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--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2023-11-13 source: 2023-11-13_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:02]: And we'll start this in about four minutes. [0:00:03, 0:00:03]: Okay. [0:00:35, 0:00:37]: [ 55.0, 60.1]: Okay, okay. Okay. Okay. [0:02:31, 0:02:51]: There we go. Want to make sure this thing works, right? All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna get started with this. Um the four proclamations that uh I need to read today, and uh want to get started here shortly, and because we want to be timely when our council meeting was scheduled to start at six o'clock as well. So we'll start this off with uh world. [0:02:51, 0:03:05]: pancreatic pancreatic cancer day. All right. Uh let's see here. That's right there. Since you're standing on this side I'll stand over here then. Okay, no problem. You wanna come down this way as well? And uh okay. [0:03:05, 0:03:25]: Whereas World Pancreatic Cancer Day is November 16, 2023, and whereas pancreat pancreatic cancer has the highest mortality rate of all major cancers, whereas the five-year survival rate of pancreatic cancer is now twelve percent, an increase of one percent point one percent. [0:03:25, 0:03:35]: this point from last year. Whereas an estimated sixty four thousand five hundred excuse me, sixty four thousand fifty Americans will be diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. [0:03:35, 0:03:44]: Into uh twenty twenty-three, more people than ever before, approximately five fifty thousand five hundred and fifty Americans are expected to die from the disease this year. [0:03:44, 0:03:45]: That's a lot. [0:03:46, 0:03:51]: Whereas pancreatic cancer action network mission is to take bold action to improve the lives of everyone. [0:03:52, 0:04:00]: Impacted by pancreatic cancer by advancing scientific research, building community, sharing knowledge, and advocating for patients. [0:04:00, 0:04:08]: Whereas November is a month of empowerment, education, inspiration for communities far and wide who have been touched by can pancreatic cancer. [0:04:09, 0:04:29]: It is our opportunity to shine a light on this disease, to elevate our voices, to raise awareness, and to invite others to join us in the journey towards a cure. Now therefore I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority, invested in me as the mayor of City of Startbridge, Georgia, and on behalf of City Council members Elton, Alexander, Yolanda Barber, John Blount, Akisha Gantt and Afonso Thomas, do [0:04:29, 0:04:49]: We hereby proclaim November as Pancreatic Awareness Month in the city of Stobbridge, and we encourage everyone to join the Pankanreatic Cancer Action Network webinar, Change the Course, Early Detection for Pancreatic Cancer, on November 16th. Please visit pancan.odorg for registration. [0:04:49, 0:05:01]: information. Whereas therefore I hereundo set my hand on the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on thirteenth day of November, year of our Lord, two thousand and twenty three. And I signed a proclamation along with our Clerk Vanessa holiday. [0:05:01, 0:05:08]: So I'm not sure if there's anybody here that's is here to receive this uh proclamation, but if not, we have it part of record. So we'll just take a picture. [0:08:04, 0:08:05]: [536.5, 537.2]: Yeah. [0:11:11, 0:11:12]: Yeah, [0:16:26, 0:16:28]: [1322.7, 1326.1]: Oh with that on Facebook. I'll I'll post up the link for it. [0:22:33, 0:22:34]: Oh she's uh [0:22:35, 0:22:37]: My boss is that is not gonna be on [0:22:38, 0:22:39]: But of course there is no there's no [0:22:41, 0:22:42]: Demetri just told me that. [0:22:51, 0:22:54]: That's difficult. [0:22:55, 0:22:58]: I get the point, I'm just saying I don't have enough control to put it on. [0:22:58, 0:23:00]: No, this is my point. He explained it. [0:23:02, 0:23:04]: Oh, Facebook, getting a Facebook. [0:23:04, 0:23:06]: That's the flash of the board. [0:23:07, 0:23:10]: But relapse, I rely on your [0:23:10, 0:23:14]: To give me information that I didn't rely to them He probably he probably can't think. [0:23:15, 0:23:20]: Civil Sugar ain't never been a part. Ever been a part. [0:23:21, 0:23:24]: Oh so I need to correct what I just said today. [0:23:38, 0:23:40]: I'm going I gotta rely on what you did. [0:23:41, 0:23:46]: I was using I could tell them which I know but I'm told somebody else, yeah, I I get it. [0:23:47, 0:23:51]: No, it's it's Facebook. Cypricard's always been fine. It's just the Facebook. They they [0:24:06, 0:24:06]: Also the link is all. [0:26:01, 0:26:03]: Yeah. [0:30:50, 0:30:55]: There's a memory stick in here and I didn't want to take it out if it's like it's a wine. [0:30:55, 0:30:57]: Juan. [0:30:57, 0:30:58]: She needs a season. [0:30:58, 0:31:00]: Our IT person is gonna come help me. Wonderful. [0:31:18, 0:31:18]: Oh yeah. [0:31:19, 0:31:27]: I just didn't want to take out the memory stick if if you were using it. Oh oh um I think that's for uh for input that in the [0:31:28, 0:31:30]: Or I can spray. [0:31:31, 0:31:33]: [1893.7, 1895.1]: That's [0:31:36, 0:31:37]: I don't like it. [0:31:39, 0:31:44]: I guess I could put this right here. Yeah, I'll just load it back in when I want. Thank you. [0:31:58, 0:32:00]: Yeah, we can look at this. [0:32:00, 0:32:04]: Well then. [0:32:22, 0:32:25]: So yeah, yeah. [0:33:15, 0:33:18]: Council, could you come to DIS please so we can get started with our meeting? [0:33:19, 0:33:21]: Council, please come to Dis, please. [0:33:29, 0:33:33]: Humble mark. [0:33:54, 0:33:56]: She's here. She's here, but uh [0:33:57, 0:33:59]: We are going to [0:34:03, 0:34:11]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I have six o'clock. I'd like to call this city council meeting November thirteenth, twenty twenty three, to order. [0:34:12, 0:34:20]: Invocation this evening, Mr. Mike Davis, sir. Please, if you can come to the mic, the mic should be on. Ladies and gentlemen, please stand if you can. [0:34:25, 0:34:45]: Let's uh go to the Lord in prayer. Gracious Heavenly Father, as we come to you today, thanking you for all that you have blessed us with. Thank you so much, Lord, for the uh Stockbridge uh City Council and all the members here. Lord, we just lift them up and we uh pray that uh pray for them and and through these meetings, uh they work a long lot of long, hard hours. [0:34:45, 0:35:05]: uh for the citizens and we just thank you for them. And Lord, we just uh lift this whole meeting up to you and pray your will will be done as as it will be done. And Lord that we just uh honor you and all that we do for it's in Christ's name we pray. Amen. Amen. Do a pledge allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag. [0:35:05, 0:35:17]: with the stand of earth and through the public with which stand one nation under God individuals with liberties and justice for [0:35:18, 0:35:20]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:35:25, 0:35:38]: I just wanted to mention Mayor the agendas are available in the table in the lobby if you did not pick one up on your way in. Mayor Ford? Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. [0:35:40, 0:35:42]: Councilman Alexander. [0:35:43, 0:35:45]: Councilman Blount. [0:35:46, 0:35:53]: Councilwoman Gantt. Present. Councilman Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. Thank you, Madam Kirk. I appreciate that. Um [0:35:54, 0:36:13]: Council, I'll need the uh actually amendment to the agenda and uh like for you to listen to this please. I'd like to need a need a motion to amend the agenda to defer the following items to December eleventh, twenty twenty-three meeting by the applicant's uh request, and that would be item number twelve, thirteen, and fourteen. [0:36:14, 0:36:21]: So moved. Is there a second to that motion? Second. Mr. Blount, second to that motion. All favor, please indicate. [0:36:22, 0:36:40]: I have unanimous decision. Got four votes on that. So items twelve, thirteen, and fourteen will be postponed until the eleventh. Mayor Ford. Yes ma'am. For the record, that is the annexation case for property at 77 and 87 Holloway Road. [0:36:40, 0:37:00]: It is. It is uh deals with the once again annexation case you're right. Uh on the seventy seven eighty seven holiday road, also the comprehensive uh plan movement uh amendment case for the same uh level, same uh property addresses, seventy seven eighty seven Holloway Road, and also the rezoning case for those same properties. Those will be reviewed and uh [0:37:00, 0:37:13]: held held on December eleventh by the applicant's request. So they will not be heard this evening. Uh let's see here. Okay, now I need a motion to the adopt the overall agenda, please. [0:37:15, 0:37:35]: Is there a second? All in favor, please indicate. Okay, thank you very much, unanimous decision on that. Um once again, uh council, you have the adoption of the minutes, the approval of the September eleventh, twenty twenty twenty twenty-three council minutes and also September twenty-sixth work session minutes. If there are no changes, I need a motion to accept those into the record. [0:37:35, 0:37:36]: [2257.0, 2260.0]: So is Mr. Alexander, is there a second? [0:37:41, 0:37:50]: Is there a second? Second. Miss is that you, Ms. Blount? Was that Mr. Ms. Blount? That was you? Yes. Okay, thank you. All right. All in favor, please indicate. [0:37:51, 0:37:53]: [2274.0, 2275.9]: Madam Clerk, do you have any public comments at all? [0:37:59, 0:38:19]: Okay. All right, then we'll on that note we'll go to our ceremonial review. Earlier uh today, roughly at five starting five thirty, we had four proclamations that uh were read into the record. World uh pancreatic cancer day, a small business Saturday uh for twenty twenty-three, and which I understand that should be November. [0:38:19, 0:38:38]: 25th, I believe that date is. A Business Matters Expo and that dealt with the Alpha Cappa Alpha Swordie Cy Alpha Omega chapter here in Henry County. And also a proclamation for the National Native American Indian Month, that we honored that along with um Alaskan natives as well. [0:38:39, 0:38:45]: On that note we'll go to Yes ma'am. Our retiree has arrived. Oh y he has? [0:38:46, 0:39:06]: Okay. Uh all right. Isn't that something? All right, council of uh we have a retired employee that uh I have a award for that was not here earlier. I've just been notified of course that uh he has now arrived, so we'd like to issue that that uh award to him. And so on that note uh I'd like to [0:39:06, 0:39:18]: have a motion just to go ahead and and change that. Put that on the agenda per se. It's a ceremonial type of thing. So that's neither uh uh do this right now in this aspect. Is that right? I need sir. [0:39:19, 0:39:31]: Uh I move to uh alter the agenda to allow for this recognition. Okay. Is there a second? I second. Okay, all favor please indicate. Thank you very much. Okay, so we're seeing [0:39:32, 0:39:35]: Where is it? Council, you can come join me down. [0:39:55, 0:39:56]: Bear with us folks. [0:39:57, 0:39:59]: Well yeah, we recognize [0:40:01, 0:40:02]: Really? [0:40:43, 0:40:58]: Well ladies and gentlemen, if I could I would sing to you, but I'm a lousy seat. Thank you. Put it in an amendment. [0:41:05, 0:41:06]: [2467.6, 2469.2]: So [0:41:11, 0:41:14]: One of the things. [0:41:15, 0:41:20]: Uh I mean one of the shit. [0:41:31, 0:41:38]: Our ladies and gentlemen, this is uh Tommy Mosley, telling the water. [0:41:38, 0:41:45]: Okay. And Tommy's been with City Starkers thirty two years. Right. [0:41:52, 0:42:12]: We've seen a lot of changes in 32 years. And he's retired in this aspect. So we want to honor him in uh being a chance to uh give this back to you before. So 32 years of service, thank you for all the service and dedication that you've given to the city of Stockbridge with Community Connect 1991 to 2023. Congratulations. [0:42:12, 0:42:15]: [2540.8, 2541.7]: Yeah. [0:42:22, 0:42:38]: Who is his wife? His mother. His mother. I'm sorry, I didn't know that. Wait, you wanna come up for a picture, man? Yeah, any relatives you have by the way, are we wives here uh you got a word to lose the press up? No. [0:43:01, 0:43:01]: Where's it? [0:43:06, 0:43:10]: All right. So we're gonna go in three. [0:43:13, 0:43:15]: One two three. [0:43:30, 0:43:32]: Yeah. [0:43:56, 0:44:02]: All right, Council, we're gonna reconvene our meeting. And um [0:44:03, 0:44:19]: We have a presentation and the presentation deals with resise resc revised proc uh provisions to the state zoning procedures law, a presentation on the state of Georgia zoning procedure law regarding new mandated requirements. Mr Anderson, please. [0:44:23, 0:44:26]: Good evening. Um we have a presentation by a consultant. Um [0:44:30, 0:44:45]: for sure be giving us up to date on the recent changes from the two twenty twenty-three uh state of Georgia legislation. Uh some new movement regulations came out and changed the zone proceeding law and we got to do some mandate changes to our use by the Belgian [0:44:46, 0:44:47]: So we've got [0:44:48, 0:44:49]: Okay, thank you. [0:44:52, 0:44:56]: And welcome. Yeah is the mic should the mic should be on. [0:44:56, 0:44:59]: There we go. City Council. [0:44:59, 0:45:01]: Thank you for having me. [0:45:05, 0:45:11]: All right, so what I want to do, uh again, Ryan introduced me Rebecca Kiefer with CPO. [0:45:11, 0:45:12]: Um [0:45:12, 0:45:31]: And what I want to do tonight is walk you through what the changes are that happened at the state level and what that means for you locally here uh at City of Stockbridge. Um identify some recommendations moving forward and then uh get get some direction and then proceed through the text amendment process from there. [0:45:31, 0:45:32]: Okay, thank you. [0:45:32, 0:45:45]: So first uh just very briefly wanted to outline what zoning procedures law is. Essentially this is uh it identifies the uh process that you have to go through if you want to at the local level. [0:45:45, 0:45:50]: uh use your zoning power. So it outlines it does not tell you [0:45:50, 0:45:56]: How to zone, um, kind of what your zoning policy should be. But it does say these are if you are going to zone. [0:45:56, 0:46:06]: These are the minimum uh processes and notification requirements that you that you have to have. And um you've got to have them in your ordinances. [0:46:06, 0:46:26]: And then uh you can do some things above and beyond that, but at a minimum you have to do these various things. Uh it was most recently, and I'll I'll review the amendments, but it was most recently amended in July twenty twenty-two, and and actually there was a an amendment this past legislative session that I'll I'll review what that means too. It did not update. [0:46:26, 0:46:27]: Yeah. [0:46:27, 0:46:33]: uh the procedures section of zoning procedures law but does have implications for uh a land use. [0:46:34, 0:46:41]: Uh so House Bill fourteen oh five was what was uh am adopted in twenty twenty two, effective twenty twenty three. [0:46:42, 0:46:47]: And it did three things. It defined what quasi judicial decisions were. [0:46:47, 0:47:07]: Uh previously there was just a definition for zoning decision and said, and those are effectively rezonings, um, any kind of legislative decisions that you do. So now uh the state has said also the quasi-judicial decisions that you have, variances, special exceptions, those are also subject to uh these state zoning procedures law. [0:47:07, 0:47:18]: It outlines those additional hearing and notice requirements that you have to do for quasi-judicial decisions and then uh also went in and and amended the appeals procedures uh previously. [0:47:19, 0:47:20]: Um it it [0:47:20, 0:47:27]: it was through uh rid of certiori and that went through a a series of kind of adjustments and now it clearly articulates [0:47:27, 0:47:36]: That um zoning decisions are appealed de novo, so um they can uh introduce new information, and quasi-judicial decisions are. [0:47:36, 0:47:41]: Um in the zoning procedures law it indicates writ of sortiori. [0:47:41, 0:47:52]: But there also was a an additional bill um that call calls that um uh you know something different. So that's uh what I'll outline in House Bill nineteen nine sixteen. [0:47:52, 0:47:53]: Yeah. [0:47:54, 0:48:00]: And then uh as a result of that, you're required to adopt these changes uh at the local level. [0:48:00, 0:48:00]: So [0:48:01, 0:48:04]: There are a couple of things that I'll I'll go through in the changes. Um [0:48:05, 0:48:11]: that we've got certain recommendations and and the reason for that is a little bit of ambiguity that was created with these amendments. [0:48:12, 0:48:17]: So you've got what are defined as quaus of judicial decisions, as there's a appeal of administrative decision. [0:48:17, 0:48:22]: special administrative permits, special exceptions. Also variances are defined in that. [0:48:23, 0:48:24]: And conditional uses. [0:48:25, 0:48:36]: Zoning decisions are des defined as rezonings, text amendments, uh I'm s uh special uses and concurrent variances. As you can see, kind of down the middle, there are a couple of things that kind of split the line. [0:48:36, 0:48:52]: of this is the same, but it's just bundled with the rezoning. And so uh what you'll see as a result of our recommendations is that you treat them all the same in that you're meeting both standards so that there's not any kind of um [0:48:52, 0:48:58]: a challenge that could come later if you are supposed to handle something one way. [0:48:58, 0:49:06]: but somebody's appealing it that you should have handled it another way. If we handle them all so that they meet both standards, then you'll be on on good ground either way. [0:49:08, 0:49:18]: So um first I had mentioned that it changed the or it added the definition of quasi judicial um through the definition of quasi judicial officers, boards or agencies. [0:49:18, 0:49:21]: Um and then added to the zoning decision. [0:49:21, 0:49:22]: Uh [0:49:22, 0:49:33]: But prior to this it said if you're m you know, taking an action to approve of zoning decision and this uh amendment also just added if you also repeal or deny it does not not make that a zoning decision. [0:49:34, 0:49:35]: So what [0:49:35, 0:49:42]: As far as the structure of my presentation, I've got kind of a summary of the the changes to zoning procedures law. [0:49:42, 0:49:55]: In the white portion and then in the orange, kind of what we're recommending for for you all to do to to make adjustments. So in the ordinance, we're suggesting that through the text amendment process we can clearly define the actions that are defined. [0:49:56, 0:50:03]: Even if that's to to reference state law, we want to make sure that it is clear what those are and and what has to follow what procedures. [0:50:03, 0:50:07]: And then um in practice the change is is just make sure that [0:50:07, 0:50:18]: um these are are being followed. And if we add anything extra at the local level that is not required at the state level from a due process standpoint, we just want to make sure that we're following that as well. [0:50:19, 0:50:38]: required hearings. Just um there's a specification or kind of a differentiation between the two that for uh zoning decisions only uh one hearing is required whereas per proposed action is required for a uh quasi judicial decision. And so um we would just recommend that you continue to vote on each action individually. [0:50:40, 0:50:47]: Notice requirements. Again, I'm I'm mostly articulating what is different. Um there are notice requirements for zoning decisions as well. [0:50:47, 0:50:52]: But for quasi judicial decisions, since those are what uh have been newly introduced in this legislation. [0:50:53, 0:50:55]: Those require thirty days of notice. [0:50:56, 0:50:59]: And it requires written notification to the property owner. [0:51:00, 0:51:02]: Previously in the code there are there are a lot of ordinances [0:51:03, 0:51:10]: that uh at the local level require, you know, property owner notific notification within three hundred feet, five hundred feet. [0:51:10, 0:51:14]: adjacent um which is what what's in your code. None of that's required at the state level. [0:51:14, 0:51:31]: But this has introduced the requirement to notify the property owner. Most of the time, that is also the applicant, um, or the applicant is is aware through virtue of you know having to sign off on it, but this just mandates that y uh a letter is sent to that property owner. [0:51:33, 0:51:40]: So this is one of the uh biggest changes and um something that will probably uh [0:51:40, 0:51:42]: impact you the least and and I'll explain why. [0:51:43, 0:51:47]: So what this this changed to multifamily, the multifamily um [0:51:48, 0:51:53]: u kind of use rezoning requirements says is that if you as a city [0:51:53, 0:52:03]: are introducing a text amendment that involves allowing a multifamily use in a single family district. So um that's if in your [0:52:05, 0:52:05]: Um [0:52:05, 0:52:25]: your suburban district, you are suburban residential district, you are allowing a multifamily use within there through your text amendment process, then you have to go through these added procedures. Or if you're abolishing in your entire code all single family residential classifications, you have to go through these added that all go through these added requirements. [0:52:25, 0:52:28]: requirements or if you are rezoning [0:52:29, 0:52:31]: Um, only the city, not an applicant initiated. [0:52:32, 0:52:34]: As the city, if you are rezoning property, [0:52:35, 0:52:40]: Um to allow multifamily in a single family district. [0:52:40, 0:52:46]: then you also have to follow these. So um just overall what we would recommend for these is [0:52:46, 0:52:48]: Most of these are uh [0:52:49, 0:52:56]: Things that you would not do likely from a from a policy standpoint. Looking at your comprehensive land, you're gonna protect your single family districts and not [0:52:57, 0:52:58]: uh allow multifamily in them. [0:52:59, 0:53:15]: We have to at least reference the uh state legislation and these added requirements, but it is a lot of extra text that you're not likely gonna going to have to implement. So what we are suggesting is that you adopt these uh added requirements by reference and say [0:53:15, 0:53:18]: If the city were ever to do any one of these three things. [0:53:18, 0:53:27]: then um reference these additional requirements. But because it's not something that you're likely going to do, we would not recommend putting it in the code. And and I'll show you why. [0:53:29, 0:53:42]: So um from a hearing standpoint, if you're gonna do one of those three things, um decisions have to be adopted at two regular meetings that are a minimum of twenty-one days apart. So there's a lot of kind of calendaring that you have to uh navigate. [0:53:43, 0:53:54]: Prior to that two read required adoption, you have to have two additional public hearings, and they have to be held between three and nine months prior to adoption, and then there's a time duration for those. [0:53:55, 0:54:08]: And then there's a notice requirement. So uh you have to post the affected premises. Uh and if there's more than 500 parcels, then you have to post every five hundred feet. So for instance, let's say uh you're going through and doing the text amendment. [0:54:08, 0:54:12]: А то елиминіт сингл фамили і [0:54:12, 0:54:13]: in the code. [0:54:14, 0:54:17]: All the current single family districts would have to be noticed in this manner. [0:54:17, 0:54:19]: And then you've got to do the newspaper ad. [0:54:19, 0:54:27]: Again, those are policies that are you are not likely to do and s so we would recommend just adopting that by reference. So if if sometime there is some [0:54:27, 0:54:42]: legitimate reason why uh you're gonna want to do that. At least there's a notification to staff, an alert that says, hey, if you're gonna process something that is in this manner, you've got all this additional uh these additional requirements. [0:54:44, 0:54:50]: So um moving on from that, there's also a requirement to uh provide [0:54:50, 0:54:51]: Uh an uh [0:54:51, 0:54:55]: written policies and procedures. So those are the that's the criteria. [0:54:55, 0:55:00]: for um you know variances and things to be [0:55:00, 0:55:18]: available to the public um it written. And so right now you can call up the department and and get those written. Um but we would recommend uh kind of providing those at the uh at council meetings so that it's it's just something that's readily available. So we've got to write that into the ordinance and then um [0:55:18, 0:55:23]: adopt that as a pr a practice to offer those printed coun uh copies at council meetings. [0:55:23, 0:55:32]: And those are again the procedures for hearing those variances and uh rezonings, but then also the criteria that you all use to uh assess them. [0:55:33, 0:55:41]: And then the appeals that I had mentioned, um, there's the de novo for appeal for uh review for zoning defici decisions, and then [0:55:42, 0:55:51]: um the appellate review for quasi j judicial decisions. And one thing that uh the zoning procedures law has mandated is that we designate in the ordinance [0:55:52, 0:55:56]: An uh an elected official or designee for quasi judicial appeals. [0:55:57, 0:56:01]: and uh an officer of quasi judicial boards to receive those um [0:56:02, 0:56:03]: Uh those appeals. [0:56:04, 0:56:09]: And then just the effective date. So we wanna uh adopt these and move forward. [0:56:09, 0:56:13]: So then the two other bills that I had mentioned in my presentation, House Bill nine sixteen. [0:56:14, 0:56:23]: Uh it was uh an amendment from this this most current legislative session and it and it actually repeals the writ of sortiory process that we used to process appeals. [0:56:23, 0:56:37]: And now it calls it a petition for review process. Um so anything that is being appealed, uh uh any quasi-judicial decision, i it's just a new process in a new section that is not in the zoning procedures law. [0:56:37, 0:56:44]: Um, but is important because it actually uh the verbiage at least conflicts with zoning procedures law. So we'll wanna reference this this revision. [0:56:46, 0:56:55]: And then this is the land use that I mentioned. So Senate Bill 213 from this past legislative uh session is an amendment to zoning procedures law. [0:56:55, 0:57:15]: And it it did two things. It outlined uh what uh manufactured housing uh and similar types it it's uh that are applicable, and then prohibited local governments from preventing non conforming uh manufactured housing from being replaced. So if there's a lot and it doesn't meet [0:57:15, 0:57:24]: setbacks doesn't meet uh design regulations in the current code, they have to be allowed to replace them. And so we need to uh amend the code to be able to do that as well. [0:57:25, 0:57:26]: Um [0:57:27, 0:57:36]: And so then I will run through uh a series of policy decisions just to kind of um tick tick through for uh you all that we will be [0:57:36, 0:57:38]: uh analyzing so if you have um [0:57:38, 0:57:47]: any any preferences, please please chime in. So for one, in state law there is uh the ability for uh successive applications [0:57:48, 0:57:52]: Um that if they are denied uh for zoning decisions. [0:57:52, 0:58:12]: that they have to effectively have a waiting period of six months. In your code today, that is 12 months. And so you have the ability of dropping down and just doing the state law minimum. So um if there's any preference um to drop down to the six months, I'm happy to hear it and kind of make those adjustments. Otherwise we can continue with the 12 months because it [0:58:12, 0:58:14]: [3494.2, 3496.1]: Just wanted to um note that. [0:58:17, 0:58:28]: Property owner uh notifications. Currently you're doing the adjacent property owner notifications, so we'll just add to that um that the subject property owner has to be notified as well if for some reason they're not a party to it. [0:58:29, 0:58:36]: Um as far as accepting service, we are recommending um mayor and city clerk. [0:58:36, 0:58:42]: uh for that accepting service but can can kind of write in um uh who your preference is. [0:58:44, 0:58:57]: Currently, um you've got a list of allowed variances that limits your flexibility a little bit. And so we would be looking at identifying a list of prohibited variances that um [0:58:57, 0:59:01]: People cannot request and but then opening the door to [0:59:01, 0:59:05]: Um what additional variance is subject to that criteria? [0:59:05, 0:59:07]: Um that hardship criteria. [0:59:08, 0:59:13]: We'll look at uh a waiver process that varies a little bit from a variance process in that. [0:59:14, 0:59:20]: uh you do not necessarily have to meet a uh the barrier of a hardship. [0:59:20, 0:59:32]: But uh it would be to design standards and things where you're able to provide alternative designs, but maybe not meet the letter of the code. And so that would be um something that we would propose in the amendments. [0:59:33, 0:59:48]: Consider uh reviewing Platz as an administrative process and then consider implementing a community zoning information meeting, which is applicant driven, kind of outside of the city where the the applicant has to um present and and provide minutes from from their meeting. [0:59:50, 0:59:59]: And then um just to let you know the adoption schedule, um uh probably in December uh at uh planning. [0:59:59, 1:00:05]: We would uh look to adopt the twenty twenty-four calendar that is consistent with this thirty-day notification process. [1:00:05, 1:00:07]: And um [1:00:07, 1:00:12]: then bring before planning commission uh december twenty first the [1:00:12, 1:00:20]: Uh text amendment to be heard and then Marin City Council on January 9th for adoption all of these redlined uh text amendments. [1:00:20, 1:00:29]: So with that I am ready for questions if you've got any. Well thank you for the briefing. I appreciate that. Um Mr. Washington and Mr. Gardner, could you come to the mic, please? To the podium. [1:00:34, 1:00:54]: Ma'am, I n you you probably have some questions coming up as well. I just want to double check. We have a couple I mean, I see the adoption schedule here, so I'm I'm pretty sure this answers my question. Otherwise we have rezoning cases before us tonight. So obviously this these changes we haven't officially adopted even though it's been passed in the legislature. With those this will don't doesn't take effect with anything we do tonight. Is that correct? [1:00:54, 1:00:55]: Right. [1:00:56, 1:01:02]: Okay. That's why I'm double check that. All right. Council, any questions you may have? Gentlemen, please stand by just in case. Questions? [1:01:03, 1:01:05]: Ms. Barber, you have a question? Go right ahead, please. [1:01:06, 1:01:12]: For clarity, um, with the question the mayor just asked, we do have a public hearing on the agenda. [1:01:12, 1:01:15]: One specifically the Valley Hill Road. [1:01:15, 1:01:16]: Um [1:01:16, 1:01:19]: How does this affect the decision? [1:01:19, 1:01:20]: That the council may [1:01:21, 1:01:22]: Today regarding [1:01:22, 1:01:23]: that public hearing. [1:01:24, 1:01:25]: Yeah, so we had already [1:01:26, 1:01:35]: In reviewing this, we didn't have any conflicts with the legislation that needed to be proposed that the city was going to do with Valley Hill. I can't hear you. [1:01:35, 1:01:41]: It doesn't. We didn't have we didn't find that it did. Counsel, if I'm wrong, let me know, please. [1:01:45, 1:01:48]: Can you provide a full explanation? [1:01:50, 1:01:55]: The proposed changes that were up here that they said that needed to be taken into consideration for our zoning code. [1:01:55, 1:02:10]: Our zoning code is meeting that with the Valley Hill requirements. So there's no need for there to be any adjustment to the Valley Hill requirements if you all decide what you want to do with them. In other words, everything that has been proposed in our [1:02:11, 1:02:30]: Many of the things we kind of caught before this legislation was even passed. And so there'll be some tweaks, but they're not major tweaks. As she noted those five the six points that would need to be done would be tweaks, not major rewrites of all the legislation that we have. And so it doesn't affect enshort the Valley Hill or any of the decisions that are on the docket today. [1:02:30, 1:02:31]: Thank you, sir. [1:02:32, 1:02:35]: If I'm please correct me if I'm Any other questions, Council? [1:02:35, 1:02:37]: Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. [1:02:38, 1:02:43]: I want to thank you again for your presentation and uh I I need a little c clarity myself. [1:02:43, 1:02:48]: Uh when you mentioned uh Senate Bill two thirteen, uh the new zoning law. [1:02:49, 1:03:01]: You use the word conformity. Um, and I'm trying to get a better understanding. And I think you use an example if a property owner had a vacant piece of property and wanted to come in and build [1:03:02, 1:03:22]: they could not just come in and bill. It has to meet the same conformity as to what is already existing in that particular subdivision. And and the reason I asked, uh there's an issue currently in a subdivision and uh the property owner is trying to come in and bill [1:03:23, 1:03:24]: But [1:03:24, 1:03:29]: He wants to build something that is not [1:03:29, 1:03:35]: uh similar to what's there and I I think the city did deny [1:03:35, 1:03:55]: But now and I know there's a a a homeowner here and I wanted her to hear this because this is something that we had talked about. So can you reiterate? Thank you for the opportunity to clarify. Yes, this is for um things that existed well, well before today, um and for those uses specifically, not for not for any use, if not any use that's non-conforming. [1:03:55, 1:04:04]: conforming, any structure that's nonconforming. If the specific uses that that meet the definition and and a and a lot of that goes to interpretation. [1:04:04, 1:04:05]: Um [1:04:05, 1:04:07]: that we'd have to consider on a case by case basis. [1:04:08, 1:04:20]: Those are the situations that are afforded this uh ability to r to replace. It's not instituting something brand new that is not conforming to the current code. Anything brand new has to comply with the current code. [1:04:21, 1:04:22]: Thank you. [1:04:22, 1:04:23]: I knew it back there. [1:04:23, 1:04:31]: All right, no problem. Mr. Blount, you have a question? Yeah, I'm tr um looking at the prohibitions and I think it was you said was it Senate Bill two thirteen? [1:04:32, 1:04:34]: That talked about the trailer Holmes. Yes. [1:04:35, 1:04:35]: Um [1:04:36, 1:04:38]: If a developer comes in [1:04:38, 1:04:42]: for a long term scope of those properties uh [1:04:43, 1:04:45]: When you have trailer homes and a certain amount of acreage [1:04:47, 1:04:51]: And that developer wants to continue to buy, buy, buy and hold, hold, hold. [1:04:52, 1:04:55]: Is there a percentage in there of [1:04:55, 1:05:05]: homeowners that are still left, does that bills those prohibitions still stand for the rest of the community, even if that even if over fifty percent of that community is gone. [1:05:06, 1:05:09]: And and do the structures still exist? Are they currently being used? [1:05:10, 1:05:16]: Well at that point it doesn't matter because it because it's it's it's in a uh other ownership and not for that use. [1:05:16, 1:05:36]: Oh okay. So i if it's a a different use it's not likely, but we can we can while we're working on the red line text amendments, we can look at some specific cases and and try and understand how they how but you see what I'm saying, right? Right. Yeah. You know, because that's it's the same concept that happened what happened happens in communities, but [1:05:36, 1:05:47]: But it would be the same concept. But with those provisions, though prohibitions that are in the Senate Bill two thirteen, w I was just trying to figure out what percentage would that be nullified or how do you [1:05:48, 1:06:08]: Uh there is not a percentage that I'm familiar with, but I I can look at a a specific example and and just to get a better understanding for how it applies. Yeah, it's gotta be something in that bill because if you get say for instance for instance you got fifty homes and three left, now you got all this acreage that's been bought up, then that bill obviously can't [1:06:08, 1:06:14]: stand the way it's the way it's presented now. There has to be some kind of something in there that says [1:06:15, 1:06:29]: the right for the people that are wanting to develop the rest of the land. Well and certainly if the if the owner wants to do something different, this does not prohibit the landowner from doing something different. It just preserves rights of the the landowner or the user. [1:06:30, 1:06:50]: So it preserves the rights of the landowner that if he wants to rebuild, he can rebuild that instead of moving on. More than likely. Yeah, yeah. That that's if somebody wants to continue or wants to replace it, if there's not a desire to [1:06:50, 1:06:53]: to replace it then then the bill does not [1:06:53, 1:06:55]: I is not applicable. [1:06:55, 1:06:56]: Okay, got you. [1:06:56, 1:06:59]: Any other questions, Council? Go ahead, Ms uh Ms. Cant. [1:06:59, 1:07:08]: Um I don't have a question. I just have a comment. I did see here on the policy decisions that one of the things that mayor and council [1:07:08, 1:07:18]: can consider or should consider is community zoning information meetings, applicant driven. And I think that's something that we really need um [1:07:19, 1:07:21]: To put in our policy. [1:07:21, 1:07:26]: as a a requirement that we require them to have a community zoning information meeting. [1:07:26, 1:07:27]: I think that would be good. [1:07:27, 1:07:31]: without us having there are some developers who do it already. [1:07:31, 1:07:34]: they go out and they reach out to the community and people who are [1:07:34, 1:07:42]: Um maybe for or against. Um oftentimes it's against, but um I think it would do [1:07:43, 1:08:00]: uh a better of service and allow notice and allow more communication and dialogue between that developer and the community. So that was the last bullet point here under the policy decisions. And I think we should consider that as part of our policy. Okay. [1:08:01, 1:08:21]: Any other questions, concerns for the council? So since this deals with legislative uh process updates and changes that are done by at the Georgia State Capitol and the timeline given here, I would imagine we need a motion to accept this responsibility and have this done by the timeline so we're in compliance here at the at the municipality. [1:08:20, 1:08:30]: Municipality. So if that's the case, uh need a motion to accept this, along with maybe potentially Ms. Gantt, your additional comment. [1:08:30, 1:08:33]: And uh see what what the council wants to do here. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. [1:08:34, 1:08:45]: I move that we accept the revised provisions to the state zoning procedure law, in addition that we also require the community zoning information meetings by the applicant. [1:08:46, 1:08:47]: Okay, is there a second that motion? [1:08:49, 1:08:54]: Is there a second to the motion? Yes, sir. Ms. Mr. Thomas Secondette. All in favor, please indicate. [1:08:55, 1:08:59]: Shenam's decision. Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. [1:09:01, 1:09:16]: What's next is we at the twenty twenty two auditors discussion analys analysis of the annual comprehensive financial report from Malden and Jenkins. Mr. Gardner and Hope Pendergrass and Malden and Jenkins, please. Welcome. [1:09:22, 1:09:32]: Good evening. How are you all doing? All just fine. Thank you for the opportunity to come and speak with you all tonight. I see that you have a very full agenda, so I'm gonna keep my remarks very brief. [1:09:32, 1:09:52]: Um we do have the 2022 audits. My understanding that's been provided to you all. Um highlights include that we issued an unmodified opinion. That's a clean opinion, that's the best that you can get. So kudos to management and the council for its leadership in that avenue. Um the city does prepare an annual comprehensive. [1:09:52, 1:09:58]: Financial report, which means that you all have taken the initiative to go above and beyond the basic requirement. [1:09:59, 1:10:19]: And submit your financial statements for a national award through the Government Finance Officers Association. You all have received this re award in previous years and your prior year certificate is included in the current year audit. And we have um no doubts that you all will continue to receive this certificate again for your 2022. [1:10:19, 1:10:20]: Um ac for. [1:10:21, 1:10:21]: Um [1:10:22, 1:10:42]: Other highlights include the fact that you all have fund balance in your general fund of about four point five million. Um your utility funds are holding steady. So um as far as that goes, we did have um a few findings in regard to uh material audit adjustments. That's something that's very that it's [1:10:42, 1:11:01]: It's pretty routine. Um Maldon and Jenkins audits about six hundred and fifty governments throughout the southeast. And so um whenever we make material audit adjustments, we do have to report those as a finding. That's nothing necessarily indicative of misappropriation. It's just sometimes you have to dot the I's across the T's and us accountants kinda geek out on that stuff. [1:11:01, 1:11:02]: So [1:11:02, 1:11:13]: Um, we did have some recommendations, those have been provided to management, but I don't see anything within the findings that can't be easily corrected in your 2023 year. [1:11:13, 1:11:18]: So that is my m my quick synopsis and I'll be happy to entertain any questions should you have them. [1:11:18, 1:11:38]: Well, thank you for that. Appreciate it. Council, what kind of questions do you have? Mr. Mr. Um Alexander, please go ahead. Thank you so much for your presentation. And uh you've been before us numerous times and you've been you've done the audit. You've done a fine job in completing the audit. I think in previous indications you had indicated you all uh audited some. [1:11:38, 1:11:41]: three hundred cities in Georgia, is that correct? [1:11:41, 1:11:55]: Um, I have to go back and look and see where we are as far as the number of of cities in Georgia, but um we we just keep up with it as a total. That includes six fifty includes cities, counties, boards of education. They're out our um southeast footprint. [1:11:56, 1:12:16]: Okay, so pretty much you do I guess is the commissions and uh school boards and everything. Yes, sir. A little bit of everything. Actually, I think you made the statement that the city was pretty strong in terms of where you were, uh in terms of uh what you had seen in other areas, especially with us having a reserve fund and then us um [1:12:16, 1:12:36]: been operating as we have been operating uh previously. Uh certainly we incorporated a police department this year, which kind of it certainly impacted the uh overall expenses. But what I heard from voters over over and over again during that time was that they wanted to be safe and certainly uh [1:12:36, 1:12:56]: Voters should understand that's uh why we had that's why we implemented a millage. The millage is at the lowest rate divisible, which was 3.77 percent. Previously, we had not had uh a millage. So certainly um those numbers still remain uh inefficient. [1:12:56, 1:13:02]: a stronger p in a strong s in a strong position uh with reserve funds uh available to the city. [1:13:05, 1:13:08]: Is that a question? Yes. Is there we remain in a strong position? [1:13:09, 1:13:09]: Um [1:13:10, 1:13:28]: Your fund balance is certainly not as strong as it has been, but like you said, the city has undertaking some initiatives in the current year that, you know, hopefully going forward, you know, they won't be as uh sustained of an expenditure up front. Anytime you implement new initiatives, you know, there's gonna be some upfront cost. Mm-hmm. So [1:13:28, 1:13:29]: Um [1:13:30, 1:13:34]: Does that answer your question? Yeah, I'd like to ask Mr. Gardner to come to the podium. [1:13:42, 1:14:02]: I think this is the time of the year that the property tax generally come in to the city and then that changes uh those numbers tr tremendously as we go through the year. We're taking down the amount and then bam the property taxes hit all at one time. Explain uh that process again. [1:14:02, 1:14:20]: we're sitting at that number today, uh which we are, but certainly we with the property taxes coming in, which is pretty much the majority, uh uh which is a large sum of the monies that we take in to balance our general fund. Talk about that. [1:14:20, 1:14:40]: Yes, sir. So your property tax is still not your number one source of resources. Lost. So your sales taxes at about twelve million. Um will estimate it to be that with the fact that of the population growth. But your property tax will come in, it will be citrical as it relates to your overall budget up financial operations throughout the year. [1:14:40, 1:15:00]: So for cities whose budget starts July 1 to June 30th, you know, they see that hit the budget in June in November, and then it used to carry them over from November to June, and then June back to November. Ours will obviously be January, and then in the month. [1:15:00, 1:15:13]: months of November and December, we'll see that influx. It'll then help us in the current year, but also project us into the next year, just like in the fiscal year of like Henry County, which is on a July to June. So it'll become cyclical every year. [1:15:14, 1:15:34]: And so for us that's that's uh one way of being good. The good part about it is for us being on the calendar years, obviously you start in the new year and you're able to then track throughout the year. So it'll help that that will give us the obviously the boost that we need, but also um one of the things I'm gonna show in the presentation I'll gonna give later on is [1:15:35, 1:15:40]: As I mentioned to this council, this city is fast headed towards fifty plus thousand people. [1:15:41, 1:15:43]: So you gotta keep that in mind. [1:15:43, 1:15:44]: Right. Um [1:15:44, 1:15:47]: I literally spoke to a colleague, um [1:15:47, 1:15:49]: From a town in North Carolina. [1:15:49, 1:15:53]: And in nineteen ninety they were the same size as as this city. [1:15:53, 1:16:13]: About 4,000, 3,000 people. They're now 80,000. Right? Um, but obviously, yes. So as time go along, you'll be looking at how do you adjust up or down based on what happens in the economy. Your property tax tend to be more stable of your revenues. However, I will say that you just lost. [1:16:13, 1:16:22]: Has been our loss overall throughout the state has actually been good even through COVID, because a lot of people stayed home, but they also went and they [1:16:23, 1:16:37]: spent money online and they did stuff around their houses. So they didn't stay idle for a lot of folks. And apparently that we didn't see a huge dip. But your property tax will be a strong a strong point moving the city forward. The city won't no longer operate under one primary source. [1:16:38, 1:16:50]: And so what dollar amount should we expect to hit for this particular uh number that we're expecting? So looking at it,'cause I was talking to a resident uh today, not last week. [1:16:50, 1:16:56]: Uh uh property tax will come in somewhere around the sixteenth was between the sixteenth and and Thanksgiving. [1:16:57, 1:17:17]: Um on an annual basis it usually hits your budget around it hits um my escrow and I looked even at my old house around the six the thirteenth or the sixteenth of November is when my escrow company pays in. Obviously most of our homeowners are probably still on escrow's. Um some already have paid for their home. [1:17:17, 1:17:23]: and obviously they'll bank that throughout the year and pay it. Um but that'll hit somewhere around [1:17:23, 1:17:43]: Around the year. Right. How much should we be using? So we're we're estimating overall rent all collected somewhere around six point seven. So you probably see somewhere between five and six million that'll hit us within the next week or two. Okay. From Henry County tax assessors. From the Henry County tax assessor, that money should come in uh to um to help to fund what we have. [1:17:43, 1:17:46]: we got going on with the city operations, correct? [1:17:46, 1:17:54]: Yep, and like I said, it becomes centrical. Every year you'll see that happening a on a yellow basis moving forward. Thank you. [1:17:54, 1:18:14]: I just wanna add to that discussion and then the fact that because your property tax is gonna come in right around your year in and right before it going forward, you'll be essentially at your fattest, healthiest at twelve thirty one probably, because that's when you're gonna get the bulk of your tax revenues, whereas your expenditures are, you know, flat over the [1:18:14, 1:18:20]: the year you're gonna have this big jump. So you're gonna look really healthy at twelve thirty one and you're gonna need to consider that. [1:18:20, 1:18:39]: for your initiatives for the next year. Whereas if you were like a six thirty entity, they're they're leanest at their year end because it's right before their property taxes start coming in. So that's just some context that you all will need to consider when you're looking at the audit going forward because again, you'll be your fattest from a health standpoint. [1:18:40, 1:18:41]: at your year in. [1:18:42, 1:18:52]: So basically what you're saying is today is we're looking at now today we'd be adding that six point seven million dollars to uh the fund bal the current fund balance, correct? [1:18:53, 1:19:12]: Yeah, that'll be that'll be utilized for your current fund balance and the balance off your current FY twenty three. And then it carries into the next year and and as Right, but I'm saying the number in the that's why it would be so fat because it would be that is correct. Uh but basically if it's four point six plus six point seven, it'd be over eleven million dollars. [1:19:12, 1:19:30]: But that'll be obviously that'll still be temporary. Of course it's it's being used and but that's what the number would be. So we want to compare apples to apples because that's what we've been doing uh in the past, so people can understand uh the direction that we're going in and and where we're going to. So I certainly uh do appreciate that. Thank you. [1:19:31, 1:19:43]: Yes, sir. And and as I said, it you remember, you will get that high and then throughout the year as we go, we'll rely that you pay off those those debts over that time you'll be relying on your sales tax that'll come in monthly. [1:19:44, 1:20:04]: Some property tax will come in behind that. Obviously for those folks who are not on escrow, they tend to pay a little later or throughout the year. So that'll continue to trickle in, but not at the same volume that you'll see. Okay, one one one final question. So that everybody understands, I made this this conversation has been centered around the property tax. It really is you for important for you to understand. [1:20:04, 1:20:24]: Understand, my property tax is$5,052 this year.$3,500 of that is the school board tax. So you have to understand when we're talking about what we implemented, the school board has a 23 mil tax that everybody pays until you're 62 and it kind of goes down at [1:20:24, 1:20:44]: At that time, the city implemented a millage of 3.77. I said 23 for the school board and 3.77 for uh the city. So understanding we certainly want to do everything that we can to be uh to minimize the impact to you, but the real financial impact each and every year that we're seeing [1:20:44, 1:20:53]: suffering with these increases in the property value starts with the school board, then it trickles down to the county, and then it comes uh to us. So thank you. [1:20:54, 1:20:56]: You know the comments from the council? [1:20:57, 1:21:17]: I do. Yes I'm sorry. I just wanna I wanna make sure preference to what we got. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead, please. Uh the city's miller's rate is at three point seven seven, but I think everyone needs to be that got annexed then look at your twenty twenty two and your twenty twenty-three. What the city did was you were already paying one point something miller's rate for your police. [1:21:17, 1:21:26]: that came into the city's three point seven seven. So in essence, the city only actually truly increased from a military standpoint about one point something on it. [1:21:27, 1:21:47]: Right. So fo that's something that the city citizens did not understand is that they were already paying Henry County for public safety, which was about one point nine on average home about two hundred dollars. So basically uh we didn't add the three point seven seven as the city manager said, we added about half of that uh to what what you were already [1:21:47, 1:21:54]: already paying for public safety, but you got sixty police officers uh patrolling the Stockbridge streets now. Thank you. [1:21:55, 1:21:56]: Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [1:21:56, 1:22:00]: Um, so and forgive me, I'm still just [1:22:00, 1:22:03]: Looking through the table of contents of [1:22:03, 1:22:04]: This information. [1:22:05, 1:22:06]: The engagement letter. [1:22:06, 1:22:10]: Is that something that's a part of this report? No ma'am. [1:22:10, 1:22:11]: No. [1:22:11, 1:22:16]: No ma'am. Okay, I'd like to request a copy of the engagement letter and the reason being is [1:22:16, 1:22:24]: I want to know if you all took a look at the general ledger transactions for budget amendments and any adjustments. [1:22:25, 1:22:27]: Would I be able to find that? [1:22:27, 1:22:28]: in this financial report. [1:22:29, 1:22:32]: There are budgets to actual schedules in the report, yes ma'am? [1:22:33, 1:22:39]: The schedules. Yes, ma'am. There are budget to actual schedules. So they're like there's an analysis in the report. [1:22:40, 1:22:42]: Of the budget to actual for the general fund. [1:22:43, 1:22:47]: your ARPA fund and then some of your smaller governmental funds. [1:22:47, 1:22:49]: Okay, but any of the [1:22:50, 1:22:50]: Um [1:22:51, 1:22:52]: Adjustments. [1:22:52, 1:22:54]: to any of the general ledgers. [1:22:55, 1:22:56]: Where would I find that? [1:22:56, 1:23:08]: The adjustments to the budget or the adjustments to the general ledger? To the general ledgers. Oh the aud like audit adjustments or okay. Um yeah, management has a copy of the audit adjustments. [1:23:08, 1:23:09]: Okay, I'd like a [1:23:09, 1:23:12]: I'd like to request a copy of that as well. [1:23:14, 1:23:15]: Please. [1:23:16, 1:23:18]: Is that something we need to vote on here? [1:23:18, 1:23:21]: [5001.4, 5001.8]: Yeah. [1:23:22, 1:23:24]: I was gonna answer the question, but go ahead, sir. What's on it? [1:23:24, 1:23:25]: Uh well uh [1:23:26, 1:23:28]: Mayor Pro Tem, are you finished? Because [1:23:31, 1:23:34]: You said that management has a copy. [1:23:35, 1:23:38]: Correct. Of the audit adjustments, yeah. Right. [1:23:39, 1:23:41]: I'm wondering why the council does not have that. [1:23:42, 1:23:44]: I mean that's the [1:23:44, 1:23:50]: protocol at all the governments that we go to, we provide management with a copy of the audit adjustments. [1:23:50, 1:23:53]: And then they distribute them to their governing body. [1:23:54, 1:23:57]: as requested. I don't think I've ever included audit adjustments. [1:23:58, 1:24:03]: All right. So I guess that's the question for you, Mr. Gardner. Please. [1:24:05, 1:24:08]: If if I haven't sent them I can send them tomorrow. [1:24:12, 1:24:16]: I will make sure that everybody gets a copy of one the engagement letter. [1:24:16, 1:24:20]: And also a copy of any of the um [1:24:21, 1:24:38]: Audit adjustments. But as I think the auditor said, that's typically something that happens from an operationalist well working with with finances that finance department throughout the state, school boards, whoever they work for, um that happens. But if co if counsel wishes to have a copy of that, we'll provide that. So everything that [1:24:39, 1:24:42]: Malden and Jenkins gave to management. [1:24:43, 1:24:47]: I like to see it too. We will provide whatever they give to us to you guys. Yes, ma'am Thank you. You're welcome. [1:24:49, 1:24:50]: Yes, ma'am, go ahead, please. [1:24:50, 1:25:10]: Can you explain exactly what audit adjustments are so everyone can get a a better idea? Um uh especially if we haven't done it in this way before, just kinda explain it so that everyone can understand what's going on. Sure. So management records the activities of the city in a general ledger. [1:25:10, 1:25:20]: which is essentially the books and records of your financial transactions. They present the ending numbers to us to audit. [1:25:20, 1:25:29]: If we um as a as part of our audit process, if we determine that a number needs to be corrected, we post what's called an audit adjustment. [1:25:29, 1:25:36]: And so those adjustments are provided to management and accepted as part of the finalization of the audit process. [1:25:36, 1:25:56]: So, you know, sometimes it's like, hey, we had this invoice that came in and when we're auditing, they put it in the twenty twenty-three year, which is the year in which it was paid, but it was really something that related to the twenty twenty-two year. So we were recording accounts payable at twelve thirty-one twenty-two to say, hey, the city owed this as of [1:25:56, 1:25:59]: [5159.5, 5162.3]: So that would that would be an example of an audit adjustment. [1:26:03, 1:26:04]: Thank you. Mm-hmm. [1:26:05, 1:26:07]: Any other questions from the council? [1:26:08, 1:26:19]: Thank you. This is a presentation. So otherwise um we did Mr. Gardner got a directive. I don't know if it's necessary to make a vote on that. You got a directive in reference to what we what you indicated you're gonna get to the council. [1:26:20, 1:26:20]: Uh [1:26:24, 1:26:42]: Right right, right, right. I'm just right, I just thought. Okay. So otherwise we you have to guidance on that. Uh so um so we'll move on uh to the next item'cause no need to uh have a vote on this or at this point in this aspect because there's a document obviously we'll be getting [1:26:44, 1:26:44]: Okay. [1:26:45, 1:26:49]: Consent agenda. Uh council consideration approved the use of mural matters conference [1:26:50, 1:26:57]: A center ballroom for the youth council holiday event on december sixteenth of twenty twenty three. Um [1:26:59, 1:27:05]: Miss uh Gordine, I don't know if she's here to make the it's on the consent agenda, so I don't know if any questions that the council may have on approving this. [1:27:07, 1:27:15]: We we generally you just vote on the Okay, well okay I need a motion force vote. So m so I second. Okay, from Alazar to Gantt. All favor, please indicate. [1:27:16, 1:27:17]: Thank you very much. [1:27:17, 1:27:18]: Thank you. Thank you. [1:27:19, 1:27:22]: Oh, there okay, there you are. No no problem. You're good to go. [1:27:22, 1:27:25]: I council. I had um [1:27:25, 1:27:32]: Please excuse me, I missed something a little earlier and I wanna let you know that number eighteen, item number eighteen was actually a new business item. [1:27:33, 1:27:53]: That deal with the council review of consideration for property tax, homestead exemption plan, and ordinance for 2025. Mr. Ed Wall is here for that. So before you get started, I want to make sure that you're all right with us amending the agenda to move from item uh this new business item from item 18 all the way and have this right now before we go into public. [1:27:53, 1:27:59]: hearing mayor so moved okay ms Gantt second over here ms mr Blount second that all in favor please indicate [1:28:00, 1:28:03]: Okay. Discussion. Okay, one what okay. [1:28:03, 1:28:06]: Question. Thank you, sir. Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. [1:28:07, 1:28:12]: So I'm concerned because all of these major [1:28:13, 1:28:16]: Items that are coming before the council right now. [1:28:16, 1:28:18]: including this annual [1:28:19, 1:28:19]: Audit. [1:28:20, 1:28:21]: We just got it. [1:28:22, 1:28:23]: When we started the meeting. [1:28:23, 1:28:27]: I haven't had an opportunity to review any of this, okay, including [1:28:28, 1:28:30]: Um the homestead exemptions. [1:28:30, 1:28:32]: I've been waiting for staff to send me. [1:28:33, 1:28:34]: The information. [1:28:35, 1:28:36]: I just got it. [1:28:36, 1:28:43]: Right now. Okay. And if I'm expected to vote on anything, I'm not because I haven't re reviewed anything. All right. [1:28:43, 1:29:02]: Well, we had a motion on the floor to to uh uh put this movement from eighteen to now for Mr. Wall one second, um one second we had a motion on the floor and it was uh set made and seconded, I believe from uh Ms. Gantt to Mr. Blount. All right. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. All right. And and Miss uh Barber, you either oppose or sustain one or the other. [1:29:03, 1:29:08]: I approve amending the agenda to add this item. [1:29:09, 1:29:11]: for discussion or presentation. [1:29:11, 1:29:13]: But I will not vote. [1:29:13, 1:29:26]: Okay, sir. On anything. Okay, so otherwise you're all right. It's announced decision to put this on the agenda now. Move it up on the agenda now. It's announced decision. All right, Mr. Wall, it's yours. Real quick, Matt. Go ahead, please. Um, please speak into the mic as well, sir. [1:29:26, 1:29:46]: Yes. Um Councilmember Barber is correct that yes, we just handed this out. Um as you know, we've been working on it um and tried to get it here today uh early. That's uh my fault. But you please take the presentation. You don't have to actually vote on it today. We still actually have time for you to actually get the information. Uh [1:29:46, 1:30:06]: Um was the word I'm looking for. Gather your thoughts on it, send back questions to us. We still have time in Rich to actually send this to our legislators to be put on the schedule at the General Assembly to make things happen. So our goal is to present this information to you, get some feedback. [1:30:06, 1:30:07]: Because obviously [1:30:08, 1:30:25]: Everybody's gonna have a different view of how what what they want to see in the cafeteria plan. We can then once get consensus bring this back to you guys and then have a final vote on that before the end of the fiscal year. So this is actually informational, not not for a vo not for a vote on the year. Obviously you just air is gonna present. [1:30:26, 1:30:28]: You guys divulge the information? [1:30:29, 1:30:38]: Give us some feedback and then we'll move with what we get back from from the council. All right. Thank you. Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. May I ask that this item be added to the end of the agenda? [1:30:38, 1:30:54]: We've got a room full of residents here who are obviously here for a public hearing. You agreed to that motion. Matter of fact, it's an absolute decision to move. Did you say when we would add this item? Yes, right now. Okay. I think it well then [1:30:55, 1:30:57]: I rescind my vote then. [1:30:57, 1:31:17]: I will abstain. I'd rather have added to the end of the agenda. Okay. All right. So that the people who are here for the public hearing. Mayor Prozamp, got it. No problem. Stand up. Thank you. Um I guess on the legal aspect, okay, we got we had a motion. It wasn't that she wants to rescind that, so to abstain. So it's four zero one. I imagine we can legally do that. We can change that. [1:31:17, 1:31:17]: Correct? [1:31:20, 1:31:24]: No, no, no. Well, she says she just wants to take a v she wants to sustain it because in this aspect [1:31:25, 1:31:30]: She vo originally voted to to have this attitude to j move it up. Okay, now she wants to [1:31:31, 1:31:33]: Right. [1:31:35, 1:31:36]: Supposed to second. [1:31:37, 1:31:41]: For for for her. I mean everybody else is agrees. [1:31:42, 1:31:42]: Okay. [1:31:43, 1:31:47]: Okay. Thank you, sir. What's your comment, sir? Mayor for the council. [1:31:48, 1:32:01]: The fact that this is just merely a presentation, there's no vote on this. When it was presented, it it appeared that we would entertain a vote, but the fact that we're just [1:32:01, 1:32:02]: in attaining [1:32:03, 1:32:04]: The presentation [1:32:05, 1:32:25]: I think Mayor Pro Tem is correct. We have all these folks here. I really think we should entertain the public hearing and then um entertain this presentation uh from Mr. Wall. So I rescind my vote as well. Okay, if you resent Okay, there's still three votes indicating that we wanna we wanna go. [1:32:25, 1:32:27]: Mayor Ford. Yes sir. [1:32:28, 1:32:29]: I would hope [1:32:30, 1:32:48]: That another council person would rescind as well, because let's be respectful of these folks that are here tonight for this public hearing. The fact that we're not voting on this and this is just a presentation and we just received it, just that fact alone. [1:32:48, 1:32:51]: We should have a little bit more respect for these citizens. [1:32:52, 1:32:56]: We'll we'll get we'll go get hope that at least one other council person [1:33:00, 1:33:11]: I would hope that one other council person will have the respect and the dignity to rescind that vote as well. So and a and Mr. Wall, it has nothing to do with you. [1:33:12, 1:33:23]: Um has nothing to do with you but the fact that these citizens have been here for a while. And again, we just received this. And so I just think it's just out of respect that we should we should do just that. [1:33:25, 1:33:25]: Okay. [1:33:26, 1:33:27]: Yes, sir. [1:33:28, 1:33:31]: Yeah, the the agenda says it's for um [1:33:32, 1:33:43]: review and consideration of the property tax exemption, Homestate exemption plan and ordinance. Because the part consideration mean that it it could be a voting item tonight. [1:33:43, 1:33:46]: Uh one of the things that I would hope this council would do [1:33:47, 1:34:07]: Uh, and that's in respect to all the citizens here in City of Stockbridge, is that we look at um this as a way of saying that um we have um so many citizens that came into the city of Stockbridge that are now uh that I got so many calls in the day that we call. [1:34:07, 1:34:08]: [5648.5, 5654.3]: When they came into the city of Stockbridge, they came into the city of Stockbridge opening their pocketbooks because of this. [1:34:15, 1:34:20]: And this is important for s thousands of citizens right now that's been annexed into the city. [1:34:21, 1:34:22]: So I don't I don't [1:34:23, 1:34:30]: It's not a disrespect to anyone in the audience on procedurally what we do up here. That's not a disrespect. [1:34:30, 1:34:33]: Із адес піс хі. [1:34:34, 1:34:51]: reflects thousands of citizens that need to understand that there is relief for taxes. When you have people that are on fixed income and all of these people that are sitting here uh looking at it that that are wondering what is gonna happen because we gave some people [1:34:51, 1:34:55]: That got annexed into the city a tax bill that they didn't have. [1:34:55, 1:35:08]: And that tax bill came for this year and it's gonna be on next year until it goes to a referendum. So I'm not gonna diminish the importance of this because we're we're saying move ahead and it's not a disrespect to anybody that's here. [1:35:09, 1:35:17]: It's simply saying that this is a new agenda item, and the process have always been to deal with new business in the form that it comes in. [1:35:18, 1:35:35]: I I I wish that we wouldn't use words like we're disrespecting anybody. Everything on this agenda is a part is important. It may not be as important to the ones that are here as it is for the thousands that's been an annexed into the city, but everything we do is important. And it's not a disrespect. Mayor Ford. [1:35:35, 1:35:46]: Yeah. Well hold on, stand by a second, stand by. We could be through talking about this by now. Oh I'm sorry, sir. We could be finished talking about it instead of talking about it. Right. Okay, stand by, stand by. Yes, Mr. Mr [1:35:46, 1:35:48]: The disrespect is [1:35:49, 1:35:51]: To leapfrog [1:35:51, 1:35:54]: An agenda item says new business eighteen. [1:35:55, 1:35:57]: To leapfrog over [1:35:58, 1:35:59]: The public hearing. [1:36:00, 1:36:15]: Which was scheduled and we voted on earlier today to deal with it. That's that's my only concern. I'm not saying not entertain agenda item eighteen, but to leapfrog agenda item eighteen over. [1:36:17, 1:36:25]: The public hearing. That that that is my criticism of this process. All right. All right. So well, okay. So if we got two individuals, stand by Mr. Walt. [1:36:25, 1:36:37]: Two individuals say they want to rescind it. Okay, so otherwise what I understand from the attorney, we would have to do another motion, uh if I understand this right, to re instead reconsider this once again. Is that correct, sir? [1:36:41, 1:36:52]: Okay. So I need a motion to reconsider whether or not we are we would what's over this one has to be res reset do we have to do a motion to resend this all initially or just to just to say a motion to reconsider? [1:36:55, 1:37:05]: from the table then the chair will do a motion that we consider or if there are going to be enough votes to where the members would want to ascend their votes and they can do that and then [1:37:07, 1:37:19]: Okay, how about a motion to reconsider it uh whether or not we've taken item number eighteen and move it up and talk about it right now or not? Is there is there a motion to if I can do this is this proper motion is there a motion to do that now? Mayor forward. [1:37:19, 1:37:20]: I move. [1:37:21, 1:37:22]: That [1:37:22, 1:37:25]: Agenda item eighteen. [1:37:25, 1:37:26]: remain [1:37:27, 1:37:41]: in its current location for discussion. Okay, Mr. Blount, second that. As long as we talk about it. Okay, second. From Mr. Thomas to Mr. Blount. All right, all in favor of that motion. [1:37:41, 1:37:46]: Is I'm sorry. I'll put it looking at its current location. [1:37:46, 1:37:49]: Back to the current location, which is linear number eighteen, which is at the very end. [1:37:50, 1:37:55]: The motion was to move the to to take item number put no item number eighteen back to eighteen and not do it now. [1:37:57, 1:37:58]: Does that understand that correct? [1:37:59, 1:38:00]: That is correct. Okay. [1:38:00, 1:38:06]: So on f do you you clear on that, sir? Yes. Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [1:38:06, 1:38:18]: Oh announced decision. Is that announced decision? Okay. Sorry, Miss Wall, you gotta wait, sir. All right. Now on that note we do have a public hearing. All right. Now public hearing and so let me go through this. [1:38:19, 1:38:35]: Right now. Public hearing rules. Please mute all cell phones and electronic vices. If anyone wishes to speak tonight on a public hearing item, please fill out the form available on the table and hand it to the uh city clerk before approaching the podium. After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff. [1:38:36, 1:38:41]: followed by the applicant and the representatives regarding proposed plans for property along [1:38:41, 1:38:54]: with any other relevant information. The counsel will be free to ask questions any time before the vote. Following the applicant following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor or opposed to the case will have the opportunity to do so. [1:38:54, 1:39:10]: Each side will be allotted ten minutes total. Additional time may be extended by discretion of the counsel. Please keep comments and presentation professional, referring only to the facts that are pertinent to the case. We will not allow comments or personal attacks toward any individual group. [1:39:10, 1:39:30]: Please refrain from any applause or comments from the audience during the public hearing. After the presiding officer recognizes the speaker, he or she shall direct all comments to the presiding officer in this case that is me. And never to members of the Council, staff, or the audience. All comments will be made from the podium, where you will be required to state your name and address for the record. [1:39:30, 1:39:50]: Please note that these hearings are not debateable, not a debate. Failure to comply will cause you to be removed from the chamber and the building by law enforcement if you deviate from the proceedings, from these proceedings. Other than the applicant, no person may speak more than once. The applicant may reserve part of part or his. [1:39:50, 1:40:10]: His her speaking time as a rebuttal and may speak next and and last and may use the entire 10 minutes allowed for a pro side of the application. If questions are raised, the council may ask the applicant to address questions and and andor concerns. The presiding officer will call for the motion, the second of as a second of the motion. [1:40:10, 1:40:18]: Any necessary discussion. If the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for the vote to recommend approval and denial of the request. [1:40:19, 1:40:39]: Yes, sir. Certainly there's a policy of ten four and ten against. Right, there is. There is. There it is. But we've we've adjusted you know we as a council, we have adjusted those. I understand that the policy is ten four and ten against. That's correct. So what what process are we following? Are we following the procedure which is the first one? Yeah, we're gonna follow that. [1:40:39, 1:40:46]: We'll follow that procedure initially and then if it comes to the point we need more time, I'm going to ask you all whether or not you want to grant more time or not. Thank you. All right. [1:40:47, 1:41:06]: All right, public hearing 2024 DAD to 2028 of the City of Starbury Short Term Work Program and Capital Improvement Element. Council consideration of the adoption of the twenty twenty-four to twenty twenty-eight city starbury short-term work program and capital improvement element, STWP slash CIE, presented by Mr. Ryan, please sir. [1:41:07, 1:41:10]: Okay, this is our presentation on our [1:41:10, 1:41:30]: 2024 to 2028 short-term work program and capital improvement projects. Most of the projects come from the community development department and the public works department and also economic development. We have several different categories. We have several projects on the community facilities, totaling 29% [1:41:30, 1:41:34]: nine million one hundred and seventy nine thousand nine hundred dollars. [1:41:36, 1:41:39]: We have uh several projects on the economic development. [1:41:40, 1:41:42]: Toting two hundred and twenty thousand. [1:41:43, 1:41:49]: And we have several um projects under land use totaling one point five million dollars. [1:41:51, 1:41:58]: And also there are projects on the transportation totaling fifteen million six hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars. [1:42:00, 1:42:15]: And uh hit this page right here is the update on our short-term work program uh from last year and programs in the past. And you can see that these projects have been completed. There are 13 completed projects totaling forty-five million dollars, well over 45 million dollars. [1:42:19, 1:42:27]: And on this page is our capital expenditures project summary. Most of these projects right here stem from public works and parks and rec. [1:42:29, 1:42:45]: They're totaling um eleven million dollars. And the funding type um mostly come from Splosh and Future Splosh. And um some of it even come from the general, a portion of it even come from the general fund and um CIP bonds. [1:42:53, 1:43:13]: So this is our public facility type, um, our wastewater programs. And we we had um collected five hundred and eight eight thousand five hundred and eight thousand dollars in impact fees from um, I mean from our impact fee fund balance carries over from the past year for five hundred and eight thousand. Uh last year we collected [1:43:13, 1:43:16]: [6197.4, 6202.6]: And our total impact fee fund balance is six hundred and thirty six thousand eight hundred and eighty seven dollars. [1:43:23, 1:43:23]: Um [1:43:24, 1:43:26]: Now we're ready for our public comments. [1:43:27, 1:43:29]: First of all before public comments though, first is that [1:43:30, 1:43:32]: Council, you have any questions for Mr. Anderson here? [1:43:34, 1:43:54]: Go go write it, please. Certainly I think folks should understand that what we're doing, the projects like the amphitheater, the improvements, downtown traffic, all of that is a part of our our plan. It's not just happenstance that we work on these things. And certainly I think what I heard a lot of is uh some concern is what some [1:43:54, 1:44:14]: Or what are y'all doing for the youth? What are you doing for the youth? I heard that so many times and I certainly want to ensure the public that we're doing that and that is a part of our plan. And one of the things that we're talking about is the Senior and Youth Recreation Center that has been on the council's list for us to move forward with uh to do something. [1:44:14, 1:44:25]: with so certainly I just want to assure the public that we certainly intend on providing youth activities and at the center of that would be uh the recreation center. [1:44:27, 1:44:29]: Any comments from the council? [1:44:29, 1:44:37]: Certainly I want them to be able to indicate or to show that on the program. This one that should be on one of the capital projects on there. [1:44:38, 1:44:39]: Mm-hmm. [1:44:39, 1:44:44]: Okay, if the Northern Congress of the Council now opened it, and the community facilities [1:44:44, 1:45:04]: Right, from community facilities. And certainly I think the public should understand that we went and we visited with Congressman Scott uh at at National League of Cities uh with a and uh we talked about a sum of eighteen million dollars that uh he would try to secure for us in the federal budget to be able to uh [1:45:04, 1:45:24]: Actually move forward with this facility because it's going to take a great deal of funding. And while all of you all are sitting there, SPLOS 6 is coming up next year. The facility that we had designed by TSW will be about$30 million. The facility includes an indoor pool. [1:45:24, 1:45:44]: Includes a walking track, a cafeteria. It is reminiscent of Welcome All Park. So if we're able to sustain that$18 million in funding, federal funding, then the council here will have to put the rest of the remainder on splotch number six, and you all will get to vote. You vote if you vote yes. [1:45:44, 1:46:04]: Then that additional funding that we need to build the recreation facility will be approved. If you vote no, then the recreational facility will not. Many of y'all ask, well, where you know where do what do you all get to participate in the process? So if we're able to land that$18 million in funding for the Youth and Senior Center, then you will be given the opportunity to [1:46:04, 1:46:21]: to pro to approve the rest of the funding as we've heard out in the public about the Youth and Senior Recreation Center. So we seri we're serious about moving forward with this project and I certainly will be advocating for that additional funding to be included in splotch number six. [1:46:24, 1:46:26]: All right, any comments from the council? [1:46:27, 1:46:30]: If not, then open up for a public uh public hearing. So [1:46:31, 1:46:41]: If they're I'll start on my my left. My left. Anybody over here any comments uh for or approve uh this particular um um short term work program? [1:46:42, 1:46:43]: Four [1:46:43, 1:46:46]: In the middle. Anyone wanna speak for this? [1:46:48, 1:46:55]: My far right. Anybody want to speak for? Okay, back over here. Anybody want to speak against this process on the my far left? Anybody want to speak at all? [1:46:56, 1:46:57]: Anybody in the middle? [1:46:58, 1:47:05]: Anybody on the right side, my right side. All right, so on that note, this piece of this part of this uh public hearing is closed on this particular item. [1:47:06, 1:47:13]: And so if that is the case, then council I need a motion to I second. From Alexander to uh Gantt. All favor please indicate. [1:47:14, 1:47:34]: All right. And uh okay, we've got four. Mr. Uh Thomas was now present. Okay. Uh next we'll continue on with the zoning modification case uh ZM 2023-01. This is uh council district five, council consideration and request for a zoning modification. [1:47:34, 1:47:37]: [6457.6, 6477.6]: To allow for multifamily residential development in pod A and to allow senior family residential in pod B, identified by parcel number zero five three-01018000. The property has a is 14.634, excuse me, 14.63. [1:47:57, 1:48:17]: Acres and is assessed via Chin Parkway and Argento Drive, landlots 77, 78, and 83 of District 6. Application by Michelle Y Swane, member of applicant of Southern Consulting Services Incorporated, which is owner. Staff recommendations are [1:48:17, 1:48:37]: approved and the planning commission recommendation is approval. Applicant uh requested a deferral to the November course, November 13th, 2023 council meeting, which is the night. And says presented by, well, Mr. Ryan, I guess you have it. And thank you, sir. Yes, sir. Okay. This is um is simply um a request from the owners of the uh bridges adjournment. [1:48:37, 1:48:40]: [6520.4, 6527.4]: revised their conceptual site plan. Their plan was never meant to be a permanent site plan. It all it was always meant to be fluid. [1:48:47, 1:48:59]: So basically they're coming in to m to move some development around from one pod to another and also to change um a residential use, single family residential use to a multifamily in um pod A. [1:49:00, 1:49:08]: Here's the site from area photo before it was developed. Here's the zoning map of the area. [1:49:13, 1:49:23]: Here's the location of the proposed multifamily uh residential development. It'll be called Thompson Thrift. Here's the uh original Bridge of the Jodico site plan. [1:49:28, 1:49:48]: Here's another rendition of the uh concept plan. And uh these are the parts. The uh site plan has been divided into uh like seven or eight different parts, numbered A through G. And the activity will take place in part A. Uh, here's the new site plan that was issued. [1:49:48, 1:50:08]: Um last month, well, two months ago. One thing about this plan, it does not increase the density, it does not increase the number of units. It all stays within the approved DRI approval back in three years ago. So everything's basically says the [1:50:08, 1:50:28]: stays the same. While um there is a need for increased density out at the um Bridges of Jodico site so that they can attract um more high-end um developments, high-end restaurants and things of that nature. Um staff feels like this is a good idea to um and also [1:50:28, 1:50:48]: Also because the market changes, staff feels like this is a good idea to uh allow them to replace the um the the single family detached residential with multifamily and also to the to build uh senior housing out on the site. Uh the applicant is here um to answer any additional questions, but this is just a simple um [1:50:48, 1:50:57]: Revamping of the conceptual site plan. Like I mentioned earlier, the plan was never meant to be permanent. It always was expected to change. It was always meant to be fluid. [1:50:58, 1:51:18]: Sir. All right. Thank you, Mr. Ryan. Okay. Mr. Alexander, go ahead, please. So certainly as District Five uh representative, so what you're saying is that the zoning board has voted for approval. Yes and the staff recommendation is approval. And um this fits in is in keeping with where we're trying to go with a quality mixture. [1:51:18, 1:51:38]: use development uh and at the Jodico project and actually uh what it probably would do is it will offer us some additional opportunities to be able to control some control the use at that particular pod and for us to be able to and the applicant will be making a [1:51:38, 1:51:49]: presentation on their particular uh on their particular um pod with renderings and what have you of the uh of the proposed change, correct? [1:51:49, 1:52:09]: Yes, sir. They will. Mm-hmm. Okay. Thank you. All right. Any other qu yes, sir. Quick, please. Yeah, when this project initially came to us, we had different elements in this project. And over time that even this council that was here at the time when it first came, we initially came, we saw that modif modifications were needed for this project. [1:52:09, 1:52:29]: project in order because you want not only attract businesses but you want to attract the uh the you know you want to attract everybody. You talked about the uh senior piece and you talk about the the piece where the uh uh mixed use piece where you're gonna have the younger people who wanna come and you know you know stay we we're trying to keep people in the [1:52:29, 1:52:40]: city of Stockbridge area. And so that that helps to generate that. So uh I'm for this modification and however we need to move forward with it. All right. Thank you. [1:52:40, 1:52:41]: Yeah, questions for the council. [1:52:44, 1:52:52]: Did the advocate need to say anything at all? Jeff, you want to. Okay. [1:52:56, 1:52:57]: Thank you, Mr. Allison. [1:52:58, 1:53:18]: Mr. Grant, welcome once again, sir. Welcome, Mr. Mayor. Thank you so much, Mr. Mayor and the City Council. And and actually you're you're exactly correct. We're not asking for anything other than just a modification to shift the different proponents around on the site that has been deemed more appropriate for the uses. We're not asking for any more density, we're not asking for anything any more than what we're doing. [1:53:18, 1:53:27]: was already approved. It's just shifting around the sites. We we think it better fits what we're trying to do. It gives a better quality. It fits better. [1:53:27, 1:53:30]: Uh and I think it actually flows better. And so um [1:53:31, 1:53:36]: with this th the the importance of a project this of this size and in substance [1:53:37, 1:53:57]: It's always good to have a council that that works with you because when I come to you guys and you understand what we're trying to do, you come out on site and that's the best thing we can do. You guys have been great to work with. And and I tell you, I think everybody's gonna be proud when we get through with it. And um also for anybody that's here that uh Costco's will be opening this Thursday. [1:53:57, 1:54:17]: Thursday, Thursday morning. So we'll have a groundbreaking this Thursday morning. So hopefully everybody can come. But that's basically it, um, uh Mr. Mayor. That's and I certainly appreciate it. No problem. Sir Stand by Mr. Grant. Got questions for you? Yes. Go ahead, Mr. Alzheimer. Thank you for coming out tonight, Mr. Grant. [1:54:17, 1:54:37]: Appreciate our ongoing dialogue about what's been going on and and the project is just turning out to be phenomenal. Thank you. And I want to thank you for your patience because as you we've discussed many a time, you could have filled up that development five times over. Oh, yeah. But you turned down many options that we just we wanted to make it a a [1:54:37, 1:54:57]: area of distinction. You wanted to make it a area where it was just it was different. It wasn't what we already had. And uh that it was uh it would it the my desire and as I spoken to you was to be an area of distinction, that it would be our area uh where folks would go to for entertainment, that they would go to [1:54:57, 1:55:17]: uh to enjoy themselves and they would be very walkable. We got all of those components in this particular development that we wanted. You may you talk to the uh zoning advisory board about the the upcoming tenants and I think many of the people in this room may not may or may not know uh w who uh who all is coming. [1:55:17, 1:55:37]: So maybe it would be great if you could tell the audience here, give that same presentation about some of the tenants that are coming that you've confirmed up. Yes, I'd be more than proud to. On the commercial side, of course, we've got the uh uh you've got your new Chick-fil-A. Now this is a it's gonna be the first one actually in the country that there [1:55:37, 1:55:46]: it it's the first and they're gonna have the first prototype that's coming in. Uh of course you got your Starbucks, your Chipotle, you'll have the first Whataburger we'll have here in the Countywood coming in. [1:55:47, 1:56:07]: Um we got uh a salad to go on the restaurant sides we're gonna have uh the ones we've got committed right now are are first watch. Uh if you've never been to a first watch, it's more of a breakfast brunch type uh restaurant. Uh Bahama Breeze uh is coming in. Uh we look to have the uh uh uh [1:56:07, 1:56:22]: probably our our project Inc. with Carabas here very shortly. They've shown a very strong interest. We're wanting to fit them in on the upper corner. Um we've got several other restaurants coming that we're talking to right now. We've got um [1:56:22, 1:56:42]: Uh probably the the one that we're gonna be that we're hoping is gonna be kind of our prized possession here is gonna be it's it's more of a condo hotel. It's um uh it one of my clients build these worldwide. They're they're it's basically the first, it'll be the first multi-story building you'll see probably on the south side. Yeah, his his are basically two. [1:56:42, 1:56:56]: 12 stories. The bottom four floors are your hotel. The um fifth through the tenth floor are fee simple condos. And everybody for the longest time has always said, well, Henry County's not ready for something of this substance or this style because it's too expensive. [1:56:57, 1:56:58]: Well, I'm I'm here to tell you. [1:56:59, 1:57:19]: That out of the 60 condo units we're gonna have, the starting price for the two-bedroom condos are$750. The end units start at a million dollars. They go up, the three bedrooms go up$50,000 per floor. The two bedrooms go up$25,000 per floor. Now from the fifth floor up, you can see Stone Mountain. From the sixth floor up, [1:57:19, 1:57:37]: you can actually see the skyline of Atlanta. From the seventh floor up, you can actually see Truist Park. So to give you an idea of how well these are sold out, our client that plans on building this, he's already pre-sold the first 30. Of those 60 are pre-sold. [1:57:37, 1:57:44]: He's allowing us to sell the 30 that we want off. Of those 30, 16 of those are so. There's only 14 left to sell. [1:57:45, 1:57:57]: they ha the price average on those will probably average over a million dollars apiece when we get through. So for people to say that the South Side doesn't attract the the um [1:57:58, 1:58:18]: The restaurants and what have you that that this just not here. That's just not the case anymore. The South Side has come back alive. The people here really are wanting this. And what we're finding out by being patient, we're getting restaurants here that we've never had before. And so we've got a couple of restaurant sites that we're holding. On top of this, there will be a rooftop bar and a rooftop restaurant. [1:58:18, 1:58:38]: It's gonna be a name brand steakhouse that you will recognize that you more see in Atlanta that that has agreed to come. And then once we get that done, I can announce that. But you've got a couple other restaurants I think that will be very unique that you see in Atlanta that you normally don't see on the south side anywhere. [1:58:38, 1:58:57]: yet that we are and have been very very patient and and you are correct, Mr. Alexander. We could have sold the Jodeco out two and three times over, but we we there were and don't get me wrong, the vendors that came to us that we've turned out are very good vendors, very strong vendors, but it's ones we always have seen. [1:58:57, 1:59:17]: And so we're trying to track something that that's a little bit different than what we've seen before. And so um we're proud of it. I I I think by being the patients and having the uh efforts with you guys working with us hand in hand, this is what it takes. And so uh this is something that you know most people don't realize. I've lived here in this county all my life. [1:59:17, 1:59:37]: Life. Matter of fact, my my grandmother's house, we live right here where the city City Hall exists, is where I lived all my life. And so my wife and I moved out to Lake O'Coney. My office is still here in McDonald's, so I'm here every day. But being here, my family has been in this county since the government gave land grants. [1:59:37, 1:59:43]: indeed signed is by sight signed by John Quincy Adams. That's all of my family's been here in this county. [1:59:43, 2:00:03]: Now, people say, well, you're developing this thing, you're making money. Well, I would hope we we do make something on it, but we've put a lot of time and effort and years into it. But it's not just that. We we own in this county about 4,000 acres. And I'm here to tell you that out of the 4,000 acres that we own, we have set aside almost 2,000. [2:00:03, 2:00:21]: thousand acres they had previous zonings that everybody in this room would have hated. They would have brought more traffic. They were bad designs. They were, they were, the density that they gave were just unbelievable. All those tracks have been set aside in perpetuity, will never be developed. [2:00:21, 2:00:29]: And these tracts are gonna be we we have posted them with the Southern Conservation Trust and other trusts, but we're gonna be opening these up to the public. [2:00:29, 2:00:33]: And so this is two thousand acres scattered around this county. [2:00:34, 2:00:38]: That probably eliminated eleven thousand houses from being built. [2:00:40, 2:00:49]: Then I and I'm just wanna tell you so when you see me standing up here, there's a little bit more pride in just this project. I wanna see this county do well. I've raised here all my life and I love this county. [2:00:50, 2:01:10]: Thank you thank you sir. Well I appreciate that because I met you down at Chris Tucker's golf tournament absolut with em with uh Emmanuel Lewis. Webster, you guys have bought conservation land all over the place. That's where I met you at. So certainly and then I think we talked about Sprouts Argent on the farmers market. I'm sorry, that's one of the main ones. I don't know anything, but yeah, Sprouts is also coming in. [2:01:10, 2:01:25]: And we're actually with their y'all just got them permitted. I think we're gonna be breaking ground on sprouts. Probably in the next thirty days, we'll be breaking ground with sprouts. They are coming in. All right. Well I thank you. I appreciate that. Thanks. Thanks, sir. Thank you, Ms. Grant. Appreciate that. Yes, sir. [2:01:26, 2:01:46]: It's gonna be wonderful living in Stockbridge. I'm gonna live in my same home though. I'm not moving. Yeah, sidebar joke here, I guess. All right. All right. All right. So I'll start on my very left. Any uh comments uh for necessary uh in reference to uh this particular zoning. [2:01:46, 2:01:48]: Uh [2:01:49, 2:01:50]: Anything in the middle? [2:01:51, 2:01:52]: In my far right. [2:01:53, 2:01:54]: Four. Okay, anything against. [2:01:55, 2:01:56]: Once again my far left. [2:01:58, 2:01:58]: In the middle. [2:01:59, 2:02:19]: All right. Seeing none, I'll close this particular hearing. Council need a motion to accept this zoning modification. Mayor, I'll make a motion for for approval as the applicant has requested. Okay. I second. Okay, from Alexander Miss Gann. All in favor, please indicate. Okay, unanimously. Thank you very much, Council. Okay. [2:02:19, 2:02:35]: Comprehensive Plan Amendment KCP 2020 2023-02 Council District 4. Council consideration of a request for a comprehensive plan amendment to assign the future land use designation of high density res uh residential. [2:02:35, 2:02:55]: to property at fifty five Ballyhill Road to allow for construction of a town home development. The applicant is D.R. Horton Incorporated, represented by Tiffany Hogan. The property represents parcel number S 16-01006000, located in land lot sixty-nine of District 12, and it contains [2:02:55, 2:02:58]: four point nine six acres within the Stockbridge City limits. [2:02:58, 2:03:11]: Staff recommendation is approval and a planning commission recommendation is denial. Application applicant requested a deferral to the November thirteenth, which is tonight, twenty twenty three. Council meet once again, Mr. Anderson, please. [2:03:11, 2:03:30]: Good evening. Good evening. Um the the parcels the parcel in the property in question consists of twenty four point nine six acres. Currently the the property is is developed with two warehouse build buildings. The current land use designation is light industrial, meaning um a warehouse can go there right now. [2:03:33, 2:03:45]: Here's uh aerial photo of the of the property. The subject property is right here and um there is a recent development underway right here, the Diamante Townhomes. [2:03:48, 2:03:55]: Here's another uh photo of the property. You got an office right there, you got a warehouse right there, and you have an existing shed on the property. [2:03:58, 2:04:10]: From a site visit staff took pictures and this is the existing site right now. Got a lot of the lap I mean old wood and logs on the site. They got a old office building and a old warehouse. [2:04:11, 2:04:15]: Uh the current um [2:04:15, 2:04:29]: Future land use map designate the property as light industrial. However, the future land use map is incompatible with the requested zoning MFR, and that is the reason what triggered the need for a comprehensive plan amendment. [2:04:31, 2:04:33]: Future land use map right here. [2:04:35, 2:04:47]: You can see that the industrial um site is kind of uh not in is is is kind of becoming um outdated because there's not much um light industrial in the area. [2:04:48, 2:04:59]: Right now, the changing conditions of the community. Here's the zoning map. You got light industrial right here and light industrial right there. But most of the other properties or surrounding properties are residential. [2:05:01, 2:05:21]: Um to the north of the property you got um vacant land. It's low density residential and low vertical mixed use residential. To the south you got single family residential, and you have Clark Park and Gardner Park, and the land use is medium density residential and park recreation conservation. To the east of the property, you got the Clark Park, you got public shopping center. [2:05:21, 2:05:23]: Yeah. [2:05:23, 2:05:43]: And um the land use is park and recreation conservation and low density vertical mixed use and low density residential. And to the west of the property, you got the big oak villas, the woodland ridge, and the north stock bridge development. And you have high density residential, medium density residential, and medium density residential. [2:05:45, 2:05:58]: Here's uh a map with all the surrounding land use densities. I don't know if you can if you can see that good, but it lists all the surrounding densities. And the property is compatible with the surrounding land use. [2:05:59, 2:06:06]: As a result, staff recommends approval of the project due to the compatibility with the surrounding community. [2:06:09, 2:06:29]: Here's a copy of the um of the site plan, but we'll discuss that in addition. I mean in more detail during the rezoning case, but here's a a s uh a site, I mean uh a picture of the site plan. However, there there's been some last-minute changes uh that the applicant will explain when she comes up. Um [2:06:29, 2:06:42]: The number of proposed units has been drastically reduced and uh some other changes have been made to this site plan. And we just got that in today around four o'clock, and we didn't have a chance to incorporate that into our staff report. [2:06:43, 2:06:50]: So once again, the the proposal is consistent with the comprehensive plan and staff recommends approved. And the applicant is here. [2:06:52, 2:07:08]: All right, thank you, Mr. Anderson. Okay. Mr. Blount, you had a question already? You said that uh th the site uh without the whether we do this amendment or not is already. Run all night, a day, and J Brakes run with the night. [2:07:09, 2:07:29]: So I chose to put the winding subdivision there and wine creek town home. So it's not in isolation what you're trying to do. But what you need to understand is these situations are real. It just happened. Just happened in that 500,000 square foot warehouse is under construction right now. And this property right now, it's wild. And if the zoning is not changed to a residential use or some other use, it will only [2:07:29, 2:07:49]: Anytime we get an opportunity, this is on, we can't just arbitrarily change somebody because we did lose the value of their property. What we have to do is when a developer comes forward to us, and that developer says to us, uh, we will change, we would like to change the arms to residential. And they did so literally, because that wouldn't be the property. When they changed the designation, they authorized us to change the designation to a design. [2:07:49, 2:08:09]: I'm saying to you right now, I would have done anything if it would have been given us the option to say, we'll take it over this 500,000 square foot warehouse, all of these trucks went in and I do co road. We didn't have the option. You do. Listen to the presentation, listen, final decision I've made. But that's something that I did not know coming in here, understanding what's gonna happen, a particular situation was [2:08:09, 2:08:29]: Now secondarily to this, we do understand that uh the uh way forty two widening has that by G Dot and that the the contractor has the right to start with widened the way forty two from the Walmart under Lark to four lanes or for Walmart two at I sixty five. It will also add a ten foot multipath. [2:08:28, 2:08:48]: Down that entire sector. We add additional traffic improvements along this sector as well. So that should be taken into note. And certainly this is a perfect opportunity, as I mentioned to you earlier, that y'all take into consideration. Splosh 6 is coming up. And T-Splos number 2 is coming up. So as you guys seem very organized and you very well out and you want to be heard. [2:08:48, 2:09:08]: should do and all of us just to make sure that we have a transportation project for Valley Hill Road on fly six and on T splash number two. Make sure that these uh projects are moving forward. As a matter of fact, guns have already begun with Commissioner Neat Robinson about what we can do because she lives right down the street in Pine Grove in order to get these improvements done. This area is living with [2:09:08, 2:09:20]: just answer into the city. It's amazing how we hear from various presidents on flipping road along various areas in the city that we want these roads right now. Well you know when the can when you when those roads were in Caleb Valley Hill and Flippin' Road. [2:09:20, 2:09:40]: County should have widened your own, should have paid three. They did not do that. They have a two hundred million dollar budget here. Our budget is about twenty six million dollars. Ninety percent of funding for tax money goes to the county. But in it's like you got a lot of credit requests from residents saying, We need to fix that road now, we need to fix that road now. But for thirty years or whatever, we're till getting time. [2:09:40, 2:09:44]: road was already in the county, those improvements should have been made. [2:09:44, 2:09:58]: Other considerations that you have to understand when you vote who did not put any money into these roads. Why didn't why why somebody put some money in Valley Hill Road when it's accounting for all of those years? Why wasn't it paid? Why is it in the content that it is in right now? Why? [2:09:58, 2:10:18]: Understanding that you as a citizen have to elect people that are going to vote to put your interest to make sure that those those are to make sure the improvements are done. Understanding that you should not understand the decisions that they weigh heavy on us. Because the last thing that we want to see is 500 square foot rap warehouse right down the street from you. And you complain about the traffic. [2:10:18, 2:10:23]: But man trucks coming too late will be a disaster for you. Thank you. [2:10:24, 2:10:37]: Um I wanna council exercise on that and I just want everyone to think uh uh particularly uh from our viewers on a lot of issues. As of today, if someone came here and said and they wouldn't come here, they don't have to, they have a right right now to doorhouse. [2:10:38, 2:10:39]: Right now. [2:10:40, 2:10:47]: And we could argue stuff in the warehouse. We don't want this. We don't want this trust. There's nothing we can do because it's right now zone. [2:10:47, 2:10:49]: Right in street. [2:10:49, 2:10:55]: Right now. So understand they don't come in here to ask us permission to build that word because it's already [2:10:55, 2:10:57]: We can fight it, but we're g soon we'll lose. [2:10:58, 2:11:07]: So do we it's very rare that we get opportunity to prove that must develop something that's not a commercial or credential piece. Very rare and when we get it. [2:11:07, 2:11:10]: Let's do grab it and take a hold of that opportunity. [2:11:10, 2:11:14]: Because that prevents us from having a light industrial. We can't change it otherwise. [2:11:15, 2:11:35]: So just want you to kinda think that um all the times we get those questions. We you know, someone will say, You m you and the art complex here, you did we don't we didn't do anything. We don't have a right to change it a specific time to do so. So just you guys and that. Thanks for me. Yeah, comments from the council. Real quick um if you don't see a warehouse that g because a lot of these developers it's owned. [2:11:35, 2:11:55]: They see opportunity. They're gonna build even when someone's about to go into warehouses. If you go out on the if you go out uh boulevards 42, there's a warehouse on the right. It's unoccupied because these little these develop these people building these warehouses and now they're looking for occupants. And I take your head, sir. [2:11:55, 2:12:00]: So I'm gonna come in and get pop, go to Wales, and then wait my own com and then there's nothing the council can do. [2:12:00, 2:12:02]: Ms. Bobway, please. [2:12:03, 2:12:06]: Thank you, sir. Um this is City Council District for the district. [2:12:07, 2:12:07]: I did. [2:12:07, 2:12:25]: an opportunity to address. I do want to still have the presentation presentation presented by the developer so that those owners live in close proximity have an opportunity to see it. I have conducted two community outhauls to discuss this very proposal. The reason being is this is what my councilmates decided. [2:12:25, 2:12:29]: The profit is already zoned for light industrial. I'm concerned about a wheelfinger. [2:12:30, 2:12:32]: Prudential would probably be the best option. [2:12:32, 2:12:37]: I support high density, but nice, I'd like to move forward so that a presentation can be presented. [2:12:37, 2:12:39]: And we can hear from home. [2:12:40, 2:12:45]: And to share some of the concerns um that came of community from that I did. [2:12:46, 2:12:48]: Is that it'd be in the record? [2:12:48, 2:12:56]: Mr. Thomas, you're only when I spoke. Anything you need to say, sir? No. No problem. Okay, uh Ms. Tiffany, here. Wanna come forward, ma'am? [2:13:03, 2:13:06]: Good evening, Mary. How does someone double protect up? True. [2:13:33, 2:13:53]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name is Tiffany Hogan. I'm the Vice President for Planning for DR Port Nana Easton. I have with me this evening also Mr. Smith, who is a traffic engineer technical and actually prepared the traffic study at Traffic Count and at the traffic impact study for that. We were nervous regarding the traffic, so I did want to come here this evening. I will quickly remind my presentation so that at least some time clay as well. [2:13:55, 2:14:15]: This evening we do have the replica that we filed, a comprehensive plan amendment says current is light industrial, uh, and we are proposing that with high density residential. Then we also uh will have a rezoning application because it is currently light industrial, and we are seeking to rezone multifamily residential and develop our homes. And then we finally have a variance your code required. [2:14:15, 2:14:22]: A 50 foot back, we are seeking a variance to 25 feet for that. Uh we will deal with the comprehensive land plan first. [2:14:22, 2:14:40]: Here's the site again. Staff pointed that out in a great way to you just looked off of Atlanta Road. One of the things that we're really excited about this project in Philadelphia, uh planned for a beautiful presentation because it is located right off Atlanta Road, which is becoming one of the main entries to your city. So we want to have a project there that everyone can be proud of as they're traveling uh get to your new theater. [2:14:41, 2:14:41]: Mm. [2:14:41, 2:15:01]: Fifty five value uh is twenty four point nine acres as staff as stated. We are seeking now we have reduced count to one hundred and fifty six town units on the site, which is just over six units per acre. One of the things to make out of our request uh for high density residential for the prehensive plan is that your high density and your code actually starts just uh threes per acre. That's actually below [2:15:01, 2:15:13]: steel to be considered IC residential. So as everyone is considering that, I just want to make sure keeping in mind uh their code is a little bit lower than other jurisdictions in the metro area. And six years per acre is actually per low for town home development. [2:15:15, 2:15:21]: And here the full stater. There are two points located here. I just want to point those out now. Uh [2:15:22, 2:15:42]: The Valley Hill Road to Home Development Comprehensive Plan, Community Goals and Policy. It provides to make sure to attract young professionals, singles, and small families, maintains a family-family environment of protecting and retaining young people. It creates a sense of peace for community along our commercial corridors, and it identifies opportunities to create new trail connections between the existing parts, central areas, and the downtown. [2:15:42, 2:16:02]: Welling to point out those connections, we will be putting ten foot sidewalks on the exterior of the property. There will be eight foot sidewalks internal on both sides of the street for connectivity throughout. One of those changes that staff mentioned to you was there actually used to be a cul deck at that top part of the site north side up by Valley Hill. We have now connected that. Some times that we received at the community hearing. [2:16:02, 2:16:17]: and Barber mentioned early feedback we received in the community actually limited that back, made it a full loop instead for continuity of vehicle traffic as well as pedestrian traffic with those two units. That also gave us the opportunity to add an space in that top area and so additional parking spaces. [2:16:20, 2:16:40]: And again, here is the subject property. The light industrial the blue has just been surrounded by other residential residential pieces now as time. You do have because McSanna across the street there, uh of course is a non-residential use, but pretty much everything else in the area is a residential use. Under the current mid light industrial uses, by right, these are some of the things that would be allowed. Of course, the biggest is the whole system. [2:16:40, 2:16:44]: Many of these do also include warehouse tight. [2:16:45, 2:17:00]: And I will stop my presentation there not just focused on comprehensive land plan. Uh and then it'll be further details during the summer presentation. And available available for any buttons that the council members may have clay of the boys. Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask them. So but questions that council may have this point. Sorry? [2:17:01, 2:17:04]: I have w what um I have one if I may mean. [2:17:05, 2:17:07]: So you originally had how many units on the property? [2:17:08, 2:17:17]: The very early plan actually called for almost two hundred units. Almost two hundred. We reduced it this week reduction. And what was your uh recent thing? Uh we the first time um for [2:17:18, 2:17:38]: Once we realized high density was such a low, we need to get closer uh to that six units per acre, uh that's the first reduction. The second reduction was a design in order to add some additional parking space. And the third reduction just happened over the past week as feedback from community. So when we removed the um stack, we added some additional parking and we wanted to reduce the units a little bit with her closer to one fifty. [2:17:40, 2:17:50]: Yeah, um Barber we have a question. Actually there were several uh concerns the owners had. Um I appreciate you meeting this as well. [2:17:50, 2:17:51]: Um [2:17:51, 2:17:58]: I know that you just int that your original plan came with two hundred units. That's close to I can't remember the count now. I believe that is a bit [2:17:58, 2:18:05]: In fact, um lower the density to under 150. I believe you got to a hundred and six. Um [2:18:06, 2:18:09]: We still need more than a hundred and fifty. Even with you removing um or [2:18:11, 2:18:16]: Removing the what do you call it? Cold process and connecting it. It just looks like you reconfigured some of the [2:18:17, 2:18:17]: [8298.3, 8301.3]: And you didn't remove or reduce the amount of units. [2:18:22, 2:18:42]: So some units were actually just open space editor and that can happen. And one of the things that we consider with getting 150 units, your code actually requires a clubhouse for more than 150 units. It's not required for than 150 units. So if we go that, we're not required to the clubhouse. Additionally, because we all have mandatory HOA in this community, we want to make sure that the prices remain attentive for support these. [2:18:42, 2:18:50]: Fees and one of those iterations is will HOA fees be in the future? So if you need to reduce the number of units, that increases the HOA fees for the rest of the units that remain. [2:18:51, 2:18:53]: Thank you for that explanation. Um [2:18:53, 2:18:56]: So is this the proton to discuss that through [2:18:57, 2:19:00]: The access road that can from Valley Hill Road, Davis Road. [2:19:01, 2:19:15]: So it is a actual road entity and not really an access road. It's meant for it to be a part of the community. Um, I think that I can go further details with the reasons I used to make your adaptation and the concerns that came up from the community. Okay, because that is gonna turn to access. [2:19:15, 2:19:18]: This pulse development is right next to the rural tracks. People are gonna [2:19:18, 2:19:20]: Um as a throw. But nonetheless. [2:19:20, 2:19:22]: I will wait. I'll hold just mine. [2:19:22, 2:19:24]: Points and sorry from the residents. [2:19:25, 2:19:45]: Yeah, so thanks so much. I appreciate that. I understand, you know, in the end it has to be profitable and it has to be worthwhile in order to do the time you got some number down it affects profitability and then the overall H certainly want to community to be maintained. Is this gated community? It is not a gated community. Uh we find that when you sometimes gate the town community. [2:19:45, 2:20:05]: community that sends a number message um that you're trying to keep folks uh in other than um make it a free flowing community. We want to promote walkability to two parks that are close by to this. We want to promote walkability to the amphitheater. The amphitheater is one mile from the northernmost point. So those folks that are in the back will actually be even closer than I'll and [2:20:04, 2:20:24]: be able to walk there as well. That's one of the great things about this site is the amenities that already exist from the backyard dollars, the folks that live here have the ability to get to easily. Well l let me just say this you ask me, I like to see a gate. I like to see gated communities, especially in the multifamily um developments. It send sends out a great message which is secure here and that it protects community. [2:20:24, 2:20:44]: And suddenly um I understand that at 150 might be where you need to be at a serious that included a gate and it could be being gated to keep it 156, certainly we'll do that because I think the community does need to be gated. I think that's what we be consistent in resonating that I do. The down right across right on the lateral is gated. Right there before it's send. [2:20:44, 2:21:04]: and out of messy consistent with and has the same uh small use pass obviously the residents exit through eight to access the multiple use pass along each other and then along frontage. So certainly that my that would be my preferred thing. I'm not sure what the what Ms. Barber has to say about that, but certainly uh that's consistent with what we did. David Road had eight too, so that's consistent with what we've been doing. [2:21:05, 2:21:25]: Okay. Any any track questions, answering track questions on the area. Well, I tell you what, how about give information you just showed us? So we contracted we were contracted to look back in the area. We thought that might be um so that was of discussion at this meeting. So looking at the traffic generated, okay, we do a lot of traffic impact studies for [2:21:24, 2:21:44]: variety of elements that mixed use development we were just talking about with those for anything like we've talked about before different types of uh full use of that roadway base road and uh like hill road um residential use is commercial so when we're looking at residential development the number of trips that are generated residential development is significantly less compared to a mixed use element has commercial or commercial hours so the number of trips are going to be lower in that scenario [2:21:44, 2:22:04]: Scenario compared to an industrial, it's gonna be very certain down two minutes per square footage of the industrial development, how many employees are gonna be at the industrial development. Um when we ran through so looking at forward, we used a very conservative growth rate for historical growth rate in this theory because we were seeing some growth over a period of time. So what we calculated and we actually use, we use something that's higher than we actually calculated slightly just a little bit of conservative. [2:22:04, 2:22:17]: buffer there. Um well second the analysis, uh what I'm gonna point out is have different access points allows the vehicle do an out of byte to access both access points, which disperses the traffic, which can the act the traffic has to any one point within your existing roadway network. [2:22:18, 2:22:38]: We also looked at operation of the traffic signal, East Atlanta Road and Valley Hill Road. In existing conditions, conditions with background growth accounted for in community, everything operated adequately. It's level of service C or better. D is the lower threshold. So it's actually operating better than adequate. Uh we put the project trips again by the time we disperse the trips. [2:22:38, 2:22:45]: out we were showing the majority of our trips getting to East Atlanta Road because that's the road that has the highest volume today can still operate a quickly. Um [2:22:45, 2:23:05]: We even if you start looking at the intercept and going approach by approach, it operates adequately with project um built. So uh we looked at uh preemption preemption uh occurring with trend come through that range between between ten and twenty depending on day. They did seem to avoid the P and P fit that's the surge of traffic, so that's that's a benefit. Um they even set out their monitored traffic for PP. [2:23:05, 2:23:17]: period in the afternoon. And we were able to well road, it does seem to clear most most of the time in one cycle based traffic signal time parameters. Um can be adjusted based on growth we recommend do every two years just on the growth in the area. [2:23:17, 2:23:18]: Sure. [2:23:18, 2:23:27]: Okay, another question council I'll open up this portion of the uh of the uh public for uh open my vlog any uh comments for comments for approved for this particular development. [2:23:28, 2:23:29]: In middle and comments for. [2:23:30, 2:23:32]: A far right cover four. [2:23:33, 2:23:37]: You're in the middle. You're in the middle. [2:23:38, 2:23:58]: Positive comment. Okay. On the right hand side. Positive comments. Okay. Negative comments comment that you not you get this in the far left hand side. Far left side. Okay, in the middle. The negative comments comments you're not four. If you line up one side, uh might be stand up first, line up to the mic. Any negative customer lineup right of first you can. [2:23:57, 2:24:08]: Okay. All right. Just line up. All right. Now. [2:24:08, 2:24:26]: And regular in a rule in twenty ten minutes. Now we make we have made adjustments based on what the council wants to hear. All right. And so when it comes for your name and your and start comment uh we'll monitor all this with the time frame. And we'll see how that how the flow goes with that. All right. These these are these all the people speak this stickler vote. A lamp on this side. All right. [2:24:26, 2:24:27]: Mm-hmm. [2:24:28, 2:24:37]: Madam Stop, good time. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Mike Davis, please. Uh my name is Mike Davis. I'm representing Red Sean Restaurant at three eighty East Dime Redstone Bridge. Okay. We've been there over twenty years. Um [2:24:39, 2:24:49]: My uh infrastructure track at uh intersection. Um I know Mr. Clay did a wonderful job of uh representing uh what he thought was uh good all that. Um [2:24:50, 2:25:10]: I've already seen where at our front it's hard to get in and out already and the units that are just uh north of us have not completed, which is over two hundred units. So once once those get the traffic from the residents there, which is gated community, which is awesome, but um it's congest there. Um and it'll uh I'm afraid it can uh is much of it should be [2:25:10, 2:25:19]: Before all these has to come in and uh and all the business coming right there, uh I'm concerned about being at the restaurant. Uh I respect the ask y'all to consider. I know that um [2:25:19, 2:25:23]: Uh it's right now. Um [2:25:23, 2:25:43]: Again, uh they consider maybe uh residential, just a single family residential instead of multi-family uh as a zoning. Um and some brought up the walkability to the parts. Well there's a railroad track where it separates those uh unit from our units. Uh so I don't I'd say that'd be a safety issue for people walking from this new five vehicle route that cross-sun railroads. [2:25:43, 2:26:03]: to get Cock Park or to walk on down to the theater. And then lastly, uh on Please Africa Impact Study, um, where it signs are at the amphitheater, I know East is down and things happen there. And I believe it adds a whole lot of extra stress coming down East Atlanta Road up to through Valley Road as well. That's my concern. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Go ahead, name and address please. [2:26:06, 2:26:22]: I'm Stephen Bradford. I live at Two Orbits for sixty four years. Uh I mostly my concerns are basically what Mike's got, you know. Uh cheap road is horrible when a train comes. You live in that gate and you won't get out away. Wow. [2:26:23, 2:26:24]: And they just [2:26:25, 2:26:25]: Uh [2:26:26, 2:26:27]: You know, I don't understand. [2:26:27, 2:26:29]: Thank you. [2:26:30, 2:26:32]: Am I allowed to ask a question? [2:26:32, 2:26:40]: Well come in. You got a lot of time. Uh you put a question you need to ask, you're gonna ask and we'll see if we can get back up later to that question, but go ahead. [2:26:40, 2:26:44]: I'm really concerned about that people and close to the railroad and they're good there. [2:26:44, 2:26:46]: And our children don't want to go to the park. [2:26:47, 2:26:48]: But they're road tracking blame. [2:26:49, 2:26:49]: You know. [2:26:50, 2:26:51]: It's that jury's waste. [2:26:52, 2:27:09]: Uh and I just don't I don't see where the the planning for that many people with jewel at Clover rail track includes not being able to thank you. Thank you. Yeah, sir we'll railroad track we'll talk we'll address that. No, so the clerk of Clara. [2:27:10, 2:27:23]: My name is Joyce Andrews, I have it tool and up north Star, Tibetan. Been there thirty-three years in Big Oulus. And I'm not real happy about I've been here in so many kind of complex. [2:27:23, 2:27:27]: Object of obvious and especially well they hear load. [2:27:27, 2:27:32]: If you've ever been there, it is traffic GMR radio on Valley Hill Road because the rail crossing. [2:27:32, 2:27:37]: And it's not their design to have that anything. So I'm I'm against this. [2:27:38, 2:27:43]: Not in favor at all. Okay. Thank you for your commitment. Next lady, please commit address. [2:27:47, 2:27:50]: Say going to Tian Oaks, North Stoppers, Georgia. [2:27:50, 2:27:51]: Uh. [2:27:51, 2:28:11]: due to transformation. Uh got enough on Valley Hill certainly and on this road. I believe that most of the people coming from the youth vision will be exiting Davis. It's all impossible at times now to turn on thirty two from this road. So this will make even worse. Uh schools I believe will be able to handle additional students that will have um [2:28:12, 2:28:13]: Nobody's [2:28:13, 2:28:19]: Um also I'm concerned about removal of all the trees by the railroad tracks. You can hear the trains. [2:28:20, 2:28:29]: A lot. I mean we can hear this building. I can hear it in a house off of Davis road. Once they remove the though they're gonna be putting these buildings up, I don't believe it's gonna be sufficient. [2:28:29, 2:28:33]: No, I oppose. Okay, thank you. Sir, any minute, please. [2:28:35, 2:28:51]: Thanks for hearing hearing me. My name is John Reith. I live at 150 Days Road. Um, while I agree with Rogers and I agree that we don't want industrial park there, I am concerned about the volume of what we're putting in the area infrastructure that we have currently. I invited I see a constant [2:28:52, 2:29:12]: flow of people walking down the street, no sidewalks. Sidewalk start 42 A.N. Once you get past the trailer park section, there's no sidewalk on that part of the road. So I'm not sure how people are gonna come down Davis Road to go even to the or to even go to the amphitheater. We're talking about Easter Land. You go over you past public sidewalk ins before you get now what's [2:29:11, 2:29:25]: developed or not, this sidewinds there's you're gonna have to cross over a busy highway on what little sidewalk there is there. Um rains, it floods streets because the uh pipelines and the district aqua already there, you're gonna clear property there and you're gonna cause more runoff and rain the area. [2:29:26, 2:29:28]: Well thank you, sir. Appreciate it. [2:29:29, 2:29:33]: Uh yeah. Two. Come on. Sir, please. Thank you. [2:29:34, 2:29:35]: Mm-hmm. Name and address, please. [2:29:35, 2:29:55]: Thank you, Councilman. Church Bear and decided that one set over call north. And uh I hope that the council does consider the saturation that's already taking place in this area. And I know it's belongs to someone and they have a right to do something with but yeah. The Disney is is uh number one. Well let me go with the traffic. It's uh it was described better than the addictive. [2:29:55, 2:30:13]: On the yeah, I am thinking at an o'clock night it might be. But it's uh usually it is not. Uh but they so we have cons and the track is difficult and this won't be compounded. Okay. Also, you know, reducing the number of um uh reduce uh the number of uh units from [2:30:14, 2:30:34]: Then reduced the decrease. Seems like you know, reducing it to double is not much of a but you know, if this is I had I realized that this was a zone flight industrial and um as [2:30:34, 2:30:37]: [9038.3, 9058.3]: Um keeping in line industrial than rezoning it to multi family. We have the density and the um the develop throughout this area and we w are is already exceeding capacity. You see in a whole lot of of open space uh semi um. That's to hit him in a bit, but I would imagine also we'll give a few lymph you know [2:30:58, 2:31:18]: Okay. I'll be as brief as I can. So but yeah, the station of development we already have, and there's an awful lot of in space. I'm not inclined to think that uh could be very, very wrong. Uh a developer would be inclined to make put another giant warehouse, you know, uh but would that be more desirable? [2:31:18, 2:31:31]: more than 150 residents uh uh uh added to this area when we're already choked from a traffic standpoint. I don't know how the infrastructure handle uh the current air infrastructure that we handle what um what we add but it just [2:31:31, 2:31:51]: uh you know we're saturated. And and I hope that the the council does consideration to that that like, you know, there's not that many trees or groups of trees that's that hasn't had something done with it this area. And we can solve this and and I'm very much against adding it a hundred at home to this area. Appreciate it very much [2:31:51, 2:32:11]: Okay. Mr. Gardner and the gentleman that was called the transportation, could you back to putting place? I forgot the else could you cut to vote for carefully. Um part of the uh I would say one thing that I want to mention passing that deals with the trade itself and the zone. Mr. Gardner, come on please. Uh the five zone that we need to be finalized and that involves safety or safety procedures in this aspect as well for three costs, both north and south and middle. [2:32:11, 2:32:26]: down down. And I believe our T Splash when we talk about these will be part of the process to to send past to make it a little more able to trans transfer a walk a bike and the total design area to try to connect everything but be helpful for this well. Assuming I was thinking about anyway, um on that note, um [2:32:27, 2:32:32]: Sir, c any other things that you need to emphasize in referring to transportation starting to come to reemphasize your point. Yeah, so don't go with Gardner. [2:32:33, 2:32:39]: So we were looking in our diligence. So nice would also design an operational actively managing signal. So [2:32:39, 2:32:42]: [9162.6, 9182.6]: The old traffic design were installed. So one thing that we notice is during preacher, it doesn't look like there's any type of tension on the west side of the train track. Also, pre routines have changed because we changed traffic signal software about four or five years ago. So we have more flexibility on what we call correction of of split allocation. That's just how much time is getting to movement. We have capabilities now. It's just your phone, you update your phone, you have more technology in your phone now. [2:33:02, 2:33:22]: You'll allocate that time in a more efficient manner. So that's changed. We know that it hasn't changed since the old cigars plan in the past, the new software. So we have access to that data. Um, we talked about some of these splash lands, you know, been in multiple splash lands, not updates to the newer software. So one thing that we've talked about was it could be efficiency gained by adding that detection on the west side of the tracks so it doesn't call a gap out, turn knock people out. [2:33:22, 2:33:42]: out. Um we looked at intersection and the um traffic counts that we performed counts in August this year. So this is an old counts, these are new and schools. So we did an author sometimes I'm sure you don't get them in a lot of what everything was clearing one cycle. Specifically the hill road, you know this is again less C, so this is adequate per and the user dot standard G dot standard as well service C or [2:33:42, 2:34:02]: Or better. So that's a correlation to how long vehicles are hanging. Even with the product trips, um we're not saying of a change to Q length. We're looking at one, two cars, any peak period of this. We're looking three years into the future. Again, we use conservative backgrounds, so kind of worst case scenario. The one thing I want to point out is the site layout, and I mean it's a natural, natural effect. If you look at it, we think the south. [2:34:02, 2:34:05]: sedm to the north and they're roughly equal in this layout. [2:34:05, 2:34:25]: What's what's great about that is we're distributing that traffic in a man we know that we're gonna go back to East Atlanta Road to hit because of the type of roadway it is and the amount of it carries. So the amount that we're actually adding to Al Hill Rough take carries about seven to eight thousand vehicles compared to Davis Road, which holds about fourteen hundred vehicles. We're only adding a twenty to thirty vehicle in a peak period to Valley Road. So the movements are not not drastic. When you start leather movements, [2:34:25, 2:34:45]: Um the less than one vehicle of queuing. It's an indicator of extreme label. We know that keeping people off the track is key. Everything looks good on analysis and in the field and pulling the um this for operational data as well as the design data for the industry. Mr. Thank you, sir. Anything at all? [2:34:45, 2:35:05]: No sir. Sir, I just want to double check with you. You good? Okay. I I click here itself. It's false. What goes with those kind of comments account? Yeah. One of the things I've always that we uh and I both told each uh district representative, I respect that they take the lead. So when we come to co meetings and we ask developers to make changes in their amendments, then it puts all [2:35:05, 2:35:25]: But in this case with this property here, I would say counselors when you deny uh the zoning, they can't come back for another year. And with that year, anything coming there for warehouses. So there's a compromise to be made with this developer. I would ask council to be able to make adjustments with the thing back with the compromise that's too to you because we [2:35:25, 2:35:45]: We don't make a decision today. This stuff's never one size fit all. It never is. But we do our best to make it more amenable to what is what you all want in your community. And and if we deny it, it's some of you all are saying, I don't want to be true down the road. It's saying, I like C development development, but I like to see this and see that. So maybe uh because I I heard that as mentioned um in this [2:35:45, 2:36:03]: You we don't ever want to put a developer in a position where now they're wanna then they gotta come back in a year. But I think the compromise for us to where they would compromise development. I think that we should I would motion table this and bring it back to the council uh and sit the developer to have a compromise then and then how you want to develop. [2:36:03, 2:36:23]: Okay. Mayor. I just know what you're saying, Tom. I also have some concerns because when I heard Mrs. Tinney speak, she spoke and I asked specifically drop down to hundred and fifty six from two hundred. They have uh it seems like and maybe she can come up and tell us how this has so far, see there's some type of negotiation back and forth and agreement. [2:36:23, 2:36:43]: Also another agenda item um which is move from two feet requirement to twenty-five feet. I'm thinking there's some give and take there. If if the if we don't move, what is that gonna cause a reduction of of homes? My concern is ensure that we get the peace property um [2:36:43, 2:36:57]: But coming up how many of you and no S is now add how many of you chapter just in the era has been happening there. Because if we don't do if we want to prove site, who's to say lambes or anything taking place? So I tomorrow's coming about land with house. [2:36:57, 2:37:00]: So now no make it sill and there's nothing we can do about it. [2:37:02, 2:37:04]: We're gonna make some negotiations, some changes. [2:37:04, 2:37:06]: Mm those changes [2:37:06, 2:37:13]: Ain't gonna be done tonight. Unless you haven't had that opportunity to negotiate. And Miss Tinny, if you don't mind if you can get that for me, I appreciate it. [2:37:16, 2:37:36]: Councilman, we have we held a voluntary community meet, write our phone allocation, and then at the request of the councilman, two additional um town hall meetings where we discussed it as well. And we did stuff items that we did negotiate the first time. The gate request come uh there was a request for some speech bombs because Councilwoman Barr mentioned she believes that we will become an access for the top. [2:37:36, 2:37:56]: entire development. So I think in order to achieve uh slowing traffic um instead of speaking and protection of the community, we will be willing to perfect I'm trying to mold too much. Um since the committee of Annister do want to give the council of information that you make a decision based on um for plan application. Um but if I think a gate would help to to [2:37:56, 2:38:16]: Two of the requests have come some additional security fill as well as slowing uh the possibility that coming uh through road. Um but otherwise, there are several things you'd like for me to go to the list now of the things that we did just negotiate? Okay. Sure. So um one of the things that Wesreaks did [2:38:16, 2:38:36]: was in the area at the top in the original plan. It was cul-de-sac there. Uh there was a question about being able to loot that for continuity. So we did make that change to that through that process. And because we knew it was a request to get closer to 150 units, we did reduce some units. In fact, the original design that came back here today still had over a hundred [2:38:36, 2:38:56]: Mixed units, even with Lean Dunn, specifically called the engineer back and asked him to remove additional units to add some open space and get us into one piece. Um as well. Um we also had a question about buffers. So uh along the railroad track side, the buffer um of the entire site is required to be 25 feet. [2:38:56, 2:38:58]: So [2:38:58, 2:39:18]: to the back property line closest it I'm sorry to the buffer line is one hundred feet then you have twenty five foot and then you have a twenty foot rear set back for each one of the yards so that's forty five feet and then one hundred feet at um first point to the road track. So we did not add an additional buffer there because that's pretty simple you have a hundred and [2:39:18, 2:39:38]: There was a question about putting a fits there. We are have a plan to leave that buffer unserved at additional land gap because again that is along East Atlanta Road. So it would be pretty heavily planted along. We did not think that a fence would be the most aesthetic look or the comment that came as well. [2:39:38, 2:39:41]: [9586.2, 9587.0]: Yeah, cheese a little bit. [2:39:48, 2:39:49]: Yeah, that's what she's in. [2:39:53, 2:40:13]: For she's looking for all concerned questions that I too. But now mm-hmm. So there was a question about the clubhouse. Um the obsidian square foot and we provide an emission over uh total over two thousand foot feet for the clubhouse. Uh we were asked for the track impact study by the track engineer that the recommendations were very [2:40:13, 2:40:33]: Minimal. Uh, I did felt point out earlier there are these links on both the entrances that's one of the commands there just to pull out traffic as they're turning into community. Uh there was a request with the variance setback uh that requested to make it 35 feet instead of 25 feet. We are respectfully requesting that it's a variance to 25 feet. Uh a townhome development in the county would require a 25 foot setback. [2:40:33, 2:40:53]: And most of the jurisdictions are 25 feet. Your zoning that allows for town home development is a multifamily zoning. And so that is a 50-foot environment there. Uh is that multifamily developments and that town development consistent with town industry centered home development and those jurisdictions around you is a 25-foot front sec. We also are aware of the precedent that was set recently for another development. [2:40:53, 2:40:56]: Town home development also has a twenty five foot front sack. [2:40:56, 2:41:15]: Uh we were installed a maximum total percentage to include that in HOA governing documents and have that five percent and step percent, we've agreed to five percental cap. We were about having um the monument along Valley Hill Road to connect to the park upon the um regulation. We determined it was not a at least with our evaluation that we could within a week that connection. So we did not do that. [2:41:16, 2:41:31]: Uh discuss the pump and the cul-de-sac. Uh edible landscaping. So one of the things that we were asked to do is include edible landscaping. I saw your browse kind of so edible lab is like berry trees or apple trees or something like that. Planting is a hardwood that some of the trees in development would be edible landscaping instead. [2:41:33, 2:41:53]: And ask to relocate some of the guest parking to center development. Uh so I know this is kind of far off from you guys, but there is parking that is right at we were able to addition parking on the northwest side there. There is guest parking at the amenity there. There is guest parking straight down that main road valley hill entrance. There's guest parking on the left side over there as well. And then there's [2:41:53, 2:42:06]: There's also a guest parking lot on Davis Road and some additional guest parking spaces on the outside of that. So guest parking is throughout the project. And we were able to add additional spaces around that amenity area bell. So we have a total now of uh four guest spaces. [2:42:07, 2:42:20]: Thank you. And uh Mayor comment is part of this uh nothing with you, but uh actually for me in regards to your comments, so thank you. It sounds like there have been some negotiation that have taken place. Um my I her comment that [2:42:21, 2:42:38]: We can change it, change it to single family. And that's something I want to discuss. That's the exact what we said earlier, some councilman eleGantt. We could have a developer here who has fought an application to reduce drop down from light industrial to a a a a multi resident. [2:42:38, 2:42:41]: If someone came in if someone w purchased too simply [2:42:42, 2:42:48]: And we would had opportunity for that tonight, but that's not what's being. We can't do that. We can only [2:42:48, 2:42:53]: vote on what has been applied for. If we don't vote tonight, [2:42:53, 2:42:58]: And it's and it's and it's uh label and it's remains the same, the light industrial. [2:42:58, 2:43:01]: That's what we're trying to say. We can't wish I could. [2:43:01, 2:43:04]: I wish I I wish I could, but we [2:43:04, 2:43:06]: I don't we don't have that right too though. [2:43:06, 2:43:07]: And so [2:43:08, 2:43:08]: Yeah. [2:43:09, 2:43:12]: With that comes trucks, comes all kinds of things. [2:43:13, 2:43:30]: And it didn't do. So I'm what I'm saying to you is we can't I wish we always hear it all the time. I'm not in the neighborhood. We want an apartment complex. We don't want towns. We don't want we hear it all the time. But there's a a difference can and cannot do and if we were like this today, tomorrow someone could be building a warehouse on it. [2:43:31, 2:43:32]: That's all we're saying. [2:43:32, 2:43:33]: [9813.7, 9821.3]: Thank you. Um actually uh the idea or suggestion was made during the community farm um requesting that homes built instead. [2:43:41, 2:43:43]: of high density multifamily. [2:43:43, 2:43:44]: Development. [2:43:44, 2:43:48]: That's one of the questions that I submitted to you because you already answered during the forum. [2:43:49, 2:43:59]: Certainly something that I would sort, but however I cannot sort Mr. Um there was no negotiations. In fact, what I sent were concerns and additional uh conditions to consider. [2:44:00, 2:44:06]: Those were sent Miss Hogan to be I expected to receive answers from those concerns and conditions. [2:44:06, 2:44:09]: Proxy today. I didn't get response until [2:44:09, 2:44:10]: Today. [2:44:10, 2:44:13]: I want to be able to review them and of course negotiate. [2:44:13, 2:44:18]: However, uh based on what I'm hearing now, it sounds like my councilmates are already making a decision. [2:44:18, 2:44:20]: For my district, once again. [2:44:20, 2:44:20]: So [2:44:20, 2:44:36]: What I have said just based on the concerns that were expressed by the presidents who attended the two community forums I hosted, um, of which I thank you, Ms. Hogan, for taking the time to meet with us and share your proposal. Um, one of the concerns, of course, appearance thirty five feet. [2:44:36, 2:44:40]: This one was the Mac Rental percentage. I know that in our code um there is [2:44:40, 2:44:42]: Um ten percent rental. [2:44:42, 2:44:42]: Um [2:44:42, 2:44:44]: Yes, that you reduced at five percent. [2:44:45, 2:44:48]: The third one was the Corn Monument along Valley Road to Nextwood Park. [2:44:49, 2:44:49]: Um [2:44:49, 2:45:09]: And I don't know what your responses were. I got them today. Um decrease the density in a hundred units. You just explained that it wouldn't be feasible to all. Um install speed bumps or posts to slow down the vehicular inside of the development, because that is gonna turn into through road. I can see that now. The railroad crossings. Um [2:45:09, 2:45:10]: [9911.2, 9911.7]: Um [2:45:12, 2:45:18]: I uh removing the cul de sacs. I thought there were three or four or buildings that were there. Um [2:45:18, 2:45:21]: I see that you removed those buildings. [2:45:21, 2:45:25]: And the call back into connect the two roads, but it looks like it's at those units. [2:45:25, 2:45:34]: Somewhere within the development so it didn't decrease the amount of units. Um asked to remove move those six units closest to the rail tracks. [2:45:35, 2:45:38]: The one all the way to the right looks like it's [2:45:38, 2:45:39]: Six. [2:45:39, 2:45:41]: Um those weren't for me it looks like. [2:45:42, 2:45:42]: Is that correct? [2:45:44, 2:45:53]: Additionally mentioned during uh the community forum about the edible landscaping. That's a great idea and the homeowners want to keep that. Um to install a fence along [2:45:54, 2:46:00]: Um decide where the rail crossing is, in addition to the uh cheese as a buffer. It's for safety. [2:46:00, 2:46:01]: Measures. [2:46:01, 2:46:05]: Also to increase the buffer to hundred feet along the road tracks. [2:46:06, 2:46:13]: I ask that you get so that it's not on the end of units. I ask that it be in the center for the development so that yes when they come. [2:46:13, 2:46:14]: Then I have to walk one end. [2:46:15, 2:46:16]: Uh, that wel. [2:46:16, 2:46:17]: The other is um [2:46:17, 2:46:18]: Whoever's on visiting. [2:46:19, 2:46:19]: Um [2:46:19, 2:46:22]: You add additional pardon. Uh well let [2:46:22, 2:46:23]: I want it. See and [2:46:24, 2:46:27]: Well one scene was being center throughout the development a short [2:46:28, 2:46:44]: Um certainly any off street parking and us with five feet at back, that's certainly what it's gonna do. There will be on parking, especially when there's a distance for guest parking. They're on far end of the building. But my house mates, um, since they're gonna support you also you don't need my support. But I want the homeowners to know I did the best that I could. [2:46:44, 2:46:47]: I brought plenty to our community forum. [2:46:47, 2:47:07]: I wanted to hear from you all. The community form was a way for the developer to come in to share their proposals. And I do have concerns with current zoning in industrial. That's the reason why I decided to hold a second community form so they all would understand the current as it currently is. Um but I did the best that I could. I'm hoping that my council will consider [2:47:07, 2:47:08]: Yeah. [2:47:08, 2:47:10]: Continuing to go development. [2:47:11, 2:47:14]: That area of Valley Road and Navy Road has um [2:47:14, 2:47:16]: Red interposes this year. [2:47:17, 2:47:23]: It is under consideration rolling infrastructure improvement plan with funds allocated. I can't support you. [2:47:23, 2:47:30]: Any development because how to put a road and infrastructure plan that includes Road and Davis Road. [2:47:30, 2:47:41]: That's the bulk of Maastricht. So please. So what was before actually a comprehensive plan amendment, okay? [2:47:42, 2:47:47]: [10067.9, 10087.9]: That that warehouse would be. You understand. You you you understand because you don't understand the reason that they chose location for the warehouse is because next railroad tracks. Those are called inland puts where the train stops and unloads their cargo at the warehouse. They yes, certainly. Yes sir. Yes sir. They chose that location over your car next to the warehouse. I'm just I'm uh [2:48:07, 2:48:08]: Yeah. [2:48:09, 2:48:29]: They have a shit of all the tractor trailers coming to your community. But see what's the reaction for you? And they need to speak anymore. Okay, this is about complex. This is about complex. That's right. Okay. [2:48:29, 2:48:49]: out for the structure of ten home delivery. That's what we do to vote on out. And if that approved, move on to the next step. All right. So you're a motion to accept this comprehensive amendment. Yes ma'am earlier Councilman Blount made a motion to table. There was a but no second I didn't make a motion. I suggest that we do it but when we talk about the number of units, uh you talk of three meters that put the community and the [2:48:49, 2:49:03]: and if you drop below uh 150 units, you can't put up a house suggested for the property. So you know, just like I've told everybody, it's no one size fit all project, any project that comes in. I'm not motioning I suggest it that way. [2:49:03, 2:49:12]: Do it. It was second this motion was seconded. Excuse me? I'm I'll make a motion to make a motion to approve. Okay there's a commission. [2:49:13, 2:49:19]: I have a second. Okay, this uh miss uh uh gas second motion. All favor, please. All posed. You oppose. [2:49:20, 2:49:40]: Three, one, you hold to sustain, is barber. Okay, so three two pass. Now we'll move on to the next one. Okay, three two motion passes. Result zero two three two four. Multiple family reservoir zone district to property by back here to allow for construction of a agent is the representative Tiffany Hogan. Property representative. [2:49:40, 2:49:58]: Number S 16-0100600K at land lot sixty nine of T 12 and tains twenty-four point acres within city starcy limits. Okay, and so Mr. Ryan is before us again. Uh okay, you press a deferral uh November 13th now some present nine, Mr. Ryan, please. [2:49:59, 2:50:06]: Okay, I'm gonna go all that. I and for the sake of time, I'm gonna cut my presentation short and just uh read the staff's uh now recommended approval with conditions. [2:50:10, 2:50:11]: Okay. [2:50:11, 2:50:18]: This is a rezoning talking about this number twelve rezoning. I'm number number ten. I'm sorry, I'm ten. Number ten, rezoning. [2:50:19, 2:50:22]: Well you can put it on here. It's not on here. [2:50:26, 2:50:39]: Uh right through the presentation. Okay, Mayor, I moved that we approve the re the um rezoning to assign the F Rony District to Property Five Valley Hill Road to allow construction of town development. [2:50:39, 2:50:56]: Motion is made in a second. You're right. Well, it is a diff it is a different it is a public case. That's right. That's what you got, Ms. Um okay, I'm sorry. Very good. That is right. And the question to the was to uh our attorney. If we're talking about the same piece of property. [2:50:57, 2:51:00]: We're talking about the same piece of property. Does each subject matter? [2:51:00, 2:51:02]: have to have a bookier discussion. [2:51:05, 2:51:08]: Because we're we already know what people are forgetting. We've heard already. [2:51:09, 2:51:18]: I'm not I mean again and I'm not trying to say that I listen don't buy these tough divisions, but you you make them so the question is when you pee you have a property up here. [2:51:18, 2:51:21]: Like this subject matter. [2:51:21, 2:51:28]: We do public comments. Everybody's talking about we no one was for it. We did against it. They've already spoken against it. [2:51:28, 2:51:29]: Would it [2:51:30, 2:51:34]: Do are we required to have a public hearing? [2:51:34, 2:51:54]: Council and clerk on to matter the norms. Never mind. Two people talking. My report would be yes. Let us refer to the I referred to. And although what is although it has been advertised that way in future I'm sure [2:51:54, 2:52:09]: For procedural purposes. When we talk about a particular piece of property and we have to go and vote on separate items for that property, or we are continuing to have public comments after each subject. [2:52:15, 2:52:28]: It doesn't have to say you don't have to decide this variance and this variance is separate if it's noticeable the variance of the associated property, then that can continue to develop you back. If you all time have your hearing you all just test, but one appearance and all the matter. [2:52:29, 2:52:30]: Yeah for [2:52:32, 2:52:35]: Okay. At one point they're having to do it individually over and over again. [2:52:37, 2:52:38]: I think [2:52:41, 2:52:48]: Okay. So basically the future when we talk about a particular piece of property wants public com they to comment. [2:52:48, 2:52:50]: That's what time we'll have to go through. [2:52:50, 2:52:54]: Who in the middle? Who's in a one time their opinions and discussing appointment? [2:52:55, 2:53:00]: That I just wanted to make sure because it seemed like we're we're done and we're definitely have to go over and over again. [2:53:01, 2:53:19]: Yes, ma'am. I just need patients. Because I can't mention that there was additional information that she would discuss when she got to be clear. Well, Ms. Holiday, let me clarify for you, as a real estate attorney, that what I'm trying to say is when we have a public hearing on any piece of property. [2:53:19, 2:53:36]: Yeah, when we have it, the mayor can announce and discuss each item prior to he can say we're gonna do this and this little piece of and so we have one public comment on against, not on and item eight, agitum item nine, because we're still talking about the same part. So it gives everyone an opportunity to speak that [2:53:37, 2:53:42]: That one we are gonna drag this thing out over and again. For the most part. [2:53:42, 2:53:52]: Everyone's gonna talk about the same thing, whether or not they were against this. Whether it's about the you put the request on on on how to be set back or whatever the case may be, it can be done in one setting. [2:53:52, 2:54:12]: Okay, got it. Ms. Hogan, you pass a couple of the mic, please. What I walked during your present initial presentation mentioned and you mentioned that you had some additional comments to make in your presentation when we get those different points on the agenda. Now some comments you may already made based on other information that came. So what I'd like you to do is I like you to go back to your presentation and go back to we're talking about zoning. [2:54:12, 2:54:20]: Highlight results highlight now, so we go through this process. And I say may it may take some time, so but we're gonna go through this process because what she initially indicated when she came up to the brief the first time. [2:54:21, 2:54:32]: So Mr. Bingy's statement idea covered most of it with questions I've asked. Uh particularly with going through the items that uh were requested as a result of the meeting. I'm sorry, I don't want to mess anything up here. [2:54:55, 2:55:01]: Do you need help with this? Uh someone needs to get to that pre back to your presentation. Yeah, they're coming up here. Do this now. [2:55:03, 2:55:08]: Okay. So I'm currently saying it's not letting me close it up any other way. [2:55:11, 2:55:13]: You can hit that'cause I don't have a version there, so that's fine. [2:55:14, 2:55:15]: Right. [2:55:16, 2:55:21]: Oh pardon screen. Got it. Thank you. [2:55:28, 2:55:32]: And I think someone would address the reasoning and area at the same time so that we can't move over. So I'll address everything. [2:55:39, 2:55:59]: Okay, uh so we are now looking at the rezoning and variant applic Oh, sorry. So we're looking at rezoning the variant applications to clear the light is currently light industrial and we are seeking a rezoning to multi-am residential as you've heard the evening. The thuks site is here with the star on it in the purple. So you have that little bit of light industrial there and then again everything else has turned to residential around here yet. [2:55:59, 2:55:59]: Yeah. [2:56:00, 2:56:20]: This is a lot typical of what the lot would look like. So we wanted to be sure to show this because we're required to reduce the variance to feet. So there has been some concern about the driveway length. Again, it is a par garage unit twenty-four feet wide. So people will have two parking spaces in their garage and then an additional two parking spaces in their driveway. Even with the twenty foot one of the concerns was that the possibility of it cost [2:56:19, 2:56:34]: If people pull their rocks the way that they should and don't pull so they're hanging off of their driveway, which whereas we can't uh determine whether folks would do that, uh there is enough space to car to be in a driveway without them hanging over the sidewalk. [2:56:35, 2:56:36]: This is what the site currently looks like. [2:56:37, 2:56:43]: These are the uh image of what the homes would potentially look like. This is a actual development right of the two four foot units. [2:56:44, 2:57:04]: The community that we seek to develop with provide a community field with amenities to one of the things in your comp plan they're looking for in the area is to rise into the development community fields. In the main amenity area you would have swimming pool as well as the cloud, a playground, uh a foot multi-use path throughout and ten foot sidewalks on fence as it said. And then everything that you saw on that side plane that was in the green is also uh [2:57:04, 2:57:24]: Common space. I'm going to that side for just a second to highlight something that because all of the lighter coloring space we have intentionally left provided that be developed. Darker green, there is a creek that runs the site. So darker green is the creek and the required local state and federal required. We will not be into those buffers of criticism requirement by law. We will get a creek crossing from the federal government or [2:57:24, 2:57:26]: [10647.1, 10659.4]: While I'm on the side slide uh slide, I would like to highlight once again the additional parking that is added. It is through outside. It is not the one area. Uh so there is parking almost on every street, on every block. Uh you could easily walk to the residence. [2:57:42, 2:58:02]: This is an image of the clubhouse. This is indicative of the community that this one was built in. This is the one that was built. Uh it's the exact floor plan of the clubhouse that we will build, but the facade will be made to match the units of this committee. This will hold that is built at another, but it will put it in here. It has the mushroom kids like the player as well. The clubhouse also has outdoor scene areas, building fans up there. [2:58:02, 2:58:22]: and outdoor for folks to sit and enjoy. Again, variance we are seeing is from a 50-foot front setback to a 12-foot front setback, which is standard in the three four developments now. We also know that recently there has been another approval without reaching from 55 foot. Uh and that if this project were built in the county, it would be 25 foot. That was part for townhomes as well. [2:58:24, 2:58:44]: This would be and actually this light at the count from the last week it'd be one hundred and fifty six moms now, four four foot wide, two car garages, one hour or less walk from the stockbridge amphitheater. It also connected sidewalks throughout the in the front of the property. All of the units are three bedroom units throughout. There is an option for one unit on the end of each building to be a four bedroom unit. That is option. It can only be one unit out of the [2:58:44, 2:58:45]: And toppling the orbit. [2:58:46, 2:58:49]: Uh we're exceeding a spark, your code requires fifth aspect, we're providing four percent spec. [2:58:50, 2:59:10]: And again, the MIDI theater that we talked about. One of the great things that we really love is the company was fitted on the principle of had a dream of homeownship to folks. That's to this day with the coming reality, it's really important to us that still growth. Opportunity to take homeowners as well. [2:59:10, 2:59:30]: Closing cost, which right now is$1,000. We also have a home buyers club because we want people to be successful in home ownership and not just be able to purchase a home. So our homeowners club actually educates folks on not only increasing their credit rating to get their rates, but also making sure that folks understand all of the uh expenses that come with homeownership so that they hopefully are able to maintain their homes. [2:59:30, 2:59:34]: This is available to anyone for the safe charge, even if you don't purchase a DR home. [2:59:35, 2:59:55]: And again, we've been American owners since 1978. Just earlier year we closed our one home in Texas. There's actual video on YouTube. Mr. Horton himself sent folks with their keys and sold the house to him at the price open in 1978. They did not know that was going to happen. Our agents are sell are trained to sell to owner occupants only and not to investors. So that's very important, of course, in a town home unity. [2:59:54, 3:00:08]: So you don't end up a community full of individual investors. We also do seminars at local agents on new home construction first time buyers. That's not our agents, that's other agents. They understand what to provide to those folks. And again, we talk about Main Street Stars Incentive program and the home buyers clip program. [3:00:10, 3:00:12]: And every of our home is smart home as a standard. [3:00:13, 3:00:17]: That concludes my presentation. If there are any questions, I am happy to entertain them and Clay is still here. So [3:00:17, 3:00:37]: Council. Minister Br president. I just want to say this, ma'am. I appreciate everything that you've done. I certainly apologize the way that you were treated and that you had negotiated with us in and you made presentations, you've compromised, heard the residents, and uh you were told that no matter what you did, that would not pay the the resident from that district for it. Sorry. [3:00:37, 3:00:57]: That's not the way that we should be making decisions with uh forethought with what we want to make sure that we take everything into co into uh uh account and that we do what's necessary to make the best decision possible. So certainly. Thank you. Thank you. All right. I'm gonna deal with briefly now. That's what I say. So I'll open up the public hearing. Listen it. [3:00:57, 3:00:59]: But if my far sightful [3:01:00, 3:01:00]: [10862.3, 10879.3]: Anybody in the middle four? Four. Four to four. Re zone issue. Anybody on the right side? Four. Okay, anybody on the left side? Against rezone issue. Anybody in the middle? Come on up, line up this side on this side. Alright? Against rezone issue. Line up over here. [3:01:19, 3:01:20]: All right. [3:01:20, 3:01:25]: Now it looks like we're not for give ten minutes please. So come to the podium, give me a name and address. [3:01:27, 3:01:38]: No name or you see it again. Name Stephen Brad on Let me upload Georgia. Okay. Rezone initiative. Go ahead, please. And I am concerned that we have people here that are for this. [3:01:38, 3:01:40]: They wanna put this in backyard. [3:01:41, 3:01:43]: Have y'all done research? [3:01:43, 3:01:45]: Do you know what limit for roads? [3:01:46, 3:01:47]: Baboo Dave. [3:01:48, 3:01:49]: Reason. [3:01:49, 3:01:55]: There is no address me by the way. Address me. There's a reason there is no activity in that building. [3:01:56, 3:02:09]: Pop company left, free company left. They were not allowed to go on belly food with babies who completely out of question. So I'm not worried about fair house being built. They can't tear books in and out. [3:02:10, 3:02:12]: That's a priestness video image. [3:02:16, 3:02:33]: My name is Eve Brad. I live at two three o'clock, no thought rich. I worked for a mid-state range. We did not have a lot of traffic that could m out of there. We had drugs with big pipes, but that's all that could come out there. There was no big trucks coming in, no big drugs going out. [3:02:34, 3:02:35]: There won't be concerned. [3:02:37, 3:02:39]: Thank you, appreciate it. Next individual and the address is. [3:02:42, 3:02:51]: Good evening, James Chale, one of the land of stock crits. Thank you for allowing me to speak to the board and the mayor. I've heard Ben say at times, I believe he's on staff, that uh the staff is recommending that this happen. [3:02:52, 3:03:04]: But I'm sure the Planning Commission is made up of very many competent individuals down there doing concerting the fifty Valley Hill Road Pride and have recommended denial. I stand with the Pennington Mission as well as many of my neighbors do. [3:03:05, 3:03:08]: Thank you. All right. No no need platform, sir. Your name and address please. [3:03:11, 3:03:21]: Thank you. [3:03:21, 3:03:22]: Okay, blue. [3:03:22, 3:03:42]: The topography of this area not really can too light industrial. I don't I think it's uh an empty threat. Because, you know, unless we're gonna lord the uh raised road, it's uh you know, getting track trailer trucks is will be uh onerous if not impossible at this page. Based on the weight limits of of all the access roads, the accessing that area with a tracker trailer is [3:03:42, 3:04:01]: I as as a person who operates tractors, it would be possible to to actually pull a tra trailer up there. I I mean unless part of the plan is to lower the railroads, I don't think. And nor is the an likely than erase the road. It's a particular anti threat, the light industrial the uh a lush warehouse could be better at this point. [3:04:01, 3:04:10]: Okay, thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay, no more comments. I'm no counseling motion to accept this reasonably. [3:04:10, 3:04:13]: Yes sir. [3:04:17, 3:04:23]: Is this the this the uh since this is going on so long? This is the rezoning with the requirements and the conditions of the [3:04:24, 3:04:29]: Yes, sir, but I need to repeat the um conditions into staff. Go right in. Go ahead. Okay. [3:04:30, 3:04:50]: Six conditions uh of approval. Uh first condition um rezoning is uh the rezoning should not be approved unless the applicants requested complaint amendments is is um is approved. Uh the rezoning should not be approved unless the variance is approved. Uh the proposed town belt shall constrain according to the design, which is similar to the one that's shown the applicant submitted site plan. Well, they had a revised site plan. [3:04:49, 3:05:09]: Plan was submitted today, so the date was changed to um November 13th, 2023. That's the one that's okay. Go ahead. Uh rezoning should not be approved once the unless the developer submits construction plan to Stockbridge Public Work Department June 29th, 2024. Otherwise determines their sufficient senator tool capacity to go to serve the whole building. [3:05:09, 3:05:28]: not be um unless the consumer traffic impact state which provide satisfactory traffic entertain data, which they did. The rezoning shall not be approved unless the applicant conducts an environmental impact which provides satisfactory environmental data. Those are suggestions. The applicant come back to the podium. That's good. Thank you. [3:05:30, 3:05:30]: Clear so. [3:05:31, 3:05:34]: We we had here we had the phone. [3:05:34, 3:05:48]: Your earlier. You can have one or look at all three of these issues. Yes, sir. When you vote going to singly vote on each issue, not all three of them at the same time. So one revenue, bezoning, etc. Variants, it'll be three votes. Okay. Okay. Ms. Hogan? [3:05:49, 3:06:08]: Okay, we we do we have the ten foot personality in the requirement here. I didn't hear the rip. That's part of the cycling. She's all right. Eight foot trails on the interior, ten foot on the exterior, and eight foot in the interior. Oh and it's position on that. But we also had a president set on Davis Road and on East Lana Road or gated community. [3:06:10, 3:06:10]: Shouldn't you [3:06:11, 3:06:17]: And I'm open to guess that b before. Um we do need to be cognizant of the cost that I will add, but I don't want [3:06:18, 3:06:32]: the gate to be something that will have us from move forward. I just think we want to be consistent with what we're doing. Everywhere we go, we net we had the same setback, we had the same requirements, Bon Stucco, certainly. Uh I wanna make a motion with this, the condition that consists be consistent with the other community with the gate. [3:06:34, 3:06:42]: So I'm not looking to the setback. We're not talking about setback yet. [3:06:43, 3:06:46]: So this this um you're good with that, you're gonna add in. All right. [3:06:47, 3:06:49]: Okay. [3:06:49, 3:07:09]: Um well I I don't know the the conditions I didn't see I had seen in years. Uh but I didn't know those conditions uh wasn't just long as the conditions everything understood what we're talking about pertaining to this. I just wanna make sure whatever we do on the night conditions are put in there. Sir could you make a motion please? So yes, yes, that's [3:07:09, 3:07:10]: [11232.6, 11244.4]: agreeable to five percent rental cap as well. Uh that was one of the things that was on the list. So she's asking should we call that second sh I'm that well add the five percent rental rental cap as well instead with agreeable [3:07:25, 3:07:45]: Is there a second? A second. Okay, any further discussion? None. All favorable please? Okay. UFA? So three zero three zero one. Right. Okay. Now, so we got got to should be total seven different uh eight lists. Eight. