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--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2022-06-13 source: 2022-06-13_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:53:34, 0:53:40]: And for possible is we have the British foundations, arts and culture, our public institutions and company. [0:53:45, 0:53:51]: The commemoration of Caribbean American Heritage Month aims to divide Americans and have a great slide on our birth people. [0:53:59, 0:54:15]: Now therefore I am this for our virtual authority best community as American City Stock New Georgia. On behalf of Councilmember Zandry and Barber Challenge, PC Bank and Follow Thomas, who hear about the plane, June 2022, including American. [0:54:20, 0:54:32]: American faculty. The witness that we're up, I have here underset my hand on the 13th day of June of 2022, as well as the official suit of guessing stock fixed K2, and I signed the population of the software. [0:54:55, 0:54:57]: Okay. [0:54:59, 0:55:02]: We are now going to have um a public hearing. [0:55:03, 0:55:04]: And his public hearing [0:55:05, 0:55:07]: deals with the comprehensive planned amendment case [0:55:08, 0:55:24]: Number CP das 2022-01. The City of Stockbridge Marin City Council will hear a comprehensive plan amendment request by Remy Rose Development LLC, the applicant requested by represented by Battle Law, PC [0:55:25, 0:55:30]: The agent to change the future land use d designation of certain property from land [0:55:30, 0:55:49]: excuse me from low density density vertical mixed use to high density residential to allow for a mixed use development. The property contains two parcels as are listed below at sixty eight point eight seven total acres within the Starbury City limits. The City of Starbury's Planning Commission recommends approval [0:55:50, 0:56:04]: Number uh zero one two dash zero one zero zero three zero zero zero. The smaller parcel contains three point one three one acres and comprises of the property at uh one zero three six highway one thirty eight. [0:56:05, 0:56:09]: West across from Spyrie Road, located on land lot fifty five of District twelve. [0:56:10, 0:56:30]: There's also parcel number 012-01002000. The larger parcel contains six point seven four three three three three three acres, situated adjacent to the western side of the smaller parcel with frontage on Highway 138 West, across from Tributary Tributary Parkway. [0:56:30, 0:56:36]: Located in land lot forty two of District twelve. Please, sir. Go right ahead. [0:56:37, 0:56:57]: We can barely hear you. Could you speak uh in in the I don't know if there's an adjustment on the mic we've been made, but wanna make sure you hear you. Oh, it wasn't on, sir. Okay, good deal. Good evening. My name is Ryan Anderson and uh I'd like to present this case. Uh the propo the proposed comprehensive plan amendment is required to facilitate the rezoning of the subject properly property. Currently the existing low density vertical mixed use [0:56:57, 0:57:16]: Local land use designations does not list PUD as one of its recommended land uses. Therefore, an amendment to the comp plan is needed. A change to high density residential character area would allow for the successful rezoning of the subject property, as PUD is PUD is one of the recommended land uses. [0:57:28, 0:57:46]: Uh okay, here's a aerial photo of the subject property. Uh there are two par two parcels of land, a smaller a smaller tract which is approximately three acres and a um a larger tract which is approximately sixty-four acres for a total of of sixty eight acres. [0:57:53, 0:57:54]: Yeah. [0:57:57, 0:57:59]: I'm sorry, I can't. [0:58:00, 0:58:01]: Get this to know. [0:58:02, 0:58:22]: Okay, I'd like to present the case facts. Parties to the application is the Remy Rhodes Development Corporation and the applicant is Battle Law Group. They're the represent they're representing the applicant. The subject property is located on Highway 38, Lake Spybe Parkway, across from Spybe Road. The the property contains sixty-eight point eight [0:58:22, 0:58:42]: The smaller parcel is 3.131 acres and the larger parcel is 65.743 acres. The smaller parcel is zone C one and the larger parcel is zone C2. The property is mostly vacant and includes the Reeves Creek floodplains and a cemetery. The future land use map shows. [0:58:42, 0:58:57]: Low density vertical mixed use designation and the surrounding land use includes medium density vertical mixed use and low density residential. The applicants request to change the property's land use designation to high density residential. [0:59:07, 0:59:09]: Oh man, I can't [0:59:15, 0:59:22]: I'm sorry, I can't figure out uh Okay. Here's the area view photo of the um of the subject property. And um [0:59:24, 0:59:25]: The surrounding zoning. [0:59:31, 0:59:32]: The future land use map. [0:59:36, 0:59:45]: The proposed development includes 360 apartments, 102 fee simple townhomes, and 48,000 square feet of commercial. [0:59:45, 0:59:49]: Uh the main interest of the proposed development would be at a traffic light at Spive Road. [0:59:49, 0:59:52]: And the second access across from Tributary Parkway. [0:59:53, 1:00:06]: Uh the site design includes two commercial buildings at main entrance, apartments on the west side, townhomes on the east side, two swimming pools, a multi-use trail surrounding the site, and open space to the north to preserve the creek areas. [1:00:07, 1:00:15]: The trip generation projects 7,390 total trips, 205 AM exiting and 203 PM entering. [1:00:18, 1:00:25]: The s the prop the project will have to be coordinated with the Georgia Department of Transportation since it's located on the state route. [1:00:30, 1:00:31]: Here's a a copy of the site plan. [1:00:39, 1:00:56]: Analysis of the request consistency with the comprehensive plan. The requested land use designation change is necessary due to the following. The current land use designation does not allow the types of development which the applicant is proposing. The proposed densities will not be allowed under the existing land use designation. [1:00:57, 1:01:17]: Relation to the zoning of the property, the larger parcels existing zoning of C two and the proposed zoning of PUD are not allowed under the property's existing land use designation of low density vertical mixed use. There is no need to change the property's land use designation unless the property is rezoned for a development proposal. Inner approval of the comprehensive plan amendment. [1:01:17, 1:01:20]: Via C P twenty [1:01:20, 1:01:27]: Two thousand twenty two dash oh one must be contingent upon the simultaneous approval of the requested rezoning of the property. [1:01:33, 1:01:40]: Staff recommendation. The requested complain amendment will be necessary and desirable for the subject property in conjunction with the requested rezoning of the property. [1:01:41, 1:01:57]: To allow for the proposed mixed use development. The planning and zoning staff therefore recommends approval of the requested change in the subject property futures land use designation from low density mixed vertical use to high density residential. We would like to add two conditions to that. [1:01:58, 1:02:00]: Uh the first condition being um [1:02:00, 1:02:12]: The is that the um the approval approval to the comp plan amendment is contingent upon the property being successfully rezoned. The rezoning is coming up next. So and um we will base the [1:02:14, 1:02:29]: the um approval based on the successful passing of the rezoning. And also that the um the applicant would have to successfully um subdivide and then recombine the smaller parts of the land. That's the so you have any questions? [1:02:29, 1:02:31]: Thank you. Uh questions, Council. [1:02:32, 1:02:36]: Yes, one. Go go go right ahead, Ms. Gantt. When do we um [1:02:36, 1:02:47]: adopt the future land use map. What was our most recent adoption? Uh it's up it's due for uh a redo, I mean update this year, twenty twenty three. So I'm thinking it's twenty eighteen. [1:02:47, 1:02:52]: Twenty eighteen was the last time we adopted a future land use map? Yes. Mm-hmm. [1:02:53, 1:02:55]: And our comprehensive plan. [1:02:56, 1:02:57]: Uh twenty eighteen also. [1:02:59, 1:02:59]: Okay. [1:02:59, 1:03:19]: So we're we're uh about to start work on that right now. Sir. Yeah, so um as we look and we move to try to understand what this looks like and what the property looks like, it should be important to note that all three entities, the Clayton County government, the Henry County government, [1:03:19, 1:03:39]: And the City of Stockbridge is simultaneously sitting at the table working on a community improvement district for Highway 138, which will be inclusive of making sure that the upkeep on the businesses, the upkeep on the right-of-ways, and the [1:03:39, 1:03:59]: Beautification are all incorporated. Concept plans include 10-foot multi-use pass from North Henry Boulevard all the way to Clayton International Park. They include increased vegetation. They include making sure that there [1:03:59, 1:04:19]: There is a uniform signage, wayfinding signage program, whereas if you get off on the interstate, uh there will be uniform directional signage in all three jurisdictions to direct you to Clayton International, the Stockbridge Amphitheater, Merrill Manor Conference Center, or any uh point of interest. This is the first time in the uh [1:04:19, 1:04:39]: uh that uh uh in the history that all three entities are sitting down, working together cohesively in order to move this uh forward to make sure that there's improvement. Uh it should also be noted that the city has taken it upon itself to have weekly um maintenance of this entire area. [1:04:39, 1:04:59]: When you get off the exit now, uh that portion is in uh Henry County unincorporated from the south north the southbound uh exit ramp to the holiday inn. That's actually unincorporated in Henry County. But this council chose to adopt that particular area even. [1:04:59, 1:05:19]: even though it's not in the city limits, to make sure that the grass was cut and that the litter was picked up on a weekly basis. We do that out of our funds when Henry County refused to do so. So that entire area, we do that with our Keepstark Bridge Beautiful program, and we have independent landscapers who make sure that they do that. [1:05:19, 1:05:39]: That everybody in this room wants to see that region move forward cohesively in a substantial way. No, Starbucks is not one of locate there when grass is growing two to three feet tall, there's litter everywhere, and there's uh unauthorized signage and such. So these three entities are working together to develop. [1:05:39, 1:05:59]: A community improvement district along this region. Why are we doing that? Because every time when you go up to Cumberland Mall or you go up to the Galleria or Sugarloaf, people see the beautification in that area. They don't understand. Well, why can't we do that? They they do that by making developing what's called a community improvement. [1:05:59, 1:06:19]: Improvement district where the businesses tax themselves, where they pay private contractors to maintain beautification in those particular areas. That's why uh the galleria area looks like it looks and the sugar loaf area looks like it looks, because they those businesses work together in unison to understand that. [1:06:19, 1:06:39]: And when you see a development like the Battery Atlanta, that's high dish density, residential, and mixed-use commercial all combined into one. And to attract the Whole Foods, to attract the Trader Joe's, to attract the type of substantial development with the Starbucks or the Caribou Country. [1:06:38, 1:06:58]: Coffee or Lido grocery store or you know any type of substantial development, they want to come into an area that's tight and they wanna see rooftops there. Uh the last thing that I would say as part of this fitting into the future land use uh designation is that we hear this all the time. And we did a study. [1:06:58, 1:07:18]: in Henry County. And we asked our kids once they graduate from school, did they want to come back to Henry County? You know what? The overwhelming majority of them said no, because there was nothing for them to do or there was no quality jobs and entertainment here for them. [1:07:18, 1:07:38]: Also, as we deal with these situations right now, we look at, you know, you want your grandkids to come back home at some point. Where are they gonna stay when there's a$350,000 starting home price in Henry County right now? So, you know, this council is charged with uh making trying to see what we're [1:07:38, 1:07:58]: We can do to fit the middle to make sure that we can balance the needs of the community. So my granddaughter, my daughter could come back here and have a place actually to stay, and then she can transition to a all in this, like in this development, for example, you have uh apartments and then you have brownstone town homes where the [1:07:58, 1:08:18]: Renters at which point could transfer over and become uh C fee simple townhome owners uh of these particular properties. All of those things work uh in unison in order to bring quality development to this area. And I understand most of you all live uh in Clayton County. [1:08:18, 1:08:38]: And you know, I'm sure y'all are familiar with what's going on out there with the new splash part, but for your standpoint, there's no quality retail. There is no grosser quality grocer on your side of the development. There's none of that. And in order to move that area forward cohesively, we gotta all work together to bring quality. [1:08:38, 1:08:58]: Development here to this community. And I think when most of y'all here, and I'm gonna close by saying this: when most of y'all here, apartments, you think about cheap, inexpensive units that weren't maintained, they weren't taken with consideration. Nobody up here sitting in this council will ever approve a cheap product that's [1:08:58, 1:09:18]: Not take that's not substantial, that will not do what's necessary to make sure that it's moved forward. Because I gotta live down the street myself from 306 new luxury apartments at the Jodico Road development that'll be charging two thousand dollars a month, which is more than my mortgage. So I understand that and I understand. [1:09:18, 1:09:38]: Thank you, Mayor. Welcome. Um ladies and gentlemen, uh make a note of this that uh you're in the council chamber, so please remove your hats. Gentlemen, primarily for you, remove your hats, please. Thank you very much. Ms. Gantt, go ahead, please. Thank you. Um Mayor, before I ask um, I'm not sure if you're [1:09:39, 1:09:51]: Will the development come up? Because I'll probably I was gonna get after you ask your questions. Okay. I Mr. Blount seems like Mr. Blount wants to speak next. After you ask the questions, I'll eventually ask the developer to come up. Yes. Well then I'll wait until they come up. Okay, Mr. Blount, go ahead please. [1:09:53, 1:10:10]: Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um when I was looking at this, you you're looking at low density, medium density, and high density. Um in those components that you're bringing in, y the mixed use also is gonna be inclusive of buyers and renters. Yes, sir. [1:10:10, 1:10:11]: Um [1:10:13, 1:10:15]: What percentage of renters [1:10:16, 1:10:30]: Versus there will be there will there will be three hundred and sixty apartment units and a hundred and two fee simple townhomes. So I would say seventy five percent of the development would be renters. So you basically approximately seventy five percent. [1:10:30, 1:10:33]: So basically what you're moving into the community [1:10:34, 1:10:40]: is more of a rental community than a home ownership community. Is that what you're saying? Um [1:10:40, 1:10:52]: I mean yes, but it's not that simple. I mean No, i it really is that simple. I mean I mean w we're talking about the quality of development and what the development actually is. [1:10:52, 1:11:02]: And then when you talk about percentage of development, which is renters and buyers, and when you tell me seventy plus percent is gonna be renters, I mean it doesn't get that simpler than that. [1:11:02, 1:11:07]: Yes, sir. They have a a commercial component uh as well, uh forty eight thousand square feet. [1:11:07, 1:11:24]: Well, uh commercial components is is a added addition to what my concerns are when it comes to rental communities and buying a home. Uh and I I heard one of my colleagues talk about transitions and that's fine. But my concerns is [1:11:25, 1:11:29]: is what the actual development is and not the commercial component to it. [1:11:29, 1:11:48]: And so the co the the actual development is seventy plus percent renters. Yes, that's that was just approximate approximate an approximation for me, sir, but I didn't Well let's go down to sixty percent. Over half the development is gonna be renters. Yeah, more than half, yes sir. But uh the applicant is here and and they'll speak to that uh when they get up. [1:11:48, 1:11:49]: Thank you. All right. [1:11:50, 1:12:00]: And you know the council member, you know. And I believe it's uh not quite seventy five percent, but uh in that aspect not quite that high. Mm-hmm. It's more than fifty percent. Go ahead, go ahead, sir. [1:12:01, 1:12:04]: The the only thing that I will say is that [1:12:05, 1:12:19]: You know, I I'm a realtor myself. This is what I do for a living, okay? Now, let me let me explain one thing to you. Every last one of us and every last neighborhood, every time a a single family home goes up for sale, who buys it? [1:12:20, 1:12:22]: The rental company buys it, right? [1:12:22, 1:12:42]: In every single family neighborhood, what's driving the sales in your neighborhood? When you're a homeowner and you're trying to buy a property, you know, the the home next door to me sold to a rental company. The one down the street sold for to a rental company. It it's like, you know, it used to be well, okay, well, we can segment the renters over here. [1:12:42, 1:13:02]: Here, but the rentals are already in your neighborhood right now. As a matter of fact, we had a subdivision uh right down here uh called Pine View where the developer double-crossed us. They came in, they asked for a single-family residential neighborhood, and then what they to proceeded to do was build about five. [1:13:02, 1:13:22]: homes to ten homes in that subdivision and then they sold every last one of those homes to a rental company. So the subdivision, the first five homeowners bought their home and the rip and the 60 home remaining homes they sold they ripped they leased those homes out right now. So it's just it's just not that simple. It's very complicated. [1:13:22, 1:13:42]: As he says, and certainly want to make sure that we do the right thing in terms of overall balance uh in the in the community. But trust and believe when you see a for sale sign go up in your neighborhood, progress, rental, residential, or buying those homes right and left. And you look at the map, the heat map that was put out by uh [1:13:42, 1:14:02]: the Atlanta Regional Commission or and I saw it on the media the other day where on the South Side they were just buying up homes right and left. So to say that all the renters are in a res or in a residential apartment not quite accurate because as you move, I know my subdivision now you know every [1:14:02, 1:14:22]: Every other home almost is a renter. And what we did to do to fight that is what we require every zoning to come before us to require that those homes be single family owner occupied. We did we had to do that because this developer double crossed us and turned a whole [1:14:22, 1:14:27]: So it's a very complex issue it is. [1:14:27, 1:14:40]: Okay, if there no other comments from the council at this time, I would last ask the developer to come on up and and uh wanna Miss Bowler to come on up and uh speak and address the the council and uh residents here. [1:14:42, 1:14:57]: Go ahead, Miss Battle, please. Good evening. Michelle Battle with Battle Law 3562, Habersham at North Lake, Tucker, Georgia, 30084. Um I'm gonna go ahead and uh put up our presentation. [1:14:59, 1:15:10]: Can get that up here. There we go. All right. Um, and I will try to address some of the questions um during my presentation um that have been raised um by the board. [1:15:13, 1:15:33]: Um as in already indicated by staff, we're looking at a sixty-nine acre uh track. We've added in um a portion of the adjacent property, um which is a smaller um uh parcel. We're actually only taking one point two six acres of that in the staff recommendation under the zoning uh [1:15:33, 1:15:47]: We will be addressing that particular issue. This is kind of just a on street view of Lake Spivey right at the intersection where the property is located. [1:15:48, 1:16:08]: Again, as staff has indicated, we are looking to do two things. One to change the zoning for the PUD, but also to go from the low density vertical, I think it is, land use designation to high density. And we believe that that is really appropriate based on the location of this property. [1:16:08, 1:16:28]: When you look at the intersection at Lake Spivey and 138, and you also look at its proximity to I-75, this is a very heavy, intense commercial corridor that we're looking at. And what we are proposing is to help continue to elevate that area by bringing in a very high [1:16:28, 1:16:48]: high quality mixed use um product into the area that will help to feed into the continued development of that commercial corridor. As uh Councilmember Alexander has put so eloquently, there is certainly a belief that you have to have the rooftops in order [1:16:48, 1:17:08]: To actually attract the type of development and the type of retail that you want along that corridor. I think you've got a great start to it, but there is additional land there that can be developed for commercial usage, and we want to be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem along that corridor. When we look at the over [1:17:08, 1:17:28]: Overall, site plan, what you're seeing here is the commercial component of the project here at the front that will have um access immediately off of Lake Spivey. Um down to the south is the multifamily component of the project, and then we also have um the single family um [1:17:28, 1:17:34]: attached town home units um that will be for sale that are also located on the property. [1:17:35, 1:17:55]: But I think you know when we go into projects such as this, it's really about who's going to be developing it and what is their history in uh the area. And we're looking at Crescent Communities, who is actually going to be the developer of this particular project. Um, Crescent Communities is a nationally recognized market leading real estate investor. [1:17:55, 1:18:15]: um developer and operating uh operator of mixed-use communities. Um they've been around since 1968. Um they've won numerous awards including the National Association of Home Builders and uh Crescent Communities uh twenty nineteen multifamily developer um of the year um award um they also um [1:18:15, 1:18:35]: Um have been developing um throughout um the US. And when we look at their substantial holdings, they've got over 5.6 billion uh dollars in holdings and they are very active in the market. Um they are developing high quality um communities and uh have an approach um that they believe um [1:18:35, 1:18:55]: is very sound basis and when you look at the types of projects that they have built, this is not a quote low-end uh retail or um multifamily housing developer. Um they have um developed these projects that you're seeing before you very significant developments um very modern technology um architectural features [1:18:55, 1:19:15]: On the sites that they have. And you can see here that their markets run across the U.S. primarily on South Side. So in Denver, Salt Lake, Phoenix, Austin, they've been in Texas, Dallas, Nashville. They've gone up as high as Washington, D.C., in the Atlantic. [1:19:14, 1:19:18]: area but also in the Florida area as well. [1:19:19, 1:19:39]: Um their approach is very much modern communities um with a progressive slant to them. Um they're very much into um the features and and building community and that is what they want to do here. When we look at the project that they recently uh had approved over in Covington, Georgia, um what they did is something similar, but we believe [1:19:39, 1:19:59]: That this project is even more uh along the lines of what we hope that the city would like to see. Um, in this particular project, they've got um multifamily here around the side with an existing uh shopping center that they were um updating and renovating. And um it does not, however, contain uh [1:19:59, 1:20:03]: uh the town home component that we are proposing on this particular site. [1:20:03, 1:20:23]: So when we look at this site in particular, we can see here that when you come in off of what would be the interest into Lake Spive, it's kind of like a boulevard-ish type entrance into the project where there'll be a roundabout that will allow for access to both the townhome community and the multifamily. [1:20:23, 1:20:43]: Home community, which lies here to the rear, will be front entry. But we are looking at this having a walking trail around the perimeter near the more environmentally sensitive areas along the perimeter of the site. And then when we come into the multifamily component of the project. [1:20:43, 1:21:03]: We also have a very nice amenity area that is being proposed, as you can see here. This is not a low-end multifamily community, and we'll get into what the price points are on there. But we are looking here at the clubhouse in the swimming pool area. This is really designed, and if you haven't been [1:21:03, 1:21:23]: And have kids. I know myself, I have a 29-year-old daughter who lives in a very, very nice complex in North Carolina. And I can tell you that the amenities and the overall feel of those complexes are so much different than what you would have seen back then. [1:21:23, 1:21:43]: In the 60s, 70s, 80s, they are very high-tech, and quite honestly, they really um pull against a lot of young people wanting to go into residential subdivisions because, as my daughter said, why should I go into a residential subdivision when I can stay in an apartment complex that literally has concierge services? [1:21:43, 1:22:03]: Um that will bring uh someone in to uh clean my home if I need it. I've got a swimming pool, I've got um all the amenities, including as you see in this one, um, where we've got working space um for um young folks if they want to come in and work from home. They have those spaces within the interior. They have um a uh [1:22:03, 1:22:23]: Fitness center as well. All the amenities, latest amenities, and upgraded interiors as well, stainless steel, appliances, islands, all the stuff that you would expect in a very high-end product. And then we also have the townhome component. And what we did with the townhomes [1:22:23, 1:22:43]: And the reason why we have that is we want the folks who live in this community to know that if they want to leave out of their apartments, they can move immediately, stay within this area, but move into a fee simple ownership situation. And they don't have to leave out of this wonderful community that we are looking to develop. Those townhomes, um, you're looking here. [1:22:43, 1:23:03]: At some of the interiors. And again, we believe that this is a project that really deserves the opportunity to be approved here in the city. We look at the community engagement we've had. We've had two community meetings. We sent out notices to those 78 property owners in the area in accordance with the requirements. [1:23:03, 1:23:05]: [4985.7, 4995.7]: Excuse me. Could you back up to the previous photo? I didn't get a chance to see that. Yeah, sorry. Um we had two community meetings. We sent out No no the one before that, the picture. [1:23:20, 1:23:27]: This is what's inside? These are the types of interiors, yes, that you will have with a standalone tube. [1:23:29, 1:23:37]: Um these are the type of features um that w that they have designed in the projects that they've had when they've done the townhome units, yes. [1:23:38, 1:23:39]: So [1:23:42, 1:24:02]: Um the outside well I I I want to make sure I don't lose any of my time. You've got plenty of time. Audience, you you uh you you can't ask those particular questions unless you eventually do a public comment. You have a public comment session. Go ahead, please. These are the exteriors. Um they will be built in accordance with the city's new requirements um with regards to um [1:24:02, 1:24:22]: Exterior finishes. You can see here what we are proposing on the site. And when we look here at um what the apartments will have, these units will be anywhere from 720 to 1350 square feet. [1:24:22, 1:24:26]: But you can see interestingly enough we've got only ten percent three bedrooms. [1:24:27, 1:24:47]: 30% two bedrooms and 60% one bedrooms, and that's very intentional. Again, we are not looking to develop a project where we're gonna have a lot of families. What we are looking to do is to provide an alternative living opportunity for young people. Um, a lot of folks who are coming out of uh college who [1:24:47, 1:25:07]: Are getting into their first jobs, they need a place to live. And a lot of them don't want to live in single family, detached product. And a lot of them that do want to live in single detached product or single family product and ownership, they want a townhome. It's much easier to take care of and to maintain. [1:25:07, 1:25:19]: A lot of them are in and out of town and so therefore um you know young people these days are much more um fluid in how they uh address their um uh [1:25:19, 1:25:39]: Employment, you know, they may have contracts where they're in and out. And so it's important to them to have some flexibility with where they live at. And so having an uh apartment complex really does resonate for having young people stay in this area and have a place. [1:25:39, 1:25:59]: Place to live. We will have garages available for some of the units, about 500 parking spaces. There'll be a pool, a clubhouse, a fitness center, co-working spaces, the multi-use trail. It will be a gated community. The rental prices will be anywhere from$1,300 for a one-bedroom to$2,000 for a two-bedroom. [1:25:59, 1:26:19]: To$2,200 for a three-bedroom unit. And if this were in fact