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--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2023-06-12 source: 2023-06-12_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:02:51, 0:03:11]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, if you don't mind, we're gonna get started with the meeting. And this is actually what you call our proclamation. This is our ceremonial part of our meeting here. The actual uh we're live right now on Facebook, by the way, just so you know that. So otherwise any type of conversation could easily picked up on the mic. Uh so otherwise we got a tight schedule, we've got several different proclamations. [0:03:11, 0:03:24]: we wanna read this evening and the comments for those individuals. And we're going to actually start tonight with Caribbean, National Caribbean American Heritage Month. And I know there's at least one individual here that's set to receive this. So come on up, man. Okay. [0:03:30, 0:03:32]: How are you doing? Thank you so much. [0:03:33, 0:03:50]: So once again this is a this is one of four for tonight and this is National Caribbean American Heritage Month. Whereas National Caribbean American Month uh is celebrated every June to honor and celebrate America's rich and diverse culture, which also includes the Caribbean American population. [0:03:50, 0:04:10]: People from this community have not only evolved the American culture, but also contributed greatly to the development of the nation in areas of science, medicine, small business owners, teachers, healthcare workers, military service members, community leaders, and so much more. Whereas the month was founded by Dr. Claire Nelson. [0:04:10, 0:04:30]: And was celebrated across the nation for the first time by the Institute of Caribbean Studies in 2000. However, the move to officially declare June as National Caribbean American Month started in 2004 when the legislative bill was passed by Congresswoman Barber Lee. The resolution was made official in 2006 when President George. [0:04:30, 0:04:40]: W. Bush signed a proclamation naming June as National Caribbean American Month. Whereas since our founding, Caribbean Americans, from Alexander Hamilton to Colin Powell, [0:04:40, 0:04:43]: Had contributed to the United States in the most profound ways. [0:04:43, 0:04:46]: Today path makers pathbreakers [0:04:46, 0:04:48]: Лайк супрім кортes. [0:04:48, 0:04:52]: Sonia Sodomayer continue advancing our work toward a more perfect union [0:04:53, 0:04:53]: Union. [0:04:54, 0:05:09]: Uh congratulations to Caribbean Americans for bringing tremendous hope and energy to bear as and whereas the Caribbean American Heritage Month is a chance to celebrate the rich diversity that covenant has brought us and to renew its promise of future generations of Caribbean Americans and for us all. [0:05:10, 0:05:30]: Now therefore I Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority, vested in me as the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members Elton Alexander, Ilana Barber, John Blount, Lakeese Ganon and Afonso Thomas, do hereby proclaim June 2023 as Caribbean American Heritage Month and encourage the Stockbridge community to join in celebrating the history, culture, and achievements. [0:05:30, 0:05:46]: of Caribbean Americans with their appropriate ceremonies and activities. In witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand on the great city of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the tenth day of June of the year of our Lord 2023, and I signed the proclamation along with our clerk Vanessa Holiday. [0:05:47, 0:05:49]: Thank you. [0:05:51, 0:05:54]: This this is good right here. Okay. All right. [0:06:00, 0:06:09]: Thank you. Now, before you go, I always offer individual getting a proclamation, any words of wisdom, any comments you want to make. Sure. So go right here, please. [0:06:09, 0:06:23]: All right, thank you all for having me, especially in the city of Startbridge, where our business is located at one sixty-five Burke Street. Our organization is here to help everyone. [0:06:23, 0:06:42]: Basically in America, who are undocumented to make sure that we have persons becoming legal citizens in the US. So we are here to extend our services to everyone in Henry County, in the state of Georgia, and we also assist in all 50 states. Thank you guys for having me. [0:06:44, 0:06:45]: Thank you. [0:06:48, 0:06:53]: The next proclamation I have is National Pride Month. I wasn't sure if anybody's here to receive this. [0:06:54, 0:06:55]: Okay. [0:06:58, 0:06:59]: Fantastic. [0:07:05, 0:07:25]: How are you? All right. National Pride Month, whereas in June 1969, a courageous group of Americans rose up to protect me to protest the violence and mortarization they faced in what became known as the Stonewall Uprising. Police had raided the Stonewall Inn, a gay bar located in New York City. [0:07:24, 0:07:44]: And for the next six days, they clashed with LGBTQI plus protesters who bravely stood their ground. The courage sparked a civil rights movement for the liberation of the LGBTQI plus community and changed our nation forever. Whereas during lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgesture, trans transgender queer. [0:07:44, 0:08:04]: And Intersects, LGBTQ, Pride Month, reflect on the progress we've made as a nation in the fight for justice, inclusion, and equality, while reaffirming our commitment to do more to support LGBTQI plus rights at home and abroad. Whereas all human beings are born free and equal. [0:08:04, 0:08:24]: Equal in dignity, dignity, and rights, LGBTQ individuals have an immeasurable, immeasurable impact to the cultural, civic, and economic success in our country. And whereas why society at large increasingly supports LGBTQ equality is essential to acknowledge that the need for education [0:08:24, 0:08:44]: Education, awareness remains vital to end discrimination and prejudice. And whereas the this nation has was founded on the principle that every individual has an infinite dignity and worth. The City of Stockbridge embraces his this principle and will continue to work to eliminate prejudice wherever it exists. Now, therefore I, Anthony S. Ford, [0:08:44, 0:09:04]: By virtue of authority of using me as the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and on behalf of City Council members Elton Alexander, Yolanda Barber, John Blount, Lakeese Gantt and Afonso Thomas, to hereby proclaim June 2023 as National Pride Month and call upon the Stockbridge community to recognize the achievements of the LGBTQI plus community and celebrate the great diversity of the community. [0:09:04, 0:09:18]: University in America. In witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand and a great seal to city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the tenth day of June in the year of our Lord 2023, and I signed us along with our clerk for Nessa Holliday. [0:09:33, 0:09:36]: And and as usual Oh oh excuse me. [0:09:40, 0:10:00]: All right. And comments if you'd like. Just clear it up to you. Um I am Lieutenant Driscoll. I'm in the patrol division here at Stockbridge Police Department as a member of the LGBTQIA community. Um it is a blessing and so I'm so happy that now there's more inclusion for people like myself. Um I'm actually newly married. [0:10:00, 0:10:06]: So I'm I'm trying to enjoy that experience as well, but I'm so thankful that Stockbridge supports us. All right. [0:10:07, 0:10:27]: I just want to say thank you. This is one of the things that the City of Stockbridge does and uh to include our diversity and our inclusion and our outreach and welcoming our Americ Welcoming America program. I think is incumbent upon [0:10:27, 0:10:47]: Heterosexual people like myself and others to reach out to the LBGTQ Plus community and let you know right here in the city of Stockbridge. Because it's easy, you know, a lot of times we see it as African Americans. We have people come to our church and tell us that racism is a problem in America. Well, we know that racism is a problem [0:10:47, 0:10:51]: is a problem in America. But sometimes we need others who [0:10:51, 0:11:11]: Uh, understand and sympathize with those uh communities, to understand that we need to speak up in that room and make sure that everybody feels welcome in this city. And we want to send out the unmistakable message that we are here and we understand and that we are with you, and to make sure that no one is discriminated against. [0:11:11, 0:11:17]: against in any place in any pocket of the city of Stockbridge at all. Thank you. [0:11:25, 0:11:45]: And what is next is actually a proclamation for Juneteenth, and we're gonna of course Juneteenth's on June nineteenth, obviously. And uh before I start reading this, I wanna let you know that obviously we're gonna have a great uh event, Juneteenth Celebration Amphitheater, uh which starts at uh three o'clock on Monday and have a whole litany of uh artists. [0:11:45, 0:12:05]: And food trucks and games for the kids and bouncy houses, things of that nature. So a great celebration has come up in a few days. Actually, one week from today, matter of fact. On that note, whereas on June 19th, 1865, about two months after the Confederate General Robert E. Lee surrendered at Appomattox, Virginia, Gordon Granger, the Union general, arrived in Galvan. [0:12:05, 0:12:11]: in Texas to inform enslaved African Americans of their freedom and that the Civil War had ended. [0:12:12, 0:12:32]: General Granger's announcement put into effect the Emancipation Proclamation issued on January first, eighteen sixty three by President Abraham Lincoln. And whereas word about the signing of Emancipation Proclamation was delayed some two and two and a half years to June nineteenth, eighteen sixty five. [0:12:32, 0:12:46]: five in searching excuse me in reaching authorities and African Americans in the South and the Southwest Western part of the United States. Whereas the last uh enslaved African Americans in Texas were pronounced free people and that m uh Mamonis Mamon [0:12:47, 0:12:49]: All right, for get it right. [0:12:50, 0:13:10]: A great moment, a great celebration date, right? June nineteenth, eighteen sixty-five, had been proclaimed as Juneteenth. Combining the words June and uh nineteenth, the holiday had also been called Juneteenth, Independence Day, Freedom Day, or Pax Emancipation Day. Whereas on June 17th, 2021, uh President Biden signed the first time. [0:13:10, 0:13:30]: Signed a bill into law making Juneteenth the 11th holiday recognized by the federal government. All 50 states in the District of Columbia recognize Juneteenth as a holiday or observance. The National Abserbance of Juneteenth provides a fuller and a more accurate portrayal of Americans' history. Whereas on June 19th, each year, we celebrate and honor. [0:13:30, 0:13:41]: African American heritage, history, freedom, and culture with events and ceremonies that reflect the power of the community, family, art and traditions. Now therefore I am Anthony S. Forbes of Virtual Authority vested in me. [0:13:41, 0:14:01]: As the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and on behalf of City Council members Elton, Alexander Lana, Barber, John Blunk, Lakeesia Gannon and Afonso Thomas, do hereby proclaim June 19th, 2023 as Juneteenth Day in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. We call upon everyone to observe Juneteenth as an important milestone in our long march towards equality. Reminder [0:14:01, 0:14:21]: Of great contributions African Americans have made as free citizens of our nation, as well as injustices they suffered as slaves and the courage of our forebearers of all races and creeds who gave their lives to fight against slavery. In witness thereof, I have hereunto set my hand race sealed city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the tenth day of June, year of our [0:14:21, 0:14:26]: Lord two thousand and twenty three and I signed a proclamation along with our Claire Vanessa Holiday. [0:14:30, 0:14:36]: Okay. Well I guess it's just I guess it's just you and I right now. [0:14:36, 0:14:47]: Okay, well yes we we can do we can do that. We can invite anybody come on up come on up and uh take a picture with us as well. Do you wanna help us celebrate Juneteenth? Okay, well come on. Come on Fates. [0:14:56, 0:15:16]: Uh got'cause some folks uh maybe want to double up here. We've got to get on this side. Kind of double up. Okay, or taller folks that stand in the back. There we go. We good? Uh oh okay, the police officer's taking the picture. All right. There we go. Okay. Sorry, mate. [0:15:15, 0:15:16]: That's right. [0:15:22, 0:15:28]: Momentous is what the word was. It's momentous. [0:15:28, 0:15:48]: I got tongue-tied or momentous, that's what it was. Anyway. All right. Well now you do it. Well, um we have a few minutes, I guess. We'll get a few minutes. We got the next one, it's Father's Day. We'll we'll see if we get a couple more of our council members that are fathers to be present. And all fathers, I guess, in a sense, could join us for that one. Um [0:15:49, 0:15:56]: And there's another individual supposed to receive this with you? Yes, yes. Are they here yet? I don't think he's here yet. They were supposed to make it. [0:15:57, 0:15:58]: All right. [0:16:02, 0:16:04]: All right, we'll give a few minutes and then uh [0:16:11, 0:16:13]: Right. [0:18:16, 0:18:18]: [1186.7, 1206.7]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we have one more uh proclamation to read. And it's 10 minutes to the hour, so we want to be timely with this. This Mr. Alexander. This last proclamation deals about Father's Day. So uh all the gentlemen that are fathers, you might you're more than welcome to join us up here for Father's Day. Okay? Father's Day. [0:20:06, 0:20:10]: reading a proclamation. You c welcome to join us up here if you like. [0:20:25, 0:20:45]: I know the guy from Further and Father, his partner said he would come when they get maybe they went on the lake. But we gotta do it. Yeah, what do we do? All right. All right, ladies and gentlemen, let me get started with this proclamation on Father's Day 2023. Whereas every year on Father's Day we honor the men who helped shape and and our character through their love. [0:20:45, 0:21:05]: Love, guidance, and devotion. Dads and father figures across the country sacrificed so much to support their families and to ensure that their children can leave fulfilling lives. Whereas the third Sunday in June has for many years been observed as Father's Day, is the most appropriate that Congress by enactment of the Senate joint resolution 161. [0:21:05, 0:21:18]: has now given official recognition to a well established tradition, whereas in homes across a great nation, state and local communities will look to our fathers to provide the strength and the stability which characterize a successful family. [0:21:19, 0:21:32]: Whereas if the fathers responsibilities are many, his rewards are also great, the love, appreciation, the respect of children and spouse, it is their desire to acknowledge publicly these feelings we have for our fathers of our nation. [0:21:32, 0:21:52]: That have been inspired, that have been that has inspired the Congress to call for formal observance of Father's Day. And now therefore I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority, vesting me as the mayor of City of Stockbridge, Georgia. And on behalf of City Council members Elton Now, Xenary Londa, Barber John Blount, Lakeisha Gantt and Alfonso Thomas, do hereby proclaim June eighteenth, twenty twenty. [0:21:52, 0:22:12]: twenty three, as Father Day in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. Let us honor our fathers, living and deceased, and show them the love and gratitude they deserve. A witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand in the great city of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the tenth day of June of the year of our Lord, two thousand twenty three, and assigned a proclamation along with our clerk Vanessa holiday. [0:22:12, 0:22:12]: Isn't it? [0:22:17, 0:22:18]: Okay. [0:22:19, 0:22:36]: Now gentlemen come this way. Come this way. We can't come this way. And we're gonna we're gonna have uh several of these we're gonna have several these issued out here in just a second. Okay. Oh sh well she's she's taking charge of you then? All right. All right. [0:22:42, 0:22:52]: So what do we have here? What is uh Mr Mr Jones? Yes sir. I think you sp yes yes, sir. Take that one. Okay. Mr. Jones. Okay. All right. [0:22:56, 0:22:56]: Thank you. [0:22:58, 0:23:02]: Well we got s I don't know who else was we got several. [0:23:03, 0:23:04]: Yeah, but [0:23:09, 0:23:15]: Alright, so okay, I don't know if the ladies can get away. [0:23:15, 0:23:18]: He'll tell, he'll tell. [0:23:19, 0:23:20]: Yeah. [0:23:30, 0:23:30]: Yeah. [0:23:30, 0:23:35]: No, it's uh don't have any hand. [0:23:38, 0:23:40]: Well, yeah. [0:23:45, 0:23:49]: Very fancy. [0:23:53, 0:24:03]: So make it up for the yeah. Yeah, so we gotta change it. [0:24:05, 0:24:07]: I say okay, it's good. [0:24:08, 0:24:08]: Yeah. [0:24:20, 0:24:20]: Oh. [0:24:21, 0:24:22]: Oh next. [0:24:26, 0:24:32]: [1485.0, 1487.9]: And what you're using. [0:24:48, 0:24:55]: It's about the men today. [0:25:01, 0:25:21]: Welcome citizens to Scott Bridge Father's Day celebration, welcome to greeting. I'll tell you what, as a father, I I love the fact that I'm raising one dog, one child, but I also have to give due respect to my father, who unfortunately passed four years ago, but I still haven't. [0:25:21, 0:25:41]: Absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, we just want to recognize Dad on He State for everything that does for God, the community, and family. It's men out there doing great things in this community, put their heads down working, they don't look for any recognition. They're just doing what men do. [0:25:41, 0:25:50]: That's what we do here today to call you out and recognize for all the great work that you do. Thank you for making our community great. [0:25:50, 0:26:03]: Thank everyone for this award to recognize Father and Father's Day. The greatest thing we can all do is Father, to be fathers of our families, show love, admiration, and always support the things the Father should do. [0:26:03, 0:26:15]: On the count of three, everybody will give you a hearty cheer for all of the fathers in the rain. One, two, three. [0:26:16, 0:26:20]: Faye Faye the Black. [0:26:22, 0:26:39]: So they don't have anybody named. Okay, so we can keep track. Yeah, yeah, sure. No. You've got uh [0:26:40, 0:26:44]: We got uh who gave their spent? Uh I think. [0:27:20, 0:27:23]: [1736.7, 1737.6]: I'm about to [0:29:01, 0:29:02]: May I have your attention, everyone? [0:29:05, 0:29:10]: May I have your attention, everyone? Hello. Someone left their phone here. [0:29:11, 0:29:13]: Someone left their phone here. [0:29:23, 0:29:25]: I need to turn it off. [0:29:28, 0:29:31]: Well they did. [0:31:28, 0:31:30]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, Council, we need to start the meeting here. [0:31:31, 0:31:33]: I have six oh two. [0:31:34, 0:31:35]: All right. [0:31:38, 0:31:40]: Rapport 10, can you get started? [0:31:53, 0:32:00]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm gonna call our council meeting June twelfth to order. It is six oh two. [0:32:01, 0:32:13]: And invocation this evening, Mr. Banks. You come to the front mic and uh please stand folks if you can. Mr. Banks, you're gonna have to take the mic and turn around, take from the other side. [0:32:18, 0:32:19]: Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Go right ahead. [0:32:24, 0:32:26]: Check my there we go. Thank you very much. [0:32:26, 0:32:33]: Let us pray. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you for this day. Father God, give the words. [0:32:33, 0:32:53]: And the mindsets and the hearts and minds may may the mayor and the councilmen and and women conduct your business in your city. We ask this right in your name, Father God. Bless who all has attended those are online listening, that this meeting shall be productive. This is my prayer. This is my request. [0:32:53, 0:32:57]: In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. [0:32:58, 0:33:12]: All right, for pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic that withstand one nation, underground, individual, with liberty and justice for all. [0:33:13, 0:33:15]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:33:19, 0:33:29]: Mayor Ford? Present. Mayor Pro Tem Barber. Present. Councilman Alexander. Present. Councilman Blount. Present. Councilwoman Gantt. [0:33:31, 0:33:42]: Let the record reflect Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Councilman Thomas. Present. Mayor Ford, you have a quarrel. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate that. Uh Council, I need uh motion now to adopt the agenda, please. [0:33:43, 0:33:45]: So moved. Mr. Blount, so moved, is there a second? [0:33:47, 0:33:50]: Sir Mr. Dalzan second, all in favor please indicate. [0:33:51, 0:33:54]: Now it's decision. Okay, thank you very much. Yes, ma'am. [0:33:55, 0:34:01]: I thought it was amendment to the agenda. I'm sorry. May I may I mean just a moment, sir? [0:34:02, 0:34:05]: So we know what we just took a moment. [0:34:06, 0:34:08]: As you know it's well just no. [0:34:08, 0:34:14]: I'm sorry, what's the one there amendment to the change or the question? [0:34:18, 0:34:19]: Be removed. [0:34:20, 0:34:22]: Different. Which one? [0:34:23, 0:34:24]: Six and seven. [0:34:25, 0:34:28]: To defer to the channel. [0:34:30, 0:34:31]: [2071.5, 2074.9]: All right. Thank you. I didn't realize that. All right. [0:34:36, 0:34:39]: I I'm going to do exactly that, sir, no problem. [0:34:41, 0:34:45]: All right. Okay, let's let's do this here. Yes, sir. [0:34:45, 0:34:46]: In lieu of [0:34:47, 0:34:49]: information I like to withdraw my [0:34:49, 0:34:54]: uh motion to approve the agenda. All right. Thank you. Appreciate that. [0:34:54, 0:34:56]: And obviously the second uh is withdrawn as well. [0:34:57, 0:35:00]: Oh no, no. Okay, now we we have a amendment to the agenda. [0:35:01, 0:35:03]: And whereas that uh items number [0:35:03, 0:35:12]: Uh six and seven under public hearing has is going to be uh well requested to be removed by the applicant until our July [0:35:12, 0:35:13]: Tenth meeting. [0:35:14, 0:35:15]: So I need a motion to accept it, please. [0:35:16, 0:35:17]: So I moved. Okay, Mr. Blount. [0:35:18, 0:35:20]: Mr. Alzheimer's acceptance. All in favor, please indicate. [0:35:21, 0:35:26]: Okay, thank you. That's unanimous. Now I need a motion to adopt the rest of the agenda for this evening. [0:35:26, 0:35:30]: So I moved. Mr. Blount? Mr. Alexander, all in favor, please indicate. [0:35:30, 0:35:32]: Thank you very much. And now [0:35:32, 0:35:48]: Um council adoption of the minutes. Uh adoption of minutes are April tenth, twenty twenty three, the council meeting minutes as well as the April twenty fifth council work session minutes. So there are no changes or updates to that. I need a motion to accept those minutes, please. [0:35:50, 0:35:53]: So moving. Thank you, Mr. Alexander. Is there a second? [0:35:55, 0:35:55]: Is there a second? [0:35:56, 0:35:58]: Mr. Plunt second, all favor please indicate. [0:36:00, 0:36:04]: Unanimous decision, thank you very much. Um, Madam Clerk, any public comments? [0:36:06, 0:36:08]: Mayor Ford, there are no public comments. [0:36:08, 0:36:17]: Okay, thank you. We'll now move on to our ceremonial uh sorry ceremonial review. And we have several proclamations, ladies and gentlemen. We have the Caribbean Heritage Month. [0:36:18, 0:36:35]: that we honored with a proclamation this evening along with the National Pride uh Pride Month and the Juneteenth celebration which is coming up here in the city on uh one week from today and then uh we recognize by proclamation of Father's Day for all the fathers in the area and fathers in the community and fathers of course across the nation. [0:36:35, 0:36:47]: On that note, we'll go to our first presentation, which deals with our first quarter transportation advisory group update. Mr. Gonzalez, please come forward and uh give the presentation, please. [0:37:17, 0:37:20]: Please introduce yourself before you get a presentation, sir. [0:37:20, 0:37:40]: Good evening, Council Mayor. I'm Mignal Gonzalez. And I represent uh Starbucks in the Transportation Advisory Group or Inner County. Good evening, Council Mayor. I'm Mignon Gonzalez and I represent City of Starkridge of the Inner County Transportation Advisory Group for May. [0:37:40, 0:37:42]: Oh thank you. We'll hear with your presentation, please. [0:37:43, 0:37:48]: I I hear you fine. As long as there's a green light on. Is there a green light on down there? [0:37:51, 0:37:55]: Oh, can you hear me better now? There you go. There you go. [0:37:58, 0:37:58]: Alright, please. [0:37:59, 0:38:19]: Uh good evening. Uh being this is our first time doing the quarterly, I put some slides together. Um we can as the quarterly updates come up, we can as we work together with the council mayor, we can update. Um put more slides or reduce some slides here. So um we'll start off with uh introduction. Um on the last uh [0:38:19, 0:38:39]: uh council meeting uh which I appreciate the opportunity to be reappointed on the tag membership. There was some question about my who who am I and be more happy to to speak about who with my background a little bit how hopefully I can serve the the city on this committee on some of the things uh how best to describe tag the five W's [0:38:39, 0:38:47]: uh summary of last year, um a summary of uh twenty twenty through the first and second quarter and then um how can I help [0:38:49, 0:39:09]: Uh first of all, I want to start off say thank you, uh Council for uh my reappointment and the trust to be able to serve uh the city uh uh Stockbridge and the committee. Um just a little bit my background. I've been living, working in Henry County, uh actually Stockbridge for over 18 years now. Um worked with GDOT when I started my career, so hopefully I can put some [0:39:09, 0:39:22]: some input on some of these transportation projects and help um guide some things or funding and some ideas uh to help and um I'm locally with a local firm here within the city uh Stockbridge limits. [0:39:24, 0:39:24]: Mm-hmm. [0:39:25, 0:39:45]: All right, the five Ws. Uh who are we? Who's the committee? Just um since being the first time doing this this presentation, I wanted to kind of uh talk a little bit about the committee and then subsequent ones we can I can uh we just talked what we spoke about in next quarter. Um these are uh the committee [0:39:45, 0:40:05]: Was adopted in 2020, created to as a organization or a group of folks representing uh different parts of the county commission districts, uh, ten representatives, uh, five from each of the commission districts, one from uh the commission chair, and four from the municipalities, uh, one being stockers of [0:40:05, 0:40:16]: which I represent. Uh these are two year terms and um the tag meeting is committee is led by Sam Baker, which leads the uh Henry County Transportation Planning uh Director. [0:40:19, 0:40:25]: Um the slide didn't show too well, but these are the uh the names of uh the folks that represent the committee. [0:40:27, 0:40:47]: So what do we do? Um the our organization, the community, the community that we work we represent, we part of the last year was updating the transportation, uh Comprehensive Transportation Plan, which uh involves having input from our citizens on the current conditions, uh future. [0:40:47, 0:41:07]: And future project, how we're gonna fund these. And also this part of ARC Metro Lana organization that without our plans, uh funding would be difficult to be uh to be obtained. So um the three major um work that we did last year and helped with the input is the uh [0:41:07, 0:41:15]: Uh updating the comp comprehensive transportation plan, the transit plan, and then the trail plan. Develop actually a new trail plan. [0:41:17, 0:41:37]: And why we're doing this is to assist the board commission, the municipalities in defining what our transportation needs are, the issues and how uh solutions. Um this is also for long-term planning based on the ARC Metro. Um there's also health funding and then again this is for the uh [0:41:36, 0:41:41]: For the Hennett County Transportation Plan, the Transit Master Plan and Trails Plan. [0:41:43, 0:42:03]: Um one of the things about uh why uh being the Hane County Transportation Plan, which is also known as a comprehensive transportation plan, a lot of big words. Um these are these are plans for long-term, short, mid, long-range planning for the next 30 years, and these are updated every so often. So as needed. [0:42:03, 0:42:23]: Change population change, address quality of life, congestion relief, uh, equity. Um, one of the things that uh is included now in this plan is the emerging technology uh project recommendations. These are different technologies. Uh for example, uh Henry County received grants for uh the fire truck. [0:42:23, 0:42:43]: To be able to communicate with signal lights to prioritize their path as they go through the signal lights. And there's gonna be, there'll be a little bit, we talk about this first and second quarter. Transit plan is another up uh plan update, 30-year plan, um addressing existing project conditions. [0:42:42, 0:43:02]: Helps improve mobility, safety, connectivity, quality of life. Again, these are for short, mid, and long-range planning. One of the major things that came out of this transit plan was the rebranding. For example, you'll see these coming out soon as we get more funding, more routes are [0:43:02, 0:43:05]: Or set up um locations. [0:43:08, 0:43:28]: The trails plans, uh wide trails plan. Well if you can see the map, it's very it's a little blurry here. There's only three identified trails in the uh Henry County. This plan itself will develop uh a mid and long term there's there's not really any short term plans for trails yet, but mid and long term to be able to uh establish locations. Um [0:43:27, 0:43:47]: And be able to get the funding, either T Splots or different kind of grants. Again, for uh help connect our communities for health reasons, uh help help uh foster some economic growth. Um to be able to develop the plans, there was uh stakeholder meetings online, um [0:43:47, 0:44:00]: petitions, uh to be able to get a uh community to give us some input where the areas that we we should be looking for. Another of the uh that was identified is the branding as you let's see if you can see oops. [0:44:02, 0:44:22]: You can see the you'll you'll start seeing the new logo around the the county. Um it's like an orange, a burnt orange type. Different. Um if you're in within the municipality, you'll have the the municipal name on the bottom. If it's general uh Henry County, it'll just be uh Henry Trail. So these are some of the things we're uh our committee uh we were [0:44:22, 0:44:24]: Also [0:44:24, 0:44:25]: The [0:44:25, 0:44:29]: Henny County, the the plan was developed by a a consultant. [0:44:30, 0:44:33]: Um they give us ideas, for example, on what kind of typical section. [0:44:34, 0:44:50]: You know, if it's gonna be a ten, twelve, fourteen foot uh wide trail, how close to the road, things like that, that we can uh s uh establish some kind of standards. And then working with uh with the municipalities on those things here. [0:44:51, 0:45:05]: Um this here kind of shows you some of the current mid-range plans um uh trails that'll be coming on. Uh there's a list on the Henry County website. Uh T C Plus have some of those fun it'd be funny some of these trails. [0:45:08, 0:45:28]: Um when and where. Um everyone's uh welcome to our meetings. We had they're posted on the Henry County website, uh transportation planning. Uh it's every quarter. Um there's uh current um the next one uh would be October coming up. Um you can find more information on the meetings is recorded. [0:45:28, 0:45:33]: it uh Sam Baker does a great job of making sure it's documented so so everyone the public knows. [0:45:37, 0:45:48]: Uh summary 2022, we're fortunate we we adopted the uh the updated Intercounty Transportation Plan, uh the Transit Master Plan, and the brand new trails plan. [0:45:50, 0:46:10]: We have here. Uh first quarter update. We're looking at how to implement some of these projects that were recently adopted on the plan. We receive information that uh we the county received a grant for a new fixed uh local bus service. That'll be coming hopefully on [0:46:10, 0:46:30]: uh on board within this year. There's there's a another um initiative to launch is Micro Transit On-Demand Transit Service, which is more kind of like an Uber type deal that you can call and uh receive uh someone will pick you up. We have some uh update on the major roadway projects. [0:46:30, 0:46:37]: There's the uh commercial vehicle lanes uh I set from I-75 making [0:46:37, 0:46:46]: Coming from Macon to McDonough, that's uh the truck we call it, truck lanes, commercial vehicle lanes. Construction still uh around 2027 to begin. [0:46:47, 0:46:50]: the new interchange at at I seventy five Betlenham [0:46:50, 0:47:10]: The West Parallel Connector and the N Rock Quarry Road widening. Let me let me stop you right now. Yeah, I mean we've um there's been several things that have come up and I know I have some questions. I'm pretty sure the council has some several questions about some things here. But let me just start this off now. Um and and we're gonna have to go back a couple of slides. Sure, of course. [0:47:10, 0:47:30]: Let's see here. And Rockaway World Road Widening, that's that's that's a joint project with the city of Stockbridge in this aspect and so would be the Eagles Landing Parkway too. I know with the joint projects that we're working on with them and I know our financial um our treasurer's here along with our our uh city manager as well to give speak further on that. [0:47:30, 0:47:44]: there's something obviously you need to know, make sure that you're well in tune on that. But previously on the slides, uh that you had about the trail plan and we we also had a trail plan to establish, I'm trying to figure out and I'm pretty sure the rest of the council is think trying to think about this too. [0:47:44, 0:47:48]: uh we have a trail plan that we want to implement and um [0:47:48, 0:48:08]: And but on the diagram they showed only Henry County trails per se, and I would think that ours would have to be somewhat integrated in that as well. And that's through T Splash dollars that we're planning to do all that. You see, because this uh that's very sparse on what we have planned, is my understanding, obviously I would say not understanding, I know is ours is more tense, extensive than this. [0:48:08, 0:48:22]: And and um you haven't gotten to it yet, but the other other thing the question be uh the wayfinding process as well. Uh but anyway, I'm gonna stop on that note and I'm and I'm pretty sure somebody else has some other c thoughts or questions. Go ahead, Mr. Alexander. [0:48:22, 0:48:42]: Yeah, Mayor, I think you're you're right on that. Uh we certainly did pass our own uh trails plan in twenty seventeen where we have intense trails, and thank God uh the citizens out there voted uh for the one cent sales tax, which is the T sploss. So we have$22 million to build our own Atlanta belt. [0:48:42, 0:49:02]: Outline like trail system being funded with that one cent sales tax. If you look out in front of City Hall here, we have 10-foot multi-use pass out front of City Hall. They'll be going certain areas. The Rock Quarry Road Project will certainly have them. And of note to the residents here who have [0:49:02, 0:49:22]: Have come for the particular zoning. Highway 42 is going to be widened as well, as part of that. That's a joint project with Clayton County. It'll be four lanes from Walmart all the way to I-675. You will have a 10-foot multi-use path on one side, five-foot side. [0:49:22, 0:49:42]: Sidewalk on the other side, you have street lights, uh, you will have um beautification in the medians with trees and plants and all of that. Because this council and the Conor County Commissioners did a really good job of working toward getting these projects uh in the pipeline because we understand everybody out there. [0:49:42, 0:50:02]: Sits in traffic on a regular basis and many things happen. And then we don't seem to do a good job of getting the word out about these traffic and transportation improvements. So certainly it's good that you're there. But the folks need to certainly understand that, you know, we have funding a total of$750 million. [0:50:01, 0:50:21]: Dollars to widen nearly every road around here, including T-SPOS and the GDOT projects that you will go ahead and mention as we move along. But the mayor is certainly right. We have trails on nearly every major road around here, especially connecting this whole downtown area. Matter of fact, if you go outside and sit [0:50:21, 0:50:41]: City Hall now, you'll see trails down East Atlanta Road, and there's at least about a mile of trails inside the amphitheater. If you go back up and down around uh North Lee Street will have a 10-foot multi-use path. All of this will be corrected so that you can walk in this particular area and interview all that. [0:50:41, 0:51:01]: drive a EV vehicle. We got EV chargers back there. So we like for this to be your preferred route to come in and exercise and walk the trails. So certainly if you would uh kind of emphasize that uh the process this is a let's let's just say that this is a high level view correct yes and then the detail will be [0:51:01, 0:51:21]: filled in by the staff. So we'll proceed understanding that this is a very high level type of briefing, but the staff and will be providing the details to be able to put this whole program together because, you know, things are happening just like, you know, eight million dollars was being [0:51:21, 0:51:41]: As uh already you see outside here that uh highway 138 has been paved. The council worked very hard. So a lot of times that information is not getting to the public to understand that transportation projects are coming. And the other and and the one thing that I want folks to understand is the GDOT program works with the Georgia Department. [0:51:41, 0:52:01]: of Transportation. We pave more streets than anybody in this county with our you know our LMIG program paving city streets. And those of you who annexed in, we got to get you on the list because the county had you on their list and some of you all we got a lot of substandard roads to come into the community. So you [0:52:01, 0:52:21]: You will be graded in the next round or when we grade all the streets and we'll incorporate that. But the way the model works here in Georgia is it's kind of slow. It really is. And understanding that infrastructure never catches up with development and building. It just does not. What really drives it here in Georgia. [0:52:21, 0:52:41]: Is when you have a project, GDOT or the trend or the powers that be directs the money on there. If you live in an area that hasn't had any projects or had any type of development or growth in the last few years, then generally dollars don't flow your way. They try to throw the dollars at the project after the project has already started. [0:52:41, 0:52:49]: In a lot of cases. So I thought that needed to be said. Thank you. Council, any other any other questions, concerns thus far in the presentation that you may have? [0:52:50, 0:52:51]: Anybody? [0:52:52, 0:52:55]: Okay, if not, continue on, sir. [0:52:55, 0:53:03]: And and the the slides we can update uh each quarter to to make sure those those projects are highlighted, especially the local ones. [0:53:05, 0:53:06]: This is a a big overview. [0:53:14, 0:53:15]: See [0:53:17, 0:53:37]: Please so we spoke uh on the first quarter updates. Um and then just uh as an update, the Rockhoy Road widening, there was a question about when construction will begin. It's my understanding it will go out to bid around September of this year. It is my understanding. But I'll I'll get more information. But that's uh so far what I've [0:53:37, 0:53:49]: Can't you ask that what about Eagles Landing Parkway as well? I had not opportunity. Okay. But I'll I'll find that information Eagles Landing. Thank you. [0:53:51, 0:53:54]: I have a quick question for you, just uh [0:53:54, 0:53:58]: 'Cause I'm learning how all of this works and w I'm one of the [0:53:58, 0:54:13]: One of the inquisitive people that was asking. When you talked about the uh Board of Commissioners transportation needs uh that you represent and and wanted to bring up the needs of stop bridge, we see a lot of things around the city because we're, you know [0:54:14, 0:54:22]: W what is one of the greatest needs you've seen that you've you've um been an advocate for us with the county when it comes to transportation? [0:54:22, 0:54:41]: Um one one of the things that I've helped is for example if uh Sam Baker's um uh going after a grant uh having the uh recommendations from a local uh representative and one I I sent it up for the Atlanta old Old Atlanta Road, there was uh was uh resurfacing. So it either recommendations or [0:54:41, 0:54:42]: Um [0:54:43, 0:54:45]: If this if it's something within [0:54:45, 0:55:05]: um the city, but being new to to the uh to the organization, getting my feet with there, so one of the things I'm starting to the the role that I'm starting to pick up um and just some of the input of perhaps if there's uh uh design, if it w how wide should a sidewalk be, um [0:55:05, 0:55:16]: Things like that. So but as we as we pick up the recomm one of the main things for last year was the the plan itself to update those major three. And then this year we'll we'll have some other initiatives we're we're gonna be we'll be doing. [0:55:16, 0:55:36]: And and that was one of my concerns with this this whole board is I don't know how far the power or influence of this board is to the decisions made when it comes to to transportation needs. And so what you're saying to me is that you're kind of feeling your way through and and and looking at the needs. [0:55:36, 0:55:50]: In 2020, all the members we're we we we Sam Baker leads the the the organization. If there's a question, for example, uh it's been a big picture for uh the I-75 vehicle lanes. Um [0:55:50, 0:56:10]: From Macon to exit 216, there were concerns by some of the members that that particular location is not really a look a good location due to a lot of traffic. It's already congested. So now we're because some of the we're looking at it and talking, yeah, we should do another study. What would what would be if we can extend that truck lane all the way to the I-670? [0:56:10, 0:56:13]: Seventy five seventy five. [0:56:13, 0:56:25]: Uh so that's that study's underway. So it's it's those things that when when when certain issues pop up and now now that I get we're gonna get the opportunity to work with each other this year, I can find other uh opportunities to bring uh items up. [0:56:26, 0:56:46]: Mayor. Go right here. Mr. Flood's finished. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't because I I just don't I I see you because you say you get your feet wet, you kind of so I don't want to go too far in the weeds with it. Yeah. All right. Go ahead, Mr. Alexander. Yeah, I just want what you just said something that was very key. And folks need to understand these decisions are being made right now. If those trucks [0:56:46, 0:57:06]: Lanes from Savannah all the way to Henry County are released in McDonough. All of those trucks are going to be released on uh 75, and they're gonna come right through here, right? Many of them will drop in McDonough, but if they don't extend these lanes to 675. [0:57:06, 0:57:26]: That's going to be a nightmare. Well, a lot of times we complain about warehouses and other things going on in the community. It's way above our pay grade and our level. The state has invested$50 billion in the port in Savannah. The trucks and the logistics, we can't stop it even if we wanted to. They've made that decision down at the goal. [0:57:26, 0:57:46]: When they said they wanted to be the number one post port on the East Coast. That means all of those trucks have to come through here. And the last thing we want to do is to have those trucks dumped at exit two eighteen and two sixteen and then get in the traffic that we got to deal with every single day. So I think I want that to be [0:57:45, 0:58:05]: Your number one priority, and I hopefully council can chime in and say that's the last thing we want is to have those trucks dumped off right before our exits, uh coming into uh clogging up the traffic in here. That I'm glad you're already on that, and I'm glad they're looking at it because that would be a nightmare for us. [0:58:05, 0:58:11]: [3492.6, 3498.4]: Imagine that the truck traffic is going to double with the investment that they made uh in the Savannah port. [0:58:19, 0:58:35]: I would say to you that uh I'm at least in agreement that fact uh with that fact uh in reference to the truck uh lanes and and what they need to do to expand it and make it more feasible because uh we're growing and s and the port is is absolutely right about the port. See so [0:58:36, 0:58:56]: And one one of the ideas why the truck lanes are that current location, and you probably know is they were they were assuming that the express lanes were gonna take some of the slack off that location, but we uh as the tag group, we we were not convinced that was gonna be the no. So we're we pursued that, we supported the one the the salmon. [0:58:56, 0:59:03]: on this and he's uh I think is on I think he's actually been led out uh the studies currently as we speak. [0:59:04, 0:59:06]: Okay. Continue on, sir, please. [0:59:11, 0:59:13]: update impact study [0:59:14, 0:59:34]: Some of the things too that we that um uh Sam Baker informs us is the grants that the Henry County receives that are used um for some of the technologies. Uh there was a grant uh that was used to develop a web-based um software to kind of figure out how to balance green space. [0:59:34, 0:59:52]: warehouse, uh how it impacts. Uh it it so it's it's one is one of those to have to allow Henry Cow to to develop um you know allow the green space or you know the prioritize. So this particular software will prioritize if green space is a priority, if warehousing [0:59:53, 0:59:56]: It's we'll we'll f we'll find more information on that. [0:59:56, 1:00:01]: Um some other information is uh some funds for uh some roadway widenings. [1:00:02, 1:00:09]: Um and then the the bus route, fixed service, which is still they're trying to figure out the actual route based on the the grant money. [1:00:10, 1:00:20]: And then there was one of the uh details, uh our crash data shows there we have an uptick um in the crash, crash rate for the last five years. [1:00:23, 1:00:43]: And and let me ask you this. I'm only assuming that is due to the fact of more increased traffic. Um that's my assumption. Now I know our police department has more r has n definitely has responsibility now, a bigger chunk of Highway seventy five. So I would imagine we can get updated data and pr uh from our police department, you probably need to linked into them and make sure that when you have this [1:00:43, 1:00:47]: discuss a specific point that you have the latest data from our police department as well. [1:00:48, 1:00:49]: Okay. Excuse me. [1:00:58, 1:01:18]: Uh so that's our second quarterly updates. Uh we had some updates on uh the current spLOS on resurfacing projects. There again, we were talking about kind of still working on the route, the new fixed uh bus route that we begin service this year. Um and again we [1:01:18, 1:01:35]: We're we're updated on the uh launch of that microtransit on-demand transit service. And then there's uh there was an extended agreement with uh State Road and Tollway Authority constructing a parking ride on Julesborough Road near I-75. [1:01:38, 1:01:58]: Some of the things uh updated was there the Bethlehem Interchange uh concept uh design is available uh online to be able the public to see how how the it's progressing. Um the joint uh there was uh information about the joint wayfinding with the with the municipalities. [1:01:58, 1:02:18]: That work looks like it's gonna begin July 23rd, June 30th. We have some more funding on we're gonna apply for. This one's dealing with uh what we got here, comprehensive safety action plan. Um we're trying to get 200,000. [1:02:18, 1:02:31]: thousand dollars for the county with with the county matching funds and they won't it'll be uh some discussion on how the municipalities can participate in this and make some sharing of that m local funding. [1:02:34, 1:02:54]: Some more grants. Potential transit bus stops or schedule for Stockbridge itself at all? Have you have they redefined that? They're still working on there there was an uh overall idea, the is the implementation. [1:02:54, 1:02:59]: So I can find more information give you the update. [1:03:00, 1:03:20]: Yeah, go ahead, sir. I'm sorry. With all due respect to everyone here, I think again this is gonna be a very high-level presentation. If we really want the detail like that, we probably should have Mr. Baker come in and then issue come some of those details because these are volunteer board positions. No problem. Understand. But just uh good question to check in. [1:03:19, 1:03:29]: To though appreciate it. Thank you. Work with each other. I'll have more information and these slides will be more um uh customized okay to be able to address those concerns. [1:03:31, 1:03:34]: And again some more uh technology. The [1:03:34, 1:03:54]: The second to last bullet about the that technology to connect um the for example fire department vehicles, uh there was an additional 20 sites in Henry County that's gonna be employed. So um, and then one of the last things uh that was part of the our committee meeting was the county considering the telework and ultimate [1:03:54, 1:04:01]: work schedules uh effective july first of this year. So just some information there and [1:04:03, 1:04:23]: And the last slide, just uh how can I help you? One of the things is um sitting here and talking with you and then with the public. The next quarter update uh address some of the questions you have so we more involved, more uh uh more information uh on these subjects. [1:04:24, 1:04:40]: I would imagine the that uh you can get uh more refined information for us in the process as things go on um in this aspect and it'd be helpful. So it's a clear understanding for us overall. All right. Uh m Mr. Thomas Quid, please. Thank you, Mayor. [1:04:40, 1:05:00]: First, I'd just like to thank you for your commitment to serve. But my message for the most part are to the citizens. Um I know oftentimes in uh zoning matters and public hearings, uh citizens wanna come to uh this venue to to voice [1:05:00, 1:05:02]: their concerns about traffic. [1:05:03, 1:05:06]: Um and even though we cannot [1:05:06, 1:05:08]: Address those um [1:05:08, 1:05:10]: In in zoning matters. [1:05:11, 1:05:13]: But I would recommend and encourage citizens [1:05:13, 1:05:14]: To go. [1:05:15, 1:05:17]: To this body. [1:05:17, 1:05:25]: And to let their voices be heard. And I think that just needs to be said because even I would imagine even tonight. [1:05:25, 1:05:29]: We're gonna hear uh concerns about traffic. [1:05:30, 1:05:50]: But we cannot address those um in in zoning matters. And I just wanted to sort of throw that out then and that need to be, uh I think said a little bit more often is that and I don't know what kind of participation uh you get at these board meetings from citizenry and and voices and questions and concerns about [1:05:49, 1:05:57]: traffic overall in Henry County and and specifically in Stockbridge. But I just want to sort of throw that out to the citizens. Thank you. [1:05:58, 1:06:14]: You know, questions, concerns, uh this side, you know. We're good thus far. Thank you for a presentation, really appreciate it. Thank you for the opportunity and I'll stay in touch with all you and then with any questions you have. Sit sit connect with the city manager, Mr. Gardner. Connect with him. Thank you very much. [1:06:19, 1:06:25]: And what we need to do is solve this train issue, right? Yeah. That's what we really need to do. Solve this train issue. [1:06:25, 1:06:45]: Yeah, in in a in a mix. All right. What we have next, uh there's actually a public hearing, one of several public hearings tonight. And uh it steals the City of Stockbridge Text Amendment case, uh T X uh two thousand three excuse me, two thousand twenty three dash zero one council district, which means city wide. [1:06:45, 1:07:05]: Consideration of the Text Amendment and Stockbridge Unified Development Code UDC in section 2.5.2 D12 and section 2.5.3 F11 to allow hookah bars, lounges, cigar bars, lounges, tobacco, vape shops as ancillary uses to the use of [1:07:05, 1:07:25]: use of primary use of restaurant lounges currently above uses are prohibited uh within the parkway mixed use pm u overlay district and the downtown village dvd v overlay district. Mr. Ryan well it has Mr. Ryan here but Miss Bre Breca is is forward. Okay. Yes this I'm gonna be presenting tonight [1:07:25, 1:07:29]: Okay, so be it. It's your show. Thank you. [1:07:36, 1:07:41]: Bear with me one second. Little technical difficulty. [1:08:00, 1:08:20]: All right, thank you, Mayor and Council. Good evening, um members of the community. So uh there is a text amendment ahead of you um in regards to allowing hookah bars and uh cigar bars um as an ancillary or secondary use within restaurants. Currently the [1:08:20, 1:08:40]: These uses are not allowed in our overlay districts, which is our parkway overlay district, which is a majority of our major corridors like 138, North Henry Boulevard, Eagles Landing, and some places, and then in our downtown area. [1:08:39, 1:08:51]: There have been some requests for restaurants in these areas to be allowed to have, you know, a s a cigar bar room or hookah room within the restaurant. [1:08:53, 1:09:06]: Um just to kind of give you an idea again, prohibited uses is hookah bars, lounges, and cigar bars and lounges within uh parkway mixed use overlay districts. Like I said, that's among our major corridors throughout the city. [1:09:07, 1:09:20]: And then our downtown village overlay, which is our complete downtown area. And currently those uses are not allowed by themselves or in conjunction with another use. [1:09:22, 1:09:42]: Uh again, um in order to expand our our business allowings offerings throughout the city in certain areas, um like in downtown areas like McDonough's and Atlanta, you do they do allow for cigar bars to be part of a restaurant, uh similar to how [1:09:42, 1:09:43]: We have [1:09:44, 1:10:03]: uh alcohol sales as an ancillary use to a restaurant, this would be this a similar thing. We would allow for them to have 51% sales in food and then 49% sales in hookah or tobacco and cigar vape and vape bars. [1:10:06, 1:10:12]: So that is staff's recommendation. This item, uh, as all the public hearing items tonight went to the planning commission. [1:10:12, 1:10:15]: Um at the April twenty fifth meeting. [1:10:15, 1:10:26]: Uh but they did recommend denial. Um there weren't any specific reasons. We did have some citizens call um come to the podium and um state their concerns. [1:10:27, 1:10:29]: The Planning Commission uh denied it. [1:10:30, 1:10:34]: And your Pacific staff's uh decision is what? [1:10:34, 1:10:52]: Well, our recommendation was originally for approval. That has not changed. Okay. Then the planning commission, since we bring it to them, they make a recommendation to you all. We don't change our recommendation after the board has determined their recommendation. All right. Um the city council aga has the authority to make the final decision. Absolutely. [1:10:53, 1:11:02]: All right. You okay. Council, questions, concerns, thoughts? Okay, well uh I'll excuse me, uh Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. [1:11:03, 1:11:15]: My question is, the with the text amendment, does it address separating those who may want to partake in [1:11:15, 1:11:19]: Tobacco and hookah bars, is there a separate area? [1:11:20, 1:11:40]: One of the designated point well one of the discussions that did come up was to make it a like a sub a room that's designated within a restaurant for these uses. And that can be part of if the council does choose to approve it, have that stipulation that it has to be in a separate room. [1:11:40, 1:11:42]: [4302.4, 4303.0]: Area. [1:11:44, 1:11:45]: Thank you. [1:11:46, 1:11:49]: Councilman uh Thomas Gway, please. Thank you. [1:11:50, 1:12:03]: I I I believe it is known from this council uh my position on this. Um I'm not a uh smoker. Um I refrain from tobacco. Um [1:12:05, 1:12:25]: I know these rooms are not airtight. I do like to support restaurants, small businesses, et cetera, et cetera. I know a number of other folks who are uh non-smokers, et cetera. Um, I will not support [1:12:25, 1:12:29]: uh this initiative I would not vote against it. [1:12:30, 1:12:40]: Uh, I will remain neutral. Um, but I just wanted to be on the record that, you know, th this is is my position and I know other citizens that [1:12:40, 1:12:41]: probably would not [1:12:42, 1:12:43]: Um [1:12:43, 1:12:45]: Support is for dining out. [1:12:46, 1:13:06]: um in this type of restaurant, but I do understand the economics, you know, behind this. Um and I have spoken with a lot of restaurant owners and and this is how they see it. So I don't have a problem with, you know, these restaurants trying to uh develop uh some type of economic move. [1:13:06, 1:13:26]: But just for me personally, and I know I'm just one person, um, but I I personally would not, you know, dine at one of these locations. But I will uh not vote against this initiative if this is the will of of this council. Thank you. Ms. Gamp, please. Thank you. Before I even [1:13:26, 1:13:42]: make my statement. Were there anybody did anyone come in during public comments and state that they were for this? No public comments. No no public comments. Okay. Um and the reason I say that is I would prefer if business owners would come to us with their situation. Um [1:13:43, 1:13:48]: you know, f subject to conditions on that particular business owner. More so [1:13:49, 1:14:09]: I'm deaf I I'm just not for it. I can't see wanting to be I mean being at a restaurant and eating and and having smoke is just not something I'm interested in being a part of. Um I could see if it's a sports bar or a lounge. Um maybe we can look into the classifications of what exactly we're trying to do here. [1:14:09, 1:14:10]: Uh [1:14:10, 1:14:11]: I get it. [1:14:12, 1:14:13]: There may be a need. [1:14:13, 1:14:31]: Um I'm concerned about a bunch of vape shops being around. You open the door to a lot of that. Um every time we turn around there's one on every other corner on some streets and I I'm not interested. I just don't think that it brings value to our community. Um and uh [1:14:32, 1:14:38]: Having said that, I know people have to make a living and that's something that maybe makes money for them. [1:14:38, 1:14:42]: I just don't think it's appropriate based off of where [1:14:42, 1:14:43]: What our goals are. [1:14:44, 1:14:59]: and our vision of our community in our downtown should look like. Now if it's a bar or sports you tell me, Miss Um Carter, is there a way where if it's a bar or lounge [1:14:59, 1:15:05]: Um and I see it here. You says to allow hookah bars slash lounges, cigar bars, slash lounges. [1:15:05, 1:15:08]: As an ancillary to a restaurant, no. [1:15:08, 1:15:17]: But to be a hookah bar or a lounge, maybe, right? And then again, we still need to limit the amount of those. [1:15:18, 1:15:19]: And so [1:15:20, 1:15:20]: Um [1:15:21, 1:15:23]: I would appreciate the discussion of it. [1:15:23, 1:15:30]: I see that this is a public hearing on it. I would love to hear from some business owners on what their thoughts and concepts are. [1:15:31, 1:15:39]: But I personally don't wanna be in an environment where I'm trying to eat and worried about smelling smoke and I'm not gonna bring my kids around it either. [1:15:40, 1:15:58]: Right. So th there are some concerns, but if it's a sport I could I could see again, I can see if it's a sports bar or lounge or something specific, but not just let's open the door and say, Oh, this is what we want. I don't want everybody I I I I just don't think it would work that way. [1:15:59, 1:16:00]: Mr Blount, please. [1:16:01, 1:16:02]: Yeah, um [1:16:03, 1:16:05]: You know, my first take on [1:16:06, 1:16:12]: hookah lounges, cigar lounges, is that I didn't want to see one area saturated with that. [1:16:13, 1:16:14]: Um [1:16:14, 1:16:18]: One of the things we I ha I have come to a realization is that [1:16:19, 1:16:23]: Hookah and cigars are like hip hop. [1:16:23, 1:16:25]: It's not a fad, it's not going anywhere. [1:16:26, 1:16:37]: And when we talk about a capitalistic society allowing businesses to operate, and you're talking about an ancillary uh use uh on that for for for restaurants. [1:16:38, 1:16:45]: The thing about it, we have to make sure that we have parameters in place as a city. When we was uh I was in um [1:16:46, 1:16:50]: Kansas City back in November. Kansas City, Missouri. [1:16:51, 1:16:57]: And the hookah uh the lounges that allowed cigars [1:16:58, 1:17:18]: They had proper ventilations in there. And those was regulations that was pertaining to what the city what had to be installed in order to s for the city to allow. And so we have to make sure that whatever we do and whatever make move we make that we are looking at [1:17:18, 1:17:28]: this this is not going away in in in a lot of these businesses because w when you look at hookahs and and and um hookahs and and cigars [1:17:28, 1:17:33]: I see'em in Alphoretta, I see'em in Buckhead, I see'em in Johns Creek. I see'em everywhere. [1:17:33, 1:17:53]: They're ev they're not going away. But I think for us as a city, we have to make sure that that businesses aren't going rogue on how they ventilate their facilities, that that everybody is able to enjoy it. Everybody's able to be [1:17:53, 1:17:59]: that that proper ventilation is done in these uh in the in these areas because [1:18:00, 1:18:07]: What what's on the books? It's hard to enforce this one and it's hard now to enforce it, even in the city of Stockbridge. [1:18:08, 1:18:09]: And so [1:18:09, 1:18:11]: When you put [1:18:11, 1:18:14]: this out there like that and you allow it [1:18:14, 1:18:26]: There are some businesses that can circumvent the process, but they can't circumvent the stipulations that be put on if you're doing it. Because I could say I got a hot dog restaurant, I'd probably sell ten hot dogs for a [1:18:26, 1:18:34]: uh in a one month, but I'm still a hot dog restaurant that's having hookah and cigars. So I can circumvent a process in order to do it. [1:18:34, 1:18:42]: But now I can't circumvent stipulations that if I do it, these parameters are put in place. So I think that we need to look at that. [1:18:43, 1:19:03]: before we allow this to happen. I'm I'm for this I'm I'm for businesses flourishing. We got a downtown and when you look at the uh the the areas there are some restaurants that allow hookahs and some restaurants have cigars and some restaurants don't allow it at all. You have a multiplex [1:19:03, 1:19:04]: Yeah. [1:19:04, 1:19:06]: of businesses that are doing it. So [1:19:07, 1:19:27]: I just think that before we do it as a city, that we put stipulations in place for whoever does it, that the proper ventilation is put in place for these restaurants. On my left side, go ahead, Mr. Alzheimer. Yeah, you know, honestly, I concur with Mayor Pro Tem and Mr. Blount. Uh regulations do need to be put in place. [1:19:27, 1:19:47]: I certainly would insist as the same thing that it be in a separate room. And those regulations are important. What really happened and precipitated this with all transparency is the owner at Angie's cafe came and said that there were businesses all around her that were being that were already doing. [1:19:47, 1:20:07]: hookah and she felt when she made her application that she was denied that she was being singled out because Milan's which is literally within right across the parking lot the comedy club they have hookah now brownstone has hookah now there's many places that have hookah because we don't have regular [1:20:07, 1:20:27]: regulation in order to rein it in to regulate it. So taking these steps without the proper procedures is there's a lot of restaurants that have already invested, bars that have invested into this technology. I don't smoke. I can't stand to be in a place where smoke is. I don't like it. [1:20:27, 1:20:47]: But at the same time, as Mr. Blount said, it's an economic driver. When McDonough has it, when all the surrounding cities have it, it is a competitive advantage for them when a restaurant looks and they're looking at profit. They're looking at profit margin and what they can do in terms of uh how they can keep a restaurant open. And we know [1:20:47, 1:20:57]: fifty percent of all new restaurants fail within the first year. And these profit margins are the difference between them making a profit and them going out of business. [1:20:57, 1:21:17]: And then this is a part of what the free market society is like. If you don't choose to partake or go into that restaurant because of smoke, that's your trouble. There are restaurants now that I don't go in because they allow smoking. I made a choice. I'm not going over there because you allow cigarette smoking. I think in terms of the argument. [1:21:17, 1:21:37]: That was made about the vape shops. We have clear, I think we have regulation in our ULDC about the prohibition of those on certain corridors and also a limitation on where they can be and the number of them. So we have them pretty much locked in. I would want this to be airtight to have. [1:21:37, 1:21:57]: Have no fun intended, airtight to say that it would need to be a separate room uh with some type of ventilation uh system installed in it. So customers who did choose to come in would be allowed to uh eat in peace. And then customers would have that uh uh flow because again. [1:21:57, 1:22:17]: I was at Frozen Smoke the other night and uh talking to the owner and the owner wants to do uh cigars uh in his establishment. And you know, he asked me what I th what the what the city policy was. I was unclear. I was unclear on what the actual what that was called for. [1:22:17, 1:22:37]: But I think as Mr. Blount said, there would need to be clear regulation on the fact that you you would derive the majority of your income from food. This would indeed have to be quantified and specified what a auxiliary use was. It couldn't just be you. [1:22:37, 1:22:57]: You were opening up to do hookah and you only serve 10% food. It would have to be, as the regulation says now, the majority of uh your food, and that would need to be a process put in place to actually uh verify that that is being done. So my position is I'm certainly as [1:22:57, 1:23:17]: Anti-smoke as anybody. You can't smoke in my house. You can't even in the door. No, you cannot. But I understand. I don't speak just for me. I have to serve the entire community. And as Mr. Blount said, there is a segment of the population that derived that that seeks this particular service. I would want a differentiation between [1:23:17, 1:23:37]: Between I would not allow cigarette smoke. There would need to be some differentiation. It would be hookah or in hookah specific or in cigars, not just opening it up to everybody. It would be specific to those particular items where it would be cigars and it would be hookah that would not be cigarettes that would not. [1:23:37, 1:23:57]: Be any other anywhere down the line of anything else illegalized, that certainly wouldn't be allowed either. So that's my take on it. I don't want to slam the door on it because of the free market element and the competitive disadvantage that it would put us in because all these McDonough allows it, that McDonough just allowed a cigarette. [1:23:57, 1:24:17]: Cigar Lounge to open on the square. The cigar lounge is they're not even required to have food. They just have cigars. And we don't currently allow that. I know Brownstone has it. They do hookah uh as well. So there are numerous businesses that we would have enforcement issues on to go and tell them. [1:24:17, 1:24:30]: that they got they've invested in this equipment and they need to get rid of it and they can't use it any longer. So I support this with uh the regulations as mentioned by Mayor Pro Tem and Mr. Blount. [1:24:31, 1:24:36]: Ms uh Ms. Gann, go ahead please. Thank you. Um so [1:24:37, 1:24:46]: I don't know. I've after l listening to our council members, I think that we need to do a little bit more research on it. Um, I would like to know what other cities are doing. [1:24:46, 1:25:06]: what the trend is, but I definitely don't believe that we should allow forty nine up to forty nine percent. No. Is what's stated here. If you look into I think up to forty nine percent of sales can be towards hookah or and it says vape, it says tobacco, cigars. I can see if it's a [1:25:06, 1:25:10]: I can't or a bar. [1:25:10, 1:25:18]: But a restaurant, Angie's Cafe, I'm no offense to Angie's Cafe, but it's a restaurant. People go in to eat breakfast, they go in to eat dinner. [1:25:19, 1:25:37]: I don't think that we should open the gates to allow everyone that means Burger King can say, you know what, let's put a room up here and you can come in and do hookah because you're opening the door to everyone, allowing to I'm I'm being extreme, but it allows [1:25:37, 1:25:52]: that based off of the way it's written, it would allow for that to take place. And I don't think that that is what we're looking at. I think that there's a place, a specific place for that. If they want a hookah lounge, then they come here and ask us for a hookah lounge. [1:25:52, 1:26:01]: This thing says up to 49%. I'm not by f and then so that means fifty-one percent food, forty-nine percent hookah vape, or whatever. [1:26:02, 1:26:03]: And the facts are [1:26:03, 1:26:08]: Real quick, you know I love facts and I Google while I'm up here, guys. [1:26:08, 1:26:11]: But hookul hookah [1:26:11, 1:26:31]: Smoke has high levels of harmful chemicals. These include tar, carbon monoxide, heavy metals, and cancer causing chemicals called carcinogens or whatever it is. I don't know. Carcinogens. Carcinogens. Whatever. Carcinogens, excuse me. In fact, hookah smokers smokers are exposed to [1:26:31, 1:26:37]: more carbon monoxide and smoke than our cigarette smokers. [1:26:38, 1:26:40]: So the source is [1:26:41, 1:26:46]: The Mayo Clinic.org. Mayoclinic.org. [1:26:48, 1:26:52]: And the next source is medical Stanford education. [1:26:52, 1:26:59]: It also says facts that hookah sessions are typically about an hour in length. [1:26:59, 1:27:03]: Which is an estimated two hundred puffs per session. [1:27:04, 1:27:11]: Hookahs users and I'm sorry, let me back back. The question was how many cigarettes equal to one hookah? [1:27:12, 1:27:13]: Hookah. [1:27:14, 1:27:27]: And the fact the answer was facts hookah sessions are t typically around an hour in length, which is estimated two hundred puffs per session. Hookah users would consume an equivalent of a hundred cigarettes. [1:27:28, 1:27:32]: From one of these sessions, hookah is addictive. [1:27:32, 1:27:52]: Not that we're telling people how to control their life. Exactly. I'm not trying to tell you how to control your life. I'm not telling you not to drink. I'm not telling you not to smoke. But what I'm telling you is that we do need to limit these type of addictions, these types of dangers, into its own isolated buildings. So if you want to smoke, smoke away. But you're going to smoke in the [1:27:52, 1:27:53]: Yeah. [1:27:53, 1:28:01]: You want to smoke, smoke away, but you're gonna smoke in that hookah lounge. You go to a club, they have hookahahs, so be it. You know they have hookahs. [1:28:04, 1:28:12]: You're not gonna interfere with everyone's use and enjoyment of restaurant eating. If they wanted that, then they should have applied for a lounge. [1:28:14, 1:28:15]: You know? [1:28:15, 1:28:23]: We're opening the door. Let's do some common sense thinking here. These are facts, and I think that we should uh do a little bit more research on it. [1:28:24, 1:28:32]: Not trying to slap anybody on the hand and say, shame on you, but I think that we need to be very careful when we open the door to that. [1:28:33, 1:28:37]: Because you can't say hookah's less harmful than cigarettes. [1:28:37, 1:28:41]: Based off the Mail Clinic, bla based off of Stanford University. [1:28:41, 1:28:44]: And Columbia University, that's not the case. [1:28:44, 1:28:47]: No that's more than one study. [1:28:48, 1:28:57]: That's the first thing that pops up on Google and it's not it's it's it's actually a internet it's a day No, it's not I'm I'm basing it off of medical research. [1:28:58, 1:29:10]: So I get it. I'm not here to argue and debate it. It's up for everyone else to do your own research. That's fine. But I'm here to make a the best decision I think I should make for our community. [1:29:11, 1:29:16]: Mayor Ford. And that having said that, I believe that they should be [1:29:16, 1:29:18]: I'm gonna agree with our um [1:29:19, 1:29:20]: Our um [1:29:22, 1:29:24]: Planning and zoning committee or or [1:29:24, 1:29:25]: And I I believe [1:29:26, 1:29:46]: that we should not right now I I'm thinking that we move to table this and get some more research on it. I can't do it's a public hearing. Okay, well let's get the public hearing going. But I would after that I I think that we should acqu get more research on this issue and listen to some of the some some of the constituents. Okay we'll a couple more uh council members need to speak. Mr Blount please. Uh [1:29:46, 1:29:51]: Uh yes. Um we appreciate the statistics. Um w one of the things that [1:29:52, 1:29:54]: When it comes to smoking. [1:29:55, 1:30:03]: One of the things that I learned in the city of Stockbridge is that, believe it or not, citizens, it it's illegal to smoke in cars with minors in the cars. [1:30:04, 1:30:08]: And when I implemented that, does the council agree with me? We have voted on it. [1:30:08, 1:30:14]: And it became law in the city of Stockbridge. So the victim is the child that has doesn't have a choice. [1:30:15, 1:30:19]: When you see people smoking in cars with children, call the police. [1:30:19, 1:30:22]: That's how I feel about that. [1:30:22, 1:30:25]: But when you talk about an adult activity [1:30:25, 1:30:26]: That adults have a [1:30:27, 1:30:32]: That adults have the choice to do something or don't do something that's not illegal. [1:30:33, 1:30:36]: Is legal. Hookahs, cigars, they're legal. [1:30:37, 1:30:41]: And so when you talk about adults being able to partake of that [1:30:41, 1:30:48]: Then they're taking of something that's legal. I've never seen an accident and somebody said that I had too many I smoked too much hookah. [1:30:50, 1:30:57]: I've never seen they went down to the hospital and they say we got a whole bunch of people in here because they was driving and smoking a cigar. [1:30:59, 1:31:03]: Because adult activity that puts him there is drinking alcohol. [1:31:04, 1:31:08]: That's the biggest force of act of people hurting other people. [1:31:09, 1:31:15]: But when you talk about hookahs and you talk about uh uh and you talk about cigars [1:31:15, 1:31:25]: You're talking about a people that have the right to do something that's illegal. I'm only saying it that if we put it and allow this, that we put stipulations in place that protects everybody. [1:31:26, 1:31:33]: You can't just uh uh you know, have a chicken chong movie every restaurant you go to because we don't we don't care about ventilation. [1:31:34, 1:31:36]: That's that's what that's my thing is. [1:31:37, 1:31:48]: But I believe adults have the right to do what adults is able to do and if it's not illegal. Restaurants have the capital this is a capitalist society. If you want to open up a restaurant and have hooking, you fail because of that. [1:31:50, 1:31:53]: Then that's because you done something that the citizen didn't want. [1:31:53, 1:31:59]: If everybody in here say I don't want hookahs, I don't want cigars and they open one right here in this community, what is it gonna do? [1:32:00, 1:32:01]: It's gonna fail. [1:32:02, 1:32:03]: It's not gonna go anywhere. [1:32:04, 1:32:08]: Because adults have choice to do what adults do in adults facilities. [1:32:09, 1:32:17]: So for me, I don't want to regulate that. I only want to put stipulations on the health mechanism of it. [1:32:17, 1:32:23]: And make sure that if they're allowed to do it, because it's hard to police that. [1:32:24, 1:32:28]: And as we was uh was told today, there are places that are doing it that [1:32:28, 1:32:32]: that uh it's hard to police that. Let me just put it that way. [1:32:33, 1:32:39]: But if we allow it, what we can police is that they had a mechanism in place to control it. [1:32:39, 1:32:56]: That's all it's Sir. Mr Mr Stemma, Mr. Thomas, please. Uh Mayor Ford, um, I was gonna move that we go to the public hearing, but but let me just say this uh about tobacco and and the freedom of choice. Now even the surge in general um [1:32:57, 1:33:04]: indicate disclaimers on tobacco products uh and the percentage of cancer causing. [1:33:05, 1:33:05]: But [1:33:06, 1:33:08]: Users still have a choice. [1:33:08, 1:33:28]: But that is a stipulation that's out there. So my recommendation would be after the public hearing, I'm gonna agree with uh Councilwoman Gantt, is that we need to go back and do a little bit more research. But that still needs to be stipulations with this. And I and I appreciate those stats. Um and I I think those stats are very important. [1:33:28, 1:33:48]: Uh but again if we could let's let's go forward with the public hearing. We will shortly before we go there though. Ms. Barber. Yeah, I was gonna come to you. I figured you didn't have you had something to say. Really quick. Um now understanding there is a difference between the categories, restaurants and lounges. I do agree with Councilwoman Gantt when she [1:33:48, 1:33:49]: [5629.8, 5633.3]: Making sure that these business owners are applying for the right [1:33:55, 1:33:59]: Application or business license, um, lounges um do. [1:33:59, 1:34:01]: Um and should be [1:34:01, 1:34:03]: Designated for hookahs and [1:34:04, 1:34:17]: Cigars, but when it comes to restaurants, not so much. Um most folks go to restaurants specifically to eat. Lounges are designated for leisure. [1:34:17, 1:34:17]: So [1:34:18, 1:34:25]: I wouldn't support this, but I do support um Councilwoman Gantt's comments. We need to do more research on this. [1:34:25, 1:34:31]: So thank you. All right. Miss Alizana, we you've spoken a few times. Let's go to the public hearing. Okay. [1:34:32, 1:34:51]: Public hearing, I want to open the public hearing up. All right. So what we're gonna do, we're gonna start on my left side and anybody that's for, having comments for, if that's the case, you'll line up on this side, on my left side, and then I'll allow you to speak if that's the case. So anybody for my very uh far left? Anybody for this hookah lounge is in this aspect here? [1:34:52, 1:34:54]: Or for in restaurants. Okay, anybody in the middle? Four. [1:34:55, 1:34:56]: Anybody in the middle? [1:34:57, 1:35:01]: My far right. Anybody for this aspect? Four. [1:35:02, 1:35:03]: All right, seeing none. [1:35:03, 1:35:10]: Anybody against that wants to comment? Anybody against in my far left? You know, anybody against? Against. [1:35:10, 1:35:14]: Ma'am, if you want you can stand up we'll have you uh give you three minutes here in just a bit. Anybody else in the [1:35:15, 1:35:18]: in the middle that's against this, wants to comment about this, the subject. [1:35:19, 1:35:21]: Anybody against on the far right? [1:35:22, 1:35:31]: All right, if that's the case, ma'am, if you wanna come to this uh kind of podium and and make your comments, give you a name and address and uh we'll get you three minutes to uh make a comment. [1:35:33, 1:35:43]: Okay. Uh my name is Regina Ubadiniru. I live at two thirty Hillendale Drive and I'm against it because um I think it's just dangerous. [1:35:44, 1:35:49]: Dangerous to families going to um to restaurants. As far as a hookah allowance. [1:35:50, 1:35:58]: Um, or cigar allowance that's different and um to each his own, but for restaurants, families. [1:35:59, 1:36:02]: Even someone by themselves going there, you want to enjoy your meal. [1:36:03, 1:36:12]: It's not going to be smoke free. You're going to be in hell in it um just like the ones who are around partaking in it. So I'm against it for that reason. Thank you. Appreciate it. [1:36:16, 1:36:24]: Hm? I think she needs your last name? My last name oo u uh uh u-b-a-d-i-n-i-r-u. [1:36:24, 1:36:34]: Mm-hmm. Okay. So comments am uh made against. Open it up. No, you're fine, ma'am. Comments that uh for were not seen. So I will close the open hearing. [1:36:34, 1:36:47]: Uh uh excuse me, the public hearing on this topic anyway. On that note, Council I need a motion whether or not uh we're gonna accept this potential uh change uh in our in ordinance here. Mayor. [1:36:47, 1:36:48]: This cat. [1:36:48, 1:37:08]: I move that we table this issue until we do further research on it and find a better way of um determining what w what facilities should we allow hookahs to be a part of. Okay. And cigar. Is there a second? I second. Ms. Barber second. All in favor please indicate. [1:37:08, 1:37:28]: Discussion. Okay. You want to have discussion, sir? Yeah, I'll do that. Make this your last comment, sir. My my com well, certainly I only got to speak one time the last time, but I thought you said I spoke three. But let me let me say this. Certainly I'm in agreement with the fact that it shouldn't be forty-nine percent. It certainly should be a much lower percentage than forty-nine percent. [1:37:28, 1:37:42]: But listen, y'all know me up here. I'm not about anything but economic development and competitiveness because soon every tax dollar we take in from a business is a tax that's that the citizens don't have to pay. [1:37:42, 1:38:02]: And when somebody looks at the chart and they say, Well, I can go to McDonough and build my restaurant like they're already doing right now, we get one here and there. They're killing us because of regulations such as this. It's the is that it's encumbersome. We got business owners that we can go back to if we do when we do table this to [1:38:02, 1:38:22]: Talk to them to see what they think about what's going on here. I'm gonna, I'm just again, I don't allow smoke in my own house, but grown folks are allowed to do what they desire to do. But again, I think we came into this with the right set of guidelines, which is it it needs to be in a separate [1:38:22, 1:38:42]: Room with its own ventilation. The separate room with its own ventilation, they can't be smoking out in the general area. They need to be smoking in a separate room with its separate ventilation. And that number needs to be uh that number of the restaurant needs to have more money. And when a business owner [1:38:42, 1:38:53]: comes to me and says I feel like I've been discriminated against because everybody around me is doing it and I don't. That's why I brought it to the council for the council to take a look at it and to see what's going on. [1:38:53, 1:39:13]: But the thing that we need to study is how many businesses are already doing it. And like Mr. Blount said, we got to go back and regulate to tell all these businesses that have already invested they can't do it anymore. So those are the things that I want staff to go back and look at. What are the percentages in the surrounding areas to be able to [1:39:13, 1:39:33]: do it and then because if you require the separate room and you require the separate ventilation, that's a high cost, that's a high barrier. I don't suppose that a whole lot of restaurants might actually do that. But again, it gives them the option to do so and it does not put the city at a competitive disadvantage. [1:39:33, 1:39:53]: Which is I can go and do this at all the cities surrounding you. That was a good point. Let's make sure that we look at what McDonough is doing, what Hampton is doing, what um you know Morro is doing, what the surrounding jurisdictions are doing, what Jonesboro is doing. Those cities, Jonesboro and McDonough are winning. And we have [1:39:53, 1:39:58]: slow economic growth in our downtown, we can't seem to bring it forward. So [1:39:58, 1:40:18]: I'm not against the proposal. I'm not for the proposal because I don't smoke again. I have never smoked and I will never smoke. I understand that, but grown folks get to decide what grown folks do. And that's what generally it refers to when you talk about freedom of expression and what you have here in our [1:40:18, 1:40:25]: city. But right now we we kind of have we're at a crux of what we're going to do. Nobody up here [1:40:25, 1:40:35]: says that smoking is okay. I