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I can learn how to count. All right, eight. All right. Uh so now what we have left uh also is the various case. [3:07:45, 3:08:05]: Coun council district four council consideration of the request of the various property fifty five Valley Hill Road to Left Town Home Furtherances allow the reduction front or setback from required fifty feet to twenty-five feet in MFR Mobile Family Residential Zoning District. The property represents parcel number sixteen-looking land line sixty nine of discount and it can [3:08:05, 3:08:25]: Text 24.96 start received is approval. Plain commission is denial. I'm gonna of course request a deferral to number 13, which is a nice uh meet. Mr. Ryan, please. Okay. I'm not gonna go through all the cyclines, just gonna get to the to recommendation. Staff recommended um approval with conditions. Um uh there are development hardships on property and [3:08:25, 3:08:39]: And uh we have two cases that we recently passed security that approve a twenty five foot um setback for our day go project and a three foot project uh foot front yard setback for two zoning events. We want to exist in zoning and staff remnant approval. [3:08:39, 3:08:49]: Okay. I'm trying to do that. Mr. Srian, I have a question. In regards to recommending the approval for fifty to twenty five [3:08:49, 3:09:04]: What's reasoning so? Um based like a pre like a little um there are developmental harsh property. Um some reason I was zoning um has a fifty foot standard with an industry standard town home, it was twenty-five feet. Um and [3:09:05, 3:09:15]: Another reason why we d if um it did not the uh variants we would neglect what we just did we were uh because we can uh the approval of the results and the complaint contingent upon the variants. So it wouldn't it would uh [3:09:15, 3:09:35]: Neg negate everything we just done. Oh, that's my made a few minutes ago. I was like, wait a minute, don't put the content of the variance within right? Yes. Okay. So I made that statement. In in addition to I could do thirty. Okay, I do thirty. But I I have concerns in regards to the setback. Okay. Right? Will it [3:09:36, 3:09:39]: Cause more [3:09:40, 3:09:56]: car all over the road. Well, um no, because in their site plan they added additional guest parking. They added a lot of guest parking. Uh sixty seven guest units. They would be centralized inside out. And uh their covenant will will not allow for uh on street parking. So it would be prohibited. [3:09:56, 3:10:09]: And like I said, if you um look at um all the other zoning ordinances within this within um most of 25 foot front yard set back requirement for our townhomes, there might be 54 apartments, but it's 25 industry standard for townhomes. [3:10:09, 3:10:26]: And I preach industry standards, but I'm stockbridge standards. And so my standards are gonna be just that. I mean, for goodness sake, agreeing to Eblin's captain. Right. So I have my own standards. Not and and those are the requirements to make sure that there was adequate parking lot. And I think that's okay. I would be okay with three. [3:10:26, 3:10:29]: Oh but uh Council Member's okay. [3:10:30, 3:10:33]: Come quick uh typing going back to Paul is. [3:10:35, 3:10:41]: So that becomes any question. If you you just give one minute, um I will see and you can answer. [3:10:45, 3:10:52]: And the reason that because engineering as I'm texting as Ryan said, topography in this, um and Ryan, do you have light plan here? Maybe helpful if we can show. [3:10:52, 3:10:53]: Yes, it's true, man. [3:10:54, 3:10:59]: Is still shows the same areas that I can point at oh okay. [3:11:04, 3:11:07]: Perfect. I'm gonna revert back to not though. [3:11:08, 3:11:28]: So this is actually the top survey of the site. So as you can see, there's just a nip drop as you go down the site. Um and also because it's actually cut soft. So this is the gray area is the area seen close to that creek. Really dark squiggly line is the creek. The way that the drop is, it will be um pretty difficult on a lot of these lots in order to have a um front yard setback that is. [3:11:28, 3:11:42]: Fifty feet for sure. Thirty feet, I tend to see it would make sense for the additional five feet because that site plan is based on a twenty five foot setback. So once you start moving that that ships the sidewalks, the units, everything go round. [3:11:43, 3:11:44]: Okay. [3:11:45, 3:11:56]: Based off of whether or not we fit a hundred and fifty homes within that the site plan. With our plane owning team. Our our department, our plane department. But I would I would prefer at least [3:11:56, 3:12:00]: Um understand your standards. [3:12:00, 3:12:11]: There's also things, reasons and and ways to think change. Whether we bid in roads are we now bid in our sidewalks to you know, to have these wide trail paths. So there's always room for change for me. I I'm room for but I'm also [3:12:12, 3:12:23]: Um hearing when the constituents when they are concerned we wanted at one fifty house units with fifty-six. I get it. [3:12:24, 3:12:25]: Yeah. [3:12:25, 3:12:26]: Having you know, snipbacks. [3:12:27, 3:12:30]: It was if we did it in the first place. So I'd I would [3:12:31, 3:12:32]: Uh maybe live early. [3:12:34, 3:12:54]: You gotta say you are reduced from two hundred to one fifty six, which means that you you redu that the two hundred was three five foot setway, right? Yes. So you reduce something thirty foot. I mean, I know you don't know the answer to that word per se, but I think if we made a motion and said uh basically we would ask for thirty feet, engineer allowed thirty feet that you would compile with that. [3:12:55, 3:13:04]: So what I would say is that it's not as simple math as you take those six units out to get the one. Don't say engine engineering showed that it was feasible to do thirty, you would do the third. [3:13:05, 3:13:20]: Yes, under how we make that a condition. And also to Ryan's point from earlier, their first tension with the rezoning is that the side plan. So I don't know if Okay. So that takes care of that. And I guess for the conditions if it's feasible with the engineer thirty? [3:13:21, 3:13:22]: Yeah. [3:13:23, 3:13:25]: If it's feasible, we could you'll have to do it. [3:13:27, 3:13:29]: Don't know how to address it at this point. We don't. [3:13:30, 3:13:31]: There were condition touches only. [3:13:31, 3:13:34]: Right. I mean the condition says if it's feasible that you would have [3:13:36, 3:13:46]: I can bring it to Ryan Future mics. Brian, if you can get to the make you want to speak. Just got an answer from the engineer. We can footstep there. Thank you. Thank you. All right. [3:13:46, 3:14:05]: Yeah, uh Ms What if we what's what size other roads what's what's the length I do a three foot other than a twenty five and it shortens the streets because I'm concerned about emergency units. What's size now? Is your standard uh when we did the pre application meeting the year was on there? Is your standard twenty six or twenty eight here? Twenty eight, it's twenty four twenty eight. Okay, got you. So we just make sure that's exactly what the three foot. [3:14:06, 3:14:10]: We will have to meet your requirements for your streets because well, I get now there won't be public streets because I get it. [3:14:14, 3:14:25]: The privacy now just going on railroad tricks. So they'll have to be a twenty sixty five fire cut. Yeah that's what they exactly twenty six feet. [3:14:26, 3:14:37]: Are you quickly for Okay, so again, we'll do this process for actual public carrying for the variance, for the variance. Anybody have left that's right, left side, for anybody in the middle for yes variants. [3:14:38, 3:14:40]: [11680.6, 11700.6]: Okay. Anybody against variants? Anybody against this variance on the left? Anybody in the middle? I'll speak against this. Come on. You stay on the recognition. But in the middle, uh wants to speak about the variance. I guess anybody on the right side. Okay. I'm not sir, you're up. [3:15:02, 3:15:11]: Yeah, it's a question. Okay. Then counsel Don Smith, Five One Townsend, Stockbridge, Georgia. Okay. My question is about the gate. [3:15:12, 3:15:12]: Gentlemen here about. [3:15:13, 3:15:14]: We'd be in the gate. [3:15:14, 3:15:30]: My question on gate is you said it's more inclusive, keeping everybody in the recipe. Okay. The genus is more exclusive. This is exclusive. Also, is it going to be a private street or public street? Because if I'm paying tax and you have a gate that tells me I can't go through there. [3:15:31, 3:15:35]: Now my hands. Anyway, that that's the first issue. The issue is experience. [3:15:36, 3:15:37]: Having done. [3:15:37, 3:15:41]: First that architect, retired, let's registered background. [3:15:41, 3:15:43]: Worked at Jersey, Philadelphia. [3:15:44, 3:15:45]: Handle all these types of cases. [3:15:46, 3:15:52]: When you start making real private, now you have a level that people have in that immediate gate area. [3:15:53, 3:15:56]: We don't feel safe having to go through there. Finish the walk. [3:15:56, 3:16:00]: Because you've not given it exclusivity. We get closing down. [3:16:01, 3:16:01]: And do that. [3:16:02, 3:16:03]: And we're still paying taxes on that. [3:16:04, 3:16:05]: [11765.9, 11768.0]: Is it now private? Is it [3:16:08, 3:16:08]: Right. [3:16:08, 3:16:14]: That is that has to be taken into account prior to using when there's because I want to pay taxes on an area that I can go into. [3:16:15, 3:16:19]: Got somebody possibly harassing me. I still belong here, do you live no, I don't. [3:16:19, 3:16:21]: But the taxpayer will go through here. [3:16:21, 3:16:22]: So that's my [3:16:22, 3:16:42]: Thank you for the coming president. Okay. So that that's what comes here. You go ahead, sir. Uh in any community, anytime you put up a gate, those roads become private roads. Those roads and roads they have to have air, they have to have resurfaced. Anytime gate any community, those roles become private roles and not because they're not um to be used by the public and negated. [3:16:42, 3:17:02]: Then there are private roles that are gonna be maintained. Uh they count to the city uh six months for any repair or whatever on that it it becomes a private role. Uh on that note, um council we I need for variance. I've just agreed 30 for variance. We need a motion to accept that. Is there a second? I second Ms. Gantt second from Allen and Mr. I'm fairly case. Okay. So you have some city's got four. [3:17:02, 3:17:06]: All right, let's move on. [3:17:06, 3:17:26]: Company KC two three uh zero four council district number two been written a request for a compass of plan amendment to change the future land use design of three parcels parway and walkway from low density vertical use to high residence to allow for mixed residential development. The advocate is uh D. R. Horton, land east presented by Miss Uh Tiffany Holden. Uh [3:17:26, 3:17:46]: Parlando listed below in the landlock fifty seven of district twelve with seven nine point one six total acres parcel number zero three zero zero one zero zero nine zero zero contains seven three five number zero three zero zero one nine five contains three point six three six acres parcel number zero three dash zero one zero zero nine zero zero six contains one point three acres staff recommendation [3:17:46, 3:18:06]: Planning commission recommendations denial. Applicants are requested to the firm on November 3rd was the night. Oh she wants to go back Adam Timidy uh to do that being uh item fifteen. [3:18:06, 3:18:12]: [11893.0, 11902.1]: So um I I hear that would it be acceptable for a representative from a community from the Home Association to speak to every Western African? [3:18:23, 3:18:37]: Why uh well Jesus I guess you just can counsel for that decision. I know how the citizens for community plays into this. That's why indicated that the reason for the referral is to speak to the commun to the community, is that correct? [3:18:39, 3:18:41]: In the driving scenario. [3:18:41, 3:18:57]: Okay, so if the request is is part of the request is to speak to the Homeowns Association big president, then seeing that maybe appropriate. Now I don't know. Um she may not be wanna speak. She's the mean the meaning um the people we with today with the representatives from Mary. She's the meaning of that. [3:18:57, 3:19:07]: I I'm okay with that. Is I was gonna just give them enough to d to weigh in on it. But personally I'm okay with it personally. Well, how about I was gonna spot the t the table until when? Tell ne till the month? [3:19:07, 3:19:21]: How long is that? You want to take the summary eleven meeting then motion you do that and uh and then what have so what a minute. I was like council mentality. I'm okay that I I will make motion if someone has not I'm I'm okay. I'll vote in favor. [3:19:21, 3:19:34]: I heard a motion, I heard a second. No, motion is not basic. Well, uh mayor and council move that agenda item fifteen sixteen be deferred to the December eleventh meeting. Yes. [3:19:34, 3:19:52]: I second. Okay. I'll give Ms. a second. All favor please indicate. Okay. Okay. Okay, got so four votes. That's good. Uh we'll come back on December eleventh, uh, Tiffany. Okay, seventeen. First reading proposal, FY twenty twenty four, operating budget opposite. Uh mister Mr. [3:19:54, 3:19:55]: Uh symmetric. [3:20:01, 3:20:03]: Sound five city manager plus [3:20:05, 3:20:06]: No sir. [3:20:12, 3:20:13]: Uh [3:20:19, 3:20:21]: Can uh determined? [3:20:24, 3:20:26]: This is garbage. [3:20:26, 3:20:29]: First reading the poll, L I twenty four operating capitalists. [3:20:41, 3:21:01]: Good evening, customers. Uh tonight uh we have the first read budget budget presentation. Before you should have a copy of the budget again as part of your package. Um but I gotta read uh 10 slides. And as you go along um with the next read and adoption, I'll uh probably uh make some adjustments and add some slides to it. But um first of all, we'll send the twenty twenty budget. Um there are no post-fee increases for uh trades building. [3:21:01, 3:21:13]: permits um our plan reviews, no increase in utilities, water rate, sanitation rates, cost home water. Um we can see that there's no risk enough for this upcoming year when we know we're gonna have those out next year. There's establishment point seven seven misery. [3:21:14, 3:21:34]: Um top conditional service in the city to include police and public works. Uh there is uh pus additional police requested for the budget. We are also requesting a four percent cost delivery adjustment for our employees. We haven't had they haven't had one three vehicles, but it's like um we do have road improvements and sidewalks part of our budget uh and it's gonna be funded through our spots and general fund and [3:21:34, 3:21:36]: As well as warns to infrastructure improvements continuing. [3:21:37, 3:21:57]: As I mentioned before, uh if you go back to where the city was by nineteen eighty nine, you'll see how we roam. Most of the people sitting in this room on our count moved here between two thousand and two thousand ten. And and Thabbridge had one of his highest growth rates. If you think we are there at thirty six thousand six hundred, our next spike in growth is gonna take us somewhere around fifty one. It's gonna be the next [3:21:57, 3:22:04]: generation of homeowns to move and develop into the city. And as we continue to need to look forward that future growth not with us and start trying to plan for it. [3:22:06, 3:22:20]: The five twenty three twenty-four budget is projected. Remember this is predicated on revenues always. Are you looking at revenues, not expensive? Revenues is going to be a and then you work to have the expenses around revenues. So the three point seven twenty six point seven million five twenty five. [3:22:20, 3:22:22]: Jaska vaan siihen. [3:22:22, 3:22:28]: So you see that there was no quality tax in 2022. They had about 1.2. That was the transfer foundy. The services they gave us. [3:22:28, 3:22:48]: Um and then receivable budgeted six point seven million for that. We do an increase in our loss, which is predicated also on our growth. You will set in the FY24 budget altar you see going up. And as remembered it also working right now because based on our growth, we'll have opportunity for one or two more package doors. And we want to get those in based on our population, we get added additional package. [3:22:48, 3:22:50]: Um [3:22:51, 3:23:11]: Um no. Um pawn shop or standard effect. Based on your evaluation, you get to add additional. No. And then the UFP's that brings us to twenty six twenty seven um projected revenues. Quick jump phone highlights. Um uh person between what we budgeted and all of these numbers obviously because it's in our fiscal year. [3:23:11, 3:23:31]: They are unaudited and will be adjusted as we go forward. But we projected about 582 for um a government budget. And that includes us looking at banking that's trips um to DC as a while lobbying which we were successful again over um two million dollars, three million dollars as part of the appropriations uh under the cust bill this year. Um and as you go through, you'll see that this includes. [3:23:31, 3:23:48]: increases and some decreases in departments based on and those are slight adjustments obviously from the previous year and our expenditures at twenty six point seven actually matches our so there is out at that point which years we go through and try and manage the budget so we have opportunity savings it would then do the general fund. [3:23:48, 3:23:56]: Under twenty four budget, we are looking at um stopping roughly the same. The additional stopping is gonna come with oppositions being requested by public seat officials in the police department. [3:24:01, 3:24:20]: Under our general fund capital breakout, um, we're going to look at spending some different monies in the police department with the flock cameras, additional flock cameras, several new cars, some repairs, uh other equipment and uh public works making some sidewalks improvements, development strips to two hundred eighty eight hundred and fifty. Um with a combined uh general fund of one point five million dollars. [3:24:21, 3:24:38]: Overall, uh and this is we gotta remember this maintaining for all of our capital improvements we have to for those all majority superclicks that are gonna be four two splits on actually in our general fund. So sidewalk improvements and obviously still uh plus six which will come up for a vote as we come to the end of Splus five six plus. [3:24:40, 3:24:44]: Overall funds budgeted uh sixty one [3:24:45, 3:25:00]: sixty one million and remember about nineteen seventeen million of that splash plus funding um LE funds the a confirmation I'll see through the SPLOS program. So we might set that out to be right somewhere around forty something as a week as a split. So we don't close N Splus budget drops considerably the loss of Splash revenues. [3:25:01, 3:25:02]: [12302.5, 12317.6]: Okay, quick so Mr. Blonde, you had a question? And this is for the read, so we still hope the next reading, second read will be November twenty eighth. The adoption of the budget is advertised for December e December eleventh. All right, Mr. Blank, go ahead, please. [3:25:18, 3:25:38]: So with the refund, obviously that'll come off that comes somewhere for REMs. But also you gotta refrain fact that there's gonna be both as the seventy service come online, those actually increase would be on here. We just haven't estimated w how many those subdivisions because we don't know as they come online. But as you know, um D my right next to this will start probably selling units under FY twenty four. [3:25:38, 3:25:54]: How many? You also have the apartments that are line that Mr. Grant just talked about. Those are gonna come online today. But we don't know if it's gonna go online, but we'll actually get similar stuff. The day for development is actually coming. [3:25:55, 3:26:00]: Review right now after get the C that there'd be some off between would give out and um tax and the um [3:26:01, 3:26:19]: The sanitation rate. And remember that's only the last X one year. So we see some growth, probably offset the the payout of those. We'll see some offset there. When we when should we uh see that we're advertising for people to follow that? I think that's already correct on this. Is it we ready advertising for the sanitation rebut? [3:26:20, 3:26:21]: Yeah, we have a time. [3:26:22, 3:26:23]: I'm sorry. [3:26:24, 3:26:26]: Can I poll in best please? [3:26:30, 3:26:46]: It was announced in Henry Hill. It's also posted on the city website and uh it's gonna social media point that I I received all day from a residence about that they were applying its clarification on the proposed rebate between the three so people are informed and they do know it's like I said article today. [3:26:46, 3:26:51]: Those actually pull off all of that. Yes. Okay. [3:26:53, 3:26:55]: Yeah, but for Mr. [3:26:55, 3:26:59]: I just have a comment. I'm very much now interested in bringing um [3:27:02, 3:27:02]: Per me. [3:27:03, 3:27:09]: We were bringing some information to you guys um at our next meeting later and some cost analysis did but [3:27:09, 3:27:13]: Think we'll be able to run the side if we're able to move in that direction. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. [3:27:13, 3:27:25]: No other questions. Thank you, sir. I guess uh we'll be looking forward to uh second reading. Yes sir. [3:27:28, 3:27:31]: Oh Mayor. Hello, sir. All right. Yeah, the presentation in front of you. [3:27:32, 3:27:33]: [12456.5, 12476.5]: I think we skip over just a little bit, even with the first read is considered a public hearing. So I think we'd have to actually ask if there's anything on the pose FY budget. All righty. Uh uh Paul, thank you very much. Okay, anybody from our far left side is uh in uh favor of the for the first public hearing over the budget from this year from the left side. [3:27:56, 3:28:02]: Anybody don't far right? Anybody on my sixty that's good comments from far left. [3:28:02, 3:28:08]: Right. Oh guess. Okay. Come on up, please. Name and name uh address and get himself right. [3:28:10, 3:28:30]: Oh my name is Ann Fields. My address is 329 Chase. Marion Ray McDonough. I um I just had uh request the point about um you're establishing a three seven seven milit is that the signage for the stuff stockage tasks, correct? Or so you're just reestablishing that for what's been approved. Okay. And um you're resting a four percent cost. [3:28:30, 3:28:30]: Just mm. [3:28:31, 3:28:33]: Within the documentation that was presented. [3:28:33, 3:28:35]: The four percent cost of living increases that [3:28:36, 3:28:37]: For the workers or [3:28:38, 3:28:43]: And my last question is they presented two million in and two million out on the alligator, so it was a wash, there was no revenue. [3:28:45, 3:29:05]: I don't know I don't know about two million, two million now. So the amplifier is funded at is projected funded at two million dollars that we pay into it. Right. Remember because we had a retreat. No companies, no these events do not always make with a communities. They're like pox and recognition. You want the pox of creation to actually the intrinsic value of the community. That's why it's built. [3:29:04, 3:29:13]: We had that guy. We're two million dollars for operations at the end of I24. Thank you for your time. Okay. [3:29:13, 3:29:18]: Public hearing is now closed. All right, then uh no need for motion, I think could another reading come. Okay, Mr Becker. [3:29:19, 3:29:39]: And new business we'll talk about homestead exemptions. Yes, sir. If you would flip over the title page, the second page. Yes, sir. Let's talk about the process due to the home exemption. This month, the next mall is maybe muscle. Can choose the cafeteria of of uh various homestead exemptions, what you might like you won't. Then um we work with city attorney to come up with uh resolution for you to approve in the legislature to uh adopt. [3:29:39, 3:29:41]: [12581.9, 12598.5]: The legislature meets January twenty fourth, twenty four, and ask bill each homestead exemption to pick four to be full bills or six to be bills. Governor has the june thirtieth necessary to sign the bill. November fifth residents will actually approve or not approve homestead exemption. If you would turn to the next. [3:30:02, 3:30:09]: January through May of twenty five, residents will apply for homestead exemptions. July twenty five, you'll digest for twenty-five and set your millage rate. [3:30:10, 3:30:26]: Uh digest will deduct the total pay of those exemptions. And so your three point seven seven will bring in less money uh than the this year by the exemptions. In December twenty-five, mayor and council will collect taxes and the residents would actually get the break property tax from whatever homestead exemptions they've approved. Turn to the next page. [3:30:27, 3:30:30]: [12630.4, 12650.4]: You see L one is regular homestead exemption in in Henry County that the in an owner occupied house, no matter what their age is, if file for a homestead exemption, they get four thousand exemption from any military rate levied by the state, fifteen thousand by the county, zero from the school board counseling outland. Heard you mention they got twenty three bills. They don't offer a homestead from their school bond. [3:30:50, 3:31:10]: On the school M and O, they offered 4,000 for home exemption. And the school two is 62. You can see the exemptions there. L three is 65. See the exemptions there. L 6 is 68 and older. You can see the exemptions there. L9 70 and older. See the exemptions there. L 12 will be totally disabled under the age of 65. And go to the right, these exemptions are automatic. [3:31:10, 3:31:15]: They're um in place by George Legislature. You can see the ex amounts they change every year, but the legislature approves. [3:31:15, 3:31:20]: And so you actually howl these home settings no matter what you do, because it's by predate law. [3:31:20, 3:31:21]: Turn to the next phase. [3:31:23, 3:31:28]: Here at the cafeteria of uh exemptions, um I have put together along with his staff. [3:31:29, 3:31:30]: Uh L one, the regular exemption. [3:31:31, 3:31:36]: There are three thousand three hundred eighty eight homes in the city of Stockbridge that get the Henry County exemption. [3:31:36, 3:31:42]: If you offered uh ten thousand, you see the county's fifteen thousand, put ten thousand there for you. [3:31:42, 3:31:45]: It would reduce your taxes by one hundred and seven thousand dollars annual. [3:31:46, 3:31:47]: You can see the neck down. [3:31:47, 3:31:54]: Age sixty two, the hundred and ninety tombs in the sea lips of college park. And by the way this includes the annex Air Well, sir. [3:31:55, 3:32:01]: What'd I say? I'm worried now by beat I know you're worked more than you. [3:32:02, 3:32:22]: Stock bridge. So age sixty-two, Henry County offers fifteen thousand. There are 192 segments bridge. 10,000 what we've prepared for host exemption. It would reduce your tax burden by$7,238 sections. You can see the L three sixty five, there are two hundred and seventy-six present that will qualify for that based on the uh amount that qualify for the Henry County. [3:32:22, 3:32:32]: Exemption ten thousand uh exemption there and just all it's exemption is if you had a hundred thousand dollar house, it's assessed four percent, forty thousand, you would deduct these numbers from that four thousand dollar figure. [3:32:32, 3:32:34]: So it's a deduction from the assessment. [3:32:35, 3:32:53]: Eight state, one hundred ninety six there, fifty thousand there. Uh you had asked or own SIC tank. There are no cities or counties or school boards such an exemption. We put that in there and there's some data that the city has that there are four hundred twenty seven homes in City of Stockbridge that will get that. Eight five thousand, it'd be a eight thousand reduction exemptions. You all c can choose [3:32:54, 3:33:01]: Numbers if you want to go up down and then I can I have an Excel spreadsheet we'll spit out what the numbers be. Age seventy thousand and ninety eight residence stockage. [3:33:02, 3:33:06]: We have a twelve five thousand dollar exemption for A seven D and older it'd be a hundred three thousand dollar reduction. [3:33:06, 3:33:13]: Then totally disabled age six five three five, there's sixty eight resistance operations. We gave twenty five thousand of them at sixty four hundred dollars reduction. [3:33:13, 3:33:16]: And then the ones below are the ones that are automatic based on the state. [3:33:17, 3:33:21]: And so you can see that annually it would three hundred seventy five thousand dollars reduction [3:33:21, 3:33:31]: in the taxes that you would collect, I think I or three seven seven mills up at the top you can see where it brings six million eight hundred and eighty two thousand. So you would take three hundred and seventy five thousand off of that. [3:33:31, 3:33:47]: As you change these exhibition numbers, you make them higher, then it'll be more lower it'll be less. That's mayor. [3:33:47, 3:33:58]: So fifteen thousand is what currently gives. Fifteen thousand is what Henry County currently gives for that exemption and the manager and I just picked ten thousand for you. There's no magic. You could pick fifty twelve or more or less. [3:34:00, 3:34:13]: And part of our assess was and you all set the miller seven seven mills at real skinny amount. And so you already gave all the residents, no matter whether they had a home dead exemption or not, lower millage rate than the last would get. If you remember we recommended a higher amount. [3:34:13, 3:34:21]: Yeah, I I got the but she's gonna look at Henry John Ray. I wouldn't like the uh post that on the case. So just put the exact number in [3:34:22, 3:34:39]: Like I've said before, you when you bring citizens into the city, they got all the tax interests with the county. I understand it but they we invite them, but it just becomes uh interesting when now they're paying uh for an area they didn't have to be that makes any interest. [3:34:39, 3:34:45]: So I'll run where we make your exemptions exactly equal what county gives. Not to what number is. [3:34:49, 3:34:50]: While I'm doing that, we can take other questions. [3:34:51, 3:34:58]: I I don't know the question right now, I gotta s you know, kinda read this and kinda stick it in a private device or question full a little later. Anyway, Mr. Zanguy, sir. [3:34:58, 3:35:18]: That my point is keep us we set the millage at three point seven seven, which is the lower possible. So certainly uh what may end up happening is we certainly wouldn't want to have a re vote to raise raise taxes uh after sitting the millage at three point seven seven. So might be vote to um'cause'cause given everybody [3:35:18, 3:35:29]: Basically homestead uh exhibition with a three point seven lowest rate possible. Might it be possible to just uh maybe apply for it and then not have it apply until maybe the following year. [3:35:30, 3:35:44]: Yes, sir. Mayor. So uh councilman Blount I went in and gave the exact name stock bridge which is a county down at seventy and totally disabled. I lowered those twenty five thousand dollars to fifteen thousand dollar amount and all that total now is forty four thousand versus three seventy five. [3:35:47, 3:35:48]: Yes, sir. [3:35:49, 3:35:51]: Okay. [3:35:55, 3:35:58]: With East because brought in some minutes from the [3:35:58, 3:36:04]: from the uh uncovered areas that release off what they've already been using. That's how it gets quite [3:36:04, 3:36:07]: They're paying well a tax. [3:36:07, 3:36:09]: But they didn't have all the VS stuff. [3:36:10, 3:36:25]: And think that with with the amount that you're talking about. Uh it's a fact that it's lower than I thought of. Me too. That's why I hope I would hope I would hope that this council would have been a member to to actually bring the amount at the same [3:36:25, 3:36:38]: uh footprint of this if a more blueprint will be channel uh that would be the future argument for anybody to say hey this is the same foot blueprint that you're dealing with economic before you came to see the doctor. [3:36:38, 3:36:47]: I would like to have this council, either in November or December, actually approve what said exemptions are so we can ask legislators to get started in January. [3:36:47, 3:36:55]: All right, so what I guess so it's on us so I guess to whether or not do it later on at work sessions month or do it the at this eleventh uh meeting that we have but we're gonna face now. [3:36:55, 3:37:10]: Well, Mill, um I think that there was a a wish put on the on the Conservative Council feels that we should match everything that Henry County matches. Then realized that that total other than what was recommended by us was four hundred and four versus three hundred and seventy five. That's the wish of council. Um [3:37:11, 3:37:31]: It's roughly twenty seven twenty seven dollars. So if that's the we'll put we'll we'll put that up um together and that's what we'll send to the state for them to ratify and if they do put on the November ballot twenty twenty four and effect twenty two five. And what we'll do mayor is prepare a resolution with city attorney that had you approve a resolution. Right. [3:37:31, 3:37:51]: Legislation. It wouldn't be in effect in twenty twenty four in the right. So that's my thing. I know we're talking about you know a hundred thousand dollars. That's a big that's a deal with what we are in terms of uh [3:37:51, 3:37:51]: Well. [3:37:52, 3:38:12]: Well, i if you if you do it four hundred thousand as a percentage of your overall budget is very is low below percent overall, right? Um percentage um but uh point eight percent. Well three point seven seven was uh was basically a balanced budget though, right? And and and I and yeah, and so understand that if [3:38:12, 3:38:17]: But now back in a deficit. [3:38:17, 3:38:19]: So you'll have deep data in it. [3:38:19, 3:38:20]: The the new [3:38:21, 3:38:24]: Well you can f you talk in four. [3:38:24, 3:38:29]: Right. But what I'm saying is whatever you boot, is it three seventy five or four four or five hundred [3:38:30, 3:38:38]: That's predicated on values being out times the military. If those values stay the same or drop, basically danger in the economic risk, your president's election next year, right? [3:38:38, 3:38:42]: And based on the skill of a economic change and outlook. [3:38:42, 3:38:56]: But we're talking next year. Mayor, if you don't mind. I just want to make sure that you understand whatever you want to do. But I understand it, but what what but what I'm saying is if we can stand up here and we can prove this and approve that, we can pay we pay seventeen thousand dollars last week for license. [3:38:56, 3:39:16]: But we're talking about something like homestead exemption that especially the citizen we brought in. And then but we only we're not talking about four thousand dollars, we're talking about two thousand five thousand dollars on top of what was already present. No, so this is what was recommended that five thousand is not there currently. This is just our recommendation. Right what I like to think about if I can quantify for you in terms [3:39:16, 3:39:36]: terms, four hundred four thousand is equivalent to point two two mils. All things being the same, if you grant the exemptions, you need to go up from three point seven seven to to whatever three point seven plus point two is. But the reason I'm the reason I'm saying this because I thought that three point seven seven meals was all staff to to drop the trash. Not saying that, you know, not in [3:39:36, 3:39:52]: And the l what I mean about whatever spending that we have, that we we we we remove that and we look down the line on everything and pertain to spending staff members we uh whatever we need to do. That's what I thought it has to do. Mr. You got you got to I was kinda going. [3:39:52, 3:39:56]: Okay. [3:39:56, 3:40:11]: Yeah, yeah. Uh until council and as we grow or we exceed the number. I I keep wanting this council to understand you have equal income, you will add people and new things to the city. You will not be raised in twenty twelve or two thousand. [3:40:11, 3:40:14]: Keep an eye on you on your way to fifty thousand people. [3:40:14, 3:40:22]: The city is growing. The wants and the needs are different from where they are today compared to where they were a few ago. When I moved here in two thousand, Paul Stevens could be a loaded I want. [3:40:22, 3:40:23]: Two years [3:40:24, 3:40:42]: Indeed prepare. That's gonna happen everywhere as time goes on with our development. I just want to keep the council. Yes. We certainly keep the residents on it and it's up to the council to determine which one that's when we move forward with as the council we do take that home example. Yes. We do have rent who need that relief and and obviously to the city. I hardly I just want everybody to understand there's a cause and effect, right? [3:40:42, 3:40:45]: If you if you give them citizens this your degree should should happen. [3:40:46, 3:40:48]: Recognize that that comes off whatever top you collect. [3:40:49, 3:40:51]: Whether it's un or ten percent, you give it back. [3:40:51, 3:40:53]: That's it. [3:40:53, 3:40:56]: That's gonna back into the road. We'll increase those ex somebody do. [3:40:57, 3:40:59]: Right. We see a a rise of digest. [3:40:59, 3:41:00]: And date schools. [3:41:00, 3:41:01]: Really road back. [3:41:02, 3:41:06]: Or you can still give more to residents. Those those options are gonna be open to us as we go forward in time. [3:41:07, 3:41:13]: But yes, they need the reliefs. Whatever that relief is, we'll work with that numbers, recognize doesn't correct. [3:41:13, 3:41:25]: This year then take back twenty four, th those tax exemptions take effect in twenty twenty five. That's when they come to fair. I'm gonna agree with you on and I understand that and I get it. But [3:41:26, 3:41:28]: Every year that I've been on. [3:41:28, 3:41:39]: I have s waste in the butt. I've made a recommendation. I see you shaking your head. That's no, I agree, but y you could just not every in this council know that. But we have chose not to cut Blount. [3:41:40, 3:41:40]: They at least. [3:41:41, 3:41:43]: And last year the year four. [3:41:43, 3:41:52]: I ran over a million dollars in saving and cuts, but we we didn't do that. So I'm just saying that media equal up to the satisfaction for both. But I'm just saying. [3:41:52, 3:41:54]: We waste a lot. And and [3:41:56, 3:42:03]: You're right. You know, you could go in any budget f find what you potentially see as waste. About what this council understand. [3:42:04, 3:42:19]: You own a private business. Business is a public business. You buy services. Yours public business goes. Yeah, and I'm gonna agree with you. I really do. I just wanted I s I wanted to make sure I say this in on the record because I want to make sure you heard what I said. So and we But the council, as you know, once [3:42:19, 3:42:20]: Were you four months? [3:42:21, 3:42:23]: We got if you have any recommendations, please send them to us. [3:42:23, 3:42:27]: The budget was in the council in July. We went over the uh August East. [3:42:28, 3:42:29]: Budget retreat. Well you don't mind [3:42:30, 3:42:32]: But and and this is one other thing I was [3:42:32, 3:42:37]: If we want to be the against the Rodwells and the Alfred and so forth, we want to be able to make it a little better. [3:42:38, 3:42:40]: I I play as council academies made up the budget. [3:42:41, 3:42:43]: This part is Julian Montpellier Winnie, it's done. [3:42:43, 3:42:47]: They've gone through the cuts, they've gone through the process, and they come to the read of the budget, you don't see the bunch of numbers. [3:42:48, 3:42:49]: Coloque o virou um bonito. [3:42:50, 3:42:51]: No sound your comment. [3:42:52, 3:43:12]: Let me just say Mr. Blount, I agree with everything said. I'm not opposition to anything you said. I certainly support it. Uh I want the home stakes if you come, but I did want to make sure that we made a point that it leave somewhat of a hole there. But certainly I'm gonna vote for every opportunity to give the citizens uh relief uh that they ask for. Um in defense of the city of Durance Council vote [3:43:12, 3:43:17]: Everybody can make suggestions, but we vote and we have in order to ratify any change. So he makes a [3:43:17, 3:43:37]: Thank you for putting the budget together, but we have to have three vote to approve any any changes to the budget. So we have to say we have to accept whatever there is or whatever the changes is because three votes vote to approve the final budget. So any of us have to get consensus among our group. So incident puts the budget together, but we vote uh three of us to approve it for any change. [3:43:37, 3:43:39]: Correct. [3:43:40, 3:44:00]: Yes. That's how it works here. So I might make some suggestions many of us make suggestions. We gotta have three votes so that it may happen. So thank you. So asking for this is to come up with not we just gave you a resolution and we don't forward for so for approval or send approval and whatnot, and that is going to be at end of the work session this month or that in December. We can bring in the work session. We have enough time we can make things necessary. I mean we literally did the spreadsheet. [3:43:59, 3:44:17]: Okay. Yeah, yes sir. I would like to see uh if any way possible to have those numbers ones of the uh Henry County because it's not that big of a difference in in it in the function. [3:44:17, 3:44:18]: With half a hand. [3:44:18, 3:44:20]: I'd I'd go back to [3:44:20, 3:44:26]: Yeah. Uh you know, it's a task standard to make that happen. [3:44:26, 3:44:33]: Uh if it's it's not enough, it's fifty thousand over then we save fifty thousand dollars square a year. We c and cut the home that is. [3:44:34, 3:44:54]: All right. So comments. Let me read so thank you gentlemen for that. 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[3:46:14, 3:46:25]: past Friday, which was the tenth, which is a Marine Corps birthday. So fantastic time enjoyed the entire weekend across our area in reference to other and meals and and vanity that they had to honor the service, like you may say. [3:46:26, 3:46:46]: My comments to COVID nineteen flu shots. Still need to get those COVID nineteen uh booters and take your flu shots since we're in the win months now. And happy Thanksgiving, everybody. Please enjoy uh Thanksgiving holiday with your families and Mr. Washington, your stump sir, because I think I'm session. Just very clear, we did give uh we won't give you all a C D A um agreement. If already it's ready to go. [3:46:46, 3:46:55]: Okay. So you So we can vote on it? Is ready you've already proved it, James McCain? Okay. We can vote on it now? Yes. [3:46:56, 3:47:07]: The city might develop an authority agreement. Council Gamp had some suggestions and changes that she wanted to incorporate in the document. We were settfully able to incorporate those council to consider that now they have the ability to do that we also would on today. [3:47:09, 3:47:13]: So it's all follow on that one. But those those are past that you are beginning immediately. [3:47:14, 3:47:19]: What was uh motion made? Second. Okay. From okay from uh Mr. Blanc to Mr. [3:47:20, 3:47:36]: Oh okay, see now's decision is done. Okay, thank you, sir. On that note session, so I need to end our okay. A second. Okay. No more. [3:47:37, 3:47:40]: Oh well it's like a second man. [3:47:40, 3:47:42]: We don't have to if you don't want to. [3:47:43, 3:47:43]: We can do that. [3:47:44, 3:47:48]: What uh if I don't think we have anything to talk about from ask for a motion in the meeting. [3:47:49, 3:47:50]: Okay, move to adjourn. Is there a [3:47:52, 3:47:53]: [13673.8, 13679.4]: I think once I think the managers and since you all did adopt that he's warning about transfer property pursuant to the grant. [3:47:59, 3:48:13]: The Is that that excession topic? It will be executive session and um I will say that I've spoken to the um executive session to do that. I did spoke with the agent of the um potential buyer. [3:48:13, 3:48:17]: Um do want to set up a meeting with me and Mr. Lance and probably Miss Um [3:48:19, 3:48:35]: And Michelle. So it might be might be preferred for us so we can tell the twenty eight service the outcome of that meeting and the agenda. So we could read we can read and tell that. Okay, more information that would potentially want to do that. I know we didn't move the journal meeting. [3:48:36, 3:48:39]: Author cleaning the gate, but we're not gonna cover the ships. [3:48:40, 3:48:41]: We're good.

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2023-10-30 source: 2023-10-30_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:12:46, 0:12:57]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, uh let's get started. I have uh let's see here, six oh two. I'd like to call our city council work session um Monday, October thirtieth, to order. [0:12:59, 0:13:02]: Invocation, Carrie Stevens, could you come forward please? Please stand. [0:13:07, 0:13:08]: Evening. [0:13:12, 0:13:13]: City Council. [0:13:13, 0:13:25]: wonderful city staff and city residents. I pray that we will have a successful meeting in all the business that we are attending to this evening. And I also pray for the citizens of the Atlanto region. [0:13:33, 0:13:50]: Amen. For the uh for the pledge of allegiance, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:13:50, 0:13:52]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:13:55, 0:13:55]: Yeah. [0:13:56, 0:13:58]: Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. [0:13:58, 0:13:59]: Alexander. [0:14:01, 0:14:10]: But the record reflect Councilman Alexander is not in attendance. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. Present. Councilman Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have [0:14:11, 0:14:20]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. I appreciate that. Uh Council, I'd like to uh have a motion to amend the agenda to remove item number six. [0:14:21, 0:14:22]: Item number six to be removed. [0:14:24, 0:14:26]: Some moved. Okay, is there a second? [0:14:27, 0:14:30]: Mr. Blount Secondat. All in favor, please indicate. [0:14:32, 0:14:39]: Okay, thank you very much. Znamus on that aspect. And then I received a um a email message earlier today and I believe you all got it as well. [0:14:40, 0:14:53]: uh motion to amend the agenda to have a uh uh for state representative Angela Moore to have a Christ Christmas event here in Stockbridge. Is there a motion to accept this to attitude agenda for discussion? [0:14:55, 0:15:01]: So moved. I second. Okay. From uh Miss Gantt to uh Miss Barber. All in favor, please indicate. [0:15:02, 0:15:22]: Okay, so what we'll do, we'll put that item at number six. We took number six away and we'll put the and in place of that we'll put this item uh for this particular discussion of this Christmas event. And uh at number six. No item number six. I I switched them out. Okay, on that number. [0:15:22, 0:15:25]: Note, I need a motion to accept the rest of the agenda, please. [0:15:25, 0:15:45]: Mr. Blount, I think a second. I second. Okay. Okay, I saw Ms. Barber's hand. I'll give it to her in a second. All in favor, please indicate. Thank you very much. All right. Now on that note uh review of the minutes, the remove of the minutes of September eleventh, twenty twenty-three, the council um meeting we have. So we got draft minutes there as well as the council work session. [0:15:45, 0:15:57]: on the 26th. So take a look at those. We'll approve those at our next uh monthly uh council meeting. If there are any changes or additions or things that need to be done, please talk to that with the clerk. [0:15:57, 0:15:58]: On that note, uh [0:15:59, 0:16:01]: Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments at all? [0:16:02, 0:16:19]: Okay, thank you very much. Uh we'll go to a consent agenda and that is a resolution support the award of a D D uh RLF application by the Downtown Development Authority of Stockbridge for the Downtown Project located at 132 MLK Senior Heritage Trail. [0:16:19, 0:16:31]: And this is on behalf of the uh Nola Bri uh Briscoe and Dacri Bar L C and I believe that uh Miss uh uh Kara Harris Braggs will be d giving that presentation. [0:16:34, 0:16:35]: Yes, ma'am. [0:16:37, 0:16:45]: No n no I'm not, but is there no, I'm not moving it from'cause I have no intention to do that. I mean I I didn't know whether or not she needs to get wife called [0:16:46, 0:16:46]: Okay. [0:16:49, 0:16:58]: All right, no problem. Appreciate appreciate you asking. No, I'm not gonna remove anything at this point. I mean the items there, I don't know if any council have any questions or not. If not, we can go ahead straight to to a motion to approve. [0:16:59, 0:17:01]: So moved. Okay. Is there a second? [0:17:03, 0:17:03]: Is there a second? [0:17:04, 0:17:10]: Second. Okay, Mr. Alexander second that from Gantt of Gantt to Alexander. If there are no questions, then all in favor please indicate. [0:17:11, 0:17:14]: Okay, opposed? Is it unanimous? [0:17:16, 0:17:23]: Is there a presentation? There there is not a not necessarily. If there are only qu I asked if there are any questions and there are no questions thus far, it's on the consent agenda. [0:17:27, 0:17:28]: Right, okay. [0:17:29, 0:17:29]: Right. [0:17:29, 0:17:32]: Okay, so Mayor Ford, I have a question. [0:17:32, 0:17:48]: What's your question? Well uh well what's your question? Go ahead please. This item has been placed on the consent agenda. This is the first time that I've um been made aware the council has already discussed this. I was not aware of it. So that's why I'm asking. [0:17:55, 0:17:58]: the application that was submitted to the um Department of Community Affairs. [0:17:59, 0:18:11]: for a downtime involving loan fund application and it was actually approved by the um state that they would be able to receive this um funding from the downtime involving loan fund. [0:18:12, 0:18:15]: And now it is a requirement from DCA. [0:18:20, 0:18:24]: saying that they are in support of this particular development in the town. [0:18:25, 0:18:39]: Thank you. I just was not aware that it would be placed as a item on the consent agenda. I thought that would be something that we would discuss amongst us on whether or not to put it on the consent agenda. But I do support this though. [0:18:39, 0:18:42]: I approve of it. Thank you. So mayor. Yes, yes, sir. Go ahead, please. [0:18:43, 0:18:46]: Uh, when was the item placed on consent agenda? [0:18:48, 0:18:52]: I I would uh probably have to go talk to the city manager. [0:18:53, 0:18:54]: Mm-hmm. [0:18:55, 0:19:05]: Good evening very common. Go evening sir. City doesn't collect anything. Um we submitted the application. This is the first time in the city's stock register, the city has been on what [0:19:07, 0:19:09]: Is a business assistance program. [0:19:09, 0:19:11]: Mr. Garden, sorry to cut you off. [0:19:12, 0:19:26]: I I mean I I I fully understand what's going on. I'm just asking when was it placed under consent? Well part of putting the agenda together, recognizing that really really and truly consists of public support. If we don't support it we still get through the key part we still do it. [0:19:26, 0:19:28]: How long has it been on the consent agenda? [0:19:30, 0:19:43]: Okay, gotcha. Oh, I have a question. Who put sh I think the concern was He did he did. City Manager You did. Okay. City Manager did. And so we approved it. But we had a discussion when, Miss Braggs? [0:19:44, 0:19:50]: was several months ago. I don't know the exact date, but um Mr. Kelly Locks brought forward [0:19:54, 0:19:54]: Yeah. [0:20:00, 0:20:00]: Yes. [0:20:08, 0:20:18]: Thank you. I just wanna make sure because this is not new. This is something that we had already discussed. Okay. Well that's what excuse me. Go ahead. Go ahead, sir. That's what I was getting to. None of this is new. [0:20:19, 0:20:26]: And we was all present and we all knew about this. This is something that was fully given to the council. [0:20:26, 0:20:29]: And all we're doing today, reason is on the consent agenda. [0:20:29, 0:20:33]: Because it's something that we all want to move forward with. [0:20:34, 0:20:54]: This is nothing new. This is nothing being hid. This is something that we were all aware of. Thank you. Mayor. Yes, sir. Yeah, as the Downtown Development Authority, uh liaison, certainly it's a program that uh we've been working on for a couple of years now. I honestly uh it's something exciting that the downtown [0:20:54, 0:21:14]: Development authority was anxiously waiting to see happen. Uh, I think uh it's a$1.2 million dollar project in downtown. It's an outstanding thing. So certainly I think we unanimous support would be in order for all of us. And I'm sure Ms. Bragg is extremely excited about the fact we're moving forward. [0:21:13, 0:21:21]: with a one point two million dollar loan fully approved by the state and through the private industry for our downtown, correct? [0:21:22, 0:21:42]: Yes, and I will say that um this also is a feather in the cap of the city of Stockbridge, especially for their downtown district, because this will be the first DDRLF um project that has happened in the city of Stockbridge. So that is going to put us on the map with regard to DCA and their consideration for future. [0:21:42, 0:21:43]: future projects. [0:21:43, 0:21:46]: Absolutely. Outstanding. Okay. Thank you. [0:21:47, 0:21:58]: No no take another vote again or we're we're good. We took the vote. I thought we took a vote earlier, right? All right. Come to turn? Yeah we already voted. That's what I thought. Okay. And uh that passes I think with the unanimous decision now. [0:22:00, 0:22:01]: Is that correct? [0:22:01, 0:22:02]: Miss Barber? [0:22:03, 0:22:08]: Okay. All right. On that note, thank you, Ms. Brad. Thank you. [0:22:10, 0:22:30]: New business. Council consideration to approve the intergovernmental agreement IGA between the City of Stockbridge and the Citywide Development Authority. Council consideration to approve submission of the grant application for a recreational trail program for restaurant facilities at the west end of Rees Creek Trail off of Flippin' Road. Let's see stop. [0:22:30, 0:22:50]: The city of Stockbridge will submit a grant application for the recreation trail program with estimated total project costs of$450,000. The grant will require a minimum of$20,$90,000 match. The city will commit to a$50 that$50%, which is$225,000 match using SPLOS 5 funds, which will be [0:22:50, 0:23:08]: reimbursable reimbursed by the grant. The grant application states that if the city commits no more than 20% required match, the applicant will receive additional scoring points. So the city will commit to a 50% match. And this is presented by Mr. Jeremy Goodwin. Thank you, sir, please. [0:23:08, 0:23:11]: Yes, ma'am. Are we moving past number [0:23:11, 0:23:13]: Did I skip one? I asked. [0:23:17, 0:23:22]: Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I thought when it went over to the next I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Oh, [0:23:23, 0:23:40]: So okay. Miss Aeroshaw looks to where it was there. What's going on here? Okay, I'm sorry. I did read that and I went to the next page. I'm sorry. So Kim Alons, he's not is he here? Once again, this is council consideration to approve the intergovernmental IGA between the city of Stockbridge and Citywide Development Authority. [0:23:42, 0:23:46]: And I have Quentin okay. Mr. Gardner, all right. [0:23:50, 0:23:51]: Could it be? [0:23:51, 0:23:52]: All right, go ahead, please. [0:23:54, 0:23:55]: All right. [0:24:03, 0:24:09]: Yes, sir. Uh good evening again, man council. Uh apologize, Kim wasn't here tonight, so we're here in his stead. [0:24:10, 0:24:17]: Um tonight you have before you the IGA and the governmental agreement between the City of Stockbridge and the Citywide Development Authority. [0:24:18, 0:24:38]: It's been reviewed heavily by uh staff, legal staff, as well as the legal counsel for the development authority. Uh and staff has obviously um approved us moving forward with the intergovernmental agreement. I think there was one this one's note we need to talk about. We have the shell the consent. [0:24:38, 0:24:43]: Right. This counts as away. And so I wasn't. [0:24:45, 0:24:51]: The concern with the document is the shall versus the May provisions, the shall meaning a being what the [0:24:52, 0:25:10]: the C DA assumes as the DDA did about it being a contract and that the May not being strong enough for a contract. But if that is the will of council, that's what the contract will say and we will make sure that that's reflected in the document before it's signed. [0:25:11, 0:25:24]: Um mayor. Yeah, go ahead please. Okay, so I have looked over some of this, but it wasn't me that addressed this concern for this. I actually addressed it during the D DA intergovernmental and I agree that it should be May. I don't want to be obligated [0:25:25, 0:25:26]: To anything. [0:25:26, 0:25:37]: Ever. Even though we're going to, you know, of course we're gonna assist our D DA, our development authority, anything else, I would never agree to the the language shell. [0:25:38, 0:25:55]: No, and that and that's why I took that from the last one. If that's the will of council, we'll make sure that's reflected in here. But that's what we just caught. But I'll in the resolution and the authorizing resolution which they did submit to us, which we have, it does give the authority to go back through and make sure that we express counsel's intent. [0:25:56, 0:26:16]: I'm not ready to look. I'm not ready, sir. Please. Yes, I think uh it would be fair to the representatives who were not here or the DA who were not here for the D D A portion. Uh certainly the intent is to give you the money. The intent is to give you the money every single year, but because of the past history of dealing with [0:26:16, 0:26:35]: outside entities we want to reserve the right and that's why it's being changed to May. Uh but the intent is to always give you the money, barring some legal uh rigmarole that her c like occurred several years ago. So uh that is the will of the council that to do that in that fashion. [0:26:36, 0:26:36]: [1597.2, 1613.2]: But we're specifically talking about section two point one and following, which says the initial budget of forty five thousand and shall be seventy five thousand dollars as such after the amount the city may approve. And so making sure that we put may be in there. [0:26:53, 0:26:54]: So I'm [0:26:58, 0:26:59]: I don't think I'm ready to vote. [0:26:59, 0:27:00]: So what? [0:27:01, 0:27:05]: I don't think I'm ready to vote. I'm sorry, Miss Um Shaw. [0:27:06, 0:27:07]: I'm sorry because [0:27:11, 0:27:13]: I wanna look back over the agreement some more. [0:27:14, 0:27:16]: Any other comments from the council? [0:27:18, 0:27:19]: Um [0:27:19, 0:27:23]: And I no I'm not just referring to that language, that one section. [0:27:24, 0:27:28]: We actually changed language throughout the d the D DAs. [0:27:28, 0:27:33]: agreement from Shall to May. There are some places in here that probably [0:27:33, 0:27:35]: We could keep the language shell. [0:27:36, 0:27:36]: But [0:27:37, 0:27:44]: I don't have it in PDF version or a Word doc that I can do a search to see where that language, particular language is. [0:27:44, 0:27:47]: And that means rushing through this. [0:27:48, 0:27:51]: to make sure that everything is there. [0:27:52, 0:27:54]: Mr Blount, do you have a comment? [0:27:55, 0:28:14]: Yeah, I'm I'm pretty much in concurrent uh concurrence with uh councilman getting b did we get I don't remember saying all the changes, but you're s you're saying specifically there was just one change?'Cause I thought we had discussed quite a bit myself when we uh talked about it. So w we can go back and check but the major changes [0:28:14, 0:28:18]: Or the major changes were c surrounding uh money with the shall and the may. [0:28:18, 0:28:21]: And so when upon review [0:28:22, 0:28:40]: That's not the language in here. And so but part of what we do so the council is sure that we check these things is that we upon passage make sure that we take whatever the clerk's notes are in you all's comments and we incorporate that in them before it goes to the mayor for signature. [0:28:41, 0:28:45]: But yes, if you all wanna still look at this. [0:28:45, 0:28:46]: That's your program. [0:28:46, 0:28:47]: You had a comment, sir. [0:28:48, 0:28:49]: Yes. Um [0:28:52, 0:29:12]: Ms. Gantt, Councilmember Gantt, if if it's the uh Xiao versus May, if we if we can treat that as scribble's note with the approval to move forward and make those necessary changes, would that be fine? And the reason why I'm asking is this obviously has an uh impact on something I'll be discussing with you guys later. [0:29:12, 0:29:18]: that needs to happen, um and having an agreement in place would assist with that process. [0:29:21, 0:29:30]: Any other comments why Ms. Gantt's thinking about that answer? Yeah, Mayor, for you for me, I'm I'm in agre I'm in agreement that we do wanna find progress. [0:29:30, 0:29:31]: Um [0:29:31, 0:29:33]: Because we're seeing for us. [0:29:33, 0:29:35]: Myself, I'm saying entities that [0:29:36, 0:29:39]: and changes that are happening that we're seeing um [0:29:40, 0:29:51]: aggressiveness for seeking businesses and and developers into the city like I've never seen since I've been on this council. So we definitely want to make sure that those entities are [0:29:51, 0:30:04]: funded how we can fund them and move how we can move. I just wanna make sure that contractually we we're still protected as our right to do certain things under the contract and I and I hadn't s you know looked at that. [0:30:06, 0:30:14]: May I if I can, can we table this and treat this as the last item after we get out of executive session? [0:30:14, 0:30:27]: All right, I'll tell you what. Um council is that uh Mr. Gardner has made a recommendation. Is there a motion to accept that recommendation to move this device item for tonight? So moved. Okay, is there a second? Mr. Blount second, all in favor please indicate. [0:30:28, 0:30:35]: All right, we'll move to the last item at the end of the agenda then. All right, so that will go all the way down to [0:30:36, 0:30:45]: Now you when you say to well actually it'd be num be consider number come after number nine. Okay. We'll we'll go from there. Now [0:30:45, 0:31:05]: Let me go back to this again. Obviously, since I skipped it initially. Once again, Council Consideration approved the submission of a grant application for the recreational trail program for restroom facilities at the west end of Rees Creek Trail off Flippin' Road. The City of Stockbridge will submit a grant application for the recreational trail program with the estimated total project cost. [0:31:05, 0:31:25]: Of$450,000. The grant will require a minimum of$20%$90,000 match. The city will commit to a$50%$225,000 match using SPLOS 5 funds, which will be reimbursed by the grant. The grant application states that if the city commits to more than 20% required match, the applicant will receive an additional. [0:31:24, 0:31:31]: scoring points. So the city will commit to a 50% match and this is presented once again by Mr. Jeremy Goodwin. Go ahead please sir. [0:31:32, 0:31:50]: Uh good good evening, Mayor and Council. Good evening. Uh we're just asking uh for council to approve um submission of a grant application for the recreational trail program for restroom facilities installed at Reeves Creek Trail off of Flippin' Road, which is at a total estimated cost of four hundred and fifty thousand dollars. [0:31:52, 0:32:06]: Okay, Council, appreciate any questions for Mr. Goodwin in reference to this. Yeah, go ahead, please. Yeah, I just wanna say certainly this is something that we've talked about for a while now. And someone who's walked the trail with a group. [0:32:06, 0:32:10]: over and and then some of the members didn't quite make it back. [0:32:11, 0:32:31]: And then we were looking for a restroom when they got there. And then there's a there's a trip back of a mile and a half. So it really was a problem. So certainly this is something that is encumbered as we move uh forward with our master trail plan that we incorporate restrooms uh into this uh into the planning. So this is the [0:32:30, 0:32:35]: The modular restroom uh prefab unit that'll be going in there. [0:32:35, 0:32:45]: Uh yes, sir. And it will have one stall, two stall uh two So it'll have uh two stalls. So it will be a men's um restroom and a woman's restroom. [0:32:46, 0:33:06]: Okay. Okay. And uh do we have plumbing out there or is that gonna be uh yes, so there will be like a um a sanitary sewer collection that will be pretty much parallel to the road that will tie into a system um I think adjacent to the nearest the intersection. So yes, it will have. That's fortunate because a lot of these end up being on the septic. [0:33:06, 0:33:12]: But certainly it's fortunate that we have water available. So certainly if there's no other questions, I'll make a motion for approval. [0:33:13, 0:33:14]: All right, sir, second that motion. [0:33:14, 0:33:15]: Second. [0:33:15, 0:33:25]: Um Miss Barber second that all favor of that motion, please. I'm sorry, I'm excusing go ahead, sir. What's your question? Um I wouldn't end those discuss. So uh w [0:33:25, 0:33:45]: From where the restroom is gonna be, what would be the length to completion? Whether the trailhead or the the other end? So it's gonna do you you know where the exercise equipment is? Right. It'll be um it'll be adjacent to the left of where the exercise equipment will be. That's where the restroom facility will be installed. So it'll be kind of [0:33:45, 0:34:00]: Kind of right at the trailhead, but right next uh to the exercise equipment at the trailhead. So when it says to the left, that's as you're approaching as you c as you come off of flipping as you approach it, it'll be to your left. Yes, it'll be to your left. As you approach it. So we're actually putting a restroom at at the trailhead. [0:34:01, 0:34:16]: Uh so as you're approaching and you're coming into the parking lot, so the um exercise equipment is right ahead. Right. And right next to to to the left of the exercise equipment, that's where the restroom facility will be installed. [0:34:18, 0:34:19]: Okay. [0:34:21, 0:34:26]: Are any other questions? Um if there are no questions, the motion was made and second. All in favor of motion, please indicate. [0:34:29, 0:34:49]: Yeah security man. Okay. All right. So so we have a unanimous decision then. Thank you. I appreciate it. Okay, we took item number six off, removed that, but we added a m uh the Christmas event for State Representative Angela Moore. Ms. Alexander, you sent a message uh in reference to this, so I would imagine you would have the lead on this discussion. Go ahead, please. [0:34:49, 0:35:09]: Yes, um Representative Moore has brought to us uh which information that we received about an outstanding event that involved in an international partner that she's working with that she wants to bring here to Stockbridge, and that event will be on uh November the twenty-fifth, and the request is to authorize Merle Man. [0:35:09, 0:35:14]: [2116.8, 2136.8]: And what what's my my understanding is right now, I mean we can ch obviously the council can change that, but right now I believe that that um that time frame was was closed off, if I understand correctly from event staff members. So we would have to circ uh circum and change that per se. And it's my also understanding that this wonderful event would be at [0:35:36, 0:35:56]: Right. Certainly I think that it wasn't any uh events and conflict. It was just that that that was blocked out by the staff. So there's no conflict and event. We just need to authorize them to have the facility open on that day. And this is a wonderful opportunity to bring an international partner to the [0:35:56, 0:36:16]: table uh with some nota with some media attention to bring uh this spirit to the town during the holidays with no cost to the city with the partnering with our state representative miss more who has been extremely uh friendly and um worked with the city to uh [0:36:16, 0:36:25]: move forward our measures in the legislature. And that's a Saturday and the time frame, sir, I forgot the uh time frame that would be executed. [0:36:25, 0:36:29]: Okay, hold on, let me pull that up real quick. She sent me a text on it. [0:36:33, 0:36:38]: I believe this is called a Christmas cantata or something like that, something along those lines. Please what's the name former name? [0:36:38, 0:36:46]: Yeah, it's called it's called the it'll be the Lighthouse okay junior choir holiday peace concert. Okay. [0:36:47, 0:36:50]: Oh sorry, is that it? No, that ain't it. It's something new. [0:36:53, 0:37:08]: Right. There'll be brochures with uh all of the information uh attached to it. Uh I don't know if she gave she didn't give me a particular time, but I'm sure she'll be able to finalize that with uh with the sta with the events there. [0:37:08, 0:37:10]: All right. Mayor. Yes, we'll go ahead, please. [0:37:10, 0:37:15]: Well, they have up their own sound system because our murmur sound system is absolutely horrible. [0:37:20, 0:37:40]: I personally can't answer that question. I don't I don't Councilman Alexander, do you know? I don't know the answer to that. I would certainly hope that we would uh work with the partners and to see what needs to be done. Whatever we can do, I would hope that we would do it. But uh with the international group such as this, I would hope that they would have uh work [0:37:40, 0:37:52]: with a local vendor to set that up. But are you aware of it, Mr. Gardner? Yes. So the we had someone come in and evaluate the sound system. I spoke to Albans um late last week. [0:37:53, 0:38:05]: And what they found out it is the the configuration of how we how we place the existing speakers and the ones on the roof making those turn off. And so anytime they set any time an outside group set up. [0:38:05, 0:38:09]: They're gonna be given places where they should put their [0:38:09, 0:38:12]: their speakers that would cut down on on that. [0:38:14, 0:38:34]: reverberation that you hear when you're in there, sounding like you're in the echo kind of like an echo chamber, that'll cut that down by sixty or seventy percent. Um and then after that we're gonna look at putting some other materials that'll actually absorb that additional sound. But they told us that's the that was the main issue was the sound, the speakers that were coming from up top was was actually called [0:38:33, 0:38:48]: causing the deflection from the sound from the other speakers. So once we turn those off, the system should actually work much better. It's not the actual system. They said that's actually good. It was just the way the speakers were configured that's causing it to happen now that the flooring has changed. Oh good. Yes, ma'am. [0:38:48, 0:38:50]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Mr. Garner. [0:38:52, 0:39:10]: Um is is there a backup plan it or and will this be tested before uh the date uh November twenty-fifth? Um because I'm we're aware too of that system. And if this does not work. [0:39:12, 0:39:26]: So so to answer your question, sir, we can ask um Miss Moore who if she's bringing in some external equipment and then try to have them do a sound t test in advance. But once we upgrade [0:39:27, 0:39:47]: I know I'm asking this question, but I know I'm sh once it's upgraded, we are going to test. Yes. Well the the it's not really an upgrade. The system in place is actually a good system, sir. It's just the way this this from the speakers. Once we took that the flooring out and the hardwood the floor the floors, the up the speakers that are up. [0:39:47, 0:39:55]: Higher up is what's causing the craziness in the system. So the guy, the consultant told us where to place um [0:39:55, 0:39:59]: Movable speakers, where we put those to take away from that. [0:39:59, 0:40:03]: the the craziness and the echo sound that you get when you're in there. [0:40:03, 0:40:06]: Um that should reduce that by about sixty or seventy percent. [0:40:07, 0:40:17]: I I I I hope so because we had this problem even when we had carpeted on the floor. So I'm hoping that this will work, but I'm we're a little skeptical. Yep. [0:40:17, 0:40:18]: Um thank you, Mayor. [0:40:19, 0:40:30]: Um th that's one of my concerns too, cause we have every month we have a bingo bash. But I can't we can't use that system. [0:40:31, 0:40:34]: Because you can't understand what's being said. So we bring in [0:40:35, 0:40:37]: Uh external speakers that we could place in there. [0:40:38, 0:40:42]: Um and I'm not gonna go over professional consultant, but [0:40:43, 0:40:45]: Anytime you have a hollowed out [0:40:45, 0:40:47]: Roof anywhere. [0:40:48, 0:40:49]: Uh, that's even in your bathroom. [0:40:50, 0:40:53]: When everything's a solid around it, you have a solid floor with no cushion. [0:40:53, 0:40:56]: When everything is solid, it echoes. [0:40:57, 0:41:04]: Even there's a there's a percentage of echo even with the placing of the speakers that are that we bring. [0:41:05, 0:41:08]: Because it's hollowed out and everything is solid. [0:41:09, 0:41:13]: And when you're talking about an ample amplifying sound. [0:41:13, 0:41:14]: Louder than what? [0:41:15, 0:41:17]: We do at the Bingo Bash. [0:41:17, 0:41:29]: You're gonna get that feedback. That's why you can stand on one side of a mountain and yell because the hollowing out of the canyon is gonna echo your voice. That same principles apply to even smaller [0:41:29, 0:41:41]: uh areas like a like a Merrill Mendes because it's hollowed out and when you put that sound in you have to have sound barriers placed in there. It's not about just speaker placement. [0:41:41, 0:41:49]: It's about having those barriers placed in there that can absorb sound. There's nothing to absorb so absorb the echo. [0:41:50, 0:41:57]: And that's why we're gonna you're gonna always have that. And I thought that when we ri did all this money in the renovations that we were gonna address it then, but [0:41:57, 0:42:09]: Well, uh yes, sir. And and the goal is to d to address it, but as I've mentioned to you guys before, you have what amounts to a nine million dollar building that's over [0:42:09, 0:42:11]: Fifteen years old. [0:42:11, 0:42:12]: Right. [0:42:12, 0:42:13]: And [0:42:13, 0:42:22]: Yes, the Merle has to be updated, but the three hundred and sixty thousand is like having a three million dollar house and putting three three thousand dollars to renovate it and call it a renovation. [0:42:23, 0:42:43]: Right. Um eventually, yes, we have to do some more things to fix the Merle and make her even more competitive. And that's something we discuss even at the retreat about hey, what do we do with some of our to do uh update our facilities, our infrastructure, our roadways, and that's something we'll be bringing to you guys to have more comment on. Um but yes, ultimately. [0:42:43, 0:43:03]: Ultimately, we're gonna have to put some things in there, Mr. Blount, to address what you said. That's that's that's coming. But in terms of how we utilize the space now and for the information we got, uh this is the best we could do at this point. But I would also, since you mentioned splots, for us this council to get a rundown. [0:43:03, 0:43:14]: Because it's w we're we're div you know, we're having so many meetings that we're saying splash splash sploss. I just wanna make sure that when those splots funds come that they're allocated where we need to be allocating. [0:43:14, 0:43:21]: So by law, once you allocate'em, that's where they're supposed to go unless somebody wants to go to jail and that person's not me. [0:43:21, 0:43:31]: May I a last question. Go ahead and Mr Gardner, um the timeline when the p uh professional will come in to to do the redo. [0:43:32, 0:43:42]: What is the timeline from that redo to the twenty fifth? So if it does not work, we still have time. And the reason I say this, um [0:43:42, 0:43:44]: In videotaping [0:43:45, 0:43:48]: When when we had the first responders luncheon, [0:43:49, 0:43:53]: We had to all of the speakers had to be mic'd up. [0:43:53, 0:43:55]: In order for [0:43:56, 0:44:00]: the video to be coherent. [0:44:00, 0:44:07]: Those that spoke into the house mic, you could not understand. But that's in reviewing the video. [0:44:08, 0:44:13]: Um, but I'm still a little concerned with the timeline, so if this doesn't work. [0:44:13, 0:44:25]: Is there enough time in b before the twenty fifth to go to plan B? And and I I not that's my last question, but I just want to just put that on your calendar, on your radar. Yes, sir. Uh I I'm sorry. [0:44:26, 0:44:33]: Okay. I got a question. Oh, right, yes, sir. What are we actually getting rid of agree or disagree to when it comes to funding? [0:44:33, 0:44:36]: What what amount are we talking about? [0:44:37, 0:44:48]: I don't have that number in front of me, Mr. Blanc. In terms of um, you know, right now I know that staff has been working on what we all need to do to the Merl holistically. [0:44:48, 0:44:51]: What we're gonna need and that's something obviously [0:44:51, 0:45:04]: we're going to discuss to to the council as part of our upcoming SPLOSS discussion. But in terms um Mr. Thomas, in terms of like trying to address this before the November twenty fifth, um [0:45:04, 0:45:22]: You know, we hadn't what we did is we had a consultant come in to look at the sound system and to look at how the sound how we could improve the sound in the w in the event room. Um we we didn't program or haven't programmed any funds, um, because we we've done all the reservations with the funds we had. Um so [0:45:23, 0:45:30]: Yes, we'll be efforting that and bringing that to you guys as to what it would cost to bring the Merle holistically. [0:45:30, 0:45:32]: Up to up to where it should be. [0:45:32, 0:45:34]: Um recognizing that obviously [0:45:35, 0:45:36]: We don't we we don't [0:45:36, 0:45:38]: Putting it in the general fund. [0:45:38, 0:45:43]: Like I said, we had three hundred and sixty dollars. I think it was seven thousand dollars to renovate the building. [0:45:43, 0:45:55]: We've done that with what we could do. I know that we've changed out the air systems a few years ago, but there's some other things we need to do to address, making her competitive to some of the surrounding facilities that she compete against. [0:45:55, 0:46:12]: Mr. Gardner, I think that's not what Mr. Blount was asking for. He was he was um he was asking for the vent itself. The vent itself, not not long term for the for Mermand's vent itself. And I think that uh you probably don't have the answer to that. I'm thinking maybe Mr. Alexander might be able to help with this. [0:46:13, 0:46:33]: It's uh from what I understand it's fully funded by them. What they just need the use the use of the facility. It's fully funded. So we'll work we'll I'll get in contact with them small to find out who they're gonna be utilizing and that way the staff can work with them as how best we can make sure that the the system is working. If they're bringing in their own system, then fine. How do we plug and play with that their system? Um [0:46:33, 0:46:38]: To make sure that it's the best that we can do um in reference to these. [0:46:38, 0:46:42]: What what I need to make sure that we have this council is fully aware [0:46:42, 0:46:46]: Oh, what our contractual obligations is. I don't want us to do [0:46:46, 0:46:52]: I I don't like blindly doing giving anybody anything unless there's a contract before us showing [0:46:53, 0:46:55]: What is expected of us and what's expected of them? [0:46:56, 0:47:15]: That's that's how we should operate on any entity. Yes, sir. I I I thought Unfortunate this just came out today. Uh so I couldn't tell you any of that. Because one of the things about events, especially around Christmas events, and if it's gonna be a big event, you're gonna need officers, you're gonna need you're gonna need workers to clean up, you're gonna need all I just need to see a c for me. [0:47:16, 0:47:36]: They can pa you know, for me, I don't like approving anything unless I see the contractual obligations from the city and the contractual obligations that's gonna be set forward by the person that's doing the event. And we don't I don't see any of that before us other than somebody saying, little little more than three weeks they wanna have an event. And hey, uh let the [0:47:36, 0:47:39]: chips far where they may. I I don't operate like that. [0:47:39, 0:47:40]: Understood. [0:47:41, 0:48:01]: Mayor. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Let me just say this. Let's let's bring this right back to where we are. Our state representative has asked to use a city facility. That's it. And in in in essence, it is we want to be good friendly partners with our legislators. And certainly any legislator or anybody on this council, if they came and asked to use [0:48:01, 0:48:21]: Use the facility. I've said it every time. I'm gonna vote for it because that's what their right is. And certainly, I don't think I think what we need to be concerned about here is let them make the decision if the sound system is up to what they want it to be, all the requirements of the building, they're gonna get to make the final decision on. [0:48:21, 0:48:41]: Whether they use it or not. They're just asking for us to have approval for it. They've already had this event. They're gonna have uh a similar event uh over in Stone Crest. They've already agreed to that uh some time ago. And she offered us the opportunity for us to do it uh here as well. So certainly I think we wanna make sure that we're [0:48:41, 0:49:01]: being good partners with our legislators and and um assisting them in moving forward. I understand we don't have uh the all of the figures in front of us, but she has been begging for us to answer this question and has not gotten a result. All of us have seen the emails and we've seen the traffic. So we're kind of at a point now where [0:49:00, 0:49:12]: she needs to book the event, which uh she's already uh talked with them about potentially having it on this particular date and that's kind of where it is. Now there is no other options to move it to another date at this point. [0:49:12, 0:49:14]: Maybe sir, go ahead, please. [0:49:14, 0:49:14]: Mm. [0:49:15, 0:49:23]: And I'm in agreement, Mr. Alexander. I just want you know I'm in agreement with that allowing any legislator to use the facility. [0:49:23, 0:49:27]: I mean I have no problem with raising my hand and saying, Yes, you can use the facility. [0:49:28, 0:49:33]: Uh and if there's no cost to the city for for that, I'm fine with that. But um [0:49:34, 0:49:35]: I don't wanna [0:49:35, 0:49:49]: twenty, thirty thousand dollar event to happen and then it's and then something comes down the road and sit if it's just to use the facility and facilitate what she's uh what the what uh uh Representative Moore been doing, I'm fine with that. I'm one hundred percent fine with that. I'm one hundred percent fine with that. [0:49:50, 0:49:54]: When we are coming agreement for any legislator that wants to use a facility to an [0:49:54, 0:49:58]: not only enhance our community but to bring a program in like that. I'm okay with it. [0:49:59, 0:50:02]: But that to me that's not the that wasn't the issue for me is using [0:50:02, 0:50:05]: The use of the facility, the issue for me was [0:50:06, 0:50:08]: To make sure that this is something that [0:50:09, 0:50:10]: That's gonna be [0:50:11, 0:50:14]: Done and operated en and set up by them. [0:50:15, 0:50:23]: without us now later on down the road saying, Hey, we need to get we need to do this, we need to do that. So I'm fine with the facil I'm one hundred percent fine with the facility. [0:50:24, 0:50:30]: Well well certainly if that's the case I certainly would be make the motion to say that this is for the use of the facility only. [0:50:32, 0:50:52]: All right. That's a motion. That's my motion that we would allow Representative Angela Moore to hold the event that's been described on November the twenty-fifth, uh, la allowing them to use the uh Merrill Mandas Conference Center for this event. Any other cost or exterior, any other cost. [0:50:52, 0:50:56]: cost or related expenses will be uh accommod upon the user. [0:50:56, 0:51:03]: So Mr. Blount's second down. All in favor, please indicate. Okay, unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Okay. [0:51:04, 0:51:24]: Council of consideration approved the request for the winding Creek subdivision HOA for the city to assume the responsibility of paving paying the monthly street light bill for the subdivision street lights effective one January 2024. The cost is$1,476.97 per month. [0:51:24, 0:51:31]: It which would mean a annual c annual cost of seventeen thousand seven hundred and twenty three dollars and sixty four cents. Mr. Aaron, please. [0:51:34, 0:51:36]: Yes, good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council. [0:51:36, 0:51:44]: In the city's current edition of the minimum development standards, Section 434 addresses street lights. [0:51:44, 0:51:46]: And I'll just read [0:51:46, 0:51:47]: Item B. [0:51:47, 0:52:01]: It says the developers shall pay all costs for standard poles, fixtures, and any other related items or materials necessary for the installation as well as arrange an agreement with the utility company for complete maintenance of all installations. [0:52:02, 0:52:07]: The city of Stockbridge shall assume the responsibility and make the monthly payments to the power company. [0:52:07, 0:52:14]: for electrical energy for East Streetlight only after these requirements have been accomplished and improvements accepted. [0:52:14, 0:52:27]: The city of Stockbridge shall accept responsibility for power bills for street lights no earlier than one year after the street lights have been installed, and the developer or homeowners association will be responsible until that time. [0:52:28, 0:52:36]: That's what the current is for new developments that were in the city limits previously prior to the annexation. [0:52:36, 0:52:37]: Go ahead, sir. [0:52:40, 0:53:00]: What really happened was we were at a town hall and the HOA president came up and asked, because they had just taken over the HOA from um the builder and they were looking at their budget and their budget had a big hole in it. And the question was asked at that time to m to myself and then I related to Mr. Mr. [0:53:00, 0:53:20]: Or Aaron wasn't this what it what was the city policy behind this. He just read us the policy. We should have been paying their bill, and we were not doing so. So it kind of put them put in a position where this subdivision was an outlier where everybody else's were being paid. Now I did point out to the HOA president that we may [0:53:19, 0:53:39]: Very well be moving in that direction where those streetlights in the future would be paid by these this the HOA or by the residents in that area as more and more streetlights come on and the budget continues to rise. But the policy at that time, and that subdivision has been in existence for several. [0:53:39, 0:53:44]: Yeah. [0:53:45, 0:53:58]: Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Um go ahead. Can we finish? Uh you you're done, right, sir? Mr Alzheimer, you're done? Yeah. Mr Blount, go ahead, please. Yeah, I spoke to Mr Aaron earlier today and he explained to me that this uh community was the last [0:53:58, 0:54:04]: community that was already already uh in the uh city limits of Stockbridge that wasn't being [0:54:05, 0:54:14]: uh in compliance with everything with other communities in the in the uh city. And this would be the last one that would come in c to compliance, so um I mean, you know [0:54:15, 0:54:22]: th it is what it is on this one. So uh this is why I'm in agreement with it,'cause it does come in compliance and it's one to [0:54:22, 0:54:24]: Subdivision that was already in the city. [0:54:24, 0:54:26]: Mr. Thomas, good, please sir. [0:54:26, 0:54:29]: Uh, thank you. Mr. Aaron, thank you as well. [0:54:29, 0:54:32]: Uh I'm I'm okay with that. [0:54:32, 0:54:34]: And with those facts. [0:54:35, 0:54:40]: But my concern it is and I'm recalling at our last [0:54:40, 0:54:52]: retreat, uh you sort of caution us of providing street lights where we were actually going with this. You cautioned us on that. [0:54:53, 0:54:55]: And I think at that time [0:54:55, 0:55:15]: um staff was directed to do an analysis um to to see where we were going with this and I would hope that uh that is still in in in the in the in the process of happening so we can sort of look at that because [0:55:15, 0:55:35]: There are requests all over the city, you know, for street lights. And I know you read the code, and I just don't know with the annexation, with the new developments coming in. I just want to make sure that this may be the last. So [0:55:35, 0:55:39]: Can you sort of speak to the analysis and and for future? [0:55:39, 0:55:44]: uh uh a recommendation or well where are we going with this? [0:55:44, 0:56:04]: Yes, sir. Public Works Staff has completed the analysis of all the parcels within the city limits of Stockbridge, the the current and the ones that were annexed into the city limits of Stockbridge. And we will be bringing something for discussion before Mayor and Council, but I have a conversation with the city manager prior to us bringing that forward. [0:56:04, 0:56:08]: But we do have an analysis of all the parcels that were annexed in [0:56:08, 0:56:21]: into the city and the and the current ones. And also I think Henry County, the ones that were annexed into the city, billed them their street light assessment for next year. So they have been billed for those. So [0:56:22, 0:56:25]: But eventually we're gonna have to address that issue and [0:56:25, 0:56:27]: And we're ready to do that. [0:56:28, 0:56:38]: So, if I may d um is it your opinion and I and I don't wanna put words in your mouth, but uh you are the opinion that we as a city [0:56:39, 0:56:43]: cannot afford long term, future wise. [0:56:43, 0:56:44]: to um [0:56:46, 0:56:49]: to to absorb this cost. [0:56:49, 0:56:59]: Going forward. Not at the rate that we're going. You can't continually without increasing the budget and also possibly the millage rate to account for those costs. [0:57:00, 0:57:01]: Thank you. [0:57:02, 0:57:04]: Any other questions? Ms. Barbacoy, please. [0:57:05, 0:57:10]: Thank you, Mr. Aaron, and thank you, Councilman Thomas, for um speaking. [0:57:10, 0:57:11]: About the [0:57:11, 0:57:12]: analysis. [0:57:13, 0:57:15]: I've been waiting for that. As you know [0:57:15, 0:57:19]: The majority of the nuly annex residents. [0:57:19, 0:57:22]: Majority of them are in city council district four. [0:57:23, 0:57:23]: Um [0:57:24, 0:57:24]: They want [0:57:25, 0:57:26]: They likes paint. [0:57:26, 0:57:27]: Two. [0:57:27, 0:57:31]: The lights that are inside of their neighborhoods and subdivisions. [0:57:31, 0:57:34]: they like for the city to cover those costs. [0:57:34, 0:57:36]: I've been waiting for that analysis. [0:57:36, 0:57:38]: I want to make sure that we are being fair. [0:57:39, 0:57:40]: About what we're doing. [0:57:41, 0:57:42]: Um [0:57:42, 0:57:43]: I support [0:57:44, 0:57:48]: Um paying for the street lights inside of Wining Creek. [0:57:48, 0:57:50]: But we need to be fair. [0:57:52, 0:57:57]: So what do I tell those homeowners who have been annexed into the city? [0:57:58, 0:58:00]: We now don't have budget. [0:58:00, 0:58:02]: For road and infrastructure improvement. [0:58:03, 0:58:04]: In city council district four. [0:58:05, 0:58:08]: And we won't have money in the budget. [0:58:08, 0:58:10]: To pay for lighting. [0:58:10, 0:58:11]: In their subdivisions. [0:58:12, 0:58:15]: So what do I do? And I'm still waiting. [0:58:15, 0:58:18]: For road and infrastructure analysis for that area. [0:58:18, 0:58:21]: Still waiting to hear the analysis of the lighting. [0:58:22, 0:58:24]: To support homeowners who are in that area. [0:58:25, 0:58:26]: We just need to be fair. [0:58:27, 0:58:28]: That's the point I'm making. [0:58:28, 0:58:30]: I believe during our retreat. [0:58:30, 0:58:33]: The mayor even echoed that. He actually said it. [0:58:33, 0:58:35]: We have to be fair about what we're doing. [0:58:36, 0:58:37]: If we cannot [0:58:37, 0:58:38]: Afford. [0:58:39, 0:58:40]: To cover the cost of lighting, [0:58:41, 0:58:43]: For all subdivisions throughout the city. [0:58:45, 0:58:47]: We can't keep making exceptions. [0:58:49, 0:58:50]: For others. [0:58:53, 0:58:55]: All right. Well I'll I will tell you that [0:58:55, 0:59:00]: Mayor Ford, if I may, when will that analysis for the lighting [0:59:00, 0:59:02]: throughout the entire city be presented to us. [0:59:03, 0:59:06]: since it was supposed to be presented to us after the retreat. [0:59:07, 0:59:27]: I don't think we ever talked about presenting an analysis of the street light, but taxes notices just went out. We were able to get the parcels that were annexed into the cities. So we just got that information as soon as the taxes went out. But one of the things is we need to uh there needs to be a workshop or an on a meeting [0:59:27, 0:59:47]: to just do an analysis of what the impact of this annexation is on the city's budget and what's the potential impact because there are some issues police department is battling, there's some issues public works is battling, there are some issues that community development. And we need to sit down and go uh and outline a strategy and plan of how we go about addressing these issues. [0:59:47, 1:00:07]: From roads to street lights to infrastructure and other things like that. We've been able to gather information on a road assessment because Henry County had an assessment done of all their roads in 2022. So we've got we've got all of that information for the roads that were annexed into the city. One of the things we're trying to obtain from them that wasn't [1:00:07, 1:00:21]: part of the analysis is the right-of-way. It's not on there or the length and width of the roads. So that's the only thing that's holding us back on the road part, but we do have the grades for all of the roads that were annexed. They go from [1:00:21, 1:00:35]: poor to marginal to fair to very good to excellent. So those are the categories for their roles. We're just trying to gather the information because we need to know the right away as well. So we have the road assessment and [1:00:35, 1:00:44]: We would hope that mayor and council to save money since the roads were done by them anyway, that we use the information that they have. [1:00:44, 1:01:00]: I don't see the need to repay someone to revise or make an improvement on information that's already available. So there are some discussions that need to be had on on all the department and how it's impacting not only the department but the budget as well. [1:01:01, 1:01:06]: Thank you, Mr. Aaron. Mayor Ford, can I ask Mr. Gardner? Um [1:01:06, 1:01:08]: Can you come to the podium please? [1:01:09, 1:01:19]: because I really need um for someone to address um the street light program. So I have some good news to share to those newly NX residents. [1:01:21, 1:01:41]: The the analysis that Mr. Aaron just spoke of. When will that be provided to the council? This is about winding creek. The overall involvement is a little streaming. That's it. I know it is. This needs to amend you need to mend the agenda if you want to have an overall [1:01:41, 1:02:01]: discussion about what we're gonna do with the street night analysis that needs to happen. This is about one subdivision that has been that we approved in 2017 that has not had their bill paid. Certainly I think we made the conversation very crystal clear what direction that we're [1:02:00, 1:02:20]: We were going in as a city. He's made that assertion that we may not be able to maintain this, but in the end, that's where we are now. We're trying to fix something that's already been wrong. Now, I'm not about to sit up here and let the county give us all of these roads that were in inferior condition and all of a sudden, oh, we gotta fix. [1:02:20, 1:02:25]: them all right now. No, I'm sorry. When these roads were approved [1:02:26, 1:02:28]: Henry County had these roads. [1:02:28, 1:02:34]: They got splots dollars that the pr that that the public voted on sitting in their accounts. [1:02:35, 1:02:36]: So for repaving. [1:02:36, 1:02:42]: Now some of these roads would have would have had to been repaid by them. [1:02:42, 1:03:02]: to in or before they came into the city. So you gonna leave send us these subpar roads and let expect us to fix them? No, Valley Hill Road, they should have fixed it before we got it. So there's some dollars that they collected in the spLOS that we should go that we should be asking for because when the voters voted, they was that was an unincorporated [1:03:02, 1:03:22]: That money should come with them. That should go with us. It is not reasonable for to ask us to pay for these items that should have been handled all the way. And that's why I say I don't want to go there because we got to go. This is a Pandora's box that could go in a million different directions. This point right here is about Winding Creek. Now, if we want [1:03:22, 1:03:26]: wanna amend the agenda and talk about that other item, we certainly can do that. [1:03:26, 1:03:37]: Mayor Ford, I'd like to make a motion if I could. Oh okay. I'd like to amend the agenda so that we can have a discussion in regards to um the street lighting program. [1:03:37, 1:03:38]: For the city. [1:03:39, 1:03:40]: For the entire city. [1:03:40, 1:03:42]: All right. Is there a second to that motion? [1:03:42, 1:03:43]: A second. [1:03:43, 1:03:44]: Mr Uh [1:03:45, 1:03:48]: Mr. Thomas second that all in favor of agreeing with that motion, please indicate. [1:03:50, 1:03:50]: Opposed. [1:03:53, 1:04:00]: Oppose. Yeah. Okay. So you sustain or you you [1:04:01, 1:04:21]: You are saying, okay, well I've I pull I my vote is well I get a chance to vote. My vote is we not discuss uh the overall process right now we'll stick with winding creek. So now let's let's do this. Let me make an alternative motion. No, no, let me let me finish this for a second. Okay, so we stick with Winding Creek. What it is is that there's if there's an analysis, it has to be done across [1:04:21, 1:04:41]: the board analysis needs to be done and then we probably take a look at this entire subject at a at a different meeting but it where we have a specific time to talk about the entire program for the entire city as opposed to doing it right now. That's my recommendation. Mr Alexander go ahead please yes that that would be my recommendation too. Hunt would you be able to do that by the next meeting, you think? [1:04:41, 1:04:43]: Or w how much time would you need? [1:04:44, 1:04:53]: Okay, well let's say that we'll we'll we'll revisit this subject with complete information that the staff will provide us at the November thirteenth. Mr. Alexander the next [1:04:54, 1:05:03]: Thirty you said thirty days. You mean thirty days? Thirty days. Yes. So we're late November. The work session. It'll be a work session in November. Yes. Okay, thirty days. So the work session in November. [1:05:04, 1:05:05]: I second it. [1:05:06, 1:05:16]: You're seconding that motion, is that what you say? Yes. Oh wait, is this I well we can do it? That's the motion I moved. Okay, we can do that motion. See motion is seconded. Is there is there all in favor of the motion? [1:05:17, 1:05:27]: J'invente saison, okay fine. Thirty days from now we'll talk about the whole program. Now it's back to uh Winding Creek. All right. So uh any other questions specifically on Winding Creek. [1:05:28, 1:05:34]: I have nodded in a motion to go ahead and approve this or disapprove it. Motion to approve. Okay. Is there a second? [1:05:35, 1:05:36]: Is there a second? [1:05:38, 1:05:39]: Ms. Gasgan, all fair, please indicate. [1:05:42, 1:05:43]: Okay, NAMS decision. [1:05:43, 1:05:45]: Thank you, Ms. Air. Thank you, Ms. Mayor. All right. [1:05:46, 1:05:49]: Alrighty, let's see here. [1:05:50, 1:06:10]: Council consideration to authorize the mayor to sign transmittal for the updated 2028 City of Stockbridge Comprehensive Plan and submit to the Atlanta Regional Commission and the Georgia Department of Community Affairs for review. Mr. Anderson, please. Good evening. Uh Mayor, I'm actually up here tonight to uh seek an adoption of the [1:06:10, 1:06:14]: Twenty twenty four five year update of the comprehensive plan. [1:06:14, 1:06:26]: Could I skip something again? No, sir. Uh that's from the meeting in August. The language was an updated Oh. So actually I'm seeking a resolution to approve the twenty twenty four uh comprehensive plan update. [1:06:27, 1:06:34]: Okay, yeah, wow. Okay. And uh the the resolution should be in your package. So um [1:06:36, 1:06:50]: So um uh basically what we have is the Department of Community Affairs, the State Department of Community Affairs requires a five year update. Mr. Johnson, we're gonna have to amend the agenda before we go into discussion with it because all right. [1:06:51, 1:06:55]: No, no, the what's in the book is twenty twenty-four, comprehensive plan. [1:06:55, 1:07:05]: Okay. It says twenty twenty eight. I was reading the agenda I was reading the out of the agenda. [1:07:06, 1:07:06]: Right. [1:07:07, 1:07:17]: All right, so Mr. Ryan, you said twenty twenty four, right? And this is the comprehensive plan. Five year update. Five year update is what you're referring to. Okay. [1:07:18, 1:07:34]: All right, so I guess in a sense to make this correct, we need a motion to uh yes ma'am. For the correct language, Ryan, sho is that supposed to be twenty twenty four through twenty twenty eight? Yes. Mm-hmm. What is it now? Twenty twenty four to twenty twenty eight? Yes, sir. Okay. [1:07:36, 1:07:41]: Mayor, I'd like to uh for the council to remove item number eight from the agenda. [1:07:43, 1:07:55]: Totally remote remove it of the the verb. Because it's it's not anything that he's d he's not discussing. Eight, we're gonna be discussing the comp comprehensive five year update plan from twenty twenty four to twenty twenty eight, not not what's on uh item number eight. [1:07:56, 1:08:02]: Is that correct? Yes, that's correct. So we have to remove it, vote to remove it from the agenda. [1:08:04, 1:08:10]: All right, and then add and then make the corrections. Then we'll make the corrections uh for the uh comp plan five year update. [1:08:11, 1:08:13]: Alrighty. Is there a second to that motion? [1:08:15, 1:08:16]: I'm not clear on the [1:08:16, 1:08:22]: The motion is to remove an item that we're not even talking about, which is item number eight as it is written. [1:08:22, 1:08:32]: to remove that item and then to add the item or the comp file your comp plan update. This is just to technically stay in order for what we're discussing and where we can discuss. [1:08:32, 1:08:45]: So is it the Stock Race Comprehensive Comp comp plan? Yeah, comprehensive company. That's what's written, but it's twenty twenty four through twenty twenty eight. Yes. That was left off. You left off twenty twenty four. Yes, twenty eight. Yes. [1:08:45, 1:08:58]: Okay, so so otherwise we just added the word the twenty twenty four, right before twenty twenty eight, everything else is correct? Yes, an adoption. No, we're actually I'm actually up here seeking a resolu a resolution to adopt the twenty twenty four to twenty twenty eight comprehensive plan. [1:09:00, 1:09:12]: The last one was was twenty twenty eight and they were done every five years. So it's actually tw Nothing on here says a resolution, so why don't we just remove it and then just put the eleven in place? Yeah. [1:09:14, 1:09:14]: Yeah. [1:09:16, 1:09:18]: As simple as that. Then just go ahead and vote on the way through. [1:09:19, 1:09:22]: Ya you can't see what we're saying? I do, I get what you're saying. [1:09:22, 1:09:42]: So you're not this is not an update. This is basically a resolution to adopt the twenty twenty four, twenty twenty eight comp plan. Yeah, but it's but it's just an update, yes. The update. Yes. Update version of it. Yes, ma'am. And does that is that to agree to for the mayor to sign that? We've already done that. We've already completed that part. Okay. So when I pass out your your comprehensive plan, you can see [1:09:42, 1:09:52]: that the mayor's letter has already been transmitted. So Mr. Gardner, you gonna straighten us out now? Yeah. Okay, we're good. So you you have a five year update before you have to redo your plan altogether? [1:09:52, 1:10:12]: Twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight. Five years. So it take effect for twenty twenty four. We re look at it again in twenty twenty eight. And that'll be correct me if I'm wrong, ALC, that'll be a full comprehensive plan update at that point. Oh [1:10:12, 1:10:32]: We still got another five-year-old. Five year updates okay. But what we've done so far, I think we had a presentation at the last meeting that kind of went over what we updated in the 2020, the original 2017 plan. Uh and it went to DCA and DCA approved that it met all of the requirements to be an adopted comprehensive plan. [1:10:32, 1:10:51]: Uh and once this adoption resolution is done, then you'll be able to maintain your qualified local government status. Is that helpful? Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I agree. Okay. Um I second Councilman Zablant's motion to remove agenda item number eight. [1:10:51, 1:11:01]: Are you saying to remove it and replace it with this? We remove it and then put the proper verbiage in for what we're actually doing with a resolution for the five year update comp plan to be b uh given to [1:11:02, 1:11:02]: No. [1:11:03, 1:11:10]: Oh. Okay. So okay, so y you made a motion, you're gonna second that motion. Is that correct? Yes. Okay, our favorite motion please indicate. [1:11:11, 1:11:17]: Okay, so you now she says, Okay, now. Now let's make a correct motion so we can have this in the record. [1:11:17, 1:11:18]: The correct motion will be exactly what? [1:11:19, 1:11:30]: Motion is to replace it with the uh five year comp plan update for twenty twenty four to twenty twenty eight and have a resolution in place to coincide with that. Is that what you're looking for? Yes, sir. [1:11:31, 1:11:33]: Okay, motion made is there a second? [1:11:33, 1:11:35]: I second. Okay, all in favor, please indicate. [1:11:37, 1:11:38]: Generous decision. [1:11:38, 1:11:58]: All right, Mr. Anderson. Sorry about that. I don't know why that language was was wasn't updated. Go forward, sir. No problem. Let's move on. From the 14th, August 20, August 14th meeting. But anyway, um this fire you update, we b we basically addressed the most glaring issues of the 2018 document, 2017, 2018 documents. The main concern was density, our density table. [1:11:58, 1:12:18]: For our medium density went from 1.9 to 3.6, and then it jumped from three all the way up to six. So there wasn't any four, five, or six. And then high density started off at eight. So we corrected our density table and we made our document more in line with our recently adopted UDC. And we had a total of [1:12:18, 1:12:38]: Seven public hearings or public meetings in r in regards to this uh compliance comprehensive plan process. And we had an online survey that had over 300 hits. So we did a great job in po in the public part public participation phase. So we covered all our tracks with that. And uh like Mr. Gardner said previously, our next update would be [1:12:38, 1:12:39]: twenty twenty eight. [1:12:39, 1:12:59]: And uh it could be advised that we should do a a major rewrite instead of just a five-year update. Um because this document was originally done with Henry County and um NARC. So um maybe in about five years we should set aside funds to do a major rewrite of of the entire document. But um [1:12:59, 1:13:06]: But the the current document is is sufficient now. Uh we address all the the weaknesses of the document cause [1:13:06, 1:13:14]: Previously, we had been having too many comprehensive plan amendments. So this document will cut down on a number of comprehensive plan amendments that we have been having. [1:13:14, 1:13:34]: Okay. Go ahead, sir. Uh so who who do you recognize? Well I was gonna recognize Mr. Blount, but if he wants to allow you to go ahead. Well with the new one, the the the medium density goes up and then the uh uh high density goes up, is that correct? Uh the the high [1:13:34, 1:13:50]: High density stays the same, but the medium density goes all the way up to six. That's for medium density. Okay, gotcha. Yes. So we corrected that flaw that was in the previous document. [1:13:50, 1:13:58]: All right, Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. Uh Mr. Anderson, how how would this affect developers? [1:14:01, 1:14:12]: coming to the council making those requests, would this alleviate that request from developers if we [1:14:13, 1:14:33]: Feel the gap in, I guess, if if you will. Yes, sir. Um, I think um most of the comprehensive plan amendment application we have been we have been getting in the past is because of that medium density, that uh that discrepancy in the in the medium density table where it stopped at 3.6 units per acre, which was extremely low for medium density. [1:14:33, 1:14:40]: Anyway, so we fixed that flaw. So it should drastically reduce the number of comprehensive plan amendment applications we receive. [1:14:42, 1:15:02]: Okay, thank you. Yeah. Any other questions? Go ahead, please. Real if I think it's always helpful for people who don't tune in to know what we're doing. So folks understand that this is systematic progress in the city, and this is a part of the the plan that we send to the state that the state signs. [1:15:02, 1:15:22]: Off on it and understanding that what we're doing is a part of the plan. We're just not making decisions. This is putting a solid plan together for every step of the way that we're going. A little, a short explanation of herbiage of self-up so that the layperson out there watching the meeting understands. [1:15:22, 1:15:31]: understands this is in keeping with our total overall comprehensive plan as progress is growing the city and moving into the future. [1:15:32, 1:15:33]: Exactly. That's correct, sir. [1:15:35, 1:15:35]: All right. [1:15:36, 1:15:39]: Motion, second, maybe a second, motion. [1:15:41, 1:15:44]: Got a motion, got a second. All right. All in favor, please indicate. [1:15:46, 1:15:49]: Damn it's decision. All right. Uh thank you, Mr. Anderson. [1:15:52, 1:15:56]: Council consideration to adopt a sanctification sanit. [1:15:58, 1:16:18]: Sanitation, sanitation, yeah, tongue tie, sanitation collection senior discount program for qualified senior citizens. Qualifying seniors will receive 75% reduction in the annual sanitation fees for their place of residence. To qualifying seniors must be age 70 or older, be an owner of a resident or of a single family. [1:16:18, 1:16:38]: Family dwelling for the discount is requested. The annual household income for the applicants residents from all sources does not exceed fifty-seven thousand two hundred dollars. Income must be confirmed by the most recent tax return and submit income documentation city on and before it says May 15th. Am I a [1:16:38, 1:16:58]: Assuming this May 15th, I'm asking because it didn't have a date behind it. So is this May 15th, 2024? Since May 15th, 2023 is already passed. May 15th of each year. This would be an annual process. Okay. And the reason why we said May 15th is so that you can have it on that tax statement, and the city does not have to send the revenue. [1:16:58, 1:17:01]: resident the difference between the cost. [1:17:01, 1:17:05]: All right. So May fifteenth each year. All right, Mr Aaron, go ahead, please with explanation, sir. Thank you. [1:17:06, 1:17:26]: Yes, Mr. Mayor. Over the past several months, staff and the city manager have received numerous phone calls from our seniors in response to now that they're paying a new city tax and the sanitation fees and all of that are on their tax statement. And so the city manager wanted us to come up with a way of [1:17:26, 1:17:46]: reducing uh sanitation fees for our seniors. And so we came up with this process that the seniors that meet these requirements will receive a 75% reduction in their sanitation fees. And so the reason why, as I said, we put that May 15th date in is that we're gonna be working with the tax [1:17:46, 1:18:06]: tax commissioner to see if we can create a special code for the ones that qualify. So when they re because we have to send everything to the tax commissioner by June 1st so that it goes on the tax statement. So that they'll receive that reduction on their tax statement and not have to wait for the city to issue them a check for the difference. [1:18:06, 1:18:08]: And so we're asking. [1:18:08, 1:18:28]: uh council to approve this policy tonight and so next year this would go in into place since taxes have already been mailed this year. It this process will be in place to provide some relief for our seniors who are struggling financially uh to meet certain obligations. So we want to provide them with [1:18:28, 1:18:30]: This avenue for relief. [1:18:31, 1:18:33]: Mr Blount, why is what's your question, sir? [1:18:33, 1:18:47]: Thank you, Mr. Aaron. I um I've gotten a lot of phone calls. Too many to uh c count on this, um, about because what happened with the seniors that have came into the city. [1:18:48, 1:18:52]: Um, because the city right now doesn't have [1:18:52, 1:19:03]: A home state exemption this year or next year because it would go to a referendum once this council sets it up. So we've got seniors that have come into the city. [1:19:04, 1:19:09]: that are seeing an increase in property value, which increases [1:19:09, 1:19:11]: How much they have to pay taxes. [1:19:12, 1:19:18]: And they're seeing from the city of Stockbridge an increase because of the city property tax. [1:19:19, 1:19:22]: And when we talked about this um [1:19:23, 1:19:24]: Sanitation bill. [1:19:25, 1:19:34]: One of the things I would discuss because I'm having so many seniors call me. I have a seniors event every single month. [1:19:35, 1:19:40]: And these people are calling me saying, What is going on? And one of the things I discuss with [1:19:41, 1:19:44]: Uh, our city manager. I discuss I want to see. [1:19:45, 1:19:55]: Um, if we could look at what it would take and what would be the cost to the city to offset the sanitation bill this year for the seniors [1:19:55, 1:20:13]: to offset that bill this year because of the tax and because a lot of these seniors are on fixed income and then because we won't they won't be able to have homestead exemption until twenty twenty five because it's gonna have to be voted on twenty twenty four, is that we look at [1:20:13, 1:20:21]: Now, how do we go about then doing the discount? I've asked for those numbers. [1:20:21, 1:20:26]: So for me, I can only go by that I need to see some relief. [1:20:26, 1:20:28]: This year instead of next year. [1:20:29, 1:20:36]: This spreadsheet is included in your package and it outlines how much money it would cost based on the number of people that. [1:20:36, 1:20:52]: receive this discount. If it was a hundred, it'll cost the city nineteen thousand eight hundred dollars. If it was a thousand, it would cost the city a hundred and ninety eight thousand dollars to offer those rebates. So this spreadsheet outlines [1:20:53, 1:20:56]: Yeah. What it would cost us for those rebates. [1:20:58, 1:21:03]: At the time of the discussions, which is not hasn't been I've talked to the discussion for me. [1:21:04, 1:21:12]: Because I think that uh you're on fixed income. Most seniors start fixed income at sixty five, age sixty five. [1:21:13, 1:21:26]: And because you have those seniors now with the increase in the uh in the property value and with the tax, I'd like to see that roll back that we discussed what that I discussed with the CD manager. [1:21:27, 1:21:38]: for this year and we do the discount for next year and those people that can apply and apply for a home state exemption for twenty twenty five because um [1:21:38, 1:21:43]: The seniors, the seniors that are calling me, they're hurting right now. [1:21:43, 1:21:45]: Because they are on fixed income. [1:21:46, 1:21:51]: And because these increases are hitting, we need to do something about that now. [1:21:51, 1:21:52]: In my opinion. [1:21:53, 1:21:59]: And that's why I wanted that paperwork to be put forward before we even uh put this on the agenda. [1:21:59, 1:22:03]: to have this brought forward in this way because something needs to happen this year. [1:22:07, 1:22:08]: Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [1:22:09, 1:22:13]: Thank you. And I I agree with you, Councilman Blount. Um [1:22:14, 1:22:19]: Homeowners do need relief. I do support staff's effort in. [1:22:20, 1:22:25]: Offering some relief through the senior discount program for sanitation services. [1:22:26, 1:22:27]: But I was also looking for. [1:22:28, 1:22:31]: The cafeteria list that was promised to the council. [1:22:31, 1:22:32]: To include [1:22:32, 1:22:36]: Tax exemptions for those homeowners who are on septic systems. [1:22:37, 1:22:39]: It was promised that it would be brought to the council today. [1:22:40, 1:22:40]: Um [1:22:41, 1:22:43]: So absolutely, I support relief. [1:22:44, 1:22:46]: The homeowners through the sanitation program. [1:22:47, 1:22:52]: And for those homeowners who are in septic systems. Again, the residents. [1:22:52, 1:22:55]: The majority of the newly annexed residents have [1:22:55, 1:22:57]: are in city council district four. [1:22:57, 1:23:00]: We have to be fair about what we're doing here. [1:23:00, 1:23:01]: They're paying [1:23:02, 1:23:02]: And two. [1:23:03, 1:23:03]: А [1:23:03, 1:23:04]: Sewer system. [1:23:05, 1:23:06]: But they have septic systems. [1:23:06, 1:23:07]: That's not fair. [1:23:08, 1:23:09]: So please. [1:23:09, 1:23:10]: When [1:23:10, 1:23:11]: Will the information for [1:23:12, 1:23:12]: Then [1:23:13, 1:23:14]: The text [1:23:14, 1:23:15]: Commissioner. [1:23:15, 1:23:17]: Provided that I forwarded. [1:23:18, 1:23:18]: To you all. [1:23:19, 1:23:22]: be presented to the council along with the cafeteria list [1:23:22, 1:23:24]: Of tax exemptions. [1:23:24, 1:23:25]: To include [1:23:25, 1:23:27]: Septic systems. [1:23:27, 1:23:29]: When will that be provided to us? [1:23:29, 1:23:30]: I expected it. [1:23:31, 1:23:32]: Today. [1:23:32, 1:23:52]: No ma'am. Um Ed Wall and myself have been working along with the tax assessors to put that together, that cafeteria list that would include septic, age, disability, veteran veteran status. We're working on that. We met last week and came up with some with some numbers. We're gonna run those, go back and run those again. [1:23:52, 1:23:54]: And with Mr um [1:23:55, 1:24:09]: Michael Harris and his crew and our goal is to bring that as soon as that's done, we're gonna bring that to you guys. But we have been working on that to get that to the council. Okay, but you promised me that it will be here at this work s work session today. [1:24:09, 1:24:21]: So this is a good idea. This is a separate sist separate program that we're offering away from exemptions. Exemptions won't happen until twenty twenty five if approved. [1:24:21, 1:24:23]: This is something that we put together. [1:24:23, 1:24:24]: Right. [1:24:24, 1:24:26]: that would potentially give relief [1:24:27, 1:24:36]: Immediately if approved, right? We'll give those rebates back. So that's an assistance that happens right now. Look at that. We also we're also efforting [1:24:36, 1:24:37]: put together. [1:24:37, 1:24:45]: That comprehensive cafeteria list uh that we said we would put together and Ed Wall and I, the financial advisor, been working to get that together. [1:24:45, 1:24:47]: And to bring that to the council. [1:24:47, 1:24:49]: And have council vote to move that forward. Yes, ma'am. [1:24:49, 1:24:57]: Can you also prepare a program for those homeowners who are in septic systems? [1:24:57, 1:25:00]: Just as you're doing with the sanitation program. [1:25:00, 1:25:03]: For seniors, I believe. [1:25:03, 1:25:05]: That most of those homeowners once again. [1:25:06, 1:25:07]: who are on septic systems. [1:25:08, 1:25:10]: They are in city council district four. [1:25:11, 1:25:12]: They need relief as well. [1:25:13, 1:25:14]: They can't wait. [1:25:14, 1:25:21]: until twenty twenty five. I believe it's fair for us to also offer a discount reduction. [1:25:21, 1:25:25]: roll back or something for them next year. [1:25:25, 1:25:26]: Not in twenty twenty five. [1:25:27, 1:25:47]: If it's the wisher council, we would add that, but that was not the initial direction. The initial direction was to look at septic as part of the exemption on property tax. That's what was discussed. This is totally separate from that. But it was also it was also directed for staff to bring this back to the council. [1:25:47, 1:26:07]: Order may make a decision that would be effective in 2025. Not 2025. The point of order is we're getting back off track. The agenda item is specific in regards to sanitation. I do understand Councilwoman Barber's concerned. [1:26:07, 1:26:14]: But that has to be taken up at some other time and addressed at some other time because on the agenda for tonight. [1:26:14, 1:26:17]: We're specifically talking about sanitation. [1:26:17, 1:26:17]: Right. [1:26:18, 1:26:35]: Okay, point over well taken. We'll stick on sedimentation. You already mentioned, uh, Mr. Gardner that you got some additional information you're gonna bring back to us a little later. Um that was brought discussed earlier. Some things you're gonna bring back to the council later. Well that's a later date. That's the whole tax exemption cafeteria program that we discuss. [1:26:35, 1:26:55]: Okay. But once again, we never discuss doing something to this year that was discussed as a tax exemption as part of property tax. This is totally separate. Mr. Gardner, point of order to you two. We're talking specifically about sanitation. Yes. Right? So I got it. [1:26:55, 1:27:15]: I direct you for everything, the kitchen sink, and I believe Councilman Barber stated that as well. So when you bring it back, we can take a look at all of those things. Yes. But when when maybe when to bring it back? Because I expected that we would be dis voting that we would be voting on it to implement it in twenty twenty four. [1:27:15, 1:27:27]: Ms. Garner, Ms. Gardner, what's the reasonable time you can get back to us with this so we can move on? Our goal is to hover to you guys either at the next meeting or the work session to discuss. Work session? We have [1:27:27, 1:27:42]: I want everyone to understand, yes, this is staff, but this is also taking into account other entities that we have to gather information from. Right? So it's Thank you. It's work rook session in November. Can you do that make sure? All the information has already been provided to you. Mayor. [1:27:42, 1:27:53]: Work session in nov in no November. Mr uh Mr uh Aaron, let's go on with this sanitation piece, right? Let's go on with this piece. I think are you done? Are you are you done with your convers are you done with your presentation? [1:27:53, 1:28:09]: Yes, sir. Any other and specific questions from the council about sanitation only? I do. Okay. Once Ms uh Gantt, go ahead please. Thank you. Is well has a study been done to know what that financial impact would be towards the city? Um I'm not [1:28:10, 1:28:18]: against I I hear it loud and clear, but we you know, I don't want to put a band-aid on something that [1:28:18, 1:28:26]: And I get it. The tax exemption, sanitation, we're trying to do things to help the seniors who are on fixed income. [1:28:27, 1:28:28]: The taxes [1:28:28, 1:28:30]: They have increased tremendously. [1:28:31, 1:28:40]: did not come from the city. Let me be clear, it came from the Board of Education. And one of the things that people aren't I don't believe they're more [1:28:42, 1:28:57]: informed of is that specifically um that taxes were raised across the board, both the county and then we implemented a tax. So my question to you is [1:28:58, 1:29:00]: In regards to sanitation. [1:29:00, 1:29:14]: Whether or not we have done a study of some sort to show the financial impact it will be on us based off of age group seventy or sixty-five. [1:29:14, 1:29:19]: So a at in our preliminary conversation, Mr. Gardner and I [1:29:20, 1:29:21]: We [1:29:22, 1:29:34]: Our numbers so that at seventy, it would be a hundred or less that would meet those requirements. And if it's a hundred or less, it'll cost us mine will say twenty thousand a year. [1:29:35, 1:29:37]: To provide that service to seniors. Okay. [1:29:38, 1:29:41]: And do you know what it would be at sixty fi age sixty five? [1:29:42, 1:29:49]: If we was at age sixty five, you're probably talking about three to four hundred. [1:29:50, 1:29:54]: At age sixty five, that that would qualify under this program. [1:29:54, 1:30:03]: So that's probably gonna cost you like a hundred and ten thousand, hundred and fifteen thousand a year, but we've got a healthy fund balance in [1:30:04, 1:30:23]: in sanitation and one of the things the program does say f pending that funding is available because we would not use general funds for this program. It'd have to be the sanitation f fees themselves that we use for this reduction. Excellent. And I I do like that. And I want [1:30:23, 1:30:40]: Mayor and Council to consider in the future. That that that's excellent and that's very detailed and thank you for that, for having those numbers ready for us. Um and because it is depending on the fund amount that we have in that balance, whether what you can approve. [1:30:40, 1:30:58]: I see no problem with it. Um I do however want us to be cautious in the future of what we're spending and what you know, we implement a tax because we c we we gotta be able to pay for certain things and then we discount every single thing. [1:30:58, 1:31:01]: We we're gonna have to come to some type of realisation that [1:31:02, 1:31:03]: You know, um [1:31:03, 1:31:05]: Because I'm not gonna vote. [1:31:05, 1:31:09]: Again to increase a tax to cover other stuff that we [1:31:10, 1:31:16]: discounting just to appease or get votes for. I'm not doing that. So but this particular thing [1:31:16, 1:31:18]: In regards to sanitation. [1:31:19, 1:31:23]: I like the way it was planned. I love the they the thought of it's been you know [1:31:23, 1:31:38]: The age sixty five, you have the facts on what it would cost us. The age under uh seventy, we're looking at it affects a hundred people and the people who uh will be able to apply. So that makes sense to me and it's not coming out of our main b budget. [1:31:39, 1:31:46]: So it would be up to council whether they want the aid at sixty-five or seventy. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion. Go right here, sir. [1:31:46, 1:31:51]: I would like the age to come down to age sixty five, but also in that motion. [1:31:52, 1:31:54]: I would like to have that rebate. [1:31:54, 1:31:58]: given this year and a discount applied also to next year. [1:31:59, 1:32:00]: prior to um [1:32:02, 1:32:08]: Each resident being able to apply for home state exemption as they would have with the county. [1:32:10, 1:32:12]: So they're seconded that motion. I second that. [1:32:12, 1:32:24]: Ms. Barber second now. All in favor, please indicate. Well I have a question. I think Mr. Aaron your mouth were moving but you weren't saying so. I was about to ask how long I mean, we're in October, so how long is it gonna take to prepare for that? [1:32:25, 1:32:45]: See the the the thing about it is you're gonna have to obtain that financial information. You have to put put the put the information out there to people to apply for it. So you gotta go through and verify those incomes through their tax statement. So the ones that will submit the information, that's gonna be the holdup is we're gonna have to have a deadline saying you need to have this information. [1:32:45, 1:32:52]: information to us by a certain date so that we can start processing those and get them back to them in a timely fashion. [1:32:53, 1:33:05]: Mr. Aaron, if we get if we put this out and then and we saying in in May that it has to be set up and everybody apply for that in May. But if you want the rebate [1:33:06, 1:33:26]: back from this year for the sanitation, then I dunno I'm okay with a ninety day window. No. As long as the city put it out there. And if it doesn't happen in the ninety day window, which will put us in uh toward the the end of January, which is prior to the m the May date for what you all established, I'm okay with that. I just [1:33:26, 1:33:26]: Yeah. [1:33:27, 1:33:36]: Some in in in my opinion, just something needs to happen this year because I'm getting too many calls and not to stand [1:33:37, 1:33:39]: And I'm trying not to sound political. [1:33:40, 1:33:43]: But we have to do something this year because [1:33:43, 1:33:48]: The people that are on fixed incomes are taking two hits. [1:33:48, 1:33:53]: They're taking a tax increase on their properties and they're taking a tax increase for for the city. [1:33:54, 1:34:04]: And those things aren't on the fixed income. It it just we need if we can offset it in any kind of way with the city and doing this and make it happen, I'd like to see us make it happen. [1:34:05, 1:34:25]: So 90 days you're talking about the thirty-first of January of twenty twenty four, they would have to submit the information to us to receive the rebate for this year. And then in order to receive for twenty twenty four, it has to be received by May 15th. I'm okay with that. So um Ms Mr Holiday, [1:34:25, 1:34:33]: Could you read back the motion, make sure we have it right, please? Make sure that this is understood. I I was about to um ask you that. So [1:34:35, 1:34:50]: I heard uh councilman Blount say that there was a motion to change the age to sixty five and apply to twenty twenty four. But then when I was hearing for this year and then I'm hearing Mr. Aaron said ninety days and we don't have [1:34:52, 1:35:01]: The the ninety days go to uh January thirty-first for them to apply for the rebate for sanitation rebate for this year. [1:35:01, 1:35:09]: And then they have to apply by May in order to that they get the rebate for the following year. Now [1:35:09, 1:35:14]: If the ones that applied this year for the rebate, couldn't they just also [1:35:15, 1:35:16]: Couldn't that also be um [1:35:17, 1:35:23]: Forward it for the following year so instead of them coming back? No, so because they wouldn't have their tax return for this year. Gotcha. Okay. [1:35:24, 1:35:27]: Then then that's the emotion you you got him miss holiday? [1:35:32, 1:35:43]: So let me demonstrate it. I have a question. It reads like it reads. It it reads like the like the consideration reads, but the the age changed to sixty five. [1:35:46, 1:36:00]: The only thing that's different is they have to apply for a rebate within ninety days uh up until January thirty first. Of twenty twenty four to receive the twenty twenty four to receive the sanitation rebate. For this, for twenty twenty. For twenty twenty three. [1:36:02, 1:36:12]: And for twenty twenty four to get the rebate, they need to apply for it by t May of twenty twenty four. Yes. Right. May fifteenth of twenty twenty four twenty twenty four. Okay. [1:36:13, 1:36:14]: Okay, so I have a question. [1:36:15, 1:36:35]: So the sanitation for twenty twenty four is what Bill that you sent to Mr. Harris on the tax statement. Right. But that's the new rate. Yes. So they will get a rebate for the new rate, not the previous twenty twenty-three rate, but the new rate for twenty twenty four. Yes. [1:36:35, 1:36:36]: Great. Thank you. [1:36:37, 1:36:54]: And we need to r you need to read it one more time, make sure we got it straight. Mr. Blountson compliance here. Agrees with it? No. We good? Yeah, I think she's gone. All right. Miss Ms. Gatton, you had a question? I I have one more question. Is this possible the process? Well you have the people in place. Who's going to do what? [1:36:55, 1:36:59]: I just wanna make sure that we're not setting this up to because [1:36:59, 1:37:02]: I I agree with it. I support it. [1:37:02, 1:37:07]: But I wanna make sure that we have time to set it up. I mean, it's like [1:37:08, 1:37:10]: It it's January already. [1:37:10, 1:37:17]: So So I'm trying to figure out how how what you what are you gonna need to make this happen? The process is [1:37:17, 1:37:20]: The policy request then to submit the information to finance. [1:37:21, 1:37:41]: since they're the keeper of the city's funds. And finance will verify that they meet the income requirements. And so if they meet the income requirements for this year, then you send them the rebate. And if they meet the income requirement going forward, then they submit that information to Public Works. And when we submit [1:37:41, 1:37:44]: that information to the tax commissioners. [1:37:44, 1:37:49]: office, then we'll have a code that identifies the people that [1:37:49, 1:38:03]: receive the rebate so that way they're never billed a full amount for sanitation fees. They just billed twenty five percent of the sanitation fees. So we don't have to send them a check. Okay. Uh um uh mayor go right sir. [1:38:04, 1:38:20]: How long does that take, what you think finance would take to get those numbers? Because it does shorten the time. So for for not but those that are asking for 2024, they'll have from January, they'll have five months to get that information. If they want to rebate, I think they'll meet the deadline. [1:38:21, 1:38:29]: And then we just gotta be firm it's gonna be some people that come after the deadline. After this information is given to the tax commissioner, then [1:38:29, 1:38:30]: Yeah. [1:38:30, 1:38:40]: council's gonna have to make a decision whether they extend it or give them a grace period or anything like that. But if we got a date, they got five months, I think that's sufficient time for people to [1:38:40, 1:38:40]: Mm. [1:38:41, 1:38:46]: Get that information to No, I got that. I'm talking about the the time for the rebate. [1:38:47, 1:39:03]: for this year. We said d January thirty first, which is roughly just a little bit over ninety days. Yes. But how long does it take finance to get that information together? But it uh like I said, I'm thinking it's gonna be less than three hundred people. [1:39:04, 1:39:10]: If that many it shouldn't take that long to Okay, you've got to review tax documents, you know, and [1:39:10, 1:39:28]: Since that's gonna be coming out of what you you the budget part that you're talking about by so can you let me know when they got that set up so I know that they're actually putting it out to the uh residents. And we just have to make a uh a line item in the budget as well to account for the rebate. But that's be an expense that [1:39:30, 1:39:33]: Well expanse out. I appreciate that. Thank you. [1:39:33, 1:39:37]: So we revise the motion. Motion made. Is that revised motion been seconded? [1:39:39, 1:39:42]: Yes, Miss Ban. Okay, Ms. Kant, just second that. All in favor, please indicate. [1:39:43, 1:40:01]: Unanimous decision. Okay, fantastic. Okay, now we are going back to our previous item that we uh we deferred that deals with uh council consideration approved the intergovernmental IDA between the city of Stockbridge and Citywide Development Authority. [1:40:01, 1:40:09]: The second session. No, no, no, sir. We got we w what Oh you said you want to talk about after the Zecca. After the second session? Okay, excuse me. I put it [1:40:09, 1:40:12]: Okay, after the second session then, so be it. Okay. [1:40:14, 1:40:17]: All right, keep me straight. All right. [1:40:19, 1:40:39]: Okay, on that note, then let's sue here. Announcements of upcoming meetings and events. Council meetings will be held at the city council chambers, meeting dates, location, time subject to the change of the contact contact city hall offices, 770-389-7900 for updates. Starbury Citizens Police Advisory Council meeting, first Thursday of each month. 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[1:43:29, 1:43:30]: Road. [1:43:30, 1:43:50]: From 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. through November 3rd. Election day is Tuesday, November 7th. So please be uh be reminded election day voting only takes place in your neighborhood polling precinct. So check your election day voting location at mvp.sos.ga.gov. [1:43:50, 1:44:10]: And voting is your constitutional right. And for my particip comments, uh, first of all, have a happy Thanksgiving tomorrow and be safe. COVID 19 is still out there, so make sure you take your booster shot and your since we're in the fall, take your flu shot. All right, and uh we want you to be healthy in this aspect. On that note, uh [1:44:10, 1:44:22]: Uh oh by the way, Costco's Bridge of Jodico, Jodico Road one I seventy five, grand opening, Thursday, November sixteenth, eight A. M. It's at twenty two forty five Jodeco Road. So be there. [1:44:22, 1:44:27]: Or be square, right? Okay. [1:44:27, 1:44:47]: Well, I say Halloween tomorrow night. I know it's tomorrow night. I said Thursday. I said Thanksgiving. See there, that's what happens. The tease. Halloween is tomorrow night, ladies and gentlemen. Not Thanksgiving. Right. Okay. And by the way, on that note, uh Council, we have a Zegular session, so I need a motion and going to the mirror, real quick. Yes, sir. I do understand that the cost. [1:44:47, 1:45:06]: Clasco gas is going to open on November the second. No, I didn't know that. They're gonna open early. So the discount gas, with gas prices being where it is, they're gonna open the gas uh portion on the Okay, I didn't I didn't realize it. Okay, good deal. Thank you for that. I needed uh motion to go to Zagler's session, please. [1:45:06, 1:45:12]: Uh well, we need to make for legal personnel real estate? So moon? Oh. [1:45:13, 1:45:19]: Yes. Mr. Uh Blount made a motion. Ms. Gantt, you second that motion? I second. Okay, all in favor, please and okay. [1:45:19, 1:45:22]: Okay, we're going to take a station. We'll be back, ladies and gentlemen. [1:45:23, 1:45:25]: Citable consultant, red face. [1:45:26, 1:45:29]: Yeah. [1:45:30, 1:45:31]: Well we're kind of interested. [1:46:00, 1:46:03]: All right, council, I need a motion to end the executive session, please. [1:46:04, 1:46:05]: Sir a second. [1:46:05, 1:46:11]: Okay, from Mr. Blount and uh Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Is there uh all in favor of ending that concession? [1:46:11, 1:46:24]: Okay, it's an unanimous decision. I need a motion to uh uh reconvene our council uh city council work session, please. So move from mister from Mr. Blount and second to Mr. Alzhen or in favor please indicate. [1:46:25, 1:46:45]: All right. And ladies and gentlemen, I will tell you that we talked uh earlier about uh uh the citywide development authority and IGA, but there's nothing for us at this point to resolve or talk about that. We put it at the very end of the meeting. There's no other action uh the exact session that needs to be discussed at this point. Uh so on that note, uh council I need a motion to end our council. [1:46:45, 1:46:47]: Council meeting. So Mr. Blount, sir a second. [1:46:47, 1:46:50]: Ms. Barber Secondly, all in favor, please indicate. [1:46:50, 1:46:52]: Okay, we are journaled. God bless you all. [1:46:55, 1:46:55]: Wait a minute.

