Mr. Gardner, come you already there. [4:12:29, 4:12:35]: So now the anticipation is that three point seven seven should be sufficient, correct? [4:12:35, 4:12:49]: That's what I would recommend. That's what you recommend, right? So I'm not saying I'm not saying that I'm opposed to what's going on. Uh uh you know, I'm a supposed I'm opposed to six. Let's say we went [4:12:50, 4:12:51]: Four point five. [4:12:52, 4:13:12]: Higher just to have a little margin in there. But with this day and age with misinformation out there, what goes crazy is I can post it. I certainly will post the information here, whatever that number is gonna be. But there are gonna be people shouting louder and loud and loud. Six. They're gonna do six. They're gonna hit you with six. They're gonna hit you with six. Gonna be on [4:13:12, 4:13:24]: Every institution battling six people right here. I say even if we're gonna do it, we don't have to do six because the positive uh what? It would take a pandemic to get us to six? [4:13:25, 4:13:29]: Yes. It would, sir, yes, sir. [4:13:30, 4:13:50]: So I'm saying I don't wanna hit catastrophe number out there because that number is gonna be calculated and people are gonna be like, if they set six percent, it's gonna be a thousand dollars on your house. So that's what we're gonna get. You do you remember back when Splosh first came out, we used to have to estimate a higher amount so it would run the whole five or six years? Mm-hmm. [4:13:49, 4:13:55]: So that's what this concept is designed to do. I would love for y'all to be unanimous. And so [4:13:56, 4:13:57]: Mr. Gardner. [4:13:58, 4:14:01]: Are you okay with four and a half or five instead of six? [4:14:03, 4:14:07]: I just wanna make sure that we're prudent and recognizing based on our chart. [4:14:07, 4:14:11]: Right. Did that three point seven seven still have you going into reserves? [4:14:11, 4:14:26]: Right. The goal once again is not to d adopt the a the the advertised millage rate. It's a placeholder for us and that's all it is. If you use a lower placeholder and your expenses start to exceed that placeholder, you're stuck. [4:14:26, 4:14:28]: Right, you're going back into reserve. [4:14:29, 4:14:49]: Right? That's that's what we don't wanna do. So i if it's the wish of council and four point five is that number, four point five is that number. Right. Well four point five gives us what it gives us cushion, right? In case things do the expenses are a little bit higher and then obviously you can't prepare for another covet situation. That would be four point two. Four point two puts. [4:14:50, 4:15:00]: So uh the chart y'all have before us, the four point two one five mils added eight hundred thousand to the reserves. So four and a half would give us a million dollar cushion. [4:15:01, 4:15:05]: If um inflation hit eight or nine percent or [4:15:06, 4:15:10]: Uh, you had a big lawsuit and you had to settle it and insurance didn't pay. [4:15:10, 4:15:11]: If um [4:15:11, 4:15:20]: You had a flood and it wiped out some of your wells and your pumps and you had to fix that. So that so that four and a half mils will give you a million dollar cushion. [4:15:21, 4:15:23]: What would five give us? What would five? [4:15:24, 4:15:30]: So the chart shows six mils was a four million dollar cushion, so five would probably be two million. [4:15:31, 4:15:31]: All right. [4:15:32, 4:15:33]: Mayor. Yes, Mayor. [4:15:33, 4:15:35]: We're we're talking about [4:15:37, 4:15:42]: What ifs and is usually is it's for aesthetics. And to be honest with you. [4:15:43, 4:15:55]: We already said we are not going to tax at six mil. We know that we are not gonna tax at five mils, we know that, but strategically we have we we should. [4:15:55, 4:16:04]: These are experts, these are people, I mean, uh, we're following along with what other cities do as well. We're not, you know, we're not reinventing the wheel here. [4:16:05, 4:16:25]: If six mil is the advice, I mean look at Hampton, they did ten. They did no, they didn't get slaughtered. They they didn't get slaughtered because guess what happened? They didn't vote for ten, they voted for four point five. And you're gonna always have people, since when have we been shocked? [4:16:25, 4:16:30]: at people coming in complaining. Nobody wants to be taxed. [4:16:30, 4:16:31]: We know that. [4:16:32, 4:16:37]: Nobody wants to be taxed. Let's be let's be realistic about it. We have to do it. [4:16:38, 4:16:39]: So the three point [4:16:40, 4:16:41]: Again. [4:16:41, 4:16:55]: The th if if we doing three point seven or or whatever we end up doing, that's what we do. However, right now, it'd be wise for us to have that cushion just to f a safety net. [4:16:55, 4:16:57]: And there's nothing wrong with that. [4:16:57, 4:17:17]: Councilwoman Garrett. So stand stand by please. Let but make sure she's done. Oh hold on. Hold on a second. Are you are you done? You're done? Okay. All right. She's done. Go ahead, Mr. Blount. Go ahead with your comment. You got a first and so they either gonna vote on it or they're not gonna vote on it. Yeah. You know, that's you know just go for the vote and they don't vote for. [4:17:17, 4:17:18]: So be it. [4:17:19, 4:17:39]: You know, that's just it. I mean I don't wanna you know come on. So y'all get the concept we're trying to get across. I just wanna ask you to change it down to maybe four point five that gives us a million dollar cushion if something does happen to go wrong. I don't wanna put that big number out there because I know [4:17:39, 4:17:54]: No, the big number is going to be abused. Mr. Alexander, I I uh can I I hear you then then if we're gonna vote for it, we vote for it or vote it down, we vote it down. It's got a first and a second. That's what you wanna do, then make the motion to do it. [4:17:55, 4:18:11]: First of all, we still got a motion on the floor. That's what I'm saying. It's either vote this up or down. All right. And if that's what you want to do, make the motion to do it. Okay, motion made motion been made for six and been seconded. So all in favor of the motion uh all in favor of that motion, please indicate. You said you wanted to be unanimous, right? Okay. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [4:18:11, 4:18:13]: Okay, get three all posed. [4:18:14, 4:18:16]: Oppose or sustain. [4:18:17, 4:18:23]: I'm opposed to what what you oppose or sustain? I oppose this. I think Okay you oppose Miss Barber, you what? You abstain or oppose? [4:18:24, 4:18:28]: Okay, it's three one one. Motion passed. Six it is. Three three [4:18:29, 4:18:33]: Mm. Barber Sustain, Alexander opposed, everybody else approves. Three one one. [4:18:33, 4:18:34]: It passes. [4:18:35, 4:18:40]: Are you opposed? Excuse me. Three two. Passage. [4:18:41, 4:18:49]: Okay, it's amazing that you voted. All right. So okay, so it's three, two. Uh motion passed. It's gonna be six. Okay. [4:18:52, 4:19:12]: All right. Uh so this let's go back. We got uh item number eight that we we wanted to put at the end. This deals once again council consideration to increase FY twenty twenty-four stormwater fees as follows. Base rate tier one single family residential from seven dollars fifty-nine cents to seven dollars ninety-seven cents. [4:19:12, 4:19:32]: Impervious rate tier one single family residential from$29.99 to$31.49. Base rate tier two family residential from$759 to$797. Impervious Impervious Rate Tier 2 Single Family Residential from$59.98 to$62.99. [4:19:31, 4:19:51]: Base rate non-single family residential 20,000 square feet from 759 to 797. Impervious rate non-single family residential 20,000 square feet from uh 299,$299.90 to$300$314.90. The total total overall proposed fee increase. [4:19:51, 4:20:02]: It's from three hundred and seven dollars and forty nine cents to three hundred and twenty two dollars eighty seven cents or four point seven six percent. Uh, we'll imagine that'd be increased there. Mr. Aaron, please. [4:20:02, 4:20:22]: Yes, Mr. Mayor. On the screen, you'll see a comparison between the City of Stockbridge proposed stormwater rates and Herring County stormwater rates. Herring County currently has an RFP out for an analysis and evaluation of their current uh stormwater rate. But Tier 1 single [4:20:22, 4:20:41]: of family residence makes up the majority of stormwater uh parcels in the city of Stockbridge. It's for parcels up to 10,000 square feet. The city's new rates, if approved, would be$39.46 per year compared to the Henry County, which is$39.83 per year. [4:20:42, 4:21:02]: And Henry County does not differentiate. All of their residentials are the same, but the city has a residential rate that's for parcels that's greater than 10,000 square feet. The city charges$70.95. Henry County would still charge$39.83. [4:21:02, 4:21:02]: [15663.1, 15665.1]: So when it comes to the commercial [4:21:06, 4:21:20]: Which is considered a non-single family residential based on twenty thousand square feet. The city charge is three hundred and twenty-two dollars and eighty-seven cents proposed. Henry County is a hundred and sixty-six dollars and sixty-five cents. [4:21:20, 4:21:40]: So for every 4,780 square feet of commercial impervious surface, Herring County charges$39.83. For every 5,000 square feet of impervious surface for the city of Stockbridge, that commercial establishment would be charged$61.94. So that's [4:21:40, 4:21:45]: the comparison. Like I say, Henry County currently has an RLP out to update their stormwater fees. [4:21:46, 4:21:50]: Any questions from Mr Thank you, uh Mr. Aaron. Any questions for Mr. Aaron from counsel at all? [4:21:51, 4:21:52]: Yeah. [4:21:54, 4:22:00]: After no questions in the motion for uh to accept this uh this increase of stonewater fees. [4:22:01, 4:22:06]: So moved. Okay. Is there a second? From uh Miss Kant to who has a second? [4:22:07, 4:22:10]: Second. Mr. Gar uh Mr. Alexander Second. [4:22:11, 4:22:12]: All in favor of motion, please indicate. [4:22:14, 4:22:15]: All posed. [4:22:16, 4:22:36]: You sustain, sir? I oppose. You oppose. Okay. 441 motion passed. Thank you, Mayor. Okay, thank you, sir. All right, announcements and upcoming meeting events. Council uh meetings will be held at City Council Chamber. Noting some board committee meetings will be continued, will continue to take place by Zoom. Meeting dates and times are subject to change. Please [4:22:36, 4:22:56]: visit the city's website at www.city of stopbridge.com for meeting invitation link, Facebook page, or contact city hall offices, 770-389-7900 for updates. Main Street Advisory Board meeting is the second Friday of each month at 9 a.m. at the Welcome Center at 130 Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail. [4:22:55, 4:23:15]: Which is June 9th. City Council meeting the second Monday of each month is 6 o'clock P.M. City Council Chambers June 12th. Youth Council meeting is 6:30 p.m. second Monday of each month. City City Hall, Levi meeting room, City Hall on June 12th. Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, June. [4:23:15, 4:23:35]: 13th downtown Development Authority meeting second excuse me third through third Tuesday of each month. Walking Center 130 Martin Luther King Sr. Headers Trail, which will be June 20th. The Youth Council Advisory Committee meeting 6:30 p.m. second excuse me third Tuesday of each month. Levi meeting room in City Hall, June 20th. And the Planning Commission. [4:23:35, 4:23:50]: Meeting 6:30 City Hall Count uh Council Chambers for Thursday of each month, which will be June 22nd. City Council work session meeting special uh date which will be Tuesday, June 20th. Uh [4:23:52, 4:23:58]: Okay, especially two Tuesday, June twentieth, at six PM City Hall Council June tw or June twenty eighth. It's gonna be [4:23:59, 4:24:04]: June twenty eighth. Instead of instead of June twenty, it's gonna be June twenty eighth. Is that what we're talking about, correct? [4:24:06, 4:24:26]: Okay, all right. And um we have a couple of uh upcoming city events and uh initiatives. Uh join us with an annual um well we had the Memorial Day march on the twenty uh on the twenty ninth, which was yesterday, and so one uh uh e excellent event in that aspect. Started at uh nine o'clock and then went to uh the Memorial Park [4:24:26, 4:24:27]: and back, so worked out well. [4:24:28, 4:24:36]: Actually we were on uh we were featured on channel two batter matter of fact, it was televised a brief moment uh highlighting the the actual memorial marks, believe it or not. [4:24:36, 4:24:56]: Join us for a food truck takes you Tuesday, 5 30 p.m. to 8 30 p.m. at Clark Community Park, 111 Davis Road, and the next one will be June, Tuesday, June 6th. Join Councilman Thomas for Don't Trash Stockbridge centered around education, highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping, and more information to follow on this. [4:24:56, 4:25:16]: Uh honoring veterans uh with a continued salute to all year long. Please send your pictures of veterans to the na the name, branch, rank, years of service to Councilman Thomas. Sends a salute to honor veterans all year long. Please send pictures to R. Rawls at City of Stockbridge dash G A dot G O V. Merit Pro Tem Barber will have a [4:25:16, 4:25:35]: a free Zuma class every Saturday, 8 a.m. uh Monda uh beginning May 6th at Gardner Park uh at uh East Atlanta Road and also Maripotem is going to have a blood drive, emergency blood drive Saturday, uh June 10th, 10 A.M. to 2 PM at at the Ampathea Parking Lot. [4:25:35, 4:25:38]: uh with uh a partnership with life south [4:25:39, 4:25:56]: And I'm going to give the state of the city address on Thursday, June fifteenth, right here at City Hall at six PM. On that note for my additional con Mayor. Yes. We have a town hall at Eagles Landing Country Club uh on the sixth. It's about annexation into the city. [4:25:57, 4:26:02]: Okay, what time is that now? It's gonna be uh at sev s uh s [4:26:02, 4:26:20]: Oh I'm sorry, hold on one second. It's gonna be a six o'clock, okay. And then uh my additional comments deal with of course obviously uh uh covet nineteen is still among us, so make sure you get uh vaccinated and boosted and continu continue to get boosted in this aspect as well. And um [4:26:20, 4:26:22]: Wanna make note that um [4:26:23, 4:26:43]: Uh the amphitheater of course is is not open for regular concerts at Stockbridge AMP dot com. And on uh June third, uh Saturday, June third, we'll have Monica and Tank there. Concert oh gates open at six, concert starts at eight. Uh so uh look at the concert uh acts coming in for this year, this concert season. [4:26:43, 4:27:03]: And for bringing me please, of course, Amazon is a presenting sponsor for us for the rest of this year as well. And additional sponsors will be coming online. I want to make note that uh don't don't recall if you all knew this or not, but of course, the public that is, but Southern Technical College, uh Southern Crescent Technical College had a graduation at the Ampath. [4:27:03, 4:27:23]: Theater on Tuesday, May 9th, and was very successful. And then this past weekend, uh, we were CC, I guess, uh CNC Associates, I guess, what's called, and that and the Georgia National Hispanic Heritage Association have the Hispanic Fest Sasso Fest, very successful event Sunday on the 28th. And uh so otherwise the amphitheater is open for business for rent. [4:27:23, 4:27:40]: And for different types of activities. And uh so these activities thus far that I've mentioned have been very successful to the community and it adds into diversity in our in in our community as well. A great event. On that note, uh councillor, there's no executive items, so I'm asked for a motion to [4:27:40, 4:27:43]: Is we have a second item? I mean second session? [4:27:44, 4:27:48]: Excuse me. Um we have we have is it [4:27:51, 4:27:54]: Okay. Well I need a motion to go into second session, please, council. [4:27:54, 4:28:07]: Uh I need uh for real estate personnel actions and legal actions. I'm sorry. You look you yeah, I need a [4:28:08, 4:28:14]: I make a motion that we uh go into the session for personnel litis real estate and litigation. Okay, is there a second to that? [4:28:16, 4:28:18]: Mm Mr Blount second, then all in favor please indicate. [4:28:20, 4:28:22]: In case you never says we'll go on a sex time, we'll be back, folks. [4:52:25, 4:52:26]: There's a ball. [4:52:27, 4:52:33]: Okay, Madam Clerk, you set? Okay. One one? Oh okay, okay. [4:52:34, 4:52:35]: Mm-hmm. [4:52:35, 4:52:36]: [17556.6, 17558.8]: Fifth. Oh okay, okay. [4:52:40, 4:52:41]: [17562.3, 17563.6]: Or Conya for MB. [4:52:45, 4:53:05]: All right, yeah, we do. A quorum um sh council. Council Jesus Christ. Council uh I need a motion to end executive session, please. Okay, okay from Mr. Blount to Mr. Alexander, all pol all in favor, please. Okay, got a unanimous decision on that. Uh council we actually have no uh particular uh items [4:53:05, 4:53:18]: mention to the public in reference to our execular session at this point. So council, I need a motion to uh end our council work session. From Mr. Blount. Second. Mr. Alexander. All right. Movement second. All in favor, please indicate. [4:53:18, 4:53:23]: Okay, it's the NAS decision. Ladies and gentlemen, good night. God bless you all. We'll see ya soon. [4:53:52, 4:53:53]: Yeah, as uh [4:53:54, 4:53:56]:

--- title: Planning Commission date: 2023-05-25 source: 2023-05-25_Planning_Commission.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:03]: Uh that one that one. [0:00:15, 0:00:17]: Like you are so yeah. [0:01:54, 0:01:55]: Yeah. [0:02:30, 0:02:32]: So reading the other language talking about. [0:02:34, 0:02:36]: Um church right now. [0:02:46, 0:02:46]: [169.2, 169.7]: Yeah. [0:02:50, 0:02:50]: Yeah. [0:02:51, 0:02:52]: Yeah, that's still like [0:02:53, 0:03:01]: So this is about the other. [0:03:02, 0:03:05]: It's that. [0:03:08, 0:03:15]: Yeah, very much. [0:03:25, 0:03:27]: The one is definitely fine. [0:05:18, 0:05:22]: It's now six thirty and the planning commission will meeting will come to order. [0:05:27, 0:05:32]: Uh Mr. Thibodeau, would you give us an invocation? [0:05:34, 0:05:43]: Let's bow ahead. God the Father through Jesus Christ, guide us through these times and help us make the right decision. [0:05:44, 0:05:50]: And direct us to do the right thing for the right reason. In Jesus' name, amen. [0:05:50, 0:05:53]: Thank you, Mr. Thibodeau. We can stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. [0:05:58, 0:06:09]: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic which stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, liberties be justice of all. [0:06:14, 0:06:19]: Mr. Logan, we have a roll call, please. Yes. Askia Abdola? Present. [0:06:20, 0:06:28]: Kathleen Nelson. Present. Stanley Doumas. Present. Harold Thibodeau. Present. And David Planson. Present. Mr. Chairman, we have a quorum. [0:06:29, 0:06:30]: Thank you. [0:06:34, 0:06:46]: I would like for the Planning Commission re uh members to go over the approval of the May twenty seventh meetings and uh make any alterations, amendments or changes that you think are required. [0:06:48, 0:06:50]: Mr. Chairman. Sure. [0:06:51, 0:06:54]: Thank you. Omitted item number five on the agenda. [0:06:54, 0:06:59]: Oh I'm sorry. You c absolutely correct. May I have a motion to adopt the agenda. [0:07:02, 0:07:06]: Um go ahead. I make a motion to adopt today's agenda. [0:07:07, 0:07:09]: And uh ha seconded it, Harold. [0:07:10, 0:07:10]: Second it. [0:07:10, 0:07:11]: Ms. Logan. [0:07:13, 0:07:30]: It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed? Hearing none, the ayes have it. Uh the uh the agenda is adopted. Uh number six, approval of the minutes from April twenty-seventh, twenty twenty-three. [0:07:36, 0:07:37]: Mr. Chair, may I speak? [0:07:38, 0:07:45]: Go ahead, Mr. Thibodeau. The uh invocation was given by Mr. Dumas, so we need to make a correction on that. [0:07:48, 0:07:48]: Okay. [0:08:03, 0:08:05]: Any other changes or amendments? [0:08:29, 0:08:31]: May I have a motion to uh [0:08:32, 0:08:33]: Mr. Chair. [0:08:33, 0:08:36]: Go ahead, Ms. There's one correction. [0:08:36, 0:08:40]: That needs to be made for um the last variance case that we did. [0:08:42, 0:08:49]: So my vote was opposed to that last one. Would you repeat that, please? My vote was opposed for that last variance case, so it wasn't unanimous. [0:08:51, 0:08:53]: If that's what she wrote. [0:09:01, 0:09:03]: So we have two amendments. [0:09:03, 0:09:03]: Right. [0:09:05, 0:09:06]: Any others? [0:09:09, 0:09:16]: Have a motion to adopt the uh April twenty seventh agenda meeting notes uh as amended. [0:09:19, 0:09:30]: Mr. Chairman, I move that we adopt the uh minutes of the April twenty-seventh meeting with the necessary corrections as been articulated. [0:09:30, 0:09:31]: I second that. [0:09:32, 0:09:46]: It's been moved by Mr. Doomis and second by m uh Ms. Uh Kathleen, Ms. Mr. Nelson. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Those opposed? Hearing none, the motion carries. [0:09:54, 0:09:58]: I believe the first item on the agenda is the city of Stock read a text amendment. [0:10:09, 0:10:20]: Did you read the item? Pardon me? You have to read the item. Did you read the item? No, I'll read it. Okay, all right. City of Stockbreak Text Amendment case number TX 202301. [0:10:20, 0:10:31]: Consideration of a text amendment to the stockbridge unified development code UDC in section two point five point two D twelve and section two point five three F eleven to allow [0:10:31, 0:10:49]: hookah bar lounges, cigar bar lounges, tobacco vape shops as auxiliary uses to the primary use of a restaurant or lounge. Currently the above uses are prohibited. Uses within the parkway, within the parkway mixed use, uh [0:10:51, 0:10:55]: Overlay District and the Downtown Village Overlay District. [0:10:56, 0:11:08]: Good evening. Um the purpose of this um text amendment is is to um allow hookahs, hookah bars, lounges, cigars [0:11:08, 0:11:28]: Lounges, tobacco, tobacco, vape shops, as an ancillary uses to the primary use of restaurants and lounges. Um a little background on this. The community development department has has received several inquiries to allow the above reference uses as ancillary or secondary uses. [0:11:28, 0:11:41]: Within a current restaurant lounge business operation within the city. This amendment would allow businesses within the downtown area and along major corridors the ability to expand their client base. [0:11:41, 0:11:48]: and offer a variety of uses and entertainment within a restaurant or lounge location. As an ancillary use, [0:11:49, 0:12:09]: It is the Community Development Department's recommendation that the sales revenue of ancillary use meet the sales revenue requirement of 51% food sales and 49% from hookah, cigar, tobacco, vape, or other sales. This is the current food sales to alcohol sales revenue model currently in place for representation. [0:12:09, 0:12:12]: Restaurants. Staff recommends approval of this text event. [0:12:14, 0:12:16]: Board, any questions? [0:12:18, 0:12:26]: I have one question. Yes, sir. We are all very conscientious of uh tobacco use. [0:12:28, 0:12:30]: Yeah. Um [0:12:31, 0:12:33]: And with the um [0:12:36, 0:12:40]: Tobacco having a uh being a carcinogenic. [0:12:42, 0:13:02]: How is that going to impact uh the people who come to these same establishments and uh you have hookahs and cigars, et cetera, going on? Um when when when when public facilities prohibit smoking, et cetera, in certain areas? Uh currently when we write the the regulations uh [0:13:02, 0:13:18]: Govern this program we will have that they have a re we will make a requirement for them to have a separate room with ventilation for the people who who indulge in hookah or cigar bar, to be in a separate room from the people that's in there eating food or going to the place exclusively for a restaurant use. [0:13:19, 0:13:22]: So in other words, if if if you want to have a hookah bar [0:13:22, 0:13:33]: You have to have uh an additional room or ancillary room where they can go and engage in that. Yes sir. And that's part of the legislation? Yes, that when we write the legislation that that that is what we will include as a requirement. [0:13:34, 0:13:41]: Okay. Yes, sir. I like the savage replace, but I don't like smoke. Yeah, I know. It's voluntary though. All right. [0:13:45, 0:13:47]: Board, any other questions? [0:13:48, 0:13:50]: Mr. Chairman. Sure. [0:13:50, 0:14:10]: I have a question for Mr. Edison. Mr. Doomas. Yes, sir. You use the word several in your narrative. You have received several requests. Yeah, from from uh business owners owners within who were owned restaurants. Would you would you characterize several as being less than ten or more than ten? [0:14:10, 0:14:13]: I'm not exactly sure because um [0:14:13, 0:14:20]: Uh it had to come from like once again, uh many uh business owners that that reside within the downtown. [0:14:21, 0:14:41]: district overla downtown overlay district and the Parkway mixed overlay district. They need they uh feel like they need to have a an additional revenue source and hookah and cigar smoking and stuff like that is very popular and it's allowed in a lot of different places. So they feel they need that additional revenue source. [0:14:42, 0:14:47]: I understand. Would you would you s characterize that you've gotten an avalanche of requests for this or [0:14:47, 0:15:07]: Yeah, um they've spoken to to a couple of council members and expressed their desire to have that right to do so. Um because businesses, there are other businesses outside of those particular overlay districts that are allowed to do so. So I just want to level the playing field a bit. [0:15:10, 0:15:12]: So if you're outside the overlay district. [0:15:12, 0:15:15]: And in a certain district you can have those type uses. [0:15:16, 0:15:18]: And the downtown district being a entertainment district. [0:15:19, 0:15:23]: I mean it would be kinda like natural to have that there. [0:15:26, 0:15:31]: Well I'm gonna go on record and oppose this and I'll tell you why. [0:15:32, 0:15:32]: Okay. [0:15:33, 0:15:46]: We just spent a significant amount of capital, human capital as well as economic capital, taxpayers dollars, to rewrite the UDC. [0:15:47, 0:16:02]: And we employed some brilliant minds to make that happen. And it went through a lot of approval processes, including the community. And the ink is barely dry on that document. [0:16:02, 0:16:04]: Yes. And [0:16:05, 0:16:16]: I'm a little apprehensive about amending it. Yes, sir. When it's bar the ink is barely dry on it. Yes, sir. It's a the people that are requesting this [0:16:18, 0:16:28]: had opportunity during the approved process to voice their concerns and obviously that did not happen. Uh in the [0:16:30, 0:16:36]: Parkway district there are about twenty two pro pro prohibited uses currently. [0:16:37, 0:16:40]: And in the downtown development district, I think there's about twelve. [0:16:42, 0:17:02]: Adult entertainment establishments, etc. etc. I won't list them all because I don't have it in front of me. Yes, sir. So that's my first reason for posing this. My second reason is more related to what Mr. Abdullah said. Yes. With the health concerns. Yes, uh and I [0:17:02, 0:17:15]: I know you use that the restaurant alcohol model t to to determine the amount of sales that should be derived from food. Yes sir. Um [0:17:15, 0:17:35]: I understand that the UDC, the the current UDC is approximately um 15 months old, but zoning ordinances, they are what we call living documents. So they're meant to be amended from time to time as as you implement them and you see that certain things aren't going the way you would like, so we have the right to amend it. [0:17:35, 0:17:55]: to uh so um and it will be amended several more times it's just it's the it's a living document so it's not perfect it's strictly a guide when you first get it and so as you go through several different scenarios or different situations and you find those situations not uh favorable or amenable to the city's policy. [0:17:54, 0:18:10]: policies, then you have the right to amend it to make it more favorable or more. So but and also uh as it relates to um the health um issue, I understand that that that tobacco is a um a big health risk, but uh it will strictly be voluntary. [0:18:15, 0:18:30]: I understand sir that this is not a perfect document. There's no document is. Everything is flexible and I'm not trying to be inflexible, but I think it would be premature to amend it just now for this purpose. [0:18:30, 0:18:31]: Okay. [0:18:33, 0:18:51]: I'm concerned about how the establishment's gonna provide this private area for people to engage in this activity. Uh uh you look at uh the size of the average establishment, I think it has a standing capacity, something like maybe two hundred and fifty people. [0:18:51, 0:19:08]: Well hookah lounges, they're they're required to have a um or cigar bars, they're required to have a certain type of ventilation system in place anyway. Yeah, well well you say you keep saying ventilation, but I'm talking about a separate room. That's what that's what I was I mean, that's something that we we're considering as part of the legislation. Yeah, well seeing the see [0:19:10, 0:19:23]: I think that needs to be set off someplace. I mean my personal opinion that needs to be set off. I think a lot of people wanna uh patronize restaurants, lounges, etc., but they don't wanna be subject to smoke. [0:19:25, 0:19:31]: Uh other uh carcinogenic activities. Yes, sir. And unless they have a private room [0:19:33, 0:19:38]: Even with the ventilation, it's gonna escape out. And so if you got a private room and ventilation, I can see that. [0:19:39, 0:19:59]: You know, but those those uh hookah lounges it it reduces the health hazard. Yes, sir. They will be only g on people will only uh frequent those establishments that are attracted to'em or engage in that activity. Regular I mean other patrons who don't like smoke or anything like that, they will go to the other restaurants in the city that does not engage in that. [0:19:59, 0:20:00]: So it's [0:20:00, 0:20:06]: So we say are are we saying we're gonna have a private room in ventilation? I mean that's a good [0:20:07, 0:20:09]: We got this activity going, you go down the street. [0:20:10, 0:20:26]: No, we're not saying that, uh, Chairman Abdullah. I'm just saying it it would it would strictly be a voluntary process. If you know a restaurant is engaging in hookah or cigar smoking or anything that that's your free right to not to go to that restaurant. You can patronize another restaurant. I I understand that. [0:20:26, 0:20:34]: Uh, but the point I'm trying to make is that I think this activity should be offset from the general population in that establishment. [0:20:35, 0:20:43]: Because there are going to be people that say for instance, you're in a restaurant. Yes, sir. I don't want my granddaughter, uh my daughter to be exposed to smoke. [0:20:44, 0:20:48]: You see what I mean? So if they got a private room offset and ventilation, fine. [0:20:50, 0:20:50]: You see me? [0:20:51, 0:20:52]: And so [0:20:53, 0:20:55]: My personal opinion is that [0:20:55, 0:20:59]: If they're gonna engage in that cabinet habit. And I understand the revenue aspect of it. I appreciate that. [0:21:00, 0:21:00]: Yeah. [0:21:01, 0:21:05]: I think it should be offset someplace. Okay. Uh yeah. [0:21:06, 0:21:15]: And if you can work that out fine, you know. Okay. Uh maybe we can table this to the next meeting so we can kinda work out some of the fine details and [0:21:15, 0:21:18]: Maybe we can get Mr. Doom's support. [0:21:18, 0:21:18]: Okay. [0:21:19, 0:21:25]: I'm not I'm uh l let me let me let me see on the record. I'm not opposed to it. Yes, sir. I just think there should be [0:21:25, 0:21:26]: Uh [0:21:27, 0:21:28]: An offset area. [0:21:29, 0:21:34]: Where people aren't exposed to uh smoke. I mean and I'm and I'm I'm contentious of [0:21:35, 0:21:51]: Cancer. And I know that smoke is one of the major carcinogens for for cancer. So you'd rather see some some regulations accompanying this pardon. You'd rather see some regulations accompanying this legislation before it moves forward. Yeah, I want I want you to here's what I want you to do. [0:21:51, 0:22:07]: I want you to tell the establishment, listen, if you're gonna engage in this activity or provide this, you need uh a separate room. It needs to be cut off from the regular room and you need to have ventilation so people aren't exposed to it. Okay, we can go back to the drawing board and come up with some guidelines. [0:22:07, 0:22:10]: Fine. Is that okay, Ballor? [0:22:10, 0:22:11]: Forced to [0:22:13, 0:22:14]: Yes, it's been advertised. [0:22:16, 0:22:16]: Yes. [0:22:32, 0:22:34]: look at um [0:22:34, 0:22:35]: The suggestions that you make. [0:22:47, 0:22:52]: Needs to be a public need to open a public hearing to have a give the public a chance to speak about this. [0:22:55, 0:22:57]: Soon is the uh citiest. [0:23:04, 0:23:05]: So [0:23:05, 0:23:25]: So uh I I think what council is saying that this has to go forward regardless of buttons. Yes, but they're but we w um but once we tell'em your recommendation, they'll have option to either send it back to refer it back to the planning commission or table it or m or whatever they decide to do. But they will have to refer it back to the planning commission. Okay. Yes, sir. No problem. [0:23:25, 0:23:33]: Um is that it? Yes, sir. That's all I got. May I speak on that? Go ahead. Chair. [0:23:34, 0:23:40]: Uh the only problem that I have is that if this goes to the council [0:23:41, 0:23:45]: They can bypass anything we say at the end of the day. Yes. [0:23:46, 0:23:47]: So that [0:23:47, 0:23:59]: needs to be known. Yes, we'll let that we make recommendations, but at the same time the council can do supersede anything we s settle on here. So this is not the last stop. [0:24:00, 0:24:01]: For the situation we're discussing. [0:24:02, 0:24:10]: Yes, sir. We'll and I will let them know that um that the Planning Commission is desirous to see some type of regulations or guideline governing [0:24:11, 0:24:18]: that use prior to adopting the uh legislation or the ordinance. They would rather for staff to come up with some rules [0:24:20, 0:24:25]: prior to adopting uh ordinance. So we'll let them know that's your desire. [0:24:25, 0:24:26]: So [0:24:26, 0:24:27]: Okay. [0:24:28, 0:24:35]: But even if you recommend approval or denial, the city council still can go whichever rate g go whichever route they choose to. [0:24:38, 0:24:39]: Okay. [0:24:40, 0:24:42]: Uh we'll open it up for public comment. [0:24:47, 0:24:51]: Anyone here who's from the public who has signed up that's opposed to this particular piece of legislation? [0:25:07, 0:25:27]: Uh thank you, Counsel. Uh my name is uh Jocelyn Williams and I'm speaking on the uh case number TX two oh two three oh one. Uh the reason I'm in opposition, uh I know there are a lot of bars that are around, and this is the first time I've heard or first time I know of any restaurant um that I take my family and uh [0:25:27, 0:25:47]: Um different I'm a teacher, so different children might go somewhere with me, um, like red lobster to eat. So I was trying to put in my mind how would smoking, because we can't smoke in any of the restaurants that I go to, so my opposition would be to have some kind of smoke in the area with fifty-one percent food. [0:25:47, 0:26:07]: And then the other forty-nine percent would be for the um hula bars and lounges. And I do understand that they do have to make money and bring in extra revenue, but my opposition would be to the um castrogen and the cancer in the air and how would they separate it without it coming through any vents or seeping through the um wall. [0:26:07, 0:26:18]: area. Um and thank you. My name is uh Jocelyn Williams, 190 Banks Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia, 30281, and I'm in the uh county of Henry. Thank you. [0:26:19, 0:26:24]: Thank you very much. I I think your your point has been already addressed by the board. [0:26:25, 0:26:28]: And uh we're concerned about that as well and uh [0:26:29, 0:26:34]: I'm sure uh the administrator will communicate that to the council. [0:26:35, 0:26:36]: Anyone else? [0:26:45, 0:27:02]: State your name. Address. My name is Sarah Bills. I live at 238 Northwind Drive in Stockbridge. And I've been informed by uh Smith Gamble and Russell that uh the [0:27:03, 0:27:10]: places that they're talking about are like five hundred feet from my home. So [0:27:10, 0:27:11]: Mm. [0:27:11, 0:27:12]: [1634.3, 1639.4]: This is a piece of text legislation. I don't I think you got uh zoning she's on [0:27:20, 0:27:23]: Excuse me, Ms. Yeah, so what are we talking about? [0:27:24, 0:27:28]: We were talking about a piece of text, let's say. We're not talking about the zoning matter yet. [0:27:29, 0:27:46]: This is we said this is strictly a piece of legislation that's being proposed by the city to amend the UDC to allow hoogah bars. So that's not what we're doing right now. Yeah, it has the same number. Is is that why I'm confused? [0:27:47, 0:27:50]: Okay. [0:27:50, 0:27:52]: About the speech. [0:27:54, 0:27:55]: I can just speak it now. [0:27:56, 0:27:59]: Just give us a few minutes and it'll come up on the next act. [0:28:00, 0:28:05]: Okay. The twenty twenty three oh one i isn't that what we say? [0:28:06, 0:28:08]: No, that's a text amendment, ma'am. [0:28:09, 0:28:20]: Okay. Uh Mr. Chairman, I just got a phone call from Vanessa Holiday who said that the microphone of Valerie Ross is not on and that nobody could hear her comments. [0:28:32, 0:28:35]: Anyone in support of it, just let this uh amendment. [0:28:39, 0:28:59]: Hearing none, uh the public comment is closed. That's not the way we do it. Uh the next item on the agenda is is uh item eight comprehensive plan amendment case chairman. Yeah, sure. Before we move, could we vote on that [0:28:59, 0:29:18]: that item before we move to the next item. No, we uh it's gonna be forwarded to the council. I don't think we would still need to make a vote, uh Chairman, on this item. All right. All right. All those in favor? Well first of all let me have a motion too on on the item number seven. [0:29:23, 0:29:24]: Mr. Dumas. [0:29:25, 0:29:27]: I move that we deny it. [0:29:29, 0:29:29]: Okay. [0:29:31, 0:29:37]: Uh mister Dumas has moved that the item number seven be denied. All those in favor let it be known by sign of aye. [0:29:38, 0:29:45]: But let's get a second before we vote. I second a second before we vote. Har Harrow seconded. You got that, Linda? [0:29:48, 0:29:49]: Thank you. Okay. [0:29:50, 0:29:57]: You second it? Yes, sir. I second. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? [0:29:58, 0:30:12]: Hearing none, the ayes have it. The uh amendment is uh denied. Motion is denied. Uh item eight, comprehensive plan amendment case number CP 2022-4. [0:30:17, 0:30:18]: You literally do. [0:30:20, 0:30:21]: Yeah. [0:30:24, 0:30:44]: Comprehensive Plan Amendment, KCP twenty twenty-two oh four. Consideration of a request for a comprehensive plan amendment to assign the future land use designation of high density residential to certain property on Flippin' Road to allow for the construction of a mixed-use residential development, including commercial and office space. [0:30:44, 0:30:55]: The applicant is Vesta Residential Partners, uh care of Dennis J. Webb Jr. The property contains three parcels in lot thirty-eight of District twelve. [0:30:55, 0:31:08]: As are listed below with two hundred and seventy-six point nine one plus or minus total acres within the stock bridge city limits. Parcel number thirty oh thirty zero [0:31:10, 0:31:21]: Zero wero one zero zero four zero zero zero large parcel with two hundred and forty nine point nineteen plus or minus acres located between Flippin' Road and Interstate seventy five. [0:31:22, 0:31:23]: And six seventy five. [0:31:23, 0:31:43]: Parcel 03001003001, medium sized parcel with 24.97 acres located at 630 Flippin' Road, and parcel number 030-011010408, small parcel with two. [0:31:43, 0:31:46]: Four seven acres located at three hundred eighty four Flippin' Road. [0:31:49, 0:31:58]: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name is Gordon Linton, Planner One for the City of Stockbridge. I'm here to present uh CP twenty twenty two dash zero four. [0:32:02, 0:32:22]: The case facts: the applicant is VISTA Residential Partners, and the agent is Dennis J. Webb, Jr. of Smith Gramble and Russell LLP. And the applicant's request is to sign the future land use designation of high-density residential to allow for construction of a mixed-use development. The number of proposed [0:32:22, 0:32:30]: Units per acre is 4.84 units per acre, and the address of the property is 630 Flippin' Road. [0:32:30, 0:32:50]: 384 Flippin' Road and parcel number 03001004000. The number of acres is 276.91, and the project characteristics is mostly vacant with four single-family residences. The site is wooded with Rees Creek and its associated floodplains. [0:32:50, 0:32:58]: In the area. Currently, the city land use designation is medium density vertical mixed use, and the sign was posted on May 10th, 2023. [0:33:02, 0:33:22]: The City of Stockbridge comprehensive plan um amendment twenty eighteen to twenty thirty-eight um designates the subject property as medium density vertical mixed use. However, the current future land use is compatible with requested zoning to PUD, which is Plan Unit Development District. Therefore, the applicant is requesting a comprehensive [0:33:22, 0:33:32]: The plan amendment to change the future land the future land use designation from medium density fertile mixed use and to assign the future land use designation of high density residential. [0:33:36, 0:33:53]: As you can see, this is the future land use uh map for the property area with the star right here. As it's shown, vertical medium density, vertical mixed use. Um you have different areas, low density, vertical mixed use, medium density, and you have the area surrounding medium density, vertical mixed use. [0:33:58, 0:34:18]: The surrounding land use destination, you have properties to the north, which is Willow Springs, North Bridge Station Subdivision, Davidson Landing, and North Bridge Crossing as medium density residential, property to the south, which is Northwind, and Arbor, which is another subdivision. They're also designated as medium density residential. [0:34:18, 0:34:37]: vertical mixed use and the property to the east, which is Appleton, Glenn Attee, Grand Oaks, and Hillcrist Park, they're all subdivisions. They're medium density residential, high density residential, medium density vertical mixed use, and medium density residential, and properties to the west, which is I-675. [0:34:40, 0:34:57]: And this is the aerial photo. As you can see, this is the mixed use development right here. And you have Northbridge Station, you have Willow S William Willow Springs, Hillcrest Park, Appleton, Glen Addy, Grand Oaks, Arbor Cove, and Northwind. [0:35:01, 0:35:21]: This is the surrounding land use density. Um, as you can see, the estimated density per acre is eleven point six units per acre. Um, and it ranges from eleven point six to one point seven units per acre. And the Reese Creek uh mixed use development is around four point eight four units per acre. So based on that. [0:35:21, 0:35:27]: That density, that estimate, we believe that is consistent with the uh with the density of surrounding areas. [0:35:31, 0:35:51]: This is the site plan. This is uh pod, this is pod A, phase one, and phase two. Um, you have pod B, which is mostly uh senior living. Um pod C, you have townhomes. Um pod D, you have multifamily, and you have pod E, which is uh reach [0:35:51, 0:35:52]: [2157.4, 2177.4]: The the staff analysis, um, which is based on section nine point two seven of the unified development code. Consistency with the comprehensive plan. The requested comprehensive plan to assign the future land use designation to high density residential is necessary because the proposed density will be compatible with the required density for the requested [0:36:17, 0:36:37]: Land use designation. In addition, the current land use designation of medium density vertical mix use does not allow the development of townhomes. Furthermore, the proposed mixed use is consistent with the policy goals of the City of Stockbridge comprehensive plan that are listed as follows on page 35 and 35. [0:36:37, 0:36:39]: And thirty nine, which is on this table. [0:36:48, 0:37:08]: Staff analysis relation to the zoning of the property. The subject property requested zoning zoning district is compatible with the list of permitted uses that are found in the comprehensive plan, which includes the requested PUD, Planning Union Development District. Page 50 of the Unified Development Code states that a tenant of the PUD [0:37:08, 0:37:28]: Zoning district is to one, allow the development of balanced neighborhoods containing physical, economic, and social assets which are difficult to achieve through the traditional separation of use and density zones. Number two, provide an appropriate district for mixed-use developments. And three, to allow [0:37:28, 0:37:48]: Flexibility in design for environmentally challenged properties. Number three, suitability of the site's location. The requested future land use destination of high-density residential will be compatible with the other surrounding land use destinations that are either adjacent or nearby the subject. [0:37:48, 0:38:02]: property which includes the following subdivisions Glen Addy, which is high density residential, Grand Oaks, medium density vertical mixed use, Willow Springs, medium density residential, and North Bridge Station, which is medium density residential. [0:38:03, 0:38:23]: Maintaining the current land use designation. Due to the location of the subject property along a major flow which is Flippin Road, as well as the size of the property, it is unlikely that the type of permanent land uses that are intended for the medium density vertical mixed use will be allowed to be developed on this property. According to page forty three of the comprehensive plan, those uses will be developed. [0:38:23, 0:38:35]: will be two to three story buildings combining street level commercial retail office uses with second and third stories, accommodating offices, office or loft apartments and condominiums. [0:38:37, 0:38:57]: Staff recommendation. This staff report has demonstrated that the requested comprehensive plat amendment via CP twenty two twenty two dash oh four will be necessary and desirable for the subject property in conjunction with the requested rezoning of the property via RC twenty twenty two dash zero five to allow for the development [0:38:57, 0:39:03]: of a mixed use residential development. Therefore, the planning and zoning staff recommends approval. [0:39:09, 0:39:11]: Is the applicant present? Yes, sir. [0:39:19, 0:39:26]: Good evening, sir. Good evening. Uh my name is Din Webb, eleven oh five West Peace Street Street, Atlanta, Georgia, three oh three oh nine, here on behalf of [0:39:27, 0:39:30]: Mr. Residential Partners, let me see if I can get to my presentation here. There we go. [0:39:32, 0:39:37]: Yeah, I always bring paper copies'cause my technology technical skills are not that good. Into the mic? [0:39:37, 0:39:42]: If you don't mind, I'm not sure. [0:39:42, 0:39:46]: Um before I begin, let me introduce a couple folks who are here with me tonight. [0:39:47, 0:39:57]: Uh the fellow in the white shirt there is Chase Beasley. Uh he's here on behalf of re of Vista Residential Partners on the Zoom uh is a fellow named Michael Nayhardt who's who is also with Vista. [0:39:57, 0:40:10]: And behind Chase is Ken Wood and Daniel Hawker, who are with a company called Planners and Engineers Collaborative, uh, which uh is the project uh engineer for this. Sorry, I'm trying to shift some stuff around. [0:40:13, 0:40:14]: There you go. [0:40:15, 0:40:20]: All right, how's that? That's better. Better. All right, so uh [0:40:21, 0:40:41]: Just so you know, this particular matter is tied to the one behind it. So this is the comp plan request that's also associated with the zoning request. It's immediately follows this, and my comments really apply to both. Let me start with uh a little bit about the property. You see the site here outlined in yellow. As Gordon mentioned, we're on the west side of Flippin' Road. [0:40:41, 0:40:42]: South of Highway one thirty eight. [0:40:43, 0:40:46]: The property itself is about two hundred and eighty eкers. [0:40:46, 0:40:50]: And it was annexed into the city of Stockbridge in January of this year. [0:40:52, 0:41:11]: Uh you'll notice a cross-hatched area here. This is about 80 acres. This is not part of our application, but it's part of the story here because there is a story. Uh back in 2019, Henry County zoned the 280 acres that we're here to talk about tonight, as well as the 80 acres that I mentioned. [0:41:11, 0:41:13]: for a mixed use development um [0:41:14, 0:41:22]: It was a large mixed-use development, 1,643 residential units, which included apartments, townhomes, senior living, duplexes, and single-family detached. [0:41:22, 0:41:26]: And there were a variety of non residential uses, including three hotels. [0:41:27, 0:41:37]: fourteen office buildings and three hundred thousand square feet of restaurant retail space. That project, like our own, also was reviewed as a development of regional impact by the Atlanta Regional Commission. [0:41:38, 0:41:46]: The property that Vista owns is effectively the residential component of the Henry County project that was approved four years ago. [0:41:46, 0:41:50]: Uh the plan that we're here to talk about tonight is similar. [0:41:50, 0:42:10]: To what Henry County approved and entitled, but a little bit less intense. I think one of the first things you'll notice is that there's been a real emphasis on creating some green space on this property. We've actually preserved almost 72 acres or over 25% of the site as green space. And that green space includes an extension of the walking trail that basically terminates on the [0:42:10, 0:42:14]: the east side of Flippin' uh Road across from our property. [0:42:14, 0:42:28]: The other way in which this development is less intense is the number of units. We've got about twenty percent less units than what Henry County approved four years ago. There are 1,347 total, and that includes multifamily townhomes, senior living, and single family detached. [0:42:29, 0:42:46]: From the beginning we've been really uh or Ken's team really has been thoughtful in the orientation of the uh product on this site. The single family detached is predominantly around the north and west perimeter where our property abuts single family detached. So we've got the same product on both sides of the property line. [0:42:47, 0:42:51]: The multifamily uh is concentrated in the center because there's a little bit more activity there. [0:42:52, 0:43:12]: Um and the townhomes are here on the southwest corner adjacent to six seventy five. So we tried to to match sort of intensity to intensity with the orientation. And as Gordon mentioned, uh really at the request of staff, we also included uh some other uses. We didn't really have uh the office use or the commercial component in our original concept when we were talking and [0:43:12, 0:43:19]: And meeting with ARC, there was a request to add that. So we've added 40,000 square feet of office here on the south end. [0:43:19, 0:43:31]: as well as a small uh commercial component here on Flippin. And the idea here here, and it's hard to see because this is a huge piece of property uh represented on an eight and a half by eleven uh size piece of uh paper. [0:43:32, 0:43:36]: But the idea is that there's a parking lot that ties into the trailhead on the other side of Flippin' Road. [0:43:37, 0:43:44]: And folks can park there and access the trail at that point and either go east or west because again we'll have an extension on our site. [0:43:44, 0:44:04]: But there's also area for two commercial spaces there. So as the trailhead continues to become more popular, as this development becomes a reality, there's an opportunity to put a little coffee shop there or a bike repair shop or something that would really serve the trail. That's the thinking here. And I think that ultimately was a good idea. There's not a great opportunity for a lot of commercial on that portion of Flippin' Road. [0:44:04, 0:44:12]: Because there's a lot of topography there. Most of the site is actually below grade, but that's an area in which we think commercial would work. And I thought that was a good idea to add it. [0:44:13, 0:44:18]: In terms of access, we've got uh three access points on flipping road here. [0:44:18, 0:44:25]: on the north side, here on the south side, and again a driveway for the smaller commercial commercial component that I mentioned. And I want to [0:44:26, 0:44:34]: Kind of highlight another feature we've added here on the backside. So there's a this drivetime industrial development to our north. [0:44:34, 0:44:35]: Um and uh [0:44:36, 0:44:39]: It seems strange to us at least that [0:44:39, 0:44:44]: to access that property you really kinda drive through residential areas. That's a little bit unique. [0:44:44, 0:44:50]: So we've actually created a way for those folks to get out so the drivetime folks can actually come out of [0:44:51, 0:45:01]: through their parking lot here and ac uh uh uh come through the sort of the the northwest corner of our site and tie into the eighty acres to the north. Now there there are some things that have to fall into place [0:45:02, 0:45:06]: You know, obviously the eighty acres to the north has to be developed. There has to be a road network that goes through. [0:45:06, 0:45:22]: But we've at least taken step one to create a way for the d the employees at drive time to come out of their property and avoid the residential area. It's not our problem. We didn't have anything to do with that development. We didn't create this, but as we were talking about things that seemed like a good idea and we had the land to do it, so that's something we've added to [0:45:22, 0:45:23]: The programme here. [0:45:25, 0:45:35]: Just so you know, this is a phase development. This is not going to come in overnight. This is really a sort of a realistically a seven to eight year build out. Uh in terms of phasing, the idea is to start here. [0:45:36, 0:45:41]: With pod A, the multifamily component, uh, there's a a second phase in pod A here. [0:45:42, 0:45:43]: Uh [0:45:43, 0:45:54]: The expectation is that the single family detached on the northern side of the site will be really f the second phase and I suspect that the single family will be built in phases as well. Um [0:45:55, 0:46:03]: The townhomes will be the third phase. The senior component and the office component will be uh effectively the fourth phase. [0:46:03, 0:46:20]: And this commercial piece on flipping that I talked about will really come when the when you've got the traffic to support it, right? To have that kind of uh uh use on a a trail, you've got to have people who will stop and buy a cup of coffee. So once the the intensity gets to a point to support it, that will come in. [0:46:22, 0:46:26]: I've got some individual pod plants here. I'm happy to go through these, but I just [0:46:27, 0:46:43]: put them in because they show you a little bit more of a uh a a closer representation of the detail in each of the different areas of the site. This is these are the pod A uh components that I've referred to. This is effectively pod B, which again is the senior and the office component. [0:46:45, 0:46:50]: These this is pod C, the townhome piece, and pod D, which is the single family detached. [0:46:51, 0:47:08]: So one part of the story that didn't come up earlier is that uh like I said, this property was annexed into the city in January of of twenty twenty three. It came in without any zoning designation. So it it came in unzoned and on May eighth of twenty twenty-three the city zoned this to PUD. [0:47:08, 0:47:28]: So we already actually have the zoning we need for this development. But if you know the PUD code, it also requires a regulating plan to go along with it. And this development was not adopted with a regulating plan, and that's really what we're here to do on the zoning side. So we've got a development plan to marry with the PUD zoning on this site, and that's our request, as well, of course, as the [0:47:28, 0:47:31]: Complet amendment that was just discussed. [0:47:34, 0:47:45]: Uh I appreciate certainly working with staff. We've had a bunch of meetings uh we've been d at this for longer than you can imagine. You know, we we're here for the first time tonight, but we've been working on this thing with Stockbridge really for about a year. [0:47:45, 0:47:49]: Um so we've worked with Breco, we've worked with Ryan. [0:47:49, 0:47:54]: Uh and I appreciate Gordon's work on the uh comp plant amendment. Uh they've been a great help here. [0:47:55, 0:48:14]: Um they are recommending approval as you heard for the comp plan amendment. They're also recommending approval for the zoning, uh subject to some ki conditions. And we're generally okay with those conditions. We saw them for the first time yesterday. I would like to wordsmith a few a little bit differently, but you know, in turn in concept, we're we agree with all of them. And I think between now and the city council hearing. [0:48:14, 0:48:18]: We'll have some talks with staff and try and uh you know maybe uh [0:48:19, 0:48:21]: S say things a little bit differently. So [0:48:22, 0:48:42]: I think I'm gonna stop there. I've said a lot. Uh I'll happy to answer any questions you have. I'll reserve my time and we'd ask for your recommendation of approval on the comp plan request as well as the rebound. Okay, question for you. Yes, sir. Uh and um I'm interested in this. Uh particularly have you consulted the community? Because I'm sure they they want to get rid of drive time coming through the community. So we [0:48:42, 0:48:50]: We've we to some extent we have. Uh uh uh uh this lady mentioned she got a letter from me. So she's uh I I've sent a letter out. [0:48:51, 0:49:11]: To everybody within a certain radius of the property. I think we sent about a hundred letters out inviting them to a meeting. So we had a community meeting. Um there was not great attendance, I'll admit that, but we did have one and offered to uh answer questions. I've gotten a few phone calls from folks who um you know received my letter. I think the reality is for [0:49:10, 0:49:26]: many people in the area they know this property's already been entitled, right? I mean I think I my guess is, and this is just a guess on my part, four years ago somebody came through and proposed something similar to what we're doing but a lot more intense and I you know, I suspect people were expecting that. They've been waiting for it to happen. [0:49:27, 0:49:34]: And uh you know, that may be why there was less interest in what we're trying to do tonight. But yes, we we have reached out to the community, we offered to meet and we held a meeting. [0:49:35, 0:49:35]: Okay. [0:49:40, 0:49:57]: Mr. Tividor. Mr. Thivodeau. Okay. Uh have you done any traffic studies? Yes, sir. So uh we have. Um as I mentioned, uh we have been reviewed as a development of regional impact. So if your development crosses a third a certain threshold. [0:49:57, 0:50:17]: You go to a higher level of review above the city level. It's a review conducted by the Atlanta Regional Commission and the Georgia Regional Transportation Authority. So the minute we filed our rezoning application, our project was kicked to the regional review. And as part of that, we did a traffic study in conjunction with the Georgia Regional Transportation Authority. So we sit down with the transportation [0:50:17, 0:50:19]: Experts in Metro Atlanta. [0:50:20, 0:50:40]: They define the scope of the traffic study that we have to perform. We did it, we submit it to them. They make recommendations for some changes that need to occur on the roadway network. Those are actually addressed in our zoning conditions. Uh when we concluded the the DRI process, uh the ARC notice of decision included some conditions. [0:50:39, 0:50:46]: conditions that require some improvements on the roadways, and those conditions have been adopted in our with our zoning. [0:50:47, 0:51:07]: Uh one other thing. What what was your response for the meeting that you had with the community? What what was the information that was given to you by the community as far as the do's, the don'ts, and what they want? What what kind of information did you receive from from the community on that? [0:51:08, 0:51:28]: I didn't get any do's and don'ts. It was more of a what's happening here kind of thing. There wasn't a I don't like this or I don't like that, or would you think about changing this or that? I actually use these exact same slides by the way. So the ones I showed you are the same ones we used at the community meeting. It was more of a, you know, what's the plan? You know, what's the build-out time, that kind of thing. How what what's been the process so far? [0:51:28, 0:51:30]: Um you know uh [0:51:30, 0:51:35]: The folks I've talked to, and again, that's not a lot, but the folks that I've talked to have really been relatively positive about this. [0:51:41, 0:52:01]: Okay. Uh we'll open it up for public comments. Mr. Chairman, before we do that, can I ask just one question? Uh you mentioned some road improvements that were required under the DR uh the DRI, am I saying that right? Yes. Or the uh Greta. [0:52:01, 0:52:21]: uh analysis. Would you elaborate a little more on those road improvements that would were required that you've adopted in this plan? Right. So there are flipping road. Right. So there are really two two types of recommendations made uh in the the ARC. [0:52:21, 0:52:37]: notice of decision. The first are traffic improvements that are project specific, things we have to are are we are required to do as part of the project. There are also some system improvements that the the city is supposed to be doing. So we we look beyond our project the the the the network that was studied [0:52:38, 0:52:51]: as part of the DRI transportation study was more significant than just our site. So the primary uh change was at the addition of a turn lane on Flippin' Road as well as a deceleration lane into our property. [0:52:51, 0:53:09]: There were some other changes on the radius of the curb cuts and things like that that were a little more tactical, but those are the main the primary changes on Flippin' Road. Other recommendations were made up at the uh intersection of Flippin and was it 138, North Henry Boulevard. Um, but those are what are characterized as system improvements. [0:53:12, 0:53:27]: I have what question this day planchon. Um at this stage your request is m uh merely to modify the land use plan to accept this type of development, right? We haven't we're not into any nuts and bolts yet of the actual development. [0:53:27, 0:53:42]: Well so we we have two requests I mean we'll get there, but right now this request is just to modify the land use plan, is that correct? So so the agenda item right now, n item number two on the agenda is is the comp plan amendment. Item number three is our rezoning. But uh [0:53:42, 0:54:01]: They're sort of part and parcel, to be honest. You you have to take the comp plan first, technically. But the idea uh I mean there's not a whole lot left to say in terms of nuts and bolts. Um, but again, you know, uh although we have a rezoning application, we are already zoned to the district we need. We just need a plan approved. Yep. [0:54:08, 0:54:15]: Karen, could everyone please speak a little bit louder? Uh speak directly into the microphone, please. I some have inquired about that. [0:54:17, 0:54:18]: Is there a way to turn this up? [0:54:20, 0:54:22]: I think I'll turn it off. [0:54:26, 0:54:27]: I'm not sure, but uh [0:54:29, 0:54:30]: Pardon me? [0:54:33, 0:54:44]: Please check in to see if you can turn it up. In in the interim, um, if I may, Chairman Abdullah, just anyone who's speaking, please speak directly into the mic as you're speaking so that we can capture it for the record. [0:54:46, 0:54:47]: Okay. [0:54:49, 0:54:52]: Uh I think at this point we opened up a public comment. [0:54:55, 0:55:06]: All those uh who uh in favor of uh this particular comprehensive amendment, uh you can approach the uh podium, give us your name, address. [0:55:11, 0:55:13]: Those o opposed to it. [0:55:15, 0:55:17]: Would you come forward, ma'am? [0:55:29, 0:55:31]: Kind of give us your name, your address. [0:55:32, 0:55:33]: Again. [0:55:33, 0:55:46]: I'm uh Sarah Bills. I live at 238 Northwind Drive in Stockbridge in the um county of Henry. Um [0:55:48, 0:55:51]: Could you repeat that please? Your name and address? [0:55:51, 0:55:52]: My name is Sarah. [0:55:54, 0:55:55]: Billlops. [0:55:56, 0:55:59]: two hundred thirty eight Northwind Drive. [0:56:00, 0:56:02]: Here in Stockbridge. [0:56:03, 0:56:07]: and uh county of Henry. Um [0:56:08, 0:56:10]: As I'm listening, I'm I'm not uh [0:56:12, 0:56:14]: At this point, really sure. [0:56:14, 0:56:15]: Um [0:56:16, 0:56:36]: What I had come in uh to find out about, I'm pretty much finding that there's not a an awful lot that uh can be done. It's it's been a a lot of uh decisions made already. But um I'm I'm still going to say this that uh we are a residential area. [0:56:36, 0:56:37]: There we are. [0:56:38, 0:56:58]: And when I bought, I didn't buy for a high density area. Um and I'm I've got some feelings about that. I don't um no, I know it's good for the tax base and stuff like that, uh, but I'm concerned about traffic. Um [0:56:58, 0:57:18]: And I think I heard you say that traffic is gonna have to come through the residential areas for people to uh be able to um move back and forth. Um that is a concern because traffic is already difficult on flipping. Um [0:57:18, 0:57:38]: But um I do want to get it on the record that as a resident that I am concerned about this. Um I I don't know how anybody else feels about this, but we were not involved in any of this uh discussion. [0:57:38, 0:57:40]: discussion, decision making and [0:57:41, 0:57:49]: You know, I understand that, you know, you all are taking care of the business, but you know, for me, this is where I live. [0:57:50, 0:58:05]: So I'm very concerned about which way this is going to go. And um maybe we can't do anything at all about it. Um and I've seen that many times, but [0:58:05, 0:58:17]: Um at the same time I do want to express my concerns about um transportation, about safety, um [0:58:18, 0:58:27]: There's so many areas, but I just wanted to get it on the record because uh uh are you adjacent to Flipping Road or close by? [0:58:27, 0:58:47]: Yeah, I'm I'm right off of flipping on North Wind. It's right there. And according to the letter that I received, whatever buildings they're doing. Now you had a zoom yesterday, but we had very late notice of this zoom, and I had something else, so it wasn't possible to [0:58:47, 0:59:07]: Participate in the Zoom. But it was nice of you to let us know anyway. But my understanding is I'm receiving this letter as you own property within 500 feet of these parcels. So you know I'm not making it up. I I have some concerns here. [0:59:07, 0:59:27]: And um I just wish we had had more input um so that we might feel a little bit Well I'm gonna say this to you. Generally when a development comes into place like this, there's going to be a buffer zone to a buffer to separate uh development from your residential area. [0:59:27, 0:59:41]: Uh maybe he can speak to that, maybe the applicant can speak to that, but as a general rule, as a buffer, so that you don't have that uh intrusion uh onto a residential area. [0:59:42, 0:59:45]: Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I but I also heard what he said. [0:59:46, 0:59:48]: And uh you know [0:59:49, 0:59:55]: They they're both um, I'm sure, based upon situations. Um [0:59:55, 1:00:15]: applicable but um in this case he actually said traffic is gonna have to come through the communities and I mean that that needs to be clarified for the people who live in the communities. I want to know am I gonna open my door and uh see all kinds of traffic [1:00:15, 1:00:19]: moving through and um you know [1:00:19, 1:00:20]: That's [1:00:21, 1:00:22]: So [1:00:22, 1:00:22]: You know. [1:00:23, 1:00:40]: I don't know how much we can do, but um I would sure love to hear uh how they plan to do it and certainly I'd be very interested in the buffer. Okay. You know? Thank you. Sir, would you kinda address that for us please? [1:00:56, 1:00:59]: Fill out a sheet with your name and address. [1:01:01, 1:01:03]: It's up there. Okay. [1:01:05, 1:01:25]: So uh uh I think the ladies' home is right around here. Can you guys see my cursor? Yes. All right. So we do have uh a a minimum 50-foot buffer along this eastern property line, as well as you can see, a pretty significant amount of green space at the tip of this particular uh uh [1:01:25, 1:01:31]: Uh uh this is the town home piece uh adjacent to her property. So she will be well buffered there. Um [1:01:34, 1:01:36]: Ma'am, can you see that what he's pointing out? [1:01:37, 1:01:44]: I've got a handout that I can Okay. No, I'm just saying I'm asking her, can she see it on the monitor here? Where he's pointing out. [1:01:48, 1:01:54]: Yeah, but what what he's saying is there's a a green space and a minimum fifty foot buffer. [1:01:55, 1:01:57]: So it there will not be [1:01:57, 1:02:02]: any direct intrusion on your property. You have that uh that zone [1:02:02, 1:02:04]: To separate you from the development. [1:02:06, 1:02:11]: And if the zoning's approved it'll be zoned subject to a site plan, so that that [1:02:11, 1:02:21]: buffer will be a a a condition of law, really. I mean the a zoning ordinance is a law in and of itself, so it will be illegal not to build the buffer. So uh she uh she and everybody else will be protected in that regard. [1:02:22, 1:02:33]: The one other thing I wanted to clarify that she she said about n uh traffic come through the neighborhoods. That that's not the point I was trying to make. The only driveways we have are on flipping. We're not going through her neighborhood or anybody else's neighborhood. We don't connect. [1:02:34, 1:02:50]: The point I was trying to make about uh traffic coming through the neighborhoods is that drive time is coming through the neighborhoods now, which does not make a lot of sense to me. You've got an industrial use that is using residential roads, and we've got an opportunity to try and fix that. So uh [1:02:50, 1:02:55]: That's the only point I was trying to make about uh, you know, coming through the [1:02:55, 1:03:11]: the neighborhoods. We're not. But drive time is right now and again we've got a a one way driveway that effectively comes out of the back of their parking lot and connects that eighty acres to the north. And that was the point I was making when I asked you had you consulted with the community because I thought that would be very attractive to them the mere fact that drive time we no longer use [1:03:12, 1:03:16]: uh the community as a thoroughfare. I would think so too. Yeah, so [1:03:16, 1:03:19]: One other thing coming back to your point, sir. Uh [1:03:20, 1:03:31]: My engineer reminded me that one other traffic improvement is a traffic signal at our southern driveway. So we'll be adding a signal at that location, which should improve a lot of things on our site and actually on Flippin' Road. [1:03:32, 1:03:34]: Can I also ask that I have your attention [1:03:35, 1:03:38]: Why a one way uh stab? [1:03:39, 1:03:41]: Up near the drive time. [1:03:41, 1:04:01]: Well, we figured they didn't want our traffic coming through uh the neighborhood or through the drivettime property. It's it's you know, w we would have I guess the ability to come out and access the eighty acres, but we're not intending that to for any of our folks to take a right and cut up through the drivetime parking lot. We're we're trying to fix that problem and we don't want to add to it. Does that make sense? [1:04:04, 1:04:21]: Well it it it it does from your perspective, but from the perspective of people that live in the subdivision just to the north of Drive Time, because the only exit now is to the north and it goes into the subdivision. That's exactly right. You're exactly right. [1:04:23, 1:04:30]: A one way stub would not prevent truck traffic because what you have is [1:04:31, 1:04:33]: Tow trucks, hauling cars. [1:04:34, 1:04:52]: through the residential area to get into drivettime. Now, admittedly, you said it. It's not your problem. You didn't create it. I didn't either. I don't know how it happened, but I would be supportive of anything that could bring some relief to those folks. [1:04:52, 1:04:58]: So my point about one way is that it's it's it's and maybe I said that incorrectly. [1:04:59, 1:05:05]: L let me let Ken talk. K Ken is the the the genius behind the stub roads. Let me ask him to address that bit. [1:05:06, 1:05:26]: Uh Kenneth Wood 350 Research Court. So just to make just so we're so we're clear, so this the idea of the stub is to provide two-way access from drive time into the 80 acres for access there. The only one way item that that we're really speaking of is is our residents could go through a gate. [1:05:26, 1:05:46]: and go up into the 80 acres once that is constructed, but drive time could not come down through another residential area like ours. But the the road we're talking about that we would construct the to provide that access is two way. I gotcha. It is two way. I gotcha. Thank you. That's what I in Release. [1:05:46, 1:05:48]: Let me ask a let me ask a question. [1:05:48, 1:06:08]: Mr. Chairman, are you concerned at all that this development will not be visible from Flippin' Road? So any of the commercial restaurants entities will nobody will know they're there because it's up behind a hill? So that's an excellent point, right? Uh and and that's one reason. [1:06:08, 1:06:15]: Reason why the only commercial you see on this site is here. It's sort of the high point along flipping. You see where my cursor is? [1:06:16, 1:06:36]: And and what we're talking about really in a a full scale restaurant, it's really a an amenity for the trail. That's what we're thinking about. You know, if you're look, you go down to the belt line, right? And you s you you walk the belt line, they've got an ice cream shop, they've got a bike repair store, they've got, you know, a coffee shop, that kind of things. Sort of somebody something somebody can walk into as they're, you know, making [1:06:36, 1:06:55]: They're away from point A to point B. But that's why we don't have more commercial. So what you see down here is actually just office space on this on the south side. If visibility were better, we probably could do something a little bit more commercial and flipping, but it's not. So act, you know, commercial is all about access and visibility, and we don't have the visibility other than sort of right here. [1:06:57, 1:07:00]: Yep. And all that office space, what kind of traffic you anticipate that? [1:07:01, 1:07:15]: Pardon me? The office space, how much traffic do you anticipate that bringing in as far as not just the employees coming to work every day, but the type of businesses they'll be running out of there and the traffic that's gonna be added to that also? [1:07:15, 1:07:25]: Yeah. I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but that was part of our traffic study. So the traffic engineer considered the potential or the traffic would that would be generated by forty thousand square feet of office. [1:07:25, 1:07:41]: So it was you know, I I don't remember the numbers, uh, but I but I know it was part of our analysis and it was part of the information we provided to to Greta and it was part of the information Greta relied on to require us to do some things on the roadways. As we move further down the road with this, are you gonna provide that traffic study to us? [1:07:43, 1:08:03]: Yeah. Pardon me? I said as we move further down the road with this, are you going to provide that traffic study to us? Oh yeah, you ha it's it's a part of the w it's been submitted to the city. It's part of the public record. Ken Ken mentioned that the the office is really contemplated as general office, sort of like professional, your doctor, your dentist, that kind of thing, smaller scale. Not uh we're not talking about [1:08:03, 1:08:15]: Cisco or Apple or a major employee coming in. It's really more of a, you know industrial big truck tracking. Oh no, no, no, no. There'll be no industrial on this product. Okay. [1:08:18, 1:08:21]: hearing. Might there be other citizens here who wish to speak? [1:08:26, 1:08:36]: Can I just ask the question before you sit? You mentioned a traffic light at the southern entrance. Yes, sir. That's in close proximity to the [1:08:37, 1:08:40]: trailhead across the street. Am I correct? [1:08:41, 1:08:43]: Yeah, do you know the distance? [1:08:43, 1:09:03]: And so it it is and so the idea of the traffic signal there, we're originally looking at like a hawk signal to get people from one side of Reeves Creek to the other to extend the trail. That's where I'm going with the well now we're since we're now gonna be a lighted intersection, you know, you can push the button, the light will physically stop traffic and then you'll be able to cross. [1:09:03, 1:09:14]: So I could go to the bike shop and then cross the street and then go east and go. And then go east. Yes. Thank you. [1:09:18, 1:09:20]: Think we have public comment back then, sir? [1:09:21, 1:09:23]: Come to the mic proceed, mic. [1:09:30, 1:09:45]: Evening council. Uh my name is John Cloudus. I live at one fifteen Mimosa Drive, uh Stockbridge. I had to apologize for my nervousness. I wasn't really planning on speaking tonight, but after seeing everything and living on Flippin' Road for ten years, the idea of this is kinda [1:09:47, 1:10:05]: It's scary. I don't know. I live right I don't know if you know where Mimosa Drive is, but I live almost directly across the street from Northbridge Station. And on a Friday afternoon at three thirty, Flippin's dead stopped because people use Flippin' as a through Fry seventy five. [1:10:05, 1:10:25]: I can't imagine what 1400 housing units in that area of Flippin is gonna do for the congestion that already exists at the intersection of Flippin and North Henry Boulevard. Um I'd also like to add, we didn't receive a letter. Um I don't know how how wide of a radius they sent letters out. [1:10:25, 1:10:45]: To people who are going to be near this, but I can throw a rocket at this property from my house. Um, I'm all for building Stockbridge up. It's been awesome seeing all the changes that have happened over the past couple years with the downtown area, with people renovating and revitalizing their homes. And I'd love to see that continuing. My wife and I take our dog down. [1:10:45, 1:10:53]: Down Reeves Creek Trail once, twice a week. We love it. The idea of it being longer is great, but the idea of it being a belt line. [1:10:53, 1:10:54]: Or something similar to that. [1:10:55, 1:10:56]: That's not a reality. [1:10:57, 1:10:58]: I know they're trying to sell something that [1:10:59, 1:11:00]: It would be great, but [1:11:01, 1:11:02]: Uh there's no [1:11:03, 1:11:10]: I guess the other thing that that bothers my my wife and I, um, she's from up north. Everybody walks everywhere. She's from Connecticut. [1:11:11, 1:11:14]: She tried to ride her bike down flipping road one time when she first moved here. [1:11:15, 1:11:17]: She got pretty scared, turned around and came home. [1:11:17, 1:11:28]: There are constant foot traffic on Flippin. I don't know how we're gonna have sixteen hundred or fourteen hundred housing units with no sidewalk on Flippin' Road. How are people gonna get to Reeves Creek Trail? [1:11:28, 1:11:45]: if they're going to it from even if they're coming from their apartment. I mean, it's not really a row for pedestrians. As much as I love Reese Creek Trail. It's just I I wouldn't walk down flipping. It's scary. It's scary to drive down flipping. Especially, you know, coming up to the uh [1:11:45, 1:12:03]: right right where the old city of Stockbridge city uh city limit line used to be. It goes from forty five to thirty five. I think I'm the only planet person on the planet who actually slows down to thirty five. We almost get rear ended almost time we turn almost every time we turn into our into our driveway. I can't imagine what more traffic's gonna do for that. And I know [1:12:04, 1:12:05]: They're uh [1:12:06, 1:12:13]: There's separate issues, there's zoning and then there's plans that have to be approved, but I don't know. I wouldn't feel right if I didn't say something. So [1:12:17, 1:12:19]: I have a question for you. Yes, sir. [1:12:20, 1:12:22]: What would you like to see developed on that property? [1:12:22, 1:12:26]: Oh man, I given all the considerations that you just articulated. [1:12:26, 1:12:27]: Um [1:12:27, 1:12:35]: I don't have a problem with there being housing. I don't have a problem with there being high density housing. I have a problem with there being high density housing there without the infrastructure. [1:12:36, 1:12:41]: That's my that's my concern. So your concern is basically in infrastructure related. [1:12:41, 1:13:01]: Yeah, Flippin' Road. I mean I don't know if you've ever driven down Flippin' Road at Oh I'd go all the time. It's terrible. I mean it's it I love where we live. We love our house, we love our neighbors. I'm actually so of our other neighbors wanna come, but they had to work. Um our our neighbor who lives at the front of the street, he has a wreck in his in his driveway once a month. [1:13:01, 1:13:06]: Because people fly up flipping, heading to the wards that [1:13:06, 1:13:07]: That light. [1:13:07, 1:13:14]: Or they don't slow down and they have to swerve off. He th his uh yard has a little ditch in it. And now I'm just rambling. I'm so sorry. [1:13:14, 1:13:23]: You ask me and well. Um again, I love the idea of re of uh the trail being extended. That's awesome. Um [1:13:23, 1:13:26]: I don't know what there could be you know. [1:13:26, 1:13:46]: community farm. I mean there's that could be a bigger park. I mean there's all kinds of things you could do with nearly 300 acres of woodland that's been there for you know 150 years. It's been there a long time. I mean it's been there longer than that, but developed with houses around it for a long time. So again, I don't have a problem with there being housing [1:13:46, 1:13:48]: I mean look at uh [1:13:49, 1:14:01]: what they did with uh the farm, uh Broder farm. I mean that's been a great development. I mean it's made Kroger a little bit more busy and has made Flippin back up more on that end of Flippin'. But I mean there's people getting housing. I mean [1:14:02, 1:14:06]: I'm in real estate. It's the the housing market's expensive. So having [1:14:07, 1:14:27]: Having housing available is a good thing. I am kind of curious because of the things that I've looked at about the developer for this, they mainly deal in apartments. So that the thing that I'm nervous about is this plan looks great if it comes to fruition, but what's to stop them from building the apartments in pod A and B and then not continuing out the [1:14:26, 1:14:28]: Yeah. [1:14:28, 1:14:37]: If that makes sense. That's always a risk. Right. I mean I don't I don't have any control of that. I mean it's n neither do they. I mean they couldn't go belly up and what happens. So [1:14:38, 1:14:39]: I don't know. It's just [1:14:40, 1:14:44]: We've been watching that property for the past five years, wondering what was gonna happen with it. And [1:14:45, 1:14:47]: You know, and again, we didn't get a letter. I just happened to [1:14:48, 1:14:59]: happened to see the zoning thing and looked at the tax record and saw that it, you know, had changed ownership. So I was under the impression it was still zoned agriculture.'Cause that's what it says I think on the tax records. So [1:15:01, 1:15:06]: Think that's it. Unless you guys have any more questions for me. No, I'm done. Thank you. Okay. [1:15:06, 1:15:08]: Thank you guys so much for your time. [1:15:09, 1:15:11]: Please fill out a sheet on that clipboard there. [1:15:11, 1:15:12]: Anyone else? [1:15:14, 1:15:16]: We do probes a podium, ma'am. [1:15:22, 1:15:25]: A sheet on this clipboard over here at the front. [1:15:25, 1:15:40]: Uh good evening. Um once again. Thank you, Council. Jocelyn Williams, one ninety Banks Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia, three oh two eight one, Henry County. Uh I bought my house in nineteen ninety two and this particular um [1:15:42, 1:15:55]: project that he's speaking of was brought before the community a couple of years ago but for some reason I never heard of it being changed into something else and it's uh probably my fault but um [1:15:56, 1:15:58]: I would like to [1:15:58, 1:16:07]: say that they can build, they have a right to build and th all the provisions for it is gorgeous. My concern is infrastructure. [1:16:07, 1:16:27]: Featherman Road, I am a teacher. I get up at four o'clock in the morning so that I can be to work at 710. If I don't leave by 5:30, I won't I'll be late every day. And then I come home late at night and have to get behind the buses that come to Henry County. Everything in Henry County is excellent. My only concern is for the [1:16:27, 1:16:34]: developers to talk to the community. I am very avid in the community next door. I don't hear [1:16:35, 1:16:55]: of them coming to meet and if they are meeting, I don't I just need to put my name on their roster so that I can inform the community because my neighbors always ask me what's going on and they couldn't be here. The traffic and the infrastructure is our mantra, our concern. They're building, building, building, but no one is [1:16:54, 1:16:57]: doing anything with the two lane structure. [1:16:58, 1:17:18]: Um that we're bringing into the community. Popeyes, fried chicken, beautiful facility. Once again, congestion. Fip and road infrastructure. There's nothing in 2024 that I see being done. If we could make a condition with the [1:17:17, 1:17:19]: Planning if they could [1:17:20, 1:17:35]: come and show a community meeting, ask us. I will go online and ask people to come. I'm sure they would like to ask questions like we're doing if a condition I I know I have no power, my request that the [1:17:35, 1:17:55]: Developer of this beautiful property, come and talk to us. Let us ask you questions. Show us in in a paper form what you are planning. How soon are you coming? How soon are you building? When will Flippin' Road get wider? What will you do different with that? We just wanted some questions. And I'm just so grateful that [1:17:55, 1:18:06]: that we're all working together because this is a wonderful county with a lot of beautiful land and we need them and they need us and I'm just so thankful to speak. Thank you. You're welcome. [1:18:08, 1:18:09]: Anyone else? [1:18:13, 1:18:13]: So [1:18:17, 1:18:20]: Chairman, I'm sorry, have we closed the public hearing session? [1:18:20, 1:18:25]: He has a comment. Okay, but we'll need to close it in order for this conversation. [1:18:25, 1:18:25]: Go ahead. [1:18:27, 1:18:31]: Uh l I was just gonna address a couple things uh that were mentioned [1:18:31, 1:18:39]: Number one, in terms of infrastructure, you really can't compare the infrastructure on Flippin' Road today to what it will be when this development's built. If you if you zero in on the site plan, you'll see [1:18:40, 1:18:41]: Yeah, the improvements were [1:18:41, 1:19:01]: We're making on that roadway, which should make things better and certainly minimize and mitigate the impact of this particular development. Uh we've, as I mentioned, we've got a turn lane, we've got a deceleration lane, we've got a traffic signal. Um you know, we've got sidewalks. Someone mentioned this isn't a great area for foot traffic. Well, it will be because we're gonna put a sidewalk along the entire [1:19:01, 1:19:05]: So it will become walkable. [1:19:05, 1:19:09]: uh once that comes in. So, you know, again, uh we [1:19:10, 1:19:23]: I understand the anxiety about these kind of impacts, right? But we have spent a year dealing with the city and uh regional uh entities to sort of go through those things and make changes. Uh [1:19:26, 1:19:45]: Someone made a comment about uh you know the belt line. I'm not saying that that trail is the belt line. My only point was that on the belt line you can step off and get a ice cream cone. You know, that's kind of what we're trying to do here. We're not trying to reestablish the belt line, but we think it would be a nice amenity if you're walking on that trail to be able to stop and do something, uh grab a cup of coffee or something. Um [1:19:45, 1:19:57]: In terms of my letter, you know, I hear that you hear that every time. You hope frankly that they sh share that that letter with their neighbors. There's always some on the other side of that line. [1:19:57, 1:20:08]: Uh you know, I'm happy to have a community meeting. We've got s a a lot of time between or some time between uh this hearing and and the city council meeting, so I'm happy to come out. I don't know who said [1:20:09, 1:20:13]: There she is. I'm happy to come out and talk to you and your neighbors and answer any questions you have. [1:20:13, 1:20:20]: I think we've got answers really to all the things that you raise and I've covered some of that tonight, but I'm happy to do it for you and and your neighbors. I mean [1:20:21, 1:20:41]: One of the things that that cannot be lost in this conversation is that while this is uh uh this is not a new development, right? I mean, four years ago this development was zoned in Henry County. It could have been built in Henry County until uh uh uh January of this year. We started the process in Henry County for the record. But we're in Stockbridge now, as of uh about four and a half months ago, and we're really [1:20:40, 1:20:56]: really just trying to transfer our entitlements over. And again, fortunately, the city's given us the zoning we need, but they weren't uh uh in a position to, you know, advance a regulating plan on our behalf or real here really to do that ourselves. We have to do that ourselves. So we're, you know [1:20:56, 1:21:11]: basically preserving the entitlement that exist existed for about four years until a couple months ago. And the good news is I think that this development is better in a lot of ways than what a what was built or what was approved by Henry County. So I think I'll stop there. Thank you. [1:21:13, 1:21:16]: Uh that closes the uh public comment. [1:21:20, 1:21:23]: The board, we have a motion. [1:21:26, 1:21:26]: Yeah. [1:21:27, 1:21:31]: I'd like to put in a motion that we close the public comment. [1:21:34, 1:21:36]: Have a motion on uh item eight. [1:21:38, 1:21:44]: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that we accept that we accept item eight on the agenda. [1:21:45, 1:21:46]: Second. [1:21:47, 1:21:50]: What was your motion, uh Mr. Plusan? [1:21:51, 1:21:52]: Last one moves your motion. [1:21:52, 1:21:55]: That we accept the the [1:21:56, 1:22:01]: Development use uh amendment for this project. [1:22:01, 1:22:03]: Mr. Doom, was you seconded? I did. [1:22:04, 1:22:10]: All those in favor, let it be known by a sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Aye. [1:22:12, 1:22:15]: We have one opposed. [1:22:21, 1:22:36]: Ayes have it. I'm just I'll just count to make sure. It's been moved and s second. Uh all those in favor, let it be known by sign of I we have one uh opposed. The eyes have it. The uh development is uh motion is approved. [1:22:39, 1:22:45]: Item uh nine, rezoning case RZ twenty twenty two dash oh five. [1:22:57, 1:23:17]: Rezoning case RZ 2022. Consideration for a request for rezoning to assign the PUD Plan Union Development District to certain property on Flippin' Road to allow for the construction of a mixed use residential development, including commercial and office uses. The applicant is VISA residential partners, care of Dennis J. Webb Jr. [1:23:17, 1:23:37]: Property contains three parcels in land lot 38 of District 12, as are listed below with 276.91 plus or minus total total acres within the stockridge city limits. Parcel number 030-01004000, large parcel with 249.500. [1:23:37, 1:23:55]: Plus or minus acres located between Flippin' Road and Interstate 75 and 675. The parcel 03001003001 small parcel with 24.97 acres located at 630 Flippin' Road. [1:23:58, 1:24:18]: Good evening. Um case facts. Um the applicant is Vista Residential Partners. The agent is Dennis Welb. The applicant's request is to assign the PUD district to certain property on Flippin' Road to allow for construction of a mixed-use residential development, including commercial and office use uses. This is not the typical [1:24:18, 1:24:38]: Rezoning that we're used to or that comes before you. What we're basically doing is adopting a new master plan, replacing the master plan that was approved in 2019 through Henry County. The applicant's proposed number of units per acre on this project is 4.84. The address is [1:24:38, 1:24:41]: Six thirty flipping rope, three eighty four flipping road. [1:24:43, 1:25:03]: The number of acres is 276.9. The project characteristic is mostly vacant with four single-family residences. The site is wooded with Reeve Creeks and its associated floodplain. The city zoning is PUD. It was assigned on May 8th when the city adopted its official. [1:25:03, 1:25:10]: Overlay and rezoning maps. The current city land use designation is medium density vertical mixed use. [1:25:12, 1:25:13]: Uh [1:25:14, 1:25:34]: A major component of this uh project is to get to know the history to get to familiar with the history of this property. Um Herring County rezoned the subject property from RA to MU in May of 2019 through ord through resolution RZ 1901. At the time, the subject property was part of a larger 420. [1:25:34, 1:25:47]: The master development track has been authorized for a mixed residential development and commercial development that includes, among other things, 1,643 dwelling units. [1:25:49, 1:26:09]: Which is a combination of apartments, four-stories, townhomes, duplexes, senior living, and single family detached. And it was also approved for three four-story hotels, 14 office buildings, and over 300,000 square feet of restaurant and retail space. The subject property was annexed into the city as a [1:26:09, 1:26:28]: result of the passage of the stock bridge annexation referendum during the during November 8th on November 8, 2022. The subject property was evaluated as part of the Department of Regional Impact, DRI number 3799, and was completed by the Land Regional Commission on March 29th. [1:26:30, 1:26:35]: The applicant the project was also vetted by the Georgia Regional Transportation Authority. [1:26:37, 1:26:39]: On the table on the uh [1:26:41, 1:26:45]: on the uh on the film right now uh [1:26:47, 1:27:05]: The slide above um is a depiction of Reeves Creek One versus Reeves Creek Two. This is a comparative analysis of the two projects. As you as you can see, Reeves Creek One, which m was a much bigger, much larger project, much more intensive. [1:27:05, 1:27:07]: It was much larger in scale and scope than [1:27:08, 1:27:28]: It involved 436 units, while this current proposal only involved 276 units. Uh Reeves Creek, the original Reeds Creek that was approved by Henry County, it authorized 1,643 units. While Reeds Creek 2, the applicant is seeking 1,361 units. [1:27:28, 1:27:48]: The original proposal had a density rate of 10 units per acre, while Reeves Creek 2 site plan has a density rate of 4.8 units per acre. Also, the original Reeves Creek project included 300,000 square feet of commercial space, three restaurants, a medical office park. [1:27:48, 1:27:54]: a retail power center, a warehouse, um [1:27:55, 1:28:04]: A mass transit complex, an innovation center, it consisted of two office towers, and it also had a proposed municipal complex. [1:28:05, 1:28:11]: While this while Reeds Creek Warren, the c current proposal has none of those items. It has [1:28:12, 1:28:24]: Three hundred and twenty-eight lots for uh single family, one hundred and ninety-one units for townhomes, and a hundred and eighty-two units of senior living, and six hundred and forty five multifamily units. [1:28:26, 1:28:34]: As you can see on the site planner on the on the uh screen now is the aerial photo of the of the top or the subject property. [1:28:38, 1:28:44]: Also here's a zoning map of six thirty flipping road, three eighty four flipping road. And um [1:28:45, 1:28:48]: Unassigned address parcel, the third parcel. [1:28:51, 1:29:11]: Okay, here's the site plan, the current site plan. The applicant uh submitted this site plan to staff uh on April the 29th. This site plan was done after the project was vetted by um the ARC and Greta during the AR during during the DRI process. And in this site plan, they incorporated the recommended changes and suggestions. [1:29:11, 1:29:15]: that Greta and ARC asked them to do. [1:29:19, 1:29:20]: Once again. [1:29:21, 1:29:24]: The project has thirteen hundred and sixty one units. [1:29:25, 1:29:31]: And it will be developed in phases, as previously mentioned. Uh the applicant mentioned that in a uh previous presentation. [1:29:32, 1:29:36]: Here's a rendering of what the townhomes would look like in pod A. [1:29:37, 1:29:46]: Part B, which will be the senior cottages, on the screen right now is uh rendering of what the senior cottages, the proposed senior cottages will look like. [1:29:47, 1:29:52]: Pod C is the town homes and here's a rendering of what they will look like. [1:29:55, 1:30:02]: And pod D is the multifamily apartments. And here's a rendering of what they may look like. [1:30:06, 1:30:17]: Staff analysis. Whether the proposal is consistent and or compatible with the city's plans, goals, and objectives reflected in the city's comprehensive plan. [1:30:17, 1:30:37]: Yes, as noted above, the subject property is currently located in a recently in recently annexed property from unincorporated Henry County. The development proposed is not currently consistent with the future land use map at this time of medium designation of mixed medium density vertical mixed use. [1:30:40, 1:31:00]: Uh the applicant requests that the city des I'm sorry, the applicant requests that the city designate the subject properties as high density residential. As a result of that, the proposed development will be consistent with this designation and will advance several policy goals outlined in the city's comprehensive plan. Number one, providing a mixture of housing options. [1:31:00, 1:31:20]: To attract young professionals, singles, and small families, creating appropriate residential types to ensure that seniors can age in place, reducing the impact of new development through the preservation of green space. Over 70 acres will be preserved by this project as green space, supporting increases [1:31:19, 1:31:39]: In residential density in areas where community design standards, environmental constraints, and available infrastructure capacities can satisfy or accommodate the increased density and creating a sense of place for the community. All this is from the City of Stockbridge Comprehensive Plan on page 37 through 39. [1:31:41, 1:31:42]: Uh huh. [1:31:43, 1:32:03]: Uh step two, criteria number two: how the pro proposal impacts the purposes of the overall zoning scheme and whether the proposed changes further the purpose of these zoning regulations. Yes, the project includes a wide range of housing types, single-family detached, multifamily, and single housing, and is highly aligned with local and regional housing. [1:32:03, 1:32:23]: Housing policies. The development scheme for the subject property was established in May of 2019 when Henry County rezoned the subject property to allow for the master mixed use development. The requesting rezoning will simply allow the subject property to be brought into the city of Stockbridge with a similar zoning district as required by city ordinance. [1:32:22, 1:32:25]: UDC section nine point eight. [1:32:27, 1:32:47]: How criteria number three, how the proposal impacts the zoning district, the particular piece of property, neighborhood, or community. The proposed mixed use project is anticipated to have a positive effect on the subject property and the surrounding area. Having a mixture of land uses make the best use of a large site which contains sensitive environmental areas. [1:32:46, 1:32:51]: The master mixed use development plan has already been approved and can be developed now. [1:32:53, 1:32:55]: The impact of any potential [1:32:58, 1:33:03]: On the neighborhood and the community have been considered and has have been endorsed and addressed in this proposal. [1:33:06, 1:33:08]: How the proposal impacts the zoning district. [1:33:10, 1:33:30]: Mean step five, whether the proposal creates an isolated district unrelated to adjacent properties and nearby district. No, the subject property comprises two hundred and seventy-eight acres and consists of a mixed residential development designed to accommodate a diverse range of residents, including single persons, families, and senior citizens, and to provide a variety [1:33:30, 1:33:45]: variety of housing types. The subject property has been designed in essence as a standalone district. It is also adjacent to properties with compatible and complementary designations on the city's future land use development map. [1:33:45, 1:33:51]: How the proposal impacts the aesthetic character of existing and future uses of the property and the surrounding area. [1:33:52, 1:34:04]: The master mixed use development plan that was previously approved by Henry County. Its impact on the static character of existing and future uses of the property and the surrounding areas have been contemplated. [1:34:05, 1:34:25]: Further, both the previously sanctioned use and the proposed use throughout this application are consistent with the city's future development plan and desires for the property that's surrounded, as indicated by the city's future land use map. Whether the proposal is consistent with adjacent development densities and development patterns reflected in the comprehensive plan. [1:34:25, 1:34:45]: Yes, the proposed uses are consistent with the city's future development plans as indicated on the future land use map. In addition, the proposed development would meet the purposes of the Parkway Mixed Use Overlay District. It would feature a balanced mixture of retail and residential uses where residents can both live and shop. The retail uses would provide [1:34:45, 1:34:51]: jobs and bring needed service to the residents of the project and within the surrounding area. [1:34:52, 1:35:02]: How the proposal impacts the public health, safety, and general welfare. The proposal will benefit the public health, safety, and general welfare. The applicant proposes to bring the subject property [1:35:03, 1:35:13]: into the city creating a new vibrant and modern development that that that diversifies the city's housing stock and advance a number of goals outlined in the city's comprehensive plan. [1:35:13, 1:35:14]: Yeah. [1:35:15, 1:35:33]: how the proposed impacts water, sewer, and other public facilities or public services, and how the proposed amendment impacts expenditures of public funds. This application has been reviewed as a DRI. Impacts to water, sewer, public facilities, and public service will be evaluated. [1:35:35, 1:35:55]: And mitigated if required. The applicant notes, however, that it has provided the applicant has provided a sewer capacity letter with this application, indicated that water and sewer are available to serve the subject property with upgrades that the applicant is willing to make. How the proposal impacts traffic, safety, and congestion. [1:35:55, 1:35:57]: Application will be reviewed as a DRI. [1:35:57, 1:36:17]: I mean application has been reviewed as a DRI and a traffic study has been performed and the project will have a minimum impact on the community as stated by the traffic study. How the proposal impacts environmental conditions, included but not limited to drainage, soil, erosion. [1:36:17, 1:36:20]: [5783.2, 5803.2]: Air quality, water quality, and quantity. The applicant will mitigate any potential impacts to the environment by following all city, county, state, and federal requirements related to drainage, soil erosion, and sedimentation, flooding, air quality, water quality, and quantity. How the proposal impacts the provisions of adequate light and air. The proposal will have no negative. [1:36:43, 1:36:46]: negative impacts on the revision of light and air. [1:36:47, 1:36:59]: how the proposal impacts the value of adjacent property. The impacts from the development should be comparable to those from the map mixed use development plan, which is currently permitted [1:37:00, 1:37:03]: From the uh the Henry County's approval in May of nineteen. [1:37:04, 1:37:08]: and should result in an increase in property values in the area. [1:37:08, 1:37:28]: As the site plan submitted with the application application demonstrate, the proposal is a thoughtful, pedestrian-oriented, mixed residential neighborhood that will deliver quality design and construction, all of which should raise the bar for future development on adjacent and nearby properties and generate renewed interest in the area. [1:37:28, 1:37:40]: Four uh criteria number fourteen, whether there are substantial reasons why property cannot be used in accordance with existing regulations. The current proposal is consistent with the zig existing regulations in the city of Stockbridge. [1:37:40, 1:38:00]: Preservation of the integrity of residential neighborhoods shall carry greater weight than other factors, where property front zone and major thoroughfare and also adjoins an established residential neighborhood. The factor of preservation of the residential area shall carry greater weight. The current proposal will have no greater impact on the integrity of adjacent and nearby residential areas. [1:38:00, 1:38:01]: [5882.6, 5885.3]: Master Mixed Use Development Plan that was previously approved. [1:38:06, 1:38:07]: Uh staff recommendations. [1:38:08, 1:38:28]: Staff recommends approval with conditions for the proposed rezoning of the subject property from PUD to PUD. The recommended zoning conditions are one. The property will be conditioned on the site plan title Flipping Road 2, Wall Stevens Road, a Master Plan Residential Development, dated April 25th, 2023 by PUD. [1:38:28, 1:38:31]: PEC Planners and Engineers Collaborative. [1:38:32, 1:38:52]: Uh condition number two. The developer will implement the recommendations from the ARC Regional Review Findings dated March 29, 2023, for Reeds Creek II, DRI number 3799. The developer will make several traffic improvements to mitigate project generated. [1:38:52, 1:38:56]: [5937.2, 5957.2]: The project will be developed in conformance with the City of Stockbridge Unified Development Code and all other city code sections regarding site development standards and requirements. Regarding the property's future land use designation, the approval of CP 2022-04 to change the city's future land use designation from [1:39:17, 1:39:27]: medium density residential to high density residential shall occur simultaneously with approval of case number RZ twenty two O five for rezoning of the property. [1:39:27, 1:39:30]: Reduction in the number of proposed parking spaces [1:39:31, 1:39:38]: from three thousand six hundred and seventy one to three thousand or a twenty or twenty percent reduction, whichever is greater. [1:39:39, 1:39:43]: The maximum density rate for the project will be kept at 4.8 units per acre. [1:39:44, 1:39:49]: The developer will add a minimum of thirty EV charging stations throughout the development. [1:39:51, 1:39:56]: The rezoning should not be finalized until the parcels are com combined and s combined. [1:39:57, 1:39:59]: Simultaneously, this shall not [1:39:59, 1:40:06]: This shall not be finalized until a new plat is officially recorded by the Henry County Superior Court Real Estates Division. [1:40:08, 1:40:23]: Um condition number 10, the applicant shall comply with the following, take appropriate steps for the environmental protection of Reeves, Creek, the floodplain areas, and other sensitive site areas. Submitting an acceptable landscape plan to the Community Development Department. [1:40:24, 1:40:37]: Uh condition number eleven, no land disturbance or building permit shall be issued for the subject property until the applicant has had the new recombination plat officially recorded and has submitted a copy of the recorded plat to the community development department. [1:40:40, 1:40:40]: That's it. [1:40:41, 1:40:46]: Uh quite a bit. Huh, that's a lot, yeah. It's a big before. [1:40:46, 1:40:47]: Yeah, okay. [1:40:50, 1:40:51]: Any comment from the board? [1:40:53, 1:40:57]: I just haven't been convinced um that the congestion will be [1:40:57, 1:41:02]: will not become a serious issue. I just haven't been convinced of that. Even in the future, so [1:41:06, 1:41:08]: That's all I wanted to say. Okay. [1:41:10, 1:41:11]: Have a motion. [1:41:15, 1:41:17]: We have a motion. You gotta have a public hearing. [1:41:18, 1:41:19]: The public hearing. Yeah. [1:41:20, 1:41:22]: The applicant needs to come up and speak first. [1:41:23, 1:41:25]: Yeah. Yeah, let him come here. The applicant speak. [1:41:26, 1:41:27]: Please set the ten minute timer. [1:41:30, 1:41:47]: Ten minutes, I'm gonna need about thirty. Dinweb eleven oh five West PC Street Atlanta, Georgia, three oh three zero nine. Uh I adopt and incorporate my comments from the previous presentation. I think we've said it all. I'm happy to take any questions you have. I reserve my time. I would ask your recommendation of approval. Thank you. [1:41:48, 1:41:50]: Floor is open for public comment. [1:41:55, 1:41:55]: Sure. [1:41:56, 1:41:58]: Yeah, you have a notion. [1:42:00, 1:42:02]: Really? [1:42:08, 1:42:10]: Any comments from the public opposed or supporting it? [1:42:13, 1:42:20]: Hearing none we'll close it out. Oh we need I'm sorry, we need to open it up for those that are in opposition of the request. [1:42:20, 1:42:23]: I said, um are those in supporting and opposing. [1:42:25, 1:42:28]: We have anyone out in the public who supports this or this amendment? [1:42:31, 1:42:32]: Anyone opposing it? [1:42:34, 1:42:36]: Hearing now public comment is closed. [1:42:37, 1:42:38]: We have a motion. [1:42:39, 1:42:59]: I have a question before we vote, uh Mr Chairman. Uh the four parcels that's on the interior of the site, did I believe they belong to the Brown family? W uh the site plan that I saw didn't deal with those parcels or at least they have been eliminated. What what's [1:42:59, 1:43:00]: What's the deal on that? [1:43:07, 1:43:15]: So those tracks are not part of this project. Uh there were conversations to try and include them and a deal was not able to be reached. So the nest and you could build it around them. [1:43:16, 1:43:28]: Correct. And we're still talking to them. I've actually got a call with their attorney tomorrow, so who knows what's gonna happen. But that that tract, it's it's about thirteen acres, it's a decent sized piece of property, is is not included in our deal at this point. [1:43:29, 1:43:32]: Not necessarily because of us, but that's how it is. [1:43:35, 1:43:37]: So that's still being negotiated in in effect of what you're saying. [1:43:38, 1:43:40]: Well uh uh um [1:43:42, 1:43:48]: Yes, I guess. I mean we've we've talked to them, I don't know whether they'll get to a deal or not. We do not have a deal today. Okay. [1:43:49, 1:43:49]: Thank you. [1:43:53, 1:43:55]: Any other questions, comments? [1:43:56, 1:43:58]: Entertain a motion. [1:44:04, 1:44:05]: Everybody at once. [1:44:08, 1:44:14]: This is Dave Planchon. I'd like to make a motion we accept the rezoning um request. [1:44:16, 1:44:17]: A second. [1:44:18, 1:44:36]: It's been moved and second. Uh Chairman, I just want to say accept it with the conditions that the city made. With the additional conditions that the city made. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And that's going to be incorporated the condition that the city outlined to be uh part of. All those in favor, let it be known by a sign of I. [1:44:37, 1:44:44]: Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Has Harrod? Nay, I'm opposed. Pardon? Nay, I'm opposed. [1:44:45, 1:44:46]: [6287.5, 6292.4]: We have uh majority and support one opposition. [1:44:53, 1:44:54]: The motion carries. [1:44:56, 1:45:15]: Next item is uh rezoning case RZ twenty twenty three oh one consideration for request for rezoning to assign the multifamily residential zoning district and parcel. I'm sorry, Chairman. We're um on number ten, uh conditional use permit case cu dash two zero two three dash zero one. [1:45:16, 1:45:18]: You're correct. I'm sorry, I'm jumping ahead. [1:45:21, 1:45:22]: Item 10. [1:45:22, 1:45:36]: Is a conditional use permit case number CU twenty twenty-three oh dash oh one consideration for of a request for a conditional use permit to allow for the development of a place of worship at 713 Valley Hill Roller property located in land lot [1:45:37, 1:45:43]: one oh three district twelve and contains four thousand plus or minus acres within the city of stockbridge. [1:45:45, 1:45:49]: Four point oh. Four point oh pardon me? Four point oh acres. [1:45:49, 1:45:51]: I'm sorry, four point oh plus or minus acres. [1:45:55, 1:45:56]: Ms. Logan. [1:45:57, 1:46:00]: Yes, I'm opening up my presentation here. [1:46:26, 1:46:35]: The applicant for this application is Victory Worship Center, and they are seeking a conditional use permit. [1:46:35, 1:46:37]: Ту остаблиш аплеч оворші. [1:46:38, 1:46:42]: That is the term used in the unified development code. They want to build new church. [1:46:43, 1:46:46]: And on a property at seven one three. [1:46:47, 1:46:48]: Valley Hill Road. [1:46:49, 1:46:50]: And um [1:46:51, 1:47:03]: The applicant has submitted a joint show site plan showing a proposed church along on 713 Valley Hill Road as well as a townhome development on the adjacent parcel to the west. [1:47:04, 1:47:05]: And um [1:47:05, 1:47:08]: And the some background on the case. [1:47:09, 1:47:10]: The um applicant [1:47:11, 1:47:14]: Has owned the property since two taus and five. [1:47:15, 1:47:20]: and re s previously received conditional use permit from Henry County. [1:47:20, 1:47:22]: To build the church. [1:47:22, 1:47:23]: Um [1:47:24, 1:47:27]: But then the property was an annexed into the city. [1:47:27, 1:47:28]: Uh [1:47:28, 1:47:30]: recently and therefore that [1:47:31, 1:47:38]: Conditional use permit from Henry County became void. So now he comes to the city to seek a conditional use permit. [1:47:39, 1:47:47]: So we have on the agenda the related uh applications for uh rezoning of the adjacent property. [1:47:47, 1:47:55]: uh to the west and that's on parcel number oh two nine oh one oh oh nine oh oh one on Valley Hill Road. [1:47:55, 1:48:09]: and as well as a comprehensive plan amendment application and a variance application. I'm mentioning these because the applicant has submitted a joint site plan for both developments, so everything is interrelated. [1:48:11, 1:48:13]: Let me point out the property itself. Um [1:48:14, 1:48:19]: As as anyone who goes to the tax Henry County Tax Assessors website [1:48:19, 1:48:21]: Looking for [1:48:21, 1:48:24]: This адрес о семтер род. [1:48:24, 1:48:25]: This is what they would see. [1:48:25, 1:48:26]: Um [1:48:26, 1:48:34]: And then this is the adjacent parcel actually surrounding it. That has changed recently because the applicant has already [1:48:34, 1:48:37]: officially combined these two parcels. [1:48:37, 1:48:42]: through the recombination process and um got a recorded plat [1:48:42, 1:48:45]: Uh handled by Superior Court on May second. [1:48:46, 1:48:46]: And so [1:48:47, 1:48:51]: Now the parcels actually look like this. Um [1:48:51, 1:49:02]: The yellow parcel on the east is the seven thirteen Valley Hill Road and then on the west in the orange is the adjacent parcel where the town home development would be built. [1:49:11, 1:49:16]: I've already gone through this. Um the applicant currently um [1:49:16, 1:49:21]: is operating a church within council district four. [1:49:21, 1:49:35]: It's on North Henry Boulevard, six oh four three North Henry Boulevard. That is in a commercial center, uh basically right across from where Valley Hill Road intersects with North Henry Boulevard. [1:49:36, 1:49:45]: So he's operating there and would like to now move the church into a new building that he wants to construct on subject property. [1:49:47, 1:49:51]: Here is surrounding zoning. The property is right here in this area. [1:49:51, 1:49:55]: Now we have uh rural residential in the buff color. [1:49:55, 1:50:03]: And we have uh in blue uh PUD, the um Valley Hill Station Um Subdivision. [1:50:04, 1:50:10]: Uh Davis Road is down here to the south and as you know in our last set of meetings [1:50:10, 1:50:15]: We had um council approved on this property another town home development. [1:50:16, 1:50:29]: Here is the surrounding land use designations. Um we have low density residential along Valley Hill Road, and then we have uh Clayton County owns a large [1:50:29, 1:50:32]: Um water treatment facility here. [1:50:32, 1:50:36]: In a slate color, and then Georgia Power has a small operation. [1:50:36, 1:50:37]: Uh next to it. [1:50:41, 1:50:47]: Let's see, I've already covered a lot of these facts. The property is fairly level and partially wooded, but the front part [1:50:47, 1:50:53]: Along Valley Hill Road is the lowest area and that's where a detention pond would be would be built. [1:50:54, 1:50:55]: Um [1:50:57, 1:50:58]: Okay. [1:50:59, 1:51:06]: So as far as the proposed development, um the joint s site plan, let me pull that up here uh quickly. So [1:51:07, 1:51:16]: Um it looks like this. This is the official plan that has all the um architects um information here on the side. I enlarged it a little bit here. [1:51:17, 1:51:17]: Um [1:51:18, 1:51:29]: And so this will show the church building here in brown, and then the parking lots in a bright blue. And um and this would be a central [1:51:30, 1:51:33]: main driveway serving both developments. [1:51:33, 1:51:38]: And then over here on the west side you'd have uh town town home buildings. [1:51:38, 1:51:40]: Uh, here in the Navy blue. [1:51:43, 1:51:46]: Let me go back up here to these other slides. [1:51:47, 1:52:05]: So uh anyway the uh sanctuary building would just be one building right now, would have twelve thousand five hundred eighty-six total square feet and the largest assembly area would have thirty-three fifty square feet. That's important because the amount of required parking is based on that. [1:52:06, 1:52:09]: Town homes there'd be fifty six units, all three or four bedrooms. [1:52:10, 1:52:13]: and at a density of seven point one two units per acre. [1:52:15, 1:52:25]: Um so I mentioned all this um there would be an interior looped street um to serve uh the town home portion. [1:52:28, 1:52:31]: The sidewalks will be six feet wide on both sides of the street. [1:52:32, 1:52:33]: And um [1:52:34, 1:52:36]: Now the setbacks for the town home lots. [1:52:37, 1:52:52]: Um the applicant has also applied for a variance. That's the subject of one of our next cases to reduce the front yard setbacks from the required uh fifty feet to twenty five feet. That's in the MFR multifamily residential district. [1:52:52, 1:52:54]: I'll be talking more about that later. [1:52:54, 1:52:58]: There would be fifty foot buffers at the rears of the town home buildings. [1:52:59, 1:53:05]: Menatees would be provided a recreation area with gazebo, with a pavilion, playground, barbecue area. [1:53:06, 1:53:09]: And two small park areas would be at the central portion of the development. [1:53:11, 1:53:23]: So back here again. So we have a detention pond up here. This is the main driveway, detention pond and uh park areas here in the center. I think there would be a mail kiosk. [1:53:23, 1:53:27]: in this area too, applicants still trying to work that out. [1:53:27, 1:53:28]: Um [1:53:28, 1:53:35]: Emergency vehicles would be able to circulate around easily and turn around here at the end of the street. [1:53:36, 1:53:40]: Here's um some renderings of how the church building would look. [1:53:41, 1:53:53]: Here in the front, you'd have a main uh entryway here, covered entryway, here's a side elevation, and then then of course um the left left end. [1:53:54, 1:53:55]: The length of the building. [1:53:57, 1:54:05]: The applicant as for for a the UDC requires that the applicant submit a parking plan. [1:54:05, 1:54:10]: For a worship center. I won't go through all this, but I'm just showing you that he did submit one. [1:54:11, 1:54:13]: And it talks about um [1:54:13, 1:54:17]: number of parking spaces and oper operational times. [1:54:18, 1:54:18]: Um [1:54:19, 1:54:23]: uh church would operate between nine AM and twelve noon. [1:54:23, 1:54:24]: Um [1:54:25, 1:54:29]: Sundays and then Wednesday between seven PM to eight thirty PM. [1:54:30, 1:54:39]: Um currently the church membership is about one hundred. Uh of course the church hopes to grow and um [1:54:40, 1:54:43]: There would also be some times of special events happening. [1:54:43, 1:54:51]: And the applicant is um planning has contingency plan for parking maybe maybe by providing some [1:54:51, 1:54:52]: Hmm. [1:54:52, 1:54:54]: Bus shuttles from a nearby property. [1:54:55, 1:54:59]: And and the current seating capacity would allow three hundred. [1:55:00, 1:55:03]: And that seems to be adequate at this time. [1:55:06, 1:55:08]: Let's see. [1:55:08, 1:55:10]: All right, so I've covered these. [1:55:12, 1:55:18]: Now uh the are some standards in the unified development code for places of worship. [1:55:19, 1:55:31]: And um there's a minimum site area of two acres. He has actually has four acres. Road frontage two hundred feet, exceeds that. Buffers side and rear of twenty feet, that's been met. [1:55:31, 1:55:34]: uh sp specified building materials. [1:55:34, 1:55:39]: And a setbacks fifty feet from all property lines. Those requirements have been met. [1:55:41, 1:55:49]: Um there are also some requirements on accessory uses. Some are allowed, but the applicant does not propose any at this time. [1:55:49, 1:55:51]: Although um [1:55:51, 1:55:57]: Daycare center could be allowed, but not on this property because of its residential zoning. [1:55:57, 1:56:04]: And Fellowship Hall, there's no plans for that right now. It's part of the same sanctuary building. [1:56:05, 1:56:20]: Uh parsonage. This is where a pastor would live on a separate building on the property. There is a existing house on the property and that would continue to be used as that, but the pastor would not live there. [1:56:21, 1:56:22]: At this time. [1:56:22, 1:56:24]: If that were to change, we should [1:56:24, 1:56:28]: than uh a separate a parsonage lot [1:56:29, 1:56:36]: would have to be uh d delineated on the property for that purpose of at least eight thousand square feet, not of the house but of the [1:56:37, 1:56:38]: The land area. [1:56:39, 1:56:41]: Plus two parking spaces. [1:56:41, 1:56:45]: Uh he has provided a specific parking plan. [1:56:46, 1:56:47]: Let's see. [1:56:49, 1:56:55]: There are additional required setbacks for the sanctuary of five feet. [1:56:55, 1:57:00]: For each additional two thousand feet, the site plan does meet that requirement. [1:57:03, 1:57:11]: As far as our analysis we had to look at the the standards for places of worship that I just went through and I've covered these already. [1:57:12, 1:57:12]: Um [1:57:13, 1:57:20]: And these accessory uses uh we've actually gone through these. Um okay. [1:57:21, 1:57:26]: Now there's a separate analysis uh in general for the granting of conditional use permits. [1:57:27, 1:57:33]: So A proposed use shall not cause traffic congestion or conditions that'll bursely affect nearby properties. [1:57:33, 1:57:35]: So the applicant is [1:57:35, 1:57:37]: Position the project entrance. [1:57:39, 1:57:44]: In an acceptable location, this an engineer determined that because of the curvature of the road. [1:57:45, 1:57:48]: that therefore the project interest needed to be put [1:57:48, 1:57:51]: In the spot where it's indicated on the site plan. [1:57:52, 1:57:59]: Um we don't expect any weekday rush shower traffic uh generated from this because of different operational hours. [1:57:59, 1:58:06]: I mentioned the detention pond having to be located uh at the low point of the property at the front. [1:58:12, 1:58:12]: Um [1:58:13, 1:58:17]: The staff findings we found that the uh uh applicant wants to [1:58:17, 1:58:21]: construct a church on a building with on property which has already owned [1:58:21, 1:58:23]: Форс твітаза фа. [1:58:24, 1:58:29]: And as I mentioned, the conditional use permit was previously obtained from the county. [1:58:30, 1:58:30]: Um [1:58:32, 1:58:40]: And the standards of places of worship have been met. In view of all these facts and our analysis, we feel that this uh proposal. [1:58:40, 1:58:44]: For a place of worship on the subject property should be approved with conditions. [1:58:45, 1:58:46]: uh those conditions being [1:58:47, 1:58:48]: The site plan that was submitted. [1:58:49, 1:58:57]: And um with also that if any additional buildings, uses and activities are proposed, they shall meet the requirements. [1:58:57, 1:59:02]: uh sec subsection three point two point twenty four E the Unified Development Code. [1:59:02, 1:59:08]: I mentioned the requirement about the parsonage lot and no day care centers shall operate on the property. [1:59:09, 1:59:14]: Uh, regarding parking is another condition to prov to make sure there's ample parking and if [1:59:14, 1:59:19]: for special events as well as expanded church membership. [1:59:22, 1:59:23]: Are there any questions? [1:59:36, 1:59:38]: No question. Why don't we open it up for public comment? [1:59:41, 1:59:43]: Those in support, those opposed. [1:59:45, 1:59:50]: think we should hear from the applicant before we do that. So we come up with that. [1:59:50, 1:59:54]: Yeah, they have to keep that. [2:00:03, 2:00:06]: Does the applicant want to make a presentation first? [2:00:07, 2:00:08]: Thanks so. [2:00:10, 2:00:11]: Yeah, I just said. [2:00:15, 2:00:34]: Okay. Chair Chairman Abdullah, uh uh just a a point of order for the public hearing process. The applicant has the option to come up and speak. They have ten minutes to speak at this time. And then following that, any questions you all have, and then we would need to open it up for public hearing. Yeah. Just for the for the benefit of the people. [2:00:37, 2:00:44]: So in the in the order of of the process, it will require that the acting come up and speak towards his his project. [2:00:47, 2:00:53]: Good evening, Commissioners. I'm Reverend Nation. I am the Pastor Victory Worship Center, the proposed [2:00:54, 2:00:57]: Um plans that have been discussed so far. [2:00:57, 2:01:03]: I I decided I would not make any initial remarks because I was wanted to hear the [2:01:03, 2:01:06]: concerns of the residents, but I would say this that [2:01:06, 2:01:11]: We began this project about some four tін plus єр зако. [2:01:12, 2:01:17]: And we've had a number of setbacks uh trying to get uh this project off the ground. [2:01:17, 2:01:23]: Initially, we heard uh some concerns when we first were part of Henry County. [2:01:23, 2:01:27]: А концерн да ви ток і то грайкосин. [2:01:27, 2:01:31]: There was a meeting of the minds, and we came to some. [2:01:31, 2:01:34]: Common ground, and we were able to. [2:01:34, 2:01:53]: uh do some things to which we were able to get the conditional use permit granted. Uh of course there were a number of things that we uh could not move the project forward. So here we are now. Having done a number of things, uh we wanted to make certain that we were going to take into consideration what impact it would have on the community. [2:01:53, 2:02:13]: The fact is that we are going to be a part of that community, and we did not want to infringe upon the residents there. We have a long-term commitment to that part of the community. We have been there for quite a number of years. Our intend is that we want to add to the community. We want to have a positive. [2:02:13, 2:02:15]: positive impact on the community. [2:02:15, 2:02:30]: When we started, we were considering to build a perhaps I would say about 70 plus units, townhouses that is. But with a number of considerations and concerns by the city planners, we had to scale that project back. [2:02:30, 2:02:40]: Uh we had a number of instances where the city planners uh held our feet to the fire and required of us to do a number of things to make certain that we would meet. [2:02:40, 2:02:43]: the concerns of the residents of the community. [2:02:43, 2:02:46]: And we thought we did that to the best of our ability. [2:02:46, 2:02:58]: Uh we can't be certain that we've done everything that we can uh satisfy the concerns of the residents. However, I'm hopeful that we can here tonight address any concerns they may have. [2:02:58, 2:03:18]: But I would venture to say that we have done a number of things to bring us to this point. Hopefully, with um uh all considerations and concerns met, we can receive your approval to move this project forward. So I I'll hold back a uh a little bit of my time and to uh allow the uh citizens to come forward unless you have any questions. [2:03:18, 2:03:20]: Questions of me while I'm standing. [2:03:21, 2:03:21]: Yeah. [2:03:22, 2:03:24]: Anybody. [2:03:25, 2:03:28]: No, we're open up for public comments. Okay. Thank you, sir. [2:03:32, 2:03:37]: This items are now open for public comment. Those in support or opposed to the project. [2:03:38, 2:03:40]: Oh well, right there. [2:03:43, 2:03:48]: Have you signed up to [2:03:58, 2:04:12]: Good evening. My name's Anthony Mitten. I live at 164 Valladale Drive in Stockbridge in Henry County. I've lived at my property for thirty years. It abates the property that's proposed for variance and development. [2:04:14, 2:04:17]: Ай персональ на опоздов ворші. [2:04:17, 2:04:23]: On a piece of property, but what I am concerned about is the church's ability to start a project. [2:04:24, 2:04:28]: That maybe they can't afford. They've owned the property since two thousand five. [2:04:29, 2:04:31]: The property is currently overgrown. [2:04:32, 2:04:37]: Has a dilapid dilapidated sign on the property that states that it's the future home of the church. [2:04:38, 2:04:39]: Not town homes. [2:04:41, 2:04:43]: So I am concerned first and foremost about that. [2:04:44, 2:04:48]: One condition that I would request prior to this panel's approval [2:04:49, 2:04:52]: Із-таки девел schedule a community forum. [2:04:53, 2:04:58]: To talk to us about the proposed development, to the residents specifically. [2:04:59, 2:04:59]: Okay. [2:05:00, 2:05:01]: Um [2:05:02, 2:05:06]: I will say one particular concern that I have is that [2:05:06, 2:05:11]: If the church is what appears to be having trouble maintaining the property, [2:05:12, 2:05:14]: That this is gonna be a phased approach. [2:05:14, 2:05:16]: With the town homes being built first. [2:05:18, 2:05:19]: To find the church. [2:05:20, 2:05:40]: And personally that would not be my preference. I never saw the property as a residential area. It was always proposed as a church, which once again I'm not against. So I would request the developers schedule a community forum prior to the twelfth June council meeting. Thank you. [2:05:40, 2:05:40]: Mm-hmm. [2:05:42, 2:05:43]: So [2:05:45, 2:05:54]: I was just gonna s uh Raymond King, I live at one we live at one twelve and we would just support his proposal. He submitted to y'all. [2:05:54, 2:05:55]: Thank you. [2:05:59, 2:06:00]: Mr. Alfred, you'd like to speak again? [2:06:03, 2:06:03]: Sorry. [2:06:06, 2:06:26]: Jocelyn Williams, one ninety Banks Drive, Scott Bridge, Georgia, three hundred two eight one, Henry County. I'm in opposition to the um building of this unit and the rezoning because it is a residential area. Like the gentleman before me, I've been here since nineteen ninety two. Infrastructure is critical. [2:06:26, 2:06:46]: It's a two-lane highway, uh two-lane road. And what would happen when when you build fifty uh town homes within that area, it's just gonna cause more traffic. And um I would oppose it changing because once we change into [2:06:46, 2:07:06]: to a PUD, then once again it comes into a high density area and we don't have an infrastructure. We're building, we're permitting, and just like my neighbors have said, it's nothing I can do, but I do want my voice uh heard that whenever something is being built, I will always come in uh opposition. But I can't thank you enough for [2:07:06, 2:07:08]: allowing me to speak at this time. Thank you. [2:07:21, 2:07:27]: Good evening. I'm Donna Dank. I live at three oh six Grove Hill Drive. We were at the Williams [2:07:28, 2:07:28]: Ah. [2:07:30, 2:07:46]: Turned it off. Um the Transcontinental Pipeline meeting the other evening. On the rendering there was no statement that the William um Williams Transcontinental Pipeline is right across the pumping station is directly across from this property. [2:07:46, 2:08:06]: I just wanted to point that out because it is there. It wasn't on the rendering. Um these the road that this would be off of there is an accident very often. I know that they said that the um entrance would be on the flat part, but it is like the lady that was just [2:08:06, 2:08:20]: before me said it is a very busy road and it's one way and it's very, very um has a very high um topography. I don't know if you've ever driven on Valley Hill Road, but it's it's [2:08:21, 2:08:27]: They race on that road, okay, and there's been a lot of accidents on there. So the concerns of the traffic and [2:08:28, 2:08:40]: the um the danger of it as well. I know it would be Sunday morning for church and Wednesday evening for church, but my concern is the added traffic from the townhomes as well. [2:08:41, 2:09:01]: And I do believe I know that only the people that we know of that are up butt up against the property were given the letters. But like I said, we were at the meeting the other night about the um transcontinental pipeline is when we that was the first time we found out about this. And like the gentleman before um stated that [2:09:01, 2:09:12]: Um it has always just been a proposal for the church. And this this week was the first time that we heard that there was going to be townhomes as well. So thank you so much for your time. [2:09:16, 2:09:16]: Mm-hmm. [2:09:19, 2:09:27]: Would you read no no no mic. Repeat your name and address so she can hear you. I did. Okay. Donna Dink, three oh six Grofield Drive. [2:09:38, 2:09:38]: Go ahead. [2:09:49, 2:10:09]: I'm certainly happy to hear the concerns of the residents. Let me begin first of all to address the uh the fact that this was not um there was no town meeting prior to this meeting. Um our instruction was to notify the residents that was adjacent to our property. [2:10:09, 2:10:29]: Can you hear? Oh. Okay. And um and we did so. We're not opposed to having a meeting. In fact, if time permits before the 12th, if the commissioners so uh dictate that we do have one, uh we'll certainly make the arrangement to do so. Uh we we want to take into consideration [2:10:29, 2:10:49]: The residents' concerns. We don't want to infringe upon their long standing residence in that part of the community. Apart from that, I want to just talk a little bit about the fact that the uh there was nothing mentioned about townhouses prior to the top of the top. [2:10:49, 2:10:55]: to this uh meeting uh prior to the announcements letter now announcements that had gone out. [2:10:55, 2:11:02]: Our original plan uh when we started uh back in 2006, our plan was to first build a church. [2:11:03, 2:11:23]: And then our plans was to build condominiums. That's what we were intended to do. We were going to do it in phases. The plan was to first build a church and then condominiums. A number of things happened, and uh need not needless to go into that, we decided to put the plan on hold. We needed to regroup and readdress some of the major concerns. [2:11:23, 2:11:43]: Concerns we had internally within the ministry. And so we have come to this point now, realized that we can only do townhouses. And that's why we're moving into that direction. As I mentioned before, we started to build about 70 plus townhouses. But the [2:11:42, 2:11:51]: The pl city planners admonished us that would be too many for the size property. Of course, we needed to take into consideration parking. [2:11:51, 2:11:57]: That was a b uh most important part of our plan. So uh the number of uh units have been reduced. [2:11:58, 2:11:59]: uh to where it is currently. [2:12:00, 2:12:20]: Um we uh we want to uh make sure that the residents do understand that um traffic uh is our concern and uh we will make sure that going into the development of the project we will have a better appreciation for what we need to do. The developer is not going to build the townhouses. [2:12:20, 2:12:37]: In one complete phase. He's going to do it incrementally. The church, of course, will be going up with the first building, but as as so far as the townhouses, they were not building it completely at the in one setting. [2:12:38, 2:12:44]: uh that would give us some time to really get a good sense of how things would uh flow within the community. [2:12:45, 2:12:49]: I think I need just mention one other thing and then I'll I think I would have exhausted my time. [2:12:49, 2:13:09]: And that is uh the fact that the the property has been overgrown. Uh unfortunately we we had no intentions of it being overgrown. It uh we felt it was far more prudent for us to put those funds into an account rather than paying someone to cut that uh the grass. It wasn't being used for anything. [2:13:09, 2:13:29]: useful. And so unfortunately, hopefully I offer an apology to the residents if it was creating an eyesore for them and uh hopefully we can address that quickly. But uh we're coming into that community. We want to work with the residents there. Uh we want to make sure whatever we do, uh we can have [2:13:29, 2:13:49]: a long-term relationship. So we're we have a listing here and we want to make sure that we're going to do everything we can to be a good uh resident of that community to which they'll have no disappointment that we're there. If there's no questions of me, I'll I'll have a seat unless anyone has any uh further questions. But I [2:13:49, 2:13:51]: I I trust that the [2:13:51, 2:14:11]: Uh w not overlooking their concerns or which we want to address. I trust that the commissioners will uh allow us to move forward. It's been uh 14 long years plus, so we we're hoping that this time we can move the project forward. Well, there was two questions raised. Yes, sir. From the public. One of them was that they didn't understand how [2:14:11, 2:14:31]: How you could afford to uh erect a church when you have maintained the land. Uh and so I I I I would if if I were you, I think that first thing I would do is I would clear that overgrowth. Uh uh it would reduce any questions of concern about your financial ability to. [2:14:31, 2:14:48]: erect this this edifice. Um the other thing is that if I were you, I would meet with the residents to really disclose to them exactly what's going on. One of the things they pointed out was that it's always been a sign up there for a church and not town homes. And so [2:14:48, 2:15:08]: It looks a little from their perspective I'm looking a little deceptive because they're expecting that church and now we got a development. And so I mean, you want to be part of the community, you need to disclose I think you need to disclose all that to the community and have a meeting with them. That's not me. I'm just saying what I would do if I were in your position. [2:15:09, 2:15:19]: Certainly I received that and having heard that, it would be our intentions to do precisely that. Uh let me just say this, the the the property is divided into two lots. [2:15:19, 2:15:39]: Uh the house was originally sitting on about an acre plus. We have been maintaining that all along. Originally we were keeping the grass cut on the larger portion. Uh there's nothing that uh we would uh find useful to maintain it. Uh we didn't consider it to be a problem uh had it been broken. [2:15:39, 2:15:59]: Brought to our attention, uh, we certainly would have addressed that. Uh, and at this junction, if if that is uh an issue, I I simply say this: the the uh the overgrowth is uh something that we're gonna address immediately uh once we have the approval to move forward with the construction plans. But the if you go to the property where the house [2:15:59, 2:16:15]: is that area's always been maintained and cut and kept well groomed where the house is. So we have been doing that since uh ownership. But I I I take uh I don't make light of what you're saying. I I do take that onto cos into consideration. [2:16:15, 2:16:16]: Yeah. [2:16:17, 2:16:17]: Okay. [2:16:23, 2:16:40]: I think that's it. I mean they've they've already voiced their opinion about it. I I'd be saying I only comment I was making is that I would address those issues to eliminate any uh negative comments about uh yes the the idea, the proposed project. [2:16:40, 2:16:54]: And and what we'll do is um we'll move immediately to make some plans to has set up a community meeting where we can explain fully what we're our intentions are and uh so the residents uh their minds will be cleared. [2:16:54, 2:16:58]: We'll we'll do that. Uh that's something we'll not uh overlook. [2:16:59, 2:16:59]: Okay. [2:16:59, 2:17:01]: Can we add that as conditions? [2:17:01, 2:17:02]: Yeah. Okay. [2:17:06, 2:17:26]: Okay. Thank you, sir. I have a question for you, sir. Mr. Chairman, if you don't mind. You recently replanted that that, you know, you combined two lots. Uh the new plat, do you are you gonna have two separate lots, the four acres and the seven, or is it it's uh it's been uh uh di divided. So you have two [2:17:26, 2:17:46]: Parcel. Two parcels at this time. Yes. Well they will they have the same parcel numbers that no uh they we're we're gonna have that uh change that's gonna be changed. They're gonna be new parcels. Okay. So the commit the condition of use that you're asking for only applies to the four acres. For the four acres at this time and then gotcha, of course, yeah. [2:17:46, 2:17:47]: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. [2:17:48, 2:17:49]: Um [2:17:50, 2:17:55]: The con the townhomes that you anticipate building oh [2:17:59, 2:18:16]: Is that predicated on the church being built or is the church being built predicated on the town homes? Uh no is the uh we we have a we're working with a developer who is going to be funding that project separate from the church. The church is gonna fund the building of the church separate. [2:18:16, 2:18:23]: Асорин від аделопер. So we're not entirely dependent upon that project be built. [2:18:23, 2:18:27]: Of course, there are certain benefits that will come as a result of that. [2:18:27, 2:18:41]: Uh but uh the there's two separate funding uh that that's um if I hopefully I'm answering your question, that's gonna address I guess what I'm trying to get at is if if for some reason the church is not approved [2:18:43, 2:19:00]: Could the town home still take place or vice versa? If the townhomes are not approved, could the church still take place? Well um there we we're still in the um preliminary phase of that. I'll say this that the townhouses uh can go forward. [2:19:00, 2:19:14]: um uh w without the church. Um uh the church can be built. Uh there's certain things that needs to be done, uh primarily uh the infrastructure, uh the road. [2:19:14, 2:19:16]: uh detention pond [2:19:16, 2:19:21]: That the church will uh need to have access to the fact that the [2:19:21, 2:19:24]: um the the development housing part of that [2:19:25, 2:19:29]: Існує в досчу адемс, вч<unk>рч ви рейон. [2:19:29, 2:19:47]: Which it more or less alleviates some of that expense. So um but to answer your question, we could go forward. We just have to change the entire uh plan uh c planning consideration in order for that to take place, which which would make it a little bit more challenging if we were having to do that. Okay. [2:19:47, 2:19:50]: Did you contemplate building town homes? [2:19:51, 2:20:11]: As owner occupied town homes or is there a possibility that they would be rented? Oh no. Uh it would be unfortunate if we consider renting. That's not our consideration because we're sensitive to our neighbors. Uh that the biggest thing that uh we would uh not want to do is to impose on them. [2:20:11, 2:20:14]: А рез, пика жіно, рез. [2:20:15, 2:20:30]: uh will not take uh as much interest in the maintenance of their property as uh owners will. So our plan calls for owners uh to uh take uh individual families take ownership of those townhouses. That's what we're we're looking for right now. [2:20:31, 2:20:36]: Did you anticipate having an HOA? Yes, we're that's something we're working towards as well. [2:20:37, 2:20:40]: Okay. I read in some of the documents that you [2:20:41, 2:20:42]: Plan to keep [2:20:42, 2:21:02]: maintenance of the road until a a later date rather than dedicating it to the city once the road is complete. And I was concerned because if you do that, that would put an unnecessary burden on the HOA, it seems to me. [2:21:02, 2:21:22]: Um one of the things that and unfortunately I do have the architect here, unfortunately developer had a uh uh pre-arranged uh meeting, could not make it here, that would be something that I would uh defer to him. His suggestion would be uh that short term the we would have uh the [2:21:22, 2:21:42]: the uh main entrance uh as private and um and at some future date uh make that public. Um of course uh we we can look at whatever suggestions that would may be uh put forward but at this time that's one of the things that he suggested that we would do so we were more or less following [2:21:42, 2:21:44]: When uh his guy dies. [2:21:46, 2:21:47]: Mm-hmm. [2:21:50, 2:21:52]: The existing Rotherdown. [2:21:54, 2:21:58]: Is that gonna be part of the church function? [2:21:59, 2:22:19]: The the house that's there now, it would be part of the church. Uh we're exploring a number of possibilities. Um of course we're always going to keep in mind that uh planners uh we have to uh use them as a as a um an approval for anything that we may plan to do futuristically. [2:22:19, 2:22:23]: But to answer your question is part of the uh church uh infrastructure. [2:22:26, 2:22:29]: Which would make that also an exempt property. [2:22:32, 2:22:37]: The whole church structure and the existing would all be one parcel. [2:22:38, 2:22:41]: Yes, that's one parcel. Yes, that's correct. Yes, correct. [2:22:43, 2:22:51]: I have a question. The church that you're proposing for this development, does it already have a congregation someplace else? [2:22:51, 2:23:11]: Yes. Uh we are currently meeting just uh less than two blocks away. Uh we're in a commercial we're in a commercial building. And and I I'm glad you raised that question because one of the challenges we're having now where we're currently located and we're facing some enormous uh difficulties. Uh the it's a commercial area. [2:23:11, 2:23:31]: Area. We first moved in that complex, and since then there's been I think six or more ministries have moved in. It's quite congested on Sunday. Things that we want to do in order to grow the ministry and to have community programs, we're hampered in that location. So it's uh [2:23:31, 2:23:45]: uh critical for us to have a location where we can do those um ministry programs and of course uh make it uh more feasible and comfortable for our uh parishioners when they come uh to church on Sundays. [2:23:45, 2:23:54]: How far away does your current prisoner come from? What's the furthest one away do you think? The majority are in the Henry County area. [2:23:54, 2:23:59]: А ви до фамилии з outside of Henry County. [2:23:59, 2:24:03]: uh but the majority of them are in the enry county area [2:24:04, 2:24:15]: So you don't you don't think people that purchase these town homes would be objectionable to somebody from the outside coming in twice a week to into their neighborhood? [2:24:16, 2:24:18]: In terms of uh worship. [2:24:18, 2:24:30]: Yeah yes. Okay. I you know, I I'm not sure if that would pose a a a great concern for one, uh we only have services on Sunday for two hours. [2:24:30, 2:24:34]: А курнли ви док сервис ом. [2:24:35, 2:24:42]: And we're doing that for the foreseeable future. It seemingly works for busy families. Um I cannot say at what point we may. [2:24:43, 2:24:45]: Гото Мідвик сервис і персона [2:24:46, 2:24:50]: Аботн Сандайс ви. [2:24:50, 2:25:02]: And um at the time we start, uh interestingly I would say this, that when we first started to build the church, we're putting that building on the western side of the property. [2:25:02, 2:25:22]: Uh, if I'm looking at it correctly, yeah, western side of the property, uh, which was more closer to the residents. Uh because of some of the concerns raised, we decided that we'll put it on the eastern side. So the church is much further away from the residence that the closest uh residence uh to us is a single family house. [2:25:22, 2:25:36]: house. But the townhouses, of course, are going to be adjacent to the residents. And if there was a concern for noise that that should be minimized if if that would be a an issue with the residents. [2:25:36, 2:25:53]: I can see the benefit of developing the church first. That way anybody moving in there would know ahead of time that there is a church inside of this development. Yeah. So that's it. Well, certainly that's that's a number of considerations we've had and we're viewing all the possibilities. The most important thing we wanna [2:25:54, 2:25:57]: get disapproval so we can move to the next phase. [2:25:58, 2:25:59]: Yeah. Thank you. [2:25:59, 2:26:17]: The town chairman, the town homes are open to anyone to um purchase or it's Absolutely, absolutely. Not parishioners alone. Anyone can purchase. No one is restricted, no race, no um background. We're not uh putting any um uh uh limitations on who can live there. [2:26:17, 2:26:22]: Um hopefully those who move in would want to worship with us. We certainly would love that. [2:26:25, 2:26:35]: If approved, what's your anticipated build out schedule for the church as well as the townhomes? How far down the road are we looking? [2:26:35, 2:26:54]: Well, um my best estimation, I wish the developer was here. Uh my best estimation would be uh the earliest we could possibly begin to uh develop the property would perhaps be sometime in the fall, I I would say, because we still have to get through uh the city council. [2:26:54, 2:27:11]: Uh we do not know what they may impose upon us and then w we have to then proceed with all the plans, complete the plans and get their approval. And of course, uh we don't know what uh hurdles we may have to overcome to get it done. So my best guess is that perhaps I'm gonna fall. [2:27:11, 2:27:14]: So a twenty twenty three start date, what about a end date? [2:27:15, 2:27:35]: Uh if we are able to get the church started in the fall, I would say by December we should have the church up. As far as the townhouses, uh, the developer has indicated he wants to build it incrementally. Uh and I guess what he's thinking is based on uh needs. If if when building the first building that uh buyers are there. [2:27:35, 2:27:50]: He'll move immediately to build the next building. But if the market is slow and um and there aren't any uh buyers, I I can assure you that the project will be put on pause uh so we cannot predict what the end date might be. [2:27:52, 2:27:54]: But hopefully uh spring of next year. [2:27:55, 2:28:01]: at the latest if I if I would uh if I could say anything. Hopefully. I don't know. I I think my time is up. [2:28:02, 2:28:20]: I hope I have not said too much. They said don't give a preacher a microphone. Okay. Have I have I answered all questions? And please I'd love to get with you. I'd I most certainly would love to get with you. And whoever the key person is, I'd like to get your telephone out. Okay, go ahead. [2:28:21, 2:28:30]: I'm sorry? Price price. Price point. Uh we had a discussion with the developer. Uh first of all, he is looking at what the comps are in the area. [2:28:30, 2:28:44]: And uh he has thrown out some numbers, but uh let me caution you here because they're still tweaking the cost for development and that is gonna be key in determining what the price is, but he has thrown out some numbers, say l [2:28:45, 2:28:58]: Low three hundreds, perhaps mid three hundreds, I don't know. Uh let me not uh put anything out there concrete. I'm just saying that uh he has uh thrown out some numbers. But what's gonna decide that is [2:28:58, 2:29:00]: What the comms are in the area. [2:29:00, 2:29:18]: He certainly wants to complement the the value of the homes in the area. We're not want to undercut the value of the what the residents' uh properties are. So certainly we want to, if nothing more, increase their value based on whatever we're going to put there. So it's a number of things we're looking at. [2:29:21, 2:29:23]: All right, thank you very much. Okay. [2:29:24, 2:29:27]: But you're still on the [2:29:27, 2:29:28]: Yeah. [2:29:28, 2:29:29]: I'm sorry. [2:29:29, 2:29:31]: They're gonna be in our backyard. [2:29:34, 2:29:35]: Yes. [2:29:35, 2:29:37]: All right, real quick. [2:29:38, 2:29:38]: Real quick. [2:29:40, 2:29:43]: About thirteen years ago when they had that rezoned. [2:29:43, 2:29:45]: It was uh Henry County. [2:29:45, 2:29:51]: Excuse me, sir, your name and address, please. Ma'am. Yes, another little Raymond King, one twelve Valley Dale Drive. [2:29:52, 2:29:57]: Right in their backyard. It was uh Henry County. We came down here. [2:29:57, 2:29:59]: The county rezoned it. [2:29:59, 2:30:00]: For the church. [2:30:01, 2:30:02]: The church. [2:30:03, 2:30:06]: They put in all the stipulations a privacy fence. [2:30:06, 2:30:09]: Paving the road, landscaping the whole nine yards. [2:30:09, 2:30:10]: For the church. [2:30:11, 2:30:12]: Nothing happened. [2:30:12, 2:30:14]: We call the county every year or so. [2:30:15, 2:30:20]: Но чайжес, но чангес, но чайжес фор. [2:30:20, 2:30:22]: We finally called them. [2:30:22, 2:30:24]: Several years ago, they said [2:30:25, 2:30:31]: Their rezoning is null and void because it's been a year and a half, they haven't done anything for the church. [2:30:32, 2:30:36]: This thing is five and a half years ago when they planned on uh [2:30:37, 2:30:38]: Building the town homes. [2:30:39, 2:30:40]: They knew it. [2:30:40, 2:30:42]: We knew three weeks ago. [2:30:42, 2:30:47]: when we got something in the mail that they wanted to put town homes in there. They knew [2:30:48, 2:30:50]: We had three weeks. [2:30:51, 2:30:52]: Three weeks. [2:30:53, 2:31:00]: And the whole time that Lance been sent back there, the word townhomes has never been brought up one time, not once. [2:31:02, 2:31:06]: А не оливод, ви щодо в кноп. [2:31:06, 2:31:10]: They've known this is five this plant right here is five and a half years old. [2:31:12, 2:31:16]: I don't even know if it's the correct one or not, if this is the most current one that they gave you. [2:31:17, 2:31:18]: But [2:31:18, 2:31:23]: We hadn't even had we've looked and saw saw the difference between twenty five feet variance and fifty feet. [2:31:24, 2:31:26]: And it's gonna raise the value of our house. [2:31:27, 2:31:30]: Anyway, we appreciate you guys' time. Thank you. [2:31:35, 2:31:36]: comment section. [2:31:37, 2:31:38]: Okay. [2:31:40, 2:31:42]: You need to take all that. [2:31:46, 2:31:47]: Yeah. [2:31:58, 2:32:13]: Let me ask um just a question for you. Um this the the one that we're voting on now is just for the church and then the next one is for the townhouses. That's correct. Yes, this is just the conditional use for the church itself. Okay. [2:32:20, 2:32:27]: Yeah. You do. Go ahead. Go ahead. [2:32:29, 2:32:30]: What it [2:32:31, 2:32:37]: Think he was trying to say something. I don't know if he can still say something. He was wanting to say something. The minister was wanting to say something. Is it over or? [2:32:39, 2:32:41]: Yeah, wouldn't I? [2:32:42, 2:32:50]: Okay. May I have a motion for item ten, conditional use permit? [2:32:51, 2:32:53]: I make a motion um [2:32:54, 2:33:01]: For the conditional use permit uh for the the place of worship at seven thirteen Valley Hero Road with the two um [2:33:01, 2:33:12]: conditions um to clear the area um that had the overgrowth and to meet with the residents before the um the next uh city council meeting on the twelfth. [2:33:15, 2:33:16]: Yeah, second. [2:33:18, 2:33:18]: Okay. [2:33:19, 2:33:20]: Go ahead. Yes. [2:33:23, 2:33:31]: Conditions that are already um proposed by staff with the additional two that you're adding? Yes. And um and I want to also include the [2:33:31, 2:33:33]: the conditions that the staff um [2:33:34, 2:33:39]: Recommended as well. So there will be a total of five conditions. [2:33:40, 2:33:40]: Thank you. [2:33:42, 2:34:00]: And I have a second from Mr. Doomis. I second, yes. It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the soye. Aye. Those opposed? Ayes have it. The amendment is uh approved with the stipulated conditions. [2:34:01, 2:34:18]: Um item eleven, comprehensive plan amendment case number CP 2023-01. Consideration for requests for a comprehensive plan amendment to assign future land use designation of the of high density residential to parcel 029. [2:34:19, 2:34:26]: Uh zero one zero zero nine zero zero one on Valley Hill Road to allow for the construction of a townhouse development. [2:34:26, 2:34:30]: The applicant is Victory Wishop Center, represented by Keith G. Nation. [2:34:31, 2:34:39]: The property is located in Land Lide 103, District 12, and it contains 7.864 plus or minus acres in Stockbridge, city limits. [2:34:42, 2:35:02]: Uh yes, I'd like to clarify that of the two parcels, the conditional use permit was for the eastern parcel only, uh seven thirteen Valley Hill Road. Um now we're going to these these next three cases are exclusively for the western uh parcel. Um [2:35:01, 2:35:21]: And that is parcel number 029, hyphen 0100-9001. The applicant needed to separate the two parcels or have two separate parcels for a couple of reasons. One, the um for federal tax. [2:35:21, 2:35:37]: Tax purposes, um a church cannot receive tax uh um exemption if there are other types of uses on the property other than residential. So could not have the townhomes on the same property. [2:35:39, 2:35:40]: Um [2:35:41, 2:35:46]: And also the um townhomes portion needed to be rezoned. [2:35:46, 2:35:51]: um to appropriate use so could not be on the keep the same zoning. [2:35:52, 2:36:01]: So now I'm gonna talk with in this case and the next two uh about the town home proposal. Uh we've covered a lot of this material already. Um [2:36:04, 2:36:07]: Let me scroll down here. So [2:36:08, 2:36:13]: The applicant is seeking to rezone the property uh or to assign [2:36:13, 2:36:16]: to assign the um [2:36:17, 2:36:21]: Well, to rezone, but actually this case right now is for the comprehensive plan amendment. [2:36:22, 2:36:22]: Um [2:36:23, 2:36:27]: Applicant is seeking the high density residential category. [2:36:27, 2:36:32]: Now the category of high density residential is a little bit misleading. [2:36:33, 2:36:52]: The way that our current comprehensive plan is set up, anything that is more than three point six units per acre automatically gets put into the high density residential category. So applicant proposes to build uh seven point one two acres uh units per acre. [2:36:59, 2:37:00]: Okay. [2:37:01, 2:37:12]: So I've covered a lot of this about the the details of the development. Again, it's gonna be fifty-six um units. Property has about seven and a half acres. [2:37:16, 2:37:21]: So we looked at the the consistency with the comprehensive plan and we feel that it [2:37:21, 2:37:24]: High density residential would be consistent. [2:37:24, 2:37:28]: uh because town home development is a permissible use [2:37:28, 2:37:29]: And [2:37:29, 2:37:35]: Uh multifamily is also identified as being compatible on page forty five of the comprehensive plan. [2:37:36, 2:37:50]: The seven point one two units per acre is an allowable density range. The high density of six units to sixteen units per acre, that's high density residential. So this falls within that range. [2:37:51, 2:37:56]: Um as I mentioned before we had at the last council meeting um [2:37:57, 2:38:04]: Approval for another town home development to the south at five seven six uh Davis Davis Road. [2:38:04, 2:38:08]: for multifamily and high density residential. [2:38:11, 2:38:31]: The Comprehensive Plan Amendment would do a few other things. It would promote housing policies identified by the comprehensive plan, offering a variety of housing choices, mixture of housing options to attract young professionals and singles to the area, preserve older enhanced neighborhoods, promote rehabilitation. [2:38:31, 2:38:36]: of existing housing stock and revitalize established neighborhoods. [2:38:36, 2:38:40]: Um we feel that the location would be suitable. [2:38:40, 2:38:43]: Uh it's a reasonable size. It's on a major collector road. [2:38:44, 2:38:49]: And um I mentioned the other development on Davis Road already approved. [2:38:49, 2:38:59]: Although the subject property could be used for low density residential use, there's been little interest in that in recent years, so it's unknown whether there's any [2:38:59, 2:39:03]: um, demand for that type of use at this time. [2:39:03, 2:39:06]: Uh staff recommends that this uh be approved. [2:39:07, 2:39:09]: And approve with a condition. [2:39:09, 2:39:16]: um that the uh rezoning that's to come next also uh be approved at the same time. [2:39:30, 2:39:32]: Applicant like to speak on that. [2:39:36, 2:39:37]: Alles half om daar. [2:39:37, 2:39:40]: I think I've said that. [2:39:46, 2:39:47]: A comment from [2:39:51, 2:39:52]: I have a motion. [2:39:54, 2:39:56]: Yeah, maybe we're ready to open it up before we uh [2:39:59, 2:40:05]: Sorry about that. Um public comment. Those support or oppose this, um [2:40:06, 2:40:06]: Amendment. [2:40:09, 2:40:13]: We have anybody who supports or oppose the amendment from the public. [2:40:17, 2:40:20]: Hearing none, the public comment is the section is closed. [2:40:25, 2:40:26]: We have to move it. [2:40:27, 2:40:34]: I just wanted to ask a question. Can um can we put this that one of the conditions is that it has to have an HOA? Can you do that? [2:40:38, 2:40:54]: I don't know if that's we can't do that. Let me let me say this. If it's if it's if it's a sort of thing you have to have major first, you gotta have somebody to manage the public aspect of the property. So he hadn't said that. He said he done town of it. [2:40:54, 2:40:54]: Mm-hmm. [2:40:55, 2:41:04]: So I maybe I'm gonna need some changes. So Okay, you're saying we can't Okay. She said legally we can't do that. She said leg [2:41:06, 2:41:07]: What [2:41:09, 2:41:29]: D what was the answer? I I can barely see you. So we can't necessarily require a homeowners association. Um we can ask the applicant if they're going to utilize either fee simple. We can get a e a final answer on whether they're going to be fee simple. [2:41:29, 2:41:33]: town homes or if they're going to be for rent? [2:41:33, 2:41:52]: That's if if that's the question. And and say that one more time. Can you get right up to the I said that you can ask the applicant whether the properties are going to be for as fee simple townhomes, which means they will be on a for sale basis or for rent. Okay. But we could not stipulate that in the zoning condition. Okay. [2:41:56, 2:42:04]: She standed up. [2:42:10, 2:42:18]: Is our um public hearing still open at this time or are we closed? We are closed. I think she should go ahead and speak. [2:42:18, 2:42:21]: I didn't know it was closed. [2:42:21, 2:42:31]: I didn't know it was closed. I just have a question. That's all right. I I was wondering if what we had said uh previously about the church with all the concerns that we had about the um [2:42:31, 2:42:37]: buffering and the s in the road, you know, being a potential accident. [2:42:37, 2:42:48]: um zone. Um can those things be put onto this one or do we need to express our concerns for each individual thing that's um addressed? [2:42:49, 2:42:53]: Лайк воде за вита вот the first one. [2:42:54, 2:42:57]: It applies to this. Do we have to say all that again for the next one? [2:42:57, 2:43:01]: No. Carried over. No? No, no, no more. I just wanted to make sure. [2:43:02, 2:43:03]: Yeah. [2:43:03, 2:43:06]: I just had one question for the um [2:43:06, 2:43:19]: the minister. Um you had made the comment earlier that um you found out that that's that's the only thing you could do was um use it for townhouses. Um I just wanted you to clarify the point that you had made. [2:43:20, 2:43:40]: Well, as I said earlier, we initially uh had considered building uh condos. But when we came to came into Stockbridge city limits, uh we were informed that based on the the the kind of zoning that we want to uh have, the best use. [2:43:39, 2:43:47]: zoning was the one that we're now applying for. And that's why we then opted to go with the townhouses. Okay then [2:43:49, 2:43:49]: Okay. [2:43:54, 2:43:55]: I have a motion. [2:43:57, 2:43:59]: I make your motion correct. [2:44:04, 2:44:06]: We are on [2:44:06, 2:44:12]: number of the micro? Correct. Okay. Um so I make a motion to move. [2:44:14, 2:44:20]: I make a motion to uh move forward with the high density residential to parcel zero two nine. [2:44:20, 2:44:24]: Dash zero one hundred nine zero zero one [2:44:25, 2:44:29]: excuse me, on Valley Hill Road, um to include the recommendations by the city. [2:44:29, 2:44:42]: And um to include the citizens' concerns um by having a meeting with the citizens before um the twelfth and um again to c uh c clear out any overgrowth in that area. [2:44:44, 2:44:45]: Yeah, second. [2:44:46, 2:44:48]: Move to flash on with the second. [2:44:49, 2:45:03]: It's been moved and second. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Aye. The ayes have it and the uh uh amendment will go forward with the conditions stipulated. [2:45:06, 2:45:26]: If I may, um Chairman, the conditions are typically um this is for the comprehensive plan, so we can add those conditions if you're more comfortable on the rezoning that's coming next. Um instead of on the comprehensive plan amendment. Okay. So we need to amend the motion to uh exclude the [2:45:26, 2:45:30]: Conditions and apply them to the um [2:45:31, 2:45:51]: Okay, so I'll amend the motion to exclude the condition so that we can apply them to the next one. To the rezoning. So then there is one condition for this one, and it just states that the applicants requested rezoning of the subject property to assign to multiple family residential zoning district to the subject property via RZ. [2:45:51, 2:46:03]: C das two zero two three dash zero one is approved before or simultaneously with the approval of CP dash two oh two three dash zero one. That was the condition that came with the report. [2:46:06, 2:46:16]: Okay. So do we need to do it all over? Okay. So I make amen an amendment um to move forward with the high density residential to the parcel zero two nine. [2:46:16, 2:46:25]: zero one hundred nine zero zero one on Valley Hill Road to include the um the condition with that the city has recommended. [2:46:32, 2:46:39]: We moved to a second by Mrs. I I think we've approved it already with those amendments. Okay. [2:46:39, 2:46:43]: Item twelve, rezoning case number RZ two zero two three. [2:46:46, 2:46:51]: Yes we do, yeah, Mr. Plachard. It's an amended motion, so we'll need to have a second and then a vote. [2:46:53, 2:46:58]: Um motion has been made by um [2:47:00, 2:47:11]: Ms. Nelson. Kathleen. Uh Nelson. The second as um with the amendments. Mr. Plachan. [2:47:13, 2:47:33]: Mr. Boshan seconds. It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed, ayes have it. The amendment is carried. Um We have a three-one vote, it appears? No. Right. I stand aye for those. Okay, so oh we have a four okay to vote. No, no. I oppose. [2:47:33, 2:47:41]: Opposed. So we have to oppose it three one versus one. Three one. Thank you. With uh Mr. Dumas as a um opposer. [2:47:48, 2:47:50]: Go on to item. [2:47:50, 2:47:51]: Well [2:47:57, 2:48:17]: Rezoning case number RZ2023-1. Consideration of a request for rezoning to assign the multifamily residential zoning district to parcel number 029-01009001 on Valley Hill Road to allow for the consideration of a town. [2:48:17, 2:48:23]: House Development. The applicant is Victory Worship Center, represented by Keith G. Nation. [2:48:23, 2:48:29]: The property is located in land lot one hundred three district twelve and it contains seven point one eight [2:48:29, 2:48:32]: Seven point eight six four plus or minus acres. [2:48:33, 2:48:35]: within the Stockbridge city limits. [2:48:38, 2:48:53]: This is a proposed zoning to the MFR district multifamily residential. The current zoning of the property uh does not allow townhomes, thus the necessity to apply for the rezoning. Um [2:48:55, 2:49:05]: So part of the analysis for the rezoning is there are nine criteria, one of which is consistency with the comprehensive plan. I've actually just [2:49:05, 2:49:06]: Uh covered most of that. [2:49:07, 2:49:16]: It has appropriate uh townhomes are appropriate or permissible use under the MFR uh zoning as well as the comprehensive plan. [2:49:16, 2:49:20]: uh designation of high density residential [2:49:20, 2:49:31]: Um we discussed the density already and the fact that this would be compatible with um compar comprehensive plans. Um [2:49:31, 2:49:34]: Recommendations on housing goals and policies. [2:49:37, 2:49:51]: Um as far as carrying out the ability purpose and ability of this zoning code, um MFR districts should be located on collector or arterial streets and Valley Hill Road is classified as a major collect collector street. [2:49:52, 2:49:54]: positive effects on the area. Um [2:49:54, 2:49:58]: This would offer alternative type of housing, carrying out the [2:49:58, 2:50:02]: Comprehensive plan goal of encouraging higher density development. [2:50:02, 2:50:03]: Um [2:50:04, 2:50:05]: And [2:50:06, 2:50:09]: The site would be фізико фізикally suitable. [2:50:09, 2:50:23]: Uh no accesses would be provided to or from adjacent properties and adequate buffering would be uh provided, so therefore there should not be many adverse eva impacts on adjacent properties. [2:50:24, 2:50:44]: As far as utility impacts on water and sewer infrastructure, the applicant submitted a letter from obtained a letter from Clayton County Water Authority. There is a 24-inch water main and an eight-inch sanitary sewer main along Valley Hill Road and Project Wayne. [2:50:44, 2:50:51]: Wastewater would be treated at the North East Clayton facility, um, basically right across the street. [2:50:51, 2:50:59]: uh the developer though would have to construct all water and sewage facilities um and extensions to meet the authorities standards. [2:51:03, 2:51:12]: impacts on traffic. Um there's not been a big this is a small development, so traffic study was n not uh completed. Um [2:51:13, 2:51:23]: The s site could be developed as it's currently zoned, but again, w there's not been any interest shown in that uh type of development in recent years. [2:51:24, 2:51:28]: We conclude that the proposed uh rezoning would be acceptable. [2:51:29, 2:51:49]: The condition upon approval of a comprehensive plan amendment, which you just recommended approval for, and the variance case coming next to be discussed, and the site plan that was submitted, or a very similar one. So those are the three conditions recommended for approval. [2:51:48, 2:51:49]: Approval. [2:51:55, 2:51:57]: Applicant have any comments? [2:52:01, 2:52:02]: Public [2:52:03, 2:52:04]: Those in support. [2:52:05, 2:52:07]: Those opposed. [2:52:08, 2:52:09]: I've got one. [2:52:09, 2:52:12]: Quick. Can we still s [2:52:15, 2:52:35]: Just real quick and this is all I got to say. Nobody said anything about the gas compression station right across the street from them. We just went to Williams. There's a uh natural gas uh compressor station right across the street from where they wanted to build the townhomes. We went met with Williams the other day, they upgrading it. [2:52:35, 2:52:40]: They put more compressors in there. They said there may be a little bit more [2:52:40, 2:52:44]: Noise and vibrations. So when they build their town homes. [2:52:46, 2:52:48]: And the the town homes are vibrating. [2:52:49, 2:52:51]: You can't hear yourself think. [2:52:52, 2:52:56]: We live farther away from them, and I'm sure our house is built a lot better than these town homes are gonna be. [2:52:57, 2:52:58]: But when those people move in [2:52:59, 2:53:01]: And their house is vibrating. [2:53:01, 2:53:02]: Ours vibrates. [2:53:02, 2:53:05]: There's just gonna be right across when their house is vibrating. [2:53:06, 2:53:09]: And they can't hear their self think or watch T V and hear the T V without [2:53:10, 2:53:11]: Doing this. [2:53:11, 2:53:13]: I hope they go over there and they can talk to them, say [2:53:14, 2:53:15]: How did y'all let this happen? [2:53:16, 2:53:20]: And y'all zoning people said, Well the people moving in there should do uh due diligence. [2:53:20, 2:53:21]: And check it out. [2:53:22, 2:53:24]: And make sure you know what's over here. [2:53:25, 2:53:27]: Most people are not gonna do that. [2:53:28, 2:53:28]: Until. [2:53:29, 2:53:33]: And I hope the people that are building these townhomes are there to answer. [2:53:34, 2:53:35]: to the people that do move in. [2:53:36, 2:53:38]: Uh, because I'm I probably won't be living there. [2:53:39, 2:53:41]: But I'm gonna come to them and say we brought this up to them. [2:53:42, 2:53:44]: The gas plant was there first. [2:53:44, 2:53:47]: When your house is vibrating and you can't hear yourself think. [2:53:48, 2:53:49]: We just met with them. [2:53:50, 2:53:53]: We just met with them and they're fixing to increase it. [2:53:53, 2:53:54]: Ništa [2:53:55, 2:53:56]: It's gonna be terrible over there. [2:53:57, 2:54:00]: But that's a decision those people are gonna have to make when they buy those town homes. [2:54:01, 2:54:03]: But they gonna have to live with it. [2:54:03, 2:54:04]: Thank you. [2:54:08, 2:54:28]: I'm Richard Cook and I live at 312 Grove Hill. Uh and I do not live on the street that the uh townhouses are going back up to. But what I would wish is that before the decisions are made, that someone really goes out there. [2:54:28, 2:54:45]: and looks at Valley Hill. Earlier Donna was saying how the you know the hill you go up is hilly, it's it there's a hill and then there's a downhill, curve, and then another uphill. [2:54:46, 2:55:06]: And the only way you're gonna understand it is to actually go s look at it. I just don't see how one house, there was a one house driveway there. One house, that's probably okay. Even they're not safe. But I can I can't imagine a bunch of cars coming. [2:55:06, 2:55:26]: Coming out of there, there is no flat place. It's not a flat place like they're saying, it's a hill. And uh if you're going toward publics in Stockbridge and coming back, it's even more hills before you get to where they're wanting to do this driveway. [2:55:26, 2:55:46]: I'm just saying it's a very dangerous road there. People fly through there all the time. They start at the at the at the red light on uh up at the church that's there now, and they just zoom through there. And and I know [2:55:46, 2:56:06]: I know we have a better police force now, but you know you can't catch all of it. They'd like to go, they like to speed through there, go over those hills and that curve, and I don't tell you how many I've seen in the ditch at the bottom of that hill, that that that hill there. [2:56:06, 2:56:26]: in between. So I would just say that I would would hope that someone in charge of making decisions would go out there and examine that road before they make a decision. Or or maybe even put the driveway somewhere else, I don't know. [2:56:26, 2:56:28]: But there's not much of a place to put it. [2:56:29, 2:56:30]: That's all. [2:56:31, 2:56:33]: Thank you. You're welcome. [2:56:43, 2:56:44]: Where is he going? [2:56:48, 2:56:50]: Open for couple to public comment. [2:56:53, 2:56:54]: But it's [2:56:54, 2:56:57]: All those in support, opposed. [2:56:59, 2:57:02]: Hearing none, public comment is closed. [2:57:04, 2:57:05]: Have a motion. [2:57:15, 2:57:16]: Oh no, I mean. [2:57:22, 2:57:23]: Go ahead. [2:57:25, 2:57:36]: I'll go ahead and present a motion on rezoning case uh number RZ two zero two three dash zero one. [2:57:37, 2:57:40]: Consideration request for rezoning to signal. [2:57:40, 2:58:00]: The MFR Multifamily Residential Zoning District, parcel number 029-01009001 on Valley Hill Road to allow for construction of a town home development. [2:58:01, 2:58:21]: The applicant is a Victory Worship Center represented by Keith G Nation and the property is located in the land lot one oh three of District twelve and it's contains seven point eight six four plus or minus eight. [2:58:21, 2:58:25]: acreage within the city of Stockbridge City Limit. [2:58:26, 2:58:26]: Mm-hmm. [2:58:31, 2:58:32]: Is there a second? [2:58:33, 2:58:40]: I just wanted to clarify, do you mean um with the three conditions that the city had the city had three conditions on this? [2:58:40, 2:58:43]: What is the motion exactly? [2:58:43, 2:58:47]: To approve to approve and to deny the rezone case. [2:58:51, 2:58:55]: Number R Z two Zero Two Three Dash Zero One. [2:58:58, 2:59:00]: So the city had three conditions. [2:59:01, 2:59:08]: Yeah, the city has to be conditioned. You include you incorporate notes, correct? I I didn't incorporate'em. [2:59:14, 2:59:26]: The city has uh three conditions to that, that'd be comprehension plan amendment. Also uh the city has a variance and the city has site plan. [2:59:28, 2:59:45]: You want me to read'em all? No, no, you I just say this is include those very those conditions. And then the the meeting the meeting. I should then and the meeting that they're gonna have with the public. And then here we should say. Include the meeting that they're gonna have with the public. [2:59:45, 2:59:55]: Uh also including the meeting that uh they should have with the uh neighbors in the area where the property is gonna be developed. [2:59:56, 2:59:58]: And clean up the surrounding area. [2:59:59, 3:00:06]: And the surrounding areas. Cleaning up cutting the grass. Also cleaning up and cutting the grass on the property. [3:00:09, 3:00:10]: I second the motion. [3:00:11, 3:00:20]: Been moved and seconded. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed? Aye. Ayes have it. We got uh Mr. Dooms, are you explaining? [3:00:20, 3:00:28]: No. I said I I posed. You pose. Yes. Three to one. Audience yes. Three to one. Okay. [3:00:29, 3:00:35]: Item thirteen, variance case number VR two three dash one. [3:00:36, 3:00:39]: Consideration of a request for a variance for parcel zero two nine. [3:00:40, 3:00:46]: zero one zero zero nine zero zero one on Valley Hill Road to allow for this construction of a townhouse development. [3:00:46, 3:00:52]: The purpose of the variance is to allow the reduction of the front yard setbacks from the required fifty feet to twenty five feet. [3:00:53, 3:00:59]: In the uh multifamily residential zoning district. The property is located in the land lot one oh three on [3:00:59, 3:01:07]: Landlot 103 of District 12, and it contains 7.864 plus or minus acres within the Stockbridge city limits. [3:01:10, 3:01:28]: This is a re a variance request to purpose is to reduce the required front yard setbacks of the individual townhome units from fifty feet to twenty-five feet. Um [3:01:32, 3:01:35]: There are several uh criteria for consideration. [3:01:39, 3:01:46]: So there's set seven requ required criteria from section ten point one point two of the Unified Development Code. [3:01:47, 3:02:04]: So criterion A, whether the subject property has extraordinary and exceptional physical characteristics compared to other properties of the same uh zoning district. So I mentioned before unbuildable area at the front of the property where they it's a low area and that's where they're gonna put a detention pond that um [3:02:05, 3:02:25]: Uh limit some of the area of the property that they could build on, so they've had to make make the lot smaller to accommodate that and to create a reasonable site plan. Criterion B: whether literal interpretation of UDC would deprive applicant of rights that are commonly enjoyed by owners of other properties. [3:02:25, 3:02:38]: properties the same district, uh yes, the applicant uh may be deprived of that ability uh to have lots that are similar size to those of others that are found in other MFR districts. [3:02:42, 3:02:50]: Criterion C whether requested variants would give a property owner any special privileges that are denied to other property owners in the same zoning district. [3:02:51, 3:02:54]: No special privileges would be given to the property owner. [3:02:54, 3:02:55]: And [3:02:55, 3:02:59]: The denial of the variants would force the developer to comply with the standards. [3:02:59, 3:03:02]: Which would create an unfair, necessary hardship. [3:03:02, 3:03:04]: Uh due to the properties [3:03:04, 3:03:07]: difficult physical characteristics. [3:03:07, 3:03:11]: Criterion D whether variants would be consistent with the purposes and intent of the UDC. [3:03:12, 3:03:25]: uh whether it be compatible with neighboring uses and whether it would serve the public interest variants would be consistent with the purpose of the UT UDC by encouraging the most appropriate use of land and buildings on the subject property. [3:03:27, 3:03:34]: Um, the variants would allow development of a property in a mostly residential area, which has had little development activity in recent years. [3:03:35, 3:03:39]: And it would be compatible with other existing residential uses in the area. [3:03:40, 3:03:50]: Criterion E, whether extraordinary circumstances are not a result of the actions of the applicant, well no, the physical conditions of the property are not created by the applicant. [3:03:50, 3:03:55]: yet they're limiting the applicant's ability to develop the property into a reasonable use. [3:03:59, 3:04:05]: Criterion F whether the variance is the minimum relief that would allow the legal use of land [3:04:06, 3:04:14]: uh as I said before, developer could build still build a townhome development without the variance, but would be cons significantly constrained. [3:04:15, 3:04:17]: In doing so, creating a site plan. [3:04:17, 3:04:21]: to allow sufficient number of units to be economically feasible. [3:04:21, 3:04:35]: Criterion G, the variance is not a request to permit a use of land, buildings, or structures such as prohibited in this zoning district. Townhomes are a permitted use within the proposed MFR district. [3:04:36, 3:04:38]: Staff concludes that this [3:04:38, 3:04:41]: Variant's request would be reasonable and acceptable and [3:04:41, 3:04:54]: And therefore recommends uh approval with conditions again based on the previous uh approvals of the previous cases, the comprehensive plan amendment, the rezoning, as well as the site plan that has been presented. [3:05:01, 3:05:03]: Comments from the applicant. [3:05:05, 3:05:05]: I'm sorry. [3:05:09, 3:05:11]: No comment? No comment. [3:05:12, 3:05:14]: Right, open up for public comment. [3:05:15, 3:05:22]: Those in support. Pardon me? Okay, no problem, no problem. [3:05:24, 3:05:25]: Pardon me? [3:05:31, 3:05:33]: Yeah, it's a front yard. [3:05:35, 3:05:55]: It it would be uh internally with the lots uh on the interior interior of the property. The applicant wants to build a looped street on the interior and then the town home units would be uh facing that street and so um so the setbacks would be reduced from [3:05:54, 3:05:58]: From the interior street, not from the outside of the property. [3:06:03, 3:06:18]: I'm sorry, for for anyone speaking in public hearing, point of order, we need to have people either come to the mic or direct the questions um either to to the council or the planning commission at this time, um, so that we can understand and keep it for the record if you don't mind. [3:06:18, 3:06:19]: Thank you. [3:06:23, 3:06:32]: So if we're opening up for public hearing, then this would be that time if the council if the commission is willing to do that at this time. [3:06:32, 3:06:34]: Open it up for public comment. [3:06:35, 3:06:47]: What what is the distance between the townhouses and the the houses on Valley Hill, the back of their houses? What is the footage between you have any idea what that is? [3:06:53, 3:06:55]: The footage between [3:06:57, 3:07:01]: Are you speaking of the west side of the property? The rear the rears of the property? [3:07:02, 3:07:07]: The house the houses that are on the street on Valley Dale. [3:07:09, 3:07:25]: The townhouses are backing up to those houses. How much distance is between those houses backyard and the back yard of those townhouses? It's fifty feet. I'm looking at the site plan here. [3:07:35, 3:07:38]: Sir, please state your name and address for the record, please. [3:07:39, 3:07:57]: My name is Oji I'm Degu, I'm the architect of this uh property. Uh you are asking a question about that distance. Can you come over here? No, no, no, no, let's answer the question. You don't have to you know Oh, it's fifty feet from the from the property line to the area of the townhouse. [3:07:58, 3:08:13]: fifty feet yeah to the backyards. Correct correct. The townhouses, the backyard to the back townhouses. Yeah. That's a great provision. Yes. [3:08:13, 3:08:19]: Yeah, they g they have to be a fence on the property lines. Are you live do you live on the opposite side? [3:08:20, 3:08:20]: Yeah. [3:08:22, 3:08:42]: So it has nothing to impact your own facility. Yeah. It will only affect the people within this side of the property. From their own property line is fifty feet. That's along a very distant space. Okay. Okay? Okay. All right. Any other question? [3:08:42, 3:08:43]: No. [3:08:43, 3:08:44]: Thank you. [3:08:50, 3:09:07]: I believe it doesn't. Chairman, can I take time? Go ahead. Go ahead. I just wanted to strongly encourage the public um when they set up the meeting to let your neighbors know and just, you know, bring all your your concerns and if you want them to explain anything or go over anything, I think that'd be a really good time to just get all your questions and concerns answered. [3:09:10, 3:09:14]: That being the case, I think at this point public comment is closed. [3:09:18, 3:09:19]: Uh entertain a motion. [3:09:20, 3:09:31]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchon. I'd like to make a motion that we accept the variance and all of the conditions have already been met. So And I and Harold will second it. [3:09:33, 3:09:40]: Alright, this has been moved in second. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed? Aye. [3:09:41, 3:09:41]: Three to one. [3:09:43, 3:09:52]: Three to one. We have one uh post. Okay. Next item on the agenda is project update. [3:09:53, 3:09:55]: There are no project updates tonight. Yes. [3:09:58, 3:10:00]: Staff comments. [3:10:01, 3:10:03]: Chairman, there are no um additional staff comments. [3:10:04, 3:10:06]: Board comics. [3:10:10, 3:10:13]: There appears to be no board comments, motion to adjourn. [3:10:13, 3:10:33]: I make a motion to adjourn tonight's meeting. Been moved and second. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed? You're not abstaining. Ayes have it. [3:10:33, 3:10:35]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

--- title: Special Called Meeting date: 2023-05-18 source: 2023-05-18_Special_Called_Meeting.wav --- [0:02:41, 0:02:44]: [165.6, 168.9]: Yeah, well I'm there for a minute. [0:02:49, 0:03:00]: Madam Clerk, you you ready? Yes, sir. Okay. All right, ladies and gentlemen. I'm gonna call the special call meeting to order. This is uh Thursday, May 18th, and I have uh six oh two. [0:03:01, 0:03:05]: And uh could you please stand for the invocation, Mr. Blount, please? [0:03:08, 0:03:09]: We have the gracious father who comes to you. [0:03:10, 0:03:30]: This day, Heavenly Father. Just remembering those, Heavenly Father, that have gone, and we just praise God for the families of those that are that are still here. We thank you, God, for this uh elected body that is here, that you will continue to keep us and cover us. Let us make decisions that are pleasing in your sight. Let us continue to move the city forward, Heavenly Father. Allow those that are duty. [0:03:30, 0:03:41]: to do the thing that they need to do. Heavenly Father, allow it to happen. Heavenly Father, we're going to stand by and legislate. And this city, Heavenly Father, we victory for those that are willing to serve. It's in Jesus' name we pray. Amen. [0:03:42, 0:03:54]: Okay, pledge allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the Republic which stands under nation, under God, indivisible liberty and justice for all. [0:03:55, 0:03:56]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:04:01, 0:04:09]: Mayor Ford? Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Blant. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. [0:04:10, 0:04:30]: That the record reflect councilman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Thomas. Therefore, do you have a call? Thank you, Madam Clerk. Um Council, I need a motion to amend the agenda to remove item number two. That item will be heard by the city council at the May 30th work session meeting. So move. Mr. Blount, so move. Is there a second? [0:04:31, 0:04:33]: Uh Mr. Thomas Second, all in favor please indicate. [0:04:35, 0:04:42]: Okay, it's unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Now I need a motion to adopt the remaining part of our uh agenda, which would be one item. [0:04:42, 0:04:47]: So move. Mr. Blount, so move. There's a second. Second. Mr. Alexander second. Dad. All in favor, please indicate. [0:04:47, 0:05:00]: Shenancy season, thank you very much. So we're gonna talk new business here, council consideration to approve the two thousand twenty three, two thousand twenty four liability insurance policy for the city. Uh Mr. Gardner, I imagine you have lead on this, sir. [0:05:12, 0:05:13]: How you doing, sir? [0:05:15, 0:05:30]: Connected with the other roof insurance risk monitoring consultant. They're here to present our insurance for 2023-2024. And with that, I mean [0:05:33, 0:05:36]: Mike's not on? Gotcha. There we go. Here we go. Thank you. [0:05:36, 0:05:42]: Thank you. Uh once again, um tonight we have uh Gallica Risk Insurance. Um [0:05:42, 0:05:59]: with us consulting to here to present to you uh risk insurance for twenty twenty three-two twenty four. Um with that I'm gonna call uh Mr. Matt Simmons up um here to give a presentation um and Mr. Daniel Dirkak on uh risk insurance for twenty twenty three-twenty twenty four. [0:06:00, 0:06:01]: Welcome gentlemen. [0:06:03, 0:06:23]: Uh thank you very much, Mr. Gardner. Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor and uh members of the council. Uh my name is Matt Simmons. Um I am the director of Gallagher's public sector practice uh in Georgia. Um with me today is uh uh a partner of mine, Daniel Duhart, with uh Janice Asset Management Strategies Group. I'll let him introduce himself. So good evening, everyone. Appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. [0:06:23, 0:06:28]: you all today. As he said, my name is Daniel Duhart. I'm the head of risk management with Genesis [0:06:28, 0:06:47]: Yes. So uh good evening everyone. I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you all. My name is Daniel Duhart. I am the head of risk management with Genesis Asset Management Strategies Group. We're an insurance brokerage firm that's local here to the Henry County area. As Matt alluded to, we partner with Gallagher to provide insurance and risk management services for the public entities that we work with. [0:06:48, 0:07:03]: Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Um so uh this evening, um uh I I believe everybody was provided with uh what we refer to as our executive summary, which is meant to be a board ready document, um, to give you a uh simple overview. Um I hope to be uh uh [0:07:04, 0:07:24]: Succinct but efficient in uh in explaining um this evening. Um what I've provided in here is um somewhat as this being our first time meeting, um somewhat of an overview of Gallagher and what um kind of what was talked with uh with Mr. Gardner, Miss Williams uh when they brought us on board as your uh partner um to give you an idea of who we are. [0:07:24, 0:07:32]: are talk about the renewal, talking about some of the stuff we're gonna be doing, um, Azure partner, and um and and and wrap it up with that. So if you can uh [0:07:32, 0:07:34]: Open up um [0:07:34, 0:07:54]: uh to to um I guess really page two but page one just quick overview of Gallagher. Um we are um one of the top uh insurance brokerage firms in the world. Um we have um uh our our local office here is in Atlanta. We're also the largest uh uh broker of governmental risks in the United States. [0:07:54, 0:08:14]: So we work with uh local governments throughout the country. Um if you flip to the uh following page, page two is just a quick overview of um some of our clients to show you that you know this is, you know, we work with a lot of your peers, um, city of Hapeville, um, city of Locust Grove. Uh just [0:08:14, 0:08:28]: just down the road. Um uh uh City of Dublin, Valdasta, Roswell, Canton, um, just to name a few um of the uh clients that we work with. Um and this is just an overview of of who we are. Um [0:08:28, 0:08:48]: The next page, and please feel free to stop me at any point if anybody has any questions. Next page is just an overview of the team. Obviously, myself and uh Mr. Doohart are here um leading for the city of Stockbridge, but to show you that we have an entire support staff um uh to provide for you, um to provide uh support to Ms. Williams, Mr. Gardner. [0:08:48, 0:09:08]: Um the uh uh fourth page is just a quick overview of of why we're here, Gallagher's approach. Um we focus on what we call total cost of risk, and that's not just what your insurance premiums are, but what you're paying out in deductibles, what you have from contractual risk standpoint, and how are you managing cleaners? [0:09:08, 0:09:22]: claims, how are you managing risk? And it's a real methodical approach to uh working with you. So our goal with the city of Stockbridge will be to um elevate risk management and uh provide a lot of great service and uh resource to you. [0:09:23, 0:09:25]: Um [0:09:25, 0:09:45]: Page five is a little more detail about that. Of one of the things that we're going to do over the next year and hopefully several years is work towards improving the risk profile in City Stockbridge. You're already a very well-run city, but there are a lot of things that we can do to help improve experience for you. Page six, and a lot of this I'm [0:09:45, 0:09:52]: I'm not gonna like to not go through it all, is a is kind of a sample plan of what we're gonna do, talk about how we're gonna impact things. [0:09:52, 0:09:59]: Buy what we call cost driver um and provide service and support and resource to the city. [0:10:00, 0:10:15]: You know, some of the things on here just talk about benchmarking against other municipalities, making sure you've got appropriate coverages, making sure your premiums are appropriate, your deductibles, um, identifying opportunities for uh different consulting and um risk management uh strategies. [0:10:16, 0:10:36]: Um if you move to page seven, uh this is where we'll get into the meat of it now. Just a quick overview of the insurance marketplace. There are several things that are impacting renewals these days. Um social inflation, uh climate change is having a massive impact on property risks, um, and cyber is obviously an ever-growing uh issue out there. [0:10:36, 0:10:53]: So what we've seen is we've seen a real driving this year, what's called a hardening market, really driving costs up for a lot of municipalities, um, for local governments. Um everything from property to law enforcement to cyber, we've we've seen been seeing significant increases. Um I can read through it all, but if you need to uh [0:10:53, 0:10:57]: Yeah, help going to sleep tonight. It's great reading for you. Um [0:10:58, 0:11:18]: Page eight is a snapshot from our Gallagher Drive uh benchmarking platform. This shows renewal rate trends. We show this to help um uh provide color to the renewal you receive each year of you know, how are you stacking up against the marketplace? When we're seeing that, you know, last quarter the average rating. [0:11:18, 0:11:28]: increase was around fourteen point four percent. Um so that kind of gives you an idea and if you look through it you can see that we've just been seeing increases every quarter for the past two years. [0:11:29, 0:11:34]: You have a question? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Please please interrupt me. I know I'm kinda rolling through. Yes, sir. [0:11:35, 0:11:50]: This has been going over with with the city manager and our finance department. Yes. Already. Yes. So you're just giving us what you believe. Oh no y yes, sir. Yes, sir. My my purpose was to introduce us and make sure that you you y I was giving you all the information. Would you like for me to jump straight to it? [0:11:51, 0:12:11]: No, I'm just No, no. Remember, I I I only interrupted to say that uh I mean with the circumstances at hand, uh I just wanna make sure that we're just being an overview of what they already should be. Oh absolutely, yes sir. No, I I I I wanted to uh uh offer the respect of letting you know who's the new guy who are the new guys standing in front of you. [0:12:11, 0:12:15]: Um so that you feel comfortable with us i in this partnership. Right. [0:12:15, 0:12:20]: So continue on with your presentation. Yes, sir. Um page nine is really where we talk about. [0:12:20, 0:12:40]: Um page nine is uh is the renewal for um uh for the uh city of stockbridge this year. What I show here is um a breakdown, a comparison breakdown with some analytics built in. Um our recommendation this year is uh that you renew with um travelers um and Beasley as your cyber insurance. [0:12:40, 0:13:00]: Carrier. We also approached the Georgia Municipal Association for the Gurma program. There's information on that on the following page. But actually, in discussions with um with Gurma, their costs were significantly higher. I won't go into the story about reinsurance costs, but we identified that the best course of action this year is reinsurance. [0:13:00, 0:13:20]: Renew with travelers. Um, there are two options on here for your consideration: um, terrorism sabotage and active shooter coverage. Um, these are additional coverages that we uh recommend to our public entities to provide um additional coverage in the event of um such such a uh um uh such an event. [0:13:20, 0:13:20]: Yeah. [0:13:22, 0:13:42]: Um but uh when we boil it all down, um we actually got a really good renewal um from travelers this year for you. Um I showed you on the previous page the average last quarter was about fourteen, fourteen and a half percent. Um we see way down kind of at the bottom over to the right, you're looking at a net rate increase of about eleven point three percent. Um one [0:13:42, 0:14:02]: One of the things driving your increase this year is the addition of the police department uh that you had uh mid year last year. Um so all of those law enforcement officers are now being rated in. They weren't previously, so they're now rated in here. So that's where you're seeing really kind of a significant increase um and you'll see that by line item of the premium. [0:14:02, 0:14:10]: Um adding in the police department, but now ensuring that we have that, you know, proper coverage and everything in there in place for them. Um [0:14:11, 0:14:31]: The I have a question. I I have a question. Yes, sir, Ms. Mayor. I should know the answer to this, but let me the terrorists and cyber security and active shooter coverage now that you're proposing now, it wasn't active previously in the business. No sir. So what you've been buying previously is something called the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act of 2002, TRIA, um obviously passed after nine eleven. [0:14:31, 0:14:51]: Um it requires a lot of um several uh triggers to come into play um that narrows the scope and the uh narrows the scope of when it actually will prov um can provide coverage, takes uh federal certification as a certified act of terrorism. Um we recommend a a broad form terrorism policy on the property. [0:14:51, 0:15:06]: Casualty is is fine, but on your property, so that you don't have to have anything rise to the level of certification by the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, Secretary of Homeland, excuse me, Secretary of State, Attorney General, Secretary of Homeland Security to certify for a certified act of terrorism. [0:15:07, 0:15:09]: disallows that um [0:15:10, 0:15:30]: In the event that somebody comes um to City Hall, to the police department, to a uh municipal building um with a uh with intent to uh influence um or uh create fear for a government of the United States um that this can respond for your property coverage because it's not [0:15:30, 0:15:50]: It's actually terrorism is actually excluded in property. It all this all came after 9-11. Um so it's actually excluded in your property. It's carved back with the TRIA program, but we have not seen that respond um in the past. So we recommend, and this is part of our expertise at Gallagher, we recommend [0:15:50, 0:16:10]: A broader opportunity, broader coverage, so that in the event you were to have an active threat of violence that impacted the property, that we're able to provide coverage for the property on that. The active shooter is more vague. [0:16:09, 0:16:29]: Uh we refer to it as a soft cost coverage. It's includes crisis management coverage, um uh uh counseling uh coverage, so that if there were a uh an act of workplace violence, there's an opportunity. If there's counseling needed for uh employees, um there's coverage uh in place for that. Things that are not in your current program. Okay. Um [0:16:29, 0:16:49]: So this is kind of part of I think why we were brought in is identifying these areas of either gaps or uninsured exposures. Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you. Yes, sir. But as I mentioned, what you'll see, you know, your bit your largest area of increase is really from that uh law enforcement. Um everything else, there's a lot of as you'll see. [0:16:49, 0:16:56]: See, you know, the way I break it down on the in the yellow columns is you have your exposure increase, your premium increase, and then your net rate. [0:16:57, 0:17:17]: Your exposures, you have more vehicles this year, so it costs more. So we try to show give you a a a better explanation of hey, why is our insurance up? Well, we have more employees, we have more officers, we have more uh vehicles, um, we have more buildings. But that way we can break it down and show you kind of from a net perspective how that increase is impacted. So [0:17:17, 0:17:20]: You've actually received a very strong renewal this year from travelers. [0:17:21, 0:17:21]: Okay. [0:17:21, 0:17:22]: Um [0:17:23, 0:17:24]: Yes ma'am. Yeah go ahead, Ms. Barber. [0:17:24, 0:17:30]: I had a question in regards to um the reduction in the net rate change. [0:17:30, 0:17:32]: For the general liability. [0:17:33, 0:17:33]: Um [0:17:34, 0:17:35]: What is this? The umbrella. [0:17:36, 0:17:39]: I'm looking at all the ones that have the negative. [0:17:39, 0:17:40]: Including the [0:17:41, 0:17:42]: Crime. [0:17:43, 0:17:48]: All the ones with the negative or reduction in the net rate change. Can you explain that? [0:17:48, 0:18:08]: No, absolutely. So again, when we look at that exposure increase, um, you know, your budget increased um you know, you were looking at um about a 20% increase on the budget. So it kind of outweighed the premium increase. That's could what the way this breaks out is you look at we subtract um the premium. [0:18:08, 0:18:28]: Premium in we subtract the exposure increase from the premium increase to get to that net rate number. So sometimes, you know, your rate went up, but not as much as the exposure went up, if that makes sense. Um the umbrella has it actually has a very specific story to it. So on the general liability, it's just that your rates did not increase at the same level at which [0:18:28, 0:18:34]: which the budget did, the exposure increased. So that's how you end up with a negative rate change on that. [0:18:34, 0:18:37]: Um, does that answer on the general liability? [0:18:38, 0:18:58]: I understand the general liability. All right. So on the on the umbrella. Um, the reason you're seeing the reduction on the umbrella is actually we made a change to that. We pulled your auto liability out of the umbrella. The reason for that is that um there are strong immunities in the state of Georgia, um, strong sovereign immunities for state torts, auto liability. [0:18:58, 0:19:09]: is has has strong state court tort caps at 500 and 750. Um when you im when you purchase insurance and and I'll try not to get too granular on this. [0:19:10, 0:19:15]: Immunity is in place for local governments in the state of Georgia, or i for all local governments. [0:19:16, 0:19:20]: You waive immunity up to the level which insurance is purchased. [0:19:20, 0:19:22]: Um so [0:19:22, 0:19:42]: What you had previously is$5 million worth of coverage in your auto liability. But there is immunity tort caps in place for you. But by purchasing the higher limits, you actually have the ability for a claim to increase into those lay in that excess layer. We really focus on placing them. [0:19:42, 0:20:02]: Umbrella coverage in there for federal torts, things that are not covered by immunity, civil rights violations, employment practices. These are areas where that they're actually federal, federal tort level, so that there is no immunity for it. So the focus here is one of the things that Mr. [0:20:02, 0:20:20]: Gardner, when we sat down um in our initial meeting and I asked, you know, what do we, you know, what you know, what is your goal? Um one of his uh responses was to make sure we're buying the right insurance, but not buying too much insurance. And this is one of those areas where to protect the budget. [0:20:20, 0:20:24]: And to protect your experience, we move that piece out. [0:20:24, 0:20:27]: Релай на і ви коло іммуні презерваш. [0:20:28, 0:20:47]: So we l rely on the immunity preservation of the state tort caps for you. And so by taking that exposure out out of that, travelers gives you a reduction because they no longer are concerned about having to pay up to that level. So that's that's why you have it there. Um and um [0:20:47, 0:20:58]: Does that answer the umbrella for you, ma'am? Yes, thank you. Um and on the crime, again, yeah, you got you increased employees. You just your rate did not exceed the the increase in exposure. [0:20:58, 0:20:59]: Um [0:21:00, 0:21:03]: It does. Thank you. Okay, yes, ma'am. [0:21:03, 0:21:23]: Um so when we come down, as I mentioned, we see a really strong renewal um based on what we're seeing in the marketplace, especially with local governments, at an 11.3% net rate increase. Um, again, with a couple of tweaks in there. Um, and uh, we think this is a is a very strong option for you. Um [0:21:23, 0:21:28]: Um along with recommended coverages. Um any other questions uh about that? [0:21:31, 0:21:32]: No other questions thus far. [0:21:32, 0:21:52]: Okay. Um everything else in here, um, I did provide because we did approach um the uh the municipal association for an option. The next page is is just a comparison of travelers over over uh over Gurma, over the Georgia Internal Risk Management Agency. Um as I mentioned when I when working with uh the GMA, we kind of came [0:21:52, 0:22:09]: to the conclusion that based on some of the costs that they're that that were being incurred that to get to the appropriate limits that you're purchasing that it could be it it would not be cost competitive for you. But that was just I want to provide this as a as an example as an overview of that for you. [0:22:09, 0:22:29]: And then the rest of the presentation um in front of you is just again um an overview of some of the things that we have available uh to the city stock bridge. We have access to a lot of um risk control trainings and resources for you, um site uh uh safety assessments, um gap analyses that are available to you in addition. [0:22:29, 0:22:49]: to um an online training platform and um uh some efforts that we do for uh contractual risk um consulting to ensure that when you are contracting with vendors you have proper insurance requirements in place to protect the city, but also to make sure that risk transfers are properly leveraging your immunities, but also indemnifying you where applicable. [0:22:49, 0:22:54]: Okay. Yes sir. [0:22:55, 0:23:15]: Uh for me and I don't know about my colleagues because uh if they've all gone over this and the recommendation is travelers. Yes, sir. And at at this point is either we're gonna I I would like to make the motion if you if if my colleagues are okay with it because at this point there's everything has been solidified through staff that has already [0:23:15, 0:23:17]: looked over. So I'd like to make a motion to approve it. [0:23:17, 0:23:23]: Sir. Okay, is there a second in the motion? Um let me do this. Let me just ask one question of our good [0:23:23, 0:23:36]: Then certainly I'll be willing to move on. Talk about our level claim level and where we are, how that impacted what we're doing and how we're are we looking in terms of those um [0:23:36, 0:23:45]: You actually have a fantastic loss experience thus far. Um looking at the five-year loss history. Um, like I I think I mentioned at the beginning, it's a very well-run city. [0:23:45, 0:24:05]: Um uh you guys are you know, your your your staff is doing a wonderful job. Um you have uh very good uh lost experience. Your uh everything on your increase, a lot of times we have lost experience is what drives the renewal up. Um everything for you is either exposure or insurance market driven. Like I mentioned, there are some [0:24:05, 0:24:23]: certain things law enforcement liability is one of those areas that we're seeing significant increases in rates because of the exposures, because of I mean you turn on the TV we can see um that that line of business is increasing significantly. Um within your general liability um that's where um [0:24:23, 0:24:24]: Um [0:24:24, 0:24:44]: you know, some of the uh um, you know, abuse areas are that again we're s you you you've seen increases in. Property goes uh is going up because, you know, greater convective storms, um, there's more rain. Um, it's having an impact in the property in the property market. I mean, the hurricanes coming, you know, through the coast, it's just they're [0:24:44, 0:25:02]: there there are external factors that are impacting your risks. And cyber is up because cyber exposure is up everywhere. Um so that's what we're seeing there. But your loss experience is is thus far fantastic. Um I mean there are losses, but when I benchmark you against other municipalities, this is a this is a very well run city. [0:25:02, 0:25:22]: Okay. Thank you so much. That really answers my question that the city is uh the risk are being managed pretty well uh by the city and that has not increased our exposure on the at all. Yes, sir, no absolutely. And and one of the reasons again why I wanted to present as much as I did um for y'all is that it [0:25:22, 0:25:42]: It is the reason why they brought us in to assist in continuing that trend and providing more resources. And then again you mentioned the the additional coverage because of the police services and then those federal issues that may not be uh indemnified will be a reason for the extra coverage because of the other. [0:25:42, 0:25:55]: Um I'm not gonna use the full terminology, but uh Georgia has overtaken um as the number one uh judicial um [0:25:56, 0:25:56]: Uh [0:25:57, 0:26:17]: Nightmare, I'm gonna use the term. Um I can use the standard term um in public form like this. Um so we we are seeing increases in um what we call nuclear verdicts. Um there are higher jury awards going out, and so our goal is to, as I mentioned up front, um, with our core three sixty approach is to focus on total cost of risk. [0:26:17, 0:26:37]: Make sure that we have you properly insured, not overinsured, not underinsured, but properly insured based on what we see in leveraging with Gallagher being, you know, having data on, I think the numbers around 10,000 public entities throughout the country, being able to really benchmark you against others and make sure you're buying the appropriate coverage based on based on that, based on the [0:26:37, 0:26:57]: Real data analytics. Okay. Ms. Up motion made by Mr. Blount, second by Mr. Alexander. There's no further discussion. All in favor, please indicate unanimous decision. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thanks for having us and thank you for the partnership. Okay, great. And on that note, ladies and gentlemen, there's uh I know of no executive session item. So [0:26:57, 0:27:03]: I ask for a motion to adjourn. Okay. Okay. From uh Blount to Alexander, all in favor, please indicate. [0:27:04, 0:27:06]: Unice decision. Good night, everybody. God bless you.