ain't never said that. I would never say that. I don't think sm we know smoking is dangerous. Been on pack a cigarette now for fifty years. [1:40:35, 1:40:46]: So that's not the contention. It's dangerous. We all agree on that. But how do we come across this with our business owners and say separate room ventilation and put the standards in place? [1:40:47, 1:40:59]: Right, so otherwise uh I imagine uh Miss Carter you'll take some notes on that. The city manager motion no the motion the motion's on midmaid, so yeah, but I'm asked I wanna need to ask her if she would amend it because [1:41:00, 1:41:20]: Well, well let me before you do that, so I would imagine you took Cobra Snooks on this first, okay? You did. And I'll know that this that you're gonna crosswalk this with the city manager as well. Okay. And and I'll bring it back to you all like we had our meetings initially to talk about these matters um and address some very specific things like um the distance requirements. [1:41:20, 1:41:40]: having the separate room with proper ventilation, looking at the percentage of revenue that one would obtain from this type of business, and look at surrounding areas for to see how the percentage is set up or if it's just lounges, if it's bars, because [1:41:39, 1:41:59]: sports bars they have food and things like that. So we can make the distinction between a restaurant versus a bar versus a lounge. And then um look at code enforcement and what percentage of our city maybe there are folks who are operating, you know, outside of the the requirements of the code. So we'll need to address that as well. [1:41:59, 1:42:12]: All right. I think that covers that. Well stand by please. Mr. Blount, your concerns. Yeah, that was that was a part of what because the the actual motion that's being voted on didn't have those specifics in it. And um [1:42:13, 1:42:27]: I would like for those specifics to be in writing given to us. Okay. That those are the things that are covered in the motion that Ms. Gettys. If she's a willing to accept that as a part of the motion. [1:42:28, 1:42:48]: Oh yes, I can. I can accept those things that you're gonna research in addition to maybe you find some more, like Georgia has smoking regulation laws where if a t a child a minute child can't go into a restaurant if it's smoking, you have to be over eighteen years old. So you have to have those proper ventilation. [1:42:47, 1:42:50]: You have to have certain things separated. [1:42:50, 1:42:50]: And [1:42:51, 1:43:05]: Um can councilwin Alexander had mentioned Milan's, which is not too far from Angie's cafe, but Milan's is a lounge. It has a pool table, has a dance floor and a bar and a and a DJ booth. [1:43:06, 1:43:10]: That's totally different from a restaurant that has a menu and all they do is serve food. [1:43:10, 1:43:18]: And so we just need to be careful. We don't want to be overly saturated with those things. And once we do that, [1:43:19, 1:43:27]: Want you know, we can't just send me something to say, oh, let's vote on this and change it and allow restaurants to do this without adding in the law. [1:43:28, 1:43:29]: The state law [1:43:29, 1:43:30]: Certainly. [1:43:31, 1:43:44]: The state law is required in order to get a business license and it's already included and ventilation is part of health standards through this the county. So that would have to be maybe we need a description on what we consider a lounge and slash a restaurant. [1:43:44, 1:43:50]: And look at that number, that forty nine percent number, because uh that's a bit much. [1:43:50, 1:43:55]: Right? Um it is. Um I'm I'm just saying [1:43:57, 1:44:04]: We we need to be careful with that. And the business owner, that's on them. That that decision, I agree with Councilman Blount, that decision is on them. [1:44:05, 1:44:08]: Whether they want minors to come in there or not, but we all know. [1:44:09, 1:44:17]: You know, there are some facilities here that have the wall. There's one I can think of that has a separation and I can still smell the smoke when I walk in it. [1:44:19, 1:44:34]: I mean, I'm just saying, I mean if it's for adults, it's for adults. If it's gonna be a restaurant, it's gonna be a restaurant. And how many of these are we gonna allow? That's something we need to think about. And the reason why is because then everything becomes a lounge, restaurant. [1:44:34, 1:44:36]: They would look like old national. [1:44:37, 1:44:48]: So the our code already specifies a one mile distance requirement for these uses. So if there are uses that are happening that shouldn't be, that becomes a code enforcement matter we do need to address. [1:44:48, 1:45:00]: All right, so Miss Gand, you are s the things that were brought to the attention of Miss uh Miss Carter here, that she mentioned to you, you're willing to have those in your motion. I am. Okay and some. Whatever you can find. [1:45:01, 1:45:08]: Okay. First of all, listen um clerk, were you able to get get those specific things that were mentioned repeated by Miss Carter? [1:45:08, 1:45:23]: Most of them there. What I wanna include in there is as described by the community development director. Okay. And that means she would have that and you'll be able to interpret that and put that into the minutes itself. Okay. Did did we have a date specific that this is coming back? [1:45:24, 1:45:29]: Pacific date. Hold on Council Pacific Date. [1:45:31, 1:45:51]: I left the staff. How long do they have to do that? We can get it back at the next meeting in in July. It's July, that's July twelfth, I believe it is. Right. Because our next meeting is next week, so we won't have it by then, but we can have it by the July tenth meeting. Do we have the timeline to or will this be a continuation of the public hearing? [1:45:51, 1:45:53]: This would be a continuation. [1:45:53, 1:46:05]: It would need to unless the decision is to make the well I'll tell you since we've had the public hearing already. Yeah, we I just had it. Mr Washington. [1:46:06, 1:46:22]: Th y the it's a reference to we got a motion on the floor, we'll do some additional research, things of this nature, right? The question is which you can bring this top subject back on july tenth, our next uh next official council meeting. I'm assuming that has to be a public hearing to do that again. Once again, is that correct? [1:46:27, 1:46:36]: Okay, well we ended it tonight, but we got additional research so we'll have to conclude we'll have to extend it, is what it amounts to, it seems like to me. I just wanna make sure I got a legal opinion from you. [1:46:40, 1:46:42]: [6404.1, 6410.7]: All right. So be it's still the same. It's still the same mat. If not changed, then the public really didn't notice about it with map. [1:46:52, 1:47:06]: Okay. All right. So be it. All right, so the motion's been made on the floor. Mr. Blount, are you still seconding that motion, sir? No, uh I'm I'm sorry, but down here uh I have Gantt and Barber made. Oh Barber must Barber you will still second the motion? I'm sorry. [1:47:07, 1:47:10]: Okay, great. So Yeah, but we're s we're speaking on ventilation. [1:47:12, 1:47:14]: Can't we ventilate in here? [1:47:15, 1:47:26]: It's pretty warm in here. I mean, what's going on with the heat in it? We got a lot of people here. We're generating heat. All right, motion been made been second. All in favor of motion, please indicate. Thank you very much. Okay. [1:47:27, 1:47:37]: Uh I uh mister Aaron. Uh Mr Aaron, I know you're in a building. Is there something else that you potentially do in reference to what's happening in council chambers? [1:47:38, 1:47:39]: Screen me? [1:47:39, 1:47:41]: Okay, thank you. [1:47:42, 1:48:02]: All right, so what we have next is conditional. We'll continue on a public hearing on a different subject here. Conditional, conditional use permit case, CU 2023-01, Council District 4. Consideration of a request for the conditional use permit to allow for development of a place of worship at 713 Valley Hill Road. [1:48:02, 1:48:22]: Property is located land lot 103 of District 12 and contains 4,000 plus minus acres within a stock bridge city limits. The Planning Commission recommended approval of the staff's conditions. Plus, they added one condition that the applicant hold a community meeting prior to the 12th June council meeting. Applicant held that meeting on Monday, June. [1:48:22, 1:48:28]: June fifth. It's presented by um well Ryan, Mr. Anderson please. Okay. [1:48:30, 1:48:31]: [6515.0, 6515.2]: [1:48:36, 1:48:37]: This mouse is not working. [1:48:52, 1:48:55]: Sorry, hold on. [1:49:24, 1:49:30]: Just having a hard time, sir? Yeah. Some way get some assistance here. [1:49:31, 1:49:33]: Probably went out earlier when I had my jump drive. [1:49:35, 1:49:36]: That's not it, though. [1:49:37, 1:49:41]: Why are you taking your tape? [1:49:44, 1:49:48]: I did, but it won't won't do nothing. [1:49:48, 1:49:50]: So there I'm going to do that. Mm-hmm. [1:49:54, 1:49:55]: Not there. [1:49:58, 1:50:13]: It won't do anything. Okay, it could very well be. Yeah. Well well then that's just it'll take care of you gotta walk through the process here. [1:50:16, 1:50:22]: Don't we have any IT people here? Sorry, sir. I said we don't have anybody from IT. This thing is [1:50:22, 1:50:25]: All right, here he comes. Oh. [1:50:27, 1:50:30]: I don't know what's going on. I wanna open it's just buffer. [1:50:30, 1:50:32]: It'll save to the desktop. [1:50:39, 1:50:42]: Open up the open. [1:51:08, 1:51:13]: It's on the it's on the um [1:51:15, 1:51:17]: He also downloaded it here. [1:51:18, 1:51:20]: I'm sure that's the same out of it. [1:51:25, 1:51:42]: Please You want me to re you want me to restart? Yeah I'm gonna go restart. Nah shit. Like it's not responding on the everything. [1:51:48, 1:51:50]: Yeah. I'm just I'm just not. [1:51:52, 1:52:02]: Mayor. Yes, Mayor. If I may. And and Miss Carter, I'm sorry. Just one thing from the other one, even though we have already voted. Um, just something to think about. [1:52:02, 1:52:22]: On here it says hookah bars, lounges, cigar bar lounges, and tobacco vape shops. There's a difference between to me the hookah lounges and cigar lounges compared to someone just selling tobacco and bait. They're not actually smoking it right then and there. I definitely [1:52:22, 1:52:25]: I don't care if it is regulated. [1:52:27, 1:52:27]: Thank you. [1:52:29, 1:52:33]: Should we be doing that on the microphone? Is that we close it? [1:52:34, 1:52:38]: Did we close the mean? I thought we had closed there. We we did close the subject, sir. [1:52:45, 1:52:47]: That needs to be stricken from the record, sir. [1:52:54, 1:52:54]: Okay. [1:53:09, 1:53:10]: Yeah. [1:53:16, 1:53:20]: So [1:53:25, 1:53:27]: Uh what's going on the technology? [1:53:30, 1:53:33]: I call presentation up. Somehow the presentation that comes from revolution. [1:53:35, 1:53:37]: I think everything's all warm. [1:53:45, 1:53:46]: Yeah, it's just [1:53:48, 1:53:49]: Okay. [1:53:53, 1:53:58]: say tobacco and they are stuck. [1:54:15, 1:54:28]: Only research is just two restaurants always have you go talk during the restaurant. You should go and talk to the restaurant like that. [1:54:33, 1:54:35]: [6878.7, 6880.3]: Okay, listen to that. [1:54:42, 1:54:43]: [6889.9, 6891.7]: Oh. [1:54:52, 1:54:54]: Well, for the rest of what we may go back. [1:54:55, 1:54:56]: Because it's wild for that. [1:54:56, 1:55:08]: That's how it was set up. So in me and Platform restaurant, you told me that you would come back and apply for the other one in the later thing. [1:55:21, 1:55:23]: They've got a rule. [1:55:24, 1:55:26]: We're like the wee. [1:55:50, 1:56:01]: You know, you might be able to fifteen or fifteen percent of twenty two certain number one. [1:56:02, 1:56:05]: All these ones uh you're right, people want to. [1:56:05, 1:56:11]: Yes. [1:56:20, 1:56:24]: But I think that's the lot of cash in the end of the code. [1:56:31, 1:56:32]: This one. [1:56:34, 1:56:38]: [6999.6, 7002.5]: All those vendors are simulation. [1:56:44, 1:56:45]: [7032.5, 7034.1]: Yeah. [1:57:26, 1:57:26]: All right. [1:57:28, 1:57:31]: Okay, it looks like we're we're we're we're we got it going on now. [1:57:31, 1:57:39]: All right, Council. Uh we'll we'll continue on with the meeting. Ms. Addison, the floor is yours, sir. With the presentation. [1:57:41, 1:58:00]: Uh this is a uh application for a permit for a condition for a conditional use permit at 713 Valley Hill Road. This is one of four items that that is related to this particular development, but this particular case right here is um strictly related to the church. [1:58:06, 1:58:11]: Here's the aerial photo of the site. There's with my cursor. There, that's the property right there. [1:58:15, 1:58:17]: Here's the recorded plat for the property. [1:58:20, 1:58:40]: Give you a little background information. The property ownership. The subject property at 713 Valley Hill Road is owned by the applicant Victory Worship Center, Church of God in Christ. The applicant also owns the adjacent property to the west, parcel number 029-011-009001. Both properties have been owned by the applicant. [1:58:40, 1:59:00]: Since 2004. The first parcel is the four is a four-acre tract, and that is the parcel that we'll be discussing during this particular case, and it's for a church. Victory Worship Center is an existing church in the city of Stockbridge. Currently, it is located at 6043 North Henry Boulevard within Council District. [1:59:00, 1:59:17]: The church currently operates out of retail space and a commercial center, and it seeks to build a new church, building on the property which it which it has owned since 2009. The subject property was annexed into the city from unincorporated Henry County due to the passage of the 2022 referendum. [1:59:18, 1:59:38]: The applicant previously obtained approval in 2006 from Henry County for a conditional use permit to use the property at 713 Valley Hill Road for a place of worship. However, since the property was annexed into the city, the conditional use permit was issued by Henry County and is not valid within the city of Stockbridge, and the city [1:59:38, 1:59:41]: required the applicant to apply for a new conditional use permit. [1:59:43, 1:59:52]: For tax assessment purposes, the Henry County Tax Assessors Office maintains a list of churches within the city of Stockbridge. As of May 22, 2023. [1:59:53, 2:00:07]: There are 25 churches located within the Stockbridge City Limit. Of those, the planning and zoning staff has determined that 14 of them are located within Council District 4, including the applicant existing church at 6043 North Henry Boulevard. [2:00:09, 2:00:29]: Here's the surrounding land use for around the property. You have a main road, Valley Hill Road. The yellow is surrounding the church is RR rural residential. The gold is suburban residential. The rust is CCR. The orange is MHR, which is mobile home. [2:00:29, 2:00:40]: Residential. The brown is multifamily residential, and the light pink is C1, the medium pink is C2, the red is C3, and the teal is PUD. [2:00:49, 2:01:09]: Case facts. Um the subject property is four acres. Uh it's in District 12, Landlot 103. Once again it's in Council District 4. The Victory Worship Center, the agent is Reverend Keith G. Nation. Um the surrounding zone is to the to the north and east. You got rural residential to the south and west. You got [2:01:09, 2:01:29]: PUD, south side of Valley Hill Road, immediately of Vallandale Drive. The property along Valley Hill Road in the lowest area is vacant. To the north, you got Clayton County Water Authority. To the east, you got Vacant Residential. South and west, you got Valley Hill Station Subdivision. North you got parking recreation conservation. [2:01:29, 2:01:35]: And south and east and west, you got rural residential. Baller Hill Road is classified as a major collective. [2:01:36, 2:01:41]: Um the applicant's joint site plan shows a development proposal. [2:01:42, 2:01:53]: Uh it shows a s a church sanctuary will have a twelve thousand five hundred and eighty-six feet and the largest assembly area will have three thousand three hundred and fifty square feet. Also [2:01:53, 2:02:06]: This is uh uh really related to the next upcoming cases. On the on the joint site plan here has a townhome development consisting of fifty-six units, all three or four bedrooms at a density of seven point one two units per acre. [2:02:11, 2:02:14]: Uh the church will have a hundred and twelve parking spaces. [2:02:15, 2:02:27]: And an in addition, it's required to have 112 parking spaces and it will have an additional nine parking spaces for a total of 121 parking spaces. There is two is there are two existing residences on the property and they have two parking spaces. [2:02:30, 2:02:34]: Here's the proposed site plan of the church and the worship center. [2:02:37, 2:02:39]: Another angle of the site plan. [2:02:40, 2:02:42]: Here go the elevations for the church. [2:02:56, 2:02:59]: Not gonna go through all that for time's sake. Um [2:03:03, 2:03:23]: Staff findings. The applicant seeks to construct the church building on property which is which it has owned since 2005. Although the applicant already obtained approval from Henry County in 2006 for a conditional use permit to build a place of worship on the subject property, that condition pro conditional use permit has become void when the applicant property was annexed into the city. [2:03:23, 2:03:43]: The applicant is therefore seeking a new conditional use permit from the city. If the requested conditional use permit is approved, the applicant will relocate his existing church from his leased retail space at 6043 North Henry Boulevard to a new building to be constructed on the subject property at 713 Valley Hill Road. The applicant meets the required. [2:03:43, 2:04:03]: Standards for places of worship as well as the required standards for granting conditional use permit. In view of these facts, as well as the foregoing analysis, the planning and zoning staff conclude that the applicants request for a conditional use permit via CU 2023-01 to allow the use of it, the use of the subject property for a place of worship. [2:04:03, 2:04:06]: worship would be acceptable and should be approved with conditions. [2:04:11, 2:04:12]: Um [2:04:14, 2:04:26]: I'm gonna read the conditions. The proposed condition number one, the proposed town home development shall be constructed according to a site plan, which is very similar to the one which is shown in this [2:04:27, 2:04:47]: Which the applicant submitted entitled Proposed Victory Worship Center Master Plan. Option two Prepared by Ace Group. Dated May twentieth, twenty twenty-three. Additional building uses and activities. If additional building uses or activities are proposed on the subject property, these shall meet the requirements of subsection. [2:04:47, 2:05:01]: 3.24 of the Unified Development Code, in particular for the establishment of a church parsonage. A parsonage lot shall be delineated on the property and no daycare centers shall operate on the property since it is residentially zoned. [2:05:02, 2:05:22]: Condition number three, sufficient parking shall pre be provided at all times to adequately accommodate the anticipated growth in church membership, as well as the holding of special events with a significant number of guests. Such parking may include church bus or van parking, off-site parking with a specific distance via a shared parking agreement or another acceptable. [2:05:22, 2:05:25]: Multiple provisions to be determined and approved by the planning and zoning staff. [2:05:26, 2:05:38]: Property upkeep. The applicant was required to clean up the subject property and cut the grass. This was required by the Planning Commission. Uh the applicant was required to hold a community meeting prior to the city council meeting on June twentieth. [2:05:38, 2:05:42]: June twelfth, twenty twenty three. The applicant did that. [2:05:42, 2:05:47]: Um, does the Planning Commission recommend approval of this case with a total of these five conditions? [2:05:48, 2:05:50]: The applicant the applicant is here. [2:05:50, 2:06:00]: Yeah, uh I yeah, please uh have them come forward uh if you don't mind. Applicant uh stand by you get your chance for one second. [2:06:00, 2:06:02]: Well, okay. We can [2:06:03, 2:06:10]: We we we'd do that in just a second. Stand by. Applicant, s could you come forward for you? And uh wanna qu I wanna ask you a question here. [2:06:15, 2:06:18]: Good evening, Mayor and Council members. [2:06:18, 2:06:22]: I'm thankful for the opportunity to uh present. [2:06:22, 2:06:23]: Oh [2:06:23, 2:06:33]: uh requests before you. Well, my initial question is that in reference to the uh the meeting you had with the the meeting on the June fifth [2:06:34, 2:06:35]: How did that go? [2:06:36, 2:06:56]: We had uh made certain that we sent out over a hundred and thirty letters uh to the residents of the community. I think overall uh those who were in attendance were perhaps uh less than thirty, will not include uh the staffers. [2:06:56, 2:07:16]: Of my ministry, which were about six, and three others who were part of development staff. So I would say, venture to say, roughly about 20 uh residents were on that uh call. Uh if I need to add anything further, I could very well do so. But uh those were those who attended. Uh [2:07:16, 2:07:36]: I will say this: that of the number that were present, there were perhaps uh uh there were three, maybe four, uh, who were very uh vocal about their disapproval of our plans. Uh those that were on the call did have some remarks, but they were [2:07:36, 2:07:41]: But perhaps four that voiced their strong uh concerns about our project. [2:07:42, 2:07:46]: Okay, so this is a Zoom call, so was it was Zoom call perceived that this was not in person? [2:07:46, 2:07:58]: It was not in person. And one of the reasons I think we did not choose to do a in-person uh meeting it's because the timelines were so short. Uh we we had to get this done before this meeting. [2:07:58, 2:08:03]: А ви фельдтивозмо адважту до зум кол міни. [2:08:03, 2:08:23]: Which will allow those who are even traveling to uh to log in and be a part of the session. It would have been a preference, of course, to have an in-person uh meeting, but we did not have the adequate time to put one in place. And maybe I forgot if you said this I must have missed it. I forgot your name, sir. I do apologize. I'm Pastor Nation. Okay. Yes, sir. [2:08:23, 2:08:35]: All right. Uh Ryan, could you come back to the podium please? Please stand by, sir. Stand I want you to just be on standby, please. Thank you. All right, uh counsel, you have questions? [2:08:35, 2:08:55]: Yes. Uh I was unaware that Henry County had previously already given them approval for this particular project. Yes. So you said they purchased the property in 2009? 2005. 2005. So they've owned it since 2005. Yes. And they had endeavored. [2:08:55, 2:09:13]: Yes. Okay, when did Henry County approve the uh conditional use? They just approved the conditional use permit for the church. [2:09:13, 2:09:33]: Okay, so when did they do that? Uh in two thousand and six. Two thousand and six. So they've been operating in this fashion since two thousand six with the approval to build on that for property until they were annexed into the city. Yes, sir. So when they purchased the property, they had every intention of building a church. [2:09:33, 2:09:40]: At that facility. They had permission to build a church at that facility up until the time that they were annexed into the city. That's correct. [2:09:41, 2:09:56]: That I did not know that coming into this meeting. I'm not sure how many other people did know that'cause I certainly did not. So basically what you're telling us is that they already had the approval for the past what, a nearly seventeen year. [2:09:57, 2:10:17]: Eight how many eight seventeen, eighteen years. And then once the annexation had occurred, then now they're seeking to move forward. We just basically reaffirming the the conditional use permit. Okay, so that went through the full zoning process, it went through Henry County's Planning Commission, it went to the Board of Commissioners and it was approved both times. [2:10:17, 2:10:18]: Terms. [2:10:18, 2:10:20]: Y yes, back in two thousand and six, yes, sir. [2:10:21, 2:10:41]: Let me interrupt for a second, please. Ladies and gentlemen, um the council is going to ask questions, I'll ask questions of of the individuals that are at the podium. If you're sitting down in the audience, any one of the three sections, you need to be quiet, please. You no no need to make comments. You'll get your opportunities to speak for or against anything that comes on public uh public announcements or public hearings. [2:10:41, 2:10:50]: Here. So you'll get that opportunity. All right. So second question was how long have they been at their current location at the uh at where they are now in the strip center? [2:10:51, 2:11:11]: Uh we've been at that location for over uh twenty years. We're location we are now, holding our service, if I understand the question correctly. Okay, so you've been at the your current location in the city. In the city for over twenty for tw over twenty years. Okay. And obviously obviously uh as you move forward, this is the whole hope. [2:11:11, 2:11:14]: What's the point of order? [2:11:15, 2:11:19]: Um for public hearings or zoning cases. [2:11:19, 2:11:22]: We need to follow the proper protocols. [2:11:22, 2:11:24]: The questioning from the councils [2:11:24, 2:11:28]: Don't co don't happen until after [2:11:29, 2:11:37]: The developer makes his presentation. Of course, staff has already made their presentation. Public comments. That's nice. And then staff. [2:11:38, 2:11:42]: Ask their questions of the developer and [2:11:43, 2:11:45]: Uh the pastor and staff. [2:11:45, 2:11:46]: Not before. [2:11:47, 2:11:56]: The public makes their comments. Not true. I just ask that you allow Ms. Carter, who's a community development director. [2:11:56, 2:11:57]: To explain to you. [2:11:57, 2:12:00]: What the hearing protocols are. [2:12:00, 2:12:03]: So that we don't have the same issue that we had. [2:12:03, 2:12:04]: At the prior. [2:12:05, 2:12:07]: Rezoning. [2:12:07, 2:12:08]: This is in my district. [2:12:09, 2:12:25]: So I'll please allow her to explain you what the proper protocols are. I heard your your point of order. I'm gonna we're gonna continue on. Ms. Alizan has some questions. We're gonna continue. Point of order. Mayor Ford. Listen. Please allow the community development documents. Do you want to get an opportunity [2:12:25, 2:12:42]: What the steps, the proper protocol is for this rezoning hearing. I know the proper protocol. Now if you let if you allow me to continue on the meeting, Ms. Alexander will go ahead and call it. Mr. Alexander influencing the developer. [2:12:42, 2:13:02]: And staff here. All I'm asking is that you follow the proper procedures for a rezoning hearing and this is not it. It is it. Your point of owners overruled. I am the district representative. It doesn't matter in this case. It doesn't matter in this case. I haven't even spoken yet. Mr. Alexander, continue on, please. Because I'm expecting that. [2:13:02, 2:13:05]: And we're not. [2:13:06, 2:13:07]: Ms. Alexander, please continue on. [2:13:08, 2:13:28]: Let me say something. I've been on the planning and zoning board. I've been in doing this job now for uh eight or nine years. This is the zoning procedure. If you watch every last one of Henry County's meeting, if you watch every last one of Henry County's meetings, the staff asks questions. You ask questions of the staff first. [2:13:28, 2:13:48]: First, before anybody does anything. We done this in the past. We've been doing it for years. So I just want I just I just wanted to make sure that those two things were solid, that they had full approval for Henry County before they approached us. And the only change is that the annexation occurred, which basically [2:13:48, 2:13:51]: [8031.7, 8051.7]: That's correct. And they're coming in under the city's requirements. Absolutely. And he said that you've been in the city, they've been in the city for over twenty years at that location. As a matter of fact, see, the issue is we have a ordinance right now. So if they that against um places of gathering in strip centers [2:14:11, 2:14:12]: Is that correct? [2:14:12, 2:14:30]: We do. Because i in order to have a facility or a church, you have to have a standalone building, you have to have parking. There are a number of requirements that are required. We did that so that we can ha not have event centers and parking jamming up the strip centers. Is that correct? [2:14:31, 2:14:46]: That is correct. A minimum lot acreage is two acres and it has to be standalone. Right. We did that simply because we wanted to be able to open up those retail spaces to retail spaces and not have the parking tied up by places of assembly. Is that correct? [2:14:46, 2:14:47]: That's correct. [2:14:47, 2:15:05]: Right. So in other words, what we're doing now is if they were able to move from the location that they're at right now, which is Ty Inner Strip Center, to this standalone building, that will open up another s uh space for a n a commercial establishment. Is that correct? That is correct. All right, thank you. [2:15:06, 2:15:09]: Okay, council, any other questions? Yeah, go ahead, Mr. Blount. [2:15:09, 2:15:10]: Um [2:15:14, 2:15:23]: I guess all the information hadn't been given to me and um forgive me, I d you and I tried to connect. I had some questions I wanted to ask you, but you and I wasn't connecting. Um [2:15:23, 2:15:28]: And one one of the things that I didn't I know that people [2:15:30, 2:15:41]: find themselves looking for future usage or expansion. Businesses do it, we do it with our homes. We say, hey, we gotta start a home. Let's go buy a bigger home. [2:15:42, 2:15:46]: The only difference in this right now is that [2:15:48, 2:15:53]: he's been annexed, this property's been annexed into the city. Is that correct? [2:15:53, 2:16:04]: They made annexed into the city and they're looking to start building now. So because they're in under the city's jurisdiction, they have to meet the city requirements, which is somewhat different from the counties. [2:16:05, 2:16:16]: But prior to that, they've done everything right. They purchased the land for for future growth. They're prepared for future growth and [2:16:17, 2:16:37]: They didn't ask to be annexed to the city. And so I don't uh it it it it creates a kind of a convoluted situation because one of the things that I do is I look at each representative from those districts and I like for [2:16:37, 2:16:43]: them to take the lead, but you do have circumstances and situations that are unique. [2:16:44, 2:17:04]: And I think this is one of'em. Um, especially when it you know, when it comes to a church wanting to um expand their house of worship. So it just it just uh uh in lieu of knowing what I knew, I didn't know it to this extent. [2:17:05, 2:17:13]: Until now. Because we just got what the proposal and, you know, planning on the reports and all that, but I didn't know the [2:17:14, 2:17:17]: poor details and I'm sure I probably would have gotten that. [2:17:18, 2:17:25]: if that had been a connection which would which was attempted. Um so it it's it's just a interesting situation right. [2:17:27, 2:17:30]: Any other questions, uh go right in, Ms. Barber. [2:17:31, 2:17:37]: Ms. Carter, can you please explain and describe the rezoning hearing process? [2:17:38, 2:17:58]: Well, the the item before us is simply just the conditional use for the church. The rezoning is for the proposed townhomes. Those are the subsequent matters that are to come. But this is specifically in regards to the the church itself. Okay. I noticed that Mr. Anderson, he did provide some brief. [2:17:58, 2:18:02]: brief details in regards to the proposed townhome section. [2:18:03, 2:18:07]: But for this specific item we're only addressing [2:18:07, 2:18:16]: The conditional use permit to construct the church. That is correct. Okay. Yes now. At what point during this rezoning hearing? [2:18:16, 2:18:19]: Фа конструкціоне черч. [2:18:19, 2:18:22]: Will the public be allowed to make comments? [2:18:22, 2:18:42]: Um once you the council determines that they're asked the questions needed of staff and of the applicant, and then we open it up for public hearing for those who speak in favor and those who speak in opposition. Okay, so after the public speaks, and then you come back to the council for us to ask additional questions of staff. [2:18:42, 2:18:46]: That's correct. Okay. [2:18:51, 2:18:56]: All right, any questions, Council? Uh d Ms. Thomas, you good? [2:18:56, 2:18:57]: No question. [2:18:58, 2:19:06]: All right. Uh so another question. So otherwise if that's the case, I need a motion to to accept this particular proposal for the uh for the church. [2:19:07, 2:19:25]: Mayor Four. Mayor Four, we need we would need to open it up for the public. That's that is correct. There you go. So you're on your P's and Q's. All right. All right. Now, on that note, uh public hearing. Four. Public hearing four on the very left hand side. My very left hand side, four. [2:19:26, 2:19:27]: In the middle four. [2:19:28, 2:19:29]: Four. [2:19:29, 2:19:35]: Come on up. Well, actually what you do is line up on this side, sir. Line up on this side. Four. This is four for the church. Four on this side. [2:19:39, 2:19:52]: This is four, for the church. Just stand right there for a minute, sir. This is this is four. All right. Anybody else in the middle, four. And on this far right side, four. Approval of this the church and everything at this location. [2:19:52, 2:19:52]: All right. [2:19:53, 2:19:56]: So once you come if you're the only four, come to come here and uh [2:19:57, 2:19:59]: I'm sorry, there's somebody else on the side? [2:19:59, 2:20:03]: They can come forward. If they got come on up, man. You you can [2:20:03, 2:20:23]: Give your name and address, please, sir. You get three. Name and address and give you get three. Right. I reside at 413 Cannonball Court here in Stockbridge, part of Valley Hill Station subdivision. On this one item, the conditional use permit. [2:20:23, 2:20:43]: I'm in favor of that. Um we've known a church was wanting to move into that property uh for nearly 20 years. Um nothing has ever happened, but that was always a possibility. So as far as the conditional use for the [2:20:43, 2:20:50]: The church property itself, we have no problem, or I have no problem. Okay. Thank you. [2:20:53, 2:20:58]: So you if you I already asked the middle section, is it you wanna s you have a comment for the church? [2:20:59, 2:21:01]: I've already passed you, but come on, we got time. [2:21:04, 2:21:05]: Name and address, please. [2:21:08, 2:21:11]: Right me king one one one two Validale Drive. [2:21:14, 2:21:21]: When this first I don't know whether I'm far or against it. Well if this is comments comments a four. If you if you're against the ju if you're against the job. I'll put it out there and you y'all can [2:21:22, 2:21:25]: When no when we went to Henry County. [2:21:25, 2:21:26]: For the church. [2:21:27, 2:21:31]: Твої єрс агоф. Ви ток бата черч. [2:21:31, 2:21:33]: That's all we talked about. Okay. [2:21:33, 2:21:35]: Henry County told [2:21:36, 2:21:38]: To past or what they had to do. [2:21:38, 2:21:39]: It was accepted. [2:21:41, 2:21:41]: Every year [2:21:42, 2:21:44]: We called Henry County Sam. [2:21:44, 2:21:46]: What's gonna happen with the church? [2:21:47, 2:21:49]: Henry Canna kept saying they haven't done anything. [2:21:50, 2:21:51]: For the church. [2:21:51, 2:21:58]: There was no request to build anything, no building permits or nothing. We called year after year after year. Okay. [2:22:00, 2:22:02]: Твої тертін, твої ей тен. [2:22:03, 2:22:06]: They submitted some plans for the town homes. [2:22:06, 2:22:12]: Okay, sir. We knew nothing about it. Okay, sir, that's that's a that's coming up later. This is dealing particularly with the church. If you knew nothing about it. [2:22:13, 2:22:18]: All this time Henry County didn't know anything about townhomes. Okay. [2:22:18, 2:22:28]: We called every then. Sir listen. This is dealing with the church. You will get an opportunity to talk about specifically about the townhomes once we get through this process. But but when we talk to him [2:22:29, 2:22:32]: We hope that he would answer our questions. [2:22:33, 2:22:36]: If someone if you're saying about the church, but we couldn't get an answer [2:22:36, 2:22:52]: Which come first, the church or the townhome? Sir. Okay. You'll get the opportunity. You'll get an opportunity to do that in just a bit. Okay, the church. Yep. We could live with before. Okay. But we don't know if the church is going in [2:22:53, 2:23:00]: We don't know until we get the we find out when we take a vote. Oh, from f we when we take a vote. When the council takes a vote, they'll make a decision this evening in a few minutes. [2:23:01, 2:23:08]: Well I hope y'all can find out which comes first, the church or the town. Well, right, the church is up first. The church is up first. Thank you. [2:23:08, 2:23:09]: Now [2:23:10, 2:23:17]: Public hearing still going against. Anybody against uh the church going in this location and my far left side. Anybody against it? [2:23:17, 2:23:19]: Mm. Yes, sir. [2:23:20, 2:23:25]: Yeah, two phones over here that was in train before, uh they stirred up and uh on the [2:23:28, 2:23:48]: Okay, listen folks, pay pay attention. I I if if you if you f you gotta pay attention. I everybody's I'm not perfect and everybody no one's perfect, right? So if you're for the church, I came to each section. If you're for the church you still wanna speak, I'll allow it to happen. All right. But we gotta pay attention. All right. So does anybody else wanna come forward and get speak for the church? For the [2:23:48, 2:23:50]: A positive, a positive message. [2:23:50, 2:23:51]: Anybody? [2:23:53, 2:23:53]: All right. [2:23:53, 2:24:05]: If you're against the church going to this location, from my far left side, far left side, if you're against, I need for you to come forward and stand up and we'll acknowledge you and we'll give you some opportunity to speak. Anybody that's against the church in the middle section. [2:24:06, 2:24:11]: Against. If you're against, come on up. Line up on this side, please. Line up on this side. [2:24:11, 2:24:18]: And we'll we'll we'll we'll get you just stay right there. Don't don't don't don't move any further. Anybody else in the middle section that's against, please line up over on my left side here. [2:24:19, 2:24:21]: Against on a [2:24:21, 2:24:25]: Against the church. On my right side. My right side. Anybody against [2:24:25, 2:24:27]: Speaking with the church going its location. [2:24:28, 2:24:28]: Oh. [2:24:29, 2:24:38]: Anybody against? I want it all on one side here. Anybody against? Any else? Anybody else against? Okay. Now this is a this is speaking against the actual church going in this location. All right? [2:24:39, 2:24:42]: Sir, if you want to, if you please get on this, I want you all on one side, please. [2:24:43, 2:24:44]: All right. [2:24:44, 2:24:46]: Come on, ma'am. Use your name and address, please. [2:24:49, 2:24:55]: Good evening. My name is Jennifer Etheridge. I live at four twelve Cannonball Court and Valley Hill Station. [2:24:55, 2:25:06]: If you had asked me before our june fifth Zoom meeting, I would have been all for this church. However, after attending the Zoom meeting and being very unclear about [2:25:06, 2:25:10]: Of the purpose of the church, if there will be a church. [2:25:10, 2:25:28]: I have to say that I am not in favor of the church. I question why we've had property for eighteen years, but nothing was ever developed and they already had the opportunity to build that church within the county guidelines. Now we are asking for permission from the city. [2:25:29, 2:25:44]: with other things that might be involved with the church. So therefore, while I am a Christian and I think we do need churches in our community, I have to say that I do not agree with the church moving there now. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Um next person, name and address you get three minutes, please. [2:25:45, 2:25:46]: Yeah, come on, sir. Turn the mic. [2:25:52, 2:26:07]: Good evening. My name is Anthony Mitten. I live at 164 Valley Dale Drive, lot twelve A, which abuts the twelve acres that are under consideration. We've lived there thirty years. We value our privacy. [2:26:08, 2:26:11]: Our value of our property and our residence. [2:26:13, 2:26:13]: The church. [2:26:14, 2:26:17]: took possession of the property in February of two thousand five. [2:26:18, 2:26:21]: Put up aside and stated that they were gonna build the future home of the church. [2:26:22, 2:26:24]: For the last eighteen years [2:26:24, 2:26:25]: No church has been built. [2:26:28, 2:26:31]: Recently I received a letter in the mail [2:26:32, 2:26:37]: early May stating plans for the property, which included townhomes. [2:26:38, 2:26:43]: Over the years, that property has slowly declined, deteriorated. [2:26:43, 2:26:45]: From nice pasture land and a house. [2:26:46, 2:26:47]: To stands of hardwoods. [2:26:47, 2:26:50]: And pies have grown right up to the [2:26:50, 2:26:53]: The residences of eleven people or eleven residences that [2:26:54, 2:26:55]: Border the property. [2:26:57, 2:27:03]: When the church sent out the letter, they only sent a letter to eleven residences of the hundred and twenty five in the subdivision. [2:27:06, 2:27:07]: During that time [2:27:08, 2:27:09]: We came to the community meetings. [2:27:10, 2:27:15]: We heard Bishop Nathan speak. We asked for a town hall, which he graciously provided via Zoom. [2:27:17, 2:27:22]: And I think what's come to fruition here, at least for myself, is that this is not an embedderment of the community. [2:27:23, 2:27:24]: This is not about affordable housing. [2:27:27, 2:27:30]: Even though a five oh one c three has the right [2:27:31, 2:27:32]: To own [2:27:33, 2:27:35]: buy and sell property, there are stipulations. [2:27:36, 2:27:39]: Those stipulations state that if he sells, that must be sold to somebody. [2:27:40, 2:27:43]: To serve the community and the property as it's [2:27:43, 2:27:46]: zoned for its intended purpose. [2:27:47, 2:27:49]: What I see here is a forced sale. [2:27:49, 2:27:52]: Or excuse me, for profit sale of the property. [2:27:53, 2:27:53]: He must [2:27:54, 2:27:56]: To be able to siphon off those eight acres. [2:27:57, 2:27:59]: He must have the property rezoned. [2:28:00, 2:28:02]: In order to sell, he must have somebody buy the property. [2:28:03, 2:28:07]: They can utilize it and build in the manner for which it is rezoned. [2:28:08, 2:28:13]: I said I think the sad thing about this is that the four acres that are left will front Valley Hill Road. [2:28:14, 2:28:20]: Bishop Nation's property will no longer have any physical contact with community, which for the last four weeks. [2:28:21, 2:28:27]: He has tried to insert himself into as a part of the community. Where has the church been for the last eighteen years? [2:28:28, 2:28:31]: Why do you come to the community now and ask for our support? [2:28:33, 2:28:34]: When you never built a church. [2:28:34, 2:28:36]: You did not divulge to us. [2:28:36, 2:28:40]: What your intention was, and certainly not to the other hundred and fourteen residents. [2:28:41, 2:28:42]: At the community. [2:28:43, 2:28:44]: So I asked three things. [2:28:45, 2:28:47]: I ask him to retract. [2:28:47, 2:28:51]: His request for ordinance changes keep the twelve acres and build a church. [2:28:51, 2:28:54]: If not that, if you've not heard the Zoom meeting. [2:28:54, 2:28:56]: Delay your vote till you hear it. [2:28:57, 2:28:59]: And here the interaction between the pastor [2:29:00, 2:29:00]: His developer. [2:29:01, 2:29:02]: And the concerned citizens [2:29:03, 2:29:05]: And if nothing else, vote no. [2:29:06, 2:29:07]: So all four items. [2:29:07, 2:29:08]: In the agenda tonight. [2:29:09, 2:29:11]: And I'll just end on this. [2:29:12, 2:29:16]: I've been a Henry County resident for thirty years. I've been a member of the city of Stockbridge. [2:29:17, 2:29:20]: For five months and twelve days. I never thought I would be standing here. [2:29:21, 2:29:28]: Begging for this not to go through. Thank you. Thank you. Sir, come forward please send your name and address. [2:29:33, 2:29:53]: My name's Charlie Cook. I live at 249 Hilladale Drive. Like the last gentleman, I've uh lived in Stockbridge in my house in the uh subdivision that he mentioned also for over 30 years, original owner. I remember when they put the sign up for the church and thought that they just couldn't get it together with the funds, but you know, that's how it goes sometimes. [2:29:53, 2:30:13]: Sometimes. But now I'm more concerned for safety. I'm concerned about the transparency about the whole development, is what bothers me the most about the church. But the other thing is safety. That is the most dangerous part of Valley Hill Road. And if they're only going to have something on Sunday and they have a police [2:30:13, 2:30:30]: Policemen out there to direct traffic. I don't have a problem with that. But it doesn't sound like that that's gonna be the you know, you can't just isolate it and say, We're just talking about the church now and we'll talk about the other things later because it's a package and that's gonna double the traffic. [2:30:30, 2:30:50]: on on that road. Well, I don't know double or not, but it's gonna it's gonna make the traffic worse. I've personally witnessed two accidents right on that corner. One where a man was thrown from through the windshield and his stuff scattered everywhere. I've had people on multiple occasions, in fact now almost every time I'm on Valley Hill, people coming up on my [2:30:50, 2:31:02]: Me 10 to 20 or more miles an hour over the speed limit, passing on the double yellow line and passing on the curves. So I just think from that standpoint alone, with all the cut-through traffic from 42 [2:31:03, 2:31:15]: to East Atlanta, it's not a good location for that. And I can't say anything about the other things because that's not that part, but for that reason alone I would say I don't want the church there. Thank you, sir. Sir that won't [2:31:18, 2:31:20]: Charles Cook, two four nine Hillendale Drive. [2:31:22, 2:31:32]: Bishop, you're gonna come back here. I was gonna ask you I was gonna ask you come I was gonna ask you to come back here because it seems as though there's some concern. Mr. Cook. Mr. Cook, your address please. [2:31:33, 2:31:35]: two four nine Hill and [2:31:37, 2:31:53]: I wanna wanted you to since it seems to be a move afoot, a thought process, the reasoning why all this time's taken so I can only assume. So I want you to offer offer you an opportunity to express what had happened, provided you want to do that and what has happened over the last eighteen years, if it makes sense to help justify this. [2:31:53, 2:32:05]: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh let me state first of all that the concerns of the residents are not at all should be taken lightly. Those questions raised should be viewed as important questions. [2:32:05, 2:32:10]: I want to address three things that has surfaced uh by the residents that have spoken so far. [2:32:11, 2:32:12]: First I want to talk about timeline. [2:32:13, 2:32:16]: А I would say this that when we purchased that property. [2:32:17, 2:32:20]: I had a very broad vision for that property. [2:32:21, 2:32:24]: I can go back and pull up minutes from our church. [2:32:24, 2:32:29]: We talked about a two phase plan for the use of that property. [2:32:29, 2:32:34]: We thought initially that we'll focus on building a church, a very small facility. [2:32:34, 2:32:38]: Along with that, we looked at a a second part of that plan as [2:32:39, 2:32:41]: Building a larger facility. [2:32:41, 2:32:45]: Because we thought at that particular time we only needed a small facility to worship. [2:32:46, 2:32:49]: That was on the smaller portion of the property. [2:32:50, 2:32:53]: Батєм, ви гад сам чаленджес. [2:32:53, 2:32:57]: It was financial challenges. The church is not a for profit entity. [2:32:58, 2:32:59]: And so it has to rely on the [2:33:00, 2:33:01]: А фрі гіфс. [2:33:01, 2:33:03]: contribution of its members. [2:33:03, 2:33:07]: And at that particular time we found that we were not able to secure the funding. [2:33:08, 2:33:09]: To build that [2:33:09, 2:33:11]: uh first plant that we had. [2:33:12, 2:33:14]: We then sought a second plan. [2:33:15, 2:33:19]: I don't remember quite the timelines we attempted the first time, but back then in [2:33:19, 2:33:20]: uh two thousand [2:33:21, 2:33:21]: Five. [2:33:22, 2:33:23]: That's when we [2:33:24, 2:33:26]: Пут проб ефець форту. [2:33:26, 2:33:29]: а геар план з плес [2:33:29, 2:33:30]: I have here my hand. [2:33:30, 2:33:33]: А фул компліт сет оп'я. [2:33:34, 2:33:37]: Architectural plans which includes plumbing, electrical [2:33:37, 2:33:38]: Engineering. [2:33:39, 2:33:40]: HBHC [2:33:40, 2:33:43]: That was part of our application. [2:33:43, 2:33:44]: At Henry County. [2:33:45, 2:33:48]: We spent quite a bit of funds to secure these plans. [2:33:48, 2:33:49]: Unfortunately [2:33:51, 2:33:52]: Things did not happen. [2:33:53, 2:33:56]: Planned fell through, we're not able to go forward. [2:33:56, 2:34:00]: We're tempted again to try to do another project. [2:34:01, 2:34:05]: In that third attempt, we had broadened our focus to consider. [2:34:05, 2:34:11]: That if we cannot do the church by itself, what can we do jointly? [2:34:11, 2:34:15]: To move the процес forward, the church has always been the priority. [2:34:15, 2:34:16]: Uh [2:34:16, 2:34:18]: Of course pandemic happened. [2:34:18, 2:34:20]: We had no control of that. We had to regroup. [2:34:21, 2:34:24]: А ви тріту путфор. [2:34:25, 2:34:28]: And at that particular time we thought we were gonna purchase a building. [2:34:28, 2:34:29]: Which we did not. [2:34:29, 2:34:32]: And so we are here now. We've found a partnership. [2:34:33, 2:34:40]: I will talk to mister Fatimi Monly momentarily, but through this partnership joint partnership. [2:34:40, 2:34:41]: Are we able to [2:34:41, 2:34:43]: decide to move forward. [2:34:44, 2:34:45]: I just want to talk a little bit about the [2:34:46, 2:34:47]: notification. [2:34:47, 2:34:48]: Uh [2:34:48, 2:34:58]: We did our best to follow the guidelines of the city planners, and by their regulation, they only required us to notify the residents that are immediately adjacent to our property. [2:34:59, 2:35:04]: It was unintentionally done that we did not notify the other residents. [2:35:04, 2:35:10]: Uh I'm taking the lead and I'm trying to follow as best as I can the rules that were in place. [2:35:10, 2:35:17]: It's my regret we did not do that. Hindsight is better than foresight. If I haven't another opportunity, I certainly would do that. [2:35:18, 2:35:22]: But here we are. We discovered that we needed to inform the other residents, and that we did. [2:35:23, 2:35:25]: And so it's not a matter of [2:35:25, 2:35:26]: Impromptu [2:35:27, 2:35:30]: Was not a underhanded move. [2:35:30, 2:35:32]: We're not trying to be [2:35:32, 2:35:35]: uh avert in our plans [2:35:35, 2:35:37]: We're not trying to be deceitful. [2:35:38, 2:35:42]: We're trying to move the ministry forward, and we have discovered over the years. [2:35:43, 2:35:45]: We simply cannot funktion. [2:35:45, 2:35:48]: На норме энд омистри программ. [2:35:49, 2:35:50]: In the place where we are. [2:35:51, 2:36:01]: And as cited by yourself, I believe, or one of your members, parking is quite an issue. We almost got evicted once because of the very point that has been made. [2:36:02, 2:36:03]: So if we don't have a place to go. [2:36:04, 2:36:08]: А доноват і не футбол стопберз деток. [2:36:08, 2:36:13]: uh the new ordinances ordinances. So that's where we are at this point. We are certainly in [2:36:14, 2:36:17]: And a place where we want to work with our residents. [2:36:17, 2:36:19]: I am sensitive to their concerns. [2:36:20, 2:36:23]: А ви на монету біником ти креть хардші? [2:36:23, 2:36:31]: Uh, we want to have a listening ear. I do understand they're they've placed value in their property, but I can I can assure you that what we're going to build. [2:36:32, 2:36:47]: is going to be an asset, it's going to be a value, it's going to represent the community well. I just want to leave those points uh at this time and I if I need to, I'll come back. Yes sir. Any additional questions for the for the bishop here? Yeah. Miss Ms uh Barber, go ahead please. [2:36:51, 2:36:56]: As the city council district representative for this particular area [2:36:57, 2:36:59]: I've spoken with Pastor Nation. [2:36:59, 2:37:02]: On several occasions, as recent as this past Friday. [2:37:04, 2:37:08]: I've also listened to the concerns of the residents in the area. [2:37:08, 2:37:11]: And I share in some of their concerns as part as far as the [2:37:12, 2:37:14]: residential component. [2:37:14, 2:37:34]: But we're dealing with the church at this point. One question I have is: there is safety concerns around that curve just beyond your proposed development of the church. Do you plan to have or hire a law enforcement officer to die? [2:37:34, 2:37:37]: direct traffic during those hours of worship. [2:37:38, 2:37:40]: Absolutely. We [2:37:40, 2:37:44]: Hearing the concerns of the residents initially, we knew that [2:37:45, 2:37:49]: Especially on our worship days, we will have to have someone out there directing traffic. [2:37:50, 2:37:52]: But having heard the concerns of the residents. [2:37:53, 2:37:56]: А ви контак вобі одну. [2:37:56, 2:37:58]: А план то пути. [2:37:58, 2:37:59]: In the future. [2:38:00, 2:38:01]: And so we would not uh [2:38:02, 2:38:04]: uh look at that as something [2:38:04, 2:38:12]: Um minor but something of of great importance. Okay, that would be a condition um that I'd like for the council. [2:38:13, 2:38:19]: to include if they so desire to make a motion to approve this. I understand that Heron County [2:38:20, 2:38:24]: Had already approved a conditional use permit and staff has [2:38:24, 2:38:25]: Pretty much. Um [2:38:27, 2:38:36]: agreed with the same. That is what is before us. I just asked my councilmates to please consider the safety concerns along that stretch of road. [2:38:37, 2:38:57]: Thank you. Mr. Mr. Alzana, go ahead, please. Yes, sir. There were some legitimate questions that were raised, um, certainly listening. What is the timetable for building the church? Since we're talking about the church portion, that specific question was asked. So if you were given the approval to build the church, what is your timetable for building the church? [2:38:57, 2:39:03]: building the church. Uh let me just uh point to two individuals that is part of my [2:39:03, 2:39:04]: Planning the decision. [2:39:05, 2:39:17]: Uh I have to my left Mr. Fatimi, he is the developer. Uh Mr OG is the architect. Uh these two gentlemen are jointly connected to this project. Incidentally, Mr. OG [2:39:18, 2:39:38]: has been working with us since the very beginning. In fact he's part of this plan. So why don't you come to the podium please? Mr. OG? Associate Mr. Uh Fatimi. Now Mr. Fatimi would be the the developer for the town homes. But [2:39:38, 2:39:58]: Hold on, folks. I told you before, if you you'll get your opportunity to speak, do do not shout out from the audience unless it's your time to speak. If you continue that, I have the option to remove you. I'd rather not do that. But I have done it before and I will. So do not out speak out from the audience when we're having a [2:39:58, 2:40:00]: Thank you very much. [2:40:00, 2:40:04]: Go ahead, sir. You know, I perhaps I need to uh insert this point. [2:40:05, 2:40:06]: Uh you know [2:40:06, 2:40:14]: One of the things that we've always tried to do with our development plans is to let the project of the church stand on its own. [2:40:14, 2:40:26]: That's always been our plans. Prior to meeting Mr. Fatimi, I had another developer that I spoke with. We thought then we were going to do a joint project with the church and [2:40:26, 2:40:29]: Homes. We were looking at condos at that particular time. [2:40:30, 2:40:31]: That plan fell through. [2:40:32, 2:40:34]: When I met Mr. Fatimi [2:40:34, 2:40:37]: He has an interest in building town homes. [2:40:38, 2:40:42]: We did not have an interest in building town homes specifically. [2:40:42, 2:41:01]: But he has an interest. One of order. Mayor Ford, but can we stick with the item as it is on the agenda? This is in reference to the church. The church. Thank you. I I I the re I I I do thank you for that in uh interjection, uh sis uh council member. The reason why I bring this point up because the timeline is the question. [2:41:01, 2:41:02]: Timeline is the question. [2:41:03, 2:41:04]: And so I'm trying to [2:41:04, 2:41:20]: uh introduce my response to that question by just making mention of that. But if I need to uh set that aside for another point, I'll uh time I can do that. Let me go to the question specifically. Timeline, Mr. Fatimi, would you like to speak to that please? [2:41:20, 2:41:37]: Uh because the reason why I'm asking him, because he's the developer for the entire project, but both projects initially are jointly at some point, but individually at another. Yes. If we can. [2:41:39, 2:41:59]: Thank you, Mayor. Um first we're gonna do the land disturbs permit. Land disturbed permit is for entire package. And then we're gonna design and build the um the road system. We're gonna design and build the uh sewer system, water system to come to the church as well as goes to the townhouse. So [2:41:59, 2:42:07]: So when uh Bishop talks about um is it how does the timeline go, both projects go at the same time. [2:42:07, 2:42:15]: Okay. Um So m to follow up on that, so uh I needed how long when are you planning to get started? [2:42:15, 2:42:17]: As soon as we get a lamb, this is permit. [2:42:17, 2:42:21]: So it's basically land disturbance permits, staff takes about how long? Staff [2:42:22, 2:42:26]: For us we tell it three months for us to design it and then we submit for permit. [2:42:27, 2:42:37]: Okay. So you plan on getting started in three months if if approved for the church? Yes, sir. Okay, and that's land disturbance and then going immediately into construction. [2:42:38, 2:42:47]: Yes, sir. Not just clearing the land, you're doing construction immediately after the clearing. That's our plan. Yes, that's the plan. Okay, thank you. [2:42:48, 2:42:56]: Right. Any other questions from yes, go ahead please. Do you have an actual rendering of what the church will look like? [2:42:58, 2:42:59]: Yes, we have. [2:43:00, 2:43:03]: the elevations that I think [2:43:03, 2:43:05]: All of you have oh [2:43:06, 2:43:11]: So uh I let me introduce myself. I know I staff provided me with [2:43:11, 2:43:17]: with what was submitted, um, but I'm not act I'm not able to see. [2:43:17, 2:43:28]: What it actually looks like. What I have looks like a excuse me, sir page from a coloring book and I'm not able to see what the actual design looks like. [2:43:31, 2:43:37]: Mr. Gardner. And could you do me a favor? I don't see our police officers in here. I need them in here, please. [2:43:45, 2:43:49]: At the town home, where's the church? [2:43:49, 2:43:51]: The church on the cycle. [2:43:52, 2:43:57]: Uh well the side uh and the elevations. [2:43:59, 2:44:04]: No, that's the elevation. She sent you a picture of the uh. [2:44:06, 2:44:16]: Yeah. Just the town home. The church. The church. Oh, that's the same thing. Yeah, I showed the church earlier. [2:44:17, 2:44:18]: I showed the church earlier. [2:44:20, 2:44:40]: May may I may I speak to the church elevations right there? Do you have uh what do you have that destined too? This is the four elevations, uh basically three elevations of the church. The first one on your left, that is the front, facing [2:44:40, 2:44:42]: The major road. [2:44:42, 2:44:44]: Yeah, yeah okay. [2:44:44, 2:44:44]: Yeah. [2:44:48, 2:44:50]: Okay. This various one is. [2:44:51, 2:45:00]: Just for the audience. Oh for the audience over there? I don't know if you can see that. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Speaker. Oh does that does that does that actually work? [2:45:00, 2:45:04]: Can they see it? Can you guys see what is wanted? [2:45:05, 2:45:15]: He's looking at over there. Oh yeah, okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. That first one is the front elevation of the church. And [2:45:16, 2:45:20]: The the lower one [2:45:21, 2:45:26]: Is the side elevation which you pointed over here? Yeah. [2:45:27, 2:45:43]: with a canopy for drop off in case of rain or anything of that nature. Now that front, you see the geometrical form in that front, that front is gonna be finished by with brick. [2:45:44, 2:46:01]: Okay, and beyond walls by ephes and around the whole length of the uh the church you have two feet eight inches uh height. [2:46:01, 2:46:03]: Of brick. [2:46:04, 2:46:24]: Ro going around the the building, okay, at window seal level. Now this part here can you see it? Can you see that? Yeah, hold on a second. If I just may interject, I realize the question is uh do we have a picture of the church? Uh I don't know if you really [2:46:23, 2:46:35]: really wanted to go into full elaborate explanation. Yeah. But but I would simply say this and timelines and the resources of the church, we were not at the point [2:46:35, 2:46:49]: To develop a full blown um rendering of the church. So this is what we were able to pull together with Mr. OG, uh, because the church upon this time, at to this point, is funding [2:46:49, 2:46:51]: All of what's being done. [2:46:51, 2:46:53]: Because we won't get the [2:46:53, 2:46:58]: uh funds in hand to build until this approval is Carter, could you come forward please? [2:47:05, 2:47:21]: So it's my simple assumption that as as if if this is approved and they go if this is approved tonight, they go forward with this, everything they have to do with building this church has to come to your department anyway for your eyes to look on and make sure it matches everything outlined by our in our codes and in in our UDC, things of this nature. [2:47:21, 2:47:41]: That's correct. So typically at the zoning stage, whenever anything is brought to you all, it's a conceptual plan. They still have to submit plans if this is approved in accordance with the code. And the code allows for them to have brick, stone, high grade stucco uh with you know for this building itself per the code. So we would do the [2:47:40, 2:47:50]: The review based upon that. All right. As far as buffers, setbacks, and all of that, that's required of the code. All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. Stand by though, just in case. [2:47:50, 2:48:05]: All right. Any other questions? Okay what what standby? Go ahead, Miss Scant. Okay, thank you. Um Ms. Carter, a couple of questions. I keep hearing joint site plan. So if we fail uh uh is this site plan [2:48:06, 2:48:26]: Do we have to v when we vote, let's say I approve the church. I'm not worried about the per let me let me say this. The church was approved by the county ye eighteen years ago. A church I I don't care if it was 30 years ago. I totally get it. The church, the purpose of that land was to [2:48:26, 2:48:35]: To build a church. We could say, for instance, folks, we've been waiting on a Jodeco as long as I've been living here, and that's been over 20 years. [2:48:35, 2:48:55]: But we finally it finally happened. You can't make someone who probably owns a piece of property build on that property until they're financially ready and capable of doing so. So I'm not worried about how long that that didn't raise a red flag to me. But what does raise a red flag to me or what what does concern me is we have a joint site plan. [2:48:55, 2:48:56]: Yeah. [2:48:58, 2:49:18]: So I want to make sure that if I approve this conditional use for the church, that doesn't necessarily mean I have to approve the use for townhomes. And I'm not saying I wouldn't approve the townhomes. I haven't heard all of [2:49:18, 2:49:38]: of the information on the townhomes as of yet. I'm okay right now with the church, but it was filed jointly. And Bishop, you actually stated that you're relying on this the renderings that we have right here. These are very simple and and just abstract, right? [2:49:37, 2:49:51]: And what we've been told is you're relying on funds from the congregation or the community in order to build as of now, unless this project goes through. So that lets me know that maybe [2:49:51, 2:50:11]: Just maybe funds would be received to help build this church if the townhomes were approved because they were filed jointly. Now that doesn't mean that's the case. I'm a real estate lawyer, but that doesn't mean that's the truth. I'm just trying to combine, trying to figure out what's going on here and why was it filed jointly? Why is this a joint site plan? [2:50:11, 2:50:20]: Why can't that site play in a church and townhomes unless there's something I'm missing here? Why are they combined together? [2:50:20, 2:50:27]: Why couldn't they be separate? And Miss Carter, my my question is, if I vote on this, does that automatically [2:50:28, 2:50:32]: Allow for the town homes to come in in any legal way. [2:50:32, 2:50:40]: It does not. This request is simply for the church itself. The items came in, if I may, and Mr. Nation can can add to it. [2:50:41, 2:51:01]: The reason why this came in as um the lot that it did, they had to separate the lot in order to break away the portion to be utilized for the church and the portion to be utilized for the uh the the townhome development. So that's just part of circumstance. However, this particular request before you at the [2:51:01, 2:51:11]: this moment is for the church only. There are two additional requests that will come after these in regards to the townhome and the variants that pertaining to the townhomes. [2:51:11, 2:51:31]: Okay. All right. And Mayor, having heard that, um, I don't want to beat around the bush and go back and forth. If this is only specifically pertaining to the church, then I'd like to make a motion to approve uh you know what, Councilman Woman Barber, this is your district. Stand by a second. I'm sorry. Stand by a second. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. Uh yeah, I just want to say that [2:51:31, 2:51:41]: That um this church, and we're talking specifically about the church, if this had not come into the city of Stockbridge. [2:51:42, 2:51:45]: This church will be allowed to be a church. [2:51:47, 2:51:51]: Only thing the church is coming to the city for right now [2:51:51, 2:51:55]: is to allow to be a church in the city of Stockbridge. [2:51:56, 2:51:58]: To get the church [2:51:58, 2:52:02]: now from the city of Startbridge, just without anything else. [2:52:03, 2:52:04]: So [2:52:04, 2:52:07]: If the intent was to be a church. [2:52:07, 2:52:11]: And the intent was to the community that was gonna be a church. [2:52:11, 2:52:15]: The church just wants to be allowed to be a church. [2:52:18, 2:52:38]: Sir. Yeah. Yes, go ahead please. Uh the the one thing that I want to say to this whole argument is this is why it's so hard for us to get the development that we that we seek so hard in the city. This was a very simple question. It started out at the very beginning. They already had approval for a church. Went [2:52:37, 2:52:42]: through the full process and it's taken us an hour to get to this point. [2:52:42, 2:52:45]: It should not have taken us an hour to get to this point. [2:52:45, 2:52:53]: Because in the US Constitution, the very first amendment guarantees to the freedom of expression and religion. [2:52:54, 2:52:55]: This is very [2:52:56, 2:52:59]: Іс іс іс концерна да ви гонто одес. [2:53:00, 2:53:02]: concerning a religious facility. [2:53:03, 2:53:22]: And we certainly don't want to send out that message that we are oppressing someone's religious rights because this is what this is. This is a religious institution and it's federally protected under the Constitution. We know that. So the what we've already established at the beginning, let's move on. [2:53:24, 2:53:41]: All right. On that note, that there are no other comments from the council oh I'm sorry, Mr. Thomas Gwake, please. Well j just briefly and and I I do understand Councilman Alexander's uh comments, but what you fail to realize is you have to always allow the people [2:53:41, 2:53:49]: Their voices have to be heard. Certainly. And you have to allow that. It doesn't matter if you take one hour, if it takes twenty hours. [2:53:50, 2:53:52]: We have to always hear. [2:53:53, 2:54:06]: And I appreciate all y'all coming. The decision we make, that's something totally separate. But I'm always in favor of allowing people to come and to voice because we represent the people. [2:54:06, 2:54:09]: So I don't wanna [2:54:09, 2:54:18]: slight the fact that it's taken us this time. Certainly because I have to respond. H hold on, hold on. Come on now, you know that's not me. [2:54:20, 2:54:22]: All I'm saying is Mr Thomas, go ahead. [2:54:22, 2:54:26]: I'm not I'm not saying anything against Councilman Alexander. [2:54:26, 2:54:35]: I'm reinforcing the fact that citizens, certainly, you have the right and opportunity. [2:54:35, 2:54:37]: to come and voice your opinion. [2:54:38, 2:54:40]: We as elected official [2:54:40, 2:54:42]: We have the burden of [2:54:43, 2:54:44]: And the responsibility [2:54:44, 2:54:46]: To make decisions. [2:54:47, 2:54:49]: So all I'm saying is [2:54:49, 2:54:49]: Mm-hmm. [2:54:49, 2:54:51]: You all are gonna voice your opinions? [2:54:52, 2:54:54]: And we're going to make a decision. [2:54:54, 2:54:57]: No ifs, no ands, no buts. [2:54:57, 2:55:03]: But I just want to say, Mr. Alexander, when you see that that comment that you you could have kept that one. [2:55:03, 2:55:17]: Let the people speak. Certainly I I want to respond to that. Mr. Tommy. I'm not saying this for you even to respond. But I have But I'm just saying sometimes, sometimes [2:55:18, 2:55:31]: Some things just should not be said. And that's one of those things that should not have been said. But all I'm saying is to the people, I don't want the people to think that they cannot come to the city hall in the city of Stockbridge and cannot speak. [2:55:33, 2:55:43]: I I certainly don't need you to tell me that. I'm sorry, I don't. Yeah. So what I'm what I'm s or you So I I just I just want these citizens to be feel comfortable that when they come here [2:55:44, 2:55:46]: And and the mayor is correct in [2:55:47, 2:55:49]: Asking you all to be quiet. [2:55:49, 2:56:01]: to let us go through the process. But all I'm saying is whether you are against, whether you're in favor, you will have your opportunity to speak. And that's all I'm talking about. [2:56:01, 2:56:21]: It doesn't matter. We have been here at times to after midnight. But we allowed, you have to allow people to speak. It doesn't matter how much time. When we took on this job, when we took an oath for this job, we realized then that there's no time limits to when we have to legislate. [2:56:21, 2:56:28]: So all I'm saying, Councilman is and I'm I'm not throwing anything toward your way, but I'm just saying sometimes we [2:56:29, 2:56:38]: have to be understandable and sensitive to the fact and sometimes that's re you know, if y'all notice I don't say a lot here. Because [2:56:39, 2:56:44]: Y'all are coming here to voice your opinion and we want to hear you all. [2:56:45, 2:57:05]: You want so all I'm saying is I'm I'm I'm here to hear from you all. I receive phone calls, I receive email, but I'm just saying you have a right to come here and voice, and we will make a decision. Thank you, Mayor. You're welcome. All right. I just wanted to respond briefly. I certainly had no [2:57:04, 2:57:24]: No problem with the citizens coming forward to speak. You can give it- they're not the problem. We're the problem. I'm sorry. We are the problem. We have convoluted this process to where it is, where it's been extended this time. Their time period, they'll only had, we only had about six or seven speakers. That's not the way we're not. [2:57:24, 2:57:44]: What the time is the issue is the amount of rigor that we put them to for a technicality. That's what my problem is. I certainly would never have a problem with staying here all night to hear the citizens speak, but I have a problem with us speaking. That's my clarity. I just want to clarify that. All right, now we've had enough of that, right? So we need a motion to [2:57:44, 2:57:48]: Is a public hearing closed. [2:57:48, 2:58:08]: The no, this is the public hearing portion of this has already ended. We've already been down that road. Excuse me. I need a motion to uh either accept or pr disprove this particular [2:58:08, 2:58:23]: accept or disapprove this the church being built at this location. Okay so as the district council representative for this area um who represents the people who are here, I'd like to make the motion if you don't mind. Just go right in. [2:58:28, 2:58:32]: I motion to approve staff's recommendation. [2:58:33, 2:58:35]: To construct the [2:58:35, 2:58:36]: Worship center. [2:58:36, 2:58:40]: Um the property is located in land lot one oh three of district [2:58:41, 2:58:42]: City Council District Four. [2:58:44, 2:58:46]: And I wanna add a condition. [2:58:46, 2:58:46]: Um [2:58:47, 2:58:48]: That they [2:58:51, 2:58:56]: Also hire um someone from law enforcement during worship hours. [2:58:56, 2:59:16]: All right, is there a second motion? Second. Yes, that's not second that. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. May I ask um when you say hire a law enforcement officer if you wanted to add to conduct traffic because you just right here it just says law enforcement officer. Yes, to hire a law enforcement professional during worship [2:59:16, 2:59:19]: Worship hours for traffic enforcement. [2:59:20, 2:59:27]: Thank you. All right. That motion's been amended. Uh Mr. Alexander, you second that motion still at this point? All right. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:59:28, 2:59:31]: May I just a quick question. Are we able? [2:59:32, 2:59:36]: To be able to put that stipulation on someone to hire someone. [2:59:36, 2:59:50]: Legally. Well I w I would tell I I I would probably get a legal opinion about it, but I I realize this that churches I have tended in my church, they always have someone out there for traffic control anyway. No, that's that's fine if if people have people can hire people to do anything. [2:59:50, 3:00:05]: But can we put a stipulation on the church or any entity to hire someone to do a certain step up to control transportation? I would have I'll have to get a legal opinion on that, whether or not that makes sense. I I would think it's fine. But uh Mr. Rodson, you have any thoughts? [3:00:06, 3:00:08]: I don't need to research that challenge. [3:00:08, 3:00:15]: Are they agreeable to Mayor Ford? I like to um amend my motion. Okay, you can amend the motion. Go ahead. [3:00:16, 3:00:18]: [10818.4, 10819.4]: Same motion. [3:00:19, 3:00:20]: But the condition [3:00:21, 3:00:23]: I like to make sure that this [3:00:23, 3:00:24]: Church. [3:00:25, 3:00:26]: Has someone [3:00:27, 3:00:29]: Who will perform traffic? [3:00:29, 3:00:30]: Enforcement. [3:00:30, 3:00:32]: During worship hours. [3:00:33, 3:00:33]: Mm. [3:00:33, 3:00:41]: So remove the higher part. Just they need someone or some people enforcing traffic. [3:00:42, 3:01:02]: There there there, Mayor. There again, are we allowed to put a transportation element in the conditions for any approval of any project? I I think we could do that simply because it this deals with the church itself. I don't see why they wouldn't want to do that. [3:01:02, 3:01:22]: Well, right now the attorney says you have to research that. She's made a motion. I believe the motion has been secondary. Yeah, the w the the way that they do this in zoning procedures is if it's agreeable to the applicant, anything in Georgia is agreeable between two parties is legal. So he doesn't [3:01:21, 3:01:34]: need to look it up. If it's agreeable with the church, then we can use it. Is it ag asked the applicant, is it agreeable? He said that earlier though, actually. Go ahead, sir. Go ahead. I asked him, was that his intention? If it is, it's good. [3:01:34, 3:01:51]: Yep, th in response to that, uh in speech sympathetic to the residents, we wanted to take that into consideration. In fact, in our discussion, we said we'll definitely would have to make certain that we have staff representative to control traffic at at worship hours. Fine. So so that's [3:01:52, 3:01:55]: Yes, yes. [3:01:55, 3:02:15]: Go right here, please. What's your con current congregation size? We're less than a hundred members right now. But keep in mind we're in a place where we're restricted by fire zone. We cannot grow our ministry beyond that. If we were to do so, we would be shut down. So we're strictly limited to the number of occupants we can have in that facility. [3:02:15, 3:02:15]: Okay. [3:02:16, 3:02:17]: All right, so a motion's been made. [3:02:18, 3:02:20]: Certainly. And been seconded by Mr. Alexander. [3:02:20, 3:02:24]: And I'm assuming that the clerk you have all that written down properly. [3:02:25, 3:02:28]: All right. On that note, all in favor motion, please indicate. [3:02:29, 3:02:36]: Nam's decision. Thank you very much. You have your church, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you, sir. All right. We'll move on to the next thing. [3:02:37, 3:02:57]: Comprehensive Plan Amendment KCP 2023-01 Council District 4. Consideration of request for a comprehensive plan amendment to assign the future land use designation of high density residential to parcel number 29-0100901 on Valley Hill Road to allow for the construction of a [3:02:57, 3:03:17]: Town home development. The applicant of Victory Worship Center represented by Keith G Nation. The property is located land lot 103 of District 12 and is contained 7.864 acres within the city starboard city limits. The planning commission recommended approval with the staff conditions, plus, they added one condition that the applicant holds a [3:03:17, 3:03:37]: Community meeting prior to June 12th council meeting. The applicant held that meeting Monday, June 5th. Um, Ryan, please. All right. Um, the applicant's request assigned the future land use designation of high density residential to the subject property. The applicant also simultaneously submitted two other applications to the city of Stockbridge for the subject. [3:03:37, 3:03:46]: property, a rezoning application which we're will be will which we will be discussing next, and a variance application, which will be the final case we hear tonight. [3:03:54, 3:04:14]: Okay. The subject property and the adjacent property at 713 Valley Hill Road are both owned by Victory Worship Center. The applicant's proposed townhome development would be inconsistent with the property's current land use designation of low density residential for three reasons. The type of use, townhomes as well as other multifamily. [3:04:14, 3:04:34]: Family uses are not permissible. It's not a permissible use under the low density residential designation. The MFR, reason number two, the zoning district. The MFR district is not a permissible zoning district within the low density residential designation. The proposed density, the proposed density of 7.1% [3:04:34, 3:04:43]: One two units per acre would exceed the low density residential designation, allowable density of one point two five to two units per acre. [3:04:45, 3:04:50]: Here's a rendering of a well aerial photo of the parcel boundary before the new plat. [3:04:53, 3:05:10]: This is the uninqu this is the uh property with that, this is the site that doesn't have an address assigned to it. And uh this is 713 Valley Hill. This is uh an area photo of this site before uh the new plat. And uh up next is the new plat. [3:05:10, 3:05:18]: And if you if you play close attention to New Platte, you can see that they will share the church and the town ho and the town and the proposed town home development will will share a driveway. [3:05:20, 3:05:21]: So here's the surrounding zoning. [3:05:23, 3:05:25]: The surrounding land use designation. [3:05:27, 3:05:29]: Case facts, um [3:05:30, 3:05:37]: The surrounding zone and to the north and east is RR Rural Residential, to the south and west PUD Plan Unit Development. [3:05:37, 3:05:50]: Uh property location, the property is located on the south side of Valerie Hill Road, immediately east of Valley Dale Drive. Uh the property condition fairly level and partially wooded. The front part of the property along Valley Hill Road is the lowest. [3:05:51, 3:06:02]: Uh the surrounding land uses the you got the Clayton County Water Authority facilities and Georgia Power Company facilities to the north. To the east you got single family residence at 713 Valley Hill Road. [3:06:03, 3:06:11]: To the south and west, you got the Valley Hill Station Subdivision with approximately 126 lots for single-family detached homes. [3:06:12, 3:06:25]: Um the applicant presented a joint site plan showing both development proposal of 56 townhomes, all three in four bedroom at a density, once again a density rate of 7.1. [3:06:25, 3:06:26]: Тунис про акер. [3:06:26, 3:06:37]: Uh the sanctuary will have 12,000, the church sanctuary will have 12,586 feet square feet, and the largest assembly area will have 3,350 square feet. [3:06:39, 3:06:51]: Uh the proposed victory worship master plan dated May twentieth. This was the second revised site which was presented by the applicant to the Planning Commission on May twenty fifth. [3:06:56, 3:07:16]: parking. The minimum required parking for the church is 112 units. I mean 112 spaces. The applicant will provide nine additional spaces for a total of 121 units. For the proposed town home development, uh the applicant will have a is required to have 126 parking spaces, and that's what they will provide, 126 parking spaces. [3:07:16, 3:07:18]: Here's the proposed site plan. [3:07:20, 3:07:22]: And you can see that they have a shared driveway. [3:07:25, 3:07:30]: Matter of fact, the church would have to get an easement from the um the town home property. [3:07:32, 3:07:33]: Site plan enlarged. [3:07:36, 3:07:56]: Uh analysis of requests. The first criteria we have to consider is is this proposal consistent with the comprehensive plan? The request to high density residential land use designation will be consistent with the comprehensive plan for the following reasons. The type of use, the proposed townhome development would be a permissible. [3:07:56, 3:07:57]: Yeah. [3:07:57, 3:08:17]: The comp plan on page 45 identifies multifamily zone as compatible with the high density residential future land use designation. And the proposed density would be 7.12 units per acre, which is within the allowable range of the 6 to 16 units per acre for high density residential. [3:08:17, 3:08:37]: of the surrounding uh developments. Uh the adjacent Valley Hill station has about 126 lots on 67 acres for a density rate of only 1.89 unit point 1.89 units per acre. But at nearby 576 Davis Road to the south, the city council just approved a rezoning to MFR to allow [3:08:37, 3:08:45]: Another town home development with 165 units owned, 27 acres for a density rate of 5.97 units per acre. [3:08:46, 3:09:06]: Uh, the second criteria promote established housing policies. The proposed development will further the comp plan's housing policies by encouraging high-density residential developments to provide for the growing need for a range of housing choices within the city of Stockbridge. Provide a mixture of housing options to attract young professionals, singles, and small families. [3:09:06, 3:09:26]: Families, preserve and enhance older existing neighborhoods by promoting rehabilitation of existing housing stock and infield of new development to revitalize established neighborhoods. Criteria number three, criteria C rather, suitability of the subject property location. Although there are no other properties in the vicinity which have the requested [3:09:26, 3:09:46]: High density residential land use designation. The subject property is nonetheless, nevertheless, suitable for the designation due to the following: the reasonable size, whereby the high density residential designation would not represent a small spot designation relative to the surrounding area. Its location along a major corridor. [3:09:46, 3:10:06]: Collector Road, making it suitable for high density development. Its proximity to another high density residential property at 576 Davis Road, which was recently approved, and criteria D: maintain the current land use designation. Although the subject property could be used for low density residential uses, few, if any, [3:10:06, 3:10:15]: Many such uses have occurred in the Valley Hill Road Corridor for years. Further, it is unknown as to whether there exists any demand for such uses at this time. [3:10:17, 3:10:35]: Staff conclusion. As a result of the foregoing analysis, the planning and zoning staff concludes that the applicant's request to assign a high density