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--- title: Community Zoning Information Meeting date: 2025-03-12 source: 2025-03-12_Community_Zoning_Information_Meeting.wav --- [0:01:23, 0:01:25]: Anyway, prior prior to this [0:01:31, 0:01:44]: Uh again, this is the CCIM meeting for March twelfth, twenty twenty five. Uh welcome everyone. Thank you for coming here tonight. I'm Linda Logan, Senior Planner. I'm in Planning and Zoning Division of the [0:01:44, 0:01:47]: Community development department here at the city of Stockbridge. [0:01:49, 0:02:08]: CZIM stands for Community Zoning and Information Meeting. The city started holding these meetings last summer when the uh new state uh zoning procedures law uh required uh cities and counties to hold these meetings as a chance for citizens to informally learn about [0:02:08, 0:02:16]: zoning cases uh that have come before the city and are to be decided upon later on by the city council. [0:02:16, 0:02:32]: Um prior to this some some applicants were on their own, were meeting with um uh citizens in holding community meetings uh informally and they still may do so, but this is a chance for everyone to come together here tonight. [0:02:35, 0:02:43]: Again, I'm Linda Logan, senior planner in planning and zoning. I have with me also Gordon Linton, another senior planner. [0:02:43, 0:02:44]: Um [0:02:45, 0:02:46]: Let's first talk about the [0:02:48, 0:03:05]: overview of the zoning process just in general to see her at the city of Stockbridge in case uh some citizens are not familiar with that. So how does all of this start? Well a developer or property owner might be interested in developing a property. Um the [0:03:05, 0:03:09]: Uh if a developer does not already own a property [0:03:09, 0:03:18]: uh then the developer would purchase it or enter into a real estate contract with the owner to purchase the property pending zoning approval by the city of stockbridge. [0:03:18, 0:03:20]: Then a site plan is prepared. [0:03:20, 0:03:21]: And [0:03:22, 0:03:26]: the developer within contact planning zoning staff to request [0:03:26, 0:03:29]: A pre application proposal and learn about the merits of it. [0:03:30, 0:03:33]: Uh and then we would talk about the uh [0:03:35, 0:03:40]: different aspects of it and how likely it'll be to pro to be approved. So, um [0:03:41, 0:03:49]: Then they just later would submit a zoning application to the city. And what is included in that application? Well, this is the application form of c itself. [0:03:49, 0:04:05]: uh various legal documents, the site plan, a survey of the property, um there's some signature pages and so on. Uh the applicant might hire a typically might hire an attorney, a law firm to to represent them, usually for a larger case. [0:04:08, 0:04:14]: So as I said, the community development staff would then conduct a pre application meeting with the with the applicant. [0:04:14, 0:04:28]: um to discuss the merits of the application and then once uh application is submitted um process that and then meet the take different steps to meet the legal advertisement we put it ad in the newspaper [0:04:28, 0:04:30]: Uh uh to peer. [0:04:30, 0:04:32]: At least thirty days before the council meeting. [0:04:32, 0:04:37]: Um we list the zoning cases on the agenda to be uploaded to the city website. [0:04:38, 0:04:58]: Uh we prepare a a letter uh to be mailed out to the surrounding property owners with five within five hundred feet. We prepare it and then the developer actually uh or applicant retypes it on their letterhead and sends it out to citizens. Uh and then of course we post zoning signs on the property. Um [0:04:58, 0:05:17]: to try to notify citizens of upcoming zoning cases. The staff then prepares a zoning staff report to analyze the merits of the application based on the unified development code. That's the zoning regulations, makes recommendations, including usually some conditions of approval. [0:05:23, 0:05:31]: And then next, of course, comes the the public hearing process in the first the three meetings. This is the first one, the CCIM meeting. Next, uh [0:05:31, 0:05:43]: Um m next Thursday, March twenty, is gonna be the Planning Commission meeting. Um this is conducted by the Stock Ridge Planning Commission board members. They'll hear the case and um [0:05:44, 0:05:47]: A public hearing will be conducted, citizens will have a chance to speak. [0:05:48, 0:05:48]: Um [0:05:49, 0:05:51]: Whether they uh are in favor or or [0:05:52, 0:06:00]: Not in favor of the project, and then the board members will hold a discussion and then vote on the case. And their vote though will be a recommendation to city council. [0:06:02, 0:06:16]: And then finally there is the city council meeting. These this case that we're gonna discuss tonight will be held on discussed on the April 14th City Council meeting. All citizens are welcome to attend and speak at these meetings. [0:06:18, 0:06:31]: So we're here tonight to discuss one case, rezoning case number RZ 202502. And this is for property at forty-four eighty-two North Henry Boulevard, which is not far from here. [0:06:34, 0:06:38]: There is a aerial photo of the property. Um [0:06:40, 0:06:58]: We sent letters out to uh with little uh letters with uh this aerial photo attached. And uh the property is located at the end of uh Sarissa Drive to the west, uh North Henry Boulevard to the south, and Man uh B Mann Boulevard is just a block away to the east. [0:07:00, 0:07:01]: It's also across from [0:07:02, 0:07:04]: The ending point of Rock Quarry Road. [0:07:07, 0:07:24]: And now the city of Stockbridge actually owns this property. So um so this is a city initiated rezoning. Parcel number S twenty six oh one oh one four thousand. It has approximately fifteen point four three acres. Um [0:07:24, 0:07:29]: And right now the current zoning is S R, which is suburban residential. [0:07:30, 0:07:37]: And the property also lies within an overlay district known as the downtown village overlay district. [0:07:38, 0:07:46]: typically or uh will always overlay district regulations take priority over a property's base district regulations. [0:07:46, 0:07:51]: And also the property has a future land use designation of downtown district. [0:07:51, 0:07:55]: Uh, that's part of the comprehensive plan future vision for the property. [0:07:58, 0:08:17]: So the purpose of the rezoning request is to rezone the property from the SR Suburban Residential District and the Downtown Villa Village Oval District to PUD, which is the Plan Unit Development District, also seeking master plan approval, and it will keep the same [0:08:17, 0:08:19]: Downtown Village Overlay District as well. [0:08:20, 0:08:23]: So why is the rezoning needed? Well, because [0:08:23, 0:08:29]: The uh uh proposal is to build um not only single family homes but also some town homes. [0:08:30, 0:08:33]: The current zoning does not allow the townhomes. [0:08:33, 0:08:36]: Which is why the property must be rezoned to allow that. [0:08:36, 0:08:37]: Um [0:08:37, 0:08:47]: The PUD district is a type of district which allows two types of land uses to exist on the property at the same time. [0:08:48, 0:08:51]: Um and as I said, the overlay district would stay the same. [0:08:51, 0:08:52]: Um [0:08:53, 0:08:58]: And also the proposed land uses would be compatible with the future land use designation. [0:08:58, 0:09:00]: So that does not need to be changed. [0:09:00, 0:09:02]: Okay, here are some maps. [0:09:03, 0:09:10]: Um the one on the left is zoning district. You see in yellow, that's a suburban residential. [0:09:10, 0:09:17]: And to the right is a overlay district, the um lilac area where the star is, subject property. Here's some enlargements. [0:09:18, 0:09:18]: Right here. [0:09:19, 0:09:27]: You can see the outline of the property better. Um, you have some commer the the pink and red colors are for commercial uses. [0:09:29, 0:09:35]: Uh here is the overlay district of map map again. The pink is the downtown village overlay district. [0:09:35, 0:09:39]: purple area is an a different overlay district known as [0:09:40, 0:09:42]: Yeah, that's okay. I need to see you. [0:09:44, 0:09:47]: Known as the Parkway Mixed Use Overlay District. [0:09:48, 0:09:56]: Um, here's the future land use map. I mentioned the purple area is a downtown district. That's the future land use designation of the property. [0:09:57, 0:10:14]: We have the survey of the property. Now I do have enlargements of some of these slides if you would want me to zoom in on anything. Um here is the proposed site plan. Actually, I think let me let me pull that up. I have I have those open. [0:10:15, 0:10:16]: So let's see here. [0:10:26, 0:10:27]: Well [0:10:33, 0:10:35]: Okay, survey. [0:10:37, 0:10:39]: This is a survey. [0:10:40, 0:10:57]: uh still kind of small. The city actually owns also two these two small parcels down here to the south. They're both zone C two, which is general commercial. City may develop those at some point, but they are not the subject of this rezoning. [0:10:58, 0:11:08]: Okay. Now let's see. Oh the site plan here. Now here is an enlargement of the site plan. So um here North Henry Boulevard is here to the south. [0:11:10, 0:11:16]: The entrance of the property would be here at at the bottom and there would be a monument sign there. [0:11:16, 0:11:27]: And then um several new streets would be built inside. Right here, Street D. This is actually an extension of Sarisi Sari Sarisi Drive. [0:11:27, 0:11:29]: Okay, so that would be extended. [0:11:30, 0:11:30]: Um [0:11:31, 0:11:41]: You have a cul-de-sac ending up here at the top and a detention pond. So the larger, these larger squares, those would be single family detached homes. [0:11:42, 0:11:48]: And then the smaller ones toward the front of the property would be the townhomes. [0:11:49, 0:11:50]: Okay. [0:11:51, 0:11:52]: All right. [0:12:00, 0:12:14]: All right, so let's let's talk a little bit more about the proposed development. Again, it'd be a mixed residential development, 67 total units on 15.43 acres, that would be a density of 4.34 units per acre. [0:12:14, 0:12:15]: Um [0:12:15, 0:12:21]: Forty two townhomes in the front and twenty five single family detached dwellings at the rear. [0:12:21, 0:12:32]: Okay, I mentioned the entrances uh monument sign. Amenities will consist of two landscape areas with pavilions. Um [0:12:32, 0:12:41]: Lot dimensions, single-family lots will be 55 feet wide and 80 feet deep, townhome lots 24 feet wide by 46 feet deep. [0:12:42, 0:12:43]: The setbacks would be [0:12:44, 0:12:46]: Front yard setbacks at least twenty feet. [0:12:47, 0:12:47]: Mm. [0:12:48, 0:12:55]: Um that's what is proposed, even though the PUD dis zoning does not have any specific setback requirements. [0:12:55, 0:12:59]: Um I mentioned the adjoining parcels a moment ago. [0:13:00, 0:13:00]: Mm-hmm. [0:13:01, 0:13:04]: Now what are the next steps for this development? [0:13:04, 0:13:09]: So staff report is to be prepared actually it's been re prepared by the staff. [0:13:10, 0:13:30]: and um whether to recommend approval, denial, approval conditions or so forth, or d or deferral. And it could possibly be conditions of approval. Most of the cases who have which city council has approved have had various conditions of approval that which must be [0:13:29, 0:13:49]: Be met by a developer. So then the March 20 next week Planning Commission and City Council meeting on April 14th. The City of Stockbridge, as owner of the property, must select a developer and a builder who would then provide further details of the site. [0:13:49, 0:14:04]: plan. Of course there will be an engineer and an architect. And then after everything, if if and when zoning is approved, the developer would submit permit applications to the city for review and approval. [0:14:05, 0:14:22]: Okay, so that concludes my presentation. Would any citizens like to ha ask any questions or make comments? And if any any citizens are listening or watching online, they may contact the uh planning and zoning office if they wish. [0:14:30, 0:14:31]: I guess this is the single family. [0:14:34, 0:14:37]: Would you like to come up here and speak? [0:14:39, 0:14:41]: The people who are using oh gosh. [0:14:43, 0:14:44]: I think. [0:14:46, 0:14:51]: Let me pull up the site plan while you since you're asking about that. Since you're asking about that. [0:14:52, 0:14:53]: Here we go. [0:14:54, 0:14:56]: Okay. Let's see. [0:14:58, 0:14:59]: Them out a little bit. [0:15:00, 0:15:11]: Hello. My name is Quisha and I reside in one of the homes that will be affected by the building of this. I was inquiring because this is my property line right there. What are those dots there? [0:15:17, 0:15:20]: Typically they're trees showing a a buffer area. [0:15:21, 0:15:36]: Okay. Also have another question regarding infrastructure. With this then thing leading out to North Henry Boulevard and now the increase of traffic, what do we have regards infrastructure as far as the traffic that will be increased? [0:15:38, 0:15:45]: So no traffic studies been submitted and typically we don't require one for this small of a study. Um [0:15:47, 0:16:02]: Of course that'll be part of the review at the LDP State Land Disturbance Permit stage. Okay. A lot of times um a deceleration lane is required at the entrance of the property, often it would be off North Henry Boulevard leading into the main entrance. [0:16:04, 0:16:15]: I didn't mention that uh water and sewage facilities would be provided by the city's uh public works department. They're currently evaluating to determine whether or not there are [0:16:15, 0:16:35]: Water and sewage facilities already there at the site, or maybe whether they need to be extended. But uh whatever the case may be, developer would have to to do whatever is necessary to meet those requirements. Last question, I'm sorry, and this may not be the meeting for this. Um because this structure and the houses and the three streets are literally running. [0:16:35, 0:16:36]: Through our backyard. [0:16:37, 0:16:41]: Um, will we be given something such as privacy fences or anything? [0:16:44, 0:16:45]: Um [0:16:46, 0:16:55]: I mean that that is a possibility that that could be requested of the developer to be made maybe a c a condition of approval. That's something to think about. [0:16:55, 0:17:02]: Okay. I know I've said last question but I got one more. With the increased blasting at [0:17:02, 0:17:15]: the rock quarry. How would this this development then affect that? Because it's it it in it has intensified um over the last few years. So with building in this area and the blasting where the windows are shaking on the home. [0:17:16, 0:17:17]: How is this going to affect that? [0:17:19, 0:17:21]: You're talking about the construction? [0:17:21, 0:17:23]: The construction or even [0:17:23, 0:17:29]: Additional homes in the area, will that be affected by the blasting that does the Current Rock very weakly? [0:17:30, 0:17:32]: So are you asking about the [0:17:33, 0:17:53]: Work being done to widen Rock Quarry Road and how that's gonna affect the homes or weekly rock quarry affects our homes. The infrastructure, some people are not on the sediment, some people even getting cracks because of the blasting. So we're now building 67, approximately 67 more homes. Right. How does that then affect us? [0:17:53, 0:17:58]: 'Cause the blasting is not going to stop. So what are we putting in place to protect the homes? [0:17:59, 0:18:03]: From the c during the construction process of the development. [0:18:04, 0:18:08]: I can't answer that question. But you know, of course all'cause [0:18:08, 0:18:09]: All construction [0:18:10, 0:18:20]: Amid some noise and fumes and smoke and those kinds of things, uh temporarily. Mm-hmm. Not even the noise and the smoke, and that I guess that'd be a question for [0:18:20, 0:18:32]: the next meeting because we will be affected again because it's literally in our backyards. Um but it's more so with protecting the infrastructures of the home, preventing cracks that are occurring now in our homes. [0:18:32, 0:18:37]: Because of the blasting in Rock Cray, I don't know how a building additional sixty seven homes. [0:18:37, 0:18:39]: is going to then affect [0:18:40, 0:18:41]: I guess the infrastructure. [0:18:42, 0:18:42]: Right. [0:18:44, 0:18:52]: I I can't address the blasting, but you know, um builders are required to put up, for example, silk fences to contain [0:18:52, 0:19:00]: the property while the construction go is going on, you know, to prevent mud and other things from spilling out to adjacent properties. [0:19:02, 0:19:03]: All right. Well thank you. [0:19:08, 0:19:09]: Are there any other comments? [0:19:17, 0:19:26]: Would you like to state your name and oh excuse me, Mo ma'am, would you like to provide your name and address for the record and and fill out a sheet on the clipboard? [0:19:29, 0:19:33]: My name is Quisha Perpal, and my residence is one twenty seven Bryant Street. [0:19:34, 0:19:34]: Thank you. [0:19:35, 0:19:36]: Okay. [0:19:39, 0:19:50]: My name is Richard Ordonas. I live at one one twelve Man Boulevard with my wife. Uh we've lived for over thirty years, so we've seen quite a bit of change in everything. I have some issues concerning um [0:19:51, 0:19:53]: the development behind our house. [0:19:53, 0:20:09]: Um there's a drainage ditch that runs from it's there's a actually there's a underwater creek out in that area and there's a drainage ditch that runs from Man Boulevard that runs back onto our property and then it goes past our neighbor and it curves back to the city property. Um [0:20:10, 0:20:30]: I'm going to need to know the consideration given to the water flow right there during the proposed constructions. And if this housing property project goes through, how will this city protect the families of the children that live there with that creek there? I'm just thinking a safety issue. Also, I think it was previously mentioned, North Henry Boulevard is. [0:20:30, 0:20:50]: Is extremely congested. Oh, has been congested for quite a while. There will be construction vehicles going in and out of this property, right on Demand Boulevard, right by the light at Rock Quarry. That's gonna back up traffic even more in Rock Quarry and North Henry Boulevard, all the way down to Highway 42. [0:20:50, 0:20:55]: If there's a light added in there which would need to be that would still add more delays'cause this construction [0:20:55, 0:21:02]: vehicles would have to come out of that property as a light. And so the that light would delay the other traffic that's going there right now. [0:21:03, 0:21:03]: Um [0:21:05, 0:21:07]: There's power lines back there. [0:21:07, 0:21:27]: that will need to be addressed because those power lines do not run straight back across that property. They're they go left and right and they're curved back around there. The distance between the power lines and our property is minimal. They cannot build anything like a road or anything between the power lines and and man Boulevard because of the distance. So it has to be on the other side. [0:21:27, 0:21:30]: of the um power lines. [0:21:33, 0:21:50]: Rock Quarry Road is slated to be expanded. I've heard four or five lanes. And if the expansion of Rock Quarry coincides with this property um expansion or this development [0:21:51, 0:22:10]: the traffic there would just be nonstop. I mean I've seen the delays, I've seen all the traffic. It would back everything up to Flippin' Road, North Henry, Highway Forty Two South, Eagles Landing and Hudson Bridge. In any situation that causes delays, as is was experienced recently at Eagles Landing in Rock Quarry near the hospital. [0:22:11, 0:22:25]: It affects the entire areas. Everybody has to find alternate routes. And once they try and find those alternate routes, they get backed up Flippin' Road, Forty Two, Hudson Bridge, Eagles Landing, everywhere. Also, there's very, very limited [0:22:26, 0:22:46]: property for wildlife. We have raccoons, we have possums, we have deer in that area. And they come to our property, they come across goes across the street to our neighbor across the street. Um with all the expansions in the city, they're running out of places to be. So that's a possibility that we may destroy that habitat for that wildlife. [0:22:46, 0:22:47]: Yeah. [0:22:48, 0:23:00]: So there's a lot of things I'd like you all to consider, perhaps in your own time look at these things and maybe come to the meeting on March the twentieth um to express your concerns. And um I'll see you there. [0:23:04, 0:23:16]: I'll just make a couple of comments. Um as far as a traffic light, I don't know whether one is gonna be put at the entrance of this development. There's already um traffic light on North Lee Street. [0:23:17, 0:23:18]: Um [0:23:18, 0:23:19]: Nearby [0:23:19, 0:23:24]: The Georgia DOT has certain distance requirements for between traffic lights, so [0:23:24, 0:23:40]: that would be need to be determined whether it was a sufficient distance uh to put a new one in. Um as far as a Georgia Power easement, of course, um, that would should not be disturbed in any way or encroached upon. [0:23:43, 0:23:43]: Um [0:23:44, 0:24:04]: Also I wanna say just in general it's a lot of citizens always concerned about uh traffic uh impacts. There's uh uh state law which says that um traffic impacts and um school impacts cannot legally be a basis for zoning decisions. [0:24:04, 0:24:07]: Even though there may be concerns that that um [0:24:08, 0:24:13]: development cannot be stopped because of traffic that the Georgia DOT does not [0:24:13, 0:24:13]: Um [0:24:14, 0:24:22]: make traffic improvements ahead of time before developments occur. So that's just a a general comment for citizens. [0:24:33, 0:24:53]: Hello, my name is Doug Fodry. Uh, I live at 113 Man Boulevard. The only concerns I really have is I just moved to this property about a year and a half ago. Um is one is the wildlife, uh, because there's about six deer uh that come up from that wild from that green space that [0:24:53, 0:25:07]: that come up through, across my neighbors, up through my property and back around. So my concern is the impact on the wildlife that we have there. And another concern is, is too is [0:25:08, 0:25:09]: Love the amplitude. [0:25:10, 0:25:28]: But the sound barrier that the trees provide, because my he my house is up on a hill. So during a concert season, certain concerts is I can hear the music in my bedroom. So my concern is tearing down all those trees, is that gonna increase the sound? [0:25:28, 0:25:37]: on my property. So is there, you know, that's my that's my concern of cutting all those trees down. That's gonna cut out that sound barrier from the amplitude itself. [0:25:37, 0:25:47]: 'Cause sometimes those concerts do run late at night and they do get loud. So that's my concern as one of the wildlife and the sound bearer for the amphitheater. Thank you. [0:25:49, 0:25:53]: Okay, thank you. Any other comments or questions? [0:26:09, 0:26:23]: Hi there. I'm Reba Ordonas. I live at one twelve Man Boulevard and I'm looking at the uh schematic and it says that there'll be a Main Street that would run [0:26:25, 0:26:35]: between the housing and our property, uh backing up to our property, what kind of easement is going to be [0:26:35, 0:26:41]: held from our property to the construction and of course the easement of the Georgia Power [0:26:41, 0:27:01]: Uh lines are going through that easement, also right through here. Um, the other concerns I have for the rapid building that's going on in in Stockbridge City is one, infrastructure and two, school zones for the number of housing. [0:27:01, 0:27:04]: that's being built pretty rapidly. [0:27:05, 0:27:25]: And what are the plans of the city to accommodate those? So I hope to hear more about that in the upcoming meeting. Um but I do have concerns about this natural stream that runs between my property and the property that's uh the city owns and the development that is uh about to probably take place. [0:27:25, 0:27:26]: Thank you. [0:27:30, 0:27:36]: Thank you. I cannot a address all those comments, but maybe at the next meeting we'll be able to do so. [0:27:40, 0:27:42]: Would anyone else like to speak? [0:27:47, 0:27:51]: Okay. Uh as I mentioned the upcoming public meetings [0:27:51, 0:28:11]: uh Thursday, March twenty. Now that meeting starts at six thirty and then the city council meeting on Monday, April 14 at 6 o'clock. Uh and then um a month from now we'll have another CZIM meeting on Wednesday, April 9th, 6 o'clock, and that will be for other new zoning cases. [0:28:11, 0:28:14]: that we may be discussing and reviewing [0:28:15, 0:28:34]: And sometimes we also discuss other matters besides zoning cases. For example, recently city adopted new uh zoning and land use maps. So those were the subject of public hearings as well. So occasionally there are other things, but most of the time we discuss zoning cases. [0:28:35, 0:28:35]: Okay. [0:28:40, 0:28:47]: All right, if no one has anything else to say that concludes our meeting tonight. And uh [0:28:48, 0:28:49]: Thank you for coming. We adjourn. [0:28:55, 0:28:58]: Everyone please fill out a clipful. [0:28:58, 0:29:09]: Yeah, the yellows. Are there enough sheets there? Do we need to fill them out for the next meeting or this is meet this for this? Each meeting has a sheet.

--- title: Urban Redevelopment Agency date: 2025-02-10 source: 2025-02-10_Urban_Redevelopment_Agency.wav --- [0:00:15, 0:00:35]: Um so as soon I get an idea that we're actually live, we want to make sure we put this on our website and then we'll get started at least uh and wait for the rest of my teammates to be here so we have some other official business. And by the way, once this is all done or ceremonial piece, you want to welcome stay as long as you like. It's a public agency, stay at the moment. [0:00:35, 0:00:46]: you know, see what's going on and then more help and do that. Originally you said you had five thirty originally, is that what you said? Five thirty and five hundred right? [0:00:48, 0:00:57]: Okay, we're we're live now? Yeah, okay. All right. Well I'll tell you what, um ladies, why don't you why don't you come on up and uh we're gonna get this started. [0:01:02, 0:01:04]: Uh Miss uh Barber, you wanna join me down here? [0:01:08, 0:01:11]: Okay, fine. Um ladies, I want you to come on this side, please. [0:01:17, 0:01:31]: I'm let me before I get started, just let me ask you this. Anybody else is anybody else that was coming to see you get sworn, are they here yet or is right everybody everybody's here? Okay. And ri I'll wait a second, let's you go okay and get in here. [0:01:33, 0:01:38]: All right, that's uh a friend, family, your daughter. How you doing, daughter? [0:01:39, 0:01:40]: Okay. [0:01:41, 0:02:01]: Oh it is it it oh yeah. I should have recognized that. Absolutely. Well what welcome back to see your mom get sworn in. Oh okay, I absolutely ladies if you can get side by side, just side by side. Uh come come on come on this way. No, no, face on before face me. Okay. All right, so we'll do this. Raise your right hand please. Okay, and uh um I'll read it slowly. [0:02:01, 0:02:21]: So you can repeat after me. Aye and state your name. I Aisha Gambles. Committee member. Committee member. Do solemnly swear and affirm. Do solemnly swear and affirm. That I will faithfully perform. That I will faithfully perform. The duties of the youth council advisory committee. The duties of the youth council advisory committee. Of the city of Stockbridge. Of the city of Stockbridge. And that I will to the best of my ability. [0:02:21, 0:02:41]: To the best of my ability. Support and defend. Support and defend. The charter thereof. The charter thereof. As well as the constitution. As well as the constitution. And laws of the state of Georgia. And laws of the state of Georgia. And the United States of America. And the United States of America. I further affirm that. I further affirm that. Upon assumption of this office. Upon assumption of this office. I do not hold any understanding. [0:02:41, 0:03:01]: Unaccounted for public money. Any unaccounted for public money. Do unpayable to the state. Doing payable to the state. Any political subdivision of the state. Any political subdivision of the state. The city of Stockbridge. The city of Stockbridge. Or any authority thereof. Or any authority thereof. Nor do I hold. Nor do I hold any other office of trust of the government of the United States. [0:03:01, 0:03:21]: States by the government of the United States of this state of this state or any foreign state as prescribed by the law of the state of Georgia by the law of the state of Georgia. I will perform the duties of my office in the best interest of the city of Stockbridge to the best of my ability without fear. [0:03:20, 0:03:39]: Without fear. Favor. Favor. Affection. Affection. Reward. Reward. Right. Expectation thereof. Or expectation thereof. It's the tenth day of February 2020. And whenever I do this, you have the floor. If any of you want to make any comments in reference to your new appointment, please have that. Any anyone at any what do you want to say? [0:03:45, 0:03:50]: Okay. This is yours here. This is here. [0:03:53, 0:03:57]: What's on that? [0:03:59, 0:04:01]: Just slide. No, no, you got two of them. [0:04:10, 0:04:13]: Okay, Ms. Jones? Yes. [0:04:18, 0:04:20]: Yeah, there's two of'em, one right underneath there as well. [0:04:26, 0:04:28]: Of course let me send this one a s [0:04:34, 0:04:37]: Okay, Ms. Bengalwell? Right, we signed yours as well. [0:04:41, 0:05:01]: Anybody you any I mean you don't have to, I'm just of offering you got you have to s it's t two of them, I think. You have to sign two. It's one right there as well. And once you sign these, Miss uh Anessa Holiday assigned it as well and she'll be able to give you a copy that we have them for a file. But um if you have no comments, it's fine. I just want to offer the floor to you if you need and p okay she's got that. You can take a we'll take a picture. [0:05:01, 0:05:01]: Yeah. [0:05:02, 0:05:07]: The brightness and right here should be fine. Is this good? Okay. [0:05:16, 0:05:23]: Thank you. Once again, thank you very much. Thank you for serving on the council there. And this is really fantastic. It's great. [0:05:23, 0:05:35]: She went through and moms come there doing the bottom, that's good stuff. Okay. Okay, yeah, we need to make it a little bit more. So listen. [0:05:38, 0:05:45]: Yeah. I'll stay on the end of the different okay. This this is it? [0:05:49, 0:05:55]: [358.2, 362.1]: All right. Good deal. All right. Okay. [0:06:29, 0:06:30]: Alright, well. [0:06:30, 0:06:33]: What I actually have here, ladies and gentlemen, is uh [0:06:33, 0:06:53]: The proclamation for Black History One. All right, now what I'd like to say to you all is that uh the city of Stockbridge for many, many years has given out proclamations and we do an I think do an excellent job of this because our clerk and her staff make sure that all the proclamations are framed. Okay. [0:06:53, 0:07:13]: So all the proclamations for every every time we get one out is framed. Uh we we want to honor our diversity in our community. So this is Black History Month, and we'll have special expert uh uh expressions and gratitude for Hispanics and Asians and LDB TQ, whatever domestic violence, whatever the case maybe we always do [0:07:13, 0:07:33]: That and we'll continue to do that in the studio stop raising to honor our diverse community and uh and recognize them in this aspect. So this is Black History Month, all right? Whereas in 1915, uh Dr. Carter Goodwin Woodson, noted black scholar, the son of former slaves, founded the Association of Study of Negro Life and History. [0:07:33, 0:07:53]: Which was later renamed the Association of Study of African Americans' Life and History, A-S-A-L-H. And whereas each February National Black History once serves as both a celebration and a powerful reminder that Black history is American history, black culture is American culture, and black stories are essential to ongoing story in America. Our faults are struggled. [0:07:53, 0:08:13]: Our progress and our aspirations. Whereas during National Black History Month, we celebrate the legacy of Black Americans whose power to lead, to overcome, expand the meaning and practice of American democracy has helped our nation become more fair and just society. Whereas the 2025 Black History Month theme, African Americans and Labor highlights [0:08:13, 0:08:33]: Celebrates the significant contribution of African Americans with all occupations for service and by acknowledging their past labor struggles. Whereas the struggles and challenges of Black American story to make a way out of no way have been a crucial, crucial, whereas our resolve and field division has most often been tested. [0:08:33, 0:08:53]: Testimony. Whereas Black America struggles for freedom, equal treatment, and the right to vote, for equal opportunities in education, housing, and workplace, for economic opportunity, equal justice, and political representation, and also much more have reformed our democracy far beyond the founding of America. Black Americans have made a way not only for [0:08:53, 0:09:13]: For themselves, but also have helped build a highway for millions of women, immigrants, historically marginalized communities, allowing Americans to move fully and fully fully experience the benefits of our society. And our for I have to miss for our virtual authority vests to me, the American City of Star Village, Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members Elton Alison and your London Department of Kyle Fair. [0:09:13, 0:09:33]: Keys again and Alfonso Thomas, who hereby proclaim February 2025 as National Black History Month, and we recall all public officials, educators, librarians, and others to observe with relevant programs, ceremonies, and activities. And witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand in Grace Seal City, Starbucks, Georgia on the 10th day of February, year of our Lord, 2008. [0:09:33, 0:09:49]: and twenty five and a sign of proclamation law we're up to when it's a holiday so I just want to make sure I say that for you all. Yeah all those anybody's interested come on up come on up. [0:09:50, 0:09:52]: Here it's one. [0:09:53, 0:09:58]: Matter of fact, uh I'm gonna give this to you. You come here and sit down in the middle, I'm gonna have to give that to you, okay? [0:10:00, 0:10:01]: Come on, folks. [0:10:03, 0:10:21]: We might have to double up some a little bit. Some might want to come down this this way. Come come one. Yeah next you might yeah, come on down here a little bit. Yeah, we got never to join you. Okay. Do we good here? [0:10:23, 0:10:43]: Y'all can get two. As a matter of fact, if you don't want if you don't mind that's right, you'll give y'all let it play. Okay, hold hold it. [0:10:43, 0:10:49]: The end point? I know? Okay. Okay. Is that really pictures? Yes. Okay. Okay. [0:11:03, 0:11:10]: And then I'll bring me a four and you add it or we just say have you like history? Sure. Okay, I'm pretty unless you're a rehearsal person. [0:11:12, 0:11:16]: One, two, three. Happy Black History! [0:11:23, 0:11:31]: Happy black history! Alright, thank you very much, appreciate it. [0:11:31, 0:11:50]: Good day. No problem. So you're more than welcome to stay for it. Probably meetings when we get started. More than welcome. Matter of fact, matter of fact, you can keep that. Oh nice. It's yours. It's your sir. Okay, it's okay. Okay. [0:11:57, 0:12:08]: Awesome. But [0:12:10, 0:12:14]: [735.6, 741.7]: Yeah, I'm just um I I actually wanted to put five. [0:12:22, 0:12:30]: I was right, right? [0:12:35, 0:12:43]: [773.3, 780.0]: Okay, sort of so I know we've got the nice. Okay. Okay, absolutely. [0:13:00, 0:13:01]: So [0:13:06, 0:13:09]: I'm going to [0:13:31, 0:13:33]: So just it's a beginning to make. [0:13:35, 0:13:36]: Turn here as well. [0:13:43, 0:13:46]: Thank you for your support. Okay. [0:13:48, 0:13:51]: Yes, uh [0:16:13, 0:16:27]: And I believe we're still on, but if we're still on, I wanna let you know, ladies and gentlemen, that a URA meeting would be it's gonna be postponed until another date. We'll let you know when a public meeting will be held. We plan to start our regular council meeting for the month of uh February on time at six o'clock. Thank you.

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2025-02-10 source: 2025-02-10_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:02:41, 0:02:43]: All right, ladies and gentlemen. I have uh six o'clock. [0:02:44, 0:02:45]: So I would like to uh [0:02:46, 0:02:49]: Call a Monday, February tenth meeting to order. [0:02:50, 0:02:54]: And on that note, please stand for the invocation. Uh Councilman Berry, please. [0:02:56, 0:03:16]: Let us bow our heads. Eternal God, our Father, we thank you tonight. We thank you, Lord, for allowing us, God, just this space to discuss the business and the meetings, Lord God, for the citizens and the city of Stockbridge. Lord God, we ask that you would govern us and order our footsteps in your word, Lord God. That Lord God we will look up into the hills from which cometh our help, knowing that all of our help cometh. [0:03:16, 0:03:36]: From you. And tonight, Lord God, we pray, Lord God, for wisdom, guidance, and peace. All this in the name of your son Jesus Christ, we pray. Amen. Amen. We're gonna pledge allegiance here. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation, under that. [0:03:36, 0:03:40]: Indivisible. With liberty just for the same thing. [0:03:40, 0:03:42]: Roll call, please, Madam Clerk. [0:03:46, 0:03:48]: Evening. Present. [0:03:51, 0:03:52]: Present. [0:03:55, 0:03:55]: Present. [0:04:01, 0:04:03]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate that. [0:04:03, 0:04:05]: Councilman Berry, sir, you have an amendment? [0:04:07, 0:04:07]: Yes. [0:04:07, 0:04:20]: Ms. Mayor, uh I wanna make a move that we amend to bring executive session up closer into the agenda first so that we can discuss legal, real estate and personnel matters. [0:04:20, 0:04:21]: Is there a second? [0:04:21, 0:04:25]: So moved. Okay. I may second. Okay, thank you very much. All in favor, please indicate. [0:04:26, 0:04:33]: All right, I'm gonna put that uh after our consent agenda right before we get into old business. It'll be a second session. [0:04:33, 0:04:34]: There as well. [0:04:35, 0:04:36]: Okay. [0:04:37, 0:04:41]: Now we need a motion to adopt the rest of the agenda, please. Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. [0:04:41, 0:04:45]: I'd like to make a request to amend the agenda. Okay. [0:04:46, 0:04:59]: As I emailed all of you, I wanted to amend the agenda to discuss a new policy or ordinance similar to the program that the city of South Fulton has implemented, the Code CARES program. [0:05:00, 0:05:02]: All right. Is there a second to that uh motion? [0:05:04, 0:05:06]: Is there a second to the motion? [0:05:06, 0:05:07]: Exactly. [0:05:07, 0:05:11]: You must bear second that. All in favor, please indicate. [0:05:13, 0:05:33]: Let me have a clarification really quick if I could. Okay. Okay, sir, go ahead please. So Miss Barber, if you would, we gave the chief six months to come up with a program. I'm sorry, Councilman Alexander, this is to amend the agenda to have the discussions. [0:05:33, 0:05:42]: Your questions can be addressed during the discussion. Well if you want me to address the question. So I just want to add this item to the agenda. [0:05:43, 0:05:47]: All right. Motion been made and seconded. So all in favor of the motion please indicate. [0:05:49, 0:05:57]: All in favor of the motion, please indicate. Motion motion fails. All right. Now I need a motion to uh adopt the rest of the agenda uh for this evening, please. [0:06:00, 0:06:02]: I mean so I think is your second. [0:06:03, 0:06:06]: Second. Okay, ms Mr. Berry, second dad. All fair, please indicate. [0:06:07, 0:06:27]: All right, thank you very much. On that note, uh earlier part of the uh evening and we gave the ceremonial review and that was dealing with Black History Month, the proclamation. What I mentioned to the uh individuals that were here earlier is that we in the city Stockbridge have given out proclamations, having given out proclamations all year long for all different types of [0:06:27, 0:06:47]: uh individuals and and uh I guess you say support and assistance to whether it's domestic uh violence month and whether it deals with any other uh nationalities or ethnicities in our community, uh Hispanic Heritage Month, Pacific uh Asian Month, um the once again domestic violence, women's history month. [0:06:47, 0:06:53]: We've always done it, we will continue to do that to support and and acknowledge our community and diversity of our community. [0:06:54, 0:07:14]: Uh so I want you to know that um that we would kind of do that. And actually when we give our proclamations, whether it's here or any other individuals, uh our clerk office does an excellent job because they're always framed. All right, so that's that's a that's a special thing that we do. So we will continue to do that and to uh honor our individuals and uh and our diversity. [0:07:13, 0:07:28]: Within our community. Outside of that, I swore in three individuals to the Stockbridge Youth Council, Ms. Candace Jones, Georgia McIntyre, and Alicia Gables, and they're going to join the youth council. So we accomplished that. [0:07:28, 0:07:30]: Ms. Holliday, do we have any public comments at all? [0:07:34, 0:07:36]: Ms. Do we have any public comments at all? [0:07:47, 0:07:48]: Yeah. [0:07:50, 0:07:51]: Mm-hmm. [0:08:08, 0:08:26]: Okay, thank you, madam clerk. Appreciate that. Council, I have the option of minutes. Uh that's January eighth, twenty twenty-five, the council retreat minutes, January thirteenth, twenty twenty-five, the council minute uh meeting minutes, and also the work session meeting minutes on January twenty eighth. I have a motion to approve those, please. Okay, Mr. Berry to Mr. Alexander. All in favor, please indicate. [0:08:28, 0:08:36]: Okay. Uh you there's staining yes ma'am. Um I did not attend the retreat. [0:08:36, 0:08:42]: I was gonna ask if you could call for a vote with each of these meeting minutes separately. [0:08:44, 0:08:52]: All right, we can do that. What what okay. Okay, the adoption of the January eighth, uh, twenty twenty five council retreat minutes. Uh I need a motion to accept that. [0:08:53, 0:08:56]: Mr. Berry? Second. Okay, Mr. Alzheimer's. Are you all in favor, please indicate? [0:08:59, 0:09:00]: Epstein. [0:09:00, 0:09:01]: I'm sorry? [0:09:02, 0:09:02]: I'm sorry? [0:09:03, 0:09:04]: I can vote. [0:09:04, 0:09:05]: Okay. [0:09:09, 0:09:17]: Well actually I guess that is correct. You know, I'll vote to approve the minutes. Thank you, sir. I'll vote to approve the minutes. [0:09:17, 0:09:19]: Yes, ma'am. [0:09:20, 0:09:23]: [563.5, 566.1]: As votes. It's almost as if we're not here. [0:09:27, 0:09:47]: It has to be two who opposed and two who approved. Okay, so do you opposing or approving? Are you opposing or abstaining? I am abstaining. Okay, so then I don't have a t I don't okay. There is no tie. Okay. I got it. Understand? Got it? But you can consult with the city's legal attorney? No, I don't need no, I don't need to do that. I got it. If you you if you [0:09:47, 0:09:52]: You're standing, you're abstanding. All right? No problem. So otherwise on that, ladies and gentlemen, not [0:09:54, 0:09:54]: Miskat. [0:09:55, 0:10:15]: Mayor for even from my understanding through legal and one of the GMA classes I just took, by the way, that even though I didn't attend the meeting, as long as my colleagues are agreeing that these are the things that are taking place, I can vote in the affirmative You you could. And so I'm gonna go ahead and vote affirmative. I I'll let it pass. [0:10:15, 0:10:24]: Now we're going to adoption of the January 13 minutes, 2025, Council meeting minutes. All in favor, please indicate? Well, first of all, as I'm sorry, is the move? Okay. [0:10:25, 0:10:25]: Mr. [0:10:25, 0:10:28]: Okay, from Mr Alexander Mr. Barrett, please indicate. [0:10:28, 0:10:40]: All right. United decision and also January not twenty sixth, excuse me, January twenty eighth, twenty twenty five, council work session minutes. I need a motion to accept that. Is there a second? Second. Okay from Miss Gantt to Mr. Dallas and I'm fair, please indicate. [0:10:40, 0:10:42]: Okay, now she says, All right. [0:10:42, 0:10:42]: No [0:10:43, 0:10:44]: We good now, Madam Clerk? [0:10:45, 0:11:05]: Thank you very much. Okay, consent agenda. We have a council of consideration appoint a member of the Stockbridge Youth Council Advisory Committee for a two-year term. That's Dr. Elisa Green, and also Council of Consideration appoint a member of Stockbridge Public Facility Authority Board for a four-year term. And that's Miss Talisa Toseka. [0:11:05, 0:11:07]: Thomas, if I got it spelled right or pronounced right. [0:11:07, 0:11:20]: Um that's on the consent agenda. If there is no problem with that, I need a motion to accept these two ladies to join these committees. So moved. Is there a second? I second. Okay, from uh Ms. Gat to Mr. Berry. All in favor, please indicate. [0:11:21, 0:11:24]: Okay, now it's the season. Okay, fantastic. We'll move on. And now [0:11:25, 0:11:28]: Now we're going to a second session. I need a motion to go into second session, please. [0:11:30, 0:11:42]: Mayor, I move that we go into executive session for um litigation personnel and real estate. Thank you very much. Is there a second? Sir. Mr. Alzheimer's second. All favor, please indicate. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back. Thank you. [0:11:50, 0:11:54]: Yeah, and that was gonna go to the I do I think. [0:12:03, 0:12:05]: Got it. [0:12:06, 0:12:08]: Oh who is it? Come on now. [0:12:20, 0:12:25]: I tell you what. Um all right, council, I need a motion to end our executive session, please. [0:12:26, 0:12:30]: So moved. There's Ms. Bar from Ms. Canton, Ms. Bar, all in favor, please indicate. [0:12:31, 0:12:41]: Now I need a motion to reconvene our council meeting. So moved. Okay. Ms. Barber second that as well. All in favor, please indicate. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, we'll move on. Uh oh by the way, we have nothing to [0:12:41, 0:13:01]: Audience, we have nothing to report from our second session at this time. So we'll move on with our old business, which deals with a special use permit case sp-2024-02, located in Council District 4. Note this is be considered as a board vote only once um only once the public hearing is already held in November 12th, 2024. [0:13:01, 0:13:10]: Consideration of special use permit request is to allow a liquor store on the property of 106 Rock Croy Road. Applicant GRP LLC agent [0:13:10, 0:13:27]: Okay, Mr. Patel. And the first name is Homdinger for me to r try to pronounce here. The probably located landlock sixty two of District twelve contains point uh zero uh excuse me, point uh eight nine acres. Mr Anderson, please. Uh Mayor, no. Yes. [0:13:27, 0:13:33]: I'm sorry. Can I get the vote count for my request to amend tonight's meeting agenda? [0:13:34, 0:13:43]: I know that it was seconded. I know the motion failed. But I wanted to I didn't get the vote of Councilwoman Gantt or Councilman Alexander. [0:13:44, 0:14:04]: Did they abstain? No. Did they oppose? No, no. I just didn't. Two to two. No, no, no. It's the one the one you uh you abstained from one. What the first one that came up, then what happened is that then then Ms. Gantton voted. So it's three zero one on that first one. Everybody on the first you're talking about for the meeting minutes. No, sir. I'm talking about my motion. [0:14:04, 0:14:05]: Right. [0:14:05, 0:14:07]: To amend tonight's agenda. [0:14:07, 0:14:10]: To discuss the code care's policy. [0:14:11, 0:14:25]: I made the motion. I don't think the motion was Mr. Berry seconded the motion. I just want to hear what the clerk had in reference to Councilwoman Gantt and Councilman Alexander's vote. That's all. [0:14:27, 0:14:33]: Okay, so how do we know if it failed or hold hold a second let miss Gray Miss Holdi? [0:14:42, 0:14:43]: Todo [0:14:45, 0:14:53]: You voted in favor as well? Oh you did vote in favor? I voted I saw that you seconded the motion, but I did not see where there were any vote. [0:14:54, 0:14:55]: Oh, I select the hand holder. [0:14:55, 0:15:04]: So may I ask Councilwoman Gantt and Councilman Alexander what their vote is? The vote. Whether they're abstaining or opposing. [0:15:06, 0:15:19]: I asked for more information initially I said that I would vote against it because I did not have the information that I had requested. Okay, so and Miss Cand, I would think uh [0:15:21, 0:15:22]: Well, honestly [0:15:24, 0:15:32]: I thought that this wasn't the right day and time to discuss it. I think that if you're gonna discuss it maybe in work session w we have a [0:15:33, 0:15:36]: quite lengthy public hearing agenda. [0:15:36, 0:15:45]: In addition to that, we did already speak with the police department and allow them to have six months to get [0:15:46, 0:15:49]: their program and process in order [0:15:49, 0:16:09]: So I wanna give them that opportunity that I actually I was actually the person who asked that uh that we give them that chance. So I wanna give them that opportunity to get that in order first. Um but I uh that was number one and number two, I just think that it should be on the work session agenda. Right. [0:16:09, 0:16:16]: So otherwise, uh Ms. Mr. Washington, it looks like we have a, I mean, I thought we documented this, it looks like we had a two-two tie on this. [0:16:17, 0:16:25]: All right, so if that's a two two tie then uh if that's the case. I just need clarity on what their vote is. Are you opposing amending the agenda? [0:16:25, 0:16:28]: Are you abstaining from amending the agenda? [0:16:28, 0:16:48]: In adding this item for discussion or not, that's that's all I want. Just clarity. What on what their votes are. You the motion was made by you, second by Mr. Berry. You and Mr. Berry voted uh affirmative, why now Ms. Gantt and Mr. Alexander voted uh down. And so two times. Yes by opposing? Yeah. I opposed for today. Okay. I I did. [0:16:48, 0:16:53]: Okay, so I'll just bring it back during the work session. [0:16:53, 0:16:54]: Thank you. [0:16:54, 0:16:57]: Well wait a minute. Is it is it not a two two tie? [0:16:57, 0:17:03]: Okay, then I I vote to turn it down as well, make a three two. That's my vote, and then let's move on. Okay? Three two and let's move on. [0:17:03, 0:17:12]: I Mr. Anderson, it's on you, sir. Uh at the last council meeting we had um we had the public hearing process uh for this item and all that is left is uh the vote. [0:17:14, 0:17:22]: Okay. Uh I any pr other presentation, d uh any other attorneys or any other information for presentation on this issue? [0:17:22, 0:17:23]: Voilà, make a vote? [0:17:24, 0:17:25]: Did you want to come forward, ma'am? [0:17:26, 0:17:27]: Okay, name and address please. [0:17:29, 0:17:49]: Lisa Moore shower for Mr. Patel and his entity. Um we would like very I'm sorry. Is it is it on? I just wasn't near it. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Um I did send a chronology of based on the last council meeting when y'all asked some questions. I sent a chronology of I went through all [0:17:48, 0:18:08]: The ordinances that were related to the lottery, and I sent a chronology with all the times that I thought were important for you to understand what had happened. Um, so in March, March 26th, 2024, the city council voted through an ordinance to um ordinance number OR 24560 to um enact a lottery to allow for [0:18:08, 0:18:28]: To allow two more licenses for the city because the population had grown and that's what your code says. So I gave um I don't know if you have the exhibits, but A and B, one A is the minutes of the meeting and B is the actual certified copy of the ordinance, which we which we've gotten from the clerk's office. [0:18:28, 0:18:48]: And then on April 6th, based on that ordinance, um there was a legal advertisement stating this stating the streets for which the licenses would actually be allowed to be applied for. So in the legal ad on April 6, 2024, it specifically said Rock Quarry Road and Jo Jodico would be the two streets. [0:18:48, 0:18:50]: Про впливаються воді акте. [0:18:51, 0:18:53]: Анден африта хапан. [0:18:53, 0:19:13]: The city did some additional um notices to the applicants, potential applicant pool who were going to apply for the licenses. And then there there was some information put on the website on April 17th, 2024. And then on May 1st, 2024, my clients applied for a spot on 106 Rock Court. [0:19:13, 0:19:28]: Road in in compliance with what the ad had said and what the information from the city had said. And then on May 3rd, 2024, another second notice went out to the applicant pool with some additional information from the city. [0:19:29, 0:19:32]: And I didn't give you that information in your pac in the packet, but um [0:19:32, 0:19:43]: But it did mention that there had to be a specific address in the applications that were submitted to the city. And my client had put his address in there, but I think the city had had gotten some [0:19:43, 0:19:46]: Аплікація з дитинтам. [0:19:46, 0:19:53]: And that wouldn't wouldn't be very helpful as you're s pursuing and parsing through the applications to figure out which one would meet. [0:19:53, 0:19:55]: And comply with the code section. [0:19:56, 0:20:03]: So then on June seventh, all the applications had to be filed by the end of the business day. And my clients had already been filed, so he was in. [0:20:03, 0:20:08]: And then on July thirtieth of twenty twenty four this council had a meeting. [0:20:08, 0:20:18]: um where it enacted um two things it enacted an ordinance um or twenty four seventeen twenty four which expressly approved [0:20:18, 0:20:38]: Rock Quarry Road and Jodico Road as the two locations for which additional applications would be accepted for alcohol licenses. And they're listed in the code in that legislation. They're named in it. And then there was a resolution, R241724, which specifically approved Mr. Patel, my client, and another [0:20:38, 0:20:58]: Another Mr. Patel's applications for processing. So that night was really important for my client because y'all voted for those two locations to be on those streets, those two new locations to be on Jodico or Rock Quarry Road. And my client is on Rock Quarry and he's in the in the area which was allowed and approved. And that was one of the things. [0:20:58, 0:21:18]: That came up last or the main thing that came up last at last city council meeting was that Councilmember Barber said she didn't know that that was that the address was uh approved, but it was done through an ordinance and it was voted on unanimously and it was listed in the legislation. So I and my applic my client's application also listed the code. [0:21:18, 0:21:20]: I mean the address. [0:21:20, 0:21:40]: And the legal ad also had the address. So I think there's a a lot of information that was given about which addresses could be could be utilized or which streets could be utilized for new licenses. Um so that so there was also a question from um Councilmember Gantt about the work on the property. I also submitted an email um from [0:21:40, 0:22:00]: My client to Ryan Anderson that some said that um no he had done no work outside uh I'm sorry, no work inside the property. He only had done work outside the property with with now he's got the tree permit um that he needed to get for the the business that was cutting the trees down. So no work has been done that was not permitted. [0:21:59, 0:22:07]: I just wanted to be make make that clear. And I submitted pictures of what had happened in the back. And that's the only work that's happened. So [0:22:08, 0:22:22]: I I'm happy to answer more questions, but we feel like if if you don't approve this application, you're violating constitutional rights of my client. I've I've submitted an um constitutional objection statement, but I think that it would be [0:22:22, 0:22:42]: A going against your own code, which you've already approved and legislated, you've approved these two locations. My client meets those requirements. He meets all the requirements of the alcohol code as well. Um, I know he still has to go through that process, but this SUP is the beginning of that process, and y'all approved, you have opened it up to get. [0:22:42, 0:22:52]: two new licenses and my client applied for one of the spots that's legal for your city because you approved it. Y'all you have already approved this location as being [0:22:52, 0:23:12]: uh in the street or on the street that was approved for a license for a new license. So it would be unconstitutionally um violative of his rights, his due process rights, his equal protection rights. It would be a taking of his property. It would be in violation of your your duties as council members to deny it based on the based on the [0:23:12, 0:23:27]: the location for sure. And I've I've said everything else in my uh statement of objections a couple of times ago that I submitted. So I think I'm I'm done unless you have questions. Well right. So any questions at all, Council? [0:23:28, 0:23:29]: Anybody? [0:23:31, 0:23:34]: Okay, no questions. Is there a motion to uh approve this or not? [0:23:37, 0:23:48]: And I just want to make sure my new documents get into the record. I did give them to our c your clerk. All right. But it's um a memo it's a memo I wrote with the timeline and then exhibits A through F. [0:23:50, 0:23:52]: I need a motion to approve or deny. [0:23:54, 0:24:12]: Sir. Yes, sir. I'll make a motion to I make a motion to deny this application that has been brought forth to us. Um and that's my motion. Thank you. Is there a second of the motion? Second. Mr. Berry, second. All favor please indicate. [0:24:13, 0:24:14]: Nam's decision. [0:24:15, 0:24:15]: Is denied. [0:24:16, 0:24:17]: Thank you. [0:24:18, 0:24:18]: Public hearing. [0:24:21, 0:24:32]: Please mute uh all cell phones or other electronic devices. If anyone wishes to speak tonight on a public hearing item, please fill out the form available on the table and hand it to the city clerk before approaching the podium. [0:24:33, 0:24:44]: After each case is called the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant of or their representative regarding the proposed plans for property along with or any other relevant information. [0:24:44, 0:24:54]: The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor or oppose the case will have the opportunity to do so. [0:24:54, 0:24:59]: Each side will be allotted ten minutes total. Additional time may be extended at the discretion of the council. 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The applicant may reserve part of his or her speaking time as a rebuttal and may speak next and last and may use the [0:25:48, 0:25:51]: the entire ten minutes allow for the pro side of the application. [0:25:51, 0:25:56]: If questions are raised, the council may ask the applicant to address these questions and and or concerns. [0:25:56, 0:25:58]: The presiding officer will call for a motion. [0:25:59, 0:26:08]: And a second to the motion and have any necessary discussion. If the matter is not tabled, presiding officer will call for a vote to recommend approval or denial of the request. [0:26:10, 0:26:12]: First item for public hearing. [0:26:12, 0:26:13]: Item number four. [0:26:13, 0:26:18]: The docket is adoption of the twenty twenty five official zoning and land use map. [0:26:18, 0:26:19]: Citywide. [0:26:20, 0:26:40]: Consider me consideration and adoption of the twenty twenty five official zoning map and twenty twenty-five future land use map to be a compliance with the Unified Development Code, UDC, which includes the city zoning ordinance. Mr. Ryan, please. Excuse me, Mr. Anderson, please. Uh what I have before you tonight is um [0:26:40, 0:26:52]: the recent changes to our all the recent rezonings, um land use changes and an annexations that have occurred since the last time we adopted the zoning maps. So [0:26:53, 0:27:13]: On what you see on the screen is the list of is uh a spreadsheet of all the changes. All these changes were approved by council through rezoning, um, annexations, and um land use changes. So all I'm all I'm doing come all I'm all I'm doing tonight is coming before you to ask you to adopt uh the twenty twenty [0:27:13, 0:27:15]: Five lanes and uh rezone him out. [0:27:17, 0:27:28]: Okay. Council, any questions for Mr. Anderson at all? Yes. During these times here, it is critical because I'm everybody tuned in and everybody who bothered to show up. [0:27:28, 0:27:37]: Is that these decisions sometimes are very difficult for us. And understanding that there is a plan. This is the plan, right, Mr. Anderson? [0:27:37, 0:27:55]: Yes, sir. So what we do is we try to get with together with consultants, the staff, consultants, and experts to put together the best program after a series of public meetings uh over time, because we had numerous public meetings on the comprehensive plans, correct? [0:27:55, 0:27:55]: Yes, sir. [0:27:56, 0:28:06]: so that the public could give input and feedback on what they wanted to see the community look like. This map is actually required under the we're under the under the law, correct? [0:28:06, 0:28:26]: Yes it is. And the reason that we do this and again we have lots of public participation so that the public can weigh in on what you want the city look to look like. Because when developers come to us and they apply, they're applying based on what you said as the public and the consultants and [0:28:26, 0:28:46]: The staff put together to under the legal requirement. Many times our hands are tied in terms of what we wanted to see there, so we tried to make sure that we came up with the best scenario possible in order for us to be able to maintain the quality of life for us. Many of y'all have questions. [0:28:46, 0:29:06]: About how do we end up with their warehouse over uh on Candler Road. Well, there was already zoned for that way well before any of us took a seat up here. Well in I think it's 1999 or 2000. So that was long before us, and there was nothing that we could do about it to uh actually end up in that situation. I just like to make [0:29:06, 0:29:26]: Perfectly clear what we're doing is we're putting together the plan on what on how we're going to move forward with development in the city of Stockbridge. After numerous public meetings, the staff and consultants sat down and tried to meet the legal requirements for us to put forward. [0:29:26, 0:29:34]: This thing called the flume, which is the f future land use map, dictates who can build what and where. Is that correct? [0:29:34, 0:29:38]: That's correct, sir. Okay. Thank you. Any questions from Mr. Anderson? [0:29:41, 0:30:01]: Okay, so this is uh a public meeting, so I need to open for any comments. You ha you are right right now, sir. Yes, sir. I just wanted to let you know that the planning commission approved this. Okay, thank you very much. So I need uh anybody this public hearing, so anybody that has any comments uh for this, comments for this on my far left side. My far left side, I need for you to stand up and uh [0:30:01, 0:30:07]: uh on and line up in this sign and it'll give you the time to speak. Anybody in the middle have any comments for this? [0:30:08, 0:30:18]: Anybody in my far right comments for this? Seeing nothing. Anybody comments against this, okay? My far left side. Any comments against? Anybody against in the middle? [0:30:19, 0:30:24]: Okay. Stand by one second, please. Anyone in the farm? Right side. [0:30:24, 0:30:30]: Okay, you're the only one. Comments uh against this particular project, this approval. Name and address please. [0:30:30, 0:30:50]: Good evening. My name is uh Jocelyn Williams, 190 Banks Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia, 302 81. Um, excellent job. My uh opposition is I would like to know that whenever plans are made that the public would like to know and make um comment. [0:30:50, 0:30:56]: Comments about water, quality, soil and infrastructure. Thank you. [0:30:57, 0:30:57]: Thank you. [0:30:59, 0:31:00]: Mr. And Mr. Anderson, please. [0:31:06, 0:31:09]: Water soil and infrastructure. You can have that, sir. [0:31:09, 0:31:29]: Yes, sir. Uh I'll let our let it's taken care of during the due diligence process before uh a LDP is issued or before a building permit is issued. And also when they submit their rezoning application, they have to get a uh a water letter from Henry County. And when they go to the LDP phase, they have to send their um their plans to Georgia Soil and Water. [0:31:29, 0:31:43]: water conservation and they have to approve them. So they check out on the s they uh do a a review of the soil samples and uh the water is done by the the issuing water authority, whether it's Clayton County, Heron County or City of Stockbridge. [0:31:43, 0:32:03]: All right. And those have to all be done even prior to us them coming to us or prior to coming to the land commission, right? Well some of uh the water is done before it comes to you, but the other uh the water quality and I mean um the erosion control is is taking place. That that d that uh review takes place during the l land disturbance permit phase. Okay. So it's [0:32:03, 0:32:16]: Everything is checked out before they start the bill. All right, thank you, sir. Yes. All right. Uh well on that note, Council, that was the only comment, uh need a motion to to approve if that's the case. So move. Okay, Mr. There's a second. [0:32:18, 0:32:20]: Mr. Barrett, second, all favor, please indicate. [0:32:22, 0:32:42]: Okay, you now have your series. Thank you, Mr. Anderson. Okay, we'll continue on public hearing. This deals uh the next three items deal with council district five. Annexation case AX-2024-02 for one seven seven eight and one-eight seven two highway forty-two north. Once again, council district five consideration. [0:32:42, 0:32:50]: of annexation requests for two parcels at one one excuse me one seven seven eight and one eight seven two [0:32:50, 0:32:59]: Highway 42 North to allow for the construction of a mixed-use development, which would contain single-family detached homes, townhomes, bungalows, and commercial uses. [0:32:59, 0:33:09]: Owner Rowan Properties LP, Applicant Millich, Meredith, Holmes, C O Clay Kirkly, Agent Halen Todd, PEC. [0:33:10, 0:33:25]: The property is located landlock 35 in district seven, contains forty-eight point five nine five nine acres presented by, well, Mr. Addison will present this. Once again, on the comprehensive plan amendment case, CP-2024-09. [0:33:25, 0:33:29]: for the seventeen seventy eight and eighteen seventy two highway north. [0:33:29, 0:33:34]: Once again, Council District Five Consideration and Comprehensive Plan Amendment Request. [0:33:34, 0:33:54]: To assign for the future land use designation of medium density mixed use of two parcels at 1778 and 1872 Highway 42 North after their annexation into the city of Stockbridge from unincorporated Henry County to allow for the construction of a mixed-use, mixed residential development, which would contain a single-family detached. [0:33:54, 0:34:14]: Homes, townhomes, bungalows, and commercial uses. Owner, Rowan Properties LP, Applicant Meritage Home CO, Clay Kirkland, Agent Haley Todd, PEC. The property located landlock 35 in District 7 contains 48.59 acres. And also the rezoning case, RZ-2024-2. [0:34:14, 0:34:23]: 10 for two parcels once again 1778 and 1872 Highway 42 North, Council of District 5, consideration rezoning request. [0:34:23, 0:34:27]: to assign the zoning districts uh for PUD Plan Unit Development. [0:34:27, 0:34:31]: And PMU Parkway Mixed Use Overlay District. [0:34:31, 0:34:51]: Of two two to two parcels at 1778 and 1872 Highway 42 North after an annexation of the city of Stockbridge for unincorporated Henry County to allow for the construction of mixed residential development, which would contain a single family detached homes, townhomes, bungalows, and commercial usage. Once again, owner Rowan Properties LP, Meredith Home, CEO. [0:34:51, 0:34:55]: Clay Kirkley, Agent Haley, Todd, P E C [0:34:55, 0:35:15]: Properties located in landlock 35, district 7. Contains 48.59 acres. Now, Mr. Anderson, on you, sir. Okay. Thank you. Um I'll present the annexation portion first. Um currently the current use of the property, there's an existing house. It's located at 1872 Highway 42 North. The property is 17. [0:35:15, 0:35:18]: [2118.4, 2123.7]: featuring featuring a stream on the northern po parcel and also includes a house and a cemetery. [0:35:24, 0:35:31]: The current um zoning is RA like the mayor previously mentioned, and the uh land use is high density suburban. [0:35:32, 0:35:40]: Here's a vicinity map of the um of the area. And highlighted in red is the is the subject property. The subject properties that we're discussing tonight. [0:35:42, 0:35:45]: And uh also as the surrounding businesses. [0:35:47, 0:35:51]: Okay, here's the aerial photo of the uh with the site plan. [0:35:55, 0:35:57]: Here's a survey of the parcels. [0:35:58, 0:36:02]: Here's proof of the signs, uh where s signs were posted. [0:36:08, 0:36:20]: Uh Meritage Home seeks to annex two parcels located at seventeen seventy eight and eighteen seventy two, Highway forty two north from unincorporated Heron County to Stockbridge for mixed use development. [0:36:20, 0:36:40]: The development will feature 168 units, including 71 single family detached, 15 bungalows, and 82 townhomes, with a density rate of 4.2 units per acre. The proposed square footage for the bungalows is 3,500 feet with a front yard setback of 10 feet and a rear yard setback of 5. This is strange. [0:36:42, 0:36:42]: Here's another [0:36:44, 0:36:45]: version of the site plan. [0:36:47, 0:37:00]: Here's a colored version of the site plan with the layouts. As you can see right here, by my cursor, this is where the single fam 71 single family detached units will go. This is where the 82 townhomes will go. [0:37:01, 0:37:04]: And the commercial component will be located on this side. [0:37:04, 0:37:04]: Mm-hmm. [0:37:12, 0:37:15]: Here's some renderings of the of the of the potential homes. [0:37:20, 0:37:25]: Um the Planning Commission recommended approval and staff also recommended approval for the indexation. [0:37:27, 0:37:32]: Now I'll go into the comp land p uh portion. Here's a copy of the um the land use map of the area. [0:37:36, 0:37:43]: This is a joint future land use map of the area, including Henry County and um City of Stockbridge land use categories. [0:37:51, 0:37:53]: Uh staff recommended approval of the um [0:37:55, 0:37:56]: Of the complain. [0:38:09, 0:38:10]: Okay. [0:38:11, 0:38:31]: Uh as you can see the surrounding land use densities. You have um the Mouse Point subdivision, which has 125 units with a density of 1.71 units per acre. The summit of Eagles Landing, they have 308 units with a density rate of 1.96 units per acre. You have Clark Meadows, they have 141 units with a density of 2.7. [0:38:31, 0:38:51]: You have Eagles Hills with 80 units with a density rate of 4.08 units per acre. Magnolia at Eagles Landing, they have 189 units at 1.84 units per acre. You have Winding Creek with 118 units at 3.06 units per acre. You have Crown Walk with 30 units. [0:38:51, 0:39:11]: with 1.10 units per acre and you have vine yards at Eagles Landing, 215 units with 2.3 units per acre. And the proposal has Meritage Homes project has 168 units with 4.2 units per acre. So as you can see that um the densities are not out of the proposed density is not out of line. [0:39:11, 0:39:17]: As a result, um staff recommended approval of the land use change as well as the planning commission. [0:39:26, 0:39:46]: Uh now that applicant uh I will go to the rezoning portion. The applicant is seeking to rezone to PUD from uh Henry County's mixed use development. Uh PUD is the similar zoning uh that the that the city has, similar to uh Henry County's mixed use development. And as required by code, uh you have to assign a a zoning designation that is similar. [0:39:46, 0:39:48]: to the existing zoning from the county. [0:39:55, 0:39:59]: So here here's another copy of an aerial photo. Highlighted in blue is the site. [0:40:03, 0:40:03]: Um [0:40:07, 0:40:25]: So staff recommends the Planning Commission recommended approval and the staff recommends approval to assign the PUD with conditions. The subject property shall be developed similar to the site plan that was submitted by the applicant on January twenty-first, twenty twenty-five. The bungalow lots located on [0:40:25, 0:40:27]: Lots one through fifteen of the site plan. [0:40:27, 0:40:28]: Shall be three sided brick. [0:40:29, 0:40:49]: A landscaping plan shall be submitted. A ten foot external sidewalk and an eight foot internal sidewalk shall be installed. The building facing the street on campground road shall be three-sided brick. The buildings labeled dining penteo on the site plan must adhere to the parking standards found in section four point one eight of the Stockbridge Unified Development Code. [0:40:49, 0:40:53]: No more than one hair salon, barber nail salon shall be in the commercial section. [0:40:53, 0:40:56]: No event centers, no gas stations shall be allowed. [0:40:56, 0:41:08]: The applicant must combine the two parcels located at 1778 and 1872 Highway 42 North. In addition, no permits shall be issued by the City of Stockbridge until the developer provides a copy of the recorded plan. [0:41:09, 0:41:10]: So the applicant is here. [0:41:10, 0:41:30]: Okay, before we get to the applicant, then counsel, we got any specific questions right now from Mr. Anderson before we get to the applicant. I just wanted to make a statement, if I could. Sure, go ahead. This process has been a long and uh played out. We asked them to come back. Initially, this process involved a 100% residential neighborhood. [0:41:30, 0:41:50]: Certainly that was not the desire of the community. We wanted to uh actually bring a mixed use product and they we suggested that that's what would be brought forward. Uh, because in the area and let me let me be transparent and clear, this is right down the street from my house, which uh on Campground Road uh is basically about um [0:41:50, 0:42:10]: Maybe about a mile or less than a mile from my house. So when people say you make these decisions and you put this in somebody else's neighborhood, or you put this somewhere else, no, these rezonings happen very close to us, and we have to make these decisions in the best interest of the entire [0:42:10, 0:42:30]: Public because that's what our charge is to do. And Mr. Anderson just showed us what the map was gonna look like for the future land use map. The project that was brought forth for us, and I had some comments that were made: was you know, this is what you know, they wouldn't do this in COVID. [0:42:30, 0:42:50]: County. As a matter of fact, this is exactly what they did in Cobb County. If you look at the map uh for the Willowcrest neighborhood over in Mapleton, the townhome product is very similar to that and basically meets the same standards, such as the bungalows uh as well. So if you were looking at uh [0:42:50, 0:43:10]: what the standards look like in some of the northern territories. This is what the same product that we would get here. Too many times we get product that is not uh on that same level, but this product uh certainly is. And when I say that this product is close to me, it is. The property is because this is located right across the street. [0:43:10, 0:43:30]: from the food bank that we operate. So I'm very familiar with this property and understand that the homeowner has been living there for as a house over there and their desire is to move on from the property. And certainly that is uh the intention uh and we are trying to do the very best that we can [0:43:30, 0:43:50]: to work through and with the developer and the community to try to strike a balance to get the very best uh neighborhood that we possibly can. And I think uh what you will see come forward uh is quality and certainly that was the pre that was the number one goal here and certainly [0:43:50, 0:44:10]: The desire was to have a tenant such as a grocery store in the area, not just neighborhood uh type of development. And I think we discussed some additional changes as far as uh earlier today, which is under the highway corridor plan, which is what we this is a highway corridor. [0:44:10, 0:44:30]: Corridor neighborhood, correct? Yes, it's located in Parkway. Make sure you're right in the car in the parkway corridor neighborhood. The neighborhood has the the community has a restriction. The neighborhood parkway has restrictions on various buildings that can or cannot be located there, correct? Yes, sir. That's correct. Also we have a distance limit on certain businesses like [0:44:30, 0:44:41]: Like nail salons, uh barbershops and salons, is that correct? Yes sir, and pawn shops and within within one mile of this location. Yes sir. There's three barbershops. [0:44:42, 0:45:02]: There's two nail salons and there's three hair salons within one mile already today. So the city's prohibition on those um particular instituular um requirements would be in place here today in order for us to be able to to move [0:45:01, 0:45:12]: for cause certainly the desire is understanding to strike a balance. And I think we have some discussion about the grosser because the highway park parkour corridor [0:45:13, 0:45:33]: Prohibits gas stations directly from being located there, correct? Yes, sir. But we gasoline coming up. We did certainly as we did with Costco, uh along the Parkway corridor. If you open up a substantial business where gasoline is a secondary item, not the main purchase, like it [0:45:33, 0:45:53]: The convenience store, gasoline is like the top item that people stop there for. If a Kroger wanted to locate it here or Ingalls wanted to locate here, Aldi or Ingalls, like y'all have on Walt Stevens over there, they could install gas pumps there, but nobody else could just open up a convenience store here under the requirement. [0:45:53, 0:46:13]: requirements that we will have in place here because that's going to be part of the conditions on what we do. And certainly neighborhood uses and the restrictions on the um highway corridor are there for a reason so that we can get uh high standards in doing what we need to do in order to uh move forward. [0:46:13, 0:46:33]: Now, certainly we understand uses as I indicated earlier. Certainly you're gonna have things like sit-down restaurant where you have a restaurant without a drive-thru, or you might have a restaurant in the area, because there aren't any restaurants between McDonough and Stockbridge right there in that location. You may have a fast food restaurant there. [0:46:32, 0:46:52]: Certainly, that would be appropriate as a neighborhood use for the generic for the area, along with some office as well. So there's been a lot of push and pull. It wasn't just us signing off on what we had here. We went back and forth to look at various renditions. [0:46:52, 0:47:09]: And I think especially the townhouse product and the bungalow product, I don't think we have that anywhere in the city uh at this time right now. And the bungalow product is the one that's gonna be three side brick, is that correct? Yes, there there's example there's an example of one I put on the screen. [0:47:10, 0:47:30]: Okay, so certainly we will go through that and let the applicant make their case for what needs to be done uh here uh as well. But I wanted the public to know that this we sent this back because initially we weren't happy with what came forward and now we're moving forward to try to um work the balance between [0:47:29, 0:47:49]: Between what the neighborhood desires and then the developer. Uh Meritage has built several neighborhoods, the Winding Creek neighborhood, the Winding Creek Townhomes, and the Eagles Hill neighborhoods that are there uh in the area as well. Matter of fact, in twenty seventeen that was the first neighborhood that [0:47:49, 0:48:09]: We as a council uh were able to rezone when I took a when I gain when I came on the council. The road wasn't even there yet. So that was part of the planning. So thank you. No problem. Council, any other questions you have for Mr. Anderson right now? If not, okay then the applicant come forward, name and address and uh [0:48:09, 0:48:12]: Have you pr uh present your presentation? [0:48:12, 0:48:13]: Please. [0:48:28, 0:48:48]: Can I ask a point of clarification before we get started real quick? Sure. Um we're doing them combined, the the three. I mean, in terms of the time allotted to speaking to, you know, we have the land use, the comp plan, and then the zoning, they're combined. They're combined in your presentation, but guarantee we gotta vote on them separately. [0:48:48, 0:49:08]: No doubt, no doubt. I just wanted to be sure in the presentation. I can cover everything. Okay, you cover everything. I'm pretty sure the council have plenty of com may have comments for you. And then of course the public has an opportunity to speak as well. Absolutely. Uh Kenneth Wood 350 Research Board, Peachtree Corners, Georgia. So we're excited about this project, as as uh you actually heard. We've we've first kind of approached this as we started looking. [0:49:08, 0:49:28]: At the area as an all-residential deal. When we first were looking at it, we were thinking on the corner for towns. And then as we actually were able to hear some different comments, we started rethinking about what it what it could be. So what you're going to be proposed with tonight is a mixed use that we think is really well fitting. And we'll talk about exactly how that works. [0:49:28, 0:49:35]: networks, how it fits into the transportation network, how it fits into the surrounding network, and actually how it fits into the site. [0:49:35, 0:49:38]: Um as well. If you're looking at the site here. [0:49:38, 0:49:58]: old campground and are you guys able to see this on the screen? We got it on the So this is this is the northern part and so you have the creek that runs down here on the side. You have campground, the relocated campground that runs through. And there's traffic improvements that have been done as part of that relocation. So we wanted to make particular attention and I'll I'll point this out as I zoom into [0:49:58, 0:50:08]: it about really what we're trying to do, where we're trying to set those access points coming into the property and making sure that we're set up for a successful project for entrance into it. [0:50:09, 0:50:14]: This is the uh proposed zoning for the PUD. As you can see, there's there's quite a few of the PUDs in the area. [0:50:15, 0:50:18]: Um this one also is kind of interesting when you're talking about the comp plan. [0:50:19, 0:50:39]: When we actually first um submitted and started talking about the comp plan change, I was I I was kind of caught off guard that we needed the change because in Henry County it was high density and that we needed to go down down to medium density into into coming into the city. I was I was I was thinking it would it would translate. Um but it it made sense when we looked at our final density that it was [0:50:39, 0:50:59]: Actually fitting into the medium. So that's why we're requesting that as it's coming from Henry is high density. It can't translate as high density because we don't meet those thresholds. So that's the reason that we're here for the comp plan change coming into the mixed-use overlay for the site here. This is the uh parkway of mixed-use overlay that are. [0:50:59, 0:51:10]: here and as you can see as you go up 42 as you head over toward all the way over you going toward Costco that is the theme is when you're up on that frontage what makes the most sense obviously it has additional restrictions. [0:51:11, 0:51:31]: It has a additional quality that is put in there. And so that was the suitability that we wanted to see for the side. And as I just mentioned, this is the medium uh mixed use that is in the area coming over from Henry into here. And then this was our concurrency here, which is basically where we touch uh the city uh at the corner. [0:51:31, 0:51:35]: Let me see if I can I'll kind of start on the top uh for the plan. [0:51:36, 0:51:50]: The total is forty-eight acres. It is divided on the north track and the south track. Uh this is the creek that was spoken about. And so we actually kind of ended, we have additional buffers up here, additional buffers here, but we also have the creek. And so [0:51:50, 0:52:10]: You know, distance from the single family detached homes on the north to the single family detached homes that you would see just off your screen to the north uh east of the site is substantial. You know, you're probably talking about from backyard to backyard, probably 250 to 300 feet, close to a football field in terms of distance from there. Uh we were careful to [0:52:10, 0:52:30]: To make sure we have stormwater management. We know and hearing from a couple of people that we talked to, just make sure we wanted to do good stormwater management so we have the ponds that can accommodate that. And so on this north side, it was very particular about where we wanted to put the access. This is campground that runs here. You have the [0:52:30, 0:52:50]: median that starts here, we have to do as part of what we've looked at from from traffic is left turn lanes and D cell lanes. And so that's the full uh turning movements that have to be installed on our site. And as part of that, we needed to be able to start back here and then that gave us good site distance for installing these so that you can see around [0:52:50, 0:53:10]: Around this bin from the access point and see this way as well. On the north, these are the single family detached that would be here. Those would consist of ranch homes as well as two-story family homes. The other part to this, basically on the east side, there was kind of a little remnant piece, but the topo setup. [0:53:10, 0:53:30]: Well, we had first looked at it as like a small cul-de-sac, but when we got into it, it didn't really make sense to just have kind of three lots kind of orphaned over by themselves on that side. And so we looked at it and thought what it would be a good little medical office, dentist office, something for neighborhood uses uh that could be here at this location. It also set up really [0:53:30, 0:53:34]: well for a circular parking lot and then access coming onto campground. [0:53:35, 0:53:39]: Uh jumping across the road, one thing you'll notice on the on the plans we tried to articulate [0:53:40, 0:53:54]: is all of our frontages, we have the requirement for the multi-use trail as well as a sidewalk internally. And so you'll see that throughout. We have sidewalks throughout the development. We also have the multi-use trail throughout all of the frontages that you're seeing on the plan. [0:53:54, 0:54:14]: And so this is our this is our plan where we cut across from highway 42 over to campground. And so this would be basically a public feeder road here, has some parallel parking off of it. But this road is basically what can feed into the commercial, as well as you have a right in, right out here and here that can feed in here. So it sets up well for. [0:54:14, 0:54:34]: Or basically a grocery anchored, like we mentioned, if it is a large enough anchor, it potentially could have the pumps with it. But we also envision this as having other neighborhood uses where it could be restaurants, it could be office, it could also be different types of retail uses for sale. It's a really good corridor with the [0:54:34, 0:54:54]: The residential uh that is coming in and the quality of it, it sets up really well. It's almost 10 acres of commercial uh that is on this property and sets up, as well as a lot of open space back here. So if this end cap ended up being a restaurant, you could have this outside space if you're waiting or doing things that could have a little bit of a green space. [0:54:54, 0:55:14]: Setting there, uh stormwater management as well. Uh jumping over to the residential. So we really, really thought about this after we got the comments is trying to deliver several different types of product types to the community. Not just one type of product type, but we actually have four. If you think about it, there's four different kinds, and so we have [0:55:14, 0:55:34]: uh attached homes that are here. Uh these can be found. If you if you do want to see this, you can actually drive to Cobb County to what's now the city of Mapleton and see Willow Crest. It's a development over there off Floyd Road. It's really beautiful. Actually my um client here, Meritage Homes, is the developer of that. And this that [0:55:34, 0:55:54]: Was kind of the idea in going to this. So these townhomes are a little wider. When you see the pictures I'll bring up, these are 26 feet wide. So they are several feet, if not four to six feet wider than a lot of the townhomes you'll see. These are the bungalows. And so this is a really unique product. I have not seen this product delivered. [0:55:54, 0:56:14]: By actually any other builder. It's really unique. And there's there's 16 of them. They are rear-loaded, which means if you're driving down 42, you'll see the front of them behind the landscaping. And you would not see the garages. The garages are from the back side. And then if you drive through the rest of the way here, there's two different types of single-family products in here. You can have [0:56:14, 0:56:34]: have if a if a customer wants a ranch home, a one-level home, uh they can offer ranch product as well as the two story uh family homes that you see. Uh we have a large amenity. Uh we're looking at a cabana, a pool, uh uh some type of sport court. We're trying to analyze if if pickleball or bocce or like a pavilion outside grill, what would be [0:56:33, 0:56:53]: The best to be there as part of the marketing, but we set that centrally. So whether you're in the bungalows through here, there's sidewalks around the whole property, it's very centrally located, but also away from the commercial. So there's privacy if you lived in your home in this. All the homes we tried to create basically the wide home. [0:56:53, 0:57:13]: So that we have the public dimensions, even though they're private. So they have all the street trees, the street lights, and everything for it. It is 168. We actually have more detached than we do attached. We have 86 detached and 82 attached homes. The commercial is upwards of 80,000 square feet of commercial. [0:57:13, 0:57:33]: That can fill the space. And it has a great relation to the comp plan when you look at it and just thinking about driving down the street from it. These are some of the homes we were looking at and all the different types of, it's all substantial material that you would see in the homes, as Ryan showed you some. The townhomes out at Willow Crest, more single-family homes. [0:57:33, 0:57:53]: Family detached homes varying of styles, uh, bungalows getting into here, some of the ranch homes with the little front porches, some of the bungalows that have a big front porch and upper front porch. And then here's some pictures actually from Floyd Road, which is a very similar road to Highway 42. It's about the same size and coming down. And so these are some of [0:57:53, 0:58:13]: of the frontages and want to be able to kind of bring these up and and kind of bring two two things uh just to kind of talk about it on the plan. One is um on number number seven, obviously if we can have the ability, if it is a grocery uh anchored to be able to have the the the gas pumps because it's a part of the program. Uh [0:58:13, 0:58:33]: If they do that, if a grocery that large comes. And then on number two, one thing we'd like for you guys to consider. If you saw the elevations at Willowcrest, on the it the condition on number two says uh uh brick on three sides, but what really looks really good is like one house will be brick and then the next one's stone. [0:58:33, 0:58:53]: And so you you'll see that stone. And so we don't want to sometimes if you do all brick, it can get kind of monolithic looking down through there. And so if we can have the ability to have that as has has have that as stone too, and maybe even board board and bat just on the top, 50, that we we'd love to just have the ability because of what some of the how [0:58:53, 0:59:13]: How how great Willow Crest on these came out to be where, see this is a brick, but then this is stone and we were just worried. And then you've got some board and bat with the front porches. And so we just wanted to just ask because we've we've seen what it can look like if you're able to mix it in so that each house has kind of its own identity. And so that would be the only [0:59:13, 0:59:25]: change to the um conditions of staff. If uh you guys could uh think about those that would be fantastic. And with that, I can take any questions or I have uh several members of with Meritage Homes with us. [0:59:25, 0:59:45]: No problem. Appreciate your presentation. I meant to do that right now. I'm pretty sure we'll have some different questions for you. But uh in in my com my thought process is brick versus stone, if you wanna utilize and mix it up some, I'm fine with that. But the council's gotta make decisions. You don't want everything to look the same. And you know, dress right dress. You want to you know, have some tr differ types of traction there. But anyway, they'll let you know. [0:59:45, 1:00:05]: All right. Okay, thank you. Yes, sir. Certainly, I think we had discussed this particular issue. The front, the front facade can be a mix of materials. What we've done in the past is, because all of the townhomes are attached, sure, that we will want the ones um visible from the right. [1:00:05, 1:00:25]: To be brick on the ends so that when someone was coming or passing down 42 or campground, they would see the end unit and the end cap would be brick on the side. But the front facades are flexible. Okay, okay, awesome. We just think it'll look you know good the next time. Right. The ones that Ryan mentioned on the bungalows, however, we're seeing [1:00:25, 1:00:45]: Certainly want to stick with that. That's right there on Campground Road. I mean on uh Highway 42. Certainly that would be the exception and that would be uh three-sides brick on that. You've mentioned already that we have the 10-foot multi-use path, which is along campground road and along highway 42, which will offer us some. [1:00:45, 1:01:05]: Uh, you know, which we don't have any sidewalks there now. Uh it is my hope that the city has$500,000 in T Splos, that we could actually connect those existing neighborhoods, Winding Creek and Winding Creek townhomes, to this development with the T Splos funds that we have. [1:01:05, 1:01:25]: via multi-use trail, which is a 10 foot, so that people could actually leave leave out of Winding Creek or leave out of Winding Creek town homes and not get in their car. They could literally ride their bike or a golf cart or something across there and they would be able to do that. That is the desire uh for the community here, but I'll let my colleagues ask [1:01:25, 1:01:45]: any questions uh that they may and then we also uh had uh imposed that we would have the 30 foot setback um uh for the product uh that is consistent with what we've done with other town home products at all flop cameras at the just our normal our flop cameras at the entrance [1:01:45, 1:01:49]: [3710.2, 3726.6]: I feel like I'm missing something. Street lights will be a c street light as well. Street lights, barrier tree barriers. Um uh to prevent growth of the roots messing up the sidewalks. Um and then [1:02:07, 1:02:22]: Um what am I missing? That's a pretty much the flock camera, the street lights, uh pretty much consistent with that. We got the multi use path in there. Yeah, and now we we require all of our townhomes to have double car garages, correct? Okay. So we're good. [1:02:23, 1:02:25]: So those are of those are identified in the conditions. [1:02:26, 1:02:28]: Come to Mike, please, Ryan. [1:02:31, 1:02:32]: Well this. [1:02:33, 1:02:44]: Planning Commission added two, but they're already in our code, but I read'em in the record just uh they had a condition for uh a ten percent rental cap and a HOA, but that's required by code anyway. [1:02:45, 1:03:03]: Right, that's already uh uh that's some confusion. That's in the code right now. Right. So that's what we would have. They're agreeable to that. That's right, sir. You're agreeable to the rental cap. Okay, sorry. And um the other things that council member gamp uh recommended, that's part of our new uh um design standards too. Oh perfect. [1:03:04, 1:03:15]: All right. And okay, one clarification. The street lights are the metal street lights that we discussed and the the staff would get with them on what they look like, right? The decorative street, metal street room. [1:03:15, 1:03:16]: Yes, sir. Go ahead, Mr. Baird. [1:03:18, 1:03:28]: Okay, metal street lights. You you said we're talking about that's what you you're good with that, sir? Yeah, it's in the ca I've seen I've seen them. They're part of on the committee. [1:03:29, 1:03:32]: I will wait until after the public comments. [1:03:33, 1:03:35]: Okay. [1:03:35, 1:03:42]: Corrector. Yeah, so additionally, when we started, when this was all residential, how many units was there? [1:03:43, 1:04:03]: Uh two hundred and two eighty eight. Two eighty eight. So basically what we did was we transitioned this from two hundred and eighty eight units to the commercial component and now we're down to one sixty eight. So we've reduced the units over one a hundred and about a hundred and twenty, correct? That's correct. [1:04:03, 1:04:16]: And the density here is not high density by our cart Ryan or by our chart. This is medium density. Uh uh on the lower end of the medium density. Yes, yes. This is the lower end of medium density, it makes use residential. [1:04:17, 1:04:37]: Absolutely. So let's be consistent clear and consistent. This is not high density but and folks understand this too. When it was in Henry County, it was high density, right? Yes, it was high density residential. Right. So basically this is down zone to medium versus what it would have been had it been in the county at high density, correct? Yes, I'll mix use. [1:04:37, 1:04:41]: So uh medium density starts at four units per acre and it's right at the bottom of it. [1:04:41, 1:04:43]: Absolutely. All right. Thank you. [1:04:44, 1:04:56]: Any questions, counsel thus far? We're good? All right, on that note I'm gonna open it for public hearing. So I'm gonna start on my very left side. Anybody that f um of comments for forest development. Comments from my very left side. [1:04:58, 1:04:59]: In the middle, in the common floor. [1:05:00, 1:05:01]: My very right side. Comments four. [1:05:02, 1:05:06]: All right, so I remember my very left comments against uh against this particular development. [1:05:07, 1:05:16]: All right, in the middle and comments against. This line up on that side with comments against. My very right, and comments against. Okay. Please sir, come to the mic and uh your name and address. [1:05:17, 1:05:34]: Yes, uh good afternoon. My name is Willie Carter, uh 123 Wilson Avenue. Um the the problem without a lot of these projects y'all be presenting, to s y'all do a lot of substantiating to other counties. And and what I mean by that, you're not comparing apples to apples, you're comparing apples to oranges. [1:05:34, 1:05:43]: True enough, Cobb do does do that. For my I'd be privy to it by being contractor work, with I see what they do, they don't do any development unless the infrastructure is there. [1:05:44, 1:05:48]: If the infrastructure's not supporting what you're trying to plan to present. [1:05:48, 1:05:49]: They don't do it. [1:05:50, 1:06:07]: So again, I I don't know I don't understand why y'all presenting all these new developments when the infrastructure is not there. Flipping doesn't have the inf infrastructure. 138 Tojotico doesn't have the infrastructure. So again, if the infrastructure is not there, why you keep presenting these new developments? [1:06:07, 1:06:10]: Thank you. Yes, ma'am. [1:06:12, 1:06:13]: Name and address, please. [1:06:18, 1:06:38]: Um Jocelyn Williams, one ninety Banks Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia, three oh two eight one. Am I doing opposition to annexation? Compensate altogether? Yeah, if you've got any comments on annexation, comprehension plan, rezoning case. If you have comments on all those, they're fine. No comments against that, I guess. Uh comments against annexation, company comprehension. [1:06:38, 1:06:58]: Comprehensive and rezoning. My concern is Birch Creek Elementary is a brand new school, first one in Henry County in 10 years, and it's already overcrowded. It opened in August. My concern is once again for the schools, the 168 homes that [1:06:58, 1:07:18]: That will come on a two-lane road of um Fort Highway 42. Um, that would be my concern that the mixed-use specific uh I'm gonna use um caliber car wash. I called last year and asked what would be built. They said a car wash and it had room for other things, but they didn't tell me specifically. [1:07:18, 1:07:38]: Specifically, what it is. In 2025, I now know it's caliber car wash, small hamburgers, and it's um urgent care. So I was just concerned about the mixed use, the needs, and the specific things that will be built all into the comprehensive plan amendment, um, and the annexation, everything is thrown. [1:07:37, 1:07:54]: in but as I watch trying to make sure I get copies of everything so I can keep up with the excellent job that everyone is doing, I just have to do opposition because I need the infrastructure, the schools and the traffic to be included. And I thank all of you so very much. [1:07:54, 1:07:57]: Thank you. Ryan, could you come back to the point, please? [1:08:00, 1:08:04]: We're assuming that you layer two did you five. [1:08:05, 1:08:07]: Who s oh this gentleman? [1:08:07, 1:08:10]: For against. Now did you ask if they were against on this side? [1:08:12, 1:08:22]: Well yeah he did all he Oh okay I'll you did all three already. We're uh we're gonna uh we're gonna vote on individually. Infrastructure. I don't know if can you answer in reference to infrastructure data can [1:08:22, 1:08:41]: As it relates to traffic, uh the city of Stockbridge is is for it can't uh can't use traffic as a determining factor in approving or disapproving rezonings. There are only two uh places in the state of Georgia right now, and that's Gwinnett and the City of Atlanta metro area that can use traffic as a um [1:08:41, 1:08:51]: as a criteria to deny rezonings or zoning actions. But Stockbridge is not one of the areas that can do that. So when we do our zoning analysis, we don't we can't really take traffic into consideration. [1:08:52, 1:09:09]: North schools. Okay. North North Schools, yes, that's correct. Right. That was gonna get there next with North Schools and the mixed use development. I guess uh we've already I guess uh applicant already talked about all the different types of things potentially scheduled to come or or to be there to mix use part of that process besides the living quarters and businesses. [1:09:10, 1:09:11]: Can you expound on it at all? [1:09:11, 1:09:30]: Um we don't they haven't exactly determined what type of businesses will come, but um they want to anchor their re their uh the retail component of this with a grocery store. Okay. So and they will have eight thousand square feet of office space and they will have um um [1:09:30, 1:09:47]: I'm not sure the exact breakdown of the retail, but it's like seventy two thousand square feet of retail altogether. So, um they will have several restaurants, um maybe sit down restaurants. And um but they haven't they haven't decided what type of business is the name of the businesses that will come yet. Okay. [1:09:47, 1:09:55]: Can can the applicant come back up and maybe spound on it just just uh uh you get a chance, sir. Just to kinda spound on that possibly. Just to make sure. [1:09:59, 1:10:19]: So as uh as the as the project starts to build out, what we have envisioned is that this here uh would be um would be office most likely because it's more s tucked into the neighborhood. Okay. It has good parking, so more, you know, dentist office, medical office, uh law office, uh something that you would [1:10:19, 1:10:26]: you know, it expect kind of in a in a kind of going back into the suburban area uh that would be there. Uh up here, um [1:10:27, 1:10:47]: We showed a grocery this is a little bit of a smaller grocery. Uh this could end up being a larger grocery and just one out, you know, just one out part. It could be because if you we one of the larger groceries which uh they are um looking at right now, it would take up m you know most of the site and it would be a new grocery with some retail beside it and and mostly [1:10:47, 1:11:07]: Uh but the under this scenario right here, uh this was we were looking at like a lethal Aldi size uh grocery uh that would have different type of shops here, as well as uh restaurants and potential that this could be like a little outparcel over here, uh, but everything would be neighborhood scale. You know, there's no automotive, there's no, you know, as as conditions. [1:11:07, 1:11:23]: nail shops, any any of that, pawn shops. Uh this is all neighborhood scale retail. And so, you know, if if approved, we'd immediately start moving toward that that, you know, moving toward finding what those retailers are and seeing if the grocery was going to grow to the bigger grocery or be more of the boutique size. All right. [1:11:24, 1:11:28]: Council, any other questions that you want to ask the gentleman here? Real quick, Ryan, come back to the point of [1:11:29, 1:11:30]: Mm-hmm. [1:11:33, 1:11:53]: As a part of this development, this council has endeavored in this area is in the highway corridor. Yes, sir. Parkway mixed use overlay. And this council has established very high standards for what the parkway corridor is, right? Yes sir. Can't have any truck stops there, can't have any warehouses there, can't have [1:11:53, 1:12:10]: have any um vape shops and that kind of thing with the distance restrictions and all of that. Yes. Is that correct? Yes sir. So certainly we have already prescribed what we don't want at this particular location. And I think uh we were going to add car washes too, right? [1:12:10, 1:12:13]: Uh car washes are already prohibited. [1:12:13, 1:12:33]: Core washes are we did add it. Okay. So sir, so we understand that everything that you guys have told us, we've added restrictions on that. Matter of fact, we're one of the only communities in Henry County to have those restrictions on various businesses with distances, mileage restrictions. So the the applicant has [1:12:33, 1:12:48]: been amenable to that and has agreed to abide by what those court highway corridors plan standards were. So and understand the last thing I want to say is understand this ladies and gentlemen is that something is going to go at this location. [1:12:48, 1:12:56]: And that's kind of where we are right now. Something is going to be built here. And what we do is Georgia is a property rights state. [1:12:57, 1:13:17]: People can sell their land to different developers. Just like they sold this particular piece of land to this developer, they could have sold it to somebody that we had to fight in court to fight off a warehouse or fight off something that we did not approve of. So sometimes what you do, and I'll repoint back and I'll close by saying this. [1:13:17, 1:13:37]: Winding Creek, the neighborhood that's on Campground Road now, had an industrial zoning, which means a warehouse could have been built on that Winding Creek property under the old industrial zoning. So we took the neighborhood in order to change the zoning to mixed use to prevent an unwanted. [1:13:37, 1:13:57]: Use from being located there. So sometimes just playing chess over here, then playing checkers and understanding what we got there is represents quality and that's kind of where we are now. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, and on that note the public hearing portion for public comments is ended that, but we'll continue still a public hearing, but that portion has been closed since the [1:13:57, 1:13:58]: [4439.4, 4450.0]: So what I have now is uh annexation case AX dash 2024-02 for 1778 and 7 uh 1872 Highway 42 North. [1:14:10, 1:14:30]: Council District 5. Consideration of an annexation request of the two parcels at 1778, 1872, Highway 42 North to allow for construction of the mixed-use development, which would contain single-family detached homes, townhomes, bungalows, and commercial uses. Owner, Rowan Properties, LP, applicant, Meritage Home CO, Clay. [1:14:30, 1:14:45]: Kirkley, Agent Haley Todd, PEC. Properties located in Landlot thirty five district seven, contains forty eight point five nine acres. Uh council, I need a motion to approve this uh development. So moved. Is there a second? [1:14:46, 1:14:50]: I second. All right. From Miss Razaner to Miss uh [1:14:51, 1:14:53]: Can't. Yes. [1:14:55, 1:14:56]: Yeah, I'm taking an order, yes. [1:14:58, 1:15:05]: Yeah, since Okay, I'm I'm I'm in taking it in order. All right, so motion was made in the second long favorite, please indicate. [1:15:07, 1:15:10]: Okay. Posey. [1:15:10, 1:15:24]: This is a yes, sir. That's this is the only answer. Yes, sir. You approve. Okay, so that's the unanimous decision. All right. Thank you, Council. Uh comprehensive plan amendment case CP two zero two four-zero nine for seventeen seventy-eight. [1:15:25, 1:15:28]: eighteen seventy two highway forty two north. Once again council district five. [1:15:29, 1:15:44]: Consideration the Comprehensive Plan Amendment request to assign to future land use designation a medium density mixed use to two parcels at seventeen seventy eight, eighteen seventy two Highway forty two North, after their annexations in the city of Stockbridge from an unincorporated Henry County. [1:15:44, 1:15:53]: To allow for the construction of the mixed residential development, which would contain single-family detached homes, townhomes, bungalows, and commercial uses. [1:15:53, 1:16:13]: Owner Rowan Properties LP, applicant marriages home, CEO Clay Kirkley, uh Agent Haley Todd, PEC, properties located in Landlock Thirty Five, District Seven, contains forty eight point five nine acres. Council need a motion to approve this plan. Ryan, one question real quick for Ryan. I just want you to go on the record again. [1:16:13, 1:16:33]: This particular zoning before the annexation was at high density in Henry County, correct? Yes, the land use was high density residential, yes. Right. So basically they came to us to down zone this to medium under our standard. That's what we're doing. We're changing it from high density Henry County down to medium density stock bridge. [1:16:33, 1:16:35]: Yes sir. [1:16:35, 1:16:36]: Is there a second? [1:16:37, 1:16:46]: Mr Holly smokes. Berry. Berry. I'm sorry. Got a mental minimum lapse there. Mr. Berry, second now. All in favor, please indicate. [1:16:47, 1:16:49]: Mayor I have a comment. [1:16:49, 1:16:52]: Okay and you pose? One second. You oppose or sustain, Miss Barber? [1:16:53, 1:17:04]: I abstain. Okay, three zero one motion passed. What's your comment, ma'am? Uh I just wanted to notify those who are concerned that um [1:17:05, 1:17:08]: Some of the reasons we do what we do now. The roads are wider. [1:17:08, 1:17:22]: So that, you know, when we d we've dealt with parking on the street in the past, we've dealt with different things and so in those subdivisions and those planned communities now, the roads are wider, our sidewalks are wider, they're no longer [1:17:22, 1:17:35]: Sidewalks there trails enough to you know not just walk but ride bikes and and and uh pathways that we're connecting. So we are thinking about the infrastructure as we go. [1:17:36, 1:17:43]: based off of what we have to deal with. And um and I just think a lot of times we don't [1:17:45, 1:18:00]: emphasize it enough, but we can't a lot of times we can't control stores. And a lot of times we can't tell you what stores are gonna be here. There are a lot of non-disclosures, right? They don't want you to know. We can't, and that's part that's all a part of economic development. However [1:18:01, 1:18:09]: Like Councilman Um Alexander had mentioned, we've done everything in our power to make sure that we restrict [1:18:09, 1:18:14]: certain stores from being in close proximity to each other so that we don't have [1:18:14, 1:18:15]: What [1:18:15, 1:18:19]: You know, five or three or two of the same stores right beside each other. [1:18:19, 1:18:24]: So we've done I think we're doing a great job at that now, but we are planning our developments. [1:18:25, 1:18:29]: Um for higher standards in regards to [1:18:30, 1:18:33]: the types of products, stone and brick and you name it. [1:18:33, 1:18:47]: And the width of the roads as well as the width of the sidewalks. So we consider all of those things. And you gotta think about it. When you have those things, sometimes the prices are increasing, but not only that, what store is gonna go there? [1:18:48, 1:18:53]: Right. And so we have that commercial component, you know. [1:18:53, 1:19:04]: uh they've gotta match that area. And so I just wanted you guys to get ahead, you know, kinda get a better um understanding of what that looks like. [1:19:04, 1:19:23]: Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. So sorry that you didn't acknowledge me. I didn't see you, but go ahead with your comments. Go ahead with your comments. Mr. Anderson. Go ahead with your comments. Mr. Anderson, the conditions, are they um tied to the comprehensive plan or the rezoning? Uh they're tied to the rezoning. [1:19:23, 1:19:26]: Okay. I'll hold my questions until then. Thank you. All right. [1:19:26, 1:19:35]: Mr. Alzheimer's go ahead, please. Yeah, thanks. I appreciate it. Uh certainly we want to make sure that we're doing everything and so the public is aware. [1:19:35, 1:19:41]: This council did everything possible in order to get infrastructure and road dollars to Henry County. [1:19:41, 1:20:01]: Two billion dollars is coming to Henry County. Mayor, you remember we went to the uh the town hall or the charrette for Highway 42, because it's gonna be widened from McDonough all the way to Stockbridge. And we showed up and we said, we want that 10-foot path on one side and five-foot sidewalk on the other side, just like y'all do. [1:20:01, 1:20:09]: Do on the north side. It's going to take a while. And the history of this is the people that had these seats 20 years ago. [1:20:10, 1:20:30]: They could have gotten transportation dollars for you, but they didn't want the community to grow and they tried to stand in the way of it. As a matter of fact, they teed off GDOT so that we wouldn't get dollars to come to the community. This previous uh administration, along with chairwoman Carlotta Hurrel in Henry County, has secured two billion dollars. [1:20:30, 1:20:50]: To widen almost every road around here. But because of what happened in the past, all of our projects are at the bottom of the list. Now, the project that you're seeing from Hudson Bridge Road onto Jonesboro Road is now underway. That project was approved first in 2018 and is just now getting underway. [1:20:50, 1:21:10]: But it'll provide four-lane highway from Hudson Bridge Road to Jodico through the middle of the mixed-use development down to Jonesboro Road. Highway 42 is going to be widened from McDonough to Startbridge, but it's going to be in the year 2030. So it's going to be a while because we just secured those funds. [1:21:10, 1:21:24]: when we got on when we got in into office. So it takes seven to eight years before anything else would happen after that. We're doing everything that we can to get these transportation dollars here as quickly as possible. [1:21:24, 1:21:35]: Matter of fact, got a phone call tomorrow with uh Congressman Osau or Senator Ossoff's office about trying to get some paving dollars for uh Eagles Landing Parkway. [1:21:35, 1:21:55]: Tomorrow, that's right, because we're doing everything that we can to assist and to move forward with transportation dollars uh for the community. But please understand this highway is going to be wide and it's going to take time. But in this plan here, the developer they're gonna have to add deceleration lanes and acceleration. [1:21:55, 1:22:06]: acceleration lanes as traffic improvements to this area so that folks don't have to slow down, they can get into the the the D sell lane and they can turn into the neighborhood. Is that correct? [1:22:07, 1:22:27]: Yes, that's correct. And when they're leaving the neighborhood, they don't have to pull right out into busy Highway 42. They'll have an acceleration lane there. And for correction, Highway 42 is three lanes in this area, not two. And this is what's coming, but it's going to take a while because we have like I said, we've done everything that we could to [1:22:27, 1:22:32]: to move forward, but certainly understanding is there gonna be some patience. [1:22:32, 1:22:38]: As a matter of fact, Highway forty two is being widened right now from the Walmart [1:22:38, 1:22:58]: Highway six to I-675 exit two uh in a fifty million dollar project. Rock Quarry Road will start widening as well later on this year. We'll start having Rock Quarry Road widening. So many things are coming to us. Many things are coming. So let's be patient and understanding that things. [1:22:58, 1:22:59]: Things are happening here. [1:23:00, 1:23:20]: Thank you. All right. Okay, we'll move on. Rezoning case RZ-2024-10 for two parcels at 1778 and 1872 Highway 42 North. Once again, Council District 5. Consideration of rezoning request to assign the zoning districts of PUD plan uh [1:23:20, 1:23:29]: Development and PMU Parkway mixed use overlay district of two parcels of 1778 and 1872. [1:23:30, 1:23:45]: Highway 42 North after their annexation into the city of Stockbridge from unincorporated Henry County to allow for construction of missed mixed residential development, which would contain single family detached homes, townhomes, bungalows, and commercial uses. [1:23:45, 1:23:58]: Owner Rowan Properties LP Applicant Meritage Home CO Clay Kirkley Agent Haley Todd PEC. The property is located landlock thirty-five in district seven and contains forty eight point five nine acres. Okay. [1:24:02, 1:24:06]: Need a motion to approve this uh to vote this rezoning case. Yeah. [1:24:06, 1:24:07]: Yes, ma'am. [1:24:08, 1:24:09]: Yes. [1:24:10, 1:24:20]: My number um the applicant, Mr. Wood, mentioned number seven and a grocer. Was that clarified? Um number seven. Seven on the [1:24:22, 1:24:24]: Come come to the mic, please, sir, so we can hear you. [1:24:24, 1:24:26]: It it's conditioned on the site plan. [1:24:30, 1:24:39]: I know there was a lot of discussion on it, but I wasn't sure what the how the final condition would read. If it said if it's a grocery anchored center, it is allowed to have pumps or [1:24:40, 1:24:46]: Yeah, we got we got a we got um legislation coming up after this to address some of those. [1:24:47, 1:24:52]: Well this would uh it'll be more than this. [1:24:53, 1:25:13]: [5113.2, 5113.6]: Yeah. [1:25:13, 1:25:16]: Well the preponderance of their um [1:25:18, 1:25:38]: In their their revenue would be driven from other products other than the gasoline station like the Costco. Right. And the staff would draft and legal would draft the the appropriate language. How would how would that how do you have any idea how you verb the verbiage uh just the legal idea how the verbiage would be? Um we'll we'll say um d that [1:25:38, 1:25:53]: that we'll identify that parcel on the site plan and say that it should be a grocery store and uh that the major portion of its sale it can have a gas pump if the if the majority of its sales come from other items beside gasoline sales. [1:25:54, 1:25:56]: Well just like something like that. [1:25:57, 1:26:03]: All right. You you have that I do have another one he got. Go write it, please. [1:26:04, 1:26:07]: You had another one? Yes, uh uh number two. [1:26:10, 1:26:14]: of Hasley Alexander mentioned the right of way lives. [1:26:18, 1:26:20]: You had that anyway. [1:26:21, 1:26:25]: The inn units of the town homes will be brick facing the public uh view. [1:26:29, 1:26:32]: We can send you the notes tomorrow. Go Gordon's taking notes too. [1:26:41, 1:26:41]: Yes, ma'am. [1:26:47, 1:26:48]: Yes, ma'am. Mm-hmm. [1:26:49, 1:27:00]: And we need to strike that one about the barbershop, all of that. We've already discussed that. Uh it's under the highway park co corps. Yeah, they'll be banned. So you're saying Yeah. [1:27:02, 1:27:07]: Ms. Barber has a question, Mayor. Uh no, go ahead, please. Ms. Barber, do you have a question? [1:27:08, 1:27:19]: I have a series of questions. Thank you, Mayor, for acknowledging me. You're welcome. Um so Mr. Anderson, can you tell me how many entry and exit points are there [1:27:20, 1:27:22]: On to Campground Road. [1:27:23, 1:27:24]: Um [1:27:25, 1:27:26]: One. [1:27:30, 1:27:32]: Cause I'm looking up at the very top. [1:27:33, 1:27:38]: I see uh I see when is that correct? Four oh, it's four. Four. [1:27:38, 1:27:47]: Que them out to me. Because I only see two. It's four. That's the main one. One two. [1:27:47, 1:27:57]: Only specifically to Campground Road. Sure. So Campground has a limited that means right in, right out, to get into the retail faster so you clear the lane. [1:27:58, 1:28:10]: Uh it has one coming into the primary, uh, retail and residential here as well as this side. That's three and the one, two, three. And then over here on the little office it has its own little entry. So that's four. [1:28:11, 1:28:27]: Thank you. Yeah. How about highway forty two? I just want to make sure I'm looking at this right now. It does too. It has a limited right in, right out, uh so you can get in faster just as you're coming for the intersection that has the main entrance, so two on uh on highway forty two. [1:28:27, 1:28:29]: Thank you, sir. You're welcome. [1:28:30, 1:28:32]: Um okay, so let's see. [1:28:34, 1:28:43]: The ten feet walking trails, those are are automatically included, correct? Yes, by code on the furniture. Yes. Okay. Um [1:28:45, 1:28:47]: I don't see any mention of a clubhouse. [1:28:47, 1:29:00]: Glovehouse. Mm-hmm. Is that not something that they would be amenable to? Yes, we we we need to. That's a question that I'm asking Mr. Aaron. Yes. I'll let I'll let the applicant answer. [1:29:02, 1:29:10]: Uh so yeah, w the term we refer to in the application is a cabana so that it has like an outside area as well as bathrooms, but it goes with the pool. [1:29:10, 1:29:19]: And so we have a we'll have a cabana in a pool and then we're looking at sport courts or bocce, anything like that. Okay. And how many people will that cabana hold? [1:29:19, 1:29:24]: So the uh in terms of inside of it? Mm-hmm. Oh, I don't even know. [1:29:27, 1:29:28]: Approximately. [1:29:29, 1:29:49]: I d I don't know. It's probably I mean, if you have uh, you know, the typical pool day, you have thirty people at the pool, maybe five people go in there. I don't know, seven. I I know they're not it's not giGanttic. It's not made to like is a like a more of you see on the age restricted where they're you kind of s setting it up for like bingo and tables and stuff. It's more of it's more of [1:29:49, 1:30:09]: Be able to have a place to get out of the sun, relax, have a drink, and go to the bathroom, everything like that. The reason why I'm asking is because I know that there are oftentimes these communities want to host like you know, their HOA meetings or birthday parties or receptions, those kinds of things. And just having a clubhouse. [1:30:09, 1:30:14]: house specific to their subdivision just gives them, you know, the availability for them to [1:30:14, 1:30:22]: You know, do it right in their community. That's why I'm asking. I gotcha. I gotcha. That's all. That's not something that you all would be amenable to. [1:30:24, 1:30:25]: Just asking. [1:30:26, 1:30:27]: Yes. [1:30:30, 1:30:50]: It it it sounds like I know I know personally usually it's over two hundred when they do the giant uh uh clubhouses. I I would think that's not what we were trying to go for here because we're you know, we have so many trails and the retail are trying to get everybody out there. And so I think the vision of this would be if they had those meetings, they would either have them outside. [1:30:50, 1:30:53]: [5453.9, 5455.5]: Okay. Well I [1:30:55, 1:31:00]: I a actually support having clubhouses and a pool. [1:31:00, 1:31:08]: in each of our subdivisions, but nonetheless, um that's something that I will consider when I make a decision on this. Um let's see. [1:31:10, 1:31:17]: And I see that you have the connectivity between the different housing types. Thank you. Thank you for that. Um [1:31:19, 1:31:32]: The front and side yard setbacks, Mr. Anderson. I'm sorry, sir. I know that the council approved um updates to our codes. Did we change the front yard setbacks to fifteen feet? [1:31:33, 1:31:45]: Um no it that w that was pertaining to the MFR uh district, to multi uh multifamily residential district. That that's the one that we addressed in our recent legislation, not not PUD. [1:31:45, 1:31:49]: Thank you, sir. So under the PUD, the front yard sit back. [1:31:49, 1:32:03]: The p PUD is site plan specific is whatever um the applicant proposed and proposed and if counsel accepts it and then it will be then it will be um conditioned on that site plan. Okay. So can you tell me for this particular proposal? [1:32:04, 1:32:07]: What is the front yard setback that they are proposing? [1:32:07, 1:32:08]: Uh [1:32:09, 1:32:14]: W when you include the um the sidewalks and the right of way, uh it's it exceeds thirty feet. [1:32:15, 1:32:21]: Thirty feet. Mm-hmm. Okay. And that's what we that's and that's what we specified in our MFR district. [1:32:21, 1:32:24]: Thank you, sir. What about the um side yard setbacks? [1:32:24, 1:32:44]: Um the side yard setbacks uh it usually applies to the S R R district and in the MF M F R district it replies to the building. So it's like twenty feet between each building. So but like I said, PUD is site plan specific, it's like custom. You customize your [1:32:44, 1:33:04]: your setbacks and things and council votes to approve or disapprove. Okay, so for this PUD, well, I'll let him tell me then since he's so it depends, you know, which house is chosen on the lot. Um if it's the biggest one, they could be, you know, 12 feet apart and then they can go up to being 15, 16 feet apart. [1:33:04, 1:33:16]: you know, lot to lot, just depending on the house,'cause, you know, some houses are forty feet wide, some of'em are thirty six feet like a ranch. So it it there's some variation there. Okay. For the custom builds. I get it. [1:33:16, 1:33:18]: I gotcha. Okay. [1:33:18, 1:33:19]: Um, let me see. [1:33:20, 1:33:23]: So I don't really like the [1:33:25, 1:33:45]: short or close um units or houses. So I like to see distance in between the units, whether they are single family homes or town homes. That's all. That's just what I prefer. I gotcha. Are you amenable to reduce the density [1:33:45, 1:33:52]: the town homes so that way you can make room for clubhouse or is there an area [1:33:52, 1:34:12]: They they don't have I mean, honestly, we when we did this plan when we when we reduced the hundred and twenty-one units, we kind of put and then we further reduced it with the cabana, you know, with the uh um bungalows. That I they pretty much kind of got to the like their best foot forward. This plan, we looked at the engineering on it, we knew we could execute. [1:34:12, 1:34:20]: Execute it. So this this is the plan we're we need and propose. Because uh honestly, and on and to kind of address some of those comments is [1:34:20, 1:34:40]: If an if an hoa isn't enough in years to come, they they really can struggle and fail. Like if there's too much to maintain, the pool's too giGanttic, it has too much on it, the clubhouse is too big, and it starts going down in 20 years, those those HOAs bec can become a problem. So we we know we can make a very successful subdivision. [1:34:40, 1:34:46]: and what you see today. And that's why we wanted to be transparent in with what we're putting forward, we can execute a high quality development. [1:34:46, 1:34:47]: Thank you, sir. [1:34:47, 1:34:49]: Um let's see. [1:34:50, 1:34:58]: Price points. Can you tell me what the price points are that you kind of can guesstimate for the townhomes? [1:34:59, 1:35:15]: Sure. I mean, I I think all of them are gonna be what we've kind of talked about is uh mid threes up to into the fours and then the single family and bungs bungalows are gonna be fours and up into the fives for dislocation. Probably even sixes as they get bigger. [1:35:16, 1:35:18]: So for the town homes you said mid four hundreds? [1:35:19, 1:35:22]: Mid threes, up into the four hundreds, mid fours. [1:35:22, 1:35:25]: That's a four. Okay, and the single family you said [1:35:26, 1:35:40]: They're gonna be into the low low four hundreds and they're gonna go into the fives and even to the six depending on basement and options and you can option it up. Uh everything is market depending. And so if if everything starts immediately selling, I mean they could get up [1:35:40, 1:35:41]: Extremely high. [1:35:42, 1:35:45]: Okay, thank you. Um the square footage. [1:35:46, 1:35:47]: For the town homes. [1:35:52, 1:35:52]: Oh. [1:35:54, 1:35:57]: So on the town homes [1:35:59, 1:36:10]: They range from the the smallest pack the smallest one could be seventeen thirty six and then they go all the way up to tw two thousand one hundred and sixty five. [1:36:12, 1:36:16]: Okay. Thank you for that. What about the single family homes? [1:36:17, 1:36:37]: The single family range from uh 2400 to just under 3300, and then with basements can go up to four. And the ranch homes are uh 1800 to uh right at 2,000 square feet. That would be a one level. So there's two types. The big ones are the big ones obviously. [1:36:37, 1:36:40]: Those are the b way bigger uh two story. [1:36:40, 1:36:46]: And tell me um for the bungalows you said the square foot? Those go up to twenty four forty three. [1:36:52, 1:36:56]: Okay. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. You're welcome. That's all I have. [1:36:57, 1:37:00]: Mayor. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Sir, don't don't leave. [1:37:01, 1:37:21]: Certainly, I think um we had talked about the clubhouse and I think we I don't know how that kind of but there's going to be a clubhouse. So we did one similar down at Winding Creek that will hold about forty or fifty people and certainly something appropriate to that level because Winding Creek has maybe like a hundred [1:37:21, 1:37:41]: hundred and I think they got like 107, 120 houses in there, but certainly on the many zooms that we had, we certainly talked and discussed about having a clubhouse. I think you said that about the cabana, but I think I really emphasize that we wanted to have a clubhouse that's mandatory on every subdivision. [1:37:41, 1:38:01]: that we do that's over a hundred units. So this is kind of where we are on that. But we're not asking you to do a clubhouse that holds 500 people, but certainly appropriate for what we do, something about 40 to 50 people. And that would be equivalent to what you did in a little larger maybe than what you did in Winding Creek, which has [1:38:00, 1:38:18]: a hundred homes. This one has 168, but something in there between 40 and 50 people. I I like to have my town halls over there. So I've had several town halls over there and they have a nice little setup with the pool there and they have uh for they have town halls there. Gotcha. Okay. [1:38:18, 1:38:34]: I've no the comments, uh I've already read I do, Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. Considering what Councilman Alexander just mentioned, if he's going to build a clubhouse, will that require you to decrease the amount of units that you have? [1:38:34, 1:38:35]: No. [1:38:36, 1:38:39]: No? No. Okay, so where would the clubhouse go? [1:38:39, 1:38:43]: Maybe what it opposed. I mean it where you where you see it. [1:38:44, 1:38:46]: For the cabana? Mm-hmm. [1:38:46, 1:38:47]: Okay. [1:38:48, 1:39:02]: Um it's an area it's an area larger than that. Um, you know, maybe another four hundred, five hundred square feet of green space gets taken up, but it'll still fit in there if we need it to fit. We're just trying to avoid the additional HOA fee part of it. [1:39:03, 1:39:05]: Okay. Um [1:39:05, 1:39:07]: But would you have the parking space? [1:39:08, 1:39:14]: To accommodate a larger clubhouse. Oh yeah. Okay. That's why I'm asking if you would be able to re [1:39:14, 1:39:16]: If you would have to reduce the density. [1:39:17, 1:39:18]: Thank you, sir. [1:39:21, 1:39:41]: Okay, I need a motion to approve, please. Mayor, based on the what we've just discussed, certainly we will have a that add that to the conditions, a clubhouse of the comp staff will work through that, uh forty to fifty people capacity, something similar to what we had up at the Winding Creek subdivision, uh that would be appropriate. Uh [1:39:41, 1:40:01]: For that, let's add that condition uh in there. We got the pool already um uh in there uh as well. All of these conditions uh that are listed, the metal uh street lights uh that were listed, the flock cameras that were listed. Uh Miss Holliday, will you read back the conditions? [1:40:06, 1:40:15]: So other than the staff conditions, they're gonna change to number two with the townhomes having the [1:40:15, 1:40:29]: brick on the sides that are facing the public. And then on number seven, um staff is going to create language that identifies what the grocery store would be like. [1:40:30, 1:40:33]: Number nine has ten percent rental cap. [1:40:34, 1:40:39]: Number 10 is an HOA and number eleven is a clubhouse. [1:40:39, 1:40:43]: Um now as I understand it there's the street polls are in the code. [1:40:44, 1:40:55]: But the type of street polls are going to come from staff having conversation with the developer and also flock cameras are already in the code as I understand it. [1:40:55, 1:41:15]: Yes, in addition to that, they would need to be black and metal. Any crosswalks or signalization would need to be metal and black uh as well uh on list. And and even though it's in the code, I want to make sure that we have the ten foot multi-use pass alongs all all [1:41:15, 1:41:35]: All ALL of the frontage along Campground Road and the Highway 42 of this particular property. So I understand the Tabernacle of Praise is going through a very large renovation for their church. So certainly it might be nice if those residents could just walk down to [1:41:35, 1:41:55]: the tabernacle of praise uh along that path because part of that requirement I'm sure in the Henry County standard is that would have they would have to put a 10-foot multi-use path along this corridor uh as well. So certainly this is something that um would be amenable and um to what we had and then again we [1:41:55, 1:42:05]: we talked about the conditions along the highway uh corridor would be the requirement here in the grocery and based upon that mayor uh so moved [1:42:05, 1:42:09]: I wanna make sure that the applicant all those conditions we talked about, you're all good with those, correct? [1:42:10, 1:42:11]: Okay. As you nod your head, yes. All right. [1:42:12, 1:42:14]: Oh, motions are made and is there a second? [1:42:15, 1:42:23]: Mr. Berry second then. You got it right there, Tom. All right. All favor, please indicate. All pose. Sustain. [1:42:23, 1:42:38]: I will abstain. I have concerns about the density and I support the annexation. I just have concerns about um planning for all this growth. That's all. Three zero one, the motion passed. Congratulations, gentlemen. All right. [1:42:40, 1:43:00]: All right, what we got next, uh Text Amendment case TX uh 2024-06 for the gas station distance requirements citywide. Consideration of ordinance in the text amendment to amend Title 12 Unified Development Code, Chapter 3, Use Regulation, Section 3.2.14 C. [1:43:00, 1:43:20]: to add sections 3.2 point one four E F G H I I J K L N N O P. I get the whole alphabet here, okay? Relating to the gas uh gasoline service stations so as to amend the gas station distance requirement four thousand feet to eight hundred feet. [1:43:20, 1:43:40]: And to add additional requirements providing uh to provide the serve uh servability, severability to the repeal uh conflicting ordinances to provide an affected date and for other purposes. Mr. Ryan, please. Can I ask a question, Mayor, before we get started? Yes, sir. Mr. Anderson, I I this right here, okay. [1:43:40, 1:43:58]: So the uh the approach, I trying to understand the approach and then hopefully you'll explain what it is. Wouldn't it just be might be a I don't know what this approach is that that that they were bringing to council for a approval to get this variance whether then [1:43:58, 1:44:18]: Councilman Malizella, we don't have a provision in the code for that. So that's what we're trying to uh implement. We're trying to anything that we do, we can put that caveat on there that they would have to come back council. Oh, that's that's definitely yeah. They would need a special use permit. We're reducing it and replacing it with a special use permit required. Okay, so this is a special use permit. Yeah, so that's all we're doing. We're asking the re because we have [1:44:18, 1:44:32]: have several um um potential mixed use developments uh that we're working on. Um and currently they so all we're asking is that the applicant, the developer be able to bring his bring his proposal to council. [1:44:33, 1:44:53]: So council can decide based on the individual merits of the project. So currently they can't even come before council to ask for that reduction because there's no provision in the code. So we're just asking you to reduce it from forty five hundred to eight hundred feet with a special use permit by council. So council still will control the entire process. Well, this would be like something uh [1:44:53, 1:45:13]: And then we had Costco on the other side there that might be a little bit close. That's what you're trying to accomplish here? Yes, sir. Similar to that. But what would allow Costco's was [1:45:13, 1:45:33]: Was that it was governed by the Bridges of Johto Coast South Master Plan, and that master plan trumps our zoning ordinance. But citywide, there's no provision for this. So which but that's what I'm saying. It's the same concept, which is without that development agreement, they wouldn't have been able to do that. Exactly. But in the future, if there was somebody who wanted to do something like this development. [1:45:33, 1:45:53]: development right here and there is there was a gas station right down the street, then this Publix or this or Kroger or whatever would be able to do that. Yes, sir. Like the analogy you gave earlier when you mentioned Kroger, like it would be like a potential Kroger with pumps. That would be part of the development that we recent we just heard. So currently [1:45:53, 1:46:07]: they wouldn't be able to come before you with that proposal with the current regulations in place. If we amend it, then they could come before council and ask for a special use permit. And council has the right to deny or approve. [1:46:07, 1:46:19]: Yeah, uh you go ahead with your whole presentation, but I wanted to make it clear to anybody that's watching, this is not this is something that would for unique situations that would be rare. Yes, sir. Thank you. [1:46:21, 1:46:22]: Mm. [1:46:22, 1:46:42]: So the Mayor you finished you finished. I'm ready? Okay. Um so basically we're asking uh I'm coming before council asking for permission to amend the distance requirements from gas stations from forty five hundred feet to eight hundred feet with a special use permit. And add additional requirements for convenience or as we with gas stations. Um [1:46:44, 1:46:45]: Let me go to those theaters. [1:46:48, 1:46:50]: I'm trying to speed it up, Mayor. [1:46:53, 1:47:13]: Okay, so these are additional requirements for a a gas station. A gas gas service station must be located on a property which has furniture on either a collector or an arterial. It can't go into residential or collector streets as classified by the Georgia Department of Transportation or Henry County Department of Transportation. Gasoline. [1:47:13, 1:47:32]: Gasoline service stations are allowed with a base zoning of C3. Gasoline service stations are allowed in the C2 General Commercial District via a special use permit. All property design standards of the base zoning district must be met. Building facades for both primary and accessory structures must be constructed of brick on all sides. [1:47:33, 1:47:37]: A at the stations an equal number of electric charging stations [1:47:37, 1:47:39]: As gas pumps must be provided on the site. [1:47:40, 1:47:43]: Covered canopies must be provided over gas stations and electric charging stations. [1:47:44, 1:47:45]: an acceptable [1:47:45, 1:47:55]: Means of access and internal circulation must be provided to determined by the fire marshal. The required number of parking spaces of the base zoning district must be provided. [1:47:56, 1:48:00]: The required buffers of the base zoning district must be provided. [1:48:00, 1:48:03]: The square footage of the gasoline service stations wants to be at least [1:48:04, 1:48:23]: 5,000 square feet. Must the the gasoline service station must have suites to accommodate at least two sub tenants. All gasoline service stations must meet the meet the other related City of Stockbridge code and ordinances. And other special requirements to be turned by the community development director must be met. [1:48:25, 1:48:35]: Here is the proposed ordinance and it has all those requirements in there. Uh this was vetted by legal uh Valerie Ross. So [1:48:36, 1:48:48]: So basically to sum it all up, we're just asking for permission to replace the uh forty five hundred distance requirement with a special use permit to be approved by council. [1:48:50, 1:48:50]: Okay. [1:48:51, 1:48:53]: Any other questions for Mr. Ryan? [1:48:54, 1:48:56]: Go ahead, please, Ms. Barber. [1:48:56, 1:49:03]: Um so I'm confused. Why explain again, why are we reducing the distance requirement? [1:49:04, 1:49:19]: Um, because we have sep like for instance, say if a a Kroger wanted to come into the city of Stockbridge, a new Kroger or Ingalls or whatever, that they have gas pumps, they can't come into the city right now because of the distance requirements. [1:49:23, 1:49:38]: So what so what what we're asking for, staff still can't approve it, but we just want them to be able to bring their proposals to city council and city coun council review the the proposal and make a determination based on the merits of that proposal. [1:49:39, 1:49:59]: So grocery stores are not one of the one stores that is restricted though. Well, the it's not the store. It it's the gas sales which is prohibited. So we're asking the gasoline sales be reduced to 800 feet with a special use permit approved by city council. They still can't do it. [1:49:59, 1:50:02]: Without coming to get blessing from the city council. [1:50:02, 1:50:08]: So all we're doing is giving them an opportunity to come before council to present their proposal. [1:50:09, 1:50:29]: Okay, I'm just thinking in terms of areas where a Kroger or a Aldies would um submit a proposal. And the only places that I know that there is areas such as this would be in my district, and perhaps his, City Council District Five. [1:50:29, 1:50:31]: So [1:50:31, 1:50:47]: Maybe an uh Well that's that's that's partially true, Council Member Barber, but uh Have you received any requests? I've re I've received some interest, yes ma'am. Okay. Thank you. Yes. [1:50:48, 1:50:50]: Any other questions for the council? [1:50:52, 1:50:55]: All right, seeing none, I need a motion to [1:50:56, 1:51:10]: Uh an emotion to approve this uh change. Mayor, can I say something? Uh go ahead, sir. The Planning Commission uh they recommended approval unanimously unanimously and uh this is part of a public hearing, so you got to open it up. [1:51:10, 1:51:23]: All right. Thank you, sir. Keep me straight. All right. Public hearing. You're absolutely right. Jump the gun. All right. For folks that are here that are uh on my far left side that are approved this, the rest of proving this will make positive comments for my far left side. [1:51:24, 1:51:31]: In the middle or the far right? No comments. Any comments from our far left side and the comments against this particular proposal. In the middle? [1:51:32, 1:51:42]: My far right. No comments for or against Mr. Anderson. Thank you for reminding me about that. All right. Uh council, it's up to you. What's what's your requirement? What's the thing? Motion to approve or disapprove? [1:51:46, 1:51:47]: Male. [1:51:49, 1:51:54]: Yes, ma'am. It has to be a special use permit and they have to have permission, yeah, from council to [1:51:54, 1:51:56]: To move forward with anything. [1:51:57, 1:51:58]: Is there a second? [1:51:59, 1:52:01]: Ms. Barber Sake from Ms. Ganttham. Ms. Barber, all in favor, please indicate. [1:52:02, 1:52:22]: Now it's decision outstanding. Thank you, guys. All right, appreciate it. New business. Council consideration to approve the annual contract RFP 2020-0026 with site engineering incorporated for on-call water and sewer emergency and operational repair, maintenance, and construction services in amount of four hundred thousand dollars as approved by the F. [1:52:22, 1:52:30]: 2025 budget. This is the fourth and final renewal of the on-call utility contract to service to be bidded out. [1:52:30, 1:52:50]: Mr. Aaron, please. Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. We come before you tonight asking you to renew site engineering for the final time for the on call water and sewer contract. They've been very instrumental in assisting the city over the last seven or eight years with projects, particularly stormwater. They're also [1:52:50, 1:53:10]: able to help us fast track the GDOT project on Highway 138 where they were widening the road. We had to move infrastructure there. So we're just asking that you renew them. It's always good to have a utility contractor on board in case an emergency come up at night. They don't have to follow the process. [1:53:10, 1:53:17]: as we do as far as procurement and things of that nature. So in event of emergency, it'll be a great benefit to us. [1:53:17, 1:53:25]: Thank you. Comments qu uh counsel. Yes. We please. Now I'm I'm amenable to extending contract, but this [1:53:25, 1:53:27]: Number four might be the [1:53:28, 1:53:43]: We've got three in already. Isn't it time to go back out? It's going out to be this is the final renewal. What we typically do is a one year contract. [1:53:43, 1:54:03]: But that's what the R F was one year with four annual four one year renewal. So it's a term of five years after it is completed. Right. But I thought we had agreed that we weren't gonna do that long anymore. We're gonna do about three years, maybe two, three years, and then we would send it back out to the market because that's [1:54:03, 1:54:06]: I mean, uh, how much time do we have? [1:54:06, 1:54:21]: But uh one thing about it, the more time you have on it, the better rates you get, cause you lock in a lower rate, cause right now in the utility industry, prices are escalating tremendously. And we're locked in at prices that we got [1:54:22, 1:54:31]: Five years ago, four or five years ago, they're locked into that price versus what today's current prices are. So the longer the term you typically get better pricing. [1:54:32, 1:54:52]: No, but we don't know what today's prices is because it's been four years now. Yes, we do. Sir, we we have those prices. And like I say, every project that site does for us, one of our engineers review it to either we let site do it or we bid it out based on the pricing. Like when G Dot came to us, we had to move those. [1:54:52, 1:55:12]: utilities they did it for around 130 something the engineer consulted with some firms that do the it was over 400 000 so we are getting competitive pricing using those but if their prices are out of line we bid the project but their prices have been very reasonable when it comes to the [1:55:12, 1:55:16]: all of these multitude of stormwater repairs we've made. [1:55:16, 1:55:24]: It it's just been my experience that the longer the term you tend to get better pricing because you don't have that fluctuation if you do it every two or three years. [1:55:24, 1:55:44]: I certainly kind of agree with what you're saying, but I generally don't like four or five year contracts. I like something shorter to that than to be able to move on. I four or five is a stretch. Maybe three um is uh is kind of where we are now. So if if we did put it back out for bid [1:55:44, 1:56:03]: then with this these they would be able to they would be able to offer up again, right? And they may be rechosen again. Yes, they would they would be it again, but the prices are gonna be higher. Now you got all these tariffs and other things going in into effect, that's gonna greatly impact a lot of things, especially in utilities,'cause you're dealing with a lot of things that include [1:56:03, 1:56:14]: Steel that includes aluminum, copper, all of that that you have the tariffs that is coming from overseas, it's gonna greatly impact the prices, but they're locked into these prices we currently have. [1:56:15, 1:56:18]: Okay. Okay, thank you. Yes, Ms. Barber. [1:56:20, 1:56:33]: Thank you, Mr. Aaron. Um and Councilman Alexander he's funny. Um thank you, Mr. Aaron. I do see you did note on here that it is the fourth and final renewal. Yes. And I agree with everything that you've said. [1:56:34, 1:56:35]: They are locked in. [1:56:35, 1:56:36]: Any rate. [1:56:37, 1:56:49]: until this current contract expires. It is advantageous for us to renew this again locked in at whatever rate we already we already have with them. [1:56:49, 1:56:52]: So I do support rebidding this though. [1:56:53, 1:56:57]: Yes, we are gonna rebuild it. This is the final renewal. I see. I see you haven't noted here. [1:56:57, 1:56:58]: Um [1:56:59, 1:57:07]: One of the things that would have been helpful though, I'd like to see how much we actually spent with site engineering in 2024. [1:57:08, 1:57:10]: The entire year. [1:57:10, 1:57:18]: Get an idea. I can I can get that straight. We don't have that information. I can get that to you. The majority of it has been stormwater free. [1:57:20, 1:57:20]: That's okay. [1:57:20, 1:57:21]: That's okay. [1:57:22, 1:57:23]: Um this is fine. [1:57:24, 1:57:28]: If the council doesn't have any other questions, I will make a motion, sir. [1:57:29, 1:57:42]: Mayor to approve this so we can move on. We'll just ask the council. Any other anybody got any other questions, concerns? If not, then go right here please. Okay. At the recommendation of uh Mr. Aaron, um [1:57:42, 1:57:51]: I support approving of the annual renewal of this site engineering contract, not to exceed the four hundred thousand dollars. [1:57:53, 1:57:56]: I second. Okay, Ms. Gantt, second. All favor, please indicate. [1:57:56, 1:58:16]: Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you, sir. Okay. Council consideration for approval to replace the grass seeding area in an amphitheater with FBI Flex PAVE in the amount of$165,000. Yellowstone landscape is$58,953, and KBI Industries Incorporated$98,095. [1:58:16, 1:58:22]: Funny source would be Splos. Once again, Miss OK. Ow. Al is here. Who is her? [1:58:23, 1:58:39]: Yes, good evening, Mayor and Council. Um I'm here to present a recommendation for changing a lawn at the amphitheater for the flex plave. Um you should have a little bit of information as far as pricing as well as the [1:58:39, 1:58:42]: The brochure that they provided for us. [1:58:43, 1:58:51]: Um, I do have a little PowerPoint presentation so you can kinda see the condition that that lawn is in when it's in an off season. [1:58:51, 1:58:54]: Then go ahead, sir, please. [1:58:57, 1:58:58]: Oh good, right here. [1:59:02, 1:59:03]: Okay. [1:59:05, 1:59:06]: I think that's it. Okay. [1:59:15, 1:59:16]: Skip. [1:59:19, 1:59:24]: Арай, зрай, аз, амптиат, [1:59:25, 1:59:27]: for the community as well as to bring [1:59:29, 1:59:40]: um acts and different types of events to our community. Um with the lawn you see right now is basically the the condition it was when we was first built. [1:59:43, 2:00:03]: This right here is what the lawn looks, and this is the issues of the lawn. It has pathways in the off-season, sinkholes. You can also see matted grass and hills. Right now it has heavy traffic use. For my recommendation, for my understanding, that it was not built for. [2:00:03, 2:00:09]: To have seating on it. It was basically for lawn chairs, blankets of sorts. [2:00:12, 2:00:16]: I got that, but it cuts down on your attendance by the way too, by the way. So I know. [2:00:17, 2:00:37]: This right here is Flex Pave. I also do have some samples that you all can hold and actually take a look at. I'm sorry I didn't get that to you soon enough. But this right here is just basically a description of Flex Pave. Um it has pores, it's able to have water run through it. So also with the system that we [2:00:37, 2:00:47]: currently have at the amphitheater the drainage we wouldn't have to do n nothing to it. It would actually water would just drain straight through it as if it was a lawn itself. [2:00:48, 2:00:50]: That's just a brief description of it. [2:00:52, 2:01:01]: Um also you the features and benefit, it does not crack like typical pavement. Um is easy to clean. [2:01:02, 2:01:15]: And also down here has the benefits for it as well as the improve the water quality, cleans water as it passes through the material. It manages storm water as well. [2:01:15, 2:01:23]: And it's also conducive with the environment. This is disused by tires as well as recycling material. [2:01:28, 2:01:40]: Um this right here is examples of some pictures. Um is also used on um Atlanta um Beltway, the Beltline Project as well. But this right here is just a couple of pictures. [2:01:46, 2:01:47]: I suppose we [2:01:48, 2:01:50]: It could be feel true like a different. [2:01:52, 2:02:12]: The spree. Uh flex pave would also uh reduce operating costs. It would kinda it would actually lower the cost of having the lawn service in there as far as cutting, wheat eating, and trying to treat as far as fertilizing as well. So this offers a long time um lifespan. [2:02:12, 2:02:18]: And it should revitalize the seating of the amphitheater along with the rebranding of its name. [2:02:19, 2:02:22]: So we should have added another look to it as well. [2:02:24, 2:02:26]: And that's the end. Any questions? [2:02:27, 2:02:33]: Well I I have to admit I like the concept. I hope that the council will approve this. Go ahead, Mr Alexander. [2:02:33, 2:02:53]: I like the concept, but this is hard as a rock. And um I think uh what I kinda had in mind was maybe like the prescription athletic turf that they use on the football fields. Mm-hmm. This scene I don't know, maybe it's just a sample of how the sample look. Because if you lose on the uh the what they use on the football fields is [2:02:53, 2:02:55]: You know, if you fell on this [2:02:56, 2:03:04]: Well you you hopefully people won't be following on you. I'm just but but I'm saying you know how people do, right? I mean somebody gonna try to whatever the case may be. Uh Mr. Young, can you come up [2:03:06, 2:03:26]: But again, this I don't know, maybe this is just what the sample is like. Is this what it's actually gonna be like or is this just what the sample They have actually um I think Miss Barber has the one that is actually a little spongy. A lot of spongy. But also you have to think we're putting seating on top of that. Right. [2:03:26, 2:03:27]: Yeah. [2:03:28, 2:03:29]: Yeah, you know this is a [2:03:29, 2:03:36]: You need to emphasize that. Right. You put in what I got. Well water water does go through it. [2:03:37, 2:03:55]: But but what I'm saying is that you do you understand what I'm talking about? On the football field, it's like y'all been on the p you've been on the athletic fields that have the uh prescription athletic turf where it's it's not this hard. It's like it's almost like it feels like real grass. You've been on the one turf field? [2:03:56, 2:04:16]: The uh the advantage uh first of good evening, uh the advantage of that product is first of all you're putting chairs and you're sitting on it. So the problem that we're having is that the weight now we have dirt and um when people sit down when it rains, people seeking her into the ground. [2:04:16, 2:04:36]: So that was sustain people from falling. Right. It's not so much of, it's also a look too. It'll be a nice clean look all the time. And we have to worry about what's happened is last year we did 12 um, we had to move the chairs$12. Every time we move the 12s, it's$1,700 approximately. We're talking about [2:04:36, 2:04:51]: close to twenty thousand dollars and just moving the chairs the lawn. Just to mow the lawn. That that is hard. Just to just to move the chairs. Yeah. Yeah, so I mean so it's it's it's it's very, very I mean the way the things are right now is very costly. [2:04:51, 2:05:06]: Before I c before I close and and I think the other councilman has some other questions too, we had discussed actually doing some turf down in the pit area because it's a hundred and ten degrees when the s when the sun is shining down there. [2:05:06, 2:05:15]: What would do well, we don't have an estimate on being able to do that and now we got a sponsor. Certainly we should have some dollars to be able to fund that because [2:05:15, 2:05:19]: In the summertime when the heat is shining down on that pit area and [2:05:20, 2:05:22]: It's a hundred and ten in there. [2:05:22, 2:05:39]: This would actually help lower the temperature on the concrete. Uh if we were to actually invest in some type of artificial, cause that concrete is so hot. Even on a ninety degree day, it's too hot. So what can we do about adding that in, whether we do this or another material? [2:05:41, 2:05:48]: Okay, well one of the things I don't know if you if you really know about turf. Turf has little rubber pellets in it. Mm-hmm. [2:05:48, 2:05:50]: So as people walk [2:05:50, 2:06:10]: You know what saying no little pellets would kick up. So if you if you watch last night's Super Bowl, you will see when they stumble, they fall, they kick up, there's little pellets that are on turf. You know saying so. Then you have to look at a maintenance as far as with that. So that is not just something that you just put down and you just leave with chairs and tables moving. [2:06:10, 2:06:22]: moving across that. Now you aggravating the little pellets that's within that turf. Then also um we did look into getting before actually coming across that, looking at doing turf. [2:06:23, 2:06:25]: Up there on the top of the area where the grass is. [2:06:26, 2:06:27]: Then you have to worry about [2:06:28, 2:06:39]: You know, the little artificial grass sticking up, laying down with the chairs and tables that's constantly sitting down on it. Now you're gonna have little, you know, saying spots and divots all inside of that. [2:06:40, 2:06:40]: Mm. [2:06:40, 2:07:00]: I was before you do it, I would say to you that in reference I would think that this will be phase one. If we wanna look further to the pit area, fa maybe phase two, do this in phases this is already green. We don't keep the green color, this aspect. Um I would think that uh you know we can uh get this done now before the concert season and look at uh maybe next year doing doing another [2:07:00, 2:07:10]: something else in phase two. That's my initial thoughts. Yes ma'am, go ahead please. Well m you know, initially I understood the concept of oh, you want it to be a little spongy, but [2:07:11, 2:07:16]: Women wear heels at their concerts, right? And then you have your chairs, which [2:07:16, 2:07:21]: Put weight down which punctures holes into that spongy. [2:07:21, 2:07:30]: thing. So to me, these this works better with heels. You're not gonna have those indentions and it's not gonna tear it up. Whereas you walk down [2:07:31, 2:07:34]: On that sponge thing, n not even one day. [2:07:34, 2:07:41]: I mean that's it's gonna puncture. Somebody's gonna puncture, you know, based off of weight or size, whatever, you never you never know. [2:07:41, 2:07:50]: But I think that this works now, it might be harder to walk on. I don't know. It's a little rougher, kinda like a rockier sur surface, not really smooth. [2:07:51, 2:07:51]: But [2:07:52, 2:08:02]: you don't want it to puncture and the the softer material's definitely gonna puncture, even with the chairs. I mean, it'll pun you sitting and it it's gonna puncture. So you wanna make sure [2:08:02, 2:08:07]: That whatever we get doesn't puncture what we're purchasing. Ms. Bs Barber Good, please. [2:08:07, 2:08:10]: Yeah, I wanted to ask um Mr. Aaron [2:08:11, 2:08:14]: Is this an item that was budgeted for this year? [2:08:16, 2:08:36]: So uh I'll let uh Frank speak to that. But one of the things I also want to wanna mention is that the softer one, you gotta think when it's a hundred plus degrees or nine and plus, it's gonna get even softer than what it is. And so now you're gonna have folks kind of [2:08:36, 2:08:56]: But we're not getting this off on. We already said that. Even if if you went to the artificial turf, you would have to put a base under there, which more than likely would be concrete, and you put the turf over the concrete. So you kind of defeat the purpose of what you're you're trying to do. And this firm firmer process. [2:08:56, 2:09:03]: product will give you a better product and also the look that you're looking for. I think the people just want to be comfortable [2:09:03, 2:09:18]: And when they sit down and not sinking or falling or something like that, and I think that one will give you what you're looking for. Well I agree, like I said, the pit area. Mr. Malazi Is this an item that was budgeted? [2:09:20, 2:09:36]: This was approved in the SPAS and SPAS is coming in sometime April, May, and they can't wait for this project. So we are taking money in place of SPAS and replaced once Splas comes in. [2:09:36, 2:09:46]: So what I'm asking is the FY twenty twenty five budget that was approved. It was this an is this a line item? [2:09:46, 2:09:48]: In the budget. [2:09:48, 2:09:49]: For the amphitheater. [2:09:50, 2:09:53]: It's one of the allocations that they made in this class. [2:09:54, 2:09:56]: In the splast. Yes. [2:09:56, 2:09:58]: But is this a project? [2:09:59, 2:10:01]: That was a line item. [2:10:01, 2:10:02]: In the budget. [2:10:03, 2:10:03]: Four. [2:10:04, 2:10:05]: The amphitheater. [2:10:06, 2:10:09]: No ma'am, not of this [2:10:10, 2:10:13]: That's all I'm asking. Okay. My next question [2:10:14, 2:10:28]: My next question, the maintenance. Depending on whichever grade of this that you suggest to us, what is the maintenance like? How often do you replace or have to [2:10:29, 2:10:49]: You were replacing if they're damaged, it's just like the fixed seating you have in there. This could be from seven to ten years depending on the the traffic on it, the amount of people that are sitting on it and things of that sort. And it's gonna get weathered because it's out in the weather, just like we replaced some seats already in the amphitheater. Everything has a life expectancy, but [2:10:49, 2:10:51]: This would be seven to ten years. [2:10:53, 2:10:58]: Okay. Um these companies um that you have [2:10:59, 2:11:01]: I guess quotes from [2:11:01, 2:11:03]: They offer warranties. [2:11:03, 2:11:04]: Yes they do. [2:11:05, 2:11:09]: Can you share some details about the warranty? [2:11:10, 2:11:16]: It should be in that brochure that's a part of your package. Just for the public's knowledge. [2:11:36, 2:11:39]: Okay. Uh excuse me. [2:11:41, 2:11:47]: It's a one year material warranty. Extended warranties are available with the additional maintenance program. [2:11:48, 2:11:52]: The additional maintenance program, is that an extra cost? [2:11:53, 2:11:58]: Yes, that'll be a extra cost. Do we know what that extra cost is? [2:11:58, 2:12:02]: No, I don't have that at the um present time. Okay. But I can get that to you. [2:12:02, 2:12:03]: Thank you. [2:12:04, 2:12:09]: Oh, I'm sorry, one more. Mr. Aaron, so which of these grades are you suggesting? [2:12:11, 2:12:29]: I would re while different. I would recommend the the solid one, the more solid. You had the spongier, softer one. But I think Councilmember Gann or Councilmember Berry. No, it's not. It's a brown. [2:12:31, 2:12:38]: I need for you to tell me which one exactly. [2:12:39, 2:12:45]: Okay. [2:12:45, 2:12:46]: Really. [2:12:50, 2:12:55]: I don't see. Like the green. It looked like red. [2:12:58, 2:13:00]: Yeah. [2:13:04, 2:13:20]: Yeah, Miss Barber, there's one that's just soft, but all of them are the same. The only difference is the samples are just the different colors that they come in. But the only one that is different from all of them is that spongy one, the very first one that you had. But the rest of them are all still the same. They're just different colors. [2:13:21, 2:13:21]: Mm-hmm. [2:13:24, 2:13:30]: All right. My qu my question is is probably on the same line. [2:13:30, 2:13:50]: The qu the problem we're having is with the heat. And so this is still like a rock, a granular type material, which is seems to be akin to the concrete that it's gonna push off heat. So my question is, have they given a rating of how hot this material gets? Does it reflect the heat? [2:13:50, 2:13:59]: Does it absorb the heat? Like what's the UV rating on it? Like what is what is what are they saying? I didn't see anything in the presentation about the the temperature. [2:13:59, 2:14:09]: of this material.'Cause that was one of the things that we we've all kind of shared the sentiment about is that on the summer hot days it's right. It's smoking. [2:14:09, 2:14:25]: Well that's you're talking about the pit now. The grass area is grass right now. But if we replace it with this and it doesn't have the absorption of grass. It's porous. Yeah, it's pour straight through. [2:14:26, 2:14:40]: So like that that water rod runs through that and everything, like he said, and then it has a base that is a gravel base. I get the water, but I'm saying what what does the sun do when heat hits it? Does it reflect the heat? Does it absorb the heat? [2:14:41, 2:14:46]: Like we're I get the water absorption part and we don't have to deal with that. So [2:14:46, 2:15:06]: It's a porous material. It's gonna absorb heat, but we gotta keep in mind too. We're outside in the Georgia heat. If it's 98 plus 100, I don't care what surface it is, artificial turf gets extremely hot, concrete's gonna get hot, asphalt gonna get hot, but this is in use on the Atlanta Belt line, and people are running and walking on it every day. [2:15:06, 2:15:13]: They in all type of conditions. So we just gotta keep in mind that something no matter what you try. [2:15:14, 2:15:20]: You know, n nature wins sometimes. It does. And and so that leads me to my next question is [2:15:20, 2:15:40]: I've seen it. I've been on the belt line before, and I I know that sometimes just like with the pellets and the uh turf, sometimes these things break off too over time. In certain especially the heavier traffic areas, it breaks apart too. So I'm concerned about the the one year warranty. [2:15:40, 2:15:42]: That they offer on material. [2:15:43, 2:15:44]: Is [2:15:44, 2:16:04]: But if that's a concern, there's also an extended warranty we can get. But it it would be no different than like the the playground equipment we have at Clark Park that we put under the playground equipment. We replace some of those, but the majority of it is still in place, still works and functions the way it is. [2:16:04, 2:16:10]: It intent it intended to do and that's been at least over seven years. [2:16:11, 2:16:25]: Little spongy. It's similar to this. I know it's similar, but is it exact same? Is it No, it's not that's more of a sponge type. It's a s it's a smoother and softer, pliable material because you got kids jumping and falling on it. So that's exactly right. [2:16:26, 2:16:32]: But it is it's not porous like this and it and it doesn't really absorb heat like this does. [2:16:34, 2:16:54]: B besides this long term I think it'd be beneficial for us because obviously i if we didn't change it out, just got the constant grass cutting, edging, the movement of the chairs, uh so often with that the the labor for that aspect as well and its overall look. Uh you saw pictures earlier in the presentation where it looked w when it first was uh put in the [2:16:53, 2:17:13]: [8233.9, 8244.3]: that cost them, you want to have that look and it'd be natural grass, then you'll probably resaw it that two or three times during the concert season to have that look. So [2:17:25, 2:17:44]: This will also allow us not to have to move the chairs on every between every concert and get grass cut as well. Save on that money long term as well as the the the guys that are moving that concert all the time, put the chairs back in the in the right order. Yes, sir. I'm sorry, Question Where? Miss Barber, go ahead please. Yeah, I need to ask. Um [2:17:45, 2:17:47]: Has this gone through the competitive bidding process? [2:17:49, 2:17:59]: So in order to we were requested uh to try to fast track this before the concert season starts. Yep. So no, if you let me finish. [2:18:00, 2:18:05]: K is their own state contract, so it has been competitively bidded. [2:18:05, 2:18:25]: They are a source well vendor. So and Yellowstone is one of our vendors, current vendors as well. So you would amend the agreement or contract you have with them to allow them to do the prep work for the installation of this property. Okay, so are you saying that you're going to piggyback off uh source? [2:18:25, 2:18:41]: Yes, ma'am, for the flex. Thank you, sir. That answers my question. If in fact that is what your intent is to piggyback off of a state contract with Sourcewell for this. [2:18:41, 2:18:46]: The reason why I'm asking, I wanna make sure that we're getting the the best deal. [2:18:46, 2:18:53]: That was the only way we could fast track it is find someone that we can piggyback off the source well contract. So that's why we did it that way. [2:18:55, 2:18:56]: Any other questions? Question. [2:18:56, 2:19:00]: Legally that's what you had to do, that was required of you. Yes. [2:19:00, 2:19:14]: Now, Mr. Malazzi, could you step to the podium? Now we're taking these funds out of SPLOS, right? That is correct. Right. So in this SPLOSS account that you're taking out of how much money is in that account? [2:19:14, 2:19:34]: So as I said that uh you plus when it's coming is allocated. During that allocation there are things that has to be done in January and this is one of the program that they found that it can be uh used. [2:19:34, 2:19:39]: in the amphitheatre side. Splash is not yet to come. [2:19:40, 2:19:44]: It's going to come down the line April May. Mm-hmm. [2:19:44, 2:20:00]: And between now and then we have money that they can use. When sa uh splash money comes, we put back one sixty five. So right now we're bringing in what? About five hundred something thousand dollars a month in the splashed? [2:20:00, 2:20:13]: We will be getting about seven hundred thousand when it starts coming in. Right, but I'm saying right now we have splash four, we have splash five, we have additional splash in addition. But this is the plus six where the money will come from is plus six. [2:20:13, 2:20:30]: Right. So in essence what is going to happen is and and I know Mary you you kinda wanna wanna be hesitant on this, but if we got SLOSS dollars coming in and we're gonna have a contractor already out here, it would be cheaper to get it done now'cause we know the price is going to go up. [2:20:30, 2:20:34]: And I and and with all due respect, Mr. Aaron, we know [2:20:35, 2:20:55]: That it's gonna be hot, and certainly Georgia is gonna be hot everywhere. But that turf is gonna be a lot less hot than that concrete, because that concrete in the pit area is totally unbearable. All of us have been in it. It is totally unbearable when you're down there and you're trying to enjoy the contrary. [2:20:55, 2:21:09]: insert and it's 110 degrees. Now we already know that's what happens uh on when you have concrete because concrete without a doubt reflects heat at a higher rate than anything else. Period. [2:21:09, 2:21:12]: And having guests come and sit on that. [2:21:12, 2:21:17]: It is unbearable. So we could reduce it by five degrees. [2:21:17, 2:21:28]: or ten degrees or whatever that case may be, it certainly would be beneficial to do it if we could do it. I I n I don't know, like I said, I just know we wanna be cautious into what we're doing. [2:21:28, 2:21:45]: But to send our folks through another year of a hundred and something degrees in that pit and they're paying three hundred and something dollars, and we got a vendor now with uh with ViceStar, certainly they probably would appreciate it. Mr. Young, your thoughts? [2:21:48, 2:22:08]: Well f uh first of all thank you because it it is hot. I mean and we c we can't we can't uh deny that. The thing that I was uh if we can get this done it has to be done in phases, as long as it gets done. Uh if we have to do this now, get this grass done first and then the pit [2:22:08, 2:22:28]: Um you it's definitely has to be done. The pit de I mean, you can't go uh a few more seasons like this because we don't know what the climate's gonna look like. It's getting hotter, you know, and and people we've had some medical issues with people getting uh overheated, but it doesn't it I would suggest if we just get this grass done first. [2:22:28, 2:22:48]: And then if we it I mean, I don't know your I'm I don't know the financial situation. I just need to know that the grass needs to be done first because it's a problem. Chairs are sinking in the dirt. Right. Um people can we we can have potential uh medical condition where people can get hurt because those chairs, that's the next thing later we're gonna replace those chairs. [2:22:48, 2:23:08]: Because they're getting rusted and be and it's it they're not outside chairs. Um there's a lot of things that need to take place with the next uh SPLOSS allocations that I'm gonna present to you all also, because there's some things that definitely need to be done to better the amphitheater experience. What I'm saying is I don't want to slow down what we're doing tonight. [2:23:08, 2:23:10]: Let's go ahead and do [2:23:10, 2:23:17]: Right now the grass that has been suggested. But let's immediately turn to the pit. [2:23:17, 2:23:37]: And let's go ahead and try to get the pit done too. We don't want to hold this up. You gotta go out and get a estimate for it anyway. Let's go ahead and get the estimate now and to see whether what could be done. They can go ahead and install right now uh the grass up in that other area. But let's uh let's find out what it costs and then the s we start. [2:23:37, 2:23:39]: What the collection win, Mr. Malazi? [2:23:42, 2:24:02]: End of April or May. End of April, right? So the c the first concert's not until May the third. But we will have this already installed and then maybe the first couple of concerts we might not have it down there. But by the time July rolls around, when it's uh or past Father's Day, when it's a hundred degrees out there, we could have [2:24:02, 2:24:11]: Have it done by then. And I understand the phased approach, but we do this now and then circle back to the pit area uh by summertime. [2:24:12, 2:24:14]: All right. Ms. Barber, you had another comment? [2:24:14, 2:24:20]: I wanted to ask, um I just think we need to do better planning. Um we are [2:24:21, 2:24:31]: what two, three months from the very first concert. So if this was something that we wanted to see happen, and I know the council has talked about it, the grassy area [2:24:32, 2:24:35]: About doing something we've talked about this a few years now. [2:24:35, 2:24:39]: These are discussions that I would hope that we would have during the retreat. So [2:24:40, 2:24:46]: We could have more robust discussions such as this. Um I do agree. [2:24:46, 2:24:53]: I agree about the comments in the pit area, how hot it is. I agree with the grassy area. [2:24:54, 2:25:00]: What I'm challenged with though is I know if we got a quote [2:25:00, 2:25:08]: To cover both the grassy area and the pit area, the cost would be more beneficial for us. [2:25:09, 2:25:11]: If we got a quote together. [2:25:11, 2:25:15]: But if we're gonna piecemeal this, we're probably gonna be paying more. [2:25:15, 2:25:16]: On the front, Ian. [2:25:17, 2:25:18]: That's what I'm challenged with. [2:25:19, 2:25:21]: That is what I have an issue with when [2:25:22, 2:25:23]: When things like this are kinda [2:25:24, 2:25:25]: Dropped in our lap. [2:25:26, 2:25:29]: And we're forced to make a decision like [2:25:29, 2:25:30]: Right now. [2:25:31, 2:25:34]: Had we not planned for this and actually budgeted? [2:25:34, 2:25:36]: For this particular project. [2:25:36, 2:25:37]: Last year. [2:25:38, 2:25:39]: So I'm I'm torn. [2:25:40, 2:25:41]: I know it has to happen. [2:25:41, 2:25:42]: It needs to happen. [2:25:43, 2:25:48]: It's just we haven't planned for it properly. That's all. [2:25:48, 2:25:53]: Um, have y'all thought about like a maybe [2:25:53, 2:25:54]: Some type of [2:25:55, 2:25:57]: Down in the pit area. [2:25:57, 2:26:07]: I mean, I think that we when we the reason why'cause at first I was like, Well, why don't we just make it concrete like the rest of it? But when you really think of that, you know, [2:26:08, 2:26:13]: the the vision and the look itself is a part of [2:26:13, 2:26:28]: the why the amphitheater and the ambiance is what it is. Have you ever thought about maybe a some type of flat red rug, carpet down on fixed, covering the concrete on the bot on the pit area? [2:26:28, 2:26:33]: Maybe that brings out the the VIP ish. [2:26:33, 2:26:39]: Uh no, I'm not saying black. I'm saying red. A red uh like a red felt tight [2:26:40, 2:26:41]: Bixed [2:26:42, 2:26:55]: You have weather that you're gonna deal with. You got what? You have weather issues when you have I know. Uh huh. But is there some type of product? What what I'm saying is you we [2:26:55, 2:26:58]: We looked at the design is made. [2:26:59, 2:27:02]: To show different dimensions. Does that make sense? [2:27:02, 2:27:12]: Right. And and you take away from it by making everything one thing bland. It's just like any other amphitheater. But the way ours is so unique. [2:27:13, 2:27:21]: So the color scheme of that hard surface that you guys got right there would hopefully be the green, just like the grass was, right? [2:27:21, 2:27:31]: But what about d if we were to do something down below? I mean, I guess we could keep it the gray or however you want to do it, if you wanted to use that same surface. Or [2:27:33, 2:27:34]: Or [2:27:34, 2:27:37]: Have some type of breathable [2:27:38, 2:27:45]: Flat surface and I I don't know what that what that would be. I don't know if y'all have looked into that or not, but I just thought it would be kind of unique. So [2:27:45, 2:27:50]: One of the things I I wanna address what Councilmember Barber said about [2:27:50, 2:27:57]: The pit and the grassy area, the instructions we were given, there was a concern about the grassy area. The pit was never mentioned. [2:27:57, 2:28:01]: So our instructions were to look at an alternative to the grad section. [2:28:02, 2:28:14]: section of the amphitheater and that's what we did. Now, you know, we're hearing about the pits. We can try one or two options. We can also, on a temporary basis, to see what happened. You can put some type of turf [2:28:14, 2:28:33]: or outdoor carpet, that's nice. And cover that area, leave the drains open so that water drains out of it. And you go a few shows and you see if that actually lowers the temperature. If that helps with the heat down there, then we know we're following the right process and we can put in some type of [2:28:33, 2:28:53]: uh surface like that. But it'll give us an idea because if if you invest a lot of money in something and you still have the same issue, then we're gonna say, well, we invested all of this money. So I think that allows us to get some type of idea of what we need to cool that area down to make it more comfortable for [2:28:53, 2:29:05]: Canopy, some type of covering. I don't know. I know maybe you block the view of I know. I thought about that. You're blocking the view. So but if there's some unique [2:29:06, 2:29:07]: Uh [2:29:07, 2:29:18]: porous type it looks like carpet but maybe it's not carpet, right? Or it's something but it's flat because it's laying on that concrete there. I'm just thinking maybe there's some type of product that we have. [2:29:18, 2:29:27]: All right, Miss Salz and Mayor, you remember we was up at Sandy Springs and they were tearing up all that dirt and they were putting down turf. [2:29:27, 2:29:47]: In that amphitheater right in front of City Hall. Remember that? They were doing the construction on there and they were putting down turf right there. So, whatever the product they're using, I'm sure they probably they probably went down this same road that we're going down now. Maybe we should give them a call and see what it is that they did because that's what they're doing. [2:29:47, 2:29:52]: they were doing. They had the dozers out there and it was on um, you know, putting down the turf. [2:29:52, 2:29:59]: Yeah. Okay. That's something to check into. Is that now you're talking about just for the pit area or you're talking about the pit area. Just for the pit area. Okay. [2:29:59, 2:30:00]: All right. [2:30:00, 2:30:15]: Ms. Barber, go ahead please. Therefore, if there are no other questions, comments, I'd like to make a motion so we can move forward with this. All right, go ahead please. Um I move to approve to replace the grass seating area at the amphitheater. Um [2:30:15, 2:30:18]: not to exceed the [2:30:18, 2:30:22]: Amount of a hundred and sixty five thousand with [2:30:22, 2:30:32]: Is it FBI FlexiPave and KBI Industries? Um piggybacking off of the state's source well contract. [2:30:34, 2:30:54]: That's my motion. Mayor, I'll say I would like to add uh I would like to have let's see if there could be amendment to the motion. I won't add any amendments to my motion. I would ask that there would be a consideration of an amendment to the motion to task staff with reaching out and I appreciate you, but she made the original motion. [2:30:54, 2:30:56]: Yeah. [2:30:56, 2:30:57]: She made an initial motion. [2:30:58, 2:31:05]: Okay. I want to move this meeting along and approve the item as staff has requested. [2:31:05, 2:31:10]: Any further discussions we can do it in the future. But just as staff has requested [2:31:11, 2:31:15]: Okay. I made my motion. If I can ask the city clerk to read back my motion, please. [2:31:18, 2:31:20]: Motion is to approve. [2:31:21, 2:31:30]: The replacement of the grassy area not to exceed one hundred and sixty five thousand dollars, piggybacking on the state contract with Sourcewell. [2:31:32, 2:31:33]: Based on [2:31:35, 2:31:37]: The public works director. [2:31:37, 2:31:38]: Recommendation. [2:31:39, 2:31:48]: Can we add a color? That's gonna it's gonna I think it's gonna be green. It wasn't specified. Okay. It's it' uh uh he asked about a color and I would imagine it'd be green. [2:31:48, 2:31:49]: Mm-hmm. [2:31:49, 2:31:50]: Further. [2:31:50, 2:32:00]: Yeah. Excuse me? Which one was it like? Well d uh th this this is well this is g is well this is green and brown. Got brown thing in it, but it I think it should be green. [2:32:01, 2:32:02]: All right. [2:32:03, 2:32:10]: It's green. No no no hold a second, Alexander. It's her mo it's her motion now. So are you willing to put add another color green in this? [2:32:11, 2:32:12]: What? [2:32:12, 2:32:17]: Green. Green. Green. Green. Using the green color. All right. [2:32:18, 2:32:21]: All right, all right. Thank you. So no problem, sir. Is there a second to a motion? [2:32:22, 2:32:25]: My second. Miss okay, Miss Gantt second. All favor please indicate? [2:32:26, 2:32:46]: Wait, wait. Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait. It's only for the gr the grass part, right? But but y you've already given us the direct the to move forward with looking at the pit area. So we're gonna do that. But we're gonna get this. No. Oh, okay. [2:32:46, 2:32:55]: It's but it this is for the grass. Yes it is. Okay. We're gonna do that first and then we're gonna move forward with the Miss Barber to Miss Gantt the motion's been made. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:32:56, 2:32:58]: She now says thank you, folks. Appreciate it. [2:32:59, 2:33:05]: Okay, announcements and upcoming events, uh meetings and events. So coming meetings and event announcements uh [2:33:05, 2:33:25]: Council meetings will be held in the City Council Chamber's meeting dates, locations, times, and subject change, or contact city hall offices 770-389-7900, or visit the website at www.stopbridgega.org for updates. Citywide Development Authority meetings second Tuesday of each month. The City Hall and the Levi meeting room. [2:33:25, 2:33:45]: 6 p.m. February 11th. The Community Zoning Informational Meeting, Thursday from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. City Hall, Council Chambers, February 12th. The Main Street Advisory Board meeting on the second floor of each month at 9 a.m. Location Downtown Connection Center, 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, February 14th. [2:33:45, 2:33:46]: Yeah. [2:33:47, 2:34:07]: Downtown Development Authority meeting, third Tuesday of each month, at Downtown Connection Center, 130, ML King Senior Heritage Trail, February 18th. New Council Advisory Committee meeting, 630, third Tuesday of each month, Levi Meeting Room, City Hall, February 18th. Meeting, uh Planning Commission meeting, third Thursday of each month, 6:30 p.m. [2:34:07, 2:34:09]: PM City Hall Council Chambers, February twentieth. [2:34:09, 2:34:16]: City Council work session meeting to be held on the last Tuesday of each month, six PM City Hall, Council Chambers, February twenty fifth. [2:34:16, 2:34:24]: City Council meeting second Monday of each month, 6 PM City Hall Council Chambers, which is actually gonna be on uh March third, which is special meeting date. [2:34:24, 2:34:44]: New Council meeting first Monday of each month at 6 30 p.m. City Hall Levi Meeting Room March 3rd. Starbury Citizens Police Advisory Council meeting first Thursday of each month at 6 30 p.m. Estarbridge Police Community Room 4545 North Henry Boulevard March 6. Upcoming city events and initiatives joined. [2:34:44, 2:35:04]: Join Councilwoman Barber for the annual prom dress collection and giveaway at Murrill Manor's Conference Center, accepting donations of new and gently used prom dresses on Sunday, February 16th, and the free giveaway addresses to local teens on Sunday, February 23rd. More information to follow. Join Councilman Thomas for the monthly Bingo Bash. [2:35:04, 2:35:24]: On Wednesday, February 19th from 10 a.m. to two uh to noon, actually, Rural Manor's Conference Center. And lots of fun to be had by all. Join Councilwoman Councilman Alexander on a quarterly town hall on Thursday, February 20th, 7 p.m. in Oaks at the Eagles Landing 70, 2700 Patrick Henry Parkway. Join Councilman Thomas for [2:35:24, 2:35:36]: annual African American celebration. Sir, I'm sorry. Let's I need that we need to correct that. What's that? Right, Rosalind. Okay. The dogs at Eagle the Dogs at Eagles Landing is not is private. [2:35:38, 2:35:39]: And we're doing [2:35:40, 2:35:41]: Yeah. [2:35:41, 2:35:45]: You're talking about your town hall, sir? Yeah, it's not at that time. What is the time? [2:35:46, 2:35:48]: It's not at the Oaks though, is it? [2:35:50, 2:35:55]: Right. We're d we'd we're gonna do that. One's gonna be at uh JW event suite. [2:35:56, 2:36:16]: At seven o'clock. JW event suites on Eagles Landing Parkway at seven o'clock on the five. On the twentieth of February. Yes. Okay, there you go. All right. Join Councilman Thomas for an annual African American celebration on Saturday, February twenty second. Your program was be s live streamed from five PM to seven PM on City's Facebook page. Join me. [2:36:16, 2:36:36]: Mayor Ford on monthly meet the mayor on Monday, February twenty fourth from ten AM to noon at City Hall. Meetings will are by appointment. Councilman Thomas is honoring veterans and continues to salute to all year long. Please send your pictures of veterans with their names, rank uh branch, rank, and years of service. And once again join Councilman Thomas with for the Don't Trash Strawbridge Initiative. Senator [2:36:36, 2:36:46]: around education highlighting the cause and effects of littering and illegal dumping. Of course more information to follow about that. Want to everybody Friday is happy Val it's Valentine's Day, so happy Valentine's Day to everyone. [2:36:47, 2:36:55]: And you realize that in the United States of America, a national bird is the eagle. So congratulations to the the birds. [2:36:55, 2:36:59]: Of Philadelphia for winning the Super Bowl fly and bowl Eagles fly. [2:37:00, 2:37:06]: Congratulations them. Taylor. Okay. Hope hopefully it's all right. You know that great. [2:37:06, 2:37:26]: Uh nice little game. November uh COVID nineteen, uh still out there. I mean Cov you can get your boots out for COVID nineteen and put and get your flu shots once you be healthy and uh in this aspect. And uh Saturday night uh the Starberry's Police Department had the second annual the night uh amongst the stars gallow and uh [2:37:26, 2:37:46]: Dr. Thomas Smith, which is the chairman of the Citizens Police Advisory Council, made a couple special presentations due to the individuals on a city staff that have been doing great things for that advisory council. And two outstanding ladies were presented the President's Volunteer Service Awards, and they go to Vanessa Holiday. [2:37:46, 2:37:46]: Me? [2:37:47, 2:38:07]: And Rosem Rawls got honored. Got a so got a uh uh uh uh I guess you call a medallion and a and a present in a form there. So thank you ladies for helping out. Yeah, outstanding staff uh staff individuals doing a great job for for us all. And also what was honored um uh Stockbridge Police Department honored the [2:38:07, 2:38:17]: Youth Volunteer of the Year Saturday night also. And that was Taylor Raines from Ownstarbridge Youth Council. I got acknowledged and honored for her efforts there as well. [2:38:17, 2:38:21]: So uh thank you for all those ladies and all the things that they're doing. [2:38:21, 2:38:25]: And on that note that is it. So I need a mo no [2:38:37, 2:38:50]: On that note, ladies and gentlemen, uh no zek no not of executing session. We don't need that, so I need a motion to end our meeting. So moved. Is uh is there from Miss Barber to Mr. Berry? All in favor, please indicate. Good night. We adjourned. [2:38:54, 2:38:55]:

--- title: Planning Commission Special Called Meeting date: 2025-01-30 source: 2025-01-30_Planning_Commission_Special_Called_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:02]: Just waiting to see. Oh, answer. [0:00:03, 0:00:09]: Well, we don't have to have'em because we actually have enough members. So we got a quorum. [0:00:15, 0:00:16]: Mr. Chair. [0:00:17, 0:00:18]: We have an election. [0:00:18, 0:00:19]: Yeah. [0:00:19, 0:00:21]: Yes. That's correct. [0:00:22, 0:00:42]: Mr. Chair. Yes, before we begin a meeting, I would like to make a public statement in regards to the agenda. And this is the sake of having a public meeting that this agenda that we will be reading from tonight is different from the agenda on the website. So I must make [0:00:42, 0:00:50]: Make a public statement that we will be reading from the agenda other than what was posted to the public. [0:00:52, 0:00:54]: Thank you, Ms. Jackson. [0:00:57, 0:01:05]: Now 631, the Planning Commission meeting for January 30th will now come to order. [0:01:05, 0:01:05]: Mm-hmm. [0:01:08, 0:01:12]: Madam Secretary, a roll call please. Um s yes, ma'am. Go ahead. [0:01:17, 0:01:18]: Stanley Dumas? [0:01:18, 0:01:18]: Present. [0:01:20, 0:01:21]: Anthony Mitten. [0:01:21, 0:01:21]: Present. [0:01:23, 0:01:24]: Harold Tibro. [0:01:25, 0:01:26]: President. [0:01:27, 0:01:28]: David Planchton. [0:01:31, 0:01:34]: Jaden Williams. Present. Ramika Walker. [0:01:35, 0:01:35]: Right. [0:01:36, 0:01:45]: Okay, Mr. Chairman, we have a quorum and I wanna just wanna mention that in your present packet you have some additional uh reference materials that you might want to look at. [0:01:45, 0:01:47]: I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. [0:01:48, 0:01:54]: In your packets you have some additional reference materials that you might want to look at. Okay. Thank you. [0:01:56, 0:01:56]: Thank you. [0:01:57, 0:02:00]: We'll now prepare for an invitation. Mr. Mitchin, please. [0:02:02, 0:02:22]: Every head bowed, every eye closed, please. Heavenly Father, we thank you for the opportunity to be here tonight. We ask that you give each of us a quiet heart, civility, listen to one another, good grace. Help us to do our job, to do it well. Be with us all as we go from this place. Take us home safely. For it is in your blessed name we ask this. [0:02:22, 0:02:23]: Amen. [0:02:23, 0:02:28]: Yeah. Good man. Let us stand for the players, please. [0:02:31, 0:02:44]: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the Republic of which it stands, one nation under God, invisible with liberty and justice all. [0:03:05, 0:03:06]: Tonight's meeting [0:03:07, 0:03:11]: Will constitute a public hearing on certain items on the agenda. [0:03:14, 0:03:17]: Therefore, I would like to cover a few protocols. [0:03:18, 0:03:21]: Things that I need to make aware of before we start. [0:03:23, 0:03:26]: And I ask that you listen closely on how tonight's meeting will be conducted. [0:03:29, 0:03:38]: Ask that you keep the comments and presentations on a professional level, dealing with facts that are important for this commission to make its decision. [0:03:40, 0:03:46]: We will not accept comments that are considered by the chair to be a personal attack. [0:03:46, 0:03:49]: on any individual or group of individuals. [0:03:51, 0:03:55]: You will receive a warning from the chair if you deviate from this requirement. [0:03:57, 0:04:03]: A second deviation will result in the request for you to leave the meeting and the premises for the evening. [0:04:06, 0:04:10]: I ask that you refrain from any applause or comments from the audience. [0:04:11, 0:04:13]: Only one person will be talking down the time. [0:04:15, 0:04:21]: And all comments will be made at the podium after the speaker has been recognized by the chair. [0:04:23, 0:04:27]: Please direct all comments to the chair and the commission. [0:04:27, 0:04:29]: Not to the audience or staff. [0:04:32, 0:04:35]: Please do not applaud or react to speakers. [0:04:36, 0:04:43]: Speak from the audience, cheer, or carry on a conversation with others in the audience. [0:04:44, 0:04:47]: Or disrupt the order of this meeting in any way. [0:04:50, 0:04:54]: Beware that these hearings are not a debate. [0:04:54, 0:04:59]: Or an opportunity to ask questions which must be answered by any individual tonight. [0:05:01, 0:05:05]: But merely an opportunity to present information to the Commission. [0:05:08, 0:05:09]: other than the applicant. [0:05:10, 0:05:12]: No person may speak more than once but [0:05:14, 0:05:19]: The applicant may reserve part of his speaking time as rebuttal. [0:05:19, 0:05:26]: and may speak next and last and may use the entire ten minutes allotted for the pro side of the application. [0:05:29, 0:05:32]: Other than the applicant, no person may speak longer than five minutes. [0:05:36, 0:05:39]: If you have a cell phone or other electronic device, [0:05:41, 0:05:45]: I ask that you either power them off or put them in the silent mode. [0:05:48, 0:06:00]: If anyone wishes to speak tonight, please fill out a speaker's form, which is available on the table up front, and hand it to a staffing member before approaching the podium. [0:06:03, 0:06:13]: After each item or case is called, we will hear next from the city staff and then we will hear from the applicant or their representative. [0:06:15, 0:06:17]: About what plans are for the property. [0:06:18, 0:06:22]: Along with any relevant information which they wish to present. [0:06:25, 0:06:30]: The commission members will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote on a project. [0:06:32, 0:06:33]: Following the applicant. [0:06:34, 0:06:36]: Anyone who wishes to speak for or [0:06:37, 0:06:39]: О Агансте прожект. [0:06:40, 0:06:41]: Or just ask questions. [0:06:42, 0:06:44]: will have the opportunity to do so. [0:06:47, 0:06:51]: Each side is restricted to a maximum of ten minutes. [0:06:52, 0:06:56]: Or time may be waived at the discretion of the presiding officer. [0:06:58, 0:07:03]: If questions are raised, we may ask the applicant to speak again. [0:07:05, 0:07:08]: Afterward we will call for a motion and second. [0:07:09, 0:07:10]: Have any necessary discussion? [0:07:12, 0:07:14]: And if the matter is not table, we will vote. [0:07:15, 0:07:17]: To recommend approval. [0:07:17, 0:07:19]: Or to deny the application. [0:07:22, 0:07:25]: The commission is only a recommending body. [0:07:27, 0:07:33]: The item will be heard by the mayor and council whether we recommend approval or recommend denial. [0:07:35, 0:07:40]: Unless they are tabled, these items will be heard by the city's mayor and council. [0:07:42, 0:07:43]: At their meeting. [0:07:44, 0:07:45]: In February [0:07:46, 0:07:49]: And the items will be voted upon that meeting. [0:08:00, 0:08:05]: Mr. D. I need a motion from the commission, please, to adopt the agenda. [0:08:07, 0:08:09]: Mr. Chairman, make the motion to adopt. [0:08:10, 0:08:11]: And Harold, I'll second it. [0:08:11, 0:08:21]: It's been moved and second that we adopt the agenda. All in favor let it be done by a show of hands. Sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? [0:08:24, 0:08:27]: It's unanimous. Agenda has been adopted. [0:08:31, 0:08:35]: You have before you minutes from our December nineteenth meeting. [0:08:37, 0:08:41]: If you have not already done so, I would ask that you take a moment [0:08:42, 0:08:44]: To peruse the [0:08:45, 0:08:46]: Minutes. [0:08:50, 0:08:52]: And making the necessary corrections. [0:08:54, 0:09:10]: Just ma'am, Ms. Second. Mr. Karen, um would y would you make sure after each um motion and and vote is made to just repeat for the record who made the motion, who seconded the motion, and whatever the vote was for a particular Sure. Absolutely. I would do that. [0:09:13, 0:09:20]: If there are no corrections, uh I would ask for a motion to approve the minutes from our December meeting. [0:09:20, 0:09:26]: Chair. Yes, sir. Motion to move the agenda minutes from the December twenty twenty four meeting. [0:09:28, 0:09:29]: Is there a second? [0:09:31, 0:09:41]: I'll second it, Errol. It's been moved by Mr. Williams. Second by Mr. I'm sorry. Yes, that's right. Second by Mr. Thibodeau. [0:09:42, 0:09:48]: That we approve the minutes from our decimal meeting. All in favor, let it be known by the sign of I. [0:09:48, 0:09:49]: Uh hi. [0:09:49, 0:09:50]: Any opposed? [0:09:52, 0:09:54]: The eyes have it, the minus all proof. [0:09:55, 0:09:57]: It's unanimous vote. [0:10:02, 0:10:05]: The next item on our agenda is [0:10:05, 0:10:07]: Election of officers. [0:10:16, 0:10:18]: Staff, are you gonna conduct that portion of the meeting? [0:10:33, 0:10:53]: Okay, good evening. How's everyone? Tonight we will conduct the twenty twenty-five election of board members. Um as of now we have Stanley Dumas as the chair and Mr. Anthony Mitten as the vice chair. So tonight we would like to open the floor for nominations and then we will vote. [0:10:53, 0:11:02]: vote after those nominations and so um what we vote on will be immediately um into effect. [0:11:07, 0:11:12]: So if we can, we can start with the chair nominations. Are there any nominations for chair? [0:11:20, 0:11:24]: Mr. Chairman, I'd like to nominate Mr. Jaden Williams for chair. [0:11:27, 0:11:32]: If you could say that again, Mr. Mitten. Yes, I'd like to nominate Mr. Jaden Williams for chair. [0:11:35, 0:11:36]: Do you accept that nomination? [0:11:39, 0:11:40]: Uh I'll accept. [0:11:42, 0:11:44]: Believe we need a second, don't we? [0:11:45, 0:11:46]: A second. [0:11:50, 0:11:54]: For all that are in favor, say aye. Uh or raise your hand. [0:11:58, 0:12:04]: And so it is, Jalen, you are the chair for Planning Commission twenty twenty five. [0:12:06, 0:12:08]: We would like to motion, please. [0:12:09, 0:12:18]: I'm sorry? Who seconded the motion? Miss uh Walker seconded. Yes. Yes. And it was unanimous. [0:12:19, 0:12:20]: Right. [0:12:24, 0:12:28]: Now we would like to open the floor for nominations for vice chair. [0:12:38, 0:12:40]: I would like to nominate Mr. Doom is [0:12:44, 0:12:45]: I'll second. [0:12:47, 0:12:50]: Do you accept this nomination, Mr. Dumas? [0:12:51, 0:12:58]: I really would like to give someone else an opportunity to serve as an officer since I've been chair already. [0:12:58, 0:12:59]: And Vice Chair. [0:13:01, 0:13:01]: Okay. [0:13:02, 0:13:06]: That nomination is now dead, so we will take another nomination. [0:13:07, 0:13:27]: Is there are there any requirements to be the vice chair or chair? None at all specifically? No, just maybe take the chair's position when it's not yet. Okay. Well I'll I'll um make a nomination for um Miss Walker, Commissioner Walker to be service the vice chair. [0:13:29, 0:13:32]: Ms. Walker, would you accept that nomination? [0:13:33, 0:13:33]: Yes. [0:13:37, 0:13:41]: Miss Walker has accepted. Do I get a second? I'll second it, Harold. [0:13:42, 0:13:50]: Okay, seconded by Mr. Thibodeau. May I have a raise of hands for all those that are agree? [0:13:51, 0:13:53]: Okay, we have no nays. [0:13:54, 0:14:11]: That completes the nominations for twenty twenty five. So as chair, we have Jalen Williams as the chair of the Planning Commission, and we have Miss Walker as the vice chair of the Planning Commission. Congratulations. [0:14:17, 0:14:18]: Thank you, Miss Jackson. [0:14:24, 0:14:33]: Since Mr Williams is now the new chairman, perhaps you'd like to provide him with the script or actually I have another another copy. Never mind, I have another copy. They need the trade seats. [0:15:27, 0:15:29]: Spirit with us everyone. [0:15:35, 0:15:46]: All right, so that happened. Let's move on with the rest of the agenda. Uh next on the next item on the agenda is the adoption of the official twenty twenty-five zoning and future land use map. [0:15:52, 0:16:08]: Yeah, okay. I while staff comes out reading to record. Consideration of the amendment and adoption of the official city of Stockbridge twenty twenty five zoning and future land use maps to be in compliance with the Stockbridge Unified Develop m development code, which served as the city's zoning ordinance. [0:16:19, 0:16:21]: Once again, good evening. [0:16:21, 0:16:40]: Before you, we have the 2025 zoning and future land use maps. These map changes consist of zoning cases that have come before you from June of 2023 to December 31st of 2024. And before you, in your packet, you will have [0:16:40, 0:16:50]: a list of those cases starting with the project name, the parcel numbers, approval dates, case numbers, and um [0:16:52, 0:17:00]: Again, approval dates. So in your packet, I for sake of time we I won't read each one. [0:17:00, 0:17:13]: But for your um understanding, we do have Miss Walker as a new member. Um so these cases were approved by Planning Commission and will then go they went to city council. [0:17:16, 0:17:20]: Um so with that information stated, um let's [0:17:21, 0:17:35]: If you look at the first page, um the cases start with Keith Nation and it has our approval date of June 23, June 12th, 2023. And if we go to the second [0:17:37, 0:17:38]: Page. [0:17:39, 0:17:59]: Um it takes us so the second page on the back. Um it takes us through RZ 202403, um approved December 9th, 2024. So we just we need your approval to adopt these maps. [0:17:59, 0:18:05]: So that we can make the necessary changes w with our GIS. [0:18:07, 0:18:09]: Thank you. Are there any questions from the board? [0:18:14, 0:18:31]: Okay, I'll now open it up for a public hearing. Uh during this hearing, please understand that the rules made by the are the rules set from the prior chair are still in effect when we open the hearing. So I'll now open it up for public hearing. Are there any in affirmative of the land use maps and the zoning maps? [0:18:35, 0:18:37]: Once again, any in the affirmative? [0:18:39, 0:18:44]: All right. Is there anyone against the maps? You have the opportunity at this time. [0:18:54, 0:18:57]: Please come forward and tell us your uh name and your address. [0:19:02, 0:19:22]: Good evening. My name is Jocelyn Williams, 190 Banks Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia, 30281. The opposition I have for the adoption of the official 2025 zoning and future land use maps. When we had the meeting due to the storm and didn't have a chance to really get a chance to observe. [0:19:22, 0:19:42]: Serve and you know, really put anything into motion for me and uh my neighbors. Uh I'm in opposition. I just needed a little bit more time. Um just really found out about the meeting tonight. So that's what my opposition, just a little bit more time so I could have to study uh with making sure everything is in. [0:19:42, 0:19:50]: With the compliance with the Stockbridge Unified UDC, which serves the city zoning, because I'm new also to annexation. Thank you. [0:19:51, 0:19:52]: Thank you. [0:19:53, 0:19:57]: Is there any other uh person that would like to speak in the negative? [0:19:59, 0:19:59]: Okay. [0:20:00, 0:20:09]: I will now close the public hearing. The board will now take a vote on the adoption of the 2025 zoning and future land use maps. Do I hear a motion? [0:20:11, 0:20:12]: Mr. Chairman. [0:20:12, 0:20:13]: Yes. [0:20:14, 0:20:20]: Hope that we're talking official twenty twenty five volume and future lands maps. [0:20:21, 0:20:24]: And now Harold. Second it. [0:20:25, 0:20:27]: Commissioner Doomis has made a motion. [0:20:27, 0:20:35]: Commissioner uh Thibodeau has seconded. All those in favor, please signify by the sound of aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? [0:20:35, 0:20:36]: So move. [0:20:38, 0:20:41]: The next item on tonight's agenda is the annexation case. [0:20:41, 0:20:47]: Mr. Chair, excuse me, before you begin, can you read them all together? I will. Thank you. [0:20:50, 0:20:51]: Okay. [0:20:55, 0:20:55]: Right. [0:20:56, 0:21:16]: I'm going to read the following cases into record. Annexation case AX-2024-02. Consideration of the annexation request using 100% annexation method for annex two parcels at 1778 and 1872 Highway 42 North from unincorporated Henry County into. [0:21:16, 0:21:19]: into the stock bridge c city limits to allow for construction [0:21:20, 0:21:40]: of a mixed residential development which would can contain both single family detached homes and townhomes. The owner is Rowan Properties. The applicant is Meritage Homes. Uh contact is Clay Kirkley, Agent Hallie Todd. The property is located in the land lot 35 in District 7. [0:21:40, 0:21:44]: And it contains forty-eight point fifty nine more or less total acres. [0:21:45, 0:22:02]: Comprehensive Plan Amendment Case CP-2024-09. Consideration of a comprehensive plan amendment request to assign the future land use designation of medium density residential to two parcels at 1778 and 1872 Highway 42 North. [0:22:03, 0:22:23]: After their annexation into the city of Stockbridge from unincorporated Henry County to allow for the construction of a mixed residential development, which would contain both single-family detached homes and townhomes. Property is located in Land Lot 35 in District 7, and it contains 48.59 more or less acres. [0:22:23, 0:22:43]: And then finally, the rezoning case, RZ-2024-10. Consideration of a rezoning request to assign the zoning districts of PUD and PMU to district our two parcels at 1778 and 1872 Highway 42 North. After their annexation into the city of Stockbridge from unincorporated. [0:22:43, 0:22:58]: Henry County to allow for the construction of a mixed residential development which contains both single family detached homes and townhomes. The property is located in Land Lot 35 in District 7 and it contains 48.59 more or less total acres. [0:23:05, 0:23:18]: Thank you, Mr. Chair. The first case before us is an annexation AS dash twenty twenty-four-zero two for properties at seventeen seventy-eight and eighteen seventy-two. [0:23:20, 0:23:28]: The properties in question consist of parcels number zero eight nine dash zero one zero zero [0:23:28, 0:23:33]: one zero zero three that consists of seventeen seventy eight highway forty two north [0:23:34, 0:23:44]: And eighteen seventy-two, Highway 42 North consists of parcel number 089-0100-1000. [0:23:44, 0:24:04]: The properties in question has a total of 48.17 acres. Meritage Homes is seeking to annex these two properties into the city of Stockbridge from the unincorporated Henry County. The parcels again consist of the total acres of 48.17, 48.17. [0:24:04, 0:24:11]: Um the property is located along the eastern side of Highway Forty Two and Campground Road. [0:24:11, 0:24:31]: The annexation is consistent with the city's plan and will not have any negative FET or undue burden on the city's resources. The annexation will also be beneficial to the city because it is adding growth revenue and more commercial services to the city of Stockbridge. [0:24:31, 0:24:43]: The two parcels are contiguous with the city's limitations or limits of Stockbridge staff used. We use the one hundred percent method for the per proposed annexation. [0:24:48, 0:24:55]: As far as the properties description um that was conveyed or as you can see in your staff report. [0:24:56, 0:25:16]: I do would like to uh announce that one 1.5 acres of the floodplain, of the property is located in the floodplain, that it is the northern parcel of this development. Um, as far as the analysis that staff reviewed to determine our recommendation for this annexation. [0:25:16, 0:25:33]: You can find that on your page 10 of the staff report. So the first consists of the property as contiguous with the existing corporate limits with at least one eighth of the aggregate external boundaries. [0:25:33, 0:25:53]: Um as I stated that yes, um one hundred percent they meet the method of the annexation requirements. Um other analysis will be found on page eleven and twelve. Um different questions or analysis that staff will have to review to come to the conclusion of our [0:25:53, 0:26:13]: recommendation. Um it does it is consistent with the comprehensive plan. Um we are taking the property or annexing the property from Henry County um to the city limits. And with these analyses that staff reviewed, we have come to the conclusion that we do [0:26:13, 0:26:20]: to approve um the seeking of annexation within the city of Stockbridge. [0:26:22, 0:26:23]: Thank you, Ms. Jackson. [0:26:26, 0:26:28]: Are there any questions from the board for staff? [0:26:29, 0:26:35]: I I have a question. Have have we done any Mr. Chair, may I you may speak. [0:26:36, 0:26:40]: Uh have we done any studies as far as traffic um [0:26:41, 0:26:42]: In that general area. [0:26:43, 0:26:45]: And uh have we done any studies with the community? [0:26:46, 0:26:46]: And that [0:26:47, 0:26:48]: Area also. [0:26:48, 0:26:49]: has the [0:26:50, 0:26:52]: individual property owners. [0:26:52, 0:26:53]: Establish any [0:26:54, 0:26:57]: uh relationship with the community in that area. [0:27:01, 0:27:11]: So per my knowledge, there were no traffic study reports submitted to staff. Um, I think that question is better suited for the applicant to address. [0:27:15, 0:27:17]: Are there any other questions from board members? [0:27:20, 0:27:24]: Is the applicant present? Would you like this opportunity to speak? [0:27:35, 0:27:36]: I'll accept this one. [0:27:37, 0:27:47]: Can I ask a a question real quick before we start? Got some handouts of the presentation. Are you guys able to see the presentation in front of you as well? Or would you guys want a a hard copy? [0:27:49, 0:27:50]: We can take a hard copy, you can give it to the [0:27:51, 0:27:53]: Thank you for those. [0:27:53, 0:28:13]: And then we do do we uh those are just extra. And then do we do the the all three, like the speed the kind of going over all three at at once? So we just read them in the record. So right now you can just talk about the annexation. Okay. And then you have the opportunity for the other two as well. Oh okay, okay. Uh Kenneth Wood 350 Research Court, Peace Tree Corners, George. [0:28:13, 0:28:33]: Georgia. So we're excited to come before you tonight to talk about this. It's it's been kind of a long time coming. We've looked at the parcel uh that's in question uh for for quite a while, talking about what was the what is the best way to develop it, um, what makes the most sense. Um there was a lot of studies done with the reroute of campground. [0:28:33, 0:28:40]: uh about the best way to have turn lanes and everything on to 42, 42 obviously going out to the highway. [0:28:40, 0:28:50]: And so we started by actually looking at the land use maps that you guys see on your screen, uh the existing zoning, how there was a lot of um PUDs within the area. [0:28:51, 0:28:53]: Uh and then how how to best start it off and so [0:28:54, 0:29:05]: Uh months ago, we actually started with an all-residential plan. And as we start first started looking at it, we had kind of a mixture of just townhomes and then one style of single family. [0:29:05, 0:29:25]: And as we actually were able to talk with uh Councilman Alexander and uh Mayor Ford about the area and what were some of the needs, uh we started talking about more of a mixed use and more about commercial and being able to have re restaurants, retail, uh a potential grocery site. Um he kind of described it as a kind of a food desert for a neighborhood. [0:29:25, 0:29:45]: You know, you got out near the interstate some larger ones, but something as more of a mid-size and being able to set that in place at such a prominent intersection. And so the way it's set up, it actually set up really well for the plan that we have. And I'll be able to walk you guys through that. Uh oh, what did I do? Um, which way am I spending? [0:29:45, 0:29:46]: Mr. Clayton. [0:29:47, 0:29:52]: Do I do the arrows to the right and left? Would you like to see those light player or [0:29:52, 0:29:57]: Yeah, I just wanna be able to click through the art the presentation with the presentation. So you want [0:29:58, 0:30:01]: Are we able to pull up the one we have? Yeah. [0:30:03, 0:30:06]: This is the one he has. [0:30:12, 0:30:13]: That's news. Yeah, that's it. [0:30:16, 0:30:17]: Awesome. [0:30:18, 0:30:36]: And just go oh scroll down. Okay. This is the site location you can see. It's on two sides of campground. Um surrounding it mostly uh raw land and then you have obviously forty two on the frontage, and then you have old campground on the bottom of it, and then there's a a small amount of a cemetery. [0:30:36, 0:30:56]: This is where you can see the proposing of the PUD and where it lines up with a lot of the PUDs across the street. Uh in Henry County, the reason we're having to do the future land use map amendment is in Henry County it's actually listed as high density residential. And so when we're looking at the PUD that we are proposing with the mixed use, uh the density is lower. [0:30:56, 0:31:16]: And so it would be medium density. And so that's why the actual land use change that would be adopted as part of it, because it doesn't hit that high density criteria. This would be added to the part of parkway mixed use overlay. And so just to kind of help understand, it would be a PUD zoning that would fall within parkway. [0:31:16, 0:31:20]: [1880.8, 1883.1]: If you kinda see this is our our plan. [0:31:23, 0:31:33]: Like I said, we had an original plan that had both section of these as residential. And then through a a lot of work in the last several months, uh we came out with a plan you see before you. [0:31:34, 0:31:36]: And so this area right through here. [0:31:36, 0:31:40]: This is uh forty two and then this is campground. [0:31:41, 0:31:58]: And so when you come up, we basically situated the retail restaurant buildings up on the front to hide the parking. We have them kind of all around through here with a little open space here. This is a proposed uh kind of like a local grocery uh that we're sitting in this location. [0:31:58, 0:32:01]: We have a full access and kind of a through road here. [0:32:01, 0:32:02]: Um [0:32:02, 0:32:22]: As part of our our traffic in terms of talking with uh the traffic engineer, we need full left full turn lanes and D cell lanes as part of this. And so they would have left turn lanes as well as D cell lanes into both of the full access entrances uh on campground as well as 42. And then we'd have D cell lanes, this access point here and here. [0:32:22, 0:32:42]: Here are limited, meaning uh you can only go right in or right out. But it gives another access point for the commercial and then limits access into the residential. So you don't have residential just pouring out in a lot of different places. We actually ended up changing the residential in a couple of ways. So all [0:32:42, 0:33:02]: The residential on the north part, since it abuts a few residential houses and then mostly open space land, we left that all single family detached. And then on the east side, that would be a small office. It could be like a dental office, uh, some type of a smaller doctor's office, a salon, any anything like that. Uh, it would be conditioned. [0:33:02, 0:33:22]: As we would be accepted to all neighborhood uses. And that's the same for this commercial that's here. We're very much acceptable to having it as neighborhood uses. You know, no, you know, pawn shops, no any type of outside, you know, car wash, anything like the the items that we've [0:33:22, 0:33:42]: Talked about with the council members that we're not wanting to see there. Automotive repair shops, anything like that. For the residential, it's a three-part mix now. As I mentioned, it's all single-family detached on the top. When you go to the inside, these are the attached homes, but we made them wider. There was a comment made about [0:33:42, 0:34:02]: Wanting to see some wider townhomes. So these townhomes are actually 26 feet wide, which is some of the wider ones that you'll see. And then up here on the frontage, these are rear loaded, meaning if you're driving down 42, you'll see the front of the house. So they're accessed from behind for the garage. But these are detached, what are called bungalows. [0:34:02, 0:34:16]: Then these are single family detached. We have a large amenity area with a cabana, a pool. We're looking at potentially pickleball courts and a dog park as part of our amenity area and package. And one thing to note is we had talked about [0:34:16, 0:34:20]: something similar that we mentioned to the to the councilman and uh [0:34:21, 0:34:41]: Uh Meritage Homes, who's with me tonight, Daniel, uh they built uh Willow Crest, which is over near Floyd Road in Mapleton. And all these product types, the wider townhomes, the bungalows that front on Floyd and Glore, uh, you can actually see those out there at that location. That's been one of the most successful projects in uh the city of Mableton, County. [0:34:41, 0:34:43]: Cobb County uh in that area. [0:34:43, 0:35:03]: As you're looking forward on the site, these are kind of our statistics. Uh, we are originally, like I said, doubled the amount of homes. We cut that down. And so you now you have um 86 uh single family detached homes, and then you have 82 town homes. So you have more single family detached than you do town homes, and then we have uh most [0:35:03, 0:35:23]: Everything is office and commercial retail and restaurant. The square footage kind of gets pumped up because of the potential grocery. It may not end up being that large. Some of them are roughly around 20 to 25,000 square feet. And then the individual pads are five to ten, depending on the restaurant or the restaurant size or the individual. [0:35:23, 0:35:32]: Individual retail, but it has a maximum of 80,000 that could be there. And these are kind of the road alignments and how it loops through this area. [0:35:33, 0:35:46]: These are some pictures of the homes. You have the bungalows in the bottom. Um, here, this is a single family detached. These are town homes. Uh, these are ranch homes that you would have, single story as well as multi-story homes. [0:35:47, 0:36:07]: And these are the three items. I know we're on the annexation case that we were looking at. But as we went through the project and looking at some of the different needs, you know, what really caught us was in in terms of talking with um councilman and the mayor was the was this need for having something. [0:36:07, 0:36:27]: Set in the neighborhood and not only on the interstate that would actually have some retail restaurant and uh potential grocery needs for there, as well as a small place for a potential office at this location when you're looking at it from there. Uh, in terms of the homes, like I mentioned about the townhomes, wanting them to see wider, um, what that limit. [0:36:27, 0:36:45]: lended us to was that lended us to a range to where the townhomes can go up to twenty one over twenty one hundred square feet, the bungalows can go over twenty four hundred square feet and the detached, you know, or twenty twenty up to twenty three, then with basements, they would go up and over three thousand square feet. Um [0:36:45, 0:37:00]: As I mentioned about our amenities, uh the other thing that we are required and we show on our plans is on Highway 42 as well as campground, we're both building the 10 foot multi-use trail that's part of y'all's future trails project to tie in with that. [0:37:00, 0:37:11]: And uh with that, I can take any questions you guys may have and let me know. Thank you. Thank you. Reserve any time. Thank you. I'll now open the uh floor for questions from the board. [0:37:16, 0:37:32]: Right here, none. I will now open the public hearing for the annexation case AX dash twenty twenty four dash O two. Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor or ask any questions or make any comments of this annexation case? [0:37:35, 0:37:37]: Speak in favor. [0:37:38, 0:37:39]: Uh what what is it? [0:37:41, 0:37:48]: Do I from the board, you mean No no no. This is for um the community, so public comments and then we'll come back to the board. [0:37:50, 0:37:52]: All right. Are there anyone yes. [0:37:54, 0:37:55]: Yes. [0:37:56, 0:38:04]: Anyone uh against the annexation case, please come forward at this time. State your name and address. [0:38:11, 0:38:31]: My name is Kyrisha Johnson. I live at 149 Crown Walk in McDonough, Georgia. Um, I'm not necessarily against it. I'm just trying to get some clarity of what's going on with my neighborhood, which is a little north of uh the proposed project. It's right there in the gray. Um we're talking [0:38:31, 0:38:51]: Talking like north east. I'm in one of those uh eight houses on my map that was mailed to me. Um and it's showing that I'm in a yellow block. It's not X off, so I'm not understanding if one [0:38:51, 0:39:01]: of these eight in along Crown Walk are like proposed to be annexed into Stockbridge. I'm just trying to get clarity on that. [0:39:04, 0:39:19]: I'll I'll open it up to staff to answer the question or uh and I could just let you know specifically the parts in the gray are not the actual properties we're talking about. It's solely those two annexation parcels right here. So the ones that are highlighted specifically are the parcels we're discussing. [0:39:20, 0:39:22]: Correct. I gotcha. Um [0:39:24, 0:39:29]: I guess uh I maybe I would need to speak with them, I'm not sure. [0:39:29, 0:39:32]: Your property won't be affected. Probably won't. [0:39:33, 0:39:35]: You don't think we would be annexed into the city of Stockbridge? [0:39:39, 0:39:40]: Okay. [0:39:41, 0:39:42]: Well that's it for me. [0:39:42, 0:39:43]: Thank you. [0:39:45, 0:39:47]: Will the next person come up and please state your name and address? [0:39:52, 0:40:12]: Uh good evening. My name is Jocelyn Williams, one ninety Bank Strive, Stockbridge, Georgia, three hundred two eight one. Uh my opposition is um I haven't had a chance to I think it's gonna be now 168 homes that will be um in consideration on the property. I think they said eighty-six single and eighty-two [0:40:12, 0:40:32]: I didn't get a chance to read like when I normally come, I can see it's gonna be 86 single, just like they said, so I can read. That's why I know it's 168. Um in addition to um the office and retail space. Uh wanted more information so I could. [0:40:32, 0:40:52]: See to take to the neighbors traffic study, the drainage sewage study, specific requirements and ordinance for this property, and um the annexation as it relates to the comprehensive plan. So I wanted more information either for it to be postponed or so I can get more information. Once again, I'm just [0:40:52, 0:41:05]: just writing down what they said twenty one hundred square feet, twenty four hundred square feet, and I think it was three thousand. So I didn't know what the number of homes were until I came this evening. And thank you. [0:41:06, 0:41:09]: Thank you. The next person please state your name and address. [0:41:13, 0:41:23]: My name hello, my name is Courtney Hunter. I live at 164 Titan Road, Stockbridge, Georgia. And I'm coming to just either ask for this to be postponed or actually no. [0:41:24, 0:41:34]: And I'm basing this on information that I have in regards to the builder itself. They have pending like lawsuits dating back to twenty twenty four. [0:41:34, 0:41:36]: Um from shoddy work. [0:41:37, 0:41:41]: from doing you know um actually not using good [0:41:41, 0:41:44]: I think building properties actually building [0:41:45, 0:41:52]: for their homes, they're hiring unqualified contractors, workers, um, they're doing low quality workmanship. [0:41:52, 0:42:00]: Um, they do have homeowners now that are complaining and actually filing lawsuits. Um, in terms of the building of their homes has not been good. [0:42:01, 0:42:02]: They have cracks in their floors. [0:42:03, 0:42:08]: Um cracks going up the walls, actually toilet stools that have not been in pro properly installed. [0:42:08, 0:42:10]: Which is causing water leaks. [0:42:10, 0:42:11]: in their homes. [0:42:11, 0:42:13]: So I'm asking that the builder at least [0:42:14, 0:42:15]: provide information [0:42:16, 0:42:31]: to you all to say, okay, how are we handling these lawsuits and have they actually been resolved? Because that's important, because if you want quality homes in Stockbridge, you do not want to deal with a builder that is not actually coming up to par in terms of building quality homes. Thank you. [0:42:32, 0:42:32]: Thank you. [0:42:33, 0:42:35]: Does anyone else wish to speak about this case? [0:42:42, 0:42:47]: I was emailed a comment from a homeowner if I could read it t into the record. [0:42:51, 0:43:07]: It states, hello, Council members. I hope all is well. My intent to writing this letter is to ask that you postpone the proposal for Meritage Homes to build residential and commercial development on this property. Meritage Homes has a Yelp. [0:43:08, 0:43:22]: Review of one point three. These are real reviews from existing and previous customers. The main complaints stem from the quality of materials used with when Merit Titch Homes bills. [0:43:22, 0:43:32]: and the longevity of those bills. For example, the single family homes on campground built by Meritage Homes have a host of issues. [0:43:32, 0:43:52]: Even when applying for their application to build in Stockbridge, Meritage Homes filed for a variance with the City of Stockbridge to use cheaper materials to build the homes. It is in Stockbridge ordinance that homes should be of three to four sided brick. This variance filed by Meritage Homes was approved by City Council members. [0:43:52, 0:43:53]: Yeah. [0:43:53, 0:43:55]: Mr. Elton Alexander. [0:43:55, 0:43:57]: Along the cheap building materials. [0:43:58, 0:44:18]: Meritage Homes is also responsible for hiring an irresponsible and faulty company to run the HOA of the single family homes. It has been five years since the new single-family homes have been built, and the HOA is already operating in the red because of the management company Meritage. [0:44:18, 0:44:32]: homes put into place. And the list goes on. Highway 42 is expected to be widened in 2030. That's five years from now. That's five years you can ensure traffic flow won't [0:44:33, 0:44:36]: be impacted or disrupted near the space. [0:44:36, 0:44:38]: If this proposal can be postponed. [0:44:39, 0:44:41]: Until the completion of the widening [0:44:41, 0:44:43]: Of Highway Forty Two. [0:44:43, 0:45:03]: Highway 155 is already congested with cars and now an overwhelming amount of 18 wheelers and dump trucks. That's five years for at least one new school to be erected. That's five years to give Costco, Sprouts, Kroger, and all the new and upcoming projects on campus. [0:45:03, 0:45:20]: Ground Road and Jodico Road, the ability to sustain and stay for future growth. With the cost of goods and the cost of living continue to increase, and the new elected president trying to change the demographics of America. [0:45:20, 0:45:26]: which reflects in our communities as well, maybe the growth you expect won't happen at that rate. [0:45:27, 0:45:47]: You intend it to be. Five years give you more time to give a true assessment to which the development is even needed. That's five years for Meritage Homes to improve on their customer relationships and quality of builds. This five-year time span gives the community time to accept and possibly. [0:45:47, 0:46:05]: Understand why this new residential and commercial property may be needed. But as of today, this new construction is not a need of Stockbridge and will only take away more green space, add more frustration to the daily commute that is already evident from Henry County taxpayers. Thank you. [0:46:08, 0:46:12]: Thank you. Ms. Jackson, could you state for the record the name and address of that citizen? [0:46:13, 0:46:18]: An address was not provided. Um the applicant's name is Mr. Turner. [0:46:21, 0:46:29]: Thank you, Ms. Jackson. Those are civil issues and it's outside the scope of the planning commission. So please don't take it into consideration. [0:46:30, 0:46:36]: Thank you. I will now close the public hearing for the annexation case. [0:46:38, 0:46:41]: If there are not any comments from the board, I'll now open it up for a motion. [0:46:43, 0:46:49]: Mr. Chair, we do have conditions placed on the rezoning component of this petition. [0:46:49, 0:46:51]: For the annexation case? [0:46:51, 0:46:52]: Uh just for the rezoning. [0:47:00, 0:47:05]: So uh Miss Jackson, I'm gonna do the vote for the annexation and then we'll go to the comprehensive and then rezoning. [0:47:09, 0:47:12]: So there is there a motion from the board for the annexation case. [0:47:15, 0:47:16]: I might have present it. [0:47:17, 0:47:23]: I'd like to present a motion the uh for the annexation for C P twenty twenty four. [0:47:25, 0:47:25]: Was that an approval? [0:47:26, 0:47:27]: Yes. [0:47:28, 0:47:29]: There's a motion, is there a second? [0:47:31, 0:47:33]: Mr. Chairman, I'll second. [0:47:33, 0:47:42]: Mr. Timidal has motioned. Mr. Minn has second. All those in favor, please signify by the sound of aye. [0:47:42, 0:47:53]: Any opposed? So moved. We'll now move on to the comprehensive plan amendment case. So I'll now pass it back over to you, Ms. Axe. [0:47:57, 0:48:02]: There were no conditions for the comprehensive plan, staff recommends approval. [0:48:04, 0:48:06]: Are there any questions from the board for staff? [0:48:08, 0:48:09]: Uh actually. [0:48:10, 0:48:16]: I actually have a a question uh with regard to the annexation annexation case. [0:48:17, 0:48:30]: I don't know if you can answer this, but is there a reason why sh um certain materials or cheaper materials are being used? [0:48:30, 0:48:31]: To build [0:48:32, 0:48:34]: uh these homes and in [0:48:34, 0:48:44]: That item has already been voted on. It's this can't be discussed further. You would have to ask that question in another case. Okay. So I'll I'll defer you the time. Okay, thanks. During this case. All right. [0:48:46, 0:48:47]: Any other questions for the from the board? [0:48:52, 0:48:57]: All right, would the applicant like to come up for a few minutes moments in regards to the comprehensive case? [0:48:59, 0:49:11]: Sure, as far as the as the comprehensive plan, I the the order always throws you know, I'm trying to make sure I take them in order. So for the comprehensive plan, and then I'll I'll make sure to answer yours. Um [0:49:11, 0:49:24]: It's basically a downzoning. Henry County high density uh coming into the city because of the density. It would be medium density as a mixed use. Um based on some of the comments, I know I didn't rebuttal, but the [0:49:24, 0:49:44]: You know, the idea of that was mentioned about materials, I don't know. Uh Daniel is with Meritage. He could answer probably a little bit more. Uh we're definitely not trying to use low quality materials. Um Willowcrest, the project we're talking about, the one that is uh just finished building out in Mapleton was the one the, you know, as we talked to the councilman and the mayor. [0:49:44, 0:50:04]: that that's what we are striving for. That would be the materials. You can see it, you can you know be able to feel it, see it. Uh that's out there. Like I said, it's on Floyd Road at Galore Road. Um the same product types, everything is out there. Um and uh but we're definitely using high quality materials. You know usually they go off energy star. Probably some of the cheapest materials [0:50:04, 0:50:24]: Material out there would be a vinyl siding. We don't do any vinyl siding. Anything that we do is gonna be uh hardy plank material. It's like uh cementous concrete-based material as well as brick. Um I can't speak to exactly what the complaints were at the previous neighborhood. I'm just uh not prepared with any information on on any kind of [0:50:24, 0:50:33]: Rebuttal there, but um, we definitely would be striving for that type of uh cementous material and uh brick facades as well. [0:50:34, 0:50:54]: Yeah, and and we're fine with um stipulating that we're all we use in all of those superior materials, all the cementitious materials, hardy board, bat, uh concrete, uh shake, uh brick, stone uh materials for the houses. And uh I think we've talked to staff a couple of times that we're fine with that as well as on the commercial. [0:50:54, 0:50:57]: commercial building, making sure they're all uh materials as well. [0:50:59, 0:51:02]: Okay. Are there any questions to the applicant from the board? [0:51:05, 0:51:06]: Thank you so much. [0:51:06, 0:51:14]: Thank you. No, thank you. By the way, we don't have a a variance that allows uh a waiver on uh building materials. That doesn't exist. [0:51:15, 0:51:16]: Thank you. [0:51:19, 0:51:27]: I will now open it up for public hearing for this case. Is there anyone that would like to speak in favor of the comprehensive plan amendment case? [0:51:29, 0:51:32]: Once again, anyone in favor of the comprehensive plan amendment case? [0:51:34, 0:51:38]: Is there anyone against the comprehensive Plan Amendment case and would like to speak? [0:51:44, 0:51:46]: Please come up and say your name and address for us, please. [0:51:50, 0:52:10]: Uh good evening, Jocelyn Williams, one ninety Banks Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia, three oh two eight one. The reason I'm in uh opposition of the comprehensive plan, trying to see and make sure that it's Highway 42 and campground that it's in accordance with what is on the comprehensive plan so I can have more time to evaluate it. Thank you. [0:52:11, 0:52:16]: Yes, ma'am, thank you. Is there anyone else against the comprehensive plan case? [0:52:18, 0:52:25]: All right, if none, I'll now close the public hearing case. The board will now make a vote on the comprehensive plan amendment case. [0:52:27, 0:52:30]: Will I take all right, I'll now accept the motion. [0:52:34, 0:52:45]: Mr. Chairman. Mr. May. I make the motion to approve comprehensive plan amendment case CP twenty twenty-four-zero nine. There's a motion to approve. Is there a second? And Harrow, I'll second it. [0:52:46, 0:52:52]: Mr. Thibodeau second. All those in favor, please use the sound of aye. Aye. All those opposed? [0:52:54, 0:52:56]: All right, so moved, unanimous. [0:52:57, 0:53:06]: The next item on tonight's agenda is the rezoning case, RZ 2024-10. Uh we will now allow for staff to present. [0:53:11, 0:53:12]: Thank you, Mr. Chair. [0:53:15, 0:53:24]: The applicant um definitely gave the board sufficient information as far as staff. [0:53:25, 0:53:44]: The proposed rezoning involves properties of seventeen seventy eight and eighteen seventy two Highway forty two North, also known as parcels eight zero eight nine dash zero one zero zero one zero zero three and also zero eight nine zero one zero zero one zero zero one. [0:53:47, 0:54:07]: The development consists of 168 units. Seventy-one of those units are single family, residential, detached homes, fifteen bungalows, and eighty-two townhomes with a density of four point two units per acre. The proposed square footage of the bungalows is [0:54:07, 0:54:10]: is 3500 square feet. [0:54:10, 0:54:12]: With a frontage of ten feet. [0:54:13, 0:54:23]: A front yard setback of ten feet, rear yard setback of five feet, and a side yard setback of three feet. The single family detached homes will be [0:54:23, 0:54:26]: At at least five thousand square feet. [0:54:26, 0:54:46]: With a front yard setback of 20 feet, rear yard 20 feet, and side yard 7.5 feet. The amenities the applicant has provided you with the amenities that will be located at this location. Per our records, there will be a pool and a cabana, a mail key. [0:54:46, 0:54:51]: kiosk and nine point seven five acres of open space. [0:54:52, 0:55:12]: The commercial section will have 70,950 square feet of space consisting of six buildings, which may consist of a grocery retail store as well as restaurants. The parking proposed is 336 parking spaces. Staff has recommended. [0:55:12, 0:55:16]: Amend approval with conditions and I'll read those into the record. [0:55:18, 0:55:27]: The first condition is the subject property shall be developed similar to the site plan that was submitted by the applicant on January twenty-first. [0:55:28, 0:55:30]: The bungalow lots [0:55:30, 0:55:35]: Located on lots one through fifteen of the site plan shall be three sided brick. [0:55:37, 0:55:39]: A landscaping plan shall be submitted. [0:55:41, 0:55:48]: Number four, a ten foot external sidewalk and eight foot internal sidewalk shall be installed. [0:55:49, 0:55:55]: Number five, the building facing the street on campground road shall be three sided brick. [0:55:57, 0:56:09]: Number six, the buildings labeled dining patio on the site plan must adhere to the parking standards found in section four point eight of the City of Stockbridge Unified Development Code. [0:56:10, 0:56:22]: Number seven, no more than one hair salon, barber, shop, nail salon shall be in the commercial section. No event centers nor nor gas stations shall be allowed. [0:56:23, 0:56:32]: Number eight, the applicant must combine the two parcels located at seventeen seventy eight and eighteen seventy two Highway 42 North. [0:56:33, 0:56:50]: And I believe we're saying that should be combined prior to receiving the LDP, which is the land disturbance permit. In addition, no permit shall be issued by the city of Stockbridge until the developer provides a copy of the recorded plats. And that concludes the conditions for this properties. [0:56:50, 0:56:53]: Thank you, Ms. Jackson. Are there any questions from the board for staff? [0:56:55, 0:56:58]: Yeah, I have a question. Uh is it gonna be H O E? [0:57:00, 0:57:05]: That is a great question. I believe the applicant will be better suited for that question. [0:57:07, 0:57:07]: Please. [0:57:10, 0:57:30]: Chairman, I'm sorry about that. I meant to ask you permission to speak. Kenneth Wood, 350 Research Court, Beach Street Corners, Georgia. Um so now that we're on to the I I don't know if there's a way to get over to our presentation. Um now that we're on to the to the rezoning part of it. I'll try to answer some of what we've heard as well. [0:57:30, 0:57:50]: uh just to kind of bring it all back in. As I mentioned, this has the conditions of the zoning like we talked about for all the materials, uh what it can and can't be for the retail, for the residential, uh, for the neighborhood use, for the commercial that is to be built, um, and how it's to be built, the external sidewalks that we talked about are all in the staff conditions uh that we looked at. [0:57:50, 0:58:10]: For this. And then what we'll also do is we'll give cards tonight so we can also meet with some of the people that had spoken in the community to be able to bring them up to speed on any questions they may have. And then the one question about the annexation that the land, the project that is just to the existing single family would [0:58:10, 0:58:20]: should not be part of the annexation uh going through as well. Um do I have the ability to get over to do y'all have the site plan within here? Gordon, could you help him get to his presentation? [0:58:22, 0:58:42]: I think uh I can use this question. Yes. Uh Gordon, while he does that. I could use this. This is fine. Like this one. Yeah, that's a cycle. Can y'all see this up here? Okay. This is perfect. This kind of shows you the different components. Uh the bungalows are detached, uh as we mentioned. The single family, uh you you have all the amenities that were [0:58:42, 0:59:02]: Running through there, the sidewalks, all the turn lanes, everything that we're required to do for all the access points coming into the development, coming out of the development that you see there. And really, you know, the big catalyst to this was really creating those neighborhood uses, uh, get pulling away from the interstate and the big box commercial and trying. [0:59:02, 0:59:22]: Trying to have more neighborhood scale retail uses. So, you know, if there's a place to eat, it can be more neighborhood, it can be more local to be able to be found there. Um, that was kind of what we were going for. That's why we wanted to mix the re the really the foot traffic of the residential uh with the foot traffic of the retail here. And that's why we have in the back, you'll kind of see in this. [0:59:22, 0:59:23]: Yeah. [0:59:23, 0:59:43]: You can kind of see this is kind of more of an open space. So you can basically come across and be able to enter into the open space and get to the to the retail, the restaurants, or any of the grocery uses that would that would come in this place. We do have sufficient stormwater management, all the different parts of the site. We have stormwater ponds for all the different phases. [0:59:43, 1:00:03]: That would take care of uh storm water management. Uh we have received a sewer letter from Henry County for water and sewer uh for the area. Um we also have, I believe, water. We're able to tap in. I believe the city of Stockbridge, you get I believe we can get to water. It's just Henry County, I believe, is the sewer uh for this one. But adequate pressures uh [1:00:03, 1:00:23]: for the development for what we're able to do. Um and then you also saw where we also have the basically the larger sidewalk on this access road coming through. So that would put larger sidewalks on campground on forty two as well as traversing through the development, making sure that as in the future as everything get built out and, you know, we're really talking about as we [1:00:23, 1:00:43]: There was a comment about some of the um the five year plan for some of the build outs. I mean, this plan right here is kind of a three to seven year in terms of how long it takes. It just takes so long now. You know, once you start into permitting, actually get something vertical and in the ground. Uh, you know, we were talking about several years from now, uh just going but the first home. [1:00:43, 1:01:03]: And then that three to seven years for a build-out time frame, uh, getting up to speed uh to line up with those different uses. And with that, I can take any questions. And like I said, we really, really just tried to make a really good mixed use development and meeting all all of what we read in the maps about what is desired for the area, uh being able to see it. [1:01:03, 1:01:15]: it making sure like I said it's neighborhood uses and the scale for that. Thank you. Commissioner Tudot, please go with your questions. Thank you. Uh will this property be fee simple? I mean in terms of purchase uh [1:01:16, 1:01:31]: Also, you're not gonna turn this into rental property, are you? No, and I think we're okay with with any rental restrictions.'Cause that's something I didn't hear from staff because uh that's one of the issues that I know people are always concerned about. [1:01:31, 1:01:33]: that developers coming in and [1:01:34, 1:01:54]: Developed property and the next thing you know, it's all rental. And uh we don't want to get caught with that situation. If you're not gonna do that, yeah. Well what we've been seeing, especially with Meritage, there are they are a fee simple. This will be a full HOA. Uh all the covenants, all the documents that you know usually has a rental restriction, something like 10%. And that's just in case someone relocates and has to. [1:01:54, 1:02:03]: To rent their home for a period of time, but it is it, you know, the intent is not to be a rental property. And if it's in the zoning conditions, the HOA can't change that. [1:02:04, 1:02:06]: Thank you. Any other questions from the board? [1:02:08, 1:02:09]: Thank you so much. Thank you. [1:02:10, 1:02:10]: Right. [1:02:12, 1:02:21]: I will now open the public hearing for this case. Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of the rezoning case? RZ 2024-10. [1:02:25, 1:02:28]: Once again, is there anyone in favor? In favor of this case. [1:02:31, 1:02:33]: Please come forward, say your name and address. [1:02:35, 1:02:43]: Carisha Johnson, 149, Crown Walk, McDonough, Georgia. Um, my question is, uh I heard him say that [1:02:44, 1:02:51]: I guess the timeline of things. Um, you were saying that it would be seven years or three to seven year plan. [1:02:53, 1:03:02]: To build out everything. Okay. So the houses, how how far are we looking out for that? Yeah, how like how soon would the houses be built? I mean [1:03:03, 1:03:10]: Ma'am, please suppose don't address the commission, though you can't speak from the floor. [1:03:10, 1:03:11]: Oh. [1:03:12, 1:03:22]: Oh, ask them. Oh, y you guys know the answers. Okay. My question is, how far out are we expecting um single the the homes to go up? [1:03:22, 1:03:30]: You can so you ask all your questions and then we'll have the applicant or whoever can answer come up. Yeah. Okay, I'm sorry. Didn't I on the protocol? That was it. [1:03:30, 1:03:34]: Thank you. Anyone else in favor? Please say your name and address. [1:03:37, 1:03:38]: Oh [1:03:38, 1:03:46]: R Rodney McKenzie. Um my address is 843-Orwheel Drive and Stockbridge. Um, I am in favor. [1:03:46, 1:04:01]: Uh I do have a question in terms of the applicant as far as they are a residential builder. And my question would be, have they taken on a uh project of this size when you [1:04:02, 1:04:02]: Incorporate [1:04:03, 1:04:05]: Commercial and residential. [1:04:06, 1:04:11]: So that is that would be a question that I would like to know if they've had previous projects that they have been successful. [1:04:11, 1:04:14]: В конструктing residencial. [1:04:15, 1:04:15]: And commercial. [1:04:16, 1:04:18]: Um my nets um [1:04:19, 1:04:35]: in favor is not necessarily a question, but it's more so of um maybe a suggestion or what have you. Um I do know that Meritage Homes has just completed, I guess, the Eagle Hill Town homes and the single family homes that sit right next to those. [1:04:36, 1:04:37]: And so um [1:04:38, 1:04:46]: With the city of Stockbridge, all I'm asking is that um they give residents some type of um [1:04:48, 1:05:00]: uh variety, right? A lot of these builders come in and they tend to, you know, they'll build one community and then they'll move on to another community and it's all still the same style homes. [1:05:00, 1:05:13]: So maybe look at maybe them offering or showing what style uh or not necessarily style, right? But actual floor plans. So we can have something, some type of variety within the city. [1:05:13, 1:05:27]: You know, you just built one community and I'm all for all of this, but then you're gonna build another one. Let's just make sure let's make sure that it's not the same homes that we're seeing all around our city. All right. Thank you. [1:05:27, 1:05:27]: Thank you. [1:05:31, 1:05:39]: Before I bring the applicant back up to possibly answer any questions, is there anyone against the current uh rezoning case? [1:05:44, 1:05:46]: Please come forward to say your name and address for us. [1:05:51, 1:06:11]: Uh good evening. Um Jocelyn Williams, one ninety Banks Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia, three oh two eight one. The reason I'm for uh opposition of the rezoning is due to the infrastructure that's down on forty forty two and camp uh grounds, um and taking a three to seven year um timeline. [1:06:11, 1:06:17]: will um make it very challenging for that area. Thank you so much for your kindness. [1:06:17, 1:06:17]: Thank you. [1:06:22, 1:06:32]: Courtney Hunter, 164, Titan Road, Stockbridge, Georgia. I just have a question. Wanted to know would the City of Stockbridge legal team be researching any the complaints? [1:06:32, 1:06:37]: that is against maritage homes before we make a final decision as to whether or not to proceed [1:06:38, 1:06:39]: with the building of the homes. [1:06:40, 1:06:49]: So I believe that is beyond the power of this planning commission. Uh but what I'll do is I'll defer that question over to staff. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. [1:06:49, 1:06:53]: Uh would the applicant like to come up and answer those two questions from the community? [1:06:57, 1:07:17]: Sure. I am not aware. I will, you know, in between the two hearings, I will try to find out. I'm not aware of any lawsuits that are that are out there. I know Daniel mentioned he wasn't either either. You know, the three to seven kind of the infrastructure the build out is try to give an idea. You know, if you s if you start construction, you know, you're two years roughly, you know, get [1:07:17, 1:07:37]: Getting a permit, actually turning dirt, the ugly part of it, and then building vertical. You know, you're over two years before you just see a first house uh come in the ground. And then you have years of of of build out for that. And that's what it's for. Um as far as as far as the residential mixed use, uh Willowcrest, like [1:07:37, 1:07:57]: We mentioned, you know, has the mixture of uses within it. Um, Meritage is a national builder, so they are used to partnering with landowners. Rowan, the landowners want to partner, uh, finding the tenants that we're talking about. Uh, at one point, Publix was looking at this site and they ended up kind of going a little further. So the idea was to kind of bring that more narrative. [1:07:57, 1:08:12]: neighborhood size. And so that's really gonna be the focus right now as a partnership to focus on those those um more neighborhood style tenants because there's a need. There's the traffic that is there and there's the need uh for that as well as the housing coming in within walking distance. [1:08:12, 1:08:32]: Um, it was a great question about the variety of home. And really, when we talked to uh council member Alexander, that was one of the big reasons that the plan has evolved as staff has seen it from what it was to what it is now. Um originally when we first submitted, we had uh four feet, you know, narrower townhomes. Uh you actually can see it down on one of the the sites. [1:08:32, 1:08:52]: That was that was discussed. The materials that we're talking about, the three-sided, uh, then also the bungalows was something new. Uh, those don't exist in Henry County in terms of that style of a home, of a detached home that exists in Cobb. And we wanted to bring it over here after talking to him, as well as the townhomes being more to [1:08:52, 1:09:12]: Two-story but wider. Then that way when you're looking at it, it feels more like a single family detached home and it lives more like a single family detached home because of that extra width on it. And then the single family detach having uh a minimum width to it, but then on the north side, we have more room that we can spread out, push the setbacks back. Uh one of the other conditions. [1:09:12, 1:09:32]: That we've been talking about with the councilman was actually having so that we're 30 feet from any any curb with the townhome. So you have way sufficient parking for the cars and everything else. And we have that on our on our plan as well. And so we definitely feel like what we've done with the changes that you see before you today, that we do have. [1:09:32, 1:09:36]: a different variety that you will actually see. But it's a it's a great question. [1:09:36, 1:09:56]: Okay, I'm gonna take a quick uh point of personal privilege to ask a few questions. Sure. Um did you tell us the exact amount of parking lot uh spaces per unit? Uh so everything everything has a a two-car garage, has uh the ability to have two parked, but then we also have additional guest parking through the through the [1:09:56, 1:10:08]: the community. So there's four per every house, uh, but then there's also guests like head end parking, the amenity has parking, and then there's parking on the on the roads, little like uh parallels and everything. [1:10:08, 1:10:28]: Perfect. And I know one of my uh board members, fellow boardman, has also talked about the discussion of an HOA. Is that something that you all plan to bring into this development? Absolutely. Um we'll be fine with committing to the rental restriction and the HOA. Okay, I would I would ask staff to add that to um the conditions that we have set for them. [1:10:28, 1:10:43]: Uh and of course it'll come back to a vote upon this committee, but I also want to know in regards to the HOA, uh, how fast or how immediate would they have the opportunity and the authority to basically manage that property and then what would be the percentage of the capacity at which they can manage? [1:10:44, 1:11:04]: Yeah, I know it goes uh there's a new law as related to when HOAs turn over and I wanna say it's in the ninety ninety percentile range. Uh it's it's very high, yeah. So we would a lot of our communities we don't usually turn over till the last house is sold. So somewhere when you're very close to selling out the last house is when you turn over to the [1:11:04, 1:11:24]: Um home owners. When I was doing different zonings and different places, it was around like 60, 70 percent. And the the c the complaints was [1:11:24, 1:11:34]: when the HA was taken over, there were still construction zones and and they were trying to regulate that and it became a became an issue. So th I think that's all changed to a higher percentage now. [1:11:34, 1:11:36]: Okay, perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you. [1:11:36, 1:11:40]: Right. I will now close the public hearing case. [1:11:40, 1:11:45]: I will now accept a motion from the board. [1:11:54, 1:12:01]: I'd like to present a motion for the rezoning case number RZ twenty twenty-four-ten. [1:12:02, 1:12:06]: Thank you. Before I I take a second, Ms. Jackson, you wanted to add something? [1:12:12, 1:12:22]: Mr. Chair, I just want to be clear on the rental cap that you would like for us to add to the condition. That would be condition number nine. [1:12:22, 1:12:27]: Do you have a specific number in mind or could we recommend? [1:12:28, 1:12:35]: A percentage? I would allow the staff to give the best recommendation for it. Code is ten percent. I'm fine with that. [1:12:38, 1:12:40]: Excuse me, Mr. Chair. Yes. [1:12:42, 1:13:02]: I'm not sure if I'm in the ballpark but I I just wanted to I I I'm just um I I just want to ask how much uh or is this affordable housing or the range of, you know, w when these properties start versus you know, how much how much I mean [1:13:02, 1:13:05]: The the minimum to the maximum. [1:13:05, 1:13:10]: I'll allow the applicant briefly. Yeah, you're allowed to briefly come. Mm-hmm. [1:13:14, 1:13:34]: So our internal projections are based on the market as it is today. It's anyone's guess what the market will be in two and a half years when we're selling the houses, but we would sell at whatever the market allows us to sell. Right now, that projection for us is in the mid-threes to high fours. [1:13:34, 1:13:38]: Thank you so much. [1:13:40, 1:13:47]: I have a motion to accept uh with staff conditions from Mr. Thibodeau. Is there a second? [1:13:48, 1:13:51]: Mr. Chairman. Yes. I'll sock on that motion, please. [1:13:52, 1:14:09]: Commissioner Doumas has seconded the motion. All those in favor, please signify by the sound aye. Aye. Any opposed? So moved. The rezoning case has passed. The next item on tonight's agenda is project updates. Ryan is Could you repeat the um motions? [1:14:09, 1:14:18]: Yes, Mr. Thibodeau made the motion to approve with staff conditions. Uh Commissioner Dumas seconded that motion. It was voted unanimous. [1:14:20, 1:14:40]: Are there any project updates from staff? No, we don't have any. Any staff comments? Uh yes, we'll like to welcome Miss Ms. Walker Boyd and thank you for your s your volunteering your service. Uh we'll be scheduling a training for you in the upcoming weeks. So we'll begin the email. We'll be with the ARC. [1:14:39, 1:14:41]: So we'll send you an email shortly. [1:14:42, 1:15:02]: Thank you. Thank you. I'll now pass it over to Commissioner Min for board comments. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to thank uh Commissioner Dumas for the last year's leadership. Uh very eloquent, calm demeanor, certainly uh an example of uh well-run meetings. So thank you again. [1:15:02, 1:15:03]: Yeah, sir. [1:15:03, 1:15:13]: Thank you, sir. Any other comments from the board? Uh don't forget, uh very professional, very causal, just a great guy. [1:15:15, 1:15:15]: Thank you. [1:15:17, 1:15:37]: And I I'm thankful that I am able to serve with you guys and for the community. Uh District Five i I do live in District Five, so I know uh very much a lot about District Five. So uh I appreciate uh everybody speaking tonight. [1:15:38, 1:15:55]: Let me say I look forward to serving um as this year's chair. I it was a shock for the motion, but I know I have some big shoes to fill with Commissioner Dumas, so I'm glad he's still on the uh board with us to serve. Um and so let's get ready for an awesome year. The last item on tonight's agenda is adjournment. Do I have a motion from a board member? [1:15:56, 1:15:57]: Тому [1:15:57, 1:16:02]: All right, so boom by mister Doomis. Is there a second? I'll second it, Harold. [1:16:02, 1:16:11]: Got two seconds, so I'll take the second from uh Commissioner Thibodeau. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. All right. This meeting is adjourned at 747 p.m.