approved, we will be looking at developing this project and having build out in May of 2023. For the townhomes, we're looking at 1,900 to 2,100 square foot with three bedrooms, two-car garages, a two-car parking pad. [1:26:19, 1:26:39]: they'll also have their own pool, clubhouse, and access to the multi-use trail. And we believe that the um uh starting prices on these homes will actually um be in the high 350s as every day goes by it seems like pricing is going up not down so um we are looking at the high 300s now for these units [1:26:39, 1:26:47]: And we are willing to actually do a rental cap if necessary on the site as well. Again [1:26:48, 1:27:08]: Um some of the questions that were raised about the rental component of this project. The bottom line is um we know that there has to be a diversity of housing product. Everyone cannot live in a single family detached product. Um we have all uh at least I know for myself. [1:27:07, 1:27:27]: I won't speak for everybody in here. Well, we've all been renters. Um, a lot of us have been renters at various points in time. Um, it is a a step towards home ownership. People have to have a place to learn. When you're getting a$350,000 to$400,000 house, where are people supposed to learn how to pay that type of a mortgage payment and all the other things that go along with it? [1:27:27, 1:27:47]: With it. These are opportunities for um young adults and others to be able to come into a beautiful community, one that is at a high standard that will have a professional property management company that will be operating it. It will not be like the situations you have very often in these communities where you're getting companies coming in. [1:27:47, 1:28:07]: And buying one or two homes or or more in a community where you've got a bunch of different landlords, so to speak, within one community. So one may have a process for doing criminal background checks, and somebody else may not. You'll have a you have a varying range when you're in a single-family detach process. [1:28:07, 1:28:27]: With people just buying homes. In this product, you'll have one property owner, one management company for the multifamily. If there's any problems, any issues, you'll be able to go to that one property management company and owner to address those types of issues. It is a mixed-use project. And when you look at the commercial piece, we want to [1:28:27, 1:28:47]: be able to bring in things such as uh a little or other um higher end restaurants that would be um other than uh kind of your typical um uh fast food type joints we want to be able to bring in quality um retailers and restaurants into this area as well and in order [1:28:47, 1:29:07]: Order to do that, we have to have the rooftops and we have to have the price points. And we believe that these price points are right in that sweet spot to bring those types of retailers, and that's why we've got the 48,000 square feet of uh commercial uh development on this site as well. So this is an integrated site, it's not just um townhomes, it's not just multi-scale. [1:29:07, 1:29:27]: Multifamily. It's not just commercial. These are working in conjunction with each other in order to raise up the quality of development on this corner. And we believe this is a great opportunity for growth and development along the corridor. We're here to answer any questions you may have. We do have folks from Crescent Communities here with us today. [1:29:27, 1:29:31]: Today and if they if I can't answer a question, I'm sure they will be able to. [1:29:31, 1:29:51]: All right, Ms. Battle, thanks a lot. I appreciate that. Uh Council and Citizens, uh I stand corrected. I want to restate something I said earlier. After I looked at it further in reference to the apartment to the townhomes about seventy eight percent. But this is the third time I've received this presentation uh on this development. And currently the the council once you have the public uh [1:29:51, 1:30:08]: uh view uh public comments the council's gonna vote on this but currently I have to tell you I'm in favor of this project. I think it's a good thing for our city. That's my initial thoughts on that. Well hold on you're gonna get your opp you're gonna get your opportunity to speak folks. Hold on. Hold on. You're gonna get your opportunity to speak. I acknowledge that and it will happen. [1:30:08, 1:30:22]: But it will happen soon shortly. But the council has some additional questions, I'm pretty sure. All right? So on that note, any additional questions? Uh uh one step by I'm gonna go up m uh with Mayor Protect, because you haven't had a chance to speak yet. Yes. Go ahead please. [1:30:22, 1:30:26]: Thank you, Mayor. Um, first of all, let me say I I appreciate [1:30:27, 1:30:29]: All of you for coming out. [1:30:30, 1:30:31]: Um [1:30:32, 1:30:49]: I grew up in this area and I remember when and I know the particular area where where you live and I know what it looked like um years ago when there were peach orchids all over that particular area. [1:30:50, 1:31:08]: But one thing I I wanna just mention here and Mrs. Balder, I I I appreciate your presentation and Councilman Alexander, I appreciate yours. And Councilwoman Gantt, you mentioned a couple of things, uh land use and comprehensive plan. [1:31:09, 1:31:12]: One thing we all have to understand about [1:31:14, 1:31:17]: the city of Stockbridge and where we live [1:31:17, 1:31:37]: And the municipality and the role that we play in growth and development in our city. You've heard terms like housing stock, land use, comprehensive plan. [1:31:37, 1:31:38]: Zone in [1:31:41, 1:31:43]: This is where we are. [1:31:43, 1:31:48]: This is what we're charged with to make sure and to ensure. [1:31:48, 1:31:51]: That when these developments come to our area. [1:31:52, 1:31:56]: that they come with the best [1:31:57, 1:31:59]: that can be offered into the community. [1:32:00, 1:32:04]: I understand no one's wants to see [1:32:05, 1:32:10]: growth come around them. As I mentioned, I grew up here. [1:32:10, 1:32:14]: And yes, I would probably prefer [1:32:14, 1:32:18]: To have it the way it was back in the day myself. [1:32:19, 1:32:22]: But it just doesn't happen. [1:32:23, 1:32:26]: Іджес дозн хан. [1:32:27, 1:32:31]: We would not be able to stop growth. [1:32:31, 1:32:33]: Anywhere in this country. [1:32:34, 1:32:36]: Anywhere on this planet [1:32:37, 1:32:39]: You cannot stop growth. [1:32:39, 1:32:42]: But what you have to do is to control [1:32:43, 1:32:45]: And to get in proactively with [1:32:46, 1:32:48]: Not to respond to [1:32:49, 1:32:51]: to what's coming here tonight. [1:32:52, 1:32:53]: But to be proactive [1:32:54, 1:33:00]: and to ensure that what comes into your neighborhood, it is what you want. [1:33:00, 1:33:07]: Now I know we're all reactionary. You know, we don't believe in planning not in cases like this. [1:33:07, 1:33:12]: But we react to something once it come. But once we react to it. [1:33:13, 1:33:14]: It's in motion. [1:33:15, 1:33:26]: And it is hard to stop. Now I've been elected official for a while and there have been a number of development that have come before us. [1:33:26, 1:33:38]: And s and the majority of them have passed and even in the county and some of you may be familiar with the development on flippin' roads, the old Hans Broder farm. [1:33:39, 1:33:45]: It was three time as many citizens that came out to contest that and to oppose that. [1:33:46, 1:33:48]: But the counter passed that anyway. [1:33:49, 1:33:53]: They talked about the increase in schools. [1:33:54, 1:33:57]: uh trafic on the streets [1:33:57, 1:34:00]: So it's nothing that we have not heard but [1:34:01, 1:34:02]: But [1:34:03, 1:34:09]: It's a challenge for us to be able to maneuver through all of that. [1:34:10, 1:34:12]: And do what is best for [1:34:12, 1:34:14]: The city of Stockbridge. [1:34:15, 1:34:29]: And and we try to do just that and that's why we hire staff, we have staff here, it is their job to present uh land use plan, the comprehensive plan, zoning. [1:34:29, 1:34:44]: to make sure that when we go about doing these things, we do the best we can to make sure we get the best product that we can for the city of Stargrid. I understand where you're coming from and y you don't want this next door. [1:34:45, 1:34:46]: But [1:34:47, 1:34:49]: You cannot stop growth. [1:34:50, 1:34:55]: So in closing for us, my statement, this is a challenge that we have. [1:34:57, 1:34:59]: In the city of Stockbridge, the [1:35:00, 1:35:03]: We have to make sure that there is housing stock. [1:35:04, 1:35:05]: Available [1:35:06, 1:35:13]: for your kids, for people that are looking to move into the city of Stockbridge. [1:35:14, 1:35:17]: Oftentimes we get land locked in [1:35:18, 1:35:21]: And there are no available units. [1:35:21, 1:35:30]: For anyone to move in. I've had several friends that moved out of the city because they wanted to upgrade. [1:35:31, 1:35:33]: From where they were living [1:35:33, 1:35:42]: But there was nothing available for them to upgrade to. So they moved out of the city of Stock. They did not want to. [1:35:42, 1:35:49]: But that housing it was not available for them. So we are tasked with [1:35:49, 1:35:54]: making sure that we do the best for the [1:35:55, 1:35:56]: Total. [1:35:56, 1:36:03]: City of Stockbridge. And I j I just want you to be able to understand that. And if any one of you [1:36:04, 1:36:06]: We're setting up here where we are. [1:36:07, 1:36:13]: and and get into the training and get into understanding of all of this minutiae. [1:36:14, 1:36:16]: You will see it from a different perspective. [1:36:17, 1:36:29]: So I just wanted to just share that is that this is not easy for us to be able to do that when even if you were not here, it would still be hard for us to sort of make these decisions. [1:36:30, 1:36:31]: But we have to. [1:36:32, 1:36:39]: We have to make a decision. I I I don't know what that decision's gonna be. I've had several calls, even one of my best friends. [1:36:40, 1:36:50]: Stand by folks, relax please. You get your opportunity. Oh god, I'm sorry, I I didn't hear that. But but one of my best friends are here tonight and he is opposed [1:36:50, 1:36:59]: Uh to this. I won't call his name, but I spoke with him coming in. But one of my best friends are here and he is opposed. But I cannot be clouded. [1:37:00, 1:37:15]: by that because he's one of my best friends. I still have to do what is best for the city. So Mayor Ford, I'm gonna yield because I know you all are w ready to um speak your peace and that's why you're here. Mr Block, go ahead please. [1:37:16, 1:37:26]: Thank you, Mayor. Ms. Battle, thanks for coming and giving us your uh presentation. Good to see you again. Yes, sir. Uh one of the things about me is that when I make decisions on anything, um [1:37:26, 1:37:28]: Before I became a council member. [1:37:29, 1:37:49]: We all still citizens. So I have to put myself, if I was a citizen looking at this development, would I want this? When I look at the percentage of renters, over 70% of renters coming in, you you you're talking about 60% of the project, uh the property is gonna be a probably one bedroom because I look at the one bedroom and sixty percent of it. [1:37:49, 1:37:50]: But [1:37:50, 1:37:58]: Mm-hmm. And so when you look at you take all the components of it, and I'm and I'm a true believer in growth. Trust me, I'm a true believer in growth, but I'm a true believer in smart growth. [1:38:00, 1:38:02]: And when we make decisions up here. [1:38:03, 1:38:13]: We have to remember that we're making decisions not for each other, but for the citizens. For the for the for the ones that put us in office. And so when I look at the [1:38:16, 1:38:36]: Cho trust me, that wasn't for a hand clap, but thank you. But when we make decisions, we have to make decisions not for each other, but we have to make decisions as as we would as citizens. Because after this, I'm still a citizen. Absolutely. And when we look at this for me, when I look at this project, this th these properties, when I look at the different [1:38:36, 1:38:47]: Land use because even up now, have you guys did a feasibility study of f when it came to the uh I say you haven't done a uh an actual um uh an official feasibility study of a traffic, is that correct? [1:38:48, 1:39:08]: Um we were not required to do a traffic study. We did do a trip generation report and we also have been able to um examine what the current traffic uh count is along uh Lake Spivey and it is not at capacity. I know that that's hard for maybe some of the residents to believe um whether or not there's traffic improvements that need to be made. [1:39:08, 1:39:11]: made. Um that is for G Dot to make that determination. [1:39:11, 1:39:21]: Gotcha. So for me is that when we talk about smart growth, we look at this project in itself in a different components. [1:39:21, 1:39:25]: And I'm sure that in each component of this project [1:39:25, 1:39:26]: is probably quality. [1:39:27, 1:39:29]: But in its totality for me. [1:39:30, 1:39:31]: It doesn't work. [1:39:31, 1:39:36]: Because when you say homes are gonna be three hundred and fifty thousand dollars plus, mm-hmm. [1:39:37, 1:39:40]: And then you're talking about sixty percent of the rental homes. Mm-hmm. [1:39:41, 1:39:42]: are going to be [1:39:42, 1:39:44]: Seven hundred fifty square feet. [1:39:44, 1:39:44]: Mm-hmm. [1:39:45, 1:39:45]: For me. [1:39:46, 1:39:49]: As a citizen, I wouldn't want that. [1:39:50, 1:40:01]: I wouldn't want those combination, that culmination of a community. When we talked since Flip and Road was thrown into the bunch, I went to that meeting down at the county w before they built the Flip and Road. Mm-hmm. [1:40:01, 1:40:05]: And this is nothing compared to the citizens that was in that meeting down at the county. [1:40:06, 1:40:08]: And each citizen that left there saw [1:40:08, 1:40:11]: an infrastructure that needed to be repaired. [1:40:11, 1:40:26]: that haven't been set and repaired, yet you have development coming in there that's gonna flood a road that's been flooded every day. I have to think as a citizen because I can't tell you how long I'm gonna be on this council and I have to deal with the very things that I'm voting on. [1:40:27, 1:40:28]: And so that's my take on it. [1:40:30, 1:40:31]: Councilmember if I [1:40:36, 1:40:56]: I if I could if I could respond a little bit to your comment. I think one of the things to remember is that this property is sixty-nine acres. Um it has a commercial um land use designation or uh as well as some others here, C one, C two, and I think uh um mixed use um component to it. The [1:40:56, 1:41:08]: Land use that is currently on there does actually allow for apartments. I don't think that that needs to be lost in this audience today. Um if one were coming in to just comply with the existing land use, the issue is the height. [1:41:09, 1:41:29]: um and the density that is allowed on on the site. But uh apartments are a component of the current land use um consideration that's on the property now. Um, but at no higher than two unit, two two stories. So what you would basically be putting in is kind of an old school [1:41:29, 1:41:30]: Apartment complex. [1:41:30, 1:41:32]: I don't think that's what you want. [1:41:32, 1:41:52]: I don't think you want an old school apartment complex because that's not competing with what's going on in other areas of the county and it in the city. Um this is a high rise. We're at three levels here, I believe three three levels here. So we went up one, so we wanted to go up one to provide a better quality product. [1:41:52, 1:42:07]: These are interior corridor units. This is not your standard old school apartment complex where you enter it from the outside with the outside doors. These are interior corridor. This is a high-end product. [1:42:08, 1:42:13]: A lot of folks in this community are gonna be paying much more for their um [1:42:15, 1:42:35]: rent than people are paying for their mortgages in the surrounding area. These units and the combination with the single family with the townhomes, that is something that is happening throughout the country, but definitely in the metro Atlanta area. I do a lot of zoning throughout the metro Atlanta area. [1:42:34, 1:42:45]: Um this is what people are moving towards. If you don't mind, let me interject on that because I don't want to give a a false facade of what's when it comes to renters and buyers [1:42:45, 1:42:48]: Anytime the market crashes or whatever happened [1:42:48, 1:42:54]: Homeowners have incentives that come through federal government or anything they can salt and seek. [1:42:54, 1:42:56]: in order to keep their homes. [1:42:56, 1:43:01]: Mm-hmm. Renters doesn't have that opportunity. Even what we're seeing right now today. [1:43:01, 1:43:04]: with the sink with the x with with covet [1:43:05, 1:43:06]: Look at the news. [1:43:06, 1:43:09]: The renters right now are trying to say where am I gonna live? [1:43:10, 1:43:11]: What am I going to do? [1:43:11, 1:43:19]: So if this mixed use was in the commun in a community where now the rent is saying, What am I gonna do? What does that do to the community? [1:43:20, 1:43:22]: What does that do? I'm I'm saying you you can't put [1:43:23, 1:43:31]: You can't put home ownership and renters on the same level of opportunities and how they can handle different situations. That's all. [1:43:32, 1:43:33]: I'm I'm gonna [1:43:34, 1:43:36]: I I can only say this. [1:43:37, 1:43:40]: People make a choice of how they choose to live. [1:43:40, 1:43:45]: I agree. And there are people who choose to live and buy a home. [1:43:46, 1:43:52]: There's no question about that. There are many people that are sitting in this audience that are blessed that they had the down payment. [1:43:53, 1:44:03]: that they had the credit score, that they had all the things necessary to go in and buy their home. Some people um make another choice. [1:44:03, 1:44:11]: We see that a lot with our kids these days. A lot of them are making different choices than we would have made when we were their age. [1:44:12, 1:44:17]: They are making the choice um to stay in apartments. They are making the choice to rent [1:44:18, 1:44:38]: as opposed to own because they're making different choices about how they choose to spend their money. For some of them, they would rather invest that money in a business as opposed to investing it in a house. Everybody makes choices. Everybody should have a right to a place to live, an equality place to live. When we look at the um housing stock in the apartment [1:44:38, 1:44:41]: [6283.1, 6299.0]: I would ask you, would you want to live in the majority of it? Would you want your kids to live in the majority of it? If you want your kids or if you want young people um to come back into this community that don't have the desire to own a home or can't own a home yet. [1:44:59, 1:45:02]: Most of these kids have school loans. [1:45:03, 1:45:05]: That would rival a mortgage payment. [1:45:07, 1:45:19]: On top of trying to have a place to live, and so the opportunity even save the money, the down payment, for a three hundred and fifty thousand dollar town home. [1:45:20, 1:45:23]: You're not coming into that with a couple of thousand dollars. [1:45:25, 1:45:32]: You've got to have what five to six percent of the down payment in order to get in there. And if you don't, then you have to pay PMI. [1:45:33, 1:45:44]: You know, there there is a heavy price to get into home ownership these days. It's not like when I bought a house in uh Atlanta when I first moved down here and paid$103,000 for it. That's not where we're at now. [1:45:45, 1:46:03]: So I think that there has to be an opportunity and a place in Stockbridge. It cannot be every place in Stockbridge. And if not here, I don't know where you put it because we're on the outside of the residential community. We're not on the interior of the residential community. We're near the highway. [1:46:03, 1:46:22]: We're adjacent to other commercial development. We're on a heavy commercial corridor and we're on property that was already anticipated by this city as being mixed use. So all we're doing is trying to get a better quality and a higher height. [1:46:23, 1:46:43]: In in closing, I thank you, Ms. Batter, but one of the things that I try not to do is create hypotheticals to create a narrative that would fit me. I just looked at it. No hypothetical here. It's reality. Well, th that's fine. And and one of the things we have to be careful and cautious about is that what we do and what we say for me [1:46:43, 1:46:53]: I'm only one man, one vote. Yes, sir. I just have to always know that I'm on both sides of the fence as an elected official and as a citizen. Thank you. I respect that. Thank you, Councilmember Blount. [1:46:54, 1:47:07]: And any other comments down here from the council? I have a comment. You do, Ms. Gantt I have questions. You have questions? And comments. And comments. Yes? [1:47:07, 1:47:13]: You you can wait? Okay, go ahead. All right, Ms. Gamp. Go ahead, please. Um Ms. Battle, uh a couple of questions. [1:47:14, 1:47:34]: W the units that are located the map you showed is that is all in Stockbridge, correct? The city limits to Stockbridge? Yes, ma'am. Will there be additional units located behind that or New York that is in Clayton County? Will there be other units? Not n not for us. So this is we have nothing to do with anything outside of the jurisdictional [1:47:34, 1:47:37]: Okay. So this is the total project. Yes, ma'am. [1:47:38, 1:47:38]: All right. [1:47:39, 1:47:49]: Um in regards to the renting versus ownership, that's not as big of a concern of mine as as a parent for me. [1:47:49, 1:47:56]: And I I know legally I can't consider the schools. I know that this Georgia is looking into that. [1:47:56, 1:48:00]: But um my children are at Red Oak Elementary School. [1:48:00, 1:48:02]: And the closest school [1:48:02, 1:48:11]: to that location is Red Oak Elementary School. That my children are no longer at Red Oak Elementary, one um finished up. But Red Oak is the closest. [1:48:12, 1:48:14]: And at that school right now. [1:48:14, 1:48:18]: The capacity in those classrooms are twenty five to thirty kids. [1:48:19, 1:48:32]: Now I looked at the numbers you crunched, you said ten percent for three bedroom apartment. If I did that's thirty-six, let's say that's thirty-six apartments out of the three hundred and sixty, correct? Correct. Thirty-six times nine. [1:48:33, 1:48:44]: would be the what, one oh eight, about one oh eight uh people if it was three peop one person in each bedroom, which I very seriously doubt. But when you do five and that's just ten percent. [1:48:45, 1:48:47]: We're at a hundred and eighty people right there. [1:48:48, 1:48:50]: На май біг с концерн. [1:48:50, 1:49:06]: Yes. I'm just to make sure I'm understanding how people think and you're saying uh all of them are children? No, no, no. Not all of them are children. Okay. That's not what I'm saying. Okay. We're already busting at the seams at the school that those children would go to already. So they're all it's already maxed out. I'm not even uh [1:49:06, 1:49:10]: I've already given you the numbers there. The classroom averages between twenty five to thirty. [1:49:11, 1:49:11]: Kids. [1:49:13, 1:49:14]: In our classroom. [1:49:14, 1:49:14]: Mm-hmm. [1:49:15, 1:49:16]: At the elementary school. [1:49:16, 1:49:19]: that is closest to that location. [1:49:20, 1:49:23]: My biggest w that's one of my largest concerns. [1:49:23, 1:49:24]: Um [1:49:26, 1:49:29]: I'm also concerned with the amount [1:49:29, 1:49:35]: of the development being three hundred units, three hundred apartment units. That's a lot. [1:49:36, 1:49:42]: And although we're zoned right now for low density with [1:49:42, 1:49:55]: Apartments. With apartments? You're saying apartments could go there with low density? I don't think that would be financially feasible or but make financial sense for them to build with that low density right now. So that doesn't scare me. [1:49:56, 1:49:57]: That doesn't scare me. [1:49:57, 1:50:00]: I am very much so concerned about quality, but [1:50:01, 1:50:02]: I'm a real estate attorney. [1:50:03, 1:50:08]: And I am not. I live in this community, just like each and every one of you. [1:50:08, 1:50:08]: Mm. [1:50:09, 1:50:15]: My biggest concerns are to make sure that whatever we agree on. [1:50:15, 1:50:17]: Would be reasonable [1:50:17, 1:50:17]: Mm-hmm. [1:50:18, 1:50:20]: And right now it doesn't look reasonable to me. [1:50:20, 1:50:20]: Yep. [1:50:22, 1:50:25]: And I will not vote on it like it is right now. [1:50:26, 1:50:29]: The mixed use development. [1:50:29, 1:50:42]: All of right from my understanding, anything we have right now built and multi-use or we're asking for subdivisions and different things of our planning right now to include mixed use, to include a commercial component. [1:50:43, 1:50:51]: But we all know we can't determine what goes into that commercial component. What what store is gonna actually pop up in there. [1:50:52, 1:50:56]: I'm not fooled by that and I'm actually taking I'm I'm kinda offended. [1:50:57, 1:50:59]: By the statement to think that I would be. [1:51:00, 1:51:04]: What I am saying here is that [1:51:04, 1:51:08]: I don't think that this is in the best interest of Stockbridge. [1:51:14, 1:51:15]: I want growth. [1:51:17, 1:51:19]: I want growth, but I want smart growth. [1:51:20, 1:51:24]: I want smart growth. I'm not impressed by the swimming pools. [1:51:24, 1:51:30]: I'm not impressed by one of them being smaller or bigger. I want smart growth. And I what I'm seeing here. [1:51:31, 1:51:33]: From the town homes again. [1:51:34, 1:51:52]: Councilman Alexander is absolutely correct. People are going into our neighborhoods and buying and renter property renter communities are being bought. Some are being bought by the whole entire neighborhood. That's fine. They're maintaining the lawns. They're doing everything that a normal apartment complex would do as well. I'm not discriminating. [1:51:54, 1:51:57]: I'm not discriminating on that, but I am concerned as a parent. [1:51:58, 1:52:07]: I'm concerned because I just spoke to Dr. Akbar at Red Oak Elementary School, who's a principal, right before I came and did the Pledge of Allegiance. [1:52:08, 1:52:13]: And I said, Doctor Atvar, we're having this meeting and I just I wanna make sure I got these numbers right. [1:52:15, 1:52:19]: Twenty five to thirty kids in our classrooms now. [1:52:21, 1:52:24]: There's no that's the closest elementary school. [1:52:24, 1:52:27]: And I'm I'm not saying all of'em are gonna go to school. [1:52:27, 1:52:36]: But I'm saying we're already busting at the seams. So my answer is no, unless we come up with something else reasonable. And I know we got to we have [1:52:42, 1:52:55]: Wait, Ms. Barber. Please. I won't um repeat some of the questions that Councilwoman Gantt uh in the statement she made. Uh the rental cap was a concern. Um I see [1:52:55, 1:52:59]: The rental cap it gives an option of five to ten percent. [1:53:00, 1:53:20]: I said the rental cap would be on the townhome component, which means that there would be no more than five percent to ten percent rentable. You can't go to zero. Um so that would make it clear that those townhome units are intended to be for owner occupancy. They're not intended to be um for rental. Um the rental we want to [1:53:20, 1:53:23]: to keep in the multifamily component. [1:53:24, 1:53:24]: Okay. [1:53:25, 1:53:32]: Um the other question I had was um directly related to some of those [1:53:33, 1:53:37]: concerns we have with all developments. The overcrowding of schools. [1:53:38, 1:53:40]: The roads and infrastructure will be able to [1:53:41, 1:53:43]: Um sustain the growth. [1:53:43, 1:53:55]: Um I know that there is a legal aspect to denying this, um, and that is what I want to hear from our city attorney or someone who could speak to this. [1:53:56, 1:54:13]: So um if I I don't know how you want to respond. I'm so sorry, Mr. Gardner. I didn't know what you wanted me to respond to and what you That's okay, but I think you tell me what you want me to respond to and what you want them to respond. I think Mr. Gardner might be able to answer the question here. Mr. Gardner, could you please come to the front, please? [1:54:27, 1:54:44]: Um Miss Barber, you said you wanted me to answer the question about the legalities of school zoning and transportation. Um under Georgia law you cannot consider school or roads of the colour. I'm sorry, you sound muffled. [1:54:44, 1:54:50]: Under Georgia law, you cannot consider schools or roads in your decision when you look into rezo at zonings. [1:54:51, 1:55:10]: And and I understand that, but I'm a I'm also a parent. And I'm also saying to you, I'm not considering. No, I want to clarify for point of order. Ms. Mr. Alexander, stand by. Go ahead. Let me clarify. Can I finish? Ms. Barber was talking. I didn't finish the talk. Okay, go ahead. I'm sorry. [1:55:10, 1:55:17]: Okay. I just wanted to make sure that we um at least discuss this legal aspect of this. [1:55:17, 1:55:21]: Yes, no. Now knowing that we can't use the overcrowding of schools and [1:55:22, 1:55:23]: Um increas trafic. [1:55:24, 1:55:25]: Um [1:55:25, 1:55:26]: We can [1:55:26, 1:55:27]: Actually [1:55:27, 1:55:29]: Add conditions to the project. [1:55:30, 1:55:36]: Such as reducing the density. I know you all are requesting that we approve the increase or high. [1:55:36, 1:55:37]: Density. [1:55:38, 1:55:38]: Um [1:55:38, 1:55:40]: Perhaps that's something we can consider. [1:55:41, 1:55:41]: Um [1:55:42, 1:55:50]: Perhaps not approving high density, maybe medium or low density. Uh Miss Johnson, is she [1:55:51, 1:55:57]: I guess if you're asking us if we would be willing to reduce the total number of apartment units, is that what you're asking? [1:55:58, 1:56:01]: Apartment units, yes. [1:56:01, 1:56:21]: Okay. I would have to speak with my client about that. Um we have not been asked to do that. We received a recommendation of approval from both staff and the planning commission, so that had not come to the table um to ask for any reduction in the unit uh numbers. Obviously the fewer units we have, the more the um unit prices [1:56:21, 1:56:39]: um within the apartment complex would go up. Um so that's one of the things that we have to take into uh consideration. Um I don't know if you have kind of a number in mind or something that you were you were thinking. Um do you have any