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--- title: November 24 2020 City Council Work Session Meeting Via Zoom date: 2020-11-24 source: 2020-11-24_November_24_2020_City_Council_Work_Session_Meeting_Via_Zoom.wav --- [0:00:05, 0:00:05]: Just a moment. [0:00:06, 0:00:07]: Thank you. When you're when you're ready. [0:00:10, 0:00:14]: All right. Well it's I got five fifty nine so I'll be ready. We have a we actually have a quorum. [0:00:15, 0:00:16]: So [0:00:34, 0:00:39]: Okay, so it says the webinar is now live recording. [0:00:42, 0:00:43]: All right. [0:00:47, 0:00:51]: And I actually have six o'clock is face it's going on Facebook Live as well, is that correct? [0:00:58, 0:01:00]: Not exactly. Okay. [0:01:00, 0:01:02]: It's it's through this portal. [0:01:03, 0:01:06]: People as I understand it can join through via Facebook. [0:01:06, 0:01:10]: Okay Facebook. Okay, good. Coming through this portal. [0:01:10, 0:01:21]: All right, well we have a quorum so I'm gonna start this six o'clock on uh Tuesday, November twenty-fourth is uh council work session. Uh so on that note, uh I'd like to ask the clerk to uh [0:01:23, 0:01:30]: Excuse me. Oh, I'm so sorry. Excuse me. I need the invocation first. I'm sorry about that. Mirapal Tim Thomas, could you give the invocation, please, sir? [0:01:30, 0:01:31]: Yes, thank you, Mayor. [0:01:33, 0:01:34]: Let us pray. [0:01:35, 0:01:38]: O Heavenly Father, we thank thee for [0:01:39, 0:01:44]: The many blessings you bestow upon each and every one of us every day. [0:01:46, 0:01:49]: Bless the citizens of this great city, O Heavenly Father. [0:01:51, 0:01:55]: We rejoice in the opportunity to show you our love. [0:01:56, 0:01:59]: Басона седрось. [0:02:00, 0:02:04]: Bless this council with all of the resources and tools. [0:02:04, 0:02:06]: needed to move this city forward. [0:02:08, 0:02:11]: Give each one of us pure in heart. [0:02:12, 0:02:15]: To serve the citizens of this great city. [0:02:15, 0:02:16]: And not [0:02:16, 0:02:17]: Of our own. [0:02:19, 0:02:22]: Have mercy, O Heavenly Father, on this earth. [0:02:23, 0:02:26]: Read this nation of COVID nineteen. [0:02:26, 0:02:29]: And we ask that you strengthen. [0:02:29, 0:02:33]: Those families impacted by this virus. [0:02:34, 0:02:37]: Help us, Father, to navigate safely. [0:02:37, 0:02:39]: Through the holidays. [0:02:41, 0:02:45]: Father, order our footsteps and show us thy way. [0:02:46, 0:02:48]: We ask for these blessings and [0:02:49, 0:02:51]: In the mighty name of Jesus. [0:02:51, 0:02:52]: Amen. [0:02:52, 0:02:53]: Amen. Thank you. [0:02:54, 0:02:57]: Okay. Pledge allegiance. Please stand. [0:03:01, 0:03:16]: I pledge allegiance to the flag of united and two nations of one nation under God. [0:03:16, 0:03:17]: Underground. [0:03:18, 0:03:21]: Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [0:03:24, 0:03:30]: Uh maybe a little bit about the unison there, but uh regardless of that, roll calls, please. [0:03:33, 0:03:35]: Mayor Ford? Present. [0:03:39, 0:03:40]: Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. [0:03:41, 0:03:41]: President. [0:03:43, 0:03:44]: Kelserman Alexander. [0:03:45, 0:03:45]: Present. [0:03:49, 0:03:51]: Councilwoman Barber. [0:03:51, 0:03:52]: Is it? [0:03:58, 0:04:01]: Councilman Blount. Present. [0:04:05, 0:04:09]: Uh safe number one. [0:04:10, 0:04:12]: And Councilwoman Gantt. [0:04:18, 0:04:22]: Let the record reflect Councilwoman Gantt is not in attendance. Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. [0:04:23, 0:04:30]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. We appreciate it. I need a motion to adopt the agenda. And I believe uh Councilman Alexander, go ahead, please. [0:04:30, 0:04:32]: Yes, sir, mayor. Thank you so much. Um [0:04:33, 0:04:37]: I would like to uh amend the agenda, Mayor, uh adding a couple of items. [0:04:38, 0:04:41]: Uh the first а item is a discussion. [0:04:41, 0:04:43]: Just a discussion. [0:04:43, 0:04:56]: on CARES Act funding in the city to see uh to get an update on that from the city manager and to just see what we can do about helping uh our citizens uh and our businesses in the community. [0:04:56, 0:04:59]: Uh also I would like to add a [0:05:00, 0:05:03]: discussion on the cities uh or a [0:05:03, 0:05:09]: s discussion and uh on the uh city uh center policy for elected officials. [0:05:12, 0:05:18]: Okay. So discussion phase, okay. Um we uh how about maybe make that sixteen and seventeen? [0:05:19, 0:05:20]: Um [0:05:20, 0:05:21]: Okay, is there a second? [0:05:22, 0:05:22]: Yeah, I'm sorry. [0:05:23, 0:05:24]: Mare Proton Thomas. [0:05:24, 0:05:29]: Well I I had a motion to alter the agenda. Uh is it appropriate? [0:05:29, 0:05:40]: Well let's uh we have one a motion right now. Let's let's uh let's go ahead and second that and approve that if that's the case and then we'll we'll come to you two for additional uh motion, sir, to for the agenda. [0:05:41, 0:05:41]: Thank you. [0:05:42, 0:05:43]: To the current emotion. [0:05:45, 0:05:46]: Is there a second for the current motion? [0:05:48, 0:05:52]: A second. Okay. Councilman Barber. Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [0:05:54, 0:05:55]: Yeah, discussion. [0:05:55, 0:05:56]: Mayor. [0:05:56, 0:05:58]: Yeah, yeah. [0:05:58, 0:06:00]: Yeah, councilman barber second that. [0:06:00, 0:06:01]: Right. [0:06:02, 0:06:10]: And all in favor, please indicate once again. Mayor, I just want clarity on the second. Mr. Alexander, if you make clarity on the second, I'm sorry. [0:06:10, 0:06:23]: On the second motion. Okay. Uh we're going to discuss the policy as it relates to uh the procedure behind censoring any siss any elected official in the city. [0:06:26, 0:06:30]: All right, motion next uh all opposed the the motion. I'm sorry, all pose. [0:06:31, 0:06:31]: Sustain. [0:06:33, 0:06:33]: For me. [0:06:33, 0:06:36]: Yeah, well yeah, you're which one is it, sir? [0:06:36, 0:06:41]: I'm fine with it. I'm fine with the figure. Okay, four. So it's four, four, zero. [0:06:41, 0:06:47]: All right. And uh so we're gonna have that sixteen and seventeen. And I'm sorry, Mayor Pro Tem Thomas, go ahead, please. [0:06:47, 0:06:51]: Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Uh Mayor and Council, I move to table [0:06:52, 0:06:54]: Agenda item twelve. [0:06:55, 0:07:15]: Council consideration to approve RFP number 202025P, state contract number nine nine nine nine, uh SPD four zero one nine nine three seven uh for the purchase of Ford uh [0:07:15, 0:07:19]: uh two fifty from Alan Vigil uh until until the next meeting. [0:07:19, 0:07:23]: Okay, count now's down or second that okay. All in favor, please indicate. [0:07:25, 0:07:30]: Okay, okay, thank you very much. That comes off. Okay. Um on that note, um [0:07:31, 0:07:36]: And the next item was reviewed the minutes of the following meetings. You had the council meeting on July 13th. [0:07:37, 0:07:40]: Uh the council work session on July twenty eighth. [0:07:41, 0:08:01]: uh the council um uh work session well session work session on september twenty ninth and then a council meeting on uh october twelfth and a council work session on the uh twenty-seventh. Those minutes are all there for your view. Uh please do that and we'll actually approve or disapprove [0:08:01, 0:08:05]: And on that note, um [0:08:06, 0:08:07]: Madam Clerk, we have any public comments at all? [0:08:08, 0:08:13]: We do. Um mayor, we have two public comments this afternoon. Go right here, please. [0:08:14, 0:08:18]: All right, the first one comes from Mr. Corinne Rendezzo. [0:08:19, 0:08:20]: And his [0:08:21, 0:08:23]: Public comment is as follows. [0:08:23, 0:08:29]: Before anyone goes, pilfering splot five for the amphitheater or [0:08:29, 0:08:34]: Accrements, you should know voters passed Georgia Amendment one. [0:08:34, 0:08:38]: Dedicating Tax and Fee Revenue Amendment 2020. [0:08:38, 0:08:41]: Taxes have to go to the purpose for which they were intended. [0:08:42, 0:08:44]: Splas five has a list. [0:08:45, 0:08:48]: And from a layman's view, it's now a binding list. [0:08:49, 0:08:50]: Second. [0:08:50, 0:09:00]: Why is my house along with all the others on Lee and Bryant Streets in the Spanish village neighborhood in the DDA redevelopment zone? [0:09:01, 0:09:04]: Why wasn't the DDA board consulted? [0:09:04, 0:09:08]: Do you think the neighborhood was pro given proper notice that [0:09:08, 0:09:11]: When Mr. Custon himself a DDA board member [0:09:12, 0:09:17]: had no knowledge the city council was going to expand the DDA. [0:09:18, 0:09:28]: That is Mr. Brandazo's comment. All right. And uh we will respond to that. Uh Mr. Knight, you'll take charge for a response to that after the sometime after the meeting tomorrow in this aspect. [0:09:30, 0:09:31]: That's fine, Mayor. [0:09:31, 0:09:32]: Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you. [0:09:33, 0:09:39]: The second comment is from Ms. Ariel Shaw, representing Southern Crescent Women in Business. [0:09:40, 0:09:52]: On behalf of Southern Crescent Women Business, we acknowledge all small businesses and implore the community to support their local businesses this Black Friday, Small Business Saturday, and Cyber Monday. [0:09:53, 0:10:13]: Thank you to the Stockbridge Mayor and Council for acknowledging Small Business Saturday and Main Street for bringing attention to local businesses. That is all of the public comments. And I'll address that to my comments near the end of the meeting. And I forgot to mention in reference to the first one, um, I don't believe his home is in the DDA. You'll clarify. [0:10:13, 0:10:33]: that form as well in this aspect. And I think everything on Splos 5 we've actually taken care of properly. And then in reference to um I think it was one other issue he had on his mind that that I know you addressed, but I'm pretty sure we're we're we're tracking with no problem. But officially give an official statement to that [0:10:33, 0:10:36]: aspect and we'll follow up with the rest of the community as well, Mr. Knight. I appreciate it. [0:10:37, 0:10:39]: On that note, uh we'll go to old business. [0:10:40, 0:10:43]: Uh council consideration to approve capital projects bonding. [0:10:43, 0:10:46]: Presented by Mr. Biden as well as Ed Wall. [0:10:46, 0:10:48]: And that's Selby, Bond Council. [0:10:49, 0:10:50]: Sir, please. [0:10:52, 0:10:54]: All right, thank you, Mayor. Um the [0:10:55, 0:10:58]: Per our discussion at the last meeting, uh there was uh [0:10:59, 0:11:02]: previous discussion about bonding for the amphitheater and potentially [0:11:03, 0:11:19]: uh other projects. As you recall, uh the original thoughts centered around funding for the amphitheater at about$4.6 million after we had exhausted other funds, specifically spOST four funds at$6.3 and then$5 million out of fund balance. [0:11:20, 0:11:25]: Uh part of the c conversation uh at the last meeting centered around uh trying to obtain [0:11:26, 0:11:30]: a more definitive figure of uh the amphitheater costs. [0:11:30, 0:11:44]: Um Mr. Ball is going to go through uh with you a couple of things that we uh have discussed. Um, but uh in in essence, uh there are a couple of things that we need to consider with respect to the amphitheater, which is [0:11:45, 0:11:48]: Some of the accoutrements that would go along with [0:11:48, 0:11:52]: The amphitheater itself beyond the actual construction costs. [0:11:52, 0:11:57]: Um things like lighting and things like speaker systems and things like amplifiers. [0:11:58, 0:12:02]: Um green roll green roam uh accessories. [0:12:02, 0:12:16]: I would mention that the green room and the concession rooms do include already in the primary cost things like refrigerators and things like kitchen equipment and those items. So those items are part of the primary cost. [0:12:17, 0:12:25]: The other associated items that we have are related to the Lee Street road construction and also the East Atlanta road construction. [0:12:26, 0:12:30]: А there is a separate identified pot of money for. [0:12:30, 0:12:32]: Those particular road projects, but there's also [0:12:33, 0:12:35]: included um some [0:12:36, 0:12:36]: Parking. [0:12:37, 0:12:38]: Uh along with that. [0:12:38, 0:12:42]: And while those are getting closer to being able to be bid. [0:12:43, 0:12:46]: Um obviously we don't have an exact figure until they are bid. [0:12:47, 0:12:51]: uh but have uh some scale of magnitude if you will for what that would entail. [0:12:52, 0:12:57]: The issue is uh I think we want to make sure that you uh the the [0:12:58, 0:12:59]: Um elected body. [0:13:00, 0:13:03]: Have a good sense of what it would take to. [0:13:03, 0:13:06]: Uh complete the amphitheater project in full. [0:13:07, 0:13:10]: Um, but also um be able to [0:13:11, 0:13:17]: um uh account for everything as best as best we can uh at this moment. [0:13:17, 0:13:21]: As well as have an eye on additional project or projects. [0:13:22, 0:13:23]: here in the future. [0:13:24, 0:13:28]: Uh so we're going to walk through this uh with Mr. Wall. [0:13:29, 0:13:35]: Also, we're going to discuss blossom five, which was approved by the mayor and council and approved per [0:13:35, 0:13:37]: Intergovernmental agreement. [0:13:37, 0:13:41]: and the breakdown for splost five for those various categories. [0:13:41, 0:13:43]: uh that were approved. [0:13:43, 0:13:47]: And uh hopefully you will be able to uh discern clearly. [0:13:48, 0:13:51]: Uh, what your pleasure is with respect to [0:13:51, 0:13:53]: A bonding for the amphitheater. [0:13:53, 0:13:57]: And also having an eye on any future projects or items. [0:13:57, 0:14:01]: uh that she would like to see um as your vision for [0:14:02, 0:14:07]: The city of Stockbridge. Now I will also tell you that once Mr. Wall goes through his presentation [0:14:07, 0:14:11]: The one thing that uh we as staff want to do and make sure of is that [0:14:12, 0:14:15]: We provide you with realistic information. [0:14:15, 0:14:22]: And also um provide you with our thoughts regarding any challenges that may lie ahead. [0:14:23, 0:14:25]: With respect to um [0:14:26, 0:14:28]: Extending too much. [0:14:28, 0:14:30]: In in the way of bonding. [0:14:30, 0:14:32]: As it relates to [0:14:32, 0:14:33]: impacts on [0:14:34, 0:14:38]: Either the general fund budget or impacts on the ability [0:14:38, 0:14:51]: to uh construct or accomplish some of the other projects that you have uh at least identified uh in your future. There are also other things uh to be considered, of course. Right now the city of Stock Richard does not operate. [0:14:52, 0:14:57]: uh with a property tax. Uh the city is able to provide a high level of service by doing that. [0:14:58, 0:15:02]: As we take on these additional capital improvement projects. [0:15:02, 0:15:15]: Um again, as I've mentioned before and will mention now, anything that impacts the general fund budget begins to stretch and stretch, stretch the general fund budget. Um and then so you have to look at [0:15:15, 0:15:17]: Other sources of funding. [0:15:17, 0:15:19]: Um like um [0:15:20, 0:15:23]: uh bonding in this case and or splost five. [0:15:24, 0:15:26]: For constructing uh projects. [0:15:26, 0:15:28]: Um the [0:15:28, 0:15:30]: The um [0:15:30, 0:15:33]: Again, the impetus for this and for the discussion tonight. [0:15:34, 0:15:37]: Uh we'll be able to hopefully answer your questions. [0:15:37, 0:15:41]: Bring uh some level of uh decision making to you. [0:15:41, 0:15:43]: Um expect to [0:15:45, 0:15:46]: Potentially. [0:15:48, 0:15:49]: Uh bonding [0:15:50, 0:15:52]: A uh Bond in the Amphitheater. [0:15:52, 0:15:54]: And or any other projects. [0:15:54, 0:15:56]: Uh, be it now. [0:15:56, 0:15:58]: bond issuance now and or [0:15:58, 0:16:00]: Uh one in the future. [0:16:00, 0:16:03]: So with that, I will turn it over to Mr. Wall and he will [0:16:04, 0:16:08]: walk through um the scenarios that we have discussed. [0:16:08, 0:16:11]: Thank you, sir. Could you uh ask the host to let me share the screen? [0:16:16, 0:16:27]: Are you the host? No, I'm actually right now I am not. Um host, please allow Mr. Wall to share a screen, please. Imagine you hear me. [0:16:32, 0:16:34]: There it is. Thank you. Thank you, Mate. [0:16:35, 0:16:35]: All right, no problem. [0:16:52, 0:16:53]: Let me [0:16:59, 0:17:01]: As Mr. Wolf prepares to share his screen. [0:17:02, 0:17:08]: He'll also discuss for the benefit of the council a certain amount that is proposed to be bonded for the amphitheater. [0:17:09, 0:17:11]: It will also discuss what happens if we don't [0:17:12, 0:17:14]: Or if if the council were to approve this amount. [0:17:15, 0:17:23]: And what happens to excess funds if we don't use it, as well as um uh if for some reason uh there was a [0:17:23, 0:17:24]: Um [0:17:24, 0:17:34]: a need to go beyond um this particular mount mount. We want to make sure though we cover all scenarios. Not saying that would happen, but we want to cover all scenarios for you. [0:17:35, 0:17:36]: Thank you, Mr. Dynamite. [0:17:37, 0:17:39]: If um everybody see my screen. [0:17:39, 0:17:40]: Got it. [0:17:40, 0:17:41]: It's got it so it's [0:17:41, 0:17:42]: So uh [0:17:43, 0:17:49]: We've been looking at this number about four and a half million dollars here. I have made a seven point five million. [0:17:50, 0:18:03]: I've kept the amount from the general fund the same at five million. I've kept the SPLOS four, the six million three, you know, and that's coming from the Regents Bank uh leftover construction account uh from bonds from the SPLOSS 4. [0:18:04, 0:18:11]: And so it gives us eighteen million six thirty. That number had been fifteen million eight hundred and [0:18:11, 0:18:15]: Some odd thousand, maybe almost fifteen million nine. [0:18:15, 0:18:16]: And so um [0:18:16, 0:18:19]: It gives extra money to finish the project. [0:18:20, 0:18:22]: If for some reason you don't spend that much [0:18:23, 0:18:26]: we can uh put it back into the sinking fund and pay down debt. [0:18:27, 0:18:29]: Um Mr. Knighton had met with Kek and Wood. [0:18:30, 0:18:30]: Uh [0:18:30, 0:18:37]: He's worked hard at trying to figure out exactly how much we need to finish the project, how much we spent so far. And uh [0:18:37, 0:18:40]: Um the number seems to be right at seven million. [0:18:41, 0:18:45]: And today he and I discussed maybe going to seven and a half million. [0:18:45, 0:18:53]: In case there's any overages, um, you would have this to choose from rather than the general fund fund balance. And if you don't use it, you can put it back into the seni fund to pay debt. [0:18:55, 0:18:59]: Um, before y'all ask me questions on that, just put a pen in that I'd like to go to the um [0:19:00, 0:19:02]: next uh schedule if I could. [0:19:02, 0:19:03]: Payment schedule. [0:19:05, 0:19:16]: And the annual payment is five hundred ninety-seven thousand dollars a year. Five hundred ninety four some years, five ninety three some years. And I'm expecting to sell it for fifteen years at two point four percent. [0:19:19, 0:19:19]: Um [0:19:22, 0:19:23]: Uh um [0:19:23, 0:19:26]: I'm gonna make the whole presentation unless y'all won't [0:19:26, 0:19:28]: Wanna make ask questions as I go along. [0:19:28, 0:19:29]: Um [0:19:29, 0:19:30]: I wanted to go over [0:19:31, 0:19:32]: Splash five. [0:19:33, 0:19:35]: Exhibit um [0:19:35, 0:19:39]: F was the project list that the voters approved in Splash 5. [0:19:40, 0:19:44]: If you'll see it had civic projects and buildings at nine point eight billion. [0:19:44, 0:19:47]: Road projects at four point five million. [0:19:47, 0:19:53]: Sewer, water, stormwater infrastructure at four point five million and park improvements at one point five million. [0:19:54, 0:19:56]: One of the things y'all can think about [0:19:57, 0:20:03]: If you wanted to pay the seven million over five years instead of fifteen years, it could come from this amount here. [0:20:04, 0:20:08]: It would come from SPOSS rather than coming from general fund. [0:20:08, 0:20:09]: Um [0:20:09, 0:20:16]: This nine million also could go towards the cultural arts center that you had as well that that you had talked about at the last meeting. [0:20:16, 0:20:19]: We have park improvements down here as well. [0:20:19, 0:20:20]: And then um [0:20:21, 0:20:27]: These