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2023-05-08 source: 2023-05-08_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:02:09, 0:02:17]: There we go. All right. All right, ladies and gentlemen. Uh this is the uh actual ceremonial portion of our eighth May. [0:02:17, 0:02:25]: Council meeting. We have several different proclamations that I will be reading this evening. The first one deals with professional municipal clerks week. [0:02:25, 0:02:32]: Whereas the office of professional municipal clerk, a time honored and vital part of local government, exists throughout the world. [0:02:33, 0:02:47]: And the Office of Professional Municipal Clerk is the oldest among public servants. And whereas the Office of Professional Municipal Clerk provides a professional link between the citizens, the local governing bodies, and agencies of government at other levels. [0:02:48, 0:02:53]: Whereas professional municipal clerks have pledged to be either mi ever mindful of their neutrality [0:02:54, 0:02:57]: and impartiality rendering equal service to all. [0:02:57, 0:03:03]: Whereas a professional municipal clerk serves as an information center on functions of local government and community. [0:03:03, 0:03:08]: Whereas professional municipal clerks continually strive to improve the administration [0:03:08, 0:03:16]: Of the affairs of the Office of Professional Municipal Clerk through participation in educational programs, seminars, workshops, and the annual meeting of their state. [0:03:17, 0:03:31]: provisional, coun county and international profit uh professional organizations, whereas in the most appropriate that they recognize for the accomplishments of the office of professional municipal clerk. Now therefore I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority, invested in me as a mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, [0:03:32, 0:03:35]: Now on behalf of city council members Elton Alexander, Delonda Barber, [0:03:35, 0:03:40]: John Blount, the KesiGantt, and the Fons of Thomas do hereby recognize a week of April thirtieth. [0:03:40, 0:03:56]: twenty twenty three through May sixth, twenty twenty three, as Professional Municipal Clerks Week, and further extend appreciation to our Professional Municipal Clerk Office team and all the professional municipal clerks for the vital services they perform and their excellent exclamation sermon. Ooh gosh. [0:03:57, 0:04:16]: Okay, a symbolator dedication to the communities they represent. It's a humdinger, right? And whereas therefore I have here unto set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and on the eighth day of May of the year of our Lord 2023, and I signed this along with our clerk for that's a holiday. Yes. Yes. [0:04:17, 0:04:37]: Is that correct? Mayor, I would ask that you present this to our deputy city clerk. Okay. Okay, there you go. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Fantastic. And we also have one for our other team member, Shari Lane. Okay. Thank you very much. [0:04:37, 0:04:41]: Right, did you want to hear any additional comments? [0:04:42, 0:04:49]: Thank you. All right. Yeah. You'll be fine. You want to go? Okay, I'll come on the back. [0:04:50, 0:04:57]: Shipped over this wizard? Okay. Yeah. Shipped over. Everybody should tell me I think you guys [0:05:05, 0:05:12]: Congratulations. All right. Thank you for watching. Thank you. [0:05:13, 0:05:14]: Congratulations, ladies. [0:05:15, 0:05:20]: All right. So what we have next is actually the public service recognition week. [0:05:20, 0:05:24]: And this for this proclamation. And uh the two of you, yes. [0:05:24, 0:05:25]: Okay. [0:05:26, 0:05:35]: Our two police are this is public service. You're public service. Police officers are public service. Come on, gentlemen. Randy. But isn't this oh okay. I'm sorry. [0:05:36, 0:05:37]: Excuse me? [0:05:38, 0:05:40]: I'm hard to hear. Okay. [0:05:44, 0:05:46]: Oh well he they will once this is done. [0:05:46, 0:05:47]: No problem. [0:05:47, 0:06:07]: Tim, why don't you come on up this side? Okay, there you go. Okay, there you go. Public Service Recognition Week. Whereas the concept of public service was first introduced in the U.S. Constitution in 1787. And whereas every year since 1985, the first week in May, has been set aside as Public Service Recognition Week, a time to thank a dedicated public service for. [0:06:07, 0:06:26]: From federal, state, local, and governments across the country. Whereas during Public Service Recognition Week, we express our gratitude to our nation's civil servants for their dedication to mission service stewardship. These members of our federal, state, and local government workforces deliver results for the American people, often without a claim. [0:06:26, 0:06:30]: Whereas each day millions of government employees serve their um fellow citizens [0:06:30, 0:06:50]: And we as a nation recognize the valuable role that they play in our communities. From the law enforcement officers, which we have two with among us right now, those who work in education, health care, transportation, and other public service careers, civil servants ensure government workers works for the American people. Now therefore I, Anthony S. Ford by virtual authority vested in me as the mayor of the city of the city. [0:06:50, 0:07:10]: Stockbridge, Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members Elton Alexander, Londa Barber, John Blount, Lakeisha Gann, and Fonsel Thomas, to hereby recognize May 7th to 13th, 2023 as a public service recognition week in the great city of Stockbridge. Thank you for your service to the citizens and businesses of Stockbridge. And witness thereof, I have hereunto set my hand. [0:07:10, 0:07:19]: the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the eighth day of May of the Year of Our Lord, two thousand twenty three, and I signed this along with our clerk for Nelson Holiday. [0:07:21, 0:07:41]: Come on over, gentlemen. All right. All right. Okay. There you go. And uh we got shift. Okay. And now, do you gentlemen have anything you want to say? Um we're great to be here. Glad to be here. [0:07:40, 0:07:41]: Yeah. [0:07:42, 0:07:57]: So to provide the service that we do for the citizens of Stark Bridge. And we're just happy to be here and serve every day. Okay, fantastic. I said group for that. If you shift over this way, please we don't want that. [0:08:02, 0:08:05]: We might have to double up or something like this, only two wide. [0:08:06, 0:08:15]: Yeah, yeah. Some maybe some people come across. She's got to this way. [0:08:20, 0:08:29]: Okay there we go. Come out Tom here. Come out this way. Okay, yeah, come out this way. [0:08:40, 0:08:46]: Thank you. All right. Good deal. [0:08:47, 0:08:48]: Okay. [0:09:08, 0:09:14]: So our next proclamation is going to be the Southern Crescent chapter, Natural Women of Achievement Incorporated. [0:09:14, 0:09:18]: So come on up as we uh read this for you. [0:09:20, 0:09:20]: Thank you. [0:09:38, 0:09:58]: Glad to see you, Janet. Okay. Southern Crescent chapter of National Women of Achievement Incorporated, whereas National Women of Achievement Incorporated award scholarships to assist graduating high school students with tuition, fees, or books, etc. Scholarship recipients are selected based on their academic record, student written essays, letters of recommendation, leadership skills. [0:09:58, 0:10:18]: Community service participation and extracurricular activities. Whereas the National Women of Achievement encourages youth through our scholarship program and recognize outstanding community leaders through our annual profiles of prominence. And whereas the Southern Crescent Chapter of National Women of Achievement Incorporated is charged to expand organizational program quote program. [0:10:18, 0:10:19]: Progmatic. [0:10:20, 0:10:40]: Boundaries and the National Women of Achievement incorporated as an affective service organization by utilizing the individual and collective strengths of all achievers and by partnering with businesses, educational, religious, governmental, and service communities outside the realm reams of National Women of Achievement incorporated to affect change. And whereas Dr. Darling [0:10:40, 0:11:00]: Ruffin Alexander is a charter member of the Atlanta Midtown Chapter, NWOA Incorporated, and currently chairs as parliamentarian. Dr. Darlene Ruffin Alexander was named Vice President of the Health Services, managed full continuation of care and served as a CEO, served as a volunteer administrator, and has distinction of being the first African American. [0:11:00, 0:11:19]: African American to lead the shared leadership in major head uh health care companies and recognized by her peers as a dean of long-term care. Now therefore I, Anthony S. Four, by virtue of authority, vested me as the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members Elton, Alexander, Londa Barber, John Blount, Lukeesia Gantt and Afonso Thomas, [0:11:19, 0:11:23]: Do hereby recognize you, Doctor Ruffin Alexander in the Southern Crescent chapter. [0:11:23, 0:11:43]: National Women of Achievement Incorporated for some surmountable laboring in the uh vineyard and years of civic leadership. In witness thereof, I have here hereunto set my hand to the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the eighth day of May, year of Alord, 2023, and I signed the proclamation along with Vanessa. [0:11:43, 0:12:03]: Holiday. Congratulations. She also received the um Lifetime Achievement Award on last Saturday. Okay. So yeah. Fantastic. Fantastic. Let's get photo. Congratulations. I think we need to scoot a little bit this way. Do you want to say any words, sir? No. [0:12:03, 0:12:10]: Okay, yeah okay. Okay. [0:12:11, 0:12:13]: Thank you. [0:12:21, 0:12:25]: Congratulations. Congratulations. [0:12:26, 0:12:28]: Uh well, whatever you'd like to do here. [0:12:38, 0:12:40]: I think it allows too so we could shoot. [0:12:52, 0:12:54]: Yeah, you have to come over here, please. [0:12:59, 0:13:02]: Okay. The microphones. Oh goodness. [0:13:03, 0:13:07]: I got a big mouth, y'all can hear me. Go right ahead, please. Okay. [0:13:07, 0:13:15]: I am Sharon Daniels Mosley. I'm the president of Southern Crescent Chapter, National Women of Achievement Incorporated. [0:13:15, 0:13:30]: A proud citizen of Stockbridge. Each year, Southern Crescent honors individuals who turn out in their stand out in their service to their community and is being noticed by others that they don't even know they're being noticed by. [0:13:31, 0:13:38]: They are busy completing their assignments without an agenda and receive in and doesn't receive any credit. [0:13:38, 0:13:42]: This is Mayor Anthony Ford. He shows up in the [0:13:42, 0:13:44]: Least likely places [0:13:44, 0:13:44]: Like [0:13:45, 0:13:46]: The community guard. [0:13:46, 0:13:49]: He's working, he takes his assignment to heart. [0:13:50, 0:13:51]: And he works with his community. [0:13:52, 0:13:53]: He is the people's mayor. [0:13:54, 0:13:55]: And we thank you. [0:13:56, 0:13:58]: For being an [0:13:58, 0:14:05]: Not just an ordinary human being but an astronaut ordinary. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. [0:14:06, 0:14:16]: Thank you. This this is what it looks like. Thank you. I appreciate that. I'll I'll put this in my office by the way. I will hold you down. [0:14:21, 0:14:41]: Congratulations. Thank you very much. Let me put this down here for right now. Okay. Okay. Mental Health Awareness Month. The next proclamation. I do not know if anybody's here for that to receive that proclamation, but I will read it. Okay? Mental health. Mental health. [0:14:41, 0:14:43]: No, no, no. [0:14:43, 0:14:47]: You have someone who's here coming foot? [0:14:49, 0:15:04]: All right. All right. So we'll go to the next one there. The next one would be at uh hopefully that individual get here shortly. The next one will be the Na uh National Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Islander Heritage Month. I don't know anybody here. [0:15:04, 0:15:11]: Well I'm gonna run out run out of space here in a minute. I'm gonna go run out of space in a minute. See if we keep okay. Uh [0:15:13, 0:15:15]: Yeah, I think we are a little bit ahead. Okay. [0:15:16, 0:15:26]: Can I do this one now? Well said. Okay. Small business. No, no, no, no. That's not small business. National Motorcycle Safety Awareness Month. I individuals wanna come for four four forward for that? Okay. [0:15:32, 0:15:33]: She she's coming? [0:15:36, 0:15:56]: Okay, come on, please. I don't saw you earlier. That's all right. This is a family thing. Proclamation once again, National Motorcycle Safety Awareness Month. Whereas May is uh Motorcycle Safety Awareness Month and the NHTSA reminds vehicle drivers and motorcycles. [0:15:56, 0:16:16]: Motorists that save driving and riding practices or and cooperation from all road users will help reduce the number of fatalities and injuries on our nation's highways. And whereas motorcycles are some of the most vulnerable drivers on the road by the nature of their choice of vehicle, motorcycles are smaller and easier to miss. They move quickly and can [0:16:16, 0:16:36]: Blend into the pavement so there are much higher risk of being in an accident. And whereas this May, the U.S. Department of Transportation's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, NHTSA, is teaming up with Brock's performance to remind all motorists of motorcyclist safety and everyone's safety. Is everyone's safe? [0:16:36, 0:16:36]: Five. [0:16:36, 0:16:40]: May is Motorcycle Safety Awareness Month and at the end of May users [0:16:41, 0:16:46]: uh us uh ushers, I'm sorry, in the unofficial start of the summer and road travel season. [0:16:46, 0:16:54]: Safe riding and driving practices and cooperation from all road users will help reduce the number of fatalities and injuries on our nation's highways. [0:16:55, 0:17:15]: And where safe driving and riding practices from all road users, drivers and riders alike will help reduce the number of fatalities and injuries on our nation's highways. Motor vehicle drivers and motorcyclists should keep the following tips in mind when on the road. Observe all traffic laws and always obey the speed limit. Drive and ride. [0:17:15, 0:17:35]: Alcohol and drug-free, avoid distractions that place other road users at risk, yield to motorcyclists, especially while turning in intersections, where high visibility personnel protected gear and DOT compliant motorcycle motorcycle helmets. Now, therefore, I Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority best than me. [0:17:34, 0:17:36]: as a mayor city of Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:17:37, 0:17:47]: And on behalf of City Council members Elton Alexander, Ilana Barber, John Blount, Lakeese Gantt and Afonso Thomas, do hereby proclaim May 2023 as Motorcyclist Safety Awareness Month. [0:17:47, 0:18:07]: We can we call upon motorcycle riders to commit the safe driving and riding and to our role of ensuring a safe motorcycle riding environment. In witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand on the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the eighth day of May year of my Lord, two thousand and twenty three, and I signed a proclamation with my clerk for Nessa Holiday. [0:18:11, 0:18:12]: Congratulations. [0:18:12, 0:18:15]: Any words, sir, that you wanna say? [0:18:16, 0:18:20]: We appreciate it and we really need to be looked out for'cause the stock greezy is dangerous. [0:18:23, 0:18:34]: In reference to motorcyclist. [0:18:38, 0:18:39]: Yeah. [0:18:51, 0:19:08]: Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate you as well. That's mine. I need that. Okay. Huh? It's in the photos. Can you put it? I think it's in the phone. It's in a p really bright photo when I'm taking a picture of Angor. Okay. All right, sir, I'll put it over there. [0:19:11, 0:19:17]: I didn't realize I'm thinking about I appreciate it. All right, so [0:19:20, 0:19:27]: So I have National Mental Health Awareness Month. There was someone scheduled. [0:19:27, 0:19:32]: And then and then we have uh national eight business. Well I don't have I don't have a small business right here in front of me. [0:19:34, 0:19:35]: No I don't have it here. [0:19:36, 0:19:38]: I don't I don't know what's over there with you or anywhere else. [0:19:39, 0:19:40]: It's not right it's not right here. [0:19:43, 0:19:45]: It's I don't have it up right here either. [0:19:50, 0:19:52]: A phone is still down on your desk. [0:19:54, 0:20:00]: Okay. I uh I think I gave'em all to Okay, well, okay, so be it. [0:20:01, 0:20:21]: Which one is it? Uh Natural Day National Day of Prayer. I'll go I'll do this one because you're saying that there's somebody else waiting to to receive these other two. And then there's a small business ones, then there's uh the Pure Zion. I mean uh Asian American Pacific and then mental health. Those two of Asian American Pacific Islander and then uh [0:20:21, 0:20:25]: And there's someone to receive that with you. Yes, and mental health. They're both in round. [0:20:26, 0:20:41]: Okay. So right down this is a national day of prayer. Now I actually uh we'll do this again today. We did this on the uh Thursday, the fourth of May. Uh Mr. Blount uh had a that's an em that's you know this always give me thank you so much. Okay. [0:20:44, 0:20:49]: We did this the other day, so we will do this again and put it on record. Uh, for you, sir. [0:20:51, 0:21:02]: Okay. Now's the day of prayer. Whereas throughout history Americans have lifted up fervent prayers to God on behalf of our nation from the first gathering of our founding fathers, elected officials [0:21:03, 0:21:08]: Have prayed and entreated those that serve and represent to join them in prayer. [0:21:08, 0:21:17]: Whereas the National Day of Prayer that we know today was founded in 1952 and it was co-founded uh co-founded effort between the United States Congress and President Harry S. Trum Truman. [0:21:18, 0:21:25]: Whereas this year's theme prayed fervently in righteousness and and vell march veil much, excuse me. [0:21:25, 0:21:45]: Is based on the verses of James 5:16b. The effective and fervent prayer of righteousness men avails much. And whereas on National Day of Prayer, people of different faiths are invited to pray for the United States of America and its leaders. And whereas every Thursday of May on National Day of Prayer, we not only express our faith and exercise [0:21:45, 0:21:46]: [1306.8, 1312.9]: But unite our hearts and voices in personal prayer and public gatherings throughout our city and across America. [0:21:53, 0:22:06]: with fervent praise, repentance, love, and humble intercession for our neighbor and nation, holding fast to the promises throughout the Holy Scriptures that the Lord hears and avails much as he answers the faith filled prayers of his people. [0:22:06, 0:22:19]: Now therefore I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority, vested in me as the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and on behalf of City Council members Elton Alexander, Alonda Barber, John Blount, Nikesi Gann, and Alphonso Thomas, to hereby proclaim May fourth, twenty twenty three, [0:22:19, 0:22:39]: As a national air of prayer in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia, we invite the citizens of our beloved community to give thanks in accordance with their own faith and consciousness, consciousness, for many freedoms and blessings, spiritual guidance, mercy, and protection. A witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand to the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:22:39, 0:22:50]: I eighth May uh on the eighth day of May in the year of our Lord 2023 and I signed this along with our uh Clerk Vanessa holiday. [0:22:51, 0:22:52]: The m the mice over here. [0:22:54, 0:22:55]: Well I'm just [0:22:56, 0:23:11]: I'm just gonna speak briefly. I just think that uh I think I speak for all of my council members. I believe we all believe in prayer and I just believe that once we all come on one accord that things can be achieved and uh I think the city for recognize the National Day of Prayer. [0:23:11, 0:23:16]: Fantastic. Okay. You need to go. Okay. [0:23:17, 0:23:18]: I hear. [0:23:24, 0:23:28]: Thank you. Okay. All right. So [0:23:28, 0:23:37]: This is the most proclamations ever done in one city. I would I know that's a fac that's a fac. That's a now this you you you can have it, sir. [0:23:37, 0:23:46]: Yeah, two uh yeah, two we have two more left here. And uh actually I think we're waiting on three. Uh actually three. [0:23:48, 0:23:48]: So [0:23:49, 0:23:55]: We have our guest here for a small business, she's already here sitting at uh preachy getting peachy. [0:24:02, 0:24:11]: And I need some more water because of all the talking, right? And enunciation of words that throw me a loop, but [0:24:11, 0:24:31]: Yeah, the clerk had put out a schedule with like a time on it, so I kinda told them kind of different times that she gave on the schedule and I think small business ones were like some of them were like five forty five, five, right. [0:24:31, 0:24:34]: Writing probably turn off the back. [0:27:15, 0:27:16]: All right. [0:27:18, 0:27:26]: Mike, it's on. It's on. How are you doing, sir? Good fine. Good. Mr. Jenkins, Stark Ridge resident, mental health professional. Yes, sir. [0:27:27, 0:27:32]: Okay, we'll continue on w with our ceremonial process here for proclamation. National Mental Health Awareness Month. [0:27:33, 0:27:44]: Whereas the area of someone lives and plays a significant role in their overall health and well-being, whereas surroundings can impact if, how, and when a person needs are met, which in turn affects mental health. [0:27:44, 0:28:04]: Whereas having safe, stable, and healthy home conditions set the foundation for achieving and maintaining good mental health. Whereas with early and effective interventions, those individuals with mental health conditions can recover and lead full, productive lives. Whereas each business, school, government, agency, health care provider, organization, and citizen shares the burden of [0:28:04, 0:28:15]: burden of mental health problems and has the responsibility to promote mental health, mental wellness and support prevention efforts. Now therefore I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtual authority investing in me, as a mayor of City Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:28:15, 0:28:22]: On behalf of City Council members Elton Alexander, Ilana Barber, John Blount, Lukees again, and Alfonso Thomas do hereby proclaim [0:28:22, 0:28:40]: May twenty twenty three is Mental Health Awareness Month and call upon citizens, us citizens, government agencies, public and private institutions, businesses and schools and starboards to recommit our community to increasing awareness and understanding of mental health, the steps our citizens can take to prevent their mental health [0:28:40, 0:28:59]: and the need for appropriate and accessible services for all people with mental health conditions. And witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand on the great seal of the city Stockbridge, Georgia, on the eighth day of May of the year of our Lord, two thousand twenty three, and assigned a proclamation along with our clerk Vanessa Holliday. Sir thank you very much. Thank you. [0:29:01, 0:29:21]: Yes, sir. Uh I appreciate the recognition. Uh as an LPC. I know that there's a need for a lot of uh counseling and maybe in the city of Stockbridge we'd have some more uh resources and partner with our law enforcement union officers to make sure that uh we get like the services at the jail and in other areas and in our public schools too. I think that mental health [0:29:21, 0:29:31]: It should be as essential as physical health. So it should be a normal part of our services here at the city of Stockwells. Thank you very much. [0:29:31, 0:29:51]: Uh also the the the city of Stockbridge just implemented a mental health component good to uh r uh processing resolutions with people with mental health with the police department. Good, good, good, good. Thank you. Okay, so we need to take a picture right down here. And she's also a therapist. Outstanding. Yeah. All right. Good deal. Come on and shift in. [0:29:51, 0:29:52]: Oh too. [0:29:53, 0:29:56]: We've got some connections here. We gotta get everywhere. [0:29:56, 0:30:02]: Okay, so that's before that one? Okay. That came too far. [0:30:02, 0:30:05]: Shift up in the center, the seal. [0:30:14, 0:30:21]: Thank you. Congratulations to you, sir. Thank you for making it on the last minute. [0:30:23, 0:30:27]: Absolutely. [0:30:30, 0:30:37]: I would imagine that you may be here to receive a proclamation. Okay. Come on up, please. [0:30:39, 0:30:59]: And you can come with your family as well. They can c they're more than welcome to come. Come on over here, please. All right. This is nothing our next proclamation deals with national Asian, American and Pacific Islander. [0:30:58, 0:31:18]: Heritage Month. Whereas as Asian Americans and Pacific Islander Heritage Month is a month to celebrate and pay tribute to the contributions of Asian Pacific Americans to our American history, society, and culture. Whereas the month of May has chosen because it commemorates the immigration of first Japanese residents in the United States in 1843. In addition, May [0:31:18, 0:31:38]: Also marks the completion of the Transcontinental Railroad in 1869, which was built with the labor of mostly Chinese immigrants. And whereas Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders are leaders in all aspects of American life, including government and industry, science and medicine, the arts and armed forces, and education and sports are critical to our future success. [0:31:38, 0:31:58]: And whereas 24 million people in the United States identify as Asian, with 1.6 million identifying as native Hawaiian, Pacific Islander, or a combination. These diverse communities have enriched this country and generations. And whereas during the month of May, we encourage everyone to reflect on Asian American resilience, particularly against the alarming rise of hate crimes. [0:31:58, 0:32:05]: Have seen in recent years. Now, therefore, I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority, vested in me as the mayor city of Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:32:05, 0:32:25]: On behalf of City Council members Elton Alexander, Yolanda Barber, John Blount, Nakisa Gantt and Afonso Thomas, do hereby proclaim May 2023 as Asian American and Islander Heritage Month. We call upon the people of Stockbridge Community to learn more about the history of Asian Americans, Native Hawaiians, Pacific Islanders, and to observe this month with an appropriate program. [0:32:25, 0:32:38]: programs and activities, and witness thereof I have here unto set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the eighth day of May of the year of our Lord, two thousand twenty three, and I signed the proclamation along with our cleric Vanessa holiday. [0:32:41, 0:32:59]: Any comments that you'd like to make? No, I really appreciate the acknowledgement of this month and appreciate being here today. Thank you. Okay. I'll stand. Appreciate it. Keep using a scent. I'll stand. Keep getting a scent. Okay. If I could say a few words, it'll be right. [0:33:00, 0:33:04]: Excuse me, as a response to the I think I'd like to say a few words. Okay, sure. [0:33:05, 0:33:09]: Okay, [0:33:16, 0:33:21]: This is on it. [0:38:46, 0:38:47]: So [0:42:08, 0:42:15]: So we are doing what we can to recognize all the great work you can do. [0:42:16, 0:42:18]: We got uh [0:42:37, 0:42:43]: I think appreciate it. Okay, now I have um I have one more last proclamation to read. [0:42:43, 0:42:51]: Oh, what's the one? [0:42:51, 0:42:55]: Last proclamation tonight will be Teachers Appreciation Week. [0:42:56, 0:43:05]: Whereas whereas teachers mold future citizens through guidance and education, whereas teachers encounter students of widely differing backgrounds. [0:43:06, 0:43:26]: Whereas our county's future depends on providing quality education to all students. Whereas teachers spend countless hours preparing lessons, elevating progress, counseling, and coaching students, and performing community service. Whereas the community recognizes and supports its teachers and educating children in the community. Now, therefore, I am Anthony Sword by Virtual Authority Vestor Maine, the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:43:26, 0:43:46]: On behalf of city council members, Elton Alzandry, Yelanda Barber, John Blount, Keysha Gantt and Afons of Thomas do hereby proclaim the week of 8th May to uh 12 May 2023 as teaching appreciation week in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. A witness thereof I have here unto set my hand the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the eighth day of May of the year of our Lord, 2023. [0:43:45, 0:43:49]: and I signed the proclamation along with the clerk Vanessa Holiday. [0:43:49, 0:43:52]: I'm gonna get hand with you, sir, at this point, okay? [0:43:55, 0:43:57]: You want you want any words, no? [0:43:59, 0:44:12]: Um I just wanna say that uh I have a daughter that's my oldest daughter is a school teacher. Uh she writes curriculum for uh KIP Academy and she just got promoted to assistant person. Fantastic. [0:44:14, 0:44:15]: And call us. [0:44:25, 0:44:29]: Yeah, okay. All right. [0:44:31, 0:44:36]: And it looks like we'll be starting the meeting roughly uh twelve minutes from now. [0:53:18, 0:53:18]: [3264.3, 3265.9]: [0:54:54, 0:54:55]: Mm. [0:55:15, 0:55:16]: Mm. [0:55:24, 0:55:26]: [3370.7, 3371.4]: [0:58:04, 0:58:07]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna get started with a meaning, please. [0:58:22, 0:58:38]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I have uh six oh one and I'd like to call the city council meeting for Monday, eighth of may twenty twenty three, to order. Invocation, uh Mr. Lantz, please. He's our economic director for city starburish. If you can, please stand. [0:58:53, 0:58:55]: Thank you for this thing. [0:59:08, 0:59:10]: This is a major C D. [0:59:10, 0:59:15]: think for everything that we'll continue to do for the C C for its rise. [0:59:19, 0:59:36]: Amen. Pledge allegiance to Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic for which it stands one nation, underground, individual, with liberty and justice. [0:59:37, 0:59:39]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:59:43, 0:59:46]: Port. Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. [0:59:46, 0:59:47]: Present. [0:59:47, 0:59:52]: Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. [0:59:54, 1:00:07]: No. Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh Council, I need a motion to amend it agenda to remove item number 12. [1:00:15, 1:00:23]: Can I receive a motion to remove and that particular removing this? My understanding the purpose is that the the uh [1:00:23, 1:00:34]: The i the type the the item is not ready for uh for presentation t this evening. And it will be sometime before the end of the month, because I think it's due by the end of the month. Is that correct, Madam Clerk? That is correct, ma'am. [1:00:35, 1:00:37]: Chair Ford, I make a motion to table [1:00:37, 1:00:57]: Um item twelve council consideration to approve the city's liability insurance policy. So I second to the motion. It's oh excuse me. For tonight, yes. Okay, she said said uh to table. [1:00:57, 1:01:05]: I just wanna make sure that's actually moving it from the agenda. It is. Okay. All right. I would say it is. And our attorney, anything any different? [1:01:07, 1:01:09]: You wanna put a period of time that you wanna come back? [1:01:10, 1:01:16]: It's it's gotta come back before the end of uh before thirty one May, is my understanding. Right, put a date on it. [1:01:17, 1:01:18]: Please. [1:01:19, 1:01:19]: Yeah. [1:01:20, 1:01:20]: Okay. [1:01:21, 1:01:32]: So we're tabling it to our council work session, our May council work session. Ma'am. Yes, ma'am. The item needs to c will come back prior to May nineteenth. [1:01:32, 1:01:34]: Oh before May nineteenth. [1:01:35, 1:01:36]: Okay. [1:01:37, 1:01:39]: Okay, probably May nineteenth. [1:01:40, 1:01:43]: Mayor Ford, ask that we table this [1:01:44, 1:01:50]: And that it returned back to the council prior to May nineteenth. Certain. Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [1:01:50, 1:02:05]: Yeah. Is there a proposed date to bring it back? Yeah before before the nineteenth. We have to call a special call meeting to do this. Is that a proposed date? Uh it was it was sent out to council. I need a consensus on the date. You have responded, uh, Councilman Blount. [1:02:06, 1:02:10]: Right, I'm saying but if we have a consistent of a date, why don't we just submit it by the date? [1:02:12, 1:02:22]: Well w if the motion is due b pri prior to nineteenth, the clerk has mentioned that. It's gotta be done prior to that, so it have to be a special call meeting. Somehow we have to continue to work on what it what a consensus would be for the meeting. [1:02:23, 1:02:26]: All right. So once again the motion was made, second. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:02:26, 1:02:34]: Yeah, well thank you. It passes. Okay. Now uh council, I need a motion to accept the rest of the agenda, please. So move. Mr. Alexander, is there a second? [1:02:35, 1:02:37]: Miss Barber Secondette. All in favor, please indicate. [1:02:38, 1:02:52]: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Okay. Well before you council, you have the admin uh adoption of uh retreat minutes for March 20th, 21st, and 22nd, and adoption of work session minutes on uh March 23rd. [1:02:52, 1:02:55]: If there are no changes, I need a motion to accept those minutes in direct, please. [1:02:56, 1:03:00]: Okay, Mr Blount? Circuit. And Mr. Alexander Arm Fay, please indicate. [1:03:00, 1:03:04]: Thank you, appreciate that. Uh Madam Clerk, do you have any public comments at all? [1:03:05, 1:03:25]: Mayor. Okay, thank you, ma'am. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, ceremonial. Uh we had several different proclamations. The matter early part of the meeting uh started at five o'clock roughly. Eight proclamations, three proclamations. And in my tenure of being a mayor, that's the that's the most proclamations we had at any one time. Uh but it's fantastic. And I it's I'm happy to know that uh we the council [1:03:25, 1:03:33]: Also identifying and showing diversity and a sense of recognizing people with many talents and many skills. [1:03:33, 1:03:36]: What we did here the proclamations for the municipal clerk week. [1:03:37, 1:03:46]: And we have a clerk's office officer here. Public service recognition. And we had our our police officers present. National Women of Achievement. We had representatives from that organization as well. [1:03:46, 1:03:50]: Mental Health Awareness Month, we recognize that an individual received that proclamation. [1:03:51, 1:03:53]: Asian American and Pacific Islander Month. [1:03:53, 1:04:13]: That's for the month of May. We had someone uh to also receive that. National Day of Prayer, which happens on an annual basis. It's an initiative that Mr. Blount has, and we did that. And we also acknowledge uh National Small Business Week as well to acknowledge our small businesses in the uh city of Stockbridge and also small businesses is actually what really makes the world go round, right? [1:04:13, 1:04:18]: And then we we honored and recognized Motorcycle Safety Awareness Month, which is the month of May as well. [1:04:19, 1:04:38]: And so we did all those earlier and uh it was great that we we did those. I I love those those proclamations ceremonial part to recognize these different individuals and just different organizations. On that note, we'll move on to presentation. FY 2024 uh budget process timeline. And uh okay [1:04:39, 1:04:42]: John Wiggins, sir, our finance director is going to brief us on that. Thank you, sir. [1:04:45, 1:04:47]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. [1:04:48, 1:04:49]: Good evening. [1:05:43, 1:05:44]: Okay. [1:05:45, 1:05:53]: Appreciate it, sir. Go right ahead. This is the City Manager FY twenty-four budget process presentation. [1:05:56, 1:05:56]: Really. [1:05:57, 1:05:58]: Yeah. [1:05:58, 1:06:00]: Go through the presentation I [1:06:00, 1:06:02]: The purpose of this meeting [1:06:02, 1:06:06]: Is get an understanding of the manager's budget philosophy. [1:06:06, 1:06:09]: Learn about the budget process per the city charter. [1:06:10, 1:06:12]: discussion on council's budget. [1:06:13, 1:06:19]: priorities and outline the FY twenty four budget milestones to adoption. [1:06:25, 1:06:27]: Start off with the strategic priorities. [1:06:29, 1:06:31]: The first one the quality of life. [1:06:32, 1:06:32]: Well [1:06:32, 1:06:38]: This right here was to create an environment that fosters an enjoyable life for all citizens and visitors. [1:06:38, 1:06:40]: So they want [1:06:41, 1:06:44]: To stay here, build businesses here and retire here. [1:06:45, 1:06:46]: Next one was economic. [1:06:47, 1:06:48]: Economic growth [1:06:49, 1:06:52]: Support activities that stimulate the local economy. [1:06:53, 1:06:57]: So да the city can provide a higher standard of living for the citizens. [1:06:58, 1:07:01]: Third one was culture and brand development. [1:07:02, 1:07:07]: Invest in and support things that positively affect the culture. [1:07:08, 1:07:13]: and brand of our staff and the city so that people will want to work and live here. [1:07:14, 1:07:17]: And the last one, fourth one, sustainability. [1:07:18, 1:07:24]: Be sustainable in how we address our assets, our services, our finances. [1:07:25, 1:07:28]: The environment and our people so we can thrive. [1:07:28, 1:07:30]: For many years to come. [1:07:33, 1:07:35]: Budget development flow chart. [1:07:41, 1:07:45]: First we start off with we we developed the budget calendar. That's what [1:07:45, 1:07:49]: the city manager has already uh put in place. Next [1:07:49, 1:07:55]: We project all funds and revenues and expenditures. We're in the process of of doing that now. [1:07:56, 1:07:58]: Department proposed expenditures. [1:08:00, 1:08:02]: Submission to the city council. [1:08:06, 1:08:09]: City Council review advertisement of budget. [1:08:11, 1:08:13]: Oh let me go back. I'm sorry. [1:08:14, 1:08:15]: I messed up there. [1:08:15, 1:08:21]: After the department proposed expenditures, we jump down the CD manager and the finance reviews. [1:08:21, 1:08:24]: uh the proposed expenditures from the department. [1:08:24, 1:08:31]: Next, we we go through changes and adjustments to the budget request, then submission to the city council. [1:08:32, 1:08:37]: From there we go from city council review and and then at the same time we advertise [1:08:37, 1:08:38]: uh the budget. [1:08:40, 1:08:42]: And then we have two public hearings. [1:08:43, 1:08:45]: And we have budget open houses. [1:08:46, 1:08:49]: And then from there we go to the adoption of the budget. [1:08:49, 1:08:54]: Which the goal is the first meeting in December twenty twenty three. [1:09:00, 1:09:02]: Wanna highlight some of the [1:09:02, 1:09:04]: Some of the city budget priorities. [1:09:05, 1:09:08]: One of them is water and sewer infrastructure improvement. [1:09:09, 1:09:11]: Improvements to the existing parks. [1:09:12, 1:09:15]: Implementation of all splash funded projects. [1:09:16, 1:09:17]: street improvements. [1:09:18, 1:09:21]: New paving and sidewalk improvement. [1:09:21, 1:09:23]: Downtown redevelopment. [1:09:24, 1:09:26]: Rehabilitation of Mirror Manual Center. [1:09:27, 1:09:29]: Funding for the Cultural Arts Center. [1:09:29, 1:09:32]: and funding for our police department. [1:09:37, 1:09:38]: Last slide. [1:09:39, 1:09:43]: We get to the FY twenty four budget process timeline. [1:09:46, 1:09:50]: May fifth, we distribute the budget worksheet, which is has been done. [1:09:51, 1:09:52]: Next [1:09:52, 1:09:53]: May tenth through the eleventh. [1:09:54, 1:09:55]: Or May tenth through the twelfth. [1:09:57, 1:09:58]: City manager has a budget retreat. [1:10:00, 1:10:00]: With staff. [1:10:01, 1:10:03]: to go over their budget worksheets. [1:10:04, 1:10:06]: And to get their presentations. [1:10:07, 1:10:08]: June second. [1:10:09, 1:10:15]: We have capital budgets are due to the CD manager and the finance officer. [1:10:15, 1:10:16]: July seventh. [1:10:17, 1:10:20]: Capital budget submission to the city council. [1:10:21, 1:10:28]: July twenty first, we have a draft budget review by manager and city and and finance officer. [1:10:30, 1:10:31]: August tenth through the eleventh. [1:10:32, 1:10:34]: Mayor and City Council budget retreat. [1:10:36, 1:10:37]: October ninth. [1:10:38, 1:10:39]: Submit final draft. [1:10:40, 1:10:42]: Budget to mayor and council. [1:10:44, 1:10:47]: Public hearing is on November the thirteenth and November the twenty eighth. [1:10:49, 1:10:51]: And then budget adoption. [1:10:51, 1:10:52]: At the city council meeting. [1:10:52, 1:10:53]: DSML. [1:11:00, 1:11:05]: That was a quick overview of the city manager's budget process. [1:11:06, 1:11:12]: Specifically going over his budget calendar uh for the upcoming t FY twenty four budget. [1:11:13, 1:11:31]: Appreciate it, uh Mr. Wiggins. It it seems as though the timeline and the process is a little is it's um it's uh a little earlier than it was last year. So I believe that's a good thing to get started on things earlier to try to project things out. That's true. Okay, so that's I think that's a good thing in that aspect. Councillor, any questions? Miss Barber, go ahead please. [1:11:31, 1:11:35]: The budget worksheet you said it was sent out May fifth? [1:11:36, 1:11:43]: Yes, it's already been sent out to the uh department head. Was it to the department head? Yes. Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. Oh no problem. [1:11:45, 1:11:46]: Council, any other questions? [1:11:47, 1:11:56]: All right, good. Thank you. Look forward to that. That means your budget uh retreat with the ca with the staff is this week. It is. Okay, fantastic. Take care. Appreciate it. [1:11:57, 1:12:07]: Old business. Council consideration to appoint Stockbridge representative to the Trans transportation advisory group. Okay, says Mr. Gardner here. Is that you back to you, Mr. Wiggins? Okay. [1:12:10, 1:12:13]: No, m Miss Brecker Carl, she's gonna take care of it. Okay, sure. No problem. [1:12:17, 1:12:21]: Good evening, Mayor Council. How are you all tonight? Right. [1:12:23, 1:12:35]: So this is an old business item as um the transportation advisory group was formed um by the Henry County Board of Commissioners in order to have representatives from all of the [1:12:35, 1:12:37]: All five commission districts. [1:12:37, 1:12:46]: The chairperson and to have a representative from all four cities to gain input and provide um input on the transportation plan. [1:12:47, 1:13:07]: Um they were able to update the transportation plan, develop a transit master plan, and prepare a tra a trails plan. And of course, the city has adopted that joint plan as of last year. So this is for a transportation advisory group appointee that was appointed initially from the [1:13:07, 1:13:27]: City of Stockbridge. His name is N.L. Gonzalez, and he is an engineer with DRMP Inc. Engineers and Surveyors Company and with a specialization in roadway transportation. And so this is just the count, the county has asked us for a reappointment, either an appointment or reappointment. [1:13:27, 1:13:31]: appointment of for this position on that board to represent the city of Stockbridge. [1:13:31, 1:13:51]: This gentleman's thing is Mr. Gonzalez, you said? Yes. NEL Gonzalez. Okay. So counsel, is there a motion to accept Mr. Gonzalez to continue on as uh as a representative on this transportation? That's the question. What's your question, sir? Yeah, talk about the process, but their meetings, and then uh obviously, certainly if the the representative should be coming to [1:13:51, 1:13:55]: to the council to talk with us to uh [1:13:56, 1:14:16]: brief us on what's going on so we can kinda have uh see what uh the interplay is. So how does that work out or as far as that person um coming back to us and then uh reviewing some of that information with us. Um well at this point I know that uh Mr Enniel Gonzalez has provided his input [1:14:16, 1:14:36]: to the tag board. But I will, if he is reappointed or if he does need to provide an overview of his specific contribution. However, the contribution is across the board for the appointees per their jurisdiction. But if it is the will of the council [1:14:36, 1:14:41]: for him to come and brief um the council periodically or his quarterly. [1:14:41, 1:14:47]: Um then I can be sure to make sure he knows that and that's can be a condition of the appointment. [1:14:47, 1:14:52]: Uh I certainly would like to see that. I'd like Rich or more members to council members to chime in. [1:14:54, 1:15:12]: Ms. uh okay, Ms. Barber says okay, that's good. You gentlemen? Okay, m okay. You have a question, Mr. Mill? Yes. Go right, please. I I guess my question still goes back to before because up until the last meeting when we talked about this, I never knew that was a transportation advisory group. [1:15:13, 1:15:16]: So now that it's formulated now to have a board. [1:15:16, 1:15:23]: My question m then was, is this person a voting member for the city of Stockbridge on this board? [1:15:24, 1:15:29]: How many people on the board and how much weight I'm just I don't know anything about the board. Okay. [1:15:29, 1:15:33]: So the the current um transportation um advisory group [1:15:34, 1:15:54]: Is a num is 10 citizens. They are appointees from all five commission districts, and then a sixth for the chairman of the board of commissioners, along with um four different folks from each jurisdiction, which are the cities. So it gives us a total of ten. And each of those folks. [1:15:54, 1:16:03]: Provide input and represent their municipality or the district that they're in for the county commissioners. [1:16:03, 1:16:07]: So when they when they vote pertaining to this board. [1:16:08, 1:16:13]: Does their boat carry weight to decisions or just carry weights of their opinion? [1:16:13, 1:16:33]: It's input. So I'll kind of give you a a quick overview. So the the goal of of the tag is to engage citizens, it's kind of like a steering committee, engage citizens of Henry County and its municipalities in the county's transportation planning process, enabling them to give input, make recommendations on transportation. [1:16:33, 1:16:53]: Planning projects and assist in the implementation of transportation plans. So, yes, each of these individuals is a voice for that jurisdiction or commission that they're a part of. Okay, so that they're a voice for their opinion toward whatever decision that's going to be made. [1:16:53, 1:17:00]: Correct, correct. The only decisions that are gonna be made would be [1:17:00, 1:17:07]: Once the input is taken in from the committee, the plan will be drafted, which it was, and it was adopted by this council. [1:17:08, 1:17:25]: Well, I I'm fine with this person, but I have to agree with Mr. Alexander. I w I don't know this person and I'd I would like to have m met this person or something at some point in time, but I'm okay with the pointy. Um if um you [1:17:26, 1:17:27]: You know this person. [1:17:27, 1:17:37]: Yes. I have spoken to this person. If they think this is good representation for the city, I have to trust trust that you all know what you all are talking about. Absolutely. Okay. [1:17:37, 1:17:48]: I'll tell you what, how about we work with the city manager and and have uh have him come uh take a visit to the council and have a presentation as well. That way you get a chance everybody gets a chance to see him and talk with him. [1:17:49, 1:18:05]: Okay. So need a motion to accept Mr. Gonzalez, there's a motion there. Yes. I make a motion to accept with the conditions mentioned before that uh the council will receive regular briefings from the transportation representative that is appointed by the city. [1:18:05, 1:18:11]: Sir, second the motion. I'll second Miss Barber second that okay. No, I'll second that if you would add quarterly. [1:18:11, 1:18:13]: Uh quarterly please. [1:18:14, 1:18:19]: Okay, so Miles Anna to Miss Barber. Uh Madam Clerk, you have that correct? [1:18:21, 1:18:41]: Okay. All in favor, please indicate. I'm sorry, you have a question, sir? Well, I had my hand up for the C. I'm sorry, Mr. S. So I will make it now. And it just really just a comment. Uh I I do think it is important uh for this representative to have some type of uh coordination [1:18:41, 1:18:45]: with this council as far as um [1:18:45, 1:19:02]: the city of Stockbridge's interest in the overall county's uh transportation issue. And I know uh we hear this all the time from citizens. What is the county doing about transportation? So transportation issues [1:19:02, 1:19:09]: are really, really important, I think, throughout the county. So I think we do need to have some type of relationship [1:19:09, 1:19:16]: with this representative so this person would sort of be able to get um [1:19:16, 1:19:19]: a feel or a position [1:19:20, 1:19:23]: uh that that we in the city of Star Gridfield so I think it's a [1:19:23, 1:19:26]: It's a coordination, if you will. [1:19:26, 1:19:29]: But I just think there needs to be a relationship. [1:19:29, 1:19:49]: with this representative. So we're sorta speaking the same language. We're all on the same page as far as the concerns that we have and our citizens have here in the city of Stockbridge. And I do understand when we when these representatives all come together collectively, they are have the interest [1:19:49, 1:19:58]: of the county uh at heart. And I just wanted to just make that statement. So I am in favor of the city council having a relationship with this representative. [1:19:58, 1:20:08]: Thank you. Yes, Miss Barber. One quick question. Ms Carter, how long is this appointment for? It is a two year term. Okay. Thank you. [1:20:09, 1:20:13]: Okay, motion was made, been seconded, so m let's try to get on favor, please indicate. [1:20:13, 1:20:19]: Thank you very much. Unanimous decision. All right. Now we open up to public hearing and we have several public hearing um [1:20:20, 1:20:30]: Uh this evening. This is the first one. Item number eight. [1:20:30, 1:20:50]: OZM dash twenty twenty three dash zero one. Consideration of amendments to official zoning map and overlay district map in accordance with the resolution and referendum annexation method voted upon during november eighth, twenty twenty two election. There are approximately twenty two O two plus minus new parcels to be added to Stockbridge City boundaries. [1:20:50, 1:20:58]: As indicated within House Bill 612, including the including, but not limited to 23 subdivision communities. [1:20:59, 1:21:11]: and parcels primary consisting of a fifteen hundred and seven plus or minus single family residential, a hundred and five combined commercial and industrial. The zoning and overlay map district will be combined as a single document. [1:21:11, 1:21:31]: The previous zoning map and overlay district was adopted March 14th of 2022. I'm assuming, Ms. Carter, you're presenting this. Okay. Go right, please. Thank you, Mayor and Council. Yes, this item before you is um the zoning map that takes into account the newly annexed properties that came in under the [1:21:31, 1:21:51]: referendum of November the 8th. Those properties became effective January 1st, 2023, and we have the map before you. We've been working with our legal team on timing and making sure that we are making the transfer of the the use of [1:21:51, 1:22:11]: The property to be compatible with the city, um kind of a one-to-one. So if the property in Henry County prior was uh commercial or a C1, a light impact commercial district, it would transfer similarly to the C1 of the city of Stockbridge. Um [1:22:11, 1:22:31]: And it would required, of course, for the plan unit developments to have to come through, even though they'll be rezoned, they'd have to go through a rezoning process in order for their master development plan to be approved by the council. So as you recall, we we brought on, you know, quite a bit of [1:22:31, 1:22:51]: Parcels. And if you look in your your the staff report, here is the the map itself. What we've tried to do is combine the zoning and the overlay districts on a single map so that as we are building the interactive digital map, it makes it very, very simple. [1:22:51, 1:22:53]: Simple and easy for residents to [1:22:53, 1:23:13]: Find out what their zoning of the property is, and also to find out if they are located in an overlay district, which requires for them to do additional development standards or uses that are prohibited, et cetera. So that is the idea of combining the two maps. So in addition to combining them, [1:23:13, 1:23:24]: We're looking to have the new map updated to include these 2,200 additional parcels that we brought in under the city boundaries. [1:23:27, 1:23:32]: All right, so new map to include then uh source this is a complete document in this time. [1:23:32, 1:23:52]: Yes. Okay. All right. And what I've put in your staff reports, just for the public, is a list of all of the parcels. It gives you the council district and the acreage, use, what have you. What it was in Henry County, what it was is being proposed. Um so this um gives you an outline of [1:23:52, 1:24:00]: Of that. And there's about maybe 30 pages or so, but I won't bore you with that. Um, just wanted to make a notation of that for your records. [1:24:00, 1:24:20]: Okay. Council, any questions? Mr. Alzheimer's, go ahead please. Yes, sir. I thank you for the presentation. Uh and I just want to clarify for the public and everybody watching, pretty much these properties are being maintained at the zoning property, uh where they were. We just need to make sure that we transfer'em to something. [1:24:20, 1:24:40]: um compatible in the city, which is it'll be like one to one. There won't be any change in something from commercial to residential or anything like that. It's not a game. This is just to make sure that we clean up our map and that they're uh zoned appropriately under our conditions. But the one thing I just uh [1:24:40, 1:25:00]: So this is being written under the new ULDC that we adopted as a city, correct? That's correct. Okay. And the public should understand this council endeavored to write a completely new zoning package for the entire city so that we would have higher standards because there were too many. [1:25:00, 1:25:20]: Things that predated us, you know, that operated in the community. Those things consisted of tire shops, pawn shops, you know, odds and end businesses, thrift shops, you know, umpteen beauty supply stores, a different business. [1:25:20, 1:25:34]: That oversaturated the city. We took it upon ourselves, vape shops, that kind of thing, to put into code and to requirement to restrict a number of those businesses. That includes dollar stores, too, correct? [1:25:34, 1:25:54]: That's correct. Dollar stores have to be now five miles apart so that we don't have one on every single corner. Understanding we did that so that we could improve the quality of what the community looks like. Because who wants to have uh you know a dollar store on every corner, who wants to have a tire shop? [1:25:54, 1:26:14]: uh on every corner or a thrift store or consignment store. They needed to be spread out and there need to be limitations put on these businesses. As part of these this program is the overlay district was passed as well. So as you go down highway 138, all of us see what it looks like. All of us do. It got [1:26:14, 1:26:26]: that way that predated many of us. But what we wanted to do was to make sure anything new that came along Highway 138 or any of these major corridors met a certain standard. [1:26:26, 1:26:46]: Truck stops would not be allowed along these corridors. Industrial uses would not be allowed along these corridors and many undesirable business, adult locations, truck stops, um, you know, heavy industrial uses, used car dealerships, those types of things that were just allowed to come into the city. [1:26:46, 1:26:50]: Without a real plan for the first time in our history. [1:26:50, 1:27:10]: We passed a development plan for the entire city so that everybody would understand the direction that we're going in. So as we move forward with it, as you will see, out here in front of City Hall, we have 10-foot multi-use paths that are going in that are similar to what you would see to the Atlanta borderline. [1:27:10, 1:27:30]: The Atlanta Beltline has 14 foot, we have 10 feet. When you build a new development in the city, it requires along these major corridors that you build a 10-foot sidewalk so that I can have a bike rider, a cyclist, or somebody to be able to walk that particular area. Those are the type of new requirements that we put in. [1:27:29, 1:27:49]: Now, if you come to some some of these requirements will be stricter than what you used to see uh in the county, whereas these uh individual businesses that we talked about that have limitations because you know uh the county does not have some of these limitations. And we did that so that we could verify [1:27:49, 1:28:09]: Or we could uh make sure that we parse out and spread out these businesses. Uh we don't need a nail salon in every development. Or we need there's a destriction on how close they can be now. All of those things matter when you're trying to attract quality businesses to the area and that you're trying to attract restaurants and shops as we build uh [1:28:09, 1:28:29]: rebuild downtown. I wanted to make that point because we have citizens here who are concerned about, you know, the way that we're going. You know, before us, you know, the city has gone a long way from a f you know a few thousand citizens. Now we have nearly thirty-six thousand, right Mayor? That is the direction that we're going in. [1:28:29, 1:28:49]: And if everything goes as Henry County now is the fastest growing county in Metro Atlanta. And we got to understand we're going to grow. We want to grow wisely and we want to grow in the right direction. But at the same time, people are moving here for the same reason that we did. And we got to make sure that we do in quality. [1:28:49, 1:29:09]: Quality is from my standpoint is the number one thing that we're looking at. The rest of the board members can speak for themselves, but in essence, we want to build a quality community. And when someone brings a development to us, we want it to be like Roswell, we want it to be like Alpharetta. If you come to me or any of us and you say, Okay, let me bring you the C package. No. [1:29:09, 1:29:29]: No, we can't do that anymore. We did that in the past. And that's why Highway 138 looks like it looks. But anything new that comes on it is gonna be Class A, like that amphitheater that we built, or everything else that goes into place. I felt like that needed to be said so people can understand the direction that we're going in and the standard that we're set. [1:29:29, 1:29:32]: Thank you. [1:29:33, 1:29:53]: Okay, this is a public hearing. So I'm gonna open up the public hearing floor in reference to this topic. So on on that note, uh if there are any comments in the public uh for this and then um there'll be a limited amount of time uh per individual. I believe that time is three minutes unless the council awards them more [1:29:53, 1:30:00]: if there are any comments one way or the other. So on my left, which should be the right hand side of the council, any f comments four. [1:30:01, 1:30:03]: In the middle. Any comments four? [1:30:05, 1:30:07]: My right side in the comments four. [1:30:07, 1:30:08]: Okay. [1:30:08, 1:30:12]: Any comments uh guest with the proposal from my left side. [1:30:12, 1:30:13]: Any comments over here? [1:30:14, 1:30:15]: And it comes in the middle. [1:30:16, 1:30:17]: The comments are right. [1:30:18, 1:30:38]: Okay, so there are no comments one way uh or the other. So I'll close that piece of that particular issue in a public hearing. And so council, I need a motion to accept this particular item. Mayor. Sir. I'd like to make a motion to move forward with bringing these properties into the city under the appropriate zoning as recommended by city staff. Okay. [1:30:37, 1:30:39]: Mr. Alexander, is there a second? [1:30:42, 1:30:43]: Do I have a second? [1:30:49, 1:30:53]: Yes sir. Yes sir. Okay, mister Mr. Thomas second that [1:30:53, 1:31:13]: I have a Any further discussion? Yeah, I have one question. Go right ahead, please. Um and I guess I could talk to you, um, Breck and and the city manager um about this because when you bring businesses in and when you transfer almost putting in the same zonings. [1:31:13, 1:31:33]: We just want to make sure that there's no circumventing of what we pertain to our ULDC codes with with these business. That's that's my biggest concern. So I guess I'll get with you all and see how we're putting the buffers in that it won't be any circumventing uh because if we say we don't want vape shop [1:31:33, 1:31:50]: shops here or hookah shop or whatever, then this business that opens up under the different um zoning but allows it, that to me circumvents the process. And so I just wanted to find out and I'll get with you all on how do we um [1:31:51, 1:32:02]: How do we eliminate or prevent that circumventing of what we want in the city to happen because it comes under another zoning but allows something else? And that's that's been my concern. [1:32:02, 1:32:22]: Right. And I think that that isn't a concern anytime there's an annexation. Um, because the the it's not a necessarily an apples to apples transfer. There are uses within the city's requirements that are a little bit more restrictive than the counties. And for a majority of our districts, the city's requirements are more restrictive. [1:32:22, 1:32:42]: Restrictive than the counties. And then we handle any new business. We took in about 362 new businesses from the annexation. And any new business that comes in, they will be regulated under the new code. If there's a new owner, any of the triggers that we manage now, as far as any [1:32:42, 1:33:02]: anyone being grandfathered in. Um and as long as is is they meet those requirements, then they will be able to remain. However, if there are issues like, you know, illicit discharge and, you know, illegal dumping, things like that, we have to we will address on a code enforcement um capacity. Okay. That's good because I'll [1:33:02, 1:33:16]: I'm looking at when you bring a when you bring those businesses in, um, because you know, you have those grandfather calls that we still have in certain areas, how does that fit into businesses coming to the city? [1:33:16, 1:33:36]: So any crush time. Right. So any business who comes in their grandfathered in until if there's a if they have six months or more of not being in operation, then they lose their grandfather status. If you have a new owner, as long as it continues in operation, it's fine. If they d are not in business for six months or more, [1:33:36, 1:33:56]: Then they are not permitted to get that same license under that former grandfathered in status. They have to meet the current code. And that's how we over time try to, you know, weed out uses that aren't allowed currently per R code, versus telling them, hey, you've got six months to move or leave. [1:33:56, 1:34:00]: [5641.1, 5649.2]: the the um ability to develop their property and to operate under a business um until such time that changes. [1:34:09, 1:34:10]: Okay. [1:34:11, 1:34:13]: Any other questions from the council? [1:34:13, 1:34:21]: I do. I do. Ms. Carver. Um looking at the list of parcels, it has a column for district. [1:34:22, 1:34:25]: And it lists a district number twelve. [1:34:25, 1:34:38]: What district is that? Is that a state district? So there's a land there's a landlot and there's a district for the city overall that the tax assessors keeps track of. And then we separately have the council districts. [1:34:38, 1:34:40]: Gotcha. Thank you. Absolutely. [1:34:40, 1:34:42]: You know the questions counsel? [1:34:42, 1:34:45]: And if not any motion to Mail forward. Yes sir. Go ahead. [1:34:46, 1:34:47]: Uh Mrs. Carter, thank you. [1:34:49, 1:34:58]: Just based on the concern that I think Mr. Blount just spoke to and the comments from Councilman Alexander. [1:34:59, 1:35:03]: And and what I try to educate myself on is the [1:35:04, 1:35:05]: Comprehensive [1:35:06, 1:35:07]: Plan. [1:35:07, 1:35:09]: That includes [1:35:09, 1:35:29]: all of those entities where the city of Stockbridge as a municipality uh began to be uh proactive as far as land use plans, strategic plans. So how do we how do we grow? How do we build upon the great city of Starkbridge? [1:35:29, 1:35:31]: So I think when you [1:35:32, 1:35:51]: are able to look at all of these things, then I think we begin to see the picture of how we smart growth uh this area. And so I know when we alluded to the uh UDC, which is somewhat of a of a a of a guardrail, so can you just speak to [1:35:52, 1:35:54]: the collective or the comprehensive [1:35:55, 1:35:56]: Package. [1:35:56, 1:35:58]: Та а за муніципаліті [1:35:58, 1:36:02]: That we put into place to make sure that [1:36:02, 1:36:05]: We do the best we can do to make sure that [1:36:05, 1:36:25]: As our city grows, we have the guardrails in place to make sure that we're sort of being smart about how we allow things to come in. And I know we're here tonight. I know we have citizens here tonight. Probably want to get into uh some zoning issues. So all of these things. [1:36:25, 1:36:45]: Come into effect, you know, the zoning, the variance, all of these kind of requests. So I think we have to sort of have a better understanding of all of that so we can make a better decision on how we push forward uh in growing, you know, this great city. So can you just briefly just [1:36:45, 1:36:51]: sort of speak to that overall dynamic, if you will, of how we sort of [1:36:52, 1:36:57]: push forward and try to grow this great city. Sure, absolutely. Um, great point. So [1:36:58, 1:37:13]: I was here two weeks ago and we talked about our comprehensive plan update. Our comprehensive plan is our overarching twenty-five year um, you know, kind of bird's eye level of how we are to develop the city of Stockbridge. [1:37:13, 1:37:16]: The zoning code, the zoning map. [1:37:16, 1:37:19]: All of those are tools to implement. [1:37:20, 1:37:23]: Our future land use plan and our comprehensive plan. [1:37:23, 1:37:32]: So one of the great things about this process is as we are, you know, for the council to approve the zoning map and overlay district map tonight. [1:37:33, 1:37:53]: We also go back and we're gonna look at our comprehensive plan um document, which is a map, which has all these different elements, what we look at for land use, which includes zoning, we look at housing, we look at economic development, natural resources, and there are several others, transportation. And what we do is we look at what are our [1:37:53, 1:38:03]: are s are we look at a SWOT analysis. We look at the strengths, we look at the weaknesses, and we look at our opportunities and threats to make sure that we are addressing [1:38:03, 1:38:23]: What we want development to be based on where we are today? How are we progressing? What are the trends? Do we want to see more things? Do we want making sure we have those 10-foot-wide trails on all those major roads? Do we want to see, you know, a water feature, you know, throughout the city? What have you? There are lots of different things that we'll address. [1:38:23, 1:38:24]: Dress. [1:38:25, 1:38:39]: But these this is a tool in order to implement that comprehensive overarching plan. And we're going through that update process over the next several months and we'll bring that back to you guys in October. So it all ties in together. [1:38:40, 1:38:42]: Thank you, Maryland. Okay, absolutely. All right. [1:38:43, 1:38:47]: Any other questions? If if not, I need a motion to real quick. Yes, sir. [1:38:48, 1:38:53]: Um, I don't wanna mess with anybody's intelligence here and so when because when I came on this council [1:38:54, 1:39:14]: I I wasn't familiar with a lot of acronyms. So I would hope that when we say acronyms we just say what it is for the sake of the when we say UDC is that means unified development codes meaning to hold so if we just you know, I I I didn't know what ac these acronyms were. So I just wanna make sure they they know when we say UDC and when we say certain things that we [1:39:14, 1:39:27]: kind of let them know what that is. Absolutely. And um Councilman Alexander noted that earlier. So I'm sorry I did just throw the acronym out. But um yes, it is the unified development code that is our UDC, which helps us govern [1:39:28, 1:39:40]: you know, development standards, how things need to be built, what needs to be where, how many amenities you should have, street um infrastructure, road infrastructure, sidewalks and the like. [1:39:40, 1:39:41]: Thank you. [1:39:41, 1:39:51]: All right, now uh I would imagine that's probably all the questions from the council. So I need a motion, uh we all need a motion. I need a motion to accept it. Second, okay. [1:39:52, 1:39:52]: Thank you. [1:39:53, 1:39:55]: So all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:39:55, 1:39:59]: Announced decisions. All right, thank you very much. Thank you. For all. All right. [1:40:01, 1:40:21]: A lot of conversation. Okay, item number nine. Comprehensive plan amendment KCP 2022-06. Consideration of a comprehensive plan amendment request to assign the future land use designating the property located at 576 Davis Road, parcel S05. [1:40:21, 1:40:41]: Five-01002000 to high density residential to allow for construction of a town home development. Applicant Forrester Real Estate Group, USA Incorporated Agent Alex Brock of Smith, Gramble and Russell LLP. Properties located at Landlot 91. [1:40:40, 1:40:48]: or District 12. It contains 27.635 acres. Miss Reca, please. [1:40:48, 1:40:56]: I'm sorry. Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. Before he begins, may I ask that Miss Carter, this um [1:40:58, 1:41:00]: The overlay district map. [1:41:00, 1:41:04]: When I asked about the district numbers that's on this table here. [1:41:05, 1:41:06]: It references district twelve. [1:41:07, 1:41:08]: Can you please? [1:41:09, 1:41:10]: Add another column. [1:41:10, 1:41:12]: I am most interested in. [1:41:12, 1:41:21]: City Council districts, and I need to see for each of these parcels how many of these are specifically in each of the council districts. [1:41:22, 1:41:23]: For this [1:41:23, 1:41:25]: Thank you for this item. [1:41:25, 1:41:27]: For this public hearing. [1:41:27, 1:41:31]: Um for the compli comprehensive plan amendment case. [1:41:31, 1:41:32]: You're still referencing [1:41:33, 1:41:34]: District twelve. [1:41:35, 1:41:36]: For the record. [1:41:36, 1:41:37]: Madam Clerk. [1:41:38, 1:41:40]: In reference to city council district. [1:41:40, 1:41:42]: It is in city council district. [1:41:43, 1:41:43]: four. [1:41:44, 1:41:47]: I want that to be clear and on record. [1:41:48, 1:42:03]: If I if I may, Council Mayor Pro Tem. So there are two districts, two types of districts. There is the landlot and district for overall for the county. So this, this is in landlord. [1:42:05, 1:42:13]: This is Land Lot 91, District 12. However, the council district is specified specifically as district four. [1:42:14, 1:42:33]: And that is what should be referenced on our city council agenda meeting. Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, I can make sure that that's clarified if there are any any uh in all other documents going forward. You can still reference the tax assessors, district numbers. We will we'll add council district going forward. I appreciate it. Thank you. [1:42:34, 1:42:54]: I assume that that request from Miss Barber, that the rest of council is good with that particular. That is my it is my district. And is what I'd like to see be transparent to the people in the community so that they are not confused about what this is and what area it represents. That's all. [1:42:53, 1:43:10]: Stand by the re if you're asking for that, that means that would mean I would think that that would be the same thing for all the other council districts. That's why I'm asking that. Okay? I want to make sure that the rest of the council districts uh representatives will want the same thing. Okay. That's what I want to try to figure out. Okay. [1:43:10, 1:43:30]: I would add that this is not unusual. It is what they do at every county meeting. This is a part of the legal description for the property. Understand. You have a lot and you have a district when you l as it's part of the legal description. So adding this particular um district would be appropriate, certainly. Okay. [1:43:30, 1:43:50]: uh for the county to un for the city to citizens to understand. But understand this is a pro if you go to any of the Henry County zonings, they have they do have what you suggested. They have the district number on there and they do have uh the the um the county tax assessors district. It'll say district twelve, district seven, whatever it may be. [1:43:49, 1:44:09]: And it does follow along those columns, but it is indicated which commissioner it's referenced to. Okay, thank you, Council. I just want to make sure that that the rest of the council is well aware and would want the same type of requirement. What I thought to forgot to mention earlier, uh as I read out the item nine right below it says to be presented by the county development staff, the planning commission approved uh this request. [1:44:09, 1:44:18]: With amended conditions at the April 27, 2023 meeting. Okay, please go ahead. All right. Thank you, Mayor. [1:44:22, 1:44:42]: I'll I'll begin with the um with the applicant case facts. The applicant is Forrester Real Estate Group. The applicant's request, once again, repeating what the mayor said, assign the future land use designation of property to high density residential to allow for the development of a townhouse community with 170 units. The number of proposed units per acre would be [1:44:42, 1:45:02]: 6.15. The address of the property is 576 Davis Road and it's located in Council District 4. The number of acres the subject property represents is 27.635 acres. The property characteristics, property has three single-family residences and a detached garage. [1:45:02, 1:45:14]: In addition, it is a long wooded and narrow lot that slopes downwards to the north where the stream and buffer are located. The current city land use designation is Low Density Residential. [1:45:18, 1:45:36]: The future land use designation maps designate the subject property as low density residential. However, the current future land use is incompatible with the requested rezoning to MFR. Therefore, the applicant is seeking a comprehensive plan amendment to assign the future land use designation to high density residential. [1:45:41, 1:45:47]: On the screen now is the future land use map of the area surrounding five seventy six Davis Road. [1:45:50, 1:46:10]: The surrounding land use densities or the property, the density of the properties that surround the subject property. To the north, you got single family detached homes located along Valley Hill Road. And the land use designation of that property is low density residential. To the south, [1:46:10, 1:46:21]: You got Stockbridge Estates Mobile Home Park, and it is medium density residential. To the east, you have single-family detached homes along Davis Road, Century Oaks. [1:46:22, 1:46:36]: And the density of of th of that property is medium density residential. And to the west you got the Pine Hills Estates Mobile Home Park, Wildwood Estates Subdivision, and the density of that is low density and medium density residential. [1:46:43, 1:47:03]: Can I ask you a question? I didn't think we have medium density in our is that in the Henry County zone and planned is in our zone in plant. I thought we s kind of skipped from one to the other one and that was our density rates do uh it's kind of skewed a little bit. Uh currently uh the low density is one point five to two units per acre. The medium density is two to three point six. [1:47:03, 1:47:23]: And then we skip from three point six to five point nine, and we skip that and we go to high density, which is six sixteen units. My question is, when you say medium density, what is what number is that? Medium density is is two for these properties for those two mobile home parts. Uh the between two to three point six units per acre. [1:47:23, 1:47:25]: Okay. Yes. [1:47:26, 1:47:29]: Oh yeah, please please continue. [1:47:30, 1:47:50]: Okay, here's another um chart indicating the densities of of the surrounding properties. Pine Hills Estate Mobile Home Park. They have 91 units and their density is 2.5 units per acre. You got Century Oaks Duplex Subdivision. They have 29 units and their density rate is 0.88 units per acre. You got metal. [1:47:50, 1:48:05]: Ridge, they have 70 units and their density rate is 1.3 units per acre. You got Stockbridge, the States Mobile Home Park, they have 156 units, and their density rate is 4 units per acre, and that's still a medium. [1:48:05, 1:48:25]: And you have Wildwood Estate Subdivision, they have 233 units with a density rate of 3.22 units per acre, and that is considered a medium. You have Springwood Valley, they have 22 units at a density rate of 0.8835 units per acre. And you have Big Oak Villas. [1:48:25, 1:48:31]: They have 34 units on nine with a density rate of nine units per acre. [1:48:31, 1:48:33]: And the proposed Davis Home [1:48:34, 1:48:41]: Project has a hund has a proposed number of 170 units with a density rate of six units per acre, a little over six units per acre. [1:48:43, 1:48:46]: Here is the uh on the screen now we have a [1:48:48, 1:48:53]: A screenshot of the uh concept plan or the site plan, how it's laid out. [1:48:59, 1:49:01]: Uh staff analysis. [1:49:02, 1:49:22]: The the requested well consistent consistency with the comprehensive plan. The requested comp plan amendment of the subject property from low density to high density is necessary because the current land use does not allow the development of town homes. Furthermore, the proposed densities would not be compatible with the required density for the current land use. [1:49:22, 1:49:42]: Designation. Relation to the zoning of the property, the property requested zoning district is not compatible with the list of permitted zoning districts that are found in the comprehensive plan. To allow for the proposed zoning, the applicant has request requested that the property be rezoned to MFR to the MFR district to allow the townhomes to be built. [1:49:42, 1:50:02]: The rezoning will be heard concurrently with this case. After I finish this case right here, the rezoning is coming up next. The suitability of the site's location. The proposed high-density land use designation will be compatible with the high-density land use designation of big oaks villas located to the east. Furthermore, [1:50:01, 1:50:21]: Page 45 of the Stockbridge Comprehensive Plan provides a list of permitted uses that are compatible with the land use designation, which includes MFR multifamily residential, which the applicant is seeking. Maintaining the current land use designation. Maintaining the current land use designation would be allowable for the applicant to develop. [1:50:21, 1:50:27]: The would not be allowable for the applicant to develop the townhomes due to the proximity from an existing [1:50:29, 1:50:49]: Town home community located within the area. Furthermore, it is unlikely the subject property will be developed with the type of uses that are permitted by the existing low density residential land use. Um the property would never be developed as a commercial uh use because of the frontage and where it's located, and it's not located on the [1:50:49, 1:51:05]: major therapy and also it would not be uh feasible for the property for the subject property to be developed as a single family residential detached because you couldn't get enough units on the property for it to be economically viable. So as a result [1:51:05, 1:51:25]: Staff recommends approval of the requested change in the property's future land use designation from low density residential to high density residential. And one last note, we're currently in the process of updating the comprehensive plan and and due to the low ranges of our density rates. [1:51:25, 1:51:45]: Like low density is 1.2 to 2 units per acre, medium is 2 to 3.6 units per acre, and uh high density is 6 to 16 units per acre. Uh we feel like these density ranges are not compatible with what the city of Stockbridge is transforming into. It's becoming more of an urbanization. [1:51:44, 1:52:04]: area. So we feel that these current density rates are for more of a suburban type community. So there's chances are once we go to a ther go through a thorough analysis of the current ranges and uh while we're undergoing the process of uh updating the um the comp plan. [1:52:04, 1:52:08]: That this area could be slated to be medium density in the future. [1:52:10, 1:52:11]: Thank you. Questions, Council? [1:52:13, 1:52:14]: Yeah, cool so. [1:52:15, 1:52:21]: Why Miss Barber? As the district representative of City Council District Four. [1:52:22, 1:52:24]: I have some concerns. [1:52:24, 1:52:26]: A lot of concern concerns actually. [1:52:26, 1:52:27]: You just spoke of wine. [1:52:28, 1:52:31]: That there's gonna be updates to our comprehensive plan. [1:52:33, 1:52:35]: I have spoken with the developer on [1:52:35, 1:52:36]: A few occasions. [1:52:37, 1:52:39]: Recently I asked that they delayed. [1:52:40, 1:52:41]: [6761.5, 6762.7]: [1:52:42, 1:52:43]: of their proposal. [1:52:44, 1:52:49]: Now that I know that we're gonna be updating the comprehensive plan soon. [1:52:49, 1:52:52]: I suggest that they bring it back at a later time. [1:52:52, 1:52:58]: Uh that could be s six to seven or eight months away, council member. I'm sorry. [1:52:58, 1:53:00]: That could be six to eight months away. [1:53:00, 1:53:02]: Okay. [1:53:02, 1:53:04]: I don't object to that. [1:53:04, 1:53:04]: Okay. [1:53:05, 1:53:07]: Um that's all. [1:53:08, 1:53:10]: Mr. Point. [1:53:10, 1:53:30]: Yeah, let me let me kind of understand where we're going to. And I need everybody to understand something. This is not the end of the road, and these are tough decisions that we face on an ongoing basis. Please understand, as I said, Henry County is one of the fastest growing counties in Metro Atlanta. And trust me. [1:53:30, 1:53:41]: This is what happens and what folks don't understand about the zoning process. If we say no tonight and they take it to court and they sue and they win, they could bill whatever they want. [1:53:42, 1:54:02]: This is the they they could build whatever they want. If they take it to court and the judge decides, the judge makes the decided. This opportunity, delaying it, whatever we do, gives us an opportunity to have input to bring down the number of units, which the number of units have been brought down from 250 to [1:54:02, 1:54:15]: I think what 175? 170. 170. So we were by working with Count Mempro Tim Barber in the city, the number of residential units have been brought down from two fifty to one seventy. But [1:54:16, 1:54:18]: Say we turned it down tonight. [1:54:18, 1:54:38]: And the developer and the property owner in Georgia has all the rights they do. And that's what tires our hand most of the time, because the property rights says the property owner has a right to sell the property for the highest and best use. And what that does to us is it puts us in a position where we got big old villas down the street. [1:54:38, 1:54:58]: Street that has nine units per acre, someone in the city has already set the precedent that this is allowable in that area already. So what generally happens to us, we got a mobile home park next door that has four or five, which is in that same range. But what generally happens to us is we're in a position, the staff has made a [1:54:58, 1:55:18]: A recommendation of approval based on what the future land use map says to us. But in order to allow this council to work on the project and to continue to work on District 4 and to do what's necessary or to have the council member entertain that. And I would have uh the the legal to weigh on this. [1:55:18, 1:55:38]: As well, if Quentin is in here as well. The county is under these same pressures. That's why you keep seeing over and over again where these multifamily developments keep coming up to the county. And the county is approving them. Why do they keep proving them? Because in the end, all the laws state, again, most of the laws are only [1:55:38, 1:55:53]: on the side of the property owners. What has happened to us over and over again is property l large property owners in the area say, I'm moving, I'm ready to cash in with rates being so high, they can make a fortune. They sell to the developer, [1:55:53, 1:56:03]: then that then we get to a rezoning. We just haven't had many of these. McDonough's had a gazillion. The county has had so many more to go along with it. [1:56:03, 1:56:09]: And you listen to their particular meetings and you tune into their meetings and they share the same concerns with us. [1:56:09, 1:56:29]: Because the developers come in when you s when you tell them no, they hand you the sheet that says these are our our rights, and they say, you know what, we reserve the right to sue to reverse that decision. So no matter what we do tonight, that decision can be overturned by a court of law. And understand that. So in our position, uh in the [1:56:29, 1:56:49]: county's position that they have taken going through this is to try to work with it if we can. If it's just impossible, there's nothing that we can do to to resolve it. The residents are 100% against it and there's nothing that we can do to try to work it out between both parties. Sometimes we do reserve the right to do that, but understanding that the [1:56:49, 1:56:51]: The next this is not the end of the road. [1:56:52, 1:56:58]: And if it's not the end of the road, and I think you'll say that too, Mr. Anderson, is that this is not end of the road, is it? [1:56:58, 1:57:00]: No, sir, it's not. [1:57:00, 1:57:20]: Okay, and in these cases do go to a judge and when they go to a judge, the judge makes the decision, correct? He says, Well, this is what uh and the judge doesn't say, Well, you could have this many units per acre or whatever, they just say they have a right to sell this property and the and for the rezoning, correct? Yes, sir. [1:57:20, 1:57:25]: And staff has concluded that that this is the highest and best use of that particular land. [1:57:25, 1:57:37]: Okay, again, with no decision has been made by us, we're gonna certainly sit here and listen to every resident to say what you gotta understand. And we hear a lot of this and I'm gonna continue on, is that [1:57:37, 1:57:50]: Every we hear it every zoning here and they hear it at the county too. The state legislature is where we need to address a lot of these issues at. We hear people come in and they say traffic, traffic, traffic. [1:57:50, 1:57:52]: Under state law. [1:57:52, 1:57:58]: We cannot legally deny a development based on traffic. It might seem silly to you. [1:57:59, 1:58:19]: But if we did, that's a ground for reversal of the decision, because we said traffic. We hear it over and over again. Well the schools are overcrowded. We're bringing in all these developments. If you deny a development based on schools, they sue. That's ground for a term because the courts have said in Georgia, because the laws state what they state. [1:58:18, 1:58:24]: is that if you deny it based on traffic, the traffic is our responsibility. [1:58:25, 1:58:45]: Ours to determine our job is to widen the roads and to do what's necessary. The schools are the responsibility of the school board, which has nearly a billion dollar budget if you count T splot E splot and what they doing. So again and again that has come back to court and this has been what the the judgment is. [1:58:45, 1:59:05]: And I'm not saying what decision we're gonna make up here, but you gotta understand this is not the end of the road. This is part of the process which we listen to, which each resident has to say, and then we have to make a decision based on what's best for the community and what's legally sound in the decision. [1:59:05, 1:59:25]: That needs to be made. But trust and believe I'm telling you, this is not the end of the road. We're do going through the process and whatever we do, decision will be made to move forward or deny. We we this is not the end of the road. Thank you. No problem. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um one of the things that for me [1:59:25, 1:59:28]: As a council member elected by the citizens of Stockbridge. [1:59:29, 1:59:32]: Um, I don't have any control of the courts. [1:59:33, 1:59:53]: But now that we go on to districts, one of the things we have to do is look at how we can affect our districts. Uh but that's by listening to the citizens, that's by um talking to the developers, that's by looking in in the area what's best benefits your district and what doesn't. Um I can't I I don't make decisions up here pertaining to what the court may. [1:59:52, 2:00:01]: Or may not say, because we weren't we weren't elected as citizens to determine what we say or do pertain to what a court may say or do. [2:00:01, 2:00:07]: Um one of the things that um I have to respect out of either one of my colleagues districts [2:00:07, 2:00:11]: If they have concerns, then we have to respect those concerns for their districts. [2:00:11, 2:00:16]: And that's where I am. I'm uh so if there's a if there's more um [2:00:16, 2:00:30]: behind the scenes negotiation or talking pertaining to that district uh with the developer and as you said that that uh the comprehensive plan could uh in the future be uh brought in and and can [2:00:30, 2:00:44]: be low low density, uh media you know uh uh uh medium density, um th then so be it. But one of the things I have to do, because I would not want one council member coming to my district and telling me [2:00:45, 2:01:03]: how to develop my district when it comes to residential or commercial and what's needed and what's not needed when the citizens in my district are the ones that put me in office. So one of the things I have to do is listen to my colleagues and their concerns about their districts. And that's why I lay my decision. [2:01:04, 2:01:07]: Any other comments? Yes. Go right, please. [2:01:09, 2:01:29]: I said so there's no words being twisted. I did never say that you should ignore the district council member. Count Mayor Pro Tem Barber is the district person. I have said on Zooms that we've talked and what have you that listen, this is her district. She'll be one making the final decision. And in essence, certain [2:01:29, 2:01:49]: Certainly, no decision will ever be made based on what the courts do. I'm just trying to inform the citizens of the process and to understand. No matter what we do tonight, it may not be the end of the road. So, understanding that particular process, make sure you state when you come up here again, you gotta understand the rules. [2:01:49, 2:02:09]: rules and the rules say we can't deny based on schools or traffic. But we hear that a lot. So understanding that is very key to uh you know when you're talking, you're understanding that. Because we hear that a lot. But understanding the rules, sometimes the rules are not explained to folks and they don't really understand the rules or what determines [2:02:09, 2:02:29]: Determines what goes on. Surely we live in the community, we certainly think about schools and we do everything that we can. As a matter of fact, we secured seven hundred fifty million dollars countywide to widen almost every major road in Henry County to deal with that. And the school board has nearly a billion dollar budget to kind of deal with the schools. So that's [2:02:29, 2:02:40]: their responsibility, but certainly we want to hear you out and understand what your concerns are and defer to the district uh council member as I would expect them to defer to me as well. Thanks. [2:02:41, 2:02:44]: Um Ms. One. Yeah, go ahead, please. [2:02:44, 2:03:04]: Um Mr. Alexander, one of the things I I'm I'm not insinuating what you say and what you believe. Um that's what you believe. And I'm not um com being combative or anything but pertaining to what you believe, but and I agree with you, we cannot deny development because of schools and roads. Um [2:03:04, 2:03:16]: Uh, in my opinion, uh when you talk about a lot of high a lot of high density development versus uh infrastructure plan not coming to fruition first, you're gonna have problems. That's a that's a given. [2:03:17, 2:03:21]: And so when it comes to but when it comes to any developer [2:03:21, 2:03:27]: that wants to bring any type of development in your community, whether it's high density, medium density or low density. [2:03:28, 2:03:48]: Those negotiation, those uh and and obviously something's been had. Uh that they're they're talking now. So I have to let that council person in that dist district take the league. And that's that's that's what I'm saying. I'm not it's no beliterate anybody thought process or how we should go about doing anything. I'm just talking about just [2:03:48, 2:03:49]: John Blount. [2:03:50, 2:03:59]: All right, thank you. How about Forrester and or Alex Brock of uh did uh do you all wanna come forward and have any comments? Come on forward, sir, and if you have any comments to the council at all. [2:04:03, 2:04:23]: And I'm not sure, so to give your name because I'm not sure who exactly who you are, because I didn't meet you earlier. Yes, good evening. My name's Alex Brock with Smith Gambrell Russell. I'm here on behalf of the applicant uh Four Star Real Estate Group. Uh joining me tonight, I have Jack Burke and Ren uh Giazzoni with Fourstar. Um before I start my presentation, I do have one handout I'd like to uh give a comment. [2:04:23, 2:04:26]: Okay, sure. Uh [2:04:38, 2:04:55]: And if I could, I'd like to use staff slides. I have Okay, sure. Did the other gentleman want to join you at the mic? Uh did you want to come up, sir, at all? Any you th two gentlemen? Or are you just comfortable right where you are? Okay. If there's technical questions, I may ask Mr. Burke and Mr. Gisani to step up. Okay, thank you. [2:04:56, 2:05:15]: Um we are here tonight for three applications, comprehensive plan and rezoning and a variance. Uh it's my understanding we are going to take those one at a time. Uh so I'll start with the comprehensive plan. Um before we get into what we are proposing, I just wanted to give a brief overview of uh [2:05:15, 2:05:35]: The of how we've gotten here tonight, because this has been a lengthy journey for us. Uh, we initially started conversations with the city back last August, last July, last August, before we submitted anything for rezoning. Uh at that time, we initially proposed 252 townhome units uh on the property. That would have been a density of 9.11 units per [2:05:35, 2:05:55]: Per acre. By the time we submitted for rezoning in October, we had lowered that to 235 units, which would have been a density of 8.5 units per acre. Then with discussions with planning staff and other city officials, we went back and revisited the design to lower that even further. [2:05:55, 2:06:10]: Further, and we've dropped it down to the current plan that's before tonight of 170 units, uh, which is approxim uh which is a density of six point one eight units per acre. Uh this is only two-thirds of what we initially proposed. Uh [2:06:11, 2:06:31]: In uh overall reduction of eighty-two units. Uh we've also made a number of other changes to the plan through our conversations with the city, uh including improvements to the amenity package. We initially were proposing just a open pavilion. Uh we've converted that to a a formal clubhouse. Uh we are now including ten-foot sidewalks along Davis Street. [2:06:31, 2:06:51]: Drive. It should be noted that there are existing sidewalks on the southern right-of-way of Davis Drive, but we are proposing the full 10-foot sidewalks along the northern portion of the front edge of our property. We've also increased guest parking throughout, which I'll get into a little bit later. And a few other few other items. [2:06:51, 2:07:11]: Items which I'll get through through the course of my presentation. But to go to the comp plan request directly, we have requested a rezoning for multifamily residential in a density of 6.18 units per acre. The current land use is low density residential, which does not allow townhouse. [2:07:11, 2:07:14]: home development nor the six point one eight units per acre. [2:07:15, 2:07:35]: As uh Mr. Anderson pointed out earlier, there's a little bit of a quirk in the city's current comprehensive plan. The medium density uh land use allows for a density of two to three point six units per acre, and then there's a gap until you get to six units per acre. Uh, high density is six to sixteen units per acre. Uh so we [2:07:35, 2:07:41]: We are going with a high density residential'cause we are right at uh six point a little over six units per acre. [2:07:41, 2:08:01]: Uh and I also like to note that we are not trying to max out the density on the property. Uh we have lowered it to 6.18 units per acre, which is the low end of the high density residential. Uh so we are not trying to squeeze as many units as we can uh onto the development. And in fact, we are preserving a large amount of open space uh throughout the development. [2:08:02, 2:08:03]: Uh [2:08:05, 2:08:25]: As uh staff had mentioned earlier in their presentation, uh we are surrounded primarily by medium density residential, uh, but there are other high-density residential land uses, uh, primarily the Big Oak Villa Townhomes, which is 0.42 miles uh to the east of our property along Davis Road. Uh that is the property that's currently [2:08:25, 2:08:32]: At a density of around nine units per acre and has a uh land use designation of high density residential. [2:08:34, 2:08:39]: We fit our request fits a number of goals of the city's current comprehensive plan. Uh [2:08:41, 2:09:00]: One, to provide a variety of housing choices to suit the changing needs and lifestyle of city residents. That's on page 38 of the comp plan. To provide a mixture of housing options to attract young professionals, singles, and small families. To preserve and enhance older existing neighborhoods by promoting infill development to revitalize established neighborhoods. [2:09:01, 2:09:21]: In the comprehensive plan specifically notes the lack of townhomes and the need to provide housing options. Uh on page 18 of the comprehensive plan says the dominant housing option is likely to remain single family development. However, to attract certain segments of the population, like young adults and millennials, other housing options should be available. Currently, there's a lack of townhouse, another multifamily residential house. [2:09:21, 2:09:21]: Housing. [2:09:22, 2:09:39]: Uh it's unlikely that the property will be redeveloped uh under its current land or low density residential land use designation. Uh it's not suitable for uh single family or the other type of uh uh development that the city is seeking with its comprehensive plan. [2:09:42, 2:09:49]: So to go into a little bit of the development itself, and I want to be cognizant of my time so I don't run over, but um [2:09:51, 2:10:11]: There's a number of benefits that we've looked at with this plan. One is affordability. These units will be priced in the high 200 to 300 range. These are for sale units. So we're not seeking any tax credits for uh technical affordable housing. Uh so we're not bound by HUD restrictions uh for that, but we are making these affordable for the market. [2:10:12, 2:10:26]: Uh the medium home price of new sales in Henry County Stockbridge for the last twelve months uh ranged in the high three hundred thousands. Uh so our price range of high two hundred to to low three hundreds is well below that uh uh medium home sale price for the area. [2:10:27, 2:10:43]: And what we are proposing is within the range of many younger home buyers and empty nesters, which is our market for the townhomes. Um and it's also the market that the comprehensive plan specifically notes uh that the city of Stockbridge is trying to attract, uh the younger professionals. [2:10:45, 2:11:05]: Uh parking. Uh one issue with our initial conversations with the city was parking throughout the property. We initially only had a few guest parking spaces. Uh we did meet the UDC's requirement for parking. However, we went back and took a second look at guest parking throughout the property. Uh we'll provide a total number [2:11:05, 2:11:25]: of or there's a mix of one and two uh car garages uh so we can provide a variety of housing product uh throughout the development to attract a range of buyers. Uh we will provide approximately 281 spaces, uh garage spaces, uh an additional 281 driveway spaces, and then 92 surface parking spaces, which [2:11:25, 2:11:45]: Which is a significant number of uh guest surface spaces for this type of development, uh, for a total of six hundred and fifty-four spaces throughout the uh the development. Uh to put that in context, the yak the Stockbridge UDC only requires a minimum of two point two five units, or excuse me, two point two five spaces per unit. Uh we are at three point eight. [2:11:45, 2:12:05]: Uh four spaces per unit. So quite a quite a large number of additional parking uh for guests uh in the uh in the facility. And and the reason for this is to try to curtail on-street parking, uh, which can also be controlled through the HOA. Yeah, I record uh open space, uh as I noted. [2:12:05, 2:12:25]: Earlier, we are preserving uh or providing a large amount of open space. Approximately 7.9 acres of the overall 27 acres is uh will be open space. A large portion of that is here to the northern uh part of the property. We are providing nature trails uh through this area, uh, as well as preserving a large [2:12:25, 2:12:29]: [7950.7, 7961.2]: Uh in addition, we are providing playground, dog park, a walking trail, well walking trail I mentioned, as well as around 5,600 uh square feet of uh landscape public space. [2:12:42, 2:12:44]: Uh traffic improvements uh [2:12:45, 2:12:53]: Some of the comments that came up at the Planning Commission and some of the uh comments that we've heard from the community are were in regards to traffic. [2:12:53, 2:13:11]: Four star has performed and provided a traffic study for this development. Uh that traffic study looked at the current impacts to traffic without the project and then looked at impacts to the adjacent roadways and intersections after the future build, which means after this project is built. [2:13:12, 2:13:13]: And determine that there will be no [2:13:14, 2:13:26]: drop in a level of service to the surrounding uh intersections or roadways. And what that means, a level of service is a measurement, uh engineering measurement of how well these intersections perform. Um [2:13:27, 2:13:47]: So even with the addition of our uh project, we are not looking at more cars backing up the at the adjacent intersections. Uh in addition, the traffic study also took into account the Georgia DOTU's plan widening for Highway 138 and 42. Uh Davis Road empties onto Highway 42. It's currently a [2:13:47, 2:14:07]: A an odd intersection, to say the the least. The DOT's plans are to make that into a right-only, so it will restrict left turns out from Davis Road, which should help improve uh vehicular conflicts at that intersection. [2:14:07, 2:14:27]: Also, our proposed development's construction timeline aligns with the DOT's improvements as well. The DOT should start construction or is planned to start construction in 2024. We should have our first lots ready to uh for vertical construction uh in the summer of 2025, and then uh the lots closing around. [2:14:27, 2:14:36]: Around the summer of 2027. So the improvements to highway 42 and 138 should be online by the time our units are sold. [2:14:38, 2:14:47]: Uh in addition, as I mentioned earlier, we're providing 10-foot sidewalk along the frontage, uh which allows or facilitates pedestrian movement. Uh [2:14:48, 2:15:08]: In front of our property along Davis Road, we are also installing a left turn lane, a dedicated left turn lane, as well as a diesel lane. Uh what that does not only improves movement into uh our development, but also allows through traffic uh to proceed without having to stop and wait and back up traffic along Davis Road uh for those. [2:15:08, 2:15:10]: [8111.4, 8115.0]: Uh one other concern that was mentioned by uh [2:15:15, 2:15:33]: Both the community and Mayor Pro Tem Barber was the intersection at Davis and Shields Road. We do not have control over that intersection. That's a system improvement. Uh that is something that would fall upon the city or Henry County DOT uh to improve. Uh there is a concern about how that aligns. Um [2:15:35, 2:15:51]: Century Oak Court, which is the uh duplex development to the east of our uh uh property, does not align with Shields Road, so it it results in an awkward four-way stop configuration. However, our traffic study actually looked at this intersection. Um [2:15:53, 2:16:13]: Only thirty percent of the traffic is flowing toward eastward, uh towards that intersection. The r vast majority is seventy percent is going towards highway forty two. So we should have little impact. Stand by council, are you willing to give uh Alex uh Mr. Brock their additional time to finish this presentation? Five more minutes, please. Well, we'll give'em additional time. You you the rest of the council's good with that as well? Five. [2:16:13, 2:16:27]: We'll see. We'll give right now we'll give them extra time. Sir, continue please. Okay. I appreciate that. I'm trying to cover a lot of the points that could be made in the other applications as well, but I figured first application I'm trying to hit some of these. Um [2:16:28, 2:16:48]: And I won't take the whole five minutes, but to move next to public support uh or public outreach. Uh we've had three separate mailings as required by the cities UDC. Uh well, Cities UDC only requires us to sell out one notification to the uh adjacent property owners. Uh since this has been deferred several times, we ended up having [2:16:48, 2:17:08]: having s having to send uh three separate notifications. Uh the first one on January 6th, another one on February 28th, and then uh the last one on April 10th. The only response that we received was from the adjacent owner of the uh Pine Hills Estates Mobile Home Park, uh and they were in support, and that is the letter I handed out earlier tonight. [2:17:08, 2:17:08]: Um [2:17:10, 2:17:30]: At the planning commission, uh several property owners uh showed up. Um one at the adjacent five sixty six Davis Road and then the other property owner at the corner of Shields and Davis uh that had some concerns at the urging of that body. We set up a community meeting, uh which I'd like to point out is not required by the UDC. [2:17:30, 2:17:50]: We did that as a proactive measure to meet with the community. That was held last Wednesday on May 3rd. The residents again immediately adjacent to our property were notified. We hand delivered those notifications to the uh set those at the at the property. [2:17:49, 2:18:03]: The the weekend before the meeting, uh, we had approximately eight members of the community show up to that meeting. Uh all had similar concerns regarding traffic, uh impacts to wildlife during construction. Uh a lot of typical um [2:18:05, 2:18:25]: I guess concerns that deal generally with development uh in any sort of growth uh that a community experiences. In our studies, particularly our traffic study and our site design, we've tried to address all the issues that we can control, uh monitoring traffic, how our imp how our development will impact this routing roadways, and how we can [2:18:25, 2:18:37]: uh uh fit within the community. Uh some of the issues again are system