specific um unit count that you were considering or you want us to propose something? [1:56:40, 1:56:41]: I'm sorry, repeat that again. [1:56:42, 1:56:52]: Let me take this mask off. I said, um, I'm not certain um if you have a specific number uh in mind or if you want us to propose a number. [1:56:52, 1:57:10]: Oh no, I don't have any specific numbers in mind. Um I can say I was saying that we we received a recommendation of approval from staff and from the planning commission. There was never any discussion about a reduction in the total number. So um before I could tell you a number, I would have to um discuss it with my client. [1:57:10, 1:57:11]: Thank you. [1:57:13, 1:57:17]: And you wanted uh Miss Johnson, Miss Carter to to speak here to some degree? [1:57:18, 1:57:21]: Miss Battle actually answered my questions. Okay. [1:57:21, 1:57:23]: Thank you, Ms. Johnson. [1:57:23, 1:57:36]: And obviously a comment was made earlier in reference to how we address certain issues here. So you need to be very careful about some things that you potentially say. Okay? You got that? Mm-hmm. Can I clarify that? [1:57:36, 1:57:37]: You go ready? Okay. [1:57:38, 1:57:48]: For clarification purposes, my vote is not no because of the schools. Let's make that let's make that clear. It's not no. I am a parent. [1:57:49, 1:57:50]: Okay. [1:57:50, 1:57:55]: But what I'm saying to you is it's not the the reason I'm voting no is not for that. [1:57:55, 1:58:05]: But there is a it's a massive volume of people at one time. They said a trap they didn't do a traffic study, but it's over seven thousand and something day and night. [1:58:06, 1:58:09]: Even right now, and I think that's being modest. [1:58:10, 1:58:12]: I do personally. [1:58:12, 1:58:15]: Now when you crunch the numbers and I just gave you the three hundred and something [1:58:16, 1:58:26]: times five, three eighty with five people in a five person home. I mean five in a three bedroom. That's on average. Five, you know, let's say mother, father, two kids, whatever. Five. [1:58:27, 1:58:30]: Even if it was three, and that's at ten percent. [1:58:31, 1:58:34]: My concern is is that [1:58:35, 1:58:39]: Yes, right now, a multi-use. [1:58:40, 1:58:44]: dwelling could be placed there as its zone right now. [1:58:44, 1:58:52]: But an apartment unit would not be financially feasible. If they wanted to build another two two story'cause they were legal they legally could, fine. [1:58:53, 1:59:01]: But that's not what's being proposed. There's a lot right right now, our comprehensive plan says low density. [1:59:01, 1:59:07]: And so I'm voting on that because of the low density and mixed use requirements. [1:59:07, 1:59:15]: Yes, they meet the mixed use portion, but the low density portion is is not being met, and I don't agree right now and think that it should be. [1:59:16, 1:59:17]: Mm. [1:59:17, 1:59:18]: Yeah, go right ahead. What [1:59:22, 1:59:42]: Go ahead and the sound zone. Listen, uh you know, I'm not gonna play to the crowd. I'm not gonna talk for a round of applause. I'm gonna keep it real. Because right down the street from my home, we got three hundred and six apartment units under construction at the bridges at Jodico Development. And we have town homes. [1:59:42, 2:00:02]: Two and three-story brick brownstone townhomes, a very similar development that we approved. And there'll be a nice uh big box retailer that'll be there pretty soon. So uh in order to get what we want, in order to establish what we want, we uh have [2:00:01, 2:00:13]: to be able to do something that we never done before. You know, I hear voters and I hear uh citizens talk about I want a whole foods. Why can't we get a sprouts? Why can't we get a Starbucks on this side? [2:00:13, 2:00:33]: We're in order to do that, you gotta have the rooftops in order to do it with. We've invested in that at the Jotaco development, and we'll have a Starbucks. Okay. And th those are the type things that work. They tell you what they want you to do in order to move forward with quality development in this area. [2:00:33, 2:00:53]: area. When uh many of you go to the Braze game. You go to a mixed use development at the battery. That's what it is. Every time you go. Every time you go to Atlantic Station, you go to a mixed use development. And when you go over to Fayetteville to the town at Twilleth where they have [2:00:53, 2:01:13]: a a very high end development where it's the homes start at four hundred thousand and go all the way to two million. They're they're they're like this and they their town homes uh rival a million up to a million dollars. That's just what they are and what we do in terms of uh moving the needle forward. But I like Miss uh Ms uh [2:01:13, 2:01:15]: Carter to come to the podium, please. [2:01:16, 2:01:17]: All right, Ms. Carter? [2:01:27, 2:01:30]: Now, Miss Carter, the staff made a recommendation [2:01:31, 2:01:34]: of approval. What is that approval recommendation based on? [2:01:34, 2:01:41]: Well there's a a a number of criteria points that we have to consider, um that the state requires that we consider [2:01:41, 2:01:42]: To [2:01:42, 2:01:51]: Look through and evaluate whether the proposed use or proposed development will meet the requirements for a change for the comp plan. [2:01:52, 2:01:52]: Um [2:01:53, 2:02:13]: The I think there was a question earlier about when the comp plan was actually adopted. It was 2018. We are required by state law to update our comprehensive plan. And part of what our focus would be from the staff level is to look at areas that are closer to the interstate interchanges to make recommendations for those areas. [2:02:13, 2:02:28]: areas where appropriate to be high density. High density in this case is between six and sixteen units. Low density is one to three, and then you have mid, middle, or medium density which is four, four and five. So [2:02:29, 2:02:47]: What we would look at is a number of things. Uh we look at the character of the area. Uh we look at the fact that there's not much residential in Stockbridge, none on that side of of 138 or Lake Spivey. So we're looking at a multitude of things to come up with what the recommendation sh could be. [2:02:48, 2:02:50]: Uh and it was supported by the Planning Commission. [2:02:51, 2:02:56]: As a independent arbiter, you bring this to us and we make the decision, is that correct? [2:02:57, 2:03:17]: I'm sorry. You are independent arbiter. You you bring it to us and the council made the decision. You just bring the facts. We bring the facts. We are the neutral party. Um and then based on our professional review, we make a recommendation. So based on this particular product that you see, Miss Battle made a statement that the product in Stockbridge was [2:03:17, 2:03:23]: uh compared to this. How would what's your professional statement based on this product and what we have in Stockbridge currently? [2:03:24, 2:03:29]: We currently have, you know, we have townhomes on other sides of the city. [2:03:29, 2:03:44]: uh multifamily on other sides of the city. Uh but we don't have anything this close to the interstate interchange that will provide some visibility and some residential homes on this side of I-75. Cause on the other side of course is is Clayton County. [2:03:45, 2:03:56]: Do we have anything even re uh in terms of quality and what we're doing here? Is there a product that that in in Stockbridge currently at this level of quality for these townhomes? [2:03:57, 2:04:02]: Based on what they're proposing, the closest thing would be the Bridges of Jotico project that's being built currently. [2:04:02, 2:04:18]: Okay, and that's the bridges at Jodica, but it's bridges at Jodica is n is is what it's been approved but it's not uh they're doing ground clearing, correct? They haven't built it. They're starting to build put up a couple uh walls now. Okay. Yes. Now, Miss Battle, will you come back to the podium please? [2:04:21, 2:04:25]: Ms. Carver, why don't you stand by? Just stand by please. Right, stay right there. [2:04:25, 2:04:45]: So uh when you when you all are building this product or maybe even the applicant, talk about where you else you're putting this particular product at. So folks can understand that you know, you're not just putting this product anywhere, though talk about the other cities in heat uh around that you're building in that you you [2:04:45, 2:04:48]: You you've established quality bills here. [2:04:50, 2:05:02]: My name's Kyle Brock. I'm with Crescent Communities 3340 Peachtree Road, Atlanta, Georgia. Uh we're the applicant, we're the developer of of all of this. And [2:05:04, 2:05:24]: Let me back up a little bit and answer your question, Councilman Alexander, uh more broadly and specifically about this particular site. Um as Ms. Battle showed you, we develop all over the country, uh mostly mixed use projects and what [2:05:24, 2:05:44]: What attracted us to Stockbridge is the jobs and the people that are attracted to here and specifically to this site. It's right adjacent to this commercial corridor. We would not look to put something like this in a in a more residential area. [2:05:44, 2:05:58]: area that we believe this is a fantastic transitional use from the commercial along the interstate to the residential, the single family detached residential uh to the west of here and to the south. [2:05:59, 2:06:17]: To to answer your your question about where else we're doing this, we we just uh started a project in Covington, Georgia, which has very similar uh characteristics to Stockbridge, and the site has very similar characteristics to to this site in that it's adjacent to the [2:06:18, 2:06:38]: commercial corridor uh very close to the interstate so you're not impacting the roads very far. Uh and and so you get off the interstate and you're you're at this site or in in this case in Covington and you're not having to traverse uh a lot of smaller surface streets. [2:06:38, 2:06:41]: [7602.0, 7622.0]: Uh sorry, did that address your question, sir? Yes, and let me w while we got you up here, you have agreed to put a uh multi-use path, ten foot multi-use path along the frontage of this property where the currently does not have a sidewalk for connectivity, so you will be able to uh not only bu walk walk, right, run. [2:07:02, 2:07:07]: but you'll be able to ride there which will assist the city in building our multi use trail network. Is that correct? [2:07:08, 2:07:28]: That's correct. And we we're big believers and and we learned this in COVID, uh that that outdoor amenities attract people and people really like them, whether they're they're renters or or homeowners. Getting outside and exercising is is a huge [2:07:28, 2:07:48]: component and and amenity uh for for folks these days and that's been something we've been trying to we've been trying to find sites that we can implement these uh these paths. Um we have one in West Midtown in Atlanta that has that we're building a path. This project in Covington is next to their [2:07:48, 2:07:59]: their Eastside Trail, the city's East Side Trail, and uh we're excited to bring uh an additional trail uh to Stockbridge with this project. Okay, so you're building this product in West Midtown, you said? [2:07:59, 2:08:03]: Yes, sir. Okay, Miss Battle, the last thing I'm gonna say, you come back up. [2:08:03, 2:08:08]: Pull up the photo or the rendering of the entire neighborhood with the trail on there. [2:08:22, 2:08:25]: Okay. So basically [2:08:26, 2:08:46]: The trail runs around this multi-use trail runs around the entirety of the neighborhood. So this one development will have its own belt line like trail that runs around the entirety of the neighborhood. And pull up the picture of what the multi-use trail will look like. It'll be 10-foot multi-use contract. [2:08:46, 2:08:57]: concrete trail that'll surround it. On that I think it's on the um the the interior. But bubble it's on the bubble photo. Okay. Hold on let me go. [2:08:58, 2:09:00]: So sorry. [2:09:01, 2:09:21]: Right there to the bottom left hand side of the screen. Right there. That's the trail that you're gonna build in its entirety, which is very similar to what they have at Lakes Fivey Parkway where they have Lakes Fivee, uh Clayton International, they have this trail that connects. So at some point uh the the desirability for the city would be [2:09:21, 2:09:41]: Able to this will run this tire trail will run around the entire neighborhood, correct connect to the frontage that runs along uh highway 138. And as I said earlier, all three entities: Clayton County, Henry County, and the city of Stockbridge were working together because we want to have a multi [2:09:41, 2:10:01]: Multi-use trail run down Highway 138 all the way to Clayton International. This council has proved in our T-splies we got three million dollars for a multi-use trail that will run down Walt Stevens Road all the way to the Clayton County line so that we can connect to the Lake Svivey golf course. So it's not [2:10:01, 2:10:21]: Not just talk that we're trying to develop our own Atlanta belt line like trail system. We got$20 million in the T-spots that voters just approved. And all of these projects, step by step, every time somebody builds a component along this corridor, they're gonna have to help us build the trail. Because guess what we did? The very [2:10:21, 2:10:35]: The very first thing that what this council did was we established what's called the one highway 138 overlay district. Can't have a pawn shop, can't have a tire shop, can't have a truck stop, can't have a dollar store. Okay? [2:10:35, 2:10:55]: Whatever you build there has to be substantial and it has to be desirable. All of those uses are prohibited. Can't have another how many gas stations? How many times are we tired of another gas station in our neighborhood? No more gas there there won't be any gas stations there. You can't build that there. That's not allowed. [2:10:55, 2:11:09]: Okay. Hold up, sir. Hold up. Right, you'll get back to it. But but but in the end, what I'm telling you is that the the reason that Highway 138 looked like it looked, okay? Because the standards were low. [2:11:09, 2:11:29]: The developers were jumping just as high. Now we've raised the standards up here. Anything you build's got to be 50% brick. You can't build a pawn shop. You can't build a tire shop. You can't have gasoline stations everywhere, up and down there. Those are the things that they don't want to see when you have a quality restaurant. [2:11:29, 2:11:49]: Who wants to open up a Starbucks when I can open up three gas stations next door? Nobody wants to do that. So what we're doing is systematically step by step, we put the things in place to establish to get the types of things that you want to see in the neighborhood. Can I guarantee you that I'm gonna get you a Lido grocery store? No. [2:11:49, 2:12:09]: I don't think they can guarantee you that, but that's the desired course. That's what the retail component is all about to be able to attract a lighter or to be able to attract the sprouts, that type of development. We talked to the developer when we had the meeting. We said, Well, why what about publics? Can we get a public? [2:12:09, 2:12:29]: Publix here, because I listen to you all on next door and everything, every door, because you have no choices right now. None. To go where you wanna shop at a quality place, you have no choices. So it I listen to you, I read that, I talk to you all back online to see what we can do about moving those things forward. I said, can we get a Publix? [2:12:29, 2:12:43]: The answer was no, we can't get a public. Why? Because the CVS on the corner has a non-compete agreement that says you can't bring in a grocery store with a pharmacy because CVS does not want a competitor. [2:12:43, 2:13:02]: at that zone right there. They don't want a competitor. So in order for us to bring you a grocery store at this location, we gotta bring you a grocery store like Lytle that does not have a a drugstore to compete. So those are the kind of things that we have to deal with. And understand for me to ask that question, I heard you. [2:13:02, 2:13:03]: I heard you. [2:13:04, 2:13:13]: I asked that question because I hear you say the Highway 138 Kroger is substandard. It's not enough. Why can't we get a better Kroger than that? [2:13:14, 2:13:15]: I shop at it too. [2:13:15, 2:13:31]: And we want better. So that's what we're trying to do. And in the end, trying to lay the groundwork in order to do that. And no, because of this council collectively and what we did, you can't open up any junk on Highway 138 now. You can't, because we're gonna shut it down. [2:13:31, 2:13:49]: All right. On that note, yes sir. Well that's exactly where I'm going. Yeah, that's why I was doing I was gonna do that. Um I I just appreciate all of the comments, but I do wanna hear from the citizen. Right. And and one thing if citizen, if you would for me [2:13:49, 2:13:52]: Um I just like to hear [2:13:52, 2:14:00]: Um what you would like to see come in this particular area, is it with this particular unit, is it [2:14:00, 2:14:07]: Would you like to see less rental? You wanna see more rental? Uh do you wanna see less commercial, more commercial? [2:14:09, 2:14:10]: So what is it? [2:14:11, 2:14:20]: I'm I'm trying to get you to be proactive. What is it that you want to see come in this area? Even if we vote this down tonight. [2:14:21, 2:14:33]: Be guaranteed that something is coming. So I encourage you to be proactive and get out front and and and sort of say, okay, this is what we want. This is what we want to see come in this area. [2:14:34, 2:14:54]: Vacant land doesn't stay vacant. So Mayor, I'm going to year, but this is what I want to hear from you. What do you want in this particular area? In this particular but in this particular project, what is it that you don't like about this project? If it's a total project, say it's the total project. [2:14:54, 2:15:03]: Hold up, sir. Hold up. Have it sit down, please. I yield back, Mayor. All right, we're gonna Mr. Plunt, this is it, okay? Let's go make this last one. I just wanna close it out by saying this because I [2:15:04, 2:15:09]: I take an R when someone making senuations that pander into the audience. [2:15:09, 2:15:29]: Uh when you say pattern to the audience, what are you saying to me? Because when you look at developments like Atlanta Station, when you look at the battery, when you look at Avalon, each and every one of those projects had everything coming up at the same time. It wasn't just a commercial piece, it was commercial and mixed use, all at the same time. So the community knew that it wasn't [2:15:29, 2:15:38]: That if you build it, they'll come. They were already there when they built it all together. So the community was very aware. So when you say that I'm pandering, [2:15:38, 2:15:45]: or you say that someone is pandering, the greatest advocate up here forward is a realtor. I'm not gonna go into that. [2:15:46, 2:15:56]: So I just wanna say each and every one of us have our own individuality on how we speak, what we talk about, because you don't vote on us as a group, you vote on us individually. [2:15:56, 2:15:56]: All right. [2:15:58, 2:15:59]: All right. [2:15:59, 2:16:07]: For the council that'd be it. So obviously, ladies and gentlemen, it's a public hearing. So by law, you have an opportunity to speak and you'll get that opportunity. Now [2:16:08, 2:16:09]: I'm going to start [2:16:09, 2:16:10]: On the [2:16:10, 2:16:17]: It'll be your right, my left side, this section. We're going three different sections. This left section over here, I'm opening up the uh attorney, Mr. Washington. [2:16:18, 2:16:26]: Okay. I'm o okay, got it. It's an open to the public hearing. So from the very left side, um an anybody that is in favor [2:16:26, 2:16:40]: In favor of this development on the very left side, I need for you to come to the podium, announce your name and and your address, and then speak. And I'll give you three minutes on on that note. Anybody from the left? [2:16:40, 2:16:41]: From my from my left. [2:16:43, 2:16:44]: Four, four. [2:16:45, 2:16:46]: Come on, sir. Come on, please. [2:16:54, 2:16:56]: Name and address, please. [2:16:57, 2:16:59]: Okay council, my name's Robert Russell. [2:16:59, 2:17:02]: one zero two eight highway one hundred thirty eight west. [2:17:02, 2:17:03]: Is Highway one thirty eight [2:17:04, 2:17:05]: Liquor store. [2:17:05, 2:17:06]: That's my liker store. [2:17:09, 2:17:12]: I know everybody's a little bit more. [2:17:12, 2:17:13]: Could accept it. [2:17:14, 2:17:15]: So you set the clock, please? [2:17:17, 2:17:20]: I know everyone here doesn't like me, but that's okay. [2:17:22, 2:17:28]: I want everybody to understand that that road, highway one thirty eight, is a very dangerous road. [2:17:28, 2:17:30]: There is a three way traffic light there. [2:17:32, 2:17:33]: It needs [2:17:34, 2:17:38]: This development to go through to change the traffic. [2:17:38, 2:17:39]: Pattern. [2:17:40, 2:17:45]: I've already had traffic studies done. If anybody wants to come by, they're more than welcome to see them. [2:17:47, 2:17:53]: There should be no opposition for this. This brings tax revenue to the county, to the city. [2:17:54, 2:18:05]: It doesn't bring any customers speak. It doesn't bring any more customers other than who lives in the county. There are only four liquor stores in this county and will only be four. [2:18:05, 2:18:08]: So whoever lives in this county [2:18:08, 2:18:18]: goes to one of the four liquor stores. There's not gonna be any other ones. I don't stand to gain that much out of this. Even if ten percent of the people come through [2:18:18, 2:18:19]: That drink [2:18:20, 2:18:24]: They're of drinking age and come to me, what am I gonna gain? A hundred customers a month? [2:18:24, 2:18:28]: That doesn't do that much for me, but it does bring tax revenue to this. [2:18:29, 2:18:30]: County to this city. [2:18:30, 2:18:34]: That you guys need and everyone needs to help maintain [2:18:35, 2:18:51]: the roads and everything else. You guys have a three million dollar surplus. That's from the taxes, from the revenue. This brings more taxes into the county. This moves more people here. It is not a bad thing to bring this in. It is very, very much needed. [2:18:52, 2:18:55]: For a whole lot of reasons. [2:18:56, 2:19:02]: If someone chooses to live in this area, they have an opportunity to live here. [2:19:03, 2:19:06]: But as it is right now, there is no opportunity. [2:19:06, 2:19:24]: Everything is very expensive. This is another form that allows people to pay a lower opportunity. As they were saying earlier, if you choose to rent, you can rent for thirteen hundred to two thousand dollars a month. But if you choose to purchase, it's gonna cost you a whole lot more than that for a house. [2:19:26, 2:19:30]: Again, if anybody has any questions, I'd be glad to show them my traffic studies. [2:19:32, 2:19:50]: E ho folks folks, you get your opportunity. Calm down please. Go ahead, sir, please. The other thing is that piece of property currently is being used as a dump by a lot of people. I have personally spent thousands of dollars paying people to clean that area up. [2:19:50, 2:19:58]: Because it's not taken care of and maintained. By having this development here, it will be maintained. It will not be an eyesore anymore. [2:19:59, 2:20:01]: It's something that needs to be here. [2:20:01, 2:20:11]: If anyone has questions, please feel free to stop by my store and ask me. I'd be glad to show you everything I have. Thank you, appreciate it. Thank you. On the le anymore on the left or left hand side. [2:20:11, 2:20:14]: My left hand side. Anybody? Four. On anybody on the left hand side. [2:20:15, 2:20:16]: All right. Anybody in the middle? [2:20:17, 2:20:17]: Four. [2:20:18, 2:20:19]: For development in the middle. [2:20:22, 2:20:25]: Okay, back over to my right, individual four. [2:20:26, 2:20:28]: Yes, ma'am, come on up please. Name and address. [2:20:33, 2:20:51]: My name is Vicki Simmons and I live uh in Eagle Ridge subdivision and I am for this. I have two sons who are now looking for some place to rent and I would like for them to be able to stay near me. [2:20:51, 2:21:07]: Um and this looks like something that they would like to rent. I have a daughter who bought a condo similar to the ones that were presented to me today in College Park and at one time College Park. [2:21:07, 2:21:10]: Nobody wanted to live there. So [2:21:10, 2:21:16]: We have got to bring young people and keep our young people here. [2:21:17, 2:21:28]: I have maybe six to eight years to drive on these highways to get to work, but my kids have another thirty to forty. So this is about our future. [2:21:29, 2:21:32]: With our children and our children's children. [2:21:33, 2:21:38]: Thank you. Anyone else on the on my right hand side? Anybody else four on my right hand side? [2:21:39, 2:21:40]: Right hand side. [2:21:40, 2:21:43]: Four. Okay. Now here comes the fun, right? [2:21:44, 2:21:47]: Anybody? Uh matter of fact you gotta reset the clock please now. [2:21:48, 2:22:01]: Okay. Anybody on my left hand side that is against this particular project you need to come up and speak. Anybody's against? And if you which is just line line up, come one at a time, just line up and write up here and give your name and your address, please. [2:22:08, 2:22:09]: Good evening. [2:22:09, 2:22:12]: I'm Janet Burney, I live on Pembroke Terrace. [2:22:13, 2:22:15]: I greatly appreciate the cooperation [2:22:17, 2:22:18]: Barney. [2:22:18, 2:22:22]: B-U-R-R-N-E-Y. [2:22:23, 2:22:25]: Pembroke Terrace. [2:22:26, 2:22:34]: I do greatly appreciate the cooperation between Henry counties and Clayton counties to improve the area. [2:22:35, 2:22:41]: Growth and development are great and it's needed. It's not that that's the issue, it's the type [2:22:41, 2:22:44]: of growth and development that is of concern. [2:22:45, 2:22:52]: Creating additional apartments in an area that is already heavily condensed with apartments is not the answer. [2:22:52, 2:22:57]: Look behind Lowe's. You have this huge complex already being built. [2:23:03, 2:23:08]: And then you have four additional or five of complexes even beyond that. [2:23:09, 2:23:19]: So then behind the Kroger, which is poorly kept, there's another apartment complex. Behind Chick-fil-A, there's another apartment complex. [2:23:19, 2:23:33]: So there is affordable housing already in this area that's already heavily condensed with apartments. And as mentioned, she said they're looking for transient renters. We need stability in this area. [2:23:38, 2:23:58]: Even if the area is zoned for housing or businesses, look at Flippin' Road. That farm was look how they've developed that. Those are houses to be purchased. Why can't that be done and at that price point? And when you're talking about like doing renters a favor, rent is so expensive. How can somebody [2:23:58, 2:24:03]: pay that amount of rent and expect to buy a house. You can't do that. [2:24:06, 2:24:26]: So also I do think it's a lack in judgment not to look at traffic patterns. Now when you look at we already have a problem on highway one hundred-eight, especially on Fridays or if there's an accident on that interstate. We already have a lot of traffic coming through, especially turning left on [2:24:26, 2:24:45]: And that area was greatly impacted when they were doing road construction, which was needed too, but other areas have been greatly imp impacted, like Spivey Road. So I'm just strongly asking you to definitely consider voting no. [2:24:51, 2:25:08]: Hi, good afternoon. My name is Dion Roberts and I live um Lake Spivy. Um I know you guys said that um it's a commercial area, but where I live is actually walking distance from where the uh the the plan de v development is supposed to be um created. Um [2:25:10, 2:25:12]: I just wanted you you all to think about this. [2:25:13, 2:25:15]: What does a salesperson do when you're trying to sell somebody something? [2:25:16, 2:25:27]: You you you you make them a cake, I'm just giving an example. You put icing on it and you put strawberries to make it look good. That's what the investors are doing it. They're trying to make it look good so they can sell it to you. [2:25:27, 2:25:34]: You know, they come in, they build these developments and maybe in five or six years they're gonna sell it off to somebody else and then the property's gonna go down. [2:25:34, 2:25:36]: Not to mention [2:25:37, 2:25:49]: They're building townhomes. How do we know that those townhomes are not going to end up being renters in those townhomes? How do we know they said they're gonna s we don't know if there they're gonna be renters in them. When you have a lot of renters, you have more crime. My [2:25:50, 2:25:51]: My concern is a crime. [2:25:52, 2:26:12]: Okay, you you know, I don't want more crime in my neighborhood. And you know, and and and that is a big concern. I have children here, and you stated, Mr. Alexander, that your children is gonna come back and move here. No, they're not because they can't afford it. You're not gonna be able to afford it at all. This is expensive. She stated that the prices are more expensive than the house. [2:26:12, 2:26:15]: house, I wrote it down. She said, Oh, the prices are gonna be higher than buying a home. [2:26:16, 2:26:20]: Why would I bring something that's gonna be higher than buying a home? It does not make sense to me. [2:26:21, 2:26:24]: You if you guys live in this community, just please listen to [2:26:25, 2:26:38]: Everybody that's here and not just think about yourselves and that because you're a realtor or whatever it is. Think about the community that lives here. You know, we came up because it's we're passionate about it. So please vote no against this. [2:26:39, 2:26:40]: Thank you. [2:26:40, 2:26:41]: And uh [2:26:42, 2:27:02]: My name is Alberto Roberts. This is my lovely wife, Deion Roberts. We stay at 8203 Clubhouse Way. And I'm just concerned. I know that if we bring residents like that, we're gonna still deal with more people, more police. And I don't seen times where you get you get questioned by the police. [2:27:02, 2:27:22]: Just getting off the expressway at 138. And you may have worked hard all day and you get off late at night. If it's 11 o'clock, you're getting harassed by the cops because you got a roadblock there. And if you got 300 residents that had to be police, then okay, we're gonna have to hire more cops that really don't. [2:27:22, 2:27:37]: Have a good