projects here, the voters approved'em and so I would seem to be that you'd have about ten million [0:20:28, 0:20:33]: uh eleven million three hundred thousand dollars available for civic projects and park improvements. [0:20:34, 0:20:34]: Um [0:20:35, 0:20:36]: I ran [0:20:36, 0:20:39]: One number run just for you all to to to [0:20:40, 0:20:41]: Think about [0:20:42, 0:20:45]: If we did a splosched bond for fifteen point eight million. [0:20:46, 0:20:49]: It would leave you four million dollars for pay as you go. [0:20:50, 0:20:51]: If y'all remember [0:20:51, 0:20:51]: The [0:20:52, 0:20:53]: This blossomed ballot question. [0:20:54, 0:20:58]: At twenty million five hundred and twenty five thousand down here is a total that you would collect. [0:20:59, 0:21:03]: over the five year splotch. Remember the first year Henry County gets so you have four years. [0:21:04, 0:21:07]: And so I said if you wanted to do [0:21:07, 0:21:11]: amphitheater and some more projects and do it earlier than pay as you go. [0:21:12, 0:21:15]: I did fifteen point eight million bonds. [0:21:15, 0:21:17]: It left four million for pay as you go. [0:21:18, 0:21:19]: I left um [0:21:19, 0:21:23]: These projects did exactly the same thing that the voters had approved. [0:21:23, 0:21:28]: And I took the interest that you would owe on splos bonds out of this part here. [0:21:29, 0:21:35]: And I capitalized interest for fifty-eight thousand dollars because your first check won't come in until May. [0:21:35, 0:21:37]: Of two thousand and twenty one, I project. [0:21:37, 0:21:39]: And then if I look at [0:21:39, 0:21:40]: Yeah. [0:21:40, 0:21:41]: What um [0:21:42, 0:21:43]: debt service would be [0:21:44, 0:21:52]: Because it's five years instead of fifteen years, the interest rate is one point one percent, and this is tax exempt where the amphitheater is taxable. [0:21:52, 0:21:54]: And here would be the payments that you would make. [0:21:55, 0:21:58]: Remember we're getting twenty million five twenty five. [0:21:58, 0:22:11]: So I would make sixteen million in payments. You would be paying five hundred and seventeen thousand in interest in order to advance fund so you can get ahead of things like inflation, uh any kind of cost increases it would happen. [0:22:11, 0:22:14]: And uh this is just for an option for you to think about. [0:22:14, 0:22:20]: if you wanted to do those projects including some part of the cultural arts center as well as the amphitheater. [0:22:21, 0:22:27]: You wanted to, you could take the seven million for the amphitheater out of here and not worry about paying for it out of the general fund. [0:22:28, 0:22:30]: I uh I'm open for questions then. [0:22:31, 0:22:41]: Well, um I will tell you, uh Mr. Wall, I I I know the council has some questions, but this last slide we're looking at it, it seems pretty logical, feasible to me, but I'm not sure how everybody feels about this just yet. [0:22:42, 0:22:46]: But you said some low interest rate that we can do in a five year period and take the [0:22:46, 0:22:49]: The seven million out of this total is what I understand. Is that correct? [0:22:50, 0:22:51]: That's one of the options you have, sir. [0:22:51, 0:22:54]: Okay, thank you. Any other questions for the council? [0:22:55, 0:22:55]: I'm sorry, Ms. Night. [0:22:56, 0:23:05]: Yeah, I I was gonna just elaborate on that. That's one of the things we started looking at um after we'd gone through these other scenarios. A question I raised was [0:23:05, 0:23:06]: If in fact [0:23:07, 0:23:09]: We wanted to take it out of [0:23:09, 0:23:12]: Splash five, which is a dedicated funding source. [0:23:13, 0:23:15]: And not [0:23:15, 0:23:21]: impact the general fund budget. It would come out of splot five under this scenario, seven million dollars, seven and a half million dollars. [0:23:22, 0:23:25]: Would come out of splost five and be paid off in five years. [0:23:26, 0:23:28]: Um instead of [0:23:28, 0:23:31]: Bonding for fifteen years on this project. [0:23:32, 0:23:35]: Now that does of course then reduce significantly [0:23:36, 0:23:40]: Um, you know, the next step or the next project, if you will. [0:23:41, 0:23:44]: Cultural Art Center, what have you? Next project. [0:23:44, 0:23:48]: Um you need to deal with some more significant or or some other funding sources. [0:23:48, 0:23:50]: uh to be able to uh [0:23:51, 0:23:52]: Deal with that. So the question [0:23:53, 0:23:57]: In this scenario and obviously the I want to hear from the council, but the question would be [0:23:58, 0:24:03]: You know, you you would have a dedicated funding source plus five, pay it off in five years for the amphitheater. [0:24:04, 0:24:07]: And then by the if if in fact the cultural arts center is next. [0:24:08, 0:24:12]: Realistic construction wouldn't take place until probably at least a year from now. [0:24:14, 0:24:15]: Really more than likely. [0:24:15, 0:24:24]: If that is the the the council's will, and then you identify or develop funding scenarios around that, be it bonding or some other sources. [0:24:25, 0:24:27]: And so that was something I wanted. [0:24:28, 0:24:33]: obviously Mr. Wall to take a look at um because it does provide kind of a new a a [0:24:33, 0:24:37]: different discussion, if you will, from what we were looking at previously. [0:24:37, 0:24:41]: with respect to a fifteen year bond issuance directly out of general fund. [0:24:42, 0:24:46]: Thank you, sir. Councilman Alexander, go ahead, please. Yeah, can you take can you take this off the screen? [0:24:47, 0:24:48]: Yes. [0:24:59, 0:25:18]: Okay. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. And uh what you did was you actually gave me a a great perspective on uh what I discussed last time, which is of course part of the spLOS proceeds can be used uh for existing projects and then some of it can't not be. [0:25:18, 0:25:20]: So uh in the short term. [0:25:21, 0:25:22]: If we bonded the money. [0:25:23, 0:25:24]: Well [0:25:25, 0:25:26]: Certainly could take [0:25:27, 0:25:31]: those pro proceeds to make the payments and then pay off the splash. [0:25:31, 0:25:33]: Uh play off the ampathiat apportion. [0:25:33, 0:25:36]: Within the bonding amount that we decide. [0:25:36, 0:25:38]: That we want to pursue. [0:25:38, 0:25:39]: Uh huh. [0:25:39, 0:25:49]: It is my opinion and I think I was pretty clear last time stating that I wanted to see us uh move forward uh aggressively along these lines. [0:25:49, 0:25:52]: And that means uh us pursuing [0:25:52, 0:25:54]: More than one project at a time. [0:25:55, 0:26:09]: So uh what how I see this whole thing breaking down is pretty simple. As Mr. Wall explained, the seven million dollars will be paid for out of splots. Okay. That's the empathy of the project. We want to hold [0:26:10, 0:26:16]: tight to that too. We don't want uh excesses. We don't want the project running over. [0:26:16, 0:26:28]: We wanna be able to hold tight to that. If there it happens to be an overage, it would need to be justified, brought back to council, and then we'd have to determine how we're gonna handle it, whether there'd be fund balance or what have you. [0:26:28, 0:26:31]: But that that number wanted to be tight. [0:26:31, 0:26:37]: Uh, I don't really like the escalation of going to seven and a half. I like holding that number tight. [0:26:37, 0:26:42]: uh where it is so that we can demand that uh fiscal [0:26:42, 0:26:57]: restraints to be put in place and understanding that is the budget. That is the budget that we want to hold to seven million dollars. In terms of the Cultural Arts Center, the amphitheater project is winding down. We're just late paying for it. [0:26:57, 0:27:13]: Honestly, we you know we we could have we should have made this decision uh a while back. But of but fortunately waiting has been very good for us because now we have historically low interest rates, interest rates that will never [0:27:13, 0:27:25]: ever be this low again in my opinion. And at this point, this is the perfect time with which and I'm gonna have to ignore that phone call, it would ring at this exact time, right? Now. [0:27:25, 0:27:35]: We we just want to make sure that we take care of the the responsibility of moving the citizens and the city ahead uh uh proactively. [0:27:36, 0:27:45]: We talked about since 2016, 2017, 2018, moving forward with the Cultural Arts Center. [0:27:45, 0:27:51]: We actually knocked down the old cultural arts center in twenty sixteen. [0:27:51, 0:27:55]: Mayor, you had that famous photo where you had the sledgehammer. Right. [0:27:55, 0:28:06]: in the newspaper knocking it down and we still and that was in 2016. Here we are in 2020 now and that lot still remains empty at this point. [0:28:07, 0:28:10]: Uh we passed the master trail plan. [0:28:10, 0:28:25]: uh in 20 uh six sixteen i think it was finished in twenty seventeen it sat on the shelf drawing dust we just had another iteration uh of that plan completing Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail. [0:28:25, 0:28:28]: А то конек арці та хістрі. [0:28:28, 0:28:31]: Given that Rock Corey entrance a defined [0:28:32, 0:28:32]: You know [0:28:32, 0:28:38]: A best in class look as you drive down there, making that one of the primary entrances. [0:28:38, 0:28:39]: to downtown. [0:28:39, 0:28:59]: There's no need for folks to go all the way to Highway 42. I mean, or Eagles, uh Highway 138. When they coming down uh Rock Quarry, they could just get off right there at the Heritage Trail and come on into downtown in a beautiful, pristine area. We could do that by starting it with the master trail plan and the beautification. [0:28:59, 0:29:06]: That will come along with it. The other end, maybe the East Atlanta Road Project, where we go down East Atlanta Road. [0:29:07, 0:29:13]: Uh uh we understand that our main street is very aggressive in uh pursuing these um [0:29:14, 0:29:14]: Grit. [0:29:15, 0:29:19]: And uh we we have to have seed money, I understand. [0:29:19, 0:29:21]: For seven hundred fifty thousand to a milyen dollars. [0:29:22, 0:29:25]: We could return up to three milyen dollars in additional. [0:29:25, 0:29:27]: funding with that seed money. [0:29:27, 0:29:28]: Put in place. [0:29:29, 0:29:34]: Saying all of that, the total package that I would like to see. [0:29:34, 0:29:40]: uh personally would be fourteen million dollars for the cultural arts center. [0:29:42, 0:29:44]: Севен мільян дала. [0:29:45, 0:29:48]: For the amphitheater, that's right. На севен. [0:29:48, 0:29:53]: На севенпот восемь мільяр промфатер. [0:29:53, 0:30:00]: Okay, and I'd also like to see a million dollars for the the master trail plan. [0:30:01, 0:30:21]: Which again, that's seed money. We put in out a million dollars in seed money to hopefully have returned uh three million, maybe up to three million dollars in grant funding that would be returned to us. That money would be spent commiserate with whatever grants uh we receive as the seed money to move forward with the master trail. [0:30:21, 0:30:21]: [1821.9, 1825.0]: So if you totaled all of that up [0:30:27, 0:30:47]: We have$14 million for the Cultural Arts Center,$7 million to finish the amphitheater,$1 million for the uh master trail plan. So we can actually do two projects at one time. And as as stated already, we can actually pay for$7 million out of the SPLOS 4. [0:30:47, 0:30:58]: And we could also pay for linear parks, which are trails, okay, out of that splash fund as well. So we could cover$8 million of that. [0:30:59, 0:31:19]: out of the spLOS because we have park park improvements uh in the splots. We also have road improvements in the spLOS as well as this monetary that we could use for the amphitheater. So eight million dollars of that could be covered out of splots. Okay. That would cover us to pay off uh if we wanted to do an array [0:31:19, 0:31:30]: Rapid rate. But what it would also do is secure historically low interest rates for us so that we don't miss out on this window of opportunity. [0:31:30, 0:31:41]: Because as we know, uh as the interest rate increases, so much the cost of borrowing money. I think we're we're we're just shy of two percent or m right around two percent in order [0:31:41, 0:31:46]: to buy the money. So Mr. Wall, can why why I got you on the call, let me ask you [0:31:46, 0:31:49]: I don't know the answer to this question, so I'll ask you. [0:31:49, 0:31:53]: So as the interest rate goes up, do the fees increase? [0:31:55, 0:31:56]: But do the conversation to [0:31:56, 0:32:00]: uh uh the the the banks and everything increase as well. [0:32:01, 0:32:13]: So the conversation to the banks who buy the bonds to the banks, the entity, the brokers, yourself, does that go up commiserate of the insur interest rate increases? Does your conversation increase? [0:32:13, 0:32:17]: No, sir. So I don't make any extra money, the professionals don't. [0:32:17, 0:32:21]: But the person who buys the bonds makes more money as interest rates go up. [0:32:21, 0:32:41]: Okay, so so in other words the bank the interest rate goes up, the bank gets a greater return. So by us borrowing money right now, we actually save versus having that interest rate uh go up and continue to go up. And again, as I said last time, uh Wall the uh Wall Street is still clicking along. [0:32:41, 0:32:57]: doing just fine it's near historic highs as a matter of fact after our last meeting it hit a historic high ticked down a little bit but it's still right up there in record territory so we're in good sound fiscal conditions as far as that is concerned so [0:32:57, 0:33:07]: in earnest, that's what I would like to see uh for us to do in order to move the city forward. And and and in accordance with that. [0:33:08, 0:33:11]: Okay, I will make a motion to move forward. [0:33:11, 0:33:20]: With uh a total funding package of twenty-two million dollars, fourteen million dollars for art center. [0:33:20, 0:33:31]: Seven million dollars for the you seven million dollars for the amphitheater and one million dollars for the master trail plan for a total of twenty two million dollars. On the water. [0:33:32, 0:33:33]: Right. [0:33:33, 0:33:53]: We're we're we're still in the we're still in the questioning phase to Mr. Walls, and that that's respect to all the council members to be able to ask questions before one council member speaks and then make a motion. We all should have an opportunity to speak to Mr. Walls about our concerns, whether the motion passed or not, but we all should have an opportunity before a motion is made to voice our concerns. [0:33:53, 0:34:04]: concerns pertaining to what's been laid out already before a motion. It can be done several ways, but uh go go ahead with the motion has been made. It hasn't been seconded, but you have you have some concerns, sir. Go ahead. What's your question to Mr. Wall? [0:34:05, 0:34:11]: Well my my question with with Mr. Wall is and I understand that the interest rates are pretty low right now. Um [0:34:12, 0:34:19]: But I but my caution is that not only that we don't have a bottom line figure. I don't know if any other council member has. [0:34:20, 0:34:23]: A bottom line figure what it's going to cost us to complete this amphitheater. [0:34:24, 0:34:30]: We haven't put one piece of furniture up. We we don't know what about the furniture. Mr. Knighton, do you know the bottom line figure? [0:34:30, 0:34:36]: with furniture, any more change orders are coming. What's the bottom line figure for complete in this amphitheater? [0:34:36, 0:34:38]: That's the first question that I [0:34:39, 0:34:46]: Okay. Um, and I can't give you with absolute definity what a bottom line figure is because just as you mentioned, [0:34:47, 0:34:48]: You mentioned change order. [0:34:48, 0:34:53]: If for some reason something happens with the parking or even the road situation. [0:34:54, 0:34:58]: Let me start digging. I I can't give you an absolute. What I have done. [0:34:58, 0:35:02]: Is trying as best I can in conversations with Ket and Wood and with [0:35:02, 0:35:03]: Um [0:35:04, 0:35:04]: Oh. [0:35:06, 0:35:06]: T S D. [0:35:07, 0:35:10]: And looked at uh various situations and I've got [0:35:10, 0:35:12]: Um some figures that I have [0:35:13, 0:35:15]: um put together in terms of what I've been [0:35:15, 0:35:16]: Looking at [0:35:16, 0:35:18]: In terms of this overall figure. [0:35:18, 0:35:24]: Remember there was also there was also a change order that's already been done of seven hundred thousand dollars. [0:35:24, 0:35:29]: Then you look at the road figures. We have a pot of money for roads and so forth. [0:35:29, 0:35:35]: But again, until we bid it out, we won't know exactly. So I included an additional five hundred thousand for that. [0:35:35, 0:35:36]: If needed. [0:35:37, 0:35:43]: Then for the green room itself, in terms of equipment, furniture, and so forth for green room and accoutrements. [0:35:43, 0:35:44]: One hundred thousand. [0:35:45, 0:35:52]: uh enhanced landscaping, which is something we talked about in and around the detention pond area to create a pocket park situation. [0:35:52, 0:35:54]: two hundred and fifty thousand. [0:35:54, 0:35:57]: And then amphitheater equipment for speakers. [0:35:57, 0:36:04]: for uh amplification, for all of those things that come along with sound systems, lighting, and so forth at 500,000. [0:36:04, 0:36:10]: Those total at just over two two million dollars, essentially point oh five million dollars. [0:36:10, 0:36:11]: So if you took that [0:36:12, 0:36:15]: From the four point six milyen that was originally discussed. [0:36:16, 0:36:17]: For the amphitheater. [0:36:17, 0:36:19]: Now you're at six point [0:36:20, 0:36:20]: Um [0:36:21, 0:36:23]: Just over six point six milyen dollars. [0:36:24, 0:36:25]: But those I just mentioned. [0:36:26, 0:36:27]: Those items I just mentioned. [0:36:28, 0:36:31]: And so originally we talked about seven million dollars. [0:36:31, 0:36:35]: As Mr. Wall said the seven and a half was put it was placed in there for [0:36:36, 0:36:39]: Um just additional in case it's needed. [0:36:39, 0:36:47]: But that's those are the figures that I have um come up with in discussions and realistic expectations of what those costs should be. [0:36:47, 0:36:51]: Therefore, that's why we came up with that. Um that's why we came up with that number. [0:36:51, 0:36:58]: But we have to be careful and cautious, Mr. Knight, when we start to say, and I understand we we're we're saying seven million. [0:36:58, 0:37:18]: We're saying that, but you still we still talked about other furniture that was going to be laid out, uh VIP era, all of these things. And when you get into const we're not even through with the construction portions of the roads, like you said, we still got to do uh Lee Street. We still gotta do the bit beautification on Lee Street, we still gotta do uh East Atlanta Road, we still have the [0:37:18, 0:37:21]: Да сома стіл не тобі дан водись проєкт. [0:37:21, 0:37:25]: And those speculative amounts are not actual amounts. [0:37:25, 0:37:30]: So we have no idea of what the ending cost of this amphitheater is gonna be. [0:37:31, 0:37:38]: And so when we're throwing out these numbers, they sound good and the interest rate, they sound good, but those aren't actual numbers. And when we talk about using splots, [0:37:38, 0:37:56]: Those identified splash project projects was the intent of those splotch projects was going to of the capital improvement projects and it wasn't the it wasn't to source in to the amphitheater. So when we talk about all of these these monies that are being spent out, we have no idea. [0:37:57, 0:38:03]: right now what monies are gonna be spent out, what monies are gonna be needed because the construction is still ongoing. [0:38:03, 0:38:08]: And change orders come, it this may not even be enough to even burn. [0:38:08, 0:38:14]: For what we're about to go into in the cons to finish the construction of this amphitheater. We haven't even talked about. [0:38:15, 0:38:21]: the the construction por portion of the uh of the house that's gonna be where where the management companies are gonna be. [0:38:21, 0:38:23]: We haven't even talked about that portion. [0:38:24, 0:38:25]: I didn't even hear you just mention it. [0:38:26, 0:38:30]: And we're and and the spec the speculation