improvements we we have no control over. Uh again, that is the normal uh growth of a community. Um [2:18:38, 2:18:58]: Uh but they are concerns to the the surrounding property owners. Uh the last point or uh last two points, we are extending uh sewer from Shields Road to our site. Uh currently there is no s uh public sewer uh to our site, so we are extending sewer up to our site. These will be sewered uh properties. And then finally, just to mention four-star. [2:18:58, 2:19:18]: The Four Star is a nationwide developer of residential lots. They do quite a number of units throughout the country. And they have several in the Atlanta area. One nearby is Hampton Preserve at 103 Hampton Circle, which is a similar townhome development. And with that, I'll rest my presentation. [2:19:18, 2:19:38]: Appreciate your presentation, sir. Uh, council, any questions for Mr. Brock? Question. Oh, go ahead, Ms. Blount. Yeah, how how did you come to the the compromise to reduce the units um and to upgrade the amenities and the the whole development plan? How did you come to that conclusion? A lot of that was through discussions with uh we reached out to city council. [2:19:38, 2:19:46]: as well as staff uh prior to the public hearings uh through our through the process to hear some of the concerns early on. [2:19:47, 2:20:07]: As this body may be well aware, it's it's a lot easier to resolve issues early in the process rather than than later. Uh so we were able to take a second look at the density uh to go back and sharpen our pencils to reduce the number of units as much as we can uh to increase to allow for increased uh guest parking as [2:20:07, 2:20:27]: well as what unit what amenities we could provide. We looked at the cost of construction of a full clubhouse versus a pavilion uh and were able to provide that without impacting the HOA. A lot of these concerns also go towards what the homeowners will be paying in uh HOA fees. [2:20:27, 2:20:29]: [8430.3, 8443.6]: Well that's well that's what what I'm getting to because I'm trying to figure out how do you go from what you all originally had to the compromise because these compromise are very specific. [2:20:43, 2:21:03]: And are you these compromise? Are you dealing with the district? Um council member in that district for for the compromise. Is that correct? That's correct. Uh the clubhouse, uh the ten foot sidewalk, and uh a number of the other items came f uh specifically from our our council member through her discussions and she she has been [2:21:03, 2:21:05]: And uh community with us. [2:21:05, 2:21:06]: No. [2:21:08, 2:21:15]: Any other questions? Go ahead, Miss Barber. Thank you. As the city council district representative [2:21:15, 2:21:18]: Of the area that you all are proposing. [2:21:18, 2:21:19]: for this development. [2:21:21, 2:21:25]: I had a couple of questions for staff. Mr Ryan Anderson. [2:21:26, 2:21:34]: Ms. Carter, I wanted to know can just for the record. When was this application for this development originally submitted? [2:21:34, 2:21:36]: Uh I'm thinking in August. [2:21:37, 2:21:44]: August of last year. Yes. Thank you, sir. Oh I mean October. October. October, right, Linda? Yes, October. [2:21:45, 2:21:46]: Oh, thank you, sir. All right. [2:21:47, 2:21:47]: Okay. [2:21:49, 2:21:52]: Октоб ластєр диспатики. [2:21:53, 2:21:54]: Within [2:21:54, 2:21:55]: The county. [2:21:55, 2:21:58]: an unincorporated Henry County. [2:21:59, 2:22:00]: I spoke with [2:22:00, 2:22:03]: Юсер і алам від партнерс. [2:22:03, 2:22:04]: Early on. [2:22:04, 2:22:08]: It was prior to the approval of the annexation. [2:22:08, 2:22:09]: I just want that [2:22:10, 2:22:11]: For the record. [2:22:12, 2:22:14]: When you contacted me in regards to this, [2:22:14, 2:22:19]: It was for a proposal of two hundred and fifty something odd units. [2:22:20, 2:22:28]: I want to say for the record, I support our city's efforts in redeveloping, redeveloping our entire city. [2:22:29, 2:22:31]: I'm gonna be real transparent about that. [2:22:32, 2:22:34]: I support the efforts. [2:22:36, 2:22:40]: I also support efforts in helping to improve [2:22:41, 2:22:43]: certain areas within my district as well. [2:22:44, 2:22:47]: This particular area I inquired about. [2:22:47, 2:22:51]: Um immediately after the annexation was approved. [2:22:51, 2:22:55]: I wanted to know what we could do to improve the quality of life. [2:22:55, 2:23:00]: Of all of the residents and homeowners within my district. [2:23:02, 2:23:03]: When I spoke with you all [2:23:04, 2:23:05]: Back in October. [2:23:06, 2:23:08]: November, whenever it was, I believe October. [2:23:09, 2:23:12]: Um I asked you all at that time to reduce the amount of units. [2:23:13, 2:23:23]: I think you've reduced your amount of units twice since then, um, perhaps with further discussions with staff. [2:23:24, 2:23:26]: I also asked during the original [2:23:26, 2:23:27]: Discussion. [2:23:27, 2:23:29]: For clubhouse and pool. [2:23:30, 2:23:35]: I also asked if you all could develop single family homes instead of town homes. [2:23:36, 2:23:40]: I also ask that you all explore tiny home options. [2:23:40, 2:23:41]: As well. [2:23:42, 2:23:43]: But here we are. [2:23:43, 2:23:45]: still with a town home development. [2:23:47, 2:23:55]: I have had an opportunity over the past three weeks to get out and talk with some of the homeowners in the area. [2:23:55, 2:23:58]: Агатасе, ам диспоїд і еферс. [2:23:58, 2:23:59]: Two. [2:23:59, 2:24:00]: Communicate. [2:24:00, 2:24:04]: with the residents who live in the immediate area for this proposed development. [2:24:05, 2:24:08]: Which is why last week when I spoke with [2:24:08, 2:24:09]: The two gentlemen. [2:24:09, 2:24:17]: I ask please postpone this presentation until there is adequate notice that's given to the homeowners there. [2:24:17, 2:24:19]: I represent them. [2:24:20, 2:24:21]: Their interests. [2:24:21, 2:24:22]: Not mine. [2:24:23, 2:24:25]: I support redevelopment. [2:24:26, 2:24:27]: Throughout our city. [2:24:27, 2:24:29]: Including this area. [2:24:29, 2:24:30]: However [2:24:31, 2:24:33]: I am elected to represent. [2:24:34, 2:24:36]: The needs, desires of the people. [2:24:37, 2:24:38]: Not my own. [2:24:39, 2:24:40]: The residents who are here [2:24:41, 2:24:44]: That I've spoken with since then. [2:24:44, 2:24:46]: They are not in support of this development. [2:24:47, 2:24:48]: I wanted time to [2:24:48, 2:24:50]: Continue talking to them. [2:24:50, 2:24:53]: and addressing their concerns and their desires. [2:24:54, 2:24:57]: In fact, I believe in twenty nineteen. [2:24:57, 2:24:59]: Де вас і потишн. [2:24:59, 2:25:02]: By homeowners who live off of Shields Road. [2:25:03, 2:25:05]: They were trying to get [2:25:05, 2:25:06]: Caution lights. [2:25:07, 2:25:08]: Speed bumps. [2:25:10, 2:25:11]: Sidewalks. [2:25:12, 2:25:14]: They even got a petition. [2:25:15, 2:25:16]: With [2:25:16, 2:25:19]: I can't remember how many signatures are on that petition. [2:25:19, 2:25:21]: I have a copy of it, it's in my car though. [2:25:21, 2:25:24]: Бо the ситі газ такин но акція. [2:25:25, 2:25:27]: А вона мекшир да ім фостерин. [2:25:28, 2:25:29]: And good. [2:25:29, 2:25:31]: relationship with the folks that I am [2:25:32, 2:25:34]: Supposed to represent. [2:25:35, 2:25:36]: Thank you, sir. [2:25:39, 2:25:59]: But we have no stem stem I first of all, sir, you should not have done that. That's something that should have been gotten to the clerk or you should have been announced, or I should've acknowledged you. Number two is the time I I think the time that that that Miss Barber's talking about this, this community, I believe, was not inside the city of limits of Stockbridge. If we're talking about Yes, it is. He lives on Shields Road. Okay. It is in within [2:25:59, 2:25:59]: Yeah. [2:26:00, 2:26:04]: The city and it's been within the city. Okay. Oh go ahead. Go ahead. [2:26:04, 2:26:08]: А sent an email to my council maids um back in April. [2:26:09, 2:26:10]: And again. [2:26:10, 2:26:12]: Um just last week. [2:26:13, 2:26:26]: Letting you all know that I would not be supporting this proposed development at this time. I ask for more time. More time because I want to see our city make [2:26:27, 2:26:27]: A [2:26:28, 2:26:28]: Um [2:26:29, 2:26:30]: Farm [2:26:30, 2:26:31]: Effort. [2:26:31, 2:26:33]: in addressing the infrastructure needs. [2:26:34, 2:26:36]: I'm afraid with this proposed development. [2:26:37, 2:26:40]: That is going to increase the traffic flow on that area. [2:26:41, 2:26:42]: I know that is not [2:26:42, 2:26:43]: Your responsibility. [2:26:44, 2:26:46]: Із ситі'с репоси. [2:26:46, 2:26:53]: The misalignment of Shields Road and Davis Road is already their safety concerns. [2:26:54, 2:26:55]: Already. [2:26:55, 2:26:56]: A knee for [2:26:57, 2:26:59]: Myself and my councilmates. [2:26:59, 2:27:01]: Point of order. [2:27:02, 2:27:22]: Legal, I I need us you to chime in to make sure we're not putting ourselves in a precarious position with some of these. Um I am addressing the concerns with other residents. He had a point of order who live in standby. He had he asked for point of order. I will continue will addressing the concerns that I've addressed with the developers already. [2:27:22, 2:27:32]: I just want this on record. Okay, stand by please. I've made stand by six. Could you stand by for a second, please? Relax for a second, please. Mr. had a point of order. Uh um Mr. Washington. [2:27:33, 2:27:53]: Your point of order seem to always come when I speak. I I don't want to cut off your rights, but I want don't we get to understand that where we're some of the comments that you made may make this easier for it to be appealed. And I and I wanna make sure the decision that we're made is sound. And if we're talking [2:27:53, 2:28:07]: about traffic improvements being placed upon the developer, that's not the is a responsability of the developer. I said that is the city's responsability. [2:28:08, 2:28:09]: The city has neglected. [2:28:10, 2:28:30]: neglected improving the infrastructure in that area. Okay, step I can't support this. Stand by. Could you could you calm down for a second? Stand by for a second please. Ms. Alexander had a point of order. He's right the he's right here in front. I just need I want to make sure that you're here and you're understanding and you're listening to what's being input. [2:28:30, 2:28:50]: But I 100% support your right to be able to support your district. But I don't want us to do something that will make our put our decision in jeopardy, which is talking about improvements that need to be made before we can move forward that the city is accountable for, because what we're doing is we're putting our [2:28:50, 2:29:10]: myself in a position where we're putting, even though we're saying that these are the responsibility of the city, we're making the dis we we're I don't want you to and I don't want to put words in your mouth. You we're we're we're we're it's projecting out like these things have to be accomplished before they can move forward. And they're not their responsibility. There's the city's responsibility [2:29:10, 2:29:30]: Responsibility. So we can't hold them up because we failed to do those role projects. As you said, that was in the city. We failed on that side. But we got to keep that on our side. And we can't hold their project up. You can deny it, but you can't deny it on those grounds that those things need to be done first before they move forward. Is what I'm saying. [2:29:30, 2:29:34]: I just want to make sure you or you're listening to what's being said. [2:29:34, 2:29:35]: What the [2:29:36, 2:29:56]: The way in which we have been working with the new development code is that if something is passed and the applicant has an issue with it, then part of the discretion that the department has along the legal is if it is going to be a legal issue, we can reserve that issue and make a decision about it. [2:29:56, 2:30:16]: it and if the parties don't agree to it then we can bring it back to you all for you all to make the final call on it and so what the hope has been is that we've always been able to work with the applicants in such a way that their goals can be accomplished while at the same time making sure we as the staff work to make sure your goals are executed in this. So they can be further they can be further reviewed as long [2:30:16, 2:30:20]: as it's not substantive further review after you all have voted on it. [2:30:21, 2:30:37]: Thank you. I'm okay with what you you you represent in the district for sure. I appreciate it. I'd like to continue addressing the concerns and desires of the residents that I represent. If I could please you can continue, but don't also get an opportunity to speak. You know, get three minutes to speak in a little bit. [2:30:37, 2:30:41]: You had to stand by, sir. Just stand by f just a little bit, sir. Stand by. Go ahead, finish your comments. [2:30:43, 2:30:44]: Does Barber finish your comments? [2:30:45, 2:30:45]: Okay. [2:30:45, 2:30:46]: Um [2:30:46, 2:30:47]: So [2:30:48, 2:30:50]: The misalignment of [2:30:50, 2:30:51]: Lee um [2:30:52, 2:30:53]: Davis Road. [2:30:53, 2:30:54]: In Shields Road. [2:30:54, 2:30:55]: Um [2:30:56, 2:30:57]: Has me really concerned. [2:30:57, 2:30:58]: Considering [2:30:58, 2:31:01]: диспис диспетишн [2:31:01, 2:31:03]: For speed bumps was presented to the council. [2:31:04, 2:31:07]: January twenty nineteen. That was prior to me. [2:31:07, 2:31:18]: Um and the city has not taken any action on it. There are safety concerns there. That's one of my standby sec. What's your point of order? Uh but stand by please. What's your point of order, sir? [2:31:18, 2:31:30]: Mayor, we're here with this in front of us. We need to speak what's germane to this, not pass petitions, not pass wants and needs of a community. I I sympathize with everybody. [2:31:31, 2:31:35]: But that's not germane to what's in front of us right now, what we need to deal with. [2:31:36, 2:31:43]: This is what this is empty time that we waste. And I'm not gonna I'm I'm not belittling what they what the communities want. [2:31:44, 2:31:50]: But speed bumps and all of that has nothing to do with this development. That's not germane to what the subject at hand. [2:31:51, 2:31:54]: We need to stick to the subject at hand because for me [2:31:55, 2:31:57]: What gets convoluted for me is [2:31:58, 2:32:18]: When you when we sit here and we look at all these compromises and all these requests and all these things and the developers is uh is doing it, and now we come back and saying now we want to talk about what they've asked for privately, that's not germane to what we're talking about right here. We need to stick to the subject here. All right, all right. Understand by understand your point. [2:32:18, 2:32:34]: Is this a public hearing? It it sure is a public hearing. Okay then the public is going to address their concerns, right? I want to continue addressing my concerns at our germane to this proposed development. If you will allow me and stop cutting me off. [2:32:34, 2:32:51]: Listen. Everyone else in here is able to speak freely without interruption. I have listen, uh I'm I'm fair and equal but You're not being fair. Yes I yes I am. I have You're not. Well I'm pointing out the speaker things that this city has failed to do. I tell you what. [2:32:51, 2:33:07]: I'll tell you what you do. How about this? You go ahead and finish. No, stand by standard. I want you to hear me out. You go ahead and finish. The people will get a chance to speak, it's a public hearing. You go ahead and finish. And we'll just see what happens in the future. I understand your concern, Mr. Blount. Go ahead. Go ahead and finish your comments and then we'll continue on. Um [2:33:08, 2:33:09]: When I asked [2:33:10, 2:33:24]: that they postpone this hearing uh or postponed this hearing to a later date to notify all of the residents who are affected in the immediate area. I did not hear back from them. [2:33:25, 2:33:26]: During the planning commission meeting [2:33:27, 2:33:37]: One of the homeowners, the homeowner whose home is adjacent to this proposed development, asked for a community forum. [2:33:38, 2:33:41]: The proposed developer, they agreed. [2:33:42, 2:33:46]: They notified only those properties that are a but. [2:33:46, 2:33:47]: Two. [2:33:48, 2:33:49]: This proposed development. [2:33:50, 2:33:52]: Only those homeowners. [2:33:53, 2:33:54]: And residents. [2:33:54, 2:34:05]: in Century Oaks Duplex Town Home Community, who live on the left side of that same community. They were the only ones notified. [2:34:05, 2:34:08]: All the ones who are on the right side of the street [2:34:08, 2:34:09]: were not notified. [2:34:10, 2:34:13]: I know that because I walked through the community. [2:34:13, 2:34:17]: I saw the notices that were left by the developer. [2:34:18, 2:34:27]: on the ground, they were in ziploc bo bags with rocks, rocks in them with the notices in them. But I didn't see any of'em on the right side. [2:34:29, 2:34:33]: In addition to that, none of the residents along Shields Road [2:34:33, 2:34:39]: or the other neighborhood on the opposite side of Pine Hill's town home. [2:34:39, 2:34:41]: have been notified. [2:34:41, 2:34:47]: I just wanted to give adequate time to all of the homeowners who would be impacted. [2:34:47, 2:34:48]: by this proposed development. [2:34:49, 2:34:50]: Once again. [2:34:51, 2:34:52]: I do not [2:34:52, 2:34:53]: Um [2:34:53, 2:34:56]: Oppose of this development. [2:34:56, 2:35:02]: What I'm asking is that every developer that comes to city council district four [2:35:03, 2:35:04]: Be developer friendly. [2:35:06, 2:35:07]: Developer friendly. [2:35:08, 2:35:13]: Anytime you're looking to develop in City Council District Four, you're gonna have to see me. [2:35:15, 2:35:15]: And I will [2:35:16, 2:35:18]: Ask that you please. [2:35:18, 2:35:20]: Please work with the people. [2:35:20, 2:35:22]: Who live in that area? [2:35:22, 2:35:23]: That's all I'm asking. [2:35:24, 2:35:27]: I think I mentioned about the clubhouse and the pool. [2:35:27, 2:35:29]: I asked for that early on. [2:35:29, 2:35:32]: I know that there is areas [2:35:32, 2:35:35]: Um in the back side of this development does not [2:35:35, 2:35:36]: Bill. [2:35:38, 2:35:38]: He didn't [2:35:39, 2:35:41]: The attorney didn't address that. [2:35:41, 2:35:42]: [9342.9, 9344.1]: That area in the back. [2:35:44, 2:35:48]: I don't know if it's wetlands or whatever the case may be, but it's not buildable. [2:35:49, 2:35:55]: Um, I don't like the fact that all these homes in the middle are squeezed in like it looks as though. [2:35:55, 2:35:57]: You know, you're jamming in. [2:35:58, 2:35:59]: Um town homes. [2:36:00, 2:36:03]: I did speak with the two gentlemen on the phone last week. [2:36:04, 2:36:07]: They requested a phone call with me. [2:36:07, 2:36:10]: In which I addressed um those middle [2:36:10, 2:36:11]: Units. [2:36:12, 2:36:14]: There are five of them in the middle. [2:36:15, 2:36:18]: I even um refer to a propo well [2:36:19, 2:36:20]: A [2:36:20, 2:36:22]: Town home community that I had driven through. [2:36:23, 2:36:24]: In Tucker. [2:36:24, 2:36:26]: Um Avery Hills, I believe. [2:36:27, 2:36:31]: Um I drove through there because I wanted to see what other town home communities look like. [2:36:32, 2:36:37]: With this proposed development they're asking for a variance of a twenty five feet. [2:36:37, 2:36:38]: Set bag. [2:36:38, 2:36:39]: Our current [2:36:40, 2:36:44]: Um code requires a fifty feet setback. [2:36:44, 2:36:48]: But this proposed development is asking for a variance. [2:36:48, 2:36:49]: I wanted to verify. [2:36:50, 2:36:53]: What new town homes currently? [2:36:53, 2:36:54]: are doing. [2:36:55, 2:37:00]: And they are correct. Most town homes now do have a twenty five feet setback. [2:37:01, 2:37:06]: But that community, Avery Heels, does not have a hundred and seventy units. [2:37:08, 2:37:08]: They have [2:37:09, 2:37:11]: Less than seventy five units. [2:37:11, 2:37:12]: We looked at it together. [2:37:16, 2:37:17]: So [2:37:17, 2:37:20]: In order to get my support on this proposed development [2:37:20, 2:37:24]: There are some firm commitments I'm looking for from the city. [2:37:24, 2:37:28]: Most of the areas that have been newly annexed in our city. [2:37:29, 2:37:33]: A lot of them are in city council district four. [2:37:33, 2:37:34]: So the clever [2:37:34, 2:37:35]: Person. [2:37:35, 2:37:38]: Who drew these district lines because [2:37:38, 2:37:40]: I wasn't involved in any of that. [2:37:40, 2:37:42]: They knew exactly what they were doing. [2:37:42, 2:37:45]: You're gonna get pushback from me every time. [2:37:45, 2:37:47]: When you try to make a decision for me. [2:37:48, 2:37:50]: And force me to just go along. [2:37:50, 2:37:51]: I'm not. [2:37:51, 2:37:52]: I will [2:37:53, 2:37:57]: Always rely on what the people in the community want. [2:37:58, 2:37:59]: They have to live there. [2:38:00, 2:38:01]: I live farthest east of the city. [2:38:02, 2:38:03]: They live farthest north. [2:38:04, 2:38:24]: I think I have addressed all of the concerns. Thank you, Mayor Ford. Appreciate it. Um Ms. Rosalind, uh come on up, please, and and do what you need to do. Um and uh could you do me a favor, Rosalind? Could you get uh our make sure our attorneys present at the right here, please? Thank you. Um okay. [2:38:24, 2:38:27]: Uh thank you for that. Any other I'm sorry, Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [2:38:28, 2:38:29]: Mayor, I just want to say this. [2:38:31, 2:38:31]: Is that [2:38:32, 2:38:35]: When we have anyone come present to us. [2:38:37, 2:38:39]: I look at everything for me. [2:38:41, 2:38:46]: And I I tell you what's what what's convoluted this whole thing for me is [2:38:46, 2:38:48]: Is that the developers [2:38:49, 2:38:50]: And what's been stated. [2:38:50, 2:38:52]: has reduced the amount of [2:38:52, 2:38:54]: Holmes twice. [2:38:54, 2:38:58]: I asked the developer how did he come to the compromise? [2:38:58, 2:39:00]: And it has come from discussions. [2:39:01, 2:39:05]: Reducing the units, upgrading amenities, these all things been discussions. [2:39:06, 2:39:10]: Development plans, ten foot pad all of these things been discussions. [2:39:12, 2:39:18]: They have been discussed not by what you don't want, it's been discussed about what you want to see. [2:39:18, 2:39:20]: That's what all this is. [2:39:21, 2:39:23]: So either we're gonna waste [2:39:24, 2:39:28]: developers time and discuss these things and they make the changes [2:39:29, 2:39:35]: What's convoluted for me is is that if you don't want something, why ask someone to make changes? [2:39:37, 2:39:38]: It makes no sense to me. [2:39:39, 2:39:40]: Oh yeah. All right. [2:39:40, 2:39:51]: I thank you. Um I have uh I have a couple of yeah. Yeah, go ahead, please. Th but see, Mr. Washington, this is the position that I I'm very concerned about, which is [2:39:52, 2:39:57]: We are s we're in a position where the developer has made numerous concessions already. [2:39:58, 2:40:05]: and we're stating that we want more concessions and then we want the city to do certain things. [2:40:06, 2:40:06]: The city [2:40:07, 2:40:13]: Can't the the requirements for the city to do these things can't be attached to this development. [2:40:14, 2:40:14]: Right. [2:40:15, 2:40:35]: Right. D these requirements, that's why I'm saying mentioning them make them seem as though the city has to commit to them before this can move forward. I don't want to put us in a position, I hope that's not what's being said. Certainly that's not a position that we want to put ourselves in. But as Mr. Bunt has alluded to. [2:40:35, 2:40:55]: We've had ongoing discussions with them. So we need to get to the point of if it is going to be, if it's not going to be, you tell us what it's going to be, but what is it that you're looking to see or that you want to see? But these the these road improvements can't be a part of that. [2:40:55, 2:41:15]: Because that's not upon them in order to do that. If there's something else that you want them to do as the developer, and then you you gotta understand you asked them to reach out to the community. They're not required to do that under the city code. So they've already gone above and beyond what was required. [2:41:15, 2:41:20]: They did not have to go to they did not have to have this uh community meeting. [2:41:20, 2:41:40]: At all. They decided to have it. They did not have to go out and pass out these additional flyers to the other residents. They did. They did not pass enough for you. But again, that is a ask. That is not a tell. They have the right to say no because under city code, they're not required to do that. So what I'm saying. [2:41:40, 2:41:43]: [9704.1, 9724.1]: Time is money to the developers and to the city and to the residents as well. We don't want them to keep coming back up here if it's it to understand what it is going to happen. So we need to get to a point where is what is known to them that they gotta do what hoop they gotta jump through or what uh if this is just impossible. [2:42:04, 2:42:24]: Say that it's impossible if that's what your position is. But if there's something that they can do uh to sort of mitigate this or something the residents can do, but I want to hear from the residents. We've talked enough. You'll get that shortened. So let's let's hear from the residents. You'll get that shortening so just appreciate it. Everybody in council, uh Mr. Thomas has spoken. I didn't know if whether or not you [2:42:24, 2:42:25]: You wanted to have a comment, sir, at this time. [2:42:26, 2:42:28]: Okay, good. All right. So uh [2:42:28, 2:42:33]: That's enough for right now. Public hearing. So now I'm gonna open up for a public hearing. [2:42:33, 2:42:33]: All right. [2:42:35, 2:42:36]: Miss Barber, give me a little. [2:42:39, 2:42:40]: Yes, ma'am. [2:42:40, 2:42:46]: We have Mr. Richard Richard. Well Sam standby st s stand by m uh stand by please. [2:42:46, 2:42:56]: Let me open up public hearing. Uh in point of contention. Are we doing ten four, ten against or we're going to do the whole thing? We're doing we're we're going to open it up and I'm gonna give folks the top three three minutes to [2:42:57, 2:43:09]: Three minutes to speak. Okay. So I'm open to public hearing. So all in favor in favor of, just like the last time, and all in favor of this proposal, this development. Okay, on my far left side. Any comments for? [2:43:10, 2:43:11]: Any comments in the middle? [2:43:12, 2:43:14]: Any comments for on the right side. [2:43:15, 2:43:17]: Okay, wait a minute. [2:43:18, 2:43:19]: You have comics for? [2:43:19, 2:43:20]: For the development. [2:43:21, 2:43:41]: Okay, not in the middle, none uh anyone comments on the right side. Not on the right side. Okay, any comments against this particular proposal proposal, stand by. And I'm talking about on my far left. Okay? You need to line up on this side, please. Okay, you need line up right up here. Uh uh Kim, uh Lance, raise your hand. Okay, line up right right there in that aisle right. [2:43:41, 2:43:48]: Right next to that gentleman right there. If if you're if you're stand by. I'm talking about the left side. [2:43:49, 2:43:50]: I'm talking about the left side. [2:43:51, 2:43:56]: I just line line up right there. If the stay just just play line up, just sta establish line. All right. [2:43:56, 2:43:58]: Okay. Any anybody in the middle? [2:43:59, 2:44:00]: For a against [2:44:01, 2:44:02]: Against [2:44:03, 2:44:05]: Against the proposal. I always did four. [2:44:05, 2:44:06]: Okay. [2:44:12, 2:44:14]: I've already s asked for four. I went I went through that process. [2:44:16, 2:44:18]: I closed the floor. I went through I went through that process. [2:44:25, 2:44:33]: Okay one one second. Right now, sir, just have a seat for right. [2:44:34, 2:44:35]: Have a seat for right now. [2:44:36, 2:44:36]: All right. [2:44:37, 2:44:42]: For okay, left side, people are against. Independent, people that are against this proposal. [2:44:44, 2:44:46]: Okay, line up behind this gentleman over here. [2:44:47, 2:44:49]: On my far right side, anybody against the proposal? [2:44:50, 2:44:55]: So right now I have I have two gentlemen that are against the proposal that's being presented. [2:44:58, 2:44:59]: Against [2:44:59, 2:45:00]: Against [2:45:04, 2:45:06]: Okay, that's what I thought he said earlier. [2:45:06, 2:45:07]: Okay. [2:45:07, 2:45:13]: Anybody anybody that is against the proposal, line up over here please. [2:45:14, 2:45:14]: Now [2:45:15, 2:45:23]: When you come up, get your name and address, and you get three minutes. Three minutes. The clerk will will set the clock for three minutes. [2:45:24, 2:45:24]: Okay, Mayor. [2:45:25, 2:45:32]: Initially we went through that. I have no speakers that were in favor when you went through that. [2:45:32, 2:45:45]: I I I've realized that but seems though I don't know why I thought I was clear, but he said he's for this, so I'm gonna run come back. Okay, I will come I will come back. Okay. I will come back. All right now. [2:45:46, 2:45:53]: I I seem like I got three, maybe three people that are against, all right? Come on to the podium. Name and address. Three minutes, please, Miss Clerk. [2:45:56, 2:46:04]: My name is Mark McFry. I live at 289 Shields Road, Stockbridge, Georgia. Thank you, Mr. Ford. Go ahead. Thank you. Thank you, Council. [2:46:06, 2:46:11]: I don't think we're all against this proposal. I think what we're against is the high density. [2:46:12, 2:46:16]: You've already got rules right now in place. [2:46:16, 2:46:19]: Why change'em now just for this developer. [2:46:21, 2:46:23]: That's what I ask. [2:46:23, 2:46:25]: We're looking at quality of life. [2:46:25, 2:46:31]: You know, you putn he said he wanted two hundred and fifty something, then they dropped it down to two thirty. [2:46:31, 2:46:37]: I'm looking at that land. All right. He's got a hundred and seventy crammed in there now. [2:46:37, 2:46:39]: What were they gonna do? Just [2:46:39, 2:46:40]: Bordeaux and [2:46:41, 2:46:44]: cover up that pond and that wetlands and just build on top of that. [2:46:45, 2:46:48]: I build. I've been building for forty years. [2:46:48, 2:46:50]: I know how developers work. [2:46:51, 2:46:55]: If they can put a place in there, they'd put it in there. [2:46:55, 2:46:58]: When it was Henry County, that was their plan. [2:46:58, 2:47:00]: To put two hundred and fifty. [2:47:00, 2:47:02]: When it was City of Start Bridge. [2:47:02, 2:47:05]: It was Miss Barber that, you know, said no. [2:47:06, 2:47:10]: That's because yeah, it is a community. We're homeowners. [2:47:10, 2:47:12]: And we live adjacent to it. [2:47:12, 2:47:15]: But we're not the community. We're just part of the community. [2:47:16, 2:47:19]: All we're asking is for you to the [2:47:19, 2:47:20]: The nah. [2:47:21, 2:47:22]: High density. [2:47:22, 2:47:23]: Keep it at medium. [2:47:24, 2:47:29]: That way if any other developments come up, we're still in the medium density. [2:47:29, 2:47:30]: Zhou. [2:47:31, 2:47:34]: Now, if they wanna be in medium density, they still wanna build. [2:47:34, 2:47:41]: How many townhouses is that gonna shave off what they got now? If they're at six point whatever. [2:47:42, 2:47:54]: You know, what, maybe twenty twenty houses, maybe twenty five? I mean, I don't know that's gonna make a difference. It doesn't to us, I mean, but you know, [2:47:55, 2:48:00]: There is an issue with traffic and I think the infrastructure is too far behind. [2:48:01, 2:48:02]: For this kind of development. [2:48:03, 2:48:07]: Henry County for years has been behind. [2:48:07, 2:48:10]: Он девеління інфраструктура. [2:48:11, 2:48:16]: If the infrastructure was there, we probably wouldn't have this conversation. [2:48:16, 2:48:17]: But it's not there. [2:48:18, 2:48:27]: Just last year, year before last, they put a sidewalk next to my property. They took out all my trees that were buffers between me and that road. [2:48:27, 2:48:29]: I live on the corner. [2:48:29, 2:48:45]: I hear everything that goes on. All the loud cars, all the motorcycles, all the b horns being blown because people are running that stop sign. We do need some help. We need help for inst infrastructure. [2:48:45, 2:48:50]: And the zoning meeting that I went to and my wife went to. [2:48:50, 2:48:52]: And my neighbors went too. [2:48:52, 2:48:56]: All they were concerned with was everything from their development [2:48:56, 2:48:57]: To forty two. [2:48:58, 2:49:01]: They weren't concerned about anything going toward the city of Stockbridge. [2:49:02, 2:49:06]: Sit three minutes, sir. Thank you. Appreciate it. Next gentleman. [2:49:09, 2:49:12]: Name, address and clerk three minutes please. [2:49:13, 2:49:17]: My name is Vernard Alcorn. I'm at one nine seven Shields Road. [2:49:17, 2:49:19]: Stockworth, Georgia. [2:49:20, 2:49:20]: Uh uh. [2:49:22, 2:49:23]: As Mark has said [2:49:23, 2:49:25]: We're not against [2:49:25, 2:49:26]: Them building. [2:49:26, 2:49:29]: We're not ad against developing the area. [2:49:29, 2:49:30]: What I'm against. [2:49:31, 2:49:33]: Is there's been no notification. [2:49:33, 2:49:37]: put on my door. There's piece of property beside my house. [2:49:37, 2:49:40]: But they wanted to build something that we didn't let happen. [2:49:40, 2:49:42]: Or or or it hasn't happened. Hasn't come through. [2:49:43, 2:49:48]: Because they want to put a church in our residence without any easement or anything. [2:49:48, 2:49:50]: And traffic is already bad. [2:49:50, 2:49:56]: People are running the stop sign right there at my house. You can come down Davis Road. My house sets with the Horseshoe uh driveway. [2:49:57, 2:49:58]: One nine seven [2:49:58, 2:50:03]: I have grandkids. We play in the front yard. They're riding by. [2:50:03, 2:50:07]: Throwing trash in my yard. They're rot that's now before you even build. [2:50:07, 2:50:13]: So I just want to understand that if the city is wanting them to build something, excuse me. [2:50:15, 2:50:19]: Act on all of what hasn't been acted on before for the traffic. [2:50:20, 2:50:21]: Act on for the crime. [2:50:22, 2:50:22]: I'll say crime. [2:50:23, 2:50:24]: My house has been shot at. [2:50:25, 2:50:25]: Twice. [2:50:26, 2:50:29]: They busted up all my windows going through my house. [2:50:30, 2:50:31]: Two thousand dollars worth of windows. [2:50:32, 2:50:34]: You want more traffic. [2:50:34, 2:50:35]: coming through my neighborhood. [2:50:36, 2:50:37]: And there's nobody. [2:50:38, 2:50:39]: Coming and talkin'. [2:50:39, 2:50:40]: There's nobody. [2:50:41, 2:50:42]: Coming and asking. [2:50:42, 2:50:45]: Us the neighbors that paid [2:50:46, 2:50:48]: out of my pocket that I'm paying for now. [2:50:48, 2:50:50]: For a three hundred thousand dollar house. [2:50:51, 2:50:51]: So [2:50:52, 2:50:54]: Listen to us. [2:50:54, 2:51:01]: Give us an opportunity to hear what they got. I'm just not hearing about widening one thirty-eight, forty-two, I'm the the island. [2:51:02, 2:51:03]: I'm just not hearing that. [2:51:04, 2:51:07]: Do I have to come to a zoning meeting, Miss Work? [2:51:07, 2:51:12]: To come to a zoning meeting to hear all this, or is there gonna be a way for you all to get the information out to us? [2:51:13, 2:51:19]: But it's not good living in a neighborhood and paying taxes for a house that we're not getting the information on what's going on. [2:51:20, 2:51:22]: These people are already running down the road. [2:51:22, 2:51:24]: coming through and driving through my yard. [2:51:25, 2:51:26]: А пайфойд. [2:51:27, 2:51:29]: I shouldn't have to repair my own yard. [2:51:30, 2:51:33]: They promised me that they were gonna come and do it at the water to company. [2:51:33, 2:51:34]: And they never did. [2:51:35, 2:51:37]: So my thing to this company is to this panel is [2:51:38, 2:51:47]: Just act on the things that we've asked and that's been signed on petition that Miss Barber is trying to get across to you all that you all think is not necessary. [2:51:48, 2:51:51]: But if it was going on in your neighborhood, you'll be in my shoes. [2:51:52, 2:52:01]: All we ask is listen to her talking to us to get the information out to them on what would be suitable for us to be able to see this. [2:52:02, 2:52:03]: But the traffic [2:52:03, 2:52:04]: is gonna be horrible. [2:52:05, 2:52:09]: Y'all don't want us to talk, Mr. Albizan don't want to talk about it. It's the city's situation. [2:52:10, 2:52:11]: Лес фикс та проблем. [2:52:11, 2:52:14]: that we already have in order to bring in more. [2:52:16, 2:52:17]: I just look at it that [2:52:18, 2:52:19]: If y'all want to communicate [2:52:20, 2:52:31]: Get the information out. And let me remind everybody when you come before the poll, make sure you address the chair, which is me, please. Next next uh resident. Name and address and three minute timeline, frame, please. [2:52:36, 2:52:38]: All right, qu go ahead, ma'am. Go ahead speak, please. [2:52:39, 2:52:41]: Mary Fox, two seventy Shields Road. [2:52:41, 2:52:42]: I'm also on my lunch break. [2:52:43, 2:52:45]: Um basically I want to paraphrase. [2:52:46, 2:52:47]: I'm not here because I want [2:52:47, 2:52:49]: The traffic situation to be fixed. [2:52:50, 2:52:53]: Бо да із а ситі інфраструктура респалі. [2:52:54, 2:52:55]: It is bad right now. [2:52:56, 2:52:58]: It seems very straightforward to me. [2:52:59, 2:53:03]: That if you're increasing the population by a high density development. [2:53:03, 2:53:06]: А проблем да урейдис канат хеп. [2:53:07, 2:53:08]: But B [2:53:09, 2:53:11]: continued and exacerbated. [2:53:11, 2:53:14]: It's very simple. Don't make it high density. [2:53:15, 2:53:16]: We're not I'm not saying [2:53:16, 2:53:22]: And I think many of us are, even though we would like it in a perfect world, we're not saying fix the traffic. [2:53:23, 2:53:26]: But it's very obvious how you don't make it worse. [2:53:27, 2:53:28]: It's very simple. [2:53:28, 2:53:30]: And I had a question. [2:53:30, 2:53:32]: That's one issue. I had a question. [2:53:32, 2:53:36]: А референс войд та аксес. [2:53:37, 2:53:39]: Ас ан партиал експлуашен. [2:53:40, 2:53:42]: For why it cannot be [2:53:42, 2:53:44]: developed as single family. [2:53:46, 2:53:48]: Homes, but it can be [2:53:49, 2:53:49]: As [2:53:50, 2:53:57]: High density homes. I don't understand how you can develop it for a lot of people, but you can't develop it for [2:53:58, 2:54:00]: of lower density of population. [2:54:02, 2:54:05]: But that is my my point is that [2:54:05, 2:54:09]: If you don't fix the situation, and I'm not here to talk about traffic. [2:54:10, 2:54:10]: Clearly [2:54:11, 2:54:12]: It [2:54:12, 2:54:14]: Will make it worse. [2:54:14, 2:54:18]: if you approve it for high density, and whose responsibility is that? [2:54:19, 2:54:23]: Is it a judge's to decide on the density of the the zoning? [2:54:24, 2:54:25]: Or is it ours here? [2:54:29, 2:54:34]: We we'll handle it here, ma'am. Is that your last comment? That's it? Yes, sir. Okay. Stop the clock please, Ms uh [2:54:36, 2:54:40]: Um holida. Next next gentleman, come on up, please, sir. Name and address. [2:54:41, 2:54:48]: Council, you don't know I'd like to give this gentleman at least his three minute time frame since he seems to be the last one on the on the last one on this one uh [2:54:48, 2:54:53]: My name's Robert Schuel. Live at two fifty three Shields Road. Thank you. Go ahead for [2:54:53, 2:54:54]: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. [2:54:56, 2:55:08]: Like uh Mary just said, they're saying that nobody's gonna buy that property and put single family ho ho homes on there, but they're gonna put a hundred and seventy, but to do that they gotta get a variance. [2:55:09, 2:55:15]: I don't wanna see the variance in there. Either lower the amount of houses on there, keep the fifty feet. [2:55:16, 2:55:26]: we're taking away the green space. The water comes a lot of the water comes down across my property uh right now. And I'm afraid there's gonna be more of that. [2:55:26, 2:55:29]: The second thing I don't see on there is you've got one entrance. [2:55:30, 2:55:50]: And one exit coming out of there. You've got 170 houses, say two cars per house, possibly. Look at all those vehicles that are gonna be shooting out of there, out of one entrance. Can't they put another entrance that shoots over to Valley Hill? That would be that would be something that I would like to see. That and meet. [2:55:50, 2:55:56]: Medium density. Uh don't go with the tight density. That's all I have to say. [2:55:56, 2:56:00]: Oh thank you, so I appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. Now I'm gonna go back. [2:56:00, 2:56:03]: In reference to four this was against in reference to four. [2:56:04, 2:56:05]: Last time four. [2:56:05, 2:56:06]: Open it back up. [2:56:07, 2:56:08]: My left side. [2:56:08, 2:56:09]: Over here. [2:56:09, 2:56:10]: Four. [2:56:10, 2:56:11]: No one four. [2:56:11, 2:56:12]: In the middle. [2:56:13, 2:56:14]: If you're four, come on up. [2:56:15, 2:56:20]: And see the gentleman right there, just stand right there in the aisle. Okay. Anybody else? Four from the middle. [2:56:20, 2:56:29]: Four uh uh over here in my far right. Okay, seems like only one. Come on, sir. You name and address and you get three minutes. [2:56:31, 2:56:32]: Madam Curt, please. [2:56:32, 2:56:36]: Good evening, Mr. Mayor and City Council members. My name is Richard Ordones. [2:56:37, 2:56:56]: My wife Reba Smith Ordonis and I have lived down the street on one 12-man boulevard in District 4 for 30 years. Reba grew up at 576 Davis Road on the property being discussed tonight, of which she and her family she and her siblings still own. This evening I am speaking on behalf of her and her family. [2:56:56, 2:57:02]: Our family has deep roots in Stockbridge. Our father originally purchased his property in nineteen fifty and raised us there. [2:57:03, 2:57:09]: We understand change can be hard as we have seen a lot change in the area over the last seventy-three years. [2:57:09, 2:57:17]: Stockbridge has grown to be a welcoming and enjoyable place to live. Our parents even donated a part of their land as they felt was their civic duty. [2:57:17, 2:57:22]: So Davis Road could be paved and used to the advantage of the residents and the future of our city. [2:57:23, 2:57:26]: This was their home and they would do what they could for family. [2:57:26, 2:57:28]: Friends and the neighborhood. [2:57:28, 2:57:30]: That's what a community is all about. [2:57:31, 2:57:34]: Імажі фору фай хомс. [2:57:34, 2:57:35]: On Davis Road. [2:57:36, 2:57:39]: And one home and several chicken houses with hundreds of [2:57:40, 2:57:44]: With chicken houses with hundreds of chickens on Shields Road seven decades ago. [2:57:45, 2:57:47]: Stockbridge went from dirt roads [2:57:48, 2:57:51]: One caution light and only several homes on our street. [2:57:51, 2:58:00]: To the influx of new residents, businesses, paved roads, and the existence of Interstates 75 and 675. [2:58:00, 2:58:03]: as well as the bridge on North Henry Boulevard. [2:58:04, 2:58:06]: We grew up watching the transformation of our city. [2:58:06, 2:58:08]: Від ню трейло парк с кросса стріт. [2:58:09, 2:58:13]: Then next door to us, as well as new homes going up and down Davis Road. [2:58:13, 2:58:15]: And the surrounding countryside. [2:58:15, 2:58:19]: To the addition of multiple duplexes on Century Oaks Court. [2:58:20, 2:58:23]: These changes and developments had major impacts on our lives. [2:58:23, 2:58:26]: We were farmers and had various farm animals throughout the decades. [2:58:27, 2:58:31]: We had to contend with these changes and its effect on us and our livestock. [2:58:31, 2:58:34]: However, this was our home and we adjusted. [2:58:35, 2:58:37]: We adjusted to all these changes and [2:58:37, 2:58:41]: And welcomed our new neighbors over the decades as a community should. [2:58:41, 2:58:44]: Communities thrive with new homes and new businesses. [2:58:45, 2:58:49]: Adjustments are sometimes necessary but can be made for the benefit of all. [2:58:53, 2:59:03]: With new growth like the amphitheater, Stockbridge Police Department, and continued enhancements to our parks comes increased costs as well as traffic flow considerations. [2:59:04, 2:59:09]: It is our hope that the development of our property will allow for a quality community to be built. [2:59:09, 2:59:13]: That will not only allow more individuals and families to move to Stockbridge. [2:59:14, 2:59:18]: But also provide additional revenues to support the continued growth of our beloved city. [2:59:19, 2:59:23]: As a family, we do not have an interest in developing this property ourselves. [2:59:23, 2:59:25]: This process has been a long one. [2:59:26, 2:59:31]: And the plan before you is the result of a collaborative effort between the applicant and stakeholders in the city. [2:59:32, 2:59:35]: I know our coun our councilwoman, Miss Barber. [2:59:35, 2:59:39]: Would agree that Stockbridge is a wonderful place to live and raise a family. [2:59:39, 2:59:45]: And as the city's mayor pro temp, I know she stands ready to serve and represent all of her constituents. [2:59:45, 2:59:47]: In her district, as well as residents of Stockbridge. [2:59:48, 2:59:49]: We appreciate this. [2:59:50, 2:59:52]: And are here tonight as your constituents. [2:59:52, 2:59:53]: And neighbors. [2:59:54, 2:59:57]: To ask this council for your support and approval of this project. [2:59:58, 3:00:01]: Thank you for the opportunity to present our family. [3:00:02, 3:00:03]: Our history in Stockbridge. [3:00:04, 3:00:11]: and our desire to see our parents' land and legacy be used for the continued growth and success of the city of Stockbridge. [3:00:12, 3:00:19]: Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, that we got four and against. I'm now gonna close the public hearing. All right. [3:00:19, 3:00:24]: Now it comes down to point unless there are any last little comments from the council. I'm like Yes sir. [3:00:25, 3:00:27]: Yeah, I just wanna make this comment. Um [3:00:29, 3:00:35]: Because I'm I'm hearing that you got people that are not against it, um and it wasn't informed. [3:00:36, 3:00:40]: That can be taken care of when you talk about infrastructure. There's a plan in place. [3:00:41, 3:00:42]: We talk about concerns. [3:00:43, 3:00:45]: Well there's something was passed around by speed bumps. [3:00:46, 3:00:50]: If you all sign a petition for speed bumps, I'm promising you this. [3:00:51, 3:00:53]: If you sign a petition for speed box. [3:00:54, 3:00:56]: And everything is lined up in order. [3:00:56, 3:01:02]: Your district representative, no matter what district you're in, can make that happen. It doesn't have to be here. [3:01:03, 3:01:06]: It can be behind closed doors. They can make that happen. [3:01:06, 3:01:17]: Because there's a process that you do, and once you do that process, you hold us accountable for making that process that you did come to fruition. It can happen. [3:01:18, 3:01:19]: We can't b [3:01:20, 3:01:22]: My biggest concern is here. [3:01:22, 3:01:24]: Із данs [3:01:25, 3:01:30]: The concerns and conditions have all been satisfied. [3:01:30, 3:01:35]: with this. I didn't talk to the developer one time because I leave that to the district. [3:01:36, 3:01:37]: Um [3:01:37, 3:01:39]: Uh who whoever's over whatever district. [3:01:40, 3:01:41]: When development is coming to the area. [3:01:43, 3:01:44]: But when you have [3:01:45, 3:01:49]: Conditions asked for and they're done. [3:01:50, 3:01:53]: It handcuffs us, it handcuffs me. [3:01:54, 3:01:55]: And making a decision. [3:01:56, 3:01:59]: Будис бюстин ассві. [3:02:01, 3:02:11]: You don't add water and something happen, but if you're doing something in the right way, if you want speed bumps and I think it's sixty percent of the community or homeowners say they want it, and everything is done to petition. [3:02:12, 3:02:14]: А промісю, і кін хапи. [3:02:16, 3:02:19]: And if you do it the right way, I'm not in your district. [3:02:19, 3:02:22]: Write all of us and say John Blount told a lie. [3:02:24, 3:02:24]: Mm-hmm. [3:02:25, 3:02:31]: But I'm trying to tell you things that you want in your community, if it's done the right way, it happens. [3:02:32, 3:02:43]: But I don't sit with developers if I don't want that development to ask them for any conditions or anything to happen or or any compromises. And that's what I'm I'm dealing with right here. [3:02:45, 3:02:51]: All right. We've had a lot of discussion. Yes. I'm gonna go Mr. Thomas. Go ahead, sir. [3:02:51, 3:02:52]: Thank you. [3:02:52, 3:02:53]: Um [3:02:53, 3:02:59]: I want the the citizen here to know that I I I grew up here in the city of Stockbridge and [3:02:59, 3:03:19]: I know quite a few residents in that area, and you all may know Mrs. I still call her Mrs. Mays. She's Mrs. Cobb, uh, Mr. John Mosley, Mr. Don Gordon. But I've known Mrs. Mays for for many, many, many years. And and I have worked with a number of citizens. [3:03:19, 3:03:31]: in that area uh on many concerns. So I do sympathize uh with this particular neighborhood. And I and I just want to commend you. [3:03:31, 3:03:34]: for doing what you do because [3:03:35, 3:03:39]: This is what I encourage citizens to do all the time. [3:03:39, 3:03:43]: to come forward and let your voices be heard. [3:03:44, 3:03:45]: Because [3:03:45, 3:03:50]: Even though we have just gone into the districts in January. [3:03:51, 3:03:53]: But we represent this whole city. [3:03:55, 3:03:56]: I would [3:03:56, 3:03:57]: I would've you know [3:03:58, 3:04:05]: I don't have a problem in that council person who represent that district to lead that discussion. [3:04:05, 3:04:08]: But I'm concerned about this whole city. [3:04:09, 3:04:18]: And when you all come out as citizens, and like you say, I grew up here, I've heard, you know, you you've been here thirty years, twenty-five years, et cetera. [3:04:18, 3:04:20]: That means a lot to me. [3:04:20, 3:04:28]: That means a lot to me. And so make no mistake and don't be discouraged about not coming. [3:04:28, 3:04:44]: and raising your voice here, signing petitions. I commend y'all continue to do that and and and I hear you. I hear you. Even though it's not my particular district, but we all here have to vote. So [3:04:44, 3:04:46]: I'm about this whole city. [3:04:47, 3:04:54]: I I don't have a fragmented vote. When I vote, I vote for the total city. [3:04:54, 3:04:59]: and what is good for the total city. And what is good for one particular neighborhood. [3:05:00, 3:05:17]: It's good for another neighborhood. So again, I I just want to thank you all for coming and continue to come. Don't shy away, don't hesitate. Whatever that decision is here, you continue to let your voices be heard because that's what you're supposed to do. Because all my life [3:05:17, 3:05:23]: I've I've I've haven't always been on this side. I've been on that side as well. And trust me. [3:05:24, 3:05:26]: My voice was heard and [3:05:26, 3:05:28]: And I just again thank you for coming. [3:05:30, 3:05:46]: A couple of points. I have a couple of comments and it is customary to allow the applicant to respond to some of the concerns now they've heard them. But I did I'm a little I just want to understand something. You s sir, you spoke for the group, but this is the entire family here? [3:05:47, 3:05:52]: No, this is not the entire not the entire family, but this is the family members. [3:05:53, 3:05:54]: Okay. [3:05:56, 3:05:57]: Mm-hmm. [3:05:57, 3:06:07]: I just wanna understand who we're speaking for. Okay, we're gonna we're gonna make this a deception. So could you come back to the podium please? [3:06:12, 3:06:15]: Okay, uh better yet? Okay. Let's we'll stop right there. [3:06:15, 3:06:28]: Do counsel, do you would you like for him to come back and and speak and finish his comments? I'm fine with that. Thank you for asking, Mayor. Yes. Thank you. Go ahead, please, sir. Sir, I just wanna understand. You you you here are you here alone or you sir other people here with you? [3:06:28, 3:06:29]: I [3:06:29, 3:06:49]: I married into the family that owned the property, my wife, Reba, her sister-in-law, her husband, and two of the two of the um children of of another owner, Mr. Ralph Smith, who is deceased, and then there's another member of the family who owned the property. There were four children in the property. And excuse me. [3:06:49, 3:07:09]: They're all scattered throughout Stockbridge, but um they have lived here all their lives. They grew up on that property. Okay. I mean just forever, it seems like. I I just wanted to understand that you know we had the for and against, we had a bunch of people here, but they didn't get up. So you you but you you spoke in in reference to for the family. [3:07:09, 3:07:29]: because we wanted just one presentation. We know it would be a little overwhelming and stuff, but they all support what I said and they all support the sale and the property of this property. And they all support this community. They support what's going on in this community, what's been going on in this community. We appreciate what the council has done as far as fixing roads, traffic concerns, what you're doing down the road here. [3:07:29, 3:07:49]: You know, that the changes, the additions, all of this is important to us because we've lived here or they've lived here all their lives. I've been here for 30 years, you know, just down the street at Man Boulevard. So we've seen a lot of the changes and we appreciate the changes. We understand there's situations when you have changes that we need to [3:07:49, 3:08:09]: To come together as a council, as a community, and fix these changes and grow for us. This is us, this is who we are, this is you who you are. And we all believe in these things together. And to make something like this go forward, we believe is going to be beneficial. But not only is it beneficial to the city as far as financial and more people coming into the city and [3:08:09, 3:08:24]: Going to these new places you propose as far as these businesses that you want to bring into the city that you mentioned. We need people to come in here and be a part of that and support these businesses. But not only that, but it's a legacy to my wife and her family. [3:08:24, 3:08:44]: This is their home. This is where they grew up. Seventy-three years ago, her father bought the property and they've been here ever since. Thank you. I appreciate those uh comments. Uh and sir, thank you very much. What's the other concern, sir? Uh the other the other one I just wanted to say to the gentleman who said I didn't care about the traffic. That's not true. [3:08:44, 3:09:04]: What I said was we couldn't make that determination inside the decision that we were making. I've been on trying to pursue$750 million in improvements since the day I was elected to try to widen every road around here. Unfortunately, we can't widen all of them, and some of them have to be prioritized. [3:09:04, 3:09:24]: But certainly Davis Road should uh go on that list uh in order to prove it and to make it, but we cannot place that burden upon the developer at this particular point. But what I would like to see or hear is it's customary for the applicant to come back up. They've made some uh they've made some [3:09:24, 3:09:35]: some assertions. So uh would you there maybe there's some answers for some of those assertions. All right come on back up Mr. um back Brock. I'm sorry, Mr. Brock, please. [3:09:39, 3:09:44]: Mayor, members of the council, thank you for uh allowing me a rebuttal. Uh [3:09:45, 3:09:53]: I was trying to take notes as much as I could during uh the public comment. So I'd like to address uh there's some underlying themes I'd like to address one at a time. [3:09:54, 3:10:14]: Uh the first was notification. Uh Mayor Pro Tem Barber mentioned that as well. Uh why we only identified the properties adjacent to us. That is required by the Stockbridge UDC to send out uh notifications to the property owners uh abutting the property. When we held the community meeting, we followed those same requirements, even though we were not required to hold that meeting or [3:10:14, 3:10:25]: To send out notifications, uh, we had to follow some sort of guidelines of who to notify, otherwise it would have been an arbitrary decision to either expand or contract that uh uh [3:10:25, 3:10:30]: the the properties that were notified. Uh so we did follow some guidelines to that. [3:10:31, 3:10:32]: Uh [3:10:33, 3:10:53]: High density. Uh there was some uh a couple of comments from the public that uh they supported the uh development, but not at high density. Uh they wanted to see medium density. I'd like to reiterate our proposed density is six point one eight units per acre. Uh again, there's a quirk in the UDC that limits medium density for [3:10:53, 3:11:06]: From two to three point six, and then there's a gap until six. In order to drop that to just below six units per acre, we would drop from 170 to 165 units. That's that's a drop of five units. Uh in our uh [3:11:08, 3:11:28]: Revisiting a re redesign of the project throughout uh this process since last August, last October, when we submit these applications. We have taken a very sharp look at how we can reduce the units, and that's how we've come to the 170 that we're at tonight. We're not asking asking to max out the density of the [3:11:28, 3:11:39]: Development at 16 units per acre or anything even close to that. We're at the very bottom limit of the high density residential. Um, and that again is just due to the quirk uh of how the [3:11:39, 3:11:42]: Comprehensive plane defines high density, medium density, residential. [3:11:44, 3:12:04]: Uh traffic improvements and also uh the request to postpone this meeting. Um these kind of go hand in hand. There's a number of uh comments regarding the improvement of the intersection of Davis and Shields Road. Again, that is a system improvement. Uh as it was noted, uh these uh uh [3:12:04, 3:12:24]: Issues have been present in the past long before we submitted this application, long before we've uh came along for this development. It is an existing problem with the community, but it's something that the city must handle. It is a system improvement. We can control what's in front of our property. We are improving Davis Road in front of our property. [3:12:24, 3:12:33]: We're adding a left turn lane, we're adding uh deacceleration lanes to facilitate traffic movement along the front edge of our property, but we cannot we have no authority to [3:12:33, 3:12:35]: uh improve anything outside of that. [3:12:37, 3:12:37]: Uh [3:12:39, 3:12:59]: Some of the other uh reasons that were brought up uh uh with these traffic improvements, Mayor Pro Tem Bar uh Barber mentioned that she wanted a commitment from this from the city on some of these system improvements uh uh so that in the future these these issues are corrected and asked us to postpone in order to make a decision on that. Uh [3:12:59, 3:13:19]: She also asked us to postpone while the city looks at the uh rewriting of the comprehensive uh plan. Both those uh asks are very long-term. Uh staff got up earlier and mentioned that the comprehensive plan is at least six to eight months out. I think that's a very conservative estimate. Uh most municipalities. [3:13:19, 3:13:21]: Most jurisdictions take longer than that to the [3:13:21, 3:13:41]: Both draft and adopt a new comprehensive plan update. Uh these traffic improvements are likely more years out. Uh so postponing the meeting for 30 days would not have have solved any of these issues. We've been in talks with the city since August on our design on [3:13:41, 3:14:01]: And what we can do to address some of the concerns that the city has. We feel that we have tried to address all the concerns as best as we can. Other concerns that you've heard tonight came up at the Planning Commission meeting two weeks ago. But again, a lot of those are system improvements that we have no control over. [3:14:01, 3:14:17]: Um so with that, uh the staff has recommended approval of this application, Planning Commission recommended approval of this application. We we recommend that you uh approve as well. Thank you. All right, just your last question, sir. Um Ms. Thompson go ahead, Ms. Thompson. Um [3:14:18, 3:14:26]: I just want to ask this question because it seems that with both sides the issue is density. Um [3:14:27, 3:14:30]: Are the developers willing to [3:14:31, 3:14:36]: from high to medium, i are you are willing to even consider the density issue? [3:14:37, 3:14:53]: I know I know you just spoke on it, but I just wanted to ask this question. Again, it through our redesign of the property, we've dropped it as much as we can uh down to one seventy. Uh in order to get below the six units per acre, we would have to drop it another five units. Um [3:14:54, 3:15:14]: I don't know what that solves for the city. Again, that wouldn't fit us into the medium density residential, which is capped at 3.6 units per acre. Uh, that would not make development of this property feasible. When you say feasible, it's so it's really about finances. Well, the cost that goes into improving the property versus um in the cost of the land versus [3:15:13, 3:15:27]: versus what uh uh we would be able to develop it for. Uh we would not be able to uh market the property uh uh if we were had if we had to drop it down to three point six or two two units per acre. [3:15:28, 3:15:32]: Okay. Well that that that's sort of my concern'cause that's [3:15:32, 3:15:45]: My role here is to try to satisfy the citizen and move the city forward as well. And it seems that both sides will be okay [3:15:46, 3:15:47]: Uh if we could [3:15:48, 3:16:03]: uh do something about the density issue. And so that's sort of where I am. And and maybe Mrs. Cart, maybe that conversation could could go a little deeper with that. [3:16:03, 3:16:08]: This may not be the proper platform to get into that discussion, but [3:16:08, 3:16:10]: If we could [3:16:10, 3:16:14]: compromise on that, I I think we can sort of get this done. [3:16:15, 3:16:35]: I'm um so then I'll be brief. So the comprehensive plan, the reason why we're going through the update this year is because we do realize we do have some issues there that have just been in play the last, you know, five years. We want to make sure that we create a density that is um [3:16:35, 3:16:55]: It more in tune with what the city, what range the city wants to go in, what other cities, our size and type of infrastructure it will go into. And yes, I do agree as a professional planner that having a high density that starts at six units per acre and up leaves you with. [3:16:54, 3:17:14]: Very little to do as far as high density, but then even more so, the medium density only ending at 3.6 units is is a little bit tight and something for us to look at. For clarification, the applicant was required of the Planning Commission to have their meeting with the community. [3:17:14, 3:17:34]: That was a requirement per the Planning Commission. So it it wasn't something they did on their own. It was a requirement to move forward before this hearing. So yes, there are options that the council has. We will work through the changes for the comprehensive plan. [3:17:34, 3:17:45]: over the next six months. That will be adopted by the Planning Commission and the City Council by October of this year, which is required as a state mandate for us. [3:17:46, 3:17:50]: So uh you have the option to cap the density. [3:17:50, 3:17:56]: You have that option because high density goes up to sixteen units. It is at the discretion of the council. [3:17:56, 3:18:05]: to cap it at a certain density, at the requested or another, what whatever you all have the desire to do. And that's how you manage the density piece. [3:18:07, 3:18:10]: Good. I'm I'm gonna make sure Mr. Thomas is done. [3:18:11, 3:18:31]: Am um I I'm still I'm still not at that point because again I I I'm trying to get to a resolution and and and what I fear from the group and both sides is that if we could get to that density issue, the compromise, I I I think we can sort of go forward. But based on what [3:18:31, 3:18:37]: When I'm here and I don't think we're there, okay well we we may have a resolution. [3:18:39, 3:18:44]: M Mayor Ford. Go right here, sir. I w I will yield to to the gentleman. Okay, Mr. Brock. [3:18:45, 3:18:59]: Yes, after uh conferring with uh four star you know, we're immutable if uh this body would like to add a condition to cap the density at six units per acre. Uh that would be what's comparable to what I believe what the city is proposing for medium density under their comprehensive plan rewrite. [3:19:00, 3:19:02]: Okay. So Mayor Ford, so [3:19:02, 3:19:07]: I was gonna say, so if you go six units, what does that give the total amount of units for the for the project? [3:19:09, 3:19:29]: What may have four. 164. All right, go ahead. So I I I wanted to know then what what would the uh citizens saw to be satisfied with that? And I guess I wanted to try to get some vibration from the citizen. Well cause that seemed to be a compromise. [3:19:29, 3:19:49]: see how I could make my vote. Yeah, we t we're getting they're just they're just my position. Okay, got it. I appreciate it. Yes, sir. Well so technically where we at Miss uh Miss Carter, will you come back can we get Miss Carter come back to the podium? Um Bracker. Oh I did see I didn't see you John [3:19:49, 3:19:50]: You talking weight. [3:19:51, 3:19:57]: Go ahead, Ms. Stand by. Mr. stand by. Okay, no problem. Ms. Carter, stay there. Go ahead, Mr. Blount. [3:19:57, 3:20:00]: M Ms Carter, so it was at sixteen. [3:20:01, 3:20:14]: It's sixteen is what what was allowed and you and we gotta work on that. And you guys brought it down to six points something. And the reason that they fell into that category is because high density starts at six units to the acre and goes all the way up to sixteen. [3:20:15, 3:20:26]: Where in most jurisdictions it's considered a medium density instead of high density. So if you bring it down to six, then that's the third compromise on how many units you're building. Is that correct? [3:20:27, 3:20:29]: Right. It will be. [3:20:30, 3:20:30]: Yeah. [3:20:32, 3:20:37]: Okay. Sir. So technically the city code says six point one [3:20:39, 3:20:40]: Well how density is a six. [3:20:41, 3:20:54]: Well, it starts at six and goes up to sixteen units, say. So the six point one does fall within high density residential. The six is does the six fall into high density or it does. Uh but what we would likely do is [3:20:54, 3:21:14]: per per the process for the comprehensive plan amendment is look at that and s and probably we would likely cap it at six for medium density and then anything beyond that. So so okay, okay. I'm I was a little confused. So once the change is made, six will actually be medium density? That is a possibility. That's up to the council to approve that we don't look at [3:21:14, 3:21:34]: Be customary to what surrounding jurisdictions are doing. Correct. It would be. So in other words, what you're saying is our high density is really very low compared to the Yes, it's the limit is low. The the top of it is, you know, considerable, but um starting at six for high density. [3:21:34, 3:21:37]: density is pretty low. [3:21:37, 3:21:56]: Okay, so th as Mr. Blount said, so this will be a third cut in the number of units. So they went from what, two fifty two thirty five two thirty five to one hundred seventy that's being presented tonight and now one sixty four if the cap is at the six units to the acre. And you're okay with the cap, sir. Y'all are okay with the cap? [3:21:56, 3:21:57]: Okay. [3:22:00, 3:22:06]: It just to clarify, yeah, six units to the acre. Six units to the acre. However many that comes out to be. Whatever it comes out to be. [3:22:07, 3:22:13]: Which I believe may be one sixty five, but so that's an additional cut. Uh that's an additional cut, right? [3:22:15, 3:22:16]: Okay, I'm done. [3:22:18, 3:22:20]: Ms you just good. Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [3:22:20, 3:22:21]: Thank you. [3:22:22, 3:22:24]: Just for public knowledge. [3:22:26, 3:22:30]: This proposal we have to consider it based on [3:22:30, 3:22:31]: A current. [3:22:31, 3:22:33]: Plan, is that correct, Miss Carter? [3:22:35, 3:22:38]: Thank you. If you'll take the microphone because I have a couple of questions. [3:22:38, 3:22:39]: That I need for you to confirm. [3:22:41, 3:22:46]: So one to two units per acre is what's considered low density. That's correct. [3:22:47, 3:22:53]: Two to three point six units is what we consider medium density. Yes. [3:22:55, 3:23:00]: Six to sixteen units per acre is what we consider high density. That's correct. [3:23:02, 3:23:03]: There is a gap. [3:23:03, 3:23:04]: And the gap is [3:23:05, 3:23:06]: Три посев юніт [3:23:07, 3:23:09]: To five point nine юніт про екер. [3:23:10, 3:23:11]: That is our gap. [3:23:12, 3:23:12]: Correct. [3:23:14, 3:23:16]: I want to make sure that the [3:23:17, 3:23:19]: Um developer understands. [3:23:20, 3:23:21]: It's between that gap. [3:23:22, 3:23:23]: Is what [3:23:24, 3:23:25]: The residents would like to see. [3:23:26, 3:23:30]: The three point seven units per acre is on the low end. [3:23:31, 3:23:33]: The five point nine units per acre. [3:23:33, 3:23:34]: Is on the high end. [3:23:35, 3:23:36]: Is the gap. [3:23:37, 3:23:37]: That gap. [3:23:38, 3:23:40]: Is what will satisfy [3:23:40, 3:23:41]: The residents here. [3:23:42, 3:23:44]: We have to consider your application. [3:23:44, 3:23:45]: Based on a current [3:23:46, 3:23:49]: The current plans that we have. [3:23:49, 3:23:53]: Not what staff is gonna bring to us in six, eight months. [3:23:54, 3:23:57]: And I don't want anybody to be confused leaving here. [3:23:58, 3:24:01]: So let's be let's be transparent about what we're doing here. [3:24:02, 3:24:02]: Um [3:24:06, 3:24:10]: The attorney he did not address or maybe I missed it. [3:24:10, 3:24:15]: He didn't address the back end of this development, nor did the [3:24:15, 3:24:20]: Homeowner, they didn't address the back end of this development that is unbable. [3:24:20, 3:24:21]: Is that correct? [3:24:22, 3:24:23]: Miss Carter, are you able to [3:24:25, 3:24:41]: Yes, the the rear of the property, um, the north arrows kinda if you tilt it up, then that's the north side, the northernmost part and what you see on your screen is the westernmost part, which there's a a major portion of the property that cannot be built within. [3:24:41, 3:24:47]: Okay. Can you tell why it cannot be built? Um there's floodplain and state borders. Thank you. [3:24:48, 3:25:05]: One of the other things with the clubhouse, I don't think they addressed the pool. With every new development coming to City Council District 4, I am gonna be asking for Clubhouse and Pool be included. [3:25:05, 3:25:05]: Um [3:25:07, 3:25:09]: He didn't address that. [3:25:09, 3:25:10]: Um [3:25:15, 3:25:21]: I will ask because we know just b it's just the four of us here who'll be voting today. [3:25:21, 3:25:24]: And just based on the conversations we've been having over an hour. [3:25:25, 3:25:28]: We're not gonna get the votes to support [3:25:29, 3:25:39]: Or deny. You don't know that until we take we take the actual vote, Mayor Pro Tem. We'll take an actual vote and then we'll find out for real. Based on the conversations that have been had here. [3:25:39, 3:25:43]: What I'd like to ask is that the developer [3:25:43, 3:25:44]: Um [3:25:44, 3:25:49]: Let's continue the discussions in regards to this proposed development. [3:25:49, 3:25:53]: Again, I support the redevelopment efforts of our city. [3:25:53, 3:25:59]: I just want to make sure that the residents um in the area who are in who will be [3:25:59, 3:26:00]: Impacted. [3:26:00, 3:26:02]: Um have a say so in this. [3:26:03, 3:26:06]: I cannot support it at this point, even with the [3:26:07, 3:26:09]: five unit reduction that you all just [3:26:10, 3:26:11]: Mentioned. [3:26:12, 3:26:13]: Ten. [3:26:13, 3:26:16]: Whatever it I can't support that. I'm sorry. [3:26:17, 3:26:18]: Okay, sir. [3:26:19, 3:26:21]: I'm sorry now? Yeah, good. You d you dumb Miss Marvel. [3:26:22, 3:26:24]: Let me just say this. [3:26:24, 3:26:27]: We started out at two hundred and something. [3:26:28, 3:26:48]: We got almost all the way to where you want to go. We're this close to where you want to go. There's not there's what to go below six, we talk about four or five more units basically, in order to go below six. We're at six. Now they've agreed to come all the way down from [3:26:48, 3:26:53]: from where they were to six at this point. Uh we agreeable with the pool. [3:26:56, 3:27:15]: Yes, we went back af after that was brought up uh last week or uh a few weeks ago we gotta have a pool. I can't vote for none without a pool. Yep. We have I was just gonna say that we went back and looked at our HOA cost, how much that would uh increase and we we can fit that in. We can add a pool. [3:27:17, 3:27:34]: I of this at this at this point it's just like again, we've asked for so much at this point and we've got all the way down to six. We've got a long way to go. But in the interim certainly that doesn't close the conversation, Mayor Pro Tem. The conversation can actually continue. [3:27:35, 3:27:50]: post today, even though i if we do decide to move forward we don't, but it just they I'm with Mayor I'm with Councilman Thomas. They've I I thought that's what the residents heard. I listened to what the residents said. I listened to what you said [3:27:50, 3:27:56]: We've gotten dramatic cuts already. We've gotten another what, nine, ten. How many is that? [3:27:56, 3:28:03]: Five units down to get below six. To get below I'm saying no, I'm saying we're at the six now. We went from one seventy five to one [3:28:04, 3:28:13]: One sixty five. One sixty five. So we just cut one seventy to one sixty five one seventy one seventy to one sixty five. Right. So now we d that got us down to six. [3:28:13, 3:28:16]: It just below six, yeah. Just b just [3:28:16, 3:28:27]: I guess fractions of a whatever ever below six. But it got you to below six. So it's kinda it's like, man, what else can we do? We got the pool. [3:28:28, 3:28:28]: Um [3:28:31, 3:28:51]: Besides no, sir, you're out of line. No, no, you gotta be quiet now. Because you can't talk from back there, sir. Let me say that let me say this as well. We're certainly committed to improving traffic in all of these areas. Certainly, I was went to every one of the meetings where GDOT was concerned in order to get highway four. [3:28:51, 3:29:05]: 42 widen and as a part of Highway 42 being widened, you know where that bottleneck is, right there beside Walmart. The road is actually gonna be moved. It's gonna be moved further to the um [3:29:06, 3:29:07]: Further to the north. [3:29:07, 3:29:20]: away from where that intersection is. So they won't be right there at the traffic light. That's a part of what one of the improvements. So that's one one of the things is gonna happen. The road is going to be moved over to the right hand side. [3:29:20, 3:29:35]: more toward away from that intersection so those two roads aren't close together so it will be easier to come out. I was at the zoning meeting because we asked for ten foot multi-use paths, we asked for new street lights, we asked for new um [3:29:36, 3:29:45]: Pope like the black signal holders that we have here at City Hall, we ask for those too. Those are the things that have gone forward in order to do that. I [3:29:45, 3:29:59]: At this point, I I don't know. I'm I'm I'm gonna le I I think that we should move forward with it at this point. And I you know, I was hesitant as in i but you know when Mayor uh Councilman Thomas said, you know, it's about the whole city. [3:29:59, 3:30:19]: It really is about the whole city. We want to be developer friendly or community business friendly and community friendly. We brought the two sides together. Nobody's ever gonna be happy a hundred and percent with what happens. I know they're not happy with going down to 165. I know y'all are not happy with uh [3:30:19, 3:30:26]: Uh at with one sixty five, but that's what compromise is all about. You gotta meet somewhere in the middle at some point. [3:30:26, 3:30:38]: I'm done. All right, so we pl had plenty of conversations already been noted. So on that note, uh need a motion uh to accept or or reject this um this proposal. [3:30:38, 3:30:39]: I need a motion. [3:30:40, 3:30:47]: Mayor Ford? Yes, Mayor. I'd like to make a motion to um table um this proposal. [3:30:49, 3:30:51]: Okay. Is there a second? [3:30:52, 3:30:53]: I second. [3:30:53, 3:30:56]: All right, it's been a second. All in favor, please indicate. [3:30:57, 3:30:59]: W qu what question do you have, sir? [3:30:59, 3:31:00]: So what to what date? [3:31:03, 3:31:04]: Thirty days. [3:31:07, 3:31:27]: It depends. Um I have to ask'em developers. I need to have a conversation. You can't have'em waiting indefinitely. How within sixty days. I'd like to table this proposal for sixty days to come back to the council um our July council meeting. [3:31:29, 3:31:47]: All right. Second up. Are they okay with that? Let's see if they no, we're in the middle of voting. We can ask for a discussion any time. We're in the middle of voting. I just want to know time out folks, time out. You're asking him to come back up to the podium to see. To ask whether they're okay with what you just asked for. Hold stand by. Stand by [3:31:47, 3:31:52]: We don't need to ask him if it's okay for us to table the item. [3:31:52, 3:31:53]: Stand by. [3:31:54, 3:31:59]: You you let's let's go through this again. You you're you made an amendment to your original proposal. [3:32:00, 3:32:04]: Right? State restates your amo uh amendment. [3:32:04, 3:32:08]: And with the title proposal, make sure we got a second and then we'll go into discussion. [3:32:10, 3:32:13]: Therefore it I'd like to make a motion. [3:32:13, 3:32:15]: To table item number nine. [3:32:16, 3:32:18]: The comprehensive plan amendment case number [3:32:18, 3:32:21]: CP dash two zero two two. [3:32:21, 3:32:22]: Dash zero six. [3:32:22, 3:32:26]: Consideration of a comprehensive plan amendment request [3:32:26, 3:32:30]: to assign the future land use designation of property located [3:32:30, 3:32:32]: At five seven six Davis Road. [3:32:33, 3:32:34]: Parcel. [3:32:34, 3:32:44]: Number S O five O one zero zero two zero zero zero to high density residential to allow for the construction of a town home development. [3:32:46, 3:32:47]: Okay, you have no days in that. [3:32:50, 3:32:54]: To be brought back to the council at our July council meeting. [3:32:56, 3:32:59]: All right. Is there a second to that motion? [3:33:01, 3:33:04]: Is there a second to that motion? [3:33:05, 3:33:07]: I hear no second. That the motion fails. [3:33:08, 3:33:09]: Mr. Alexander, you have something on your mind? [3:33:11, 3:33:31]: I just I I wanna know from Mayor Pro Tem, what is it that you wish to accomplish with the delay? What is it that you hope to accomplish in that time that you're asking for the delay, which you may be entitled to? What is it that you hope to accomplish additionally than what you already have? [3:33:32, 3:33:36]: That's a question for me. Can I answer Mayor Ford? Yes. Yes you can. Okay. [3:33:37, 3:33:39]: As I said at the beginning of the meeting. [3:33:39, 3:33:41]: I would like to allow more time. [3:33:42, 3:33:45]: Тю так вид олада хомор. [3:33:45, 3:33:46]: In the area. [3:33:47, 3:33:50]: So that they are aware of this proposed development. [3:33:51, 3:33:52]: We need their input. [3:33:54, 3:33:57]: І знову реазеновоти. [3:33:57, 3:34:01]: Those homeowners whose properties abut [3:34:01, 3:34:03]: This proposed development. [3:34:04, 3:34:05]: In century oh three [3:34:06, 3:34:10]: Duplex community, only the left side of the community was notified. [3:34:11, 3:34:13]: None of the homes on the right side. [3:34:15, 3:34:16]: So I would like [3:34:17, 3:34:17]: More time. [3:34:18, 3:34:20]: To communicate with those residents. [3:34:20, 3:34:23]: Who live in that area who's gonna be impacted by this. [3:34:24, 3:34:26]: That is a request that I made of the propos. [3:34:26, 3:34:28]: The developer [3:34:28, 3:34:29]: Last week. [3:34:29, 3:34:30]: And at the start of this meeting. [3:34:31, 3:34:40]: Thank you. Sir. Yes, go ahead, Mr. Sir. Let me so you have to understand they don't have to agree to that. That's not required in the code. [3:34:40, 3:34:53]: They um that's what I'm saying to you is that you you you're you they've complied with so many things that we asked for so far, and at this eleventh hour we're throwing up sixty more days to accomplish to accomplish [3:34:54, 3:34:58]: Um, you know, them waiting a little bit more time in order to [3:35:00, 3:35:20]: Inform more residents in the area when they've gone when they've gone above the standard that the city code requires in informing residents. There always can be more residents informed. But they've gone above and beyond that. They even though the the they agreed to have the town hall with the community, which I certainly would have asked. [3:35:20, 3:35:24]: for myself, that certainly wasn't a requirement as well. [3:35:24, 3:35:34]: I don't mind waiting more time if there is a reason to a want so what if more residents come forward and say, you know, we don't wanna that's not gonna change the density count. [3:35:35, 3:35:44]: But if residents come forward and say, We do want it. That's not gonna change the density count. And that may not. Um, I wanna hear concerns of [3:35:45, 3:35:46]: All of the residents [3:35:47, 3:35:50]: actually who live along Davis Road and Shills Road, but I know I'm not gonna get that. [3:35:51, 3:35:59]: There are still some discussions that I want to have with the developer. When you talk about a high density development, [3:35:59, 3:36:03]: I think in terms of multiple entrance and exit points. [3:36:04, 3:36:08]: And I'm not satisfied with what they have proposed. [3:36:08, 3:36:12]: We already know that there's gonna be a traffic build up. [3:36:12, 3:36:13]: At the stop sign. [3:36:14, 3:36:15]: That is misaligned. [3:36:16, 3:36:17]: We already know that. [3:36:17, 3:36:29]: We need multiple entrance and exit points, and I'm not satisfied with what this development or these developers have suggested. [3:36:30, 3:36:35]: And I know one of the entrance and exit points they're relying on um the easement. [3:36:35, 3:36:38]: uh the property owner next door, they may not get it. [3:36:39, 3:36:59]: So I want to continue the conversations with the developer. Again, for the record, I support revitalization and redevelopment of our entire city, but I also support smart growth. Thank you. I need a motion to approve or dery so we can move on to [3:36:59, 3:37:05]: The next topic. I need emotion, folks. We've had plenty of discussion for a long time. Man, let me just say this. [3:37:06, 3:37:06]: Please. [3:37:07, 3:37:08]: We just sat here. [3:37:11, 3:37:16]: Whether they put a pool on this property or not has nothing to do with traffic. [3:37:18, 3:37:31]: But it was just asked for. Yeah. Another condition that was just asked for that has nothing to do with how people go in the property or out the property. This is what I keep saying that bothers me. [3:37:32, 3:37:38]: We keep asking this developer for s for to do something and they say, okay, and now what's the next thing? [3:37:39, 3:37:44]: We just sit here and ask the developer for a pool and he said okay. [3:37:46, 3:37:48]: And now we talk about traffic. [3:37:49, 3:37:51]: А та адо а донґет з процес. [3:37:52, 3:37:54]: I don't get this process. [3:37:55, 3:38:05]: Mayor. I need a motion. Mayor, let me do this. Let me do this. Let me make the motion. I'm gonna make a motion to approve the request. [3:38:06, 3:38:10]: based on the six that we have agreed down to [3:38:11, 3:38:14]: With the condition that the developer continue the discussions. [3:38:15, 3:38:19]: with Mayor Pro Team Barber on her outstanding issues. [3:38:19, 3:38:39]: In order to move forward. So the conversation would not close tonight. They will be required to continue talking with Councilwoman Mayor Pro Tem Barber as well. The pool will be required as one of the conditions to move forward with this development. And I'm with you. [3:38:39, 3:38:43]: Mr. Bond at this point. I'm I I wanted to be so f so badly. [3:38:43, 3:39:03]: Wanted to be able to say the district council member, Council Thomas said, you know, it's about the whole city. And in the end, this is the best compromise for the entire city. Because I certainly don't want it on tape when we've already said fifty times that these these requirements we that that are per common upon the city, we demand [3:39:03, 3:39:10]: And them are the developer. They said no, they should they didn't have to. But I want to go ahead and make that motion to move. [3:39:12, 3:39:20]: Mr. Alexander made a motion. Mr. Blount seconded a motion. I want to make sure that uh I mean uh Madam Clerk, I I hope that you got this correct. [3:39:21, 3:39:22]: New mayor. [3:39:22, 3:39:24]: Okay. Yeah. [3:39:24, 3:39:25]: Go ahead. [3:39:26, 3:39:28]: You good? I'm good, hey. [3:39:29, 3:39:31]: All in favor of motion, please indicate. [3:39:33, 3:39:34]: Opposed. [3:39:36, 3:39:42]: Wait a minute, Thomas Asian? I'm I'm in favor. You're in favor? Okay, so motion of all opposed. [3:39:45, 3:39:45]: Miss Barber? [3:39:47, 3:39:57]: Motion passed. Okay? Let's move on to the next item. The development will go on under the conditions that was stated. [3:39:57, 3:39:58]: All right. [3:39:58, 3:40:01]: Item number ten, rezoning case. By the way. [3:40:01, 3:40:02]: Thank you, everybody. [3:40:02, 3:40:06]: Okay. Can we take a break? Can we take a short break? I gotta use the restroom. [3:40:08, 3:40:28]: No let's we need we uh go ahead go ahead go ahead and use the restroom. We gotta move on. We've been down here this is long enough. Item number ten rezoning case RZ two zero two two two dash zero one consideration rezoning request to assign the zoning district M F R, multiple family residential, to properly located five seventy six Davis Road, parcel [3:40:28, 3:40:32]: S zero five zero one zero zero two zero zero zero [3:40:33, 3:40:47]: To allow for construction of a town home development. Applicant Forester Real Estate Group USA Agent Alex Brock Smith Ramble and Russell LLP. Property located landlock land lot ninety-one of District 12. [3:40:47, 3:40:50]: And it contains twenty seven point six five ekers. [3:40:50, 3:41:10]: To be presented by the community development staff, the planning commission approved this item of four zoning conditions at the April 27, 2023 meeting. Ryan, please. Uh Mayor Ford, most of what I've all I'll be presenting has already been covered in the previous case. We don't have a quorum. We don't have a quorum. All right. Stand by standby to Mr. Alexander and Ms. [3:41:10, 3:41:12]: While we come back. Stand by. [3:41:14, 3:41:16]: This is ridiculous. [3:41:19, 3:41:30]: If you're not for the development, why do you keep asking? But turn your mic off, sir, if you're gonna speak. I I don't care if you hear me this week. If you're not for the development, why you keep asking for [3:41:39, 3:41:41]: Where's our Cena turn? [3:41:41, 3:41:43]: I I thought you was isn't he sitting right down there? [3:41:51, 3:41:55]: Obviously we'll have a at least a a recess now, since we don't have a quorum. [3:41:59, 3:42:03]: We might we don't have a quorum t go ahead until we get a quorum back. [3:42:58, 3:42:59]: Yeah. [3:43:43, 3:43:44]: Yeah. [3:44:14, 3:44:16]: We'll make it sure, man. [3:44:52, 3:44:55]: All right, council. Let's get back together so we can finish this meeting. [3:45:02, 3:45:04]: Mr. Blount, Mr. Alexander, please. [3:45:30, 3:45:34]: Ms. Blount, Ms. Alexander, let's let's come back to the dial so we can get with the meeting here. [3:45:41, 3:45:44]: Madam Clerk, you ready? All right. [3:45:52, 3:46:11]: All right. Mr. Ryan, go ahead with your presentation, sir. Okay. Listen up folks. As I as I m mentioned earlier that most of what I'm about to present has already been discussed. So I'll just do a short presentation. Um on the screen now you have a aerial photo of the subject property. [3:46:14, 3:46:16]: Whoa, that's not even on there. Hold on. My fault. [3:46:28, 3:46:31]: What's going on, Ryan? Trying to get it off the um [3:46:33, 3:46:34]: Uh [3:46:49, 3:46:51]: There you go. That's what you need. Yes sir. Yes sir. Okay. [3:46:52, 3:46:55]: All right, uh on the screen now you see a aerial photo of the pro of the subject property. [3:46:57, 3:46:57]: Yeah. [3:47:04, 3:47:07]: On this screen you see the the the surrounding zoning. [3:47:08, 3:47:10]: Uh on the main road [3:47:10, 3:47:30]: I mean you got rural residential is which is which is represented by the pale yellow, the gold is suburban residential, the rust colored is city center residential, the orange is MHR, the brown is MFR, the light pink is C1, the medium pink is C2, the red is C three, the teal is PUD. [3:47:32, 3:47:35]: uh the case facts uh [3:47:37, 3:47:57]: Property once again, the property is located on the north side of Davis Road, adjacent to States Avenue, a private street and Sunrise Avenue to the west, one block west of Shields Road and Century Court, Central Oaks Court. The property conditions a long, narrow lot which slopes significantly downward in the north, dropping some. [3:47:57, 3:48:06]: 70 feet where an apparent stream and adjacent buffers are located. The current use: there are three single-family residences and a detached barn. [3:48:09, 3:48:15]: The surrounding land uses, you can see it on the map that's on the screen. I've already went through that somewhat. [3:48:18, 3:48:21]: This is the conceptual site plan. [3:48:22, 3:48:23]: Yeah. [3:48:26, 3:48:31]: Conceptual site plan in black and white. And here's the conceptual site plan in color. [3:48:35, 3:48:54]: Uh the the applicant has uh a recommended um traffic impact study. Um the basis of the study basically comes down to the point that there will be a minimum impact on the surrounding com the surrounding community and the date of the project build out is the year the year 2027. [3:48:58, 3:49:00]: It was a rendering of the town homes. [3:49:09, 3:49:10]: Um [3:49:12, 3:49:32]: Staff recommend staff recommends approval with conditions. The first condition is a comprehensive plan amendment. The rezoning shall not be approved unless the applicants requested comprehensive plan amendment via CP20-206 to assign the land use designation of high density residential to the subject properties approved before or assigned. [3:49:32, 3:49:36]: with the approval of RZ20 2207. [3:49:37, 3:49:43]: Condition number two, the variance should uh the rezoning should not be approved unless the applicants requested variance. [3:49:43, 3:50:03]: Via VR 2022-03 to reduce the required minimum front yard setback from 50 feet to 25 feet is approved before or simultaneous simultaneously with the approval of RZ22-07. And condition number three: the proposed townhome development shall be constructed according to the design, which is shown. [3:50:03, 3:50:14]: on the applicant's submitted black and white conceptual plan, uh we might have to amend that if the applicant reduces the density to um by five additional units. So we may have to work on that condition. [3:50:16, 3:50:17]: So staff recommends approval. [3:50:18, 3:50:23]: All right, thank you, Mr. Harrison. Appreciate it, Ryan. Okay, council. Any questions for Ryan at this time? [3:50:26, 3:50:27]: Mr. Barber, go ahead, please. [3:50:27, 3:50:30]: The conceptual site plan. [3:50:30, 3:50:31]: Um [3:50:32, 3:50:38]: This is not at the point where we can make suggestions on building materials that we'd like to see. [3:50:39, 3:50:41]: You can add a condition in your on the motion. [3:50:42, 3:50:43]: Okay. Um [3:50:44, 3:50:51]: But they we have some pretty stringent uh design criteria in the UDC so they'll have to use uh uh primar I mean [3:50:53, 3:50:57]: High quality, high great quality materials to to construct these I like to see stone. [3:50:58, 3:51:02]: Uh okay, you could add that to I mean stone is one pref our recommended um [3:51:02, 3:51:11]: Material building materials anyway. It's a recommendation by staff, but I like to add that as a condition. Okay. For the framework. The requirement. Okay. [3:51:16, 3:51:23]: But um if I may, Mayor. Go ahead. It seems as though the council has already taken a position to override [3:51:24, 3:51:33]: Um my thoughts on this can this project. So I'm going to abstain from this. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. [3:51:34, 3:51:35]: Yes, yes, sir. [3:51:39, 3:51:42]: Once once again, you know, I'm gonna say this. [3:51:43, 3:51:44]: I'm not overriding. [3:51:45, 3:51:47]: Anyone in any district. [3:51:48, 3:51:51]: But either for a project or you're not for a project. [3:51:52, 3:51:54]: And if you're not for it, say you're not for it. [3:51:55, 3:51:59]: Don't continue to set conditions just like one was just set. [3:52:00, 3:52:06]: for brick, but I'm going to abstain. So I'm not trying to override anybody in their districts. [3:52:07, 3:52:09]: For me, I'm just speaking about me. [3:52:10, 3:52:12]: But if you set in conditions. [3:52:13, 3:52:16]: Then that's not overriding you, that's agreeing with you. [3:52:17, 3:52:20]: If they say yes, we'll do it, then I'm agreeing with you. Let's push it forward. [3:52:22, 3:52:25]: I started out by saying I'm letting [3:52:25, 3:52:28]: District four take the lead on this. [3:52:29, 3:52:42]: But if you continue to ask for conditions and they're saying yes, I'm agreeing to let them do what they do because you've asked for conditions. You asked for a pool. You just asked for bricks. [3:52:43, 3:52:49]: If you're not for the project, then leave it alone. Don't say I want all these conditions, but I'm not even gonna vote yes or no. [3:52:50, 3:52:56]: It makes no sense to me. So don't s so I don't want to feel belittled that I'm overriding anybody. [3:52:57, 3:53:06]: I only can be John Blount, but so when it gets so convoluted and we sit in this big conundrum of situations and circumstances, I got to go what you've been asking for. [3:53:07, 3:53:14]: If you say you want the house blue and they and they say, Oh, uh uh, we can play in it blue, then okay, I'm gonna go for it.'Cause they gave you what you want. [3:53:17, 3:53:18]: All right. So um [3:53:20, 3:53:31]: I'd like to respond to that before since that comment was a very good thing. Then we need to keep thinking the reason why I said this council is overriding [3:53:31, 3:53:35]: my thoughts is because I made a motion. I made a motion to [3:53:35, 3:53:36]: Delay. [3:53:36, 3:53:37]: The approval [3:53:38, 3:53:39]: Of the comprehensive plan amendment. [3:53:40, 3:53:41]: But this council. [3:53:41, 3:53:41]: Voted. [3:53:42, 3:53:43]: In support of it. [3:53:43, 3:53:46]: So that's why I'm abstaining from [3:53:46, 3:53:46]: All of it. [3:53:47, 3:53:50]: That doesn't mean that any suggestions that I give. [3:53:51, 3:53:54]: are my own. They are still suggestions [3:53:54, 3:53:58]: and ideas of the residents who will live there. [3:53:58, 3:54:00]: I still have to speak. [3:54:00, 3:54:01]: For them. [3:54:01, 3:54:02]: Thank you. [3:54:02, 3:54:20]: Alright, okay. On that note, uh are there any other comments before we state this ask for the uh this vote here? You gotta do a public hearing or no. I'm oh that's right. See there? See I've been keeping behind this mic so long. All right, public hearing. Uh okay, so we'll open this public hearing back up. [3:54:21, 3:54:25]: And I'm four items four. People four. [3:54:25, 3:54:28]: On the very left hand side, my my left hand side, over here. [3:54:29, 3:54:30]: Four. [3:54:31, 3:54:32]: In the middle, four. [3:54:34, 3:54:35]: All right. [3:54:36, 3:54:39]: Uh you know, I guess I didn't allow you to come up and speak earlier, did I not? [3:54:40, 3:54:46]: Okay, well let me finish you'll get a chance to speak, okay. You y obviously we w we'll do it. Four. Anybody in in the middle, four? [3:54:46, 3:54:48]: Okay, if you cut if [3:54:48, 3:54:52]: If you're coming for, line up over here, okay. Just if if you have no comments or not. [3:54:53, 3:54:53]: Yes or no? [3:54:55, 3:55:00]: He can rest on his comment so far. Okay. Anybody on the right hand side? Four. [3:55:01, 3:55:10]: Seems though I have only one individual, four at this point. All right, uh name and uh address please. Go ahead. [3:55:15, 3:55:35]: Again, Mr. Baird and Council members, my name is Richard Ordonas. I reside at 112 Man Boulevard down the street. I would just like to reiterate that we are for this proposal. It's been in the family for 73 years, but it's going to be a benefit for the community, for the city of Stockbridge, as expressed by [3:55:35, 3:55:43]: Some of the council members. They want to grow it. They want to get the business in here. And we want to have more families come in here and support those businesses and make this a great county. [3:55:44, 3:55:50]: Okay, thank you. Thank you. Public hearing once again against and as far left side, my left side. [3:55:50, 3:55:53]: Lamp right there. A anybody in the middle that's against. [3:55:54, 3:56:02]: Okay. Anybody my far? Right. All right. That's against. All right. Only seeing one. Sir, please. Name and address. [3:56:05, 3:56:25]: Mr. Ford, Mark McFry, 289 Shields Road, Stockbridge, Georgia. I'm against the 25-foot setback. Um, I don't see why our current code should be altered just to put these town homes in. I know I heard what the gentleman had. [3:56:25, 3:56:37]: had said that it would be expensive for them to cut the grass for the homeowners. Um well I cut three acres every week. My neighbor cuts almost seven acres. [3:56:38, 3:56:43]: If these people can afford three hundred thousand dollars, they can afford a HOA and all that other stuff. [3:56:44, 3:56:46]: I don't see why you should give'em [3:56:48, 3:56:51]: a twenty five foot setback when the code says fifty. [3:56:52, 3:56:53]: That's what I got. [3:56:53, 3:56:58]: Okay, appreciate it. Public hearing is now closed. Um uh Mr. Bruck. [3:56:58, 3:57:00]: Mr. Brock, please come on up for it. [3:57:05, 3:57:20]: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. Uh again, just for form, my name's Alex Brock with Smith Cambrell Russell, Office Addresses Eleven O Five Peachtree or West Peachtree Street, Atlanta, Georgia. Uh and I'm here on behalf of the applicant four-star uh USA Real Estate Group. Um [3:57:21, 3:57:41]: And I'm not going to spend a lot of time because I think we covered a lot of the issues in depth in the uh last hearing. Uh but I would like to iterate just a few uh legal points and to uh uh uh mention a few things. Uh this property is one of the cities that was just uh annexed into the city and the city adopted its uh zoning earlier tonight. [3:57:41, 3:58:01]: Uh that zoning was a uh uh zoning district of rural residential. Uh we are asking to rezone to multifamily residential to allow this townhome development. Uh as uh Mr. Anderson pointed out earlier tonight, uh it is commiserate with the number of the surrounding uh zoning districts. We have mobile home uh residential to the west. [3:58:01, 3:58:10]: The Pine Hills Mobile Home Park. To the east, we have duplexes along Century Oak Drive zone city center residential. [3:58:10, 3:58:30]: To the north are several single family homes within unincorporated Henry County, which are zoned uh residential agricultural under the Henry County Code. Uh and in addition, there is another uh multifamily residential district uh along uh Davis Road, the Big Oak Villas, which is a um town [3:58:30, 3:58:45]: Home development at a density of nine units per acre. In addition, the the subject property is also located less than one mile east of the commercial node at the intersection of Highway 92 and Highway 138. [3:58:46, 3:59:06]: Uh just to state again this rezoning request is commensurate with the properties that in districts that exist in the area today, uh as well as the uh townhomes will add a mix of housing options uh as a uh stated goal of the uh city's comprehensive plan. We are providing a mix of units, uh both two car and one-car. [3:59:06, 3:59:26]: garages. Um one thing I would like to note on staff's conditions if this uh body so chooses to adopt staff's conditions. I'd like to point out that condition number one is already satisfied uh the approval of the comprehensive plan amendment. Uh so that is a non-condition. Uh we'd ask that to be removed. [3:59:26, 3:59:46]: Uh the site plan, I would ask that it should be constructed in general accordance with the uh plan so named here, so that we may make the changes that were conditioned uh earlier tonight, uh namely adding the pool and the six units per acre density. Um adding the the wording to be in general conformance, I believe, would allow. [3:59:45, 4:00:05]: the flexibility to make those changes without having to come back before this body. And then the last request that I would have is that condition number two, the variance. Uh I request that be heard and considered separately. If there are issues with the variance as this comes up, I would not like to have that on bearing on the comprehensive plan that we already approved as well. [4:00:05, 4:00:10]: well as the rezoning that we hear tonight, uh that should be hold heard on its own merits. [4:00:11, 4:00:23]: Okay, so based on your comments, I'm I'm thinking that the uh motion if it's gonna be approved, you said you mentioned the comprehensive plan amendment should be taken off because we've already done that, and then the site plan [4:00:23, 4:00:43]: uh would have to change to what would we we agree to what we uh motioned and you all agreed to the pool and s uh six units per acre, right? That would have to be part of that and the variance would come off but if there's a pr I guess only variants only come off if there's a concern, I suppose. I get and since we have not heard that yet, um I I'd just like to remove that so we can hear that [4:00:43, 4:00:59]: That on its own merits, uh, because if it is passed with that condition and for some reason the variance is denied, then we are in a legal conundrum of how to satisfy that. Uh since you've just passed the zoning and the comprehensive plan amendment. Okay. Um okay. [4:01:00, 4:01:09]: On that note, Council, you heard that. I don't know what other comments you have, but if we make a motion, I guess those those requested things probably need to be in the motion for our final approval. [4:01:10, 4:01:30]: If that's the case. I I have a question. Go ahead, sir. On the on on the variance piece, are you trying to say you want to come back and have a discussion on that or what are you trying to do with that? No, this it since the city has decided to take these as three separate applications at three separate hearings tonight, we would hear the variance after this. Uh so once you make a motion on that, then we would hear that. [4:01:30, 4:01:32]: the merits of the variance and vote upon that. [4:01:32, 4:01:34]: That's true, it's coming next. That's right. Yes. [4:01:35, 4:01:36]: Yeah. I'm fine with that. [4:01:36, 4:01:36]: No. [4:01:37, 4:01:57]: All right. Yes sir. So uh in essence um you we there was a request made for some brick construction. I certainly do agree with uh there's been a variance of materials uh as well. [4:01:57, 4:02:17]: But there need to be a balance, of course, because this is workforce housing. And the workforce housing would include teachers, firefighters, some of our police officers to be able to purchase a home uh in the city. So uh I'm going to ask what uh we don't want uh [4:02:16, 4:02:36]: The HOA fees are gonna be uh we don't want that to be overly encumbersome on the residents. So uh a percentage of the properties being uh constructed of brick. Uh for a a homeowner who desired that, was that the desire or was it all of them? [4:02:36, 4:02:37]: But [4:02:41, 4:02:42]: Some stone. [4:02:44, 4:02:46]: Some stone uh being the suggestion. [4:02:48, 4:02:50]: Yeah, speak. [4:02:51, 4:02:54]: Yeah, but how do you determine that? Yeah. [4:02:55, 4:03:15]: You want to I would just like to go if I may. Um I would just like to say with our elevations now, we are required to comply with UDC requirements. As as staff can indicated earlier, there are significant architectural requirements for the facade, which include uh uh implementing brick and stone within the facade, so we are accounting for that. [4:03:15, 4:03:17]: What percentage are you proposing? [4:03:18, 4:03:19]: Quick. [4:03:20, 4:03:22]: Come come around, come up to the p podium, please. [4:03:26, 4:03:46]: The front the the front the frontage will have to be made out of brick or stone uh uh m or f uh s can't pronounce the cementus fiber materials. So the whole frontage would have to be made out of those materials. Yeah. And then we have secondary materials. Yeah, I think uh councilwoman Gann always says this too. If homeowners do like a [4:03:46, 4:03:57]: A um a um a choice. Somebody might not want brick. I do want some brick, but everybody might not want it. So you agreeable to that? Some brick. [4:03:58, 4:04:07]: Uh, maybe about y you know, there'll be some options so they could have vinyl. I mean not vin I'm so certainly not vinyl. They could have uh just a craftsman style hole. [4:04:09, 4:04:29]: So is there a recommendation from staff for maybe a percentage of uh brick versus instead of a hundred percent, go down to offer them maybe twenty five percent of the units of the units? They they got the units if you look close to um Mayor, if you might well let Ryan finish. Ryan's gonna answer his question. Are you saying for the total number of units [4:04:29, 4:04:38]: Twenty five percent of the total number of units. But the UDC requires that, I mean, all the units would have to be have a primary material of brick, stone, or cementus fiber. [4:04:39, 4:04:51]: Right, but at the same time we wanna offer homeowners a craftsman style, if they some homers may not desire that. Councilwoman Gann always raises that point. What do you think? Yeah, but Mr. Alexander the thing about that is [4:04:52, 4:04:58]: What if you got a unit here once and the other three don't? You don't have no continuity of the property. [4:05:00, 4:05:01]: You y you see what I'm saying? [4:05:03, 4:05:18]: But uh um on on on the uh could you put the picture? Oh so you oh sorry what you saw. Hold on, hold on, hold on, please. So the requirement is a hundred percent uh I'm okay with that. It what the UDC would outline what is necessary in the first place. [4:05:18, 4:05:24]: And uh also requires a uh 25% brick water tape on the ground. [4:05:28, 4:05:32]: So these are this is a conceptual rendering of a one and two car garage. [4:05:33, 4:05:40]: No, w well we want some full brick fronts on some of'em. That's what I'm saying, not just a water table percentage. [4:05:42, 4:05:46]: So I uh so you're not saying that it requires a hundred percent brick front? [4:05:47, 4:05:47]: Yeah. [4:05:52, 4:05:53]: Boy, Miss Carter. [4:05:54, 4:06:14]: Um the code requires for multifamily residential that the facade have thirty percent brick or stone or combination of each um on all four facades of the building, or in this case it would be either two or three because they're town homes. It would just be the end of the homes. Um and then a secondary [4:06:14, 4:06:32]: material covering remaining can be comprised of one or more of either stucco shake and or cement fiber board. And this is requirement per the code. Okay, well the code's solid. The code's got it all. It's laid out the code's already got it. Already laid it out. Okay. Thank you. [4:06:33, 4:06:53]: All right, Ryan, you need to continue? Uh no sir. Okay. Okay. All right, Mr. Brock, you you gave your uh suggestions for the requirements for uh this motion in a sense. Uh I mentioned I I try to reiterate that particular aspect which you're asking for, and of course the virus piece would be the very next thing coming. [4:06:53, 4:06:59]: [14820.0, 14826.6]: All right. So on that note, Council, I need a motion to accept rezoning case item number ten, please. [4:07:07, 4:07:27]: Mayor. Yes, sir. I want to make a motion to approve the zoning uh with the conditions uh as described and the requirements in the ULDC uh to be approved. Second. Well okay, stand by though I thought part of this process by request uh would be the [4:07:26, 4:07:43]: the variants would come out the variants would come uh uh subsequent to that and then item number one would be removed. Okay. Yes. All right. Mr Blount you second that? Yes. Okay. Mayor I mean um um chair chair [4:07:44, 4:07:45]: City clerk. [4:07:46, 4:07:49]: I I need more water. See clerk, do you understand the motion? Me too. [4:07:50, 4:07:53]: Okay. Okay. Motion was made in a second. All in favor, please indicate. [4:07:54, 4:07:55]: All right. [4:07:56, 4:07:59]: Three zero one. Opposition? Abstaining? [4:08:00, 4:08:20]: I will be abstaining. Okay, got it. So 301, the motion passed. All right. Now we'll move on. Item number eleven, variance case. Uh VR two zero two two two two two two two two two two two two dash zero three. Consideration of variance request and grant variance of property five seventy-six. Davis road partial S05-01. [4:08:20, 4:08:35]: one zero zero two zero zero zero in order to allow for construction of a town home development. Requested variance would reduce the front setback from the requirement of fifty feet to twenty five feet applicant for stir four star for stir. [4:08:36, 4:08:56]: Real Estate Group USA Incorporated Agent Alex Brock of Smith, Ramble, and Russell LLP. Property is located at Landlock 91 District 12, contains 27.635 acres. As presented by the community direct development staff planning commission approved the item with three zoning conditions. [4:08:56, 4:08:59]: April twenty seventh of twenty twenty three. Ryan, please. [4:08:59, 4:09:19]: Okay, uh most of all of the stuff I've s um be going through has already been said, so I'll give a brief synopsis of this case. Um the proposed development, the total number of townhomes will be 170 units on twenty-seven point six three acres, but that has been reduced down to a hundred and sixty-five. [4:09:19, 4:09:21]: Um [4:09:21, 4:09:41]: The site access would include a main entrance plus an emergency access off Davis Road. Internal streets would include a main loop and several cross streets. Sidewalks will be 10 feet. A mail kiosk will be located near the main entrance with on-street parking. The maximum lock covers will be 47.6. [4:09:41, 4:10:01]: 6%, which is less than 50% requirement of the MFR district. Setbacks would be 25 feet in the front with the approved variants tonight. Uh open space, which would include the stream buffer area, and would be 5,600 square feet of landscape public space. Amenities would include a playground, a doll park, [4:10:01, 4:10:09]: Parking, a walking trail, and also the pavilion and pool. Parking would include 662 total spaces. [4:10:09, 4:10:13]: And a stormwater pool will be located the north of the property. [4:10:13, 4:10:16]: Here's the site plan again in in um black and white. [4:10:18, 4:10:21]: Here's the conceptual site plan uh in color. [4:10:24, 4:10:27]: Got a quick question on that. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. [4:10:27, 4:10:37]: Where you guys putting the the is the uh trash wh the uh dumpster settings? Or where w where they gonna take the trash? Uh it's gonna be [4:10:39, 4:10:42]: Let me blow this up. I can show you uh [4:10:42, 4:10:46]: You got a clubhouse, I'm assuming it's probably near the clubhouse, I would imagine. [4:10:47, 4:10:53]: Well, I have to admit where I live the d the d dumpster's right near the clubhouse parking lot. I'm just going by what I know, but anyway. [4:10:54, 4:10:56]: No it is No, no, it's a it is right. [4:11:02, 4:11:06]: You still looking Ryan? Is that what you're trying to figure out? Yeah, yes. Mr. Brock, you need to come up you need to come up with the mic? [4:11:09, 4:11:10]: It's larger than me. [4:11:11, 4:11:20]: I believe the question is where the dumpster is located. Wh where the w where are they gonna be able to take the trash to? This would be curbside uh pickup. We don't have a dumpster yes. Oh okay. [4:11:21, 4:11:23]: GFA? Yes. Oh, okay. [4:11:26, 4:11:27]: Yeah. [4:11:30, 4:11:30]: Okay. [4:11:32, 4:11:34]: Once again here's the renderings of the units. [4:11:41, 4:12:01]: Staff analysis um criteria A: whether the subject property has extraordinary and exceptional physical care physical characteristics compared to other properties in the zoning district. Yes, the property is long and narrow, sloping downward by some 70 feet from Davis Road to the rear. Stream buffers are also present at the rear of the property. These factors represent [4:12:01, 4:12:15]: considerable limitations toward the developability of the property in general, as well as the developer's ability to create a reasonable site plan with townhome lots that are similar size to ones that are found in other townhomes development. [4:12:15, 4:12:35]: Criterion B whether literal interpretation of the UDC would deprive the applicant of rights that are commonly enjoyed by owners of other properties in the same zoning district. The answer is yes. The applicant may be deprived of the ability to develop a townhome community with lots that are are similar size to those which are found in other MFR districts. [4:12:35, 4:12:55]: Criteria and C whether the requested variants will give the property owner any special privileges that are denied to other property owners in the zoning in the same zoning district. No special privileges would be given to the property owner. The denial of the variance will force the developer to comply with the standards, which would be unfair and create an unnecessary hardship to the property. [4:12:55, 4:13:00]: due to the d difficult physical characteristics of the property. [4:13:02, 4:13:22]: Criteria D. Whether the variance will be consistent with the purposes and intent of the UDC, whether it would be compatible with neighboring uses, and whether it would serve the public welfare. The variance will be consistent with the purpose and intent of the UDC by encouraging the most appropriate use of land and buildings on the subject property. Granting a variance would allow the [4:13:22, 4:13:42]: Development of the property in a mostly residential area which has had little development activity in recent years. The proposed townhome community would be compatible with the other existing residential uses in the area. Criteria E: whether the extraordinary conditions are not the result of actions of the applicant, the physical conditions of the [4:13:42, 4:14:02]: Subject property were not created by the applicant, yet they are limiting limiting the applicant's ability to develop the property into a reasonable use. Criteria F: whether the variance is the minimum relief that would allow the legal use of the land. The developer could still build a townhouse development on the property on the MFR without the variance. [4:14:02, 4:14:15]: However, the developer developer would be significantly constrained in designing a site plan which would allow the construction of a sif s sufficient number of units to be economically viable. [4:14:16, 4:14:28]: G, criteria G. The variance is not a request to permit a use of land, building, or structures that is prohibited in the same zoning district. Townhomes are permitted use within the proposed MFR district. [4:14:31, 4:14:51]: Staff findings and conclusions. As a result of the foregoing analysis, the planning and zoning staff have found that the subject property's physical characteristics substantially limits its developability, and that without the request of errands, it may not be positive, may not be possible to build a sufficient number of townhomes to be economically. [4:14:51, 4:14:57]: economically feasible. Staff recommends approval with conditions. [4:14:59, 4:15:19]: Um condition one has already been satisfied, condition two has already been satisfied, and um condition three the site plan shall be developed with uh according this has to be amended, has to be restated to say that the the number of units will be reduced to 160. [4:15:19, 4:15:25]: six to five units with a pool and a certain percentage of the number of units. Well [4:15:26, 4:15:29]: Would have to be stone. I think that's [4:15:30, 4:15:33]: I think that it still requires sovereignty U D C, I thought. [4:15:33, 4:15:38]: Well yeah, according to the UDC. Okay, yes. So that don't have to be amended and the first two striked out. [4:15:41, 4:15:52]: Because they're they they have already been satisfied. The comprehensive plan has already been approved and the rezoning has already already been approved tonight. So there's no need to include those conditions. [4:15:53, 4:15:58]: This is primarily dealing with the variance only since it is. All right. [4:15:58, 4:16:03]: Council, any questions for Ryan? Yes. Go ahead, please. Um [4:16:05, 4:16:10]: Would I ask to reduce the amount of units that are in the center of this proposed development? [4:16:12, 4:16:16]: If they reduce the amount of units, it would be no need for [4:16:17, 4:16:18]: The variants. [4:16:20, 4:16:22]: Therefore they wouldn't need a [4:16:22, 4:16:26]: variance on the twenty five feet setback as opposed to the fifty feet [4:16:27, 4:16:28]: That is in our code. [4:16:29, 4:16:34]: We wouldn't have to worry about on street parking or them adding additional parking spaces. [4:16:35, 4:16:36]: For on street parking. [4:16:38, 4:16:45]: When Councillor Alexander and I spoke with them a couple of weeks ago, we talked about the location. [4:16:45, 4:16:47]: of the clubhouse and pool. [4:16:48, 4:16:51]: It was agreed that they would relocate the clubhouse in the pool. [4:16:52, 4:16:53]: To the front entrance. [4:16:53, 4:16:54]: of this development. [4:16:55, 4:16:59]: I don't see that this concep conceptual drawing captures that. [4:17:00, 4:17:01]: Nor is it mentioned [4:17:01, 4:17:04]: Anywhere in the conditions by staff. [4:17:05, 4:17:07]: So I'd like to hear from the attorney. [4:17:07, 4:17:08]: For the developer. [4:17:09, 4:17:10]: Regarding that. [4:17:13, 4:17:14]: Ms. Brown, come on, please. [4:17:19, 4:17:26]: All right. Um not going to percent just yet, just to answer Mayor Pro Tem Barber's questions. Uh [4:17:28, 4:17:39]: First of all, uh the request tonight is to reduce the setback from fifty feet to twenty five feet for the individual units. Yes, but my question is in regards to our discussion that we had. [4:17:40, 4:17:50]: Um with the location of the pool and the clubhouse. Yep. To move that to the front of the development. And that that would not affect the setback of the driveways uh themselves. [4:17:50, 4:17:54]: Okay, that's my first question. Can you address that one? I'm sorry. [4:17:55, 4:18:10]: It I that was my answer that if we moved the clubhouse to the front of the neighborhood, it would not necessarily affect the need for a twenty five or reduction to twenty five foot setback for the individual units. I get that. Um [4:18:10, 4:18:16]: My second question was related to the twenty five feet setback variants that you all are requesting. [4:18:17, 4:18:21]: You won't need a variance if you reduce the amount of units that are in the center. [4:18:22, 4:18:23]: of this proposed development. [4:18:24, 4:18:26]: You won't need the variance because you will have [4:18:27, 4:18:27]: Um [4:18:28, 4:18:30]: Enough room for the fifty feet. [4:18:31, 4:18:32]: Fifty feet set back and [4:18:32, 4:18:35]: Residents will be able to park in their driveway. [4:18:35, 4:18:36]: [15516.4, 15518.3]: Four cars in the driveway. [4:18:38, 4:18:50]: In addition to two cars in the garage, as opposed to two cars in the garage and two cars in the driveway and any guests that may appear. [4:18:50, 4:18:52]: We have to park in the стріт. [4:18:52, 4:18:55]: In the designated parking spaces that you all have. [4:18:55, 4:18:57]: А вам то елими. [4:18:57, 4:18:58]: The entire middle of [4:18:59, 4:19:01]: section of units. I think there are five [4:19:02, 4:19:04]: Five buildings that you have. [4:19:04, 4:19:06]: with four or five units per building. [4:19:07, 4:19:08]: Eliminate those. [4:19:09, 4:19:11]: And you won't need a setback. [4:19:11, 4:19:12]: I'm trying to [4:19:12, 4:19:14]: avoid having a [4:19:14, 4:19:16]: Neighborhood where the streets are narrow. [4:19:17, 4:19:20]: Where there's really no room for kids to even play. [4:19:20, 4:19:22]: In the front yard. [4:19:22, 4:19:22]: Or [4:19:23, 4:19:24]: In the streets. [4:19:26, 4:19:27]: That's what I'm trying to eliminate. [4:19:28, 4:19:30]: So my first question again. [4:19:31, 4:19:36]: We agreed that you would move the pool and the clubhouse to the front of this development. [4:19:37, 4:19:46]: That is a condition that I want my councilmates to include in their approval of this variance if that's what they want to move forward with. [4:19:47, 4:19:50]: Would you like me to address the first point? [4:19:50, 4:20:05]: Well I don't know. We're talking about variance. I don't know if the this pool and clubhouse piece goes into variance piece here. I mean this is not this is dealing with the variance only. And so I don't know how that what you're asking for goes into this particular uh item right here, right now. [4:20:05, 4:20:13]: See, we're talking about the variance only. So the variance again, I'll say if you remove all the units in the middle, can you put back up your conceptual drawing? [4:20:14, 4:20:15]: So [4:20:15, 4:20:20]: The people here can see what I'm talking about. The public can't see it. [4:20:23, 4:20:28]: those five units or buildings that are in the middle of this development. [4:20:29, 4:20:30]: Six units. [4:20:30, 4:20:32]: That are in the middle of this development. [4:20:33, 4:20:34]: Remove them. [4:20:35, 4:20:36]: So that way [4:20:36, 4:20:38]: There will be no need. [4:20:38, 4:20:44]: for the on street parking that you've added as a result of the setback. [4:20:44, 4:20:45]: That you're requesting. [4:20:46, 4:20:50]: You're asking for a setback because there is no room [4:20:51, 4:20:52]: For people to park. [4:20:52, 4:20:53]: In the driveway. [4:20:54, 4:21:00]: But if you had a fifty foot driveway, you can get cars, four cars in the driveway. [4:21:01, 4:21:05]: Would you like me to address that point? [4:21:07, 4:21:27]: First point I'd like to make is this body just approved the rezoning of the comprehensive plan with the condition that it be limited to six units per acre. Uh a reduction of the six blocks total, uh, which would be I I can't count the number of units, would be far more uh than the five units that we agreed to reduce in the last two hearings. Uh [4:21:27, 4:21:27]: Oh. [4:21:28, 4:21:48]: Secondly, the 25-foot setback, uh, there are other hardships and conditions to that, and it wasn't just the to allow more on-street parking. The on-street parking was an effort to mitigate the impacts of the variants. Uh with shorter driveways, there's less parking in the driveway for other additional cars. That was one concern that made [4:21:48, 4:22:05]: Mayor Pro Tem Barber brought up when we met with her last November, January, uh, in regards to this variance. So we addressed that by adding over ninety on street parking spaces uh to the development to compensate for that loss in driveway parking. [4:22:05, 4:22:06]: Okay. [4:22:07, 4:22:15]: those ninety parking spaces are not directly in front of the homes. In fact [4:22:15, 4:22:16]: Um [4:22:16, 4:22:17]: There is another [4:22:18, 4:22:19]: Plan or [4:22:19, 4:22:21]: drawing that you all provided. [4:22:21, 4:22:28]: that shows the parking areas and slots that you have designated for on street parking. [4:22:28, 4:22:32]: Do you mind sharing that? Can you share it, Miss Carter, if you have it? [4:22:34, 4:22:39]: That shows all of the areas where they've added the on street parking because you can't see it from here. [4:22:39, 4:22:42]: I can try to zoom in and show you where we oops. [4:22:43, 4:22:44]: Left right. [4:22:44, 4:22:46]: Black and white. [4:22:56, 4:22:57]: Is that a little bit better? [4:22:57, 4:22:59]: Is that a little bit better for you all? [4:23:00, 4:23:02]: Are you able to zoom in a little more? [4:23:14, 4:23:21]: Can you point out all of the areas for the on street parking so that those who are here can see? [4:23:22, 4:23:37]: So the the parking is gonna be here, here, and these areas here, and around on the front part where the amenities are, and then on each of the sides of these units. Well that's it because [4:23:37, 4:23:43]: Right, this is the clubhouse. Where's the clubhouse? [4:23:44, 4:23:45]: Mm-hmm. There. [4:23:45, 4:24:05]: Yes. So so yes, they would have and it's it's just considered it's it's off street, off site parking versus what's in front of either the home itself or the garage parking that's provided for each because it each is required to have two car garage for each townhome. So they're uh adding additional [4:24:05, 4:24:14]: parking here for guests and things so that you don't have people locking up the entrance and exits going in and out of the development. [4:24:14, 4:24:18]: This is with a twenty five feet setback, correct? [4:24:20, 4:24:20]: Mm. [4:24:21, 4:24:28]: I I would assume yes, that's what is being proposed, correct? Okay. So they've had to add the on street parking. [4:24:28, 4:24:31]: Because of the twenty five feet setback. [4:24:32, 4:24:34]: If there were a fifty feet set back. [4:24:36, 4:24:38]: The homeowners would be able to accommodate. [4:24:39, 4:24:41]: Адишну карсьве. [4:24:43, 4:24:46]: Meaning they would need the on street parking. [4:24:47, 4:25:01]: So two issues I need for my councilmates to address. And yes, I know this particular item is only addressing the variants, but also address the clubhouse and the pool being relocated to the [4:25:01, 4:25:03]: front entrance of this [4:25:04, 4:25:05]: Proposed development. [4:25:05, 4:25:09]: Councilman Alexander, you and I had that conversation with the developer. [4:25:10, 4:25:11]: Thank you. [4:25:12, 4:25:25]: Do you need to you need to respond to that? Let let me just say this. Now we've had this discussion with the developer. There's an argument to be made because you requested all these additional parking spaces. There might be too many parking spaces in this development. [4:25:26, 4:25:27]: Actually, because [4:25:28, 4:25:39]: You you took away some of the uh uh the ability to add beautification because there's so many parking spaces, but they did that because you requested them to do so. So [4:25:40, 4:26:00]: There's no there's no argument that there's not enough parking. In my dimension, there might be too much because this development exceeds what we did on East Atlanta Road, where you have on-street parking all over the place, plus the two-car garage, plus the garages, plus the driveways. This development has added [4:26:00, 4:26:20]: And ex maybe even more parking than absolutely necessary. I certainly agree that you know the development has has come a long way in where we are now. Now, is there a reason I heard you say that that the pool and everything needs to move to the front? But what is [4:26:20, 4:26:23]: is the substantial reason for moving the pool to the front. [4:26:25, 4:26:44]: Yeah, he's that he's actually addressing you, Mayor Pro Tem. Go ahead, please. Yes. He's asking you a question. What what Well, I believe that was something you brought up during their meeting with the proposed developer when you and I spoke with them, and it was for beautification reasons. Um it was to make it more aesthetically pleasing. [4:26:45, 4:26:48]: For those who will drive through this proposed development. [4:26:49, 4:26:51]: Because it is such a narrow [4:26:51, 4:26:51]: Um [4:26:52, 4:26:52]: Property. [4:26:54, 4:27:01]: You can't see really any landscaping, you're just seeing buildings. Mm-hmm. You can't see any beautifications because it's a lot of [4:27:01, 4:27:02]: Buildings. [4:27:03, 4:27:08]: I mentioned to them early on in every discussion that I've had with this [4:27:08, 4:27:09]: Developer. [4:27:09, 4:27:12]: My concern with on street parking. [4:27:12, 4:27:14]: Their way of mitigating that was [4:27:14, 4:27:16]: Adding on street park. [4:27:16, 4:27:18]: adding additional parking here. [4:27:18, 4:27:21]: I had concerns about the twenty five feet setback. [4:27:22, 4:27:25]: I didn't like the way it looked. [4:27:26, 4:27:30]: They wanted to cram in a whole lot of units here. Two hundred and fifty at that. [4:27:31, 4:27:35]: So the start of my discussions with them was my concern. [4:27:35, 4:27:37]: with the on street parking. [4:27:39, 4:27:42]: So I hope I refreshed your memory. [4:27:43, 4:27:52]: to make it more aesthetically pleasing for those who will want to buy a home there. Let me just say this. I suggested removing some of the parking in the middle. [4:27:52, 4:28:08]: I don't recall seeing moving the pool to the front, but I may m may have misspoken. But the layout here is everything the clubhouse and everything would be in the back laid out with the pool and everything. It seems the perfect layout. And then [4:28:08, 4:28:28]: If you move the pool to the front, you're moving these residents closer back to where the wetlands are and everything to shift everything around. So I certainly may not uh might have misspoke, but my desire was to move some of those parking spaces out of the middle to add some beautification in there. But we've pass that point now. [4:28:28, 4:28:40]: We're dealing with the variant, so I think we still need beautification. So removing some of those parking spaces and adding more beautification. You all have override [4:28:40, 4:28:41]: Everything that I've suggested. [4:28:41, 4:28:43]: So I'll leave this up to you. [4:28:43, 4:28:46]: And I'll explain it to the residents as I speak to them. [4:28:46, 4:28:47]: When I go through [4:28:47, 4:28:54]: The neighborhoods over there. Okay, let I let them know. Let the developer come real real quick. I'm gonna do that real quick. Developer, can you come back to the here? [4:28:55, 4:29:10]: Now, obviously it would be less expensive for you to remove let's say we got the two units in the middle. If you remove that on street parking on the two units on both sides of that, yeah. And you added one of the units as well. [4:29:10, 4:29:30]: No, we're not talking about reducing the units. Talking about reducing the parking spaces so that you can have some beautification in there so residents can drive by something very attractive. Then this you suggested these parking spaces. They weren't there. So I don't think we should have all of these parking spaces so they're driving by all parking spaces. Now [4:29:30, 4:29:41]: I certainly would suggest it would be less expensive for you all to add some beautification in there and take those parking spaces out on both sides of this those two in the middle. [4:29:42, 4:29:43]: Okay. [4:29:43, 4:30:03]: This is a this what the topic really is very a variance is what we need to really vote on. I'm okay with the variance, honest. We need to vote on the variance. Okay. That's what really what we need to talk about. We're kind of getting off subject here. Slightly on what the item is for discussion. We still need to address the concerns that I've raised as well. M Mr. Blount, please. All of them. Mr. Blount. [4:30:04, 4:30:11]: You know, w the way the city is going and we're getting ready to deal with traffic and parking situations and permitting parking. [4:30:11, 4:30:25]: In fact if if we set someone to build a community that that addressed that issue so it wouldn't be an issue for them, that's what this look like. You got parking everywhere. That's that's that's you know, when you [4:30:26, 4:30:29]: You don't you shouldn't have to worry about anybody getting ticketed for Parker. [4:30:30, 4:30:50]: Uh whatever conversations they had, I don't know, and whatever they came up, you know, came up with I don't know. I'm only saying right here was presented to us and was presented to me. It's condition after condition after condition. And the condition for to to to include the varents because of what we were just told by who we hired. [4:30:50, 4:30:53]: to say, hey, it's needed or whatever, I I'm okay with the variance. [4:30:55, 4:30:57]: I mean to get back on the subject. Right. [4:30:59, 4:31:09]: Council, the the uh we're dealing with the variance here. I need a motion if there's no more discussion then we have plenty of discussion. I'm sorry, sir. Yeah, point of order. I [4:31:10, 4:31:11]: We have an interpublic hearing. [4:31:12, 4:31:14]: You're right. You're right. [4:31:15, 4:31:21]: Open the doors for a public hearing. Open it for public hearing. All right, I'm very uh sir, go ahead. [4:31:21, 4:31:25]: Mayor, yes. Uh as the applicant. Yes, as the applic. Go ahead, sir. [4:31:26, 4:31:46]: Uh and just for formality again, my name's Alex Brock, Smith Gimbrel Russell, Office Address 1105 West Peachtree Street. Uh here on behalf of the applicant four-star residential for this variance request. I think we've gone through a lot of these issues in uh detail, but there's a few things I wanted to point out that um staff touched upon and we haven't touched. [4:31:45, 4:32:05]: Upon in the council's earlier questions regarding hardship and and the reasons why we need this variance. As noted, it is a long narrow property. We have looked at trying to redesign this property several times. It should be noted that when we initially submitted this application, we had three variances. We were able to eliminate two of those variances. [4:32:05, 4:32:25]: Uh in the current plan, but one that we were not able to eliminate was the 25-foot setback. Uh, and again, that's due to the long, narrow shape of the property as well as the topography. The site slopes down quite a bit as you proceed to the north away from Davis Road. Uh so it makes layout of this uh [4:32:25, 4:32:27]: uh property uh difficult. [4:32:30, 4:32:30]: Um [4:32:32, 4:32:52]: One item that I would like to address that Mayor Bar Barber brought up is the meeting that we had with her and Councilmember Alexander was the day before or two days before the Planning Commission. Uh at that meeting we said we could not revise the plan because we wouldn't have time before Planning Commission. They would have to hear the plan that was presented. That that body reviewed this plan in [4:32:52, 4:32:58]: In recommended approval, same as staff, uh, for the variants, uh, for the reasons that it gave regarding the hardship. [4:32:58, 4:33:18]: We have tried to mitigate the impacts of the the variants. As I noted, we have included parking throughout the development. Um after tonight, if this uh body so chooses to move forward and approve the variants, we will take a look at adding beautification landscape uh within the the development. Uh we I think we prefer [4:33:18, 4:33:32]: landscaping over parking. But that's something that we can do. We can continue those conversations with planning staff after tonight as we move forward. So we still have to go through land development permit process and in building permits. [4:33:33, 4:33:33]: All right. [4:33:34, 4:33:54]: Um oh and one last point to make is that the homeowners association will be respon responsible for the maintenance of landscaping within the individual lots and units. Uh so the longer driveways would uh necessitate more uh uh maintenance of the landscaping and higher HOA dues as [4:33:54, 4:34:01]: result of that so that's another benefit to decreasing the the uh uh driveways and then [4:34:02, 4:34:22]: Sorry, I misspoke one last statement. Uh we have looked at some of the surrounding jurisdictions: Henry County, uh Clayton County, Rockdale County. Uh also Mayor Pro Tem Barber mentioned a townhome development she meant she visited in Tucker that had the 25-foot um uh setback uh for the lots. Now we'll note that the 50-foot setback for [4:34:22, 4:34:25]: individual lots is out of place. Uh it's uh [4:34:27, 4:34:45]: A uh uh singular requirement uh amongst all those jurisdictions. Most jurisdictions require anywhere from fifteen to uh twenty-five foot setback. So with that, I would request that you follow staff and planning commission's lead to approve this variance. Thank you. [4:34:46, 4:34:47]: On the setback. [4:34:48, 4:34:50]: If it's a twenty five foot setback. [4:34:52, 4:34:54]: For the length of the driveway. [4:34:55, 4:35:06]: We're in these cars bid or a pickup, pulling their driveway and they're hanging in the walkway. No Okay, gotcha. We've designed that so that we could fit a car between the sidewalk and the [4:35:08, 4:35:18]: The building. Public hearing. I'm open up. Anybody four? You'll speak four. This variance changed that's on the table now to be requested. Four in the middle. Uh excuse me on on the left. [4:35:19, 4:35:20]: My left. [4:35:20, 4:35:21]: See none. In the middle. [4:35:23, 4:35:27]: Okay, come on uh come on of s uh center audio here for anyone to fall right. [4:35:28, 4:35:31]: Four for the for the various states. Okay. [4:35:31, 4:35:34]: Just one. Come on, make your state your name and address, please. [4:35:35, 4:35:35]: Four [4:35:36, 4:35:38]: The reference for the Avarics change. [4:35:38, 4:35:47]: My name is Richard Ordonas. I live at 112 Man Boulevard in Stockbridge, Georgia, just a half a mile from here. I've heard a lot of discussion tonight. I've heard a lot of [4:35:48, 4:36:08]: Rediscussion and rehashing and I feel that this project should go through the approval should be positive and approved because it's a benefit to the city, to the residents, and to the future residents and to the future of the city. Thank you. [4:36:08, 4:36:27]: Else uh I mean that's against this particular variance change request. Far left in the middle, my far right, seeing none. Public hearings closed. All right, council. I need a motion to uh to accept the variance chains or disapprove the variance chains. I mean yes ma'am. [4:36:28, 4:36:31]: Um I'd like to make a comment, please. [4:36:32, 4:36:33]: Go ahead. [4:36:34, 4:36:46]: I'm sorry what when I made reference to the um townhome community in Tucker Avery Hills, there are approximately fifty units, so it's low density. [4:36:47, 4:36:50]: And yes, they do have a twenty five feet. [4:36:50, 4:36:51]: said May. [4:36:52, 4:36:53]: That's a low density. [4:36:54, 4:36:56]: What this council has approved [4:36:56, 4:36:57]: is a high density. [4:36:59, 4:37:08]: What is before this council now is whether or not to approve this variance of a twenty-five feet setback of a high density development. [4:37:10, 4:37:11]: I do not agree with it. [4:37:12, 4:37:15]: Видо ні айденси девелмент. [4:37:16, 4:37:16]: With [4:37:17, 4:37:18]: That many units. [4:37:18, 4:37:20]: With a twenty five feet setback. [4:37:22, 4:37:23]: In my district. [4:37:24, 4:37:25]: The residents that were here. [4:37:26, 4:37:27]: They expressed their concerns with it. [4:37:28, 4:37:29]: I've done everything I could. [4:37:30, 4:37:31]: To try to get it [4:37:31, 4:37:35]: Through to these developers that I'm not satisfied or happy. [4:37:35, 4:37:36]: With them. [4:37:36, 4:37:38]: in this proposed development. [4:37:39, 4:37:42]: I've made my concerns known from the very beginning. [4:37:43, 4:37:44]: The parking issue. [4:37:44, 4:37:46]: Was a result of them [4:37:46, 4:37:49]: bringing to this council a proposal. [4:37:49, 4:37:51]: For two hundred and fifty units. [4:37:53, 4:37:54]: On the site. [4:37:56, 4:37:58]: They wanted to develop two hundred and fifty units. [4:37:58, 4:38:03]: On this site, I express to them my concerns about on street parking. [4:38:03, 4:38:05]: Their way of addressing it. [4:38:05, 4:38:06]: Is by adding [4:38:07, 4:38:09]: These parking spaces in the middle. [4:38:10, 4:38:13]: And still asking for a twenty five feet setback. [4:38:13, 4:38:14]: I don't support it. [4:38:15, 4:38:30]: That's all. Thank you. I need a motion um council in reference to the proposal before you for the twenty five for the variance change. Sir, I need to make a motion to approve uh the changes as uh was described earlier. Mr. Alexander, is there a second? [4:38:32, 4:38:35]: Mr. Blount, second that. All in favor, please indicate. [4:38:36, 4:38:47]: All right. Three zero one. You abstain. I will submit. I will oppose. Oh, you actually oppose this variance. I'm opposing. Little me jump. This variance. Thank you. Okay. Three one. Motion passed. [4:38:49, 4:38:50]: All right. [4:38:51, 4:38:52]: Thank you, gentlemen. [4:38:52, 4:38:53]: Thank you everybody. [4:38:56, 4:39:04]: All right. What we have next, new business. Council of consideration to approve the economic development incentives policy framework. Mr. Lance, please. [4:39:04, 4:39:05]: Mm. [4:39:09, 4:39:12]: What's your work for? [4:39:33, 4:39:53]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Kim Alons, Economic Development Director. I'm here before you this evening to uh present the Economic Development Incensus Policy. Uh, just for background information, the policy was presented to council at the last retreat. And last month we also sent the policy for review and [4:39:53, 4:40:13]: And feedback from council. And last week we actually conducted a few council briefings and got some feedback from council. So what is in front of you tonight is a result of those public feedback that we received. As I always like to begin my presentation with the C. [4:40:13, 4:40:33]: City vision and I will uh read that. Our goal is to be the most progressive business and family-oriented community in Metro Atlanta. So before I talk about the policy itself, I want to take some time to talk about what do we mean by when we talk about incentives in economic development. So what is a [4:40:33, 4:40:45]: An incentive. An incentive is a reward intended to induce, incite, or spur action. In economic development, it is defined as [4:40:46, 4:41:06]: something that is used to attract or retain investment within a community or a targeted neighborhood in that community to lowering a firm's cost of doing business. There are several types of incentives. They can be direct financial incentives, tax incentives, indirect financial incentives, non-financial incentives. [4:41:06, 4:41:26]: And finally, special incentives. As you can see in front of you, um we have a few. For example, a direct financial incentive would be something like loans, guarantees, revolving loan funds, something like a tax incentives would be tax exemptions or abatements, and not to go through all of them, but especially [4:41:26, 4:41:42]: Special incentive would be tax increment financing. The policy that is in front of you uses a combination of that. And let me s just say that the only direct and s financial incentive or cash incentive that we're proposing would be a job creation, which I'll go through later. [4:41:43, 4:41:45]: So why should we do this in the first place? [4:41:48, 4:41:53]: The area development magazine, which is a premiere magazine for uh development [4:41:55, 4:42:10]: in our economic development world, they um survey site selectors and corporations annually and they ask them when you're trying to make a business location decision, what factors play into that? And as you can see in front of you [4:42:11, 4:42:31]: Almost every year l state and local incentives as part of the top ten, among other things. Now what we're saying is not that incentives are the reason why someone will make a l location decision, however, it is an important tool to have in our economic development toolbox. [4:42:31, 4:42:33]: And that's why we are in front of you today. [4:42:36, 4:42:38]: So what does the policy do? [4:42:39, 4:42:51]: So basically, the goal of this policy is to outline the policies, processes, and review procedures that we're going to be using to review and offer major incentives in the city. [4:42:51, 4:43:11]: The incentive that we're policy that we're creating is based on our economic development priorities. And we have ten listed in the full policy, but I just have three in front of in this presentation just for context and reference. For example, it is to enhance our cities' competitiveness. It is to increase or encourage mixed use development. [4:43:11, 4:43:15]: It is to create high wage, high value jobs. [4:43:16, 4:43:34]: Now, in terms of how the policy is set up, application and awards will be determined based on metrics that we've established. The metrics are based on our economic development priorities, on the capital investment, the number of jobs that are gonna be created, and the average weekly wage. [4:43:35, 4:43:40]: The maximum score that someone can receive based on these metrics. [4:43:40, 4:43:42]: is one hundred. [4:43:44, 4:43:54]: In order to award the incentives, we created some we created some guidelines based on tiers. For example, in order to get into tier one, you need a minimum score of forty. [4:43:54, 4:43:59]: Tier two, sixty, tier three, eighty, tier four, ninety. [4:44:00, 4:44:02]: The available incentives that we're proposing [4:44:02, 4:44:22]: are tax increment financing, permit and impact fee waivers, business license and occupational tax waivers, water and sewer abatements, job creation incentive, and downtown revolving loan fund. We also have tax abatement. Now some of these tools are tools that are subject to approval either by us or by another entity. The reason why [4:44:22, 4:44:42]: Why we include them is because we wanted this policy to be as comprehensive and as holistic as possible because we have some tools in our toolbox that we can use at the moment. So as we're creating the policy, we're going to make sure that we leave that opportunity as those tools get added into our toolbox. Just to give you an example, we've been talking about creating a TAD, and that is something [4:44:42, 4:44:58]: something that the policy contemplates, although the TAD is not fully implemented yet, because we are working with our partners to make that happen. Now, once that is part of our toolbox, then this policy would cover that. So we're just trying to cover everything that we can with this policy. [4:45:01, 4:45:21]: Just to give you an idea of the possible tax and possible incentives, you have tax abatement. The tax abatement would be provided on a reimbursement basis, and the maximum that someone can get is a 90% reimbursement on the city's portion of the tax, and that is subject to implementation again. And the maximum would be 10 years. [4:45:20, 4:45:40]: Tax increment financing subject to tail implementation would be again on a reimbursement basis with a maximum of 90% reimbursement for a maximum of 10 years. Permit and impact fee waivers would be for certain permit and impact fee waivers, it would be a reduction of up to 50% subject to the tier, and it is a one-time reimbursement. [4:45:41, 4:45:49]: Business and license business license and occupational tax waivers, that would be a maximum of twenty-five thousand up to five years based on the tier. [4:45:49, 4:46:09]: Order and sewer rebates, same idea. Reimbursement basis up to 50% for up to five years, based on the tier. Job creation incentive. As I mentioned before, this would be the only cash incentive that it would be provided. That would be uh based on key industries that the policy outlines for maximum. [4:46:09, 4:46:12]: For a minimum of five jobs rather. [4:46:12, 4:46:28]: And they would be able to receive two thousand per job based on high wage, high value jobs, which is defined in the policy. And that would be an additional bonus if the jobs are located in the downtown area as we're trying to revitalize and redevelop downtown. [4:46:30, 4:46:50]: We also have a state job tax credit, which is based on state designation of an opportunity zone. We included that in the policy. And the requirement from the state is that you create a minimum of two jobs to receive up to$3,500 per job. And that is taken against the company's Georgia tax liability and payroll withholding tax. [4:46:50, 4:46:50]: Yeah. [4:46:51, 4:46:54]: And then finally we have the downtown revolving loan fund, which is a [4:46:54, 4:46:57]: pro is which is a program that is supported by the state [4:46:57, 4:46:59]: Through DCA. [4:46:59, 4:47:10]: And the way that program works is a municipality or a local entity such as the Downtown Development Authority needs to support that project. So that is something we would add in our toolbox as well. [4:47:13, 4:47:15]: How would we process with this? [4:47:16, 4:47:35]: If someone were to uh apply for this, for first of all, we would do what we call a pre-application meeting to make sure that um whatever they're proposing is within our economic development priorities, then the incentive application itself would be submitted to our economic development department for review. [4:47:35, 4:47:38]: Uh staff would review it and evaluate based on [4:47:39, 4:47:43]: a few things. It is important when we talk about incentives to mention that [4:47:44, 4:47:57]: We only give incentives to things that we want to encourage, we want to incite. And as we give incentives, we want to make sure that we're protecting the city, that we don't give more than we receive in terms of benefits. So that's why it's important to conduct [4:47:57, 4:48:17]: a cost benefit analysis, which the city will do as part of that process. And based on on our own analysis, we would make recommendations to the city manager. The city manager then would take a look at the recommendation and decide whether or not this needs to come to city council for final approval. And if council approves then we would move to [4:48:17, 4:48:19]: what we call an implementation. [4:48:20, 4:48:25]: Oh typically it's a developer's agreement or an agreement of some sort with a corporation. [4:48:26, 4:48:28]: I've said a lot of stuff, so [4:48:30, 4:48:35]: To just give give you a case study, um, to take a look at what would that look like in in reality. [4:48:36, 4:48:44]: Let's say, for example, we have a mixed-use development and it's about 300 units. It would include some restaurants and offices. [4:48:44, 4:48:47]: And the total capital investment would be around sixty million. [4:48:47, 4:48:56]: The total jobs would be five, and the salary would be considered higher than the county average. So, based on the key metrics that we have developed. [4:48:56, 4:49:13]: When we look at ED priorities, which is economic development priorities, we determine that, you know, this project would score twenty, the capital investment would score twenty-five, the number of jobs would score five, and the average weekly wage would score fifteen, which would bring the overall score to sixty-five. [4:49:14, 4:49:21]: Now in terms of applicable tier, the a this particular application would be around the second tier. [4:49:21, 4:49:41]: Based on the second tier, this is what the applicant would be eligible for. Now let me say this: just because they're eligible for it does not mean that they're gonna get everything that they requested or everything that they're eligible for, because again, it is all about cost-benefit analysis. So the analysis would determine what can we can give them. [4:49:41, 4:49:47]: them as a municipality. So tax abatement again that would be between 50 to 70 percent. [4:49:47, 4:49:58]: The TIFF credits right now it's non applicable because we don't know what those are. Uh permit and impact fee waivers, they would get a thirty percent re reduction, and that is a one time reduction. [4:49:59, 4:50:19]: Water and sewer rebates, they would get 30% reduction up to three years. Uh business license and tax waivers and occupational tax waivers, they would get up to fifteen thousand, up to three years. And for the job incentives, they would get a thousand for the five jobs for two years, which would be a total of ten thousand dollars. And finally, [4:50:19, 4:50:36]: Uh well the state job tax credits would be subject to state designation, so we don't know what that is yet. Uh and then finally the D the RLF, it's if it's a downtown property, we would be recommending approval for it. So that is just to give you an idea of what in reality something like that could look like. [4:50:38, 4:50:41]: With that being said, I'll be more than happy to take any questions. [4:50:41, 4:51:01]: I thank you for the presentation, uh, Mr. Lott. Council, any questions? Just a comment. Sorry if we had you waiting there, but uh we you're here. I certainly appreciate it. You're certainly on the right track going in the right direction. And if you tuned in, please understand that we're interested in bringing you downtown and [4:51:01, 4:51:21]: And certainly, we certainly have had a business owner use the revolving loan fund for a project in excess of a million dollars downtown. And we're moving through that process right now. Mr. Alonce, is that correct? Yes. So in essence, if you're looking to come to Stockbridge, you secure financing and you can't come up with the [4:51:21, 4:51:36]: the total amount needed, we provide gap financing through the Revolving Loan Fund through the Downtown Development Authority. And we're assisting business owners doing that. And we can assist you if you come and join the Downtown Renaissance. Thank you. [4:51:38, 4:51:40]: Any uh comments from the council? [4:51:41, 4:51:49]: Okay. Not in the motion, go ahead to accept this uh economic development uh incentive policy. [4:51:49, 4:51:55]: So moved. Is there a second? Mr. Alexander um Mr Thomas Secondette, all in favor, please indicate. [4:51:56, 4:52:16]: NASA decision. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for council. Appreciate it. Okay, I have a bunch of announcements and upcoming meetings and events. Um council meetings will be held, uh city council chambers noting some board and committee meetings will be will uh will continue to take place by way of Zoom. Meeting dates and times are subject to change. Please visit the city's website at W [4:52:16, 4:52:36]: www.city of stopbridge.com for meeting invitation link, Facebook page, or contact City Hall offices, 770-389-7900 for any type of updates. Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. on May 9th. Main Street Advisory Board meetings [4:52:35, 4:52:55]: second Friday of each month, 9 o'clock a.m. in the Welcome Center 130 Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail, which is May 12th. Downtown Development Authority meeting third Tuesday of each month. Welcome Center 130 Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail May 16th. U Council Advisory Committee meeting 630 [4:52:55, 4:53:15]: P.M. third to third Tuesday of each month in the Levi Meeting Room in City Hall, May 16th. Planning Commission meeting 6:30. City Council Chambers fourth Thursday of each month, May 25th. City Council Work Session meeting last Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, May 30th. City Council meeting second Monday of each month. [4:53:15, 4:53:35]: 6 p.m. in City Hall Chambers, which is June 12th. The U Council meeting is 6:30 PM, second Monday of each month, City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, and June 12th. Upcoming events, join us for Food Truck Tasty Tuesday, 5:30, 8:30, Clark Park Community. [4:53:35, 4:53:38]: Park Clark Community Park. [4:53:38, 4:53:58]: 111 Davis Row, lots of great food activities for everyone. Save the date. Carrie May Hammer Day, Saturday, May 13th. More information, follow contact, Councilman Thomas, 404-247-4972 for more information. Join Councilman Thomas for Don't Trash. Stockbridge centered around education, highlighting the causes. [4:53:58, 4:54:18]: effects of littering and illegal dumping. More information to follow on that as well. Henry for Music H F H F M presents a ASEP violin class and music program in Cotton Indian of Cotton Indian, Red Oak and Fairview Elementary Schools as students from [4:54:18, 4:54:38]: The HFM Youth Orchestra United Join Through Music, Joy Through Music. Spring concert 2023 on Tuesday, May 16th, and uh 2023, of course, 7 p.m. of Merle Manders Conference Center, and we'll feature Mare Po Tam Barber on the violin. 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New and gently used teddy bears can be left at the police department located 4545 North Henry Boulevard or scan the QR code on the city's website to purchase one from Amazon. Bears are used to comfort children receiving certain children. [4:55:38, 4:55:58]: And receiving services for after significant incidents. And of course, meet the mayor. Um, it's coming up soon as well. I believe it's set from May 30th, I should know that 10 to noon. And then ask me a call, Ros and Raws at 68-678-833-3348. And for my particular comments. [4:55:58, 4:56:18]: I would first like to say happy Mother's Day to you mothers, all right out that are out there. It's this coming weekend, it's Sunday. And for Mother's Day, I want you to know that there are still tickets available to see Maxwell at the Amphitheater Saturday night and/or Sunday night. Matter of fact, you can buy tickets for both nights. Come and see them two nights in a row, right? So come to the amphitheater and enjoy the [4:56:18, 4:56:33]: that uh wonderful sir uh wonderful concert. Uh COVID-19 is still still around us, so make sure you take all your vaccinations and boosters as needed and all the additional things that you need to be healthy. Let's see here. [4:56:34, 4:56:39]: Well th the other comment I'd like to make is that uh believe it or not, the the the Vanessa holiday [4:56:39, 4:56:41]: The c city clerk and I [4:56:41, 4:56:43]: completed the inaugural cohort [4:56:44, 4:57:04]: Uh certification for completion of uh diversity equity inclusion class with GMA just the other day. And so we're part of that initial class, so had a great time learning a lot of things about diversity, equity, inclusion, and things that we want to implement here with the city itself. So uh congratulations to Miss Holiday and for uh [4:57:04, 4:57:23]: uh hanging with me and keeping me awake during the classes. All right. And as far as I know we have no um second session issues or or things to talk about. So on that note, uh council I'd like to ask for a motion to end our council meeting. So moved. Is there a second? Second. All right. All in favor please indicate. [4:57:23, 4:57:25]: God bless y'all. We are done for tonight. [4:57:28, 4:57:29]: Oh Jesus.

--- title: Planning Commission date: 2023-04-27 source: 2023-04-27_Planning_Commission.wav --- [0:02:35, 0:02:36]: [158.3, 160.8]: [0:04:37, 0:04:45]: I'm gonna ask you to do the invitation. No, okay. Tibetal. Tibetan. Mr. Thibodeau. [0:04:47, 0:04:50]: So now I can do it. [0:04:51, 0:04:53]: I'm gonna need to get through this. [0:04:58, 0:05:00]: Doomers the person. [0:05:00, 0:05:01]: If you have the answer to the time. [0:05:03, 0:05:04]: Like [0:05:08, 0:05:25]: Come on, Doom. You got that preacher for us. Doom was got it. Because he sounds just like a preacher. Uh oh. Good evening everyone. [0:05:26, 0:05:29]: We're gonna go ahead and call the planning commission meeting to order. [0:05:31, 0:05:35]: And we will start with the invocation. Mr. Thibodeau. [0:05:35, 0:05:37]: You must don't miss that. [0:05:38, 0:05:38]: Mm-hmm. [0:05:39, 0:05:40]: Okay, you got it. [0:05:41, 0:05:48]: Let us pray. Living God as we gather together here tonight to conduct the business of the city. [0:05:49, 0:06:00]: We invite you to enter in our hearts and guide our thoughts and control our lives so that we may continue to be servants of all. Amen. [0:06:00, 0:06:01]: Amen. [0:06:03, 0:06:05]: If everyone would stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. [0:06:06, 0:06:08]: And we can all say it in unison. [0:06:09, 0:06:21]: I pledge allegiance to the flag to the United States of America, to the Republic which stands, a nation under God, indivisible, with liberty, justice for all. [0:06:29, 0:06:32]: Okay. Miss Logan is gonna do the roll call. [0:06:39, 0:06:41]: I ski abdul. [0:06:42, 0:06:49]: Kathleen Nelson. Present. Stanley Dumas. Present. Harold Thoubodeau. Present. David Planchon. [0:06:50, 0:06:50]: President [0:06:53, 0:06:55]: Madam Chairman, we have a quorum. [0:06:58, 0:06:59]: Okay. [0:07:02, 0:07:07]: So we are gonna move forward with the adoption of the agenda. [0:07:09, 0:07:10]: For this evening. [0:07:10, 0:07:11]: If someone would [0:07:13, 0:07:18]: Make a motion to adopt the agenda. Madam Chair, I move that we adopt the agenda as presented. [0:07:19, 0:07:20]: May I have a second? [0:07:23, 0:07:26]: I'll second it. Harold Thibodeau second it. [0:07:28, 0:07:29]: Okay. [0:07:30, 0:07:32]: So we can now have the agenda adopted. Hold it. [0:07:33, 0:07:43]: Excuse me, could I I'm sorry. Repeat who made the motion and then who seconded, please? Okay for each item. Mr. Dumas made the motion and Mr. Thibodeau seconded the motion. [0:07:45, 0:07:47]: Take bite, take bite. [0:07:48, 0:07:54]: Okay. May have a vote in favor of the agenda. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. [0:07:55, 0:07:59]: Okay. It has been approved to adopt today's agenda. [0:08:00, 0:08:01]: Yeah. [0:08:02, 0:08:10]: All right, now we're gonna approve the minutes for the January twenty-sixth, two thousand twenty-three meeting, if everyone would review it. [0:08:14, 0:08:18]: And let us know if any corrections need to be made. [0:08:44, 0:08:52]: Okay, may I have a motion to adopt adopt the January minutes? Mr. David Planchon, I'd like to make a motion to accept the minutes as written. [0:08:52, 0:08:53]: May I have a second? [0:08:53, 0:08:56]: And I second it. Harold Thibodeau. [0:08:56, 0:08:57]: All in favor? [0:08:58, 0:08:59]: Aye. Aye. [0:09:00, 0:09:05]: Okay, and we will move to have the January twenty-sixth, two thousand twenty-three [0:09:05, 0:09:06]: Minutes approved. [0:09:09, 0:09:12]: Did you uh get that lender who made the motion? [0:09:14, 0:09:15]: Okay, thank you. [0:09:17, 0:09:18]: Okay. [0:09:18, 0:09:20]: And Miss Linda. [0:09:20, 0:09:24]: You want to continue by presenting the rest of the information for this evening? [0:09:31, 0:09:36]: Uh madam chair, we're actually ready to uh move into the agenda at this time. [0:09:58, 0:10:05]: So at this time, um Madam Vice Chair will read the uh agenda item um as a our first public hearing. [0:10:05, 0:10:06]: I'm sorry. [0:10:06, 0:10:12]: I said we will um need to go through and go ahead and read through the first item on the agenda as a public hearing. [0:10:12, 0:10:15]: Okay, so you want me to read it? Okay. All right. [0:10:19, 0:10:26]: So the first thing is the city of Stockbridge adoption of the combined official zoning and overlay district map. [0:10:26, 0:10:28]: Number O Z M two zero. [0:10:28, 0:10:30]: Two three zero one. [0:10:31, 0:10:43]: Consideration of amend read the whole thing. You can read all the way through. Okay. Consideration of amendments to the official zoning map and overlay district map in accordance with the resolution and refer referendum annexation method. [0:10:43, 0:10:47]: voted upon during the November eighth, two thousand twenty two election. [0:10:48, 0:10:51]: There are approximately two thousand two hundred and two. [0:10:52, 0:10:56]: plus or minus new parcels to be added to the Stockbridge city boundaries. [0:10:56, 0:11:02]: As indicated within House Bill six twelve, including but not limited to twenty-three subdivision communities. [0:11:03, 0:11:05]: And parcels primarily consisting [0:11:05, 0:11:09]: Of one thousand five hundred and seven plus or minus single family residential. [0:11:09, 0:11:13]: One hundred and f five combined commercial and industrial, etcetera. [0:11:13, 0:11:20]: The zoning and overlay district map will be combined as a single document. The previous zoning map and overlay district map. [0:11:20, 0:11:24]: adopted on march fourteenth, two thousand twenty two will be repealed and replaced. [0:11:26, 0:11:28]: To be presented by the community development staff. [0:11:30, 0:11:50]: Number eight, the final plat case, number PL. We're just dealing with the first case, um chair. So thank you very much. So um before you, Madam Chair and um planning commissioners, uh we have the um zoning map, which has been combined with our overlay district map. As you might recall, last March when the unified [0:11:50, 0:12:00]: development code was adopted. We also adopted a zoning map, an official zoning map, and also an official overlay district map. [0:12:00, 0:12:20]: Since the annexation passed in November, the annexed properties came into the city effective January 1st, 2023. And with that, we needed to apply zoning to those parcels as they came into the city limits. So what we have before you is the proposed zoning [0:12:20, 0:12:40]: Districts and the overlay districts based on what the state annexation code requires the jurisdiction to do. It requires us to bring in a zoning from the county that into a compatible zoning district for the city. And that's what we've done here. [0:12:40, 0:13:00]: So you have also a a larger map in front of you. So please let me know if you have any questions. Again, the idea was to combine the official zoning map and the f the overlay district map so that we didn't have to look at two separate maps. And sometimes it's tough for people to look at that and not know. [0:13:00, 0:13:05]: whether they're in an overlay district or not, just by looking at the zoning. So we've tried to solve that here. [0:13:16, 0:13:19]: You may have already answered my question, but [0:13:21, 0:13:31]: I really wanted to understand who benefits from combining the maps. Is it for staff's benefit or is it for the public's benefit or [0:13:31, 0:13:51]: It's it's primarily for the public's benefit and for staffs because what we're our goal is to once this ad uh plan is adopted, then we would put this information online and make it an interactive map so that not only residents and business owners can look at their property based on the address or the parcel ID number. [0:13:51, 0:13:53]: Де ставки аз. [0:13:54, 0:14:09]: And that helps us to make sure that we're more accurate in our assessment of the zoning. And it helps to, you know, serve our customers in a more streamlined way. So they don't necessarily have to call us. They can go online and find the zoning themselves. [0:14:10, 0:14:17]: I guess my only concern um is I'm having difficulty reading it. Um [0:14:19, 0:14:26]: Not the zoning part, but the overlay districts seemed like it got more complicated than it was pre when they were separate. [0:14:26, 0:14:46]: So we haven't w what we only done are added in um we haven't added many districts to the mixed use overlay, only those that are along those major corridors where they already were located, like 138 and Eagles Landing and parts of Rock Quarry. So the map you have in front of you that you were provided is roll. [0:14:46, 0:15:06]: Rolled up next to you has the hatched the marks that show what whether a property has an overlay district tied to it in darker lines so it is easier to see. Having, you know, this is this is a a screenshot put here for you guys to review, but the actual document itself will be. [0:15:06, 0:15:12]: much clearer and easily to be read. Also when you put your pointer on that parcel. [0:15:12, 0:15:23]: it will outline for you the zoning and the overlay district that you are in. So it will provide that as part of the interactive map we are looking to create as a result of this approval. [0:15:23, 0:15:24]: Gotcha. [0:15:27, 0:15:28]: Are there any other questions? [0:15:32, 0:15:35]: I have a motion to adopt to adopt them. [0:15:38, 0:15:52]: Madam Chairman Stan Dumas, I move that we adopt this combination as presented. What one second, I'm sorry, this is a public hearing, so we would have to get the public's input on on this item. No problem, no problem. [0:15:54, 0:15:57]: We only do this every w once every two or three years. [0:16:01, 0:16:06]: Well you can open you you can open it up for anyone to speak in favor or opposition. [0:16:15, 0:16:17]: Thank you. [0:16:18, 0:16:25]: They they can't hear you. Y your mic is on? Oh, sorry. Okay. Are there any comments um from the public at this time? [0:16:27, 0:16:29]: Okay, since there are no comments from the public. [0:16:29, 0:16:33]: Uh may I have a motion to adopt the combined official zoning and overlay district map? [0:16:35, 0:16:36]: Oh move. [0:16:37, 0:16:38]: Do I have a second? [0:16:39, 0:16:40]: I second it, Harold. [0:16:41, 0:16:46]: Okay. May have a fo a vote now. All in favor, say aye. [0:16:46, 0:16:49]: Aye. Aye. Are there any opposed? [0:16:50, 0:16:54]: Okay, the eyes have it and we will now adopt [0:16:55, 0:16:56]: The motion. [0:16:56, 0:16:58]: For the official zoning and overlay district. [0:16:58, 0:16:59]: Thank you. [0:17:01, 0:17:08]: All right, move on to number eight, the final plat case, number PL two zero two, three, z dash zero one. [0:17:09, 0:17:13]: Consideration of a final plat for the proposed Eagles Hill Townhomes. [0:17:15, 0:17:19]: FKA Eagles Ridge Townhomes entitled Final Plat for Eagles Hill. [0:17:20, 0:17:25]: Which was prepared by Falcon Design Consultants and dated march third, two thousand twenty-three. [0:17:25, 0:17:31]: The project would be a component of the Winding Creek master plan as approved by City Council via ordinance. [0:17:31, 0:17:35]: Number OR eighteen dash four five, which requires the development. [0:17:35, 0:17:39]: To comply with the specifications of the city's previous RM dash two. [0:17:40, 0:17:42]: Multiple family resident district. [0:17:42, 0:17:44]: Townhouses zoning district. [0:17:44, 0:17:47]: The applicant proposes to develop eighty town home lots on [0:17:48, 0:17:53]: nineteen point si five seven acres at a density of four point zero eight units per acre. [0:17:53, 0:17:56]: The applicant Falcon Design Consultants. [0:17:56, 0:18:02]: The property is located on Campground Road and Highway forty two and landlots thirty three and thirty-four. [0:18:02, 0:18:03]: Of district seven. [0:18:05, 0:18:05]: Mm. [0:18:06, 0:18:22]: Okay. Yes, so um this item before you, the the code states that um all final plats are to be approved and reviewed by the Planning Commission in order for the developers to obtain building permits to start building on the property. [0:18:22, 0:18:23]: Um [0:18:23, 0:18:29]: Typically during the development phase, the civil engineer and the building inspectors will go out [0:18:29, 0:18:49]: work with the developers on ensuring that the roads are up to par, sidewalks are in, utilities are in properly in order to get to this point. Public works is also involved in this process. And before you we have the final plat again for Eagles Hill, formerly Eagles Ridge, [0:18:49, 0:19:09]: who was uh it was I think we when we annexed we realized there was another Eagles Ridge within this the county and was going to be in the city limits. So the name was changed to Eagles Hill and currently the applicants are asking for AD lots, townhomes, as part of the master plan as was mentioned earlier. [0:19:09, 0:19:20]: to the single family homes and the townhomes that are directly across the street on Campground Road. And if we just require an approval for it. But it is not a public hearing. [0:19:22, 0:19:24]: All right. Are there any questions about this? [0:19:26, 0:19:27]: Okay. [0:19:27, 0:19:42]: I I have a question. I really don't know enough about it. Uh what what was presented to us on this particular final plat case number PL twenty twenty three dash zero one. You you have the information on that except what we read? [0:19:43, 0:19:47]: You have the plat in your in your folders? [0:19:49, 0:20:09]: I'm sorry, I cannot hear you. We were invited to come out there and look at the area that oh no, you I think you're thinking of an the other project on Johtaco Road. Okay. Um no, this is a project that for any project that comes into the city that is getting a building permits, they require are required to have a final plat. [0:20:09, 0:20:28]: which means that the city is going to accept the roads, going to accept the maintenance and things like that. That is a separate process that's done through the city council. And they are required to go through this process in order to get building permits and start building on the property. [0:20:34, 0:20:44]: So where are we on this right now, as far as this particular piece of uh property? Have they uh w where are we with the city on this? [0:20:44, 0:21:04]: Well, they're the they're at this point where they have gone through and uh developed the property and prepped the land. They put in the sidewalks, utilities, curb and gutter, streets, um, so that they can start the building process. So they've met the state requirements and all of city requirements as it pertains to um [0:21:04, 0:21:06]: Um getting the property ready for building. [0:21:07, 0:21:13]: So basically they've met all their permits and requirements to develop the land. They have at this time, yes, sir. Okay. [0:21:15, 0:21:25]: Uh we do have someone representing the applicant in case there are questions uh for then. Mr. Romeris is here. Can he come up and tell us more about it so we have a better understanding? [0:21:26, 0:21:26]: Yeah. [0:21:31, 0:21:51]: Hello, how are you? My name is Francisco Ramirez and I am a land development manager manager for Meritage Homes. Um so for this property, as Breca said, um it's it's we're we're the the site is developed, so we have curb and gutter, roads, the entrance monuments in utilities. Uh we went through the city to get all the approvals, the permits. [0:21:51, 0:21:57]: So we are at the process where we are ready for planning so we can get our building permits to start building. [0:22:01, 0:22:06]: Have we done a traffic study for that area? Uh do you have that also? [0:22:06, 0:22:26]: All of all of the because this is part of a larger plan, all these studies had been done previously. Um Campground Road was upgraded by the county, um, it's under county jurisdiction, and they made improvements to it uh several years ago. Um so um there would be no required additional [0:22:26, 0:22:38]: traffic study as this overall development had to have met their minimum requirements for road improvements back when the original single family homes were being built. [0:22:42, 0:22:43]: All right, thank you. [0:22:47, 0:22:50]: No questions by me, Miss Nelson. [0:23:05, 0:23:06]: Final flat case. [0:23:08, 0:23:18]: PL two zero two three dashes. I'm sorry. Uh may I have a motion to adopt the final plaque case number PL two zero two three- zero one? [0:23:23, 0:23:27]: Madam Chair, I move that we adopt the flat case that's presented. [0:23:28, 0:23:30]: And I second it, Harold. [0:23:32, 0:23:35]: Okay, all in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. [0:23:36, 0:23:37]: Any opposed? [0:23:40, 0:23:47]: Okay, so moved we will adopt the final plaque case, PL two zero two three- zero one. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, uh Planning Commissioners. [0:23:49, 0:23:53]: Okay, moving on to the comprehensive plan amendment case. [0:23:53, 0:23:56]: Number CP dash two zero two two dash zero six. [0:23:57, 0:24:00]: Consideration of a comprehensive plan amendment request. [0:24:00, 0:24:05]: To assign the future land use designation of property property located at [0:24:05, 0:24:10]: Five seven six Davis Road, parcel number S zero five dash zero. [0:24:10, 0:24:11]: One zero zero. [0:24:12, 0:24:13]: two zero zero zero. [0:24:13, 0:24:18]: To high density residential to allow for the construction of a town home development. [0:24:18, 0:24:21]: Applicant four star real estate group, USA Incorporated. [0:24:21, 0:24:22]: Agent. [0:24:22, 0:24:24]: Alex Brock of Smith. [0:24:24, 0:24:26]: Gambrel and Russell. [0:24:26, 0:24:28]: L L P the property is located in land lot. [0:24:29, 0:24:34]: ninety one of district twelve and it contains twenty seven point six three five plus or minus acres. [0:24:41, 0:24:44]: And we'll now have the presentation. [0:24:45, 0:24:46]: That's my presentation. [0:25:00, 0:25:01]: Oh my god. [0:25:03, 0:25:05]: Uh uh [0:25:17, 0:25:32]: All right. Good evening, Planning Commission members. My name is Gordon Linton, Planner One for the City of Stockbridge, and I'm here to present the case for CP twenty twenty two-0 six, located at five seventy six Davis Road in Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:25:36, 0:25:56]: And these are the case facts. The applicant is four-star USA Real Estate Group, and the applicant's request is to assign the future land use destination of the property to high-density residential to allow the development of a townhome community with 170 units. The number of proposed units [0:25:56, 0:26:16]: Units per acre is 6.15 units per acre. The address of the property, as mentioned earlier, is 576 Davis Road. And the project characteristics, they have three single-family residences and a detached garage. In addition, it is a long, narrow, long-wood. [0:26:16, 0:26:29]: and narrow lot that slopes downward to the north where a stream and buffer are located. Currently, the city land use designation is Low Density Residential and the sign was posted on January 9th, 2023. [0:26:35, 0:26:55]: This is the City of Stockbridge comprehensive plan for 2018 through 2038. The future land use designation map designates the subject project property as low density residential. However, the current future land use map is compatible with the requested resulting to MFR, which is multifamily residential. [0:26:54, 0:27:02]: Therefore, the applicant is seeking a comprehensive plan amendment to assign a future land use designation to high density residential. [0:27:06, 0:27:26]: And this is the map, this is a feature land use map of five seventy six Davis Road. As you can see, the property is um low density residential and is mostly surrounded by either medium density to the east and to the west, and you also have a high density over here on the western portion as well. [0:27:30, 0:27:39]: And you also have Walmart here too as well. So it's low density, medium density, and also high density in that area, in the surrounding area. [0:27:43, 0:28:03]: The surrounding land use destination, the property to the north is low density residential with single family detached homes located along Valley Hill Road. The property to the south is Stopbrace Estates Mobile Home Park, and that is medium density residential. The property to the east is single family detached homes. [0:28:03, 0:28:22]: Which is located alongside Davis Road and Sentry Oaks, which is a duplex subdivision. And they're also medium density. And the property to the west is Pine Hill Estates, which is Mobile Home Park. And you also have Wildwood Estates, which is low density residential, medium density residential as well. [0:28:26, 0:28:46]: And this is the aerial photo of the property. As you can see here on the site, this is 576 Davis Road. And the road, and this is 576 Davis Road, the artillery road. And you also have the Stockbridge Estates, and you also have the Pine Hill Estates, and you also have the Century Oaks. And to the west is Big Oaks Villas, which is located around here. [0:28:46, 0:28:47]: Here and here. [0:28:51, 0:29:11]: The surrounded land use densities. Um, so the number units uh for all of the surrounding areas ranges from ninety-one to two hundred and thirty-three. And with the estimated density per acre is with two and a half units per acre, point eight eight units per acre, one point three units per acre. [0:29:11, 0:29:26]: And you also have four units per acre, three units per acre, and you have one with nine units per acre. And the Davis Rowe Townhomes, which is the pros, is 170 units per acre with six and a half, six point one five units per acre. [0:29:31, 0:29:44]: This is the Davis Town Home, Davis Road Town Homes. Um they also have it will also feature a dog park, uh amenity in the open space area with an open with an eight foot walking trail. [0:29:46, 0:29:49]: And this right here is where Davis Road is as well. [0:29:54, 0:30:14]: The staff analysis, the consistency with the comp comprehensive plan, the requested comprehensive plan of the subject property from low density residential to high density residential is necessary because the current land use does not allow the development of the townhomes. Furthermore, the proposed densities will be compatible with the with the required density for the current [0:30:14, 0:30:34]: Land use destination. In relation to the zoning of the property, the properties requested zoning is non-compatible with the list of permitted uses that are found in the comprehensive plan. To allow the proposed zoning, the applicant has requested that the property be assigned the MFR multi multiple family residential to allow the townhomes to be built. The rezoning will be currently [0:30:33, 0:30:53]: Heard concurrently with this case along with the requested variants. The suitability of the site's location, this proposed high-density residential would be compatible with the high-density residential land use designation of the big Oaks villas located to the east. Furthermore, page 45 of the Stockbridge Comprehensive Plan provides a little [0:30:53, 0:31:13]: list of permitted uses that are compatible with the land use designations, which includes multiple family residential. And maintaining the current land use designation. Maintaining the current land use designation will be allowable for the applicant to develop the townhomes due to its prop proximity from an existing townhome that is located within the area. [0:31:13, 0:31:23]: Furthermore, it is unlikely that the subject property will be developed with the type of uses that are permitted by the existing low density residential use designation. [0:31:27, 0:31:47]: And the staff recommendation. The staff report has demonstrated that the requested comprehensive plan amendment via CP twenty twenty-two-six will be necessary and devo desirable for the subject property in conjunction with the requested zoning of the property via 2022-007 to allow for the proposed. [0:31:46, 0:31:56]: to proposed multifamily units. Therefore, the planning and zoning staff recommends approval of the requested change in the property's future land use designation to high density residential. [0:31:59, 0:32:00]: Close. [0:32:03, 0:32:04]: Right and slasher. [0:32:07, 0:32:08]: Back. [0:32:16, 0:32:36]: Um I did want to make sure that you guys knew about the staff recommendation. We did have one update to it. There are two conditions before you. Um the first condition is the comprehensive plan amendment shall not be approved unless the applicant's request is rezoning via RZ. [0:32:36, 0:32:48]: E-202207 to rezone the property from rural residential to multifamily residential is approved to allow the townhomes to be built. [0:32:48, 0:32:52]: We wanted to make sure we made that additional clarification for the for the record. [0:33:01, 0:33:11]: Okay, I noticed um oh in the summary of impact concern section, there weren't any comments provided by the code compliance in the police department. Was there a reason for that? [0:33:15, 0:33:18]: And then for the fire marshal it says NA. [0:33:20, 0:33:40]: Typically as part of our um evaluation um comments from the police department or code enforcement are not required um for rezoning. They don't have any um impact on the actual land use or zoning that's being proposed before you tonight. We do put that in for rezoning just to address [0:33:40, 0:33:45]: address it um but it is not required for this rezoning process. [0:33:46, 0:33:47]: Okay. [0:33:53, 0:33:55]: Do you all have any questions? [0:33:55, 0:34:15]: Yeah, Madam Chair, I noticed that uh w we don't get any traffic studies. That's that's a lot of homes and what's considered all what's already there, and then you're gonna add a hundred and seventy more town homes. Uh that that will be heard in uh Lynt uh in the Rosona case, which will be presented by [0:34:15, 0:34:16]: Badlander. [0:34:16, 0:34:17]: Okay. [0:34:18, 0:34:19]: I I didn't hear you. What did you say? [0:34:20, 0:34:24]: That will be presented in the rezoning case by Linda as far as the traffic study. Oh okay. [0:34:29, 0:34:49]: The the item before you tonight is this particular item is for the comprehensive plan amendment, which is required before we go through the rezoning process and any variances that are attached to this property. Um so this is simply just for the comprehensive plan amendment. And then we'll talk about the rezoning in the next [0:34:49, 0:34:50]: the next public hearing. [0:34:52, 0:35:03]: I didn't hear the last of what you said. Then we would hear more about the project overall as part of the rezoning, which is part of the next public hearing, which we would need to get um any comments from the public on. [0:35:08, 0:35:10]: Right. Any other questions? [0:35:12, 0:35:12]: Yeah. [0:35:13, 0:35:33]: All right. May I have a motion to adopt the comprehensive plan and we'll need to open it up. You have two options. You can either um have the applicant come up and say anything, um, and then you could have folks who are gonna speak in in favor of the request. Okay. And then folks who wanna speak in opposition of the request before a yes, please may I have the applicant [0:35:33, 0:35:34]: Come and speak. [0:35:46, 0:35:47]: Good evening. Oops. [0:35:48, 0:36:08]: Good evening, Madam Chair and members of the Planning Commission. Uh before I begin, just one point of procedure. Uh since items nine, ten, and eleven uh are all concerning the same property and the uh same development, do we want to take those in order or one at a time? We are taking them one at a time. It's a vote for each one. [0:36:08, 0:36:22]: Okay, so I'll have ten minutes for each No no no you can do it one time. Um but but remember this is for the comprehensive plan amendment, not the rezounding. That's the rezounding is next. That's why I just wanted clarification if I need to come back up here three times or [0:36:23, 0:36:31]: Yes. Yes. But not to do not to present the same thing the whole time, but come up in in favor of understanding I'll present just the comp plan this time. Sounds good. [0:36:32, 0:36:45]: Um but a lot of the facts may overlap, but so you know. And before I begin I have one handout. This was uh emailed to uh planning staff earlier today, but it is the letter of support that we've received from a uh adjacent neighbor. [0:36:53, 0:37:06]: Again, good evening, Madam Chair and Planning Commission. My name is Alex Brock with Smith Gambrel Russell. I'm here on behalf of the applicant of Fourstar USA Real Estate Group. Joining me tonight, I have Jack Burke and Reyn Ghiazzoni with Four Star. [0:37:07, 0:37:11]: Uh and we are here to discuss our application for a comprehensive plan amendment. [0:37:12, 0:37:32]: To uh change the land use designation from low density residential to high density residential. Uh and before we get into what we are proposing, I just wanted to kind of go through uh what brings us here tonight, because this has been somewhat of a long journey for us. We originally submitted this back in October of last year. Um [0:37:32, 0:37:42]: And we began discussions with the city uh approximately August of last year uh on this development. And and the plan that's before you tonight has gone through a number of changes. Um uh [0:37:43, 0:38:03]: To come to what you see here tonight. Initially, we had considered a townhome development of 252 units. That would have been a density of 9.11 units per acre. That was lowered to 235 units. The 235 unit plan was submitted with the application in October. After meeting with uh planning staff as well. [0:38:03, 0:38:23]: Well as uh other stakeholders in the city. Uh we went back and revised our plan to drop the units even further. Uh we're at we're now at 170 units, so that's been a reduction of uh over 30 percent. Uh so what we have now is two-thirds of what we initially proposed. And we've also made another number of other [0:38:23, 0:38:43]: Uh changes to the site and upgrades. Uh we've included the addition of a clubhouse, uh, 10-foot sidewalks along Davis Drive that connect to the internal community, uh, increased guest parking throughout, uh, and others that I'll mention through the course of my presentation. Uh some amenities were uh [0:38:42, 0:38:53]: included from the beginning like the playground, the dog park and the the nature trails that we have at the rear of the property. Uh but let me skip to the comp plan amendment. [0:38:54, 0:39:13]: Again, we are requesting uh a comp plan amendment to high density residential, and that is to facilitate the uh proposed multifamily residential zoning, which would allow the town home use. Uh it also allows the uh proposed density that we are requesting, which is six point one five uh units per acre. [0:39:14, 0:39:34]: The current land use, low density residential, does not allow townhomes. And there's also a little bit of a quirk in the comp plan currently. The low density residential allows a density of up to two units per acre. Medium density allows two to three point six units per acre. And then there's a gap until you get to the high density. [0:39:34, 0:39:54]: Density goes from six to sixteen units per acre. So there's no available land use for between 3.6 and 6 units per acre. We are at the very low end of the high density residential land use at 6.15. We're not trying to max it out. We're not trying to go for 16. [0:39:54, 0:40:00]: And in fact, we've loaded it substantially from our initial proposal. [0:40:00, 0:40:15]: And this is in line with uh townhome developments that are in the area. As staff pointed out, the big oak develop our big oak townhomes our big oak villas townhomes uh further down Davis Road to the east of our property are currently at nine units per acre. [0:40:17, 0:40:18]: Um [0:40:21, 0:40:41]: We are also aligned with a number of comp plan uh goals of the comprehensive plan. Uh the comprehensive plan notes that uh one of the goals is to provide a variety of housing choices to suit the changing needs and lifestyles of city residents, uh, provide a mixture of housing options to attract young professionals, singles, and small families. Uh [0:40:41, 0:40:55]: Prof preserve and enhance older existing neighborhoods by promoting uh infill of new development to revitalize established neighborhoods. And the comp plan also specifically notes the lack of townhomes uh in providing um [0:40:56, 0:41:00]: Housing options or the current lack of town homes in the city uh uh [0:41:00, 0:41:20]: To provide housing options. Specifically, it notes that the dominant housing option is likely to remain single family development within the city. However, to attract certain segments of the population, like young adults and millennials, other housing options should be available. Currently, there's a lack of townhomes and smaller multifamily residential housing that's on Patriot. [0:41:20, 0:41:23]: eighteen of the city's current comprehensive plan. [0:41:25, 0:41:45]: It's unlikely that the subject property will be redeveloped with the current low density residential and the current zoning that's on the property. There are uh currently two single-family homes that have been there since the 1940s. Um and it's uh unsuitable for uh proposed development. We believe our uh townhome development. [0:41:45, 0:41:54]: uh is fitting with the with the area uh giving the surrounding uh developments uh and it's fitting within the within the community [0:41:56, 0:42:15]: I'll go through a few other features that we've discussed with um uh both planning staff as well as other stakeholders in the city uh before I rest, but just feel it's important to note uh because these issues have come up before. Um [0:42:16, 0:42:20]: Well first before I get to that, just to note public support. Uh we [0:42:20, 0:42:40]: As I noted, we s originally submitted in October. We sent out three rounds of uh public notification to the surrounding property owners. Uh the first was on January 6th of this year, uh, then again on February 28th, and then on April 10th. We have received no public response uh to our uh [0:42:40, 0:42:55]: uh notifications with one exception and that is the property owner directly to the west of us uh that owns the Pine Hills uh mobile home park and that is the letter and support that you have before you tonight. Uh other than that we have heard no uh [0:42:56, 0:43:00]: uh no comments from the community or no no questions from the community [0:43:02, 0:43:22]: Uh but we have been in uh significant discussions with planning staff as well as other stakeholders with the city to to make this a appropriate development for the city. Uh one concern was affordability. Uh these units will be priced at the high 200s, low three hundreds. Um these are for sale units, and we're not seeking any [0:43:22, 0:43:31]: tra tax credits for uh federal affordable requirements. Uh so we're not meeting HUD or we're not bound by HUD restrictions for this. These are uh [0:43:32, 0:43:48]: for sale uh town home units. Uh but we are pricing these in an affordable range. Uh the medium home price for new sales and resales in Henry County and Stockbridge in the last 12 months are range in the high 300,000. So these are well within the [0:43:48, 0:43:50]: the affordable range for new homes. [0:43:51, 0:44:11]: And what we are proposing is uh it's also particularly within the affordable range of younger homebuyers. Uh town homes typically attract younger homebuyers or empty nesters. Uh those that their kids may have moved out of their house and they're looking to downsize, they don't want to take care of a yard, uh, so they move into town homes. Um [0:44:11, 0:44:31]: Uh, which is what we are proposing. And both of these are encouraged by uh the comp plan to add a variety of housing. Um I'll touch on these other things briefly. Um, because I may touch on these more in the uh the uh rezoning or variance uh presentation. So but parking. Uh [0:44:31, 0:44:51]: One of the issues was the number of guest parking spaces that we have. As you'll hear later on tonight, we are requesting a variance for the front yard setback to reduce it from 50 feet down to 25 feet. One of the consequences of that is there's less parking within the driveway. We still have enough room within the driveway for uh one to two cars for each unit. [0:44:51, 0:45:03]: However, we've redone our site plan from what we initially proposed to provide a significant number of uh off-street parking spaces, guest parking spaces throughout the development, particularly if you look at the site plan um [0:45:05, 0:45:17]: Along the interior blocks here, uh we've removed units. Uh we've reduced the density to add the extra parking to uh um allow more guest parking. [0:45:17, 0:45:37]: Uh in specifically, we'll have a total of 281 garage spaces and 281 driveway spaces uh with 92 surface guest parking spaces for a total of 654 parking spaces throughout the development, which is significant for the size of residential development. Uh the city [0:45:37, 0:45:57]: Stockbridge requires a minimum of 2.25 spaces per three-bedroom unit, which would equate to around 383 spaces. Uh so we're 271 spaces above that requirement, or almost 1.7 times above what we are 170% above what we are required to do. And that is just to facilitate. [0:45:57, 0:46:02]: facilitate uh the parking within the community and to uh help keep [0:46:02, 0:46:06]: prevent people from parking on the street uh and blocking the drive aisles. [0:46:07, 0:46:22]: Uh open space and amenities, I touched on this briefly earlier, but uh just to reiterate, uh we are preserving approximately 7.9 acres of the overall uh 27 acre property, uh or 28.5% of the overall property as open space. Uh [0:46:24, 0:46:44]: The city only requires 15% open space, so we are significantly above that for the open space. Uh a large portion of that is to the north of the property, uh, where we have a stream buffer, but we are also uh preserving green space in the form of uh nature trails. Uh we are having we have a eight-foot concrete sidewalk that goes through the the [0:46:44, 0:46:57]: green space area. Uh as well, we're proposing clubhouse, playground, dog park, walking trail, and uh approximately s 5600 square feet of landscape uh public open space towards the the front of the development. [0:47:01, 0:47:01]: I can. [0:47:02, 0:47:22]: Oh ten minut okay. All right. Well I'll wrap up and just say uh traffic improvements. As staff noted, we have a traffic report that will be brought up in the rezoning case. I'll go into those uh improvements and how our our coordination with the Georgia DOT on its improvements of highway one thirty eight uh during the rezoning case uh to show how we impact traffic on the uh [0:47:22, 0:47:42]: streets. And then utilities and four star's other developments in the area. Four star is a national developer, but they have developed several properties in the Stockbridge area. And with that, I'll I'll rest my presentation. I'll bring up some of these other points in the other two applications. [0:47:42, 0:47:44]: Thank you. [0:47:49, 0:47:49]: Questions? [0:47:52, 0:47:56]: It's core to us. Um I'm sorry, I I can't hear you, Ms. I'm sorry. [0:47:56, 0:48:03]: I keep forgetting to turn it back on. Um, I wanted to ask, did the staff um get a response on what you all approved? [0:48:04, 0:48:10]: Uh the two points that you wanted to bring out to us, did you get a response from them on what you want what the staff wanted? [0:48:10, 0:48:11]: Do you get my question? [0:48:12, 0:48:14]: Do we get a response from the applicant? [0:48:14, 0:48:27]: Right, on the staff recommendation, yes. Um I haven't specifically spoken with them, but it is it is the will of the board to impose those conditions on them. But they're reasonable and it requires that I can't hear you. [0:48:31, 0:48:48]: I'm saying that the the zoning conditions that are in the case, they speak directly to making sure that if the comprehensive plan is approved and the others are not approved, then you know, well let me say it this way. Let me let me just read the conditions so that it's crystal clear. [0:48:57, 0:49:17]: The first condition of the two is the comprehensive plan amendment shall not be approved unless the applicants request request a rezoning via RZ-2022-07 to rezone the property from rural residential to multifamily residential is approved to allow. [0:49:17, 0:49:21]: how the townhomes to be built. And then condition number two. [0:49:23, 0:49:43]: States the comprehensive plan amendment shall not be approved unless the applicant's requested variance to reduce the required minimum front yard setback from fifty feet to twenty-five feet is approved simultaneously with this request. CP dash two zero two two-six. [0:49:43, 0:49:47]: Okay. That answers my question. Thank you. [0:49:49, 0:49:54]: All right, are we gonna open this to public comment? Okay. [0:49:55, 0:49:55]: Oops. [0:49:55, 0:49:56]: Thank you. [0:49:58, 0:50:02]: All right. Does the pu does anyone from the public want to come up and make a comment? [0:50:06, 0:50:16]: You have somebody have a hand up over here. Okay. Do we have someone who wants to speak in opposition of the request? Come on up. And please state your name and address for the record. [0:50:17, 0:50:37]: Good afternoon. My name is Dylan Garnett. I live at 566 Davis Road. It's the property adjacent to the uh proposed uh land development. Uh Madam Chair and Senior Members of the Council, thank you for allowing me to speak. Uh I just wanted to voice my disapproval. [0:50:37, 0:50:39]: Because of the [0:50:41, 0:50:48]: I guess because of how they have it zoned next to my property, it's directly adjacent to my property and the developers haven't [0:50:48, 0:51:08]: spoken to me or asked me or you know, we haven't spoke about how they plan on uh setting boundaries or anything like that. And I know they spoke about having a traffic uh study. Well, I live there and I know the study, you know, I see [0:51:08, 0:51:17]: the traffic that it's already a lot of traffic during the afternoon and stuff. Uh and we have a lot of uh like [0:51:19, 0:51:21]: I don't know how to explain this, but you know, people who [0:51:23, 0:51:24]: Чес вукін [0:51:24, 0:51:29]: you know, on the sidewalk since they developed it. A lot of people walk through my yard. So we have just security concerns. [0:51:29, 0:51:42]: and boundary concerns. And I'll just want to make sure that the development is not infringing on my property because they haven't come to speak to us or say anything to us about how they plan on building. And if their buildings are [0:51:43, 0:51:51]: facing my backyard or I can see in today's backyard. You know, I just want to make sure that we have set boundaries if it is approved. And uh [0:51:52, 0:52:00]: I don't know. They didn't speak to me, so I don't know what their plan is. And that's why me and my family do not approve of the development. [0:52:03, 0:52:07]: Miss Carter, can they answer his concerns? [0:52:07, 0:52:22]: Um for the time being we would just to take pop public comment on those that are in opposition and those that are opposed and then w before the vote then the council can can ask for the applicant to come and speak. Yes ma'am. Okay, thank you. Thank you. [0:52:25, 0:52:27]: Repeat his name and and address. [0:52:31, 0:52:36]: Dylan Garnett and the residence is five six six Davis Road. [0:52:39, 0:52:40]: Thank you, sir. [0:52:46, 0:52:54]: Hello, Madam Chair. My name is Mark McFry. I live at 289 SHIELDs Road, which is on the corner of Davis and Shields. [0:52:55, 0:52:57]: We've lived there for about six years. [0:52:58, 0:53:15]: Anyway, we received these letters and it always said go to the hearings. I didn't know that we were supposed to contact them directly. But uh yeah, our concern is the traffic, the impact of all those people. They're gonna be moving into our neighborhood. [0:53:15, 0:53:19]: It's already traffic and that stop sign that I live on the corner of [0:53:20, 0:53:23]: People run that stop sign left and right. We've had the police. [0:53:24, 0:53:27]: sit there and I've told'em they could sit in my yard. [0:53:27, 0:53:30]: and stop in cars. People get out and haunt. [0:53:31, 0:53:35]: You know, I'm just afraid they're gonna start shooting at each other. But [0:53:35, 0:53:38]: You've got two trailer parts. You've got the uh [0:53:39, 0:53:44]: rentals down through there and then you got the subdivision up north of there. [0:53:45, 0:53:55]: you add that many houses, you're gonna have that many more people, you're gonna have that much more crying, that much more uh people getting upset with each other, stuff like that. [0:53:55, 0:54:06]: Um I'm wondering if they did a impact study. I'm wondering what the storm water that's gonna come off that comes into my yard, which the water off Davis comes in my yard anyway. [0:54:07, 0:54:08]: At my expense. [0:54:09, 0:54:11]: After they put that sidewalk in. [0:54:11, 0:54:13]: That water has eroded the hill. [0:54:14, 0:54:17]: It has eroded my yard and I've rented equipment. [0:54:18, 0:54:29]: gotten rid of dead trees and tried to fix it best I could. But it looks like they're gonna just force people like us out of the neighborhood. [0:54:30, 0:54:34]: with their development because once they're finished and they've gotten paid, they're gone. [0:54:35, 0:54:37]: They don't they don't have to live there. We do. [0:54:38, 0:54:45]: And uh I've lived here in Stockbridge for twenty five years. I've lived in Georgia my whole life. [0:54:46, 0:54:50]: And I think we should have a little, you know, say so. [0:54:50, 0:54:52]: in what goes on in in our neighborhood. [0:54:54, 0:54:57]: But you know, I know this is just a hearing, but uh [0:54:58, 0:55:02]: And I don't know what y'all gonna do, but I I hope y'all take us into consideration. [0:55:11, 0:55:16]: Are there any other comments? Any comments um [0:55:16, 0:55:18]: Opposed or for the project? [0:55:24, 0:55:24]: Okay. [0:55:32, 0:55:33]: I believe the [0:55:37, 0:55:41]: the applicant will be coming up to address what the opposition [0:55:50, 0:56:10]: Z thank you. As as I noted, we're a little bit surprised we have opposition tonight. We haven't heard from anybody, but we one of the things that we try to do with our developments and our rezoning in particular is to meet with the community. You know, all we can do is send out notifications to request to meet. Um you know, i if they leave their [0:56:10, 0:56:11]: Um [0:56:11, 0:56:31]: contact information here tonight, we will gladly set up meetings with them after tonight uh to discuss their concerns. But I think a lot of these are easily uh addressed. Uh particularly uh the next door neighbor at five sixty six Davis Road. Um we do have buffers along our property, uh landscape buffers against his [0:56:31, 0:56:39]: uh property and there's no there's only I think two units that are even close or lots that are close to his property. [0:56:40, 0:56:57]: If you can hear me, uh here is five sixty six Davis. Uh these row or these units would back up with him, but you'd still have uh quite a significant amount of buffer between the back of these units at his backyard. Uh we can most can you guys hear them? [0:56:59, 0:57:02]: Oh okay, good. I'm trying to speak loud, so [0:57:05, 0:57:23]: The majority of this area is taken up by uh what we're proposing as emergency access. This would be uh a a entrance drive, but it it would be closed off only in times for uh firetruck had to get in there. For some reason the main entrance is closed. Uh this would be allowable for firetruck access, but that would be used. [0:57:24, 0:57:34]: rarely during the entire length uh lifetime of the development. Uh so this would essentially be a green space area next to the five sixty six uh Davis Road property. [0:57:35, 0:57:36]: Um [0:57:38, 0:57:46]: The other gentleman that lives at the corner of Shields and Davis, um, a lot of the issues that he brought up are currently existing with the city. We're not [0:57:47, 0:57:55]: uh exacerbating those issues. He brought up a number of people running the stop sign, traffic uh on the roads, crime. Uh those are [0:57:57, 0:58:01]: Issues that the city is dealing with currently. Uh we are not going to [0:58:02, 0:58:19]: Add to that, uh, we have done a traffic study that has shown that the uh number of vehicular trips from the proposed development will not negatively impact the uh local roadways uh or uh diminish the level of service of the adjacent intersections. Um [0:58:20, 0:58:40]: We are also proposing improvements to Davis Road in front of our property. I mentioned one, the ten foot uh uh section of sidewalk on along the northern section of rideway. But we are also proposing a dedicated left turn lane on to on Davis Road as well as a D cell lane into our property uh to facilitate traffic movements in and out so it does not impact uh [0:58:40, 0:58:46]: uh uh vehicular trips along Davis Road uh for people turning in or into our development. [0:58:47, 0:59:07]: Uh stormwater. Our stormwater the site generally drains to the north, which is the left side of the plan there. And you can see the light blue area in the rear is our stormwater detention pond, which will capture and detain stormwater to mitigate the runoff and water quality before it is released to the stream to the north. And the purpose of that is to [0:59:06, 0:59:18]: control uh flooding and storm flows uh so that we are not negatively impacting uh downstream properties. And that's a requirement a state requirement as well as city requirement uh that we have to meet those standards. [0:59:19, 0:59:39]: The erosion that uh the gentleman mentioned along Davis Road, again, that's an existing issue we have nothing to do with. That's something that he would need to address with either the city or Henry County, um, whoever addressed or developed the sidewalk. But our stormwater generally drains away from those properties to the north, to the left side of the plan, as you see. [0:59:39, 0:59:53]: Um but again I would offer my invitation to meet uh with the with the uh residents. Uh if you leave your contact information or we can talk after the meeting and I can get your contact information, we'd be glad to reach out with you and and meet with you individually. [0:59:54, 0:59:57]: Um with that I think I have answered the question, so [1:00:00, 1:00:20]: All right, and I want to apologize to the uh the people that came up to say something I was rushing along, but we definitely wanted to hear the comments that you had. And I encourage you to leave your contact information with them so that they can get with you for sure. I use that area when I drive to work, so um I am concerned about the the traffic as well. Um so I'll be eager to to um listen to that. [1:00:20, 1:00:22]: The information about the study. [1:00:22, 1:00:23]: Any other? [1:00:23, 1:00:26]: Questions from the panel or comments? [1:00:26, 1:00:27]: It's just [1:00:31, 1:00:37]: I guess I'll go. Who is the owner of the Pine Hills estates? Currently we just received this letter from [1:00:37, 1:00:38]: It was uh [1:00:40, 1:00:40]: Is he present? [1:00:41, 1:00:44]: It's a it's a corporate owner. Um [1:00:47, 1:01:03]: Affordable Communities Group. Uh Chris Berry is the CEO. Okay, so so this person's not here then. That's correct. Okay. He's not here. Because I had a couple of questions for him. Um can we have an open conversation about this? Are we ready for that? [1:01:05, 1:01:25]: My first concern, of course, with any residential development is traffic. Um having lived in Stockbridge since 1985, I know what Davis Road is like traffic-wise, just coming from the residential area that approach it in and out now. And if you looked at the traffic study, it was gonna add some. [1:01:25, 1:01:33]: 600 new round trips to Davis Road. And if y'all know where Davis Road exits next to Walmart. [1:01:33, 1:01:49]: It's already a backup. Way far back. And if I could just imagine adding six hundred more round trips up and down Davis Road to that existing traffic, what a nightmare that's going to be. And also [1:01:50, 1:02:10]: The proximity of where Davis Road exits next to Walmart, they're at 42 Highway, is too close to an existing traffic stop to put in another traffic control device. So if they have to, if if it's decided to reroute Davis Road away from that area further down, [1:02:10, 1:02:18]: Down to where they can put in a traffic light, is the property owner willing to give up some of his property to reroute Davis Road? [1:02:19, 1:02:26]: to make it more accessible, to you know, make it more conducive to traffic flow and state requirements. [1:02:28, 1:02:48]: I will say this. Uh first off, we're a little less than a mile east of uh uh the intersection of Davis Road and one hundred thirty eight. Uh so we we don't control that that property or that area. Um it so we could not dedicate right away for that development. But I will say that our traffic engineer has the [1:02:48, 1:03:08]: The right-of-way improvement plans for the expansion of Highway 138 and Highway 42. That will come on or begin construction in 2024. Our development will begin, or we are looking at beginning the vertical construction around 2024. [1:03:08, 1:03:28]: With the last homes being built around 2027, which would allow time for uh the improvements to highway 138 and one and 42 to come online before our uh development is built out. So we're anticipating the improvement to particularly that intersection where Davis Road and 138 [1:03:28, 1:03:43]: uh currently is. Uh we're expecting an improvement to that. And our traffic engineer has taken those improvements into account and determined that there would be uh no impact from our proposed development on those on that uh intersection. [1:03:49, 1:03:59]: In I have a copy of the traffic study. It should be in your packet as well as part of our application. I know it is quite lengthy and a little bit hard to go through, but uh uh it it details that as well. [1:04:07, 1:04:21]: Okay. It it is adding a lot of new vehicles to that already clogged up corridor there. And I ha I'm afraid that we're gonna back up so bad that people are going to use the Walmart parking lot and the residents to the [1:04:22, 1:04:36]: east of there as a way to egress the neighborhood just because of the backup it's going to create. And that that would create another problem all by itself without any kind of improvement to where Davis Road now exits onto forty two. [1:04:37, 1:04:57]: It that and that's uh what they refer to in the traffic study is the level of service of the intersection. When a intersection begins to back up and uh cannot empty the cues before the next red light occurs or next green light occurs, that is a d decrease in the level of service. Our traffic uh engineer has taken that into account. They did [1:04:57, 1:05:07]: uh traffic counts at Davis Road. And with the improvements that are coming online from the Georgia DOP Georgia DOT widening, uh [1:05:08, 1:05:25]: it is anticipated that there will be no decrease in the level of service so even with the added cars from our development. So with those improvements um in the number of cars coming out of our development, we are not expecting the traffic queues to back up any further than uh uh what they are today. [1:05:28, 1:05:31]: Okay, answered my questions. Okay. Thank you. [1:05:35, 1:05:38]: Uh Madam President, I have a question. Yes, Ms. Tibet. [1:05:38, 1:05:58]: Uh I noticed you mentioned DOT. Here's the thing over at Davis Road. It it's a bottleneck. And that whole system as far as the street design and everything needs to be changed. Uh besides the DOT, wouldn't the city be involved in on that also, on that traffic study for that, if they already know that it's [1:05:58, 1:06:00]: It's a problem at Davis Road in one hundred thirty eight? [1:06:01, 1:06:18]: As as far as the traffic study, we prepared that on our own. Uh we have provided a copy to the city. Uh as far as the Georgia DOT improvement plans, uh you would have to I would have to direct that to the city staff is as far if I don't know if City Stockbridge transportation is involved with that widening. [1:06:19, 1:06:39]: I I think that's the c uh the citizens need to take a look at that overall, even with their uh city councilperson over that area and bring that to their attention. Uh to handle that. I I think they know that that's area is backed up already and they have some some problems over there. So I would uh [1:06:39, 1:06:49]: uh request the homeowners to get with their city council person to see what they can do along with the DOT to handle that problem. [1:06:57, 1:07:01]: Mm, Miss Carter, did you have any information about DOT by any chance? [1:07:04, 1:07:05]: Uh we have not. [1:07:06, 1:07:26]: We have not received any comments from the count. Um but what we will do is um reach out to our public works department on any comments they may have. But the traffic study does that's pro has been provided by the applicant. I think we'll get into a little bit more in the next item. Um but [1:07:26, 1:07:39]: um they're required they they provided that to us so it is of course at the discretion at of this you know body to recommend approval or denial um based on the overall uh project itself [1:07:43, 1:07:55]: What sorry about that, I have another question. Yes. And if you can speak up, my tinnitus is kind of on low overload today, so all I hear is a buzz and this separator here up front kinda hurts. Um [1:07:56, 1:08:07]: Now what was my question going to um maybe you stated it, I did not hear it. What are the anticipated? I know it's down the road, but the anticipated value of these homes once they're built. [1:08:07, 1:08:27]: The initial sales price, we're pricing these at uh it it'll be the high two hundreds uh to low three hundreds. And that's we're trying to hit a a nice medium between uh quality development and affordability. You know, we're trying to provide the amenities that we have here as well as uh landscaping and uh uh uh facade material. [1:08:27, 1:08:47]: Materials, but still keep it affordable so that we attract the uh younger residents or those empty nesters. Are there I don't see any on here, but are there any plans for adding amenities to it? Because I know for a fact that people paying that kind of money for a residential are gonna want to spend a lot of time. [1:08:47, 1:09:07]: I'm in their neighborhood and and I see there's not a whole lot of amenities being developed. There's a dog park and some walking sidewalks, but as far as a pool and a tennis court and something to keep the residents there that don't have to travel outside their neighborhood necessarily for basic entertainment. Anything like that be planned? [1:09:07, 1:09:15]: Not at this time. And we have we had that discussion when we initially uh proposed this development as far as the amenities that we were uh [1:09:16, 1:09:25]: Uh proposing. Uh we initially we we had the dog park and playground and the nature trails, uh but we've added a clubhouse. Can you speak just a little louder? [1:09:26, 1:09:32]: Sorry. Uh