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2025-01-28 source: 2025-01-28_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:01]: Oh yeah. [0:00:02, 0:00:04]: Yeah, yeah, too. Two different time. [0:00:05, 0:00:08]: Oh, scan. [0:00:08, 0:00:11]: Then it's way there. [0:00:12, 0:00:13]: And you're so [0:00:20, 0:00:21]: Where you were. [0:00:30, 0:00:36]: That's right. [0:00:36, 0:00:40]: They may do it. They have to set their thing. [0:00:46, 0:00:47]: Yeah, yeah, okay. [0:00:58, 0:01:10]: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I have uh 604 and like to start our city council work session uh call it to order. And on that note, uh please stand for invocation. [0:01:13, 0:01:33]: And actually I'll give that tonight. Lord, thank you for bringing us together once again to do the city's business. Allow us to have good logical conversations as we continue to move our city forward. Be us always, Lord, to make the best decisions we can for our constituency and our citizens in in our community. Be us always, Lord, in your name. Amen. Okay, do the Pledge Allegiance? Yeah. [0:01:33, 0:01:43]: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:01:44, 0:01:46]: Madam Clerk, Rockaw, please. [0:01:48, 0:01:49]: Good evening. [0:01:49, 0:01:58]: Evening. Mayor Ford. Present. Mayor Pro Tem Gantt. Present. Council Member Alexander. Present. Councilmember Barber. Present. Council Member Berry. [0:02:00, 0:02:05]: Let the record reflect Council Member Berry is not in attendance. Councilmember Thomas. [0:02:05, 0:02:11]: Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. Thank you, Madam Clerk, appreciate that. Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:02:11, 0:02:16]: So move. Is there a second? A second. Okay from Mr. Alezander and Ms. Kenneth. All in favor, please indicate. [0:02:16, 0:02:18]: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. [0:02:18, 0:02:22]: And uh Madam Clerk, do we have any uh public comments? [0:02:23, 0:02:43]: Okay, we're going to review the minutes. Council please review review the minutes for the January 8th, 2025 council retreat that we had in reference to House Bill 581. And of course, our uh council meeting uh minutes from January 13th, 2025. And of course we will look at those uh we will actually approve those minutes at our next meeting. [0:02:43, 0:03:03]: And so on that note any changes or additions, additions, or whatever the case may be, please let the clerk know that. And then what's up next was uh presentation actually from Path Foundation presentation, strategic plan for implementation and master plan for the trails. Mr. Cantor, if I got that right, and uh Dash. [0:03:03, 0:03:05]: Aaron, please come forward and give the presentation. [0:03:05, 0:03:06]: Mm. [0:03:13, 0:03:33]: Thank you very much, uh Mr. Mayor. Thank you very much, Council. I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you this evening. My name is Eric Gantther. I'm with the Path Foundation. We were hired by the City of Stockbridge. Is your mic on, sir? Um I believe so. Is it on? Am I am I loud enough? Do I need to [0:03:33, 0:03:53]: Okay, very good. So we were hired by the City of Stockbridge to conduct a strategic master plan for trails that is about uh that continues some of the work that you've done in the past. And we wanted to talk to you, give a presentation tonight about highlight of our recommendations and to get some feedback. [0:03:53, 0:03:57]: from you all on what we're seeing and the opportunities that we see. [0:03:58, 0:04:07]: So we'll go over a a draft report overview, some implementation strategies, talk about a model project, and then next steps. [0:04:09, 0:04:29]: Draft report overview. So this uh we'll have a table of contents, five chapters covering how we laid this out, and we'll go over some of the steps here. The master planning goals, the Stockbridge strategic implementation, and master plan for trails will provide guidance to implement trails that connect. [0:04:29, 0:04:37]: All residents in Stockbridge to parks, schools, greenways, commercial areas, and regional destinations. [0:04:38, 0:04:54]: So we've gone through a process. We kicked off last February. We've met with a number of city leaders. We've been guided by city manager Frederick Gardner and um Mister Aaron from Public Works. Been very supportive. [0:04:55, 0:05:00]: So when we do this kind of planning endeavor, what we ask. [0:05:00, 0:05:12]: out front is well where do you want to go on trails? That's always the first question. We want trails to be popular day one. We want them to get places people want to go so they will use them. [0:05:13, 0:05:33]: And when we look in in the city of Stockbridge, the circles there are what people told us those are the places that they wanted to go. That is the public, that is the stakeholders that we spoke to. And then we have the kind of b the larger flow that we see in your city on how they would connect. [0:05:33, 0:05:36]: Connect the places that people want to go. [0:05:37, 0:05:38]: So [0:05:39, 0:05:45]: Kinda to cut to the chase with this, we envision the Stockbridge trail network of twenty four miles of trails. [0:05:47, 0:05:52]: So these are uh these are all ages, all abilities trails? [0:05:53, 0:06:00]: And they connect to the key parts of your city, the uh starting with a downtown and blossoming out from there. [0:06:01, 0:06:10]: They include trails along your creeks, along your streets, and that connect your schools and your parks, as you can see on this map. [0:06:11, 0:06:31]: So when you have 24 miles of trails, that's a lot of trails in a city the size of Stockbridge. And when we lay this out for cities, we do this in a phased process so that you can take smaller bites of that and uh with the idea of accomplishing it in a [0:06:31, 0:06:32]: Reasonable time frame. [0:06:33, 0:06:53]: So, what you're looking at here, the program segments are in blue. That's where you already have work underway. That includes uh Rock Quarry Road, the rebuild on that. You've got Tie Street that is being rebuilt as well. There is the DRI, the large project there on. [0:06:53, 0:07:04]: on Flippin' Road, the Flippin' Road DRI, so that's the blue piece there on Reeves Creek that extends your really lovely Reeves Creek Greenway. [0:07:06, 0:07:26]: Other pieces in um so that that would connect. You you've got a nice foundation for a network there. Then there's the proposed phase one that is five miles of trails. We s we focus on the downtown, this the core, the historic core of the city, but then also are [0:07:26, 0:07:45]: Looking at out Walt Stevens Road. Then phase two after that, 10 miles, looking at extending that Reeves Creek Trail up towards the Walmart, and then going in the other direction, following Little Cotton Indian Creek out to the east side of the city. [0:07:47, 0:08:07]: So gives you a sense there. Uh these are the trail types. So when we are doing trails planning, we look at this these types of trails that we think are appropriate for Stockbridge. Those are greenways. So your Reeves Creek Trail is an example of a greenway, really beautiful side paths. [0:08:07, 0:08:22]: Those are trails that are adjacent to streets. Here's an example of one in Atlanta where you can see it has a stripe in it. That's a multi-use, that's a shared use side path. And so that is um [0:08:23, 0:08:43]: That is the kind of legal description of what a side path is. And then there are calm streets. Calm streets are streets where typically in a in a residential area where we have families with children and people who want to be on the street. We we can uh have those for short distance. [0:08:43, 0:08:50]: To make important connections in the network. We'll talk about what those look like here. [0:08:50, 0:08:54]: Ненвел з тварифом trails, what we're seeing. [0:08:56, 0:09:16]: Um, is the opportunity to really connect. And we know that uh from the from the surveys that we've taken, over 60% of p of stock bridgians would use a bike facility if it's separated from vehicles. So that's really the key here. We're wanting to have a network. [0:09:15, 0:09:35]: that is separated from vehicles on all ages, all abilities network that is safe and inviting. This is a really important part of economic development for uh cities today, especially in the Atlanta region. You're competing with other cities that have these amenities that people have stated that they want. [0:09:35, 0:09:36]: [577.1, 596.2]: So when we look at the at these uh trail types in relation to those trails, so you can see here the green are greenways, the mustard, those are the side paths along your bigger streets. And then we've got a few examples of Calm Street that we would add into the mix here as well. [0:10:00, 0:10:20]: Now the uh here are the names. We think it's important to name trails so that they have their own identity. And that builds that builds a brand with the people and helps identify a network so that you can have signage that would indicate, for example, the Brush Creek Greenway, the Brush Creek Green. [0:10:20, 0:10:40]: Greenway, we think, is going to be really the star or one of the stars of the trail network here in Stockbridge. Then you've got the amphitheater trail, the Stock Bridge. You know, we can talk about the name of that, but I thought that would be kind of a fun way to reference it. That would be a bridge here over the railroad tracks. [0:10:40, 0:11:00]: Uh the Rock Conyers Trail, so you've got Rock Quarry Road and Old Conyers Road. We might combine those to call that the Rock Conyers Trail. Heritage Trail, of course, that's Martin Luther King Sr. Heritage there. Um Reeves Greenway, which you already have, the Red Oak Trail, note that. [0:11:00, 0:11:08]: That one actually is uh the idea there is to go to the Red Oak Elementary School along Walt Stevens Road and Flippin' Road. [0:11:10, 0:11:30]: So the Brush Creek Greenway, we really feel like this is going to be a huge opportunity for the city. And why? Because it connects two of your parks. Right now you've got two parks right next to each other, but there's a railroad in between them. And that's Cochrane Park and Clark Community. [0:11:30, 0:11:35]: Community park. So the idea here is to pop a tunnel. [0:11:35, 0:11:55]: Thro underneath that railroad berm, underneath where that railroad is, that's Norfolk Southern. We're in discussions with Norfolk Southern on several places in the state of Georgia, so we're cautiously optimistic that we can get permission to do this. Look at what that will do. It'll connect two parks with a really [0:11:55, 0:12:04]: Compelling underpass. And it's not too long, so it isn't going to be creepy. So you've got an opportunity for art and light in there. [0:12:04, 0:12:07]: And then those two parts become one. [0:12:07, 0:12:16]: Right now, to get around, you have to it's a long drive to get around to get between the two parks, and people really don't see them as a connection. [0:12:16, 0:12:27]: So we really feel this is a uh the foundation of a really good trail network and a fantastic place um to begin in the near term. [0:12:29, 0:12:35]: Along this is the Red Oak Trail, the proposed side path on Walt Stevens Road, the bridge. [0:12:36, 0:12:56]: So you're familiar with this. This is on the west side of town. That's a fairly busy road. It is, there's a lot of width on the right-of-way there. That was designed, that was purchased a right-of-way or created right-of-way for a much bigger road, with the idea there would be an intersection. [0:12:56, 0:13:09]: or interchange with the interstate, that did not happen. So we have some opportunity as a result of that. And we know that that was in your T S Plus. So we want to talk about that as well. [0:13:11, 0:13:24]: Another example, here's the heritage trail. So in this image that's Memorial Park in the background. And that is Second Street, let me think. No, no, Jennings. [0:13:24, 0:13:35]: Jenningsway, thank you. Yeah, Jennings Way. So Jennings Way has on either side, you can see on the left of that image, there i there's a cemetery there. [0:13:35, 0:13:55]: And to the right there are a couple of homes, but we see an opportunity to close this street at least beyond those residential driveways and create a greenway very affordably with land that you control that's already paved. It would be a great [0:13:55, 0:13:57]: addition to the network for not a lot of money. [0:14:00, 0:14:20]: Here's the stock bridge, as we've discussed. This is a parallel structure to North Henry Boulevard. And that is it is a really useful connection and an opportunity to brand the center of the city. So we need to, you know, if we fast forward what is stock bridge? [0:14:20, 0:14:40]: Going to look like 30 years from now. And I think it's going to be very different. I think you're going to have a dense center. I think your zoning is set up for that. Stockbridge is really ideally located in lots of ways for economic development, residential, business opportunities in the center of a city that. [0:14:40, 0:14:51]: is thriving with pedestrian and bicycle activity. That is a potential real future vision that I want us to hold on to when we're thinking about these trails. [0:14:53, 0:15:13]: So when we went uh we went out, we've been out to the public. There's been a bunch of work, and I need to acknowledge that the city has done a bunch of work in the past on trails. You had a a uh a trail plan from twenty seventeen, you've had some downtown sidewalk plans. Um there have been other work in this area, and we were hired. [0:15:13, 0:15:33]: To kind of tie some of that together and be strategic about how we can get some of the stuff done. So, as a result of that, the city didn't need or want to spend a lot of money on a bunch more public outreach, but we did feel it was necessary to do some of that, really just to float some ideas around, to focus. [0:15:33, 0:15:53]: Folks, give them an opportunity to give us some feedback. So we had a public meeting and a survey. We didn't get a huge outpouring of response there, but it was even small numbers of people will give you a sense. If people are going to be really mad about something, typically they're going to show up and scream, as you're, you know, I'm sure. [0:15:53, 0:16:09]: Well aware. And we did certainly have not had that. The the feedback that we've had has been very positive with the stakeholders that we've spoken with, the public that we've spoken with. So I want to assure you that that that is an important piece for us. [0:16:10, 0:16:30]: Um here's a summary of the community feedback. You can see it's mostly positive here. Um some you know concerns about a long the the one up here in the middle that in red long overdue progress in the area to enhance pedestrian safety and walkability. So people want it, and I think they're a little impatient. [0:16:30, 0:16:32]: patient. That was what I was getting out of that. [0:16:33, 0:16:53]: All right, implementation strategies. That's really what we're here to talk about. So there's that trail network, and we've broken this out into uh program segments and phase one segments. So what we could do, and we want to start there. Uh the the idea is to start phase one with number one, rush brush uh crack. [0:16:53, 0:17:00]: Creek Greenway Segment One and then slowly build those up from there. And [0:17:00, 0:17:15]: And then here's a phase two. So this is you can see here, we're building the core. We're building off of what you've already started and trying to leverage as much of that as possible so that pieces connect. [0:17:15, 0:17:24]: That is a really important thing. We want to build stuff that people are going to use and they're going to use it if it goes somewhere. So that is an important piece of this. [0:17:25, 0:17:30]: Then phase two, once we've done that the the core of the network. [0:17:30, 0:17:47]: and we're comfortable with that and people have started using it, then what you're gonna hear, you're gonna hear from them. They're gonna say, hey, when are you gonna start building those other pieces? We're excited about this stuff. So that's when we've got the phase two plan kicks in. That's gonna be a few years from now. [0:17:48, 0:17:53]: So we've done cost estimating. Path foundation, all we do is build trails. [0:17:54, 0:18:14]: We're a nonprofit organization. We've built 340 miles of trails, mostly in Georgia, mostly in the Atlanta area. We've been in business as a nonprofit for 34 years. So when we estimate costs, we are very we stand behind those. The numbers that are included here [0:18:14, 0:18:16]: Here are from twenty twenty four. [0:18:16, 0:18:22]: They include construction, uh, standards, signage, landscaping, trail amenities. [0:18:22, 0:18:25]: And a contingency that's important. [0:18:25, 0:18:27]: They do not include. [0:18:27, 0:18:29]: Easement and property acquisition. [0:18:30, 0:18:46]: That's a big one, public art, maintenance, lighting, security cameras, and construction management. But I wanna say that if Path is hired to do the work, we provide construction management included in the package, and that's a six percent off the top savings. [0:18:47, 0:18:51]: Now phase one cost summary, these are some big numbers. [0:18:52, 0:19:12]: But this is a long-term project. And so if we think about Stockbridge and roll forward, you know, what can we do in 10 years? What can we do in 12 years? And we feel like this is conceivably possible in 10 to 12 years. Um, if as your city grows, you're up to 35,000 residents now. [0:19:12, 0:19:32]: Probably going to be adding more in the future. That's a broadening tax base. There are splost opportunities. Uh, there are state funding opportunities and grants that we can apply for, and developers. So Councilmember Alexander certainly knows this. I'm sure some of the others of you do too. That when you [0:19:32, 0:19:43]: you get a good development in there and you can s and they wanna build, if there is a plan that shows a trail alignment, then you can negotiate with them to build that trail for you. [0:19:44, 0:19:53]: That is part of the deal in building the development. And that's part of the value of adding this into the city planning documents. [0:19:54, 0:19:56]: All right. Model project. [0:19:57, 0:20:02]: What makes a successful model project? Basically, it goes where people want it to go. [0:20:02, 0:20:18]: Right. You want it to be a hit day one. You want it to be something when the ribbon is cut, people are using it, and they're every time they see you, they stop you and they say, Councilmember Gantt, thank you so very much for supporting this trail because we use it all the time. That's the kind of success we want to see. [0:20:20, 0:20:21]: Um [0:20:22, 0:20:42]: Okay, and then is the trail safe and inviting? So it's gotta be nice. It can't just be a trail, you know, uh that's necessarily like cheek to jowl on the side of a road where you've got truck traffic. That isn't nice. We want that to be something where where people are feel welcome, where they s they [0:20:42, 0:20:46]: want to go, they want to take their friends and their family members to go see it. [0:20:48, 0:21:08]: And then is it relatively easy to implement? So we can cook up lots of ideas, and there's certainly been a lot of planning efforts in this area, some of which didn't really consider the ease of implementation. So one of the benefits of the Path Foundation's experience is we know where you're going to run into trouble, and we seek to avoid that trouble. [0:21:08, 0:21:16]: from the very beginning. So this trail plan is feasible, it's doable. We're not cut we're not um [0:21:16, 0:21:26]: uh dealing with a lot of private property owners, we've stayed away almost entirely from single family homes because we know that can be challenging politically. [0:21:28, 0:21:37]: All right, so the recommended model project Brush Creek Greenway Segment One. We wanna get started, we wanna get started soon. [0:21:37, 0:21:39]: And this is the opportunity. [0:21:39, 0:21:59]: Um it's a short piece, but I think it's a compelling piece. It's going to connect it it'll begin the connection going west from Clark Community Park. That's on uh largely on publicly owned land. It is entirely along a sewer easement. There is a development there. [0:21:59, 0:22:06]: that we'll talk about in a minute. But you can see here relatively short quarter mile. [0:22:07, 0:22:19]: Construction cost uh one point nine million. That includes a pretty hefty contingency. We think we're gonna be able to beat those numbers significantly for you. The design cost, 110. [0:22:20, 0:22:26]: And that again that excludes the ca uh construction management cost. So if you were to go out. [0:22:26, 0:22:46]: To other entities, to private entities, you're going to have construction management on top of that. Construction management is something that Path brings for free on these projects. Not for free, of course, but that's why we're in business. So here's a little zoom in so you can see the parcels that we're talking about. [0:22:46, 0:23:00]: talking about the city of Stockbridge owns two of them. That's along Brush Creek. And then QMS Enterprises, which is in the process of building a townhome community, is on the end of Club Place there. [0:23:01, 0:23:07]: And so we've seen that design, and we know that this trail alignment will not get in their way. [0:23:07, 0:23:27]: um of that design. And it is a fantastic amenity that at this point especially would be useful for them and make their townhomes more marketable, frankly, because you've got a lovely greenway connecting to a park, an amenity that people around the Atlanta region have wanted [0:23:27, 0:23:28]: Wanted. [0:23:29, 0:23:49]: So some images here. This is looking east at Clark Community Park. There's Brush Creek. And so imagine a 12-foot trail alignment there going into the park. So that's looking east from Davis Road. And then here we are on the other side, looking west on Davis Road. And that's that sewer alignment that we have. [0:23:49, 0:24:04]: we've talked about. So you've got the creek and the sewer alignment, and that is an opportunity. We like working on sewer lines. We're good at working on sewer lines. We understand how to do that. Sewer lines can't have trees growing on them. [0:24:05, 0:24:25]: And they can't have buildings on top of them. So they're really perfect candidates for trails. And this, we think, is a good place for y'all to begin this next round of trail building because the city owns most of the land. It's a relatively small project that can be achievable, and people want to see. [0:24:25, 0:24:29]: results and this I think will be it'll have enough bang for the book. [0:24:30, 0:24:31]: Um [0:24:31, 0:24:34]: It will be compelling. So [0:24:35, 0:24:55]: If you know if you all approve this as part of the uh plan that that you have the opportunity to vote on possibly on February 10th, um then we would if if you all approve, we would get to work right away. We'd start survey. That's the first thing you have to do is survey. We'd work with a landowner to make sure. [0:24:55, 0:25:01]: QMS and work with them on getting an easement on the edge of that project. [0:25:01, 0:25:20]: Then do 30%, 60% design of um leading into the summer, uh do permitting coordination and uh getting permits by the fall, get all the easements lined up, and then the goal would be substantial completion February of 27. So in two years. [0:25:21, 0:25:23]: Soup to nuts, you'd have a trail. [0:25:24, 0:25:44]: And we can show the residents of Stockbridge that we can do something. We can begin that Brush Creek Greenway. While we're doing that, we can be having our discussions with Norfolk Southern to see if we can get a permit to do that tunnel underneath to connect the parks. So you can start to send then see. [0:25:44, 0:25:46]: see how we can build the network out. [0:25:46, 0:26:06]: All right, next steps. Um we we've given you a copy of the report. Uh our apologies. I believe it was delayed a bit by weather last week, uh, but I'm hoping that everyone has a copy of that. We would like your feedback on that. We don't have a lot of time. Uh we're we're you know we're hooked. [0:26:06, 0:26:16]: hoping to get some feedback from you soon that we can then incorporate into that and then uh have the opportunity uh to vote on that on February 10th. [0:26:16, 0:26:24]: So if that happens and you approve and and we're able to move forward, then in March we're going to begin the work. [0:26:25, 0:26:34]: So it's it is a it's a quick build, but we know that you've done this planning. We know people want this stuff, so we are hopeful uh for your vote. [0:26:35, 0:26:53]: Okay, that's um I'm Eric Gantther. Nico Shen is our designer. It's uh it's Chinese New Year this evening, is the is the New Year's Eve in on the lunar calendar and and she's of uh uh Chinese descent, so she's with her family tonight, uh, but sends her regards. [0:26:54, 0:27:14]: No problem. Appreciate the briefing. Um, I would tell you that um there's several things I like about the plan, several. And the connectivity, I would say, between uh Gardner Park and Car Park, which is our biggest part, to have that connectivity underneath the rail line is wonderful. I'd like to see that, obviously see that happen. May take some time, but like to see it happen on working with the railroad. [0:27:14, 0:27:34]: can be sometimes a little difficult, but uh we've made some headway with them over the over the past year here out of quiet zone, so it can be done. Um the uh the east-west uh connection downtown uh east west connection through the downtown area right uh next to Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Bridge there is [0:27:34, 0:27:41]: Fantastic for pedestrian bridge there to connect both sides of the downtown area to one another. It's a fantastic idea as well. [0:27:42, 0:27:55]: Uh there's plenty of plenty of great things to say about the trail plan and uh look forward to uh further information of course from the council's uh comments and I know I would say the council has plenty of comments in this place, so who will have to go first? [0:27:56, 0:27:57]: Well, Miss Cannon, go ahead, please. [0:27:58, 0:28:02]: All right, thank you, Mayor. Um thank you for this presentation. It was excellent. [0:28:02, 0:28:18]: I know Councilman Alexander has been an advocate and really pushing this and have been going to the meetings and has really spearheaded getting this started for us. Um so I I thank you too, Councilman Alexander, for that. This is a job well done. Um [0:28:19, 0:28:33]: And I really appreciate it. I I'm excited about seeing where we're getting the ball moving. We're starting to get some things accomplished with the trail. Reeves Creek Trail is used. People want mobility. They want to exercise. They want to be out. [0:28:33, 0:28:37]: And іт there's a a dire need for it. [0:28:37, 0:28:40]: Um I'm also excited to see in my district that [0:28:41, 0:29:01]: you guys are taking into consideration to begin on Watts Stevens. There's that Lake Spivey area where the park has this beautiful trail that people go to both in Henry and Clayton County specifically. A lot of people in Henry County go over to that park because of the trails and because they're able to work out, they're able to ride. [0:29:01, 0:29:09]: You you see bike, um, people running their bikes, and then it ends, right? And so to be able to connect to that. [0:29:09, 0:29:12]: Um, and go all the way to Reeves Creek. [0:29:13, 0:29:16]: And just tie in from that from that west side. [0:29:16, 0:29:17]: Would be [0:29:18, 0:29:22]: Absolutely, you know, amazing. It would be awesome. It it helps. [0:29:22, 0:29:42]: With the larger picture of us actually tying into another county. Yes. Within a quick fix, you know, not necessarily a quick fix of it, but it shows the potential of what we can do all the way to Panola Mountain if we wish to do so at some point and extend. So it's a great opportunity and a great starting point. And so I thank you [0:29:42, 0:29:43]: You guys for considering that. [0:29:44, 0:29:50]: And I know that my constituents in my district would look forward to that. That's wonderful. [0:29:50, 0:30:04]: So I'm all for it. Whatever we need to do to get the ball rolling. We had a class um this weekend we went to all of us went to Cities United, which is a Georgia Municipal Association. And SWANE actually [0:30:05, 0:30:10]: did one of the underground tunnels. I remember years ago when Lee Stewart was trying to get [0:30:10, 0:30:30]: Um former mayor one of our former mayors was trying to get an underground tunnel tunnel path, you know. Um and that's always been a vision to connect those parks. To be able to connect that or and and know that a lot of people, oh, it's not gonna be possible, it's costly. But to know that the railroad, they've worked with us on a quiet zone, you know. [0:30:30, 0:30:46]: You know, that we are willing to partner and do what we can for the betterment of our community and we have those partners out there. I mean, I I think it can get done. So I just wanna say thank you guys. Thank you so much for all the work you've done thus far and continue to do. [0:30:47, 0:30:50]: That's great. Thank you very much. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. [0:30:50, 0:30:51]: Thank you. [0:30:53, 0:31:02]: Good evening. Good evening. I want to also echo what all of our council members are really saying. We are excited about uh this project. Um [0:31:02, 0:31:16]: I was in the class that Mrs. Gantt was referring to and we we talked about the trail. And one of the questions I asked cost then and cost today. [0:31:18, 0:31:21]: I'm curious as to what that would actually cost. [0:31:25, 0:31:40]: But what I like to do is drill down a little deeper into the um the coordinations. Um I read over this uh last night. [0:31:41, 0:31:42]: El [0:31:43, 0:31:45]: А I see the connectivity. [0:31:48, 0:31:54]: That is a T-splosh project that deals with uh curbing gutters and sidewalks. [0:31:55, 0:31:58]: And um they are working on the [0:31:58, 0:32:14]: TI Street project right now. It also will deal with the uh Emil King and I know we have a a property owner here that lives uh in the uh trail district. Um and so [0:32:15, 0:32:20]: And I know uh I see Mr. Aaron back there and I think he may can respond to some of this. [0:32:21, 0:32:24]: Is there a coordination? [0:32:26, 0:32:26]: With the [0:32:27, 0:32:28]: Trail plan. [0:32:29, 0:32:32]: And with the curb and gutter project. [0:32:32, 0:32:33]: Also [0:32:34, 0:32:36]: We have talked about [0:32:37, 0:32:39]: The widening of [0:32:39, 0:32:48]: flipping road. I know road project it take a zillion years, so I know we won't hold up waiting on that to happen. But I just wanna make sure that [0:32:49, 0:32:53]: Any trail plan on flipping. [0:32:53, 0:32:56]: Is with the understanding that eventually [0:32:56, 0:32:58]: That widening is going to happen. [0:32:59, 0:33:18]: And so I just want to make sure if there's some coordination. Now within the uh ML King community, um there are the curb and gutter projects and some sidewalks. And as you know, when you do uh curb, so you eventually gonna wipe. I just wanna make sure that [0:33:18, 0:33:27]: These two projects are being coordinated. And I don't know, Mr. Aaron, if you want to respond to any of this, but I do know on Tight Street. [0:33:27, 0:33:30]: Uh sidewalks are going in, they're planning now. [0:33:31, 0:33:31]: Um [0:33:32, 0:33:49]: Where you have Memorial Park, that is a master plan that we are considering now. You mentioned Jennings Way. There is some conversation about Jennings Way being a one way. Uh we're not really, really sure. [0:33:50, 0:34:02]: And but we're talking about an another access in from M L King or Rock Quarry. So you got to have these kind of thing because if you close Jen and Way and just make that a one way. [0:34:03, 0:34:06]: And it's a very frequent part. [0:34:07, 0:34:16]: And so you had to consider if you close Jen and Way, you're bringing all of that traffic through the interior of that neighborhood. [0:34:16, 0:34:36]: And it is well, well visited. So I'm throwing all of this out hoping that all of these issues are in consideration of what we do as far as the the curb and gutter projects and the path. For sure, we're all in favor and we understand the connect. [0:34:36, 0:34:56]: And how we bring all of these neighborhoods and these communities together, as well as health and wellness. Folks are walking the dog, they pushing the baby strollers, they jogging, they walking, they riding their bike. So we get that, and that is really great for all of this. But I just want to make sure. [0:34:56, 0:34:58]: [2098.6, 2100.3]: The Path Foundation [0:35:00, 0:35:01]: Is [0:35:02, 0:35:22]: informed of what the Curb and the Gother project and the sidewalk project, especially on Tie Street, on ML King, um Harris's Trail, so we don't step over each other. As long as we are coordinating and we know that this project is come, one may come before the other, but we will allow [0:35:22, 0:35:25]: The space, the footage to accommodate the [0:35:25, 0:35:29]: That future when it does happen, as I mentioned, flipping. [0:35:30, 0:35:31]: You know, who knows? [0:35:31, 0:35:37]: But that is the plan to widen that. So I just want to make sure that whatever we do on flipping. [0:35:38, 0:35:40]: It is it with the understanding of [0:35:40, 0:36:00]: what may happen in the future. But but specifically though, I want to sort of drill back into uh Jennings way and and we just don't know just yet, but um we've had a couple of town halls, but we still never did decide just yet on what to do with Jennings Way. As you mentioned, [0:36:00, 0:36:03]: There are cemeteries on both sides. [0:36:04, 0:36:05]: So [0:36:05, 0:36:25]: I I I just don't know. Um before I ask my other question, uh Mr. Aaron, did you want to sort of respond to uh Memorial Park and Jenny's way? Yes, Councilman Thomas. There has been coordination between the Path Foundation, Falcon Design, and TSW so that there's not a duplication or redundancy of efforts from three different entities. [0:36:25, 0:36:35]: entities. So everybody is working in coordination with each other. We had that joint meeting and one of the decisions the council made was to close the transfer station which would [0:36:36, 0:36:47]: provide a new entrance into Memorial Park. And so that will allow us to do the things that's proposed for Jennings Way because it'll take that traffic that comes to [0:36:47, 0:37:07]: Uh Memorial Park off of Jennings Way and bring'em into the new entrance off of Martin Luther King Senior where the current transfer station now sits. But yes, sir, there has been cooperation among everybody so that we all are in unison and not everybody is working on their separate plans which conflict with each other. So yes, there is coordination. [0:37:07, 0:37:16]: And and that and that's what's important for me. Um, I do understand, you know, the the out of picture as you just presented. [0:37:16, 0:37:36]: But I do understand that once you get into the minutiae of it and and the actual planning, I know sometimes that we can sort of bump into each other. But I but I'm glad to hear that, Mr. Aaron, that that is a coordination. And so I'm satisfied with that. Um I live in the Memorial Park community and I know. [0:37:36, 0:37:41]: I know I see it every day, especially during the summer months. Uh [0:37:41, 0:37:49]: the the the packedness or the the jamming of the traffic trying to get in and out of my murder and right now most folks [0:37:50, 0:38:08]: don't really know how to get there. And so they'll come through the neighborhood and they're looking. But I think with the with the future plan and as Mr. Aaron started mentioned with the transfer station being gone. So it's just good to know that we are working on that. And I I'm excited to see how all of this is gonna work out at the end. [0:38:08, 0:38:28]: And I think uh Mrs. Ganttz ought to mention about our citizens. I know they are excited about this, and I know this council is excited. So um I reserve the time. I have a couple other questions, but I'm gonna allow some of my other councilmates to ask a couple of questions. Um but I am excited about this and I wanna thank you for that information. Um my only [0:38:28, 0:38:48]: concerned at this point was about Memorial Park and Jennings way uh being able to connect Reed's Creek Trail, especially coming off of Flipping, coming off of Tyre, and then into uh the Memorial Park area. And I just was a little concerned about that. But I think uh Mr. You saw explained that and that that coordination is definitely [0:38:48, 0:38:51]: Yeah, uh everybody's meeting and it's being talked about. [0:38:51, 0:38:59]: Yeah, also be reminded that the city did also purchase that additional lot next to the transfer station, which will also help with [0:38:59, 0:39:10]: parking for Memorial Park as well. And just wanna everybody know that Path Foundation their specialty is in is trails. So anything that's trail related, we have [0:39:10, 0:39:23]: turned it over to the Path Foundation. Falcon is mainly working on infrastructure such as widening the roads and curving gutters. So the trail part is remaining with PATS so that we ensure those projects move quickly. [0:39:24, 0:39:33]: Thank thank you, Mayor. Okay, no problem. Thank you, sir. Yeah, Ms. Kent, you can't have a coup one more question and Mr. Aaron, maybe you can help me with this too. So and [0:39:34, 0:39:54]: T Sploss has 3.3 million allocated to the Walt Stevens Trail Area. But I see there there are two numbers. There's one part of it's listed as part two, like two segments, it's broken into two segments. The first segment is right there in like around the Marnark village area. The second one actually is like near. [0:39:54, 0:39:57]: listed as number eight project that is tied [0:39:57, 0:39:59]: over to the Lake Spivey area. [0:40:00, 0:40:01]: Twofold, I have spoken to Count. [0:40:02, 0:40:05]: Uh Commissioner uh Robinson, this is her district. [0:40:06, 0:40:08]: And um this is one of those projects where [0:40:09, 0:40:14]: We had talked about maybe trying to implement some of the funding to help. [0:40:15, 0:40:19]: you know, make sure that the connectivity from Lake Spybee from the Clayton County. [0:40:19, 0:40:26]: crosses on over. Is that 3.3 for both segments or is that just for segment one? [0:40:26, 0:40:30]: And is it possible that we can work on that segment together? [0:40:31, 0:40:36]: or or what's the challenge there? Because I what I like is the idea of [0:40:36, 0:40:38]: The connectivity from one [0:40:39, 0:40:42]: Big part, the huge part we're talking about, that water part. [0:40:42, 0:40:47]: Um in Lake Spivey with all the trails they have going and people utilising that area. [0:40:48, 0:40:53]: Where it's starting to connect and we're starting you'll see that connectivity to re towards Reefs Creek. [0:40:54, 0:40:59]: So w is it possible to do that in one as one segment or [0:40:59, 0:41:06]: Is that the funds allocated the three point three for the first segment? How does that work? What what does that look like for us? [0:41:08, 0:41:28]: So the yeah, what you're referencing we're calling the Red Oak Trail. The Red Oak Trail would would use Flippin and Walt Stevens as a as a way to get to Red Oak Elementary School and that neighborhood that used to be called Red Oak Road before it was called Walt Stevens. So so Red Oak seemed like a nice name for it. [0:41:28, 0:41:48]: And the we broke it into two segments because we find that when you have a slightly smaller project, it's easier to build. And we really want to be considerate of what is needed from city staff to deliver a project successfully. [0:41:48, 0:42:08]: Successfully for you. So that way with two pieces. So now you you asked about the 3 million and the T splost. And the 3 million, as you can see, would be a little less than half of what is needed for Red Oak Trail Segment One. So we've got there's some strategies here that we could look at. [0:42:07, 0:42:27]: One of which would be to use that$3 million as a local match for both segments. So if we look at segment one and segment two, we're looking at about 13.5 million. If there's a 20% match, that$3 million could be used in that fashion to [0:42:27, 0:42:30]: Attract ARC funding. [0:42:31, 0:42:32]: As an option. [0:42:32, 0:42:51]: Right. So that would be or if if the city is able is able to come up with the uh another three million, then you could focus on one of those segments. Um, you know, it would be a little bit more on segment two is that piece that goes from the school west uh to um [0:42:52, 0:43:12]: Clayton County and then we need to coordinate with Clayton County on that, but we think that's a good opportunity for Henry and Clayton to work together. And you know, so but I think that's a that that will need to be determined as um Councilmember Thomas said, it's really about coordination. It's coordination within [0:43:12, 0:43:20]: In the city departments, and then between city and Henry County, and s and then Henry County and Clayton County. Okay. So there's a lot there. [0:43:21, 0:43:23]: Did you want to add anything? Ms. Alexander. [0:43:24, 0:43:30]: I was gonna let Miss Barber you have any comments? I was gonna speak last if you have you don't have any comments. [0:43:30, 0:43:50]: Okay, I appreciate that and um certainly I'm supportive of what Councilwoman Gantt has indicated. I think that would be truly a a game changer to be able to connect uh the Lake's Five Park with Reeves Creek and basically it would help those residents to be able to actually go. [0:43:50, 0:44:10]: I'm all the way into downtown into the amphitheater once this whole project is built out. So it would not only just connect it to Rees Creek, it would actually continue to Martin Luther King Heritage, to Rocori, uh, you know, on down to the amphitheater area. And the new STEM school, as you mentioned, cut. [0:44:10, 0:44:30]: Trying to get to points of con uh points of interest, such as Red Oak Elementary, you know, Stockbridge Elementary, all right there, Cotton Indian, Stockbridge Elementary, all of those points of interest it allows kids to be able to go to school and it allows everybody to get to the grocery store, the food depot, or to get to public [0:44:29, 0:44:49]: Publics. All of those uh indicators will will be very key to what we're doing. And as you said, we should be very anxious about being able to pursue funding because we just went to the GMA conference and the dollars are going to be on the table. Uh the governor in his speech said there's going to be 250 million a day. [0:44:49, 0:45:09]: additional dollars uh in addition to the transportation funding that is already available. So we're gonna be trying to chase those dollars and hopefully with your assistance we will be able to acquire it because this project should be at the top of the list, not just here, but in the region because it certainly would highlight uh a lot of things that we're trying to do. [0:45:09, 0:45:29]: Do here uh in the city of Stockbridge. So I honestly, and w as Councilman Thomas has indicated, uh in his area, it will give us access to the Greenfront Cafe, Tie Street, the Memorial Park, all of those and uh or interests. And I know you you're very sensitive as most people coming here. I appreciate [0:45:29, 0:45:35]: You bringing us a project that's one point nine million, right? Or one what was it, one point [0:45:35, 0:45:55]: It is. And I will say that is also in your splost. Right. And that's what I'm saying. It was a and let me say within your splost amount. We don't that's we could that's why we could begin the mid on February tenth if you say yes, we'll sign the documents by the end of the month. March first will off to the races because you've already got the funding. [0:45:55, 0:46:15]: That was part of the idea there. We looked at Red Oak Trail too, because we know as you both described, that is really an important trail for the community just as a connecting piece. But there's not enough spLOS money there. So we thought, where do you already have money that we can out the gate get going? Because you've told us. [0:46:15, 0:46:35]: Get going. We want to see some trails built. We want to see some action. And I so we hope that's well what I want to do is I I think you're being sensitive that we want to be good stewards of the city's money and what have you. But certainly a bigger number wouldn't happen to scare us because we're trying to look at uh making [0:46:35, 0:46:40]: making this happen uh in the short term. Mr. Malazzi, will you come up for us please? [0:46:42, 0:47:02]: I think one of the things that we did was uh Mr. Aaron, you can remain up front as well. We talked about the total dollars that were available in various accounts. And I think the number that you gave me, I think we had maybe twelve million in one of the accounts and then fifteen million um uh in the in in one of the TC. [0:47:02, 0:47:10]: Flice accounts, do you have those numbers available or would I don't I didn't bring them up here or would you do would you be able to [0:47:10, 0:47:30]: Find them for us. I think we had twelve million in one count and then fifteen million in one account. So we got a significant amount of money uh in the T Sploster count and in the Sploster count uh splot. And then we are about to start collecting money on splot six, which will start in April. So [0:47:30, 0:47:50]: So in addition to that nearly$30 million that we have uh in those two existing SPLOSS accounts, we're about to start collecting money on a third SPLOSS account, uh the SPLOSS 6 account. So there will be significant amounts of funding that will be available for us to be able to move forward. [0:47:50, 0:48:10]: At a if with funding not being of essence because of 1.9 is where we are now, and there's about 30 million in those two accounts for various projects, then there's 30 million just in the T that's 22 million, 21, 22 million in the T. [0:48:10, 0:48:28]: T-SPLOST just for trails. So it whatever whatever we need to do to be able to help finance some of those projects, that's twenty million dollars uh that will be collected. And I thunderstand we're collecting about what, five hundred thousand dollars a month or so. Uh could you speak on that? [0:48:29, 0:48:32]: So in the past all our [0:48:32, 0:48:52]: available funds were just put in the checking accounts. So there was nothing that we're getting actually we are paying fees. But now we moved them, we put them in the interest earning check um checking accounts. No when I say that I'm not talking about the bond. I'm talking about the actual T Splas collection, the one p [0:48:52, 0:49:04]: The one cent collection. So yeah, so they are all and them even we have money, we are still getting interest on that. Right. But the most important thing is that he has said that you whichever we get the money [0:49:04, 0:49:06]: We have to use it as a [0:49:06, 0:49:22]: local march so that we go for the grant. So we don't exhaust whatever we have for other projects. If we can get three million, three point something million and they help us to get the grants, that will be an excellent option to take. [0:49:23, 0:49:39]: Absolutely. And the funding was there as we're pursuing the Flip and Road project, right, Mr. Aaron? I mean I'm sorry, the um Tie Street project. Those projects are actually and the pr the projects in Councilman Thomas' district are actually moving forward as well, correct? [0:49:40, 0:50:00]: Yes, sir, they are. Okay. So I just don't want everybody to think that this is the only project that we're working on. There's additional projects that are being worked on as we move uh through this uh one thing I would like to just caution. Correct. A twenty per a twenty percent match couldn't [0:50:00, 0:50:08]: Unlock state and federal money. The challenge with state and federal money is that it's really designed to build a highway. [0:50:09, 0:50:19]: And it turns a one-year take it turns a two to three year trail project and turns it into a seven to ten year project. And I'm not exaggerating. [0:50:20, 0:50:40]: Because it triggers all kinds of environmental stuff and there's political and financial processes that the f state and federal funds come with so many strings. Now, all money is good money, but some money is better than others. And when you have local money, you don't have any of that. [0:50:39, 0:50:50]: So what we don't want to do is hamstring too much of your local money into these federal projects that could stretch out until we're all retired. [0:50:51, 0:50:51]: Mm-hmm. [0:50:51, 0:51:10]: Right. You know, so we if you want to see action, the best thing to do is use your local money to get something out there to show people that it can be done and then go back and ask for more. I mean, the nice thing about trail projects, I mean, I'm not saying thirty seven million dollars is nothing. Of course, that's a huge amount of money. [0:51:11, 0:51:15]: But in the realm of things of transportation infrastructure. [0:51:16, 0:51:36]: These are basically fat sidewalks. So if for for the amount of that, wow, the the the impact on that is huge. So to the extent that you can use local money, let's do that and get some stuff rolling. And then where we're stuck, because sometimes splost money is [0:51:35, 0:51:43]: Has to be in a certain project, although Walt Stevens wasn't defined. So we have some flexibility there. [0:51:43, 0:51:51]: Um, we just want to make sure we can get something done. We don't want to have more bureaucracy, more red tape, and more delay for you all. [0:51:51, 0:52:11]: Absolutely. So that's certainly I'm gonna I'm gonna close. Uh so I appreciate you clarifying that. And certainly again if the the the money sum total that you mentioned, certainly we want to be able to use that uh some of it to chase grants uh for the longer term or the the projects that are down the road and then uh for the project. [0:52:11, 0:52:24]: we're working on now, certainly be able to incorporate as many projects as possible. The best thing about that flip and road project is the developer is building it uh to extend it to Walt Stevens for us. [0:52:24, 0:52:40]: Yes, and that's in this this dashed gray line up there. That is we're putting that in the funded because they're already doing that. Because you had the foresight to ask that developer to do that. You ha had an understanding of the value. So that's fantastic. [0:52:40, 0:53:00]: Thank you. Thank you, sir. I would think the one point nine million you refer to as our money to get things stuffed on on Brush Creek would be helpful. And then of course in a couple uh maybe about six, eight weeks from now, we're gonna have a a a retreat anyway. And obviously we'll have further discussions during that particular retreat, I would imagine, on how on the way to go forward and make sure we're properly utilized. [0:53:00, 0:53:07]: Mr. Thomas, great, please. Thank you. [0:53:07, 0:53:10]: I just want to make sure, Miss Malazy, um [0:53:10, 0:53:28]: We we we talk about T Splosh, um, the Curb and Gutter project, those funds are earmarked and those are safe. I just don't want us to get into a com mingling of of the funds, so am am I correct? That is earmark and safe. [0:53:29, 0:53:43]: That's the reason why I was getting into taking a bit of it because if it's your already earmarked, you can't um re allocate it somewhere else unless the priorities have changed. [0:53:43, 0:53:54]: Well, I I I hope not because promises have been made. But let me also just throw this out. Now I've just uh read this today. Um the federal administration [0:53:55, 0:54:15]: That is a freeze on all loans and grants. So, and I don't know for how long. And another another reason to consider local funding, which you have for your Tie Street project. So when we've coordinated and we have, we've had several meetings with Falcon Engineering on Tie Street specifically and in [0:54:15, 0:54:35]: Your neighborhood specifically. I love that neighborhood. I want wonderful things for that neighborhood. You've got money to invest there. We want to make sure that when we're doing it, if the if the difference between a five-foot sidewalk and an eight or nine or ten-foot sidewalk turns a sidewalk that I can't ride a bicycle. [0:54:34, 0:54:37]: [3277.8, 3297.8]: Well let's go ahead and do it. There's the the cost differential once all the stuff is out there, that's a relatively small cost to like bump it out just a little bit more. Bang for the buck, good coordination, bring these pieces together and then use the money appropriately. Yeah, I I think we all advocate for the wider and [0:54:57, 0:55:15]: I I I hear Councilman Alexander already I hear him already saying, Oh yeah, we definitely walked the ten foot. So m Mr. Garner, do you have any insight and we don't know, you know, when Federal put a freeze on loans and grants, we don't really know, but do you have any insight? [0:55:15, 0:55:20]: My understanding of it, it's free started at five o'clock today. [0:55:21, 0:55:41]: And supposed to be re-looked at at February tenth was my understanding of it. Um but yeah. So how how how do you see that freeze affecting uh municipalities as far as some of the projects that we sort of projected in twenty [0:55:40, 0:55:41]: Yeah. [0:55:42, 0:55:52]: And now we're in twenty twenty five and we are now confronted with a whole different administration with freezes and those kind of thing. So what did your crystal ball tell you? [0:55:52, 0:56:02]: for most of our projects, sir, um little to none. Okay. Um you know, d the issue is if if the [0:56:02, 0:56:22]: One of the big grants that we get here, uh, obviously is the transportation monies, but remember we also have our local state match monies that we get. So that doesn't affect those. Um your C D B G, your home, those fundings potentially could get impacted if the county hasn't already drawn down those monies. [0:56:22, 0:56:26]: into their system to pay out for existing programs. [0:56:26, 0:56:27]: They'll cut it off at that point. [0:56:28, 0:56:35]: Right. Um, so the example I gave someone today was if you were a first-time home buyer who was receiving [0:56:35, 0:56:42]: first time assistance through C D B G or Home, but you hadn't drawn they hadn't drawn that money down through the system. [0:56:42, 0:56:49]: you're probably now not gonna get that. So whatever closing you might have had is probably impacted. So you buying your house would be impacted. [0:56:49, 0:57:02]: Right. Um, if you had a water sewer program through C D B G and you hadn't drawn that monies down yet, that monies is now frozen. So that project, if it was later to start within the next day or two or next week [0:57:03, 0:57:14]: or next month might be impacted for the start of that program, that project. So that's the problem that it has. It's a wide sweeping executive order that doesn't really take into account [0:57:15, 0:57:35]: what's out there, uh how it impacts, and who it impacts, because and and I surmise the GMA will probably see something from GMA, ACCG, um, as well as potentially the governor's office, right? You're gonna have some pushback from states, um, mayors, [0:57:35, 0:57:44]: to the both Republican and Democrat that utilize this month these monies to get things happening where you know, as I tell folks, you know, roads, water, sewer don't have a party. [0:57:45, 0:57:46]: They don't. [0:57:46, 0:57:50]: So when you stop funding there, it affects everyone. [0:57:50, 0:57:51]: Um [0:57:52, 0:57:58]: But I wanted to make sure that I I mentioned this too. Um I think Miss Gantt mentioned the tunnel that you see. [0:57:58, 0:57:59]: So [0:58:00, 0:58:02]: Apparently the city had monies to build a tunnel. [0:58:03, 0:58:04]: It was approved by [0:58:05, 0:58:06]: Um f um [0:58:07, 0:58:08]: Norfolk Southern. [0:58:08, 0:58:10]: back in oh eight, oh nine. [0:58:11, 0:58:13]: Um and there was monies. [0:58:13, 0:58:17]: set aside from David Scott office to make that tunnel happen. [0:58:19, 0:58:39]: And I'll leave it there. Um so Whose office? David Scott. Representative Scott. Okay. Um actually earmarked money for I think it was eight or nine hundred thousand that was put towards getting that tunnel built over fift fourteen years ago. And decided it's still a vision. Um [0:58:39, 0:58:48]: Um but I will tell you guys, so one of the things I'm doing to complete is your legislative pocket for NLC. [0:58:50, 0:58:51]: This is on there. [0:58:52, 0:59:04]: So please, please, when you get in that room, please ask for that to come back this way because as she as Eric said, this is a this is a catalytic project right there. [0:59:04, 0:59:06]: To link those two parks. [0:59:07, 0:59:10]: Right? So definitely if it was done before. [0:59:10, 0:59:26]: Obviously we don't have shouldn't have to go back through all the red tape with Norfolk Southern because they've already approved it once. Nothing's changed. The train track's still there. They didn't add another track that would change any of the factors. So you should be able to get the approval from them fairly easy to go back again. [0:59:28, 0:59:47]: Right. Um and and Representative Scott, but as you see as we just heard, we don't know what the landscape politically gonna look like. Um, but I will tell you that a that projects um like this one which is pedestrian, uh, is valued by both sides of the aisle. [0:59:48, 1:00:05]: Right. Yes. And so that's the benefit is pedestrian bridge, especially when you're linking neighborhoods, they're supported by both sides of the aisle. So hopefully, you know, by the time we get to NLC there'll be some more clarity as to what's going on with as it relates to this. Um [1:00:06, 1:00:26]: So we'll see. But as it relates to the impacts right now, um we shouldn't see any impact right now. I mean it's a it's only a few what a week or two week or two, I think, yeah. So if it gets extended beyond that, then I would start we need to start looking at wood all price. [1:00:26, 1:00:41]: projects we have out there. Um specifically the monies that we got from the for to do the infrastructure two years ago, a year ago, that we got from through Senate through Representative Scott's office and the bridge would probably get [1:00:42, 1:00:57]: Halt it. So when you get up there, remember you got a lobby, lobby, lobby. You I'll have your list of all the projects that I think we've already spoken about that we think are important to us will be in that pocket for you guys. So just remind them that, hey, you did it before, do it again. [1:00:58, 1:00:58]: And um [1:00:58, 1:01:11]: Mayor last question. Go ahead, Speaker. Um I was looking through the packet to see if there was another uh citizen engagement meeting. Can you uh confirm [1:01:11, 1:01:31]: There was not. There was one. And this and there was the decision I believe was made, and I don't want to speak too out of hand here, but there had been public engagement prior um with the previous planning efforts. And the I think the idea was they didn't want to go back again on the same topic. They did we went once and [1:01:31, 1:01:36]: You know, but that is that's that was the the rationale there. [1:01:37, 1:01:57]: Thank you. Sir. Go right, please. Look, let me say this and uh thank you again for the work that you've done. And Councilman Thomas, I think certainly you did some public engagement as well. You had multiple um town hall meetings with Falcon Design, which was uh awesome. I attended one of those myself, so thank you for having some additional. [1:01:57, 1:02:17]: additional meetings as far as that's concerned. I just want to point out to my councilmates, there is no district C, there's no district five on here, right? You notice that, right? So I wasn't being selfish with the participation. The focus was on downtown as the downtown development authority liaison, the development was around downtown. [1:02:17, 1:02:25]: We actually could you talk about the coordination a little bit with the the the the proposed trail around the STEM school? [1:02:26, 1:02:30]: Uh yes, so that is let me pull [1:02:32, 1:02:52]: So you have the map up here. So yeah, the idea with the STEM school, out here you've got there's a road, it's Ward Street, I believe, and it used to have a crossing of the railroad, so it served a purpose. When Norfolk Southern and the state of Georgia decided to close some of the railroad [1:02:52, 1:03:03]: crossings on little towns across Georgia, that was one that was closed. It doesn't really have a purpose from a traffic perspective except for school connection. [1:03:04, 1:03:24]: And so as the STEM school is being built and or rebuilt and that that uh space is being recalibrated for schools and entry levels, et cetera, where people are coming in, we see an opportunity to extend that street, convert it to a greenway. It's already paved again. We like those. [1:03:24, 1:03:44]: When you've got a street, it's already paved, ready to go, very low cost, but then extend that. So what we're looking at here is extending that over then to Rock Quarry Road along South Lee Street. And that would be an opportunity for y'all then to, you know, the vision there where we're [1:03:44, 1:04:04]: Where we're creating a future for our kids, and the kids learn to go to school on a bike or they walk with their family, that is a big cultural shift and a real opportunity that Stockbridge has that a lot of other communities don't have. Because they were all built out, all car oriented, and the [1:04:04, 1:04:08]: kids get driven to school every day without fail. This is a chance to change that. [1:04:09, 1:04:29]: Absolutely and certainly the d the graphics on that are amazing. District five, don't get jealous. We got a couple things coming too, and we've been fortunate to have some private developments such as the bridges at Jodico. Uh Patrick Henry Parkway will have trails. Country Club Drive will have trails uh certainly. And the Western Parallel Canal. [1:04:29, 1:04:49]: Connector will have some as well. So even though not indicated, that's that's the direction we're going in, and that'll be another phase and where we're going in the city. And hopefully, as we move forward and we complete Rock Quarry Road widening with the multi-use path from Eagles Landing Parkway down to North. [1:04:49, 1:05:09]: One day you'll be able to take a golf cart, possibly, from the country club and get to downtown, or take your bike and get from get to downtown. So let's continue to push forward and maybe uh show the residents that we're doing the right things with these dollars, and then maybe they'll approve another T-Sponse. [1:05:09, 1:05:15]: flies for us so we can go and get those second and third phases uh done and funded locally. Thank you. [1:05:15, 1:05:35]: In reference to this uh Ward Street connection, taking it uh pathway by the STEM school and onto Rock excuse me, onto yeah, Rock Cory, that means the rail line is gonna be as you go s uh actually going kinda like in a southerly direction basically. And so so the railroad line is to your to the right. [1:05:35, 1:05:55]: Correct. Alright, so somehow there has to be a point that well I'm I'm thinking of going that in that direction, that south direction railroad so a l to you right. So what amounts to I guess there's have to be some type of connection uh to somehow get to that bridge over Rock Cory or connect it to the Rock Cory itself, because the rail line is there, so you're gonna have to [1:05:55, 1:06:05]: kind of cross it some type of way. Okay. You'll have Heritage Trail following that on the [1:06:05, 1:06:25]: Sorry, east side of the railroad. And then on the west side of the railroad will be this um uh the amphitheater trail that we're calling. The amphitheater trail tracks along Ward Street and then cuts off as an independent trail on the south side of that STEM school project over [1:06:25, 1:06:35]: to South Lee Street where then it becomes side path over to Rock Quarter. Gotcha now. Now I got it. Okay. Yeah. Appreciate it. Thank you. No of course. Okay. All right. Any other questions? [1:06:38, 1:06:58]: So otherwise by the timeline and up to this evening, uh you'll be coming back to us on February tenth for a final approval of this process. That's what we're hoping for. If there's any if anybody has any specific questions, please let me know. We'd like to finalize the draft. I'm gonna work with Mr. Aaron and Mr. Gardner to make sure we have all the data accurate. Uh Mr. Allen. [1:06:58, 1:07:18]: Alexander referenced some projects on the south side of the city. We want to make sure that those are that show up on the on the map, because then this becomes official document, and that's an important thing for you all as you are coordinating to Councilmember Thomas's uh point earlier. Then we're coordinating across the departments. [1:07:18, 1:07:26]: And then Councilmember Thomas can say, Oh, that's in the trail plan. So you need to make sure that that is done right. So that's that's the opportunity. [1:07:26, 1:07:27]: Okay. [1:07:28, 1:07:48]: All right. Go ahead, please. I wanted to ask that um community survey, is it still is that link still available for the public to add feedback? No, we no, we we gave it uh we gave it three weeks and then that was during that crazy storm that we had, and so we extended it a few weeks and we pushed it. [1:07:48, 1:08:02]: through community channels at uh with the city hall and with a downtown uh group and I you know we got some responses. I think, you know, not of course you always want more, but uh yeah. [1:08:03, 1:08:04]: All right. [1:08:04, 1:08:11]: If you know the questions at all. Thank you, sir. We look forward to seeing you. Thank you very much. I look forward to seeing you in a couple of weeks. Yes indeed. [1:08:12, 1:08:13]: Okay. [1:08:14, 1:08:34]: What's the next council is a consent agenda item consider the council consider the use of the mural managers conference center on Saturday, March 29th of 2025 for the youth council expo. And uh Mr. Who's presenting this? Mr. Gardner, are you presenting this, sir? Yes, sir. What's the present? All right. Any qu okay [1:08:34, 1:08:38]: Okay. It is consent, that's true. So our input. [1:08:38, 1:08:41]: Go ahead, I'm sorry. I just I'll move to approve it. [1:08:41, 1:08:44]: Okay from Miss Gantt to Miss Barber. All in favorable indicate. [1:08:45, 1:09:05]: All right, so unanimous decision. All right. And then what we have next, believe it or not, announcement of upcoming the meetings and events. Council meetings will be held in the city council chamber. Meeting dates, location, and times are subject to change. Contact City offices at 770-3897900 or visit the website of www.com. [1:09:05, 1:09:25]: The U Council meeting is the first Monday of each month at 6:30 p.m. City Hall Levi Meeting Room, which is February 3rd. Stockbridge Citizens Police Advisory Council meetings first Thursday of each month at 6:30 p.m. the Stockbridge Police Community Room at 45, 45 North Henry Boulevard. [1:09:25, 1:09:45]: February 6th. Our next city council meeting is well city council meeting the second Monday of each month at 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, which is February 10th. The Citywide Development Authority meeting is second Tuesday of each month. The City Hall in the Levi Meeting Room at 6 p.m. on February 11th. The community zoning informational meeting, Thursday, January 10th. [1:09:45, 1:09:48]: Well that's already happened. January second's already [1:09:49, 1:10:08]: Anyway, so 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. at the city council chambers, February 12th is the next community zoning informational meeting. The Main Street Advisory Board meeting on the second Friday of each uh month at 9 a.m. Location with the Downtown Connection Center, 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, which is February 14th. [1:10:08, 1:10:28]: The Downtown Development Authority meeting is third Tuesday of each month at the Downtown Connection Center, 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, which is February 18th. Uh Youth Council Advisory Committee meeting six thirty PM third Tuesday of each month to leave our meeting room. The next one is uh February eighteenth in the city hall. The planning commission meeting the [1:10:28, 1:10:48]: Third Thursday of each month, 6:30 p.m. in the City Hall Council Chambers, February 20th. And a city council work session for the month of uh February. Of course, this is last Tuesday of each month at 6 p.m. in the City Hall Council Chambers, which is actually February 25th. Uh upcoming city events and initiatives. Join uh Council [1:10:48, 1:11:08]: Councilman Barber for the annual prom dress collection and giveaway at Merrill Manters Conference Center, accepting donations of new or gently used prom dresses on Sunday, February 9th and 16th. And a free giveaway of addresses to local teens on Sunday, February 23rd. And since there are more information to follow, join Councilman Thomas. [1:11:08, 1:11:28]: In the monthly Bingo Bash on Wednesday, February 19th from 10 a.m. to 12 noon at the Murray Man's Conference Center. And lots of fun, of course, to be had by all. Join Councilman Alexander for the quarterly town hall, Thursday, February 20th, 7 p.m. And more information to follow on that. I would imagine that'd be the location. Join Councilman Thomas for the annual African-American celebration of [1:11:28, 1:11:48]: On Saturday, February 22nd. The program will be streamlined, I guess, from 5 to 7 p.m. on the city's Facebook page. And join me, Mayor Ford, for the monthly meeting the mayor, February 24th from 10 a.m. to 12 noon, the city hall. And meetings are by appointment. Councilman Thomas will also be honoring veterans with the [1:11:48, 1:12:08]: continue salute to all year long. Please send your pictures of veterans and their names, branch, rank, and years of service. And also join Councilman Thomas with Don't Trash Drop Bridge initiative centered around education highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping. And of course more information to follow about that. Please con Rosalyn Rawls to schedule an appointment to meet the [1:12:08, 1:12:26]: The mayor with more information for or more information on council initiatives is 678-833-3348 or by way of email ralls at stopbridgega.org. This is still January 2025, so please get your flu shots. The winter months are still here. Obviously we had a snow. [1:12:27, 1:12:47]: problems of about a week or so ago, but uh we got through that one. If you haven't had your booster, your covet booster, please do so as well, the current one. Um we d actually we the council myself just uh finished our Cities United summit with GMA just last couple of days and uh down downtown Atlanta and connected with our local other elected officials [1:12:47, 1:13:07]: Around the state as well as our state uh legislators, so that was a very good conference in that aspect. And um today we had a wonderful um ribbon cutting at the bridge of Jodico with uh Hacienda Bar and Grill. Fantastic ribbon cutting event. Wonderful. I would imagine that anybody, any time, go and go to our [1:13:07, 1:13:27]: There and check them out, get some uh good Mexican food and and have fun. Worked out well. We had a great time. Mr. Alexander and I, along with staff members and uh and the actual uh deputy chair of of I guess you call me Robinson is the vice chair of a commission joined us for that as well. And of course, if you are any football fans, [1:13:27, 1:13:38]: uh of course you got a Super Bowl coming up so you know if you like Kansas City root for them. You like Philadelphia Eagles root for them. If you don't like football, huh, you know, I guess enjoy the game anyway. Right. So uh [1:13:38, 1:13:58]: And I I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna put it out there. I'm a Philadelphia Eagle fan right now. So yes, sir. Okay, uh you asked about my town hall. It's gonna be at the Oaks at Eagles Landing um community uh on Pat at 2700 Patrick Henry Park. All right, good deal. Uh be safe, folks, and we want you healthy and strong, so make sure you're gonna be able to do [1:13:58, 1:14:13]: sure you take care of yourself uh health wise and for that note that I don't know of any executive session issues so I need a motion to end our meeting. So move. I say for Mr. Alexander and Ms. Ken all in fair please indicate. So you have to see and God bless you all. Good night. [1:14:16, 1:14:16]: Yes. 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--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2025-01-13 source: 2025-01-13_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:00:54, 0:01:14]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are now live and so we'll get started on a ceremonial portion. Uh welcome to our first uh official meeting of uh FY 2025. And the first meeting of every year happens in Tennessee to be a lot of ceremonial aspects and swearing in of of new individuals that have been approved by the council to serve in the city. [0:01:14, 0:01:16]: And sir, you are first, okay? [0:01:18, 0:01:25]: So this deals with the Henry County Transportation Advisory Group, oath of office now. Uh no, good to see you as well. So we're [0:01:25, 0:01:28]: Crest is right there, so if you don't mind, raise your right hand. [0:01:28, 0:01:48]: And repeat after me, I and state your name. I Neil Gonzalez. Do you solemnly swear and affirm? Do solemnly swear and affirm. That will faithfully performed. I will faithfully performed. The duties of the Henry County Transportation Advisory Group. The duties of the Henry County Transportation Advisory Group. The d the duties of the transportation Henry County. Henry County Transportation Advisory. There you go. [0:01:48, 0:02:08]: Group as a representative as a representative for the city of Stockbridge for the city of Stockbridge and that I will to the best of my ability to the best of my abilities support and defend the charter thereof as well as the constitution as well as the constitution and the laws of the state of Georgia United States of America [0:02:08, 0:02:16]: Affirm that upon assumption of this office. Upon assumption of the office. I do not hold any unaccountable public money. [0:02:16, 0:02:18]: in the owner of current public money. [0:02:18, 0:02:27]: Due and payable to the state. Do and payable to the state. Any political subdivision of the state. Any political subdivision of the state. The city of Stockbridge. The city of Stockbridge. Or any authority thereof. [0:02:28, 0:02:29]: Does he talk about any authority thereof? [0:02:30, 0:02:32]: Nor do I hold nor do I hold any other office. [0:02:33, 0:02:53]: No do we hold any other office? Of trust. Of trust. Of the government. Of the government. Of the United States. Of the United States. Of this state. Of this state. Or any foreign state. Or any foreign state as prescribed. As prescribed. By the law. By the law of the state of Georgia. State of Georgia. I will perform the duties of my office. Perform the duties of my office. In the best interest of the city of State. [0:02:53, 0:03:06]: Stockbridge to the best of my ability without fear. Without fear favor affection, reward reward or expectation thereof. Or expectation thereof. And it's the thirteenth day of January 2025. [0:03:07, 0:03:12]: Congratulations, sir. Thank you, sir. Okay, so y she wants to there's a mic in the way, I guess. [0:03:15, 0:03:18]: Thank you. Okay, so we need to sign this. [0:03:18, 0:03:19]: And uh [0:03:20, 0:03:32]: And actually uh Emil, I don't know if you wanna you know the floor is yours also if you wanna say anything in reference to your renewal of your position to serve the city of Stump Bridge. [0:03:32, 0:03:35]: Thank you for the opportunity. I look forward to working with each and everyone. [0:03:35, 0:03:36]: All right. [0:03:38, 0:03:45]: Okay, so yeah, two copies right here, and you you sign there and uh the one right below there. [0:03:56, 0:04:00]: Okay, thank you. [0:04:02, 0:04:15]: Yes. And so we're gonna do the Citizens Police Advisory Council, Mr. Banks, World Traveler, Mr. Banks, please. And uh I guess just him by himself. That's it sir. Yeah, thank you. [0:04:17, 0:04:37]: So next time you go hobnobbing around the world, let us all know. So come come and join you. Go hobnob around. It was fun though. I bet. I bet you had a good time. Yes it is. All right, sir. If you don't mind, raise your right hand. Uh-huh. Repeat after me. I state your name. I, Nathan Banks. A board member. Do Solomon Swear in the Firm. Do sol [0:04:37, 0:04:57]: Solomon swear and affirm. That I will faithfully perform. That I will faithfully perform. The duties of the Citizen Police Advisory Council. The duty of the police advisory council. Citizen Police Advisory Council. Citizen Police Advisory Council. Of the City of Stockbridge. Of the City of Stockbridge. And that I will? That I will. To the best of my ability. To the best of my ability. Support and defend. Support and [0:04:57, 0:05:17]: The charter thereof. The charter thereof. As well as the constitution. As well as constitution. And the laws of the state of Georgia. Of the laws of the state of Georgia. And the United States of America. And the United States of America. I further affirm that. I further affirm that. Upon assumption of this office. Upon assumption of this office. I do not hold any. I do not hold any. Unaccounted for public money. And accountant for public money. [0:05:17, 0:05:37]: Do unpayable to the state, any political subdivision of the state, the city of Stockbridge, or any authority thereof, nor do I, nor do I, hold any other office of trust, hold any office of trust of the government, of the United States, of this state, of this state, or any foreign state of any foreign state as prescribed. [0:05:37, 0:05:49]: I spectral. By the law of the law. Of the state of Georgia. Of the state of Georgia. I have not been convicted. I have not been convicted. Of any felonies. Of any felonies. Involving moral turpitude. Of moral turpitude. [0:05:49, 0:06:09]: In this state, in this state, or any other state. In any other state. I perform the duties of my office to the best interests of the city of Stockbridge. And to the best of my ability. To the best of my ability. Without fear, without favor, favor. Affection. Affection. Reward. Or expectation thereof. This is the thirteen day of January twenty. [0:06:09, 0:06:17]: 2025. Congratulations, sir. Thank you, sir. Okay. Appreciate it. Sir, the floor is yours if you want. No one's good. Oh, sorry. Mm-hmm. Hands up. Okay. [0:06:19, 0:06:20]: All right. [0:06:21, 0:06:27]: Any any words of wisdom, sir, that you uh wanna keep it going. Twenty twenty five. Twenty twenty five. All right. Mm-hmm. All right. [0:06:32, 0:06:35]: Okay, sir, you have here and there. Okay. [0:06:43, 0:07:03]: All right. So uh Vanessa, you need I just leave these right here for you or okay. That is it, sir. This is my pen. Okay, I'm sorry, you can have you can you can have uh you can have the pen. Okay. No I no he's got he's got he's got a so let's do here. [0:07:02, 0:07:08]: Stanley's here. Uh Jaden's here. Tromica. [0:07:10, 0:07:12]: Sir Ms. What uh [0:07:13, 0:07:14]: Wallet? [0:07:14, 0:07:15]: Walking down. [0:07:16, 0:07:19]: Okay, let's let's let's hold off for just a second. So we'll [0:07:20, 0:07:25]: Okay, so let's do okay. [0:07:26, 0:07:36]: Valerie. Okay, yeah, okay. So the youth council value. So okay, Valerie's here. Dr. Thomas Smith is here. All right. Miss Nash? [0:07:38, 0:07:48]: Okay. Ms. uh coins? Yes. Okay. And Miss Carter. Yes. [0:07:49, 0:07:57]: Okay, all right. All right, so let's let's uh let's start with the uh let's go with the uh youth council advisory committee members. Oh you come on up [0:07:58, 0:07:59]: Yes, there's no question. [0:08:06, 0:08:09]: Can you all you stand right here, please, in this area? [0:08:12, 0:08:32]: You can fa face me. If you can face me. And when we'll make sure we have the the crest of the city right there. All right. So you've seen a couple of this happen a couple times already, so raise your right hand and I'll try to take the small little snippets and I need you for I. I state your name. Committee member. Committee member. Do you solemnly swear and affirm? Do solemnly swear and affirm. [0:08:32, 0:08:52]: That I will faithfully perform. That I will faithfully perform. The duties of the youth council advisory committee. The duties of the youth council advisory committee. Of the city of Stockbridge. Of the city of Stockbridge. And that I will to the best of my ability. To the best of my ability. Support and defend. Support and defend the charter thereof. The charter thereof. As well as a consequence. [0:08:52, 0:09:12]: As well as the Constitution and laws of the state of Georgia and laws of the State of Georgia and the United States of America and the United States of America. I further affirm that. I further affirm that upon assumption of this office, I do not hold any unaccounted for public money. Any unaccounted for public money do unpayable [0:09:12, 0:09:32]: To the state, doing payable to the state. Any political subdivision of the state. Any political subdivision of the state. The city of Stockbridge. The city of Stockbridge. Or any authority thereof. Nor do I hold, nor do I hold any other office of trust of trust of the government of the United States. Of the government of the United States. [0:09:32, 0:09:52]: Of this state of this state or any foreign state or any foreign state as prescribed as prescribed by the law of the state of Georgia. By the laws of the state of Georgia. I will perform the duties of my office in the best interest of the city of Stockbridge in the best of my ability without fear. [0:09:52, 0:10:08]: Without fear. Favor. Favor. Affection. Affection. Reward expectation. Reward expectation. Thereof. Thereof. That's the 13th day of January 2025. Congratulations. Okay. So okay, we got several signatures here. [0:10:09, 0:10:20]: Everybody's gonna sign at least two. I'm gonna sign them all. Congratulations to everybody. And and and after leave anybody can uh go ahead and start if you have any comments that you wanna [0:10:21, 0:10:30]: make in reference to your assignment here? My only comment is stockbridge where community connects. [0:10:31, 0:10:39]: The only that's me to do all the top. Yes, sir. Yeah, we can do that, sure. [0:10:40, 0:10:43]: Anybody else want to take the floor and say anything at all? [0:10:44, 0:10:55]: It is yours. I continue serving in this role. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Let's see how many times have I done this? I am the longest standing. [0:10:55, 0:11:00]: Members started and continued to serve as U count survivors. [0:11:03, 0:11:05]: Do you put you away with me? [0:11:08, 0:11:10]: Anybody else? [0:11:11, 0:11:22]: Yeah, you all need to sign these as well. Yeah, two everybody has two to sign. And we're gonna take a group picture. Okay, so I got part of it. [0:11:23, 0:11:33]: But here's here this Miss Boynes is right here. And here we go, Dr. Snap. [0:11:38, 0:11:42]: Well congratulations once again. All right. [0:11:44, 0:11:47]: Watching after our our youth there. [0:11:49, 0:11:51]: Yes. [0:11:59, 0:12:06]: So you're the longest standing I'm the longest standing youth disaster. From start [0:12:07, 0:12:09]: From the very beginning. [0:12:20, 0:12:20]: Okay. [0:12:21, 0:12:23]: [744.7, 745.4]: Yeah. [0:12:40, 0:12:41]: Okay. [0:12:41, 0:12:44]: Everybody come on down this way. We're gonna take a picture right in this general facility. [0:12:45, 0:12:46]: All right. I'm gonna put it right here. [0:12:47, 0:12:48]: Into [0:12:48, 0:12:50]: Come on in there. [0:12:50, 0:12:57]: You know what, let me get on the chair. [0:12:58, 0:13:01]: So you don't want to shoot it, but we're coming off our stage. [0:13:15, 0:13:22]: Congratulations. Thank you once again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [0:13:23, 0:13:34]: So what we have next would be the okay would be the planning commission, so Mr. Julius, uh Williams, and Ms. Walker. Why don't you come on up? [0:13:35, 0:13:35]: Yeah. [0:13:39, 0:13:59]: Yeah you do find fine sort of budget? All right, so all right. Right over on this side here. How you doing? Good. So you're looking for someone to give you a camera to? Yeah. Yeah, that's it. How you doing? Okay. No, I was uh talking uh Mr. Schmidt, I used to. Okay. [0:13:59, 0:14:10]: Okay, good deal. So while we uh I want you to face me, but won't since you're all only why don't you put put her in the middle. Put her in the middle. Face me and raise your right hand. Okay, yeah. Okay, do you yeah, you can put that down if you like. [0:14:21, 0:14:26]: I know. Okay. Raise your right hand. Okay. I'll take a little snippets there. So I state your name. [0:14:27, 0:14:47]: I stand Ludomus. Do solemnly swear and affirm. Do solemnly swear and affirm. That I will faithfully perform. That I will faithfully perform. The duties as a member of the City of Stockbridge Planning Commission. As a member of the City of Stockbridge Planning Commission. And that I will to the best of my ability. Support and defend. [0:14:47, 0:15:07]: Support and defend the charter thereof as well as the constitution as well as the constitution and the laws of the state of Georgia of the State of Georgia and the United States of America and the United States of America. I further affirm that. I further affirm that upon assumption of this office, upon assumption of this office, I do not hold any unaccounted for public money. [0:15:07, 0:15:27]: Money in a hunt accountable public money. Do unpayable to the state. Do unpayable to the state. In a political subdivision of the state. In a political subdivision of the state. The city of Stockbridge. The city of Stockbridge. Or any authority thereof. Nor do I hold any other office of trust. Of the government. Of the government of the United States. [0:15:27, 0:15:47]: Of this state of this state or any foreign state or in the forest as prescribed as prescribed by the law of the state of Georgia. I will perform the duties of my office in the best interest of the city of Stockbridge and to the best of my ability without fear, without favor. [0:15:46, 0:15:55]: Favor. Affection. Affection. Reward or expectation thereof. Reward or expectation thereof. And it's thirteen day of January 2025. [0:15:57, 0:16:10]: Congratulations. Congratulations. All right. So we sign we'll sign off with this. Listen to each. Once again, the floor is yours. One at a time, please. [0:16:11, 0:16:17]: I'd just like to say to the mayor and the city council, I appreciate the opportunity to serve again. [0:16:18, 0:16:21]: I think that means that you were happy with service so far. [0:16:22, 0:16:23]: And I thank you for that. [0:16:24, 0:16:33]: I also like to welcome back Mr. Williams to the Commission and our newest member, Miss Tamika Walker. Thank you very much. [0:16:35, 0:16:37]: Anybody else? Go ahead, please. [0:16:38, 0:16:58]: First and foremost, I would like to thank my friends and family for coming out. Um it was it turned out bigger than what I actually planned it to be. So I'm thankful that everybody took the time out to come out and support me. I also thank Mr. Uh Commissioner Elton Alexander for nominating me to this position. [0:16:58, 0:17:10]: So uh I promise to do you will. And thank you, Mr. Mayor for for swearing me in. Uh that's it. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. [0:17:13, 0:17:14]: Yeah, but [0:17:14, 0:17:18]: I'm just excited to continue to do the work, so let's work stock bridge. [0:17:18, 0:17:19]: Mm-hmm. [0:17:21, 0:17:24]: That's yours is over here. Is it right dead? [0:17:25, 0:17:31]: I'll come around this. Oh yeah, I'll have a tendency to do that. [0:17:47, 0:17:56]: Okay, we're gonna take a photo of myself here, yeah. Couple hours out with all you all. So right up right over here. Let's do this, uh [0:17:56, 0:18:01]: [1082.2, 1087.2]: I want to be on the end. I want the only end. Alright. [0:18:07, 0:18:08]: Right. [0:18:13, 0:18:15]: [1106.5, 1109.6]: This location of the city is that we're right. [0:18:39, 0:18:54]: Congratulations. Congratulations to everybody. Okay. All right. Congratulations to you. Okay. All right. And this is uh this is yours. Well thank you. All right, good deal. All right. The last uh thing I have is a proclamation. [0:18:54, 0:19:03]: Please sit down if you like. You know, I would imagine you all realize that Stockbridge is an ancestral home to the King family. [0:19:03, 0:19:23]: I'm I'm assuming that you all knew that. Alright? So it is well, it's actually very appropriate anyway, regardless of what city you're in, to do a proclamation to honor Martin Luther King uh Jr. Day. And Wednesday is actually his birthday, but Monday, one week from the day is the actual uh holida national holiday. So on that [0:19:23, 0:19:43]: That note we have a proclamation to uh honor uh Martin Luther King Jr. And we spell especially special tribute, I guess, since uh Starburby's is the ancestral Homer King family. And I have Alvin Brother is pretty special about that too, that he happens to be my fraternity brother, Alpha Fraternity Incorporated. [0:19:43, 0:19:45]: So yes, ma'am. [0:19:45, 0:19:48]: You can't hear me? Oh, the mic's over there. [0:19:48, 0:20:03]: All right, well anyway. So let me let's let me read this and uh I'm joined by Councilman Alexander here. Martin Luther King Junior Day. Whereas Martin Luther King Jr. was born Michael Luther King Junior at noon on Tuesday, January fifteenth, nineteen twenty nine. [0:20:03, 0:20:09]: and his family home in Atlanta, Georgia, to the parents of Martin Luther King Senior and Alberta Williams King. [0:20:09, 0:20:11]: natives of the great city of Stockbridge. [0:20:12, 0:20:14]: He would later be changed his name to Martin. [0:20:14, 0:20:31]: And whereas Martin Luther attended segregated public schools in Georgia, graduating from high school at the age of fifteen and graduating in nineteen forty eight from Morehouse College and enrolled in graduate studies at Boston University, receiving his degree in nineteen fifty-five. In Boston, he met and married Coretta Scott. [0:20:32, 0:20:38]: Two s have two sons, Martin and Dexter, and two daughters, Yolanda and Bernice, were born into the family. [0:20:38, 0:20:43]: Whereas Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. devoted his life to the advancement of civil rights and public service. [0:20:43, 0:20:52]: He believed in a nation of freedom and justice for all and challenged all citizens to help build a more perfect union and to live up to the purpose of and potential of America. [0:20:53, 0:21:13]: Whereas at the age of 35, Martin Luther King Jr. was the youngest man to have received a Nobel Peace Prize in 1964. Whereas President Ronald Reagan signed the Martin Luther King Jr. Federal Holiday into law in 1983, and it was first observed three years later on January 20, 1986. Whereas on August 23rd, 1986, [0:21:13, 0:21:33]: 1994, the King Holiday and Service Act was signed into law by President Bill Clinton. Inspired by King's life of service, Congressman John Lewis and former Senator Harris Woolford proposed a legislation to encourage Americans to find common causes and methods of improving their communities. Now, therefore, I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtual authority, vesting me. [0:21:33, 0:21:41]: As the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia. Now, on behalf of City Council members Elton, Alexander Yolanda, Barber Kyle, Berry, the Kesie Gannon, Afonso Thomas, do proclaim. [0:21:41, 0:21:46]: January fifteenth, twenty twenty five is Martin Luther King Junior Day in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:21:46, 0:22:00]: Your witness thereof I have here undo set my hand and great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the thirteenth day of January, year of our Lord, two thousand and twenty-five. And I signed a proclamation along with our clerk for Nessa Holly. Here you go, ladies and gentlemen. [0:22:01, 0:22:01]: Thank you. [0:22:03, 0:22:15]: So you know what? Well this uh oh uh Mr. Dumas, don't need to leave Jesse. Stand by one second, please. Take take take the sheep sound. Don't write right. Okay. [0:22:20, 0:22:22]: Okay, so hold on a second. Now folks. [0:22:22, 0:22:27]: I want everybody to come up join me. I want to take a picture with everybody here in reference to Prophet Micks. Come on up. Everybody, come on. [0:22:28, 0:22:32]: Come on up, you g if you can walk, come on. You can walk. Come on, let's just take a group pitch here. All right. [0:22:33, 0:22:35]: Why are the words coming up I said? [0:22:35, 0:22:36]: I think I call it. [0:22:37, 0:22:40]: Yes, as uh as the mayor calls everybody up. [0:22:40, 0:22:44]: We have a na a national day of service project. We've done it every year. [0:22:45, 0:22:49]: Uh we're gonna meet on Jodoko Road. Um uh Jodico Road in front of the new Costco. [0:22:50, 0:23:03]: And we're gonna make sure that we show pride in our community. So if you're looking to do a service day uh over the weekend, we're gonna do a service day right here in Stockbridge on Jodeco Road, Saturday morning at the Costco. [0:23:04, 0:23:12]: So I encourage everybody out there to join us and I encourage everybody up here to join us too. Okay. Come on down. Come on down. Come on down. [0:23:13, 0:23:20]: Sure, we it's kinda double up here. Come on down, folks. We got we got get you on this side. We can't mu [0:23:20, 0:23:40]: Come on down. Come on, please. Come on, you're too far down. Come on. Come on this way, please. You can sit you can stand at the back. You can stand at the back. Stand behind me. Come on. Stand stand behind. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. [0:23:40, 0:23:43]: Oh I block everybody in the front. [0:23:43, 0:24:00]: No, no, no. Okay, so hold this. [0:24:00, 0:24:06]: Yeah, the young ones. Okay. Is that bag in away? No. Okay. All right. [0:24:14, 0:24:15]: Yeah, uh yeah. [0:24:20, 0:24:24]: [1465.0, 1465.8]: [0:24:27, 0:24:28]: This way I'm going to read here. [0:24:54, 0:24:58]: We would say stop respect to be making this. [0:24:59, 0:25:00]: And everybody does. [0:25:01, 0:25:02]: Mm-hmm. [0:25:05, 0:25:09]: Math of the camera's picking you up all three. One, two. [0:25:09, 0:25:16]: Tharbury is the ancestral King family and happy Martin Luther King Sr. Excuse me Junior holiday. [0:25:17, 0:25:37]: Well we're starting. Oh, starting to go. Okay. Hey take two. Take two. Okay. I think Mary Walt was speaking at Kelvin Alexander. At the end everyone clapped and cheered. Okay? How about everybody saying we're community connect instead of just coming in? [0:25:37, 0:25:52]: And then you say stop bridge is where community connects. So let's practice that. Oh three. Okay. Okay. [0:25:52, 0:25:56]: Stockbridge is where community connects. That sounds good. [0:25:57, 0:25:58]: All right, take two. [0:25:59, 0:26:00]: We have four. [0:26:02, 0:26:12]: Stockbridge is the ancestral home of King Fabric. I'm sorry, what happened? Yeah, sorry. Okay. Okay, take three. [0:26:13, 0:26:14]: Bracking camera. [0:26:16, 0:26:25]: Stockbridge is ancestral in the King family. Have a very happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Stockbridge is where we connects. [0:26:30, 0:26:34]: Three takes, two takes, three takes. [0:26:34, 0:26:54]: I'm gonna gallery rich movies. I've been on the um oh I can know that. Okay, so uh okay. [0:26:54, 0:27:07]: No, I mean you know I would have a catch-up. [0:27:07, 0:27:18]: [1638.9, 1658.0]: All right, good job. Okay, so if you you need to take T hold on C your subject. Yeah, sounds good. All right, good. Well Nelson, we gotta give you all one too. A proclamation. Absolutely. [0:27:38, 0:27:41]: What happened to him property, man? You know how they do. [0:27:42, 0:27:56]: Congratulations. Yeah, no, hey, same, same way, same way. Congratulations. Thank you for serving. Absolutely. No problem. Okay. [0:27:57, 0:28:17]: LK. District five retroces. We're gonna replay. [0:28:17, 0:28:25]: [1705.0, 1722.1]: Well good, I'll just do the same. Right. [0:28:42, 0:28:45]: [1726.2, 1731.3]: [0:30:08, 0:30:11]: Oh, yeah. [0:30:21, 0:30:23]: All right, I'm trying to turn this on down. [0:30:25, 0:30:34]: He said we're ready to go earlier. Yeah, you told me earlier we're ready to go. I wanna make sure with you to make sure you're good there. Check it in. [0:30:37, 0:30:39]: Yeah for you. [0:30:39, 0:30:45]: Yeah, yeah. [0:30:48, 0:31:06]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, uh we um gonna start our meeting, our first meeting of the of FY twenty twenty five, uh bridge council meeting, July excuse me, January thirteenth. I have uh six oh four actually. Follow me in order. Please stand for the invocation. [0:31:09, 0:31:11]: And I'll do this this evening. [0:31:11, 0:31:31]: Well, thank you to bring us together once again to do the city's business. Allow us to kick off our twenty twenty-five fiscal year on a great note as we continue to do what is best for our citizenry. Be this always, Lord, to have good logical discussions to make good decisions for the betterment of our community. Be it us always, Lord, in your name. Amen. All right, praise allegiance. [0:31:31, 0:31:42]: Pledge allegiance to Clement Prime, the United States of America, and to Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible of liberty and justice for all. [0:31:43, 0:31:44]: Madam Clerk Raw Call, please. [0:31:48, 0:31:50]: I'm sorry. I'm sorry, before roll call, I'm sorry. [0:31:51, 0:31:55]: What we have here is a public hearing announcement. The following items will not be presented. [0:31:55, 0:31:58]: NSK in AX two zero two four dash zero three. [0:31:59, 0:32:18]: Comprehensive plan amendment case CP two zero two four dash one one and rezoning case RZ two zero two four dash uh twelve. Um additional information uh has to come forward on that's my understanding, so it won't be heard tonight. I'm not sure exactly when do we plan to Mr. Gardner or [0:32:18, 0:32:20]: Ryan, do you have an idea when we plan to bring us back? [0:32:21, 0:32:28]: February? Sometime next month. Okay, February it is. All right, now madam clerk, I'm sorry. [0:32:29, 0:32:32]: It's is I'm sorry. [0:32:32, 0:32:47]: You just mentioned. Yeah, it's um what item uh Brian, could you come to the mic, please? I just want to know which agenda items I could mark it out. Well it's only the it's a public hearing announcement. Okay. Public hearing announcement that says right below it was right between right after the Pledge of Allegiance before the roll call is what I was referring to. [0:32:48, 0:32:56]: And you said Ryan it'd be February before they come back for first meeting in February, yes sir. Okay. Mr. Thomas, are you good now? Yes. [0:32:59, 0:33:00]: Okay. [0:33:01, 0:33:05]: On that thank you, Ryan. Mr. Anson, appreciate it. On that uh roll call please, Madam Clerk. [0:33:06, 0:33:09]: Good evening, everyone. Evening. Mayor Ford. Present. [0:33:11, 0:33:12]: Mayor Pro Tem Berry. [0:33:15, 0:33:25]: Mayor Pro Timberry is not in attendance. Councilmember Alexander. Present. Councilmember Barber. Present. Councilmember Gantt. Present. Councilmember Thomas. Present. [0:33:26, 0:33:29]: Mayor Ford, you have a call. Thank you, Madam Clerk. I appreciate it. [0:33:30, 0:33:50]: Council, um there was a m email message from our attorney in reference to making a request to have our executive session earlier in tonight's agenda to cover a particular issue. So I if that's the case, I'd like to uh ask for a um amendment to to agenda to or excuse me a change of the agenda per se. [0:33:50, 0:33:56]: to have that executive session, if you foresee it, after our consent agenda this evening. [0:33:57, 0:33:58]: Is there a motion to do that, please? [0:33:59, 0:34:00]: Mayor Ford. Yes, Mayor. [0:34:01, 0:34:07]: Um so moved to um have the executive session for [0:34:08, 0:34:21]: Legal personnel and real estate matter. Legal personnel I'm sorry. For um litigation, personnel and real estate matters right after the consent agenda. Consent consent on the agenda. [0:34:21, 0:34:41]: Is there a second that motion? Okay, Mr. Uh Alexander second. All in favor, please indicate? Okay, unanimous decision. Now, Council, I need a motion to accept the rest of the agenda as is, please. So moved. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Tom Mr. Alexander, second that from Ms. Canton, Mr. Alexander. All in favor, please indicate. Thank you very much. Okay. All right. Um [0:34:41, 0:34:56]: So what we have is adoption of the minutes, adoption of December 9th, the 2024 council meeting minutes and December 17 December 17th Council Works session minutes. If there are no changes or additions to that minutes, I need a motion to accept those into the record, please. [0:34:57, 0:35:01]: Mayor Poert. Yes, ma'am. The uh January eighth retreat minutes were also asked. [0:35:02, 0:35:03]: I'm sorry. [0:35:03, 0:35:10]: Yeah. And also I'm sorry, there you go. Uh January eighth uh the [0:35:10, 0:35:28]: actual retreat minutes and everybody should have a copy of that as well to be added for the for approval process. So move okay uh uh uh a repro approve of those minutes in regards to the people who were not here for the retreat, certainly I'm sure they may abstain. [0:35:30, 0:35:35]: Okay. Wow. Okay. Uh on that note, is there a second to the motion? [0:35:36, 0:35:39]: A second. Okay, Mr. Thomas second that all in favor, please indicate. [0:35:40, 0:35:42]: I abstain. Okay. I wasn't present. [0:35:42, 0:35:48]: All right, uh so now that's that's to pro some uh propose a little bit of problem because if we have [0:35:49, 0:36:07]: two abstentions and two yays and I can't vote for that so so we're probably gonna have to take the um the ret the at least the uh January eighth retreat maybe off the motion and read and do this with the other two and maybe have the the retreat at a different time or make sure that uh it's confirmed. [0:36:07, 0:36:17]: Okay, re uh rescind the motion uh to approve the admission the mo the minutes mentioned excluding the January eighth minutes for approval. [0:36:19, 0:36:23]: Okay, is there a second to that motion? I second. Ms. Gantt, Ms. Gantt, you second all favor, please indicate. [0:36:24, 0:36:26]: Okay, so now it's a decision on that point. Thank you very much. [0:36:27, 0:36:47]: Uh, Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments at all? There are no public comments, Mayor. Okay, thank you. As typically for our uh our regular council meetings, we have, of course, a ceremonial piece. And uh obviously being the first meeting of the year, we have several different ceremonial swearing ins and ceremonial issues. Uh we also did a proclam, we did a proclamation, of course. [0:36:47, 0:36:57]: for Martin Luther King Jr. Day and uh great always to do that to a great uh photograph with everybody was here in reference to that. Of course Starbury's the ancestral home of the King family. [0:36:58, 0:37:18]: As we did that, we did swearing in of board members, board of committee members, and Stockbridge Citizens Police Advisory Council. Mr. Nathan, Nathan Banks was sworn in, zone two representative. The Planning Commission, Zone Planning Commission there, in the sense of uh swearing in. Stanley Dumas, District One, Jaden Williams, District Two, and Tamika Walker. [0:37:17, 0:37:20]: District 5 was sworn in. [0:37:20, 0:37:40]: Stockbridge Youth Council Advisory Committee sworn in. Jet Clint, Miss Carter. I'm gonna mess up her first name, right? Ms. Carter. Tariqa Goynes, uh Caitlyn Nash, Valerie Simpson Reese, and Dr. Thomas Smith were all sworn in. And then the Henry County Transportation Advisory Representative for Stockbridge. [0:37:40, 0:37:55]: Bridge um Inel Gonzalez was also sworn in during that uh uh ceremonial peace. All right, and so what we have next would be uh the consent agenda and um [0:37:55, 0:38:15]: On the consent agenda, we have a consideration to uh appoint Alicia Gambles to the Stockbridge Youth Council Advisory Committee for a two-year term, which will expire on twelve uh December thirty-first of twenty twenty-six. Also, council consideration to appoint uh Georgia McGuire, McIntyre, I'm sorry, to Stabridge [0:38:15, 0:38:35]: Youth Council Advisory Committee for a two-year term once again December 31st, 2026, and council consideration to appoint Candace L. Jones to the Stockbridge Youth Council Advisory Committee meeting to fill an unexpired term through December 31st, 2025. That's on the consent of gentlemen. Do I have a motion to assess? [0:38:35, 0:38:38]: Accept that please. So moved. Is there a second? [0:38:39, 0:38:48]: Okay, from Miss Gantt to Mr. Thomas. All fair, please indicate. Okay. On that note now I need a motion to go into executive session, please. [0:38:49, 0:38:51]: I already made the motion. We approved that one, Mayor. [0:38:52, 0:39:05]: Okay. Well we're after okay, we're gonna go into Zecko session at this point, then it's after the consent agenda, so we'll be back. Let's go into Zecco session and and handle our our noted business. Thank you. [0:39:23, 0:39:24]: Is this for [0:39:26, 0:39:30]: Okay. All right, Council, I need a motion to end our executive session, please. [0:39:31, 0:39:42]: So moved. Is there a second? Ms. Ms. Alexander, second then. All in favor, please indicate. All right. All right. Thank you very much for unanimous in that aspect. Now I need a motion to uh reconvene our council meeting, please. So moved. [0:39:43, 0:40:03]: Okay. Miss uh Barber second down all favor please indicate. Thank you very much. And ladies and gentlemen from our segregation session, there's nothing in the sense that we report to you publicly. Uh just wanna let you know that. So we'll move on with our council meeting. And uh we have next is old business, special use permit case sp2024-02. [0:40:03, 0:40:23]: Located in Council District 4 to be considered the board vote only since the public hearing was already held in November 12, 2024. Council consideration of a special use permit request to allow the liquor store on the property 106 Rock Croix Road. Applicant is GRPLLC agent. [0:40:22, 0:40:36]: Uh Mr. Patel. Trying to pronounce your first name as a Humdinger, right? The property is located in Land Lot 62 of District 12, and it contains 0.89 acres. Mr. Anderson, please. [0:40:36, 0:40:42]: Yes, uh this is a continuation of the case that was held in November uh twenty twenty-four. Um [0:40:44, 0:40:46]: The presentation was made in um [0:40:47, 0:40:53]: Towards the end of the presentation and after all the the facts were presented, it was found that the um [0:40:54, 0:40:57]: It was determined that the applicant had code violations that were [0:40:57, 0:40:59]: In the city of Stockbridge Court. [0:40:59, 0:41:11]: Uh we have since got evidence that uh um all those issues have been resolved with the court and the applicant is uh clear to move forward with a special use permit application. [0:41:12, 0:41:26]: And your recommendation, sir, is to Uh the recommendation is still the same from um November twenty twenty four. Uh staff recommends approval. The applicant meets all the requirements of a special use permit according to the City of Stockbridge Unified Development Code. [0:41:26, 0:41:29]: All right, council, any questions that you have for Mr. Anderson? [0:41:30, 0:41:35]: And or if not, is there a motion to approve um this to go forward? [0:41:39, 0:41:41]: Since this is in in my district. [0:41:42, 0:41:49]: I don't support it. I'm going to ask to oppose. That's my motion. Oppose it. Is there a second to that motion? [0:41:51, 0:41:53]: Is there a second to the motion? Certain. [0:41:54, 0:42:12]: Uh the motion has been passed. Uh excuse me, motion has been seconded, excuse me. Excuse me. From Miss uh Barber to Mr uh Mr. Alexander. All right, motion's been made. All right, Ryan, must go ahead please. Uh I would say the applicant wishes to speak [0:42:13, 0:42:13]: All right. [0:42:14, 0:42:16]: Fine. Applicant, come forward and speak, please. [0:42:24, 0:42:38]: No, not a vote yet, but I've I probably should have gave them opportunity to speak prior to taking the motion. I didn't do that. So the motion's still on the floor. The motion's still on the floor. She's speaking on time. It's like just through further discussion. Go ahead, please. [0:42:39, 0:42:48]: Good uh good evening. I'm Lisa Morshauer. I'm an attorney with the law firm of Burman Fink Ban Horn, and I represent Mr. Patel and um the applic the applicant for this. [0:42:48, 0:43:05]: application. Um this is an application that is has been brought forward to you because you voted to allow it to come forward. You had a lottery um because your code says that it once you hit a certain population in size, you have to have um you add another [0:43:05, 0:43:25]: license per certain number of population. And you hit the number and you were able to add two more, you were required to add two more license opportunities to applicants. So this is not something that my client just came up with and said, hey, I want to just come in. It's something that your city council voted to do. [0:43:25, 0:43:45]: And it's because your code mandates that you have it that you allow for the opportunity. So you had very strict criteria about what the application had to include and what kind of application it had to be, where the locations had to be, specifically on Jodica Road and on Rock Quarry Road. [0:43:45, 0:43:48]: Those were the only two locations that an applicant could use. [0:43:49, 0:43:52]: Фортін, а болив, фортін, аплікації сворідфорд. [0:43:52, 0:44:03]: And only two of those applications met the criteria. My client, mister Patel's application, was one of those that met the criteria. It absolutely meets all the criteria to get this. [0:44:04, 0:44:24]: SUP and and get the license. But in order to get the alcohol license, the city code does require that you get a special use permit. So that is why he's standing in front of you right now. He's here, he's back here if you want to speak with him. But he is here because the code does require a special use permit application. [0:44:23, 0:44:32]: I know that you do have discretion in issuing it, but I want I I ask that you consider the fact that the council voted to allow for two new licenses. [0:44:32, 0:44:43]: And this location is a great location. It's on um Rock Quarry Road. It's off the main re m off the main area. It has ample parking. It's a beautiful store. He's taking a location that has um [0:44:44, 0:44:48]: Has been in use as another use, but is renovating it completely. [0:44:48, 0:44:55]: And it isn't um it meets all the distance requirements. It it has um it's an excellent location for this kind of store. It will not [0:44:56, 0:44:59]: Has any traffic issues, it has as I said a lot of parking. [0:44:59, 0:45:19]: Um, I know that there was some issue with his neighbor with a tree, and I don't know if that's impacting the um the motion to not approve it, but that tree issue, my client hired a licensed and bonded tree company to come in and cut down a tree on his own property. Unbeknownst to my client, that company did not get a permit to cut the tree. [0:45:19, 0:45:39]: Down, which he was supposed to have gotten. My client did not know that. He also did not know that the that the tree company accidentally cut down a tree on the other property, not intentionally. My client did not tell him to cut that tree down. So I know that came up before you, and my client went to court over it. I did not go to court with [0:45:39, 0:45:51]: him but he did end up going to court and um that got resolved and and the solicitor found that there was no reason to to charge my client with anything criminal because that it was clearly an accident. [0:45:51, 0:46:11]: And it should have just been handled through the um tree company itself. That's who should have done it. Should they should have gotten the permit and they took responsibility for taking the tree down um accidentally. So that that should not be looked at as my client's uh a fault on my client. And I ask that you not look at it like that. I don't know if that's the reason, but but [0:46:11, 0:46:31]: But this is here because you voted to allow for another license. And this is a great location for this spot. And um I know that I had um previous well, uh another gentleman was here last time speaking on behalf of my client because I couldn't attend. I had a conflict. So Mr. Buckley was here, and I believe he put into the record constitutional objections, which I had also [0:46:31, 0:46:47]: put in at the planning commission. So I want to make sure those are in the record. I have them again just uh to have them. But um but we do ask that you vote favorably for this application because you you granted it, you you granted the opportunity to come forward with applications. [0:46:47, 0:47:01]: And and we ask that you grant it because it does meet all the criteria. He's got he's gonna have a beautiful store. And I think that it will be a very a good asset to this neighborhood. And I I can answer any questions if you have any. [0:47:03, 0:47:05]: Yes, yeah, go ahead, Miss Barber. [0:47:05, 0:47:20]: Hi, thank you. Um so I am the council representative for the area. There was no vote by the council on the location of the two new [0:47:20, 0:47:26]: Look at licenses. So staff they published [0:47:26, 0:47:28]: Um a location [0:47:28, 0:47:30]: In city council district four. [0:47:31, 0:47:31]: That's my district. [0:47:32, 0:47:33]: Each district [0:47:34, 0:47:35]: Was supposed to have [0:47:36, 0:47:36]: At least five. [0:47:36, 0:47:38]: One package door. [0:47:38, 0:47:39]: In their district. [0:47:40, 0:47:41]: Already have one. [0:47:41, 0:47:44]: I already have one that's in City Council District Four. [0:47:45, 0:47:46]: There was no vote. [0:47:47, 0:47:48]: To put a second. [0:47:49, 0:47:50]: Package store. [0:47:50, 0:47:51]: From the council. [0:47:51, 0:47:52]: So [0:47:53, 0:47:59]: The decision by staff to publish or advertise a second location in my district. [0:48:00, 0:48:05]: That was an error or it was at staff's discretion. So my opposition. [0:48:05, 0:48:09]: is in um is the fact that it is in [0:48:10, 0:48:11]: The entryway [0:48:12, 0:48:13]: to our downtown area. [0:48:14, 0:48:16]: I'm the representative. [0:48:16, 0:48:17]: For the downtown area. [0:48:18, 0:48:19]: A package store. [0:48:19, 0:48:21]: It's not something that I believe. [0:48:22, 0:48:23]: Would be attractive. [0:48:23, 0:48:24]: Two [0:48:25, 0:48:33]: New businesses, new investors that are looking to come into our downtown area. Now, of course, I'm only one vote. [0:48:34, 0:48:41]: This is the district that I represent. My councilmates can choose to vote however they decide to. [0:48:41, 0:48:43]: But as for me [0:48:44, 0:48:46]: The businesses that I'd like to see. [0:48:47, 0:48:49]: To help us revitalize our downtown. [0:48:50, 0:48:52]: Don't include a package store. [0:48:52, 0:49:09]: We're looking for something that's gonna help um help us revitalize. And I don't think a package store is gonna bring new businesses, bring new restaurants, that kind of thing. I know this particular location is across the street from an apartment complex. [0:49:09, 0:49:15]: is not only across the street from our apartment complex, it it is um less than [0:49:16, 0:49:21]: I guess a mile, a quarter of a mile away from the forty milyen dollars stem school. [0:49:21, 0:49:22]: That is to be built. [0:49:23, 0:49:25]: It's not only [0:49:25, 0:49:29]: That close to our future stem school, but we have a elementary school. [0:49:30, 0:49:31]: That is a block away. [0:49:32, 0:49:32]: So [0:49:33, 0:49:34]: That is why [0:49:34, 0:49:35]: Our objects. [0:49:36, 0:49:38]: To having a package store there. [0:49:39, 0:49:43]: My councilmates they can choose to vote however they want to. [0:49:43, 0:49:44]: But [0:49:44, 0:49:46]: That's the stance that I'm taking. [0:49:47, 0:49:48]: That's all. Thank you. [0:49:49, 0:49:51]: Councillor, any other questions, concerns? [0:49:51, 0:49:52]: For the applicant. [0:49:52, 0:49:58]: I just have a comment. Go ahead, please. Well mm well, I guess it could be two part it could be a question as well. [0:49:59, 0:50:15]: I heard you speak of the trees, but there was other work that was done on the property prior to um receiving a permit in order to do it that could have messed up some of the drainage flow, um, from my understanding. Some plumbing or some things that were done um [0:50:16, 0:50:36]: prior you know, without big getting a permit to do it, that was one of my biggest concerns. Not necessarily just the trees, but actual work being done on the outside of the building and work being done in the building. That's the accusation that was had that was made. Are you aware of that? And w what was the outcome [0:50:36, 0:50:44]: of that as well. I don't know the answer to that. If you can give me a minute, I'll speak with my client about it. But before I forget my train of thought, um [0:50:46, 0:50:48]: Okay, I know you want to say something here. [0:50:53, 0:50:54]: Absolutely do it. [0:50:54, 0:51:14]: Um you do and that's why. At this time I move to table this until we can have further discussion and bring this back to council at the next schedule meeting. I move to table this until we can bring this back to council after further discussion with council. But but we already got a motion on the floor, sir. Uh there is a motion on the floor to deny. I I mean uh [0:51:14, 0:51:28]: Yeah, I mean there is a motion. It's ultimately council decision about this, but I would discuss that. I will rescind my motion um for further discussions. All right. If she re since she starts since she it was her motion, she can do that. Mayor. [0:51:29, 0:51:30]: I'm sorry. [0:51:30, 0:51:37]: I I move to follow the instructions of our attorney and table this matter until we can have a little bit more discussion about it. [0:51:38, 0:51:45]: All right. And that's that that's legal in that aspect. And uh madam clerk, you have that written down, is that right? Okay. [0:51:45, 0:51:48]: Well, and do you have any idea how soon before we think you [0:51:50, 0:51:53]: I'm fair. Um Mr. Alzheimer's second, all in favor, please indicate. [0:51:55, 0:52:13]: There's an Namus decision, Mr uh Thomas voted to do this as well. Namus decision to have this tabled. You have any idea how soon b how soon you wanna bring about? Council but I'm assuming um the uh February meeting'cause I wanna talk with um community development as well. Okay. I look forward to the February meeting. Thank you. [0:52:18, 0:52:19]: For new [0:52:19, 0:52:38]: Okay, thank you. Thank you. For new business. Appointment of municipal court judge to a two-year term based on House Bill 456. And um our judge Matt McCord is up for renewal for two-year term. Uh so I need a motion to uh accept this appointment for two years. [0:52:38, 0:52:44]: So moved. Mr. G Ms. Gantt, is there a second? Second. Mr. Alzheimer's second all favor, please indicate. [0:52:44, 0:53:04]: Okay, friend unanimous decision. Stand by, Mr. Judge, stand by. Um also the appointment of municipal court solicitor municipal court solicitor, and that's Judy Kirk. That's for a one year term. She's not present tonight, but uh is there a motion to accept her? Is that uh municipal court solicitor? Seven move. Ms. Gantt, is that is there a second? [0:53:06, 0:53:07]: Is there a second? [0:53:07, 0:53:11]: Ms. Mr. Thomas. I m I understand Ms. Barber's hand. [0:53:11, 0:53:14]: Um Miss Barber, second then. All in favor, please indicate. [0:53:15, 0:53:21]: All right. NAS decision there. Um then appointment of uh Mayor Pro Tem. [0:53:21, 0:53:22]: All right. [0:53:22, 0:53:24]: I need a mayor pro ten. [0:53:25, 0:53:28]: Is there a motion for Mayor Putin? Mayor. Yes, sir. [0:53:28, 0:53:33]: I nominate Lakeisha Gantt to be Mayor Pro Tem for twenty twenty five. All right. Is there a second that motion? [0:53:36, 0:53:48]: I need to sec I second, I guess. You you I guess. Am I supposed to second? You could second that second. Okay. Okay, so from Miss from Mr. Alexander to Miss uh Gantt, just motion second offer to please indicate. [0:53:49, 0:53:50]: I'll Abstain. [0:53:50, 0:54:10]: All right, so the motion is three passes three zero one. Congratulations, uh Ms. Gantt, me and Mayor Pro Temp for twenty twenty-five. And uh is there a motion uh to accept uh our city attorney for another year to be with us, Mr. Quentin Washington and his firm. So move. Okay, is there a second? I second. Okay from [0:54:10, 0:54:12]: Mr. Allzander and Ms. Ken Offer, please indicate. [0:54:14, 0:54:15]: Impose. [0:54:15, 0:54:20]: Abstention? I'll abstain and I wanna add a comment. Three zero one and what's your comment? [0:54:21, 0:54:29]: Um there are some concerns that I have had to address that are [0:54:30, 0:54:33]: Still Mayor. Unresolved. [0:54:34, 0:54:38]: If and it's a personal matter is it's personal matter we should have an executive session? [0:54:38, 0:54:42]: I'm sorry. Yeah, I will think this is a personnel matter we should have in an executive session. [0:54:42, 0:54:46]: Versus out here publicly? Those are my comments for the record. [0:54:46, 0:54:47]: I'll abstain. [0:54:48, 0:54:56]: All right, thank you. All right, on that note, I'm gonna come down forward, council. You can join me. I'm gonna swear in our judge Matt McCord. If you wanna join me on the floor. [0:55:12, 0:55:27]: This great job. No, oh no, I have I have over here, sir. We gotta go right over here. Well I'm gonna I was actually gonna well I was gonna say we read out to me, but if you wanna hold that, it'll be fine. Okay, if you if you say so. All right. [0:55:29, 0:55:49]: All right, uh Judge Reg okay. I state your name. I'm Matthew McCord. Okay, do solemnly swear and affirm. Do solemnly swear and affirm. And that I will faithfully perform. That I will faithfully perform. The duties of a municipal court judge. The duties of municipal court judge. Of the city of Stockbridge. Of the city of Stockbridge. And that I will to the best of my ability. To the best of my ability. Support and defend. Support and defend. [0:55:49, 0:56:09]: And defend the charter thereof. The charter thereof. As well as the Constitution. The Constitution. And the laws of the State of Georgia. And the laws of the State of Georgia. And the United States of America. And the United States of America. I further affirm that. I further affirm that. Upon assumption of this office. Upon assumption of this office. I do not hold any unaccounted for public money. I do not hold any unaccounted for public money. [0:56:09, 0:56:29]: Payable to the state? Do and payable to the state. Any political subdivision of the state. Any political subdivision of the state. The city of Stockbridge. The city of Stockbridge. Or any authority thereof. Or any authority thereof. Nor do I hold. Nor do I hold any other office of trust of the government? Of trust of the government. The United States. Of the United States. Of this state. Of this state. Or any foreign state. Any foreign state. [0:56:29, 0:56:49]: Prescribed as prescribed by the laws by the laws of the state of Georgia of the State of Georgia. I assumed solemnly affirmed. I solemnly affirmed that I'm fully qualified. That I'm fully qualified under the Constitution. Under the Constitution to hold office. To hold the office. Municipal court judge. I will perform the duties. I will perform the duties of my office. Of my office in the best interest. [0:56:48, 0:57:08]: And the best at the city. Of the city. Stockbridge. And the best of my ability. Without fear. Without fear. Favor. Favor. Affection. Affection. Reward. Reward. Right expectation thereof. Thirteenth day of January 2025. Congratulations, sir. All right. So just as always, you have the floor. You want any comments at all that you want to make? [0:57:09, 0:57:28]: I will say what I say every year, which is I'm so grateful to be a part of this. Um I grew up here. I love being here. Uh but I will tell you that we are successful not because of the judge, but because we have a really good team, and two of them are here, two of my newest guys are here tonight. We have the two best bailiffs you'll ever meet in your life. We have Ty and we have Truck. [0:57:29, 0:57:36]: And they take care of me, and I'm super proud to call those guys my friends. I'm proud of our whole team. So these guys deserve your appreciation. [0:57:39, 0:57:50]: Judge judge, you need a you need a sign here. There's got a pen right there, you sign there. Well we can use that pen, it's a strawberry's pen. I just need my glasses so I can see. Otherwise I'd be signed on the room. And then we're gonna take a picture here. [0:57:56, 0:57:59]: Thank you, ma'am. Yeah, so we're gonna put the middle here and get you in the middle. [0:58:00, 0:58:05]: Get the so get the legs on the other side of there, just watch yourself. Okay, come on. [0:58:12, 0:58:12]: Perfect. [0:58:17, 0:58:26]: Hold on, hold on, hold on, that's good. Tell them. The two betas you come on, you j come come on, tell me guys, come on. You gotta get ahead. You you gotta protect you, that's why it's in court. Come on, let's go. [0:58:31, 0:58:34]: Yeah, just stand slash down. [0:58:36, 0:58:37]: Can can you get us all? [0:58:47, 0:58:54]: Thank you. [0:59:23, 0:59:25]: Yeah. [0:59:27, 0:59:29]: Okay. [0:59:41, 1:00:01]: Okay, what's what are we gonna do next? We'll deal with a public hearing. And uh let me read the uh direction for the public hearing rules initially. Please mute all cell phones and other electronic devices. If any everyone wishes to speak tonight on public hearing item, please fill out the form available on the table and hand it to the city clerk before approaching the podium. [1:00:01, 1:00:02]: Yeah. [1:00:02, 1:00:22]: After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant or the representative regarding the proposed plans for property along with and other relevant information. The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor or opposed to the case will have an opportunity to do so. Each [1:00:22, 1:00:42]: East side will be allotted ten minutes total. Additional time may be extended in the discretion of the counsel. Please keep comments and presentations professional, referring only to the facts that are pertinent to the case. We will not allow comments or personal attacks toward any individual group. Please refrain from any applause or comments from the audience during the public hearing. After the presiding officer, [1:00:42, 1:00:51]: Recognizes the speaker, he or she shall direct all comments to the presiding officer, and never to members of the council, staff, or audience. All comments will be made from the podium. [1:00:51, 1:00:54]: Where you be required to state your name and address for the record. [1:00:55, 1:00:57]: Please note that these hearings are not a a debate. [1:00:57, 1:01:17]: Failure to comply and will cause you to be removed from the chamber and ability by law enforcement if you deviate from the proceedings. Other than the applicant, no person may speak more than once. The applicant may reserve part or of his or her speaking time as a rebuttal and may speak next and last and may use the entire 10 minutes allowed for the pro-sided application. [1:01:17, 1:01:37]: If questions are raised, the council may ask the applicant to address questions and or concerns. The presiding officer will call for a motion and a second to the motion and have any necessary discussion. If the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for a vote to recommend approval or denial of the request. The public hearing deals with the Text Amendment case TX. [1:01:37, 1:01:39]: two zero two four zero nine. [1:01:40, 1:02:00]: Council consideration of Text Amendment in Section 3.2.6 of the Stockbridge Unified Development Code UDC to modify the argument regulations for a bed and breakfast not in the subdivision establishments presented by Mr. Ryan. Also for the rezoning case, RZ-2024-01, Council District 2. [1:01:59, 1:02:07]: Oh wait a minute, this is a totally different one. I'm sorry. Totally different. I'm sorry. Excuse me. All right, Mr. Ryan. First one, please. Okay. Um [1:02:11, 1:02:28]: This is a pro a proposed amendment uh to section three point two six of the City of Stockbridge Unified Development Code. The purpose is to amend and add language in regard to existing bed and breakfast establishment in regard to accessory structures in regards to residential uses. [1:02:32, 1:02:37]: Uh, this item went to the Planning Commission on December nineteenth and the Planning Commission recommended approval. [1:02:39, 1:02:59]: Uh to summarize this without reading all this is basically to allow if you're in existing bed and breakfast and you're tenure and your structure's ten years old and you have an existing accessory structure on the property, the same property, same parcel, and um you want to use that as a caretaker home or similar to a parsonage home for a church. [1:02:59, 1:03:19]: Or a guest house to a residence. Um the bed and breakfast owners will be able to use the accessory structure for residential purposes. They wouldn't be able to rent it out for commercial purposes. They'll only be able to use it for caretaker purposes. And they can reside in that structure and but it still would have to be subjected to all [1:03:19, 1:03:22]: Um city residential codes and standards. [1:03:27, 1:03:27]: That is sir. [1:03:28, 1:03:31]: Yes, sir. All right. Any questions for Mr. Anderson, Council? [1:03:32, 1:03:52]: Yes. Yeah, go ahead, Mr. So what is the driver behind this? I mean, what is what is it? Is there is there a project projected something that you're trying to get in in regards to this bed of breakfast? Is there an applicant? Yes, we're trying to um for the sake of transparency, yes, we're trying to help a particular uh [1:03:52, 1:03:55]: uh established bed and breakfast in the city. [1:03:55, 1:04:02]: Okay, a second one? Uh no, not a second one, but uh it's an existing bed and breakfast. The one that's on old Conyers. [1:04:03, 1:04:03]: Yes, sir. [1:04:04, 1:04:17]: Okay, so basically it was nonconforming and you're trying to get uh Yes, it yes it's non confor legally nonconforming, so right, but it's been in operation for now how long? Several years. Several years, yes, sir. [1:04:17, 1:04:25]: Okay, certainly I understand and they've been uh a um positive for the community overall. Not my district, I think it's [1:04:26, 1:04:27]: In district four. [1:04:27, 1:04:28]: Yes. [1:04:31, 1:04:32]: Okay. Any other questions? [1:04:33, 1:04:33]: Yep. [1:04:34, 1:04:43]: Okay. Well I need a motion to accept this uh public this proposal. Public hearing. Public hearing. Oh excuse me. You are so right. It is a public hearing. You have a question? [1:04:44, 1:05:00]: All right. All right. Public and I'll open it up. Thank you for that. Public here and I'll open it up. Anybody that for this um this agreement, this uh a change in my far left. Anybody for uh disagreement in in the middle? Anyone for uh my far right? [1:05:01, 1:05:18]: Anybody f for against this particular movement, this of a change, a far left. Anybody against this uh in the far in the middle, please come forward. Anybody against this this motion? This agreement in my far right. All right. Come to podium, state your name and address, please. [1:05:21, 1:05:41]: Uh good evening. My name is uh Jocelyn Williams, one ninety Banks Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia, three oh two eight one. Uh I wanna apologize. I can't really um see. I was here on the nineteenth of December trying to get a understanding of I was just trying to make sure. I know this can't be moved into a subdivision. I didn't want the uh current [1:05:41, 1:05:59]: ordinance to change that someone might be able to buy or purchase something and then it can turn into a bread and breakfast. That's what my opposition was. I didn't have a chance to really um see the um visually reading um um that's why I'm putting an opposition uh for tonight. Thank you. [1:05:59, 1:06:19]: Thank you. All right. On that note, no, I'll close this portion of the uh the public hearing. No, the comments uh council if you I know. I have one comment. Yep, go write it, please. Just just for clarification purposes, the actual current ordinance says three point two point six bed and breakfast facilities. [1:06:19, 1:06:22]: Not in a subdivision. That's my comment. [1:06:24, 1:06:27]: Okay. Okay. Is there a motion to accept this or change? [1:06:28, 1:06:35]: So okay. I approve. Okay. Okay. From Ms. Barber to Ms. Eisander, all favor, please indicate. [1:06:36, 1:06:37]: Singham's decision. Thank you very much. [1:06:38, 1:06:38]: [3999.7, 4015.2]: Okay, next public hearing rezoning case RZ 2024-11 Council District 2. Consideration rezoning request of for three parcels on the east side of Flippin' Road near Fairhaven Road. The parcels would be rezoned to PUD Plan Unit Development. [1:06:55, 1:06:57]: or PUD uh mastered plan development. [1:06:58, 1:07:06]: The intent is to adopt a master plan for the property to allow for the construction of a town home development. Applicant Vista Residential Partners Agent Dennis J. Webb [1:07:07, 1:07:08]: Junior Esquire. [1:07:08, 1:07:28]: The three parcels are located on landlot 38 District 12, identified below, and they contain 18.31 acres. Parcel number 030-0100-2000. 415 Flippin' Road contains 13.436 acres within uh within the three parcel. [1:07:28, 1:07:48]: Parcel tracks. Parcel number 030-01002001 contains uh point eight eight six acres. Parcel number zero three zero-one zero zero two zero zero two contains three point nine eight eight acres. Mr. Anderson, please. Okay. Before I begin, uh may [1:07:48, 1:08:08]: Mayor, uh, I like to say that uh this property um was annexed into the city in uh 2022. Um and according to our code and other regulations, um we have to assign a similar zoning. That's that the property was owned in Henry County. It was on mixed use in um in Henry County. So when we brought it in. [1:08:08, 1:08:12]: Um city council voted to approve the zoning maps in the [1:08:13, 1:08:33]: And the land use map, and it was assigned a the zoning of PUD, which is playing unit development, which is similar to the mixed use designation in Henry County. Okay. So uh what precipitated this this uh particular agenda item tonight is all PUD zoning must have an approved development plan or a regular [1:08:33, 1:08:36]: So the zoning isn't in question tonight. [1:08:36, 1:08:38]: Only thing uh council [1:08:39, 1:08:48]: We'll be uh considering tonight is there is approving their master plan or development plan or regulating plan to go along with the PUD zoning. [1:08:50, 1:08:51]: Okay. Okay, excuse me. [1:08:52, 1:09:03]: So uh the property has 18 acres. Currently the property is vacant, mostly level. Uh the current future land use designation is medium density, mixed use. [1:09:05, 1:09:08]: Like I said previously the the the current zoning is PUD plan unit development. [1:09:11, 1:09:15]: Here's a aerial photo of the uh three parcels highlighted in orange. [1:09:17, 1:09:20]: Here's a map showing the three parcels comprising the subject property. [1:09:24, 1:09:25]: Here's another aerial photo. [1:09:27, 1:09:31]: Here's proof of the zoning sign that was posted on November twenty sixth, twenty twenty four. [1:09:37, 1:09:57]: Uh the applicant is proposed to to build a um a townhouse development on flip flipping road at Wall Stevens. Um a master plan. It's a mixed use development. Uh it will it will be in concert with the um the Reeves Creek um master plan that um Reed Creek's development that city council approved. [1:09:57, 1:09:58]: A little over a year ago. [1:10:03, 1:10:04]: Here's the site rendering. [1:10:07, 1:10:09]: Here's the site development data. [1:10:11, 1:10:18]: It will comprise of 94 units, units, proposed unit size, 24 by 50 foot, front load townhomes. [1:10:20, 1:10:22]: Uh front the front yard setback will be fifty feet. [1:10:24, 1:10:30]: Total parking will be three hundred and ninety seven spaces, a hundred and eighty eight is required. [1:10:31, 1:10:35]: Here's a rendering and an elevation of the proposed units. [1:10:40, 1:10:41]: Here's the front elevation. [1:10:46, 1:10:49]: Here's the layout of the interior, the master plans. [1:10:53, 1:10:59]: As you can see the here's the s here's the side elevation, the left side and the right side elevation. [1:11:05, 1:11:21]: So like I previously mentioned, the applicant is here tonight to get uh approval from city council for his uh master plan and uh the UDC requires that all PUD Plan Unit Development Zoning has a regulating plan or master plan assigned to it. [1:11:22, 1:11:30]: So um staff recommended approval with uh conditions. Let me get to the conditions. [1:11:34, 1:11:35]: Uh [1:11:37, 1:11:57]: I'm read the conditions into the record. Um as it relates to the site plan, the developers shall submit and build the proposed development according to a site plan which is very similar in design to the submitted one, which is entitled Flip and Road at Walt Stevens, a master plan mixed use development for visibility partners, conceptual master plan preliminary, which which was [1:11:57, 1:12:02]: Prepared by Planners and Engineers Collaborative on December 6th, 2024. [1:12:02, 1:12:07]: All internal sidewalks shall be shown shown on the site plan with their widths noted. [1:12:07, 1:12:12]: The development the uh as it relates to amenities, the developers shall provide a dowel park, a grilling area. [1:12:13, 1:12:13]: And a fire pit. [1:12:14, 1:12:18]: and connections to the nearby walking trails, and these shall be labeled on the site plan. [1:12:19, 1:12:39]: Setbacks and building spaces. Although the property's PUD zoning does not have a specific setback or building spacing requirement, the proposed setback and building spacing should net should nonetheless be stated on the site plan. Uh requiring 25-foot-wide buffers along the northern and eastern sides of the property, contiguous to the adjacent properties. [1:12:39, 1:12:40]: Which are zone R R. [1:12:41, 1:12:42]: And S R. [1:12:44, 1:12:51]: Uh condition number two, the applicant shall obtain, submit, and comply with the with all terms of water and sewer facilities letter from the Herring County Water Authority. [1:12:53, 1:13:03]: Architectural design, condition number three. Three eight. All town home units shall be a minimum of sixteen hundred square feet in size. All town homes shall have two car garages. [1:13:03, 1:13:17]: All sides of each town home building should have exterior materi exterior materials consisting of brick, stone, or stucco, or any combination of two or more of the fallen materials on all sides. Brick, stone, stucco, or cement fiberboard. [1:13:19, 1:13:23]: Um gates gates shall not be required at the project entrances. [1:13:25, 1:13:33]: Property management. The developer shall establish an HOA or shall secure a property management company to maintain the common areas of the proposed development. [1:13:33, 1:13:35]: Recombination of parcels. [1:13:36, 1:13:56]: The developer shall prepare and submit a clear plat, which shows how portions or parcels comprising development site would be combined. The plat shall be combined, should be approved by the community development department and officially recorded at the Henry County Superior Court. Further, no permits shall be issued for the proposed development until the developer has submitted to community development copy of the [1:13:56, 1:13:57]: Recorded plate. [1:13:59, 1:14:05]: Uh so there was um an additional requirement um [1:14:06, 1:14:07]: That was presented. [1:14:09, 1:14:15]: the staff uh add wants to add um it relates to the um [1:14:15, 1:14:19]: Rental cap, uh no more than ten percent. [1:14:20, 1:14:24]: of the total number of proposed development shall be rented. [1:14:26, 1:14:27]: So that's it. [1:14:28, 1:14:48]: Thank you for that, Ms. Mr. Anderson. Um that additional um percentage, ten percent of rental cap, I'm assuming that the applicant is uh minimal to that, right? Uh no, that's staff's condition based on some other re requirements. Okay. Uh and other concerns. [1:14:48, 1:14:51]: concerns that were passed alone at the planning commission. [1:14:52, 1:14:55]: I see. So th but they're all negotiable. [1:14:56, 1:14:57]: And subject to approval by counsel. [1:14:58, 1:14:59]: Okay. [1:15:00, 1:15:04]: Does the applicant have a presentation as well? Yes, sir. Okay. Why don't you come forward, sir? [1:15:12, 1:15:32]: I got I got a question for staff. Go ahead, please. Mr. Anderson, uh you have indicated as far as this is concerned, the rezoning has already taken place, right? Yes yes, sir. So the council has already voted. So the project, the rezoning or are has already taken place. So that's approved. Yes. So basically [1:15:32, 1:15:52]: They uh but because we put in more stringent standards that we have to have a development agreement in place, a master plan agreement in place in order for them to go forward. But the rezoning has already been approved. Is that correct? Yes, sir. [1:15:52, 1:16:02]: It was rezoned when it came in through the annexation in 2022. It was it was mixed use in the county. But when it came into the city, it received the City of Stockbridge mixed use designation, which is PUD. [1:16:02, 1:16:22]: And code requires all that all PUD zoning in the city of Stockbridge have a regulating plan or a master plan or a development plan assigned to it. Right. So in other words, what has happened is we've already approved the zoning for this particular development and then uh in accordance with what we had actually approved across the street. Yes, sir. [1:16:22, 1:16:39]: But this particular portion did not have a development agreement which we're trying to put in place to make sure that they have the highest standards appro uh and appropriate to where we're trying to go in the city. Exactly. That's correct, sir. All right, thank you. All right. [1:16:40, 1:16:45]: Do you have a question for Ms. Anderson? Yeah. Go ahead, Ms. Anderson, come back please. There [1:16:45, 1:16:54]: Um, Mr. Anderson, um one of the questions that were asked in regards to this light plan was whether or not amenities would be provided. [1:16:54, 1:16:56]: The response was that this [1:16:57, 1:16:57]: Um [1:16:59, 1:17:08]: The mit whether or not amenities will be provided. And the response says this was noted in the pre application meeting and in the statement of intent. [1:17:08, 1:17:28]: The residents will have a sidewalk connection to the adjacent Riv Reeves Creek Trail. Is that the only amenities that are gonna be? No, they'll they'll they'll be able to share in the amenities in the in the development that we approved over a year ago. The thirteen hundred uh unit project that's across that's that's across the street. They will be able to share in those amenities and also [1:17:28, 1:17:29]: Um [1:17:30, 1:17:35]: Uh they have uh I I listed several amenities in the conditions. Uh let me go back to it. Um [1:17:43, 1:17:50]: Uh it will it would have a dog park, a grilling area, and a fire pit in connection to the nearby walking trails. [1:17:50, 1:17:55]: And uh all those shall be labeled on the site plan. That's condition one C. [1:17:56, 1:17:56]: Okay. [1:17:56, 1:17:57]: All right. [1:17:57, 1:18:17]: Now what you're saying pretty much is the neighbors they will be able to walk out pretty much uh onto the trail and connect to Rees Creek Trail from their neighborhood. Yes, sir. Which is a highly desirable amenity that we kind of look for. I guess the only things that we always concern ourselves with is to make sure that we have [1:18:17, 1:18:35]: Have that connection so that people aren't walking in the grass on flipping road. They're gonna have a ten foot path along uh flipping road. Yes, yes. So and then they will also have an internal connection to the r the Rees Creek. Um on one side, right? [1:18:36, 1:18:37]: The internal connection. [1:18:39, 1:18:40]: How cold is that? Uh [1:18:42, 1:18:44]: Not an inside, it's too small. Um [1:18:45, 1:18:46]: Let me go back to the layout. Um [1:18:49, 1:19:04]: But basically the front trail, well maybe the the ten foot path would connect to Reed's Creek. It would basically give people to the north of that the ability to have a sidewalk where now they don't have one. Yes. [1:19:07, 1:19:08]: Is there way you can bloat it up anymore? [1:19:09, 1:19:10]: Uh y yes, sir. [1:19:25, 1:19:32]: I notice the parcels are not conti don't connect really. How are they doing what are they doing for connectivity? [1:19:34, 1:19:37]: Uh when you say they don't connect, uh [1:19:38, 1:19:43]: I there were oh okay. Is that the there wasn't one on the other side or is that something totally different? [1:19:44, 1:19:45]: On the other side of the street. [1:19:45, 1:19:46]: No. [1:19:46, 1:19:48]: Phase one. [1:19:49, 1:19:55]: I see one, two, and then I see a big gap and then I see some more houses. Yeah, that's a street. [1:19:56, 1:19:57]: Fairhaven Road. [1:19:57, 1:19:57]: Okay. [1:19:59, 1:20:01]: And that's the hammer head right there. [1:20:02, 1:20:02]: Okay. [1:20:03, 1:20:08]: Right, but along flipping drive I don't see uh there's a ten foot path along flipping road. [1:20:08, 1:20:17]: Uh. Well that would need to be a f ten foot path along. Right, in order to connect to Reed's Creek, which is right next door. Yes, sir. [1:20:21, 1:20:33]: This is just showing this particular d the interior, this particular development doesn't uh sh show anything along the frontage right there. But Right. With the flop camera requirement, is that one of the conditions also? [1:20:34, 1:20:40]: Uh this came in bef before our new ordinance, but I'm sure they will they they will agree to it. [1:20:41, 1:20:43]: And street lights. Yes, sir. [1:20:46, 1:21:06]: Uh the only other thing that I saw, okay, that brought up some concern was the minimum square fitted at sixteen hundred. I think in the new code we wanted eighteen. The new one requires eighteen hundred. Right. So they can't the application came in before I'd like to ask'em to go to eighteen hundred. Uh Chase. Are they required to do two cards? Excuse me. [1:21:06, 1:21:07]: Yeah. [1:21:07, 1:21:22]: They uh they I'll let him address it during his presentation, uh uh Councilmember Alexander. Yeah, if you yeah, let him do his presentation. Uh keep your question, let him do the presentation. That's our new standard. [1:21:23, 1:21:43]: Uh good evening, everybody. My name is Den Webb, 1105 West Peace Street Street, Atlanta, Georgia, 30309. Here on behalf of Vista Residential. I've got Chase Beasley with me as well. Chase is a managing director with Vista and is ready and willing to take your questions. Let me hit on a few things that were brought up uh just a second ago. Number one, it is our intent to have eighteen hundred square feet as the minimum. We would like a little flexibility, even if one [1:21:43, 1:21:49]: dot drip down to 1775, you know, we'd like that flexibility. I think we could move the number up from 1600. I think that [1:21:50, 1:21:56]: But eighteen hundred is our intent on this property. But uh uh real qu I think staff has ten percent administrative. [1:21:58, 1:22:13]: authority, so that would take you So that's about right slightly uh lower than that, but eighteen hundred is where we really want to be at. Okay. If you ask me, you know. We've been getting the cookie cutter town homes and we wanna do something better than that, you know. [1:22:14, 1:22:23]: What you pictured was nice at eighteen hundred square feet. So so staff has discretion to reduce a zoning condition from eighteen hundred to ten percent less. [1:22:26, 1:22:28]: Okay. We can live with that. [1:22:28, 1:22:36]: We can live with that. Uh couple other things. We do have pass in front of both sides of the development. I'll talk a little more about more of that uh a little bit more about that. [1:22:37, 1:22:47]: You okay with that? Right. Uh uh actually I I do have some some conc conc concerns and questions, but I wanted him to uh do his presentation because he may [1:22:47, 1:22:53]: He may uh speak on some of those. No. I hope I do. I'm just waiting on you to do your presentation. [1:22:53, 1:23:06]: Okay. Uh just I I I just to clean up and touch on a few more things that were raised, we do intend to put pass in front of the north and south side of that townhome. We don't really have a way to connect internally. We don't actually own all that property in the middle. Some of it's owned by Stockbridge, some of it's [1:23:06, 1:23:26]: floodplain, but we do have a path going down along Flippin' Road on both sides of the development. And lastly, I'm just gonna mention we you guys talked a little bit about this property and how it got into Stockbridge. I'll talk about that a little bit more in a second, but just back in 2019, this property was zoned for a hundred townhomes. And as Mr. Anderson talked about it was zoned in [1:23:26, 1:23:42]: MU and when it comes into the city, it's got to have a comparable zoning district. PUD was the only option really. And there's one difference between Henry County's MU district and Stockbridge's PUD district, and that is you've got to have a regulating plan. And Mr. Anderson covered that well. [1:23:46, 1:24:01]: As you guys heard and know, Vista is developing 290 acres right across the street, right? We went through the we filed an application to annex into the city of Stockbridge originally. We filed a rezoning application as well. Uh the rezoning was approved about a year and a half ago. [1:24:01, 1:24:11]: We would have brought this property in two, but we couldn't meet the annexation requirements. Uh there were some issues, you know, there are contiguity requirements and other requirements under the uh state annexation. [1:24:11, 1:24:31]: code that we couldn't meet at the time we started Reeves Creek One on the West Side. But since then you guys had a referendum and brought in a number of properties into the city, including this. So that's what allowed us to move forward. We would would have liked to have done them together. We just couldn't do it at the time. But Okay, for clarification, that that's the key point that I I just want to make sure that I [1:24:31, 1:24:51]: You we annexed this property into the city, or the citizens did. Correct. They voted to. That's correct. And this is why you're allowed to do this now, where previously you wasn't, because the people voted to annex all of this property into the city. Right. We would have been able to do this development in Henry County. Right, but not in Stockford, though. Correct. That's exactly right. [1:24:51, 1:25:11]: Right. And so yes, this came in and became part of the city on January one, twenty twenty three, is because of the referendum. The citizens voted to take this property into the city. And of course everyone or well not everyone, but you know, it was known what was approved for this property at the time of the annexation. It had already gone through the process in Henry County about four years previously. [1:25:11, 1:25:26]: For further clarification. So basically you had already been approved in Henry County, then it got annexed. This is what triggered all of this. That's exactly right. Okay. I do now clearly understand I I that's something I didn't previously know. All right, thank you. [1:25:26, 1:25:34]: Uh you see here a zoning map, it just shows the parcels outlined here. Again, uh, I'm gonna try and not step on or cover the same ground that Mr. Anderson did. [1:25:35, 1:25:35]: Um [1:25:36, 1:25:52]: Here is the site plan. This property is of effectively three tracks. They total eighteen point three acres. Uh and as was discussed, the the tr site is bisected by Reeves Creek, the Reeves Street Trail Trail, and Fairhaven Road here. So there are some separation points. [1:25:54, 1:26:14]: Uh as you heard the intent is a ninety-four unit townhome development. We're actually pro f uh uh seeking six less than that were than were approved by Henry County. All will be two-story, all will have two car garages. In terms of the access points, if you look here to the north side, you'll see that this area is cut by Fairhaven Road and we have driveways directly. [1:26:14, 1:26:28]: onto Fairhaven Road. To the south, we have aligned the driveway there with an intersection of the new Rees Creek development. That intersection will be signalized, right? So there's gonna be a traffic light there, which I think is a great option for these folks coming out of the development. [1:26:30, 1:26:30]: Yes, ma'am. [1:26:40, 1:27:00]: So this is the intersection I was just talking about. Uh you'll notice there is a left turn lane that's being added flipping the road because of the development across the street. Uh it doesn't show on here, but there will be a signal here uh as part of the development uh that will be coming through here shortly. By the way, Reese Creek One just got the LDP last week. We have been working almost every day. [1:27:00, 1:27:14]: Since we left this uh location a year and a half ago to try and get that LDP and we're proud to say that it we have it. So you'll start to start to see some activity. It wouldn't be for did you say that would be a signal? Yes, sir. A traffic stop a traffic light. [1:27:14, 1:27:26]: At uh Fairhaven. Yep. So this new driveway coming out of Reeves Creek One will have a traffic signal here and it will align with the driveway coming out of the south side of the development we're here to talk about tonight. [1:27:27, 1:27:28]: Yeah. [1:27:30, 1:27:40]: Because oh I'm I'm trying to get some clarity on on the traffic signal. So h how how does it align with Fairhaven [1:27:41, 1:27:46]: Well let me back up. See I do understand that we you know, we got Reese Create One. Correct. [1:27:47, 1:27:57]: Which is on the other side of flipping and all been completed now. So now we're talking about the right side of flipping. So if you got a traffic traffic signal [1:27:58, 1:28:00]: Fair Haven. [1:28:00, 1:28:01]: What is it aligned with? [1:28:02, 1:28:15]: On the other side. So if you you see where my cursor is right here? Right. So Fairhaven is actually up here. This traffic signal will not align with Fairhaven. There is no driveway on the other side of Flippin' Road to align it with. [1:28:16, 1:28:21]: So the driveway coming out of the south side of this development will line up with the driveway coming out of [1:28:22, 1:28:35]: Uh Rees Creek One. One. And at that intersection there'll be a light. You'll notice too we've added a left turn lane into the property. Uh here there is a deceleration lane coming into the site. All with the these were really uh [1:28:35, 1:28:45]: largely recommendations made as part of the DRI process uh that was performed to, you know, try and minimize and mitigate the impact that this these developments would have on flipping road. And there are [1:28:47, 1:28:55]: There th this is doesn't show all of Rees Creek West, but there's another uh access point up here and again like like [1:28:55, 1:29:06]: the access point to the south, it's got a turn lane into the property and deceleration lane. So folks trying to get into the property will get out of the flow of traffic and allow those just coming through the area to continue to move. [1:29:06, 1:29:14]: Well that was a part of my question, but I I'll let you c complete your presentation. Okay. Uh and and I'm I wanna answer every question you got. So uh [1:29:15, 1:29:35]: Don't hesitate. Uh this is the same set of elevations that Ryan just showed. It's you'll see a combination of brick, stone, stucco, and cement fiber board. Uh Councilman Alexander has asked about making these overhangs metal. Uh we're agreeable to that. Uh and we could add a condition uh at the end of this process if if that is the the council's desire. [1:29:35, 1:29:36]: Um [1:29:46, 1:29:53]: Let me just tell you about how we got to here because there's actually a code process uh to uh approve a master plan. You know, as you've heard. [1:29:54, 1:30:14]: We got the zoning we need, it allows us to build townhomes at the density we want. But uh because of the PED requirement, we have to have a master plan. And then just so you know, this is how it works. It starts with staff. We submit what's called a concept plan to staff. And they provide feedback to us and we work together to finalize that and and and and basically transform that concept plan into a master development plan. And we've now [1:30:14, 1:30:19]: done that. Both sides are satisfied with what we're presenting to you tonight and that's what are what we're asking you to approve. [1:30:20, 1:30:20]: Uh [1:30:20, 1:30:25]: Mr. Anderson went over the conditions. We're we're we're we're okay with them. Um [1:30:26, 1:30:46]: Uh we do have amenities. We asked for a change. The initial uh a request for amenities uh included picnic tables and a barbecue, and that's not exactly what we're trying to do here. We do have a uh a grilling area, we've got a fire pit, uh, but we wanted to refine that a little bit and and uh staff has agreed with that proposal. Again, uh we've uh told mr uh councilman [1:30:46, 1:30:58]: Uh Alexander, that uh we're okay with metal uh roofs on the overhangs. I guess the only other thing I would talk about there was reference to sort of conversation about rental restrictions at the planning commission. Let me tell you a little bit about that. So [1:31:00, 1:31:20]: Staff had recommended a 10% rental cap, uh uh, which for a for sale product we're perfectly fine with, right? But we did raise the issue because there's a possibility that an institution could come in, buy this entire development, maintain this entire development, and and and might be interested in renting it. So the our our point was that's the [1:31:19, 1:31:28]: That was the reason we debated it. You know, w we would never allow you know twenty individual homeowners to come in and rent out twenty units. That will never ever happen on this property. [1:31:29, 1:31:49]: If this is a for sale product, there will be a strong uh rental cap. Uh if it's if it's institutionally owned, you know, we didn't see a problem with one company owning the property, one company cutting the grass, painting the walls, dealing with all these issues. Uh but again the the planning commission didn't seem to have a problem with it. There may be a problem here. Uh [1:31:49, 1:31:57]: Tonight, I don't know. We we were okay getting imposing the rental cap of ten percent on for sale units if that's the direction you wanted. We we thought it would be [1:31:58, 1:32:14]: at least worth c having a conversation about institutionally owned. I mean that's that's the dream, frankly, for this kind of development because it's maintained by a well capitalized, well organized entity. But i if if it's the will of the council that we have a ten percent rental cap, that's fine. Again, uh [1:32:16, 1:32:25]: We're okay with staff conditions as proposed and we are open to uh an additional condition that requires the overhangs to be metal. [1:32:26, 1:32:43]: I kinda got shorted on time there, but I was gonna say council you we'll give'em extra time. I'm assuming the extra time for you. If you need still extra time to make your presentation, we'll have several questions of course. Well it came out a disjointed way, but I I I've said what I need to say and and so I'm happy to answer any questions you have. Let me let me start with Mr. Thomas. Mr. Thomas, you got something else? So [1:32:45, 1:32:46]: I do understand uh [1:32:47, 1:32:56]: I do understand Reese Creek one, and we're talking about two. I do understand, even though [1:32:57, 1:32:58]: You know, um [1:32:59, 1:33:01]: The developer now didn't get us a chance to really to talk. [1:33:02, 1:33:12]: But I do understand when it was in Henry County and with the annexation then it required the master plan. So going forward from that point [1:33:13, 1:33:15]: You mentioned the traffic light. [1:33:16, 1:33:36]: So my questions are really centered around the road improvements. And uh I'm gonna ask Mr. Anderson here in a minute. I recall a conversation of a joint um a joint project with Henry County and the city. [1:33:36, 1:33:37]: [5618.2, 5621.1]: to White and Flip and Roll. [1:33:42, 1:33:43]: Um [1:33:43, 1:33:48]: Number one, I'd like to know where that is. And the reason I'm going there is because [1:33:49, 1:33:53]: When you start developing sidewalks [1:33:53, 1:34:10]: uh turning lanes, et cetera, et cetera. So if there's a future plan to widen, how does all of that affect that? And so maybe uh Mr. Anderson, maybe Mr. Gardner, or do you have any history [1:34:10, 1:34:13]: on the joint project with Henry County and Stockbridge to widen [1:34:14, 1:34:23]: Flipping road. I I'm gonna ask Chase to come up and talk a little bit about that because he I think he's been part of some conversations. The one thing I can tell you is we have heard about that and we have allowed sufficient right of way [1:34:24, 1:34:33]: to uh accommodate those changes in the future. Well that was my concern. So our our buildings and whatnot are set far enough off the roadway to allow for that widening. So even with the [1:34:35, 1:34:38]: It he can get ready to come forward because that's what some of my concerns are. [1:34:38, 1:34:42]: Um, the widening [1:34:42, 1:34:43]: Um [1:34:43, 1:34:58]: that would include the sidewalks, that would include the turning lanes, the ingress, egress. So all of this is is accountable for for as uh having the the footage to to do all of this, even though [1:34:58, 1:35:07]: Uh the widening may come years, years later, but it is allowed for. That's correct. And so Mr. Anderson. Go ahead and [1:35:10, 1:35:12]: Okay, go come come to the mic surf, please. [1:35:15, 1:35:35]: And if you would, could you speak to a little bit more in depth of some of the uh roadway improvements? And I know um the first gentleman he saw to mention some of that with the traffic light and and the turning lanes, but can you give us a uh a a better picture of uh the roadway improvements? Sure. Chase Beasley with Fista Residential. [1:35:35, 1:35:55]: Um back to your question about the roadway widths. We have uh seen a few preliminary design um analysis on what we need to accommodate. And so as a part of our land disturbance permit and working with Ryan and his his great team, we have gone ahead and accommodated the appropriate width. So there shouldn't be an issue. Your concern is very valid as far as uh ensuring that [1:35:54, 1:36:14]: There's adequate uh right-of-way width for when those improvements are made. Uh however, um now moving back to our plan here and back to Din's point, if you could see the cursor, the roadway improvements are shown here in the bolded line. Let me see if I can zoom in a little more. [1:36:15, 1:36:35]: We have a traffic signal on the southern entry to the already approved east flippin', I'm sorry, west flippin' development here. This regulating plan for our townhomes here, which is the subject tonight, will align directly with this signalized intersection here. The signal intersection [1:36:34, 1:36:54]: Is code compliant. We've worked with your team. It's been approved. We've been very detail-oriented to ensure that that is compliant as stated. Moving up, we have another. This is Fair Haven. We will not have any direct access on a flip-in from these two teams. [1:36:54, 1:37:14]: Townhome, we'll call them pods just because of how they're broken up. The connection points are off Fairhaven. Um, and then going back to historic um traffic improvements that are are will be aligned with the southern entry here. We have a northern entry into a west side of Flip In, which is Den alluded to. We'll have a deceleration list. [1:37:14, 1:37:34]: Lane and a left turn lane to ensure that traffic flow for anyone going into the West Flippin development is off of the main road. So I'm more than happy to send you a more detailed site plan showing those improvements, but all of the improvements are or happening. [1:37:34, 1:37:40]: have been worked with the staff. Uh they also have been approved by the uh Greta team as well. [1:37:41, 1:37:53]: So so the turning lanes I I I do understand uh the turning lanes at the light, the traffic light, uh but you mentioned um an entryway [1:37:54, 1:37:56]: Yes. So [1:37:57, 1:38:02]: I'm sorry to interrupt. Go ahead. So um there are turning lanes there as well. [1:38:02, 1:38:22]: Correct. It's just off the page. I mean, th this this is designed to show you what we're here to talk about tonight. So it doesn't include all of the West Flippin. But if off the page up in this area, there is a a second access point that will have a deceleration lane into it and a left hand turning lane that will be added to flipping road. Mm-hmm. It's just not showing on very strong. And [1:38:22, 1:38:29]: And and are there sidewalks on both sides of uh flipping? Yes, sir. Okay, okay. [1:38:29, 1:38:37]: Well, uh I I think with the conditions and some of the questions that uh council members asked. [1:38:37, 1:38:50]: Uh, I was just a little concerned about the um roadway improvements and the fact that there's a traffic light on flipping. God, I mean that is [1:38:51, 1:39:01]: That is going to be monumental right there. Um so let me ask um Mr. Anderson, uh is there a timeline? [1:39:03, 1:39:06]: Right, and then I want to ask Mr. Gardner. [1:39:07, 1:39:10]: Uh, is he a part of the conversation with Henry County? [1:39:11, 1:39:19]: uh as far as uh the project itself. And the reason I want to emphasize this issue right here because um [1:39:20, 1:39:25]: not even getting into the the criticism of everything. [1:39:25, 1:39:45]: But being able to put in those roadway projects, I think that is what's going to be instrumental in whatever we do. I think the traffic light, I think the sidewalks, the turning lanes, I think all this is very important. And so um uh [1:39:45, 1:39:55]: Mr. Gardner, do you do you have in information as far a timeline? And what is so the city of Stockbridge and Henry County, are we working together? [1:39:56, 1:40:16]: Presently. We have, but I don't uh we haven't discussed the particulars as it relates to flipping and the improvements in on flipping road. Um, because you know the biggest barrier to improving flipping road is the interstate. So you when you get to that point once you cross over banks, if you're [1:40:16, 1:40:17]: Do any widening in there? [1:40:18, 1:40:24]: You're gonna have to do something with the interstate because the way that is built, it restricts you widening, flipping road at that point. [1:40:24, 1:40:27]: So that's gonna take uh Herculean effort. [1:40:27, 1:40:45]: Obviously to deal with the feds. So you're talking about down under the bridge. Yeah. That's the only way you can actually widen to make it truly a kind of like Highway forty t what they're planning for Highway Forty two to fall in it. The problem with falling and flipping from North Henry Boulevard down to [1:40:45, 1:40:53]: Let's say Jonesboro Road um McCullough Road. Right. Or or eventually to Jonesboro Road,'cause I think you they're making that extension now. Um [1:40:54, 1:41:06]: Is the fact that the interstate is gonna be a big barrier as it relates to that because you don't have enough space without them doing actually making some improvements on the interstate itself to allow for you to facilitate [1:41:06, 1:41:24]: getting extra room um right aways in there to make that happen. But I think that the effort that they're doing here, um, obviously I think Henry County's been aware of some of this request because when it was in the county, I think some of these items were discussed at that point and how they would make any improvements in the road. So we'll be working with them as it relates to that. [1:41:25, 1:41:32]: So there are no um contingencies as far as the traffic light is proved and [1:41:36, 1:41:56]: I was just gonna add to that and say that Vista as part of its development on the west side will be installing the traffic light and it will be installing the the turn lanes on both the north and south entrances and the sidewalks. So some of these things I know are require coordination between Henry County and Stockbridge, but those elements will be actually installed by the developer as part of the development. [1:41:56, 1:41:57]: We won't have to wait for Henry County or anybody. [1:41:58, 1:42:09]: Right. So in in the master plan, um you pretty much have highlighted all of the different changes from uh [1:42:10, 1:42:30]: The PUD when it was Henry County and now the requirements now that it's in the city of Stockbridge. So for us the master plan, um you have sort of highlighted all of the changes. Oh, that's right. So let's see if this is embedded. Yeah. So just a reminder, because of the [1:42:30, 1:42:39]: The size and scope of this project, it did classify as a development of regional impact. So not only did Henry County get to view it. [1:42:39, 1:42:57]: Um also uh GDOT, ARC, and Greta um were all part of the evaluation because it's a development of regional impact. Um and as part of that process, Clayton County would have gotten every city in the in the vicinity of plus Clayton County. [1:42:57, 1:42:59]: Maybe even the cab might have. [1:43:00, 1:43:20]: Um gotten notification of this project as part of the DRI process to get any feedback from those communities as it relates to the the traffic. But definitely everybody had an opportunity to any improvements that are being made. And GDOT some not GDOT, but ARC does require you to go through and make traffic improvements as possible. [1:43:20, 1:43:35]: of the development itself. So as part of that scope and it went through that, it went through that as part of Henry County, which means that those traffic improvements um came over with this application. Um and we've held them to'em. [1:43:35, 1:43:53]: Right. And I'm I'm glad you mentioned that. So my my only concern was the uh the roadway projects. And I think b all of you are sort of answered my questions and seemed like um um i everything is gonna be pretty much doable. So mayor I yield back. Thank you. [1:43:54, 1:43:56]: Oh yeah, go ahead, Mr. [1:43:56, 1:44:10]: Let me let me say this real quick. I was actually watching the Henry County uh meeting uh the other night and there is some exciting news. There's a Flippin' Road extension that's gonna take Flippin' Road from where it ends right now all the way to Jonesboro Road. [1:44:11, 1:44:31]: That section is gonna have a bridge, it's going to have sidewalks. Uh Commissioner Lewis uh uh was is leading the way on that. So there was a discussion about what it what it well if it was going to be on the other side, they would have to widen the bridge. So certainly, as you say, the state looked at this entirety of the entire area. [1:44:31, 1:44:43]: and knew that all of those are uh potential projects. What we have to do as citizens and as representatives is that T Splash two is coming up. [1:44:43, 1:45:03]: There will be another T sploss. Right. The first T sploss has Rock Quarry Road widening on it, which will actually start this year in the spring. So T sploss two would actually be able to provide the funding for us to widen it. I know Commissioner Robinson was trying to get the design money into uh the SPLOS. [1:45:03, 1:45:23]: I'm not sure whether that made it or not, but I know there was some serious discussion on it. And they even mentioned putting it in the next T-SPLOST as a count as a joint county and city project. So that would be one that we would both want to put a uh a bullet point on and say that uh to the citizens when the next T splot, because T Splash. [1:45:23, 1:45:43]: is something they already paid now that they would have to reauthorize when it comes back up. And this should be the top project that would be on there with everything that we have going on. So uh again, understanding that it's only gonna be in an evolving process of always staying engaged as the citizens would do in order to make things happen [1:45:43, 1:46:03]: Because the growth is going to happen. We just gotta be, we gotta understand that and we gotta manage it the best way that we possibly can. And I'm glad Councilman Thomas has been in in looking at this project and looking at it. And it certainly is. I did not know a full traffic light was gonna go there. So certainly this is exciting to have. [1:46:03, 1:46:07]: Yeah. [1:46:10, 1:46:11]: Anybody else, any other questions? Council? [1:46:13, 1:46:30]: All right. So this is uh this ho this is a a public hearing. All right, so uh if you get that time. So anyway, uh comments uh f um for uh this particular project, for this particular project on my on the very uh left. [1:46:30, 1:46:31]: Anybody in the middle? Four. [1:46:32, 1:46:35]: Anybody four. Four. Positive comment. Four. [1:46:35, 1:46:39]: Are you for the project? Are you good o okay, okay, okay. [1:46:39, 1:46:46]: And and on the right side, four. All right. Anybody oppose the project on my far far left. Any oppose the project in the middle? [1:46:47, 1:46:54]: Okay. If c line up on the side over here. Line up on the side. Anybody on my far right that's oppose the project? Okay. So [1:46:54, 1:47:00]: We'll take the first sir go ahead. Whoever's first? Yeah. N name and address, please. [1:47:05, 1:47:25]: Good evening. My name is Jocelyn Williams, 190 Banks Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia. Excellent presentation tonight. However, I am in complete opposition to this rezoning request from the PUD to a PUD master plan development because it would place a hardship on the surrounding area. [1:47:25, 1:47:45]: thinking that 270 plus 94 would be over 300 new residents. And I know that we're talking about traffic lights being installed, but I would like to get more information because it would negatively affect the property that's um not in alignment with the improvement of the roads. [1:47:45, 1:47:55]: [6475.7, 6488.2]: Red Oak where I live and Walt Stevens. So I would like to get more information how these two Reeves Creek would join together with the three hundred new residents that we'll be welcoming to our area. Thank you. [1:48:09, 1:48:13]: Thank you. In person. Name and address, please. [1:48:14, 1:48:21]: My name is Courtney Hunter, State 164, Titan Road, Stockbridge, Georgia, and I am in opposition of the rezoning case RZ. [1:48:22, 1:48:24]: Dash two zero two four dash eleven. [1:48:24, 1:48:31]: Um I feel that basically flippin' road, when you turn off Walt Stevens, where that sign is is where they're supposed to be building. [1:48:31, 1:48:32]: Both of these properties [1:48:33, 1:48:40]: The traffic is already congested on Flippin' Road. They don't have any details of how they're gonna widen this road. [1:48:40, 1:48:44]: how they're gonna put the traffic lights there. You also gotta look at water. [1:48:44, 1:48:50]: Problem stormwater management, traffic utilities, the environmental impact. [1:48:50, 1:48:54]: Um actually traffic and safety, emergency vehicles. [1:48:54, 1:48:59]: Basically stress when you're looking at the traff the street right now, they have daycare a daycare center. [1:49:00, 1:49:12]: on that street and you also have to factor in when people are coming off Walt Stevens and they're turning right, you're now getting into that traffic where border farms subdivision is, where people are trying to use shortcuts to get to the expressway. [1:49:12, 1:49:18]: So you're basically trying to incorporate two subdivisions on a street that's already stressed out. [1:49:19, 1:49:21]: I just feel like you should listen to the community. [1:49:21, 1:49:32]: You ask us to vote for you. I just ask that you please listen to us and listen to our concerns when it comes to building subdivisions. It's already packed there. Traffic is a mess. [1:49:32, 1:49:45]: Flippin' Road is always packed. So it's kinda like if you don't live in this area or near here, you're not experiencing what we're experiencing. And so I'm just asking if you would just please delay this or deny it. [1:49:45, 1:49:48]: Until further more detailed information is provided. [1:49:49, 1:49:57]: To where we can feel comfortable enough to say, yes, we're so we're okay with this subdivision. Thank you very much. Thank you. Sir, name and address, please. [1:49:59, 1:50:19]: Uh my name is Willie Carter, uh address one twenty three Wilson Avenue. I uh oppose this this project. Um I'm gonna rebuttal to um Alexander. Yeah, w the residents not afraid of growth, but you have to do this from a logical standpoint. Seem like the growth that's been going on along with flipping road has been no logic from [1:50:19, 1:50:29]: from n uh I don't wanna say none of you, but mo most of you from up there. So so you got to do stuff, you're gonna do something to have with some kind of logical or with some kind of consideration. [1:50:30, 1:50:35]: Nothing on flipping road is it sh needs to be uh uh [1:50:35, 1:50:47]: Anything else should shouldn't come on Flippin' Road until you do some kind of infrastructure. The infrastructure for Flippin' Road is not there from North Henry all the way to Hudson Bridge. It's not there. The infrastructure is not there. [1:50:47, 1:50:50]: It's not even gonna be sustainable to for what it is now. [1:50:50, 1:50:52]: to which I was talking about bringing in a new sub. [1:50:53, 1:50:55]: And you haven't got the proper infrastructure in right now. [1:50:58, 1:50:59]: You're not you. [1:50:59, 1:51:19]: Oh, thank you very much. Um Ryan, yeah, yeah, gentlemen, why don't you come back to Poldum, all three of you? And uh Mr. uh um Gardner as well, please. Um a couple of things. Um just to make sure that we caught this, I guess. Um the widening there is a plan to widen [1:51:19, 1:51:39]: That's under construction. Right. Okay, so when it comes to uh say Walt round Walt Stevens as you as you go south, excuse me, south. [1:51:39, 1:51:47]: uh towards Hudson Bridge. I mean that's something once again that's in and that's that road is in and out. That area's in and out in the city and in the county. [1:51:47, 1:51:49]: All right, it goes in and out. So [1:51:49, 1:52:01]: Once again, uh besides uh anything that Mr. Alzheimer may say, how about you, Mr. Gardner? You know anything else or Ryan, anything else in reference to what the county's saying about that particular part of the road, anything in the same nature? [1:52:01, 1:52:06]: And and and Hudson Bridge. Hudson Bridge. [1:52:07, 1:52:16]: No, widening of um no, other than they're gonna make some improvements as it relates to side sidewalk, but repaving of the road. [1:52:16, 1:52:23]: Um, as I mentioned before, that area is gonna be problematic for widening because you have to take into account the inner state. [1:52:24, 1:52:26]: You can't there's not enough room to put [1:52:27, 1:52:29]: Two additional liens or three additional liens. [1:52:29, 1:52:40]: under the interchange. You just drive it yourself and you could see the walls from both sides, you'd have to move those which require you to go through a federal process in order to make that happen. Okay. Um [1:52:41, 1:52:41]: You know [1:52:42, 1:52:46]: I know people say, you know, beat the roads, but unfortunate [1:52:47, 1:52:52]: This council, like all councils outside of the city of Atlanta. [1:52:52, 1:52:54]: Um and a few others. [1:52:55, 1:52:57]: Кана так інте акаунт род'. [1:52:58, 1:53:10]: or schools in zoning decisions. Um that's the state law. They are bound by state law when it comes to that. If that was the case, yes, we would have been doing that years ago. Um [1:53:10, 1:53:25]: And unfortunate because the people that own the land who's been here for years and years and years have a right to sell their property obviously for for the highest and best use and sometimes it includes selling it to developers. That's how most of us got here. Um [1:53:25, 1:53:45]: But the key is, I think the developer is showing that and it's required, they're gonna be required to make some improvements along um Flippin' Road from North Henry Boulevard to going towards the intersection of Walt Stevens and Red Oak Road in order to make this development happen. [1:53:45, 1:53:55]: and hopefully over time those improvements will the county be able to make it happen. But the biggest barrier you're gonna have once you go south of the intersection of Walt Stevenson, [1:53:56, 1:54:00]: Walt Stevens and um Red Oak is the interstate. [1:54:00, 1:54:20]: Th there's news on that too. Right. So so really well yeah, the the concern is tire Walps uh uh flipping, but actually from Wall Street was north all the way to North Henry, and of course that's where this developments are coming and you've already added in, sir. There is some decel range, turn lanes, uh uh and a light coming that you are putting in as [1:54:20, 1:54:40]: As well. And what you say, Mr. Gardner, is absolutely right. Law this based on the Georgia law, we can't utilize that trafficking in certain schools and road structure, infrastructure like that, is a denial for any project particular like this. And for another little note, uh, even though an entire council can travel through this area, I will tell you that myself and Miss Gantt living out of [1:54:40, 1:55:00]: immediate area. So we see this as well on a daily basis. So understand clearly what the And to clear it up. Most folks don't realize if you drive Walt Stevens Road, Walt Stevens Road has a huge right of way. That was because Walt Stevens, if you drive that road, it actually goes into Clayton County and it forleans itself. [1:55:00, 1:55:20]: Where 138 bends and goes in. The goal was to widen Walt Stevens from that point where the old pharmacy is. I think it was the Walgreens work there on that bend, was to widen it all the way over to Red to Flippin. Um but the issue was the interstate and that cost. And that plan has been sitting on the state. [1:55:20, 1:55:40]: And by the way, I need to make a note there. I've I've closed that portion of the of the um need to close that portion of the public hearing in reference to the the public speaking, public speaking of the every spokes on that assum. And so any other any [1:55:40, 1:55:43]: Any other things that you want to emphasize, sir, before we take a vote here? [1:55:43, 1:55:57]: I'm gonna be brief, but I I was just there were questions about traffic impacts, environmental impacts, and details. The detail came in phase one, right? We spent a year at least on that rezoning. As you guys heard, it went through the DRI process of the Atlanta Regional Commission, Greta. [1:55:58, 1:56:10]: staff, the surrounding counties and cities all got together and all talked about a lot of the things that that are being talked about tonight. Uh and the the improvements that we're required to make on Flippin' Road were [1:56:10, 1:56:16]: part of the approval of the west side. So they're actually in the zoning conditions. We we can't decide, hey, we don't want to put that turn lane in. [1:56:17, 1:56:35]: Because it's a zoning condition. So so these things uh are happening and they will happen. And the good news is they're gonna happen by us. Nobody's gonna be waiting for the state or Henry County to f figure out what to do. These are coming right now. We got an LDP last week. You'll start to see these improvements pretty soon. And I guess the the only other thing uh I wanna mention just kind of remind everybody of i I mean [1:56:36, 1:56:56]: Again, a lot of the things that were raised just are not on the table tonight, right? This is not a rezoning. You know, the the the the factors that you go through according to the the code address some of the details that were mentioned earlier, but that we're we're past that, right? We were approved for a hundred unit townhome development in Henry County. We were brought into the city. We're happy to be here, by the way. We're ra would rather be here than Henry County. [1:56:56, 1:57:16]: County. Uh but we're just trying to, you know, we we submitted a plan and the question is, are you guys okay with this plan? That's really the question. And I haven't heard anybody complain about the layout of our design or any of that kind of stuff. So that that's really the question on the table tonight. All right. And originally Ryan had mentioned, Sanson had mentioned the conditions uh that you agreed upon, but I think in your presentation, [1:57:16, 1:57:23]: There are some additional uh conditions that need to be added in to make sure we capture everything, is that correct? [1:57:23, 1:57:24]: Yeah, so so [1:57:25, 1:57:35]: The only thing that that I suggested was uh Councilman Alexander had asked about making the overhangs on the buildings metal. So the [1:57:36, 1:57:56]: The overhang over the door, the overhang on the porch, that kind of things have a metal roof and we're we're we're willing to do that. So that's not in the conditions now. If you guys want us to do that, I'd suggest that. Correct. [1:57:56, 1:57:58]: Okay, so we need to make sure we get those in. So that we [1:57:59, 1:58:08]: He Gordon. What he's got he's got him? Well, he needs to come to the mic then. What's I'm sorry, m Miss um uh uh Gordon needs to come to the mic. Go ahead, ma'am. [1:58:14, 1:58:15]: Yes. [1:58:19, 1:58:30]: Yeah. Right. We got a couple more. The ten foot multi-use path along the frontage of um highway of uh flipping road, uh the flock cameras. [1:58:34, 1:58:39]: And the eighteen in the eighteen hundred minimum square feet uh on the [1:58:40, 1:58:48]: on the m uh with an administrative waiver uh for that particular side. And then the one thing that I saw in the um [1:58:49, 1:59:09]: depiction that councilwoman Gann also talks about and we got caught up in it is that the side of the town homes were brick. Not not all of you had the brick front, but the sides on the end camp of you have four in a row or five in a row that the side of those uh units would be brick on the side. Not [1:59:09, 1:59:23]: Not just hardy plank on the side that um the four in a row you would have the composition of brick stone or stuck over there and but the side on the four or five that you would have in a row would be uh brick. [1:59:24, 1:59:39]: Brick veneer what one which are wondering but then we're gonna need to show us on the you need to look on the presentation. On the depiction it was showed as brick, right? Right. Uh so at basically the ends in buildings that are visible. So you come pull in, you see a end of a town home. [1:59:40, 1:59:47]: And it that would have a th i it would be brick on the side and then the front compared to if you had like [1:59:47, 1:59:55]: Um and then the rest of them in between you can't really see that. Right. But if you if you you know, when you're coming coming into an entrance [1:59:56, 2:00:03]: Or exit way or the end of talking about that, Councilmember Gat? Yeah. Right. That's that's is that brick? Yeah. [2:00:04, 2:00:24]: That's brick, right? It's showing a brick, but our condition right now set forth from material material perspective. I don't have the exact percentage up, but there's a specific material requirement that we must abide by. I understand the intent of the desire for brick and and I would like to commit to that. However, from a constructibility perspective, [2:00:24, 2:00:43]: you could see here that some of these um might have a different transition and material type. No, no, we're aware of it when you wrap it around. So if you had like hardy plank at the front and then you just did brick on the side, it would it would not work with water. I'm getting too deep detailed. Yeah. So my my point is is um [2:00:44, 2:00:45]: Uh I [2:00:46, 2:01:06]: She's only talking about the ones that are visible from the street. Like when you're pulling off of a flippin' road and you see the end cap there, the one on the end cap would be brick'cause it would be visible from Flippin' Road and from Fairhaven or the pulling street. Not all of them. Just the ones that are in the public. We understand the mix of the percentage of the material. [2:01:06, 2:01:13]: Even on the front end, I understand that. But that side like because you're having the majority of the percentage, the majority [2:01:13, 2:01:18]: um based off of our code requires brick majority brick, right? And you do have [2:01:18, 2:01:27]: The option for stone and different other materials, however, on those sides, those end caps, those yeah, that's what we're talking about. [2:01:27, 2:01:36]: Um I sure and and for the record, I just want our audience to know what's going on. I don't I think there's a misunderstanding. [2:01:37, 2:01:41]: We can't vote not to have this project. This is not a zoning. [2:01:41, 2:01:45]: hearing. This is not a zoning saying, hey [2:01:45, 2:02:02]: Um whether or not we're gonna change our zoning to allow for town homes to come to take place. That's not what's happening here. That has already taken place. That took place in Henry County. It was already adopted. We cannot what we're uh working on right now is [2:02:02, 2:02:13]: what those what those what that looks like. So I just want you guys to know we can't vote it against a development that was already in place. [2:02:13, 2:02:18]: We're not voting in regards again, we're not voting on the zoning, changing from [2:02:18, 2:02:22]: Um commercial to residential or commercial to town homes. That's not what we're doing. [2:02:23, 2:02:27]: That was already in place. We can't do anything about it. [2:02:28, 2:02:30]: I just need everybody to understand that. [2:02:30, 2:02:35]: No you are that's not enough. Go ahead, please, sir. [2:02:36, 2:02:36]: Okay. [2:02:39, 2:02:57]: Who is that? I was just gonna have it we're we're okay with what you guys are saying about the brick. I was gonna propose sort of the way to do this. If if we add to building facades, you know, you can keep the language that just that's there, but say you know the the end caps visible from the right of way shall be brick or something you know, something along on that along that line. [2:02:57, 2:03:04]: Okay. Yeah. But I think I do want to make a distinction between what you can see from the road and what may be on the backside. Correct. [2:03:04, 2:03:06]: Ms. Barber, you need a comment, please? [2:03:09, 2:03:18]: Okay, this item is just for council's of approval of those three or is it four parcels? Is that what it is? [2:03:19, 2:03:25]: Is that what we're doing? It's three. Okay. Because [2:03:26, 2:03:32]: You didn't hear me? Didn't hear your comment. My question was for this particular item. [2:03:35, 2:03:53]: They're asking for council's consideration to approve the rezoning for those three particular parcels. Is that what we're doing? No ma'am. Uh so that's what the item says on the agenda. Well that's I didn't write that. So that that's not what we asked for. That may be the way it was described in the agenda, but [2:03:53, 2:04:02]: To to build this development, if I knew let's say this property were zoned agricultural. If I wanted to come in and build what I was going to build, I would ask you for a PUD zoning. [2:04:03, 2:04:11]: I already have that because you guys, when you annex this property into the city of Stockbridge, assign the PUZ district district to it. So we have the rezoning. [2:04:12, 2:04:21]: We would not need to be here at all, but for one wrinkle in your code, which is in the PUD zoning district, you've got to approve a master plan. Basically [2:04:21, 2:04:26]: Here's what you're gonna build, because otherwise we could come and just build whatever we wanted to, right? So this is just to show you look. [2:04:27, 2:04:47]: We got 94 townhomes. Here's how we're gonna lay them out. Here's how they're gonna orient to the properties to the east, here where the sidewalks are gonna go, and that kind of thing. So that's why we're here. We have the zoning we need. We can build townhomes, we can build 94 of them. Uh we just but but to get a permit, we gotta have a master plan, and that's what we're here for. And what and that's what we've been talking about tonight. This is these are not. [2:04:47, 2:04:49]: [7490.0, 7501.8]: The drawing in front of you is what we're proposing. Okay. Well what I'd like to ask for is for you to reduce the density. That's what I like to see. But since you already have gone through that process, um [2:05:02, 2:05:13]: We w we have reduced the decline. I'm deeply confused about where we are at this point. So I would even waste your time. I'm just gonna abstain on this. You seem to have the support from the rest of the council. [2:05:13, 2:05:33]: Thank you, sir. All right. So let's say make sure we got all those additional additional conditions that you agreed to besides what Mr. Anderson had mentioned. So stand by. Um Miss Clerk. Okay. Okay. What additional conditions do you have? I'm going to be agreement with you, Mayor. What I'm showing is the overhangs would be milled. [2:05:33, 2:05:35]: [7535.7, 7545.8]: hundred minimum square feet, ten percent rental cap, ten foot paths along the property to um Reeves Creek Trail. [2:05:46, 2:05:50]: Block cameras and the inn buildings would be brick on the side. [2:05:50, 2:05:51]: And uh [2:05:52, 2:05:55]: Front if they're visible from the [2:05:56, 2:05:57]: And street lights. [2:05:58, 2:06:15]: Well the side we were we talking about the fronts too, visible from the right or I thought we were talking about this in caps. Right. You want street lights, what type of street lights are you talking about, sir? Those well those were the well the the custom the decorative street lights along the front. [2:06:15, 2:06:17]: Deglus three lights. [2:06:17, 2:06:29]: Now the qu that that she added that to List. That will be along the path or wherever the path is, the street lights will be along the because there's no street lights over there now. So that's in addition to staff conditions. [2:06:29, 2:06:39]: Yes. Right, right. Now now the question is, are you willing to all these additional type of taskings or conditions that were added, are you all right with all those conditions? [2:06:39, 2:06:50]: Yes, with one clarification. I thought we were talking about was the end caps visible from the right of way shall be all brick. If that's what you just said, then that's we that's I think thought that's what we were talking about. We agree to that. Yes. [2:06:51, 2:06:57]: That is correct, Council. Is that is that correct? That is correct. That is correct, sir. Okay. So we just add a street like [2:06:57, 2:06:57]: Fleck. [2:06:58, 2:07:00]: Flock cameras and street lights you're good with as well. [2:07:01, 2:07:04]: We we agree, yep. All right. So we've got a yes sir. In closing. [2:07:05, 2:07:15]: In closing? Yes, I have a comment. Okay. Well you you you want before the vote or after the vote? Before the vote. Go right here, sir. Well I I just want to thank you again for the presentation. [2:07:15, 2:07:19]: But more importantly, I wanna thank you for clarifying [2:07:20, 2:07:22]: The test at hand tonight. [2:07:22, 2:07:25]: And I want to make sure that folk that are watching. [2:07:25, 2:07:27]: And the folk that are here. [2:07:27, 2:07:33]: to understand that I think Mrs. Gantt sort of emphasized that too. And you came back and emphasized that. [2:07:33, 2:07:40]: So we just want to make it clear, you know, the task at hand tonight. And I just want to thank you for clarifying that. [2:07:41, 2:07:58]: Yes, ma'am. Go ahead please. And one last thing, and I don't know how we can correct this, but item number ten is confusing. It does say rezoning case. So uh it does confuse the audience. It would confuse me, it would confuse anyone, because although it's [2:07:59, 2:08:19]: Uh uh it it will be confusing in thinking that we are voting to rezone something and we're not. Like that's a staff. Okay. All right, so Miss Barney, you can address the Yeah, so very quickly moving forward, I think Ryan and I just uh spoke about this and by that term I think it already gone out, but it should be approval of a master. [2:08:19, 2:08:22]: of a master concept plan versus a rezoning to a rezoning. [2:08:23, 2:08:25]: No, it's a totally different process. [2:08:25, 2:08:27]: Correct. So the motion needs to say that then. [2:08:28, 2:08:48]: Right. But I I also want the agenda to reflect that. And that and that's important. Um, because people will think that we actually did some type of rezoning and we didn't. It was already here. I don't want to not be transparent to the constituents. I believe that we need to maybe I can randomly make a motion. [2:08:48, 2:08:54]: to amend the agenda to read item number 10 as uh modify I mean um [2:08:55, 2:09:00]: uh you know, changing a plan master plan to a I mean changing a [2:09:00, 2:09:09]: Um a plan unit development into a master plan development. I would like to make that motion prior to us making the motion in regards to this hearing. [2:09:09, 2:09:19]: Because I wanna make sure that it's clear that the audience that our constituents because that was their they came up and a lot of people came up and made public comments that weren't [2:09:20, 2:09:34]: We app although I appreciate it, there's nothing we can do by law that are not relevant to what we were actually here to vote on tonight, which is just changing a plan unit development over to approving it as a master plan. [2:09:35, 2:09:42]: And therefore, we want the record to reflect that as well. All right, so that goes into the minutes. So I would like to make a motion to amend. [2:09:43, 2:09:49]: the agenda to change item number ten on the public under public hearing to read [2:09:49, 2:09:55]: to d take out the words rezoning case and change that to a [2:09:55, 2:09:58]: Change of plan unit development. [2:09:58, 2:10:03]: and to in into a plan unit development master plan. [2:10:04, 2:10:04]: I circuit. [2:10:05, 2:10:14]: All right. That's correct verbiage that you need, uh, Mr. Anderson? Yes, sir. Okay, is there is been made motion made in the second. All favor, please indicate. [2:10:15, 2:10:16]: Okay. [2:10:16, 2:10:24]: Um Miss Barber? I will abstain. All right. So three zero one that passes. Okay. Now that we've done that, and matter of fact, Mr. [2:10:25, 2:10:25]: Mr. Washington. [2:10:26, 2:10:27]: That question. [2:10:27, 2:10:28]: Question. Okay. [2:10:28, 2:10:40]: We can d no no no that's no that's no no that was just for send the the title for the uh title for the agenda item. Now it comes to the vote for the actual approval or disapproval. [2:10:40, 2:10:47]: Okay, that's that w that's where the conditions come in. Yes. Mr. Quentin, what we just did is proper, right? From a legal standpoint? Okay, got it, good. Now [2:10:48, 2:10:57]: Okay. Now council need a motion to approve or disapprove this uh this new concept for this master plan with with conditions. So moved. [2:11:00, 2:11:08]: All right. Uh mister Mr Thomas says to so moves there a second. Before let's let me get clarity on the city clerk. [2:11:09, 2:11:10]: Okay. [2:11:10, 2:11:12]: So you're making a motion then, sir. Yeah. [2:11:15, 2:11:35]: Yeah, I mean the the changing of the verbiage for the agenda item itself. I was the very first one. Okay. But now we now it's the motion you made, sir, in reference to the overall item for approval, disapproval. And you move it for approval. For the mass plan. You handed the approval. For the mass plan. Yes. Mr. Alexander is second. All favor, please indicate. With condition. [2:11:34, 2:11:43]: With yeah, with conditions. With conditions, absolutely, with conditions. You second that, right? Ms. Okay, all in favor please syndicate once again. Three, Miss Barber, you're staining. [2:11:44, 2:11:49]: I will abstain. All right. Three zero one motion passed. Congratulations. No problem. [2:11:53, 2:12:13]: Alrighty. Announcements and upcoming events. Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month. City Hall, the Levi meeting room at 6 p.m. January 14th. Planning Commission meeting third Tuesday Thursday of each month, 6:30 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers actually actually says council here. That planning commission meeting. City offices will be closed Monday. [2:12:13, 2:12:33]: January 20th and observed the Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday, where Stockbridge ancestral home and it connects to the community. 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My comments are uh first of all, obviously in the last 10 [2:13:52, 2:14:12]: days or so uh we've been honoring and giving um homage and and uh thinking clearly about the the death of uh Jimmy Carter the third ninth president of the country and of course uh a resident of Georgia and the only president of our country to come out of Georgia so uh obviously um um we uh well wish his family well [2:14:12, 2:14:32]: in this aspect in honor Jamie Carter. Um it is actually January, so it's still flu season, so make sure you get the flu shots, COVID nineteen uh boosters and be healthy. Want everybody to be healthy and make it through the through the winter. And obviously hopefully everybody made it through this little snow snow activity we had for a couple of days. [2:14:32, 2:14:52]: Last several days or so. And um and keeping your prayers to all the individuals and families and businesses and the folks in uh California do the wildfires. The the fires are going wild out in California and all the devastation of that natural disaster. Keep those folks in your prayers'cause obviously they got a they got a rough time right now for [2:14:52, 2:15:01]: m months and months to come. Um on that note we've already had our executive session, so uh I will say to you I need a motion to end our meeting. [2:15:01, 2:15:10]: So moved. Is there a second? Second. From Ms. Gantt and Mr. Alexander. All in favor, please indicate. Okay. Good night, everybody. God bless y'all. We are now adjourned. [2:15:12, 2:15:13]: We got you know what? [2:15:15, 2:15:28]: Mr. Young sent us the email. My mic is off. Right. Yeah, he actually was okay with us announcing about the so tell everybody that the announcement for the amphitheater is tomorrow at ten o'clock. [2:15:28, 2:15:45]: Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, he yeah, he said that to send us an email. I don't see us. Right, he said they're doing it tomorrow again. And he said we should we could announce it tonight. So everybody would do an email. I called them before the meeting. [2:15:49, 2:15:56]: All right. Meeting's closed but one night if the we're still on, yeah. What it is. Just found out that uh our amphitheater manager

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2024-12-17 source: 2024-12-17_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:03]: Cynthia Jenkins, if you'd come forward and give an invocation, please stand if you can. [0:00:10, 0:00:14]: Is a m is a mic on? Is a green light on? Green light. [0:00:14, 0:00:16]: There we go. Thank you. [0:00:17, 0:00:37]: Let us pray. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you so much for bringing us together today to discuss the business of the city, the great city of Stockbridge. Bless each person that is here. Bless each person that is in charge to make sure that this city goes forward in the way that you would have. Bless the staff, bless the citizens, and bless this community. In Jesus' name we pray. [0:00:37, 0:00:51]: Amen. Amen. Do the pledge allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which we stand. One nation, underground, individual, with liberty and justice. [0:00:52, 0:00:55]: Roll call, Madam Klerk. [0:01:03, 0:01:03]: Evening. [0:01:05, 0:01:05]: Present. [0:01:10, 0:01:14]: Present. Council Member Barber. Present. Council Member Gantt. [0:01:15, 0:01:35]: That the record reflect Council Member Gantt is not in attendance. Councilmember Thomas. Mayor Ford, you have a court. And this is um some property that's on the uh Black Hall area along the uh sub. [0:01:35, 0:01:48]: subdiv near the subdivision of um mannerly and deals with septic tank issues, but uh they want to withdraw, so we're not gonna have them this evening at all. On that note, then I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:01:49, 0:02:09]: Okay, so move. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, sir. I'm glad I didn't see you. That's okay, sir. Um good evening, Mayor. Council. Um I think the issue was y'all wanted to let wanted us to find out if they were if there was sewer availability for them to connect to. And according to staff, there is no sewer there. So they would have to meet the health department guidelines as it relates to sewer septic. [0:02:09, 0:02:23]: Which is typically I think about an acre and a half or acre and a quarter lot in order for septic. And it also has the source of the be correct in order for it to get the authority to build on the lot from the health department. [0:02:23, 0:02:41]: Okay. So so that's the reason for withdrawing. Okay. Okay. Thank you, sir. I I guess and are there any questions for the council on that? I suppose that uh Uh yeah. Uh well we'll talk about it all. Okay, all right, got it. All right, so uh thank you, Mr. Gardner, for that. Uh once again, uh uh council any uh uh motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:02:42, 0:02:47]: So move. Is there a second? Second. Okay, from Mr. Alexander and Mr. Berry. All in favor, please indicate. [0:02:49, 0:03:09]: All right. Okay, unanimous decision on that note. Re uh council, review your minutes. Review the minutes of December 9th, 2024 council meeting. Uh if there are no changes to that, then I need a motion to accept those minutes into the record as well. So move. I'm s I'm sorry, excuse me. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. [0:03:08, 0:03:28]: not happen until our main meeting. Excuse me. My my bag. I okay. I just if you need any changes to this uh uh minutes or whatnot, please let the uh the clerk know and they'll we'll review the actually approve these minutes at our next uh uh formal council meeting which won't be actually until twenty twenty five in that aspect. Okay. Excuse me for that. Uh public comments. Madam Clerk do we have any public comments? [0:03:28, 0:03:48]: No public comments. Okay. Uh before you council, I have a consent agenda. And this is Council of Consideration to reappoint the Stockbridge representative to the Henry County Transportation Advisory Group Member in L Gonzalez to a two-year term. Council of Consideration approved the resolution for the renewal of the Georgia City solution. [0:03:48, 0:04:08]: City of Civility Designation. Council of Consideration approved the GMA Germat ST STSD first responder program in amount of$10,000. Council of Consideration approved the annual work compensation renewal with key risk an amount of$119,000 for$199,000. [0:04:08, 0:04:28]: $19,419. And council consideration to approve the renewal of the city's wellness program and engagement health group in amount of$55,450. And then you also also a consent agenda for the 2025 municipal court hearing dates. So those on the consent agenda I have a motion to [0:04:28, 0:04:30]: [274.1, 275.0]: Was there a second? [0:04:37, 0:04:44]: Yes. Okay, Miss I've come from Mr. Alexander to Mr. Berry. All in favor, please indicate. Case unanimous decision. Thank you very much, Council. [0:04:50, 0:05:05]: Old business council consideration to approve the vehicle vehicle lease program with enterprise fleet management for public works and the police department vehicles. Uh I have here Mr Aaron and and Mr and Chief Tremor is the to present this item. [0:05:07, 0:05:08]: Thank you, gentlemen. Please come forward. [0:05:15, 0:05:17]: Uh good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council. [0:05:17, 0:05:28]: We have here with us tonight Mr. Tajay Bodrick with Enterprise uh and he will be here presenting the lease options for the city of Stockbridges vehicle. [0:05:29, 0:05:29]: Well, thank you. [0:05:38, 0:05:58]: Good evening. Good evening to you. Uh to tonight I'm accompanied by uh Kat Farber. She will be here with me presenting tonight. Um my plan tonight is to really just go to further dive into the analysis that we presented the last time we were here. But I really want to uh dive more into that analysis and further explain why other municipalities are partnering with Enterprise Fleet Management and then I'll [0:05:58, 0:06:04]: I'll open it up for some questions at the end should you guys have any. Does that sound fair? Sure, no problem. Yes, it does. It's good. Awesome. [0:06:05, 0:06:07]: Um are you guys putting anything up? [0:06:10, 0:06:11]: Oh no. [0:06:15, 0:06:17]: Pinquin the target. [0:06:18, 0:06:20]: On the same return to the five. [0:06:23, 0:06:30]: Uh that's fine. Thank you. I can start there. Perfect. Thank you. Awesome. [0:06:33, 0:06:53]: So, first let's start off with just explaining who Enterprise is. Um, October of 2023, Enterprise changed their name to Enterprise Mobility. Really, the mission here was to just reinforce our commitment to being a total transportation solution provider and all of your transportation needs. So, outside of fleet management, we have 11 other business lines to help you with any of your transportation needs. [0:06:53, 0:06:54]: Yeah. [0:06:54, 0:07:14]: Um currently today we're partnered with over 40 municipalities right here in Metro Atlanta. Here are just a few that I'm pretty sure you guys know. But all of these municipalities partner with Enterprise by piggybacking off of the source well contract that's been awarded to Enterprise for fleet management. Essentially what this does is it's kind of uh it's vetted out the program itself. [0:07:14, 0:07:20]: is negotiated pricing for you all to make that process of the your due diligence process a lot smoother for you all, okay? [0:07:22, 0:07:42]: So, why do municipalities really partner with enterprise? When we look at a municipality, we're able to help them in pretty much three categories, and that's going to be financially, operationally, and then administratively. Financially, we're able to help you expand your budget or purchase more vehicles using less dollars. Operationally, we will analyze your flu. [0:07:42, 0:08:02]: And by identifying vehicles to replace that are aging in your fleet, by replacing these vehicles, what this allows you to do is one, reduce downtime, but it also allows you to minimize and avoid the random repairs that happen on aged vehicles. Another part of that operational piece is the maintenance oversight that our expert team provides to your local. [0:08:02, 0:08:22]: your local team itself here and giving them recommendations on which repairs are needed for vehicles and if that repair should be done or not. On the admin side, we look at everything on a cent per mile basis. So what this does for you all is it allows you all to make calculated decisions on how and when to replace the vehicles, making sure that we're making the best use of the city's dollars. [0:08:26, 0:08:40]: All right, so the unique thing about enterprises, when we look at fleet, we look at it in a holistic view. So our goal typ typically your when you look at your expenses, they're broken down into two different categories. You have your capital budget and you have an operational budget. [0:08:40, 0:09:00]: The way we really control these categories is one with capital side, that's gonna be our depreciation of a vehicle. So the way we actually control that is identifying the right time to sell that vehicle. And the way you calculate that is what you buy the vehicle for, less what you sell that vehicle for. And that's gonna be on your capital side. Now, operationally, the way we control our operational expenses is [0:09:00, 0:09:20]: By one with fuel efficiency. So by operating more fuel efficient vehicles, and then when it comes to the maintenance side, by replacing those older vehicles, that again is going to eliminate that downtime, but also avoid you from paying those high-dollar maintenance expenses as vehicles get older in age. And when you combine all of those together, what you get is a total of [0:09:20, 0:09:21]: fleet impact. [0:09:23, 0:09:33]: So the philosophy behind enterprise really is to identify what is that optimal time. So when we're looking at a vehicle's effective life cycle, we have three determining factors here. [0:09:34, 0:09:54]: That's gonna be your depreciation, your fuel, and then maintenance. So obviously, as we all know, when you first buy a vehicle, it depreciates immediately, right? But as time goes on, when you look at things, you say, okay, well, if I just buy a vehicle, it just depreciates, but then I'm done. But that's not really necessarily true. We also have to worry about the other two factors, and that's gonna be your fuel and your [0:09:53, 0:10:13]: Maintenance piece. So what we do is we identify when is the right time to replace that vehicle. And that time is typically when those lines start to intersect each other. So that's replacing that vehicle before the value of the vehicle, the resale value of the vehicle is non-existent, but also replacing the vehicle before your maintenance costs outweigh the actual cost of the vehicle itself. [0:10:13, 0:10:17]: And that's when we find that optimal time. So that can be [0:10:17, 0:10:25]: Completely different for several different types of vehicles, but what we do is we identify that time depending on the vehicle's type and its usage. [0:10:27, 0:10:38]: So, um, what I've been tasked with here is to separate your public works department and your police department. So for this segment here, I'm s I'm solely focusing on the public works department itself. [0:10:38, 0:10:42]: So when I look at your public works department, you guys have forty-nine vehicles. [0:10:42, 0:11:02]: Twenty-eight out of those 49 vehicles are 10 years or older, which is causing you guys today to spend about$137 a month on your maintenance. Now by replacing these older vehicles with newer vehicles, we're able to reduce that$137 per month per vehicle down to$46.96. And that's solely by replacing old vehicles with new vehicles. [0:11:03, 0:11:17]: Today you guys are pretty much acquiring three vehicles a year or on a 16-year replacement plan. But with the plan that we've put together, that will move you guys over to a five-year replacement plan, saving you$102,000 over the course of 10 years. And that's just for the public works department. [0:11:20, 0:11:40]: So outside of just replacing older vehicles and controlling a fleet impact, one really important factor is safety. And that's something that we kind of go to the wayside at times. So when you look at your fleet, um every every five years, manufacturer the feds may require manufacturers to update. [0:11:40, 0:12:00]: There are standard regulations or standard options that they have in vehicles. So as you see here, 2007, 2012, 2018, and 2023, options become standard and you can see which percentage of your fleet does not have these options. Now the reason this is important to you is because you want to make sure that your your employees that are driving for the city of Stockbridge are driving safe vehicles, right? [0:11:59, 0:12:13]: All right, so as of today, we have 80% of your vehicles are older than 2018. So that means 80% of your vehicles do not have forward collision warning, blind spot monitoring, offset crash testing and rear um and rear cameras. [0:12:16, 0:12:18]: So what this looks like for the public works department. So [0:12:19, 0:12:39]: My goal behind showing the slide here is two things. Um, when you think of enterprise fleet management, what we're coming to you as is being a consultant, something similar to your your fleet or your financial advisor. We're here to make recommendations on how to lower your total cost of ownership or lower that fleet impact. And what that looks like here for you guys today is we [0:12:39, 0:12:48]: We're put you on a model to where you're placing vehicles every year and what we're doing is we're identifying models that are over a certain age point and a certain mileage point. [0:12:50, 0:12:53]: As we continue to go down, the next thing is going to be your police department. [0:12:54, 0:13:14]: Now, the thing with the police department, Commissioner Barber, I believe you said this the last time, one of the big concerns was that um in 2022 the police department made a very, very large purchase that we would like to try to avoid. And what I've done today is I've created a plan that will allow the police department to continue replacing vehicles that will stop us from spending over a million dollars replacing. [0:13:14, 0:13:30]: replacing those vehicles all at one time. I believe that number that you guys used to replace um those fifty vehicles is closer to about three point four million dollars that you spent back in twenty twenty two. So what I'm looking to do is to find an effective way to continue replacing these vehicles so that way we're not spending all of that money all at one time for you. [0:13:31, 0:13:34]: Now I'm sure right now you're asking, well, how do we do that? [0:13:34, 0:13:54]: Well, we have three different options when it comes to funding a vehicle itself. You can pay cash for the vehicle, you can finance the vehicle, or you can do what the other 42 Metas Hallies are doing. That's using the enterprise open-ended leasing model. What that looks like is we're taking a same scenario for all three different options. We have a$50,000 budget over the course of five years. [0:13:54, 0:14:14]: If we're to pay cash with a$50,000 budget, we're able to purchase two vehicles,$25,$25,000 apiece. If we're financing the vehicles, we're able to purchase two vehicles a year.