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2023-10-09 source: 2023-10-09_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:00:10, 0:00:30]: Right? Okay, good deal. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our ceremonial portion of our council meeting tonight. And um all these proclamations are always good news stories. But we're gonna start off with some uh serious heroes here. If I got this pronounced right, uh Vanesta. Vanisha Vanisha Gateway. [0:00:29, 0:00:32]: And Walter Stars, please come forward. [0:00:39, 0:00:50]: Yard dog? She's got what do you call it? Stellar brass? General Hospital. [0:00:50, 0:01:10]: So I want to want to come on this side, on this side, right? And what I want to do, I want to read this population uh for you all and I'll say thank you for all the things you do. You've been here uh all you are ampathy, server to protect and doing what you need to do. [0:01:10, 0:01:15]: Yes, maybe if you put ship this way, you're not in the case. [0:01:19, 0:01:39]: Let me try this again. Uh more than multi-star. Whereas emergencies with fire police, fire type of services can occur at any time response. These emergency responders is critical to the protection of life and preservation of property. And whereas during times of personal uh crisis [0:01:39, 0:01:53]: Paramedics are one of the first to come to contact a citizen who need emergency services. And their appropriate response to these persons being scriptable. Whereas on October 1st, 2023, we're in a concert at the Stockbridge Animal Theater, we produce it. [0:01:54, 0:02:00]: One sub citizen was unresponsive and appeared to be in cardiac arrest, but whereas paramedics unleash it. [0:02:00, 0:02:17]: Alicia, Katewood, Walter Stowards, with sure care DMS, and needed went into action hand to 180 minor chest compressions and sternal drugs. Whereas along with the assistance of Scarborough Police Department in Hammer County and Sheriff's Office, [0:02:17, 0:02:24]: Takes will provide on scene and transport to local hospital for further care. Whereas we are waiting for at the method. [0:02:25, 0:02:25]: I said. [0:02:26, 0:02:46]: Okay, Gabe Wood and Walter Stours, who have been in attendance from every Starbucks Happeat at the Compass of the 2023 season, were president of training and ready to wrap. Now therefore I am as more by virgin Cody Best and D as the mayor of the city of Starbucks George. And on behalf of City Council members up and down, honor Robert Tomblan, Keisha Gandhi and Paulo Thomas. [0:02:46, 0:02:55]: Do hereby acknowledge bullet and water stars for their own efforts on Saturday, October 1st, 2023. [0:02:55, 0:03:10]: And when the stereotypes I have here onto set by hand, Grace C of the City Stark day of October, we're on lower 2023. I started conservation on all our questions hollow. [0:03:20, 0:03:36]: Right. Now listen, whenever we whenever I do this right, then we allow you to have any comments. So uh whatever comments you want, the floor is yours. I let the lady go. Okay, fine. Oh, I'm just happy we were there to save this gentleman and we train product, we train what we do, this is what we do every day. [0:03:36, 0:03:56]: All right. Fantastic. Fantastic. I would just also like to give a honor to Christ that um lives inside of us for that knowledge and uh that he was able to be there with us to be able to do what we need to do for that young man and his family. So I give that knowledge to Christ. I appreciate that. Now obviously as you all know, we got two more concerts this year, so I'm looking forward to knowledge of that that you'll be. [0:03:56, 0:04:16]: Be present that is, present, right? Yes, yes. And also, you know, I'm gonna jump ahead. I'm gonna go out there and say, We'd like to see you next year as well for the entire season, right? Hey. Okay, so I'm gonna I stepped out there and uh so we'll see how things work. I'm pretty sure it'll be fine. Thank you so much, sir. Thank you very much. No problem, no problem. Okay. So wanna take a picture. Well we'll move this way to take a picture. [0:04:16, 0:04:17]: Nice way. [0:04:19, 0:04:22]: Put them in the middle. Someone get them in the middle if you can. [0:04:22, 0:04:23]: Okay. [0:04:24, 0:04:25]: Yeah. [0:04:30, 0:04:35]: Do you love it? Okay, you don't find it. [0:04:44, 0:04:56]: Maybe there are other people remainder of the scene in the graphics. [0:05:00, 0:05:08]: All right, what I what I have next is uh the proclamation for National Women's Small Business Month. And I believe we have an individual here ready to receive this as well. [0:05:10, 0:05:25]: How you doing? Great. Uh once you get on this side of me. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. This is National Small Women's Business Month. Whereas October is National Women's Small Business Month, which [0:05:26, 0:05:30]: Okay, I'm sorry. We're gonna m okay, excuse me. We're moving on down this way. [0:05:31, 0:05:51]: Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. We'll start over. Okay. Whereas October is National Women's Small Business Month, which means it's time to recognize women-owned businesses everywhere, as well as the outstanding pro progress of female entrepreneurs have made over the years. Whereas the US Small Business Administration is recognizing National Women's Small Business Month [0:05:51, 0:05:59]: And the countless women and small business owners who have per uh pursued their passion and taken a leap into entrepreneurship. [0:06:00, 0:06:04]: Women are a driving force in a nation's economy, starting most with new businesses. [0:06:04, 0:06:13]: They own nine point nine million companies that employ more than eight million people and provide two hundred sixty-four billion in wages uh to employees. [0:06:13, 0:06:22]: Whereas a growing number of women entrepreneurs has not happened by accident, a major contributive contributor to the growth of women-owned small businesses is legislation. [0:06:22, 0:06:42]: That targeted the creation of resources and networks for women. This year, the SBA also celebrates a milestone of 30 years since the passage of the Women's Business Ownership Act, HR 5050, which was aimed at leveling the playing field for women-owned businesses. It officially established the SBA's Women's Business Center, WBA program. [0:06:42, 0:06:42]: Ram. [0:06:43, 0:07:03]: Whereas entrepreneurship is booming for women in the United States and various businesses sectors, women are making a significant impact in professional services, health care, social services, education services, and apparel and accessories industries. Now, therefore, I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority of SME as a mayor of City of Stockbridge, Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members elding now, Zani Lana. [0:07:03, 0:07:10]: Barber John, Blount, Lakese Gantt and Afonso Thomas, to hereby proclaim October as National Women's Small Business Month in the city of Stockbridge. [0:07:11, 0:07:30]: And witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the ninth day of October, year of our Lord, 2023. And I signed a proclamation along with a clerk Vanessa Holiday. Congratulations. Thank you. So we need to go shift again. Shift again. So shift again down here for the photo, please. [0:07:35, 0:07:38]: Okay. All right. [0:07:45, 0:07:58]: Well I just appreciate the opportunity to represent women. We've been uh in business with a family business and we've been in business for twenty-one years right here in Stockbridge and we're proud of that. [0:07:58, 0:08:02]: What's the name of the thing? [0:08:19, 0:08:39]: Shut up. Next proclamation is uh breast cancer awareness month and it's which is October, so uh obviously uh the pink is the color this month. So uh that's uh I need a bit I've just got a little bit of pink right now. I get more as time goes on. But anyway, now obviously we have a luncheon uh on uh [0:08:39, 0:08:59]: This Thursday, uh honoring and and and uh worshiping and and trying to pay palm homage to those breast cancer survivors. So anyway, if there's anybody, any ladies in here uh that uh breast cancer survivors, as I come on up as I read this if you're a breast cancer survivor, if you're available, any ladies? And of course I've been told and [0:08:59, 0:09:16]: been documented the men also get breast cancer a small percentage though but it's primarily of course a disease where that deals with women. How you doing ma'am? I'm good. Matthew Ford, what's your name? Eminent. Eminently come on over to the side please. Well actually we gotta get screwed down some come on down this way for me. Okay. [0:09:18, 0:09:18]: All right. [0:09:19, 0:09:26]: Breast Cancer Awareness Month, whereas Breast Cancer Awareness Month began in nineteen eighty five as a partnership between American Cancer Society [0:09:26, 0:09:29]: І Imperial Kemikal Inde Industries Farma Suticos. [0:09:30, 0:09:42]: AstraZeneca and whereas sent uh cancer touches every nearly every family in America, nearly three hundred thousand women will be diagnosed with breast cancer this year, and one in eight women in America will be diagnosed with the disease in their lifetimes. [0:09:43, 0:10:03]: And whereas we have made enormous progress in a decades-long fight against cancer, discovering new pro uh prevention and early detection measures and exploring medicines and therapies to extend to save lives. Whereas during breast cancer awareness month, we recognize women and men who courageously fight to survive, detect, treat, prevent, and support survivors. [0:10:03, 0:10:16]: of this devastating disease. And if you are a breast cancer survivor or have been recently diagnosed, October is a great time to be reminded for you, not or you are not alone. We encourage all women and men to find out if they have an increased risk [0:10:16, 0:10:36]: And to learn more about recommended screenings and speaking with your health care providers, early detection and treatment can save lives. Now, therefore, I, Anthony Square, by virtual authority vested in me, as the mayor of the city of Star Base, Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members Elton, Alexander, Ilana, Barber, John Blount, Lakeisha Gantt and Afonso Thomas, to hereby proclaim October as breast cancer. [0:10:36, 0:10:56]: Awareness month, the city of Stockbridge. And we encourage and invite everyone to join us on Saturday, October 14th, in the city's annual uh pink love walk at Clark Community Park as we walk to support the remembrance of those impacted by breast cancer and witness thereof. I have hereunto sent my hand, Grace Seal, the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the 9th day. [0:10:56, 0:11:05]: Of October year of our Lord 2023, and once again I signed the proclamation along when I cleared Vanessa Holiday. And I'm gonna use that remote. [0:11:07, 0:11:24]: No, before we go, only if you thought if you had the floor if you want to say anything at all. It's up to you. Well, first I want to thank you guys for honoring us. Okay. Those of us that have went through the um cancer and the breast cancer. And my heart goes out for the ones that didn't make it. [0:11:24, 0:11:39]: And I really wanna thank you guys for just the appreciation and um thank God for allowing me to still be here and cancer free. Okay, fantastic. Fantastic, fantastic. [0:11:45, 0:11:48]: Take this one. Do you want to compete? Okay. [0:12:15, 0:12:20]: [742.6, 762.6]: Okay, uh another proclamation here world mental health day. Is anybody here to receive this? World Mental Health Day. Okay. Let me go ahead and read this proclamation as well, put it in the record. Whereas World Health Organization recognizes World Mental Health Day on October 10th. [0:12:42, 0:13:02]: Of every year. This day is centered around rising awareness of mental health issues around the world and improving mental health care to all populations. Whereas the theme of the 2023 World Mental Health Day is mental health is a universal human right. Whereas mental health problems exist in our lives, with our families, the workplace, and throughout communities, impacting everyone. [0:13:02, 0:13:22]: Pandemic highlighted and exacerbated the global mental health crisis, fueling short and long-term stretches and undermining the mental health of millions. Estimates put on a rise of both anxiety and depressive depressive disorders at more than 25% during the first year of the pandemic. At the same time, mental health services were severely interrupted. [0:13:22, 0:13:30]: And the treatment gap of mental health conditions was widened. Whereas World Mental Health Day is a chance to talk about mental health in general. [0:13:30, 0:13:50]: How we need to look after it and how important it is to talk about things and get help if you or someone you know is struggling. Stigma and discrimination continue to be a barrier of social inclusion and access to the right care, but we can all play our part in increasing awareness about our preventive mental health interventions work. [0:13:50, 0:14:10]: Now uh now therefore I, Anthony S. Florida, virtual authority, invested in me as Mayor of the City of Stockbridge, Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members, Alexander Lana, Barber John, Lukeese Gantt and Afonso Thomas, we hereby proclaim October 10th, 2023, as World Mental Health Day in the City of Stockbridge. And we encourage everyone to show your support in making mental health a progress. [0:14:10, 0:14:30]: already in our community and wear a green ribbon in support. The witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand, raised seal of the city starbridge, Georgia, on the ninth day of October, year of our Lord 2023. And of course I signed this along with our cleric Vanessa Holiday. [0:14:40, 0:14:49]: Thank you. Okay. And they have one more proclamation and this deals with domestic violence awareness month. [0:14:50, 0:14:53]: Anybody here receive that? Okay. [0:14:54, 0:14:56]: So domestic violence awareness one. [0:14:56, 0:15:16]: October is domestic violence awareness month, a time when victims, allies, advocates, and the community at large come together to mourn lives lost to domestic violence, celebrate progress, and highlight resources available for victims. And whereas domestic violence is a pattern of abusive behavior that one intimate partner, current or former, uses to gain and maintain control. [0:15:16, 0:15:36]: Control over another. This abuse can occur in the form of physical, verbal, emotional, sexual, and economic control. Batteries often use multiple tactics such as isolation, intimidation, sexual and physical assault, forced substance abuse, insult, threatening, assess the monitoring to control and manipulate victims and survivors. [0:15:36, 0:15:56]: Whereas the massive violence affects millions across the US, regardless of cultural background, ethnicity, sexual orientation, faith, socioeconomic status, ability, educational background, this means it's very likely we all know someone who's a victim or a survivor, and someone who is an abuser. And whereas victims and survivors need comprehensive services, but more so [0:15:56, 0:16:16]: Genuine and non-judgmental support from friends, family, and our community. Whereas educational awareness, education and awareness are critical components of the effort to end test violence, please contact Avon House at 770-954-1008 or the crisis line at 770-954-29 screen. [0:16:16, 0:16:36]: Me 9229 for help and assistance. Now, therefore, I anti-S Ford, our virtual authority of SMEs, and mayor of City of Stockbridge, Georgia, and on behalf of City Council members Elton, Alizani Lana, Barber John, Blount Nikushagan, and Afonso Thomas, we hereby proclaim October is domestic violence awareness month in the city of Stockbridge. And we call on citizens and communities to join the movement. [0:16:36, 0:16:55]: And domestic violence, we must do our part to support victims and survivors to come together as a community to end this abusive behavior. A witness thereof, I have hereunto set my hand on the great COC Stockbridge, Georgia, on the ninth day of October, year of our Lord, 2023, and I signed once again the proclamation of Monarch Claire, Vanessa Holiday. Okay? [0:16:59, 0:17:17]: We were taking this photo and this picture and recognizing a domestic violence awareness one, something we've been doing for quite some time. Anybody can come up and join us and show support uh for that ballot. If you want to. If that's it. If you want to come up. [0:17:17, 0:17:18]: [1050.0, 1052.5]: Wait. [0:17:35, 0:17:37]: Okay. [0:17:55, 0:17:59]: I have uh I have uh this all of proclamations but I actually have some uh [0:17:59, 0:18:10]: post of office that I need to read. That's where some folks in. And so we'll start with the youth council advisory committee member. Miss Shawnee Davis. Miss Davis? Yeah okay there she is. [0:18:15, 0:18:26]: Come on this side. We're gonna try to get in the mid right there, the crest is right there. Okay So we're gonna I'm gonna uh raise your right hand, I'll raise mine as well. I'm gonna try to change this small snippet. So if you repeat after me. All right. [0:18:27, 0:18:35]: I state your name. I Shawana Davis. Committee member? Committee member. Do solemnly swear and affirm? Do solemnly swear and affirm. That I will faithfully perform. That I will faithfully perform. [0:18:36, 0:18:56]: Perform the duties of the youth council advisory committee. The duties of the youth council advisory committee of the city of Stockbridge and the City of Cybergridge and that I will and that I will to the best of my ability to support and defend the charter thereof as well as the constitution as well as the constitution and laws and laws of the state of Georgia and the United States of America and the United States of America. [0:18:56, 0:19:16]: I further affirm that. I further affirm that upon assumption of this office. Upon assumption of this office. I do not hold I do not hold any unaccounted for public money. And any accounted for public money. Do and payable to the state. Do and payable to the state. Any political subdivision of the state. Any political subdivision of the state. The city of Stockbridge. The city of Stockbridge. Or any authority thereof. Or any authority thereof. [0:19:15, 0:19:30]: Nor do I hold any other office of trust of the governor of the United States of this state or any foreign state that's prescribed by the law of the state of Georgia. [0:19:30, 0:19:49]: I will perform the duties of my office in the best interest of the city of Stockbridge and to the best of my ability without fear, without fear, favor, affection, reward, reward, or expectation thereof or expectation thereof. This is ninth day of October, year of our Lord, 2023. [0:19:49, 0:19:55]: Congratulations. [0:19:56, 0:19:57]: Okay, okay. [0:19:59, 0:20:13]: We're going we're gonna sign a couple of documents here. And do you have any comments that you anything you wanna say? Um no, I'm really excited to get started with the youth and happy and thankful to my family and friends that came out to support me. Um so thank you to everyone. Okay, fantastic. Good job. [0:20:15, 0:20:17]: [1218.7, 1225.5]: I'm gonna use a sign here and there as a bullying pad. [0:20:30, 0:20:50]: We need to really get that wire across. Now Miss Holloway assigned us as well and then it'll get you a copy of that. This is your pen. Okay. I'll let you have that pen right. Okay. And uh you can put that pen on yourself and then okay. And uh thank you very much. [0:20:49, 0:20:52]: Okay, let's put it on the [0:21:11, 0:21:19]: And I have one more. Um Jalen Jenkins. Okay. [0:21:24, 0:21:44]: How are you doing, Jalen? Hi. When do you go to school? Uh Stockbridge. Stockbridge high school. Fantastic. Good deal. Right in the middle here. Now the young lady just got sworn in and she's gonna be on an advisory board. And this is I was just one of the young folks in the in the on the committee. I'm gonna swear in it. Okay. So you all become best friends, right? All right. All right. So raise your right hand and repeat. [0:21:44, 0:21:46]: I state an A. [0:21:46, 0:22:06]: I generally do solemnly swear that I will support uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America and the laws thereof that I will support uphold and defend up the Constitution and laws of the state of Georgia and the laws of the state of Georgia. [0:22:06, 0:22:18]: Georgia. Not inconsistent. Not inconsistent. Therewith. Therewith. I will do I will ob observe. I will observe. And obey the laws. And obey the laws. And ordinances. And ordinance. [0:22:18, 0:22:22]: Of the city of Stockbridge? Of the city of Stockbridge. Georgia. Georgia. [0:22:22, 0:22:42]: That I will faithfully perform and discharge the duties are coming upon me upon me as a member of the city of Stockbridge Youth Council. Of the city of Startbridge Youth Council. Fairly and honestly. And honestly. And the best of my skill and ability and ability. So help me God. So help me God. [0:22:42, 0:22:52]: Ninth day of October, you're our Lord, twenty twenty-three. It's the ninth of October, you're in twenty twenty-thirty. Congratulations to you. Congratulations. [0:22:52, 0:23:07]: It's already started to work. That's our top screen on the cleanup. Congratulations. And if we assign here and there, okay, then by your name? [0:23:24, 0:23:35]: Do you want do you have anything the floor show? Do you have anything you want to say? Um not really. I'm just really excited to start making my impact on the city of South Jason. That's a good message to thank you. [0:24:00, 0:24:02]: [1443.0, 1444.8]: It's a good night. [0:24:05, 0:24:09]: Does what clock in the bar is well today? [0:24:10, 0:24:17]: Any other any other members in for the new council high report? Anybody else? [0:24:30, 0:24:31]: Mm-hmm. [0:24:45, 0:24:49]: All right. Is it? [0:24:49, 0:24:53]: That ends our ceremonial partion, so but uh we [0:24:53, 0:25:01]: We have ten minutes left ten minutes before we have to start a meeting. So you're more than welcome obviously to stay as long as you like to public meeting. We'll get started about 10 minutes. All right. [0:25:02, 0:25:03]: Yeah, [0:25:33, 0:25:38]: Yeah, I can't try to model. [0:27:40, 0:27:40]: [2014.0, 2026.2]: Okay, there we go. All right, outstanding. All right, ladies and gentlemen, I have um 602. So on that note I wanna call our council meeting for Monday, October 9th to order. [0:33:47, 0:33:52]: And on that note, uh if you can please stand for the invocation, Mr. Thomas, please. [0:33:57, 0:33:58]: Good evening. [0:33:58, 0:33:59]: evening. [0:33:59, 0:34:00]: If you would [0:34:01, 0:34:05]: All eyes closed, all hearts open. [0:34:06, 0:34:07]: Let us pray. [0:34:09, 0:34:10]: O Heavenly Father [0:34:11, 0:34:15]: All merciful, compassionate God. [0:34:16, 0:34:30]: We thank you for life on this great day. Oh Heavenly Father, we thank you for the opportunity to serve the great citizens. [0:34:30, 0:34:32]: Of the great city of Stark Ridge. [0:34:33, 0:34:35]: And we ask that you provide us [0:34:36, 0:34:38]: Вот all the necessary tools. [0:34:39, 0:34:40]: And resources. [0:34:41, 0:34:43]: To move this city forward. [0:34:44, 0:34:46]: And we pray that [0:34:46, 0:34:48]: I was serving. [0:34:49, 0:34:50]: It's pleasing. [0:34:50, 0:34:52]: In your eyesight. [0:34:53, 0:34:57]: Father, we ask that you just touch all of us today. [0:34:58, 0:35:03]: And bless all families, all families that are suffering. [0:35:05, 0:35:12]: This is your servant's prayer. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. [0:35:13, 0:35:26]: For Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag, the United States of America, and to the Republic for which stands one nation, underground, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:35:27, 0:35:29]: Madam Clerk Rocal, please. [0:35:31, 0:35:33]: Mayor Ford. Present. [0:35:33, 0:35:37]: Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. [0:35:37, 0:35:51]: Rit. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. Present. Councilman Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, do you have a call? Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh Mr. Thomas, um, I'm gonna need the amendment to the agenda, please. [0:35:52, 0:35:53]: Mayor Ford and Council. [0:35:54, 0:35:56]: I move that [0:35:56, 0:35:58]: The public hearing agenda item. [0:35:59, 0:36:00]: Six. [0:36:01, 0:36:03]: Agenda item eight. [0:36:05, 0:36:06]: Agenda item nine. [0:36:07, 0:36:09]: Agenda item ten. [0:36:10, 0:36:12]: Agenda item eleven. [0:36:13, 0:36:15]: Agenda item twelve. [0:36:16, 0:36:20]: be deferred until the November [0:36:20, 0:36:23]: thirteenth twenty twenty three meeting. [0:36:24, 0:36:27]: At the applicant's request. [0:36:28, 0:36:32]: And those items will not be heard tonight. [0:36:34, 0:36:38]: Is there a second to that amendment? I second. Ms. Gantt, second that. All in favor, please indicate. [0:36:39, 0:36:43]: Can you read out the one can you read the numbers out of the yeah? [0:36:44, 0:36:51]: Um those agenda items that was in the motion are agenda item six. [0:36:52, 0:36:54]: Agenda item eight. [0:36:55, 0:36:57]: Agenda item nine. [0:36:58, 0:36:59]: Agenda item ten. [0:37:00, 0:37:02]: Agenda item eleven. [0:37:03, 0:37:05]: Agenda item twelve. [0:37:06, 0:37:09]: And the and they will be deferred [0:37:10, 0:37:16]: until the November thirteenth, twenty twenty three meeting. [0:37:17, 0:37:22]: Yeah. And these deferrals are at the request of the applicant. [0:37:22, 0:37:30]: Man, he didn't mention seven, which I have in my notes. It was seven, but in my in my notes square was to be heard. [0:37:31, 0:37:38]: No. Well this is uh what what he read is is accurate, sir. Seven's gonna be heard uh seven will be heard tonight. [0:37:39, 0:37:40]: But not twelve. [0:37:43, 0:38:03]: Okay. I need a motion to accept it, please. We had a motion to accept. I think Mr. Ms. Gantt, you sec you second that motion? Okay, all in favor, please indicate. Okay, unanimous unanimous decision. All favor? Unanimous decision. Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Uh what I have before me also, what do you have before you is adoption of amendments retreat, uh draft retreat minutes? [0:38:03, 0:38:21]: minutes from August 10th and minutes from uh the uh retreat uh draft excuse me the draft minutes from august fourteenth and minutes from the august twenty ninth meeting and also the retreat minutes from from august eleventh. Um so I need a motion to accept those particular minutes please. [0:38:22, 0:38:26]: So more. It's okay. Is there a second? Mr. Blount second to our favorite, please indicate. [0:38:27, 0:38:47]: Okay, thank you very much. Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments at all? There are no public comments, Mayor. Okay. Earlier today, ladies and gentlemen, we had a ceremonial um um part of our our agenda tour this evening, and several different proclamations were read and issued out. The National Women's Small Business Um uh [0:38:47, 0:39:07]: Awareness month was recognized. Domestic Violence Awareness Month was recognized. World Mental Health. Also breast cancer awareness month, which is October. And then uh we had uh two individuals from our medical community that are assigned to our amphitheater during our concerts during concert season and uh Venisa uh [0:39:07, 0:39:27]: Gatewood and Walter Stowers were also uh were also recognized as well for their their quick response to an attendee of our one October concert that occurred a little over a week ago and responded very adequately and and saved that life. Um so we have we recognize all those individuals with proclamations. [0:39:27, 0:39:47]: as well as uh we swore in uh an adult leader for for our youth council that was uh uh showanna davis was sworn in this evening as well and then another young lady for our youth council uh starbridge high school uh student uh jaylen jenkins were also sworn in earlier today congratulations all those individuals [0:39:47, 0:39:51]: schools and individuals that received the proclamations earlier this evening. [0:39:52, 0:40:12]: On that note, uh we have uh do we do actually have a public hearing um item. It would be item number um seven. Um now let's see here. So what I want to in reference to the public hearing, uh there are certain rules that we have for the public hearing. And uh first of all, of course, soft cell phones and electronics. [0:40:12, 0:40:32]: License need to be muted. If anyone wishes, of course, to speak tonight at a public hearing item, please fill out a form available on the table, hand it to the city clerk before approaching the podium. After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by applicant or representative regarding the proposed plans for property along along with any other relevant [0:40:32, 0:40:36]: information, the council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. [0:40:37, 0:40:51]: Following an applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor or opposed to the case will have approximately will have the opportunity to do so. And it says that each side will be allowed to ten minutes total. Additional time can be extended discretion to counsel. And we'll f face that if if it comes up. [0:40:51, 0:40:55]: Please keep comments and presentations professional referring to the facts [0:40:55, 0:40:56]: That are pertinent to the case. [0:40:57, 0:41:00]: Will not allow comments or personal attacks toward any individual group. [0:41:00, 0:41:04]: Please refrain from any applause or comments from the audience during the public hearing. [0:41:05, 0:41:20]: After the presiding officer, which is me in this case, recognizes the speaker, he or she should direct all comments to the presiding officer, and never to members of the council, staff, or the audience. All comments will be made from the podium where you will be required to state your name and address for the record. [0:41:20, 0:41:40]: Please note that these hearings are not debate, and that's not a debate. Failure to comply will cause you to be removed from the chamber and the buildings by law enforcement if you deviate from these proceedings. Other than an applicant, no person may speak more than once. The applicant may reserve part of his speaking time, his or her speaking time as a rebuttal and may speak. [0:41:40, 0:42:00]: next or la and last and may use the the entire ten minutes allowed for the pro side of the application. If questions are raised, the counsel may ask the applicant to address questions and concerns. Presiding officer will call for a motion and a second of the motion and will have any necessary discussion. The matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for a vote. [0:42:00, 0:42:20]: And recommend approval or denial for the request. So what we have is which is item number seven, because several items were taken off until November 13th. This is a rezoning case of RZ 2023-02 since Council District 4. Consideration of a request for rezoning of three parcels on north side of Valley Hill Road from RR Rule. [0:42:20, 0:42:40]: Residential to C1 neighborhood commercial to allow for development of a single family detached residential subdivision. The applicant agent is a vet Morrison, representing the developer or builder. The property contains three parcels on Valley Hill Road and are listed below in landlot 92 of District 12 with 17.06 total acres within the city limits of stock. [0:42:40, 0:43:00]: Bridge 258 Valley Hill Road parcel S09-06010000 contains 2.249 acres. Zoned R R Rural Residential. 264 Valley Hill Road. Parcel number S08-010-10000 contains 6.41. [0:43:00, 0:43:20]: Contains six point five two five four acres. Zone RR residential Screamer Row residential parcel number S08-01020000 contains 8.2874 acres. Zone C1, neighborhood commercial. Staff recommendation is approval. [0:43:20, 0:43:25]: Commission recommendations approval as gonna be presented tonight by Mr Anderson. Please sir. [0:43:28, 0:43:29]: Expect uh [0:43:30, 0:43:41]: Like the Nair previously mentioned, uh three properties consist of 17.06 acres. Uh existing on the property now, including single family, single family residence. [0:43:50, 0:43:52]: Here's the aerial photo on the site. [0:43:53, 0:44:13]: And you can see that there are three parcels, and you can see that three parcels are all figures. And uh also keep in mind that these three parcels will have to be combined to create the 17.06 acre lot. Here's a live shot of 258 Valley Road. [0:44:13, 0:44:15]: An existing thing around the building. [0:44:16, 0:44:22]: Here's the last dot 264 value road. It's an existing single family residence. [0:44:25, 0:44:27]: Here's the survey. [0:44:29, 0:44:33]: Also here's a pencil plan that you can see sixteen units flatted out. [0:44:35, 0:44:37]: Sixteen cents a lot by that. [0:44:38, 0:44:42]: Here it's resolved. Uh thing that makes this [0:44:43, 0:44:43]: Yeah. [0:44:45, 0:45:05]: Most important thing that maybe staff consider this um should consider approval for this project is that it's compatible with existing zoning in the A. If you can look to the south, you can see that there's suburban residential zombie there. If you look to the um northwest, you can see some uh suburban residential uh [0:45:05, 0:45:21]: They're a suburban residential all throughout the neighborhood. And also the applicant did not require a comprehensive planning unit. So we will be sticking with the current land use designation of low density residential. And the current density of the project is one unit per acre, which is good. [0:45:23, 0:45:25]: There's a few delays that [0:45:45, 0:45:47]: They're these are the first to do. [0:45:49, 0:45:56]: So it won't be a typical uh cookie cutter type home. These would be some pretty fashionable [0:45:57, 0:46:17]: As you can see. Um like I previously mentioned, staff recommended uh approval of this application because it's consistent with the with the with the land use in the area of uh low density resolution. And um it has a density rate of one point zero acres per unit. [0:46:17, 0:46:25]: And it's consistent with the zone in the area. So staff recommended the food and the applicants here to that. [0:46:25, 0:46:34]: Okay. Um council you have any questions, initial counsel uh questions for Mr. Ryan or Mr. Anderson here or um you know? [0:46:35, 0:46:41]: Yes, ma'am. Go ahead please. Okay, since this is my district, I do have several comments. Um thank you, Mayor. [0:46:42, 0:46:49]: So one of the questions I have is you didn't mention um what the decision from the planning commission was. [0:46:50, 0:46:58]: Okay. It was unanimous. Okay. Sorry about that. [0:47:03, 0:47:12]: Normally um the district representative when a development is being presented or proposed, um the district representative [0:47:12, 0:47:16]: It's kinda given an overview beforehand. I didn't get that. [0:47:17, 0:47:20]: But nonetheless, I know for that area. [0:47:20, 0:47:23]: Valley Hill Road and Davis Road in particular. [0:47:23, 0:47:24]: Um the council. [0:47:25, 0:47:30]: Has already approved a lot of high density developments. I'm concerned about the infrastructure. [0:47:31, 0:47:36]: However, with this development, considering it is single family homes [0:47:36, 0:47:38]: And it's low density. [0:47:38, 0:47:41]: I will consider it. I've spoken with several homeowners. [0:47:42, 0:47:43]: In the area. [0:47:44, 0:47:46]: Single family homes is what they preferred. [0:47:47, 0:47:47]: Um [0:47:48, 0:47:51]: before the council approved the high density [0:47:51, 0:47:55]: multifamily residentials earlier this year. [0:47:57, 0:48:01]: My concern is all of the other proposed developments that are coming. [0:48:02, 0:48:06]: to City Council District Four on Valley Hill Road and Davis Road. [0:48:07, 0:48:12]: I can't support any more developments, especially high density multifamily. [0:48:12, 0:48:13]: developments. [0:48:14, 0:48:17]: Until we have a solid road and infrastructure. [0:48:17, 0:48:18]: Improvement plan. [0:48:19, 0:48:20]: With funds. [0:48:20, 0:48:21]: Allocated. [0:48:23, 0:48:24]: Is there any [0:48:25, 0:48:26]: Um [0:48:26, 0:48:28]: plans of funding [0:48:28, 0:48:30]: Mr. Gardner or Mr. Anderson? [0:48:31, 0:48:36]: To help with the improvements of the roads and infrastructures on Valley Hill Road. [0:48:37, 0:48:39]: This year or next year? [0:48:41, 0:48:52]: Mayor. What's the point of order? The act this is about the rezoning case, uh the ro rezoning number twenty twenty three zero two. I don't want us to get into involved [0:48:52, 0:48:56]: Um, about everything that's going on in Valley Hill Road. [0:48:56, 0:49:11]: If there wants to be a discussion or maybe Councilwoman Barber can talk about that at one of her town halls, but this is not the place to campaign. This is the place to talk about this subject right here on number item number seven, so we can go ahead and move forward with the vote on that. [0:49:11, 0:49:19]: Now she stated she may consider that and we constant we we definitely heard her loud and clear. It also states down here [0:49:19, 0:49:21]: While reading. [0:49:21, 0:49:23]: Like at the bottom as normal. [0:49:23, 0:49:28]: what the recommendations were for the planning commission and the recommendation of approval. [0:49:28, 0:49:33]: on both through the through our department as well as here. It's in black and white. [0:49:33, 0:49:36]: And everyone on Mayor and Council has the responsibility of reading that. [0:49:37, 0:49:38]: What I'm saying to you is [0:49:39, 0:49:58]: That mayor, we shouldn't be talking about Ballor Hill in a broad perspective. This is solely about this property here today. Mayor Forrest. This is not time and place. Please, sir. Go ahead. Since I represent City Council District 4 and I'm responsible for the residents and homeowners in the area. [0:49:58, 0:50:01]: I have a responsibility to speak on their behalf. [0:50:01, 0:50:04]: They have concerns about the roads and infrastructure there. [0:50:05, 0:50:07]: Those are questions that have to be answered. [0:50:08, 0:50:09]: And I want them answered. [0:50:09, 0:50:10]: Publicly. [0:50:10, 0:50:12]: Алатва, хом онезерна хі. [0:50:13, 0:50:15]: They don't have a copy of the agenda. [0:50:15, 0:50:18]: So it's important that we have these conversations. [0:50:18, 0:50:19]: Publicly. [0:50:20, 0:50:21]: That's all. [0:50:21, 0:50:25]: Mr. Gardner has come to the podium, so I like for him. [0:50:25, 0:50:27]: То спік публі. [0:50:27, 0:50:29]: In regards to roads and infrastructure. [0:50:29, 0:50:34]: improvement specifically for that particular area. [0:50:35, 0:50:38]: Hold on, I understand your point or Mr Gardner, go ahead and answer the question, please. [0:50:38, 0:50:42]: So, as this council has been told on numerous occasions. [0:50:42, 0:50:50]: Under Georgia's current zoning procedures law, you cannot deny zoning based on roads and schools. [0:50:51, 0:50:51]: You cannot. [0:50:52, 0:50:59]: Georgia law prohibits there are only four or five jurisdictions in the entire states that are over the population of five hundred thousand. [0:50:59, 0:51:05]: That are allowed to use roads and schools and infrastructure as a basis to deny zoning. [0:51:05, 0:51:09]: So I wanna make sure we keep that so that we don't run a foul of that law. [0:51:09, 0:51:14]: Um as it relates to Rally Hill Road, Valley Hill Road came into the city January first, twenty twenty three. [0:51:15, 0:51:18]: And it was not on the splash list. [0:51:18, 0:51:21]: Or T Sploss list or the El Meg list for Henry County. [0:51:21, 0:51:23]: And as because he came in the city [0:51:23, 0:51:32]: after we have already donated, already allocated those funds for other road projects, it is not on our current SPLOS, T SPLOS or LMEG list. [0:51:32, 0:51:33]: Um [0:51:33, 0:51:36]: We're looking at ways in which we could potentially get. [0:51:36, 0:51:39]: Valley Hill on on on a payment schedule, but at this point [0:51:40, 0:51:41]: As we discussed before. [0:51:42, 0:51:46]: We can do this at the last town hall meeting we had, we discussed the [0:51:46, 0:51:55]: If we we have s plus six vote that comes up next year, we'll start obviously talking about those road improvements that we need to see done. [0:51:56, 0:51:59]: And that list will obviously once it's approved, that Sploss is approved. [0:52:00, 0:52:03]: Well then we'll receive funds in twenty twenty five. [0:52:03, 0:52:19]: If it's the wish of the council you can bond finance in the lieu of to pay for to get major projects done quickly, you can fund those to get those started quickly in twenty twenty five. Um at this point that's the earliest. We're looking at any opportunities we have. [0:52:19, 0:52:37]: But as it relates to our current funding source for roads, it's not on there and it was not on the county's list as well. And I think the county commissioner has spoken to the fact that she's looking to see if we could get some address to make it a participatory process where it's the city and the county putting some funds to make it happen if it does that way. [0:52:37, 0:52:41]: Thank you, Mr. Gardner. I appreciate the explanation. If I may [0:52:41, 0:52:48]: Mayor Ford. Go ahead, please. Okay. Um, so that is one of the biggest concerns that I've heard from [0:52:48, 0:52:50]: The homeowners who live in that area. [0:52:50, 0:52:52]: Um the lack of [0:52:52, 0:52:54]: uh planning or funding for road. [0:52:55, 0:52:56]: And infrastructure improvements. [0:52:57, 0:53:00]: That's what makes it difficult for me to support. [0:53:00, 0:53:04]: Multifamily high high density developments. [0:53:05, 0:53:09]: So of course I support our city's redevelopment plan. [0:53:09, 0:53:13]: Бо і максари when I can't explain to them. [0:53:13, 0:53:15]: Or share with them. [0:53:15, 0:53:17]: Rome projects that's coming. [0:53:17, 0:53:18]: To their district. [0:53:19, 0:53:22]: We have a responsibility to make sure that we are not [0:53:22, 0:53:24]: negatively impacting [0:53:25, 0:53:26]: The quality of life. [0:53:26, 0:53:28]: Other people who live in that area. [0:53:29, 0:53:31]: Mr. Gardner just told us [0:53:31, 0:53:34]: That area was newly annexed into the city. [0:53:34, 0:53:36]: At the beginning of this year. [0:53:36, 0:53:37]: But yet [0:53:37, 0:53:39]: That area specifically. [0:53:40, 0:53:45]: Has seen more proposals for development, high density proposals. [0:53:45, 0:53:47]: This year than any other district. [0:53:49, 0:53:49]: However, [0:53:50, 0:53:52]: The proposal that is before us [0:53:52, 0:53:53]: is a low density. [0:53:54, 0:53:56]: Single family residential homes. [0:53:59, 0:54:05]: I will stick with what we have on the agenda, but I still wanted to address the road and infrastructure. Um [0:54:05, 0:54:07]: Yeah, go ahead, Mr. Blount. [0:54:07, 0:54:14]: Thank you, Mayor. Um one of the things I want to say is that district um district four [0:54:15, 0:54:22]: is the largest district, not because of population, it's because of land mass. [0:54:22, 0:54:26]: And any time you have a any district anywhere because of landmass [0:54:27, 0:54:42]: You're gonna have people looking to come. Henry County is a gold mine and people are trying to come. There was things coming down the pipe with Henry County that are now coming to the city of Stockbridge. One of the things I do in my district, and I've done since I've been on this council. [0:54:43, 0:54:47]: If there's a development that's coming prior to even being in districts, [0:54:48, 0:54:57]: I didn't sit down with developers. I didn't negotiate with developers. I didn't put conditions on developers because you either want the project or you don't. [0:54:58, 0:55:03]: The only project that ever been moved here for дистрік дистрік фору. [0:55:03, 0:55:15]: Conditions was put on that uh developer by the count by the district representative. Even at the council meeting, they asked for us she asked for a swimming pool and they said, okay. [0:55:16, 0:55:18]: I I believe in allowing [0:55:18, 0:55:22]: the district representative to take the lead. [0:55:22, 0:55:31]: But if you're for a development or you're not for development, if you're for the development, don't put conditions on a developer. [0:55:31, 0:55:44]: Because when you put conditions on a developer and then you come here and now you're saying that all this is blowing up, then you either for a development or you're not. I've had development that try to come into district three. [0:55:44, 0:55:48]: You know what I told him? I don't need to meet with you because it's not smart development. [0:55:49, 0:55:53]: But when you meet with them and put conditions on them, they say yes. [0:55:54, 0:56:08]: Then we can sit here all day and play politics with it, but we only agree to the conditions that were set forth for that area, for those for that project by the district representative. That's what's going on here today. [0:56:08, 0:56:28]: Mr. Alexander, great place. Yes, thank you so much, Mr. Anderson. I think what needs to be clarified is, and I think Mr. Gardner, I don't know, maybe you might have the answer. Uh I know that the I think it's between a 50 and 60 million dollar road project for Highway 42 has gotten the let. [0:56:28, 0:56:38]: already. They could start any day now, widening Highway 42 from the Walmart all the way to exit 675, exit number two. [0:56:38, 0:56:44]: That's a fifty to sixty million dollar project. Part of that project includes intersection improvements. [0:56:45, 0:57:05]: I'm almost sure that Valley Hill Road has an intersection improvement in a$50 or$60 million project where they'll because that's what they always do when they have these projects, they analyze each uh interchange and they make recommendations on that. Is there any information that you have on the interchange there being uh improvements? [0:57:05, 0:57:22]: that are part of that pro because it's gonna be four lanes all the way down from the Walmart to exit two. There'll be a ten foot path along it, there'll be street lights and beautification too. So the improvements to the area are in this road project. A a sixty million dollar project. [0:57:22, 0:57:42]: Yes, that's correct, but I don't have the specifics for uh Valley Hill Road. I can get that for you. I can find out tomorrow and get that for you. Right. So any day now we're gonna be looking at track book um earth movement equipment out there starting because they have the let to get started already. So the contractor has been awarded, so they get started. This project is gonna take a couple of years. [0:57:42, 0:58:02]: Years for them to I think three two and a half to maybe three years for them to complete. But everybody needs to understand, and I'm just gonna close by saying this. Okay, and Mayor, you were at the uh grits and grace today. I was sheriff Sheriff Skander spoke very eloquently on this about us growing, correct? Correct. He said pretty much we already know. [0:58:02, 0:58:22]: Well I was gonna well yeah I do recall that, but I I was going to talk about that in my comments at the end, but but but it was very well attended a very well spoken type of conference in this aspect as we continue to get uh education wise, public safety wise, and also with the [0:58:22, 0:58:42]: clergy come together in the community is is growing. Henry County is growing. Stock city stock race is growing. And you're not gonna be able to stop the growth. I mean folks are coming to the South and to the economic development and opportunities that are here in the area. So uh we just gotta be prepared for that as best as possible across the board. Um but anyway, that's that's that's what I was going to say. Yeah I would I just wanted you to ch I just wanted you to [0:58:42, 0:59:02]: I was at I was there, Mayor Pro Tem was there as well. So he spoke very eloquently about this. And to understand, we have eight hundred million dollars secure in traffic improvements for this particular for our county. Our projects are at the end of the list because before we took over, there wasn't very much funding acquired. We have [0:59:02, 0:59:15]: endeavored every day since we took over to acquire funding. We got funding for Rock Quarry Road widening. We got funding for this project and meet and several others around here as well. The problem is it's gonna take time. [0:59:15, 0:59:35]: It is going to take time. But in the state of Georgia, you cannot simply deny, and the sort city manager just told you, based on traffic and uh other requirements. We got to understand, every last one of our districts are getting projects. We got to. They're coming. And we're doing the very best that we can to make these projects move through. [0:59:35, 0:59:40]: And it's it's tough call. But for something like this, for this one right here. [0:59:40, 0:59:55]: We can't stop growing. We can't. I just need to look at everybody and understand and say that. We cannot. When projects come to us, we gotta make very tough choices, but in the end, growth is coming for the same reason that you wanna come, other people are coming. Thank you. [0:59:56, 1:00:16]: You know, I just thought about something. Uh Georgia itself is the eighth largest state population wise in the nation. Got fifty states in the nation, right? Eighth largest population wise. Not the eighth largest area wise, but population wise. And if you think about that, you think about what states are could be larger and population are also larger in area. You know, you have California, New York, Florida. [1:00:16, 1:00:32]: uh Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio are all in that list somewhere. You see, but uh it's growth is coming. And I guess it was just announced uh just uh last week that uh once again Georgia is considered for the tenth straight year well the best state to do business with economically in growth. [1:00:32, 1:00:45]: It's a national thing. Ten ten years in a row. The jobs and economic growth. So it's good. So what's coming? Is this happening? Is this happening in the entire state? And it's happening right here here in the county. But anyway, on that note. And the other question for Mr. Ryan Council. [1:00:45, 1:00:46]: Hell. [1:00:46, 1:01:02]: Okay, everybody's good? Okay, so this is actually a public hearing. Uh so oh uh by the way, I'm sorry. Did you yeah, I'm sorry, sir. Did you wanna who who's who is it? Is it Yvonne Morrison? Yeah, what did you need to say anything, sir, to the council at all? You need you you [1:01:04, 1:01:13]: Okay. All right. All right. We'll see if that comes up a little later. All right. On this note, ladies and gentlemen, we're this is a public hearing, so I'm gonna open it up. And uh so [1:01:14, 1:01:34]: We're gonna start with any approvals. Let's start with the uh people that might have comments to approve. And uh we'll start from my very left uh my my very left side. Anybody in this section here that has comments for approval of this particular project? On the very left, in the middle. Anybody? On my right, anybody? Any any anybody? [1:01:34, 1:01:39]: For approval. Okay. So denial or comments and for denial. Anybody on the left hand side? [1:01:40, 1:01:41]: Okay? In the middle. [1:01:42, 1:01:47]: All right. Why don't you line up on this side, ma'am? On that side. Anybody else in the middle? All right. [1:01:47, 1:01:56]: Anybody else on uh yeah on on this side. Yes, ma'am. Come on over and line up on this side please if you can. All right. Any comments uh against or uh disapproval on this aspect? Okay. [1:01:57, 1:02:17]: All right, so we it looks like we have three folks. Okay, so on that note, uh what it is is that um uh w somebody had three people. We we have ten minutes for for the three people itself, so be mindful of that in this aspect. And when you come before the podium, put your name and your name and address, your name and address, and please address me with your comment. [1:02:17, 1:02:18]: Go write it please. [1:02:21, 1:02:41]: Connie Snow, 426, Chase, Marion Way, McDonough, Georgia, 30253. While I understand that our state is one of the top eighth growth areas, there is a thing, such as smart development. And there is a thing as not building all these multi-use developments around here and securing the land and taking it away from people. [1:02:41, 1:02:46]: that can eventually utilize that land to actually create land ownership. [1:02:46, 1:02:53]: I think by allowing this all into our community, we are denying our youth the ability to one day own land. [1:02:53, 1:02:57]: We're creating or increasing a problem that's already existing. [1:02:58, 1:03:00]: And we need to do something better. [1:03:01, 1:03:03]: Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it. [1:03:04, 1:03:05]: Name and address, please. [1:03:06, 1:03:16]: My name is Susan Grosner. I live at 310 Valley Hill Road, Stockbridge, Georgia. I'm the largest parcel backing up to this project. [1:03:16, 1:03:22]: I have not been notified not one time, not one letter has been sent out, nothing. [1:03:22, 1:03:27]: I've had to take screenshots of other people's letters and get them printed out. [1:03:28, 1:03:29]: Um [1:03:30, 1:03:38]: The gentleman said that he has got sixteen houses going on seventeen acres, then each house will be on one acre. [1:03:38, 1:03:39]: Okay. [1:03:39, 1:03:41]: Well right here you see [1:03:41, 1:03:44]: Where there's gonna be a retention pond, a dog park. [1:03:45, 1:03:50]: A pool, a pickleball court, two pickleball courts, and a clubhouse. [1:03:52, 1:03:55]: My house is about [1:03:55, 1:03:57]: Fifty feet off the property line. [1:03:58, 1:04:01]: I spoke with surveyor today, Julian. Um [1:04:02, 1:04:04]: Put'em on three way with me. [1:04:05, 1:04:06]: And he said that um [1:04:07, 1:04:09]: The poll is gonna be eleven [1:04:10, 1:04:12]: feet off of my property line. [1:04:12, 1:04:13]: Eleven feet. [1:04:14, 1:04:15]: The pool? [1:04:15, 1:04:18]: It's gonna be eighteen feet off the property line. [1:04:19, 1:04:22]: That's gonna leave a distance of about fifty two feet. [1:04:23, 1:04:24]: From my house [1:04:24, 1:04:27]: to a retention pond that causes mosquitoes. [1:04:28, 1:04:31]: A pickleball court that causes noise and [1:04:32, 1:04:38]: And I'd I'd I'm not for this development. I'm not. I have [1:04:40, 1:04:42]: I have I have [1:04:43, 1:04:44]: I have [1:04:45, 1:04:45]: Gotten [1:04:46, 1:04:48]: legal counsel on this. [1:04:49, 1:04:52]: А воно ливнеломент. [1:04:53, 1:04:54]: I'm begging y'all. [1:04:55, 1:05:02]: Not to make me move out of a house that I have spent twenty three years in. Twenty three years. [1:05:03, 1:05:06]: You can look at this survey plat. [1:05:07, 1:05:11]: And you can tell the runoff of that land. [1:05:11, 1:05:15]: The runoff from the rainwater is gonna wash straight on to my property. [1:05:16, 1:05:19]: It goes like this. My property goes like this. [1:05:21, 1:05:26]: Whenever you built whenever they built the two hundred and forty houses back behind me. [1:05:28, 1:05:36]: I'm now six months ago just spent ten thousand dollars with AquaGuard trying to get my foundation right. [1:05:37, 1:05:39]: There's so much rock on Valley Hill Road. [1:05:41, 1:05:47]: Actually just got a boulder out that's probably about as long as this podium up here. [1:05:48, 1:05:50]: Not this one, y'all's podium. [1:05:51, 1:05:56]: Whenever we built our shop on our property, got a huge shop bigger than my house. [1:05:56, 1:05:59]: They said, Okay, thirty feet off the property line. [1:05:59, 1:06:02]: I'm looking at eleven feet. [1:06:03, 1:06:15]: My shop had to be thirty feet off the property line and they're wanting to put a retention pond, a pool, and a pickleball court directly in my backyard. Directly in my backyard. [1:06:16, 1:06:22]: I don't know if y'all are familiar with pickleball, but it causes a lot of noises. A plastic ball plastic ball. [1:06:22, 1:06:24]: With holes drilled in it. [1:06:24, 1:06:26]: And a hard paddle. [1:06:26, 1:06:35]: I have my son, his wife, and his three kids that live with us. It's the ages is four and below. [1:06:36, 1:06:41]: I can't have that next to my family. I'm not going to. [1:06:41, 1:06:45]: Whenever you vote tonight, I am begging you to [1:06:46, 1:06:54]: not to make me move out of my house. I have talked with Julian over here and I have told him that if this passes, I will sell my home. [1:06:55, 1:07:01]: I always wanted and I dreamed of y my son being able to live in the house that he was raised in. [1:07:03, 1:07:09]: I don't think that's gonna be possible. I really don't. And I know development happens. I know that. [1:07:10, 1:07:14]: The two hundred and forty houses back behind me, I know development. [1:07:14, 1:07:17]: But whenever there's that much rock on that land. [1:07:17, 1:07:28]: And I'm sitting there having to s shell out ten thousand dollars. I just got more gravel and more dirt hauled into my house. I didn't I've never received a letter. Never. [1:07:28, 1:07:35]: I wouldn't not have poured that much money into my home if I knew that there was gonna be jackhammer and blasting. [1:07:36, 1:07:40]: Eleven feet away from my house, or fifty two feet away from my house. [1:07:41, 1:07:42]: I never would have. [1:07:43, 1:07:46]: So I I'm I'm really asking y'all. [1:07:46, 1:07:48]: To not pass this through. [1:07:49, 1:07:51]: Thank you. Thank you. [1:07:56, 1:07:57]: Name and address, please. [1:08:00, 1:08:09]: My name is Marian D. Calhoun. I live at five, oh that's my Florida house, 608 Creekstone Court. [1:08:10, 1:08:11]: Jonesboro, Georgia. [1:08:12, 1:08:14]: Stockbridge. Jones Brother or Stockbridge? [1:08:15, 1:08:19]: I'm here because I was invited. [1:08:19, 1:08:23]: by the people to say this. [1:08:25, 1:08:37]: It is sad when she has to beg to stay in her house because you all keep telling us that growth happens. Growth don't have to happen. There are [1:08:38, 1:08:51]: places all around the country, United States, that people move to stay in small towns. Small towns stay small because your county, your local government keeps it small. [1:08:52, 1:08:53]: But when you're motivated by greed [1:08:54, 1:08:56]: And you're motivated by power. [1:08:56, 1:08:58]: You forget about the people. [1:08:59, 1:09:00]: And look around in this room. [1:09:01, 1:09:04]: Вел обов'язки процента з people are white. [1:09:05, 1:09:06]: Look at the board. [1:09:07, 1:09:09]: You people are not listening to them. [1:09:10, 1:09:11]: Because you're black. [1:09:12, 1:09:13]: And you own the board. [1:09:14, 1:09:16]: But when they were white. [1:09:16, 1:09:18]: And we had the same issue. [1:09:18, 1:09:20]: We had an issue with them. [1:09:20, 1:09:23]: So if you're trying to have diversity. [1:09:23, 1:09:25]: And you want to do things right. [1:09:26, 1:09:27]: You listen to these people too. [1:09:28, 1:09:29]: Бікоздей пай таксис. [1:09:30, 1:09:34]: In Stockbridge and they pay taxes in Henry County. [1:09:34, 1:09:40]: And these people have been living in the house probably longer than most of some of y'all moved here, including me. [1:09:41, 1:09:43]: And if you don't want to listen to them [1:09:43, 1:09:49]: And you overthink them and you over process because everybody wants to come in here and bill, bill, bill. [1:09:50, 1:09:51]: These people [1:09:52, 1:09:53]: They get that one time. [1:09:54, 1:09:55]: On November seventh. [1:09:56, 1:09:57]: And they're gonna think about [1:09:57, 1:09:58]: The way you treat'em. [1:09:59, 1:10:01]: Because I think about it every day. [1:10:01, 1:10:03]: I'm an activist, not just for black people. [1:10:03, 1:10:05]: But I'm an activist for people. [1:10:06, 1:10:08]: And right now people are hurting. [1:10:09, 1:10:14]: They can't afford to stay in their houses and the one that wanna stay in their houses, you all are pushing them out. [1:10:15, 1:10:16]: That's ridiculous. [1:10:16, 1:10:25]: You all need to do something. Set up some boards. Get the people on the boards. Listen to what they have to say before you give. [1:10:25, 1:10:32]: our property or our communities to all these people who wanna come in here and build. [1:10:32, 1:10:35]: Thank you. Thank you. All right. [1:10:36, 1:10:47]: All right. All right. So that's all that's all the comments uh for and against. So I'm gonna close the public hearing on that note. All right, so um Mr. Anderson, please. [1:10:47, 1:11:07]: Uh council, you have any other questions for uh Mr Anderson or anything other comments? Okay, well stand by folks, it takes an orderly manner. Ms. Gantt, we're gonna start with you, sir. Ma'am, go ahead please. Thank you. Um a question in regards to the runoff concern at three ten. Um there was one mention of a shop. I don't know what kind of shop it was. [1:11:07, 1:11:10]: Uh might be on her personal property. [1:11:10, 1:11:12]: Might be on her personal property. [1:11:12, 1:11:31]: You it's just a personal property shop? I mean you're saying the shop that she mentioned? Yes. Yeah, it's probably on her personal property. It's on her business. Okay. I didn't know if it was a business or no. Okay. Problem accessory structure. Okay. Um but the concern was the runoff based off of that. But can you explain to us how we make sure [1:11:32, 1:11:52]: Or explain how we have the checks and balances there to make sure that it doesn't incringe on someone else's property. Yes, ma'am. Even after it goes through planning and zoning and it goes through those stages, we have a stringent development review process. It goes through stormwater review, it goes through um fire review, it and it has another review. [1:11:52, 1:11:54]: through planning and zoning. [1:11:55, 1:12:15]: There are checks and balances. Uh there uh there would be no way that we would allow um, like that was previously mentioned, the swimming pool eleven feet from our property line. There's no way we will allow any plan like that to go forward. And um so during the development review process, the plans would be reviewed stringently to check for any types of [1:12:15, 1:12:22]: storm water um issues and things of that nature. And uh the detention pond will be reviewed thoroughly. [1:12:23, 1:12:30]: by our by our civil engineer and um the public works department. So there are several different departments that will review. [1:12:31, 1:12:35]: Okay. Thank you. And in regards to um [1:12:36, 1:12:56]: the setback and r uh you heard her her concern about it being eleven feet close, I believe I have I d I didn't see that on the site playing. And I I wrote it down'cause I I do care. It's not a black and white issue. Let me be very clear. I'm very offended by that. Um I don't take that um I'm very uh um [1:12:56, 1:13:05]: l let me make this very clear. It's all about quality of life and what's in the best interest of Stockbridge, as far as I'm concerned. [1:13:06, 1:13:07]: And so [1:13:07, 1:13:27]: I'm doing my due diligence and I just want to make sure because of the concerns that you made in regards to the encrunch them in cringing on your property the way it sits and having a runoff calm on, I want to make sure that doesn't happen to you. And I want to make sure for my purposes, I want all the information to hear on both sides. And we do have a board. [1:13:27, 1:13:29]: We have what we call a planning and zoning board. [1:13:30, 1:13:50]: And we appointed that board, and that board is with all constituents throughout the city of Stockbridge. Um and I always highly recommend people volunteering to be on specific boards anytime we have a splot, a slot available, and we have several boards that everyone can. [1:13:49, 1:13:53]: [4435.2, 4441.5]: stated that they recommended approval and it's sixteen homes on one acre lots. And right now, [1:14:01, 1:14:04]: That to me was a a breath of fresh air. [1:14:05, 1:14:05]: Considering [1:14:06, 1:14:08]: I found myself battling all the time. [1:14:09, 1:14:10]: People trying to put [1:14:11, 1:14:26]: five homes on one acre or four homes on an acre and trying to do m apartments or town homes. Town homes have become extremely popular. And so, you know, we have to we choose our battles on certain things. But I just want I I heard her and my concerns are [1:14:27, 1:14:28]: How far? [1:14:28, 1:14:31]: Apart, how far feet apart and is it close to her? [1:14:32, 1:14:32]: Her [1:14:32, 1:14:34]: If close to your property's one thing. [1:14:35, 1:14:35]: But [1:14:35, 1:14:55]: Your home, you know, or or uh or something, uh structure is a concern of mine as well. We have uh a chart in uh UDC uh that um that that defines the amount of feet between two different zoning districts from a SR to a RR zoning district, the buffer requirements. [1:14:55, 1:15:05]: There will be more. Yes, ma'am. Okay. All right. Um and I think [1:15:08, 1:15:28]: Um, I think that is uh i all I have to say. The only other comment I have is I am more relieved that no one's coming here trying to build more homes on that property or the properties that's being sold. Um and I'm also [1:15:28, 1:15:46]: um very pleased with the fact that amenities are being offered for such a small amount of homes. Um you're talking less than twenty homes that have to maintain and have an upkeep. Um so that's some pretty high end high end properties. And they they were beautiful. [1:15:47, 1:15:49]: Um, but I did want to make sure [1:15:49, 1:16:09]: that there wouldn't be any encroachments or anything coming on to if if there would have been council member uh we would have he would have had to apply for a variance of some type but we wouldn't approve the varence to be that close to our property line. Okay anyway. All right, thank you. Mr. Blount go ahead please. Thank you, Mayor. Um [1:16:10, 1:16:30]: That was also my concern because um like I said with uh Ms. Barber taking it being her district and me seeing um the acreage per um you know house per acre was really good. Um I [1:16:30, 1:16:41]: I would like to ask the developer what is the total difference from the distance from the pickleball court from the nearest house? [1:16:45, 1:16:52]: No no no, ma'am, you've already had your opportunity to speak. I'm sorry. It's a good developer up here. Thank you. [1:16:54, 1:16:56]: And the reason I'm asking this because [1:16:56, 1:16:59]: And and let me clarify something also. [1:17:00, 1:17:00]: Um [1:17:02, 1:17:22]: I'm I'm I want to say this nice. This council makes decision on what we feel is best for the city of Stockbridge, not a certain people or color, race, or religion. Um and that's what I've seen on this council. If it was about that, I wouldn't be on this council. [1:17:22, 1:17:29]: If it was about that I would expose it on this council. Uh and the reason I'm asking about the pickleball because my neighbor that [1:17:30, 1:17:33]: just move and someone else moved in there. [1:17:33, 1:17:53]: They got a little basketball court and sometimes they dribble two balls at the same time and it can be a little nerve wracking. So I just wanna understand the distancing that's going on here. And if there's a if there's a what type of fencing is it on the back end? [1:17:55, 1:17:55]: Ryan. [1:17:56, 1:17:57]: Right. [1:17:58, 1:18:10]: Ryan, yes sir. Also, while he's looking for that, what type of fencing gonna be on the back end where these amenities are to separate them from the properties? Uh privacy fence. [1:18:10, 1:18:30]: privacy fence. So what's the difference what's the distance?'Cause I didn't I mean I mean for s for for a housing for for a project this size to have those type of amenities um it's I mean hey that's nice if you got a good HOA set up HOA set up with it. [1:18:30, 1:18:35]: But what is the distance from that from their nearest house? [1:18:35, 1:18:37]: With the pickleball court. [1:18:42, 1:18:58]: You you g first you're gonna have the if you look on the on the monitor councilman, you can see um the pickleball court is first and then you got the detention fund behind that. So I I I really don't wanna look at the blueprint, just give me the the numbers if you don't mind, sir. [1:18:58, 1:19:18]: So you're looking at about seventy-five yards from the property line, um, which is three quarters of a football field. So it so the pickleball cost seventy gonna be seventy-five yards from the nearest house? The way it's placed, it's placed in the middle of the the of the uh the site as far as the survey, right in these two areas here. [1:19:18, 1:19:19]: Yeah. [1:19:19, 1:19:39]: Is where the um activity, it doesn't have to be pickleball, but it could be tennis courts. Um and then over here you have your retention pond. All this here is a walking trail. So all along this property line will be a privacy uh fence. There also will be landscape sound buffers. [1:19:39, 1:19:56]: um arborides, evergreens that does uh do a whole lot for um sound, especially those those trees grow up to twenty, twenty five feet tall. Okay. Uh four feet, five feet wide. So it's going to What type of trees are they? [1:19:57, 1:20:17]: The evergreen. They stay green are um Arbivades. Um green giants. Yeah. So it's gonna have a natural I have some that's getting out of control. So you're gonna have a natural landscape fence as well where you so it'll be very private. That's also cuts down on a [1:20:17, 1:20:37]: sound as well. Um this whole development is one of we hope to be a model to do more. We we're not track builders. The city is growing especially when we learn as far as the annex you also have um hospitals and medical facilities and things are a couple [1:20:37, 1:20:37]: I'm in here. [1:20:38, 1:20:49]: And um this is the opportunity to have um that next step nice homes or executive homes here. Wash work here or live here, but have to go [1:20:49, 1:21:09]: to Atlanta to get a nice contemporary home because no offense. I I wouldn't ask this last question is what about the runoff? Is the runoff running toward this so I would build the homes? Every house, um like I do in Brookhaven, all downspouts and gutters. [1:21:09, 1:21:29]: Are going to have their own drainage. We're going to return water coming off the roof back to the natural resources. So each house is also going to have what they call a drainage box, which all gutters are going to be hooked up underneath as they come down, going into a six-inch pipe and going into the ground and spread through a filter. [1:21:29, 1:21:49]: Filtration system. Natural water from the rain is natural water. But I do know rain coming off a roof can accumulate. So we made those provisions for that to happen. As far as the commercial areas, as far as the clubhouse and things, the streets, site engineers with the source systems that they're putting in is making sure that everything's coming off of there. [1:21:49, 1:21:53]: is going to the retention pond. Mind you, that will have a fountain. [1:21:54, 1:22:11]: Having a fountain in the potential pond cuts down mosquitoes because it doesn't make the water standing, it keeps the water moving. And so that's that's another thing that we're putting in to stop stuff like that. So you say it was 75 feet? 75 yards. 75 yards. [1:22:12, 1:22:32]: So with the contingencies, if we put contingencies on there that that this is the seventy five yards, the evergreen buffer, um, the water runoff that's gonna be um and you you f because where you're showing me that the pickleball court or tennis court is gonna be, I see that you have actually two [1:22:32, 1:22:37]: Buffers that are there for that. Okay. [1:22:38, 1:22:47]: So this is right in the middle of this whole plan as far as the pro uh neighboring properties on this red line. This is right here in the middle. [1:22:47, 1:23:07]: So you have an HOA established already for this property? We are uh considering and the yeah uh putting together an HOA, but an HOA that can also allow surrounding uh a certain distance of surrounding neighbors in the area to uh have a membership because this place will have a gym and all that that they [1:23:07, 1:23:17]: can also use it'll have to be a yearly membership, you have a card, get through the gate, and they can also um participate in those amenities. [1:23:18, 1:23:25]: Okay, that's the same thing that kinda goes on in the some other areas I don't I don't wanna do a commercial here. Okay. Um [1:23:27, 1:23:28]: Okay. [1:23:29, 1:23:49]: Thanks. All right, ladies and gentlemen, listen. Uh open up the public meeting for for and against. You had the opportunity to speak. Now the co now we have the builder up here and the council is asking questions. Ma'am, you can put your hand down, please. All right. Now we'll continue on with the question from the council. Mr. Alexander, please. Mayor. Yes. Uh point point of one. Uh I'm not sure. What's the point? [1:23:49, 1:24:09]: point of question. For the council approved if you have one more question that we would approve one more question. I'm okay with that. Well listen let's move on to this aspect first. Mr. Alexander go ahead please uh certainly uh sir I appreciate that let's talk about the uh a lot of these homeowners are probably concerned about their their value sounds like you're talking about a pretty high end [1:24:08, 1:24:28]: development, talk about the price points, the target price points for the development, and talk about um uh the you as you mentioned the this the the the what the stormwater system you're talking about is quite complex. Okay. So talk about the intricacies of these of this community [1:24:28, 1:24:48]: And you mentioned that you built a community like this in Brookhaven, is that correct? Well, actually I'm building, I'm finishing off one in Jonesboro, Spopy Village, which is another gated community uh right down the street from the golf course and the new water park. Um And so I have 10 more houses there and then I'm done. [1:24:48, 1:25:08]: Um this all these homes will be on slabs because we do know that Georgia is one big rock. So we're hoping to cut down. I know the development that um uh my neighbor that I talked to her this morning is really concerned about is what she experienced in the rear, uh what was going on in the past. [1:25:08, 1:25:25]: But it's a lot of basements that they put in there. So I imagine that there was some heavy blasting for that. These are going to be on a slab. Um they're not gonna be no on a basement. So that's hopefully that cuts down minimally on, you know, getting deep. Everything checks out. We'll be going no more than [1:25:26, 1:25:34]: 18 inches to twenty-four inches as far as the foundation just going up. That's a big difference in going eight, nine feet digging in the ground. [1:25:35, 1:25:55]: Um and what was your other question? My my question was the price point of the area and then uh talk about the intricacies of it sounds like a pretty intricate uh design. The price point's gonna be right around five hundred. Okay. Um uh s [1:25:54, 1:25:56]: Uh good. [1:25:57, 1:26:17]: Five hundred thousand dollars. Five hundred thousand. So m right between their the five sixty five, depending on the size. If you look at the site plan, one of the good things about this, every house is gonna be different because each lot is a different size. So y every house is gonna be uniquely different and [1:26:17, 1:26:37]: uh uh personal so the prices would fluctuate as far as now the first couple that we're going to put up is going to be um a model is also going to allow people to come in to actually who are interested to add some designs or things onto their house so uh [1:26:37, 1:26:44]: Um potential buyers will have control on how much more they pay for their house depending on the options that they want. [1:26:44, 1:26:53]: So these types home, these'll have like the the th these are modern home, is it pure that they would ha that's correct? The modern type homes. [1:26:54, 1:27:14]: they say the modern type homes yes contemporary homes yeah so will they have like the roof the upper level decks and that kind of thing on them yes it will also we're um going to um uh we have uh well i my company has a uh a partnership or contract [1:27:14, 1:27:16]: with company called Generax. [1:27:16, 1:27:21]: So we're also going to offer solar, but not the panels. [1:27:21, 1:27:23]: Акші совершенс. [1:27:24, 1:27:39]: looks like shingles, but it's actually um you know, you'd be able to use the sun for to keep, you know, electrical and things down as far as uh the energy efficiency of the house. So we're trying some new innovative things with this as well because we're wide open. [1:27:40, 1:28:00]: So i in in this now obviously certainly a five hundred thousand dollar house would actually help in new construction being in that area, raising the property values of the area. Now if you're starting out at five hundred, obviously there is a all-in deluxe. So we're starting at five hundred, you say five sixty-five, something. [1:28:00, 1:28:02]: [5283.5, 5285.2]: It depends on [1:28:05, 1:28:10]: Prop ballpark, sir. Yes, it def it six six fifty. [1:28:10, 1:28:30]: Okay, six fifty is a and that and that's the so in uh in uh in essence we this particular project, we're talking five hundred to s five hundred and something to about six fifty or so modern homes, well designed um community with uh menities as was described with uh [1:28:30, 1:28:40]: uh so few homes on basically initially I think we said one acre lots. We're talking about what, about three qu after the amenities are added, maybe about a three quarter acre lot. [1:28:40, 1:28:55]: About three, yeah, we have to because each house will have its own drainage system in septic. So we couldn't have a bunch of homes in there even if we wanted to. Okay. Um Okay. I heard you mention that there there would be access. So so it'll be a gated community. Yes, sir. [1:28:56, 1:29:02]: Okay. And then along the frontage, are you okay with adding a ten foot multi use path? [1:29:04, 1:29:24]: Okay, for for access. For access. For access. It will be for the general area of that area. You know, as far as like you have to have just like uh in Jonesboro in Spoby Village, um the residents of Spoby Village can go and use the uh workout facility that was just built in that international park. [1:29:24, 1:29:27]: And there because it's a fifty five and over in Jonesboro. [1:29:27, 1:29:47]: Their membership is five dollars a month, which they love. You know, so we just want to offer that in just the general uh uh community that's there to be able to ask. Don't get me too excited. Now you're saying that this facility will be open to the general public, and it's gonna be don't tell me now, it's not you're not trying to say it's on the level of what [1:29:47, 1:30:05]: you're they're offering up at the Clayton County facility. No, no, it ain't that big. Okay. We're just when we're saying that, we're talking about just the surroundings in just in in this little area. In the little men. It was the reason why we mentioned that is because the last meeting that we had, it was brought up as a suggestion just for [1:30:05, 1:30:06]: Goodwill. [1:30:06, 1:30:13]: You know, so a lot of people all you're you're doing all this and we can't use it. Well if you are a neighboring of that [1:30:13, 1:30:23]: you will be able to use it, you know, because we know people living and have been in their houses for over 20 years, like hurting all that. It's it's personal and change is hard. [1:30:23, 1:30:25]: And we can't [1:30:26, 1:30:46]: Can't please everybody, but we can do as much as we can to offer a a good transition. So and the one my last question is obviously you could have built this community, which sounds like a pretty high-end community anywhere. What made you choose Stockbridge in this particular location? [1:30:46, 1:30:53]: it to afford something nice. I take this whole development and put it in Granette County, I could sell these houses for a million million for two. [1:30:54, 1:31:14]: It's the same house. Location is everything. So um, but we also know putting a house like that also helped raise the value and of the community as well. Thank you. Mayor Temp Mayor Putam Barber, go ahead, please. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mayor. For um, so a couple of the questions that I had, my counsel [1:31:14, 1:31:24]: Councilmates have already asked them. Sir, you're the developer or are you the property owner? I'm not the owner, just the developer. Okay, thank you. Is the property owner here? [1:31:25, 1:31:29]: Uh one of'em is yes. Okay. Good to know. Thank you. Um [1:31:31, 1:31:39]: You mentioned about the price point. If you don't mind, can you put up the design one more time, please? Um [1:31:41, 1:31:42]: So [1:31:46, 1:31:51]: Before the council approved um the two high density [1:31:51, 1:31:55]: multifamily town homes on Davis Road. [1:31:55, 1:31:56]: And Valley Hill Road. [1:31:57, 1:32:01]: А рекоменда да те бі сил фамилий дітач хомс. [1:32:02, 1:32:03]: Instead of the high density. [1:32:04, 1:32:08]: So what you proposed is exactly [1:32:09, 1:32:10]: what I recommended. [1:32:11, 1:32:12]: And was hoping for. [1:32:13, 1:32:13]: Um [1:32:14, 1:32:15]: My issue is now [1:32:16, 1:32:21]: The council already approved the high density townhomes. Now we have this. [1:32:21, 1:32:22]: Um [1:32:22, 1:32:27]: The homeowner who lives adjacent to this property does have concerns. [1:32:27, 1:32:29]: Um legitimate concerns. [1:32:29, 1:32:32]: I have not had an opportunity to speak with her. [1:32:32, 1:32:34]: I'd like to speak with her and the property owner. [1:32:35, 1:32:36]: Just to make sure that [1:32:37, 1:32:39]: Everybody their concerns are [1:32:40, 1:32:47]: addressed. Um I am the district representative of this area. Um [1:32:48, 1:32:54]: I support this development. I do. Um and I'll explain why. [1:32:55, 1:32:57]: The property owner has a right. [1:32:57, 1:32:58]: To their property. [1:32:59, 1:33:00]: [5580.4, 5581.4]: We'd like to do. [1:33:02, 1:33:03]: Um I'd much rather [1:33:04, 1:33:06]: For the property owner to sell their property. [1:33:07, 1:33:09]: to a developer who's going to build [1:33:09, 1:33:11]: Something that's comparable. [1:33:12, 1:33:13]: To the area. [1:33:15, 1:33:18]: Other th much rather than build a um [1:33:18, 1:33:21]: multifamily town homes. [1:33:22, 1:33:31]: We don't want any more townhomes. So this single family detached development is really the better choice. [1:33:31, 1:33:32]: Um [1:33:32, 1:33:36]: That is why I'm saying I support this development. [1:33:36, 1:33:43]: But I know that there are some concerns that need to be addressed before I can a hundred percent. [1:33:43, 1:33:48]: uh vote to approve it. Mayor Ford, I'd like to ask um [1:33:49, 1:33:55]: The owner who lives adjacent to it, she does still have some questions. [1:33:55, 1:34:15]: If you would allow her to just ask her questions or make her comment, please, sir. All right. Okay, Stamp, are you done with your piece right now? We'll get to that. Well, I wanted to say that. I want uh we'll get to that. I hear you. Okay, if you're done right now. I don't know if I'm done. I want to hear what her question is. Okay. Uh Ms. Thomas. [1:34:15, 1:34:17]: Do you have do you have to say anything? Do you have anything you need to say, sir? [1:34:18, 1:34:22]: Well, I I do I I don't know who to address [1:34:23, 1:34:35]: And it may be more of a comment. I I don't know who to address this to, but I do uh sympathize and feel for the homeowner here. And it's it's it's resonated with me very heavy. [1:34:35, 1:34:43]: But um Mayor Pro Tem Barber, and I'm addressing this to you, Mayor. Uh Mayor Pro Tem Barber mentioned [1:34:43, 1:34:52]: something to the effect that she had um spoken with a number of the homeowners and I think she just reiterated that [1:34:53, 1:34:54]: Um [1:34:55, 1:35:07]: they were okay with the singer detached. And I and I think she just confirmed that as well. A and and and that resonated with me as well. And it seemed and and I'm [1:35:07, 1:35:12]: gauging the the comments from the citizens that are here, and I only heard from a couple. [1:35:13, 1:35:33]: uh and and Mrs. Calhoun who I don't think even live in the area. Um so my emotions and and my feelings are a little mixed on this, but I I'm I'm trying to figure out and I think um the reason why the owner was requested to come fall [1:35:32, 1:35:43]: to see what we can do to uh mitigate this issue right here with this one uh particular prop on because even though it may be just one. [1:35:43, 1:35:45]: But in of us [1:35:46, 1:35:47]: Could be that one. [1:35:48, 1:36:00]: And and and I and I and I feel for that. I I I understand your point. Now I and I understand that you can't satisfy everybody. I I get that. But but for us in this situation and and and for me, [1:36:00, 1:36:11]: even though I can only just do what I think is best for the city of Stockbridge and vote my conscience. So but we also here [1:36:12, 1:36:14]: To be able to if we can [1:36:14, 1:36:15]: Fix. [1:36:16, 1:36:17]: An issue. [1:36:17, 1:36:19]: I I think we have to exhaust [1:36:20, 1:36:31]: everything that we can and that's why we're here and that we can exhaust this and fix this then you know we we done a a great deed. If we can't then we just can't. [1:36:32, 1:36:52]: So um my emotions are a little mixed with that, and I'm hearing what Mayor Pro Tem Barber is saying because she has reached out to a number of the homeowners or the residents in that area, and appear that they may be okay with the singing detached. And and and if that is the case, then I would be [1:36:52, 1:37:12]: Little bit more in favor as well, but I still sympathize with this one homeowner because um that that could be mean, that could be any of us. So and it's just mostly pretty much just a comment. And I and I guess when the council allow uh her to come back, we may hear a little [1:37:12, 1:37:31]: bit more about that but maybe I just want to just just make those comments. And I I believe I have a consensus on that. So look what we'll talk about uh it's supposed to be public hearing right so we'll open the public hearing yes yes sir any matter one I'm well stand by I'm gonna get to that okay I'm open a public hearing any comments for any comments for on my very left side [1:37:31, 1:37:51]: Mayor if I may if I may one more okay. I could actually one other thing that I could do is the amenities that these shows in the rear of the property. Um one of the things I like about the owners, they're giving me a broad power to do as much as I could. [1:37:51, 1:38:11]: To try to make people happy. And I know that this issue of the pool and the clubhouse and things being so close back there. Um, we probably could look at putting that in the front of the community. So now it's near the main road, away from everybody. Probably since we're opening. [1:38:11, 1:38:22]: it up to other people might be a better idea, so they're not walking through a private community to go all the way in the back to enjoy the commun the the amenities. They could be in the front. [1:38:22, 1:38:23]: of the building. [1:38:23, 1:38:26]: And therefore they can park their cars in the front. [1:38:26, 1:38:27]: And don't even go through the gate. [1:38:28, 1:38:48]: But with that, all those activities and people coming and all that would be nowhere near her property. And probably the people who are living here is not worried about uh people walking through or driving through to get to the amenities. All right, council listen, I wanna open it back up that if if this individual wants to make a comment. [1:38:48, 1:39:08]: I got it. So I'm opening back up to everybody just in case there's any other comments for or point of order. Point of order, Mayor. What's that? We've had a public hearing that we legally supposed to have. Right. And now the c that now we're at a point where the council is doing comments. Right. I'm okay with the citizen that wants to say something, say something. [1:39:08, 1:39:28]: But we need to finish with this with us with our comments and then we can vote to allow her to speak. But it's not for us to open the public hearing back up. That's out of protocol on how we do public hearings. Because I've always said if we do something one time for one public hearing, then we open it up. [1:39:28, 1:39:48]: door up for every public hearing and I do not want us having two public hearings because we're do trying to do this every time we have a public hearing. Well I understand it but if you I mean you all can overrule me if that's the case. But the point of it is is that if you want her to speak, I'm opening it up. Well mayor I like to motion to overrule during a public hearing again and allow her to speak after we comment. [1:39:48, 1:39:56]: After the council comments. All right. You're making that a motion this time, sir? Yes. I second. All right. All in favor, please indicate? [1:39:57, 1:40:04]: Clarification. [1:40:05, 1:40:09]: And then we'll allow her to ask a question. [1:40:10, 1:40:21]: versus opening the public hearing back up because that sets a precedence for future public hearings that we can do it twice. And I do not want to set that precedence for this council. [1:40:23, 1:40:41]: Comment, Mayor? I I I do agree with that and I do understand that, but I am in favor of once the process goes through that we do allow uh the homeowner to come back and speak. So if that's a part of the motion. That's a part of the motion. Then I'm I'm okay with that. [1:40:42, 1:40:43]: Any other comments? [1:40:43, 1:40:45]: All right, make your motion, sir. [1:40:46, 1:41:02]: I've already made the motion has been second and it's already been voted on, Mayor. Okay, all in favor? Once again, make sure we got all in favor. All right. All all opposed. Okay. So four zero one four one. You opposed. I do, Mayor Ford. I do want to be able to make comments. Oh sure. Um [1:41:02, 1:41:22]: I don't know what the resident may say. She may have a question for me. Okay. So if I wanna respond to her question, I wanna be able to do that. You better respond. All right. Mayor. Mayor, I'm st we're still in the council comment phase and I asked to speak. And the motion was to allow the council listen to the motion, Mayor. [1:41:22, 1:41:30]: That we just voted on. Okay. It's to allow the counsel to finish speaking and then allow her to speak. Go ahead, finish your comment, sir. [1:41:30, 1:41:32]: One of the things I want to say is [1:41:33, 1:41:49]: while we have you up here, because I wanna make sure the concerns and I see that you're very amendable to the concerns of the citizens that live in the area, because it's gone from twenty five feet to seventy five yards. It's gone from [1:41:50, 1:41:52]: Uh it's going to a double buffer. [1:41:52, 1:42:12]: It's actually going to um set you know, with the water runoff that you guys are mitigating that situation. And it's gone from all the blasting to you're not doing basement, you're doing slabs. These are the things that that I appreciate. But only for my last comment on this is that one of the comments that was made on this council. [1:42:12, 1:42:12]: Okay. [1:42:13, 1:42:16]: It said that we don't want any more. [1:42:16, 1:42:17]: Town homes. [1:42:18, 1:42:21]: Each council member speaks for themselves. [1:42:22, 1:42:27]: In your opinion on this council, it's about your private opinion. [1:42:28, 1:42:41]: Don't speak for everyone unless you understand what everyone wants. We are not closed doors to any more townhomes. We're specifically talking about this situation and [1:42:42, 1:42:50]: And mitigating whatever needs to be done. And we're trying to just keep order. And that's what I like to operate in order, decent and in order. [1:42:51, 1:42:55]: So that's why I say after we speak, I would love to hear another your your [1:42:55, 1:42:58]: Final comment, and that's all I have to say. [1:42:58, 1:43:18]: Alright, any other comments from the rest of the council? Just one. Go ahead, sir. The the last thing that I wanna say is I wanna I wanna concur with ms what Mr. Blount just said. We certainly don't wanna send out the message that we're close to any kind of housing. You know, I I I I I I felt something today. I was on a social media post and one of the renters [1:43:18, 1:43:20]: She was really hurt. [1:43:20, 1:43:28]: By the fact that someone ev all of these posts were keep were being made attacking renters. And what she said was. [1:43:29, 1:43:30]: I'm not a bad person. [1:43:31, 1:43:39]: I'm not somebody that's coming come in and destroy your community. Why is everybody saying all the renters are bad and all the homeowners are good? [1:43:39, 1:43:59]: That's not something that we ought to do as to stereotype people and to beat down people. I never forget that I rented myself. I I when I couldn't afford, I rented. There is a segment of the population that has to rent and they shouldn't be beat down upon. And certainly it has to be appropriate for the community. [1:43:59, 1:44:09]: But I don't know uh I we are practicing diversity here, right? Yeah, exactly. That means that we welcome everybody. And as a segment of the population [1:44:09, 1:44:19]: that needs that product because it is an entry-level home for those who can't afford a detached house that costs four hundred or five hundred thousand dollars. [1:44:19, 1:44:39]: And I don't want to ever send out the message that we don't want anybody here who can't afford a single family home because we don't allow townhomes here. That's where we were 20 years ago. That's why you don't see any here. And it was a regressive message that said, We don't want you here. And I never want to send out that message ever. [1:44:39, 1:44:59]: again to anybody because we want to do what's appropriate for the community, but I never want to say we don't want you here. I know you didn't mean it that way, but that's the way that some people might have taken it. Because that young lady was really hurt by she reading these comments and she said, I thought I I didn't know I moved here to be attacked for being a renter. It was [1:44:59, 1:45:19]: Wrong. And when you think about it, I want everybody to sit back and look at themselves and say, what can we do to do to be better? And certainly, what really happens is the landlords in these single-family communities are what the real problem is. That's what the problem is. The renter is not the problem in many of these incidents. [1:45:19, 1:45:39]: It's the fact that these landlords, the corporate landlords, are greedy and they don't take care of those properties like they should be. But when a good development comes to you, where they're gonna take care of the grass, they're gonna cut, they're gonna make sure that the product is taken care of, that's what that's a best case scenario for us and for everybody. And I just don't want to close the door on. [1:45:39, 1:45:41]: Thank you. [1:45:42, 1:45:49]: Airport, I wanted to just move on and allow the homeowner. That that was coming up next. I you raised your hand. Come on, ma'am, come to the po to the podium, please. [1:45:54, 1:45:55]: Name and address. [1:45:55, 1:46:00]: Susan Grosvenor, three ten Valley Hill Road, Stockbridge, Georgia, three zero two eight one. [1:46:00, 1:46:01]: Um [1:46:02, 1:46:03]: Can I use this right here? [1:46:04, 1:46:24]: Okay. On on the property right here, he said that it is seventeen point something acres. There's sixteen houses going on it. Okay. On this that you're seeing, you can see the house up in front of me. Stand by please. Ryan, if you if she's got the same thing that's on the screen, you probably need to show us on the screen what she's referring to. [1:46:24, 1:46:27]: We can't see that from that paper. [1:46:28, 1:46:29]: Yeah, if you guys. [1:46:29, 1:46:32]: Yeah, and you have to sp and pr please speak into the mic as well, ma'am. [1:46:35, 1:46:37]: Is that is that this what she's showing right there? Okay. [1:46:38, 1:46:55]: As you can see that there is um you can see where the property is up in front of me. What you can't see on that is th that my track, the track that I live on. Um he said that it's gonna the the pool and the clubhouse and all that seventy five yards off of the property line. [1:46:55, 1:47:09]: There's no way that that can be seventy five yards off the property line because there is a swimming pool, a clubhouse, the retention pond, and um two tennis court pickleballs, you know, and a dog park. [1:47:10, 1:47:18]: I mean that that takes up I I'm not I I don't know that much about acreage, but that's probably gonna take up about three acres right there. [1:47:19, 1:47:22]: I am I am literally begging y'all this evening. [1:47:24, 1:47:25]: I am prepared. [1:47:26, 1:47:28]: To uproot my whole entire family and sell. [1:47:29, 1:47:30]: If this goes through. [1:47:31, 1:47:35]: So I am asking y'all all to just dig deep in your hearts. [1:47:36, 1:47:38]: And think about the residents of Henry County. [1:47:40, 1:47:43]: е на жест девелмент [1:47:45, 1:47:48]: I've been in my house for twenty three years. [1:47:48, 1:47:50]: I don't want to move. [1:47:50, 1:47:54]: I was born in Stockbridge. I was raised in Stockbridge. [1:47:55, 1:47:56]: I've been here all my life. [1:47:56, 1:47:58]: This is my home. [1:47:59, 1:48:00]: I don't want to move. [1:48:01, 1:48:04]: But I am prepared to if this goes through [1:48:07, 1:48:11]: I thank y'all from the bottom of my heart for letting me talk just one more time. [1:48:13, 1:48:14]: Upset. [1:48:14, 1:48:15]: And I have fed [1:48:16, 1:48:21]: А хол оди про тела фітін єрс. [1:48:22, 1:48:26]: I've got three grandkids that sit at the kitchen table. [1:48:26, 1:48:29]: And watch the deer every single day. [1:48:29, 1:48:33]: And it's something that's special to me and it's something special to them. [1:48:34, 1:48:36]: Can I build it someplace else? Yeah. [1:48:37, 1:48:39]: I can. Do I want to? [1:48:39, 1:48:40]: No. [1:48:43, 1:48:45]: My house means so much to me. [1:48:46, 1:48:49]: And whenever you bring in blasting [1:48:50, 1:48:51]: Whenever you bring in [1:48:52, 1:48:53]: Jack Hammering. [1:48:53, 1:48:55]: From all the rock? [1:48:55, 1:48:58]: It's gonna do nothing but damage my house. [1:48:59, 1:49:01]: Like I said, I've spent [1:49:01, 1:49:03]: Over ten thousand dollars. [1:49:04, 1:49:11]: in the last six months just trying to get my house stable and everything to where it was before the subdivision went in. [1:49:12, 1:49:14]: I know things break down over time. [1:49:15, 1:49:18]: But I'm asking y'all please not to put this through. [1:49:19, 1:49:26]: Thank you. Thank you. All right. Um any other questions uh for the developer or Mr. Addison Council? [1:49:26, 1:49:30]: Mayor Ford. Go ahead, please. I do. I wanted to ask um [1:49:31, 1:49:35]: Considering the other rezoning cases that were on our agenda. [1:49:35, 1:49:37]: All the other ones. [1:49:37, 1:49:41]: were deferred until November thirteenth. I wanted to ask if we can also [1:49:41, 1:49:42]: Deferred this one. [1:49:43, 1:49:44]: Until November thirteenth. [1:49:44, 1:49:47]: Just to give a little bit more time to [1:49:48, 1:49:50]: Talk with the developer. [1:49:50, 1:49:52]: In the homeowner to just give some [1:49:53, 1:49:57]: Considerations before we make a final decision. [1:49:57, 1:50:15]: After the first uh meeting that we had and it was uh talked about, it was brought up that have I talked to anybody around the property? Um and I haven't, but after that first meeting, in between this meeting, um, they have my number. [1:50:16, 1:50:19]: They have called me, they have text mi H spoke to her several times. [1:50:20, 1:50:27]: When she had a question as far as setbacks and everything, I this morning put her on the phone with the site engineers and told her ask any questions that you want. [1:50:28, 1:50:32]: Сайт інженер твол да вотюсі і за пропоз. [1:50:33, 1:50:37]: It is not a definite until we go through and complete the system. [1:50:37, 1:50:57]: So things these are just lines on paper. Things can be changed to a certain point. Um I also offered after she told me the story about her house being damaged, is to get a current um state uh inspection of her foundation. And since she lives that close by, then we'll be willing to do [1:50:57, 1:51:01]: to add a marine policy of liability. [1:51:01, 1:51:10]: And once we got the current status of her foundation, and and and if something like that did damage the foundation. [1:51:10, 1:51:14]: Тим ви хавірс и на марін полісім то фикси. [1:51:14, 1:51:34]: We're trying to be preventative. You know, if things, if it seems like I don't know if it's gonna be any blasting. I don't know, I haven't gotten that far yet. I haven't cleared the land. But if it is, I would tell everybody in the area, hey, I strongly advise to, and we can offer to take down any valuables, pictures, vises, bubble wrapple. [1:51:34, 1:51:49]: to do whatever we can because I don't know the value of this stuff, but I hate for it to be broken, especially when we could have prepared for it in the beginning. So I we have stuck um ourselves out there to be accommodating as we can. [1:51:50, 1:51:55]: Uh right now the financing we've already purchased the property. We we're not paying payments on it. [1:51:56, 1:52:11]: But we need to be able to move because we paid over a million dollars for this property. So um the more time that we prolong this is is costing us and actually will enable us to do the things that we're trying to do to help other people. [1:52:13, 1:52:22]: Okay. Any other comments for a developer or Mr. Anderson? And if not, if no other comments signed in a motion to accept the proposal for this development. [1:52:22, 1:52:24]: Mayor Ford, I'd like to make a motion, please. [1:52:25, 1:52:30]: I'd like to make a motion to table this proposal until November thirteenth meeting. [1:52:31, 1:52:32]: Is there a second motion? [1:52:32, 1:52:33]: I circum. [1:52:34, 1:52:37]: Okay. Mr. Thomas sects that motion. Any further discussion? [1:52:38, 1:52:40]: Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. [1:52:42, 1:52:43]: Mayor, um [1:52:44, 1:52:49]: This council has to make a lot of um tough decisions. [1:52:50, 1:52:55]: What came before us and the concerns that came before us. [1:52:56, 1:53:10]: I see these concerns being um rectified in a lot of ways. The numbers are different and and if we hold you to what you're saying, they're totally I I I live where I live [1:53:11, 1:53:14]: The back of my house is not far from the railroad track. [1:53:14, 1:53:17]: And even a blasting from the rock quarry. [1:53:17, 1:53:22]: I'm I get cracks all around my house. The third I'm on my third [1:53:23, 1:53:30]: whole the whole door, side lamps and everything's been replaced three times because of blasting. [1:53:30, 1:53:49]: And when you tell me that you're mitigating these concerns by offering this insurance that you all would fix whatever, when you're saying that your the distance is different, when you're saying that you're willing to move the amenities toward the front, a lot of things you're doing to say you mitigate the concerns of the community. [1:53:49, 1:53:51]: And l [1:53:51, 1:53:52]: Let me be clear. [1:53:53, 1:53:55]: What you all heard tonight. [1:53:56, 1:53:59]: Is that your council representative says she's okay with this? [1:54:01, 1:54:03]: Сі, амнат, он го банк-форт. [1:54:05, 1:54:14]: She just said tonight right here that she's okay with this. This is the type of development she's been wanting in the district when the other development was approved. [1:54:15, 1:54:19]: This is what came out of her mouth. She's okay with this. [1:54:19, 1:54:24]: See the problem we have is a point of order. And this is what you heard. [1:54:24, 1:54:32]: Mayor Ford. But what's a port order? Can we stick with the item I don't need Councilman Blount speaking for me? Okay. [1:54:32, 1:54:35]: Um what I've asked is that we defer this. [1:54:36, 1:54:38]: Or table this into our next council meeting. [1:54:39, 1:54:39]: All right. [1:54:40, 1:54:42]: All right. [1:54:43, 1:54:48]: I'm not speaking for anyone up here. I'm only reiterating what was said up here. [1:54:50, 1:54:56]: What was said, if something came out of my mouth and someone say what I said, that's what I said. [1:54:56, 1:55:01]: One of the things I tell you all and I say it when projects first come to us. [1:55:01, 1:55:04]: That you either for a project or you're not. [1:55:05, 1:55:08]: And if you as a council representative say I'm for [1:55:09, 1:55:13]: Then then that's what we have to go. That's the starting point for me. [1:55:14, 1:55:20]: All right. Uh yes sir. Go ahead, please. Mr. Thomas. Uh I I want clarification. I know um [1:55:20, 1:55:25]: Mayor Pro Tem motion to defer. Yes. Um [1:55:26, 1:55:27]: in that [1:55:28, 1:55:28]: Uh [1:55:30, 1:55:33]: And I'm addressing this to you of course. Okay, go ahead. Um [1:55:35, 1:55:55]: What what is going to take place uh in the meantime? Um will the owners, developers come back with those conditions to to to rectify and um and I'm and I'm addressing you, Mayor. Yeah, well I was assuming that's what that would happen. I'm I'm assuming that I didn't make the [1:55:55, 1:56:15]: Before I could vote on this, I need to know, even though I second it, even though I need to know what is going to happen, what is the conversation, what is the dialogue that's going to happen in between, uh, in order. I I just don't want to defer this, just to defer it. [1:56:15, 1:56:35]: But if there's going to be some action taken, uh if there's going to be some conditions uh discussed and approved, then I understand that. But I just sort of need to know what is going to happen from tonight until uh the November meeting. Well it's just my assumption that the things that the [1:56:35, 1:56:55]: the that the developer m and mentioned in reference to things he wants to do, things that the changes that he's mentioned publicly and this on is on tape now, that those are things that'd be solidified as my assumption. I mean that's what I would think. But I mean those but but those are already on tape. So I mean I would imagine you can still do those make those changes. Stand by I'm still I'm talking. I'm [1:56:55, 1:57:05]: that uh those things can probably still be f uh finalized based on this conversation because it's all on tape. Okay, in that aspect. That's what my assumption is. Now could could you ask um [1:57:05, 1:57:07]: Uh the gentleman to confirm. [1:57:07, 1:57:08]: Yes, sir, without a doubt. Go ahead, sir. [1:57:09, 1:57:11]: Right now I'm here to seek the approval. [1:57:12, 1:57:20]: Um there will be changes um that I have mentioned today in working with the planning and zoning as far as especially [1:57:21, 1:57:41]: Putting everything in the front. I think that's a good idea, personally, for many reasons. And I think that's the a main point of concern that um I think for the people who will eventually move in here and for the people around to move the amenities in the front. So there are things that we still have to do. [1:57:41, 1:57:51]: do to get through once we get through this meeting to get final approval by planning and zoning. And so um but yeah, I I I stick by everything that I said here. [1:57:52, 1:58:04]: And I believe part of your conversation, uh Mr. Alexander asked you or confirmed but about having a ten foot path, I believe, up front. There's a gated community, so that would I'm assuming that that ten foot front would be out inside the gate for those residents of that particular area. [1:58:04, 1:58:05]: Say that again. [1:58:05, 1:58:13]: Outside, you're talking about outside the gate, not inside the gate. Yes, outside. Okay, all right. All right. Outside the gate it is. Okay. [1:58:13, 1:58:18]: But so that's what I that's why I assume there uh Mr uh Thomas. Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead please. [1:58:19, 1:58:19]: Thank you, sir. [1:58:20, 1:58:22]: Um, I did make the motion to defer. [1:58:22, 1:58:26]: Um this presentation of the proposal into our next [1:58:26, 1:58:27]: City Council meeting. [1:58:28, 1:58:29]: And the reason why [1:58:29, 1:58:30]: I recommend it. [1:58:31, 1:58:31]: To defer it. [1:58:32, 1:58:33]: Is because there is [1:58:33, 1:58:34]: More [1:58:34, 1:58:35]: Due diligence. [1:58:36, 1:58:38]: Um the developer has mentioned he needs to do [1:58:38, 1:58:40]: And it will allow me some [1:58:40, 1:58:42]: Time to speak with the homeowner. [1:58:42, 1:58:43]: And the developer. [1:58:44, 1:58:50]: to make sure that the concerns are addressed. Um, I want us to do this together. [1:58:51, 1:59:01]: I don't want to just be making decisions and forcing things on these homeowners. You'll see most of them support the efforts. [1:59:01, 1:59:04]: As long as they know what the plans are. [1:59:04, 1:59:07]: Um and I want them to feel as though they're part. [1:59:07, 1:59:08]: Of the decision making. [1:59:09, 1:59:11]: This is in my district. [1:59:12, 1:59:15]: This homeowner, if she has any issues with this development. [1:59:15, 1:59:17]: She's gonna be contacting me. [1:59:18, 1:59:18]: After the fact [1:59:19, 1:59:20]: Once they start. [1:59:20, 1:59:21]: Building. [1:59:22, 1:59:24]: She has issues, she'll be coming to me. [1:59:25, 1:59:26]: So I'm asking. [1:59:26, 1:59:28]: For the support of my councilmates. [1:59:29, 1:59:30]: То лісенту персона [1:59:31, 1:59:33]: Who is responsible for representing? [1:59:33, 1:59:34]: These homeowners. [1:59:36, 1:59:39]: Ам респонсел по the homeowners. [1:59:39, 1:59:40]: First. [1:59:41, 1:59:48]: I support development. I support your development, but the homeowner is priority for me. [1:59:49, 1:59:55]: Thank you, sir. I'd like to let the council I'd like to let the council know that the owner of this property [1:59:56, 2:00:00]: The house that you see in the front of this property, that's where he lives as well. [2:00:00, 2:00:02]: So he lives on the property. [2:00:03, 2:00:05]: His brother lives on the other house on the property. [2:00:06, 2:00:07]: They're in your district too. [2:00:07, 2:00:11]: And so um and they're trying to make things better as well. [2:00:11, 2:00:26]: All right. You missed that. Go ahead, please. Call the question or move. But I was gonna do uh as soon as he was done, I was gonna do that. So y you are done, sir, with your comments right now? Yes, sir. Okay. So the motion's on there a motion has been moved and seconded to defer this until November thirteen. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:00:27, 2:00:28]: On pose. [2:00:30, 2:00:35]: Okay, motion fails. Mayor Ford. Motion fails. Mayor Ford. Mayor Ford. [2:00:36, 2:00:41]: Go ahead, Mr. Mayor Mayor, I'd like to make a motion for approval with the contingency [2:00:41, 2:00:48]: of approval of the last plaque or the last conditions being shown to this council. [2:00:49, 2:01:09]: And that's those conditions include having the menages up front, having the uh path put up front, uh doing the insurance with the homeowner, all of these things we just discussed, we need to see that in writing. That's why there's a contingency on this approval. It's approval with [2:01:09, 2:01:10]: Those contingencies. [2:01:11, 2:01:12]: Sir second that motion. [2:01:13, 2:01:25]: I second. Okay. For clarification, there's a ten foot multi-use path along the entire frontage of the property. There's a ten foot multi-use path along the entire frontage of the property. [2:01:26, 2:01:43]: Now the the walking trail will be still in the rear'cause that's the most wooded area. But as far as the clubhouse and the retention pond would also be in the rear. But as far as the clubhouse and the amenities and parking lots and stuff would be a little bit more. [2:01:43, 2:02:03]: The trail you'll be able to is gonna go around the whole property. Right, but the but but but for the public access, we're we're requiring that it be along the frontage of the road. Right. But not that trail. He is a trailer not inside the I'm not talking about inside the property. I'm talking about inside. I'm talking about [2:02:03, 2:02:23]: But the front. It will abide by code coded um setbacks, front and side setbacks, and it'll be placed right there in the front before and then there will be a gate for everyone else to go into. Ryan, do you understand what I'm saying? That that we were just like we required the 10-foot path across the web, then we were required there. [2:02:23, 2:02:26]: Yeah, on the front end. Yeah. Yes, yes sir. [2:02:27, 2:02:41]: All right. Motion made to accept this proposal with all the additional changes that uh recommendations and changes that you agreed to, sir. Okay. Any further comment? What those changes what those changes put in writing. That's correct, sir. I'm sorry about it with the change put in writing. [2:02:43, 2:02:46]: Wait, I didn't know. [2:02:46, 2:03:06]: Comments. Yes. Yes, sir. I I just need to be clear on the condition. Because there were you mentioned evergreen trees, you mentioned a privacy fence. Is that included in what Ryan has and I can just get from him? Or was that brought on tonight? [2:03:06, 2:03:15]: No, but I'm not gonna do that. There were number no, I'm not gonna ask him what he said. It's not conditioned on the site plan. [2:03:16, 2:03:22]: It is currently not. No, it's not currently. Yeah. [2:03:25, 2:03:28]: Yeah. [2:03:29, 2:03:34]: Yeah, ten foot wide sidewalk across the frontage. Yes. Which is required by code anyway. [2:03:36, 2:03:36]: Required. [2:03:37, 2:03:38]: So those were the two main [2:03:39, 2:03:40]: In the two buffers. [2:03:41, 2:04:00]: The two buffers two buffers was in the rear. We don't have to do that now if we bring it in. That's not a condition, it's just a it's been all day. It's required by code. I only mention that because Councilman Blount said with all of the conditions that have been mentioned tonight. [2:04:00, 2:04:08]: my concern are we still talking about the the footage, we're still talking about the good length away from the house though, right? [2:04:08, 2:04:28]: It's in the front now. He's moving the amenities from the from the back that was causing the issue. He's moving those to the front now. Then what then then what type of buffer you say we have from the first I have a twenty five foot it's required by code between S R and R R zoning. It's a twenty five foot buffer that's required by the UDC. [2:04:28, 2:04:48]: So that's standard. So if you want any other buffer, then that would be uh a condition if you want a a larger buffer. But the buffer was wider if the menu Z was in the back with the pickleball court. Is that what you're saying? Yes, but he's moving all the way to the front now. So he'll just comply with the normal code. [2:04:48, 2:04:51]: But he still have more than twenty five feet in the back in the rear. [2:04:52, 2:04:58]: But you don't think we'll have to see how he reconfigures his site. He's it's gonna require a total reconfiguration of the cyclone. [2:04:59, 2:05:03]: Yeah. Yeah. W but this is gonna contingency to approve the site plan anyway. So [2:05:04, 2:05:10]: And and my last thing is the slab rather than a basement, correct? Yes, yes. [2:05:12, 2:05:12]: Is you okay? [2:05:13, 2:05:17]: All right. So we got all those down. Yes. Okay. All in favor of motion please indicate. [2:05:18, 2:05:19]: Opposed. [2:05:21, 2:05:30]: Okay. Oh abstinent. 302. Motion pass. Thank you, gentlemen. 302. All right, we'll move on. [2:05:35, 2:05:55]: To new business actually. We're going to new business. New business is council consideration to approved an increase in annual expenditure amount for the right-of-way landscaping from$200,000 to$300,000. Staff requested$300,000 in this proposal in the FY 2023 budget, but it was reduced to$200,000 in their approval and approved FY23 budget. The annual contract. [2:05:55, 2:05:57]: [7558.0, 7566.1]: L is two hundred uh ninety-four thousand two hundred twenty dollars and fifty two cents. Funding sources from fund balance. Mr. Aaron, please. [2:06:06, 2:06:26]: Uh yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. We come before you tonight to ask that you uh allow staff to increase this uh right-of-way maintenance budget to comply with the contract so that we can continue our right-of-way maintenance on a weekly schedule for roles such as Rock Warry, Campground, Hudson Bridge, Jodie. [2:06:26, 2:06:33]: Flippin', Walt Stevens, Davison Parkway, Old Atlanta Road, East Atlanta Road. [2:06:34, 2:06:42]: Okay, sir, I have a question. Yeah, go ahead please. Now I I go to the same barbershop you go to. You do [2:06:42, 2:07:02]: That and now that Manderley is in the city limits. It is. It is really unattractive that that fent that that grass is not cut to the fence. Okay. It's just cut like five feet and then that grass is like really, really tall when you pass the barber shop to um that. Right. I think you should really we should really consider. [2:07:02, 2:07:13]: consider doing that so that that whole thing is cut to the fence right there at uh where Mandalie I'm personally fine with that. Matter of fact uh Ms. Gand lives in the same community so she sees it all the time as well when she goes down the street. [2:07:16, 2:07:19]: Okay, so I that's I'm fine with that. That's fine with me. That makes sense. [2:07:20, 2:07:20]: That makes sense to me. [2:07:21, 2:07:33]: Add some beautification. Then the beautification board might a actually add some beautification there once we get it cleaned up. That uh that's my suggestion there, but it's not my district, it's Ms. Gantt's. It is a it is a district. So Miss Gantt you have a comment? [2:07:37, 2:07:39]: I don't have any comments because [2:07:40, 2:07:46]: Is this item number thirteen that we're dealing with? Yeah we're we're right, item thirteen, new business. That's right. So [2:07:47, 2:08:07]: I've discussed some of the things that I want with our public works director. I'm I'm pretty confident that some of the things are getting done. I'm I'm excited about the street lights coming down Spear Road and some of the road pavements. And I agree. I want the gr I don't want high grass up right up front, but we will talk about that and get some of those things done. [2:08:07, 2:08:08]: I do [2:08:08, 2:08:13]: Have concerns about this funding source is coming from fund balance. [2:08:13, 2:08:15]: And we're almost to the end of the year. [2:08:16, 2:08:19]: So, what is it that we need right now? [2:08:20, 2:08:21]: [7702.1, 7710.1]: And that we need to add additional hundred thousand dollars to. Well if we don't add the additional, then that weekly right away more will cease because we'll be out of money. [2:08:30, 2:08:50]: What right-of-way are you talking about? The right-of-ways on the road I just mentioned, Campground Road is mowed weekly under this, Hudson Bridge Road, Jodyco Road, Rock Quarry Road, Walt Stevens Road, Flippins Road, Old Atlanta Road, Davidson Parkway, uh East Atlanta Road are the roads that are mowed. [2:08:50, 2:08:53]: Under this. How about it? [2:08:54, 2:08:57]: North Henry? Sorry, and North Henry Boulevard, yes. [2:08:58, 2:08:59]: So do we do your spear road too? [2:09:00, 2:09:01]: Spear Road is done by staff. [2:09:02, 2:09:02]: Okay. [2:09:05, 2:09:25]: Can I ask a question? Well, let me let me do this for a second. How how is this figured into all the rest of the roads we the 91 miles of additional roads we just got in as the one January? Well, the that that's not included in this. Okay. This was in place before we added the additional roads through the annexation. All right. [2:09:24, 2:09:40]: Prior year in 2022 it was$300,000 anyway. It was$300? Yes. Okay. So I'm I'm confused. Why would we take the money out of fund balance when all of this money is in the hotel motel tax that we can use this for? Why are we doing that? [2:09:40, 2:09:46]: We got ho we we we uh we got three new hotels coming. That's okay. Instead of doing the taking the money out of fund balance. [2:09:49, 2:09:56]: Is that something you can answer, sir? Or is that Mr. Gardner does answer this question? That would that'll be either Mr. Gardner or or Mr. Wigan's. [2:10:06, 2:10:10]: Не кансул кансмалександр ви канат уз. [2:10:10, 2:10:18]: Hotel motel tax as we know it for this. You you already have the three percent hotel motel tax that goes into the general fund is commingled. Mm-hmm. [2:10:18, 2:10:38]: But you're talking now about separating out out of the general fund that three percent that typically goes in to fund your economic development and whatever else, that liberal portion of it, right? So even though you're using fund balance, anytime you have savings, some of that savings is attributable to all your revenue sources, whether it's hotel, motel, lost. [2:10:38, 2:10:53]: Fees, fines, and forfeitures. So you even though you're pulling it from that, you're still somewhat pulling it because all of your revenue is commingled in the general fund together to pay for general fund expenses. So to say you wanted to pay for motel motel. [2:10:54, 2:11:03]: You you can't just openly say that like that because and I'm telling you from a community that got in trouble with DCA for council members saying it. [2:11:04, 2:11:05]: We have to [2:11:06, 2:11:21]: way w how you say it. So you have three percent that goes to general fund. You have another one and a half percent that goes to tourist product development. That's your stadiums, your those type of things to bring heads to bed, faces to places. [2:11:21, 2:11:37]: That type of you have another one point something that goes to your DMO and advertising. So just to say hotel motel, we have to be make the most you have to be we have to be kinda cognizant of that. Um but yes. So w you know, to continue this when when we did the budget. [2:11:37, 2:11:38]: We underestimated it. [2:11:39, 2:11:43]: And and it's obviously real short and we're asking to bring that forward. [2:11:43, 2:11:46]: То то континути сервис овертайм. [2:11:47, 2:12:01]: I will tell you that we've changed management of our streets crew and our land and you'll start to see a huge difference in what's going on in terms of our right-of-way maintenance. Um, Mr. Barnes is now heading that that shop. [2:12:01, 2:12:04]: And you already start to see some things happening. [2:12:04, 2:12:10]: Um under his tenure and his leadership and you'll continue to see that happening. I wanna give him kudos to his team too far. [2:12:11, 2:12:14]: Thank you. I'm sorry for s interrupting you, Mr. Gardner. Thank you. [2:12:15, 2:12:28]: Mayor. Well, before you go, I know it's your district, right? Mr. Blount, go ahead please. Uh a qu a question and I think Mr Gardner kinda hit hit on what we were saying because you look at a two hundred thousand dollar budget. [2:12:30, 2:12:41]: And now you're saying with about two and a half months left in a year, we can we need to bring one third of that budget, add one third of what we already putting on there, another hundred thousand dollars. [2:12:41, 2:12:45]: onto that for because we have more right aways. [2:12:46, 2:12:50]: Um somehow I need to find out um how can we [2:12:53, 2:13:04]: Because I don't know the numbers uh versus the work. That's just a big jump from two hundred thousand to almost another half of the two hundred thousand dollars to be added on for two and a half months left in the year. [2:13:05, 2:13:05]: Well. [2:13:05, 2:13:15]: It's some invoices that are outstanding that needs to be paid, but we currently don't have the money to pay it because we're at the the two hundred thousand dollars that's in the purchase order. [2:13:16, 2:13:35]: Yeah, but so you're saying that this this hundred thousand dollars is not to do the extra work, but to c cover invoices as already the work has already been done? Yes. F FY twenty twenty-two the budget was three hundred thousand for right-of-way maintenance. The annual contract is two hundred and ninety-four thousand. [2:13:37, 2:13:55]: And some change, but it got reduced when the budget was approved from three hundred thousand to two hundred. And that's why we have the shortfall and that's why we're coming before council to ask the increase so that we we have money available to honor the contract. [2:13:55, 2:14:06]: And I and I remember the budget being reduced from the three hundred thousand down to the two hundred thousand. But I would ask staff and our city manager to make it clear to this council [2:14:07, 2:14:10]: That there's gonna be an amendment to the agenda. [2:14:10, 2:14:13]: not amendment to the gender, but there's gonna be a change order. [2:14:14, 2:14:15]: For this contractor [2:14:16, 2:14:23]: to suffice for the other hundred thousand dollars if we make the decision that was made by this council. Because [2:14:24, 2:14:42]: the aesthetics of it out front, the perception is that we're taking half of the budget f for a contractor and adding half of it with a month and a half left, when the citizens don't understand that the whole three hundred thousand dollars wasn't approved for it anyway, that you said, I remember [2:14:42, 2:14:48]: n you need it in order to suffice the contract that was already at hand. I mean, I I get that. [2:14:49, 2:15:07]: But now the source is not budgeted. The source is now coming from savings. So I I just wish you all would just make it clear out front. When does this let us know the decision you're making? We're gonna have to come back later and do this. And it's not on you right now, Mr. Aaron, because you didn't vote for it, this council did. [2:15:07, 2:15:19]: We have to make sure that we're putting the funding in place so that this won't happen because the perception is we're taking money out of savings to suffice a contract that should have been funded fully anyway. [2:15:21, 2:15:22]: Ms. Gantt you had a [2:15:23, 2:15:43]: No, Mayor, I just wanted to make a motion. I I I do now understand I wanted to make a motion to approve this request. Um and I uh uh my apologies. I don't want uh Councilman Blount made a a great point. Our budget previously was for three hundred thousand dollars. We've expected [2:15:43, 2:15:44]: Expanded. [2:15:44, 2:15:45]: Our territory. [2:15:46, 2:15:47]: And so [2:15:47, 2:15:48]: Um you know. [2:15:49, 2:16:09]: We want to make sure that the upkeep of our right-of-ways are definitely one of our priorities, besides our downtowns, our downtown area. Um and having said that, I'm gonna move that we approve um agenda item number thirteen from three two hundred thousand to three hundred thousand. [2:16:09, 2:16:11]: Because that's where it has always been. [2:16:12, 2:16:15]: Okay, Mr. Alzheimer's a second then. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. [2:16:15, 2:16:25]: Thank you, Mayor Ford. Uh Mr. Aaron, thank you for um entertaining my questions earlier uh on this agenda item. [2:16:25, 2:16:35]: And what I need to be really clear on, and the way you explain this and you sort of alluded to it just then, that [2:16:35, 2:16:38]: You had proposed three hundred thousand. [2:16:40, 2:16:55]: It was reduced to 200. So I guess that lead me into a question to the city manager because I think he made the recommendation to to cut that 100,000 from what you had proposed. That's number one. [2:16:55, 2:16:56]: And and [2:16:56, 2:16:57]: Mm. [2:16:57, 2:17:01]: I wanna make sure that and and and what you told me was that [2:17:03, 2:17:04]: The funds [2:17:04, 2:17:13]: was running had had ran out or was running out. But see, my biggest concern is about the scope of work. Now my question is [2:17:14, 2:17:15]: You are not [2:17:15, 2:17:17]: Suggestion [2:17:17, 2:17:19]: Any additional scope of work. [2:17:20, 2:17:22]: You're trying to finish out. [2:17:23, 2:17:28]: the scope of work that was projected when we approved the budget. I is that correct? [2:17:29, 2:17:30]: Yes, sir. [2:17:30, 2:17:43]: So I know w I've heard some comments about add this and add this and add that, but that is not what's happening. You're just asking for the addition of fund to finish out the scope. [2:17:43, 2:17:47]: What was projected the first of the year, i is is that correct? Yes, sir. [2:17:48, 2:18:08]: But in conversation with the city manager for 2024, we did have discussions, so we've uh increased for 2024. We're proposing an increase because we know we uh uh assume responsibility for ninety-one additional miles of roadway and the and the city manager has agreed with that recommendation because there are gonna be some things that come [2:18:08, 2:18:28]: forward in 2024 that we're gonna have to address that the county wasn't addressing, but residents now that they're in the city, they're expecting the city to perform those services. So we recognize that the scope of services is is going to change and we are making recommendations and plans to remedy and address those concerns. [2:18:28, 2:18:36]: But that is for twenty twenty four, but the present item now is right. But since we have two months to go in twenty twenty three. [2:18:37, 2:18:42]: I I want to y be clear is that we're not adding [2:18:42, 2:18:44]: In his scope of work he [2:18:44, 2:18:48]: for twenty twenty three you're just trying to complete [2:18:49, 2:18:51]: The scope of work that was projected. [2:18:52, 2:18:52]: Uh [2:18:53, 2:19:01]: This year for twenty twenty three, is that correct? Yes, sir. And because what I spoke to you about was the [2:19:03, 2:19:08]: was the on North Henry Boulevard, uh, the hill [2:19:09, 2:19:10]: Um [2:19:10, 2:19:21]: And you sort of you know, your answer to that was that you were gonna go back to your staff and we were gonna you were gonna try to see if we could not um [2:19:22, 2:19:42]: Enhance that now. It seems that and I spoke this to you earlier, that it seems that from time to time the heel has been cut, but now, and I don't know if you went by that today or not, but is it I went by that today myself, but it is not being cut. So and you indicated that you were giving. [2:19:41, 2:19:44]: with your staff and and [2:19:45, 2:19:46]: The city [2:19:47, 2:19:50]: or general maintenance would actually [2:19:50, 2:19:52]: Go back and cut that. [2:19:52, 2:20:09]: Yes. Yes, sir. I had a conversation with Mr. Barnes before I came to the meeting and we did address that. We'll go back to the cutting schedule we had that Mr. Knighton had instituted. So we'll cut it back to that frequency. We'll go back to that. In in twenty twenty three. Yes, sir. [2:20:09, 2:20:29]: Okay, because I do understand where we where we need to go in twenty twenty four, but I wanna make sure uh with this agenda item tonight, we're not adding any more scope of work because if we're gonna add then we need to add that as far as the contractors to cut because if if general maintenance can [2:20:29, 2:20:30]: [8431.5, 8444.2]: then we need to add that to the to the contract list to to get it done. But what you're saying is that we're gonna go back. General maintenance is gonna go back and to make sure that it's being cut. [2:20:44, 2:20:53]: Yes, under the under the previous schedule. Like I said, this year we're not adding anything additional. We know in 2024 we will. We're just trying to complete this year. [2:20:54, 2:21:00]: So lastly, uh and and the city manager, I I'd like to really ask how [2:21:01, 2:21:02]: And what was the reasoning? [2:21:03, 2:21:18]: Um, for the cut, I mean, you know, even though you had um requested or asked for the three and it was cut back to two, I I just w what was the logic in that? And I guess only city manager can answer that. [2:21:20, 2:21:31]: I don't know. I don't I don't I you know I mean only again, only the city manager can answer that. Yes sir. This is what we we do. Not not for you, Mr. Aaron. I under I understand your position. [2:21:32, 2:21:33]: Right. Right. [2:21:35, 2:21:46]: Mr. Alfonso, I cut the budget and obviously we came up short on that and that's my fault and I take responsibility. Okay. Thanks. I mean that's I I just wanted to know that's all and that that's that's a great answer. [2:21:46, 2:21:47]: All right. [2:21:47, 2:21:54]: So you done, sir? That's it? Okay. All right. So on that note, the motion is the main segment. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:21:55, 2:21:58]: N announced decision. Thank you very much. All right. [2:22:00, 2:22:20]: Council consideration approved an increase in the annual expenditure amount for sanitation disposal costs from$500,000 to$1 million. Staff requested$700,000 as proposed in the FY 2023 budget, but is reduced to$500,000 in approval for the FY 2023 budget. The increase is needed due to increased disposal costs from adding the annex remote. [2:22:20, 2:22:39]: residents. The funding source uh is from the sanitation fund balance. Mr. Aaron, please. Yes, Mr. Mayor. Uh and Council, we just come before you tonight. We have the money available in the sanitation fund balance to cover the increased expenditures for solid waste disposal as a result of the annexed areas. [2:22:39, 2:22:54]: Mayor. Yes, ma'am. I make a motion that we approve an increase in the annual expenditure amount of sanitation disposal costs from five hundred to one million, and it's coming out of the sanitation fund balance and it's due to the annexation of new. [2:22:54, 2:22:58]: Um to annexation of properties that came in in January. [2:22:58, 2:23:07]: I second it. Mr. Blount, uh second debt, uh all in favor? Okay, go ahead. How much money is in the sanitation fund balance? [2:23:11, 2:23:12]: A bit of boatload. [2:23:17, 2:23:21]: Sanitation fund balance. Oh, sorry. Good evening, Mary Council. [2:23:22, 2:23:23]: Sanitation fund balance. [2:23:24, 2:23:25]: Um [2:23:25, 2:23:44]: One million three hundred twenty seven thousand one hundred and sixty three dollars. So we got one point three million dollars in this account and we're gonna use five hundred thousand dollars of it. So that's still gonna leave us eight hundred thousand dollars in this fund or c somewhere as close to that. That's correct. So we have thank you. [2:23:45, 2:24:05]: All right, if there's no other questions, all in favor of motion, please indicate. It's announced decision. Thank you very much. Thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate it. Announcements of upcoming events and meetings. Uh okay here. Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Levi Meeting Room, October 10th. U Council meeting 6 30, second Thursday of each month, City Hall meeting room. [2:24:05, 2:24:25]: Uh City Hall Levi Meeting Room October 12th. Main Street Advisory Board meeting the second Friday of each month. Welcome center located at 130 MLK Senior Heritage Trail 9 a.m. October 13th. The downtown development authority meeting is third Tuesday of each month. Welcome center 130 Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail. [2:24:24, 2:24:44]: October 17th. The Planning Commission meeting 6:30. City Hall Council Chamber is fourth Thursday of each month, October 26th. City Council Work Session meeting is the last Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Council, October 31st. Starbury Citizens Police Advisory Council meeting first Thursday of each month, 6 p.m. at Stockbury. [2:24:44, 2:25:04]: Bridge Police Community Room 4545 North Henry Boulevard November 2nd. City Council meeting second Monday of each month to 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers November 13th. And Youth Council Advisory Committee meeting 6 30 p.m. second Monday of each month in the Levi Meeting Room. And upcoming initiatives is [2:25:04, 2:25:24]: And events. We have a community town hall Friday, October 13th, ERICO's restaurant, 6 p.m. with Maripotem Barber. We talk about re uh regarding developments in District 4. Join the city of Stockbridge at the annual breast cancer awareness luncheon and fashion show Thursday, which is actually the 12th. [2:25:24, 2:25:30]: October from one A uh skimmy. So no that's eleventh. I'm sorry. Twelfth is from Friday, right? What day is it? [2:25:32, 2:25:39]: Eli yeah, eleven. Levit's and uh no, it's on the twelfth. Thursday's the twelfth. Okay, so October October uh twelfth on Thursday. [2:25:40, 2:26:00]: is the actual uh breast cancer awareness luncheon. Eleven AM to two PM at Merle Manders Conference Center. Registration is required. Contact the events team is seven seven zero three eight nine five nine eight two and I believe it's actually uh maxed out, sold out in this aspect. Um joining city uh Stockbridge for the annual Pretty and Pink Breast Cancer Awareness Love Walk. [2:26:00, 2:26:09]: Saturday, October 14th, uh from uh 10 30 a.m. to one p.m. at Clark Community Park, walking trail. [2:26:09, 2:26:18]: Join Councilman Blount at the Bingo Bash Wednesday, October eighteenth, uh from uh ten A.m. to noon at Merle Manders Conference Center located at one eleven Davis Road. [2:26:20, 2:26:21]: You'll see here. [2:26:24, 2:26:38]: Join Councilman Alexander to the Jodeco Road District 5 community cleanup Saturday, October 21st, 9 a.m. to 11 a.m. meeting location in the Hardy's parking lot, 30 56 Jodeco Road in Madonna, Georgia. [2:26:39, 2:26:59]: Join uh Mayor Ford here for the monthly Meet the Mayor on Monday, October 23rd from ten a.m. to twelve noon. Please contact Rosland Ross to schedule an appointment at 678-833-3348 or email at R. Rawls at City of Stockbridge-GA dot G-O-V. Join Councilwoman Gantt for the annual fall. [2:26:58, 2:27:07]: Festival at Clark Community Park on Saturday, October 25th from 1228. Saturday, okay, Saturday 28th. [2:27:08, 2:27:11]: Saturday, October twenty eighth. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. [2:27:11, 2:27:24]: I just wanna make record that this is the second time in the past two back to back for my events that the either the day is wrong or the date is wrong. [2:27:25, 2:27:26]: Okay. [2:27:26, 2:27:35]: Okay, Saturday t October twenty eighth from twelve noon uh to four p.m. This is a free event with candy, food trucks, games, costume contests, and more. [2:27:35, 2:27:47]: Calling our veterans to join the city of Stockbridge for annual Veterans Day luncheon of February, November tenth from eleven A. M. to one PM at Merle Manders Conference Center, as we honor those who have served and continue to serve this great nation. [2:27:48, 2:28:08]: Join Councilman Thomas for Don't Trash Stockbridge Initiative Centered Around Education, highlighting the causes and effects of littering, illegal dumping. More information to follow on this issue as well. Councilman Thomas is honoring veterans with a continued salute of you all year long. Please send your pictures on veterans and their name, branch, rank, and years of service to our Raw. [2:28:08, 2:28:28]: At the city of Stockbridge-GA dot Gov. Get your tickets for upcoming 2023 Stockbridge concert series by visiting StockbridgeAMP.com or in person at the ticket office located at 4650 North Henry Boulevard Thursday through Saturday, 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. And the October [2:28:27, 2:28:47]: 14th would be our comedy show, which is the first time we've had a comedy show at our amphitheater, D Bridge, and with featuring Monique, nephew Tommy, and Dominique. So I would imagine all the attendees would be crying that night because it'd be such a great time laughing and all these jokes, right? And then October we end our season. [2:28:47, 2:28:57]: October twenty first with Little Chris and Rich the Kid. And that'll be the last concert for the year. Last in this aspect. So we look forward to 2024 coming around the corner several months from now. [2:28:58, 2:29:10]: And my additional comments would be, uh folks, this is a fall season, so flu shots, please take it, be healthy. COVID nineteen booster is out there, the new boosters out there, so please take that. We want you to be well and healthy. [2:29:10, 2:29:25]: And uh want you also to uh I'm pretty sure most of you will do this anyway, uh praise the Braves and p and pull for them as they're in the playoffs right now at Philadelphia and hopefully they'll get through this whole run and become World Series champions for second year in a row. [2:29:25, 2:29:45]: So go braves, right? And matter of fact, make sure you you you root for and and support our hometown hero, Michael Harris II, our center fielder, right? Anyway, so uh let's see here. And we have a council, uh, council uh form tomorrow, candidate council form tomorrow night at Merrill Manos Conference Center, uh Tuesday, October 10th. [2:29:45, 2:30:05]: 7 p.m. So please come out, public event, and listen to the the incumbents and their opponents in reference to what they will plan to do with the city itself. And uh let's see here. And earlier today, well actually earlier today, Ms. Alexander mentioned this that he and I and Mayor Pro Tem attended the uh Grace and Grits with Sheriff Skandard and I was standing panel of education. [2:30:05, 2:30:09]: education of pe people dealing with education, uh public safety and and actually the clergy. [2:30:10, 2:30:30]: and how we can be better and how we need to work together and how we can handle things that are happening in our community at this point. And the highlight to me that day was not only all the uh panelists, but also the fact that Ambassador Andrew Young was present and gave some words of wisdom. 90 years, 91 years young. And so he's definitely a civil rights icon and a senior leader. [2:30:30, 2:30:39]: Okay, on that note, ladies and gentlemen, I um what is my understanding we do not have a executive session. Uh so if that's the case, I need to motion to agend the meeting. [2:30:39, 2:30:41]: Some move. Okay. [2:30:41, 2:30:44]: Ms. Gantt, second that all in fair, please indicate. [2:30:45, 2:30:45]: Okay. [2:30:46, 2:30:54]: Okay, and we have uh three votes to indicate that. Uh four votes, Mr uh I got Mr. Thomas as well. The meeting is now in jerk. God bless you all.