there we go. Can you all hear me now better? Sorry about that. I'll I'll lean into the microphone a little bit. [1:09:32, 1:09:52]: I didn't realize I was being that quiet. But um uh some of the amenities that we've added since our initial proposal, we have added the clubhouse, and that came uh directly from a comment from the city. Uh we were initially proposing a pavilion. We looked at a pool, uh, but the cost versus benefit analysis. [1:09:52, 1:10:12]: Analysis of that, we haven't a lot of our newer communities don't have pools. Um tennis courts rarely get used. You you don't you don't see tennis courts too much uh anymore. A lot in senior communities you do see pickleball uh coming up now. But we are not proposing that here. We are proposing the nature trail, uh the dog park and the playground. [1:10:12, 1:10:17]: uh which are are used uh typically more often by residents. [1:10:25, 1:10:45]: Okay. It i if I could add one clarification to your earlier question. Sorry. On the Georgia DOT uh project, I just wanted to let you know that that is a project that the Georgia DOT has and in its pipeline. Uh so it is a valid project, it's it is moving forward. Uh it's not something that is uh [1:10:45, 1:10:45]: Yeah. [1:10:46, 1:10:53]: Yeah, out there that that's uh maybe. Yeah, exactly. So that widening is is coming. [1:10:53, 1:11:09]: Is there a tentative date for that wipe that we have our our traffic engineer has been told construction would start in twenty twenty four, uh the summer of twenty twenty four. Uh the length of time for that construction I'm not certain, but [1:11:10, 1:11:12]: We uh are uh [1:11:13, 1:11:20]: I believe it will be done uh before our final build out in twenty twenty seven, is our understanding from our traffic engineer. [1:11:24, 1:11:26]: All right, thank you. Mm-hmm. [1:11:30, 1:11:32]: Any other questions or comments? [1:11:34, 1:11:50]: Okay. I just wanted to point out to the community um we did have some um comments in favor of this um from some people that own property adjacent to it. So we did have some some comments in favor. It was just put in writing. So I wanted to let the community know that. [1:11:52, 1:11:54]: All right, thank you. [1:11:56, 1:11:57]: Okay, so [1:12:00, 1:12:06]: May I have a motion to adopt the comprehensive plan amendment to K C P [1:12:07, 1:12:09]: Twenty twenty two zero six. [1:12:12, 1:12:22]: And this is to assign the future land use designation of property located at fifty six Davis Road, parcel S zero five zero one zero zero two thousand. [1:12:22, 1:12:27]: to high residential to allow for the construction of a town home development. [1:12:33, 1:12:46]: Madam President, can you get close to the mic because I can even barely hear you on this end, if you don't mind. Absolutely. May I have a motion to adopt the comprehensive plan amendment to KCP 202206? [1:12:46, 1:12:51]: And this is uh in consideration of a comprehensive plan amendment request to assign the future land use. [1:12:52, 1:12:57]: Designation of property located at five seven six Davis Road to high density residential. [1:12:57, 1:13:00]: to allow for the construction of a town home development. [1:13:09, 1:13:11]: Madam Chair. [1:13:11, 1:13:17]: I move approval of the comprehensive plan amendment case as recommended by staff. [1:13:21, 1:13:26]: I'm sorry, just for clarification, do we need to add in the we don't need to add in the conditions? [1:13:26, 1:13:37]: Yes. So if you do want to go with staff's two conditions, then the um the motion would need to be amended to include those with the correction that was I stated earlier. [1:13:38, 1:13:55]: Okay. So let me rephrase it. Um can I though Mr. Dumas has the ability to um amend his motion? I will amend the motion to approve the comprehensive plan amendment as recommended by staff with the conditions that they articulated. [1:13:55, 1:13:56]: Okay, do I have a second? [1:13:57, 1:13:58]: I second it, Harold. [1:13:59, 1:13:59]: Okay. [1:14:00, 1:14:05]: All in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Aye. [1:14:06, 1:14:07]: Okay. [1:14:07, 1:14:10]: So we have three in favor, one opposed. [1:14:11, 1:14:18]: Okay, the eyes have it. So the motion has been approved um for the comprehensive plan amendment c um request. [1:14:19, 1:14:21]: To move it to high density residential. [1:14:24, 1:14:24]: Okay. [1:14:25, 1:14:31]: Okay, we're gonna move on to the rezoning case number R Z twenty twenty two dash zero seven. [1:14:33, 1:14:40]: Consideration of a rezoning request to assign the zoning district of MFR multiple family residential property. [1:14:40, 1:14:48]: Located at five seven six Davis Road, parcel number S zero five dash zero one hundred two thousand. [1:14:48, 1:14:51]: To allow for the construction of a town home development. [1:14:51, 1:14:53]: Applicant Forester Real Estate Group USA. [1:14:54, 1:14:56]: Incorporated agent Alex Brock. [1:14:56, 1:14:57]: Of Smith. [1:14:57, 1:15:01]: Gambrel and Russell LLP, the property is located in landlot. [1:15:01, 1:15:03]: ninety one of District twelve and it contains [1:15:04, 1:15:07]: twenty seven point six three five plus or minus acres. [1:15:22, 1:15:23]: Good evening, everyone. [1:15:25, 1:15:32]: Uh this was presentation for R Z 202207, rezoning for proposed Davis Road Townhomes. [1:15:38, 1:15:54]: We've covered a lot of this material already. So I'm gonna move quickly through some of these slides. Um as has been mentioned, there's actually three applications. We just went through comprehensive plan. This is the rezoning, and then I'll also be presenting a variance application after this. [1:15:55, 1:16:15]: This is a map showing surrounding zoning. Property is here, Davis Road, and you have other other uses nearby. We have a gold suburban residential, this color here, and the orange, mobile home parks. [1:16:15, 1:16:16]: Um those are the main things. [1:16:18, 1:16:26]: Here's Ariel Photo. This is Davis Road here. And uh North Henry Boulevard and Walm Walmart in this area. [1:16:29, 1:16:33]: And some case facts here. Uh we've gone through a lot of these. [1:16:37, 1:16:41]: This is a brief uh boundary survey just showing the general shape of the property. [1:16:44, 1:17:04]: Um I have the site plan. We have a black and white version as well as a colored version. And basically Davis Road is here on the right side. This is turn sideways, so north is actually here to the left. So there'll be prop main project entrance off Davis Road plus a secondary emergency only access in [1:17:04, 1:17:24]: In this here area for um fire trucks, emergency vehicles. Uh there'd be a loop street internally, and these are all the town home units here. There'd be a mail kiosk here near the front with some parking and a minute area at the rear. The property slopes down quite a bit from [1:17:24, 1:17:35]: Davis Road about seventy feet uh drop and you have a stream area and um some wetlands so that this area is not usable as far as building. [1:17:36, 1:17:48]: There would be a club a small clubhouse and dog park, a playground and also a walking trail. You can see all this better on this colored uh site plan. [1:17:52, 1:18:12]: This is just a section that was included on the site plan. There's a lot of statistics here about the proposed density and uh part number of parking spaces, um, uh buffers, minimum open space, and they meet those requirements. Um there was a traffic impact study. [1:18:12, 1:18:32]: Done as I've said. The basis of the study was a project year build out of 2027, and projections were made looking at existing conditions and then projecting in 2027 with both with and without the project. [1:18:32, 1:18:52]: Looked at the intersection of the driveway that's proposed with Davis Road, as well as the other intersection of Davis Road with North Henry Boulevard. It also included a population growth factor considering for uh Henry County. [1:18:52, 1:19:12]: Traffic count dates were made last September twenty-ninth and also March second with Henry County Public Schools were in session on those dates. A site visit was also made on March seventh to zer observe cry traffic conditions. Uh Georgia DOT has several has three, in fact, uh [1:19:12, 1:19:32]: uh traffic count stations set up in that area. Uh and those were uh considered with different uh growth factors. Uh so uh specifically the annual growth factor Henry County's annual population rate of 1.67 in 2020-20 and [1:19:32, 1:19:52]: And then estimated population projection 1.55 by year 2027 and 2% to account for background traffic growth. Project would generate 1,245 daily trips per day at full project back build out. [1:19:52, 1:20:00]: Roughly 70% of trips would come from the west of Davis Road and 30% from the east. [1:20:00, 1:20:17]: Here's a breakdown of the peak hour trips and the AM and PKM PM. Um current traffic impacts are are low and this this is all from the the cus the engineer who prepared the study. And [1:20:18, 1:20:23]: It said that the current capacity lane configura configuration would be sufficient to accommodate [1:20:24, 1:20:44]: traffic from this proposed project. Um there is some um low level of service at the nearby intersections, but again with DOT's improvement. And I'll just mention it said in the study that uh Davis Road um no they would not add another traffic light but that Davis Road [1:20:44, 1:21:04]: uh left turns out of Davis Road would be prohibited and um would require a U-turn. That is what it the proposed DOT project says. So um traffic is expected to be acceptable by twenty twenty seven both [1:21:04, 1:21:06]: with and without the project. [1:21:07, 1:21:18]: I'll move on. There's here's the renderings of what the finished townhomes would look like. You'd have the smaller townhomes with one car garages and the larger townhomes with two car garages. [1:21:20, 1:21:40]: We had different criteria to analyze and considering the rezoning. We went through the comprehensive plan and um we feel that the MF proposed MFR district would be acceptable. It would um uh located on uh major collector street uh have positive effects on the area. [1:21:40, 1:22:00]: By bringing alternative types of housing, and this is one of the goals of comprehensive plan. The site has, I mentioned before, the physical constraints. For this reason, the applicant has applied for variants, which I'll discuss next in my next presentation. [1:22:00, 1:22:00]: Mm-hmm. [1:22:01, 1:22:21]: Impacts on water sewer, a letter was received from Public Works stating a water and sewer is available. Of course, the developer would have to cover the cost of connections. We've gone through traffic impacts here. Um and these are just some more details of that I've already discussed. [1:22:21, 1:22:35]: So we we feel that the um property um although it could have further uh single family development, considering the area, we don't feel that is likely to happen. Um [1:22:36, 1:22:40]: There haven't been any demands for such development in recent years. [1:22:40, 1:22:43]: So we conclude the proposed development would be acceptable. [1:22:43, 1:23:03]: And therefore, we recommend approval with conditions and those same conditions. Number one, that the comprehensive plan amendment is is approved, as well as the variance, and then also condition on the site plan. And I'll just read for the record uh the site plan is this the proposed town. [1:23:03, 1:23:09]: home development shall be constructed according to the design which is shown on the applicant's submitted black and white. [1:23:09, 1:23:29]: Conceptual site plan entitled Davis Road Town Homes, Henry County, Georgia rezoning plan, which was prepared by Atwell Group of Marietta, Georgia on March fifteenth, twenty twenty three, as well as its companion undated colored conceptual plan, both of which were received by the city on March sixteenth. [1:23:29, 1:23:33]: Are there any questions? [1:24:09, 1:24:15]: Okay. Um didn't I didn't have any we didn't have any questions. Um, does he need to do a presentation? [1:24:16, 1:24:25]: So so at this time, yes, you can have the um if there are no questions then the applicant can come up and speak for a total of ten minutes. Okay. And um we open up for public hearing from there. [1:24:29, 1:24:30]: Thank you, Miss Logan. [1:24:39, 1:24:46]: Good evening again, Madam Chair and members of the Planning Commission. I am still Alex Brock with Smith Cambrell Russell. Uh off [1:24:47, 1:24:57]: I'll speak in the microphone so everybody can hear y'all lean in a little bit. Uh but again, I'm uh Alex Brock, Smith Cambrell Russell, office address at 1105 West Peace Street Street, Atlanta, Georgia. Um here on behalf of the applicant. [1:24:58, 1:25:17]: You know, I'll keep my this presentation fairly short because I think we had uh I gave a fairly lengthy discussion of the development itself in the previous um application, uh as well as our our follow-up questions with uh uh the commission. So I'll limit this to mostly just the uh rezoning specific items. [1:25:18, 1:25:21]: Um it [1:25:22, 1:25:42]: This property is one of the large number of properties that were just uh recommended to be rezoned for the annexation uh uh into the city of Stockbridge. It was previously zoned residential agricultural under uh unincorporated Henry County before its annexation uh earlier this year. Uh now the city [1:25:42, 1:25:51]: city with the adoption of its zoning plan, uh or zoning map will be zoned rural residential and we're asking to rezone that to a multifamily residential. [1:25:53, 1:26:13]: Uh the zoning is compatible with the surrounding properties. To the west, we have the uh Pine Hills Mobile Home Park, which is zoned Mobile Home Residential, MHR. Uh to the east, we have uh along Century Oaks Drive uh duplex lots that are zoned city center residential or will be zoned city center center residential once the uh [1:26:13, 1:26:25]: City adopts its zoning map. To the north, we have properties within unincorporated Henry County that are zoned residential agricultural along Valley Hill Road. [1:26:25, 1:26:45]: To the south of us, across Davis Road, uh is another mobile home development uh zoned um uh MHR uh as well. Uh in addition, there is another uh uh townhome development down uh Davis Road to the east that I mentioned in my earlier presentation, the Big Oak Villas, uh which are is [1:26:45, 1:27:05]: Is an attached home, uh townhome development uh at a density of nine units per acre. And if you recall, we are asking for a density of 6.15. Uh the proposed development is also located uh less than one mile east of the commercial node at North Henry Boulevard and Highway 138, uh, where you have the uh Walmart shopping center. [1:27:05, 1:27:09]: Center uh anchored commercial development. [1:27:11, 1:27:31]: The zoning that we're requesting is commensurate with other developments and zonings in the area today. Um and the MFR zoning will allow us to develop townhomes um and add a mix of housing options into the area uh to attract uh younger professionals uh that are noted in as goals among [1:27:30, 1:27:36]: The uh City of Stockbridge uh comprehensive plan uh that I went through in detail in my earlier presentation. [1:27:40, 1:28:00]: To go through, I won't reiterate a lot of the other issues that we've discussed with uh city officials and staff as far as uh affordability parking uh traffic improvements. I think we've covered if if uh commission has more questions on that, I'll be uh more than happy to answer those questions during the question and answer period. Um but a couple of things that I've [1:28:00, 1:28:20]: I will note as far as utilities, uh staff did note that y water and utilities available uh to the site. We are proposing an extension of sanitary sewer from Shields Road up to our property. Uh the developer will be installing that itself. Currently the property is on sewered, uh, but we will be uh paying for that sewer extension up to our property. [1:28:21, 1:28:36]: Um also noted the improv in our my earlier presentation, the improvements to Davis Road will be adding a turn lane as well as a D sell lane in front of our uh property to facilitate uh through traffic movements uh onto Davis Road, uh as well as traffic movements into our property. [1:28:40, 1:29:00]: Uh also just to note uh one thing that I didn't get to in my earlier presentation is Fourstar is a nationwide developer of residential lots. Uh they do a number of developments throughout the country, but particularly in the southeast and particularly within Georgia. Uh they are headquartered here in Georgia. Uh one development that is nearby is the Hampton Brazil. [1:29:00, 1:29:20]: Reserve at uh 103 Hampton Circle in Mid McDonough. Uh those units are selling in the high 200s. Uh that site is uh at a density or is eight point seven two acres uh with seventy-one units at a density of seven point nine six. So it's uh it's a higher density than what we're proposing here. [1:29:20, 1:29:34]: But it is a comparable development that Forest R has recently done. With that, I'll end my presentation and open it up for or reserve any remaining time for rebuttal or questions. Thank you. [1:29:40, 1:29:44]: Do we have any comments from the thank you. Do we have any comments from the public? Um [1:29:46, 1:29:46]: Opposition [1:29:47, 1:29:48]: For this project. [1:29:49, 1:29:49]: Yes, sir. [1:29:59, 1:30:04]: Hello, Mark McFry, two eighty nine Shields Road, Stockbridge, Georgia. [1:30:05, 1:30:15]: He was mentioning the uh sewer. Um I saw the stakes, one at one corner of my property and one where the manhole is where my sewer goes into. [1:30:15, 1:30:17]: And I'm just concerned with how they're gonna [1:30:18, 1:30:23]: get to that sewer, if they're gonna be coming up Davis and then turning down [1:30:24, 1:30:40]: I mean I haven't seen the drawing so I don't know how they're gonna do it. But they just put in that sidewalk and if that's where they're gonna be coming up through there, I I don't know if they're gonna be in the road, they're gonna be in the the small strip of of uh grass that's between the road and that. [1:30:40, 1:30:41]: But um [1:30:42, 1:31:02]: All that construction is going to impact all of our lives. I mean, you know, they're going to have construction entrances with trucks entering and exiting, you know, and it's going to make our lives pretty miserable for, you know, however long their their projects going on. And uh I know after seeing these projects what it does to the road. [1:31:01, 1:31:20]: what it does to the community around there because you know it's gonna rain, it's gonna get muddy, it's gonna dry up, it's gonna get dusty, you know, all that's gonna impact the people that live around it. So, you know, those are the concerns that I have for me and my neighbors. You know, like I said, um [1:31:21, 1:31:30]: I understand they wanna, you know, develop this property, make money, uh and that's that's the name of the game, uh, but it's impacting our lives. [1:31:31, 1:31:33]: That's that's all I got. [1:31:38, 1:31:41]: Any other comments from anyone from the public? [1:31:44, 1:31:44]: Yes, sir. [1:31:52, 1:31:58]: Uh Dylan Garnett, five six six Davis Road is the property. Uh [1:31:59, 1:32:00]: Can I take a look at it? [1:32:06, 1:32:21]: My question would be about the the buffer zone. You said you guys are gonna put up a natural barrier, uh like foliage and stuff like that. So I just wanted to know how high it would be and if and another question is uh what I'm looking at this [1:32:24, 1:32:40]: It seems like it's directly on my property line. And I know you guys came up and got a surveyor. So I just wanted to make sure that they not are they not infringing on my property when they build. And uh that's probably my only concern. And then I know you guys did a traffic study on [1:32:40, 1:32:52]: cars, but I don't think they did any studies on the foot traffic because the increased residency, I'm sure it's gonna be more foot traffic on Davis Road and it's already a lot of [1:32:52, 1:33:03]: foot traffic there because of the Walmart and stuff like that. So that would be another concern of mine's like uh are they going to are they planning on building a sidewalk in front of my home or? [1:33:04, 1:33:23]: Uh those those are just my concerns about uh my security on my side of my home and how far their barriers will be in you know proportion to my home. So those are just my only concerns so far. Thank you. [1:33:28, 1:33:29]: Okay, any other comments? [1:33:32, 1:33:34]: Okay. All right. You want to respond to it? [1:33:42, 1:34:02]: Okay, I'll try to lean into the microphone a little bit more so everybody can hear me. Um to answer the first gentleman's questions about uh you know the impacts for construction and how we are uh extending our sewer from Shields Road up to our property, that design is not finalized. We know we have to extend the sewer, but the as far as the route uh [1:34:02, 1:34:22]: that is taken. We have not done that. Uh Jack Burke with Four Star handed out our contact information to the residents. Uh we would be more than happy to continue that conversation uh with the adjacent residents to make sure that you know any impacts that we have from our construction are minimized or that we take care of their concerns as we [1:34:22, 1:34:42]: Move forward with this project. And that includes the uh alignment of the Sanitary Sewer uh extension from Shields Road. Uh so we would be happy to look at that and and coordinate with the with the community. Uh the second point he made were the impacts from construction itself as far as uh mud uh in dust and [1:34:42, 1:35:02]: And whatnot from the construction itself. We are required by state law as well as federal requirements for to provide sufficient erosion control uh during construction. Those plans will be uh reviewed and approved by the uh city of Stockbridge before we're even allowed to go out there to do any. [1:35:02, 1:35:04]: Yeah. [1:35:04, 1:35:24]: And w that is required to keep mud from exiting the site, uh, as well as to uh prevent mud from being tracked within the right-of-way or or uh uh mud from leaving the property through uh you know the use of uh certain best management practices like silk fencing or uh sediment basins during construction. Uh so that that [1:35:24, 1:35:44]: That is a typical consideration that we do with all projects. Uh, that er every contractor that is doing more than uh a certain amount of land disturbance has to comply with uh due to state law, as well as Sydney ordinances. Uh so those considerations will be taken into account during construction. The second gentleman uh [1:35:44, 1:36:04]: Uh the adjacent neighbor at uh 566 Davis. Uh he asked about the buffer as far as how high. Uh if you don't mind, I'll address this to the council, but you can hear the answer. We don't have the landscape plan uh designed yet. This is the very preliminary stages. We need to make it through zoning to make sure that we are allowed to develop. [1:36:04, 1:36:19]: develop the project or to build townhomes and it's zone properly before we move forward with the uh detailed landscaping design. Uh but we would be more than happy to cla uh to coordinate with the neighbor uh on the landscape to make sure that uh [1:36:19, 1:36:23]: Any visual impacts are buffered by proposed landscaping and plannings. [1:36:24, 1:36:39]: uh along that uh along that property line. And he also mentioned about encroaching into his property. We cannot encroach into somebody else's property. Uh we don't have the authority without an easement or some other uh agreement to encroach on somebody else's property that we do not own. So [1:36:40, 1:36:42]: Um [1:36:42, 1:37:02]: It's sidewalk in front of his home. That goes uh it's similar to my last answer. Uh we do not control the right of way in front of his property, so we cannot install sidewalk in front of his. We are proposing sidewalk along our frontage, and that uh came from a request from uh our conversations with the city uh that they would like to see a ten-foot sidewalk along the northern right of way of Davis Road. [1:37:02, 1:37:07]: Road. So uh that would end at our property line along Davis Road. [1:37:10, 1:37:16]: I think I think I answered everything, but if there's anything else, you know we're more than happy to discuss after the meeting as well. [1:37:20, 1:37:24]: I don't know. Brecka, Miss uh Carter, can he come back? Is that it? [1:37:25, 1:37:26]: Okay. [1:37:27, 1:37:28]: Um the [1:37:30, 1:37:38]: I don't know if the if the um resident back here would like to say something else if you w would allow him to speak. Okay. You wanted to say something else? Okay. [1:37:45, 1:37:55]: I wanted to find out if you guys are able to have a like a community forum so more of our concern [1:37:56, 1:38:15]: uh people in the area can have a chance to speak to them'cause I know they say they want to speak to us individually and privately, but we want to make a decision as a community in the area. So we wanted to know if there's a possibility to have a separate meeting to where they can explain the proposal to us as a community. [1:38:20, 1:38:40]: That decision will be at the discretion of this council. And if that is the will of the Planning Commission, then you can you have the option to table the item and have the applicant um set up meetings with community. Um but we just need to be maybe specific about the number of meetings and uh before we they come back to the planning commission. [1:38:39, 1:38:43]: I know they said they had um requested [1:38:43, 1:38:47]: I guess feedback January si sixth, February twenty eighth, and April tenth. [1:38:47, 1:38:53]: Um and the gentleman had brought the letter. I is it okay if I look at the letter? If we look at the letter, can we do that? Sure. [1:38:54, 1:38:56]: Mm. [1:38:56, 1:38:58]: Or may we see the letter that they sent you? [1:38:58, 1:38:59]: Right. [1:39:10, 1:39:11]: Um I thought. [1:39:12, 1:39:16]: the date of January 6, they sent us two identical letters. [1:39:20, 1:39:22]: Yeah, two other two other agents. Yeah. [1:39:23, 1:39:26]: it tells us to [1:39:28, 1:39:30]: Very often, says she. [1:39:31, 1:39:37]: Ma'am, if you would like to speak, um please um note your name and address for the record, please. [1:39:46, 1:40:00]: My name is uh Wendy Collins and I too live at two eight nine Shields Road. Um two of the letters were absolutely identical dated January sixth, and the third one is I think April or March. [1:40:01, 1:40:20]: But a majority at it tells you to contact you guys and at the very bottom is a little thing that says contact them. So we came up to one of the meetings and it was canceled. That was here. And so now we're attending this one. But we would like a chance to get more of our neighbors together. [1:40:34, 1:40:54]: Ms. Carter, I don't I don't know if you know, but was one of the meetings canceled? Yes, it was. Um because this property um it was mentioned before that it went through the annexation, it was originally gonna be proposed for an annexation, but due to the referendum getting passed in November, it did not have to go through that process. [1:40:54, 1:41:08]: So what staff had to do was go back and re-advertise for the correct legal um advertisement in order to bring it to you guys formally tonight. So that was not the fault of the applicant. [1:41:09, 1:41:09]: Okay. [1:41:11, 1:41:12]: You wanted to say something? [1:41:16, 1:41:17]: If I could mention um [1:41:19, 1:41:37]: If the Planning Commission so decides to move forward tonight uh with approval, we still have to go to city council on May eighth. Um we would welcome the opportunity to set up meetings with the community uh within that time. And if the community or city council is not uh I guess [1:41:38, 1:41:45]: Does not feel that we've adequately adequately met with the community. They can table it at that time, but I would urge the uh planning commission to move forward tonight. [1:41:50, 1:41:52]: You guys you guys have any questions or thank you. [1:41:54, 1:41:55]: What do you think? [1:41:56, 1:42:02]: You talking to me? Just you guys think they need to ask them for questions. [1:42:06, 1:42:26]: You want some feedback whether we should have them have a meeting? M Certainly. Because if the homeowners don't have any input, we're just making rules and regulations without anybody uh without representing the homeowners. I think it's unfair for us to go through everything and not [1:42:26, 1:42:36]: not let them have their say if they feel that enough of the community did not have an involvement in this process or decision making. [1:42:42, 1:42:44]: Any other comments on or thoughts on that? [1:42:45, 1:42:52]: Yeah, this was published January sixth, so it it seems like they've had plenty of time to [1:42:53, 1:42:55]: have a c comment one way or the other. [1:42:59, 1:43:19]: The the other side of this is why such a big gap and uh why didn't they have a town hall meeting for the uh community in the in that area? That's that's the question I would be asking. Now, you may have sent out these letters, but they really don't describe everything in detail enough to say [1:43:18, 1:43:37]: uh as a c person in the community that I need to go out and talk to the developer for this project. That's what a what the issue is right now. There's there there's just not enough feedback to say that the public was informed, from what I'm reading just by this paperwork. [1:43:39, 1:43:45]: They had some additional information attached um to some of the others. [1:44:00, 1:44:01]: If I could make one point, then [1:44:02, 1:44:15]: The city of Stockbridge, Stockbridge's ordinance currently do not require a uh town hall meeting or a meeting with the community. Uh other jurisdictions do as part of their rezoning process. Stockbridge has not adopted that. Uh [1:44:15, 1:44:35]: Our only avenue to reach out to the public is to send these public notification meetings, and whatever feedback we get, we can meet with the community at that time. Uh and as I noted earlier, the only response that we got to our letters uh was from the adjacent mobile home park owner uh until tonight, uh which is why we were a little bit surprised by the [1:44:35, 1:44:38]: the the the adjacent neighbors that showed up. [1:44:39, 1:44:43]: But again, we would be glad to set up a meeting between now and May eighth. [1:44:46, 1:44:56]: I would concur that they set up a meeting now between now and Apr and May eighth to uh hash out this and and make that as a condition. [1:44:56, 1:45:12]: And May eighth is when the counts you and the city council date. That's that's correct. That's our city council date. Okay. All right. I I I my thoughts are I think they did um give the community an opportunity for that for at least to have that one meeting um uh [1:45:14, 1:45:20]: It may not have been what what was thought or or it may have been a misunderstood, but they did give that opportunity. [1:45:20, 1:45:40]: Um and so I'm in agreement to have, you know, if if we decide to move forward um for them to meet and have a meeting uh before the city council meeting, um, because the city council meeting has to has to give input on this as well before it can before it can move forward. The city council has to give input. So I think that would be a good opportunity. [1:45:40, 1:45:47]: for you to get your community to get together if that's what you want, have that meeting before the city council meeting and and they you guys can set it up with them to meet. [1:45:48, 1:45:48]: Okay. [1:45:49, 1:45:53]: Um so we can if we decide to we can amend it to that. Does that make sense? [1:45:54, 1:45:57]: To you all. Okay. Mr. Dumas, do you have any [1:45:58, 1:46:02]: I can't think of any other multi family residential developments. [1:46:04, 1:46:07]: Even close to where this is located in the middle of Stockbridge. [1:46:10, 1:46:12]: I I just don't know if it's a a good fit. [1:46:14, 1:46:14]: Okay. [1:46:15, 1:46:15]: Okay. [1:46:18, 1:46:24]: Uh it there is one that's being developed now on thirty eight East Atlanta Road, uh that's two hundred plus units. [1:46:25, 1:46:26]: On East Atlanta. Yes. Okay. [1:46:33, 1:46:36]: But you're saying there's not one that's already existing? [1:46:37, 1:46:41]: Oh, he was saying there is one being developed, but you were saying there's not an existing one. [1:46:42, 1:46:43]: Like that. [1:46:43, 1:46:54]: Can you all both speak into the mic, please? Thank you. For the record. No worries. He you were saying that there's not an existing unit right now, like this one? Okay. I'm asking, is that what you said? [1:46:56, 1:46:57]: Yeah, yeah. [1:47:00, 1:47:01]: All right. [1:47:02, 1:47:06]: So I'm gonna uh ask, is there [1:47:08, 1:47:11]: One that would make a motion for the rezoning case R Z twenty. [1:47:11, 1:47:17]: twenty two dash oh seven consideration of rezoning request to assign the zoning district of M F R [1:47:17, 1:47:22]: Multiple family residential to property located at five seven six David Davis Road. [1:47:23, 1:47:27]: Parcel S zero five zero one zero zero two zero zero. [1:47:27, 1:47:28]: Zero? [1:47:28, 1:47:48]: Um with the amendment for them to meet. Is that how I would say that? Before the with the conditions with the condition um that they meet submitted by staff and the say say that again. I said but with the conditions, the three conditions that were submitted by staff and if you want to make a fourth about the [1:47:48, 1:47:55]: public meeting that they are required to have with the community. Okay. You could make that a condition as well prior to the the um May eighth. [1:47:56, 1:48:04]: Okay, so um may I have a motion uh for this rezoning case um with the conditions um that were the two conditions that were requested by the [1:48:04, 1:48:14]: staff and um with the additional third condition that they set up a meeting with the residents um within the community um prior to the May eighth. [1:48:14, 1:48:28]: meeting with the city council members. Ma madam vice chairman w staff actually presented three conditions. We had the other two cases plus the site plan. So if you want to add one that would be the fourth condition. I'm sorry. Okay so that's the fourth one. [1:48:28, 1:48:28]: Okay. [1:48:30, 1:48:32]: All right, so may I have a motion for that? [1:48:34, 1:48:35]: It's a lot. [1:48:35, 1:48:43]: Let me let me just make sure I have it. The two conditions from staff, the one condition for the community to meet with the developer. And what was the fourth one? [1:48:44, 1:49:04]: Uh for for clarification, there are three conditions for this rezoning case and a fourth could be added if you would like for there to be a public meeting uh between the applicants and the community prior to the May eighth. Okay, so we voted on the first one already to move forward. We voted on the first, yes, gotcha. Okay, all right. [1:49:04, 1:49:08]: I understand now. Do you want me to say it over? [1:49:09, 1:49:10]: Do I have a motion? [1:49:11, 1:49:29]: Madam Chair, before I make a motion, I just want to make one comment to the residents uh that took the time to come and voice their opinions and offer my thanks to you for doing so. I would uh like to remind you that the [1:49:30, 1:49:38]: Decisions of the Planning Commission, it's just a recommendation to the council, the governing authority. [1:49:39, 1:49:56]: Uh the final decision for approval or disapproval rests with the city council, not with the Planning Commission. They can agree with us whatever we decide. They can disagree with us. [1:49:56, 1:49:59]: Sometimes they agree with us, sometimes they don't. [1:50:00, 1:50:15]: So I want you to understand that because I think it's important, particularly if you're gonna have a meeting in between now and the time that they meet and vote on it, that you understand that their decision is binding and ours is not. [1:50:16, 1:50:21]: And having said that, I would make a motion to approve the uh [1:50:22, 1:50:23]: Rizarning case? [1:50:25, 1:50:31]: As recommended by staff with the four conditions that's been articulated. [1:50:32, 1:50:33]: The second. [1:50:34, 1:50:35]: I Harold, second it. [1:50:39, 1:50:39]: I [1:50:40, 1:50:41]: Those opposed? [1:50:45, 1:50:46]: Oh. [1:50:48, 1:50:51]: And so the motion has to be adopted with those conditions. [1:50:54, 1:51:00]: And the last one, the variance case VR twenty twenty two dash zero. Miss Nelson, we can't hear you. We can't hear you. [1:51:01, 1:51:12]: Okay. The last one, the variance case, VR twenty twenty two dash zero three, consideration of a variance request to grant a variance for property at five seven six. [1:51:12, 1:51:18]: Excuse me, Davis Road, parcel Sero five dash zero one zero zero two zero zero zero. [1:51:18, 1:51:22]: In order to allow for the construction of a town home development [1:51:22, 1:51:28]: The requested variants would reduce the front yard setback from the required minimum of fifty feet to twenty five feet. [1:51:29, 1:51:33]: Applicant four star real estate group USA Incorporated agent Alex Brock. [1:51:33, 1:51:33]: smet [1:51:34, 1:51:38]: Gambrel and Russell, LLP. The property is located in landlot ninety one, District twelve. [1:51:39, 1:51:43]: And it contains twenty seven point six three five plus or minus acres. [1:51:43, 1:51:44]: To be presented. [1:51:45, 1:51:45]: Okay. [1:51:46, 1:51:52]: Good evening. This is a variance case. The applicant has requested a variance to [1:51:52, 1:51:55]: Allow for the reduction in the front yard setbacks. [1:51:56, 1:52:01]: from the required minimum of fifty feet to twenty five feet. This is for the [1:52:02, 1:52:18]: MFR district, that's uh he's requested in rezoning. Mfr is multifamily residential and our unified development code requires it to have fifty feet in the front yard. Let me see if I have the um [1:52:20, 1:52:40]: I guess I don't. All right. So um anyway, that's that's we've been through some of these already. Uh there are certain uh seven, in fact, criteria to look at in in analyzing this. Um so the first is whether [1:52:40, 1:52:52]: the property has extraordinary and exceptional fiscal characteristics compared with other properties in the same don't zoning district. And yes, um it does. In fact, it's a very long and narrow [1:52:53, 1:53:13]: Uh property sloping downward by 70, some 70 feet to the rear, as I mentioned, has stream bluffers present, and these factors uh considerably limit the ability of the site to be developed, um, as well as the developer's ability to create a reasonable site plan with time. [1:53:12, 1:53:28]: town home lots. Uh the next one is uh whether literal interpretation of the UDC would deprive the applicant of rights that are enjoyed by others, uh o other owners of properties in the same don zoning district and um [1:53:29, 1:53:33]: Uh we feel that yes, applicant might be deprived of that ability. [1:53:34, 1:53:37]: And uh C criterion C [1:53:38, 1:53:41]: Whether any special privileges would be granted to this property owner. [1:53:42, 1:53:43]: We feel that they would not. [1:53:44, 1:53:47]: And also that the deni denial of the requested variants would [1:53:48, 1:53:51]: force the developer to comply with the standards and [1:53:51, 1:54:00]: having much larger lots and this would be create a hardship um considering the property's difficult ph physical characteristics. [1:54:00, 1:54:12]: Um, criterion D whether the variance would be consistent with the purposes and intent of the UTC, whether it would be compatible with neighboring uses, and whether it would serve the public welfare f welfare. [1:54:13, 1:54:21]: So we feel that it will be consistent with the UDC by encouraging most appropriate use of land and buildings on the subject property. [1:54:21, 1:54:23]: Um it would um [1:54:24, 1:54:35]: the variance in a most is a mostly residential area, which has l had little development activity in recent years, and it'll be compatible with other residential uses in the area. [1:54:36, 1:54:41]: Criterion E, whether the extraordinary circumstances are not result of the actions of the applicant [1:54:41, 1:54:46]: No, obviously the physical conditions were not oh the property were not created by the applicant. [1:54:47, 1:54:52]: A criterion F whether the variance is the minimum relief that would allow the legal use of land [1:54:52, 1:54:53]: Um [1:54:53, 1:54:58]: although developer could still build a town home development under MFR without the variance um [1:54:59, 1:55:06]: he would be significantly constrained in designing it um to uh an economically feasible uh product. [1:55:07, 1:55:23]: Criterion G, um the request for variance is not uh request to permit a use of land or structure buildings or structures that's prohibited in the MFR district and uh no town homes are a permitted use within the MFR district. [1:55:24, 1:55:30]: So we have found that the subject property's physical characteristics substantially limit its developability. [1:55:31, 1:55:38]: And that without the requested variants, it may not be possible to build a sufficient number of townhome units to be economically feasible. [1:55:39, 1:55:44]: Um, we conclude that the requested variance is reasonable and should be granted. [1:55:45, 1:55:55]: And and all but that of course it should only be granted if the comprehensive plan amendment case and the rezoning case are simultaneously approved. So um [1:55:55, 1:56:13]: Therefore we recommend approval with conditions, those conditions being the same as before, that the comprehensive plan amendment is is approved, rezoning cases approved, and the site plan which I uh m mentioned before the uh the developer complies with that site plan. [1:56:15, 1:56:16]: Any questions? [1:56:25, 1:56:25]: It's so good. [1:56:26, 1:56:30]: To decrease the fifty feet to twenty five. [1:56:30, 1:56:31]: That's correct. [1:56:32, 1:56:33]: Mike, Miss Nelson. [1:56:33, 1:56:42]: Sorry. They wanna decrease the fifty feet to the twenty five feet. That's correct. And the city is in approval of it. Yes. Because explain that again. [1:56:42, 1:56:56]: Well, the physical conditions of the property make it make it difficult. As you saw at the on the site plan, the whole rear section of the property um cannot be built on. You know, it's got a stream there and a and a a creek and a a [1:56:57, 1:57:14]: uh wetlands areas and so forth and cannot build any units there. So therefore the units have to all be built on the remainder of the property, all, you know, so compressed into a much smaller area rather than evenly distributed uh among the entire site. [1:57:16, 1:57:23]: Okay. And you all agree with that. That's correct. That's correct. Okay. All right. [1:57:23, 1:57:25]: You all have any questions? [1:57:26, 1:57:38]: I do have a question for staff. Um, and I've held my peace through the comprehensive plan discussion and the rezoning question because I wanted to [1:57:40, 1:57:55]: make sure I heard the answer before I asked the question, if that makes sense. But as you recall, this case was presented to us in January and it got pulled back. [1:57:55, 1:58:15]: And but we did receive the documentation and and read it and digested it. And the conclusion that you guys recommended to us at that time was radically different from the conclusion that you're recommending for us today. [1:58:15, 1:58:21]: Obviously you had a come to Jesus moment somewhere between January and April and I just wanna to uh [1:58:23, 1:58:43]: Well the applicant has uh significantly reduced the number of units to be built. Originally was two hundred thirty five units, now is a hundred and seventy units, so that uh reduces the density a great bit. And then they work with us to on the site plan to to change some things and make it more acceptable. [1:58:44, 1:59:04]: But it's still high density multifamily residential development. Which if I recall in the earlier narrative, your recommendation um even used the word spot zoning and it wasn't compatible with the surrounding properties and stuff like that. I and I was just curious as to [1:59:04, 1:59:05]: [7145.5, 7162.9]: Well well again the density has g been greatly reduced. It's still within the range of the high density classification and that's because uh as before was mentioned the high density uh it starts at six units per acre and this is actually gonna be just six point one five units per acre. [1:59:23, 1:59:43]: And then goes all the way up to sixteen units per acre. And that there is a gap between high density and medium medium density. This is this is this is how the comprehensive plan was written. Um there's a gap. So medium density residential stops at 3.6 units per acre. So anything [1:59:43, 1:59:50]: more than three point six units per acre automatically falls into the category of high density residential. [1:59:52, 2:00:02]: Okay. I I I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I I just'cause I I happen to think that I mean, I would have voted in favor of it in January. [2:00:02, 2:00:21]: You know, um I'm just saying that for the record, but uh I just want to know how you got from point A to point B. That's right. And and and and for the public we didn't act we we presented materials to you but we did not hold a meeting on it at the time. We we correct postponed the case. Correct. So that the applicant could make these changes. [2:00:26, 2:00:28]: All right. Thank you, Miss Logan. [2:00:29, 2:00:35]: And Miss Logan, I have a question before you before you leave. So in other words that [2:00:36, 2:00:38]: You guys the zoning. [2:00:40, 2:00:53]: staff got all the information from the applicant and made this decision about reducing the number of townhomes in that particular project, right? Am I correct to say that? [2:00:53, 2:01:10]: Well, originally because of the two thirty five units we thought that was excessive for the site and then then the the uh applicant uh requested uh uh deferral of case to to look into it further and and make some changes and then they did. [2:01:10, 2:01:30]: And and then after they made those changes, then staff agreed with those changes. Am I correct, sir? That's correct. Good, okay. I just wanna get some clarification as for us what Mr. Dumas was talking about so that we can understand why these changes were made from January to now and they are presenting the case now to us. [2:01:31, 2:01:51]: Mr. Thibodeau, if I may add, so in looking at this project, we um looked at the number of units that were originally being proposed. Um the applicant went back to reduce that number because we would not have been able to provide any type of favorable recommendation. [2:01:50, 2:02:10]: recommendation based on what was originally submitted. We looked at the land use and the potential of other types of uses going in that space. Commercial would not be appropriate. Single family homes likely would not go there or sell well well because there's a mobile home just to the west. [2:02:10, 2:02:30]: um and to the south and we wanted to ensure that we looked broad broadband at the project overall. Um the concern about the comprehensive plan where it at at three point six units and up is considered high density. [2:02:30, 2:02:50]: Is problematic for us. However, we are undergoing a five-year update that the state requires us to go through to amend our comprehensive plan and make it more a transition of uses than we have currently. So we will be undergoing that. [2:02:50, 2:02:58]: process um and we'll be addressing this type these type these types of matters and these types of projects. [2:03:00, 2:03:01]: Thank you. [2:03:03, 2:03:06]: Okay. Any other questions? [2:03:07, 2:03:10]: Okay. Does the developer need to come back? [2:03:11, 2:03:13]: No, we can open it up for public hearing unless [2:03:14, 2:03:15]: There any questions? [2:03:17, 2:03:33]: I I had a question. Um, what was your what was your um and I read what you wrote, but I just wanna hear what you have to say about the decrease from the fifty feet to to the twenty five feet. Yes, and you you're the I think the city is saying because it's not as much property they [2:03:33, 2:03:53]: felt like it would be enough room because it's not enough room to spread it out with the wetlands. That's my interpretation. That's correct. And if I have the opportunity I believe the applicant has an opportunity to uh present because this is a separate You do matter. Okay. I'll answer that. And just for the record, my name's Alex Brock with Smith Gambrel Russell, 1105 West Peace Street Street. [2:03:53, 2:04:13]: Um and before I get into the hardships, I believe Miss Logan uh uh articulated some of the hardships that we're facing, I will note that the plan that's here tonight, it is different than what was what staff reviewed in January. Uh you know there's drop in density that uh Ms. Logan mentioned, uh there's other improvements. But another [2:04:13, 2:04:25]: Another thing that's important to this hearing is that we were originally proposing three variances. We were able to eliminate two through redesign. One that we could not eliminate was the front yard setback. [2:04:25, 2:04:45]: And that's due strictly to the heart the shape of the property uh and the topography. As you can see, it's a long, narrow property. Uh the houses are facing uh inward each other, which allows for a uh efficient layout of the development with the loop road uh and efficient uh traffic circulation through the property. [2:04:46, 2:05:06]: We looked at several other designs before we came to this and before we resubmitted this to uh uh staff in February. Some of those turned the houses different ways just so we could try to meet the 50 uh foot setback. Um it it became a very awkward uh layout, uh particularly with fire. [2:05:06, 2:05:26]: Fire access. We do have to have certain requirements to meet fire apparatus access, which they can't uh we can't have a dead end more than 150 feet. This this layout accomplishes all of that. We were as I said, we were able to eliminate the other two variances which were for maximum. [2:05:26, 2:05:30]: minimum lock coverage and to uh a side yard setback. [2:05:31, 2:05:51]: However, again, we were not able to uh uh lengthen the front yard setback uh beyond the 25 feet. And we've mitigated that impact uh for the shorter driveways uh by other other issues, most notably through the addition of a significant number of off-street parking spaces. One of the drawbacks. [2:05:51, 2:06:11]: Of having a shorter driveway is that you don't you have less parking in the drive. Some people find that unattractive, but then again, it's preferable to parking on the street. The way we've gotten around that is to add heading guest parking spaces, which it may be easier to see on your letter size sheets that you have in your packet than on my board. But the [2:06:11, 2:06:31]: The center blocks of the development have a number of head-end parking spaces. I believe there's a little over 90 head-end parking spaces, uh, off-street parking spaces for guest parking. And we are still maintaining uh at least one one to two spaces per unit within the driveway for additional parking. So we're not anticipating. [2:06:31, 2:06:32]: Um [2:06:33, 2:06:40]: issues with on street parking. We we are providing well over the the minimum number of required parking spaces. [2:06:40, 2:07:00]: Um as I mentioned my uh first presentation, I think the city requires uh it is uh 2.25 units per acre. Uh we are above that, we're closer to 3.84 uh spaces per unit. Or excuse me, 2.25 uh parking spaces per unit. [2:07:00, 2:07:07]: We are at uh three point eight four spaces per unit uh for a total of uh six hundred and fifty four parking spaces. [2:07:08, 2:07:28]: Some other issues that uh we have is that four star in their HOA it's a uh they maintain the landscaping for each unit as well as the common areas. So a longer driveway uh a l you know, requires more maintenance. Uh a lot of times people move into townhomes because they don't want to deal with the yard anymore. Uh [2:07:28, 2:07:48]: Uh and the HOA will take care of that in four stars communities. When you have a lengthened driveway and longer front yard, that's more maintenance, uh increased cost for maintenance and also increases the HOA dues to compensate for that. So at it particularly at this price point, that becomes difficult for a lot of homeowners uh to have the increased [2:07:48, 2:07:49]: H O A do's. [2:07:52, 2:08:00]: Um and then also finally, 50 foot front yard setback is atypical for most townhome developments. [2:08:00, 2:08:20]: We we found it odd that City of Stockbridge has that for their townhomes. Uh we could we actually looked and could not find another townhome development within the city uh that had a 50-foot driveway. Um, you know, if anybody has an example of that, we would be glad to go out and look at it. But most townhomes are around the 25 to 30 foot uh driveway. [2:08:20, 2:08:25]: That is typical for most other jurisdictions as well. [2:08:25, 2:08:45]: So what we are asking for is not out of the ordinary. We're not asking for something extraordinarily short uh for the front yard setback. Uh and it's due strictly to the shape of the property, the long, narrow shape of the property, as well as the topography. As Miss Logan mentioned, uh we have almost a seventy foot drop uh from Davis Road down to the rear of the property. [2:08:45, 2:08:50]: And that what that does is along with the stream buffers, it pushes everything uh uh [2:08:51, 2:08:56]: to the south. Uh so we are confined with how we can lay out the uh the development as well. [2:08:56, 2:09:00]: So with that, uh you know, we would request your approval of this variant. [2:09:04, 2:09:10]: Miss Miss Carter, I was just curious, is this something that will change in the um you said you're that we're gonna have to re review [2:09:11, 2:09:14]: the I guess the current policy, is this something that would change in it? [2:09:15, 2:09:35]: That's something that that the Plan Commission can direct staff to look at um and see what the best practices are in the area. Uh we have a lot of townhomes that are going in throughout the city um that are just under just in the development phases through um plan reviews at this point. So yes, we could definitely look at this look at this item. Okay. [2:09:36, 2:09:37]: Right. [2:09:38, 2:09:40]: Is this open to public comment? [2:09:41, 2:09:45]: Okay. Um any public comments on this last [2:09:45, 2:09:47]: Item for the variants. [2:09:47, 2:09:48]: Yes, sir. [2:09:54, 2:09:58]: Mark McBride, two eighty nine Shields Road. Um [2:09:59, 2:10:11]: I'm just curious if if I was wanting to build some town homes across the road on my property and I had a builder's license, would that variance be applied to me or is it just to them? [2:10:12, 2:10:32]: for this particular project or is it gonna be changed throughout? Or is it just town homes or is it any kind of homes? I I s I I'm you know, I don't know everything, but I know building and uh I know you have rules for a reason and uh sound like they won't [2:10:32, 2:10:35]: wanted to cram as many of these as they could. Profitability. [2:10:36, 2:10:42]: If they were want to put two hundred and thirty homes in there, I don't see how they could have done it and you know. [2:10:42, 2:10:56]: i if they couldn't use the back part and then now they saying they c they they can't get the hundred and seventy unless they got fifty you know, twenty five versus fifty. I mean, I I don't know. Um I I I'm questioning that myself. [2:11:01, 2:11:04]: Any other comments opposed to this variance? [2:11:12, 2:11:26]: Dylan Garnett of 566 Davis Road. My questions for the developers are uh I seen in the letter that they said they also wanted to take go from fifteen feet in the back of the property. [2:11:26, 2:11:27]: To ten feet? [2:11:29, 2:11:34]: Y'all removed that? Okay. See so that was my only question. So and the buffer line [2:11:34, 2:11:41]: Uh, are you guys going to explain how far the buffer is from the home's backyard to [2:11:41, 2:11:43]: You know, to the adjacent properties. [2:11:43, 2:12:03]: Is is that something they can address at the meeting that they're gonna set up? I can answer that. So the buffer is going to be at from the property line inside of their property line into their property. The buffer will not encroach onto your side if you are adjacent. Okay. It's is it is located there for screening for screening. [2:12:03, 2:12:10]: Screening screening mechanism. Okay. Yeah, those are my only two questions. So they can't touch his property. No, they cannot. Okay. [2:12:10, 2:12:11]: Thank you, madam. [2:12:18, 2:12:19]: Okay. Any other [2:12:21, 2:12:24]: Comments opposed or for the variants? [2:12:26, 2:12:26]: Okay. [2:12:31, 2:12:32]: You want to say something? [2:12:38, 2:12:58]: Just to uh address some of the concerns that the uh the neighbors brought up. One thing that uh the gentleman that lives at the uh corner, Davis and Shields Road, mentioned was if any developer could use this variance, as uh this body likely knows, as well as uh planning staff can uh reiterate, is variances. [2:12:58, 2:13:10]: are particular to a uh particular piece of property and based on the hardships peculiar to that uh specific property. So our the grant of our variants does not have any um [2:13:11, 2:13:26]: precedents or lying on any other property. So if we are granted a variance for a front yard setback, doesn't mean our neighbors could go back and and build into that setback as well. And one other thing to note is that fifty foot setback is peculiar to this uh zoning district as well. [2:13:30, 2:13:40]: Um and then Mr. Garnet, I I believe I answered his questions or we answered his. He had a question about the the other setbacks. We've withdrawn those variances uh when we redesigned the the site. [2:13:46, 2:13:53]: One one more thing. Are you aware that Stockbridge City Ordinance does not allow parking on city streets? [2:13:54, 2:14:14]: I'm not aware of that, but that's something that is typically enforced through HOA Covenants, uh, regardless. Um that is one of the reasons why we've tried to provide so much parking um on the on our site. Okay. I just wanted to make sure that you and you answer my question when you said covenants, that something could be written into the covenants to let people [2:14:14, 2:14:20]: Yes, I would believe if we have any objections to that. [2:14:22, 2:14:42]: Madam President, may I speak on that about no parking on city streets? They actually have a setup where they will allow parking just for certain events in uh certain subdivision. I mean sub subdivisions and certain areas. [2:14:42, 2:15:02]: city has something in place pertaining to that. So it's not a total package where you can't park on street. But if if there's events, they have to uh I think get uh permits from the city in relationship to that. So you might want to check on that situation also. [2:15:10, 2:15:11]: Yeah, you said that we [2:15:13, 2:15:19]: I wanted to uh get clarification. You said that we can request for more information on [2:15:20, 2:15:21]: Um [2:15:21, 2:15:26]: Are you saying tonight or you're saying whether in the future this is gonna be amended? [2:15:26, 2:15:27]: Um just [2:15:28, 2:15:31]: about the the spacing and things. He was saying that [2:15:32, 2:15:35]: That's not the norm um for [2:15:35, 2:15:38]: Townhouses, if you were saying that we've gotta make some changes anyway. [2:15:39, 2:15:59]: Yeah, so we we do have a few changes that we're gonna we're looking at in the UDC that we found, you know, best practices where we need to make those tweaks here and there. Um but we will consider that um and bring something to you guys in the coming months. Uh we'll probably bring some legislation to you guys as proposed um as we do our [2:15:59, 2:16:02]: our research. I have my team to research and and we'll get back with you on that. [2:16:03, 2:16:12]: Is there any way that you can research to see if i if we if we decided to postpone this or something like that, can you see if that's something that would be changed? [2:16:13, 2:16:15]: In terms of best practices? [2:16:15, 2:16:33]: Yes. Oh well I'd have to do the research and see if it's in fact um a requirement of a lot of jurisdictions or similar jurisdictions to the city of Stockbridge. And from there we would, you know, confer with our zoning attorney to determine if it's something we need to bring forward to you all and to the city council. Okay. [2:16:33, 2:16:44]: Because my I mean my thoughts are I agree, I think rules are put in place for a reason and of course I don't know anything about this, but um I know the rules are put in in in for a reason and so if you change it for one [2:16:45, 2:17:05]: It seems like you'd have to change it for another, you'd have to change it for another. Um well you have the option to deny it and state that the applicant has to build in accordance with the code and that's it. Right. So it's gets it's gets sticky if you say okay to this person, but then you tell this person no. It seems like that would get sticky when the the rules are there. Right. Well you those are just [2:17:05, 2:17:17]: You do set a precedence when you do um a precedent when you do approve a variance. Um and if you determine there is a hardship or not, um that typically will will guide your decision. Okay. [2:17:18, 2:17:20]: All right. Any other [2:17:21, 2:17:22]: Questions from the [2:17:22, 2:17:23]: Commission. [2:17:24, 2:17:25]: Yes, sir. [2:17:31, 2:17:51]: If I could just make uh one or two points uh quickly. One uh if city staff does go back to look at this issue as far as the town home lengths, I mean that is uh a lengthy process where they'll have to investigate it and uh determine whether or not they are uh what other jurisdictions use as best practices for the uh the length of the driveways. Um we would urge you to [2:17:51, 2:18:00]: Move forward tonight on this uh while they uh go back and look at their their code issues. And the second point I would say is that um [2:18:01, 2:18:12]: There's not necessarily there's not strict precedence for granting a variance. Uh variances are peculiar to a particular property uh based on the hardships and of that property. [2:18:13, 2:18:21]: So the grant of the variance tonight does not mean our neighbors can uh uh should be granted the same variance uh for a different property. Uh [2:18:23, 2:18:33]: Again, our hardships are due strictly to the layout of our property, uh the long, narrow shape of it. It is peculiar to our property. That doesn't mean the uh [2:18:33, 2:18:46]: if the uh mobile home park to the uh west or to the south of us is redeveloped that they would meet the same hardships. Uh so there is no precedent for them to be granted the same variance. I j just wanted to make that point. [2:18:56, 2:19:05]: Oh it one one sorry. One other point I think is important. I can't believe I just forgot this, but [2:19:05, 2:19:25]: You just approved or recommended approval of the rezoning of the COM plan uh based on certain conditions. One of those was condition that the variants be approved as well, uh, and also that it was approved pursuant to the site plan that you see before you tonight, which includes the twenty-five-foot driveway. So I would urge you to move forward with a recommendation of approval on the [2:19:25, 2:19:31]: variants. Uh again, if council feels that it's uh not necessary, they can make the determination to [2:19:31, 2:19:43]: either adopt or remove conditions as necessary. Uh but since you have already recommended approval of the other two applications with those conditions, I would uh urge you to recommend approval of this as well. [2:19:47, 2:19:49]: I just I have a question in terms of funny book. [2:19:50, 2:20:10]: I have a question just in terms of point of order, may I ask you? Right. Point of order is that it is your decision tonight to determine whether there is in fact of hardship, if you believe there to be a hardship. And if so, that would guide your decision. Um and then of course you are the recommending body to the city [2:20:10, 2:20:23]: council and the council will make the final decision. But it is up to you whether you want to move forward with this. You can ad deny it, you can approve it with the conditions, or you can table it. You have those options ahead of you. Can it be postponed? [2:20:24, 2:20:28]: Yes, that's that's the same as tabling, yes ma'am. Okay. [2:20:28, 2:20:28]: What do you guys think? [2:20:30, 2:20:31]: That's kind of quite. [2:20:35, 2:20:37]: Okay. I have to make the motion. Okay. [2:20:39, 2:20:39]: Yeah. [2:20:41, 2:20:42]: If I can make [2:20:47, 2:21:07]: If I can make one last point. Uh and I just to reiterate, um I would also urge this body not to postpone uh or defer the application, uh just because there is a lengthy amount of time that the uh staff would take to do their research uh and then come up with a uh change to the the ordinance if so deemed. Um that [2:21:07, 2:21:27]: If they do make a change to the ordinance, that would uh affect future townhome developments in the city of Stockbridge. Um but we would urge you to move forward tonight based on the hardships, based on our particular peculiar uh circumstances on our property. I would like to make a point of order that the public hearing has been closed and that you can't do that. [2:21:27, 2:21:28]: You are ready for a motion. [2:21:29, 2:21:30]: Okay, thank you. [2:21:33, 2:21:34]: Okay. [2:21:36, 2:21:41]: I would like to see if we have a motion to um postpone this particular um [2:21:41, 2:21:46]: variants so we can just get some more information. Um [2:21:47, 2:21:53]: Because the rules are set and I I'm not sure how to phrase this, so I would uh see if we have a motion to postpone it. [2:21:55, 2:22:10]: I do have a question. Is the postponement based on the research needed f to determine whether that hardship is should be granted or is it based on uh best practices across? Best practices. Okay. [2:22:11, 2:22:11]: Just one moment. [2:22:17, 2:22:37]: So so because of the current even if we do the research, it is not approved by the city council today. So postponing it w may not achieve, I think, what you what you think it might. Um so what the applicants are vested in is what the code is today. So you all would have the determination. [2:22:37, 2:22:44]: To recommend approval, denial, or to table it all together. Okay. [2:22:48, 2:22:51]: Madam President, may I speak? Absolutely. [2:22:52, 2:22:54]: First of all, when you approve [2:22:54, 2:22:55]: Uh [2:22:56, 2:23:09]: The other rezoning you basically add it to all the rest of'em because if you don't approve the variance, then everything else doesn't get approved on there. [2:23:11, 2:23:15]: So and basically you you acknowledge [2:23:15, 2:23:20]: Most of the approval process here anyway. Uh [2:23:21, 2:23:25]: You would be defeating your purpose of all decisions we made tonight. [2:23:27, 2:23:28]: If we don't go forward. [2:23:29, 2:23:41]: And then you can also have the homeowners uh we can add stipulations to this even when we approve it, which you've already done on one of them that [2:23:43, 2:23:55]: we have approval to it. We actually put stipulations to some of these already. So you basically just about complete the whole task right now. [2:24:00, 2:24:11]: So do I have a motion to um move forward with this variance with um the uh the one that we've already approved, the ones that we've already approved. [2:24:12, 2:24:17]: the amendments that the city recommended as well as um the meeting [2:24:17, 2:24:20]: with the residents. Do I have a motion to [2:24:21, 2:24:22]: Approved this. [2:24:27, 2:24:36]: Are you asking for a motion? Yes. Yes, I'd like to make a motion. We accept this variance um along with the coinciding [2:24:38, 2:24:42]: And I second it, Harold. Condition? [2:24:43, 2:24:46]: Okay. Um all in favor say aye. Aye. [2:24:46, 2:24:47]: Aye. [2:24:48, 2:24:56]: Okay, those opposed, I'm opposed. So we have three forward and one against it. The eyes have it. So we will move forward with the variance. [2:24:57, 2:24:57]: Okay. [2:25:01, 2:25:02]: All right. [2:25:03, 2:25:05]: Project updates. Ms. Carter. [2:25:11, 2:25:15]: Hey, I have um just a few quick updates to make to you all. [2:25:16, 2:25:23]: Um as you know there have been um several town hall meetings that the council members have hosted and [2:25:28, 2:25:36]: And um as a result, um just wanna give you a few uh few tidbits of those meetings and we'll send this out to you as well. Um [2:25:41, 2:25:45]: I just want to kinda highlight some of the major city projects. [2:25:45, 2:26:05]: Um one of which is the uh project that you all approved for the final plat, which is Eagles Hill subdivision. There is a hotel that is going in right off of Spear Road, and that's uh the home to suites hotel and conference center. Um of course Argento at Bridges of Jotaco is underway. It is [2:26:05, 2:26:10]: is located um on the uh south side of Jotoko Road. [2:26:10, 2:26:30]: And there are 306 units underway. There's 16 buildings that are under construction, so a lot of movement there. Costco will be coming in at Bridges of Jotaco and the Holiday and Express as well. There's also a True Hilton Hotel that's being built on Papua. [2:26:30, 2:26:30]: Patrick Henry. [2:26:36, 2:26:38]: What do you want out of it? [2:26:39, 2:26:40]: You just need fold, right? [2:26:41, 2:26:46]: I you took we've share and you took it. Was it yeah. [2:26:50, 2:27:10]: And a few honorable mentions is the Starbucks that is um sub submitted uh for land disturbance application, Chick-fil-A that is scheduling a pre-submittal meeting, which they've done. And then we have other projects on the north and south side of 138, the apartments that were approved um several months ago. [2:27:09, 2:27:29]: And then the best western is um has been cited. It has not finished its construction um due to some um construction issues, um financial challenges that the owner is having. Um last but not least, I wanted to address the um five-year comprehensive plan update, which [2:27:29, 2:27:43]: we will be bringing to you all for your comments over the next months. We are required by the state to adopt an updated five-year plan by October. So we plan to have meetings in May. [2:27:44, 2:28:00]: in June and July for public comment. We have our website that will be up and running tomorrow uh so that people can do the surveys, provide comments, and uh get in the information that they're asking for. Um and that with that, that ends my comments for the evening. [2:28:06, 2:28:07]: No additional staff comments. [2:28:10, 2:28:15]: Just question for s for Bracket. Sure. The um Spear Row [2:28:16, 2:28:36]: Is that behind the McDonald's? Yes. That's the home to yes, it's right behind the McDonald's. Correct. It's gonna be a hotel and conference center. Yes. Um so they're uh uh they're proposing 108 rooms and it is currently underway as well. So a lot of movement, a lot of growth is going on in the room. [2:28:36, 2:28:42]: in the city and we're looking actually for more in our downtown area. So we're look trying to get that going as well. [2:28:42, 2:28:47]: What's happening with the hotel further down one thirty eight on the right? The best western. [2:28:48, 2:29:08]: I don't know what it's gonna be. It never got to the point where you could identify. We've had to cite the owner um for the property because they have not been able to complete it. Um it started originally, I wanna say in twenty eighteen before I came to the city, years before. Wow. And um it just uh [2:29:07, 2:29:27]: with a building sitting there, you have to get engineers to, you know, confirm that it is still structurally sound because it's been open um to all the elements. Um and of course still that broken window theory, we need to make sure we close up those windows and not make it be easy access for um for folks who are just [2:29:27, 2:29:38]: you know, pass it passing by. Um, so we are trying to work with that applicant to get things either done or we can condemn it and um get it taken down. [2:29:40, 2:29:40]: Okay. [2:29:41, 2:29:42]: Thank you. Absolutely. [2:29:52, 2:29:53]: Yeah. [2:29:53, 2:30:00]: Is there a motion for us to adjourn the meeting? Madam Chair, I move for adjournment. Okay. And I second Harold. [2:30:00, 2:30:07]: All in favor? Aye. Okay. Aye. Um the meetings are journey. Thank you so much. Okay. Have a good evening. [2:30:07, 2:30:16]: Do we need to do that? Do we want your notebooks back? Uh yes, please. Okay. Please. And we'll get you can take the information if you'd like, um, but we'll give them back to you for the next hearing. [2:30:18, 2:30:37]: We can leave it. You can leave it and we can have the maps. Yes, keep the maps. Yes, the maps are for for you all to keep. Okay. Yes. Home with you. Or you could Gordon will come and collect'em.

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Mr. Lewis, I don't know if this is the first time you've been here in business, sir. No, okay. Me too. It's all good. It's all good. It's all good. All right, here we go. It's a proclamation. City Star British Georgia recorded. [0:07:46, 0:07:50]: recognition of Southern Crescent Veterans Services Incorporated. [0:07:50, 0:08:03]: Where Southern Crescent Veterans Services incorporates a volunteer group of retired veterans from various war eras dedicated to assisting fellow veterans and employment, education, transition, training programs, and networking opportunities. [0:08:03, 0:08:23]: Where the Southern Crescent Veterans Services incorporate partners with various local nonprofit service organizations to meet the immediate needs of our veterans in financial crisis, shelter for homeless, veterans, employment or job leads, assistant with resume, filing for an increase of VA compensation or pension, as well as assisting them with filing their initial VA claim. 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Now there now therefore I, Anthony S4, by virtue of vest of authority best in me, [0:09:11, 0:09:31]: As the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and on behalf of City Council members Elton, Alexander, Londa Barber, John Blount, Nakesia Gann, and Afonso Thomas to hereby recognize Southern Crescent Veterans Services Incorporated for all that you do for our United States veterans, and we thank you for your volunteering your time and services as we ask the community to continue to support your efforts and witness thereof. [0:09:31, 0:09:41]: I have hereunto set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the tenth day of April, year of our Lord, two thousand and twenty three, and I signed the proclamation along when I clerk for Nessal Holiday. [0:09:56, 0:10:09]: And the floor in the floor is yours? Oh, we try to show probably a church people. Thank you, Mary. [0:10:10, 0:10:30]: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I would just like to say thank you for coming out to support us. Um, without you, it will not be us. Um, we do the things that we do on behalf of our hearts to make sure that our veterans and our youths that are here in the Henry County and Clayton County area are taken care of. Um majority of the time you'll see me on Facebook begging a lot for even volunteers. [0:10:30, 0:10:41]: In kind of donations or monetary items to assist those who are in need. This is a truly appreciated award, so I thank you, Mayor Ford, for bringing it to us at this time. [0:10:41, 0:10:56]: Um if you know any best that's in the neighborhood that need our services, everything that we do and provide is free. Just let'em know that we're here to serve. And thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you as well. [0:10:57, 0:11:11]: Oh okay. Okay. I'm I'm just part of the group. So I'll be right here. It's all about you all. Okay, okay. There you go. [0:11:28, 0:11:32]: Good, how you doing? [0:16:01, 0:16:03]: [1016.4, 1017.7]: Yeah. [0:24:40, 0:24:40]: Yeah. [0:27:33, 0:27:34]: Mrs. Carter. [0:27:36, 0:27:37]: Mrs. Carter. [0:27:40, 0:27:41]: Mrs. Carter. [0:33:33, 0:33:36]: Ladies and gentlemen, Council, let's get started with the meeting, please. [0:33:51, 0:34:11]: If they were being able to fix that mirror for it. Well, I surely hope so. I have not looked at my email. I'm looking at Facebook Live now and I don't see that we're streaming live yet. Uh yes we are streaming live. They can hear us now. But my mic is on. I I have told them exactly what your concern was. [0:34:11, 0:34:16]: I meant I mentioned that to him. I didn't I don't see it on the Well, sorry about that. I I told him already. [0:34:21, 0:34:22]: Gentlemen, let's go. [0:34:35, 0:34:37]: I'm not going to have my either. No, sir. [0:34:42, 0:34:46]: Okay, we're live folks on Facebook as we're recording at this time. [0:34:46, 0:34:47]: I now have [0:34:48, 0:34:49]: Six oh five. [0:34:49, 0:34:53]: So I'd like to call our April tenth council meeting to order. [0:34:54, 0:35:00]: And on that note, please stand for invocation. Mass on retired basin, please do it honors. [0:35:05, 0:35:10]: Good evening, every one of you. Please close your eyes and bow your head as I give a brief indication. [0:35:11, 0:35:26]: Dear Heavenly Father, we'd like to thank you for this opportunity to come before you, to acknowledge that you are the one that's in charge of each and every one of us. We thank you for making the ultimate sacrifice in regards to giving your one and only son, as today is that day that he had rose from the dead. [0:35:27, 0:35:47]: We would like to thank the community for coming together to put forth the efforts to make sure that all citizens are loved, shown immense kindness, and to help them in their time of need. Please be with Mayor Ford and the elected council members to share good news and good deeds to the people who are seeking their advice and leadership. [0:35:46, 0:36:06]: We love you so very much for everything that you continue to do, and we pray this and accept this in the holy precious name of your son Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Pledge allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to be a public where we stand, one nation, one of God, indivisible, with liberty. [0:36:06, 0:36:08]: Just as well. [0:36:09, 0:36:11]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:36:15, 0:36:16]: Mayor Ford. Present. [0:36:17, 0:36:23]: Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Blount. Present. [0:36:23, 0:36:29]: Councilwoman Gantt. Present. Councilman Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, do you have a core? [0:36:29, 0:36:40]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. Council, I'm I'd like to do this. I have a I wanna make a I'd like for you to make a motion to amend the agenda to remove item number six, which is amphitheater rental policy. [0:36:42, 0:36:55]: Mayor Ford? Yes, sir. So moved. Is there a second? I second. Uh miss Ms. Gantt second. All in favor, please. Discussion. Uh discussion. No, sir. We we're gonna no no no need to discuss this. Either y yeah or nay, up or down. [0:36:55, 0:36:57]: Don't need to discuss. All in favor, please indicate. [0:36:58, 0:37:00]: Okay, I'll pose. [0:37:00, 0:37:12]: Okay, four's one. Okay, also, Council, if you don't mind I'd like to like a motion to uh motion to amend the agenda to add number eight eighteen, which would be an ordinance for consumption of alcohol at the amphitheater. [0:37:14, 0:37:15]: Don't lose. [0:37:15, 0:37:16]: I second. [0:37:16, 0:37:18]: No, there's gotta be a so move. [0:37:18, 0:37:24]: Yep, Miss Barber. So Miss I didn't see it. Miss Barber so move, Madame Ford. Okay, Miss Gantt second there. Okay, all favor, please indicate. [0:37:25, 0:37:36]: Call opposed? Oh, says okay, unanimous decision. All right, fantastic. Mayor, you said number eight. Excuse me. Number eight number eighteen, we'll add uh ordinance for consumption of alcohol to empathy for discussion number eight, item number eighteen. [0:37:37, 0:37:37]: Okay. [0:37:38, 0:37:57]: And also uh Council need a motion to amend the agenda for discussion, which will be item number nineteen, uh, for the Southern Crescent Technical College uh for amphitheater rental agreement. But uh I'd like to have that right after our first presentation so we don't keep them waiting all evening. Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. This will be for a discussion item. [0:37:58, 0:38:10]: It's actually uh for disc it what's going to be for approval. Well uh approval actually. But none of us have approval before approval or disapproval. But none of us have read the contract. [0:38:10, 0:38:23]: It was just Okay, I'll tell you what. You want it for discussion, we'll have a discussion. And then if we decide if we if we decide okay, if we decide to do something different, the council will decide to do something different. For discussion. Are you are you so moved? I will make a motion for discussion. Okay, is there s is there a second? [0:38:24, 0:38:31]: I wanna we we doing a rental policy, but we not we took the rental policy off. That's [0:38:31, 0:38:32]: That is correct. [0:38:33, 0:38:36]: I'm certainly support them moving ahead with this, but [0:38:36, 0:38:44]: Uh what w how are we gonna do that without the policy? But Well there's there's a there's a sign of uh a policy in front of you. Sign agreement in front of you at this time. [0:38:44, 0:38:44]: Four. [0:38:45, 0:38:45]: Yeah. [0:38:46, 0:38:47]: Mayor Forrest. Yes, Mayor. [0:38:47, 0:38:50]: I understand um what Councilman Alexander is saying now. [0:38:51, 0:39:11]: Have we approved the we've already approved a rental prom policy agreement, correct? Well we did approve it. There were some potential some adjustments that we wanted to make, but this this this particular policy with the Southern Crescent uh college have been worked through for the last several months or so. Okay. And attorneys have been actively involved in this as well. All right. So I will move to has anyone made a movement? Well she wants to [0:39:11, 0:39:18]: Mr. Pro Tem one discussed this versus versus having a a um a presentation to for approval or disapproval. [0:39:19, 0:39:19]: Okay. [0:39:20, 0:39:34]: Well anyway, you I mean you can always vote. Exactly right. So it could be for discussion. She made a motion for discussion. Is there a second motion? I second. Okay. And I want to it it's gonna be right after the presentation. Be up early. All right. Okay, so second advice, Miss Cann. All in favor, please indicate. [0:39:35, 0:39:43]: All right, unanimously fantastic. Okay, on that note, Council, you have before you uh the adoption of minutes uh for the council meeting on February thirteenth. [0:39:44, 0:39:53]: And also the council work session on February twenty-eighth. If there are no particular changes for the clerk for this particular these particular minutes, I need a motion to approve them. [0:39:53, 0:39:54]: Miss Barber? [0:39:55, 0:39:56]: Is our second? [0:39:56, 0:39:59]: Mr. Blount secondary. All favor, please indicate. [0:39:59, 0:40:03]: Unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Okay. Um [0:40:04, 0:40:07]: Uh Madam Clerk, is there any are there any public comments at all? [0:40:07, 0:40:10]: Mayor Ford, we do have one public comment. [0:40:11, 0:40:13]: Okay, come on forward please. [0:40:15, 0:40:17]: Name and address as you come forward. [0:40:22, 0:40:30]: Hi, good evening. My name is Fran Morgan. I live at three sixteen Spring Creek Drive. Okay. [0:40:31, 0:40:32]: Okay, and [0:40:34, 0:40:51]: I am a homeowner and I have lived in Will Springs subdivision for the past eleven years. The reason I'm here today is because we have quite a few residents that are parking their vehicles, trailers, recreational vehicles on the grass in the front, sides, and rear yard. [0:40:51, 0:41:10]: The grass is no longer there where it's these vehicles are being parked. This is not only an eyesore but an embarrassment when our friends and family come to visit and it has to see all this. It's also important we protect our property values and this could deter potential buyers. [0:41:10, 0:41:30]: I am aware that the city does have a code that does not allow vehicles to park in the street, but I have been told that there is no city code preventing vehicles from parking on the grass, which is an unimproved surface. I am asking if you could please review this and consider adding a city code that would not allow any. [0:41:30, 0:41:36]: vehicle trailer or recreational vehicle to be front parked in the front yard, side or rear. [0:41:36, 0:41:42]: of a residential zone property. I don't believe this should apply to the entire city of Stockbridge. [0:41:42, 0:41:47]: But it should apply to single family residential homes that are in a subdivision. [0:41:48, 0:41:53]: And I have pictures that I can leave you all if you want to review them later on. [0:41:53, 0:42:13]: to just see what's going on. I'll tell you what the the city manager is over here. He would take those pictures from you. He'll take review this in this aspect. I thought for sure we we have this covered in the ordinance. Of course our police chief is in the audience here tonight as well. Uh but uh the the police officers do we do have an ordinance and they follow the ordinance. So we'll double check what your thoughts here and make sure this accurate and we make [0:42:13, 0:42:22]: To adjustments appropriately. But the Mr. Gardner is right there, ma'am. Unless there's something else, you he will meet you and you can hand him those pictures. Okay? Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. [0:42:24, 0:42:31]: All right, next on item is ceremonial. Earlier today, uh we actually had two proclamations that uh read. [0:42:31, 0:42:49]: And uh the first one dealt with uh Child Abuse Prevention Awareness Month, which is April. And uh in the in and about the city you will see uh blue and silver pinwheels indicating our support for child abuse and uh excuse me, a support against child abuse, excuse me, and this aspect and prevention. Um [0:42:50, 0:42:58]: And it's and he has some signs there as well. Uh so I want you to know that we're very supportive of uh the aspect that uh we need to take care of our children. [0:42:58, 0:43:18]: And okay. And also the the other proclamation dealt with the Southern Crescent Veterans Us uh Corporated and Massar Basin who gave the invocation today received that and she has uh outstanding organization that works with veterans across the board to assist with them with anything that they need in reference to health issues. [0:43:18, 0:43:38]: Issues, job issues, and anything else, anything that deals with veterans, period. So it's very, very worthwhile and quite a bit of support that we have given here in the local community in reference to that. On that note, we'll move on to our presentation, annual CVB convention, Visitors Bureau 2020. [0:43:38, 0:43:44]: twenty two report presented by Laura Lucre, the executive director. Please, Laura, come forward. [0:43:54, 0:43:55]: Mm. [0:44:08, 0:44:09]: Huh? [0:44:10, 0:44:30]: Yep. Okay, there we go. Thank y'all. Uh I am Laura Lucer. I'm the Director of Tourism for Visit Henry. And um I've spoken with all of you previously, so I won't go into the specifics, just quickly to say that um we are excuse me. Okay, we are the destination marketing organization for the [0:44:30, 0:44:40]: city of Stockbridge as well as for Stockbridge or for Hampton and Locust Grove and then for unincorporated Henry County. And that means that we are um charged with the [0:44:41, 0:44:50]: promotion of um all the things that there are to do in order to make Henry County and all of its cities um a desirable destination for visitors. [0:44:50, 0:45:07]: And our mission is to inspire tourism um by engaging the partners, that's you, and all of our hotels, restaurants and attractions in the community in order to build a sense of hospitality for Henry County's um visitors to stimulate economic development because economic development is what it is all about. [0:45:09, 0:45:27]: So in 2020, I know that there were several, excuse me, 2022. Uh nobody wants to go back to 2020. Uh 2022 there were uh several changes. Um that is our first full year that we collected um hotel motel taxes from short term rentals, but it also I know that you've had several um [0:45:28, 0:45:31]: New hotels come into the city of Stockbridge with your [0:45:32, 0:45:52]: um annexation. So the numbers next year and the percentages will look a little bit different. But as I said, we do represent four different entities and you'll see those percentages of budget makeup represented here. The orange is Henry County. The yellow is um the excuse me, orange is Locust Grove, yellow is city of um or Henry County [0:45:52, 0:45:53]: Yeah. [0:45:53, 0:46:09]: Uh the gray is stockbridge at about 20% with Hampton making up that the little blue strip at the top. Um and that's um representing about 30 hotels and a bed and breakfast across um all of the community. [0:46:11, 0:46:31]: So um in 2022 um we had a variety of um things that we were working on, specifically um one of which was visitor services. Um we have our 2022 visitors guide that was um our second installation of our magazine quality visitors guide. Um and [0:46:31, 0:46:39]: And it continued the work that the previous issue had started, where we had pioneered having four. [0:46:39, 0:46:59]: Custom brochure racks from Barn Beautiful in four of the welcome centers and it was so successful we expanded that to eight. Um there are nine centers, only eight will allow any type of promotion from outside of their region. Um and so we did it in all eight and we went through um a little over fifty thousand guides. We're actually still waiting. [0:46:59, 0:47:00]: [2820.9, 2830.3]: um from our distributor if we went through more than that we ordered sixty five thousand um and we had to order fifteen additional thousand in June because we were already running out. So [0:47:10, 0:47:13]: Um that was incredibly successful, and we do have. [0:47:13, 0:47:23]: our twenty twenty three's that just came in, so if you haven't had a chance to see those, I encourage you to um request one. We'll leave some for everybody at the city as well. [0:47:24, 0:47:44]: And then some new things that we really put into practice and we're excited about this year was our photo kiosk. This is a freestanding, independent touchscreen kiosk. It allows visitors to interact with it and select from 12 different branded city backgrounds. You can see some examples of some of those photos that people have taken. They can email it to them. [0:47:43, 0:47:58]: themselves or text it to themselves, but on the back end it lets us know what they're interested in, where they're from, um, how many people they shared it with, that kind of information. Um and so we have one at the center now and we have asked if we could expand that program as well. [0:48:00, 0:48:20]: Then in 2023, excuse me, we launched our new mobile visitor center, but we started that process mid-year in 2022. And we hired our part-time expert explorer. In September, she started and began working events such as at your local the theater, not the theater, the [0:48:20, 0:48:40]: Amphitheater at hotels, restaurants, events around the community. And she is supported by more than 30 trained, what we call local explorers, which is our volunteer force. And they were incredibly successful at engaging volunteers or visitors at those events. The goal with this program is to meet visitors where [0:48:39, 0:48:50]: they are. They're coming into the destination maybe with little to no knowledge of what else they could do, maybe other than what they're there to do. And so our our goal is to be there in their moment of decision. [0:48:51, 0:48:52]: And to say [0:48:52, 0:48:58]: Here's what else you could do, here's where else you could eat and encourage them to stay longer and spend more money. [0:48:58, 0:49:08]: And so this will be our full s first full year with our actual van that is built out on the inside as well. If you haven't had a chance to to look at the inside, I [0:49:09, 0:49:12]: Um, would love to bring it and let you see it here at City Hall. [0:49:13, 0:49:33]: So we also have um several different types of advertising that we do. We have seven different um billboard locations. They are digital billboards. We have one that's the lowest one we have is in um just north of Mount Caramel Road, and the tall the one furthest north is um on Interstate 24 in Chattanooga. Um so [0:49:33, 0:49:39]: They're all facing southbound traffic. That's what we found from research is where our highest number of visitors are coming from. [0:49:40, 0:49:51]: And so we have um four different designs that rotate through when we don't have either event or um partner promotions. Um you can see here is an example of of the one for the city of Stockbridge. [0:49:52, 0:50:00]: We also do print and digital ads. Um, we did ads in a variety of different types of publications. Like I said, both print and digital, including [0:50:01, 0:50:12]: Um the Georgia State Parks Guide, uh Southbound magazine, Better Homes and Gardens, um, and then here's some additional um examples of some of those ads that we ran as well. [0:50:13, 0:50:31]: We did a lot of video advertising. Um we have fifteen second and two minute videos, the fifteen second video um for each of our cities. And um we did about one million Stockbridge specific videos. These were served via YouTube, connected TVs, over-the-top TVs. So these are things like [0:50:31, 0:50:40]: uh YouTube ads or in in-stream content if you're reading an article or um things like Hulu that have streaming content that has um [0:50:40, 0:50:49]: video ads. More than 800,000 of them were completed. So people chose to watch all 15 or seconds of it. They didn't skip it. [0:50:49, 0:50:58]: And then that created about seventeen hundred clicks through from those ads directly to um Stockbridge specific itinerary on our site. [0:50:59, 0:51:05]: We also have some very um Stockbridge specific uh display ads. These are called digital display. You see [0:51:05, 0:51:22]: Um copies of photos along with some text that tells visitors what they can expect. Um these um had over two million impressions and seventeen thousand clicks to um to our site, which was all linking directly through to Stockburge specific content. And I do wanna make sure that it's specific that [0:51:22, 0:51:42]: These two million impressions are just stock bridge specific impressions. Every city has a different set of ads. There's about 25 ads for each city. Um, and they run and rotate through depending on what people are looking for based on what's in that city. So that's what you're seeing is stock bridge specific numbers. And that is um also including paid. [0:51:42, 0:51:51]: And um paid search and paid social. So here's an example of some paid search ads. Um, and those had about 50,000 impressions as well. [0:51:52, 0:51:57]: And so they cover a variety of different topics, shopping, history, um, et cetera. [0:51:58, 0:52:12]: We had a very successful year with PR and media. Um, we had about a hundred and seventy-two th um published results, including that equaled about a hundred and sixty-eight million dollars in earned media value. That means that if we'd gone out and bought these um [0:52:13, 0:52:29]: ads in these publications, the the column length or the number of pages would have cost us about a hundred and sixty eight million dollars, but instead it was free because it was editorial content. And that did include an ad or a full several page article in uh Southern Southern Living um magazine. [0:52:31, 0:52:40]: Social media, Leo continues to knock it out of the park with social media. Um you can see here's examples of some Instagram as well as uh Facebook post. [0:52:40, 0:52:51]: And he um generated about three million total impressions on our social content last year, a hundred and about a hundred and fifty thousand um total engagements and grew our following by about two thousand. [0:52:53, 0:53:13]: We also invested in a new um research and some new research called Arrivalist. It's a company that does location based data. Um for those of you who had the opportunity to come to our annual meeting, you got to see some of this presented by um John Packer, who works for Arrivalist. And I just wanted to run through um a couple of quick [0:53:13, 0:53:33]: Overview slides. This data is so deep, so broad, there's so many applications for it. But what it does is it actually tracks visitors that come into the destination via cell phone data. So you can see here that in 2020, so this the data you're looking at is 2022 data. [0:53:33, 0:53:38]: Um we had about one point nine visitors excuse me, one point nine million visitors and this is um [0:53:39, 0:53:44]: taken the data is taken based off of at data, but it is um [0:53:45, 0:53:50]: take it along with the cer the census data and um they [0:53:50, 0:54:08]: level it accordingly so that you're not getting really skewed data. What you'll also notice is that while we had almost two million visitors, only about 32% were spending at least a night. That gives us a lot of opportunity to capture those visitors and turn them into overnight stays and then to make them stay longer as well. [0:54:09, 0:54:13]: And with this we have an idea of where they're coming from, who's staying and how long they're staying. [0:54:14, 0:54:19]: So you with this you can also see I know it's probably small for those um [0:54:19, 0:54:37]: in the audience, but what you can see is that some of the states that are our highest um trafficked states or or points of origin make a lot of sense. Obviously Georgia, we're in Georgia, um, but Florida, Alabama, we touch all of those states. But what might be as surprising is that one point two percent of our visitors in twenty twenty two actually came from New York. [0:54:38, 0:54:38]: Um [0:54:39, 0:54:50]: and from Illinois and Texas. So you see all of those um states that don't have any they don't touch us at all, but um they're generating a high traffic um to our to our county. [0:54:51, 0:55:00]: And then when you look at the origin data more specifically, when you drop when you kinda dig into it, what you'll notice is that um while Georgia um [0:55:01, 0:55:18]: provides the highest number of our visitors. It doesn't provide our highest overnight stays. While New York is what, almost sixth, seventh in terms of the number or the places that people are coming from, it has the highest number of overnights, 2.44 um [0:55:18, 0:55:25]: average of 2.44 overnight. So um it's really good to know that okay if they're coming from New York, they're tending to stay longer. Um [0:55:25, 0:55:26]: And then you'd think [0:55:26, 0:55:42]: That makes logical sense, but you also see that Florida tends to stay longer than Alabama, even though um Alabama and Florida are both touching. So those are just good data st it's just good data points to know um when we're trying to advertise and where we're trying to advertise. [0:55:42, 0:55:51]: And then when you drill down from the state to the city level, you can see that only the top five cities are Georgia cities. You got New York right back there in the mix, noting that [0:55:52, 0:55:57]: Georgia is our sixth excuse me, New York is our sixth most um [0:55:57, 0:56:01]: popular point of origin for our visitors, which actually really surprised me. [0:56:02, 0:56:14]: And then when you look at our share of overnight again, the talked about only three point two percent, but then you see how that breaks down by the number of nights. Most of our visitors are day trippers, um, with about four point three percent being four nights or more. [0:56:15, 0:56:35]: And then when you look at where people are coming from, where they're going and when they're going there, you'll see that hotels that get captures the highest number of our visitors, which makes complete sense. Again, people need a place to stay. We do see a lot of pass-through traffic because we are on I-75. Um, but then you look at when they're visiting: March, July, August, again, um [0:56:35, 0:56:47]: the race happening in March and July, that makes um you can you can see those trends, you can see tournament season, you can see concerts all coming in, you can um as they impact that travel. [0:56:49, 0:56:52]: Also when you look at a year over year, um [0:56:52, 0:57:05]: report you can see how they change based on the month. Okay, well we lost um a little over eight percent in January this year over last year, but in September we gained it. So you can [0:57:06, 0:57:12]: Can see and then you can also look and say what happened in September? Why did we get more people in September than we did the previous year? What happened in January? [0:57:13, 0:57:24]: And why did we not get as many people this year? Was it weather? Was it an event that did or didn't happen? Those are some kinds of things that you can look at when you're making better decisions. Um [0:57:24, 0:57:27]: And so we're not making any decisions in a vacuum. [0:57:27, 0:57:47]: And this is a screen capture from the presentation that John Packer gave at that annual meeting, taking the Stockbridge amphitheaters points of interest specifically. We were able to identify 29 points of interest and draw um basically a grid right around their footprint. And so only people [0:57:47, 0:58:07]: People who enter that footprint get counted as a visitor. And so while Stockbridge had 4,300 visitors that were from out of state, they were spending an average of three and a half hours in the destination. And you could see, you know, maybe what your most impactful concerts were. What looks like whatever was in August. [0:58:07, 0:58:14]: Was your highest. Um you know, you had several concerts in August. Um so maybe that's you can see how that how that um [0:58:15, 0:58:35]: shifted the the the travel trends. You can also see where they're coming from. Most people are coming from Georgia. And so it's an opportunity again for us to look at our partners, our cities, our points of points of interest and attractions, and figure out how we can best work with each of those to better leverage [0:58:35, 0:58:37]: What it is that's making people [0:58:37, 0:58:41]: come and visit and then how we can um [0:58:41, 0:58:42]: Create [0:58:42, 0:58:46]: additional experiences. One of things that John said during that presentation that [0:58:46, 0:58:56]: Um, I think it's important to emphasize is that for every hour that someone travels to get you get to you, you have to have four hours of things for them to do once they get here. So [0:58:56, 0:59:02]: If people are coming from Savannah, say and they've traveled three to four hours, then we need about twelve hours or [0:59:02, 0:59:22]: Yeah, things for them to do. And so putting together itineraries, opportunities, um, packages so that they know what else they can do when they're in destination, it provides a huge opportunity for us to um leverage the people that are already interested in what you're offering, but maybe just don't know what else they could do with an easy proximity. So um [0:59:22, 0:59:42]: Um I'd be happy to go through this data in more detail or dive into anything specific if you have um any questions at a at a later point. But at this point do y'all have any questions? That's just a real quick run through. Well, I got it. Thank you for it, Laura, for that presentation. Uh very it's progress. We're making progress, that's for sure, in this aspect. And I know we're [0:59:42, 0:59:56]: helping helping along that process process and uh for that progress. Um the van, I don't know if you've already done this along with our event staff or even with our uh amphitheater, our consultant is in here as well and our representative from our event staff is here to [0:59:56, 1:00:03]: work out something for the the C V B band to be at those particular city activities or even at the concerts, okay? [1:00:04, 1:00:24]: So I don't know if you've already started at Dialogue. You have? Okay. It will be. They'll be there um on Friday. Oh fantastic. Fantastic. So we've got volunteers and the van and Rochelle all scheduled and all very excited. Good deal. And then New York, I have to admit, I'm I'm not totally surprised personally, because every time I turn around I'm and when I meet new people, they're coming from New York, New Jersey, somewhere up north. [1:00:24, 1:00:29]: like this. So it's fantastic, okay? It's it's good good brief. I appreciate that. mister Blount, go ahead, please. [1:00:29, 1:00:31]: Yeah, thank you. Thank you for the presentation. [1:00:31, 1:00:32]: Um [1:00:33, 1:00:40]: I'm gonna start specifically with the amphitheater piece. Um, how do you calculate the points of interest? [1:00:40, 1:00:46]: Once again, how how do you calculate points of interest? Because you got a number of four thousand three hundred and twenty three. [1:00:46, 1:01:01]: So what they do is they draw a a geofence around the property. Um and so when a phone enters that fence, it's registered as a visitor. [1:01:01, 1:01:11]: if it returns to a location outside of Henry County. Um and if it is a I should have said this at the front end, um it [1:01:11, 1:01:15]: rules out anybody who is a um [1:01:15, 1:01:18]: Commuter. So if you go [1:01:18, 1:01:21]: If you live outside of Henry and you come and you go back. [1:01:22, 1:01:27]: Um then it rules you out. It doesn't count you as a visitor. Um it only [1:01:27, 1:01:31]: counts people who are in the destination for at least two hours. [1:01:31, 1:01:33]: And then um [1:01:34, 1:01:54]: That had they have to they don't I think so if you're stopping and getting gas and then going on down the road, it doesn't count you. Um and so it is all about cell phone um data for app usage. Um and that's why it's normalized for the Census Bureau because the census because you might have different populations that are heavier app users than others or heavier apps of certain apps. So [1:01:54, 1:02:12]: What it is is it's for the amphitheater specifically is that there's a invisible line basically drawn around the amphitheater. And when a cell phone enters that um that zone or somebody opens an app that is one of the apps that is tracked, it gets registered as a hit. [1:02:12, 1:02:15]: I and the reason I ask that because it's um [1:02:16, 1:02:19]: When you look at y this is for the year, is that correct? Correct. [1:02:20, 1:02:34]: But when you look at this for the year, let's just say for instance, twelve concerts on the thirty-four seat amphitheater, that's over forty thousand seats. And so for the year you're telling me that in the in the parameters of the amphitheater, only ten percent or a little less than ten percent of the people [1:02:35, 1:02:43]: got on their cell phones or they did whatever. Is that what you're saying? No, what I'm saying is that only that that percentage are from outside of Henry County. [1:02:44, 1:03:01]: Okay. Outside of Henry County? Correct. If it if they um are residents, then they will not be counted. It only counts people who whose home base is outside of Henry County and that they're not commuters. So less than ten percent of the people that got on their phones was outside of Henry County. And it's it's [1:03:02, 1:03:03]: Not about [1:03:05, 1:03:17]: It is about who gets on their phone, but that's why they normalize it so that it's not about there's there's two sets of numbers. There's real numbers and then there's the normalized data. So you have your real numbers that might say [1:03:18, 1:03:19]: That there's only [1:03:20, 1:03:23]: a hundred or a thousand um [1:03:23, 1:03:26]: visits logged and then you look at um [1:03:28, 1:03:36]: the normalization of it. And I'm not explaining this well. John would have done a better job. But you look at the census data and you say that um [1:03:37, 1:03:55]: in that age group or in that demographic or in that area, this is the percentage of the population. And they um adjust it and they've found that it's within I think ninety something percent accurate in terms of when they normalize it. Again, I'm not doing a fantastic job of describing that, but [1:03:55, 1:04:03]: And that's fine, and I would have to say you're one hundred percent sure'cause I have no idea what you just said. So but but my concern has been [1:04:03, 1:04:13]: How connected are you all? So you're a entity of the chamber or you're connected with the chamber or you're s a separate entity of the chamber? We're uh an entity of the chamber. We're underneath their umbrella. [1:04:13, 1:04:17]: So the the thing that has concerned me even since I've been on this council. [1:04:18, 1:04:19]: Is what [1:04:19, 1:04:25]: The the chamber because you know the city of Stockbridge is the heaviest provider of funds to the chamber. [1:04:27, 1:04:30]: Are you talking