report with the community. And I have a big concern because I have young black man and we send them get shot down all the time in our neighborhoods. And I just think that, hey, if you got the people there. [2:27:37, 2:27:51]: And um you got more people in that area, the only thing it's gonna do is is require a large amount of security for the people that is there and for the people that is coming. So [2:27:51, 2:27:58]: I say no and I just hope that you all really think about them things and hey, thank you, the lady that spoke. [2:27:59, 2:28:07]: In front of us, she spoke highly well and she spoke to a lot of points that I agree totally with her. Thank you all. All right. [2:28:07, 2:28:08]: Mm-hmm. [2:28:12, 2:28:20]: Hi, good afternoon. Um, my name is Cassandra Derrickot and I live at um seventy six hundred Glen Devon. So like [2:28:20, 2:28:37]: I'm like right there at the street where they're gonna build the complex. And my concern is how am I gonna get out my house in the morning? I mean off a on that street. Because if you put in three hundred apartments and that's not including the homes, and they all gonna have to make a right [2:28:38, 2:28:42]: How am I gonna get out to go to work? So that means I'm gonna have to leave my house [2:28:43, 2:28:53]: fift like thirty minutes just to get off my street. I'm like literally right there. That's my street. Like that little pond or whatever, that's gonna be in my backyard. [2:28:53, 2:28:58]: And that's I mean that I just think that's just not good for me. And security, like [2:28:58, 2:29:02]: People can walk through and come straight through my backyard. [2:29:03, 2:29:15]: So uh that's my concern. Like the traffic as far as me having to get up to go to work and I work in the cab. So now I'm gonna have to leave a good thirty minutes just to get out the street. [2:29:15, 2:29:23]: Cause they're not gonna they're gonna block it. So you can't even go through. You're gonna have to go all the way down, make a right, come back up to get to the highway. [2:29:24, 2:29:25]: That's a lot. [2:29:27, 2:29:30]: Yeah. That's all I have to say. Okay, thank you very much. Appreciate it. [2:29:35, 2:29:45]: At the middle section. Anybody against? Anybody against? Come on up. Come on, line on up. Okay. [2:29:50, 2:30:10]: Now we're gonna have to be respectful of time. Okay. I won't need to max out of three minutes, all right? I won't speak three minutes. Excuse me? I I won't name three minutes. I'll just letting you know. That's okay. It won't take you that long. Your name and address, please, sir. Uh my name is Henry Petway. I live at seven nine six four High Point Drive in Jonesboro, Georgia. Right, go ahead, please. Okay. First of all, I don't have any uh [2:30:10, 2:30:18]: uh uh ideas that are way up here. All I know is apartments and corner liquor stores have typically not been a good mix. [2:30:22, 2:30:30]: And that just based on the places that I've stayed while I've while I'm, you know, matriculated into uh my home now. [2:30:30, 2:30:42]: So the the liquor store on the corner is is is a big problem for me. Uh the young lady in and the green, she she s you know, stole all my my thunder points, but if um if [2:30:43, 2:31:03]: What would be wrong with putting a subdivision over there with you uh with with houses? Fee simple houses that what's that that that that term that you use, Ms. Alexander? Um Three simple. No, uh where renters can't you had to be home homeowner occupied. Owner occupied. Owner occupied. [2:31:03, 2:31:10]: And make them that way so that renters can you know, these big companies can't come in and buy up and make them rental properties. [2:31:11, 2:31:19]: As far as uh you know the upkeep, every time I get off highway one thirty eight coming to my house, that's a dilapidated [2:31:20, 2:31:24]: I saw of a hotel on the right. It's been there for at least [2:31:24, 2:31:27]: At least four or five years. [2:31:27, 2:31:45]: And and and and I'm sure that this council at some point thought, well these are vetted developers and they're gonna do what they supposed to do. Well, this didn't happen in that case, but we still have to pass by that. So I'm against this until and I'm not against growth. [2:31:45, 2:31:47]: But like it's been said, I am against [2:31:48, 2:31:54]: the right kind of growth and right now this is not the right kind of growth for that area. [2:31:54, 2:31:55]: Thank you. [2:32:01, 2:32:10]: Uh good afternoon. Melissa Kalandro. I'm a homeowner in the Spivy Glenn subdivision 358 Emerald Trace. [2:32:10, 2:32:22]: Um I moved to that neighborhood twenty one years ago. I am a big advocate for apartments. Um I left a domestic abuse situation with two young children. [2:32:23, 2:32:43]: And had to live in an apartment for 18 months until I could get on my feet and buy another home. I chose to live in that neighborhood and in that area because it was a low density area. Um neighborhoods uh with with families, with uh children, with [2:32:43, 2:32:48]: good schools. My children are grown now. They live in apartments and in homes in other cities. [2:32:49, 2:32:56]: I think what we would like to see is spy v commons. You know, we've waited ten years for retail to come to that area. [2:32:57, 2:32:59]: We waited on the hotel to be finished. [2:32:59, 2:33:16]: We passed these unfinished projects every day. And when we had to drive in and out of our neighborhood for six months when Spy V when Spear Road was being worked on, we had to wait ten and fifteen minutes just to get out of our neighborhood. [2:33:17, 2:33:19]: on to Spivey Road. [2:33:19, 2:33:26]: And you think the people in the the you know, three hundred apartments and sixty condos or what out townhomes. [2:33:27, 2:33:30]: They're not just gonna go to the interstate, they're gonna go south. [2:33:30, 2:33:32]: You know, through the back roads into Henry County. [2:33:33, 2:33:35]: And like we all do when the interstate is shut down. [2:33:36, 2:33:42]: Um I I am for growth. I'm for great retail. I love to shop. Um [2:33:42, 2:33:43]: For that [2:33:43, 2:33:49]: I think it needs to be a low density, more homeowner type, even if it is town homes, that's fine. [2:33:50, 2:33:58]: Um but I but you know the beautiful plans is an idyllic situation. It's not the reality of what we will deal with. [2:33:58, 2:34:18]: And every week I get a call offering me three times what I paid for my home in cash. And if you want to keep residents in the area, you know, don't do this because it just tempts me to say, I'm ready for that cash and I'll go live someplace else. But I'm a taxpayer, a homeowner. [2:34:18, 2:34:18]: Yeah. [2:34:19, 2:34:21]: And you know, I I say [2:34:21, 2:34:23]: Vote no to the way the plan is written. [2:34:23, 2:34:26]: And strongly consider how you can modify [2:34:26, 2:34:27]: To work. [2:34:27, 2:34:30]: with your n the neighbors that you're gonna be adjacent to. [2:34:31, 2:34:35]: So it's my piece. [2:34:38, 2:34:40]: Good evening. Um [2:34:41, 2:35:01]: Grandbaby. She she's trying to get into government and understand the running of government, so she decided to come tonight. And her question is your name name and address, please, ma'am. I'm sorry. It's Maria. Last name is Epps. I'm in um Lake Spivey area. Okay. Okay. Um first of all I'd just like to thank everybody for [2:35:00, 2:35:20]: Coming out, the renditions are nice, um, really pretty. I've seen this happen before in other areas. Um, I'm very very open. I was very, very open to change. I was open to growth, which is the reason I came here. I listened to the other lady stating that she moved from an abusive relationship into this area. [2:35:21, 2:35:22]: I moved in this area for [2:35:23, 2:35:26]: Бін вели, рили даун із вел. [2:35:26, 2:35:28]: And I bought a house. [2:35:28, 2:35:39]: It took me forever to save that money and decide on an area that I felt comfortable living in, which is what we have now. [2:35:40, 2:35:50]: Uh when we look around with this, it's beautiful. I would love to have this if this is what we have. It's too much coming into our area. [2:35:52, 2:36:01]: too s too much of it coming in at one time. I heard s one of you guys talk about the area out at uh the battery. [2:36:02, 2:36:03]: When the battery was built. [2:36:03, 2:36:12]: Infrastructure, the roads, everything there was already in place. So when you had this mass of influx of [2:36:12, 2:36:24]: renters coming in or homeowners coming in, the infrastructure was there. We're looking at already taxed streets, we're looking already filled schools, we're looking at [2:36:25, 2:36:30]: a a a crime that's that's just going crazy. I you know [2:36:31, 2:36:44]: I felt very uncomfortable sitting here hearing people from up here saying, I'm telling you right now I'm already for this. I'm telling you right now I'm open for this. I'm telling you right now, I'm open to listen. [2:36:44, 2:36:49]: But I have not made a decision as to bringing this into an area I live. [2:36:50, 2:36:54]: The lady said she gets three times the amount of her house every day. [2:36:55, 2:37:10]: Same here. I mean I get'em coming sending me a picture of my own house to me, trying to buy my property. I bought it. They say, Well, we we we'd like to talk to you about your house. We love your house. We want to talk to you about your house. I love my house too, that's why I bought it. [2:37:10, 2:37:14]: And I bought that house to live in an area that will grow. [2:37:14, 2:37:26]: I can see my grandbabies grow, but realistically, I live here now. Looking at this here, I will move away from it. I I really would. That's just all I want to say. [2:37:27, 2:37:27]: Thank you. [2:37:32, 2:37:34]: Vanessa I'll be taking all three of my minutes, most likely. [2:37:35, 2:37:55]: Uh Mayor Ford, members of the council. This is also my first foray into uh local government. And I have to say uh what I saw tonight prior to public comment is making me seriously consider running for office here. My name is uh Christopher Calandra. I reside in Lake Spivey subdivision. I was not aware of this impending boondoggle until my [2:37:55, 2:38:15]: Uh, HOA president Nikki Ford uh alerted me to it. For me, this boils down to two terms, one of which I did not hear enough of tonight, and that is quality of life, first and foremost. And secondly, is traffic impact. That's something I can speak to. It's an area of expertise. I used to be a traffic reporter for Channel 2, News Talk 750, WSB, AM, and [2:38:14, 2:38:30]: uh radio and T V used to fly in the Shopper Airborne all along the south side with the uh late and great captain Herb Emery. I can tell you now that the one thirty eight interchange with I seventy five if you're approaching on Spivy Road heading eastbound is very poorly designed. And right now [2:38:31, 2:38:41]: Uh councilman uh councilwoman Gann mentioned bursting at the seams. The pattern is bursting at the seams during peak drive times. If you're trying to make transition as I do on a northbound seventy-five [2:38:41, 2:39:01]: From 138. This will only exacerbate uh the situation. Uh Mr. Russell uh spoke earlier. He is the proprietor of the uh one thirty eight package store. He has some traffic impact studies, which I'd be very interested in examining and looking at. I have a couple thousand questions for you. Um I would also like to note, I mean we do uh [2:39:01, 2:39:21]: Uh some woman spoke earlier in terms of uh I guess the comportment of renters versus owners. I'm glad that she made the statement before I did. But uh 138 package store is one of uh several local places that I could buy liquor from if I chose to do so. But to the best of my knowledge, Mr. Russell, yours is the only package store in the region that requires [2:39:21, 2:39:26]: requires a law enforcement officer to work an extra job during your peak times. [2:39:27, 2:39:32]: To be on the lookout for shenanigans and tomfoolery and other bad behaviour. [2:39:33, 2:39:51]: So again, the infrastructure right now, the the design of the one thirty-eight to seventy five interchange is poor. You spoke of the poor I mean we've seen during peak times if you're coming uh from six seventy five heading westbound towards the interchange, traffic during peak times is horrible. Horrible. [2:39:51, 2:39:56]: This will only exacerbate that. And do a credit where it's due, do uh credit to uh the battle law firm. [2:39:56, 2:40:16]: And the people at Crescent, you made some strong arguments, but the bottom line is unless you reduce the number of units of rentals and the townhomes, again, the number of people and the resultant traffic impacts will be horrible for the quality of life for the people in Stockbridge, especially those of us who live in the Lakes Bivey neighborhood adjacent to the I-75. [2:40:16, 2:40:20]: Uh and one thirty eight quarter. That's all I have. Thank you. [2:40:21, 2:40:21]: Mm. [2:40:27, 2:40:32]: Hello, my name is Randy Hill, live in the Lakes Five Subdivision. [2:40:33, 2:40:53]: As I listened and I looked at the the board up there and I looked at the videos and I looked at all of the the the plannings for the different usage builds that Crescent makes, it was impressive. I mean you're looking at things that look like Atlantic Station, you're looking at something that looks really high-end. [2:40:53, 2:41:13]: You're looking at things that really, really are eye candy. But when I think about what we're talking about here in Stockbridge, I know that that and eye candy really does not work here. We're taking a low density area and we're trying to make it into a high density. As a matter of fact, I think that if Crescent could make it [2:41:13, 2:41:33]: Extra high density or ultra high density, they would because all they're really worried about is money. It's the money that they're able to, the number of units that they're putting there means the more money that they can make off of it. Now, to me, this is the far end of history. [2:41:33, 2:41:53]: Henry County and Stockbridge and you put this over here and it's like set it and forget it. We know that none of the roads, we know that none of the fire fire roads or anything can accommodate that many units right now. We know that we're smart enough and everybody here knows. [2:41:53, 2:42:13]: knows that and nobody wants it. And so to for you guys that are for it to allow it is just you say that you work for the for the citizens here. Well the citizens here are saying no. They understand that they don't want this. They understand that the impact of this is going to be bad [2:42:13, 2:42:33]: Bad, and they are asking you. I'm asking you, and everybody here is asking you, do not do this, do not give this just because of you have a builder that comes in that wants to build. It's it's fine. Everybody that comes to bill is is not a good bill. The other thing is they say make sure. [2:42:33, 2:42:53]: Mixed use. Mixed use is a nice word, but we know that mixed use means means residential and it means commercial. So it's saying that they're gonna allow an area where they can put uh businesses in there. But we you know that you cannot control what kind of businesses are gonna be there in the future. [2:42:53, 2:43:13]: Future. I mean if you just down the road there, it's gonna be crap. And if it's crime there, none of the high-end stores or any other retailers are gonna want to be there. Uh we talked about a walk path around it. It all it looks like was a racetrack to me. It goes around the sub it goes. [2:43:13, 2:43:16]: It goes around the s subdivision and it doesn't do much else. [2:43:16, 2:43:23]: Except for allow away for possibly uh people who are not [2:43:25, 2:43:41]: criminals to use to get in and out. So again, with the end of my statement, I'm gonna say the citizens are asking you no. You should understand why, and that's it. Vote no on this. Thank you, ma'am. [2:43:49, 2:43:52]: Hello. Hello. My name is Susan Snare. [2:43:53, 2:43:55]: And I live in one of those houses. [2:43:56, 2:43:58]: Right there on Glen Devon Road. [2:44:00, 2:44:04]: That's gonna be right in front of all this. [2:44:06, 2:44:09]: Or in back of it, front of it, side of it. [2:44:10, 2:44:11]: And I don't want it. [2:44:13, 2:44:32]: They're not telling you about the other road, not s not spy road that's going into it with a gate. They've also got another road that's coming out and people are having to turn to the left and go up one thirty-eight and then go around. [2:44:33, 2:44:34]: And come back. [2:44:36, 2:44:37]: In their plans. [2:44:40, 2:44:40]: Um [2:44:42, 2:44:44]: My husband and I [2:44:44, 2:44:48]: have l lived in our house. He's handicapped. [2:44:49, 2:44:53]: We don't want to see any more traffic going down one hundred thirty eight. [2:44:55, 2:45:01]: We can't even get out of our subdivision right now without having to wait ten minutes. [2:45:02, 2:45:10]: Because the lights from up at uh CBS and I let's go and the ones up on Spivey [2:45:11, 2:45:24]: Up the road there, let's go, and they're constantly like this. You don't get a chance to go out. And if we have that many homes and apartments now, it's gonna make it three times worse. [2:45:26, 2:45:31]: That's all I've got to say. Everybody else has everybody else has made their points. [2:45:32, 2:45:34]: I'm living right there. [2:45:35, 2:45:40]: I want you to look at me in the eye and tell me that's not fair. [2:45:41, 2:45:42]: Thank you. [2:45:50, 2:45:58]: My name is Shirley Boyce and I live on Glen Devon Road with on the same street my friend Susan lives on. [2:45:58, 2:46:01]: And that's gonna come right up to my back door. [2:46:02, 2:46:07]: When I bought my house thirty seven years ago, I could hear a pin drop on my screen porch. [2:46:07, 2:46:11]: Then they cut all the trees down to build the coals, the [2:46:12, 2:46:13]: And the [2:46:13, 2:46:33]: Brandsmart and the Cormacs and the at home and all of a sudden all I could hear was traffic, cars, trucks, horns blowing, ambulances, wrecks. I couldn't go out there from all the noise. If that wasn't bad enough, the teenagers was going up to Coals with their Apapell. [2:46:33, 2:46:36]: buyers this high racing their cars around [2:46:37, 2:46:40]: And you could hear the music two miles down the road. [2:46:41, 2:46:45]: So adding something else back there is not gonna make my life easier. [2:46:46, 2:46:47]: It's gonna make it worse. [2:46:49, 2:46:53]: I could hear a pin drop thirty seven years ago. All I can hear now is noise. [2:46:54, 2:47:02]: They didn't even put up a wall at the expressway to keep all that traffic noise down. And I can understand why a developer wants develop there. [2:47:03, 2:47:05]: is close to the interstate. [2:47:06, 2:47:07]: But there's a lot more layin'. [2:47:08, 2:47:11]: They can develop on. There's land right across the street. [2:47:12, 2:47:13]: A lot of it. [2:47:14, 2:47:21]: There's a creek that runs back in that land back there that goes for miles. What's gonna happen to that creek? [2:47:22, 2:47:28]: Where does all the wild out go? There's all kind of deer, raccoons, squirrels, where do they go? [2:47:30, 2:47:31]: And you can't tell me. [2:47:32, 2:47:36]: That's great rent prices as far as getting high clientele. [2:47:36, 2:47:38]: But what happens when you can't rent'em? [2:47:39, 2:47:42]: What happens is you win'em for what you can get'em for. [2:47:43, 2:47:45]: And then you get a different kind of clientele. [2:47:49, 2:47:50]: One [2:47:51, 2:47:53]: One thirty eight is already so bad. [2:47:54, 2:47:56]: That we can't get out of our subdivision. [2:47:56, 2:47:58]: People fly down that street. [2:47:58, 2:48:00]: Like it's a racetrack. [2:48:01, 2:48:01]: That [2:48:02, 2:48:15]: intersection where the CVS is, the McDonald's, is so bad that there's wrecks there constantly. One girl ran a red light, hit me in the side, went airborne and landed on top of my car. [2:48:15, 2:48:17]: It's not just mi. [2:48:17, 2:48:20]: That is a very dangerous intersection. [2:48:20, 2:48:22]: Nobody wants to do anything about it. [2:48:23, 2:48:26]: Мені не с тобі спенно танц та не тобі дан. [2:48:26, 2:48:27]: In this city. [2:48:28, 2:48:37]: And not on things we don't need because some real estate broker or an investor wants to make a living, find some more land. I don't want it behind my house. [2:48:38, 2:48:38]: All right. [2:48:48, 2:48:56]: Hello, uh Commissioners. My name is Dave Murphy, Spivey Cove, HOA president. I've been the president for since 2001. [2:48:56, 2:48:58]: I've been trying to give it up but they won't let me. [2:48:59, 2:49:10]: And I can't hardly um move anywhere because the house is paid off. So I'm I'm deeply invested. Screw me what what's your address? Twenty address is twenty-eight seventy seven, Mandy Court. [2:49:10, 2:49:26]: And uh I like to call Lake Spive in Georgia just to give us a little bit of identity. Okay. Um I know Nikki Ford and uh all the other HOA presidents is in the area. We have worked very hard to keep our little section between Henry and Clayton together. [2:49:26, 2:49:34]: And um we stay on our commission. I finally uh dragged uh commissioner Demont Davis. We picked up the trash on uh [2:49:34, 2:49:40]: The um uh Mount Zion Parkway. We did that one day. It took us probably about four or five [2:49:40, 2:49:43]: hours. Just uh four four guys, old guys, you know. [2:49:44, 2:50:01]: And so that's my big thing is litter, litter and crime, quality of life issues. And I think you don't get better uh unless you raise the quality of the uh development that you have. It's already gonna be tough trying to find the people to move into your community as as it is. [2:50:02, 2:50:20]: So uh that's uh that's why I hope you guys vote this down and wait for something to comes comes better. Uh used to be a time when um all you hear was birds, crickets chirping, that kind of thing. Now I'm hearing sirens a little bit more. And I've got a nice buffer between on one thirty eight. I I mean we're we're f we're far back. [2:50:20, 2:50:20]: Um [2:50:20, 2:50:24]: There's a a line basically from Cla Clayton County to Henry County. [2:50:24, 2:50:27]: And you guys gonna be down the same path as Clayton. [2:50:28, 2:50:33]: At least uh what w what you see in the news if you don't watch your development and make sure you get it right. [2:50:34, 2:50:35]: You gotta get it right. [2:50:35, 2:50:40]: I've talked to uh co councilman uh Elton Alexander a few times about the litter. [2:50:40, 2:50:45]: And the quality of life issues, and that's something we still you gotta get that right. You got spy the commons. [2:50:45, 2:50:50]: Uh just now coming online. We've been waiting, like the lady said for a while for them to get to a couple of [2:50:50, 2:50:52]: Couple of stores in there. [2:50:52, 2:50:54]: Uh you've got that um best western. [2:50:55, 2:50:59]: That you've got to finish up. I say finish the projects that you have on the books right now. [2:50:59, 2:51:03]: Get that done first. Before he tries to put something up new. [2:51:04, 2:51:05]: And that's it. Thank you. Thank you. [2:51:10, 2:51:13]: Hello, my name is Angela Howard. I live in in [2:51:14, 2:51:20]: Oh you're Brett. I live in the spider gland subdivision, um seven nineteen Stonehenge Place. [2:51:21, 2:51:41]: And I've uh sat here and listened to a lot of the information that was given by the developers, by the uh uh community and everything, and found a lot some of it to be troubling, and the information that you guys get, which I appreciate a lot. And uh one of the things I want to say is I am a native Atlanton, uh born and raised. [2:51:40, 2:51:58]: in Kaya Heights in Atlanta, lived in Dixie Hill, Born Homes, Vine City, have moved towards and and and I'll go back. I lived in Clayton County in College Park. I moved to Spivey Glen because of the changes that had started happening within that area. [2:51:58, 2:52:02]: And I see it happening now. I've lived here for twenty two years. [2:52:02, 2:52:22]: Haven't enjoyed it and like everyone else, instead of hearing the frogs cro uh croak and the birds chirping, now I hear it's sirens, amlets, police. Don't know anything or everything that's going on with the area. Some of the things also that bothered me, um, that kind of took me by surprise. I guess the city attorney said about no [2:52:22, 2:52:29]: concerned about the schools or you guys can't be concerned about the schools, that should be one of our number one priority. Schools in the road. [2:52:30, 2:52:39]: Our our our children, everybody want their children to g to to move into the uh apartments that the young lady gave, which was a very good presentation. [2:52:40, 2:52:43]: But we still have to worry about what are our children gonna do. [2:52:43, 2:52:45]: In order to make this a better [2:52:45, 2:52:47]: uh place to live. Um [2:52:48, 2:52:51]: As I said, she did a very good presentation. [2:52:52, 2:52:55]: It it's uh I call it shiny words. [2:52:56, 2:52:58]: Talking about uh um [2:52:59, 2:53:08]: Starbucks and the battery and all of that. All of that, like everyone has said, their infrastructure was built before that. I'm one that [2:53:09, 2:53:16]: hated for them to the Braves to move to the uh to to the area. But they did, but they and they were prepared for it. We're not prepared for that. [2:53:17, 2:53:18]: Traffic is horrible. [2:53:18, 2:53:22]: As as everyone say you you constantly have an accidents all the time. [2:53:22, 2:53:42]: I appreciate your looking store, but the traffic coming out there makes it hard for me to get out my home myself. The traffic coming to do a U-turn. If these apartments, uh condos or townhomes or whatever it says they're gonna be claiming they're building up there are gonna be there, still gonna be in a very impactful on our traffic. Okay? And it's not gonna [2:53:42, 2:53:43]: Good. [2:53:44, 2:53:52]: Uh my mom, I grew up with my mom said people smell or see new paint and they think that it's good. Everything that's shiny is not always good. [2:53:53, 2:53:58]: Everything that's shining is not on the wish good. And you guys have to vote or have to look at this for the community. [2:53:59, 2:54:05]: And uh I also like to say, and I may be stepping out of place of this, I I feel offended. [2:54:06, 2:54:12]: that you guys have already whether you are against or for up giving your opinion of what were you gonna vote yes or no. [2:54:13, 2:54:25]: Person. Personally, I feel it's independent. Thank you for the comments, please. [2:54:27, 2:54:32]: Good evening. My name is Troy Finley. I'm twenty year resident here in Clayton County. [2:54:32, 2:54:35]: Uh seven seven seven seven seven seven seven seven two Amherst Court. [2:54:36, 2:54:42]: And uh I am just uh in opposition to this move because this is uh [2:54:42, 2:54:43]: gonna cause a lot of [2:54:44, 2:54:47]: Congestion, I'm in runny meat subdivision and it [2:54:47, 2:54:53]: to s to s note that others have talked about coming out is a danger already. [2:54:53, 2:54:58]: I actually sat in on the Zoom call, which I think was really poorly conducted. [2:54:58, 2:55:12]: Because I was trying to get opposition, my call my my my opposition in and the only way I can even get that in is to type that and I didn't have they didn't even allow enough time for me to type my opposition. [2:55:13, 2:55:17]: But basically, mister Brock stated that as the developer [2:55:18, 2:55:20]: That all the traffic has to turn right. [2:55:21, 2:55:23]: Coming out of this new proposed subdivision. [2:55:24, 2:55:25]: So I'm thinking [2:55:26, 2:55:37]: right hand turn two and a half he was saying go to the next light, which would be the beats. That's two miles, two point three miles to take a U turn to get back to I seventy five. [2:55:38, 2:55:43]: Well it's it's it's already congested. It's dangerous. It's very dangerous right now. So [2:55:44, 2:55:50]: One of my other concerns is that I didn't hear anything that come out of their mouths about homeowners association. [2:55:50, 2:55:53]: I didn't hear anything coming out of their mouth about [2:55:54, 2:55:56]: Establishing uh the traffic flow. [2:55:57, 2:56:16]: Mr. Thompson, you mentioned I'm not opposed to the uh growth. And as Ms. Gantt stated, it's smart growth. Is that what we need? We need to m you know, I would love single family. Why not go back with two thousand square foot homes? [2:56:16, 2:56:22]: that are half acre lots. I mean, why why be s why convert it to high density? [2:56:23, 2:56:25]: There's opportunities to smart growth and с [2:56:26, 2:56:31]: And not to have a s a study on the traffic, that's obvious to me that they don't care. [2:56:31, 2:56:33]: They don't they do not care. [2:56:34, 2:56:35]: So [2:56:35, 2:56:36]: Again [2:56:36, 2:56:49]: Um that's that's just uh a lot of points that I had has already been been taken. But yeah, being close to the airport, we deserve Starbucks. We deserve a lot of the the high end uh of [2:56:49, 2:56:52]: facilities that we see northern communities get. [2:56:53, 2:56:58]: But if we we just grab anything that we we get coming out the gate. [2:56:58, 2:57:04]: You know, that's that's that's g that's I I will just say that's that's bad. [2:57:04, 2:57:06]: and and premeditated. [2:57:07, 2:57:07]: Um [2:57:08, 2:57:11]: Decisions. Mr. Ford, you say you already [2:57:11, 2:57:13]: Looked at that and made your decision. [2:57:14, 2:57:15]: Have you studied the traffic? [2:57:16, 2:57:18]: No sir, I haven't, but uh [2:57:20, 2:57:22]: Come on, man. [2:57:23, 2:57:31]: Well just as clarification though for everybody, the mayor doesn't vote unless it's a tie. Period. But I do have an opinion. But go ahead, please. [2:57:31, 2:57:38]: Good evening. My name is Daryl McCullough. Doctor Daryl McCullough. I have a I live at uh twenty eight thirty one Players Drive. [2:57:39, 2:57:40]: In Lake Spivey. [2:57:41, 2:57:44]: And I am against this proposal. [2:57:45, 2:57:51]: I am hopeful that when you make your decisions you will do it based on the future, not today. [2:57:51, 2:57:53]: I am hopeful that you are thinking about [2:57:53, 2:57:55]: Five to ten years from now? [2:57:56, 2:57:58]: I am hopeful that [2:57:58, 2:57:58]: The [2:57:59, 2:58:01]: We can reach a shared vision. [2:58:02, 2:58:05]: So that we can get growth because we need growth. [2:58:06, 2:58:12]: But we need growth based on what is good for the community and what is good for these people. [2:58:12, 2:58:13]: That are here behind me. [2:58:14, 2:58:15]: We [2:58:17, 2:58:20]: We have we need a shared vision. [2:58:21, 2:58:22]: That perhaps they can agree with? [2:58:23, 2:58:24]: A compromise. [2:58:25, 2:58:30]: so that we can