--- title: URA Meeting date: 2023-10-09 source: 2023-10-09_URA_Meeting.wav --- [0:01:14, 0:01:17]: Um [0:01:17, 0:01:25]: That's five oh four. No, sir. We're gonna go. [0:01:28, 0:01:31]: Well you leave the guys. [0:01:39, 0:01:42]: All right, ladies and gentlemen. Council we're gonna start our uh [0:01:43, 0:01:55]: A meeting of the URA, which is uh urban redevelopment uh agency. I have five oh five and this is Monday, October ninth. Meetings in order. And uh please stand for the invocation. [0:01:59, 0:02:19]: Lord, thank you for bringing us together once again to handle the city's business. Allow us to make good logical decisions as we continue to move the city forward. Be us always, Lord, as we continue to reach out and do the right and make the right decisions for our community. Be us always, Lord, once again, and give us the strength and understanding to serve the public honorably. In your name. [0:02:19, 0:02:31]: Amen. Pledge allegiance here. Pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for the stands. One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:02:34, 0:02:35]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:02:37, 0:02:43]: Chair Ford. Present. Vice Chair Thomas. Present. Foreign member Alexander. [0:02:44, 0:02:48]: Board member Barber. Present. Board Member Blount. [0:02:48, 0:02:49]: Okay. [0:02:49, 0:02:50]: Board member Gantt. [0:02:52, 0:02:56]: Let the record show board member Gantt is not in attendance. [0:02:56, 0:03:02]: Chair Ford, you have a call. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:03:02, 0:03:08]: Mr. Mr. Blount, is there a second? I mean yeah, Mr. Blount, is there a second? Uh Mr. Thomas Secondan, all in favor, please indicate. [0:03:09, 0:03:20]: All right, thank you very much, unanimous decision. And uh before you should have the minutes from the uh December twentieth URA uh meeting and I need the uh approval for those particular minutes, please. [0:03:20, 0:03:21]: Mr. Blount? [0:03:22, 0:03:26]: Certainly. Okay. Well I I I got Mr. Thomas here for second that. All favor, please indicate it. [0:03:26, 0:03:40]: All right, thank you very much, Council. I appreciate that. And uh my understanding we got the real estate issues just talked about, but I've been told that executive session is not needed. So I would say the presentation will be by uh s Mr. Gardner, please sir, go ahead and initiate. [0:03:41, 0:04:01]: Uh good night, uh Mr. Chairman, members of the URA uh board. Uh tonight we want you to accept uh three parcels that the city council voted to transfer over to the Urban Redevelopment Authority. And those parcels are 108 First Street, parcel number S 19. [0:04:01, 0:04:04]: Zero two zero two six zero zero zero. [0:04:05, 0:04:06]: Second parcel [0:04:06, 0:04:09]: Is one forty two Wilson Avenue. [0:04:09, 0:04:12]: Posle number S twenty. [0:04:12, 0:04:16]: That's zero five zero zero seven zero zero zero. [0:04:16, 0:04:18]: And the third parcel. [0:04:18, 0:04:20]: is four four [0:04:20, 0:04:23]: Nine eight, North Henry Boulevard. [0:04:23, 0:04:27]: Parcel number S twenty six, zero one, zero one [0:04:28, 0:04:29]: Five zero zero zero. [0:04:30, 0:04:50]: These properties were voted on at the November at the Nov November September twenty-sixth, twenty twenty three meeting to be transferred from the city city to the Urban Redevelopment Agency for Future Development Opportunities, which we will bring before you as they come to our presence. [0:04:50, 0:04:58]: someone has questions for Mr. Gardner, we need a motion to accept this track. So move. Uh go Mr. Alexander, Mr. Blount second that all in favor, please indicate. [0:04:59, 0:05:04]: Fantastic. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. On on that note, then I need a motion to end our meeting. [0:05:05, 0:05:12]: So move. Oh uh uh Mr. Uh Blount? Mayor Potem Barber. All in favor, please indicate. Fantastic. [0:05:14, 0:05:15]: Meetings adjourned. [0:05:16, 0:05:18]: And we'll see that.

--- title: Planning Commission date: 2023-09-28 source: 2023-09-28_Planning_Commission.wav --- [0:02:02, 0:02:08]: I gotta be watching this because it normally shuts off several times and I gotta [0:02:09, 0:02:11]: Go through the steps again to get it going. [0:02:15, 0:02:20]: Oh, design taking notes. [0:03:10, 0:03:22]: Did you put those oh yeah you put the gems right there. This look does this look like fifty people, it might be. More might come. [0:03:23, 0:03:25]: I have that. [0:03:26, 0:03:35]: When I'm trying to get set up citizens of political school, when I'm trying to get the features where it is. [0:03:48, 0:03:49]: Yeah, it's fine. [0:03:50, 0:03:50]: Yeah. [0:03:51, 0:03:55]: Need to be here an hour before the meeting starts. [0:04:01, 0:04:12]: Good evening. Uh the Planning Commission is called to order. Turn your mic on. Good evening. The Planning Commission is called to order. [0:04:18, 0:04:20]: Mr. Thibodeau, would you give us an invocation, please? [0:04:24, 0:04:34]: Let's bow our head. God the Father through Jesus Christ, bless all the people here and grant us the understanding to make the correct decisions for the citizens. [0:04:35, 0:04:43]: and give us the understanding of what we must do towards the citizens of Stockbridge. In Jesus' name, amen. [0:04:43, 0:04:44]: Yeah. [0:04:46, 0:04:48]: Everybody rise and face the flag. [0:04:50, 0:05:03]: I pledge allegiance to the full flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [0:05:12, 0:05:17]: Mr. Logan, would you give us a roll call please? Yes. Uh Abdullah? [0:05:17, 0:05:18]: President. [0:05:18, 0:05:19]: Stanley Dumbest? [0:05:20, 0:05:20]: President. [0:05:21, 0:05:22]: Uh Harold Thibodeau. [0:05:22, 0:05:23]: President. [0:05:24, 0:05:26]: David Planchon. Present. [0:05:27, 0:05:28]: Anthony Mitten. [0:05:30, 0:05:31]: Jaden Williams. Present. [0:05:32, 0:05:34]: Mr. Chairman, you have a quorum. [0:05:34, 0:05:35]: Thank you. [0:05:40, 0:05:44]: I'd ask the uh commission members to read the previous uh [0:05:44, 0:05:46]: Agenda. [0:05:47, 0:05:51]: From I believe it's the twenty fourth, August twenty fourth. [0:05:53, 0:05:57]: Identify any changes, amendments, et cetera contained therein. [0:06:00, 0:06:05]: Mr. Chairman, um you skipped item number five. Did I? [0:06:06, 0:06:10]: I'm sorry, adopt move we I have a motion to adopt the agenda. [0:06:11, 0:06:12]: Today's agenda. [0:06:14, 0:06:15]: Motion to adopt, Mr. Chair. [0:06:16, 0:06:17]: That's second. [0:06:18, 0:06:25]: Be moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed, aye is have it. The motion is carried. [0:06:34, 0:06:42]: What Mr. Logan has requested, one, that all mics are on, and two, that you identify yourself when you make a motion or su or second it. [0:06:43, 0:06:46]: Yeah, Williams motion. Pardon me? [0:06:47, 0:06:49]: I did. Uh Jaden Williams made the motion. [0:06:49, 0:06:51]: Stanley Doom a second. [0:06:59, 0:07:03]: Have um a motion to approve the meeting uh minutes of August twenty fourth. [0:07:07, 0:07:15]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchon. Unless anybody in our audience wishes to have it read, I would like to make a motion we approve it as submitted. [0:07:16, 0:07:25]: May I have a second? Second. Jaden Williams. Then move to second. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed. [0:07:26, 0:07:41]: Before we get started, I'd like to read uh some hearing rules for this evening. Uh first of all, please mute all cell phones and other electronic devices. If anyone wishes to speak tonight on a public hearing item, please fill out a form available on the table. [0:07:41, 0:07:44]: And handed to the city clerk before approaching the podium. [0:07:45, 0:08:05]: After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant or their representative regarding the proposed plan for property, along with any other relevant information. The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor or opposed to the case will have the opportunity. [0:08:05, 0:08:08]: Opportunity to do so, each side would be allotted ten minutes total. [0:08:09, 0:08:12]: Additional time may be extended at the discretion of council. [0:08:13, 0:08:19]: Please keep comments and presentations professional, referring only to the facts that are pertinent in the case. [0:08:19, 0:08:24]: We will not allow comments on personal or or personal attacks toward any individual or group. [0:08:24, 0:08:28]: Please refrain from any applause or comments from the audience during the public hearing. [0:08:28, 0:08:34]: After the presiding officer recognizes speaker, he or she shall direct all comments to the presiding officer. [0:08:34, 0:08:40]: And never to members of the council, staff, or the audience. All comments will be made from the podium. [0:08:40, 0:08:43]: Where you would be required to state your name and address for the record. [0:08:44, 0:08:46]: Please note that these hearings are not a debate. [0:08:47, 0:08:58]: Failure to comply will cause you to be removed from the chamber and the building by law enforcement if you deviate from these proceedings. Other than the applicant, no one may speak more than once. The applicant may be [0:08:58, 0:09:14]: reserve part of his or her speaking time at a refor as a rebuttal, and may speak next and last, and may use the entire ten minutes allowed for the pro side of the application. If questions are raised, the council may ask the applicant to address questions andor comments. [0:09:15, 0:09:17]: Presiding officer will call for a motion. [0:09:17, 0:09:20]: And a second to the motion and have any necessary discussion. [0:09:21, 0:09:26]: If the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for a vote to recommend approval or denial. [0:09:27, 0:09:31]: Additionally, we have a letter here that I'd like to read into the record. [0:09:32, 0:09:40]: It is from a Miss Ann Fields of three twenty-nine Chase, Mary and Wade, McDonald, Georgia, three oh two five three, Eagle Crest, Henry County Unincorporated Plan. [0:09:41, 0:09:43]: She provides a telephone number which I will not read. [0:09:44, 0:09:50]: Good evening. I'm requesting that the Planning Commission deny the request to rezone the high density residential. [0:09:50, 0:09:56]: The existing plan as it is presented has many concerns in addition to what I'd like to [0:09:57, 0:10:01]: verbalized as concerns on the development of that property overall. [0:10:03, 0:10:06]: She goes into specifics, etcetera, but she does not identify. [0:10:07, 0:10:10]: Which zoning application she's referring to? [0:10:10, 0:10:15]: But for the benefit of the public and her, I want to acknowledge that she did tender a letter to the council. [0:10:15, 0:10:16]: Opposing [0:10:17, 0:10:19]: Whatever, I don't I'm not sure. [0:10:20, 0:10:21]: That being said. [0:10:24, 0:10:27]: Final plot approval for town homes, item number seven. [0:10:27, 0:10:31]: at the bridges of Jodico Development, Council District five. [0:10:41, 0:10:42]: Ms. Logan? [0:10:47, 0:10:48]: Item seven. [0:10:52, 0:10:55]: You have to read it, Chairman. You have to read it. [0:10:57, 0:10:59]: Yeah, yeah. What else is that? [0:11:06, 0:11:07]: Pardon me? [0:11:32, 0:11:35]: You see that? I'm not seeing uh [0:11:45, 0:12:02]: Can I clarify the letter? Ma'am, you can't stand up right now. This was You have to you out of order, ma'am. You have to have it. This is what the information is. Okay, ma'am. [0:12:29, 0:12:31]: Item number seven on the agenda is compar uh [0:12:33, 0:12:36]: It says to be presented by the community development staff. [0:12:38, 0:12:42]: It says below but to be presented by the community development staff. [0:12:43, 0:12:44]: Yeah, but not really into the record. [0:12:47, 0:12:53]: All right, final plot approval for town homes at the bridges at Jodico Development, Council District Five. [0:13:06, 0:13:07]: Do you see that? [0:13:08, 0:13:09]: Yes. [0:13:41, 0:13:43]: The staff is gonna have to uh [0:13:48, 0:13:51]: Yeah, yeah, they got a little more than that. [0:13:52, 0:13:53]: Let me talk to her. [0:13:56, 0:13:59]: Mr. Logan, may I speak to you for a minute? May I speak with you? [0:14:16, 0:14:18]: Yeah. [0:14:19, 0:14:19]: It's all [0:14:20, 0:14:26]: We don't have a presentation. This is just for your for your information. This is for you to come. [0:14:26, 0:14:30]: Chairman Abula, just move to the next item please, and we'll come back to th that one next. [0:14:32, 0:14:33]: Okay. [0:14:39, 0:14:40]: I don't mean [0:14:40, 0:15:00]: Zoning modification case number ZM two oh two three-one. Council District 5 considered a request for a change in zoning for a modification to amend Bridget of Jodico conceptual plan to allow multifamily residential development in part A and to allow senior family residential in part B identified by parcel number 055. [0:15:00, 0:15:20]: The property had 14.63 plus or minus acres and is accessed via 10 Parkway and Guento Drive and landlots 7778 and 83 of District 6. Applicant by Michelle Y. Sadi. [0:15:20, 0:15:24]: Member Applicant of Southern Consulting Services Inc., owner. [0:15:33, 0:15:45]: Thank you, uh Chair Chairman Abdullah. Um my name is Gordon Linton, Planner One for the City of Stockbridge, and I'm here to to present the case for ZM twenty twenty-three-zero one. [0:15:51, 0:16:11]: The case facts the applicant is Michelle Y Sali of Southern Consultant Services Inc. The owner is uh Jodico one five eight LLC and is the request a change in the zoning modification to amend the bridges of Jodico conceptual plan to allow senior family residential in POD B and to allow [0:16:11, 0:16:21]: Multifamily residential development in Pod A. Please note that this is not a rezona case, but rather a change to the uh Bridges of Judico concept plan. [0:16:22, 0:16:42]: The address of the property is twenty-two forty-five Jodeco Road. The number of acres is fourteen point six three zero acres. And the city land use designation is PTD, Plant Town Development District, and it is governed by the design guidelines of the Jodeco Concept, South Concept Plan. [0:16:46, 0:16:52]: This is the aerial photo of the property and highlighted by the star that's where the that's where it's gonna be. [0:16:58, 0:17:02]: That is the zoning map of the area, which is zone PUD. [0:17:04, 0:17:05]: And that's location. [0:17:10, 0:17:14]: That's the Parkway mixes overlay district map as well. [0:17:21, 0:17:41]: The bridges of Jolico Side Plan. The bridges the bridges of Jolico Side Plan consisted of approximately 724,000 square feet of commercial space, which included the following three retail superstores, specialty retail, restaurants, gas stations, a bank, grocery store, and a daycare facility. [0:17:41, 0:18:00]: The original site plan of the mixed-use development included two hotel rooms, which 110 rooms and 120 rooms, 615 multifamily residential units, 300 standalone structures and 300 above commercial, and 14.5 acres of open space. [0:18:03, 0:18:10]: That's the another side plan up the uh bridges of Jolico again. And that's where the location was. [0:18:16, 0:18:20]: The new conceptual side plan of Bridges of Jellico, the revised [0:18:21, 0:18:41]: The revised site plan the applicant has provided shows the 12-story hotel and the out parcels, which are approximately 125,000 square feet. The out parcels included a 35,000 square foot office space and other recreational uses. The site plan shows the approved 306 multifamily units and the approved 130,000. [0:18:41, 0:19:01]: 35 townhomes. The applicant proposes to build a multifamily residential development with 219 multifamily units. The addition of the proposed 219 multifamily units will bring the total to 660 units. The proposed changes to the bridges of Jolico are still below the approved DRI for both. [0:19:01, 0:19:02]: Both the total square footage. [0:19:03, 0:19:10]: and number of units for the development. Thus the proposed zoning modification will not have a negative impact. [0:19:18, 0:19:32]: The project information, the applicant proposes to build an apartment with two hundred and nineteen units. In addition, the side plan shows the development will include forty parking garages, amenity area, a clubhouse, and a dog park. [0:19:34, 0:19:35]: And that's the side plan right there. [0:19:40, 0:20:00]: Staff analysis. The reasonable of the applicant's requests. The applicant's request to amend the Bridges of Jodico's conceptual plan is reasonable and practical. The original site plan included approximately 724,000 square feet of commercial space, which included the following: three retail superstores, specially retailed. [0:20:00, 0:20:20]: Retail, restaurants, gas station, a bank, grocery store, and a daycare facility. The original site plan of the mixed-use development included two hotel rooms, 110 rooms and 120 rooms, 615 multifamily residential units, 300 standard structures, and 300 above commercial, and 145 [0:20:20, 0:20:40]: Acres of open space. However, the updated site plan the applicant provided shows the approved 12-story hotel and the eye parcels, which are approximately 125,000 square feet. The odd parcels include a 35,000 square foot office space and other recreational use. The site plan shows the approved 360, [0:20:40, 0:20:53]: multifamily unit and the approved 135 townhomes. The proposed changes will not affect the overall square footage and number of units for the development. Therefore, it is reasonable to grant the request. [0:20:59, 0:21:19]: Suitability for the proposed development. The granting of the applicant's request to change the location of the multifamily residential unit in Part A and to allow senior family residential Part B to, as is shown by the submitted conceptual plan, is suitable and feasible. It is better to have an increase in density to support the overall project. [0:21:19, 0:21:21]: and enhanced economic development activities. [0:21:23, 0:21:43]: Number three, if facts on the surrounding properties and infrastructure. The granting of the applicant's request to change the location of the multifamily residential in POP A and to allow senior family residential in pod B will not have a negative impact on the community. The project is compatible with the overall community and surrounded areas. [0:21:43, 0:21:50]: Proposed changes will serve as a catalyst to attract additional high end retail and commercial establishments to the area. [0:21:52, 0:22:02]: Staff recommendation. This staff report has demonstrated that the applicant's proposed location will be acceptable. The staff recommends approval of the zoning modification request. [0:22:06, 0:22:07]: That's the end of the presentation. [0:22:25, 0:22:28]: Any questions by uh planning commission members? [0:22:33, 0:22:36]: Guess the question I would have, does this require a public hearing? [0:22:38, 0:22:41]: Uh, I don't think so. It's just an amendment. [0:22:41, 0:22:43]: Public comments. [0:22:59, 0:23:02]: This is just an amendment uh moving some [0:23:03, 0:23:05]: Trump is around. Yes. From A to B. Yeah. [0:23:13, 0:23:14]: Any questions? [0:23:19, 0:23:20]: Pardon me? [0:23:31, 0:23:32]: Oh no problem. [0:23:40, 0:23:55]: I was directing the the question to Mr. Linton and basically this is a movement, a reconfiguration of the property. So it's not that we're changing the zoning or increasing the density. We're just simply reconfiguring the project. Yes, sir. [0:24:02, 0:24:04]: Any questions? May I have a motion? [0:24:05, 0:24:06]: Public comments. [0:24:08, 0:24:10]: While the staff is drawn, do you [0:24:11, 0:24:12]: Open for public comment. [0:24:14, 0:24:17]: All those and anyone here who supports the project. [0:24:20, 0:24:22]: Anyone here who opposes the project? [0:24:24, 0:24:30]: Have you filled out a seat? If you fill out a seat you could you may approach the podium, tender it to the clerk. [0:24:30, 0:24:30]: Mm-hmm. [0:24:32, 0:24:33]: Sony modification. [0:24:35, 0:24:40]: What issue are we talking about again? Again it's been very hard to hear. [0:24:47, 0:24:49]: Well that you can't hear? [0:24:50, 0:24:51]: You can't hear? [0:24:54, 0:24:54]: Okay. [0:24:56, 0:25:10]: I asked Mr. Linton, the project, the the the proposed amendment here is simply a reconfiguration of the project. It's not requiring the zoning amendment. Councilman Abdul excuse excuse me. Sure. The applicant has to come up and speak first. Okay. [0:25:11, 0:25:21]: Um simply asking uh to for clarification for Mr. Linton that this is really a reconfiguration of the project and not a change, a significant change of anything. [0:25:23, 0:25:26]: We have the applicant present. Yes, sir. [0:25:33, 0:25:53]: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm Jeff Grant. We actually own the property there at Jodico 158. And you are correct. This is not here for a rezoning modification of any type. All we have done when this was was originally approved with the DRI and with Goethe and with the uh city council. Um there was a site plan that was generated. [0:25:53, 0:26:13]: And that things have changed somewhat, but we have not exceeded um any of those errors that were originally approved. It is just basically what we're redoing is reconfiguring where we're placing the residential uh as opposed to the original site plan. It's changed somewhat. And it's it's something that we thought uh [0:26:13, 0:26:30]: Um it probably wasn't necessary, but we would like to go ahead and bring it forward to the council. Um I I don't think it makes um I I think it makes better sense the way we're reconfiguring this thing. I think it flows better. And um and that's really the reason we asked for that modification. [0:26:31, 0:26:32]: Okay. [0:26:33, 0:26:36]: Any questions from the Planning Commission? [0:26:37, 0:26:41]: You know, we'll open it to um public comment. Yes, sir. [0:26:45, 0:26:52]: Anyone who opposes the project, if you filled out a sheet and tendered it to the clerk, kindly approach the podium. [0:26:54, 0:26:56]: Provide us with your name and address. [0:26:56, 0:27:01]: My name is Ann Fields and the clerk has my paper already. Okay. [0:27:01, 0:27:08]: I'm actually here to speak on a different matter. So my only concern with this change would be that we've been promised [0:27:10, 0:27:14]: Exponentially, verbally, and in writing for a long time. [0:27:15, 0:27:28]: Um certain businesses I don't think any of us would be opposed to an yet another hotel not showing up, but the businesses that are committed, obviously Costco's not coming out of this mess because they've already started construction. [0:27:29, 0:27:31]: But Sprouts was committed to come and [0:27:31, 0:27:46]: You know, we were kind of interested in a sprouts something for this community as a whole, we would like to have better amenities in the in the stores where we would make our purchases. We already have Kroger's and Publix and Walmart. [0:27:46, 0:27:51]: But the Trader Joe's or the Sprouts variety of things, um, whole foods type of situation. [0:27:52, 0:28:06]: Many, many residents are asking for those types of products in in our it's so that we can make our purchases from those companies. So if this plan is changing the commitment of any of those vendors. [0:28:07, 0:28:08]: I think it [0:28:09, 0:28:11]: should be further discussed. [0:28:12, 0:28:13]: Sprouts is coming. [0:28:13, 0:28:20]: If if I may, and I I I I probably didn't do as good a job as I should have. [0:28:20, 0:28:32]: But no, uh to let everybody know, Sprouts is coming. Uh Sprouts uh as a matter of fact, I can give you a rundown right now th of what we expect uh to have out there right now. At present Sprouts is coming. We've got the [0:28:33, 0:28:45]: You've probably read about the new Chick-fil-A model that's coming in. That'll be the first one in the country. It's gonna be there. And you've got Starbucks, you got Chipotle. Uh you've got Whataburger, which would be the first one here on the south side. [0:28:45, 0:28:49]: Uh we got simple salad, uh we've got a bank coming in. [0:28:50, 0:28:53]: Uh Bahama Breeze is coming in. Um [0:28:53, 0:29:13]: We've got two other restaurants that we're talking to that we we feel like is going to be coming in also. So um I and I and I apologize, I probably should have been a little bit clearer to everybody, but Sprouts is definitely coming in. They've we've already committed and we'll actually start construction on Sprouts probably this in the next two two to three weeks. Um and so [0:29:13, 0:29:19]: Yeah, nothing has changed from what we have said. All we have done in this whole modification is actually just [0:29:19, 0:29:34]: taking the residential and shifting from one area to another to to actually make better sense where it flows better for the commercial development. As far as the hotel, there will be instead of having two hotels, you're gonna have the first twelve story hotel in this county. [0:29:35, 0:29:55]: Um it will be the you'll have the um it's more of a condo hotel. You'll have the bottom four floors will be your hotel, the fifth through tenth floor will actually be condos and the eleventh and twelfth floor is office space, so there will be a rooftop bar with a rooftop restaurant. And we expect to brand that with a [0:29:54, 0:30:14]: a very brand name steakhouse and a name that everybody will recognize. So um we are dedicated a and l and just for the record, I I I need to tell everybody this. I've been here, I've lived in this county all my life. I've lived matter of fact right here with City Hall sitting, is where I was raised and born at. And we sold three of our property to the city [0:30:14, 0:30:25]: To build City Hall. So my family's been here since the government gave land grants. I've got the original land grant that he's signed by John Quincy Adams, and my family was given the property here in Henry County. [0:30:26, 0:30:36]: We're one of the largest landowners in Henry County and I I'm proud to say that I'm from this county and I and quite frankly I want this to be a nice development. And so I hope my neighbors realize [0:30:36, 0:30:43]: the efforts and time we've put into this has not been easy. And we're going through COVID and with the changes we've had to go through. [0:30:44, 0:31:02]: Um it's been exceptionally hard, but I can assure'em this much that when we get through it, it's gonna be a nice development. It's not gonna be what you typically see in Henry County. So there's gonna be some different stores you've seen and different restaurants that we don't have here on the South Side. And we're we're making an effort. We could have already sold this out [0:31:02, 0:31:20]: um to the standard stuff you do see and we're turning out a lot of vendors because we want something to be a little different here. And so I hope when we get through I can stand back up here before you and I'll tell you that the sprouts that everybody's want we want the same thing. I that's something I totally agree with her. And so um [0:31:21, 0:31:30]: I I think what I want everybody to understand is we're we're not here for a rezoning and the promises we made they're still in place. They're not gonna change. All we're simply asking for is [0:31:31, 0:31:34]: The senior housing and the way this thing was rigid designed [0:31:35, 0:31:37]: Would have been in a different area. [0:31:37, 0:31:46]: The senior housing developer that we've met with has asked that look, they would rather the seniors would rather be across the creek where it's not as busy and you've got that wooded buffer between'em. [0:31:47, 0:31:56]: And you know, a and it made sense to us. You know, I I think that perfectly makes sense. Whereas your your your parlor's and your townhouses and your villas back behind it here [0:31:57, 0:32:05]: There's it's a different type group. And so all we're asking to do is just shift things around a little bit. We're not asking for any more than what we've already been approved for. [0:32:06, 0:32:26]: So let me suggest something to you. Uh people seem seem to be concerned about who's coming in and what uh uh businesses are going to reside there. Um if you get an opportunity, what I would do is I would post the businesses tentatively coming so there'd be no question about who's there. And so you [0:32:25, 0:32:36]: you wouldn't have this conflict about whether or not Sprouts or any other entity is coming in because it'll be posted, Hey, we've got this is a done deal, they're coming. It's a matter of construction. [0:32:37, 0:32:57]: It it is and and and and Mr. Chairman, you're absolutely correct. When we're when when we are actually allowed to do so, I promise you we'll be it will be posted like a a crow sitting on this on a on the set to crow his morning uh call. Uh a lot of these when they come in when you when you first strike deals with them, we're under an NDA where a lot of times we can't. [0:32:57, 0:33:04]: Can't talk about what's coming in. And and it's unfortunate, but in this co in the corporate world, the way it is and way it's structured. [0:33:04, 0:33:08]: Um we we're not allowed at times to talk about to a certain point. [0:33:09, 0:33:20]: And so but now once that happens and I can tell you that uh with Sprouts, I'm I'm able to tell you tonight that Sprouts is coming in because I we finally got everything inked done and and it's uh um [0:33:21, 0:33:28]: that's a certain deal that that will be coming. So I can talk about that tonight. Okay. So uh no sir, but I but I can assure you [0:33:28, 0:33:29]: Um [0:33:29, 0:33:43]: When we find there there's some details coming that I'm excited about and I promise you i um I think uh um it will be well known uh when these happen and I and I certainly appreciate your time. Okay, thank you. Yes, sir, thank you. [0:33:47, 0:33:56]: Is there anyone present who opposes I mean who supports the project? We've heard from the po pipa uh in opposition. Is anyone here who supports the project? [0:33:59, 0:34:01]: Any comments from the sir? [0:34:05, 0:34:07]: Have you fill out a uh a form? [0:34:10, 0:34:12]: Approach the uh podium. [0:34:22, 0:34:31]: Please provide us with your name and address, please. Sure. My name is Robin. Would you speak so we c so we can hear you? Sorry. Step closer to the mic to your to your left. To your left is a mic. [0:34:31, 0:34:51]: Thank you. Much better. Um, my first name is Robert. My last name is Lopez. Uh I reside at eight five one Chase Trail, McDonald, Georgia, three oh two five three. I believe me in Stockbridge for about twenty eight years. Pull the mic closer to your mouth, please. Yeah. I've been residing at um Stockbridge for about twenty twenty-eight years. [0:34:51, 0:35:11]: And I'm glad to say I'm also a senior now as well. And I welcome the project as presented today. And I'm so happy to see the new source coming into the area. So I don't have to travel elsewhere. So I appreciate that very much. Um there's other things I want to talk about, but not specifically on this particular traffic, so I can [0:35:11, 0:35:14]: I would like to come back and talk about the as well. [0:35:15, 0:35:17]: All right, thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. [0:35:21, 0:35:23]: Any comments from the uh commissions? [0:35:25, 0:35:26]: Commission comments. [0:35:28, 0:35:32]: Mr. Lopez, did you fill out a sheet? We don't seem to have it here. [0:36:07, 0:36:10]: Anyone else? Yes, ma'am. [0:36:20, 0:36:40]: Good evening. My name is Kaisha Holmes and I reside at 124 Eagles Crest Lane in McDonough, Henry County. I've lived there for 17 and a half years. Um, retired from the military and plan to finish paying for my home and stay in Henry County. [0:36:39, 0:36:43]: County. But so my concern, I don't think that um [0:36:44, 0:36:59]: A lot of people here are concerned with the vendors necessarily that are coming as long as like sprouts in them are coming. Um for me it's about the traffic that it's gonna bring. We only have one way traffic. [0:36:59, 0:37:05]: Um, on Jodico Road. Are they planning to do anything with the roads to make that better? [0:37:08, 0:37:11]: The applicant will approach the podium, please. [0:37:14, 0:37:15]: That's actually a great question. [0:37:15, 0:37:35]: Uh y yes, as far as the roads, there there'll be a four-lane that if you'll notice there's gonna be the what's called the West Parallel Connector. It will connect all the way from Jonesboro Road all the way up to Eagles Landing Parkway. It's a four-lane that's gonna be going through. It's a state project. Now we've put our portion of it in already, and it will tie in and come back out on the [0:37:35, 0:37:55]: Jonesboro Road all the way through to Eagles Landing Parkway. And if you'll notice the way ours is designed, ours is is really designed for traffic flow. And we've got uh probably another right-in, right out we're gonna have, or right out we're gonna have. But uh, but that is that you'll see there is a four-lane that's gonna go all the way from Jonesboro Road to [0:37:55, 0:37:59]: Eagles Landing Parkway on the west side. Thank you. [0:37:59, 0:38:19]: So um when is the road work supposed to get started? Yeah. Well our our portion from uh from from our property from uh on Jodico all the way up me from the south end of our property, which is um I guess right there at the church, up to Jodico, we just finished paving the last section of [0:38:19, 0:38:22]: that uh day before yesterday. [0:38:22, 0:38:38]: So our portion is gonna be ready. You know, we we we've got a red light going in there at Jodico, we got a red light going in intern internally on our property as well. And then you've got the wet go road what we call uh Argento Drive that goes east and west through the property that that actually also um [0:38:39, 0:38:42]: connects over to um Chambers Road. [0:38:42, 0:39:02]: as well. So we've we've made this where it's gonna help eliminate a lot of that traffic in these congested areas. Um and I I think if you see the road plan, road design, uh we were commended by Goethe uh for the road design work we had done on this thing. And it was we spent a lot of money on the traffic studies as well. Now the four lane going north [0:39:02, 0:39:22]: of from our from Jodeco to Eagles Land and Parkway, that's being the acquisitions of that are being acquired as we speak. And I think they're they're planning on starting construction on that next spring. And so and then from our south of our property to Jonesboro, there's already a two-lane road there. And that will be widened to a four-lane as well. [0:39:22, 0:39:27]: I think it also starts at about the same time frame next next year. Okay. Thank you. [0:39:29, 0:39:29]: Sorry. [0:39:30, 0:39:50]: One more question. Um, so I understand the roadway stuff, but um what about the fact that we already have like two new um townhome complexes, if you will, at each end of Jodico right now, and they're proposing to put [0:39:50, 0:39:51]: Yeah. [0:39:51, 0:40:11]: Is that right? They're putting up more townhomes, um, multifamily homes. Which is gonna bring more people, which nobody's moved into those new town homes at each end of Johtocote so far that I'm aware of, which is already gonna be added traffic plus [0:40:11, 0:40:21]: than the ones that you guys are building, that's even more traffic. Even with the new road work, it's still gonna be excuse my French. [0:40:21, 0:40:29]: Oh, I'm sorry. It's still gonna be crazy in our our neighborhoods and I for one won't be able to get to work. [0:40:30, 0:40:38]: Thing is, I think he he's pointed out that there will be traffic regulations there. And so I'm sure the traffic study has taken that in consideration. [0:40:40, 0:40:42]: Okay. [0:40:43, 0:40:43]: Right. [0:40:48, 0:40:49]: Anyone else? [0:40:50, 0:40:51]: Time has expired. [0:40:58, 0:41:00]: Commission members, any questions? [0:41:02, 0:41:04]: Any questions? May I have a motion. [0:41:05, 0:41:10]: Mr. Chairman Dave Planchon, I'd like to make a motion we accept this project as submitted. [0:41:11, 0:41:12]: Yeah, a second. [0:41:12, 0:41:14]: Harold of second. [0:41:15, 0:41:22]: It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed, ayes have it. The motion is carried. [0:41:23, 0:41:34]: Mr. Chairman, can you please go back to item number seven, please? Sure. And uh Mr. Chairman, before we move forward, I do have one request. Is it possible for us to get a copy of that traffic study? [0:41:40, 0:41:41]: Thank you so much. [0:41:44, 0:41:46]: Yes, we are, ma'am. Ma'am, you have you out of order? [0:41:51, 0:41:59]: Final plot approval for town houses at the Bridge of Jodico Development Council District Five to presented by community development staff. [0:42:02, 0:42:03]: So this is the [0:42:06, 0:42:10]: Um this is the copy of the plat. [0:42:15, 0:42:16]: Yeah. [0:42:26, 0:42:28]: That's the uh copy of the uh townhomes. [0:42:35, 0:42:40]: Ma'am, you have it or you can't you have to decide. [0:42:41, 0:42:45]: That's the town. These are the uh towns that are featured in the plat. [0:42:50, 0:42:52]: This is our in an approved project. Um [0:42:54, 0:43:02]: This is our in an approved project, Chairman Abdullah. Uh it's just bringing this before the uh Planning Commission to get the Planning Commission's recommendation. [0:43:04, 0:43:06]: Plat for the the townhomes of Johtoco. [0:43:12, 0:43:21]: It's part of the original plan that you just approved. So they we didn't have any text when I first called it out. Go ahead. We we went again. All right, go ahead. [0:43:24, 0:43:26]: Pull it. [0:43:26, 0:43:27]: Uh [0:43:29, 0:43:30]: Just [0:43:31, 0:43:35]: Is the applicant here when you're talking about the easier art we don't come up and talk? [0:43:38, 0:43:45]: for clarification for the for the uh audience, this is part of item eight really. [0:43:46, 0:44:06]: It it is. It is, Mr. Chairman. This is just the the the this has already actually been developed, the roads and all are in. This is actually just for the plat approval uh from the board that we have the process we have to go through. We're not asking for any more. That's uh this is already built. I mean, as far as the infrastructure, excuse me. The roads and infrastructure are already in. [0:44:08, 0:44:14]: So this is here just for approval. Yes, sir. Just for plan approval sorry, plan approval. [0:44:20, 0:44:26]: This is um part of eight that we've discussed already. [0:44:27, 0:44:27]: Yeah. [0:44:31, 0:44:47]: It's in council district five. Uh we've discussed the modification, the changes in the configuration of uh the plot. And this is simply an aspect of it. And so I'd ask for a motion from council members. [0:44:48, 0:44:49]: Mr. Chair. [0:44:49, 0:44:54]: I'll make a motion that we accept the final plat approval for the townhomes at Bridges at Jotaco. [0:44:56, 0:44:59]: You provide Miss Logan with your name? I don't know. [0:44:59, 0:45:00]: Uh Jaden Williams motion. [0:45:01, 0:45:06]: Okay. Second. And I'm Harold, I'll second it. Did you get that, Miss Logan? [0:45:08, 0:45:17]: All right, it's been moved and second. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Ayes have it. Motion is approved. [0:45:20, 0:45:27]: Uh next item on the agenda is item nine, rezoning case number RZ two oh two three-two council district four. [0:45:28, 0:45:44]: Consideration of a request to request for rezoning to rezone three parcels on the north side of Valley Hill Road from Railroad or Rural Residential to C one Neighborhood Commercial to allow for the development of a single family detached residential subdivision. [0:45:44, 0:46:04]: The applicant agent is Yvette Morrison, representing a developer builder. The property contains three parcels on Valley Hill Road, as are listed below in lots ninety-two of District twelve with seventeen point zero six plus or minor ac minus acres and within the stock bridge city limits. [0:46:04, 0:46:23]: Valley Hill Road parcel number S090601000 contains 2.2492 plus or minus inches. I mean pfft acres. Zone rural residential. 264 Valley Hill Road parcel. [0:46:24, 0:46:44]: SO eight dash zero one zero ten thousand contains six point five two five four plus or minus acres zone rural residential and parcel SO eight zero one zero two thousand twenty thousand contains eight. [0:46:44, 0:46:53]: Plus or minus zone C1 Neighborhood Commercial, presented by the community development staff. [0:46:53, 0:47:01]: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As he mentioned earlier, uh we are pr this is the presentation for RZ twenty twenty three dash zero two. [0:47:10, 0:47:27]: The case facts the applicant is Yvette Morrison. The owner is Claudia Perez Granados, uh two hundred and fifty eight Valley Hill Road, Alejandro Granados Ansales and Diana Pvis uh PV Torres, two hundred sixty four Valley Hill Road. [0:47:30, 0:47:40]: and the par and the large parcel which is S zero eight zero one zero two thousand. The applicant's request is to rezone three parcels from [0:47:41, 0:48:01]: RR Rural Residential and C One Neighborhood Commercial to SR Suburban Residential to allow for the development of the subdivision with sixteen single family detached lots. The address of the property is two fifty-eight Valley Hill Road, two hundred sixty-four Valley Hill Road, and the larger parcel, which is S08-0. [0:48:01, 0:48:21]: The number of acres is 17.06. The project characteristics, two single-family residences and mostly wooded, and the city land use volume zoning for 258 Valley Hill Road and S parcel number S08-0102000. [0:48:22, 0:48:32]: is R R and two sixty four Valley Hill Road, which is C one neighborhood commercial. And the sign was posted on September sixth, twenty twenty three. [0:48:36, 0:48:44]: This is the area of photo of the property. This is 258 Valley Hill Road. And this is 264 Valley Hill Road. And that is the larger parcel. [0:48:51, 0:48:54]: This is the house that's located on two fifty eight Ballet Hill Road. [0:49:00, 0:49:04]: And this is the house that's located on two sixty four Valley Hill Road. [0:49:09, 0:49:14]: This is the survey that was prepared on November fourteenth, twenty twenty two. [0:49:21, 0:49:32]: This is the concept plat of the two hundred fifty eight Valley Hill Road and the two hundred sixty four Valley Hill Road and the parcel number S zero H dash zero one zero two thousand when they're going to be combined. [0:49:40, 0:49:57]: This is a zoning map of two hundred and fifty eight Valley Hill Road and two hundred sixty four Valley Hill Road. As you can see, two sixty four Valley Hill Road is zoned as C one, two hundred fifty eight Valley Hill Road is zoned as R R Rural Residential, and the larger parcel is zoned R R Rural Residential. [0:50:02, 0:50:13]: This is the future land m land use map of two fifty eight Valley Hill Road and two sixty four Valley Hill Road and the other parcel. Um they are low density residential, which is consistent with the comprehensive plan. [0:50:19, 0:50:39]: Project information. The applicant proposes to develop a subdivision with sixteen single family detached lots with amenities on the properties located at two hundred and fifty eight and two hundred and sixty four Valley Hill Road. The subject property contains about seventeen point zero six acres of land and is comprised of three parcels. [0:50:39, 0:50:59]: 258 and 264 Valley Hill Road has single-family residential homes, while the larger parcel is mostly wooded. Although the RR zoning district for 258 Valley Hill Road and a larger parcel larger parcel does allow two single-family detached lots, the applicant will not be able to build a number of lots. [0:50:59, 0:51:04]: lots under subject property due to the requirement of the lot air which is one to three acres. [0:51:05, 0:51:25]: The current zoning of C1 neighborhood commercial on 264 Valley Hill Road does not allow residential uses. Therefore, the applicant is requested to rezoning up the three parcels from RR Rural Residential and C1 Neighborhood Commercial to SR suburban residential. To allow for the subdivision to be built, the existing [0:51:25, 0:51:32]: Process will need to be combined. Thus, the applicant has requested the recombination plat of RC 2023-01. [0:51:35, 0:51:45]: And right before you, these are the amenities. That's the detention pond. That is the common area. And the two pick a ball course and they also have a walking trail as well. [0:51:52, 0:51:56]: Uh these are the renderings that the applicant has provided of the different houses. [0:52:06, 0:52:09]: This is another rendering of that the applicant has provided. [0:52:15, 0:52:20]: And this another rendering of the that the applicant has provided as well, of the housing. [0:52:26, 0:52:46]: Staff analysis consistency with the comprehensive plan. The Stockbridge Future Land Use Map of the City's Adopted Comprehensive Plan twenty nineteen twenty thirty eight shows that the subject property's future land use designation is low density residential, which allows a density of one point two five to two units per acre. The density of [0:52:46, 0:53:06]: Of the proposed subdivisions is one unit per acre, which is consistent with the required density. Page 44 of the Stockbridge Comprehensive Plan states that the intent of the low density residential future land use destination is intended for typical large lot residential subdivision developments. In addition, the low density residential future [0:53:06, 0:53:26]: Land use designation provides a list of permitted zoning districts that are allowed, which includes the SR zoning district. The proposed subdivision is consistent with the policy goals of the current City of Stockbridge Comprehensive Plan 2018-2038 that are listed as follows on page 35 and 39, which is in this table. [0:53:27, 0:53:37]: Provide a mixture of housing options to attract young professional singles and small families and maintaining a family friendly environment focused on attracting and retaining young adults. [0:53:41, 0:54:01]: Staff analysis the relation that the proposed rezoning amendment bears to the purpose of the overall zoning scheme with due consideration given to whether or not the proposed change will help carry out the purposes of the City of Stockbridge zoning code. The proposed amendment rezoning to rezone the property from R R Route Residential [0:54:01, 0:54:15]: NC1 neighborhood commercial to SR suburban residential is acceptable since the intent of the SR is to provide for single family dwellings of a low to moderate density character on individual lots. [0:54:18, 0:54:38]: The potential positive effects of the rezoning amendment on the character of the proposed zoning district, a particular piece of property, neighborhood, a particular area or community. The proposed rezoning will allow the property to develop in a type of use that is more compatible than the other type of permitted uses that are allowed under the subject property C1. [0:54:38, 0:54:58]: And RR zoning classification due to the presence of other subdivisions that are located within the vicinity of the property, which are Springwood Valley, which is zone SR commercial, and Kinsey Crossing, which is zone SR suburban residential. In addition, there are other single-family residences that are zoned SR. [0:54:58, 0:54:59]: Suburma residential. [0:55:02, 0:55:22]: The physical conditions of the site relative to the capability to develop as requested include the topography, drainage, access, and the size and shape of the property. The revised plat the applicant provided shows that the proposed subdivision will be compatible with the physical features of the subject property. The revised plat shows that the attention pile will be located northwest. [0:55:22, 0:55:26]: of the subdivision. The proposed subdivision would include a pool, [0:55:27, 0:55:38]: Club house two pickleball courts with ten pocket spaces, a common area three point si three point nine six acres, a walking trail and a dock park as shown. [0:55:39, 0:55:50]: The impact upon the adjacent property owners should the request be granted. The proposed subdivision will be qu will be compatible with the other subdivisions that are in the vicinity of the subject property. [0:55:55, 0:56:06]: The potential impact of the resonance on the city infrastructure, including water and sewage system. The proposed subdivision will be serviced by water and sewer provided by the Henry County Water and Sewage Authority. [0:56:09, 0:56:23]: the impact of the proposed amendment on adjacent thoroughfares and pedestrian and vehicle circulation and traffic volumes. The applicant did not submit a traffic study and as a result, Stam is unable to comment on the overall impact the proposed subdivision will have on the assistant role. [0:56:24, 0:56:35]: Valley Hill Road. In order to prevent traffic backup on Valley Hill Road and to facilitate turning movement, the developer has propo prof has provided turning lanes as shown that proposed at, which is shown right here. [0:56:40, 0:57:00]: The merits of the requested change in zoning relative to any other guidelines or policy for the development which the Planning Commission and City Council may use in furthering the objective of the comprehensive plan. The approval of the requested rezoning will allow the subject property to develop similar to the subdivisions that are located in the vicinity of the air area. [0:56:59, 0:57:08]: An application for the land experiment permit, application for the pro subdivision, as well as building permit applications are required by the city. [0:57:09, 0:57:29]: The ability of the subject land to be developed as is presently zoned. The applicant has requested that 264 Valley Hill Road be rezoned. Although the parcel is currently zone C1 neighborhood commercial, it is less likely that it will be developed for commercial uses due to the location of the parcel in a residential area. The applicant has requested that other parcels. [0:57:29, 0:57:41]: parcels be rezoned to SR suburban residential. Since there are other surrounded SR zoning districts in the vicinity of the area, the most appropriate use for the subject property is single family residential. [0:57:45, 0:58:05]: Staff recommendation. Staff recommends approval with conditions for the proposed rezoning from RR Rural Residential and C1 neighborhood commercial to SR suburban residential. The recommended zoning conditions are listed below. The subdivision will be developed in accordance with the City of Stockbridge Development Code and the site development standards and requirements. [0:58:05, 0:58:25]: Requirements in the SR Zoning District. All homes shall be developed in accordance with Section 4.2 of the Stoppers Unified Development Code. No land disturbance or building permit shall be issued for the subject property until the applicant has had the new recombination plat officially recorded and has submitted a copy of the [0:58:25, 0:58:27]: of the recorded plots of the community development department. [0:58:47, 0:58:53]: And this is the zoning district requirements for the SR for the SR suburban residential. [0:58:56, 0:58:59]: And this is section four point four two of the Unified Development Code. [0:59:02, 0:59:03]: And that's the presentation. [0:59:05, 0:59:08]: We have an applicant present. Yes. [0:59:27, 0:59:40]: Thank you for this time. My name is Julian Selby. Uh close to the mics and restored Vision Construction Group. Uh like to thank the chairman and officers and board for allowing us to have this time to present this application for rezoning. [0:59:43, 1:00:03]: Uh, I wanted to clarify that the uh we wasn't able to connect to a SOAR, have annex, so each property is gonna have its own uh septic and this is why it's only fifteen houses in a clubhouse instead of uh more you know, the first thing we was trying to do was townhouses, but that was not gonna be [1:00:03, 1:00:23]: beneficial to what we were dealing with. So we've decided to do this um this plan here consisting of 15 houses of um modern and contemporary style, um executive estate, um gated community uh with its own clubhouse. [1:00:23, 1:00:40]: uh gym, uh swimming pool and um other facilities, you know, with the gated community is gonna offer security uh for the this development in the city of Stockbridge. I believe it may be the first of its kind, as far as a gated community like this. And um [1:00:43, 1:00:58]: Each house on the um each lot will be different. Um every lot is uh not the same, so it's not gonna have your typical cookie cutter look. Um it's going to be more of a a custom executive uh development. [1:01:07, 1:01:08]: Any questions? [1:01:10, 1:01:11]: Questions from Commission? [1:01:13, 1:01:14]: I have a question. [1:01:16, 1:01:18]: Why are you going with subtle tanks? [1:01:19, 1:01:39]: We tried to um we tried to uh see if we could annex uh to the closest um developments and I believe it was a church that was too f you know far away to be able to hook up to the source system. We've been through the Henry County and the waters sort of trying to make this happen. [1:01:39, 1:01:46]: And I think through all the different studies that we had, we was not able to connect. So we uh went this direction. [1:01:53, 1:01:55]: It's kinda interesting, you know, because uh [1:01:56, 1:02:00]: I would think that the infrastructure would allow for you to connect. [1:02:00, 1:02:20]: I mean when w when you're developing something like this, uh I think the first thing you want to look at is the infrastructure, that is water, sewage, electricity, et cetera. You get those things lined up before you really start talking about development. I don't see let me get finished. I don't see separate [1:02:20, 1:02:31]: septic tanks being very viable long term. And uh historically certainly you're gonna have some issues with septic tanks. [1:02:33, 1:02:53]: Um like I said before, we did go through the um what we had to go through to see if we could connect to the SOAR. Um and I believe that everything that we went through we were told that we could not. And there was no way that we can connect to a SOAR system in that area, um w without getting approval, which [1:02:53, 1:03:03]: One is the HOA they didn't want to approve as far as we have to annex or ask to get into there. It just it wasn't viable at the time. So we did want to connect. [1:03:04, 1:03:06]: But we were told that we could not. [1:03:07, 1:03:27]: Um the source system, I mean the uh septic systems that we are using is not like your traditional septic systems. Um most will have a pumping system and a backup with it. The houses are has been significantly sized to and with the bedrooms and bathrooms allowed that will have a viable septic system that will [1:03:27, 1:03:47]: Requires cleaning every three years. That cleaning ranges with the company that we'll be putting them in is also be the servicer of those units. Cost to that is about$150 to$175 to maintain and clean it. The renewal [1:03:47, 1:03:57]: or replacement can happen every 30 years uh uh before it may have to be uh picked up and um reestablished and put in. [1:03:59, 1:04:00]: Yeah. [1:04:01, 1:04:06]: We are using concrete, um concrete tank units as well. [1:04:10, 1:04:30]: All right. Uh you have anyone who supports or oppose this if you support it or oppose it. Mr. Chairman, I I have a question. So for the gentleman. Um I didn't hear or I didn't understand the water authority rejected your request. No, the water uh authority did give us uh [1:04:29, 1:04:45]: I think it was what Henry County gave us a letter of approval as far as providing the water, but they could not do the the soar. We couldn't hook up to the sewer. But there's sewer running up and down Valley Hill Road. I wonder why that was. [1:04:50, 1:05:06]: Um, we've really went down that road to try to get this done any way possible because it's actually better for the owners to have this to t to have this to have a bigger, you know, housing on this. But everywhere we went we hit a dead end. We couldn't do it. [1:05:07, 1:05:21]: Okay. You could always what they call dry plum the house with a septic tank, eventually to tie it into the sewer system once it comes down the street, so to speak. Um maybe something you want to consider. [1:05:22, 1:05:42]: We did consider that and that actually will be in the blueprints to have an um a hookup when that hopefully when that time comes that we can discontinue with the um de septic system. It will actually have another pipe hit it on in front of each house. It'll just be capped off. And as soon as [1:05:42, 1:05:48]: As soon as that is allowed, we can run that right down a block and connect to the uh uh the street that's going by. [1:05:52, 1:05:53]: That it? [1:05:54, 1:06:11]: That's it. Oh, one more thing on a septic. Just uh they will also they the kind that we are going to get has filters, breathing filters. So there's no smell, things like that. The breathing filters will have to be replaced every six months or washed out, but the company would do that as well. [1:06:13, 1:06:13]: Okay. [1:06:15, 1:06:23]: Okay, uh public comment. Those who support or oppose it have you fill out an application and approach the podium. [1:06:25, 1:06:27]: All those who support, do you support it? [1:06:28, 1:06:30]: You support it, ma'am? [1:06:31, 1:06:33]: We have anyone supporting the project? [1:06:35, 1:06:36]: Those opposed. [1:06:37, 1:06:38]: You first, ma'am. [1:06:43, 1:06:50]: So am I correct in saying that this was IO eight or Miss approach the podium, give us your name and address. [1:06:50, 1:07:00]: Connie Snow, 426, Chase Marion Way, McDonough, Georgia, 30253. Am I correct in saying this is item eight and nine on the agenda? [1:07:01, 1:07:11]: We're on That's what you had said earlier. I'm just making sure I'm clear. We're on nine. We're nine. So my question is, is why is it not listed on our agenda? So we are prepared. [1:07:12, 1:07:12]: Well it's what? [1:07:12, 1:07:16]: It not listed on our agenda so that we are prepared. [1:07:25, 1:07:29]: You don't have rezoning a valley here on your agenda? [1:07:29, 1:07:31]: No, I only have items one through seven. [1:07:34, 1:07:36]: And so does everybody else here, correct? [1:07:38, 1:07:39]: One through seven. [1:07:39, 1:07:39]: Yes. [1:07:40, 1:07:51]: So it's hard to be prepared and be informative when you're not given all the facts so that you can research it and be prepared. That's all I need to say. And I just want to make sure that it's recorded for the record. Okay, thank you. [1:07:57, 1:07:58]: Did you fill out a a form? [1:07:59, 1:07:59]: I guess it. [1:08:00, 1:08:01]: Okay, we'll make sure. [1:08:02, 1:08:18]: Hi, my name is Susan Groven. I l speak a little louder. Speak a little louder. My name is Susan Grovener. I live at three ten Valley Hill Road. Um my property is the largest amount of property that is adjacent to the proposed subdivision that's being put in. [1:08:20, 1:08:20]: Um [1:08:23, 1:08:33]: The I I never received a letter. Um d I know now why I never received a letter like this that [1:08:34, 1:08:38]: Anne was so graciously to give to me. Um [1:08:39, 1:08:48]: The houses that are going in and everything, the reason why is be the septic tank issue is it's a mound of rock. [1:08:48, 1:08:48]: I mean. [1:08:49, 1:08:51]: It's a mound of rock. [1:08:51, 1:08:55]: When the subdivision went in back behind our property. [1:08:56, 1:09:03]: The amount of blasting that they had to do just to put those houses in affected the structure of my house. [1:09:04, 1:09:17]: They're gonna have to blast to get these houses put in. I know what my property is. I know what the subdivision. I've walked that property I don't know how many times where they're talking about putting the houses. [1:09:18, 1:09:19]: Um [1:09:20, 1:09:22]: Another thing is [1:09:23, 1:09:31]: The Hor Historical Society has come out to my property. Um, there's there's soldiers that are buried on the property. [1:09:32, 1:09:36]: There's soldiers that are buried on our property. [1:09:36, 1:09:54]: And I believe that there is also soldiers that are buried on the property that they're proposing to build the houses on. Our road is so congested as it is. Whenever a train comes, it backs all the way up the hill to North Davis Road. [1:09:55, 1:09:58]: I can barely get out of my driveway. [1:09:58, 1:10:06]: without having to just floor it as it is. Adding more traffic to that is gonna be ridiculous. [1:10:07, 1:10:08]: Um [1:10:09, 1:10:10]: Ди [1:10:11, 1:10:17]: The the map that I just received that I just saw about less than an hour ago. [1:10:22, 1:10:25]: It's going to put [1:10:26, 1:10:27]: My property [1:10:28, 1:10:30]: And a f it's gonna flood my property. [1:10:32, 1:10:33]: All of the runoff [1:10:34, 1:10:36]: It's gonna go like this right here. [1:10:37, 1:10:38]: And it's gonna be on my property. [1:10:40, 1:10:47]: As far as the dog park, the swimming pool and the clubhouse and everything else. [1:10:47, 1:10:49]: That's right next to my creek. [1:10:50, 1:10:53]: I've got a natural spring on my property. I've got two of'em actually. [1:10:54, 1:10:57]: And that's gonna run straight into that creek. [1:10:58, 1:11:01]: The wildlife that I have lived and [1:11:04, 1:11:04]: Uh uh uh [1:11:08, 1:11:10]: I think you cut it off. Tap it. [1:11:13, 1:11:17]: Okay. I've lived here for twenty three years. [1:11:18, 1:11:21]: I don't wanna have to up and move. I don't. [1:11:22, 1:11:24]: I I was born in Stockbridge. [1:11:25, 1:11:26]: I love this town. [1:11:27, 1:11:28]: Have all my life. [1:11:29, 1:11:37]: But to have seventeen, sixteen, seventeen houses right in my backyard, I'm talking it's gonna be within [1:11:38, 1:11:42]: I'm not good at distances or anything like that. [1:11:42, 1:11:46]: But it's probably gonna be fifty yards away from my home. [1:11:48, 1:11:50]: I know development. [1:11:50, 1:11:53]: is a natural thing. I do. [1:11:53, 1:12:04]: I just don't think that this suits what they're wanting to put on to affect so many other people. Um [1:12:06, 1:12:10]: Uh y I just think that it's just not [1:12:11, 1:12:13]: It it's not a good move. [1:12:13, 1:12:20]: Let me ask you this, has the developer been out to speak to all the computer. [1:12:21, 1:12:26]: There is a reason because what they're trying to do here is gonna destroy my house. [1:12:27, 1:12:29]: Литерли дестрой майонез. [1:12:30, 1:12:38]: I have cracked foundation and stuff from them putting in the two hundred and fifty houses back behind me. [1:12:39, 1:12:46]: I had to go down to the construction company and get them to replace some of the stuff that fell off my wall whenever they were blasting. [1:12:47, 1:12:51]: You're more than welcome to come to my property and see the amount of rock that we have. [1:12:52, 1:12:55]: That's probably the reason for the septic tanks. [1:12:57, 1:13:03]: Um, I wasn't aware. I thought everybody was on septic tanks on Valley Hill Road. [1:13:03, 1:13:04]: Adead. [1:13:05, 1:13:06]: Um [1:13:08, 1:13:11]: I I don't like it. I don't want it. [1:13:13, 1:13:14]: Saved my house. [1:13:15, 1:13:20]: That's I appreciate your time and I appreciate your consideration, but this is [1:13:21, 1:13:28]: Upset me to my core finding out all of this thirty minutes before I walked into this place. [1:13:30, 1:13:36]: To not be contacted, to not a letter be sent or anything. [1:13:36, 1:13:49]: And all I see is a public hearing notice on a sign that is this big driving thirty-five miles an hour down the road that you can't read. Chairman, we've reached the time. All right. You can call. I appreciate your time. [1:13:49, 1:13:54]: Also, we're only required to send a notice with people within three hundred feet. [1:13:56, 1:14:00]: My property is the biggest adjacent property. [1:14:02, 1:14:07]: Ma'am, you're out of order for this. Let me let me finish this up, okay? [1:14:07, 1:14:07]: Had [1:14:10, 1:14:12]: Anyone else who opposed the project? [1:14:12, 1:14:21]: Mr Chairman, the Mr Chair Speaker's address, uh she may have been talking about a different case. Her speaker's address is near Holloway Road. [1:14:21, 1:14:23]: Not the case that we're talking about right now. [1:14:25, 1:14:29]: No. Valley Hillbrook? You're talking about Valley Hillbrook. [1:14:30, 1:14:38]: Three ten Valley Hill Road, I've got about three quarters of a mile of property that adjacent Sir you have a lot of orders. [1:14:43, 1:14:44]: This is a formal meeting. [1:14:45, 1:14:47]: Let me ask you this. [1:14:47, 1:14:50]: We had a correct address that that she's referencing. [1:14:56, 1:15:16]: Uh while they clarify addresses, Mr. Chair, I did want to uh recognize the first gentlelady who went up on the mic. Uh she did say that it was not a uh agenda item on the on their agenda. However, it's just worded differently for us. For us, we see it as an action item. For them, if you go to public hearing number uh public hearing, it's [1:15:16, 1:15:26]: It's number two. It's item number two, which is what we're referring to. I have the public's agenda right here. Um and I will make sure the chair has this so he's aware uh with what you guys see as well. [1:15:55, 1:15:57]: Yeah, three minutes for rebuttal, sir. [1:15:59, 1:16:05]: Just wanted to address some of the concerns mainly about the water runoff. Um [1:16:06, 1:16:26]: The property will have a retention pond where the all the sores in the street and all that will be directed to. Each property also with the uh water runoff systems from the uh roof and the uh gutters and drains will actually go into a [1:16:26, 1:16:33]: in ground filtr inf filtration system to return the water back into its natural elements. It's not gonna be um [1:16:34, 1:16:54]: uh exited out just on the grounds for it to to to run off. So the only water when we were doing our best to control um water runoff. I go through this in the city of Brookhavens the same thing. So every house, every club the clubhouse, everything will have its own water filtration system. Every down [1:16:54, 1:17:14]: Will have will go down in the ground into that water filtation system. So um as well as the um the common street areas and all that will be directed to the uh retention pond system as well. The all the houses are gonna be on slabs. So we're not doing basements, we're not digging [1:17:14, 1:17:34]: Far that deep. And that's one of the reasons why I was talking about the septic systems having a pump system, so we don't have to go that far deep into the ground. But we did have soil tests where the septic systems are going to go. We don't have rocks or or hard. [1:17:34, 1:17:54]: Hard ground stones there in that area. This is why the houses are specifically a certain size and could not, you know, go completely on each property that is on the plat, as you've seen. So we were very careful with that. We don't like to blow things up and though sometimes it's necessary. [1:17:54, 1:18:13]: I haven't done it as of yet. I've been able to get things done with a uh power jack of heavy equipment without doing the dynamite thing. And um we're gonna do our would do our very best not to do it then. But we have took steps to protect surrounding areas from water runoff. [1:18:14, 1:18:22]: Let me ask you this. Did you um try to meet with the uh adjoining property owners to discuss your development? [1:18:23, 1:18:25]: No, I did not. Um [1:18:25, 1:18:45]: I know that the letters went out. I have no problem with meeting uh anyone. I have no problem with anyone receiving um my project manager's information. Um I have done this sort of thing before and and actually got a Zoom meeting together with folk, especially with the COVID thing going on, for them to [1:18:45, 1:19:05]: answers any QA's or any questions that they may um ask or have. I have no problem with um you know dealing with the residents around. And then this is just 15 houses. So I understand about the traffic and and the concerns of traffic with a lot of development going on. But how [1:19:05, 1:19:10]: This is fifteen homes and it's not a huge development here. [1:19:14, 1:19:25]: And you're saying there's not gonna be any blasting. Now you know, while you may not blast the use of heavy equipment, deck hammers and whatnot, that also impacts other people's property. [1:19:25, 1:19:31]: Absolutely. Blasting does a whole lot more. I understand that, but I'm just saying it's not that uh [1:19:31, 1:19:35]: your activity's gonna have a negative impact. It's gonna have an impact. [1:19:36, 1:19:37]: And for that reason [1:19:38, 1:19:48]: I was asking had you uh met with the joining property owners? No, I have not. I have not a problem. A lot of a lot of these issues can be resolved. [1:19:49, 1:19:55]: If you meet with the property owners in advance, let them know exactly what you're doing, give them um [1:19:56, 1:20:01]: A layout uh a model of what you're proposing and [1:20:01, 1:20:09]: how it's going to affect their property. Sometimes it could be an increase in the value of their property, but you won't know unless you engage in that kind of activity. [1:20:09, 1:20:11]: It is highly recommended. [1:20:11, 1:20:12]: For developers. [1:20:13, 1:20:14]: In advance. [1:20:15, 1:20:18]: To meet with the adjoining property owners є quick example. [1:20:20, 1:20:21]: I'm from Chicago. [1:20:22, 1:20:23]: And I did zoning in Chicago. [1:20:25, 1:20:27]: An applicant came before the council once. [1:20:28, 1:20:30]: And wanted to have uh um [1:20:31, 1:20:42]: Um God escaped me right now. What do you call it? Um where you dispose bodies burning. I can't think this word escapes me right now. [1:20:44, 1:20:47]: You understand me? The burning body. What is it called? What is that? [1:20:47, 1:20:48]: Cremation. [1:20:49, 1:20:52]: Wanted to build a cremation uh facility. [1:20:54, 1:20:57]: Uh on a major artery which was properly zoned could do that. [1:20:59, 1:21:03]: Okay. There was two ladies who came in. [1:21:06, 1:21:12]: And they made the statement that I don't wanna be baking a cake and smelling a body burn. Do you know what happened to that application? [1:21:15, 1:21:21]: I can imagine. Yeah, right. Mm-hmm. And so if you meet with the community in advance, [1:21:22, 1:21:26]: You can address all those kind of issues and concerns that they would have, i.e. [1:21:26, 1:21:32]: Is your activity going to destroy my property? What kind of impact it's gonna have on my property? What kinda [1:21:32, 1:21:37]: uh uh uh impact is you're gonna have on the traffic flow. A lot of these things can be mitigated. [1:21:37, 1:21:42]: may not necessarily resolve everything, but a lot of it can be mitigated. [1:21:42, 1:21:43]: If you take that step. [1:21:44, 1:22:04]: Um what you're saying is not foreign to me. I believe in it. I have done it before in a different way. Um I love meeting the people, especially around um a development like this that we're uh wanting to do work on. For one, security. I think that the neighbors who know who I am and also know who [1:22:04, 1:22:24]: know uh that have a contact with us if they have concerns or something that's going on that is affecting them and they can get in touch with me or mainly one of the project managers, it works well. Um also if they know that I am touchable, I'm not, I'm a small, as my wife say, boutique builder. I'm not [1:22:24, 1:22:44]: Adams homes or whatnot. I took and bought 21 lots in Spotty Village, which is a 55 and over gated community. Did the same things. Small, individual, but custom homes. But everyone knows me there. If something goes wrong, they know how to get in touch with me. They know how to call me if they see something strange. [1:22:44, 1:23:04]: Happening, they know how to call me. I do that as I get to know the people and things like that around there. Um for a project like this, we would have a tent. We would have a bigger sign that can be seen for information website and phone numbers for anyone to contact if they want to have or have some concerns. [1:23:04, 1:23:21]: or want to do a meet and greet. We do have different functions. I have done that before because it just I've had big equipment stolen before. And it's just easier when the community is looking out for you. But for that to happen, they need to also know that I'm looking out for them as well. [1:23:23, 1:23:25]: And so all of these houses are gonna be built on slabs. [1:23:26, 1:23:28]: All these houses would be built on slabs. [1:23:31, 1:23:31]: Okay. [1:23:34, 1:23:36]: Any questions, uh council members? [1:23:38, 1:23:42]: I have a question. Uh I'm I'm I'm a little bit disturbed because uh [1:23:42, 1:23:50]: You're speaking to me as though you have all this experience, but the question I would be asking, why hadn't you present yourself to the homeowners? [1:23:51, 1:23:59]: As far as their concerns are, I I don't think they should be running to you and when they have no idea who you are. [1:24:00, 1:24:20]: One of the things I need to find out when one to come to these meetings to find out if what we're proposing can work or do we have to do something else. Um when I do speak to the people around the area, I like to tell them exactly what we're going to do, what we're permitted or what has been approved, and not what [1:24:20, 1:24:40]: we're trying to do um also it's not I mean you just gotta be real careful before you just go in and knocking on people's doors and things and introducing yourself really careful these days. So we do do a meet and greet. We do put up a pop-up tent and a big sign and and also letters if people [1:24:40, 1:24:57]: people want to come by and want to engage with us, that is on a mutual agreement. Um but um I mean that's just how you know we we do it right now. The safest way to do it right now. I mean, I don't say that I can [1:24:58, 1:25:10]: Please every I try to uh make everyone happy. You're not. I try to make everybody at least comfortable, even though if they're not happy, at least they're comfortable w you know with me. [1:25:16, 1:25:17]: Okay, thank you. [1:25:25, 1:25:29]: Yes, ma'am. You have a an applic yeah you fill out a form, approach the podium. [1:25:41, 1:25:48]: Good evening and thank you for allowing me to speak. I have been a resident of High Lane Drive for th over thirty-six years. [1:25:48, 1:25:52]: I first provide me with your name and address. I apologize. My name is Susan Cosby. [1:25:53, 1:25:57]: And I live at one ten High Lane Drive, which backs up to this project. [1:25:57, 1:25:58]: Come closer to the mic. [1:25:59, 1:26:18]: This gentleman has stated that there will be no blasting in that neighborhood. However, he also stated that there will be a pool. My neighbors have had to blast to have pools put in their backyards. Henry County Water Authority had to come in with heavy equipment to replace the piping. [1:26:19, 1:26:21]: And when they bought [1:26:21, 1:26:24]: the water rights from Clayton County. [1:26:24, 1:26:44]: Because there is granite just one foot below the surface of the ground on High Lane Drive. So will there be blasting? Of course there will be. Will there be heavy equipment? Of course there will be. My house suffered structural damage because of the blasting of the 240 houses that are in the neighborhood behind which [1:26:44, 1:27:04]: where the proposed building is. He talks about that there will be pools, dog parks, walking track and everything. However, the pack people who have lived in this area for 10, 20, 30 or more years will not have access to that because it's a gated community. [1:27:04, 1:27:15]: But he's taking this neighborhood and put it right in the middle of where we live. He is building a neighborhood that will have [1:27:16, 1:27:20]: A turn lane on Valley Hill Road that is just below the crest of a hill. [1:27:21, 1:27:23]: That is a blind spot. [1:27:23, 1:27:38]: The traffic there already is horrendous. The cars come over that hill and they do not see when I'm turning left out of High Lane Drive. I have to go down old stagecoach road. [1:27:38, 1:27:42]: just to be able to get out without [1:27:42, 1:27:45]: Worrying whether I'll be hit or not. [1:27:46, 1:27:48]: The traffic from this neighborhood will hinder [1:27:49, 1:28:03]: even more because if they're turning left right at the top of the hill, I won't see them coming out of the neighborhood prior to me trying to turn left. I have seen this city grow. [1:28:04, 1:28:06]: I was a part of the county. [1:28:06, 1:28:08]: Up until November of this past year. [1:28:09, 1:28:29]: And we were zoned rural. Now he wants us to be zoned suburban. I didn't come to this area to be suburban. I moved here when there was just a couple of red lights. We'd like to have that area continue to be a nature area. [1:28:29, 1:28:33]: Where the deer and the fox and the coyotes [1:28:33, 1:28:37]: And the possums and everything else live because of the creek. [1:28:38, 1:28:42]: There's two creeks there, and his intention is to block them. [1:28:43, 1:28:46]: So that there's a retention pond? [1:28:46, 1:28:48]: That's not gonna benefit the n uh [1:28:49, 1:29:04]: Wildlife in the area that there is so little of at this time. The area is that is where the animals live. If he blocks these creeks, where are they gonna get the water from? Because that pond is gonna be fenced in. [1:29:06, 1:29:08]: The animals aren't gonna be able to get there. [1:29:08, 1:29:12]: And again, all of us who live around this area. [1:29:13, 1:29:20]: Will not have the benefit of seeing the wildlife. We won't have the benefit of the pool and everything. [1:29:20, 1:29:22]: amenities he's talking about. [1:29:22, 1:29:28]: Because it is going to be a gated community. And he says he's talked to the water authority. [1:29:30, 1:29:33]: If he's talked to him, he'll know that we can [1:29:34, 1:29:45]: have a problem with the water pressure as it is. We also have a problem with our water being orange, probably about once or twice a month, one time to the point [1:29:45, 1:29:51]: That I was taking a shower and the orange water dyed my hair. [1:29:51, 1:29:53]: I had to pay. [1:29:53, 1:30:01]: to get my hair fixed because of the water. And they told me it was because they were cleaning the lines. [1:30:03, 1:30:14]: Any additional residence is gonna put a strain on the system as it is and it needs to be addressed prior to anybody considering building in the area. [1:30:15, 1:30:20]: So I'm asking that you consider the things that I've stated before you vote on this rezoning. [1:30:21, 1:30:21]: Um [1:30:22, 1:30:29]: I think everybody who is sitting here in the auditorium tonight would agree with me that we have been here a long time. [1:30:29, 1:30:32]: And we have all just been annexed into the city. [1:30:33, 1:30:36]: And now we're having to pay the price of giving up. [1:30:37, 1:30:41]: That little bit of area that we felt was a little bit of nature. [1:30:43, 1:30:48]: We don't ha we won't have the creeks because the people behind the gated community's gonna be enjoying that. [1:30:49, 1:30:51]: We're gonna pay the price though. [1:30:51, 1:30:53]: The lack of water. [1:30:53, 1:30:54]: Pressure [1:30:55, 1:30:57]: The addition of traffic? [1:30:58, 1:30:59]: And possibly the nuisance of [1:31:00, 1:31:01]: Additional crime. [1:31:02, 1:31:04]: I am a victim of crime, said [1:31:04, 1:31:08]: Of an from an area that was built in just the past few years. [1:31:09, 1:31:11]: I had a gentleman who was renting. [1:31:12, 1:31:13]: A camper [1:31:14, 1:31:16]: In the backyard of one of those houses. [1:31:17, 1:31:19]: And he started stalking me. [1:31:20, 1:31:27]: He knew what time I got off work, and he was in my backyard when I pulled in my driveway at two AM. [1:31:28, 1:31:32]: He would sit in my backyard. Well I would sit on my porch and not know he was there. [1:31:33, 1:31:37]: And he would masturbate while having a machete sit beside him. [1:31:38, 1:31:40]: We don't need additional crime. [1:31:41, 1:31:42]: Time is up. [1:31:42, 1:31:43]: Thank you. [1:31:47, 1:31:48]: Anyone else? [1:31:52, 1:31:53]: Anyone else opposing the project? [1:31:56, 1:31:58]: That closes public comment. [1:32:02, 1:32:04]: Commission members. [1:32:05, 1:32:23]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchon. I have one thought kind of gnawing at me. Um sixteen homes are being proposed versus fifty to a hundred townhomes that could be potential on this piece of property. Which would we prefer? [1:32:38, 1:32:40]: Mr. Chair, may I make a comment? [1:32:40, 1:32:41]: Sure. [1:32:42, 1:33:02]: Well, one thing that uh the public is not told is that the decisions that we make here is not final. Even if even if we said yes or no, it's gonna be up to the city council to make the final decision to decide what's gonna be done when it comes to the city. [1:33:02, 1:33:03]: comes to the property. [1:33:06, 1:33:15]: Mr. Chairman, point of clarification. Townhomes may not be built on the property under the existing zoning, nor even on the proposed zoning. [1:33:21, 1:33:23]: So I'll just the zoning change. [1:33:24, 1:33:25]: Would you repeat that, Mr. Logan? [1:33:30, 1:33:39]: Of the property does not allow townhomes, and the requested rezoning also does not allow townhomes. [1:33:45, 1:33:50]: Correct. The existing zoning doesn't allow for what's being proposed. That's what we're up here trying to decide. [1:33:54, 1:34:14]: Existing zoning allows um single family houses by themselves but not a subdivision per se. That's why the rezoning is necessary. But you mentioned townhomes and no townhomes can be built unless the property is rezoned to M FR or PUD, which [1:34:14, 1:34:16]: Is not the subject of this case. [1:34:17, 1:34:20]: Right. That's not the zoning this gentleman is requesting. [1:34:23, 1:34:27]: He's requesting uh suburban suburban rule. [1:34:34, 1:34:38]: Mr. Chairman, I have a question for staff, please. Sure. [1:34:40, 1:34:45]: This property, to my understanding, was recently annexed into the city. [1:34:48, 1:35:00]: And I'm wondering, uh uh the the current zoning is to my understanding Henry County's zone in classifications. Is that correct? [1:35:03, 1:35:07]: And the proposed zoning is really to [1:35:08, 1:35:12]: Align with the City of Stockbridge is owning. [1:35:15, 1:35:17]: For similar uses, correct? [1:35:19, 1:35:27]: Not necessarily a z uh line. This is what the applicant is requesting in order to allow this subdivision to be built. [1:35:28, 1:35:30]: Well let me let me rephrase. [1:35:32, 1:35:41]: Henry County has a suburban a rule of residential classification. The City of Stockbridge does not. Is that correct? [1:35:44, 1:35:52]: A, which is residential agricultural, whereas uh city zoning is R R rural residential. [1:35:54, 1:35:57]: Okay, so we've already made the transition. [1:35:58, 1:36:16]: Well well the R R is similar to the county's R A, but one of there's three parcels on this property and one of'em um is zone uh C one for commercial. I'm aware of that and that that was I do that I was gonna inquire if you knew the history of why that is zone commercial. [1:36:17, 1:36:20]: Because it doesn't seem to be appropriate for the neighborhood. [1:36:23, 1:36:25]: Well it was on commercial a long time ago. [1:36:27, 1:36:30]: Right, I understand that, but I was just wondering if you knew why. [1:36:32, 1:36:51]: No, not exactly what's gone zone commercial. I guess where I'm going with this is that the rezoning case that bef that's before us seems to be appropriate. Seems to be the appropriate zoning for this part these two parcels in that area. [1:36:53, 1:36:55]: And for that reason [1:36:57, 1:37:15]: I would be inclined to support the support the rezoning case. I do have some concerns about and now that I've heard the presentation from the applicant and heard the public comments, I am concerned about [1:37:18, 1:37:31]: The rock, the separate tanks, the blasting or the what if it would take to in fact erect the subdivision and I guess I'm qu qu asking staff [1:37:31, 1:37:35]: They would they would have to go through the development phase and they would have to um [1:37:35, 1:37:41]: be in compliance with all cities re citi all the cities regulations as far as it concerns development, erosion. [1:37:41, 1:37:50]: uh the the hours in which they can bill and um if they use dynamite to bless they will have to be in in compliance with the city's ordinances [1:37:50, 1:38:02]: So voting for this rezoning is just to really get the the correct rezoning, the proper zoning for that parcel. Um [1:38:04, 1:38:09]: But to actual build on it, there's some other steps that you guys would have to [1:38:10, 1:38:26]: Yes, I'm not sure. Supervise, if you will. And and and typically I rely on staff most of the times because you're the professionals, you're the experts. They would have to go through the development play uh the development phase and we have some really stringent criteria. [1:38:26, 1:38:28]: That they will have to adhere too. [1:38:29, 1:38:31]: Okay. [1:38:32, 1:38:35]: Okay. All those issues will be taken care of in the [1:38:36, 1:38:40]: I would encourage the applicant um [1:38:42, 1:38:50]: I think it would be advantageous. It's probably already been said, but typically [1:38:50, 1:38:55]: Applicants reach out to the community very early in the process. [1:38:57, 1:39:00]: And I would encourage you to do that. [1:39:01, 1:39:02]: He met the minimum standards. [1:39:04, 1:39:23]: Commissioner. Okay. I I'm not necessarily talking about minimum standards. I'm talking about customer service and community relations and getting along with folk. That kind of thing. Uh it's a lot easier [1:39:26, 1:39:27]: To get support. [1:39:28, 1:39:30]: When you engage people early on. [1:39:32, 1:39:52]: The reality I think right now today is that we're here really for a recombination to solidify it's the rezoning. Yeah, yeah. So um uh while we may can approve the zoning, that does not mean that you can go ahead and start building. Correct. Uh I think that um to rezone [1:39:52, 1:40:02]: own the property to make it one track or or or combine it, it's not gonna have a negative impact on the community. Uh going forward trying to build something. [1:40:02, 1:40:05]: It's going to be a different ball game altogether. [1:40:05, 1:40:09]: And that's why I asked the gentleman had he spoke to the community about it. [1:40:11, 1:40:16]: To let them know exactly what's going on, what kind of impact it's gonna have on their property. One of the things that staff does. [1:40:17, 1:40:20]: is talk about the adjoining property owners and what kind of impact [1:40:21, 1:40:41]: the zoning change or the construction we'll have on their property. One lady spoke today, said that she's already experienced a negative impact of development because uh they are blasting uh the granite, I believe, uh below uh the surface. And as a result of that, uh her foundation was uh adversely affected. So [1:40:41, 1:41:01]: So I think uh well our our task here this evening is simply to approve or deny the recombination, but the recombination will not get you the erection of a building. So uh our actions tonight will not negatively impact your property. Will not negatively imp impact your property. [1:41:01, 1:41:08]: It is the future activities that may impact your property. And I think as counsel as um my colleague has stated, [1:41:08, 1:41:13]: You really need the support of the community and there needs to be a serious study in terms of [1:41:14, 1:41:18]: What kind of impact any construction to go on that property will have on you? [1:41:19, 1:41:28]: And I think that is the point at which you really uh solidify your actions against the uh applicant, developer, owner, whoever. [1:41:31, 1:41:33]: Having said that, can I get a motion? [1:41:35, 1:41:42]: Mr. Chairman, this is Stan Does. I move approval of rezoning case R Z two Zero Two Three Dash Zero T. [1:41:44, 1:41:58]: I have a second. Ms. Harrell. I'll second it. Been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Ayes have it. The uh matter is approved for rezoning. [1:41:59, 1:42:06]: But let me say to the audience, this is simply putting two tracts of land together, does not build anything. [1:42:07, 1:42:21]: does not build anything. So our actions here tonight will not adversely affect your property. As uh uh Planning Commission has stated, there's several other stuff they have to go through. This is just a foundational matter here. So [1:42:23, 1:42:24]: Thank you. [1:42:25, 1:42:39]: Uh Mr. Chairman, uh correction if I may please, before the all before the public leave. It's not a rezon uh recombination. It is a just strictly rezoning. They will have to come back and combine them. [1:42:40, 1:42:42]: Okay. At some future point. All right. Thank you. [1:42:57, 1:42:58]: Think item ten is next. [1:43:01, 1:43:21]: Annex case number AX 2023-03 to be located in Council District 5. Consideration of a request for annexation of property at 17, at 77 and 87 Holloway Road within frontage on Patrick Henry Parkway, located in unincorporated Henry County into the stock. [1:43:21, 1:43:41]: Bridge City Limits. The applicant is uh next metro acquisition LLC uh care of battle law PC. The property contains two parcels as are listed below in land lot 50 of District 6, 14.16 plus or minus total acres. [1:43:40, 1:44:00]: 77 Holloway Road parcel number 052. Dash 01023000 contains 1.16 plus or minus acres. 87 Holloway Road parcel number 0052. 01024000 contains 13. [1:44:00, 1:44:06]: plus or minus acres presented by community development staff. [1:44:09, 1:44:17]: Thank you, Chairman Dilla. Uh we're gonna present the for the annexation twenty twenty three dash zero three. [1:44:19, 1:44:39]: The case facts. The applicant is next mexro acquisition, which is represented by battle law. The owners is Charles R. McCraney, 77 Holloway Road, and James Holloway Senior, 87 Holloway Road. The applicant's request is considered request for the annexation of property at 77 and 87 Holloway World Road. [1:44:39, 1:44:59]: Road with frontage of Patrick Henry Parkway located unincorporated Henry County into the Stockbridge city limits. The number of acres is 14.162 acres and is vacant with a single-family residence on 87 Highway Road. The current county zoning is RA Residential Mixed or Residential Agricultural. [1:44:59, 1:45:02]: And the county land use zone is mixed use. [1:45:06, 1:45:08]: This is the area further the property. [1:45:10, 1:45:22]: These are this is seventy seven Holloway Road right here and eighty seven Hollyway Road. This is the rehabilitation uh hospital and this is Eagles Landing Unit Eight and this is Eagles Crest subdivision. [1:45:26, 1:45:41]: The adjacent property zone and property to the north is RM Multifamily Residential and RA Residential Agricultural District. The properties to the south are zone RR residential for the city of Stockbridge and C3 [1:45:42, 1:45:56]: Heavy Commercial District, Hen Henry County. Properties to the East, RM Multifamily Residential District, and Properties to the West, R R Residential for the City Stockbridge, and OI Office Institutional, which is for Henry County. [1:45:59, 1:46:02]: This is a joint zoning map of um [1:46:03, 1:46:10]: After subject properties, this is seventy CM Hollyway Road and A Sam Hollywood. As you can see, the properties are zone RA. [1:46:12, 1:46:15]: And in the city is z uh zone are uh res rural residential. [1:46:18, 1:46:38]: This is the surrounding future land use zoning. Property to the north is zone uh high density residential by Henry County. Property to the south is medium density vertical mixed use for the Stockbridge and Mixed Use Henry County. Properties to the east is high density residential, Henry County, Eagles Land. [1:46:38, 1:46:55]: Middle school park recreation conservation properties to the west is Bacant, which is medium density vertical mixed use for the city of Stockbridge, and the Rehab Rehabilitation Hospital, which is our high density residential. [1:46:58, 1:47:01]: And this is the joint feature land muse map map. [1:47:05, 1:47:23]: The project information, the developer proposes to build a mixed residential development with one hundred thirty-six units, including ninety-two single-family DCAS rental units and forty-four duplex rental units. In addition, the development will include a dog park, pool, spa, and a gazebo. [1:47:27, 1:47:31]: And this is the criteria based on section nine point eight of Unified Development Code. [1:47:34, 1:47:35]: Staff analysis. [1:47:36, 1:47:56]: Is the subject property contiguous to the existing corporate limits? Yes, the subject is contiguous with the following parcels that are located within the city limits of Stockbridge. Parcel number 052-010-2200-25 Hollywood Road 0520101 [1:47:56, 1:48:02]: one one thousand and fifty two dash zero one two three zero zero two. [1:48:03, 1:48:06]: They're going to use the one hundred percent method. [1:48:08, 1:48:25]: Is any part of the subject property being proposed for annexation within the within the boundary of another municipal corporation or county? Yes, the subject property is located within the boundary of Henry County. And yes, the subject property is receiving municipal services from Henry County. [1:48:28, 1:48:45]: Is the subject property for the proposed annexation being developed for urban purposes defined as a minimum of two people per acre? Yes, the applicant proposes a mixed residential community with one hundred thirty six units, including nine or two single family detached and four to four duplex rental. [1:48:46, 1:49:05]: Is the proposed annexation consistent with the comp plan? No. The subject property has a Henry future land use designation of mixed use. And the applicant has submitted a comprehensive plan amendment CP twenty-three-twenty-three to assign the future land use designation of high density residential, which will be heard afterwards. [1:49:05, 1:49:20]: Does the pro proposed annexed property share a common zoning classification with the adjoining city property? No, the applicant has submitted a rezoning application, RZ 2023-04 to assign the zoning district of PUD. [1:49:20, 1:49:31]: the potential positive effects of the p proposed annexation on the character of the proposed zoning district. The proposed subdivision will not have any negative impact on the existing subdivisions. [1:49:36, 1:49:54]: The physical conditions of the site relative to the capability to be developed as requested include the topography, drainage, access, and size and shape of the property. The site plan the applicant has provided shows that the proposed mixed residential development will be compatible with the physical features of the subject property. [1:49:55, 1:50:13]: The impact upon adjacent prop property owners should the quest be represented. To the north and east of the subject property lies the Eagle Crest subdivision. Although the resident units are adjacent to the residents of the Eagle Crest subdivision, the site plan shows that the developer is planning to install a fence around the perimeter of the property. [1:50:14, 1:50:27]: and the impact of the annexation on the city infrastructure, including water and sewage system. A letter from the Herring County Waters Authority dated February twenty eighth, twenty three, stated that the water service along with [1:50:31, 1:50:51]: Along with the sewage treatment and sewer line capacity are available for the subject properties, and the impact of the proposed annexation on the adjacent thoroughfares and pedestrian and vehicular so circulation of traffic volumes, the proposed subdivision will not have any negative impact on adjacent thoroughfares, nor pedestrian and vehicle circulation and traffic volumes. [1:50:53, 1:50:55]: And the staff recommends approval. [1:51:01, 1:51:03]: Yeah, the applicant present. [1:51:03, 1:51:04]: Mm uh. [1:51:10, 1:51:12]: Presentation should be right there. That's your presentation. [1:51:24, 1:51:44]: Good evening, Michelle Battle with Battle Law 3562, Habersham at North Lake, Tucker, Georgia, 30084. Um before I start, um because we've got three applications, I see we did not take them all together. Um we're dealing with the annexation first. Um I do have a presentation and before the clock starts. [1:51:44, 1:51:58]: I I'd like to kind of know whether or not you all would like the whole overview of the project or we're just gonna deal with the annexation because I think there are some issues that I'd like to point out specifically for the annexation before even starting the presentation. [1:51:59, 1:52:01]: Can we hold on that for one second while I get an answer? [1:52:02, 1:52:03]: I want my time sicking. [1:52:05, 1:52:11]: Because you didn't take all I I had anticipated you all taking all three together, but if we're gonna do them separately then I I don't wanna [1:52:12, 1:52:14]: give the same presentation three times. [1:52:15, 1:52:25]: Well, for the benefit of the audience they're not familiar with that, we're probably gonna take'em individually. Okay. All right. So I'm gonna start with the annexation um and and talk about that first. [1:52:26, 1:52:46]: Um the subject property on um three sides are abutted by property that is within um unincorporated Henry County. The property directly across the street is how we are able to annex into the city of Stockbridge. So that property which is zoned RR currently is undeveloped, um kind of a greenway across. [1:52:46, 1:53:06]: Across the street, and we have to cross over to the other side of the interstate before we see many of the residents, at least directly across from the entrance into the project. We certainly are aware of the adjacent residential community, but again, it lies outside. [1:53:06, 1:53:10]: of um the jurisdictional boundaries of Stockbridge. [1:53:10, 1:53:11]: Mm. [1:53:11, 1:53:31]: The current land use designation for the property is mixed use, and in uh Henry County that allows for up to 16 units per acre. What we are requesting is to amend um in a later application the comprehensive plan uh to high density residential, which allows for a similar um [1:53:31, 1:53:51]: Density on site. And so we believe that despite staff indicating that we are inconsistent, we are certainly inconsistent from the perspective of one says mixed use and one says high density. But when you look at the density that is allowed under each designation. [1:53:51, 1:54:11]: they are similar. So um I thought that that is uh important to be pointed out as you all are making a decision with regards to the annexation. Um we believe that the annexation is appropriate. Um again we are in uh an area that is directly across from the city we know that the city is continuing um to grow and we [1:54:11, 1:54:31]: And we are hopeful that this particular project will be invited into the city of Stockbridge. With that said, we'll get started with the other part of our presentation. Avila is a developer of rental homes, and they are here this evening and hopefully. [1:54:31, 1:54:49]: hopes of presenting to you a project that they are extremely excited about bringing to the city of Stockbridge and to the metro Atlanta area. I wanted to start out with a little video presentation that gives you an idea of what it is that they do, and then we'll get into a little bit more detail. [1:54:52, 1:54:54]: Let us hope it plays. [1:54:59, 1:55:05]: This is an overview of a project that they've done in Texas and it gives you a little bit of information here about [1:55:05, 1:55:06]: What it will look like. [1:56:31, 1:56:51]: So that is the presentation in terms of the fly-through. We've seen the location of the current site, so we won't linger there. Staff has made a great presentation of the uses that are surrounding in terms of the zonings. In Henry County, we have OI in this location. We've got RM that's around the perimeter of the site. [1:56:51, 1:57:11]: Again, this RM while single family detached does have a land use designation similar. So multifamily is certainly in this area, and higher densities would be allowed. The site plan that we are presenting to you this evening provides for 136. [1:57:11, 1:57:31]: units. Forty-four of those would be sorry, let me go to the next slide. 44 of those would be one bedroom duplexes. There would be 54 two-bedroom units and 38 three bedroom units. And the density on this project is actually only 9.6 units per acre. What we are taking [1:57:31, 1:57:51]: Typically accustomed to seeing in these types of projects are vertical type apartment complexes. That is not what this is. This is a different type of complex. We know that it is something that is not typical within communities, but it is something that is becoming much more. [1:57:51, 1:58:11]: attractive as people are making a decision that they don't want to actually own, that they want to live in a community in which they can rent but have a home that allows for them to live a particular type of lifestyle. These homes will be single story, detached cottage style homes. They are maintenance-free living, professional [1:58:11, 1:58:27]: on-site management, single family style living with neighborhood amenities, backyards. So if you have a dog, instead of being in an apartment complex and having to worry about coming downstairs and going out with your dog, you can have your dog in your own private yard that is a part of this rental community. [1:58:29, 1:58:49]: Um Avila residents are renters by choice. Many of them have financial means to buy a home, but they choose not to at this point in their lives. Many of them are professional millennials, midlife singles, uh dual-income couples, and empty nesters. 58%, and they're going across the board of all the Avilla um properties that they own and operate, 58% of [1:58:49, 1:59:09]: The individuals who live in there are over the age of 35, and 23% are over the age of 55. The average income in those households tend to be about$132,000. Minor occupants, only 20% of the households even have children. Again, when we look at um [1:59:08, 1:59:23]: the marital status of the people in uh those homes. Um we do have a lot of single individuals, um people who may be widowed or separated, um living in the homes as well, and roughly about forty-three percent of the people are married. [1:59:24, 1:59:37]: Children, again, less than 20% of the folks in these homes have children. Um if they do, it's usually only one child at 11.2%, um two children at six percent and three or more only um two point one percent. [1:59:38, 1:59:58]: Um we believe that this is an opportunity to provide again an alternative to housing. We know that we are in a housing shortage, that there is a need for housing, there are a need for different types of housing, and we believe that this is a housing product that we simply have not seen. Um a lot of times that um the folks who [1:59:58, 2:00:18]: Are moving into these communities again, or people who have made the decision not to live in that single-family detached home any longer that they're paying for and that they have to worry about maintenance and the like. These are perfect for seniors who have resources, but maybe coming out of a larger home, wanting to downsize, don't [2:00:18, 2:00:38]: Want all the extra headaches of home ownership, but want to live not maybe in a designated senior community, but continue to live around others who are of varying ages, but have a space where they have a backyard and you don't have to worry again about all the maintenance. [2:00:38, 2:00:58]: Maintenance and the like. We're here to answer any questions that you may have. I'll take uh I guess we've got three applications to go through, so I'll have plenty of time for rebuttal, but wanted to kind of give you an overview of the project, and we are here to answer any questions. We do have um Sean Rust, who is here with um Next Metro, and he's available as well. [2:00:58, 2:01:05]: to answer any questions that you may have. But we're very excited about this opportunity and thank you for the opportunity to come before you this evening. [2:01:07, 2:01:08]: Thank you, Ms. Battle. [2:01:10, 2:01:13]: Are there any questions from my fellow commissioners? [2:01:15, 2:01:16]: For the applicant. [2:01:17, 2:01:19]: This is just for annexation, right? [2:01:20, 2:01:21]: I'm sorry. [2:01:22, 2:01:25]: This is just for the annexation portion, right? Correct. Yeah. That is correct. [2:01:27, 2:01:28]: Any questions? [2:01:30, 2:01:32]: Thank you, Ms. Barrett. Thank you. [2:01:33, 2:01:38]: I'm gonna open it up now for public comments. [2:01:39, 2:01:46]: Uh and and you've been given instructions earlier on how we do that, what the process is. [2:01:48, 2:01:57]: So at this time I would like to entertain anybody that's in the audience who's in favor of this [2:01:58, 2:01:59]: Project. [2:02:03, 2:02:15]: Hearing none, then I will open it up for anyone who's opposed. I trust that you fill out a form. If you will state your name and address, speaking to the microphone, you have three minutes. [2:02:15, 2:02:30]: Connie Snow, 426 Chase, Marion Way, McDonough, Georgia, 3025 30253. First of all, thank you for letting me speak today. Um, to the lady that just spoke about the development that she's proposing outside of my neighborhood. [2:02:30, 2:02:39]: You speak about a pool and a gazebo. Well, that's great. We won't ever get to use it. But let me ask you a question. What are you gonna do about the multiple times that [2:02:39, 2:02:45]: You have security interferences with people breaking in and breaking stuff. The reason why I bring that up today is. [2:02:46, 2:03:06]: I've lived at my house for 19 years. When I bought my house 19 years ago, it was an idyllic place to raise my child. In the past five years, it has turned nothing more to a crime-filled area that I worry about my kids' safety. In addition, a few years ago we built a racetrack, which increased the foot traffic in my neighbor. [2:03:06, 2:03:09]: In the past two years my car has been stolen from my driveway. [2:03:09, 2:03:29]: Six months ago, I went out to check on a neighbor because I seen an ambulance in front of her house. She's a single lady, lives on her own, been my neighbor for 20 years, really worried about her. Worst mistake I ever made that night. I walked out of my house at two o'clock in the morning to check on a neighbor that I was worried about because I was up late by myself. My family was asleep. [2:03:30, 2:03:33]: I left the door unlocked. As I walked away and walked over to check on my neighbor, [2:03:34, 2:03:47]: There were five or six police cars surrounding her house. She was inside safely, thank God. They had detained some individuals. During that detainment, one broke free, pushed me to the ground, and the police also pushed me to the ground and refused to let me enter my home. [2:03:48, 2:03:54]: During the forty five minutes to an hour that I was waiting to go back home, I was worried if my door was locked, if my children were safe. [2:03:55, 2:04:15]: It took me 30 minutes to get a hold of somebody to lock that door. And in that meantime, I watched as that individual ran up my steps and the police tackled him. That is one of eight to ten incidences of crime I've seen rise in my neighborhood in the past year alone. So don't tell me for a moment that your apartment complex will not bring more crime. In addition. [2:04:15, 2:04:24]: I live in front of the high school and the middle school and probably about a half a mile from the elementary school. Ninety percent of the kids in my neighborhood walk. [2:04:25, 2:04:41]: to the element or walk to the middle school and the high school. They do not ride the bus. There are no sidewalks on that school area. The traffic increase, the crazy drivers. What are you going to do to make sure that my kids do not get hit by one of your tenants in your neighborhood? [2:04:42, 2:04:50]: What are you going to do to make sure that my neighborhood, which is directly behind that, is safe and protected? Excuse me, ma'am. You have to address the chairman, please. [2:04:51, 2:05:11]: At the end of the day, you guys, you want to talk about, she said, uh, most people don't want to own. You're wrong. They do. They can't afford it. They can't afford it because people like you, yourself back here, keep buying the property and make it impossible for them to afford a home of their own. So don't act like they don't want to own. They don't have the availability to. [2:05:10, 2:05:13]: do so due to the corruption and corporate politics. [2:05:15, 2:05:22]: I can keep going on here and here, and I'm can stay here for all your rezoning questions, but I'm not. What I'm going to tell you tonight is I'm strongly opposed to it. [2:05:23, 2:05:28]: I'm strongly opposed to you guys continually deteriorating our neighborhoods. [2:05:28, 2:05:31]: To rezone us into Stockbridge is wrong. [2:05:31, 2:05:33]: Ви вона стай ру. [2:05:33, 2:05:38]: Agriculture. I like coming out in the morning and seeing my deers, the cranes. They're all going away now. [2:05:39, 2:05:46]: When I leave my driveway to go to work, I almost hit five deers every day. Why? Because they have nowhere to go, because you keep cutting it down. [2:05:46, 2:05:54]: I did not move to Henry County to get away from Clayton County and the crime to be right where I'm at 20 years later. [2:05:54, 2:05:59]: And to be in a position where I can't sell my house because there's nowhere else to go. [2:06:00, 2:06:04]: At some point, you guys up here have to make a decision what's best for us. [2:06:04, 2:06:09]: 'Cause you're not. I've listened all night to this meeting where it's been unorganized. [2:06:10, 2:06:12]: Gen does not fill it out correctly. [2:06:13, 2:06:14]: And just not very [2:06:14, 2:06:17]: informative. Most people didn't even get a notice. [2:06:18, 2:06:18]: Do better. [2:06:20, 2:06:23]: And I'd also like a copy of all the minute meetings, please. Thank you. Have a good night. [2:06:25, 2:06:25]: Yeah. [2:06:29, 2:06:30]: Yeah. [2:06:43, 2:07:03]: Um my name's Ann Fields and my address is three two nine Chase Marion Way. I l am the like eighth house down the street from the corner of Holloway on the left side. I moved here a year ago, a couple months, year and a couple months, relocated from Pittsburgh. [2:07:03, 2:07:06]: Pennsylvania for Delta Airlines. [2:07:08, 2:07:11]: During the time that I had been offered my position in [2:07:13, 2:07:20]: My interest rate was two and a quarter percent in Pittsburgh. It took me six months to sell because of the housing market being so different up there than it was down here. [2:07:21, 2:07:22]: I immediately [2:07:22, 2:07:26]: In December, when my household started looking for a new place down here. [2:07:26, 2:07:29]: Retained a real letter out of Noonan and began looking from Noonan to [2:07:30, 2:07:43]: To God knows where towards the ocean at this point because we couldn't get a house. Thirty lost bids later I was able to secure Chase Marion Way. I flew down, my furniture fit. [2:07:43, 2:07:47]: I wasn't going to lose my delta job. I took the house. [2:07:50, 2:07:52]: So we get the letters in the mail. [2:07:53, 2:08:01]: And for the annexing piece of this conversation, I have one question, which is really, I guess, directed towards [2:08:02, 2:08:06]: the people who want to do the development, but maybe you know the answer. [2:08:07, 2:08:12]: If you re-annex the land and you allow that re annexation. [2:08:13, 2:08:21]: Is the land deal a done deal for the existing owner, Miss Lin? Because I created a public post about this whole thing. [2:08:22, 2:08:27]: And Miss Lynn chimed in and she owns the property. It was her father's farm that has been butchered. [2:08:27, 2:08:33]: To make grandfather's farm, to make way for I seventy five and then subsequently Patrick Henry Parkway. [2:08:34, 2:08:39]: So all of that beautiful farmland is now highways and green space. [2:08:41, 2:08:51]: What's left of it, everyone else has passed and the girls need to sell the land. So I respect that and I understand that. We all do. [2:08:52, 2:08:57]: You can't afford to keep farmland and pay those types of property taxes if you don't have the means. [2:08:58, 2:09:07]: So my question is, is the land deal done where Miss Lynn's off the hook and the annexation would take place regardless of who owns the land? [2:09:07, 2:09:12]: Or is this deal contingent upon all three of these being passed? [2:09:13, 2:09:25]: Um, because I'm not for or against Stockbridge taking the property. I saw in the Henry County Master Plan that the future use of that was already stated as city. So to me it sounds like [2:09:26, 2:09:32]: Everyone that runs things has made up their own minds about the annexation, and the annexation's a done deal. [2:09:33, 2:09:38]: But annexation to Stockbridge would also mean an increase on the property taxes of that land. [2:09:39, 2:09:42]: Which would negative negatively impact Miss Lynn. [2:09:42, 2:09:44]: And her family [2:09:44, 2:09:48]: if the property taxes went up any further and this deal didn't go through. [2:09:50, 2:10:06]: So that would be why I'm speaking now. I'm not for or against Stockbridge taking that over. I understand it's part of the big picture, but does your annexation impact Miss Lynn and her tax bill if this deal doesn't go through? [2:10:06, 2:10:13]: Now I would like to be able to come back up and speak on the other two issues. Is that fair? Yeah. Thank you. [2:10:20, 2:10:20]: Yeah. [2:10:21, 2:10:22]: Opposition. [2:10:22, 2:10:26]: You took people up the floor with all opposition. [2:10:30, 2:10:31]: How are you doing this, even? [2:10:31, 2:10:35]: I'm Kenneth Kemple. I live at Fortin Chase Marion Way. [2:10:36, 2:10:56]: McDonald, Georgia. I've lived there for since 1995. And the biggest question I have is the traffic down. Patrick Henry. And then you got Holloway. You got the two schools, and we already got people cutting through there. You cannot get out of the neighborhood during school hours or after school hours. Even police are [2:10:56, 2:11:06]: cannot go through the neighborhood. With the m new traffic added, it's gonna make it more dangerous for fire amlets police. [2:11:10, 2:11:10]: Okay. [2:11:12, 2:11:14]: Oh I thought he was asking you a question. [2:11:16, 2:11:33]: Um trying to think of all the other stuff I was gonna say about it. Oh, and if we have a thunderstorm with Georgia Power is a communication Georgia Power down the road of Patrick Henry. It's not actually Georgia Power there. But a slight breeze will knock out [2:11:35, 2:11:42]: Chase Trail, Chase Marion Way. I mean the power goes off with just the slightest thunderstorm. [2:11:43, 2:11:47]: And they haven't fixed the power problem for ever since I lived there. [2:11:48, 2:11:49]: Yeah, I've been there for twenty years. [2:11:50, 2:11:53]: And that's about all I have to say. And thank you very much. [2:12:08, 2:12:28]: Hi, I'm Tasha Kempel. I live at 410 Chase Marion Way, McDonough, Georgia, three hundred two five three. I do not agree with the index in this for the city of Stockbridge. Um I moved here. That's my husband. Been here for sixteen and a half years. I love my home. I love that it's in Henry County. [2:12:28, 2:12:44]: I used to live in Stockbridge growing up. Um things changed, don't agree with a lot. Um, but there are some pros and there's some cons, of course. Um I was listening to the lady state that um [2:12:44, 2:12:47]: She was interested in that land. [2:12:47, 2:12:50]: To be put in the city of Stockbridge [2:12:51, 2:12:58]: But because of the land across the street is adjacent to City of Stockbridge, why does she like not put her? [2:12:58, 2:13:02]: rental property on that property, why does it have to be next to my neighborhood? [2:13:04, 2:13:07]: My husband retired from the Henry County Sheriff Department. [2:13:08, 2:13:17]: We have had so much crime in this neighborhood, it is unreal. Just like Miss Connie Snow has stated, it is true, I've witnessed it. [2:13:17, 2:13:20]: I'm two doors down from her house. [2:13:21, 2:13:29]: My husband's squat car, sitting in the driveway, had a criminal sit there and spray paint his car in orange spray paint. [2:13:29, 2:13:35]: What happened to that incident, I don't know. He was a juvenile. I have no clue. [2:13:35, 2:13:45]: My m my neighbor that's beside me over there, she had her mailbox sprayed and paint. We've had drive by shootings in this neighborhood. What is gonna protect us? [2:13:45, 2:13:52]: from another community like this to come and like is it gonna like increase in the crime? What's gonna go on? [2:13:52, 2:13:54]: That's my question. Like [2:13:55, 2:13:58]: I don't feel safe in my own neighborhood nowadays. [2:13:58, 2:13:59]: And [2:13:59, 2:14:03]: The fencing, what kind of fencing are they gonna put around this property? [2:14:04, 2:14:11]: Another thing is they have a pr retention pond that they're wanting to put on the back site that would be close to my house. [2:14:11, 2:14:14]: The hospital already has a retention pond. [2:14:14, 2:14:30]: So that's gonna be double the mosquitoes that are gonna attack my neighborhood where um I love going outside. I'm not I'm like I've got my outside like little fire pit, little lounge. I love it. The nature is beautiful. So y'all are gonna tear down these trees. [2:14:31, 2:14:32]: That's not right. [2:14:33, 2:14:42]: But anyways, I do not oppose of it being city of Sotbridge and I respectfully hope that you grant my wish that this does not happen. Thank you. [2:14:56, 2:15:13]: Good evening. My name is Rose Sweeton. I reside at nine six two Chase Trail, McDonough. And I must live in a different area'cause I live in a night I mean, I think I live in a safe area and now I'm kinda nervous. But um all I have to say is [2:15:15, 2:15:35]: I'm not too sure about what everything else except for a place is going right here. And I've lived there since I'm in the second phase. I've been there since nineteen ninety-six. So I call myself one of the oldies, been around there. I've raised my kids there. We played in I've gone in the woods with my kids back there, up and down the woods behind our house. [2:15:35, 2:15:55]: That followed along Patrick Henry Parkway. I wasn't opposed when they put the parkway back there because that gave more room for people to come during traffic time, which is really bad now. But only thing I'm saying is there's just not enough room back there to put more housing. You might see it on paper, and sometimes look good on the paper. [2:15:55, 2:16:10]: on paper. But when you put it into action, it's not so good. So I'm just saying I'm opposed because I just there's just you're just throwing more little ants back there. There's just not enough room to put all those people back there. [2:16:11, 2:16:17]: And I just this is sidebar. I just don't understand. I know growth is growth, but [2:16:17, 2:16:37]: We have seen so many places going up in Mc in McDonough. I mean, so many different apartments all over the place. Has anyone been up and down 75 on that traffic? It's a joke to my friends that live in Calweda County or other places. You know, my sister's like, I'm coming to [2:16:37, 2:16:42]: to see you Friday, but I'm coming, you know, like twelve o'clock to miss all your traffic. [2:16:42, 2:16:43]: But [2:16:43, 2:16:54]: I am opposed to putting the location there. Is it a nice location? Sure. I mean what they're speaking of, what they're wanting to do, yeah it looks really nice. Just not right there. [2:16:55, 2:16:55]: Thank you. [2:17:05, 2:17:07]: So you speaking? [2:17:09, 2:17:10]: Yeah. [2:17:10, 2:17:12]: Are you approaching the podium? Yes, sir. Go ahead. [2:17:14, 2:17:15]: Even everybody. [2:17:15, 2:17:18]: Wait till you get to the wait till you get to the podium, please. [2:17:20, 2:17:22]: Good evening, everybody. I'm I'm Mr. Johnson. [2:17:22, 2:17:29]: Chase Marinway being there roughly. Could you speak into the mic so we can all hear you? The mic is on your left hand side. [2:17:30, 2:17:36]: Twenty seven years and I concur with many things that was said about our concerns about our community. [2:17:38, 2:17:39]: I'm concerned. [2:17:42, 2:17:44]: about the congestion. At the same token [2:17:45, 2:17:47]: There's been many things mentioned about that particular street. [2:17:48, 2:17:51]: And the promises of what was supposed to have been coming over there. [2:17:52, 2:18:00]: Prior to what was built on Jonesboro Road with the Home Depot and all those shops. But because of people and persons in Eagles Landing, [2:18:01, 2:18:01]: Um [2:18:02, 2:18:05]: not making that pass, then all that money [2:18:06, 2:18:08]: Is on Jonesboro that would have been on Patrick Henry. [2:18:09, 2:18:10]: Oh. [2:18:10, 2:18:12]: was not allowed. [2:18:12, 2:18:13]: I do understand. [2:18:15, 2:18:21]: Growth and I do understand money, I do understand increase and looking looking longevity. [2:18:22, 2:18:23]: At the same token [2:18:24, 2:18:25]: Just like yell. [2:18:26, 2:18:27]: Getting close to a hundred, I'm right behind y'all. [2:18:28, 2:18:29]: I'm getting up there too. [2:18:30, 2:18:32]: And trying to think logically. [2:18:32, 2:18:35]: For the young folks behind us, our children and our grandchildren. [2:18:36, 2:18:37]: What would be the right thing? [2:18:39, 2:18:40]: Yes, that [2:18:40, 2:18:41]: Complex. [2:18:42, 2:18:43]: Looks familiar. [2:18:44, 2:18:47]: With some places I have seen in this country of North America. [2:18:47, 2:18:48]: Where they build a new [2:18:49, 2:18:50]: communities like that. [2:18:51, 2:18:55]: And it's good to hear there's more of a ranch style instead of a two, three story type function. [2:18:59, 2:19:02]: My neighbor, you mentioned about a wall. [2:19:02, 2:19:09]: And that that concerns me too. Would it be a wall? Would it be a solid wall? Would it be a fence? Would it would it would it uh cut the noise out? [2:19:10, 2:19:11]: Crime is gonna come. [2:19:13, 2:19:14]: Crime is going to come. [2:19:15, 2:19:19]: I reckon I heard recently about a uh a a bus. [2:19:19, 2:19:21]: We're getting many buses in Henry County. [2:19:22, 2:19:23]: So with that being said. [2:19:23, 2:19:24]: That's more traffic. [2:19:27, 2:19:28]: Where do we go from here? [2:19:28, 2:19:29]: I don't know. [2:19:30, 2:19:32]: How firm the board is on saying yep. [2:19:34, 2:19:35]: It's gonna it's gonna happen. [2:19:35, 2:19:38]: We we green light it and they're gonna start. [2:19:38, 2:19:40]: Tearing the trees down. [2:19:40, 2:19:41]: Come April next year. [2:19:42, 2:19:42]: I don't know. [2:19:44, 2:19:45]: But I stand in agreement with my [2:19:46, 2:19:47]: Fellow homeowners. [2:19:48, 2:19:50]: And being concerned about our community. [2:19:50, 2:19:52]: Just like you will be concerned about [2:19:53, 2:19:54]: Your back door at your home where you live. [2:19:57, 2:19:59]: How can we walk out of here tonight? [2:20:00, 2:20:02]: And a win on this side of [2:20:03, 2:20:03]: Yo counter. [2:20:05, 2:20:16]: And say that we went and stood and we said what needed to be said to convince you all to tell the builders and owners, we're gonna veto this, we're not gonna allow this to happen right now in this season. [2:20:17, 2:20:18]: Yes, I would like for that to happen. [2:20:19, 2:20:20]: Will it happen? [2:20:20, 2:20:21]: We shall soon find out. [2:20:23, 2:20:25]: Please do not allow my words. [2:20:25, 2:20:27]: For being in agreement with my [2:20:29, 2:20:30]: Fellow homeowners. [2:20:31, 2:20:32]: To go in vain. [2:20:33, 2:20:35]: As I stand before you all tonight. [2:20:36, 2:20:36]: Thank you for your time. [2:20:50, 2:20:52]: Hello, I'm Jody Messler. I live at [2:20:52, 2:21:12]: 320 Chase Marion Way. And I am opposed to this development. Um I've been living here for 28 years in the community. I actually was born in Stockbridge. So I've been here for a long time. Um [2:21:12, 2:21:13]: [8473.3, 8493.3]: We when like Kenny said, when the power goes off, we don't have power for at least an hour, sometimes a day. So if if they build this, it's gonna just the if we have a thunderstorm, we're not gonna have power. And I work at home. So that affects my income. Um one of the parents told me. [2:21:33, 2:21:52]: Me that I work with, he works at the hospital, he works in the ER. There's not enough beds in that hospital for to accommodate the people here. The hospitals are backed up for eight hours. If you want emergency care, you can't get it. [2:21:53, 2:21:58]: And the fence that they're talking about building in this community. [2:21:58, 2:21:59]: It's [2:22:00, 2:22:20]: It's gonna allow for dogs to come through and kids to come through and crime to come through. We we're gonna need something there if you could consider if they're gonna build something there to please leave some green space, leave some trees. Uh don't put that many houses that's h high to residential. Just if it's possible, build something else that's [2:22:20, 2:22:32]: At least more rural f and better for our community. Because we're really afraid for our s and we really would like better safety. [2:22:32, 2:22:40]: And rental properties tend to bring our property value down. And I would like to keep our property value up. [2:22:41, 2:22:47]: And of course we've heard about the traffic. My kids had to walk to the schools without sidewalks. [2:22:48, 2:23:01]: This is gonna bring more traffic and more fast people driving down the roads. Nobody the the police are never there stopping these really fast cars in our neighborhood. I walk my dog every day. [2:23:02, 2:23:20]: I have to just uh on no sidewalks and the cars are just really fast and I wish we could do something about that too. This is just gonna add to the the traffic, it's gonna add to pollution. There's gonna be a trash can, a tr a big trash [2:23:22, 2:23:26]: Dumpster right in front of my home. [2:23:27, 2:23:45]: And I'd and the the pond, the retention pond. There's gonna be no more trees and I love trees. I'm always walking and I'd I hate to see those trees cut down. Um these are just a lot of my concerns and I just I'm not aga I'm not for this development. [2:23:47, 2:23:48]: Chairman, time has elapsed. [2:23:57, 2:23:58]: Anyone else? [2:24:06, 2:24:07]: Okay. [2:24:09, 2:24:09]: Hello. [2:24:10, 2:24:12]: My name is Jacqueline Smalley. I live at two eight. [2:24:13, 2:24:14]: What's going on? [2:24:15, 2:24:16]: Okay. [2:24:16, 2:24:31]: Can you hear me now? I'm Jacqueline Smiley. I live at 218 Eagles Crest Court in Madonna, Georgia. This is my first time ever being in in any type of meeting like this, so forgive me if I don't seem so professional. But I would like to say that [2:24:32, 2:24:35]: I am considering I let me put it like this here. [2:24:35, 2:24:47]: I was raised in the projects. I come from the projects and low income housing. But back then we were decent. We didn't kill people. We didn't steal and rob. Today that's what we have. And [2:24:47, 2:24:54]: When she mentioned about um low income housing or people with financial needs. [2:24:54, 2:24:59]: They may have financial needs, but what other needs do they have? They don't wanna work. They may come and want us [2:25:00, 2:25:17]: break to take our cars, steal out with uh break into our homes, hurt our children. Um I'm really afraid of this new development coming into our neighborhood. It's been peaceful there. I've been there since 2001. Never had any problems like we're having now. And [2:25:17, 2:25:23]: I do believe that it's I know I don't believe, I know for sure that it's gonna be worse. [2:25:23, 2:25:24]: Um [2:25:24, 2:25:29]: when they if they bring this into our community. It's not a lot of space there already. [2:25:30, 2:25:37]: You can't even drive out of Hap Holloway Road and Patrick Henry Highway because it's so much traffic there. Are they gonna put up lights? [2:25:37, 2:25:47]: Tipper to allow us to start traveling so we won't be congested and taking us twenty minutes to get out of our own neighborhoods along with that just to go on to Patrionia Highway. [2:25:48, 2:25:50]: And also what about [2:25:51, 2:25:51]: Are we? [2:25:52, 2:25:53]: House. [2:25:53, 2:25:56]: Does a don't apartments decrease our house value? [2:25:56, 2:25:58]: We have put a lot in our houses. [2:26:00, 2:26:02]: Renovated them, upgraded them. [2:26:03, 2:26:04]: None of that would count. [2:26:04, 2:26:06]: If these apartments come. [2:26:07, 2:26:09]: And if it's true, I don't know. [2:26:09, 2:26:14]: But I'm told and when I'm research that apartments do bring down the value of our houses. [2:26:15, 2:26:19]: It wasn't easy for us to buy a house. We struggled. [2:26:21, 2:26:24]: And so we would like to maintain that and keep our neighborhoods safe. [2:26:25, 2:26:27]: Анестила промас де ви хал секері. [2:26:28, 2:26:30]: Were you promised that? [2:26:31, 2:26:36]: We have police zoom zoom uh ride up and down our streets watching us. [2:26:37, 2:26:43]: And this fence, I'm not familiar with this fence. I can't even talk about it. But I'm pretty sure if it's man made, it can be unmade. [2:26:45, 2:26:45]: So [2:26:46, 2:26:47]: That's all I have to say. [2:26:48, 2:26:52]: And I hope you consider what we all have said and our concerns. [2:26:52, 2:26:58]: And also I am a twenty four year retired military veteran, active duty, twenty four year. [2:26:59, 2:27:01]: Iraq, Kuwait. [2:27:02, 2:27:05]: I don't wanna have to have war in my own community. [2:27:06, 2:27:08]: Thank you. I want to thank you for your service. Thank you. [2:27:14, 2:27:15]: Anyone else? [2:27:29, 2:27:49]: Good evening. My name is Nicole Eva. I reside in eleven forty-seven Collins Court, McDonald, Georgia, thirty-twenty-five-three. I am sixteen years old, so I know that my opinion may not be as much of importance as the people around me. Um, but I would like to express my concerns. [2:27:49, 2:28:08]: And really urge everyone here to take in consideration everything that we have said. Um f over these past fifteen years, I have lived with change and I have invited it all, but seeing that [2:28:09, 2:28:24]: The experiences that everyone here has endured and also past makes me think of how worse it can get from the developments that may happen and that can come to pass. Um [2:28:25, 2:28:45]: As said, the hospitals, traffic, everything can worsen. And while I try to look at the pros and the positive things that may come from this project, giving people opportunities to live here, I also am pained to know that there has been people [2:28:45, 2:28:48]: who have been assaulted and also [2:28:48, 2:29:07]: stalks and it pains me to know that the people in my neighborhood are worried for so much stuff. And I just once again I know my opinion may not be as well versed or also not much of [2:29:10, 2:29:28]: put into consideration, I would like for a voice at least of a younger crowd of a younger generation to at least be able to put it forth and let you all come to terms that it doesn't only affect the people of older generations but also of mine as well. [2:29:29, 2:29:30]: Thank you. [2:29:31, 2:29:51]: Thank you. Well let me say your opinion does count. And uh I think uh what everyone has spoken to this evening is about you, but you who are the future of this country, this stockbridge, the city, the municipality, et cetera. So yeah, your opinion does count and I'd love to see more young people come out and uh express themselves [2:29:50, 2:29:57]: in terms of the development and the future of the community. So don't think that your opinion does not count. Thank you. [2:30:02, 2:30:03]: Anyone else? [2:30:11, 2:30:28]: Good evening everybody. My name is Harold Webster and um I'm also on Chase Marion Way. And I was actually looking at that property because I'm a real estate agent and I it it laid off market for a while and I didn't know who purchased it. So then I was curious to know who purchased it and I saw the little sign that was way down the street. [2:30:29, 2:30:30]: You couldn't see it, so [2:30:32, 2:30:45]: I was able to get the take a picture of it and, you know, just express what she was saying that that's not true that I'm not gonna say it's not true, but as a realtor we're having problems with, you know, any kind of inventory. [2:30:45, 2:30:52]: First time buyers are not able to buy because the inventory is not there and we're creating more like [2:30:53, 2:31:11]: renters, right? So there's a a subdivision behind us that they built a whole bunch of houses that's going for like$25,$2,600 a house, you know, but it's it's locking everybody else that's first time buyers out of the market. So I just wanted to put my two cents there. And that that area is so congested [2:31:11, 2:31:12]: Just getting out [2:31:13, 2:31:18]: of that uh off of Holloway on to Patrick Henry is a problem. [2:31:18, 2:31:28]: Um there I can imagine I was thinking about maybe putting one or two houses over there, but a hundred and thirty that's insane. Really, it's insane. I really can't [2:31:28, 2:31:39]: believe that they thought that they could put a hundred and thirty two anything over there'cause it's just a little parcel and then you got the little um reti I don't know what it is, a retirement home or whatever that is over there. But it's just not enough. [2:31:40, 2:31:41]: Space, I mean [2:31:42, 2:31:53]: And the wind blows, the electricity go out, you know, and all those problems that that that we're having, especially with the inventory, which is my concern as an agent, you know. So I just wanted to say that. Thank y'all for your time. [2:32:00, 2:32:01]: Anyone else? [2:32:04, 2:32:11]: That was all opposition. Is anybody uh support any support for it? We didn't get any problems. [2:32:13, 2:32:18]: Uh that closes the public comment. Uh where are we? [2:32:24, 2:32:32]: Yeah, I mean commissions, comments, questions, and ready for a vote? Yeah, I would say no to that. [2:32:32, 2:32:33]: Oh. [2:32:33, 2:32:36]: Yeah, may I have motion? [2:32:42, 2:32:53]: Mr Chairman, before you call for the vote on this annexation case, I just have a comment for uh the applicant. [2:32:55, 2:33:00]: Um, Miss Battle, you've been before this commission uh on numerous occasions and [2:33:02, 2:33:08]: Most of the times I've been able to support what you put forth and there have been a few times that I didn't. [2:33:09, 2:33:19]: But I wanted to commend you because each time that you've come before us you've always been on point with your presentations. [2:33:20, 2:33:24]: And you've always been informative. And I just want to thank you for that. [2:33:25, 2:33:28]: I have two comments though. Um [2:33:30, 2:33:33]: that I would like to put out. Um [2:33:34, 2:33:42]: The annexation is not a prerequisite, uh to the way I understand it, for you to develop this project. [2:33:44, 2:33:55]: Uh, you could very easily do that. Well, I don't know if it would be easy, but I believe you could accomplish your objectives with the property remaining in Henry County. [2:33:59, 2:34:02]: The second comment I have is [2:34:06, 2:34:16]: Stockbridge recently completed an intensive endeavor to do annexation and one of the main reasons that we [2:34:17, 2:34:23]: attempted that and accomplished that was to close up some of the doughnut holes in the city. [2:34:25, 2:34:30]: And it looks to me from my observation that this property [2:34:31, 2:34:40]: Is almost surrounded by unincorporated Henry County properties. So if we annexed it, then we would be [2:34:41, 2:34:57]: doing something contrary to what we just annexed to try to get rid of. The donut holes. So we would be creating another donut hole by annexing this property into the city. That's my opinion. [2:34:58, 2:34:58]: Mr. Chair. [2:35:00, 2:35:14]: Go ahead. I'm done. That's all I wanted to say. I'm our I'm right. On this side. Oh, I'm sorry. Uh I make a motion that we deny the annex fa annexification case uh AX twenty twenty three dash O three. [2:35:16, 2:35:18]: Mr. Stan Doom, so I second that motion. [2:35:19, 2:35:22]: Been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. [2:35:23, 2:35:26]: Aye. Those opposed? Nay. [2:35:27, 2:35:28]: We have [2:35:29, 2:35:36]: Three uh nay we would have three three ayes support and one nay. [2:35:37, 2:35:40]: No no, I mean I d I didn't support it. [2:35:40, 2:35:45]: The motion was to deny the annotation. So we have three eyes and one nay. [2:35:46, 2:35:49]: Yeah. Okay. That's what we make sure. Good cow. [2:35:51, 2:35:59]: All those in favor, let it be well, we already said let it be known by sign of eye. Those opposed, motion is carried. The application for annexation is denied. [2:36:00, 2:36:02]: Mr. Chairman, who who [2:36:03, 2:36:05]: Who is [2:36:06, 2:36:09]: Jaden Jaden made the uh initial motion. [2:36:09, 2:36:10]: So tonight. [2:36:10, 2:36:11]: To deny. [2:36:12, 2:36:13]: Thibodeau supported it. [2:36:15, 2:36:18]: Doom was seconded. And Doom was seconded. [2:36:20, 2:36:21]: And who was opposed? [2:36:22, 2:36:23]: Uh [2:36:29, 2:36:30]: You got it? [2:36:31, 2:36:35]: Plash on was nine with nay. [2:36:37, 2:36:38]: They don't stand up. [2:36:39, 2:36:41]: I voted no to the motion. [2:36:47, 2:36:50]: Do you catch that, Miss uh Okay. [2:36:50, 2:36:52]: So on the next on the next two uh [2:36:53, 2:36:55]: Chairman Abdullah all you have to do is read'em into [2:36:57, 2:36:57]: Yeah. [2:36:58, 2:37:00]: And make a motion. We don't have to have a hearing on'em. [2:37:02, 2:37:03]: No problem. [2:37:05, 2:37:25]: That would be item um 11 and 12. Comprehensive plan amendment CP 2023-3 to be located in Council District 5. Consideration of a request for a comprehensive plan amendment to assign future land use designation of high density residential to property at 77 and 87. [2:37:25, 2:37:45]: Holloway Road, which are frontage on Patrick Hendrick Parkway, located in unincorporated Henry County. If and after the parcels are annexed into the Stockbridge City Limit, the purpose of the request is to allow for a mixed residential development. The applicant is next Metro Acquisitions LLC Care of Battle Law PC. The property contains two parcels. [2:37:45, 2:37:55]: parcels as are listed below in land loss fifty of district six and fourteen point one six two acres plus or minus total total acres. [2:37:56, 2:38:00]: Seventy seven Holloway Road, parcel number zero five two. [2:38:00, 2:38:15]: Dash zero one zero two three thousand contains one point one six sixty plus or minus acres. Eighty seven Holloway Road parcel number zero five two zero one oh two four thousand contains thirteen point [2:38:17, 2:38:22]: twelve zero point twelve plus or minus acres to be sent by the community development staff. [2:38:23, 2:38:27]: The next item was rezoning case number RZ twenty twenty-three oh four. [2:38:28, 2:38:36]: To be located in Council District Five to request a r a request to assign the zoning district of PUD PUD Plan Unit Development. [2:38:37, 2:38:38]: The two [2:38:38, 2:38:44]: Parceled at seventy seven and eighty seven Holloway Road, which fronted John Park Patrick Henry Parkway. [2:38:44, 2:39:04]: Located in unincorporated Henry County. If and after the parcels are annexed into the city of Stockbridge, into Stockbridge City limits, the purpose of the request is to allow for a mixed residential development. The applicant is next Metro Acquisitions LLC, care of Battle Law PC. The property contains two parcels as listed below. [2:39:04, 2:39:20]: in land lot fifty of district six with fourteen point one sixty two plus or minus acres. 77 Holloway World, parcel number 05201023000, contain 1.160 plus or minus acres. [2:39:21, 2:39:41]: 87 Holloway Parkway Road contains which is 05201024000 contains 13.012 plus or minus acres to be presented by community development staff. Uh uh Chairman Abdullah Sure uh make a motion for each item. [2:39:41, 2:39:42]: [9584.2, 9590.2]: We have a motion for the respective items. Mr. Chairman, with respect to item number eleven. [2:39:50, 2:39:54]: The comprehensive plan amendment, I move that the it be denied. [2:39:55, 2:40:08]: I have a second. Jaden Williams, second. Been moved and second. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Hearing none, the ayes have it. The motion is d uh is denied. Applicant is denied. [2:40:08, 2:40:19]: Mr. Chairman, with respect to item number twelve, the rezoning case, RZ twenty twenty-three-04, I recommend a denial as well. [2:40:20, 2:40:32]: There's second. Second, Jaden Williams. It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed. Hearing none, the ayes have it. Application is denied. [2:40:40, 2:40:42]: That brings us to item thirteen. [2:40:50, 2:41:10]: Item 13, comprehensive plan amendment case number CP 202304, Council District 2. Consideration of a request for a comprehensive plan amendment to change the future land use designation of three parcels on Davidson Parkway and Walter Way, from low density vertical mixed use to high density residential to allow for. [2:41:09, 2:41:29]: Mixed residential development. The applicant is D. R. Horton, Atlanta East, represented by Tiffany D. Hogan. The property contains three parcels as are listed below in landlot 57 of District 12 with 79.16 plus or minus acres. [2:41:29, 2:41:49]: Parcel 03001 01009000 contains 73.859 plus or minus acres. Parcel 03001009595 contains 3.636 plus or minus acres. [2:41:49, 2:42:02]: Parcel number 0300110096 contains 1.369 plus or minus acres to be presented by the community staff develop by the community development staff. [2:42:05, 2:42:25]: Good evening. I'm Linda Logan, Senior Planner. Um, yes, we have advertised three parcels for this case. And so I'll show you the aerial photos of them. The largest one is shown in this photo. It's right next to I-75 where it joins with I-675. And we have adjacent to the east. [2:42:25, 2:42:32]: East on Walter Way, the existing North Bridge Crossing Subdivision. [2:42:32, 2:42:49]: uh shown here is a small parcel it's one of the smaller parcels also on Walter Way and then the third parcel is this one. This is in the curve of Davidson Parkway and in fact that would be uh the location of the main access to the development. [2:42:50, 2:42:52]: The applicant is D. R. Horton. [2:42:52, 2:42:54]: Um and [2:42:54, 2:42:57]: So it's about seventy eight acres altogether. [2:42:58, 2:43:03]: Most of it is vacant. There is a city owned lift station toward the south end of it. [2:43:03, 2:43:06]: This is in council district two. Um the [2:43:07, 2:43:27]: They've requested um rezoning from C3 to PUD, which we'll discuss more in the next case. Um we have Clayton County um just to the north of this, and then we have vacant land to the south. There is a creek on the property. We have the drive time, uh automobiles. [2:43:27, 2:43:30]: refurbishing business um [2:43:30, 2:43:31]: Down here to the [2:43:32, 2:43:34]: To the south end. Let's see. [2:43:35, 2:43:36]: Here it's right here. [2:43:38, 2:43:40]: Okay, and then [2:43:41, 2:43:42]: Um [2:43:44, 2:44:04]: I'll move down to here. So the applicant has requested to change the future land use designation of these parcels from low density vertical mixed use to high density residential to allow a mixed-use development. There would be 312 total units, of which there would be 184 single-family detached dwellings and 128 towns. [2:44:04, 2:44:13]: Townhomes. So they will need to recombine the three parcels during the land disturbance permit process later on. [2:44:14, 2:44:25]: Uh in doing the research uh on the property, there have been a lot of zoning cases to happen in the past. One was for the existing North Bridge Crossing Development. Um [2:44:25, 2:44:31]: Then uh some others um to the south, immediately to the south was the reefs creek one. [2:44:31, 2:44:34]: DRI that was actually the in the county. [2:44:34, 2:44:54]: Um but now has been annexed into the city. But anyway, uh as part of that development, this uh property was supposed to have been developed into different commercial uses, um uh office uses, big box retail, um hotels and so forth. And then uh there was gonna be [2:44:54, 2:45:12]: be a new roadway called Reeves Creek Parkway to go through it from Davidson Parkway all the way down to uh along the interstate and connecting to well Stevens Road and possibly even creating a new interchange um there at the at the highway at the interstate. [2:45:14, 2:45:20]: About two years ago we had another rezoning case for a proposed industrial development. The council denied that. [2:45:21, 2:45:21]: Um [2:45:22, 2:45:42]: saying it was incompatible with surrounding uses because of uh truck traffic. And now more recently, on July 10th of this year, just two months ago, uh City Council approved um uh major mixed-use residential development on the property again to the south um with thirteen hundred forty seven new houses [2:45:42, 2:45:45]: [9946.4, 9956.7]: Anyway, um so the low density vertical mix mixed use is the current land use designation. It did it does need a comprehensive plan amendment to high density residential. [2:45:57, 2:46:04]: Um that's the subject of this case. We had a study called Livable Centers Initiative LCI study. [2:46:05, 2:46:09]: Um and it showed let me get to the right. [2:46:10, 2:46:22]: Here, uh these circles show different an envision um of employment centers throughout the city and this one where the subject properties would have been I-75 activity center. [2:46:22, 2:46:42]: And it was envisioned to have uh here's uh this is what was envisioned, a big box retail in the red, and uh hotels, office uses, and so forth. And then this this is this is interstate down here, and this is Davidson Parkway. So that was envisioned for this area. Um that was just a study that [2:46:42, 2:46:43]: That was done. [2:46:45, 2:47:05]: So uh there would be a HOA uh established here. Um the site plan. I mentioned the main access. Um let's here's the site plan. So off Davidson Parkway, you would have some townhomes in this area here off Davidson Parkway. That would be the main entrance. [2:47:05, 2:47:12]: And then a secondary access off Walter Way. There would be a few single-family detached homes there, about 15 of them. [2:47:13, 2:47:17]: But most of'em would be all of these in the uh gold color. [2:47:18, 2:47:23]: And then you have the creek um adjacent and they would have uh wetlands and buffers and so forth. [2:47:24, 2:47:26]: Yes, an enlargement of the site plan. [2:47:27, 2:47:28]: Um [2:47:29, 2:47:32]: So anyway, some of this we've discussed we um [2:47:32, 2:47:36]: incompatible with the rezoning zoning, which is why they need to uh rezone [2:47:37, 2:47:37]: Um [2:47:38, 2:47:43]: incompatible with the sort the town homes that they propose would be incompatible with the existing uses. [2:47:44, 2:47:46]: And it would be incompatible with [2:47:47, 2:47:52]: These uh other plans that I mentioned, L CI study and a comprehensive plan which encourages [2:47:52, 2:47:53]: Commercial nodes. [2:47:54, 2:47:55]: uh throughout the city. [2:47:56, 2:48:03]: They feel this would be an ideal location uh for commercial center, incompatible with um these other um [2:48:05, 2:48:07]: past rezonings that I mentioned before. [2:48:08, 2:48:09]: Um [2:48:09, 2:48:13]: And we feel that this would not be um the best use of the property. [2:48:14, 2:48:15]: Um [2:48:15, 2:48:25]: uh again we feel that commercial be due to properties location would would be the best thing and it would be a lost opportunity not to use it um in that way. [2:48:27, 2:48:41]: So we recommend denial of the case. Um if you choose to approve though, approval should be only if rezoning case is also approved. And of course um the three parcels would have to be combined later. [2:48:45, 2:48:48]: Do you have the applicant here? Sorry? Is the applicant here? [2:49:01, 2:49:16]: Do you have your own presentation? I do. Can I unplug it or you can leave it out here? Uh uh, okay, let's see. Let me uh first close this. Can um Okay, there's really only one place to put this in here. Let's see. [2:49:17, 2:49:17]: Checked it. [2:49:18, 2:49:22]: Oh, it's currently in use. Uh you're probably still open. Oh [2:49:22, 2:49:23]: Yeah, yeah. [2:49:25, 2:49:26]: Here, let's just close all of these. [2:49:27, 2:49:29]: I close all of these. [2:49:31, 2:49:33]: Okay, now let's try this again. [2:49:34, 2:49:36]: Okay, here we go. [2:49:40, 2:49:43]: Oh why th this acted funny here. [2:49:45, 2:49:47]: Oh, we got two of these open. [2:49:50, 2:49:51]: Worry, my computer looks worse. [2:49:52, 2:49:55]: No, it does happen in the office too. Keep keep trying this. [2:49:56, 2:50:12]: It's small. I don't think it's gonna fit, it's very small. We can't touch those as part of the computer. [2:50:14, 2:50:15]: Oh [2:50:16, 2:50:19]: This happened before at the office. Close this ridiculous. [2:50:20, 2:50:28]: Huh? How do we do that? Oh every everything. Okay. Now reopen. No. [2:50:31, 2:50:34]: You can't just reopen this? No. [2:50:35, 2:50:36]: So the USB. [2:50:36, 2:50:37]: This one? Yeah. [2:50:41, 2:50:41]: Still. [2:50:43, 2:50:45]: We're trying to remove the [2:50:46, 2:50:46]: Mm-hmm. [2:50:50, 2:50:51]: Mm-hmm. [2:51:23, 2:51:25]: Good evening, Chairman and Commissioners. Thank you so much. [2:51:26, 2:51:32]: Tiffany Hogan on behalf of DR Horton, thirteen seventy one Dogwood Drive, Conyers, Georgia. [2:51:32, 2:51:45]: I am here tonight to present to you on North Bridge Crossing Phase Two. First we are taking up the uh comprehensive land map amendment application. [2:51:47, 2:52:07]: So this is the largest parcel as staff has pointed out to you. I wanted to have this one so that we could see a good location of where the property is located. This is the current North Bridge Phase One development, which is an established community in the city of Stockbridge. [2:52:07, 2:52:27]: Amenity area is actually right here, directly across what would be from what would be one of our access points into phase two. It was always originally contemplated that there would be a phase two of this community, and as things changed with the economy and so forth. [2:52:27, 2:52:40]: uh staff has given you the history of the rezonings once that original developer was not able to complete that phase two. Because of that, actually let me go back one slide to show you. [2:52:44, 2:53:04]: Right here on the front of our property, there are actually already existing homes that were built as a part of phase one of North Bridge Crossing. So these gray boxes that are along the frontage here on Walter Way are existing homes that were built as a part of [2:53:04, 2:53:05]: Of the phase one community. [2:53:07, 2:53:14]: We are seeking a comprehensive plan amendment from low density vertical mixed use to high density residential. [2:53:16, 2:53:36]: This is a map of your current future land use that surrounds the property. The orange is already high density residential, which is again that phase one property. Also, the beige area here is also a residential use. So the uh kind of salmon pink area is our subject property right now. [2:53:36, 2:53:44]: And it wrapped around the residential and was for a vertical low density mixed use. [2:53:46, 2:54:06]: Our current site plan proposes 3.95 units per acre over 79.02 acres. And that is a pretty low density considering there are townhomes on part of the property as well. We have 33.63 acres of open space that we're leaving, or 42.6%. The requirement is 20%. [2:54:06, 2:54:18]: 20% for the rezoning that we are seeking. There are 312 total units. Of those, 128 are townhome lots and 184 single-family detached lots. [2:54:18, 2:54:25]: In your density, um, you currently have low density in the city that's one point two five to two units per acre. [2:54:25, 2:54:45]: Medium density is 2.3, 2 to 3.6 units per acre, and high density, uh, there's a gap, and it starts at 6 to 16 units per acre. So again, keep in mind that we are proposing a plan that shows 3.95 units per acre currently. But because there is that gap there, it bumps us up to how [2:54:45, 2:55:05]: To apply for high density residential. And I did want to point that out because typically, when you're thinking high density, you're thinking more units per acre and a far more dense use, high-intensity use. And for purposes of not muddy muddying the two applications, I will stop there. [2:55:05, 2:55:11]: and then proceed with the zoning portion of my presentation after uh discussion on this one. [2:55:13, 2:55:14]: Thank you. [2:55:43, 2:55:44]: Open for public comment. [2:55:49, 2:55:53]: Those who support, those who oppose. Are you supporting or opposing? [2:55:57, 2:56:10]: I guess I'm a little confused because it's sounds like there's two phases to this. Um a phase one and a phase two, not so much as the building, but I guess one is approved and the other is not. You feel like you have to be a reform, right? How do you approach the podium? [2:56:14, 2:56:16]: But with your name and address. [2:56:16, 2:56:20]: Hi, I'm Lashonda Green and my address is two seven one Addy Lane. I live in North Bridge Crossing. [2:56:22, 2:56:26]: Okay. So my qu I guess question is for the um [2:56:28, 2:56:37]: rezoning, I was under the impression that this meeting today was simply to get approval or denial to rezone from commercial to residential. [2:56:41, 2:56:54]: Um if that's the case, then I am in support of being residential. However, based on the plans that was presented tonight, I'm definitely concerned about how many homes will be placed in this neighborhood in the area. [2:56:57, 2:56:58]: We can tell you the total number. [2:56:58, 2:57:01]: I saw it was like three hundred and thirty two. [2:57:02, 2:57:02]: Thank you. [2:57:03, 2:57:05]: May I approach it. [2:57:12, 2:57:32]: It is three hundred and twelve total units um over seventy-nine acres. And if I think this is the only young lady here, there were two other people that came to our community meeting that were here earlier, but they had to leave because it got so late. Um so if the commissioners would like for me to go ahead and present the entire presentation, I would [2:57:32, 2:57:44]: would do that. I just didn't want to confuse the two applications. So if you would like additional information, since this young lady does have some questions that would be answered in that part, I could go ahead and do that. [2:57:45, 2:57:45]: Okay. [2:58:13, 2:58:16]: Okay, so picking up where we left off. [2:58:34, 2:58:54]: In addition to the comprehensive plan amendment, we are seeking a rezoning from C3 heavy commercial to a planned unit development. As you heard from staff, this property has a uh quite extensive history of rezonings. Most of those rezonings did uh get that rezoned to some sort of commercial. [2:58:54, 2:59:14]: Commercial use. And the last one that was successful with doing that was in the early 2000s, 2010, I believe it was. And there has been no interest since that time in actually developing the project as such. The last rezoning was a proposal to get it to an industrial use, which was [2:59:13, 2:59:25]: denied by this council. So oh uh nearly 15 years now since the last rezoning to a commercial use and there has been no interest in actually developing this project as such. [2:59:26, 2:59:46]: This is some site data information for you. Again, 79.02 acres. We've already covered that. We are leaving 42.6% open space or 33 acres. The requirement for your PUD zoning for open space is 20%. There are no requirements with a PUD for setbacks. [2:59:46, 3:00:06]: But we are offering setbacks of 20 feet, a side setback of five feet, and rear setback of 20 feet. Corner side setback would also be 50 feet. The townhome units that we are proposing for the development would be 24-foot wide townhomes. Those would be two car garage units. The homes [3:00:06, 3:00:26]: That are proposed for the development would be 50-foot lots, and the homes would be two-car garages as well with three to five bedrooms per home. It would also be a mixture of ranch product as well or single-story as well as two-story product within the development. There are an additional nine. [3:00:26, 3:00:46]: 91 guest parking spaces that would be dispersed throughout the community. And I will show you where those are in just one second. We have those dispersed throughout the townhome section as well as the single family detach section to give additional parking for each one of those areas so that no one has to walk too far. We are at [3:00:46, 3:01:06]: Exceeding the parking space requirements for the community. So again, you have an entrance here off of Walter Way, which is pretty much across from where their existing amenity area is. When you come into this entrance, it's a nicely landscaped boulevard entrance. There are a few homes on each side of that to continue the [3:01:05, 3:01:25]: Homes that were already put there in phase one. One of the young ladies that was here earlier actually lives in this home. She did come to our community meeting a couple of weeks ago and express um whether the homes would be too close to her home. So her house was built with a five-foot setback, and what we explained. [3:01:25, 3:01:30]: to her is that we are proposing a twenty foot setback and these homes would be the rear. [3:01:30, 3:01:50]: That's against her side. So approximately 25 foot setback, um, maintaining as much of the tree coverage as we could there. And we also offered to replant some evergreens if some of those trees do have to come out in the development phase, so that there is a evergreen buffer between her home and the next home. And she was [3:01:50, 3:02:10]: Happy with that. This property does have a creek that runs the entirety of the property. It actually runs off of it a bit. And we do suspect that that is one of the reasons that no commercial developer has actually been able to proceed with the project because of the issues with topography that are created as well as the buffers. [3:02:09, 3:02:29]: It just does not make a great commercial site for their development standards once they really get in there and dig into it. Once you come into the community, the main amenity area is located here: swimming pool, playground, pickleball, and tennis courts, as well as some other open area there. There will also be a covered mail kit. [3:02:29, 3:02:49]: kiosk in that section. There will be another male kiosk over here for the townhome units. And some of those guest parking spaces that I was talking about will be located here as well as some that are here. And then there is another set of guest parking spaces that are here as well. So again dispersed throughout the community. In addition to [3:02:49, 3:03:09]: The main amenity area. There's also open space area that will remain here. Again, we cannot touch those stream buffers by federal and state law. There's a nice 25-foot buffer around the entire property, and there are other open space pocket park areas, which is the green that you see, like between the stormwater. [3:03:09, 3:03:15]: water and the parking here, uh as well as some more park uh pocket park areas there as well. [3:03:17, 3:03:26]: North Bridge Crossing Phase Two would provide a mixture of new housing options that are consistent with the original plan for the site to be residential and North Bridge Crossing Phase One. [3:03:26, 3:03:46]: It will help to maintain a family-friendly environment in that area. We are proposing a connection between Reeves Creek mixed-use development that was approved and the community of potential users that would move into North Bridge Phase Two. That is still under some investigation because that topography that I mentioned, there is a [3:03:46, 3:04:03]: very steep drop-off over on the side where it connects to Reeves Creek. That's approximately 50 feet is what they have estimated without actually getting in there, which of course makes that difficult and require some type of bridge and stream crossing. So we're still continuing to investigate that. [3:04:03, 3:04:08]: Uh there has been no interest again in years for the existing site as a commercial development. [3:04:09, 3:04:28]: This development would not add any additional heavy truck traffic for the existing residents. One of the things that we heard at the community meeting was that they can hear those trucks coming through constantly for that drive time that's located in the front of their property, and they're not interested in any additional heavy truck traffic coming through there. [3:04:28, 3:04:44]: And again, the topographic concerns for the commercial development. This is a typical lot layout for the townhouse lots, just to give you an idea from the road with the setbacks, where the units would actually sit on the property and the separation between the units as well. [3:04:44, 3:05:04]: And then we have our typical lot layout here for the detached units. Again, same situation, showing you the road and the right-of-way, the setbacks, and where the units themselves would actually sit. There are five-foot sidewalks proposed for internal both sides of the street. We would also have sidewalks on the frontage of all of the property that we allow. [3:05:04, 3:05:06]: um own along the way. [3:05:06, 3:05:26]: This is the City of Stockbridge zoning map. The brown is the current residential use that is in the area. And again, pointing out that these houses were built in phase one. So they are there and pull over into the site that is currently zoned as a commercial site that we are seeking to rezone as residential to match with. [3:05:26, 3:05:27]: There already. [3:05:29, 3:05:49]: 312 new homes, 128 of those are 24-foot town homes, 184 single-family detached, all two car garages. There would be an option for the end unit of the townhome buildings for one of those to be a four-bedroom unit. All of the others have to be three bedroom units. There will be a mandatory homeowners association. [3:05:49, 3:05:57]: And then we would have the swimming pool, clubhouse, multiple open spaces, the multi use paths, and a playground. [3:05:58, 3:06:18]: This is just some information about some things that DR Horton does to ensure that our projects that are for sale that we're taking care of those folks that are our local hometown heroes. So we offer an incentive program for military, law enforcement, firefighters, healthcare professionals, educators. All they have to do is show their ID and there is an automatic incentive. [3:06:18, 3:06:38]: This is the current incentive is$1,000 towards their closing costs to help offset some of that. DR Horton also, in the current crisis that we are in, has a special program currently to buy down interest rates to 4.99% for our homeowners. So we do all of that stuff to remain dedicated to making homeownership a time. [3:06:38, 3:06:41]: for folks even in a tough market like this. [3:06:41, 3:06:59]: One thing that people also don't know is we actually have a home buyers club, which is basically a free credit improvement home buyer preparedness program. Even if you don't buy a DR Horton home, you can actually participate in this program and it's free of charge. We want to make sure that people are able to purchase homes and stay in those homes for a long time. [3:07:01, 3:07:08]: And with that, I will yield to any questions that anyone has for me. Thank you. [3:07:10, 3:07:10]: Yeah. [3:07:11, 3:07:11]: No more. [3:07:13, 3:07:33]: You have an HOA. Yes, sir. It's mandatory. Yeah. Uh what I've heard since I've been on on this on this board is that uh you end up having rental units in these places. And most homeowners do not want that because not only does it uh decrease [3:07:33, 3:07:46]: decrease the value of their property, but uh they suffer some social consequences of of rentals, you know. And uh what margin have you established for renting? [3:07:47, 3:07:59]: Uh staff did not propose a condition for a rental cap, but we are open to that. Uh typically what's suggested is a ten percent rental cap and we could definitely put that into the governing documents. [3:08:00, 3:08:01]: Okay. [3:08:06, 3:08:10]: All right, we're open for public comment. You wanna approach the podium again? [3:08:15, 3:08:18]: Pardon me? Do I say my name and address again? Yep. [3:08:19, 3:08:26]: Um Lashonda Green. Um address is two seven one at E Lane, Stockbridge, Georgia, three oh two eight one. And I am um [3:08:26, 3:08:28]: Homeowner in North Bridge Crossing. Um [3:08:29, 3:08:38]: So I guess I would say I'm for the rezoning from that commercial'cause I do live on Addy Lane literally across the street from drive drive time. [3:08:38, 3:08:48]: And just last week my son was skateboarding and was hit by a car that was owned by drive time as he was they're driving through there. They drive through there really fast. They're trying to get to work, go to lunch, whatever. [3:08:49, 3:09:09]: Um so that does impact us as homeowners in that neighborhood. Now, as to the proposal for the subdivision, I don't know if that's addressed here or not. I do have a couple of questions. Do I address her or you? To me. Okay. So one question would be: being that you're adding another 322 homes, there's currently already a mandatory HOS. [3:09:09, 3:09:21]: Is that HOA going to be separate and it's going to be now separate amenities or is it going to be conjoined amenities? The other question would be as far as the HOA again with the rental cap. [3:09:21, 3:09:23]: Is this h separate? [3:09:23, 3:09:25]: From the current North Bridge crossing. [3:09:26, 3:09:26]: And [3:09:27, 3:09:38]: Is there no possibilities that we eliminate having so many town homes? Although and let me say I'm a realtor, so I'm a big fan of development and um bringing in home and home ownership. [3:09:38, 3:09:51]: However, I found that a lot of town putting in too many homes in one specific area just creates an enormous amount of traffic. And where we are, there's even with you putting a new um entrance. [3:09:52, 3:09:57]: to come out it's such a short drive to get to that four way stop sign will cause a lot of congestion. [3:10:00, 3:10:02]: Do you address her concerns, please? Yes, sir. [3:10:07, 3:10:14]: So our internal HOA manager has researched and it's our understanding that because the property was rezoned so many times. [3:10:14, 3:10:34]: And at some point during the recession, it was separated from phase one. So the HOAs will be separate because your governing documents now only apply to phase one. So it would be a separate HOA for phase two. We do have a traffic impact study that is in progress. [3:10:34, 3:10:54]: And I'm sorry that it wasn't ready for tonight, but we have been told that we will have the report next week from the traffic engineers. Uh one thing that I did not point out that would help with the traffic is we do have D sell lanes at both of those entrances off of Walter Windows and Davidson Parkway. And of course, any of the other mitigation. [3:10:54, 3:11:11]: recommendations that are contained in that traffic impact study. We would provide a copy of the report to staff as well as to council for review. And we would take those mitigation recommendations into consideration and likely take care of all of them that are in there. [3:11:15, 3:11:16]: That answered? [3:11:16, 3:11:18]: I think so. Okay. Okay. [3:11:22, 3:11:27]: Well that closes the public comment portion of uh meeting and uh [3:11:29, 3:11:31]: Look to the commission for a vote. [3:11:32, 3:11:33]: Motion [3:11:34, 3:11:48]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchet and I'd like to make a motion we accept staff's recommendation and deny this change to the comprehensive land use plan. Mr. Chair, this is Jaden Williams. I second that motion. [3:11:49, 3:11:56]: It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed, ayes have it. The application is denied. [3:11:58, 3:12:03]: Okay, I think that kinda closes off uh this evening. [3:12:03, 3:12:06]: We have project updates. [3:12:06, 3:12:18]: Still have a rezoning. Pardon me? I think she did both of them together. No, we gotta vote separate. Oh, okay. All right. Let's have uh motion on the item fourteen. [3:12:20, 3:12:28]: Mr. Chair, I make a motion that we uh deny motion a number fourteen for the rezoning case uh RZ twenty twenty-three dash oh five. [3:12:29, 3:12:36]: Staying doom is I will second that motion. It's been moved and second. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? [3:12:37, 3:12:42]: I have it the rezoning application is denied. [3:12:44, 3:12:45]: Okay. [3:12:47, 3:12:48]: Good. [3:12:48, 3:12:49]: Please. [3:12:49, 3:12:50]: Pardon me? [3:12:52, 3:12:54]: You just voted on the rezoning? [3:12:55, 3:12:58]: We voted on the comprehensive amendment. Right. [3:12:58, 3:13:01]: And then we voted on the um rezoning. [3:13:02, 3:13:06]: Okay. Would you repeat um who made the motions? [3:13:07, 3:13:07]: On the rezoning? [3:13:08, 3:13:11]: Jalen made the motion and Dumas seconded correctly [3:13:16, 3:13:17]: Okay. [3:13:27, 3:13:28]: That moves us to item fifteen. [3:13:31, 3:13:33]: Community development. [3:13:36, 3:13:56]: Uh no, we don't have a report, but um we will be scheduling uh um a special call meeting in a couple of weeks uh to go over to go over some training. Okay with the uh planning commission and I think it will be mana it will be mandatory. Um so we'll be sending out some dates for you guys to decide. [3:13:56, 3:14:02]: decide which will be best for you. So um look for that email so [3:14:02, 3:14:07]: All right. That moves us to sixteen. Staff comments. [3:14:09, 3:14:10]: No comments. [3:14:12, 3:14:14]: Seventeen board comments. [3:14:17, 3:14:18]: No come. [3:14:20, 3:14:21]: Motion to adjourn. [3:14:22, 3:14:26]: Mr. Chairman, this is Stan Dumas. I move that this meeting be adjoined. [3:14:28, 3:14:30]: I second it, Harold. [3:14:31, 3:14:39]: Been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed, ayes have it. The meeting is adjourned. [3:14:40, 3:14:42]: Oh sick. [3:14:46, 3:14:47]: Pardon me? [3:14:53, 3:14:57]: Well a couple of reasons. It may not meet the comprehensive plan. [3:14:57, 3:15:07]: Okay, and we're not the final arbiters of this. City Council will make the final determination. This is just our recommendation to the city council. Okay? [3:15:17, 3:15:18]: Yeah. [3:15:19, 3:15:25]: You got the game on your phone, we'll need to blow that score. Shit. I see you got the game on.