residential future land use designation to parcel zero two nine-01009-001 on Valley Hill Road via CP. [3:10:36, 3:10:56]: twenty twenty twenty two thousand twenty-three-o one to allow for the proposed townhome development would be acceptable. Staff recommendation. In view of the aforementioned positive conclusion, the planning zoning staff recommends approval with a condition for CP twenty twenty-three-o one. [3:10:56, 3:11:15]: with one condition that the applicants requested rezoning of the subject property to assign the MFR zoning district to the subject property v RZ 2023 is approved before or simultaneously with approval of CP202301. [3:11:16, 3:11:17]: The applicant is here. [3:11:18, 3:11:20]: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Ryan. [3:11:21, 3:11:26]: Uh I would imagine you probably need to come back to come back to the podium though, sir. You got some questions here. [3:11:27, 3:11:28]: Okay, council. [3:11:29, 3:11:49]: Oh go right here, sir. Mr. Eza. You said you alluded to that there had not been any additional uh development along when was the last time a project was actually proposed for Valley Hill Road? Uh any that I think we got Pine Grove over there, well that was like 15 years ago. Well I've been here like sixteen months and a half. [3:11:49, 3:11:53]: We haven't seen one proposal. This is the first one. Okay. [3:11:53, 3:11:56]: All right, thank you. Uh Ms. Ga uh William Ms. Gantt. [3:11:57, 3:11:58]: Yeah. [3:11:58, 3:12:02]: What would be the size of these towns homes square footage wise? [3:12:03, 3:12:16]: There will all be three to four bedroom units. Uh three to four uh that's why I wanna know the size of'em. Uh yeah. Uh if you can answer the question, Bishop or or the any other assistant if you need to come come forward and and uh Ryan don't go too far now. [3:12:19, 3:12:39]: Townhomes are about s uh seventeen hundred to twenty three hundred square feet. Seventeen hundred to twenty three hundred square feet? Yes ma'am. In a townhome? Yes. Three to four bedrooms. I'm sorry. How many garages? Two two door garage. Two garage? Two door. Okay. All right. So two car garage, seventeen hundred. [3:12:39, 3:12:44]: Three to four bedrooms. [3:12:45, 3:12:58]: Uh some of them are three bedrooms, some of them are four bedrooms. No two bedrooms. No two bedrooms. Okay. All right. You could change it three bedroom to two bedroom if you wanted to, but right now all the design is three bedroom, four bedrooms. [3:12:59, 3:13:19]: Well, I just wanted I was curious at what the size was compared to you you have, you know, um se about seven units per acre, a little over seven units per acre, and then three to four bedrooms that's on a townhome, that's pretty much a house, right? Yes. It's as big as us. That's a pretty large [3:13:19, 3:13:25]: And so I wanted to know what that square footage was. Um [3:13:26, 3:13:46]: based off of experience on um Broader Farms, which is not in the c city of Stockbridge, by the way. And so um I just wanted to make sure of what we were looking at, what type of product. Do you have um any examples or any renderings or anything of that nature? Rendering at the town hall, yes. [3:13:48, 3:13:50]: We got this late, so um [3:13:59, 3:13:59]: This one. [3:14:01, 3:14:02]: Let's see it right there. [3:14:04, 3:14:05]: It's not sure. It's not sure. [3:14:13, 3:14:13]: Yeah, yeah. [3:14:23, 3:14:24]: Yeah. [3:14:29, 3:14:33]: And in addition to that, what type of amenities would you be providing for those residents? [3:14:36, 3:14:41]: By the way, the t hotel homes are sixteen hundred square. [3:14:41, 3:14:43]: How many people? [3:14:43, 3:14:44]: Uh where you [3:14:45, 3:14:54]: Well shit. Can we get the picture up here? Yes. Must be in what she got locked in on. [3:14:59, 3:15:00]: Yeah, [3:15:05, 3:15:07]: Yeah, yeah. [3:15:10, 3:15:12]: Um small pair. [3:15:12, 3:15:20]: So that's what it's showing. [3:15:22, 3:15:23]: There you go. [3:15:26, 3:15:29]: Okay, here we go. [3:15:29, 3:15:31]: It's on the screen now. [3:15:32, 3:15:39]: Okay, Quay questions that you may have, Council, about the renderings and the size lot here? Use some pictures. I do. [3:15:40, 3:16:00]: So in accordance you am I okay? Yeah, go ahead. Yes. In accordance with what we have, uh certainly we've done at the past is that on Campground Road we have these type uh development uh that required brick front and then there was a water table uh on the side as you described with the church. [3:16:00, 3:16:00]: Consistent. [3:16:02, 3:16:15]: Um yes, we do have a brick all around it uh uh garages and an entrance and uh for about twelve feet and above will be um hardleboard. [3:16:16, 3:16:21]: Okay, what w okay, that's what I'm saying. On the ones on the campground road, they're full brick fronts. [3:16:22, 3:16:24]: We can change that to full brak if you wanted to. [3:16:24, 3:16:43]: All right, thank you. And then the amenities as she mentioned, uh, I know certainly for me I I don't approve of anything without a pool. And uh certainly a pool would be required t of anything that I would vote for because we don't have any public pools or facilities around here. [3:16:44, 3:16:56]: Uh around the property we have uh three small parks that people can have a d walk their dogs and also um um playground for the uh kids and a pavilion we built. [3:16:57, 3:17:04]: Is available for the residents. I personally for myself I don't prove any developments without a pool, you know. [3:17:05, 3:17:11]: Uh may I speak to the uh amenities just for m moment. So go ahead. Uh when we asked the um [3:17:12, 3:17:16]: Ситі планерської неподінту та пропаті. [3:17:17, 3:17:20]: They gave us a list of amenities that we need to include. [3:17:20, 3:17:24]: А а да поняли не дає тобі. [3:17:24, 3:17:26]: uh restrictions or any [3:17:26, 3:17:46]: Um demands, there were some suggestions. We we listened to those suggestions. So we decided to put three things in place. Presently we have, if we can have the site plan bring up here, I don't know if we can do that. [3:17:46, 3:17:59]: which uh includes um a gazebo uh that uh for family activity. Then we also have if I may just point to that just a moment here um [3:18:06, 3:18:26]: Don't you have this isn't the same uh Ryan, is this same same uh design on the screen? I think you had in your presentation. If you can bring this up in a print, it'd be like try to keep it from I I got it, but it's hard to see that. It'd be better if it's on a pr and that way everybody can see this simultaneously. Okay. If you can bring it before you before you move it from that slide, Mayor, I got a question. Okay, sir. [3:18:26, 3:18:30]: Yeah that's that's the advantage of the C. [3:18:33, 3:18:36]: Which slide is it? The one he was just looking at right here. [3:18:36, 3:18:48]: What what is the setback on those condos? Because it looked like if the car comes out of the garage they across the walkway. Twenty five feet? Yep, no. But this value one is twenty feet. [3:18:49, 3:19:04]: This is what it does. That can't be twenty-five feet seven. No, no. This is this is not twenty-five feet. This is twenty feet. But the new one where I'm giving up is twenty-five. [3:19:05, 3:19:10]: Right. They're asking for twenty five on the next that's our next agenda item. [3:19:10, 3:19:30]: But m that's a concern of mine as well. And I'll uh wait until that agenda item comes up, but I have a um a huge concern with this. That's what we're um the broader farms, I don't care. Uh I have a huge concern with this and I'll discuss that at the next agenda item. So if so if you can move on to if you get that particular [3:19:30, 3:19:37]: design this this div uh on on the screen. This one on the screen so everybody can see that. And then we'll go from there. If you can find on the screen. [3:19:38, 3:19:58]: There you go. Okay, so now you can use the pointer, what the pointer to to identify some things you want to identify there. Use it use a mouse to help identify. Good, good. Um so as we were saying, right here to the north, I don't know if the audience can see uh the northwestern uh corner, there's a gazebo. [3:19:58, 3:20:18]: Uh this is a picnic area. It's uh um roughly I think it's about twelve thirteen thousand square feet. Thirteen thousand square feet. Right over here is the um another uh these are just right here in this area is another park area. Could you blow it up a little bit more? Okay, this is a little bit more. [3:20:18, 3:20:20]: See it clearly. [3:20:24, 3:20:37]: Okay. Okay. Okay, go ahead. Is that good enough? Yeah, that should be better. Go ahead, please. Uh so right in this area, uh we have another park. It's much smaller. Uh we are proposing that would be for uh uh smaller children. [3:20:38, 3:20:39]: A player for smaller children. [3:20:40, 3:20:42]: And down in this southern area here. [3:20:42, 3:20:45]: І замач ларже парк арія формор. [3:20:45, 3:20:48]: uh l older children. So there's three um [3:20:48, 3:21:08]: Park area that's included in this plan. What the architect and developer decided to do is to expand the the walkway from five feet to six feet. That would mean that around this area would be wide enough for a walk-in trail area. So those things we selected as part of the amenities for the process. [3:21:08, 3:21:08]: Probably. [3:21:10, 3:21:15]: Okay. I see. All right, Council, kind of questions you have. Additional questions. Miss Barber Guay, please. [3:21:18, 3:21:20]: Um okay, so this is [3:21:22, 3:21:24]: So [3:21:25, 3:21:34]: When I think in terms of three and four bedrooms, and Councilwoman Gantt already hit on it, I'm thinking about a house. Um, I know that I discussed with you early on [3:21:35, 3:21:48]: Several months ago. Um, I believe this area would be ideal for single family detached homes. Um, so three and four bedrooms, town homes, um, seem a bit [3:21:49, 3:22:09]: Too much. Crammed in um less than eight acres um areas just seems too much. Um I'd like to ask, are building or constructing single family detached homes is that option off the table completely for you? [3:22:10, 3:22:12]: Economically doesn't make sense. [3:22:13, 3:22:15]: Sorry. Economically we cannot do that. [3:22:16, 3:22:18]: Going to the single family housing. [3:22:19, 3:22:31]: What what are you saying economically it would not make sense? But let me just add something further to that. When I met Mr. Fatini, his business was strictly for town homes. We were looking for partnership. [3:22:32, 3:22:42]: He was the first person to come along that we could have a joint partnership agreement with. He wanted to build town homes, we wanted some form of residential. [3:22:42, 3:22:44]: development on the rest of the property. [3:22:45, 3:22:47]: It seemed like it was a good fit at that time. [3:22:48, 3:22:52]: And what really impressed us is that he had insisted that whatever we're gonna build [3:22:53, 3:22:54]: Must complement. [3:22:54, 3:23:00]: the town homes that he would like to build. Well the issue that I have with that is [3:23:00, 3:23:02]: Looking at the area [3:23:03, 3:23:04]: On Valley Hill Road. [3:23:04, 3:23:10]: There are no townhomes. There are no multifamily units on Valley Hill Road. [3:23:11, 3:23:15]: There are all single family detached homes. [3:23:18, 3:23:22]: Yes, but if you look at those homes that were built uh many years ago. [3:23:23, 3:23:23]: And [3:23:24, 3:23:33]: Maybe there is opportunity to build more the single family homes in that area. Well no, down the street of Valley Hill Road. [3:23:33, 3:23:36]: is a newer subdivision, Pine Grove. Mm-hmm. [3:23:36, 3:23:46]: They are single family detached homes. Um so the other question that I have though is I know that there is still undeveloped [3:23:47, 3:23:50]: areas um right next to this [3:23:50, 3:23:51]: Property. [3:23:52, 3:24:12]: It's undeveloped, and I don't know who owns it, but perhaps there may be an opportunity for you to partner with the landowner of the additional land that's there and to build us to bring us back a full plan, development plan. It just seems as though this particular area. [3:24:12, 3:24:15]: I have some serious [3:24:15, 3:24:17]: Safety concerns. [3:24:17, 3:24:21]: Safety concerns as it pertains to that curve. [3:24:22, 3:24:23]: The curve. [3:24:24, 3:24:25]: And I know [3:24:26, 3:24:27]: A traffic studying. [3:24:27, 3:24:29]: May have been conducted [3:24:30, 3:24:33]: But with the traffic study that only tells us about the traffic patterns. [3:24:34, 3:24:35]: And it tells you [3:24:35, 3:24:39]: You know, where is the most best area? [3:24:39, 3:24:41]: For the entrance and exit. [3:24:41, 3:24:43]: of this proposed development. [3:24:44, 3:24:46]: But no engineering study has been performed. [3:24:47, 3:24:48]: With the engineering study [3:24:49, 3:24:50]: That will [3:24:50, 3:24:53]: kind of give you insight into um [3:24:54, 3:24:54]: B. [3:24:55, 3:24:57]: Insight as to a new approaching [3:24:58, 3:25:01]: your entrance and exit of this proposed development. [3:25:02, 3:25:03]: I don't have that information. [3:25:03, 3:25:05]: An an engineering study. [3:25:05, 3:25:10]: hasn't been performed. What I do know is there been accidents. [3:25:11, 3:25:13]: Accidents that have happened along [3:25:13, 3:25:15]: Best stretch of road. [3:25:15, 3:25:17]: So I'm very reluctant. [3:25:17, 3:25:25]: Reluctant just to approve a high density townhome development on that corner. [3:25:25, 3:25:27]: A Valley Hill Road. [3:25:29, 3:25:37]: Uh let me speak to that for a moment. Uh keep in mind that when we first approach our development plans, we were dealing with Henry County. [3:25:38, 3:25:41]: Uh Henry County, when we spoke to the uh [3:25:42, 3:25:46]: The community development department in Henry County. [3:25:46, 3:25:48]: The questions that we presented is what [3:25:48, 3:25:50]: Type of housing [3:25:50, 3:25:52]: Does Henry County need? [3:25:52, 3:25:57]: They gave us some options, and one of the options were town houses, so we knew right away. [3:25:57, 3:26:00]: The town houses was not something that they would oppose. [3:26:01, 3:26:03]: Fast forward now we're in Stockbridge. [3:26:04, 3:26:06]: А він суміт а інічний аплікач. [3:26:06, 3:26:11]: We submitted that application with the understanding that in Henry County proper. [3:26:11, 3:26:13]: There was no opposition to town homes. [3:26:14, 3:26:15]: So at the very [3:26:15, 3:26:18]: Ініціяч of our application. [3:26:18, 3:26:28]: If there were some red flags, it would have given us some opportunity to go back and revisit our plans. We wanted to hear right up front whether or not this would be approved. [3:26:28, 3:26:31]: And then in that application being submitted. [3:26:31, 3:26:34]: If we did not get the green light, we would not have proceeded. [3:26:35, 3:26:37]: So here we are at this junction. [3:26:37, 3:26:40]: We're being told that townhouses are not acceptable. [3:26:41, 3:26:58]: I so uh I'm only venturing to say this also that one of the reasons why we felt very encouraged to proceed with town ho houses because we started with seventy units. We decreased those units to sixty, fifty-six units at the insistence of the planners. [3:26:59, 3:27:19]: We found out later that there's a much larger project on Davis Road that's been granted approval. So that was a bit of an encouragement to us. Since that project was granted approval, we felt as though we should not have an issue uh put putting forth our plans for just a smaller development. Let me just say as the city [3:27:19, 3:27:24]: Council district representative of this area of Valley Hill Road. [3:27:24, 3:27:31]: In addition to the area on Davis Road, I did not support that high density development on Davis Road. [3:27:32, 3:27:35]: Three other council members did. I did not. [3:27:35, 3:27:37]: Just as I won't support this. [3:27:37, 3:27:40]: High density development in that particular area. [3:27:41, 3:27:43]: When I think in terms of high density [3:27:44, 3:27:45]: I'm thinking [3:27:46, 3:27:55]: The best place to put high density is on a state highway. It would be different if these townhomes were proposed. [3:27:55, 3:27:57]: On state route forty two. [3:27:58, 3:27:59]: But it's not. [3:28:00, 3:28:04]: You're building them right next to a residential community. [3:28:05, 3:28:06]: And a small [3:28:06, 3:28:07]: Area. [3:28:09, 3:28:10]: That has safety concerns. [3:28:11, 3:28:16]: I encourage my councilmates to take a drive down Valley Hill Road. [3:28:16, 3:28:20]: in this particular area so that they can see for themselves. [3:28:20, 3:28:25]: I'm real clear when it comes to the conditions of the road, and we all know [3:28:25, 3:28:33]: The roads um that were once an unincorporated Henry County have not been maintained for years. I'm not addressing [3:28:34, 3:28:37]: The roads and the condition of the roads. What I'm condr I'm addressing. [3:28:37, 3:28:39]: Is the safety concerns. [3:28:40, 3:28:43]: The safety concerns in which a engineering study [3:28:43, 3:28:55]: has not been performed unless staff hasn't provided it, just as they didn't provide the renderings. Excuse uh I mean to cut you off, but in two thousand six Henry County did suggest what a current [3:28:55, 3:29:02]: uh driveway extends out on Valley Hill Road. That that that was the optimum location. Okay. That was for a church, sir. [3:29:03, 3:29:12]: This now includes a residential component. And with the residential component, there's gonna be more cars accessing it every day, all times of the day. [3:29:13, 3:29:20]: We need a engineering study in order for me to support this. I know that there should be [3:29:20, 3:29:21]: Yeah. [3:29:21, 3:29:31]: the lease, some flashing lights or um some road breaker, something to alert drivers as they are travelling along. [3:29:31, 3:29:41]: Valley Hill Road that there is a residential development there and people may be entering and exiting this development. That has not happened. [3:29:41, 3:29:47]: What I'm not going to do is to continue just approving every single development that comes here. [3:29:48, 3:29:49]: Our city. [3:29:49, 3:29:51]: Із лукін форті. [3:29:52, 3:29:58]: Quality development. Councilman Alexander talks about it all the time. We want class A development here. [3:29:59, 3:30:02]: This is the first time I've seen that rendering. [3:30:02, 3:30:09]: What was given to the council was just a image. It looks like something out of a coloring book. [3:30:09, 3:30:11]: So I'm curious to know. [3:30:11, 3:30:14]: The image or rendering that you just showed [3:30:14, 3:30:34]: Other townhomes. Where was that photo taken from? What community? I'm glad you asked. Uh certainly we made every attempt to get what community was that what community was that? Okay, first of all, let me Snellville. This was a yes, this was a community planned development that he was responsible for, his company was. [3:30:34, 3:30:38]: The plans that we have is precisely similar to what we have shown. [3:30:38, 3:30:52]: Because there was such a concern to see something visual, I asked him, do you have something that you have ready build similar to what we're going to be doing? And uh the these gentlemen both agreed that this would be something that we could present. [3:30:53, 3:30:54]: Thank you, sir. [3:30:55, 3:30:58]: That's all I have for now. Mr. Elizabeth, go ahead, please. [3:30:58, 3:30:59]: Um [3:30:59, 3:31:11]: That was me. It was me. Oh I'm sorry. Alzheimer. Go ahead, Miss stand by Miss Alzad. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. Let me explain something about what happens when you have districts. [3:31:11, 3:31:12]: Um [3:31:13, 3:31:15]: When you have districts [3:31:15, 3:31:24]: The thing that I do when I come before anyone that wants to do development, now what I do is I let that district representative take the lead. [3:31:26, 3:31:32]: When we had a project come through, if that district representative put stipulations and contingencies [3:31:33, 3:31:35]: On any developer. [3:31:36, 3:31:40]: And let that developer know, I'm okay if you do this, I'm okay if you do that. [3:31:41, 3:31:43]: Then it puts me in a place that I'm gonna say, okay. [3:31:45, 3:31:51]: You know, because it's not that you are against it. You're okay if you put stipulations in place. [3:31:52, 3:31:55]: I just found myself in the same position right now. [3:31:57, 3:31:58]: So it's not about [3:31:59, 3:32:02]: S if you put fifty-six homes there. [3:32:03, 3:32:04]: You're gonna have traffic. [3:32:06, 3:32:11]: Just the same as you putting fifty six town homes there, you're gonna have traffic. [3:32:12, 3:32:17]: So now we're saying, can you fix detached single family homes? [3:32:17, 3:32:23]: versus townhomes. So it's not about people coming in, it's about what you wanna see. [3:32:24, 3:32:39]: I thought it was about people coming in and you were concerned about the convoluted area. But now it's about if you could do single family detached homes, I'm okay with people coming in. I'm not gonna convolute my mind like that. [3:32:40, 3:33:00]: I'm not gonna sit here and waste time with developers or anybody want to develop in this city when you have people in districts or wherever sit here and go back and forth with developers, and then you want all us to be on board with you, then you're not even presenting anything yourself that's concrete. [3:33:01, 3:33:09]: I'm not gonna sit here and say no to something when they're telling stipulations to put in place because it went from this to that. [3:33:09, 3:33:11]: Just like the last development. [3:33:11, 3:33:17]: You're asking to put in tr uh trails, you ask to put in parks, you a even at the meeting, you ask to put in a pool. [3:33:17, 3:33:20]: And every time the c the developer says yes. [3:33:20, 3:33:25]: Well if you're against it, then why are you asking the developer to do all these conditions? [3:33:27, 3:33:33]: So I'm not gonna sit here and play these type of games because once it p is presented [3:33:34, 3:33:37]: ідер іде ідею for you're not [3:33:38, 3:33:40]: But when you get in that gray area. [3:33:40, 3:33:44]: I don't play those kind of games with anybody making presentations. [3:33:45, 3:33:46]: I just don't do that. [3:33:46, 3:33:56]: Well, stand by please. Stand by. Mr. Alexander. If you don't mind Mayor Ford, I like to address everything council. Wait for a time. Ms. Alexander, you are next, sir. [3:33:58, 3:33:59]: Let me just say uh [3:33:59, 3:34:09]: occur with what I just heard. And and I think I need everybody up here to understand. All the business community wanna know is what the rules are. [3:34:10, 3:34:11]: We spent [3:34:12, 3:34:17]: over two years rewriting the unified development code for the city. [3:34:18, 3:34:22]: We presented them out to the public after numerous public hearings and [3:34:22, 3:34:23]: The [3:34:23, 3:34:31]: The I remember there was one rendering where they asked, what types of housing do you see in Stockbridge? And let me make this perfectly clear. [3:34:32, 3:34:52]: Nobody in Stockbridge, except for Mayor Pro Tem, is saying town homes aren't okay and on a location. That's not what we said. Because our unified development code, which all of us up here voted to approve, says town homes are okay in Stockbridge. That's what the code says. All of us up here voted to approve that. [3:34:52, 3:35:12]: That code that says town homes are available. So let us not get that message confused. Town homes are okay in the right location. Quality, she's right. Quality. Gotta be quality for me. It's gotta be quality. What you presented was exactly the same project that I have two of going on in my district right now on Campground Road. [3:35:12, 3:35:24]: Two of'em. Matter of fact, your pro your project, your property is larger as seventeen hundred, where there's sixteen hundred square feet. And I need to explain to the residents and y'all need to understand this clearly. [3:35:25, 3:35:28]: Henry County has two hundred and fifty thousand residents now. [3:35:29, 3:35:49]: Six or seven thousand people move to this county every single month. It's growing. It's the fastest growing county in Metro Atlanta. The people who are coming here need somewhere to live. They do. And everybody comes and says, not on my street, not on my street, put it somewhere else. Well, so there's only so much land that we can put them on. [3:35:49, 3:35:50]: Anywhere. [3:35:50, 3:36:10]: So we look at it and we say, we divide up up. Like I say, I got two townhome communities under construction right now in front, well, one that's already complete and one that's uh nearly uh they're getting ready to go vertical on with the construction. That's what we have to do. It's on a two-lane road, campground road with no sidewalks on it. [3:36:10, 3:36:30]: Because the county just built this road and made that particular thing happen. The reason that I'm taking time to understand this and explain this, because I hear you and I feel what you're saying. But in the essence, what it is is that our hands are tied because we can call it safety, we can call it traffic. The state code is very, very clear. [3:36:30, 3:36:50]: We cannot consider those items when we're looking at denying a zoning. We hear it at every single zoning that we attend, but we cannot reject the zoning based on traffic. If you want to us to be able to do that, go to your state legislatures and get them to change the law. Because right now us only, and the city manager will tell you there's only [3:36:50, 3:37:02]: only three counties in Georgia that can consider schools uh that can actually reject we consider it we consider everything but at the same time to reject the development based on schools or traffic. [3:37:03, 3:37:04]: And in essence, as we said [3:37:05, 3:37:25]: Uh Highway 42 is a hop skip, just a skip down the road from where this is. And it's gonna be widened to four lanes in a multi-million dollar GDOT project that is being transformed in this particular area. I don't want you standing up here explaining stuff to that's not in our code. [3:37:25, 3:37:45]: We can't require you to do things that are not in the code. The code is what they are. And we just got to understand what the rules are. No matter what district we're in, all of us have to have the same rules. We cannot continue to make up rules as we go. We cannot do that. It's unfair to the developer to say, come to me. [3:37:44, 3:38:04]: This is what we're gonna do. And then we spent all this money on the ULDC. We went out to community charest. The community told us town homes, triplexes, single family homes, everything that they wanted to see. That's what we did. That's in the code. I wanna let it rest right there and understand the rules are the rules. [3:38:04, 3:38:15]: the ULDC, not what we simply go by and make up here. We have requests about different things. I want to be very consistent with you the same way we did Davis Row. [3:38:15, 3:38:17]: Davis wrote, we wanted a pool. [3:38:18, 3:38:33]: Davis Road, we wanted a ten foot sidewalk out front of the frontage. I asked for the same thing in every development that's come out of there. There were no town homes on Davis Road when we approved it. There were no town homes on East Atlanta Road when we approved it. [3:38:34, 3:38:54]: Things are changing, and that's going to continue to happen as the city population continues to grow. But it's our job to work on the traffic and the enhancements around here. And like I said, there's a$50 million road project coming on Highway 42.$50 million to improve your traffic so you can go and go to [3:38:53, 3:38:57]: Walmart or go to I six seventy five. Thank you. [3:38:57, 3:39:03]: Mayor for Tem go ahead please. I'd like for us to move along with this public hearing so the public can make comments. [3:39:04, 3:39:05]: These politicians are just up here [3:39:07, 3:39:11]: Let's double check here. Uh any other council, any other comments? We good? [3:39:12, 3:39:32]: Okay. So otherwise, uh gentlemen, you can have a seat now. And we'll uh we may bring you back up a little later. All right. So we'll open up the uh public hearing. And this will start with uh for this uh for this development, high density development, on my left hand side. Any any questions [3:39:32, 3:39:34]: Or any comments four. [3:39:35, 3:39:35]: In my four. [3:39:37, 3:39:38]: In the middle, anybody four? [3:39:41, 3:39:42]: On the right hand side, anybody? Four. [3:39:45, 3:39:46]: Am by four? [3:39:47, 3:40:05]: Okay. Now anybody against from my very left. Anybody against? Stan start start a line on this side. Start a line right here then. If you're against, start a line right there. If you're against. Anybody else in the middle that's against that wants to speak on this? Line up over here. Line up on this side, or my far left side. [3:40:10, 3:40:15]: Anybody on the far right side that w anybody on the far right side against that wants to make any comment? [3:40:16, 3:40:17]: Anybody on the far right? [3:40:20, 3:40:36]: All right. And what's gonna happen, ladies and gentlemen, w when you make your address, you'll give your name and address. Address me as it as as the mayor here, as the chair in a meeting. Miss Holliday, because of the amount of people, three minutes please. When it com come on up, ma'am. You you can start this off. [3:40:36, 3:40:39]: I'm sorry, go ahead. Yes. [3:40:42, 3:40:45]: Oh y I thought it was plugged up. No? [3:40:46, 3:41:05]: Oh, it's a ten minutes but yeah. The rules are ten minutes four and two minutes. Yeah, but but it but okay, hold on. Yeah, you're right. The rules are ten minutes for or four against. But what you know what's gonna happen though, Mr. Alzheimer's? I'm gonna get the ten minutes and I'm gonna ask him asking you all to see it, to to see it. That's why I know it's just gonna happen, okay? So we'll give him three minutes each. All right, thank you. Three minutes, please. [3:41:08, 3:41:14]: Be well, I did not I did not realize the clock was now she just told me the clock was just I thought it was working. [3:41:15, 3:41:16]: I did not know that. [3:41:19, 3:41:19]: Yeah. [3:41:19, 3:41:26]: It's three three minutes it is. And for the record, you had the clock on previous record. [3:41:28, 3:41:42]: For ten for ten minutes. Okay. So it was up for ten minutes. I gotta understand. I I changed it just now. And I figured that I did that because I'm thinking you all would tell me to change anyway. That's right. Exactly right. Okay. Your name, please, and ad and address and you have three minutes, ma'am. [3:41:44, 3:41:48]: Uh hello. My name is Regina Ubadaniru, U B A. [3:41:48, 3:41:53]: D I N I R U, I live at two thirty Hillendale Drive. [3:41:54, 3:41:58]: And um I'm against the project. Um [3:41:58, 3:42:02]: For a few reasons. Number one is um based on safety. [3:42:03, 3:42:15]: I'm concerned about traffic. Um it's it's very dangerous. A lot of people do not abide by the speed limit going traveling down that road. And I'm concerned about um [3:42:15, 3:42:20]: the traffic that will be entering and leaving. Um I'm also concerned um [3:42:23, 3:42:28]: I'm concerned about after the developer develops the the units. [3:42:28, 3:42:35]: Who's gonna be living in there? Are there gonna be people who are homeowners or people who are renting? [3:42:35, 3:42:44]: I'm concerned about criminal element being introduced in a in a in a great quantity quantity if it is at that location. [3:42:45, 3:42:53]: Um it's a pretty a pretty safe and um overall pretty safe and quiet community. So I'm concerned about [3:42:55, 3:42:58]: Who's gonna be there? And I know no one can answer that. [3:42:59, 3:43:19]: What are the motives of um opening those units there? And like I said, are there going to be homeowners there or people who are renting that have no pride in where they're living? But my major concern is is the safety element. And then um, well, I'll I'll just leave it there. So that's my [3:43:19, 3:43:21]: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. [3:43:23, 3:43:26]: Come forward, sir. Name and uh address, please. [3:43:29, 3:43:42]: Anthony Mitten, I think I've already stated my address. Um I am against this, this proposal. Uh in my 30 years on Valley Hill Road, there's only been one other subdivision that's been built. It was multifamily homes. I've seen no [3:43:43, 3:43:46]: Need or desire for high density housing at any time. [3:43:47, 3:43:51]: I do want to ask a question. I don't know who I would direct this to. Um [3:43:51, 3:44:00]: So when they built Valley Hill Station subdivision, they extended Clayton County Water Authority services, water and sewer to the subdivision out of Clayton County. We're not serviced [3:44:01, 3:44:02]: By Henry County. [3:44:04, 3:44:06]: We had problems initially with water pressure. [3:44:06, 3:44:13]: Sewage problems where they had to do some enhancements to the lifting systems. But the question I have is, are there adequate infrastructure today? [3:44:14, 3:44:15]: To support the church. [3:44:15, 3:44:18]: In the townhomes. I suspect some of the houses on the road. [3:44:18, 3:44:20]: Probably on sewage systems. [3:44:21, 3:44:23]: So if there's not adequate facilities [3:44:24, 3:44:30]: Why are we discussing the building of townhomes? And and I'd like that question answered if I could. Maybe that's the developer. I'm not quite sure. [3:44:30, 3:44:34]: And if there needs to be an extension of services, be it the county. [3:44:35, 3:44:36]: Clayton County. [3:44:36, 3:44:42]: Or the city of Stockbridge, who fits that bill? Who pays for that ultimately? Do we the taxpayers pay for that? [3:44:44, 3:44:52]: That's all I have, thank you. Thank you, sir. Uh on that note, uh I do not know uh Mr. Gardner, we have any idea the answer to that question at all? [3:44:54, 3:44:56]: I'm sorry? Of the builder you do? [3:44:56, 3:44:59]: I'm sorry? They got a approval of [3:44:59, 3:45:03]: Okay come to Mike. Come to Mike, Anderson. Um uh Ryan I mean. [3:45:07, 3:45:10]: They received an approval letter from Clayton County Water and Sewer. [3:45:10, 3:45:16]: That they could uh support that they could support the project. Okay. All right, I guess that's what we need then. [3:45:16, 3:45:18]: Okay, thank you. Sir, name and address please. [3:45:21, 3:45:38]: Again, my name is Randall Eck, 413 Cannonball Court, here in Stockbridge, part of Valley Hill Station. Again, thank you, Mayor, Council members, for the opportunity to address you uh regarding this matter and associated matters. [3:45:39, 3:45:58]: Number one, my wife and I have been here for in the Valley Hill Station for 29 years. Uh we fell in love with Valley Hill Station subdivision because of its very peaceful and also semi-rural area of uh which is part of uh Henry County. [3:46:00, 3:46:05]: We're opposed to the agenda items numbered nine through eleven. [3:46:05, 3:46:20]: We have been aware that the parcel adjacent was set as a future home for the church and were fined for that, as I stated earlier. But suddenly a townhouse development is being proposed as part of this land use. [3:46:21, 3:46:32]: Now, there was uh mention of no development along Valley Hill Road has been has come up before the council in uh in some time. [3:46:33, 3:46:37]: But what's wrong with keeping or maintaining green space? [3:46:38, 3:46:41]: The пропі таунхом зонда. [3:46:42, 3:46:51]: Davis Road is not adjacent to Valley Hill Station subdivision. It may be in somewhat proximity, but it's not adjacent. [3:46:53, 3:46:56]: Ха хайденси хаузін. [3:46:56, 3:47:16]: Uh we don't need additional high-density housing because if you look at along Mount Zion Road just north of the Lowe's, the there is a mammoth development going in there. There's also the townhomes going in along East Atlanta Road next to Rico's. [3:47:16, 3:47:18]: The developer [3:47:18, 3:47:38]: Another thing a developer had indicated in our Zoom meeting that a privacy fence would be erected between the properties. This would probably be about six feet in height and of wood construction. Gentlemen and ladies, if you drive along Flippin' Road, uh Eagle Rise subdivision. [3:47:38, 3:47:52]: They have the wooden fence that has deteriorated over the years. Some of it has been maintained, some of it has not. It's an eyesore. I'm sorry. [3:47:53, 3:48:13]: How many churches are in City Council District 4? I believe that was answered in one of the uh planning zoning uh slides, but I'm not against high-density churches or you know, just high density housing in our area. Um [3:48:13, 3:48:17]: But we don't you know, I'm okay with the church being built. [3:48:17, 3:48:33]: Uh Mr. Alexander you said I think you said if it's in the right location or maybe Mr. Blount it was uh you. I'm not so sure that townhomes going into this area is quote in the right location. [3:48:33, 3:48:52]: Uh the rendering shows a very short driveway which you all had already expressed. Okay. And my time is up. Your time is up. But please folks uh address me uh versus a council member specifically. Your time is up, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Um next ma'am, name and address please. [3:48:57, 3:49:10]: Again, my name is Jenny Etheridge, four twelve Cannonball Court, and I would like to reiterate that I have been in the community Valley Hill Station for thirty years. I raised my two children there and I continue to live there because I love the area that I live in. [3:49:11, 3:49:17]: Um, we keep talking about traffic traffic. I don't know if my neighbors would agree with me, but [3:49:17, 3:49:30]: I don't have traffic in my area and that's why I love where I am, because it is not trafficy. I can get to work. I have a very short commute. I never have traffic in that area unless there is an accident. [3:49:30, 3:49:37]: So the problem that's going to be is the traffic that is going to happen once these townhomes, if they are approved. [3:49:37, 3:49:47]: We keep talking about safety and mayor I understand we cannot talk about the safety or do anything about safety of roads according to you know, talking to you tonight. However [3:49:47, 3:50:01]: I have a concern with townhomes and the safety within that area. When we're looking about that small area, I'm a teacher and the first thing that comes to mind to me are children that we are talking about that are going to live in that community. [3:50:01, 3:50:06]: Are there going to be speed bumps to make sure that people that live within the community [3:50:06, 3:50:08]: Are driving safely. [3:50:08, 3:50:14]: Because again, my safety concern would be for the children in that community. It is a very small area. [3:50:14, 3:50:21]: When I stated earlier that I would have been for the building of this church before the Zoom meeting on June fifth. [3:50:22, 3:50:25]: As I sat here and listened again to [3:50:25, 3:50:45]: to the timeline development of when the church will be built or when this community will be be built, I still do not have a clear answer. Will the church be built first or will the town homes be built first? It's very confusing to me. And I question if the town homes are built first [3:50:45, 3:50:48]: Will the church still? [3:50:48, 3:50:59]: be built in that same area. So therefore I am against these townhomes because I think we have many opportunities within areas where we already have houses. [3:51:00, 3:51:05]: that can be used for these people that are moving into our community and area. [3:51:05, 3:51:06]: Again, I am not [3:51:07, 3:51:18]: in favor of the community and I do think we have to look at safety within the area if this is approved. Thank you. Thank you. Next uh next individual please name and address. [3:51:22, 3:51:24]: Good evening. Good evening. Thank you, Mayor. [3:51:25, 3:51:28]: Joshua Head. I'm at four thirteen Grove Hill. [3:51:30, 3:51:32]: Yes. Yes. [3:51:33, 3:51:35]: Grove Hill Drive. [3:51:37, 3:51:40]: Yeah, so I've been in the community here um [3:51:41, 3:51:52]: Two years now, two and a half years now. Um, one of the reasons why I chose a house in this community is because it's quiet, peaceful, felt like it was safe. Of course I rode around the neighborhood before I decided to purchase. [3:51:53, 3:51:55]: I felt like this was a place I could [3:51:56, 3:51:58]: Called home, feel safe, felt like I didn't have to watch my back. [3:51:59, 3:52:04]: So when we talk about a development of a high density um unit. [3:52:05, 3:52:13]: uh uh being proposed. One of my main concerns is safety. Um safety concerns because we know [3:52:16, 3:52:29]: So for one, um you uh the last person she mentioned, uh students, school uh children. So when school is out, we know more uh crime is likely to go up, break ins, things of that nature. Um [3:52:30, 3:52:46]: I practice uh exercising my uh Second Amendment rights. So if I'd rather be alive than someone else, you know, kill me. So I'd rather not uh have to do something like that if, you know. [3:52:48, 3:53:08]: opportunity presented itself. Also the noise, um, traffic of course, um access to main roads, uh is one lane um roads to access highways. So you have to think about how long it takes uh people to get to work. What if somebody has a medical emergency, uh things like that. [3:53:08, 3:53:08]: Oh. [3:53:10, 3:53:15]: Also, uh just the unsightly um projected [3:53:17, 3:53:23]: I I can't even say um images of what y'all showed us on the screen. It's just it looks like an eyesore. [3:53:24, 3:53:30]: Just it it doesn't look well. It doesn't look present you know, something I would I'd be proud to drive by and see every day. [3:53:32, 3:53:34]: Um uh it looks like [3:53:35, 3:53:38]: Driveway is super short, that means cars are gonna be parked on the street. [3:53:39, 3:53:46]: That's ugly. That's an eyesore. I don't want to see that. That's that also um makes obstructions for traffic as well. [3:53:47, 3:53:52]: Medical emergencies, things like that, children in the community and everybody else in the community. [3:53:54, 3:53:57]: Uh so you have to um think about the property value, of course. [3:53:59, 3:54:08]: Who knows if it'll increase or decrease with these uh unsightly things like cars m potentially being parked on the side of the road or, you know, uh outside of the driveway because [3:54:10, 3:54:20]: If it's three or four bedrooms, you can't just assume people are just gonna have one car or two cars. Of course you have a projected two parking spaces per unit, but what about their visitors? [3:54:22, 3:54:33]: Is there anything you're gonna do for the community that's already there? Are you gonna build a clubhouse for the Valley Hill Station community? Would y'all like that? No need to dress them. Just me, please. [3:54:34, 3:54:48]: Could you build a brick wall entrance to just cover up everything?'Cause we don't want to see that. Or just go to single home um detached homes. Sure. It's your time. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Mate. Next next gentleman. Name and address please. [3:54:51, 3:54:54]: Charlie Cook again, 249 Hillendale Drive. [3:54:56, 3:55:05]: Um as I mentioned before, I've been here for thirty years. Uh I'm highly opposed to this. One I understand that the pastor, the church and the developer [3:55:06, 3:55:10]: have a vested interest, so they're very interested in a high density. [3:55:10, 3:55:30]: Uh development. I don't think it fits along that road at all. It's nothing even similar. Maybe there's one out where the other people have been talking about. But I don't understand how the Planning Commission even approved this. There are logical places, as it has been mentioned. [3:55:30, 3:55:31]: [14133.1, 14135.0]: Forty two is going to be expanded. [3:55:35, 3:55:55]: So, you know, there's uh a really nice looking high-density townhomes, uh Augustian Commons, right along 42. There's some other townhomes right off of that. They're huge empty lots right along 42 that we've been told multiple times has a$50 million expansion. I remember when there was no light. [3:55:55, 3:56:15]: At 42 in Valley Hill. And we had to wait till people got killed to put it in. I don't want to see that on Valley Hill. And I think there's much more logical places to put high density. I just don't get what the Planning Commission was thinking. It doesn't seem like there is a plan for where high density is. [3:56:15, 3:56:17]: [14177.4, 14182.7]: Or affordable income housing too. Why aren't we building something like that right next to Walmart? [3:56:23, 3:56:36]: or some other place where people who maybe don't have transportation or under underemployed have easier access to those types of things. But they're not gonna walk down Valley Hill to Walmart. [3:56:36, 3:56:56]: And if they were on forty two and you're talking about putting in sidewalks, that's great. That's a lot more convenient. That park looks smaller than my yard. That so called trail looks smaller than the sidewalks in Valley Hill Station. So I I just don't get why that's even there, why it would even be considered and why [3:56:56, 3:56:56]: [14217.1, 14236.1]: I like high density, like I said, I like the Augustine Commons. I think they did a really good job of that. But that's off of 42, and you have people that have better freeway access there. And there's several developments like that along forty p forty-two, but not on Valley Hill, where you have all these single family homes and two subdivisions. [3:57:17, 3:57:23]: Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Next gentleman. Name and address please. [3:57:26, 3:57:30]: Raymond King one twelve Valleydale Drive, the third house right here on the flat. [3:57:31, 3:57:34]: First off, Mayor uh I didn't mean to get upset. [3:57:35, 3:57:38]: When you was talking about the church is the church. [3:57:38, 3:57:44]: The townhomes are the townhomes, and we're gonna talk about them separately. But when they talk start talking about the townhomes, [3:57:45, 3:57:46]: The pastor was the first one up here. [3:57:48, 3:57:54]: We we've we've been asking about is it the church, is it the townhomes, how they lumped in there together? Nobody would answer it. [3:57:55, 3:57:57]: Іно, самі у гайс май домакний диферс. [3:57:59, 3:58:00]: But I'm saying we've been asking [3:58:01, 3:58:05]: For fifteen, twenty years we've been asking about the church. [3:58:05, 3:58:08]: And then on May this May the ninth, we get a letter about the town homes. [3:58:09, 3:58:09]: Call Henry [3:58:10, 3:58:11]: Henry County, Henry County says. [3:58:11, 3:58:12]: We're out of it. [3:58:13, 3:58:16]: It's up to the city of Stockbridge. To you guys. [3:58:16, 3:58:19]: The only thing they heard about it was a week before on the twelfth. [3:58:20, 3:58:24]: When the church file the p uh the building plans for it a week before [3:58:24, 3:58:26]: We've known about this one month. [3:58:26, 3:58:27]: They've been had the [3:58:28, 3:58:30]: Plat grown up eight years ago. [3:58:31, 3:58:31]: Well. [3:58:33, 3:58:33]: The other thing. [3:58:35, 3:58:39]: When the planning commission was talking or the zoning the young man over there was talking about [3:58:40, 3:58:40]: D. [3:58:41, 3:58:42]: Area around there. [3:58:43, 3:58:46]: It's not the Clayton County Water Authority over there anymore. [3:58:46, 3:58:48]: It's two large warehouses. [3:58:48, 3:58:50]: With a hundred and twenty doors. [3:58:52, 3:58:55]: A hundred and twenty industrial doors. [3:58:56, 3:58:58]: Лесен на маль фрамас. [3:58:59, 3:59:03]: It's not the dry lands from Henry uh Clayton County water, it's a warehouse. [3:59:03, 3:59:12]: That's 120 vehicles or more every single day that's gonna be pulling out on the Highway 42 and going up Bally Hill Road. [3:59:12, 3:59:13]: Every single day. [3:59:14, 3:59:16]: I don't how in the world they missed it. [3:59:16, 3:59:18]: I mean it's as big as this whole [3:59:18, 3:59:19]: Complex. [3:59:21, 3:59:23]: Whether it's townhomes, apartments, or whatever. [3:59:25, 3:59:29]: There's a hundred almost two hundred town homes right up the street in Clayton County. [3:59:30, 3:59:31]: That's in Clayton County. [3:59:31, 3:59:33]: They all started out as townhomes. [3:59:33, 3:59:35]: Ninety percent of now are apartments. [3:59:36, 3:59:40]: I'm not saying these are gonna be apartments, but that's you know, right or wrong. [3:59:41, 3:59:47]: In three or four years, those towns home are gonna be rented out, they're gonna be apartments, and they're gonna be in my backyard. [3:59:49, 3:59:51]: The retention pond. [3:59:51, 3:59:53]: I'm the third one. I'm gonna have [3:59:53, 3:59:55]: Townhomes in my backyard. [3:59:55, 3:59:57]: A retention pond in my backyard. [3:59:59, 4:00:01]: I don't have a say about that. [4:00:01, 4:00:03]: That's where they want to build it. [4:00:03, 4:00:04]: And that's where it's gonna go. [4:00:05, 4:00:07]: And I don't know I've got twenty four seconds. [4:00:08, 4:00:09]: Nobody else talked about it. [4:00:10, 4:00:12]: Right on the other side of Battle Hill Road is the gas plant. [4:00:14, 4:00:23]: A week before this came out, they're gonna take out uh two twelve thousand five hundred pound compressors and put two twenty-five thousand pound compressors in there. [4:00:24, 4:00:27]: You talk about health and safety of the smoke shops and [4:00:27, 4:00:28]: Vapant places. [4:00:28, 4:00:29]: When implants get going. [4:00:30, 4:00:32]: I've told the pastor they're gonna hear it. [4:00:32, 4:00:43]: Thank you. Appreciate the comments And sir, this ain't a game. It might be a game to you guys, but it ain't too sir. Just that that's it. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Ma'am, your next uh name and address please. [4:00:46, 4:00:49]: Hi, my name's Nancy McCrae, one twenty-four Valley Dale Drive. [4:00:54, 4:01:07]: One thing that I haven't heard mentioned that I picked up from the community meeting um last Monday was Mr. Fatimi used the phrase purchase agreement. He has a purchase agreement with the church. [4:01:08, 4:01:11]: I asked specifically what that purchase agreement meant. [4:01:11, 4:01:12]: And [4:01:13, 4:01:15]: I didn't get a straight answer. [4:01:15, 4:01:15]: But [4:01:16, 4:01:16]: Um [4:01:17, 4:01:18]: My impression is [4:01:18, 4:01:21]: It's the purchase agreement is contingent upon [4:01:22, 4:01:23]: The town homes being approved. [4:01:24, 4:01:26]: If the town homes aren't approved, then [4:01:26, 4:01:30]: There's no purchase agreement. That was but I didn't get a straight answer. [4:01:30, 4:01:34]: So but that was my impression when I asked the question. [4:01:34, 4:01:46]: So I wanted to point that out. And then beyond that, I know that um it was mentioned that safety on roads is not a factor. Um I'm the one that emailed all of you earlier today pictures. [4:01:47, 4:01:51]: of accidents that I've taken pictures of. Um forgive me, I didn't [4:01:51, 4:01:55]: No how to show those to you here or show it to the crowd. [4:01:55, 4:02:07]: But um one of the pictures was a gentleman going too fast around that curve and took out a pole and several trees and you couldn't even tell that the car was behind all those trees. Um [4:02:07, 4:02:09]: The other one uh [4:02:09, 4:02:11]: was actually a life light. [4:02:12, 4:02:14]: That landed in [4:02:14, 4:02:18]: In on the property, uh pretty much where the retention pond is gonna be. [4:02:18, 4:02:23]: Maybe a little bit, maybe where the strip of townhomes are are, but [4:02:23, 4:02:27]: It was because a dump truck came around that corner, over corrected, and flipped. [4:02:28, 4:02:31]: And it probably would have landed either in that park [4:02:31, 4:02:33]: Or in that retention pond. [4:02:33, 4:02:47]: Um so I don't know what type of walls they may put up to separate their property from the road, but cars do land in that field all the time. Um so I wanted to point that out. Um [4:02:49, 4:02:50]: Let's see here. [4:02:51, 4:02:55]: There was a head on collision between two cars. Um [4:02:56, 4:03:13]: Another accident involved just one car that took that uh lady that took that curve too fast and flipped her vehicle when I got down there. Uh people were already there trying to keep the lady calm. They had her sitting on the backbench seat from her car, which had come out of the car. [4:03:13, 4:03:31]: Um it had somehow ejected and she was sitting there ever so nicely next to the car which was resting on its roof. So these accidents aren't just, you know, fender benders. They're major accidents. Um beyond this argument, I've noticed that other developments in the area [4:03:32, 4:03:37]: Um, where it seems construction has slowed, and I'm concerned with higher interest rates. [4:03:38, 4:03:53]: Uh people aren't buying as much right now. This leads me to the next concern, which would be who could afford to purchase properties right now given today's real estate climate. The conclusion I come up with is million dollar corporations, just like the ones who bought some of the houses sold in the last five years. [4:03:53, 4:03:55]: Thank you for your time, appreciate it. [4:03:56, 4:03:58]: Ma'am, next name and address, please. [4:04:00, 4:04:05]: My name my name is Amika Moore. My address is one twenty five Valleydale Drive. [4:04:06, 4:04:10]: All right, my concern here, I wasn't gonna say anything, I wanted to just see how this was gonna go. [4:04:10, 4:04:16]: I love the area I stay in. I really do love my subdivision, but the fact that I'm in a meeting. [4:04:16, 4:04:21]: And someone is changing the trajectory of everything. Also, my biggest concern is [4:04:21, 4:04:25]: the expressions on some of you guys' faces that bothers me mere because [4:04:26, 4:04:34]: You know, people are saying, yeah, they have to. I've heard comments, yeah, people have to stay somewhere. Yeah, it's this and this. We're getting this big role, but this is where we live. [4:04:35, 4:04:42]: And I think mainly that's where everybody's living. I mean, that's where everybody's missing. If you feel that way, move'em to your subdivision. [4:04:42, 4:04:54]: I don't want that in my subdivision. Being a teacher in Henry County, I see the overcrowd in other schools. And bringing 200 plus people in my backyard is a problem to me, because we already don't have place to put kids. [4:04:54, 4:04:57]: But we're bringing on this big project. [4:04:57, 4:05:08]: Then no one can answer like everyone has stated. What is gonna come first? Of the subject the town hall is coming first of the church. When you ask the developer, he says it's economical. That means you don't have the money. [4:05:09, 4:05:14]: So that mean we're trying to find those things and I just don't want I want everyone to consider that this is where we live. [4:05:14, 4:05:18]: Some of my neighbors have been li here for thirty years. I've only had five years in the game. [4:05:19, 4:05:28]: But I respect my area and I really love the city of Stockbridge. So I really hope you guys made the great a better decision. Thank you. Thank you. Ma'am, name and address, please. [4:05:31, 4:05:37]: Yes, my name is Linda Miller, three oh seven Grove Hill Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia. [4:05:39, 4:05:48]: I have been a resident of a home owner in Valley Hill Station from day one. I was one of the very first ones to move into my subdivision. [4:05:48, 4:06:08]: I am retired now, as many of the residents in my subdivision are, and yes, we are aging drivers. And yes, we do have to turn right out of our subdivision to go to our church. And by the way, there are three churches on Valley Hill Road. One at the beginning next to 42. My church is at the end, and then we have one across the [4:06:08, 4:06:11]: the road, let alone the lumber company down there. [4:06:12, 4:06:27]: And I we have to go the we have to cross the railroad tracks to go to East Atlanta to our publics to get our pick up our medicine, different things. Go play bingo at Merrill Manders with Mr. Blount. Yes, I am I do do that. [4:06:28, 4:06:40]: And yes, I am very opposed to this, very opposed to this, and it very it upsets me very much to watch set back here, watch most of you set up your stone faced. [4:06:40, 4:06:54]: And care more about building in Henry County than you do the safety of your sit the taxpaying and votus voting citizens of Henry County. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time. Appreciate it. Okay. [4:06:58, 4:07:01]: All right, council. That now ends the public hearing and uh [4:07:03, 4:07:05]: Yes, sir. Come on back up, please, Bishop. [4:07:11, 4:07:31]: Thank you, Mary. I'm gonna be as brief as I can. I think it would be unfortunate if I did not try to at least answer some of the questions that the residents have shared with you tonight. Uh let me express this first and foremost: that I am deeply, deeply concerned about the residents there in that community. I'll go so far as saying this: the reason why I can make that statement. [4:07:31, 4:07:35]: [14855.2, 14864.3]: We had in mind a community that we can draw from and have parishioners come and worship with us. [4:07:44, 4:07:51]: I understand concerns of citizens who may have re great uh issues with [4:07:51, 4:08:00]: Safety, uh, that is our concern as well, because very well some of our members are planning, considering, buying into that community. [4:08:01, 4:08:06]: And they're not interested in a place where safety is gonna be a a major factor. [4:08:06, 4:08:14]: So we're we want to build in an area where there can be middle class families that we can encourage to be a part of our congregation. [4:08:15, 4:08:23]: So we do not want to have an area where uh people who are not gonna care for the property. The property itself, townhomes are gonna be sold. [4:08:24, 4:08:25]: Not granted, sold. [4:08:26, 4:08:31]: Uh let me add something further. Uh question pi being asked is when? [4:08:31, 4:08:38]: I tried to allude to that earlier by stating that when we had this joint agreement with uh the developer. [4:08:38, 4:08:41]: We found that what was most equonomical. [4:08:42, 4:08:51]: Was this type of partnership agreement? Now, the church could have, in an initial plan we had some several years earlier, we're gonna take on the entire project. [4:08:51, 4:08:53]: site development and construction. [4:08:54, 4:08:58]: Part of our uh issue was the cost overall. [4:08:59, 4:09:19]: When the developer came along and he says, What we're gonna share that cost with you rather than you taking on this your entire site development plan, the detention pond, I'm gonna work with you. I'm gonna develop the site, I'm gonna put in the detention pond, I'm gonna put in the acceleration road, deceleration roll. What did that do? [4:09:19, 4:09:26]: Reduce the cost on the church. That's a shared cost. So in the first phase of development, it's a joint effort. [4:09:26, 4:09:31]: After the site development has been completed, the church is going to take a separate path. [4:09:32, 4:09:34]: The developer's gonna take a separate path, meaning [4:09:35, 4:09:37]: The developer is gonna obtain their funding. [4:09:38, 4:09:40]: We have been in discussion with a lender. [4:09:40, 4:09:45]: Who has assured us if we can get approval from this council? [4:09:45, 4:09:49]: They will grant us the funding to proceed with our construction. [4:09:50, 4:09:55]: Now the developer he has stated to me, well in three three to six months he'll start the project. [4:09:55, 4:10:04]: But he's also stated that the economy will dictate how quickly he'll develop those projects. Meaning, in the first phase, he could. [4:10:04, 4:10:06]: Bill perhaps ten units. [4:10:07, 4:10:09]: And if those ten units are sold, then he'll move on. [4:10:10, 4:10:17]: If those ten units aren't sold, then he may have to slow the process. That's the townhouse. We have nothing to do with that. [4:10:17, 4:10:19]: In the meantime, we're gonna proceed. [4:10:19, 4:10:20]: We're building the church. [4:10:21, 4:10:27]: Now, granted, uh, we cannot dictate to the developer how quickly he will need to build those townhouses. [4:10:27, 4:10:31]: But what we do hope is that before that project is fully developed, [4:10:32, 4:10:36]: We can have a seat at the table with the city council members or whomever. [4:10:36, 4:10:41]: And talk about these concerns the residents do have. They're important concerns. [4:10:41, 4:10:58]: And it would be unfortunate if I or any of our members or the developer would overlook that. I'm not gonna suggest to you how you should uh take those concerns into consideration. But I'm saying from our position, we have concerns. Meaning if we can sit down, we find out there's some things the city can do. [4:10:58, 4:11:05]: or the county to improve traffic flow in that area. Hopefully the city or the county would respond. [4:11:05, 4:11:25]: If there are things that we can do as a church, hopefully we'll at that time have the means and resources to complete that, well before the entire project is completed. So in other words, I I I think if it's three to six months months before you get started, perhaps it may be a year before the entire project is completed, as far as the townhouse is concerned. [4:11:25, 4:11:40]: By then I hope we'll have a fully comprehensive plan in place that can address their concerns. Uh if I may, I don't know how much time I have. I want to run down a few of these concerns the residents have. They say don't give a preacher a mic, you'll be in trouble. [4:11:40, 4:11:47]: Uh so let me let me see if I can abide by whatever time you have. There are a few other concerns that are mentioned. [4:11:47, 4:11:49]: uh purchase um [4:11:50, 4:11:54]: The uh purchase of the property are individual owners. [4:11:54, 4:12:09]: We have nothing to do with that. Again, some of our residents, our parishioners, uh will be purchasing. Matter of fact, I have a sister who's interested in purchasing, a friend that should purchase. She can't hardly wait for the project to go up. Clayton County has given us the approval. [4:12:09, 4:12:17]: They've evaluated the capacity of our project and have determined that it can be met. [4:12:17, 4:12:22]: The uh I've heard mention the concerns about traffic. [4:12:23, 4:12:27]: А лемі ще сипли цей десь трафік водоби і міді. [4:12:27, 4:12:29]: And so we again we need to look at that. [4:12:30, 4:12:32]: Not short term, but long term. [4:12:32, 4:12:40]: Uh the detention pond, where the tension pond is located. The engineers have determined that the slope of the property slopes towards that area. [4:12:41, 4:12:43]: That's the lowest point on the property. [4:12:43, 4:12:45]: It was more practical. [4:12:45, 4:12:48]: For us to be developer himself, he made the point. [4:12:49, 4:13:09]: That is more practical for the detention pond to be in the place where it is. So it was not uh a deliberate attempt or indiscriminate attempt. It was by the the design of the property, the slope of the property, it was best determined that that's the best place it should be. I think I've just hit the high points here, but again, we're all concerned about safety. [4:13:09, 4:13:29]: criminality, all of those things of concern to us. We pray that we'll have the kind of residents next to our church that are citizens who would respect their neighbors. And again, we we have no control where citizens are these days and what they may do. We well realize that these present days, crime is everywhere. [4:13:28, 4:13:48]: But I do value their concerns. We want to make sure that the HOA that goes into place, I would certainly want them to hear some of these concerns and to incorporate them in those plans. We value what we're doing. And this partnership, again, first and foremost, is a joint effort. [4:13:48, 4:14:01]: Phase one, site development plan is completed, then we can move forward. The cost reduction is significant. And I've heard the uh the concern about the number of units that are gonna be built. [4:14:01, 4:14:04]: The engineer developer said to us, he said, Reverend [4:14:05, 4:14:25]: If you want to get this project done more economically and more efficiently, you have to work together with me. And if we can get that site development cost reduced, we can lower the cost on the homes, make them more affordable, but at the same time lower the cost on the church. Again, the church has its own funding source. [4:14:24, 4:14:44]: to obtain our timelines will immediately begin once the site work is done. We have nothing to do with the developer once the site work is complete. Hopefully that addressed some of those main concerns that citizens have uh brought forward. Stand stand by please any further questions before we go before I ask for a vote here. Yes. [4:14:44, 4:14:49]: [15290.1, 15290.8]: So [4:14:51, 4:15:01]: And to answer Councilman Blount's comment he mentioned about if I don't support this project, why am I adding all of these conditions? It's because I've res [4:15:01, 4:15:06]: I've talked with the residents. I know exactly what they're asking for. [4:15:07, 4:15:08]: If [4:15:08, 4:15:11]: The pastor of this church wants to support [4:15:11, 4:15:13]: Of the representative of this area. [4:15:13, 4:15:15]: You will have to agree. [4:15:15, 4:15:22]: to all of the conditions in which I've addressed them with the pastor. And he's told me it's not possible. [4:15:22, 4:15:27]: I asked for single family, detached homes. That's not possible. [4:15:28, 4:15:30]: I asked that they conduct an engineering study. [4:15:31, 4:15:36]: So that they would recommend it would recommend methods to prevent motor vehicle accidents. [4:15:37, 4:15:47]: with site distance requirements, because we know that there's a safety concern. The safety concern is on the the onus of the developer. [4:15:47, 4:15:49]: in the city to prevent any [4:15:50, 4:15:53]: Major catastrophes and accidents in that area. [4:15:54, 4:15:56]: We all know there's a blind curve there. [4:15:57, 4:16:02]: But everybody's no one on this council is addressing it. Staff didn't address it either. [4:16:03, 4:16:14]: I'm asking the pastor about it as well. He hasn't addressed it. The roads, I am not addressing the conditions of the road. What I am con dr addressing is the [4:16:15, 4:16:18]: Дік до блайн ков, вичес афті концерн. [4:16:20, 4:16:21]: In addition to [4:16:22, 4:16:35]: I asked about a pool, clubhouse, and playground. Those are the amenities that Councilman Alexander mentions all the time. We want high quality, class A developments here. [4:16:35, 4:16:38]: Ідесна часто пікник ірея. [4:16:39, 4:16:40]: This is not enough, said [4:16:42, 4:16:44]: We also also talked about oh [4:16:45, 4:16:49]: Um the hundred percent fee simple, owner occupied. [4:16:50, 4:16:53]: The rentals we don't want it. [4:16:54, 4:16:54]: Um [4:16:55, 4:16:57]: The front entrance and beautification. [4:16:57, 4:17:00]: Um signage in the front of this development. [4:17:01, 4:17:11]: all of which I've discussed with the pastor. What it seems as though this council has already made decisions. In fact, the pastor has felt comfortable enough [4:17:12, 4:17:16]: To have conversations with other members of this council and is not addressing [4:17:17, 4:17:19]: The individual who represents the [4:17:19, 4:17:20]: The people here. [4:17:21, 4:17:25]: I'm telling you over and over again what their concerns are. [4:17:26, 4:17:31]: You're only choosing to address what you want to address. They're concerned about um [4:17:32, 4:17:33]: The [4:17:33, 4:17:36]: residential component of this development. [4:17:36, 4:17:37]: Being built. [4:17:38, 4:17:40]: And never the church when in fact the whole [4:17:41, 4:17:45]: Objective of this proposed project was the church. [4:17:47, 4:17:50]: But nobody is addressing that. I need to know when. [4:17:51, 4:17:55]: If this is approved tonight by this council because I'm not supporting it. [4:17:55, 4:17:57]: If it is approved by the council tonight [4:17:58, 4:18:00]: When when will the church [4:18:01, 4:18:04]: began construction because that has received approval. [4:18:04, 4:18:05]: Well that [4:18:05, 4:18:08]: Being began construction in the next ninety days? [4:18:10, 4:18:30]: Okay, uh let me answer that too. Will you begin the construction of the church within the next ninety days? The developer stated that it will take uh perhaps uh three months before anything can begin, meaning the clearing of the property. Now, how long that takes, the developer can answer that. How long does it take to develop the site itself? The developer can answer. [4:18:30, 4:18:36]: answer that I'll I'll certainly have him to come and speak to that. But now once the site work is completed [4:18:36, 4:18:56]: Which may take uh Mr. Fatimi, would you like to give some indication how long? Come on to the yes. Now remember, keep set uh pardon me, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but remember now, enough the church cannot start its project until the site work infrastructure is completed. The sewer lines, uh the [4:18:56, 4:19:16]: The uh park road curb and all of those things, detention part, those things do take some time to put in place. Now, once those are completed, the church now can proceed. Now I will say this: when we get a plan, I speak positively and I'm hopeful we will, and I'm hoping that in the future we'll have a positive relationship. [4:19:16, 4:19:23]: Our residents will discover that was a good thing for us to be in the community. But when that approval is given, [4:19:23, 4:19:34]: We want to make sure that we're going to put plans into motion to start the process for the development of the church. The developer is going to do the same on his side of the fence. [4:19:34, 4:19:41]: Now, in regards to the curb, uh I'm pointing to the curve, the very curb that you made mention of right here. [4:19:41, 4:19:55]: When we first started this project in 2006, not this project, another project that did not include the townhouses, we went so far as to put in the uh the driveway, main entrance right here. [4:19:56, 4:20:02]: When the engineers from I'm put it right here, right here. This is where we had placed it, and I'll show you on the plans we have. [4:20:02, 4:20:22]: When we went to Henry County Planning and Zoning, the engineers, the civil engineers said we have to go out on site and inspect the property and see where it is. There were three gentlemen from Henry County engineers who came out on site and they told us that where we have it currently is the best line of sight. [4:20:22, 4:20:31]: that possibly can give. Now I'll go so further to state that on this side, once this area is cleared with trees, you'll have an excellent line of sight. [4:20:32, 4:20:36]: А this will also be the case on this side from where we are standing in this area. [4:20:36, 4:20:56]: Visibility is limited. And that's will be a concern. But once the trees and the shrubbery are cleared, uh, we'll have a much improved line of sight. But at the same time, we hope in the future we can have some warning signs put up, flashing lines perhaps, because by then the construction of the housing would have increased. [4:20:56, 4:21:16]: And uh we have more uh traffic. I don't know if I've answered your your your main questions. You did. Okay. Thank you. All right, any other comments before we take a vote here? Anything else from the council? Yeah, you're going, Miss Uh. Mr. Aaron, uh public works or in regards to the roads, you heard a lot about the blinds. [4:21:16, 4:21:18]: Come on up there, sir. [4:21:20, 4:21:31]: We've heard we've heard some concerns about blind spots in this road. One, did we just inherited this road in January? I that's one of my questions. And number two, um [4:21:33, 4:21:38]: what can be done in the future, regardless of of [4:21:39, 4:21:46]: uh whether townhomes are there or not, what can be done to are there any signs that say warning blind spot or [4:21:46, 4:21:54]: bla or sharp curve or whatever the case may be. I'm sure that GDOT requires certain things anyway. So I'm asking what is on that road [4:21:54, 4:21:58]: To provide notice of the danger of that road. [4:21:58, 4:22:18]: Well, we can always put additional signage, but one of the first thing I would suggest is we contact Herring County because they had a traffic study done on all their major roads. That road was under their jurisdiction. So we should contact them to see what information they have regarding that road and what recommendations they had for improvements to the road. Okay. So that [4:22:18, 4:22:38]: That road was under their jurisdiction. That was the question I had. Yes, ma'am. So we we but is it now under our jurisdiction? Yes, ma'am, as a remote. So we've inherited this road as of January of this year, correct? Yes, ma'am. We have a lot of roads that we're working on right now and looking at. And so once we do that step, we determine what [4:22:38, 4:22:43]: their road plans were for for Valley Hill, correct? Yes, ma'am. All right. [4:22:43, 4:22:47]: All right, thank you. I don't have any further questions in regards to the road. [4:22:47, 4:22:53]: If no other questions for the council I need a motion to approve or disapprove this uh section. [4:22:57, 4:22:59]: Is there a motion? One way or the other? [4:23:03, 4:23:05]: I can't make a motion, folks. [4:23:08, 4:23:12]: Lo let me ask a couple let me ask a question real quick. So [4:23:13, 4:23:33]: In terms of what we've been doing with these developments, uh we've been setting rental caps uh at the ones that we've done. Uh we set a 10% rental cap that will be included in the covenants in the neighborhood that says that would mean a 90% owner-occupied requirement. We would have owner occupied requirement in there, and there would be a maximum. [4:23:33, 4:23:50]: maximum of ten percent uh rentals in the subdivision. Are you agreeable with those terms? Oh absolutely, absolutely. Uh we're here to hear what the city guidelines may be that would move us forward and I think that's a reasonable um suggestion. [4:23:51, 4:24:11]: So during the HOA there would be a HOA would be required to maintain the property, uh to make sure now as part of the HOA will the lawns be maintained as well? Yes, the HOA would maintain the the that's why we want an HOA to make sure the property adjacent to our church will well represent our property. [4:24:11, 4:24:20]: Yes. Um all the tunnels since um you have to maintain a roof property uh maintenance. [4:24:20, 4:24:23]: Have to have HOA, so we're definitely gonna have HOA. [4:24:23, 4:24:30]: Question with that. I'm gonna let her finish. I wanna make sure before I do anything. [4:24:31, 4:24:50]: There was a mention of purchase agreement. Um, who currently owns the property? The church does. And is there a purchase agreement in place for the per property be to be purchased through to the developer or to open the property? As long as we are 501 C three, we cannot build a church I mean uh on our per church property. [4:24:50, 4:24:55]: So that's why we had to divide the the property into two parsels. [4:24:56, 4:25:00]: Thereby allowing for town homes to be built on the larger parcel. [4:25:00, 4:25:02]: На азачеч. [4:25:03, 4:25:04]: Uh we cannot [4:25:04, 4:25:09]: А девел entity a townhouses, we have to have a separate. [4:25:10, 4:25:19]: Um entity entity to which we can build under. So it made it a lot easier for us to have someone who could partner with us. [4:25:19, 4:25:24]: Consider our interests, our concerns, as well as whatever concerns residents have. [4:25:24, 4:25:32]: To come to the table with us. So by doing so, uh they're gonna have access, we work out the terms of agreement for cost. [4:25:32, 4:25:33]: And then [4:25:34, 4:25:40]: That's where they're gonna develop the the townhomes. So who's gonna own the property? Because i in my eyes [4:25:40, 4:25:44]: When you have a purchase agreement, you're a non profit, you could possibly [4:25:45, 4:26:00]: also have a for profit entity as well. It it is under your control to be able to create your own entity, your own business entity, correct? So my question to you is, and that I'm sorry I shouldn't uh said c that's correct, correct? [4:26:00, 4:26:13]: You could you it it it is possible to have a separate business entity outside of your nonprofit, is that not it is, it is, it is. Okay. Now you're partnering with the developer, is what you're saying. [4:26:13, 4:26:14]: And [4:26:14, 4:26:18]: But you're answering for the developer in regards to [4:26:19, 4:26:27]: the agreement of the 10%. I need to know whoever's owning that property that they're gonna agree to the 10% cap. [4:26:27, 4:26:28]: Right. Not [4:26:28, 4:26:34]: the person who's selling the property over because is there some type of partnership agreement in place? [4:26:34, 4:26:40]: No, currently church owns the property. I understand. And when we go through this process [4:26:41, 4:26:47]: We we will end up owning this property. You will are so are you agreeing to the terms that we're asking for? [4:26:48, 4:27:08]: I think we're gonna sell a hundred percent to the owners to the HOA and ten percent I don't think is a big deal because majority of the owners of the building uh properties will be church cores anyway. So Would you agree to that though? Would you agree to that cap and and the HOA having uh HOA covenant to state? [4:27:08, 4:27:15]: Something of that nature? We don't plan to rent them out. So we're pl we're planning to sell every single unit to single members. [4:27:15, 4:27:17]: So I don't see a problem. [4:27:17, 4:27:21]: Well it's not a a just a plan. It's something that we are saying we want to [4:27:22, 4:27:23]: We want you know [4:27:24, 4:27:34]: But for the reason we're voting to agree to this is because you're agreeing to make sure this happens. That's what we're saying right now. If if it is part of the plan, yes, we can agree to it. [4:27:35, 4:27:43]: I'm sorry? No, go ahead. Repeat it please. Yeah, if if it's it's approved on conditionally, we will agree to it. [4:27:44, 4:27:44]: Okay. [4:27:46, 4:27:47]: All right. [4:27:48, 4:27:50]: No further questions. [4:27:50, 4:28:10]: Okay, certainly what we've done to be consistent with every other development that we had done uh along the frontage we required a ten foot multi-use path along the frontage so there would be a wide sidewalk because right now there's no sidewalk there. We did that for Davis Road, we did that for East Atlanta Road, any developments because we [4:28:10, 4:28:16]: We're developing a citywide trail network. Are you okay with the sidewalk along the frontage? [4:28:17, 4:28:20]: Стенфут сайдвак [4:28:20, 4:28:31]: Uh we can have it in front of our sidewalk but the the then church has to have the sidewalk also and then it's gonna end up end at the end of our pr property. So who's gonna take over from there on? [4:28:32, 4:28:34]: Well certainly it would it would need to be both parcels. [4:28:36, 4:28:50]: Well it will end in our in you see where the uh our property line is. Well where whatever whatever your property line is, whether's whatever's yours, whatever the church, it would be a ten foot sidewalk. That's what we require for every development. [4:28:51, 4:28:56]: I think what he's asking is that as long as we end it at our property line. [4:28:56, 4:29:05]: We don't know. Right, it's you you don't have to go pay your property line. All of your frontage, whether it's the church or his, need to be covered by the ten foot sidewall. [4:29:05, 4:29:15]: Okay. That's agreeable? Yes. Okay. And also we had uh asked for I think Council Mayor Pro Tem had asked for a pool and a clubhouse. [4:29:18, 4:29:38]: Well, you know, having a pool is a liability. I certainly understand that, sir. But to be consistent with what I'm asking you not not to tell me why. I'm asking you if you can do the pool or not. Agree to something that HOA and people who are actually living in that unit increases their HOA fees. [4:29:38, 4:29:48]: they may not be able to maintain it. It's gonna be a liability to the community. So I think i it would be a harmshit to the I can build it. [4:29:49, 4:29:58]: I just need to know that's what I'm gonna that's what I'm gonna store to m maintain it is totally different thing. That's what I'm gonna put in the conditions. Are you agreeable to that? [4:30:02, 4:30:06]: Well if if we build it and nobody can maintain it. [4:30:06, 4:30:21]: What is good you for The HOA, the HOA, that's their job. If they don't maintain it, just like Pine Grove didn't maintain theirs, we crack down on them. Code enforcement will get involved. The HOA will be required to. They ain't no not doing it. Pine Grove found that out. [4:30:21, 4:30:41]: You see I don't know how many pine uh uh uh members they have in Pine Grove, but this is only fifty-six units. You know, you you're asking a uh members to pay hefty fine, hefty uh HOA fees to just to have a swimming pool maybe used or not used. [4:30:42, 4:30:47]: I I certainly understand that sir, but every other development like yours has a pool in it. Under fifty six units? [4:30:47, 4:31:05]: Yeah, forty seven has one uh attached to a subdivision, yes. Yes. Have forty seven approved in my district, uh and they were attached to a subdivision across the street, they used the pool over there at the subdivision. They had it in the HOA Covenant. I approved that project as a part of my district, yes, sir. [4:31:06, 4:31:17]: Yeah, extra question. Uh we currently have three recreational areas, one of which is large Sir I understand that. Do you agree up all to the pool or not? We can go home and say no. [4:31:17, 4:31:35]: I just the reason I was asking is can we is it uh in lieu of the parking area or in addition to whatever we have here? What it would do, it will replace one of those areas. You would instead of you having we don't want to increase we what we want to do is take one of those areas that you've identified as a park to make uh this make the uh pool. [4:31:40, 4:31:50]: It's gonna be additional costs for the union members. It's gonna be very expensive. Would you say yes to it? [4:31:53, 4:31:55]: Fifty six units. Funny. [4:31:59, 4:32:01]: Well I know. We we're trying to get there. [4:32:01, 4:32:02]: We good with that? [4:32:03, 4:32:13]: I will agree to build it but you know uh Uh I guess all I need to know, sir, are you okay with that? It's gonna be in the conditions because if you don't build it, you're not gonna be able to move forward. It's gonna be in the conditions. [4:32:14, 4:32:15]: You okay with that? [4:32:15, 4:32:17]: I'm okay with it, but members is gonna be [4:32:18, 4:32:33]: I I certainly understand. Every the clerk, Ms. Clerk, did you get down the conditions? What wh why don't we make that part of the motion? That way th it'd be that it'd be all part of whatever motions is. Right. That's what I'm asking the clerk. Did you get them th those down? [4:32:40, 4:32:56]: along the front of both the church and the town home development and replacing one of the parts uh with pools. So that will be two parts. I don't know which of the three parts is being replaced by status of [4:32:57, 4:32:58]: The step. [4:33:04, 4:33:18]: The staff would get together with them to act up the uh the uh the most th so so it could be placed the staff would make the determination with where what is the best place to locate it in concert with [4:33:18, 4:33:22]: the developer, did you get down about the ten percent rental cap? [4:33:30, 4:33:46]: It I don't know whatever the H1 uh could be it could be three or five hundred miles a year, so everybody but else I don't know. Okay. But anyway, about that. Yes. [4:33:51, 4:33:52]: You okay with that? [4:33:55, 4:33:56]: Heathen Conference. [4:34:02, 4:34:06]: Any other conditions uh recommended by staff? [4:34:08, 4:34:14]: All right, l um no no sir, you you already had your con that that listen listen, sir. [4:34:14, 4:34:17]: Yeah, I told you, I told him I gave you the real ground rules earlier. [4:34:17, 4:34:18]: Okay, so [4:34:18, 4:34:38]: Well you're going to address what now, Ms. Uh Ms. Carter? If if I may, mayor counsel. So the item before you at this time is the comprehensive plan amendment, which is specifically just to allow for them to build under a high density residential at the seven units per acre. Okay. Um we typically don't put zoning conditions. [4:34:38, 4:34:42]: on the comp plan amendment is either an approval or a denial. [4:34:42, 4:34:43]: Um [4:34:43, 4:34:57]: And then for the rezoning which will be next, those conditions would be most appropriate. Oh, so that's in the next round. Okay. That's in the next round if that's the case. Okay. I'll make a motion to approve and then we'll uh look at the conditions on the next round. [4:34:57, 4:35:04]: All right, is there a second to wait the comp plan what? Say say that one more time. What are we voting on? The comp plan, what exactly? [4:35:05, 4:35:18]: There's what's called a comprehensive plan amendment, and that's required for any rezoning application that comes in at a density that is higher than what is currently in the future land use map or the code. [4:35:18, 4:35:38]: So in order to do that, you would be only approving for them to have the seven units to the acre that they're asking for, or you can uh adjust it from there. But you deal with the rezoning and the conditions with the next item. But right now, currently, our future land use map in that area is for hydrogen. [4:35:38, 4:35:54]: It's for low density residential. But the property next to it is a PUD, which gives it a little bit higher density, not quite seven units to the acre, but that is what was um proposed and it's up to the council to determine if that's appropriate or not. [4:35:55, 4:35:55]: Well [4:35:56, 4:35:58]: Mayor, can I keep going? Go ahead, please. [4:35:58, 4:36:00]: So why [4:36:05, 4:36:08]: Can you repeat what you just said to me one more time? [4:36:08, 4:36:17]: Which which