move forward. This community needs development, but it has to be planned [2:58:30, 2:58:33]: And it has to make sense. Thank you, thank you. [2:58:35, 2:58:35]: Mm. [2:58:37, 2:58:46]: All right. Now I'm gonna go all the way to my far right. Anybody f uh that's against uh this particular proposal uh lineup please from the far right. [2:58:49, 2:58:57]: Go ahead, sir. And your name and address, please. Just yeah, line it right there and then uh we'll Nikki Ford, two oh five Reeves Creek Way. [2:58:59, 2:59:02]: That is in Henry County, Spive Elen subdivision. [2:59:03, 2:59:20]: Um I sat on the Lake Spivey Community Board, which is over about thirty subdivisions, and I'm also the president of Spive Land Homeowners Association, which we have 189 homes there. And I think the biggest thing is the renter. [2:59:20, 2:59:31]: renter thing and the amount of apartments you guys are talking about because we already have the boatload of them coming in on uh Mount Zion and we're expecting uh [2:59:32, 2:59:40]: uh condos to be built right across the street from us. Now you're talking three hundred more over there. That little road ain't gonna handle it, I don't think. [2:59:40, 2:59:45]: So uh and the traffic's already so bad there, but I think that's the biggest thing and and you're right. [2:59:46, 2:59:56]: Investors have been coming in buying like crazy. We must have about thirty four houses now rented out in there. And we're trying to figure out what we can do to slow that down some. [2:59:57, 3:00:02]: But um I think that's the biggest issue is is so much coming up and [3:00:02, 3:00:04]: three or four different areas here all at the same time. [3:00:05, 3:00:13]: is gonna really jam that road up, especially if you gotta make a right turn out of the place and then make a loop back, that's gonna be ugly too. [3:00:14, 3:00:24]: But uh and most everything else I've heard today I I'm agreeing with as well. But consensus of all the subdivisions together is pretty much on the same [3:00:25, 3:00:26]: Uh same plane that we're talking. [3:00:28, 3:00:30]: Thank you. So appreciate it. Thank you. [3:00:38, 3:00:46]: Good evening. My name is Sandy Wayne. I live at 8430 Marina Bay Court in the Bayview Subdivision on Lake Spivey. [3:00:47, 3:01:02]: Mr. Mayor, Mr. Mayor Protem, and to the Stockbridge City Councilors, I'd like to thank you for this open forum. I'd also like to thank all the people who are here tonight because I think this is a very important topic. I am going probably to [3:01:02, 3:01:08]: say much of the same that things that you have heard already, but I would like my segue to be [3:01:09, 3:01:21]: From a meeting that the city of Stockbridge Council had last year, in which I believe you passed a moratorium the end of January, and it was in reference to the Parkview subdivision. [3:01:22, 3:01:26]: And I am quoting when I'm saying that the city council's move comes [3:01:27, 3:01:33]: As the built for rent home market is facing the same supply headwinds as the overall housing market. [3:01:33, 3:01:49]: COVID nineteen dramatically slowed construction of new homes in twenty twenty, tightening the v the available homes for purchase. At the same time, fewer homeowners than usual have put their houses on the market, opting to stay put during the pandemic. [3:01:49, 3:02:00]: This is very wrong, Councilwoman Lakeisha Gantt said, adding that original builder came before the city seeking approval for the project sever several times. [3:02:00, 3:02:15]: And all the times that that developer approached the city council, I believe that it was under false, probably pretenses. Also, I believe that there is an ordinance in the city of Stockbridge that requires that only [3:02:16, 3:02:36]: Thirty percent of housing can be either townhouses, apartments, condos, with one percent of that thirty percent being in the mobile home market, and that seventy percent of your housing must be either R A, R one, R two, or R three. And if that is the case, I'd like to know. [3:02:36, 3:02:46]: how this particular development is stacking up in the percentages. I've heard different numbers bandied about here as we have, as I've been listening tonight. [3:02:46, 3:03:06]: The other thing that I would like to address is the same thing that I heard Miss Gantt say as well, and that is that it was brought to her attention that schools and roads cannot be brought up when we are talking about a vote on this project. But I think that our schools and our roads are something that would really need to be addressed because [3:03:06, 3:03:26]: As Red Oak is certainly at capacity now. And even if you take just the lowest number, so 360 apartments would be 750 uh 720, say, cars if you have two adults in the household, with 102 townhomes, you're looking at 204 cars. [3:03:26, 3:03:43]: We're looking at 924 cars that you're adding that have to egress from the development and ingress at another time, at least one other time during the day. And that just sounds like it's a lot of traffic for that area. And if you think about how many children may be in these homes. [3:03:44, 3:03:55]: I'm even going to say let's say seven hundred and fifty and we divide it right down the middle, three hundred and seventy-five of them and three hundred seventy-five of them elementary, middle school, high school. [3:03:55, 3:04:08]: So we're looking at Red Oak Elementary that is at capacity. So we're thinking, what, maybe already we're going to need twelve modulars at that school and you're gonna need'em like that because these apartments are going to rent in a flash. [3:04:08, 3:04:22]: The other uh and it's kind of a complaint and it I don't know whether it is the city planner or whether he is on the zoning and planning board and he once again it was the sugarcoating of this project. [3:04:23, 3:04:26]: Ma'am, your time. [3:04:29, 3:04:41]: Ste ma'am, ma ma'am, stand by for one second, please. Uh Breca or maybe even Mr. Gardner, in reference to the ordinance, uh can you all answer that at this time? Yeah, uh in reference to that? Do you have an idea? [3:04:43, 3:04:43]: More toy. [3:04:45, 3:04:46]: That's the problem. [3:04:48, 3:04:50]: Can you hear me, Mr. Mayor? I I can hear you, sir. [3:04:50, 3:05:01]: Um we'd have to look that one up. Um I don't I don't remember if there's any existing RA properties here in the city. Fred me you got you've had to come in front, Fred. [3:05:04, 3:05:05]: What she's right here. [3:05:14, 3:05:20]: Brecker might be a little bit better at this than me, but I don't I think th the requirements did one percent to me in mobile homes. [3:05:21, 3:05:27]: Um, I haven't seen that in any of the ordinances, but that's not to say that might not exist, but [3:05:27, 3:05:33]: from a zoning district, as you guys pretty much know. I mean there's no RA property probably left in the city of Stockbridge. [3:05:33, 3:05:45]: That's one seventy-five lot rate at one acre lots. Um I don't think there's any of that still left um in the city limits. But um we could investigate it, but I this first time I when she said it, that's the first time I've heard of it. [3:05:46, 3:05:48]: Brucker, do you have anything that you can add to this? [3:05:48, 3:05:54]: No, nothing additional. Th we have a new code which is our UDC, um, which does not include that requirement. [3:05:55, 3:06:00]: Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Ma'am, please come forward. Name and address. [3:06:03, 3:06:15]: Good evening. My name is Camille Matkins and I live on Players Drive. Okay. And I just wanna say I don't think that anyone in this room is against growth, but I think as we see [3:06:15, 3:06:18]: the way the ho the entire area has changed [3:06:19, 3:06:22]: Talking about the traffic, it's just not just the traffic but [3:06:23, 3:06:36]: That intersection at I two eighty five and one hundred thirty eight, I have personally witnessed cars flipped where people have I don't know if they disregard the traffic light, they're trying to make a U turn. I don't know what they're trying to do, but there have been [3:06:36, 3:06:56]: serious traffic acc accidents there, a lot of them, not just one or two. And then we wanna talk about the schools and the elderly people. The schools are burst bursting at the seams. The children are our concern and people are talking about they're saying that the young people are a concern for us. But renters, we also know they reserve the right to come and go. [3:06:56, 3:07:16]: As they please. Homeowners don't move every six months. There may be some people that do, but that's typically not the mindset of a homeowner. They don't renters reserve the right to move when they get ready. Right now we have speeders up and down 138. They're racing up and down one 138. They're um speeding down Spidey Road. [3:07:16, 3:07:36]: And we want to talk about, and I have a different concern as it relates to our first responders, our police officers, our hospital staff, our police officers are already understaffed, underpaid, overworked, and with more residents. Where are we going to get the resources from? From Clayton County and Henry County to team up and tackle issues that are [3:07:36, 3:07:43]: rise with more residents and people that are coming and going and have no concern with how they live or how they even um [3:07:43, 3:07:45]: Contribute to the community. [3:07:45, 3:07:58]: This is gonna take away from well, I don't know about well, Henry County's tax dollars, we don't get any of that because like I said, our first responders, when they come, you know, what of where are we gonna get the the the staff? [3:07:58, 3:08:00]: to accommodate all of these new people. [3:08:00, 3:08:05]: And one good example that we if you want to show us what all this [3:08:06, 3:08:26]: This nice pretty little stuff is gonna look like you got exit 222 down there in Henry County that they did absolutely nothing with. A sp a Starbucks doesn't appeal to me. I need more than a Starbucks in my neighborhood to prove that it's growing. If I want Starbucks that bad, I can't come right down here and get Starbucks. So that doesn't appeal to me. [3:08:26, 3:08:40]: Me, show me what you're gonna do with all those acres that you cleared off right there at exit two twenty two that nobody has done anything with. You haven't shown us anything, any shopping, any restaurants, no nice and pretty shiny new mixed [3:08:40, 3:08:41]: Living um [3:08:42, 3:09:02]: Complexes. It just creates more work for already people for people that get all the trash that's up and down. Every business on Highway 138. Just like the gentleman talked about before. They came together to try and mitigate the trash and all of the issues. But if you care anything about more than your political [3:09:02, 3:09:07]: power in your pockets, you would say no to this in consideration of where we're coming from. [3:09:14, 3:09:15]: All right. [3:09:16, 3:09:27]: Ma'am, you've already had your ma'am, you've already had your opportunity. We I went I've I went to every section. I've already had your opportunity. I'm gonna close this out. Mr. Washington, I'm now gonna Mr. Ma'am, calm down. Calm down please. [3:09:28, 3:09:28]: Cut. [3:09:29, 3:09:32]: M Mr Washington, I'm now gonna close this public hearing. [3:09:36, 3:09:41]: I'm closing the public hearing, ladies and gentlemen. We've we've seen that, we've done that. Ma'am, ma'am, will you plea [3:09:42, 3:09:50]: Uh well the point I'm not gonna hit the galvel. I'm gonna get the police officers to come and just come where where where's my where's my you got it, Mr. Gardner? [3:09:51, 3:10:00]: Ma'am, will you please sit down, please? Or even depart. One or the other. Thank you. Take care. Public hearing is closed. Public hearings closed. [3:10:01, 3:10:03]: And you're things so [3:10:03, 3:10:05]: D [3:10:07, 3:10:11]: All right. The public the public hearing is closed. All right. [3:10:12, 3:10:14]: Public hearings closed. Council. [3:10:15, 3:10:35]: Council, we we we've heard we've heard the citizens. You made your comments. I don't I don't think there's any other comments that the council would make at this time. So what I need to know is whether or not we have a motion on the floor uh to uh go ahead and accept the the particular proposal to make the change. Sir, sir, let's let the applicant come back up and respond if we could. No, no, no, we ended it. [3:10:35, 3:10:44]: She had an opportunity. She didn't use her whole time. This is done. Maybe she might have an option to bring it up. Alexander, I'm sorry. It's done. We're not good. We're not gonna we're gonna close it. We public hearings closed. [3:10:44, 3:10:45]: No, I need a motion on the floor. [3:10:46, 3:10:47]: Okay. [3:10:48, 3:10:50]: Your Ford. Yes, ma'am. Um [3:10:51, 3:11:03]: Earlier what I asked about was the decrease in the number of units. Um just for the audience here, um I'm the newest member of the council. [3:11:05, 3:11:09]: Uh you haven't heard me say I've made a decision because I haven't. [3:11:10, 3:11:12]: Development is not something that I'm [3:11:13, 3:11:15]: Accustomed to, but I'm learning. [3:11:15, 3:11:18]: And one of the things that I've learned is [3:11:18, 3:11:20]: When it comes to these developments, the [3:11:21, 3:11:22]: No matter if we [3:11:23, 3:11:25]: Don't like them, don't agree with them. [3:11:26, 3:11:27]: Um for whatever reason. [3:11:28, 3:11:30]: We can't just deny it. [3:11:30, 3:11:33]: Агатулок до лего аспект. [3:11:33, 3:11:35]: That's why I asked for the city attorney. [3:11:36, 3:11:39]: And miss John Miss Carter to speak on it. [3:11:40, 3:11:41]: We can't look at just the [3:11:42, 3:11:46]: overcrowding of schools and the increase in traffic. [3:11:47, 3:11:49]: I have to think of the legal aspect. [3:11:50, 3:11:52]: And mitigate any legal. [3:11:52, 3:11:53]: Matters. [3:11:54, 3:11:55]: With our city. [3:11:55, 3:11:56]: So [3:11:56, 3:11:58]: I did suggest [3:11:58, 3:12:01]: Decreasing the number of units. [3:12:01, 3:12:02]: Um [3:12:02, 3:12:04]: If that's a possibility. [3:12:04, 3:12:06]: If it is a possibility. [3:12:06, 3:12:08]: А like for us to cut it in half. [3:12:08, 3:12:10]: If not less than that. [3:12:10, 3:12:16]: The apartments. If okay any other comments before we ask for a motion? I'm running in the motion here. [3:12:16, 3:12:26]: All right. Sir. Yes, yes, sir. Okay, so you um I mean they w they're will they um they might be willing to reduce the number, so can we at least hear out? See what we hear. [3:12:28, 3:12:30]: No, I'm o I'm okay with here in our house. [3:12:31, 3:12:37]: I'm Stand by. I'm okay with it. You all interested in listening to the I'm okay with it. [3:12:38, 3:12:45]: But my fleece. Go ahead. In in in my opinion on this, because there's a process in place. [3:12:46, 3:12:50]: And if we don't give that process to the citizens, why would we give it to the developers? [3:12:51, 3:13:11]: Fine. Fine. Right. Right. Okay, hold on. I want to appeal to the council to at least cause we I mean uh I mean everybody here wanna balance it. What if we could I mean if they're willing to offer less apartments, that's a good thing if we could hear her out. Okay, hold on a second. [3:13:11, 3:13:17]: Okay. All right. All right. So you're f you're in favor of that? Miss Barber you're in favor of that? At this time? [3:13:18, 3:13:32]: I like for us to add conditions. Okay, that's about you in favor of what he's talking about? I'm in favor of hearing what the um what they have to say in regards to the amount of com apartment complexes, yes. Last three already. You how about you gentlemen down here? [3:13:34, 3:13:35]: Well one second. [3:13:36, 3:13:37]: You guys got anything? [3:13:38, 3:13:38]: All right. [3:13:39, 3:13:41]: Ms. Ballard, bring bring the gentleman back up, please. [3:13:46, 3:14:05]: We have three conditions we would like to offer up. Go ahead. The first would be to reduce the total number of apartment units to three fifteen from three sixty. Um, I'd like I'd like to finish the total number of three bedroom units to no more than five percent. [3:14:07, 3:14:27]: And we would like to place a restriction on nail salons, beauty salons, barbershops, and um I believe that already exists though. Right. Well we want it we we want that to be clear because it seems like there's some confusion with regards to that. We want this to be a quality facility. If there are any other use. [3:14:27, 3:14:47]: uses that you all would like to prohibit and want to add that we just we'd like to know what those are, but we want to make sure that those are usually the typical ones like vape shops and things of that nature. We're not looking to do any of that. So we want that to be put on the record that we cannot even if you change your ordinance later, those would still be in place. [3:14:47, 3:14:49]: And that's the only reason why I suggested putting those on there. [3:14:50, 3:14:58]: Okay, Mr Mr Washington. And if there's anything else, um we would be open to any other restrictions with regards to the uh come to podium, please, sir. [3:15:01, 3:15:04]: Ms. Battle and please stand by. Mr. Washington. [3:15:12, 3:15:32]: Okay, you just heard the three conditions, additional conditions that they want based on a consensus, simple consensus for the council. Now I didn't get a motion just yet, but here for a different slightly different reasoning. How can we legally do this if this is they have additional conditions? It's a little different than what was presented initially here. How do we legally handle that and do that properly if we want to take a vote? [3:15:32, 3:15:33]: Vote on this now. [3:15:35, 3:15:41]: Good evening everyone. Council will just need to amend the agenda and decide if they wanted to put the conditions in the amendment for a resolution. [3:15:45, 3:15:50]: It's not actually resolved, it only comes after this when you actually put conditions. [3:15:50, 3:15:57]: Hmm. That's true. Let me let Mr. Gardner Mr. Gardner, let me let you just speak to them about that. But [3:15:58, 3:16:03]: Mayor Council, right now you you guys are considering a comp plan amendment. [3:16:04, 3:16:19]: It's not the actual zoning. The zoning is the next phase of this where you would actually put conditions if you approve it, that's where your conditions would go. It wouldn't go as part of the te the change in the comp line amendment. You're changing the future land use map to allow for density. If that's approved [3:16:20, 3:16:25]: Then the rezoning you hear the rezoning and at that point you put conditions on it. If you deny [3:16:26, 3:16:46]: The comp plan amendment. By virtue of that, the zoning is renowned. So otherwise otherwise the way it is written right now for the public hearing for what's written in the in for the a charter w written tonight for our agenda, we have to vote on it that way. You can't change anything. That is to change the comp plan, which is different from the actual zoning. [3:16:45, 3:16:48]: Rezoning of the property. [3:16:49, 3:17:09]: All right. All right. One second. Yes, Mr. Alexander. Yeah. That being the case. And by police. That being the case, this is a two-step process that we have to uh approve this section here. Uh we can add those zoning conditions uh in the [3:17:09, 3:17:29]: the uh rezoning portion. The comp plan here is looking to be changed. So based on that information, I will make a motion to uh approve the change to the comp plan so we can actually hear the rezoning, uh uh hear the rezoning. [3:17:29, 3:17:32]: zoning out uh in its full presentation. [3:17:33, 3:17:40]: All right. Is there a second to that motion? Mayor, I actually have a question for you. Okay, what's your question, sir? My question is for you, uh Mr. Gardner. [3:17:41, 3:17:46]: If the if a request goes out to change for the uh comp plan [3:17:46, 3:17:51]: Then this sets a precedence for future comp plans of this nature. Is that correct? [3:17:53, 3:18:03]: Because if we're changing the if we're changing is there's a request to change the comp plan for future developments of this nature that would result from this comp plan. Not not really. Um [3:18:03, 3:18:05]: When you're doing [3:18:05, 3:18:21]: Complet amendments are rezoning, those are considered legislative actions. So it's at the discretion of the governing body if they choose to make those changes or not. Um But my go my question is is that this is not this is not project specific though. [3:18:21, 3:18:40]: Right. So if you you can you can you can deny this and approve something across the street, which is different, but that's based on the legislative decision of the of the coun of the council. So you're not you're not held to a standard that says if you give this person, you gotta give that person, only when you're doing re when you're doing a variance. [3:18:41, 3:18:54]: is where you actually put because that's a quasi judicial proceeding. So if you grant one, anybody else who comes in behind and meet the same criteria, if you deny them, the likelihood is that they'll sue and win. [3:18:55, 3:19:07]: Yeah, but that's the that's a totally different we're we're not dealing with the barons, we're dealing with the overall comp plan the comp changing it. The company the comp plan the comp plan amendment is a legislative action. [3:19:08, 3:19:28]: You can do one thing here and do something totally different at the next and as long as it meets the requirements of the when you make those amendments you follow the the procedures, which the advertising of it, making folks know where the location is, those type of things and the staff went through the criteria of reviewing whether or not it makes sense, right? And they make [3:19:28, 3:19:48]: A recommendation to you that says, yes, this meet the requirements as it relates to our procedures under the Zoning Procedures Act. So as long as they do that, they're fine, you're fine. Um I hope that answers your question, but you don't you don't held to the same thing. [3:19:48, 3:19:48]: Actually. [3:19:49, 3:19:56]: What we do here with this amendment, if we agree to it, is sets a precedence. [3:19:56, 3:20:03]: that we still can direct, but then we can still find ourselves in litigation because now we're being project specific. [3:20:04, 3:20:04]: No. [3:20:05, 3:20:19]: No. Go ahead. Go ahead, Mr. Garrison. You you're you're approving this uh uh to allow for a a plan unit development. You don't have to do the same thing across the street, Mr. Blount. If you choose to even though you have property similarly located [3:20:19, 3:20:21]: And they come in for a different [3:20:21, 3:20:25]: use, you you don't have to give them the same thing you give the person on the other side of the street. [3:20:26, 3:20:31]: That's what I'm but I understand, but with the with the with the legislative amendment to it, that's when you can find yourself in litigation. [3:20:33, 3:20:37]: No, once again, we never say legislative action. [3:20:39, 3:20:40]: The courts have given [3:20:41, 3:21:01]: Local government's wide discretion because you know your local layer of land more better than somebody sitting at the state house or in on in the Supreme Court of Georgia. So they give you that wide-range discretion to make legislative decisions as to rezonings, any amendments you make to your future land use plan or your comp plan. They allow for [3:21:01, 3:21:06]: you guys to make that because you guys are closer to the ground. So they they they adhere to that. [3:21:07, 3:21:27]: The problem is when you look at variances, that has a legal process to go through. And that's why the standards is if you give her and he is similar located and you deny him, he has the right to sue and he could prove the fact that she was he was similar located to her and she was treated different. And that language is actually in the review process when staff review [3:21:27, 3:21:39]: a variance, you go through it, that language is actually in there. Has there been any other property asked for similar type relief? And if so, was that approved or denied? That that's our language is actually in the review process. [3:21:40, 3:21:40]: Yeah. [3:21:42, 3:22:02]: But when you talk when you're adding variance in there, we're talking two different we're talking I'm trying to talk about. What I'm talking about specifically for right now, when you start to talk about variance is what's going on now, we're talking two different things. So whatever action you take on this project. [3:22:01, 3:22:03]: property, you don't set a precedent. [3:22:05, 3:22:10]: Because you have that legislative decision to make it, whether you make it on this one or somewhere else. That's what I was saying. [3:22:10, 3:22:11]: Okay. [3:22:11, 3:22:13]: Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. [3:22:15, 3:22:16]: Mr. Washington. [3:22:18, 3:22:23]: You you heard all this discussion. Are we alone legal what standby? Are we on legal ground here? [3:22:25, 3:22:25]: Okay. [3:22:26, 3:22:29]: What is your motion now, Mr. Alexander? Uh [3:22:30, 3:22:31]: I'm sorry. Go ahead. [3:22:37, 3:22:39]: As legal, we're gonna always take the position. [3:22:39, 3:22:43]: That is not best to legislate something comprehensive. [3:22:44, 3:22:44]: On the fly. [3:22:45, 3:23:05]: That's currently what's happening right now. You all have the decision in the latter two, as Mr. Gardner and I have said, to do whatever you choose because you are the elected representatives. However, what is before you is a two-step process, as Mr. Gardner said. Now, the reason why that's important is because if you all make a decision about one specific entity, right, whatever the reason. [3:23:05, 3:23:25]: Reasoning is in whatever the grant that we give them, that can be used for another specific entity that comes in with similar characteristics. And if it's not, that's where you may run into litigation problems. But ultimately it's up to you all because we're going way down the if-then decision tree. Like we're starting up here and we're going further and further and further down to something that may never happen, but that's up to you all. [3:23:25, 3:23:26]: automate that call about. [3:23:27, 3:23:30]: Thank you, sir. [3:23:31, 3:23:34]: But you said something that was interesting, what I'm leading to. [3:23:35, 3:23:38]: We're about to make the a decision on the fly off of something we all haven't [3:23:39, 3:23:53]: gone through our sales to even talk about ins out west and all of this. We're making it on the fly because of something project specific that pertains to it. This the what I'm talking about right here. That this council is getting ready to make a decision. [3:23:53, 3:23:56]: Pertaining to this because of a certain project. [3:23:56, 3:24:16]: That has just come forward to us. That's what I'm saying. And that's what you just said about attorney. We shouldn't make decisions like that. Right. It's it's totally you all's decision. You all the legislative body and we deal with the facts as you present them. The issue is that if there are a certain set of characteristics, right, on the executive side, and Ms. Carter, you can tell me. [3:24:16, 3:24:27]: whether how you would deal with this, whatever you would legislate for the similarities of this particular project would be something that they would have to have in-house. And correct me if I'm wrong. [3:24:27, 3:24:31]: They would have to have in house to make sure that whatever decision that they made. [3:24:32, 3:24:38]: on something else that came along, whether it was two fifty, three hundred, et cetera, you it would get the similar treatment by the city. [3:24:38, 3:24:42]: Well I'm gonna leave it at this. Because we had a right to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. [3:24:43, 3:24:44]: That's probably true. [3:24:45, 3:24:46]: [12288.2, 12292.2]: Go ahead, Ms. Carter, you came to the podium, so you have something to add to this? I do not. [3:24:53, 3:24:55]: All right. Back to you, Ms. Allison. [3:24:56, 3:24:57]: [12297.4, 12307.6]: At this point we gotta move forward or we gotta make a decision. So um at this point, um in order to actually even hear the actual rezoning. [3:25:08, 3:25:16]: Uh we have to move forward with progress in the city. So I want to make a motion to approve the comp plan so we can actually hear the zoning. [3:25:17, 3:25:34]: You approve the comp specifically on the comp specifically on the comp plan so we can approve the zone. And do you need to say I believe you need to say what those specifics are in this aspect? Uh as rec as uh well we we we that that'll actually be in the rezoning, the specifics on the on the coding changes. Okay. [3:25:35, 3:25:36]: Is there a second to a motion? [3:25:39, 3:25:40]: Is there a second to the motion? [3:25:41, 3:25:43]: No cycling of motion. Motion fails. [3:25:43, 3:25:57]: Now, if the motion fails, go back to the original motion was originally on uh the the agenda tonight dealt with the uh proposal that was presented to us tonight, in a motion on what was originally presented tonight. Is there a motion for that? [3:25:58, 3:26:02]: Mayor. Yes Mayor so so so moved? So move. [3:26:02, 3:26:03]: One second, is there a second? [3:26:05, 3:26:05]: Is there a second? [3:26:07, 3:26:08]: Ms. Gann, go ahead, please. [3:26:08, 3:26:14]: Mayor, just one brief comment on that. I'm and I I just needed a little bit of clarity. [3:26:14, 3:26:31]: If we did the land use the um future plan land use in twenty eighteen, I believe all of us were here except for one person. Right. And our comp plan in twenty eighteen. Right. So my reason for denying this right now is because I was here and I voted for what I wanted in twenty eighteen. Right. [3:26:32, 3:26:35]: And I'm not ready to revise it until we sit down [3:26:35, 3:26:46]: as a collaborative effort within the mayor and council and come up with a uh revise or amend our plan as a whole, not piecemeal it. So m my vote is no. [3:26:52, 3:27:02]: And and no offense, I'm not trying to to get an audience applaud. I I live on Walt Stevens and I go up Spear Road. I'm not tr uh don't [3:27:03, 3:27:10]: Don't take it that way. I don't take this lightly. I'm doing what I really truly believe is in the best interest of the city of Stopford. [3:27:11, 3:27:16]: All right, all right, now we still have an item before us. [3:27:17, 3:27:37]: And now I think Mr uh well who was you, Mr. Alexander asked uh uh asked for the vote, right? I'm asking for a vote. You said you you're willing to put a motion on the floor. Once again, is there a second to the motion to on the floor for the items that were as written, as presented tonight on