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2023-09-26 source: 2023-09-26_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:01:20, 0:01:22]: All right, ladies and gentlemen. I have uh [0:01:23, 0:01:33]: Six oh two, it is Tuesday, September twenty-sixth for a council work session. I'd like to call it to order. And on that note, um Councilman Blount, could you please give him the invocation? [0:01:35, 0:01:35]: I'm sorry. [0:01:36, 0:01:38]: Call the I call the order. Invocation. [0:01:39, 0:01:43]: Ro roll call comes after invocate. Roll call comes after play, sir. Okay, invocate. Please stand if you can. [0:01:49, 0:01:50]: Well no. [0:01:51, 0:01:55]: Dear Heavenly Gracious Father, we come to you first, thank you for your grace and we thank you for your mercy. [0:01:56, 0:02:08]: We ask now that you would come upon our midst, Heavenly Father, and that you would guide us and lead our hearts and our minds. Give us the wisdom that you would give to the disciples, Heavenly Father, and that you've given to the prophets to move in your will and that your will be done. [0:02:08, 0:02:23]: We thank you, God, for all that you're doing in this season, in this section, Heavenly Father, and in our lives. We as you continue to cover this great city that we call Stockbridge, Georgia. That you would cover the leaders, that you would cover those that are on staff in Heavenly Father, those that would come and volunteer and work. [0:02:23, 0:02:33]: Continue to protect us right now, Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus, from those things that will come against us, Heavenly Father, those sicknesses that are trying to rise up and those illnesses that will come against us. [0:02:33, 0:02:35]: We thank you for all that you do. [0:02:35, 0:02:38]: We just trust you in all things, heaven, father. It's in Jesus' name we pray. [0:02:39, 0:02:52]: Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:02:53, 0:02:55]: Madam Clerk Rocal, please. [0:02:57, 0:02:59]: Mayor Ford. Present. [0:02:59, 0:03:14]: Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. Present. Councilman Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:03:17, 0:03:24]: Mayor. Yes ma'am. I move that we amend the agenda to include um uh [0:03:24, 0:03:31]: a portion uh uh uh to include clarification on a motion for reconsideration. [0:03:31, 0:03:45]: Is there a second to that and that motion to be amended to the agenda? Second. Mr. Alexander, second that. All flavor, please indicate. Okay, all posed. Abstain? [0:03:46, 0:03:51]: Okay, so I have three four abstention. Miss Barber, you w what we should vote? [0:03:54, 0:03:56]: I approve the amendment. I'm sorry? [0:03:57, 0:04:13]: I approve that. Okay, so it's full so it's four four zero one. Four zero one. And to do that, we'll put that at uh item number eight. We'll have that at item number eight, which will come after the presentation by Mr. K Kimmelant. [0:04:17, 0:04:23]: Okay. On that note, uh now I need a motion to adopt the entire agenda, please. [0:04:24, 0:04:25]: Uh Mr Blount, is there a second? [0:04:26, 0:04:28]: My second. Okay, Miss Scandi. All favor please indicate. [0:04:29, 0:04:49]: All right, fantastic. It's a unanimous decision. On that note, Council, please review the draft minutes from the retreat. The minutes of August 10th of 23, August 11th to 23. Um, also the draft minutes from August 14th to 23, and then August 29th. There's draft minutes over council work session on August [0:04:49, 0:04:50]: was twenty ninth as well. [0:04:51, 0:04:58]: Uh Madam Clerk, uh any uh public comments at all? There are no public comments, Mayor. Okay, thank you. [0:04:58, 0:05:01]: And for new business. [0:05:02, 0:05:20]: Council consideration to approve task order number forty-four with Carter and Sloop. Watershed monitoring and reporting twenty twenty-four to twenty twenty-six monitoring monitoring years in the amount of seven uh seven thousand four hundred dollars, seventy thousand four hundred dollars, funding source, sewer budget. [0:05:21, 0:05:24]: Okay, and it's Mr. Aaron and Mr. Brad Holzinger. [0:05:25, 0:05:25]: Thank you. [0:05:26, 0:05:46]: Uh yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. The city's MPDS permit requires us to do perform watershed monitoring of the stream that we're discharging into. And so this is a task order to complete that as that assessment and monitoring is paid out of the uh sewer department budget. Each year we budget for the [0:05:46, 0:05:47]: Watersea monitoring. [0:05:48, 0:05:56]: And so we're asking council to approve this but these budgeted funds for the watershed monitoring. Okay, council, any question for Mr. Aaron? [0:05:58, 0:06:18]: And if not any motion to accept this uh proposal. Mr. Blount. I second. From Mr. Blount and Ms. Gantt on favor, please indicate this unanimous decision. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, if you permit me, can I make a request that if there's time after this meeting, we can look at what trees count [0:06:18, 0:06:28]: Council wants removed from City Hall that was discussed at the retreat so that we're on the on the correct path and everybody has the same idea as to what trees will be removed from City Hall. [0:06:29, 0:06:31]: You gotta look right out the window now. [0:06:31, 0:06:38]: Well, I mean, I wish you had did that earlier. So you're asking for us to to amend the gender to talk about this. I w No? [0:06:38, 0:06:50]: I just want clarification and clarity on what trees council wants removed. Y it was mentioned at the budget retreat that we were going to remove. Right, it's it right. I got ya. What's your point of order? [0:06:51, 0:06:52]: What's bonur? [0:06:53, 0:07:04]: I believe what Mr. Aaron is speaking of is not on our agenda. If you want that to add that discussion, then we need to amend the agenda to add that discussion. [0:07:04, 0:07:22]: Right. So so w and I w that's why I was wondering initially, but um it's probably need to have something maybe I don't know if we need to talk about it right now or whether or not uh you need to have some discussion with folks uh offline and through email in reference to getting a guest. I thought I saw email about that originally. Okay? Yes, yes, sir. [0:07:25, 0:07:30]: This isn't on the agenda but we got an email from Mr Aaron. Right. Asking [0:07:30, 0:07:32]: Mayor Ford, point of order. [0:07:32, 0:07:34]: Yes, your porter owner. What's your porter owner? [0:07:35, 0:07:36]: This item [0:07:37, 0:07:42]: That mister Aaron and Councilman Blount wants to discuss is not on the agenda. [0:07:42, 0:07:50]: Can we vote to amend the agenda to add a discussion of what Mr. Aaron wants to present to us? Mayor, I'd like to amend the agenda. Okay. [0:07:50, 0:07:55]: to continue this discussion about clarity. Clarity. [0:07:57, 0:07:58]: Is there a second motion? [0:08:00, 0:08:02]: Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [0:08:03, 0:08:06]: All right, fantastic. Now it's just now while what [0:08:06, 0:08:20]: What what one second, sir. So now that we've done that, since you're already here, all right, so we'll put that right now. This and so this goes actually before the next item, which was going to be by Mr. Wiggins. Uh so we'll we'll talk about it now since you're here, Mr. Aaron. All right. So [0:08:21, 0:08:32]: Go right ahead with your your comments and then we'll have discussion. I just no need to know which trees that council wants removed because once they're removed we can't plant them back. These are mature trees, so [0:08:33, 0:08:41]: I just wanna be clear on that. So if you don't come in here one day and all of that looks different around City Hall, somebody's saying, Well, what happened? So [0:08:42, 0:09:02]: All right, Mr Mr. Blount, I guess you wanted to speak on this. Mr. You sent us something um at one time showing almost an aerial view of of the areas of trees. I I would like to see that I'm I'm fine with whatever this council decides to do, but I would like to see what we're removing. [0:09:02, 0:09:04]: And and reason and why. [0:09:04, 0:09:24]: So Mr. Blount. Okay. All right. Go ahead. Blount me sounds. Yeah, I actually sent you that picture and that picture was actually from uh twenty eighteen. It was an aerial shot. It just looked like there's just a b uh a forest over there. And um I sent you an additional picture of [0:09:24, 0:09:44]: When City Hall closer to uh maybe 20 uh 12, 2013, where that area was where there was very few trees in the area. And the discussion was those trees were planted there at a time when there was term political turmoil to [0:09:44, 0:10:04]: Hide the flower shop. That was their only purpose. And that's why it looks like it looks with all of those trees over there. It wouldn't and just think about it. How many times have you seen a flag area with trees? You don't put trees in the flag area. The flag area is the show place where the flag or the tall. [0:10:04, 0:10:16]: [616.9, 636.9]: So the uh the the my uh my thought was we would go back to the original plan where there wasn't any political influence where those w all of those wintergreen trees were planted to hide the flower shop and then to hide a political sign. That was the reason that they were planted from from what I understand. Yes, sir. [0:10:36, 0:10:56]: you know well then just to keep it clean is this council okay with mr uh since the director been given and we know that trees in certain areas in a certain area that something can be sent to us similar to what mr alexander sent to a showing area and then the senses director we get a consensus yeah yeah that's what we're talking [0:10:56, 0:11:16]: Yeah, we're okay with it because I just need something in writing staff before you all move to have a full understanding from all of us to you on when you move remove the trees, they're gone. So if the council, my colleagues, the members to that, if you send us the air review, circle where you're gonna remove it. [0:11:16, 0:11:26]: the tree and we say and we can just home in on the email because it doesn't need to be voted on. It's already been a directive that's already been been been uh sustained to I'll send that tomorrow. [0:11:27, 0:11:29]: Is that that that's fine with the counts? [0:11:29, 0:11:31]: Mayor. Yes, ma'am, go ahead please. [0:11:31, 0:11:40]: I I was gonna ask counsel, let's take field trip outside and go walk around and check out these trees and figure out which ones. Not not necessarily right now today. [0:11:41, 0:12:01]: Um, maybe tomorrow, whenever, but we get together and we literally start from the front and work our way around this area in general, all you know, to figure out what trees we're talking about. I know I was concerned more so for visibility, um, to kind of open up visibility for the impact. [0:12:01, 0:12:19]: And I believe that was maybe in the back on that side I saw a bunch of rows and I figure if we open that up, because right now it's kind of hidden. Like some people still don't know it's still here, right? And and that's got a lot to do with our wayfinding stones and things that we're gonna work we were working towards. [0:12:19, 0:12:20]: But [0:12:20, 0:12:21]: I don't [0:12:21, 0:12:34]: I'm a visible person. So me getting a aerial shot and then we take down a a mature tree and can't regrow it, I don't want I don't want to run that risk. I would like to like literally see it. See what we're talking about. [0:12:36, 0:12:56]: Okay, I'm sorry. You sent us something, right? Because it was the day at 5 30, right? No, but I I just think it's probably best if everybody look at it and so we know that we're on the on the same page. So Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. Uh I I'm okay with the field trip, what have you, but let me [0:12:56, 0:12:56]: I mean [0:12:57, 0:13:00]: correct the record uh [0:13:00, 0:13:03]: Councilman Alexander,'cause I hate for [0:13:03, 0:13:04]: Misinformation. [0:13:05, 0:13:07]: uh to go out about [0:13:08, 0:13:12]: that particular time in the city of Stockbridge, um [0:13:14, 0:13:26]: Those trees were not planted because of that. Um there some things did happen in that vein, but it was not the planting of those trees. But I do agree that [0:13:26, 0:13:29]: Uh where the flag poles are [0:13:29, 0:13:32]: We may need to to cut that, but [0:13:32, 0:13:34]: I want to caution us though on the [0:13:35, 0:13:36]: Cypress trees. [0:13:37, 0:13:49]: Uh when we built the amphitheater, you know, we had a number of those, um, beautiful, very expensive, and we we took those down, we don't really know what happened. But in the [0:13:51, 0:13:52]: Get my baron, but in [0:13:53, 0:13:55]: In that area, um [0:13:56, 0:13:59]: А тин до сапотреї ісвос блокин. [0:13:59, 0:14:09]: the amphitheater and I think we m definitely need to go and look at that before we actually cut those down. Those are very beautiful trees. They're very expensive trees. [0:14:09, 0:14:11]: And I think we just need to make sure. [0:14:12, 0:14:15]: That this is what we really want to do, but I will say [0:14:15, 0:14:17]: Well the flag poles are [0:14:17, 0:14:19]: I think we may need to cut. [0:14:20, 0:14:21]: Also [0:14:22, 0:14:24]: On the other side in the [0:14:24, 0:14:25]: Grassy area. [0:14:26, 0:14:30]: Those trees just need to be pruned. They'll sort of hanging way too low. [0:14:31, 0:14:39]: And that was more of my concern on East Atlanta Road. Those trees need to be pruned. Right, right. So again, I do think we need to [0:14:39, 0:14:45]: go out and look and just be one hundred percent sure and identify what we really want to do. Yes. [0:14:46, 0:15:05]: Alright, so otherwise if you're gonna do that in reference to looking uh questions made about tomorrow, not sure if everybody can make it tomorrow, I would think that probably need to send some type of message or at least we come to agreement what if it's tomorrow, Wednesday. I mean what tomorrow is Wednesday, right? Thursday or Friday, whatever it would be, wouldn't make a qu to do a little field trip in this aspect. [0:15:06, 0:15:14]: It's only gonna take five minutes to look out the window or to go out there. We're talking about anything difficult. Okay, fine. So be it. We got a time for tomorrow. [0:15:14, 0:15:18]: Yes. What time? Ten o'clock tomorrow morning. Ten o'clock tomorrow morning. [0:15:18, 0:15:34]: You got you good? Ten o'clock tomorrow morning? I've already given my input. I I don't need to see it. I have core. So are we just talking about the ones by the side school? Is that the only ones with the Uh uh uh that wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about that and then the crepe myrtle trees that are all overgrown. [0:15:35, 0:15:41]: Yeah, yeah, but but we've but then uh we're saying we're talking two different things because I cutting back trees and cutting down trees. [0:15:41, 0:16:01]: Right. But the o only trees were to be cut down is over there by the flagpole Erie. The other trees were to be cut back on along East Atlanta. Well I'm o I mean if we want to if we all can agree with the flag I'm I'm okay with the flagpole. Okay. I'm okay with the flagpole and cut down and I'm okay with and I definitely want the East Atlanta crepe myrtles. I want that. [0:16:01, 0:16:16]: Mayor Ford. Yes, yes, ma'am Okay, I believe this area is in my district, so I need to speak and say something in reference to it. Um I do agree. Um those cypress trees that are covering up the flag hole. [0:16:16, 0:16:25]: We do we do need to remove those. And those trees along East Atlanta Road that are hanging over the power lines and the lights. [0:16:25, 0:16:28]: Those need to be trimmed back. I do agree with those. [0:16:28, 0:16:35]: But the cypress trees or crepe myrtle trees, I mean, that you mentioned, Councilman, I don't know where those are. [0:16:35, 0:16:45]: Those are the trees. Along the sidewalk. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The ones that you're talking about. The ones that ha okay. That's what we're talking about. Those just need to be [0:16:45, 0:16:54]: I agree and support that those do need to be cut back. Those are the ones that is hanging over the sidewalks and the power lines and lights. Correct. [0:16:54, 0:16:55]: Right. [0:16:55, 0:16:59]: No uh what not merely you might buy it. No, go right, sir. [0:16:59, 0:17:19]: Do we cut the caps off those crate margins in the wintertime? Because everybody does. I got no we don't. Like the ones on Jim Clark. They Yes. Oh man, come on. Because I have to cut for my crate murder and I got ten across my backyard. We have to cut all of those caps off. And what it is, it keeps'em it keeps [0:17:19, 0:17:37]: them from growing higher the next year when you cut the caps off. Yes. But if you don't then they grow higher and higher. The next thing you know you you have that situation. So I don't know if we cut the caps off or not. Uh because that makes them kind of get too elongated up in the uh [0:17:38, 0:17:58]: Yes. Alright, so what we agreed to we're gonna I've got some people have already agreed facted what what what needs to be done, but uh but still what some folks still need to see a walkthrough and whatnot. Mayor. Yes ma'am. I would like to make a motion that we cut down the trees near the uh around the uh flagpole and trim, prune the trees. [0:17:58, 0:18:10]: He's uh gone down East Atlanta, the crate myrtles. Second. Okay. We had plenty of discussion. All in favor, please indicate. See, NAMC. Okay, fantastic. Now you got your marching order, sir. Okay. Now we'll continue on. [0:18:11, 0:18:19]: Uh council consideration to renew the contract with Amazon, which is a piggyback uh contract with OMNIA partners public sector. [0:18:20, 0:18:40]: Through Prince William County Public Schools contracts and an annual amount of seventy-five thousand dollars under R twenty one thirteen eighty six. That's what it says here. Okay, John Wiggins. Mr. Wiggins, please. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Evening. This is a renewal on a contract that that's been [0:18:40, 0:18:47]: In the works since uh 2021. It's um piggyback on the uh Amazon contract. [0:18:48, 0:18:49]: This contract [0:18:50, 0:18:52]: Which uh helps us kind of [0:18:53, 0:18:55]: Keep everything in in um [0:18:55, 0:19:15]: It helps us keep keep us in line with capping how much we spend at Amazon. Uh since Amazon has has come on the scene, everybody's been using Amazon and collectively we have we have we have grossed over about 50, 50 something thousand. So um [0:19:15, 0:19:17]: It's kinda [0:19:17, 0:19:28]: outshine Walmart and everything else. So what we have to do collectively, this is why it was put in place in in 2021, was to help cap us, give us a cap on how much we can spend. [0:19:28, 0:19:30]: And the limit that [0:19:31, 0:19:32]: I'm um [0:19:33, 0:19:36]: Asking you to approve seventy five thousand. [0:19:36, 0:19:56]: Last year was a hundred thousand, but we haven't reached that that that much anyway. This just to cap it off. This also helps us when uh we have to get a purchase order for Amazon. Most of our uh purchases to Amazon is through the uh our requisition uh PO system. I know we have a few that go [0:19:56, 0:20:08]: we have to do credit card, but that's that's fine. Uh but this right here keeps a track of it helps us keep a uh second track on how much we're spending and then it kind of caps us at 75,000. So I asked council [0:20:09, 0:20:10]: to approve this uh renewal. [0:20:11, 0:20:31]: All right, council questions for Mr. Wiggins. I have no questions. I just need to motion. Go ahead you got a question? Go ahead, please. Uh when we do the um when we do the requisitions that we get POs for for those purchases with Amazon, those that are done by credit card, how do we track those those purchases if they're not if they're [0:20:31, 0:20:51]: Down about a PO uh how do we track these prerequisitions that are then put in place prior to purchase or how that's no that uh it it how we how we do that is we put descriptions on the the the credit card uh charges and when we do a search. [0:20:51, 0:21:11]: through the vendor for uh the vendor Amazon, everything will come up. It'll have all the POs which is attached to Amazon and then anything that's that's uh that we put in the description as far as the vendor being Amazon it comes up also. So what I'm just saying what systems in place to since there's a [0:21:11, 0:21:21]: How do you manage it now when everybody has credit cards that are now put in the system at purchase time that doesn't have a PO4? [0:21:21, 0:21:25]: had been totally planning for recognition of what put in the system. [0:21:30, 0:21:35]: over seventy five thousand when everybody can use their credit card to do it. That's what I'm trying to figure out. What's the system in place for that? [0:21:35, 0:21:55]: When we run when we run um the uh the monthly reports, I I can see where we're we're where we're making a lot of our purchases. And um Amazon has not reached over like for the past two years it's been like close to 55,000 once I tally up everything. So [0:21:55, 0:22:15]: So I usually go through and see how much that's gonna be to kinda keep a cap. No, no. Last year we did a contract we did the contract amount to cap it off for a hundred thousand. This year I'm lowering it to seventy five thousand because we haven't even reached reached that far and it makes no sense to um encumber that much. [0:22:15, 0:22:18]: Okay. [0:22:20, 0:22:25]: So any other questions from Mr. Wiggins? And once again, if not, need a motion to accept this proposal. [0:22:26, 0:22:28]: Mr Blount so moved. A second. [0:22:28, 0:22:31]: My second. Ms. Gantt second, all in favor, please indicate. [0:22:32, 0:22:35]: All right, unanimous decision. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mr. Aaron. Uh Mr. Wiggins, I'm sorry. [0:22:37, 0:22:43]: All right, council consideration to amend a downtown special events program to increase a maximum [0:22:43, 0:22:59]: Funding amount uh from two thousand five hundred to five thousand and allowing for up to fifteen hundred to be used toward city stoppage fees related to special events such as staffing needs, street closures, security detail, cleaning and city equipment. Mr. Lance, please. [0:22:59, 0:23:19]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Kimalon's Economic Development Director. Uh after implementing any new program, it is always a good idea to go back and assess what's working, what's not working, whether or not the program is meeting its intended goals. In that case, we had several conversations with folks who are even organizers and promoters. We asked them about this particular [0:23:19, 0:23:39]: Program and what we've heard so far is that the funding amount that we have currently is not enough to help move the needle. And one of the reasons why is because it is quite expensive to host an event here in the downtown area. Just to give you an example, if somebody were to say, hey, I want to host a 1,000-person family-friendly event. [0:23:39, 0:23:59]: or festival in the downtown area and I want to close the street. The estimated cost for that just for city fees is about$4,100. So we offer$2,500. So that is definitely not enough. So we know that increasing the amount is just one ways that we can help, one way that we can help, but [0:23:59, 0:24:15]: We definitely need to take a look at ways that we can remove some of these barriers to actually encouraging people to come to the downtown area and have events. With that being said, I'll take any questions. Yes, sir. Go ahead, Mr. Thomas. Mr. Lawrence, thank you, sir. [0:24:15, 0:24:21]: Um I I I I think this is a very good um [0:24:21, 0:24:33]: opportunity for organizations, but I'm trying to get a better understanding on the history and what separates this from [0:24:34, 0:24:38]: uh the event staff and what they do [0:24:39, 0:24:41]: Main Street. [0:24:41, 0:24:43]: And what they do [0:24:44, 0:24:50]: So i i is there a difference in this and I was trying to recollect in the budget [0:24:51, 0:24:53]: Uh this line item. [0:24:53, 0:24:54]: Um [0:24:56, 0:24:59]: And I guess my memory, but I I just don't recall. [0:25:00, 0:25:02]: uh this line item in [0:25:02, 0:25:04]: Twenty twenty three. [0:25:05, 0:25:07]: So can you give me a little history? [0:25:07, 0:25:11]: Um and and the difference between [0:25:11, 0:25:13]: What the event staff may do [0:25:14, 0:25:16]: Um and what Main Street may do. [0:25:17, 0:25:23]: I'm just trying I I I just don't want us to duplicate or is this a collaboration? [0:25:25, 0:25:27]: Sure, I'll be more than happy to. Um [0:25:28, 0:25:48]: One of the ways that you activate your downtown is by you know having multiple events. And because we not only have budget constraints, but we also have uh staff constraints. So we cannot be as a municipality, we cannot do every single event that we would want to see in the downtown area. So we created this program. [0:25:48, 0:26:08]: program to encourage other people to come and do events that will activate the street. So what we say we would do is providing some financial incentive for them to come and host the event. So in that case, city staff wouldn't be involved. They put the event on, they have to follow the procedure, apply for the special event permit fee, do everything that they need to do. They put on the [0:26:07, 0:26:27]: the event and after the event they send us a report and then we um you know issue the grant to them. Now as it relates to the budget um this particular program is part of our BRICS initiatives that council approved about two or three months ago and it is the line item for the this particular [0:26:27, 0:26:30]: program is for [0:26:32, 0:26:39]: Let's see, events we have fifteen thousand in that um line item for for this particular program. [0:26:39, 0:26:43]: Okay. Um is the [0:26:45, 0:26:47]: Vinus Association [0:26:49, 0:27:00]: I'm not sure which which name we're gonna use this time'cause we keep flip flapping on the name. But the uh business association, would they be involved in um [0:27:00, 0:27:15]: engaging or coordinating with uh some of these organizations that may want to come into downtown. I'm j I'm trying to I'm trying to see the the um the collaboration and the coordination to make sure that [0:27:15, 0:27:22]: i you know, we're all sort of moving in the same direction. But I think it's a great idea and I and we do want to promote [0:27:22, 0:27:38]: uh activities in our downtown. So I want to make sure that is clear, but I just want to get a better understanding on the uh collaboration and the and the various um connection with other entities. Sure. Such as the the event staff. [0:27:38, 0:27:58]: Sure. So the business partnership when it is fully functional with the board, um, we have a meet and greet uh on Thursday at Frozen Smoke and that is at six PM where we're inviting all businesses to come and learn more about the business partnership. As you all know, uh we need to put the board, they need to apply and then you all [0:27:58, 0:28:18]: Need to approve the board. Now, once that is established, if they want to go ahead as a board, you know, um, or put on an event in the downtown area, that would fall under, you know, a city initiative. Because when we as a city put on an event, let's say it's event staff or main street staff. [0:28:18, 0:28:38]: Staff, there are certain fees that are not associated with that particular event. Now, this particular program is for outside groups. Let's say, for example, we want to host a silent night block party disco in the downtown area, but we want another group to come and do it. The amount of money that we would spend. [0:28:38, 0:28:53]: spend to do that event is gonna be less than what, you know, we're gonna spend it's gonna be more, excuse me, more than what we would spend on the grant, for example, which is twenty five hundred now, if you approve it, it will be five thousand. [0:28:54, 0:29:14]: So the goal is to get more people to come and do events that we necessarily as staff do not have to put energy and you know staff time towards. Last question, ma'am. The muscles show that uh that's a part of Bridge Fest. Do we see this? [0:29:13, 0:29:27]: event which is a great event. Do we sort of see this event sort of moving from under the city auspices to um an organization sponsoring [0:29:27, 0:29:33]: uh that that car competition and and then they applying for the grant to do that. [0:29:34, 0:29:51]: So this particular event, I know it's something that um that has been very successful from what I've heard and something that our department, our main street staff take really a great pride um in you know putting it together. So I think the opportunity and what we're trying to get at is really [0:29:52, 0:30:12]: to get people to do things that we've not done before. So you know I talked about your disco silent party. Uh we actually have a potential event that we're considering at the moment, which would be a day of the dead kind of festival where it's gonna be family friendly with people in the downtown area. As a matter of fact, the DDA has agreed to uh help us. [0:30:12, 0:30:22]: with that event. They have allocated some money towards it at their last meeting. So um we're hoping with this we can provide more help so we can bring that event to downtown in October. [0:30:23, 0:30:43]: Thank you, Mayor. I yield. No problem. Thank you. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. Yeah, Mr. Blount, thanks for your presentation. When this is set up, I think it's a a great idea because it does cut down some cost to promote uh activities downtown through the business and uh other uh connections like that. Now who would hope with with the event? [0:30:43, 0:30:48]: Bench Park Department oversee the process? Who oversees the process? [0:30:48, 0:30:53]: If someone wants to come and do an event downtown, what is the connective process that they will go through? [0:30:53, 0:30:55]: Sure. [0:30:57, 0:31:01]: what the city has, you know, the rules that that we've already had. [0:31:01, 0:31:21]: Sure. So right now any any any any person who wants to do a special event in the downtown area or anywhere in the city, they have to go through a special event permit process. And that process is handled through community development, the public works is involved, the police department is involved. So they handle that after assessing [0:31:21, 0:31:41]: All the after the organizer applies and submit all the required documents and pay uh all the required fees, the special event permit is issued to them. So um that pro this program that we have will work the same way. The only thing that we're adding is saying when you do um put the event together after [0:31:41, 0:31:45]: the event is done, you know, we you have to [0:31:45, 0:31:55]: get a report and then we say, you know, yes, it was what we approved, then you get the grant from us. Right now it's twenty five hundred and what we're asking is that we increase it to five thousand. [0:31:56, 0:32:16]: Yeah, but what and you asked the part of it, but the other part is when I said going with it through the process, because obviously with what we have going on with downtown, which is connected down to theater and other events. There obviously gonna be blackout days that we don't wanna have two events going on at the same time. So that's gonna happen. [0:32:16, 0:32:20]: from staff wise to say hey now those dates aren't open. [0:32:20, 0:32:26]: So who is the connecting person when I'm trying to try to figure out who carries that through? [0:32:27, 0:32:33]: Because that's gonna be a lot. Once this once this goes out that that that this is amenable to happen. [0:32:33, 0:32:45]: is going to open up a door for people to say, hey, we can go down and see the shop, we can do this this. So who carries that through? Because that's going to be a lot just putting on one department, even the economic development department. Who carries this? What department [0:32:46, 0:33:00]: Sure. So as far as this program, uh our economic development department manages this program. Now just to give you a scenario, let's say someone wants to um put on an event and they come to us and say, hey, I'm thinking about doing this. Um [0:33:01, 0:33:21]: Would you consider sponsoring it through this grant? We say, well, it looks good what day that you're thinking about, that it would be, you know, I'm thinking September 30th, which is Bridge Fest. We'll say, no, that can't work. I'm thinking about October 21st, which is, you know, ludicrous coming here. We're looking at whether or not, you know, we have the [0:33:21, 0:33:24]: [2005.0, 2024.0]: The police department has to get involved with security detail depending on how many people we're gonna have, you know, required number of police officers, which is what they they do through that process. So they handle that. Now, once the event permit is issued, we tell them, okay, great, you have the event permit, now we can move forward, we're gonna sponsor this. [0:33:44, 0:34:04]: Uh you have to make sure that you know the event is successful. You have to give us a report to let us know, hey, you know, we said we were gonna have 500 people, we had 500 people, or we didn't have 500 people, here's why. And then we say, okay, you are able to get the grant. And the grant because it's 5,000, as we're recommending here. [0:34:04, 0:34:06]: the city manager would have to approve it. [0:34:07, 0:34:07]: Yeah, of course. [0:34:08, 0:34:15]: What's the time frame? If I if I say I want to have an event on business or somebody wants to have an event downtime. [0:34:15, 0:34:22]: How far out of a of a notice I have to give?'Cause if I give one, say, from now nine months out. [0:34:23, 0:34:26]: It may fall on the weekend, but now [0:34:27, 0:34:45]: The empathy to say, hey, we can't have this show because they're having this. So how do we not shoot ourselves in the foot? What is the time frame to be able to book events downtown versus when we're when we can actually have those events? How do you calor how do you calend that event? [0:34:45, 0:34:48]: from from the perception that they even happen. [0:34:48, 0:35:08]: Yeah. So two things. I think first the community development through business services, they typically ask that, you know, the permit, the special event permit is the application is submitted rather about, you know, ninety days to thirty days in advance. So that way we have time to plan for it. Uh so we know [0:35:08, 0:35:28]: Now, in that instance, I think it it's hard to, you know, uh think about that particular situation because if it's something that we we get and it's nine months out, and you know, it's gonna be hard for us to to know if it's concert season, then we know we may say, hey, um, you know, that date may not become available because it's concert season. [0:35:28, 0:35:32]: So I think it's something that we would have to look at. [0:35:32, 0:35:36]: So in in in in tragedy we have to say dates are subject to change. [0:35:37, 0:35:52]: Yes. I mean things are always because I just don't want us that's why I'm asking who cares this and who all who's the what's the collaboration'cause I just don't want us opening this up, which is a great idea, but I don't want to end up being something that ships us in the foot. You see what I'm saying? Understood. [0:35:53, 0:35:59]: Okay, any other questions? Uh Miss Barber Glay, please. Yeah. And thank you, Mr. Alant. Um [0:36:00, 0:36:00]: I [0:36:01, 0:36:05]: I understand the purpose of it. I'm just concerned about [0:36:05, 0:36:08]: Um the line item in the budget. [0:36:08, 0:36:08]: And [0:36:09, 0:36:12]: We don't have the financial information. We haven't even approved. [0:36:12, 0:36:14]: The twenty twenty four budget just yet. [0:36:15, 0:36:16]: Um [0:36:17, 0:36:24]: And again, I have the same question or concern that with this particular line item in the budget. [0:36:24, 0:36:26]: Which department does it fall under? [0:36:27, 0:36:32]: Does it fall under events department? Does it fall under economic development? [0:36:34, 0:36:54]: Sure, I'll be more than happy to answer. Um as you may recall, um City Council, I think maybe uh three months ago approved uh ALPA funding to go towards economic development. Yes. And uh in total, uh the council approved 300,000. [0:36:54, 0:37:14]: And we had a number of initiatives that were part of that uh three hundred thousand. And um just to give you a breakdown, we have you know citywide marketing, we have entrepreneurship program, we have events and meetings, we have workforce development, we have public arts, we have um downtown business assistance program, we have [0:37:14, 0:37:32]: Cape Stockbridge Beautiful, we have uh Stockbridge Wayfinding, well that's not part of it, but we have um Stockbridge Business Partnership, we have the citywide facade program that we created, all of these initiatives and programs are being uh funded through ARPA that was allocated um for the economic development department to use. [0:37:33, 0:37:38]: So this program, however, is not being is it being funded under ARPA? [0:37:38, 0:37:39]: Yes, it is. [0:37:40, 0:37:42]: Okay. Is that [0:37:43, 0:37:46]: Is it eligible to be used under ARPA? [0:37:47, 0:37:57]: So um yes, and I think you know the finance director can provide more more guidance on That is a legal question I'd like to ask Mr Washington. [0:38:03, 0:38:08]: Yeah, and I think it was used as a [0:38:10, 0:38:11]: Uh-huh. [0:38:16, 0:38:17]: Two. [0:38:18, 0:38:20]: I'm a little bit more. [0:38:31, 0:38:46]: You know, I need to check on that to see. Because the thing is that we could use ARPA funds. We could use ARPA funds to supplement something else in the general fund and take it out of the general fund to do it because of the ARPA funds that we have. So I just [0:38:47, 0:39:07]: I think this should be fine. I just wanted to check on the data. It falls upon the ten million that's allotted for us to be able to use opera funds for any kind of category that we need. Anything beyond the ten million, we can't do, which we already have. So it's like one point one six eight [0:39:07, 0:39:23]: that we can we that is that is restricted but this is this is unrestricted we can use that I can't hear that's that came from the the the United States Treasury can you step to the microphone Mr. Wiggins I can't hear let him let him let him go ahead and explain it again please go ahead and make [0:39:24, 0:39:44]: Queen States Treasurers had deemed early on that we can use 10 million of opera funds for uh these particular type of categories. Um we've already you've already uh gave him um uh permission to use 300 some thousands along with five hundred five hundred [0:39:44, 0:39:53]: seventy three thousand for Wayfi Wayf Wayf uh the Wayfire signs yeah the way finding uh signs. But United States Church should already give us uh [0:39:53, 0:39:57]: A lot of ten million for us to use. So yeah, these are these are okay. [0:39:57, 0:39:58]: So what [0:39:59, 0:40:00]: Whatever you all are reading. [0:40:01, 0:40:01]: Can I see that? [0:40:02, 0:40:05]: Yeah. It's just a budget report. [0:40:07, 0:40:07]: Yeah, cheaper. [0:40:14, 0:40:25]: Mr. Blount, you still had a question? Yeah, uh while she agrees, what's the cap amount on this?'Cause uh it doesn't have a cap amount. [0:40:26, 0:40:34]: On on the uh program itself? Yeah. If if you go through the cycle for the whole year, what's what's the cap amount? [0:40:34, 0:40:36]: Oh, it's fifteen thousand. [0:40:36, 0:40:40]: Fifteen programs. That's five programs. That's three three [0:40:40, 0:40:53]: Yeah, that's that's three grants. Three grants. Okay. Well, if we were to increase the the amount from twenty five hundred to five thousand. It'd be three. So three events. Three events, yeah. Okay. So you said fifty thousand. [0:40:54, 0:41:00]: Fifteen down. So in the line item we have fifteen down. Three events. Three events. [0:41:01, 0:41:21]: All right. Mr. Alexander, do you have another question? Thank you. I do. I I just want to thank you, Mr. Alliance, for bringing some outstanding stuff. We've been trying to move things like this forward to get events in the downtown. We we just gotta stop the micromanaging. We we just really do. It it is it is an outstanding program. [0:41:20, 0:41:31]: The staff has done the due diligence to put the work in place. And we gotta start trusting the staff. We really do. It is a situation where [0:41:31, 0:41:51]: The thing that you brought to us is as far as the meeting that you're having at Frozen Smoke, it's exactly what we wanted. It's exactly what we've been aspiring to do to move these things forward. We got so many programs in the city that we got so many onerous regulations, we can't even get Frozen Smoke a uh [0:41:51, 0:42:08]: uh a facade grant because the regulations are so onerous. We gotta be more business friendly. These processes have got to be a lot easier for the businesses to access so that they can use them and that they can move forward. We know frozen smoke is open, right? [0:42:09, 0:42:15]: We know that they are an outstanding business in downtown. Why is it so hard for them to get a facade grant? [0:42:16, 0:42:31]: These businesses, these kind of things that we we're dealing with, and when we put these programs into action and you put more regulation on top of regulation on top of regulation, businesses have to figure filter through the regulations. [0:42:31, 0:42:37]: Sometimes you gotta think about it from the side of the business owner who has to apply for it. [0:42:37, 0:42:39]: Now I just found out the other day that [0:42:40, 0:42:45]: In order to qualify, the business has to take a customer service class. [0:42:45, 0:42:45]: What? [0:42:47, 0:42:48]: Who asked for that? [0:42:49, 0:42:52]: What are we talking about? For the facade grant. No way. [0:42:54, 0:43:14]: These these regulations I would not ask you to and and and Main Street and all y'all to go back to look at the regulations and the requirements because we have all of this money at the DDA and the citywide authority and the DDA has not been dispensing these because of all of these onerous regulations. So I want you to [0:43:14, 0:43:21]: Uh I would ask and I would ask the councilmates to look at it because we're not d it's not getting to the public. [0:43:21, 0:43:32]: I'm telling you right now, it's not the money is there, but it's it's all of these regulations that are keeping the money from getting to the businesses. We gotta make it easier. Continue. [0:43:32, 0:43:35]: All right. Mr. Thomas, go ahead please. Right. [0:43:36, 0:43:37]: Mr. Lance, I [0:43:39, 0:43:41]: I don't think we are micromanaging [0:43:42, 0:43:44]: I think we have to understand [0:43:46, 0:43:49]: When when we come to council meetings [0:43:51, 0:43:53]: Go ahead, please. Go ahead, Mr. Thomas. [0:43:53, 0:43:59]: I don't think we are micromanaging. I I think we have to understand the process. [0:43:59, 0:44:02]: When we have council meetings [0:44:02, 0:44:05]: Staff come to make a presentation. [0:44:06, 0:44:10]: We have folks here in the audience. We have people viewing. [0:44:11, 0:44:12]: It's about [0:44:13, 0:44:16]: disseminating the information. [0:44:16, 0:44:19]: So when we ask questions [0:44:19, 0:44:21]: It's in the process of [0:44:21, 0:44:23]: Clarification. [0:44:23, 0:44:25]: А микіншо. [0:44:25, 0:44:27]: that the information is correct. [0:44:28, 0:44:43]: making sure that we as an elected body have the correct information. So when we go out and speak to the public, we are speaking correct information. So it's not micromanaging. It's about educating ourselves. [0:44:44, 0:44:57]: And educating the public. And I and I think, see, even the question about the ARPA funds, we know that we have to spend these funds correctly. So when a question is asked. [0:44:58, 0:45:00]: It's out of that concern. [0:45:01, 0:45:04]: Та миксюр да ви а не комплієнс. [0:45:04, 0:45:07]: And this is our role as elected official. [0:45:08, 0:45:11]: as you as a staff person, the city manager, the attorneys, [0:45:11, 0:45:31]: We have to make sure that we are doing things correctly. So I don't have a problem with the discussions. And this is all it is: it's discussion. It's not micromanaging. It's a discussion to make sure that we're doing things correctly: the process, the procedures, and making sure that we as a council we're educating. [0:45:31, 0:45:42]: educated and when we go back out and talk to cause some folks are viewing this and they will come up to us on the street and ask us questions about this program. We need we have to be able to [0:45:43, 0:45:51]: Explain the program to them. So that's why we have to have that knowledge. So whom and that's our role. [0:45:52, 0:45:59]: to be able to go back out and to talk to the citizen about these programs. So let's not continue to [0:45:59, 0:46:11]: badger when when we're just trying to get educated. My last question, uh for those citizen that may be viewing, can you refresh our memory of [0:46:11, 0:46:28]: the boundaries because you may have some folks out there saying, well, I may want to do something here in this particular area. Is that in the boundaries? Can I do that? So can you just refresh our memory on on the boundaries that this grant will apply to? [0:46:28, 0:46:29]: Sure. [0:46:29, 0:46:49]: And I'm uh I'm always happy to answer questions if I have the answers. And if I don't, I'll make sure to call on whoever has the answers. So um definitely it's always a pleasure to answer any questions and provide any clarification that is needed. Um as far as the boundaries, we use the DDA boundaries for this particular grant and the D D A boundaries they [0:46:49, 0:47:09]: on East Atlanta they go all the way down by the Publix and if you're on North Enry Boulevard you go all the way down to Walquarry and then if you're going up it's all the way by uh after you pass the Methodist church. So those are the what we consider as the DDA boundaries for um for this particular program. That's what we [0:47:09, 0:47:29]: Use. Now, if I may, Mehir, I would love to provide some clarification on the facade program and the idea that we require a customer service for a facade program. That is simply not the case because the facade program does not require. [0:47:29, 0:47:49]: customer service training. Now um in that particular instance um for the facade program itself uh we did get an application and we reviewed the application and the document that was provided was not accurate and we've um asked for additional documentation because [0:47:49, 0:48:09]: For us to approve work to be done by a contractor, we have to make sure that the contractor is licensed and insured in the state of Georgia. So if that's not the case, then we can't we can't approve for a number of reasons. Um and then as it relates to the customer service, um the downtown business assistance program, which that [0:48:09, 0:48:29]: business that you mentioned um is going to receive that grant. And as part of the terms and conditions, which is uh part of the guidelines, it says that you have to agree to the terms and conditions. And one of the conditions is that as we see this as a partnership with Visit Enry, and we want to encourage any of our hospitality partners to take that [0:48:28, 0:48:34]: [2915.7, 2917.8]: Let him finish his comment first, please. [0:48:38, 0:48:58]: Sure. Go ahead, finish your question. So our partnership is with you know Visit Enry, and we want to make sure that if you're in the hospitality industry, if it's a uh the downtown business assistance program is geared towards specialty retail, uh restaurants, entertainment, all these businesses are customer oriented and customer focused. So we want [0:48:58, 0:49:18]: So it's not um per se a um punishment. We don't see it as a punishment towards a business, it's just a probably ninety minutes or you know two hour course that you have to take for their you know staff on customer service training. But you just uh okay. [0:49:17, 0:49:22]: You said it wasn't required, then you said it was required as a part of the other part of the program. [0:49:22, 0:49:31]: Sure, I I said that the customer service training, it is not a requirement for the facade program. We would but it is a requirement for [0:49:33, 0:49:46]: The downtown business assistance program. Yes, we asked that when the grant that's the umbrella program. That's the that's the business assistance the downtown program. You can't get the other grant unless you own part of the downtown assistance program. [0:49:46, 0:50:06]: The grants are sep the grant programs are separate. We're we're talking about a number of different grant programs. So the downtown business assistance program, just to refresh um uh you know the the memory uh um just just to keep it focused. The part of the downtown assistance program requires them to do [0:50:06, 0:50:08]: A customer service class. [0:50:09, 0:50:12]: To be a part to participate in the program. [0:50:13, 0:50:33]: To be in compliance. That's participation, right? Yes. So there i it is required to be a part of the downtown assistance program. Yes. And the same way we also require them after they receive the grant that they have to remain in the downtown area for a minimum of three years. That is part of I mean compliance and monitor. [0:50:33, 0:50:47]: monitoring or just part of any other program. We did not say we're not gonna approve the pro the grant. We actually approved it and I believe they they went to the training and we're we're moving forward. Okay, so they are getting yeah. Thank you. [0:50:47, 0:50:48]: All right, go ahead, Ms. Mayor. [0:50:49, 0:50:58]: Okay. So now that you made clarification of that, I appreciate that'cause I was concerned when you said it was a requirement for customer service. But [0:51:00, 0:51:01]: Um [0:51:03, 0:51:23]: That customer service program is online. Mm-hmm. It's literally like an hour if that hour, hour and a half. And then they take a quiz afterwards and they get a twenty five dollar coupon to what other other stores are gonna like that have taken the class. They get like their employees as well. And it's a really [0:51:23, 0:51:24]: Really? [0:51:25, 0:51:27]: Great look. Um Christy Dean [0:51:27, 0:51:34]: from Drip Through is actually the narrator of it. And it's um through Visit Henry. [0:51:36, 0:51:50]: And it actually is a really good program. I actually use it to train my employees because they need to know good customer service. And in order for it's it it's not a hindrance actually, now that I think of it, because [0:51:52, 0:51:59]: We want the business to get business, but we don't want them to have a bad attitude down here either. We want the reputation of [0:51:59, 0:52:05]: We also are providing you with free it's free too. You don't pay for it. You just go log in and [0:52:06, 0:52:25]: You can stop and start, but it's not like it's the long class. It literally might be an hour and 15 minutes, hour and 30 minutes, maybe, if that. So if anybody's complaining about that, I would be concerned because um all it's doing is benefiting them and their employees. Their employees get the$25 coupons too. [0:52:25, 0:52:27]: So it's it's something that [0:52:28, 0:52:31]: Their tactics are based off of Disney World. [0:52:32, 0:52:35]: And Chic filet and other well known [0:52:36, 0:52:41]: customer service friendly and it helped me get a national award and get business of the year. [0:52:42, 0:52:45]: So I I r highly recommend it. [0:52:45, 0:52:55]: I I certainly agree with you. I just don't know if that's a good idea. So [0:52:56, 0:53:04]: It it it it it is not a requirement to get the facade grant, but it's a requirement to be a part of the downtown assistance program. [0:53:04, 0:53:07]: But what comes with the downtown assistance program? [0:53:08, 0:53:16]: It is twenty thousand dollars worth of money, um, interior improvements, capital equipment, marketing and rent abatement, depending on whether it's a new business or not. [0:53:17, 0:53:18]: So each business gets that? [0:53:19, 0:53:24]: In each illi eligible business, yes. So why wouldn't we as a city [0:53:26, 0:53:46]: want to have some type I I want to make it easy for them, but this is easy. All you gotta do is go online and talk about customer service. There's no way I want to give people$20,000 and then they have a bad attitude. But that's not our responsibility. It's the this is a private sector business that is dealing with the public. If they're not giving good customer service, they're gonna go out of business. [0:53:46, 0:53:59]: I this is these are these are this see this is my issue with this right here. See, this is bu bureaucratic red tape that if you go out and talk to the business owners, they're saying there's so much red tape [0:53:59, 0:54:05]: here with these various programs, it's hard for them to navigate when they're trying to keep their doors open. [0:54:05, 0:54:25]: That's what I'm talking about. It's it's just a n it's not that it's a bad program. It's just that it's another layer on top of all the other stuff that they gotta deal with. Well, I don't know what else they are required to do for twenty thousand dollars, but twenty thousand dollars can almost pay for a hood. It can pay for a grease trap. That's major. It's ten thousand, right? [0:54:25, 0:54:28]: It's a twenty thousand dollars with a ten thousand dollar match. [0:54:28, 0:54:44]: I'm saying whatever it is. The downtown business assistance program does not have a match. Okay, so it's not a m okay. So whatever whatever the case, twenty thousand dollars, that's a lot. We should have some type of restrictions. And you w you want the business to stay there, so it's only beneficial to them. And I get the red tape. [0:54:44, 0:54:50]: I'm more concerned about when they come down and do an application that they um [0:54:51, 0:55:08]: you know, are told up front certain things. Some people start renting buildings and then find out they can't do the business there or they are taken through red tape just trying to get their foot in the door instead of having everything done up front. There there's some policies and procedures that I wanna deal with about that. [0:55:09, 0:55:11]: But if we're giving them money [0:55:11, 0:55:30]: They need some type of requirement. And this, I promise you, you can watch this thing within an hour and be done. Like and you literally click a button and you're over. It's not like it's a may exam with pass or fail. Well, they show you if you pass them questions, but it's stuff that they need to know. And [0:55:31, 0:55:51]: I think it's beneficial as a whole. It's not red tape. It's not red tape when we offer them free business sessions on how to go about writing and getting grants for their business or business advice about how to form their LLCs. It's not hurting us then. We're not micromanaging them. I think this is beneficial. What we're seeing. [0:55:51, 0:55:53]: [3355.0, 3359.8]: wants to make sure you get it. We want really we want good customer service. We want [0:56:00, 0:56:11]: nice businesses, professional businesses, and we are giving you the tools to m to be successful. This is what we demand. We're gonna give you some money. [0:56:12, 0:56:15]: Make sure you come here with excellence. [0:56:15, 0:56:19]: And so we're gonna give you those tools to make sure that you're excellent. So I don't I don't have a problem with that. [0:56:21, 0:56:34]: My my my issue is not that. My issue is is is is I agree that there should be certain requirements. The problem is the results. We got all of these programs and nobody is getting the money. [0:56:35, 0:56:55]: This is the problem. When I say that, we got all of these programs out there, but nobody is getting the money. Go talk to the business owners out there. How many facade grants do you see with North Henry Boulevard looking like it looked, or downtown looking like it looked? They're not getting the money. And that is my problem. So I [0:56:55, 0:57:07]: I want them to look at whatever onerous, whether it's that one, or whatever is causing the money not to go out. I want that fixed so we can get these businesses the money because they are struggling. [0:57:08, 0:57:28]: All right. Uh Miss Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. Mr. Alon so that I'm clear. Um this downtown special events program that is completely separate from the facade program that we're talking about, right? We're talking about two different things. Yes. Thank you. The next question is um the facade program is um [0:57:28, 0:57:28]: Um [0:57:30, 0:57:33]: Managed by the downtown development authority. [0:57:33, 0:57:40]: So they have their own criteria or structure in which they issue those facade grants, correct? [0:57:41, 0:58:01]: Yes, so uh w there are two facade programs. There is a city wide facade program that was approved through um BRICS about I think it was approved in June or July. Uh so that's fairly new. And the D D has its own um program. And we had a discussion about [0:58:01, 0:58:18]: you know, the DDA facade program and they actually uh took a step forward by increasing the funding amount, uh the maximum that a business could get. They increased that amount and uh we've been, you know, uh promoting the program. With any facade programs, the um [0:58:19, 0:58:39]: The issue that or the challenge that you have with facade programs is that most of them require a match and the work has to be done first. Now, the way that you overcome that is by providing funding that would make people wanna take the work um, you know, in the [0:58:39, 0:58:59]: first place. For example, when I when I was in Orlando, when I got there, the facade program was up to 20,000 and we weren't getting any uh applications at all. And you know, I reviewed the program and we took that amount from 20,000 to 100,000 and we started get a lot of getting a lot of applications. [0:58:58, 0:59:15]: It is it is tricky because the owners have to take the first step. They have to spend the money first to get the work done and then they get reimbursed. Now, if council would love for us to look at other ways that we can assist uh businesses through uh [0:59:15, 0:59:30]: it exterior improvements that may not require that. We would be more than happy to explore uh other opportunities, but facade grants overall are just that's the challenge with them. You just have to offer the money that would allow somebody to take the first step. [0:59:31, 0:59:34]: Thank you, sir. I do have a question. Who determines [0:59:35, 0:59:44]: Going back to this downtown special events program, that is the item on the agenda. Who determines the eligibility when a business wants to [0:59:44, 0:59:47]: Host a special event. [0:59:47, 0:59:52]: The eligibility for the program or the eligibility for a special leave for a reimbursement. [0:59:54, 1:00:08]: So uh basically staff, economic development staff would um do the the work first and then, you know, with the amendment that we're proposing, because it is five thousand, then the city manager would approve the grant. [1:00:08, 1:00:12]: So it's up to five thousand dollars per event. Yes. [1:00:12, 1:00:13]: Thank you, sir. [1:00:13, 1:00:15]: No problem. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [1:00:16, 1:00:18]: Mr. Lance uh question is that [1:00:19, 1:00:25]: 'Cause I thought Main Street had a facade grant program also. At one time. I thought we I thought they did anyway. [1:00:26, 1:00:45]: Uh with those facade grants, is there stipulations pertaining that that these uh businesses are given that shows the do's and don'ts of what we expect to see downtown? I mean I'm just trying to figure out how do we how do we provide grants and uh [1:00:46, 1:00:47]: And we don't and [1:00:49, 1:01:01]: Well, I'll I'll talk to you about that later. Something happened. I I don't wanna go too deep and into the sky blue stuff. Uh but also I have to agree with Councilman Alexander. [1:01:01, 1:01:10]: Is that I I I I I want us to promote downtown. And you I you you you've came on board and you're doing something I haven't seen since I've been in office. [1:01:11, 1:01:19]: And that's somebody diligently working to promote downtown in the way that you're doing. You're putting a plan in place and you're putting and you're and you're executing. [1:01:20, 1:01:40]: And you when you come to us, you're not coming to us saying what we want to do, you're saying, hey, this is what I would like to do, and you're executing. But I I I have to agree with Mr. Alexander, I don't want to see us into the management or business part. Because if you open up a business and you're rude to people or you're not [1:01:39, 1:01:48]: not giving good customer service, you're gonna end up just like that church's chicken over on 138 that's gone. I can say it now because they're gone. So [1:01:49, 1:02:09]: But good business brings in people. And when you open up a business, you have to have a plan in place on how do you keep people coming back, because you only have one time to make a first impression. So I don't want us to make so many stipulations inside the criteria that we find those stipulations also manageable. [1:02:09, 1:02:15]: managing businesses versus allowing the marketplace to manage itself. So I'm in agreement with that part. [1:02:16, 1:02:36]: All right. This is a final comment. Let me tell you, Mr. Lut, I've patted you on the back a thousand times since you got here because you're doing a ma magnificent job. My comments are targeted toward what you were doing because these programs were already in place when you arrived, weren't they? They were already here. The facade grant program, the DDA. Now originally [1:02:36, 1:02:56]: The DDA program, the the requirements were actually, it might have been as Mr. Blount indicated under a city department before we turned it over to the DDA. Because it seems as though the DDA, the rules are very similar, and that the rules may have actually been written by us. Not sure whether that's [1:02:56, 1:03:16]: That's the case or not, but I think it is. Is the the requirements are very similar to what they are. I think the DDA pretty much adopted what the staff recommended that they do. My thing to you is not to say uh that uh that that it's you. My thing to you was to say it's [1:03:16, 1:03:36]: Is is at the council was agreeable to go back and look to see what it is that we can do to make it easier to change the result. Whatever that is that's best that you come up with, not us, that can get these facade grants up. You know, I was at the DDA. [1:03:36, 1:03:56]: Meeting and the clerk suggested, Miss Holliday was there, she takes the notes, that we give them some give them some of the money up front so that they could actually do the work. It is not like that, it's unwritten that you couldn't do that. Because if you were a business owner and you're nickel and dime and you're trying to get your doors open, and you say, [1:03:56, 1:04:16]: Well, uh, do I have 10? You don't have ten thousand dollars. But if you had the money, and where we might have paid the contractor directly instead of giving the money to the business, you pay the contractor directly. The mut the business never touches it. They the money goes directly to the contractor that you know. [1:04:16, 1:04:33]: is licensed and insured and all of the above. I'm not saying we will do that. I'm asking you to look at all of the possibilities of what we can do to change the results so we can start getting these grants out citywide and the downtown development authority. Will do. [1:04:33, 1:04:34]: All right, go ahead, Ms. Kent. [1:04:35, 1:04:46]: Uh Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve this downtown special events program to increase the maximum funding amount from twenty five hundred to five thousand. Second. Okay. All favor please indicate. [1:04:47, 1:04:51]: Do you all oppose? You obstain? Question. Question. [1:04:51, 1:04:52]: Question. [1:04:53, 1:04:58]: I wanted to know what and maybe you answered it, what is the twenty twenty four proposed budget? [1:04:58, 1:04:59]: For this program. [1:05:00, 1:05:02]: The maximum amount. Do we know? [1:05:03, 1:05:18]: So again, this is ARPA funding that we're using. So uh this program is not part of our economic development budget for twenty twenty four. But we want to continue it after the ARPA funds runs out. So [1:05:19, 1:05:32]: This won't be a line item in the budget for twenty twenty four or twenty twenty five. We just don't foresee us doing it after then. Say three. Maybe twenty twenty five. Until it reaches it's already in there. [1:05:35, 1:05:49]: I thought you said three events a year. Yeah. So if we do three if we do we're already in September, so let's say we do one event. We do one event this year and then uh next year we'll we'll only be able to do two and that that's it for that program. [1:05:49, 1:05:52]: So three different businesses will host [1:05:52, 1:05:53]: An event. [1:05:53, 1:05:57]: It can be a business or an organization, non profit or an in yeah. [1:05:58, 1:06:16]: Thank you, sir. Mm-hmm. I support this. Thank you, Mayor Ford. Oh, all right. So we took a vote. So let's just do this one the ma motion was made, miss second from Miss Gantt to Miss Downs and all in favor, please indicate. Real quick, I just wanna make sure the cap is fifteen thousand total, right? Five ten fifty fifteen thousand. [1:06:16, 1:06:24]: Is the cap for this event for this? Yes. Okay. I want just to include that in there that the cap is fifteen thousand per year. [1:06:26, 1:06:27]: per year. [1:06:27, 1:06:28]: For this. [1:06:28, 1:06:42]: Certainly, and and it's worthwhile to continue it. I could see it going to the general fund budget in twenty twenty five at fifteen thousand. Right. Yeah. Per year. Right. Right? Yes. All favorite pleas indicate. [1:06:42, 1:06:57]: Okay, got a unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Okay, thank you, Mr. Lance. Okay. What we have next is the uh reconsider uh reconsideration of a motion. Um Miss Gantt, you brought this forward. I would think um Mr. Washington, you need to come to the podium, please, sir. [1:07:02, 1:07:22]: And I know that you sent everybody, I don't know if everybody read it, but you sent some type of clarification uh to the entire council about this as well. Yes. And so we were just asking for clarification on the the final outcome of everything that was discussed when going back and reviewing was that there was a resolution that was passed that was a three-two vote. [1:07:22, 1:07:35]: vote. There's a question about whether or not because the there was a prior motion that was not ruled upon, which could be looked at as a motion to reconsider, whether that obstructed council's intent. And so to clarify council's intent, [1:07:36, 1:07:38]: We're asking counsel as to whether or not you want to. [1:07:39, 1:07:40]: A point. [1:07:41, 1:07:42]: Be a resolution. [1:07:43, 1:07:44]: Deputy City Clerk. [1:07:44, 1:08:04]: Or whether you want to let it go through the normal hiring process, which will be done by the city manager as he directs. And so those are the two matters. And if it's going to be that you all want to do what was expressed, the resolution as a three-two. [1:08:04, 1:08:20]: then I would just ask that that be done that way and so the meeting minutes can be clear. And if you want to do it through the regular hiring process, ask that you do it that way so that the minutes can be clear. Or if there's a third option that you all have, do it that way. [1:08:21, 1:08:23]: Yeah, sir. Go ahead, please. Okay. [1:08:23, 1:08:43]: Did you I just think we need to go ahead and move forward. Sure, that's no problem. Okay. I'll make the motion uh uh for this particular um it is the directive of the consensus of council that the staff shall be prohibited from directly hiring anyone for the position of deputy clerk and to yield to the will of the council to appoint the candidate. [1:08:43, 1:08:45]: [4126.4, 4128.7]: Dead second by Ms. Blount. I'm fair, please indicate. [1:08:50, 1:08:50]: I'll pose. [1:08:52, 1:08:56]: Okay, discussion. Okay, three one. [1:08:57, 1:09:00]: What's your what's your point? Please. [1:09:00, 1:09:16]: So with this motion, the city clerk is not able to hire directly um to fill the position of the deputy city clerk. That's correct. So we're going to leave the ordinance as it is currently. [1:09:16, 1:09:21]: Um which gives the council the authority to hire. [1:09:21, 1:09:34]: Well see, that's where the confusion came in. There was never an ordinance on the issue. Okay. You all had voted in well, not you all, prior counsels had voted to have the deputy city clerk appointed. [1:09:35, 1:09:37]: And so because [1:09:37, 1:09:55]: councils cannot bind successive councils, then there's the c the question is what do you all want to do with this process? And that is best expressed via an ordinance. I mean b be ordinance or resolution. This is a resolution. Yeah. Okay. [1:09:55, 1:09:56]: Mm. [1:09:57, 1:09:57]: All right. [1:09:58, 1:10:01]: A motion was made by Mr. Alexander, second by Mr. Blount. [1:10:01, 1:10:03]: I'll tell you again, all in favor of that motion please indicate. [1:10:03, 1:10:04]: Maybe. [1:10:05, 1:10:10]: Um I have one question. One I'm sorry, one question just for the attorney. Go right in the paper. Go right in. [1:10:11, 1:10:11]: So [1:10:12, 1:10:16]: Because there was a motion for reconsideration, that was part of the question. [1:10:17, 1:10:22]: Should Councilman Alexander not do the motion for reconsideration and then we vote? [1:10:22, 1:10:23]: On the second part? [1:10:24, 1:10:25]: So [1:10:27, 1:10:28]: If that was at issue. [1:10:29, 1:10:29]: So [1:10:30, 1:10:32]: There are a couple of ways that they can be looked at, right? [1:10:32, 1:10:33]: This [1:10:34, 1:10:54]: Some things a province of the chair. So if the chair, if a motion is given by the chair, or if a motion is taken up by the chair and it is not voted upon, right? It can be assumed that if it's not voted upon in that meeting, then it can die in that meeting, or the chair can bring it back. However, if you all don't express anything about it, [1:10:53, 1:10:54]: [4254.6, 4257.2]: then there's no action that's taken. [1:10:57, 1:11:05]: Because no action is taken, right? If there's a motion, any motion that there's no action taken, there's been no action taken by this council. [1:11:05, 1:11:25]: Okay, none. Right, no. That's your position. If you all want to have taken an action on it, then the majority could override and say, we didn't vote on this, we'd like to there was a vote called and go from there. The what the what the decision was was to be clear on what you all wanted to come back and act. [1:11:25, 1:11:29]: Ask so that that way what would be taken up and [1:11:30, 1:11:34]: the directive be given for you all to vote on that. [1:11:34, 1:11:39]: as you all already have, and that's the clarification, so that if there is [1:11:40, 1:11:50]: any other procedural matters that you've clearly expressed what you all want to do in this situation and there are no other motions currently pending about that matter. [1:11:51, 1:12:11]: What I would think is that uh the from the resolution motion to pass three two for the council to approve and from what I've seen electronically in emails and even tonight in the motion, I would think we need to just move on and think this will the council to go ahead and be part of the process to appoint the deputy city clerk. [1:12:10, 1:12:16]: will and if I have any say so I think that's just a will at this point. Uh stand by please stand by. Yes Mr Blount. [1:12:17, 1:12:17]: Um [1:12:19, 1:12:26]: One of the things with me, I like for stuff to be clean, cut, and dry. What we just did tonight. [1:12:28, 1:12:28]: Just did. [1:12:30, 1:12:32]: Is on a recording and video. [1:12:32, 1:12:35]: From the last meeting, the exact same thing. [1:12:37, 1:12:39]: That's inefficient to me. [1:12:39, 1:12:39]: Mm-hmm. [1:12:41, 1:12:43]: Биказ адесп. [1:12:43, 1:12:51]: The vote could now change if it if if if if it was a will to change. So then we would be voting on the same item. [1:12:52, 1:12:57]: And to get two different results because we just did the exact same thing. [1:12:57, 1:12:59]: That's on film. [1:13:00, 1:13:03]: And on v on video and it was stated. [1:13:03, 1:13:05]: The exact same thing. [1:13:06, 1:13:12]: What does the minutes say? Does the minutes sh does the minutes from the clerk show a flaw in the in the process? [1:13:13, 1:13:20]: Then let's address the flaw in the process. What was the flaw in the process? Because if we don't j address it right now [1:13:20, 1:13:38]: We're gonna have the same exact same thing come up to us. Why? Because we did the exact same thing that's already been done. What flaw do we need to address? Because I don't want us ever coming up here and having to do the exact same thing when the when the decision already been made. Right. And I think [1:13:39, 1:13:51]: I was clear on what the decision was, right? And so since there was some confusion about it, I'm going to always make sure if there's confusion about what you all have done, I was clear that it was a three-two and if there was some procedural [1:13:52, 1:14:02]: issues surrounding that, right? At the end of the day, you all said what you want to do. You reiterated what you want to do. This is just the final point of clarification to make sure that it's clearly understood. Mr. Washington. [1:14:03, 1:14:03]: Mm-hmm. [1:14:03, 1:14:11]: Let me tell you what happens at the end of the day. At the end of the day, you're our attorney. Yeah. Nobody else in this room. [1:14:12, 1:14:17]: And it was if it was clear to you and legally clear to you that we did it properly. [1:14:18, 1:14:20]: We should not even have to vote again tonight. [1:14:21, 1:14:32]: And if there's some conflict and confusion that has a problem with that, then bring that to council because we have executive session rooms that we can deal with, uh uh we can deal with uh um personnel. [1:14:33, 1:14:37]: personnel uh uh uh real estate in in in litigation. [1:14:39, 1:14:42]: But we if you are a city attorney and you said it was clear to you. [1:14:43, 1:14:58]: This is a part of the night that should never even happen again because now later on it could be flawed if we ever do this again. Not with this situation, but another one. No, I I and our time is being wasted because if somebody got a problem with what this council has done. [1:14:59, 1:15:02]: Then bring it to the council and tell us what the problem is. [1:15:03, 1:15:23]: No, I listen, I can I can understand how you say it. I'm just going to always, as a lawyer, always say out of an abundance of caution. So we've done this. I appreciate y'all's time and consideration. I'm I'm ready to move on. We we voted vote. We voted the same the vote is the same. And uh so we need to move on. I'm I'm [1:15:23, 1:15:34]: Pretty sure she recorded it vote. We need to make sure that there's nothing else flawed with the decision we just made because we just is there a flaw in the decision we just made, uh Ms. Holliday? [1:15:36, 1:15:36]: Mm. [1:15:37, 1:15:39]: No, no, asking you a question because you're taking notes. [1:15:48, 1:15:50]: What's the right thing? [1:15:53, 1:16:01]: I'm okay, okay. Let's hold on. Let me make something clear. That's why I anytime something is flawed out here. [1:16:02, 1:16:04]: We get it from the clerk. [1:16:04, 1:16:12]: That there's a motion and there's a second on the floor, Mayor, and she corrects it so that when she puts it in a minute, there's not a flaw in it. [1:16:12, 1:16:22]: And I'm asking you now, because you've always done that since I've known you and since I've been coming to council meeting, is there a flaw in what we just did that's gonna be in your minutes? [1:16:30, 1:16:34]: Okay. All okay, motion has been made. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:16:35, 1:16:36]: Opposed. [1:16:37, 1:16:45]: You oppose, sir. So three you oppose as well? Three two motion passed. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. Now I'll still ask again, is there a flaw in the process? [1:16:46, 1:16:51]: May I um may I ask the question? Miss Holliday, um [1:16:52, 1:17:10]: We had to come back to the meeting tonight because from my understanding you thought that the last meeting there was a flaw, that something didn't take place in the right procedure. Was that corrected tonight? [1:17:10, 1:17:21]: Or is there still a f do you consider it still a flaw? Because usually you correct what we're saying is. Any other time it's been corrected. It'll be like, wait, y'all didn't take a vote. [1:17:21, 1:17:24]: Because this is dealing with the deputy clerk. [1:17:25, 1:17:27]: And because you are the clerk. [1:17:27, 1:17:30]: And you came up and presented the last time. [1:17:31, 1:17:34]: Із зер а до ю консир. [1:17:34, 1:17:45]: this a flaw at this point in time because the that from my understanding your clarification uh what's been going on is in in regards to the motion for reconsideration. [1:17:46, 1:18:05]: I am going to defer to legal counsel. I cannot override your legal counsel. Okay. All right. Uh the mo the motion passed three two. Unless legal counsel has anything additional to say at this time, we'll move on to our next item. Yes, sir. I would like for us for clarity and clear to be clear. [1:18:06, 1:18:14]: To ask legal, do we need to revisit the reconsideration from Mr. Alexander and vote on that tonight to go along with this? [1:18:15, 1:18:20]: [4701.6, 4706.9]: But that but that was understood at the last meeting. So I don't want so at this point [1:18:27, 1:18:38]: We don't need staff or anybody addressing anything pertaining to this because we can't keep going in circles. Whatever need to be cleared up, we just need to clear it up now. That's why I'm asking the questions. [1:18:44, 1:18:45]: Thank you, sir. [1:18:45, 1:19:05]: All right, we'll now move on to announcements of upcoming meeting events. Council meetings will be held in the city council chamber. Visit the city's website www.stopbridge at uh stopbridgega.org or visit the city's Facebook page or contact the city hall offices at 770-389-7900 for updates. [1:19:05, 1:19:25]: Stockbridge Citizens Police Academy Council meeting is the first Thursday of each month, 6 p.m. at Stockbridge Police Community Room, 4545 North Henry Boulevard. City Council meeting, second Monday of each month, 6 p.m. City Council Hall Chambers, October 9th. 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[1:21:16, 1:21:30]: At eleven a.m. to five p.m. Mermanus Conference Center, contact uh via email PAO Black 365 at PSI Alpha Omega.org for additional information. [1:21:33, 1:21:53]: Join Mayor Pro Tem Barber for the Breast Friends Breast Health Awareness event on Monday, October 2nd at Merrill Manters Conference Center, lower level, and again on October 9th for the My Breast Friend mammogram screening event in partnership with women's imaging specialist. Mayor Ford, can I just add there are twenty [1:21:53, 1:22:05]: slots for free mammogram screening. Twenty slots. For Oc October s ninth activity? Yes. Okay, twenty slots available. For those that don't have insurance. Okay. Yes, thank you. [1:22:05, 1:22:25]: You're welcome. Join Councilman Blount for the Bingo Bass Wednesday, October 18th from 10 a.m. to noon at Murray Manor's Conference Center located at 111 Davis Road. Join me, Mayor Ford, for the monthly meet the mayor on Monday, October 23rd, from 10 a.m. to noon. Please contact Ros and Rawls to schedule an appointment at 678-200. [1:22:25, 1:22:32]: eight eight three three three three four four four four four eight or via mail rawls at city of stopbridge dash g a dot gov. [1:22:33, 1:22:53]: Join Councilman Thomas for Don't Trash Stockbridge Initiative centered around education, highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping. More information to follow. And also join Councilman Thomas for honoring veterans, honoring veterans and a continuous salute to all year long, these veterans. Please send you pictures of veterans and their names, brands, [1:22:53, 1:23:13]: rank and years of service to R. Rawls at City of Stockbridge dash G dot G O V. And by the way, of course, the uh October is breast cancer awareness month. So be aware of those particular activities that we have at the City of Stockbridge as well. And I believe the luncheon is I think October 12th and you have to [1:23:13, 1:23:33]: Sign up for that one and with the event staff. And then we have right, and then on the 14th, we'll have our Pretty and Pink Love Walk at Clark Park, and that starts roughly seven o'clock on that morning, I believe it is. And the luncheon starts at, I think, at 11 a.m. Okay. Get your tickets for upcoming 2020. [1:23:33, 1:23:39]: Stockbridge concert series by visiting stopbridgeamp.com [1:23:39, 1:23:51]: Or in person the ticket office located at 4650 North Henry Boulevard, which is right behind City Hall. The Wheel Call area ticket office located open from Thursday to Saturday, one to five P.M. [1:23:51, 1:24:00]: Okay. And our season is ending very shortly here. So we only have a few more concerts left before we get into the 2024 season. [1:24:00, 1:24:08]: And this uh Sunday, uh our blues concert is uh blues concert in Southern Soul is already sold out. [1:24:08, 1:24:14]: Uh so we still have a comedy show on October fourteenth with Monique nephew Tommy, Dominique [1:24:15, 1:24:26]: Rodney Perry Jr. and Tony Roberts. That's Saturday, the 14th of October. And then the last concert, pay concert of the year, will be Saturday, October 21st with Ludacris and Rich the Kid. [1:24:27, 1:24:40]: And sometime before the end of the calendar year, some probably late November, December, we'll be able to announce the twenty twenty four season uh for a concert series and look forward to that as well. [1:24:40, 1:25:00]: COVID-19 is still on the rise, so please make sure you take your current booster shot. There's a new booster shot out there for you. And as well, take your flu shot for the fall into the winter season here. We want you to be healthy, uh, folks, and uh be alive for a long time. You've got to be healthy though, right? And cost goes. Cost goes that the bridge. [1:25:00, 1:25:04]: Jodeco has a grand opening. [1:25:04, 1:25:17]: On Thursday, November sixteenth, eight AM. So get ready and as a matter of fact you can go to Costco's on that day, all that week and get ready for Thanksgiving. Buy all the things you need from Costco for your Thanksgiving dinner with your family, friends and relatives. [1:25:18, 1:25:38]: And October 10th in Murray Manor's Conference Center, we will have a candidate forum, which is a public event for our current uh current uh council members that are up for re-election. And that'll be moderated by the uh eight eight excuse me, Atlanta Journal Constitution Journalist will moderate that's a seven p.m. at Murray Manors on the tenth of October. [1:25:38, 1:25:42]: On that note, uh council, I need a motion to go into executive session. [1:25:42, 1:26:02]: Yes, sir. I think we we we certainly did a good job of talking about the um paid concerts, but we just need to let everybody Angie Stone is coming for free. Okay. The Fleetwood Mac band and uh tribute band's coming for free. Several free concerts on Saturday for those who partake in our biggest festival of the year, Bridge. [1:26:02, 1:26:22]: That's right. And we got a country star, Mark Wares coming through there and a tribute band for Stevie Wonder. So lots of different music. Uh once again the the Amphitheater opens up at three. Concert starts at five, I think five to ten. And it is free. You need you need to have a ticket to get in and to have a Pacific seat. Okay? And now I need a motion to go to the second session, Council. So move. [1:26:22, 1:26:27]: Well I've got Mayor, I moved over to go to second session for personnel, litigation and real estate. Okay. [1:26:28, 1:26:31]: Mrs. Blount. So move, Mr. Blount, all in favor, please syndicate. [1:26:31, 1:26:35]: All right. I'll pose you you pose? [1:26:35, 1:26:38]: You oppose. So three two will go into cycle session. [1:26:38, 1:26:39]: Pass. [1:27:15, 1:27:19]: Council, I need a motion to end the second session, please. So move. [1:27:19, 1:27:23]: Okay for Mr. Blount, is there a second? Mr. Dow is now a second. All in favor, please indicate. [1:27:24, 1:27:44]: All right, council. We uh need a motion to reconvene our our work session, please. So moved. Okay. Mr. Blount? My second. Second. Ms. Ms. Gantt, second in all favor, please indicate. All right. And from our executive session, we have something we need to mention here. Ms. Gantt, please. Mayor, um, I would like to move that we transfer the five. [1:27:44, 1:27:47]: Following properties to the URA. [1:27:47, 1:27:49]: One oh eight First Street. [1:27:50, 1:27:51]: And stop bridge. [1:27:53, 1:28:13]: Okay. 142 Wilson Avenue in Stockbridge and 44998 North Henry Boulevard in Stockbridge. So move. Okay. Mr. Alison, do you second that? Sir. Okay. All in favor, please indicate. All right. Thank you very much. Now I need a motion to end our city council uh work session. So move. Is there a second? From Ms. Gantt to [1:28:13, 1:28:16]: Mr. Blount, all favourite please indicate. God bless y'all. Good night.