of the amount of that is over six hundred thousand dollars. [0:38:30, 0:38:40]: So we have to be careful and cautious when we start putting amount on to we have not gotten a a a definitive amount to say this is what it's gonna cost. [0:38:41, 0:38:42]: To finish this amphitheater. [0:38:43, 0:38:48]: We don't have those we we have so much more to do with this amphitheater. We d we cannot [0:38:48, 0:38:57]: Put that amount on that because then we're going to come right back. And then this is going to be stretched out. I told everybody one time before, I never built an amphitheater. [0:38:57, 0:39:14]: When we first came to start talking about this amphitheater, we were told that about 15 to 16 million dollars was going to build an amphitheater. That's what we took. We didn't know all of these extra costs. When we tore down the Cultural Arts Center, we tore it down because it was going to take almost two uh almost two million to rent renovate. [0:39:14, 0:39:16]: So we tore it down. We was told. [0:39:16, 0:39:25]: Never built the culture art center. We were told it's gonna be about$3.5 million to rebuild a culture art center. That's what we were told. I'm just telling what we were told. [0:39:25, 0:39:35]: The figures we was given when I first came on council are way off from the figures of actual building these projects. And when our financial advisor told us [0:39:35, 0:39:38]: To finish this project with the ampitatre. [0:39:39, 0:39:59]: And wait until the spring. Now we gotta we we we're about to get a motion on the board on board to start doing this excessive bonding to wait till the spring because we have no idea of what this is gonna cost. We're sitting here talking about spending millions and millions of dollars in capital improvement product stuff to look good, but we've yet to lay out an infrastructure plan. [0:39:59, 0:40:09]: for the city and what these costs are gonna cost the city. We've helped we yet to lay out and start our uh uh uh um town hall meetings to say what it's gonna cost for us to start a police department. [0:40:10, 0:40:19]: We're sitting here jumping on capital improvement projects and but we have to start to move in a way that's going to be conducive to what's best for the city. [0:40:20, 0:40:23]: And until we get some numbers that you don't have, Mr. Knighton. [0:40:24, 0:40:41]: And that are not before us right now today, this council on what the total amount gonna be to complete this amphitheater project with the roads, with the management office, with all this stuff, how can we sit here and say, let's move forward with this and that with these mines when those numbers aren't even realistic? [0:40:41, 0:40:45]: Let me respond. May I may I mayor Yeah go right here tonight. [0:40:45, 0:40:49]: Let me respond to a couple of things. One is with related to [0:40:50, 0:40:51]: Um [0:40:51, 0:40:56]: the management company or housing for the management company. I think some that's a that's part of another discussion that we need to have. [0:40:57, 0:40:59]: Um in in terms of [0:41:00, 0:41:01]: Well, we'll we'll discuss that later. [0:41:02, 0:41:06]: The other issue related to knowing full well what costs are going to be [0:41:07, 0:41:12]: Remember that of course the council committed to bonding a portion of this project. [0:41:13, 0:41:16]: That that but that commitment was made to bond a portion of the project. [0:41:16, 0:41:18]: Use the six point three from Splask. [0:41:18, 0:41:20]: or Regent's Bank and then another [0:41:21, 0:41:22]: five million out of um [0:41:23, 0:41:23]: Uh [0:41:23, 0:41:26]: fund balance and then bonding the rest of the project. [0:41:26, 0:41:31]: As we get closer to completing the project, obviously we have to have a funding source. [0:41:32, 0:41:33]: by which to complete the project. [0:41:34, 0:41:41]: The items that I mentioned here are based on um best understanding and an estimate of what those costs are going to entail. [0:41:42, 0:41:47]: As we complete the project, because it is still under construction, and there are some things that may [0:41:48, 0:41:52]: arise, which we're trying to account for, and also the roads that are associated with the project. [0:41:53, 0:41:56]: Haven't been bid, we don't know completely. We do not know. [0:41:56, 0:41:58]: And so I can't give you [0:41:59, 0:42:09]: an absolute. I don't think we will ever know an absolute until we turn the key into the amphitheater and it's fully completed. And that's just a part of construction for a project of this magnitude. [0:42:10, 0:42:13]: Uh no, I I and for any project of this magnitude. [0:42:14, 0:42:20]: Um, you will not know absolutely, definitively, what that cost is going to be until it is absolutely completed. [0:42:20, 0:42:23]: No, I get that, Mr. Nightm, but once again [0:42:24, 0:42:37]: This project is in full bloom. It's we come too far to turn around. I understand that there's some funding have to be done to complete this project. And I understand a funding source has to be laid out in order for the project to be completed. [0:42:37, 0:42:44]: But there again, when we initially started talking about bunding, the plan was what was gonna be at four point six million. [0:42:44, 0:42:47]: Now we're talking about seven million dollars and that may not even be enough. [0:42:47, 0:42:48]: Because we don't know. [0:42:49, 0:43:03]: So when we start talking about going into other capital improvement projects and talking about bunding to move money there, when we have not yet even addressed the uh uh infrastructure plan that for for development in the city of Stockbridge. [0:43:03, 0:43:11]: We have not said what monies we're gonna put toward our infrastructure plan and identify. We still have to we still don't know what it's gonna take the wide rock quarry road. [0:43:12, 0:43:14]: What portion we may be be involved with. [0:43:15, 0:43:33]: in order to get the Rock Quarry Road right. We got so much uh at hand for infrastructure, having an infrastructure plan and also talking about the security of this city with a police department, but yet still we're we're talking about multiple capital improvement projects without laying out a plan. [0:43:33, 0:43:38]: to have the infrastructure in place. And when our financial advisor told us [0:43:38, 0:43:39]: Finish this project. [0:43:41, 0:43:43]: And in April, assess what needs to be done. [0:43:44, 0:43:50]: That to me speaks volumes because it says the unknowns can be taken care of. [0:43:50, 0:43:58]: And we cannot keep walking around speculating and keep throwing, throwing, throwing money in a project that we don't know when that check is gonna stop being written. [0:43:59, 0:44:01]: That's where we are with this ampathy. [0:44:03, 0:44:06]: Okay. Any other questions, concerns from the council? [0:44:07, 0:44:14]: I do have a question for Mr. Walls. Um, so if we bond more than what we need. [0:44:14, 0:44:17]: What happens are we what happens to those? [0:44:18, 0:44:20]: Bonds. Are we able to [0:44:20, 0:44:21]: Turn it [0:44:22, 0:44:25]: You put it in the sinking fund and pay the bonds back with it. [0:44:26, 0:44:27]: So um [0:44:27, 0:44:30]: Like if you borrowed ten million and you only spent eight million. [0:44:30, 0:44:37]: You have a extraordinary call on the bonds where you pay back the two million dollars to the lender. [0:44:37, 0:44:38]: Because you didn't use it. [0:44:39, 0:44:41]: Or or you can spend the two million on another project. [0:44:42, 0:44:46]: Is there a fee associated with that transaction? [0:44:46, 0:45:04]: Yes, ma'am. So you would be paying interest on that two um in my example, the two million extra, you'd pay interest on the time you didn't use it and you would pay issuance costs, you'd pay my fee, the bond council fee to issue the bond. So you'd be out there. So on my example, two million [0:45:04, 0:45:07]: I think the fees are two percent, so you'd be out uh [0:45:08, 0:45:10]: uh forty thousand dollars for having done that. [0:45:11, 0:45:13]: So it's not it's not much for two million. [0:45:14, 0:45:19]: Well one of the things mayor, if I could, I wanna talk to Councilman Alexander to make sure I understood his options. [0:45:19, 0:45:20]: Um [0:45:21, 0:45:22]: The splost [0:45:22, 0:45:26]: is only projected to raise twenty million five hundred and forty five thousand [0:45:27, 0:45:34]: But the projects that you mentioned, fourteen million for cultural arts and seven million for amphitheater and one million for trails totals twenty-two million. [0:45:35, 0:45:40]: Were you gonna have half of it? I mean not half of it, but part of it from the general fund and part of it from splashed? [0:45:41, 0:45:41]: Oh. [0:45:42, 0:45:47]: Uh absolutely. That would have that would that would be the prescribed manner. And then [0:45:48, 0:45:48]: Um [0:45:49, 0:45:51]: You know, as as we go along. [0:45:51, 0:45:56]: As we've seen uh d even during these economic times, the engine [0:45:56, 0:45:59]: The economic engine of Henry County is roaring. [0:46:00, 0:46:03]: Yeah. We in in a down economy. [0:46:04, 0:46:11]: We're gonna see our revenue increase in this year, the year of the pandemic. [0:46:11, 0:46:13]: The one hundred year pandemic. [0:46:14, 0:46:17]: We're going to see our revenues. [0:46:17, 0:46:18]: Increase. [0:46:19, 0:46:29]: If that's not telling you the power and then, you know, the one thing about our county is that it's always been underrepresented in industry. [0:46:29, 0:46:33]: We just opened up the first international headquarters. [0:46:33, 0:46:34]: uh for [0:46:35, 0:46:36]: My international company. [0:46:37, 0:46:49]: in the history of the city. They're still trying to get their CO. I'm I'm I'm certainly hopefully that'll work out'cause it should have been done by now. I'll just digress. But we just want to make sure [0:46:49, 0:47:09]: As business after business opens in the city. Every time another business opens, the cash registers to the city go off because you're collecting more tax revenue from travelers, from visitors. We got project after project that's coming to the city. The Oaks and Eagles Landing,$32 million new. [0:47:09, 0:47:18]: residences coming in. We got more zonings where more people want to move to the city. So I expect the revenues to continue to grow. [0:47:19, 0:47:23]: to team continue to outperform and to actually be able to [0:47:23, 0:47:43]: uh absorb those costs as we move forward through the future years. But who knows? Guess what? If we take, wait, let's say we take the full 15 to pay off the rest, there will be a splot six. Okay. There will be another one, right? So uh as we go along and our citizens have talked [0:47:43, 0:47:51]: Told us repeatedly, excuse me, repeatedly over and over again as they vote. They want to see these projects move forward. [0:47:51, 0:47:53]: As a matter of fact, when I was out there [0:47:54, 0:48:14]: Campaigning and I was out there meeting with the citizens as I do engaging them. They keep telling me, well, we voted for that last sploss and spLOS four, but I still have not seen that project move forward yet. And bringing Mr. Knighton on board, he's moving the projects forward. We see that we have the apparatus and [0:48:13, 0:48:23]: place to do so. So yes, the answer to your question is we would pay for uh the portion that we can out of splice and then we would take the remainder [0:48:23, 0:48:43]: uh to the general fund. But we take that remainder to the general fund with all of our fund balance, most of our fund balance still in place in excess of$14,$15 million in fund balance, still in the bank for a rainy day should something hit. [0:48:43, 0:48:54]: We'd have a year plus revenue still in the bank. This allows us basically to borrow our own money, paying it back at 2%. [0:48:55, 0:49:06]: We've already talked about how spliced is. The projection if we bond this particular amount and we only use uh seven million uh out of it or eight million of it to pay. [0:49:06, 0:49:10]: for the amphitheater and then the master trail plan. [0:49:10, 0:49:30]: Right, we still have the excess funds uh that are available to handle the Cultural Arts Center and to make sure that we take care of those other projects. So, and then the estimate is conservative. Right now, we we can we can we don't just have to talk about the projection for SPLOS 4, SPLOS 5. [0:49:30, 0:49:37]: We actually have the numbers. We actually have the numbers. And the numbers are exceeding. [0:49:37, 0:49:56]: What was projected month after month for every month that we've they've been collecting, it has exceeded the amount. So we're not just talking about project about projections off of just blind numbers or what from the past. We're talking about those projections off of actual numbers now. [0:49:57, 0:49:59]: Councilman Blanc, go ahead, please. [0:49:59, 0:50:04]: Uh Councilman Zanus said two words that that really really resonate. Who knows? [0:50:05, 0:50:09]: Because with this plan in place, two things that's are are truly gonna happen. [0:50:10, 0:50:13]: Your general but your general fund budget is gonna increase. [0:50:13, 0:50:33]: And your fund balance is going to decrease. You cannot take SPLOS fund and consider that portions of your uh uh your fund balance because they're allotted monies for specifics when it comes to splots. Uh and Mr. Walls, if you can sit here and explain to me how our general fund will not increase and how our uh fund [0:50:33, 0:50:40]: balance won't decrease. And if you and if it does, if you can give me those numbers right now, then I'll be fine. But I don't think you're going to have those numbers again. [0:50:41, 0:50:46]: Uh to to respond to that if I could stop with m m directly Mr. Hall. [0:50:46, 0:50:48]: Ms. Wall, go ahead, please. [0:50:48, 0:50:51]: On only the good Lord knows what's gonna happen. [0:50:52, 0:50:54]: And that's my point, Mr. Walls. [0:50:54, 0:51:00]: That's my point. A financial advisor is sitting here saying something that's uncertain. [0:51:00, 0:51:11]: We cannot sit here and play these type of games that let's spend this and spin that with so much uncertainty at hand. We have no idea what the ending cost of Zampatheater are gonna be. [0:51:11, 0:51:22]: We have no idea how much general fund our general fund budget is gonna increase. We have no idea of what our fund balance is gonna decrease at, and we have no idea. [0:51:23, 0:51:23]: Right now. [0:51:24, 0:51:33]: Until we finish this project and we come in here and then we formulate a plan for the city of Stockbridge. We can't sit here and say I want [0:51:34, 0:51:42]: Uh like a kid at Christmas, I want this, I want this, I want this without proper planning and understanding. Right now we don't have neither one. [0:51:43, 0:51:46]: Because we have no idea of what monies. [0:51:47, 0:51:54]: What funds are going to be needed, first of all, for this project? So, how can this council sit back and say, pile it on? [0:51:55, 0:51:58]: When we have no idea what position we're putting the city. [0:51:59, 0:52:05]: Um stand by one please, Alexander. May Mayor Port Sam Thomas, you got anything, sir, at all for this conversation? [0:52:08, 0:52:10]: Thank you, Mayor. Um [0:52:11, 0:52:21]: Basically what's I I understand both sides of the discussion right now, but what's resonating with me is somewhat uh Mr. Knight indicated and I've had [0:52:22, 0:52:25]: discussions uh with Mr. Nine before about [0:52:26, 0:52:29]: Um what he perceived to be the fanal. [0:52:30, 0:52:32]: uh numbers to complete the amphitheater. [0:52:33, 0:52:35]: And and and I know he and um [0:52:36, 0:52:45]: Um his his advisors have scrutinized the numbers and I'm sort of satisfied with that at seven, seven and a half. [0:52:45, 0:52:50]: But I'll say this though, and I and I thank Mr. Walls for the the question that [0:52:50, 0:52:52]: Mrs. Barber asked if you borrow money. [0:52:53, 0:52:56]: And you don't use it and you pay it back. [0:52:56, 0:53:00]: See, I I I think that's the that's the backstop for me. [0:53:01, 0:53:08]: Um, even if the amphitheater is more than 7.5 and you've already borrowed, say, um, twenty-two. [0:53:09, 0:53:10]: Um [0:53:10, 0:53:12]: The council can authorize [0:53:12, 0:53:20]: a recalculation of the bonding funds to actually to to finish the amphitheater off. For an example, if the amphitheater [0:53:20, 0:53:23]: Rather than seven five, you go to eight or eight five. [0:53:24, 0:53:27]: Um, you know, we we just have to finish it out, but [0:53:27, 0:53:28]: Um [0:53:28, 0:53:32]: You know, I'm of the mindset to to to move forward. Um [0:53:33, 0:53:37]: Um, you know, with the project and I feel confident that [0:53:37, 0:53:39]: Uh we'll be able to [0:53:39, 0:53:40]: uh sustain [0:53:41, 0:54:00]: uh the projects that we we have indicated. So I'm pretty confident in that. I I you know, Mr. Walls, again, as I mentioned to you at the last meeting, I I just thank you for the information that you're sharing. Um, you know, you're doing exactly what we hired you to do. You're giving us your best scenario. [0:54:00, 0:54:04]: of uh of that and I think it's up to the council whether we [0:54:04, 0:54:23]: uh take that advice or we just you know we you know go in a different direction. But it has no uh slight to you uh of what you're recommending. Uh sometimes we just have to take a chance and just go forward. So I again I just want to thank you for that. But I'm sort of leaning toward um Mr. Knight and I do feel that [0:54:24, 0:54:25]: He has um [0:54:26, 0:54:28]: you know, done his due diligence in that. [0:54:29, 0:54:30]: My [0:54:30, 0:54:34]: My concern about the change order when at the one of the meetings [0:54:35, 0:54:37]: The gentleman talked about the pun. [0:54:37, 0:54:41]: And more likely there will be a change order uh in that. [0:54:42, 0:54:44]: I'm a little concerned about that. [0:54:44, 0:54:47]: Uh, cause you know, as you all know, I have issue with change orders. [0:54:48, 0:54:49]: Um but [0:54:49, 0:54:52]: Uh I'm willing to, you know, really just to go forward, but [0:54:52, 0:55:11]: You know, I I think all of us, and I think this is good discussion coming from uh Councilman Blount and uh Alexander, and they give all of us food for thought. And so um, you know, we these are tough decisions we have to make. And so, you know, we just got to make a decision in order to go forward. Sometimes decisions are good, sometimes [0:55:12, 0:55:15]: are bad, but whatever decision we make, we have to deal with it. [0:55:16, 0:55:17]: Councilman Barber, go ahead, please. [0:55:18, 0:55:19]: Yeah. [0:55:19, 0:55:25]: Mayor Pro Tem just hit the nail on the head for me. Um this amphitheater preceded me. [0:55:25, 0:55:28]: Um now that we're in it, we just gotta finish it off. [0:55:29, 0:55:30]: Um, I do support [0:55:31, 0:55:34]: Um moving forward with multiple projects at one time. [0:55:35, 0:55:36]: But [0:55:37, 0:55:43]: I also understand we have to be careful and responsible with us. [0:55:44, 0:55:46]: Bonding in excess [0:55:46, 0:55:53]: We don't have to be concerned about where additional money would come from if we need it. [0:55:53, 0:55:54]: For the amphitheater. [0:55:55, 0:55:57]: I know what Mr. Knighton provided to us was [0:55:58, 0:56:00]: an estimate of what it's gonna cost. [0:56:00, 0:56:01]: Um [0:56:02, 0:56:02]: So [0:56:03, 0:56:15]: I support it. Um, I do support the Cultural Arts Center and the Master Trail Plan. Um and Mr. Walls answered my question about the old bridge, if we wanted to send it back. I don't think we'll [0:56:16, 0:56:36]: want to send it back, we have other projects that we'll be able to use it for, um, such as, well, I don't know we can use it for establishing a police department or not. But Mr. Knighton did mention about um the town hall meetings he's going to begin having with the community. So we will have funds available. [0:56:36, 0:56:37]: For that. [0:56:37, 0:56:39]: So I support the [0:56:39, 0:56:44]: twenty two million that councilman Alexander has proposed. [0:56:45, 0:56:47]: Okay, Mr. Nine, sir. [0:56:47, 0:56:51]: Yeah, I believe Councilman Blount got disconnected or is trying to reconnect. [0:56:52, 0:56:54]: He's trying to apparently trying to reconnect here. [0:56:56, 0:57:06]: Okay, uh the IT is gonna have