the agenda? Is there a second? What what needs to be understood is that it's if this doesn't [3:27:36, 3:27:41]: [12462.1, 12468.4]: What what were you saying, please? If this does not if this portion doesn't pass, there's no rezoning to hear. [3:27:48, 3:27:51]: Okay, I got it. I understand. But is there a second? [3:27:52, 3:27:53]: Is there a second? [3:27:53, 3:28:13]: Well the motion does no second can't pass it. Now, Mr. Mr. Washington, back to you, sir. If we refuse and don't have a second on the motion to accept us, then uh we're not voting on the issues before us. That means the old that it gets dropped. I it's just as it gets dropped. So if it gets dropped with no vote, then they have they cannot bring this back forward for a certain amount of time. [3:28:13, 3:28:14]: Or not. [3:28:14, 3:28:18]: What happens here? Come come to forward please. Come to the podium. [3:28:37, 3:28:55]: It would be a period of time when talking to Miss Carter is either six months or two years and I can look that up and let you know. Six months, two two years a time frame where they can break. It's either six months or two years. We when with the revisions we did to the UDC. What that's what we were trying to look up. Okay, so and Miss Johnson is that she's double checking now or or what? It's a year. I can I can double check it. [3:28:56, 3:29:00]: We haven't denied it, but So you [3:29:00, 3:29:07]: I can double check it, but I don't know. Let me just be clear. It's always been off the top of my head, I do not know. Okay. I can look that up and tell you. [3:29:08, 3:29:24]: All right, so otherwise counsel if we don't vote on this tonight, no vote. Then at the issue drops and the next issue for the public hearing also drops as well and we move on. Yeah. And then you'll have somehow have to judge make a judgment call, not judgment call, excuse me, a legal a reason whether it's a six months, a year or two years before they can come back before us. [3:29:25, 3:29:25]: Yeah. [3:29:26, 3:29:30]: I look I can look that up. All right. I'll go look that up. Thank you. Move on. We do that. We're moving on. [3:29:31, 3:29:33]: All right. We had um [3:29:35, 3:29:38]: What's next would be actually uh new business. [3:29:38, 3:29:44]: I have here council consideration approved, updated, and revised policies and sections of the employment manual. Ms. Wheeler, please. [3:29:56, 3:29:57]: [12600.2, 12601.0]: Huh? [3:30:01, 3:30:02]: What time is it? [3:30:03, 3:30:06]: It's number eleven. I got number eleven. [3:30:06, 3:30:07]: Ms. Wheeler. [3:30:09, 3:30:19]: Ma'am Ford, would you mind a five minute recess please? Yeah. All right. Well let let's do this then. Fast the case. Council, we uh I need a motion for five minute recess. [3:30:19, 3:30:26]: So so move, ms Ms Gam? Miss Ms. Barber second that. All in favor, please indicate. Five minute recess. [3:30:26, 3:30:30]: Thank you. Okay, I believe we have a simple majority. Five minute recess then. [3:30:50, 3:30:50]: All right. [3:30:51, 3:30:52]: Testing, testing. [3:32:15, 3:32:16]: Top of the practice. [3:32:28, 3:32:34]: So design failure. [3:32:50, 3:32:55]: Okay, I got it. [3:33:00, 3:33:00]: Really? [3:33:20, 3:33:26]: Yeah, so yeah, yeah. [3:34:04, 3:34:13]: She can she can show that by the baby single person. [3:34:14, 3:34:20]: So you've got to find this. [3:34:25, 3:34:38]: Like like take a lot of something like something like that. [3:34:39, 3:34:45]: [12900.3, 12902.3]: [3:35:04, 3:35:10]: [12940.0, 12948.3]: I would be for [3:35:48, 3:35:49]: That's [3:36:07, 3:36:09]: Always. [3:36:14, 3:36:15]: Even put on the side. [3:36:22, 3:36:23]: How much is that? [3:36:24, 3:36:25]: Well I think that's [3:36:28, 3:36:30]: [13000.5, 13006.3]: I think that was that one. [3:36:46, 3:36:50]: It's a lesson. [3:37:10, 3:37:13]: the old thing I've been doing. [3:37:20, 3:37:26]: [13046.6, 13050.7]: No, I wasn't that. [3:37:35, 3:37:35]: Yeah. [3:37:38, 3:37:39]: Would you know? [3:37:55, 3:37:56]: [13076.3, 13078.7]: Yeah, it's the same way. [3:37:59, 3:38:03]: Yeah. [3:38:04, 3:38:05]: That's great. [3:39:19, 3:39:22]: Here I wouldn't come. [3:39:25, 3:39:33]: I know I couldn't get it I just went out and listened to the always and made my way to I did not do that. [3:39:33, 3:39:35]: Yeah, I think that's right. [3:39:38, 3:39:43]: [13248.2, 13249.3]: Gates. [3:41:00, 3:41:04]: [13315.0, 13325.1]: You're gonna make that left right and then drive past cars. Maybe you want to power slide. [3:42:06, 3:42:17]: Which one do you want? The media? The one that's so you don't have it too personally? I do. I have the this one right here. [3:42:19, 3:42:25]: So when you use this one, you're gonna have to pause it or use it to open. How do you use this? [3:42:26, 3:42:31]: 'Cause that's the promo and that's the PowerPoint and then this is together. [3:42:36, 3:42:56]: It's a video. You see what I'm saying? So you just have to pause it. Go to video twenty seconds. That's fine. Because I I gave my stuff what majority of Mustard's quarters I do so I guess. [3:42:56, 3:43:08]: you know, I know I know it's what uh and stop it. Okay. So we'll do that one. Okay, but it's it's this one right here. Okay. Fanfest one with the front so you just double click it and let it [3:43:09, 3:43:10]: Shortens each. [3:43:12, 3:43:25]: We're gonna keep y'all here for another two and a half hours. Wait. [3:43:34, 3:43:54]: I don't know what she said about it. All of the information has already been presented to them, so we're just representing it and looking for an answer. I'm re testing it and then I'll teach it. Sure, sweet. It's only like a ten minute p uh video. I'm just five. [3:43:54, 3:43:54]: Yeah. [3:43:55, 3:43:57]: It's with the presentation. [3:44:08, 3:44:24]: Well, that's the prison. Okay. [3:44:25, 3:44:30]: So I think I did that. Oh that was amazing. I see. [3:44:32, 3:44:47]: Me, because they've seen the video. Mm-hmm. How I make it bigger? So this is the one without the video? Mm-hmm. Okay, let's go. It's just the PowerPoint. What is this? The video is what a minute? Yeah. So you'll just [3:44:49, 3:44:52]: Yeah, everybody's seeing the video. [3:44:53, 3:45:02]: All right ladies and gentlemen, let's come reconvene our meeting please. Council please go back in place. Uh clerks in place. Mr. Attorney, Mr. Washington, please. [3:45:06, 3:45:08]: Ms. Wheeler, you're up next. [3:45:19, 3:45:25]: All right. Here was once again. Night item number eleven. Council co I'm going to reconvene our council meeting for the [3:45:25, 3:45:31]: June thirteenth, the council consideration to approve updated and revised policies and sections of the employment manual. [3:45:32, 3:45:35]: Miss Wheeler, our H R manager, please present. [3:45:35, 3:45:37]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. [3:45:38, 3:45:41]: Um what you have in your booklets are [3:45:41, 3:45:47]: about four policies that needed either to be updated or revised in the employee manual. [3:45:48, 3:45:51]: Um there are various sections. The first one [3:45:51, 3:45:55]: Um had already been voted on or brought before you by [3:45:55, 3:45:56]: Chief Tramer. [3:45:56, 3:46:02]: Um wanting to make the probationary period for police officers twelve months. [3:46:02, 3:46:05]: So we currently have to update the handbook. [3:46:05, 3:46:07]: to indicate that the twelve months [3:46:08, 3:46:12]: Would be the probationary period for police officers only. [3:46:12, 3:46:15]: Um, that is one change in section four point. [3:46:15, 3:46:17]: Zero point zero zero. [3:46:18, 3:46:30]: The other section that was being updated was the workplace violence policy. It was be expanded to include anti-bullying along with the workplace violence policy that we already have in place. [3:46:33, 3:46:41]: The section the third section was on infection disease control policy. We did not have a policy [3:46:41, 3:46:45]: Прай то за пандемик в дел від інфекціону. [3:46:46, 3:46:48]: So we wanted to update the policy [3:46:48, 3:46:57]: to state exactly what we would strive for in our essential services and to update that part of the handbook uh with that policy. [3:47:01, 3:47:05]: The other section deals with meal breaks and um meal [3:47:05, 3:47:07]: And break period section six point [3:47:08, 3:47:08]: Zero [3:47:09, 3:47:11]: That section was just to allow [3:47:11, 3:47:12]: Um [3:47:13, 3:47:17]: mothers to be able to have a private location. Um [3:47:17, 3:47:20]: for lactation purposes, for those [3:47:20, 3:47:25]: who want to express milk for their children. So we're adding that to the policy. [3:47:25, 3:47:28]: Legislatures voted on it back in twenty twenty. [3:47:28, 3:47:35]: So we're updating that part on meal and break periods to allow for extra breaks uh for mothers. [3:47:36, 3:47:43]: And then section six two zero point one hundred is a new policy that we're putting in place or we're asking for your permission. [3:47:44, 3:48:00]: to put in place deals with alternative work schedule policy. And with this policy, it will deal with various definitions of what types of alternative work schedule options are available to our employees in the event that um [3:48:00, 3:48:02]: This can be um [3:48:03, 3:48:04]: Provided [3:48:05, 3:48:05]: To offer [3:48:06, 3:48:13]: Flex time, transitional, flexible work arrangements, compressed work weeks, or telecommuting for our employees. [3:48:14, 3:48:17]: And some of the benefits to the employee by offering it [3:48:18, 3:48:23]: Is that the rise of flexible work during the pandemic has created an opportunity? [3:48:23, 3:48:30]: for employers to improve the work experience for existing employees and enhance the recruitment and retention strategies. [3:48:30, 3:48:36]: for human resources. In addition, it helps with work-life balance and improves productivity. [3:48:37, 3:48:49]: There was a study done by the Harvard Business Review, which showed 80% of US knowledge workers prefer a hybrid of in-office and remote work going forward. [3:48:49, 3:48:57]: US companies and some governments have started by making a pandemic era flexibility a pe a permanent offering for all. [3:48:57, 3:49:05]: Employers cannot go back to the traditional work environment. It's time to make work more flexible and it's the step in the right direction. [3:49:06, 3:49:17]: Thank you, Miss Wheeler. Council, any questions for Ms. Wheeler here on these potential changes uh to the to the HR policy, to our manual, employee manual. Yes, ma'am, go ahead please. [3:49:18, 3:49:25]: I know we talked about um the probationary period in terms of um bonuses. [3:49:26, 3:49:27]: Last year. [3:49:27, 3:49:32]: You mentioned that with the police department there's a twelve month [3:49:32, 3:49:34]: Probationary period. [3:49:35, 3:49:37]: But only a ninety day for [3:49:37, 3:49:39]: Civilian employees [3:49:40, 3:49:41]: Why the difference? [3:49:42, 3:49:51]: Well, we've always had the ninety-day employment for regular administrative staff and public work staff since the [3:49:52, 3:49:54]: Since you've brought on the police department. [3:49:55, 3:49:59]: Містер Чиф Траймер газ астафсворн персонал. [3:50:00, 3:50:02]: He wants them to have a twelve month. [3:50:02, 3:50:03]: Um [3:50:04, 3:50:05]: probationary period. [3:50:06, 3:50:07]: Um [3:50:08, 3:50:18]: Apparently there is no issue with imposing this for police personnel and having it separate from administrative personnel, as long as it's stated clearly in the handbook. [3:50:20, 3:50:36]: I want to make sure that it is clear and I believe we approved a resolution um in regards to the twelve months um for all new hires to be eligible for the I guess it was bonus or incentives. [3:50:37, 3:50:40]: We did approve a resolution of some sort. [3:50:41, 3:50:42]: Did we not? [3:50:44, 3:50:44]: Um [3:50:45, 3:50:49]: I'd ask. The only incentive that you approved was for the vaccination. [3:50:50, 3:50:53]: incentive program that we did earlier this year. [3:50:54, 3:51:13]: No ma'am. We were discussing about the bonus. Um and I made a point of saying the chief was just hired. Um and I know that bonuses are normally given out in October. He was just November. All right. November of every year. Mr. Gardner's gonna be an answer to this. [3:51:15, 3:51:15]: Yeah. [3:51:15, 3:51:24]: Councilmember, I think that was the resolution y'all approved for the I can't hear you, I'm sorry. I'm thinking this is the mic, I'm sorry. [3:51:24, 3:51:27]: I promise I hadn't been drinking. I didn't ignore the mic. [3:51:27, 3:51:34]: Um I think you guys approved a resolution regarding the ARPA funds for those vaccinated. That was [3:51:34, 3:51:48]: Was it twelve did they have to be here twelve months? This is something completely separate. Oh I'm sorry. I will ask Madam Clerk or maybe the city attorney, you all recall the conversation in regards to bonuses. [3:51:48, 3:51:50]: That we had last year? [3:51:50, 3:52:06]: I wanna I wanted to make sure because we were hiring a lot of police officers and um I wanted them to at least serve one full year before they were eligible to receive bonuses. I wanted it across the board. [3:52:07, 3:52:09]: Not just for police department. [3:52:09, 3:52:14]: and police officers, but for all employees when they are hired. [3:52:14, 3:52:18]: You must work a full year before you're eligible to [3:52:19, 3:52:37]: for any cost of living increases or whatever those incentives was. But this was not um in regards to the ARPA and vaccination program. This is completely separate. In fact it was prior to then I believe. All right. Miss Holliday, I believe you have a comment, ma'am? [3:52:37, 3:52:53]: Uh yes, that was that was approved, uh, Councilwoman Barber during the budget process. That was included. That was one of the items that was included during the budget process. Okay, so with that change, would that be added to our personnel policy? [3:52:53, 3:52:55]: Or is that just a [3:52:55, 3:52:57]: Resolution [3:52:58, 3:53:05]: have that added into our policy because that can change at any time based on budgetary con um [3:53:05, 3:53:14]: approval by the council, so we don't want to put that in a policy. Okay. This is strictly for probationary for police personnel only. Thank you. [3:53:16, 3:53:18]: All right, any other questions for Miss Wheeler, Council? [3:53:18, 3:53:20]: Yeah. Go ahead, please sir. [3:53:21, 3:53:26]: I I I Miss Holliday, I I kinda do remember that. Was that something voted on or was it a request? [3:53:28, 3:53:48]: Okay, got you. Uh Miss Wheeler, I I'm I'm fine with the twelve months probationary period because the the police department, unlike any r regular employees, there's a lot of different SOPs that are interchanging throughout the year when it comes to operations in the police department. So with those changes those [3:53:48, 3:54:08]: Those things can, you know, you you definitely sometimes take twelve months to see what see what you're dealing with with those different SOPs. I see some a couple of officers back there looking at them, yeah, you know what he's talking about. But yeah, that's uh so I'm I'm okay with the uh twelve month probationary period. So because there's parameters within the probationary period that uh chief probably wouldn't [3:54:08, 3:54:09]: have outside of that. [3:54:10, 3:54:13]: Right. And I think he brought that before you all at the last council meeting. [3:54:14, 3:54:29]: He uh the chief tramer had brought that before you all at the last council meeting where you all had approved that. So we're just adding the language into the employee manual to fit with that resolution. I think it was a resolution. [3:54:30, 3:54:31]: Mayor. [3:54:31, 3:54:43]: Yes. I have um additional question for Miss Wheeler. Are these the only changes that you're gonna be bringing forward? Are you still working? No, these are the only changes that need to be brought forward. [3:54:43, 3:54:52]: Okay, I have a couple of recommendations that I'd like to uh be considered um changed. Um [3:54:54, 3:55:03]: Performance reviews for all employees. All of them. Um relax that is included in the handbook. [3:55:04, 3:55:07]: But I think we need to revisit it and [3:55:07, 3:55:16]: ensure that the language is clear for all those um department heads who have direct reports, including this council. [3:55:18, 3:55:21]: All employees should receive annual performance reviews. [3:55:22, 3:55:27]: That is listed in the employee manual. Um performance reviews are to be given annually. [3:55:28, 3:55:31]: to all employees. I want [3:55:31, 3:55:32]: So [3:55:32, 3:55:39]: I guess what I'm trying to do help me Mr Washington. I just want to make it a at least listen to my bottle. [3:55:40, 3:55:57]: What's your point of order, sir? My my point of order and I and I I I understand what council councilwoman barber is saying, but if she would formulate those questions, because those questions and additives need to be voted on by council and but right now it's almost a directive. So if she would just put that together [3:55:57, 3:56:02]: And what she would recommend to be done, but that has nothing to do with the question at hand that needs a motion on [3:56:03, 3:56:23]: Okay, if we are discussing the employee handbook. No, we're not. We're not discussing the employee handbook. We're we're we're asking for this re revised. Councilman Wise, if you allow me to finish my point. Everybody hold up for a second. Allow me to finish my point. Okay, now there are four four different changes that you re that you recommended to put in the [3:56:22, 3:56:40]: uh employee handbook at this time is that correct? Four four changes. Okay. Four to five changes. Excuse me now? Yes about four to five changes. Four to five changes. All right. Now what I believe Miss Barber just asked about the about the actual um uh evaluations is already in the employee handbook. It's already in there. Is that correct? [3:56:40, 3:56:43]: Yes. Okay, so it's al it's already in there I know it's already in there. [3:56:43, 3:56:49]: What I am if you allow me to finish. It okay, go ahead. If it's already in the book, but anyway, go ahead. [3:56:52, 3:56:53]: Performance reviews. [3:56:54, 3:57:04]: as well as HR's responsibility in investigating claims of employees. Is that is that already [3:57:04, 3:57:21]: With my suggestions. But but but but but is it already in the pl it might not I'm suggesting, but what point? If it's already in the pl uh handbook is there. If it's if it's suggestion, I think there is some correction correctness when we must have uh My suggestions are to revise the language. [3:57:21, 3:57:22]: To make it [3:57:23, 3:57:25]: requirements and not just [3:57:26, 3:57:46]: Optional. Well, how about this? How about I think the Mr. Blount's got a very valid point here. If there are some revisions that you want to make, that's something that the entire council needs to be to probably discuss. Right now we're focusing on these for the four or five changes you're presenting, and this could these additional recommendations that come further, it can come next month or whatever the case may be. We're not voting. [3:57:46, 3:57:52]: on these four or five items individually. We are voting on them as one [3:57:52, 3:58:03]: item that's listed on this agenda. W we're we're voting on these items, yes. Uh but but if you we we we're voting on it as a collective unit. Now if the council wants to vote on in them individually we can do that. [3:58:04, 3:58:07]: And we can break it out and do that if that's the case. It just takes a simple majority to pass it. [3:58:09, 3:58:11]: I like for us to vote on individually. [3:58:12, 3:58:20]: Okay, fine. We can do that. Let's go buy the you got items individually, present them individually. We'll vote'em. No, hold on. We'll vote'em individually. That's fine. So be it. [3:58:21, 3:58:22]: Well well, excuse me. [3:58:23, 3:58:31]: Make a motion, please. Someone make a motion if that's what you want to do. If you want to do it individually, we'll make a motion. If not, we're gonna go forward with with the items as is. [3:58:31, 3:58:34]: Okay. Is there a motion a vote on these individually or not? [3:58:35, 3:58:35]: Is there a motion? [3:58:36, 3:58:38]: Is a move. Is there a second? [3:58:39, 3:58:40]: Is there a second? [3:58:41, 3:58:42]: No second. Let's go [3:58:44, 3:59:02]: No second. So let's go on with the four or five different items that Drew presented to us. I'll need a motion to approve or or or not approve those. If there are additional recommendations, we can deal with those additional recommendations at a different time for the for the updates in the employee handbook. It can always come forward for a for a different time in this aspect. So is there a motion to accept [3:59:03, 3:59:05]: Mr. Bronson moved there. [3:59:05, 3:59:13]: Okay, got it. Second. All in favor of the the five different changes or updates that Miss Wheeler has presented. Are you in favor of this, please? [3:59:14, 3:59:17]: M okay, I got three four, mister Mr. [3:59:18, 3:59:23]: I had a discussion and I was trying to um my phone my my my [3:59:24, 3:59:30]: phone was off, the intercom was off, but I didn't get a chance to weigh in. If I may, if may I. [3:59:30, 3:59:31]: Go ahead, sir, please. [3:59:34, 3:59:41]: I sent an email out to council last evening suggesting that these items be separated. [3:59:42, 3:59:50]: Um and voted on individually. I did not get any feedback uh from that, but I would have seconded this. [3:59:51, 3:59:54]: But just looking at the lateness of the time. [3:59:55, 3:59:56]: You know [3:59:58, 4:00:02]: I I you know, originally this is what I wanted to do. [4:00:02, 4:00:07]: But just looking at the lateness of time, but let me for for clarity. So [4:00:07, 4:00:09]: Did you suggest, Mayor? [4:00:10, 4:00:29]: That we will vote on the item that was presented tonight, but we could come back and and discuss and vote on these things individually. No, what I suggested was the fact that whether or not since was brought up, whether or not there was a motion to vote on these individually. [4:00:29, 4:00:33]: All right, and it takes a simple consensus to pass them individually or [4:00:33, 4:00:53]: The the the idea was to vote'em all collectively as one unit. And so far as far as I understand, we just got a motion and a second and actually had a vote uh to actually pass it or pass everything as a collective unit, all five uh inputs that were brought forward. And any type of other recommendations can come back at a later time frame, come back to [4:00:53, 4:00:59]: to the the general uh to the council and with HR present to for any additional recommendation if that's the case to move it on. [4:01:00, 4:01:20]: That's that's what happened. And I don't actually know you spoke a lot a lot of you spoke obviously, but uh it actually passed. But we can do it again if that's the case. Well no, I'm I'm I'm fine with that, but I'll just say this to Councilwoman Barber. Uh that was my sentiment as well, and I'll be willing to um work to bring [4:01:20, 4:01:25]: [14489.3, 14500.5]: Yes, ma'am. I do have a I've captured the vote for Councilman Blount, Councilwoman Gantt, Councilman Alexander. I don't have a vote captured for Councilman Thomas. [4:01:40, 4:01:51]: No, yeah, she got she got that. She got you in favor. Well I okay so in the motion that was on the floor resting to collect and do do this to vote this all collectively one unit. I have three votes for. Ms. Barber, what is your vote? [4:01:53, 4:01:54]: I'm abstaining. [4:01:54, 4:02:04]: Okay. Mr Mr uh Mayor Portem, what should you vote? I will say no. Okay, so three uh three one one. We'll m thank you. We'll move on. All right. Thank you, Miss Wheeler. [4:02:05, 4:02:16]: Okay, what we have next, council consideration to fill a vacancy and appoint a member of the youth council advisory committee to fill unexpired term. Presented by Mr. Washington, it says here. [4:02:36, 4:02:45]: We actually had two, um, Miss Tony Williams and Mr. Michael Fields for two positions. And so those were the only two that we had in my understanding is we have two vacancies. [4:02:45, 4:02:46]: Okay. [4:02:47, 4:02:47]: So [4:02:48, 4:02:50]: Did I hear someone say one? Mr Garner. [4:02:51, 4:02:53]: It looks as though we have one vacancy, not two. [4:02:54, 4:02:57]: We had a discussion about this, so it's it's one vacancy? [4:02:57, 4:02:58]: And two people? [4:03:01, 4:03:02]: Okay. [4:03:02, 4:03:10]: So we have one vacancy and two applicants. The applicants are Mr. Ms. Tony Williams and Mr. Michael Stephen Fields. And you have both of the [4:03:10, 4:03:30]: applications in your binder to make a decision about. Well typically I think in a s in a position a situation like this this is something we take to executive session to make a decision and come back at the end of the executive session to announce that. Uh yeah my my my understanding was going into this that we had two positions and two people. And so that's why I was corrected when we got up here. [4:03:30, 4:03:33]: So it might it's now it's one person. [4:03:34, 4:03:42]: Two it's two position it's two people one position. Okay. So it's my my thought process, but I'll give it to consensus of the council that we we take this on executive session. [4:03:43, 4:03:44]: Uh versus uh doing this yeah. [4:03:45, 4:03:45]: Yes. [4:03:46, 4:03:51]: Okay, fine. We uh that's my thought process, but okay, is there a recommendation by you, sir? I don't have a recommendation. [4:03:54, 4:03:55]: I can't like it. [4:04:04, 4:04:05]: I d can't hear you, ma'am. [4:04:06, 4:04:10]: Oh, the tiny Williams that's one um well I I don't not have [4:04:17, 4:04:17]: Yeah. [4:04:18, 4:04:21]: Okay. Yes, ma'am. Yes sir, I'm sorry. [4:04:21, 4:04:30]: I'm fine with suggestion if the council's okay with it. I don't mean to go through uh this volunteer boarding. If that's a suggestion, I'm fine with it. Do you all have a suggestion? [4:04:31, 4:04:48]: Well once again, before you answer the question, once again, typically what happens we go because this is a personnel matter, even though it's a volunteer position, that we ni typically go in an executive session and discuss this depending on what's happening with these individuals. I this aspect versus publicly doing this. Okay? That's what we typically do. [4:04:48, 4:04:55]: Now I can be o o overvo overruled, but that's what I suggest as a recommendation if you abide by that. [4:04:56, 4:04:58]: If it makes more common sense. [4:04:58, 4:04:59]: Okay. [4:05:00, 4:05:05]: Okay, we'll make we'll make a decision, we'll come back out, okay? On that. Thank you very much. Um [4:05:05, 4:05:20]: Council consideration to approve the youth council partnership with uh uh Kodjo's uh family fest and run uh Radio One to host a gospel concert october fifteenth, twenty twenty two, utilized the Stoppers Amphitheater. Miss Harvey and Mr. Jones. [4:05:24, 4:05:25]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. [4:05:25, 4:05:28]: Evening. Uh microphones on the other side there, please. [4:05:29, 4:05:31]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Evening. [4:05:31, 4:05:38]: We did lose a couple of our present uh presenters tonight because of time, so we're gonna, you know, give you the best presentation that we can. [4:05:38, 4:05:43]: Um, but first I would like um Mr. Kent Jones to introduce himself to you guys if you don't mind. [4:05:43, 4:05:45]: Can I go ahead, sir, please? [4:05:45, 4:06:05]: Uh good evening. Uh first of all, thank you for this opportunity. My name is Canton Jones. I'm a pastor here in Stockbridge. We have a church called Free Life Church on Rock Quarter Road. Um I'm I'm also a musician, um, Grammy nominated, Stella Award-winning uh musician, and we are trying to do [4:06:05, 4:06:25]: A uh family fest here in the city, partnering with uh Praise 1025, who has one of the largest um concerts uh pertaining to gospel in the country. And so we wanted to do a youth version of the gospel uh concert, uh, and we call it [4:06:25, 4:06:45]: It the Cant uh Canton Jones Fam Fest. KJO is my abbreviation for Canton Jones. So it's the Canton Jones Family Fest where we do something in communities, you know, huge event, you name it, from bouncy houses to giveaways to concerts to um uh rides. We want to do the [4:06:45, 4:06:49]: the entire thing. So that's who I am. Thank you for this opportunity and this time. [4:06:51, 4:06:51]: Thank you very much. [4:06:52, 4:06:53]: He just went. [4:06:55, 4:06:57]: Partnership is in partnership. [4:06:58, 4:07:12]: Um Mr. Canton Jones is in partnership with Radio One. Is he he's the largest distributor of the urban content in the country for more than forty years. Urban One has been leading voice speaking to black Americans. [4:07:14, 4:07:27]: Um the Stockbridge Youth Council is a group of ninth, twelfth graders in this um leader group elected by the community and educated and engaged through the community to be a voice of the s youth for the Stockbridge. [4:07:29, 4:07:34]: What um Ken Jones pretty much told you what Fan Festival is, so for the sake of time we'll [4:07:35, 4:07:42]: I said Kenton just told you what the the festival is, so we'll since he told you if you guys don't have any questions we'll go past the what. [4:07:45, 4:07:50]: Mayor for Mayor for sending you have a question? I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna try. All right, so go ahead, please. Um [4:07:53, 4:07:55]: Again, I [4:07:57, 4:08:01]: sent out an email to council on last evening, actually it was [4:08:02, 4:08:12]: It's about three or four o'clock this morning, so that's why I'm a little exhausted right now. But the I I have a lot of questions and a lot of concerns about [4:08:13, 4:08:16]: protecting the city of Stockbridge. [4:08:17, 4:08:23]: And I believe in policies and procedures and guardrails and and those kind of things. [4:08:25, 4:08:26]: To my knowledge, the [4:08:27, 4:08:29]: We do not have any [4:08:29, 4:08:31]: [14912.1, 14914.2]: That allows us to [4:08:35, 4:08:45]: lease rent this facility to to anybody. And and that's one of my problems. Now I tried to read some of this before [4:08:45, 4:08:48]: Uh and you propose a contract. [4:08:48, 4:08:49]: Your contract. [4:08:50, 4:08:52]: That you indicated [4:08:52, 4:09:03]: um your responsibility, the city responsibility, and you mentioned something about the city of Stockbridge. Um [4:09:04, 4:09:07]: Invest in something like twenty thousand dollars. [4:09:08, 4:09:22]: Is that correct? Yeah, well, if we get through the presentation, we could probably answer some of those questions that you Okay. Well I I thought the