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2023-09-11 source: 2023-09-11_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:13:10, 0:13:30]: economy and by increasing the level of collaboration and cooperation across the state agencies, businesses, and educational communities. Whereas the city of Stockbridge recognizes the critical role workforce development services play in our commitment to support a thriving environment for workers and employers in this, and whereas during the month the City of Stockbridge and Southern Technical Crescent College [0:13:30, 0:13:50]: Will further uh feature resources that workers, employers, and surrounding Henry County community can use to advance their careers, grow their businesses, and ensure their future economic prosperity. Resources include important data on the in-demand skills and growing industries, labor market trends, upcoming training sessions and events, and more. [0:13:50, 0:14:10]: And whereas the need to continue to invest in workforce development and career and technical education help keep to keep the state's economy and workforce strong. Now, therefore, I Anthony S. Ford, by virtual authority, invest in me as the mayor of the great city of Star Villa, Georgia. Now, on behalf of City Council members Ellen Alexander Alanda, Barber, John Blood, Kesigan, and Fonzul Thomas, who hereby recognize September. [0:14:10, 0:14:30]: As Workforce Development Month in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. We urge all citizens to become familiar with the services and benefits offered by career and technical education at Southern Crescent Technical College and the city's economic development team. A witness thereof, I have hereunto set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, 11th day of September, year of our Lord, 2023. [0:14:30, 0:14:32]: gonna sign this along with a click and as hell. [0:14:33, 0:14:35]: Thank you so much. [0:14:36, 0:14:37]: Can you? [0:14:38, 0:14:49]: I don't know if you you probably think initial comments you cover kind of both these areas anyway, but just in case now you all come on, come on, come on, team, come on up and take a picture here. Okay? [0:14:52, 0:14:56]: We can tighten up a little bit first, come on down this way. [0:15:04, 0:15:06]: Thank you. [0:15:16, 0:15:36]: Now I have this next proclamation and this is the first time the city has issued this and I would imagine that this particular proclamation will be last uh long standing for many years to come. This deals with the poet laureate Stephen Misher, Brother Misher. And Mr. Misher happens to be one of my fraternity brothers. [0:15:36, 0:15:56]: Alpha Vilef Attorney Incorporated. Come on up, please, sir. So this is a recognition of him, this aspect and what he does and what he's done for the city Stockbridge for a community. Sir, please. You don't just have to stand come here. I love I love his colors. I gotta say that. [0:15:56, 0:16:05]: No, not so long. Okay. Come on over so please. Okay. Um. [0:16:06, 0:16:26]: Po uh poet Larry, Stephen Michael Whereas Stockbridge is enriched by artists who have who live among us, among in residents, excuse me, where am Stockbridge, where a Stockbridge is enriched by artists who live among its residents and neighbors, colleagues and friends, whereas it is appropriate for Stockbridge to recognize promote poets and poetry as one of the many artistic disciplines. [0:16:26, 0:16:46]: That enhance the quality of life for citizens. And whereas Stephen Misher is a poet, a scholar, a family man, a veteran, and he is a CEO of Poet, uh Poet Poetic Outreach that empowers and transforms Foundation. Whereas Stephen wanted inspired one inspirational poet of the year and is an author. [0:16:46, 0:17:06]: Or four poetry books, his most recent book being The ABCs of Black Heroes. And whereas he has written and recited poems for all occasions such as anniversaries, graduations, funerals, birthdays, retirements, as well as for special events such as Gospel Choice Awards. Stephen has recited numerous original works for the events in the city of Stockbridge and for such numerous. [0:17:06, 0:17:26]: Notable dignitaries. It has me, Mayor Anthony Ford, City Councilman Afonso Thomas, Congressman John Lewis, Senator Raphael Warnott, and Congressman Hank Johnson, Stacey Abrams, Ambassador Andrew Young, and the late Dr. Christine King Ferris. Now therefore, I am Anthony S. Ford by virtual authority of SB as the mayor of the city of Starbucks, Georgia. On behalf of City Council members Elton Allen. [0:17:26, 0:17:46]: Alexander Laudabarber, John Blood, KesiGantt, and Alfonso Thomas do hereby recognize Timot Misher as a poet laureate of the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and witness thereof, I have here undo set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the eleventh day of September, year of our Lord, 2023. I signed the proclamation on the law and with our clerk Vanessa Holiday. [0:17:46, 0:17:51]: [1072.5, 1085.1]: No worries, sir, for us. I would like to uh thank you, uh Brother Ford and Brother Mayor Ford, and I would like to thank the uh city of Stockbridge City Council. [0:18:05, 0:18:06]: For [0:18:06, 0:18:10]: Uh this proclamation. Uh I've been writing poetry since I was uh fifteen. [0:18:11, 0:18:18]: And uh it's always been when you have a dream, uh it's something that almost like you're called to do something. [0:18:19, 0:18:23]: You just have to do it. It's not necessarily your profession. [0:18:24, 0:18:34]: But it's just something that you feel like this is what I was put on this planet to do. And oftentimes when you're doing something like this and you have a vision, you have a dream. [0:18:34, 0:18:42]: And people can't really understand it or see it, especially when you're talking about something like a a poet. I can't tell you how many times people say, well, what do you do? [0:18:43, 0:18:44]: I'm a poet. [0:18:44, 0:18:47]: Okay, but what do you do? So and I'll be when [0:18:47, 0:18:49]: had people just tell me straight up, look [0:18:50, 0:19:03]: They don't make any money, you can't do this. But uh for me uh to continue on almost like a uh I feel like a uh someone braving against a a strong wind and you just keep going. [0:19:04, 0:19:24]: To be recognized for this, especially being that I lived in this city for 15 years and wrote a poem for the city, for you, Brother Mayor, for you're for women's history as much, for Councilman uh Thomas, for uh [0:19:24, 0:19:33]: Patty King uh also for um um the uh Greenfront Cafe. Oh yes, yeah yes. [0:19:34, 0:19:37]: Carabin Hambrick uh several times. [0:19:38, 0:19:51]: And uh also for the uh Red Oak United Methodist Church, whom I wrote for for many years. And I was doing all this for free and f in the very beginning, just doing, just writing, the dream was what propelled me. [0:19:51, 0:19:55]: So uh to have somebody tap you on the shoulder and say [0:19:56, 0:20:07]: after all you've done, congratulations. It s Florida feels like uh I guess the closest thing I can say is somebody saying, Man, you entered the Hall of Fame You know. [0:20:12, 0:20:20]: So um once again I would like to uh thank the city of Stockbridge. I would like to thank this uh [0:20:21, 0:20:25]: Most of all I would like to thank uh young lady who [0:20:25, 0:20:28]: We all just walked into the room. [0:20:28, 0:20:36]: We try to keep this together, but my uh my wife who you know it's not easy to live with somebody that [0:20:40, 0:20:44]: Take your time, my man. Take your time. Take your time. Take your time. Take your time. [0:20:45, 0:20:54]: You know, it's not easy to live with somebody that, you know, just it really has a a dream and a passion to do something. [0:20:55, 0:20:55]: But [0:20:56, 0:21:03]: Keep it a brave soldier, wherever I go, wherever it is, South Carolina, Texas, Alabama, Florida. [0:21:03, 0:21:13]: And it's been times I wake up in the middle of the night, you know baby, help me write this, help me do this. And she's just a loyal soldier without she doesn't ask any she just like, let's go, let's do it. [0:21:14, 0:21:30]: And uh I really, really do thank uh Lis Lashonda, my my wife for just being a brave and loyal soulmate uh for my dreams and a constant, just constant cheerleader. Uh is almost [0:21:32, 0:21:52]: And you can imagine somebody being in the corner like like a boxer, a trainer. And she's just like, babe, you could get it. You could get it. You're the best poet in the world. You're the best poet in the world. Nobody can touch you. And uh I went from just just writing, just to be writing to she said, get a website, get business. [0:21:52, 0:21:57]: cards you could do this you need to charge people for this you that good [0:21:58, 0:22:18]: And uh so yes, I really, really uh every now and then you get landmarks just to show you just wow you'll really travel. So this proclamation it does mean a lot to me. And uh thank you. We'll take some pictures of you want. [0:22:18, 0:22:21]: uh the wife can join in the pictures or someone else can take the [0:22:21, 0:22:21]: Yeah. [0:22:23, 0:22:29]: What you may want to take your mask off too and come up. Okay. She's a method guy. [0:22:32, 0:22:36]: Appreciate it. Brown, we we appreciate you all by the what you're doing. [0:22:37, 0:22:37]: Okay. [0:22:58, 0:23:05]: Yeah. And uh this is very [0:23:07, 0:23:12]: Yeah, it's one of your right. [0:23:14, 0:23:19]: Okay. [0:23:23, 0:23:26]: Thank you for me. Three seconds, three seconds. [0:23:31, 0:23:36]: My next proclamation deals with National Hispanic Heritage Month. Is anyone here to receive that? [0:23:37, 0:23:57]: Okay. Alright, well I'm gonna read it anyway, right? Okay. So in recognition of National Hispanic Heritage Month, whereas each year the American observes National Hispanic Heritage Month from September 15th to October 15th by celebrating the histories, cultures, and contributions of American citizens whose ancestors came from Spain, Mexico, Caribbean, [0:23:57, 0:24:17]: Central and South America. Whereas the day of September 15th is significant because it's the anniversary of the independence of our Latin American countries, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Gualamala, Honduras, Nicaragua. In addition, Mexico and Chile celebrate their celebrate their independence days on September 16th and September 18th, respectively. [0:24:17, 0:24:20]: Also Columbus Day, Illalow Rasa. [0:24:20, 0:24:22]: Which is October twelfth falls within a thirty day period. [0:24:23, 0:24:43]: Whereas Hispanic Americans embrace the promise of the United States that a better life should await anyone willing to work for it and a love for liberty and justice that this country promises to all. Whereas this year's thing is Tudos Losos Losos Uno. We are all, we are one. Obviously, you realize. [0:24:43, 0:25:03]: I don't speak Spanish. And whereas the City of Starby supports the Hispanic community and acknowledges National Hispanic Heritage Month and encourages everyone to participate in the festivities throughout your community. Now therefore I, Anthony Spore, by virtual authority visit meet as the mayor of the city of Star Bay of Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members, Elton, Alexander, Langa, Barber, John, Blanc, Kisha Gan, and Fonsal. [0:25:03, 0:25:23]: Thomas, we hereby proclaim september fifteenth, october fifteenth, twenty twenty three as National Hispanic Heritage Month in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. In witness thereof I have hereundo set my hand in the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the 11th day of September, year of our Lord, two thousand twenty three, and I signed a proclamation along with our Croix Vanessa Holiday. [0:25:23, 0:25:43]: Mayor, I have the owner of Rico's Mexican restaurant. Oh okay, come on. Yeah, please. Come on. Absolutely. I did not realize that, but here. Um I appreciate business owners within the city style bridge as well. That's fantastic. Absolutely. [0:25:43, 0:26:03]: Absolutely. So on that note, before we take a picture, I'll give this to you, right? And then now the floor is yours if we have anything you want to say. Okay, sure. Go ahead. Uh we've been part of the community for over twenty years and just excited to to be on uh uh at this moment right now. So thank y'all very much. Okay. [0:26:03, 0:26:16]: Okay. Yeah, come on this way, take a picture. Watch yourself, watch yourself. Yeah. This is very important. I'll hide it in work. [0:26:24, 0:26:37]: Thank you. Thank you very much. No, yeah, that's yours. Absolutely. Thank you. Congratulations on the Catholic Towns. Yes, congratulations. [0:26:40, 0:27:00]: The um this past September 7th, past Thursday, uh we had our inauguration for citizens, police advisors, council members were sworn in this past Thursday. I believe they're sworn in by Mary for Tim Barber here on Thursday. Okay. But I want to acknowledge the fact that they they chose several officers uh for that organization. Stephen Moon is actually chair. [0:27:00, 0:27:14]: of that particular citizen police advisory council. Dr. Thomas Smith is the vice chair and Mr. William Daniels is the secretary. So just want to acknowledge those individuals as well for being sworn in and taking on those leadership positions. [0:27:16, 0:27:30]: Um we have some um let me ask let me ask you this. I uh proclamation Constitution Week. Someone's here to receive that? No? I read that earlier. I just want to double check. Okay. All right. So on that note I have um [0:27:31, 0:27:45]: Several swearing ins that we need to do here. And um these are all youth council members. Okay. So uh let's see here. Gavin Bradley. [0:27:45, 0:27:47]: Come on up to it. [0:27:53, 0:27:55]: Alejandra Pocket? [0:28:01, 0:28:02]: Dana Simpson? [0:28:08, 0:28:09]: We had a hub. [0:28:14, 0:28:15]: Rihanna Augustine. [0:28:20, 0:28:25]: And Gabriella and Dona? And Deno? And Dino, come on up here. [0:28:27, 0:28:28]: You can. [0:28:28, 0:28:38]: Fantastic. Our our youth council, our new abductees, is gonna swear my our youth council here for this season. Yeah, we wanna slide on down a little bit, folks. Yeah, that's right. [0:28:41, 0:28:52]: And I'm going to ask you to uh raise your right hand, right? And I'm asking to repeat after me. I'll take a small little snippets there so you can repeat after me. Aye, state your name. [0:28:54, 0:29:14]: Do solemnly swear? Do solemnly swear that I will support and uphold? And defend the Constitution of the United States of America. And the laws thereof that I will support uphold and defend the Constitution and Laws of the State of Georgia. [0:29:14, 0:29:17]: Of the state of Georgia. Inconsistent? [0:29:17, 0:29:23]: I existed. Therewith. Therewith. I will obey. I will obey that I will observe. [0:29:23, 0:29:43]: That I will observe and obey the laws and ordinances of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, of the City of Stockbridge, Georgia, that I will faithfully perform and discharge the duties incumbent upon me as a member of the City of Stockbridge Youth Council. [0:29:43, 0:30:00]: Fairly and honestly to the best of my skill and ability. So help me God. So help me God. This is set this is the eleventh day of September. This is the eleventh day of September. Congratulations. [0:30:01, 0:30:05]: [1806.3, 1817.6]: Now what position I will I will I have to sign these along with you all, so we have to sign these in uh in call officer here. So uh see [0:30:19, 0:30:27]: What's gonna happen, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be taking our signature if we take the pictures and uh imagine that uh [0:30:28, 0:30:40]: You write down on Joker. Absolutely, you write down the script and there, you're in my district. And I'm also assuming that the [0:30:40, 0:30:46]: No council and they will have support. Building as a case. [0:31:13, 0:31:14]: How you doing? [0:31:15, 0:31:18]: You're gonna be next. You're next. [0:32:00, 0:32:01]: Yeah. [0:32:23, 0:32:30]: As we as we want to stand, do you have any other thoughts or words that you want to mention everybody? [0:32:31, 0:32:40]: I don't know if you all follow something over here, but I'm just so excited to reach the youth on the youth council you're gonna have it's it's gonna be a lot of work. [0:32:44, 0:32:46]: You don't have that and into your [0:32:47, 0:32:48]: Holding the [0:32:48, 0:32:51]: Grab hold of everything that we can teach you and we like. [0:32:55, 0:33:01]: Right there, she's like um words of wisdom is um [0:33:03, 0:33:05]: Just come in the authentic self. [0:33:05, 0:33:15]: Right. Um there is a lot of trending aspects people are trying to become like other people. And you were chosen for this spot to bring you yourself. [0:33:16, 0:33:35]: You know, we don't want uh duplicates of anything. So um be open to what's available to you. Um allow the adults to guide you, but we want to hear from you too because we learn from you as well. So just just be open and just receive what's available to you. And congratulations to everybody. Thank you. [0:33:37, 0:33:57]: So new members of the new council, any comments that y'all anybody want to say anything at all? The floor will be yours and then we'll if not, I mean you can. If not, how about the parents? Anything you need to say at this point before we take this final picture here? Anything? Thank you guys so much for you. Okay, you're welcome. Thank you for the word Okay. Okay, good. Anybody else? [0:33:57, 0:34:08]: Uh we're gonna okay, well it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. That we're gonna be interested with all these people here to get uh Okay, come on down for we're gonna have to kinda go a couple people deep while we imagine. Okay, come on down. [0:34:09, 0:34:12]: All right, come on, squeeze on down here. [0:34:13, 0:34:23]: Okay. Okay to we this might be blackness of clothes. Let me let me be happy here. Someone is a little bit no no I'll give that. [0:34:35, 0:34:38]: Sorry, okay. [0:34:40, 0:34:44]: I do this one, okay. [0:34:45, 0:34:47]: Okay, yeah. [0:34:54, 0:34:56]: Well, maybe that's the same. [0:35:15, 0:35:16]: Okay. [0:35:16, 0:35:32]: And we'll uh we'll get started with our council meeting in a few minutes here, folks. Uh we it'll give us about five minutes of easy to uh regroup and get started. Okay? Uh thank you. Uh three. Let me see here. Let me get the number here. [0:35:34, 0:35:35]: Yeah. [0:36:52, 0:36:53]: Yeah. [0:37:09, 0:37:15]: [2275.0, 2280.0]: Yeah, right. So the rest of the [0:38:22, 0:38:24]: Yeah. [0:39:50, 0:39:51]: [2409.8, 2410.1]: Yeah. [0:41:12, 0:41:12]: Besides. [0:41:47, 0:41:52]: [2512.8, 2513.6]: Yeah. [0:41:54, 0:41:55]: Yeah. [0:42:01, 0:42:06]: So it's probably [0:42:52, 0:42:54]: Yeah, that's an office when we start. [0:43:10, 0:43:11]: Yeah. [0:43:12, 0:43:15]: So [0:43:25, 0:43:30]: All right, Council, let's uh let's get started with our meeting, please. Council, please come to dias. [0:43:52, 0:43:54]: Council, please come to die so we can get started in a meeting. [0:44:07, 0:44:27]: Alright, ladies and gentlemen, um, this is Monday, September 11th, 2023, for a city council meeting. I have six eleven, and it's pretty uh pretty ironic. Uh September eleventh, twenty-two years ago, we had an attack on our nation, and it's now six twelve. Okay. So anyway, we'll get [0:44:27, 0:44:29]: started on a meeting, like the call to work. [0:44:30, 0:44:35]: The invocation, if you can please stand, Miss Paula Neely, please come forward. [0:44:40, 0:44:45]: Miss Nealy, you need to turn the mic around if you can uh speak into the mic there, if you could. [0:44:47, 0:44:50]: Thank you very much. Thank you. [0:44:51, 0:44:57]: Let us pray. O magnify the Lord with me and let us exalt his name together and [0:44:57, 0:45:01]: Dear Heavenly Father, we come this evening grateful and thankful for another day. [0:45:02, 0:45:07]: Twenty two years ago there was an attack on our nation, but today we're grateful and thankful for [0:45:07, 0:45:08]: That all is well. [0:45:08, 0:45:16]: There's so much going on. Be in the midst of this meeting. Continue to lead, God, and connect our community and city together. [0:45:16, 0:45:18]: We love you and we thank you for every blessing. [0:45:18, 0:45:23]: Bless everyone that is here tonight, those that that desire to come but are not here. [0:45:23, 0:45:29]: And just be in the midst. We love you and we thank you for every good deed and perfect gift which comes from you. [0:45:29, 0:45:49]: Thank you, Lord. These and all blessings we ask in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen, amen, and thank God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God in the midst of the world. [0:45:49, 0:45:52]: with liberty and justice for all. [0:45:54, 0:45:56]: Madam McClerk, roll call, please. [0:45:58, 0:46:08]: Mayor Ford. Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. [0:46:09, 0:46:29]: Let the record reflect Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Thomas. Mayor Ford, you have a call. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Council, I need a couple things need to happen here. I got a motion to amend the agenda, which means to remove the public hearing items regarding the Valley Hill Road development item number 12, 13, and 14. The actual developer deferred this until the [0:46:29, 0:46:31]: November thirteenth council meeting. [0:46:36, 0:46:43]: Uh November thirteenth, yes. November thirteenth council meeting wanna defer that. This developers wants to defer that. So moved. Is there a second? [0:46:45, 0:46:46]: Okay, on fair please indicate. [0:46:47, 0:46:52]: Thank you very much. Okay. On that note, those will those be s heard on the thirteenth of November. [0:46:53, 0:46:55]: a public hearing and [0:46:57, 0:47:12]: Thirteenth of November, right? Thirteenth of November. And now, um in reference to let's see here. And I guess what it amounts to is that uh Mayor Potem, you had something you wanna you wanna amend here? Yes, sir. [0:47:13, 0:47:15]: I wanna make a motion to amend the agenda. [0:47:16, 0:47:16]: To [0:47:17, 0:47:22]: Request to use um the Merl Manders Conference Center, the lower level. [0:47:22, 0:47:24]: On Monday, October second. [0:47:24, 0:47:29]: For a council initiative, Breast Friends, Breast Health Awareness Event. [0:47:31, 0:47:33]: And also October ninth. [0:47:34, 0:47:36]: I just want to add the item to the agenda. [0:47:37, 0:47:40]: Okay, is there a second to that uh amendment? [0:47:41, 0:48:00]: Is there a second to that amendment? I have a question. I thought we just get to automatically use it during the week. We didn't need approval for that. Well, I okay, that uh normally that's what happens there. I I know that I have some initiatives that I've I've uh didn't I didn't ask the council because I went on and took care of it out of the initiative fund. So [0:48:00, 0:48:05]: But uh if if you all want to second that motion we can go we can go down and approve that. [0:48:06, 0:48:10]: The dates once again, I'm sorry. [0:48:11, 0:48:20]: Well you got to I just want approval to use the Merl Manders for October second and October ninth downstairs. [0:48:21, 0:48:24]: Okay, Mr. Blount secondhand. All in favor, please indicate. [0:48:25, 0:48:29]: Okay, we'll take that as item number eighteen, near the end of new business. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. [0:48:30, 0:48:50]: All right, on that note I need a motion to the adopt the remaining part of the agenda, please. So moved. Is there a second? Mr. Mr. Thomas second that all in favor, please indicate. Thank you very much. Unanimous decision. Okay. What you have before you uh council would be the adoption of the minutes, council meeting minutes of uh July 10th. [0:48:50, 0:48:56]: Public hearing draft minutes of the July eighteenth, two July eighteenth, one at nine and one at six PM [0:48:56, 0:48:59]: The work session draft minutes of July twenty fifth. [0:48:59, 0:49:02]: In a public hearing draft minutes of the twenty seventh. [0:49:02, 0:49:08]: If there are no particular changes to that, I need a motion to adopt of all those minutes, please. So moved. Mr. Alzheimer's, is there a second? [0:49:09, 0:49:12]: Um Mr. Blount second there. All in favor, please indicate. [0:49:12, 0:49:16]: Good nancy Susan, thank you very much. Okay. Yes, sir. [0:49:16, 0:49:27]: When you press the move, you're talking about thirteen and fourteen twelve thir uh twelve, thirteen, and fourteen have been removed till November thirteenth. Okay. Uh on that note, Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments? [0:49:28, 0:49:48]: Okay, thank you. In reference to ceremonial review, uh today, ladies and gentlemen, we had several different proclamations um that are read and we issued out as a city. Uh first of all, I just wanted to make uh note it wasn't a proclamation for the nine eleven remembrancer, but we did have conducted in front of the city hall earlier uh this morning starting at eight o'clock and obviously twenty [0:49:48, 0:50:08]: Twenty-two years ago today, our nation was attacked uh by terrorists in uh four different locations that kicked us off into this uh uh a war on terrorism. Uh so uh we honored and paid homage and remembered uh the victims of the 9-11 uh terrorist attack earlier this morning here in front of City Hall. And um [0:50:08, 0:50:24]: So obviously since we'll never forget and also obviously freedom's not free, so we wanna make sure that you continue to keep in prayer the individuals that lost their lives, the families that lost their loved ones as they continue to deal with that over the course of the rest of their lives that the loved ones uh had perished. Um [0:50:25, 0:50:29]: in their tax at New York and both the North and South Tyre, the World Trade Center. [0:50:29, 0:50:45]: the Pentagon as well as in the the Western Pennsylvania field there where the plane crashed. So continue to keep those those citizens and matter of fact they're just not US citizens. There are a lot of there are diff uh 43 different countries that are affected by this terrorist attack on our soil twenty two years ago. [0:50:45, 0:50:48]: Well over about twenty seven hundred people, actually. [0:50:49, 0:51:09]: We did a swearing of the of our new uh youth council members. We have six new uh individuals, youth council members uh that are uh starting off this year and be part of the Stockbridge Youth Council. Now I'm gonna attempt to to pronounce these names. Ayana Augustine, Augustine, Layla Simpson, Gavin Bradley, Gabriella Instagram. [0:51:08, 0:51:12]: And d dingle, Rihanna Howe, and Andrew [0:51:12, 0:51:32]: Hilandra Hogate, if I got to pronounce right. Okay. Also, we had the Southern Crescent Technical College. Dr. Irvin Clark was here along with one of his presidents. And they are they are the technical college that's in uh in the area. And uh we've uh actually issued the upscale Stockbridge Proclamation. [0:51:32, 0:51:52]: proclamation uh proclamation of them too and it's an issue that the discussion that we'll have later on this evening uh during the council here and where we we the city of Stockbridge is is is collaborating with the Southern Crescent Technical College in reference to getting individuals uh skills certain skill training. And also the Workforce Development Month the proclamation was also read and given to Dr. [0:51:52, 0:52:12]: Dr. Clark. And I um so we we did that. We honored Hispanic Heritage Month proclamations. We were able to give that particular proclamation to owners of a wonderful restaurant. And uh so we did that, and then we recognized our [0:52:12, 0:52:20]: First uh city poet laureate, Stephen uh Misher. And uh so we recognize him as well. [0:52:20, 0:52:40]: Okay. The um a review, the swearing in of the Citizens Police Advisory Council members. Um there I believe it's twelve members were sworn in on September seventh at the police uh office, forty five forty five North Henry Boulevard, our our at our Starbury's police department. And that swearing in was conducted uh by uh Mayor Pro Tem Barber. [0:52:40, 0:52:55]: And out of that group uh there are uh three additional individuals took on leadership positions. Uh Stephen Moon is the chair, Dr. Thomas Smith the Vice Chair, and Doctor William Daniels would be the secretary out of that group. Okay. Uh let's see here. [0:52:57, 0:53:12]: And now I have pr a presentation, uh presentation on public safety camera initiative for high crime areas and new developments, ordinance, best practices and insights from similar cities. Presentation by our police chief, uh Chief Tremor. [0:53:13, 0:53:13]: Sir. [0:53:26, 0:53:27]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Evening. [0:54:03, 0:54:05]: All right. I will um [0:54:08, 0:54:22]: be very brief with this and we'll uh reserve any questions you all have until the end. Um as you are aware, Dr. Anderson had written a grant that uh allowed us to implement and uh potentially will allow us to expand upon [0:54:22, 0:54:26]: Ar camber network system in the city that grant that we received. [0:54:26, 0:54:33]: Is enabling us to uh install this year fourteen flock cameras to supplement the over hundred flock cameras that are already. [0:54:33, 0:54:37]: inside the city of uh Stock or inside of Henry County. [0:54:37, 0:54:57]: And we have with us this evening Mr. Cam Reed, who's a representative uh for Flock, and he's here to also present some information briefly, uh, but more importantly to answer any questions that the council may have as it relates to their um as as it relates to the implementation of these within uh the community. So as was requested. [0:54:57, 0:55:00]: [3301.2, 3321.2]: The council wanted to know a little bit more about uh legislation that had been put in place to require surveillance cameras and flock cameras within uh various different cities and municipalities and uh government entities. And so we've done some research. Dr. Anderson has pulled together some research and we've pulled together a very brief presentation for you. [0:55:21, 0:55:41]: This evening. Obviously, the installation of surveillance cameras or ALPR technology goes towards the city's mission of enhancing the quality of lives of members of our community. These are valuable tools to law enforcement. Some of the benefits include reduction in crime. There's actually some statistics that validate increasing. [0:55:41, 0:56:01]: Correlate camera implementation and reduce crime rates in monitored areas. They obviously have a deterrence value in discouraging offenders from engaging in criminal behavior. And then also it's an extremely valuable tool after the fact in terms of evidence collection, including facial features, vehicle details, and things along those lines. There are several local entity. [0:56:01, 0:56:09]: That have recently adopted ordinances governing surveillance. And I wanted to talk first about the City of Atlanta's policy. [0:56:09, 0:56:29]: Now their ordinance, they have two ordinances actually as it relates to the installation of uh surveillance technology within their city, and the first one that they implemented applies only to gas stations and convenience stores. Um the areas do not include the interior of the business, only the exterior of the business, areas surrounding the fuel pumps. [0:56:29, 0:56:49]: Um one of the things that we have to be mindful for no matter what direction we move forward in uh is that we cannot prescribe specific manufacturers or camera types. Uh those are things we can set specific uh specifications. However, we can't uh say as an example that somebody has to go with Flock or they have to go with another. [0:56:49, 0:56:51]: Um provider. [0:56:51, 0:56:53]: The um [0:56:53, 0:56:58]: Stipulations of that is that the cameras have to be in working order at all times, providing twenty four seven coverage. [0:56:58, 0:57:05]: Um they have to be active and operational during business hours is what the city of Atlanta requires. There's some other ordinances we'll look at here in a moment. [0:57:05, 0:57:25]: That uh requires continual training or uh recording rather than 24-7. There has to be a redundancy system in place as per their ordinance, and it's a condition of obtaining renewal of their business license. So in order to renew the business license, they have to show compliance with uh this. One of the things that is not addressed in there is uh enforcement. [0:57:25, 0:57:28]: So there's currently not an instrument for inspection or enforcement. [0:57:29, 0:57:36]: To follow along with this, um, they've implemented a n different ordinance and this ordinance applies to new um [0:57:36, 0:57:39]: commercial developments and so they've amended their building code. [0:57:40, 0:57:42]: And within that the [0:57:42, 0:57:44]: Policy basically says that [0:57:45, 0:58:05]: Any business over twenty five thousand square feet, with the exclusion of um places of worship, has to have the infrastructure in place in order to be able to install the cameras. Uh it doesn't mandate that they install the cameras, but it's saying that they have to have the infrastructure and the capability in place to do so as per um [0:58:04, 0:58:06]: the building requirements. [0:58:06, 0:58:11]: This only applies to new developments and it does not apply retroactively. [0:58:11, 0:58:15]: Now, probably one of the most comprehensive policies is the Cab County. [0:58:16, 0:58:21]: They have some of these similar things, but their ordinance actually um applies to [0:58:21, 0:58:41]: Uh convenience stores, not just gas stations, but any convenience store, and you can see how they define that, but also monitored businesses. And what they mean by monitored businesses, they've defined that as any business where there's been three or more calls for police service within the past thirty days. Those locations could be um deemed to be monitored businesses and then would be required to implement uh some sort of [0:58:41, 0:58:55]: sort of camera system within their business. Uh or if it's a location where there's a high instance uh or even a significant instance of uh a serious violent crime there could be required for them to implement that technology. [0:58:55, 0:59:00]: Uh as was mentioned with the City of Atlanta policy, the decab ordinance requires twenty four seven recording. [0:59:01, 0:59:03]: Um there's minimum camera. [0:59:03, 0:59:04]: Technology. [0:59:05, 0:59:07]: uh specifications that have to be in place. [0:59:08, 0:59:16]: And um again it's a condition of renewal of their uh business license in order to be able to um [0:59:16, 0:59:18]: operate in DeCamp County. [0:59:19, 0:59:39]: Some minimum standards, and I won't spend a lot of time for this, but you can see they've clearly defined uh where the cameras have to be placed. So into Cab County, any business that meets these requirements or stipulations has to have a camera at each register. At the entrances, exits to the business. At gas pumps, if it's a fueling station, at loading docks, parking lots, all entrances and exits. [0:59:39, 0:59:45]: Exits and the cameras have to be unobstructed. So you can see it's pretty comprehensive in terms of what they require. [0:59:45, 1:00:05]: Uh the camera technology, it specifies uh what type of technology, what the standards are, the record recording capability has to be able to record at greater than seventy-five feet. Um it has to be in terms of storage of the device, has to be kept in a secure, remote location and provide for continuous uh recording over a period of sixty days. So you have [1:00:05, 1:00:19]: And the other thing is that they are are requiring that the recordings be made available to law enforcement within a seventy-two hour window. And if they don't, then there are um [1:00:20, 1:00:24]: fines and and things that the business could face if they don't comply with that regulation. [1:00:25, 1:00:34]: Um considerations that they addressed in their policy is shared space because we know obviously there are some businesses that do have shared fa space, so there's a mechanism in place in order to be able to regulate that. [1:00:35, 1:00:40]: Um inspections. Uh all of the new businesses have to be inspected and one of the things that [1:00:40, 1:00:44]: The Cab County does is that they actually put this on their code enforcement. [1:00:44, 1:00:56]: And they've actually had to hire six additional code enforcement officers in order to be able to regulate this because it's required, you know, there are literally hundreds of businesses in DeCab County that have to meet this requirement. So um [1:00:57, 1:01:01]: Uh they're ha you know, they they recognize that that's one of the things they have to do in order to be able to [1:01:01, 1:01:10]: um enforce that. The other thing that they've done is they've um allotted some additional funding for specialists um on their commercial enforcement team is which they call it. [1:01:10, 1:01:22]: to um in terms of what to look for during the the inspections because not everybody is going to be familiar with all the technical specifications that are required by way of the ordinance so there's some training involved uh as it relates to that. [1:01:23, 1:01:24]: And [1:01:24, 1:01:29]: The city of Houston was another that has pretty comprehensive um uh policy. [1:01:29, 1:01:49]: The City of Houston's initiative is called One Safe Houston. And what they've decided is that any bars, nightclubs, sexually oriented businesses, convenience stores, and game rooms, that's their requirement for these businesses. They're of course responsible for the cost of installation associated with their particular businesses. They have to have a clear and unobstructed. [1:01:49, 1:02:09]: A view from the exterior to the property line of that business. There's some technical capabilities which we'll skip over for time's sake here. One of the things that their policy stipulates it has to be capable of exporting video. So there has to be a way in order to download that so that it's available for law enforcement. The video has to be in color footage, has to be provided upon request within 72 hours, and they have to maintain the video. [1:02:09, 1:02:17]: Maintained for a minimum of 30 days. And one of their requirements is they put signage up indicating that there's actually surveillance in progress there. [1:02:18, 1:02:38]: Um failure to comply with the requirement to provide video footage. There's a fine that they've assessed in their ordinance of five hundred dollars a day. There's a graduated fee schedule for noncompliance. Uh the business license can also be revoked if they're not in compliance with the standards that have been placed, and the authority is vested with the police department, as is the case with uh many of these. As it relates to [1:02:38, 1:02:58]: potential downsides. There are a lot of advantages that relates to camera policies, but some of the things that we've seen come up is one, the legal concern. There's been some argument in terms of uh perhaps circumvention of a warrant requirement mandating people to supply video footage. So that's something that we'd obviously have to get a legal opinion on in terms of [1:02:58, 1:03:18]: Of uh the legality of that if we decide to move forward. Uh there's also of concern the financial burden that it would place on uh businesses in order to implement this technology. That's a consideration uh that has to be taken into consideration. And then two, the regulatory complexity, meaning that if we institute this, we have to have a mechanism in place in order to be able to regulate that. So that means [1:03:18, 1:03:24]: means that we're gonna have to expand our capacity to be able to do so if it's something that we intend to implement. [1:03:24, 1:03:37]: Now, um this speaks specifically to surveillance cameras. The automated license plate reader flock, that's something a little bit different. Uh but Mr. Reed uh was sharing with me that the city of Bloomingdale [1:03:37, 1:03:57]: Um does have something in their building codes where they do require new businesses to implement the ALPR cameras there. Um it's on the business during the first year of development, however, it's something that the city of Bloomingdale absorbs in subsequent years. That does not have to be the case, that's just the arrangement that's been made there. And he may be able to speak a little more specifically to that. [1:03:57, 1:04:17]: But before I have Mr. Reed up to share with you some specific information, because I know Councilman Blount had some questions about the ALPR system that Mr. Reed may be able to speak to, I wanted to pause here for a moment to see if there were any questions from the council uh regarding this initiative and if there's anything further that you all would like to do in furtherance of this. [1:04:17, 1:04:22]: Yeah, thanks Chief. And I'll start this off here. I might have missed it, so f shame on me if I did. [1:04:22, 1:04:42]: What happens if you have businesses that already have cameras installed right now? All right. And and these cameras happen to be not of the tech uh the capability that you're at that you're kind of mentioning in some of these examples. They're not quite a high tech that to be use uh that would be really useful for us to help protect them in this aspect. Have we [1:04:42, 1:04:47]: thought about that or s or is or did I miss something here in reference how how do you want to deal with that? [1:04:47, 1:05:07]: We y we could. It it's entirely as you can see, there are different stipulations depending on the the city, so it's what we decide. Um there there's valid reasons for having specified requirements because if you have a system in place and it doesn't have good video quality or doesn't have the capability of exporting video, then it it's it's just something that's [1:05:07, 1:05:27]: Nice to have it's not really practically useful uh for purposes of investigation. It may serve at a turn effect. Um, we could, as DeCab County does, if uh businesses are currently not in compliance and they give them a period of time once they've identified that the cameras are out of compliance to come into compliance with the uh specifications they've listed there. And um uh [1:05:27, 1:05:31]: Once they show proof of compliance with that, then they would be eligible for the renewal of their business license. Okay. [1:05:32, 1:05:34]: Yes, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead, Mr. Blount. [1:05:34, 1:05:54]: Uh thank you for the uh presentation, uh Chief. Because we're talking about two different type cameras. Are we uh are we able to enter on both the flock and the surveillance um cameras at the same time? Or are we gonna wait on the flock and do that separately? Uh we certainly can. Uh Mr. Reed had a [1:05:54, 1:06:14]: very brief uh presentation, just kinda overview of what Flock was. But if you would rather he just address your questions, we certainly can do that. Let's wait for a second. Let's make sure that to see if there's another question from the council in reference specifically to what you said, Chief, before we go to Flock. Just make sure we cover cover that down first. You got to Well let me ask a question on that. Uh on on the surveillance and when we talk about businesses [1:06:14, 1:06:34]: Uh and I'm I'm the mayor kinda stole my thunder. I wish he had let me go first. But uh those are my concerns also because if systematically we inst we we require that for the businesses, um I think that we'll have time we we should look at some of the things in [1:06:34, 1:06:54]: maybe Mr. Garner can speak to it that maybe there's some businesses that aren't doing as well. And and you did talk about how businesses are it it would be a cost to them. Uh now I don't know what what the residual cost would be versus what the installation cost would be. Because a lot of times, you know, the up the up [1:06:54, 1:07:10]: Upfront cost is usually the greater cost than the residual cost. So do you is there any way you guys can know what the upfront costs and what the residual cost would kind of uh on average would be by looking at other other areas of per business? [1:07:11, 1:07:27]: Yeah, it would be difficult to to estimate that, I believe. Um the good thing is is that where we are now as a society that these systems are a lot more affordable than they were previously. And um I I think that they're relatively affordable, but it again it depends on [1:07:27, 1:07:30]: What stipulations we put in place, as was mentioned with the Cab County. [1:07:30, 1:07:35]: have a pretty robust ordinance so if you're a business and you're required to have cameras on the entry and exits [1:07:35, 1:07:43]: of both your parking lot and into the business and also on all points of sales, on your fuel tank. So if you're talking about a business like that. [1:07:43, 1:07:50]: that cost is obviously gonna be more expensive than if you have, um, you know, a mom and pop business and um [1:07:51, 1:07:51]: Uh [1:07:52, 1:08:03]: Generally if you have something like that, it probably wouldn't apply to the specific business, but more the shopping plaza to make sure that they have those things in place. So that's something that would have to be worked through with the management company as it relates to that. [1:08:03, 1:08:20]: Okay, well the last question on on um the surveillance camera. If if there's something that happens and we there's a system in place and st you know, strategically, why are we doing is seventy two hours the the the actual time that that's kinda crossed the board? [1:08:21, 1:08:26]: That's what we've seen through the ordinances that have been legislated. Um I'll tell you in [1:08:27, 1:08:29]: Uh Corporal Jordan, who's one of our [1:08:30, 1:08:32]: major crimes investigators to tell you is that [1:08:32, 1:08:40]: A lot of times businesses are not always cooperative in getting you the information uh that you need, and even in cases if we have a homicide someplace. [1:08:40, 1:08:47]: We are relying on them to give us that information. If they don't want to give us that information, the mechanism we have in place right now is we have to write a search warrant. [1:08:47, 1:08:53]: They have a D V R recorder that only keeps the video for seven days. By the time that we get a search warrant and get that information, [1:08:54, 1:09:14]: That could be lost, and so we're losing valuable evidence by virtue of some of the challenges we have. There are other businesses that are more cooperative than others, but I think the 72 hours is a good time frame. It allows the business owner to be able to come in because a lot of times what we find is not everybody at the business is familiar with how to operate the system. So there's only a couple of trained folks, so it does take [1:09:13, 1:09:18]: [4159.3, 4172.0]: defined window, I think it's a good place to start. It's something that we could potentially expand if we do decide that we want to legislate that. But um that's that's what we've seen in looking at the case studies that we've explored so far. [1:09:32, 1:09:52]: Okay. I'm fine. Mr. Alexander, you have some questions, sir? Yeah, I just want to say I thank you for the presentation. I certainly concur and lean toward more toward the the the the comprehensive model and then the one uh that you showed us for Houston has specified the video specs of ten eighty, which is the clarity on what you would need. [1:09:52, 1:10:12]: Not necessarily certainly not the brand, but the clarity. I think you made a point in your previous presentation about businesses that were deemed nuisances or businesses where we had people who were being repeatedly victimized at those locations, those would be the monitored businesses, correct? [1:10:12, 1:10:25]: So if if we legislate that we could like with the Cab County say that if you've had this many calls for service over a defined period of time, you could be uh a a business that has to be a monitored business. Now one of the things that they do have in place [1:10:25, 1:10:28]: is a mechanism that if these businesses actually [1:10:28, 1:10:34]: improve their practices, install lighting, clean up their business, don't allow these things to happen and over a period of time. [1:10:34, 1:10:51]: their call goes down, then um it would not then require them to uh it it you know adhere to those uh stipulations. And I would say to that is that that would be for existing businesses. But in my my judgment, I would say all new development [1:10:52, 1:11:12]: would be required to do the more comprehensive. The people who have already been existing and they would have to upgrade to uh what that standard was and be complied if they had were causing nuisances. But any new business or new development going forward, it would seem as though that would be part of the startup package for the business that they would install the [1:11:12, 1:11:32]: cameras uh for safety because you know even though a business has not been a problem or has not been a problem, something can always happen. And it always happens, especially with us being along the interstate. You know, these criminals, they pop in off the interstate, make something happen, and then they disappear, we don't have any evidence of that. [1:11:32, 1:11:52]: But if we had the cameras at these stations, particularly I think you pointed out Highway 138, that area. Or we had some issues, certainly I would be looking uh leaning toward doing that uh for existing businesses with the monitoring, but certainly uh with all new development. That's that that kind of. [1:11:51, 1:12:05]: It's kinda gonna be up to us how to proceed at this point, yeah. It it is. So this is a presentation. If the council elects to move forward with this, we would then work to actually write up a draft ordinance that we could present to council and [1:12:05, 1:12:25]: Get some feedback from you all in terms of what we decide to do moving forward. Well, the the uh last question that I have is you stated some statistics that show that these cameras do actually reduce the incidences of crime. So having a citywide camera network certainly would enhance our ability to keep the community safe. [1:12:25, 1:12:26]: Safe, correct? [1:12:26, 1:12:27]: Yes. [1:12:28, 1:12:28]: Thank you. [1:12:28, 1:12:48]: Ms. Gann, go ahead, please. Thank you. Uh I just wanted to make sure I got this right. You you did mention maybe not every single business, but like let's say it's in a shopping plaza, um, for instance, new development, that maybe we should consider that as a requirement. I'm wondering i I just [1:12:48, 1:13:08]: want to make sure for clarity purposes that you think uh well I guess I I should ask do you think that it's necessary for each business to have a flat camera or is it for a big shopping plaza and what cameras we already have like [1:13:08, 1:13:28]: like what cameras are funded through the city already on the main, you know, intersections and roads. And then we require those larger shopping plazas to do so. My concern is mom and pops can't uh be nickel dime for every single little thing that would, you know, sells and used to be. [1:13:28, 1:13:48]: tax and everything else that they have to pay for right now um is extremely expensive. So what is it what would be advantageous would be enough cameras, so to speak, would be re within reason. Right. And let me clarify, I wasn't saying that every business in the city this would be a requirement. Um I I think that would be [1:13:48, 1:13:49]: Um [1:13:50, 1:13:51]: Perhaps too much. [1:13:51, 1:13:58]: The thing that we really need to look at is where's crime occurring at, where are we having these issues at? Where where are our highest calls for service? [1:13:59, 1:14:19]: And uh those those locations we would require that they install the uh camera systems as a crime reduction measure there. And I want to say, uh, Cam will talk here in just a moment. There's a difference between the surveillance cameras and the flock cameras. They're two entirely separate things, two different systems there. What we're talking about is surveillance cameras, which means that you have to have a high quality camera. [1:14:18, 1:14:35]: To record your business, the people coming in and out of your business, your parking lot, things along those lines if you have a business that's deemed to be a nuisance business or a high crime business. Doesn't apply to every. As it relates to what uh Councilman Alexander was saying with new developments. [1:14:36, 1:14:41]: It's something that you could legislate that all new developments and that would be contention on the property. [1:14:41, 1:14:51]: owners. So in these shopping plazas we know that it's largely a management company that owns that. You can make that requirement on them to implement those systems within their uh um uh new developments. [1:14:52, 1:14:52]: Thank you. [1:14:53, 1:14:55]: Yeah, questions, council? [1:14:56, 1:14:57]: Yeah, you got another question, sir? Real quick. [1:14:58, 1:15:18]: So if you did new developments that that uh residual amount would come out of either under the management or under the HOA, is that what you're saying? That's correct. From what we've gathered and I was talking to Cam about this and and um he can speak to that he's not familiar with but he's gonna check with his uh colleagues. As it relates to [1:15:18, 1:15:18]: Um [1:15:20, 1:15:40]: Residential communities that don't have a homeowners association, it's difficult to have as a standard for them to implement that because there's not a mechanism in place in order to uh pay the recurring fees. So unless that was something like if it and I'm not sure there are many neighborhoods now that are developing that don't have some sort of covenants or bylaws or some sort of loose association, but for those that don't. [1:15:40, 1:15:59]: And if we were to implement that, there's not a mechanism in place to be able to um collect that recurring fee, the maintenance costs associated with those systems. And that would be something we'd have to decide if they wanted to pay for the initial installation. Will we do like Bloomingdale and some of the other cities that will actually pay the subsequent years costs associated with those systems? [1:15:59, 1:16:06]: Yeah, but just fall remember we talked one time and I don't know if that can happen. Maybe m Mr. Garner can investigate that. [1:16:07, 1:16:10]: If you got a development that comes in with fifty units, I'm just throwing a number out. [1:16:11, 1:16:15]: And they in their rental unit they don't have a management or HOA. [1:16:15, 1:16:20]: We talked about those installations still being put in place by the developer. [1:16:20, 1:16:37]: But the residual cost is on those units, not on those units that would be on whatever bill, however we do that. Uh there's a way of doing it. I just don't know how you how you formulate that. Yeah, that that would be as I understand that'd be something that [1:16:37, 1:16:43]: those homeowners in those areas would have to agree to, they'd have to establish some sort of fund to be able to pay for that. [1:16:43, 1:16:49]: 'Cause there would really be no enforcement mechanism. So the developer you can hold them accountable for installing it and paying for the initial installation. [1:16:49, 1:16:54]: But now when it comes to annual uh fees that have to be paid to keep the system working. [1:16:54, 1:17:03]: It's like who do we who do we go after to collect those funds? And if there's not a collective like an HOA or there's something in place, it's gonna be difficult for us to regulate and hold. [1:17:03, 1:17:10]: fifty different people accountable for making sure that that system is well it wouldn't be fifty and I'm sorry if it makes it sound like that. [1:17:10, 1:17:12]: If everybody has to pay their rent. [1:17:13, 1:17:15]: That's just a part of your rent. [1:17:17, 1:17:31]: And then we get whoever they're paying their rent to, that's that's the payment that comes to the city. Yeah. I'm not sure how we I I don't know what we could do with that. That would probably be a question uh better addressed by Mr. Washington from a legal standpoint. Okay. [1:17:32, 1:17:52]: Are another question for uh Chief Tramor um on his particular presentation? If not, is my assumption that you're looking for us to give you an okay to go forward with developing of ordinance right now for us to receive before you do that, for us to receive it, kinda think about it further and kind of tweak that. But if you do have specific questions, I know we talked [1:17:52, 1:18:05]: a lot about flock. We do have Mr. Reed here who's the area representative. Uh if there's anything that you would like to know or anything from the He's he's coming next, but I just want to know if make sure that we are covering your Pacific on surveillance cameras, what you're asking us to do. [1:18:05, 1:18:10]: Yes, but I think we should look at this holistically because there are not many communities that are actually [1:18:10, 1:18:17]: Incorporating ALPR, which is automated license plate reader systems, within this. So we could legislate both. [1:18:17, 1:18:31]: ALPR and uh surveillance cameras within this policy to have a more comprehensive network of uh security technology. All right, all right, Chief, no problem. Please, sir, c come on and give a presentation, please. Thank you. [1:18:34, 1:18:36]: I appreciate y'all having me. Sure, no problem. [1:18:49, 1:18:50]: Yeah, there you go. [1:18:54, 1:18:55]: All right. [1:18:55, 1:19:00]: So my name is Cam Reed. I'm the territory sales manager for flock safety. [1:19:01, 1:19:07]: And I came up here to talk to you guys about some of the uh the options that we have available to the city. [1:19:08, 1:19:26]: So at Flock, our mission is uh to eliminate crime together. And what I mean by together is not just with the police department, but with the city, with commercial businesses, with HOAs, with school systems, the entire community to make uh crime go away, right? To make a a safer community. [1:19:28, 1:19:48]: So everybody knows that you know crime just keeps increasing year after year after year. I'm sure you're no stranger to that. And I'm gonna the chief told me I got about five minutes, so I'm gonna try to zip through this if you guys so we can get to questions. So if you guys have any, uh don't be afraid to just speak out. So ALPR techno technology, uh automated license plate rate. [1:19:48, 1:20:00]: What Flock Safety does a little bit different than other systems out there is we do what we call the vehicle fingerprint ID. It's looking for a vehicle going in front of that camera and snapping an image of it. [1:20:00, 1:20:03]: And then analyzing that image or decoding that image. [1:20:04, 1:20:06]: uh to pass that information on to law enforcement. [1:20:06, 1:20:08]: So it's not just looking for a license plate. [1:20:09, 1:20:17]: Because as the chief and all the officers can tell you, I'm sure, not everybody rides around robbing stores with their license plate on their car, right? [1:20:17, 1:20:32]: So if there's no license plate on it and that's all it's looking for, it's it's really doing you no good. So it's looking at the entire vehicle. So we can see the year, make, model, color. It can see some identifying features about the vehicle to aid law enforcement in finding that perpetrator. [1:20:34, 1:20:34]: Yeah. [1:20:35, 1:20:35]: Uh [1:20:36, 1:20:56]: How does ALPR help you prevent prevent crime? Uh number one, it's proactive. So the list from the Georgia Crime Information Center of stolen vehicles, wanted people, all of that is updated uh four times a day into the system so officers would get an alert as a suspect comes into uh, say, the city limits in a stolen. [1:20:56, 1:21:05]: vehicle. They would be alerted to that. It'll also help the investigators to investigate crimes and look for suspect vehicles with the system as well. [1:21:09, 1:21:29]: We're really big about protecting privacy. I'm sure if you've done any research on ALPR systems out there, a lot of them sell the data, a lot of them keep the data for several years or unlimited amount. Uh at Flock, we do not do that. We have a 30-day retention policy. Uh nothing stored more than 30 days because past that it's really kind of a [1:21:29, 1:21:39]: cold lead for an investigator to follow up on. Uh so thirty days is is usually s uh good enough to provide information, actionable evidence for an investigation. [1:21:40, 1:21:50]: Uh we don't do any facial recognition with our camera systems. That's a big uh misunderstanding with a lot of systems that are out there that they do uh facial recognition. We do not. [1:21:52, 1:22:12]: We're very transparent. Uh officers can't just go into the system and search for uh the mayor pro tems tag to see where she's been. They have to have a reason. It's auditable. So when an officer goes in to look for a vehicle or a specific tag, they have to enter a reason. Uh and you can download that audit and print it out. [1:22:12, 1:22:20]: out for public consumption if you want. Or the chief or the internal affairs division can use that to make sure that offers aren't misused in the system. [1:22:21, 1:22:31]: Uh one example of how powerful this technology is. I don't know if you all remember this, it was from two thousand twenty, uh in August actually, the end of August. [1:22:31, 1:22:40]: Uh a young mother was pushing her child down the sidewalk in a stroller and another couple that was riding around looking to kidnap a a child. [1:22:41, 1:22:47]: saw her, got out of the vehicle, pulled a gun on her, and wrestled the kid away from her and took off. [1:22:47, 1:22:53]: They had taken the tag off of their vehicle, so all that the mother knew was it was a red Acura MDX. [1:22:54, 1:23:00]: So this happened in the city of Chambly. The Chambly Police Department has cameras all up around the city. [1:23:00, 1:23:01]: As well as the Cab County and Gwinnett. [1:23:02, 1:23:04]: So they started searching through the system. [1:23:04, 1:23:05]: And they were able to locate [1:23:06, 1:23:11]: As you can imagine in Metro Atlanta, a thousand red accurate MDXs from that day. [1:23:11, 1:23:31]: Uh so with our technology, the vehicle fingerprint ID, the mother remembered that the left front wheel was different than the other three wheels. So that gave them something to look for in these thousands of ACURAs. So they found an image of that vehicle with a different left front wheel. She said, yes, that's it. So they searched back to the system for that. [1:23:31, 1:23:32]: Yeah. [1:23:32, 1:23:37]: And they were able to locate another image from another camera from an hour before. [1:23:37, 1:23:42]: That actually still had the tag on it before they took the tag off and went and kidnapped the child. [1:23:42, 1:23:53]: So they searched that tag, found out in Carrollton that that vehicle frequented it at that area west of Atlanta. As they were staging to go set up and go serve a search one on the house, uh [1:23:54, 1:24:04]: The assistant chief was actually from Chambly was turning into the cul-de-sac where law enforcement was gathering to go serve the search warrant. And guess who's in front of him? The Red Accura MDX. [1:24:05, 1:24:14]: So long story short, law enforcement at the cul-de-sac, law enforcement coming into the road, they were able to get that child and get her back get the child back in the mother's arms within five and a half hours. [1:24:15, 1:24:26]: Well I'm sure you can imagine what a needle in a stack of needles that would have been just looking for a red accurate MDX. Mother probably would have never seen that child again. So it's very powerful technology. [1:24:27, 1:24:31]: And I've got a lot of another examples that are in here. [1:24:32, 1:24:33]: I'll skip through them for time's sake. [1:24:34, 1:24:44]: So in addition to the license plate recognition cameras, we also do remote surveillance cameras, either a bullet camera that's focused on a specific problem area like a park. [1:24:45, 1:24:48]: or a pan tilt zoom camera, which is really good in a business area. [1:24:48, 1:24:51]: So that officers or dispatchers can log into it. [1:24:51, 1:24:54]: And be able to view what's going on around that system. [1:24:55, 1:24:58]: Uh we also have what we call the Raven, it's a audio detection unit. [1:24:58, 1:25:16]: uh gunshot detection unit that can alert officers uh for gunshots in the area and narrow it down to within ninety feet of where that shot occurred. Those can be used in uh conjunction with the other cameras that are around to kind of get eyes on the scene uh and help law enforcement as they even respond. [1:25:18, 1:25:38]: So I know we're probably running up to five minutes. So do you do you all have any questions specific to AOPR or surveillance? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I I have my first one. But the gunshot uh aspect, it's not like an uh an antenna or something that some type of sound barrier that picks this up and directs it. How does that work? Yeah, it's just collecting uh audio sounds. [1:25:38, 1:25:56]: sound so uh it uses machine learning to know what's a vehicle backfire what's a firework uh so it weeds all those things out it's looking for the specific sound of a hypersonic bullet basically so it's listening for that sound it records it uh [1:25:56, 1:26:02]: The way that we deploy that is kind of in half uh quarter, half or full square mile areas. [1:26:02, 1:26:22]: And we set up a number of units that triangulate the position of where that shot came from. So that makes sense based on the time that it took to get to that camera compared or to that audio detection unit compared to another one that hurt it and another one that hurt it, it can pinpoint where that shot came from. And when you employ these, is it you you put them on to uh [1:26:22, 1:26:32]: Televis uh poles, so electron electronic poles or how do you or lights or how do you put'em? Power poles or uh typically that's that's where we would mount'em is on a power pole. [1:26:32, 1:26:52]: Okay. And we need p official permission to do that, I would imagine. On like on a on power poles, I believe. We can install them on our own poles as well, but it's we can mount it to just about anything. Okay. All right. Where a lot of the other systems out there that uh kind of our competitors have they have to be mounted really high up on a building, we don't require that. All right. [1:26:52, 1:26:54]: Mrs. Blount, sir, go ahead, please. [1:26:54, 1:26:59]: I've been asking about these flock cameras for a long time. I just wanna know when can we get'em. Um [1:27:00, 1:27:20]: The uh question I was asked to ask, which I also want to know, is that when you got a community with two interests, which is two X's, and you want two install, what what type of what what is cost again, what is the ballpark figure for [1:27:20, 1:27:28]: for that cost for that residence and what would they be looking at residually to sustain that camera system. [1:27:28, 1:27:48]: So our units uh we call it safety as a service. Uh you're basically paying for the installation of the unit and then the annual recurring cost of keeping that unit and being able to monitor. So w for example, with law enforcement, it's three thousand dollars a camera. The installation is six hundred and fifty dollars unless the city has their own pole that [1:27:48, 1:27:54]: we that you want to mount it on, then we can kind of offer you a reduced price because we're not using our pole, if that makes sense. [1:27:55, 1:28:07]: For the HOA and I'm sorry I don't I don't really handle the HOAs. We have different account or different account managers that deal with HOAs and commercial properties. I think they're around thirty five hundred dollars and the same for installation. [1:28:09, 1:28:11]: And that would be per camera annually. [1:28:11, 1:28:19]: Uh the installation and per camera per camera and install. Now when you say thirty five hundred, are you talking about but is that the residual cost? [1:28:19, 1:28:24]: Yes, that's the cost of the camera. And where that's a big advantage of uh [1:28:24, 1:28:44]: Most law enforcement agencies that purchased ALPR technology in the past, they were required to buy the unit up front. And those were twenty to thirty thousand dollars apiece. They were usually mounted on a vehicle, uh which is great if you're riding through the parking lot of a commercial business or a mall parking lot. Uh you can pick up a lot of different stolen. [1:28:44, 1:28:54]: tags and things of that nature. We kind of take a different approach. We don't need the infrastructure that those needed with direct power to them. We run off of a solar panel. [1:28:54, 1:29:09]: uh and they don't need internet capabilities plugged into the unit like the older ALPR systems. Ours work off of a SIM card, so we can put'em up anywhere uh as long as it's getting a little bit of sunlight to recharge the batteries. Uh so it's really easy to mount. [1:29:10, 1:29:14]: Yeah, but we're looking at three costs. What I'm saying is that we're looking at the cost of the camera. [1:29:14, 1:29:34]: Cost for installation. What is the residual cost? With us, you're not purchasing the camera, you're just purchasing that year for year of service. Does that make sense? So the year of service is thirty five hundred per year and six fifty. For an HOS, gotcha. Right, right. Gotcha. So it's thirty five hundred every year. If it breaks, we come out and fix it. Uh you know. [1:29:34, 1:29:46]: You know, we usually know there's an issue because we monitor those cameras on a regular basis before the department or the HOA knows. But yeah, that includes maintenance, it includes all the user fees to access the data, everything. [1:29:47, 1:30:07]: Uh and and I found that that i if you can find anything under five thousand dollars for what this camera does and for where you're doing it, th th because the prices like you just said, those prices are astronomical. Yes. They really are. Which is how flight came to be. Uh our owner at a few intern autos [1:30:06, 1:30:17]: in his neighborhood and was referred by Atlanta PD to go out and get some ALPR cameras. It was gonna cost him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to cover the seven entrances to his neighborhood. [1:30:18, 1:30:21]: And that was buying equipment up front and then having to maintain it so [1:30:22, 1:30:27]: If you purchase it and in six months the unit goes down because of moisture or whatever else. [1:30:27, 1:30:29]: That's on you to fix it, right? If you own the camera. [1:30:30, 1:30:32]: With us, it's on us to fix it. [1:30:32, 1:30:52]: Well the thing that I also like about it is that if a stolen vehicle comes in your c in your neighborhood, it alerts the it alerts P D that there's a stolen vehicle that had just entered into your community. That's correct. So it's a lot that uh it's a lot that that's it's a lot that that camera does and that's pretty good. I appreciate it. And like the chief said [1:30:52, 1:31:03]: Just Henry County PD has a hundred ALPR units. They've got about 20 square miles of the gunshot detection that's in the works, Locust Grove, uh McDonough. [1:31:03, 1:31:16]: You know, it just about every community and county around you has them as well. So that's another good thing with our system is we have almost 8,000 cameras across Georgia and more than forty eight thousand across the country. [1:31:17, 1:31:25]: Uh so with the city of Stockbridge purchasing, say 15, you don't just get access to 15 cameras, right? You get access to the entire network. [1:31:25, 1:31:38]: So when you're going to look for somebody that may have come here and committed a murder, you don't you're not just looking in Stockbridge or just in Henry County. You're looking in the state of Georgia, Alabama, all the way to California if if that's what you need. [1:31:39, 1:31:40]: That's it. [1:31:40, 1:32:00]: Any questions this side? Go ahead, please. This to comment certainly I'm in full support of moving forward with this in in line with what I spoke earlier, which is all new development being required to uh have the flock cameras at the entrance and then uh uh whatever it's necessary to talk with. [1:32:00, 1:32:15]: with getting the existing subdivision as an opportunity to do that, because certainly this is with the growth and everything coming to the community. Talk about the crime statistics that you may have access to before and after the flock cameras. [1:32:18, 1:32:29]: You had something here just a minute ago, didn't you, with uh uh Murphy, Tennessee? Yeah. I've got to do it. Or a subdivision or or or or a neighborhood per se. This is actually Cobb County stats. [1:32:31, 1:32:32]: I don't know if you can see those. [1:32:33, 1:32:38]: So in precinct two, thirty-five percent reduction in enter and autos and a forty percent reduction in robbery. [1:32:39, 1:32:59]: Uh in the 215 beat a 64% reduction in internados and a 63% reduction in non-residential burglaries. And you can see the other stats there. It it works. If you remember the the shooter from the children's hospital downtown just a couple of months ago, that shooter was caught. [1:32:59, 1:33:10]: in Cobb County with flock cameras. Okay. So and a number of other devices. I can't take a hundred percent credit for that, but we were a part of it. Good deal. Any other questions? No. [1:33:11, 1:33:25]: Okay. So I guess we're good with questions. So I would imagine once again back to my original comment, I would imagine you just needed a um a direction there, Chief, in reference to establishing this ordinance and bringing it back to us for further discussion and approval. [1:33:25, 1:33:33]: That's correct, sir. All right. So on that note I I assume that uh I I guess the motion's in order to to give'em guidance on that or the magic? [1:33:33, 1:33:49]: Uh I would think s uh have the chief put together a best practice recommendation and bring it back to the council. That would be my motion. Okay. All right. Been second by Mr. Blount. All in favor, please indicate. All right. There you have a Chief the United States. All right. Go forth and conquer, sir. Thank you. All right. [1:33:51, 1:34:11]: All right. We've got unfinished business. Council consideration to approve the ordinance for the hiring or appointment of a deputy city clerk. Option one, hired by the city clerk. Option two, appointed by the city council, presented by says uh Renee Wheeler and Mr. Washington. But the mayor, I did ask that we might consider discussing this uh and call the executive [1:34:11, 1:34:23]: session instead of having the discussion out here. Okay, you did. And so if that is the if that's the desired council to agree to that. Yes sir. Point of order. What's your point of order, sir? [1:34:23, 1:34:25]: Uh this is not [1:34:26, 1:34:28]: And executive session items. [1:34:29, 1:34:32]: Um this is not personnel. There's no candidate. [1:34:33, 1:34:37]: So it it does not meet the threshold of executive session. All right. [1:34:38, 1:34:42]: That's uh Mr. Washington, you're at the podi at the podium now. [1:34:48, 1:34:50]: [5690.0, 5710.0]: Um you all's direction was I prepared and I prepared an ordinance which would appoint, which would allow the city clerk to be an appointed deputy clerk. That was the request that came to me. The other request was to look at whether or not there had been some history of you all doing the appointment, of which there was. [1:35:09, 1:35:29]: And you all got that brief email from me. What I want to say was that ultimately it's your decision as to what you all want to do. The clerk has presented evidence that how it's done in the majority of cities around the state, where the clerk appoints the deputy city clerk. And in but in Stockbridge, you all have been appointed. [1:35:29, 1:35:31]: Morning, the Deputy City Clerk. [1:35:31, 1:35:33]: But however that is not [1:35:33, 1:35:41]: As you know, that is not in any ordinance, that is not in any resolution. So you all are not bound by what has previously happened. [1:35:41, 1:35:45]: It's totally your t can call as to what you want to do, but [1:35:45, 1:35:48]: Even in the emails that we got from Council McGantt. [1:35:48, 1:35:56]: back early ninety-six that we at least had record of and twenty fourteen that I told you about that you all had been appointing the [1:35:57, 1:36:11]: Deputy City Clerk. And so I just want you all to have a memo. That's a that's a proposed ordinance, which the clerk will then appoint the deputy city clerk. However, it is up to you all to make the decision about what you all want to do. But if you all do not [1:36:12, 1:36:24]: do an ordinance with this, then it would be come and Mr. Gardner can speak about this, it would become a hire that would go through the normal hiring process. [1:36:25, 1:36:30]: Mayor. If I may. Yes, you could. Go ahead. [1:36:30, 1:36:35]: So I submitted to this mayor and council a request to hire. [1:36:36, 1:36:40]: the deputy city clerk, as is done. [1:36:40, 1:36:50]: by all clerks in the state of Georgia. I polled all 500 cities, plus 500 plus cities in the state of Georgia. [1:36:51, 1:37:00]: And not one response was returned where the deputy city clerk was appointed by the mayor and council. [1:37:01, 1:37:08]: All of the responses that were received and submitted to this mayor and council was a hire by the city clerk. [1:37:09, 1:37:14]: And supervised by the city clerk that was submitted to you all. [1:37:15, 1:37:32]: I had conversations with GMA, I rem relayed that information to you all that it's not best practice for the deputy city clerk to be appointed by the city clerk. Point of order. [1:37:32, 1:37:34]: The point of order is the presentation. [1:37:35, 1:37:45]: It's by Renee Wheeler and Quent uh Quentin. To have the the c city clerk to come forth on the decision we have to make whether we're gonna [1:37:45, 1:37:49]: Let the hiring continue the way it's been for years or to go into another. [1:37:50, 1:37:50]: We don't do. [1:37:51, 1:38:02]: It's it's not appropriate to have the city clerk to come up here to solidify a position that she wants versus allowing this council to go ahead and vote on what we're going to do. [1:38:03, 1:38:08]: May I may have finished it? So I I I would I would ask this council [1:38:08, 1:38:10]: That we're you know, because [1:38:12, 1:38:15]: If anyone, whether it's this situation or any situation [1:38:16, 1:38:19]: We can't have any staff member. [1:38:20, 1:38:30]: putting anything out before a decision is made by this council that would make it look like this council is moving somewhere illegally or legally not able to do what we're doing. [1:38:30, 1:38:36]: This has been done the way it's been done, has been done even all the way back to nineteen forty three. [1:38:37, 1:38:42]: So to have the city clerk to come up here and to now do a presentation [1:38:43, 1:39:03]: That puts us in a position that what if we make a decision that's not inconducible to what she's presenting, it gives a perception that's greater than the truth. The truth is, right now, this council has two options in front of it. And either one of those options has to be adhered to without all of this right here coming before. [1:39:03, 1:39:07]: before us right now that could could put a facide in front of [1:39:07, 1:39:27]: everyone that the perception is that we're doing something that we're not able to do. Mayor Ford, if I may finish May every document, everything that I just recited Vanessa, hold on for a second public record. Okay, hold on Vanessa please. Okay, so understand. All right. Um st one second please. Ms. Gad? Thank you. [1:39:27, 1:39:32]: I just think that we should do this in executive session. I do think it's a personnel matter. [1:39:32, 1:39:48]: Um, just even based off of some of the things that Miss Holliday is stating as of right now, I think that those are some of the issues that we should discuss um behind closed doors. And I I think that it's a careful it's a line there. [1:39:48, 1:39:49]: It's a fine line. [1:39:50, 1:40:10]: And I think it can go over that f that line. We're either gonna let Mrs. Wheeler and Mr. Washington present in a particular manner, or we're gonna hear from Ms. Holliday on her responses to why she feels in this particular way. And I think that it is a personal. [1:40:10, 1:40:30]: personnel I think it's I think it's a personnel matter. I think it should be disclosed. You said it was not. I think it should be discussed as a personnel matter. You said it was not. Okay. Oh hold on folks, hold on please. Currently we do not have a deputy city clerk as of August 31st. The position is vacant. So if you all are speaking about [1:40:30, 1:40:50]: The position, the terms, the appointment, that is a policy matter which would be done out here. In public. But if you all are discussing people and applications and things of that nature, then that is executive session. But because you do not currently have the the conversation was different from the last council. [1:40:50, 1:41:10]: Meeting than it is this council meeting. The last council meeting would be it could easily be into talking about the deputy city clerk and what happened to the deputy city clerk in 2014 because of the same deputy city clerk who's working for the city. That position is vacant now. And so if you're looking at a restructure or anything of that nature, then that would be a policy decision and not a personnel. [1:41:09, 1:41:18]: Decision that you all be able to do up here. However, if it is conversations about individual employees, then that is a personnel matter. [1:41:18, 1:41:38]: Correct. I think it's a combination of both. No, it's not. Okay. I and I I I that's my opinion, but that's to be safe, I just think that, you know, in light of things, I just I really wanted to talk about this behind closed doors. And I [1:41:38, 1:41:54]: I thought that maybe it was a personnel issue. That's just me. But what the hope is because it's fleshed out in an ordinance. If you all choose to have an ordinance, the discussion could be around the ordinance and either it's adoption or it's non-adoption or either it's amendment. [1:41:55, 1:42:02]: And the amendments that you want to put in the ordinance if you want to do amendments. So that way it can be confined to a policy session. [1:42:03, 1:42:23]: Okay. And I also well go ahead, go ahead. Go ahead and come. Well no, I'll let Miss Holiday or whomever else is gonna speak Mr. Thomas speak. But I I did look at some other uh um information. I I saw the information Miss Holliday gave me, but I of course looked at other cities as well and the way they handle things. [1:42:23, 1:42:41]: So everyone in the state of Georgia doesn't do it that way. We all know that things are done differently across the board. I appreciate the ones that did respond, but there are like several different options there. So I d there's some things that right we would really need to discuss and [1:42:43, 1:42:56]: We can uh so be it. But just so everybody knows, if the ordinance is not voted on, then since nothing has happened, it would go back to what is happening. It would it well, here's to clarify what should happen. [1:42:56, 1:43:00]: If you all decide not to vote on the ordinance, if you vote to [1:43:01, 1:43:04]: Prove it, that's one thing. If you vote to deny it, it's another. [1:43:04, 1:43:11]: Now if you want to still go to the question of what happens after that and council wants to do a resolution. [1:43:12, 1:43:13]: And that's something separate. [1:43:13, 1:43:20]: But otherwise it would then if you all did not adopt the ordinance, the status quo would be [1:43:21, 1:43:27]: Because there's no ordinance on this, I want to be very clear. Because there's no ordinance or resolution on it, it would be a regular hire. [1:43:29, 1:43:32]: But because you all have been doing in the past a pointing [1:43:32, 1:43:37]: Right. Successive councils are not bound by previous councils. [1:43:37, 1:43:40]: So that would not be if you all did not appoint [1:43:41, 1:43:43]: It would go through the regular hiring process. [1:43:44, 1:43:59]: That the city would have for other employees. So I just want to be clear that if you want to answer the question of what are we gonna do by the deputy city clerk, if you do not want it to go through the normal process, there would need to be an affirmative statement from counsel, either by ordinance or resolution. [1:43:59, 1:44:05]: Mr. Thomas. Thank you, Mayor. First let me say that [1:44:05, 1:44:09]: The rules for executive sessions [1:44:10, 1:44:11]: A very clear. [1:44:12, 1:44:13]: Very clear. [1:44:13, 1:44:19]: And this is not an executive session item number one. [1:44:20, 1:44:21]: Number two. [1:44:22, 1:44:28]: Under the umbrella of the municipal government here the city of Stockbridge. [1:44:29, 1:44:30]: Oh [1:44:31, 1:44:33]: And let me emphasize [1:44:33, 1:44:34]: Oh. [1:44:35, 1:44:37]: Excuse me. [1:44:38, 1:44:39]: Oh [1:44:39, 1:44:41]: Department heads and directors. [1:44:42, 1:44:44]: Had the authority [1:44:45, 1:44:46]: Two [1:44:47, 1:44:47]: Hell. [1:44:48, 1:44:49]: Within [1:44:49, 1:44:50]: There [1:44:50, 1:44:51]: department. [1:44:52, 1:44:54]: Here at the city of Startbridge, the [1:44:54, 1:44:56]: Every department head [1:44:57, 1:45:00]: has the ability and the authority. [1:45:00, 1:45:01]: To her. [1:45:03, 1:45:09]: My goal and desire, just speaking on this, is to bring this in [1:45:09, 1:45:14]: Conformity with what we do here at the city of Starkbridge. [1:45:16, 1:45:17]: Also [1:45:18, 1:45:19]: The risearch [1:45:20, 1:45:23]: shows that [1:45:24, 1:45:26]: The city of Stone Crest. [1:45:27, 1:45:29]: Peace City. [1:45:30, 1:45:31]: Brookhaven. [1:45:31, 1:45:33]: The city of Villaricker. [1:45:34, 1:45:35]: Southon. [1:45:36, 1:45:38]: Douglasville, East Point. [1:45:38, 1:45:40]: The city of Roswell. [1:45:40, 1:45:42]: College Paul. [1:45:42, 1:45:43]: The city of Atlanta. [1:45:43, 1:45:45]: The city of Tucker. [1:45:47, 1:45:49]: All of these municipalities. [1:45:50, 1:45:52]: The city clerk. [1:45:53, 1:45:55]: has that authority. [1:45:57, 1:46:00]: And it sorta just behooves me why [1:46:03, 1:46:04]: In the city of Stockbridge. [1:46:05, 1:46:12]: We should be in the difference. But even if we just focus on what we do here at the city of Stargrid, as I stated before. [1:46:13, 1:46:15]: Every department head [1:46:15, 1:46:17]: Have that authority. [1:46:19, 1:46:22]: So why would we single out one department? [1:46:23, 1:46:27]: And not have the same protocol. [1:46:28, 1:46:31]: And I would just wish somebody would explain that to me. [1:46:32, 1:46:52]: Yeah, I I yield back. Okay, thank you. On this note, I would I would re my recommendation to the council is that we do not need an ordinance for this particular action. Or no ordinance is needed, and which which means by default, if you don't have an ordinance, it means by default that uh by what I what I understand, what I've understand here is that the the position of W City Clerk would be a higher [1:46:52, 1:47:07]: in this aspect. So that's my thoughts and that's my recommendation. And I don't know if there are any other comments or how we can go forward and uh move on or with this. Yes sir. I move to approve option one. [1:47:09, 1:47:11]: Okay. Hired by the city clerk. [1:47:12, 1:47:13]: Is there a second to that motion? [1:47:14, 1:47:20]: Uh that's uh Miss Barber's second? Discussion. Okay, one second. That's Miss Clarify. [1:47:20, 1:47:33]: Option one says the uh it says here Hired by the city clerk. Hired yeah, the the appointment uh then Hired by the City Clerk. Yeah, hired by a city clerk. That's right. That position will be hired by the city clerk. That's option one. It's been secondary. I think Miss Barber, you said [1:47:35, 1:47:35]: No, d [1:47:36, 1:47:55]: No, uh well sorry about the city clerk, you wouldn't need an order. I would say you didn't need to. I think the mayor misquoted you. What m I misquoted what now? You misquoted mister because my understanding you said it's not in the orders, it c that it could be done simply by a resolution, but it wouldn't be binding another counsel that comes in. [1:47:57, 1:48:17]: Okay. Mayor. You're presenting an ordinance to us. Got you. May Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. I'm sorry. Um there's a motion on the table. Right. Discussion. Once it we'll get discussed. Go ahead. Go ahead, Mr. C. And I indicated option two, hire by the city clerk. Got it. And then and second is motion motion was seconded by believer. [1:48:17, 1:48:19]: [6499.8, 6513.8]: Okay, all right, all right. Now discussion. I've made it very clear. I will not vote for this without an executive session. All right, fine. Okay. This is how it is. Okay. Okay. We can talk about it. Okay, fine. But I cannot. Okay, that's fine. [1:48:34, 1:48:54]: Yes, Mayor. Mayor, um section fourteen point three of College Park says that the Deputy City Clerk appointment, um, the governing body may appoint a deputy city clerk to function as a city clerk in the absence of the city clerk due to illness, leave, vacancy, or other period of absence. I am looking at a couple of them that actually state that [1:48:56, 1:49:11]: I know what you sent me on the email, Miss Holliday. You also sent to me that we were the only ones that appointed in twenty fourteen. But as you see, in nineteen forty three we've been doing this. We actually did in nineteen thirty something. [1:49:12, 1:49:14]: Two thousand, two thousand two. [1:49:14, 1:49:21]: Two thousand six. Um I mean I'm looking here at the different appointments and now [1:49:21, 1:49:23]: I'm cross referencing. [1:49:24, 1:49:30]: some of the other things. I didn't even get a chance to do that, but this ordinance here in College Park says that [1:49:31, 1:49:33]: The governing body may appoint a deputy clerk. [1:49:34, 1:49:37]: Maybe I saw the I saw your email. [1:49:38, 1:49:43]: Maybe they've changed. I saw her email. Maybe they've changed along the way. [1:49:44, 1:49:45]: But [1:49:45, 1:49:51]: My concern is that we've been doing this consistently for quite a period of time. [1:49:52, 1:49:56]: I'm not rushing to do it. I understand her position in this. [1:49:57, 1:50:07]: I do have some concerns. All right. And that's it. All right. All right. Fur any further discussion before we take a vote? If I may, Mr. Oh stand by please. Any any further standby? Go ahead, please. Mr. Blount. [1:50:08, 1:50:18]: One of the things that I don't ever wanna do is is I don't want us to ever get into airing out laundry out front. Citizens don't deserve it and we shouldn't do it. [1:50:20, 1:50:22]: When a council [1:50:22, 1:50:25]: Um asked for executive session on the item. [1:50:27, 1:50:38]: When the city manager, our attorney, and this council knows the climate of what the questions may be. I don't ever want us going back and forth with any employee, any staff. [1:50:39, 1:50:42]: That's presenting something that should be presented by [1:50:43, 1:50:52]: the city m uh attorney and the de uh HR because any questions that go back and forth and direct [1:50:52, 1:51:12]: Would be going directly to that position, which that that staff is in, and that makes it almost an attack on that employee for that position. This is why I don't know why the city clerk is up here presenting this, because the questions and the and and those things that we're talking about, the pros and cons of it, and we're talking about why. [1:51:12, 1:51:20]: Why we don't or do, it shouldn't be direct, it would be directed at that position that she holds, and it makes it an employee. [1:51:21, 1:51:41]: It makes it an employee situation, which makes it an executive situation. I agree totally 100% with Mr. Alexander. This should be discussed in the executive session because you all know there's some sensitivity to this situation. And we cannot discuss it out front because I would never air any laundry out front. [1:51:41, 1:51:49]: But I would not sit here and continue to let this council, without saying anything, allow Miss, allow the city clerk to come up. [1:51:49, 1:52:06]: and make that whatever decision we make that's that we wanna make would be the wrong one unless we make the one that benefits her. I'm not gonna sit here and allow that. So it either either we air out the laundry out front why we don't wanna do it, or we go in executive session so it doesn't get personal. [1:52:07, 1:52:10]: This is where we're at. You all know this is where we're at. [1:52:11, 1:52:13]: Yeah. Yes, sir. [1:52:14, 1:52:31]: I call for the vote. Okay. Um maybe we're going to stand by. All right. So we so we got we got a motion of four to uh uh the motion is actually the the city clerk would hire option one, hire the or the deputy would be hired by the city clerk. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:52:33, 1:52:34]: All polls. [1:52:35, 1:52:49]: All right. Motion fails. All right. So motion now fails. Now I'm gonna make an alternative motion. Okay, what's your alternative motion? To re to maybe revisit this issue after an executive session discussion at some point. [1:52:51, 1:52:56]: I second. All right. Motion be made and second it. Discussion. Uh just go ahead. Mm-hmm. Discussion. [1:52:56, 1:52:57]: Okay, so [1:52:59, 1:53:02]: Our last meeting, this item was on the agenda. [1:53:02, 1:53:04]: The city attorney asks [1:53:05, 1:53:06]: That we table it. [1:53:06, 1:53:08]: For additional research. [1:53:09, 1:53:10]: That's what he said. [1:53:11, 1:53:14]: Who gave the direction or directive? [1:53:15, 1:53:17]: Ти проваде орденцы. [1:53:18, 1:53:19]: Because that wasn't [1:53:20, 1:53:22]: A directive that came from the consensus of the [1:53:23, 1:53:24]: Of the council. [1:53:25, 1:53:27]: When he said he needed to do further research. [1:53:28, 1:53:34]: I just expected that he do further research. So I wanna know where did this whole idea of [1:53:35, 1:53:38]: Whether it be a order. Mr. Washington, you wanna come back to the mic, please? [1:53:38, 1:53:40]: It was it was that was a request. [1:53:40, 1:53:45]: Well well the H R come to come come to the mic please so everybody can hear you so that the kill. [1:53:45, 1:53:46]: Mm-hmm. [1:53:47, 1:53:50]: HR sent on the agenda request form. [1:53:52, 1:53:53]: And so that's where the ordinance came from. [1:53:54, 1:54:14]: So you send eight H R, which is be Miss Renee, did ask for the the ordinance to be done. I see. Okay, does uh has that answer your question, Mary Portin? No, it doesn't. So I am still from the left, if you go back to your agenda books, the Latin the request form, that was what was on the [1:54:14, 1:54:16]: [6856.7, 6857.5]: All right. [1:54:17, 1:54:28]: Mm-hmm. So what is um unclear to me is this is just a matter of whether or not the city clerk has the authority [1:54:29, 1:54:30]: Of hiring. [1:54:31, 1:54:32]: A deputy clerk. [1:54:33, 1:54:35]: I am just really baffled. [1:54:35, 1:54:38]: While we're going around and around. [1:54:38, 1:54:40]: about a position [1:54:41, 1:54:44]: The clerk's office only has three people. [1:54:45, 1:54:46]: In that office. [1:54:47, 1:54:50]: Why are we going around and around about [1:54:50, 1:54:52]: This particular issue. [1:54:52, 1:54:53]: That's what I don't get. [1:54:54, 1:54:55]: All right. [1:54:55, 1:54:56]: The last meeting [1:54:57, 1:54:59]: When the city attorney asked that we table it. [1:54:59, 1:55:00]: For additional [1:55:01, 1:55:02]: research that he needed to do. [1:55:04, 1:55:05]: I was really baffled then. [1:55:06, 1:55:09]: Now we're here and we're still going back and forth about this. [1:55:10, 1:55:23]: No, the the research that we did was whether or not Ms. Ms Watson, could you come to the mic, please, sir, make sure you're well heard, sir. Yeah, the research we did was whether or not there had been anything that codified why the deputy city clerk was appointed. [1:55:23, 1:55:36]: Right. We did not have anything that told us, but continually you all have you all meaning the city of Stockbridge and council's before has appointed the deputy city clerk. [1:55:37, 1:55:45]: There's never been an ordinance saying that you all appointed the deputy city clerk. It's not in the charter. There's no resolution on that, but it is done. [1:55:45, 1:56:04]: And so that was the research to determine whether or not that was something that was done, or that was something that you all were following a directive of an ordinance or the charter or anything of that nature. And that was not able to be found in that, but there is a consistent practice going back several decades. [1:56:04, 1:56:05]: That appoints. [1:56:06, 1:56:07]: Thank you, sir. [1:56:07, 1:56:08]: All right. [1:56:10, 1:56:10]: Okay. [1:56:11, 1:56:15]: Continue on discussion, sir. Um I I just wanna say this. Um [1:56:17, 1:56:21]: When when when this item come has just come up [1:56:25, 1:56:28]: The time of this item becomes interesting. [1:56:29, 1:56:37]: Because if this has been the practice long before we all I mean, even back to 1943. [1:56:39, 1:56:49]: What is being set before us today is that either this practice is gonna continue in the ordinance or we're gonna move the practice away from us that's been in this city. [1:56:49, 1:56:53]: And give it and move it to one, or we're gonna move it to two? [1:56:54, 1:57:00]: That's the climate. That's it here. Everybody we can sit here and go back and forth. Everybody knows what we're dealing with here. [1:57:00, 1:57:07]: And we'll be here all night because everybody's gotta talk around issues because we're not making an executive session issue. [1:57:09, 1:57:16]: So either we're going if you don't want to table this, I'm willing I'm ready to vote for number two since one failed. We already voted. [1:57:17, 1:57:18]: But to do what? They already voted. [1:57:19, 1:57:26]: They voted one one was voted down. It was voted. They never they never voted. There was one one was voted down, three, two. [1:57:27, 1:57:29]: I I I like to make a a motion. [1:57:29, 1:57:31]: There's a motion on the table. [1:57:31, 1:57:33]: By Councilman Alexander. [1:57:34, 1:57:45]: A motion on the table that I made to revisit this after an executive session or private discussion at some point. Ms. Gantt second that. That's right. That that's the motion that's currently on the table now. I'm fine with that. [1:57:46, 1:58:03]: Okay, so we we're in the discussion phase. Thank you for that. During the discussion phase. So any other discussion? If not, then then what it's what's uh what is it we read the motion the motion's been read it's been second. All in favor of that motion please end. No attorney needs to speak because you are violating executive session rules if you do that. [1:58:06, 1:58:20]: If you are going to be discussing the position, then it's public. We're discussing some personnel involved in that. That's what we're doing. The difficulty is is that you do not have a person in that position anymore. [1:58:20, 1:58:33]: Okay. There you go. There's there's not a deputy there's not currently a deputy city clerk. So if we were going in to talk about uh the current deputy city clerk or a the deputy city clerk, that's a personnel matter. [1:58:33, 1:58:41]: Okay, I I withdraw my motion. Okay, there it goes. Withdraw. All right. I'd like to motion. You would like to make a motion, sir. I'd like to make a motion that we accept option two. [1:58:41, 1:58:43]: Sir second that motion. [1:58:43, 1:58:45]: I second. Okay, and further discussion. [1:58:47, 1:58:48]: All in favor, please and okay. [1:58:50, 1:58:53]: Option two says appointed by the city council is what it says. [1:58:55, 1:58:57]: So that's option two. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:58:59, 1:59:00]: I'll post. [1:59:01, 1:59:02]: Well [1:59:03, 1:59:06]: Okay, three opposed. All right. Motion fails. Okay. [1:59:08, 1:59:09]: Or a stalemate. [1:59:10, 1:59:20]: So now at this point, everybody, we're now able to take a regular high. We're choosing not to appoint during this council legislative session. So that wasn't council legislative session. [1:59:20, 1:59:31]: M Mr. Come back to the mic. We voted not to go with option number. Mr. Washington, explain this please. [1:59:31, 1:59:51]: We vote hold on hold we hold on voted not to go. Hold on, let it let the attorney explain. But option number one was what's in front of you the ordinance, which would allow it would be an ordinance that would be put into the set of ordinances that would allow for the clerk to appoint the deputy city clerk. That was ordinance number number one. [1:59:51, 1:59:59]: Number two. Which failed. Okay. Number two was whether or not you are going to appoint. [1:59:59, 2:00:02]: the deputy city clerk. That figure. [2:00:03, 2:00:20]: Right. So on those two issues, now you're not appointing and it's not an ordinance which would allow the deputy um which would allow the clerk to be able to appoint. So at that point it becomes a regular hire because they're I'd like to reconsider the motion. [2:00:21, 2:00:28]: A second. About it being hot. But look, that's what when we walk through this, that's what we got these that different options. Or reconsider the motion. [2:00:29, 2:00:44]: Okay, he can legally he made you made a motion originally, is that correct? Okay, and that could that can be done. And it has to be second on the prevailing side, yes. Excuse me now? The person on the prevailing side of the motion to reconsider. And he reconsidered that has to be seconded as well, is that correct? Yeah. Second consideration. [2:00:44, 2:00:46]: And does it have to be second by the prevailing person? [2:00:47, 2:00:49]: No, okay, I second. [2:00:49, 2:00:59]: Mayor Ford. Yeah, so okay. Motion reconsider has been uh made. Motion made one second, sir. Reconsider the motion has been made in the second. Further discussion. Sir, go ahead please. What is the reconsideration? [2:01:01, 2:01:14]: The reconsideration was whether to for the council to appoint. Since the original vote was not for the council to appoint, I'm asking for a reconsideration so we can leave leave it where it was. So I'm reconsidering that. [2:01:15, 2:01:16]: I seca. [2:01:16, 2:01:18]: All right, motion's made a second. [2:01:18, 2:01:19]: Mayor Ford. [2:01:20, 2:01:22]: Yes ma'am. [2:01:22, 2:01:24]: For the council to appoint [2:01:25, 2:01:29]: The prevailing side failed by three. That would be myself [2:01:30, 2:01:32]: Councilman Alexander and Councilman Thomas. [2:01:33, 2:01:33]: So [2:01:34, 2:01:42]: Myself or Councilman Thomas would need to second his motion. No. You just want I'm sorry. Anyone can second. [2:01:42, 2:01:53]: I thought you said the prevailing side of two the person on the prevailing side has to make the person who's on the prevailing side has to move and be safe. Anybody can say. [2:01:53, 2:02:00]: Gotcha. Thank you, sir. Mayor, am I able to speak? We'll need to speak. Y Yes, go ahead. [2:02:01, 2:02:03]: So with this motion [2:02:03, 2:02:05]: And with this ordinance. [2:02:06, 2:02:07]: This department [2:02:07, 2:02:27]: Would be the only department in the city that has someone under the city. Mayor, point of order. We cannot do this out front. Point of order. Point of order. What's the point of order? We cannot have city clerk or any staff member telling us why. [2:02:27, 2:02:47]: We shouldn't do something sitting up here because what's gonna happen is we'll tell her why we should. Okay, well here's the deal. I'm gonna I'm gonna override your point order. I'm gonna do that. Okay, then it'll get messy. Okay, it'll get messy because we're gonna override your point order. Okay, then by this I am not telling the council or anything to do. [2:02:47, 2:02:51]: Mayor. [2:02:51, 2:02:58]: Uh point of order. Point of order, Mayor. Come on, really. Appeal to the council to overrule the chair. Second. [2:02:59, 2:03:03]: Really? Mr Watson, come back up here, please. [2:03:03, 2:03:04]: Yes. [2:03:04, 2:03:09]: I just want to hire my standard. Point of order to move forward. Hold hold on a second. Hold on. [2:03:09, 2:03:15]: There was a point of point. Stand by, folks. Stand by. All right. Mr. Washington. [2:03:15, 2:03:19]: I overrode a point of order from Mr. Blount to allow the clerk to speak. [2:03:20, 2:03:40]: Mr. Alessandro, you want some more you want to point order to override a good decision for the council override my point over to keep her from speaking. Is that illegal? Can that happen? Yes. That would be my majority vote of the order. Okay, fine. So be it. So you made you made a point of order, Mr. Alessandra. Is there a second that point of order? Second. Okay, is there all in favor of the point of order? Okay, fine. So they override it. So I [2:03:40, 2:03:55]: Oh stand by standby. So you over stand by you override me to speak before for to allow her to speak. What a mouse override my decision. So on that note, legally, sorry, Miss Holloway, you cannot you cannot speak. I understand. All right, good deal. Now, counsel. [2:03:55, 2:04:06]: Now we have uh we still have a s uh uh m miss Hobb, could you go please sit down to Well I was actually taking the notes, but okay. Well you can you can do it from there, please. All right. So where do we go from here, Mr. Washington? [2:04:07, 2:04:23]: If you all s right now, you all have the option of you're doing a motion to reconsider to determine whether or not you want to appoint. If you choose not to appoint, it will be a regular hiring pro regular hire that will go through the regular stock reach hiring process. [2:04:24, 2:04:26]: Okay. All right. So what's the desire of the council? [2:04:27, 2:04:28]: Mayor. Yes, ma'am. [2:04:28, 2:04:31]: I first of all, before I make this motion [2:04:33, 2:04:34]: Um with our respect. [2:04:35, 2:04:36]: Mr Washington. [2:04:37, 2:04:41]: Since nineteen the nineteen thirties, we've been appointing a deputy clerk. That's correct. [2:04:42, 2:04:45]: You can't just come in here and say [2:04:45, 2:04:57]: Oh, by the way, since y'all have been doing it this way, even though you've been doing it, we're gonna stop it and you can just all of a sudden now rehire. There's gotta be something in there. I'm saying th there has th you're saying it's open. [2:04:57, 2:05:02]: And it's available where it could be done that way. But we've we've [2:05:02, 2:05:20]: We have some type of history here. We have a and I why am I illegal right now, but I'm on the edge of my seat. We have provided a way of of handling things since the thirties. I see exactly what it's like. And so what I'm saying to you is [2:05:22, 2:05:42]: You come up to the podium and then say, Well, if you don't vote on either one of these options, then they can just hire. And I don't think that's the case. So I'll tell you exactly what it's like. It's like when term of court ends. It's a new term of court. When you all make prior counsels have decided that they want to stick to to tradition and appoint a day. [2:05:42, 2:05:43]: Deputy City Clerk. [2:05:44, 2:06:04]: However, that's not done by ordinance. And if it's done by resolution, the resolutions die at the end of a legislative term for the legislative body. Okay. Just like when you all, you know, when we do contracts, right? You can't do multi-year contracts with cities because multi-year contracts bind successive councils. You can do [2:06:03, 2:06:23]: A five-year contract where it is a for a year with a termination clause, but if you decide not to enact the termination clause, it can be renewed for a successive number of four years. Okay. The same thing is here because you all do not have an ordinance or the charter does not specify it, then there's nothing that would bind you to be able to. [2:06:23, 2:06:25]: A point. [2:06:25, 2:06:33]: The city clerk. If you are the deputy city clerk, if you all choose to appoint a deputy city clerk, and you do not have to choose now, you can choose. [2:06:33, 2:06:53]: From the next meeting or until whenever. However, the process would still be if you all do not speak into that space, the process will be a normal process unless you speak into that space. Well then in that case, I would like to make a motion to approve the second ordinance. I'm sorry, your motion is what now? Approve the second ordinance. [2:06:53, 2:07:04]: Listed that the city um appoints a deputy clerk. Okay. Mr. Blount, you second that? Yeah. Any further discussion? [2:07:04, 2:07:24]: Any further discussion? This w what is the option to leave what we're doing alone until w what is that option? So if you do if you do nothing, then it's subsequent council meetings, you can decide to appoint. But if not, it would still go through the regular hiring. But but the deal is if we don't do anything, nobody can hire anybody, right? [2:07:24, 2:07:28]: No, it would be it would be the hire that would come through HR and the city manager. [2:07:29, 2:07:33]: Okay, so if we don't take an action then somebody could go out and hire somebody tomorrow. Yeah. [2:07:35, 2:07:38]: Makes sense. It'll be the process that the city manager will come up with because it's on the executive side. [2:07:39, 2:07:42]: Mr. City Manager, come on for the podium. [2:07:43, 2:07:52]: Um let's change it. Yeah, yes, Mr. Thomas says Mr. Gardner's coming up. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. Uh option two has been motion second and failed. [2:07:54, 2:08:05]: Yes it did. It didn't fail. You didn't ask for the vote? Yeah yes it did. Initially I th initially we he actually reconsidered. He did reconsider. It did initially fail, then it reconsidered. And then that reconsider reconsideration passed. [2:08:08, 2:08:19]: My my question to you, sir, is if we decide to delay this to make a decision with subsequent discussion, we hold off on a higher in this position. [2:08:21, 2:08:27]: Yes. Until your next meeting which will be the twenty sixth of September, I think it is. [2:08:30, 2:08:33]: That's the next time council meet to consider if you table it. [2:08:37, 2:08:41]: Okay, that's our work session. Twenty sixth of September is correct. [2:08:41, 2:08:42]: That's a work session. I can't do it. [2:08:45, 2:08:49]: All right, council. Yes. Okay, so where are we? [2:08:50, 2:09:10]: Mayor Ford. Yes, well I think the motion. I think the motion yes yes sir well I think the motion was uh pointed by the city council. I believe that's that motion was uh uh made by you, Ms. Gantt, and seconded by Mr. Blount. Mr. Thomas, you have some additional comments. Well I I I was going to make another motion. I didn't know we'd be. I don't know we got a motion on the stage. Okay, and the motion on the floor is to change the ordinary [2:09:10, 2:09:12]: [7752.8, 7760.9]: It says appointed by the city council. Mo option two is appointed by the city council. That's the motion that's on the floor right now. Right, but would it be by would it be by ordinance or resolution? [2:09:21, 2:09:32]: Well, I don't know, I didn't make the motion. I I re I earlier in my comments I recommended we don't have an ordinance on this at all. But So let me ask that let me ask another question. So if we do pass this today, we could change it at any time, right? Right. Depending on what you passed. [2:09:32, 2:09:41]: If we pass that the city council appoint, we could turn around and and change it if we chose to. Yes. That would be that would assume that that's assuming that you're doing it by resolution. [2:09:41, 2:09:48]: Right. So that's what we're doing? No. Well I don't know. Will of counsel expressed in two ways resolution or ordinance? [2:09:49, 2:09:52]: Ms. Gantt made the motion. What's the motion? [2:09:53, 2:09:55]: If we do it by ordinance, we can't change it. [2:09:55, 2:10:03]: Yes, you can change it, but just it has to be a ordin a written the different rules for ordinances opposed to residents. Okay. And what is that rule? [2:10:04, 2:10:11]: The ordinance would have to be written that you're changing and it would go through the mayor's off the mayor's office for his signature of veto. [2:10:11, 2:10:31]: Okay, I'm okay with that'cause it's just draft, right? An amendment. I'm okay with that. So if you miss so example for example, if you're taking the ordinance that's written and you decide you want to amend it from the DS and say that we want to change this to where the city council appoints and this is the person that the person reports to and all that stuff, you can do it here and that will become [2:10:31, 2:10:51]: The new ordinance that would be drafted and go to the mayor for signature. If the mayor signs it, then it goes to Municode and it is an ordinance. If the mayor vetoes it, then it comes back to you all to decide about vetoing it. If it's a resolution, then it would not go to the mayor. It would be a resolution saying that you all are going to appoint. And then as they were going. [2:10:51, 2:10:58]: through the process to get the candidates and all that stuff they brought to you all for you to make decisions about who you're appointing. [2:11:00, 2:11:01]: Mm-hmm. [2:11:02, 2:11:07]: That same process would also happen during an ordinance, but you would have the mayor's signature on the ordinance. [2:11:08, 2:11:10]: that would go up to Munico. [2:11:14, 2:11:34]: The resolution gives the mayor the resolution does not give the mayor because it's not an ordinance. The resolution does not give the mayor the ability to veto it. If you do an ordinance, the mayor will be told it's a good idea. What I do what I may have to be told. Okay, good question. I'll answer that question here. I made a recommendation that I don't think an ordinance is needed at all for this action. This action should go back just [2:11:34, 2:11:54]: We I think we whatever reason, whatever reason what has happened to pass, I think it needs to change, and uh and I believe that the city clerk should be able to actually um go ahead and hire, along with the process with the HR, to hire the deputy. Now, if you ask, will I veto it? Well, I'll tell you what, if it becomes an ordinance and four of you don't agree, then the chances are I would vote. [2:11:54, 2:12:09]: of V to it, which would which prolong things, so I'm not in favor of doing orders in the first place. So to answer your question, yes, the option if the option is there, if four of you don't say if four of you don't pass this, then I the option is most likely I would V to it. Then we'll back to square one. [2:12:09, 2:12:28]: All right? And and and you know I can I will vote I will veto things if need be. Now whether or not you override me is not a story. You overwrote me this night. All right, but the but I don't think we should have an ordinance, period. You shouldn't have it. I'm telling you. But you all decide and then if you give me the option, I'll make a decision based on my options. Okay. All right. All right. [2:12:29, 2:12:31]: So what do you want to do? [2:12:31, 2:12:35]: I will make it I will move to make it a resolution. [2:12:36, 2:12:38]: Okay,'cause I can't vote over resolutions. That's right. [2:12:39, 2:12:53]: Okay. So you what's your actual motion now? Uh what's your motion for this? Now make sure the clerks got it right and we all understand. The question is that we continue on like we've been on which is option which is the second option. We've been doing this since the nineteen thirties. [2:12:54, 2:12:57]: Where the council appoints a deputy clerk. [2:12:59, 2:13:19]: Okay, that's that's that's your motion. Is there a second to the motion? Mayor there was no vote on the first motion option. That's that's right. The appointment of the I I We already had a motion on the floor, that's correct. Unless she rescinds I rescind that option. You rescind which option? For the second ordinance. And I would like to change that to a resolution. [2:13:20, 2:13:32]: Okay. Okay, make sure we got this right under writing so we'd be accurate with this. So you're you're you're so you're rescinding the first one about option two in reference to the appointment of by the city council. You're rescinding that one. Is that what you're saying? [2:13:32, 2:13:38]: Yes. Okay, and now you made so that's resent. So you made it so you can rescind that. Okay, now you're s your next motion is to do what now? [2:13:39, 2:13:48]: To make a resolution that states that the uh deputy clerk shall be appointed by the C City Council. [2:13:48, 2:14:00]: Okay, is there a second that motion? Is it further any further discussion? Yes, well uh I reserved the right to come back for a later discussion with this, but tonight to move things forward, we'll call for the vote. [2:14:01, 2:14:04]: Any further conversation? All right, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:14:05, 2:14:06]: Opposed. [2:14:08, 2:14:11]: So motion pass three to two. All right, we'll move on. [2:14:14, 2:14:34]: Consent agenda. Council of Consideration approved Yellowstone Landscape, Campground Road, and Hudson Bridge Road, medium enhancement payment and amount of$70,158.96. Mr. Aaron has that. Council Consideration approved the surplus list of items from information technology in City Hall in place for advertisement on the ground. [2:14:34, 2:14:54]: Goldoves platform for sale as prescribed. Mr. Wiggins has that. Council consideration approved upskill uh Stockbridge Memorandum of Understanding MU, MOU between the city uh Stockbridge and Southern Crescent Technical College for the 2023-2024 academic year. Uh [2:14:54, 2:15:01]: And that's uh Mr. Alant says that these are on a consent agenda. You're all in favor? Yes, sir. What what question do you have, sir? [2:15:01, 2:15:06]: I've gotten three different um eras of of um [2:15:06, 2:15:08]: Of funding. [2:15:09, 2:15:10]: For [2:15:12, 2:15:13]: And it's not on here. [2:15:14, 2:15:20]: uh for the Hudson Bridge Road project. Because one of the thing one of the things my uh [2:15:20, 2:15:25]: I'm for any beautification we're doing on Hudson Bridge Road. [2:15:25, 2:15:27]: I wanna put that out first. [2:15:27, 2:15:34]: Okay. But Hudson Bridge Road used to go all the way down to forty two until they called it Eagles Landing Road. [2:15:35, 2:15:39]: And one of the things that we're doing if we're gonna do that road [2:15:40, 2:15:44]: And we need to state where the funding is, put it on here on the agenda, first of all. [2:15:45, 2:15:46]: Funding source. [2:15:47, 2:15:53]: But if we're gonna start doing that, we gotta look at Eagles Landing Parkway. We gotta look at w all this rock. [2:15:54, 2:15:58]: right there at Rock Quarry and Eagles Landing Parkway, that that medium [2:15:58, 2:16:01]: It's not a grass medium, but it's a dilapidated medium. [2:16:02, 2:16:09]: That now the city needs to start looking at and paying attention to. Look at the signs. Look at this the overhead signs. [2:16:10, 2:16:12]: You can't even read'em, they're so dilapidated. [2:16:13, 2:16:15]: So we're gonna start funding [2:16:16, 2:16:28]: The roads. Let's fund the road. The whole road. The whole area. The whole road. Let's put funding there for the the whole road. And then we need to put on here where we identifying the funding at. [2:16:30, 2:16:32]: Does anybody on here know where it's coming from? [2:16:32, 2:16:51]: Because what I've been told, I'm just trying to make sure we can get it from there. All right, this these are all three on the consent agenda now, uh which would take which consent agenda would take one vote. Now, each and the individuals that have these topics are all here. If we need an individual discussion on that, I suppose. But we probably need to break it out of consent agenda if that's the case, I would imagine. [2:16:52, 2:16:56]: My my my my problem is with this, what I'm saying, Mayor. Okay. [2:16:57, 2:17:13]: Is I'm okay with the city uh consent agenda. Okay. But like we've a always asked Mr. Aaron, could you read the podium please? Everything needs to have the funding source posted. But when we start talking about roads, which you c we're broken up in districts now. [2:17:14, 2:17:24]: And the minute they start fixing up Hudson Bridge Road and they l I'm gonna get the calls about that medium right there at Rock Bridge, I'm gonna say right there at Rock Bridge and Eagles Landing Parkway. [2:17:26, 2:17:28]: So when we start talking about beautification. [2:17:29, 2:17:31]: Don't don't don't include ugly. [2:17:31, 2:17:35]: And thinking I'm gonna be okay with it for district district three. [2:17:35, 2:17:43]: We need to make sure that we're we're we're cleaning that at least clean it up. All right. All right, Mr. Aaron, and can you answer those questions here? [2:17:43, 2:17:57]: So as far as the funding that was coming from the three percent non restrict the hotel motel tax for the Hudson Road, Eagles Land I'm Hudson Road Ridge Road and Campground Road beautification project. [2:17:57, 2:17:59]: How much is in that three percent? [2:17:59, 2:18:00]: [8281.0, 8281.9]: Mr. Wiggins. [2:18:03, 2:18:03]: So [2:18:05, 2:18:07]: Uh thank you. Mr. Wiggins, can you come forward please? [2:18:09, 2:18:11]: About a million dollars. [2:18:12, 2:18:12]: Yeah. [2:18:13, 2:18:14]: What's the question? [2:18:15, 2:18:20]: The question is on the hotel motel tax, this is gonna come from the three percent. [2:18:20, 2:18:21]: How much money is in the three percent? [2:18:22, 2:18:23]: Oh [2:18:24, 2:18:27]: For the um hotel motel fund balance. [2:18:27, 2:18:29]: Last it was from the heart, it was about [2:18:30, 2:18:41]: See, Mr. Wiggins, I told y'all before and I you know you know, I appreciate everything y'all do. But this is a question But when we start talking about about and around that that doesn't go anywhere with me. [2:18:42, 2:18:45]: Because we got computers, we need to have figures, we need to have extra figures. [2:18:47, 2:19:00]: So when we when we put on the agenda that this gonna come from hotel motel tax, this is a prudent question that's gonna be asked. How much is in there? Because if there's enough in there, I wanna see uh Eagles Landing Parkway done too. [2:19:00, 2:19:05]: If we're spending money from hotel motel, so I need to I really need to know how much money we got in there. [2:19:07, 2:19:10]: We'll have to get back to you. I'll I can get it to you, send it to you tomorrow. [2:19:10, 2:19:24]: But we can't put this stuff on the agenda unless we got the answers to the question. I wanna see Hudson Bridge Road beautified. I thank uh Mr. Alexander for the work that they've been doing down there. It looks like night and day from what it used to look like. [2:19:25, 2:19:38]: I wanna see it beautified, but also wanna see District 3 area beautified. I wanna see Eagles Landing Parkway and O'Sign, if we're using hotel motel tax at 3%, let me know what what what's in that 3% account. [2:19:39, 2:19:47]: Because I need to know I need to know even if the seventy thousand dollars in there. You send me m m if I could respond. [2:19:48, 2:20:08]: Go right ahead, please, sir. Yeah, Mr. Blount, I I certainly concur with your sentiments in that uh the whole area. If you remember two years ago when we originally passed this, that was exactly what we were supposed to do. Uh Campground Road and Hudson Bridge was supposed to be the first project. There were supposed to be additional projects. [2:20:08, 2:20:28]: All around the city as a part of all of the beautification. That was just supposed to be the initial project. The Campground Road Project and the Hudson Bridge project are complete. We just need to pay for them at this point. And I believe there's close to a million dollars in this hotel motel tax. [2:20:28, 2:20:48]: Uh account. I think you had like eight or nine hundred thousand dollars in the account. Last saw it was eight hundred, eight hundred sixty thousand. So it with over the year we've been collecting it throughout the year. So there's plenty of money in there. We just need to prioritize what we're needing to do and set the priorities for each district. As you said at the time when we passed this, we didn't have [2:20:47, 2:20:59]: districts. So maybe we should go back and look at what each district specifically needs. And I concur because I share Eagles Landing Parkway with you that Median certainly does need to be cleaned up. [2:21:00, 2:21:01]: Ms. Barber, you had a comment? [2:21:03, 2:21:22]: Well this item is on the consent agenda. It is on the consent agenda. So I didn't think we would have discussions regarding items that are on the consent agenda. Well normally you you know I would say normally we probably do not, but uh since there's a concern about the funding issue, I thought we'd just maybe go down the road. [2:21:22, 2:21:24]: I'm sorry, say again, please. [2:21:25, 2:21:42]: Would it be best for us to remove this particular item from the consent agenda so that we can have discussions? Yeah, well that's uh probably something we can do. Okay. I would imagine I would make a motion to remove this from the consent agenda so we can have further discussions. Is there a second motion? [2:21:43, 2:21:44]: Okay, all in favor please? Okay. [2:21:45, 2:21:50]: Okay, there we go. We'll take it off the consent agenda. It's off the consent agenda, so go ahead with discussions of item number nine. [2:21:51, 2:21:53]: Any further comments or questions about item number nine? [2:21:54, 2:21:55]: Well [2:21:55, 2:21:58]: In response to Mr. Алеxander, uh [2:22:00, 2:22:03]: Mr. Wickins, you said it's over eight hundred thousand in in there. [2:22:03, 2:22:06]: Yeah, but I I do want to uh But what is the three percent? [2:22:08, 2:22:11]: Three percent that we I'm not talking about the overall collection. [2:22:12, 2:22:15]: Because we can only divert the three percent. [2:22:16, 2:22:17]: What is the three percent? [2:22:18, 2:22:20]: I'll have to get back to you with that. [2:22:20, 2:22:25]: See that's the question that's the question in itself. [2:22:26, 2:22:30]: Because if it's not there if it's if if this amount is not there. [2:22:31, 2:22:35]: Then where are the r where the rest gonna come from if we approve it tonight? [2:22:37, 2:22:43]: The rest for what? If if the seventy thousand is not there in the three percent. [2:22:45, 2:22:45]: You say it is? [2:22:46, 2:23:06]: I'm I'm pretty sure that 70,000, we have 70,000 for the city. But see, Mr. Wiggins, as our treasure, we can't have you, pretty sure. We have to say yes or no. But we but I need to have these questions before when you're talking about figures. But if you put it on the agenda, y'all should be ready for everything. Whoever put it on the agenda, I need to know what's in that three percent because if there's seventy [2:23:06, 2:23:12]: but seventy thousand is not in there, then where's the rest of the money gonna come from if we approve this tonight? [2:23:12, 2:23:13]: Yeah. [2:23:13, 2:23:14]: Stand by please. [2:23:15, 2:23:25]: That that's my c I'm just saying that's my question. I'm not trying to put anybody on blast or anything. I'm just saying if we're going to have a funding source for any projects. [2:23:26, 2:23:46]: We need to make sure the funding source is feasible enough to supply the money for this. And if we want to expand the areas of these funding sources for the projects, then you we should be able to be told that the money is there. I mean, that's all. I'm not trying to put Ms. We're not trying to put your glass or you, Mr. Uh Eric. I'm just trying to say if the three [2:23:46, 2:23:49]: per if it's coming from the three percent, I just need to know that number. [2:23:50, 2:23:57]: So could we have a motion to approve pending the the seventy thousand dollars is in that account so we don't have to come back? [2:23:58, 2:24:18]: I'm fine with that. I'm fine. I'm fine with leaving. I'm I'm fine with that. And in reference to yours about the Eagles Landing, the Eagles Landing Homeowners Association, the median there from I think it's like Country Club down to Highway 42 is maintained by them. The road is in the process of being resurfaced, and Henry County is taking a lead on that as part [2:24:18, 2:24:38]: Of our T-SPLOST, the city is contributing a portion towards the resurfacing and beautification of Eagles Landing Parkway and Hudson Bridge Road. So that is that is on the docket, but the city is contributing like 800,000 out of our T-SPLOST, and Henry County has it in their contract with Blount for the resurfacing. [2:24:38, 2:24:45]: surfacing no I'll be both landing and Austin Bridge. [2:24:46, 2:24:50]: When you coming south on Rock Quarry. [2:24:50, 2:24:54]: To Eagles Landing Parkway before you cross over to Patrick Henry? Yes. [2:24:54, 2:24:56]: That medium is so long. [2:24:57, 2:25:01]: That I'm literally seeing people because the striping is gone. [2:25:01, 2:25:15]: Prit is is really bad and the medium is busted. I'm talking about safety. That th that that rock and all that stuff needs to be fixed, painted, where people know that it's on the other side of that yellow that you need to turn. But [2:25:15, 2:25:34]: That's part of the resurfacing and but but but I can't wait months or another year or all this. We have to we have to hear we have to make it safe. You got you got loose rocks. You got loose rocks sitting over there at the that's the part I'm talking about. Either we gonna make it look real ugly by removing the rocks. [2:25:34, 2:25:36]: Oh, we're gonna go in and just lease. [2:25:37, 2:25:39]: Uh fixed the curve on it and paint it yellow. [2:25:40, 2:25:40]: I mean [2:25:41, 2:25:52]: That's not too expensive to do that while everybody's doing everything else. I'd rather lose fifteen thousand dollars doing it, doing that, rather than lose somebody's life because we didn't do it. [2:25:55, 2:25:57]: That's what I'm saying. It's a safety hazard. [2:25:59, 2:26:01]: Ms. Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. [2:26:01, 2:26:09]: Ma Mayor Ford, for me it it's apparent that we're not ready to to to vote on this issue. [2:26:09, 2:26:29]: uh that's information that's that's needed. Uh councilman Alexander somewhat mentioned uh the possibility of dividing funds up uh for the entire city. It just it just appeared to mean that we are not ready. Uh Mr. Wiggins, Mr. Aaron [2:26:29, 2:26:40]: It's apparent also that you all need to come back with f facts and figures in order for this council to make these kind of decisions. [2:26:40, 2:27:00]: It's it's it's it it it just it's just it's just a mess right now and and I I just don't see how we and and I know um Councilman Blount has said this before about when we have agenda items, staff need to be prepared to come with facts and figures. And I think this is where we are again. So I just [2:27:00, 2:27:20]: Don't see us being able to make a decision tonight because the information is not there. And I'm leaning toward a comment that uh Councilman Alexander made about let's look and see how we can divide funds up for the entire city, not just in one or two particular uh uh areas. So [2:27:20, 2:27:30]: So I I just think we just need to go back to the drawing board with a little bit more homework. Because uh I'm ready to vote on the contingency. [2:27:31, 2:27:32]: I'm ready to vote on it. [2:27:33, 2:27:35]: Uh when you know w [2:27:36, 2:27:41]: I'm just when I when I brought up Eagles Landing Parkway, we have to look at that road in itself. [2:27:42, 2:27:59]: When you have those projects that are in everyone's different districts, I'm not gonna say anything about that. I'm not gonna say, oh, what about me? What about me? It's not that. I'm talking about the health hazard. If there's money to fix that area, let's do it. So I'm I'm ready to vote on the contingency. [2:27:59, 2:28:05]: I I'm not in a position where I'm not ready to vote because this is before us and if we have the funds to do it, [2:28:06, 2:28:08]: We can I'm I'm okay with doing it. [2:28:09, 2:28:25]: My problem is is that we need figures in front of us. We shouldn't have to deal with contingencies and we need to go ahead and move forward with what the totality of everything put before us and Eagles Landing Parkway is a is a is a it's dangerous. [2:28:26, 2:28:29]: Is d y you can't see the stripings. You got rocks in the road. [2:28:30, 2:28:34]: There's that's a there's a danger sitting there. And so if money is in there. [2:28:35, 2:28:37]: We we need to we need to use it. [2:28:38, 2:28:44]: Even if it's just a small fix to just clean the rocks up and somebody go by and put the and and just paint it. [2:28:45, 2:28:52]: If we gotta redo it, then so so be it. I don't want anybody losing, getting hurt because we're not doing our due diligence and making it safe. [2:28:52, 2:28:58]: Mr. Aaron, you made a suggestion earlier. Uh I think if the council heard that could some about uh [2:28:58, 2:29:18]: A comment about coming b coming back if it approved tonight, you come back with some additional information? Uh John's gonna verify tomorrow what the uh a budget what the amount is in that in that fund. And if it's the seventy thousand dollars, which I know it is, then we it we get that information to you, but it's [2:29:18, 2:29:29]: pending on the money being available so that we can go ahead and pay the vendor. So well with that being said, you you almost like you don't really know if it's in there. So I think No the uh [2:29:30, 2:29:49]: I have assurance that the funding is there. And so but I just don't wanna we gotta wait till the next meeting, what that's two weeks from now, three weeks from now, whatever the next meeting to go ahead and pay for work that has been done. I mean the project has been completed. And it and it's a beautiful. So this is to pay for something that's already been done? [2:29:50, 2:30:03]: You know, the the conversation was uh as I recall when we discussed this, it was if it was determined that it could be paid from the hotel motel tax, then we move forward with the project. And and that's what we did. [2:30:04, 2:30:20]: Right. That's what that's the original discussion we had two years ago. It was approved by the council and voted on. Then then why didn't we do it? Then if that was the case, why didn't we do it? That's why we moved forward with the project. It was that we could pay for it out of that non [2:30:20, 2:30:27]: non restricted hotel motel tax. And so that's what we're using to pay for the project. [2:30:27, 2:30:47]: It but then I g I I kinda go back to what I was saying, if that's the case, if if you've already done that how did you PO the project without without the funds already being allocated? We don't have the PO, that's why we're coming now. So it was determined that it was it should have came back before it counts to get the resolution. So y'all done it or [2:30:47, 2:30:51]: No P.O. and then you come to council to pay for it. [2:30:51, 2:30:53]: Because the question was [2:30:54, 2:31:11]: Can it be paid out of the hotel and then but there's also but even Mr. Aaron, you know, even with that, there's still a process in place. Yes. There's not an urgency in place to do it. I realize that there's a process in place to make it happen. Yes. And that process is flawed right now. That's that that's been flawed. [2:31:11, 2:31:12]: So I mean [2:31:13, 2:31:14]: We um [2:31:14, 2:31:22]: We may have to so is there a motion? What's what's the motion for this particular item, Council? Um I think that my motion is [2:31:23, 2:31:25]: And in motion. Let's go for it. [2:31:27, 2:31:29]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. [2:31:29, 2:31:45]: It's already done. For me and and and Mr. Blount sort of hit the nail on the head. And and and I wanna re restate this and re-emphasize this because this practice, Mr. Aaron. [2:31:46, 2:31:47]: Should not happen again. [2:31:48, 2:31:52]: The work should never be done before. [2:31:52, 2:31:56]: The item has come before the council and and and and approved. [2:31:57, 2:32:14]: And I just wanna just go on record to say that even though the work now has been done and and somebody is is owed the the finances, you know, it leaves us with no choice. But I just wanna mention this process, we should never [2:32:16, 2:32:17]: Mr. City Manager. [2:32:19, 2:32:39]: It let me just it does not fall on the city manager, it falls on me. I take responsibility for it. But what happened though? The conversation was whether it could be paid out of hotel, motel tax. That was the biggest conversation. And if it could be, then we'd move forward with it. We just have to come back before. [2:32:38, 2:32:50]: for council and formally ratify it. Once we found out that it could, then we just we moved forward with the project because it was during the growing season. It wasn't we were trying to hide or circumvent anything. [2:32:50, 2:33:04]: We so that I would never accuse you of traffic. That was the conversation. The the mistake is I didn't bring it before council and say, hey, we can take the money, take the funds out of there and get approval, formal approval to do it. [2:33:05, 2:33:25]: All right. L let me say this. I just want to add some clarification to this. Two years ago the council did vote on this. We voted to approve these two projects ourselves. So I don't know, Ms. Dare, we did we did vote to approve these two projects uh on this dais. We voted to but it was two years ago. [2:33:25, 2:33:36]: So certainly we those stipulations were put into it that we would approve it contingent upon. It could be paid for out of the hotel motel tax. It was voted on and approved by the council. [2:33:36, 2:33:38]: Yeah, but Mr. Alexander. [2:33:39, 2:33:46]: We voted approve on many odds uh uh items that the funding sources identify. [2:33:46, 2:34:06]: But if it's over$50,000, that comes to the council for approval for the exact amount. We didn't approve$70, uh$158.96 because we didn't have$70,190, uh$58.96 before us. Every item that we bring before us has been approved and the [2:34:06, 2:34:15]: If under source had been approved, it just has to come to us to move forward. So that's how it works. So, how about we go and get a motion so we can move on? Is there a motion on the floor? [2:34:16, 2:34:17]: A motion, please. [2:34:18, 2:34:38]: The motion to do what? Well, I mean d we took it off the consent agenda. We had this plenty of discussion. So are we gonna approve are we gonna go forward and give a yay to this aspect of now? But here's the thing. The city now we're at a place where we've got to approve it. Okay. Or we'll find ourselves in litigation with Yellowstone for doing some work. I need a motion for a sort of thing. I need a motion. I'm asking for a motion. [2:34:38, 2:34:39]: So move. [2:34:40, 2:34:43]: To approve. So approved. So Okay. Is there a second emotion? [2:34:44, 2:34:47]: Okay, Mr. Bluson. On favor, please indicate. [2:34:48, 2:34:50]: Thank you, Mr. Mayor Cows. [2:34:50, 2:34:57]: Are you are you opposed uh approving or opposing? I approve it, but I do have a comment. Okay, it's is it's unanimously passed. Miss Barber has a comment. [2:34:59, 2:35:00]: Mr. Gardner. [2:35:01, 2:35:02]: Can you please come to the podium? [2:35:05, 2:35:08]: [9315.1, 9316.8]: Please, sir, help us. [2:35:17, 2:35:20]: With these kinds of expenses. [2:35:21, 2:35:23]: We need to hear from you. [2:35:23, 2:35:26]: Especially in these kind of situations. [2:35:30, 2:35:33]: I don't understand how a project has been completed. [2:35:33, 2:35:36]: That's beyond your spending authority. [2:35:37, 2:35:38]: It's already been completed. [2:35:38, 2:35:39]: In fact [2:35:39, 2:35:42]: The council had this discussion before you were hired. [2:35:43, 2:35:46]: I know this is not your responsibility. I mean it's not all on you. [2:35:47, 2:35:48]: I know that. [2:35:50, 2:35:51]: Please stop the bleeding. [2:35:52, 2:35:54]: This has got to stop. [2:35:54, 2:35:54]: Yes. [2:35:55, 2:35:57]: We cannot keep functioning. [2:35:57, 2:35:58]: This way. [2:35:59, 2:36:00]: That's all. [2:36:00, 2:36:01]: Thank you, sir. [2:36:01, 2:36:08]: All right, so council we had two of the item on the consent agenda, items number ten and eleven. Unless there's any type of [2:36:08, 2:36:27]: additional dis uh discussion, I would look for a motion to approve those two items. So move. Mr. Blount so moved. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Second. All favor please indicate. Those items passed unanimously. Okay. Fantastic. Public hearing item twelve, thirteen, fourteen will now be deferred till the uh thirteenth of November. [2:36:27, 2:36:30]: And uh so we have new business. [2:36:30, 2:36:44]: Council is uh consideration to approve the renewal of the city of Stockbridge on call sidewalk replacement and repairs contract with DAF contract incorporated in the amount of three hundred thousand dollars. FY twenty twenty-four budget. Mr. Aaron, please. [2:36:45, 2:37:05]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. Uh Public Works is coming before you tonight to ask for approval for a renewal of our contract for on-call sidewalk repair and maintenance with DAF contract. We budgeted$300,000 in the FY 2024 budget. This will also include work. [2:37:05, 2:37:17]: and recently annexed areas along with the current city limits of stock bridge. So we're asking for approval to renew the contract with DAL for sidewalk repair and maintenance. So move. [2:37:18, 2:37:25]: Sir second. Mr. Bunso moved that. Is there a second? Second. All right. Um Ms. Gantt. All in favor, please indicate. [2:37:25, 2:37:45]: It's unanimous decision. Thank you very much, Council. All right. Council consideration to approve the change order number one from diversified construction of Georgia for the WWTP pole barn project in the amount of$181,041 and three cents for the removal and replacement of unsuitable soil. [2:37:45, 2:37:55]: Soils PLOS five. Mr. Aaron, please. Yes, Mr. Mayor. Council. I have uh Mr. Brad Holzinger, our sewer superintendent who's managing this project for us, and he can speak to it. [2:37:57, 2:38:15]: Welcome Brad. Th thank you. Uh thank you, Mayor and Council. Uh this is too unsuitable soil, uh unforeseen to start with. Uh can't build build on it and we've really gone too far to turn around and say no. [2:38:18, 2:38:20]: Any questions for Brad at all, Council? [2:38:21, 2:38:21]: Yeah. [2:38:22, 2:38:35]: If not in your motion is to accept this proposal? So move. Mr. Blount, so moved. Is there a second? I second. Ms. Gantt second. All favor, please indicate. Fantastic, now the decision. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. [2:38:36, 2:38:50]: Council consideration to fill vacancies and appoint a member of the youth council advisory committee uh through um the s end of this year. Oh, excuse me, uh the end of twelve thirty one twenty-four, twenty twenty four. Miss Collie, please. [2:38:51, 2:38:59]: Uh good evening, Mayor and Council. Um we do have one vacancy on the youth council advisory committee and we do have one application. [2:39:00, 2:39:00]: Submit it. [2:39:01, 2:39:01]: Okay. [2:39:02, 2:39:03]: Miss Shawana Davis. [2:39:06, 2:39:10]: Mayor. Yes, sir. A motion to approve, Mr. Honor Davis. All right. Is there a second? [2:39:11, 2:39:15]: Second. Uh Mr Okay, Mr Thomas Segond, all in favor please indicate? [2:39:16, 2:39:30]: Damage decision, fantastic. Okay. And then the next one deals with uh Ms. Barber, you had you wanted to add an agenda in reference to two items uh for the uh that you want to use the Mural Manage Conference Center. I believe it is. [2:39:30, 2:39:32]: Yes, um [2:39:33, 2:39:43]: The month of October is breast cancer awareness month. I've partnered with several um medical professionals. Um and we're gonna host a breast [2:39:43, 2:39:45]: Friends event. [2:39:45, 2:39:49]: Um it will be a panel of medical professionals. [2:39:50, 2:39:50]: Um [2:39:51, 2:39:52]: On October second [2:39:53, 2:39:57]: We'll be using well, we're requesting to use a downstairs. [2:39:57, 2:39:59]: of the Merrill Manders Conference Center. [2:39:59, 2:40:01]: For the panel. [2:40:01, 2:40:03]: uh discussion on breast health. [2:40:04, 2:40:04]: Then [2:40:05, 2:40:07]: We're also gonna be [2:40:08, 2:40:13]: Using the Merlmanders downstairs, I'm partnering with women's imagery. [2:40:14, 2:40:19]: They're gonna be doing uh mammograms screenings on October ninth. [2:40:19, 2:40:23]: So I'm asking for use of the Merrill Manders Conference Center. [2:40:24, 2:40:25]: For both October second. [2:40:26, 2:40:28]: And both October ninth. [2:40:29, 2:40:30]: Both of them are on Mondays. [2:40:31, 2:40:36]: Okay. Uh uh second was Mr. Blount, so you second that. All in favor, please indicate. [2:40:37, 2:40:40]: Okay. [2:40:41, 2:40:45]: Alrighty. So what we have next are announcements. [2:40:48, 2:40:49]: Yeah. [2:40:49, 2:40:52]: Okay, one second please. [2:40:55, 2:40:57]: Citywide Development Authority meeting is too hold a second. [2:40:59, 2:41:19]: The citywide uh development authority meeting is second Tuesday of each month, six p.m. Uh City Hall Levi Meeting Room September twelfth. The downtown development authority meeting is third Tuesday of each month. And the Welcome Center at 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail Trail there, September 19th. U Council Advisory Committee meeting at 630 p.m. [2:41:19, 2:41:39]: P.M. third Tuesday of each month and Levi Meeting Room City Hall September 19th as well. City Council Work Session meeting last Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Council, September 26th. Planning Commission meeting 6:30, City Hall Council Chambers, fourth Thursday of each month, September 28th. Starbury Citizens Police Academy Council meeting first [2:41:39, 2:41:59]: First Thursday of each month, police precinct, 4545 North Henry Boulevard, communion room at 6 p.m. on October 5th. City Council meeting, second Monday of each month, 6 p.m. City Council Hall Chambers, October 9th. And then of course the youth council meeting, 6:30 p.m., second Monday of each month, City Hall Lead. [2:41:59, 2:42:01]: by meeting room October ninth as well. [2:42:03, 2:42:17]: Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. The Citywide Development Authority has canceled their meeting for September twelfth. Oh, is that right? Yes. And the Youth Council Advisory is going to have a special power meeting on September 14th. [2:42:17, 2:42:37]: Okay, fantastic. Though you just made those announcements there. All right. Uh I didn't realize that. Uh let's see here. Uh K for Main Street Advisory Board meeting the second Friday of each month. The Welcome Center at 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, uh 9 a.m. October 13th. [2:42:39, 2:42:59]: Upcoming city event. Uh join uh Mayor Mayor Pro Tem Barber for the next District 4 community forum on Thursday, September 14th at six from six p.m. to eight p.m. More Manos Conference Center located one eleven Davis Road. The Economic Development Strategy Strategic Plan Community Consensus Workshop will take place on Thursday. [2:42:58, 2:43:06]: September 14th from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. That's by way of Zoom. So we visit the website of the Stockbridge to log on for information. [2:43:07, 2:43:14]: Join Councilman Blount for Bingo Bash Wednesday, September twentieth from t uh ten AM to t uh noon. Ten AM to noon. [2:43:14, 2:43:17]: Merman is conference center located at 111 Davis Road. [2:43:18, 2:43:38]: Join Councilman Alfonso Thomas for the fifth annual first responders appreciation drive through luncheon. Recognizing dedication and sacrifice of Henry County's first responders, the event will take place on Thursday, September 21st, 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. in Mermanus Conference Center on 111 Davis Road. Join Mayor Ford for a monthly meet the mayor on Monday, September. [2:43:38, 2:43:57]: twenty fifth from ten a.m. to noon. Please contact Rawls and Rawls who schedule an appointment at 678-833-3348 or by way of email at R. Rawls at City of Stockbridge-GA dot Gov. Join the City of Stockbridge for the annual Bridge Fest Festival, taking place Saturday, September 30th at Stockbridge Amphitheater. [2:43:57, 2:44:10]: This is a free event with carniv carnival rides, food trucks, vendors, and con and a concert, of course. The gates open at three PM. Contract the events team is seven seven zero three eight nine five nine eight two for more information. [2:44:11, 2:44:18]: Join Councilwoman Gantt in partnership with the Southern Crescent Pearls Foundation of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorti Incorporated. Phi Salpha Phi. [2:44:19, 2:44:32]: Uh Sigma Phi Sigma Alpha Phi Sigma Psi Alpha Alpha Psi Alpha Omega. Geez, oh please forward. Phi Alpha Omega. Yes, and the chapter uh Business Matters, Entrepreneur and Black Business Ep Expo. [2:44:33, 2:44:48]: Saturday, October first, from eleven AM to five P. M. at Merle Manders Conference Center. And contact uh uh P A P A O Black Three Six Five at uh PSI Alpha Omega dot org for additional information. [2:44:49, 2:45:09]: Join Councilman Thomas for a Don't Trash Stockbridge initiative centered around education highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping. And then once again, Councilman Thomas for honoring the veterans a continued salute to all year long. Please send your pictures of veterans uh to the names and veterans of their names, branch, rank, and years of service to our ROS. [2:45:09, 2:45:29]: City of Stockbridge-G-A dot G O V. And join myself along with an activity I'm on Spartan on Saturday, September 28th, at Merle Manders Conference Center, 9 a.m. 12 noon. Empower as called Further Fathering, Empowering Men, Strengthening Families, and Transforming Communities. And that is an activity on Spartan. [2:45:29, 2:45:38]: sponsoring as well on that day, September twenty third, once again nine to noon for men. Actually is open to anybody. Okay, so on that note, uh [2:45:39, 2:45:59]: Please keep your uh get your tickets for upcoming uh 2023 Stockbridge Concert Series by visiting StockbridgeAMP.com or in person at the ticket office located at 4650 North Indian Boulevard. The ticket office is located, excuse me, is open from Thursday to Saturday, uh 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. And this upcoming weekend, we have [2:45:59, 2:46:19]: have uh baby face in stokely and uh the following weekend after that would be uh Stephanie Mills, Jeffrey Osborne and Micah Collier, and of course Priest Fest on the 30th of September, and then on the first of October, we have the Southern Soul Sh Soul show, which is already sold out, matter of fact. [2:46:19, 2:46:19]: Yeah. [2:46:19, 2:46:39]: It is definitely sold out. Um on my initial comments, uh obviously there's still a uh COVID is still out there. So uh I believe uh within the next several weeks, hopefully uh vaccination, additional vaccinations and boosters will be available for this new strain of COVID-19. So please adhere and get that so you can be safe and be healthy. [2:46:39, 2:46:59]: This aspect. Congratulations are uh in honor, I guess you may say, for a young lady, a 19-year-old that's uh born been raised here in Atlanta, Coco Golf, who win in the US Open and the youngest person to do this since uh Serena Williams, I think, did it in 1999, somewhere along those lines. So congratulations to uh George [2:46:59, 2:47:16]: Georgia resident in a sense, uh Atlanta native, Cocoa Golf. Um I believe that's all my uh Pacific comments. I do have a request for an exact session for personnel matters uh counsel if you if you if you honor to to have this discussion. Okay. [2:47:17, 2:47:18]: Mayor? Yes, ma'am. [2:47:19, 2:47:23]: I move that we go into the second session for personnel matters. Okay. Is there a second to that motion? [2:47:25, 2:47:27]: Is there a second to that motion? Yep. [2:47:27, 2:47:30]: Mr uh Alexander Segan, all in favor, please indicate. [2:47:31, 2:47:36]: Okay, I'll pose. Okay, that's f uh m Mr. Uh Thomas, you oppose, sir? [2:47:37, 2:47:44]: Okay, so otherwise four four zero one. I mean four one zero. All right, we'll we'll be back, ladies and gentlemen. [2:48:07, 2:48:22]: All right. There was no um former second session. There's nothing to report to the public this time uh at this moment, so I need a motion to end our council meeting. So moved. Ms. Kant, and Mr Mr. Thomas secondhand all in favor please indicate. All right, unanimous decision. Good night everybody. God bless you all.