$10,000 a year over five years will give us$50,000. However, we have another option that all the other municipalities are using, and this is allowing them to purchase more vehicles. [0:14:14, 0:14:26]: using the same amount of dollars. And as you can see in this example here, what you're able to do is purchase more vehicles by because now what you're doing is just you're spending three thousand dollars per year versus spending five thousand or twenty five thousand at one time. [0:14:30, 0:14:36]: So what this looks like on a total out on the outlays side here, the vehicle cost is exactly the same. [0:14:36, 0:14:54]: We sell the vehicle for exactly the same,$15,000. But what you will see is that you're able to purchase 16 vehicles versus two vehicles or versus 10 vehicles because the amount that you're paying on your um the your yearly payments are less over the other two options. [0:14:57, 0:14:58]: So [0:14:58, 0:15:11]: Kind of going back to the public workside here. We originally put together a model that would show the public workside we're placing 25 vehicles the very first year. Again, the reason the way we came up with this is because we've identified vehicles that are [0:15:11, 0:15:31]: at a certain age point, a certain mileage point. And by replacing these vehicles, we understand that this is going to immediately impact the city of Stockbridge. By replacing these older vehicles, what we will do in the very first year is reduce that maintenance cost because now we're not doing what we're not doing is paying for maintenance on older vehicles. We're simply paying maintenance on new vehicles that are active in the fleet. So [0:15:31, 0:15:31]: [933.2, 933.9]: Now [0:15:34, 0:15:54]: Like I said before, the reason I wanted to show this slide is because we are a similar to what you consider as a financial advisor. We're here to give you recommendations on how to spend money. Now, we originally presented the plan of replacing the 25 vehicles in the very first year, but we were then to ask, hey, can we streamline this plan? Can we start slow? And the answer is yes. [0:15:54, 0:16:01]: Tell me to decide to do whatever you like to do. What we will do is continue doing this analysis, and then what we'll show is that. [0:16:01, 0:16:21]: Before we were to put you on a plan that showed you 102,000 savings over the course of 10 years. This plan here, you see that the savings is 29,000. But what you'll see is the differences because we're not replacing those 25 vehicles the first year. The reason you see less savings is because now we're only replacing 10 vehicles, and your uh reduction in maintenance spend is very less. [0:16:21, 0:16:35]: less than what it was on the slide that we did before. Now again, like I said, you guys have the autonomy to replace exactly whatever vehicles you like. I'm here to make sure that I'm providing you the lowest total cost of to operate the vehicles itself. [0:16:38, 0:16:58]: Now when it comes to the police department, it's a little bit different. So the police departments, roughly, if they were to go out to purchase a vehicle today, they're looking at about$74,000 to purchase one vehicle. And that includes aftermarket equipment, purchasing the vehicle, upfitting the vehicle with your lights, your siren, all of your decals. You're looking at about a total of$74,000. [0:16:57, 0:17:00]: Um this year here. [0:17:01, 0:17:21]: The vehicles are 2022, so your vehicles right now are two years old. So in 2024, you don't have anything to replace. But by the end of 2025, the City of Stockbridge is gonna have to make a decision to start replacing some vehicles. And we're gonna have to decide if we're gonna spend again to replace these 16 vehicles that are gonna be above that mileage point. Are we going to go out and spend [0:17:21, 0:17:38]: $1.1 million to replace 16 vehicles every year for the next five years after 2025, or are we going to be able to use a sustainable plan that will allow us to place these 16 16 vehicles for$87,000, for$326,000? [0:17:39, 0:17:59]: The one thing that's left out of this analysis here that you're not seeing on this slide is the actual resale. And that's where enterprise really makes a strong impact. Today, what you're doing is you're holding onto your vehicles until pretty much the wheels fall off. Or what we're doing is we're selling our vehicles on govdeals.com or maybe even at an auction. The way we really separate ourselves is because we have our [0:17:59, 0:18:19]: Own separate remarketing team. And what their goal is, is to sell vehicles above black book average. So last year, enterprise just here in Atlanta, we sold over 80,000 vehicles, and we sold all of those vehicles 11% above black book average. So what that means to you, that's an additional anywhere from a dollar amount, that's an additional 16 to 25%. [0:18:19, 0:18:39]: four hundred dollars back to your pockets for you guys just in resale. And that's what separates us from you guys separ selling vehicles. Let's face it, at the end of the day if I tried to go out and sell a vehicle just by myself, I would have a very hard time. But this is a a billion dollar company that goes out and sells vehicles every day and that's what we pride ourselves in. We're experts in selling vehicles. [0:18:41, 0:18:58]: Another big piece of our program is gonna be the maintenance piece. For the public works vehicles, we're gonna put these vehicles on a full maintenance program. What that means is that you guys are able to plan the cost for your maintenance out. The maintenance number doesn't change, and you guys are able to take your vehicles to your local shops. [0:18:58, 0:19:03]: Best thing about that is we're putting money back to the city. We're um [0:19:03, 0:19:07]: Putting money back to the city so that's increasing your tax dollars there. [0:19:07, 0:19:27]: Uh the next program is just gonna be for your maintenance your maintenance management program, really for your police vehicles themselves. What this is gonna allow you to do is have that expert oversight of the maintenance programs, making sure that we're getting the right things done to the vehicles at the right time. I mean I'll I'll be honest, if we ever take a vehicle to a shop and they tell us that something's wrong with a vehicle and we have no clue what they're talking about. [0:19:27, 0:19:47]: Well, that's where our team comes in. They know they used to work in these shops, they're ASC certified technicians, that when they get presented with an issue that's wrong with the vehicle, and someone tells them, Hey, this may take six hours to repair, they can come back and say, No, I'm sorry, that doesn't take six hours to repair, that only takes four hours to repair. They're able to negotiate that on your behalf. [0:19:47, 0:19:51]: which in turn is gonna save you money just in labor costs and parts. [0:19:54, 0:20:14]: So what does this mean for City of Stockbridge? Well financially, we're able to help you guys save over three million dollars over the next five years. Operationally, we'll provide more expert uh vehicle expertise to help your local your uh your admin team. And then administratively, we'll be able to give you guys uh data to make calculated decisions on how to operate your fleet. [0:20:14, 0:20:16]: and went to make some replacements. [0:20:17, 0:20:25]: Um I went through that fast, but did ar um just want to kind of get to the end and ask if there's any questions. I did want to open this up and give you guys a chance to ask some questions for me. [0:20:28, 0:20:30]: Any council, any questions at this moment? [0:20:31, 0:20:31]: Yeah. [0:20:32, 0:20:40]: I got a couple. You got you got a few? Go right here, sir. Yeah, so well, Mr. Aaron and Chief, will y'all come back up here too? [0:20:48, 0:21:08]: Certainly in the ideal world we would be replacing vehicles, you know, very on a rapidly basis, but how do we factor in that these vehicles were brand new when we bought them for basically two years ago, and that now basically we're going in from a situation where we own these vehicles. [0:21:08, 0:21:28]: vehicles to uh leasing them. But certainly um we want to get the best use out of the fact that we paid for them in full with with these uh federal funds that we receive. So it will we gradually work our way into this program or tell me exactly how does that work certainly [0:21:28, 0:21:35]: We're not gonna be just dumping two year old vehicles into the system on how that worked. [0:21:35, 0:21:42]: No, at the end of the day, we're always gonna sell the vehicles for you, which in turn will help you replace those vehicles. Well I'm sorry, but that that question was for the chief. Okay. [0:21:44, 0:21:57]: Yeah, so um what they've done is taken an evaluation of the vehicles and they've looked at mileage with us having take home vehicles, obviously people live closer. Uh those people are gonna have less miles so those vehicles will not be in the initial replacement cycle. [0:21:58, 0:22:18]: If you noted in 2025 it's looking at, I believe, eight vehicles to be replaced in the twenty twenty-five cycle. That's based upon projected mileage. So we would start with eight vehicles in twenty twenty five, I think sixteen in twenty twenty six, and over the course of the five years that fleet would be recycled based upon um how those vehicles are trending in uh mileage. Uh as was [0:22:18, 0:22:38]: Mentioned the benefit here is obviously there's a cost savings from the standpoint of not having to pay those funds up front to uh purchase and upfit those vehicles. Um, but also I think there's a benefit as was indicated on the resale side. Uh right now we would [0:22:38, 0:22:50]: have to put those vehicles on uh open gub, we would have to negotiate to sell those vehicles when you have enterprise at uh large market that's able to get the best value out of those vehicles and return those funds uh to the city. [0:22:50, 0:23:09]: plus the uh the cost on maintenance. And one of the things that wasn't mentioned in your presentation that I think is worthwhile and was probably another one of your questions is we did factor in electric vehicles as part of this replacement program. So the funding that you saw there does take into account uh the acquisition of uh EV vehicles in what was quoted out for us as well. [0:23:10, 0:23:18]: Okay. All right. So what is the mileage threshold that you're using to okay, let's say, well, it's time to go ahead and move in another direction. What's the threshold? [0:23:20, 0:23:40]: The last part. What's the mileage threshold? The city side or your side or versus the city side? When we worked out a number that says this is the mileage threshold? Yeah. So each vehicle we look at differently. So your threshold is gonna be completely different for your public works than what it would be for your police department. Um when I mentioned that optimal time to replace the vehicle. [0:23:40, 0:24:00]: Vehicle. Typically that time is going to be right around that hundred thousand mile mark for really one main reason. That's typically when you'll see that your manufacturer's powertrain warranty will um go away. And that's because your manufacturers don't have faith in the vehicles holding up after 100,000 miles. So if like Chief was saying, you have vehicles that are on separate mileage patterns. Some people take vehicles home, some people don't take vehicles home. [0:23:59, 0:24:19]: Um so when we're gonna identify these vehicles, obviously we're not gonna be able to pinpoint exactly right at 100,000 miles. So we'll out of these 16 vehicles, they're basically following to a parameter um of between 80 and 100,000 miles that we'll start targeting them to be replaced. Now I when we replace a vehicle, we're not just gonna sign a document and the vehicle will be here. The vehicles will [0:24:19, 0:24:39]: With especially your police vehicles, they're gonna take anywhere from seven to ten months to be upfitted. They have to come in to get ordered, and then we have to rely on an upfitter to install the equipment on to them themselves. So that's why we proactively look at these vehicles so that way we can order vehicles ahead of time. So that way by the time they do reach that, say 80 to 100,000 miles, we already have a vehicle. [0:24:39, 0:24:41]: Vehicle on order and ready to be replaced. [0:24:42, 0:25:02]: Okay, so at this point we're anticipating that we'll have eight vehicles at about a hundred thousand miles at that time. Some of that too, as he indicated, you all know I'm sure you owned a lot of vehicles throughout the course of your time that some vehicles require more maintenance than others. And so if we're running into an issue where we're seeing significant maintenance [0:25:01, 0:25:13]: cost. It may not be at the hundred thousand mark. It may be as it relates to uh what we're spending on that vehicle, which is why it's situational. But in general, it's about a hundred thousand miles and four years of service out of those vehicles. [0:25:13, 0:25:18]: Okay. So wha how many E B vehicles do you have on your list, G? [0:25:19, 0:25:39]: Um we we're our goal is ten percent of the fleet to be uh EV. I know that in this upcoming year we're looking at acquiring six electric vehicles. Um I believe that this plan I don't know what did we spec out the four electric and four non electric. Four electric, four non-electric for twenty twenty five. So that'll put us at [0:25:39, 0:25:59]: 10 electric vehicles by 2025 for the police fleet, and then we will work those in moving forward. You know, we have some things that we have to address in terms of infrastructure to make sure that we have those things in place to be able to accommodate that size. And so we have a gradual plan to grow that and expand uh electric vehicles as we [0:25:59, 0:26:03]: Okay, does the enterprise assist with the infrastructure or no? [0:26:06, 0:26:26]: Hi, Cat Farber. So we do assist with the infrastructure from the standpoint of we partner with a third party vendor, Qmerit. They do our um infrastructure studies to see based off of the vehicles that you have what type of electricity you need, things like that. And we will help connect you with all the partners that are pre-vetted through our program to help with that process. [0:26:27, 0:26:46]: Does that include funding or is that just recommendation? Oh well, if you would like to capitalize in the leases, we can do that as well. Typically it's so uh a lot of cities would would be eligible for grants, things like that, which we would just help connect you if you were eligible for the grant with, you know, our uh folks to uh run through. [0:26:46, 0:26:50]: Okay, Mr. Aaron, how many E V vehicles do you have in your fleet coming here? [0:26:51, 0:27:08]: So well first the first thing we want to start off public works has a lot of specialty vehicles. We've spoken with them about like street sweepers, because Stormwater's talking about buying another street sweeper. They're two hundred and seventy plus thousand dollars. We need a bucket truck. Those two hundred [0:27:09, 0:27:29]: plus thousand dollars. So E V is the administrative, we might have three or four depending on people that are are locally like meter readers or something like that. But most of our vehicles E V doesn't work in a lot of applications for us, but we'll have about three or four E V in terms of general [0:27:29, 0:27:30]: Maintenance it doesn't work. [0:27:31, 0:27:51]: No, sir. Because it's just the things that they're doing, stopping and going and things like that, because they're here and there, then the battery doesn't stay charged as long and things of that nature. And some of these vehicles, like when they're fixing a water leak, you can run a a pump off it while the vehicle is running. [0:27:51, 0:28:11]: So you need that if you were running a pump that's connected to a battery, it's gonna drain that battery faster if it's an EV vehicle. You know, certainly uh certain apparatuses are gonna be prohibitive. If someone is a supervisory position, going around stop general maintenance, checking out the different stops. [0:28:11, 0:28:31]: and what have you, you get up to 300 miles uh on the battery life now, I'm I'm I'm told. So how would that be any different than in uh doing using uh and using a regular gasoline powered vehicle besides the maintenance would be lower. My my interest is in this whole system here is lowering the cost. [0:28:31, 0:28:51]: And and and I know there's gonna be some natural resistance to changing to E V vehicles, but if we can get as many as we can to not replace transmissions, to not replace radiators, to not replace all of that j that maintenance, it's always running up our bill till you say a hundred and s hundred thousand dollars. [0:28:51, 0:29:04]: so to speak, then why wouldn't we do that? So any vehicle that we're able to use and to replace, and it's gonna take some natural training for the staff to be to grow accustomed to that. I certainly wouldn't [0:29:04, 0:29:21]: be emphasizing any heavy use vehicles, but certainly we have, like you said, the meter readers, you have uh low maintenance general activities that should be able to qualify for that. So in this calendar year coming up, how many uh electric vehicles do you have programmed? [0:29:21, 0:29:37]: See, w what we need this year, they're non-electric vehicles. Like I said, we need a we need another street sweeper. We need a bucket truck that we use on a frequent basis. And sewer, they might have a a vac truck. [0:29:37, 0:29:57]: We're gonna assess the Public Works Department and see which which operations we can phase the E V vehicles into. We don't have an issue with using'em, but we gotta have the resources and infrastructure available because right now the only things you have available are at City Hall for city staff and vehicles got over [0:29:57, 0:30:17]: plus thousand dollars worth of tools and parts on it. You don't want to just out here in the open at City Hall. So as we go about getting infrastructure and things like that, we're gonna meet with enterprise as well to identify vehicles that we can transition to EV. Because one of the things when and we had a conversation with staff about EV vehicles is [0:30:17, 0:30:37]: Who services them if we buy'em? Is it the same as a phone? You know, you used to could change the battery on a cell phone. Now it's just cheaper to buy a new phone. So when the battery in an E B vehicle becomes to the end of life, do we replace the battery or do we end up buying another vehicle? So they're they standing right behind you. They just said they have many. [0:30:37, 0:30:56]: That's a conversation we gotta we give them our operations, what do we use our vehicles for primarily, and then they can right-size it based on the usage of those vehicles saying, yeah, this would be a good fit for an EV application. This might not be. So we have no issues with having EV vehicles. [0:30:56, 0:31:16]: So the ones that we use in the city on a daily basis that can meet that standard, then we'll transition to EV. We don't have an issue with that. Well you uh my question was how many do you have programmed this year? So you're telling me the only vehicles that you're going to be purchasing are heavy use vehicles and that you don't have any general use vehicles that you're required. [0:31:16, 0:31:36]: So because we don't have the infrastructure. If I buy get four if I get four E B vehicles, I have nowhere to charge them. Answer the question. But do you have regular general maintenance vehicles that you're replacing? You have indicated that you only have heavy use vehicles. Do you have regular general use vehicles? [0:31:36, 0:31:56]: That you are replacing this year? Not for a because we don't have the infrastructure to charge those. You didn't answer my question. Are you replacing regular general use vehicles this year? We are replacing, we're proposing to replace a street sweeper. We're proposing to replace some sewer vehicles. [0:31:56, 0:32:00]: And we not at this time we don't have any [0:32:00, 0:32:20]: plans to implement in twenty twenty five any E V vehicles at this moment, but we will meet with them when we sit down and strategize. I say there's no infrastructure if I buy a vehicle, I don't have anywhere to charge it. You can charge it right there behind City. No, but we got vehicles out there that's gonna be charging overnight. Nobody's [0:32:20, 0:32:23]: And the police station right across the street. [0:32:24, 0:32:44]: So I I I I I see listen, I don't want to beat you up, but I hear excuses. And in the end, if the police department is right across the street and somebody goes and steals a hundred thousand dollars worth of equipment, we got a problem. We really do. And certainly I want to look at that from a standpoint of I asked a question three times. [0:32:44, 0:33:04]: Are you replacing any general maintenance vehicles? Are you getting any F-150s? Are you getting any uh you know Maverick trucks? Are you getting any general maintenance trucks that might be qualifying for this particular uh for this? If that is the case, I would like for you to move forward as my recommendation as one of [0:33:04, 0:33:24]: One of the council members to purchase some EV vehicles, just like the chief has recommended. He did not remember recommend replacing all of his vehicles, but he's at least dipping his toe into the water. We have had this same resistance three years in a row, about the same program. We're never gonna get started unless we have some. [0:33:24, 0:33:44]: Vehicles come and get laid out. And again, I heard you say, sir, implicitly, that you have a maintenance program where you work with us on these vehicles that will lower the cost. And then I heard some concern in the past years. Well, what if the battery goes out? Well, I'll tell you what, I guess you probably got [0:33:43, 0:33:46]: Probably got'em up under warranty for that period, right? [0:33:47, 0:34:07]: Yes, and to answer your question, the vehicles that were included in this original analysis were we're solely looking at the water and sewer department. So that would consist of F-250s and F-350s. Um to my knowledge, right now, they don't make electric F-250s or F-350s. Okay. But again, we're here to make recommendations for you. If you guys say, Hey, we got we want you to look at vehicles that are going to be electric vehicles to satisfy the [0:34:07, 0:34:27]: same use, that's can be done as well. Right. Um and that's what I'm trying to parse the words to say. I know they're not any F two fifties or F F three fifties, okay? But when there comes up a time where we have a F one fifty or a Maverick or we have a Sevilla silver route or whatever a regular used vehicle [0:34:27, 0:34:42]: So I want these vehicles to be in the mix between those choices, not just saying we're gonna go with a gasoline powered vehicle if you have one available. So if there is one available and the gas power, what is there, a cost difference between the two? Okay. [0:34:42, 0:34:54]: Yes, sir. And that's one of the the pieces. So to just back up a little bit, when you partner with enterprise, we're meeting three to four times a year with the leadership team of the city and going line by line through the fleet. [0:34:54, 0:35:14]: What does it do? What's its application? What vehicles are eligible? From there, if EV is on the table, then what we're doing is putting an analysis together and measuring it cent per mile. It's two ways to measure a vehicle, engine hours, and miles. So there is a much heavier cost burden for electric vehicles on the front end. And the challenge is that the resale market for it is not [0:35:14, 0:35:32]: as well known. It has taken a hard hit over the last year because it was flooded with a certain model of vehicle summer of last year. So what does that mean for the city? It means it's going to be a very expensive buy and it's not going to be as strong of a sell. So that comes with a cost. We present that to the CENI [0:35:32, 0:35:40]: And again, you choose to move forward with maybe one of them as opposed to looking at it versus a hybrid vehicle, which typically gives you the best balance of. [0:35:40, 0:35:50]: actual total cost impact. But we will look at that, we will give the analysis, we will give the pros, the cons, and we will present that to your city administration team for them to tell us what they'd like to move forward with. [0:35:51, 0:36:01]: I certainly would appreciate that and then being able to put that all on the table because there's even more i important factor than money. Exactly. Yes, sir. [0:36:01, 0:36:21]: It's the carbon footprint. It is what we're leaving for our children and the condition of the planet is a lot is is very important to me uh as well. So certainly I want to look at those aspects. I want to do that. And again, I thank you, Chief, for uh going ahead and moving ahead with that. I wanna see every [0:36:21, 0:36:30]: City department, go ahead and move forward with that. I know you say what that was only things that uh what the other departments weren't submitted to you? [0:36:30, 0:36:32]: Uh Lexa, when we did our original analysis [0:36:32, 0:36:52]: Uh I put together a model to show replacing 25 vehicles. Uh they wanted to take a slow approach into the program because it's new, which is understandable. So he's decided to start with just the water and the sewer department. And that's what I was saying. It consisted of F-250s and F-350s. So that we're not saying that we can't go back and look at electric vehicles. The original analysis I presented was 25, but the second one was [0:36:52, 0:37:12]: Only 10. So there's 15 more vehicles here that still are required, or have an opportunity to be replaced. And as Kat just said, we're going to continue meeting with you year over year and continue to do that same 10-year model that I showed you. So next year, just to give you an example, if we start with 10 vehicles this year, that means next year when we revisit this, instead of it being 10 vehicles [0:37:12, 0:37:27]: Again, our recommendation is still going to be 25 because you still have those old 15 vehicles that can be replaced. The goal here is to continue reducing your costs. And the only way we can reduce costs is by putting you on a sustainable plan that replaces these vehicles as they age. [0:37:27, 0:37:44]: Right, and certainly my last comment is gonna be I won't ask him for my own personal opinion. I wanna look at every department. No one should be off from the clerk's office to the the city hall fleet for the council. Everybody should be looked at. Thank you. [0:37:45, 0:37:47]: Mr Thomas, go ahead please, sir. Did you want to go first? [0:37:49, 0:38:03]: Okay. Uh first of all, let me just thank you for the presentation. And as you can see, uh this is a very important issue when we talk about uh vehicles for the city. [0:38:04, 0:38:11]: I I have a couple of questions and concerns, but mostly for uh Chief Chamber and um Mr. Aaron. [0:38:12, 0:38:13]: And and and [0:38:14, 0:38:15]: And [0:38:15, 0:38:22]: I I know Councilman Alexander was was pretty lengthy um with with that dialogue. [0:38:22, 0:38:25]: But I think it all goes back to [0:38:26, 0:38:28]: The finances. [0:38:29, 0:38:33]: What it in the best interest of the city economically. [0:38:34, 0:38:41]: And what is more efficient for us. So my questions are sort of centered around. [0:38:42, 0:38:46]: You know, we have a you're presenting a lease [0:38:46, 0:38:48]: Program for the city. [0:38:49, 0:39:09]: We have a capital improvement budget where vehicles are included. So from the chief and from Mr. Aaron, I'm trying to wrap my head around are we more involved in the lease program? [0:39:09, 0:39:10]: [2350.5, 2359.2]: or we are including because we are in the budget cycle. So are we including vehicles in the um [0:39:20, 0:39:29]: capital improvement plan. And I don't think we could do both. So I'm just trying to get a better understanding of of where we are. Are we [0:39:29, 0:39:37]: Emphasizing Lisa and and you did a great presentation. You spoke to the advantages and maybe even some of the disadvantages. [0:39:38, 0:39:41]: But for me as an elected official and trying to deal with the budget. [0:39:42, 0:39:44]: I just don't see both. [0:39:44, 0:39:52]: uh including vehicles uh in the capital improvement because uh mr. airman and I know typically [0:39:52, 0:39:58]: um in your public works budget you would include that and and and I understand [0:39:58, 0:40:00]: What you were saying about [0:40:00, 0:40:08]: You need specific type of vehicles for public work. And I understand that and I pretty much agree with that as well. [0:40:08, 0:40:11]: The chief and the police department [0:40:12, 0:40:14]: They use their vehicles differently. [0:40:14, 0:40:16]: And so but I'm trying to still look at [0:40:17, 0:40:18]: The lease program [0:40:19, 0:40:25]: and the capital improvement program. And so and I notice here it says that um [0:40:25, 0:40:28]: The police department has included [0:40:28, 0:40:30]: Replacement vehicles. [0:40:30, 0:40:32]: um in twenty twenty six twenty seven [0:40:33, 0:40:53]: and twenty-eight for a certain amount of of funds. But I didn't see anything in in public work. So if you can sort of just clarify that, so uh are we emphasizing more on on the leasing part of it or in the capital improvement? I don't think we can do both. [0:40:54, 0:41:10]: So in the budget, the police department and public works, we both budgeted for vehicles. Either we gon buy the vehicles outright or use that money that was allocated in the budget for the lease program. It will not be two different programs. We will if [0:41:10, 0:41:23]: council agrees to the lease agreement with enterprise, then the money that we allocated in our budgets will go towards the lease. If council does not approve it, then the money we allocated in the budget, we just buy cars outright. [0:41:24, 0:41:34]: So uh in public works is it based on uh needs or you would just replace every three years? [0:41:34, 0:41:54]: It it is based on needs. We've got vehicles. Some vehicles are 18 years old, 15 plus years old. We got a vehicle right now that we really need. It's fifteen plus years old and it needs a transmission. So you don't put a transmission on a 15-year-old vehicle. That's one of the ones we schedule for replacement. But with the fleet option, [0:41:54, 0:41:58]: And public words vehicles are different than any other city vehicle because [0:41:58, 0:42:18]: their use. They're starting, they're stopping, they're starting, they're stopping. It's not like you just drive and you're going for extended rides. It's short trips here and there, in and out, in and out and things like that. And then the lease program allows you to turn those vehicles over a lot f more frequently than you would what we're currently [0:42:18, 0:42:38]: doing right now. We're just going to the end of life on those vehicles. So in the public works budget, um there is a line for the purchase of vehicles. Yes, that's in each division of public works. Stormwater has a line item for vehicles when they purchase water dug, sewer dug, [0:42:38, 0:42:44]: General maintenance does. Yes. So uh Chief Chairman, um [0:42:49, 0:42:58]: A year or so ago uh with the purchase of uh police cars, you indicated that um the seats [0:43:00, 0:43:02]: You you changed out the six. [0:43:02, 0:43:11]: So in in the purchase of any new hip vehicles, is that still the plan to change out the seats? [0:43:11, 0:43:28]: Well, the seats are not changed out. The back seats have to be removed to put in a prisoner transport seat. And what we were able to do is uh w we actually took those seats to the salvage yard and were able to actually receive funds for the scrap metal for those seats that weren't being used, but they have to be removed from the patrol vehicles. They're not removed from the [0:43:28, 0:43:36]: uh administrative vehicles, those remain within the administrative vehicle. Uh but one of the things if I could, Councilman Thomas, is a point of clarification to what you had asked. [0:43:37, 0:43:46]: In um the SPLOSS that was recently approved, I believe that we have two and a half million dollars allocated to the purchase of new vehicles uh for the city. [0:43:47, 0:44:04]: Um the cost of replacing the entire police fleet over the next five years is four point four million dollars. So there's going to be an expense. The thing of it is, is I'm sure there'll be opportunities to figure out how do we make up the difference, but at least with this program we're not paying those funds up front up front. [0:44:04, 0:44:24]: Furthermore, if you look at uh the presentation, we're saving a hundred and fifty thousand dollars over the the course of five years by going with the lease option if we go that route, as opposed to purchasing those vehicles uh outright based upon how things are projected now. And then with the projection for public works based on what they were looking at, I believe it's a twenty-nine thousand dollar savings. [0:44:25, 0:44:45]: So as it relates to this program, it appears to be a net positive. And Mr. Malizi has experience and I'd hate to put him on the spot here, but he's worked with a number of cities who have actually utilized enterprise and um uh could maybe speak to you more intelligently than I can regarding the financial aspect and perhaps the uh advantage of [0:44:44, 0:44:47]: moving forward with a program such as this. [0:44:47, 0:44:59]: 'Cause see, uh a again, I reiterate and and I appreciate uh the stats that you gave me. Uh from my perspective a as an elected official and have to make a vote on the budget. [0:45:00, 0:45:20]: I do want to understand what is most effective for the city, lease, purchase, or combination thereof. And I do understand the need in public works and the use of the vehicles in public work versus the police department. [0:45:20, 0:45:40]: And I and I think this is what, you know, we're sort of wrestling with, and I don't want to spend a lot of time um, you know, because I know other council members have some concern, but I do appreciate the answers. And and again, uh I got the presentation and I and I got the advantage and I understand the presentation, even when you came before. But I wanted Mr. [0:45:39, 0:45:44]: the air and the and the chief, I was trying to get a better perspective. [0:45:44, 0:46:04]: or where we were as a city as far as leasing or we including uh in our capital improvement. And so the information about the splotch, I think that was very um beneficial to know as well, because it's all about the finance and how efficient we can sort of operate in [0:46:04, 0:46:24]: In the purchasing of vehicles. So I thank you, and I probably have another question. So I'm not gonna hog the time right now, but I do reserve the right to come back and ask some additional questions. Okay, I know no uh my my friend next door here has a few questions, so I don't want to take up all the time. I give it back, Mayor. Mayor Fort Time Well, good evening, everyone. [0:46:24, 0:46:44]: Everyone again and thank you guys again for the presentation. And uh Chief, you just echoed it I and I do wanna kinda hear from Mr. Frank as well. I treasurer to kinda um hear his analysis later on on uh what his experience is with this program since he has the experiences with it in other municipalities. Um I do know in the city though we [0:46:44, 0:47:04]: Have a there's some way we can't ever get around specialized vehicles. And so we'll always, either in public works or even the police department, have specialized vehicles, and they'll have to be modified, they'll have to be outfitted, they'll have to be configured to a point to where um resale. [0:47:04, 0:47:06]: [2826.6, 2846.6]: deconfigured or or misconfigured to go back to the general public. And so has there been any thought into that price of what it takes to one modify it on our end and then what is the cost to remodify it to sell it again on the other end and what does that cost incur to the city? That's my first [0:47:26, 0:47:32]: one. My second one, and I don't I don't know if you want me to give them all to you at one time. Um I would [0:47:33, 0:47:49]: I see the uh the report on what we expect to save. And I guess my my question is, are are we is the goal to go to a hundred percent lease in so many years? And if so, what is that target year to where we want to go to a hundred percent? [0:47:50, 0:47:50]: Leasing. [0:47:51, 0:48:10]: And how do we exponentially mark or see the savings? And if we find out, say three years, five years, two years down the line, that we're not actually seeing the savings that we expected to see, are we locked in? Or is there a is there an escape? [0:48:11, 0:48:12]: Clause. [0:48:12, 0:48:17]: in this process if we're actually spending more than w we what we expected to be spending. [0:48:18, 0:48:38]: Okay. I'll take both of those. Um so the first question on the upfitting, which is what we call the customization of the vehicle, that is absolutely taken into account. Not only do we sit down with each division, figure out exactly what they need, we also go get some competitive bids for those, bring that back to the team for them to decide based off of the cost of the vehicle, the value of the product. [0:48:38, 0:48:55]: and the time it's gonna take for them to be upfit, they pick the winner. We capitalize that into your lease so you don't have that upfront cost. We also are the experts on resale. So we touched on enterprise mobility. We have over two million vehicles in North America. We sell a little over 1.3 million a year. [0:48:55, 0:49:15]: Um and as it relates to municipalities, that's well over 20,000 vehicles per year across the United States, whether that's a police car, a detective car, a bucket truck, a crane truck. We have all of the details on those vehicles. We watch the resale market just like a financial advisor watches a stock market. So we do have that experience, we do have that data, and 100% [0:49:15, 0:49:35]: That drives the recommendation. Just like Tajay mentioned, we wouldn't recommend you to replace a$150,000 bucket truck in five years. That's going to be a seven, eight, nine, 10-year hold based off of its utilization. But that's part of that ongoing program management where we'll come out to the city and say, hey, based off of the vehicles that you guys are [0:49:35, 0:49:46]: have on your docket for replacement and based off of these different factors, here's the impact financially and operationally of making this choice. And so yes, we take that into consideration. That is a large part of that depreciation bucket. [0:49:47, 0:49:56]: Um but we are experts in both sides of that, getting it decommissioned because with the police vehicles they do go through a very rigorous and specific s uh chain of command. [0:49:56, 0:50:14]: Um, as far as getting it disposed, and we have experts in that field that that help through that process. And then the resale channels that we have, hand selling them back allows for a higher return. And again, we go to that specialized buyer who we know is gonna give us a higher return for the city's vehicles, whether that's the ones you operate today or the ones that we do lease. [0:50:14, 0:50:34]: And then the second answer is absolutely. So every single year you're gonna have someone like myself coming out to the city and we're gonna show you line by line: here was the plan, here's how it played out. Did we do better or worse? Why? And what are the next steps to make sure we stay on pace? Enterprise is an at-will company, you can fire us at any time. That is made because [0:50:34, 0:50:44]: because we wanna come out and show you our value year over year. Um and that's why municipalities had continued to partner with we have over a ninety eight percent retention rate. [0:50:45, 0:51:00]: Um and a lot of the times it when we see any attrition, it's because of leadership change and just not having the opportunity to stand here and answer everybody's questions, um, you know, to retain the partnership. But yes, there's absolutely um that opportunity and it's our job to come out and show you our value every year. [0:51:03, 0:51:05]: Can you speak to the first question I had? [0:51:07, 0:51:23]: Maybe you need to repeat it. Do I need to repeat? Yeah, I just I just wanna hear your expertise from your experiences from pre previous municipalities on how this would work and how what is the expectation for savings for us as a as a city. [0:51:23, 0:51:32]: So there are many factors that uh ought to be analysed which I may not get into, but uh the biggest one would be [0:51:32, 0:51:52]: uh the maintenance cost, as you know, when the cars are aging, the running cost, the maintenance cost they go up. But here you are talking about standard vehicles, then you are talking about e vehicles. I have not dealt with e vehicles, so I cannot just [0:51:52, 0:52:12]: to say uh there will be savings without analyzing and getting into all the factors uh actually getting down with the um both sides. So I can't conclusively, but on the maintenance, yes, there is maintenance savings, but only others I need to get into [0:52:12, 0:52:15]: I can't just conclude. [0:52:17, 0:52:28]: You good. All right. Ms. Gandhi, you have some questions? I do. So Mr. Frank, real quick, are you saying that you haven't had any experience with the leasing of vehicles in other municipalities? [0:52:28, 0:52:32]: Yes, I did. But uh that was the before the introduction of E Vs. [0:52:33, 0:52:52]: before E V's introduction. Okay. And okay. Thank you for that question. Second question is what cities around here are doing the leasing program? W any cities nearby, any other municipalities local or that are dealing doing this right now? [0:52:52, 0:53:02]: Yep. Uh you ready? I'm gonna name them off. Jonesboro, Union City, Fairburn, South Fulton, um, City of Roswell. How how far north do you want me to go? [0:53:02, 0:53:04]: Atlanta metro areas. [0:53:04, 0:53:24]: All right, um you can go back to the last slide. Covington Canton, Livonia. Uh we go our our territory is pretty much to the border of Alabama, about forty-five minutes north of Georgia, and we go all the way up to the Tennessee line. So um in the metro area, those just kind of feel off the top of my head, but we go all the way down to [0:53:24, 0:53:30]: pretty much South Georgia, um down into Sumter County, uh America's down that way. So [0:53:30, 0:53:35]: Or around the state of Georgia. Okay. Thank you. And in regards to that [0:53:35, 0:53:37]: Are there any [0:53:38, 0:53:58]: Uh uh and I came in late and I remember we you guys came in before and did a presentation. So thank you for that. But uh I guess my question is the data that you bring us in regards to whether or not we choose to lease the vehicles, it will will we uh uh what's the process? Would you lease the vehicles first and then then come back and tell us whether or not we [0:53:58, 0:54:03]: [3244.3, 3250.0]: depreciating value the first year, ten years, within five years, the ha half of the value of it's depreciated. [0:54:10, 0:54:30]: And then you have certain cars that only maybe depreciate between 35 to 40 percent in five within those five year spans a little bit holds off a little bit better. Um, EVs do not depreciate as fast. However, they cost double, right? So instead of a utility. [0:54:30, 0:54:39]: Truck sweeper costing us$400,000, it will cost us$800,000. But we wouldn't have to pay for fuel, right? We would have to [0:54:39, 0:54:51]: the manpower on that could be a problem. It won't be um it's not for really large communities, but some municipalities on the West Coast specifically are going with those, um, but not many yet. [0:54:52, 0:54:52]: Right. [0:54:52, 0:55:10]: So there's a couple of studies and things that we would need to do to make those decisions. Are those the things that you would bring to our attention before we decide whether or not we're gonna either lease it or purchase it? Is that what we're gonna do? Because would you still be working with us? I know enterprise sells cars and vehicles. So you would either [0:55:11, 0:55:17]: sell it or lease it to us, correct? Based off of what you think or is it just straight a lease program? [0:55:18, 0:55:38]: So it is a lease program, but you just pay 100% of the vehicle up front. So on day one, if the vehicle costs we're gonna pretend two hundred thousand dollars, then you would pay one hundred and ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine dollars and put it on a program that you would owe one dollar on. The management fee that Enterprise has is through source wall, which would be about twenty-five dollars per month on that unit. [0:55:38, 0:55:40]: That will be your lease payment. [0:55:40, 0:56:00]: So we can do that. But to to proactively answer your question, yes, ma'am, absolutely. And those are all the factors that we'll take into consideration when we bring the financial impact and numbers to your team. So it'll say, uh, you know, here's an electric ve vehicle, here's the standard vehicles, and here's all the costs associated with buying it, its resale, the maintenance, the fuel, et cetera. [0:56:00, 0:56:03]: Um and present that to your team will then take the vehicle that you select. [0:56:03, 0:56:16]: We'll plug it into your budget model and we'll say, hey, you know, go line by line by each vehicle, what vehicles are getting replaced with, what's the financial impact, total impact, fuel maintenance depreciation on that vehicle over the next year and over its term. [0:56:17, 0:56:27]: and provide that to the city so that you'll have a full budget analysis for a you know five to six year out um as opposed to just you know the one vehicle today. [0:56:27, 0:56:30]: But we would pay it off pay it off all up front, correct? [0:56:31, 0:56:42]: And then and then when it's time to sell it, we get refunded back money or or we would sell the vehicle on your behalf, yes ma'am, and we would give you back the proceeds from that. [0:56:42, 0:56:44]: Okay. And [0:56:46, 0:57:06]: In regards to fitting the vehicles for police vehicles, if we keep vehicles, I think right now, currently, you always hear the challenges of vehicles being old. I remember Henry County discussing that at one point. I remember Clayton County discussing it, where vehicles get so old and they're having to maintain them, but the fitting of [0:57:06, 0:57:18]: those vehicles are very expensive. It's like buying a car almost, right? Yeah. Sometimes. So we have a vehicle already fixed up. I guess we would be leasing it or selling it to [0:57:19, 0:57:39]: a company or a a municipality that wants a older police car and it would already be fitted for them. And then we would have to turn back around and repay for we'll pay full price and then we pay for the fitting of a new vehicle. Is that what we're having to do? Nope. Chief says nope. So no that that that equipment um can be recycled [0:57:39, 0:57:59]: And that's what we do is as long as the light systems and everything we're able to repurpose those and put them on the vehicle, which is a cost savings. Something else to Mayor Pro Tem's point that you had mentioned, and something that I don't think was mentioned in this presentation, but in our conversations, um, if we decide that we don't want to go the leasing option route, just like they sell the vehicles, we can buy out that vehicle. [0:57:59, 0:58:07]: Vehicle, just like at the end of a lease, convert it to city use, and those vehicles belong to the city. I hope I didn't misstate that. Thank you. All right. That makes sense. [0:58:08, 0:58:13]: All right, I don't think I have any other questions in r um that regard. Okay. Miss Barber, do you have any questions at all? [0:58:15, 0:58:35]: My questions have all been answered by questions my councilmates have addressed. But I will just ask, um, so the cities that you all have worked with, I'm looking at just the population size and perhaps maybe whatever their uh fleets are. [0:58:35, 0:58:46]: Um, what is the largest city that you worked with? Roswell. Roswell. And what's their population? Know that by chance. I don't know the population. They have a fleet side of five fifty. [0:58:47, 0:58:53]: They have five hundred and fifty vehicles? Okay. Okay. That's a lot. That was one question. Um [0:58:53, 0:58:58]: The source well contract, you mentioned that. Um that won't come until [0:58:59, 0:59:02]: After you've done your final analysis. [0:59:03, 0:59:17]: Um will that come to us or is this once we approve this it will automatically um enroll us into this? We will automatically be piggybacking offices. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Thank you. [0:59:17, 0:59:19]: You mentioned it. [0:59:20, 0:59:22]: Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [0:59:22, 0:59:24]: Ms. Barber, go ahead, please, finish out. [0:59:29, 0:59:30]: Yeah. [0:59:30, 0:59:34]: Ms m hold on now. Ms. Barber, please go ahead and continue. [0:59:37, 0:59:40]: I want to finish my points without being interrupted. [0:59:41, 0:59:42]: Stop saying you finished. [0:59:43, 0:59:46]: M Alexander, calm down please. Miss Barber, go ahead and please finish. [0:59:51, 0:59:58]: I believe it was Mayor Pro Tem who asked about the termination clause in this contract. Um [1:00:00, 1:00:02]: But we don't know what it is. [1:00:03, 1:00:06]: We don't have a copy of the contract to see it. [1:00:07, 1:00:07]: Okay. [1:00:09, 1:00:29]: Yeah, so to terminate us, um, we're like Kat said earlier, we're here to win your business over year over year. We have to come out, provide an analysis to you, show you the same model, show you what projections we're looking to help you save. At any time, if you guys say, Okay, that's it, we didn't find any savings, we didn't find value in the program, we're we don't plan to lease any more vehicles through [1:00:29, 1:00:49]: Enterprise. That's it. So um there's nothing that says you have to sign anything to walk away. You just simply do not replace any more vehicles through enterprise. And the answer to your question would be whatever that lease term is that's remaining, you'd just finish out the rest of that lease, or you would say, hey, we'd like to terminate it and we would see what is the remaining uh outstanding balance on that vehicle. [1:00:49, 1:00:51]: and we will present that to the city. [1:00:51, 1:01:02]: Okay. So it would be a per term, per unit uh basis, but the overall fleet program you would just discontinue by not choosing not to move forward with any of the recommendations that we have. [1:01:02, 1:01:04]: Okay, so this figure right here. [1:01:05, 1:01:08]: Is this just what is listed in our budget book? [1:01:09, 1:01:10]: Line item. Mr. Gardner. [1:01:14, 1:01:17]: What are you holding up? [1:01:18, 1:01:22]: This just says FY twenty twenty five cost public works. [1:01:25, 1:01:29]: That's just what you're proposing in the line items in the budget? [1:01:30, 1:01:32]: I didn't see that. [1:01:34, 1:01:35]: Is that for vehicles? [1:01:35, 1:01:40]: That would be the first that would be the first year cost for public works. [1:01:42, 1:01:51]: It's eighty thousand five hundred seventy six for public works. [1:01:52, 1:01:59]: requested for replacement. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you for that. And that's all I have, Mayor. Thank you. All right. Ms. Alexander. [1:02:00, 1:02:06]: Yeah, thank you uh for the that. Well I have clarification and let me say this again. Listen. [1:02:06, 1:02:26]: I understand heavy use vehicles and I said that five times during my presentation that heavy use vehicles are the exception. I'm talking about general use vehicles. Public works has general use vehicles. The police department has general use vehicles as sir as the council does as well. [1:02:26, 1:02:31]: So Miss Holliday, so what the vehicles that we use as the council [1:02:31, 1:02:33]: What uh what is the replacement on those? [1:02:36, 1:02:47]: The vehicles that the council uses as far as we use are the general vehicles in the fleet that we're using when they're replaced, do you decide who who decides to replace those? [1:02:50, 1:03:10]: purchased um by different departments and came in at different times. We had some that were placed by I mean that were purchased by community development. Some were put uh purchased by the previous city manager. No you new ve vehicles have been purchased since 20 and 18 I wanna say. [1:03:09, 1:03:29]: Um but my office no longer manages fleet. That's done under your um executive assistant to mayor council and also um public works does the fleet maintenance on those vehicles. So I the clerk's office is not over that anymore, uh councilman. [1:03:29, 1:03:39]: Alexander. Okay, Miss Ross. Are you with the the vehicles are twenty eighteen? Do we have any of them? [1:03:39, 1:03:47]: Is that who does that calculation? Are you involved in making the decision to replace them? Or who is? [1:03:48, 1:03:51]: Well wait, could you wait till you get the mic, please, sir? Oh. [1:03:53, 1:04:10]: Okay, excuse me. Those vehicles was purchased uh through the Miller administration. So those vehicles have not been replaced. They're probably averaging about thirty, forty thousand miles on'em that you all have put on them, you know, saying through administration. But again, we purchased those vehicles. [1:04:10, 1:04:14]: So in order to replace him, we'll have to sit there and surplus them. [1:04:14, 1:04:16]: And we probably wouldn't get a good value for'em. [1:04:18, 1:04:34]: Right, but uh again they're very old vehicles that we purchased them in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen or twenty. Correct. There were two that were purchased during that time, but there were four that was purchased in twenty eighteen December twenty eighteen. Correct. [1:04:35, 1:04:37]: I apologize, Mayor. So [1:04:37, 1:04:44]: Literally all of your vehicles are under forty thousand miles. Yes. So I'll give you an example. I have a Ford Explorer. Mm-hmm. [1:04:45, 1:04:50]: 2011, the first year they came up with the design, I have over 250,000 miles on my car. [1:04:51, 1:04:54]: So to kinda compare, you guys don't drive them often. [1:04:55, 1:04:56]: They sit more than they drive. [1:04:57, 1:05:04]: So you don't have a lot of mileage on them or a lot of wear and tear. So they still have some usage to you from a cost saving standpoint. [1:05:04, 1:05:13]: But when we do replace them, um it's the hope that yes, we will be able to replace them with either some type of hydroid or fully electric vehicle. [1:05:13, 1:05:14]: Um [1:05:15, 1:05:15]: To [1:05:16, 1:05:36]: Give you all an update as it relates to the infrastructure. So we're in the process now of taking two approaches towards infrastructure for electric vehicles. We're submitting for an open grant to get funding. Um, those we're looking at putting them near the Merrmanners in the park, and then we're working with a [1:05:36, 1:05:38]: The firm at no cost to us. [1:05:38, 1:05:48]: um to provide the electric infrastructure at the police department and public works. So those are two kind of areas that we're really working on as part of the whole innovation thing that we got moving forward. [1:05:49, 1:05:56]: Um, is to look at how do we get those charging stations up. Cause the ones we have here now, those are not your fast chargers. [1:05:57, 1:06:03]: So for our vehicles when we look at when they tie into'em, they've gotta be able to get that hour charge, be fully ready to go. [1:06:04, 1:06:11]: Um especially with the police department. So we're investigating that now and looking at a couple of options for funding so it doesn't have to come fully out of our pocket. [1:06:12, 1:06:32]: Okay, so the vehicles are o of age, but they mostly have mileage on them. So when they do get to that point of being replaced, then they they will go into this uh particular program where we will look at how to replace them and what then re what to uh replace them with at this point. So the question [1:06:32, 1:06:35]: The question now remains, Mr. Gardner, the staff recommendation is to do what? [1:06:38, 1:06:58]: Uh the staff recommendation is to move forward with the the lease option. And as far as the administrative vehicles, they looked at all of the vehicles, but based on mileage, it was the police and department and public works that they would start off with first. And then they'd look at the other vehicles for the city, like events, has be a couple of vehicles, community. [1:06:58, 1:07:07]: Development, administration, as city manager says, the administration, they might n not have that many miles on it, but they uh age-wise, [1:07:07, 1:07:21]: they'll get old, but they're just sitting there the majority of the time self when you go into conferences and things like that. So they'll be a part of the city's lease program, but it's just based on age and usage and mileage, how you cycle those in and out. [1:07:21, 1:07:41]: And again, as I've said earlier, the original analysis that we put together has those vehicles included in it. So remember there was two analysis that I did for the public works. Their very first analysis shows replacing 25 vehicles the first year. However, when we presented that to the city, you guys want to take a slower approach into the program, which is very common. So that's why we started with 10 vehicles and we're focusing on the water and the sewer department. [1:07:41, 1:07:59]: The very first analysis though that includes twenty-five vehicles has the entire uh cities fleet in it and it does include those admin vehicles that you're asking about. Okay. Summarize the savings of the program again for the public who might have tuned in, like what's the total savings of the program is they are in there? Okay, okay. [1:08:01, 1:08:21]: So over the course doing this model here, what you're gonna see is a savings of$29,000 over the course of 10 years. However, like I said before, every year we're gonna redo this analysis. So this year, what you're looking at is a projected plan. If we stuck with this plan here, it would be a$29,000 savings over the course of 10 years. But in 2025, we're gonna come back. [1:08:21, 1:08:41]: With the same model, and we're gonna update this. So next year when we come back with this model, it'll show you replacing 10 vehicles. But for 2026, instead of it saying 10 vehicles again, we're going to recommend those additional 15 vehicles that didn't get replaced in 25 to be replaced in 26 because they are ultimately driving down your costs. Is that answering your question? [1:08:41, 1:08:57]: So so basically what you're saying is their savings analysis is based solely on this point, on the vehicles that you're you're you're uh actually going to be leasing to us and as we add more vehicles on it, then that number should grow. Yes, sir. Okay. [1:08:57, 1:09:17]: All right, Mr. Thomas. Uh and may I I will make this real brief. Uh again, where I am is lease versus purchase, gas versus electric, and everything in between. That's just where I am. So I'm going to ask, and I've asked this question a few years. [1:09:17, 1:09:24]: Um I'd just like to know from our treasurer the gas [1:09:25, 1:09:45]: usage, especially in the police department. And I think for me, that helps me to determine gas versus electric. And I think um I heard one of my question was the advantage and and I think I heard the answer over the years the saving is in the maintenance. And and I [1:09:45, 1:09:51]: I see that and I understand that. But I but I've asked this question uh for a couple of years. [1:09:52, 1:09:54]: I'd like to know [1:09:55, 1:09:56]: How much a city? [1:09:57, 1:10:03]: is spending in gas. I know in the police department we have take on vehicles. [1:10:03, 1:10:16]: So for me to make decisions down the road, because I'm all about the future, are we going to switch over to uh electric? Are we going to have a combination of electric and lease? But I like to know. [1:10:16, 1:10:18]: The cost of gas. [1:10:19, 1:10:20]: Um [1:10:20, 1:10:21]: Not tonight. [1:10:22, 1:10:35]: But I I would like to just know that figure. May I'm a year back and I and I would just um move that um we spent a lot of time on this subject and I I don't know what we're going through. There's a couple other people still wanna speak so if you don't mind. So [1:10:35, 1:10:45]: Ms. Gantt I'm gonna make a motion. Well, Ms. Gantt need to speak something. I have one other comment in in regards to this. Um uh [1:10:45, 1:10:48]: I know had been mentioned about public works having [1:10:48, 1:10:57]: Um, the EV vehicles. I'm not against it. I just think we need to research and study a little bit more. But what I am against is putting [1:10:58, 1:11:01]: Біг бігал с атлір он. [1:11:01, 1:11:21]: the back parking lot here. I don't think that is a a very wise decision. I think that we need to make sure we have the infrastructure in place to be able to charge those particular vehicles. And that would need to be done at the public works facility. Just like they stated that they would be working on looking for [1:11:21, 1:11:35]: E B capabilities, plugins at the police station, as well as over at the public works facility. Once those are implemented, I think we can really look into [1:11:35, 1:11:51]: the EVV look into and and get a great study on that. I I'm no, I'm I'm just talking in general because we need to be mindful as well of the cost, even though it at some point [1:11:52, 1:11:57]: It may balance out. The upfront cost is double what we would normally pay. [1:11:57, 1:12:02]: And s depending on what the job is, based off of the research I've done. [1:12:02, 1:12:12]: it may be something that requires a larger horsepower and we need to look at the reviews on it. A lot of times I mean the the regular residential vehicles [1:12:13, 1:12:20]: are you know there have been more studies on it. Now you're talking about E B commercial vehicles. And I'm not against it. [1:12:20, 1:12:34]: The pros are exactly what you said, Councilman Alexander, you know, less pollution, no gas, saving money on more is l it lasts a little bit longer, um, you know, less maintenance. Um [1:12:35, 1:12:44]: Higher a less depreciation and value percentage over the course of years. But there are also the cons, the price. [1:12:44, 1:12:45]: Um [1:12:45, 1:13:05]: The location of having to get it charged, when does the charge go? The ability to get them fixed when they do go down, the who can who can fix them, right? And so those are things that we are gonna have to take into consideration and we need to really dig into. It sounds good. I'm not against it, not any means, but I want to make [1:13:05, 1:13:06]: Make sure. [1:13:07, 1:13:27]: Wherever we have vehicles, they also have charging capabilities at the location of those vehicles. They need to be secured. That's all. So one of the things we don't mind is Mayor and Council allocated four million dollars in the Splash 6 for a new maintenance shop. And EV charging station and infrastructure is going to be a part. [1:13:27, 1:13:36]: Of that project. But one of the things we like about the lease program, as you're well aware, since I've been here eight years, we bought two street sweepers. [1:13:36, 1:13:56]: And those they have a lot of moving parts. They're constantly in and out of the shop. Now, with a lease program, every three years we can get a new street sweeper versus every eight to ten years. And like I say, streets are not getting swept as frequently as they should because there's always some kind of mechanical issue we're taking to the shop. But with a newer one and you're [1:13:56, 1:14:08]: turn them over more frequently, then you don't have the downtime that we're experiencing. And like I said, buying a street sweeper is 200 plus. Now it's probably about 300,000. So that's one of the benefits of it. [1:14:08, 1:14:10]: It's eight hundred if it's electric. [1:14:11, 1:14:16]: And just one more time, Commissioner Alexander, uh he did ask about the savings on [1:14:18, 1:14:25]: Go ahead, sir. Go ahead, please. You asked about the savings on the police department and kind of like as I've been saying this whole presentation. [1:14:25, 1:14:37]: Regardless of what happens, the police department, when they need vehicles, we have to get vehicles to keep the citizens of Stockbridge safe. Um the eight vehicles that we looked at conc um system of four Ford Expeditions and four uh four Maquees, right? [1:14:38, 1:14:58]: Ford Expedition is$60,000, the Maquees are$45,000. Let's just say an average of$40,000. If you guys went out next year to purchase these four four um eight vehicles at$40,000 a piece, that's$320,000 versus leasing the eight vehicles and spending next year$87,000. [1:14:58, 1:15:16]: At the end like I said, at the end of the day, you guys have to make a decision. It's just going to be what you which option do you want to take? Do you still want to go down the same route of just dishing out cash to continue replacing vehicles? Or do you take a more proactive replacement option and spread out your payments and take advantage of the equity lease of recouping on your the equity in the vehicle itself once you sell it? [1:15:17, 1:15:20]: Thank you for that. Mr. Thomas, do you have a motion you want to make? [1:15:23, 1:15:43]: Okay. Council, I need a motion. One way or the other. What which way we want to go? Uh let me say this again. I am not for purchasing any heavy use vehicles, no street sweepers or any vehicles like that, uh heavy use vehicles in the E V format because we have already agreed an hour ago that [1:15:43, 1:16:00]: that was not the thing to do because the technology was not there yet. So my position has always been to is the low maintenance vehicles that we would look to look to improve. But the staff recommendation is for approval. Is that correct, Mr. Aaron? [1:16:01, 1:16:08]: Or the lease program. Yes, sir, it is. Mr G Mr Mr Gardner, you have any comments to add? [1:16:16, 1:16:26]: Thank you, sir. Just one. Um, I remembered I did speak with the city manager in Fairburn and he gave me two thumbs up for the program at what this is doing for the city of Fairburn. [1:16:27, 1:16:38]: So you so you you're on board with the significant savings? Yes, sir. I think anytime you can lease and you know, the the biggest issues we've had and pretty much everywhere I've worked has been [1:16:39, 1:16:41]: life cycle management of vehicles. [1:16:42, 1:16:43]: Right. Um [1:16:44, 1:17:04]: And that's been the key because by the time you have where that vehicle has gone beyond certain mileage, you've lost value in it. So when you put it on gov deals, you're getting pennies for it. Versus at a certain point they transition it, you get a higher value for it. That money comes back to us once it's sold, or we could actually [1:17:04, 1:17:13]: we re hopefully they'll give us the option to just go ahead and cycle. That way you're not worried about paying for and it reduces your overall cost over time. So [1:17:14, 1:17:15]: This is a win win. [1:17:15, 1:17:24]: Um, I think after the last meeting you guys asked me to talk to someone that had done it. So I did speak with the city manager in Fairburn and he gave me two thumbs up as to what they were doing with this program. [1:17:25, 1:17:45]: But I do want to follow up on Councilman Thomas' question. He didn't get an answer. How much are we spending in fuel every year? Does someone know? I can't tell you it because we'd have to add it up across all of the departments. And I'd say in the motion that I'm going to put in the motion to approve the lease program as [1:17:45, 1:18:05]: recommended by staff for the additional savings. But as a part of that, I would like the answer to that question, which is how much are we spending in total fuels citywide and in each department so we can actually do some of the research that Ms. Gantt has mentioned to see whether or not, you know, what the actual savings would be because we need [1:18:04, 1:18:23]: to know that number of how much money we spent. That's a that's a good question, which is what is this the savings gonna be not just in maintenance, but in the fuel versus the electric. So they actually have uh some numbers here for us. For public works, it's about eighty-five thousand [1:18:24, 1:18:35]: in fuel and so you gotta think that's that's per year, I'm assuming that's that's per year. So all of their vehicles, heavy truck, and that includes that includes diesel, I assume, tractors and so forth, is in that month. [1:18:36, 1:18:37]: Yes. [1:18:37, 1:18:45]: And you uh r realize too, they are a everyday moving department. They don't sit and sometimes when they do sit, they have to run. [1:18:45, 1:19:03]: Um, I think Chief said the police department is right around 220,000. Oh, yeah. And that's that's pretty much about average. But also realize that cost is associated with what the current price of gasoline is per gallon. So as gas goes down, obviously that footprint goes down. [1:19:03, 1:19:14]: Um so you budget high with the hopes that hey when gas when if gas goes down that's a cost savings for us, um versus you know being on the other side and budgeting low. But [1:19:14, 1:19:19]: Um and remember that his cars are constantly moving as well and they're running every day. [1:19:19, 1:19:39]: So between those two departments we're looking at about three hundred thousand. Yeah. But it does not include that's still not a total total number. So if you would get the total number of all of the expenses that we're spending on fuel yearly, maybe for the past couple of years, and we can see the fluctuations in when gas prices is up and when the gas prices are down. [1:19:39, 1:19:47]: Yep. And and always remember too that your police department just got started. So if you're looking back five, ten years, they weren't here. [1:19:48, 1:19:51]: So their their cost is obviously by the number of [1:19:52, 1:20:04]: personnel and fleet that they added to the to the program. That's all r you you see that number going. But yeah, we could we could go through and pull those numbers for you.'Cause at some point I would tell you that I would like to be able to get to a point where we [1:20:05, 1:20:05]: Well [1:20:06, 1:20:08]: Have a place that's our own. [1:20:09, 1:20:16]: Um, that we provide fuel for our vehicles and that way we can buy better with the market versus having to deal with the gas stations that we currently deal with. [1:20:16, 1:20:36]: Okay, my motion is to go with the fleet maintenance program and to gain the savings that the city has administered with the caveats that we're gonna get the information uh on the gas usage for the city in the past couple of years. And this is owned and this is to be focused primarily on light duty vehicles, no heavy use. [1:20:36, 1:20:42]: vehicles uh at all. The focus is to be on general uh uh uh vehicle use. [1:20:43, 1:20:45]: Is there a second to that motion? [1:20:46, 1:20:49]: Uh Mr Berry second that motion. All in favor, please indicate. [1:20:51, 1:20:55]: All favor? One, two, three, opposed? [1:20:58, 1:20:59]: What what's your clarification, sir? [1:21:01, 1:21:03]: You uh I think your mic's not on, sir. [1:21:03, 1:21:10]: I know Councilman Alexander put that in his motion about vehicles that may be needed uh in public works. [1:21:12, 1:21:15]: I would appreciate though in that motion [1:21:16, 1:21:17]: Exactly. [1:21:17, 1:21:21]: 'Cause uh'cause again my issue was [1:21:21, 1:21:22]: Um [1:21:22, 1:21:24]: The capital improvement. [1:21:25, 1:21:26]: Playing. [1:21:26, 1:21:28]: And the least plan. [1:21:28, 1:21:30]: And I'm not in favor of both. [1:21:30, 1:21:33]: So I'd just like to be very clear. [1:21:33, 1:21:35]: If it if it is it the least [1:21:36, 1:21:40]: program only. You think leads only? Or is or is it a combination there uh [1:21:41, 1:21:55]: I'm thinking that it's the lease and that we're going in that direction because that's where the savings is, is that we are eliminating all old vehicles from the fleet over time. But in the capital um [1:21:55, 1:21:58]: program. Mm-hmm. They have vehicles as well. [1:21:58, 1:22:18]: But this was the in the capital, that cost is this was done before we started talking with enterprise about leasing. So the money you allocated in the capital budget will actually go towards the lease. You will not be outright buying these vehicles. It'll switch over to the lease program. So that money that's in capital. [1:22:18, 1:22:21]: capital would find a lease agreement. [1:22:21, 1:22:27]: So the city manager is responsible for the budget. So I just wanna confirm that that is the case. [1:22:35, 1:22:55]: Yes, sir. I I just wanna confirm that that is the case. Uh Mr. Aaron just spoke to as far as what is indicated in the capital improvement plan. Right. Those funds now will be converted over into the lease plan. Correct, which would hopefully reduce our which will should reduce our f our cost footprint and give us additional savings if we're doing that. [1:22:55, 1:22:57]: I also rem remind you too that [1:22:57, 1:23:00]: Um as Chief said, we actually did actually put monies in the splus. [1:23:01, 1:23:11]: Right, to purchase vehicles. So this won't be coming from the general fund per se as time go along. We'll be purchasing out of this plus to make to to make these vehicles happen to the lease program. [1:23:12, 1:23:16]: So I j I just want to be sure. Yes, sir. Thank you for confirming. [1:23:16, 1:23:25]: Okay, do we need clarification on your motion against it? Yeah, I'm certainly in agreement with that, ms um that uh that's certainly in incumbent what what we've agreed upon. [1:23:26, 1:23:30]: Okay. [1:23:30, 1:23:39]: I have a um motion to approve as recommended by staff for light duty vehicles. [1:23:40, 1:23:42]: With the cost savings. [1:23:43, 1:23:55]: And a total fuel analysis for each department for the past few years and that the capital improvement plan vehicle funding would go towards the least pro [1:23:56, 1:24:00]: Yes, that's the motion. Oh, that's the motion. Okay. Thank you, ma'am. There's a second emotion. [1:24:02, 1:24:05]: Mr. Berry still second that motion. All right. All in favor, please indicate? [1:24:06, 1:24:20]: Okay, so now it's decision. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you, gentlemen. Ladies, appreciate enterprise. Congratulations. Uh what we have next is a public hearing, final reading and adoption of the FY 2025 operating budget and capital improvement plan. [1:24:21, 1:24:38]: Let's see here. So since the public hearing, let me read the public hearing rules. Please mute uh mute all cell phones and electronic devices. If anyone wishes to speak tonight on a public hearing item, please fill out the form available on the table and hand it to the city clerk before approaching the podium. [1:24:38, 1:24:49]: After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant of the representatives regarding the proposed plans for property along with or any other relevant information. [1:24:50, 1:25:10]: The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor of the or opposed to the case will have an opportunity to do so. Each side will be allotted ten minutes total. 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The applicant may reserve part or of his or her speaking time as a rebuttal or may speak next and last and may use the entire 10 minutes allowed for the pro side of the application. [1:26:00, 1:26:20]: If questions are raised, the council may ask the applicant to address questions and or concerns. The presiding officer will call for the motion and a second emotion will have a necessary discussion. Uh if the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for the vote and recommend approval or for denial of the request. Okay, this is in reference to our uh [1:26:22, 1:26:28]: Fin uh final reading, adoption of the FY twenty twenty five operating budget. And uh Mr. Gardner, please. [1:26:28, 1:26:30]: Um, he stepped away for just a second, maybe. [1:26:31, 1:26:33]: Okay. Okay. [1:26:39, 1:26:46]: Good evening, Mayor Council. I apologize. I had to run to the restroom real quick. Um so kind of recap. [1:26:52, 1:27:12]: Uh yes, this is our uh read final read for the the budget for FY twenty five. Um kind of give you a recap. Obviously we started this process at the staff level back in late April, early May, um developing the budget um at the staff and department level, um brought the budget to city council. [1:27:12, 1:27:16]: So at our retreat where we spent I think three days going over [1:27:16, 1:27:20]: And having each of the staff present to city council their budget budget requests. [1:27:21, 1:27:23]: To include their personnel requests. [1:27:23, 1:27:28]: Um and capital, we ran through that process over a three day period back in August. [1:27:28, 1:27:29]: Um [1:27:29, 1:27:31]: We are now here. Um [1:27:31, 1:27:33]: Yeah, first read on November ninth. [1:27:34, 1:27:35]: And we're here before council. [1:27:36, 1:27:39]: uh for the adoption of the FY twenty five budget. [1:27:40, 1:27:43]: Um at our last meeting on November ninth. [1:27:43, 1:27:53]: Think there were some special requests made um by counsel for us to look at addressing. And I hope I keep captured all of them correctly. Um you should hold as part. [1:27:55, 1:28:07]: of that my presentation as well as um some of the budget sheets that kinda highlights where we've added some additional what was requested for additional funding for specific items. [1:28:07, 1:28:27]: as well as the personnel request be the last sheet just attached to the individual budget sheets, the justification for thereof, and I think they're also requested um a line by line review of the changes in the jobs. Um I know we talked about two special projects. [1:28:27, 1:28:32]: And this has been under drawing books for a while, the Performing and Cultural Arts and the Youth and Senior Center. [1:28:33, 1:28:35]: Um at our retreat back in [1:28:35, 1:28:38]: Early in the year there was combat discussions regarding [1:28:38, 1:28:43]: Looking at a combination of the two buildings and we've kinda looked at that. [1:28:43, 1:28:48]: footprint, but we heard some messages that maybe we should keep it as two separate buildings. [1:28:48, 1:28:52]: But I know that that's something that obviously we're gonna address, hopefully at our [1:28:53, 1:29:13]: um upcoming retreat that we have in the early spring um before we go to national leagues as cities. So we'll be able to have um some direction there because obviously there's some funding available to get that project moving forward, either one of them depending on which one we've got direction. I know that we started moving on the performing [1:29:13, 1:29:17]: cultural arts and then obviously because of the cost that was associated we um [1:29:18, 1:29:38]: We kind of hold off to see what we could get some additional funding. And as you guys know, we got the SPLOSS approved and we did budget a considerable amount of our SPLOS funds towards um this program. So um that'll be allowed for us to be able to start making a move on this pro on that project. Um as of uh you asked, explain for [1:29:38, 1:29:47]: reclassification and new budget requests and I I think during our meeting, um Frank, if I can remember correctly, out of the I think there was twelve positions. [1:29:48, 1:29:52]: that we identified uh that's in the budget and of those [1:29:53, 1:29:57]: Frank, I'm sorry. Come come to the mic, please. And of those only [1:29:57, 1:29:58]: Oh yeah. [1:29:58, 1:30:01]: So again, eleven. And two were [1:30:02, 1:30:13]: New positions but rec two brand new positions, but the other ones were reclassifications of existing, which means that there were existing personnel in those positions. Um [1:30:13, 1:30:33]: They weren't adding to the list, but just keeping the existing, for the most part, existing footprint of the number of employees. If you look at your sheet, this has the justification on here. This would give you an idea of the justification that came from each of the departments as it related to their requests. Number one was the public safety officer, the public safety supervisor. [1:30:33, 1:30:42]: The other one was code enforcement supervisor, the code enforcement manager. And we'll get a little bit more in-depth with that. [1:30:42, 1:30:44]: It was a separate request. [1:30:44, 1:30:50]: Um administrative manager to administrative coordinator, and that's in public works. [1:30:50, 1:30:51]: Um [1:30:52, 1:30:58]: creative and record creation of a record supervisor position within the police department. [1:30:58, 1:31:03]: Creation of a multimedia coordinator within the police department. [1:31:03, 1:31:19]: Um management management analyst to management of data strategy and innovation and I've just removed that'cause that was the only request coming from my department. So I've removed that position. Um I think that's all of the positions, I think. [1:31:19, 1:31:39]: That we we have identified as part of that. So I'll I'll take questions on those. I know we will there was um a request to add about fifteen thousand for additional uh Christmas decorations, and we've been able to to do that um for the next upcoming year um to look at adding uh Christmas decorations. [1:31:39, 1:31:59]: Throughout the city. There was an additional axe for 150 to look at potential property acquisition. We were able to do that. There was a request for$40,000 for small business assistance, which we funded duly between Opera funds, which are expended in that. [1:31:59, 1:32:05]: that realm as well as some additional um general fund fund to be put towards the program. [1:32:07, 1:32:27]: So we've done that. Excuse me. Uh-oh. Um, and then obviously the other option was there were actually three, not two. But you guys wanted us to look at two new options as it relates to code enforcement and where code enforcement should go. Should it stay with the police department, which is as you see in the [1:32:27, 1:32:33]: presentation is the city manager's recommendation, or make it a separate department with a code director. [1:32:34, 1:32:38]: Or included as part back into community development with a code supervisor. [1:32:40, 1:32:54]: And then I think uh there was one more to show the extension of the chart and I'm actually have to rewr revising my chart my um letter. So I will provide that to you guys um hopefully tomorrow. So I'm still working on that. Um [1:32:59, 1:33:12]: And hopefully you guys can see this. I know it's kind of tight, was trying to get both of these on there. So what you see as it relates to um and I'll go to the bottom line and highlight that. [1:33:13, 1:33:18]: So with code under community development um [1:33:20, 1:33:40]: The cost is right about four hundred and four hundred and fifty-six thousand three hundred and ninety-two dollars. And that's pretty much removing code from the police department wholly and putting it under community development. And community development includes your planning, your zoning, um, GIS, well, planning zoning permit and GIS um are in there and included in that. [1:33:40, 1:33:49]: That is obviously the fire marshal who's in that department. So those are the structure of it, but we budget separately for each one of those. This would just be added into that structure. [1:33:49, 1:33:52]: Um if you look at adding it with a director [1:33:52, 1:34:12]: with a salary in the range of eighty-five thousand somewhere in there. Between seventy-five and and ninety, it would be the range somewhere in there. Um, it'll go from that four fifty six to four four sixty-six hundred thousand, uh, four hundred sixty-six thousand uh dollars, um, to where the code director and [1:34:12, 1:34:16]: the associated code enforcement officers with that. [1:34:18, 1:34:21]: What is it currently right now within within the police department? [1:34:21, 1:34:25]: Currently in the police department it is at the four [1:34:28, 1:34:35]: With the request the the chief giving it's at that four four hundred and fifty six thousand three hundred and ninety two. [1:34:37, 1:34:45]: And you should see that highlighted um in your pocket. As you see, we have land acquisition added. If you look at your spreadsheets. [1:34:45, 1:34:52]: That if approved, we will include these as part of the pocket. Second page illustrates the Christmas decorations and where those would go. [1:34:53, 1:35:13]: And the public works. Um economic development would get the infusion for small business assistance, preferably at about 5,000 per business, so that way we can touch more businesses than not. Because at 10 it's only four, but at five you get you get more businesses to to assist. Um sheet number three was showing. [1:35:13, 1:35:26]: show the different options for code enforcement as the scenario one and two being just a manager under code enforcement at the four fifty six as a separate department for the four fifty six as a separate department for sixty-six. [1:35:28, 1:35:42]: Sir. Yes sir. Go ahead please. Okay. Now I w in terms of the code of code enforcement, this includes a supervisor, how many code enforcement officers and how in this supervisor position a new supervisor that you're speaking of? [1:35:43, 1:35:47]: So it would be the supervisor and four code enforcement officers. [1:35:48, 1:35:58]: It'd be three I'm sorry, he's got a three up. Three, excuse me. So three officers and and the and a supervisor. Okay. So right now today what do we have? [1:35:59, 1:36:19]: We have four same same scenario. Three and three three and one. Same scenario. Okay, so we have three and one today and they're doing weekends too, right? Uh I think they do. I don't know if Chief, you wanna speak to the operations of code, but I think they're gonna be a bit more. [1:36:18, 1:36:22]: should be doing weekends is what we had talked about. [1:36:26, 1:36:35]: There's not a permanent rotation as it relates to weekends, but they do work some weekend assignments and then they also modify their schedule to work the evening assignments. One of the challenges has been [1:36:36, 1:36:54]: that just until here recently uh we were operating with two code enforcement officers. That's been a challenge, but we've hired three. Uh we still have not filled the supervisory position. When we're at full capacity, we'll be able to enhance our operational capacity to be able to cover more area um over a broader range uh of time. [1:36:54, 1:37:14]: Okay, certainly speaking for myself and hope and I don't know, we've all wanted to have that weekend presence because we have all these pop-up businesses that just show up, especially during the holiday season, robbing our local retailers of of sales that they should get, and they just pop up everywhere. [1:37:14, 1:37:34]: And that weekend business, they know in the past they haven't been working. Henry County has now done the same thing that we did in the past. So certainly I would strongly encourage that we do that and that we have weekend courage coverage because I get calls all the time about pop up businesses and nuisances that only occur especially [1:37:34, 1:37:54]: having tractor trailers sitting in driveways uh in subdivisions during the weekend and such violations as that. So uh asking me, I certainly want to see twenty four I certainly want to see uh weekend code enforcement. If if I could if I could speak to that in just a moment, um one of the things that we've been doing [1:37:54, 1:37:59]: doing with code enforcement being under the police department is our code enforcement has been cross training our officers. [1:38:00, 1:38:15]: All code enforcement violations are city ordinance violations of which our officers are able to enforce. So if you have something like a pop-up business or a semi-trailer that's not parked appropriately in the evening hours, those common occurrences uh we're training our officers what to look for. [1:38:15, 1:38:35]: And um uh they've actually our code enforcement has done some in service with them to be able to address those issues. So I we do have the capacity to address those in general twenty-four seven. Uh one of the things too is we've been training our uh public safety officers in some of the uh the code enforcement to enhance our uh operational capacity as it relates to that as well. [1:38:35, 1:38:35]: [5915.8, 5935.8]: L let me just say this, Chief. I'm going to be recommending that we move code enforcement to community development because I think the flow is natural that they are writing the code, they're interpreting the code. But what you just said, I don't want that to go away because of the recommendation that I would like to [1:38:55, 1:39:15]: like to see happen which is I want I still want to see those officers when they see a semi in a driveway to report it or to to act upon it. Well if I I I'm sorry sir, please. I'm sorry but I certainly want to make sure that that does not go away in what I feel needs to be the knockful progression. That's up to the entire council. [1:39:15, 1:39:35]: What to do. But when Ryan and his team approve a development, the code enforcement officers, in addition to the building department office, should go back out and they should be following up. And it should be right there in their hands in some type of handheld or whatever, the conditions or whatever the business. [1:39:35, 1:39:55]: Was supposed to be uh adhering to. I know we had this business uh uh on on Walt Stevens that we approved right by Red Oak United Methodist Church. It s appears that those corrections or those additions have been completed, but it took a long time for those for that. [1:39:55, 1:40:15]: driveway to be completed and a lot of things to be done. But if the code enforcement officer or someone were fall going out to follow up on getting those things done, then they would have been done because we approved that way back during the pandemic, but the improvements took a long time to happen. I feel like there's a lot of things out there [1:40:15, 1:40:35]: going on that we approve, but is anybody really going back out there to check? And then when they're getting a report, uh the officers gotta call code enforcement anyway to get a ruling or representation or legal or somebody. I I just feel like that'll be the best direction to go in. And from my standpoint, I want to see [1:40:35, 1:40:55]: you guys focus on crime. I don't want to see them, I certainly want them to uh aware of those other items, but to focus on crime. And that 300 and taking that out of your budget actually, because there's some concern about, you know, since we started a police department, that number has been escalating uh on a [1:40:55, 1:41:15]: yearly basis. But one of the reasons that number's been escalating is because we had other departments, uh, this four hundred and fifty six thousand dollars or whatever that amount is included into that budget, that separated out people can generally see what we're spending on the police department not uh in in in excluding [1:41:15, 1:41:21]: the code enforcement instead of lumping out all together uh under one category. [1:41:22, 1:41:40]: Re real quick and and um I'm just speaking from my professional view of code enforcement. Having run code for eight years in the city of Griffin and having code under me at the city of East Point and the City of Um McDonough, you know, and Henry County. Um [1:41:41, 1:41:47]: Henry County, when I started back in 2000, code enforcement was its own department. They now been absorbed by the police department. [1:41:47, 1:41:55]: Um code enforcement and Griffin was running in develop in community development, but because our department wasn't getting the resources, we moved it to [1:41:56, 1:42:09]: um police department uh in the city of Griffin. Um and I will tell you we did that for two reasons. Um at the time back in two thousand and eight there was a coding officer who got shot. [1:42:09, 1:42:11]: On private property. [1:42:11, 1:42:12]: Lost his life. [1:42:13, 1:42:28]: And because of that, we move code because that code officer now has the symbiotic relationship with the police department. Not only that, when he gets on that radio, if he makes a certain call, it's not just him coming to his rescue, it's gonna be GSP. [1:42:29, 1:42:30]: Because we've had that happen before. [1:42:31, 1:42:35]: Right, as well as spawning county p sheriff coming to that person's rescue. [1:42:35, 1:42:36]: Um and they work. [1:42:37, 1:42:41]: And sometimes I w you know, we don't have some of the challenges obviously that we had in in Griffin. [1:42:42, 1:42:50]: But code enforcement was a sometimes our eyes, and I asked for the police department because they can do certain things the police technically can't do. [1:42:50, 1:42:58]: But they can see things and then report to the police department, and that could be instantaneous. Um and then it's also the issue of safety, right? Um [1:42:59, 1:43:12]: The issues we dealt with in East Point was a little different because we had a lot of abandoned vacant structures and obviously we didn't want code walking in those buildings by themselves. So obviously they will call police when they're doing those inspections. As it relates to [1:43:13, 1:43:20]: code offices doing building inspections, that's not their forte. Any development that gets built or housing that gets built. [1:43:20, 1:43:22]: It's the development inspective. [1:43:22, 1:43:32]: building the spec ins the inspectors to review those plans with the zoning condition to make sure that they're adhere into the zoning conditions. If they don't, the first order of business is they put a stop work order on. [1:43:33, 1:43:44]: If they see it as a violation, then yes, code enforcement can be issued to go over and give them a citation and put them in court. Dual roles, but those roles uh working together. [1:43:45, 1:43:52]: Um, so they're not billing inspectors per se. So having them go to that class. And do we do have code enforcement and I'll tell you what we did. [1:43:54, 1:43:56]: In both of the entities where I code w I work with code. [1:43:57, 1:44:02]: We actually had our code, and I think chiefdom are doing the same thing. They get gurt gate certified. [1:44:03, 1:44:06]: Level one, level two, level three. And usually at level three you're a supervisor. [1:44:07, 1:44:09]: When you got their qualifications. [1:44:09, 1:44:20]: Um, we also made them do ICC code property maintenance code because obviously there are some yard issues and stuff that they could address through the property maintenance code. So that assists. [1:44:20, 1:44:25]: But lot of those problems, you know, we don't see generally here because we're still s community of [1:44:26, 1:44:30]: Except for some of the areas we annex, but still a community is growing and most of our homes are [1:44:30, 1:44:32]: Literally under twenty five years old. [1:44:33, 1:44:33]: Um [1:44:34, 1:44:34]: You know. [1:44:35, 1:44:36]: Homes in East Point, homes in [1:44:37, 1:44:50]: And Griffin are a little bit older, a little bit more sketchy, right? Um, but we'll go with I'll go with whatever recommendation comes from the vote of the council as it released. We'll move it, or we keep it the same, or we do whatever the recommendation is from the council. [1:44:50, 1:44:55]: Um at the end, I mean I'm gonna say Reddit goes there. Obviously the relationship has been [1:44:56, 1:45:00]: melted with the police department and the resources they've been able to bring to bear the assist code. [1:45:00, 1:45:01]: Um [1:45:01, 1:45:04]: And making sure that you know we keep folks uh [1:45:05, 1:45:06]: Here, right? Um [1:45:07, 1:45:14]: And so we'll go with that recommendation. I think Chief wanna just give some numbers as it relates to what the activity has been. [1:45:15, 1:45:22]: And uh Councilman Alexander, I certainly understand your uh perspective, but I will say that the mission of the police department is not necessarily [1:45:22, 1:45:24]: Just to enforce the law. [1:45:24, 1:45:30]: Or to decrease crime. Our mission is to improve the quality of life of the residents of this city. [1:45:30, 1:45:37]: Uh, public safety's a quality of life issue, code enforcement's a quality of life issue. There's something known as broken windows theory when we don't address [1:45:37, 1:45:57]: blight in the community, it breeds crime conducive conditions. So being able to leverage code enforcement to address those crime conducive conditions, whether that be, you know, properties are not being maintained or something along those lines, we have the ability to direct those resources to address those issues without having to go through another division director to pull from [1:45:57, 1:46:00]: resources to address those issues that really [1:46:00, 1:46:07]: at at its core are community safety issues. We've been able to work with code enforcement to bring down some blighted businesses in the [1:46:07, 1:46:20]: um uh community. Uh we've made substantial uh impacts in a lot of the urban um camping issues that we've had. We've cleared out dozens of those encampments, improving the quality of life for our community. [1:46:20, 1:46:39]: Before when code enforcement was under community development, there were 753 violations uh during the entire course of the year. With the same number of people that we've had over that period of time, when we took it over in 2023, there were 1,635 violations. So that's 117% increase in proactivity. [1:46:39, 1:46:59]: Uh this past year in twenty twenty-four we went from sixteen hundred and thirty-five and twenty-three to two thousand two hundred and ninety-two violations in twenty twenty-four, which is a forty percent increase. So we've been making substantial improvements. We've made a considerable investment. The code enforcement officers have ballistic vests, they have body cameras, we've purchased vehicles. [1:46:59, 1:47:15]: Um of which would have to be re outfitted if they're no longer part of the police department. So you have unrealized cost as it relates to basically demerging them. And then we also have to contend with the fact of space allocation. Where are we gonna put them? They're gonna continue to be housed in the police department. Um [1:47:15, 1:47:35]: Yeah, I I and and quite honestly, we've just got to the point where we've been able to hire everybody uh that's in code enforcement now from the police department. So we have the right people, we've created the right culture. And it's just my recommendation. I think this is the wrong direction to go in. One of the things that we requested was a code enforcement manager because we understand that that unit needs [1:47:35, 1:47:55]: More oversight. It needs more experience with a professional. And we believe that a code enforcement manager will have more appeal to be able to attract the right type of candidate in, to provide that level of guidance and direction to move us forward. But I don't know that moving it to community development is necessarily going to solve the problem. We've had great success. [1:47:55, 1:48:06]: We've made a lot of progress and you know there are other implications that results in this decision and as the city manager indicated, it's not his recommendation. It's not my recommendation to move that either. [1:48:06, 1:48:26]: Thank you. Thanks, Chief, for your presentation. Mr. Gardner, come back to the mic for a second. I'm just trying to remember this. Uh there's a reason why we moved it originally out of community development. I can't remember what the reasoning was, but obviously it was there. We moved it to the police department. Now conversation about possibly moving it back. So can you recall why we actually moved it in the first place? I think it was [1:48:26, 1:48:45]: around effectiveness, correct me if I wrong, uh Councilmember Thomas and Councilmembers. Um I think that was part of the reason was we wanted to see it be a little bit more effective and and and what it was doing. Um correct me if I wrong sir. Um [1:48:47, 1:48:52]: I I think the problem with code enforcement and all all due respect to the chief [1:48:53, 1:48:58]: And I I've I've been dealing with this subject for a few years now and [1:49:01, 1:49:02]: The reason [1:49:03, 1:49:05]: To answer your question, uh Mr. Gardner. [1:49:06, 1:49:14]: The reason it would move then was because there was no focus on code enforcement. [1:49:15, 1:49:35]: And I think the reason now, it may be for the same reason. But I would say that council, you know, we have to sort of dig a little deeper into the issue of code enforcement and give that department the tools that it really needs. [1:49:35, 1:49:44]: to do the job. And I and I think that's really been the problem. And and again, and the chief, and you know you and I have gone around and around and around. [1:49:44, 1:49:50]: That city manager, you know you and I have gone round and around and around about some issues. [1:49:50, 1:49:55]: And and my recommendation would be to move it to community uh development as well. [1:49:55, 1:49:57]: But not only moving it. [1:49:58, 1:49:58]: But [1:50:00, 1:50:04]: Putting in the policies and the procedures and the tools. [1:50:04, 1:50:11]: that code enforcement need to do the job. And I think that's what was lacking the first time. [1:50:11, 1:50:14]: But I just be honest, I just don't think the focus [1:50:15, 1:50:23]: in the de police department. I just don't think the focus is there. Now I would I would love to be wrong on that for sure because [1:50:23, 1:50:24]: At the end of the day. [1:50:25, 1:50:26]: We just won't [1:50:27, 1:50:34]: code enforcement to be active and just doing its job. We just want everybody just to do their job. [1:50:34, 1:50:44]: And I don't care if you're in this building, if you're in code enforcement, if you're in public safety, if you're hired by the city of Stockbridge, we just want everybody to do their job. [1:50:45, 1:50:47]: And and and that's the bottom line for me. [1:50:47, 1:50:54]: But my recommendation as well is to uh code uh move code enforcement under community development. [1:50:54, 1:50:55]: But [1:50:56, 1:50:57]: To give them [1:50:58, 1:50:59]: The two [1:50:59, 1:51:18]: uh give them the manager, give them some tools, work with them and support that, support them so they can do their job. I just don't think that uh those workers uh in code enforcement has gotten the support that they really need. Now I mean talk is good. [1:51:18, 1:51:22]: For me, I have to see it every day. I don't see it. [1:51:23, 1:51:27]: You can put anything on paper, you can come up here and do all the kind of talking. [1:51:27, 1:51:31]: But every day I need to see it happen and I don't see it. [1:51:33, 1:51:36]: Mr. Anderson, uh Mr. Anderson, could you come uh to mic please? [1:51:42, 1:52:00]: You're now the current director of community development. You were s uh in the uh in a section in the time that the code of force was there and we switched it. What what do you perceive back in that time frame? Why it was your personal opinion, why it was switched at that time and and how if it s switches back, how you'd be able to handle everything just comes to back to your way. [1:52:00, 1:52:20]: Well, during that time, uh, Mayor Ford, I had recently arrived. I mean, just recently got hired. So I didn't have a long tenure with uh code enforcement. But I think there was some turnover in the supervisor. We had a pretty good supervisor at first, but uh her name, I think her name was Lenore. Okay and she was doing community sweeps on a monthly basis throughout. [1:52:20, 1:52:20]: [6741.8, 6745.0]: Throughout her tenure, uh she was going to different shopping plazas. [1:52:25, 1:52:27]: Doing what she had what she called a sweep. [1:52:27, 1:52:31]: And that was very helpful, but after she left, that kind of fell off. [1:52:31, 1:52:38]: So but I'm not I'm not sure exactly why I was moved. I wouldn't involve I wouldn't involve in those discussions. [1:52:38, 1:52:56]: And of course if the decisions are bring'em back to you, you're now you now run the shop. So how you found how you deal with that? What what's on your mind? And uh and how do you plan to deal with this? Well, I will do whatever is requested of me by counseling and city manager. Um but one thing I do, I don't run bad operations, so [1:52:57, 1:53:06]: If it comes back it it will be effective and efficient and productive. So but I'll do whatever's requested and whatever the city manager wants me to do. [1:53:07, 1:53:27]: All right, sir. Appreciate it. Any other questions? Yep. You good down here? You one second. Go ahead, Mr. Barrett. I got a hypothetical. If if code enforcement is moved, why why or how would the support of PD look different if it's no longer underneath the police department, considering that this is [1:53:27, 1:53:31]: Still the city of Stockbridge as a whole. [1:53:31, 1:53:40]: I think one of the reasons was given that the support would be there if they remain, but shouldn't that same support be there regardless of what department it falls under? [1:53:46, 1:54:02]: No, the the s the support would be there. There's certain things logistically you can understand to have a police radio and be able to run data, they have to be G CI certified. That falls under the umbrella of the police department. We would have to remove that. Um the vehicles are branded as police, they would have to be rebranded. [1:54:03, 1:54:06]: So there's some things logistically that you would have to work out in terms of support [1:54:07, 1:54:17]: Uh if they call us, we'll be there. But there's some things that we would have to reabsorb that um are are police department centric that code enforcement wouldn't have as uh i as an avenue. [1:54:17, 1:54:33]: But should their vehicles be branded as police? I'm sorry? Should their vehicles be branded as police? Well they're not branded as police. I mean it's part of the overall um if you look at the vehicle, if you've seen the code enforcement vehicles, they're striped and they have a Stockbridge police symbol on there. So those things are gonna have to be [1:54:33, 1:54:40]: uh restriped uh to reflect the city branding instead of the police department branding. [1:54:41, 1:54:43]: I I will say that that [1:54:44, 1:54:54]: In my experience, when you see code enforcement and code enforcement works out out of the police department with a vehicle, it's similar, even though it doesn't carry some of the same equipment. [1:54:54, 1:54:57]: There's a little bit more there's a little bit more behind it. [1:54:57, 1:55:12]: When when you talk when a resident is dealing with code enforcement from that standpoint versus just showing up in a regular city vehicle with code enforcement written on it. Um, in my experience I've seen a difference in the response from folks who are cited [1:55:13, 1:55:33]: versus the other side. It's a little bit more confrontational when they're dealing with the regular code folk than when they're dealing with the folk in the police department because they typically understand that the conversation ain't gonna be long and if it gets too far they're going to jail. Right? Uh but but they can't they can't affect an arrest. A code enforcement officer can't affect an arrest regardless. But it's [1:55:33, 1:55:40]: the perception of I see 911 written on that vehicle. I see the stripe as similar to a police vehicle. [1:55:41, 1:56:01]: The way people enter occupy my feedback has been I'm I'm gonna say my feedback has been different from some of the people that I've talked to within my district. There there is a lack of a lack of respect for all of our code enforcement officers, period. And that's my biggest concern um with the department because all [1:56:01, 1:56:07]: the feedback that I'm getting from from from my representation is that um [1:56:11, 1:56:19]: They're they're they're just not being given the same support as what they would expect to get. [1:56:20, 1:56:25]: Or the follow up is not there or the k the the carryover. [1:56:26, 1:56:28]: From the citation to the [1:56:29, 1:56:30]: Corrective action. [1:56:31, 1:56:32]: Is what's missing. [1:56:33, 1:56:36]: And I've I've I've gotten that on multiple [1:56:37, 1:56:38]: Occasions. [1:56:39, 1:56:58]: You talking about they're not responsive in terms of issuing citations. Not just responsive, but just the management of the of the entire process. The management of the complaint, the management of the citation, the management of the follow-through, the management if there's a warning given and and the corrective like the follow-up of the corrective action of the thing that's being reported. [1:56:59, 1:57:02]: or called in and just the [1:57:03, 1:57:10]: Desire of the code enforcement team and management to make sure that the code is being enforced. [1:57:11, 1:57:16]: Well well, I will say this that we've recently uh the former code enforcement supervisor [1:57:17, 1:57:17]: Yeah. [1:57:17, 1:57:31]: One of the things we've been working towards is putting everybody on a s the same system so that we're able to track. Right now code enforcement's on a disparate system from the police department as it relates to tracking violations and things along those lines. We've been working hard and we've developed solutions [1:57:32, 1:57:37]: that we're in the process of implementing to get all that on the same sheet of music so that we're able to go in and just like [1:57:38, 1:57:43]: If somebody wants to know how much enforcement or what's the action that an officer had taken, we can go into our system and look. [1:57:43, 1:57:47]: To make sure that code enforcement's on a similar system or on the same system rather, so they were able to go back [1:57:48, 1:57:51]: And track those things. Historically, the previous code enforcement supervisor [1:57:52, 1:58:12]: And the way the system was set up was maintaining a lot of things on Excel sheets, which obviously is antiquated. It's difficult to follow through on. Some things are done via C click fix. And so we're in the process of really looking at the systems and getting everybody on the same system so that citizens are able to track those things. As it relates to enforcement, I mean you can say what you want regarding [1:58:11, 1:58:19]: oversight, but the enforcement activity with the same number of people, I can give you the data. It's increased substantially over the years. And so to say that [1:58:19, 1:58:24]: it's not effective or we're not going out there and doing those things I think is a misrepresentation. It may be perceptual that we're not [1:58:25, 1:58:39]: out there or is involved, but the reality is the numbers speak for themselves and we can go back and we can pull all that data and provide that to show that there has been an impact, there has been an increase. Um is there opportunity to improve? Absolutely, but you have to contend with the fact that everybody we have on that team [1:58:40, 1:58:51]: The the most the most tenured person who's been there, I think has been there seven months. So it it's a process. It's trying to get things gelling and just because something's not working now, I would just ask you give us the ability [1:58:51, 1:59:11]: To get somebody good on board, to look at it, if it's not working and you all are not happy with what it's doing mid year, let's reevaluate it. But I think it's really gonna be it's it it's gonna be that we've we spent a lot molding those cultures together and then to pull those things out. I don't think it's gonna be good for our officers or our code enforcement. So when you when you I I [1:59:11, 1:59:28]: I hear exactly what you're saying and I don't I don't think the complaint is that I think and it is anecdotal. Most of the things that people are saying is anecdotal. It's not about whether or not, you know, people are showing up or or or whatever. It's it's about how they feel on the response. Cause you know, uh [1:59:28, 1:59:47]: perception is reality, you know, w with a lot of times with what we deal with versus what you deal with is is the complaint. And when we deal with that complaint, we we we have to be able to articulate to them that there will be a resolution to it. And so I guess my question to you is projecting out [1:59:48, 1:59:50]: How would you handle that? [1:59:51, 1:59:54]: And what type of supports do you need? [1:59:54, 2:00:05]: to change or effectively migrate that into a response to where is it software based, is it training based? Do you need more people to do it? Like [2:00:05, 2:00:11]: I hear what you're saying, keeping it there is your recommendation, but what else is needed to make it [2:00:13, 2:00:13]: Better. [2:00:15, 2:00:18]: I I'll speak a little bit and then I'm gonna let Chief do it. [2:00:18, 2:00:19]: Um [2:00:20, 2:00:21]: Keep measuring out of order. [2:00:23, 2:00:25]: Go go ahead, Ms. M Mrner. [2:00:26, 2:00:27]: Goldwich comments. [2:00:31, 2:00:33]: No more. [2:00:34, 2:00:35]: So so [2:00:36, 2:00:43]: I think that in a city of this size, the way that we're growing, you need more code enforcement officers. The goal would be to have one code enforcement officer per council district. [2:00:44, 2:00:52]: When we have a full complement of team, then we can be more proactive in that regard. One of the things that we're working towards in in code enforcement was part of this just the same with the police department. [2:00:53, 2:01:13]: Is a service for next year for our police and our code enforcement called Power Engage. Once the citizen makes a complaint, they get a text message. It lets them know what the code enforcement officer it is, it gives them a case number to be able to follow up on. And we can track those things and we can monitor community feedback and satisfaction. I have Assistant Chief Godfrey up here because he can speak more specifically. [2:01:12, 2:01:23]: because he's our technology guy about the systems and platforms we're using to make sure that we're able to get code enforcement on the same system so that we're able to go back and track and monitor those things and look at [2:01:23, 2:01:30]: the uh the the uh the complaints and the resolution of those complaints in a uh more holistic fashion. Can you [2:01:33, 2:01:41]: Sometimes I think I'm getting old. Oh might just kick off and on. Well the one thing I was gonna say is um [2:01:43, 2:01:48]: Frederick. Um I know you mentioned about the perception. [2:01:48, 2:02:03]: And I think one of the things um we have to do is educating folks about how code operates. And I know Chief has the citizens government, I mean the police academy and whatever, and that rotates folks out, but [2:02:03, 2:02:05]: I'll give you an example. [2:02:05, 2:02:07]: If you're dealing with a property [2:02:08, 2:02:22]: Right? It's a lot difficult in the time to do a vacant property, you gotta track down who the actual owner is and it ain't always the person that shows up on the tax record that actually owned it because folks flip properties. [2:02:22, 2:02:24]: Right, and it's not captured. [2:02:25, 2:02:28]: So that side of it is a little long. [2:02:28, 2:02:37]: little bit more legwork getting it done in the sort of response between when the code officer shows up and when something effectuates through a citation, it's a little longer. [2:02:38, 2:02:41]: If you're dealing with a grass issue or a litter issue. [2:02:41, 2:02:42]: Right. [2:02:43, 2:02:46]: The typical, typical thing and the first thing they teach you in gaze. [2:02:46, 2:03:05]: Is that that is a violation and the first thing you have to do is warn them of the violation and give them the opportunity to correct the violation. Because if you issue a citation, the likelihood is you're gonna get tossed out of court. Because they never had a com an opportunity to comply. That's called due process. [2:03:05, 2:03:19]: Right. And so if you get an habitual person that keeps doing it, yes, because now you have a pattern of behavior you can actually cite that person. And I'm only stating what was teached in class. [2:03:20, 2:03:30]: Period. If it that's they go to GACE who's taught through GMA and and through the coda lines, that's what they teach these folks. So that they don't walk into court and get themselves in trouble. [2:03:31, 2:03:39]: Right. So it takes a dot you see five to seven days to comply, don't comply citation issue. [2:03:39, 2:03:43]: Right, if that person comes back and repeats that cycle again. [2:03:43, 2:03:51]: they are now allowed to because they have a history on that property to just go ahead and isn't because they're habitual. And we have one of those people. [2:03:51, 2:03:52]: Live right off a turning point. [2:03:53, 2:03:57]: Right, did I get a call from Mr. Sprayberry every other week? [2:03:57, 2:04:01]: And I have to keep reminding him, Mr. Springbury, they're already in court. [2:04:02, 2:04:03]: And we could cite them every day. [2:04:05, 2:04:19]: Right, for a violation, but at the end the judge is gonna look and say it's the same site, same issue. Are you I know you're citing them every day, but that's just the way the perception sometimes is there's nothing happening because depending on what it is, there's a lifetime between when [2:04:19, 2:04:30]: the person actually have to respond over when we could get some response based on what it is. I just wanted to just make sure I just wanted to say that. But all in all I I'm I'm hearing what you guys are saying and I think part of what [2:04:31, 2:04:33]: So I'll say what I didn't in Griffin. [2:04:34, 2:04:36]: I got with a newspaper. [2:04:37, 2:04:38]: I told him [2:04:38, 2:04:39]: To run articles. [2:04:40, 2:04:42]: on code enforcement and what we're gonna be doing. [2:04:42, 2:04:43]: Ahead of time. [2:04:44, 2:04:48]: Ай, а гев дати май сити менеджер who is a former police chief. [2:04:49, 2:05:09]: And I said, hey, this is what I'm doing. I'm going to the local Griffin Daily News. I'm gonna put an article about the fact that we're gonna go after businesses that put signs in their front windows, especially gas stations. Because guess what? That's not only city law, that's actually state law, if I'm not mistaken. And the reason why they can't put signs all around the window, if I'm [2:05:09, 2:05:10]: Robin and who's gonna see him? [2:05:11, 2:05:12]: Who wants to be walking on? [2:05:13, 2:05:25]: So they can't. So that's the first thing we did. So we put a lot of notification out to folks about what we coming and what we're gonna do. Right? And I think these guys can speak to it. The other side of that is what I did, if we go down the street. [2:05:27, 2:05:33]: If I go down Merryweather Street, code enforcement go, you park that car and you walk every violation right on through. [2:05:34, 2:05:35]: So everybody gets it. [2:05:36, 2:05:36]: Right. [2:05:37, 2:05:42]: And I will tell you that at one point I had to code enforcement of commission county city commissioner. [2:05:43, 2:05:45]: Alright, because he was in violation. [2:05:46, 2:05:48]: He was in mad with me, he wasn't mad with us, he got it. [2:05:49, 2:05:49]: I mean [2:05:50, 2:05:51]: But it's okay. [2:05:51, 2:05:52]: Right? Um [2:05:53, 2:05:54]: But that's I just wanted to [2:05:55, 2:05:58]: To answer that because sometimes people and the other side I must say too is [2:05:58, 2:06:00]: As much as you guys can. [2:06:00, 2:06:03]: I know some of you have it on your on your emails. [2:06:05, 2:06:06]: C click fix. [2:06:07, 2:06:08]: Right. [2:06:08, 2:06:12]: Um we're still at about ten or nine thousand users. [2:06:13, 2:06:15]: We should be up to at least [2:06:16, 2:06:17]: twenty. [2:06:18, 2:06:38]: Right. Um and what that does, it actually it does some of the data collection for for the police department. There's a front side and a backside to cut to cle C click fix, but it allows us to then be able to determine and get better feedback on if you put a response in, what was the lag time? So for us when we [2:06:38, 2:06:41]: utilized it in the two cities I utilized it in. [2:06:41, 2:06:43]: The first thing we did was [2:06:44, 2:06:47]: Anytime we got a violation that response should be [2:06:48, 2:06:49]: The same day. [2:06:49, 2:06:58]: Acknowledgement of it should be the same day. One, and we could always go back into the system and see how we're tracking, making the putting those metrics in place. [2:06:58, 2:07:15]: Right, to be able to say, hey, we see some things going on, right? We're able to say, hey, this is where we have lag issues and it's always been with those properties that were vacant and we had to chase down folks. The time to get back to those folks is a little bit longer, but we could quantify that. [2:07:15, 2:07:19]: and the reasons why. So as you go around, encourage folks to to [2:07:19, 2:07:26]: pulled this tool down because it it really and truly holds us accountable because it's out there so we have to address it. [2:07:26, 2:07:32]: And that's the way we used it in my former job. I assume that we these guys probably use it the same way, but we [2:07:33, 2:07:36]: Every neighborhood meeting that I went to in the city of East Point. [2:07:37, 2:07:37]: Everyone. [2:07:38, 2:07:43]: Whether it was Egan Park, Jefferson Park, Cloniel Park, every single neighbor we went to. [2:07:44, 2:07:46]: The first thing I did was I picked up my cell phone. [2:07:46, 2:07:49]: And I ask everybody in the room to download the city's app. [2:07:51, 2:07:51]: Every single time. [2:07:52, 2:07:55]: And mind you, I did have some folks who had flip phones, and the first thing I would tell them [2:07:56, 2:08:00]: Get your grandkids or your kids to get you one of these. [2:08:00, 2:08:02]: Because I can't talk to you if you're still with a flip phone. [2:08:04, 2:08:05]: Right. Um [2:08:06, 2:08:08]: Use the technology'cause the technology helps it makes it easy. [2:08:10, 2:08:16]: Mayor Four. Stand by one, please. Uh assistant chief, I believe you wanted to add something about the technology aspect. [2:08:17, 2:08:19]: Good evening. [2:08:19, 2:08:35]: So at the end of the day, this is not a community development problem or a police department problem. This is the city of Stockbridge problem. And when you look at that, the objective is the objective to issue a fine or is the the objective to bring the violation into compliance? [2:08:36, 2:08:45]: To bring the violation into compliance. So when code enforcement came up over to us, and then through all of last year, they were using Microsoft Excel. [2:08:47, 2:08:53]: So historically there are a lot of tools that you can use for Microsoft Excel if you know how to do formulas. [2:08:53, 2:09:13]: But the problem is that that does not integrate with any modern-day systems. So we have been exploring different technologies through Sage, through Civic Plus. The city utilizes several aspects, several modules through Civic Plus. C click fixes through Civic Plus. But the city does not utilize and capital. [2:09:13, 2:09:16]: capitalize on the technology that it's currently using. [2:09:17, 2:09:23]: One of the the systems that we're currently using is our records management system, even that system itself, because we had to piggyback. [2:09:24, 2:09:26]: off of Henry County when Murphy came on board. [2:09:26, 2:09:29]: Is antiquated as it pertains to code enforcement. [2:09:30, 2:09:40]: So th throughout this this entire year, we've been exploring different records management systems in the cloud-based or AWS for the tech people out here. [2:09:41, 2:09:45]: Um and looking at to see whether or not that can incorporate [2:09:45, 2:09:46]: The [2:09:46, 2:09:49]: Daily operational needs of code enforcement. [2:09:50, 2:10:04]: And it does. That would it's gonna require us to upgrade our system, but that will incorporate our code enforcement so that the report management system is universal through police and through code enforcement. [2:10:04, 2:10:13]: The program that the chief was talking about through Power Engage, because we're already using Power DMS for our state and assumed to be Calia accreditation. [2:10:14, 2:10:18]: Ікорating that component so that when the call comes out. [2:10:20, 2:10:25]: Within five minutes, your citizen is receiving a notification that your case has been received and [2:10:25, 2:10:30]: When a case number has been issued, the citizen will receive their case number. [2:10:30, 2:10:35]: when the status of that case changes based on a notice of violation. [2:10:35, 2:10:41]: A citation, a court date, all of that information is pushed to the citizen automatically. [2:10:41, 2:10:46]: So it's integrating the various technologies available today and tomorrow. [2:10:46, 2:11:00]: to enhance the capabilities of all of our departments in the city of Stockbridge. Because the days of printing out reports, the days of PDFs, the days of of waiting until you come to a meeting. [2:11:01, 2:11:07]: to hear an update on your subdivision or your your violation needs to go by the wayside. [2:11:07, 2:11:15]: But we have to put the resources in place in order to deal with this. And again, whether it's under the police or another department. [2:11:16, 2:11:20]: You have to put together the resources, and yes, that requires money. [2:11:20, 2:11:24]: To add those additional people, to add the additional needed. [2:11:24, 2:11:30]: very much needed software to allow them to do their jobs at the fullest capability. [2:11:32, 2:11:43]: Well thank you for that decision chief. Um Miss Gad, you had a question earlier. Well one, I I th I saw our treasurer come up, I didn't know if he had a comment in regards to that. Did you have a comment? And two [2:11:44, 2:11:50]: I'm sh I'm shocked that we're using Excel spreadsheet for code enforcement. Um [2:11:50, 2:11:52]: That would be very shocking to me. [2:11:52, 2:12:02]: Um it is is extremely shopping shocking because it's ant definitely antiquated and you and it lacks the ability to communicate. [2:12:02, 2:12:05]: Um with our license and permitting [2:12:05, 2:12:06]: Right? [2:12:06, 2:12:23]: Um meaning there's technology here. I don't know if we use Tyler technologies or not for um our business that we we do, but there's software that is in addition to that, that reads, that is able for our our that software we're [2:12:24, 2:12:44]: The code enforcement officer can read who has got a permit. Is this does this address have a permit? Okay, we cited them on this date. Their 30-day notice, a tickler. Their 30-day notice is up, or they seven-day notices up, and that grass wasn't cut. So here's that citation, and it keeps everything in a [2:12:44, 2:12:53]: historical i all in one, right? And it reads from one department to the next. That's number one. Number two, I think that the um [2:12:54, 2:13:14]: um that Chief Tramer made a a really valid point, you guys, in regards to the fact of how young or how experienced or or the the amount of experience one of the the oldest person on the police office uh on the code enforcement has been [2:13:14, 2:13:34]: Here for seven months. You're talking about learning codes. You're talking about learning processes. You're talking about learning a department. You're turn you're talking about learning a procedure. And I am I am concerned about us flipping that, so to speak. [2:13:34, 2:13:54]: fairly quickly because we're not really pleased with the outcome. I'm I'm very much so interested in hearing some of the I haven't heard those same complaints in my district to that to that extent. But and Chief I I do disagree that we need a code enforcement [2:13:54, 2:14:00]: Officer for each district because I'm looking at it based off of the mileage and the parameter in s itself. [2:14:00, 2:14:09]: But in regards to where it goes, police officers enforce the law. The code is the law. It's our law. It's our ordinances. [2:14:11, 2:14:29]: Again, the code is a law too. It's our law. It's our ordinances. It's our noise violation ordinances. When I was a solicitor, I would change sometimes a state code to a code ordinance violation. That money stays in the city and it's not split with the state. [2:14:30, 2:14:40]: It's not split for other fees if it fits within that category. There are certain things and there are certain things that we really need to take into consideration. [2:14:41, 2:14:44]: I'm more so looking at the length of time. [2:14:44, 2:14:45]: Didn't anything. [2:14:46, 2:14:47]: Um [2:14:47, 2:15:07]: At some point, I was really for code enforcement standing alone. We've had so many problems with court. Clearly, we've had some issues because we've moved it from one place to the next to this and this, and it's always a subject, it's always an issue. And when it follows, I don't want us to pinpoint quiet departments that had don't have any complaints. Not only that, I let [2:15:07, 2:15:27]: Looked at the numbers. If you look at the numbers of the data that was presented to us based off of Chief Tramer from 700 violations to 1100 or whatever that number is, there's an increase in tickets based off of violations, which means we have more. [2:15:27, 2:15:47]: eyes, more ability for um a police officer who has a vehicle, same very similar to that code enforcement officer who can radio them and he says, Hey, and by the way, we got this code violation. I need you to write this as well, right? And it can go hand in hand. I don't know if it can cross over or not, but [2:15:47, 2:15:58]: I know that police officers can write codes. I mean I can change it into a code as a solicitor I can. So I, you know, uh of state code violation I've been able to change into codes. [2:15:59, 2:16:19]: I think that some of those things may go hand in hand. I'm not saying it can't be done in the community development. I'm saying when I look and hear the arguments that have been made or the points that have been made, the length of time has not been given. I don't know all the processes and I [2:16:19, 2:16:39]: I don't know all the codes. I don't. I also don't know all the scenarios to the complaints. One of the complaints I've heard if it's one of the previous is possibly um a trailer or tractor trailer or cars being parked out on side of the road and they're renting those cars out or they're selling those cars out and then [2:16:39, 2:16:59]: Then you talk about what's the time length of when were those cars removed and if it was a period of time that they weren't there and then all of a sudden they come back, you know, you give them a notice, they fix it, and then months later, does it toll? Does it, you know, are you able to write a citation after they haven't done it in two or three months? And so I just there's a bunch of questions there. [2:16:59, 2:17:07]: Have there knowing whether or not it was resolved and then it happens again. But uh and so [2:17:08, 2:17:28]: I don't want to sound like I'm rambling, but I do I do have some concerns about switching um the code enforcement at this time due to what we have had as seven months as the per the oldest the person who's been here has [2:17:27, 2:17:47]: Has been here for seven months and we're talking about codes and their ability, not saying that that they wouldn't work together, but that they are pretty much within somewhat of the same department. And so I I do take that into consideration. I do, I would prefer to hear some of the complaints. [2:17:47, 2:18:02]: And whether or not those issues were resolved or it should it be something that I'm extremely I should be extremely alert or concerned about. But I don't [2:18:04, 2:18:24]: I don't know how to put this. I I think that we're what we're saying is we wanna see it improved. I think that's across the board. Everybody would like to see it improved. But if the numbers are saying that it actually improved in a department, why would I take it back down to a department that it had less numbers in? Even though it wasn't [2:18:24, 2:18:33]: [8314.2, 8316.3]: But I'm I'm a numbers person. [2:18:38, 2:18:39]: If it improved. [2:18:40, 2:18:48]: And we're talking about enforcing regulations on laws, whether it's our code law or the legal law. [2:18:49, 2:18:53]: then you know, do we give it a shot and see if it's gonna work and [2:18:53, 2:18:59]: There's another thing, a last thing I want to talk about, and I talked about it one time before Mr. Gardner. [2:18:59, 2:19:01]: We often times [2:19:02, 2:19:15]: Fuss about why things weren't done a specific way. I've heard this several times. Oh we need a fence. You better we need a fence. These homeless people are coming over here and they're putting this we need to put that fence up. [2:19:15, 2:19:35]: Well, there are laws. We don't have a right to put a fence on a private property. We gotta meet and find the owner. We look them up and they're ABC 123 LLC. Who's the owner of that ABC 123 LLC? Then we look and we have to find an agent. Then we find the agent, but we still have to find the owner. So there is, there are processes that can be complicated. We learned that. [2:19:35, 2:19:38]: that when we tried to do a C I D. [2:19:39, 2:19:59]: It's hard when you're trying to find the owner sometimes. So what happens with that is, and the why why I brought that up is again, I want us to meet with our planning and zoning attorney who can stipulate and actually narrow down some of these codes and clean up some of this stuff so that [2:19:59, 2:20:07]: That we wouldn't have a road project that took eight months or a year to do, or a house that took three years to get built. [2:20:07, 2:20:10]: Right? Or an a whole tail. [2:20:10, 2:20:15]: That has taken forever to get built. We can write codes. [2:20:16, 2:20:20]: That's our responsibility, Mayor Council, to approve and have someone do that. [2:20:21, 2:20:23]: Акші фіксєс проблем. [2:20:24, 2:20:28]: That code enforcement can't fix because the law isn't written that way. [2:20:29, 2:20:33]: We spent two years talking about parking on the street. We still don't have a solution. [2:20:35, 2:20:39]: So I say that to say it's not about [2:20:40, 2:20:45]: The code enforcement necessarily we have to take accountability too by putting the together [2:20:46, 2:20:50]: The right laws and rules and codes in order for them to be enforced. [2:20:53, 2:21:13]: And that's it. That's all I have to say on it. And I hope you understand what I'm saying. I just don't feel that it's I I've I made a vow that I was gonna go by doing things right. And I am dissecting every single thing. When I hear it, if it makes sense, I'm gonna do what's right. [2:21:13, 2:21:33]: Or I'm gonna do based off of not, oh, it's not working. I didn't like the way this happened or turned out, not saying that that happened this time, but I also have to be reasonable too. And so I want to at least give the police department that chance to make sure that we make [2:21:33, 2:21:35]: Make it right. That's all. [2:21:36, 2:21:38]: Mr. Thomas, go ahead please. Thank you. [2:21:41, 2:21:43]: Let me just start out by saying [2:21:44, 2:21:52]: I have been dealing with code enforcement issues pretty much my full tenure on the council. [2:21:53, 2:21:55]: And the chief knows since he'd been here. [2:21:56, 2:22:04]: I've been in his ear and complaining almost every day, ever since Mr. Gardner been here. So I'm just saying to this counselor. [2:22:05, 2:22:13]: This is not new to me. I I've been in these trenches dealing with this. Y'all perspective on it may be a little different from mine. [2:22:14, 2:22:20]: I've researched. I have all of the codes. I've studied. I know the codes. [2:22:21, 2:22:23]: Every city in Henry County. [2:22:24, 2:22:26]: Code enforcement is under community development. [2:22:27, 2:22:29]: That's just one aspect. [2:22:30, 2:22:32]: And Mr. Gardner knows this. [2:22:33, 2:22:35]: There's one issue right now. [2:22:37, 2:22:38]: In Stockbridge. [2:22:39, 2:22:40]: Did I've been [2:22:41, 2:22:45]: Beating him up every day for the how many years you been here? [2:22:45, 2:22:49]: Almost three. How many? Almost three. Two years. Okay. [2:22:49, 2:22:51]: Every day. [2:22:53, 2:22:55]: And nothing has changed. [2:22:57, 2:23:07]: Well, I mean uh you gave me an update, but I'm just saying the house is still standing. I'm about results. Yes sir. I honest I know due process. Yes sir. [2:23:08, 2:23:17]: I was here to how the property that Ward Don purchased. I was here when we went through that process and went through the courts. [2:23:17, 2:23:20]: Located the owner out of state. [2:23:21, 2:23:22]: Brought him into court. [2:23:23, 2:23:31]: Patted his hand. He decided that he didn't want the property. He deeded the property to the city. So I'm just saying, I've been in these trenches. [2:23:31, 2:23:32]: Listen. [2:23:32, 2:23:42]: The city is not made up of subdivisions where you have a HOA to deal with issues. The city is more than that. [2:23:43, 2:23:44]: When we look [2:23:45, 2:23:50]: When I get the complaints from these businesses and they looking across and they see a pop up [2:23:51, 2:23:52]: Trail of selling. [2:23:53, 2:23:55]: I shouldn't have to run to anybody. [2:23:55, 2:23:57]: To to say this? [2:24:00, 2:24:13]: We c I have to go and listen, I I know code enforcement, these these officers. I don't have no problem with them. I see them on the street and I stop and we chat. So I don't wanna throw any dirt on them. [2:24:14, 2:24:17]: I think this is the support. [2:24:17, 2:24:19]: That they do not have. [2:24:20, 2:24:23]: We get emails, all of these councils know we get emails. [2:24:23, 2:24:25]: From people [2:24:26, 2:24:37]: I'm just saying, I don't listen, like I said before, we can come up here and we can talk and we can sugarcoat it all day long. [2:24:37, 2:24:42]: I look at the results and when I see something that's continuously going [2:24:43, 2:24:46]: Over and over and over en over. [2:24:47, 2:25:00]: And nothing is happening. That's the problem that I have. And the chief knows this. He and I talk. I don't copy this counsel on my communication when I speak to the chief, when I speak to Mr. Gardner. We one on one. [2:25:01, 2:25:03]: And they know my frustration. [2:25:03, 2:25:10]: And the things that I point out are real. And they've been standing for years and nothing has happened. [2:25:11, 2:25:18]: These businesses that come up and pop up at these service station and sell food and you got a business across the street that's complaining. [2:25:18, 2:25:21]: It happens every weekend for years. [2:25:24, 2:25:26]: So I'm just saying. [2:25:26, 2:25:35]: We as council members, we don't have to want to write you all down and say, well, this is going on, this is going on, this is going on. We just want folk to do their job. [2:25:36, 2:25:37]: That is why [2:25:38, 2:25:40]: I'm in favor of making a move. [2:25:40, 2:25:41]: Listen. [2:25:42, 2:25:43]: Police department [2:25:43, 2:25:44]: Can [2:25:45, 2:25:50]: Patrol and and even I have some issue with that, but that's a whole different subject, a whole different day. [2:25:51, 2:25:52]: But I'm just saying. [2:25:54, 2:26:07]: If we're going to deal with code enforcement and like I say, no throwing no dirt on my council members, but I talk this every day to the chief, to Mr. Garner. Every day. [2:26:08, 2:26:10]: about code enforcement issues. [2:26:11, 2:26:12]: What is not happening? [2:26:13, 2:26:26]: The only reason some of these things are happening, because I'm complaining every day. That's why I some movement. Mr. Gardner give me some update. But look, Mr. Gardner, but look at how I just beat you down. [2:26:27, 2:26:31]: Just to get whatever results that I get. I don't need to do that. [2:26:32, 2:26:34]: You that's not your job either. [2:26:35, 2:26:40]: Folks code enforcement just need to be out in the street just doing what they do. [2:26:41, 2:26:54]: I'm just disappointed because I I see the issues and nothing is being happened about those issues. I'm not hearing all of this talk about this and about that, the sugar coating. [2:26:55, 2:26:56]: I'm about the results. [2:26:58, 2:27:00]: And I don't see the results. [2:27:01, 2:27:03]: The citizens [2:27:03, 2:27:04]: That elect us. [2:27:05, 2:27:07]: They want to see results from us and [2:27:08, 2:27:11]: Mr. Garden, you are not elected a official? [2:27:11, 2:27:13]: Chief Chairman, you are not elected official. [2:27:14, 2:27:17]: But we are. We take a beating out here. [2:27:19, 2:27:24]: We take a beating every day. Some of it warrant it and some of it is not. [2:27:24, 2:27:29]: But I have tough skin. It d it doesn't bother me. It comes with the territory. [2:27:31, 2:27:35]: It comes with the territory. But when it comes to code enforcement. [2:27:36, 2:27:38]: And I'm not talking about grass cutting. [2:27:39, 2:27:46]: If your grass need cut and you go out and say, hey, owner, you need to cut the grass, they come back next week and cut the grass. I'm not talking about things like that. [2:27:48, 2:28:01]: But there's a an abandoned house that's a nuisance. I've studied nuisance and abatement. But there's a house that's a nuisance that's been there for four years and the house is still standing. [2:28:02, 2:28:09]: That's the problem that I have. A house that was burnt out three years ago, and that house is still standing. [2:28:09, 2:28:13]: And I understand due process, but does it take four years? [2:28:16, 2:28:18]: To get this house torn down. [2:28:19, 2:28:22]: And see, just like the house that War Dunn purchased. [2:28:23, 2:28:27]: We brought this guy into court, he came out and he decided what? [2:28:28, 2:28:38]: He did not want to go through the changes of tearing the house down. He deeded it over. That was as best the the city went ahead and did the car. It was a dumping ground. [2:28:40, 2:28:44]: It was a dumping ground and folk were dumping, dumping, dumping. [2:28:44, 2:28:50]: And I'm coming back to the city. We got to do something. We got to do but nothing happened. [2:28:53, 2:28:56]: Davis and Parway, the encampment. [2:28:58, 2:29:05]: Look what I had to do to get that resolve. I should not have been in that lane trying to get that resolve. [2:29:07, 2:29:09]: I had to stay [2:29:10, 2:29:13]: On staff every day to get that done. [2:29:14, 2:29:17]: But if fine that should not be my role. [2:29:19, 2:29:24]: That should have been caught years in advance, but it was not. [2:29:25, 2:29:27]: If you ask the question why? [2:29:27, 2:29:31]: I'm not gonna throw that dirt on anyone to say why? [2:29:32, 2:29:34]: But it's about the results. [2:29:34, 2:29:35]: So [2:29:36, 2:29:46]: Listen, and I don't want to just beat up anybody, but listen, you can come up here and talk about all it is that you wanna talk about. It's not gonna faze me. [2:29:47, 2:29:52]: But if there's a house in the community that's a nuisance and that house is down [2:29:52, 2:29:53]: That's what moves me. [2:29:56, 2:29:57]: That's what moves me. [2:29:58, 2:30:00]: If I see a business [2:30:00, 2:30:06]: that's complaining about there's someone in a pop-up trailer taking his business. [2:30:06, 2:30:10]: Every weekend, every weekend. [2:30:11, 2:30:19]: There's one location that I know this council, they see it all the time. Every weekend, there's a trailer at this service station selling food. [2:30:20, 2:30:23]: Every week and every Friday, Saturday. [2:30:24, 2:30:29]: And we're not gonna even talk about the other house. And the chief know exactly what I'm talking about. [2:30:30, 2:30:31]: Folks say [2:30:32, 2:30:33]: Why? [2:30:34, 2:30:42]: This house that's been doing this for 10 years, I know we only had the police department just for a few years. [2:30:43, 2:30:46]: But why can't this house be taken down? [2:30:47, 2:30:48]: Wow. [2:30:50, 2:30:53]: See that that that those are my issues right there. [2:30:54, 2:30:57]: So my recomm recommendation still [2:30:58, 2:30:59]: To move it. [2:30:59, 2:31:01]: But even moving it. [2:31:01, 2:31:02]: Council. [2:31:02, 2:31:07]: We got to give the two uh if this council decide to let it stay under the post department. [2:31:07, 2:31:12]: We got to give them the tools. We got to give everything that's needed. [2:31:13, 2:31:15]: In order for them to be successful. [2:31:17, 2:31:26]: But I'm still in favor of moving it under community development and just let police just deal with public safety, neighborhood patrol, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. [2:31:28, 2:31:36]: Because I even have issues there as well. And the chief knows we talk all the time. But I understand the difficulties and the problems that we have in policing. [2:31:37, 2:31:41]: But when it comes to code enforcement, the issues that I bring up are [2:31:42, 2:31:44]: These issues just didn't happen yesterday. [2:31:45, 2:31:47]: It's years. [2:31:47, 2:31:48]: And nothing has happened. [2:31:49, 2:32:00]: That's why I'm frustrated. That's why I'd rather make a move and just give the next man up or the next department up all of the resources they need to do. [2:32:00, 2:32:02]: To get the job done. [2:32:03, 2:32:08]: So it's up to the council, but my recommendations still stand as far as actually moving it. [2:32:09, 2:32:11]: And then if it doesn't work there. [2:32:12, 2:32:15]: You still have to do what you have to do,'cause the bottom line is what? [2:32:15, 2:32:17]: We got to get it done. [2:32:17, 2:32:19]: Regardless of where it is. [2:32:19, 2:32:20]: If you put it under the [2:32:20, 2:32:21]: The city clerk. [2:32:23, 2:32:24]: It's gotta get done. [2:32:25, 2:32:29]: I'm just saying, it doesn't matter. We got to get this done. [2:32:29, 2:32:34]: And we as the elected body, it's incumbent upon all of us. [2:32:36, 2:32:39]: And I know all of us we could talk about these stories. [2:32:40, 2:32:50]: But in subdivision, you don't have all of these issues. But the city's made up of more than subdivision. It's made up of more than Eagles Land and Parkway. [2:32:54, 2:32:57]: I year back, Mayor. Thank you. Appreciate it. Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. [2:32:58, 2:33:16]: I'm I'm I'm not really in favor of us moving something if we're not gonna support it, right? And if we haven't given the initial PD the same resources and support to effectively shore it up, then moving it doesn't fix anything. It just moves the problem. [2:33:16, 2:33:36]: If if if we're not as a counselor, we're not gonna put the resources in code enforcement to make sure code enforcement is supported by the software that's needed, the enhancements that's needed, the the training that's needed so that they are familiar with the codes. That's setting Mr. Ryan up for failure if you move it over to [2:33:36, 2:33:42]: him and and he's inheriting that mess, why you gonna give somebody else somebody else's mess? [2:33:43, 2:33:47]: Make make the right change where is that, y'all? Like [2:33:50, 2:33:57]: I got to make it a little bit more. Can can I make what what what you didn't hear from Mr. Ryan was [2:33:58, 2:34:05]: What did he say? He said he's going to make it work. He's made a commitment to make it work. Chief, [2:34:06, 2:34:21]: I don't know where the commitment is in the police department, but for me, that's the difference right there. I'm okay. Now I'm just gonna say this. I know uh Councilman Alexander, we've had this conversation, but if you wanna go back, if you wanna stay with police department. [2:34:22, 2:34:23]: Just no. [2:34:23, 2:34:25]: Just no. [2:34:25, 2:34:29]: that we are going to be working and making sure that it works. [2:34:30, 2:34:30]: At all. [2:34:31, 2:34:43]: All right, thank you. Uh Fred, do you have something right quicker, sir? Real quick, my counseling and it's okay if it is you know. I I I hear the concerns and I've heard and obviously we're we're [2:34:43, 2:35:03]: I think what you heard from Chief is they're moving in the direction to take advantage of certain technologies to make it better. I would I would ask this request of the council. Um let's give this till the mid year to see if you see the changes that you guys have been they've seen heard the complaints about in [2:35:03, 2:35:07]: And if it isn't, we make an adjustment and move it. [2:35:07, 2:35:08]: Um [2:35:09, 2:35:29]: And that's just the ax that I put before the council to to give give them a little bit more time to to do some things. And if you don't see the difference, if if we can't quantify it, move it. Wholeheartedly move it, whether it's its own department or not, move it. Um but just give [2:35:28, 2:35:35]: us that time to to make those changes and adjustments because I I agree. [2:35:35, 2:35:35]: Um [2:35:36, 2:35:39]: with council member Thomas and he has been on my back. [2:35:39, 2:35:40]: About that. [2:35:41, 2:36:01]: uh Wilson Avenue and finally we got the court to give us the order. I think it went to court this two Fridays ago. Um and Chief Wells is working in collaboration. So we've got date on it. It's over a year so now we can go forward. So that hopefully we'll get that torn down fairly fairly quickly in the new year. Um but give us the [2:36:01, 2:36:12]: that opportunity to just see how it works for the n and over the next six months. Um and then let's revisit and go from there if that's if that's if that's the pleasure. [2:36:15, 2:36:35]: I I'm going to get to Captain Alexander next, if you don't mind, sir. On that note, Mr. Alexander, go ahead please. Well well, yeah, since you asked me. Yeah, I have something to say. I think it should stay with the with the chief and give them an opportunity to continue to be successful. That's my thoughts. But you all gonna have to vote on that unless you give me an opportunity. [2:36:34, 2:36:54]: But I would see I will support the police department on what they're doing and and and keep it right where it is and allow from this last little bit that uh uh Mr. Gardner just mentioned about a a time frame of six months to write reevaluated at that point if you need to move it, move it then if it comes to that agreement. That's what I would say. Now you have a comment, sir. What I s what I have to say is I had hope that I'm gonna do that. [2:36:54, 2:36:56]: That we hadn't had to go here. [2:36:57, 2:37:17]: I would had hoped that we would have been able to talk it out and not having to go to where we have to decide and have to criticize what's been going on because the results have been unacceptable. Uh I'm not looking at numbers, I'm looking at the results. And the results are North Henry Boulevard still look like it looked. [2:37:17, 2:37:37]: 138 still looked like it looked. Multiple complaints have been made on Hudson Bridge and Eagles Landing. We write it up, the same thing occurs again. There's no movement, there's no action toward getting a sustained result into moving things the way that they need to go. Now, I firmly have a lot of people who are not going to [2:37:37, 2:37:57]: believe, my own belief. You just don't the this I don't want the police and the code enforcement together. I don't. I don't want somebody intimidated by the code enforcement offer driving up. I want them to be out there independent, doing what they need to do. I don't want them looking at 911 thinking the person's gonna call 911. [2:37:56, 2:38:16]: I want them doing it, interpreting the code the way that they should, not attached to the police department. I never agree, I never wanted this to be in the first place. Mr. Gardner, you suggested this. There was not a it did not come from council. You suggested that we move it here. It would be easier because [2:38:16, 2:38:19]: [9499.7, 9502.9]: W how long have this been under police department? [2:38:23, 2:38:35]: Three years now. Oh two years. No, no. I think from l last year, January twenty three so it's been another year. Oh no. Because if you remember you started the police department in July of two thousand you've been here? [2:38:37, 2:38:39]: Hold on a second. Come on, come to the podium. [2:38:40, 2:38:46]: To answer the question is that Chief Chief should be able to answer a question. [2:38:46, 2:38:51]: Ms. Ryan, you've been here three years, right? Well two years and eight eight months. [2:38:51, 2:39:00]: Right. Now we g we're gonna get the answer and then in terms of you we we this this was changed out of the apartment shortly after you arrived, right? [2:39:00, 2:39:12]: Yes, sir. Shortly after I arrive, yes. Right. So you've been here two years or eight months. So that one year doesn't j tell me how we get one year if it was how do we rectify that in our h it's been more than one year. I know it's been more than one year. [2:39:14, 2:39:16]: Clerk said it's been two years, I'm not sure. [2:39:16, 2:39:36]: So what so what's the answer? What's the real name? I if that's the answer, G is that's the answer, G? It's it's two years. When Miss Carter was over there, she was over it, he was working with Miss Carter. When Miss Carter left, Ryan took over. Police department officially came over and the budget was transferred in January of twenty twenty three. So it's not even if we're we're two years. [2:39:36, 2:39:56]: years now at the end of this year. Right, you're t you you're two years in in terms of where we are now. Now do I do I think the job can be done? Do I think that you all could get around to it? But I just don't see the passion behind the police department and code enforcement. I see passion in enforcing the law. [2:39:56, 2:40:14]: I see that. And I see there's a like there's a line between, uh, you know, that's that's not really police work. And that's what I'm feeling in terms of how we do things in in the interpretations and the enforcement, because the enforcement is [2:40:15, 2:40:17]: As Mayor Pro Tem Berry said. [2:40:18, 2:40:38]: They're gett how many actual citations and fines have we actually administered? Every year we see that number and it's like almost nothing. Where they have gone through the process, the same people go back through the process again, and in the end, nothing significant happens to them. There's no fine or sit. [2:40:38, 2:40:58]: [9658.0, 9670.9]: terms of the overall violations. But my question would be, are they just repeat violations that we keep writing people up? Because I don't see b behavioral corrections in the activity going on in the city. [2:41:11, 2:41:31]: With these being ordinance violations, I mean we're not jailing somebody for these violations. I mean, the first time we go in, we violate somebody, they decide they don't want to cut their grass, they don't want to clean something in, we come back in, we violate them, the fines are increased for the second violation. Subsequent violations, the fines are increased. At some point in time, maybe the financial implication is going to get [2:41:31, 2:41:51]: them to correct their behavior. But if you've there have been a number of instances where you all have have asked for follow-up and we've been able to supply you with where we are with this and what we've done and we followed up and there's been multiple notice of violations or citations or things like that. And so the implication is there's nothing being done and that's not the reality. These things, as Mr. Gardner said, they take [2:41:51, 2:42:11]: time in order to resolve. They don't happen overnight. We can't go down here and cite everybody and expect to see North Henry or whatever change overnight. It's a process. And the fact that we've and I I'm not making excuses, the fact that we've had challenges and turnover and maybe not good leadership that's provided good direction and focus on what it is that we need to is all part of [2:42:11, 2:42:31]: This. And as the chief, I ultimately, code enforcement's under me, I have to take responsibility for that. What I'm asking you for is I'm asking you for what we need. I'm asking you to give me a manager so that we can hire somebody in with the skill set, with the training that's that the in the positions financially incentivized enough so we can provide that direction. Because I'll be the first to tell you I'm not an expert. [2:42:31, 2:42:51]: I know that Major Godfrey had code enforcement in Clayton County, it falls under the police department, falls under the police department in Henry County, it works in both areas. And you know, I I'd like to think that we are responsive to those things. As the chief of this community, when a community member calls with a concern, I'm all about resolving it. So if there are repeat issues that are not being resolved, and there's some things like kind of [2:42:51, 2:43:11]: Councilman Thomas had mentioned about certain properties as we're talking about things not code enforcement, investigative related, those things take time. They take uh it is a process involved to resolve those issues. But again, I and I think you were talking in some hyperbole, Councilman Thomas, because we don't talk every day. I know you've called me about some issues. There are some things, but I'd like to thank the [2:43:11, 2:43:31]: to the things that you have called us about that we've had an explanation for those things. And perhaps you don't want to call about the folks that are, you know, and you shouldn't have to. As a matter of fact, I just to show you how I pay attention to things, I'm driving down North Henry. I see all these semi trucks parked in a Walmart parking lot. And I have to have a meeting with the team and say, This is not acceptable. We're not going to have this. We're not going to have these cars parked out here. [2:43:31, 2:43:51]: And we're gonna go out and we're gonna do something about this. So when I see these things, when I'm driving home at North Henry in 138 and see the car parked there, I'm calling people and saying we need to do these. So I'm seeing these things. We're directing people. And again, we just hired uh two code enforcement officers within the last three months. And so I'm just asking for an opportunity to get ahead of this. I [2:43:51, 2:44:01]: I believe that you'll see results. And if you don't, then hold me accountable. Move it someplace else. But I'm just asking for an opportunity to address this issue. That's all I'm asking for. And um [2:44:01, 2:44:21]: Yeah that that's really I know we've talked about this a lot. That's all that that's all I'm asking for. If you don't and again, if we need to provide counsel with reports on a monthly basis about what we're doing, what violations have been issued, whatever you need, we can provide you with the data. We'd like to get to a point where you can see that or citizens can see that themselves. But I'm about business, I'm about results. I mean we have significant [2:44:21, 2:44:41]: Decreases in crime, I want to see the same things with code enforcement. I take this personally. And personally, I take it as an affront when there's this discussion about things not working. I take that personally. I want to fix it. And if at the end of the day it doesn't work out and it's not what it is, then then make the decisions you need to. But we really haven't been in a position [2:44:41, 2:45:00]: Where we've been able to move. We had somebody in a position that I believed understood what they were doing, but obviously they weren't. I didn't select that person in a leadership role. Give me an opportunity to select my person and to make the changes that we need to make. And I believe that we'll see different outcomes. [2:45:01, 2:45:21]: I want you focused on crime. I don't want I I for you asking me, I want you focused on doing exactly what you just said. Cutting the crime in the city of Stockbridge. I don't really personally want you focusing on those items. I want you doing what we brought and spent this money doing and put our political [2:45:21, 2:45:24]: careers on stage four is to [2:45:25, 2:45:45]: Keep crime down and that be your singular focus. I don't want this to be a distraction, and I don't want it to be your focus for the next six months, two days, or anything. I want crime to always be your top focus, and I don't want this ball over here going up and down that's been a challenge to the city for the last eight years. [2:45:45, 2:45:56]: to distract you and get your eye off of the ball which is crime. That was where we started, that's where we ended at, and that's where we want to end it at. And when I say that, I say that's to mean, listen. [2:45:57, 2:46:17]: And I and and you just said it right. You're not trying to make excuses. But the as and that's why I want the time frame to be what the time frame is. It's been two years, as you said, or right close at two years. The longest person has been here, how long again, seven or eight months? Who's responsible for that? [2:46:19, 2:46:39]: For the f for the the hiring of these staff members and that retention, what is going on to cause these people not to be retained? Who's responsible for hiring them and the turnover that we've had in the department? What causes the turnover in the department? Mayor. Yeah, yes, ma'am. I would like to pause that sound. [2:46:39, 2:46:56]: like an execution. Executive session. Right. Sounds like secondary session. Um discussion. Yeah, got it. I think we need to discuss that in executive session if we're gonna have any discussion on let me just say this. We can certainly have that in executive session, but ultimately who's responsible for hiring and maintaining these people? [2:46:57, 2:47:14]: The the hiring's my responsibility. But what I explained to you is that I inherited certain people that that that are no longer with the department. The people that I've hired are still with us and they're making productive contributions. And and I'm asking everybody that I have hired is still with us. They haven't left. [2:47:15, 2:47:18]: The people that here are no longer with us, I didn't hire them. Okay. [2:47:19, 2:47:39]: Good deal. So the people that you have? Three people. Okay. And those they're being I inherited two people. You inherited two. They're no longer with us. They're three here, and we're looking for one more. Correct. Okay, so we're looking for one more to come aboard. Now, my contention is, and I say this again, is not but your professional. [2:47:39, 2:47:59]: Performance in terms of overall doing the job in in in tail. But I want you focused on crime. I don't want this ball over here, this explosive ball over here taking your eye off of that for any period of time. And to accomplish what we're talking about accomplishing here is gonna take somebody [2:47:58, 2:48:05]: in ingrained into that almost twenty-four hours a day to fix this problem. [2:48:06, 2:48:26]: Every day because it is a problem, as Councilman Thomas has described, that's been going on for a decade right now. Now, if we move it to community development, I want to give them everything that we talked about doing with all the resources that we talked about doing. And I still want the police department standing there. [2:48:26, 2:48:46]: To support them in everything that you said you would do if it was under the police department, under his department, because his people eventually are gonna have to be involved anyway, because they're the ones interpreting the code. When there is a violation, they have to be consulted or legal have to be consulted. So they got to be. [2:48:46, 2:49:06]: Be in the mix at some point. My contention was to bring them into the process earlier. So when the code enforcement officers out there, they're not calling in to the police, they're calling in to them to say, listen, Mr. Anderson, what is code section 18 on this right here? I see this violation, being proactive, because the biggest issue [2:49:06, 2:49:11]: [10151.5, 10159.6]: Being a priority. This is my priority every day. If I got a homicide on the other side of the town. [2:49:20, 2:49:40]: Where is my priority going to be on this code in violation? It can't be in the same two places because those two things are A and one is A and one is Z. And that has been my contention right there from the beginning. And I said this when that was proposed that I wanted to have these separated, not in the tack on the police. [2:49:40, 2:49:56]: department but I just do not believe in in my heart of hearts that you can make this your priority 247 when there's an armed robbery over here, there's a burglary over there and there's something else going over there. How can it possibly be your top priority? [2:49:58, 2:50:00]: Okay, on that note, uh Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [2:50:00, 2:50:12]: I wanted to ask Chief Tramer, are you able to bring a plan, um plan of action to the council and let's continue this discussion during our what winter retreat? [2:50:12, 2:50:20]: Absolutely. Okay. I support just leaving it with the police department um right now. Um [2:50:21, 2:50:41]: I wanna remind us this item is the final reading and adoption of the FY twenty twenty five operating budget. That's correct. I have to open up the to the public here and if that's as soon as everybody's just uh finished discussing. If you you were the last person because you hadn't spoken anything earlier. So on that note we can do that. So it is uh I'll just have one more comment. Come on, we'll [2:50:41, 2:50:47]: I'm gonna keep it brief. The answer every time we have a problem can't be to just throw money at it. [2:50:47, 2:51:07]: Can't be one night. It can't just be to throw more money at. I know we need more resources on this, but the resources need to be effective. And effective with the adding more resources is we've added more people to it. We certainly need to make sure that we're being as effective and efficient as we possibly can. But we've gone from [2:51:07, 2:51:27]: From a$5.6 million budget to an$8 million budget, and now we're adding more money for the code enforcement. At some point the answer cannot be just putting more resources to the situation. It's got to be more productivity and it's got to be more of a focus. [2:51:27, 2:51:47]: Now I'm I'm I'm conducive. It seems like the council is leaning toward uh, you know, maybe punting this, maybe to the next opportunity. But I don't want to have to come back and justify that the police department is not doing a good job or whatever the case may be. It has just always been my firm belief, not in the performance, but in the separation. [2:51:47, 2:52:05]: of administrative from police. And and honestly, and I'm gonna say this and I want it to be the most kind way. The police department, you guys are out there, you're doing a lot of community engagement and what have you to do what you need to do. And I want to make sure I don't say this in an offensive way. [2:52:05, 2:52:25]: you you you're concerned about your public image and thing that you want. I'm not sure code enforcement can be overly concerned about their their public perception and whether or not it's it it's it's we're we're being liked or we the good guys today or or what have you. So I I d I won't I want in my [2:52:25, 2:52:45]: eyes and I've said it again up here at this council, a zero tolerance crackdown on the violations that every last one of them are proactively uh gone after and that we clean up North Henry Boulevard because I'm tired of hearing about it from people. I'm tired of hearing about Highway 138 and how it looks. I won't [2:52:45, 2:53:05]: to see the results. Thank you. All right, I'll tell you what. Let's make this a last comment. Do we have executive session? Excuse me now. Do we have executive session? Uh well yeah we will have executive session sir. We we will have let executive session talk over some per uh some uh uh real estate issues but uh I need to move on this is uh this is open uh uh public hearing the reading [2:53:05, 2:53:08]: No, yes, I just wanna say let's let's take it there. [2:53:08, 2:53:24]: Well, uh we're gonna make a take a vote before that, sir, actually. All right, so so this is actually uh a public hearing. So on my very left side, is anybody had any comments uh for this uh budget and all the con discussion we've had? And my very left, in the middle. [2:53:25, 2:53:43]: My very right. Okay, anybody have any comments against uh what was going on on my very left, in the middle, my very right. So I need uh see no comments one way or the other on that aspect. So I'll close that part out. Now, um what I think um sorry. Yes, ma'am. [2:53:46, 2:53:50]: No I have no public comments for or against the the the the the budget that's before us. [2:53:51, 2:53:55]: Oh sorry, but there was one. So there um [2:53:56, 2:54:00]: has been a um I've received an email [2:54:00, 2:54:15]: Um I received an email where someone wants their comment read into the record as a public hearing comment for the budget. Is it f for the for the budget? [2:54:15, 2:54:16]: Okay. [2:54:17, 2:54:19]: You you have that and you'll be able to provide that? [2:54:21, 2:54:22]: Council's discretion. [2:54:24, 2:54:24]: Okay. [2:54:25, 2:54:27]: Is it for or against? [2:54:28, 2:54:31]: Is it for a comet for or f or comet against? [2:54:31, 2:54:33]: Well, yeah. [2:54:34, 2:54:34]: Yeah. [2:54:39, 2:54:42]: They can eat they can send it. We can release. [2:54:47, 2:54:49]: Um it's a request. [2:54:50, 2:54:50]: Yeah. [2:54:50, 2:54:53]: Something to be in the budget. [2:54:55, 2:54:58]: Okay. [2:55:07, 2:55:27]: Mayor, I have a question about that though. What what? Before Miss Holiday. This is public comments for the budget. So it's open we're doing public com public hearing. Right. And so someone sent an email that wants us wants it to be read. [2:55:27, 2:55:43]: can't be present. Are we gonna set that precedent for the future? That is why I said it's uh mayor and council discretion because it is not the norm. It's not the norm. Usually the person is here in public and they are making their public comment. Now if this is the where we're headed [2:55:44, 2:55:53]: Then we set it for one, we have to set it for all. And I'm not against it or for I'm not for or against. I'm just making it known so that I guess mayor and council can know. [2:55:54, 2:56:14]: Where we are. What's the circumstances around it? Were are they unable to attend? It does not say. It does not say. And how long have you had it? I got it at five fifty eight PM today. And I can say that I can put the record um what we have done before. We can put it in the meeting notes, but [2:56:14, 2:56:16]: [10576.6, 10596.6]: I I think before we set a precedent for it there has to be some mitigating reasons for doing it and two minutes before without some type of rationale behind their inability to attend in person because we post the meetings, we post when they're being held, we post the time, the calendar in advance, and we've already said what the tone was. That's that's [2:56:36, 2:56:56]: Just my opinion. All right. Yes, sir. Honestly, this is what happened. Uh uh Mr. It's the me email from Mr. Marshall. Yes. And he um had indicated that he wanted to make some comments about the general budget. Uh certainly he said he was unable to make it and that he wanted to have these comments. [2:56:56, 2:57:16]: uh into the record uh because uh this was budgetary information. Apparently you know we're here there's nobody here and certainly uh in those circumstances there's nobody it's not like it's extending the meeting but at the same time I wouldn't certainly not want to set a precedence that we were really [2:57:16, 2:57:36]: Read every email into each one of these. So we're right, we're not going to read it. We're not going to read it. So anyway, so no comments for or against on on the public here in this aspect. So because we had an extensive conversation about the code enforcement and it's on the it's on approval for the budget, I'm assuming uh Mr. Quinn. [2:57:36, 2:57:47]: Quentin. I'm assuming that we'll have to make a a vote in reference to the code enforcement remaining or leaving prior to overall approving the budget. Would that be a a best thing to do? [2:57:50, 2:57:51]: Sir, if you wanna come to the mic here? [2:57:58, 2:58:15]: If there's a specific directive about it, it would be best encapsulated in an ordinance because you'd be changing the actual code from them being under the police department because they're under it by code. You'd be changing them wherever you would change them to and how you change them would best be encapsulated in an ordinance. [2:58:16, 2:58:17]: Okay. [2:58:18, 2:58:35]: But what it is is what it is, we've got approved the approval the budget. And this this is like a subset of that. So I didn't know uh the what the motion should look like to approve the the budget or whatever or d well, I would imagine we'll approve the budget, but I just wanna make sure there should be in there a b uh the budget or the budget adoption ordinance. [2:58:35, 2:58:41]: We submitted that the budget adoption ordinance, we submitted that uh a couple of months ago, was that? [2:58:42, 2:58:44]: Is that [2:58:45, 2:59:00]: There there is a budget adoption ordinance, but there were changes that were requested at the December ninth meeting. So those changes would need to be inserted into that document, whatever those changes. [2:59:01, 2:59:19]: Right. That's correct. All right, so I'm looking for a motion f to accept the the budget as as proposed here, but under under it has several different options for the code enforcement. So we b uh I'm I'm assuming that we've got to sam s agree to whether or not it's gonna stay or be removed [2:59:19, 2:59:39]: I think a couple of different things. Mr. Since you have a budget, since you have a budget, since you have a since you have a budget document. Yes. Right. If you're changing, if your line item changing that document, they need to be in the clerk's notes about what the will of counsel is. Okay. Right? Then at that point, monies and all that stuff, which are in the budget adoption ordinance, will be done. [2:59:39, 2:59:52]: If you are debating and you want to have another action to change where a department is located, then that's something that we need to do by ordinance so that the ordinance can go into the code as to where [2:59:53, 3:00:07]: But uh w as to what you all want to happen and how you want to do that. But if there's a vote taken on whether or not to move code enforcement and and it's and the vote is not to move code enforcement, it's already in there. It's already in the police department. Right. Right. You w you can't [3:00:09, 3:00:17]: The two things need to be done separately. Right, that's what I was getting at. I thought I thought they would have to be done separately. That's what I thought. That's why I'm asking you. I thought because so otherwise [3:00:18, 3:00:35]: Yeah, because you the cause what's before the council now is just your budget adoption. That's exactly right. And whatever you're changing in your budget adoption is that document. Okay. That document is not also about moving, you know, or changing like departments. It's like if you created a department of homeland security, that's a separate [3:00:36, 3:00:56]: All right. So I'm so on that note what I've what I need to ask for is that is there a motion uh in reference to the code enforcement on where it needs to what what it is. Can we do the budget first? I think that's gonna be a lot simpler for us to just vote on the budget first. No, no, because the b if you do the budget the budget th this is a subset to that. If you do the budget then it's automatic it [3:00:56, 3:01:07]: Not hold on, not not necessarily. If we vote on the budget, it leaves it in the it leaves it where it is now in order to change it, we gotta pass an ordinance to change it. Okay, well [3:01:07, 3:01:20]: Okay, so we approve the budget, then it automatically stays where right where it is then. That's correct. Right. Well so be it. That's what I was trying to get clarification on. Right. I don't uh at at this point there's not there's not the votes here in order to in order to [3:01:21, 3:01:28]: All right. Make the change because obviously there's not the votes here in order to make the change. So I'm gonna make the motion to [3:01:28, 3:01:31]: Pay us. Vanessa, go ahead, please. [3:01:31, 3:01:35]: There were additional changes that uh Mr. Gardner [3:01:37, 3:01:39]: No. Yeah, I I got that. [3:01:40, 3:01:41]: Yeah, I got that. [3:01:42, 3:01:50]: Okay, certainly I wanted to go ahead and make the motion to um approve the budget. [3:01:51, 3:02:11]: As recommended with the additional changes that were cited uh by the city manager uh in terms of the budgetary dollar amounts. Uh as indicated by the city attorney, the option for moving the code enforcement would have to be done in an ordinance that would not be included in this project. [3:02:11, 3:02:27]: particular goal. So we will revisit that in the next motion and uh approve the budget uh as recommended with these additional changes that were made and then we'll deal with a secondary issue after this. [3:02:28, 3:02:34]: Is there a second of that motion? Uh unreadiness. Unreadiness. Yes. [3:02:34, 3:02:35]: Well Sammy. [3:02:37, 3:02:38]: Put him in. [3:02:38, 3:02:58]: Have a question. I'm not ready for the for the motion or the vote. Well what what look before you get because you missed something, Councilman Thomas the attorney told us we had to do these separate. If we wanted to move the police department out of this depart uh out of we can't do it during the budget. We'd have to we're gonna have to vote on the budget and that separately. [3:02:58, 3:03:01]: Okay, let me just be clear. Let me make sure I got this right. [3:03:01, 3:03:21]: We if you change, if you whether you vote for it or not, the number stays the same. Whether it gets allocated, am I am I calling this out? Whether it gets allocated to a different department would be the ordinance and the creation of something else if you wanted to do it. So we if the number's a dollar, it's a dollar. And if you say that that's going to be allocated to the police department. [3:03:21, 3:03:25]: or something else, that something else will be in the ordinance. Am I encapsulating that? [3:03:25, 3:03:26]: Yeah. [3:03:26, 3:03:32]: Okay. I just want to make sure that from the treasure and the city manager we got that right for y'all. I have a question. Yes, sir. [3:03:32, 3:03:39]: My unreadiness is I like to speak to um [3:03:40, 3:03:53]: a part of the budget discussion. I I want to speak to a part of the budget. So I'm not we that's what we've been doing, so you've been talking a lot. I I heard I heard a motion to adopt [3:03:54, 3:04:05]: Am I correct? But well yeah, the t what's what's we're supposed to do now is to adopt the budget for the twenty twenty five years. No, well, I'm not sure what's the one readiness is I want to speak to the budget. Well you've been speaking to the budget all along, sir. [3:04:05, 3:04:09]: W additional. Well but you d okay. If I may. [3:04:10, 3:04:14]: All right. Can we make this the last time you speak on this? Well it's not about code enforcement. [3:04:14, 3:04:19]: It's not by the code enforcement. No, it's not. But I I have a question about code enforcement. One last question. [3:04:20, 3:04:22]: Sorry. Oh, I'm cool. Go ahead. [3:04:22, 3:04:23]: I just wanna know [3:04:23, 3:04:35]: We have the the different dollar amounts if we were to go by scenario one, two, or three. I wanted to make sure there wasn't any drastic increase. Um I I'm I'm only concerned about us getting some kind of software. [3:04:36, 3:04:41]: And I wanted to make sure that the lower amount I thought was through the police department. [3:04:42, 3:04:45]: Because the resources have already been allocated there. [3:04:45, 3:05:05]: Plus, we're talking about getting some type of software besides them being putting things in Excel spreadsheet. So where are we with the dollar amount for the police department code enforcement? I see the other scenarios. I see scenario two, if they were under the community development, and I saw a scenario three. [3:05:05, 3:05:07]: if they were standalone. [3:05:08, 3:05:14]: So what is the actual dollar amount that's budgeted for twenty twenty-five? [3:05:15, 3:05:19]: Code enforcement under the police department. Where is that? [3:05:27, 3:05:29]: It's that number right there. [3:05:29, 3:05:46]: We just pulled it out with the four positions, the code supervisor and the three officers. We just pulled that number from the police department and separated it. So it it's the same number. See what I'm saying? It's the same number that it was this year. [3:05:46, 3:05:50]: The same ever all their resour their resources as it relates to what [3:05:51, 3:05:57]: The what they had for them moves over. That's the personnel. Everything that's right in front of you. [3:05:57, 3:05:59]: But that's not what I read. [3:06:01, 3:06:05]: It was like a ten thousand dollar difference from one to the next to the next. [3:06:05, 3:06:09]: So if you make it its own department and hire a director. [3:06:09, 3:06:20]: Ma'am? Uhhuh. Then obviously you're paying a director, which is a higher salary than if you pay a manager to manage in conjunction with the chief or in conjunction with [3:06:20, 3:06:27]: with this gentleman here. So obviously you're paying more for that director. So there is the ten thousand, the five five fifty [3:06:28, 3:06:37]: The five fifty six versus the the four sixty six in terms of the cost. So there's a c that's where the difference in the cost is, ma'am but [3:06:37, 3:06:38]: Okay. [3:06:38, 3:06:58]: I can't find it right now. She's not finished. Are you finished now with that? No, I'm finished now. I just wanted to make sure that the numbers didn't change and what's the difference. Was there an increase there's no increase. Okay, I'm fine. Thank you. I just want to give them that opportunity. You know what the issue is, you know we're not pleased right now, and we're given the opportunity to get that up on its feet the way it needs to be. [3:06:58, 3:07:18]: And I'm confident that it will be. Yeah. Especially with the numbers. I think when Chief was talking about the technology and what they're doing, that's that's encumbrance and part of what they the overall department and direction they're going in, and that this would be included as part of that whole initiative. But if obviously if you make it its own department or take it over, then we have to start. [3:07:18, 3:07:30]: not creating that whole line item, but under under that, we would obviously budget accordingly so it wouldn't change the underlying number, because that's what we see bringing over. So um and the technology, as we said, I mean [3:07:31, 3:07:45]: The whether it's in the police department with the police department technology or if it goes under community development where I I think Ryan is is upgrading their technology, you're gonna have the same result because either one is gonna provide for. [3:07:46, 3:08:03]: Th those same type of flow of of information, having the tough books, being able to issue e citations right on the spot. Um that either way it's gonna go that way because he's going that way with permit. That's what's on the agenda tonight. That so the softwares are still the same. [3:08:03, 3:08:04]: Go ahead, thank you. [3:08:04, 3:08:06]: Okay, Ms. Thomas, go ahead, please. [3:08:08, 3:08:11]: In reference to the budget [3:08:12, 3:08:14]: And the reclassification [3:08:15, 3:08:17]: And new position titles [3:08:18, 3:08:20]: A motion [3:08:21, 3:08:26]: to approve and fund the following positions. [3:08:27, 3:08:29]: event koordinator [3:08:31, 3:08:33]: Assistant court clerk to [3:08:35, 3:08:36]: A M I [3:08:37, 3:08:38]: Technician [3:08:39, 3:08:42]: Human resources specialists [3:08:43, 3:08:45]: Антоз. [3:08:46, 3:08:47]: Approved. [3:08:49, 3:08:51]: Vacant position [3:08:53, 3:08:55]: Until field. [3:08:55, 3:08:57]: And revisit [3:08:58, 3:08:59]: And discuss [3:08:59, 3:09:02]: The proposed job title change [3:09:02, 3:09:04]: And reclassification [3:09:05, 3:09:10]: during the twenty twenty five budget retreat. [3:09:13, 3:09:16]: Okay. It's a motion. [3:09:22, 3:09:24]: Well I will read it again if I may. [3:09:26, 3:09:28]: In reference to the budget, the [3:09:30, 3:09:32]: Reclassifications [3:09:32, 3:09:35]: and new position titles. [3:09:37, 3:09:42]: I moved to approve and fund the following positions. [3:09:43, 3:09:44]: A vet [3:09:45, 3:09:46]: A vents [3:09:46, 3:09:47]: Coordinator. [3:09:49, 3:09:52]: Assistant Court Clerk to [3:09:53, 3:09:56]: A M I technician [3:09:57, 3:10:00]: Human resources generalists [3:10:02, 3:10:03]: And advertise [3:10:05, 3:10:06]: Approved. [3:10:08, 3:10:11]: Vacant positions on the city website. [3:10:11, 3:10:13]: Until filled [3:10:15, 3:10:16]: And revisit [3:10:16, 3:10:18]: And discuss [3:10:18, 3:10:21]: The proposed job title changes. [3:10:22, 3:10:24]: And reclassifications. [3:10:24, 3:10:28]: during the twenty twenty five budget retreat. [3:10:34, 3:10:35]: That is a motion. [3:10:36, 3:10:37]: So you have that, Miss Holliday? [3:10:38, 3:10:40]: And I will appreciate a sec. [3:10:42, 3:10:43]: I [3:10:44, 3:10:47]: I need to go I need to look at one of the positions. [3:10:47, 3:10:48]: Um [3:10:48, 3:10:51]: Was all these positions named prior to? [3:10:52, 3:10:52]: Today. [3:10:53, 3:10:56]: These these are not new positions. [3:10:56, 3:11:01]: These are ones that we had put in the proposed budget in the first place, correct? [3:11:01, 3:11:04]: Correct. Okay. Correct. [3:11:05, 3:11:10]: And these are not um reclassifications. [3:11:11, 3:11:15]: And these are not new positions uh that has not been [3:11:16, 3:11:16]: Mm-hmm. [3:11:17, 3:11:18]: involved in the reclassification. [3:11:19, 3:11:22]: Okay. Well then I second. [3:11:23, 3:11:30]: Okay, motion has been seconded. Ms. Holler, do you have all that this time? Okay. Uh there's no further discussion. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:11:31, 3:11:39]: All right, all pose. I actually I actually have had my hand raised because I have a question. What's your question? [3:11:41, 3:11:46]: It's in regards to the budget, so is it b is in regard to this particular motion that was made. [3:11:47, 3:11:50]: No. Okay. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:11:51, 3:11:56]: All right, unanimous decision. All right. So is there anything else, Mr. Thomas, right now? [3:11:57, 3:12:06]: I have a motion to adopt the agenda. I mean to adopt the budget, but I heard Councilman Alexander. No, stem by Stemba, appreciate it. Ms. Barber, what's on your mind? [3:12:07, 3:12:13]: I wanted to ask, the current year's actuals are reported through which month or period? [3:12:32, 3:12:36]: Ma'am, um are you looking at the numbers that are on the sheets right here? [3:12:37, 3:12:39]: Uh on the code enforcement sheets. [3:12:43, 3:12:44]: As it relates to the [3:12:47, 3:12:55]: Where we made where we're making the adjustments. So they're as of I think when we initially did the budget retreat back in August. [3:12:56, 3:12:59]: This is my understanding from the from the finance director. [3:13:02, 3:13:05]: Okay, so the actuals from twenty twenty four. [3:13:07, 3:13:17]: I just reported through August. So looking at those those would be half the year, just looking at the numbers, so that would be yes, July, July, August numbers. [3:13:19, 3:13:39]: That is what what and and that's not sufficient for me. That understood and that's I need to know what the actuals are year to date currently as closest today's date, which I understand we're towards the end of the year. However, just for me. Never mind. We could print out read. [3:13:39, 3:13:40]: [11624.6, 11626.7]: I didn't change that. [3:13:47, 3:13:51]: A any other questions? Okay, Mr. Thomas, go ahead please. [3:13:53, 3:13:56]: Therefore, I move to adopt the twenty twenty-five budget. [3:13:58, 3:14:03]: With council approved changes and adjustments. [3:14:03, 3:14:06]: To be made by the city treasure. [3:14:08, 3:14:12]: Okay. Is there a second to that motion? [3:14:14, 3:14:18]: I second. Oh Miss okay, Miss Gann second that. All right, all in favor, please indicate. [3:14:21, 3:14:22]: Opposed? [3:14:23, 3:14:31]: I will oppose and I wanna add a comment. Okay, four once before you do it. So four, one and motion passed. Miss Barber, what's your comment? [3:14:31, 3:14:36]: Every year we've had issues with the reporting of the actuals. [3:14:36, 3:14:41]: The actuals of the current or prior years. [3:14:41, 3:14:46]: I need to be able to see what our spending trends are year over year. [3:14:48, 3:14:49]: That's one issue. [3:14:49, 3:14:54]: The other one is I believe that the priorities are not accurately [3:14:54, 3:14:55]: Well [3:14:55, 3:15:02]: What I believe should be priorities are not adequately reflected in this budget. [3:15:02, 3:15:03]: That's all. [3:15:04, 3:15:12]: Thank you. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen. Budget's passed at this point. Mayor Mayor. If we could. Councilman Thomas. [3:15:13, 3:15:33]: We we we still can deal with the issue that we were talking about, which is uh again we were talking about what we're gonna do in terms of um the police department and then the code enforcement. So certainly there was a suggestion made that there was a six month term and that six month term [3:15:33, 3:15:48]: would be used to come back and to reevaluate this particular issue in six months since there does not P of B a will to and people want more information. Are you conducive to that to have this revisited in six months? [3:15:52, 3:15:57]: Can we have this as an agenda item at the uh r retreat? [3:15:58, 3:16:07]: Certainly. Are you agreeable to that, Mr. Gardner, that we would have this item uh at the retreat and we'll revisit it to blanch it out in more detail? [3:16:07, 3:16:09]: Ritual tree, the mark tree. [3:16:10, 3:16:12]: Or the NLC or the weather retreat. [3:16:16, 3:16:27]: Uh the earliest one. So March. Uh and love I've got topic. Remember too, we're gonna have a quick retrieval January eighth both. [3:16:28, 3:16:46]: Homestead exemption and frost. Well the the March retreat. So the March retreat. Okay. And if I know this is something we're all since we're talking about it, at that retreat can we also discuss the special projects as where we can go with the road service carrying some community? [3:16:46, 3:16:47]: Sure. [3:16:57, 3:16:58]: Okay, look. [3:16:59, 3:17:17]: Excuse me, about what the city needs to do as it relates to the homestead exemption. Um, I will just say this, this has been complicated. Um, and it even got a little bit more complicated after we had our manager's meeting with the tax assessor. [3:17:17, 3:17:21]: Literally based on the way this is the law is written. [3:17:22, 3:17:29]: I'm supposed to get you guys uh have have a budget for twenty twenty six ready by March first. [3:17:29, 3:17:29]: Okay. [3:17:31, 3:17:51]: All right. Right. So we're still trying to iron out some of these requirements and working with ACCG and GMA, but um we have another meeting coming up and to get a little bit more clarity from them as it relates to this. Uh so it's still a lot almost a lot of jurisdictions are still dealing with how they're gonna do this and talking to Michael and [3:17:51, 3:17:58]: and his team. Um that's across the board for some of the taxes. But we'll talk more about that on at that Monday Monday meeting. Thank you. Thank you. [3:17:58, 3:18:00]: All right, so we'll handle it in March then. [3:18:01, 3:18:11]: Council consideration to approve the comprehensive plan and agreement pertaining to the water and sewer services between Henry Canyon Water and Sewage Authority and the City of Stobbridge. Mr Aaron, please. [3:18:20, 3:18:40]: Uh yes, sir, Mr. Mayor and Council. Come before you tonight, Mr. Gardner and I have been meeting with uh Mr. Carnell and the Henry County Water Authority about the service delivery strategy component for water and sewer provisions in Henry County and the city of Stockbridge. And one of the things that had been bothering us that was in the previous service. [3:18:40, 3:18:42]: Delivery strategy is that [3:18:43, 3:19:03]: Whenever there was a master meter that the city was purchasing water from the Herring County Water Authority through, the Herring County Water Authority received three hundred dollars in impact fees. So that's been a bone of contention with us for the the previous past eight years as to why should we first of all pay you an impact fee when we're [3:19:03, 3:19:23]: Also buying water from you. So they agreed to remove that from the new agreement. And so everything else stays the same because our service area has pretty much been locked in based on previous annexations and decisions from previous council members. So there's really no opportunities to explain. [3:19:23, 3:19:42]: expand the water and sewer system. We're just located within the footprint we currently have, but I think the biggest adjustment was not paying that$300 per lot in impact fees off of Master Meter. So we ask that you approve the adoption of the revised service delivery strategy for water and sewer provisions. [3:19:42, 3:19:45]: All right. Is there a motion to accept the proposal? [3:19:46, 3:19:50]: There's a motion. Okay, Mr. Alzheimer's is there a second? [3:19:51, 3:19:53]: Mr. Barress, I'll favor please indicate. [3:19:55, 3:20:09]: Okay, what do we got here? Mr. Thomas? Okay, is it four four four? Yeah, Miss Ganson, four. Thank you. Uh Sharon? Thank you, sir. No problem. Council uh consideration to approve the contract with uh [3:20:10, 3:20:22]: SAGE S Networks Incorporated to provide uh cloud based software licensing, maintenance, and support services in an amount of fifty eight thousand three hundred eighteen dollars a year. Mr. Ryan, please. [3:20:22, 3:20:25]: Good evening. Um this proposal [3:20:26, 3:20:46]: is to replace our existing um building permitting and licensing software. Currently we're on the um uh title technologies product called Intergov and currently it's not sufficient for for our operations today. Uh it doesn't allow for online capabilities. It's not user-friendly. [3:20:46, 3:21:06]: And it still requires us to do a lot of manual tests. And um it doesn't interface with the county tax assessor software. So Sage's does all that. It's user-friendly. It interfaces with Henry County Tax Assessor Software because Henry County uses Sage's also. It's more modern. [3:21:05, 3:21:25]: lead to the department being more efficient in delivering um building permitting and licensing. Uh and it would eliminate the the large need for us to do a lot of manual tests. Business licensing, um they have to do a big mail out every year when it comes to doing um uh business license renewal. This will help in that [3:21:27, 3:21:30]: In that process, uh [3:21:32, 3:21:39]: Here's a comparison of the two. The current annual cost that we pay to Tyler is sixty-three thousand. [3:21:40, 3:22:00]: Uh Tyler Technology currently does not allow us to have online capabilities for customers to use to complete entire applications. It's inefficient, slow, and difficult to navigate, not very user-friendly. No online payment capabilities. Once again, it does not interface with Henry County's tax assessor software. [3:22:00, 3:22:20]: Not very user-friendly, cost prohibitive. Uh training costs and support associated is very expensive. And tack technical support is lacking. And it's kind of anquest anquit and antiquated for our current department needs. Currently the product that we're [3:22:20, 3:22:40]: Seeking permission to go under contract with, Sage is it has online capability for customers to complete their entire application process online. User-friendly, interfaced with Henry County Tax Assessor Software, online payment cap capability, is modern, efficient, productive, adaptive, and it will save staff time. [3:22:40, 3:23:00]: Also, they have excellent customer support. They're a local company. They're based here in Atlanta. Lower training costs, lower cost compared to Tyler's a product. The five-year annual cost will be$58,318 versus the$63,000 for our Tyler. And after five years, their cost will decrease. [3:23:00, 3:23:12]: increased to forty four thousand three hundred and twenty eight dollars. So that's a savings of approximately nineteen thousand a year after five years, after we paid us, we financed the seventy thousand dollar startup and implementation costs. [3:23:17, 3:23:23]: So here's the basically the scope of the work for you to s scope of work for you to see. Let me try to make it a little larger. [3:23:31, 3:23:32]: Oh. [3:23:42, 3:23:45]: So um like I previously mentioned, um [3:23:46, 3:24:06]: It would come in for our business, our building and permitting, our planning and zoning division, and our business services. And and we do have um the capability to expand to code enforcement if the police department decides to uh partner with us. It's already been paid for. It's included in this in these costs. [3:24:06, 3:24:26]: Like year one, the cost is$44,000, but we add in an additional one-time prorated cost because of the$70,000 startup implementation cost. We decide to finance over that over a five-year period, which brings the total to$58,000,$318,000 a year, including the prorated start. [3:24:26, 3:24:32]: Implementation costs, we're still saving almost five thousand dollars a year versus our current product. [3:24:35, 3:24:41]: So here's the contract and here's including the sc the scope of the work and the breakdown of all that they will provide. [3:24:43, 3:24:45]: So we're asking for approval. [3:24:46, 3:24:50]: All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Uh motion to approve this uh request. [3:24:52, 3:24:54]: Yes, ma'am? [3:24:54, 3:25:05]: Uh I'm sorry. Oh I just have a real quick question. So this is already budgeted for in our twenty twenty five budget current. Yes, we uh we budgeted for our the current product and yes [3:25:05, 3:25:20]: Okay. It's it it sounds better. The ability to be pay online will save a lot of time. Everybody goes to that right now. So I like to make a motion to approve um this contract with Sage Network. Um to [3:25:21, 3:25:27]: Okay, from Miss uh uh Miss Gantt to Mr. Alexander. Motion made the second law favorite, please indicate. [3:25:29, 3:25:31]: The NAMS decision? [3:25:33, 3:25:34]: Yeah. [3:25:40, 3:25:46]: Okay, the motion motion pass four four zero. Got it. [3:25:50, 3:26:10]: All right. Thank you. Uh thank you, Ryan. Appreciate it. All right. Okay. Council consideration uh for appointees to Stockbridge uh Citizen Police Academy Council for one year. And it seems as though I need a this is uh we got uh Mr. Da uh Mr. Nathan Banks and Miss Judy Neil, both zone two and zone four. [3:26:10, 3:26:15]: Police chief appointee. Uh sir, you're good uh chief. Could you come to the podium please? [3:26:23, 3:26:30]: So your appointees uh for zone two is uh Mr. Nathan Banks and zone four, Ms. Judy Neal for one of your appointments. [3:26:33, 3:26:53]: Uh yes, sir, that's r that's correct. Um is y you may or may not recall but uh the initial council appointments, uh we had a lottery, it was a one year and a two year appointment. And um this would be for uh and and you have the option to renew for one year, so this would be uh renewal for the current members, Mr. Nathan Banks and Miss Judy Neal who represent [3:26:53, 3:26:58]: Okay. Council, I need a motion to accept this, please. [3:26:58, 3:27:04]: So moved. Is there a second? Second. Move came from Miss Skant to Mr. Downs on all favor, please indicate. [3:27:05, 3:27:20]: NASA decision. Okay. And then uh Reverend Doctor M L Lavell Sanders at large, it's actually my appointee. So um think he's a great great gentleman to be on on the on the Citizens Police Academy advisory council. So otherwise uh is there a motion to accept him, please? [3:27:21, 3:27:25]: So move. Okay. So move. I got got uh Mr. Berry here. Is a second? [3:27:26, 3:27:40]: I second. Okay, Miss Gantt second. Alfred, please indicate. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, then we have District One Representative, Miss Carmen Reese. Uh that's you, Miss Gantt. You good with that? So moved. Okay. Sir second? [3:27:41, 3:27:44]: Ms. Bar Mr Berry second law favorite, please indicate. [3:27:44, 3:27:46]: Okay, fantastic. Uh there's a nice decision there. [3:27:48, 3:27:53]: I'm staying in from the Oh you're staying, I'm sorry. I'm excuse me. So okay, uh vote on that against four zero one. [3:27:54, 3:27:58]: Mr. Mr. Thomas, you voted for? Okay, four zero one. Okay. [3:27:59, 3:28:15]: Okay. Uh uh Dr. Thomas Smith, District Two, Councilmember Pointee, and that uh uh that's you, Mr. Uh so moved. Okay, so for Mr. Thomas, so move is there second? Second uh Miss Berry sec Mr. Berry's second then all fair, please indicate. [3:28:16, 3:28:26]: It's came you was that NAMS decision? Oh NAMS decision there. Okay, so we're good in that part. Council consideration of appointments of Stockbridge Planning Commission for a four year term. [3:28:26, 3:28:31]: Mr. Stanley Doomis, District One, uh Councilmember Pointy for renewal, Ms. Gantt. [3:28:31, 3:28:33]: So moved. Okay. So a second. [3:28:35, 3:28:37]: Okay, Mr. Mr. Berry, second offer, please indicate. [3:28:38, 3:28:43]: Okay, four, Mr. Youth Good, Mr. [3:28:44, 3:28:49]: Ms. Alexander? Okay, so it's uh four zero I know four what are you you're opposed you're opposed to [3:28:50, 3:29:06]: Okay, go ahead. Four four one uh four one it passes, Mr. Alzheimer's against four one. Yes. Okay. Okay. District number two, Mr Jaden William uh Williams, uh council member appointee, renewal, uh Mr Thomas, that's your appointment. [3:29:06, 3:29:17]: So move for Mr. Thomas. Is there a second? Ms. again what was that? J Jaden Jaden Williams. For what? For counsel is this for the planning commission. All these are for planning commission. This is for a four year term. [3:29:19, 3:29:38]: Okay, so Mr. I'm sorry, ms I'm sorry, I have some concerns. Okay. The gentleman has announced that he's running for public office. Uh yeah, yes. So I mean, are you gonna be the he gonna be to serve a full four year term? I I would and he's committed to say that he's already announced his candidacy for another race? [3:29:40, 3:29:43]: Mayor piles when we respond to the I'm sorry, would you say Miss Hollywood? [3:29:44, 3:29:49]: So until he qualifies, he is just a citizen. [3:29:49, 3:29:56]: Once he qualifies he has to uh resign from the planning commission. That is correct. [3:29:56, 3:30:00]: And the qualification is in August of twenty twenty. [3:30:02, 3:30:08]: qualification August twenty twenty twenty, but I mean is he committed to serve only six months? [3:30:09, 3:30:22]: Or eight months? Well I don't know. He's mister he's actually Mr Thomas' appointe. He's on distribute appointee. If that's what he chooses, it's okay. I just wanted to make sure that that was the issue. He's only committing to serve for eight months. Yeah. [3:30:28, 3:30:28]: Okay. [3:30:32, 3:30:34]: Okay, the correction made, okay. [3:30:35, 3:30:41]: Okay, Mr Mr. Thomas says so uh so move in this aspect. Need a second uh to the motion? Till we get a second. [3:30:42, 3:30:49]: Mayor. Okay, um yeah, Miss Gan uh Miss Miss Barber seconded that motion, yes. She did. Miss Barber seconded the motion. Okay. Okay. [3:30:49, 3:30:50]: You had something there? [3:30:51, 3:31:09]: No, it's okay. I was just gonna say I I tend to I thought when you have district appointees that we respect each other's appointment, but I get it. Well I get it. I I'm just respect I get it. I I normally just thought that's what I was saying, everybody should just respect each other's appointment. Okay. So all in favor, please in the K? [3:31:10, 3:31:30]: Okay, Namester City. Okay, now what we had here, so obviously this Miss Christina Didmar cannot be because you already got that appointment. That's a new applicant, so that individual cannot be uh the on the planning commission because you already have someone on there now for district two. So uh we have to skip that. And Miss uh Tamika Walker, District Five. [3:31:30, 3:31:33]: five uh council member appoint appointing Mr Alexander. [3:31:34, 3:31:54]: My current representative has chosen to resign up chosen not to uh continue their term. Uh Miss Walker is a candidate, I mean is a citizen who lives in my district. She's been very active as volunteer for m several city events. She was at the volunteer gala and uh [3:31:54, 3:32:13]: uh certainly I do recommend her for appointment. Okay, is there a second amount? A second. And Ms. Gans second all favor, please indicate. All right, she now's decision there. Now we'll move on to council uh consideration uh for of appointments for the public facilities authority for a four year term and this is uh Miss uh Trina Trina Christ what is it [3:32:13, 3:32:24]: Christina Disrina Dismuke. Christrina Disbuke. All right. And uh I I don't know her, but uh is there a motion to accept her to this re responsibility, this position? [3:32:27, 3:32:32]: Is there a motion to accept uh Christina dispute to this? [3:32:34, 3:32:54]: Okay. Uh so there's no motion. Okay, so I guess we'll move on. All right, council consideration of appointments for Stockbridge Youth Council Advisory Committee for two year terms. And this is uh Miss Bonita Adams, uh Miss Jaquina Carter. Jacqueline. Jacqueline Carter. Excuse give me straight here. [3:32:54, 3:33:12]: Mr. Rika Goins, which is a new appointee, uh, Miss Kathleen Nash, Miss Valerie Richmond Reese, and Doctor Thomas Smith. Okay, is there a motion to accept all those individuals? So moved. Oh I'm sorry. You are, go ahead. [3:33:13, 3:33:33]: So move. I second. Okay, this so move. So from Mr. Berry to Miss Gann. All favor, please indicate. Okay, she now succeeds. Okay. All right. Um now we're going to actually announcements, uh, meetings announcements. And this is uh initially from the this next the first announcement. [3:33:33, 3:33:53]: From the Main Street staff. This deals with the City of Stockbridge and Carklin Library. Present community scan day. The community is invited to participate in a special project to archive and preserve your community's rich history, share your memories of the old Stockbridge, and contribute to the collection of that reflects and diverse history and [3:33:53, 3:34:13]: Experiences of our city for future generations. This interactive event takes place January 21st, 23rd, and 25th at the Carklin Library located at 174 Burke Street in downtown Stockbridge. This event will also include opportunities to digitize your personal photos and documents of your own records. [3:34:13, 3:34:20]: Scan day is free and open to the public. Registration is required. For more information, contact Starbury's Main Street office or Carklin Library. [3:34:22, 3:34:42]: And we'll talk of further um meetings and announcements. It will include uh council meetings are held in the city council chamber. Meeting dates, location, and times of subject change. We'll contact city hall offices at 770-389-7900. Or visit the website at www.starbridgega.org for updates. Planning commission meeting third. [3:34:42, 3:35:02]: Thursday of each month, 6 30 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, December 19th. Stockbridge Citizens Police Advisory Council meeting first Thursday of each month at 6:30 p.m. Stockbridge Police Community Room, 4545 North Henry Boulevard, January 2nd. Community Zoning and Information Meeting, Thursday, January 2nd from 6 p.m. to [3:35:01, 3:35:21]: 7 p.m. the City Hall Council Chambers. The U Council meeting first Monday of each month at 6:30 p.m. City City Hall Levi Meeting Room January 6th. City Council meeting, second Monday of each month, January 13th, 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers. The Main Street Advisory Board meetings on second Friday of each month at 9 a.m. [3:35:21, 3:35:41]: Location in Downtown Connection Center, 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, January 10th. City Council Retreat meeting January 8th and 9 o'clock AM Mural Manors Conference Center, 111 Davis Road. Citywide Development Authority meeting the second Tuesday of each month at City Hall in the Levi Meeting Room at 6 p.m. January. [3:35:41, 3:36:01]: January 14th. The Downtown Development Authority meeting third Tuesday of each month at the Downtown Devent Connection Center, 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, January 21st. U Council Advisory Committee meeting, 6:30 p.m. third Tuesday of each month. The Levi Meeting Room, City Hall, January 21st. City Council works [3:36:01, 3:36:21]: Session meeting held on the last Tuesday of each month, the 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, January 28th. Upcoming city events and initiatives. Join Councilman Thomas for the monthly bingo bash on Wednesday, January 15th from 10 a.m. to 12 noon. Merlomena's conference center. Lots of fun to be had by all. Join Councilman Elton and Alexander if we could. [3:36:21, 3:36:41]: Community cleanup date Saturday, January 18th, from 9 a.m. to eleven uh a.m. Location to be determined. Join Mayor Anthony Ford for the monthly meet the mayor on Tuesday, January twenty eighth from ten a.m. to twelve noon, city hall, and in meetings or by appointment. Councilman Thomas is on and veterans and continuous salute to all year long. Please send your pictures. [3:36:41, 3:37:01]: of veterans and their name, branch, rank, and years of service. And that'll go to Roslyn Rawls. Join Calcman Thomas, if you don't uh don't trash Stockbridge initiatives centered around education, highlighting the causes and effects of littering, illegal dumping, and more information to follow, please contact Rosalind Rawls to schedule an appointment to meet the mayor for [3:37:01, 3:37:21]: For more information on council initiatives and events at 678-833-3348 or by way of email, ralls at stopbridgega.org. And my comments for this evening deal with the fact that this is December flu season. Take your flu shot, take your COVID boast boosters, you need to be healthy. Saspect, happy holidays, happy new year. [3:37:21, 3:37:41]: Hopefully we'll have a great prosperous New Year in this aspect. So everybody be healthy, enjoy your your holidays with your family, family, friends, and uh and uh and have a safe uh entry into New Year. And on that note, uh Council, we actually have uh Zeke session that deals with uh primary real estate uh in this aspect. So I need a motion to go into Zechar. [3:37:41, 3:37:42]: Echo session, please. [3:37:44, 3:37:51]: Okay, for real estate matters there s is there a second to that. [3:37:52, 3:38:03]: I s I second. Where uh we I second. Okay, on fair please indicate. Okay, it's that uh three of you here. We'll go into the second session of real estate. We'll back shortly, ladies and gentlemen. [3:38:15, 3:38:15]: Mm-hmm. [3:38:47, 3:39:00]: Okay, uh clerks in play in place. All right, uh Council, I need a motion to end the second session, please. So move. Okay, for Mr. Alexander. Okay. Mr. Barrett, second down, all in favor, please indicate. [3:39:00, 3:39:08]: All right unanimous decision there with three votes. Uh now I need a motion to reconvene our our city council uh work session, please. [3:39:08, 3:39:10]: So move. Mr. Berry. [3:39:10, 3:39:12]: I second. Ms. Gantt second then offered to present the case. [3:39:13, 3:39:15]: And from our executive session we have um [3:39:16, 3:39:21]: We have something we need to bring forward and uh Mr Quinn Washington, please. [3:39:21, 3:39:22]: Yeah. [3:39:24, 3:39:25]: Oh put your mic on, please, sir. [3:39:27, 3:39:39]: There's been a request that at one sixteen Davis Road that we transfer the property to the downtown development authority for habitat community for habitat for humanity um proposing the [3:39:40, 3:40:00]: For Habitat for Humanity proposal. The proposal is to subdivide and build two homes with an MOU with this consistent with Council's conditions that I will outline and a development agreement. Council's conditions are a two-car garage, brick front with fence, and the property is [3:40:00, 3:40:13]: uh the property's track is noted as S one eight dash zero two zero three three zero zero and any variances will be approved administratively by the community department, the Community Development Department Director. [3:40:14, 3:40:34]: Sir, I'd like to say I'd like to um motion to approve this and to thank Henry County for allocating the funding to make these projects come to fruition and to thank Habitat Humanity for bringing affordable homes to downtown Stockbridge. Is there a second? I second. Ms. Gasang, please indicate Shinel's to see. [3:40:34, 3:40:54]: Decision on that note. Thank you very much. Now, Council, I need a motion to end our meeting for 2024. So moved. So moved. Ms. Gantt and Mr. Berry, all in favor of presentation. All right. Good night, everybody. Happy. [3:41:04, 3:41:04]: Okay, this is

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2024-12-09 source: 2024-12-09_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:01:16, 0:01:18]: All right ladies, uh how you doing this evening? [0:01:19, 0:01:20]: A good deal. [0:01:20, 0:01:33]: We're going to start off with the ceremonial part of our meeting tonight. And so I have two proclamations, some announcements in reference to some of our employees. And so we're going to start tonight with Delta Sigma Theta. So ladies, come on up, please. [0:01:41, 0:01:53]: Now I'm gonna stand about right here so you can go on the left right side. Okay. Just gather around. I know you all had a fantastic time last night. Thank you. All right. [0:01:56, 0:02:00]: Come on around, ladies. [0:02:02, 0:02:03]: Yeah. [0:02:05, 0:02:05]: Mm. [0:02:06, 0:02:19]: And we have a Sarwar taking the pictures and documenting all this. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Okay. Proclamation City of Stockbridge, Georgia. Listen up, folks, please. [0:02:19, 0:02:23]: The recognition of Delta Sigma Theta Sority, Henry County Alumni, Chapter. [0:02:24, 0:02:31]: Whereas the visionary team of Veronica or Renee crutches uh Michelle, is that how he pounds it? B B Hale. [0:02:32, 0:02:38]: Janice J. Jones, Janice Janice L. Jones, in conjunction with the steering committee of Gloria A. Lee. [0:02:38, 0:02:42]: Simone W. Martin and Daisy L. Smith. [0:02:42, 0:03:00]: Henry County alumni alumni chapter, right? Yes. You're not live now? I thought we were alive. Well good thing we were live then. I was I was screwing that up. Okay. [0:03:00, 0:03:04]: Sorry ladies, I'll try to get this straight. [0:03:05, 0:03:09]: [190.0, 194.6]: I love that. I love that. No problem. [0:03:16, 0:03:17]: Okay, so [0:03:20, 0:03:21]: Okay. [0:03:25, 0:03:26]: Sure enough. [0:03:28, 0:03:34]: Sadika, what's wrong? You got the wild expression on your face like, What's going on here? Oh no, we're good. [0:03:35, 0:03:54]: Yeah, just chilling with the mayor. Hanging out with the mayor. Watch out now. Yeah, we got you covered in red today. Yeah, I I got that. I I appreciate that. It's uh three out of four days too. Yeah, something like that. It's been a few days. [0:03:57, 0:04:17]: And it's how you pronounce it. So it's not alumni. It's like gum tree. Lumni. Okay. You're live now. All right. Take two. All right. Proclamation, City Stockbridge, Georgia, in recognition of Delta Sigma Theta Sward Incorporated. [0:04:17, 0:04:37]: Henry County Alumni chapter. Okay, whereas the visionary team of Veronica Renee Crutches, Michelle B. Hale, Janice L. Jones, in conjunction with the steering committee of Gloria A. Lee, Simone W. Morton, and Daisy L. Smith, substantiated Henry County's need for Delta Sigma Theta suward and incorporated five-point problematic thrust. [0:04:37, 0:04:43]: Whereas Henry County Alumni chapter was charted in December fourth, two thousand four. [0:04:43, 0:04:46]: Somehow I I got a little familiar with that date. [0:04:46, 0:05:06]: Anyway, let me let me I I digress. I'm sorry, ladies. Excuse me for a second. All right. And we come to 969 chapter, Delta Sigma Theatre Award Incorporated. Henry County Alumni Chapter volunteers at Starbury City Council back to school and adopt a family Christmas toy giveaway events. And whereas Henry County Alumni Alumni Chapter advocates [0:05:06, 0:05:15]: Advocated for keeping Stockbridge together in the fall of 2017 and later collaborated with the mayor's office to host the annual Returning Citizens Job Fair. [0:05:15, 0:05:35]: to that hired 75 ex-offenders. And whereas the Henry County Alumni Chapter was awarded over$200,000 in college scholarships, raised money in the American Council Society, American Heart Association, and St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital, rested over 3,000 new voters, hosted economic and educational development workshops, junior tank, [0:05:35, 0:05:55]: Southside Women of Business Expos, Health Fairs, and Armed Uh With Knowledge Symposiums. Whereas the Henry County Alumni Chapter has was bestowed with the Women's History Month Award in 2018, the Volunteer Award of 2019, the Heritage Award of 2019 as well. Whereas the Henry County Alumni Chapter commemorates twenty years of public service. [0:05:55, 0:06:01]: and community advocacy with the theme of Seren Serenade, Twenty Years of Sisterhood, Scholarship, Service, and Social Action. [0:06:02, 0:06:06]: Now therefore I Anthony S. Ford by Virtue Authority Vest in me as a mayor city star breeze, Georgia. [0:06:06, 0:06:13]: Now on behalf of city council members um Elton Alexander, Londa Barber, Cowberry, Lakeisha Gann, Afonso Thomas do hereby. [0:06:13, 0:06:21]: Recognize Delta Sigma Theatre Award Incorporated, Henry County Alumni Chapter for their outstanding work and contribution to the city of Stockbridge and the Henry County community. [0:06:22, 0:06:32]: And witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand in Grace Seal City, Stockbridge, Georgia, on the eighth day of December and here our Lord, two thousand and twenty four. And I signed a proclamation along with a cleric for National Holiday. Congratulations, ladies. [0:06:35, 0:06:46]: All right, no problem. Now, whenever we do this, whoever gets the award, the proclamation, you have the podium. So the mic is yours, whatever you'd like to say. You're the current president, is that correct? I am. Okay, Madam President, please. [0:06:48, 0:07:08]: Thank you. Good evening. My name is Demetra Daniels, and I am the president of the Henry County Alumni Chapter of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Incorporated. And I, along with our first vice president, Deshaun Bullard, our second vice president, Dr. Rosalind Matthews, and over 420 members of the Henry County Alumni Chapter, we are [0:07:08, 0:07:11]: So honored to receive this uh proclamation. [0:07:11, 0:07:31]: In recognition of our 20th chapter charter anniversary, we have long been partners with the Henry County community, namely the City of Stockbridge, and we are definitely proud of many events that we have held to help uplift and bolster this community. But we are most proud of giving back over$200,000. [0:07:31, 0:07:37]: dollars in scholarships and registering over three thousand community members. [0:07:37, 0:07:39]: in the Henry County community. [0:07:40, 0:07:49]: So again, we thank you for this recognition and we look forward to many more years of partnership. Absolutely. Thank you very much. [0:07:49, 0:07:50]: Now [0:07:51, 0:07:55]: We got you got the task to get a great big picture with all of us in it. So ladies, somehow [0:07:56, 0:08:09]: This way from Alabatonium. You're right, try to get out of maybe have to double triple up and everything. And since you're the president and all your leadership team, waiting in the front, hold the proclamation there, ladies. [0:08:13, 0:08:25]: Comfortable. You are a taller mate, so make sure you see me. [0:08:29, 0:08:31]: [514.0, 515.1]: Well that's well. [0:08:37, 0:08:39]: Yeah. Yeah. [0:08:57, 0:08:58]: The fine on the wall. [0:08:58, 0:09:03]: But we went to that. [0:09:03, 0:09:10]: Oh yeah, no matter what. [0:09:15, 0:09:25]: That's right. That's right. I'll find it. That was a dead time. [0:09:34, 0:09:37]: I don't know. [0:10:45, 0:10:52]: [658.0, 671.5]: Awesome and the young man I told you that didn't hold the cute council I said you have been his mother, she had president helps. Very nice. [0:11:13, 0:11:16]: [677.2, 679.2]: [0:11:19, 0:11:21]: Okay. [0:11:25, 0:11:27]: Yeah, I always [0:11:32, 0:11:33]: Yeah, yeah. [0:11:34, 0:11:38]: And I don't know. [0:11:44, 0:11:45]: And [0:11:47, 0:11:50]: That's a result of it. [0:12:01, 0:12:03]: Yeah. [0:12:05, 0:12:06]: Yeah, [0:12:07, 0:12:09]: This is bad. [0:12:10, 0:12:15]: [748.0, 755.0]: All right, ladies, you you can st we have a meeting tonight. You can stay as long as you like, okay, but if you don't mind, I have another proclamation to read, all right? [0:12:36, 0:12:39]: All right, so uh the Onyx Book Club. Come on up, please. [0:12:51, 0:12:54]: All right ladies, why don't you come on either side of me? Okay. [0:12:56, 0:12:56]: There we go. [0:12:57, 0:13:04]: We'll do this. This is a proclamation for recognition of the Onyx Book Club thirty year anniversary celebration. [0:13:04, 0:13:05]: Congratulations. [0:13:07, 0:13:19]: Whereas Sandra Mingle started the Onyx Book Club in 1994 with five of her friends, and whereas since the membership has surpassed sixty-plus avid readers ranging in the age from thirty-five to eighty plus. [0:13:20, 0:13:23]: Throughout the Metro Atlanta and few cities in Florida and Alabama. [0:13:25, 0:13:31]: For the past thirty years, the Onyx Book Club has read over two hundred and ten nonfiction and fictional books. [0:13:31, 0:13:45]: For every uh of every genre genre written by people of color, members and list members read and listen to the books of all ethnicities ethnicities, and challenges family, friends, co-workers, and each other to read. [0:13:45, 0:14:05]: During a 30-year journey, the Honor's Book Club members have become so much more than a book club. Love for books may have brought them the group together, but many of the members have become lifelong friends who share in the joys of life and support one another during difficult times. Whereas many authors have joined and led book discussions, shared their experiences, and speak about their next book. [0:14:05, 0:14:19]: or Business's venture, business ventures, including Dr. Anthony T. Brower, Browder, Pearl Clivitch, R. M. Johnson, Dr. Joe Lester, Daniel Black, Stacy Abrams, Brian Thompson, [0:14:20, 0:14:25]: Marcy K Bell, Doctor Katrina P. Leong, Hank Stewart, Velma [0:14:25, 0:14:26]: Mayla. [0:14:26, 0:14:28]: Thomas and Tina McCours. [0:14:28, 0:14:45]: To name a few. Some members of Honest Book Club have become published authors. Katrina's Kitchen Cookbook by Dr. Katrina P. Young. Ray's Game, Changing Success Strategy for Women Leaders by Jackie Stalins Evans. Girlfriend Therapy by Dr. Kelly Regan Wentley. [0:14:45, 0:15:05]: With co-authors of the Onyx Book Club, Angela Honey Brown, Hood, and Yolanda Roscoe. Whereas for the next phase of the journey, the Onyx Book Club members are interested in providing books for women and children in shelters. And therefore, our Anthony Sforber, Virgil's Authority Vested in me, as the mayor of City of Stockbridge, Georgia. And on behalf of Stockbridge City Council members, Elton Alan Xander Alanda, Barber Kyle, Berry. [0:15:05, 0:15:15]: Keys again and Afonso Thomas, to hereby recognize the Onyx Book Club for spreading their love and literacy throughout the years as you celebrate the thirtieth anniversary. Congratulations. [0:15:15, 0:15:35]: And whereas I have here unto hereunto set my hand, the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the seventh day of December, year of our Lord, two thousand twenty-four, and I signed a proclamation on the law when I cleared Vanessa Holiday. Congratulations. And I'm giving this to you, Karen. Or whoever that was. Now I didn't get everybody's okay. I didn't get everybody's name. So this is the one that found the side. Yes. [0:15:35, 0:15:40]: Yes, Yesandra. Yes, I am. Outstanding. Thank you. The floor is yours. [0:15:41, 0:16:01]: Yes, um my name is Sandra Mingo and we have uh a few of our members here obviously. Uh we have Zeta Ferguson, we have Helen Langston, and we also have Sherelle Williams. And as uh Mayor Ford mentioned, we do have approximately sixty plus members. [0:16:01, 0:16:21]: And I would imagine most of them are probably working right now. However, uh, we did get together because we wanted to read books that are written by people of color and also discuss the issues that are about people of color. So uh our next [0:16:21, 0:16:38]: phase as we mentioned we do want to uh address books with people that are in shelters mostly women and children but we also want to help men start their own book clubs so uh [0:16:38, 0:16:52]: If there are any men here that would like to be involved in a book club, just give me your name and number and hopefully we'll be able to get something started. But uh thanks again and this is the first [0:16:52, 0:17:12]: Live proclamation that we have received. We did get some others, but this is the first in-person one that we have received. And so thank you very much. You're more than welcome at any time. All right. So we're gonna we're gonna take some pictures over here. Um and by the way, uh if she didn't tell you Helen and Langstead, she and I used to work together [0:17:12, 0:17:29]: many years ago and we were soldiers in the same unit. And military soldiers soldiers in the same unit. You need to get them. Yeah. Yeah we were come on. That's scientists to web side. Right. You know. It's all good. [0:17:35, 0:17:49]: Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. Helen reaching out and talk to me about this, right? So we can get this done, all right? Yeah, right. [0:17:49, 0:17:55]: You take some of the well Oh, let's do this. [0:18:02, 0:18:03]: Yes, you do picture. [0:18:04, 0:18:11]: She all the attack. She's coming to take [0:18:12, 0:18:16]: It could it heats up the I think. [0:18:16, 0:18:19]: [1102.0, 1114.3]: There is no nerf. Thank you. It's been my honour to meet you. Thank you. Oh well. Thank you so much for watching. [0:18:42, 0:18:51]: Also part of the recognition tonight, I want to acknowledge and recognize um several of our city employees and um so [0:18:52, 0:18:58]: And and most of these employees have received some type of recognition during our holiday festival that they had here in the city hall. [0:19:00, 0:19:03]: So five years of service, Christine Chavez. [0:19:04, 0:19:05]: Jason Jackson. [0:19:07, 0:19:10]: Gordon Lyddon. Gordon's actually here. Come on up, Gordon. [0:19:11, 0:19:13]: Lina Logan, she's also here as well. [0:19:14, 0:19:15]: Stephanie Milton. [0:19:17, 0:19:25]: Carrie Ann Stewart and Demetrius Wells, all five years of service. And uh since I mentioned, do you either one of you have anything you wanna say at all? [0:19:28, 0:19:37]: Just wanna say it's been a pleasure working from this for the city of Stockbridge. I am I I live here too and I'm a graduate from Dutchtown High School, so go Bulldogs. [0:19:38, 0:19:39]: [1182.0, 1190.5]: And I'm happy to be here as well. Appreciate you having me and enjoyed my work here. It's very exciting. Absolutely. Thank you very much. All right. [0:19:51, 0:19:55]: We'll we'll get we'll get a picture with everybody if they're off four. [0:19:56, 0:19:57]: I see these all the two. [0:19:59, 0:20:02]: Five years. Right, for five years. [0:20:02, 0:20:08]: Yeah. Okay, sure. Okay. [0:20:23, 0:20:29]: Oh, just as a five you have a five year recognition for you off. [0:20:37, 0:20:39]: I think that is [0:20:43, 0:20:48]: So we have some employees also that received uh tenure uh service recognition, Rex Hill. [0:20:50, 0:21:01]: You need a Smith Sellers and Renee Wheeler, and I don't think any of them are here right now. Fifteen years of service, Jeff Greenway and Tammy Riley. [0:21:03, 0:21:04]: And [0:21:07, 0:21:10]: Surprise is Vanessa Holiday, fifty years of service. [0:21:12, 0:21:13]: Come on up here, Vanessa. [0:21:15, 0:21:21]: And by the way, Vanessa is a reigning uh clerk of the year for the GMA for the entire state of Georgia, by the way. [0:21:25, 0:21:28]: I'm second. I'll say. She's coming. [0:21:43, 0:21:45]: [1306.7, 1310.5]: And let's see here. [0:21:53, 0:21:55]: And a twenty year service recognition. [0:21:56, 0:21:59]: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, excuse me. Excuse me. [0:22:00, 0:22:11]: Hi everybody, I am Vanessa Holliday, City Clerk, and it is my pleasure to serve the City of Stockbridge. If there is anything that I can do to assist you, please just reach out to my office. We are [0:22:11, 0:22:17]: Um one hundred percent willing to help and serve. I love it. Thank you. [0:22:17, 0:22:26]: Twenty years of service. Uh Eddie Albert and Howard S Sanford, and I believe they're not here. Okay. [0:22:26, 0:22:35]: All right, so that ends our recognition thus far for ceremonial portion. And here shortly, as soon as we get a quorum, we'll start our meeting for this evening. All right? Stand by. [0:26:31, 0:26:37]: Ladies and gentlemen, we'll get started with the meeting as soon as I'll we obtain a quorum for the meeting. Okay? So stand by. [0:26:38, 0:26:38]: Thank you. [0:27:57, 0:27:58]: Ms. Gantt? [0:28:12, 0:28:13]: Let's stop. [0:28:23, 0:28:32]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to start our meeting called a meeting in order. This is our council meeting of December 9th. I have 606. [0:28:32, 0:28:38]: And please stand for the invocation. Miss Wanda, please could you come forward and give us an invocation, please? At the mic? [0:28:46, 0:28:48]: Your full name and address, please. [0:28:50, 0:28:57]: And one at Bay Venius, my address is 705 Branton Drive, McDonald, Georgia. [0:29:00, 0:29:02]: Yeah. [0:29:02, 0:29:05]: Father God, as we [0:29:15, 0:29:18]: [1763.7, 1783.7]: With us, that you would guide us in our decision making, that you will always be with the people of Stockbridge, of the county of Henry, and the state of Georgia. Lord, we ask that you bless this nation as well, and bless all the families who are represented here. Let us make this decision. [0:29:43, 0:29:45]: So why and please [0:29:49, 0:30:04]: Amen. We have a pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation underground, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:30:05, 0:30:06]: Roll call, Madam Clerk, please. [0:30:09, 0:30:10]: Evening. [0:30:13, 0:30:14]: Present. [0:30:23, 0:30:24]: Present. [0:30:25, 0:30:29]: Present. Council Member Gang. Present. Council Member Thomas. [0:30:31, 0:30:38]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. I appreciate that. Uh what we have before you, Council, and the public hearing we have public hearing deferred items. Um [0:30:39, 0:30:40]: An announcement. [0:30:40, 0:30:44]: The f fallen items have been deferred and will not be presented tonight. [0:30:45, 0:30:50]: Item number five, a comprehensive plan amendment, KCP two zero two four four four four four four-ten. [0:30:50, 0:30:59]: And in this case, awaiting for the decision of the text amendment for the gas station distance requirement, which is hearing uh hearing date to be determined later. [0:30:59, 0:31:11]: Item number six, special use permit, SP-2024-01. And it's awaiting the season of the text amendment for the gas station. Once again, distance requirement, which will be scheduled at 10 of the date. [0:31:12, 0:31:32]: Item number 14, annexation case EAAX-2024-02. That deals with the SR zoning district does not state whether they need a sewer or septic. Clarification on that. [0:31:32, 0:31:44]: AX-2024-02 and the applicant is changing the site plan and is adding a commercial component to development per Councilman Alexander's request. [0:31:45, 0:32:05]: Item number 15, comprehensive plan amendment, case CP-2024-09. Once again, applicant is changing a site plan and is adding the commercial component to development per. Once again, Councilman Alexander's request. Item number 16, rezoning case RZ-2024-10. Once again, applicant is changing. [0:32:05, 0:32:10]: Changing the site plan and adding a commercial component to development per Consumer Alz Alexander's request. [0:32:10, 0:32:21]: Mayor. Yes, sir. If I could just say a brief word about that. Sure, go ahead. Certainly I encourage all the citizens to be involved and you when you see the zoning signs come up, you have an action [0:32:22, 0:32:42]: Expectation that you will be getting true transparency. Uh what actually happened was uh the plan was submitted, but the plan did not include the um commercial component that uh I had requested or that I believe would be wise for the city because I believe as we move forward in our [0:32:41, 0:33:01]: Comprehensive plan and in our planning for the city that we should make sure that we incorporate mixed-use fashion developments where residents have a close walk, bike ride, or drive to retail outlets. Actually, and folks always ask me about, you know, you put a lot of development in different areas. [0:33:01, 0:33:21]: Areas, but this development is really literally right down the street from my own home. So the same thing that I apply to you, I apply for any development that comes to the particular area. And when we finish with this and the rendition that we've asked for, uh, if you know about the Winding Creek subdivision, which is across Highway 42. [0:33:21, 0:33:41]: The homes will be very similar. Some of them will be larger, up to 3,500 square feet. And then there will be a retail component in that as well. So as uh, you know, to make your trip shorter, would it be great I talk to local residents and talk about wouldn't it be nice to have a grocer or some type of similar retail uh on that corner? [0:33:41, 0:34:01]: as well because if you've ever driven that uh corridor on Highway 42 from McDonough to Stockbridge, there's literally nothing there uh to support uh the commercial side that we uh that we need uh in the community. So be patient. Uh the plan will be resubmitted and uh it'll be the best plan. [0:34:01, 0:34:21]: And I think as Ms. Gantt said at our last meeting, when you come in Stockbridge, we're going to get excellence in everything that we do. I heard I hear those whispers out in the community that people annex to get lower standards. No, they don't. They annex to get the best, and that's what we're going to insist upon in all the development that comes our way. So thank you. [0:34:21, 0:34:22]: Thank you. [0:34:22, 0:34:27]: All right, appreciate that. Um now council in the adoption of the minutes uh the agenda, please. [0:34:28, 0:34:30]: So motion to adopt the agenda. [0:34:31, 0:34:32]: So move. Is there a second? [0:34:33, 0:34:35]: I second. Okay, Ms. Gantt second. All in favor, please indicate. [0:34:36, 0:34:51]: Thank you very much. Unanimous decisions on that. What we have is adoption of the minutes of the adoption of uh minutes from November twelfth, twenty twenty four, council meeting minutes, and also the adoption of minutes from November nineteenth, twenty twenty-four work session minutes. Is there a motion to to receive those as well? [0:34:51, 0:34:53]: So moon. Is there a second? [0:34:53, 0:34:56]: I second. Ms. Dan second dad, is all in fair, please indicate. [0:34:58, 0:35:01]: Okay, it's it's an answer season. Thank you very much. Okay. [0:35:01, 0:35:03]: Madam Clerk, do you have any public comments at all? [0:35:04, 0:35:20]: Okay. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, we had a wonderful ceremonial uh portion of our meeting, uh prior prior to the actual meeting today. Uh Delta Sigma Thena, the local alum alumni chapter, uh celebrated the twenty year anniversary of the one doing wonderful things in the community. We were able to issue a proclamation to them. [0:35:20, 0:35:40]: As well as the uh Onyx Read uh Reading Club, 30 year anniversary, to honor them and amount of reading that they do in the club. I think the sixty plus members in a large contingency from teenagers to eighty-plus year old individuals that actually read books and um use off also highlights individuals that uh pr uh actually write books. [0:35:40, 0:36:00]: books in this aspect. So fantastic for them to honor them in this aspect as well. And we also identified and and at least recognized several employees of the City of Stockbridge. Five years of service, those employees would be Christine Javis, Jason Jackson, Gordon Litton, Linda Logan, which are with us tonight. [0:36:00, 0:36:06]: Stephanie Milton, Carrie Ann Stewart, and Demetrius Wells. Ten years of service would be Rex Hill. [0:36:07, 0:36:27]: Uh Unita Smith Sellers and Renee Wheeler. Fifteen years of service recognized tonight was Jeff Greenway and Tammy Riley, and our own clerk Vanessa Holliday, which is also the reigning clerk of the year for the Georgia Municipal Association in Georgia. And then 20 years of service, Eddie Albert and Harold Sanford were recognized for their service to the city of. [0:36:27, 0:36:27]: Stop reach. [0:36:30, 0:36:39]: Now we have before us a council consent agenda, which deals with the uh everything in 2025, the city holiday schedule. [0:36:40, 0:36:41]: The agenda timeline schedule? [0:36:42, 0:36:43]: The city council meeting scheduled. [0:36:44, 0:37:04]: The planning and zoning commission meeting schedule, the community zoning and information meeting schedule, the citywide development authority meeting schedule, the downtown development authority meeting schedule, the Main Street Advisory Board meeting schedule, Stockbridge Citizens Police Advisory Council meeting schedule, the Urban Redevelopment Agency meeting schedule, the youth council meeting schedule. [0:37:04, 0:37:16]: schedule, youth council advisory committee meeting schedule, the Main Street calendar and events uh schedule, and the city uh city's events calendar. Uh right, and so it's a Kazan agenda, is there a motion to accept this? [0:37:18, 0:37:20]: So moved. [0:37:20, 0:37:23]: Sir. Okay from Miss Canton's house. I'm fairly please indicate. [0:37:24, 0:37:37]: Thank you, Council. Appreciate that. And what we have are the a public hearing now. Now we obviously some the the number item number five and six have been deferred on a public hearing. We'll go to item number seven. [0:37:38, 0:37:52]: And but let me read the public hearing rules at this point. Please move all s mute all cell phones and electronic devices. If anyone wishes to speak tonight on a public hearing item, please fill out the form available on the table and hand it to the city clerk before approaching the podium. [0:37:53, 0:38:07]: After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant or their representative regarding the proposed plans for property along with any other relevant information. The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. [0:38:08, 0:38:28]: Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor or opposed to the case will have the opportunity to do so. Each side will be allotted ten minutes total. Additional time may be extended at the discretion of the counsel. Please keep comments and presentation professional, referring only to the facts that are pertinent to the case. We will not allow comments or personal attacks towards [0:38:28, 0:38:29]: Yeah. [0:38:29, 0:38:49]: Please refrain from any applause or comments from the audience during the public hearing. After the presiding officer recognizes the speaker, he or she shall direct all comments to the presiding officer, and never to the members of the council, staff, or the audience. All comments will be made from the podium, where you will have be required to state your name and address for the record. [0:38:49, 0:38:59]: Please note that these hearings are not a debate. Failure to comply will cause you to be removed from the chamber and a building by law enforcement if you deviate from these proceedings. [0:38:59, 0:39:19]: Other than at the applicant, no person may speak more than once. The applicant may reserve part of part or his or her speaking time as rebuttal and may speak next and last and may use the entire ten minutes allowed for the pro side of the application. If questions are raised, the counsel may ask the applicant to address questions and or concerns. [0:39:19, 0:39:31]: The presiding officer will call for a motion and a second to the motion and have any necessary discussion. If the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for the vote to recommend approval or denial of the request. [0:39:32, 0:39:33]: Item number seven. [0:39:33, 0:39:42]: Comprehensive plan amendment KCP-2024-03. Yes. Uh probably located in Council District 2. [0:39:42, 0:39:58]: Um consideration of comprehensive plan amendments request a change to land uh future land use dis uh designation in a parcel S zero seven dash zero one zero zero six zero zero zero on the east side of Brush Creek. One second here. [0:40:00, 0:40:02]: Okay, so I get the right version of Let Man here? [0:40:07, 0:40:07]: Okay. [0:40:09, 0:40:15]: East side of Brush Creek, uh from its uh future current excuse me, future current [0:40:15, 0:40:35]: From its current future land use designation, low density mixed use to medium density residential, allow for a town home development. Applicant Pivotal Indust Industries Enterprises Pivotal Enterprises LLC CEO of Battle Group PC. The property is located in land lot 59, District 12, and it contains two. [0:40:35, 0:40:55]: 2.28 acres, total acres, and it's going to be presented by Mr. Anderson. Also, with that, uh let's see here. Also with that, the rezoning case, RZ 2024-03, uh property located Council District 2. Consideration uh for the rezoning question. [0:40:55, 0:41:15]: To rezone parcel S07-01006-000 on the east side of Brush Creek Court from C2 General Commercial to MFR, multiple family residentials to allow for a townhome development. Applicant Pivotal Enterprises LLC. [0:41:15, 0:41:23]: The property is located in land lot fifty-nine, district twelve, and it contains two point two eight acres. Once again, Mr. Anderson, please. [0:41:24, 0:41:26]: Uh d did you read all four, Mayor? [0:41:27, 0:41:32]: Did you read all four of the cases? Uh well what it amounts to is that the [0:41:34, 0:41:39]: It's a zone modification. Okay, so otherwise you're talking about item number nine and ten. Yes, sir. Okay. [0:41:40, 0:41:46]: Uh nine ten deals with Davis Road. That's still part of this process? I thought it was separate. [0:41:49, 0:41:54]: It's a zoning modification should be. Okay, number ten is comprehensive plan amendment, but it's for a Davis Road. [0:41:55, 0:42:04]: That would be No th there are four cases associated with this uh Brush Creek Commons Town homes. You got a comp plan, um rezoning, zoning modification. [0:42:05, 0:42:25]: To w okay. So what's the fourth one? I'll I'll read the zoning modification, no problem. Zoning modification case Z uh ZM dash two zero two four-01. Proper look once again proper located in district number two. Consideration of major zoning modification request for a parcel S07A01100000. [0:42:25, 0:42:45]: On the west side of Brush Creek Court to provide for major changes to the previously approved site plan, which was a subject of a zoning modification case ZM-2022-01 in 2022 by allowing for an expansion of the site boundaries to include parcel S07-010-002. [0:42:45, 0:43:05]: on the east side of Brush Creek Commons, which would be developed as phase two of the existing townhome development. Applicant Pivocal Enterprises, excuse me, LLC, CO Battle Group, PC, the property is located in Land Law 59, District 12, and it contains 2.28 total acres. Now that's the third one. That's it. [0:43:05, 0:43:25]: That's it. I would imagine, okay, because the other one next one deals with Davis Road. Yes, sir. All right, Mr. Anderson, uh Mr. Anderson, go ahead, please. Uh good evening. Uh this these three cases are associated with it with an item that came before city council back in November of 2022, where uh the Brush Creek Crummons Commons Town homes the [0:43:25, 0:43:35]: development plan was modified. So what the applicant is seeking tonight is basically to add a phase two and to seek to rezone property that is currently zoned C2. [0:43:38, 0:43:45]: To in total is eighteen point two acres. Um the parcel is um [0:43:49, 0:43:57]: It's fairly level, wooded, and vacant. Property access exists via a 30-foot access easement off North Henry Boulevard to Brush Street Cummings. [0:44:00, 0:44:10]: The current city zone, as May the mayor previously mentioned, is zone C2, and the applicant is seeking to uh rezone that to MFR to build 19 additional townhomes. [0:44:15, 0:44:35]: The surrounding zoning, north of the property, you have a mobile home residential and SR suburban residential. To the south, you got C2, General Commercial, MFR, multifamily residential, and SR suburban residential. To the east, you got suburban residential, and to the west you got heavy commercial. The future land use [0:44:34, 0:44:54]: Designation right now is low density, low density mixed use, and the applicant is seeking to resign, I mean to complain amendment to medium density residential. The surrounding land uses include to the north, two mobile home parks and metal ridge subdivision, to the south, commercial uses, quick trip and the waffle. [0:44:54, 0:45:11]: House and apartment community. To the east you got Metal Ridge subdivision, metal ridge subdivision and individual single family residentials. To the west you got commercial uses. Here's the aerial photo of both phase one and phase two combined of the two parcels. [0:45:15, 0:45:17]: Here's the existing future land use map. [0:45:21, 0:45:26]: And based on that, staff recommended approval for the comp plan. Now I'll move into the rezoning. [0:45:30, 0:45:50]: Uh I'm gonna give you a little background on the um zoning history. Uh originally in two thousand in July 2003, case number uh RZ-0304, the applicant rezoned from R2 single family residential to RM2, which at the time was residential multifamily townhomes. The developer installed a [0:45:50, 0:45:57]: Bush Creek Court, but did not inst uh construct any any uh buildings. There were a development agreement. [0:45:58, 0:46:15]: Plus two amendments. Rezoning included a development agreement followed by two amendments. They included various development conditions and required certain amendments to be included into development. There was a zoning modi zoning modification which was approved by council in September of 2022. [0:46:15, 0:46:19]: And the applicant has started construction on phase one. [0:46:23, 0:46:25]: The surrounding land uses [0:46:25, 0:46:45]: Like I previously mentioned, includes two mobile parks, two mobile home parks and Metal Ridge subdivision to the north. Commercial use is Quick Trip and Waffle House to the south. To the east, you got the Metal Ridge subdivision and individual single-family residence. And to the west, you got commercial uses. The surrounding zoning, to the north, you got the mobile home. [0:46:45, 0:47:05]: Park, which is zone mobile home residential, and SR suburban residential districts. To the south you got C2 General Commercial, MFR and SR Suburban Residential. To the east you got SR Suburban Residential District, and to the west you got C three, which is heavy commercial, and C2. [0:47:09, 0:47:11]: Here's the vicinity zoning map. [0:47:13, 0:47:20]: As you can see that the applicant's request is not incompatible to the rest of the vicinity. [0:47:23, 0:47:25]: Here's a zoning map, a complete zoning map. [0:47:32, 0:47:41]: Here's the phase one site plan. Also south of that is the phase two site plan, which is that which is what the applicant is proposing tonight. [0:47:44, 0:47:45]: Here's a rendering. [0:47:47, 0:47:49]: Other proposed town homes? [0:47:51, 0:47:56]: Staff recommended approval for the rezoning with [0:47:57, 0:48:12]: Around twenty f what around thirteen let me see. There are like twenty seven conditions that staff recommend approval of this zoning item. Now I'll move into the um zoning modification push. [0:48:21, 0:48:28]: Staff basically the zoning modification is similar to the rezoning, so staff basically recommend an approval with condition for the zoning modification as well. [0:48:29, 0:48:37]: And it also has twenty five zoning conditions, which I will read into the record later after the decision is made. And the applicant is here. [0:48:38, 0:48:58]: All right. Thanks, sir. So obviously now let's let's go back to the very first one, right, that you uh read in reference to the comprehensive plan amendment. All right, and um the first up. Uh so um as you mentioned that uh counselor, any questions or concerns you have about that comprehensive plan amendment? [0:48:58, 0:49:00]: Mm-hmm. [0:49:00, 0:49:00]: Yeah. [0:49:00, 0:49:02]: Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. [0:49:03, 0:49:04]: So [0:49:05, 0:49:25]: These three agenda items are in district two. I have met with the staff and had conference with uh Mrs. Battle. Um, I don't have a recommendation, uh, but I would like for Ms. Battle to make her presentation and of course uh count. [0:49:24, 0:49:30]: speak to maybe some of the conditions uh in the development side of it. [0:49:30, 0:49:32]: And I just wanna just m mention that. [0:49:32, 0:49:34]: All right. Uh Miss Battle, please. [0:49:47, 0:49:55]: I would imagine you have a presentation that you wanna present as well. Okay. Trying to get there, honey. Okay. One second. [0:49:59, 0:50:19]: Good evening, Michelle Battle with Battle Law 3562, Habersham at North Lake, Tucker, Georgia, 30084. Um, pleased to be with you all this evening with regards to this um particular project. Um as staff has indicated, um, this project has been around for quite some time. Um, to think that it was uh [0:50:19, 0:50:39]: Originally, um at least phase one was rezoned in 2003, and we still don't have units. Um but um Pivotal Enterprise has come in and taken over the project since the original developer and has proceeded with getting the final plat. So there has been work on phase one, um, but they also had a [0:50:39, 0:50:59]: Acquired this additional 2.28 acres of land and desire to add it into the overall project. I think it really makes sense when you look at the location of this property, which is behind the Waffle House, and also kind of behind across the street though. [0:50:59, 0:51:19]: Quick trip. So this property, currently zone C1, really has no visibility from North Henry Boulevard. And so that makes it very difficult for development for any type of commercial use. We believe that it was much better suited to be added in, particularly when you look at the existing layout and where uh the [0:51:19, 0:51:39]: Amenity area comes down Brush Creek. So the site plan or the aerial that you see here in front just shows where the Waffle House, the quick trip. You've got the uh life storage facility on the other side, then you've got an apartment complex that does abut um a portion of the 2.28 acres. This is the [0:51:38, 0:51:39]: Yeah. [0:51:45, 0:52:01]: designation here in the front, but the rest of Rush Creek has the MFR designation and that's what we're trying to get to. We want to be consistent and compatible in order to be able to add this property into Rush Creek. [0:52:03, 0:52:20]: So the previously approved plan is the plan that you see here. Um and again these lots have now been platted and they are ready, um I believe a close-pad ready to be able to start putting in units. And what we are again looking to do is to add [0:52:22, 0:52:25]: into that space. When we look at [0:52:25, 0:52:45]: Overall site plan, what you see is that phase one had 41 units or has 41 units. Those will be rear entry units with access from a alleyway that runs behind. So they will be again rear access. [0:52:45, 0:53:05]: Will be front entry. That is largely because of the size and shape of this lot. It is an oddly configured shot site. It really does not allow for that rear entry access around the perimeter of the property. And so what we are seeking to do is to add [0:53:05, 0:53:25]: At 20 lots to the overall project that would only bring the density up to 3.39 units per acre. So this is not a real intense use of this site. There is a lot of green space that you can see on the north side of the property as there's some streams that cross over phase one. [0:53:25, 0:53:45]: The amenity areas as a result were actually placed along the entrance. So you can see that there was to be a monument sign, a gazebo with school bus and waiting area, sports field, playground, as you're going up Brush Creek Court. So it really does make sense. [0:53:45, 0:54:05]: For the 2.28 acres to be utilized for residential use as opposed to some type of commercial use that would be directly across from those from that amenity area. So when we join in here, this also allows for this community to have more units. [0:54:05, 0:54:13]: To help maintain the overall green space area and the amenity areas for the site. [0:54:14, 0:54:34]: And I think probably even more exciting, I know that um Councilmember Elliott has placed a lot, and not to say that all of you have not, listen let's be clear, but he and I have had to go back and forth on a couple of locations um in terms of um the townhome configuration and what they look like. And I feel like this is [0:54:34, 0:54:54]: More in alignment with some of the more modern townhome look that the city has been pushing for. It has been very difficult in many locations to get the three-story model in other communities. And so I think the fact that Pivotal has come before you with not being begged or conjoled or told that they needed to go back. [0:54:54, 0:55:14]: And relook at it, but they literally came in with a plan to do the three-story units. I think they're very attractive, a modern look. I think that they would be very attractive for young folks in particular who may want to come into this area or stay in this area. And so we are really excited about the product. Phase one. [0:55:14, 0:55:34]: Phase one will also have this three-story type product as well, and they will be consistent in look and style and feel. The only difference being phase one or rear entry, phase two or front entry. But we still think it's a very attractive look and design for the site. [0:55:34, 0:55:54]: With staff. The land use and comprehensive land use plan change is necessary in order to allow us to go to the MFR designation as staff has already indicated. Again, without making these couple of changes, we won't be able to add this into phase one of the project. The conditions that staff has recommended. [0:55:54, 0:56:05]: Amended um we are um favorable with uh let me see if I can actually get those back up. [0:56:06, 0:56:26]: That's the city's presentation, so I'm going to kind of jump through here. The conditions, we've had an opportunity to review them with staff. We feel that they are appropriate for both the rezoning and the zoning modification. [0:56:26, 0:56:46]: The reason why we had to do the zoning modification. I'm just gonna kind of do my whole presentation and the reason why we have to do the zoning modification is because we want to add this in as phase two of the overall project. And there was a development agreement that was actually executed at the time of this research. [0:56:46, 0:57:06]: rezoning back in 2003 that goes with this. Um attorney Valerie Ross has been working on that development agreement. I believe that staff, um legal staff is here this evening hopefully to be able to address that issue as it was to be on the agenda this evening as well, I believe. [0:57:06, 0:57:26]: And so that may have been the reference to the to the fourth thing, but they may have decided to hold that until the next meeting. I'm not sure, so I won't go go too far into that. But the bottom line is um the conditions that we if if this gets approved, the conditions um for the zoning modification would also [0:57:26, 0:57:46]: Be instituted into the or absorbed into the development agreement. So we had to make sure that we had conditions that applied specifically to phase two, in addition to the kind of general broad conditions, which we were not seeking to do a lot of change to. One of the differences, however, that we did want to point [0:57:46, 0:58:06]: Point out is that the original development agreement had a height cap at 40. We are asking to be consistent with the new MFR requirements, which is 45. We will need that extra in order to do the three stories and to do it in the fashion that you saw on the [0:58:06, 0:58:11]: And then I believe finally [0:58:11, 0:58:31]: Um we had asked for a couple of tweaks um which staff has made. Um one was pertaining to the permit issuance. Um there had been a provision that talked about um needing a land disturbance permit and building permits, um, that those could not be issued until we recorded the final plat. Um that actually [0:58:31, 0:58:51]: Is not possible because you can't get to a final plat without getting the LDP because the LDP puts in all the infrastructure. So Counselor Ross was able to make that modification. So I think that we're set with the proposed conditions and staff will go over, I guess. [0:58:51, 0:59:00]: Guess those in more detail, but we would ask for approval of the application as proposed and conditioned by staff. Thank you. [0:59:00, 0:59:01]: All right. [0:59:01, 0:59:10]: And w one one last point. Um in terms of price points on these units, um they should be starting in about the four fifties um for um for the project. Thank you. [0:59:11, 0:59:18]: All right. Uh don't go anywhere, please. Okay. Questions, uh any questions, counsel you may have for uh for Miss Battle? [0:59:19, 0:59:22]: I was gonna defer to Councilman Thomas if he doesn't have any questions. [0:59:23, 0:59:43]: Go ahead. Go ahead. Let me just say this. Um, I'm glad 2003 never happened. I am. Because this project, I've been over there, I took the time to go over there to see it, and the three-story product is phenomenal. It is. It is price pointed at. I saw the advertisement. [0:59:42, 1:00:02]: The other day for$450, with the finished space, it could go above$500. They are exactly what you would see in a north side development. If this product was on the north side, it would be$600,000,$700,000. The the delta detail that has gone into [1:00:02, 1:00:22]: To it, eight-foot doors, nine-foot ceilings on the bottom and top level, uh, tile showers, granite, office space on the lower level, 2300 square feet. These are town homes that other developers told us wasn't possible to be built in Stockbridge, but this uh raises the bar for the [1:00:22, 1:00:42]: Level of development. I just want to make sure we're consistent. We got the paths in there, we got uh everything else that we demanded of other uh developments in themselves. But you really should did yourself a disservice not bringing a picture of the actual development because it is absolutely stunning. [1:00:42, 1:01:02]: Because again, those rear entry garages and the approach from the rear is very, very attractive. Again, you know, with 500 square feet of flex space in the basement, it could be a full fruit three stories and could go to 3,000 square feet. So these is [1:01:02, 1:01:22]: Is exactly, I think, what we've been looking for because I think we wanted to be an example of saying we wanted townhomes equivalent to what you would see in a single family home. If you walked in this town home, you would not know that you were in a townhome. You would think that you were in a single family home, and uh the [1:01:22, 1:01:42]: Level of quality that they went to just by seeing it and being in its midst, understanding. We've already approved the rear entry model. The front entry model is just as attractive as the rear entry model. And as was indicated, I do believe that this is much better. [1:01:42, 1:02:02]: better suited for this development than to have some residential come there because we've had some some commercial come there that may not be exactly what we desire. So from have from seeing it firsthand basis and the conditions that the staff has actually recommended, I I think it's um it certainly would be [1:02:02, 1:02:08]: Uh it's uh is something that uh the council should certainly consider looking at favorably. Thank you. [1:02:09, 1:02:29]: Mr. Thomas, do you have anything, sir? I just wanted to concur. One of the things that stood out for me was the uh the rear entry, because in some of the other previous development, I always questioned uh the front entries. So uh this is just one of the issues that stands out, but I do concur with uh Councilman Alexander's comment. [1:02:29, 1:02:30]: Okay. [1:02:30, 1:02:32]: Ladies, any comments over here? [1:02:32, 1:02:33]: [3753.9, 3772.3]: I just think it's a great development in general. I love it. I love the look of it. Um, I think that's something that we definitely have stated in the past. Like if we're gonna get a town home, make sure it's a nice townhome. And this is extremely nice. The design of it is desired and it's something that we see [1:02:52, 1:03:12]: in um some of the prominent areas in in Atlanta. Um and so I I love this design and I think that it will definitely attract millennials. Um I think that it's something that that we just we want it and it's the vision that we have here for our city. So [1:03:12, 1:03:14]: That made my life very difficult. [1:03:14, 1:03:25]: Yeah. Moving forward. Right one, Councilman Alexander. Okay. How many bedrooms? [1:03:30, 1:03:31]: Four or five Everons. [1:03:32, 1:03:35]: How many are four and how many are five? Just curious. [1:03:36, 1:03:44]: Yeah, sir, why don't you why don't you come to the mic? Why don't you come to the mic, please? Just come to mic. Come to mic, please, gentlemen. I'm just cueing. Just come to mic. [1:03:46, 1:04:06]: I don't think that that has been determined. Um in part probably as the um new residents uh come in they will be able to make that selection as to whether or not they want it to be a um a bedroom or if they want it to be office space. There you go. Um say your name, yeah, your address. My name is Masood Fatimi. I live at forty three twenty Peppermill Road. [1:04:06, 1:04:26]: Marietta, Georgia. But my son lives here and is the Ho Chi Bank controlling the construction. The designs are definitely definitely three bedrooms. And depending on whether the master bedroom has a sitting area. [1:04:26, 1:04:46]: Or not. That has changed to four bedrooms. And on the main level, we have an area that could be a breakfast area or breakfast room. In some models, it is a breakfast room. In some models, it can turn into an office/slash bedroom. [1:04:46, 1:05:06]: Number five. So it has its own closet, full bathroom. So we also have a full bathroom stopped in the basement in case someone wants to finish the basement. Could be the end units, they have access window to the outside, so it could be a bedroom. [1:05:06, 1:05:21]: interior units they're all could be just play area or office area or anything else the homeowner wants to improve it uh in the future. Any questions? I don't know. Yeah Ms. Barber is that answer a question for you? [1:05:21, 1:05:36]: Thank you, sir. I do have one more question. Sure. So and this is mainly for Mr. Anderson. Ms. Battle may be able to answer it too. So I know that the council approved some amendments to um our codes. [1:05:36, 1:05:38]: The front yard set bay. [1:05:38, 1:05:45]: The reason why I asked how many bedrooms this is, um, I assume that it would be a family of maybe four. [1:05:46, 1:05:51]: Five people and they may all be driving. So considering [1:05:51, 1:05:53]: The number of occupants. [1:05:54, 1:05:59]: and vehicles that they may need to park um in the driveway. [1:06:00, 1:06:06]: Are we st we approved the council approved the front yard setback? Was that twenty, twenty-five feet? [1:06:07, 1:06:10]: Uh to thirty feet. Thirty feet. Okay. Mm-hmm. [1:06:11, 1:06:31]: So with this one is this this particular development is is um regulated by a development plan and they meet the um it's regulated by the Brush Creek Development Plan, which is separate from uh the MFR standards we recently adopted. So they have a governing plan that that regulates this particular development. However, they do meet [1:06:31, 1:06:42]: meet the parking requirements. They have a double car garage, which is two parking, and then they have the driveway, which considered is two parking. So each unit will have four parking spaces. [1:06:46, 1:06:55]: And they have uh and on the on the development plan they do have guest parking on the site plan. So they they meet or exceed the the current code requirement for parking. [1:06:55, 1:06:57]: Thank you, sir. You're welcome. [1:06:57, 1:06:59]: Council, any other questions? [1:06:59, 1:07:05]: Yes. Uh go ahead please. Uh I I wanted to make sure that all of the physical [1:07:06, 1:07:26]: uh question before we get into the public hearing. And I and I just noticed something in the reading about the Homeown Association. And even though we're talking phase one and phase two, it seemed like it was a discussion uh to have different entit entities but have a combined homeone [1:07:26, 1:07:44]: It'll just be one HOA and that's why that's the whole purpose of us combining it into phase one and phase two. So there'll be one HOA and everybody will be responsible for paying um the HOA assessments to maintain all of the green areas and the common areas um and recreational areas. [1:07:44, 1:07:47]: and and and the governance of the association. [1:07:48, 1:07:53]: will be by one um board. So there'll only be one board. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. [1:07:54, 1:07:56]: Yeah, the question is council. [1:07:56, 1:08:12]: And if not, then open up the public hearing. So um let's get comments from the audience or the individuals here if they have any comments at all. So anybody is four for this particular development. All right, positive comments for. On my very left side over here, any comments four. [1:08:14, 1:08:15]: Any comments in the middle? Four. [1:08:16, 1:08:19]: Any comments from our far right side four? [1:08:20, 1:08:25]: Any comments against this particular dome, something negative per se, my far left side. [1:08:25, 1:08:38]: Any comments against? In the middle, any comments against? Before I write any comments against. No comments want for or against. I'll close out that part of the public hearing. And then uh mister Anderson, please come back. [1:08:41, 1:09:01]: All right, so um let me we're gonna start with item number seven then. Unless there are any comments directly from the council right now. If not, I'll read through which is the comprehensive plan amendment case, CP-2024-03, located in Council District 2. Consideration of comprehensive plan amendment. [1:09:01, 1:09:21]: amendment request to change the future land use designation of parcel number s0 seven zero one zero zero six zero zero zero on the east side of Brush Creek Court from its current future land use designation to low density mixed use to medium density residential to allow for a town home development. Applicant Pivot [1:09:21, 1:09:37]: Enterprises LLC CEO Battle Group PC. The property is located in Land Law 59 District 12 and contains uh two point two eight acres. All right, council on that uh is there a motion to approve this or not? [1:09:40, 1:09:45]: Yes, ma'am. Well I'm sorry. Well I I do um [1:09:46, 1:09:52]: I just spoke to Miss Battle about a certain issue. Miss Battle, you may want to come back. But it does not [1:09:53, 1:09:58]: It it does not have any bearing on the approval. I just just part of the discussion. [1:10:03, 1:10:03]: Okay. [1:10:04, 1:10:13]: Is there something you need? I believe that the question there was a question, he just wanted clarification about the access. If we can put back up the site plan just so he can see. [1:10:15, 1:10:35]: Access will be from um North Henry Boulevard. There's also a side street that comes in off um in um past the um behind the QT. Um and we believe that that is sufficient access um to allow. We're not um exceeding with the um total number of units being less than [1:10:35, 1:10:49]: We technically only need one point of entry. So you do have the entry coming off the street is public up until it gets uh actually I think it's public all the way through for Brush Creek Court. Okay. [1:10:50, 1:11:10]: You could. If there's no other questions, mayor, I do recommend approval uh for the uh consideration of the comprehensive plan amendment. We got your second. Okay, mr for Mr. Thomas and Mr. Allison, all favor, please indicate. Yeah, I'm trying to answer the decision. Thank you very much, council. Okay, item number eight. [1:11:10, 1:11:21]: rezoning case RZ dash two zero two four dash zero three probably located council district two consideration of rezoning request to rezone parcel [1:11:21, 1:11:41]: S07-01-006000 on the east side of Brush Creek Court from C2 General Commercial to MFR multiple family residential allow for a townhome development. Applicant Pivocal Enterprises LLC C O Battle Law PC project is located in landlock 50. [1:11:41, 1:11:46]: fifty nine district twelve and contains two point two eight acres. [1:11:46, 1:11:49]: Council need a motion to approve. [1:11:49, 1:11:50]: This rezoning case. [1:11:53, 1:11:54]: So is there a second? [1:11:55, 1:11:55]: Uh [1:11:56, 1:12:00]: Uh I just want clarification. Mr. Anderson, this is where you read the conditions in. [1:12:01, 1:12:05]: Yes, sir. There are like twenty plus conditions. [1:12:09, 1:12:29]: Yeah, she did it. So I just won't read it. It's number nine or what? Number nine. Mm-hmm. Okay. I think that one could. [1:12:29, 1:12:32]: Okay. [1:12:32, 1:12:51]: So we got like 25 conditions. All right, sure. Um condition number one is the rezoning of parcel S07-01-006000 for the per proposed development of phase two shall not be approved unl unless comprehensive plan amendment case RZ twenty four-0 three is first approved. [1:12:54, 1:13:14]: Condition two parcel S O seven das zero one zero zero six zero zero zero shall not be designated as phase two of the Brush Creek Commons Town Home Development and it shall not be combined with parcel S zero seven A O one one zero zero zero phase one unless zoning modification [1:13:14, 1:13:34]: Case ZM 2024-01 is approved. Compliance with original rezoning development agreement is zoning modification case ZM 2024-01 is approved to allow phase two to be combined with phase one and an overall development. [1:13:34, 1:13:54]: For Brush Creek Commons, the developer shall comply with the requirements of the approved rezoning case RZ-03-04 via rezoning number three. That's rezoning number 03-152. [1:13:54, 1:14:05]: The original development agreement. The first amendment of development agreements dated December thirteenth, twenty twenty-four. We're referring to the original plan. And the second amendment to development agreement. [1:14:06, 1:14:11]: Dated august thirteenth, two thousand seven, with the exception of the other conditions that are listed. [1:14:13, 1:14:21]: Submit to the city clerk and city attorney an updated legal description and plat certified by an engineer or surveyor, the license in the state of Georgia. [1:14:21, 1:14:26]: of the property. Amend the declarations of restricted covenants for phase one to incorporate phase two. [1:14:27, 1:14:29]: To state that the town home units in phase two shall have [1:14:31, 1:14:38]: Shall shall have ha have all of the same rights and privileges to use the common areas and amenities that are located within phase one. [1:14:39, 1:14:59]: Site plan. The developer shall build phase two according to a site plan, which is very similar to the submitted site plan for phase two, entitled Rezoning Plat Brush Creek Commons Phase Two, which was prepared by DGM Land Planning Consultants, Incorporated. MFR versus M2 Zoning District Requirement. [1:14:59, 1:15:16]: The developer shall comply with the MFR district requirements except where they conflict with the R RM2 district requirements or any other one. It's hard to see though. [1:15:17, 1:15:18]: Make it brighter. [1:15:21, 1:15:38]: Okay, number six, the front yard setback of the proposed townhome lots for phase two may be only twenty feet instead of the MRF MFR district requirements of fifty feet because the second amendment to development agreement allow front yard setback that are only eight that are only ten feet. [1:15:41, 1:15:42]: Did you finish number five, sir? [1:15:43, 1:15:45]: Yes, sir. Okay. [1:15:45, 1:15:48]: Phone number seven now, Mary. All right, go right here, please. Okay. [1:15:51, 1:16:11]: Number seven, the applicant shall apply for a recombination of the phase two parcel number S0780110000 with the phase one parcel number S07-01006000. Any new final plat for the overall [1:16:11, 1:16:17]: Commons developments shall be officially recorded at the Henry County Superior Court. [1:16:23, 1:16:43]: Number eight, if ZM 2024-01 is not approved, then parcel S07-00, I mean S07-01-00600 shall not be a standalone development. It must comply with the requirements of the MFR Single Family. [1:16:43, 1:16:45]: [4606.6, 4609.2]: Number nine, no land disturbance permit. [1:16:52, 1:17:03]: Well we that one has been wiped out. No no land disturbance permit or building permit shall be included for phase two until the applicant submits a copy of the new preliminary for the overall [1:17:05, 1:17:07]: Oh thank you, man. Thank you. I couldn't see hi. [1:17:08, 1:17:09]: There you go. [1:17:09, 1:17:13]: I can't remember how to say now. Is that [1:17:15, 1:17:34]: The you have to submit the preliminary plan before you no land disturbance. No, let me read that again. No land disturbance LDP or building permits shall be issued for phase two until the applicant submits a copy of the new preliminary site plan for the overall Brush Creek Commons development containing both phase one and phase two to the community development department. [1:17:36, 1:17:37]: Phase two. [1:17:41, 1:18:01]: Phase two shall be developed in general conformity with the phase two site plan submitted to the Stockbridge planning staff on October 7, 2024, and shall adhere to all of the City of Stockbridge MFR ordinance requirements, except that there is a conflict between the MFR ordinance requirements and the conditions set forth in the development agreement in the development agreement. [1:18:01, 1:18:06]: as amended from time to time, the conditions set forth in the development agreement shall control. [1:18:08, 1:18:12]: The maximum building height shall be forty five feet. [1:18:13, 1:18:28]: All townhouses shall have a mixture of front facade consisting of covered entryway, porches, bay windows, and or balconies. Garages shall be accentuated with variations of design portfolios. [1:18:29, 1:18:40]: The owner shall submit elevations of the buildings to be approved by the city. Each I'm on number 14 now. Each unit should have three-sided brick, no vinyl siding, and vanilla brick will be allowed. [1:18:42, 1:18:53]: The owner shall install street trees along all streets to be placed between the sidewalk and the front property lines. Have a minimum two and one half inch caliber. [1:18:54, 1:19:00]: Shall have a minimum 24 foot planning area and she'll shall be spaced on the average of 45 feet apart. [1:19:01, 1:19:21]: Owner will provide a list of 10 trees to be provided and subject to modification by the city. Number 16. A streetscaping plan shall be submitted to the city of Stockbridge, planning and zoning staff for comments and approved by the city to include sidewalks, street trees, landscaping, street lighting, and street furniture. [1:19:21, 1:19:30]: Any flood number 17. Any floodplain alteration be supported by a certified engineer at the plan review stage. [1:19:31, 1:19:51]: The applicant shall submit to the city clerk and city engineer an updated legal description and plat certified by an engineer or surveyor licensed in the state of Georgia of the property. Number 19, the maximum units per building shall be no more than six units per building. Number 20, the minimum distance between buildings shall be 20. [1:19:51, 1:19:55]: The minimum front yard setback shall be twenty feet. [1:19:55, 1:20:03]: Number 22, the minimum side yard setback should be 15 feet. 23, the minimum rear yard setback shall be 20 feet. [1:20:03, 1:20:20]: 24. A declaration of restricted covenants for phase one shall be amended, amended and modified to incorporate phase two, and the units in phase two shall have all of the rights and privileges to use the common areas and amenities located within phase one. [1:20:21, 1:20:38]: 25. The building department shall not issue a building permit until such time as the Director of Community Development has certified that each of the prospective phase of development sewer capacity is sufficient to accommodate the additional sewage that will be generated by the proposed development. [1:20:40, 1:20:52]: Lastly, number 26. The rezoning is subject to the property owners and developers execution of the amended development agreement, which will embody these conditions of zoning for phase two. [1:20:53, 1:20:54]: Right question. [1:20:54, 1:21:07]: Right place. Now originally we had a trail plan in phase number two, which included a trail on uh the original phase. Where is that? It was along some areas in there. [1:21:08, 1:21:08]: Yeah, still there. [1:21:09, 1:21:20]: Right. So w this incorporated those same elements as well. Yes. And the main three road, how wide is the sidewalk on the main three road? Eight feet, ten feet. [1:21:21, 1:21:25]: Uh, how wide is the sidewalk? Let me let me double check, I don't wanna tell you uh [1:21:28, 1:21:40]: Because we want the main through road to connect at some point to so that there would be um some type of connection between that trail. It's just not a trail that goes to nowhere. Yeah. [1:21:41, 1:21:43]: That trail was passive, right? [1:21:45, 1:21:45]: Yeah. [1:21:46, 1:21:50]: So the the the trail is is is I think is only um [1:21:51, 1:22:10]: It's an internal trail, it doesn't go outside the development. Right, but the main through road wanted some connection point to the main through road so residents can take it and then maybe take this their sidewalk to this trail without having to cross somebody's yard or something. So [1:22:13, 1:22:16]: Ms. Bowter, you have s you have the applicant here who wants to speak. [1:22:18, 1:22:20]: We're trying to put that back up there. [1:22:25, 1:22:25]: So we go. [1:22:28, 1:22:28]: Yeah. [1:22:31, 1:22:35]: Uh if you look to the north here, we have the trail coming through [1:22:36, 1:22:48]: on this part and it excuse my name is Iman Fatami. I live off of uh 115 TI Street here in Stockbridge. Uh so the trail actually comes and connects to the main road here. [1:22:49, 1:22:59]: and comes around through the top here. We have five wood foot sidewalks in the main section, but the the trail is all through the woodlands in the north. [1:23:00, 1:23:11]: Right. Is there a restriction or is there a ability to widen that trail to the customary eight that we've been doing in other ma and like we did at the one on um [1:23:12, 1:23:29]: Yeah. No, I'm I'm saying the trail on the trail the other trail that's going to the main trail is wider than that, right? On phase two, the the the recreational trail is how wide is it? Eight that's eight feet, eight to ten feet already, right? [1:23:32, 1:23:33]: Yeah. [1:23:33, 1:23:53]: You're talking about uh I'm just trying to be clear. We've got sidewalks um within within uh along um Brush Creek Court um that allow for walkability. The trail is really for the residents, which is a mul I think it's a mulch trail. Or did you do a nice trail? [1:23:53, 1:24:13]: Yeah, it's a natural trail. No, it was not. It was a paved trail. We asked for that in the original uh rezoning. Or was that it would need to be a paved trail, not a trailer. But you can do a paved trail when you're coming through this area in the back where you've got the stream buffers and the like. I can't imagine that. [1:24:13, 1:24:19]: that not allowed that would be uh allowed because you're within some of the stream buffer. [1:24:20, 1:24:40]: Mr. Anderson, step to the podium. That's what the requirement was in the original request, because we made these conditions and put it in there that it would be a paved trail uh along that section because it would be kind of like a, you know, along the stream, you would have a paved trail along the street. That's that's what we asked for. [1:24:40, 1:24:43]: Whatever is in the development agreement now, that's what we've been compliant. [1:24:43, 1:24:43]: Mm-hmm. [1:24:44, 1:24:53]: Yes, this is governed by the original uh two thousand three um development plan and that part wasn't affected by the uh zoning modifications. [1:24:54, 1:25:13]: So they didn't ask for a modification on that portion. What they agreed to put in was a pervious trail due to the environmental issues back there. So it would be mostly a MOAS trail uh as an amenity for the residents. It was it was not meant to connect to the um to the public trail network. And uh the original development plan did not call for that. [1:25:15, 1:25:21]: I know the original plan didn't, but when they came to us, we asked that that be included. I know I did. [1:25:22, 1:25:26]: You're trying to twenty twenty two? Twenty twenty two. Okay. I can pull that. [1:25:26, 1:25:27]: Mm. [1:25:29, 1:25:43]: But we c we we we can come back to that. But certainly the main through road, we've always insisted that we have a multi-use trail along the main through road. So a five foot sidewalk, I can't ride my bike on the five foot sidewalk. [1:25:44, 1:25:50]: No sir, I'm talking about the sidewalk in front. [1:25:50, 1:26:02]: The sidewalks are five feet. Right, but we need them wider than five feet. We need them to be able to ride a bike on the sidewalk rather than wider than the street. Now that requires a multi-use trail of six to eight feet. [1:26:05, 1:26:05]: There's just [1:26:06, 1:26:09]: There's just it's gonna kill all the front yard. [1:26:10, 1:26:30]: We talking about one we're talking about one or two feet. So we're talking about we got five right now, so we're talking about going up to a So here's what the challenge is. Mm-hmm. Phase one, which came all the way down Brush Creek, already has the sidewalk installed. So the infrastructure which was approved under the final plat. [1:26:30, 1:26:30]: Yeah. [1:26:30, 1:26:35]: has already been approved and that sidewalk has already been installed. [1:26:36, 1:26:43]: So the only uh it to the extent that there's any additional sidewalk on the side where phase two is at? [1:26:45, 1:27:05]: I I understand that, but we want the residents to be able to walk out their door and get on their bike without getting in the street. And the only way that they can do that [1:27:05, 1:27:25]: is they gotta have a six to eight foot trail in front of the house. A five foot sidewalk, no one over 13 can ride a bike on a five foot sidewalk. You can't do that. So we all we've been insisting that we have those trails be at least six to eight feet wide. We're only talking about one foot, maybe two feet, if it could be six or seven feet. [1:27:24, 1:27:38]: then bikes can be written on that. Resident can leave their house. But we don't want them to have to get in their car to go to Walmart. We want them to be able to get on their bike or get on a scooter and go over there without getting in the car. That's the whole point. [1:27:38, 1:27:58]: This this subdivision is not a a very crowded subdivision. It's only twenty units. I don't imagine uh it's gonna be so crowded anyone cannot ride a bike in five foot. If you like six foot we do six foot, but main subdivision is ordinary Let's let's let's come to [1:27:58, 1:28:05]: that solution. You can ride a bike on six feet. So I'm okay with it if you widen it another foot to six feet. [1:28:05, 1:28:19]: We do that for the new twenty f for the phase two, because phase one is already right taken care of. Right. I miss battle, you were looking to see whether or not what we approved some some time ago, is that what you're looking for? Yes. [1:28:22, 1:28:37]: And as you're looking for that, otherwise the trail network that is in the green space around the the creek bed itself, there's environmental issues that uh doesn't pro prohibit you to have a concrete service. Is that what you're saying? [1:28:37, 1:28:45]: I wanna see the c I don't w what what environmental issues present present presents uh where's the code that says that? [1:28:45, 1:28:50]: For for the trail or for the sidewalk? Yes, Sam Yes yes ma'am. [1:28:53, 1:28:54]: Yeah. [1:28:54, 1:28:58]: Oh you have in uh two thousand twenty-two. [1:28:58, 1:29:07]: Could could could you explain, sir, about environmental issues there? For the trail? Yeah, for the trail. I mean if I mean uh we have wetlands. Right. [1:29:07, 1:29:13]: We have buffer zones. Right. And per your own code they're not allowed us to do any paving. [1:29:13, 1:29:13]: Okay. [1:29:15, 1:29:16]: We just need to be natural. [1:29:16, 1:29:24]: I see. And it's based on our own code that we approved some time ago is what it amounts to. Mr Anderson, you can verify that? [1:29:25, 1:29:37]: Uh that's correct correct ma. I was trying to pull up the uh uh area photo of the area to show uh council member Alexander the issues there. Miss Holliday has the conditions that we actually required. [1:29:39, 1:29:43]: It's in there. I know it is'cause I asked for it. Going back to twenty twenty two. [1:29:50, 1:30:05]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. While this is taking place and I want to be sure that uh this was a part of the twenty-six conditions. Uh in order for us to approve, uh we will have to approve those twenty-six conditions. [1:30:06, 1:30:17]: So I I think it's important that we do clarify that. Yeah, no problem. I mean well the way to get clarification. Uh Miss Annister working on something and Miss Battle and Vanessa working on something else. You get clarification and make sure we're we're straight. [1:30:19, 1:30:28]: Oh just like we're not saying we'll pull up. Where's the maps? The what the what's on jump. You don't know right. [1:30:29, 1:30:33]: They agreed to it. They agreed. Oh. There you go. [1:30:34, 1:30:52]: Well you that's what we really want to do. We want to get out on handle standards. Right. [1:30:53, 1:31:09]: You're trying to go to Q public the one that is going to be. They make reference to something happened in twenty twenty two, but we're gonna see. But Elton wanna insist that uh you know it's one. I don't think so. Yeah. [1:31:10, 1:31:14]: And you know what we're talking about before. Nobody outside walks along the front each other. [1:31:15, 1:31:25]: The front front hand has creep coming. Exactly. What the development plan was. I don't remember that can demand it though. [1:31:27, 1:31:29]: One five seven Brush Creek Cummings. [1:31:39, 1:31:42]: Yeah, I ain't got no room to it to expand the sidewalks. [1:31:45, 1:31:51]: They'd be up for a one foot section next to a five foot section, it's gonna work. I mean, you know what I mean. [1:31:53, 1:32:01]: No, you wanna pull up the the map? We'll show a area photo of Quick Trip in uh in Waffle House. [1:32:01, 1:32:03]: Show the area leading down there to the rope. [1:32:12, 1:32:25]: Along the frontage, there there's really no room, right? I'm saying along the frontage on Brush Creek Commons. Where you front on Brush Creek Commons Where you front at on Brush Creek Commons, do you have any room? [1:32:29, 1:32:33]: That's the So you can you can pour it in on the phase two you can pour wider sidewalks. [1:32:35, 1:32:36]: There's [1:32:36, 1:32:46]: So that's the they can that's that's the parcel right there. That's that's um Waffle House and that's the QT. And that's where they're that's where they're building over there. [1:32:50, 1:32:52]: I don't know if you want to show the phone. Sure, show it, show it. [1:32:53, 1:32:55]: You want to show that no, just show uh [1:32:57, 1:32:58]: Show that is [1:32:58, 1:33:00]: So with Buscrey Commons that [1:33:01, 1:33:02]: That's breastfree commons right there. [1:33:02, 1:33:08]: Way the development right there. Yeah, that's where they're trying to build right there, that little triangle property right there. [1:33:13, 1:33:20]: Do you have something, Mr. Ad? Uh yeah, uh the applicant is willing to uh expand the sidewalks on phase two. [1:33:21, 1:33:24]: But uh phase one is governed by [1:33:25, 1:33:31]: The original development plan that goes back to two thousand and three, when they came in and did the modification. [1:33:31, 1:33:37]: Um, they didn't seek to amend the sidewalk portion. [1:33:37, 1:33:47]: That's two thousand and three, you said. So none of us back in two thousand and twenty two or twenty two. Well they came in to amend the two thousand and three original development plan. Okay. [1:33:47, 1:34:00]: And they didn't and they did not request a modification of the sidewalks at that time. We we do we you said we d excuse me a second. So we did not. We didn't read the applicant did not request that. Did not request that. [1:34:00, 1:34:05]: But we did. And and uh w do we have the conditions from twenty twenty two? [1:34:09, 1:34:12]: All of those things were agreed upon right there at the podium. [1:34:13, 1:34:16]: They were said that it would be expensive, but we would do it. [1:34:18, 1:34:38]: Here's what I know. Whatever the conditions say, that's what we have to do. So if the condition says what you say it says, then staff can review that and just verify if that's what it said. Right now we can't the the two ordinance the ordinance that she's got there does not [1:34:38, 1:34:58]: have the actual conditions that I can see on there but the bottom line is that's easy enough to obtain and so to the extent that that's what you all approved the last time this the the final plat should be consistent with whatever you approve. [1:34:58, 1:34:58]: True. [1:34:58, 1:35:01]: So if it said six feet [1:35:01, 1:35:03]: then they should be six feet. [1:35:03, 1:35:23]: And if they have to change it, then that's i it is what it is because we have to comply with whatever you all approved in twenty one. I just want to make sure you want to say in phase two we can get the sidewalk walking while we're agreeable to widen the sidewalk to six phase two, yes. We're gonna go back and look at what the conditions were that we asked for on twenty twenty two about the pay about [1:35:23, 1:35:29]: About the uh about the recreational trail. Yes, sir. All right, thank you. Yes. [1:35:30, 1:35:37]: Okay, she found it. All right. So on that note then she says she found it. Let's see what she found. [1:35:49, 1:35:50]: Right. [1:35:55, 1:36:11]: neighboring lots, extended sidewalk to internet neighborhood development commercial space. There's nothing here that I see to be looking at me that says a specific width. [1:36:12, 1:36:28]: Those are the conditions. That's what was put forth in the um approval, both assigned by Mayor Ford and um attested by um City and the City. [1:36:31, 1:36:33]: No specific [1:36:53, 1:36:54]: Yeah. [1:37:00, 1:37:05]: I think staff just has to go back through and look at that to verify that whatever [1:37:09, 1:37:29]: Okay, this is what I would add. I'm gonna ask staff to go back and watch the actual video from that meeting and the rezoning so you can see what actually said. Sometimes staff looks and takes the notes but does not take the notes on exactly what happened. I think we should go back and watch the video. [1:37:28, 1:37:42]: as well. So certainly I'm agreeable to the sidewalls being six feet on phase two. You will go back, you will review the video and the documentation to determine what was appropriate for the recreational trio. [1:37:42, 1:38:02]: Commissioner Alexander, I think uh you may have mistaken the sidewalk with the trail. I believe I remember you discussing the trail being widened. Not the sidewalk, but we can check on that. Yeah, with a second. So on that note, the rest of the council, are you agreeable to what has been stated thus far? You all agreeable? Okay. [1:38:02, 1:38:07]: Looks like g sort of guess a consensus today. All right. So on that note [1:38:07, 1:38:17]: Mr. Thomas, are you ready to make a motion, sir? I do have um a question there for it. Okay, go ahead, please. Um I see that there is a clubhouse, but I don't see a pool. [1:38:18, 1:38:24]: I'm sure that's another thing that we didn't include. Uh th there's no pull. [1:38:24, 1:38:28]: There's no pool. There's no pool. Okay. Are we able to add a pool? [1:38:29, 1:38:49]: Um no because it's too small of a community. Um that would add too much cost. That's why the amenity area is it's going down Brush Creek. And so that was the amenities that had had been agreed to and we have not asked for any changes. Um those were in phase um one. So phase two is just to add those additional [1:38:49, 1:38:57]: Lots, but the all of the recreational area was a part of the phase one requirements. And there was no pool requirement. [1:38:57, 1:39:10]: Okay. So because we are making these modifications, we're unable to modify anything I would say this. I I understand what your request is and what I'm telling you is the applicant can't do the pull. [1:39:10, 1:39:24]: So you can make the motion, I guess, and I guess if everybody agreed with it, but we would we won't agree to the pool because the pool would put too much additional cost on a very small group of people to maintain that pool. [1:39:24, 1:39:44]: Thank you. Mr. Anderson, um are we able to make any modifications to the first phase if the council so desires to do that? Yes, if the council s so desires, but originally in um November of uh 2022, the applicant came came before council and council removed the [1:39:44, 1:39:56]: pool requirement from the original development plan. That was part of the f the phase one zoning modification that happened in November of twenty twenty two. So they removed it because of the expense. [1:39:58, 1:40:09]: Can you repeat yourself, please? Sorry, some chatter getting here. In November of twenty twenty-two, these applicants came before city council requesting a zoning modification to the original development plan. [1:40:09, 1:40:11]: That was adopted in twenty twenty three. [1:40:11, 1:40:12]: In two thousand and three. [1:40:13, 1:40:14]: They came in in twenty twenty two. [1:40:15, 1:40:17]: Requesting a modification to the two thousand and three [1:40:18, 1:40:23]: original development plan and council agreed to allow them to remove the pool requirement. [1:40:24, 1:40:33]: Because it was such a small community and a swimming pool would've made it too expensive for the HOA. So we removed the pool requirement back in twenty twenty two. [1:40:33, 1:40:40]: Thank you, sir, for that explanation. Um, but now that we are considering this second phase. [1:40:40, 1:40:42]: Then just for me. [1:40:42, 1:40:45]: I'm only speaking for me. Um [1:40:46, 1:40:51]: I think it would be a good attractive amenity to have a pool all new. [1:40:51, 1:40:55]: Developments should include a pool, but that's just me. [1:40:56, 1:40:57]: I have one other question though. [1:40:57, 1:41:00]: Reading um the staff's recommendation [1:41:01, 1:41:02]: Item G [1:41:03, 1:41:05]: It talks about um [1:41:05, 1:41:07]: The installation of treatment [1:41:08, 1:41:09]: Street trees. [1:41:10, 1:41:18]: And it says it should be installed along all streets to be placed between the sidewalk and the front property lines. [1:41:18, 1:41:19]: Mm-hmm. [1:41:20, 1:41:26]: I think we talked about this once before in another case. Um those trees and maybe I'm [1:41:27, 1:41:28]: Just [1:41:28, 1:41:31]: picturing it differently. Trees installed. [1:41:32, 1:41:35]: In between the sidewalks it's gonna make the sidewalks buckle. [1:41:37, 1:41:38]: Co it could [1:41:40, 1:41:41]: Um [1:41:42, 1:41:45]: I mean, there have been cases of that, but uh [1:41:48, 1:42:08]: I think they put a th there's some type of cage or something. N not exactly a cage that they that they can find the s the the street tree roots in, which prevents them from spreading now. So but um there's no guarantee that they won't spread, but it will be rare. So there's a new technology they use when they plant this tree. [1:42:08, 1:42:16]: They encase them inside a cage so they can't spread, the roots can't spread out and buckle the sidewalk. [1:42:16, 1:42:19]: That's that's what they use now when they uh plant street trees. [1:42:20, 1:42:35]: Okay, Mr. Gardner, help me out. Um, because I've seen I've driven through many neighborhoods and I've seen where the roots of those trees buckle and the sidewalks just tear apart. Um and of course that would be a cost to the city. [1:42:36, 1:42:39]: to have to repair those. So I want to make sure we get it right from the beginning. [1:42:40, 1:42:44]: Yes, ma'am. So it depends on the type of the species of trees they use. [1:42:44, 1:42:53]: So certain trees, um, their roots don't spread, they go down. Um, and we always advise, and that's one of the issues that [1:42:53, 1:42:58]: some development like Monarch Village Hove because they use the wrong species trees when they put'em in. [1:42:59, 1:42:59]: Um [1:43:00, 1:43:20]: And so it just depends on what species tree they use. But if you if they're gonna put'em at the back of the sidewalk on the private property, uh, as long as they agree to put it out well, utilities meant um between the sidewalk and the front property like that. Between the sidewalk and [1:43:20, 1:43:30]: It's gonna be in the middle of the yard, you know that you away out of on the sidewalk and to the house or around the [1:43:30, 1:43:38]: Can we um amend that description here so we're just specific about where to plant those trees? [1:43:39, 1:43:44]: So we can go to the water. There's no other place it can go. We can we can put in writing. [1:43:46, 1:44:06]: So it's not it's not curved, then landscape strip, tree, and then sidewalk. It's curved side I think it's a landscape piece of grass, then there's the sidewalk and then the trees are on the back side. They're not on the front side between the curb and the sidewalk. So they're not between. [1:44:06, 1:44:26]: Between the curb and the sidewalk. They're they're where the concern comes from. They're technically gonna be along the prop along the front yard, which is the best place for them to be. We don't want them between the sidewalk and the curb because then you're gonna have the issue of it bursting the sidewalk and the curbing and getting into the streets. And that's where you see those humps in the road when folks [1:44:26, 1:44:42]: 'Cause the roots are going under. Um and we could actually uh ask them to put a certain type of tree in if they don't we'll we'll name the spec the species of tree that roots go down that they can put in um that would allow for the to stop that from potentially happening. [1:44:43, 1:44:46]: Okay, I just I just wanted to make sure I addressed that. [1:44:47, 1:44:49]: Got some clarity. Thank you, sir. [1:44:49, 1:44:51]: Ms. Canton, you had a question? [1:44:51, 1:44:58]: Well, n now that sh that's been answered, I think that's a valid point in regards to the trees. We do want to be careful not to [1:44:58, 1:44:59]: Um [1:44:59, 1:45:03]: I have that experience. I think we all have it. We live in modern villages. [1:45:04, 1:45:11]: Um, you know, pi we have some oak trees, we have some trees and it does do a lot of damage to the home, pipes or you name it [1:45:11, 1:45:13]: Coming up towards the house. [1:45:13, 1:45:18]: Um and so if we can make sure that that's under control, that'd be great. [1:45:20, 1:45:20]: Okay. [1:45:20, 1:45:29]: Mr. Thomas, back to you, sir. Well, I just want to make sure about the conditions. This discussion about the trees, are they part of the conditions? [1:45:30, 1:45:31]: Yes. [1:45:31, 1:45:50]: That's already in um condition number fifteen that the owner shall install streets trees along streets to be placed between the sidewalk and the front property line. So that is on the other side. It's not like I said, there's curb, then there's sidewalk, and then there's the property line. It's between the sidewalk and the property line. [1:45:51, 1:45:53]: So yes, that's there. [1:45:53, 1:46:13]: Well, Mayor, if if that is the case, with the approval of the twenty-six conditions, I recommend that we approve the rezoning case, RZ two zero two four-03, to allow for um a rezoning from C2. [1:46:13, 1:46:33]: General commercial to MFR to allow for a uh townhome division, subdivision. And the amendment to number 27, which is phase two, would have six-foot sidewalks, and the staff is gonna go back and review the conditions for the trail network on what. [1:46:33, 1:46:34]: [6395.4, 6408.5]: That's fine. Uh Mr. Thomas, are you agreeable with that certain emotion? To include uh that conversation as well. Second. Okay. Ms. Mr. Alessandra, second that. Ms. Barber, you have a comment? Yes. Flat cameras. [1:46:50, 1:47:04]: Block cameras. Is not is that not included in your condition? I know that we thought we updated it in a in new ULDC. Can I speak without you interrupting me? How about excuse me? [1:47:06, 1:47:13]: Why is it every time I open my mouth you wanna chime in? L excuse me. Okay move forward. [1:47:13, 1:47:20]: Your way of agreeing with what I'm saying. You agreeing with what I'm saying. Again. [1:47:21, 1:47:39]: Yes, we can add that. Yes. We can add that as condition number twenty s twenty eight. Yeah. Mr. Your question uh uh this this development was on the works before we adopted our new uh standards. Okay. So it's not applicable, yes. Okay. Thanks. [1:47:40, 1:47:51]: Back to you, Mr. Thompson. So Mayor Ford, uh amend my motion to include twenty-eight conditions as stated uh in the record. Second. [1:47:51, 1:47:52]: Okay. [1:47:53, 1:48:04]: All right, all favor of the motion, please indicate. Unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. On that note, now we go on to the zoning modification case, ZM dash two zero [1:48:05, 1:48:08]: Two four dash zero one, probably located in district two. [1:48:09, 1:48:29]: Consideration of major zoning modification request for parcel S zero seven A zero one one zero zero zero zero zero on the west side of Brush Creek Court to provide for major changes in previously approved site plan, which is subject to the zoning modification case ZM-2022-01 in [1:48:29, 1:48:49]: In 2022, by allowing for expansion of the site boundaries to include parcel S07-010-060-00 on the east side of Brush Creek Creek Cummings, which will be developed as phase two of the zisting townhome development applicant pivotal and [1:48:48, 1:48:59]: Enterprises LLC, CO Battle Battle Law, PC, the property located in Landlaw fifty nine, district twelve, contains two point two eight total acres. Okay. [1:48:59, 1:49:04]: Mayor Steph recommended approval on that one with the same exact conditions that I just read into the record. [1:49:04, 1:49:05]: Okay, good deal. [1:49:06, 1:49:09]: Uh on that note, thank you, Mr. Ryan. On note Mr Thomas, you have a motion, sir. [1:49:11, 1:49:26]: Um are they in the discussions, Mayor? Well I well I I he said the exact same he has said the cond these conditions for this will be the exact same as the previous one. So I'm assuming that we're you know, since we agreed in the previous other twenty eight, I'm assuming that's all right. That's my assumption. That's why I just went straight to you, sir. [1:49:27, 1:49:32]: Therefore, mayor, I do move that we accept the zoning modification. [1:49:33, 1:49:37]: to include uh as stated for the record. [1:49:37, 1:49:46]: uh to allow a change, a major change to the previous approved site plan. Um [1:49:47, 1:49:56]: That would allow the expansion of this site boundaries to include parcels um SO seven. [1:49:57, 1:50:06]: Second. Okay. Major's made with the second. All favor, please indicate. Genamis decision. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate you. Thank you. [1:50:08, 1:50:11]: Okay. Comprehensive plan amendment K C P [1:50:14, 1:50:32]: Dash uh two zero two four wait a minute, hold on a second, hold on a second. Agenda item ten. Yeah, well we're on number ten, uh but what it amounts to is that uh okay, Mr. Ryan's gonna have to a presentation on this before we go to public hearing. Okay. Comprehensive plan amendment case CP dash two zero two four dash zero seven [1:50:32, 1:50:42]: Property located in District, Council District 2, consideration of comprehensive plan amendment requested to change the future land use designations of four parcels on the south side of Davis Road. [1:50:43, 1:51:03]: As are identified uh below from the current split future land use designation to low density mixed use to the entire property for the entire property for the purpose of allowing the construction of self-storage warehouse development. The property owner is B1 Home Improvements, LLC, and the agents are Robert Nestle. [1:51:03, 1:51:12]: and Rogers Gautier. The property located in Landlot 71 District 12 contains 6.895 total acres. [1:51:13, 1:51:33]: 649 Davis Road parcel S05-08004000. Claims three contains three point three excuse me three point six zero five zero acres, current future land use designation, low density residential, and median density mixed use. The address is six five seven Davis. [1:51:33, 1:51:44]: Road, parcel S05-08003000 contains 0.66 acres, current land, future land use designation unassigned. [1:51:45, 1:52:05]: Address 681 Davis Road, parcel S05-08005000. Contains 1.34 acres. Current future land use designation: low density residential and medium density mixed use. Parcel number is S05-0800-6000 on Davis. [1:52:04, 1:52:14]: Davis Road contains one point two nine acres, current future land use designation, low density residential and medium density mixed use. Miss Addison, please. [1:52:14, 1:52:34]: Okay. Um the owner is the app the owners of the properties, Beatrice Arrow of B1 Home Improvements, the address of the other three properties, the 649 Davis Road, 657 Davis Road, and 681 Davis Road, and Zero Davis Road. Uh total of six point eight nine [1:52:34, 1:52:51]: The subject property is wooded with an existing house located on 681 Davis Road. The current future land use designation is medium density residential and low density mixed use. Current zoning of the property is SR, Suburban Residential and OI. [1:52:51, 1:53:06]: We posted the sign on September I mean on October twenty-second, twenty twenty four, and applicants the surrounding property owners within five hundred feet received zoning notification letters on October twenty-second, twenty twenty-two. Here's a vicinity map. [1:53:08, 1:53:15]: And right here where I got my highlight my uh asterisk is the three is the four properties in question. [1:53:16, 1:53:20]: Mr. Anderson, I'm sorry to interrupt you. Yes sir. I guess I was supposed to read number eleven as well. [1:53:20, 1:53:25]: What's which yes. [1:53:27, 1:53:36]: What what is the statement? Number eleven is in the rezoning case. It deals with the same four sets of property. [1:53:37, 1:53:39]: No, I don't think that's it. [1:53:39, 1:53:45]: We take one at a time? I mean no, we can do all three you can do all of them, yes sir. All right. Excuse me for interrupting, I should have done that already. [1:53:46, 1:54:06]: Okay, rezoning case RZ 2024-08. Property located in Council District 2. Consideration rezoning request to rezone the four parcels of the south side of Davis Road identified below SR suburban residential to OI office institutional to C three heavy commercial for the purpose of allowing for the construction. [1:54:06, 1:54:26]: And self-storage warehouse development. The property owner B1 Home Improvement LLC. The agents are Robert Nesbitt and Rogers Gutierrez. The property located in Landlock 71, District 12, and it contains 6.895 total acres. Address 649-Davis Road, parcel S05-0800. [1:54:26, 1:54:46]: four zero zero zero contains three point three excuse me contains three point six zero five zero acres current zoning SR suburban residential. Address six five seven Davis Row parcels S05-08003000 contains point six six acres current zone [1:54:46, 1:55:06]: Zony SR Suburban Residential. Address 681 Davis Road, parcel number S05-08005000 contains 1.34 acres, current zoning SR suburban residential. Parcel S05-0800-6000 on Davis Road contains 1.29 acres. [1:55:06, 1:55:12]: area acres curtains zoning zero one uh one office institutional now mr [1:55:13, 1:55:33]: No problem there. Thank you. Um where where I where you see my cursor is uh the four parcels that are in being proposed for the self-storage facility. And as I move my cursor over to the left, to the wooded area, that's uh proposed um [1:55:33, 1:55:42]: self-storage facility that's underway that will be going to LDP early next year. And it was the subject of uh discussion at last council meeting. [1:55:45, 1:55:47]: Here's a area photo with the site plan. [1:55:52, 1:55:56]: Here's a survey of of the four parcels in question. [1:55:59, 1:56:05]: Here's confirmation of our zoning sign being posted on October twenty second. [1:56:07, 1:56:27]: Uh zoning history of the property. 657 Davis Road was annexed into the city on June 10, 2002, upon the request of El Vido Ainsworth and was assigned to R3 City Zoning. 649 Davis Road was an was annexed into the city on November 10, 2003, upon the request of El Vito Ainsworth. [1:56:27, 1:56:30]: and assign the R three cities. [1:56:30, 1:56:50]: Zoning District. 681 Davies Road was annexed into the city of Stockbridge out on November 10, 2003, upon the qu request of El Vital Ainsworth and assigned the R three zoning district. The subject property with parcel number SO5-08006000 was rezoned from [1:56:50, 1:57:04]: From R three Residential Two O I Office Institution upon the request of Thomas Stern. The intent was to use the construction of the building, the construction of the property for an American Legion headquarters building. [1:57:06, 1:57:18]: um development some background and development agreement. B1 home improvement plans to develop a self-storage facility comprising of eight buildings and 274 rental units. [1:57:18, 1:57:29]: Spanning six point eight nine five acres across four parcels on the south side of Davis Road. I also I'd like to mention that this property is not located with the within the Parkway mixed-use overlay district. [1:57:30, 1:57:50]: According to Chapter 12 of the Stockbridge UDC, self-storage facilities are defined as fully enclosed facilities with independent bays or self-contained units for the exclusive storage of goods or personal property. A description of the site plan, building one will cover 4,800 square feet with 24 units. [1:57:50, 1:58:10]: While building two will be larger at 8,400 square feet with 42 units. Building three will have 5,400 square feet with 27 units. And building 4 will be the most spacious, featuring 11,250 square feet with 50 units. Building 5 will include 4,350 square feet with [1:58:10, 1:58:30]: and 29 units and building six will mirror building three with 5,400 square feet and 27 units. Building seven will be one of the largest structures. It would encompass over 10,800 square 10,800 square feet and 48 units. And building eight will again match building three and six. [1:58:30, 1:58:50]: Offering 5,400 square feet and 27 units. The project will feature a dedicated turning lane, a storm water pond, landscaping, post-construction. 18 wheelers will also be prohibited on the property, so no 18 wheels can deliver there. Security measures will include a 24-hour video surveillance. [1:58:50, 1:58:59]: Individual unit alarms, access systems, and perimeter security cameras. Here's another site plan. [1:59:04, 1:59:08]: And this is a rendering of the of the proposed development. [1:59:14, 1:59:17]: And as you can see, the m the building materials were comprised of a brick. [1:59:20, 1:59:24]: On the north elevation, south elevation would be brick also. [1:59:28, 1:59:38]: Uh proposed self-storage warehouse development information. I've already went over this. Um of the eight buildings I listed the um I described the the square footage of each. [1:59:40, 1:59:55]: Here's a map of the existing and proposed storage facilities in the city of Stockbridge. Right now we have eight existing and proposed facilities. The star is the um, it's the proposed, is the [1:59:56, 2:00:06]: It's the s subject property that's in question tonight. And over to the left you have the one that's that was discussed at last city council meeting. [2:00:09, 2:00:10]: That shows the relationship between the two. [2:00:12, 2:00:24]: Ca question for you though. Yes, sir. Uh I sh probably should know this, but does the do we have a distance requirements uh for this? No, sir. We don't we don't have a distance requirement for self storage facilities. No. All right. [2:00:24, 2:00:28]: They're restricted in the PMU though, the Parkway Misuse Overlay District. Okay. [2:00:30, 2:00:33]: So we have a self-storage facility at um [2:00:34, 2:00:36]: being proposed that well the one in question tonight [2:00:44, 2:00:45]: We got one on North Henry. [2:00:47, 2:01:07]: 44 North Henry, 53, 34 North Henry. We got the extra space storage at 59 Banks Road. Excuse me. We have the secure self-storage at 59, at 599 Georgia Highway 138. We got the extra space storage at 1461 Hudson Bridge Road. [2:01:07, 2:01:27]: We got storage extra and 490 Eagles Landing Parkway. And we have the Davis Road storage facility at 12 Old Atlanta Road. And we have Jewel Sanitary Pad Warehouse at 1090 Village Business Parkway. As you can see, we don't have many self-storage facilities for. [2:01:27, 2:01:28]: [7296.4, 7305.0]: So as it relates to the uh the comprehensive plan amendment, staff recommends uh approval of the comprehensive plan change. [2:01:49, 2:01:50]: Mm. [2:01:53, 2:01:55]: Now I'm about to go into the rezoning portion. [2:01:58, 2:02:02]: Yeah, yeah, of course. [2:02:02, 2:02:08]: I do have a question before you move on, sir. Yes sir. Yes, sir. Mayor. Go right here, sir, please. [2:02:10, 2:02:18]: Um I n uh I know this agenda item is a request for a um [2:02:20, 2:02:28]: Land use chain designation. What what is it? What is the land use plan presently? [2:02:29, 2:02:30]: So let me go back. [2:02:36, 2:02:47]: Uh this agenda item is is calling for a land use change or what it what is it presently uh the the application is a land use plan presently. [2:02:48, 2:03:05]: Yes, sir. The applicant is requesting um a change because he has a split land use designation for the four properties. All of them don't have the same land use designation. So he's requesting to go from low density mixed use for the purpose of allowing for the construction of a self-storage. [2:03:11, 2:03:31]: Currently, the uh 649, 657, and 681 Davis Road has the future land use designation of medium density residential, which is not thank you, which is not compatible with the requested C3 zoning district. Therefore, the applicant is requesting a change to the future land use designation from the current split future land use. [2:03:31, 2:03:34]: Use to low density mixed use. [2:03:36, 2:03:45]: So the current um land use does not allow for him to construct a self-storage facility in C three because it's incompatible. [2:03:49, 2:04:00]: What what I was trying to visualize in in my understanding when y I guess a few years ago, when we [2:04:02, 2:04:07]: put the work in to designate the use of [2:04:09, 2:04:16]: Postles, you know, throughout the city. And uh you know you and I have had a conversation about [2:04:17, 2:04:37]: You know, we're we're constantly changing, constantly changing. And I know at some point in time you mentioned that we would look at our um plan to conform with the future where where we're we're trying to go. So I was trying to get a better understanding. [2:04:37, 2:04:52]: standing in in this particular area where the Walmart is, I would tr just really just trying to visualize the future of where this city and where this council really wanted to go. [2:04:52, 2:05:00]: And I know once you create uh a development like this and then it is [2:05:01, 2:05:18]: you know, you sort of create a designation and you can't really get away from that. So and I and I spoke with the with the gentleman and um and I expressed to them that I had some concern but but I wanted to hear the total presentation today though. [2:05:19, 2:05:39]: So with that being said, Mayor, I I yield back. So right now uh the the property zone medium density residential, which allows for residential uses. It does not allow for any type of commercial uses. Uh I think this designation has been um upon the property since it was annexed into the to the city back. [2:05:39, 2:05:44]: back in uh early two thousands. So it has not been changed, however uh [2:05:44, 2:06:01]: the development patterns of the area i area is starting to become more commercial on that part of Davis Road and uh down by Walmart. So it's starting to change. So it wouldn't be out of the question to seek a change in the land use to low density mix use. [2:06:02, 2:06:15]: Well I I will say that when you and I met and discussed this, uh you somewhat spoke favorable of the trend of what the city [2:06:16, 2:06:36]: what direction the city may want to go in in this particular area. And and I understood that and and I was open to that. And and I and I guess as we discuss this, other council members, and they come forward, uh it it it may become a little clearer. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mayor. [2:06:36, 2:06:36]: Yeah. [2:06:39, 2:06:40]: Oh of course. [2:06:40, 2:06:45]: Okay, go ahead, please. So what does the future land use map show for this d this property? [2:06:50, 2:06:55]: Um we just did a lot of work, right? Yes. As Councilman Thomas indicated. [2:06:58, 2:07:00]: Future Land Youth shows. [2:07:01, 2:07:13]: Low density residential for one parcel and it shows um medium density residential for another for for two other parcels and then the fourth it shows low density mixed use. [2:07:14, 2:07:16]: So it has split the four parcels. [2:07:17, 2:07:27]: has split land use designations. So he's trying to get'em up to be com the intent will be to combine uh the four parcels into one and to have one designated land use. [2:07:28, 2:07:48]: Yeah, I and I certainly understand the trends in the area and certainly uh you know, we just reviewed another um self-storage, basically a block away, and then there's one already existing that's a block away that uh along North Henry Boulevard in the same general area. [2:07:48, 2:08:08]: And I think we had expressed a desire on this council that we want something better than that. Yet we keep getting the same requests that come before us for the same or similar development that we were expecting in the area, but we continue to get the same type of request. And these uh developments [2:08:08, 2:08:27]: uh seem to continue to come before us where we're um looking at different s distinctions and I think the council did show some reservation and said that we wanted to staff to look at a distance requirement because of uh the number of these were that were coming forward. And you would be working on that, is that correct? [2:08:27, 2:08:42]: Yes, sir. We'll we're looking at that. That's on our on our list of things to do. So we will be looking at that. Uh coming up real soon. Um we haven't reached we haven't been able to do it yet, but it's on the list of items we have to do. So [2:08:42, 2:09:00]: Right, but currently this shows for medium density residential and low density residential, and this is asking for a commercial trend along Davis Parkway. Davidson Parkway right now. What else commercial is along Davidson Parkway right now? Um [2:09:02, 2:09:07]: I don't believe there's anything over there alone on Davis but uh in the vicinity. [2:09:08, 2:09:28]: Correct. So this would certainly be a tremendous change because right now there's nothing along Davidson Parkway and we just approved the development for a builder to build a number of homes uh in that area to um for approval. So um you know that the th this would [2:09:28, 2:09:48]: would be a major change because those residents have been over there and they've had drivetime automotive, which is right behind their neighborhood, driving right through the middle of their neighborhood. And I honestly I just don't see what uh a lot of value being brought in for this particular um proposal, but certainly I'll listen. [2:09:47, 2:09:48]: Thank you. [2:09:49, 2:10:02]: Council, any specific questions for Mr. Yeah, go ahead, Fitz. I I wanna make a distinction for for Councilman. Uh this is not Davison Parkway. Right. This is Davis Road. [2:10:03, 2:10:06]: So w this is a totally different area. [2:10:09, 2:10:29]: What what what what is a l what commercial right there is in that general area for so so when I get Walmart? I'm saying in terms of when I get it into the um into the um rezoning portion, I'll pull up the zoning map so you can see the uh the zoning uses over there. So I'll do that. [2:10:29, 2:10:36]: the other one that's already been considered. Okay, I mentioned it previously. Let me go back to it. Um [2:10:36, 2:10:38]: Mm mm, it's a different one. [2:10:38, 2:10:47]: You see this you see my uh cursor? Right. Got it. Okay. That's that's that's this proposed facility right here. And right here to the left. [2:10:49, 2:10:53]: That's the one that's currently on the in the development phase. [2:10:54, 2:10:59]: That's about uh legend. I uh it's probably [2:11:00, 2:11:04]: I can't I s it's it's a little more than a block. [2:11:07, 2:11:10]: No s no ma'am, this is a different group. [2:11:11, 2:11:28]: It's a different group. The other one was they had the right to uh build us a self storage facility. They had the zoning in place already. Uh this one right here that's under question that's in that we're presenting tonight, they need the zoning to build what they're proposing. [2:11:30, 2:11:36]: Yes, sir, go ahead, please. And and and as I express to to the gentleman, [2:11:36, 2:11:39]: See, my major concern with [2:11:40, 2:11:43]: Um future planning. [2:11:44, 2:11:47]: Future land use planning. [2:11:48, 2:11:52]: I want us to be conscious of [2:11:53, 2:11:54]: The future. [2:11:55, 2:11:58]: When you look at a particular area [2:11:59, 2:12:01]: What do we want to see? [2:12:02, 2:12:11]: In this area in the future. We know we have the Walmart here, and you have some other commercial. You do have some residential. [2:12:12, 2:12:14]: Uh structure somewhat in the back. [2:12:15, 2:12:23]: Uh, and I've been trying to work with some of those property owners in the past. But I I just want the gentleman to understand, too, that [2:12:24, 2:12:31]: We as elected officials and we have a planning department and things that we have to approve. [2:12:32, 2:12:47]: And I want us to take in consideration when we look at future land use, you know, what where we're trying to go, what is the future of this particular area? And and and you know, sometimes we get it right, sometimes we don't. [2:12:48, 2:13:01]: But this is why I'm sort of speaking to this point because I want us to really understand that, you know, we are at this point now where we have a decision to make for this total area because [2:13:02, 2:13:05]: Once you build whatever you build [2:13:06, 2:13:10]: That's somewhat dictates what's to follow. [2:13:11, 2:13:21]: And and you know, and if this council wanna go that way, I I I mean I'm not gonna object to it but I just want us to be conscious of [2:13:22, 2:13:23]: Future. [2:13:24, 2:13:44]: And where we're trying to go in this particular area. So what usually precipitate the um the construction of or the proposed location of these um self-storage facilities is due to the high number of construction, high number of units we have approved in the city and plus they're not building homes as large as they used to used to. [2:13:44, 2:14:04]: And uh this is uh a low intensity use, low intensity land use which has very low traffic. And it's in w we have construction slated off Davis Road and Valley Hill Road, and we have a lot of units being built off uh Reeves Creek near David and Davidson Parkway. Mm-hmm. Due to the sheer number of [2:14:04, 2:14:13]: Units we we have proposed, these types of uh developments usually pop up because of the number of units we're developing in the city of Stockbridge. [2:14:13, 2:14:14]: Okay. [2:14:15, 2:14:24]: Well maybe I I just like just hear from some of the other council members, but Okay. I I'm I'm okay with you know the decision of the council. Okay. Okay. [2:14:24, 2:14:26]: Thus far. Any other questions right now from Ms. Annson? [2:14:27, 2:14:38]: I don't have a question, it's more of a statement. So the other um public storage facility that we discussed at the last meeting, that was in my district. Yes. Um [2:14:40, 2:14:57]: This area, um, I know it's split between myself and Councilman Thomas. Um what the residents desire in the area is not another public storage facility. They want other options. Commercial. Commercial land use designation is what I prefer. [2:14:58, 2:15:03]: for this area um not including another storage. [2:15:04, 2:15:07]: It just so [2:15:08, 2:15:17]: Um urban planning is not my thing. I don't know much about it. But I would just think that we would be looking in terms of making sure that we have diverse um [2:15:18, 2:15:25]: business options and that they're not all um restricted to certain districts or certain areas. [2:15:25, 2:15:32]: We know that um a public storage facility is already coming right there on the corner of Davis Road. [2:15:34, 2:15:40]: А час канат супов анатопуль сторжі і сам vicinity a block away. [2:15:41, 2:15:43]: I think we need to [2:15:44, 2:15:46]: Um make sure that we [2:15:46, 2:15:52]: change our uh what is it the restrictions, making sure that [2:15:52, 2:16:12]: We don't have certain businesses all within the same mile radius and public for s public storage facilities need to be added to that list. Okay. Um I get it. I get it. We've got new residential developments that's popping up all over the city, but it just seems [2:16:12, 2:16:13]: Seems like [2:16:13, 2:16:19]: A lot of these residential developments are coming to my district. [2:16:20, 2:16:24]: I don't want to have a district of four or five storage facilities. [2:16:25, 2:16:25]: Um [2:16:26, 2:16:31]: And I get it. I know that with these public storage facilities they're [2:16:31, 2:16:33]: Low um [2:16:34, 2:16:43]: Low usage, not a whole lot of traffic. Um, they're pretty safe. Um, I get it. Um right now there's nothing there. [2:16:43, 2:16:44]: Um [2:16:45, 2:16:49]: Акети, базиденцово преfer то си а ресторан. [2:16:50, 2:16:52]: They prefer to see another [2:16:52, 2:16:53]: You know [2:16:53, 2:16:54]: Shopping. [2:16:54, 2:16:56]: A retail store. [2:16:56, 2:16:57]: That's what they would prefer to see. [2:16:58, 2:17:01]: Um it is close to Walmart. [2:17:01, 2:17:03]: So there are other [2:17:03, 2:17:23]: options um that we could seek. But another storage facility in the same vicinity that was well that is already being approved, I can't support it. Not at this time. Thank you. Okay. On that note, Ms. Anson, you have uh rezoning cases still go through that that particular piece too as well. [2:17:23, 2:17:41]: Yes, yes sir. The rezoning will come after the after I announced what staff recommended for this. Well staff well staff recommended approval for uh the the land use change from medium density residential to low density mixed use. [2:17:42, 2:17:47]: For the construction of this facility. All right. So staff recommended approval. All right. [2:17:47, 2:17:50]: So I I'll move on to the uh reason only. Okay. [2:18:13, 2:18:33]: In our analysis, after we researched and objectively evaluated the criteria, we found that the proposed self-storage facility meets the purpose and intent and intent of the Stockbridge Unified Development Code. The proposed self-storage facility meets section meets the requirement of section A. [2:18:33, 2:18:53]: of section one point four because it can promote the safety and general welfare by providing a s secure place for nearby and incoming residents and nearby businesses across from the Davis Pimit Pavilion Shopping Center to store their belongings. The development meets both Section B and Section C since it prohibits eighteen woolers from accessing the site once the construction is completed. [2:18:53, 2:19:05]: Complete. The prohibition of 18 wheels decreases the traffic impact on Davis Road. In addition, the development can meet Section H since the site will be clean and well managed. So as we went through our uh [2:19:07, 2:19:11]: criteria and objectively evaluated um [2:19:13, 2:19:21]: The list of requirements, the um we found that this applicant's request was pretty consist consistent with our code and future land use plan. [2:19:24, 2:19:31]: Let me get to the mail. So as a result, staff did recommend approval with eight conditions. [2:19:33, 2:19:53]: Condition number one, the site plan shall be developed similar to the site plan that was submitted by the applicant on August 8, 2024. The developer shall provide a 40-foot buffer along the eastern side of the property adjacent to Stockbridge Estate's mobile home, a 15-foot buffer along the western side, adjacent to Davis Pavilion Shopping Center, and a 15-foot [2:19:53, 2:20:13]: Foot buffer along the southern side, adjacent to Walmart Shopping Center, in accordance with section 3.2.34F of the Stockbridge Unified Development Code. Condition three relates to the architectural standards. Each building must have at least 50% of its exterior on all four facades constructed with. [2:20:13, 2:20:21]: With brick, stone, or a combination of these materials. The number of rental units shall be limited to a maximum of 247. [2:20:22, 2:20:42]: Condition number five, flock cameras shall be installed at the entrance of the facility. Condition number six, street lights shall be installed around the perimeter of the property. Condition seven, ingress and egress, ingress and egress must be up must be provided for the fire by the fire marshal for all buildings. The self-stored [2:20:42, 2:20:49]: Facility must be enclosed with a gate. So those are the eight conditions of approval that staff recommended for this project. [2:20:51, 2:21:11]: Okay, thanks. Okay. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Uh m Mr Standard, would would you re-emphasize um the ingress and egress location? And would you put up the graphic that shows the uh 247 units? Okay, I'll go back to that, sir. But uh [2:21:29, 2:21:30]: Okay. [2:21:31, 2:21:36]: That shows the that's a rendering of it. But I might have a better side plan. [2:21:36, 2:21:37]: Uh [2:21:38, 2:21:48]: Go back one. That one. I think it's two hundred and forty seven. That's a total of two hundred and forty seven. Yes, sir. So we limit it to no more than two hundred and forty seven units. [2:21:48, 2:21:56]: And and the uh ingress and egress is is it uh Davis Road or is it that side street, so and I don't know the name of the street. [2:22:04, 2:22:05]: Do you know the name of that district? [2:22:06, 2:22:08]: Yeah, you got uh [2:22:11, 2:22:12]: Okay, that's another one. [2:22:13, 2:22:21]: You see right here it goes onto Davis Road? Okay, okay. You see Council Member Thomas? I'm sorry. You see where my curse is? Yes. Onto Davis Road. [2:22:22, 2:22:22]: Okay. [2:22:30, 2:22:43]: And and and the green dots are those are that's landscaping. Okay. Yes. And the gray part are are the are the units. That's the concrete and the those are the uh the units. Okay. [2:22:44, 2:22:51]: That's the payment rather. Okay. Well may I I yield to see if other council members have any discussion. [2:22:52, 2:22:55]: Any questions right now from Mr. Anderson about the rezoning aspect? [2:22:56, 2:23:00]: If not, how about the the applicant? Uh could you come to the podium please? [2:23:06, 2:23:13]: Please introduce yourself and and name and address. Yes. Bob Nesbitt, twelve thirty five Lionsgate Drive, Carnage, Georgia. [2:23:14, 2:23:18]: Rogers Gautier, twelve thirty six Avenue on Drive, Connus, Georgia. All right. [2:23:18, 2:23:32]: All right, gentlemen, you've been listening to the presentation and uh our comments. What what do you have a a presentation of your own or comments do you want to answer? Yes, we do have a presentation. I believe I sent over the PowerPoint. Is that available? [2:23:49, 2:23:50]: What is one now? [2:23:59, 2:24:00]: Can't close this out. [2:24:24, 2:24:35]: I'm I'm ready. Go right ahead, sir. All right. Good evening. Uh first I'd like to say thank you to the mayor, to members of the city council, as well as to the staff, and thank you for the opportunity to present our proposal. [2:24:36, 2:24:55]: May it please this this commission, uh uh this city council that we would like to say on behalf of B One Home Improvement that we are here to tell you exactly what we intend to do and how we feel that this can benefit the community, the people that live in close proximity, as well as the city of Stockbridge as a whole. [2:24:55, 2:24:56]: Okay. [2:24:58, 2:25:05]: Uh first this is and I think you've seen it earlier, this is exactly how uh it sits on the land. This is a survey of the land. [2:25:06, 2:25:23]: This shows the construction. It's going to be brick on all sides except for the front where there's gonna actually be the door where people can enter and exit from the storage facility. But it's gonna be brick on all sides as well as brick on the front except for where the doors are located and that's what this elevation shows. [2:25:25, 2:25:45]: Here where you see uh the yellow that's going around, that's the actual land itself. Directly behind it you see is Walmart. And behind there is the area where the Walmart will have their trucks that will come in and deliver their goods and products to provide for that particular store. If we look over here [2:25:45, 2:26:05]: Here on this side here, this is a a mall area or a strip mall or a service area where people go in and purchase from retail businesses right there on that side of it. In the front is going to be Davis Road, and to the side, uh to the back are some homes that are back in that area. [2:26:05, 2:26:11]: And then there are or there is a facility that is doing business uh right next to it. [2:26:14, 2:26:22]: This is a picture of that area where the uh where the mall is, where people had can go in and purchase retail goods and services. [2:26:23, 2:26:27]: And that is just another picture of that particular location. [2:26:28, 2:26:48]: This is a facility that is directly to the right. They sell wood. They actually burn wood on the site, chop wood right there, right next to where our property is. That if we go back up uh and we look here, uh right here on this side here on the front that fronts on Davis Road is this particular [2:26:48, 2:26:50]: [8812.8, 8820.9]: Is not something that we think is favorable. There's another picture of of what it looks like that's right there on Davis Road. Uh you can even see the smoke that's going up. [2:27:03, 2:27:23]: We intend to improve, enhance, and hopefully make this a better community. What we find is that right now there are a number of homes that are being built in close proximity. Those people need a place to store their goods. The businesses that are there near Walmart, and also those retail businesses, as well as small businesses. [2:27:23, 2:27:43]: Business owners also need a place to store their goods. This will help in meeting that need and fulfilling that. This here is a picture of what it will look like. This is our rendition of what the landscaping will look like. It will be beautiful, it will be aesthetic, and it will be something that when you drive by from the road, that it will look not. [2:27:43, 2:27:50]: Nice. It will be something that you would see in any other major city throughout the uh Georgia area. [2:27:52, 2:28:08]: This is the type of fencing that we'll have. It'll be wrought wrought iron or wrought iron looking fencing that will be very uh aesthetically pleasing and it will be at least eight feet high and it will be something that will when someone drives by, it will be something that is very nice. [2:28:10, 2:28:12]: This is what the front of the storage units will look like. [2:28:19, 2:28:26]: This is also what it will look like where someone can easily drive up. They can load and unload their goods as they go in and out of the facility. [2:28:28, 2:28:35]: This here is just a picture just showing someone that how they would actually put something on the dolly, go in and out of the storage unit. [2:28:36, 2:28:56]: Now let's talk about some of the things, some of the concerns that this city council may have. What are the benefits of a storage facility? First of all, it is convenient for the residents, it increases property values. Why are we saying that? If people do not have a place to store goods, if they have items that now are [2:28:56, 2:29:16]: Exceeding and going into the yard, then it creates clutter, it creates a look that is not beneficial to the community, and as a result, property values go up. In areas where you have storage units that can be used, you tend to find that people will not have clutter in their homes. It will make the areas look nice and it enhances the value of your community. [2:29:16, 2:29:21]: It enhances the values of those homes and it makes for a nice place for people to live. [2:29:23, 2:29:43]: Uh it reduces clutter. Clutter is very important, and that's one of the main purposes of the storage unit. It's low impact on traffic. So now when we start to talk about what's going in and out of that facility, you're not going to see a whole lot of traffic. It's not going to put a burden on our roadways. It's not going to cause for us to have to build new roads. [2:29:43, 2:30:03]: It's going to be something that will be available for people to go in and out at reasonable times and reasonable hours, but it is low impact on traffic. This will be a state-of-the-art facility. It will be something that is virtual. People can go in and out. There'll be cameras all day long. It will be monitored by cameras. [2:30:03, 2:30:23]: And when people uh register to get it, they will do it online. There's no office, no personnel that is there, and we will have all of the equipment that is necessary in order to support having a state-of-the-art storage facility. This differentiates from the other storage facilities in the area. So I think the one that we were talking about there's going to be [2:30:22, 2:30:27]: be proposed. This is a two-story facility that also has a basement. [2:30:28, 2:30:48]: We have no basements, we have no two stories. It's not something that when someone drives by, they're gonna see some high-rise facility. What they're gonna see is the rendition that we have where it's gonna be trees and shrubs, and it will be aesthetically pleasing, and it's something that will enhance the look in that neighborhood in that area as opposed to what you have on one side. [2:30:48, 2:31:06]: A gentleman that has a a lumber yard where he's chopping wood, burning wood, and on the other side, we have retail businesses directly behind, you have Walmart. So this is something that will fit into the area, it will enhance the area, and it will also provide a service for those people that live there. [2:31:08, 2:31:28]: It is environmentally friendly. It is not something that is going to create uh any type of smoke in the air. It's not going to do anything that's going to affect the water. It's not going to do anything that's going to affect the ground, the soil. It is something where people will go in and out and they will use that facility in order to benefit them so that they can have a better quality of life. [2:31:27, 2:31:28]: [9089.5, 9109.5]: It also is a support for small businesses. We have talked with numerous small businesses, and one of the major problems they have is that when they are out and they have inventory that comes in and now they don't have enough room, what do they do? They go to a storage facility. When you have uh small uh construction companies that are doing business, they need to have [2:31:49, 2:32:05]: have their equipment somewhere instead of leaving it outside where it is an eyesore to our community and it's also open to theft, they can bring it into the storage unit and this is where they can keep their equipment and it provides a service to them and it also helps to provide beautification to our areas in our community. [2:32:07, 2:32:27]: When we look at this, this is adaptive to the land use. This is the highest and the best use for this particular property. If we really look at it, no one is going to want to build a home or have a residence where you have Walmart directly behind you with trucks going in and out on one side, and you have a retail facility that's selling uh goods to customers and and cars and traffic. [2:32:27, 2:32:29]: going out all day long right next door. [2:32:30, 2:32:50]: This is something that can fit in and it will not be a disturbance to the other businesses that are there. It won't be a disturbance to the homeowners that live in that community because it will be a service that will prov be provided. And the way that we have it set up with the trees and the shrubs and the fencing, it will be aesthetically pleasing. It will not be an eyesore. It will upgrade. [2:32:50, 2:32:51]: The neighborhood. [2:32:51, 2:33:11]: Mr. Nesm, before we go on the next slide, I just uh something just came up and I just want to reach back and catch this. This would be one story, several different buildings, eight different buildings, if I understand, right? That's correct. One story, only one story, three quarters really brick. Uh because the front side you got the the you got the door that goes up, so you can't brick you can't brick that thing. Just the post that are brick. [2:33:11, 2:33:25]: that support the building but other than that the door. Okay. That's correct. Now if I if I I might have heard this and I just need to get clarification. Did you say that there would not be anybody in any support staff on site? That is correct. Okay. So I rent it [2:33:25, 2:33:45]: So if I what if I have a problem, troubleshooting, anything like that, how do how do I get assistance or how do I even sign up? We have a customer service number where you can call in. We also have someone that electronically can open and close the gate and also can monitor a facility. So the the the only issue that we have is that if someone comes in and let's just say uh they have a flat tire, well they [2:33:45, 2:34:03]: They call someone to come fix it. They have a cell phone, they can access any help that they would need. So there's no no real issue in terms of someone physically being there because generally speaking, uh the only reason that person is there is to collect money or to sign someone up. All of that is done online. [2:34:03, 2:34:19]: And and I might add that in terms of emergencies, twenty four hours emergencies, it's tied into the video integration system, the VIC system, the security is. So anything that's necessary, we would definitely be tied in into the um emergency management system of Stockbridge or Henry County. [2:34:20, 2:34:39]: All right. So be it. Thank you. Okay. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. While we're on that subject, and you mentioned a couple of things. Um and and what shot to my mind was theft prevention. Um other units [2:34:40, 2:34:41]: Climate controlled. [2:34:42, 2:34:44]: No, sir, the units are not climate controlled. [2:34:45, 2:34:51]: 'Cause see w one thing I've learned, cause I have used storage facilities in the past that [2:34:52, 2:34:56]: mold and mildew will create [2:34:56, 2:34:59]: If you know the change in other heat. [2:35:00, 2:35:17]: the coldness, the Marsha, et cetera, et cetera. So I would be a little concerned about that. Um and be honest with you, I'm I'm not familiar with the wood burning company. I would think that the smoke would probably penetrate [2:35:17, 2:35:18]: The units [2:35:19, 2:35:39]: And smell up your goods. And I'm I'm not gonna ask Mr. Anderson now, but that is a question I wanna ask asked about this this wood burning company because I wasn't familiar with that, but I'm glad you brought that up. Yes, sir. Well, I just drove out there today. As a matter of fact, those pictures were taken today. Yeah. [2:35:39, 2:35:40]: Uh and the [2:35:40, 2:36:00]: That smoke goes up into the air. It's not something that that blows across into uh where our facility would be located. I'm I'm sure it could if there was a wind or something of that nature. But the way it is, it goes straight up and it creates a plume in the air. Uh and that's that's why we're looking to do something that we feel is conducive to that area that will be a [2:36:00, 2:36:20]: Upgrade that will be an improvement. And if you look at our our drawings when we did the rendition, it's something that's gonna be nice. It's gonna it's gonna almost look like there's an office complex there as opposed to what the traditional storage unit is like. Like we say, this is the state of the art uh facility that was set so that one, it's it's [2:36:20, 2:36:40]: Now, what we do now in 2024. Everybody does everything online. You go on the phone, you tap it in, you make contact, you sign everything online, you register, they give you your code, you drive up, you have to have your particular code, and you also have to scan. It allows you to go in. We have the state of the art. [2:36:40, 2:36:45]: Security system so that it's tied in to Henry County andor. [2:36:45, 2:37:05]: uh the city of Stockbridge, so that any issues that may occur, those can be addressed immediately. And and I think one of the biggest things that that we look at from a from a city standpoint, and and this is just an opinion on my part, is that we look at things that one, that don't create a burden on the city, and that two also bring in additional tax revenues. [2:37:05, 2:37:25]: If we look at a storage facility, it it's it's different than residential, because with residential, now you have occupants, which means that you're gonna have to have police protection. You're gonna have more uh incidents of fire, so you need fire protection. It's gonna be a drain on the water system, it's gonna be a drain on the emergency system, and you only get property taxes. With this particular piece of property, [2:37:25, 2:37:45]: You will get property taxes, but it will also generate tax dollars from sales of the units. And very if you have very little need for police, you have very little need for uh fire, uh, very little need for water, very little need for emergency, and also it it it it has no additional students to the school system. So this is something that [2:37:44, 2:37:54]: benefits and I think it's a win-win for our community. Uh we also look at it from the viewpoint that there is ninety-two percent occupancy of the storage units in the city of Stockbridge. [2:37:55, 2:38:15]: The only reason that it's not 100% is because when someone moves out, then it takes a period of time for them to find the next person to rent that facility. So there is a need, there is a demand, and that's why you see uh units trying to come in because there's a need for supply. Supply meets demand, demand requires supply. So uh we're we're trying to do that. [2:38:15, 2:38:35]: We're trying to meet that need, we're trying to meet the demand, but we're also trying to do it at a level that will enhance and improve and and make Stockbridge look better when compared to what's in that area. And that's why I took some pictures today. I d actually drove out there today to take pictures so you can see what is there and what it what it could be. [2:38:35, 2:38:55]: And that's the purpose of what we're trying to do. There's uh uh in the next uh slide here we have amenities and features of the storage facility. It's advanced security measures, which we've talked about, user online booking system, flexible renting terms, competitive pricing. We are pricing ourselves so that we will be [2:38:55, 2:39:12]: beat any competitors in the area where we bring in lower prices, better services. And how do we do that? We do that because with the technology that we're using, we're not incurring the same cost that they are incurring to run their business. Because everything is done online, everything is digital, everything is state of the art. [2:39:13, 2:39:32]: It's a dedicated customer service and we're catering to the needs of the local community. And one of the slides that will be forthcoming will talk about what we've done in order to be able to make the statement that this is something that's catering to the needs of the community. It's aesthetically designed for enhanced beautification. [2:39:34, 2:39:54]: When we look at that, what what are some of the specific benefits? It's declutter of homes. Storage units provide extra space for households for us to store their belongings. Seasonal storage. Families can store items for holidays, for decorations, for recreational equipment, for off season clothing. [2:39:54, 2:40:14]: And for keeping their homes and their houses organized. I bet if you polled everybody in this room, as well as probably some of you on the council, we've all used a storage unit at some point in time. We've all had a need for a storage unit at some point in time. And even if there are disasters, then people need storage units. In Conyers, we had the [2:40:14, 2:40:34]: The issue where we just had a chemical plant that had a a big chemical burn. A lot of people had to be evacuated. What is the first thing that happened? All of the storage units were filled to capacity, and they even had to go outside of the local area in order to have a place to put their needs and their goods. So these things, even though it may not be the [2:40:34, 2:40:36]: The thing that we always think about that [2:40:37, 2:40:57]: We should have in our community, it's really a need that that should be uh uh addressed and needs to happen. And when you start to have facilities where there aren't enough storage units, you'll start to see the clutter build up in your neighborhoods, you'll start to see uh trash and other things that come along with it, stray animals and pets going after those things. [2:40:57, 2:41:01]: things uh storage units are really something that is needed. [2:41:04, 2:41:24]: Somewhat what are some of the key factors? There's been no opposition from the local community. We've been to a few hearings here, we've talked to people in the community. There basically is very little to no opposition when you begin to explain to them what we're trying to do and they see the type of storage facility that we're going to put forth in your community. [2:41:25, 2:41:32]: It has passed by the uh planning commission. It's also recommended uh here by by your staff. [2:41:33, 2:41:47]: Uh we did a market survey. We hired a firm that did a market survey and they pulled people in the area where these homes are located where the homes are located in close proximity, and 88% of the residents were in favor of a storage unit. [2:41:49, 2:41:52]: As a matter of fact, many of them used storage units. [2:41:53, 2:42:13]: There is a 92% occupancy rate for storage facilities in the city of Stockbridge. This is the highest and best use for that land. If you look at it, what can we really put there that's going to be able to benefit the community and also not be a burden on this on uh the city of Stockbridge at the same time? It will bring in additional tax revenues. [2:42:13, 2:42:22]: Such as sales taxes and property taxes. It reduces the burden on the city from the viewpoint of police, fire, water, schools. [2:42:23, 2:42:43]: as as well as emergency needs. It's low impact on traffic. And we have limited our hours of operation from people coming in and out from 7 a.m. to 7 PM, primarily through most of the daylight hours. So there's not going to be any late night traffic. There's not going to be any incidents of things that are occurred. As as was said, there's going to [2:42:42, 2:42:59]: be need for a flock. There are also going to be security cameras. So this is something that's going to be safe and secure. And it's very little crime that you find that occurs at storage facilities. So with that, we're willing to answer any questions that you may have. [2:43:01, 2:43:03]: Any questions, Council? Any additional questions? [2:43:05, 2:43:12]: Is Barber you have something? Go ahead please. I do. Um so the poll that you mentioned or the survey that you did. [2:43:13, 2:43:20]: Were those residents aware that there is a storage facility coming um already approved or coming across the street? [2:43:20, 2:43:40]: Uh to to be very honest with you, I I don't believe that the people that were taking the poll informed them of other storage units in the area. Right. They were speaking in general about is there a need and what do they have any objection to a storage unit. And many of them said eighty eight percent said that they were comfortable and in favor of a storage facility. [2:43:40, 2:43:43]: And many of them said that they had a need for storage facility. [2:43:44, 2:43:57]: And I would honestly I would have supported your proposal and your request had it not been for the other storage facility that's already coming. [2:43:57, 2:44:10]: Um that's that's the only challenge that I have. We already have one that's coming and there's already another storage facility um less than a mile away. That's that's my only challenge there. [2:44:10, 2:44:30]: If if I may respond to that, and I and I do appreciate your opinion and I do understand uh the point that I want to make is that our storage facility is heads and tails above these other facilities. Our our unit is something that is beautiful and aesthetically pleasing, and it's something that when you [2:44:30, 2:44:40]: When you look at it from the ground, it's not far up above ground where it's an eyesore. It's something that is going to enhance and improve. And it was designed with that in mind when it was done. [2:44:41, 2:44:48]: I get it. And honestly I would have supported it had it not been for the other one. That's what I'm challenged with. Um [2:44:50, 2:44:50]: That's all. [2:44:51, 2:44:53]: I I do appreciate that viewpoint. Thank you. [2:44:53, 2:44:54]: Any other questions from the council? [2:44:56, 2:44:56]: Okay. [2:44:57, 2:44:58]: If not then uh gentlemen. [2:44:58, 2:45:07]: I guess if what Pullman uh nothing else to say right now, you can have a sitting on open up for the public hearing. Okay? Yes, sir. No problem. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate your time and your consideration. Thank you very much. [2:45:08, 2:45:16]: Okay. All right. In favor? Anybody in favor of of this um particular storage unit? My far left hand side over here. Any comments? [2:45:16, 2:45:19]: Anybody in the middle? Any favor? Any comments? [2:45:20, 2:45:23]: For our right side. Any comments in favor? [2:45:23, 2:45:27]: Okay, any any comments against uh this tour storage facility? [2:45:27, 2:45:30]: Yeah on the far left side. Anything in the middle. [2:45:30, 2:45:31]: Anything on the right side? [2:45:32, 2:45:36]: All right, no comments for favor or against for or against. So I'll close out that part of the public hearing. [2:45:37, 2:45:39]: Uh Mr. Anderson, come back to the podium, please. [2:45:46, 2:46:00]: All right, what we have here, if there are no other comments uh from the council, then I'll go through this process uh for approval or disapproval. Comprehensive plan amendment case CP two zero two four-07 for uh uh property located in council district two. [2:46:01, 2:46:21]: Consideration of comprehensive plan amendment request for a change of land uh future land use designations for four parcels on the south side Davis Road as identified below. From the current split future land use designations to low density mixed use to the entire for the entire property for the purpose of allowing the the construction of self-storage well. [2:46:21, 2:46:41]: Warehouse development, excuse me. The property owner is B1 Home Improvement LLC and the agents are Robert Nesbeth and Rogers Gutierrez. The property is located in Landlot 71 District 12 and contains 6.895 acres. Address 649 Davis Road parcels S05. [2:46:41, 2:47:01]: Contains three point six zero five zero acres, current future land use designations, low density residential and medium density mixed use. Address six five seven Davis Road parcels S05-0800-3000 contains [2:47:01, 2:47:21]: Contains point six six acres, current land future land use designation unassigned. After 681 Davis Row parcel S05-08005-000 contains 1.34 error acres. Future current future land use designations, low density residential and medium density. [2:47:21, 2:47:41]: Mixed use. Parcel number S05-08006-000 on Davis Road. Contains 1.29 acres. Current future land use designation low density residential and medium density mixed use. All right, council, is there a motion to approve or deny this particular comprehensive plan? [2:47:40, 2:48:00]: make one comment. Yes, what's that, sir? Let me just say this to the council. And I've looked at the uh proposals, I've listened to everything that's been said. But look, I'm just the issue with me is that I don't know who who they surveyed, but I've I haven't seen anybody in the community that supports. I keep hearing over and over [2:48:00, 2:48:20]: Again, the the citizens want to see something better than this. They want to see better options. They want to see retail. They want to see restaurants. Yet we keep getting the same proposals. And we're gonna keep getting the same proposals with a yes vote tonight. I can't support this, so I'm not gonna vote for it. And it's up to you all to determine what you would do. [2:48:20, 2:48:23]: But in my opinion, I can't support this. [2:48:25, 2:48:29]: All right, there's uh there's a motion to approve or de or disapprove or approve this [2:48:29, 2:48:31]: Company's plan amendment. [2:48:33, 2:48:34]: Is there a motion? [2:48:36, 2:48:44]: All right. Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. I do I wanna ask a question of Mr. Gardner. And forgive me, Mr. Gardner, for putting you on the spot. [2:48:46, 2:48:49]: So, this is one of those situations where [2:48:52, 2:48:54]: We don't want a truck stop. [2:48:54, 2:48:55]: Mm-hmm. [2:48:57, 2:48:59]: But what kind of [2:49:00, 2:49:03]: Undecided about this public storage facility. [2:49:03, 2:49:11]: We don't want high residential townhome community built there. That area is already highly populated. [2:49:14, 2:49:20]: I understand with this public storage facility that it's less traffic. [2:49:21, 2:49:30]: I get it. They are low burden on the city's resources. But in terms of [2:49:30, 2:49:35]: Developing the area with more desirable. [2:49:35, 2:49:36]: Commercial. [2:49:36, 2:49:40]: Not saying that this public stores facility is not desirable. [2:49:41, 2:49:43]: Because I would have considered this one. [2:49:44, 2:49:47]: As opposed to the other one that's right on the corner of [2:49:48, 2:49:49]: North Henry. [2:49:51, 2:49:55]: What would you suggest going forward? Um or [2:49:56, 2:49:57]: At any point. [2:49:57, 2:50:00]: In this particular area of Davis Road. [2:50:00, 2:50:02]: Well we have the town home. [2:50:02, 2:50:03]: Development is coming. [2:50:04, 2:50:05]: In my district. [2:50:06, 2:50:06]: Um [2:50:06, 2:50:09]: and even off Valley Hill Road. [2:50:10, 2:50:11]: Because I know [2:50:12, 2:50:13]: Our future land use map. [2:50:14, 2:50:16]: Um, we're not anticipating [2:50:16, 2:50:17]: Well [2:50:18, 2:50:20]: What would you suggest? [2:50:22, 2:50:30]: So, um, Councilmember Barber, um, you know, what I may suggest is [2:50:32, 2:50:32]: No. [2:50:33, 2:50:53]: I don't know if I should we should use that as a criteria um for this specific project. Um but I would say, you know, you you gotta look at it um make sure I get the right. You gotta look at it based on on on the merits of the application. [2:50:52, 2:50:55]: Um [2:50:56, 2:51:03]: I think if I remember correctly, when this came when they were annexing back in oh three, um [2:51:04, 2:51:21]: I I remember correctly, there was proposing to combine and put a subdivision in here, but I don't think that it that I think that fell through shortly after it came into the city and that's why it's been what it's been. Um, the only thing that got built over there was that strip center right there. [2:51:22, 2:51:32]: um adjacent to the Walmart that came in after the Walmart came in. Um because I remember approving that um back in oh two, somewhere around there. Um [2:51:33, 2:51:41]: It's hard. I mean, there is a defining break line as it relates to this project. Obviously, you can't get any more commercial along this corridor. [2:51:42, 2:51:44]: Um the vacant track here is being developed. [2:51:44, 2:52:04]: Um at some point you'll probably see the the trailer parks probably in the next twenty five years, depending on what happens in this area, will probably come up for development. But in terms of a commercial use, this would literally be the last portion of what that area would be. Um just because it's it's [2:52:04, 2:52:08]: Boxed in by residential projects. Um [2:52:09, 2:52:15]: It's up to the council to determine if this is you think is this is the highest and best use. I mean, at this point. [2:52:15, 2:52:23]: um for the property. Um in light of the fact that you just put one literally a fifth of a mile away. Um [2:52:24, 2:52:28]: So that's that's a that's a tough decision to make. Um [2:52:29, 2:52:34]: But, you know, staff looked at it through the analysis and determined that, you know, based on all the factors. [2:52:35, 2:52:40]: Um unrecommed approval. The planning commission did the same, reviewing the staff analysis of it. [2:52:41, 2:52:45]: Um but once again this is a legislative decision, so regardless of that, you guys still [2:52:46, 2:52:47]: You have the final say. [2:52:48, 2:52:48]: Um [2:52:49, 2:52:51]: Could we get something better in there? [2:52:51, 2:52:51]: Maybe. [2:52:52, 2:52:53]: Oh [2:52:53, 2:52:55]: But we don't know when that will be, obviously. [2:52:57, 2:52:58]: So [2:52:58, 2:53:06]: Literally without answering yes or no. It's kind of kind of a situation we're in with this parcel with this this group of parcels. [2:53:09, 2:53:10]: You're welcome. [2:53:10, 2:53:12]: Yeah, for a few please. [2:53:12, 2:53:20]: I I'd just like to say to to the to the gentleman that I I just want to commend you for [2:53:21, 2:53:27]: actually, you know, coming forward and actually even owning the property. Uh for me [2:53:28, 2:53:36]: I I really think this is a i i it it's a valuable piece of property. I really do. Looking at the location [2:53:36, 2:53:47]: I grew up here in Stockbridge and uh and I remember and I hope the council don't mind me going the long version with this, but I remember where the Walmart is. [2:53:48, 2:53:48]: Um [2:53:50, 2:53:51]: The cotton fields. [2:53:52, 2:53:53]: M. L. King senior. [2:53:55, 2:53:58]: uh head a um a sharecropper's [2:53:58, 2:54:01]: Shack where that service station is at Walmart. [2:54:01, 2:54:06]: So my point is that I think this is a valuable piece of land. [2:54:06, 2:54:08]: But as I mentioned before, for me [2:54:10, 2:54:13]: I try to look to the future good. [2:54:13, 2:54:15]: of a particular area. [2:54:16, 2:54:17]: And I know once [2:54:18, 2:54:20]: Whatever you put in there. [2:54:20, 2:54:22]: That's gonna be the trend. [2:54:22, 2:54:26]: And and I don't think we have support tonight for it, but [2:54:27, 2:54:38]: I'll be I'm just a little reluctant to set that trend tonight with storage units. I I am personally. Um [2:54:40, 2:54:43]: But I think this is a great piece of property. [2:54:43, 2:54:45]: think is a valuable piece of property. [2:54:46, 2:54:48]: Just looking at the location. [2:54:48, 2:54:51]: And in all our discussions [2:54:51, 2:54:53]: And our land use plan in [2:54:53, 2:55:03]: You know, you look at that particular area, you know, that whole 138. And see that is the reason why um highway forty two is being widened. [2:55:04, 2:55:05]: Because [2:55:06, 2:55:08]: Everyone see the future. [2:55:08, 2:55:10]: for that particular area. [2:55:11, 2:55:13]: And that gives you some indication that [2:55:13, 2:55:16]: That's a valuable piece of area there. [2:55:16, 2:55:18]: But I just don't know from [2:55:19, 2:55:21]: From our standpoint [2:55:22, 2:55:23]: And turn to [2:55:23, 2:55:26]: forteil the future. [2:55:26, 2:55:28]: With land use. [2:55:29, 2:55:32]: I just don't know if this is the product. [2:55:33, 2:55:38]: that we wanna see right now in that location. I understand the need in like [2:55:38, 2:55:42]: Councilwoman Barber said, There's one already planned. [2:55:43, 2:55:45]: There's one already down the street. [2:55:46, 2:55:49]: So uh I just think that um [2:55:50, 2:56:10]: The timing is bad. I I just really do so. Um I just think you know you you really won't get support tonight on it. Uh I hate to say, you know, uh to turn it down. I I just don't think it's a pass tonight. Um six months from now, I I still don't know. A year from now, I still don't. [2:56:09, 2:56:11]: Yeah. [2:56:11, 2:56:12]: Um [2:56:13, 2:56:19]: to say that if you could come up with another project on the same property, you know, I d I don't know. [2:56:20, 2:56:23]: But I just think this product right here tonight. [2:56:24, 2:56:25]: I just don't think [2:56:26, 2:56:38]: there's any favorable recommendation or vote tonight for a storage unit on that piece of property tonight. I I just don't think it's there. [2:56:39, 2:56:40]: I year back, Mayor. [2:56:41, 2:56:44]: No problem. Call so I need a motion to approve or disapprove, please. [2:56:47, 2:56:47]: Any motion? [2:56:50, 2:56:54]: All right. I'll make a motion to deny the request. Okay. [2:56:55, 2:56:56]: You have a question? [2:56:56, 2:56:56]: No. [2:56:57, 2:57:05]: gonna say well we i i there's no motion to deny. It's either you make a motion for the agenda item, whether you're gonna approve it and then you leave it or it just dies. [2:57:06, 2:57:10]: Well, if no one makes a motion it will die. That's true. That's why I was just waiting. But [2:57:10, 2:57:11]: But uh [2:57:11, 2:57:23]: But it's a approve or deny. And it's either you we either approve it or it just dies. Well, if we if there's not a motion then it will do it before. But if it if we don't have a motion it will die. Okay. [2:57:25, 2:57:25]: Toll. [2:57:26, 2:57:32]: No, it would just be lang languishing out there. But if we officially deny it, they can't come back for six months or a year. [2:57:32, 2:57:44]: I don't know what's what is the decision on what if it if it is denied, what what's excuse me now? A year a year. A year. There you go. There's your answer. Now, is there a motion to approve? [2:57:46, 2:58:00]: Uh my motion was to deny it. I think we've had it and every last one of us have heard that our citizens don't are tired of getting this type of development again and again. All right, fine. So you got a motion to deny. Is there a second to that motion? [2:58:02, 2:58:04]: Mr Mr Berry Second, all in favor, please indicate. [2:58:06, 2:58:12]: All posed. Well wait a minute. I all everybody. Four deny. All all all all agree. [2:58:13, 2:58:15]: Okay. You okay on all polls? [2:58:17, 2:58:18]: Uh abstentions? [2:58:19, 2:58:26]: We have for everybody voted to deny. No, uh no, uh uh Mr Thomas is of uh still stains. Miss Barber, you voted [2:58:28, 2:58:30]: To to deny. [2:58:30, 2:58:31]: To deny. [2:58:33, 2:58:53]: I'm I'm clarifying. I voted to deny. Okay, good there we go. So it it the motion passed with a di well for motion passed to deny. All right, so it's four zero one. All right. Rezoning case R Z two zero two four four four four four four dash zero four. Point of order. Yes. I think without the comprehensive plan it really can't go forward anyway, right? [2:58:53, 2:58:56]: That may everything else fails subsequent to that. [2:58:57, 2:59:03]: All right, thank you. From fast case, so so you're telling Tim, well, legal opinion, do I need to go through the process of reading this w or not? [2:59:06, 2:59:07]: Screaming. [2:59:07, 2:59:27]: That's what I thought. Okay. Rezoning case RZ 2024-08 for property located Council District 2. Consideration rezoning request to rezone for parcels on the south side of Davis Road as are identified below from SR suburban residential to OI office institutional to C3 Heavy Commercial. [2:59:27, 2:59:40]: for the purpose of a line for the construction of self-storage warehouse development. The property owner is a B1 home improvement LLC for the agents and the agents are Robert Nesbeth and Rogers Jutiera. [2:59:42, 3:00:02]: A property located in Landlot 71, District 12, and it contains 6.895 total acres. Address 649 Davis Road, parcel S05-08004-000 contains 3.605 acres. Current zoning SR residential suburban. [3:00:02, 3:00:22]: Suburban residential. Address six five seven Davis Row parcels S05-0800-3000 contains point six six acres. Uh current zoning SR suburban residential. Average six eighty one Davis Row parcel S05-08005000 contains one point. [3:00:22, 3:00:42]: Current zoning SR suburban residential. Parcel S05-0800-6000 on Davis Road contains 1.29 acres. Current zoning OI office institutional. Is there a motion to deny, approve, or deny this particular zoning rezoning? [3:00:42, 3:00:45]: Process. Motion to deny. Is there a second to motion? [3:00:46, 3:00:50]: Mr. Barrett second. All favor, please indicate. Question. Yeah, that's your question, sir. [3:01:09, 3:01:10]: Very well. [3:01:13, 3:01:13]: Way [3:01:15, 3:01:16]: Yes, sir. [3:01:16, 3:01:30]: Right. Yeah. And once again a motion has been made to den motion been made to deny for Mr Alexander, seconded by Mr. Berry. All in favor of the motion to deny. Please indicate. Sorry, gentlemen. [3:01:30, 3:01:41]: Okay. All right, the comprehensive plan amendment case CP two zero two four dash zero eight property located in Council District One. Consideration of comprehensive plan [3:01:42, 3:02:02]: Amendment to change the future land use designation for parcel zero one three dash zero one zero one eight zero zero zero on the east side of uh Black Hall Road, south of Walt Stevens Road from the current future land use designation of a parks slash residential res recreation and conservation of low density residential [3:02:02, 3:02:07]: to allow for a division of property into separate lots for single family detached residential development. [3:02:07, 3:02:27]: Property owners Joyce Kemper Hager Living Trust and Joyce Kemper Hager as Trustee. Applicants AP Property Solutions LLC and Surrenders Sharma. Agent Selby Mill uh Miller Surveying and Planning Incorporated property is located in Landlock 24, District 12, and it contains 4.849. [3:02:27, 3:02:38]: total acres. It has your applicant request of uh withdrawals but it says in front of me. Y Yes, sir Mayor on the on the on the advice of uh legal, uh they wanted counsel to make a motion to accept it. [3:02:39, 3:02:41]: To accept the withdrawal. Okay. [3:02:41, 3:02:44]: Um it was determined that they didn't need uh [3:02:45, 3:02:55]: um sewer I mean a septic tank, so they can build uh they can build on a septic tank instead of s having required being required to have sewer connection. [3:02:55, 3:03:02]: All right. So as a result, they withdrew their application. Oh, they withdrew their application Yeah, so they didn't need the zoning. [3:03:02, 3:03:12]: Mayor. Yes, ma'am. That's not true. We we voted and we've had a discussion about this that everyone now would be required to have sewer. [3:03:14, 3:03:16]: Um didn't we have a discussion about this recently? [3:03:16, 3:03:19]: How recently? How many years ago? [3:03:19, 3:03:39]: Not let it hadn't been that long ago because there was a whole tax issue then we talked about sewage and we talked about septic. Uh uh we we we combed through the uh UDC and other and other uh city codes and it's not in it. And yeah, we probably need to add it and even water's available and sew is available everywhere. [3:03:39, 3:03:42]: Okay, stand by Ms. Holiday, you have something to add? [3:03:51, 3:03:56]: Mr. Deshitz was speaking of it. I remember that we talked about this. We said [3:03:56, 3:04:07]: that because there was a question on whether or not anyone else uh whether or not we're gonna make that a requirement. And there was is some federal law in regards to [3:04:07, 3:04:08]: Um [3:04:09, 3:04:15]: Items that have to be done. It's yeah. If they have access is required now. [3:04:15, 3:04:16]: And there's a requirement. [3:04:17, 3:04:19]: That may be the case, Councilman McGann, but [3:04:20, 3:04:21]: It's not in our coat. [3:04:22, 3:04:23]: So [3:04:28, 3:04:32]: So when they updated the UDC in twenty twenty two, they didn't include it in there. [3:04:33, 3:04:37]: Well then we're gonna have to amend that, but if there's no [3:04:38, 3:04:43]: I didn't hear this. We d we haven't received any opinion of this. Where's legal? [3:04:44, 3:04:46]: Well it was done by a zoning attorney, Ms. Valerie Ross. [3:04:47, 3:04:48]: We're we're legal. [3:04:49, 3:04:57]: Well she s she's here. We have Luke here, but but it's but it's only an attorney represented this or or talked to us about this, I guess. I don't know. I don't know if she can handle this or not. [3:04:59, 3:05:00]: Can you handle it legal? [3:05:01, 3:05:04]: Do you have any answers? Why don't you come to a podium please tonight? [3:05:05, 3:05:06]: Can we call a bell on the phone? [3:05:06, 3:05:10]: No. Ari? Could you come to the mic, please? [3:05:11, 3:05:18]: What w I just wanna understand something? Is there is they're not wanting to connect to the to so to water and sewer? What what is the issue? [3:05:20, 3:05:21]: Legal. [3:05:22, 3:05:22]: Please. [3:05:26, 3:05:28]: We're trying to cut to get the galaxy. [3:05:31, 3:05:40]: And you're looking for something specific, Mr Mar uh Mr. Scar? So the the history has been you can develop on Sioux on septic if there's no Sioux available. [3:05:41, 3:05:45]: Right. So most of your homes in unincorporated Henry County on [3:05:46, 3:05:53]: Three thousand thirty thousand square foot or or larger could be on septic as long as the property can show that it can perk. [3:05:53, 3:05:54]: Right. [3:05:54, 3:05:55]: Um [3:05:55, 3:06:02]: I was just asking Ryan. I think this track came in as part of the twenty twenty three annexation,'cause this wasn't in the city before. [3:06:02, 3:06:03]: Um [3:06:04, 3:06:12]: But usually that's what they require if you're gonna be on a septic system. But if I am not mistaken and I'm trying to see if I could find the map. [3:06:12, 3:06:15]: Дим де згадабі сур. [3:06:16, 3:06:21]: I know sewer serves the conven the B P on the corner. The requirements. [3:06:22, 3:06:25]: So yeah, so I I'm trying to figure out what that [3:06:25, 3:06:45]: What what the new standards is because I haven't looked at Henry County standards in a minute as a release deceptive. Henry County standards is if you have access to it unless they overrule it, then I believe you have to connect to uh available water and sewer. And I think the d water develop the water authority is assist upon that. If you're there and you it is there [3:06:45, 3:06:53]: They have to pay for that connection to it. The issue is um if you have a acre or more, you you you can be exempt from it. [3:06:53, 3:07:00]: Right, but these s lot certainly not gonna be a acre or more. We know ain't nobody coming here asking for that. [3:07:01, 3:07:21]: W well they they are it's close. It's not it's like one house per one point two four. It's gonna be an acre lot. They're reducing it to instead of having multiple, they want it to be large lot landlots. But how but what is the size of the single family residence? No, it's it's gonna be small. [3:07:21, 3:07:22]: Because it went from [3:07:22, 3:07:27]: They want rule. So that that was their initial plan. [3:07:27, 3:07:33]: was to do it's it's low density residential and if I when I looked on there it was like one point [3:07:33, 3:07:47]: It's one house per one point two acre. So it's like uh uh well, one unit per one point two acre. It's only four units and they divide'em into four lots. So it's four they expect'em to build four houses basically. [3:07:47, 3:08:05]: So that's what I have on it. That's what I've seen. Yeah, they're gonna be nice. I mean they're gonna be single family units, separate, four like four houses. That's what it looks like. No. I'm looking well I wanna double check. Yeah, this it's um [3:08:05, 3:08:07]: It's divided to four. It's one unit. [3:08:08, 3:08:11]: One point two one acres per unit. [3:08:14, 3:08:15]: And it's four units. [3:08:16, 3:08:20]: Doesn't you have to do a million dollars? [3:08:21, 3:08:25]: You can build a T pounds and open out, it can be a huge house. [3:08:25, 3:08:36]: It's four point eight four acres and it's they wanna change it from um to low density residential and they wanted to change the suburban residential it is now. [3:08:37, 3:08:40]: to rural residential. So it's definitely big lots. [3:08:41, 3:08:43]: It's r being changed to rule. [3:08:44, 3:08:45]: Because [3:08:46, 3:08:57]: So I don't object, but I don't want them to be on septic. Yeah. Right. Now that would be concerning. [3:09:02, 3:09:04]: Three. [3:09:07, 3:09:27]: Is excuse me, um, for the sake of time, Mr. Anderson and Mr. Gardner, if we can't get an answer to this portion tonight in regards to the septic issue, um, whether or not and then once we speak to public works, because I could have sworn we talked about this, that if they can connect to uh [3:09:27, 3:09:32]: of sewage, then they would be required to do so. [3:09:32, 3:09:50]: Um and if that is the case, then we need I need us to talk a little bit more to our legal department on that, as well as our um public works director, and then we can take this up during um the next council meeting. [3:09:52, 3:10:12]: Well right now, even though you made that request, they're just trying to find some clarification here. There's got a couple of folks research doing some research and and on the phone to see whether or not uh see what direction we probably need to go and understand your recommendation. But most were drawn by average, so we research it and determine that it doesn't leave and [3:10:12, 3:10:32]: They can move forward without our approval? Really? If we find out that it's they are required to then obviously just be back before you, they'll have to come back and resubmit. I mean technically if if they're covered and they don't have to, we can't need to be pushed them into something. [3:10:31, 3:10:51]: to the process right now right so but we're uh and that's I think that's where where I'm speaking to was through the zone attorney had to report because of the situation but I think he's also talking to the S about like I said I know for a fact that you know this piece came in there are [3:10:51, 3:11:00]: If you remember correctly, it was a portion of Black um falling waters, right? It's part of my village. And the only reason why they got built. [3:11:01, 3:11:04]: when Moral Rivers was first built, the the sewer line didn't support. [3:11:09, 3:11:15]: Yeah, it's I remember me and Michael Harris getting chewed up from the former district commissioner for [3:11:25, 3:11:26]: Uh to go to [3:11:27, 3:11:28]: Um [3:11:30, 3:11:40]: Right now there's no action needed so we'll go back and if there if there is, we'll we'll announce that they're they're having to submit if there [3:11:41, 3:11:50]: Well, this is on our agenda, so the I think the thought th thought process also is do we vote on this or not one way or the other? Or if if not then then's majority case. [3:11:50, 3:11:54]: So in your case, applicant would do what now? The applicant is requested. [3:11:55, 3:11:58]: Okay, so we have to we have to agree to that or we just drop it? [3:11:59, 3:11:59]: Yeah. [3:12:00, 3:12:06]: You could agree to it, but in essence you you're coming back to the same conclusion, which means they're not gonna be hurt. [3:12:07, 3:12:15]: Yeah, but uh he Mr. Anderson just said the attorney t wanted us to vote on the withdrawal. That's why we're having this discussion. [3:12:18, 3:12:19]: I don't understand. [3:12:20, 3:12:23]: You don't have the vote of withdrawal, they just withdraw. [3:12:27, 3:12:31]: Well what d we have a legal opinion on on the our way forward right now? [3:12:34, 3:12:38]: Ms. Turney, do we have a legal opinion on what what we need to do right now in reference since it's on the agenda? [3:12:42, 3:12:45]: I'm sorry. You gotta come to the mic, please. I can't hear you. [3:12:57, 3:13:00]: Anything near I was recommending. [3:13:03, 3:13:03]: Okay. [3:13:06, 3:13:16]: Evening Mayor, Council. My recommendation was to defer this for additional research if there's contention and conflicting information presented for the next meeting. [3:13:17, 3:13:18]: All right. [3:13:19, 3:13:24]: So if you recommend that, that's a deferral for both item twelve and thirteen. [3:13:25, 3:13:26]: If he gives a wallet. [3:13:26, 3:13:36]: All right. And that requires a motion to defer, since they're asking for withdrawal. I'm assuming. Yes. Try to make sure what we do properly here. [3:13:37, 3:13:49]: Mr Gardner, you got some go ahead Mr Gardner. Yeah, just move just move the taking any action off it to next week. It's already been advertised anyway, so just take it to the next meeting. [3:13:49, 3:13:55]: All right, which is Tuesday. Just okay. Well council, I need a motion to defer this till our next meeting, which is [3:13:55, 3:13:57]: Tuesday the seventeenth. [3:13:57, 3:14:02]: So moved. Mr Berry, is there a second? I second. All right, all favor, please indicate. [3:14:03, 3:14:04]: She now's decision on that. [3:14:05, 3:14:11]: That was for the compreh I guess that's c for the comprehensive plan amendment. I just I guess we need to do this for the rezoning piece as well, right? [3:14:12, 3:14:20]: Yes, sir. Okay, let's just do the same thing for resonant, please. So motion to defer until our next meeting, which is December seventeenth. Okay, for Mr. Berry, is there a second? [3:14:20, 3:14:35]: There's second but I it's I think it's in my district. It says council district. One and one and one in council district. Yeah, but the second one says council district two. It's it's really one. Okay. So we just want to make sure we get it right. Okay. All right. [3:14:35, 3:14:37]: So yes, I second. Okay, offer present okay. [3:14:38, 3:14:40]: I was deferred until the 17th. All right, we'll move on. [3:14:41, 3:14:42]: All right, Mr U [3:14:43, 3:14:51]: Gardner, you make sure we get get that back on the seventeen, right? Yes sir. We have a decision on that. Okay, so we'll move all the way down to seventeen. [3:14:51, 3:15:01]: Uh because other items have been deferred. And so the second reading, the adoption of the FY twenty twenty five operating budget operating budget and capital improvement plan. Mr Gardner, on you, sir. [3:15:03, 3:15:04]: Okay. [3:15:05, 3:15:06]: Thank you, man. [3:15:06, 3:15:07]: You're welcome. [3:15:11, 3:15:15]: Is that the one I sent you? Yeah, that's it. Oh crap, I don't think that's it. [3:15:15, 3:15:16]: Oh, that's [3:15:19, 3:15:20]: I think this is the wrong one. [3:15:21, 3:15:22]: This is November. [3:15:22, 3:15:24]: Yeah, so [3:15:40, 3:15:48]: All right, ma'am, council. Um today is the second read of the proposed FY twenty five budget. Um [3:15:49, 3:15:50]: I had a [3:15:51, 3:15:58]: smaller presentation available. Um since we did the in depth one um in November. But probably uh [3:16:00, 3:16:07]: My I think I sent the wrong one to the system, so I apologize for that. This is the one the lengthy version of it, but I will [3:16:08, 3:16:23]: cut through and get to the chase and then ask for questions. But um when we met um back on November twelfth, uh part of the presentation I presented to you guys was where this where the city was actually headed. Um [3:16:25, 3:16:33]: in terms of where we're moving forward or growth. And and these are estimates and as we know, those estimates are impacted by what's going on. And so we're [3:16:33, 3:16:36]: At our retreat back in August I mentioned to you that [3:16:36, 3:16:37]: You know. [3:16:38, 3:16:58]: The way the economic data was reflecting was that we were gonna see some decrease in interest rates. And as you know, the feds have now decreased interest rates twice. Uh so we're no longer in the eight percent range and as interest rates drop for as it relates to long term investment such as housing, what you're gonna see is uh [3:16:58, 3:17:02]: run on houses because obviously those homes are now much more affordable. [3:17:03, 3:17:05]: than they were this time last year. [3:17:05, 3:17:06]: Right. [3:17:06, 3:17:10]: Um and so when we talk about our growth, that growth is gonna happen. [3:17:10, 3:17:18]: Um, because of the amount of units that we've actually approved over the last five years, I think can somewhere in the range of almost five thousand units. [3:17:19, 3:17:39]: Um if you do just general math and times that by about 2.6, 2.7 house persons per household, that kinda adds to what's coming to the city over the next few years when those projects actually start moving forward, which many of them are in the process. Um I illustrated to you guys the growth of the city since 1996. [3:17:38, 3:17:47]: Up until this year. And so you see where the city has grown in some of those areas, even back in 1996. We can see where my cursor is, is Monarch Village. [3:17:48, 3:17:51]: And at the time that was under construction, that had not actually been [3:17:52, 3:17:56]: Homes weren't being sold then. They were starting to sell in nineteen ninety eight. [3:17:57, 3:18:00]: Um when that actually came online. So that was vacant line. [3:18:00, 3:18:02]: And if you remember, I think Mr. [3:18:02, 3:18:06]: Mr Thomas could attest to that used to be the old lion country safari. [3:18:06, 3:18:10]: Um, back in the day. So we had Lion Country Safari in Henry County and [3:18:11, 3:18:21]: Uh I remember when a resident, I think it was the HO president at the time, bought a home in the Monarch Village and was doing some work and dug up a boon and thought it was a human skull. It actually turned out to be a chimpanzee. [3:18:22, 3:18:26]: Right. So kinda give you a history of where we are. And so when you look at two thousand [3:18:27, 3:18:34]: twenty four and where we are, uh in terms of the city's growth. We're literally less than half a mile from the northern tip of [3:18:34, 3:18:35]: The city of McDonald. [3:18:36, 3:18:37]: Right, from Daily Mill Road. [3:18:38, 3:18:42]: to Jodico Road, as how close we are to actually touching the city of McDonough. [3:18:43, 3:18:45]: Um, so we're close in terms of where we've been growing. [3:18:47, 3:19:07]: Uh as we highlighted in our presentation um back in uh November, um some of the priorities that we want to see happening and obviously those with the passage of the SPLOSS, we'll see a lot of these projects moving forward over the next six years um because we are in a six year spLOS, so a lot of road improvements, sidewalks improvements will continue. Um we know [3:19:07, 3:19:18]: it as we increase in population and there's still a lot of land that's gonna be coming into the city. I I remind you that remember you have that Western parallel connector area between [3:19:18, 3:19:20]: Eagles Landing and Jodico. [3:19:21, 3:19:25]: That's coming in the city, that's over three hundred acres of undeveloped raw out. [3:19:25, 3:19:26]: It's [3:19:27, 3:19:39]: Partly in the city, about a hundred acres is still not in the city. But right now that's all raw land and that roadway is under construction. And as you've seen throughout our years living here, if you build a road, guess what's coming next? [3:19:40, 3:19:40]: Development. [3:19:41, 3:19:55]: Right. You don't see trees on on roads, especially this close to the interstate. So you know there's gonna be development and part of what um we're gonna do and talking to Ryan and his group is making sure that we start and we've already opened up conversations with Henry County. [3:19:56, 3:20:01]: Because I don't know how many of you guys remember, back in two thousand and ten there was an L CI study done. [3:20:02, 3:20:03]: In that area. [3:20:03, 3:20:23]: Um nothing happened over these last fourteen years, but we want to go back and revisit that with the county and the ARC to see which portion of that plan we can make um come back to fruition and plan that area ahead of the development coming before you guys. Um we talked about um no increase in our utility rates or our fees. [3:20:23, 3:20:28]: Um no movement in our millage rate. We're still at 3.77 mills. [3:20:28, 3:20:31]: Uh remember that we did have growth in our digest. [3:20:32, 3:20:33]: Of just under six percent. [3:20:34, 3:20:41]: Um, but we also saw growth in our lost because if you guys remember when we got the seven thousand residents in the city. [3:20:42, 3:20:48]: We went back to the county and we got an additional two point something percent increase in our lost [3:20:48, 3:20:53]: So high revenues have grown based on those two factors. And as you know, [3:20:53, 3:20:54]: This year you will see [3:20:54, 3:20:58]: A lot more development coming online, whereas [3:20:58, 3:21:18]: Um in 2025, you know, Whataburg is is still undeveloped land, right? Um the sprout side when they did the assessment is still technically undeveloped, but you'll see those now coming into the tax digest for the city uh in 2025. So a lot of those commercial projects as they come on. [3:21:18, 3:21:26]: online will capture those new projects. And so you'll see growth in the digest there. Some of the special projects we want to continue working on. [3:21:26, 3:21:29]: Um the U Senior Performing Arts and Activity Center. [3:21:30, 3:21:50]: Um that's one of the major projects that's been out there and we want to get that project moving because it's been about four years um since we acquired funding for that, including moving forward on our parks. Um as you know, we were granted through an agreement with the Henry County Water Authority an additional twelve acres of property off of Eagles Land and Parkway for that Southside Park. [3:21:50, 3:21:58]: Want to be able to get moving on that, but also move on doing some additional planning through our parks master plan. Um [3:22:00, 3:22:04]: for the memorial for memorial park. And we we just recently [3:22:04, 3:22:12]: Um was able to close on the property. We got one more portion of that agreement and then I will send that to you guys. But we were able to acquire 443. [3:22:13, 3:22:14]: Uh M L K. [3:22:14, 3:22:22]: Um, and that'll add to the entrance of Memorial Park,'cause most folks, including myself for years, did not know how to get to that park. [3:22:22, 3:22:42]: Um, because you had to go through the neighborhood to get there. So having that access point off of MLK in conjunction with the next thing, which is our trail systems, and you guys have some of you guys have been on the meetings with the Path Foundation and what they're proposing to connect with the system that we're putting in place with the improvements we're putting in place in the Tide Street neighborhood. [3:22:42, 3:23:02]: Um and Memorial Park had that with link between there and down um downtown. So our trail system and now with the fact that we've got this plus, those you see those things going forward. Um North Hendry Pedestrian Bridge, we're actually now talking with G Dot and our feds on that one. Continue water and sewer upgrades and continuing with um [3:23:02, 3:23:05]: maintenance for um facilities. [3:23:13, 3:23:27]: Charles I say I'm gonna skip through, you know, you guys know we've talked about the challenges um at our retreat back in August. We talked a little bit about some of the challenges that are upcoming and and how we're gonna meet those challenges moving forward. [3:23:27, 3:23:41]: Um and those include obviously growth, growth in our continued growth in um what's happening in the police, public works and some of our other um departments to inlign ourselves with what's happening um with the growth in the city. [3:23:43, 3:23:54]: All right. Uh general fund budget as well as our total budget uh balance. Remember that your budget is predicated on what you propose in revenues, not expenses. So you you [3:23:54, 3:23:58]: You are you estimate what your revenues are gonna be and you [3:23:58, 3:24:13]: make your expenses meet those. Uh so revenues and expenses aligned at twenty nine point two million overall to include our SPLOSS and all the other projects, uh 62 million overall funds, uh enterprise funds, which is our water sewer. [3:24:13, 3:24:16]: stormwater infrastructure uh sixty two point one million. [3:24:17, 3:24:18]: And that's not akin. [3:24:18, 3:24:23]: Far away from cities of our size is pretty much in in line with. [3:24:23, 3:24:27]: Um some cities our size and obviously some cities our size have more. [3:24:28, 3:24:29]: So give an example. [3:24:30, 3:24:32]: The city of East Point where I work is the same population. [3:24:33, 3:24:35]: Their budget is almost two million, two hundred million. [3:24:36, 3:24:37]: But that's because they have electric. [3:24:38, 3:24:44]: uh infr they have electric infrastructure and electric utility as well as they still do uh sanitation. [3:24:48, 3:24:57]: And so to take us back a little bit, uh I I wanted to make sure I remember, you know, we started this process back in at the staff level back in May of this year. [3:24:58, 3:24:59]: Where the staff meant. [3:24:59, 3:25:10]: work through with each of the departments to come up with a budget. That budget was sent to you guys back in uh either late July or early um February early August. [3:25:10, 3:25:15]: We did meet at our budget retreat. Um at that retreat, you had each of the departments come through. [3:25:15, 3:25:18]: go over their budget, you guys were able to ask questions. [3:25:18, 3:25:25]: I think one of the key areas that of concern that came up was events. I think they were at eight hundred thousand and now they're down to six hundred and seventy. [3:25:26, 3:25:27]: And as part of that discussion. [3:25:28, 3:25:31]: With the events department, we uh ax for clarity. [3:25:32, 3:25:52]: as it relates to how Evans is gonna book for those three or four concerts that they put on and what type of acts. And I guess you guys remember me talking about grits and jelly beans. I remember that, that group. Right? Grits and jelly butter. G grits excuse me, grits and jelly butter. I keep keep forgetting. Um [3:25:52, 3:26:02]: But you know, remember reminding that you know, those are the type of acts that that we wanna get in those cover bands versus paying the high costs and be able to bring that budget down. Uh [3:26:03, 3:26:04]: And so we had to first read [3:26:05, 3:26:17]: Obviously after that meeting, uh we had the first read uh back on November twelfth and today we have the second read and if it's clear on the adoption thereof and other than I got some questions. [3:26:31, 3:26:51]: I did get some questions. Thanks you, Count Councilmember Thomas, as promised. Um, you did send me your list of questions and we will incorporate these as part of the appendix in the budget. So you when we've when it's adopted, we'll put it in the back so folks can go through and see what questions to were asked. Um, but we were able to effort m all of your questions. I did send the email this afternoon. [3:26:51, 3:27:08]: after you sent it to us, but I also have a printout for you as well. So um if you have any further questions from there, um we'll be able to answer those as well moving forward. Uh and so with that, you know, like I said, we wasn't gonna go into the weeds. Obviously we've been in this process for the last eight months. [3:27:08, 3:27:16]: Um since May. But if there are any additional questions, obviously we're here to to answer those questions as best we can. And if we have to. [3:27:16, 3:27:17]: Um [3:27:18, 3:27:24]: And if it's, you know, the will of the council will move forward with adoption that's fine. If not, we do have our meeting next week. [3:27:24, 3:27:27]: And we'll try to get those questions and concerns answered. [3:27:27, 3:27:34]: uh make any changes necessary and have it back on the agenda for next week. But we're required by law to have two public hearings. [3:27:34, 3:27:37]: Uh we had one in November, this one and then the adoption. [3:27:37, 3:27:40]: Um that adoption could be at this meeting by law. [3:27:40, 3:27:42]: Um or [3:27:42, 3:27:47]: I think we were used to doing the process of another meeting, but it's actually not required by law to do so. [3:27:48, 3:27:53]: Um, I'm gonna stop because obviously you guys have disinformation, so [3:27:53, 3:28:02]: Um, with that I'm willing to take any questions you may have and we will post all of these presentations online so the citizens can see them under the FY twenty five budget. [3:28:03, 3:28:10]: Councilman questions that she have for Mr. Gardner right now. This is a public hearing, so I gotta open that up as well. But I'll wait and see what kind of questions the council have right now. [3:28:11, 3:28:14]: I think there are a couple of things that I want to ask about this. [3:28:20, 3:28:40]: In addition, uh you've done the budget here, but there was a couple of questions that I had about some items uh that might be of interest to the council in addition to what you have done here. Um in terms of I don't know whether we might s pursue some additional funding and grants or other [3:28:40, 3:28:47]: uh type of assistance but uh if we wanted to have some type of um [3:28:49, 3:29:09]: housing assistance money for someone uh you know we have a lot of challenges in the area that we would be able to provide some type of uh assistance to individuals who were in distress or some uh additional funding that we might be able to provide to uh [3:29:09, 3:29:24]: actually help homeowners become first-time buyers or be able to purchase a home. Those type of uh developments or that type of funding and where we might actually be able to secure that. [3:29:24, 3:29:27]: Yes. So Henry County [3:29:27, 3:29:32]: А за муніципаліті мін Сит Сток, а за муніципалі і Хенри Коті. [3:29:32, 3:29:52]: If you are low to moderate income and you can meet all the requirements, they actually provide first time home buyer assistance for either closing costs, um, or down payment assistance um for homeowners uh to qualify from. And the county get that, that's through the C D B G program um to allow for them to be able to get those. [3:29:52, 3:30:12]: So they can contact the Henry County Community Development Department and they will work with them to facilitate them getting to um being able to acquire those those funds for first-time home buyers as as part of that program. Well I certainly was aware of that. I just, you know, I didn't know whether that covered the cities or not. [3:30:12, 3:30:31]: Normally that covers only uncor unincorporated. So do we have to do something to act upon that? Or is just the whole citizen would go, apply for the funding, and then they would be available to them in the city limits. That is correct. So C D B G, and just to let you know, most of your qualified [3:30:31, 3:30:33]: Areas for [3:30:33, 3:30:44]: Um, will probably be those homes within the cities because if you try to find a home that's affordable for a person in the load and mortar income range, you're not gonna find them out in Kellytown. [3:30:44, 3:30:45]: That ain't gonna happen. [3:30:46, 3:31:06]: Um so most of your municipalities is where you're gonna see those assistance go, whether it's Hampton, McDonough, or Locus Grove or here. I saw them do the presentation. I didn't know it applied to the cities though. It does. And the rate, the affordable now goes up to two hundred and sixty. [3:31:05, 3:31:25]: 75,000. I'm not exactly sure how affordable that is, but certainly it should be to help someone to a cute secure house. And also, we were just at the Eagles Landing Dance Academy, and we certainly understand the effectiveness of the business assistance program, right, May? [3:31:25, 3:31:45]: We were there for that. Absolutely we were there. Right. So we want to be able to s what do we do to uh I know we took some of those out of ARPA and stuff like that. So how do we uh implement or keep supporting local businesses, especially in the downtown area, to be able to bring them in with some of that business assistance or bricks? [3:31:45, 3:31:51]: program that we have. What do what do we do to re f w to replenish those funds that have been depleted? [3:31:51, 3:32:05]: So as it relates to we did use ARPA for a major portion of that the the a business assistance program um under uh Mr. Alance when he was here. Um we did have a small portion of that that we funded through the [3:32:06, 3:32:07]: Um city. [3:32:07, 3:32:27]: Um, as part of the economic development side, I will tell you that they'll we we have our DDA in the downtown area that can do a little bit more. We've talked somewhat about what they can bring in terms of the monies that they've gotten already. And then how do we leverage them to get funding through the State Department of Community Affairs and Economics? [3:32:27, 3:32:47]: Economic development. Um, I think Ms. Um Mr. Jarrell comes with that unique skill in being able to bring that to bear. You know, so far we've gotten 500,000 through the DDRLF program for one business downtown. Um, that's not a is not a cap on how many businesses in our downtown area can get that. As we get new business. [3:32:47, 3:32:48]: This is in [3:32:48, 3:33:05]: we can actually make those applications through the DDA. It's a pass-through through the city to the D from DCA through the city to the DDA to those entities to make those happen. So the it's just taking advantage of some of the existing resources that out here because as a city [3:33:06, 3:33:26]: Stockwridge has not really taken advantage of a lot of the state funding programs. And so we want to make sure that we actively get involved in doing that. As you know, you know, part of what we have now with the TAD is going to be a big deal. And one of the things that we can use some of those fundings for. [3:33:26, 3:33:40]: as we start to get development down here and increase that value is down payment assistance to allow for affordability, right? That's one of the things we can. Business assistance. The city of Atlanta does that all the time through Invest Atlanta. [3:33:40, 3:34:00]: Right. They take those TAD funds and they roll those TAD funds in and they leverage those TAD funds uh in some areas. So some of the same um methods we can take advantage of, and I think we should. I think now we're in a process where we can start doing that as we have development come online here. So yeah, we'll continue to to leverage. [3:34:00, 3:34:03]: Um, [3:34:03, 3:34:22]: You know, I think we have some monies in the budget with as it relates to the D DA again. I think they're over two hundred thousand dollars pretty much with funding coming this year on what they can do to assist with providing some of those programs. So you're not wholly putting it on the city, but allowing the D D A to take some some of that punch as well. [3:34:22, 3:34:42]: Absolutely. So you and our new economic development director will be at the meeting tomorrow night so we can hit the ground running on that'cause I think we hit a a stopping block when we lost our other executive uh economic development director'cause we need to hit the road. Well, we certainly well I mean you already [3:34:42, 3:35:01]: And somebody have to do a lot. You are very busy and somebody gotta do the leg work. So you gotta point man to actually do the work on the opportunity zone. Right. Opportunity zone, opportunity zone, opportunity zone. Yep, we're working on that as well. And if you guys don't know, the opportunity zone is dup job tax credits. [3:35:01, 3:35:04]: So if you create a new job and hold that job for a year. [3:35:04, 3:35:09]: Each business per employee could get up to thirty two thousand dollars per employee. [3:35:10, 3:35:14]: That they don't have to pay to the state, they can use those money to push back into their business. [3:35:15, 3:35:35]: to either increase advertising or do in increase business activity, but they don't have to pay that money and income tax towards the state for those employees. So that's a huge that's a huge win. And we're working on that application we may remain again with the state. We've got the application probably halfway done. GIS is working to put the maps together so we can [3:35:35, 3:35:38]: we could determine where the designated area is and we think we'll downtown is gonna be in that loop. [3:35:39, 3:35:59]: So we know businesses seek out that designation and it'll uh uh put pinpoint where we need to uh go there. And then finally, it may be seemed to be trivial, okay, but I can't tell you how many compliments that we've gotten on the Christmas decorations or holiday decorations. [3:35:59, 3:36:19]: At Eagles Landing at the monument there and even in downtown. I think the desire was for us to continue to move forward with that. I think Walt Stevens was supposed to be coming up. Certainly I would like to see Jodico put on the list and some other areas. And as we're talking about it, it can't just be taught. [3:36:19, 3:36:39]: It's gotta be funded. So in order for it to be funded, it has to go in the budget. So I like to see what we can do about expanding that program because man, I tell you, that thing has gone viral with so many people talking about all the Christmas lights, all the holiday lights that we have. And I like to say Christmas, I'm sorry, it's me. [3:36:39, 3:36:59]: Me, uh, my personal opinion, is that people love to see that. It's brought so much joy. And if we could find a few extra dollars in the budget to be able to expand that, especially uh in Jodico, where we have uh, which will probably soon be our number one commercial area with the businesses that we attract in there. So [3:36:59, 3:37:10]: So whatever we can do to crunch some numbers to find a few extra dollars for a tree or some lights, especially at this holiday season, that would be great. And that concludes my comments. [3:37:10, 3:37:20]: Diddle. Uh well and real quick, and I know there was some some stuff sent on on social media about the trees at the [3:37:20, 3:37:21]: Uh the tower. [3:37:22, 3:37:30]: Um,'cause I actually got the email from I got a text from Henry County Chief of Police that said, Hey, your lights are not working. [3:37:30, 3:37:33]: Um literally what it was the lights are working. [3:37:34, 3:37:37]: I said I want everybody to know there was nothing wrong with the tree. The issue was [3:37:37, 3:37:41]: We were using up all of the plugs in the towel. [3:37:41, 3:37:44]: to light it and the homeless folks were coming and unplugging'em. [3:37:46, 3:38:06]: So that's was the issue. And so what we did was just pretty much reduce the usage of the outlets to four and allow for them to plug in whether they're plugging in small heaters when they're out there late at night or whatever, or whatever they're plugging in, um, we wa we allow for those we give them eight. [3:38:06, 3:38:07]: Of the eight. [3:38:07, 3:38:10]: Um, sockets there, we freed up four of'em. [3:38:11, 3:38:31]: Uh but that's what that's what the issue was. So if you guys got those text messages or saw those complaints, the lights, all of the lights on all of the the trees, the um the wreaths and all of the little associated accessories, they all work. It will be put up. I never saw that. All I saw was a lot of compliments. [3:38:31, 3:38:41]: About how to love it. So you know. We take we make sure that that's that's known that it wasn't that we were putting up faulty stuff. It was the homeless folks unplugging it. [3:38:43, 3:39:03]: All the good ideas and in reference to assisting and the citizens in the c uh community, some of those things can you yeah, can they be posted on our website informational to help our folks? In terms of of you know you're talking about links from Henry from Henry County to those. [3:39:03, 3:39:23]: tag into them and of course obviously you'll be working with the DDA along with the Cosmo and Alexander, things that nature as well. But uh just thinking about the information needs to be out there so they can look at it, see it, and make some actions, make some moves here. Um this is our second reading. So I I thought that uh we had to do uh three readings which [3:39:23, 3:39:30]: This is be December seventeenth, I would think. Uh next week. I'm sorry. Ms. Barber has a question. All right, Miss Barber, go ahead, please. [3:39:32, 3:39:37]: Mr. Gardner, I don't see any funding proposed for land acquisitions. [3:39:39, 3:39:40]: Since boss. [3:39:40, 3:39:41]: Uh uh. [3:39:41, 3:39:43]: Is there a reason why not? [3:39:43, 3:39:45]: No ma'am. Um [3:39:45, 3:39:54]: Uh uh no no line has been identified by council for us to purchase. I think since I've been here, I think the only one we purchase has been [3:39:55, 3:40:03]: the one we did recently. Um so that's not a you know, if if we have to, we obviously we'll have to look for funding if that comes about. But [3:40:04, 3:40:21]: you know, in our discussions and stuff for the retreat that never came up about land land purchase. There have been references to our visit to Sandy Springs. Um and we talked about how they were able to redevelop their downtown area. And that was one of the things that they did. [3:40:22, 3:40:38]: Correct that they can control correct zoning and developments in the area. Correct. I like to see us add a budget for land acquisitions here. And I will say, um council coun councilmember Barber. [3:40:39, 3:40:50]: Unlike Sandy Springs, we've actually owned a lot of our properties around here. I mean, the the the prime ones that we want for development, the three-acre site right behind you guys. [3:40:50, 3:41:02]: you know, maximizing the existing parking lot and subsidizing those parkings to a parking deck versus that all surface parking and capitalizing on that. Um the fifteen acre site here. [3:41:02, 3:41:07]: The we owned between Fletcher's and I forget the [3:41:07, 3:41:10]: The other building on the far end next to Love Street and Burke Street. [3:41:10, 3:41:13]: That vacant track in there, remember, we actually own those. [3:41:14, 3:41:29]: Um, we're at a parking lot where we just redid and restriped the parking lot. So all of that is up for future development. So unlike for Sandy Springs, I mean, we're we're kinda in the catbird seat to some degree to to get development. And and I will tell you, and I you guys heard me mention this. [3:41:30, 3:41:31]: If we get [3:41:32, 3:41:34]: The three acer site down here develop. [3:41:35, 3:41:43]: The amount of synergy that that's gonna put on the whole downtown area is gonna be key in terms of especially our tracks on the other side of Burke. [3:41:43, 3:41:45]: Um wood'll help that too. [3:41:45, 3:41:54]: is if we put in our activity, the youth performing art, whatever one the council puts in there right now, we've got the performing arts, cultural performing arts going in there. [3:41:54, 3:41:59]: You know, that's gonna be a huge thing and especially we're able to leverage that with the [3:41:59, 3:42:02]: Uton senior is one one project. [3:42:02, 3:42:07]: Because if you think about it right now, the number one thing that's missing downtown is people. [3:42:08, 3:42:10]: Рай, вига фізнес. [3:42:10, 3:42:11]: But [3:42:11, 3:42:13]: The key is as we start to develop. [3:42:14, 3:42:17]: And you have that activity center there, reg if it's boat or one. [3:42:18, 3:42:27]: Right. When they're in use, people are gonna come out, especially if you got something where kids are moving about. So now you've got potential for smoothie sharp, ice cream sharp. [3:42:27, 3:42:28]: You know [3:42:28, 3:42:33]: Those type of of re small ref restaurant type activities in the downtown area. [3:42:33, 3:42:34]: Um [3:42:34, 3:42:44]: You know, that's where we get our friends from Carver and the rest of these guys that we've been talking to, right? As soon as we bring them here, the first thing they do is they want to look out there, right?'Cause that's where the activity is. [3:42:45, 3:42:48]: But as soon as you start see building coming here, guess what's gonna happen? [3:42:48, 3:43:08]: Those same entities or similar entities gonna wanna come downtown. And especially if you can prove to them that the foot traffic is there. Um, that's gonna be the key to get that going. So yeah, we we're kinda in a different situation where we've got some land ripe for development, for private development. So you'll see that happening. I I'd much rather for us to control it all so that we don't get [3:43:08, 3:43:13]: I'd much rather for us to control it all. Yes. So that we don't get [3:43:15, 3:43:24]: Purchases such as package stores, such as oh oh no storage facilities. No. Those kinds of things that are already zoned. [3:43:25, 3:43:33]: I want us to be able to control it. And the only way we can control it is if we own it. There are still some areas along North Henry. [3:43:34, 3:43:44]: There may be opportunities and I just want us to and ready. Oh well. So thank you, sir. You're welcome. [3:43:46, 3:43:47]: They didn't do that for space. [3:43:48, 3:44:08]: This is supposed to be a public hearing as well, so let me open that up. Uh comments uh for the uh the budget uh thus far, any positive comments? Anybody from my far left side? Anyone in the middle, my far right side? Any negative comments in reference to the public hearing, pub public uh budget for twenty [3:44:08, 3:44:17]: 2025, the far left side, thing in the middle, and for the right. Okay. No comments one way or the other, so I'll close that portion out. Um [3:44:18, 3:44:38]: This is uh earlier in the conversation um Mr. Gardner you're talking about uh requirement is two potentially three, I guess I was thinking three uh actual bubble hearings and uh and adopted at the end of the third one. Um unless that's up to desire of the of the council to to do this tonight. I know there's some questions here that you answer. I don't know if we need to. [3:44:38, 3:44:46]: I still have um I still owe Mr. Thomas um one one answer. I think I still owe him one. Okay. Um [3:44:47, 3:44:54]: And yep. That's the one with the job descriptions and stuff. So I still owe him that to get that to to you guys. So [3:44:54, 3:45:14]: Staff started working on that this afternoon. So obviously we couldn't get all of that done today. Um so if he if if he wants, we can We can have the we can have the uh final reading and adoption on the seventeenth. [3:45:15, 3:45:16]: Mr. Go ahead please. [3:45:17, 3:45:37]: Well, Mr. Garden, I do appreciate you responding. Um I may not agree with all of the answers. Uh I think a lot of some of this is in the control of the councils for some decisions of you know policies and procedures of [3:45:37, 3:45:50]: approvement of job description, et cetera, et cetera. I I think that's in the in the wheelhouse of the council. So I disagree with some of your answers, but tonight is not tonight. [3:45:51, 3:45:52]: Um [3:45:52, 3:45:57]: One thing I do wanna mention and I know Councilman Alexander and I had this issue. [3:45:58, 3:46:01]: uh discussion and you mentioned it tonight too. [3:46:02, 3:46:18]: about the youth and senior, about the uh performing arts, and I think um some of us do agree that it need to be separated because you know when we start talking capacity [3:46:19, 3:46:22]: And we see issues that we have now. [3:46:23, 3:46:26]: uh with capacity [3:46:27, 3:46:29]: in some of our venues right now. [3:46:30, 3:46:32]: That's right. [3:46:33, 3:46:35]: I don't wanna rush through [3:46:36, 3:46:40]: And I do understand about uh approving a budget. [3:46:42, 3:46:44]: And I just want to say this to the council. [3:46:45, 3:46:48]: If you go into twenty twenty five [3:46:49, 3:46:50]: Without [3:46:51, 3:46:54]: An approved budget. [3:46:55, 3:47:00]: It just carries over to what it was in twenty twenty four. It's not the end of the world. [3:47:01, 3:47:02]: But what I'm saying is [3:47:03, 3:47:04]: I want to get it right. [3:47:05, 3:47:15]: When we talked about code enforcement, public safety, um, public works, [3:47:15, 3:47:18]: See those things are very important. [3:47:18, 3:47:20]: And we have to get it right. [3:47:21, 3:47:23]: And I don't want to gloss over [3:47:24, 3:47:25]: these issues because [3:47:26, 3:47:28]: The proof of the puddin is what you do. [3:47:29, 3:47:31]: And I've seen [3:47:31, 3:47:34]: What is happening, especially with code enforcement. [3:47:35, 3:47:37]: Unless [3:47:38, 3:47:40]: Something is gonna change. [3:47:41, 3:47:46]: As far as the way it is managed and the way staff is going out. [3:47:47, 3:47:49]: then it's it's the same. [3:47:50, 3:47:51]: So [3:47:52, 3:47:54]: I want to continue the conversations. [3:47:55, 3:47:59]: And and what sorta disturbed me somewhat too is [3:47:59, 3:48:01]: And as you all know in the council know. [3:48:02, 3:48:04]: Did I respond to the budget every year? [3:48:05, 3:48:13]: And I know we have our treasure back, and I would love for for him to come up and just say some words, but this is the framework. [3:48:15, 3:48:30]: of how we run the operations of the city. And I and I don't take this lightly. And I think we have to get it right. Then if it's not right, we come back and we make the amendments and make the changes to get it right. [3:48:31, 3:48:33]: Oh this whole process of this budget. [3:48:34, 3:48:35]: And how we [3:48:36, 3:48:37]: ефективні [3:48:38, 3:48:40]: А не фішенли [3:48:40, 3:48:42]: Runs this city. [3:48:42, 3:48:44]: It's very important to me. [3:48:44, 3:48:49]: And sometime I think we just sort of just gloss over this process. [3:48:49, 3:48:52]: And I tell citizen all the time. [3:48:52, 3:48:54]: When we have two readings or three [3:48:55, 3:48:57]: And none of you come up here, citizens. [3:48:58, 3:48:58]: So [3:48:59, 3:49:00]: Don't come later. [3:49:01, 3:49:02]: After the fact. [3:49:04, 3:49:07]: You have your opportunity to come in now. [3:49:08, 3:49:11]: to speak to that, but but I'm speaking to my counsel. [3:49:11, 3:49:13]: Let's not gloss over this process. [3:49:14, 3:49:23]: This is the framework. And that we and we we talked to these gentlemen earlier about the future and where we're trying to go. [3:49:24, 3:49:26]: Діс фреймворк, дис документ. [3:49:27, 3:49:28]: It is about the future. [3:49:29, 3:49:31]: And we have to get it right. [3:49:32, 3:49:35]: So we're going to be effective and efficient. [3:49:36, 3:49:37]: Every day [3:49:38, 3:49:43]: Of staff carrying out the vision and goals. [3:49:43, 3:49:45]: We have to get it right. [3:49:45, 3:49:49]: And staff have to understand when they come to work [3:49:50, 3:50:02]: their mission. And you know, you know, I'm a football player, I know you're an athlete. And we sort of see now, you know, how these teams are sort of failing, some are successful. [3:50:03, 3:50:05]: And it's all because [3:50:05, 3:50:18]: You have different folks that take their job a little bit more seriously and they prepare and they work hard and therefore they are successful. Some teams are successful every year. [3:50:18, 3:50:21]: And some are not Latin Falcons. [3:50:23, 3:50:42]: But uh you gotta leave the Falcon saloon, sir. Okay. I love my Falcons, but I'm telling you. It's tough. They they beat you up and let you down. It's tough. But my point is I and I just don't want us to take this process lightly. Understood. And and I don't have a problem with [3:50:42, 3:50:44]: Agreeing to disagree. [3:50:44, 3:50:48]: 'Cause the bottom line is let's just get it right. That's true. [3:50:48, 3:50:51]: And and staff, let's understand. [3:50:51, 3:50:55]: That when we create the vision and the mission. [3:50:55, 3:50:57]: It's a collaborative effort. [3:50:58, 3:51:06]: And at the end of the day, whatever that is, let's go out and try to be successful at it. And then and it's nothing wrong with coming back. [3:51:07, 3:51:11]: to make adjustments and amendment to that. Correct. [3:51:11, 3:51:17]: But I don't wanna just sit up here and nobody says nothing. Understood. And that's why sometimes [3:51:17, 3:51:19]: I will say something sometime I don't. [3:51:20, 3:51:28]: But I I want I want my councilmates to hey, let's get into this framework. Say something, ask some questions. [3:51:29, 3:51:30]: Let's get it right. [3:51:31, 3:51:35]: I don't want us two and three months down the road complaining. [3:51:36, 3:51:37]: About something. [3:51:38, 3:51:48]: When the time is now we're in that cycle. We go have these retreats. We come and have three readings. We have opportunity to call you up, send you an email. [3:51:48, 3:51:50]: So I'm just saying. [3:51:50, 3:51:51]: You know. [3:51:52, 3:51:53]: Let's do [3:51:54, 3:51:57]: What the citizens elected us to do. [3:51:58, 3:52:01]: And take our responsibility a little bit more seriously. [3:52:02, 3:52:03]: And yet do the job. [3:52:04, 3:52:22]: So that that's all I have to say. So you'll hear more from me. As I mentioned, I have some other, but you know, we get caught up and I know we got a time frame and I don't want to bombard you with all that at the very last minute. Understood. But I do have other concerns and questions. [3:52:23, 3:52:25]: But I don't want to be the only one [3:52:27, 3:52:28]: Asking questions. [3:52:28, 3:52:30]: Making recommendations. [3:52:31, 3:52:48]: Yes, sir. And and and Mr. Thomas and and thank you, right? Um, you know, we always say your your any budget is is not the Bible and or the Constitution, right? Those are usually hard fast documents that we don't change. [3:52:48, 3:53:08]: Right. We know that the budget is fluid because as we talk about the economic impacts, things that are coming out of the blue that you don't see and you have to make you know, you have to look at things um from that standpoint. I I will say thank you to council. Um and when we talk about the team and the effort, when we sat down and we went through the strategic planning. [3:53:08, 3:53:28]: process um la uh a few years ago. Um and we're looking at that now and saying, hey, okay, what are we being doing? Because one of the things I w really want to get to is, you know, when we get to that first retreat and then to that budget retreat, that we're looking at stuff strategically as it relates to that vision. [3:53:28, 3:53:33]: Right. We have a twenty-year vision under the comprehensive plan. That's a twenty-year document. [3:53:34, 3:53:37]: But guess what happens in twenty years? Twenty years ago [3:53:37, 3:53:39]: It was two thousand and four. [3:53:39, 3:53:41]: What happened in two thousand and eight? [3:53:42, 3:53:43]: Two thousand and ten. [3:53:44, 3:53:49]: Impacted that back half of that vision, right? Because we went into a recession. [3:53:50, 3:53:53]: People lost their jobs, their houses, their business. [3:53:53, 3:53:54]: Right. [3:53:54, 3:53:56]: And so what that plan envisioned. [3:53:57, 3:54:00]: Had to come had to come back and change because [3:54:00, 3:54:11]: In two thousand four when that was done, it never envisioned that that economic impact. So yes. So but let me just say this also, but one thing I've learned over the years [3:54:12, 3:54:14]: When you look at the goalposts. [3:54:16, 3:54:18]: The goalpost is not stationary. [3:54:20, 3:54:24]: Every time you turn your head and you look back at the goalpost. [3:54:24, 3:54:27]: The goalpost has moved. [3:54:28, 3:54:32]: So we have to move with that. We have to adjust every day. [3:54:32, 3:54:34]: In order to do that. [3:54:34, 3:54:41]: But we have to be about doing that. Yes, sir. And so if you don't mind, uh [3:54:41, 3:54:46]: My treasurer back there. I I came to see him one day but he was busy, so [3:54:46, 3:54:49]: Uh and ten and the reason I say this because [3:54:50, 3:54:52]: Whatever this council approved. [3:54:54, 3:54:56]: Staff has to carry that out. [3:54:56, 3:54:58]: And that's why it's important. [3:54:59, 3:55:03]: For our children, he just been here a week or so. [3:55:04, 3:55:10]: But you know, you have to hit the ground running. And seeing just like we mentioned to those gentlemen that was here earlier. [3:55:10, 3:55:15]: And I know some of us that been here for a while, we put a lot of work in [3:55:16, 3:55:32]: The land use planning, the strategic planning. Over these last ten years, you know, we have put a lot of work into that to try to create when you look at the land use, you see all these different colors. Yeah, of course some of that is gonna change, yes. [3:55:33, 3:55:35]: But it's important. [3:55:35, 3:55:38]: For us to do that because this is the framework. [3:55:39, 3:55:41]: that we're doing and so when we designate [3:55:42, 3:55:49]: the whole city when we designate the land use, we put a lot into that based on a vision. [3:55:49, 3:55:54]: Now yeah, that does change. But what gets me sometime when [3:55:54, 3:55:58]: We come up here every month and we're changing. [3:55:59, 3:56:03]: You know, uh is it necessary? But and maybe so. [3:56:04, 3:56:06]: And that's when I asked uh Mr. Anderson here. [3:56:06, 3:56:09]: So when are we going to look back at [3:56:10, 3:56:11]: The the document [3:56:12, 3:56:32]: To try to make changes based on the future of what we think is the future, what we project. But no one else ever crystal ball. We don't know what tomorrow is gonna be. Yes. But we have to do the best we can. Yes. But anyway, I know it's late and tonight is Monday night football. But uh our treasurer. I just want him just to [3:56:32, 3:56:37]: You know, because we're going to come let me just say this,'cause we're going to hold him accountable. [3:56:38, 3:56:40]: To carry out some of this stuff. [3:56:42, 3:56:44]: And so I just want him to get to accustom [3:56:46, 3:56:48]: Mr. Garney, so [3:56:48, 3:57:00]: I know you're in the line of fire all the time, Mr. Garner. So I just want him to get used to being in the line of fire. Yes, sir. Because uh, you know, when you come. [3:57:00, 3:57:10]: It's it's the nature of the beast. Yes sir. Because hey, cause we're about trying to get this thing right. And that's why we're the envy. We're the envy of George Stockbridge. [3:57:11, 3:57:14]: We're the envy because of what? Because we work. [3:57:15, 3:57:18]: These folks up here we're dedicated to get it done. [3:57:18, 3:57:22]: So when we you know we got a new uh teammate. [3:57:23, 3:57:29]: So get in the line of fire and uh you know, my grandmama say, step up, be a man, take your little spanking. [3:57:30, 3:57:50]: Go here, sir. So the budget is a promise that you are promising the citizen this is what we are going to do. Strategic planning is the one that you make in 20 years, as he has said, in 20 years, 10 years. But in local government, that 10 years is done yearly. [3:57:50, 3:58:06]: And even you say five years capital project is not done five years, you see you adjust year after year, because we can only fund one year. So this is a promise. But you are having a living document. [3:58:06, 3:58:26]: What you have approved, you are approving today, or you are going to approve it, adopt it on the seventeenth, we have budget amendments. Amendments are done, you have more revenues as you projected, you have to make amendments. Or expenses are more than revenue, you have to make amendments. [3:58:26, 3:58:35]: Things that you have done or that we planned from August, went to the retreat up to now may change in two years, three years. [3:58:35, 3:58:38]: А пріоритети з меч. [3:58:38, 3:58:41]: So what we may not do. [3:58:42, 3:58:47]: On the seventeenth when I adopt the budget, we can always do that in January, February until. [3:58:47, 3:59:07]: Remember it's an ongoing. We finish as we are with it. We will start another budget for 2026. So planning is the most important thing and that is to be accomplished with the promise that you make through the budget. This is what we are going to do for you the citizen. [3:59:12, 3:59:13]: The one you may have loves walk you. [3:59:15, 3:59:16]: Thank you, sir. [3:59:16, 3:59:18]: Miss Ms. Gett. [3:59:18, 3:59:26]: Thank you. Um in regards to the I saw some of the questions that Councilman Thomas had and that they're your response. Uh [3:59:26, 3:59:32]: I'd would like to take under advisement what our new financial director. [3:59:32, 3:59:52]: opinion is of open.gov and and whether or not it reads with our ENCODE system and all the other platform stuff and and the pros and cons of that. And so I I would, you know, after and the reason I say that is because um um I can't discuss executive session, but w we [3:59:52, 4:00:12]: Did an interview process. We talked a little bit more so about different platforms and the challenges of different platforms. So I will like to take his advisement on whether or not that is something that's gonna be beneficial to us or whether or not it could it gives us a headache. And that's something I'm just pointing out based off [4:00:12, 4:00:22]: off of what I read and some of the questions that Councilman Thomas um had produced. Also in regards to um [4:00:24, 4:00:40]: The budget there I look forward to hearing more about the n, you know, the the name changes of different positions and titles. Um that is something that definitely I'm looking into more. So um [4:00:40, 4:00:48]: And and so I'm gonna add I I too would like to know detailed information in that regard. And [4:00:49, 4:00:54]: Um we mention and talk Councilman Alexander, even though it's not really [4:00:55, 4:01:04]: A part of the budget, and we talked about grants. Um, and this is just some information for mayor and council to discuss and think about in the future as well. [4:01:04, 4:01:12]: Um what I'm seeing and what I'm gonna suggest, and it really doesn't have anything to do with the budget, but we talked about this already. It sounds like [4:01:13, 4:01:13]: Um [4:01:14, 4:01:34]: We need to maybe get with Miss Valerie Ross a little bit more and get our codes, our get everything all the way up to date instead of having all those e extra conditions and some other things that we might need to take into consideration. I'm thinking that that that is something that we need to [4:01:34, 4:01:54]: um go into detail with. And I think she can also give us some better ideas of whether we do a study on how many storage facilities we need, how many this we need, and so that we can have a better picture of the needs of our community in the future. And we can both [4:01:54, 4:01:55]: budget accordingly. [4:01:56, 4:02:16]: Um, not just on a comprehensive plan scale, but just like we want to we do studies of shopping centers and everything else, I think that it'd be feasible for us to see what those kind of so not so desirables would be and where the perfect locations for them would be. Um [4:02:16, 4:02:36]: in general and what they should look like. And from my understanding, um in the real estate world, Valerie Ross is a woman to be able to do that and put a packet together for us for that. So those challenges that we have and the long-winded the conversations that we have up here, we can streamline and make real nice and neat. And I think we should utilize her a little bit more for [4:02:36, 4:02:48]: for that purpose. And and lastly, um we also need and so that's something that I would like for us to think about and include. [4:02:48, 4:02:53]: um in our budget. And I also would like to see um [4:02:53, 4:03:08]: uh you know, we deal with legal a lot. I would like to see uh itemization on that, if you can bring that to m and show me their billing for this year monthly. Um and I do [4:03:14, 4:03:19]: It was one more and I can't find it. Um [4:03:20, 4:03:27]: As of now, I th I think that's it. But I really want to take into account I know you're new. [4:03:27, 4:03:27]: Um [4:03:28, 4:03:30]: But I I want to take into account [4:03:31, 4:03:32]: Um [4:03:32, 4:03:41]: our financial director position on that, on on where we're headed with this and and what we can do to streamline. And that's it. [4:03:42, 4:03:43]: Mr. Alzheimer's going, please. [4:03:44, 4:04:04]: Yes, I I wanted to just add uh briefly, ms Councilman Thomas and I certainly have had a discussion that needs to be reflected in the budget about the code enforcement actually moving away from the police department to um community development or its own [4:04:04, 4:04:19]: department such as because you know effectiveness is everything and effectiveness to us means results and those results need to be the community development approves the project. [4:04:20, 4:04:40]: The code enforcement goes out to check to see whether or not they those processes have been adhered to. They interpret the code and whether the person works directly for them. There needs to be better coordination between the two. And right now we just understand the police department should be focused on [4:04:40, 4:05:00]: Crime. They should be focused on crime and they should be focused on uh you know, making sure that they are maximizing those opportunities. And I don't know, it's just been in my past that they they don't look at these violations as saying they're looking for criminal violations. [4:04:59, 4:05:05]: [14705.0, 14725.0]: I am in full support of moving the code enforcement to uh community development or another or their own several department with a director or a senior person who is over that department and that they are to go to the field, not just sit in the office. [4:05:25, 4:05:35]: they work in the field and that they report on results that they are rech achieving because again and again similar items keep being repeated. [4:05:36, 4:05:49]: And just not receiving the results that I would like to see uh on that side. So I certainly want to see um something change uh into that effect. Um also see. [4:05:55, 4:05:59]: I understand in the last couple of years, especially with the election that we saw. [4:05:59, 4:06:19]: Inflation has been a big topic. It's gonna cost more money. So certainly we'd have to look at what we're doing in terms of making sure that we're being as expensive responsible as possible with the dollars that we have. But fortunately for us, we've seen a lot of economic growth that's been able to grow the pie. [4:06:19, 4:06:39]: So we've been able to keep up with a lot of the growths that have been taking place. But um let us make sure that we're focused on uh maximizing uh in each department uh everything that uh that we can and ensuring that we're getting maximum productivity while balance. [4:06:39, 4:06:59]: Seeing. I see that we have a four percent increase, right, for us uh our employees because we do understand that inflation is very relevant in what we're doing. And certainly we did set the minimum wage at fifteen dollars an hour. And I think we might even have to revisit that at some point. [4:06:59, 4:07:09]: because what has really happened is these costs have really gone up and we want to make sure that we're doing everything possible to be a an attractive uh [4:07:10, 4:07:13]: employer uh in the community. Thank you. [4:07:13, 4:07:15]: All right, any other comments? Quite Ms. Bloodman? [4:07:17, 4:07:22]: Mr. Gardner. Yes sir. Um so the events budget. Yes, ma'am. [4:07:23, 4:07:40]: I like to see that reduced even more. Um along with the amphitheater budget. I prefer that stay at the two million. Um I do have a question though, this on the third page of the budget. [4:07:40, 4:07:44]: Looking at the twenty twenty three actuals [4:07:45, 4:07:49]: versus what we adopted in twenty twenty four. [4:07:50, 4:07:53]: Looking at the line for intergovernmental revenue. [4:07:55, 4:07:56]: The actual [4:07:56, 4:07:58]: For twenty twenty three. [4:07:59, 4:08:01]: Shells a million two hundred and twelve. [4:08:01, 4:08:02]: Thousand. [4:08:03, 4:08:04]: I don't know what was budgeted. [4:08:05, 4:08:08]: But looking at what was adopted for twenty twenty four. [4:08:08, 4:08:10]: shows two hundred and twenty eight thousand. [4:08:11, 4:08:13]: There seems to be some discrepancy. [4:08:14, 4:08:18]: And I need to know what the actual was for twenty twenty four. [4:08:19, 4:08:25]: All right. So y you wanna know what the budgeted amount for for twenty twenty three was? [4:08:25, 4:08:28]: Or the actual for twenty twenty four, where we are today. [4:08:30, 4:08:31]: I wanna know. [4:08:31, 4:08:33]: What was the budget? [4:08:34, 4:08:38]: For intergovernmental revenue in twenty twenty three. [4:08:39, 4:08:44]: And I wanna know what the actual was for twenty twenty four. Okay. [4:08:45, 4:08:51]: No problem. I could change the chart and put that in for you. And the same with the line miscellaneous revenue. Yep. [4:08:52, 4:08:54]: For the twenty [4:08:54, 4:09:02]: What I'll do is I'll put I'll put those for each one of those headings so they get to see each each one of those items. I'll change that and and put those in for each one of those so you'll be able to see. [4:09:03, 4:09:08]: that what you're requesting for each for each taxation, for each one of those items, I'll do that for all of them. [4:09:08, 4:09:21]: Thank you. It just looks like a Yes, ma'am. You see what the actual looks like for twenty twenty three? A million dollars, but what we adopted in twenty twenty four is only a couple of hundred thousand. So I don't know. [4:09:22, 4:09:28]: I don't know what to think of that. No problem. I'll explain. Okay, same with the miscellaneous revenue. I'll reflect it. [4:09:28, 4:09:29]: That four million? [4:09:30, 4:09:36]: What was actually spent, but then what we adopted was two hundred and forty four thousand. [4:09:37, 4:09:45]: So those kinds of disc discrepancies kind of throw me off and that just jumped out at me. Um the other thing [4:09:46, 4:09:47]: The [4:09:47, 4:09:53]: management analyst position, that wasn't a position that was discussed during the retreat. [4:09:53, 4:09:54]: Um [4:09:55, 4:09:56]: We didn't discuss. [4:09:56, 4:09:58]: uh re classing [4:09:58, 4:10:00]: A management analyst physician. [4:10:01, 4:10:04]: To a manager of innovation, is that what that is? Yeah. [4:10:05, 4:10:07]: That's a five step pay grade. [4:10:07, 4:10:27]: We won't go all the way to the top of that pay grade, without a doubt. Um and so as I think Councilmember um Thomas said, I what we'll do is explain what what's going on with each where we're reclassing our new positions. We'll m address that with explanations for you guys. Thank you, sir. You're welcome. [4:10:27, 4:10:28]: That was all. [4:10:29, 4:10:30]: Any other comments from the council? [4:10:31, 4:10:51]: Just echoing the same things have been stated earlier. I don't want to kind of beat the dead horse, but uh revising again those position changes and stuff like that, trying to get clarification on that. And then as as well as uh some of the uh things that we discussed as a budget treat and trying to bain maintain the consistency across [4:10:51, 4:11:10]: what we see at at at the end of the year when we're ready to approve it. And so, yeah, that's that's what I wanted to add. Thank you. Okay, so December seventeenth, Tuesday, December seventeenth, third reading and eventual adoption of the FY twenty twenty five Okay. All right. And we'll we'll make all those adjustments and highlight where we made them. So y'all see them. [4:11:11, 4:11:31]: Okay, we're now going to new business. Uh de-annexation case DX two zero two four-zero three for manually subdivision phase three. Consideration of an ordinance to de-annex from the corporate limits of the city of Stockbridge. Nine parcels within the manually subdivision representing phase three. Request was made by the owners of nine parcels which would become part of the unincorporated Henry County. [4:11:30, 4:11:32]: Mr. Anderson, please. [4:11:35, 4:11:55]: And by the way, Ms. Anderson, in this in this process for uh phase three and phase four, in the previous uh discussions, we knew exactly what addresses these were all involved. It doesn't have that at least I don't see them in here. Maybe my maybe I'm maybe I'm blind here today. But we need to talk about what address we're talking about to make sure it's uh rock is [4:11:55, 4:11:58]: continuity and they're all connected. [4:11:58, 4:11:59]: Yeah, yeah [4:12:01, 4:12:05]: Yeah, I'm just gonna keep oh you got a presentation on it. [4:12:05, 4:12:09]: Especially the air to the middle of the kind of water. [4:12:09, 4:12:11]: I went to the house. [4:12:13, 4:12:13]: Thanks. [4:12:14, 4:12:16]: May come back to this later. [4:12:16, 4:12:18]: But I just wanna give him a picture of it. [4:12:22, 4:12:31]: So yeah. Yes, ma'am. Okay, no, okay, so ahead, please. [4:12:39, 4:12:40]: You alright? [4:12:45, 4:12:46]: But it's too late then. [4:12:47, 4:12:50]: I'm saying it's good if you find it. [4:12:54, 4:13:05]: Okay, here's the uh nine properties that that that are a part of phase three and they're and their addresses. Okay. On the screen. If you can't see it I can uh make it larger. [4:13:06, 4:13:10]: No, I can't see it. You can't see it. I mean obviously it was kinda small. Very small. [4:13:13, 4:13:14]: Oh I can say. [4:13:14, 4:13:17]: Not very small, okay. Wait a minute. [4:13:21, 4:13:40]: So this this is on letterhead. Yes. Yes, sir. Okay. So this is phase three, nine properties in phase three. I'm assuming you had a chance to to look at these all on the map themselves and where are located on oh it looks okay. There we go. [4:13:40, 4:13:42]: Oh yeah, I'm gonna do that. Oh [4:13:47, 4:13:51]: Yes, sir. Put it on slideshow for me uh [4:13:51, 4:13:53]: All right. [4:13:54, 4:14:14]: It'd be good uh for this in uh phase three and phase four to at least get a Okay. I mean I'd like to get a copy of this actually. I think it'd be beneficial. Uh'cause it's not in the package, but I'll I'll s we'll send it to you. All right, appreciate it. Tire council needs to receive that, so at least I have it. Yeah, th these are the nine and uh nine properties in uh phase three. [4:14:14, 4:14:21]: presentation I think phase four. Mm-hmm. And that should be the last of uh properties in the subposition. Okay. You better [4:14:23, 4:14:28]: Great. You got more computer skills than me, man. [4:14:29, 4:14:49]: So this guy wants me to read them into the record or you can see that. Yeah, yeah, go ahead and do that, sir. You got 220 Jasper Drive, 230 Jasper Drive, 240 Jasper Drive, 255 Jasper Drive, 224 White Sand Drive. I mean White Sand Bay Drive, 230 White Sand Bay Drive, 231 J. [4:14:49, 4:15:00]: White Sand Bay Drive, 241 White Sand Bay Drive, and 251 White Sand Bay Drive. This is phase three. Okay. Nine properties. [4:15:00, 4:15:02]: All right, Mr. Alexander, you have something, sir? [4:15:03, 4:15:10]: This is all of the properties in the subdivision or are there more properties? Uh, I'm thinking phase three and phase four is the end of it. [4:15:10, 4:15:16]: So it's every last one of the properties? We just did what? [4:15:20, 4:15:40]: We didn't do anything, sir. They choose to want to be able to do that. Did you send them something? I think that meeting was held and explained and did you send them something? I think there was a meeting that was done correct can I [4:15:40, 4:15:50]: Can I speak to that? Yeah. Yeah. So there was a meeting I think held by the district council person with those folks over there and that was highlighted and explained. [4:15:50, 4:15:51]: And so you know [4:15:52, 4:15:53]: Let me say this. I mean [4:15:54, 4:15:56]: They have a right. If they choose to want to go, go. [4:15:57, 4:16:00]: Амінвиканти до дело. [4:16:01, 4:16:02]: Right. Um [4:16:02, 4:16:17]: Overall, do I think it would have been beneficial for them? I think it was highlighted to those homeowners that you actually was getting a tax savings. You were also gonna be able to get an additional tax savings with homestead exemption and they still chose to leave. [4:16:17, 4:16:21]: Right. Um, I'll tell you a little bit more history offline, but [4:16:23, 4:16:27]: I mean, they made the choice to want to be outside the city, that's fine. I mean [4:16:27, 4:16:29]: Dit it's not gonna change the address. [4:16:30, 4:16:32]: They're gonna be one oh five, something. [4:16:32, 4:16:33]: Stockbridge, Georgia. [4:16:34, 4:16:38]: Whether they unincorporate or unincorporated, they can't change that height of it. [4:16:41, 4:16:55]: Homes in there. There was a total of sixty seven. Sixty seven. Sixty seven homes. So all sixty-seven have come before us. Yes, sir. And and so when they started this process, I I think I sat down with the mayor and I mapped out exactly how they were gonna do it. Right, you did sir. [4:16:56, 4:16:57]: Right? Based on the law. [4:16:58, 4:17:01]: Which parcels was gonna come in and win? Because [4:17:01, 4:17:04]: It was quite apparent that this was gonna happen. [4:17:04, 4:17:05]: Right. Um [4:17:06, 4:17:09]: The one thing that I wasn't gonna do, not a dare at the end, [4:17:10, 4:17:14]: was asked for y'all to D annexed the whole subdivision. I was just gonna let'em work for it. [4:17:15, 4:17:35]: I I I I'm just I just I just have a problem with uh i that's what I'm saying. If there's six how many homes have already been deannexed? Is sixty seven homes already been de annexed? When this when with the disapproval I think tonight? I think that's the that'll be that's gonna be already. Does somebody know? Does somebody verify [4:17:35, 4:17:40]: Yeah, bro, right? You got a gentleman right here who can answer that question. Yeah. Yeah. [4:17:44, 4:17:50]: Yeah. The law requires initially you do ten. Again, did it add up to sixty seven? Not right now. [4:17:51, 4:18:11]: So right, so it's not the end. So I that's what I'm saying. I want the information right. I don't want it to be I thought it was. I want the exact one. I can't I do not believe for a second that somebody would have told sixty-seven people that you could save money by staying in the city and all 67 would leave. They're only getting one side. [4:18:11, 4:18:25]: of the story. It's pretty clear. I can find, I could go there and find one person that say, listen, are you kidding all the discussions we've been having about taxes and everybody all upset about taxes, I'm gonna vote to raise my own taxes? [4:18:26, 4:18:33]: That's a hard discussion for me to sit here and be like, sixty-seven people are gonna decide, oh, I'm gonna vote for a tax increase. [4:18:33, 4:18:53]: So the HOA president is here up mayor if he doesn't mind. I think they only get one side of the story. I think they get one side of the story and that's what it is. They need to get the other side of the story. It's not a public hearing. So it'll it's not a public hearing. Okay, got it. No, it's not, but does that mean that we can't let him come up and speak? [4:18:53, 4:19:02]: Speak about this de annexation if he's here. [4:19:03, 4:19:10]: To DNA. You don't need him to tell you that. They shouldn't be able to tell us that. They don't know. [4:19:10, 4:19:12]: Can we have a map with all the properties already out? [4:19:12, 4:19:14]: Yeah, it's like thirty nine. [4:19:14, 4:19:25]: So let me just say this. So here's the m here's the map w with all of Well, this is phase three, but it includes let me find a better map. [4:19:28, 4:19:30]: Phase one and phase two. [4:19:33, 4:19:40]: Let's phase four if you if you have if you have roughly ten ten parcels. It's it's approximately forty altogether. [4:19:40, 4:19:42]: So that means you've got twenty seven left. [4:19:43, 4:19:43]: Yes. [4:19:44, 4:19:53]: And if one person says, Oh, I don't wanna do it, then it breaks the chain, right? But we haven't Oh no, that's that doesn't work like that doesn't work that way. We haven't had anything in a couple of months though. [4:19:53, 4:19:56]: What do you mean? We have about half left. [4:19:56, 4:20:16]: But they have to tuck they have to be touching the city limits, right? No, no, the count I mean they have to not to be t they have to be consecutive, right? So contiguous. So if one person in that s in that puzzle says, I don't I I don't want my taxes raised, then you can't jump over them. [4:20:17, 4:20:19]: It depends on where to locate it. [4:20:19, 4:20:31]: Can't jump up. But they've been contiguous, one up like a puzzle pieces. So if one person would have came out early on, we wouldn't be at this person. But let Mr. Garner explain, sir. [4:20:31, 4:20:37]: Understood. And I understand where you're coming from, Mr Alexander, but I also want you to see the other side of that equation, right? [4:20:38, 4:20:40]: So you are people who want to di annex into the city. [4:20:41, 4:20:45]: Right. The county specifically said, Well, okay, we oppose that annexation, but at the end [4:20:46, 4:20:49]: They don't submit any documentation to hip to DCA. [4:20:50, 4:20:55]: And after the forty five days we vote, we annexed them in because they chose to want to come into the city. [4:20:55, 4:20:56]: Right. In this case [4:20:57, 4:20:59]: You are folks who are making a decision. [4:20:59, 4:21:00]: However they doing it. [4:21:01, 4:21:02]: To want to go out. [4:21:03, 4:21:04]: Right. And [4:21:05, 4:21:08]: You know, I don't know if it's our role. [4:21:08, 4:21:11]: To say we gotta persuade these folks to stay in. [4:21:12, 4:21:14]: No, no, no, no, no, no. Let me stop you right there. [4:21:15, 4:21:35]: We do not advocate. We go out and give educational forums, just like we did during the City of Eagles Landing debate, where they get to see the pros and the cons of what it is. They give full presentation and then we actually send out information on a card saying, Do you do [4:21:35, 4:21:47]: you understand that this is the Stockbridge tax rate and do you understand this is the Henry County tax rate? We just wanna make sure you are fully aware what you're doing. Right. And so [4:21:48, 4:21:53]: Every homeowner on this list that has come before you [4:21:55, 4:21:58]: And I'm gonna put it I'm gonna put it like this, sir. [4:21:59, 4:22:01]: Every b homeowner in that subdivision is an adult. [4:22:02, 4:22:02]: Mm-hmm. [4:22:03, 4:22:04]: Де кін мейка. [4:22:06, 4:22:08]: Right. And if they want to get information. [4:22:09, 4:22:10]: It's an easy call. [4:22:11, 4:22:15]: An easy drive to say, Hey, community development Stockbridge. [4:22:17, 4:22:25]: Boy, if we'd a did that for City of Eagles Landing, we might be broken by now. Well, s no, not that and I think you you you're comparing apples to to to cabbage. [4:22:26, 4:22:27]: Right. I mean [4:22:27, 4:22:32]: At the at the end, and not to be and I'm I'm not being confrontational. I I just want [4:22:33, 4:22:33]: You know [4:22:34, 4:22:39]: I'm I'm pro government, but at at some point I think every citizen has that free right. [4:22:40, 4:22:42]: On how far we go as a government, right? And if they feel [4:22:43, 4:22:44]: Certain way that's fine. But [4:22:45, 4:22:47]: What I'm saying is they [4:22:47, 4:23:07]: Each one of those homeowners had a choice to come in contact it in to be a part of this or not to be a part of it. And if they needed information, yes, okay, we can send information out, but at the same time they could come in and ask for information to make an informed decision. That's what I do. I haven't seen any of them. I haven't seen any of the things. But I'm saying is they they have a choice. [4:23:07, 4:23:26]: are there? I haven't seen any of them. I don't see the rest of them. I see one. But they they we can't leave they they have to form a petition by law, put their name on it, sign that they want to be annexed, and that's what they've done. And they so they're speaking through through this process. [4:23:28, 4:23:28]: All right. [4:23:29, 4:23:48]: All right anyway, so we got we have uh we got oh you you your hands up there, m Ms. I did I did. I was wasn't finished with my question. I I really I know this is not a public hearing. Right. But I I just wanna it sounds like the HOA seems I think the HOA president was telling me that this would make it half of the homes. Is that correct? [4:23:49, 4:24:08]: Okay. And so that means there's another half of the homes that have not deannexed. So we have phase this is what? Phase three and phase four. Phase three and phase four. So that's about twenty homes. We're additional homes. We're ma max out about forty. Right. There's sixty seven in the total community. Right. And so [4:24:09, 4:24:17]: Uh let me explain what has taken place. I went into the neighborhood and knocked on some of the doors. No, I did not have a [4:24:17, 4:24:18]: Um I spoke to [4:24:19, 4:24:21]: Um one of the officers within the community. [4:24:22, 4:24:39]: And I actually knocked on the doors on several residents. I met with some of them. I sat in their homes and talked to some of them. I showed them the tax rate difference on some, not all, of the community. And they still [4:24:39, 4:24:43]: Th some those people opted to [4:24:43, 4:24:45]: D NX. There were a few. [4:24:46, 4:24:47]: Who had questions? [4:24:48, 4:24:51]: And I produced the document showing them. [4:24:52, 4:24:54]: the difference in the tax rate. [4:24:55, 4:24:57]: But they still didn't come to the meeting. [4:24:58, 4:25:00]: And they did not object. [4:25:00, 4:25:11]: Right. Even though they were curious as to that um one person had a complaint about the trash, whether or not they I mean I I got a complaint or two about [4:25:11, 4:25:16]: trash pick up t w whether debris needs to be in a box or not or [4:25:16, 4:25:20]: where the location needs to be and if it's not quite clear and stuff like that. [4:25:20, 4:25:22]: But other than that. [4:25:22, 4:25:30]: Uh yeah, I had two that did that. Other than that, no one has come here. And you're right, I have not had a a a town hall. W well [4:25:31, 4:25:43]: Marnock Village is having one tomorrow. But I haven't had an an additional town hall. I can ask that staff send out just a letter. If they want to annex back in, they can. Um the other the others [4:25:44, 4:25:46]: So I will um ask that we [4:25:46, 4:25:55]: agreed to just send out a letter of notification on the facts for that particular area in the community. We had talked about that. [4:25:55, 4:26:02]: But um you know, just list the facts and and they you know, we can't advocate one way or another. [4:26:02, 4:26:22]: by law and so we just list the facts. But I did knock on doors. I I not just call because I I wanted to know and wanted to hear and and especially since they were just annexed then. And there is a law though uh that basically states and some of our sister cities have dealt with this as well, where [4:26:22, 4:26:42]: um the county had gotten the bright idea to try to de-annex certain locations. Um but you can't de-annex if people or the municipality relied on a particular area for bonding purposes. So a lot of the city, the majority is secured due to that. This happened to be a loophole because Bundy had our [4:26:42, 4:26:46]: already taken place prior to their their particular [4:26:46, 4:26:51]: um incident. Other than that, um de annexation would not have been [4:26:51, 4:27:00]: they wouldn't be eligible for it and and based off the location um of continuity. And so that stops some others. And and that way [4:27:00, 4:27:12]: we know that we can just relate the facts, um, go ahead and submit those documents to the entire community, even those that have been de-annexed, um, for the purpose of disclosure. [4:27:13, 4:27:15]: I support that. [4:27:15, 4:27:20]: And other than that, um, I've always stated that people have a right to [4:27:20, 4:27:25]: um, do what they want to do and they have chosen to D annex right now. [4:27:25, 4:27:27]: I would like to take the high road. [4:27:27, 4:27:29]: In allowing de annexation. [4:27:30, 4:27:31]: As compared to [4:27:31, 4:27:48]: us denying something knowing that it sh it would get approved and wasting the uh time of uh of it going and waiting forty five days and going up and someone wasting legal fees. Those are things and that has happened in the past. [4:27:49, 4:28:09]: from um the county and I don't agree with that process when people want to annex into the city and they know that there is not a valid you know uh that we sh they should just be allowed to annex. We're not gonna play those political games. And I've said that one time before. I think we should take the high road. So having said that I [4:28:09, 4:28:14]: I'd like to make a motion to approve the de-annexation of the properties that Mr. Anderson just listed. [4:28:15, 4:28:23]: Yeah, I will second that with you putting in the motion that we're gonna send out this information to everybody in the subdivision with the facts. [4:28:23, 4:28:36]: Yes. Well in in addition to that, we will also send out the information to the entire Manderley subdivision with the facts about our taxes and um the benefits of being in the city of Stockbridge. [4:28:36, 4:28:41]: Second. All right. Uh any further discussion? If not, um uh [4:28:41, 4:28:45]: Neither mo one motion has been made, so all all in favor? [4:28:46, 4:28:52]: Un announ decision, okay. And Ryan, this uh Mr Anson, this letter that you have in front of us, this was not part of a pack. [4:28:52, 4:28:53]: Packet. So [4:28:54, 4:29:03]: If you can give us a copy of that as well, all of us. Yes, sir. I'll send it to you. Yeah, this one and and probably have the same thing for the next uh next point coming up as well. So yes, ma'am. [4:29:05, 4:29:25]: No, it's just for 18. We we need to vote on 19. We need to vote on 19. That's only 18. Okay, de-annexation case DX two zero two four-zero four for manly subdivision phase four. Considerational ordinance to de-annex from the corporate limits of the city of Stockbridge. Nine parcels within the manly subdivision representing phase four. The request was made by the only [4:29:24, 4:29:29]: nine parcels which would become part of unincorporated Henry County. Mr. Ryan, please. [4:29:30, 4:29:30]: Okay. [4:29:32, 4:29:33]: So I'm [4:29:36, 4:29:38]: These are the um [4:29:40, 4:29:45]: Two, four, six, eight, nine for uh phase [4:29:47, 4:29:48]: Four. [4:29:50, 4:29:50]: Let me see. [4:29:51, 4:29:56]: Okay, could you read those uh addresses in record please?'Cause I sure the can't see. Okay. [4:30:10, 4:30:30]: Okay, so it's 115 Jasper Drive, 145 Jasper Drive, 150 Jasper Drive, 340 Kareet Drive, 350 Karit Drive, 360 Karit Drive, 370 Karit Drive, 615 Edgecomb Drive. [4:30:30, 4:30:32]: Drive six twenty-five edge comb drive. [4:30:36, 4:30:42]: All right, thank you, sir. If there are any not any questions and motion to accept this So moved. Is there a second? [4:30:43, 4:30:59]: I'm Mr. B Mr. Barrett's second then. All fair pleasing the K. All right, dynamic decision. Okay, thank you. Uh on that note, uh council of consideration approved the twenty twenty-three bad debt write-off in the amount of eleven thousand four hundred and twenty-eight dollars and sixty-one cents. Frank's back at us. [4:31:01, 4:31:21]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Um bad debt means uh the chances of correcting uh the date is almost zero. So I wanted to give a background of uh how did we arrive to that amount of eleven thousand [4:31:21, 4:31:28]: four hundred and twenty eight. So in two thousand ninety three at twenty twenty three. [4:31:30, 4:31:31]: We had collected [4:31:36, 4:31:37]: Four [4:31:37, 4:31:43]: and seventeen four million and seventeen thousand one hundred and eighty one. [4:31:44, 4:31:46]: Out of that we corrected the [4:31:48, 4:31:56]: We had a bad debt and that was representation of ninety nine point nine nine seven percent. [4:31:57, 4:32:01]: Correction of ninety nine point nine nine. [4:32:03, 4:32:05]: percent of correction. [4:32:06, 4:32:09]: And then we had the eleven [4:32:10, 4:32:21]: thousand four hundred and twenty eight and sixty one cents that we did not collect, representing zero point zero zero three percent. [4:32:24, 4:32:44]: So when you think about eleven thousand, think about how much did we collect and what percentage it is. Now you may ask how did we arrive to have uh uh bad debt that it has almost zero percent of collecting. We have uh clients that the move [4:32:43, 4:32:45]: Yeah. [4:32:45, 4:32:49]: that we don't have even their contacts where they go. [4:32:49, 4:32:56]: And our collection company they have tried all means of collecting that. [4:32:57, 4:32:58]: It has not happened. [4:32:59, 4:33:01]: It does not mean that he [4:33:01, 4:33:05]: we may not collect some of these we may recover. [4:33:05, 4:33:09]: The time we recover will classify them as a [4:33:09, 4:33:17]: revenue, miscellaneous revenue, and we'll put back to the book of that time because twenty twenty-three is gone. [4:33:18, 4:33:30]: So the request is we to consider accepting that zero point zero zero three percent that we could not correct in twenty twenty three. [4:33:33, 4:33:36]: All right, thank you, sir. Any questions for Frank? Council? [4:33:37, 4:33:39]: Yeah, if not need a motion to accept this uh [4:33:40, 4:33:43]: Bad debt write off of twenty twenty three. So moved. Is there a second? [4:33:45, 4:33:48]: Mr. Bear from Ms. Gantton, Mr. Barrett. All in favor, please indicate. [4:33:48, 4:33:50]: Nancy Sisney. Okay, thank you, friend. Appreciate that. [4:33:53, 4:34:13]: All righty. Well what we have next, announcements, upcoming meetings and events. Upcoming meetings and announcements. Council meetings will be held in the City Council Chamber. Meeting dates, locations, and times are subject to change, or contact city hall offices at 770-389-7900 or visit the website of www.stopbridgeg8.org for updates. [4:34:13, 4:34:33]: Citywide Development Authority meeting second Tuesday of each month at City Hall, in the City Hall, the Levi meeting room on 6 p.m. December 10th. Downtown Development Authority meeting special date Tuesday, December 10th, the Downtown Connection Center, 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail. The Main Street Adviracy Board meeting on the second Friday [4:34:33, 4:34:53]: Beach month at 9 a.m. location downtown Connection Center 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail December 13th. City Council Work Session Meeting Special Date Tuesday, December 17th, 6 PM, City Hall Council Chambers. And that'll be our third reading and also our adoption of our 2025 budget. [4:34:53, 4:35:13]: Youth Council Advisory Committee meeting 6 30, third Tuesday of each month. The Levi Meeting Room City Hall December 17th. The Planning Commission meeting third Thursday of each month, 630 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, December 19th. Youth Council meeting first Monday of each month, 6:30 p.m. City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, January 2nd. [4:35:13, 4:35:33]: The community zoning and information meeting Thursday, January 2nd, 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. City Hall, Council Chambers. Stockbridge Citizens Police Advisory Council meeting first Thursday of each month at 6:30 p.m. in Stockbridge Police Community Room 4545 North Henry Boulevard January 2nd. City Council meeting second Monday of each month, January 13th. [4:35:33, 4:35:53]: December 16th from 10 a.m. to noon at the city hall. Councilman Thomas is honoring veterans and continues to salute to y'all year long, all year long. Please send your pictures and veterans of their name and rank [4:35:53, 4:36:13]: Branch rank and years of service service there. Join Councilman Thomas so don't stop don't trash stop bridge initiatives centered around education, highlighting the causes and effects of littering and legal dumping. More information to follow on that. Please contact Rawls and Rawls who scheduled appointment to meet the mayor and or more information on council initiatives and events. [4:36:13, 4:36:33]: Three eight three three three three four eight or by way of email ralls at stopbridge G A dot O R G. And okay. And my other comments are, ladies and gentlemen, is is December. We're in the winter months. Please uh keep your good health up. Take your flu shots, get your covert boosters. Our last official citywide [4:36:32, 4:36:52]: I guess you say um event was this past Friday for our holiday festival and cle uh tree lighting a little nippy outside, but several thousand I think of several thousand people attended that. Well well attended event. We do have another event coming up this weekend, but it's for all our city vol volunteers. Actually, and that would be on the actually [4:36:52, 4:37:12]: On uh Sunday Saturday, the 14th, right? And that'll be for our volunteers at Merminus Conference Center. A special event and a special invite for those individuals. Congratulations to the Georgia Bulldogs for being the SEC champions and also getting a buy in the playoff system. And so uh there'll be uh buying that you become number [4:37:12, 4:37:26]: one uh team this year and see what happens in during uh uh playoffs with the uh with f college football. And uh obviously if you lose three games or more you shouldn't be in. So anybody So hey hey [4:37:27, 4:37:32]: No no no not this year. Not this year, we'll not. [4:37:33, 4:37:37]: You know, but I have to admit I'm a Don Notre Dame fan though, but okay. [4:37:38, 4:37:53]: Uh so uh let's see what else we got. Oh yeah, uh what's uh good happening here. It seems though that we're gonna have another ribbon cutting grand opening at Bridge of Joteco. Whataburger? Yeah, I think that's scheduled for uh Monday the sixteenth at ten thirty. What you say, Mr. Alexander? [4:37:53, 4:37:54]: All right. [4:37:54, 4:38:14]: And we're gonna get an invite to a friends only event too. How about that? That's free. The whole community's actually. Check it out. So water burger, uh right now. Monday sixteenth, ten thirty PM. Come and get your good burger. We just moving right along with Bridget Jodico. A lot of things are happening, and we'll be having all next year as well. And on that note, I was oh [4:38:14, 4:38:27]: How can I forget? Merry Christmas. Happy holidays, everybody. And look forward to twenty twenty five being a very prosperous new year. On that note, there is no executive session. So uh council I need a motion to end our meeting. [4:38:27, 4:38:30]: Adjourned. So moved. From Ms. Gantt. Is there a second? [4:38:30, 4:38:32]: Second, uh Mr. Alzheimer's on fair, please indicate. [4:38:33, 4:38:45]: Great. So now those five to zero, the one person. Four four votes uh for that. Your hands up, okay. Four votes. God bless you. You got f oh you got five. [4:38:45, 4:38:50]: Four votes. Uh Miss uh Barber is not present. Okay. God bless you all. Good night. [4:39:00, 4:39:03]: Thanks for all the good guys. [4:39:05, 4:39:05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

--- title: Community Zoning Information Meeting date: 2024-12-04 source: 2024-12-04_Community_Zoning_Information_Meeting.wav --- [0:01:33, 0:01:43]: Good evening everyone. Welcome to the City of Stockbridge Community Zoning and Information Meeting. Tonight we have staff. [0:01:44, 0:01:49]: Our director is Ryan Anderson. He's the director over community development. [0:01:50, 0:01:55]: My name is Kedro Jackson. I'm the chief planner in the planning and zoning division. [0:01:55, 0:02:01]: We have Miss Linda Logan, who is the senior planner and the secretary to the planning commission. [0:02:01, 0:02:06]: As well as Gordon Linton, senior planner in planning and zoning. [0:02:07, 0:02:11]: Tonight we would like to go over rules and procedures for the meeting. [0:02:12, 0:02:32]: Um while the applicant is presenting, we ask that those of you in the audience to hold all comments or questions to the end of the presentation and then you will have a 101 session or session with the applicant to ask of any questions you may have. We ask that any comment [0:02:32, 0:02:45]: Will remain to yourself without blurting those out. If you have direct questions or need additional information, you may see a staff member such as Linda, Gordon, or myself. [0:02:46, 0:02:57]: So tonight we will have two cases before you. We have a rezoning case, case number RZ two zero two four-one one. [0:02:58, 0:03:01]: This is located in Council District Two. [0:03:01, 0:03:13]: The city of Stockbridge will hold three meetings in regards to this case. One will be the CZIM, which we are here tonight. The next meeting will be January 13th. [0:03:19, 0:03:28]: Another case we will hear tonight is the text amendment TS 2024-09. This is a citywide text amendment. [0:03:29, 0:03:30]: Um regarding [0:03:31, 0:03:37]: bed and breakfast. Um the staff is making some amendments to this ordinance. [0:03:37, 0:03:43]: And this ordinance will have supplemental regulations in regards to bed and breakfast. [0:03:43, 0:04:00]: So before we begin, we would like to go over the zoning process to explain how we get to this point. It first starts with an initial contact from the applicant. The applicant contacts staff for a pre-application meeting. [0:04:01, 0:04:10]: Um we go over the intention of the project as well as site plan, comments, code requirements, et cetera. [0:04:11, 0:04:17]: After the applicant submits the application, it is now moved to prepare. [0:04:17, 0:04:22]: the application for a board hearing and that preparation includes [0:04:23, 0:04:35]: Legal ads is including um additional information such as uh a water letter from Henry County Water Authority, also um deeds to the property, et cetera. [0:04:37, 0:04:46]: After that information is obtained, the application is now deemed complete and we begin the application for um [0:04:46, 0:04:55]: Research and that research can be site visits, having one-on-one meetings with the applicant to obtain additional information. [0:04:55, 0:04:56]: Et cetera. [0:04:57, 0:04:58]: The application is then [0:04:59, 0:05:10]: put on the agenda for the next planning commission meeting as well as city council and then before it goes to those two boards it comes here. [0:05:11, 0:05:28]: At this meeting, which is again the community zoning information meeting, the public has the right to ask of any questions to the applicant or staff. They may review site plans or any other pertinent documentation regarding the case. [0:05:28, 0:05:35]: So then after city council it is either voted as approved or denied. [0:05:35, 0:05:51]: um whichever decision the city council comes up with, the applicant is then sent a decision letter from staff and that's that's the end of the application process. [0:05:51, 0:05:55]: So tonight, as I read into record, we will hear um [0:05:56, 0:06:01]: A rezoning case RZ twenty twenty four regarding a PUD. [0:06:02, 0:06:03]: Plant unit development. [0:06:03, 0:06:05]: Master plan development. [0:06:05, 0:06:11]: So the applicant is r zoning from PUD to PUD to create a master plan development. [0:06:11, 0:06:17]: The intent is to adopt a master plan for the property to allow for the construction of a townhome development. [0:06:17, 0:06:37]: The applicant is Vista Residential Partners. The agent is Dennis J. Webb Jr. Esquire. The three parcels that are located, they're located in land lot 38 of District 12 as identified. And there are three parcels containing [0:06:37, 0:06:45]: 18.31 acres, and the parcels are zero three zero dash zero one zero zero. [0:06:46, 0:06:51]: two zero zero zero and that is also known as four fifteen flippin road. [0:06:52, 0:06:55]: Which contains thirteen point four three six acres. [0:06:56, 0:06:58]: And then there's parcel number [0:06:58, 0:07:18]: Zero three zero zero one zero zero two zero zero one which contains point eight eight six acres and the last parcel is zero three zero dash zero one zero zero two zero zero two which contains three point nine eight eight acres. [0:07:18, 0:07:21]: At this point I'll go ahead and [0:07:22, 0:07:31]: Allow the applicant to introduce or present his case before you and we'll open the floor to questions. [0:07:54, 0:08:03]: Okay. Oh thank you. Good evening. Uh my name's Alex Brock with Smith Gambrel Russell. I'm here on behalf of uh Din Webb, uh who is also with Smith Gambrel. [0:08:04, 0:08:06]: And uh I am [0:08:14, 0:08:19]: One moment. I'm trying to uh see if I can expand this, but it's not working. [0:08:32, 0:08:34]: Do you know how to get it to like just the page view? [0:08:36, 0:08:38]: Oh, slide joke, there you go. [0:08:44, 0:08:46]: There we go. Thank you. I appreciate that. [0:08:47, 0:09:07]: All right, uh to start over for those in the audience. My name's Alex Brock with Smith Cambrell Russell here on behalf of Din Webb. Um who's with Smith Cambrell and could not be here tonight. Uh we are the representatives of uh for Vista Residential Group, who's the applicant for this application. And uh as uh Kidra noted earlier, this is a rezoning from [0:09:07, 0:09:13]: PUD to PUD to attach a regulating plan or a master site plan to the development. [0:09:13, 0:09:14]: And [0:09:15, 0:09:32]: Before I get into the specifics of what we're proposing for the development, just want to go over kind of briefly what our application is, because it's not your typical rezoning. Uh what we are asking for is uh a rezoning to the same district just for the sole purpose of attaching the regulating plan. [0:09:35, 0:09:47]: This site is located on the east side of Flippin' Road, uh here at the Reeves Creek Trailhead. You can see the Reeves Creek uh trailhead bifurcates the uh the property to the north and the south. [0:09:48, 0:10:08]: Uh this property was rezoned in Henry County in 2019 to mixed use. Uh it was part of a master plan development. Uh at that time it was a let me flip over to it, a larger 100-acre plus master plan of multiple uh uh properties. You can see here our parcels are out. [0:10:08, 0:10:28]: outlined in red. That is what the subject of the discussion is tonight and of the application. This property, when it was rezoned in 2019, subsequent to that, it was annexed into the city of Stockbridge. When it was brought into the city of Stockbridge, the city adopted a zoning of PUD Plan Unit Development, which was [0:10:28, 0:10:48]: was the closest uh matching um zoning district to the Henry County's underlying uh or uh previous MU district. However, when that was brought in, uh a uh attached regulating plan or master site plan was not also adopted at that time. The PUD district [0:10:48, 0:10:54]: requires a the adoption of a master plan uh to regulate the development of the parcels. [0:10:55, 0:11:06]: uh under that zoning district. And since this does not have a attached master plan, uh what we are simply seeking is to uh attach the master plan. [0:11:07, 0:11:27]: And what we s what you see before you tonight is our proposal for 94 townhomes. Uh in 2019, when that overall plan was approved, uh there were uh consideration for 100 townhome units that were approved by Henry County at that time. Uh we have reduced the number of units uh and reconfigured the the [0:11:27, 0:11:33]: layout of the units uh a little bit more efficiently along the property. [0:11:34, 0:11:51]: Uh we are providing uh into basically three sections, one on or one on either side of Fairhaven Road, uh and then another one to the south here, uh south of the Reeves Creek uh trailhead property uh owned by the city of Stockbridge. [0:11:52, 0:12:02]: The developer Vista Residential was also the same applicant for the development to the west of Flippin' Road. However, that is a separate and distinct development from uh these parcels here. [0:12:03, 0:12:08]: Uh what we are only concerned with are the nine to four units that we're proposing on this plan. [0:12:08, 0:12:28]: We are proposing uh sidewalk connections along uh Flippin' Road to the Reeves Creek Trailhead to provide access for the residents to the trail, uh, to use that as an amenity. We believe that's a a strong feature of the area uh in in welcome by the residents and will be well used by the the future residents. [0:12:28, 0:12:30]: Yeah. [0:12:31, 0:12:50]: We are also proposing stormwater ponds uh at each of the uh the pods. We are uh uh considering uh the inclusion of dog parks uh or other green areas uh in turning the the stormwater pond ponds into uh uh from surface ponds to underground detention. [0:12:51, 0:13:01]: Each unit, uh let me flip over to this is a conceptual elevation. Each unit will have two car garages. Uh they will be two stories. Uh [0:13:01, 0:13:03]: Approximately three bedrooms. Um [0:13:04, 0:13:15]: The elevations that you see here are uh conceptual in nature. It's to give a feel for the overall uh architectural uh intent of the [0:13:16, 0:13:32]: of the townhomes. The facade materials will comply with the city's uh requirements. However, the facades that you see on these elevations aren't necessarily the final facades. Those the materials may be adjusted uh as we get further along in the architectural design. [0:13:33, 0:13:50]: So again, just to reiterate, what we are asking for is not a uh rezoning to a new district or to a or to allow a new use. What we are uh asking for is the adoption of a master plan or uh regulating plan for the PUD zoning. [0:13:50, 0:13:54]: Similar to what was approved by Henry County in twenty nineteen. [0:13:55, 0:13:56]: So with that [0:13:56, 0:14:01]: uh I'll end my presentation and and open it up for any questions from the audience. [0:14:07, 0:14:11]: And if there are none, I'll turn it back over to [0:14:12, 0:14:13]: To planning staff. [0:14:20, 0:14:20]: Thank you. [0:14:31, 0:14:44]: Um, since we do not have any questions after this meeting, as stated before, this case will travel to the planning commission. That meeting will be held on December nineteenth, twenty twenty four. [0:14:44, 0:14:49]: In the city council chambers where we're meeting tonight at six thirty pm. [0:14:50, 0:14:54]: That board will make a recommendation of approval denial. [0:14:54, 0:15:14]: Um and then it will move to City Council. City Council will have the final vote on whether this case is approved or not. And that meeting will take place on January 13th, 2025, at 6 PM, also here in the City Council chambers. [0:15:14, 0:15:34]: We have of course the information to this case in our office. So feel free if you're watching to contact staff regarding any questions or if you would like to see the site plan for this case. And I have no further updates. [0:15:34, 0:15:48]: You can open the floor. Okay. There are no other updates. So on your screen are the dates I just previously stated. As you can see here, the Planning Commission and Mayor City Council and [0:15:49, 0:16:09]: Um there are some upcoming projects that we are working on. We are still in the process of making updates and amendments to our UDC, our Unified Development Code. And so look forward to those. And we hope to see you in the new year. So we thank you for working. [0:16:09, 0:16:11]: watching and joining us. Good night. [0:16:39, 0:16:59]: So, although this meeting is not quite over, we do have a test amendment that will be joining the previous case presented to you on December 19th. It is a test amendment regarding our our bed and breakfast. Um, this test amendment will involve some changes we're making um regarding that. [0:16:58, 0:17:10]: Existing ordinance. Right now, the ordinance does allow for bed and breakfast in the RR district by way of a special use permit. [0:17:11, 0:17:12]: That [0:17:12, 0:17:20]: Regulation will remain. However, there are some additional language that we are adding to that ordinance that includes um [0:17:21, 0:17:35]: Um it relates to properties that are existing um today in the city. Um we want to put a grandfather language in there that will allow um one to exist. However, there are some [0:17:35, 0:17:36]: Um [0:17:37, 0:17:49]: Nonconforming regulations that one will still have to follow in regards to non-con legal nonconforming uses. Um also additional information we're adding are [0:17:49, 0:18:09]: um gatherings on the property as well as um the type of uh development um for new bed and breakfasts. So it's not a huge change, just some to bring the code up to date to allow um mainly for those that are currently as [0:18:09, 0:18:29]: Existing as bed and breakfast. Of course, we will release the test amendment to the public on the 12th. So you will have the opportunity to review that test amendment. If one is watching and you have further questions, yes, please call staff and you can call me directly and I can provide you with [0:18:29, 0:18:33]: [1114.1, 1134.1]: And from there, um, as I stated, we are as a staff working on amendments to the code and we're also looking at bringing in new um ordinances or uh regulations to the code. Um we have many great developments that are taking place in the [0:18:54, 0:19:01]: city of Stockbridge. So we are looking forward to becoming a um diverse and well [0:19:02, 0:19:11]: um developed city. So we thank all of our residents, we thank all of our developers, and from that information we conclude the meeting. [0:19:12, 0:19:13]: Again, thank you.