presentation was conc concluded, but No, we just got started. Okay, well you're no please go ahead and do the presentation, then then I will ask my question. Thank you. [4:09:22, 4:09:30]: Um so the where? Um this at uh on October fifteenth is the projected date at the amphitheater. The time is between one to eight AM. [4:09:33, 4:09:34]: Why? [4:09:34, 4:09:54]: The biggest issue or the biggest point of this is why we're bringing this forward to you guys. And our communities youth have been through a lot. They've survived a pandemic. They have dealt with um this Eagle recently the Eagles Landing um tragedy, which there's so much that these kids are dealing with and we want to encourage. They're dealing with just [4:09:54, 4:09:55]: Just um [4:09:55, 4:10:10]: the sh mass uh shootings at the schools and this purpose of this event is to boost the morale of our students as they're going back into this new school year. We're watching and the students are telling us we need something, we need to pull the youth together, we need to share with them [4:10:10, 4:10:16]: that we're here for them, we support you, we utilize resources, have you know, different vendors come out. [4:10:16, 4:10:22]: for you know, just to bring the community's youth together and that's the why we're asking for this um [4:10:22, 4:10:25]: inspirational family festivity to be had. [4:10:27, 4:10:47]: How um that was one of the questions you asked. It's uh city funds, yes, we are asking for as a whole, they're asking for twenty thousand. However, we did have a meeting um ask with the ask of twenty and we came up with a s solution if the stockridge youth council were to come up with ten thousand dollars in sponsorships. [4:10:47, 4:10:49]: [15049.5, 15064.5]: pretty much match us that ten thousand. So we would do half and then we're asking the city to do the other half of that twenty. So we're not just asking the twenty. Another major point is this is not a free event. So it has the potential to actually bring money in. [4:11:04, 4:11:24]: And so it's not just, you know, asking for the money. We do have a ticket idol, a ticket cost on there as well. Um, grants, we are uh seeking grants as well. Um we we're looking into these things, but we can't press go until we get an approval from the council. But we have a lot of people that are doing the work to get these things started, sponsorships, partnerships, and and volunteers. [4:11:24, 4:11:25]: Yeah. [4:11:27, 4:11:35]: Um again, the twenty thousand is the AGS. This uh overall budget is sixty thousand um to offset. [4:11:36, 4:11:49]: Uh the sponsors are being acquired to help offset the cost with the option of different sponsorship packages, which also should be presented in your guides' documents as well. Um, you wanna go over some of the projected costs? [4:11:52, 4:12:06]: Some of the projected costs are carnival violence, which will be five thousand, signage, which would be three thousand, insurance, which would be two thousand, cleaning staff, two thousand, security and policing, two thousand, [4:12:07, 4:12:15]: Video and photographer two thousand, awards and honors one thousand, and then the tables, chairs and rentals will be a thousand. [4:12:18, 4:12:38]: The projected cost for Canton Jones would be sound and lighting of fourteen thousand, artists and salaries of seven thousand, engineers for seven thousand, marketing, I mean I'm sorry, engineers for six thousand, marching marketing for five thousand, hospitality for three thousand, show editors two thousand five hundred, insurance. [4:12:38, 4:12:40]: [15162.5, 15176.7]: In conclusion in conclusion, we think that this event at the City of Stockbridge New Amphitheater will not only bring diversity but a moment to connect with the community and show our slogan that this is where the community connects. [4:12:57, 4:13:17]: Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Um I will say this that uh in ref I know Mr. Mayor Potemel has some questions here, but I'll say this that there's a there is a um a document that is uh it's going to be used, it be it would be used in reference to a contract and processes. Um it hasn't gone out to the entire council, the entire council has [4:13:17, 4:13:35]: and seen that and I will imagine after this particular discussion that needs something to be sent to them and have to set up a process how to get any additional feedback back. And I would imagine that I need to filter through the city manager over here in this aspect if he's in agreement with that, depending on what the council has to say. Go ahead, Mr Mayor Potem, I'm sorry. [4:13:35, 4:13:47]: Well Mr. Miller, just just based on that, I I don't even see how we can approve of this tonight. The fact that and this goes back to November [4:13:47, 4:13:51]: uh twenty twenty one when I requested [4:13:51, 4:13:58]: those very same documents and here we are in June, almost in July, and and and we still don't have them. [4:13:58, 4:14:03]: So that's just one of my concerns. Um but [4:14:05, 4:14:16]: I met with the youth council um you know before and we thought and I thought it was a great idea for the youth council to utilize the amphitheater. [4:14:16, 4:14:21]: But what I had in mind was something that you all would just do on your own. [4:14:21, 4:14:25]: But but but we are involving a third party. [4:14:26, 4:14:28]: And and this is a a concert. [4:14:28, 4:14:31]: And and that's where the concern comes in. [4:14:31, 4:14:32]: And again [4:14:34, 4:14:36]: We have to protect the city. [4:14:36, 4:14:39]: That's our role, protecting the city. [4:14:39, 4:14:40]: And I don't see [4:14:41, 4:14:43]: The guardrails [4:14:43, 4:14:44]: And plays [4:14:45, 4:15:02]: That's going to protect the city. Now I'm looking at here, you say a projected cost for the city. You was asking for twenty thousand, but when I counted this up, this is more like, I don't know, eighteen thousand. Um [4:15:04, 4:15:24]: And I don't know, well, matter of fact, I don't even know where the twenty thousand will come from from the city. See, that's another question. Where would the city get twenty thousand dollars from? But that that's another question. Um I'm mostly concerned about the policy because once we open this Pandora box, anybody, any [4:15:24, 4:15:34]: Any one of us can go out here and partner up with anyone and come back and want to do the very same thing. And there's no policy in place. [4:15:35, 4:15:46]: So that's that's my biggest problem right there. And the liability. Now I see here um Mr. Jones, Pastor Jones. [4:15:46, 4:15:48]: Indicated insurance. [4:15:48, 4:15:50]: Two thousand dollars. [4:15:51, 4:15:56]: So what does that cover? Insurance two thousand dollars. What what what does that cover? [4:15:56, 4:15:59]: We'll get the proper insurance to cover everything. [4:16:00, 4:16:20]: Um the questi I'm I have a question because I'm trying to be clear on what your concerns are. Uh are your concerns are the the guardrail? You keep saying the guardrail, are you mean the guardrail would separate the people from going into the streets? No, no, I'm sorry. Yeah, I want to know what the guard cause I don't know what the guardrails are. Um as a city entity, as a [4:16:20, 4:16:23]: As a municipality, we own the amphitheater. [4:16:23, 4:16:29]: So we have to protect ourselves and our interest for the amphitheater. [4:16:29, 4:16:32]: We do not have a policy. [4:16:32, 4:16:35]: Where we can rent, lease, [4:16:35, 4:16:37]: the amphitheater to anyone. [4:16:38, 4:16:45]: The mayor alluded to something that has not come yet. So but here we are gonna vote on something. [4:16:46, 4:16:47]: Before we get [4:16:48, 4:16:51]: And that's what I mean by the garb real meaning protection. Gotcha. [4:16:52, 4:16:54]: So here we are tonight gonna vote on something. [4:16:55, 4:16:57]: Before we get [4:16:58, 4:17:01]: The policy. Yes sir. So it's sort of s sort of backwards. [4:17:02, 4:17:10]: Can I ask you a question? Yes. I I want to be educated on how the last concert that was over there done without this policy. [4:17:11, 4:17:31]: We have an agreement with Georgia Radio Alliance. We hired them to manage the City of Stockbridge Amphitheater. Okay. And we have an agreement with them. And everything is covered within that agreement with Georgia Radio Alliance and the City of Stockbridge. And that agreement was vetted by the attorneys and it was covered. [4:17:31, 4:17:35]: Codified, it was approved by the city council and it was signed. [4:17:36, 4:17:40]: So we wouldn't be able to go up under that with the same [4:17:41, 4:17:48]: No uh uh no. Uh we would have to go through them basically through through them to do this event. [4:17:48, 4:18:00]: Well, the the difference this is the difference and I know you asked me this question directly. The difference is we have an agreement with a company to manage the amphitheater. Okay. [4:18:00, 4:18:02]: You'll come and ask us. [4:18:02, 4:18:04]: to use, to rent, to lease [4:18:05, 4:18:09]: Т ту по топу концерт інде аплотета. [4:18:09, 4:18:13]: We don't have a policy that would allow you [4:18:14, 4:18:17]: to come and to do just that. [4:18:17, 4:18:22]: Now when we spoke with the youth council about activities [4:18:23, 4:18:27]: If the if the youth council had come to us and said we want to have [4:18:27, 4:18:29]: We, the youth council itself. [4:18:30, 4:18:32]: We're going to sponsor a [4:18:32, 4:18:38]: a double Dutch contest in the amphitheater. That's totally different. [4:18:39, 4:18:47]: That does not include a third party. Even though we would still be concerned about those individuals that would come. [4:18:47, 4:18:57]: to participate in a double Dutch contest, but you are a third party and there's no policy that allows the city [4:18:58, 4:19:06]: To enter into any agreement with you as a third party. The mayor is alluding to that, but we have not gotten that. [4:19:07, 4:19:10]: If that was say in place [4:19:10, 4:19:12]: then potentially [4:19:12, 4:19:16]: Then we could be having this conversation with you. [4:19:16, 4:19:19]: But we do not have that. Understood. So [4:19:20, 4:19:24]: If we allow you to come in now to do that [4:19:25, 4:19:39]: We're opening ourselves up for any and all things. And it does not prevent any one of us from going out and connecting with anyone and say, Well, I want to come and put on a concert. [4:19:39, 4:19:40]: Uh to benefit [4:19:42, 4:19:42]: Whatever. [4:19:43, 4:19:46]: You see what I'm saying? Yes sir. And and that's just a problem. So [4:19:48, 4:19:49]: It's a little premature. [4:19:50, 4:19:51]: In my mind [4:19:52, 4:19:54]: But again, the biggest issue is [4:19:54, 4:19:56]: We have to protect the city. [4:19:58, 4:20:07]: And it's and municipalities are all about policies, procedures, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And none of that is in place. [4:20:07, 4:20:21]: Gotcha. None of that is in place. But again, we have an agreement with Georgia Radio Alliance to manage the amphitheater, and there's an agreement between Georgia Radio Alliance and the City of Stockbridge. [4:20:24, 4:20:44]: Right, so on on that note, my recommendation in city managers right here that sir that you would you would forward this uh this doc the documents and that's not and guaranteed I would say is is it just for I could imagine forward documents to the council with a timeline to allow them to review that. I I think that would probably be appropri appropriate, sir, I would I would imagine. [4:20:44, 4:20:53]: May I may I ask one more question? Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Uh uh Pastor Jones, so um this is uh a ticketed [4:20:54, 4:20:59]: uh event tickets for sale. Yes, sir. Okay. Um [4:21:01, 4:21:12]: S well, I I'll just wait'cause I know the mayor said, well, you know, we'll wait until the agreement is in place, et cetera, et cetera. But I but I do have some other concern, but [4:21:13, 4:21:17]: I do want to be able to work with the youth council, but the youth council need to understand [4:21:17, 4:21:19]: That municipal government [4:21:20, 4:21:25]: It doesn't work that way and I want you to understand it has nothing to do with you. [4:21:26, 4:21:28]: This is something that we didn't do. [4:21:29, 4:21:31]: This is something that we should have had in place. [4:21:32, 4:21:35]: since November or at least since January. [4:21:35, 4:21:44]: So it's negligence on our part not to have this policy in place. But it has nothing to do with you, it has nothing to do with the youth council. [4:21:44, 4:21:49]: But we still have to protect ourselves. No, I understand that.'Cause this is a suing [4:21:49, 4:21:50]: Society. [4:21:51, 4:21:53]: Somebody can come and stump their toe. [4:21:54, 4:21:55]: And here we are. [4:21:56, 4:21:59]: So and I'll just wait for my other questions. [4:22:00, 4:22:14]: when the mayor has alluded to the fact that we will get this uh policy in place and it may be in place before uh the concert date and and maybe we can just go forward. Okay. [4:22:16, 4:22:32]: No, I mean it's just me now. Other council members may have some options. And uh in November time frame, all the way to January before Mr. Gardner got here, that was my responsibility to help push that through. I don't know, Ms. uh any first of all, Mr. Gardner, did you want to address what I said earlier you were coming this way, sir? [4:22:35, 4:22:40]: Mayor, I ask that you acknowledge me once he's done, please. Okay, sure. [4:22:43, 4:23:03]: Um I what was the question, man? Well it's in reference to the the the the copy of the uh the documents in reference to the the policy and the contracts that we use what outside entities to use amphitheater things of this nation for third parties. So um we did um develop a polic a set of policies and procedures with the use [4:23:03, 4:23:05]: and lease of the the facility. [4:23:06, 4:23:08]: And it has been reviewed. [4:23:08, 4:23:28]: Um by counsel, uh legal counsel with some I think with some edits. Once those edits are complete, uh goal is to bring this to you guys next month. But we I I did listen and I did hear when when when we said earlier in the year that there was no procedures in place and so that's the manual. I went went forward and developed. [4:23:28, 4:23:36]: On this situation, my recommendations is send to the council, you know, tomorrow. If you can't, if you can do that. Yeah, sure. Uh [4:23:36, 4:23:39]: If I can. I mean, [4:23:39, 4:23:42]: I'm a little confused. Um from the standpoint of [4:23:43, 4:23:43]: Yeah. [4:23:44, 4:23:49]: The youth council is a division of the city. It's like a city department. [4:23:49, 4:23:55]: Technically, you you you decide to bring youths on board to educate them in the role of government. [4:23:56, 4:24:01]: And how government acts. It's an educational process. So they're they're they're an arm of the city. So [4:24:03, 4:24:09]: I would say, you know, any just as we have I think the GRA agreement [4:24:10, 4:24:18]: That is between G RA and the city. You can have an agreement between the outside entity and and um [4:24:20, 4:24:27]: and the city as it relates to to the concert and still be able to to make sure that, you know, it it pass any legal muster. [4:24:28, 4:24:31]: to to uh for these guys to have the event. But I I would say that [4:24:32, 4:24:52]: B bar on any foreseen unforeseen um um problems, th the the policy will be in place really ahead of these guys events, which I think is scheduled for October. Um but I don't know if you guys have a statutory deadline you guys gotta meet to make sure you all get the artist lines up, I guess. Yeah. [4:24:52, 4:25:12]: You know. So, you know, I when this came to me, I I didn't see it as a problem. Um, you know, the contract agreed to by the city, if the city agrees as this as the arm, this is an arm of the city. Um, it would be no different than the contract we have with GRA because [4:25:12, 4:25:18]: 'Cause GRA technically doesn't have any standards that I know of in that contract. There are none. [4:25:19, 4:25:20]: This is you know [4:25:20, 4:25:25]: if they were to get a third party to enter in, there's no there's nothing that says [4:25:25, 4:25:45]: They have to pay a fee if they're nonprofit or anything like that. There's none of that's in their their agreement with us. So um yes, it's good to have those policies in place and and redeem. Mayor if I just maybe go ahead, sir, please. See this. Mayor Ford, I'd like to get my question. You don't mind. Thank you. [4:25:45, 4:25:46]: We'll get your question in. [4:25:46, 4:25:57]: I I just say this then I just yeah. Uh to to something that you said, Mr. Gardner. Yes, sir. See the issue is it's not the youth council, yeah, they are an arm of the city. [4:25:58, 4:26:00]: Pastor Canton is not. Correct. [4:26:00, 4:26:08]: So your It's that by itself, that's the issue. So your your agreement if we do if if you were to do it, it the agreement would be between the city [4:26:09, 4:26:10]: And pastor. [4:26:12, 4:26:15]: Jones, or what entity he's under. [4:26:15, 4:26:21]: Um in conjunction with the Starkbridge U Council. And and again this is a profit [4:26:22, 4:26:23]: Make an event. [4:26:24, 4:26:25]: Four [4:26:25, 4:26:41]: Pastor Jones. But and and I curr uh and I I think it's also for the city, correct? So the youth council will have money in their budget. So if they wanted to go to Washington, we we hope if it's a success. Right. Mayor I I I yield to Council War. All right. Miss Barber, way please. [4:26:43, 4:26:46]: Thank you, Mayor. Um so yes, um [4:26:47, 4:27:01]: I'm certainly excited to see that the youth council has already come up with the ideas you all are thinking about things that you want to see done. I just didn't expect that you were gonna bring'em this year, since we've already approved the budget for this year. [4:27:01, 4:27:02]: Um [4:27:02, 4:27:08]: As Mayor Pro Ten Thomas mentioned, any small events such as a [4:27:08, 4:27:10]: talent show or [4:27:10, 4:27:21]: fashion show or something like that, I'd be willing to support it. But because this event that you all are proposing is much like a concert. [4:27:23, 4:27:25]: In our contract with G RA [4:27:25, 4:27:28]: They have exclusive rights to the amphitheater. [4:27:28, 4:27:31]: We can't hold any concerts. [4:27:31, 4:27:33]: Nothing that competes with [4:27:34, 4:27:37]: GRA and the talents that they book for the city. [4:27:37, 4:27:40]: Де хаксів райц. [4:27:41, 4:27:47]: And the council has made a decision not to clarify any of that. So it is what it is. [4:27:48, 4:28:03]: Mayor Pro Tem Thomas is right as it pertains to having a contract for um public private partnerships such as this. Um whenever a church or any organization [4:28:04, 4:28:08]: once use of the amphitheater, then they would enter into a public [4:28:09, 4:28:10]: private partnership. [4:28:10, 4:28:11]: Agreement. [4:28:12, 4:28:13]: With the city. [4:28:13, 4:28:14]: Um [4:28:15, 4:28:19]: Certainly something I've been talking about for a couple of years now, but nonetheless. [4:28:20, 4:28:21]: My question [4:28:21, 4:28:22]: Um [4:28:22, 4:28:24]: One of the questions that I had was [4:28:26, 4:28:30]: You mentioned мис Harvey, you mentioned that with the twenty taus dollars. [4:28:30, 4:28:36]: ten thousand would come from the city. We would match that. The other ten you all would raise [4:28:36, 4:28:38]: Money for it. Correct. [4:28:39, 4:28:42]: What happens if you don't raise your ten thousand? [4:28:44, 4:28:54]: We are very confident that we have the ability we've done the work. We've been working. Um like I said, I sent out the emails and I kinda wish that some of these questions were asked so that I was prepared. [4:28:54, 4:28:55]: For the answer. [4:28:55, 4:28:58]: Just like the GRA questions and things of that nature. [4:28:58, 4:29:01]: But we have done the work and we're really just sitting here. [4:29:01, 4:29:21]: Waiting for approval. We've talked to people. We have major supporters. As the youth council has always had supporters as it pertains to sponsorships. We just haven't utilized them because we haven't done anything. So they're really waiting. They wanna invest. They wanna support. And I we're very confident I have a very strong um advisory board behind me and we have strong [4:29:21, 4:29:41]: youth council leaders that are ready to get out and do the work and then Mr. Kent himself has tons of sponsors. So this is just the the proposed but we we could go over that number. And we were just talking about that today. If we go over that number, what could we do? We're not thinking that we're not gonna succeed or if it's gonna event it if it's gonna be a successful event. [4:29:41, 4:29:45]: we know it's gonna be a successful event because we put the work behind everything we do. [4:29:45, 4:29:45]: Okay. [4:29:46, 4:29:46]: So [4:29:48, 4:29:51]: The youth council has a twenty one thousand dollar budget. Correct. [4:29:52, 4:29:57]: Why wouldn't you use your twenty thousand dollar budget for this event if you're confident [4:29:58, 4:30:00]: that you'll be able to secure the sponsorship dollars. [4:30:03, 4:30:10]: Well, we have our have already come before you guys for that specific twenty one five and we're [4:30:10, 4:30:30]: pretty much in mid mid year. So we have done projects in the community that in the community that were very successful pro um projects. So we don't have a full twenty one thousand sitting there, but that wasn't, you know, we haven't had a meeting to discuss whether or not we want to utilize the remainder of our budget or if that's even allowed for us to do, you know [4:30:30, 4:30:44]: to use those funds for that. So if that is an option, that is something that we can talk about to offset some of the costs with the remaining dollars that are that's in our budget now. So that's a conversation that we could we could have, you know, at one of our board meetings. [4:30:44, 4:30:55]: Okay. Will you be um my last question if you don't mind, Mayor. Well right it please. For your budget for next year, will you be looking to increase your budget? [4:30:56, 4:31:00]: Based on the numbers we have in the calendar, if we stick with the calendar. [4:31:00, 4:31:17]: We wouldn't, but if this is something that we're going to do annually, we would axe that. So if this project that we are doing with Kejo Filmfest goes well and it's a great thing for the city of Stockbridge, we would go ahead and include that instead of having to ax in between. But this is just a huge opportunity that [4:31:17, 4:31:20]: If it's not had had here, it'll be in McDonough. [4:31:20, 4:31:40]: So I figured why not give the city of Stockbridge something that they could be proud of, something that, you know, we can look back, something that's gonna change the the I mean this is this has been done before. It's not a blueprint. It's been done in Riverdale, it's been done in Jonesboro. And so because it's something that, you know, I really strongly believe that with myself, Mr. Jones, it's [4:31:40, 4:31:57]: and this entire youth council and advisory board that we'll just ask if if this suc this when this goes well, we'll just ask for that to be increased and included in our uh further budgets. Thank you. Mayor for one one final question and this is for Mr. Gardner. [4:31:58, 4:32:01]: I've asked about mid-year budget reviews. [4:32:01, 4:32:02]: Um [4:32:03, 4:32:08]: mid year budget reviews for all of the departments so that we don't get [4:32:08, 4:32:09]: Request [4:32:11, 4:32:13]: Coming at us just sporadically. [4:32:13, 4:32:20]: Um this sounds like one of those situations um where a [4:32:21, 4:32:28]: На департ, бормово, фонд. [4:32:29, 4:32:30]: They're approv well. [4:32:30, 4:32:34]: their approved budget. So those budget amendments [4:32:34, 4:32:38]: I just don't want them coming to us sporadically throughout the year. [4:32:39, 4:32:41]: Will you do a mid year? [4:32:41, 4:32:48]: Budget review and if we need to make amendments or adjustments to budgets, we can do'em at the same time. [4:32:50, 4:32:51]: Yes, sir. Now uh so [4:32:52, 4:33:12]: My philosophy as it relates to budget is since I've been a city manager is we should amend the budget at least on a look at it on a quarterly basis. And and and I think I mentioned this with you guys. I've had fight with with my f with my uh finance director who was more so uh uh one year person once a year person. Um [4:33:12, 4:33:28]: and we split the difference and we did it twice a year. But um in this case, obviously this event obviously was unforeseen, I think, in January or December when the budget was was done and it came up as an opportunity for the for them. So with that [4:33:28, 4:33:29]: I think they choose to seek [4:33:30, 4:33:44]: additional funding versus using whatever funds they had at the time. Um, if they had funds in their account, I mean, they could use that, but if they need it for something that was actually line item budgeted for, yes, they're gonna still need to have money amend they had to amend the budget. [4:33:44, 4:34:00]: um to put money back in their funds. So the approach that they're taking is the right approach at this time, um, to ask for additional funds and we can move some funds to address this. Cause at the time this was unf this w opportunity was unforeseen when they when the budget was done back in November, December. [4:34:02, 4:34:05]: All right. One stand up, please. Ms. Gann, you had a question. [4:34:05, 4:34:25]: Um well not necessarily a question. I'm interested in seeing the contract agreement. Sure. Um other than that, I approve this um project. I think it'll be great. However, we do need to see what the agreement looks like. Understand that. And I know you said you like you guys need some answers today. [4:34:25, 4:34:28]: But without looking at the agreement. [4:34:29, 4:34:33]: And the mayor has already informed um our city manager. [4:34:34, 4:34:37]: That that agreement needs we need to go ahead and get that done. [4:34:37, 4:34:40]: Um you're talking about a concert in October, correct? [4:34:40, 4:34:41]: So [4:34:42, 4:34:47]: I'm in favor of what you're trying to do. Know that. If that's any um [4:34:48, 4:35:07]: If that would help go ahead and you guys continue planning what you need to plan. But we also still need to look at our contract agreement that the paperwork. I couldn't do that. Yeah, and what when I stated it's a first draft. So it's not anything super set in stone. So if you voted tonight, you're not voting on the contract, you're voting on the event. [4:35:08, 4:35:21]: Okay. So we would vote to say yes, we are we are agreeing with you, we approve it, but we don't know what our contract agreement is is saying, right? I'm telling you that I support the idea right now. [4:35:22, 4:35:25]: I can agr I can vote to agree to support the idea. [4:35:26, 4:35:46]: But I need to know what our contract agreement is saying. And I believe that the Stoppridge Youth Council is doing a phenomenal job, number one. I commend you. And I know that there are gonna be times where something might pop up, right? And we all get those times where there's an opportunity that we just that just wasn't foreseeable. [4:35:46, 4:35:51]: This is one of those times. So I'm willing to support the event. [4:35:51, 4:36:07]: I'm I'm willing to say yes to the ten thousand dollars to support the event once we work out the kinks and and we know what's going on. That's all. But I I definitely support what you guys are doing. And so hopefully we can get this concert in October. [4:36:08, 4:36:09]: Okay. [4:36:10, 4:36:11]: Thank you, Mayor. Um [4:36:12, 4:36:16]: I wanna do something a little unorthodox. Everybody's associated with the youth council, can you stand up for a second, please? [4:36:20, 4:36:37]: I I wanna clearly say to you all, as a volunteer board and we've been dealing with the youth council for years, we go to GMA and we're doing things right now and you guys are being talked about each and every time that we go. They they wanna take pictures with you all. They talk about how sharp you are. [4:36:37, 4:36:42]: This council have spent millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of dollars. [4:36:42, 4:36:50]: And we can amend this budget right now and approve ten thousand dollars with a contingency in it of the approval of a contract. [4:36:51, 4:36:59]: Meaning that if we approve it tonight and don't approve the contract, all bets are off. Because I know a lot of things that you guys got to do is time sensitive. [4:37:00, 4:37:02]: We can do that tonight. [4:37:02, 4:37:04]: We made things happen. [4:37:04, 4:37:19]: I see you all, your passion for this city. I I I talk to you all all the time. We can do that tonight. We can approve the amendment of ten thousand dollars with a contingency of the approval of the contract. And if you all are sure that we're gonna approve the contract. [4:37:21, 4:37:23]: Then you go off and start seeking right now. [4:37:24, 4:37:28]: Your sponsorships, but be in mind, if we don't approve the contract. [4:37:29, 4:37:33]: And if it can't be done, all bets are off. We can do that tonight. [4:37:34, 4:37:36]: I second. We can do that tonight. [4:37:36, 4:37:43]: And I vote right now to approve the ten thousand dollars with a contingency of the approval of the contract. [4:37:44, 4:37:45]: A second. [4:37:46, 4:37:57]: All right, motions on the floor. Wanna make sure that uh Mr. Gardner, any if you have any additional comments on this for discussion purpose or even Mr. Washington on legality? Miss Barber, go ahead please. [4:38:01, 4:38:02]: Um [4:38:03, 4:38:09]: I'm hesitant because every time that we've had conversations in regards to the amphitheater. [4:38:09, 4:38:11]: We've been reminded [4:38:11, 4:38:13]: That we have an exclusive [4:38:13, 4:38:15]: Rights, contract. [4:38:15, 4:38:16]: With GRA. [4:38:17, 4:38:24]: We can't host any concerts there with the exclusive rights. If there is something different [4:38:24, 4:38:26]: I need for someone to tell me. [4:38:27, 4:38:29]: А дійсно вот the contract says. [4:38:30, 4:38:31]: [16712.3, 16723.7]: Okay, you got in the contract. He was gonna ask Jeremy about the contract, but Well well besides that, we'll stand by. [4:38:43, 4:38:46]: Harold. I'm gonna put you on the spot. Come on up here, sir. [4:38:48, 4:38:56]: Harold Young works for GRA as as our representative uh to the GRA contract. You heard what was discussed. What are your thoughts, sir? [4:38:56, 4:39:16]: Uh first of all, thank you all very much. Uh I'm very proud of the youth council. I I I'm very familiar with Pastor