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2023-08-29 source: 2023-08-29_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:25, 0:00:28]: Hey Council, this uh let's uh take our seats here and get started, please. [0:00:50, 0:00:58]: All right, ladies and gentlemen. Uh this is our council work session Tuesday, August twenty ninth. I'd like to have six oh one and like to call the meeting to order. [0:00:58, 0:01:00]: And please stand for the invocation. [0:01:02, 0:01:04]: And actually tonight I'm gonna do this, right? [0:01:05, 0:01:05]: Mm-hmm. [0:01:06, 0:01:26]: Lord can got continue to guide us and and work with us as we continue to do the city's business. The citizens want us to make good, solid decisions and what the betterment of our community in this aspect as well. Because always, Lord, to continue to have decent dialogue, understand the presentations, understand the presentations that are given to us, make good rational decisions. [0:01:25, 0:01:42]: as we continue to move the city forward. Be us always Lord in your name. Amen. Pledge allegiance to the flag, the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:01:43, 0:01:45]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:01:46, 0:01:51]: Mayor Ford? Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. [0:01:52, 0:01:55]: Present. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. [0:01:57, 0:02:09]: Let the record reflect Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a call. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh Council, I need a motion to accept the agenda, please. Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. [0:02:09, 0:02:12]: I'd like to um amend the agenda, please. [0:02:12, 0:02:23]: Okay, what is what item do you what do you I just want to do with the agenda to have a discussion um on a request to conduct a forensic audit. [0:02:25, 0:02:29]: Okay, one second. [0:02:29, 0:02:30]: To amend the agenda. [0:02:31, 0:02:32]: To have a discussion. [0:02:33, 0:02:34]: On a request. [0:02:35, 0:02:37]: To conduct a forensic audit. [0:02:38, 0:02:40]: Okay. It's okay. Is there a second to that mo motion? [0:02:42, 0:02:43]: Is there a second emotion? [0:02:44, 0:02:50]: There's not a second to the motion. I need a motion to uh adopt the agenda, please. So Mr. Blount, so moved. Is there a second? [0:02:50, 0:02:53]: Sorry. Mr. Alzheimer's secondhand. All in favor, please indicate. [0:02:54, 0:02:56]: Motion's approved uh unanimously. [0:02:57, 0:03:04]: Okay, and Council I'll need for you to review the draft minutes. You have the review of the council meeting minutes for July tenth. [0:03:04, 0:03:15]: of this year review of the public hearing uh draft minutes uh july eighteenth and also july oh eight twice on july eighteenth, one at nine AM, one at six PM and also the the [0:03:16, 0:03:18]: Review of the work session draft minutes on july twenty fifth. [0:03:19, 0:03:21]: And a public hearing drafting this on July twenty seventh. [0:03:22, 0:03:24]: I that was at nine AM. [0:03:24, 0:03:30]: And so review those and we'll be able to approve those at our next uh council meeting which is on set for September eleventh. [0:03:31, 0:03:42]: Madam Clerk, is there any public comments at all? Mayor Ford, there are no public comments. Okay. On that note, on that note we'll move on. Presentations, Park Master Plan Update presented by Mr. Aaron and TSW, please. [0:03:50, 0:04:01]: Yes, good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council. Good evening. Tonight we have Brian Bays and Miss Beverly Bale with TSW, and they will be presenting an update to the city's uh Parkmaster plan for your review. [0:04:03, 0:04:04]: Okay, thank you. [0:04:06, 0:04:11]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Welcome. Thanks for having us here tonight. Absolutely. No problem. [0:04:11, 0:04:31]: I'm Brian Bays with TSW. This is Beverly Bell, the project manager on this project. We've been engaged, as you know, now in this work for about a year and a half. And we wanted to bring a kind of update and presentation to you today on the work that we've [0:04:31, 0:04:51]: done. One critical uh aspect of the work um that we're that we really need action on uh is revolves around the budget uh and also the prioritization of uh park improvement. [0:04:51, 0:05:11]: So schedule-wise, you can see on the on the uh presentation, uh, these are kind of all the things that we've done. We've updated the schedule to show you where we are today, which is uh finalizing the action plan and funding uh after that uh or or after [0:05:10, 0:05:30]: After the plan is complete, but we've already started the preliminary schematic design for some of the parks based on the work that we've done in the master plan because it's not really impacted by the uh phasing uh at this point. So uh we're gonna give you a brief overview of the work that we've done today. [0:05:30, 0:05:50]: We're gonna show you again what the park plans look like, and then we're really gonna focus in on our kind of um I guess menu list of priorities and budgets. Uh you'll hear me say this a few times. Uh the numbers that we're [0:05:50, 0:06:08]: presenting uh are not final numbers. It's basically the cost if you did everything. And what we're seeking tonight or moving forward is a little bit of guidance on how you want to use capital to improve the parks. [0:06:12, 0:06:18]: Um, okay, so I'm gonna let Beverly talk a little bit about our uh efforts uh in the project. [0:06:19, 0:06:25]: All right, so as sorry. Um as you know we've done a lot of engagement and [0:06:26, 0:06:40]: beginning, I guess it's been a little over a year, we did all the engagement in twenty twenty three. We had uh four different steering committee meetings, we had three public input meetings and additional online surveys as well. [0:06:41, 0:06:56]: And so that engagement was really important to us. That helped inform the recommendations that you're about to see. We used that to get ideas of what the community wanted and then also helped to get priorities of what they wanted to see come in first for each of the parks. [0:06:58, 0:07:05]: So I'm gonna briefly go through each of the designs for the parks. These are y'all have seen these designs before, so I'll hit [0:07:05, 0:07:25]: A few of the key main points, and then at the end we can go back if you have questions about specific parks. So Memorial Park. Um so the main points of this is that first and foremost, upgrade and revitalize the existing park area. And then we're also looking at expanding the park area to the east and the city-owned [0:07:25, 0:07:39]: parcels and then creating that as a new park entrance and adding new park elements. We're also in addition upgrading the whole park to have some of those elements like the splash pad that were really desired by the community. [0:07:43, 0:08:03]: For Clark Park, we are expanding this parking area to meet some of those parking struggles that we've heard through this park. We're doing stream restoration, stream restoration and adding some of the other key park elements that the public felt would improve this park, such as the pickleball. [0:08:03, 0:08:23]: Tennis courts, new restrooms, instead of the large pavilion, clustering new medium-sized pavilions, relocating the dog park, exam expanding and updating the playground at Incommunity Park, and creating multifunctional food truck spaces. And then also, you'll see this with Gardner, we're looking at connection. [0:08:23, 0:08:25]: Connections between Clark Park and Gardner. [0:08:28, 0:08:36]: Uh this one is Gardner. So here the main elements are expanding the park to the south. Um as you can see in this parcel. [0:08:36, 0:08:43]: Uh we thought that that was important because it would add a new park entry and parking lot and that would provide a better ADA connection into the park. [0:08:44, 0:08:59]: In addition, there's an existing building in that parcel and that would help create a community center in that space. In addition to providing better entrance into the park, we're also proposing better ADA access throughout the key elements in the park. [0:09:00, 0:09:12]: Again, similar to the other parks, looking at stream restoration, adding things like restroom, updating the playground areas, and that connection piece to um Clark and then also to Cochrane. [0:09:15, 0:09:31]: Here for the Reeves Creek Trailhead, uh, we're looking at adding new sidewalk that actually connects into uh the future Flip and Road side path. Um we're adding a new restroom since that was highly desired by the public, adding shade at the fitness area. [0:09:31, 0:09:38]: Adding trailhead information kiosk that would provide inform um interpretive educational signage along the trail as well. [0:09:38, 0:09:44]: And then bike parking station, benches, and dogway stations, and also incorporating public art. [0:09:47, 0:09:58]: So those are the changes to the existing parks. Um as a part of this study, as you know, we also looked at um how much parkland is needed um to bring Stockbridge up to [0:09:58, 0:09:59]: Uh [0:09:59, 0:10:06]: those national standards at a ten-year increment and looking at the annexed population with an annual growth rate. [0:10:06, 0:10:26]: Um, so these are the numbers. Um, so for today's population, you would need 37 acres to get up to that standard uh with the annexed population, which was approved, is the 103 acres, 6.28 miles of trails. But we're really focusing on that uh 10-year number for this study, and that's the 150. [0:10:26, 0:10:27]: fifty six acres. [0:10:29, 0:10:38]: So at our last public meeting, we talked to the public about what size park uh that that would work that they felt like would be most appropriate for Stockbridge. [0:10:38, 0:10:46]: and collected input on that. And what the we heard from the community is that the community park size was the most desirable size. [0:10:47, 0:11:02]: So the way that we propose breaking out that 156 acres is with five new community parks at about 30 acres per size. And these, what a community park is, it's a larger park that serves multiple neighborhoods and it draws from a broader area. [0:11:03, 0:11:21]: And we're proposing that each of the parks would have a typical set of clay elements such as playground, open lawn, pavilions, walking paths, benches, and a restroom. But then also each of these parks could have their own unique elements that would be worked out in a further planning stage with the public. [0:11:21, 0:11:28]: Um and also by doing these five thirty acre parks, it allows for equitable distribution of parks throughout the community. [0:11:31, 0:11:42]: So here's a example of what some of those unique elements could look like. Uh so we're thinking that each of these parks could have a theme. You could have a sports park. [0:11:42, 0:12:02]: A multi-use park, a nature park, adventure park, and community park. In some of these, we came up with this list of programmatic elements based on what we heard from the community, what they really wanted to see, and then also the amount of uh elements that would help bring Stockbridge up to that uh national standard. But again, for each of these parks, [0:12:02, 0:12:11]: Parks they'll have to have their own design process that will really work with the community to decide what's appropriate for the exact location it's in. [0:12:13, 0:12:19]: Um so we also looked at where in the community would be the best location for these parks. [0:12:20, 0:12:29]: Uh we did not get down to parcel specific locations. Instead, we developed these uh circles that you can see on the map that are recommended vicinity areas. [0:12:29, 0:12:32]: That are about one mile um long. [0:12:32, 0:12:39]: And this is again, we're looking at areas making sure that there's an equitable distribution throughout the community for these new parks. [0:12:39, 0:12:55]: And we're prioritizing areas that are outside of the existing twenty-minute walk shed. Um as you can see on the map, these turquoise areas, that's the walkshed. So these are pri prioritizing areas where there's not already a a park that's walkable for people. [0:12:58, 0:13:18]: Here are the new trails. So for the trails, our goals were to we looked at the uh the existing trails master plan and we looked at the trails that were already proposed by the county. Um then we looked at connecting into those, connecting the existing parks to downtown and the amphitheater, connecting to schools. [0:13:18, 0:13:24]: community resources and public green spaces, and then also connecting to those future park spaces. [0:13:30, 0:13:50]: Okay. Um now that you kind of have a an overview of uh the parks and kind of what we're talking about. Um we can kind of dive into you know some of our ideas about phasing. Uh I do want to reiterate one thing before I jump into this. So uh all the [0:13:50, 0:14:10]: programming for these parks are were came from an exhaustive public input uh process, uh working with this group for input uh and other stakeholders in the city to understand what uh the needs and desires are for these parks. Um [0:14:10, 0:14:30]: And then we uh cross-referenced that with national standards, uh, which is where you know the idea for some of this park acreage need kind of comes from. So we looked at your peers, and you know, what we're saying is that your peers have this much on average park. [0:14:30, 0:14:37]: land for you to come up to that standard, that's what we've kind of outlined today. [0:14:38, 0:14:43]: Uh and we also looked at that uh programmatically. So um [0:14:43, 0:15:03]: So short-term phases, phase one and two. You know, what we heard, you know, uh was that there was an immediate need to address issues at the existing parks. Um and really in the first uh first two phases were focused on Memorial Gardener uh and [0:15:03, 0:15:23]: And uh Clark Park. And you know, we have a really detailed breakdown of um you know what the phases of sub phases of work are uh and costs. And I'm not gonna get into the details of that, but we have provided the details of that information uh to you so that you can. [0:15:23, 0:15:43]: Can drill down into that if you wish to. It's pretty extensive. So for phase one and two, we're focused mostly or almost entirely on the existing parks. We do have a couple columns here for financials. Some of the things that we're recommending. [0:15:43, 0:16:03]: recommending are already funded. The first column for phase one, you know, almost$11 million is kind of the overall budget. You've already got one point almost$1.5 million in funding earmarked from the SPLOST to cover some of that work. It may include trails. [0:16:03, 0:16:05]: Uh as well. [0:16:06, 0:16:16]: Um phase two uh same uh is the same uh thing and it doesn't look like we have a total uh on those, but um uh [0:16:17, 0:16:37]: For trails, the priority was provide north-south connectivity. So we want to c connect the existing parks, uh north-south, east, and west. And there are also some neighborhoods uh that we're trying to connect to as well uh to make them more walkable. And then I think the last thing is uh in phase two. [0:16:37, 0:16:55]: uh which we've heard gotten a lot of feedback on is that uh land acquisition for the new park or a new park uh in the Eagles Landing area uh was a very popular uh item that people uh wanted s to support in the public. [0:16:56, 0:17:10]: Uh the midterm phases. Uh so this is kind of the four to seven year range. Um uh we're we'd like to focus on land acquisition and design and construction for two new parks. [0:17:10, 0:17:11]: Um [0:17:11, 0:17:31]: So that would include design and construction uh for the Eagles Landing Park that we uh did land acquisition for in phase uh two, and then uh acquiring land for the Walt Stevens Highway area and Eagles uh Landing Parkway uh area, which is uh separate from that first one. [0:17:32, 0:17:52]: Uh finish the final phases of the existing parks. So each of the existing parks had multiple phases and we prioritize those phases within the parks. So this for the second half of the first four to seven, or the second half of the first one to seven years, we'd focus on finishing that work out. [0:17:52, 0:18:04]: And for trails, we want to achieve additional connections to existing parks and focus on extending trails to the two new parks that we've now identified. [0:18:07, 0:18:27]: This is a 10-year plan. I didn't mention that. Um, but uh which is an important piece of information. So on the back half of the of the um of the 10 years, uh we'll focus on land acquisition for the other two new parks, uh and do final phases of uh Gardner Clark Memorial Park. [0:18:27, 0:18:43]: and the Reeves Creek Trailhead. And then again look at trail connections to those existing parks as well. Or the sorry the new parks that are in that long-term plan. [0:18:46, 0:19:06]: That's an overview. And um I think uh and and if we need to drill down into any more details, we do have we kind of appended the plans on here if we need to talk about that. But uh I guess I guess one of the things that we're really looking for moving forward, because the the bulk of the analysis and [0:19:06, 0:19:26]: And the designs and the plan is complete. I think we've given or we're giving you a menu of phases and priorities. So the first thing you know we want to know is what is a reasonable budget, yearly budget, or 10 years. [0:19:26, 0:19:46]: year budget, uh and then the second thing, how do we apply that? And we've we've kind of we've kind of in our minds thought that there's probably two ways to tackle this. Um the first way is just to say we want to do everything and you know if you want to do that, the funding needs 141 million dollars. That's a big number. So [0:19:46, 0:20:06]: So I think this the second way that we are thinking about this is, you know, maybe you look at the first one to five years and what the funding looks like for that, because a lot of your existing SPLOSS funds will be used to complete some of that work. And then potentially. [0:20:06, 0:20:26]: Potentially re potentially do a planned update at five years based on the success of that work, and then consider the last five-year budget and phasing at that point. So those are kind of the two, those are our two options. You don't, you know, you don't have to do those, but I think the second one. [0:20:26, 0:20:37]: probably makes sense as a kind of cautious approach uh uh to doing it and the first one's just going for it. All right. Mr. Blount, please, what kind of questions you have, sir? Yeah, thank you, Mayor. [0:20:38, 0:20:58]: Um thank you for your presentation. Um and we're just mindful that it this is an overall master plan that we're absolutely looking at. Um from the parking from now that you have at Memorial Park, with this design, how much parking [0:20:58, 0:20:59]: would increase. [0:21:00, 0:21:02]: Oh, let's go back to that slide. [0:21:03, 0:21:10]: Because you're looking at adding more amenities, but how many how much parking are you is in there for the [0:21:11, 0:21:17]: So this over here we would have approximately a hundred and five spaces. And then over here [0:21:19, 0:21:35]: I think that says eighty, eighty spaces. Um and I don't off the top of my head know how many are out there. Um we did look at that, but this is significantly increasing the So you would have a total of hundred and eighty five parking spaces at least? Almost two hundred. Yep, almost two hundred. [0:21:36, 0:21:46]: Okay. Uh in the Eagles Landing area, we y uh we h we hear a lot about a park. Where would where would you put the park to to maintain the city of Stockbridge? [0:21:50, 0:21:55]: Uh we don't have a s we didn't look at specific parcels, um but [0:21:55, 0:22:05]: Uh one one reason we did choose these areas is that we did run um a susceptible to ch ability to change for the parcels. So that was looking at [0:22:05, 0:22:09]: parcels where there was kind of the amount of acreage and then that the [0:22:10, 0:22:30]: That there was uh the land value was more valuable than the structure that was on there. And so that these areas did contain some of those parcels, but I can't see off the top of my head the direct number of or where the parcel would be located. Well that's because that's been the argument because to facilitate that area. [0:22:30, 0:22:40]: This question's been asked almost three years, three or four years. You could want something, but how do you facilitate it? You know, and [0:22:40, 0:22:44]: Івен івенна, презентація. [0:22:45, 0:22:47]: And you name a park and you name the area. [0:22:48, 0:22:50]: Without us identifying [0:22:50, 0:22:52]: any probable areas to have it. [0:22:52, 0:22:58]: Then now we get the phone calls. Oh oh you guys gotta plan for part where? So if we don't know [0:22:58, 0:23:05]: And we're paying you all and you don't know. Uh we probably want to keep that out of our presentation until we find a place for it. [0:23:05, 0:23:16]: Because there's no I I have no idea where we what we would do it. I may maybe you know, maybe one of my colleagues do. I just don't. In to all in order to maintain it in the city limits of Stockbridge, so [0:23:17, 0:23:37]: Yeah, and I I agree. I mean, that's one of the reasons we tried to keep th this slide in particular fairly general, um, because we don't we don't know. Uh, and that really identifying the a parcel is the next step. I will say that what one of the things so uh besides the susceptibility [0:23:37, 0:23:57]: Study, which which we do have an exhibit on that. We don't have it with us, but we can definitely we've shared it, but we can definitely reshare it like individually. Um it does look at it at the parcel level. Um and I think the other thing is the cost that we've put in the budget does actually take into account property values in [0:23:57, 0:24:02]: [1442.9, 1447.2]: It accounts for it, but I I agree we don't have a specific parcel yet. [0:24:07, 0:24:13]: 'Cause I think that's another level of f you know, fine grain that that we're just not to yet. [0:24:14, 0:24:16]: Ms. Alexander, great please. [0:24:17, 0:24:19]: Uh thank you sir for the presentation. [0:24:21, 0:24:41]: Charge was was to generally find to put together this expansive plan. We understand we're not gonna be able to finance it all at one time. I think the goal was to just identify and get us a high level plan that we could bring down uh to the ground level uh incrementally at [0:24:41, 0:25:01]: Different points. And I do think that you know things do happen and evolve, particularly in my area. We're looking at adding additional acreage to annexation. And some of those developments very well could include a park. Unfortunately, we ended up with a uh a logistics. [0:25:01, 0:25:21]: Center in the area, but on the other side of that, we're gonna end up with a new park uh on Jotoko Road. So, you know, we we took the sour grapes and we made the best of it. And so now we'll have a new park on Johtoco with dog park and lighting and benches and maybe even some pickle bars. [0:25:21, 0:25:41]: We hope we'll see what happens as that goes along. But I appreciate the work that you did and understanding the council is going to have to make the ultimate decisions on when the plan is to be implemented and then at what pace, looking at the budget, working with the city manager. To me, you've done your job. [0:25:41, 0:26:01]: job, which is you brought it to us, you've given us a concept of where we can go. Now it would be up to the city, the city manager, his team to implement the plan and for us to decide on what the budgetary things are. Because that would be no way for you to determine what the budgetary constraints were. When you throw out a bill [0:26:01, 0:26:21]: Big number like a hundred million dollars, we know certainly we can't afford to do that at this point, but certainly over through the course of time, we will be endeavoring to pursue every available dollar uh through the federal, state, local, and DNR. [0:26:21, 0:26:35]: and all of those organizations which are helping us. Uh certainly uh we expect the Path Foundation will be coming to the table, the premier organization to help us with the trails. And uh we already have in conversations with them. [0:26:35, 0:26:55]: So I think your charge was to make sure that we had some connectivity amongst the existing parts and to improve them uh what they were or as they were. As you added a added a um a um a restroom to Reed's Creek Trail. That is something that's been [0:26:55, 0:27:10]: very much needed. Certainly you added the cover to the ex outside exercise equipment. I would like to see that outside exercise equipment in various uh parks. That's an amenity that in general that the public is very desirous of. [0:27:11, 0:27:31]: And to determine that. Now again, I think we have identified some other land that has come to us as via donation. Uh in the flip and roll project, there was about ther I think uh twenty five or thirty acres that they were gonna donate to us uh in that one. Uh I think uh excuse me, Mapro Timbarber. [0:27:31, 0:27:51]: Identified some land that uh a company wants to uh potentially donate to us. I don't know if we want to name them at this point, but certainly those opportunities exist. And even in developments that are uh moving their ways through, uh there should be park space in some of the new developments. [0:27:51, 0:28:11]: developments, including the Jodico development and other developments, there should be some available park parking parks or some type of amenities in there in those large swaths of land. So I think we do require a lot of that in our actual zoning code to be able to incorporate that. But you you've [0:28:10, 0:28:12]: [1692.6, 1712.6]: the the overall plan, we just gotta go back in and look at it and prioritize and see which exactly uh what exactly needs to happen. And I think tonight we're gonna start that discussion on some of the potential potential legs of that and what is to be completed. And I think, you know, we just had a budget [0:28:32, 0:28:50]: retreat where we had all the projects that were kind of templated out, but there wasn't hadn't been a as you said, there had not been a final decision on when those projects were going to take place. So we will have to do that because certainly I know I'm desirous of I know I love downtown too. [0:28:50, 0:29:10]: But I certainly want to see something take place uh in my district as well. And I'm sure each council member would like to see something take place uh in their district for their constituents, cause folks are asking, What are we doing over here? What are you doing? And I think that that cannot go uh uh unnoticed for what we're doing. But the best part about [0:29:10, 0:29:30]: it is as you saw when you looked over the numbers we got twenty two million dollars on in trails uh in the T-SPLOST. That's a beautiful position to be in for us. And then we have uh some other spLOS money to be able to use otherwise. But I just want to say to you thank you for the work that you have done and just point us in the right direction [0:29:30, 0:29:45]: And we'll have to on what uh the connectivity uh on on the trails on the parks and then the equipment improv improvement because the existing parks is where the low hanging fruit is that we can take advantage of and run with this plan from day one. Thank you. [0:29:46, 0:30:06]: Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. Thank you. He was gonna respond, Mario. I think he was I'm sorry. I think he was gonna respond. Okay. Did you mind if I just add one thing? One thing I didn't mention. We do as part of our scope, um, have in the first five years, uh, we can identify grant opportunities like as part of this work. [0:30:06, 0:30:26]: Um and if if there are donations of land or other things, that can be used as a match towards, you know, developing uh some of these projects. I just wanted to just put that out there as a reminder. So it's good if that's happening, we can match that up with those opportunities. Certainly. Please I wanna. [0:30:25, 0:30:32]: We would certainly like that to happen every d every available dollar. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Thomas, please. [0:30:32, 0:30:41]: Thank you. I was um about to ask about the grant opportunity, but let me say that Councilman Alexander pretty much [0:30:41, 0:30:42]: Took all of my [0:30:43, 0:30:49]: talking points and my questions. But uh I am on the same page w with a lot of that. [0:30:49, 0:30:52]: Um, but I do thank you all for [0:30:53, 0:30:54]: Accomplishing [0:30:54, 0:31:01]: uh what this council has asked you all to do. And and and now it is up to us [0:31:02, 0:31:03]: Mm. [0:31:04, 0:31:17]: My concern though is, and it is budgetary, and the councilman mentioned we just uh completed a budget retreat, but we didn't get into this. Um [0:31:27, 0:31:31]: Am I hearing the echo? No, no, go ahead, sir. Um go go ahead, Mr. Thomas. [0:31:32, 0:31:32]: Um [0:31:39, 0:31:43]: Hello, is there anybody out there? Go ahead, please. Okay. Um [0:31:47, 0:31:50]: Mm my concern is uh budgetary. Um [0:31:53, 0:31:59]: Uh m uh uh please, um Jesus. Mr. Thomas I'm sorry, quite a policeman. [0:32:01, 0:32:21]: We are at a point where we are um speaking budget, as you may or may not know. We just initiated a millage. So, but I will say that when and if this is accomplished, this [0:32:21, 0:32:39]: is a great great uh quality of life for the city of Stockbridge without a doubt. Um I mean this is this would just be fantastic. So I I I I do agree that we have to come together [0:32:39, 0:32:45]: and really lay this out. Uh and I will say that uh mister Aaron [0:32:46, 0:32:56]: Is Mr. Air still here? Yeah, he is. And I and I do want to thank you, sir. I know uh you reached out to uh Mrs. Rawls, our executive, and you attempted to [0:32:57, 0:33:09]: uh get us to respond to a survey and and uh and unfortunate, you know, we really didn't get too deep into that, but that would have been a what would have been a process for us to get started. [0:33:10, 0:33:30]: But I think from today, and I know this is just a presentation today, and I know that there are some decisions we we have to make. So um I'm going to ask counsel um to go along with me and and let's direct the city manager and finance. [0:33:30, 0:33:41]: And I know we're getting ready to go into the um budget cycle in the last quarter of this year, but I think we got we have to do some serious um [0:33:41, 0:33:44]: prioritizing not only about [0:33:44, 0:33:46]: The park plan itself [0:33:47, 0:34:02]: but the overall city operations. Uh, and there are a number of capital projects that's that's on the table. So I think we we really have to be serious about how do we look at the overall [0:34:03, 0:34:10]: budget for the city of Stockbridge and how does this fits into that? [0:34:11, 0:34:16]: uh and and we are some some challenging time as far as uh budget wise. [0:34:16, 0:34:20]: But I will I am encouraged and I will say that we need to [0:34:21, 0:34:23]: uh look at the low hanging. [0:34:24, 0:34:26]: Uh what can we accomplish in [0:34:26, 0:34:27]: Now [0:34:27, 0:34:33]: Um at a minimum and I I think you sorta indicated that in your presentation as well. [0:34:33, 0:34:41]: So, uh uh Mr. Gardner and I don't know how you and your staff will sort of come back to the council with this, but [0:34:42, 0:34:43]: I think we have to [0:34:44, 0:34:45]: Segment. [0:34:45, 0:34:49]: um this in some kind of way and identify [0:34:50, 0:35:10]: What can we do in in in phase one uh within a budget constraint um that we can do and make sure that we are moving forward toward the overall goal? And I know we're talking about a a a ten year plan, but what can we accomplish uh [0:35:10, 0:35:25]: in the next, you know, one, two, three, four years. And I know you indicated here and I made a note, um phase one through four, sixty eight million dollars. Now that's that's still a a a pretty big challenge, but um [0:35:25, 0:35:45]: But I would agree that we do need to uh tackle this head on, identify the low-hanging, and try just to accomplish that. Uh I would not recommend we just look at this and say, well, this is too big and let's wait. Um, let's just see what we can accomplish. But um [0:35:46, 0:36:06]: My recommendation to the city manager is uh let's be serious about uh the overall budget and how does this this fit in. And I think we need to set some some priorities, not only within the the park plan, but across the board. [0:36:06, 0:36:15]: What is the number one? What is the number two? And then even when we get to the park plan, what is number one within this goal? [0:36:16, 0:36:22]: And I and I think this is how we really need to approach this. But I do wanna thank you and and commend you for [0:36:22, 0:36:30]: Um doing exactly what we had asked you all to do. Cause and this is great. And I know for sure that our citizen. [0:36:31, 0:36:51]: If we when I'm not gonna say if, I'm gonna say when uh we accomplish this 100%, uh this is gonna be fantastic for the quality of life here in the city of Stockbridge. I yeah back, Mayor thank you. No problem, appreciate it. I appreciate your presentation as well. And um it's it's great that that did you accomplish this particular mission, which we asked you to do. [0:36:51, 0:37:11]: do and obviously we have a little bit more work to do internally in this aspect and looking at each one of the phases. And my initial thoughts are simply that of course with phase one, looking at trail network, connecting uh the uh the the the parks to one another and the parks to our communities and the low-hanging fruit in a sense is updating those current parks themselves. [0:37:11, 0:37:31]: In this aspect, and then eventually look to spread out and look at land acquisition that we don't have right now for any future locations as identified in the draft that you have here. That's where my my initial thoughts are. But obviously as a collective unit in reference to the council making a decision on that and and what's uh what's within the budgetary requirements of all this. [0:37:31, 0:37:35]: So anyway, good deal. [0:37:35, 0:37:50]: Oh if not, then thank you very much. Uh appreciate it. And uh obviously you'll eventually see the good uh the results of your good work come to fruition over the course of these years. All right? All right, thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks very much. Thank you. Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. Uh b before they actually [0:37:51, 0:37:52]: You want to [0:37:53, 0:37:55]: Mr. Garner, and and I really don't want us to [0:37:56, 0:38:00]: Sort of let a lot of time lapse in this. But so Mr. Gardner. [0:38:00, 0:38:01]: Um [0:38:01, 0:38:05]: With this presentation and I guess even with the council, but [0:38:05, 0:38:06]: Um [0:38:08, 0:38:14]: And it and it may be too premature for you to indicate at this point, but um [0:38:15, 0:38:17]: Will you some way somehow [0:38:18, 0:38:29]: look at this and and and come back to council, whether through emails or however you wanna do it, and let's sort of identify, you know, [0:38:30, 0:38:44]: what we can do um now, uh, phase one, uh within, you know, the the budget constraints,'cause I would not want this just to uh just just delay now, even though [0:38:45, 0:39:02]: Be honest with you, I I I just don't know. Um looking at the total budget and what we have on the table already, without this plan being any part of it, we are we're challenged right now. So I I just I don't know how we can even [0:39:03, 0:39:07]: incorporate this into what's already on the table. [0:39:07, 0:39:15]: And and and I I think it just has to be uh a discussion. So my my point to the city manager is [0:39:15, 0:39:29]: Let's let's try to discuss it and let's try to prioritize, you know, what we actually gonna do here going forward because I think this is great when we can do it. But uh I just think that we need to be about [0:39:29, 0:39:30]: The work [0:39:31, 0:39:34]: And not let idle time just just go by. [0:39:35, 0:39:36]: Thank you. [0:39:36, 0:39:56]: Mary. Yes, sir. To follow up on that, I certainly agree with those comments. And what I'd like to say in addition to that is we're about to embark upon SPLOS 6. So SPLOS 6 certainly would be an opportunity for us to fund uh some of these additional projects. Um and the community we already know what the community [0:39:56, 0:40:15]: wants because they've already we've already had the surveys and they've told us what they want. So certainly that would be an opportunity and we already have uh as we'll see and discuss later on today all the trail projects. So some of the projects that you have in here are already planned uh in the T splot. [0:40:16, 0:40:33]: Thank you, Mr. Alexander, for stealing some of the thunder that I was gonna respond back to. But yes. So as I mentioned at at our budget retreat, um as it comes to Splosics, we have to par characterize the different areas that we want to see. [0:40:34, 0:40:54]: Um fund it whether it's transportation or infrastructure or um buildings or whatever. The staff will work obviously to put some guidelines together for you guys. Because remember, we're coming up on having that letter sent to us the probably the end of next month, beginning of October, where the counties wanna know exactly. [0:40:54, 0:40:58]: exactly what we're gonna do as part of this plus so those discussions will happen. [0:40:58, 0:41:09]: We'll be working across those different areas to give ideas to council on, hey, these are the things that we think we need to fund over the next five years as part of this as part of the SPLOSS program. [0:41:09, 0:41:12]: And and moving forward, as they say, this it's a teen year plan. [0:41:13, 0:41:33]: You know, if we able to accomplish some of those good things, those low hanging fruits that the people can then see, touch and and activate, that helps when the next plus seven comes to continue the funding of these projects moving forward. So yes, it's gonna be a multi-year process and a multi-year funding um opportunities as well as what we can budget as part of the general. [0:41:33, 0:41:41]: Fund and grant opportunities. So we'll definitely look to be giving you guys those lists around those different categories so we can move forward with the SPLOS project. [0:41:42, 0:41:48]: All right. Okay. If there are no other comments, thank you for your presentation. We appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. [0:41:48, 0:41:49]: Mm-hmm. [0:41:49, 0:42:09]: What's next uh next council is a consent agenda. We've got two items on the consent agenda. Council uh council consideration approved a resolution appointing Steve Mitcher as the city's poet Larrogate. Uh Lorrogate, I guess how you pronounce them, and so presented by myself and Mr. Washington, and that aspect. And uh I know that uh Mr. Misher has come [0:42:09, 0:42:29]: forward and and identify the fact that he had an interest in in doing this. And I believe he's also had some conversation with uh Mr. Thomas as well. And um and so we uh obviously it seems like it could be a great thing to do in this aspect. And then the next item for consent agenda was the council consideration to allow the economic development department to use money [0:42:29, 0:42:35]: [2555.5, 2575.5]: uh from nine AM to three PM to host a home ownership seminar that would be uh presented by Mr. Lawrence as well. Um so obviously uh Mr. Lance as well as uh uh Mr. Washington are both here but it's on a consent agenda I don't know whether or not uh you uh okay so move so move okay [0:42:55, 0:42:58]: Mr. OK. Second to hear. All in favor, please in okay. [0:42:58, 0:43:01]: Uh um Mr. Blount and then and Mr. Alexander? [0:43:02, 0:43:03]: All very pleasant okay? [0:43:04, 0:43:06]: Can you now succeed? Thank you very much, Council. Appreciate that. [0:43:09, 0:43:29]: All right, new business. Uh council consideration uh to approve Davis Road Shields Roads Century Oaks Intersection Improvement Plan. Options prepared by Falcon Design. LLC option one cost estimate uh twenty-six thousand seven hundred thirty dollars, and option two is estimated at thirty-five thousand nine. [0:43:29, 0:43:49]: ninety dollars. Funny source is plus five. Uh mister Aaron, please. Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. Staff was requested to look at the intersection of Shields Road, Davis Road, and Century Oaks Court to how we can make that a safer intersection with the development that's coming in the area. So there are two [0:43:49, 0:44:03]: Two options. One was requested to have the flashing stop signs and one would just have the regular stop signs, but we'll also put in some additional signage and rumble strips alerting drivers to the upcoming stop signs. [0:44:03, 0:44:05]: And so [0:44:05, 0:44:25]: After consulting with our engineer, we thought it would be best to go with the the regular stop signs because they're only$600 each. The flashing stop signs are$2,500 each. So every time you change these stop signs, you typically change them every five to seven years. You're gonna look at spending$2,400 versus spending. [0:44:25, 0:44:42]: And I think we can get the same benefit because there's no data that suggests that people are more likely to stop because there's a light flashing around the stop sign. So well we present these two options, but our recommendation is option one. [0:44:43, 0:44:56]: Okay. Council, any questions? Uh thank you, Mr. Aaron. A question for Mr. Aaron. Yeah. You go right in please. Not really a question but a comment, since this area is the area within the district that I represent. [0:44:57, 0:45:01]: А вмет в северо хомонис олонг Шілз Род. [0:45:01, 0:45:04]: And Davis wrote, Thank you, Mr Aaron. [0:45:04, 0:45:08]: for going out, taking a look and assessing that area. [0:45:08, 0:45:11]: Ам, воневрем і на іря, а ноти. [0:45:11, 0:45:12]: Um [0:45:12, 0:45:14]: People run those stop signs. [0:45:14, 0:45:15]: They do. [0:45:15, 0:45:17]: I said every time I go there. [0:45:17, 0:45:20]: Every time I visit that area [0:45:20, 0:45:22]: There's always a [0:45:23, 0:45:25]: Accident waiting to happen. [0:45:26, 0:45:31]: Every single time I go there, um, they requested the solar powered [0:45:31, 0:45:37]: stop signs. I believe because of the angle or the alignment of the roads. [0:45:37, 0:45:39]: That may be the reason why. [0:45:39, 0:45:48]: Most people don't recognize that there is stop signs on the other two or three sides of the streets. [0:45:49, 0:45:55]: So I believe having flashing um stop signs or caution lights. [0:45:55, 0:45:57]: Um just making them aware. [0:45:57, 0:46:00]: when they come to that area or as they're approaching the area. [0:46:01, 0:46:02]: That would help. [0:46:02, 0:46:06]: Um, most folks don't realize that there are stop signs there. [0:46:07, 0:46:08]: Until they get there. [0:46:11, 0:46:22]: But thank you. I appreciate your recommendation. I'd like to appeal to the council. Please honor the request of the homeowners who live in that area. I understand um [0:46:22, 0:46:32]: Um the cheapest route would be just to get regular stop signs, but the solar power stop sign that area is heavily traveled. [0:46:32, 0:46:35]: In fact, the council approved a new development. [0:46:35, 0:46:37]: That's gonna be constructed there. [0:46:37, 0:46:40]: within within the next two years. [0:46:40, 0:46:42]: That's increased traffic. [0:46:42, 0:46:43]: In the area. [0:46:44, 0:46:53]: So I'm asking and appealing to my councilmates to honor the request of the homeowners who live in that area. Thank you. Can I make one additional comment? [0:46:53, 0:47:13]: In instead of the we can put a a flashing light instead of the stop sign, cause every five to seven years when those signs fade, you got to replace the whole sign. You can put a flashing red light alerting people that they're gonna have to stop. And so it's independent of the sign so that you're not spending twenty five hundred dollars every [0:47:13, 0:47:27]: on every sign, if somebody hits the sign that's$2,500, I think you can have a flashing light that's independent of a stop sign and you'd get the same desired effect of notifying people that there is a stop sign there. [0:47:27, 0:47:32]: Thank you, sir. I'm sure they would be um open to that suggestion as well. In fact [0:47:32, 0:47:34]: That is the first suggestion that they made. [0:47:35, 0:47:39]: I believe you responded and said there were no power lines to connect. [0:47:40, 0:47:51]: A flashing caution light. They would which is why they came back with the idea. They would be solar power flashing lights, just like the speed limit sign. So you can have [0:47:51, 0:47:54]: Um do you have an cost estimate? [0:47:54, 0:48:14]: We can get that for you, but uh I think it'll be reasonable. It wouldn't be as expensive. You wouldn't have to change it out as often as as you would the regular the regular stop sign. But we all understand that there's gonna be some maintenance required because there's a light and things of that sort. But uh the caution the flashing caution lights. [0:48:14, 0:48:19]: They would be amenable to that. Okay. So I appreciate it. [0:48:19, 0:48:30]: Sir. Mr. Alzheimer, go ahead, please. Let me answer your question. So Miss Barber, you have observed this tremendous sounds like a really bad safety issue. So what is the chief saying about this? [0:48:32, 0:48:42]: That's a question you should be asking Mr. Gardner or the Chief. These were concerns that I addressed when that proposal for that development came forward a couple of months ago. [0:48:43, 0:48:54]: the safety concerns of that intersection. Well, I understand that, but I'm saying you said you had witnessed Absolutely. So you reported this to the chief that you witnessed the stop circle. I told them I told you all. [0:48:55, 0:49:15]: When we um had that development presented to us, I told you then all of the homeowners who were here, they expressed their concerns. Well, Mr. Gardner, so is there something that we could do to uh have the SPD to kind of monitor that situation where if there's people actually out there running [0:49:15, 0:49:28]: in the SOP sign on a regular basis. What it sounds like to me, it's a it's a enforcement issue in addition to that, because I could put I don't know how many lights out there, but if I'm gonna ignore the light, I'm gonna ignore the light. [0:49:31, 0:49:34]: Uh yes sir, we can ask for for the P D to monitor that area. [0:49:34, 0:49:54]: Um for traffic, but remember we also have other traffic areas. I think the council member is correct when she said the the issue is the offset of the the four way stop. Mm-hmm. So if you're coming out of the subdivision to the north, it's offset by about fifteen or twenty feet, maybe more, to your to your right. [0:49:54, 0:50:14]: And it doesn't line up as a typical four-way intersection, but it is acting as a four-way stop. So that's what precipitated precipitates the potential for movement through the stop sign on Davis Road because you it's continuous. If I'm coming up Davis Road on the south side, on the south side. [0:50:15, 0:50:35]: I have to come to a stop. If I'm coming out the subdivision, I have to come to a stop because the road doesn't go through. So the issue is more souther on the east-west that that portion of the roadways where the issue of of folks potentially running dire the light because they can't tell it's an offset. You know, it's not a typical alignment. But um we've had the [0:50:34, 0:50:54]: The traffic engineers go out there and look at this and study it and determine that these two options are the best options that are out there based on their professional recommendation. We could choose to go otherwise, but I would go with either one of those two recommendations that that the engineers to do this for a living actually propose that we do for safety. [0:50:54, 0:51:14]: Yes, so certainly that's the direction that I would hold on one second before you go. So as you said, the intersection seems to be a problem. This seems to be a short term fix, which I'm certainly uh in support of the short term fix. But maybe another project maybe in the next T-SPLOST might be around about there. [0:51:14, 0:51:18]: at that intersection to deal with the offset. [0:51:19, 0:51:26]: I think the issue is there's a house on that corner coming out the subdivision that would you'd have to purchase that house in order to realign that road. [0:51:26, 0:51:33]: So you're gonna have costs associated above and beyond what you see here. Okay. If you try to do that, you're gonna probably have to acquire [0:51:33, 0:51:53]: Um a resident um coming out the subdivision on the north side of the real make it realign. Not sure having seen it, but certainly obviously somebody could study that to kind of see. Also, as a if it's a safety issue, is there some street lights out there? Is there some lighting at nighttime? Or do they have is there street lights at night [0:51:53, 0:52:05]: at the intersection? It yeah, it's just at like most people do at four way stop signs. If there's nobody coming, they kinda slow down. No, no, I'm talking about at night. Are there street lights at the intersection? [0:52:06, 0:52:11]: I can't recall, I'm not gonna say, in fact. Um Century Oaks. [0:52:11, 0:52:31]: There are no street lights. Okay. Certainly. So this is as we go around and my that's my point. As we go around to the next round of streetlights in a sections like this, which have been identified as dangerous, then we certainly need to look at making them prioritize because I think in the next round I would like [0:52:31, 0:52:51]: For you to come back to us and get some of our input on the next round of streetlights. Because I know uh Campground Road is black-dark issues, a dangerous issue there as well. This intersection probably could benefit. So as we look at the budget up there, uh upcoming budget and what we can do, we need to have [0:52:51, 0:53:06]: have a serious discussion about the streetlight districts uh um as we talked about earlier and then the next round of streetlights because we have these dangerous situations because if somebody ran that street light [0:53:07, 0:53:27]: At night when there's no lighting out there, it is total, it is really dangerous. So to deal with it from a safety standpoint, I think we want to look at overall safety and deal dealing with the intersection uh in terms of the total engineering of the intersection and then uh lighting for the intersection. [0:53:27, 0:53:39]: section as well. So if we could look at that as we enter the budgetary talks to look at the next round of streetlights and potentially uh impact in this this area as well. Thank you. [0:53:39, 0:53:40]: Mr. Blount, please. [0:53:41, 0:53:50]: Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um I totally agree with all the above. Um, Mr Aaron, you I wanna just say you're doing an excellent job and everything you're doing and [0:53:51, 0:53:54]: We appreciate your due diligence in not only this situation, but [0:53:54, 0:54:14]: Uh everything we've asked you to do. Uh I think one of the things that uh Ms. Barber did say that the flashing light would be sufficient for what the residents are saying. So I think for us to move forward with this is to go ahead and uh I I'm not sure if you was waiting to get a overall amount over. [0:54:14, 0:54:18]: On this or are we trying to approve anything tonight? I have no idea. [0:54:19, 0:54:35]: I would say the the j uh the action would be trying to prove it tonight. I would think the action would be are you trying to prove it tonight without the overall budget on the on the flashing lights? Yes. In fact the homeowners are probably watching this meeting. Um [0:54:35, 0:54:41]: The caution lights and just the assessment of that area is what I initially asked for. [0:54:41, 0:54:42]: Um but [0:54:42, 0:54:47]: The the stripping in the roadways that was another thing that we asked for. So thank you. [0:54:47, 0:54:49]: Thank you for bringing that back. [0:54:49, 0:54:50]: Um the power. [0:54:51, 0:54:54]: Flashing stop signs was just an alternative. [0:54:54, 0:54:55]: Because we were to [0:54:56, 0:54:56]: I was told. [0:54:57, 0:54:58]: [3298.6, 3300.6]: power lines for them to connect. [0:55:01, 0:55:02]: The flashing caution lights. [0:55:03, 0:55:03]: Um [0:55:03, 0:55:04]: But this is [0:55:05, 0:55:06]: This is fine. [0:55:06, 0:55:08]: Um if we're able to get the [0:55:08, 0:55:09]: Stripping. [0:55:10, 0:55:17]: And the caution lights as you recommended. But we don't have a cost estimate here. Can we just to finish what I was saying is that [0:55:18, 0:55:38]: We can approve this this, but then we don't have the total amount and I don't like us proving anything without the total amount. Can we say with a cost not to exceed fifty thousand? It's gonna be less than that, but a cost not to exceed fifty, so we don't have to come back and get additional numbers and present it to you. [0:55:38, 0:55:45]: um uh satellite flashing lights. And so you you you you're talking about uh [0:55:47, 0:56:02]: We'd have one like at the intersection of Shields and Davis and both sides of Davis and one coming out of Century Oaks. So you'll have four flashing red caution lights that alerting people that there's a stop sign, that they're approaching a a four way stop sign. [0:56:03, 0:56:22]: I'm okay with saying not exceeding if we need to prove it today, uh, because uh it's coming out of the SPLOSS funds for SPLOS five. Yes, sir. That that allows us to go ahead and plan and start making provisions to have that intersection in process. I'm fine with that. So I need a motion then. I'll let Mr. Aaron, one more question. Please, Mayor. [0:56:22, 0:56:23]: Um [0:56:23, 0:56:26]: What did you say you suggest then not to exceed about? [0:56:26, 0:56:30]: Not to exceed fifty thousand dollars. Fifty thousand? Yes. [0:56:30, 0:56:30]: So [0:56:33, 0:56:34]: One follow up question then. [0:56:35, 0:56:40]: Um with this cost estimate with the solar powered flashing stop signs. [0:56:42, 0:56:45]: The cost estimate is thirty five thousand. [0:56:46, 0:56:48]: So why fifty thousand? [0:56:49, 0:57:09]: Well just for the power. In it won't be powered. There'll be four solar powered red flashing lights alerting people to uh they're coming up to stop signs. But it'll give us the leeway to do some additional improvements that we see some things while we're out there that we can do so that we'll already have the funding available. We don't have to come [0:57:09, 0:57:21]: back to you. Our goal is to be within that$35,000, but we want to have some leeway in case we encounter something out in the field that we didn't expect until we actually get out there and start performing the project. [0:57:21, 0:57:35]: Mayor Ford, I'd like to make a motion, please. Go ahead. I'd like to make a motion to approve the recommendation provided by the Public Works Director to install the solar flashing. [0:57:35, 0:57:37]: Lights. [0:57:38, 0:57:46]: Stripping rumble strips and and an additional signage alerting people that they're approaching a four-way intersection. And additional signing. [0:57:47, 0:57:53]: Yes. In that additional signage in that area of Davis and Chills Road. And Century Holt's Court. [0:57:54, 0:57:59]: In Century Oaks Court. Yes. Not to exceed fifty thousand dollars. Yes. [0:58:00, 0:58:09]: Motion to remain by Miss Barber, seconded by Miss Alexander. We've had plenty of discussion. All favor, please indicate. Well, I just want to make sure we say not to see fifty thousand dollars as flosh five funding. [0:58:10, 0:58:16]: So that's yes. Not to exceed fifty thousand dollars from Splos Five. [0:58:17, 0:58:25]: Okay. Fourth must made. Second. Okay. From Barber to Alexander. All in favor, please indicate. Genesis season. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Aaron. [0:58:26, 0:58:27]: Thank you. [0:58:28, 0:58:45]: Council consideration approved task order number twenty twenty-three point one four with Falcon Design, MLK Senior Heritage Trail, Community Stonewater Impr uh pedestrian improvements in the amount of three hundred sixty thousand dollars. The funding source is from T S PLOS. Mr. Goodwin, please. [0:58:45, 0:59:00]: Uh good evening, Mayor and Council. Evening. Um we asked Falcon Design to prepare a task order for uh preliminary design for MLK Senior Heritage Trail Community Stormwater and Pedestrian Improvements in the amount of three hundred and sixty thousand dollars. [0:59:02, 0:59:07]: Okay. Any further discussion that you should need. Okay, counsel, got any questions? [0:59:07, 0:59:27]: I always like specifics for the public and I know Councilman Thomas, this is a your pet p pet project to me to so that that needs to be done and I support it. But I always like to tell the public what you're doing. You said pedestrian improvements and then uh the actual pro uh the project itself. Tell the public. [0:59:27, 0:59:47]: In layman's term, what what you're doing? So basically in Councilman Thomas's um community, we'll be upgrading uh as in terms of stormwater improvements, we'll be upgrading uh catch basins, we'll be also be installing curb and gutter in residential streets. And in terms of uh pedestrian improvements, we'll also be implementing. [0:59:47, 0:59:53]: implementing sidewalks um and uh well five foot sidewalks and also uh as well as curb and gutter. [0:59:54, 1:00:00]: Okay. All right. Thank you. Any other question? Yes, then Mr. Thomas, go ahead, please. I'd just like to add, um [1:00:02, 1:00:09]: These issues um in this particular district um are not new. Um [1:00:10, 1:00:11]: And [1:00:12, 1:00:22]: they were identified in the uh T splash which was approved. Um a town hall was conducted. [1:00:22, 1:00:25]: uh a month or so ago where [1:00:25, 1:00:27]: Uh staff came out and [1:00:28, 1:00:48]: um had an opportunity to uh explain and work with the citizens in that particular area talking about uh curb gutters sidewalks where appropriate. Um and it it was a great we had a a a large number of citizens uh to come out and and [1:00:48, 1:01:08]: And I think it's a win-win for the city as a whole, because in these streets, you know, you don't necessarily have to live in a particular area, but you travel these roads, you travel these streets. So I I look at this as a overall city project. [1:01:07, 1:01:27]: Improving the city. So with that being said, Mayor Ford, I move to approve task order 2023.14 with Falcon Design, ML King Senior Heritage Trail, Community, Stormwater, and Production Improvements. Second. [1:01:29, 1:01:32]: Okay. Is there made motion made the second? Any other comments? [1:01:33, 1:01:34]: Not all in favor, please indicate. [1:01:34, 1:01:37]: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. [1:01:37, 1:01:55]: Thank you. No problem. Council of consideration of an amendment uh to the emergency building permitting an inspection services agreement by and between Bureau Viz Virt Virtus Veritas North America, incorporating the city of Stockbridge not to see six months. Presented by Mr. Ryan, please. [1:02:02, 1:02:22]: Good evening, Council. Evening. On April of 2023, the City Council approved an emergency services contract for building and um permitting with bureau varieties. Um and recently we went through all our contract um agreements. [1:02:22, 1:02:42]: Um invoices and other types of service agreements. And we came to the realization that this contract needed to be revised. And we revised the contract. If you look on the screen, the exhibit in the um in the left hand side is the original cost summary. [1:02:42, 1:02:46]: On the and on the uh right hand side is the revised cost summary. [1:02:47, 1:02:52]: We removed two items totaling eighteen thousand four hundred dollars a month. [1:02:52, 1:03:01]: And over two hundred and twenty thousand eight hundred dollars annually. So for a s I mean for a savings of two hundred and twenty thousand and eight hundred dollars by removing those two cost items. [1:03:03, 1:03:12]: Oh fantastic. But if you said that, okay. Yes, I can I can blow it up for you. Council, any questions for Mr. Anderson? [1:03:13, 1:03:33]: Uh yes, just one. Go ahead, please. So talk m uh talk about the job that they're doing. I am honestly in the last couple of weeks I've heard some some good things about the the processes uh being improved. Yeah, we we we we made some uh minor adjustments over there over in our department um to make things more [1:03:33, 1:03:50]: more uh to make things a whole lot better. Um we we we reassigned some people and um we cut some a lot of red tape out and we're much faster in processing our invoices, we're processing our building permits and uh being responsive to the applicant. [1:03:51, 1:04:11]: Yeah, I think that's very important for us to be business friendly and for us to be uh in a position where we're assisting at every step for businesses who wanna come here that the process is clean and that they um you know there's not a lot of roadblocks. When you say cut the red tape, I'm all on that. Let's see what we can do to make the [1:04:11, 1:04:18]: [3859.1, 3860.0]: Mr. Blount, please. [1:04:20, 1:04:29]: Uh I I totally one hundred percent concur. Um the the phone calls I've gotten uh in the last two weeks is that [1:04:30, 1:04:50]: Um this the city is heading down the road that we are open for business and we're in the process is not cumbersome to a point where it's uh deterrent for people to do business in the city stop bridge. It's not a no b no beliterment by f by any means to anybody, but whatever you're implementing over there now uh is really what [1:04:50, 1:05:10]: working and it's resonating through our um development and uh business community. So I appreciate the work you're doing over there. Okay, thank you. We just put more of the emphasis on uh being more customer service friendly to both our internal customers and our external customers. And thank you for internal phone calls. Yes. You gotta do that. Yeah. That's that's probably [1:05:09, 1:05:29]: Priority number one. Thank you, sir. All right. Any other comments at all? If not, then I need a motion to accept his proposal. So moved. Is there a second? Uh Mr. Blount second. Dan all fair, please indicate. It's unanimous decision. Thank you very much, Mr. Ryan. Okay. Thank you, Council. Okay, council consideration to text amendment case TX-2. [1:05:29, 1:05:49]: two zero two three dash zero one to approve and adopt new regulations for smoking establishment establishments presented by Mr. Anderson please. Uh on June twelfth of of this year, the previous director came before city council requesting uh this item um to make uh changes to the UDC to allow uh smokers [1:05:49, 1:05:56]: smoking establishment within the Parkway Mixed Use Overlay District and in the downtown village. Um [1:05:56, 1:06:15]: However, council tabled the item and told us to go back and do some additional research. And that's what I did. Um I looked at uh several diff several different jurisdictions all across the nation and uh in concert with our zoning attorney, Miss Valerie Ross, we came up with some uh guidelines to govern the program. [1:06:16, 1:06:17]: Uh [1:06:18, 1:06:38]: On this slide right here are the three major concerns that council had from the June 12th meeting. Uh having hookah and other smoking around families and minors, especially rel related to family restaurants. We kind of moved away from the family restaurant theme in these guidelines. The second um concern council had was ventilation. [1:06:38, 1:06:58]: And air filtration system. We currently will, in the guidelines, we will require all smoking establishments to have a smoke eater, which is a type of high-performance air filtration system or better yet, an air purifier. And the other ones, the third concern council had was no guidelines or rules. [1:06:59, 1:07:05]: So we this what we did. We developed guidelines and rules to govern uh smoking establishments. Um [1:07:07, 1:07:13]: So uh we came up with general definitions for our for uh hookahs and smoking establishments. Um [1:07:17, 1:07:28]: And uh it will be a regulated business, so it will require an annual uh building permit. I mean an annual permit and uh it will come with a come with cost of fifteen hundred dollars per year. [1:07:29, 1:07:49]: And they will have to have an occupational tax license, which everyone knows they have to do that to do business in the city of Stockbridge. Eligibility requirements for smoking establishment. Since they would be a regulated business, they will have to do uh have to comply with these requirements. Um and also since this is a regulated business. [1:07:48, 1:08:08]: There will be a limit so there won't be a pro proliferation of uh these types of uses within the city. Uh the the proposal is similar to what how we regulate the alcohol permit. There will be a maximum number of six permits for these types of businesses in the city. Currently we have two. Uh after the city reaches 40,000 residents. [1:08:08, 1:08:10]: Uh we'll be eligible to add one more. [1:08:12, 1:08:17]: uh permissible location. Uh smoking establishments will only be allowed in C two. [1:08:17, 1:08:21]: Uh general commercial, C three heavy commercial and D T downtown district. [1:08:22, 1:08:31]: hours of operation, a hookah polish shall be permitted to operate seven days a week between the hours of twelve PM and midnight, and shall be prohibited from operating at all other times. [1:08:31, 1:08:37]: Uh mandatory require quire requirements, minors prohibited, intoxicated persons prohibited. [1:08:38, 1:08:51]: Required literature. All smoking established must make literature relating to tobacco use easily easily available to hookah parlor custom hookah parlor customers or smoking established at one or more visible location within the establishment. [1:08:53, 1:09:06]: And this and they're required to post that literature so it it can be seen when a customer comes in. And the required ventilation system, as I mentioned previously, it would have to be a smoke eater or something with uh standards higher than us than a smoke eater. [1:09:07, 1:09:27]: Um, and these are just additional requirements. Uh denial, if someone apply for as a apply for a permit or license to get a smoking establishment, these are the criteria in which we can deny. If the applicant has been convicted of a felony, the applicant is under 21 years old, the applicant has made a false statement in the application for a permit. [1:09:27, 1:09:27]: Mm. [1:09:28, 1:09:35]: The application on his face indicates that the proposed smoking establishment cannot be operating in accordance with the requirements of these regulations. [1:09:36, 1:09:56]: And to have uh the city w also has the authority to revoke a smoking established even after they get a permit. If the owner of the parlor violates any requirements of this chapter, the owner of the operator is convicted of a felony felony, the parlor is not in compliance with one or more conditions of his hook of his hook or smoking established. [1:09:56, 1:09:57]: [4198.3, 4210.4]: So that's it. And I I'll take any questions if if you have any. Sir. Mr. Blount, please. Yes, sir. I got a question. Thank you for the presentation. On the uh so all of this all these criteria and um [1:10:11, 1:10:17]: set standards has to be um complied to before a CO is issued. Is that correct? Yes, sir. [1:10:17, 1:10:32]: Um what do we do about the I s I see this with businesses coming in. Well any of the businesses that are now been established'cause uh w let me give a let me give something before I say this. When we was in um [1:10:33, 1:10:53]: Kansas City back in uh back in uh uh no November. Right, basically. Every establishment that did smoking had the I forget what they call those big boxes in there that uh the filtration system. Yeah, the filtration system that they that they sit in. It was a smoke eater probably right, exactly. [1:10:53, 1:11:09]: And they had to have those in there. Yeah, that's required. And if we're putting those in there now before we offer a CO to the new establishments, is there a compliance that's gonna be set for st for for for the comp for ones that are doing it now? [1:11:09, 1:11:29]: Yeah, it's envisioned that uh the business service division will manage this process. And we will we will implement a process for inspecting. We'll have a checklist prior to going in, issuing a CO on this, and they will have to have all meet all the requirements of that CO before it's before it is issued. They will have to pass that inspection. And then um the inspection list will be based off. [1:11:29, 1:11:49]: the requirements in this document. Well that's on the CO for new coming. Yeah, new business. But my question is that will there be anything established for because those things are really needed, will there be anything set for the existing Yeah, for ex yeah they will have how and how long will they be given to come in a plant unplug? I'm not [1:11:49, 1:12:09]: I I didn't include that within the document so we can we can set a time. I would think probably ninety days they will have to comply with the requirements of this. We will send out a notice to the two existing smoking establishments in the city and let them know about the new ordinance and the new requirements. Uh because I went into one and they did not have uh a smoke eater or any type of air filtration system. So I don't know how [1:12:09, 1:12:21]: how much they cost. I just wanna make sure we give the businesses a a a I just wanna make sure we're giving them enough time for that type I don't know what type of expenditure that would be. Uh they started um [1:12:21, 1:12:41]: Depending on the square footage of the building, you can get them for like um a commercial air filter that that would suffice, maybe about a thousand or fifteen hundred dollars. Oh, okay. Or they could get two smaller ones. So so we're looking at you're looking at approximately around n when you when you implement this around 90 days, when would this become if we vote on it tonight? [1:12:41, 1:12:51]: Night, when would this become leg legitimized so that now you can start toward the it's a good idea? If you approve it if you approve it after after the ordinance gets signed, it will go into effect. [1:12:52, 1:12:53]: So [1:12:55, 1:13:08]: Okay, so we're able to do the three months starting in September. Start in September starts the three month month process? So we can start it at the uh beginning of the year if if if if that would be sufficient. [1:13:09, 1:13:29]: I it's it's it's however you want to do it. I just want to make sure that when we do like when we implement something for n something like this for it you know, in sh you know, prior to getting a CO for new businesses, that this is a health situation uh like it would be for any type filtration system, that we give those existing businesses [1:13:29, 1:13:49]: Time to uh come on board and actually uh come to that. I just want to make sure we're being fair to the businesses that don't have it. Yeah, it's it's good to give existing businesses to be transitioning, especially if they don't have the system in place to give them time. And so I guess with the next the issuance of the next business license, which would be the next calendar. [1:13:49, 1:14:09]: The year gives them, but any new business that comes in will always automatically have to comply. But we'll give those folks. So if you say six months after this, then if you say six months, that'll be the first of the year anyway. So if the mayor yeah, so the mayor signs it this week, um so that gives them six months to be February, November, December, January, pretty much five to six months to get in company. [1:14:08, 1:14:15]: Compliance. Okay. See, I'm okay with that. So you got they get they got enough time to prepare. Yes, sir. Yeah. Mm-hmm. [1:14:17, 1:14:30]: Any questions, Council? Uh sorry I had to step out there for a minute. Talk about the differentiations between the restaurant, the bar, and the different establishments with this. Well, uh a restaurant uh [1:14:32, 1:14:52]: Well well, in my in my estimation, the restaurant m is more like a family type atmosphere where you can have your kids in there. So we kinda steered this away because federal, state and local guidelines prohibits minors from being in a place that is sh that smokes hookah or cigars. So it wouldn't qualify for hookah anyway, or cigars or anything. [1:14:52, 1:14:55]: type of smoking. So family restaurants off the list. [1:14:56, 1:15:16]: Okay, so somebody let's say per se somebody came in and they they did want to serve hookah and they wanted to serve food. So would they have to how would they apply? They would have to get their they would have to have a hook a hookah permit. They would have to have a hookah permit, but as as but they're serving food, so would they have to b what what designation would they have to be? [1:15:15, 1:15:35]: be a bar or would they have to be what would they have to we're targeting sports lounges bars sports lounges and bars yes okay so in essence in the city in order for you to be able to serve to have the hookah you would have to be a sports lounge or a bar and then you would have to have the ventilation and all the other requirements. [1:15:35, 1:15:53]: Or you could be a standalone cigar bar. So the the hope is to um possibly uh recruit a a high end cigar bar within our oh, okay Okay. And that's a good along the parkway and then the downtown area. Yes, sir. Okay, that sounds like a win. Okay, thanks. [1:15:53, 1:15:58]: You know the questions counsel. I have a quick question. Go ahead. Yes, sir. When when they apply for [1:15:59, 1:16:00]: The permits. [1:16:00, 1:16:02]: Mm. Are they applying sane as a sports bar? [1:16:03, 1:16:08]: Well uh the reason I'm I'm sorry, the reason I'm asking that is because [1:16:08, 1:16:09]: If you got a restaurant [1:16:10, 1:16:13]: And they throw a T V up there and they put sports on. [1:16:13, 1:16:16]: And he won't do hookah, is it classified as a sports boy? [1:16:16, 1:16:35]: Yeah, it would be classified as a sports bar. I I have the definitions on the front page. The reason why it can it it couldn't be well technically it would be considered a restaurant, but they couldn't do hookah if they allow minors in. If kids can come in, then they can't do hookah. So when they come in and sign for their permit, they would have to sign a sheet attesting to the fact that they won't allow minors in. [1:16:35, 1:16:37]: So okay. [1:16:37, 1:16:50]: Because because there's there's some windows with that that we could probably discuss some discussion. But they i if if they uh do hookah or smoking cigars in there, miners are not allowed to from federal law, state law and the city of Stockbridge ordinances. [1:16:51, 1:16:52]: No, I got it [1:16:52, 1:17:12]: A Mr. Addison, a minor are considered eighteen years or younger or seventeen younger eighteen years of younger. Or younger. Yes. Okay. So if if you let me ask you this because this question was asked of me. Let's say the the the business um was a restaurant and they wanted to do the hookah at night and then at that point [1:17:12, 1:17:32]: They would prohibit children from coming in from that time to that time. Is there an exception or a special permit in there or is it just totally that's just not gonna happen? I mean, you uh if they guarantee that minors won't be in at a certain time, if they have if they have it marked on their uh windows or on their uh poster that they're [1:17:32, 1:17:36]: that they will be required to put up, then yes, we will consider that. Yes, sir. [1:17:37, 1:17:56]: Okay. Well that was that was something that was uh asked of me. Certainly I'm in line with what you where you're trying to go because uh you know, we don't want to be at a competitive disadvantages to other cities around us, because I know we've had several inquiries about uh, you know, cigar bars and that kind of thing and other cities do offer those services. [1:17:56, 1:18:08]: Yes, sir. I and I'll give one example, it's actually adjacent to the s to the city. Um, social nineteen forty two. Mm-hmm. Uh you know, when you walk in there's signage that says smoking prohibited. They don't even allow smoking inside. [1:18:09, 1:18:22]: where the restaurant type environment is, but you can smoke hookah and cigar out on the patio. Right? Because when I went, the sign said cigar says smoking prohibited and I asked the bouncer. I said, well [1:18:24, 1:18:30]: Someone said you can smoke online. They said, Yeah, only on the outside patios. So some businesses divide it up. [1:18:31, 1:18:42]: Right. Um so do we have that exception? That will that be an exception for that they wanted to do it outside on the patio? A bar, but they considered a bar, technically. They're not considered a restaurant restaurant. They're more of a bar. [1:18:43, 1:19:03]: Then they are, but they only allow for their smoking on the outside, not on the interior. Okay. But that's in Clayton County. So that's not you know Stockbridge. They have a stalbridge address, but it's not in Clayton. I know, but you know, you're gonna have these situations where the business owners are like, you know, we wanna be able to serve alcohol and at that same time, you know, they're a restaurant, but at the same time, if they went ahead and applied [1:19:03, 1:19:10]: As a sports lounge, because 1942 serves a significant amount of food. They serve they do serve food. So it's kind of like slicing. [1:19:10, 1:19:13]: And I don't know how Clayton County actually permitted them. [1:19:13, 1:19:15]: Obviously different jurisdiction. [1:19:15, 1:19:23]: But I use them as an example. You have bench warmers that actually have a divided out space. Mm-hmm. So you have one side that's actually acts as a restaurant. [1:19:23, 1:19:43]: You have pool tables, but then you have a bar that's segregated out with a separate ventilation system where you could smoke cigarettes, cigars, whatever. And then I Okay, so so there are some exceptions. Okay, thank you. But uh and also the the smoke eater keeps the the the smoke from um moving up in the areas where the people will be eating it. [1:19:43, 1:19:49]: Yeah, but that was in line what Mr Alexander was saying. That's I I think we kinda been dealing with the [1:19:50, 1:20:05]: Some of the same people in that respect between what he just quote. So that yeah, you answered my question. So we don't really have to get yeah. So as long as they come into compliance to the stipulations and and stick with that, it's you can have you know you can have with the all the guys. [1:20:06, 1:20:08]: Mr. Thomas, you have a question, sir? [1:20:08, 1:20:22]: Yes, uh Mr. Anderson, um, and I know it's been presented this way, but I would be more inclined to a separation. Um you have a lot of [1:20:22, 1:20:26]: um restaurant diners that [1:20:26, 1:20:28]: For health reasons. [1:20:28, 1:20:29]: Uh [1:20:30, 1:20:34]: to will not be in an environment where they're smoking. Um [1:20:36, 1:20:40]: I think a lot of restaurant will lose customers. [1:20:40, 1:20:42]: Because of that I've um [1:20:43, 1:20:49]: dying out where it was a separation and that was okay for someone like me. [1:20:49, 1:20:50]: That do not smoke. [1:20:51, 1:20:58]: And don't want to be in an environment of tobacco products. And I and you have, especially today. [1:20:58, 1:21:01]: You have a number of people. [1:21:01, 1:21:05]: that do not want to be in that environment, but if it was separated. [1:21:05, 1:21:07]: Then I think it would be okay. [1:21:08, 1:21:14]: Uh and that just just me and people that I know, but and I just want to to state that, but um [1:21:14, 1:21:20]: If there's a separation, I'll be okay for that. But if not, then I would not be. [1:21:21, 1:21:35]: Okay, I understand that. Uh however, when they first come in into the restaurant, there will be signage advising them on the dangers of health smoking and and things of that nature. So but we will require them to be separate if they serve food. [1:21:38, 1:21:38]: Yeah. [1:21:41, 1:21:43]: Any other questions for Mr. Anderson? [1:21:44, 1:22:04]: Now again, this is not gonna be like a um there's gonna be a limit of a six total citywide, right? Yes, there's a limit. So it's not like it will be open to everybody. It would be like a lottery or whoever approaches. So and and I and I'm certainly in gr in agreement with your statements and sentiments, uh kind of. [1:22:04, 1:22:24]: Councilman Thomas, because I personally would not go to a restaurant where there is smoking yet, but that option needs to be available to people who do. Now they would lose my business because they made that choice. I wouldn't go there. But there are people who would. I just think that they fundamentally I agree with you in that uh [1:22:23, 1:22:35]: you know, I don't want to go to places where they offer smoke at. But fundamentally from a business standpoint and a competition standpoint, if they choose that, then they lock they lost my business. That's their option. [1:22:36, 1:22:36]: Mayor. [1:22:37, 1:22:37]: Yeah. [1:22:37, 1:22:38]: Go ahead, Miss Blood. [1:22:39, 1:22:43]: You know, um I'm in line with uh that statement because [1:22:45, 1:22:48]: I don't go to a restaurant and just only sell pork'cause I don't eat pork. [1:22:49, 1:22:55]: You know, so I I think the marketplace itself, when it comes and this is this is what you say, talk about [1:22:55, 1:23:00]: being business friendly when the marketplace itself and this no belitament to you, Mr. Thomas. [1:23:01, 1:23:02]: The marketplace itself has to. [1:23:03, 1:23:07]: come together within itself with the rules and regulations set by the city. [1:23:07, 1:23:10]: And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. [1:23:10, 1:23:13]: Because if your formula is not working. [1:23:13, 1:23:16]: Because you set certain rules or you set certain criteria. [1:23:17, 1:23:19]: To have the public come in. [1:23:19, 1:23:24]: And if you don't work out, it don't work out. Then you have to shift. [1:23:24, 1:23:39]: But I think the marketplace I I one of the things that this council did and and I definitely appreciate it when I let the fight to say that you're w we're here, the state here and this federal government here is to protect those that can't protect themselves when it comes to minors. Yeah. [1:23:39, 1:23:47]: And so when this city passed the no smoking with minors and car ordinance, that's the same thing in a restaurant. [1:23:47, 1:23:57]: that you were protecting the minors. But when the criteria changes for adults to make their own choices, then I think the marketplace should should dictate itself. [1:23:59, 1:24:17]: Okay. Mr. Mr. And and and it's it's no reflection on me and I don't take any personal attack on that. Um, but you have millions and millions of folk that that are in that same position. I would still be inclined to and if you're talking about business friendly [1:24:17, 1:24:21]: in the city of Stockbridge, where you have to allow for [1:24:22, 1:24:26]: all citizen. So that may be a restaurant that you do [1:24:27, 1:24:30]: want to attend, you may want to dine out. [1:24:30, 1:24:32]: But if you separate that [1:24:33, 1:24:36]: then that business is open for everybody. [1:24:37, 1:24:45]: And it's up to the business owner if they want that, then they have to make uh provision to separate that. [1:24:45, 1:24:48]: That's business friendly and it's up to that business owner. [1:24:49, 1:24:52]: You know, you know in order to do that. So I I think that's [1:24:52, 1:25:05]: That's being business friendly and that's being proactive and that's being respectful of everybody, kids as well. Cause once once you separate it, then you allow for everybody. [1:25:06, 1:25:20]: And you can come and dine in one area and you can go to the other area and partake. And I've seen that happen because I know there are other restaurants that just that way. Yes. I agree. But that's that's being disfruther. [1:25:21, 1:25:31]: All right. If no more comments, is there a motion to accept this to the changes in this proposal? So move. Mr. Blount, so moved. Is there a second? Sir. Mr. Alzheimer's second then. All in favor, please indicate. [1:25:32, 1:25:37]: Okay, I'm sorry. Three zero one. Mr. Port. Yes ma'am. [1:25:38, 1:25:38]: Yes, ma'am. [1:25:48, 1:26:02]: No, there wasn't that wasn't a condition for outside only. It's already no, it's already allowed if you if you would get one of those six licenses, but no, it wasn't a condition. Okay, so it didn't No, no, no, no ma'am. All right. [1:26:02, 1:26:05]: All right, thank you, Mr. Mr. Anderson. All right, you're welcome. [1:26:05, 1:26:13]: All right. What we have next council consideration to approve an ordinance revising a job description for the deputy city clerk to align with the current organization. [1:26:13, 1:26:16]: The city and the hired employee imposed to [1:26:16, 1:26:36]: appointed, presented by Miss Wheeler. But I do know there's been quite a bit of discussion about all this and I kinda wonder whether or not one or two things, whether or not my recommendation whether or not we discuss this since a personnel issue in a second session and or whether or not this needs to be tabled for further discussion. I was going to ask for it to be tabled so that I could cite [1:26:36, 1:26:56]: to the custom that predates this because I've not been able to find it yet. Oh right. Oh okay. So you're you're making a recommendation that this would be you're present okay. To table. Table. Is it council do uh do we have an agreement on that or or not? So move. So so move. Uh actually I went from Miss Barber to [1:26:56, 1:27:07]: Mr Alexander, you can second that? Okay. Is all in favor? Please indicate? All right. See now she says we will table that. And now now mind you we didn't set a date on that, but I would imagine [1:27:07, 1:27:09]: With that uh would a set a time frame, but [1:27:10, 1:27:30]: Excuse me? We can have it ready by the next meeting. Okay. All right, Tensor. Appreciate it. All right. So on that note, we'll go to announcements of upcoming meetings and events. Council meetings will be held on City Council Chamber, meeting dates and times of subject change. Please uh visit the city website, www.starbridgega.org or [1:27:30, 1:27:50]: City's Facebook page or contact City Hall offices 770-389-7900 for updates. The Stockbridge City Citizen Police Advisory Council meeting first Thursday of each month. Police Precinct 4545 North Henry Boulevard Community Meeting Room 6 o'clock on September 7th. [1:27:49, 1:28:06]: Mayor. Yes, sir. Real quick, is this the first meeting of the Citizens Advisory Council? That's my understanding. Right. So that's one thing we so I think we want to stop and highlight that that the Citizens Re uh Advisory Council to the police department. We have one here in the city and they're having their very first meeting. [1:28:07, 1:28:27]: Yeah, September 7th and 6 p.m. Okay. Main Street Advisory Board meeting second Friday of each month. Welcome center located at 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail at 9 a.m. September 8th. City Council meeting the second Monday of each month, 6 p.m. City Council Hall Chambers, uh September 11th, which is Patriots Day. [1:28:27, 1:28:28]: Okay. [1:28:28, 1:28:48]: Youth Council meeting, 6:30 p.m., second Monday of each month. City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, City Hall there at September 11th, also. Patriot State. Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, September 12th. The Downtown Development Authority meeting, third Tuesday of each month. Welcome Center, 1:30. [1:28:48, 1:28:52]: M L. King Senior Heritage Trail, September nineteenth. [1:28:52, 1:29:12]: Youth Council Advisory Committee meeting 6:30, third uh Tuesday of each month in Levi Meeting Room, City Hall on September 19th. City Council work session meeting last Tuesday of each month at 6 p.m. City City Hall Council Chambers at September 26th. And Planning Commission meeting 6:30 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers fourth Thursday beach. [1:29:12, 1:29:32]: Each month, September 28th. Upcoming events and uh initiatives. What we have here says join us for our last Food Truck Tasty Tuesday, which is the day from 5:30 to 8 p.m. eight five thirty to eight thirty in Clark Park. But it's my understanding it was post or canceled due to threats of thunderstorms and rain. It's my understanding. So uh and uh [1:29:32, 1:29:52]: So that would uh not be existing at this point. Join uh Councilman Alexander for community cleanup on Saturday, September 9th, 9 a.m. to 11 a.m. Parking at Wall parking at Walmart, 1400 Hudson Bridge Road. Please contact Roslin Rawls for details. R Rawls at city of stopbridge dash G A dot G O V. [1:29:52, 1:30:12]: Or call 678-833-3348. Please join the city of Stockbridge at the annual 911 Remembrance Ceremony. This is annual remembrance to be held Monday, September 11th, once again at 8 a.m. to um 11 a.m. right in front of the city hall steps. Once again, that is considered Patriots Day. [1:30:13, 1:30:33]: Okay, join Councilman Blount for Bingo Bash Wednesday, September 20th at 10 a.m. to 12 noon. Railman's conference center located at 111 Davis Road. Please join Councilman Afonso Thomas for the first for the annual first appreciation drive through luncheon. Uh responding, uh recognizing and the dedication of and sacrifice of Henry. [1:30:33, 1:30:53]: County's first responders. The event will take place Thursday, September 21st from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. in Merrill Manor's Conference Center, located at 111 Davis Road. Join Mayor Ford me for the monthly Meet the Mayor on Monday, September 25th at 10 a.m. to noon. Please contact Rosalind Rawls to schedule an appointment. [1:30:53, 1:31:13]: It's six seven eight eight three three three three four four four four four four eight or an email hurric R. Rawls at city of Stockbridge dash G A dot Gov. Join Councilman Thomas for Don't Trash Stockbridge Initiative Centered Around Education Highlighting the Causes and Effects of Littering and Illegal Dumping. Uh more information to follow on that. Once again join Councilman Thomas. [1:31:13, 1:31:25]: Thomas and Arning Veterans with a continuous salute all year round. Please send your pictures of veterans with their name, branch, rank, and years of service to R. Rawls at the city of Stockbridge-G A dot G O V [1:31:26, 1:31:46]: And save the date for September 30th, our annual Bridge Fest Festival. More information will follow about that, but looking forward to an outstanding event of Bridgefest. And um please get your tickets for upcoming concerts uh for the twenty twenty-three Stockbridge uh concert series and our season at StockbridgeAnp.com and upcoming series [1:31:46, 1:32:06]: uh concert we have set for Labor Day Weekend uh which is uh Saturday Labor Day weekend the 70 Soul Jam. That concert will involve the stylistics, emotions, the intruders, Eddie Holman, and Blue Magic 70 Soul Jam concert. All right, this Saturday, upcoming Saturday. [1:32:06, 1:32:08]: Mayor Ford. [1:32:09, 1:32:10]: Excuse me. [1:32:12, 1:32:19]: Oh, I'm sorry. All white party. Yes, you're coming all white. Thank you very much. Coming all white, dressing all white. All right, head to toe. [1:32:20, 1:32:34]: All right. Yes sir. Uh I I wanted to re-emphasize I I think you sort of missed the word in the first responder's appreciation drive through luncheon. [1:32:35, 1:32:37]: I think you said um appreciation. [1:32:37, 1:32:57]: Okay. But I said it at all. Okay, no problem. Appreciate it, sir. I know I appreciate that. Uh what we also have is that uh uh councilwoman uh Lakeisha Gantt is sponsoring an event with Psi Alpha Omega chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha Fatern uh Sword, excuse me, Alpha Kappa Alpha Swordy Incorporated. Business Matters and [1:32:57, 1:33:17]: Entrepreneur and Black Business Expo, which is going to be October 1st at uh from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. at the Merle Manders Conference Center, where they'll have uh pitch contests and the panel discussion, food trucks, of course, and uh information on mental health sessions, vendors and workshops. So that is actually on October 1st. [1:33:17, 1:33:29]: eleven AM to five PM at Merrill Manors and sponsored by uh Miss Gantt and her Shawarty, Psy Alpha Omega Chapter, Alpha Kappa Alpha. And also [1:33:29, 1:33:49]: I'm a sponsor for the Upmost uh R uh Four P's Incorporated, Job Fair and Resume Review. This actually Saturday, September 9th, also at Merle Manders Conference Center. That'll be nine AM to one thirty PM. And um I'm sponsoring this particular event and uh so look forward to folks coming out for that as well. Uh [1:33:49, 1:33:55]: Uh let's see here. Mayor, did we uh talk about the the fund the the been on the thirtieth? [1:33:55, 1:33:59]: Uh September thirtieth was uh was British. I mentioned that sir earlier. [1:34:02, 1:34:05]: I no, I'd have anything on all the one that [1:34:06, 1:34:13]: I d uh no I didn't mention that, sir. I I uh that's uh no I didn't mention that, but that is that's t that's uh a couple of days. [1:34:15, 1:34:35]: We certainly wanna recognize the female business owners. Well well the female business well yeah, female business owners are being recognized at that an event there. You're right, uh it it's gonna be a Merrill Manner's conference center and I guess that's is a a pitch uh uh pitch aspect of pitching. The funding pitch funding funding pitch aspect there as well. It's gonna be a Merrill Manners on the [1:34:34, 1:34:43]: The uh the thirtieth, uh a couple days from now. Um now a couple other things I need to mention in reference to my particular comment. So obviously [1:34:43, 1:34:50]: Eh you we probably figured that COVID was over with, COVID was done, you know, we survived all that. Well, lo and behold, [1:34:50, 1:35:10]: uh COVID is still around. And obviously, as you've probably been paying attention, there's been an uptick in COVID cases and folks getting sick, a new uh new I guess a new virus or slightly different, slightly different change in this virus is is come up now, whether it's in uh Henry County, the state of Georgia, and the country itself. And so [1:35:10, 1:35:30]: And what I understand is supposed to be a new uh vaccination or booster to come out sometime in the next 30 days. So I would encourage everybody when a new booster comes out to uh take time and set an appointment and go get your booster shot on this new iteration of COVID-19. And um and hopefully if if you happen to unfortunately get it, hopefully you'll take the necessary [1:35:30, 1:35:33]: [5735.0, 5743.8]: Well, actually today is a very special day, ladies and gentlemen. I I would assume that you know, but just in case. Today is the sixtieth anniversary of March on Washington. [1:35:44, 1:36:04]: Now actually over the past weekend in Washington DC they celebrated this on Saturday, which was a couple days ago, but the actual date in nineteen sixty three was August twenty-eighth. So this is the sixtieth anniversary. And it was for jobs and freedom, is what the what the march was about. And of course, uh our one of our most famous c individuals in this country. [1:36:04, 1:36:24]: Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who was part of the King family and we're the ancestral home of the King family here in Stockbridge, gave his most famous speech, I Have a Dream speech. And that I Have a Dream speech was is probably the most iconic and most recognizable speeches in modern history. So roughly at the March on Washington 60 years ago, we had roughly 250. [1:36:24, 1:36:39]: thousand people that attended this particular march. And um and of course uh because of the r the what occurred at the march, it uh helped uh uh satisfy the requirement or g uh uh for us to to attain the Civil Rights Act of 1964. [1:36:39, 1:36:42]: The voting rights act in nineteen sixty five. [1:36:42, 1:37:02]: And of course, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. received eventually received the Nobel Peace Prize also in 1964 for all his efforts and reference to what he was doing for the world overall. One of the things of his speech that he mentioned, which is iconic as well, where he talked about his four little children, will one day live in a nation, whether it will be not be judged by [1:37:02, 1:37:05]: by the color of the skin, but by the content of the character. [1:37:06, 1:37:07]: I have a dream to date. [1:37:08, 1:37:28]: Now obviously I can't say it like Dr. King say it, but he said it very well. And uh it's one of the most recited type of uh uh statements uh in this speech uh known around the world, and of course it motivated, educated, inspired people um to uh for for jobs, equality, and just to do the right thing and and deal [1:37:27, 1:37:37]: With each individual, individuals overall. But I'm very proud of the fact to uh be with this council and be the mayor of the city, the ancestral home of the King family and know. [1:37:37, 1:37:57]: that we are part of civil rights history and we hold and obtain that and uh we're proud about that as well. And I would think my fellow teammates would agree with me on that point. So 60 years folks, 60 years ago today, Dr. King gave that wonderful speech at the and down in Washington, D.C. On that note, um have a great Labor Day week. [1:37:57, 1:38:04]: Be safe. And if you're not hanging out and doing anything on Saturday, come to the concert and for the white part, come in white and dress in white. [1:38:04, 1:38:15]: And come check out some soul music and uh in that aspect. So with no exactly session, so on that note, the council I need a a motion to uh to adjourn the meeting. Soul moving. Is there a second? [1:38:16, 1:38:18]: Mr. Blount second down. All in favor, please indicate. [1:38:19, 1:38:21]: And we're out of here. Thank you. God bless you all. [1:38:30, 1:38:32]: Mm-hmm. [1:38:40, 1:38:43]: We have to go again and everything in the election season.

--- title: Planning Commission date: 2023-08-24 source: 2023-08-24_Planning_Commission.wav --- [0:00:10, 0:00:14]: It is now six thirty two and the planning commission is uh [0:00:14, 0:00:15]: Coming to order. [0:00:22, 0:00:24]: Mr. Thibodeau, can you give us an invocation? [0:00:28, 0:00:31]: Mr. Mitten, can you hear me? Can you hear me all right, Mr. Mitten? [0:00:33, 0:00:34]: Can you hear me? [0:00:35, 0:00:53]: Okay. All right. Go ahead. Let's bow our head. Father, Father through Jesus Christ, thank us for the giving us the opportunity to serve the community and give us the guidance and the wisdom wisdom to do the right thing for the right reason and towards the citizen. In Jesus' name, amen. [0:00:54, 0:00:56]: We all stand for a pledge of allegiance. [0:00:59, 0:01:10]: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, my nation, under God, individual, liberty and justice for all. [0:01:16, 0:01:17]: Mr. Logan, can we get a roll call? [0:01:21, 0:01:22]: Ms. Logan? [0:01:41, 0:01:46]: Present. Present. Stanley Dowis. [0:01:48, 0:01:50]: Um Harold Themido. Present. [0:01:51, 0:01:52]: David Planchon. [0:01:52, 0:01:53]: President [0:01:54, 0:01:55]: Anthony Mitten. [0:01:56, 0:01:58]: Jaden Williams. Present. [0:01:59, 0:02:01]: We have a core, mister Mr. Chairman. [0:02:02, 0:02:03]: Thank you, Ms. Logan. [0:02:11, 0:02:17]: I'd ask everyone to uh read the agenda. And following that we have a motion to adopt the agenda. [0:02:25, 0:02:34]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchon. Unless anybody in the public wants us to read them in us, I suggest that we just vote on accepting them and I would like to make a motion. [0:02:35, 0:02:42]: Mr. Flashon has made a motion to adopt the uh the agenda. Do I have a second? Harrow's second it. Did you get that, Miss Logan? [0:02:44, 0:02:56]: That Herald second the meeting. Second the motion. All right, that's been moved and seconded. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Hearing none, the motion is carried. [0:02:58, 0:03:02]: Would you kindly read the minutes from the July twenty seventh m uh meeting? [0:03:04, 0:03:10]: And following that we may have a motion to accept it or amend it as necessary. [0:03:13, 0:03:14]: Somebody else. [0:03:15, 0:03:16]: [198.7, 209.5]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchon again. Um, unless anybody in public wants us to reread those minutes from that meeting, I would like to make a motion that we approve them as written. [0:03:31, 0:03:31]: I have a second. [0:03:33, 0:03:34]: Harrow second it. [0:03:35, 0:03:53]: All right, it's been moved and second. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed, hearing none, the motion carries. Uh I'd like to welcome a new planning commission member, Mr. Jaden Williams. Mr. Williams. [0:03:55, 0:04:01]: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um I'm excited to be here. Did the work for the city. Thank you. You're welcome. [0:04:04, 0:04:12]: Okay, the first item on the agenda is the comprehensive plan amendment case number CP two oh two three-two for council district four. [0:04:16, 0:04:27]: Consideration of a request for a comprehensive plan amendment to assign the future land use designation of high density residential to property number f to the property located fifty five Valley Hill Road. [0:04:27, 0:04:45]: to allow for the construction of a townhouse development. The applicant is D.R. Horton Inc., represented by Tiffany Hogan. The property represents parcel number S 1601006000 in Landlot 69 of District 12. [0:04:45, 0:04:50]: And it contains twenty four point nine six plus or minus acres within the city of Stockridge. [0:04:51, 0:04:52]: Mr Lytton. [0:04:56, 0:05:05]: Thank you, Chair. My name is Gordon Linton, Tether Month for the City of Stockfield, and I'm here to present the case number CP 2023 data service. [0:05:10, 0:05:15]: The case that the applicant is VR which is represented by [0:05:21, 0:05:41]: And the applicant's request is to change the future land use designation from LI Black Industrial to high density residential to allow for the development of 165 new simple town homes along with multiple MTs and open space areas. The number of proposed units is 6.6 units per. [0:05:41, 0:06:01]: Per acre. The address of the property is 55,000 abroad. The number of acres is 24.96. The project characteristic is a warehouse with two buildings and is mostly wood. The city designation is Light Industrial. And the current zoning is Light Industrial. And the sign of [0:06:01, 0:06:03]: Posted on August 72. [0:06:10, 0:06:29]: Here is the area of the property of 55 value growth. This is the subject property right here. And we have two parks, Cochrane Park and Garner Park in this area. And we also have public and it's important to note that Giamatti County, which is currently in the construction place as public. [0:06:29, 0:06:31]: Already scared too. [0:06:35, 0:06:48]: Here is a close-up of the property. Here you have this is the office, you have the warehouse, and you have the shed, and there's also a break-in-the-located inside of the room. [0:06:53, 0:07:04]: This is a site visit that I did on August 7th, 2023. As you can see, that's the warehouse, that's the office, and also there's there's equipment over there along the tree. [0:07:08, 0:07:28]: The city's stockers comprehensive plan. The current future land use map designates the subject property as site industrial. However, the current future land use map is compatible with the requested resilience of MM Park, which is multiple family residential. Therefore, the applicant is requested to change the future land use designation of the subject. [0:07:28, 0:07:32]: subject property from LI biodiversity to high density respect. [0:07:36, 0:07:48]: There is a feature of that use map of 65 value in the road. Here's a subject property. And this I have to interrupt. There's a problem with the connection. Could the IT man come over here, please? [0:08:10, 0:08:30]: Okay, so this is the feature land use now 55. As you can see, the property is light industrial. To the left is high density residential, and you also have medium density residential. And there are the two parks located here: Park Conservation, and you also have Pubb's, which is low-density protocol mix use, and you have [0:08:30, 0:08:32]: I yeah, both desk and resonate as well. [0:08:37, 0:08:46]: This is a zoning map of the area. Um, later industrial as well. And this is the subject property, and you also have parks. [0:08:51, 0:09:11]: The surrounding land is designation. So province in the north, which is vacant land, is low density residential. Then you have Champion Cleaning System, which is a business, low density road for mixed use. Castus River Subdivision, which is low density residential, property to the south, is a single family residential. [0:09:11, 0:09:31]: Density residential, and then you have Clark Park and Army Park, which is Park Recreation Conservation. The property to the east is also Clark Park. You have the public service center, which is Low Density Brooklyn's use, and the Diamante Town Home, which is Low Density Residential. To the west, you have Bay Oak Village. [0:09:31, 0:09:39]: High density residential, Woodland Ridge, which is medium density residential, and North South Ridge, which is medium density residential. [0:09:41, 0:10:01]: So this is the surrounding land use density of the subdivision. This is the subject property here. And then we also have the the other surrounded subdivisions with the units per acre. And as you can see based on this map, it's assistant with the comprehensive uh penant tenant comprehensive [0:10:01, 0:10:03]: Okay, [0:10:06, 0:10:24]: And this is a table showing the surrounding land use densities. These are the names of the subdivision as well, the units and the density per acre. And like I said earlier, based on the uh density, which is 6.6 units per acre, it's consistent with the surrounding subdivisions. [0:10:29, 0:10:33]: There is the side plan, your uh the side plan. [0:10:35, 0:10:36]: The practice. [0:10:41, 0:11:01]: And we did a staff analysis. We looked at the consistency with the comprehensive comprehensive time and other subject property from land adjusted to the high defensive residential is necessary because the current land use designation does not allow the development of townhomes. In addition, the proposed townhome development is consistent. [0:11:01, 0:11:21]: Policy goals of the current studio staff comprehensive plan twenty eight to twenty twenty eighteen to twenty thirty-eight. There are listed on as follows on page thirty-five and thirty-nine. And these are the lists which provide a mixture of housing options to attract young professionals, singles, and small family, maintain a friendly environment, and focus on the testing and [0:11:21, 0:11:22]: Ten incumbent. [0:11:24, 0:11:25]: Right instead of [0:11:30, 0:11:35]: between the system park, residential areas and the downtown areas. [0:11:38, 0:11:58]: Relation to the zoning of the property. The current zoning of LI is not compatible with the list of permanent zoning district that found in the requested high density resignation future lands destination to allow for the proposed zoning that applicant have requested resonance of the property from LI to MX Barrow to allow for the townhomes to rebuild. And that'll be heard of the capital. [0:11:57, 0:12:17]: Requesting high density residential is compatible with the request state MFR district. Page 32 of the unified development code states that the 10th of the MFR is to allow the development of multiple family residents served by the public water and sewage district. Provisions that regularly dismage district. [0:12:17, 0:12:28]: for the development of residential neighborhood in a high density urban development environment with access provided on the streets that are classified as collective. [0:12:31, 0:12:35]: So the ability of the side that requirements. [0:12:40, 0:12:45]: [779.7, 799.7]: That's located to the east that's being built out of this area. Changing the property's future land to destination from black industrial to high design residential is beneficial to the value of growth or allowing continue continuation of further residential development. [0:13:19, 0:13:39]: Than an additional adjusted result. As a result, this will enable the city of Southbridge to provide necessary housing. The requested 6.6 units per acre is consistent with the surrounding destiny of the subdivision as small as show about size 7 and 8. Furthermore, the surrounding C2 areas. [0:13:39, 0:13:47]: Located to the east as well as the city park makes the property suitable and feasible for the development of Taiwan. [0:13:55, 0:14:15]: To have existing residential Nipus and the city park, it is unlikely for the subject property to build for industrial use. In addition, the subject property is the only property within the vicinity, which has a light industrial designation and residential landing destinations around the property. Furthermore, only one other nearby property. [0:14:15, 0:14:19]: Therefore the request and the title is the person which we should. [0:14:19, 0:14:22]: Menus doesn't it won't be asked for the project's not interesting. [0:14:24, 0:14:44]: And the staff report has demonstrated that the request of the comp plan amendment via the twenty CP 2023-02 will be necessary and desirable for the subject property in conjunction with requested resolding of the properties via RZ 2023-03 to adopt the proposed units and requested variants of VR. [0:14:44, 0:14:51]: Twenty twenty three that also need to allow for reflection button correctly I said that therefore the plan and so the staff recommendation. [0:15:01, 0:15:04]: Any questions from the um board, commission? [0:15:04, 0:15:05]: Any questions? [0:15:05, 0:15:12]: Yeah, I have a question. Uh even if they build these town homes, uh, what kind of restrictions are we [0:15:12, 0:15:30]: putting on these townhomes for requirements, whether it be for uh safety, uh security, uh fencing or possibly uh for noise hazard, uh is it close to the train tracks or is on the uh behind [0:15:32, 0:15:36]: That's that's another thing I was looking at just now on on the paperwork. [0:15:36, 0:15:46]: Yes, uh we'll address those type of issues in the rezoning staff port staff report. Uh right now we just wanna address the land use. So save that question for the next presentation. [0:15:47, 0:15:48]: All right, thank you. [0:15:55, 0:15:56]: Any other questions? [0:15:59, 0:16:01]: Hearing none, may I have a motion for uh [0:16:03, 0:16:06]: The um zoning. [0:16:07, 0:16:14]: The amendment to um excuse me, Mr. Abdullah. Yes. This we got to allow the public to speak. [0:16:15, 0:16:16]: Oh, I'm sorry. [0:16:19, 0:16:24]: We have any comments from w first of all let me say I apologize that we open up the um [0:16:25, 0:16:27]: Hearing for public comments. [0:16:27, 0:16:29]: For those supporting and those opposing. [0:16:30, 0:16:34]: When you approach the podium, would you kindly give us your name, address, where you're located at? [0:16:35, 0:16:37]: And um provide your comment. [0:16:39, 0:16:41]: Those supporting, I go first. [0:16:46, 0:16:51]: The applicant, is the applicant here? Yes sir. You the applicant? Yes sir. Okay, go ahead. [0:16:55, 0:16:56]: Yeah. [0:17:07, 0:17:10]: You would need to start the clock again and call a different presentation up. [0:17:49, 0:17:50]: All right. [0:17:50, 0:17:58]: Good evening, Planning Commissioners. Thank you and staff. Um my name is Tiffany Hogan, thirteenth. Could you speak into the mic, please? Thank you. [0:18:05, 0:18:25]: My name is Tiffany Hogan, 1371 Dogwood Drive, on behalf of D.R. Horton, Atlanta East Division. I am the forward planning manager and I am here this evening to speak with you regarding 55 Valley Hill Road, which we are seeking a comprehensive land plan amendment as well as rezoning. [0:18:25, 0:18:28]: and a variance which will be discussed later. [0:18:30, 0:18:50]: Again, as staff has pointed out, the site is located just off of East Atlanta Road. Uh the railroad track does run right here. And when you cross the track to Valley Hill Road, that would be the access point, one access point into the community from Valley Hill and Davis Road runs behind the project. [0:18:54, 0:19:07]: This site is twenty-four point nine acres approximately. The current zoning, as well as the current future land use, is light industrial. We are seeking to rezone to uh to change the comprehensive land plan. [0:19:08, 0:19:28]: To high density residential in order to allow for multifamily residential rezoning, which would allow for a town home development. Since meetings with your staff, the councilwoman for this district, as well as a community meeting that was held a couple of nights ago, we did make some changes. [0:19:28, 0:19:48]: To the site plan from the one that was submitted with our application. One of those being a reduction in the number of units to 165 units from 173 units initially. So our density did change from just over seven units per acre to 6.62 units per acre. [0:19:47, 0:20:07]: There is a stream that runs directly through the center of this property, as Gordon pointed out during his presentation, and we'll see that a little bit closer in a second. So that did allow for an opportunity for more open space to be left on this site. We think that we did a very good job of laying out the plan around that. [0:20:07, 0:20:18]: But because of that and some additional open space areas that we are leaving throughout, we are significantly over the 15% open space requirement by your code. [0:20:20, 0:20:40]: This is the site plan. I know it's a little small on there. We have one main access point here that lines up with Stage Coach Road that's across the street there on Valley Hill. And then the second access point is over here, which aligns with Landover Drive off of Davis. So when you come into the community, you [0:20:40, 0:20:56]: You immediately have an open space area there, as well as some guest parking, which we've dispersed throughout the community. And you have units and then on the opposite side there's actually a dumpster area with hopes that as people are leaving the community, they would stop. [0:20:57, 0:21:00]: Лев верш за некси коммуніті. [0:21:00, 0:21:08]: We have some additional open space that is behind these. And then there is a main amenity area that's located here. [0:21:08, 0:21:12]: The entire site is uh surrounded by twenty five foot buffers. [0:21:13, 0:21:25]: And then there's also an additional almost 100 feet from the railroad tracks to the property line on each um through down throughout the site. [0:21:26, 0:21:37]: There's also a desail lane that we would be putting in here off of this Valley Hill Road entrance, and then a D sell lane that would be added here off of Davis Road as well. [0:21:39, 0:21:59]: So as you've heard, I'm kind of addressing all three applications here at once. The comprehensive plan amendment we are seeking is currently light industrial. We are seeking high-density residential. Staff has recommended approval. The rezoning application, light industrial, we are proposing multi-family residential. [0:21:59, 0:22:15]: residential staff has recommended approval with conditions and the variance application uh the current that your code requires is a 50-foot front setback we are requesting a 25 foot front setback and staff has also recommended that with conditions. [0:22:17, 0:22:37]: The Town Home Development meets the Comprehensive Plan Community Goals and Policies. It provides a mixture of housing options to attract young professionals, singles, and small families. It maintains a family-friendly environment and focuses on attracting and retaining young adults. It creates a sense of place for our community along our com along the commercial corridors. [0:22:37, 0:22:47]: and it identifies opportunities to create new trail connections between existing parks, residential areas, and the downtown. So let's talk a little bit how it meets all of those goals. [0:22:48, 0:22:53]: And again, this is that same comprehensive land plan map that you saw during Gordon's presentation. [0:22:53, 0:23:04]: Here is the site and the surrounding properties. This is high density residential. This is the subject property as low uh low light industrial, sorry. And then Oak Val Oak [0:23:05, 0:23:16]: Sorry, it's escaping my mind here. Oak uh villas is down here, which is high density residential as well. And then Diamante Town Homes would be over here. [0:23:18, 0:23:24]: And this map just shows a little bit better the residential that surrounds this light industrial site. [0:23:26, 0:23:37]: And this would be a layout of our townhome buildings. So the townhome units themselves are 24 feet by 50 feet deep. The lots would be 24 feet by 98 feet. [0:23:37, 0:23:42]: And then there is a eight foot wide multi-use path that would be throughout the community to connect. [0:23:43, 0:23:46]: That is one of those changes that came from some of the meetings that I mentioned earlier. [0:23:47, 0:24:07]: We understand that it's very important to have pedestrian connectivity throughout the site. So instead of just doing regular five foot sidewalks, we have um gone ahead and changed that to eight foot wide multi-use paths throughout the interior of the site. Along the frontage of the property, there will be 10 foot wide sidewalks that we would install. [0:24:07, 0:24:19]: The yards would be full side, the buildings would be 20 feet apart, which you see here, and there's a 20-foot rear yard setback, and then we are requesting the variance to 25 feet for the front yard setback. [0:24:21, 0:24:22]: This is again the current site. [0:24:24, 0:24:26]: And we're looking to make it look something like this. [0:24:29, 0:24:35]: And the community fill with the amenities. Again, we talked about the community fill with your comprehensive land plan and how we're meeting that. [0:24:36, 0:24:47]: In this amenity area, we would have a swimming pool, playground, clubhouse, the eight-foot multi-use path throughout the community, ten foot sidewalks on the frontage, and then multiple open spaces throughout the site as well. [0:24:48, 0:24:50]: This is an example of what the clubhouse would look like. [0:24:52, 0:24:58]: This is an example of what the pool would look like. Pool furniture. There's a mushroom there as well for the kids to play underneath. [0:24:59, 0:25:07]: This is the outside of the clubhouse ceiling fan there. And on that first image that I showed, there's actually ceiling fans on the side as well. [0:25:07, 0:25:22]: Patio furniture and again that mushroom that kids can play underneath, or adults if they choose. This map shows the proximity to the parks. So you have this light industrial site here that is prime for residential development to take uh make use. [0:25:23, 0:25:39]: of community amenities that are being paid for with tax dollars. You have Cochrane Park right here, absolutely walking distance, and then Clark Community Park right here as well, which is also walking distance. These are all within a half a mile because from [0:25:39, 0:25:52]: the subject site to the building that we're standing in right now is exactly one mile according to my Google. So if someone actually wanted to walk to your new amphitheater from this development for a concert, that would be very plausible for them to do that. [0:25:53, 0:26:01]: Again, the um community would consist of 165 new homes, 24-foot wide town homes, all two car garages. [0:26:01, 0:26:21]: Uh I'm sorry, there should not be 16 house plans there. That is from a old site, uh a different project, the single family detached. There are three bedrooms throughout. There is an opportunity for the end unit, for one end unit on each one of the buildings to be a four-bedroom unit, and there are now thirty-one buildings. So at max [0:26:21, 0:26:35]: There could be 31 four bedroom units, but all of the other bedrooms, all of the other units would be three bedrooms. Again, we are exceeding the open space requirements and these are all the amenities again that would be included there. Excuse me, you have one minute left. [0:26:36, 0:26:56]: And one of the things that I just wanted to point out about DR Horton, as we're in this housing crisis that we're currently in, it's very important to us that there's an opportunity for home ownership for all residents. So we do offer a special program called our Main Street Heroes program, which offers discounts to all of these people, or an incentive, I'm sorry, not a discount. Currently it is$1,000 towards their closed [0:26:56, 0:27:09]: closing costs. We also have a home buyers club which prepares people for home ownership to make sure they can purchase the home and stay in the home, becoming credit worthy and understanding what the mortgage looks like. That program is free of charge for those folks to use. [0:27:10, 0:27:17]: And this is another example of what the units would potentially look like. Thank you so much. I would be happy to entertain any questions from any of the commissioners. [0:27:19, 0:27:21]: May I uh speak, Mr Ch Chairman? [0:27:22, 0:27:29]: Uh, do you have a list of items that the community request in your last meeting that they were concerned about? [0:27:30, 0:27:36]: Yes, sir. So the main concern was traffic and I am going to reach out to your Department of Transportation. [0:27:36, 0:27:43]: The folks that live off of Davis Road had concerns about whether there are any plans for improvements of Davis Road. [0:27:43, 0:27:51]: So, I do want to have a conversation with your Department of Transportation about that. I do believe that that person was invited to the pre-application meeting as well. [0:27:52, 0:28:11]: Were they there right? Okay. I'm sorry, I'm looking at right. Um, so they would have had the opportunity at that time to tell us if they had any concerns about the additional traffic that would be on any of those roads. They did not express that, but based on the community feedback, I have agreed to check in and just see if there are any opportunities there. [0:28:12, 0:28:32]: Did you do a traffic study for that area? We did do a traffic study and as I mentioned at the beginning, my traffic engineer, Alex, is here with us and would be happy to answer any additional questions. The study is not complete yet. They have completed the counts. The study will be completed by the beginning of September and we will be able to provide that to staff and have it in time for the mayor council meeting. [0:28:32, 0:28:37]: Let me wr uh relate one thing to you about traffic study I have issues with. [0:28:38, 0:28:42]: Uh they'll do traffic studies during the week. [0:28:44, 0:28:46]: I don't ever see'em doing it for the weekend. [0:28:47, 0:28:51]: Is it possible they can do it during the weekend also? Not just during the week? [0:28:52, 0:28:59]: You want some counts for the weekend? Yes, because uh we have a a a lot of traffic on the weekend just as well as we have it during the week. [0:29:01, 0:29:19]: That is definitely something that we can explore, I believe, and I have the expert here so that I don't step over in his lane, but I do believe that the highest counts typically are during the week with school traffic and people commuting to work. Um, but that's definitely something that we can take into consideration. [0:29:22, 0:29:24]: I have a question for you. Yes, sir. [0:29:25, 0:29:29]: I'm concerned about the number of units going in, what impact it has on the local school district. [0:29:31, 0:29:50]: Because uh you bringing in a hundred and sixty-five home and just for sake of argument, one child per home, that's increasing the population in the local school by one hundred and sixty-five students. What impact is that gonna have on the school? How are you addressing that? Uh have you spoke with the local um officials about that? [0:29:52, 0:30:12]: We have not spoken with them about the schools, but what I will say is I have no problem making that phone call and getting those numbers for them to see if your schools are currently under capacity or over capacity or whatever the case may be for this particular school district. In addition to that, uh what we are seeing a lot with town home development. [0:30:12, 0:30:32]: developments is that it is either small families, like you said, maybe one child or no children at all for millennials, and seniors are also looking to move into townhomes so that they can downsize. So we are seeing a mixture of that in townhome developments. So I understand your concerns, but I think that we have [0:30:32, 0:30:43]: Yeah, I understand that, but uh any development like this has an impact on the on the schools. Absolutely. And uh [0:30:44, 0:30:47]: uh education is is is uh a a major [0:30:48, 0:31:08]: issue these days and uh to have uh a particular school overcrowded uh does a disservice to both to the community and the students. So uh I would hope that you would look into that and see what kind of impact that would have on uh understanding that and I'm just using one child per household as as the basis of my argument that means the [0:31:08, 0:31:12]: The population of the school has increased by one hundred and sixty-five students. [0:31:12, 0:31:29]: And so as you pointed out, m not everyone will have a child. There'd be some senior citizens, some professionals don't have kids, et cetera. But I think the impact on the schools, the fire department, the ambulance, all that comes into play. And I think those are some issues that needs to be addressed. [0:31:30, 0:31:50]: We can definitely make that call to the school system and have those numbers. Um I would also uh as far as ambulance, uh police, those folks were definitely invited to the pre-application meeting and have had an opportunity to review this plan actually at the higher unit count, so we've reduced it now. Um so they [0:31:50, 0:31:59]: They did have an opportunity for input and there were no concerns expressed. Okay. We will we will have that report from the school board in time for the mayor's council meeting. [0:32:00, 0:32:01]: Okay. [0:32:05, 0:32:25]: That it thank you for your presentation. Um, I have a couple questions for you. Yes, sir. First of all, um what are the prices, anticipated prices going to be for these townhomes when they sell, go for go up for sale? Yes, sir. So we anticipate if we had to estimate based on today's cost, because one thing that I [0:32:25, 0:32:45]: did leave out and it will address your question a little bit about schools as well. If this is successfully rezoned, then sorry, thank you. If this is successfully rezoned, we are still anywhere from 18 to 24 months before we begin development on this site. And then a project of this size is about a two and a half year [0:32:45, 0:32:56]: before it is at full build out, full or full capacity. So um one of the things that we would do is um [0:32:57, 0:33:01]: Sorry, forgot where I was going there. Remind me of your question again. [0:33:01, 0:33:04]: I got distracted when I realized I wasn't talking into the mic. [0:33:06, 0:33:07]: What was your question again? [0:33:07, 0:33:27]: The value of the home. The value of the home. If we had to estimate uh at today's cost, then of course two years could change a little bit, but we would estimate that they would be in the low threes. Uh and that would be the starting price. Remember, majority of them would be three bedrooms unless someone chose that option for the one of the thirty-one units that could be four bedrooms on the end. [0:33:28, 0:33:37]: Did I also understand you to say there would be more than one entrance and exit in this community? Yes, sir. So there will be two access points. [0:33:45, 0:33:58]: So the what we would consider the main access, because we anticipate that the majority of the people would be using East Atlanta Road, the majority of the time, would be right here off of Valley Hill, and then the other access point would be right here off of Davis. [0:33:59, 0:34:06]: Okay. So just to give you a visual, uh Clark Park is right down here. So this is Davis, the access on Davis. [0:34:06, 0:34:14]: In your plan, i is there a homeowner association part of this plan? Okay. There will be a mandatory homeowners association, yes sir. [0:34:14, 0:34:34]: Uh and are you aware that this whole piece of property is in the blast zone of the Norfolk Southern Railroad that comes through there? Uh the line here that runs through Stockbridge is the most used short line in the country with about a hundred and fifteen tra uh trips per day. So I just was [0:34:34, 0:34:49]: wondering how you were gonna sell those to people when the train tracks are right there on top of'em and and you're in the blast zone where they're actually honking their horn both directions to for that crossing there at Valley Hill. [0:34:49, 0:35:01]: Yes, sir. So we have taken that into consideration and one of the reasons that we selected the traffic engineering firm that we selected is because they have more experience with planning um [0:35:01, 0:35:21]: traffic uh traffic around train intersections and also doing some work on train intersections themselves. So we have asked them specifically to look into the number of trips that the train is making and all of that. So we will have additional information about that in the traffic impact study. As far as the sound, we have built [0:35:21, 0:35:41]: other projects near um train tracks and what happens is there is a clause that is in the contract that specifically says to those folks you understand that you're purchasing a property that's near a train track and therefore there may be noise from that. Obviously it's not something that we're trying to hide from people. They'll see it with the main access point. [0:35:41, 0:35:52]: being having to cross the railroad tracks to get into it. But there will be a clause so that those people do have to sign off. They have a clear understanding that the train may be coming by and making noise. [0:35:53, 0:36:00]: Okay. Did did you say you had a traffic person here with you? I do, yes. And then answer some questions. Uh absolutely. Alex. [0:36:01, 0:36:04]: Let me ask you one more question before they come up. Yes, sir. Yeah. [0:36:05, 0:36:09]: Since this is going to be a subdivision in a townhouse community. [0:36:09, 0:36:29]: How are you going to address potential renters? Because it's been not my experience, but sitting on the board here, many people come here, they buy a townhouse and then they end up renting it. And renters don't care for the property as much as the owner does. So how do you tend to address that or if you plan to address that? [0:36:29, 0:36:49]: So one of those slides that I actually had to fly through at the end because I only had a minute left actually talks about how our agents are trained to sell to owner occupants for so that means that the first person that we are selling to is supposed to be an owner occupant. We also hold seminars to educate. [0:36:49, 0:37:09]: Other local agents that aren't DR Horton agents on new home construction and first-time buyers to encourage them to bring their first-time home buyers to the property. Another thing that we do and that we discussed with the councilwoman for this district when we met with her is in the homeowner association governing document. [0:37:09, 0:37:25]: documents having a rental cap in there. It is my understanding that recently a 10% cap has been what was proposed, but the councilwoman did ask for a 5% cap, and we are agreeable to whatever staff, planning commission, mayor, council decides that cap should be. [0:37:26, 0:37:26]: Thank you. [0:37:28, 0:37:28]: Okay. [0:37:30, 0:37:31]: Any one of Alex? Yeah. [0:37:32, 0:37:35]: Alex Simmons, I'm a professional engineer with Kekkenwood Engineering. [0:37:36, 0:37:56]: Very good. Um, Valley Hill Road. I'm very familiar with it. I used to travel it four times a day. Um, are you aware of what the traffic is like going east down Valley Hill Road right now? I I am, both from an analysis standpoint and then I've actually conducted site visits to observe traffic in the area. [0:37:56, 0:37:57]: So yes, sir. [0:37:57, 0:38:17]: Okay. I can just imagine school buses trying to get in and out of there with traffic backed up thirty cars deep from the railroad tracks. And that's without a train. That's just with the s green red and green stop signal that is there, people trying to come down and turn either north or south on East Atlanta. I I I [0:38:17, 0:38:37]: see a huge problem for the the residents who would live there trying to even get out in the morning to go to work in the morning because it's so backed up and you you're looking both directions, cars coming up the hill over the railroad track and down the hill off of Valley Hill and it is not a nice intersection at all. [0:38:37, 0:38:55]: Um I just wanna make sure your uh your traffic study is it takes all that into consideration because it backs up, like I said, easily thirty cars deep during most of the hours of the day, let alone rush hour. Okay and considering school buses and things like that. [0:38:55, 0:39:09]: Can we say these questions for the rezon? Uh we're getting off track. This is just about the land use. Uh we've very way off track, so we need to get back on track. We just need to address the land use during this question. Well part of it. Um so [0:39:11, 0:39:15]: Yep. Okay, thank you. These will be these items will be discussed on the rezoning staff report. [0:39:18, 0:39:20]: Come back. Yeah. We're gonna circle back. Okay. [0:39:24, 0:39:44]: Again, I'm gonna be the loudmouth here. In my opinion, the comprehensive land use plan on this piece of property is absolutely correct for what it should be. It has been commercial since I've moved here in 1985. Uh it's always been light industrial. It should stay light industrial. Again, with uh being adjacent to the railroad track like it. [0:39:44, 0:39:54]: is and have a minimum amount of traffic coming in and out of there. I think a residential development would be pretty bad, my opinion. [0:39:59, 0:40:02]: I think we should open up for public comment at this point. [0:40:06, 0:40:08]: All those projects supporting uh [0:40:10, 0:40:16]: Oh I'm sorry. [0:40:16, 0:40:34]: Oh, the the uh amendment is open for public comment. Those supporting the amendment can come forward, provide us with your name, address. Just asking if he was aware of the traffic pardon me down there. I'm I'm sorry, your name and address and whether you support or oppose it. [0:40:36, 0:40:37]: How back, so [0:40:38, 0:40:39]: Those supporting. [0:40:41, 0:40:43]: Opposing. Do you have any supporting uh [0:40:45, 0:40:47]: in member of the public supporting this. [0:40:48, 0:40:51]: Hearing non the op oh the posing oh where? [0:40:53, 0:40:58]: Pardon me? He opposed. He opposed. Okay. All right, ma'am, you first. [0:41:00, 0:41:04]: Um the speakers will need to fill out their name and address on this clipboard, please. [0:41:10, 0:41:12]: Mr Chair, how many uh minutes does each speaker have? [0:41:13, 0:41:15]: Three minutes. Thank you. [0:41:18, 0:41:21]: Miss, would you provide your name and address on the sheet there? [0:41:43, 0:41:49]: My name is Gwen Mac. We do on microphone. Can you hear me? Yeah. Okay. [0:41:50, 0:42:10]: I'm Gwen Mack. My address is 377 Grove Hill Drive. I live in the Valley Hill Station subdivision. I oppose this construction. We have all the council has already approved two constructions, um, which I'm opposed to and most of our neighbors are opposed to. [0:42:10, 0:42:15]: 576 Davis Road, you're gonna have 165 units. [0:42:15, 0:42:20]: Seven thirteen Valley Hill Road, the townhomes gonna be fifty six units. [0:42:20, 0:42:24]: Now you're trying to build another one sixty five units. [0:42:24, 0:42:26]: on Valley Hill Road, a two lane [0:42:27, 0:42:28]: Um road. [0:42:28, 0:42:30]: With the railroad track at the end. [0:42:30, 0:42:32]: The street is very busy. [0:42:33, 0:42:38]: We're concerned about traffic. There's so many accidents around on that main road. [0:42:38, 0:42:43]: Because you in and out going to publics, you're going to one thirty eight or North Henry, whatever you wanna call it. [0:42:43, 0:42:45]: It's just a bad decision. [0:42:45, 0:42:47]: I moved to Stockbridge. [0:42:47, 0:42:52]: When I moved to Georgia, because I wanted to be outside the city limits, not in Atlanta. [0:42:52, 0:42:55]: Натаран холла субдивизі на таунхом. [0:42:56, 0:43:02]: It it I moved here because I'm I'm from a small town and I wanted to be in a small town with not a lot of [0:43:03, 0:43:04]: commotion going on. [0:43:04, 0:43:10]: Now that we've been annexed, which I was opposed to, into the city of Stockbridge, I'm just really [0:43:10, 0:43:13]: disappointed with the city of Stockbridge um [0:43:14, 0:43:16]: trying to do all these constructions. [0:43:16, 0:43:18]: In inside our city limits. [0:43:18, 0:43:21]: We live in a small quiet subdivision. [0:43:22, 0:43:28]: To me, when you bring more units and more people in the area, then you asking for more police, you ask for more [0:43:29, 0:43:31]: traffic, you're asking for more [0:43:31, 0:43:32]: Crime. [0:43:32, 0:43:37]: That's the reason we live. Most of the people in our neighborhood have been living thirty plus years. [0:43:38, 0:43:50]: So I'm opposed to this construction as well as another construction that's going on on Valley Hill Road. I'm very disappointed that you if you guys approve this. It's too much traffic. [0:43:51, 0:43:52]: Even though you want to build a city. [0:43:52, 0:43:55]: This is still not Atlanta, it's stock bridge. [0:43:55, 0:43:59]: And we want to remain in a stockbridge type area. [0:44:00, 0:44:01]: Thank you. [0:44:01, 0:44:21]: Before you leave, can I can I add something to your conversation? Yes. Even though we will make a decision here, the city council can overturn whatever decision we make. I understand that. Okay. I just want to make sure you're aware of it. I understand. That's why I said I'm very disappointed in the city of Stockbridge and the city council. [0:44:21, 0:44:32]: Okay. So'cause I understand what they're trying to do. Okay. So at the end of the day, you know, if we make decisions here, we don't have the last say so. I I understand. All right. Thanks, ma'am. I appreciate that. [0:44:34, 0:44:35]: Sir, you may approach. [0:44:44, 0:44:52]: Did you sign the sheet there? I did. Okay. Okay. Good evening. My name is Jerome Mitchell. Post the mic so we can hear post the mic so we can hear you. [0:44:54, 0:45:00]: Can you hear me now? Yeah. Okay. I say my name is Jerome Mitch and I live on Davis Road and I've been here [0:45:01, 0:45:03]: Approximately twenty years. [0:45:03, 0:45:14]: And I don't think it's a good idea to uh put uh wait a minute, well, I'm not clear. I call and they said it was only a hundred and twenty units going up. Are you saying it's a hundred and sixty five units? [0:45:15, 0:45:17]: Correct. At this point, yeah. [0:45:17, 0:45:37]: Oh, okay. So I didn't get that information. But yeah, that's that's gonna be a lot. A lot. I'm opposed to all the traffic that's gonna be going on and of course the the infrastructure now. I heard that we was getting sidewalks in this center third on on Davis Road. So now if they gonna come with these short driveways [0:45:37, 0:45:51]: Are we still gonna get some of the stuff that we was promised? Like uh the uh storm train covered with sidewalks and stuff like that. I mean'cause I would got that four or five years ago and it never happened. [0:45:52, 0:45:54]: So I mean I just don't want all the traffic. [0:45:56, 0:46:00]: Uh'cause I mean I live right next door to where the property is going. [0:46:01, 0:46:06]: So I mean I'm sure it's gonna interfere with with some of the stuff that I do on my property, but [0:46:07, 0:46:08]: That's all I got to say. [0:46:09, 0:46:10]: So you oppose it then? [0:46:11, 0:46:12]: Say again? [0:46:13, 0:46:20]: Oh yes, for sure. All right, okay. Just want to make sure. Okay. All right, thank you. Anyone else? [0:46:22, 0:46:23]: Yes, ma'am. [0:46:26, 0:46:28]: Yeah, sign it first and could put it right there. [0:46:31, 0:46:51]: Well while she signs, Mr. Chair, I think I wanna just interject here. Um I think all of our concerns, uh, community, uh those on this diocese, the traffic in the area. Um, is it possible or before we uh before we, you know, move anything for or you I know you'll be coming up later to give us the traffic count, but um [0:46:52, 0:46:56]: I I'll wait till then. So I can kinda hear their report and then I'll come back. [0:47:05, 0:47:05]: That's really fun. [0:47:06, 0:47:08]: Oh it's both of them. [0:47:08, 0:47:10]: The administration will come. [0:47:14, 0:47:16]: Well I'm listening to everything. [0:47:17, 0:47:19]: [2848.8, 2868.8]: Yes, ma'am, do good. Okay. Uh my name is Sandra Goings, two ten, Oak Circle North, Stockbridge. And uh along with the other concerns that that have been mentioned, I agree with that. Uh I opposed this because I'm wondering about when they [0:47:48, 0:47:50]: Ремов ал встреч. [0:47:51, 0:48:04]: from the area and put these townhouses in, is that gonna make then the railroad noise even worse for the surrounding areas, just by m removing the trees from the land? [0:48:06, 0:48:22]: That was all I have to say. Well I'm t as a general rule, uh trees provide that kind of buffer and they do uh um uh dampen the uh noise. And so of course if you remove the trees then your noise is going to increase. [0:48:22, 0:48:30]: Okay, and that's uh why I one another reason that I'm against it is because it will probably increase the noise level from the trains. [0:48:32, 0:48:33]: So you oppose it? [0:48:33, 0:48:39]: I'm opposed. Definitely opposed. All right. Approximately how far away do you live from the railroad crossing? [0:48:40, 0:48:48]: From the railroad uh I'm not near the railroad crossing. I'm off of Davis Road in Big Oak Villas. [0:48:48, 0:48:53]: W and the property will be backing up to part of our subdivision. [0:48:54, 0:48:58]: C could you hear the railroad trains from where you live now? [0:48:58, 0:48:59]: You know [0:49:00, 0:49:09]: I don't usually hear. Okay. Not too bad. Yeah. Well you've either developed an immunity to it. Most people who live near a railroad track [0:49:10, 0:49:14]: Uh they hear and they don't hear the the trains passing through because they've [0:49:15, 0:49:18]: developed an immunity to it. And so uh [0:49:19, 0:49:19]: You know. [0:49:20, 0:49:25]: I've had that experience. I know what you're talking about. Okay. All right, thank you. Anyone else? [0:49:27, 0:49:28]: Anyone else? [0:49:31, 0:49:36]: Hearing none, uh the public comment is now closed. In favor? [0:49:47, 0:49:53]: Mr. Chair, I I'd just like to address a couple of the um concerns that we heard. Um [0:49:53, 0:50:13]: One with the removal of the trees, please keep in mind, and I've taken my presentation down, but there will be a buffer that remains between the railroad track and the property line, pretty much what it is now for the side that you can see off of Valley Hill Road. So it won't change, it should not change anything on that side because those trees [0:50:13, 0:50:33]: Are within that hundred feet that I talked about. And then there's an additional 25-foot buffer around the entire property that we will be leaving and doing some replanting in as well. The concerns about the traffic, of course, we've already discussed that. That we have our traffic engineer here, he can discuss that later. But I want to remind you that this part is for the [0:50:33, 0:50:50]: comprehensive plan update as staff has stated and that light industrial piece is not in character with the surrounding properties that are there. We believe that um changing the comprehensive land use there to multifamily residential would be more in character what's there. [0:50:50, 0:51:05]: And we have also shown you that it meets the goals of your comprehensive land plan to have a change to a residential um land use in that area. So we do hope that you would consider approval of the comprehensive land a map amendment. Thank you. [0:51:14, 0:51:21]: Okay, the uh public uh comment section is now closed. Ask the planning commission members to uh [0:51:22, 0:51:23]: Examine the amendment. [0:51:24, 0:51:26]: And may I have a motion. [0:51:28, 0:51:29]: That is for um [0:51:31, 0:51:36]: The twenty twenty three oh two um comprehensive plan amendment. [0:51:40, 0:51:42]: May I have a motion? [0:51:47, 0:51:54]: Mr. President, I'll put uh present a motion for the property at fifty-five Valley Hill Road. [0:51:56, 0:51:57]: That uh [0:51:59, 0:52:02]: We not approved the uh zoning for that. [0:52:03, 0:52:04]: The amendment the amendment. [0:52:04, 0:52:06]: Yeah, the amendment for that. [0:52:06, 0:52:11]: Your motion is what now? That we do not approve the amendment for that. [0:52:13, 0:52:14]: We have a second. A second. [0:52:17, 0:52:20]: All those in favor let it be known by the sign of I. [0:52:20, 0:52:21]: Uh-huh. [0:52:21, 0:52:24]: Those opposed? Aye. [0:52:27, 0:52:31]: Let me do that again'cause I think you misunderstood what's going on. He made a motion to deny. [0:52:32, 0:52:40]: Oh he made a motion. That's what I'm saying. I made it he made it he made Yes. Okay. All right. Let's start over. [0:52:41, 0:53:01]: Uh Mr Tibador, would you make your motion again, please? Yes, uh I'd like to present a motion that we deny. Excuse me. Point of order, because the motion has already been made, I would ask the maker of the motion to amend his original motion and then call for a second. [0:53:01, 0:53:02]: Second. [0:53:04, 0:53:12]: You heard us you say you need to amend the motion and then again. I'd like to amend the motion that we deny the change. [0:53:15, 0:53:20]: And that we uh redo a second to that motion? Correct? [0:53:23, 0:53:27]: You just it would be a second to the amended motion. I will second that. [0:53:29, 0:53:38]: Been moved and seconded. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed? Hearing none, the ayes have the amendment is denied. [0:53:41, 0:53:53]: We go to item nine, rezoning case number two. Mr Chairman, yeah. Is is anything else relevant for this property at this point? [0:53:54, 0:54:00]: The reality is no it's this I mean, it f at this point it's really perfunctory, but we do have an agenda that we have to adhere to. [0:54:00, 0:54:04]: The uh second item is is is for rezoning. [0:54:04, 0:54:06]: The amendment has been denied, so [0:54:07, 0:54:14]: the uh rezoning would be perfunctory at best. And then there's a variant also fall in the same category, if we asked. [0:54:15, 0:54:18]: uh counsel over there what we should do in this right regard. [0:54:18, 0:54:25]: Yes, Chair, because these matters have been advertised for a public hearing before this commission, you still have to go through the process. [0:54:27, 0:54:29]: Exactly. Okay, I just wanna make sure. [0:54:30, 0:54:50]: Okay. Item nine, rezoning case number RZ twenty twenty three dash O three. Uh consideration for a request for rezoning to assign the manufacturing multi to assign the multifamily residential zoning district to property fifty-five Valley Hill Road to allow for construction. [0:54:50, 0:54:54]: [3294.6, 3303.5]: The property is located in land lot sixty-nine of District twelve and it contains twenty-four point nine six plus or minus acres within Stockbridge city limits. [0:55:06, 0:55:10]: We're trying to get the flash drive to open. [0:55:10, 0:55:11]: Mm-hmm. [0:55:16, 0:55:18]: It's not it's none of those. [0:55:51, 0:55:52]: Okay. [0:55:53, 0:56:00]: This is um presentation for rezoning case number R Z twenty twenty three oh three. [0:56:00, 0:56:03]: For proposed town homes at fifty five Valley Hill Road. [0:56:04, 0:56:07]: Uh a lot of this of course we have covered but [0:56:07, 0:56:15]: This particular case is to rezone the property from LI Light Industrial to MFR multiple family uh residential. [0:56:16, 0:56:20]: And as you've just heard, the proposed comprehensive l um amendment application. [0:56:21, 0:56:26]: Number C P twenty twenty three oh two and then following this will be the variance application. [0:56:26, 0:56:29]: Number VR twenty twenty three O two. [0:56:30, 0:56:38]: This is the aerial photograph, Valley Hill Road here and Davis Road here, and then the railroad tracks to the side. [0:56:39, 0:56:44]: Uh the big old villas here for your reference, and then East Atlanta Road. [0:56:44, 0:56:45]: In this area. [0:56:47, 0:56:55]: Uh we have the property is shown in the lavender color here with the star, a light industrial. There's a few other small pieces of light industrial around it. [0:56:55, 0:56:59]: Uh, the blue area is a downtown district, uh, the gold is [0:56:59, 0:56:59]: Um [0:57:00, 0:57:02]: uh suburban residential [0:57:02, 0:57:04]: And um [0:57:04, 0:57:08]: Brown is uh a multiple family uh residential. [0:57:11, 0:57:18]: Let's see it's parcel number S sixteen oh one oh oh six thousand twenty four point nine oh eight acres. [0:57:19, 0:57:23]: Um Valley Hill Road's classified as a major collector. [0:57:24, 0:57:27]: There's currently a small office building, warehouse, and open shed there. [0:57:29, 0:57:37]: Um we have a few other subdivisions around it as well as uh small churches uh to the north. I'm just um [0:57:38, 0:57:40]: Doing the highlights here. [0:57:46, 0:57:58]: Um, Gordon already covered the surrounding land use designations. The applicant did submit a boundary survey split into the northern and southern sections. The center of the property has [0:57:58, 0:58:01]: Um in this area some as part of the industrial [0:58:02, 0:58:06]: uses that were there, some uh a debris area as it was [0:58:07, 0:58:07]: Termed [0:58:08, 0:58:08]: Um [0:58:09, 0:58:12]: old uh piles of wood piles and [0:58:12, 0:58:13]: Um [0:58:15, 0:58:17]: Old Bannon cars, I think. [0:58:17, 0:58:19]: Those kind of things will be cleaned up, of course. [0:58:21, 0:58:27]: The would be a hundred sixty five units, three bedrooms, um twenty four feet wide, ninety eight feet deep. [0:58:28, 0:58:33]: Um did have some internal cul de sacs and five foot sidewalks on both sides. [0:58:35, 0:58:36]: Um [0:58:36, 0:58:46]: Some of the amenities would be a clubhouse, pool, playground, dog park, tennis court, walking trail, fitness center, picnic area with a grill and covered pavilion. [0:58:47, 0:58:53]: A community garden, reflection area, fire pit, gathering area, and a possible connection eastward to Cochrane Park. [0:58:57, 0:58:59]: All right. Um they have met the [0:59:00, 0:59:01]: Parking requirements. [0:59:01, 0:59:04]: Uh four hundred and ten altogether. [0:59:04, 0:59:06]: sixty eight guest parking spaces. [0:59:07, 0:59:09]: Of course it'd be two car garages plus two [0:59:10, 0:59:11]: Guest parking in the dryways. [0:59:12, 0:59:16]: And then some scattered uh guest parking lots next to the clubhouse and throughout the site. [0:59:18, 0:59:20]: There'd be three storm owner ponds. [0:59:20, 0:59:33]: uh zoning buffers, twenty-five foot buffer around the property and the railroad buffer an additional ten foot railroad buffer. That's the requirement. The creek is a creek in the center, would have a twenty-five foot stream buffer. [0:59:33, 0:59:38]: fifty foot undisturbed buffer buffer and seventy five foot impervious surface. [0:59:39, 0:59:43]: There would also be an environmental impact study that's being prepared. [0:59:43, 0:59:44]: Um [0:59:46, 0:59:48]: Okay, a lot of this we've covered. [0:59:49, 0:59:51]: Ah, let's see. [0:59:52, 0:59:53]: Let's move on down here. [0:59:55, 1:00:00]: Uh the applicant did submit a black and white uh site plan as well as the colored [1:00:01, 1:00:03]: Uh that you just looked at [1:00:05, 1:00:10]: And there's a site data includes some of these statistics that we mentioned. [1:00:12, 1:00:17]: We've concluded this would be acceptable uh use of the property. Um [1:00:20, 1:00:32]: Uh we recommend approval with conditions based on of course approval of this comprehensive plan amendment, the variants to come, uh the specific site plan similar to what you've seen here tonight. [1:00:34, 1:00:54]: Um as well as um oh there was a letter from the um Public Works Office uh that said um they have one year until June 29, 2024 to submit construction plans um in order to uh reserve a sewer capacity on the property. [1:00:54, 1:01:00]: We're also conditioning this on an acceptable traffic study and environmental impact study. [1:01:01, 1:01:02]: Any questions? [1:01:06, 1:01:09]: No, in front of the c commission. [1:01:12, 1:01:15]: Sorry? None. Okay. [1:01:18, 1:01:20]: You're from the applicant. [1:01:23, 1:01:26]: Ms Ms. Logan, then no questions. [1:01:26, 1:01:34]: Okay. I guess you'll move to the public hearing or maybe the applicant would like to speak. Hear from the applicant. [1:01:35, 1:01:36]: Mm-hmm. [1:01:49, 1:01:57]: Hello again, Commissioners. For the sake of time, I won't uh disconnect Miss Logan's PowerPoint and put mine up. [1:01:58, 1:02:18]: So um again you've seen our presentation this evening. We do believe that the best use of this property would have been an amendment to the land use plan and a residential zoning for this site. Stockbridge is in a situation where you are growing [1:02:18, 1:02:38]: You are developing and having an industrial site amongst all of the residential is not likely the best use of that property. We understand your concerns about the noise from the train, as are our concerns as well. We are in the business of selling homes and always want to be [1:02:38, 1:02:58]: Be able to sell out a community in its entirety. In fact, you should note that D.R. Horton is the number one builder in the country, as well as in the Atlanta metropolitan market for the last 20 plus years. The only way that we are able to do that is being very strategic about the projects that we build. [1:02:58, 1:03:15]: and about how we are marketing those. No less of that same analysis went into the selection of this site. Again, for the sake of time, because the comprehensive land plan was already recommended denial, I will entertain any questions, but will yield at this time. [1:03:19, 1:03:31]: Um I would like to point out something else. Uh so the property is zoned light industrial right now and of course if the if the rezoning is denied then that means the property could be uh developed into additional [1:03:32, 1:03:34]: light industrial uses. Um I have here [1:03:35, 1:03:39]: If case you're interested, a list of those uses that would would be allowed. [1:03:45, 1:04:05]: Oh, okay, I should read'em. So um agricultural implementant implementation and equipment establishments, armory and equipment sales, automobile service repair stations providing major repair, uh building materials and lumber supply establishments, business distribution centers, business [1:04:04, 1:04:09]: Business parks, um commercial parking garages and lots. [1:04:09, 1:04:23]: Computer and data processing services, fabrication shops, commercial greenhouses and plant nurseries, including landscaping services, manufacturing, compounding, processing, or assembling food or consumer goods. [1:04:24, 1:04:26]: Newspaper and printing plants. [1:04:27, 1:04:27]: Um [1:04:28, 1:04:37]: And so forth. So those uses all allowed in this district and can be built there uh in under the existing zoning. What about warehouse? [1:04:38, 1:04:38]: Oh. [1:04:39, 1:04:44]: Let's see there are additional industrial and where you have public utilities. Um [1:04:45, 1:04:48]: Substations repair, reconditioning, manufacturing. [1:04:48, 1:04:50]: trade shops, electrical plumbing heating. [1:04:51, 1:05:04]: uh wholesale business, warehouse distribution, and similar non processing storage and distribution uses. So those kind of uses would be allowed to come onto the site. [1:05:05, 1:05:20]: If um and we don't we don't feel that those would be appropriate to this area. It's mostly um suburban uh residential and rural residential around it. And um so uh we feel that the proposed zoning uh would be appropriate. [1:05:38, 1:05:42]: And Mr. Chair, as a reminder, Alex is here to discuss traffic as well. [1:05:50, 1:06:03]: Okay. Alex Simmons again, I'm with Kekkenwood. I'm a professional engineer and work in the traffic engineering, traffic operations business. Um I'll start. Was there any questions or would you like me to d address your questions still or just talk over the site in general? [1:06:05, 1:06:25]: I couldn't understand. Sorry. Did you did you still have a question that you would like like to ask or would like to have me answer or not? Okay. No. No. So I'll I'll give just a quick overview. Um so we have started our preliminary findings in the traffic impact study. Um with the site changes, because we were trying to prepare for this meeting, we actually [1:06:25, 1:06:45]: overestimated trips by 15% for for this meeting. So we didn't show the reduction in in um in housing. But what we found is even with this development, even with projecting traffic out to 2026, we still see acceptable level of service. And so what that means is that the [1:06:45, 1:07:05]: The unsignalized intersections and the signalized intersection are still expected to operate adequately. So I'll add to that the queuing concerns. I think that's something that everyone's kind of talked to with the train tracks, access to the site. So again, I've been out there. [1:07:05, 1:07:25]: Is not something that I looked at in Google Earth and then come here today to talk to. So we have watched the site. One thing that we do see is that yes, there are some cues at the signal. So again, that eastbound movement across the tracks. But what we all what we also see is that the signal does a very good job of clearing those cues. So every cycle. [1:07:25, 1:07:45]: We see those cars progressing through the signal. And so again, looking at our analysis, looking at build-out year of 2026, so again, looking at that background traffic that you guys are going to get from other developments, and then with our site, we really only see a change of four vehicles. So again, I want you guys to take that into consideration, if not today. [1:07:45, 1:08:05]: In the future, is that we're looking at a change in four vehicles. So I think in closing, what I would say is that there are further adjustments that can be made to the traffic signal. There's limitations, yes, because of the proximity of the railroad tracks, but signal timing, advanced programming, there's so many things. [1:08:05, 1:08:20]: That can be done there. The timings there are very basic and they work for what's there now, but accommodations can be made to help facilitate um higher throughput in the future. And so with that I'll I'll let you guys ask any questions if you have them. [1:08:22, 1:08:42]: I have one more question regarding the Norfolk Southern Railroad. Um I know the close proximity of that property to the railroad line itself. Are there any requirements from Norfolk Southern that are going to increase the setback off their rail line once that piece of property is developed? Because I know right now being light industrial [1:08:42, 1:09:02]: they were able to, you know, have access right up almost to the railroad line where changing anything about that property may involve Norfolk Southern and their requirements because they're they're pretty wide open what they want around their railroad track. Just uh curious. I I [1:09:02, 1:09:22]: I can't speak to the the zoning or construction of homes and and the rules of railroad tracks. I can speak to signal operation, signal design, and proximity to railroad tracks. So unfortunately I can't answer that question. Um I'll kind of leave you with one thing. You guys talked about several of the land uses that could be built under the current land use. [1:09:22, 1:09:42]: And just one thing to remember is the types of vehicles that are predominantly used on those. So you may have less trips overall, but you're gonna see more heavy vehicles. And so a lot of people have mentioned infrastructure, the road infrastructure and things like that. Those are the vehicles that wear your roads out. Whereas there could be more single-family homes. [1:09:42, 1:10:02]: Homes and more single unit cars. However, you're not seeing that impact to the asphalt to the pavement day over day. You also have higher concerns of heavy trucks in relation to the railroad tracks, right? Everyone knows the spacing distance from that stop bar to the railroad tracks to old stagecoach road. Again, seeing [1:10:02, 1:10:12]: more and more heavy vehicles on those roads, that queue actually lengthens. Um so that's something to keep in mind as well as you as you look through what could potentially be built in place of this. [1:10:13, 1:10:32]: Fortunately the other developments that we've looked at along Valley Hill Road and adjacent to Davis Road have all been traffic going that direction to the west toward the interstate. Not much of it would be coming back into the city of Stockbridge, which was one of the things we had to consider [1:10:32, 1:10:52]: You know, when we looked at the flow of traffic, that that very f little bit of it, except for maybe school traffic in the morning, was actually going to come into the city, a stockbridge, or go over those railroad tracks. So it's it's just it's a balance that we try to maintain with with you know, the traffic flow that we know is terrible now. Uh a lot of people I think and even [1:10:52, 1:11:12]: In the city and the county are looking at increasing the flow on Valley Hill, widening it, making more turn lanes accessible, that kind of stuff. Unfortunately, where the entrance is for this project is located, it prohibits having another stoplight because it's too close to the stoplight that's on East Atlanta. [1:11:12, 1:11:16]: So it it's it's it's a balance that we have to look at. [1:11:16, 1:11:36]: Yeah, and again, all I can do is just reiterate from a uh from an analysis standpoint that even with the driveway and the cars projected there, that the operations, again, having having old stagecoach road and then the site driveway, that the level of services A, which again is the best level of service that you can provide in a in an operational analysis. [1:11:36, 1:11:56]: Analysis for the road. You know, we're looking at overall this site generating 90 vehicle trips in the morning. So again, we talked about when we expect to see heavier traffic, a.m. and PM are when people travel. So we expect to see roughly 90 trips in the morning, and then just over that in the PM peak. But again, when you look at [1:11:56, 1:12:16]: at this site you're looking at two site driveways. You don't have to think of this site as everybody going on Valley Hill Road or everyone going on Davis Road. So again it's good to keep in mind that there are two access points. Those trips will be divided among those two. So you're not just seeing a high density of vehicles on one movement. Yep. I I would suggest go see [1:12:16, 1:12:25]: sit at that driveway to the entrance of the old pipe company that is there, turn around and come out and try to make a left turn onto Valley Hill. [1:12:26, 1:12:28]: I think you'll see what I'm talking about. [1:12:30, 1:12:31]: Sorry about that. [1:12:32, 1:12:33]: All right. [1:12:33, 1:12:34]: Thank you guys. [1:12:37, 1:12:39]: We're now open for public comment. [1:12:40, 1:12:43]: Those supporting or opposing the rezoning? [1:12:48, 1:12:56]: I said the the meeting is now open for public comment supporting or opposing the rezoning. [1:13:05, 1:13:10]: Hearing none, the the public comment is closed. [1:13:15, 1:13:15]: Yeah. [1:13:15, 1:13:21]: Pardon me? Come to the Sir, please. [1:13:27, 1:13:31]: State your name and address for the record. [1:13:32, 1:13:35]: Jerome, it's a one eighty one Davis Row stock periods. [1:13:39, 1:13:42]: And you oppose a rezoning. Yes. All right. Okay. [1:13:45, 1:13:46]: Anyone else? [1:13:51, 1:13:52]: Anyone else? [1:13:54, 1:14:00]: Hearing none, the public comment section is closed and I asked for a motion from the commission. [1:14:00, 1:14:20]: I would like the commission to keep in mind, uh Miss Logan read the possibilities that this zoning itself lends for this piece of property, but that doesn't mean it needs to stay light industrial forever. It can be rezoned to something else that may be more conducive to the use of that property. [1:14:20, 1:14:34]: I don't think right now high density housing is is appropriate, but uh even with the light industrial, she read the list of all the possible developments that we can put on that property would be more appropriate. So just for consideration. [1:14:34, 1:14:44]: Is that a motion for one way or the other? I would like to make a motion that we deny the rezoning of fifty-five Valley Hill. [1:14:45, 1:14:46]: [4487.3, 4488.7]: I second it, Harold. [1:14:50, 1:14:55]: Uh, it's been moved by Mr. Pleshon and second by Mr. Thividal. [1:14:55, 1:15:13]: Uh that the rezoning of fifty five Valley Hill Road uh rezone twenty twenty three dash three be denied. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of I. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Hearing none, Mr. Chair. [1:15:14, 1:15:16]: Uh let it be known for the record that I abstain for that vote. [1:15:17, 1:15:21]: Uh Mr Excuse me, who abstains? [1:15:21, 1:15:24]: Jaden Williams. [1:15:25, 1:15:30]: Mr. Jaden Williams is um voting present. [1:15:34, 1:15:41]: Did you approve the denial or post? Uh he opposed the denial. Okay, so he's consistent. All right. [1:15:48, 1:15:50]: Moving on to item ten. [1:15:52, 1:15:57]: Variants case number twenty twenty three dash oh two, council district four. [1:15:58, 1:16:04]: Consider request for variance to allow for the construction of a townhouse development. The purpose of the variance is to allow the reduction [1:16:05, 1:16:23]: in the front of the yard setbacks from the required fifty feet to twenty five feet in a multifamily residential zoning district. The property is located in land lot sixty nine of district twelve and it contains twenty four point nine six plus or minus acres within the city within the stock bridge city limits. [1:16:27, 1:16:47]: Okay, I just wanted to point out um actually the applicant showed this before, but um this is a proposal to reduce the front yard setbacks from the required fifty feet to twenty-five feet. Um this is a a diagram here of how the you'd have a townhome building with six units. [1:16:47, 1:16:54]: Units. They'd be offset slightly. That's just for architectural interest. This shows the 25-foot setback they want to. [1:16:55, 1:17:02]: uh have and there would still be a twenty foot rear setback. Um that's the requirement and they they're meeting that requirement. [1:17:03, 1:17:03]: Um [1:17:05, 1:17:10]: And this shows the dimensions of the bi of the units twenty four feet wide and [1:17:10, 1:17:19]: Um, fifty feet deep and then for the for the unit itself and then ninety eight feet for the entire lot, town home lot. [1:17:23, 1:17:43]: So there's different reasons for a granting of a variance and the a reduction of a of a one uh rear front yard is one of the a b a valid reason and can only be granted if um all seven criteria um are met and I'll just briefly mention so one has to do that with um the physical [1:17:43, 1:17:54]: characteristics of the property and it does have uh the creek and other environmental limitations uh plus the debris area. Um [1:17:54, 1:18:06]: Uh we feel that uh there are um lots in the area that um recently the council approved other variances for um set front yard setbacks. [1:18:06, 1:18:07]: Um [1:18:10, 1:18:21]: And there there are no pr special privileges that would be granted. Um it's in consistent with the purpose and intent of the UDC and would be compatible with neighboring uses. [1:18:23, 1:18:35]: Um and this would um although light industrial uses could still be uh developed, we feel that uh townhomes would be more uh appropriate with the MFR uh zoning. [1:18:36, 1:18:37]: Um [1:18:37, 1:18:52]: and townhomes are permitted use within the proposed MFR district. Um we feel that this is reasonable. Uh we recommend approval, of course, with passage of the comprehensive plan amendment, rezoning and the site plan. [1:19:03, 1:19:05]: Yeah, complete your report. [1:19:06, 1:19:07]: Yes. [1:19:08, 1:19:10]: We hear from the applicant then. [1:19:17, 1:19:37]: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, happy to answer any questions that you have. Uh, we do believe that the application for the variants to uh with a 25-foot front yard setback from the 50-foot that is currently required by your code is consistent with development standards of today and still leaves a significant uh drive. [1:19:37, 1:19:57]: For folks where two cars would be able to park in the driveway. In addition to that, also recall that we are proposing the eight-foot multi-use path that connects throughout, which would be some additional space prior to you getting to that right-of-way for the front of each one of the properties. [1:19:57, 1:20:00]: So uh we would request [1:20:01, 1:20:07]: a vote for approval for this variance um in light of the previous votes so we understand. Thank you. [1:20:10, 1:20:10]: Thank you. [1:20:13, 1:20:16]: Uh that opens up the public comment section. [1:20:18, 1:20:19]: All those who s [1:20:21, 1:20:23]: Who supported come forward. [1:20:23, 1:20:28]: Uh sign to register, provides with your name and address and your comment. [1:20:31, 1:20:31]: Okay. [1:20:32, 1:20:42]: Oh, y you got my name and address. No, you still have to provide it. Your name and address Jerome Mitchell. Pardon me? Jerome Mitchell. You get to the mic. [1:20:42, 1:21:02]: Jerome Mitchell 181 Davis Road Stock Ridge. Okay. So the 25 feet driveway with one that's that's one unit. So basically two cars. I got three cars and I live by myself. So how does it work? [1:21:02, 1:21:19]: work when you got more than two cars and a driveway with one family. So does it park on the street, which is I know you gotta permit. Uh uh uh you prohibit uh cars parking on the street here, so do they get special permission to park on the street there? [1:21:20, 1:21:40]: If that's the case, which it probably will be, uh how does that work? Let me you want me to answer that? Yeah, go ahead answer. Uh it depends uh if if we were to approve this, then all this questioning would come into play. But since it's you don't have [1:21:39, 1:21:46]: So that's a that's a different segment where you can get all those questions answered. [1:21:46, 1:22:00]: Well this is this is the variance that you're looking at that's for the twenty five versus fifty feet. Right, but what I'm saying is if it would have been approved, then all these questions would have been asked. Okay. Well the questions are uh [1:22:01, 1:22:05]: So right now i it it's [1:22:06, 1:22:26]: We're in a different way. Until you approve it, I gotcha. Okay, so I'm saying, yeah, it's a bit much. I'm gonna say no. But you also need to look at the city ordinance because the city has some requirements. Uh they did have a new ordinance uh established uh that would also give you some insight on on things, uh parking on the street, things of that nature. [1:22:26, 1:22:26]: Yeah. [1:22:27, 1:22:47]: So if that was the case, so some of the old ordinance would go away? Yes. Yeah, that's that's that's correct. But there is a new ordinance that has been approved by the city. I would recommend that you take a look at it. Okay. Well I know I haven't. Well, my opinion I do oppose for the record. All right, you oppose it? [1:22:47, 1:22:50]: All right, we gotcha. [1:22:52, 1:22:53]: Any further comments? [1:22:55, 1:22:56]: Sure. [1:23:00, 1:23:15]: I would like keep forgetting your mic is on this side. I would like to respond to Mr. Mitchell's questions since this will still move to a public hearing. Uh Mr. Mitchell uh and commissioners, it is a twenty five foot front yard setback. [1:23:15, 1:23:16]: The driveway. [1:23:17, 1:23:26]: These are two car two garage units. So there will be two spaces in your garage as well for you to park. Additionally, our site plan [1:23:26, 1:23:34]: has sixty eight guest parking spaces that are dispersed throughout the community for people to be able to park. [1:23:34, 1:23:54]: Um and thus throughout again because we didn't want to just put spaces at the front or spaces at the rear and have people having to walk a long distance. As uh Mr. Thibodeau did mention, there are city ordinances regarding parking on the streets and these will be public streets and as well as the HOA governing. [1:23:54, 1:23:57]: documents would also address parking on the streets. [1:23:58, 1:23:59]: Okay, thank you. [1:24:03, 1:24:05]: That closes the the uh public comment. [1:24:07, 1:24:08]: May I have a motion? [1:24:13, 1:24:17]: Variance case number two oh two three dash two. [1:24:22, 1:24:33]: Nobody else wanna be the heavy? Well you be the heavy. Dr. Hamlin. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that we deny the variance on this property in question. [1:24:34, 1:24:35]: Do I have a second? [1:24:36, 1:24:38]: This arrow. I'll second it. [1:24:39, 1:24:45]: It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? Opposed. [1:24:46, 1:24:50]: Mr Chair, let it let let the retro let the record reflect that I abstain. [1:24:52, 1:24:53]: We have [1:24:55, 1:24:59]: One present, one of stain. [1:25:00, 1:25:11]: And uh and I I have one question about abstaining actually about Well, uh Okay. Uh [1:25:12, 1:25:14]: And I vote to deny so [1:25:15, 1:25:25]: Uh the motion carries. The uh amendment is denied, the the variance is denied. Okay? All right. [1:25:27, 1:25:32]: Uh Edgar moves us to item twelve on the agenda. [1:25:39, 1:25:42]: Item twelve to be presented by the community development staff. [1:25:46, 1:25:48]: Pardon me. No no reports from staff. [1:25:49, 1:25:52]: Okay. Well I still have to acknowledge it. [1:25:53, 1:25:56]: No comments from the staff community staff development. [1:25:57, 1:25:58]: No reports or comments. [1:26:00, 1:26:01]: Any board comments? [1:26:05, 1:26:08]: Motion to adjourn. Do I have one of those? [1:26:08, 1:26:10]: Motion to adjourn, Mr. Chair. [1:26:11, 1:26:12]: That Mr [1:26:13, 1:26:20]: Williams, that's Mr. Williams. Mr Williams. Mr Williams moved to adjourn. And then Harold will second it. [1:26:20, 1:26:30]: It's been moved and second. All those in favor, let it be known by the sign of aye. Aye. Those opposed, the ayes have it. The Planning Commission is adjourned to the next schedule meeting. [1:26:31, 1:26:45]: Wanna thank the public for coming out. Uh we hope that we act on your behalf in your best interest and uh always feel free to come out. Thank you. The meeting is adjourned. [1:26:54, 1:26:55]: For a waste of paper.