part? The part in regard to no, not that I didn't understand. I'm more concerned and confused about why we're just getting [4:36:17, 4:36:19]: The information in regards to [4:36:21, 4:36:24]: Um, or maybe I didn't hear it at first. [4:36:25, 4:36:26]: That this [4:36:28, 4:36:31]: is in regards to the comprehensive plan. [4:36:33, 4:36:34]: And that [4:36:35, 4:36:38]: I thought maybe the future [4:36:39, 4:36:59]: Land use map that we've recently approved is the reason why we're here that it it fall it fell in line with it. It was and you're saying that we have a plan, a PUD nearby it, but it doesn't have as much density as this one. So d the the plan our [4:36:58, 4:37:18]: future plan and our comprehensive plan, neither one of these say, oh hey, wait, we were planning on doing high density in this area anyway. Is that what you're saying to me? What I'm saying to you is that based on our comp plan, we have not updated it in since 2018. We're going through a formalized process outside of these [4:37:18, 4:37:38]: the applicants. What about our future land use? The few it's all the same. The comprehensive land use plan and the map are married together. Okay. So what we're suggesting is that the property be re that the amendment go forward if you guys want to have it go forward based upon [4:37:38, 4:37:48]: the use and that it's similar to a PUD, we're starting to see that area change to a more low density to actual higher mid density property. [4:37:48, 4:38:08]: Now our proposed future land use w what was it that we just recently approved stating w w wait minute. The UDC. Unified Development Code. The zoning map. Our Unified Development Code. Our unified development code was was approved in twenty [4:38:08, 4:38:22]: twenty two and twenty two and what did that show in regards to this in in regards to w what this area would be It doesn't. It doesn't. It does the future land use map shows that. Okay. So it's what could be built in the future. [4:38:22, 4:38:42]: All right. And where are we with this right now? We haven't kind of established what that was gonna look like in this area. Well we're going through the formalized process now. Currently it's showing is low density residential. But due to the change in the density in that area, staff thought it would be appropriate to have they based on the number of units the [4:38:42, 4:39:02]: that number of of density for that property in conjunction with the overall project. Okay, so the UDC, what exactly does it show at all in general? The UDC we we don't have that in the area because we weren't they they just recently annexed in, is that what you're saying? Or is it the the road right [4:39:02, 4:39:05]: right next to it, whatever was in the city limits at the time. [4:39:06, 4:39:08]: In that area, what is it showing? [4:39:08, 4:39:16]: Uh I believe it's showing it's still low density residential. So this would be um high density. Even in in twenty twenty two. Was that our proposal? [4:39:18, 4:39:30]: I propose in twenty twenty two for UDC in the area right next to it that was in that's in the city limits of Stockbridge. So there are I just wanna kinda separate the documents. [4:39:34, 4:39:45]: Good night, Mayor Council. Um, Miss Gantt, so this piece of property came in the city in twenty twenty three. Yes. So it was not included in our zoning map. [4:39:46, 4:39:56]: at the time. The map has to be adjusted based on the current zoning of the property that came from the county. So when any time you annex property into a location, it has to be zoned. [4:39:56, 4:40:16]: I understand. And it has to be light zone, so that's what it is. The future line use map. What about the PUD that or that was next door that was in the city limits? What was it? What is the UDC saying about that? There's a PUD that's just directly west of it. Um what is our UDC saying about that? It doesn't. It all of these properties came into the city as a result. [4:40:16, 4:40:25]: of the annexation. And so we look at them parcel by parcel. Okay. I gotcha. All right. I just wanted to make sure we weren't okay. Thank you. [4:40:29, 4:40:31]: To approve the recommendation by the staff. [4:40:32, 4:40:33]: Is there a second to the motion? [4:40:36, 4:40:38]: Is there a second to the motion? [4:40:41, 4:40:48]: All right, no second. That means the motion dies and this uh I would imagine no more disc discussion. Yes, sir. [4:40:50, 4:40:53]: Um, therefore. [4:40:55, 4:40:57]: Go ahead. [4:40:59, 4:41:16]: We'll we'll have another item where where the applicant will be able to speak. Okay. Since the the vote has already took taken place. The vote didn't take place. There was no vote. There's there's no action taken thus far. The action that means that it's still alive and vote. What one second, sir. Mayor Ford. [4:41:16, 4:41:17]: Yeah, uh yes, Ms. Barber. [4:41:17, 4:41:22]: I'd like to make a motion to deny the comp plan amendment. [4:41:23, 4:41:24]: Gives there a second to the motion. [4:41:26, 4:41:28]: Is it a second to the motion? [4:41:30, 4:41:33]: There is no second to this motion. It also dies. [4:41:35, 4:41:38]: All right, now, Mr Blount, you had you were in my ear. You had something, sir? [4:41:39, 4:41:40]: I'm looking at um [4:41:42, 4:41:47]: What's the point of order? Okay. Uh mister Washington. What's the point of order, sir? [4:41:49, 4:41:51]: What is the problem? [4:41:53, 4:42:00]: If there's not been a vote yes or no on it, then counsel has not made a decision on this matter. [4:42:01, 4:42:08]: Both motions to approve and motions to deny have not been seconded. So it's no it's it's just stalemate. I guess it's just it's just hanging out there. [4:42:08, 4:42:20]: It it has to be a a final vote on up or down, or it just stays out there. It'll come it'll k stay out there in a in uh per perpetuity until somebody decides. Right. [4:42:20, 4:42:34]: I'm trying to understand what is it that what is the hesitancy. Mr. Elizabeth was talking. Go ahead, Mr. Alzheimer. What what I mean, so I wanna understand so we can go either way. What is it that that is the desire of the council? What is the issue? [4:42:36, 4:42:52]: Well, my issue is that if we approve the comprehensive plan, even though we haven't rezoned it for a particular thing, it's basically saying this is our plan in the future that this particular area would be high density. And I'm not certain [4:42:52, 4:43:03]: Whether or not with infrastructure, whether or not we have certain things in place for it to be zoned as high density. Us saying this would say in future land use map and comprehensive without [4:43:04, 4:43:17]: hearing I I mean, there's a recommendation from staff and there's a recommendation from planning commission approval with certain conditions. So that kinda leans me towards approving it. Mm but at the same time [4:43:19, 4:43:26]: I wanna look at the totality of where w uh of the vicinity in general. Because once I approve this comprehensive plan amendment. [4:43:27, 4:43:31]: Even though we're working on a new updated one, so to speak. [4:43:32, 4:43:52]: it falls right in line with us approving rezoning for that area to that high density. Not saying that we should or shouldn't, but I'm also looking at the PUD. The PUD is a little less in acres of of uh allowing for less, right? There's not seven point eight six four units per acre. [4:43:51, 4:44:11]: And so there's there might be, you know, a little bit lower from what I'm heard, there's a little bit lower density around in that vicinity. Now I do have some concerns. We are growing, and there's a need for housing. Certainly. There's a need for affordable housing. Affordable doesn't mean projects. [4:44:11, 4:44:29]: Supportable means educators, teachers, our blue collar, our police officers can have somewhere to live within our community. That's what this is. No, that's what I'm saying. I I'm I'm for supporting our community in that way, but I want to be smart about it. [4:44:30, 4:44:33]: And I want to make sure that I'm doing the right thing. [4:44:34, 4:44:36]: I'm not for or against [4:44:36, 4:44:49]: But I wanna make sure that once I vote on this, I'm saying, you know what? High density is a good idea. It will go there. And the reason why I'm looking at it also is because of the close vicinity it is to our downtown. [4:44:49, 4:44:52]: Our downtown is a live, work and play environment. [4:44:53, 4:44:54]: It's coming to that. [4:44:54, 4:44:58]: Where we want certain high density areas. We do. [4:44:59, 4:45:01]: We do. We want that. [4:45:01, 4:45:07]: Because we're trying to build a very nice downtown. Avalon had to do it. [4:45:08, 4:45:14]: Atlantic station had to do it. There are certain areas and certain things that we have looked at. [4:45:14, 4:45:25]: For our future in the past, since 20 before I was here, 2012 and beyond twenty seven, before I was even here, this mayor and council had plans for. [4:45:25, 4:45:36]: So I'm looking and thinking about all of that, but I wanna make sure that we're doing it in the right area. That's all. [4:45:37, 4:45:41]: Yeah, Mayor, if I could Mayor Ford. It's back to Miss Barber here. [4:45:43, 4:45:52]: Um I recognize that every area of land that is undeveloped, at some point it is gonna be developed. [4:45:54, 4:45:56]: I'm thinking about what is best use. [4:45:58, 4:45:59]: In this specific area. [4:46:00, 4:46:09]: This specific area is not included, or let me ask you, Ms. Carter, is this area included in our redevelopment plan? [4:46:11, 4:46:15]: I do not believe this is part of our urban development. Mr. Gardner. [4:46:16, 4:46:16]: Yeah. [4:46:17, 4:46:20]: It is not included in our redevelopment plan. [4:46:23, 4:46:30]: Our redevelopment plan includes all of the areas um in the downtown area in which we want to build. [4:46:30, 4:46:32]: A vibrant downtown. By the way, [4:46:32, 4:46:36]: All of that area, downtown, this area north of the city. [4:46:37, 4:46:40]: Farthest east of the city, I represent the area. [4:46:41, 4:46:42]: So you would think. [4:46:42, 4:46:44]: That my councilmates would consider [4:46:44, 4:46:45]: What I think [4:46:46, 4:46:47]: But they're not. [4:46:47, 4:46:52]: So I think I need to just sit here and allow them to just discuss it amongst each other. [4:46:52, 4:46:54]: Because they're gonna make this decision. [4:46:54, 4:46:56]: Веде орна супорти орна. [4:46:57, 4:46:59]: But I at least want to get for the record. [4:47:00, 4:47:03]: The concerns of the residents who live there. [4:47:04, 4:47:11]: I've had a number of conversations with Pastor Nation. He's not considering anything that I'm saying because [4:47:11, 4:47:13]: He's spoken with them. [4:47:13, 4:47:15]: He doesn't need my support. [4:47:16, 4:47:19]: I am really concerned with high density. [4:47:20, 4:47:26]: in this particular area. It would be different if it was proposed for State Route forty two. [4:47:27, 4:47:32]: But it's right next to a subdivision, an established subdivision. [4:47:32, 4:47:48]: Can you tell me, do you know right off, Miss Carter, is that subdivision Valley Hill Station, is it a medium density subdivision? I can get you an exact see if I can get you an exact um density. But the lots as you can see it are [4:47:49, 4:47:51]: fairly small. Um [4:47:52, 4:48:01]: And I don't know if if you have that offhand, uh Ryan, what the density is for this particular uh subdivision. Come come to my uh Ryan, please. If you might okay. [4:48:02, 4:48:03]: What's that using by? [4:48:04, 4:48:05]: Sweet. [4:48:08, 4:48:10]: This one versus that one. [4:48:14, 4:48:18]: It's D and D. Um it's five point. [4:48:28, 4:48:29]: Yes, [4:48:30, 4:48:37]: This one at the end. This is five point seven. Five point four side. [4:48:41, 4:48:44]: Things like there won't be anybody's own name. [4:48:49, 4:48:53]: Right. Correct. [4:48:54, 4:48:57]: Oh yeah, it's uh five different [4:48:59, 4:49:19]: So the the current density of the project, you know, let me try to get to the map, is five point nine seven. So it's just under six units to the acre. And I think I mentioned to you all before our comprehensive plan has this a discrepancy. That's why we're going through an update process now to [4:49:19, 4:49:22]: make a distinction, a cutoff for [4:49:23, 4:49:43]: z zero to three units to the acre and then it jumps to like three point six to six units of the acre and anything above six units to the acre is considered high density. But looking overall the city, that's just not the I don't think that's the intent to have high density start at six units to the acre. Um [4:49:43, 4:50:02]: So so yes, we looked at the kind of the evolution of the community, what zoning is already in place just west of this uh subdivision is commercial and of course uh North Henry Boulevard or Highway 42. And that's those are things we consider. Um back to my question. Ms. Carter. [4:50:02, 4:50:05]: Um so for medium density. [4:50:06, 4:50:19]: How many units would that be? Right now it's up to three point six units to the acre. And then it jumps. There's a gap. That's the discrepancy that we have in our current code and is which is why we're going through a full process to correct that. [4:50:19, 4:50:20]: Okay. [4:50:20, 4:50:40]: What's the um tell me the gap again um from the three point six to So you have three point um six and then it goes I think it's three point two to three point six and that's the end of medium density. And then it jumps right to six units of the acre. So there's no in between I I [4:50:40, 4:50:50]: it may have been a lost number um in twenty eighteen when this w came about to begin with. Okay. So one of the other concerns, which is the next item [4:50:50, 4:50:52]: is for the exception. [4:50:52, 4:50:58]: that they're asking the variance of twenty-five feet. I don't support the variance. I know that's the next item. [4:50:58, 4:51:05]: But um why this particular item, the comp plan amendment case, is important. [4:51:06, 4:51:09]: I don't support the twenty five feet setbag. [4:51:10, 4:51:15]: Mm. In fact, not only I know Councilman Alexander is asking [4:51:16, 4:51:18]: adding a pull as a condition. [4:51:19, 4:51:23]: But we need a clubhouse as well, a meeting space. [4:51:23, 4:51:36]: That'd be in the next section. In meeting space. That'd be that we'll address that. We'll address it in the next section if that's the case. No. We Okay. So with adding those additional amenities, it's going to take away [4:51:37, 4:51:39]: Space for them to build. [4:51:40, 4:51:41]: Which m [4:51:41, 4:51:44]: He won't have enough room to be a [4:51:45, 4:51:48]: Fifty six units. This high density. [4:51:49, 4:51:50]: I don't support. [4:51:50, 4:51:51]: Fifty six. [4:51:51, 4:51:53]: Eunas there. [4:51:53, 4:51:55]: Because there's not enough parking. [4:51:56, 4:51:58]: Based on the rendering that he showed. [4:51:59, 4:52:02]: There's only two cars that can fit in the driveway. [4:52:02, 4:52:05]: In two cars that can fit in the garage. [4:52:06, 4:52:09]: If he's only building three and four [4:52:10, 4:52:12]: Bedroom units. That's a family. [4:52:13, 4:52:16]: А фамилии о фор адос. [4:52:17, 4:52:18]: They will have guests. [4:52:19, 4:52:21]: Those guests, the additional parking [4:52:22, 4:52:26]: He mentioned the additional parking would be in the church parking lot. [4:52:26, 4:52:30]: So their guests will have to walk from the church parking lot. [4:52:31, 4:52:32]: To wherever they're visiting. [4:52:33, 4:52:37]: There won't be any room in the driveway for them to park. [4:52:37, 4:52:41]: I don't support this high density. I support lowering the density. [4:52:42, 4:52:46]: To medium, um whether it's um forty units or less. [4:52:47, 4:52:52]: All right. That's just my opinion. All right. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. Mr. Alexander, I believe you are next. [4:52:53, 4:53:13]: Let me just say this, okay. We we we Monarch Village has nine hundred homes in it. My subdivision has three hundred and something. Right now we're talking about fifty-six homes on this particular road. And uh in the end it's like it's gonna be up to the council. What are we gonna do? I mean, it's you know, we had these residents in here all day. [4:53:13, 4:53:33]: What are we going to do? I mean at this point we gotta make a decision on whether we're gonna go forward or not. It's uh up to the council to decide, as they said. The staff has already indicated this um the density rating should have been changed. I don't know what's taking so long. Should have been done by now, but we keep every hearing [4:53:33, 4:53:43]: It says the same thing. Our density is off. So I'm just the council's gonna have to make a decision on what we have right now. Mr. Nate Mr. Nason, go ahead, please, sir. [4:53:44, 4:54:04]: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um I just want to insert uh council members, Mr. Mayor, uh to take in strong consideration our request. Uh first and foremost, um we were not aware of these conditions when we were proceeding. Secondly, uh precedence has been [4:54:03, 4:54:20]: established in this district, which allows for town homes to be built, much larger numbers than what we're requesting. In addition, we are ensuring that we are putting in additional parking space in that community. [4:54:20, 4:54:24]: А ту інша толавфор гес парки. [4:54:24, 4:54:25]: And then lastly [4:54:25, 4:54:32]: Should the council decide against this uh this uh matter that is before you [4:54:33, 4:54:39]: It certainly will prejudice our overall project because what in essence would have happened is that the council [4:54:39, 4:54:43]: Would have shown uh preference towards a much larger project. [4:54:44, 4:54:57]: and then uh show some d uh uh deference a difference towards our project. I'll only ask the council to consider that should this be voted down, it certainly would put to rest our entire project. [4:54:57, 4:55:02]: And that therefore would put us right back into the same position we're in. [4:55:02, 4:55:08]: We're having to rent in a space that we don't know how long it's gonna take us before the city. [4:55:08, 4:55:15]: tells us we can no longer be there. At some point we're gonna have to build, but at this junction, we wouldn't have come this far. [4:55:15, 4:55:19]: Іф Плнер комісінерс динателлас та вигада Ливей. [4:55:20, 4:55:32]: We wish we'd have heard of that much early on, but I'm not laying any fault at anyone's feet, but I'm just saying that at this junction, I'd ask the counselor to strongly recommend our approval to allow us to go forward. [4:55:32, 4:55:52]: Listen, Bishop, I want to let Bishop I want to let you know. I I don't think you and I have ever met before. No, sir. No, yes. So otherwise, uh otherwise, uh this is the first time you and I met, at least for me in this aspect. So I just wanted that that to be known. Uh Mr. Blount, please. Mr. Mayor, may I say something? Go ahead, I'm sorry. Uh it was mentioned that I did talk to other members. [4:55:52, 4:55:58]: members. I I felt it was appropriate since I spoke to my um [4:55:58, 4:56:00]: My representative. [4:56:00, 4:56:10]: My intentions were, I wanted to learn what are your concerns? Right. I reached out, what are your concerns that you have that we can address? [4:56:10, 4:56:15]: If we can address it early enough, okay, but uh I did not talk to everyone. [4:56:15, 4:56:32]: I think I only spoke to maybe one or two and uh basically I listened, they listened, they made it quite clear that they can only listen and not offer any opinion. And what they had stated to me was basically what their concerns were in their district. [4:56:33, 4:56:36]: And that's that's all I can say on this point. Mr Blount, please. [4:56:36, 4:56:42]: Uh, Mayor, one of the things and I haven't been saying anything because one of the things I'm trying to do is be [4:56:42, 4:56:45]: Uh non bias as a licensed ordained minister. [4:56:46, 4:56:51]: I don't want to show any bias to this whole situation, so I sit back and I listen. [4:56:53, 4:56:54]: And once again [4:56:55, 4:56:59]: The district represent w first of all, let me correct something. [4:57:00, 4:57:07]: I've never talked to you before. No, sir. You and I have never talked. So to say that he's talked to all of us, it's not true. [4:57:08, 4:57:14]: But once again I sit here and I listen to compromise come from District Four. [4:57:15, 4:57:16]: Can you reduce it again? [4:57:17, 4:57:19]: Can you put a clubhouse in? [4:57:20, 4:57:21]: These are [4:57:21, 4:57:26]: We're voting if we vote on this. This is not the compromise phase. [4:57:26, 4:57:30]: But once again, there's a compromise for the developer. [4:57:31, 4:57:33]: Either for a project or you're not. [4:57:34, 4:57:38]: And I'm trying to let district four take the lead on this. [4:57:38, 4:57:44]: But district four is putting something before me saying there's a compromise. [4:57:44, 4:57:46]: To accept this project. [4:57:47, 4:58:05]: And that's where I'm at. Right now, if there's a compromise, then we need to move this forward and let them compromise whatever it is. Because you can't sit here and say one thing, I'm not for it, I'm not for it. But then you say, Well, hey, can you reduce it again? Can you put a clubhouse there? [4:58:06, 4:58:07]: What are you saying? [4:58:09, 4:58:11]: That's the kind of games I told you I'm not playing up here. [4:58:13, 4:58:14]: Mayor Ford. [4:58:15, 4:58:15]: Yes, ma'am. [4:58:16, 4:58:18]: Okay, to answer Councilman Blount. [4:58:19, 4:58:22]: All of these кондичs. [4:58:22, 4:58:26]: are things that I discuss with Pastor Nation. [4:58:27, 4:58:28]: prior to this meeting. [4:58:29, 4:58:30]: All these residents here. [4:58:31, 4:58:34]: I told them that Pastor Nation. [4:58:35, 4:58:37]: He wasn't willing to compromise on any of it. [4:58:38, 4:58:38]: None of it. [4:58:39, 4:58:41]: It wasn't until this meeting [4:58:42, 4:58:44]: Until right now. [4:58:44, 4:58:55]: that I'm hearing for the first time that they're willing to do a pool and clubhouse. In fact, the last time I spoke with Pastor Nation, I asked him if he would [4:58:55, 4:58:56]: We'll draw. [4:58:56, 4:59:02]: Or delay presenting his proposal so that we can begin continue. [4:59:02, 4:59:06]: our conversations in regards to this proposed development. [4:59:06, 4:59:11]: He told me he will rely on the rest of the council. [4:59:11, 4:59:15]: At that point it let me know he'd been talking with them. [4:59:15, 4:59:17]: He knows he only needs three votes. [4:59:18, 4:59:19]: He doesn't eat mine. [4:59:20, 4:59:21]: He doesn't need mine. [4:59:21, 4:59:24]: I would hope that you would want to work with me. [4:59:25, 4:59:29]: Work with me because I represent all of these people who showed up here today. [4:59:29, 4:59:33]: They have concerns that I have a responsibility of d addressing. [4:59:34, 4:59:36]: The safety concerns. I address that. [4:59:38, 4:59:51]: Not just a pool in the clubhouse. I addressed the high density as well. I asked about single family detached homes. I believe it's more suitable for the area. They're not willing to do that. [4:59:53, 4:59:55]: They want townhomes instead. [4:59:55, 4:59:57]: So I don't know what more I could do. [4:59:58, 5:00:03]: Other than not to vote on this, not to support it, and ask my councilmates not to support it either. [5:00:04, 5:00:07]: I would suggest that mister Nation [5:00:07, 5:00:08]: And the developer. [5:00:10, 5:00:17]: Continue the discussions with me and the community on what they would like to see in this community. That's all. [5:00:18, 5:00:30]: Mayor. Yeah, go ahead, sir. I hope the council we had plenty of discussion. It's ten thirty. We've been going through this back and forth. I think we just really need to make a decision at this point. [5:00:30, 5:00:50]: I'm gonna once again make a mo make the exact same motion that I made earlier that the clerk has. We certainly will look at some the amenities again, as you have said. You have some concerns about that. So I would make a motion to move forward with this uh comp plan amendment because the staff has [5:00:50, 5:00:57]: Indicated to us earlier that there's a gap that needs to be adjusted in the comprehensive plan. [5:00:59, 5:01:00]: Is there a second to the motion? [5:01:02, 5:01:04]: Is there a second to the motion? [5:01:05, 5:01:08]: Mayor, I'm sorry. I want a second, but I wanted to [5:01:09, 5:01:23]: improve uh uh I mean I want the recommendation approval with staff's conditions plus the added one condition the applicant hold whatever they said in the community. But if we already done it as right, including staff recommendation as described by Miss Gantt. [5:01:25, 5:01:32]: Okay, so that do you uh uh there's a second? I second. Okay. And I would say, uh, Madam Clerk, you have all that written down properly? [5:01:39, 5:01:40]: It's so uh [5:01:40, 5:01:41]: Okay, we'll scratch it. [5:01:42, 5:01:45]: Just second. That's correct. That's correct. [5:01:48, 5:02:05]: I want to make the motion and then uh to approve what staff has recommended uh with the with the because we're only voting on the uh comp plan amendment. Correct. Is there a second to the motion? I second that. Okay. Now we've done on plenty of discussion. All favor of the motion, please indicate. [5:02:06, 5:02:26]: Okay, all opposed. Okay, four one motion passed. We'll go on to the next item. Four one, the motion passes. All right. Rezoning cases RZ two zero two three-zero one, council district four. Consation consideration of a request of rezoning to assign NFR, uh, multifamily residential zoning district two. [5:02:26, 5:02:46]: Parcel twenty zero two nine-010901 on Valley Hill Road to allow for construction of the town hall development. The applicant of Victory's uh worship center, represented by Keith G. Nation, the property located on Lion Lot 103 of District 12, and it can it contains seven uh [5:02:46, 5:03:06]: Um seven point eight four uh excuse me, seven point eight six four acres within the Stockbridge City limits. The Planning Commission recommended approval with the staff's conditions, plus they added one condition that the applicant hold community meetings prior to twelfth of June, council meeting, and the applicant held that meeting on Monday, June fifth. And [5:03:06, 5:03:09]: Mm-hmm. [5:03:10, 5:03:26]: Yes, so this item is for the rezoning case for the fifty-six townhomes on seven point eight six acres. Um the recommendation as was stated by the mayor was approved by uh recommended recommended for approval by staff and by the planning commission. [5:03:28, 5:03:28]: Okay. [5:03:29, 5:03:30]: Counseling questions. [5:03:32, 5:03:36]: I would imagine we probably had enough, but anyway. A questions? [5:03:38, 5:03:41]: Okay. Then if no questions, council, I need a motion. [5:03:41, 5:03:45]: It's a public hearing. We would need to open it up. [5:03:46, 5:03:50]: Okay, let's blame it on the time. What time is it? Ten thirty four. All right. [5:03:51, 5:03:54]: Oh public hearing. All right. So we'll start on my left side, my very left side. [5:03:55, 5:04:00]: Uh uh any comments for for this? Any comments for on my left side? [5:04:01, 5:04:02]: Any comments four in the middle? [5:04:03, 5:04:05]: Any comments for on my right side. [5:04:07, 5:04:26]: Seeing none. Any comments against this on my left side? Any comments against this in the middle? Please line up on this on my left side, please. Any comments in the middle? Any comments on the right against this proposal? All right. So it seems like we have two gentlemen. All right. Three minutes to get. [5:04:27, 5:04:28]: I'm sorry. [5:04:32, 5:04:35]: A sorry clerk? Okay. [5:04:43, 5:04:45]: Okay, name and address please. [5:04:47, 5:05:07]: Randall Eck, four hundred thirteen Cannonball Court, Stockbridge, Georgia, Valley Hill Station Subdivision. Against the rezoning efforts on this property, again, we do not need high density residential area next to our subdivision, which is all [5:05:07, 5:05:15]: Currently, single-family homes. We've seen the possibility of. [5:05:16, 5:05:23]: You could have multiple fam if you have a s if it's a supposed to be a single family townhouse. [5:05:24, 5:05:27]: And you have a four bedroom home. [5:05:28, 5:05:35]: What is going to prevent somebody from moving in three additional families? [5:05:35, 5:05:55]: You've now you you've used up your four bedrooms, but you've got more than a single family in the unit. Uh that is going over and above what is slated as the density. Um again, the high density of rezoning for this area. [5:05:55, 5:06:00]: There's too many concerns for this to go forward. Thank you. [5:06:01, 5:06:05]: Thank you, sir. Next, sir, please. Name and address. [5:06:06, 5:06:07]: Three minutes, right? [5:06:07, 5:06:08]: Uh [5:06:09, 5:06:18]: When we did the Zoom call, we talked Sorry, did you do the name and address, sir? Sir? Name and address, please. Oh, Remy King one twelve Valley Dale Drive for now. Stop breach three oh two eight one. [5:06:18, 5:06:22]: When we did the Zoom call, we talked about the homeowners association. [5:06:22, 5:06:23]: The park. [5:06:23, 5:06:25]: The picnic table. [5:06:25, 5:06:29]: Uh the gazebo, we ask about a townhouse, a swimming pool. [5:06:31, 5:06:33]: The developer. We don't have room. [5:06:33, 5:06:34]: For a poo. [5:06:34, 5:06:36]: We don't have room. [5:06:36, 5:06:40]: for a a clubhouse. We don't have room for another. [5:06:41, 5:06:41]: Park. [5:06:42, 5:06:46]: We don't have room because of the number of townhomes they're putting in there. [5:06:47, 5:06:54]: Now they're gonna have a park, they're gonna have a clubhouse, they're gonna have a pool, another walking trail. [5:06:54, 5:06:58]: And who knows what else they're gonna wanna give away to get you guys to approve it. [5:06:58, 5:06:59]: So [5:07:00, 5:07:01]: Where are they gonna put the town homes? [5:07:02, 5:07:05]: Where they gonna put this pool? Where are they gonna put the town home? [5:07:05, 5:07:07]: I mean the pool, the clubhouse. Where they gonna put all this? [5:07:08, 5:07:11]: During the Zoom call they couldn't do it because there wasn't enough room. [5:07:11, 5:07:12]: So [5:07:13, 5:07:14]: It's a moot point now. [5:07:15, 5:07:16]: You can only get so much [5:07:17, 5:07:18]: Stuff in an area. [5:07:19, 5:07:25]: And it doesn't seem like there's gonna be enough room for all the stuff they done volunteered to give away tonight. In the Zoom call. [5:07:26, 5:07:27]: We talked about that. [5:07:28, 5:07:33]: And we couldn't get a answer from'em. And then when they gave us the answer, it is totally, absolutely different. [5:07:35, 5:07:36]: From what they're saying tonight. [5:07:37, 5:07:38]: There was no compromise. [5:07:42, 5:07:42]: It [5:07:44, 5:07:48]: Well, I'm sure y'all are gonna give him twenty or thirty minutes to get up here and talk, so I'm through with it. Thank you. Thank you. [5:07:49, 5:07:50]: Come on, man. [5:07:52, 5:07:53]: The name and address, please. [5:07:54, 5:08:00]: Jennifer Etheridge, four twelve Cannonball Court, Startbridge, Georgia. I just want to say again that [5:08:00, 5:08:03]: А фінк диспроєкт із врон і що напас. [5:08:04, 5:08:08]: Um, I want to say thank you so much for our district four representative for. [5:08:08, 5:08:11]: being there for us and explaining everything to us. [5:08:12, 5:08:13]: I hope I'm wrong. [5:08:14, 5:08:14]: But [5:08:15, 5:08:19]: I just do not see that this development will be a positive. [5:08:19, 5:08:31]: for our county and for this city. I've only been a resident of the city for about five months now and I'm so disappointed in what I've already experienced. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. [5:08:31, 5:08:36]: Uh Miss Um Carter, may you come back to the podium please? [5:08:39, 5:08:54]: And as she comes back, counselor, any other questions, concerns you may have for her? Oh but I'm uh by the way, cl uh public hearing is closed. I'm sorry, public hearing is now closed. Um any questions or c other concerns you may have for Miss Barber uh Miss uh Carter before I ask for a [5:08:55, 5:08:55]: Motion. [5:08:56, 5:09:00]: Yes. Um Miss Carter, can you confirm what is it? [5:09:01, 5:09:05]: What variance is it that the applicant is seeking? Is it thirty feet or twenty-five feet? [5:09:06, 5:09:13]: Uh it's twenty five feet. Uh that's the next item. That's the variance. The next item? Yes, ma'am. Okay, thank you. [5:09:13, 5:09:18]: So if there are no other questions for Miss Carter, I need a motion to accept this rezoning case. [5:09:23, 5:09:41]: Ms. Clerk, you have uh captured uh the previous the previous um conditions uh that I made along with the conditions that were made by staff and as outlined miss by Miss Gantt as well. [5:09:47, 5:10:01]: We're gonna we're gonna well since I think uh the developer made a strong argument. Uh certainly I would like m mu most every development would have a pool Mr Nation and the developer need to come back attached to it. [5:10:02, 5:10:04]: But under these circumstances, um [5:10:05, 5:10:15]: Uh we uh there's been that there there would be a a burden with so few units under fifty. So we'll move remove the requirement for the pool. [5:10:18, 5:10:18]: Yes. [5:10:29, 5:10:30]: Ten foot path. [5:10:35, 5:10:41]: On the frontage, right. Along the entire frontage. Yeah. Along the entire frontage. [5:10:48, 5:10:50]: You got the ten percent rental cap there, correct? [5:10:54, 5:11:05]: Right. Those are all the conditions then we just we just took the pool out, correct? In addition to staff recommendation. In addition to staff's recommendation. And then I think you had read something, Miss Ken, as well. [5:11:05, 5:11:20]: Um no, well that was it, the staff recommendations. That's recommendations. Staff staff conditions. Okay the other part had already been met, the meeting on June twelfth. Okay. I mean the June fifth. Thank you so much. We got everything you so that's my motion. [5:11:21, 5:11:23]: All right. So seconds and a motion. [5:11:25, 5:11:29]: A second. Okay, Miss Gantt seconds that. All flavor please indicate. [5:11:31, 5:11:34]: Opposed. Four one. Motion passed. [5:11:38, 5:11:58]: All right. And on to the variance case. RV two zero two three-01 Council District 4. Consideration of a request for a variance of Parcel 029-01009001 on Valley Consider Valley Hill. Consideration of the request. [5:11:58, 5:12:18]: Request for the variance, so I'm on Ford, Valley Hill Road, excuse me. My eyes are going crazy now. To to allow for the construction of a town home development. The purpose of the variance is to allow the reduction in the frontiers yard setbacks from required 50 feet to 25 feet in the MFR Multifamily Residential Zoning District. [5:12:18, 5:12:38]: The property is located in land lot 103 of District 12 and it contains 7.864 acres within the city limits stop bridge. And the Planning Commission recommended approval with the staff's conditions, plus they added one condition that the applicant hold a public meeting prior to the 12 June council meeting. [5:12:38, 5:12:38]: Okay. [5:12:39, 5:12:45]: And uh the applicant up upheld that meeting uh on that held that meeting on Monday, June fifth. [5:12:45, 5:12:47]: Uh Ms. Carter, please. [5:12:47, 5:13:07]: Yes, this is uh the variance item to accompany the uh previous um two items um for a reduction in the front yard setback from fifty feet to twenty-five feet uh for the multifamily uh buildings. And as you can see from the uh diagram, um they're they're [5:13:07, 5:13:13]: They're proposing their pond to be their retention pond to be right abutting val Valley Hill Road. [5:13:13, 5:13:20]: Um so yes the staff has recommended approval along with the recommendation from the planning commission for approval. [5:13:20, 5:13:37]: Mayor. Yep. I can't approve that. I'm sorry. And that me if that means reducing the amount of houses and units, so be it. Um I've seen examples. Even the picture that was shown, I don't care if it was twenty feet, five feet more wouldn't made a big difference. [5:13:37, 5:13:40]: In that driveway. It's not a shared driveway, by the way. [5:13:40, 5:13:44]: Right. It it's just a driveway for that particular [5:13:44, 5:14:00]: th to go into that garage. Two car two car garage. But when you consider a family of three to four bedrooms, townhomes, you want more space. And that being twenty five feet would be right at the end of that road. It'd be a short vi too short of a driveway for me. [5:14:01, 5:14:05]: And I couldn't agree with that. I have seen it at Broader Farms. I mean [5:14:05, 5:14:10]: And I don't agree w and and that's in the county, again, it's not in the city. I do not [5:14:10, 5:14:17]: agree with that at all. And so if that means that they can't get their fifty six units on that, so be it. [5:14:18, 5:14:22]: Бамна, а воно бин про дан. А кін ари. [5:14:23, 5:14:29]: to maybe less it a little bit from fifty feet, I could see, but you're talking about a three to four bedroom home. [5:14:30, 5:14:32]: So potential of four cars. [5:14:32, 5:14:42]: In a in a lot. Um I would I'm willing to do what what number is it? What? What number are you suggesting thirty seven? Um I'm willing to thirty five. Um thirty seven. [5:14:42, 5:14:45]: That's half of fifty. Twenty five. [5:14:45, 5:14:47]: I'm willing to do thirty seven feet. [5:14:48, 5:14:52]: Max minimum. And I I can't even say that. I could do maybe forty. [5:14:53, 5:15:10]: But I can't do uh maybe forty feet, but fifty is a no I mean a twenty-five is a no go for me. So whatever they need to do to build their project, so be it, but it's not gonna be with a twenty five foot driveway m for me on me. Okay. Mr. Thomas, please. Right. Um [5:15:10, 5:15:18]: W one of the problem that exists right now uh in subdivision is is parking on the street. [5:15:19, 5:15:23]: And my concern with any future development is to make sure [5:15:24, 5:15:34]: that we eliminate this particular problem, parking in the street. And from the rendering that I saw earlier, and I don't know what size car that was, but [5:15:34, 5:15:54]: um the nose of the car was pretty much in the street then. So I can imagine if you had a truck or whatever. And when you start talking about garages, a lot of homeowners they pack stuff in their garage. They did. And they don't even put the cars in. So I'm agree with Mrs. Gannon on that. That that's already gonna be a problem right there. And again [5:15:54, 5:15:59]: Let me just emphasize we're trying to get away from the issue of parking in the street. [5:16:00, 5:16:15]: We can't go back and do anything with the old subdivision and and we get this outcry all the time. But in a new development, I think we really have to address that in few and right now we have to address that and for future going forward. [5:16:16, 5:16:28]: Yeah, but I had a question. Go ahead, sir. Because when you go from if you go from fifty feet to I I'm I'm just gonna throw a number out. If you go from fifty feet to thirty feet. [5:16:30, 5:16:36]: You're still only gonna have enough room to put two cars in front of the garage and two cars in the garage. [5:16:36, 5:16:39]: Brothers thirty seven, brothers thirty. [5:16:40, 5:17:00]: And that and and the one that we saw was twenty feet. That's why that car was parked going toward the sidewalks. And this is why twenty-five people did more of a setback in the driveway. If you go from twenty five to thirty feet, it's still gonna be two cars in the driveway. And that's the way town my my daughter in the town. [5:17:00, 5:17:00]: [19020.8, 19040.8]: That's where town homes are. They got two, but to have a two-car garage, you're gonna have two cars in the garage and two cars in the driveway. And a thirty twenty-five to thirty feet setbacks is gonna allow you to do that because if you go forward, you're still gonna have two cars in the driveway, two cars in the garage. [5:17:20, 5:17:24]: Okay. [5:17:25, 5:17:40]: section was closed. We're now in the discussions with the governing body. I'll be very brief and I'm gonna let Mr. Fatima say something. And before you answer the question. Again, the reason why we had that presentation [5:17:40, 5:17:44]: Без видина в ван, со да індевої фіт. [5:17:45, 5:17:47]: But our proposal is for twenty five. [5:17:47, 5:17:48]: The longest [5:17:49, 5:17:52]: Car is about eighteen feet long. [5:17:52, 5:17:57]: And you can park a car in twenty five feet. The longest truck is about eighteen feet long. [5:17:58, 5:18:11]: As mentioned, uh we have adequate parking space added to what we currently have, increase. It says right here in our what we were trying to follow, it says here, um [5:18:11, 5:18:21]: The minimum front yard setback twenty-five feet. This is what we're going by. And not only that, there was an approval in the same district for twenty-five feet. [5:18:22, 5:18:27]: And thus I asked the council to consider the fact that precedence has been established. [5:18:28, 5:18:48]: And to go back on that precedent seems somewhat prejudicial towards our project. But I'm gonna let Mr. Fatimi uh he's willing to address the concerns of parking. I'm not sure if he's a developer, I'm not sure if he's willing to extend that, but I know that's gonna be a major problem. Step let him [5:18:48, 5:18:50]: [19131.2, 19147.0]: Yes, sir. Thank you, Mayor. Uh fifty feet as it is right now, you're talking about three or four cars lined up together, six cars, uh before in front of the garage. That's that's really too much. Just building a [5:19:07, 5:19:08]: Uh that much of a [5:19:09, 5:19:10]: конкрет [5:19:11, 5:19:12]: Час торс. [5:19:13, 5:19:15]: Іксед каст оделдин. [5:19:16, 5:19:18]: So that should be con considered. [5:19:18, 5:19:22]: Twenty five feet is a standard anywhere you go in city of Atlanta. [5:19:22, 5:19:37]: Actually to twenty feet is a standard, but twenty-five feet. We want to be in twenty-five feet because we want to put a five foot sidewalk, people can walk around it. That's why we we have it at twenty-five feet. But I'm willing to uh extend a little bit to twenty twenty-seven, twenty-eight feet. [5:19:38, 5:19:47]: Maximum so to we can not only people park but actually can walk around also. But twenty five feet is a standard anywhere in the city. [5:19:47, 5:19:49]: Ms. Barber, go ahead please. I'm sorry. [5:19:49, 5:19:53]: Um, I just wanna ask Pastor Nation and maybe he misspoke. [5:19:53, 5:19:56]: When he called me on Friday specifically [5:19:56, 5:19:59]: Specifically, you called me on Friday. [5:19:59, 5:20:03]: to let me know that the variance that you all are seeking was thirty feet. [5:20:05, 5:20:05]: Yeah. [5:20:05, 5:20:20]: May I clarify that? Yes, please. There was a little bit of confusion on my part. I didn't have my notes before me. What I stated at that particular time was that when the developer, and I was not present, what I was informed that the developer and the architect had a discussion. [5:20:20, 5:20:24]: What I understood