about hotel are you talking about hotel mental taxes? [1:04:31, 1:04:33]: I'm talking about local abscessil tax. [1:04:35, 1:04:36]: So the loss tax? Yeah. [1:04:37, 1:04:47]: The chamber's not funded through loss tax. Well the the funding well, I'll be put it this way, the funding that we give the count give to the chamber, the funding that comes from the stock bridge portion. [1:04:48, 1:04:54]: For advertising. You're talking about hotel motel? Hotel motel taxes. You're twenty percent of our budget. [1:04:54, 1:04:55]: You're talking [1:04:55, 1:05:02]: But other cities are gonna be less than that, uh with the Chamber in Henry County. No. Um That's what we were told. [1:05:02, 1:05:15]: So Stockbridge is I have a slide. Stockbridge is twenty percent. Slocus Grove is forty something percent. Are you dealing with that per capita or you're dealing with that for monies uh funding brought in? [1:05:16, 1:05:17]: The amount of money brought in. [1:05:18, 1:05:18]: Okay. [1:05:19, 1:05:32]: So I have it broken down. What I do with um the when I look at it is I put everybody's um totals in and then I take the percentage and so and it's based on the real numbers that are brought in. [1:05:33, 1:05:44]: Well that's fine because I don't wanna I don't want us going down that road. I I just I'm only going off the last information that this council was given. But my concern since I've been on this council when it can when it comes to [1:05:45, 1:06:01]: those things that the chamber are doing for the city because this amphitheater, which is the anchor for this whole area, this whole region of the county, uh has has brought you we have hotels that are going up and we have a lot going on. And when I come into [1:06:02, 1:06:05]: Come into the city. I'm looking at the numbers you're giving. [1:06:05, 1:06:18]: But I'm not seeing this type of advertising. That's what I'm saying. Because when I come in from the south end, I'm as far as a hundred miles out and I'm seeing something for McDonald's. When I come out from the north end, [1:06:18, 1:06:31]: If we just did if we just did a picture of the amphitheater and how to contact for to to understand about shows and that, I would love that. I don't see that. So the numbers you're giving versus what I've seen, that's why I even just as our mayor, have you seen this? [1:06:32, 1:06:34]: I don't see what you're doing. I don't see this. [1:06:35, 1:06:38]: And if something could be given to this council when you're doing it [1:06:39, 1:06:51]: that we can go see ourselves. That would be that would be great because it gives validity to the presentations right now for what you're giving and even the question I asked about this point of a point of interest and all that. [1:06:52, 1:06:59]: I'm not sold on that yet because I guess someone else had to present present it for you. But I would ask that the chamber would look closely to [1:07:00, 1:07:18]: What is anchoring this city, which starts with our amphitheater, which start with what we're doing, which start with the historical piece, and that this chamber look closely on the correct way and how to uh uh with the funding that they're getting to advertise our city and make it more prevalent for people to come to our city. [1:07:19, 1:07:39]: And I will say that if I'm doing my job right, you don't see um our advertising. Billboards, of course, you would see, but it is not aimed at residents. Um residents are a wonderful byproduct of what we do, um, education of residents, but it is about educating people outside. [1:07:39, 1:07:57]: of Henry to get them to visit Henry. So all of our digital ads, the video ads, all those things that I was talking about, they are targeted to cities outside the Georgia cities and cities outside of the state that we have already seen a specific tendency to [1:07:58, 1:08:18]: Um either through research or through our web data that have already showed a propensity to or for interest for City of Stockbridge. Every city's advertising is different. So we'll have Stockbridge is targeted to different cities than City of Locust Grove because your visitors are not the same. They're not interested in the same thing and they're not the same people. So [1:08:18, 1:08:38]: So we do target it differently, but you are not going to see, you're not gonna go on Roku or on Hulu and see one of your ads because you're within the city limits. You're not in Little Rock, you're not in Birmingham or wherever else the cities are being. [1:08:38, 1:08:58]: And I've yet to talk to one single person at anything that was for people from out of town and say they saw this online or they saw it on wherever. They say they saw it on Facebook, they saw it on next door, or they heard somebody tell them. That's has been from my experience. I have no idea I can only speak for John Blount. And one of the things I would ask that you all would do. [1:08:59, 1:09:01]: is to get with the people [1:09:01, 1:09:15]: of the city of Stockbridge that are in those positions to tell you the the the talking points that we would like seeing and how we would like those be presented because if I won't see it, how can I believe it? Only thing I believe in that I don't see is God himself. [1:09:16, 1:09:18]: And so I need to so if I don't see evidence of something. [1:09:19, 1:09:30]: How could I you know what exactly would you like to see? I mean, because I mean I'm showing you screen captures of actual ads that are are running or have run. Um [1:09:30, 1:09:34]: What but when you tell me I'm sorry to cut you off because you asked the question, I don't want to go stupid. [1:09:34, 1:09:46]: When you tell me the point of interest is that four thousand, I think it's three hundred and twenty-three, twenty-two or something like that. When you tell me that that's that's that's less than ten percent of a concert year. [1:09:47, 1:09:55]: And when you tell me that, and then I don't see those type of people at our concerts, because the parameters that you gave them, I'm saying I don't see what you're telling me. [1:09:55, 1:09:58]: That's all I'm saying. I don't I don't see what you're saying. [1:10:00, 1:10:04]: I don't experience that. Maybe my other council members do and that's fine, but I don't. [1:10:05, 1:10:12]: And then then when I ask about it, it's not really being explained to a point to make it clear enough to me on what because when you say you draw a line, I don't see it. [1:10:12, 1:10:20]: I'm I'm sorry, can you you don't you don't see what. I'm so I know that that my explanation for the data wasn't the best. [1:10:21, 1:10:25]: One of the greatest things that you all can do that we can see [1:10:25, 1:10:27]: It's to understand your efforts. [1:10:28, 1:10:31]: If I don't understand your efforts without results. [1:10:31, 1:10:33]: Then I question the efforts. [1:10:34, 1:10:41]: So if I don't understand your elpers, what I just asked and you and I didn't really understand what you were saying, then how can I judge the results? [1:10:41, 1:10:45]: Because if you give it all you got and then we don't have any results, it's not your fault. [1:10:47, 1:10:52]: You you see what I'm saying? So at this point, if I don't see your efforts, like you say, I don't I won't see it. [1:10:52, 1:10:56]: Then then I'm at a point where what what else do I have to have to go off for? [1:10:57, 1:11:03]: And I'm more than willing to come and present or do anything that I can. [1:11:04, 1:11:05]: I can't [1:11:09, 1:11:22]: Because of the way our ads are targeted, I can't the digital ads, I can't make sure you see those in the moment. I can certainly bring you copies of our print ads. I can bring you I can email you copies of all of the [1:11:22, 1:11:38]: articles that have been written about the city of Stockbridge by writers that we've brought in. I mean I certainly can do those things. Uh uh so I won't so I won't prolong time. I'm Councilman John Blount. I'll give you one of my cars so somebody give you my car. And when you do those ads, say you call me and say you need to check this ad out. Okay. [1:11:39, 1:11:49]: And I'll be all right. And I do have copies of every ad we've ever done. So I can send you copies of um the magazines or pictures from the magazines. Um [1:11:50, 1:12:08]: I thank you. Council, any other qu Mr. Mr. Alexander, go ahead, please. Yeah, I think I had this conversation and I share some of the um concerns that Mr. Blount was registering. This is why I would like uh Mr. Gardiner, you come to the podium and Mr. Young, will you come to the podium? [1:12:20, 1:12:40]: One of the questions that I asked uh Miss Lucer before we got started was, you know, what are we doing with the billboards and um what's gonna happen? What are we do we currently have any show promos running on their billboards right now? The answer was no. For Friday night show. The answer was [1:12:40, 1:13:00]: Was no. And the answer for for from their end, I'm not talking about from your end, I'm talking about from the C uh the Convention and Visitors Bureau angle. They have billboards. I was under the assumption, as I'm sure the council members were, that we're operating just like we were last year, that we're gonna duplicate. [1:13:00, 1:13:20]: Show advertisements on the count on the CVB boards just like they did last year. Now, I asked Miss Luca, did she was she familiar with you, Mr. Young? She said no, she was not familiar with you, and that that uh she had consulted with several members. I told her about [1:13:20, 1:13:40]: The professional hits that you had on V103, KISS 104, the digital video promotion that you had, and they don't have any of that. There's a breakdown between what you're doing, which is on a class A top level, that information is not getting to them. We need to make that connection between. [1:13:40, 1:14:00]: You, her, and the staff members, so we can get that grade A advertising information to them. Because if they have billboards that are available for us to use and we got a show on Friday night and they're not being used, we're missing that because that's part of this service that we pay for. [1:14:00, 1:14:20]: But right now we're not getting that. And um I think it is and I asked the question, well, who was the contact with the city? I do there were several contacts with the city, but there needs to be one to generate and to do exactly what Mr. Blount is saying, what I'm saying, which is communicate what we want specifically. [1:14:20, 1:14:40]: In terms of shows that we want promoted and events that we want promoted, not just as you say, not just in this here in the area, but in the billboards that you have. Certainly, if the majority of the traffic is coming from inside the these, uh inside the area, we certainly want those. [1:14:40, 1:14:44]: People at Mount at the Mount Carmel bored to drive by it and see it. [1:14:45, 1:14:56]: So if we had the Isley Brothers concert on the s the Carmel Mount Carmel board, it would be seen inside of Henry County. If we had it on I seventy five, it would be seen inside of that. [1:14:57, 1:15:17]: So I'm asking that we make that connection so that we're able to cross-promote. And I think we did as we talked about the data that we that in that excellent presentation that we received at Merrill Manders Center. We talked about extended stays, and I think it was four hours not necessary. [1:15:17, 1:15:37]: I think it was four hours. And then that if they were in this in the city four hours, then they would be more apt to book a hotel stay. And based on that, I had sent you an email in uh some of the counterparts over at Panola Mountain, and so to see whether or not we could tag. [1:15:37, 1:15:40]: [4540.5, 4542.4]: When someone would come to the site [1:15:42, 1:15:44]: The suggestion would be put forward. [1:15:45, 1:16:05]: Yeah, okay, you could excuse me, you could go to Panola Mountain, you could go to Yule Forest, you could go to Atlanta Motor Speedway, or you could go to the Stockbridge Amphitheater so we could get that greater than four hours and a hotel stay uh in in the area uh as well. Those are the cross promotion things. There was some responses. [1:16:05, 1:16:25]: On that, and we need to get involved in that and partnering with other organizations. But firstly, I would like for Mr. Young to make the connection with if it's okay with you, Mr. Gardner, to make the connection with the CVB so we can get the advertising that we're using. [1:16:25, 1:16:45]: using on their platforms and we can take advantage of those with the specific information we want provided, not necessarily because right now it seemed as though they were making the decision, but we weren't actually they weren't exactly sure what we wanted out of that uh particular process. But it would be a cleaner look especially for [1:16:44, 1:16:49]: for the amphitheater, uh for the concert that we're having and maybe we can [1:16:50, 1:17:10]: Change that today and get them some information that they need to use those billboards a hundred miles out, two hundred miles out. Surely somebody in South Carolina might want to bring their mother to the Maxwell concert or somebody in New York. Those are the kind of things that we need to see on those boards and on those advertisements. [1:17:09, 1:17:16]: that will specifically bring people uh to Stockbridge. Do you is uh was that clear or was that [1:17:17, 1:17:37]: And I just wanna state that you do have um money set aside for city advertising that you can buy billboards in South Carolina and we still pay for them. Um, but you get to select where they are and what messages go on them. Um, but that is up to the council as a whole um and whoever to be that one. [1:17:37, 1:17:47]: point of contact um to let me know who and how that money needs to be spent. And then so that's one avenue. And then you also have [1:17:47, 1:17:52]: the boards that you're speaking of. We do have seven and we can um [1:17:52, 1:18:12]: We have a do have a schedule of people who have already are already committed to spots on the board. And so if you have a concert that you want promoted, then you can say, Hey, do you have a spot? And I say, I do, but only until these days or only for this month. Or not on this board, but we do on this board. I would be happy. [1:18:12, 1:18:30]: Happy to do that. You just just let us know. Um, and we did connect this afternoon for the first time. Um, so I appreciate that connection. So your staff is doing a fantastic job of making the connections. It's just making sure that we are connecting with the right people on the right projects. Um, because I do know that [1:18:30, 1:18:50]: um, you know, the amphitheaters handled separately than maybe the conference center or the main street. And so we are connected to all of those people trying to make sure that we're plugged into all the different aspects of the city because we know that it's so multifaceted. It's it's so many different aspects. So we would love to work with you to know what your concert series [1:18:50, 1:18:56]: what your priorities are, what the art is. We would love to promote those on our social channels as well. [1:18:56, 1:19:15]: um and also obviously on our billboards so and we appreciate working with uh Mr. Young too on making sure our welcome center can be at the property um because we we want to work with you. That's what we're here to do. Um and we want to make sure that you understand what we're doing and that you um feel comfortable with it. Um [1:19:16, 1:19:17]: But um [1:19:18, 1:19:29]: Whatever that looks like. I mean I'm here. I'm here. I'm always available. I'm always here. I can provide my cars, my email. Um, I know Miss Holliday has my my email as well, so [1:19:29, 1:19:32]: Yes, and and and as you say it. [1:19:32, 1:19:36]: You just said the key thing. You're waiting on those decisions to be made. [1:19:37, 1:19:38]: On our side. [1:19:39, 1:19:59]: To tell you what we need to do with those funds if we wanted to use those that advertisement outside of the city. You're waiting on us to tell you what we want to do with the seven boards that we have access to on the specific things that we want, if we want these things done. That's what I'm talking about. [1:19:59, 1:20:19]: I'm talking about we need to do what's necessary to get the information to you on our side so that we is there's no you're not unclear on what needs to be on what we want and that connection is made. That's what I'm talking about and that's what I'm asking Mr. Gardner [1:20:19, 1:20:39]: To do through the staff is to make sure that there aren't any ambiguities. They know exactly what we want to see and what uh we want to see coming forward. The one last question is on this graph that you have here, uh we were told that Stockbridge was contributing uh certainly a large amount. Is this just hotel or motel? [1:20:39, 1:20:51]: tax or what is this rhythm uh the only thing I'm concerned about is hotel motel taxes. Okay, so this graph represents the hotel motel tax correct that is coming from the various entities uh to you all. [1:20:52, 1:21:12]: Good. I'm looking at the hotels. I mean, how many hotels are in Locust Grove? I mean A lot. Maybe fifteen. Yeah. Okay. There's tons of hotels. In the city limits. In the city limits. They're all within half a mile from the interstate. Yeah. They're and they're they've built four in the last two years, maybe. [1:21:12, 1:21:25]: Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay. So our numbers should be certainly should be coming up with the annexation and Holiday Inn coming in and several others coming in as well. So those numbers should be. I mean with the holida yeah, the Holiday Inn's uh [1:21:26, 1:21:31]: It's a great property. Um at the Holiday Inn, you get the Holiday Inn, the microtel no, that one already is yours. [1:21:32, 1:21:36]: Uh, red roof and the travel lodge. I think you get three additional hotels coming in. [1:21:37, 1:21:57]: Right, right there in in that particular session. So those that that's certainly bump our numbers up. But I just wanted to so I certainly understand what Mr. Blount was saying, and that is it. Those seven boards, we want to use them because we should have access to them. We just need to get the information to you. And and I wanna be clear too. I know that I know that it's scripted and they're shared. [1:21:57, 1:22:01]: Yeah. But if we had leaned forward earlier, we would already be there now, right? [1:22:02, 1:22:08]: on the ones that aren't already spoken for because we have agreements, yeah. So thank you. Ms. Campway, please. [1:22:09, 1:22:29]: Okay, thank you, Mayor. Um before I ask my question, I wanted to um one commend the CVB board on what they do locally. I can attest to that personally, um, their reach out to small businesses. And before that, I was a little apprehensive about what exactly the CVV [1:22:29, 1:22:38]: VB board did. Um, but when you're hands-on and you have experience with seeing that, they offer a lot of trainings and they really, really try to promote. [1:22:39, 1:22:45]: all of the businesses that are within w within your city or that are part of the chamber [1:22:45, 1:22:47]: Um and they also [1:22:48, 1:22:50]: Um work really hard. [1:22:51, 1:23:11]: At trying to get the word out outside of Henry County about going to those places. So I do want to commend you for that. I did have a question in regards to the seven billboards: what's the process of getting on those boards? What is how can we become a priority? Or how do you go about picking and choosing? [1:23:11, 1:23:19]: choosing who gets to be on those boards? So we have um the seven and um they are [1:23:20, 1:23:40]: The first priority is we have visitors guide, um, the advertisers in our guide, and the advertisers get first pick, basically. It's part of their package. Um and they get, depending on whether they're two they have whether they have full page or half page, they get either two or one month, and then they get to go through and pick which board. [1:23:40, 1:23:44]: Um and then after that it's um there's a [1:23:44, 1:23:46]: A request form. [1:23:46, 1:24:05]: that that goes through and um you can select say I'd like you know this board in this month. And can you give me the amount of advertisers that you have? You estimate maybe an advertisers you guide? Um I think we have seventeen total advertisers, maybe fifteen total advertisers. Um not all of those are full or [1:24:06, 1:24:26]: Not full or half. So um yeah. And and when they have when uh so not all of them are full or half. There's about 17 and out of the seven billboards, are they all electronic and rotate? Yes. And we can run like so right now we don't have um partners running right now. We just have our um city building. [1:24:25, 1:24:30]: words running and those run we have all four of our arts that rotate through. [1:24:30, 1:24:40]: Okay. So the city's rotating through um as part of our our overall campaign. So although it's not the Isley Brothers or the concert series, Scott Bridge is still being promoted on a b on seven billboards. [1:24:40, 1:24:47]: So in regards to that, you had mentioned that we have money set aside that we could utilize for [1:24:47, 1:24:48]: Um a billboard. [1:24:49, 1:24:56]: What is that money set of but do you guys have that money or you guys send it over to Stockbridge or how does that work and [1:24:57, 1:25:03]: Is that money that what is that money allocated for? It is allocated to promote the city of Stockbridge in [1:25:04, 1:25:24]: the way that the city chooses. This is money that you can use to promote festivals. It has to be tourism specific. Um and it c but it can be used with your branding. So all the stuff that we do has our branding, but this money is set aside for your branding, your ads, whatever. Um and um because the one thing with [1:25:24, 1:25:30]: the city ads that we excuse me, the billboards that we do um when you use our set our our [1:25:30, 1:25:38]: When you use our seven billboards is you do have to allocate a fourth of the board with our logo. Um, if you use your ad, um [1:25:39, 1:25:45]: If you do the city the city funds, then they're completely yours. You can do it however you want, the whatever the art looks like. [1:25:46, 1:26:04]: Um in the past it's been used for Bridge Fest radio advertising or um holiday festival radio advertising. And that is you basically as a city contract with that entity, whatever that entity is that you want, and then we pay those invoices directly. By law we're not allowed to give you money back. [1:26:04, 1:26:19]: Um, but um that sends up all sorts of red flags for the Department of Affair or Department of Community Affairs. But basically y'all have the contracts, the rate the invoices come directly to us, we pay those invoices directly up to the amount that um [1:26:20, 1:26:40]: um that you have allocated. Okay. And so there there but there's a percentage of of hotel motel tax that comes directly to the city of Stockbridge, correct? Correct. So this is in addition to the correct. All right. And so uh can you uh uh well you just mentioned some of the things that we've spent money on before in the past. I know that we um [1:26:39, 1:26:59]: for a fact have. I remember food trucks in particular when I when I first started them. Um we reached out to CBB and used it for some of the billboards that we wanted directly. So I do I remember that but um I was just curious and I must shift gears a little [1:26:59, 1:27:19]: bit because I know we're all focused on the amphitheater, but there's so much more that Stockbridge could have to offer and can offer. And one of those things is um and I believe it's in your field uh the movie industry um and being on the registry has [1:27:19, 1:27:39]: Has that by chance been updated to at least present maybe the Stockbridge Amphitheater, some of our recruit trails, and some of the prettier shots, I mean some of some nice shots and locations here in Stockbridge? I haven't updated it recently, but we certainly can. You can update that that eventually [1:27:39, 1:27:55]: They've changed the system and I think that other people can update it now. You can add your own listings, those kinds of things now. Um, so it doesn't all fall to the camera ready liaison to do it. But um you can we can certainly do that. We can update those. Um and I get calls [1:27:56, 1:28:16]: Several a week for different places. So right now my my role is is largely a clearinghouse, trying to make sure that I'm getting to the right person. But um I do and I I get often get calls that say, I need X. Um and rarely is it the pretty stuff, actually. It's usually I need a dirt road or a house that's falling down. [1:28:16, 1:28:36]: down but um there is certainly I've I have gotten at least three calls about the amphitheater. Um so those we are getting calls we are directing them to the appropriate places um and that's that is what I do and what my job is because I'm not a permitting agency. Y'all are the permitting agency so it's trying to make sure that those interest [1:28:36, 1:28:43]: interested parties get to the interested people um and they can connect and but having the better photo desk definitely works. [1:28:43, 1:28:52]: Mm-hmm. Thank you. And any photos that anybody has, wants, updates, let me know. We can get that happened. Mr. Thomas, please go ahead. Thank you, Mayor. [1:28:53, 1:29:01]: Ms. Luca, thank you again. Uh, I was with you at the at the Murrmanners. Um, and I just want to come in counsel. [1:29:01, 1:29:04]: I I think this dialogue is good. [1:29:04, 1:29:12]: uh getting a better understanding, uh becoming a team, to work together. I I think all of this is good. [1:29:12, 1:29:13]: But [1:29:13, 1:29:17]: Where I wanna go with this and and as a uh city. [1:29:17, 1:29:25]: And I know um Mrs. Gantt mentioned some of the things, uh Councilman Alexander mentioned some things. [1:29:25, 1:29:27]: But I think we as a city [1:29:28, 1:29:30]: We have to give travelers. [1:29:31, 1:29:32]: A reason [1:29:33, 1:29:38]: to stop in Stockbridge. Folks traveling up and down our seventy five or what have you. [1:29:39, 1:29:41]: It's incumbent upon us. [1:29:41, 1:29:55]: to give them that reason. So we're talking tourism and I think we're headed in the right direction. I think we're doing some of those things, but I don't want to get too deep and and I appreciate [1:29:55, 1:30:07]: uh uh the concerns of the council and they are sharing those concerns with you and hopefully you are going to address some of those. But I think it still comes back to the city of Stockbridge. [1:30:08, 1:30:24]: offering, creating Stark Bridge as a designation where people want to come. If you're traveling, say if you coming up from Florida, you going to wherever, and you'll say, well, okay, let's stop over in Stark Bridge because [1:30:25, 1:30:34]: And we have to offer more than the amphitheater, you see. And so and I and and again I think we are headed in the right direction. [1:30:35, 1:30:38]: But I don't want us to get too bent off into [1:30:39, 1:30:48]: You know, what what you're doing, which I think is still valid. I think the concerns that are being raised, they are valid concerns, and hopefully you're going to address those. [1:30:48, 1:30:49]: But again. [1:30:50, 1:31:00]: We as a municipality and our staff, Economic Development, Main Street, uh, all of us, I think we have to give folks [1:31:01, 1:31:21]: A little bit more as to a reason why you want to come and spend a couple of nights in Stockbridge, more than the amphitheater. So I just wanted to just share that. And I think Council, you know, we're on board with that, but we just have to dig a little deeper and we have to produce a little bit more to create Stockbridge. [1:31:21, 1:31:35]: that place. So when folks leave home and whether they going north or south, hey, let's stop in Stockbridge because and and we got to give them that because so we have to market that. But if we don't have anything [1:31:35, 1:31:37]: Why should anybody want to stop? [1:31:38, 1:31:44]: And I'll say that your stock bridge fifteen second video, um, everybody I've ever showed it to says [1:31:44, 1:31:53]: It makes me want to go to Startbridge. You have things. You really do. And I think it's about packaging. Um and about packaging, um packaging, yes. Packaging it to the right people. [1:31:53, 1:32:03]: Yes, yes. Well, thank you again for coming. Uh Mayor Ford, I'm gonna yield and hopefully uh we can move on to the next adjustment. Any other comments from the council? [1:32:03, 1:32:23]: Thank you. If not, if not, thank you. Lord, appreciate the presentation. Thank you very much. Thank you all, Council. Okay. Okay, good deal. Now we'll move on to the Southern Crescent Technical College, that presentation. And what we have, uh Mr. Ingram, come forward, please. And with the uh Southern Crescent uh Technical College, we have Dr. Clark and Dr. Johns. [1:32:23, 1:32:33]: I know that um uh Harold is here for any things that may uh may have to deal with the amphitheater self, he's is in that aspect. And of course uh the talking about the actual [1:32:33, 1:32:53]: uh contract itself and I know that uh Mr. Washington has been involved with the attorneys from the Southern Crescent as well in reference to this particular event. Go ahead, Canyon, please. Um thank you, Mayor and Council. Uh on behalf of the event staff, we've been working with Southern Crescent since about last September. [1:32:53, 1:33:00]: uh in coordinating uh their graduation which is May ninth of this year. [1:33:00, 1:33:06]: We've gone back and forth with the attorneys, uh, finding a the contract itself. [1:33:07, 1:33:19]: uh we had to put that together during this process. And we finally got that together. Today we have a uh clean signed contract uh for your approval. [1:33:20, 1:33:33]: Could you explain in reference to the uh the nonprofit aspect and all the things that the the the uh the co colleges have to do in reference to the rental process? So do you understand that? Uh the [1:33:34, 1:33:43]: In the contract, it states that we are giving nonprofits twenty-five hundred dollar rental status. Uh and that [1:33:43, 1:33:47]: We did not have a standard operating procedure. [1:33:48, 1:34:08]: other than the twenty five hundred dollars, but there are several other things that come into play. Uh the the maintenance, the police, the uh security, all the parking, all aspects which have come to now$16,000, a little over north of$16,000. [1:34:08, 1:34:10]: [5651.1, 5654.3]: So when we st when they started looking at [1:34:14, 1:34:17]: twenty five hundred dollars, that's just for the shell. [1:34:17, 1:34:23]: And and so we've come to this place now and provided help them provide the the uh [1:34:24, 1:34:42]: uh vendors that they needed to secure this. And that's where we are at this point. And counselor in front of you you have you should have a document that indicates uh the all the services that they will be uh paying for to those vendors and those vendors uh are vendors that are very familiar with operation [1:34:43, 1:35:03]: Of the amphitheater because of the same vendors we use. There's no money coming from the city for this support of this. This is something that has been worked out with the staff and with the college and their leadership in reference to uh uh renting of the facility. And and I and I'm gonna go online and say the fact that I [1:35:03, 1:35:23]: I I can't recall the actual concerts, but if I understand right, both doctors that are here, Dr. Clark and Dr. Johns, attended a concert sometime last year and enjoyed themselves and said, Well won't this be a great uh great place to have a uh a commencement service?'Cause I think they've outgrown where they have been uh d having in the past. And it's [1:35:23, 1:35:43]: something that they're looking forward to, something I would think that hopefully we're looking forward to in reference to uh having a a a routine annual type of event. And if I understand correctly, uh they expect to have roughly 3,000 people to attend this particular event, this commencement service. And so it's it's it's a great thing. Stand by please of Mr. [1:35:42, 1:35:58]: Mr. uh Alexander caught my attention first, sir. Go ahead, sir. Yes, sir. Might we just hear from them real quick? Yep, that's fine. They're they're here. Before we do that, I I would like on page three folks to remove clause number K. A K. Eight K what's AK? It has nothing to do with us. [1:35:59, 1:35:59]: Thank you. [1:36:00, 1:36:02]: Eight K. What is it? [1:36:04, 1:36:06]: Eight K. That's all. [1:36:06, 1:36:08]: It's parking. [1:36:10, 1:36:11]: Yeah. [1:36:12, 1:36:13]: Yes, in the contract. [1:36:13, 1:36:16]: Eight case is parking at elementary school. Is that what you're talking about? Right. [1:36:16, 1:36:18]: We don't own the elementary school. [1:36:18, 1:36:38]: They have uh they have contacted the school themselves, the the the uh stock uh Henry County Board of Education uh for that. And I I agree, that's fine. Um that's what they're supposed to do, but we can't contract with put that in our contract agreement. It has nothing to do with us. No, you so asking for that to be removed. [1:36:39, 1:36:43]: Okay. Stand by one please. Uh mister Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. [1:36:44, 1:36:44]: Um [1:36:47, 1:37:06]: The amphitheater rental has been going on for a couple of years, but I I I just wanna say to Southern Crescent and and any other organization that really wanna rent the the amphitheater. [1:37:07, 1:37:15]: Going back some years when and I was on this council when we discussed uh building the amphitheater. [1:37:16, 1:37:18]: And the reason for building this amphitheater. [1:37:19, 1:37:20]: And we talked about [1:37:21, 1:37:23]: а ей фасиліті [1:37:24, 1:37:24]: that [1:37:25, 1:37:26]: Вот іпакт [1:37:27, 1:37:32]: the quality of life for our citizens as far as entertainment. [1:37:33, 1:37:36]: Also number two, we talked about [1:37:36, 1:37:37]: Heaven. [1:37:38, 1:37:39]: uh an economic [1:37:40, 1:37:44]: impact in our downtown. And and I'm saying this to say [1:37:45, 1:37:46]: Іновім [1:37:47, 1:37:50]: Southern Crescent and any organization. [1:37:50, 1:38:05]: that want to come and flood downtown. That's what we want. We want people in our downtown. So make no mistake that, you know, we're pushing back on anybody coming. That's what we want. [1:38:06, 1:38:07]: But [1:38:07, 1:38:21]: The issue that I have, and I've raised this issue for more than two years now, and I think any organization, whether it's the college, fraternities, sororities, churches, schools, even in your home. [1:38:22, 1:38:35]: There are rules and regulations, there are policies and procedures that has to be in place before you can roll this out. And and that's my sticking point with this. [1:38:36, 1:38:38]: Not only with Southern Crescent. [1:38:39, 1:38:56]: But with any organization, and and I think it's it's a failure on our part because we did not get it together. And and and I think we're still sorta going around, but I from what I'm hearing and what the mayor just read, I think we're there now. [1:38:57, 1:39:06]: But I just wanted to say this and and you know we we move to take the policy off the agenda because it is it's not ready. [1:39:07, 1:39:14]: But again, I just want everybody to understand, and I believe everyone does understand, that you have to have [1:39:14, 1:39:23]: policies and procedures in place in order to roll this out properly. Because what you do for one [1:39:24, 1:39:26]: You have to do for all. [1:39:26, 1:39:37]: And so it was so fragmented, so chaotic, and that's the problem that I have. And I don't see no reason why it should have been that way. [1:39:38, 1:39:45]: You know, we're wrong folks, we're educated folks, and so why couldn't and and look in Southern Crescent. [1:39:46, 1:39:54]: This is not y'all's fault, period. Any churches, anybody, it is not y'all's fault why this policy is not in place. [1:39:55, 1:39:56]: It it is on us. [1:39:57, 1:40:17]: And I just have a problem because we did not get it done. And now we're still trying to patch and mismatch and all of that when it just wasn't necessary for us to do. So I just want everyone to say that I'm not against anyone in coming downtown. The more the merit. [1:40:17, 1:40:32]: Mary and Casim Alexander, he is the preacher for this. He knows that we want people to come into downtown. We want to have shops and restaurants and in it, because we want folks to come in and hey, spend your money in downtown. That's what we want. [1:40:33, 1:40:34]: But again [1:40:35, 1:40:37]: It is our responsibility to [1:40:38, 1:40:45]: To put the policies and the procedures in place so we can do just that. [1:40:45, 1:40:49]: En and I'm just having a problem in understanding. [1:40:50, 1:40:51]: Why? [1:40:51, 1:40:53]: We haven't been able to do this because [1:40:54, 1:40:56]: We've been talking about this for two years now. [1:40:57, 1:41:00]: And it's still fragmented. [1:41:00, 1:41:12]: So I'm hoping and and I think that's why it was pulled off because we know it's not ready, but hopefully we can go forward and allow Southern Crescent to come in. [1:41:12, 1:41:16]: But I just want everyone to know that we are not against anyone. [1:41:17, 1:41:21]: and come and participate in and partner, that's what we want. [1:41:21, 1:41:35]: But we have to put some things in place, policies and procedures. I don't, you know, I know if you're a member of any organization, you have bylaws, you have policies, you have procedures. So y'all know exactly what I'm talking about. [1:41:35, 1:41:44]: But there are some things that just were not in place. And so over the last three, four, five days, some things have become clearer. [1:41:45, 1:41:46]: Clear roar. [1:41:46, 1:41:50]: And and I think we can go forward. But just understand that [1:41:52, 1:41:52]: Yeah, if [1:41:53, 1:42:03]: And I I'm just gonna say it it was our fault that we did not get together. So Southern Crescent, it has nothing to do with you as far as you you did something wrong. You did not. [1:42:04, 1:42:12]: You know, you came and you wanted to do this. And again, you know, the failure's on us. So I'm just saying council, staff. [1:42:13, 1:42:14]: Let's get it together. [1:42:15, 1:42:35]: Let's get it together so we can put we can roll out the welcome map to all of these organizations and churches and schools or what have you to come in and be a partner with us in our great city of Stockbridge. And that's mayor that's basically all I want to say. So let's let's just do a better job in doing it. All right, good deal. Thank you. [1:42:35, 1:42:38]: Johns, Dr. uh John's and Dr. Clark. Could you come forward please? [1:42:39, 1:42:40]: Uh yeah, go ahead, sir. [1:42:42, 1:42:44]: Mr. Ingram, real quick on the um [1:42:45, 1:43:00]: 'Cause I haven't had a chance to look it all over. Um the the amounts on the rentals, all of those different fees, uh even the one for for for profit, those are non concert fees, right? [1:43:00, 1:43:13]: Those are yes. All of those are non-construct fees. Those are yes, they're nonprofit fees. But they have to pay the regular price for any vendor for the services that they need to operate. [1:43:13, 1:43:16]: No, I I I I get that, but I just wanna make sure [1:43:16, 1:43:20]: That the the fee uh scale here that I have. [1:43:20, 1:43:27]: Yes, sir. It is a non profit profit. It is a non profit. And the uh commercial for profit event. All of these are non profit [1:43:28, 1:43:29]: Concert. [1:43:30, 1:43:35]: The the last one on that line is the ten thousand dollars is it is for profit. [1:43:36, 1:43:43]: But the twenty five hundred dollars. Yes. This is true. [1:43:44, 1:43:48]: competitive within our sales. I want to make sure none of these There's no dollars exchanged. [1:43:49, 1:44:01]: on this event. So that basic price for the non profit price is that. They're not looking to make any money, they're not charging people to come. That's not what it's I I get that I I me I'll sorry. Ms. Kenway, I get that. [1:44:03, 1:44:04]: Follow me. What I'm saying is [1:44:05, 1:44:09]: Let's go all the way down to the commercial slash for property vent. Yes, sir. [1:44:10, 1:44:15]: Can someone come with that amount and and do a concert at the at the amphitheater? [1:44:18, 1:44:20]: Uh for the for profit? Yeah. [1:44:21, 1:44:23]: Yes, sir. Then I'm not forward. [1:44:23, 1:44:28]: No what is that amount? I'm not sure. [1:44:29, 1:44:30]: Respectfully, no, sir. [1:44:30, 1:44:37]: That was a rule that you guys asked us to put in place so we do not rent the facility out to anyone who wants to have a concert. [1:44:37, 1:44:56]: In competition with the city. That was a rule put in last year. But where is that in the it's in the policy document that we adopted in June of last year. We amended it and then we came back and we wanted to make further amendments to it. It's in this document. Ms. Garner, what I'm saying is Let me clarify something. If if that's our policy. [1:44:58, 1:45:01]: With all due respect, I believe that you all know that's our policy. [1:45:02, 1:45:06]: I think that all literature all liter contractual literature that we put out, even this to us. [1:45:07, 1:45:12]: Everything should be clear that that none of these none of these. [1:45:12, 1:45:15]: Or for concert purposes. [1:45:15, 1:45:21]: None of these rentals. Okay. So under the policy that we adopted in June of last year. [1:45:22, 1:45:34]: You have education and a non profit. They pay a flat fee of twenty five hundred and then any associated cost as it relates to the use of the amphitheater, that's what adds up to the sixteen thousand that they're being charged. [1:45:34, 1:45:36]: So if they have to pay for parking, that's in there. [1:45:37, 1:45:39]: If they have to pay for for fire input that's in there. [1:45:40, 1:45:49]: They have to pay for garbage pickup, that's in there. For a janitorial service, that's in there. That's what adds up to the sixteen thousand dollars. Well let me say this, because when you buy cigarettes [1:45:49, 1:45:57]: No matter what brand or what kind, no matter how many runs it calls, they got the surgeon general got a n something down there saying, you know, it's called cancer. [1:45:58, 1:46:01]: How about every time we put something out about these fees? [1:46:01, 1:46:19]: That we put something in there, the caveat in it as for non com non construct purposes or whatever we need to put on everything that we put out when it comes to this. I just don't want any misunderstanding or any misinformation going out, if you if you wouldn't mind. So d in in the policy document, the amendment we made. [1:46:20, 1:46:21]: Under each section in here. [1:46:22, 1:46:32]: We put in there civic or educational events, concerts under this section shall only be allowed under partnership agreement approved by city council. [1:46:32, 1:46:42]: Under non-profit benefit events, we have the same language. Concert under this section shall only be allowed under a partnership agreement approved by city council. [1:46:43, 1:46:46]: Under commercial and for profit events. [1:46:46, 1:46:50]: I I sorry to interrupt, I'll just for for sake of time. [1:46:50, 1:46:55]: Would there be a problem with putting that on any of these? If it is, then we'll just deal with that. [1:46:55, 1:47:00]: Would there be a problem w if we do a contract with anybody, would there be a problem putting it on here? [1:47:01, 1:47:12]: That all if you're gonna if you're gonna list all the fees, then we gotta say what the purpose of for anybody that gets this. If somebody got this and looked at it, oh wow, pro for for profit. [1:47:13, 1:47:15]: I can do for profit for ten thousand dollars. [1:47:15, 1:47:16]: We know [1:47:18, 1:47:19]: But they but nobody else would know. [1:47:20, 1:47:22]: The same arguments he has. [1:47:23, 1:47:30]: Ma May c can I just clarify a second? Yeah, so go ahead, uh go ahead, Mr. Thomas. I and I I appreciate uh Councilman Blount's concern. [1:47:32, 1:47:34]: But again [1:47:34, 1:47:38]: The question went out about this rental policy. [1:47:39, 1:47:45]: And to my knowledge, I was the only one that responded and gave some suggestions. [1:47:45, 1:47:47]: Even at retreat. [1:47:47, 1:47:50]: Um we tried to get into this. [1:47:51, 1:47:53]: I don't want Southern Crescent. [1:47:54, 1:47:57]: To get caught up in in our shortcomings. [1:47:58, 1:48:00]: Um and I think this is why [1:48:00, 1:48:02]: We delayed [1:48:02, 1:48:03]: approved [1:48:03, 1:48:05]: the rental policy because [1:48:05, 1:48:07]: It's obvious now. [1:48:08, 1:48:10]: That it is not ready. [1:48:10, 1:48:12]: So, but how can we [1:48:13, 1:48:18]: In order for Southern Crescent to meet their May Ninth deadline. [1:48:18, 1:48:20]: How can we [1:48:21, 1:48:31]: fix it somewhat so they can go far which still a double edged sword because what you do for them [1:48:31, 1:48:41]: You may have to do it for others. And just let me say about the policy, um, uh Mr. Gardner. In that policy, it talks about [1:48:41, 1:48:43]: An agreement [1:48:43, 1:48:46]: Between the applicant [1:48:46, 1:48:48]: And the city council. [1:48:50, 1:48:51]: That did not happen. [1:48:54, 1:48:55]: Right. [1:48:55, 1:48:56]: It didn't happen. [1:48:57, 1:49:17]: So uh respond and I'm I'm gonna respond to whatever you getting ready to say now. Respectfully, sir. The the contract is what you have before you that's what council approves. So whenever we get no no hold on one second I wasn't finished. He he wanted to Okay let me just make this come in, then I'm gonna yield back to Councilman Bull. [1:49:17, 1:49:20]: Let me just say this again I'm gonna respond. I'm gonna let [1:49:20, 1:49:29]: Mayor Ford. I'd like to be acknowledged after Councilman Thomas, please. Well I'm gonna yield back to to Councilman Blanc, but Mr. Garner. Yes, sir. [1:49:30, 1:49:31]: An agreement. [1:49:33, 1:49:35]: An agreement between [1:49:36, 1:49:37]: Southern Crescent. [1:49:38, 1:49:39]: And the city council. [1:49:40, 1:49:44]: It did not happen. There was where was the discussion between [1:49:45, 1:49:47]: So then Crescent. [1:49:48, 1:49:51]: and the city council. So where was that discussion for us? [1:49:52, 1:50:04]: understanding and approving and agreement. But but I'm I'm gonna yield back, but I'm just saying I'm just trying to show Can I answer the priest? Yeah, hold on one second. But I'm just trying to show [1:50:04, 1:50:07]: that this rental policy [1:50:08, 1:50:09]: Has some flaws in it. [1:50:10, 1:50:20]: And we just have to sort of get it together. But I'm I'm still trying to figure out how can we allow Southern Crescent to go forward, even though [1:50:21, 1:50:35]: This policy is not ready. But let me just yield back to to to Councilman Blount because he did have the floor. Well he did floor. But go ahead and answer your the qu uh Mr Thomas' question, Mr. Gardner, please. So so Councilman Book. [1:50:35, 1:50:55]: When an entity comes, you hire us to do to work with that entity to bring them to this point where there is a contract for this council to approve. Right? That's why you have these people here. And and the goal behind that is so that you don't have the wrangling over contractees points in in a city council meeting where [1:50:55, 1:51:03]: With with a with a with a potential person who wants to rent it, as long as they meet. As as it relates to the con to the to the policy. [1:51:03, 1:51:04]: Right. [1:51:05, 1:51:17]: We adopted the policy. We did not scrap the policy. We say we would amend it as we were moving forward, which we did in reference to some of the comments related to outside entities renting. So there is a provision in here that literally says [1:51:18, 1:51:18]: Good. [1:51:19, 1:51:28]: open to the public under commercial and for profit, open to the public where the primary use is for is making a profit. However, [1:51:28, 1:51:41]: No commercial or for profit concert shall be allowed at the amphitheater. That was one of the chief concerns that we're not competing with ourselves. So we did away with that to allow make sure that no one could come in here and have a concert. [1:51:41, 1:51:59]: in lieu of a concert that we're having. So we put that provision in there. So the key is as you have a and like with any zoning ordinance, you don't scrap the whole ordinance and then say we're gonna just amend it and leave nothing in place. You have something in place and you amend it as you go so you could get it to where you want it to be. [1:51:59, 1:52:01]: Right? We don't just take the ordinance and say it's done. [1:52:02, 1:52:03]: There's no more zooning. [1:52:03, 1:52:10]: So therefore we don't use it. So the best guide that we have is the guide that we but that we have in place. [1:52:10, 1:52:22]: Taking into account that there are some language that council wants to see change, most of those changes that we saw are not substantive changes to the actual policy. They're like change event manager to contractor. [1:52:23, 1:52:27]: Right? It wasn't anything substantive that says this is what we want to see change. [1:52:28, 1:52:34]: Correct me if I'm wrong, Council, because that's what I'm saying. Let's finish my piece. Just give me a second. I'm gonna finish my piece and y'all through with me. [1:52:35, 1:52:55]: Point of order. Point of order. What's your point of order, sir? Germain is it germane to the topic? We've they've been waiting for quite a period of time. Right. There this is not germane to approving their particular agreement. We we we this is the issue with people dealing with us. [1:52:55, 1:53:15]: We need to nip this in the bud in this conversation and vote because they've been waiting, they're patient. We know that this is a legitimate or a function that should be at the amphitheater that will bring 3,000 people downtown. Stop with the grinding and micromanaging. [1:53:14, 1:53:16]: Yeah. [1:53:16, 1:53:20]: All right. Stand by. [1:53:21, 1:53:33]: You'll get your opportunity. Mr. Washington, you got something you need to say, sir. Yeah, I'm I was gonna say part of where the confusion comes in about this is that, and this is a whole bunch of detail, but I'm gonna be brief. [1:53:34, 1:53:37]: We have a contract which is our standard contract. [1:53:37, 1:53:57]: Southern Crescent, because they are a state agency, they have a separate contract that they have to send out for signatures on when they're doing stuff because they're a state agency. So we have our policies and procedures that we sent them, and then the drafting going back and forth, they finally sent us their contract, and we, you know, Mr. Ingram. [1:53:57, 1:54:17]: And everybody, we've been on the line about this a whole bunch. So the rental policies and all the stuff that we have in place is our standard contract. What they did was they lifted language from our standard contract and put it in there. But because we know that this wanted to, we wanted to fast-track this because you all have been asking about this, this is [1:54:17, 1:54:37]: The information they lifted to put in here. So the prices that you see in there for the 2500 and 7500 and all that stuff is simply something that we can just black out, right? We can just simply black that out. That does not have to apply. And when you look at the top of the contract, it specifically says that this is just a contract between us and [1:54:37, 1:54:57]: Southern Crescent Technical, because this is the form that they send over. This is not our standard contract. This is just the contract that Southern Crescent sent to us. We got the contract at roughly 2:30 today as a clean contract. We want to try to get it before you as soon as possible. And so what will happen is the final contract, and this is one that the president did sign off on saying. [1:54:57, 1:55:08]: saying that they are fine with the language that's in this contract is that the final contract before we ask for the mayor to sign off on it, we can make the minor edits to it, which would be to take those numbers off. [1:55:09, 1:55:11]: Thank you, Mr Washington. Mr Blood, go ahead, please. [1:55:11, 1:55:12]: Thank you. [1:55:13, 1:55:16]: If you remove the other amounts [1:55:16, 1:55:22]: I'm fine with that. Everything in this contract, and let me make something clear. We had a retreat. [1:55:23, 1:55:25]: This is not new to me. [1:55:25, 1:55:25]: Yeah. [1:55:26, 1:55:28]: Everything in here we discussed. [1:55:29, 1:55:36]: Everything in here. I was clear. I'm okay with this contract. I'm okay with Southern Crescent. Only concern I asked. [1:55:37, 1:55:42]: was that if we're gonna put the amount on there that we put that writing in there. [1:55:43, 1:55:45]: Nobody up on this council. [1:55:47, 1:55:48]: Put me in office. [1:55:49, 1:55:50]: The citizens did. [1:55:51, 1:56:02]: And if we have to stay here to twelve midnight so I can make sure the citizens business is is correct in the way that I'm the voice for, that's what I'm gonna do. You gaming resolution. [1:56:03, 1:56:05]: To situation, and I'm fine with that. [1:56:06, 1:56:08]: I'm fine with you all. Have an event. [1:56:09, 1:56:29]: I just had concerns about those extra amounts in there that didn't even pertain to them. No, I that's why I wanted to explain it. This is just document drafting back and forth. They lifted it, put it in their contract because we've been going back and forth for this for several months as the mayor can attest to. They finally sent over their form contract to us, and they sent it over to us, and it had some edits. [1:56:29, 1:56:47]: and stuff in it. So we didn't get a clean contract today until roughly two weeks. So can contractually in the future if we would just put that amount that pertains to whichever one would be fine with that. I'm fine with that, yes. That that we'll totally do that now. So before before you sign it, Mr. Mayor, we'll have edited it though. Yes sir I understand. Ms. Barber go ahead please [1:56:48, 1:56:49]: Thank you, Mayor Ford. [1:56:50, 1:56:51]: Okay, so I have [1:56:52, 1:56:53]: Three questions. [1:56:54, 1:56:55]: Mr. Gardner. [1:56:55, 1:56:57]: During the retreat [1:56:57, 1:57:01]: Was this contract for Southern Crescent provided to the council? [1:57:01, 1:57:03]: For review or discussion. [1:57:03, 1:57:05]: No ma'am, there was there was really not a content at the time. [1:57:06, 1:57:07]: My next question. [1:57:08, 1:57:10]: The amphitheater policy, I know that that was [1:57:11, 1:57:15]: A topic of discussion during the retreat um and some changes. [1:57:15, 1:57:17]: That you are gonna make. Yes, ma'am. [1:57:17, 1:57:22]: I am perfectly fine with Southern Crescent holding their graduation ceremony here. [1:57:23, 1:57:24]: My concern is [1:57:25, 1:57:26]: The contract. [1:57:27, 1:57:33]: I don't know when anybody else received a copy of this contract. I mean members of the governing body. [1:57:34, 1:57:35]: I didn't receive it. [1:57:36, 1:57:38]: Until I sat down here today. [1:57:40, 1:57:41]: And I have the copy. [1:57:43, 1:57:44]: I haven't read anything. [1:57:45, 1:57:49]: So you're asking this council to approve a contract. [1:57:49, 1:57:51]: That none of us have read. [1:57:53, 1:57:53]: The mayor. [1:57:54, 1:57:55]: He did call me yesterday. [1:57:56, 1:57:58]: To make me aware that this item [1:57:58, 1:58:00]: was going to be added to our agenda today. [1:58:01, 1:58:02]: For discussion. [1:58:02, 1:58:05]: I asked for a copy of the contract. [1:58:05, 1:58:06]: To be sick. [1:58:07, 1:58:08]: Today. [1:58:08, 1:58:12]: I followed up with him again today asking, hey. [1:58:12, 1:58:14]: Are they gonna send us a copy of the contract? [1:58:15, 1:58:17]: Because I don't want to be here. [1:58:17, 1:58:19]: Discussing this contract. [1:58:19, 1:58:20]: And I haven't read it. [1:58:21, 1:58:22]: None of us have. [1:58:23, 1:58:26]: What I'm what concerns me is the inconsistency. [1:58:27, 1:58:32]: inconsistency in our processes and not only that, the pricing. [1:58:33, 1:58:34]: I don't know if [1:58:34, 1:58:39]: These pricing that are listed on this document here. [1:58:39, 1:58:40]: I guess these are [1:58:41, 1:58:42]: um cost at [1:58:42, 1:58:43]: Small being [1:58:43, 1:58:44]: Okay. [1:58:44, 1:58:45]: Electrical. [1:58:46, 1:58:46]: Cost. [1:58:47, 1:58:50]: Three hundred and fifty dollars three hundred and fifty dollars. [1:58:50, 1:58:51]: Sound. [1:58:51, 1:58:54]: Six thousand four hundred forty five dollars. [1:58:54, 1:58:55]: Janitorial. [1:58:55, 1:58:57]: Nineteen twenty five. [1:58:57, 1:58:59]: Parking attendance. [1:58:59, 1:59:00]: Two thousand dollars. [1:59:01, 1:59:03]: We didn't have parking attendance. [1:59:03, 1:59:05]: Even when we hosted our [1:59:05, 1:59:08]: First series of concerts last year. [1:59:08, 1:59:09]: Well we [1:59:09, 1:59:11]: Put that on them. [1:59:11, 1:59:14]: Those are the kinds of things that concern me. [1:59:14, 1:59:16]: If we do this now. [1:59:16, 1:59:19]: will be have to will have to be consistent. [1:59:20, 1:59:22]: Від all rental contracts that come to us. [1:59:23, 1:59:24]: Using the same [1:59:24, 1:59:25]: Pricing. [1:59:26, 1:59:28]: I don't know where these pricing [1:59:28, 1:59:29]: Came from [1:59:30, 1:59:31]: Uh [1:59:31, 1:59:34]: Were you involved in the negotiations? [1:59:34, 1:59:36]: Of this contract, Mr. Gardner. [1:59:37, 1:59:45]: You are not? No ma'am. The the pricing as specifically as it relates to parking, so last year no, we did not, but this year we do. [1:59:46, 1:59:54]: Under the new un under the new under the new management of the amphitheater leadership. That's something that we implemented this year. [1:59:54, 2:00:11]: Right, uh in terms of having a park having a private parking company to come in and manage the parking. Um as it relates to to the document, the the breakdown of of the fees are associated with what we've put in the policy document. [2:00:11, 2:00:12]: Um and [2:00:13, 2:00:19]: Jamie to how long they're going to be utilizing the facilities. So your typical concert lasts for four hours. [2:00:19, 2:00:28]: Right. They start we usually start up at five or six and we go till about ten o'clock at night. Um the the graduation is not gonna be four hours, I don't think. [2:00:28, 2:00:48]: Um and so, you know, you then have to look at how you prorate the fees that related to the to the use of the amphitheater. But everything that we've done is part of what we have as in the existing policy as we move forward with amending it. Um the the data that we got we got from from other communities [2:00:48, 2:00:50]: They have a amphitheater. [2:00:50, 2:00:53]: Um one of them being the city of Woodstock. [2:00:53, 2:00:57]: А мін дес was so Jumane to ours, that's why we looked at theirs. [2:00:58, 2:00:59]: Right. Um [2:01:01, 2:01:13]: But we we've done everything and the reason why, you know, preferably I wanted to bring this at the end because it had to go through their process. Lawyers going back and forth was the reason why it took so long. [2:01:14, 2:01:21]: Because it wasn't just our attorneys reviewing it, it was their attorneys reviewing it, getting feedback and going back and forth over the last couple of months. [2:01:21, 2:01:23]: If we had it our way, this would have been [2:01:23, 2:01:25]: to you guys in January. [2:01:26, 2:01:34]: But it wasn't because when we sent it to them as the city attorney state, they and they could attest they were back and forth between their legal counsel and our legal counsel. [2:01:35, 2:01:37]: Right, that took a lot of time. [2:01:37, 2:01:47]: So it wasn't that and I would have preferred to bring this with enough time on the twenty eighth, but the twenty eighth of this month would've left them with a week and a half to graduation and if it's denied, they don't have a venue. [2:01:49, 2:01:50]: I that was my suggestion. [2:01:51, 2:01:57]: Because I understand this was gonna be a question that came from you guys, right? And to stay consistent. [2:01:57, 2:02:04]: But sometimes you have to adapt and make changes. You can't run through the wall. You gotta go around it sometimes or go under it or go over it. [2:02:05, 2:02:10]: Right. So this was a situation that we didn't inherit. It wasn't of our making per se. [2:02:10, 2:02:26]: It was just uh let them tell the story. It was just them g us going back and forth with the changes as to what they wanted to see, what we needed to see, what they needed to have. That's what ate up almost two months of this time. Mr Gardner, my concern is I wanna be fair. [2:02:27, 2:02:32]: I wanna be fair to Southern Crescent. I see a five hundred dollar cost on here. [2:02:32, 2:02:34]: For parking lot rental rental. [2:02:35, 2:02:36]: Are we being fair? [2:02:36, 2:02:38]: Is that necessary? [2:02:38, 2:02:40]: I don't think it's necessary. Yes, ma'am. [2:02:40, 2:02:43]: It's those kinds of things that concern me. [2:02:43, 2:02:49]: Yes, ma'am. Um I am for the record, Madam Clerk, I am gonna be abstaining from this. [2:02:50, 2:03:01]: only because I have not read the terms of the contract um and I have made it a point for three years asking that contracts [2:03:01, 2:03:03]: be provided to the council [2:03:03, 2:03:04]: Beforehand, the [2:03:04, 2:03:06]: So that we can review it. [2:03:06, 2:03:07]: And [2:03:07, 2:03:08]: Bye. [2:03:08, 2:03:10]: Providing it to me. [2:03:10, 2:03:11]: А те старт у мітин. [2:03:12, 2:03:13]: It's just not [2:03:14, 2:03:15]: Sufficient enough for me. [2:03:15, 2:03:19]: That's all. All right. Thank you. Ms Mr. Thomas, please, sir. [2:03:19, 2:03:21]: Um thank you, Mayor. [2:03:22, 2:03:25]: A couple things. Um again. [2:03:25, 2:03:27]: I'm in favor of Southern Christian. [2:03:27, 2:03:34]: But I'm going to disagree with Councilman Alexander. No no one is is is micromanaging. [2:03:34, 2:03:36]: As I stated before [2:03:36, 2:03:39]: You have to have policies and procedures in place. [2:03:39, 2:03:52]: That's what we are attempting to do. You cannot do anything unless you have policies and procedures, means of how you get the business done. That's what we're preaching about today. [2:03:53, 2:04:01]: Mayor Pro Tem Barber is correct about this contract. That's the reason I asked the question. Even in the first document, it says. [2:04:02, 2:04:15]: An agreement between the applicant and the city council. It didn't say the city manager, it didn't say the city clerk, it didn't say the event staff, it says the applicant. [2:04:15, 2:04:17]: And the city council. [2:04:18, 2:04:19]: But again [2:04:20, 2:04:23]: And I don't wanna continue to throw blame [2:04:23, 2:04:28]: But this policy should have been done with. [2:04:28, 2:04:38]: We would not be going through any of this talking about a five dollar park and this and that. We have to be fair to everyone. If you had a policy in place. [2:04:39, 2:04:48]: That policy would oversee any and everyone that wanted to rent the amphitheater. That's what a policy and procedure does. [2:04:50, 2:04:58]: That's what it does. Until we understand that, we're gonna be still chaos and confusion, like we are right here, right now. [2:04:58, 2:05:01]: We did not see this contract at the retreat. [2:05:02, 2:05:08]: So I'm saying and I don't want to throw no blame at anyone, but Southern Crescent, this is not your fault. [2:05:09, 2:05:09]: So [2:05:10, 2:05:14]: I'm I'm just giving the fact the truth and the facts. [2:05:15, 2:05:32]: That's what I try to be about, the truth and the facts. And until we get this policy corrected where it pertains to any and everyone that wants to come, whether you're a nonprofit, whether you're commercial for profit, whatever the category is, the policy would lend itself to that. [2:05:33, 2:05:36]: And this is what we supposed to this should have been done. [2:05:37, 2:05:50]: Mayor. And now Southern Crescent is it's you know gett getting a shortfall because we didn't do our due diligence. I yield back, Mayor. Thank you. Thank you thank you. Appreciate a motion. Ms. Ms. Gantt, please. Mayor. Thank you. [2:05:51, 2:05:53]: Um first before I start. [2:05:55, 2:05:57]: Um this is t to Mr. Gardner. [2:05:58, 2:06:00]: The policy we voted on a policy already. [2:06:01, 2:06:10]: The meat and potatoes of the policy, the dollar amount. Is that not correct? We've already voted on those numbers, correct? Those numbers were part of the policy document, yes. And we did we adopt that policy? [2:06:11, 2:06:13]: You adopted the policy in June of last year. [2:06:13, 2:06:16]: Twenty twenty two. Okay. [2:06:16, 2:06:20]: So tell me, we were talking about amending it, but it was only for [2:06:21, 2:06:31]: minor terms, correct? Like agent slash, was it what were we amending? We were only amending certain names specific, not not the meat and potatoes. [2:06:32, 2:06:32]: But [2:06:33, 2:06:39]: Just terms. Is that not correct? So the comments that we got back were mostly germane to [2:06:40, 2:07:00]: Removing events manager and pla replacing it with contractor consultant, I think it was. So removing events manager and replacing it with what? Contractor con consultant consultant. That was the majority of that was the majority of the references. Okay. Um there were some other ones in there. I can't remember off the head'cause I don't have the notes if I [2:07:00, 2:07:15]: But it was not but dealing with the numbers and what we had already defined as nonprofit educational expenses. Is that correct? Right. There was one one area that I remember specifically I think that we wanted to add um [2:07:16, 2:07:18]: in there as it relates to [2:07:19, 2:07:39]: Um I know it was civic, educational, and then there was one other language we wanted to add to that to that to cover. He he pointed out. I just wanted to respond to something but I'll wait. What what was it? What area were we gonna add? So Because it wa it was non profits, civic was it like Yes. So [2:07:38, 2:07:42]: Under l under the current language we had there was civic, educational [2:07:43, 2:07:59]: non profit benefits, private, commercial no and for profit events. Okay. There was one one other type of entity I think that we were going to amend and I think it had to deal with civic changing the language and that civic or educational art in some another [2:07:59, 2:08:19]: type of entity. I don't have my notes in front of me, but I know that's that's what would came out of the the retreat in terms of demending that portion of it. Okay. So just adding maybe another category. But not necessarily it doesn't mess up it doesn't change anything with non profits. Is that not correct? In education I mean they they would still be the same under the same category. And there was also some discussion regarding [2:08:19, 2:08:32]: the fees and should we increase certain fees, but there was never I don't think there was a consensus in Madame City Clerk. You could remind me of if if I'm not sure if you're not a good thing. But currently the adopted policy that we have in place right now, today. [2:08:32, 2:08:44]: fits this contract agreement, correct? And this contract agreement reads between Southern Crescent Technical College and the City of Stockbridge. Is that correct? [2:08:45, 2:08:52]: That's on the first page. Yeah, I don't have it. I'm at the top. But my recommendation is well I'm I'm looking at page one. [2:08:54, 2:08:55]: This rental agreement [2:08:56, 2:09:00]: is made and enter into this tenth day of April. [2:09:00, 2:09:01]: Comma. [2:09:01, 2:09:07]: twenty twenty three, buy in between Southern Crescent Technol Technical College [2:09:08, 2:09:10]: Parentheses here and after renter. [2:09:11, 2:09:15]: And the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, here and after City. Is that not correct? [2:09:15, 2:09:20]: I would say yes. Okay. Everybody see that on page one at the top. All right, I wanna make sure. No. [2:09:21, 2:09:28]: On the page one, no one has gotten a copy of do you have a copy of this amphitheater rental part? It's the rental agreement. [2:09:28, 2:09:33]: Okay. Are you talking about Southern Crescents? [2:09:33, 2:09:42]: No, I'm I'm looking at the rental agreement by between Southern Crescent Technical College and the City of Stockbridge. All right. So one one question. I'm I'm not finished. [2:09:43, 2:09:44]: Um [2:09:45, 2:09:48]: The twenty five on page three. [2:09:49, 2:09:50]: Of this agreement. [2:09:52, 2:10:00]: We've already s asked that the other information that was copied and paste basically list of the other prop other uh [2:10:01, 2:10:05]: Events such as private events and commercial for profit events. [2:10:05, 2:10:10]: t be taken out, removed, so there would not prevent any confusion there. [2:10:11, 2:10:13]: A policy already has in place that [2:10:13, 2:10:14]: Other [2:10:15, 2:10:16]: Anyone else who rents our [2:10:16, 2:10:19]: Amphitheater cannot have concerts. [2:10:19, 2:10:20]: At the facility. [2:10:21, 2:10:25]: So that's something totally different. That's an a policy that we've already adopted and voted on. [2:10:26, 2:10:28]: And I asked that we remove [2:10:28, 2:10:29]: On clause eight. [2:10:30, 2:10:31]: Okay. [2:10:31, 2:10:38]: parking at elementary school that we remove that because that has nothing to do with the city of stop city of I can't we cannot contract. [2:10:39, 2:10:40]: With that. Understanding? [2:10:41, 2:10:44]: All right. In in regards to everything else [2:10:45, 2:10:47]: My only other questions are one. [2:10:48, 2:11:07]: What is the clause due to force of nature in regards to rain? What is the the w what are we going what's gonna happen at that point? Has that been discussed at all? I don't see it in this agreement. So I need to know I don't see that clause in here. I'm sorry, I'm a lawyer. [2:11:08, 2:11:10]: So I'm asking. [2:11:11, 2:11:15]: Where is that? And I need to know whether or not that clause [2:11:16, 2:11:26]: And what would be the plan B? Because it says that once you rent, it's non refundable. So let me know where where we are with that. I want to answer to that one. And I also want [2:11:27, 2:11:28]: To know [2:11:29, 2:11:29]: Um [2:11:30, 2:11:44]: I don't have any objections, none whatsoever. I think this is great. I think this is what we want. We want graduations at our amphitheater. We want the community and we're very proud and I would love to always support Southern Crescent. I want you to know that. [2:11:45, 2:11:48]: Um I will vote in favor of this. [2:11:48, 2:12:04]: Once we get all our uh once you can tell me the answer to in regards to the rain clause or whatever happens clause, the force of nature clause. And also I need to see the I saw a clause in here about damages, but those damages [2:12:04, 2:12:06]: The clause did not [2:12:06, 2:12:07]: One second? [2:12:08, 2:12:13]: Page four cla um section twelve says damage to personal property. [2:12:14, 2:12:29]: To the extent permitted by Georgia Law, the city is not liable for the loss or damage of any goods, equipment, or personal items stored on or used at or around the facility premises. But what about the damages to our premises? What's the repercussion of that? Where's that clause? [2:12:30, 2:12:32]: Those two items I need. [2:12:34, 2:12:35]: Seems possible. [2:12:36, 2:12:37]: Other than that. [2:12:38, 2:12:41]: I one hundred percent support Southern Crescent. [2:12:42, 2:12:44]: being a part of our um [2:12:45, 2:13:05]: uh participating here, I I'm I want to apologize. I'm sorry you have to go through this scrutiny of debates. Um it's not your fault. It's I believe that everybody on this on this council, based off of what I've heard, supports the fact that graduation would be held here. We will love it here. I just want to make sure that our claw and I [2:13:04, 2:13:11]: I would vote for it today as so long as those clauses are in there to protect the city. That's our job. [2:13:12, 2:13:14]: Okay. Mr. Thomas, sir. [2:13:15, 2:13:20]: I I'm gonna agree, as I stated before, uh I I'm in favor of Southern Crescent. [2:13:20, 2:13:20]: But [2:13:21, 2:13:36]: My message is to the staff, Southern Christmas, not to the staff, and and and and and I'm gonna continue to say this. Now, in that agreement, in that rental policy that we approve, that we keep referencing to. [2:13:36, 2:13:38]: It says [2:13:40, 2:13:43]: Agreement between the applicant [2:13:43, 2:13:53]: and the city council. Now we understand that some of us understand when you see the city of Stockbridge, that's that's the same as the city council. [2:13:53, 2:13:54]: Number one. [2:13:56, 2:14:00]: But the contract itself and council woman barber is correct. [2:14:01, 2:14:14]: This is what we have to stop doing, staff, is giving us something at the last minute. We just had a retreat. We should have had this contract at at the retreat so we could [2:14:14, 2:14:18]: This should have been on we we should have been on on on agenda item twelve by now. [2:14:19, 2:14:20]: Because [2:14:20, 2:14:23]: It's a failure of of a process. [2:14:24, 2:14:26]: Point of order. What's the point of order, sir? [2:14:26, 2:14:29]: Point of order, if we have any [2:14:30, 2:14:35]: ours or anything with staff itself as a council [2:14:35, 2:14:38]: Those things are addressed behind closed doors. Correct. [2:14:38, 2:14:45]: Well I I and I agree with that. [2:14:45, 2:14:50]: Because what we're gonna do is take the staff out to the barn and spank'em, then that's a do totally different ki uh um [2:14:51, 2:14:52]: That's a totally different meeting. Okay. [2:14:53, 2:14:54]: Are we gonna prove this or not right now? [2:14:55, 2:14:56]: May I for may I f finish. [2:14:57, 2:15:01]: Okay. I I'm gonna agree with that as far as the staff [2:15:02, 2:15:03]: But [2:15:04, 2:15:08]: When we try to deal with these things proactively. [2:15:09, 2:15:13]: And then if it don't happen, then it leaves us no course but but to do just that. [2:15:13, 2:15:17]: But again, I'm in favor. I will vote in favor of this. [2:15:17, 2:15:18]: But [2:15:18, 2:15:20]: I get tired of [2:15:20, 2:15:40]: Coming here on the dais and going through the same thing every day. And especially when we start talking about contract. Councilwoman Barber is correct about contract. And we have said this over and over and over. Give us contract in a timely manner so we can review and we can make an intelligent and a comprehensive decision. So I [2:15:40, 2:15:51]: I just wanna say that yeah, I I I'm more apologize for um tasked and counsel, but I mean uh staff, but when you don't give us a choice. [2:15:51, 2:15:59]: d this is sort of where we are. So but going forward, um, may I'm gonna yield back and hopefully um [2:16:00, 2:16:20]: Whatever the contract says and whatever the agreements are. I got it. You know, we we can sort of just go forward. And I guess any b any any other organization that come in behind this, how how do we treat them? Right. What what I'm look what I'm looking for now is a is a motion with the put particular things that we we want to see a change. [2:16:19, 2:16:39]: I guess a couple different things that were identified that need to be changed to and and uh provided that we may have we document those particular changes properly for the clerk and for understanding and have a motion to go ahead and approve this particular contract. So in that case, um uh Mr. Gardner and Mr. Um [2:16:39, 2:16:51]: Uh Washington. Could you come back to the podium first, uh please, before we go down this road? I want you all present. I got it. Okay. I got it. [2:17:00, 2:17:07]: Right. Is this is this on you now, Ms. Gat? Yes. I'll go right ahead, please. Mayor, I move that we approve the rental. [2:17:07, 2:17:10]: Between Southern Crescent and the city of Stockbridge. [2:17:11, 2:17:12]: With conditions [2:17:12, 2:17:14]: Changes in the contract agreement to read. [2:17:15, 2:17:16]: R on page three. [2:17:17, 2:17:17]: Remove [2:17:18, 2:17:20]: Under klas six. [2:17:21, 2:17:35]: Fees, remove private events at seven thousand five hundred dollars, and commercial slash for profit events of ten thousand dollars. Specifically just state what we are renting for, which is this nonprofit educational event. [2:17:35, 2:17:46]: Or educational event. Civic I'm sorry, civic and educational event. Second. I also wait, then I'm not done. I also asked on clause eight that we remove [2:17:47, 2:17:52]: Class A item K, which reads parking at elementary school on page three. [2:17:52, 2:17:56]: We also need to add into the contract agreement [2:17:58, 2:17:58]: Um [2:18:00, 2:18:11]: There's in our policy we voted for number six, which is security slash damage deposits, and we talk about damages. If anything happened to the amphitheater, that needs to be placed into the agreement. [2:18:12, 2:18:13]: Along with [2:18:13, 2:18:14]: Um [2:18:14, 2:18:16]: The mentioning of [2:18:16, 2:18:19]: you know, the rain or rain out or whatever the case may be. [2:18:20, 2:18:30]: Um having said that, I ask that we move to approve this with those conditions. Second. Okay. Motion is made and seconded. We have plenty of discussion. So all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:18:30, 2:18:38]: The the the procedures discussion, one of the things I wanna say, Mayor, is that this concern came up about [2:18:38, 2:18:55]: About the rain date and is there an alternative date? All this came up and I've yet to hear anything about that either. Well t well it what the staff's gonna work out. So all in favor of the motion please indicate once again. All right. [2:18:55, 2:19:00]: I'd like to add a comment for my extension. [2:19:00, 2:19:02]: Madam Clerk, for the record. [2:19:03, 2:19:04]: The full council. [2:19:05, 2:19:08]: Was not provided a copy of the contract. [2:19:08, 2:19:10]: Prior to the start. [2:19:10, 2:19:11]: of tonight's meeting. [2:19:12, 2:19:13]: I will abstain. [2:19:14, 2:19:16]: For that reason. Thank you. [2:19:16, 2:19:19]: Okay, z four zero one motion passed. [2:19:19, 2:19:39]: Dr. Clark and Dr. Johns, congratulations. We look for a long, long relationship with your college, and I know it's gonna be an outstanding event. I look forward to that and look forward to having a good time and watching everybody come across the stage, get the diplomas, families, grandparents, children, enjoy themselves. [2:19:39, 2:19:52]: Your staff have done a wonderful job. And by the way, before you go, y I don't know if there's anything you want to say. You can do it now, sir, or ma'am, if you'd like. It's up to you. But but thank you for being so patient and working with us. [2:19:52, 2:19:53]: Thank you all so much. [2:19:56, 2:20:16]: I'll just say um good afternoon, good evening, council. Thank you, Mayor Ford. Thank you, all of you, for your support. Uh Southern Crescent Technical College, which is one of 22 technical colleges here in the state of Georgia. We are proud to be able to serve not only Henry County but Stockbridge, be able to host our graduation here this year. Uh approximately 2,500 in [2:20:16, 2:20:36]: Individuals, over 400 graduates will be on site to celebrate as they earn their associates' degrees, their diplomas, and their technical certificates of completion. So we're excited to be able to support workforce development in the region and particularly in Henry County. And look forward to seeing all of you at the graduation this year as we celebrate our students and we help support our [2:20:36, 2:20:43]: industry partners to keep Georgia number one for workforce development. So thank you so much. Thank you, sir. God bless you. Thank you. Appreciate it. [2:20:44, 2:20:49]: Alrighty. Sanitation Rollout Plan presented by Mr Aaron, please. [2:20:59, 2:21:19]: Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council. Tonight we come before you to discuss our public works and GFL. We'll roll out the sanitation services for the recently annexed residents. This has been a long, arduous process. This has been more difficult than when I oversaw the recycling program. [2:21:18, 2:21:38]: Program rollout for 96,000 customers with the city of Atlanta. One of the most challenging things was actually getting a listing that was accurate and up to date that we could provide and review and scrutinize with GFL. Then the next thing was, how were we [2:21:38, 2:21:58]: Going to go about billing the residents as the city doesn't currently have a billing mechanism in place. How we go about billing them temporarily for this year and ensuring that we collect the revenues to support this service. And the third thing was how do we go about integrating the annexed residence? [2:21:58, 2:22:02]: into the current sanitation system. [2:22:02, 2:22:05]: And last but not least was [2:22:05, 2:22:06]: How do we allow [2:22:06, 2:22:10]: residents to transition from their current provider. [2:22:10, 2:22:23]: to the city's uh provider because some residents we've learned have paid up for the year, they've paid through twenty twenty three. Some have varying expiring dates on their current terms. [2:22:23, 2:22:26]: Some are satisfied with the current provider that they have. [2:22:27, 2:22:33]: But the city makes it mandatory that residents have to use the city's provider. And so [2:22:34, 2:22:43]: What we have done is we've had bi-weekly meetings with GFL and our representative. We have secured the carts, but the main thing was the billing piece. [2:22:44, 2:23:04]: Because when we transitioned the residents in Carriage Lakes, we had a hundred customers. So we could absorb those costs. It cost us twelve hundred dollars a month to absorb those customers from August through the end of the year. But with these over 2,000 customers, it's gonna be about$40,000 a month. So we had to make sure that [2:23:04, 2:23:07]: that we get the revenue for that. The first thing that I presented to you. [2:23:08, 2:23:25]: in your packet was just a timeline outlining how much time and effort has been spent by uh Jeremy Goodwin, Leslie Nordsworthy and I with representatives from GFL to make sure that this thing went off smoothly and with as little hiccups as possible. [2:23:25, 2:23:40]: And also to ensure that the data and information we had was as accurate as possible because we build on a property tax statement. And when this goes out, we want it to be accurate because if not, we're gonna have to have a process to refund people that [2:23:41, 2:23:41]: We're not [2:23:42, 2:23:45]: that are not in the city but were built for the service so [2:23:46, 2:23:51]: Currently there are about 742 customers that are currently GFL customers. [2:23:52, 2:23:57]: And so some two hundred expire in uh [2:23:58, 2:24:03]: On June first, two hundred and sixty-two people will begin paying the city's rate. [2:24:03, 2:24:23]: On July 1st, 234 customers will start paying the rate. And on August 1st, 236. So we finally got a list that we felt was accurate on the 17th of March from the tax commissioners. So we sent out a letter to all of those customers on April 3rd. [2:24:23, 2:24:24]: There we go. [2:24:25, 2:24:45]: And that their carts will be delivered on May, starting May 1st, we'll start delivering those carts to the 1300 that are not GFL customers. And June 5th, residents will start receiving service from GFL at the city's preferred rate. And one of the things we've been getting a lot of emails and calls. [2:24:44, 2:25:00]: From new customers. They're excited. And they're also liking the fact that they're gonna get three additional services because most people just get sanitation and that's it. They don't get the recycling. So we've had some that are concerned that [2:25:00, 2:25:20]: In the county, they were allowed to not have sanitation services. So we've had a couple of residents call, say, well, I take mine to work with me. So but the process is rolling out in May. The first of May, they'll start receiving their carts. And then on the 5th of June, that's when the service goes live and everybody becomes a city of. [2:25:20, 2:25:22]: stop raised customer. [2:25:24, 2:25:44]: uh entertain any questions that anyone may have. Well I like I like your presentation and uh and it's timeline. Uh I'm going to uh read it thoroughly. I understand that been doing a lot of the good work. So transitioning to these new customers is is uh something that obviously you got a plan and we need to implement the plan properly and uh and make sure that those new citizens [2:25:44, 2:25:58]: realize that we do care about them. We're gonna take care of them and uh and make sure that they understand that uh they want to be proud to join the city Stockbridge and they they d and they voted the right way. Okay. Any other comments from the council? Yes ma'am go ahead please Ms. Barber. [2:25:58, 2:26:04]: Thank you, Mr. Aaron, for your presentation. Um, according to the timeline here. [2:26:08, 2:26:15]: I see on the second page where [2:26:16, 2:26:20]: uh procurement in December [2:26:20, 2:26:21]: December seventh. [2:26:22, 2:26:27]: An email from procurement to sanit sanitation evaluation committee. [2:26:28, 2:26:31]: I assume that is for you all to determine [2:26:31, 2:26:33]: Um the bids. [2:26:33, 2:26:35]: Or proposals that were submitted. However [2:26:36, 2:26:38]: The council approved, and [2:26:39, 2:26:42]: The extension of the existing contract [2:26:43, 2:26:44]: Wendy. [2:26:45, 2:26:47]: Bid or advertisement. [2:26:47, 2:26:49]: For the sanitation was still open. [2:26:50, 2:26:54]: I don't see that on your timeline. That the council approved. [2:26:55, 2:26:56]: Extending [2:26:56, 2:26:57]: The contract. [2:26:59, 2:27:00]: That's not on your timeline. [2:27:01, 2:27:03]: Uh it was on [2:27:03, 2:27:16]: That meeting in December, I think it was December twelfth. No, it was in November. It was prior to the close of the solicitation that was out there. You all had not evaluated the bids. [2:27:22, 2:27:33]: No uh it's on December twelfth. There's an email from Mr. Berry to Scott Johnson at GFL stating that that would come up for a vote on December twelfth. [2:27:33, 2:27:36]: About the extension of the year. [2:27:36, 2:27:39]: You came to the council in November. [2:27:39, 2:27:40]: You and Mr. Gardner. [2:27:41, 2:27:41]: U S [2:27:42, 2:27:43]: That we extend [2:27:43, 2:27:45]: The existing contract. [2:27:45, 2:27:46]: With GFAL. [2:27:47, 2:27:48]: І не вас прав. [2:27:49, 2:27:51]: You all evaluating [2:27:51, 2:27:53]: The two proposals that you received. [2:27:54, 2:27:56]: That is not a part of your timeline. [2:27:56, 2:27:57]: That you receive [2:27:58, 2:28:00]: Approval from the council. [2:28:00, 2:28:02]: To extend the current contract. [2:28:03, 2:28:08]: That was either at our November council meeting or the November work session. [2:28:09, 2:28:21]: It's just not a part of your time. When it was [2:28:21, 2:28:24]: Assigned by the mayor, but it was approved by the council. [2:28:25, 2:28:26]: In November. [2:28:26, 2:28:28]: Okay. [2:28:28, 2:28:29]: Um [2:28:29, 2:28:31]: So that I'm clear. [2:28:31, 2:28:32]: Because [2:28:33, 2:28:36]: We told the citizens that they would get sanitation services. [2:28:37, 2:28:38]: In January. [2:28:39, 2:28:42]: And we've been prolonging this. [2:28:42, 2:28:43]: So I [2:28:43, 2:28:48]: I'm clear we have a timeline now of when this rollout will happen. [2:28:49, 2:28:50]: Yes, ma'am. [2:28:50, 2:28:52]: We need to stick with this. [2:28:52, 2:29:10]: There cannot be any more pushbacks. No more excuses. Mr. Gardner, in fact, can you please, sir? This is because I'm timeline. Yeah, you gave me an explanation of all this in November. [2:29:11, 2:29:15]: And you said we would start rolling it out second quarter of twenty twenty three. [2:29:16, 2:29:21]: That didn't happen either. This is I can't hold you accountable, but Mr. Gardner, I can. [2:29:22, 2:29:24]: The residence here. [2:29:24, 2:29:24]: Mayor. [2:29:24, 2:29:26]: We cannot stand by. [2:29:26, 2:29:30]: Keep telling them that we're gonna do something and not stick with it. [2:29:31, 2:29:35]: If they put pressure on me, I'm putting pressure on mister Gardiner. [2:29:36, 2:29:38]: Do what we say we're gonna do. [2:29:38, 2:29:39]: That's all. [2:29:40, 2:29:42]: That's all. Don't make me out to be a liar. [2:29:43, 2:29:45]: Because we just keep prolonging this. [2:29:46, 2:29:47]: And I don't know any other way to [2:29:47, 2:29:48]: Put it. [2:29:49, 2:29:50]: Please. [2:29:50, 2:29:51]: Let's stick with this. [2:29:52, 2:29:53]: If we can't make it happen [2:29:54, 2:29:58]: Тен ви неї то мтоєр. [2:29:58, 2:29:59]: That's all. [2:30:00, 2:30:01]: Mr. Gardner. Mayor. [2:30:01, 2:30:03]: Thank you, ma'am. Yes, we will. [2:30:05, 2:30:05]: Mary. [2:30:06, 2:30:11]: All right, so Ms. she's done. Ms. Gantt, please go ahead please. Thank you. [2:30:11, 2:30:12]: Um [2:30:13, 2:30:19]: If I d I think I recall this correctly, we were told a while ago that [2:30:20, 2:30:37]: We would have to roll out second quarter. Well second quarter starts now. I believe. So January, February, March is first quarter. Second quarter would be April, May, June. But I so I wasn't I I just want you to be clear, I thank you for providing this to us. [2:30:37, 2:30:38]: Um [2:30:38, 2:30:39]: I didn't think that [2:30:40, 2:30:44]: We were going to have sanitation right off because we were notified [2:30:45, 2:30:48]: that we weren't. I just wanted to make sure that we communicated that [2:30:49, 2:31:05]: to all of the people who were annexed in. Because I do see a lot of times on social media that there are questions as to when are they to receive sanitation. So I wanna make sure that the city's doing everything it possible they can [2:31:05, 2:31:17]: and have communicated that to those people who have newly been annexed in and didn't and and wanted to know those that particular ant question. But I did not expect for us to roll this out in January. [2:31:17, 2:31:26]: Um, I do remember you rec stating that it was gonna take a while um just to even get some of the receptacles and some of the the things that are needed. [2:31:27, 2:31:29]: And even if we were to go with another [2:31:29, 2:31:32]: Agency, another uh sanitation [2:31:33, 2:31:34]: uh company. [2:31:34, 2:31:54]: they too would have a hard time based off of the amount of supplies and things that were going on within the economy in general. Yes. Is that not correct? Yes, ma'am. One of the most difficult things has been actually the actual number of residents. Because one one spreadsheet we got had over two twenty four hundred. [2:31:54, 2:32:14]: residents on it. Then another one had, I think, like 1400. Then you had another one that had 1200. So you had to go through and verify all of those addresses based on the annexation to ensure that we were notifying the right customers. Like I said, this goes on their property tax statement. And so we [2:32:14, 2:32:21]: We didn't wanna be stuck if we had to reh refund two hundred or three hundred people that money that we've [2:32:21, 2:32:41]: Collected. Correct. So we wanted to make sure what we do was proper and this process is as seamless as possible because guess what? It's gonna be some people, we're gonna have some hiccups when it starts. And it's gonna be some people that were perfectly fine with the company they had. And now they're having issues. So you're gonna be getting calls. We're gonna be getting calls from I didn't have [2:32:41, 2:33:01]: A problem with my old company. Y'all made me change. Now I'm having problems. We're trying to make this as seamless as possible. And the fact that we spent all of this effort and time identifying the potential pitfalls, I mean, there's a lot of countless hours has been involved in it. We've got three different ways for people to sign up. They can go online and sign up. [2:33:01, 2:33:21]: Call public works, they can call GFL. That mailing went out to all of those residents last week, and our email and phone have been blowing up since Thursday. I was taking calls Friday from people that wanted to sign up for the service. So I think we've done a good job, you know, ensuring that this thing is gonna be as seamless as possible. Like we said in that letter. [2:33:21, 2:33:41]: Better. Please give us time. There's gonna be some hiccups, but I think when people you go from paying$35 a month to$17, and now you're getting bulk waste pickup, recycling and yard waste. And when you're paying$30 just to get sanitation garbage, I think that's a big win for our residents. And I think the majority of them have been patient. I have [2:33:41, 2:34:01]: Not had but one disgruntled person, and that person was upset because they have a business in Stockbridge. They live on Banks Road, they take their trash to their business, so they don't have to have sanitation at home. But now they're gonna have to have it. That's the only disgruntled customer or resident that I've taken a call from. Most people are happy, they understand the process because it's just [2:34:01, 2:34:21]: Just like if you were a business and you bought another business, there's a transition process and you try to ensure that that process goes as smoothly as possible. And that's what we've done. And I think you're gonna be satisfied when it rolls out because you're not gonna get all the phone calls if we would have just haphazardly said come January we threw out 2,000 carts, but we didn't have a plan in place. [2:34:21, 2:34:38]: Right. To make sure that it was successful and we've done that. Well, I wanna thank you and and the department for rolling out this plan in an organized fashion. I do understand that some of the challenges. Um we've confirmed with GFL some of the challenges that were was to get some of the receptacles. [2:34:38, 2:34:50]: as well as any other company in sanitation. So I I appreciate that. We are on today's the tenth of April, so we are on the tenth day of our second term and you guys are right on time. And so I really appreciate that as well because [2:34:51, 2:34:53]: I thought that it was gonna take a year. [2:34:53, 2:35:13]: Based off of what you said last year, you your estimate was past six months, uh uh seven months. So here we are. I I believe that we're ahead of the game with this, and I'm glad we are, but I'm also glad that it's done in the manner that it is, and that you've had an outline here showing us um and you know, hopefully [2:35:13, 2:35:16]: our residents will see this as well. So thank you. [2:35:17, 2:35:21]: Any qu okay, Miss Barber, go ahead please. Um so [2:35:22, 2:35:28]: During the town halls that we had for annexation, um, Councilwoman Gantt [2:35:28, 2:35:33]: It was said that those new residents would begin receiving sanitation services. [2:35:33, 2:35:35]: January first, [2:35:36, 2:35:37]: Of twenty twenty three. [2:35:38, 2:35:40]: That's what was told to them. [2:35:40, 2:35:48]: So that is why I keep asking, please, let's stick with these dates. Then January [2:35:49, 2:35:56]: Mister Aaron said that we would begin in second quarter rolling it out. [2:35:56, 2:35:58]: So I just want us to stick with what we're [2:35:59, 2:36:03]: Stick with what we're saying, that's all. I don't want us to delay it. [2:36:04, 2:36:08]: Any further. That's all. Thank you. Any uh comments from the council? Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [2:36:09, 2:36:14]: Um, you know, usually when I talk I try to know what I'm talking about when I open my mouth, so [2:36:15, 2:36:30]: One one of the things that concern has concerned me, Miss Arian and I would say this to you, with what you're working with n right now, I think that you guys are diligently doing a doing a good job. I mean it's a a lot of stuff, a lot of moving parts going on right now. [2:36:31, 2:36:36]: However, I I I just believe that we as a city as a city and a as a whole [2:36:37, 2:36:38]: Um [2:36:39, 2:36:59]: We have to put we we have to have we gotta put strong um proactive contingency plans in place. Um and I'm not gonna go into that, but I just believe that strong proactive plans and when I [2:36:59, 2:37:06]: I say contingencies because none of us none of us knew if the annexation piece was going to come in or not. [2:37:07, 2:37:14]: But the proactive contingency plan in place, I I just believe that would have um [2:37:15, 2:37:18]: Have things a whole lot better, that's all I'm gonna say on that. [2:37:18, 2:37:20]: All right, any other comments from the council? [2:37:21, 2:37:36]: If not, thank you for the presentation. Appreciate it. You got a good timeline. I know you're gonna make it work. It's gonna work out well successful. Thank you. Appreciate that. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council. New business. Council consideration approved the revised youth council and youth council advisory committee bylaws presented by Doctor [2:37:36, 2:37:37]: Codeing? [2:37:38, 2:37:39]: There you go. [2:37:40, 2:37:42]: Um [2:37:43, 2:37:44]: Yes, you did. [2:37:45, 2:38:01]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Good evening. Thank y'all for having me up today. Um, two we we're trying to revise what we have the Stockbridge Youth Council Advisory Committee. We've adv um revised the Stockbridge Youth Council bylaws as well as the [2:38:02, 2:38:07]: Thought review council advisory committee bylaws. Have ya had the opportunity to look at them all? [2:38:07, 2:38:20]: Would y'all want me to go I personally took a look at it, yes. Okay, do y'all want to I personally did I Do y'all want me to go line by line? Just to correct just the um revisions that we made. That you highlighted already. Yes. Okay, got it. Go ahead. Okay, so I'll go over those. [2:38:20, 2:38:24]: So um first we're gonna go with the stock for youth council bylaws. [2:38:25, 2:38:42]: So if y'all can pull that out in front of you all on the very first page. Um the one thing that we wanted to revise, um initially we did not have a GPA attached to the um bylaws, but we thought it was appropriate to put that. Um now mind you. [2:38:43, 2:39:03]: Our children on the youth council, they are 3.0 and above, but we did not want to um eliminate any students that felt that they, you know, 2.75 is what we agreed upon. Um we thought that was a good standard. Um that's not to say that we are lessening our standards, however, we want to incorporate [2:39:03, 2:39:05]: Ли ал до Ют осток. [2:39:06, 2:39:24]: um in the surrounding areas that that can be attached to this program um because we feel that a leader, uh your GPA is not dictated by leadership. I should I say leadership is not dictated by your GPA. So we wanted to have an inclusive um language for that. So that's the reason why we changed that. [2:39:25, 2:39:29]: Um moving to the page behind that. Um [2:39:30, 2:39:40]: We wanted to we added um council participants agreed to miss no more than three monthly meetings per school year. Initially we had [2:39:41, 2:39:43]: Let me go to that one. One second. [2:39:59, 2:40:01]: Sorry, I'm trying to find that spot. [2:40:04, 2:40:06]: Initially we had no more than four. [2:40:07, 2:40:27]: Um we we changed that um because we felt four was a little bit m too much because the kids throughout the school year the kids may have or should I say the youth, they may have um an event, maybe they're on football this season or maybe they're on basketball the next season. So we understand that they still have [2:40:27, 2:40:42]: have lives outside of the youth council. So we wanted to limit that so that they wouldn't be penalized. I felt that they would you know was penalized for not coming at that time. And also um we changed or re enhanced the ten hour [2:40:42, 2:40:52]: minimum for community service because the kids are doing that with their eyes closed. So we wanted to give them a little challenge and so we increased that to twenty hours. [2:40:52, 2:40:54]: Her um [2:40:54, 2:40:56]: Pro school time. [2:40:56, 2:41:16]: Uh moving on to the bottom of the page for good standing. Um this is just a recap of the um the 2.75 GPA, so that still stands and moving on to the page um article nine, SYC ambassadors. We wanted to [2:41:16, 2:41:19]: [9681.0, 9683.8]: I'm sorry. We wanted to mirror the um [2:41:25, 2:41:41]: what their standards what the s what the root the what the standards are for the ambassadors with um mayor and what the youth council or should I say what the mayor and youth and the council members do up here because the program does represent the mayor and council here so that's why we change [2:41:42, 2:41:48]: the s the standards for their um criteria on the back. [2:41:49, 2:42:09]: Are there any questions about the SYC? I think your changes are fantastic. I I like them personally. Okay. Comment any other comments from the council? Yes. Go right in, please. Thank you so much. And I appreciate the recognition that we want to include more students, uh, as many as possible. And obviously we understand that uh [2:42:09, 2:42:20]: uh there's more to it than the uh actual GPA. And I've said from the beginning, we don't want perfect students. We want a representation of what we have in the community. [2:42:20, 2:42:26]: Exactly. Okay. So would you like me to move on to the advisory committee? Yes, please go ahead. Yes. [2:42:27, 2:42:32]: Um so the advisory committee was um also [2:42:34, 2:42:48]: Redone in order to cap recap. The first page under responsibilities of committee, the Stockwood Youth Council will host at least four events per year. Um this was changed from we'll have [2:42:49, 2:43:06]: to at least be at four events per year. And the reason why we changed it to that is we wanted them to be at um events that we're hosting. So we volunteer a lot around the community, but we wanted to be able to have um them for the events that we're actually hosting. [2:43:06, 2:43:08]: Uh moving to page three. [2:43:08, 2:43:20]: Um it was erroneously put in the last bylaws, um bi weekly meetings, as we know, the youth council as well as the sock bridge advisory council, we meet on a monthly basis. [2:43:21, 2:43:26]: Um po moving to article five attendance policy. Um [2:43:27, 2:43:44]: We have advisory council members are required to attend at least seventy percent of the SYC AC meetings um and fifty percent of the Y S the Youth Council work sessions for planning and fifty percent of the youth council activities, approved calendar events. [2:43:44, 2:44:04]: Um we put the um approved calendar events because we require the advisory to have a more hands-on approach. Uh, we do understand that the advisory committee itself they have jobs, they have families, they have children, um, and other events to attend, but we feel that if you are a member of the advisory committee, you need to [2:44:04, 2:44:19]: to be there to all in order to mentor the young the youth and the only way you can do that is by actually being present. So we increase that a little bit so that we make sure that the advisory committee is there to mentor and guide the youth. [2:44:20, 2:44:22]: Um on the fourth page. [2:44:23, 2:44:43]: We um changed if you go down to number three from the top, um actively engaged, that also goes hand in hand with why we change the percentage of time that we would, you know, expect the advisory committee to be present so that they can, you know, do more mentoring and advise the youth because that is actually [2:44:43, 2:44:48]: our reason for s you know being sworn in to this um position. [2:44:49, 2:44:51]: I'm going to the sixth page. [2:44:52, 2:45:12]: For the bookkeeper, initially we had the bookkeeper would um just review all the the items that you know the money that we've spent. Um this was added to add to add more transparency. The bookkeeper will reconcile purchases made on behalf of the SYC and provide a monthly financial report. [2:45:12, 2:45:23]: report. So that will in turn not only provide more transparency to the board, but also to let us know what we've spent and what we have left to spend for the either that quarter or the year. [2:45:25, 2:45:27]: Moving on to page seven. [2:45:27, 2:45:33]: If you look at close to the bottom of the page, the middle page, article um eleven, fiscal year. [2:45:34, 2:45:43]: Um any events during the summer months are strictly mandatory, but what we did um normally the committee for the youth council as well as advisory [2:45:44, 2:45:47]: The time period is from August to May. [2:45:47, 2:46:07]: Um with July and June being off. Now we know that our students are busy throughout the whole school year. So we want them to rest for the summer months with is which is July, June and July. But for the advisory committee, we felt we should help hold ourselves to a little higher standard. And okay, we'll take June off, but July we need to come back for um [2:46:07, 2:46:16]: Planning sessions, meetings, and development programs in order to welcome our youth back and be prepared for them when they come back from the summer break. [2:46:17, 2:46:32]: And I do believe this is the last mention, which is um we change these bylaws may be altered, amended, or appealed and may be adopted by a majority of the member of the committee at a regular or special meetings of the committee. [2:46:32, 2:46:38]: Proposed amendments to the bylaws shall be sent in writing to all committee members at least seven days before. [2:46:38, 2:46:40]: Prior to the meeting [2:46:40, 2:47:00]: Um initially that was not in there. Um we think that seven days is appropriate because it's not many pages for the advisory committee to review. We wanted them to review it, bring their suggestions to the next monthly meeting, and then we discuss it if it's something that we all agree upon, then we vote upon it, and then we bring it to the next. [2:47:00, 2:47:02]: to mayor and council for them to approve. [2:47:02, 2:47:05]: That's all I have. Fantastic. Any questions? [2:47:06, 2:47:20]: Mayor. Yes, ma'am. Go ahead, please. I move that we approve the bylaws for the youth council advisory committee. Ms. Mr. Blount, second that Ms. Gann made that motion. All favor, please indicate. She announced the decision. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you for your time. All right, fantastic. [2:47:21, 2:47:35]: Council consideration approved the use of Amphitheater Green Room Thursday, May 4th, 2023, from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. to host a small national small business week reception and honor small business owners presented by Kimberly Alance. [2:47:35, 2:47:55]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Kim Alons, Economic Development Director. Uh every year the na the small business administration recognizes uh small business owners for their contribution to our local economy and our national economy. And this year, National Small Business Week will fall on from April thirtieth through uh May. [2:47:55, 2:48:11]: six and your economic development department would like to host an event just to thank our business owners and we're here today to ask for approval to use the amphitheater green room to host that event on Thursday, May 4th from six to eight PM. [2:48:13, 2:48:18]: Okay. I would like to take any questions. Thank you. Questions, concerns. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. Go ahead, please. [2:48:18, 2:48:38]: I I just want to make sure it's gonna be large enough for the small businesses. You're inviting all the small businesses in the city? Yes, so we're we're inviting everyone. Um unfortunately we only have uh space for about fifty people. Um so we're gonna send out um an event uh blast and uh see how many people we get to our SVP point, but we'll have to [2:48:38, 2:48:41]: [10121.5, 10126.9]: Or you can go upstairs to the catwalk area where they do the sponsorship thing and have more room to spread out. [2:48:47, 2:48:51]: We'll see how the response that we get. Um we're gonna [2:48:52, 2:48:56]: And the RSP. You wouldn't want to limit for small businesses, is what I'm saying. [2:48:56, 2:49:05]: So if it gets larger, then you might need a larger venue. And I'm okay with that. I think that's a great idea. And I think i it's it's needed. [2:49:05, 2:49:21]: It's been needed. So on that note, I vote to approve um I make a motion to approve this uh national small busy business week reception at on May 4th, 2023 in the green room. But if a larger venue is needed. [2:49:21, 2:49:30]: I vote that we allow it regardless, unless unless it's already booked. Okay, Mr. Alexander second that motion for Ms. Cant. Any further discussion? [2:49:31, 2:49:33]: All right, all in favor of the motion please indicate. [2:49:33, 2:49:36]: It's a nasty season. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. [2:49:36, 2:49:36]: All right. [2:49:38, 2:49:41]: Approval to apply for a grant. [2:49:41, 2:49:50]: Georgia Land and Water Conservation Fund, LWCF, presented by Jeremy Goodwin and Kelly Russell, please. [2:49:53, 2:49:53]: Evening. [2:50:03, 2:50:06]: Did you be fair? Could you speak into the mic or somehow get it closer to you? [2:50:07, 2:50:08]: Uh this is a little better, I guess. [2:50:09, 2:50:09]: Thank you. [2:50:11, 2:50:14]: Yeah. Oh approval client. [2:50:16, 2:50:35]: Uh we're seeking to apply for the Georgia Department of Natural Resources Land and Water Conserver Conservation Grant Program. The project would be to construct a uh restroom at the west end of East Creek Trail off of Flippin Road. The total project cost is [2:50:40, 2:50:40]: [10240.9, 10244.4]: the other remaining requirement of cash cash or end time match. [2:50:44, 2:50:48]: Um the city has confirmed what we reserved in our splice account. [2:50:49, 2:50:50]: Um the grant [2:50:59, 2:51:01]: Fantastic. [2:51:02, 2:51:09]: Ms. Gantt go ahead please. Mayor, I move that we approve this land water conservation fund grant um application. [2:51:09, 2:51:24]: And uh and it requires a resolution and for the uh and for us also to direct staff to draft up a resolution for this approval. I second. Miss uh Miss uh Barber seconds that any further discussion? [2:51:25, 2:51:32]: Okay. All in favor, please indicate. All right, fantastic. Four. Four votes good. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Outstanding. [2:51:33, 2:51:53]: Uh let's see, a council consideration approved purchase, uh one Ford Ranger, 28,565, and one Ford Edge SUV for 38,580. Understate contract nine nine nine nine-001. SPD 0000183-0001. [2:51:53, 2:52:01]: Funding source two 2023 capital improvement budget for police services presented by Chief Trammer. Please. [2:52:02, 2:52:02]: Yeah. [2:52:02, 2:52:03]: Evening, Chief. [2:52:07, 2:52:09]: Of those vehicles just worth probably forced to. [2:52:30, 2:52:50]: have a spare vehicle if something were to happen to one of those vehicles uh it were to go down so we're seeking council approval for that Ford Ranger for 28,000 that was in the capital improvement budget. Um we currently have uh just a little over 910 000 for vehicle purchases in the capital improvement uh budget and [2:52:50, 2:53:05]: And uh the remaining balance in that account is roughly$130,000. Everything else is being covered for. The other vehicle is for an unmarked vehicle for a member of our office, a member of our police department participating in the drug enforcement administration. [2:53:05, 2:53:25]: Task force we uh provide um an uh unmarked vehicle, UC vehicle for that uh particular position, and um we were able to get that uh Ford Edge from way forward that is currently um available uh at the moment. And the thing about this I think I mentioned too [2:53:25, 2:53:30]: to uh the effect of this in the uh in the item form is that we actually [2:53:38, 2:53:41]: Pay a five hundred dollar monthly V de goal. [2:53:41, 2:53:42]: Line must be [2:53:44, 2:53:44]: So [2:53:45, 2:53:48]: officer stays on the task force and participate and continue their relationship. [2:53:49, 2:53:52]: Um for three years the vehicle essentially we pay for hand. [2:53:52, 2:54:05]: coverage of our participation in that program. So uh this has been vetted by legal counsel these vehicles. Um the uh this is on uh state contract or under state contract we've referenced that here in the documents and questions I mean [2:54:06, 2:54:12]: Council, any question from Chief Tramor? Just the one question that I always ask, Chief. [2:54:13, 2:54:17]: That's right. When when are we moving in that direction? [2:54:17, 2:54:30]: We actually have some conversations that we're going to have with Mr. Stark, the Department of Strategic Plan, to look at the long-term replacement for the police fleet. [2:54:36, 2:54:37]: conversations. [2:54:38, 2:54:45]: or so we'll actually be putting together a plan to help lay up plans for uh replacement of those vehicles to incorporate electric in [2:54:46, 2:54:48]: And I just aren't reading one thing so. [2:54:50, 2:55:02]: Any question for the chief. And if not, I need a motion good for uh to uh go forward with this uh purchase. So move. Uh so move from uh Mr uh Alexander, is there a second? [2:55:02, 2:55:04]: Mr. Blount second then. All in favor, please indicate. [2:55:05, 2:55:07]: Unanimous decision. Thank you, Chief. Appreciate it. [2:55:07, 2:55:08]: Mm-hmm. [2:55:11, 2:55:23]: Council consideration to approve a contract for emergency services b uh emergency services for building permitting inspection services not to exceed six months, uh six month time frame. Ms. Carter, please. [2:55:31, 2:55:34]: Yeah, yes. Somehow I I'm thinking it's off. [2:55:34, 2:55:35]: It's back on. [2:55:35, 2:55:38]: Good evening, Mayor and Council members. Thank you so much. [2:55:39, 2:55:48]: So I'm gonna kinda whip through um my presentation. Um this is just a continuation um to wrap up the conversation around um [2:55:49, 2:55:59]: handling the building permitting inspections and civil engineering services for the department uh community development and um [2:55:59, 2:56:19]: We have a number of things to go through tonight. What I'm asking for currently is for a contract to be awarded to Bureau Veritas, North America Incorporated, for a six-month period to handle our building inspections plan review. [2:56:19, 2:56:38]: For any new projects that come into the city for a period of up to six months. This is to allow for us to advertise and start interviewing to hire in-house staff. Should that be the will of the council? But that is my Mr. Gardner's recommendation. [2:56:40, 2:57:00]: Uh we look at it as a way to um regroup and recoup some losses that we have lost as a result of having a consultant um paying you know upwards of 60 percent uh per month for split for revenues. So the request before you is to allow for um [2:57:00, 2:57:06]: the new contract to be awarded and you have the contracts before you and all the information regarding the quote. [2:57:07, 2:57:09]: Yeah, thank you. Questions, Council? [2:57:10, 2:57:11]: Mr. Blount, you have something. [2:57:12, 2:57:17]: The uh previous contract for these services has it expired. [2:57:17, 2:57:20]: Uh it will be expiring on April the twenty first. [2:57:20, 2:57:24]: On April twenty first. So if anything approved tonight it would not overlap any [2:57:25, 2:57:38]: It would overlap a few days because I've already worked with our current consulting on the offboarding and onboarding of the new company so that there can be established what new projects are underway to make sure there's continuity in services. [2:57:40, 2:57:41]: Okay. [2:57:42, 2:57:52]: Okay, any other questions, Council? Yes. Go right, Mr. Elsa. So this new vendor, what was the process behind uh vetting them, choosing them uh for this job? [2:57:52, 2:58:11]: So this particular company is one of several who uh submitted quotes. Um they have done work all over the region. Um uh Villarica, several other cities throughout the s the Metro Atlanta, and they have offices um nationwide and um in other uh continents across the world. [2:58:11, 2:58:12]: And um [2:58:13, 2:58:15]: I've taken a look at some of the things they've done online. [2:58:16, 2:58:31]: I've talked to some of the jurisdictions and believe they would be a a positive fit for us for this stopgap measure until we can bring in a uh in-house crew to be able to have some seamless um streamline operations. [2:58:32, 2:58:41]: Okay, can we have them come to the podium? Sure. I have uh uh Chris Honeycutt and also Daniel Elliott to come up and speak with you all. [2:58:44, 2:58:45]: Hi gentlemen doing. [2:58:45, 2:59:05]: How you doing, Mayor? How you doing, Council? I'm Chris Honeycutt. I'm the East Area Manager for Bureau of Eratas. Um, as she was saying, we do work for the city of Riverdale. Um, we are the building official for the city of Stonecrest as well, along with Barrow County, Oconee County, Watkinsville. [2:59:05, 2:59:20]: And numerous amounts in Georgia. Um we have two divisions in Pennsylvania, uh, three divisions in Texas, and we also have three, I believe, in Florida as well. Uh we've [2:59:20, 2:59:40]: Been consulting for a hundred and ninety-two years, I believe it is. Um I think it was 18, was it 1820? 28. So uh been at it for a while. Um Daniel you got anything to say? Nope. I think he had let me ask you a question. So right now [2:59:40, 2:59:51]: Now with this economy being what it is, um, what is your staffing situation? How many people are you do you have? How many people would you have to bring on and are you up or down? [2:59:52, 3:00:12]: So we have roughly thirty-five to thirty-six people within Georgia. Um, me as an area manager, I have six up under me along with a permit tech, which I believe that is one of the positions that you are inquiring on. Um, so we would not have to at this time bring on anybody for the six month emergency. [3:00:12, 3:00:23]: Um inquiry here. Uh if we move along through that, then we may have to look into bringing a permit tech on. But other than that, um [3:00:24, 3:00:27]: Building officials and inspectors, we are fully staffed. [3:00:28, 3:00:34]: Okay, so you normally have you said six people up under you, that's what you normally have in your area? [3:00:34, 3:00:43]: Yes, sir. That's what I have in just my area. Yes, sir. Okay. What it what what how many cities does your area are include? So we cover twelve jurisdictions right now. [3:00:44, 3:00:48]: So you have twelve jurisdictions that your six people cover. [3:00:48, 3:00:50]: Yes, sir. We provide um [3:00:51, 3:01:11]: For we provide multiple services in those areas. So some of those jurisdictions are just inspections. So that's fairly easy. Um like the city of um Stockbridge or excuse me, Stonecrest, uh we do build an official services, so that takes up a lot of my personal time. But [3:01:11, 3:01:15]: But uh a lot of those areas are just just inspections, so that's fairly easy. [3:01:16, 3:01:36]: Okay, so go you normally that that's the number that you normally have up under you. Is that number the same as it was in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three? Have you added somebody? Absolutely. So in roughly twenty twenty two I had three people. Um and then from there we moved to six. So I mean we've we've been growing [3:01:36, 3:01:45]: Constantly. We're we're always looking just like everybody else, uh, because it is very hard to find qualified individuals in our field. Um, so [3:01:45, 3:01:58]: We are continually looking to grow if that's kinda what you're asking. So we're always trying to find somebody to bring'em on. One final question. Talk about the experience of the individuals on your team. [3:01:58, 3:02:18]: Yeah, absolutely. So we have um licensed electrical contractors to the state of Georgia. We have licensed HVAC contractors to the state of Georgia. We are all ICC certified uh in residential and commercial. Uh we have uh certified fire marshals, uh we have certified planners, uh certified [3:02:18, 3:02:38]: Building officials, uh, we have master code professionals, uh, we have almost anything the ICC offers, we have, and that is what the state of Georgia goes through. Okay, well what my getting at is that their tenure with you. So you've added the three people. So when did you add the three people and the lat the latest three and how long a day? [3:02:38, 3:02:45]: Uh the latest one was probably [3:02:46, 3:03:06]: October of last year, and that was an early career guy. Uh, we got him straight out of the Marine Corps. So we picked him up and have pretty much pushed him through the whole process. He's now fully residential certified. We're now working to get him uh commercial certified. But uh I mean I think uh early 2020. [3:03:06, 3:03:18]: twenty twenty two is when the other two came on. We picked both of those up at the same time uh from a a jurisdiction. Uh they wanted to leave there. Uh so last two, twenty twenty two. [3:03:19, 3:03:22]: Okay. All right. Thank you. Any other questions counsel at all? [3:03:23, 3:03:37]: All right, seeing none. So otherwise uh we need a motion to uh for the staff to go forward with this uh new company. May I afford. Yes, sir. So moved. Okay, Mr. uh Mr. Uh Thomas, sir second. Ms. uh Gantt second. All favor, please indicate. [3:03:38, 3:03:43]: Now it's decision. Thank you, Mayor, very much gentlemen. Appreciate it. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council. Thank you. [3:03:46, 3:04:06]: Okay, council consideration to approve contract emergency services for civil engineering services not to exceed a six-month time frame. Ms. Carter, please. Yes, so a similar contract, uh, but for civil engineering and plan review and inspections. Um we have been working with a consultant who [3:04:06, 3:04:26]: Who has actually been one of the subcontractors for the current contractor we utilize? Um, and has uh Whitley Engineering. They familiarize themselves with a lot of the projects, have been very key in making sure that we stay in line with state code as it in regards to um soil um and and conservation uh [3:04:26, 3:04:46]: uh erosion control measures and we're trying to ensure that we keep those folks on staff in order to continue those services. The contract before you is to have up to six months for a contract for services for civil engineering that handles land disturbance reviews and [3:04:46, 3:05:06]: inspections, uh, meetings. Uh we a lot of times have meetings with new business owners, new developers who are bringing in new projects, but they need guidance, they want to put a face to the name so that they know who to contact for land uh development concerns or questions and what have you. So um [3:05:05, 3:05:14]: The request before you is to approve a similar contract for Whidley Engineering Incorporated for emergency services up to six months. [3:05:15, 3:05:18]: Okay, questions for Miss Carter, Council. [3:05:19, 3:05:20]: Mayor. Yes, Mayor. [3:05:20, 3:05:25]: I move that we approve. No, I I would question? Never mind. Go right answer. [3:05:27, 3:05:35]: I just hate to sound green. Is this the is it is the name of the company in there that you hire? I don't see it. Yes, it's uh Whitley Engineering Incorporated. [3:05:37, 3:05:41]: Is within your packet? Yeah, okay. [3:05:41, 3:06:01]: You s you say that this company is is worked out of what company? So uh Whitley En Engineering is the subcontractor under our current um larger contractor for building services. Currently, I do have Mark Whitley here who can speak a little bit about what he's done and and um the experience he has and what he [3:06:01, 3:06:11]: He's uh brought to the city. So s uh when you say the larger company, which company Um Safe Built. We currently contract with Safe Built. What? Oh, [3:06:13, 3:06:13]: Wait. [3:06:15, 3:06:17]: So they would say [3:06:17, 3:06:22]: I'm sorry, Mayor. Yes, ma'am, I'm sorry. So uh uh the company this company would say Phil? [3:06:23, 3:06:43]: They are a subcontractor. So they work separately but within under the same umbrella of building services. The way the contract was written originally, probably early 2021, before I came on, it was to have building permitting inspections and also a civil engineering firm. [3:06:43, 3:06:51]: As well. SafeBuild was not able to provide that as they had no one in-house, so they did provide a subcontractor to handle all of those services. [3:06:51, 3:06:52]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but [3:06:53, 3:06:58]: My concern with that for me is that that's common practice for [3:06:59, 3:07:19]: These companies that have subcontracts that they use that are under their umbrella, but how do you protect the city uh from any double dipping or or saying, hey, what's up? You out to the city? I mean, it's I I don't wanna get too deep into that. It's just interesting when we get companies that [3:07:19, 3:07:30]: that are sub contracted under contracts that we already have in place. It's kind of s interesting to me. [3:07:30, 3:07:50]: Mayor. Go ahead, please. Uh so who who do we have a contract with? Safe built or with Willie Engineering? We currently have a contract with SafeBuilt. Safe built contract and all subcontractors is ending April the twenty-first. Okay. Um and the subcontractor is uh Whitley Engineering who handles all the civil [3:07:50, 3:07:56]: engineering piece of all inspections, pre-construction meetings, plan reviews. [3:07:56, 3:08:02]: Um that are pivotal in making sure we bring a development on correctly according to state requirements. [3:08:02, 3:08:22]: So would we be directly contracting with them now? We're no longer contracting with Safe Bill. That is correct. Okay. But they have been doing our our inspections already. Yes, for erosion, only for erosion control. So our this contractor ahead of us handles only the construction, only the portion [3:08:22, 3:08:28]: Of the property that is land development, as prepping the land for any building to be built. [3:08:28, 3:08:31]: Safe built currently handles. [3:08:31, 3:08:38]: All the building inspections, all that when any piece of any property goes up, any buildings go up, bricks, what have you. [3:08:39, 3:08:45]: That's what Safe Bill typically does. And now Bureau Veritas will handle that in the interim. [3:08:45, 3:08:46]: Okay. [3:08:47, 3:08:48]: Oh, that's there. [3:08:48, 3:08:56]: Any other questions? So again, what was the process behind selecting this particular vendor to perform this service? [3:08:56, 3:09:16]: Well, when I um set out to at working with the um finance department to get quotes at all, a lot of them just did not have staff available for this particular use. They would also have to sub out um to someone else. And I said, Well, you know, we currently have services that are working very well for us and we're s [3:09:16, 3:09:28]: staying in in in uh lockstep with the state process, less work with who has been doing a great job at it and continue that so they can continue to move forward and provide that service for us. [3:09:33, 3:09:35]: Any other questions for Ms. Carter on this? [3:09:37, 3:09:50]: All right, then I need a motion to to s for accept um need a motion to accept this this new contractor. Mayor forward. Yes, sir. So moved. Okay. I second. Okay, from Mr Thomas to Miss Cann. All in favor please indicate. [3:09:50, 3:09:52]: Now Susan, thank you very much. [3:09:54, 3:10:03]: Thank you. All right. Council consideration adopt new job description for chief building off official full-time position. Ms. Carter, please. [3:10:03, 3:10:04]: Okay. [3:10:05, 3:10:07]: So as part of [3:10:08, 3:10:17]: This process um we just you all thank you for approving the two contracts. The objective of that is to allow for us to hire [3:10:18, 3:10:21]: Квалифа фос тобі або філда позиція см. [3:10:22, 3:10:25]: Три фултиме позиції офішал. [3:10:26, 3:10:46]: Uh, which is the first item we have, which would be the uh manager of the permitting inspections and and permit process. And we'd also have a building inspector that would be managed by the chief building official and the building permit technician that'll be handled under the building official. Um the building official. [3:10:46, 3:11:06]: The official primarily manages the permit processing and reviews and inspections. And I'm recommending this new position. The job description is as a result of, I want to say about two to three years ago, maybe 2019, it was a desire of this council to understand a little bit more about [3:11:06, 3:11:26]: um bringing this division in-house. And it allows for continuity, a little more efficiency and expediency in our processes. It allows us to be more accurate with reviews and we can say, hey everybody, let's get in a room and let's review this plan and we can move things forward. [3:11:26, 3:11:38]: Um so that is what I'm asking uh kind of one by one. This is for the chief building official position. Um you have the pay scale ahead of you, and I will pull up the [3:11:40, 3:11:42]: The organization chart. [3:11:52, 3:12:05]: Oh, that's already up. I'm not sure if you could make that up, but I'm gonna zoom into community development. Because this this um updated org chart, if approved. [3:12:06, 3:12:16]: would be incorporated with this proposed change. So the items in yellow would be new positions, the items in white are current, current positions. [3:12:17, 3:12:20]: Ms. Gann, go ahead, please. Has this been budgeted for already? [3:12:20, 3:12:40]: It has. It actually, um, if we're able to bring on these these folks full time by July one, we should work within our current budget and I would not need to come back uh to amend or to uh get any additional funds. Um it's just a matter if it does go past that and we go the six months. [3:12:40, 3:12:49]: It does depend on what we're putting out for the consultants that we may need just, you know, a little bit more additional funding, but it will be nominal. [3:12:49, 3:13:05]: Will our budget increase as of January one because we'll be there'll be full time and working the whole year? It will not, because even bringing on these four individuals, it still costs us less than we've been paying over the years for a consultant. [3:13:05, 3:13:07]: Okay, we've been paying sixty percent. [3:13:08, 3:13:21]: We're only paying fifty percent for the emergency services, and we'll be paying even less than that for um uh bringing folks on board. Our our out of pocket expense would be likely two trucks, two to three trucks. [3:13:22, 3:13:41]: When you said we were paying sixty percent, you mean the split the yes in the contract price was sixty forty. Correct. And then um seventy uh thirty in some instances, was it? It was it uh I wish it could be seventy thirty, but um sixty forty has been what it's been. We got I got it down to about fifty five percent. And now the even the emergency services is at fifty percent. [3:13:43, 3:14:03]: Mayor. Yes, sir. Go ahead please. Hey, I'm just gonna say listen, uh I don't know if we're ready for this. I think this would be a good idea, but are we ready to do this as a city? We've had several issues, we had some ongoing issues, and I'm not exactly sure we're ready for do to do it ourselves. [3:14:03, 3:14:09]: in the next six months. Uh maybe at some point we might be ready to do that. [3:14:09, 3:14:24]: Uh with some of the challenge that we've actually had. So, you know. I think I I I would like to do that, but I'd like to be a reassured that we're gonna do the job. Oh, I'm okay. [3:14:25, 3:14:26]: Mayor. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. [3:14:27, 3:14:34]: Um I I'm in agreement with Mr. Alexander. We still have issues that haven't had oversight. [3:14:35, 3:14:39]: We still have issues that haven't been resolved even as of today. [3:14:40, 3:14:45]: Um you know, I'm when we when we contract [3:14:51, 3:15:03]: We we we when we contract because you w you don't want a quick fix for a long term issue, a long term process. And when we've done that [3:15:05, 3:15:07]: The city has gotten the short end of the stick. [3:15:08, 3:15:15]: Um and I'm not gonna go into details about that because it's not the place for it. But I I have a [3:15:15, 3:15:22]: I I I just I have a problem with some things, that's all. All right. Uh Mr Thomas, go ahead, please, sir. [3:15:22, 3:15:26]: Uh thank you and thank you, Mrs. Carter. Um [3:15:26, 3:15:28]: Uh the six months [3:15:29, 3:15:38]: We we have had the conversation uh over the last few years about bringing this in house and I think uh the research [3:15:39, 3:15:40]: uh prove then [3:15:41, 3:15:45]: And I asked you uh here recently about the same research. [3:15:45, 3:15:47]: And you went back and reviewed that. [3:15:47, 3:15:51]: And one thing that uh was true then and I think is true now. [3:15:52, 3:15:59]: When you bring staff in house and it showed too that there were uh a surplus in that. [3:15:59, 3:16:01]: But what you get is [3:16:02, 3:16:03]: The trainin [3:16:04, 3:16:05]: And the [3:16:06, 3:16:08]: Акаунтабеліті австаф. [3:16:08, 3:16:12]: when you bring folks in and I think that is [3:16:12, 3:16:14]: Uh what I see [3:16:14, 3:16:20]: And that is what I'm looking forward, to be able to bring staff in, train them. [3:16:21, 3:16:32]: and hold them accountable to the job. So that's why I'm in favor. And I was in favor then. Uh the research proved that to be a fact. And um so [3:16:32, 3:16:39]: Uh without any other questions, um mayor and council, uh I move to to approve. [3:16:40, 3:16:41]: Yeah, I do have one more. [3:16:42, 3:16:50]: Stand stand by one second. Motion has been made to move to improved. Is there a second? Miss Barber second that I second, but I have a comment, please, sir. [3:16:51, 3:16:55]: All right. Okay. I was gonna go back to Mr. Blount here, but go ahead. [3:16:55, 3:17:02]: I'm sorry. Go ahead, Councilman Blood. Go ahead, Ms. Blood. Uh vote for it. For me [3:17:03, 3:17:09]: Th when we look at approving these positions, when we look at moving around [3:17:10, 3:17:13]: Um when we're filling positions [3:17:14, 3:17:18]: that there were reluctance and or whatever and the the positions that we're filling. [3:17:20, 3:17:24]: Um, I think that some things that we're discussing now [3:17:24, 3:17:30]: It sh we should have had more discussion behind closed door because this does become a com uh uh um [3:17:31, 3:17:51]: a a a hiring position and it does become open for the discussion. Um I don't want to sit here and I would never sit here and uh belittle uh any staff, at least try not to anyway. Um but I have concerns when we're adding positions [3:17:51, 3:17:52]: Yeah. [3:17:53, 3:17:58]: to feel positions that was so long deficient. [3:17:59, 3:18:02]: My greatest concern has always been in this city. [3:18:03, 3:18:04]: Is being proactive. [3:18:05, 3:18:06]: And oversight. [3:18:07, 3:18:08]: Accountability. [3:18:09, 3:18:11]: Transparency, all of those things. [3:18:11, 3:18:16]: Make the city successful in every department, even among us as council members. [3:18:17, 3:18:18]: So for me [3:18:19, 3:18:22]: To put these positions on right now. [3:18:22, 3:18:28]: I think for me I would need further discussions on these positions and stuff behind closed doors. [3:18:28, 3:18:30]: Mayor Pro Tem Barber, go ahead, please. [3:18:31, 3:18:31]: Yeah. [3:18:33, 3:18:33]: Um [3:18:34, 3:18:36]: I was just gonna make mention that this is [3:18:36, 3:18:38]: For emergency services. [3:18:39, 3:18:42]: And because this is a emergency situation. [3:18:43, 3:18:43]: Um [3:18:43, 3:18:44]: The six month. [3:18:45, 3:18:46]: Contracts that we have with [3:18:47, 3:18:48]: The consulting services. [3:18:49, 3:18:51]: Not consulting, but service. [3:18:51, 3:18:53]: contracts that we have with [3:18:55, 3:18:57]: This company this company, I'm sorry. [3:18:57, 3:18:58]: Um [3:18:58, 3:19:00]: I would like to see us do a one year [3:19:01, 3:19:04]: contract with the both of them. I don't know if they are interested in that. [3:19:05, 3:19:06]: And after six months then we can [3:19:07, 3:19:08]: Evaluate. [3:19:08, 3:19:10]: Веде орнат ви речі. [3:19:12, 3:19:13]: to kind of bring this in house. [3:19:14, 3:19:16]: Um I just want us to be [3:19:17, 3:19:18]: Ready. [3:19:19, 3:19:23]: Um we've had some issues over the past three years since I've been here. [3:19:25, 3:19:27]: A lot of it has been internal issues. [3:19:29, 3:19:31]: So I just want to make sure that we're ready. [3:19:31, 3:19:34]: I know we've already approved the six month contracts. [3:19:35, 3:19:38]: I am in support of what you recommend. [3:19:39, 3:19:44]: with bringing these positions in house here, I just want to make sure that we're ready. [3:19:46, 3:19:46]: No, no. [3:19:47, 3:20:04]: Go ahead, sir. Yeah, what what I'm saying is to Councilwoman Barber's point, which is that we would bring this back in six months to just see what we look like from our standpoint. Cause we got people on our side of this pendulum too. [3:20:05, 3:20:25]: And they contracted got people on their side. So after six months, we would come back, we would reevaluate our readiness to move forward. And then after that thin point, we could extend for another six months if we needed to, or we could move forward with it uh at that point. Cause right now I think we just hired [3:20:25, 3:20:35]: somebody on our side um of that uh of the equation and those people are getting up uh to where they need to be. [3:20:36, 3:20:41]: All right. If there's no other comment, the motion was made and seconded, so all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:20:42, 3:20:44]: One, two. [3:20:45, 3:20:46]: Opposed. [3:20:48, 3:20:48]: Okay. [3:20:49, 3:20:53]: Two okay, two, two. You you vote in four? What do you say? [3:20:53, 3:21:04]: I'm sorry, I'm I'm looking at this. If we're the we're voting about the chief building official. I'm in opposition. You're in opposition. Once again, all in favor, let's do this again. Make sure we got it right. All in favor of the motion. [3:21:06, 3:21:11]: Two. All all polls. Three. So the motion fails. Two, three. Okay. [3:21:11, 3:21:31]: Mayor. Yes, sir. I'd like to make a motion to for the rest of the table, the next the next items coming up, and just repeat what we just did, which was bring them, which was deny them and then bring them back. So you're you're referring to the building inspector, the permit technician, and the civil engineer, which is a part. [3:21:31, 3:21:33]: Is that what you're referring to? [3:21:34, 3:21:44]: Yes, I mean there's no need in um at this point I don't think we've we've already made a decision on the one really that could have been brought forward as a package, but that's kinda where we are now. [3:21:44, 3:22:00]: Councilman Alexander, Mayor Ford, if I may, um I do understand the concern. Um is it possible that you would consider um approving the positions with no dollars attached to them that way if [3:22:00, 3:22:19]: within the six month period if we come back and determine we do want to move forward with bringing it in house. We don't have to wait another month or so just to get the job on the agenda and posted. Um that will take us additional time to do um interviewing and all of that. Is it possible that you all will be amenable to that? [3:22:20, 3:22:40]: I'm I'm personally fine with the recommendation and I don't know what the rest of the council's thinking here. Yeah, I'm fine with that. But he's making a motion. I just wanted to. Okay, you're Miss Barber's fine with that. I am fine with your recommendation, Ms. Carter. Okay, Mr. Alexander? No, I'm not. No, he's not, Miss McCann. I I have a question about it. [3:22:40, 3:22:43]: You're asking that we approve the job descriptions. [3:22:44, 3:23:01]: So that the positions are available, but we've already approved these positions already, correct? No. The position the positions are brand new. So we would have to just approve the job description. Um if there are no dollars tied to it at this time, then we wouldn't put it out for hiring. [3:23:03, 3:23:06]: I don't wanna do that and we have a budget [3:23:06, 3:23:10]: We we have budget meetings or whatever the case may be. [3:23:10, 3:23:11]: I don't think I want [3:23:13, 3:23:23]: to do that prematurely because even if we are taking off the dollar amount, when we are ready to advertise or put those positions out there. [3:23:24, 3:23:44]: We're gonna have to do all this anyway, right? We're gonna have to present you're gonna have to present these descriptions, chart and dollar amount, pay scale, anyway, correct? Like when we get ready to put it out there? Well typically if there are positions that are held and I'll defer to the city manager on positions that [3:23:44, 3:23:57]: even though they are on the books, there may be no money tied to them and they're frozen until a particular time where they'll be unfrozen and then we can utilize them and and uh connect dollars to them. [3:23:58, 3:24:00]: Okay. Mr. Blount. [3:24:01, 3:24:08]: For me, um I I I'm with Mr Alexander that we table these three because for me we just had a retreat. [3:24:09, 3:24:11]: And we're talking about changing the oral chart. [3:24:11, 3:24:12]: That's gonna affect the budget. [3:24:13, 3:24:33]: That's gonna move people around, that's gonna have oversight that I oversight and in different positions. I think further discussion need to be had with this because bringing this forth now, without first of all, without any funding numbers, and if we do this before then, then we won't have to do this now. I think that it convolutes the whole [3:24:33, 3:24:53]: Whole situation and we find ourselves in such a conundrum that we can't get back out of because we made a decision today to move forward with uh basically saying, hey, uh something else is gonna happen beyond now. And if, if, if, if I think we need to table this and we need to have further discussions about that, maybe some of that discussion need to [3:24:53, 3:24:56]: To be uh had behind closed doors also. [3:24:57, 3:25:04]: All right. So yeah, ms go ahead, Ms. Thompson. Uh Mayor Ford and Council. Um positions [3:25:05, 3:25:06]: Can be approved. [3:25:07, 3:25:10]: А злом із дена філд. [3:25:10, 3:25:12]: There's no money attached. [3:25:12, 3:25:16]: But positions can be approved. Thank you. [3:25:16, 3:25:17]: Right. [3:25:18, 3:25:38]: All right, so we've got a couple of different things. We want more approved positions, put the recommendation a potential recommendation from Miss Carter, or you can lump them all together and uh table all all the items. I would might want to double check with the attorney, make sure we can all lump them together to one motion to do all that though, even though they're on here as individuals. So I need for you to weigh in on that. [3:25:38, 3:25:38]: Yes sir. [3:25:40, 3:25:40]: Just need to out. [3:25:42, 3:25:43]: Okay. [3:25:46, 3:25:48]: Okay. Thank you, sir. Mr. Blount, go ahead. [3:25:49, 3:25:49]: Um [3:25:51, 3:26:02]: We have a lot of power to do something up here. We because we can do we have the right to do something and always doesn't always make it the right thing to do. [3:26:02, 3:26:03]: For me [3:26:04, 3:26:07]: The right thing for me to do is to discuss this further because [3:26:08, 3:26:10]: Once we approve positions we [3:26:10, 3:26:30]: We put a lot of this in staff's hand that we shouldn't even be dealing with as elected officials anyway when it comes to how much this person's gonna make and this and that. There's a lot that goes in the staff hand after we approve this. I got problems approving this, and this is where my where I come in, this one individual. This is why I agree with Mr. Alexander. We need to table this. [3:26:30, 3:26:40]: and have further discussions on it and have a plan in place and what this c what kinda hit this gonna do to the to to our budget and what what's gonna be needed. [3:26:40, 3:26:43]: I it's too many ins and outs for me right now. [3:26:43, 3:26:49]: All right. All right, Council. Then if that's the case I need a motion uh to reflect uh your desires here. [3:26:50, 3:26:53]: What's the motion? Mayor sir. [3:26:53, 3:26:56]: Or Ms. Anderson. Someone need a motion, please. [3:26:56, 3:27:16]: Yes, sir. I want to make a motion in accordance with what the city um attorney had recommended, which is tabling all three of this in reference to the uh index numbers that are attached to the next three. Fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen. Okay. Is there a second motion? Second. Mr. Blount's second. [3:27:16, 3:27:18]: Yes ma'am, yes ma'am. [3:27:19, 3:27:24]: Does that not include item number thirteen? It's also a motion to adopt the job description. [3:27:26, 3:27:32]: Uh we we already made a decision on thirteenth though. I'm sorry. We already made a decision on thirteenth, I thought. [3:27:32, 3:27:37]: It the motion failed to adopt it, but are is that not being tabled as well? That is the question. [3:27:38, 3:27:41]: If we did not vote I'll add number thirteen to it. [3:27:42, 3:27:54]: Well we made a we made a I don't know. I thought we did. We already made a motion on that. We already approved it, made a motion. Thirteen is only a job description. It's not it's it's if you never approved a position, you just got a job description in place. [3:27:54, 3:27:55]: The job job. [3:27:59, 3:27:59]: Yeah. [3:28:00, 3:28:01]: Yeah. [3:28:01, 3:28:13]: Well, if that's the case or we didn't, I thought we did, I will add thirteen to that. Okay, wait a minute. We got we s we have there's an action we have to take. We just can't arbitrary uh make another motion on this. Is uh is thirteen a new position? [3:28:15, 3:28:25]: It is. Okay. Thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen are they all new positions though. I'm for table and all. Okay. Okay so the motion was made by originally who? [3:28:25, 3:28:26]: Myself. I'm thirteen. [3:28:27, 3:28:37]: Oh, you made the motion on thirteen? And and s okay, so otherwise if you made a motion on thirteen, Mr Attorney, if he wants to retract that, I guess I guess we can we can do it that way? [3:28:38, 3:28:47]: Uh to a while you wanted a you wanted a amend I guess change the motion or amend it to add thirteen to to number fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. We already voted on thirteen previously. [3:28:52, 3:29:06]: Oh that's right, it did that's right, that's right. That and I need to talk to the clerk. That's right, it did fail. I'm sorry. No wonder, that's why she asked that question. Oh it did fail. Okay, so otherwise, uh we can automatically just add that to the other the other motion with the other three items. [3:29:07, 3:29:12]: Okay. Go ahead please. I'm sorry. Yes, I amended it to add thirteen. Okay. Is that s uh who's second that motion? [3:29:13, 3:29:15]: I did, sir. Okay, Mr. Blount? [3:29:15, 3:29:21]: Okay. So I'm so otherwise the motion is I I would imagine you have this, uh Miss Clerk. [3:29:21, 3:29:33]: Okay. So all in favor of motion uh to table thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen. I need okay. I need a motion. All in favor, please. Indicate. [3:29:33, 3:29:39]: I had a question, sir. I'm sorry. Wanted to know when we're tabling it until when? [3:29:40, 3:29:41]: When is this coming back? [3:29:42, 3:29:55]: We're we table this, we have a a a temporary contract for the six month period that we have. We will reevaluate after six months to determine whether we're ready. [3:29:55, 3:29:58]: That's with the contractors. [3:29:59, 3:29:59]: But you're [3:30:00, 3:30:02]: The purpose of this motion [3:30:03, 3:30:23]: Is for the new job descriptions. Right, the same thing. We're tabling this till indefinitely. As I said when I made the mo the first one is that we will come back to this in six months and we will evaluate whether we are ready or not. And the at the [3:30:23, 3:30:30]: six month period when they're when it's time to well we need to renew for another six months or we need to move into another direction. [3:30:33, 3:30:33]: Um [3:30:35, 3:30:37]: Okay, so then [3:30:37, 3:30:39]: After the six months. [3:30:40, 3:30:41]: We'll be able to determine [3:30:42, 3:30:45]: Whether or not we are happy with the service. [3:30:45, 3:30:47]: or quality of services that we're getting. [3:30:48, 3:30:49]: From these two. [3:30:49, 3:30:50]: Contractors. [3:30:50, 3:30:52]: But it still doesn't address the fact that [3:30:53, 3:30:55]: She needs new job descriptions. [3:30:55, 3:30:57]: Those new job descriptions. [3:30:57, 3:30:59]: Will need to be posted. [3:30:59, 3:31:00]: And advertised. [3:31:01, 3:31:02]: After that. [3:31:03, 3:31:05]: So why would you wait six months? [3:31:06, 3:31:26]: For the contribution of the case. We can bring it back at any time we want we can bring it back at any time we want to. Can we staff can put it on the agenda? Uh we can put it on the agenda. I put the six months in because it runs concurrent with with with our agreement where we will always have protection at that point. But the council can bring it back or the staff can bring it back. [3:31:26, 3:31:29]: [12690.0, 12692.0]: Bring the job description back in [3:31:32, 3:31:33]: Three months. [3:31:33, 3:31:37]: I I've said the statement that I'm g I've made the motion already. [3:31:37, 3:31:50]: I'll abstain. Okay, well first of all before you do that, ma may I want to make sure uh uh clerk has this proper before we take another vote on this. So what do you have, ma madam clerk? Well I'm having the motion to table item number thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen. [3:31:52, 3:31:58]: for six months to be evaluated and brought back to the council at that time. [3:31:59, 3:32:07]: Mr. Mr. Alexander, is that correct? That's correct. Okay. On that note, uh ladies and gentlemen, council, um I need uh all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:32:09, 3:32:10]: Of opposed? [3:32:10, 3:32:18]: Okay, pose. Okay, so three, one, and you sustain, right? So three, one, one, motion pass. Three, one, one. [3:32:18, 3:32:20]: And um okay. [3:32:21, 3:32:30]: Ms. Carter, thank you very much. Thank you. All right, uh what I have here, council consideration to fill a vacancy and appoint a member of the downtown development authority presented by Mr. Washington. [3:32:33, 3:32:47]: Now once again, this is this typically we do these we dive done these in the past in in a zechular session, then come back out of a Zekir session for this, but I think there's only one person that is on this particular list. And [3:32:50, 3:32:52]: I have to admit I don't even know this gentleman. [3:33:17, 3:33:27]: We have one applicant for the appointment mayor and council. That person is Mr. Antonio Gordon, who's a uh head of business of barbershop owner here in Stockbridge, Georgia. [3:33:30, 3:33:33]: All right, I believe this is to be on the ethics committee, I believe it is. [3:33:35, 3:33:36]: Board of Ethics. [3:33:37, 3:33:38]: That's what it says here, right? [3:33:40, 3:33:45]: The downtown development authority. Downtown, okay. For downtown, okay. Where? [3:33:45, 3:33:47]: On application says something different. [3:33:48, 3:33:49]: Okay. [3:33:54, 3:33:54]: Mayor. [3:33:54, 3:34:00]: Yes sir. Yes ma'am, I'm sorry. But it's also included. [3:34:01, 3:34:18]: Okay. The final position for the Board of Ethics has to be appointed by the mayor. That has not been selected, but the applicant did make the request to be considered for any other board that had an opening. And that is why he has been presented to the council for this position. [3:34:19, 3:34:21]: And of course this business is right in the downtown area. [3:34:22, 3:34:24]: Yeah, it's on page three, he's willing to work any if available. [3:34:26, 3:34:28]: Okay. All right. [3:34:29, 3:34:35]: All right, Council Sol anything else to add, sir? No. Okay, I'm sorry. Questions? [3:34:35, 3:34:37]: Mayor. Yes yes, Mayor. [3:34:38, 3:34:55]: Go ahead, Councilman. You you're on the board of DEA. I just wanted to ask a question. I just I just I just didn't I'm sorry I d wasn't aware that this was coming up tonight. Was there some discussion uh already um with the applicant or just the qualifications have already been verified? [3:34:57, 3:35:07]: The application was submitted to the mayor and council, the D D A chair as well. Mm-hmm. Okay, so the the D D A chair has already reviewed it. [3:35:08, 3:35:11]: It was submitted to the DDA chair. [3:35:12, 3:35:32]: Well did you you want to double check with him or or uh what's Yeah let's let's do that. Let's follow let me follow up with uh uh the DDA chair because you know we know what he's been going through and we need to see whether or not uh he's had time to to chime in on the application. So your suggestion is to table it. Okay, sir. [3:35:32, 3:35:43]: Well if that's if that's what you'd like to do, uh then make a motion to that sir. Sir, I'd like to make a motion to table this appointment to consult with the D DA board and chair. Is there a second then motion? [3:35:44, 3:35:45]: Is [3:35:45, 3:35:46]: Is there a second to the motion? [3:35:47, 3:35:50]: I second. Okay, Miss Gand seconds the motion. [3:35:50, 3:35:53]: You have some apprehension there, Miss K well I I [3:35:53, 3:36:08]: This goes to show that even if we only have one applicant, we still need executive sessions. I don't I don't like the way this went. That's all. Uh well what am I? He's gonna talk further with the with the DDH chair, so uh and we'll go from there. All in favor of the motion please uh indicate. [3:36:08, 3:36:13]: All in favor? Okay, thank you very much. Okay, what's next? Uh [3:36:13, 3:36:19]: Uh, Mr. Quentin, mister Washington, is stop bridge amber theater alcohol policy, sir. [3:36:20, 3:36:21]: No ordinance. [3:36:26, 3:36:28]: Yes, Mayor and Council coming out of the retreat. [3:36:28, 3:36:29]: This was the [3:36:31, 3:36:44]: ordinance that you all requested. The only change that we would have on there is to match up to what is on the website about the seven quarts. That's not eight by eight, that's twelve by twelve coolers. [3:36:45, 3:36:56]: And so I we talked with Chief Chairman about it. It's a twelve by twelve cooler to be able to bring in alcohol and we just asked for that to be an amendment that you all would adopt for the ordinance. [3:36:59, 3:37:02]: And this is all outlined in uh number D, right? [3:37:02, 3:37:03]: Yeah, fine. [3:37:06, 3:37:11]: And this is to allow alcohol, outside alcohol for our concerts. [3:37:11, 3:37:14]: Was this provided to us before? [3:37:14, 3:37:15]: Today. [3:37:16, 3:37:18]: Is that I didn't get this until today. [3:37:21, 3:37:22]: Mr. Washington. [3:37:23, 3:37:23]: Okay. [3:37:24, 3:37:29]: Was this just provided to us at the start of the meeting? Yes, it was. Okay. I'll be abstaining again. Okay. [3:37:32, 3:37:52]: Well t this is uh well she wants to sustain, but let me mention this to the council now, just is so you have food for thought, I suppose. I have to admit I'm not in favor of this ordinance. And since it is a ordinance, um I do have by the charter I do have the power to under Mayor's power to uh veto and so uh [3:37:52, 3:38:12]: I will tell you that uh if by chance this ordinance passes with a minimum of three votes, I will veto the bill. I will veto it. All right. So and of course if I do that, then it takes four to overturn my veto. That's the checks and balances. So I just want you to know that at this point uh that that is m that's my thoughts and that's [3:38:12, 3:38:22]: That's my that'll be my action. So it's up to the council how you want to proceed and then and then however you proceed may may may cause me to do something. Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. [3:38:23, 3:38:26]: I I guess my only concern is [3:38:27, 3:38:30]: What we have advertised on the website and [3:38:31, 3:38:36]: The premise that uh concert goers help purchase tickets. [3:38:37, 3:38:41]: Да дасмали концервов ні чангес. [3:38:42, 3:38:44]: to the premise that [3:38:44, 3:38:45]: Um [3:38:46, 3:38:48]: People that purchased our tickets. [3:38:49, 3:38:52]: And I think we just need to be a little cautious on that. [3:38:53, 3:38:56]: Um and that that's my only concern. [3:38:56, 3:38:58]: Okay. Mayor. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Uh uh. [3:38:58, 3:39:03]: I concur with that. I think we went back and forth about this for a little while. Um [3:39:04, 3:39:05]: Last year. [3:39:07, 3:39:18]: All we kept telling everybody, even when they couldn't even bring a bottle bottle of water in, uh I saw many of these, many council members, several council members amongst myself, [3:39:18, 3:39:24]: Being very apologetic about the way the amphitheater was being ran last year. Let's just be honest. [3:39:25, 3:39:27]: And everything that we told them [3:39:27, 3:39:29]: That was gonna happen this year. [3:39:29, 3:39:32]: And I agree with uh Mr. Thomas. [3:39:32, 3:39:33]: Because [3:39:33, 3:39:36]: I'm gonna if I buy a ticket. [3:39:37, 3:39:38]: Expecting the [3:39:38, 3:39:42]: go into a suite and I get there and it's a one bedroom with no bed. [3:39:43, 3:39:45]: Uh that ain't what I purchased. [3:39:45, 3:39:50]: People purchased an experience at the amphitheater that we said we was gonna do. [3:39:50, 3:39:54]: And then at the ninth hour to say, Well, if they don't want it, we're gonna [3:39:55, 3:40:00]: This this empathy is continually trying to find his way and try to find identity. [3:40:00, 3:40:10]: And I was hoping that this year would be one that we find identity. And and through this year, if it doesn't something doesn't work, now we see. Now we actually see because [3:40:11, 3:40:13]: Of things that are put in place right now. [3:40:14, 3:40:21]: But I'm for it because of what we've put out and what we've said and we have a concert next week. [3:40:22, 3:40:23]: Next week. [3:40:23, 3:40:25]: And the talk has been [3:40:25, 3:40:45]: The city of Stockbridge is not like it was used uh I heard it's not gonna be like it was last year. I just wanna put that out there. Okay. And let me just say I think procedurally, and I talked with the chief and and Mr. Young who's over the amphitheater, if you were to use your veto on this one, my understanding is that it would take effect for the second concert, is that correct? [3:40:45, 3:40:46]: Not this one. [3:40:47, 3:40:51]: So it's the same concept of those going forward from there unless it was overturned. Okay. [3:40:52, 3:40:53]: Understand. Thank you. [3:40:53, 3:40:55]: Wait a minute. [3:40:55, 3:40:57]: What what what I'm sorry? [3:40:57, 3:41:17]: But because this concert the concert tickets have been sold and advertised. I'm talking with Chief Trammer and with Mr. Young, and if you want them to explain they're here, that the if he were to veto it, the veto would take effect after this concert. What'd he vetoed it tomorrow? So I mean [3:41:17, 3:41:21]: [13282.4, 13283.4]: So when you [3:41:27, 3:41:33]: Right. But there's already been a contract created between the people and [3:41:33, 3:41:35]: Well if [3:41:35, 3:41:38]: If Yuan wanted to, he'd the b he would still have a veto. [3:41:39, 3:41:42]: Yeah, if you want it he would still have the veto, but [3:41:43, 3:42:00]: they would not be able to get the information out to the individuals that would be trying to bring alcohol in in enough time for this concert. And so they were thinking that on the administrative side that they would be able to make it in effect for the second concert as opposed to this first one is coming up. [3:42:01, 3:42:11]: And a second concert this year happens to be Mother's Day weekend with Maxwell on the thirteenth and fourteenth of May. Is that right? So that's roughly a month, the thirty days difference in time. Mm-hmm. Maybe for it. Yes, sir. [3:42:12, 3:42:15]: I I I still have the same issue and and I don't know [3:42:16, 3:42:36]: Who bought tickets or when. I know that the Maxwell tickets went on sale one particular Friday and people came and rushed and and purchased those tickets. So I I I just still have the same concern that that you know concert girls have purchased tickets. [3:42:36, 3:42:40]: under the premise that we have stated uh on the website and [3:42:40, 3:42:41]: I just don't concern if [3:42:42, 3:42:44]: If we had sort of decided [3:42:44, 3:42:50]: During the off season, coming into January, we were gonna take a position. I'd have been fine with that. [3:42:50, 3:42:53]: But but for us to to flip flop and [3:42:54, 3:43:14]: to appear disorganized. That's just that's just a problem that I have with all of that. Sir. Yes sir. Go ahead please. Um in in the beginning, no one authorized this to be put on the website. So let's go back to there. Okay. The change was made, but I I'm not sure how the change was approved. We talked about it. [3:43:14, 3:43:34]: We had a vote. Uh there was a three to two, I think a three vote um decision that was made on the item. I think we talked about general liability and some other items that were concerned with that. So my position is I'm I certainly I think based on what you discussed, I'm certainly not for it. [3:43:35, 3:43:55]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. Um, if I'm not mistaken, um the consultant met with um all of the council members through Zoom. I I recall the conversation, and I I don't I don't know what um his [3:43:55, 3:44:15]: contract call for in in this particular manner? Uh it may and it may not, but I do recall uh the conversation uh during the Zoom call. I I can't speak to what that vote was or even if it was a vote. Maybe Mr. Young could respond to that. But but again, uh it's [3:44:15, 3:44:25]: It's on the website, that's the bottom line. It's on the website and and people have purchased the tickets uh under that premise, regardless of how it happened, is is is there. [3:44:26, 3:44:43]: Mayor. Yes, sir. Th someone spoke I mean, uh the attorney spoke for Chief Tramer. I I didn't uh I don't know if he wants to get fooled into this or not, but at the same time did you s uh uh uh were those your thoughts that were conveyed here at the podium? [3:44:52, 3:45:12]: Mayor Mayor Ford just take a vote. I I would I would defer to um legal and um to Mr. Young with the uh management company. My position is is we're here to enforce whatever um guidelines are put in place uh for the amphitheater, whether that's [3:45:12, 3:45:32]: you decide to admit it or uh you decide not and that's our position. All right. Thank you. Exactly. And so okay. Okay, I tell you what, we we got we have the ordinance here and uh so what amounts to I need a motion to whether or not uh we're gonna accept this uh this ordinance change dealing with the alcohol [3:45:32, 3:45:38]: being brought in at Tampa Theater or not. Well, is there a motion? We don't want to hear from Mr. Young. [3:45:39, 3:45:51]: Okay, I'm sorry. Excuse me. Mr. Young? Come to the podium, sir. Okay. I don't need to talk to Mr. Young. Mr. Come on, Mr. Young. [3:45:55, 3:45:57]: Good evening. Evening. [3:45:57, 3:45:58]: Happy you're here. [3:45:59, 3:46:19]: I'm happy to be here, sir. Yes, sir. So as a consultant, sir, what are your thoughts, sir? Back in January when we had the Zoom call, I spoke to every council. We had three, two um calls, and it was uh stated that we will allow alcohol to be brought [3:46:18, 3:46:20]: Yeah. [3:46:20, 3:46:33]: Um that's why it's on the website. All the all everything that came out of that meeting is on the website. That's what's been stated. Um so that's how it came up, Mr. Alexander. [3:46:34, 3:46:54]: So who you said has been stated, who stated it that it was approved? But I broke but we met this section and that section. So we didn't do it a c uh so whoever th whatever the three said it at that time when I brought it up, even I I [3:46:54, 3:47:00]: I discussed it on both calls. Okay, so what you're saying is there was no vote, there was just correct. [3:47:00, 3:47:15]: Did I have to have an official vote? I'm just saying you s I'm just saying stating the fact I did not have a vote. I don't I know you said you got a consensus there wasn't a vote. Right, yes sir. Thank you. Just the facts. No pa, no pa yes sir. Anything else? [3:47:15, 3:47:29]: All right, so on that note, ordinance has been brought forward by m Mr. Washington. Mr. Harold uh young just spoke. So so I need a motion to accept this particular ordinance change involving bringing in alcohol to the amphitheater for this season. [3:47:30, 3:47:32]: There is there acceptance of this motion? [3:47:33, 3:47:34]: Mayor. Yes, Mayor. [3:47:35, 3:47:39]: Well go ahead, uh council well I wanted I just wanted to make a comment before we even take a vote. [3:47:40, 3:47:50]: Concert tickets have been sold not just for this first show but throughout. That's correct. At the purchase of a concert ticket at that time a contract [3:47:52, 3:48:05]: Per each individual person who has purchased a ticket has been made. They exchange money for their ticket as well as for all the amenities and everything else that's included in their disclosure. [3:48:07, 3:48:22]: Mayor and Council needs to understand that. Okay. And that's what I'm saying. We we have to be, you know, careful with that. And I I think that um whether we you know I don't know what tickets are open right now. [3:48:23, 3:48:32]: we put a halt or whatever the case may be for the next show until we get all this ironed out. However we wanna do it. Not halt the show, but you know, however we wanna do it. But for now [3:48:33, 3:48:38]: At least through Maxwell from what I'm hearing and maybe even Monica or I dun I don't know from others. [3:48:39, 3:48:41]: We've already established [3:48:42, 3:48:43]: Some rules here and [3:48:44, 3:48:46]: We had a vote. [3:48:46, 3:48:48]: I believe we had a vote. [3:48:49, 3:48:49]: Already heard. [3:48:50, 3:48:54]: During the retreat. And if we did not [3:48:54, 3:48:55]: If we did not [3:48:56, 3:48:59]: Um, I believe we had a official vote during the retreat. [3:48:59, 3:49:02]: Which is an open meeting, a public meeting. [3:49:03, 3:49:04]: Um so [3:49:05, 3:49:07]: at that point in time. [3:49:07, 3:49:27]: And I I I honestly believe that we need to follow the process and procedures that we have in place for now and maybe work on this um halfway through from those shows that have not been announced or in sales. I think we can kinda do something at that point. [3:49:27, 3:49:27]: Yeah. [3:49:28, 3:49:29]: That's it. [3:49:29, 3:49:34]: I still need a motion whether or not we're gonna accept this uh ordinance change or not. [3:49:35, 3:49:36]: Yes, sir. [3:49:37, 3:49:55]: I'd like to make that motion but I wanna make sure, well, not necessarily to make the motion, but when the motion is made, I want the size of the cooler to be included in the motion. And that that is uh twelve inches by twelve inches, is that what it is? All right, so then five inch. No, no, no. He wants to change it to twelve inches. [3:49:56, 3:49:58]: Oh. [3:50:02, 3:50:04]: Okay. [3:50:05, 3:50:10]: All right. I mean, whoever makes a motion can can add that in there for for the vote. [3:50:12, 3:50:13]: He's making it. Is there a motion? [3:50:16, 3:50:18]: You want go ahead. [3:50:19, 3:50:34]: So I would like to make a motion that any alcohol beverages brought well, uh make a motion that we approve the ordinance provide for an exception to the restrictions of the possessions of consumption of alcohol beverages at Stockbridge Amphitheater and for the perp and and for the purposes listed. [3:50:34, 3:50:38]: um to include a twelve with the amendment on D [3:50:38, 3:50:39]: Page two [3:50:40, 3:50:48]: Um any alcohol brought into the amphitheater must be in a cooler not larger than twelve by twelve, only one cooler per patron allowed. [3:50:48, 3:50:54]: I second. Okay. Um okay, Mr. Um Thomas, second that motion. [3:50:55, 3:50:56]: All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:50:59, 3:51:00]: I'll pose. [3:51:00, 3:51:01]: Of staying. [3:51:02, 3:51:22]: Okay, it's three one one and as I three one one and as I mentioned before I will veto this ordinance. So I need to go through the process of official veto. I will veto it. I I'm I wasn't playing with that. So I'll veto it. And then of course uh the council can override once I officially do that with the pro proper paperwork, then the council will override the veto with four affirmative. [3:51:22, 3:51:23]: Yeah. [3:51:23, 3:51:36]: Now, so on that note, um we'll start the veto process or documentation effectively tomorrow. I'll be in tomorrow to take care of that. Unless you got some other guidance for me, Mr. Sir. I've got ordinance on that. [3:51:37, 3:51:38]: Yeah, so not meeting. [3:51:39, 3:51:40]: Uh [3:51:47, 3:51:57]: On that note, we'll move on to uh announcements and upcoming events. Council meetings will be held. City Council Chamber's noting some board and committee meetings will continue to take place via via Zoom. [3:51:58, 3:52:18]: Okay, so we go to city's website, city of starbridge.com for meeting invitation link, Facebook page, or contact city hall offices at 770-389-7900. Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Levi Meeting Room, which will be April 11th. The main speech [3:52:18, 3:52:38]: Street Advisory Board meeting second Friday of each month at 9 a.m. at the Welcome Center, 1:30 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, April 14th. Downtown Development Authority meetings as third Tuesday of each month via web zoom, April 18th. U Council Advisory Committee meeting, 6:30 p.m. Third Tuesday of each month, Levi Meeting Room, April 18th. [3:52:38, 3:52:52]: eighteenth in City Hall. City Council Work Session meeting last Tuesday of each month at six P.M. City Hall Council Chambers, April twenty fifth. Planning Commission meeting six thirty P.M. City Hall Council Chambers fourth uh Thursday of each month is April twenty-seventh. [3:52:55, 3:53:09]: Couple things here. Uh cave city events and upcoming events here. Uh council initiative uh April twenty sixth at six p.m. at Merrill Manor's Conference Center. Uh Councilwoman uh Gan is gonna have her District One Town Hall. [3:53:13, 3:53:33]: Also, Henry Free Music presents uh ASP ASEP violin classes and music program at Cotton Indian Elementary School, involving Cotton Indian uh Indian Elementary School, Red Oak Elementary, Fairview Elementary School, and the Youth Orchestra United Joy Through Music Spring Concert 2023 on Tuesday. [3:53:33, 3:53:46]: May sixteenth at twenty twenty three, seven PM at Murr Manors and uh Mayor Pro Tem uh Barber plans to participate and be in I guess she's gonna play a violin, I suppose. I don't know. Okay, there you go. All right. [3:53:47, 3:53:57]: Join Mayor Pro Tem Barber once again in partnership with JJ Smiles for the 2023 annual cookout and fundraising on April 15th from 2 p.m. to 6 p.m. at Clark Community Park. [3:53:58, 3:54:18]: Community members are encouraged to donate backpacks, backpacks, and school supplies. Monetary donations are welcome with 100% of the proceeds going directly to JJ Smiles Incorporated. This event is free and open to the public. You can email ybarber at city of Stockbridge-G A dot G-O-V for more information. [3:54:18, 3:54:27]: Join Councilman uh Blount on Wednesday, April nineteenth, is Murray Manos Conference Center for Bingle from ten A. M. to noon. Please contact Roslin Rawls at six seven eight. [3:54:28, 3:54:31]: eight three three three three three three three three three four eight for more information. [3:54:31, 3:54:34]: Join Councilman Blount once again on Thursday, April twentieth. [3:54:35, 3:54:39]: at Winsong Clubhouse for District Three Town Hall meeting, seven PM. [3:54:39, 3:54:42]: And contact once again Rosalind Rawls for that information. [3:54:43, 3:55:03]: And I got him to join Councilman Blounts again on Saturday, the 22nd of April at Clark Park at 12 p.m., 12 p.m. to 3 p.m. for Stockbridge Motorsports Safety Ride. Once again, contact Rosland Rawls at 678-833-3348. Join Councilman Thomas for Don't Trash Stockbridge. [3:55:03, 3:55:23]: Bridge centered around education, highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping. Saved a date for the Carrie May Hammerick Day, Saturday, May 13th. More information follow. Contact Consman Thomas at 404-247-4972. And as always, a continued salute to veterans. [3:55:23, 3:55:43]: Please forward pictures of veterans, include name, rank, uh, branch, years of service to Mayor Pro Tem Tom. Well, actually, excuse me, Councilman Thomas. Uh da da special as he presents, a special tribute to our local veterans. Pictures should be submitted to Rawls and Rawls at R Rawls at City StopRage-G E dot Gov. [3:55:43, 3:56:03]: And of course thank you for your service. And also I'm sponsoring a particular event also on May uh sixth at two o'clock with uh fundraising event for Sisters Talk. It's uh it's going to be at Merrill Manors at two o'clock as I mentioned. And uh this is a a nonprofit that uh works with the young girls and and helps young girls become [3:56:03, 3:56:13]: more responsible and mature in this aspect as well. So we'll make sure we'll get that information further out as well. And uh my other comments, it is springtime. [3:56:13, 3:56:33]: But COVID nineteen is still out and about, so make sure you get your boosters. I don't think flu season is out. We're out of flu season now, but boosters are still needed, so please be safe and be health uh healthy. And happy belated Easter everybody. Re happy rec Res Recor Re ooh Resurrection Day. I can't get that out there. And hopefully that uh you gotta renew [3:56:33, 3:56:53]: uh spirit uh for life um based on what occurred a couple thousand years ago with jesus our lord uh let's see here for the uh for all the football fans the draft comes up uh here here in shortly in the next week or so so hopefully uh your favorite team will [3:56:53, 3:57:13]: Will get their particular players and wish well on the uh the Falcons as they gather some folks for the next season. And and well wishes to the Braves for a great start this season and hopefully they'll continue to uh work towards another pennant. And Friday, the 14th, will be our first concert of our [3:57:13, 3:57:33]: our concert season for 2023 with the IZ brothers and the uh group after seven. On that note, uh mayor. Yes, sir. You know what there's a there's a distinguished citizen that's probably gonna be in the top five of the NFL draft. You're absolutely right. And his name is uh Will Anderson. I got you. [3:57:33, 3:57:53]: I I understand what you mean. I got so we gotta look we gotta look forward to uh acknowledge that with him after all this guy's done to see what else we can do here in the city. Yes, uh he might be the top first uh defensive player very much so we'll take a look at that. Don't know where he's gonna go, of course, but we'll find out. On that note, uh that's my understanding, we have an executive session. [3:57:53, 3:57:53]: Yeah. [3:57:54, 3:57:57]: Uh so I need a motion to go into second session. [3:57:58, 3:57:59]: No, we don't. We don't have a exact session? [3:58:00, 3:58:01]: We do not ha okay. [3:58:02, 3:58:08]: Well if that's the case then I need a motion to end our meeting. Mayor so moved. Okay, is there a second? Ms. Barber second all in favor, please indicate. [3:58:09, 3:58:11]: Okay, thank you. God bless y'all. Good night.

--- title: Regular Council Meeting date: 2023-03-13 source: 2023-03-13_Regular_Council_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:05, 0:00:06]: Brandy and easy. [0:00:09, 0:00:11]: That should have been [0:00:11, 0:00:13]: I think three minutes. [0:00:17, 0:00:20]: That was uh the main one. [0:00:22, 0:00:27]: That you said you all had a great, great time now. Where's that gate lady? Oh yeah, we're at this party. [0:00:28, 0:00:30]: [ 37.2, 37.9]: Yeah. [0:00:39, 0:00:41]: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. [0:00:44, 0:00:46]: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. [0:00:47, 0:01:00]: Thank you all so very much for joining us. Um March is women's National Women's History Month. Um so the great city of Stockbridge is celebrating [0:01:01, 0:01:14]: all of the contributions of women across our city, across our county, across our nation. We even had a celebration by my fellow councilmate, Councilman Elton Alexander. [0:01:14, 0:01:18]: Honoring women in our city and throughout our county. [0:01:20, 0:01:28]: I'll be honoring women today and if I can ask the women who are in the room, if you can come up front and join me for the reading of this proclamation, please. [0:01:30, 0:01:31]: Madam Clerk. [0:01:36, 0:01:37]: Yeah. [0:01:37, 0:01:39]: This way. Either side. [0:01:44, 0:01:47]: One of our officers is joining us as well. [0:01:57, 0:02:02]: With the reading of proclamation, the city of Stockbridge in recognition of Women's History Month. [0:02:02, 0:02:06]: With excerpts from the twenty twenty three presidential proclamation. [0:02:07, 0:02:18]: Whereas during Women's History Month, we celebrate the countless women who have fought tirelessly and courageously for equality, justice, and opportunity in our nation. [0:02:18, 0:02:28]: And whereas we also reaffirm our commitment to advancing rights and opportunity for women and girls in the United States and around the world. [0:02:28, 0:02:35]: We are mindful that we are building on the legacy of both recognized trail blazers and unsung. [0:02:35, 0:02:36]: Heroines. [0:02:36, 0:02:40]: who have guided the course of American history and continue to shape its future. [0:02:40, 0:02:45]: And whereas last year the Supreme Court overturned the [0:02:45, 0:02:46]: Roe versus Wade. [0:02:47, 0:02:57]: stripping away a constitutional right from the American people and the ability of millions of women to make decisions about their own bodies, putting their health and lives at risk. [0:02:58, 0:03:02]: Disparities persist in economic security, health care, [0:03:02, 0:03:06]: and caregiving responsibilities, especially for women and girls of color. [0:03:07, 0:03:16]: Those who perform critical work, including those who care for our children and our families, are too often overlooked, underpaid, and undervalued. [0:03:17, 0:03:30]: And whereas, this month, as we continue our work to advance gender equality and equity, let us celebrate the contribution of women throughout our history and honor the stories that have too often gone untold. [0:03:31, 0:03:35]: Летис рекорніздат фундаментал фрідом а інтерконекте. [0:03:36, 0:03:38]: When opportunities for women are withheld. [0:03:38, 0:03:39]: We all suffer. [0:03:40, 0:03:41]: And when women's lives are improved. [0:03:42, 0:03:43]: We all gain. [0:03:43, 0:03:52]: Let us strive to create a nation where every woman and girl knows that her possibilities know no bounds in America. [0:03:52, 0:04:01]: And now, therefore, I, Yolanda Barber, by virtue of authority vested in me as Mayor Pro Tem of the great city of Stockbury's, Georgia, [0:04:02, 0:04:04]: And on behalf of Mayor Anthony S. Ford. [0:04:05, 0:04:18]: City Council members Elton Alexander, John Blount, Lakeisha Gantt and Alfonso Thomas do hereby proclaim March twenty-three as March 2023 as Women's History Month. [0:04:18, 0:04:28]: We call upon the Stockbridge community to observe this month and to celebrate with appropriate programs, ceremonies and activities, and is being done here today. [0:04:28, 0:04:40]: And witness thereof I hereunto set my hand and the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on this thirteenth day of March, in the year of our Lord, two thousand twenty three. [0:04:42, 0:04:43]: Saba. [0:04:44, 0:04:46]: Mary Po Tim, Yolanda Barber. [0:04:46, 0:04:48]: And City Clerk Vanessa Holliday. [0:04:49, 0:04:58]: I'd like to present this to um Pastor Kalicia O'Neill from Global Impact Christian Ministries. Thank you. [0:04:59, 0:05:03]: Would you like to say a few words? Would you like to [0:05:05, 0:05:25]: Well, I want to say thank you to Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Um, as a woman, I'm proud um to stand here um in a month where we repres we recognize women for their achievements, past and present. Um I say, God be the glory for the vision um and the dreams that have come to pass because of great. [0:05:25, 0:05:30]: great women and we give God glory and honor for it. Amen. [0:05:32, 0:05:34]: Very very much. Thank you. [0:05:35, 0:05:36]: You come over this way. [0:07:30, 0:07:33]: Uh okay. [0:08:57, 0:08:59]: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. [0:09:02, 0:09:04]: It is six oh two. [0:09:05, 0:09:10]: On March thirteenth, and I'd like to call our regular city council meeting to order. [0:09:13, 0:09:20]: I've invited Ms. Pastor Kalicia O'Neal from Global Impact Christian Ministries to do the invocation for us. [0:09:24, 0:09:24]: Please stand. [0:09:30, 0:09:31]: Let us pray. [0:09:31, 0:09:37]: Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus, this is the day you have made, and we will rejoice and be glad in it. [0:09:38, 0:09:42]: Father, you told us in your word that we should pray for politicians and all those in authority. [0:09:42, 0:09:45]: So we come boldly to your throne of grace to find help. [0:09:46, 0:09:48]: In our time of need, Heavenly Father. [0:09:48, 0:10:02]: Father, we pray that you would give our council members wisdom, clarity, and understanding as they work together for the betterment of Stockbridge. And we'll forever give you all the honor, the glory, and the praise. And it is so in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. [0:10:03, 0:10:05]: And thank you. Um Pledge of Allegiance? [0:10:06, 0:10:19]: Pledge of Allegiance to the Plague of the United States of America to the Republic of which stands a nation undergoing indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [0:10:21, 0:10:24]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:10:27, 0:10:29]: Mayor Ford? [0:10:31, 0:10:37]: Let the record reflect Mayor Ford is not in attendance. Mayor Pro Tam Barber. Present. [0:10:38, 0:10:40]: Councilman Alexander. Present. [0:10:42, 0:10:43]: Councilman Blount. [0:10:46, 0:10:51]: Let the record reflect Councilman Blount is not in attendance. Councilwoman Gantt. [0:10:54, 0:11:00]: Let the record reflect Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Thomas. [0:11:00, 0:11:01]: Present. [0:11:02, 0:11:03]: Mayor Pro Tem Barber. [0:11:04, 0:11:08]: Due to a lack of a quorum, the meeting cannot proceed. [0:11:09, 0:11:15]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. Um, I'd like to consult with our city attorney, Mr. Washington. [0:11:16, 0:11:21]: I'd still like for us to just um hear the presentation from [0:11:22, 0:11:25]: The representative from s um Sky Design. [0:11:26, 0:11:27]: For a way finding. [0:11:28, 0:11:30]: I know that we can't vote on that item. [0:11:31, 0:11:34]: But I'd still like for her to proceed with her presentation. [0:11:39, 0:11:41]: As presiding officer you have that latitude, but it [0:11:42, 0:11:52]: As presiding officer you have that latitude, but there's not a quorum, so just they can still if you want people to still speak, they still can, but we don't have a quorum to be able to conduct any business right now. [0:11:53, 0:11:54]: Understand. Thank you, sir. [0:11:55, 0:11:55]: Um [0:11:56, 0:12:02]: So with that being said, uh Madam Clark, um the adoption of the minutes we cannot [0:12:03, 0:12:04]: approve or [0:12:05, 0:12:06]: Deny. [0:12:06, 0:12:07]: Um [0:12:07, 0:12:09]: Any of the old business [0:12:10, 0:12:20]: Any of the new business, we're not able to take any votes today. However, I'd like for us to move forward with hearing from the representative from Sky Design. [0:12:21, 0:12:26]: And Ms. Kira Braggs, the Main Street Manager. [0:12:26, 0:12:27]: For a wayfinding. [0:12:37, 0:12:56]: Good evening, Mayor Pro Tem and Council members. Um I'm here today before you to introduce Ms. Tiffany Chin, who is principal at Sky Design, a firm that we have consulted with with regard to our wayfinding initiative here in the city of Stockbridge, and I'd like to bring her forward to make her presentation. [0:12:58, 0:12:59]: Thank you. [0:13:02, 0:13:05]: Good evening, everyone. Nice to see you all again. [0:13:09, 0:13:15]: So today and tonight we are here to um excuse me while I [0:13:16, 0:13:17]: There we go. [0:13:17, 0:13:33]: To see progress of the signage and wayfinding master plan package that you had um hired our company to provide for you, both a strategy for how the city branding can be expressed in a [0:13:33, 0:13:43]: visual manner for identity of the city of Stockbridge, starting at its perimeter and moving forward further into the interior of the city. [0:13:44, 0:13:47]: Today, what you'll see is a culmination of [0:13:48, 0:14:02]: all of our work thus far thus far, uh multiple conversations, um, many rounds of development, and we'll start here with just the premise of how we began this project, identifying the project goals. [0:14:03, 0:14:17]: Our purpose of this was to unify the identity of the city and unify the city itself through these visual items that both act as a uh visual guide for when you have entered the city as well as draw um. [0:14:18, 0:14:23]: Providing wayfinding to drivers and eventually pedestrians throughout the city as well. [0:14:24, 0:14:36]: Additionally, this system should clearly identify the city of Stockbridge as a place and a destination, just by nature of its existence and celebration. [0:14:38, 0:14:58]: So, how we um began the fundamentals of this project is to understand who the city of Stockbridge is, your character at a snap at a glance, what your character snapshot is. Um, all of these words and images were gathered and discussed as representing what Stockbridge. [0:14:57, 0:15:00]: is about and what makes Stockbridge special. [0:15:01, 0:15:17]: We also know that the branding for the city was completed just prior or prior to when we were hired to provide this signage and wayfinding system. So that was another integral component for the building blocks of our designs. [0:15:19, 0:15:26]: And starting with the design development, we begin with the primary monument, which is also known as the Interstate Gateway. [0:15:28, 0:15:42]: And when we last reviewed this, we had seen a um much rougher design idea. And today's presentation has a much more uh refined rendering of each of these images. So what you're looking at is [0:15:42, 0:15:53]: The interstate gateway, this would belong at the northernmost end of the city and the southernmost end of the city, and then also moving in slightly from um the multiple highways at the north side. [0:15:54, 0:16:08]: And what we've done since we last met is we've taken your feedback from the last conversation. We've also spoken with GDOT, um, gotten their feedback about any concerns or uh restrictions that they may [0:16:09, 0:16:29]: Present to us in the future, and we've modified our designs according to those conversations. So, what you can see here is the highway, um, interstate gateway. You can see a scale perspective of the vehicle just down to the left. And this would be constructed from fabricated aluminum, potentially some steel structural components. [0:16:29, 0:16:49]: Components and a breakaway based with a brick veneer and concrete caps. GDOT has mentioned that a 25-foot height is their new maximum. And we originally had shown a slightly taller design and we've reduced it so we've gotten a preliminary approach. [0:16:49, 0:16:50]: Approval from them. [0:16:51, 0:17:10]: And then you can see on the side of these interstate gateways, we are proposing that this very celebr celebrational uh shape and design has reveals on the side that k bring in the Stockbridge green. And you can see here we have the Stockbridge gold and Stockbridge red. [0:17:10, 0:17:25]: So what we are proposing is that for visibility, you have the faces of the letters be white and the returns of the letters be the stockbridge green, along with these two uh rail line details on the edges of the arcs that swoop upwards. [0:17:26, 0:17:46]: Additionally, what you can see from this rendering is how we propose this being eliminated. To step backwards, because we are in these final stages of designs for council approval, what we would be um, what the next steps would be after approval is to create a technical package to then [0:17:46, 0:17:52]: um start the bid procurement process and we needed to define what [0:17:53, 0:18:04]: illumination would be present for each sign, and then understand how that gets worked into the drawings so that bidders could respond to the RFQ and RFP. [0:18:05, 0:18:23]: So from an evening rendering, we're proposing that these letters are facelit, channel letters. Those would be illuminated out of the front of the letters, and then you can see on the interior of the arcs, we're proposing that those are accented with exterior lighting that swoops upwards with the arc itself. [0:18:25, 0:18:36]: And then moving forward into the secondary monument, um, you will see a simplified version of how this design is then translated into other [0:18:36, 0:18:41]: uh city perimeter locations. Uh we have roughly [0:18:41, 0:18:51]: eight sign types and this being the second in the hierarchy of experiences, we wanted it to have a similar form and expression. [0:18:52, 0:19:12]: And we've you'll see that we're starting to propose another layer to the color scheme and the family. So we're proposing a bit of a dark gray and then a lighter silver. And then we're also proposing use of the Stockbridge S. And then you can see that those celebratory expressions become. [0:19:12, 0:19:19]: um this um very uh botanical and um expressive form from all directions. [0:19:20, 0:19:28]: The tertiary monument is um all of these work into the experience of arrival, the sequence of arrival. So [0:19:29, 0:19:31]: If a driver were to [0:19:31, 0:19:41]: Enter Stockbridge, they see the interstate gateway. If they were to come in on a secondary road, they would see the design that we just showed and a tertiary road, they would see the design you see here. [0:19:42, 0:19:56]: And so you can see that's a simplified version. You can see the secondary and tertiary monument take up a small footprint of space. Normally these occupy um a space on the side of a road, so we wanted to make sure that we were [0:19:56, 0:20:00]: adjusting and accommodating in a proactive manner for where these would be located. [0:20:01, 0:20:03]: And again, this would be fabricated aluminum. [0:20:04, 0:20:16]: We would specify that this would have an automotive grade paint with um the multiple coats and again breakaway bases with a brick veneer and uh cap. [0:20:18, 0:20:24]: And then you can see here, just from a scale perspective, they reduce further and further depending upon where these are located. [0:20:27, 0:20:47]: And then finally, we know that from um a perimeter expression, there are already some existing uh s city boundary signs. And we wanted to ensure that when when we depart from this project, that the city has a full sign family to [0:20:46, 0:20:50]: move forward with for years to come and [0:20:50, 0:20:54]: With that is um the need for. [0:20:55, 0:21:09]: any potential situation. So we created a even simplified, even more simplified uh expression for to demarcate a city edge or city boundary. And you can see that we have the same um panel. [0:21:09, 0:21:29]: The dark gray interior with this the city S on top, stockbridge letters going vertically, and we've just started to introduce an interior reveal to carry forth the original reveals from the interstate gateway, and just a simple cap on top. So this would be one of those sign types. [0:21:29, 0:21:37]: Types that's easily mass-produced and identi uh located and mass-produced in bulk quantities as needed. [0:21:40, 0:21:45]: Moving into the vehicular directionals, these are signs that would be [0:21:46, 0:21:47]: Positioned [0:21:47, 0:21:58]: Immediately from the interstate um into and throughout the city to multiple destinations. What you see on the left is the rendering at different angles and [0:21:58, 0:22:01]: It at a scale according to the vehicle. [0:22:01, 0:22:16]: And just a um mock-up of what the wayfinding could look like. You can see that the letters are tall to meet GDOT recommendations and also just from a driver's speed um readability purposes. [0:22:16, 0:22:28]: You can see we're bringing in the same graphic elements but using them in new manners. So we what we have is a um aluminum base with to mimic the brick base. [0:22:28, 0:22:47]: the curved panel to act and reflect the original graphic elements of the Interstate Gateway, and the same silver and dark gray finishes with tall copy anywhere from three to four destinations at one time. [0:22:47, 0:22:54]: And then bringing in again the gold and red accent colors as well as the green rail lines of the city of Stockbridge. [0:22:56, 0:23:03]: Moving forward into the building ID, one of the discussions that we had as part of our design process is [0:23:04, 0:23:13]: retaining some of the signs that exist and utilizing some of their elements because uh there was an investment put in in the first place and they were significant. [0:23:13, 0:23:21]: And so what we are showing is actually two styles of building IDs. One is a retrofit, and one is a um [0:23:22, 0:23:25]: production a а new a new fabrication. [0:23:25, 0:23:28]: And what we are proposing and you can see right here at the top [0:23:29, 0:23:32]: Right is how an existing sign of [0:23:32, 0:23:36]: A portion would be demolished and the base would be repurposed. [0:23:38, 0:23:44]: And this is the proposed design for the retrofitted building ID. [0:23:45, 0:24:03]: We do have uh the brick base, a brick column with a dimensional city S, with two um rail lines that wrap the wrap the column with the inset, the stock bridge red and gold arches below, and a gray panel with a gray arch above. [0:24:03, 0:24:05]: And for the [0:24:06, 0:24:09]: Single build we have um eschew the [0:24:09, 0:24:17]: Brick base below, we have this cantilevered portion above, and otherwise it maintains the same design as the retrofit. [0:24:19, 0:24:39]: And then moving into the park IDs or trailhead IDs, it could you be used for either. You can see that it takes on a similar form and expression, except we have swapped the color fields, excuse me, so that you still get some variation from park to building and a stock bridge. [0:24:38, 0:24:41]: uh green for the copy. [0:24:43, 0:25:03]: The pedestrian kiosks are currently identified as being installed in the downtown area with the knowledge that as these are being produced and new locations are being identified, they could be built in further quantities or larger quantities. But the intent of these is to serve as [0:25:03, 0:25:04]: Um [0:25:05, 0:25:11]: Elements for any pedestrian to either be informed of Stockbridge locations or [0:25:11, 0:25:17]: maybe potential retailers or other destinations, there's multiple uses that this could be used for. [0:25:17, 0:25:35]: But the thought is that they would be built with a cabinet that could be either implemented day one with a digital screen or retrofitted later and implemented with a digital screen in the future. But these would be um standing, you can see slightly above uh standard uh height. [0:25:35, 0:25:40]: And serve to provide information to anyone downtown. [0:25:42, 0:25:45]: And then finally we have the public parking ID. [0:25:46, 0:25:56]: We do have um two variations of this that we had planned on including in the bid package should we proceed to that uh design phase. [0:25:57, 0:26:02]: The design on the left you can see is a slightly more um [0:26:02, 0:26:21]: substantial design. They're both vertical with a small footprint and it just says parking on two sides. And the design on the right is much more simple with a single post and flag design with park the the green stock bridge, the stockbridge green with the P and an arrow for the wayfinding. [0:26:22, 0:26:23]: And you can see that [0:26:23, 0:26:35]: As we progress into these um physically smaller signs, we're continuing with some of the design elements and languages originally established. So both of these have [0:26:35, 0:26:45]: a green reveal on the post and you can see that again as we start to land on our last sign type, which is the street ID. [0:26:46, 0:26:47]: So here we have [0:26:48, 0:26:58]: A single post with a painted base and then a green stockbridge green street sign with the red and gold arches. [0:26:59, 0:27:01]: with reflective vinyl for the street name. [0:27:04, 0:27:11]: And that concludes the sign family design. You can see here at a glance how each of them speak to each other and [0:27:12, 0:27:18]: relate to each other in terms of scale and how none of them are duplicative but they all feel related. [0:27:19, 0:27:28]: like a family, and then we also have um a quick glance at what the budget could look like if it were implemented all at once. [0:27:29, 0:27:47]: Beyond this, we can go further into the sign types that we had discussed in the past. We've made a few adjustments, such as identifying where exactly where the 675, you can see right here, exactly where that is placed. [0:27:47, 0:27:53]: And also confirming that A one, which is the northernmost. [0:27:53, 0:28:05]: Interstate sign and A2, which is the southernmost interstate sign, all of them are placed within the city, and here you can see the blue signs, which are the secondary monuments, the orange signs are the tertiary monuments. [0:28:06, 0:28:17]: And then further we s we speak to the current list of destinations. These would inform the message schedule, which is the actual copy that goes on every single sign. [0:28:18, 0:28:25]: And here you can see at a glance the master plan for where every vehicular directional would be implemented. [0:28:25, 0:28:26]: Um one of the next [0:28:27, 0:28:47]: Major points of discussion discussion in the next design phase would be to discuss which sign types are being implemented, if they are all of them, or if we are going to select certain ones, or even from a vehicular standpoint, do we do a portion of these and do other ones further down the [0:28:47, 0:28:48]: the line. [0:28:49, 0:28:55]: Here you can see the building IDs in green and the park IDs in yellow. [0:28:56, 0:28:58]: And then here in purple. [0:28:58, 0:29:12]: You can see the pedestrian um sorry, pink the pedestrian kiosks, purple the public parking IDs, and then I just at a glance some street branding around downtown, the street signage around downtown. [0:29:14, 0:29:25]: And here are some quick renderings of where the monuments or and how they could look at each of these interstate off-ramps. [0:29:25, 0:29:26]: into the city. [0:29:29, 0:29:30]: Zoom in a little bit. [0:29:36, 0:29:38]: Here from a secondary gateway. [0:29:44, 0:29:46]: And then again each sign type. [0:29:47, 0:29:53]: And w what we would do is we would work with G Dot to establish exactly where these are located. These are as you can see. [0:29:53, 0:29:59]: Photoshopped into um Google Google Maps, but they give you a good idea of scale and placement. [0:29:59, 0:30:03]: and um general understanding of how these would look in reality. [0:30:05, 0:30:11]: Council members, Mayor Pro Tem, thank you for allowing us to present this and also to work with you to design this package. [0:30:12, 0:30:20]: Awesome. Thank you so very much. Um, and great job on the presentation and design of these signs. Um [0:30:21, 0:30:26]: I will ask my councilmates you all have any comments you would like to make? Sure, yes. [0:30:28, 0:30:30]: Councilman Alexander. [0:30:30, 0:30:50]: Uh yes, thank you. Uh I'm just overjoyed. The work is spectacular. Uh it is class A and it brings us to uh the quality message that we want to communicate to anybody that uh comes encounter with these signs. They see immediately the quality of them, they see they even offer [0:30:50, 0:31:10]: Or artistic type of expression in the detailed design of the science. Sometimes you sit down and you talk with a consultant and you don't underst they don't you don't know whether they're gonna get you or not. You guys got us. You understood exactly what the mission was, and it's a mission accomplished. Now, in terms of [0:31:10, 0:31:30]: This and I the council members will tell you that I sent out an email to uh visit Henry and Panola Mountain State Park about cross advertising because of what we have is so impressive, such as those two tourist attractions, Panola Mountain, which is outside the city limits. We certainly want to be able [0:31:30, 0:31:50]: To work with uh the che the Visit Henry Chamber Visitors Bureau to and uh the chamber and Panola Mountain and some other points of interest to be able to incorporate them into what we're doing uh with our directional signage right off our 75. Uh we went to a presentation the other day uh by the [0:31:50, 0:32:10]: Convention and Visitors Bureau and they did an analysis on various points of interest in the city. And pretty much what we saw was people would come to the amphitheater for a concert. But if it was less than four hours, they said they didn't do an overnight hotel stay. So we need to use this in order to probably [0:32:10, 0:32:30]: Partner with those other brands to be able to increase their time into the city so that it would incorporate a hotel stay and increase the amount of tourism dollars that'll be coming into the city. But this package is uh is absolutely brilliant. Uh I think Mayor Fro Tim and I were we were jumping out of our [0:32:29, 0:32:49]: Because honestly, I would go all in. I wouldn't try to piecemeal it. I would just the the product is so good. You cannot do it justice by putting a piece here and a piece there and then coming back. And it needs to go out all at one time to be able to express to uh [0:32:49, 0:32:56]: the public, uh the the the quality of the work. I'd like to ask Mr. Gardner to come to the podium. [0:33:08, 0:33:28]: Uh thank you sir, I appreciate you. Uh now we all know to really come down to what the finances look like and then been able to pay for this. But with this y very unique product, it actually qualifies as tourism, so we should be able to pay for it through the use of hotel motel tax, especially seeing [0:33:28, 0:33:48]: That um we have these additional hotels that we picked up uh in the annexation, and that fund should actually be growing. Over the past couple of years, that fund has actually increased dramatically, and I think it's somewhere near a million dollars in that fund at this particular point. So talk about how we were working. [0:33:48, 0:33:57]: Work with the uh Convention and Visitors Bureau and the and the city in order to finance this through hotel motel tax. [0:33:59, 0:34:07]: Good afternoon, Mayor Pro Tem uh Council members. Uh yes. So we the way the hotel motel tax is split up. [0:34:07, 0:34:18]: There's a portion dedicated specifically to to um items such as this. It's called tourist product development portion of the hotel motel tax. So if you're at eight percent. [0:34:19, 0:34:23]: So somewhere around one and a half percent goes to tourist product development. [0:34:23, 0:34:35]: The other rest of that that eight percent can't go towards this program. So that minimizes obviously how much of that overall sum you can use towards it. So [0:34:35, 0:34:55]: That's where we would be able to utilize those funds to assist with the payment for it. Um there's also some other funds we could look at as well to to get this moving forward. Um that we're investigating whether we can use those funds, and I'll come back and bring that to you guys. But um out of the whole a lot. [0:34:55, 0:35:07]: of the tourist product of the hotel motel tax, we can't use all of it towards this type of stuff. Only only a one point five percent of it can be used for tourist product development. That could be [0:35:07, 0:35:12]: Um, paying for the Merl Manders, paying for some of the operational costs of the [0:35:12, 0:35:22]: the um amphitheater, those type of things that that draw people to to where you are. Um, you can use those funds for it. Like even um [0:35:23, 0:35:35]: senior and youth center. If it's gonna have tournaments where people coming in, you can use that money for that. Um to cover the either the construction costs or the OM. Yes, we are growing in our hotel numbers. [0:35:35, 0:35:46]: However, we're not there yet, but I'm hoping. We've we you know, we we we lost one almost and so they're starting slow because we did predicate our budget on having um the home two. [0:35:47, 0:36:07]: you know, pretty much finished by now, which they should have been, but now they're back at the starting point because of the fire. But we're we are seeing growth in that number. But I just want council to remember that of the eight percent, only one and a half percent can go towards turret product development. And trust me, I know because we got in trouble in my last job for putting too much [0:36:07, 0:36:10]: in that fund and got sanctioned from DCA about it. [0:36:11, 0:36:31]: Okay, so what we really did was we picked up the holiday inn on highway one thirty eight, the red roof inn uh in the travel lodge uh over there. Those three and then as you say we got the new uh hotel on the construction on Country Club Drive. Three on the four under construction right now. Right. We have what the home to suites. [0:36:31, 0:36:35]: Holiday in and holiday in and uh [0:36:36, 0:36:56]: The holiday and uh in and in suites, the we could ever get them to go in, the uh best western and the home two which is on Patrick Henry. And now there's there's a particular Hilton on Patrick Henry and then the home two is on Spear, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well those obviously those numbers would be [0:36:55, 0:37:15]: uh increasing and and going in that direction. But what are your thoughts on it? I mean honestly I I I I I I'm kinda in the position where I think this is just where we're trying to go in terms of uh and then we have the additional product that'll be coming online in terms of the JohtoCo. We should be seeing the Costco movie. [0:37:15, 0:37:20]: And several others over there. [0:37:20, 0:37:40]: Yeah, I mean and obviously w um when I came on board last year and I saw what was done. Uh let me stop you right there. No, no, no. I wanna thank you for we were going down the wrong path with those subdivision signs and what you have brought [0:37:40, 0:37:51]: brought to the table with sky design is Buckhead versus where we were it out in the wilderness somewhere. So I wanna thank you for you you deserve all the credit for where we are today. [0:37:54, 0:38:14]: Thank you. Thank you. Ms. Briggs and her and her team as well. They deserve a huge kudos because they went through the day-to-day on this versus, you know, me just telling them, hey man, we need to switch direction. Um, you know, and go go with a firm that, you know, has done this and understand how this process. [0:38:14, 0:38:34]: actually works and then go through that process and generate what you see before you. So that that was important. And you know, it it says a lot about who we are and where we're headed when you see something like this happening going on and being constructed. So yes, we're looking at all the avenues to at which to to get this process started once it's approved by council. Um [0:38:34, 0:38:38]: I'll be discussing some of those options to you guys next week. [0:38:38, 0:38:46]: Um, as part of my presentation to you guys. So see whether you guys wanna move in that direction in terms of how we fund this and a couple of other things is is coming up the pipe. [0:38:46, 0:39:00]: Absolutely. I think what it's important to mention is that we can't vote. But pretty much there's three of us here to uh and we can't give a consensus on what we think about what's going on. So certainly we'll move in that direction. Thank you. [0:39:01, 0:39:07]: Thank you, Councilman Alexander, for your comments. Um, I believe these signs uh [0:39:07, 0:39:12]: Of course I support it. Of course I do. Um it is key to helping us to [0:39:13, 0:39:14]: Ребран Ар Ситі. [0:39:15, 0:39:17]: And as Councilman Alexander said, we [0:39:17, 0:39:19]: I don't want to piecemeal this. [0:39:19, 0:39:22]: I want to roll it all out at the same time. [0:39:22, 0:39:23]: Um [0:39:23, 0:39:26]: And I wish there were more citizens who are here. [0:39:26, 0:39:34]: To see this presentation and these design concepts, but nonetheless, Councilman Thomas, do you have any comments you'd like to share? [0:39:34, 0:39:35]: I do, thank you. [0:39:37, 0:39:57]: Like to thank um Mrs. Braggs and her team and Sky Design uh for this presentation. And I know we've been at this for a while and uh know Mr. Gardner when you came in, you know, we looked at this and we asked you um, you know, where are we going with this and we did change direction. [0:39:57, 0:40:13]: But I do wanna thank Mrs. Braggs and her team and Sky Design for this. But more importantly, I I I just wanna thank you for you met with council members, uh, in groups individually, but I wanna thank you for capturing [0:40:13, 0:40:33]: the vision of the city. Now I think that's what's important here. Um you know you came in, you met with us, we had an opportunity to input, but you capture that and this is a result of that. So I just want to thank you for that. And it's all about uh you know doing the due job. [0:40:33, 0:40:53]: Diligence, putting the work in, and making sure that we're constantly going forward. I know we we talked about rolling it all out at once and and the financial obligation to this. So I think that's something that we still have to work at to make sure we can we can do that. But I just want to say today, I just want to thank you. [0:40:53, 0:41:12]: and Sky Design for capturing our vision. And I think that is very important that you were able to do that. And Ms. Braggs again, thank you for your due diligence in working with this council and making sure that and city manager to make sure that this is going forward because we've been at this for a while. [0:41:12, 0:41:32]: And then I've always pushed, you know, is is the train going forward? And that's my most of my concern. Sometimes it doesn't matter how long, but you m but you want to make sure that the train is constantly moving. So I just want to thank all of us as a team for capturing this. And I think now um we can all go forward because I think [0:41:32, 0:41:43]: think you have met with I I believe all of the council members and so you have captured all of that input and so now it's just a matter of us raising our hands and [0:41:44, 0:41:46]: Finding the finances to do it. [0:41:46, 0:41:48]: So thank you. [0:41:49, 0:41:49]: Thank you. [0:41:50, 0:42:02]: Thank you all so much. Uh I I do want to say also thank you to Kira for Miss Braggs for all of the support and all of you as well. Um I mentioned to Mayor Pertem just ten minutes ago that [0:42:03, 0:42:05]: This процес has been um [0:42:06, 0:42:26]: Very I I just celebrated eighteen years with Sky Design and this process has been unlike any other. Your openness to collaborating and your professionalism in ensuring that we get the right designs on the page and that it actually represents you. I fully believe that we couldn't have done this without input and and [0:42:26, 0:42:27]: Yeah. [0:42:28, 0:42:45]: Um, you know, anybody can do a good design, but to do a great one you have to collaborate and and do it well. So thank you as well for giving us this opportunity. Thank you, Miss Braggs, for um proposing the idea that we have these types of discussions before we present formally. It's been a wonderful process. [0:42:45, 0:42:48]: If I could one more comment. [0:42:48, 0:43:08]: Certainly I saw where we went and we were talking about the last boxes uh in terms of uh I think we referred to them as the downtown displays or the digital displays. Yes. Now I saw those and now let me talk about my district a little bit. I would like to see those uh at the Johtaco development and that's [0:43:08, 0:43:28]: What's going to be up to the whole team up here to make sure that because those boxes, we saw those uh when we went to Avalon up in Alpharetta. They're very informative, they're very nice, especially with the digital displays and the direction on them. And as the businesses there could actually use them to for advertisement as well. So those that they have digital boards. [0:43:28, 0:43:47]: boards on them. So I just want to put that out there to my colleagues here to see whether or not when we look at that, uh maybe it's um that we would consider doing that.'Cause that development should be up and running and then being pr very productive uh as we go to downtown. We could do them on a parallel track. But thank you. [0:43:47, 0:43:49]: Thank you all. Awesome. [0:43:50, 0:43:57]: Thank you again for your presentation. You are more than welcome to stay. Um, we don't really have any more items on the agenda. [0:43:57, 0:44:03]: to discuss. So I'll just move forward with reading the upcoming meetings and announcements. [0:44:06, 0:44:15]: Uh we have our citywide development authority meeting second Tuesday of each month at six p.m. City Hall Levi Meeting Room on March 14th. [0:44:15, 0:44:21]: Our city council retreat will be March twentieth through March twenty second of twenty twenty three. [0:44:21, 0:44:25]: We have the downtown development authority meeting at six PM via Zoom. [0:44:25, 0:44:28]: Third Tuesday of each month via Zoom. [0:44:28, 0:44:29]: March twenty first. [0:44:30, 0:44:33]: Review council advisory committee meeting at six thirty PM. [0:44:33, 0:44:37]: Every third Tuesday of each month at the Levi Meeting Room. [0:44:37, 0:44:39]: City Hall, March twenty first. [0:44:40, 0:44:44]: Our planning commission meeting at six thirty PM at City Hall, Council Chamber. [0:44:45, 0:44:46]: Fourth Thursday of each month. [0:44:47, 0:44:48]: March twenty third. [0:44:49, 0:44:51]: Our city council work session meeting. [0:44:51, 0:44:55]: Ласт Туздей в іч монт а сикс пм і Сити Халл Консул Чамбер. [0:44:56, 0:44:57]: We've canceled our [0:44:58, 0:45:03]: work session meeting for March because we all will be travelling. [0:45:04, 0:45:07]: To D C for the National League of Cities. [0:45:09, 0:45:18]: We have our youth council meeting, six thirty PM, second Monday of each month, City Hall at Sevi Levi Meeting Room at City Hall, April tenth. [0:45:19, 0:45:22]: We have the city council meeting the second Monday of each month. [0:45:22, 0:45:25]: At six PM at City Hall, Council Chamber. [0:45:25, 0:45:26]: That's April tenth. [0:45:27, 0:45:32]: Our Main Street advisory board meeting second Friday of each month at nine p nine AM. [0:45:32, 0:45:35]: City Hall Levi Meeting Room april fourteenth. [0:45:36, 0:45:39]: The upcoming city events and initiatives [0:45:39, 0:45:46]: Councilman Blount on Wednesday, March 22nd at the Merrill Manders Conference Center for Bingo from 10 a.m. to noon. [0:45:47, 0:45:50]: Please contact Miss Rawls for more information. [0:45:51, 0:46:02]: A continuous salute to veterans. Please forward pictures of veterans including name, branch, rank, and years of service. Um to council member. [0:46:02, 0:46:03]: Thomas. [0:46:03, 0:46:13]: Presents a special tribute to our local veterans. Pictures should be submitted to Miss Rosalind Rawls at R. Rawls at City of Stockbridge. [0:46:13, 0:46:15]: Hyphen G A dot G O V. [0:46:16, 0:46:17]: And thank you for your service. [0:46:18, 0:46:38]: Um want to ask my councilmates, are there any additional comments, questions? Mayor Protein Barber. Uh yes, Madam Clerk. Okay, have two uh corrections on the announcements. The Main Street Advisory Board now meets at the new welcome center on Martin Luther King. [0:46:38, 0:46:55]: Senior Heritage Trail. That's where they hold their meetings now. And the bingo with Councilman Blount has been changed to March 15th due to the council retreat being taking place on the 22nd. So that event will take place on March 15th. [0:46:56, 0:46:57]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. [0:47:00, 0:47:02]: Councilman Thomas, you had a comment? [0:47:05, 0:47:05]: Oh okay. [0:47:06, 0:47:09]: Councilman Alexander, any last comments? [0:47:09, 0:47:13]: I think um was the Miss Prague still here or she already came? [0:47:13, 0:47:24]: Okay. I know today we um went to uh Mr Horton's funeral uh at um and maybe Miss Holliday might want to speak on that. Can you [0:47:29, 0:47:49]: Yes, today was the service for Mr. Greg Horton. Greg Horton was one of the owners of Barn Beautiful. He passed away a week ago last week. Miss Holliday. Yeah. Um I don't think we can hear you. If you don't mind coming to the podium in the front, please. Thank you. [0:47:57, 0:47:58]: Okay, good evening. [0:47:58, 0:48:04]: Yes, um, Councilman Alexander, thank you for mentioning that we did uh attend a service today. [0:48:05, 0:48:25]: For Mr. Greg Horton. Mr. Horton was a former member of the Main Street Advisory Board. He was a business owner here in the city of Stockbridge as part owner of Barn Beautiful over on ML King Senior Heritage Trail. He was also involved with the CVB and the [0:48:25, 0:48:33]: The arts throughout Henry County. He had a beautiful service. He was a wonderful person, and he will be missed dearly. [0:48:36, 0:48:44]: Thank you for that, Madam Clark. Um it's always uh great to have citizens in our community who are [0:48:44, 0:48:50]: actively involved and engaged with our city and certainly Mr. Horton was just that. [0:48:50, 0:48:52]: Um he brought his unique [0:48:52, 0:48:56]: talent and skills right here to our downtown. He certainly will be missed. [0:48:57, 0:49:09]: My prayers, the council's prayers are extended to he and his family. Um any other comments from my councilmates before we adjourn? [0:49:10, 0:49:11]: Mr. Gardner? [0:49:12, 0:49:12]: No help. [0:49:13, 0:49:17]: Well, if nothing else, thank you all so very much for attending. [0:49:18, 0:49:19]: I'll see you next time. [0:49:20, 0:49:21]: Have a good evening. [0:49:23, 0:49:23]: Yeah.