Jones and what he does in the community as a whole. As far as GRA, we do not have uh you all have the authority to do an event in the amphitheater without us [4:39:16, 4:39:34]: interfering. So you it's your decision. We we we are is outside of our our regular concert, uh twelve concerts that we committed ourselves to. So you have the authority to do that. It's it's left up to you all. And in in the contract it states that the city of Stockbridge can do events [4:39:34, 4:39:45]: Uh other than what we outside of what we doing. So yes you do have to As long as it doesn't conflict with what we're doing. It does not affect anything. I checked our calendar and I just got the phone with Chris Murray too to confirm it too as well. [4:39:46, 4:39:50]: Thank you. Appreciate that. All right. Mayor for Well stand by. Stand by. Stand by. [4:39:51, 4:39:59]: Go ahead, Mary Putin. Uh first of all, um it it's it's not 10,000, it's 20,000, number one. [4:39:59, 4:40:02]: The the issue that I have with [4:40:03, 4:40:11]: Uh first of all it's not ten thousand, it's twenty thousand there, Ashton. But this is the problem that I have with with us as this council. [4:40:11, 4:40:26]: I I recall a lot of conversation when there's other issues before us when it comes to finance and we talk about being responsible, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But I'm not gonna even go there. But, you know, we sort of pick and choose [4:40:26, 4:40:29]: how we wanna talk about things. But let me ask um [4:40:30, 4:40:32]: Pastor Jones this now. [4:40:32, 4:40:45]: Here in this document, it says projected cost for um Canton Jones is it's roughly like forty-somethes. So from the proceeds of the event. [4:40:46, 4:40:54]: So this forty thousand dollars that a projected cost for you, that would come off the top. Is that correct? Mm-hmm. [4:40:55, 4:41:02]: But also we'll we'll do it like the sixty, they'll get their twenty back, we'll get our forty back, and then we'll split like that. [4:41:02, 4:41:05]: But first though we we got to get to that point. [4:41:06, 4:41:15]: What do you mean get to what point? We got to get to the twenty. We gotta sell the tickets. Yeah, you gotta sell tickets for that. That's why we're doing s tickets and sponsorships. But but but the question though is [4:41:16, 4:41:18]: You would take your forty off the top. [4:41:19, 4:41:39]: Well, we'll do it like that. We could we can do it however you wanna do it. Or you would get your ten back and the kids would get their ten and then I would get my forty and then we'll split the rest. Okay, so this is my last question. [4:41:39, 4:41:40]: Yeah. [4:41:41, 4:41:49]: But I still would need a for me now, I would still had to need the contract in advance. Yes, I but the youth council, Miss Harvey, uh [4:41:50, 4:41:51]: We have had [4:41:52, 4:41:57]: Two concerts last year. We've had about three a separate this year. Two. Two. [4:41:58, 4:42:02]: So when you start talking about expenses [4:42:02, 4:42:05]: versus revenue [4:42:06, 4:42:17]: It's not that easy. Now even though I know y'all are young and you got energy and you're gonna go out there and work and I commend that and you know y'all probably can make that happen. But I'm just saying [4:42:17, 4:42:20]: These are the facts. You do have expenses. [4:42:20, 4:42:40]: Well we got a motion to approve. Um this is discussion. It's modest discussion. You can have discussion, even though the motion's been approved. Go ahead, please. To answer your question, uh again, this isn't uh first time, this isn't like the first time this event has happened. This event has happened in the city of Riverdale and it was a huge success and it's also happened in the city of Jonesboro. [4:42:40, 4:42:50]: So it's not like we're just kinda throwing things at the wall to see if it's gonna be a little bit more than a little bit. No River d yeah, it was the Riverdale Amphitheater at that yeah. And um Jonesboro [4:42:51, 4:43:11]: Divine Faith. At Divine Faith in their at their facility. Okay. And they did. They sat down with the city of Riverdale. Um I was I actually helped them on that uh very first one and we sat down with the city of Riverdale and they partnershipped and it was a beautiful partnership. It was it was amazing and it was his first time and it was amazing turnout. So I I have [4:43:11, 4:43:12]: I've seen it done. [4:43:13, 4:43:30]: Right. Well I I guess for me, once we get the policy and we get into the contract and I don't know if the attorneys have vetted the contract that's associated with this, but but for me, uh A had to come before B and that just the way I am with it. I yeah, mayor. [4:43:30, 4:43:35]: No problem. The vet the uh attorneys have vetted the contract. They have done so. You just haven't seen the contract. [4:43:36, 4:43:40]: Well stand by, I'm coming your way. They have you have a signature but they have vetted it, okay? [4:43:40, 4:43:43]: We'll make this your last comment, please. Go ahead. Okay. [4:43:43, 4:44:03]: Mayor Ford, I thank you for giving me the floor and acknowledging me. But I appreciate if you will respect my hand and appreciate me. Make your comment. Don't need commentary here. Make a comment. I would really appreciate if you would Yeah, fine. When you're in my shoes, you can oh go ahead. Make a comment, please. Just go ahead and make a comment. [4:44:03, 4:44:12]: Please make it come. Just as you allow every other member of this council. Okay. I will allow I will do that. You allow me to speak without any interruption. [4:44:13, 4:44:19]: Okay. Thank you. Go ahead. You're welcome. Um, so my question or concern, and this is for the record. [4:44:20, 4:44:32]: GRA's contract speaks specifically about exclusive control of this amphitheater. I've asked a series of questions in regards to the GRA contract. [4:44:34, 4:44:38]: Специфики регулинг exclusive control. [4:44:38, 4:44:40]: Before [4:44:40, 4:44:44]: They scheduled the Pepsi and Sheriff's Office. [4:44:45, 4:44:46]: Concerts. [4:44:48, 4:44:50]: So I wanna know what is the difference. [4:44:51, 4:44:55]: between this concert that the youth council is sponsoring [4:44:55, 4:44:57]: And the concert [4:44:57, 4:44:59]: That the sheriff's office and Pepsi [4:45:01, 4:45:21]: Is doing because GRA and I'm sorry, sir. This is not specific. Oh, okay, because I was like, I don't know who you're talking to, so okay. This is a question specifically. I'm gonna try to answer though for Mr. Forgotten Harold and Mr. Washington. Um, because I want us to be consistent with what we're doing. [4:45:21, 4:45:22]: Going here. [4:45:22, 4:45:26]: If you have exclusive control of this amphitheater. [4:45:26, 4:45:28]: I'm expecting that you will [4:45:28, 4:45:29]: Control it. [4:45:30, 4:45:31]: Manage it. [4:45:31, 4:45:33]: Just as we've contracted it. [4:45:36, 4:45:40]: So either you or Mr Washington, whichever one wants to address this. [4:45:47, 4:45:53]: Good evening, Council. Uh, you spoke with G R A? Yes, sir. And you all have the contract and you're fine with them doing this concert? [4:45:53, 4:46:07]: That's it. That's it. That's what's the control we need. That was not my question. [4:46:08, 4:46:28]: Mr. That's what he's choosing to do. So that's what I can answer. He is not the CEO of GR. He said he called them. He said he's called the case. Sir, okay. I want you all to stop handling this city and like we just janky. Just everything just janky. We're talking about [4:46:28, 4:46:37]: Putting on a concert or event, but yet the city hasn't even prepared a contract to protect its its interest. [4:46:37, 4:46:39]: We're just accepting his contract. [4:46:40, 4:46:45]: His contract that he prepared to protect him and his інtrs. [4:46:46, 4:47:03]: My responsibility is to ensure that I protect the interest of the city. I don't care who it is, whether it's you or whether it's him or any other entity. I've asked that our city prepare standard contract language that protects us. [4:47:04, 4:47:16]: All I see is his contracting. This is no offense to you, sir. This has this has been bubbling over for a while, so this has nothing to do with you. What I want is GRA to be consistent. [4:47:16, 4:47:27]: at the services that they're providing to the city. If you all have exclusive control, I'm expecting that you will manage and control the city as you do with any other [4:47:28, 4:47:33]: uh concert that we have here. So I wanna know why is this [4:47:33, 4:47:53]: event that the youth council is doing any different than the concert series that Pepsi and the sheriff's office is doing? Why do you all want your percentage and cut point of order appeal to the council but you ain't asking for a percentage in this point of order mayor that's what I want to know. [4:47:53, 4:48:07]: Please explain because I've been asking questions about your contract since the day that you all had it approved. All right. I don't approve it. And if I could cancel it, I would cancel it right. [4:48:07, 4:48:27]: Ms. Barber, what what what I mentioned uh what I mentioned earlier is that there's a separate our our our uh attorneys uh have added another contract. A separate contract that will be for any individual third party that would be renting uh the the amphitheater outside of what the GRA is contracted with. Has n that contract the G [4:48:27, 4:48:47]: You have not seen that those documents and processes you have not seen. You will see that. Has nothing to do with GRA. Had nothing to do with GRA. And by the way, there is a separate contract, a separate agreement with Pepsi anyway. Totally different. Totally different as well. That's a total separate entity as well. So GRA doesn't have they don't have a they don't have any any buy in. [4:48:47, 4:49:07]: To any of those things that are in reference to Mr. Jones or the youth council. That's totally separate in that aspect. Now we're gonna we're gonna move on. We we just gotta move on. We're gonna move on. We're gonna move on. No, it's how we're gonna do that. We're gonna move on, please. The council's had enough and so have I. We're gonna move on. All right. The motion was made. And in a second, miss Miss Um Holiday. [4:49:07, 4:49:09]: Read the motion once again, please. [4:49:12, 4:49:14]: What what is the motion as you got it written down? [4:49:17, 4:49:30]: It's real simple. The c the uh motion was to approve with the contingency that the contract that's going to be distributed to the mayor council tomorrow is approved. That's the contingency. [4:49:30, 4:49:35]: But I thought there was a f there was a dollar figure is uh involved with that as well, wasn't that? [4:49:38, 4:49:44]: [17385.0, 17394.1]: My motion is to approve ten thousand dollars and this concert with the contingency of the approval of the contract. It's that simple. Yep. [4:49:54, 4:49:58]: And the motion was seconded by Miss Gantt. Second. All right. All in favor of motion please indicate. [4:50:00, 4:50:00]: All pose. [4:50:02, 4:50:03]: Uh uh. [4:50:03, 4:50:23]: Okay, you're staying? I have staying by comments. Three zero two. You had more than enough comments. We're gonna move on. I'd like to add a comment. Listen, you've had more than enough comments. I'm irritated, they're irritated. You had more than enough comments. It is and I've been irritated for two years, six months. Then maybe you need to resign. I like to add a comment to resign. [4:50:23, 4:50:29]: I will after you. Okay. [4:50:30, 4:50:47]: Now don't sign number on contracts without the approval that is council. Council consideration to approve and gentlemen, you're done. We're gonna get back to you, sir. Okay? We'll get back to you. I'm sorry. Council consideration to approve the award of RFP number 202101 to diversify contract. [4:50:47, 4:50:58]: Uh for the renovation of one hundred fourteen Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail in an amount of s uh three hundred sixty eight thousand one hundred and thirteen dollars and forty cents. Funding source is fund balance. [4:50:58, 4:51:02]: And it has Mr Peterson Mr Peterson, okay. Come on up here, sir, please. [4:51:07, 4:51:20]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. This is for the renovation of 114 MLK by diversified construction. This will be a white box project, and in that white box, there will be a new storefront. [4:51:20, 4:51:21]: А ну ХВАК систем [4:51:21, 4:51:41]: A new roof, uh structural repairs as needed because of the extensive water damage. They will pull up the plumbing. By that I mean they will uh extend the sewer line so there can be a bathroom, but they will not put the walls in for the bathroom. Uh there will be new lights, a new electrical panel, but there will not be a grease trap. I also [4:51:41, 4:52:01]: Want to add that on last Thursday I met with Mr. George Petkovich and he's working on an appraisal for 114 MLK. And uh he's gonna actually do two appraisals: one appraisal which will include uh this white box project, and another appraisal uh for it being as is. Uh, the appraisal [4:52:01, 4:52:08]: Um is set to be delivered by the end of this month, by the end of June, but he is working hard to get it to us before then. [4:52:15, 4:52:19]: And you okay, and you're done with that. That's your presentation, sir, thus far? Anything else? [4:52:19, 4:52:22]: No. Okay, Council, you got any questions for uh Mr. Peterson? [4:52:23, 4:52:32]: Go right, please. Sure do. I see that this contract was signed and dated the twenty eighth of January of twenty twenty two. [4:52:32, 4:52:36]: So is staff asking for council approval? [4:52:36, 4:52:38]: Of the award of this contract. [4:52:39, 4:52:41]: Yes. Okay. We are now in [4:52:41, 4:52:49]: June. This contract was already awarded. Well, it's already signed. It was signed before this council. [4:52:50, 4:52:53]: even saw it or came to us. Why is that? [4:52:54, 4:52:55]: Mr. Gardner. [4:52:55, 4:52:58]: Or Mr. Washington, can either of you explain? [4:52:59, 4:53:00]: Why this [4:53:00, 4:53:04]: Or the mayor, because his signature is on here too. You know, he's [4:53:05, 4:53:22]: pretty happy about just signing off on contracts before they're presented to this council. Well I I would answer that question. I I I do not have a tendency and do not want to a start a r any type of requirement signing anything like this unless I had some type of council approval or vote on this. There was no counsel approval. I'm still talking. I'm still talking. [4:53:23, 4:53:35]: Stop interrupting me when I'm talking. Well, so what it amounts to if somehow I would say that the council would have it approval of this for me to sign it. If by chance there was a mistake on that aspect, then shame on me, I suppose, in that aspect. But that [4:53:38, 4:53:40]: You want to irritate in person, you know that? [4:53:40, 4:53:53]: Okay. Well anyway, what it amounts to is that Mr Garden you can answer this if you can. I mean that is my signature, I acknowledge that without a doubt. And so it was it was issued to me and my thought process was that it was approved by the council. But go ahead, sir, please. [4:53:53, 4:53:56]: Yeah, I I d uh I think Mayor Ford is correct. [4:53:56, 4:54:03]: Um that it ended up on his desk and obviously he assumed that it went through the process and it did not. [4:54:03, 4:54:05]: And then the interim inter inter [4:54:06, 4:54:08]: during the interceding pro um period. [4:54:08, 4:54:11]: There was potential sale of the property. [4:54:11, 4:54:31]: Um and so we held off because there was I'll buy it as is, and then as we know, we're not gonna buy it as is. I'll buy it if you white box it. Um so that negotiated period and trying to get them to do some things different was the time period, the gap in between that. Um but yeah, so [4:54:31, 4:54:39]: We were given strict instructions to move forward with white boxing it. The consultants already on board and ready to go to work. Um [4:54:39, 4:54:51]: And as soon as it's act this contract is actually legally binding, um, with council approval, they'll get started in earnest and should get this process finished fairly quickly. It's my understanding of it. [4:54:52, 4:55:12]: Yeah, go ahead. Please sir. Uh Mr. Gardner, the the one that's signed, is it sign for as is? That's before we because you got two you had two sides. You had a white box, you had as is. Is that signed for as is when that first came before us? [4:55:12, 4:55:32]: RFP was put out for the renovation of the building and that was the contract that was signed for the cons for the construction building. So then it was signed to white box it. Yes. Then then that shouldn't have been signed anyway then because it was signed. It was signed in error. I'm in agreement with that shouldn't have been signed because if we we we still have it [4:55:32, 4:55:50]: But at that point we we we talked about an appraisal amount after the fact. Right. Yeah, but we had processes. Sorry to cut you off, Ms. Garner. But we had two different amounts. [4:55:50, 4:55:52]: We have the appraisal amount. [4:55:52, 4:56:09]: And then we had the renovation amount. Those two combined would have been the total for or or the means to yeah to to negotiate with anybody because as is is as is. Correct. White boxing is a cost to the city. Correct. So nothing should have been signed. So [4:56:10, 4:56:18]: Understood. But once again, I mean I think the count the initial presentation that was given to you guys last year [4:56:18, 4:56:29]: was to white box this process, this building, and the authorization was to go forward with a RFP to bring a construction company in to white box one hundred fourteen MLK. [4:56:29, 4:56:31]: Yeah, but we just had [4:56:32, 4:56:47]: I I don't wanna go into I can't do that because we had we had there's been other talks we had a discussion. Yes. You know, I mean within the last ninety days. Right. So there there was there was a potential per there there's a person who was interested in this property. [4:56:47, 4:56:55]: Um and that person showed interest initially as buying it as is and renovating it themselves. [4:56:55, 4:56:57]: Ви се окей. [4:56:57, 4:56:58]: We put before them [4:56:59, 4:57:19]: We went over a proposal similar to the one we saw when we went to Fayetteville and how they did that deal with with the building they own. And I presented that to the to prospective buyer. She was not in agreement of that. She later came back and said, Hey, I'll buy it if you guys white box it and put a grease trap in it. [4:57:19, 4:57:27]: Which was the original thought the whole time. But then that goes back, I don't want to get too far. Then that goes back to what I just said. [4:57:28, 4:57:31]: If the original was as is and that didn't happen [4:57:31, 4:57:38]: Why would we have a signature for white box? Mayor Fortnite. [4:57:38, 4:57:40]: Point of order. What's your point of order? [4:57:41, 4:57:49]: The item on this agenda is to approve the contract award. Has nothing to do with the appraisal and [4:57:50, 4:57:51]: The white boxing. [4:57:52, 4:57:57]: Read the item on the agenda. Okay. You know, the agenda that you put together. Read the item. [4:57:58, 4:57:58]: Thank you. [4:57:59, 4:58:00]: Mr. Blount, continue, please. [4:58:01, 4:58:04]: Uh yeah, I was just curious on why we [4:58:05, 4:58:11]: Well h neither here nor there. I I think that what the city needs to do at this point is to continue to do what we [4:58:12, 4:58:13]: Mayor Ford. [4:58:14, 4:58:15]: Point of order. Yes. [4:58:17, 4:58:37]: What's your point of order? I heard what you said earlier. Okay. I've con I gave I gave the item is on the agenda. I gave Mr. Blount the mission to continue. Can you stick with the item as you came up on the agenda? Mayor, Mayor. Go ahead, please. I'm not gonna be here all night playing games. [4:58:37, 4:58:42]: I'm just saying I don't want to be just addressed the item as it is on the agenda. [4:58:43, 4:59:00]: Go ahead, Mr. Blount. Mm Mr. Garner, you know what we need to do with this. Uh the uh whatever notification on that signature we need to do, let's let's do that. And whatever we need to do as far as getting the amounts on the property. Because I I you know, I'm really about to check out. I can't do this all night. [4:59:00, 4:59:02]: Yes sir, go ahead please. [4:59:02, 4:59:06]: Uh m Mr. Gardner, uh in reference to [4:59:06, 4:59:07]: The contract. [4:59:08, 4:59:09]: Um [4:59:11, 4:59:19]: This contract never did come before the council. That is correct. It did not talk about now I I do recall the discussion about [4:59:19, 4:59:20]: White boxes. [4:59:22, 4:59:35]: Correct. Well this goes way back with with the Main Street program. Uh but we never did get that information as far as the contract to renovate. That was a problem number one. Um [4:59:35, 4:59:38]: You mentioned in your presentation [4:59:39, 4:59:45]: The agreement to purchase and I know I've asked this question ten times about [4:59:46, 4:59:48]: Uh and this council has not made that decision. [4:59:49, 4:59:50]: To sale or lease, [4:59:50, 5:00:09]: I know that's not a part of the agenda, but I'm just saying this council has not made that decision. So I don't know how we can entertain any of that. Um no, we have not. No, no. Um I'm um um the discussion that was had was to move forward with the white boxing of [5:00:10, 5:00:20]: And to also appraise the property so that we will know what we have to do as it relates to a sales price was w was discussed I think in in session. [5:00:21, 5:00:28]: Okay, well I I'm just gonna end the devil because I know we're talking about the contract. Yeah. I I think the contract is is is pretty high. [5:00:28, 5:00:29]: Um [5:00:30, 5:00:32]: I'll just leave it there. [5:00:32, 5:00:52]: But I know the other issues that goes along with this, but I know that's not what we're talking about tonight. So therefore, it's hard for me to vote on this contract without me asking questions that I have concern with that include this whole business of this one. [5:00:52, 5:00:54]: So [5:00:56, 5:01:12]: Just to try to keep the conversation about the contract, I I I guess I can't go any further because I'll be out of order as well, I guess, if I ask questions that I need to ask in order for me to say yay or nay about [5:01:13, 5:01:31]: A three hundred and sixty-eight thousand dollar renovation. Right. Okay. And and so my understanding of it and and um and also let me say though, Mr. Gardner. Say again. Let me also say the cost of the purchase of this building. [5:01:31, 5:01:35]: is included in that total amount. So I'm just saying [5:01:36, 5:01:39]: When we get ready to put this back out there. [5:01:39, 5:01:59]: This is a tall mountain. But may I'm a year back. Yeah, what I'm thinking that if we were gonna continue on with this depending on certain questions you may have or anybody else may have, this may be very well uh as uh best in executive session if we're gonna have that. We're supposed to have a executive session easily for one personal item, so it I don't know if we need to talk about this further and to do get this thing uh through or or [5:01:59, 5:02:04]: not through one or the other. Because there's only a certain amount of things you can talk about publicly in this aspect as well. [5:02:06, 5:02:09]: So that's this I additional two cents on this issue. [5:02:10, 5:02:11]: So [5:02:13, 5:02:33]: So on that I'm in agreement with having any further discussion with this in executive session. You are in agreement. Yeah, because I have a couple of questions also. I don't want to discuss it out. So I think that that if we're gonna discuss it further, we have to do it in executive session. Okay. All right. Okay, so on on that note, my comments. Uh ladies and gentlemen, obviously the COVID 19 is still [5:02:33, 5:02:53]: Existing out there. And so COVID testing is done Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at Red Hawk Field, right to Madonna on Henry Parkway. And the Department of Health also on located Henry Parkway can administer Moderma and Pfizer vaccinations. And they do that from 9 a.m. to 11:30 a.m. as well as 1 p.m. to 2:30 p.m. And that [5:02:53, 5:03:05]: number at the public uh health department of public health in Madonna is four seven zero six six one zero zero zero five. Okay. Now also by the way on on um [5:03:05, 5:03:25]: July fourth, which is right coming right a right around the corner here. Uh we're going to have a uh celebration in our amphitheater in July fourth, a city event. And from six thirty roughly to ten PM. And we're going to have uh fireworks display for the first time in the city of Starburgs I know of to celebrate the uh birth of the nation. [5:03:25, 5:03:45]: Alright, and we will have some concerts that evening. Confunction and Daz band will be on stage in this aspect. So that's a great thing there. I know it's part of my uh error when I in a sense, so I I I'm pretty sure a lot of people enjoy those two groups in this aspect. And of course we have on uh here [5:03:45, 5:04:05]: Recently, coming real short. Matter of fact, this weekend is Saturday, we have the June tea celebration. And uh this celebration actually the second time we a second celebration we had one to drive by last year due to the uh pandemic, but this is actually on Sunday, June 19th, from 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. at Clark Park, and we'll have food, food trucks, vendors there, arch and crafts. [5:04:05, 5:04:25]: Crafts and seafood fill will also be there. And this is it, barbecue and seafood will also be there as well. And we have some type of different acts and live acts and uh to uh entertain us in this aspect as well. So um you have the Gabonese uh Afrocombatic uh troop from the Universal Soul Circle. [5:04:25, 5:04:45]: circus. Um and we'll have a um a drinking project. If I got I probably pronounced that wrong. A different project here that's uh going to be entertaining us. Uh the Destiny Dance uh uh group studio right here in Stockbridge and you have some entertainment uh by Fred Red Oak United Methodist Church and also Floyd Chapel Baptist Church. [5:04:45, 5:05:05]: So that's uh Clark Park 4 to 7 on uh Sunday 19th, which is this coming Sunday, uh coming up to celebrate Juneteenth in this aspect as well. And um and I want to give an additional shout out once again to a Stockbridge resident, a young man by the name of Michael Harris. I'll tell you what, he's doing great. [5:05:05, 5:05:25]: Great things with Atlanta Braves. And uh there's a bit arc bid article in the Atlanta Journal of Constitution this week in the sports section about him and his tenacity and how he came through Stockbridge High School, got into the farm system of the Braves and made it up to the the pros here uh several weeks or so ago. So he's doing a great thing. So look forward to meeting him uh one day. [5:05:25, 5:05:45]: And bringing him to City Council and do something special for him. Like gave him a key to the city, something along those lines. But uh it's great that he that he started residents doing so such great things in that note. Uh on that, uh we'll go talk about uh some announcements, upcoming meetings, and events. And uh screaming what we have now, Downtown Development Authority. [5:05:45, 5:06:05]: Meeting 6 p.m. by way of Zoom, third Tuesday of each month. It's going to be June 21st. The youth council advisory committee meeting is 6 30 on third Tuesday of each month in a Levi meeting room in City Hall. It'll be June 21st. The planning commission meeting fourth Thursday at 6 30 p.m. by way of Zoom on June 23rd. City Council Work Session meeting spell which is a [5:06:05, 5:06:25]: Going to be like a special call, special meeting in a sense, because it's going to be on Wednesday in the Council Chambers on June 29th, and that's due to the fact that we're coming back from Georgia Municipal Association annual conference on the 28th. The Main Street Advisory Board, the second Friday on each month and 9 a.m. on July 8th. City Council meeting the second Monday of each month. City Council Chamber [5:06:24, 5:06:44]: Chambers July 11th. Uh Council meetings at 5 30 p.m. on the second Wednesday of each month in the Levi Meeting Room in City Hall July 13th. Upcoming events, of course, is a continuous salute to veterans. Please, for pictures of veterans, including name, rank, and branch, and years of service in Miraport Tim Thomas presents a special tribute to our local veterans. [5:06:44, 5:07:04]: Pictures should be submitted to Roslyn Rawls and R Rawls at City of Stockbridge dash G A dot G O V. And of course thank you, sir veterans, for your service. Uh please join Councilman Barber for a free zoom on every Saturday morning at Clark uh Community Park, eight A. M. Come out for fitness in the park and uh [5:07:04, 5:07:24]: Join us tomorrow night for Tasty Tuesday uh truck takeover at Clark Park uh June fourteenth, which is tomorrow June fourteenth, actually here today June fourteenth, June twenty-eighth, july twelfth, july twenty-sixth, august second, august ninth, august sixteenth, and august twenty-third, and august twentieth. That uh Tasty Tuesday is on [5:07:24, 5:07:44]: From the Clark Park from 5:30 to 8:30 p.m. So come out and enjoy great food and family fun. And come meet me on and voice your questions and concerns on Wednesday, June 29th at uh from 10 a.m. to uh to 12 noon. That's in person. And you can call Ross and Rawls to schedule an appointment at 770-322. [5:07:44, 5:08:04]: 389-7900 extension 248. And you join America Pro Tem Thomas with a sip and see tour of the City Amphitheater Tuesday, June 21st from 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. And here's your opportunity for the community to see the seating layout and get information about upcoming events and enjoy live music and refreshments. On that note, we're going to go to the next slide. [5:08:04, 5:08:09]: We have uh we need to go into second session. Council, I need a motion to go into second session, please. [5:08:10, 5:08:15]: I I need motion to go into second session for litigation, personnel, or real estate. [5:08:16, 5:08:18]: Okay, Mr Blount Summo is there a second. [5:08:18, 5:08:21]: I second. Ms. Gantt, second then. All in favor, please indicate. [5:08:22, 5:08:23]: Okay, four. [5:08:24, 5:08:24]: Yeah. [5:08:26, 5:08:29]: Okay. Four zero. Zero. [5:08:29, 5:08:31]: All right, we're going as I said, we're back, folks. [5:09:13, 5:09:15]: [18582.7, 18584.1]: So that's the new class. [5:10:47, 5:10:50]: Yeah, we'll say three or those three. [5:10:50, 5:10:53]: Looks for some more uh. [5:11:07, 5:11:08]: Okay. [5:11:09, 5:11:09]: They won't. [5:11:44, 5:11:45]: Yeah.