is that the developer wanted twenty feet. [5:20:25, 5:20:27]: The architect wanted thirty feet. [5:20:28, 5:20:33]: Um, but there was a compromise, and when we learned that twenty five feet was approved. [5:20:34, 5:20:52]: Between these two gentlemen to decide, okay, if it's twenty-five feet, we'll go with twenty-five feet. But what I stated to you earlier, I thought that we were going to we had it agreed for 30 feet. I misspoke. What I really meant to say is that initially there was some consideration for 30 feet. [5:20:53, 5:21:02]: Only because there was some compromise the two gentlemen came together decided for twenty five feet. Okay, everybody else seems to be compromising, but nobody's compromising with me. [5:21:03, 5:21:05]: The representative of the area. [5:21:06, 5:21:10]: The voice of the people who live in the area. I will say it again. [5:21:10, 5:21:15]: You are only constructing three and four bedroom townhomes. [5:21:17, 5:21:20]: It would be different if these were one and two bedrooms. [5:21:21, 5:21:23]: And having the twenty five feet variance. [5:21:24, 5:21:26]: With one and two bedrooms. [5:21:27, 5:21:29]: But you're proposing three and four bedrooms. [5:21:30, 5:21:32]: That could be three or four adults. [5:21:34, 5:21:38]: And plus their guest is not adequate parking. [5:21:38, 5:21:40]: And I do not want. [5:21:41, 5:21:42]: A community. [5:21:42, 5:21:43]: Approved in [5:21:44, 5:21:48]: The district that I represent to have concerns with parking on the streets. [5:21:49, 5:21:50]: But this council [5:21:51, 5:21:52]: They've already set the precedence. [5:21:53, 5:22:04]: by approving the high density development on Davis Road. They're gonna do the same thing with this one, with a twenty five feet variance in which cars are gonna be parked on the street [5:22:04, 5:22:07]: Cars are gonna be parked in the driveway. [5:22:07, 5:22:09]: Blocking even the sidewalk. [5:22:09, 5:22:16]: I do not support a 25 feet variance. I don't support a 30 feet variance. This is a high density development. [5:22:17, 5:22:23]: In which you are pup Sir, we're in the middle of council discussions. Now the mayor has allowed you to speak, but [5:22:23, 5:22:26]: Let me finish my thoughts if you don't mind. [5:22:28, 5:22:30]: These are three and four bedroom townhomes. [5:22:31, 5:22:32]: Only [5:22:33, 5:22:38]: I do not support any twenty five feet variance, not even a thirty feet variance. [5:22:39, 5:22:42]: Not for this particular development. It's high density. [5:22:43, 5:22:44]: And [5:22:46, 5:22:46]: You haven't [5:22:47, 5:22:48]: Can you show again? [5:22:49, 5:22:52]: Um where the parking excess parking is. [5:22:52, 5:23:04]: And I'm not making anything up. He obviously every single issue that I tried to address with the pastor prior to our meetings, he has told me contrary. [5:23:05, 5:23:10]: Complete opposite. Now we get here and he is willing to compromise with everybody. [5:23:10, 5:23:13]: other than me. He's addressing everybody but me. [5:23:13, 5:23:26]: So I'm gonna ask him, can you identify uh where those extra parking spaces are for guests who are parking? Council member. If you can address where the parking spaces are. [5:23:26, 5:23:46]: For the the guests who'll be parking here. Yeah. Can't you please just identify where the additional parking spaces are? I'd guess parking. Council member, may I just say this please? Ryan, if it will be helpful. [5:23:46, 5:24:06]: That's all I want. Council member. No, sir. Let him all I want is for subject. Are you are you only willing to uh do thirty feet? Okay, may I say this for the first time? Make a motion. I'd like to make a motion. Call the question. Call the question. All right. Call the question. [5:24:06, 5:24:26]: That is a formal request to call the question. All right, understand. We can do that. This is what you call a second for somebody to call the question. Is there a motion to be made this time? Yes, I'd like to make a motion that we accept 30 feet for the second. Second. Okay, but they start mo the front to uh Mr. Alexander. All in favor of 30 feet, please indicate. All right. All opposed. [5:24:26, 5:24:33]: Okay, four one thirty feet it is. It is a public hearing. We did not open it up for public hearing. [5:24:33, 5:24:42]: Once again, three times tonight. All right. Good point. Thank you for keeping me straight. Public hearing. Yeah, I am considered. Yes, sir. Yes, ma'am. [5:24:42, 5:24:43]: Lord. [5:24:44, 5:24:45]: Screw me down. [5:24:46, 5:24:59]: Yeah, no no no it's gotta be notified. It's gotta be notified. I'm sorry. Any any questions any uh comments uh for uh the reduction here? Uh any comments for the reduction in my far left, in the middle. [5:25:01, 5:25:03]: Anything for reduction? [5:25:05, 5:25:06]: Here on my far right. [5:25:09, 5:25:14]: I s I the I the motion is what what it was the [5:25:17, 5:25:19]: For fifty feet, right. For fifty right. [5:25:19, 5:25:23]: The setback you are fifty feet to two twenty five feet. So otherwise [5:25:23, 5:25:30]: I gotta go through a public hearing proper hearing process. So [5:25:30, 5:25:43]: For to the mo to the mo so the public foot hearing once again, for on anybody on the left side, for the reduction from fifty feet to twenty five feet if you wanna speak for it. If you wanna speak to it on on the left on the very left side, in the middle. [5:25:44, 5:25:44]: Okay. [5:25:45, 5:25:48]: On the far right side, or anybody against the reduction. [5:25:49, 5:25:53]: Okay, up from for left side. My left side, in the middle. All right. [5:25:54, 5:26:14]: I'm off all right. Okay. Now, sir, please, if you if oh, please state your name and and address, please. You're gonna get used to me. Randall Eck, 413 Cannonball Court, Stockbridge, Georgia, right here in Valley Hill Station. I oppose the variance of did you say four? [5:26:13, 5:26:33]: Forty feet, sir? Yes, it's the the it says here fifty feet to twenty five is a but then you just have a no no you no this based on I'm sorry. It's based on this. Okay, based based upon the variance request to a twenty five foot uh setback. Totally against that. You've already seen in [5:26:33, 5:26:41]: supposed diagrams where cars are already sitting out beyond the sidewalk. [5:26:41, 5:27:01]: In Valley Hill Station, we're I think we're a 50-foot setback. I have a two-car garage, I have a two-car wide driveway, and in the driveway I can probably put six vehicles. These townhomes, if you reduce the setback. [5:27:01, 5:27:13]: You then if you have let's say you have four people in the house and you have four vehicles, now that you got two in the garage, two in the driveway. [5:27:13, 5:27:33]: Where are the guests going to be? They're going to be in the street. They should be off the street because that's going to be a safety concern for emergency vehicles and everything. So that you need to be able to keep those vehicles in the driveway. So keep the 50-foot setback, please. [5:27:33, 5:27:37]: Thank you. Thank you for the comments. All right. Public comments have now ended. [5:27:37, 5:27:45]: Yeah, for and against now ended. We ha got all that straight. Now I need a motion for the variance case. Um looking for a motion, please. [5:27:45, 5:27:47]: Two what is the motion? [5:27:48, 5:27:49]: Excuse me. [5:27:50, 5:27:53]: It doesn't right doesn't know the what was just. [5:27:54, 5:27:54]: Yeah. [5:27:55, 5:28:06]: Well Well w we well if well I need a I need a a motion one way to approve it or adjust it or whatever the case may be. We need to go [5:28:06, 5:28:11]: No, no, no, we we did it out of order. We we did it out of order. Mayor Ford, I'd like to make a motion. We do it. [5:28:11, 5:28:29]: What's your motion? My motion is to deny the applicant's request to um for the variance of twenty five feet. All right, is your second air this time I would ask because of the controversy that we have we make these motions that we rephrase most of it. We have positive points and we don't have that confusion about what the up or down vote is for. [5:28:30, 5:28:31]: All right. [5:28:32, 5:28:36]: That's fine, but she made a mo she made a motion. It may not get a second, so it may it may drop anyway. [5:28:37, 5:28:38]: But I understand your point. [5:28:39, 5:28:42]: So you made a motion to deny, is that correct? That's correct. Yes, sir. [5:28:43, 5:28:44]: Court of January Clarity. [5:28:49, 5:28:52]: A motion has is been made. Is there a second to the motion? [5:28:54, 5:28:55]: Is there a second to the motion? [5:28:57, 5:28:57]: Yes. [5:28:59, 5:29:02]: Okay, m no it's no s no seconds so the motion fails. I need another motion, please. [5:29:03, 5:29:16]: Yes, sir. I make a motion that we approve a thirty plus thirty foot setback uh on this variance instead of the twenty five as was approved as agreeable to the developer. Is that [5:29:16, 5:29:18]: All right, so second emotion. [5:29:19, 5:29:25]: I second. Ms. Ms. Gantt second. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. Okay, motion uh all opposed. [5:29:26, 5:29:29]: Okay, motion passed four to one. Fantastic. All right. [5:29:30, 5:29:47]: Uh Ms. Carter, thank you very much for keeping me straight. No worries. Okay, appreciate you. New business. Council consideration to approve economic development bricks, building a resilient, invalidated, invocated connected uh bridge uh star bridge. [5:29:48, 5:29:55]: This is the program guidelines. Funny source ARPA. Mr. Lawrence, please all day. [5:30:07, 5:30:08]: Yeah. [5:30:39, 5:30:41]: All right. Ms. Lance. [5:30:42, 5:30:47]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Good evening. Kim Alons, Director of Economic Development. [5:30:47, 5:30:50]: Ам дисвенні економік девелмент став. [5:30:52, 5:31:10]: is in front of you to discuss a number of initiatives that we're proposing uh for economic development. As always, I'd like to begin my presentation by talking about our vision, just to remember why we do what we do. Uh to be the most progressive business and family oriented community in Metro Atlanta. [5:31:11, 5:31:25]: My objective tonight is twofold. Uh first of all I would like to discuss where we are with some of the initiatives that we've been working on and at the same time ask for your consideration for approval for a number of programs that we're proposing. [5:31:28, 5:31:48]: As we all know, economic development marketing is a priority for our city, as identified in your council priorities. And we've been very strategic and collaborative in our effort to market the city. As such, we have hosted a brainstorming session with our partners, uh, with the Citywide Development Authority. [5:31:48, 5:32:08]: Downtown Development Authority, some key internal staff to discuss economic development for the city. As part of that effort, we're gonna be bringing to you within the next 90 days our uh proposed marketing campaign for the city. That would include digital marketing, advertising, tourism and publications. [5:32:11, 5:32:31]: Another key aspect of your uh priorities is making sure that we're implementing downtown development so that we can create a vibrant and viable downtown where people can leave work and play. And part of that is creating some items that provide a sense of place for our downtown area. One of the things that we're gonna [5:32:31, 5:32:42]: to be working on is a downtown banner program to provide opportunities for us to have content that is more evergreen and that we can use more durable and weatroof banners. [5:32:45, 5:32:53]: As we continue to develop downtown, it is important that we keep the momentum that we have now. We have a number of businesses that have opened within the last [5:32:53, 5:33:13]: 60 days or so. We want to encourage people to continue to come downtown. And one of the ways that we're proposing to do that is by lowering the cost of doing business in downtown. As such, we're proposing a downtown business assistance program, which would provide opportunities for retail and service businesses to get up to 20,000 to purchase. [5:33:13, 5:33:25]: as capital equipment, interior improvements, marketing, rent abatement, and certain impact fees. And the program guidelines were provided in your packet. If you have questions, I will be more than happy to answer them. [5:33:28, 5:33:48]: As we continue to promote what we do in downtown and for the city as a whole, we are looking at the office that we have currently. Uh the the office that you have graciously provided funding to uh create an office for our economic development. We have [5:33:48, 5:34:08]: Main Street, the DDA meets there, and the Main Street program meets there as well. We still need to complete some items so that we can be uh ready to open to the public and we're completing those as we speak. And we'll be launching a We Are Open campaign to let people know that we are here for them and that they can come to this. [5:34:08, 5:34:12]: downtown connection center and connect with our programs and initiatives. [5:34:15, 5:34:35]: Again, as we continue to build a viable and vibrant downtown, it is important now that we have a few businesses that have open that we can create food traffic for them because that is going to be necessary to keep them open. And this Saturday we attended a retreat done by uh the Main Street program. [5:34:35, 5:34:55]: Program and the DDA. And one of the things that we've learned from our counterpart in the city of Tokoa is that they have about 271 events in their downtown. And the city actually puts on about just 30 events of that. What that says to us is if we are gonna continue to provide a vibrant downtown for people to [5:34:55, 5:34:55]: Yeah. [5:34:56, 5:35:16]: uh come and enjoy, we have to create partnership opportunities. And one way to do that is by supporting organizations that can come here and create those programs. And that's why we're proposing this downtown special events program that would provide up to 2,500 to eligible organizations to bring small scale events like parades. [5:35:16, 5:35:28]: runs, walks, block parties, fairs, festivals, and art exhibits to our downtown. The program would cover expenses such as marketing, promotion, equipment rental, city fees, and security details. [5:35:31, 5:35:51]: Also, as we talk about creating an environment that is inviting for uh businesses, residents, and people that we want to encourage to come to our city, beautification is going to be key. And one of the ways that we can accomplish that is by having a facade building improvement program. Right now, the downtown [5:35:51, 5:36:11]: Development authority has a facade program. What we're proposing here is to create a citywide facade program so that we can address the exterior of some of our buildings. This particular program would provide up to 10,000 or 50% of the cost of improvement, whichever is less. It will be awarded to a property owner or a tenant. [5:36:11, 5:36:18]: independent depending on the project. And the goal would be to have the agreement in place for two years. [5:36:21, 5:36:41]: I also want to thank the council for its support of beautification um and uh do not leader campaigns in the city of Stockbridge. Uh one of the things that we're we we're asked to do is to research ways that we can uh create a more uh comprehensive approach to uh [5:36:41, 5:37:01]: The way that we do beautification in the city. And we also ask to explore opportunities to get some of the efforts that we've been doing, whether it's threading events, whether it's do not leader campaigns or community cleanups, and get affiliated with the Keep America Beautiful and Keep Georgia beautiful. So our staff had [5:37:01, 5:37:11]: uh have had conversations with Keepia Beautiful Foundation on ways that we can do that. And what we're presenting to you today is to create a [5:37:11, 5:37:31]: Community program that would allow us to get the appropriate uh funding, whether it's donations and volunteers, to make sure that we can continue our efforts but also benefit from what it means to be part of the Keep Georgia Beautiful and Keep America Beautiful. So this particular Keep Stockbridge Beautiful. [5:37:31, 5:37:51]: Would be comprised of members that will be appointed by the city council. It would serve as a 501. We had conversations with, as I mentioned before, with Keepia Beautiful and some affiliates of Keep Georgia Beautiful. And what we found is that the hybrid model of having a 501c3 open. [5:37:51, 5:38:08]: the doors because it allows you to be able to collect donations from businesses that may support the efforts. Also, they have adopt assigned programs or adopt a street or neighborhood. If you have the 501c3, it makes that possible as well. [5:38:09, 5:38:26]: Some of the activities that this group would do would include community cleanups, shredding events, do not leader campaigns, recycling and other beautification projects, which we have already been doing. It's just a matter of putting it together and providing it a community effort and a comprehensive approach. [5:38:30, 5:38:50]: Uh public arts program. Um we've completed a few projects, including this mural, which is very famous actually. It was part of um a slideshow that was presented at the National Main Street Conference in Boston this year. And we want to continue to build on some of the art projects that we've done. As such, we're [5:38:50, 5:39:10]: proposing this uh public arts program so that we can continue to implement some of the uh art projects that have been identified in the RSVP plan. And um those projects would include murals, uh utility box wraps or traffic signal art underpass uh underpass art project and other creative placemaking initiatives. [5:39:15, 5:39:35]: In May, as part of National Small Business Week, we hosted the uh National Small Business Meet and Greet. We had a great turnout, and as part of that conversation, uh we were asked, you know, what can we do to create a group where business owners can come together, network, and provide peer-to-peer. [5:39:35, 5:39:55]: To peer business opportunities. And I know that the city has had two iterations of a business group prior to me coming on board. And we've done the research, we've talked to staff about what worked and what didn't work. What you have in front of you today is the proposal to create what we would call a [5:39:54, 5:40:14]: Stockbridge Business Partnership. This particular program would be city-run for now until we can get it to a point where the leadership can uh take it on its own, and that particular group would be uh self-sufficient. What we're proposing is a seven-member board that would serve as an advisory board, and that will be uh [5:40:14, 5:40:34]: Actually appointed by city council. The goal of this particular group would be to provide benefits to their members, such as business mixers, quarterly luncheons, small business expos, awards, and recognition, and also partnership marketing opportunities. We've also talked to Enry County Chamber of Commerce. [5:40:34, 5:40:41]: to try to find ways that we can partner together so that we can work on some of the programming for this particular group. [5:40:44, 5:41:04]: One of the things that we've been discussing is finding ways to uh nurture entrepreneurship in our city and finding ways to encourage um folks to uh attend training, whether it is related to uh financial management or operations or marketing. And one of the ways that we want to do that is by [5:41:04, 5:41:15]: partnering with some of our um partners. The uh Georgia is the University of Georgia S B D C at Clayton State, the Henry County Chamber of Commerce, and we are also [5:41:15, 5:41:35]: Now, a part of Kaufman Fast Track, which is an entrepreneurship program. Staff will be undergoing training in the upcoming months on how to best assist people who are looking to launch an idea. [5:41:35, 5:41:40]: find ways to make ac capital more accessible to some of our businesses. [5:41:42, 5:42:02]: Another initiative that we're working on that would come um sometime uh probably next year, based on where we are with our conversations, is to create a culture that uh invites people to go out and and dine in our um city. So we're working on uh something that we'd call a Stowbridge Restaurant Week and we [5:42:02, 5:42:13]: We have a partner that we're working on and discussing how we can incorporate um rewards into that program so that we can encourage people to go out and um dine out in our city. [5:42:14, 5:42:33]: This uh project you're familiar with, uh we're working on the Stockbridge Wayfinding Plan. Right now we are in the process of talking to uh Sky Design to try to finalize some of the specifications that will be used as part of the procurement process so that we can go ahead and select a fabricator. So more to come on that. [5:42:35, 5:42:55]: The last project I will discuss is the Upskill Stockbridge Program. And one of your council priorities is to increase workforce development by enhancing job readiness of residents through strategic partnerships. We are working with Southern Crescent Technical College to offer some training programs. [5:42:55, 5:43:15]: Programs that we can encourage our residents to seek. And these programs are all identified by the state as industry and high demand programs: Allied health, automotive technology, aviation, computer technology, early childhood education, electrical alignment, technology technology. [5:43:15, 5:43:35]: Mechatronics technology and movie production. This particular program would provide up to$1,000 in the stipend for successfully completing a certificate. Most of the certificates are either one-term or two-terms. For a one-term certificate, a citizen would receive a resident of stock. [5:43:35, 5:43:42]: Dogbridge would receive$500, and for two-term programs, it would receive up to a thousand. [5:43:43, 5:43:48]: And this particular program again would be done in partnership with Southern Crescent Technical College. [5:43:50, 5:43:54]: With that being said, I'll be more than happy to take any questions that you may have. [5:43:54, 5:44:14]: Yeah, I have a couple here for you, uh, Mr. Lance. The small, the Strawberries Business Business Partnership, and maybe I might have missed this. You talk about uh uh membership of advisory board, seven-person board. I'm assuming that this is something that's already been advertised where people can can uh can actually apply for this, or is this something that we we we the council [5:44:14, 5:44:34]: So we're going to uh submit names or this something that the people can automatically just uh submit applications and then we select from that point. Sure. I'll be more than happy to address that. The first step is to actually um get your feedback on that this particular group. And once we uh we've [5:44:34, 5:44:54]: We've done that. Our goal is to um go ahead and start talking about a communication plan and what would be included as part of communication plan. I understand that we're creating a number of programs and initiatives and our businesses need to be aware of them. A couple of ways that we're gonna do that, we're launching a business newsletter. As a matter of fact, the first one it will go out. [5:44:54, 5:45:14]: This um this week. And at the same time, we want to make sure that we are addressing some of the questions that they may have. So, what we've been discussing is to actually host a virtual info session so that we can work through some of the programs that we're creating, the guidelines, the requirements so that people are aware. As it relates to the [5:45:14, 5:45:34]: The Stockbridge Business Partnership specifically, what we'll do is host an interest meeting so that businesses who are interested to get more information about this particular program, they can come to and ask questions and talk about the benefits. Once we do that, then we will ask people, you know, are you interested in becoming a member? If yes, there will be a process. [5:45:33, 5:45:45]: for that. And then once we get the interest list, the initial board would have to be nominated by city council. Then we will bring uh those names to you all for approval. [5:45:46, 5:46:06]: Thank you. The Stockbridge Entrepreneurship Program. It sounds like a like an incubator type of program in a sense is that what we're looking at here in conjunction with the Henry County Chamber, because they actually have a cell, incubator s sale per se, right there at the Chamber of Commerce that they're trying to work with small businesses. I'm assuming this is similar or the same concept. [5:46:06, 5:46:26]: So our approach to entrepreneurship is is going to be very comprehensive. And that includes partnership with Henry County, with the business resource center that they have. And that would also include providing access to capital and making sure that we are able to provide training. So uh we're work we're working with a number of organizations, and as I mentioned before, Kaufman faculty. [5:46:26, 5:46:35]: Track is one of them. Our staff will be going to training. So entrepreneurship can be addressed on multiple fronts, and definitely working with Enry County is one way to do that. [5:46:36, 5:46:47]: The last question I have for you, this Stockbridge Restaurant Week rewards, I think you mentioned that you w wanna start this next year. Yes. Can we start start this a little earlier than next year? [5:46:47, 5:47:07]: Because of uh if if it is the uh pleasure of of city council, we'll be more than happy to do that. However, I would like to say because of where we are in the process and the time that it needs to really create and promote and get buy-in from the businesses and educate um our residents, we think that it would be uh best to launch that next. [5:47:07, 5:47:24]: next year. And also we have um in some months where things are slow in in the county in terms of tourism and in terms of sales for our speciality industry partners. So we want to make sure that we're timing it right so that way they can um best take advantage of it. [5:47:24, 5:47:44]: All right, I'm I'm that's my all my questions. Um uh Mr. Thomas, go ahead please. Yes. Uh Mr. Alonce, uh I really do like this uh initiative um in your department. I I did read it uh extensively and you and I had a conversation. I shared some information with you as well. Um and I do see the [5:47:45, 5:47:52]: uh potential for collaboration and you know involving you know citizens in this and that's what I really like about it. [5:47:55, 5:47:56]: Um [5:47:58, 5:48:15]: I I guess my concern, and I know you mentioned the funding source. I I guess my only concern is how how can we sustain this? Um and I guess uh the other question is what's available under the ARPA funds. [5:48:15, 5:48:26]: Uh but I do like this program, I do like this initiative and uh and I'm willing to support. Um I'm just a little concerned about how can we sustain this year in and year out. [5:48:29, 5:48:49]: And yes, we will be uh using ARPA funding um for this particular project. And as I've mentioned before, uh we've allocated um as part of the ARPA funding that City Council has graciously um provided for economic development, we'll be uh using some of it as seed funding for this particular program just to get it off the ground. [5:48:49, 5:49:04]: Making sure that um the initial expenses that will be uh associated with this are covered. Uh things like making sure the five one C three is registered properly, making sure that we we have the proper marketing materials to promote some of the first initiatives. [5:49:05, 5:49:20]: Any questions inside? I just want to make one statement. I certainly have removed my name from Keep Start Rich Beautiful. This program has nothing to do with anything that I have done in the past. This is a nine member board, it'll be run by the city, is that correct? [5:49:22, 5:49:25]: Yes. All right, thank you. [5:49:25, 5:49:26]: You have questions from the council? [5:49:27, 5:49:32]: I do have one very quick question. I wanted to know the [5:49:32, 5:49:33]: Arpa. [5:49:34, 5:49:49]: is the funding source for this. But I thought we already allocated all of our ARPA funds. This is one of those projects. Thank you. Can you tell me what the estimated cost for this? I know it's it's gonna be ongoing. [5:49:51, 5:50:11]: um for which particular project? Are you talking about all of our initiatives? Yes. So as a city manager um alluded to, we've alloc we've been allocated some funding for uh economic development and our goal is to um use that funding to kick start some of the [5:50:11, 5:50:31]: these projects. As you may have seen, we have a number of programs that we've created. And based on the number of applications that we get, we may use these funds by next year. At this time we would have to talk about how we can keep some of the programs that we have. [5:50:31, 5:50:35]: How much how much funding have we allocated for this project? [5:50:38, 5:50:58]: For uh the entire um initiatives that we uh have, we have about three hundred thousand for economic development. And um as I mentioned earlier, marketing is also part of it. So that's uh one project that will be fund funded through this um economic development at uh PowerPoint funding. [5:50:59, 5:50:59]: Thank you. [5:51:02, 5:51:04]: Any other questions from the council? [5:51:06, 5:51:17]: All right, so uh we do still have a quorum. Yeah, need a motion to accept uh to approve this particular economic development process uh as presented by Mr. Lance. [5:51:19, 5:51:20]: Yes, sir. [5:51:25, 5:51:26]: Okay, is there a second? [5:51:27, 5:51:30]: Mr. Blount Second, any further discussion? [5:51:30, 5:51:31]: Oh favorite police in the cake. [5:51:33, 5:51:35]: All right, thank you very much. It passes. [5:51:36, 5:51:37]: Thank you so much. Thank you. [5:51:40, 5:52:00]: Council consideration approved Maze Crossing Lift Station and Force Main Rehabilitation Project Change Order Number One. But all South Construction Incorporated Change Order Wood 1 replace the old Conyo's gravity sewer main, two, maze uh crossing lift station generator, three installation of the air release valve. [5:52:00, 5:52:18]: House on Willow Springs Force Main for installation of the razor ribbon on the fence and Mays Crossing Lift Station in the amount of three hundred forty-two thousand six hundred sixty-seven dollars and eighty cents. Funding source is Sploss, presented by Mr. Aaron and Brad Holzinger. Go ahead, please, gentlemen. [5:52:19, 5:52:39]: Yes, Ms. Mayor. Uh seven years ago when I came to the city of Stockbridge, one of the things we started was developing a capital improvement program for our water, sewer, and stormwater infrastructure. So this is a part of that program. And also as part of an agreement we had with EPD in reference to some sewer speech. [5:52:39, 5:52:59]: That we've addressed with one of them was the Smith Barnes sewer basin. We've completed that project with uh CDBG funded. So I'll let Brad speak to this. This is an area where we've had sewer spills in the past. We told EPD as part of our consent agreement with them that we would rec rectify this issue. So I'll let Brad speak to [5:52:58, 5:52:59]: Big onto. [5:53:00, 5:53:20]: Thank you, Mayor and Council. For hearing me, I'll be brief but thorough. All right, the uh replacement of the gravity sewer line down Old Conyers, that serves the high school, middle school, elementary school, and uh Lexington Park subdivision. Uh the part of the line [5:53:20, 5:53:40]: About six hundred feet in the line. It's one of the very few places in the city where the sewer line actually is exposed and in the air. So it's deteriorated over the past thirty years and actually has holes in it. So it needs to be replaced. The generator at Old Conyers, I mean it uh [5:53:40, 5:54:00]: Maze Crossing, that's the s uh pump station behind Maze Crossing shopping center, and we just finished the completion of that. But the generator we were hoping we could make it work, the one that was there, and it's just not gonna get it. It's just it's too old. So that needs to be replaced. [5:54:00, 5:54:20]: The uh air release valves are coming out of Willow Springs force main and reason we're not doing it ourselves is because the lamp where it screws into the force main, it's deteriorated and if it you know when you go to taking something out that's been in sewer, it's rusted, you could get into more than we can. [5:54:20, 5:54:31]: we we can handle. So we're gonna let uh contractor do that and just need some ra uh razor wire around the pump station at Mays Cross and the new pump station. [5:54:32, 5:54:35]: Okay, question. Excuse me, sir. [5:54:36, 5:54:50]: No well well I'm I wanna know if you got a question, first of all. No no questions. Any questions for okay, then I need a motion to accept this proposal then. So moved. Okay, Mr. Blount, is our second? Second. Mr. Alexander, okay. No further discussion. All in favor, please indicate. [5:54:51, 5:54:52]: Opposed. [5:54:52, 5:54:55]: I abstain. Okay, three zero one. Motion passed. [5:54:55, 5:55:00]: Thank you. And this may be the last time I'm ever in front of you,'cause come October. [5:55:00, 5:55:06]: Think I'm taking the path on out. Well you okay. I'll check you out. We'll we'll see ya. [5:55:06, 5:55:26]: Want to grow up and be like you're not gonna be in October. In October. October is go to sleep when you get over the next people. Have a good night's sleep. We sorry, I'm sorry. Council consideration approved site engineering to replace water main on shortline court an amount of one hundred and thirty four thousand seven hundred fifty one dollars and twenty. [5:55:26, 5:55:46]: Mr. Aaron, please. Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. This is a project. We've got some issues with substandard material that was used back in the day for this portion of our water distribution system. [5:55:46, 5:56:06]: So site engineering is our own call engineer. This is something that's been leaking for a while. We need to get repaired. So we're coming before council tonight to ask for approval. We'll ru uh replace the water main with uh ductaline water main and also put in some additional fire hydrants and replace some services as well. [5:56:06, 5:56:07]: Yes, sir. [5:56:10, 5:56:17]: Maine on the short line and another one hundred and thirty-four thousand seven hundred and fifty-one dollars and twenty-five cent funding source of spots. [5:56:18, 5:56:20]: Okay. Is there a second to the motion? [5:56:21, 5:56:26]: Second. Okay, Mr. Alison, a second all further discussion. If not, all fair, please indicate. [5:56:27, 5:56:31]: Okay, no no polls. Okay, four zero passes. Thank you, Ms. Mayor and Council. [5:56:32, 5:56:38]: You thank you, sir. Uh council consideration to fill uh vacancy and appointment uh member of the youth council advisory committee. [5:56:39, 5:56:40]: Miss Randy Rainey. [5:56:41, 5:56:42]: And uh [5:56:42, 5:56:52]: Good evening. Good evening. Mayor Council. I am coming before you to fill a vacancy and an appointment for a member of the Youth Council Advisory Committee. [5:56:53, 5:57:10]: Yes, sir. How many applicants you have? Just one. Miss Mary Sadiq, I think that's her name. She's replacing a member who left at the end of May. So that appointment will end um December thirty first, twenty twenty four. [5:57:10, 5:57:12]: Have you all have you you out too? [5:57:12, 5:57:20]: I have not personally talked to her, but she has been vetted by us. But I'm not sure if you guys reached out to her at all. [5:57:20, 5:57:31]: I I motion to um fill the vacancy with the applicant on file, the only applicant on file for the youth council. Second. Okay, any further discussion? And if not all favor, please indicate. [5:57:32, 5:57:52]: Okay. Okay, it's unanimous city for all. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry, we made you wait so long. Sorry, we made you wait so long. Council meetings will be held, the city council chamber noting uh some board members of board and committee meetings will continue to take place by way of Zoom. Meeting dates and times of subject change, please visit the city's website. [5:57:52, 5:58:12]: at www.city of starbridge.com for meeting invitation link, Facebook page, or contact City Hall offices at 770-389-7900. Okay, an additional announcements to an upcoming meetings and events. City Council meeting, second Monday of each month, 6 p.m. [5:58:12, 5:58:32]: City Council Chambers, which will be 12, uh well 12 Jules tonight. Uh youth council meeting, 6 30 p.m., second Monday of each month. City uh City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, City Hall, which once again it was today, earlier today. Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month, 6 p.m. City Hall, Levi meeting room tomorrow. [5:58:32, 5:58:52]: June 13th. City Council work session special meeting date June 20th, 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers on the 20th, that is. Downtown Development Authority meetings third Tuesday of each month. Welcome center 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, which should be June 20th. New Council of our [5:58:52, 5:59:12]: Committee meeting 6:30 p.m. The third Tuesday of each month, Levi Meeting Room, City Hall on June 20th. The planning commission meeting is 6:30 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers fourth Thursday of each month, which will be June 22nd. Upcoming events and initiatives. Okay, join us for Food Truck Takes You Tuesday, 5. [5:59:12, 5:59:32]: Thirty eight thirty Clark Park Community Park Clark Community Park 111 Davis Road and of course lots of great food and activities for everyone. Family event. Join Mayor Pro Tem Barber for a free Zuma every Saturday at 8 a.m. beginning May 6th in Gardner Community Park on East Atlanta Road. Join Councilman Thomas [5:59:32, 5:59:52]: uh for the Don't Trash Stockbridge centered around education highlighting the causes and effects of littering and illegal dumping. More to follow on this information. Councilman Thomas is also honoring veterans with a continued salute to all year long. Please send your pictures of veterans with their names, branch, rank, years of service service to R. Rawl, [5:59:52, 6:00:10]: At city of Stockbridge-G A dot G-O-V. The Main Street will be hosting an informational session for Stockbridge businesses to learn more about how they can participate in Small Business Blitz, Small Business Saturday. This meeting will be held Tuesday, uh, June 13th at um [6:00:12, 6:00:32]: June thirteenth at six o'clock P.M. which uh thirteenth is tomorrow. Tuesday, June at six PM. All right. Uh join join me for the state of the city address on Thursday, June fifteenth, six PM. Location right here in the city hall. Um right in the chambers here at six o'clock. [6:00:32, 6:00:52]: on uh once again on the 15th for state of the city address. Join the city of Stockbridge for our annual Juneteenth celebration. Monday uh June 19th at Stockbridge Amphitheater. There will be food truck food trucks, arts, crafts, vendors, and current and concert featuring jazz, blues, and soul artists. Until we start at 3 p.m. [6:00:52, 6:01:07]: The event is actually free. So you got Bobby Rush, Millie Jackson, Lenny Williams, Luce Ends, Rashawn Patterson, and Gerald Allstead and the Manhattans all performing during that course for a free event. Juneteenth celebration. Be off the chain. [6:01:07, 6:01:27]: Join Calcman John Blount for Bingo Bass Wednesday, June 21st from 10 a.m. to noon at Merle Manders Conference Center located on 111 Davis Road. And join me for Meet the Mayor on Wednesday, June 28th from 10 a.m. to noon. Please contact Roslin Rawls to schedule an appointment. 678-833-2800-8200-8 [6:01:27, 6:01:47]: or by way of email, all Rawls at the city of Stockbridge-GA dot G-O-V. And join Mayor Pro Tam Barber for the second quarter district four community forum Wednesday, June 28th from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. at Mermanus Conference Center. Once again located 11 uh 111 Davis Road. [6:01:47, 6:02:07]: And uh note to get your tickets for the upcoming 2023 concert, suburbs concert series, the bridge, by visiting stockbridgeamp.com in person at the ticket office located at 4650 North Henry Boulevard, Thursday through Saturday, 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. The box office is open Thursday to Saturday from 1 p.m. to 10. [6:02:07, 6:02:08]: [21729.1, 21733.6]: Got a outstanding season coming up here. And my particular comments is first of all [6:02:14, 6:02:14]: Yes, ma'am. [6:02:15, 6:02:16]: No um remain. [6:02:19, 6:02:25]: And no said Tuesday Tuesday six thirteen, which is uh which is tomorrow. [6:02:26, 6:02:27]: That's what No says. [6:02:28, 6:02:29]: Tuesday six thirteen. [6:02:31, 6:02:51]: Right. I s I thought I said sixteenth. The thirteenth, tomorrow, Tuesday. That's when it is. Okay, um we did a proclamation earlier today. We announced that for Happy Father's Day, all you fathers out there. Continue to be great men in your families, uh in your family's wives, your children, and your loved ones. And um and I appointed [6:02:51, 6:03:11]: uh councilman thomas uh to a committee. He's the chairman uh councilman chalm is is officially the chairman of the community relations committee which serves as a forum to review and recommend the city council significant community relations objectives responsibilities of this committee will include but not limit to the following encouraging communication and participation between residents [6:03:11, 6:03:31]: And the city government analyzing and identifying means of ensuring continued cooperation among different groups, coordination of city events, creation of mechanisms to seek input from the citizens to obtain reactions to short and long-range projects or policies, an overview of the operations of the code enforcement department. This committee will meet, shall meet as needed, and shall submit. [6:03:31, 6:03:51]: Submit quarterly status reports to the mayor and council. Congratulations, Councilman Thomas, on your appointment, sir. Thank you, sir. You're welcome. And COVID 19 is still out there, so get your vaccinations boosters, and you gotta stay healthy. And uh we want you to live a long life, so please do so. Get that COVID vaccination. And on that note, I don't I do not know if [6:03:51, 6:03:56]: So my assumption is that I'm going to ask for a motion to [6:03:56, 6:03:57]: Endor council meeting. [6:03:58, 6:03:59]: So Mr. Blount. [6:03:59, 6:04:03]: Mr. Al uh Mr. Thomas, second debt, all in favor please indicate. [6:04:03, 6:04:07]: The meeting is over. 5-0 announced decision. Good night. [6:04:08, 6:04:09]: And God bless you. [6:04:16, 6:04:17]: Well [6:04:21, 6:04:22]: Okay, I'll tell you. [6:04:24, 6:04:27]: Well it's over the final. [6:04:27, 6:04:30]: Don't tell I don't I'm asking, I don't know. [6:04:30, 6:04:32]: Yeah, okay.