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2023-08-14 source: 2023-08-14_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:00:40, 0:00:43]: Testing, there we go. All right. [0:00:46, 0:00:51]: Sorry, UX on this side. Okay. We wanna make sure we got the crest there. [0:00:52, 0:01:05]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to get started with uh a ceremonial part of our meeting tonight. We have a couple swearing ends to do in recognition of uh twenty years service, another individual employee when uh she arrives. [0:01:05, 0:01:12]: So we'll start with the oath of office for the planning commission. I have before me Mr. Jalen uh Jaden Williams. [0:01:12, 0:01:13]: So [0:01:13, 0:01:14]: Raise your right hand. [0:01:14, 0:01:34]: And repeat after me. I'll try to go slowly on this. I and state your name. I Jaden Williams. Do solemnly swear or affirm. Do solemnly swear and affirm. That I will faithfully perform. That I will faithfully perform. The duties as a member. The duties as a member of the City of Stark Bridge Planning Commission. The City of Stark Bridge Planning Commission. And that I will to the best of my ability to the best of my ability. Support [0:01:34, 0:01:54]: And defend support and defend the charter thereof as well as the constitution as well as the constitution and the laws of the state of Georgia and the laws of the state of Georgia and the United States of America and the United States of America. I further affirm that. I further affirm that. Upon assumption of this office, upon assumption of this office, I do not hold any unaccounted for public money. [0:01:54, 0:02:14]: Any unaccounted for public money do unpayable to the state, do or payable to the state, any political subdivision of the state, any political subdivision, the city of Stockbridge, or any authority thereof, or any authority thereof, nor do I hold any other office of trust of trust of the government of the United States, of the government of the United States, of this state, of this state, or [0:02:14, 0:02:34]: Or any foreign state or any foreign state as prescribed by the law as prescribed by the law of the state of Georgia of the state of Georgia. I will perform the duties of my office in the best interest of the city of Stockbridge. In the best interest of the city of Stockbridge, and to the best of my ability, without fear, without fear, favor, favor, affection, affection, reward, reward or excess. [0:02:34, 0:02:40]: Expectation thereof or expectation thereof. This is the fourteenth day of August, year of our Lord twenty twenty three. [0:02:42, 0:03:02]: This is the fourteenth day of August in the year of twenty twenty three. In the year of twenty twenty three. Congratulations. Thank you. Okay, so we'll work on that too. Okay, so what it is you and I need to sign a document here? [0:03:02, 0:03:03]: Mm. [0:03:05, 0:03:07]: And here. [0:03:10, 0:03:14]: Thank you, sir. You sign there and there. Okay. [0:03:22, 0:03:42]: Now, always give an opportunity for people being sworn in any kind of comments or words or wisdom, anything you'd like to say to the audience. We are being recorded by way, so you just know that as well. Stream it on Facebook. Stream it on Facebook. There you go. Okay, well, um, I'm excited to be a member of the City of Stockbridge Planning Commission. Uh I think I was told one of the [0:03:42, 0:04:02]: youngest in the city's history. So I'm excited to show how our next generation is able to perform and do the duties of our city. I'm excited to be on the committee so that we can start to build our great city and what the mayor and council loves to call the renaissance of the city of Stockbridge. Thank you very much. Congratulations [0:04:02, 0:04:11]: Oh sorry, scoo, scoo, scoo, I thought you were me. So we're gonna we're gonna take a picture. We're gonna take a picture. [0:04:12, 0:04:18]: Okay. [0:04:28, 0:04:30]: I do like very much. [0:04:30, 0:04:33]: Ms. Washington? Youngest in the history, yeah. [0:04:34, 0:04:34]: Yeah. [0:04:35, 0:04:38]: Okay. [0:04:39, 0:04:45]: Mr. Washington is you said that was um seven five forty five, I guess it is. [0:04:45, 0:04:46]: Okay. [0:04:47, 0:05:07]: So we'll uh wait for Miss Washington to come and then Melinda is scheduled to be here as well. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, how are you doing? So was that one of the uh record photographs? Yes, the actor takes the man. [0:05:07, 0:05:15]: And they always come from asked, can they find how it is appropriate to make strategic? [0:05:25, 0:05:29]: Yeah, just watch. [0:24:50, 0:24:54]: Hey Council, could you come back to Dice please so we can get started? Council, come back to guy dies, please. [0:24:56, 0:24:56]: Mm. [0:25:41, 0:26:01]: Yeah, it's generally am I making a comment? Yeah, well well, if if you want I mean no normally normally someone to do that make those comments because with well if you miss make it intercepted, we can make comments later on and we have conversation. We're gonna have a conversation but among many. Yeah, but I haven't talked about trying to comp [0:26:01, 0:26:14]: If but well if you just have one piece of food we'll just go ahead and we'll be all right. Okay. Well I'll do it. I'll do it if I think we're teaching a second, so [0:26:15, 0:26:20]: I just make comments. Where is she? Is she here? She's a mind that means [0:26:20, 0:26:22]: [1587.5, 1589.9]: Council members, I need you on the dials, please, so we can get started. [0:26:53, 0:26:54]: Madam Clerk, are you set? [0:26:55, 0:26:56]: Okay, thank you. [0:27:04, 0:27:21]: Uh all right ladies and gentlemen, I have six oh two. This is the city council meeting for Monday, August fourteenth. I'd like to call to order. Um if you could please stand for the invocation, Ms. Jasmine uh Reese. If you can come forward please. All all the way up front, up here on the mic. [0:27:27, 0:27:33]: On other other side of the podium and it should be it should be a green light on, indicating it's on on the mic there, okay? [0:27:35, 0:27:36]: Yeah, turning around to towards you? [0:27:36, 0:27:39]: [1659.8, 1662.6]: It's green light? Green light on? It's on. Okay, there go ahead. [0:27:43, 0:27:43]: You should be good. [0:27:50, 0:28:08]: Lord of the universe, you have given most of us mankind a strong desire to be good, to be honest to serve others, and to faithfully fulfill your obligations to our neighbors. Help us as exchanges and humans to do good. Help us as humans to be honest and ethical in all of our dealings. [0:28:08, 0:28:15]: Help us as humans to serve others. Thank you for bringing us here this evening. Thank you for the mayor. Thank you for [0:28:18, 0:28:20]: And um the [0:28:25, 0:28:39]: Amen. Do we pledge allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:28:40, 0:28:42]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:28:46, 0:28:51]: Mayor Ford? Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. [0:28:52, 0:28:54]: President. Councilman Blount. [0:28:55, 0:28:58]: Present. Councilwoman Gantt. Present. [0:28:59, 0:29:01]: Mayor did I call May Peril Tim Barber? [0:29:02, 0:29:17]: Yes yes you called on Councilman Thomas. Present Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. Thank you, Madam Clerk. I appreciate that. Um for the adoption of the agenda, we have a couple several different uh amendments. And this first I'd like to go to Mr. Blount for your amendment to the agenda, please sir. [0:29:17, 0:29:27]: Yeah, mayor, I'd like to uh amend the agenda to include uh wherever we place the item to uh [0:29:29, 0:29:30]: include to make uh [0:29:33, 0:29:34]: T and the alone. [0:29:35, 0:29:36]: This would not. [0:29:36, 0:29:39]: The red world would just be under passage. [0:29:39, 0:29:43]: All right, so second amount. Second. Okay, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:29:44, 0:29:55]: Okay, Mr Thomas? Okay, so now it's decision. And what we'll do, sir, we'll put that near the end of the g we'll make that on the end of the agenda for that discussion further. And so to comment uh [0:29:55, 0:29:57]: Say a number uh [0:29:58, 0:30:01]: Say number ten. Okay, make it a number ten. [0:30:01, 0:30:05]: Alright, for this evening and see here. [0:30:07, 0:30:09]: And on that note, um [0:30:10, 0:30:13]: Mayor Pro Tem, you also have an amendment to make at this time. [0:30:13, 0:30:17]: Yes, sir. I'd like to request to amend the agenda. [0:30:17, 0:30:20]: To add an item at the end of the agenda for the memo. [0:30:20, 0:30:23]: provided by legal regarding the homestead exemptions. [0:30:24, 0:30:26]: including s septic systems. [0:30:27, 0:30:29]: So that it can be read into the official minutes. [0:30:30, 0:30:32]: So second to that amend uh to that amendment. [0:30:35, 0:30:36]: Is there a second to that amendment? [0:30:36, 0:30:37]: That's it. [0:30:37, 0:30:40]: Okay, m uh okay, Mr. Thomas is empty that. [0:30:40, 0:30:41]: All in flavors please indicate. [0:30:43, 0:30:58]: Comp okay it's announcing season. All right, so we'll put that uh right behind uh the discussion about the uh past suspense uh drive there. Okay, so that'll be number eleven. Uh one second please. [0:31:00, 0:31:20]: And the other uh change, potential change, actually deals with the item that's already on the agenda, which is number nine. It deals with the citizens police uh advisory council is actually scheduled to be later on in the meeting. It's been requested that we move that up further in the meeting uh because there are several individuals are here and this is part of [0:31:20, 0:31:27]: So if I can get a motion to um re uh to move that item up. [0:31:27, 0:31:33]: And we'll place it actually, we can we'll do it right now, provided you all um approved this. [0:31:33, 0:31:37]: Uh w well we'll do it right after ceremonial review. [0:31:37, 0:31:43]: Um so we'll do I can I get a slow move? No move. Okay, is there a second? I second. Ms. Gantt second all favor, please indicate. [0:31:43, 0:31:45]: Now she says, Okay, so we'll move that up. [0:31:46, 0:31:46]: Had it. [0:31:47, 0:31:52]: Num it's that's number nine, but it'll move up right after the ceremony of view, which is a few minutes. We'll do that. [0:31:52, 0:31:55]: with the chief in the individuals here, okay? [0:31:55, 0:32:05]: All righty. All right. On that note then now I need a motion to adopt the entire agenda. So moved. Mr. Alexander. Ms. Barber second that on fair please indicate. [0:32:05, 0:32:06]: I fantastic. [0:32:06, 0:32:07]: All right. [0:32:07, 0:32:09]: Madam Clerk, you got all that, right, ma'am? [0:32:09, 0:32:29]: Okay, good deal. For the ceremonial review, what we had earlier today, ladies and gentlemen, had a couple swearing ins. Um we we swore in, I was able to swear in Jalen Williams to our planning commission. I believe Jalen is still in the he's still in the audience there. He's here. So uh in this aspect, so a newest member and probably young, I'll say the youngest member to the planning commission. And also Mr. Warren Watts. [0:32:29, 0:32:43]: Washington was sworn into the downtown development authority and he went back to his business. He he has uh frozen smokes in the downtown area, so he's now on the downtown development authority. So I appreciate those gentlemen coming forward and and serving on our boards. [0:32:43, 0:32:57]: And uh on that note we'll move on to now we finished the ceremony review, so we'll move on to uh Chief Tramor. Your request, sir, council consideration appoint board members to the city of Starbury's Police Department, Citizens Police Advisory Council. [0:32:58, 0:33:03]: Chief, you want to come forward please and present this? Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. Uh you skipped over the adoption of the [0:33:04, 0:33:10]: I th I thought we did that. We did I thought I did a adoption of the minutes. Oh adoption of minutes, not the agenda. Thank you. [0:33:11, 0:33:14]: That that is why you're the clerk. Absolutely. [0:33:14, 0:33:27]: All right. Excuse me, council adoption of minutes. So which yeah, which is the uh council meeting of june twelfth and the council war session session june twentieth. So move. I second. Okay there. All in favor, please indicate. There we go. Now, thank you very much. [0:33:27, 0:33:32]: And the public comments as well, I suppose. I was jumping the gun. I was trying to get to you, Chief, real quick. [0:33:33, 0:33:37]: Uh pup do we have any public comments? There are no public comments. Okay, all right, all right. Now Chief Trammer. [0:33:37, 0:33:41]: I'm trying to help you out, trying to get you real quick there. Jump the gun. Please, sir. [0:33:47, 0:33:48]: Anyway, right now so. [0:33:48, 0:33:50]: Mor immediate uh evening to you. [0:33:55, 0:33:56]: Citizens advisory council. [0:33:57, 0:34:00]: A group of members of this community number one core. [0:34:04, 0:34:15]: public safety priorities of the city of Stockbridge and how can we all work together to ensure that the city of Stockbridge remains a safe place to live, work and play. [0:34:19, 0:34:20]: Yeah. [0:34:25, 0:34:45]: Um our community. As you are familiar, the initial policy that was approved was a 12 member panel for the police advisory council for selection of the members. The mayor had an appointment, each council member had an appointment, and then there [0:34:45, 0:35:05]: There were six additional appointments, four from uh the police zones, each of the four police zones, and then a representative from the business community as well as a representative from the faith-based community. And while we've had some, I'm not gonna say challenges, but you know, there's not all board positions have been filled across the city. [0:35:05, 0:35:25]: I am super proud and excited to announce that we have filled all 12 positions of our Citizen Police Advisory Council. And we look forward to assembling this group together after the appointment this evening for our first meeting on September 7th. And so this has been a long time in the making, and we're very proud to. [0:35:25, 0:35:45]: uh move this goal. As I've said before, policing is not what we do to our community, it's what we do with our community. And I'm just so thankful for those that have stepped forward and volunteered to be part of our inaugural citizens police advisory council. At this moment, if uh I could have the members of the council um stand to be recognized or those that are [0:35:45, 0:36:05]: Considered to be appointed this evening. We have Dr. Lovelle Sanders, who is the mayor's appointment. Thank you, Pastor Sanders, for being here. We have Miss Carmen Reese, who is the District 1 appointment. Councilwoman Yen. Ms. Reese, thank you for being here this evening. [0:36:04, 0:36:24]: District 2 appointment, Dr. Thomas Smith, who's here with us this evening. Thank you, Dr. Smith. Mr. William Daniels. Is Mr. William Daniels here this evening? I don't think Mr. Daniels was able to be here with us, but that is Councilman Blount's appointment. We have Mr. Stephen Moon, who is the appointment for District 4. [0:36:24, 0:36:44]: Mayor Pro Tem Yalanda Barber. Mr. Moon, thank you for being here, sir. And then we have Mr. Raymond Martin, who is the appointment for District 5, Councilman Alexander. The police appointments are zone one appointee is Ms. Neek Robinson, who's not able to be here with us this evening. [0:36:44, 0:37:04]: Because she is attending the commission meeting. We have Mr. Nathan Banks, who is here with us this evening, will be the representative from Zone 2. Miss Angela White. She will be a representative from Zone 3. [0:37:04, 0:37:24]: Deanna Williams is with us this evening. She will be the representative of Stone 4. Mr. Sylvain, I don't see Mr. Sylvain this evening. He would be the representative for the business community. And then last but not least, we have Pastor Trey Brenson, who is the pastor of Eagles Landing Baptist Church, and he's not able to be here this evening because of [0:37:24, 0:37:25]: Okay. [0:37:28, 0:37:38]: Uh Chief, you omitted to state that uh Mr. Smith is a representative of Council District Two by Councilman Alfonso Thomas. [0:37:38, 0:37:39]: Yes, thank you. [0:37:40, 0:38:00]: Clarifying that for me. So uh Dr. Smith has an appointment for Council District Two. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Um Council, I'm not sure what all uh you want to hear. If you would like to hear about some of these individuals and their uh commitment, you would like for them to speak, that's entirely up to you, or if you simply want to take a vote to uh appoint these members. [0:38:00, 0:38:04]: uh so that we can move this process forward uh whatever the council desires. [0:38:04, 0:38:24]: Well thanks, Chief. I appreciate the thank uh these individuals for uh actually coming forward and and being part of this process. And obviously, each one of us had an opportunity to select individuals which you just announced. And typically what happens uh when we um well appointments are slightly different than swearing in in this aspect as well, but I would imagine that uh what we can make [0:38:24, 0:38:44]: a motion to approve the entire slate and then uh and actually I was saying I believe the council will probably be approved of this. If anybody wanted to speak, I'll I'll allow them to speak, provided the council says okay, that'd be fine. I would imagine it'd be fine to do that if they wanted to say anything at all in reference to uh taking on this new challenge, I guess you may say. [0:38:44, 0:38:56]: Okay, so first of all, I need a motion to adopt the entire slate. Is it it's moved? Okay, Miss Ganttz, is there a second? Miss I have saw Miss Barber's hand. Okay. All in favor please indicate. [0:38:56, 0:39:16]: Okay, unanimous decision. Now, Chief, on that note, uh individuals, I mean normally when we have like a public hearing, they line up and they come one at a time and they get roughly three minutes. So anybody can come forward, just line on up and join the chief. And if you Sir, I'd like to say a couple of words if that'd be okay. Yeah, you uh can we get that then go first? All right, so any anybody else? [0:39:16, 0:39:23]: And and and anybody, I mean if you it's up to you. You're more than welcome to come forward to the mic and uh and have if you have any comments. [0:39:25, 0:39:30]: All right. [0:39:45, 0:40:05]: Warhouse College, the Emman Seminary, and also has his doctorate in Ministry from Reforming Seminary. And he's been extremely involved in various different initiatives throughout the community, to include an active member of our police or the mayor's clergy roundtable council. So we're very happy to have you. [0:40:05, 0:40:20]: Pastor Sanders to be a representative. Secondly, we have Miss Carmen Reese, who's a 30-year resident of the city of Stockbridge. She brings with her also 27 years of former service in the federal government, federal law enforcement is the United States. [0:40:22, 0:40:42]: As an agent there. She attends Tabernacle Praise Church. She's a member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority and is a lifetime member of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives. We're so thankful to have humanistries serve as a member of our board this evening. We of course have Mr. Dr. Thomas Smith, who is again, I'll re-emphasize the district two. [0:40:42, 0:41:02]: appointment and uh Dr. Thomas Smith has been a resident of the city of Stockbridge for a number of years. He's an educator and currently teaches at the Cap County Schools. He's actively involved in various different initiatives. He served eight years in the state of Georgia for the Martin Luther King Junior Advisory Council. [0:41:02, 0:41:15]: With Senator Emmanuel Jones. He's a captain for the Stockbridge Community Emergency Response Team, a member of the Stone Mountain Rotary Club, and a founder of the Kentucky Colonels of Atlanta. I could read through. [0:41:16, 0:41:17]: Yeah, you no. [0:41:22, 0:41:23]: See. [0:41:29, 0:41:29]: Yeah. [0:41:30, 0:41:39]: Uh we have Mr. Uh Daniels who've been a resident of the city of Stockbridge for uh twenty-five years and um uh he um [0:41:40, 0:41:47]: Councilman Blount, uh he he worked where where where did Mr. Daniels work in? Uh was he in federal law enforcement or he [0:41:49, 0:41:50]: Big one's battle. [0:41:50, 0:42:10]: I believe because we had a conversation and um the uh bios I got for him was somewhat limited, but I'm pretty certain that he has a background in federal law enforcement uh as well. Uh we have Mr. Stephen Moon, who is a 55-year resident of the city of Stockbridge. Um he has uh worked 44 years for the Federal Reserve Bank and he previously [0:42:10, 0:42:30]: Served as a city councilman for the city of Stockbridge as Mayor Pro Tem from 2006 to 2010 under Mayor Ruby Kelly. He served 17 years as a member of President Tola Mountain Georgia State Parks Friends Group, President Fiedmont Henry Hospital Auxiliary Volunteers, and was a graduate of Stockbridge. [0:42:30, 0:42:50]: Citizens Police Academy class in two. Mr. Raymond Martin, he uh comes to Hunters by way of Pasadena, California. Uh he's an active member in his community. Um served our country honorably in the United States Air Force for eight years and had 28 years civil service in the Department of Air Force. [0:42:50, 0:43:10]: Um he was involved in a number of different things. I know that he's uh active member. Um, he's currently serving as a HOA member of uh his uh neighborhood community homeowners association for the past seven and a half years, and the last two and a half years he served as president um of that. Of course, Ms. Neek Robinson. I know many of you are familiar with her, she's currently serving as [0:43:10, 0:43:15]: uh the interim commission for um uh henry county [0:43:15, 0:43:35]: of Commission and previously served with Stockwood City Council. We have Mr. Nathan Banks here with us. Mr. Nathan Banks uh previously served with um uh with he had a distinguished 25 years of service with the uh military uh where he retires the rank of colonel currently serves as a public information officer for the alcohol factor [0:43:35, 0:43:55]: He actively supports local youth programs and initiatives fostering community relationships. His exceptional communication skills and extensive knowledge make him a valuable disseminator of crucial public information to the ATF. And his love for the city of Stockbridge fuels his community involvement and his dedication to make it. [0:43:54, 0:44:14]: Ms. Angela White, who's not able to be here with us this evening, is a business owner here in the city of Stockbridge. Um she owns uh JW uh Event Suites, uh, who's done a number of events here for the city. She's a member of our inaugural citizens police academy class, and we're thankful to have her uh serve as a board member. [0:44:14, 0:44:15]: Yeah. [0:44:16, 0:44:36]: We have Miss Deanna Williams here, who's a resident of Stockbridge. She's an active member of the Stockbridge Youth Advisory Council where she shared recruitment efforts from 2023 to 2024. Her commitment extends to her role as youth director at Legacy Leadership Empowerment Center, led by Pastor Apostle Valerie Virgin, and she has also a [0:44:36, 0:44:56]: Profound dedication to growth and transformation of our community. May you be familiar with Mr. Reginald Sylvain. He's been a business owner here in the city for the last 25 years. He's the owner of Sylvain Funeral Homes as well as other businesses here at the Stockbridge community. He's actively involved in the downtown development property ownership, which also underscores his. [0:44:56, 0:45:00]: development's commitment to our city. And last is Pastor Trey Bredson. [0:45:00, 0:45:02]: as I mentioned before serves a lead pass. [0:45:13, 0:45:13]: [2726.0, 2746.0]: Thank you for that call of service in your community. I know you do a great job in this aspect as well. So thank you for that. Mr. Alexander, your comment, sir. Yes, sir. I I just want to just echo all the sentiments that the chief had given and understand that, you know, I said often that we formed a post social justice [0:45:45, 0:46:05]: This 21st century police department, where it's hand in hand what we do with the community. Love what the chief says. You know, policing is what we do with the community, not to the community. And each and every one of you represent that. From Mr. Martin, I certainly thank you for stepping forward. [0:46:05, 0:46:25]: the district five uh representative. I uh the you were the first person that I thought of when this position came available because I know of your service level and your your passion for community service and to just thank all of you for doing what you do because not only you know this to me this is one of the most important [0:46:25, 0:46:45]: uh boards that we could ever establish in the city to understand that policing is uh is a is a is a community. We gotta do it all together. We just can't turn it over to the police officers, say something, see something in everything that we do. And we will be counting on you all uh to be our eyes and ears [0:46:45, 0:47:05]: Out there, as each and every one of us would do, out there in the community, because that's what makes a keeps a community safe. You know, we used to call them nosy neighbors, right? But it's not nosy neighbors. It's caring, uh passionate people who love their community, and which I'm sure each and every one of you all do. So thank you. [0:47:05, 0:47:17]: Thank you so much for stepping forward to serve in the community. We'd be counting on you all as a total group with everybody in this citizen, with every eye on those streets to keep us all safe. So thank you all so much. [0:47:18, 0:47:22]: Okay. Ms. Thomas, go ahead, please, sir. Thank you, Mira. Um [0:47:22, 0:47:42]: I just wanted to briefly take this opportunity to commend these citizens for uh coming forward and partnering with the city of Stark Bridge to understand the vision of this municipality and to come in as a team. And we're all moving forward to make Stark. [0:47:42, 0:48:02]: Bridge a better place to live. Not only this particular board, but all of our volunteers for joining this municipality and joining us here as a council to move this city forward. And I just thank all of you, and I I see uh Mrs. Jones is here and [0:48:02, 0:48:22]: Mr. Williams and you know, these are a lot of citizens that always coming forward to to participate in some form or fashion, always volunteer for all of our initiatives and being on boards, because they understand and they believe in what we're trying to do. And Chief and I just want to thank you for for supporting. [0:48:22, 0:48:42]: facilitating this particular uh body of citizens, but we're all in this together and we're moving this city forward. And I just want to thank all of you for stepping up and being a part of this great city and to help this council because we could not do it without you all. And I just want to say thank to all of you. Thank you, Mayor. [0:48:42, 0:48:43]: Any other comments from the council? [0:48:44, 0:49:04]: Okay. Well congratulations once again, Dr. Dr. Sanders. Thank you, my man, for appreciating and coming on out and being my representative there and everybody else for thank you for serving. And obviously this is you're a great asset to our community. So we look for great things as you continue to partner with uh not only the police department but also with us in this aspect as well. [0:49:04, 0:49:08]: Unless you got anything else achieved, that'll be it. We'll move on. Okay. Yes, sir. [0:49:08, 0:49:10]: Can we get a photo with the group? [0:49:11, 0:49:25]: Oh okay, I guess that's a good request, uh to take a photo with the entire group. Uh Shayna Thorn is still here. Shana, we're gonna we're gonna come on down. Council, come on down, we'll take a photo with it. Everybody right down front. Good request. Just do that real quick. [0:49:35, 0:49:38]: Well, I'm gonna win because Kane will come there. [0:49:43, 0:50:03]: So with uh there was uh market have a couple different lines, composed of that circuit, no problem, right? No problem. Our attorney has a special special relationship with me. [0:50:03, 0:50:07]: It's not talking to it. [0:50:11, 0:50:14]: Some short code. [0:50:25, 0:50:28]: Yeah, that's all right. [0:50:28, 0:50:33]: Okay. [0:50:42, 0:50:47]: Congratulations. [0:50:51, 0:50:56]: [3056.6, 3060.0]: Like you're gonna say that. [0:51:36, 0:51:56]: Alright, obviously, ladies and gentlemen, you can stay as long as you like. This is a public meeting. So we'll continue on. And what is next as the council gets back, make its way back to the dais? What's next is a presentation: stop bridge, downtown bike, and pedestrian study. So obviously, this evening uh we're going to have our initial presentation review of this. [0:51:56, 0:52:16]: This and um so this is the Stockbridge Downtown Bike and Pedestrian Study, which has been prepared by Keck and Wood in consultation with the City of Stockbridge Community Development Program. The study is part of the uh Atlanta Regional Commission Livable Centers Initiative, the LCI program. Its purpose is to define and propose. [0:52:16, 0:52:36]: Proposed project which would improve pedestrian and bike infrastructure throughout the downtown Stockbridge. The boundaries of the study area are listed below. The public may review the proposed boundaries, ask questions, and provide comments on existing conditions and proposed improvements. Written statements may be emailed to Robert Renric. [0:52:36, 0:52:56]: Of Keck and Wood and R Renric. That's R R E N W I C K at Keck and Wood K-E-C-K-W-O-O-D.com. And it deals with the US 23 from East Atlanta Road to Burke Street, Burke Street from US 23 to Davis Road, Love Street from Burke Street to East Atlanta Road. [0:52:56, 0:53:09]: Jim Clark Drive from MLK Senior Heritage Trail to Burke Street and Lovejoy Street from Burke Street to MLK Senior Heritage Trail. Please. And uh presentation, please. Thank you, Mr. Anderson. [0:53:12, 0:53:13]: Evening to you. [0:53:20, 0:53:35]: We began the summer um around 8 working on this plan. Uh we've had we've had a series of meetings throughout the throughout the community. We had like four public meetings. We had an online survey, uh got a lot of info [0:53:55, 0:53:58]: Yeah, thank you, Ryan. [0:53:59, 0:54:00]: Welcome, sir. [0:54:06, 0:54:07]: Is that [0:54:12, 0:54:15]: All right. Yeah, so that's right. My name is Margaret. [0:54:20, 0:54:40]: I appreciate the opportunity to share the recommendations that came out of this study and do some introduction off. So a little bit of an overview on the program. This study was funded through the Atlanta Regional Commission. [0:54:40, 0:55:00]: Project came out of their Millsville Communities Initiative Program. This is a federal transportation funding program that will fund both planning studies and implementation projects that are identified as priorities in these lightning studies. They will fund these projects in the form of engineering design, right away. [0:54:59, 0:55:19]: Acquisition and construction project. Um, so a little bit of background on this LCI area. The uh North Henry Boulevard area was first established as an LCI study area way back in 2001. Um that's when the initial uh LCI study was completed. This specific project was identified and there's [0:55:19, 0:55:39]: A 10-year update to that study back in 2012. And then this scoping study is really the first step to implement a priority project from that initial LCI study. So as I stated, the purpose of the study is really to identify what improvements the city wants to make on these roads, what are the project limits, what [0:55:39, 0:55:44]: What are the costs? Is it instructible? Is it feasible? And does it have public communication? [0:55:51, 0:56:11]: Probably a little bit difficult to see the scale, but I'll zoom in on some upcoming slides here. But the project area is uh just toward the west across East Atlantic Road and multiple submola tracks along uh Burke Street, Love Joy Street, Love Street, and North Henry Boulevard. [0:56:11, 0:56:12]: Um [0:56:13, 0:56:33]: So we first kind of wanted to share our process on how we came to follow the recommendations. Um we started with other cities had numerous plan studies for mining pedestrian and transportation structure over the years. We started with those uh those existing studies and then built from there. And then uh the community development department [0:56:33, 0:56:50]: a steering committee with members representing economic development, mainstream program, public works, planning commission, and others to help you know steer the discussions on this uh private area. Um and then as Ryan noted we had a public meeting last year. [0:56:53, 0:56:55]: Alright, so jumping into [0:56:55, 0:57:15]: Proposed improvements along each of the streets that are in the study area. So starting at Burt Street, this is kind of the main corridor of the study area. And then we studied from North Hillary Dilvar to the south up to Park Community Park to the north. Bicycle accommodation is recommending a [0:57:15, 0:57:35]: Shared use or path of both pedestrians and bicycles along the west side of the road. And then on the east side of the road, um, we propose pedestrian streetscape enhancements with on-street parking, pedestrian lighting, street trees, landscapes, and such like that. Um we're also proposing improved. [0:57:34, 0:57:40]: That's when crossings and mid-watch crossing first route just south of the session fucking. [0:57:42, 0:57:55]: And then just kind of give you a visual of what those greens can look like. So that is um south and the work street looking for north that shares you have on the left side and the street. [0:57:55, 0:57:57]: Mm-hmm. [0:58:01, 0:58:21]: Alright, and then moving on to Mudboa Street. Um so this being a little bit of a lower particular traffic on the road, we are proposing shared use, particularly bicycle travelers. Um and then parallel parking on the west side of the road, and then um pedestrians streetscaping. [0:58:21, 0:58:33]: accommodations on the also on the west side, have continuing vision of improvements in construction approximately ten years ago just to the south on Martin Luther Keynes Senior Hill. [0:58:36, 0:58:45]: And once again you've got um interview. That would be um guess if you're standing at the intersection of the mud street. [0:58:49, 0:59:02]: All right, and then moving on to Love Street. Um so we heard from the project team steering committee that pedestrian connectivity on this side at east of the railroad and north of Oak Silver Railroad tracks. [0:59:03, 0:59:23]: All of the amphitheater across uh two downtown areas in the priority in this area. Um, so what we've got proposed here is going to be wide sidewalks, um, and then crossing the south of Eastern Land Road is going to be a proof of piece here. What we've got proposed is a [0:59:23, 0:59:43]: signal that is a high intensity activated software. So this would be a pedestrian signal that's pedestrian activated. So when you've got events going on in the amphitheater is uh actuated then the uh particular length is stopped and allow say crossing of pedestrians across a piece of the memory. [0:59:43, 0:59:45]: Then after [0:59:53, 1:00:07]: Excuse me a second, let me ask you a question here. Am I to assume that this is like motion detected whereas as someone approaches it it it used to actuate? I mean, so as you approach it it it it goes through the process to let you across or something like that? Well would the would be uh [1:00:08, 1:00:16]: Okay, all right. But the difference here is [1:00:16, 1:00:20]: In this case the signal would be off completely when there's not test. [1:00:21, 1:00:23]: Okay. So cars will just be replaced right there. [1:00:23, 1:00:25]: Okay, thank you. [1:00:27, 1:00:37]: All right, and then we've also got a um protected ADA compliant crossing of over the subject. [1:00:40, 1:01:00]: And then the final area is you say something we talked about quite a bit here, um pedestrian bridge spanning Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail and local Southern Railroad Tracks as a separate structure parallel to the existing overpass. [1:01:00, 1:01:13]: Um we understand that a desire to be included by both the city and the public and the time state and cities look into various uh funding opportunities. [1:01:16, 1:01:17]: L CS. [1:01:24, 1:01:26]: Um [1:01:26, 1:01:41]: As I mentioned earlier, Coctor has already completed the initial LCI study and various updates over the years. So we're in what's called the project scoping phase, really the first effort to implement the project. [1:01:44, 1:01:45]: Purpose of the study is [1:01:55, 1:01:56]: for for the project. [1:01:56, 1:02:16]: Um and then every year the Library Regional Commission comes out with a solicitation for a call for projects. So in uh probably spring of twenty-four that solicitation will open and the city would have the opportunity to take the information from this uh scoping study and fill out a funding application. [1:02:16, 1:02:18]: Or um there in [1:02:20, 1:02:40]: Um the Atlanta Regional Commission generally funds one phase at a time. So they would initially fund preliminary engineering, and then once the plans are developed enough to identify the right-of-way acquisition needs, they'd apply for uh funding with the right-of-acquisition. And then once the [1:02:40, 1:03:00]: Projects ready for construction, so they can also apply for construction funding. Um, and this is federal transportation funding. Generally, it's gonna be an 80% federal portion, 20% cash. Um so you know, with anything federally funding related, there's gonna be requirements and red tapes goes along. [1:03:00, 1:03:19]: That so, um, to get to construction at this point generally is going to be a more than a seven-year process, is what they'll say. Um, so while it does take time to deliver these federally funded projects, um the 80-20 NAS can be a great way to leverage local funds to construct larger projects than you would unwanted. [1:03:21, 1:03:27]: Okay, good deal. Thank you. Questions, Council, you may ha anybody may have. Uh Miss Barber, go ahead please. [1:03:28, 1:03:36]: Yes. Um, okay. Those tree plantings that you showed in that diagram, can you go back to um [1:03:41, 1:03:46]: Yes. Um I know that we've uh had some discussions in regards to [1:03:47, 1:03:50]: м та плантин алам десавакс [1:03:50, 1:03:51]: I think it is [1:03:53, 1:03:57]: Well, it was the consensus of the council that we have them planted behind the sidewalks. [1:03:57, 1:03:59]: Because their concerns with [1:03:59, 1:04:01]: Trees and planting. [1:04:01, 1:04:02]: Um [1:04:02, 1:04:03]: In the sidewalks. [1:04:05, 1:04:06]: Due to the [1:04:06, 1:04:08]: growth of the roots that may buckle [1:04:09, 1:04:12]: Um so I know this is just a concept. [1:04:13, 1:04:33]: Yes, that that's right. Um yeah, the the street trees kind of between the curbing and sidewalks, they look great for a number of years, but then long term there are concerns with that. Um so yeah, th those kind of design t details aren't necessarily worked out at this level. Okay. Um so you know that's something we could look at to to re rearrange it to a play. [1:04:32, 1:04:50]: pull a lot of those street trees to the back of the sidewalk. Thank you. The other one is um you mentioned about the calls from ARC. Yeah. The annual calls that they hold for those the funding opportunities. Will Kekin Wood be representing the city or will a member of staff [1:04:51, 1:05:10]: So so the application needs to be submitted by city staff. Um but we can, you know, we've got this scoping study with all the information that will be needed, um, you know, the project limits, the proposed improvements, the you know, anticipated costs. So we would be able to help out city staff with with um [1:05:11, 1:05:14]: Thank you. [1:05:15, 1:05:17]: Yeah, Mr. Alzheimer's, do you have some questions? [1:05:17, 1:05:37]: Uh Miss Barber, I would just want to say that if you recall, we were sp um on the Zoom with Mr. Garner of um the Path Foundation that they had indicated that it was their preferred method to actually have the street trees on the street side. So there is a separation between [1:05:37, 1:05:57]: the bike rider or the uh pedestrian that nobody he did not he thought that they thought that it was best not to have the it butt right up against the street. And that was their recommendation from the Path Foundation. That's why it was decided to uh put these on this side of the road and that came directly uh from Path Foundation. [1:05:57, 1:06:15]: If you recall during our discussions uh with Mr. Garner, because it was a safety issue and then it made the person who was the pedestrian feel safer because there was some space between them uh then the automobile uh coming down the street. Now, Mr. Aaron, can you come to the podium? [1:06:18, 1:06:38]: Okay, before you come, I'm sorry, we have a ARC representative come to the podium as well. She's here now. She's been working so diligently toward um uh this project here. I'd like to hear some of your feedback on what you've seen and just if you could just kind of talk about that a little bit, your your involvement in the process uh [1:06:38, 1:06:56]: as well. So I've had a limited involvement in this particular project. Um I know we um Keganwood have has been the representative for ARC to um do all of the study work, which they've done a great job with it. Um these are the type of projects that ARC does love to see um and we and we do love to see these get implemented. They make [1:06:56, 1:07:16]: An enormous difference in downtowns, the safety and not only the safety, but the optics of your downtown. Uh so we we definitely support the the project and all the work that Kekken would done. So and and you know we can also um as far as when you were talking about the 80-20 split and the application, um if Stockbridge was [1:07:16, 1:07:31]: when you're going through the application process, you have any specific questions when you're doing the application, we're always happy to help out and give you any advice that we might have or or help out with our different staff members as far as their expertise. So keep us in mind when you're putting it together. [1:07:31, 1:07:39]: We certainly do. We think we n pr certainly need to introduce you to Ms. Russell and uh Mr. Aaron over here. Mr. Aaron, could you come up for the podium, please? [1:07:45, 1:08:01]: Mr. Aaron, I know you and uh Mr. Goodwin have been actively work working on a lot of our T splotch projects to move uh these trail projects along. Uh you've but been involved in this process along the way, um as they uh we kinda as we navigated this. [1:08:01, 1:08:21]: Yes. Okay. Cause um what we're doing, I think we we have a T splotch project for the pedestrian bridge that will fund eight hundred thousand dollars of that. Uh Congressman Scott had actually got if the budget is approved, and I think it has been uh uh at this point that they were gonna put an additional [1:08:21, 1:08:41]: Additional$200,000 in the federal budget for our uh for the pedestrian bridge uh as well to be able to bring that total up so that we could actually uh move that project along. In regards to TSW is working on the expanded plan. So I know we had talked about the [1:08:41, 1:08:53]: talked about um, you know, and and this stud this study was kinda limited to Burke Street and then uh Martin Luther King Senior Heritage, but extending that Love Street Trail, could you put that back up there again? [1:08:59, 1:09:19]: Right, extending the Love Street Trail across the railroad tracks so they could connect with the trails that were going down East Atlanta and into the amphitheater. Uh that was key uh to make sure that we had some connection points and the g we just wasn't terminating these at spots where there was no connectivity. [1:09:19, 1:09:39]: Uh I'm calling you on you miss Mr. Aaron to kind of be as a city representative and representing the city manager tonight to make sure that these tie-in spots and TSW is working with um with the Kekkenwood to make sure that we have connection points uh which the TSW project would work on to go to make sure. [1:09:39, 1:09:55]: sure that we do this. And along the way, I think um uh like we have on at East Atlanta and North Lee Street, we have the street print going on East Atlanta Road and then uh at Lee Street, correct? [1:09:56, 1:09:56]: Yes, we do. [1:09:57, 1:10:17]: Okay, it would certainly be uh I know we just have a regular crosswalk there. Certainly it would dress that up to put the street print uh right there where you have uh the love street crossing at. And I think the RSVP really kinda describes that that there would be a a street print there that will really kind of make that uh intersection. [1:10:17, 1:10:37]: And pop, and then maybe even another one there at Love and Burke Street. So as you're in downtown, you see distinctly see that those crosswalks really highlight. They just not regular crosswalks, they're crosswalks that have the street print uh along with them. Um I'd like for you to [1:10:37, 1:10:57]: Mr. Aaron, to go back to the city manager and let's see perhaps if it's okay with the council that we've had a million dollars sitting in the bank for the long term for us to be able to start with these trail projects and actually to move them forward. So in addition to just talking about these particular projects, [1:10:57, 1:11:11]: project, the council has actually made it a priority that we move forward with a lot of this. So there is some funding that is currently available. Certainly it's always good to have more and to be able to make it be the best that it can possibly can be. [1:11:12, 1:11:32]: But we certainly should be able to just not talk about some of these, but to go ahead and implement some of them to move these projects forward. And that's what I'd like for you to do, Mr. Aaron, to have those discussions with the city manager about uh using some of those funds to go ahead and implement some of these recommendations. I certainly would like to see under [1:11:32, 1:11:52]: what the rest of the council has to say, but we put a bullseye on downtown. And with this being completed and we actually have a plan, I just I don't I don't I don't like to just talk about the talk about it. I like to be about it and kind of move this thing forward. So uh as we grow downtown that it truly is walkable marriage. [1:11:51, 1:12:01]: and not just uh uh a concept that's on uh a plan. Thank you. Thank you. Uh comments on this end? Anybody? Ms. Tomsque, please. [1:12:02, 1:12:13]: Um I I originally had some questions about the pedestrian bridge and I heard the councilman mem uh mention something about um Scott. [1:12:14, 1:12:15]: Um [1:12:15, 1:12:17]: I I don't know how [1:12:18, 1:12:30]: uh confirmed that is. Uh m I know the city manager is not here. Um mister Aaron or mister Anderson [1:12:30, 1:12:36]: Wha what is your understanding of and I know it was mentioned here earlier that [1:12:36, 1:12:43]: the that it was a separate project. And and if we could go back to that that shot of the pedestrian bridge. [1:12:44, 1:12:47]: Mr. So what is your understanding um [1:12:47, 1:13:05]: of the funding and and I guess I want to ask too, um, is this walking path on both sides and and how wide is that? But but Mr. Aaron, what what is your understanding uh on the funding of this? And I know in the presentation it said that it was a separate [1:13:05, 1:13:25]: project and so what is the what is the understanding? Well in the T-SPLOST the city did allocate eight hundred thousand dollars for the pedestrian bridge and also we've been working with uh Ms. Kelly Russell uh identifying grant opportunities and we've got an application that we're working on for additional funding for the pedestrian bridge. [1:13:27, 1:13:40]: Okay. Um do you know the the width and and it is on both sides. I I'm going back to the RSVP uh uh vision plan and uh it is on both sides on one [1:13:40, 1:13:47]: No, the uh the vision for it is just on the north side. Okay. Okay. And and how how wide is that walking path? [1:13:48, 1:14:08]: Twelve feet wide. Okay. Okay. About two feet wide. Okay. So and I guess based on what Councilman Alexander just the information that he just shared and and what you just said, Mr. Aaron. So I I would assume that we would continue to get updates to make sure that we can realize this separate project. [1:14:08, 1:14:11]: from the uh regular project, is that correct? [1:14:12, 1:14:32]: Yes, sir, and there's also some funding. I think it was for some paths on Burt Street as well in the T-SPLOST. Yes. There's some funding amount for that and I think Love Street as well. So Okay. Thank you, Mayor. No problem, you're welcome. Any other comments? All right. [1:14:32, 1:14:52]: So that funding can be a great tool to implement some of the smaller improvements that are in this plan if you want to see you know things get implemented the next year or two. And then a lot of communities will will do that. And then for the larger pieces, they know they're gonna take longer to develop and to implement. [1:14:52, 1:15:12]: implement um but just use the federal funding for those. Absolutely. Okay. All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. You you have any other comments? You no okay, you good? All right. Thank you very much. These projects will be rolled into the community work program of the comp plan. So that will further um [1:15:12, 1:15:15]: Assist you when you're applying for those funds through ARC that it's in an adopted [1:15:16, 1:15:32]: All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you all. Unfinished business. Council consideration revise chapter ten point one two for the city's so code of ordinances governing p uh parking regulations. Parking ordinance revisions, Mr Excuse me, Chief Tramor, please. [1:15:39, 1:15:40]: Mm. [1:15:45, 1:15:48]: All right. Good evening again, Mayor and Council. Evening, sir. [1:15:51, 1:16:11]: Uh I hope that you've had the opportunity to review the uh proposed amendments to the city's parking ordinance. Uh the ordinance needed to be amended to clarify some ambiguous uh language, uh to remove some conflicting provisions, but then also to expand upon the ordinance in order to enhance our capacity. [1:16:11, 1:16:31]: to effectively uh regulate and enforce parking within the uh city. So what I would like to do just briefly go down through if you have uh before you the attachment, the revision to the parking ordinance. Uh it should be an 11-page document and so I will go through this in order referring to first page one. You'll notice [1:16:30, 1:16:50]: That we added a provision section 1012 uh 10.12.015 for parking prohibitions in general. And the reason that this was added, this is basically a duplication of the state's uh parking regulations. Uh under state law, these regulations exist. The problem with that is that if it's not [1:16:50, 1:17:10]: Not in our uh code of ordinances, then uh it's difficult or our code enforcement uh personnel are not in a position to be able to enforce these regulations. So we wanted to add this so that there's an option to either charge state or city ordinance for these parking offenses, which will afford us the ability to uh [1:17:10, 1:17:13]: Um enhance our enforcement efforts by [1:17:13, 1:17:33]: Than allowing code enforcement to be able to force some of these other state law parking violations. Moving through, we added a provision for parking on sidewalks. This came out of some complaints that we received in the downtown area regarding motorcycles, parking on sidewalks. And so we wanted to add this provision in here to regulate the parking on sidewalks. [1:17:33, 1:17:53]: sidewalk so that was an addition. We added in section 1012.017 on page two parking designated for persons with disabilities, which was not in the previous ordinance. So we've included that. We've included a revision here in section 10.12.018 [1:17:53, 1:18:13]: A parking prohibition on narrow streets. And narrow streets are defined as any roadway that does not exceed 20 feet. The previous ordinance regulated parking on roadways less than 27 feet, which in theory, based on the old ordinance, these narrow streets somebody could have actually applied for a [1:18:13, 1:18:33]: Permit to park on a narrow street. The thing with these streets, they're not greater than 20 feet in length. Then you park a vehicle alongside of an emergency vehicle, can't get down the street. So we needed to make sure that there are certain streets where there is no parking even without a permit because it presents a public safety issue. As it relates to roadways in the city, I believe there are less than 40. [1:18:33, 1:18:37]: [4718.1, 4718.9]: They're less [1:18:39, 1:18:59]: Quick question. Quick question. There are less than forty streets in the city that are uh twenty feet or less, and I have a comprehensive list that was provided by Mr. provided by Mr. Aaron. They maintain a list of all the roadways in the city along with their width on there. So I could give you that listing of those streets if you would like to see that. And since you have a question, uh Councilman Blount, I don't know if you want me [1:18:59, 1:19:04]: Uh [1:19:05, 1:19:07]: Yeah, because one of my concerns, I think I brought it up before [1:19:08, 1:19:12]: I get it that we're doing that in in a lot of areas. [1:19:12, 1:19:16]: But when we have that one park that the street is eighteen feet wide. [1:19:16, 1:19:26]: I think it should be a one way anyway, but we're gonna make sure when we do this that we have proper no parking signage in place prior to this enforcement, is that correct? [1:19:26, 1:19:41]: That that's a provision of the ordinance is that the signage actually be installed before the ordinance can be enforced. Gotcha. Um so that's something that we'll have to consider and work with Mr. Aaron and his team in order to make sure that we have appropriate signage on these roadways where there's restricted parking. [1:19:41, 1:19:42]: Right. [1:19:43, 1:19:59]: Um section ten twelve nineteen. This is just a provision that basically says that you cannot contest a citation. If we issue a citation to somebody and you're the registered owner of that vehicle, then you're responsible for that vehicle. So it's presumption of ownership for the violator. [1:20:00, 1:20:20]: As we move into 10120, this was the previous ordinance. And what we've done is we've sought to streamline and simplify this ordinance. So we've cut down on some things because they were unnecessary. As an example, for roadways 28 to 34 feet, which was in the previous ordinance, it says that you can park on one [1:20:19, 1:20:23]: one side of the road without a permit. But there were provisions in there about [1:20:24, 1:20:42]: permitting and you need to get a permit for this, this and that. So it was confusing to people because the reality is is they don't need a permit if the roadway's between that uh length so long as they're parking on the designated side of the street. And then the same thing applied to streets with a width of greater than thirty four feet, which allows for parking on both sides of the roadway. [1:20:42, 1:20:46]: without a permit and therefore when you have language in there that talks about permitting [1:20:46, 1:20:57]: it does convolute or complicate things. So we um struck that from the uh previous ordinance and then just narrowly defined it. So we have for streets with a width of twenty one to twenty seven feet. [1:20:58, 1:21:02]: Parking's allowed on one side of the street designated by signage with a permit. [1:21:02, 1:21:20]: And then parking on one side of the street is designated by signage with a residential parking permit on nationally recognized holidays and weekends from 5 p.m. on Friday until 5 a.m. on Monday. This was in the previous ordinance. So we've just taken the [1:21:20, 1:21:40]: Main points of that and simplified it and put it into uh exceptions A, B, and C there. Uh one of the changes that we did make was the parking on weekends and holidays, five PM to five A. M. at the previous version said three A.M. and so uh we thought that would be more reasonable and in alignment with a lot of other um cities. [1:21:40, 1:22:00]: These parking ordinances to make that 5 a.m. instead of 3 a.m. is the cutoff time for that. For streets 28 to 34 feet, there's parking allowed on one side of the street designated by signage. One of the things that was lacking in the previous ordinance was a permitting process. It said that the Department of Community Development shall develop a process for permitting, but one [1:22:00, 1:22:07]: Um this is not under the Department of Community Development anymore, it's under the police department, so we had to make that change and we also had to [1:22:07, 1:22:19]: clearly identify a permitting process which we do have in place, which is outlined in the parking ordinance here. So as it relates to permitting, there are three types of residential parking permits. One of those is an emergency medical waiver. [1:22:19, 1:22:26]: So individuals who either have a temporary or permanent medical condition that impacts their mobility are eligible to apply for a permit. [1:22:26, 1:22:32]: А тер'я специально приміт в ала резиденці номер. [1:22:33, 1:22:53]: To allow for no more than five vehicles to be permitted at any one time. So if you have a graduation party or an event or something like that, they have to apply with that permit through the city, and that permit is ten dollars per vehicle per special event issued. And then of course the overnight uh permit, uh, this is a continuation of the previous ordinance, it was in there previously. [1:22:53, 1:22:53]: Yeah. [1:22:53, 1:22:55]: And um this is allowing [1:22:56, 1:23:05]: uh property owner two overnight parking permits per household uh per calendar year um to park uh [1:23:06, 1:23:12]: In those times between uh Monday through Friday, five PM to five AM. And then moving along [1:23:14, 1:23:20]: The only other addition to the parking ordinance is the very last page, pass page ten of eleven. [1:23:20, 1:23:40]: We added a section 1012-130, an enforcement section, and what that allows us to do is to appoint enforcement agents. Currently, only code enforcement and law enforcement are positioned to be able to enforce parking. Uh, one of the things that we spoke about at the council retreat was possibly moving forward, like a public safety officer program or a volunteers in police service. [1:23:40, 1:23:41]: Yeah. [1:23:42, 1:24:00]: What this would allow us to do is to provide training and to certify people to actually be able to go out and assist the department in parking enforcement. So it specifies the requirements to uh be appointed as a parking enforcement agent within the city. Um so those are the changes that were made. [1:24:00, 1:24:01]: Two [1:24:02, 1:24:22]: The current ordinance and I wanted to point out um some things that were struck through from the previous ordinance. There was a provision in there that said that towing of vehicles by homeowners associations is permissible and they must use the city authorized towing service. In discussion with legal counsel, it was requested to move that because many homeowners associations already have covenants which allow them to. [1:24:22, 1:24:40]: tow vehicles that they're in violation of those covenants and we don't want to be in a situation where we're dictating what record service a homeowners association utilizes to remove those vehicles from their community. So we decided to remove that portion. And as it relates to that, those are the changes that were made in [1:24:40, 1:24:42]: Um all things considered um [1:24:42, 1:24:50]: Well, one of the things too, there was some discussion about parking on the l what side of the street was permissible and it was said in the previous ordinance it's left side of the street. [1:24:50, 1:24:57]: Well left side of course is gonna be relative to which direction of travel in the vehicle and so we removed references to left side. [1:24:57, 1:25:03]: And then put in there as designated by signage. So the signage will dictate what side of the street parking's allowed on. [1:25:04, 1:25:24]: You know, well part of T part of the discussion I think in the past dealt with whether it was even numbers or odd number streets, uh the addresses I should say. The addresses that that would be allowed for the parking, whether where nobody's coming left or right, north or south, you know, either you park on a uh odd number and listed streets or uh the addresses or or the even numbered. But I guess uh [1:25:24, 1:25:44]: This if you the signs would be appropriate too if we nailed out to put the signs on certain sides and you can only you can only park on those particular uh designated areas where says the signs indicate you can, I suppose. Yeah, I think that's that that's a a cleaner method to put the signage there because I'm not certain if there's any discrepancies. [1:25:44, 1:25:45]: In terms of how numbers are going to be a good thing. [1:25:46, 1:25:54]: would operate, especially getting situations like a cul-de-sac or something along those lines. I I think it'd be better just to designate it with uh with signage, which is why we made that decision. [1:25:54, 1:26:14]: But again, this is this is up to the council to decide what direction you all want to move forward in here. There were some additions and a few minor amendments, but uh in general I think that um much of what we've done here is in alignment with what uh the the consensus of the council was previously regarding the uh prior parking ordinance. [1:26:14, 1:26:31]: Comment sheet. Yes, sir. And maybe I gotta reach back and catch this. Okay. You you mentioned something about uh permits, I believe, uh two permits or for something on the weekends, maybe only twice a year, something along those lines. What was that? I forgot what that was. Something you mentioned about permits and twice. [1:26:31, 1:26:51]: Right. So we we have we have a per we have a permitting process and I think that uh somewhere in here, this is an example of the parking permit and it will be specific to the vehicle and the individual. They'll apply for these through the police department and we'll issue these. And uh for special events, it's you basically can have three special events per year. Okay. Uh it's your residence. [1:26:51, 1:27:11]: And you can apply for uh uh additional parking permits for each event up to five cars. So you get an opportunity to host three events, and then you can have up to five vehicles that are parking on the roadway with a permit for your event. The other is the overnight parking. So there's certain situations where there may not be adequate parking. [1:27:11, 1:27:31]: And you have people who may have a hardship, and that's going to be upon, you know, contingent upon us in code enforcement to investigate these to see if there is a true hardship or there's a need in order for us to issue this permit for them to park, you know, um in the the evening time hours. But you can only get two permits per household. Um, and you have to renew that permit every year based on the house. [1:27:31, 1:27:35]: I think that's exactly what it was. Okay. [1:27:35, 1:27:36]: Questions. [1:27:36, 1:27:37]: Concerns. [1:27:38, 1:27:40]: Okay, I'm sorry. [1:27:40, 1:27:46]: Uh, Chief, I'm not sure if this falls within your jurisdiction, um [1:27:47, 1:27:49]: An issue has come forward and uh [1:27:50, 1:28:00]: I think community development and public works may be a better place for it, but you can correct me. Uh in a commercial [1:28:01, 1:28:02]: Business district. [1:28:03, 1:28:04]: Where you have [1:28:05, 1:28:10]: a number of businesses, but you don't have so many parking spaces. [1:28:10, 1:28:14]: Uh an and it seemed like there's an issue with [1:28:14, 1:28:15]: Who [1:28:16, 1:28:17]: What what? [1:28:17, 1:28:21]: If you're freaking what business, what parking space [1:28:21, 1:28:24]: uh is allotted to that business. [1:28:25, 1:28:31]: Um, I don't think it's in your jurisdiction, but are you f have you has any of that issue come to you? [1:28:32, 1:28:34]: That's regulated by the business license office. [1:28:34, 1:28:47]: Okay. Yes sir. So and that's where that need to go to help those business owners decide how many spaces are designated for for that business. Yes. All right. Thank you. [1:28:51, 1:28:52]: Yeah, you got a question, Ms. Mullett? [1:28:53, 1:29:00]: Yeah. She uh uh thank you for your presentation. Um I guess when you talk about the um [1:29:00, 1:29:20]: parking and I have to go back with the parks. And I'm pretty sure if someone parks there, you have to if it has to be told, you have to cite the owner. Cause there definitely won't be any premafacial evidence. It'll only be hearsay in court. Um but I wanna look at uh because I've seen [1:29:20, 1:29:22]: Um [1:29:23, 1:29:31]: I was looking at when you talked about um jump vehicles and we talk about permits for so many people. [1:29:32, 1:29:33]: Um [1:29:37, 1:29:43]: Anytime a vehicle is gonna be towed, it's gonna be done at the officer's discretion. Is that correct? [1:29:45, 1:29:51]: Uh the officers or code enforcement uh is authorized to tow vehicles under the city's um [1:29:51, 1:29:53]: ordinances as well. [1:29:53, 1:30:02]: Okay,'cause I remember one time they was talking about tow trucks being I just don't want to trucks involved going road through around throughout the city. Um [1:30:03, 1:30:08]: Is there any exceptions to the rule when it comes to the permittance for firecars? [1:30:09, 1:30:14]: I'm sorry for what? Are there any exceptions to the rule when it comes to [1:30:14, 1:30:22]: permitting for ev uh someone have an event at the house and you're saying a permit is only gonna allow five extra cars that could be on the street. [1:30:22, 1:30:26]: Th there is. There's a an exception if you look at um [1:30:30, 1:30:31]: I believe page four. [1:30:35, 1:30:55]: Subsection E says the prohibitions of the section may be weighed for limited special purposes and for limited durations, subject to the rules and regulations promulgated by the chief of police. Um such circumstances may be limited to uh specifically limited to weddings, funerals, holidays, graduations, emergencies, or other special circumstances. They still have to obtain a parking pass, but we [1:30:55, 1:30:57]: We have the option of [1:30:58, 1:31:09]: i if it's if it's eight cars and we feel like there's sufficient room or sufficient space there, then we have the authority to be able to expand that. Okay, good. The the last one is um [1:31:10, 1:31:12]: And I've seen it in my neighborhood where [1:31:13, 1:31:15]: uh vehicles [1:31:16, 1:31:31]: that's some s places in particular, where the vehicles just s is vehicle that sits there. What is what is considered junk or abandoned? How do you determine that if it's just sitting there not having a tag or how or what is what is what cause how do you determine [1:31:32, 1:31:52]: So on page seven, um, it speaks specifically about junk motor vehicles and it says uh a junk motor vehicle is an erect, non-operable, dismantled automobile, truck, trailer, recreational vehicle, motorhome, or other vehicle. And um what determines whether or not that is junked or abandoned means that it doesn't bear a state license plate, um or [1:31:52, 1:32:00]: or revalidation uh decal and it's not obviously in a in a place where it's up for sale, so it would have to maintain current registration as well. [1:32:01, 1:32:07]: So it's not that it's sitting there, it's just not registered as sitting here. [1:32:08, 1:32:17]: No, if it's if it's setting there, it's in plain view and it doesn't appear to be an operational vehicle. No uh meaning that it doesn't have um uh [1:32:17, 1:32:28]: you know, a valid license plate on the vehicle and it appears to be in a state that's not operable or something along those lines, then it would be considered a junked vehicle and it could be it could then be removed from the property. [1:32:29, 1:32:39]: Okay. And the thing about uh what you guys said about the left and right side, I guess you guys gonna be coming to us of how you determine that and how you're gonna be signed. That's enlightened to what [1:32:40, 1:32:48]: Other areas do it. Uh with that. That's already been decided. It's gonna be through signage. So the signage will designate parking on what side of the road. Gotcha. [1:32:50, 1:33:08]: Questions go ahead, sir. Yes. Let's uh be clear on the permits that can be obtained and that everyone would be able to use. Those permits are for what, a couple of hours to be able to park, not overnight, not for an extended period of time. That's just for guests, correct? [1:33:08, 1:33:28]: It's for guests for the duration of the event. There's a whole application at the end. I'm just saying in general, if they are able to park on this whatever side beside that sign, then when the time comes, that's not an unlimited amount of time that they're allowed to park on the left hand side. Yeah, though there'll be an expiration time and date on [1:33:28, 1:33:32]: on this permit that'll be need to be affixed to the vehicle so [1:33:32, 1:33:42]: You know, if they say that this is gonna be over with at eleven o'clock, then permits till eleven o'clock, we'll post that on there and they'll we'll be able to enforce it after uh that time period expires. [1:33:42, 1:34:01]: Right. So in general a prohibition between parking over street up at night unless there is some type of special permit or mitigating circumstances where there may be some aid or something there for someone who's in need of care. Is that correct? Correct. All right. Thank you. No problem. Any other questions? [1:34:02, 1:34:22]: All right, no other questions. You talked about a car sitting on the on a roadway. Could you get to the mic, Kevin? You talked about a car on the roadway and it talks about um removal required it is unlawful to park a vehicle on any roadway in the city for more than twelve hours. So if it's sitting [1:34:22, 1:34:28]: There more than 12 hours, we can't put a sticker on that car and it can't get towed. If it's just stuck sitting there and it's not, you know, it's [1:34:29, 1:34:33]: Uh we will do it if it's an abandoned car or no tag or whatever, but if it's sitting there over twelve hours. [1:34:34, 1:34:36]: Yeah, but I'm speaking more toward [1:34:36, 1:34:37]: Um [1:34:38, 1:34:48]: In my neighborhood, if it's just sitting in the yard. Oh, in the yard. Yeah, nobody's moving it and is that can you can a vehicle in the yard be considered abandoned? [1:34:48, 1:34:50]: Uh it's violation of parking and yard. Yes, sir. [1:34:53, 1:35:06]: No other okay, no other questions. So thank you for the presentation. And uh so with all these particular uh changes, uh is there a motion to accept these changes and and uh to implement this public hearing and uh [1:35:07, 1:35:11]: Not on not on this that I know of. [1:35:12, 1:35:12]: So [1:35:14, 1:35:20]: Which is um it was no it's not listed as a public hearing. We do have a public hearing but it's not on not on this uh not on this issue. [1:35:20, 1:35:23]: Okay. Mr. Washington over there? [1:35:23, 1:35:25]: We wanna make sure we don't have to come back and revisit this. [1:35:27, 1:35:40]: Okay, there's no okay. All right. There motion accepted. Okay. Uh as well. But yes, so moved. [1:35:41, 1:35:41]: Is there a second? [1:35:43, 1:35:47]: Second. Mr. Blount seconded that. Um any other comments? [1:35:48, 1:36:00]: I do. I do have comments. I have some concerns regarding the permitting process. Um, I don't have very many visitors. However, if I wanted to have an event at my home [1:36:00, 1:36:00]: Um [1:36:01, 1:36:04]: I'm not gonna know how many cars are gonna show up. [1:36:04, 1:36:09]: And what happens if I have more cars um even after [1:36:09, 1:36:11]: I've asked for a permit. [1:36:13, 1:36:18]: What happens to those vehicles that may come that does not have a permit though? [1:36:19, 1:36:21]: That is what I'm concerned about. Um [1:36:23, 1:36:31]: Is it at the police department's discretion or whether or not um to site or ticket those vehicles? [1:36:32, 1:36:43]: It it it is and under the circumstances if we you know, we always had the latitude to be able to um if we don't feel the circumstances are appropriate if there were citations issued to rescind those citations. [1:36:43, 1:36:54]: Um, you know, we would in general issue those citations to the homeowner for their event. They would distribute those to their guests to be displayed in their vehicle. There were a situation I would think just officer discretion wise, and they see [1:36:54, 1:37:02]: There are five cars out there that have a permit and you got a sixth one out there and there's one that doesn't. I I would I would think in all likelihood that we probably wouldn't get into um [1:37:03, 1:37:11]: Enforcement on that. How many other well, do you know of other communities that also have this permitting process in place? [1:37:12, 1:37:17]: Th there are various different forms of uh of permitting that are in place in general. [1:37:17, 1:37:31]: Um quite honestly many communities just elect to decide they're either gonna allow parking or they're not gonna allow parking. Um because really when you're regulating parking, the um you know, there there are various different reasons why you would do that. But the number one factor is public safety. [1:37:31, 1:37:51]: And so in many of those cases, they don't want people parking on multiple sides of a roadway on streets that are a certain length because you can't get fire apparatus into the neighborhood or you know emergency uh vehicles into the neighborhood. So they elect to uh place those parking restrictions and they don't allow permitting. If you have a restriction in place, then you adhere to that restriction. [1:37:51, 1:37:55]: restriction in place and there no exceptions in a number of cases. [1:37:56, 1:37:58]: Um one last question. So [1:37:59, 1:38:01]: If the council approves this today, [1:38:02, 1:38:06]: What notice will the community receive as far as [1:38:07, 1:38:10]: The enforcement of this it would be immediate. [1:38:11, 1:38:31]: Yes, we would do um and and we'll work on designing some public safety education literature where we're actually posting warning notices on uh with with actual provisions for the parking uh with these uh violators on the citations. We can check the box for a warning or we can uh i issue an actual citation. [1:38:31, 1:38:39]: in light of some of the changes, but we want to do and especially with the new residents that have come into the city, make sure that they're appropriately apprised on what the uh what the restrictions are. [1:38:40, 1:38:40]: Thank you, Sarah. [1:38:41, 1:38:44]: If you know the question is Mr. Thomas. [1:38:44, 1:38:58]: Okay. Mr. Thomas know that we have a motion but I want you to know we made a motion and second it. We're in discussion that has to accept the entire changes as it's been presented by the chief. So one you know that, sir. Go ahead, Mr. Blount. [1:38:58, 1:39:18]: So so uh Chief, when when they when they do the permits, so if you go by a residence, the officer's able to pull that up in his vehicle that his house has a permit or do do you have to put something on the mailbox? Do will they will they know that this house has a permit if those vehicles are on the street? And we maintain it file, but the way that they're gonna know the way the ordinance writes is that this permit has to be [1:39:18, 1:39:24]: be visible and displayed in the vehicle if you're you're parking there. So you have to have that vehicle, the permit displayed. [1:39:24, 1:39:32]: Th so the specific vehicle that or the owner that went and got the permit, it has to be displayed in that vehicle for whatever the okay, gotcha. [1:39:33, 1:39:37]: Any other questions? Motion has been made in the second. All in favor of the motion, please indicate? [1:39:38, 1:39:58]: Okay, it's unanimous station. Thank you, Chief. Appreciate it. Captain Madison, thank you for all your hard work as well. All right, we'll move on. And uh, and what actually is next is a public hearing, comprehensive plan, five-year update to see Stockbridge Mayor and City Council. Of course, we'll have a public hearing uh this evening. And uh this deals with the Stockbridge Community Development. [1:39:58, 1:40:18]: Department to adopt a five-year update in the City of Starbucks Comprehensive Plan 2018 to 2023, which is required by the Georgia Department of Community Affairs. The five-year update would be effective from 2024 to 2028. It has been prepared by the Atlanta Regional Commission, ARC, in consultation with the City of [1:40:18, 1:40:20]: Dobbridge Community Development Department. [1:40:20, 1:40:40]: The five-year update comprom comprises an update to reflect recent development patterns of the city and also includes a new future land use plan and map. The land use categories have been modified to make needed corrections and class clarifications, and to include the new zoning districts which were created through the adoption [1:40:40, 1:41:00]: Of the Stockbridge Unified Development Code on March 14th of 2022. Mr. Ryan Anderson, sir, please. Good afternoon. Good evening again. Good evening. I'd like to introduce Ms. Carrie Stevens from the Carolina Regional Commission. She worked in conjunction with staff as we prepared this document. Please keep in mind that it's just [1:41:00, 1:41:01]: Just uh [1:41:02, 1:41:22]: Up an update is not a major rewrite. It's just a major rewrite. It's just a an update on our existing document. A major rewrite uh would be probably required in 2028. Uh this document attempts to bring all the cities' plans and studies into uniformity. This draft document incorporates some of the latest trends, best practice, and modern [1:41:22, 1:41:42]: Modernizes our comp plan. The document was updated with a great deal of interdepartmental coordination, particularly from economic development and public works, working together with community development. One of the things we tried to alleviate was the need of having too many comp plan amendments by working on our density scale. [1:41:42, 1:41:50]: Uh the document also introduces some new concepts in land use. And once again, this is only an update. [1:41:52, 1:41:52]: All right. [1:41:53, 1:42:13]: Thank you, Ryan, and um thank you, Mayor and City Council. I'm excited to be back here. We were all together in April, end of April, getting this process started. Um so I'll just go through um obviously there's a lot of um parts to this, um, but again, I'm with the ARC and and we're really working uh together with all of our communities to make one great region. [1:42:13, 1:42:23]: region. So that is a philosophy that we have at ARC and we really do want to work with the community, with yourselves and your citizens and stakeholders to make sure we get the best plan for you. [1:42:26, 1:42:41]: So we've done our welcome. We'll go through welcome and some introductions about comp planning. Um we did go through this in April, but we'll go through it again just briefly for um the council and for the community that's here uh to listen. I'll go through a timeline of how we got here and what we have done so far. [1:42:41, 1:42:46]: We'll go through the vision for the plan, um the public input that we have received so far. [1:42:47, 1:42:56]: A summary of some of the changes. We'll review what's called the report of accomplishments and also talk about your community work program, and then we'll go through some next steps. [1:43:02, 1:43:03]: Nope. [1:43:04, 1:43:05]: Sorry about that. [1:43:08, 1:43:28]: So, why do we plan? We plan for a lot of different reasons. We need to prepare for our future, which there's been a bunch of that discussed today through some of the programs and projects that you've been working on. We provide for public health, safety, and welfare. We want to build community. We want to minim minimize our weaknesses and enhance our strengths, accommodate present needs and anticipate. [1:43:28, 1:43:39]: Change. And of course, we also want to do this plan because the Department of Community Affairs asks us to do it nicely every five years so we can maintain our quality, uh qualified local government status. [1:43:41, 1:44:01]: So every five years, the Department of Community Affairs asks that the community update the needs and opportunities. Now is a new feature of the plan is to update your broadband section. Actually, this community is very well served by broadband, which is a good thing to hear. Update our land use map, review our report of accomplishments. [1:44:01, 1:44:10]: And this is what we do. We review the old community work program and see what has been accomplished in the last five years, and then we decide. [1:44:11, 1:44:19]: Which things have been completed, which things are underway, things that we no longer want to pursue, and things that we have postponed. [1:44:20, 1:44:38]: And then we define what is our new community work program, which includes the things that were underway from our old community work program and things that were postponed. So these are things that we definitely want to continue working on and are important to the community, but also brand new items that we want to address in the next five years. [1:44:40, 1:45:00]: So ARC as a regional commission, we are required by DCA and happy to do so, help you work out your goals, which we'll talk a little bit this evening about, your needs and opportunities. Again, work with you on broadband and update your community work program. Of course, it's our goal to take all the feedback where appropriate, not just in these required [1:45:00, 1:45:13]: areas so we try to get into some of the nitty-gritty that this community wants to address. In your public meetings, we again have we've gone through two public meetings and we also have a website that people've had the opportunity to provide input to. [1:45:17, 1:45:37]: So some of the focuses, and Ryan alluded to some of these as well, is updating your land use map. The prior land use map did not have the recently annexed areas included in it, so we did update that map. Um look at the housing trends uh that are coming up and have become important to the city of Sokbridge, uh updating your goals uh from that 2017. [1:45:37, 1:45:50]: plan, do your community work program. And as Ryan alluded to, we had a lot of intergovernmental coordination, especially with public works and economic development, to make sure that this plan is up to date and meets your needs. [1:45:51, 1:46:11]: Uh we're also including, which we didn't have before, uh a long range chapter. Uh so this plan, your community work program, adjusts the next five years, but there's a number of strategic plans that you have uh in place now uh that will exceed that five year, but we want to make sure that those plans are captured in this plan. Uh so we'll be adding that long range. [1:46:11, 1:46:31]: Range chapter. Two things that come into uh that come to mind is the model mile project that you're working on that possibly will exceed your five-year time frame. And also certain portions of your park master plan will exceed that time frame. So we'll make sure that those are addressed. And the important part of addressing those in the long range chapter is for some reason, if in fact [1:46:31, 1:46:41]: you find out that there's additional funding you can apply for, it's still in your plan. So this adopted plan will support you applying for funding even if it's in the long range section. [1:46:42, 1:46:49]: We've utilized the new strategic plan, the Parkmaster plan, and community input as well as other plans. [1:46:50, 1:47:01]: So as you can see here, we did include discussion about different housing types that might be appropriate here in the city. So those will be included within this update to the plan. [1:47:02, 1:47:22]: So what's our timeline? As I said, I was here April 25th. We launched our website in that timeframe. We had our first public open house on May the 17th. We've had two steering committees, one in June and one in July. Excuse me, actually, August, early August. We started drafting the document in July. [1:47:22, 1:47:32]: July and August. We had another public open house here in early August and we are here tonight to have our second public hearing. [1:47:32, 1:47:50]: The deadline for adoption of this document is October the 31st. We do have to transmit the document to the Department of Community Affairs, and they have 30 days to review that document. So when you get it back, you do have to approve it before October 31st to maintain your qualified local government status. [1:47:51, 1:47:53]: So we're working off that deadline. [1:47:55, 1:48:07]: So we have updated your vision in this document to um reflect the new Stockbridge strategic plan. Uh so the new vision in that particular plan and what we propose for this plan. [1:48:07, 1:48:20]: As to be the most progressive business and family oriented community at Metro Atlanta with a focus on enhanced quality of life initiatives which promote a sustainable live, work, play environment. [1:48:20, 1:48:24]: Uh and we're also including in here your tagline and branding where community connects. [1:48:25, 1:48:28]: And you can see that in the in the great mural that you have. Um [1:48:28, 1:48:31]: Across the street that I included in the in the presentation. [1:48:33, 1:48:50]: So for public input, uh just to see where we are, um, the website survey we've had 136 views with 336 responses. Uh a great uh point that I found when I was looking at the data from the survey was that eighty-eight percent um as of [1:48:51, 1:48:54]: I think it was Friday of last week. Um [1:48:54, 1:49:08]: deemed that the quality of life in Stockbridge is either average or above average. Um so that's a really good percentage of your population that um provided us input to this survey really enjoys living in Stockbridge and val values their quality of life. [1:49:08, 1:49:28]: So, some other uh points of data: 75% lived in Stockbridge over 11 years. Uh, 29% is from 50 to 59 as far as age, and 70 to 79. That was a tie. Uh 92% of the respondents were homeowners. Uh, here's some general themes uh that came out of that survey: that it's a small town. [1:49:28, 1:49:35]: and it's family friendly. There are some traffic issues that the community would like to be addressed, some crime issues. [1:49:35, 1:49:51]: Uh a lack of sit-down restaurants and grocery stores, uh, and the need for pedestrian and bicycle safety and connectivity. We did address that um just in the plan earlier that we just had the presentation on, so we'll include that in this particular plan. And housing for low and moderate income folks. [1:49:51, 1:50:03]: So again, we had two different public open houses that addressed transportation, housing, land use priorities, and improvement locations, and had two different steering committee meetings. [1:50:07, 1:50:19]: Uh so here's just a view of the website that we've had up since April, uh I think it actually late April, early May, um for people to make comments and we're gonna keep that open, uh Ryan, until late next week. [1:50:20, 1:50:29]: Yep. Um so after this meeting, if you want to publicize it, get the word out, we can uh have a few additional comments uh as um in this website on this website, excuse me. [1:50:30, 1:50:50]: So here are the summary of some of the changes. So I'm not going to read through each one of these goals. Feel free to ask me any questions about these. We defined these goals from all of the public input that we received at the meetings and through the survey that I just discussed. And we worked with staff to make sure that we're adequately representing the city. [1:50:50, 1:50:57]: So the ones in black, as you can see here, are goals that existed in the 2017 plan. [1:50:57, 1:51:04]: Uh but we did feel as though the the goals needed to be expanded. Uh so we did add new population goals. [1:51:04, 1:51:07]: New economic development goals. [1:51:07, 1:51:15]: Uh housing goals uh especially and we did change the first housing goal to update it just a little bit um with wording. [1:51:15, 1:51:20]: Updated our natural resources goals, uh the community facilities goals. [1:51:21, 1:51:41]: Future land use, transportation, broadband, intergovernmental as well. And we add one new general category, which was general coordination. And the staff, as well as the community, felt that it was important to establish and ensure cooperation between nonprofits and other partners in the city. And that was not addressed in the last comprehensive plan. [1:51:43, 1:51:57]: So here, I mean I know this is pretty small, but this is the updated future land use map. Um as I said, it does include uh the annexed areas. Um and we have also addressed here uh one extra district, which is a special purpose district. [1:51:58, 1:52:03]: And one thing that the staff felt was very important was to address the density and scale. [1:52:04, 1:52:24]: Of those particular districts. Uh there was a lot of changes each time with comp plan amendments. Uh so we looked at the the future land use map and we wanted it to comply with the parkway mixed use district as well as your downtown village overlay and your unique you your new unified development code. So we looked at large inter [1:52:24, 1:52:27]: winter changes where some of this density would be appropriate. [1:52:27, 1:52:33]: Uh and these are some proposed the proposed densities for these particular districts. So the special purpose district was this which is new. [1:52:34, 1:52:37]: uh is proposed at sixteen to twenty four units per acre. [1:52:37, 1:52:42]: Low density residential is proposed at one to three point nine nine per acre. [1:52:42, 1:52:51]: Medium density residential is proposed at 4 to 7.99 per acre, and high density residential is proposed at 18 to 16 units. [1:52:54, 1:52:58]: So our report of accomplishments and our community work program. [1:52:58, 1:53:18]: Uh so we had a lot of great success over the last five years updating this community work program. So thirteen action items out of thirty-two were absolutely completed, which is really amazing for a five-year timeframe. Uh but many of the projects are still underway, are closer to completion. So I think we've had great success over the last five years and [1:53:18, 1:53:25]: And the picture that I put on this slide is your amazing amphitheater that you have right out here, and that's an amazing accomplishment for the city. [1:53:27, 1:53:47]: So the community work program, this is a five-year plan for programs and projects. It updates economic development, land use, parks and green space, transportation and public works, and community facilities. I showed here a picture of the plan that we just uh heard a presentation on. That will be included in your community work program as well. [1:53:47, 1:54:07]: As an update to the parks master plan will be included. So we'll have the one to three time frame projects that are in your master plan addressed in the community work program, as well as the three to five, and then as I said, we'll have the long-range plan which can address the projects that go longer than five years. So we we have a number [1:54:07, 1:54:13]: number of projects for each one of these topics, and those will be included in the community work program. [1:54:16, 1:54:26]: And our next steps, as I said, will be to finalize the document, make any suggestions that we need. We will transmit that to the Department of Community Affairs for their review. [1:54:26, 1:54:32]: takes thirty days for them to make their review, then it comes back to this committee for adoption at that point. [1:54:32, 1:54:41]: We do have the opportunity at any time prior to adoption to make minor changes to the plan. So we have a good a good window to make any changes that we'd like to see. [1:54:42, 1:54:49]: So with that, that's a a brief overview of where we are and where we're going, and I'm happy to answer any questions. [1:54:51, 1:54:51]: But [1:54:52, 1:55:12]: Okay, boy, Ms. Alzander. Yes, thank you so much for your assistance and you're always positive about everything going on here. You know, it was really good to hear you say we've made so much progress in the last five years. And uh because you've seen it region wide and you see that uh these numbers are very impressive that the city's been able to accomplish the number of projects. [1:55:12, 1:55:32]: projects. The one issue that we always get bombarded with here is the traffic and people talk about that. Most of the time the county has theirs on their has most of the comprehensive transportation plans on their comprehensive plan. So [1:55:32, 1:55:42]: So should we be concerned about making sure that we have matching what they're doing in terms of including those projects uh in our plan as well? [1:55:42, 1:56:02]: Yes, so um I I didn't go through the laundry list, we'll provide you the list. I didn't go through it in this presentation today, uh but based on our last conversation there were two roadways that you discussed in April that you wanted included on here, which was Flippin' Road and Rock Quarry Road. So those are both included on this plan. Uh and included also is Highway one hundred thirty eight. [1:56:02, 1:56:11]: um a traffic plan for that. So we've included some of those major traffic points to be included in our plan as well. [1:56:12, 1:56:32]: And one of the roles that we need to look at, we have this big development coming on Jodeco Road. And certainly, um, Jodeco needs to be I think the county has Jodeco on theirs, but certainly if we're gonna sync up with what they're doing, we certainly need to make sure that uh we are putting forth the effort and [1:56:32, 1:56:38]: and showing that we certainly want that project to be accomplished with so much uh coming to the area. [1:56:39, 1:56:59]: And Ryan had mentioned and we've included it on here as well, is in addition to just studying the traffic patterns there to address it through LCI as an update. And I can let you speak to that as well. Yes, uh we had it on the list for uh FY twenty-four to do a LCI study for the Jodico area, but we might not be able to fund it um in FY twenty four. [1:56:58, 1:57:08]: Because of budgetary constraints, but we are looking for additional resources to fund it. And uh an outcome plan will line up with all the plans that are [1:57:08, 1:57:17]: within the city and with the uh applicable Henry County plan. So we will take information from the um Henry County Transportation Plan and incorporate in this document. [1:57:17, 1:57:28]: I think the mo the most important thing is I think even if we don't have the funding that it's identified in the plan because without being identified in the plan it can't be funded, correct? [1:57:29, 1:57:33]: Yes, sir. But we w we will identify and this and it's in the and it will be in the listy. [1:57:33, 1:57:53]: Yeah, so certainly in addition to that, we would just kind of scrub the Henry County plan and just make sure that we uh we are representing those traffic areas uh as well in terms of uh things that we're doing. And you did indicate some of the things that we have coming up, like the parks master plan uh is included. [1:57:53, 1:58:13]: And we have that happen a lot where residents asking about what are we doing to protect the city in terms of uh cutting down trees and protecting green spaces. That's what the Park Master Plan does, right? Is to make sure that we are planning for the future to make sure that we d identify uh current [1:58:13, 1:58:20]: improve identify and improve current parks and then even identify some new parkland uh in the city as well. [1:58:21, 1:58:29]: Yeah, th there's a lot in this. This is the Parks Master Plan implementation portion. So we're gonna reference this document in total. [1:58:29, 1:58:49]: And spread it out as I said, I think it's one to three years and then three to five years. So those can be included as reference on that community work program, which is five years. But we're also going to include the entire plan in the appendix and then reference in the long range section. So if there is a section that may uh have been thought of as longer range than five years. [1:58:49, 1:58:53]: years but you do you want to address it and apply for funds, it will be addressed in this plan. [1:58:53, 1:58:55]: Okay. All right. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. [1:58:56, 1:59:07]: Any other questions? Look good? Okay. Thank you for the pres well that's thank you. But uh but uh obviously it's a public hearing, so I need to open up for the public hearing. Almost forgot that. [1:59:07, 1:59:25]: But anyway, uh so make public hearing, so I'm opening up for uh any comments uh positively, I guess you may say, that in reference to this particular um five year plan that was just presented. So I'll start on my very left side and public public comments uh four, positive comments for [1:59:25, 1:59:27]: My left side. In the middle. [1:59:28, 1:59:29]: The far right. [1:59:31, 1:59:40]: All right, any comments from a far left of uh anything that you're not satisfied with, you wanna add, or maybe negative comments, anything along those lines on my left side? [1:59:40, 1:59:41]: In the middle. [1:59:42, 1:59:43]: And right. [1:59:43, 1:59:53]: So I see nothing. So I'll close the public hearing. And actually, Council, um, unless you have any other questions, because obviously this is something that we have to adopt before the thirty-first of October, is my understanding. [1:59:53, 2:00:13]: Yeah, so what we'll do um is we'll finalize our work, um, and then a letter will need to come from you, Mayor, uh, to transmit this to the Department of Community Affairs, which then gives them thirty days, and then you will have to do a vote and a resolution to adopt it before that October thirty first deadline. Well obviously we're not gonna do that tonight, but I'll that'll come a little [2:00:13, 2:00:21]: A little later. Okay. Any other comments, Council? If not, thank you, ma'am. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. I I've really enjoyed working with you and and [2:00:21, 2:00:37]: Hope to continue uh doing all our great work together. You we will. Absolutely. Thank you. New business. Council consideration to renew the contract for emergency services for civil engineering services with Whitley Engineering, not to exceed a six month time frame. Mr. Anderson, please. [2:00:44, 2:01:01]: Yes, um this the purpose of this item is to um is to extend the emergency contract service for Willie Engineering Service. Um this summer uh we've kinda gotten back on track with the department. Um we're uh we've improved our customer experience for both the internal and external customer. [2:01:01, 2:01:07]: We got a lot of projects rolling that were stalled. Most of our pro well, all of our projects are back moving forward. [2:01:07, 2:01:27]: Um we're on time with our reviews and Mark Whitley, the gentleman who's sitting right there, he played an instrument, a big role in helping us get back on the right foot. So for the past two months we've been running smoothly and everything's looking good for us. Now we have more compliments than we have complaints. So department is doing pretty [2:01:27, 2:01:31]: Well right now. So and Mark played a instrumental role in that. [2:01:31, 2:01:40]: So staff recommends extending his contract for an additional six months. Okay. Uh Mark, did you uh need to say anything? Come forward in the comments, sir? [2:01:45, 2:02:05]: Yes, I I would like to I guess introduce myself. The first time the contract was approved, uh I didn't speak and just wanted to make sure that everybody knew the face and I knew you f your faces and names and if anything that I could do to to help anybody needs anything from me. I I've enjoyed working with your staff. I've uh I've been in this area ever since [2:02:05, 2:02:25]: my college days, which was quite a long time ago, and very experienced of working in Henry and Clayton counties and and worked with several cities in this area and continue to work for several other cities. And it's just been a pleasure to work with your staff and to see all of us be able to grow together. And we just really enjoyed [2:02:25, 2:02:45]: Helping get things moving along. Okay. Council, any questions at all for the gentleman? Yeah, just go right here, please. Sir, thank you. I appreciate your helping and the staff's recommendation for you to be able to uh well impact that. We just need to let people know that we're business friendly and that we're able to uh move processes through the system as a [2:02:45, 2:02:53]: efficiently uh as possible. I think one of the challenges that we had talked about previously was staffing. Talk about your staffing levels. [2:02:54, 2:03:14]: Well, my staffing levels, we we are a small firm. We are a staff of seven people, and three of us are engineers. And um generally Stockbridge I handle myself. If I need assistance, I will get that assistance from my staff. But um really with the level of what's needed as far as my work, uh, is something [2:03:14, 2:03:16]: that I can handle me directly. [2:03:16, 2:03:22]: Okay, so your staffing level right now is seven. Is that fully employed? Are you looking for a couple? How does that work? [2:03:23, 2:03:36]: Yeah, we we are we've been I guess at that level probably for four or five years. Mm-hmm. So we we're not looking to add to it. We're not not looking to get rid of anybody either. So we're very satisfied with the with our staff and the level of service that we can provide. [2:03:37, 2:03:52]: Talk about the level that you've seen in terms of the increase, especially I guess we've seen a lot of stuff come out along the Johtoco corridor in those areas in terms of what's going on and your ability to handle that increased workload. [2:03:52, 2:04:11]: Yes, sir. We've um we've been able to handle a Jotaco, of course, that development itself has been a lot going on just in that one area. Um I I've been, you know, kind of astonished with the growth uh throughout Stockbridge itself, some of the things that we're seeing even coming up with some of the residential areas. I know there's some rezoning's coming up. [2:04:11, 2:04:17]: So I've you know, it's I've been kind of amazed with the amount of growth in that's coming in the area and continues to come. [2:04:17, 2:04:19]: Um again [2:04:19, 2:04:29]: We d we don't have a problem keeping up with that level of service. If it gets to the point to where we do, then we'll add additional staff. But as of right now, we we are fine with the staff. [2:04:30, 2:04:30]: Thank you. [2:04:30, 2:04:32]: Any other questions for uh for the council? [2:04:33, 2:04:37]: No? Okay. Well on that note I need a motion to accept this six month extension. [2:04:39, 2:04:40]: Okay, a second. [2:04:41, 2:04:44]: Mr can Mr Thomas second then. All in favor, please indicate. [2:04:45, 2:04:48]: Unanimous decision. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. [2:04:49, 2:05:01]: Okay, council consideration to accept uh nine hundred and five thousand five hundred and seventy five dollars in grant funding from the governor's office of planning and budget, public safety and community violence redirection. Redaction? [2:05:02, 2:05:05]: P S C V R G O Grant Program. [2:05:06, 2:05:06]: Chief. [2:05:07, 2:05:08]: Trammer. [2:05:09, 2:05:09]: Tranberg. [2:05:10, 2:05:13]: Good evening again. Trusted Captain Anderson, please. [2:05:17, 2:05:37]: There and council, uh, as you are aware, you've probably seen from the news that um the city of Stockbridge, um, namely Captain Anderson applied for um the grant funding that was available through the Governor's Office of Planning and Budget uh under the Violent Crime Reduction Act. And um uh we were fortunate to be [2:05:37, 2:05:49]: be one of the recipient agencies. Uh we initially applied for uh around eight hundred and some thousand dollars, but were awarded nine hundred and five thousand dollars in funding to be able to implement various different uh [2:05:50, 2:05:55]: uh programs that will serve to reduce crime within the city of Stockbridge. Um [2:05:56, 2:06:07]: Just to highlight some of the things that we will be utilizing this funny this this funding for, uh one of those is the uh installation of flock license plate reader cameras throughout the city. [2:06:07, 2:06:27]: Uh we will also be implementing various different technologies in our crime lab that will enhance our capability to be able to effectively investigate crimes, particularly on the forensic side as it relates to uh cell phones. And um we also have received considerable funding to implement our own [2:06:27, 2:06:30]: uh nive in cartridge case um [2:06:31, 2:06:51]: analysis tool which will essentially allow us to be able to identify uh if we have shell casings or ballistics from crime scene to be able to match those two uh suspect weapons. Um so that's a considerable expense and there are very few agencies in the state that actually have that capacity and that's something that we'll be able to implement. We also have within that [2:06:51, 2:07:00]: That's some predictive analysis software that will help us more effectively forecast crime in the city. And we also have um [2:07:00, 2:07:11]: Funding in here for a drone. We are looking to start a drone as first responder program to be able to um assist the department with uh various different uh public safety. [2:07:12, 2:07:32]: purposes or for various different public safety purposes. And then with that also we receive funding for about a hundred twenty-five thousand dollar virtual simulator, which will allow us to enhance the quality of training that we provide to our officers. Uh we'll also be able to use this with our Citizens Police Academy and other community groups to bring them in to run them through real life public safety scenarios. [2:07:32, 2:07:52]: scenarios so they can get a firsthand account of um what it's like to um experience some of the things that our officers encounter on a regular basis. And then the last thing within that is we received a significant portion of funding to implement um ready gear for our officers in the event that we have an active shooter event here. [2:07:52, 2:08:12]: From ballistic helmets to specialized uh ballistic plating and and various different other pieces of protective equipment to be able to respond more effectively to mass killing incidents and our well, hopefully we never have something like that happen in this community, but to enable us to be able to respond most effectively to those. So we have been blessed with um a significant amount of funding to [2:08:12, 2:08:32]: To move these things forward. These obviously would have been expenses otherwise that we would have to put into our capital improvement plan and we would have to make decisions about whether or not we were able to implement some of these things. And by virtue of this opportunity available, very fortunate to be able to bring some of these things and cutting edge technology into our department. And again, uh thanks to Captain Anderson for her work. [2:08:31, 2:08:51]: Uh she's done an amazing job in securing uh funding of various different sorts for uh our police department, which has been a considerable uh cost reduction to um our community. So uh fortunate to have her on staff and appreciate her work and efforts on this. Outstanding chief, Captain Addison, way to go. He can't let you go. [2:08:51, 2:09:07]: He doesn't need it. You gotta stay, without a doubt. Community policing, twenty first century. Wait a high tech, I tell you, we got it going on. Yeah, and that's definitely got it going on. I guess I'll be quiet for a second. Mr. Blood, you have something, sir. Yeah, on your um the simulator you just discuss. [2:09:08, 2:09:27]: Is that something gonna be here or you guys have to set it up somewhere else? You guys got room for that, or is it gonna be set up somewhere else? Yeah, the technology's actually evolved and so we've gone from many of these systems where static screens or uh a set of screens to provide sort of a three sixty environment. We're actually looking at some state of the art technology. It's actually a virtual simulator. [2:09:27, 2:09:44]: So it uses VR technology and what that means is it doesn't require as much space, as large of a footprint. We can set this up in pretty much any space. So we can take this program mobily, uh someplace in the community, or we can, you know, do it in-house. So that's what we're looking at uh as it relates to the technology. [2:09:44, 2:09:50]: Oh, that's really, really good. Um, I wouldn't expect any more out of APS. [2:09:50, 2:09:58]: uh, you know, to do what you're doing, you know what I mean? So uh we definitely appreciate uh all your due diligence in what you're doing and uh [2:09:58, 2:10:07]: Just keep'em coming. You you you seem to be uh the right person for the for the job here. So she she goes after it. Yes, yes. [2:10:08, 2:10:28]: Comments down here? Oh go ahead and answer, please. I just want to thank you for everything that you do. And certainly, you know, with uh every dollar being counted here, every time we can bring some additional funding to the table, uh certainly does help as we look to be good stewards of the citizens' money. And one of the things that is our charge. [2:10:28, 2:10:48]: To bring some of their tax dollars back to the city. You know, in the past that hasn't always been the case, but I certainly have noticed since you've arrived, that has been a priority. We've seen results. And that's what it really come down to, right, Mayor? Results. Absolutely. That you're bringing home the money of the citizens and then [2:10:48, 2:11:08]: And as as we do and we move forward, it's obviously it's uh it's exciting to hear that we're gonna be able to span the flock camera network with the tag readers uh throughout town. And certainly at our budget retreat, we talked about uh as we move forward, it's a step in the direction of a citywide uh camera network. [2:11:08, 2:11:21]: to be able to keep the citizens safe. And certainly there's, I'm sure there's some additional funding that we'll be going after to try to make that happen. But every time there's an eye somewhere else, I certainly want to see that. [2:11:21, 2:11:25]: You know, I I wanna catch one of them people throwing litter on the street. I don't know. [2:11:27, 2:11:47]: I just like to give'em a thousand dollar fine for throwing litter on the street. And it is it it seems so m minuscule, but that is the one thing that just really bothers me is that we see litter along the street and I just can't imagine who's doing it. I know none of us would do that. So certainly we like to see uh things move forward. [2:11:47, 2:12:03]: and uh your activities in terms of several neighborhoods have actually added those cameras as well. I think the Winding Creek neighborhood was uh has added it and certainly I think we would encourage as many subdivisions and individuals to follow suit, correct? [2:12:04, 2:12:21]: Absolutely. So you have a comment, sir? No, not at all. Go right, please. And um uh we're talking on the lines of the camera and I think the flock system and you're hearing almost every day on the news how it's assisting in uh various areas. Um [2:12:22, 2:12:31]: When when you have subdivisions that has an HOA and they determine, hey, we're gonna take that budget, we're gonna make we're gonna put these flock cameras here, and we talked about this, Chief. [2:12:32, 2:12:35]: And they and they make it happen'cause we know the connectivity of all that. [2:12:36, 2:12:48]: How do you how can we handle as elected officials when subdivisions come to us that don't have a HOA? How could how could they make that happen? Or what can we tell them? [2:12:50, 2:12:57]: Yeah, I guess that would be a collective that uh they would have to put something together in order to, you know, pull the funds together for that. Um [2:12:58, 2:13:18]: You know, those those areas that don't have a homeowners association where they have funds available for that, those are things that we could build in as we look for additional funding opportunities or uh you know, it'd be our goal and hopefully as we write into plans for future developments that this be required technology because it's that important. Um the technology now has the cap the capacity built in. [2:13:18, 2:13:20]: Yeah. [2:13:21, 2:13:41]: Um so you know w we're we're seeing uh considerable advances in technology. The camera system that you'd mentioned, the network of cameras that we're looking to implement. As a matter of fact, Captain Anderson's already written a grant for that, so we're waiting to hear back on that. It'll be a three hundred thousand dollar project that would uh hopefully bring a network of uh AI uh capable cameras [2:13:41, 2:14:01]: Uh into um uh various different large um or heavily trafficked areas of the community. But going back to your question, um if they wanted to pull something together, the neighbors could come together and do that. But it's it's something that has to be a sustainable uh expense because it's um I believe$2,000 to$2,500 a year uh per. [2:14:01, 2:14:21]: camera. And um, but again, it's a considerable investment because it gives us real-time alerts. As a matter of fact, um one of our officers this morning um just stopped uh suspect in a stolen vehicle um off of a flock alert, stopped him on Old Conyers Road and took him into custody as a result of that uh based on a real-time alert that they received from that camera system. [2:14:20, 2:14:40]: So um it it's it's doing some amazing things out there and we want to continue to see that expand across the community. But if we could have partnerships across the board um to be able to implement those things, that would be great. Another thing too, I'd mentioned at the council retreat, the budget retreat, is that um we've also attained status as a um [2:14:40, 2:15:00]: uh foundation and what that means is that uh residents, members of this community and businesses are eligible for a um uh tax uh deduction by donating to the police foundation and we can leverage those donations uh so there may be businesses that want to contribute to that then we can use that uh to then uh [2:15:00, 2:15:02]: Uh install additional [2:15:03, 2:15:08]: cameras and other pieces of technology into uh communities that aren't able to do that themselves. [2:15:08, 2:15:11]: Okay, uh just a follow up on that. If [2:15:11, 2:15:14]: If a community that that doesn't have an HOA [2:15:15, 2:15:20]: And they say that they want this and they get a eighty percent of the people say they want it. [2:15:21, 2:15:26]: Systematically is there something that could be put in place that those parcels [2:15:26, 2:15:36]: that the city installs it and those parcels, those those parcels, whoever lives in that house, pays that on their bills, whatever bill they have. [2:15:37, 2:15:57]: I'm not sure I I couldn't. I don't I don't know if that could work. Like you you see what I'm saying? It would be something that would come on a bill for those who it doesn't matter if they change whoever comes in the house for that though those addresses would get a bill. We can research that. We can reach out to to Flock. We're actually in conversations with them now about the [2:15:57, 2:16:17]: Installation of the cameras, assuming that you all approve this, uh, we can move forward discussions with them to implement those and have some conversations to see if they're dealing with other communities that may have similar uh a similar situation. Yeah, that that'll be good, Chief, because that th those are the comp those are the questions I get. And in fact, Ms. Jones that was just here, she she just left Law. [2:16:17, 2:16:20]: While she's in one of those situations where they have a [2:16:20, 2:16:40]: tight net uh community, but they don't have an HOA. So, you know, I'm just wanting to know what can we say is to those communities that don't have HOAs uh for a system like this that is very, very, very, very good. Yeah. Okay. Appreciate Miss uh Barber, go ahead please. I I just wanted to commend [2:16:40, 2:16:46]: And Captain Anderson, thank you. Um I know that the police department um is a huge [2:16:46, 2:16:47]: Um [2:16:48, 2:16:52]: Part of our operating budget, and to hear you consistently. [2:16:53, 2:16:56]: Coming to us with uh grant awards um [2:16:56, 2:17:02]: helps us a lot. So thank you. Thank you for consistently looking. [2:17:02, 2:17:05]: And identifying ways to bring funding back to us. Thank you. [2:17:06, 2:17:07]: Who's Alexander? [2:17:07, 2:17:15]: Absolutely, I certainly concur on those words. Uh Mr Washington, are you over there? You come to the podium, sir. [2:17:18, 2:17:38]: Now we just got through discussing a recommendation uh made by the chief, which is that as we go forth and we improve as we approve new subdivisions and developments that we will require uh this camera technology. Is that what that was your assessment, Chief? Yes sir. [2:17:38, 2:17:58]: So what do we need to do to actually get the legislation together so that this council could actually consider the pass that I certainly would like to know what the council thinks about that to be able to go ahead and pass that legislation so that every time we build a new subdivision or a new development that that camera technology that [2:17:58, 2:18:18]: Flock technology is included from day one. I support that. I would certainly like to see that being put together. And then also, I know I had sent you some communication about it, about this new ordinance that had been passed in DeCav County and the city of Atlanta where they were having those. [2:18:18, 2:18:38]: cameras installed at the gas stations because they were having so many issues and especially with us having so much interstate access to be able to look at uh having those high definition cameras because it seems like every time something happens their camera's not working or somebody's camera's not working. Chief, chime in on your thoughts about the gas [2:18:37, 2:18:46]: station uh cameras and then we can talk about the uh having the legislation put forth on establishing flog. [2:18:47, 2:19:06]: Yeah, I I think that um a lot of that needs to be contingent on where you're having uh high number of instances. So we would have to look at our crime mapping and see um the frequency. So obviously if you're in the one hundred thirty eight North Henry corridor and you're operating business over there, we obviously have a lot of problems over there. And I think that it would be feasible. Um [2:19:06, 2:19:26]: You know, there may be some areas, however, where there's not a lot of traffic, there's not a lot of crime, and so to impose that on a business owner in that community, um, I think there had be some discussions as it relates to that, but it's certainly valuable uh technology that we would want to uh have in place, particularly in areas where the crime data would uh justify and I believe in many of the cases [2:19:26, 2:19:46]: That you're referencing. Um, that was the fact there, that there had been a number of of incidents at these locations. They had become quote unquote problem locations, and it was a requirement for them to implement um cameras there. And I don't know that it's just gas stations. I mean, we have a couple of hotels that we probably could uh, you know, urge to implement that technology and [2:19:46, 2:20:06]: Those places also to help uh deter crime. As a matter of fact, uh we recently had we're dealing with um a group of serial burglars, much like the entering autos that are operating all over the city. And they broke into a couple of businesses here in the city, and all four businesses broken into, none of them had operational uh cameras. So um, you know, those things, those [2:20:06, 2:20:26]: Those things are value added and uh do help us definitely tie people to those crimes. And as the uh crime data indicates, I think that it would be a a worthwhile investment requirement for those businesses to implement that technology. Well, maybe as uh I let the like I said the rest of the council to chime in, but I'd like to see you bring some information back on uh potential. [2:20:26, 2:20:46]: putting that program together where we do uh encourage especially those along high crime areas to be able to require them uh to have cameras. But uh Mr. Washington will you speak about uh the the legislation necessary to establish uh going forward each new division. [2:20:46, 2:20:50]: subdivision or b development that they require these cameras. [2:20:50, 2:21:10]: Right. So we can draft an ordinance. The question is the enforcement mechanism and who it would be with from a from this perspective. Individual people will still be buying land and buying houses, but if you're looking at subdivisions and you have to contract with a developer when the developer is coming in, so that that's part of the conditions that they would have. So that can either be done out of [2:21:10, 2:21:30]: community development or we can do an ordinance because the but the ordinance would need to state where you would want the cameras to be and the specificity that you would want them because if you're going to do an ordinance it won't be tailored to individual communities unless you have carved exceptions and someone to monitor that on our side as the [2:21:30, 2:21:49]: city. So if you're gonna do an ordinance that says all subdivisions above 10 houses has to have X number of cameras, it can be done that way. But if you want individual consideration to be given to individual communities and tailor it that way, then that would be probably separate from an ordinance. And then the final thing that on the other side of that is that [2:21:49, 2:21:58]: The funding mechanism, would that be that the people would pay for that that are part of the communities, or would that be something that the cities would pay for? And that would just need to be explained in the if it if it is going to be an ordinance. [2:21:59, 2:22:19]: Well certainly I think that would be the the the goal is that you added protection when you move in when a new zoning when a developer comes to us to go ahead and approve that. I'd like to know what the rest of the council thinks about it. Well I'll I'll tell you what, I'll chime in at this point. I think that uh ordinance would be more appropriate for that and and to lay out everything and that way it um is is [2:22:19, 2:22:37]: would be law. It'd be law. And uh would think that they would have to those individual communities uh have to work it out with the details that developer and those individual communities would have to fund that themselves. I would think that we would not be funding all that for all those individual communities themselves. This is my initial thoughts anyway. Thanks. Yes sir go ahead. [2:22:38, 2:22:43]: Um I I like the direction of that, but I just wanna make sure that we get um [2:22:44, 2:23:01]: information on because that's the difference between installation and sustainability amounts. What is the sustainability amounts? What's the installation and then what's the overall cost for the year? That's what you have to look at because if you got a subdivision, a new subdivision only have thirty ho homes in it. [2:23:01, 2:23:05]: You know, just a small subdivision, we put that stipulation out there. [2:23:05, 2:23:25]: Then what is the overall yearly cost that's gonna be spread out to those homeowners? You know, and s so it you know, it's good to have all the information in. I mean, you we're obviously not gonna make a decision. But now just so we could that's something I wouldn't know. So if you if you tell me we want five cameras in a subdivision, is [2:23:25, 2:23:40]: you do have that latitude, but do you want to legislate down into the type of camera system, et cetera? Because that's gonna be the only way you determine cost, unless you're going to just allow that to be on the HOA that would be putting the cameras in there to meet the specifications. [2:23:40, 2:23:49]: Uh for for instance, uh and I and I talked to Chief about this. Um, for instance, like say for my instant for instance, my subdivision, Winslow's pretty big subdivision. [2:23:50, 2:23:52]: You only need two. That's at both interests. [2:23:53, 2:23:54]: 'Cause they come in, they gotta go out. [2:23:55, 2:24:15]: So you don't so most subdivisions that are coming on board, they usually have only two entrances. They were seven, they have three, but most of they have two inches. So you don't need them throughout the community. You just need them at the entrances to the community. So you want so the legislation that you want drafted would be for cameras at the exit and entrance to the subdivision. That's the right. Yeah. [2:24:15, 2:24:22]: That would be appropriate. Uh talking of cheap, you you made perfectly good sense of that. You know, if you come in, you gotta go out. [2:24:22, 2:24:42]: You know, so Yeah, I would tell you though, I I have a slightly different opinion. I would think that in and out, but also those high traffic areas, so she's amenities area or uh wherever you get a lot of traffic with people, that's where I would think you would want to add them as well. And and of course where I live and where Miss Gansler is a little bigger than Windsor, so we need a little more camera space. [2:24:42, 2:24:50]: Th therefore therefore flight cameras are for identifying what the I think. [2:24:50, 2:24:55]: Yeah, but but I don't think we wanna put that on someone to say, Hey, if you got a clubhouse [2:24:55, 2:25:04]: Hey, you need to put a flock camera in a clubhouse. No, I mean that's what that's what I'm asking. Like the direction you want the ordinance to go in, that's what's gotta be clear. Because if we're gonna do an ordinance as opposed to [2:25:04, 2:25:08]: Letting a department work this out with them. My ordinance has to say that. [2:25:08, 2:25:09]: For every [2:25:09, 2:25:29]: An ordinance has to be specific as to how the camera determination will be made. And so if it's going to be for every 10 houses you have a camera, or if it's going to be entrance or exit, if it's going to be entrance, exit, community, you know, community spaces you have, a camera per community space, if it's, you know, the swimming pool, if it's the clubhouse, if it's [2:25:29, 2:25:35]: Yo, that's what we just have to be clear on so the legislation takes that into effect. So that's that's what I'm saying. [2:25:35, 2:25:42]: That would be direction from you all. Most places that have clubhouses have HOAs. Most places that have pools have HOAs. [2:25:43, 2:25:46]: Right. And so I'm looking at for the city. [2:25:46, 2:25:47]: policem. [2:25:48, 2:25:51]: that we're concerned who's coming in, who's going out. [2:25:51, 2:25:57]: They be the HOA should be concerned on where you see them at inside the community. That's my opinion. [2:25:58, 2:26:18]: Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Um I I think it's it's it's a great discussion, great item. It just appears that we need more uh more discussion and more research and analysis before a decision can be made. I don't I don't from what I'm hearing, I don't think a decision can be made today. Well of course, sir. [2:26:18, 2:26:38]: Yeah, go ahead, please. Well what I would like to do is I don't want us to decide. I want the chief and the department to decide, and I want the professionals to make the decision on what is the recommendation and best practices. I don't think we should be making the decision. And what is the best recommendation? What do the security experts say? Let's lay on them [2:26:38, 2:26:46]: And depend on you all to bring back the recommendation to us on what the best practice is. I think that's the best way to operate this. [2:26:46, 2:26:59]: All right, Ms. Gantt, you had some comments, please. I I did. I have a whole bunch of questions about flock cameras and whether or not we can impose that on the subdivisions and all kind of stuff. So I would like [2:26:59, 2:27:03]: Um more information. I know it's a positive thing. I I would definitely [2:27:04, 2:27:24]: I mean without the flock cameras, I don't think they would have been able to trace the incident that happened not even a month ago. Um but at the same time to impose it on new developments versus telling old subdivisions they have to have them and who's in charge of paying [2:27:23, 2:27:43]: for them, I have a whole bunch of questions. So I think we would have to research that a little bit more. Um putting it in an ordinance, I I don't know. I don't know if we need it in a a code, you know. Um it sounds like something that we would put as a condition to new developments, maybe. [2:27:43, 2:28:03]: um especially um commercial new developments definitely um but I don't know the ins and outs. I don't know what it costs. I don't know, you know, based off of the amount and all that good stuff. So I I definitely want a little bit more details on it, but it's it's a start to to something for us to think about, definitely. [2:28:04, 2:28:04]: All right. [2:28:05, 2:28:11]: Any more comments? If not, there's a motion on the floor. It's been uh uh s uh made and seconded. So all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:28:13, 2:28:23]: Motion. Acceptance of the grant. It's accept yes, acceptance of the grant. Acceptance of the grant. Is it all all can all approved? Okay, so now it's decision. Um congratulations, matter of fact. [2:28:26, 2:28:33]: Unanimous decision. Yes, sir. Then regarding the presentation, do you all it's an unanimous decision. Everybody voted for it. [2:28:35, 2:28:37]: The motion was originally when [2:28:37, 2:28:38]: Wasn't me. [2:28:38, 2:28:39]: I thought you risen and made a motion. [2:28:40, 2:28:42]: I thought I thought I was there, Bruce made emotion. [2:28:44, 2:29:04]: Okay, excited about nine hundred five thousand dollars. Okay. I need a need a motion to to accept okay. Ms. Barber Sagan, all favor please indicate. Yeah, you're right. For the for the council regarding the last um um item that was mentioned, uh that would be a presentation. [2:29:03, 2:29:10]: We would do the research and present that back to you. Is there a a time frame in which you all would like to have us brief back on that information? [2:29:11, 2:29:12]: Okay. [2:29:12, 2:29:14]: Fantastic how soon? [2:29:14, 2:29:17]: Thir would thirty days be good or or do you need more time than that, do you think? [2:29:18, 2:29:19]: I think we can do it in [2:29:20, 2:29:30]: Yeah. Thirty days. So one so we're looking at September's uh eleventh. September eleventh. In Africa probe, September eleventh. All right. In that something. Okay, good deal. Thank you, sir. [2:29:32, 2:29:43]: All right. What would be next uh would be Mr Blount, sir. We added the uh item to the agenda for you for discussion and approval. [2:29:44, 2:29:46]: Yeah, Pastor, this uh [2:29:46, 2:29:57]: item comes to you because uh when we previously looked at honoring uh pastor spence, um he founded Global back in two thousand and six. [2:29:57, 2:30:00]: And since Global came into the city of Stockbridge. [2:30:01, 2:30:05]: uh global impact Christian mini an under his leadership. [2:30:06, 2:30:08]: has supported the city of Stockbridge tremendously. [2:30:09, 2:30:18]: This city's seen more volunteers than they've seen by any entity uh within the city limits and the surrounding areas through Global Impact Christian Ministry. [2:30:19, 2:30:24]: And what Pastor Spence uh encompassed and what he believed in is that [2:30:25, 2:30:45]: When you make your community better, you make people better. When you do what you do to make everything in your life better, uh we all grow. We all grow in a way that uh that we've never seen before. Pastor Spence was uh his untimely death and all that he stood for at Global Impact Christmas. [2:30:45, 2:31:05]: Ministry and all that he stood for, not only in this county, but uh respected uh uh around surrounding counties. Um he was not only uh a great pastor, but he was also, I served with him as his minister, as his armor bearer, and I can also say he was my friend. [2:31:04, 2:31:23]: And the things that Pastor Spencer Global has encompassed and achieved through supporting businesses, supporting the elderly, supporting kids, adopting Smith Barnes Elementary, that's uh around the corner for them, uh, and just doing so much for the community, and they continue to do it. [2:31:23, 2:31:26]: Um the uh baton has been passed to [2:31:26, 2:31:28]: Uh Pastor Colicia O'Neill. [2:31:29, 2:31:32]: And I had a conversation with Pastor Calicia O'Neill. [2:31:33, 2:31:35]: Uh last week, an extensive conversation. [2:31:36, 2:31:52]: And one of the things that have happened with trying to name the street uh Pastor Spencer T. O'Neill Road is that from Tie Street to Rock Quarry is all businesses. From Tide Street to [2:31:52, 2:31:56]: Walt Stevens is nine houses and two of those houses. [2:31:56, 2:31:58]: Um, I think you're abandoned. [2:31:59, 2:32:01]: Or they're not lived in. [2:32:01, 2:32:11]: But it also encompasses a a church, um I think it's a nice monumental. And one of the things that happened the last time that we were talk was talking about it [2:32:12, 2:32:26]: is that people didn't want the businesses didn't want to change their letter heads and this and and you have to under they they didn't want to change the letter heads. Nice monument Mendo said, Hey, this is Red Oak Road, we don't want to change. One of the things that global impact [2:32:27, 2:32:28]: Stands for [2:32:29, 2:32:30]: Is peace. [2:32:31, 2:32:32]: Peace. [2:32:33, 2:32:49]: And one of the things that this global impact would not do is get into an argument or get into any coun conflict or anything controversial that says we it's a conflict to honor Pastor Spence. [2:32:50, 2:33:10]: Spencer T. O'Neill. And so one of the things I talked to her about that I'm bringing to this council today is the same thing I've seen at other areas that have churches that made an impact in their community. And on the on this signage, street signage, there's another sign on top of it saying honorary to whoever that person is. And I'm asking [2:33:09, 2:33:14]: asking for an honorary uh Pastor Spencer T. O'Neill uh road. [2:33:15, 2:33:35]: This doesn't change the name Red Oak. It doesn't change, it doesn't even have the the church doesn't even have to change their letter heads. No one has to change their letter heads. And it becomes a peaceful transition uh for the church, and it becomes a peaceful transition in honoring uh Pastor Spence. Um [2:33:35, 2:33:47]: I think that to do it this way, uh, and talking to her, uh uh talking to Pastor Colishaan doing it this way, um, I think that everyone is at peace with this decision. [2:33:49, 2:33:58]: I second. Okay. Is there further discussion? Discussion? Go right ahead, sir. [2:33:58, 2:34:18]: The issue is certainly the church or uh Pastor Galicia would be okay with it either way, but we certainly can go the extra mile. You know, when they changed the name of Bankhead to Donnelly Parkoil, you know, parkway, Holloway Parkway, there were numerous businesses along the roadway. [2:34:18, 2:34:36]: That's always gonna be the case. But if you truly want to go the extra mile, then you know, it's not there's no written rule that says Red Oak Road cannot be changed. When we change Martin Luther King's senior heritage from North Berry Street, uh to honor the great uh Daddy King. [2:34:36, 2:34:39]: It was certainly appropriate in order to [2:34:39, 2:34:59]: Do what's necessary in order to change the dynamic there. Now, certainly it's up to the council to do uh what is necessary to move forward, but you know, no one's gonna start calling the Red Oak Road uh in honor of Pastor Spence unless the name is changed officially. But of course, that's not up to me. That's up to the group. [2:34:59, 2:35:05]: greater deed uh of the initial council. Of course the businesses are all is gonna be like, well, you know, it's gonna take change. [2:35:06, 2:35:17]: You know, it is change. We talked about changing the names of several some institutions around the city. It's just it's just what it is. When time comes and the change is put on the docket. [2:35:17, 2:35:37]: then we have to consider all elements. I certainly would would uh be satisfied with either way that we go, but at the same time, if you want to go the full way, then you could do you could actually change the physical name of the road and then make it happen. But you know, that's that's not up to me total solely. I like to know what other members think. [2:35:37, 2:35:57]: But you know, it's just not up to me. Any comments from the council? Yeah. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Briefly. I was very instrumental in the naming, the renaming of M. L. King Harris's trail. And um and I do understand um the difficulty in [2:35:57, 2:36:17]: And doing that uh for even for residential and commercial businesses to change their addresses, logo, you know, all of the printing that goes with that. And I understand both sides of this discussion, but I am um and would honor. [2:36:17, 2:36:37]: The desires of the church and of the wife. And I understand, you know, I would love for it to be just write out name Pencil Steel O'Neill, but I'm going to lean toward honoring the church and his widow. [2:36:38, 2:36:40]: Okay, any other comments? [2:36:40, 2:36:44]: Yes sir. Just make a closing comment, uh if you will, Mayor. [2:36:44, 2:36:45]: Correct. [2:36:45, 2:36:50]: One of the things that I when when when this first when pastor Spence passed [2:36:50, 2:36:56]: Um, there's a person named Chris Thorne that came to me. He's past the Spence Armor Barrett at the time. [2:36:57, 2:36:58]: Um [2:36:58, 2:37:08]: And one of the first thing he said that this road needs to be named Pastor Spence. Spen after Pastor Spence. And this while when we did it initially, [2:37:08, 2:37:10]: But I still and I reiterate [2:37:11, 2:37:13]: The church is not a church of conflict. [2:37:13, 2:37:15]: And they're not a church of confusion. [2:37:16, 2:37:18]: And if something happens later down the road. [2:37:19, 2:37:21]: It's still in the city limits of Stockbridge. [2:37:22, 2:37:28]: But right now my discussion with Pastor Kalicia is that she's honored. [2:37:28, 2:37:36]: that the city would even think about even honoring Pastor Spence as an honorary uh Pastor Spencer T O'Neill Road. [2:37:36, 2:37:56]: And so at this point, it cuts down conflict and it cuts down confusion. And that's not what the church needs right now because the church is growing in a positive direction. They're reaching out through the community. And all we, all this church wants to see is where Pastor Spencer left it, that the mantle has been. [2:37:56, 2:38:01]: passed and it's continued to be moved. Pastor Spencer's always said [2:38:01, 2:38:05]: If it's conflict and confusion, look at the decision you're making. [2:38:06, 2:38:07]: He said that to me before. [2:38:08, 2:38:20]: Because wherever there's a lack of understanding, it only breeds two things conflict and confusion. And this is why this move today is being made this way. [2:38:21, 2:38:41]: Okay, any other comments? I have one. Yes, yes, ma'am, go ahead, please. Um as a member of Global Impact, I am honored um that we are doing this for Pastor Spence. I agree with Councilman Blount. Um and we can always revisit sometime down the road if we need to. There are a lot of very active [2:38:41, 2:38:48]: active businesses on that street, um, warehouses and all kinds of things going on over there. Um [2:38:49, 2:39:09]: But I I uh Pastor Spence and I think we all can agree um was so impactful to our community, not just the city of Stockbridge, but Henry County, Clayton County, and surrounding counties. And we can't put, you know, uh a uh [2:39:09, 2:39:15]: to me there's not enough signage that we could put up anywhere, um, in his honor and in his name. [2:39:16, 2:39:24]: But this is a small token of our appreciation in Stockbridge as a thank you to the sacrifices and the things that impacted us here in the city. [2:39:26, 2:39:30]: Okay, if if there's no other comments, uh motion to made and and second. So all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:39:32, 2:39:44]: 'Cause your name is Okay, outstanding. Okay, what's next is uh Mirapal Tim, you wanna bring an item to I do deals with homestead exemption, separate tanks, systems? The floor is yours. [2:39:46, 2:39:52]: Um I just wanted the memo that was provided by legal to be read into the minutes. [2:39:54, 2:39:57]: Okay. Mr. Washington, are you able to [2:40:09, 2:40:11]: So just read the entire thing. [2:40:17, 2:40:21]: I got some Barber, do you want me to just start at the beginning and read the entire thing? Yes, please. Okay. [2:40:48, 2:41:08]: To Stockbridge City Council from Samantha Embry, Associate Attorney, re-homestead exemptions for homes on septic systems in the city of Stockbridge, date August 11, 2023. At the council budget retreat held on August 10th, 2023, Mayor Pro Tem Yolanda Barber requested a written legal opinion on whether the City of Stockbridge can grant homestead exemptions to [2:41:08, 2:41:09]: Homeowners with septic tanks. [2:41:10, 2:41:30]: Part two background. Pursuant to recent legislative actions, the Stockbridge City Council has promulgated a series of homestead exemptions for its constituents. Subsequent to this enactment, the Council has sought legal clarification regarding its authority to confer an additional, distinct exemption specifically tailored to residents whose domiciles are equipped with septic systems. [2:41:30, 2:41:49]: Homestead exemptions are statutory provisions typically established by state or local governing entities. Their primary purpose is to provide tax relief to homeowners regarding their primary residences. By applying these exemptions, the assessed value of the property for taxation purposes is effectively reduced, leading to diminished tax liability for the homeowner. [2:41:50, 2:42:02]: Point three issue The core question at hand is whether the city of Stockbridge has the authority of discretion to grant specific homestead exemptions to homeowners who have septic systems installed on their properties. [2:42:03, 2:42:23]: Section four, intersection of homestead exemptions and septic systems intersection of homestead exemptions and septic systems. Homes with septic systems may garner attention to due to one rural incentives. Jurisdictions might offer tax incentives to homes in rural areas of those lacking centralized wastewater facilities. Point two in [2:42:23, 2:42:43]: Environmental incentives. Some areas might favor environmentally friendly septic tank systems that protect water sources. Three, infrastructure considerations. To relieve burden municipal wastewater infrastructure, septic systems might be incentivized. Four, septic maintenance financial provisions. Some jurisdictions provide financial [2:42:43, 2:42:46]: financial support to homeowners for septic system upkeep. [2:42:46, 2:43:00]: Section four Homestead Exemptions. Georgia offers a variety of exemptions from standard exemptions for to those for senior citizens, disabled veterans, and surviving spouses of service members or public safety officers. They're outlined below. [2:43:01, 2:43:07]: The standard homestead exemption is under OCGA section forty eight dash five dash forty four. [2:43:07, 2:43:22]: Georgia residents' primary residences may qualify for a$2,000 exemption from certain county and school taxes. Exemptions for individuals 65 and older. That's codified under OCGA section 48-5-47. [2:43:23, 2:43:28]: Those sixty five and older can claim a four thousand dollar exemption contingent on income restrictions. [2:43:28, 2:43:44]: Additional exemption for individuals 62 and older for educational purposes is covered under OCGA section 48-5-52. This exemption, subject to income restrictions, offers relief from certain advalorum taxes. [2:43:45, 2:43:51]: The floating inflation proof exemption, which is under OCGA forty eight dash five dash forty seven point one. [2:43:52, 2:43:58]: Individuals sixty two and older can get an exemption based on the homestead increased appraisal value. [2:43:59, 2:44:19]: Disabled veteran or surviving spouse. Veterans with specific disabilities may get an exemption on their homestead up to a certain amount. Surviving spouse of U.S. member, OCGA section forty eight-five dash fifty two point one. Unmarried spouses of service members who died in war or armed conflict are eligible for [2:44:19, 2:44:20]: for an exemption. [2:44:20, 2:44:40]: Surviving spouse of peace officer or firefighter OCGA Section forty eight dash five dash forty eight point four. Spouses of peace officers or firefighters who died in the line of duty are eligible for a full value homestead exemption. Section five. Local municipality homestead exemptions in Georgia. [2:44:40, 2:45:00]: The power of local municipalities to create homestead exemptions is rooted in both the state and state constitution and statutory provisions. While the state sets the baseline for homestead exemptions, granting broad tax relief to homeowners for their primary residences, local governing entities have the discretion to introduce additional exemptions tailored to [2:45:00, 2:45:09]: To their unique needs and circumstances. Such local exemptions often arise from the recognition of specific challenges or priorities within the municipality. [2:45:09, 2:45:12]: be it economic, demographic, or infrastructural. [2:45:12, 2:45:22]: Nevertheless, while local municipalities have this power, any newly proposed homestead exemption must adhere to Georgia's legal framework and often requires ratification through local referenda. [2:45:22, 2:45:26]: ensuring that residents have a voice in decisions that affect their tax liabilities. [2:45:27, 2:45:47]: The general framework for homestead exemptions in Georgia is provided under Title forty eight Revenue and Taxation of the Official Code of Georgia annotated, specifically OCGA Section forty eight dash five dash forty through OCGA section forty eight dash five dash fifty two for the provisions that detail homestead exemptions. [2:45:47, 2:45:47]: [9947.9, 9961.2]: Answer. While Georgia provides various homestead exemptions, the city of Stockbridge has the discretion to establish specific exemptions for homes on septic systems as long as they adhere to state constitutional statutory provision. [2:46:01, 2:46:03]: The sample ordinance offers a framework [2:46:03, 2:46:08]: For such a provision, proper legal review and public input should be sought before any adoption. [2:46:08, 2:46:28]: Sample ordinance City of Stockbridge, Georgia, ordinance number XXXX XX. An ordinance granting a homestead exemption for homes with septic tanks. This is a draft. Whereas the City Council of Stockbridge recognized the unique challenges and benefits homes with septic systems present, now therefore. [2:46:28, 2:46:48]: The city of Stockbridge hereby ordains. Point one, homestead exemption for septic systems. Any primary residence within the city of Stockbridge utilizing a septic system shall be granted a$2,500 exemption from the city property taxes. Point two, homeowners must provide proof of primary residency within Stockbridge, be demonstrated. [2:46:48, 2:46:53]: their home utilize the septic system through appropriate documentation. Three. [2:46:53, 2:47:13]: Application process. Homeowners wishing to claim this exemption must submit an application to the City Tax Commissioner by a specified deadline. There is a caveat to the City Tax Commissioner here in Stockbridge. Point four Duration. This exemption is renewal renewable annually subject to continued eligibility. Effective date. [2:47:13, 2:47:21]: This ordinance shall take effect on an effective date following its passage and approval adopted this blank day of this blank month, this blank year. [2:47:23, 2:47:25]: Good thank you, sir. Appreciate that. Okay. [2:47:25, 2:47:37]: I believe that is that is it for that particular task. Lid you have any further comments? I did. I wanted to know also, um, so with the other tax exemptions, the cafeteria list that [2:47:37, 2:47:41]: Mr. Wall said he was gonna bring back to us. I wanted to know if [2:47:42, 2:47:46]: This particular exemption would also be included in that list. [2:47:46, 2:47:49]: Of cafeteria or is this separate? [2:47:50, 2:47:54]: Is this something separate that the council needs to approve? [2:47:54, 2:47:57]: If the council is going to approve it, then the avoidance of the council will approve it. [2:47:58, 2:48:15]: Will we need to approve an ordinance for the other tax exemptions that we make? Okay. Okay. Well then my next question, I'm sorry. Um when the count during our final [2:48:15, 2:48:16]: Public hearing. [2:48:16, 2:48:18]: to adopt the military aid. [2:48:18, 2:48:20]: We approved and conditioned. [2:48:20, 2:48:21]: To include [2:48:21, 2:48:22]: Tax exemptions. [2:48:23, 2:48:24]: Including [2:48:24, 2:48:25]: The septic. [2:48:25, 2:48:27]: system exemption. [2:48:28, 2:48:32]: Do we now need to also approve this? [2:48:32, 2:48:35]: I can speak with Madam Clark about that. You can have that in notes, Madam Clark. [2:48:43, 2:48:54]: So as I recall, the exemptions um that you just referenced, uh, Mayor Pro Tem Barber, was included in the motion. Thank you. [2:48:57, 2:49:05]: We okay. So is you you you assume that so I guess we need to ver verify that with with the official document I would imagine. [2:49:06, 2:49:26]: Mayor. We haven't even established the things that we're going to do. No, what it was supposed to be the information was supposed to be brought back. Okay, all right. Then we gotta wait for the information to come back then. Mayor, if I may. So with the in regards to the exemptions here, it basically answered stating because at the time of the hearing, at the at the time [2:49:26, 2:49:31]: [10171.4, 10186.1]: r already listed for septic and that is not true. What we're what this thing what this memo says is we can come up with whatever kind of exemptions we want. So I don't want anyone to get confused and think that [2:49:46, 2:49:50]: the first when it came up, like, oh yeah, there like there's a [2:49:51, 2:49:54]: actual septic exemption, there's no such thing. [2:49:54, 2:49:58]: I'm not against it, but I think we're supposed to get [2:49:59, 2:50:07]: a a lot of different information and we determine right what type of exemptions we want. Right. So this [2:50:08, 2:50:11]: I d I don't understand. I mean we had already established [2:50:11, 2:50:12]: That [2:50:12, 2:50:31]: We have a right to determine what we want to exempt. This says the s exact same thing we have been saying, but there's no law that says septic gets an exemption. Not that I'm against it. I'm saying there's no law that says that. So this is reading what we already discussed. That's all. [2:50:31, 2:50:32]: All right. [2:50:32, 2:50:41]: I just wanted to if I may please I just wanted to just for the record when we were discussing the millage rate [2:50:41, 2:50:41]: Um [2:50:41, 2:50:46]: I said that I would not approve um the millage without conditions. [2:50:46, 2:50:50]: To include tax exemptions, including [2:50:50, 2:50:51]: The exemption [2:50:51, 2:50:53]: For septic taints. So [2:50:54, 2:50:57]: As long as when Mr Walls or [2:50:57, 2:51:04]: Commissioner Harris, whoever is gonna bring us back the list of exemptions, as long as they also include [2:51:04, 2:51:08]: the exemption for accepting, then we should just be f we should be fine. [2:51:09, 2:51:10]: All right. [2:51:10, 2:51:14]: Thank you. 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Main Street Advisory Board meeting second Friday of each month. Welcome center located 1:30 Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail, 9 a.m. September 8th. City Council meeting second Monday. [2:52:17, 2:52:37]: Of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chamber, September 11th. U Council meeting, 6:30 p.m. second Monday of each month, City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, City Hall, September 11th. Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, September 12th. The Planning Commission meeting 6 30 [2:52:37, 2:52:57]: p.m city hall council chambers fourth Thursday of each month September 28th and join us for the Food Truck Tasty Tuesday 5:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. at Clark Community Park, 111 Davis Road, lots of great food activities for everyone. The last Food Truck Tasty Tuesday event of the 2023 season is August 29th. [2:52:57, 2:53:17]: Join Councilman Thomas for Don't Trash Stockbridge Initiative centered around educational highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping. More information to follow. Councilman Thomas is honoring veterans with continued salute to all year long. Please send the pictures of veterans with their name, branch, rank, years of service to R. [2:53:17, 2:53:27]: Rawls at City of Stockbridge dash G A dot G O V. Join Councilman Blount for Bingo Bass Wednesday, August 16th from 10 a.m. to 12 noon. [2:53:27, 2:53:47]: Romanor Scott Center located 111 Davis Road. And join me, Mayor Ford, to meet the mayor Monday, August 28th from 10 a.m. to noon. Please contact Ross and Rawls to schedule an appointment at 678-833-3348 or email R Rawls R R A D. [2:53:47, 2:54:07]: Also on sponsoring event on August 23rd, which is Wednesday at Merman's Conference Center, 10 a.m. to noon, which is the educational interactive workshop for seniors and veterans. So come veterans and seniors to get uh educated on Medicare planning and options. [2:54:07, 2:54:27]: And good health care information and advice. Also, I'm also sponsoring an event on August 26th, which is a Saturday, Merrill Man's Conference Center called a Coalition of One. This do it deals with Military and Veteran Expo. It's a free event. Both events are actually free. Also, Merle Manders Conference Center, that's on the 26th of August, 10 a.m. [2:54:27, 2:54:47]: To 4 p.m. and discussing veteran issues, concerns, and needs, caregiver programs, types of aids and assistance, burial benefits, and estate planning. Okay. Coalition on one August 26th as well. And my initial comments would be fact that uh obviously, oh my back up forward, here we go. Get your tickets for upcoming 20. [2:54:47, 2:55:05]: 2023 concert ser concert series by visiting stockbridge uhp.com or visit our ticket office located 4650 North Heming Boulevard Thursday to Saturday, 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. That is our will call ticket area, Thursday to Saturday from 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. [2:55:05, 2:55:07]: And um [2:55:07, 2:55:11]: My initial comments are that that we had a wonderful, outstanding concert this past Saturday. [2:55:12, 2:55:32]: With Patty LaBelle in Vogue, and believe it or not, Stockbridge and Patty LaBelle was on located. We were featured in uh People magazine because of the outstanding concert. And it says Stockbridge Ampitheater, Stockbridge, Georgia. So I mean, what a way to go. Patty brings it once again. So that was fantastic. And on that note, this [2:55:32, 2:55:40]: Saturday we have Tower of Power and Ohio players. So uh I'm pretty sure the ticket's still available. Come on, let's have to have a sold-out show. [2:55:40, 2:56:00]: This Saturday, eight o'clock Tower Power and Ohio players. And once again, folks, you gotta be healthy and uh so you eat right, right? Take your vitamins and get your COVID shot, your vaccinations, and and uh we want you to live a long life. And on that note, uh believe it or not, council, uh we actually have uh as [2:56:00, 2:56:20]: Zackle session. You're going to Zach Session, we have some real estate issues that Mr. Lawnston wants to uh talk to us about. So far. I also want to announce I have a uh business expo. Um partnered with uh my sorority, Psy Alpha Mega, Alpha Kappa Alpha. It's gonna be on October 1st at Merrill Manders. It's a business expo. So uh look be on the look. [2:56:20, 2:56:26]: look out for emails including with the vendors in f for vendor um information. [2:56:26, 2:56:29]: All right. So I need a motion to go into the stable session, please. [2:56:29, 2:56:33]: So moved I I move that we go into an executive session for real estate issues. [2:56:33, 2:56:34]: Okay, is there a second? [2:56:36, 2:56:38]: Okay, and all fair please indicate. [2:56:39, 2:56:42]: Okay, we'll we'll we'll be back, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. [2:56:55, 2:56:55]: Yeah. [2:57:02, 2:57:22]: All right, Council, I need a motion to end the executor session, please. So move. Is there a second? Miss Barber, second down from Alexander. Miss Barber, all in favor, please indicate. All right. Now council, we have nothing to report from the second session, so I need a motion to end our city council meeting. So move. Okay. Okay, Miss uh Mr. from Gantt. [2:57:22, 2:57:28]: to uh Mr. Alexander Onfair, please indicate. Our meetings adjourned. God bless you all. Thank you. Thank you. [2:57:31, 2:57:31]: Yeah.