to let them back in. Uh Mayor Portem Thomas, go ahead, please. Well, uh uh let me add to to the discussion, I know we're not talking about the uh the budget right now. [0:57:07, 0:57:11]: But I I have uh advocated for tightening [0:57:11, 0:57:13]: uh that budget because [0:57:13, 0:57:16]: I I it it's a lot of waste there and I just hope that [0:57:17, 0:57:20]: Uh we do our due diligence when it comes to the budget. [0:57:20, 0:57:21]: As far as [0:57:21, 0:57:23]: Cutting some of that fat. [0:57:23, 0:57:26]: Uh because every [0:57:26, 0:57:29]: Hundred thousand, fifty thousand, four hundred thousand. [0:57:29, 0:57:34]: All of that come into play and I'll just briefly mention when I recommended [0:57:35, 0:57:37]: bringing um permitting in house. [0:57:38, 0:57:41]: That was a surplus of four hundred thousand, roughly. [0:57:41, 0:58:00]: So, but we we you know we had a tendency to to dismiss that. Um in this budget, and you know, I sent a document to mayor and council a few months ago, and Mr. Knight made some of those cuts, but that tally up to 800,000 just the cuts that I recommended. So I'm just saying. [0:58:01, 0:58:04]: Uh that's a part of my concern is [0:58:04, 0:58:10]: uh cutting some of the fat in the budget. Uh with COVID, you know, hospitality, travel and training. [0:58:11, 0:58:12]: We have to see those things so [0:58:13, 0:58:15]: Every dollar that we can save [0:58:15, 0:58:35]: uh uh not to misuse, then those funds can go to toward uh some of these projects. And so when we get back to the budget, I I will re-emphasize that, but I just want to share that right now that you know we have to be able to look at the total picture of all of the financing and we just have to cut some of this fat because [0:58:35, 0:58:38]: Those dollars are gonna count at the end. [0:58:38, 0:58:53]: Okay, good deal. Hey, Mr. Williams, you haven't said anything, sir, at this point. Wanna ask you, we're talking about the s two projects simultaneously budgeting uh bonding all this money. Is there something that you need to add or state at this time for the uh to where council's thought process? [0:58:55, 0:59:04]: Not really. I mean this this is in the policy discussion phase and and you all are kind of talking about the various uh alternatives, um [0:59:05, 0:59:06]: You know, the [0:59:07, 0:59:14]: You know, a from a drafting perspective, if we're drafting documents for a a a bond issue. [0:59:15, 0:59:17]: You know, one of my first concerns in terms of [0:59:17, 0:59:23]: the other projects is how much are we talking about? And we we don't have a good estimate. [0:59:23, 0:59:28]: for the cultural arts facility. We have a number in mind. And so I I would just be worried about [0:59:29, 0:59:37]: you know, either borrowing, you know, not enough because the final numbers come back different from what we anticipate. [0:59:38, 0:59:45]: um or or borrowing too much. But th those are policy discussions and I and I think you guys are are covering all the bases. [0:59:46, 0:59:47]: Uh, thank you, sir. I appreciate that. [0:59:48, 0:59:51]: Okay, uh uh Councilwoman Barber, go ahead, please. [0:59:53, 1:00:03]: Can I ask Councilman Alexander one question? The I know the seven million uh to complete the amphitheater. Um [1:00:04, 1:00:05]: You proposed [1:00:06, 1:00:08]: 14 million for the Culture Arts Center. [1:00:08, 1:00:09]: Correct. [1:00:09, 1:00:10]: That's correct. [1:00:11, 1:00:13]: And the one million just to start the [1:00:13, 1:00:15]: Master Trail Plan. [1:00:15, 1:00:16]: Mm-hmm. [1:00:19, 1:00:20]: Mr. Knighton. [1:00:20, 1:00:25]: Can you tell me what is the estimate estimated cost? [1:00:25, 1:00:28]: For the amp the Cultural Arts Center. [1:00:30, 1:00:32]: You muted, Miss Knight. You muted, sir. [1:00:34, 1:00:42]: I'm I'm sorry. The last cost estimate we had for the Cultural Arts Center, based on the most recent rendition. [1:00:42, 1:00:46]: was between that sixteen and eighteen million dollar figure, sixteen to eighteen. [1:00:47, 1:00:47]: Okay. [1:00:48, 1:00:49]: Or the cultural arts yeah. [1:00:49, 1:00:51]: Thank you. That was it. [1:00:52, 1:00:53]: Councilman Alazana, go ahead, please. [1:00:56, 1:01:00]: Let me say, ladies and gentlemen, we're borrowing a portion. [1:01:00, 1:01:02]: Okay, there are other funds in the city. [1:01:03, 1:01:05]: Now I will point out okay, this costs [1:01:05, 1:01:07]: This estimate that was put out there. [1:01:08, 1:01:09]: uh anticipates [1:01:10, 1:01:22]: again that we'll have another five or six hundred thousand dollar fund balance increase, which they really should be going to these capital projects and they really should have been going to these capital projects. [1:01:22, 1:01:23]: All alone. [1:01:23, 1:01:31]: 2016,$2 million surplus. 2017,$2 million surplus. 2018,$2 million surplus. [1:01:32, 1:01:34]: Twenty nineteen, like um I think maybe [1:01:34, 1:01:36]: We went down to five hundred thousand, but we took [1:01:37, 1:01:39]: A seven hundred thousand dollars hit. [1:01:39, 1:01:59]: From somewhere else. So the fund balance really should have been one point two million, but we s we showed on record that it was five hundred thousand. So those overages, instead of putting those overages uh into uh the reserve funds, which are already proje at eighteen million last year, those funds can be used to help pay down. [1:01:59, 1:01:59]: Yeah. [1:02:00, 1:02:05]: what we're looking at right now and understand I don't want to put I'm I'm with Mayor Pro Tem. [1:02:06, 1:02:26]: I don't want to put$20 million on the amphitheater and then the budget increases to$22 million. I want to put a conservative number out there, like$14 million, so that we're held tight to that. And anything that goes over that needs to come back to us and it needs justification. We don't want to see all these. [1:02:26, 1:02:46]: Change orders. We don't want to see it explode. We want it a borrow bond amount that we want it to be tight. And anything over that, we want to see that money and we want to feel it. And we feel it by making sure that we have a conservative estimate in this bond and spending real dollars out of fund balance. [1:02:45, 1:02:55]: months or the overages that come on a yearly basis. That is what I that's why I product propose that, Councilwoman Barber. Just like Mayor Pro Tem said. [1:02:56, 1:03:10]: with the amphitheater or any project. When we put a number on it, it has a way of creeping up to that number and then going over the top. So if you put this number on it, I think it'll help it'll help keep the budget [1:03:10, 1:03:18]: Intact, and we haven't come up with a a 100% final. We what we what you just you understand and know. [1:03:18, 1:03:37]: that whatever you put, every time we put a number on it, it always seems to get up to that level and then tick over a little bit. So I want to be conservative. I'm being conservative with the amount that we borrow on the Culture Arts Center, the multi the uh the trail plan where we're getting grants to go along with it. [1:03:37, 1:03:39]: And the amphitheater. [1:03:39, 1:03:40]: So the numbers [1:03:40, 1:03:46]: The amphitheater number is seven million. I don't want to go to seven and a half. I want the number to be tight, and that's what we want to do. [1:03:48, 1:03:53]: Well, it may eventually go seven and a half anyway, but we won't know that. Uh I mean it could possibly do that. [1:03:54, 1:04:01]: Uh i you were uh last talking about um councilman Blount. As uh he's still having a problem getting back in, it seems like. [1:04:01, 1:04:03]: Okay, we're about ready to vote here. [1:04:03, 1:04:11]: Yes. I I uh yes. Apparently he is tr having a difficulty getting back on. I have him on speaker on my on my phone. [1:04:12, 1:04:13]: Councilman Blount, I mean. [1:04:13, 1:04:19]: Okay. Um and he he wanted to obviously participate in this discussion before any vote was made. [1:04:20, 1:04:22]: Was that house? [1:04:22, 1:04:26]: Mayor. Mayor. Yes, sir. [1:04:26, 1:04:44]: I would point out that we do have a two question, five minute rule. And I think we've really kind of exceeded that. I think I've exceeded. So it's not like even if he has, he doesn't really have any more time. [1:04:44, 1:04:52]: Well right, I got I got Mr. Base. Let me ask when you tell him I should have as just as much time as he just had. He just said he had seated a room. [1:04:52, 1:05:08]: Yep, well you heard that I think you all heard that himself. He wanted as much time as anybody else had. Councilman Blount. I've had less time hosting. Who's host is it? IT is hosting to me. I don't I'm not the host right now at this point. Okay, who's host? Is IT hosting? He must be, because I know I'm not. Okay. I'm asking, well [1:05:08, 1:05:10]: We need to get um [1:05:11, 1:05:15]: Will the clerk be able to tell you who's hosting? Yeah, IT is hosting. Apparently IT is hosting. [1:05:16, 1:05:20]: It w I T needs to yes, is that Robert? IT's gotta let Lighty's gotta let him in. [1:05:21, 1:05:26]: Yes, he seems to be having some internet problems. I'm trying to get into his computer, but it's not letting me. It's showing offline. [1:05:26, 1:05:29]: Okay. [1:05:31, 1:05:41]: All right. I'll tell you what, uh Mr. Uh Mr. Knight, since he's on why he's helping him out, why Robert's helping him out. Maybe Councilman Blount, last time. Make like if you got a comments, make the last time then we'll go to a vote, sir. [1:05:44, 1:05:45]: Councilman, can you hear the mayor? [1:05:50, 1:05:50]: Councilman Blount. [1:05:53, 1:06:00]: I don't know if you can hear me. Yes, we can hear. Can you all hear? I can hear them. Go ahead. Yes. Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, they can hear you. Yes. [1:06:02, 1:06:06]: Well Mr. Knight, what I'm saying is is that the amount that you gave us [1:06:06, 1:06:09]: The amount that you gave us was only an amount. [1:06:10, 1:06:11]: That will secure us. [1:06:12, 1:06:14]: Move the seven million dollars will secure us. [1:06:14, 1:06:17]: To move forward with this amphitheater project. [1:06:18, 1:06:19]: It was not an ending amount. [1:06:20, 1:06:21]: It was just to secure it. [1:06:21, 1:06:24]: Secure the funding for the for the for what we've already [1:06:25, 1:06:27]: Already said we were gonna spend on the project. [1:06:27, 1:06:29]: If we don't secure the amount [1:06:30, 1:06:32]: goes a mouth, it stops the project. [1:06:33, 1:06:34]: Let's make that clear. [1:06:35, 1:06:38]: And this council can move forward however they want to move forward. [1:06:38, 1:06:39]: And that's fine. [1:06:39, 1:06:42]: But I'm saying that when we hire a financial advisor [1:06:43, 1:06:48]: And he has numbers that that don't even match up to a council member that's making a making a motion. [1:06:49, 1:06:50]: He doesn't have those numbers. [1:06:51, 1:06:52]: And his recommendation. [1:06:53, 1:06:58]: Has not been that we move forward until the spring. He said that to us. [1:06:58, 1:07:02]: We have so much so many numbers that are not clear to us. [1:07:02, 1:07:05]: Why will we continue to move forward with multiple projects? [1:07:06, 1:07:09]: Spending multiple million dollars, and I still will say again. [1:07:09, 1:07:20]: We have no plan infrastructure plan in place. We have no talks that we've done for the police department and we still don't have no idea what this FT and the final cost gonna be. [1:07:20, 1:07:40]: But yet still this council wants to move forward with multiple millions of dollars when our financial buyers has told us that he does not have the numbers for us right now, because two things are gonna happen. Our general fund uh budget is gonna go up, and our fund balance budget is gonna go down. What those numbers are gonna look like and what [1:07:40, 1:07:45]: they're gonna be, I have no idea. Uh financial advisor get paid for the numbers for that, not a councilman. [1:07:47, 1:07:51]: All right. On that note, uh on that note, that's the last discussion point. Need a motion. [1:07:52, 1:08:06]: What's the motion? Yes, sir. I want to make a motion to move forward with um fourteen million dollars to bonding fourteen million dollars for the cultural arts center, seven million dollars for the amphitheater, and one million dollars for [1:08:06, 1:08:09]: The master trail plan segments. [1:08:10, 1:08:10]: There a second. [1:08:11, 1:08:16]: A second. Okay, Councilman Barber seconds. Okay. Yes, Mr. Knighton. [1:08:17, 1:08:20]: Yes, sir. I just understand there's a motion and a second. Just wanna make sure [1:08:21, 1:08:27]: for full clarity that we understand what is being uh requested of the council or what is being motioned and seconded. [1:08:28, 1:08:29]: You need a motion to repeat it, sir. [1:08:30, 1:08:37]: No, no, no, sir. I I just wanna make sure that I I'm clear and that that for for sake of discussion that we're clear about what is happening here. [1:08:38, 1:08:39]: I would I would think that we are, sir. [1:08:40, 1:08:41]: Okay. All right. [1:08:42, 1:08:43]: All in favor of motion, please indicate. [1:08:46, 1:08:47]: Yeah, all opposed. [1:08:49, 1:08:56]: Okay, so it's three one. All right, motion passed. All right. We're gonna go on to the uh public hearing. [1:08:56, 1:09:01]: Second reading of the proposal FY twenty twenty one operating budget. Uh Mr. Knighton. [1:09:01, 1:09:03]: And John Wiggins, please. [1:09:03, 1:09:05]: And Mayor, are you done with me? [1:09:05, 1:09:10]: I'm sorry, Mr. White. [1:09:11, 1:09:12]: Okay. [1:09:12, 1:09:21]: Okay, yes, while we're we're done, sir. If what you would happy Thanksgiving, Mayor and everybody on council. Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you, sir. Mr. Nighting will be in touch with you, sir. Take care. [1:09:25, 1:09:33]: All right, uh Ms. Knighton and you and uh John Wiggins, uh reference to the um the budget, sir. What kind of comments do you have, sir? [1:09:38, 1:09:41]: All right, if Atty would allow me to share screen here. [1:09:49, 1:09:56]: You have a hundred if you had a hundred thousand for next year twenty twenty one and you use ninety thousand. [1:09:57, 1:09:59]: And ten thousand would roll into fund balance the following year. [1:10:00, 1:10:05]: In in our accounting practices, funds are not encumbered, if you will. [1:10:05, 1:10:08]: Right from one year it rose into fund balance. [1:10:09, 1:10:14]: Right. Oh and we we can, but it's only for like capital projects. [1:10:14, 1:10:17]: that role from year to year. Mr. Nine is absolutely correct. I was [1:10:18, 1:10:19]: That was dead on. [1:10:19, 1:10:21]: Uh that's exactly what happens. [1:10:22, 1:10:22]: uh [1:10:23, 1:10:24]: At the end of each year. [1:10:25, 1:10:28]: That's what you call k it you know, zero budgeting. [1:10:28, 1:10:31]: It goes back into the fund balance. [1:10:31, 1:10:34]: And then the next year's account. [1:10:34, 1:10:37]: Whatever funds that's in that account will pick up. [1:10:37, 1:10:41]: any kind of payments that's coming through for a for that particular project. [1:10:42, 1:10:45]: So in in the agreement with the contractor. [1:10:46, 1:10:49]: Um, are that indication that funds [1:10:49, 1:10:52]: Needed to be used uh in twenty twenty. [1:10:55, 1:10:56]: Mm. [1:10:56, 1:10:57]: Product. [1:10:57, 1:11:01]: I don't remember entering the contract like that, but you know [1:11:01, 1:11:03]: If an invoice is not submitted. [1:11:04, 1:11:05]: You know, um [1:11:06, 1:11:07]: In twenty twenty. [1:11:08, 1:11:13]: then um we will have to pay for it and it have to come out of twenty twenty one since we have [1:11:13, 1:11:14]: The count. [1:11:15, 1:11:20]: line specified for that because this account for twenty twenty is gonna go zero. [1:11:22, 1:11:24]: Okay. I I just want to make sure that [1:11:24, 1:11:26]: Uh we adhere. [1:11:26, 1:11:28]: to the agreement [1:11:28, 1:11:31]: Uh especially if there's no indications. [1:11:32, 1:11:34]: That fund would be needed uh in [1:11:35, 1:11:44]: Uh 2020. But I I I don't want to hold the meeting up, uh, you know, doing that. And I'll follow back up with you and Mr. Night on that, but I just wanted to bring that. [1:11:44, 1:11:46]: Uh to everyone's attention. [1:11:46, 1:11:51]: Also in the budget and it's been a line item in the budget for years. [1:11:51, 1:11:54]: Um for the sign ordinance. [1:11:54, 1:11:55]: Uh fifty eight thousand. [1:11:56, 1:11:59]: Uh and it's been in the budget for many years. [1:11:59, 1:12:02]: Uh Mr. Nag, you and I had this discussion. [1:12:02, 1:12:07]: uh about that and and I asked the question, why wasn't the sign ordinance? [1:12:07, 1:12:09]: included in the [1:12:09, 1:12:12]: Uh unified development code um [1:12:13, 1:12:14]: Um body of work. [1:12:15, 1:12:19]: And I believe you indicated that you were going to have that discussion. So [1:12:20, 1:12:23]: Uh with that discussion with the contractor. [1:12:23, 1:12:24]: Uh [1:12:25, 1:12:27]: What happens to the fifty eight thousand? [1:12:28, 1:12:31]: Right. Um to your point, uh Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. [1:12:32, 1:12:38]: It's been fairly customary in my professional career that oftentimes UDC, if you want to develop a new UDC, including [1:12:39, 1:12:43]: all of the various aspects of development into one document. [1:12:43, 1:12:49]: i.e. a zoning code, i.e. a subdivision ordinance, parking, things of all of things of that nature. [1:12:50, 1:12:59]: that in many cases a sign uh um review or a sign code, if you will, are part of that overall UDC. And in fact [1:12:59, 1:13:03]: in conversation and discussion with the um in presentation by the [1:13:04, 1:13:08]: um consultant they they mentioned specifically [1:13:08, 1:13:11]: that the unified development code would include. [1:13:12, 1:13:15]: Um, the provisions for looking at signage. [1:13:15, 1:13:23]: So with it and with that understanding, then that particular provision, I think we had discussed previously that particular provision for sign. [1:13:24, 1:13:25]: І сан орнис. [1:13:25, 1:13:28]: Um I propose to be drastically reduced. [1:13:30, 1:13:32]: Okay, so [1:13:33, 1:13:35]: In your conversation with the contractor [1:13:36, 1:13:39]: Was it agreed upon that they would um [1:13:39, 1:13:41]: do the addition of work. [1:13:42, 1:13:43]: Of a sign on this. [1:13:44, 1:13:47]: It's my understanding that they will include it. In fact, when they [1:13:47, 1:13:49]: had a conversation with the um [1:13:50, 1:13:56]: And I'll verify that, but but they mentioned that in in our conversations that we had with them. We I mean seeing we the staff. [1:13:57, 1:14:02]: And also in conversations with um a review with the planning commission that they had last week. [1:14:02, 1:14:08]: They mentioned a litany of things that are part of the overall unified development code, one of which was signage. [1:14:09, 1:14:11]: Okay, so that means then that [1:14:11, 1:14:14]: Uh the scope and the body of work was still [1:14:15, 1:14:15]: Um [1:14:16, 1:14:21]: just detail out to the one hundred thousand. So what happened to the to the fifty eight thousand? [1:14:21, 1:14:24]: That's what I'm saying. That that needs to be drastically reduced. [1:14:25, 1:14:25]: Or eliminated. [1:14:26, 1:14:27]: I think I think [1:14:28, 1:14:28]: I'm sorry. [1:14:29, 1:14:30]: No no go ahead. [1:14:31, 1:14:42]: I think you may want to uh that I would view being lar in large part included in the UDC. I think you may want to keep a small amount, a very small amount. [1:14:42, 1:14:49]: in there five to ten thousand dollars in case you wanted to look at something related to signage for specific things. [1:14:50, 1:14:53]: Um um be it um uh [1:14:54, 1:15:03]: You know, certain specialized signage you may want to look at, but overall they should handle everything with respect to signage in the unified development code. [1:15:04, 1:15:15]: So uh so is that going to be uh reflected in the final draft? Absolutely, yes, yes. Okay, uh Mr. Mayor, I I don't mean to hog uh all of the meeting. [1:15:16, 1:15:31]: Uh I just wanted to put food uh for thought to to the other council members because I just noticed at the first budget hearing there was no question coming from the elected body. And uh I'm just trying to throw something out, maybe to spark some uh discussion. [1:15:31, 1:15:32]: Uh [1:15:33, 1:15:36]: Mr. Knight, Mr. W uh Wigan, so [1:15:36, 1:15:42]: Uh in public works, there's a two hundred thousand dollar for equipment in the twenty twenty-one budget. [1:15:42, 1:15:45]: And the council approved um [1:15:45, 1:15:48]: A hundred and eleven thousand for equipment. [1:15:48, 1:15:49]: So [1:15:51, 1:15:56]: I'm I'm I'm trying to see what is the difference. And I guess what I'm leaning toward with that is [1:15:56, 1:15:58]: Uh some earmarking, if you will. [1:15:59, 1:16:03]: Uh I I think public work does a pretty good job in using the money. [1:16:03, 1:16:05]: that they have available even though [1:16:06, 1:16:26]: uh there are monies that are carried over. But I'm just gonna just mention that but I'm gonna jump to that and we can sort of uh discuss some of these things at a later date. But I just want to bring some things to your attention and maybe you can get back with me on on some of those. And I won't hog up the whole meeting. Now sure with the um unless you you know unless you just want to speak to that [1:16:26, 1:16:30]: that but and I know Mr. Aaron's probably not here. Uh he's he's here. [1:16:31, 1:16:37]: Okay. So under the uh economic development, you know, and I know you're bringing forward uh a directive [1:16:37, 1:16:40]: I did not see in the budget a a vehicle. [1:16:41, 1:16:43]: А форві директор [1:16:43, 1:16:45]: Um what is your thinking? [1:16:46, 1:16:49]: Um, you know, for that and I know with the [1:16:50, 1:16:51]: Um [1:16:52, 1:16:57]: With the facility being shared, I guess, with the economic development and maybe Main Street. [1:16:58, 1:17:01]: So and we always know that they need to be here because so [1:17:01, 1:17:07]: What what are your thoughts um on a vehicle for the uh economic development directive? [1:17:07, 1:17:16]: I think that we have a pool of vehicles that are available, uh currently available for all staff. And within that pool, I think we can accommodate. [1:17:17, 1:17:19]: All staff members. Um I I [1:17:20, 1:17:28]: I don't see a need to to move forward with a vehicle at this point. I think with the existing vehicle pool that we have, we have enough to be able to share. [1:17:28, 1:17:30]: And certainly accommodate all sta. [1:17:31, 1:17:33]: Lastly, Mr. Mayor. [1:17:33, 1:17:35]: Mr. Wigan, you mentioned [1:17:35, 1:17:37]: Uh a drastic cut in [1:17:38, 1:17:41]: Um travel and training, hospitality. [1:17:42, 1:17:43]: Maybe even uniforms. [1:17:44, 1:17:53]: Normally we we we purchase uniforms to wear uh when we go outside of the city or when we are uh actively attending. [1:17:54, 1:17:57]: uh meetings and gatherings and and those kind of things. [1:17:57, 1:18:00]: Um, I'm of the mindset to [1:18:01, 1:18:02]: Yeah. Like a clothes with block. [1:18:03, 1:18:06]: And just trim what we can because in the last discussion. [1:18:07, 1:18:11]: Um, you know, we we're talking about, you know, scratching for every penny. [1:18:11, 1:18:14]: that we could come up with to to fund these major projects. [1:18:15, 1:18:18]: And I'm just of the ones of not putting [1:18:18, 1:18:21]: Um fat on the table for us just to misuse. [1:18:22, 1:18:26]: So my my last question is so in the final draft of the budget. [1:18:27, 1:18:28]: Um [1:18:29, 1:18:31]: How much more cutting was the knight in? [1:18:31, 1:18:33]: Are you going to cut? [1:18:34, 1:18:37]: Uh and present to council in that final draft. [1:18:38, 1:18:47]: Well, there'll be some and we're gonna go through it uh myself with Mr. Wiggins. We'll go through it line by line, department dot department, as we've done before when we had to reduce it. [1:18:47, 1:18:52]: uh basically from over fifteen million or about fifteen million dollars down to twelve point eight [1:18:53, 1:18:55]: from the time of the budget retreat until now. [1:18:56, 1:19:03]: And so we'll go over it again. One of the items that I mentioned was determining what would happen with the bonding situation. [1:19:03, 1:19:05]: And how that might impact. [1:19:05, 1:19:10]: um the general fund portion of the budget. Now we we obviously have an an answer to that. [1:19:10, 1:19:13]: But we'll as a matter of course go back through [1:19:13, 1:19:15]: And examine everything again. [1:19:15, 1:19:20]: And many of the things that you talked about and and I think is we're aware of with respect to [1:19:21, 1:19:23]: The budget in in the pandemic situation. [1:19:24, 1:19:36]: uh related to many items, um travel, training, hospitality, all of those different things. We won't see um in in the in the early part, if not the first half of 20 or 2021. [1:19:37, 1:19:40]: And so those things in particular, yes, we will go back and scrutinize again. [1:19:41, 1:19:45]: Um, as well as all of the various other line items in the budget to make sure we've got [1:19:46, 1:19:52]: budget that we think is solid, realistic, and also they can accommodate the needs and service provision to citizens. So [1:19:53, 1:19:59]: Yes, I would expect that we're gonna do some more producing. And and and to that and to that end. [1:19:59, 1:20:03]: Uh we'll make sure well in advance of the um [1:20:04, 1:20:08]: next budget hearing and adoption, we provide that information back to the council. [1:20:08, 1:20:11]: Well that that's what I was getting ready to ask so we can [1:20:11, 1:20:26]: um give out input rather than um tying up the meeting like I'm doing right now. So Mr. Mayor and Council, I thank you for indulging me too and Mr. Wigan uh to ask these questions. Uh I yield back, Mr. Mayor. All right, no problem. Councilwoman Barber, go ahead, please. [1:20:30, 1:20:44]: My question was directly related to the um capital equipment that public works um just awarded a contract at our last meeting. Is Mr. Aaron able to speak? I see he's on. [1:20:46, 1:20:49]: Ms. Aaron. Yeah, yeah, he's able. Yes, Councilmember Barber. [1:20:49, 1:20:51]: Okay. Um so [1:20:52, 1:20:56]: With the capital equipment that you just awarded a contract with. [1:20:58, 1:21:02]: It was over a hundred thousand dollars. So next year. [1:21:02, 1:21:07]: Are you also projecting to spend that amount of money on lawn equipment as well? [1:21:08, 1:21:17]: Councilmember Barber, the amount we spent was$77,000 to replace equipment that we currently had that was outdated. [1:21:17, 1:21:31]: This budget is for those eight employees. If council approved the budget that will be coming on board, they will need some equipment to be able to use and function in those positions. Right now there is no equipment if those people come on board. [1:21:32, 1:21:33]: for them to use. [1:21:33, 1:21:37]: So the contract award we made at our last meeting. [1:21:38, 1:21:40]: Um for lawn equipment. [1:21:42, 1:21:51]: What was that for? Those moors that were replacing moors in public works, you were replacing moors in the water department and you were replacing more than the sewer department. [1:21:52, 1:21:52]: Those are [1:21:53, 1:21:56]: replacing equipment that is beyond his useful life. [1:21:58, 1:22:02]: And so that's what we were doing it in with those funds. [1:22:03, 1:22:09]: But the money that is in the FY twenty twenty one budget is for the additional staff that's coming on board. [1:22:13, 1:22:13]: Okay. [1:22:15, 1:22:15]: Okay. [1:22:16, 1:22:25]: Um, one more question. Thank you, Mr. Aaron. Um, Mr. Knighton, as we begin the conversations about establishing a police department, I'm just looking at the budget here. [1:22:25, 1:22:26]: Um [1:22:26, 1:22:29]: Will it be coming out of the general fund? [1:22:30, 1:22:30]: Well it. [1:22:31, 1:22:37]: Um it may. I do have a thought about that, um, of how um perhaps we can handle that. [1:22:38, 1:22:39]: Um in term [1:22:40, 1:22:41]: Oh, sorry, go ahead. [1:22:41, 1:22:52]: I was looking at the line items under police administration that we have here already for extra duty officers from Henry County. That's right. Same account that we [1:22:53, 1:22:55]: anticipate using as well. [1:22:56, 1:23:03]: Uh we we could use that account. I might propose using a different account simply because I think the function of [1:23:03, 1:23:05]: the that particular account. [1:23:06, 1:23:10]: is for off duty officers for for the special events that we have. [1:23:11, 1:23:22]: for city hall, for other additional security. I think if the if we move toward a police department situation and want to provide monies in the budget, we probably should separate that out. [1:23:23, 1:23:24]: Specifically. [1:23:24, 1:23:26]: into a different line item. [1:23:26, 1:23:31]: Okay. But well yeah,'cause'cause what what what we can do is um [1:23:32, 1:23:34]: It'll be different account numbers. [1:23:34, 1:23:38]: And those the account numbers that you're looking at right now in police administration budget. [1:23:39, 1:23:40]: They would go dormant. [1:23:41, 1:23:43]: And then you won't you won't see him anymore. [1:23:43, 1:23:44]: A ver si [1:23:44, 1:23:48]: Unless we're doing some more outsourcing, but I doubt that if you get your own police department [1:23:48, 1:23:52]: You'll see a whole nother new uh uh group of account numbers. [1:23:52, 1:23:54]: 'Cause we'll have to stay within the uniform code. [1:23:55, 1:23:58]: uh of account chart of accounts with the uh state of Georgia. [1:23:59, 1:23:59]: Oh. [1:23:59, 1:24:03]: Let me make the care clarification as we go through next year twenty twenty one. [1:24:04, 1:24:14]: Well we'll still need to have the police services account you're referencing, uh, Councilwoman Barber. But I'm saying we we probably if it's the council's will to create a new account. [1:24:15, 1:24:17]: For uh police department. [1:24:17, 1:24:21]: um startup, if you will, or police department formation. [1:24:21, 1:24:22]: Another separate account for that. [1:24:23, 1:24:23]: Okay. [1:24:23, 1:24:25]: Thank you. That's all. [1:24:26, 1:24:28]: Customer Alexander, go ahead, please. [1:24:28, 1:24:46]: Yes, thank you so much. I appreciate uh Mayor Pro Tem's uh surgical precision on analyzing the budget. I leave that you know, I I I know I can trust him with that because he's gonna align that budget and he's gonna make sure that it's tight. So I certainly appreciate that and I appreciate um [1:24:47, 1:24:55]: Councilwoman Barber's comments on and concern about the police department. I've been very much in support of a Stockbridge Police Department. [1:24:56, 1:24:58]: I would I would have voted I voted for one. [1:24:59, 1:25:01]: Uh every time it was proposed. [1:25:01, 1:25:06]: And I certainly would vote for one today to make sure that we're moving forward. [1:25:06, 1:25:11]: uh with that and uh I'm glad that the uh consensus of the council now [1:25:11, 1:25:13]: Is that we want to move forward. [1:25:13, 1:25:22]: uh providing our citizens with a Starkbridge police department. I wish we would have got there earlier, but I'm glad that we finally arrived at that particular point. [1:25:22, 1:25:26]: And I know that we have the people in position uh under Mr. Knighton. [1:25:26, 1:25:28]: That's going to execute that. [1:25:28, 1:25:45]: uh i on a second on a secondary conversation that i've had with mr. knight, I want you to kind of explain to the public, uh, you know, I think Councilwoman Barber's been leading the charge on beautification uh in the city, but our discussion [1:25:45, 1:25:53]: In terms of North Henry Boulevard, and I was while uh we were discussing a comprehensive beautification plan. [1:25:54, 1:26:13]: for North Henry Boulevard. And I think your suggestions versus having it in the general fund budget was to put it in the capital improvement budget. So talk about the differences between the two and and so that folks understand that we're serious about moving forward with this uh with uh with the appearance of the city. [1:26:13, 1:26:18]: Right. I think uh yeah, Councilman Alexander, gener in in in general terms. [1:26:18, 1:26:27]: You wanna keep a general fund budget uh dedicated to your your day-to-day operations of city government, the things that it takes to actually run a city. [1:26:28, 1:26:40]: various departments as alluded to earlier, public works, you know, your code enforcement development services, um, and your other additional staff, those items that it takes to actually run the government on a day-to-day basis. [1:26:40, 1:26:46]: Uh for beautification, a large scale beautification project that you're talking about with respect to North Henry Boulevard or even 138. [1:26:47, 1:26:58]: Uh, that's better sit situated in a capital improvement plan or capital budget where you would normally dedicate a different funding sources toward like fund balance, like SPLOSS, like even bonding. [1:26:58, 1:27:04]: Uh, because those are essentially one time expenses. If you wanted to do a beautification project that was [1:27:05, 1:27:11]: $50,000 or$100,000, that's more of a one-time expense that you would expend at that amount. [1:27:12, 1:27:25]: And so you would not want to place that in your general fund budget because that would uh provide some constraints on your general fund budget and it would be a essentially a a one-term thing and you would want to use a different funding source. [1:27:25, 1:27:27]: And so those are the reasons why you would typically [1:27:28, 1:27:35]: um uh differentiate those type projects, understanding the council's desire and and a wish to [1:27:35, 1:27:42]: uh enhance the city, uh to uh beautify the city and even create some scre potential streetscape. [1:27:42, 1:27:45]: Scenarios on some of our major corridors. [1:27:46, 1:27:47]: Mm-hmm. All right. Thank you. [1:27:48, 1:27:55]: Any other questions, Council, for uh Mr. Knight or Mr. Wiggins? Uh Councilwoman Barber, go ahead please. [1:27:55, 1:28:03]: Um Mr. Knighton, with the adding that separate account for establishing a police department, you're gonna add um that. [1:28:04, 1:28:08]: extra line item for that for the third reading of the budget. [1:28:12, 1:28:22]: Yes. And I think that um yes, that would be included in the third reading in the budget. And I think um obviously as we talk about a town hall, I think that'll be an interesting conversation to have. [1:28:22, 1:28:31]: um uh after you know that comp town hall essentially uh have that third reading. But yes, that would be something that would be included in third uh hearing. [1:28:32, 1:28:33]: Okay, thank you. [1:28:34, 1:28:37]: Okay, any other questions from Ms. once again, Mr. Knighton or Mr. Wiggins? [1:28:38, 1:28:50]: Okay, if not, then I this is a public hearing, so I need to open this up. And uh so um so I'd like to open it up for public hearing if there are any comments uh from the public. [1:28:50, 1:29:05]: uh for uh the actual current proposed budget for twenty twenty one. And I have to see whether or not uh Miss Holiday or our IT have anything or somehow any information there for anybody, let anybody speak. [1:29:05, 1:29:12]: We do have one attendee hand raised. Do you really? Okay. [1:29:12, 1:29:16]: Okay, so I let'em in or her in, whoever it is. [1:29:22, 1:29:23]: Asked a person named Corey. [1:29:24, 1:29:25]: That's correct. [1:29:26, 1:29:32]: Okay, Corey, uh unmute yourself. What is your question or concern? This is a for the current budget. [1:29:33, 1:29:34]: Comment [1:29:39, 1:29:40]: You need to unmute yourself, Corey. [1:29:42, 1:29:42]: I think [1:29:43, 1:29:48]: We have to do that just no. Okay, fine. Then uh did I two get uh what's that, Robert? Yes. [1:29:49, 1:29:50]: Robert, you gotta unmute Corey. [1:30:02, 1:30:04]: That is the only key. [1:30:04, 1:30:08]: Looks like I I can only ask to unmute. I can't physically unmute. [1:30:09, 1:30:13]: Okay, you can okay, go ahead and do that. Um [1:30:13, 1:30:15]: Audio only, please. [1:30:21, 1:30:22]: Mm. [1:30:30, 1:30:33]: Yeah, that's only let me ask. I cannot physically. [1:30:33, 1:30:35]: That's fine. Um audio only, please. [1:30:37, 1:30:43]: Mr. Mayor, in the QA section below, he's reporting that he does not have a microphone. [1:30:44, 1:30:48]: It he he's been up he's been upgraded, so he'll he'll be able to [1:30:49, 1:30:49]: To speak. [1:30:50, 1:30:57]: Oh, you mean on his computer? On his computer. That's what it looks like. He's saying he's he's saying he wants clarification on. [1:30:57, 1:31:07]: The first question he asked, I think that was about the the downtown development authority. He he's the person who had the comments the initially. [1:31:07, 1:31:10]: Okay. Well this portion is only for the budget. [1:31:11, 1:31:13]: And that she's correct about that. [1:31:13, 1:31:25]: They uh mentioned earlier in the early in the meeting that uh that Mr. Knight will give a a formal response to that and then we'll make sure the public response is. So this is the same guy that uh uh [1:31:25, 1:31:27]: They had the public comment originally. Is that what you're saying? [1:31:28, 1:31:30]: I believe that's the case, yes, sir. [1:31:31, 1:31:31]: Okay. [1:31:32, 1:31:33]: All right. [1:31:34, 1:31:36]: Well, can you hear us? I'm assuming, right? [1:31:38, 1:31:38]: I [1:31:40, 1:31:43]: I assume because he he uh he [1:31:43, 1:31:50]: Put it poster. I added the comment about have not having a microphone, so I believe you can hear us, so you should be able to. All right, let's see here. [1:31:53, 1:31:54]: All right. [1:31:55, 1:31:58]: But he has not made a subsequent comment. [1:31:59, 1:31:59]: All right. [1:32:00, 1:32:08]: And he w that was four. That was a four. I said four. So that was four um the actual proposal of the budget proposal. [1:32:09, 1:32:09]: Um [1:32:10, 1:32:28]: All right, well we're gonna have to follow up. This is the same guy. We have to follow up with him uh somehow afterwards and get back to the community as a reference to that response then, because I don't know how else we can proceed on this uh with this gentleman in this aspect. And the IT can't uh get him he doesn't have a mic, so in this aspect. [1:32:29, 1:32:36]: Well, how about any is anybody out there for that's opposed the the actual uh budget, 2021 budget? [1:32:37, 1:32:41]: In the opposition. I'm assuming this gentleman Corey is the only one period all for or against. [1:32:42, 1:33:02]: Okay, well if that's the case. That's correct. Well, if that's good, we have to get back to him and I'll close the actual public hearing in this case. And next month when we do this, we're gonna have to get a little more redefined on how we can do this and make sure that people have for or against comments that are able to do this. No problem. Yeah, I'm not sure that it was on our end, Mayor, from what I understand. [1:33:02, 1:33:03]: Okay. [1:33:04, 1:33:04]: All right. [1:33:05, 1:33:08]: That's correct. He did not have a mic so he could not uh [1:33:08, 1:33:09]: Participate in the comments. [1:33:11, 1:33:17]: All right. And it's coming it was actually based on something else and not on the budget anyway. Is that correct? It's my understanding. [1:33:18, 1:33:21]: Correct. All right. Okay. We're going to um [1:33:22, 1:33:34]: We're gonna move on. And obviously folks, uh we'll have this public hearing for the third time in December 14th, and then we'll we'll vote on it uh at that time once we have a public hearing comments. So we'll go to new uh new business. [1:33:35, 1:33:42]: Uh council consideration approved city's uh twenty twenty-one meeting dates. Miss uh holiday, please. [1:33:43, 1:33:45]: Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. [1:33:46, 1:33:50]: What I have uh tonight is the twenty twenty one meeting calendar. [1:33:51, 1:33:53]: That will be published in uh the city's legal [1:33:54, 1:33:55]: Oregon The Henry Herald. [1:33:56, 1:34:05]: And what it establishes is the meeting schedule for the city council, the planning commission, the Main Street Advisory Board, the Downtown Development Authority. [1:34:05, 1:34:11]: Youth Council, Youth Council Advisory Committee, Public Facilities Authority, and Urban Redevelopment Authority. [1:34:12, 1:34:25]: And each of these entities, uh with the exception of the mayor and council, which um we're looking to do tonight, has at their board meetings or committee meetings approved their meeting schedule. And that's what you have included in your packet tonight. [1:34:26, 1:34:26]: Right. [1:34:27, 1:34:34]: So I guess uh what we need to do is have a motion to accept this uh this aspect, uh, council, unless you have any questions for Miss Holliday. [1:34:35, 1:34:37]: There's no questions, is there a motion to accept this? [1:34:39, 1:34:42]: Okay, Miss Barber, is there a second? [1:34:45, 1:34:46]: Is there a second? [1:34:47, 1:34:47]: Second. [1:34:48, 1:34:48]: All right. [1:34:49, 1:34:50]: Any further discussion? [1:34:51, 1:34:53]: If not all in favor, please indicate. [1:34:55, 1:35:07]: Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. Approved all the way around. We'll get that published. Thank you very much. Council consideration to approve the twenty twenty one agenda timeline. Ms. Holliday, please. [1:35:08, 1:35:13]: Mayor Council, what I have presented here tonight is the agenda deadline. [1:35:13, 1:35:16]: for the council meetings and the [1:35:17, 1:35:20]: agenda deadlines for the work session and what that is is [1:35:20, 1:35:26]: when items and documents are to be uploaded into the city's agenda management. [1:35:26, 1:35:27]: tall [1:35:27, 1:35:34]: um for us to be able to present it to mayor council uh prior to the meeting. And there is a schedule attached to that and it's in your packet. [1:35:35, 1:35:55]: All right, Councilman Alexander. Thank you, Mr. Holiday. Council Councilman Alexander, it seemed like you had your hand up, sir. Uh see, I I I would like to have a discussion about this particular issue because I understand the documents are from the staff side, but I think what really happens is it cuts off uh ideas for us to be able to move. [1:35:55, 1:35:59]: move in a nimble fashion besides going back to [1:35:59, 1:36:01]: Uh amend the agenda. [1:36:02, 1:36:04]: Uh I think that um [1:36:04, 1:36:08]: You know, if there's a comprehensive item or something like that. [1:36:09, 1:36:09]: then [1:36:09, 1:36:12]: It might require some extra time, but [1:36:12, 1:36:14]: I don't understand. Um [1:36:14, 1:36:15]: What? [1:36:15, 1:36:16]: Yeah. [1:36:16, 1:36:21]: Someone got us all the documents that are necessary for a particular meeting. [1:36:21, 1:36:24]: Seven or eight days out. Why? [1:36:24, 1:36:26]: Wouldn't that be um [1:36:27, 1:36:28]: uh able to be [1:36:29, 1:36:35]: uh turned around because I mean literally we amend the agenda at a meeting where [1:36:36, 1:36:38]: Uh no person. [1:36:38, 1:36:39]: No notice. [1:36:39, 1:36:58]: Because we're trying to get things on there. So if we were able to add items up to uh seven or eight days out, it would cut down the amount of amending the agenda. I think that that that is my thought process on that. And um, you know, I just I really think that [1:36:58, 1:37:03]: Uh we just we gotta be able to put the emphasis on [1:37:03, 1:37:06]: The staff members to be able to get [1:37:06, 1:37:09]: the information to the clerk's office, I think [1:37:10, 1:37:17]: Uh maybe some of this time window is reserved for that information coming to the clerk's office incomplete. [1:37:18, 1:37:34]: and needing some extra time to go back and flesh out those documents when in an actuality of everything was presented uh concisely and appropriately the first time, then we probably could cut that window down. Uh I that is uh [1:37:34, 1:37:37]: I mean that are my thoughts on it. I'm not sure what [1:37:37, 1:37:40]: The other council members think about it, but [1:37:40, 1:37:44]: I think you know it will really help us as elected officials. [1:37:44, 1:37:48]: uh be better at informing the public. [1:37:48, 1:38:03]: rather than having to the amend the agenda uh at the meeting. And I do understand there's gonna be times where we have to uh amend the agenda uh at the meeting because we we're missing certain dates. And I wouldn't expect [1:38:05, 1:38:10]: And I think hopefully this has not been happening, but I think this hope this may be a fear. [1:38:10, 1:38:15]: Of uh the clerk's office that if the date is cut down to [1:38:16, 1:38:22]: seven days or eight days or whatever that may be, then all the documents come rushing in. [1:38:23, 1:38:32]: Day eight and day seven. So maybe we should have, you know, routine and uh r uh everyday items uh set at [1:38:33, 1:38:49]: uh 14 days and then maybe a shorter tight window on other items. I just want to make sure that we're not sitting this day arbitrarily because people aren't executing at the level that they need to getting these documents to the clerk's office. [1:38:49, 1:38:56]: Well, I would tell you since you're done with that, I would tell you, I'll get you in a second, Kirk. I would tell you that I like the timeline personally like the timeline the way it is. [1:38:56, 1:38:58]: And I have to admit to you. [1:38:58, 1:39:04]: I had a brief conversation with you earlier, Councilman Alexander. I don't particularly care for the constant changes we make on the agenda on the same night. [1:39:04, 1:39:06]: Sometimes that is needed. [1:39:06, 1:39:19]: But uh we've done that too routinely, especially when you've done it the middle or the end of the meeting. To me it's not a good practice and we fall into that pre particular practice and I particularly don't care for it. But but if the council desires that, then obviously I got to comply. [1:39:19, 1:39:37]: But in reference to the timeline that uh that the the clerk said, I think we need to adhere to that because she's got to get information and post it on onto the uh website for the public to know what we're talking about. And I think that's what she's gonna emphasize. I'll be quiet and allow the clerk to speak. Go ahead, clerk, please. [1:39:37, 1:39:43]: Uh thank you, Mayor. Yes, that that is one of the um matters. In addition to that, the council approved. [1:39:44, 1:39:47]: Um a meeting schedule that where we are required [1:39:48, 1:39:52]: based on what you all approved to get you the information one week prior. [1:39:52, 1:39:53]: to your meeting. [1:39:54, 1:39:56]: Which means we have to have everything up. [1:39:56, 1:40:04]: loaded and in and if you um in that window that you were referring to uh the seven to eight day [1:40:04, 1:40:12]: You need to have the information out and published for the public, in addition to having the information in the hands of the council. [1:40:13, 1:40:22]: Um so you there is a resolution on file where you all gave us the directive to have the information to you a week prior. So this timeline [1:40:23, 1:40:30]: Allows for staff to get the information in. And there are occasions, and I work with the city manager on this uh daily. [1:40:30, 1:40:38]: Where there are matters that do need to come to the agenda that are a little bit outside this timeline and we manage to get the information. [1:40:39, 1:40:45]: uploaded and in, but the having it done on the day of the meeting, amending the agenda as you say. [1:40:45, 1:40:47]: Um does not [1:40:47, 1:40:54]: allow us to have had that information made public to the citizens prior to that. [1:40:55, 1:41:05]: That's that's all I had to say on that. Okay, thank you. Any any other comments? Yeah. Go go right in, please, sir. Yeah, I I I think that um uh that the getting those documents um [1:41:06, 1:41:14]: To the clerk's office on time would definitely help. And let me say this. And um, I know there was a resolution passed. I think that. [1:41:15, 1:41:15]: Or a [1:41:16, 1:41:17]: Fala C. [1:41:17, 1:41:30]: p uh statement that passed that outlined fourteen days. I thought it was a mistake at the time and I still still think that it's a mistake today. Even if we don't go with seven days, maybe we won't go with ten. [1:41:30, 1:41:31]: But [1:41:31, 1:41:33]: To allow us to nimbly move. [1:41:34, 1:41:37]: Because I'm looking at the date in January. M uh um [1:41:38, 1:41:43]: But Miss Holliday, give us the dates in Jan what's the cutoff date in January for the work session? [1:41:44, 1:41:48]: Well the work session the um it's Friday, January eighth. [1:41:49, 1:41:57]: Right. So the work session is what day? January twenty-sixth. Right. So the twenty-sixth. So that's literally almost I mean, it's not quite three weeks. [1:41:57, 1:42:08]: But that's almost three weeks before we starting early in January, right after the turn of the year. In order for us to get something on the end of January, we gotta literally have it in by January the eighth. [1:42:09, 1:42:09]: So [1:42:09, 1:42:29]: Uh I don't know why is it could because I mean that's not I mean I guess the the rule was two weeks, so why would that one be extended out so long where it's exactly where this twenty eight to the eighth, that's like twenty you said the eighth and then the twenty-eighth or the twenty sixth? I I will tell you how I will tell you how it was initially set up when I [1:42:29, 1:42:31]: I when it was created. [1:42:31, 1:42:41]: We were using the work session at that time as a work session. And then the items were going before the council to be voted on at your Monday meeting. [1:42:42, 1:42:46]: And many of those items that have been discussed at your prior work session. [1:42:47, 1:42:49]: were able to be moved to a consent agenda. [1:42:50, 1:43:01]: And then the other items voted on in a regular manner, but it was initially established with you discussing most items at your work session and then moving those items. [1:43:01, 1:43:03]: over to your [1:43:03, 1:43:05]: uh regular Monday meeting. [1:43:06, 1:43:09]: Yeah. Well let me say this, uh [1:43:09, 1:43:18]: No, I mean I'm not gonna s I mean this i if if it g if this boat went either way, it's not gonna bother me uh too much. But I just want to understand [1:43:18, 1:43:20]: How we get um [1:43:20, 1:43:22]: These long extended [1:43:23, 1:43:43]: uh terms on these particular issues. Cause literally, uh again, that that particular window, maybe it's that particular date that actually caught my eye because it was so far out. But um, you know, maybe we might be able to adjust some of them and get down to uh 14 days. But if if if we got if everybody got [1:43:43, 1:43:50]: you the documents ten days out, would you be able to would you be able to would would would that be would that be good enough? [1:43:52, 1:43:53]: Published to the public. [1:43:54, 1:43:56]: If they got you everything that you needed. [1:44:00, 1:44:20]: I think he's asking the question you, Miss Holliday. I I would I I I I'm I'm pondering. I promise you I'm pondering. I know you are because see the thing about it is there's always some human error or something like things don't come in on time. [1:44:20, 1:44:25]: There are many municipalities that have their agenda puppets two to three weeks out. [1:44:26, 1:44:29]: Um and having it one week prior. [1:44:30, 1:44:31]: Um [1:44:33, 1:44:45]: That's that's just that that it's it's the council's discretion. I'll just leave it at that. This will be this is at the council's discretion. Well, I will I will let it I will leave it there. I have said what I needed to say and I'll let the council make the decision, yeah. [1:44:46, 1:44:49]: Uh Council Barber, did you have your hand up hand up earlier? [1:44:49, 1:44:59]: Yeah. Um on one hand I'm looking at this as, well, the council, we only need this um seven days in advance. [1:44:59, 1:45:01]: But then on the other hand. [1:45:01, 1:45:04]: I'm looking at the schedule and the fact that [1:45:04, 1:45:07]: Councilman Alexander made a really good point. [1:45:07, 1:45:10]: with our work session scheduled for January twenty sixth. [1:45:11, 1:45:11]: Mm. [1:45:12, 1:45:15]: Deadline for the agenda is January 8th. [1:45:17, 1:45:17]: Death. [1:45:17, 1:45:20]: Almost three weeks. Um [1:45:20, 1:45:23]: It's almost as if [1:45:23, 1:45:26]: There is a operation issue. [1:45:27, 1:45:29]: And a council issue. [1:45:29, 1:45:31]: The council just wants [1:45:31, 1:45:32]: The agenda [1:45:33, 1:45:35]: Within seven days prior to the meeting. [1:45:37, 1:45:41]: What staff needs to do to compile those documents. [1:45:42, 1:45:44]: I would just think we would leave that to [1:45:45, 1:45:46]: Mr. Knighton. [1:45:46, 1:45:55]: And the city clerk to address. But I understand the city clerk's um comment she just made about the consent agenda. So [1:45:56, 1:45:57]: Now [1:45:58, 1:45:58]: I don't know. [1:46:00, 1:46:02]: I don't know how to look it. Go ahead, please. [1:46:02, 1:46:07]: Okay, so my question would be to when the items go on the agenda. [1:46:07, 1:46:09]: And if you have one week. [1:46:10, 1:46:13]: Does that give you sufficient time? [1:46:14, 1:46:15]: To ask [1:46:16, 1:46:20]: questions of the city manager or whatever staff member you may need to address those to. [1:46:21, 1:46:23]: That's was that's built into that as well. [1:46:24, 1:46:30]: Because a lot of times just you don't get the agenda published to you yet, but you know what items may be forthcoming. [1:46:30, 1:46:34]: So does that give you enough time to get back with the city manager? [1:46:35, 1:46:38]: or whatever staff member word he may have to get back with. [1:46:39, 1:46:40]: prior to the meeting. [1:46:41, 1:46:45]: W with with with all due respect. And I think the clerk is doing a great job. [1:46:45, 1:47:05]: I think we normally don't get these books until I mean a few days ahead of time because somebody's lacking. Okay. Not you. I'm just gonna say that right now. You're not holding up the books and we generally don't get those books seven days out. So that has been my whole point. So I would ask that maybe can we table this one and then maybe look at [1:47:05, 1:47:16]: what the optimum time might be to cut some of the days off. Could we possibly do that? Before we do that, I think we need to go around the horn here. Councilman Barber, you finished with your question. [1:47:16, 1:47:18]: Councilman Blount, go ahead, please. [1:47:18, 1:47:24]: Yeah, uh I think the per the people that that would get the agendas out and get the paperwork in, uh if that's working for [1:47:25, 1:47:28]: We've working for the clerk and everybody else, and at any given time. [1:47:29, 1:47:33]: As you see, we could be at the end of a meeting and the council can can can motion to amend the agenda. [1:47:34, 1:47:39]: So those powers and stuff still remains and w so we're we're basically talking somatics right now. So [1:47:40, 1:47:43]: Uh I'd like to make a motion to uh to approve the uh um [1:47:44, 1:47:45]: Prove the schedule now. [1:47:47, 1:47:52]: We're going round around a circle on something that we have the power to change and do at any given time during the course of a meeting. [1:47:53, 1:47:54]: Is there a second to the motion? [1:47:57, 1:47:58]: Okay. [1:47:58, 1:48:05]: Okay, Councilman Barber seconds that motion. Further discussion, Memphis Pro Tem Thomas, I uh you sir, I must have missed you. Have you any comments, sir? [1:48:05, 1:48:09]: Well, I want to ask Mr. Knight historically [1:48:09, 1:48:12]: Um, staff [1:48:12, 1:48:14]: have been late [1:48:15, 1:48:18]: in getting information to the clerk. [1:48:19, 1:48:21]: And I think that goes back to [1:48:22, 1:48:24]: Uh, I wanted to ask Mr. Nine. [1:48:24, 1:48:29]: I do believe though if if information comes in uh on time [1:48:30, 1:48:31]: Uh it could be compiled. [1:48:32, 1:48:35]: Uh council could ask that questions, it could be published. [1:48:36, 1:48:41]: I think the key though is is just getting it in on time from from staff. Staff. [1:48:41, 1:48:45]: But I'm willing to uh to vote in favor of the way it is now, but [1:48:45, 1:48:48]: Historically, that's been the problem, I think. Um [1:48:49, 1:48:53]: You know, uh I know the city attorney is is on this line and so [1:48:53, 1:48:59]: you know, being able to just get, you know, documents from the city attorney, trying to get it from other staff members. [1:49:00, 1:49:07]: Um and I know sometime there are things and Mr. William can sort of speak to that. Sometimes that there's um other reasons why. [1:49:07, 1:49:09]: You know, things are just not coming in. I know [1:49:10, 1:49:12]: You may be waiting on a response from somewhere else. [1:49:13, 1:49:16]: That may cause the backup, you know, just going forward, but [1:49:16, 1:49:21]: I'm okay with the way it is now, but I think we just a have to adhere to the schedule. [1:49:22, 1:49:29]: and uh not wait till the last minute to get this get this information to the clerk. I think that's the problem. We we we procrastinate. [1:49:29, 1:49:30]: I think that's the problem. [1:49:31, 1:49:33]: Uh Mr. Knighton, please, go ahead. [1:49:34, 1:49:38]: Um I was gonna mention maybe Miss Holiday actually we're gonna mention too. We've actually instituted [1:49:39, 1:49:41]: Um a uh through civic clerk. [1:49:42, 1:49:43]: Um a [1:49:43, 1:49:43]: Eight. [1:49:44, 1:49:53]: program by which staff members now have to submit their items for the um for the agenda. So it's all automated. [1:49:53, 1:50:02]: They have to actually input those items now. There's a fit, there's a a stop mechanism in there where it won't accept agenda items after a certain date as a cutoff. [1:50:02, 1:50:08]: Now it could be override, you know, the system could be, you know, an override, you know, by myself, the city manager or something like that. [1:50:09, 1:50:14]: Um so we're moving along those lines to make sure that there is a [1:50:14, 1:50:34]: a more rigid schedule that the um staff members have to adhere to to make sure that those items do get on time. And actually I think it's been a good tool. We've been I think for the last couple of meetings maybe we've had that moving forward and we'll have it moving forward um you know in the future. And obviously there was some training that everybody [1:50:34, 1:50:46]: Had to go through and so forth. So there's a more rigid schedule in mind there. So I think that some of those issues will be addressed just by virtue of that. I will mention this, and I have to uh as a matter. [1:50:46, 1:50:51]: of you know what we're dealing with all these projects that we're dealing with. And obviously by virtue of the bonding issue. [1:50:51, 1:50:57]: Earlier. There are times when there are going to be issues that come up with respect to construction projects. [1:50:58, 1:50:59]: That I may have to get to you. [1:51:00, 1:51:01]: And it may be beyond. [1:51:02, 1:51:09]: That I mean, that'll be the exception, not the rule. It may be on that deadline because it's absolutely necessary for the project. [1:51:09, 1:51:17]: To continue at its pace and not wait another three weeks for another meeting or something of that nature. I would think that you would want to move those items forward. [1:51:18, 1:51:25]: Again, that's the exception, not the rule, but I just I have to mention that just because those situations may arise. [1:51:26, 1:51:27]: All right, Miss Holliday, please. [1:51:28, 1:51:40]: I was just gonna say that um I will have to uh say that Mr. Knighton has gone the back for the clerk's office and getting behind staff to help get information in promptly. It has improved. [1:51:40, 1:51:50]: Um, I know that somebody may have mentioned that it hadn't been coming, but we have made sure in this year twenty twenty that we get the information to you within a week's time. [1:51:50, 1:52:04]: Mr. Alexander, thank you, ma'am. Mr. Alexander, you know you've already spoken a couple of times. You mentioned this before already in the conversation. Motion motion's been made, it's been second. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. All in favor of the motion. [1:52:04, 1:52:05]: No fair emotion. [1:52:06, 1:52:11]: Uh Mr. Blount, what happened to Mr. Blount here? All the favorite motion. Okay, third. Okay. All the favorite motion. All opposed. [1:52:12, 1:52:13]: Sustain. [1:52:13, 1:52:22]: I'm not I'm uh uh it doesn't really matter to me. I just wanted to get out there. Three zero one. Let's let's move on. Thank you. Three zero one. All right. [1:52:22, 1:52:27]: All right, uh Council consideration approved the twenty twenty one council initiative calendar. [1:52:27, 1:52:29]: Uh Miss Pearson, please. [1:52:29, 1:52:36]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. I have for you the proposed 2021 Council Initiative Calendar. [1:52:37, 1:52:43]: And on this calendar we have all the initiatives for you, the mayor and the council that have been presented to me. [1:52:44, 1:52:47]: Okay. Council, any questions for Miss Pearson at all? [1:52:49, 1:52:54]: And if not in a motion to go ahead and approve this particular council initiative calendar for twenty twenty one. [1:52:55, 1:52:56]: Um [1:52:56, 1:52:59]: So move, Barber, so move. Second. Is there a second? [1:52:59, 1:53:00]: Exactly. [1:53:00, 1:53:01]: All right, good. Any further discussion? [1:53:02, 1:53:05]: If not, all in favor of the council initiative calendar for next year, please indicate. [1:53:06, 1:53:17]: Okay, uh okay, great. Unanimous decision. Fantastic. Thank you, Ms. Pearson. And actually, Miss Pearson, on that note, um, I believe you can go ahead and unless Miss Halliday needs you, I believe you can go ahead and part for tonight. [1:53:17, 1:53:21]: Good night. All right. Good night. Thank you. Take care of yourself. All right. [1:53:22, 1:53:28]: Council consideration to approve annual stormwater uh model ordinance. Mr. Aaron, please. [1:53:28, 1:53:30]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Just coming [1:53:31, 1:53:33]: before you tonight to ask for your approval. [1:53:34, 1:53:54]: The uh periodically, the EPD and the Metropolitan North Georgia Water Planning District revises their ordinances, and the stormwater ordinance has been revised, and all of the members of the North Georgia Water Planning District have to adopt this ordinance. So we're coming before you tonight to ask you to adopt this ordinance. It has to be adopted before December. [1:53:54, 1:53:55]: December fifth, twenty twenty. [1:53:57, 1:54:00]: All right, thank you, Mr. Aaron. Any questions for Mr. Aaron Council at all? [1:54:02, 1:54:22]: Well, I I have something for you, Mr. Aaron. I know you know uh it we have to adopt the ordinance. Typically it didn't have any meat and potatoes in reference to all this. I mean you gave a brief explanation. I know on the cover sheet it wasn't kind of filled out like normal cover sheets are. I was kind of curious about that. I actually had a brief conversation with Mr. Knight about it the other day. I was just kind of [1:54:22, 1:54:27]: Yeah, I don't know if there's anything else you can elaborate on this. I mean, I don't know if anybody else had any questions or not, but [1:54:27, 1:54:35]: I was just kinda wondering you said we have to do this part of the process anyway, but uh I don't know if there's anything else you can add. That's all. [1:54:36, 1:54:56]: The ordinance just uh improves some post-development planning requirements and stormwater management requirements. So they revise those processes and procedures for post-development after a subdivision or a site is developed. There's some things that they're requiring you to do with the stormwater that originates from the [1:54:55, 1:55:00]: site. So this ordinance is updated to capture those requirements. [1:55:01, 1:55:06]: All right. If there's no other questions for the council, I need a motion to accept this particular proposal, this ordinance proposal. [1:55:08, 1:55:08]: Is there a motion? [1:55:11, 1:55:11]: Is there a motion? [1:55:12, 1:55:13]: S so move. [1:55:14, 1:55:23]: Was there a second? Councilman Alexander is there a second. Councilwoman Barber uh second that motion. Uh I don't see Councilman Blount, but all in favor of the motion please indicate. [1:55:25, 1:55:45]: Okay, I don't know. He I don't know where he is. Okay, okay, there we go. Four. All right, there we go. Got it. Four. Mr. Aaron, thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Uh we are skip number 12. It's been postponed. And uh number 13, council consideration to approve the contract extension for Charles Abbott and Associates for [1:55:45, 1:55:59]: building permitting inspection services uh through March 31st, 2021, funding source permit uh permanent department budget. And I'm assuming uh Mr. Knighton that this is for your explanation to the council. Is that correct? [1:56:00, 1:56:07]: Yeah, this this proposal, the the contract or the agreement with Charles Abilan Associates run through the end of this calendar year. [1:56:08, 1:56:14]: And so um obviously there are discussions with respect to uh various items and [1:56:14, 1:56:16]: um looking at or evaluating [1:56:17, 1:56:36]: uh the building uh permitting uh component of uh city government. Uh therefore as these discussions continue to take place, um uh I would recommend that um the current contract be extended for three months through the end of March, March 31st of 2021. [1:56:36, 1:56:42]: as these other items are continue to be considered with respect to overall uh permitting services. [1:56:43, 1:56:45]: All right. Um Mirapal Tem Thomas. Go ahead, sir. [1:56:46, 1:56:48]: I'm sure there will be some discussion. [1:56:49, 1:56:51]: Uh but I'm going to make a motion now. [1:56:51, 1:56:54]: Uh I motion to approve. [1:56:54, 1:56:56]: The contract extension for a bill and [1:56:57, 1:57:02]: permitting and inspections with Charles Abbott and Associates. [1:57:02, 1:57:06]: Uh using the permit and budget line item. [1:57:06, 1:57:10]: Number one zero zero. [1:57:10, 1:57:13]: Dash seven two zero zero. [1:57:14, 1:57:18]: Dash five two one two zero two. [1:57:19, 1:57:23]: Not to exceed seventy five thousand dollars. [1:57:23, 1:57:24]: And [1:57:25, 1:57:28]: Uh budget line item one zero zero. [1:57:29, 1:57:32]: Seven two zero zero zero dash. [1:57:32, 1:57:36]: Five two one two oh three [1:57:36, 1:57:38]: На токси [1:57:38, 1:57:40]: twenty five thousand dollars. [1:57:40, 1:57:43]: And to proceed with issuing. [1:57:44, 1:57:46]: A RFP for [1:57:47, 1:57:48]: billion per million. [1:57:48, 1:57:51]: and inspection services immediately. [1:57:53, 1:57:54]: Okay, is there a second emotion? [1:57:54, 1:57:55]: Second. [1:57:55, 1:57:58]: Councilman Azzan are second that motion. Okay, now further discussion. [1:57:59, 1:58:00]: Comment [1:58:00, 1:58:02]: Go ahead, Councilman Barber, go ahead. [1:58:03, 1:58:07]: Mayor Pro Tem, can you please read off those amounts again? [1:58:07, 1:58:08]: Andy [1:58:09, 1:58:10]: Account numbers. [1:58:11, 1:58:12]: Okay, um [1:58:12, 1:58:15]: If you go to your um [1:58:15, 1:58:18]: Budget Bookland page forty eight. [1:58:18, 1:58:25]: Um on the permitting services, um, you will see those budget line items. [1:58:26, 1:58:29]: Um, and I will repeat those. [1:58:29, 1:58:33]: Um, Madam Clerk, I'm going to repeat those also for you. [1:58:33, 1:58:34]: Um [1:58:36, 1:58:38]: Budget line item one. [1:58:38, 1:58:40]: Zero zero. [1:58:40, 1:58:41]: Dash [1:58:42, 1:58:45]: Seven two zero zero zero. [1:58:46, 1:58:46]: Dash [1:58:47, 1:58:49]: Five, two, one, two. [1:58:50, 1:58:51]: Zero two. [1:58:52, 1:58:54]: And in your uh budget. [1:58:54, 1:58:55]: Booklet [1:58:55, 1:58:59]: You will see that land item is for consultant. [1:58:59, 1:59:02]: Services division. [1:59:02, 1:59:06]: Um, and I ask that it does not exceed. [1:59:06, 1:59:09]: Uh seventy-five thousand that you will see [1:59:10, 1:59:12]: A a three hundred thousand dollar line item. [1:59:13, 1:59:16]: Uh, but we're only talking about this services for [1:59:16, 1:59:18]: three months, January to March. [1:59:19, 1:59:21]: Uh and the [1:59:21, 1:59:24]: Other line item is one [1:59:24, 1:59:26]: Zero zero. [1:59:26, 1:59:30]: Seven two zero zero zero [1:59:30, 1:59:31]: Dash [1:59:31, 1:59:33]: Five two. [1:59:33, 1:59:35]: One, two, oh three. [1:59:36, 1:59:39]: And that line item is for consultant services. [1:59:40, 1:59:41]: uh engineering. [1:59:41, 1:59:43]: And not to exceed [1:59:44, 1:59:46]: twenty five thousand dollars. [1:59:46, 1:59:49]: And I added that um [1:59:50, 1:59:53]: to proceed with issuing a RFP. [1:59:54, 1:59:59]: for building, permitting, and inspection services immediately. [2:00:01, 2:00:03]: Yes, Councilman Blanc, go ahead, please. [2:00:03, 2:00:04]: Um [2:00:05, 2:00:06]: Mr. Knighton. [2:00:06, 2:00:15]: On these numbers that Mr. Thomas gave us, do you find do you see any foreseeable conflict with those numbers? What um I do not think provided? [2:00:16, 2:00:22]: I do not. Um they are about um a quarter of the year, which would be about three month period. [2:00:22, 2:00:27]: for what they're over what they're budgeted overall. So I don't think there would be an issue. If there would be an issue. [2:00:27, 2:00:31]: Would come back to the council and address it, but I would not anticipate that there would be. [2:00:34, 2:00:49]: Now uh second question, when we w with those numbers that uh Mayor Pro Tem, I'm sorry, Mayor Pro Tem Thomas just gave us, um, if we was was were to um [2:00:50, 2:00:52]: move further into [2:00:53, 2:01:10]: others doing i i don't like making these discussions out like this but how do those numbers wouldn't those numbers fluctuate if we didn't have uh someone in place at the time of of march other than charles abbott to continue [2:01:11, 2:01:17]: Well I I think that the other component of Mayor Pro Tem's um motion with respect to putting out an RFP immediately. [2:01:18, 2:01:23]: should give us enough time to address that through an RFP process. In other words, [2:01:23, 2:01:28]: Seeking um qualified firms to provide those services. [2:01:28, 2:01:32]: Um, should give us enough time, enough leeway to be able to work through that. [2:01:34, 2:01:41]: Well that being said though, I I'm I'm just I'm I'm just wanting to make sure that we don't get into something where those amounts are gonna conflict. [2:01:42, 2:01:45]: Because once again we're speculating that we will have someone else. [2:01:45, 2:01:48]: If if we choose to go that route, someone else. [2:01:48, 2:01:56]: And that and that would, I mean, and through that RFP process, obviously, those types of arrangements would be um defined. [2:01:56, 2:02:01]: Uh we're working off of now, based on those numbers, working off of now what's currently in the budget. [2:02:01, 2:02:04]: I believe it's three hundred thousand for one and a hundred thousand for another. [2:02:04, 2:02:07]: And so we're working off of those numbers, but obviously an RFP. [2:02:08, 2:02:12]: um situation would define specifically what that arrangement would be potentially. [2:02:13, 2:02:18]: Although their contract we are talking personnel, I just wish we had gone more in depth in this. [2:02:18, 2:02:20]: Behind closed doors. That'd be my finding. [2:02:21, 2:02:23]: Airport San Thomas, go ahead, please. [2:02:23, 2:02:27]: Um uh the these numbers are in the budget. [2:02:27, 2:02:31]: Uh under the um permitting uh service so [2:02:32, 2:02:35]: Those numbers are there, the uh budget line items is there. [2:02:36, 2:02:43]: The 300,000 in one line item and 100,000 is in the other. So uh those numbers are there. [2:02:43, 2:02:45]: But the reason being to [2:02:46, 2:02:48]: Uh put a cap on these numbers. [2:02:49, 2:02:52]: Uh after March thirty first. [2:02:52, 2:03:03]: You know, w we as a council want to make sure that in going forward, April, May, June, July, and the rest of the year, we want to make sure that funds [2:03:03, 2:03:06]: are still available for [2:03:06, 2:03:07]: Whomever [2:03:07, 2:03:09]: uh may come back to continue. [2:03:10, 2:03:16]: Now with the RFP, Abbott as well as anyone else can reapply. [2:03:16, 2:03:19]: But this ensures that [2:03:19, 2:03:22]: Going forward that there are funds [2:03:22, 2:03:27]: Still available, you know, to go forward. Now, again, as Mr. Knight alluded to. [2:03:27, 2:03:29]: І фортева різні [2:03:30, 2:03:30]: Um [2:03:31, 2:03:35]: There is a need for uh addition of funds. [2:03:35, 2:03:38]: then um they come back to the council. [2:03:39, 2:03:44]: and and and appeal to us or uh state to us that there is a need so [2:03:45, 2:03:53]: Um, you know, it's real transparent, but for the most part, it's more of a safeguard measure to make sure that after March. [2:03:53, 2:03:57]: Uh that that those line items are not um [2:03:57, 2:03:58]: Depleted. [2:03:59, 2:03:59]: Um [2:04:00, 2:04:06]: You know, and and going forward and it and it's basically clear clear cut, but again, uh in the budget. [2:04:06, 2:04:11]: Page 48 under permitting, uh, you will see those line items numbers. [2:04:11, 2:04:14]: And you will see the amount um [2:04:14, 2:04:17]: of three hundred thousand, one hundred thousand in those line items. [2:04:17, 2:04:20]: And as Mr. Knight indicated, this is just a [2:04:20, 2:04:23]: A pro ratio of that if you broke that down. [2:04:24, 2:04:26]: into four quarters. [2:04:26, 2:04:28]: of the year it equals out to [2:04:29, 2:04:37]: uh one hundred thousand. Oh well it equ equals out to seventy five thousand twenty five thousand. So you talk about a a hundred thousand dollars. [2:04:38, 2:04:39]: For those uh three months. [2:04:41, 2:04:45]: You have further questions at all on the motion. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry, Councilman Barber, go ahead, please. [2:04:47, 2:05:04]: Yes, so and I know Mayor Pro Tem made the motion, so I wanted to see if we could add to his motion to bring the recommendation to award to our first council meeting. That would be March 8th. [2:05:05, 2:05:12]: So I want to make sure Mr. Knighton knows the date that we'll be expecting the recommendation. [2:05:12, 2:05:14]: To award a new contract. [2:05:15, 2:05:18]: At our March eighth, twenty twenty one. [2:05:19, 2:05:19]: Meeting. [2:05:21, 2:05:23]: If it goes out immediately. [2:05:24, 2:05:26]: If the solicitation is posted immediately. [2:05:27, 2:05:30]: That gives us enough time. So by March eighth. [2:05:30, 2:05:33]: Our first city council meeting. Can we add that to the motion? [2:05:34, 2:05:35]: Mayor Protean? [2:05:35, 2:05:36]: Yeah, he would have to say. [2:05:37, 2:05:39]: Um can you add the date? [2:05:39, 2:05:43]: Yes, uh if if I may, Mayor. Go ahead, sir. [2:05:43, 2:05:45]: I will add to the motion [2:05:46, 2:05:49]: That on March the eighth [2:05:50, 2:05:54]: When uh at the uh regular city council meeting [2:05:54, 2:06:00]: That the um solicitation process or the RFP. [2:06:01, 2:06:03]: Um is brought before us. [2:06:04, 2:06:12]: uh to uh move forward in identifying uh the next contract. Is that right? Is that correct, Mrs. Barber? [2:06:12, 2:06:18]: No. So what we want on March eighth is for staff to bring to us. [2:06:18, 2:06:20]: The recommendation to award. [2:06:22, 2:06:27]: So Mr. Mayor, the recommendation to award, add that to the motion. [2:06:28, 2:06:30]: on March eight. Now uh [2:06:30, 2:06:39]: I guess uh for one place, one second, please, Mr. Blount. Vanessa Holiday, Clerk, you have that, right? And Mike Williams, we can add that with no problem, correct? [2:06:41, 2:06:44]: Yes, sir. All right. And it has to be seconded again. Is that correct? [2:06:45, 2:06:50]: Yeah, whoever seconded the original, if they're okay with that, then yes, sir. [2:06:50, 2:06:52]: That would be Mr. Alexander. [2:06:52, 2:06:53]: Okay. [2:06:53, 2:06:55]: Alexander, you all right with the second on that? [2:06:57, 2:06:58]: Mr. Alzheimer? He's made it. [2:06:59, 2:07:00]: Second. Okay. [2:07:01, 2:07:03]: Galsman Blount, go ahead with your comment, please. [2:07:03, 2:07:23]: Well, if you're gonna make that type of motion, does the motion still stand in March if you only got two people that are bidded on the R of P since this council has said they wanted three bidders? What if only two people already bid it? So you're putting something on, you know, you you have to say, you know, they bring it forward. They what are you saying, you want three bidders or you want uh the bringing forward what they already [2:07:23, 2:07:24]: Got recommended. [2:07:25, 2:07:33]: Well I would I would think we go with what we have is what I would assume. But anyway I was gonna say I might be assuming wrong. I'm sorry. Councilman Barber, go ahead, please. [2:07:36, 2:07:41]: So with the resolution that the council passed at the last meeting. [2:07:42, 2:07:45]: It is a requirement that staff. [2:07:45, 2:07:46]: Solicit [2:07:47, 2:07:52]: for three qualified proposal, three qualified proposals. [2:07:53, 2:07:55]: There to do everything. [2:07:56, 2:07:57]: In the procurement процес. [2:07:58, 2:08:00]: To ensure that we have at a minimum. [2:08:01, 2:08:02]: A three. [2:08:03, 2:08:03]: Calified. [2:08:04, 2:08:05]: Proposals. [2:08:06, 2:08:07]: That includes [2:08:08, 2:08:10]: Hosting on the city's website. [2:08:10, 2:08:13]: Posting on the state procurement registry. [2:08:13, 2:08:15]: The Henry Harold. [2:08:16, 2:08:22]: Direct solicitations and what I mean by direct solicitation is a part of their marketing process. [2:08:22, 2:08:26]: Procurement responsibility is to stir up the competition. [2:08:26, 2:08:45]: Their way of stirring up the competition is by inviting more people to submit proposals. So whether or not they target suppliers right here in Stockbridge or whether or not they target all relevant suppliers in the state of Georgia. [2:08:46, 2:08:57]: There are tasks and steps that procurement is responsible for doing to stir up and invite more people to submit proposals for it. [2:08:57, 2:08:59]: So I don't want the minimum effort. [2:09:00, 2:09:06]: of just posting these solicitations on the city's website and the procurement website in Henry Harold. [2:09:07, 2:09:13]: No, there are other tasks and steps that procurement is responsible for doing. [2:09:13, 2:09:16]: To ensure that we get [2:09:16, 2:09:29]: More than one or two proposals. Now, if they follow all of those steps and they do everything necessary to invite more um responsive bidders and they still don't get the three. [2:09:30, 2:09:32]: then they need to demonstrate. [2:09:32, 2:09:40]: that they did all of those steps and to bring a justification to the council that they made a good faith effort. [2:09:40, 2:09:44]: But I want to see evidence that they did exactly. [2:09:44, 2:09:46]: What they're supposed to do. [2:09:46, 2:09:47]: That's all. [2:09:48, 2:09:48]: Mayor. [2:09:48, 2:09:49]: Go ahead, Casm Blount. [2:09:50, 2:10:00]: As we stated even back then, that process is already in place. And and we're talking we're talking two different things. We're talking about what process needs to go out to solicit. I'm talking about [2:10:01, 2:10:05]: I I don't want this council putting any staff [2:10:05, 2:10:07]: member in a position [2:10:07, 2:10:13]: That if you only get two, they're gonna write that if if this is what the policy is, that's gonna be written up anyway. [2:10:13, 2:10:16]: I just want to make sure that that's in the that that's clear. [2:10:17, 2:10:21]: that this that this staff is able to bring forward someone even if there's only two. [2:10:22, 2:10:28]: uh people uh uh i uh two betters. That's the only thing. That that's all it that's all it was. I'm not [2:10:28, 2:10:33]: We can we can open up the bed and go out all kind of ways. I'm just my question was [2:10:34, 2:10:37]: Is too signific uh sufficient for this council. [2:10:38, 2:10:39]: All right. [2:10:39, 2:10:40]: Thank you. [2:10:40, 2:10:43]: Uh Mayor Proten, did you have a comment? You're unmuted. [2:10:44, 2:10:48]: Uh no, no. Um the the motion is made. Um [2:10:48, 2:10:58]: The added um to the motion has been separated. So um I I call for the vote. Okay. All in favor motion. I'm sorry, all in favor of the motion. [2:10:58, 2:11:03]: Uh Alexander, do you had a comment? Is that all favor the most? Yeah, all favor the most please indicate. I'm sorry. [2:11:03, 2:11:04]: All posed. [2:11:05, 2:11:06]: Sustain. [2:11:07, 2:11:08]: Councilman Blue, where where do you stand? [2:11:10, 2:11:11]: I can't hear you, sir. [2:11:12, 2:11:15]: Abstain, yes sir. Okay, so three zero one. Thank you very much. [2:11:17, 2:11:30]: All right, uh council consideration to approve RFP two zero one six zero eight-05, Falcon Design Consultant for Engineering Services. Uh Mr. Knighton and uh Mr. Aaron, please. [2:11:38, 2:11:42]: Yes, Mayor. The current kind contract with uh Falcon Design [2:11:43, 2:11:47]: as a consultant on uh staff for the city or with the city. [2:11:47, 2:11:50]: uh ends on um [2:11:50, 2:11:52]: Uh December, excuse me. [2:11:52, 2:11:56]: ends in the end of January, I believe January [2:11:56, 2:11:58]: of uh twenty one. [2:11:59, 2:12:02]: Um and this is proposed to extend it. [2:12:02, 2:12:04]: through December thirty one [2:12:05, 2:12:17]: of 2021. Um you know we I think uh Mr. Aaron can attest to I think we've been very satisfied with the product with the product that Falcon Design has provided to us. [2:12:17, 2:12:20]: All obviously involved in a number of projects with us. [2:12:21, 2:12:25]: And so we're asking for this contract extension to take place through December of twenty twenty-one. [2:12:27, 2:12:40]: All right, Mr. Aaron, do you have anything you need to add, sir, at this time? I just want to reiterate what Mr. Knighton spoke. Uh Falcon Design has done a great job for us. They're currently doing multiple projects for the city right now. They're also um [2:12:40, 2:12:41]: In the process of [2:12:42, 2:12:47]: Managing our L Ma resurfacing program, which will start in a couple of weeks and [2:12:48, 2:12:56]: I I concur with his recommendation that we extend them to December 2021, December thirty first, twenty twenty one. Okay, thank you, sir. Any council, any comments for these gentlemen? [2:12:57, 2:13:00]: And if not, I need a motion to accept the proposal. [2:13:01, 2:13:14]: There are a motion? Yeah, I do have a question. Right ahead, please. Please. Um, okay, so I see per task order there is um a cost not to exceed$50,000. [2:13:15, 2:13:17]: Am I correct, Mr. Aaron? [2:13:19, 2:13:25]: The it should have said that their cost is based per tax task that they're performing for the city. [2:13:26, 2:13:27]: Because it takes good at [2:13:27, 2:13:33]: can exceed fifty thousand dollars. It could be a task like if you're designing a role for the amphitheater. [2:13:33, 2:13:36]: It could exceed fifty thousand dollars. I think it's [2:13:36, 2:13:38]: a per task extension. [2:13:40, 2:13:40]: Okay. [2:13:41, 2:13:42]: Um [2:13:42, 2:13:43]: Do you know right off? [2:13:44, 2:13:54]: Um how much or miss maybe Mr. Wiggins can tell me um right off what did we spend with Falcon Design just last year or this year. [2:13:57, 2:14:03]: I would have to go back and and and go through the system because they've done a lot. [2:14:03, 2:14:06]: They've done uh multiple jobs and and [2:14:06, 2:14:09]: completed a lot of tasks or so I'll have to go back and get that. [2:14:09, 2:14:13]: uh that total. I don't know right off hand about Falcon. [2:14:13, 2:14:18]: Okay. Can you email that to me, please? Yes, I can. I can. Thank you. That's all Mir. [2:14:19, 2:14:24]: All right. Uh any further questions for these gentlemen? If not, I need a motion to accept the proposal. [2:14:25, 2:14:25]: Some of them. [2:14:26, 2:14:27]: Okay, but Councilman Barber. [2:14:28, 2:14:30]: Uh there, did you second that? [2:14:31, 2:14:33]: A second. Okay. [2:14:33, 2:14:39]: I think Blount had his hand up. Okay. Okay. No problem. Okay. Ms. Council Blount second that motion. All right. [2:14:40, 2:14:45]: You seconded, right, sir. You had your hand up. Okay, good deal. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:14:45, 2:14:47]: Thank you, unanimous decision. Thank you very much. [2:14:48, 2:14:57]: Uh okay. Council consideration to amend the city's code of ordinances to add economic development department. [2:14:57, 2:14:59]: Mr. Williams, please. [2:14:59, 2:15:13]: Mr. Mayor, this is more of a housekeeping measure. Um, the last time the city uh hired an economic development uh director, the council wanted to have a role in confirming the appointment of that person. [2:15:14, 2:15:21]: And so a nomination was made by the city manager and that person was confirmed by the council. [2:15:22, 2:15:22]: Um [2:15:23, 2:15:28]: The charter provides that the council only confirms [2:15:28, 2:15:30]: department heads and and [2:15:31, 2:15:31]: Uh [2:15:31, 2:15:35]: We do not have currently a department of economic development. [2:15:36, 2:15:38]: And so what this uh [2:15:38, 2:15:41]: ordinance does is just merely add [2:15:41, 2:15:47]: Department of Economic Development to the list of departments that we have. And so it's a very straightforward [2:15:48, 2:15:53]: uh ordinance and in doing so, uh when you go to fill that position [2:15:54, 2:16:02]: Uh it will require per the charter a nomination from the city of manager and then approval by the mayor and council. So it's just housekeeping. [2:16:04, 2:16:08]: Okay. Council, any questions for Mr. Williams about this uh proposal? [2:16:09, 2:16:12]: And if not, I need a motion to accept his proposal. [2:16:13, 2:16:17]: Councilwoman Barber so moves that is a second. [2:16:17, 2:16:23]: I second. Okay, Mayor Potem Thomas seconds that any further discussion. And if not, all in favor, please indicate. [2:16:24, 2:16:34]: Okay. Okay, as you now appreciate it. Okay, on to the discussions uh phase. We have attitude agenda care acts care cares act funding. [2:16:34, 2:16:38]: And uh update on that. So Mr. uh Knighton, please. [2:16:42, 2:16:43]: Beside. [2:16:44, 2:16:45]: Sir. [2:16:47, 2:17:07]: unmute myself. Okay. Yes, Mayor, the as everyone uh I think knows by now, we have allocated certain monies for um the uh CARES Act um that was received uh via the state through the federal government. [2:17:07, 2:17:10]: Um one of the things that um [2:17:10, 2:17:13]: uh has been of of note to [2:17:14, 2:17:18]: uh the staff and to the committees when working on this is to try to [2:17:18, 2:17:19]: Um [2:17:19, 2:17:23]: Ensure that as many people and business businesses [2:17:23, 2:17:25]: as possible can be supported. [2:17:26, 2:17:28]: Um via the CARES Act and [2:17:28, 2:17:31]: Uh to date we've got about um [2:17:31, 2:17:33]: probably about seventeen, eighteen businesses. [2:17:34, 2:17:38]: uh that have um gone through and applied, been approved and so forth. [2:17:38, 2:17:42]: With about four as of this afternoon, I believe there were four additional that were pending. [2:17:43, 2:17:53]: Um, we want to continue to um be able to provide support for businesses who have been uh adversely challenged during this period of time. [2:17:53, 2:17:56]: Uh with respect to um [2:17:56, 2:17:58]: uh the uh lost [2:17:59, 2:18:03]: uh revenues that they've experienced as a result of the pandemic. [2:18:03, 2:18:09]: Um in addition uh to that, um I just received a [2:18:09, 2:18:21]: frequently asked questions uh item that we're going to put out on our social media sites an updated FAQ put out on our social media sites and also we're going to send an email blast to all of the businesses [2:18:22, 2:18:23]: In the city of Stockbridge. [2:18:24, 2:18:42]: um again uh imploring uh businesses to apply. One of the revisions that was made was respect with respect to receiving previous PPP funds. The original thought was that um um the intent was to try to help businesses who had not received any funds [2:18:42, 2:18:46]: And after um a period of taking a look at this and receiving applications. [2:18:46, 2:18:51]: Um, we want to make sure that we open it up to anyone who has received PPP funds. [2:18:52, 2:18:55]: Um uh and provide those opportunities for [2:18:56, 2:18:57]: Those businesses. [2:18:57, 2:19:06]: In addition to that, um, we are having uh some conversations with nonprofits via the chambers, having conversations with specific nonprofits. [2:19:07, 2:19:10]: To be able to um provide funds for [2:19:10, 2:19:14]: uh individuals who may need housing, rent, utility. [2:19:14, 2:19:16]: Excuse me, utility assistance. [2:19:16, 2:19:18]: Um as well. [2:19:19, 2:19:35]: And so now it is a two-pronged approach to try to continue to deal with businesses to try to get them to uh those who have not received any funds and who are eligible to apply for those funds and also then via the nonprofits, the nonprofits who are are set up. [2:19:35, 2:19:55]: Who have the apparatus, who provide support and assistance to residents on a daily basis, to be able to provide funding to them to be able to use to assist individuals directly. As you probably remember, throughout the summer, late summer, when all of this came to fruition, there were certain restrictions placed. [2:19:55, 2:19:56]: on [2:19:56, 2:20:07]: local governments and how funds could be utilized. We did use CARES funds, probably 150, 160,000 on various things for um [2:20:08, 2:20:19]: expenditures that we made uh for city government, but obviously we had uh quite a bit more money that was available. Um and the council had the vision to try to [2:20:19, 2:20:33]: uh place that um in a position to be utilized by businesses which we have done and had some success so far, but obviously we still want to make sure that everybody has an opportunity to apply for those funds who are in need. [2:20:34, 2:20:37]: And so um again we're still going we're gonna go through this second round of [2:20:38, 2:20:42]: uh a media blitz and trying to get as much information as we can out to the public. [2:20:44, 2:20:45]: Uh Councilman Alexander, go ahead, please. [2:20:46, 2:20:55]: Yes, sir. Uh I wanted to kind of talk about some things, and I know the CARES committee has been actively involved, and I think Mayor Pro Tem. [2:20:55, 2:20:58]: uh is on the CARES Act committee in terms of [2:20:58, 2:21:02]: Uh what we're able to do because I know there's an outcry of citizens. [2:21:02, 2:21:04]: Because they see it on the news about [2:21:05, 2:21:07]: Folks being assisted with their mortgage. [2:21:07, 2:21:10]: been assisted with their rent, their utility bills. [2:21:10, 2:21:13]: And that kind of thing, I think we need to explain as [2:21:13, 2:21:15]: Mr. Knighton did uh the exact [2:21:16, 2:21:20]: Pros process behind seeking these non profit organizations. [2:21:20, 2:21:26]: to distribute these funds and how these other cities are the other cities doing the the exact same thing. [2:21:27, 2:21:31]: uh in w in in and how they're distributing the funds because it seems like [2:21:32, 2:21:52]: I know Union City is helping with utility bills and certain other uh municipalities are helping with rent and mortgage. I I you know I'd like to see this have the city attorney speak on, you know, I know the argument is the greater good in terms of it or or a benefit. [2:21:52, 2:21:53]: Yeah. [2:21:53, 2:21:56]: How is it not a benefit to the city? [2:21:57, 2:22:00]: to have not have an eviction or a [2:22:00, 2:22:02]: Foreclosure crisis in your city. [2:22:03, 2:22:05]: When residents are under so much pressure. [2:22:06, 2:22:06]: In order to [2:22:07, 2:22:27]: uh uh uh under this uh pandemic. And the last thing that I'll do and I'll yield to uh Mayor Pro Tem Thomas, who is a committee member on the CARES Act Committee, is to ask a question about uh uh, you know, unbeknownst to us, uh the fees were increased on businesses. And I've had a number [2:22:27, 2:22:33]: Of business owners talk to me about those fees in terms of what we're doing. [2:22:33, 2:22:38]: Is there any relief or maybe a rollback that we might be able to do? [2:22:38, 2:22:41]: to the previous amount so that [2:22:41, 2:22:51]: these businesses who are already struggling can maybe go back to the twenty eighteen number or the previous number just to give these businesses some relief. That's not [2:22:52, 2:23:04]: providing a stipend to those businesses is just returning that number to what it was to pre uh pandemic and the uh increase because when we passed the increase we had no [2:23:04, 2:23:07]: idea that this pandemic was coming. [2:23:09, 2:23:10]: All right, Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. [2:23:11, 2:23:17]: Thank you, sir. I I just want to reemphasize what Mr. Knight had mentioned and I hope that it did not [2:23:18, 2:23:23]: uh pass over uh into the citizens' head and even the council members. [2:23:24, 2:23:26]: Uh two of the categories that [2:23:27, 2:23:32]: uh funds were available were to for the uh small business owners. [2:23:33, 2:23:35]: And the non profits. [2:23:35, 2:23:39]: And I I I think it's important that we reemphasize that. [2:23:39, 2:23:48]: These nonprofits can be outside of, and Mr. Nine will correct me if I'm wrong, but these nonprofits can. [2:23:48, 2:23:52]: be outside of the city. They could be [2:23:52, 2:23:53]: Henry County bound. [2:23:54, 2:23:57]: But what's important and what's the stipulation is [2:23:58, 2:24:02]: That the citizens that they cater to. [2:24:02, 2:24:06]: must be city of Stockbridge residents. So [2:24:07, 2:24:11]: Um, Mr. Alexander, this is the mechanism where [2:24:11, 2:24:14]: Um citizens [2:24:14, 2:24:17]: That could be assisted in rent. [2:24:17, 2:24:21]: mortgages, utilities, and etcetera. But [2:24:22, 2:24:25]: It is incumbent upon those nonprofits. [2:24:25, 2:24:28]: To make sure that they are able to [2:24:28, 2:24:29]: Um [2:24:30, 2:24:34]: dictate, well not dictate, but they will have to be able to [2:24:34, 2:24:35]: А що [2:24:36, 2:24:37]: And confirm. [2:24:37, 2:24:38]: Dead. [2:24:39, 2:24:41]: These citizens that they are assisting. [2:24:42, 2:24:50]: Are citizens of the city of Stockbridge? So with these funds, it's a lot of red tape, it's a lot of stipulations. [2:24:50, 2:24:53]: And what we're trying to do for the committees. [2:24:53, 2:24:57]: Is to make sure that we adhere to all [2:24:57, 2:24:59]: of the rules and the regulations. [2:25:00, 2:25:02]: Because we do not want to be caught. [2:25:02, 2:25:03]: Um [2:25:03, 2:25:09]: in any improprieties as far as uh these funds are concerned. So [2:25:09, 2:25:14]: I would suggest that anyone that uh hears this conversation tonight. [2:25:15, 2:25:16]: If you're a non profit. [2:25:16, 2:25:18]: Аюкан суміт. [2:25:18, 2:25:22]: And those uh citizens that you work with already [2:25:22, 2:25:26]: uh they could be in line possibly uh to to to receive [2:25:26, 2:25:29]: Now Mr. Knight, I will ask Mr. Knight to speak to [2:25:30, 2:25:34]: Uh the CARES Act, the City of Startbridge CARES Act Committee. [2:25:35, 2:25:36]: Uh we meet. [2:25:36, 2:25:55]: These meetings are open to the public. They are advertised. So for any council members and any citizens that want to view these meetings, these meetings are open. And I think you know you will we will want to get this information firsthand. [2:25:55, 2:26:01]: So I would just recommend that, you know, get on the schedule and I'm asking Mr. Knight to speak to that. [2:26:01, 2:26:08]: and and weigh in and and just be uh a part of the uh the meetings itself so you can have the information firsthand. [2:26:10, 2:26:12]: I miss Nightland. Go ahead, sir. Yeah. [2:26:12, 2:26:26]: Right, and and the committee has met and and would likely have another meeting the first, second week of December as well. We are working um very hard to try to get more information out. Um uh in fact I should have an up another update by tomorrow morning as well. [2:26:26, 2:26:30]: But the FAQs will go out um this evening. [2:26:30, 2:26:36]: With respect to our social media sites for businesses to get updated information on how to apply. [2:26:37, 2:26:38]: Where to go for the application? [2:26:39, 2:26:59]: Um and we've tried to make it as simple as as possible we can as possibly we can for the application. It's not an onerous document, but we also need to have enough information so that we can account for uh everything with respect to these funds that are being spent. And so we'll continue to try to get this information out via big four. [2:26:59, 2:27:01]: For businesses and and for individuals. [2:27:02, 2:27:03]: Councilman Blount, go ahead, please. [2:27:06, 2:27:15]: Yeah, thank you for that, Mr. Knight and thank you, Mayor. Um one one of the things that and I think my concern is uh this consensus of the council, our concern is the citizens. Um [2:27:16, 2:27:26]: Because we know that and I think I spoke to you about this, Mr. Nike. One of the things we know that any funds not used, they they they kinda go back to the government. [2:27:27, 2:27:42]: uh businesses in in those areas of need. And so uh I don't know, uh Mr. Williams, uh is there anything that we have in our stipulation that that need to be looked at and addressed that we could change even further. And I think you kinda addressed that, Mr. Knight, but [2:27:42, 2:27:47]: I just wanna see as much fun as as possible going into our community b uh prior to [2:27:47, 2:27:48]: Oh [2:27:48, 2:27:55]: You know, losing those funds because of lack of uh use. A question, Mr. Knight, uh, any of those businesses [2:27:55, 2:27:57]: Or anyone that has applied [2:27:58, 2:28:06]: that the stipulations have been lessened that now they will be eligible. Uh is there any businesses out there that we need to reach out to? [2:28:09, 2:28:19]: Maybe apply that that that because of the stipulations that rejected or something like that. I'm not that we're lessening the stipulations. Is there any business that we could reach back out to? [2:28:19, 2:28:33]: I'm not aware of any. If we if there are, and I'll check with uh Chamber Joe, if there are any, we certainly will reach back out to them. I have had uh you know calls with um you know several businesses who've asked about it. [2:28:33, 2:28:37]: Uh we've got them connected and um some of them have gone ahead and applied. [2:28:37, 2:28:47]: Um and you know, uh if there has been I I can't think of anyone, but if there is, we'll make sure I'll make sure I check with them to make sure we reach out back to them directly. [2:28:48, 2:28:53]: Uh one last question, Mayor. Uh well maybe one of you all could answer it all since you're on the board. [2:28:54, 2:28:58]: Uh you have you have government entities that are that are specific for s uh [2:28:59, 2:29:03]: Henry County, like Connecting Henry and as a couple of other uh entities. [2:29:04, 2:29:11]: Are they eligible for extra funding for the for those purposes? Well that's that's and and since you went ahead and mentioned Connecting Hero in particular. [2:29:11, 2:29:14]: Um, that is one conversation we're having right now. [2:29:14, 2:29:16]: uh with them and so [2:29:16, 2:29:20]: an organization such as that and and obviously I think Connect and Henry has a very um [2:29:21, 2:29:37]: excellent reputation in the community, that would be the kind of organization who's already set up, who has the staffing, who has the apparatus, who have the mechanisms in place to be able to distribute these funds. So that is, I I will go ahead and say that is one that absolutely conversations are being had. [2:29:37, 2:29:39]: No, last, I'm sorry. [2:29:39, 2:29:52]: What about the churches that are 501 C three that have those uh hosp that have those entities of of work homeless ministries that have those ministries that help out? Are they able to apply for the loans, uh for the money also? [2:29:54, 2:30:06]: It's my understanding, and maybe a mic question, but it's my understanding if you have a nonprofit status, that that could be a potential mechanism that we could utilize or funds could be. [2:30:07, 2:30:13]: um provided to who would be able to uh utilize those funds directly to the community. [2:30:13, 2:30:17]: Um, you know, one of the things that you know I and and and I [2:30:17, 2:30:22]: We certainly don't want to be limited in the specific nonprofits. [2:30:22, 2:30:25]: Um that could uh potentially [2:30:25, 2:30:29]: Um, be a party by which these funds could be disseminated. [2:30:29, 2:30:31]: We don't want to eliminate that or or limit that. [2:30:32, 2:30:36]: And so if there are um nonprofits that you the council members [2:30:37, 2:30:39]: um are aware of uh that could be [2:30:40, 2:30:53]: uh potential intermediaries for these types of funds, please let us know. That's a conversation we had, please let us know. We've we've identified some, but we don't want to be limited in any way. So if there are, then please let us know. You can uh send me an email. [2:30:53, 2:30:55]: Um and provide that information to me. [2:30:56, 2:30:56]: Fine. [2:30:57, 2:31:10]: I I want to ask this question and I want to ask this question publicly so everybody understands that um you know we we're transparent about everything that we do. [2:31:11, 2:31:15]: Now I'm a member of organization Community Development for Real People. [2:31:16, 2:31:19]: We serve food here in Stockbridge every Tuesday. [2:31:19, 2:31:23]: uh at Mount Olive Baptist Church and we do what we do. [2:31:24, 2:31:27]: Now I've talked to the bo I've spoken to the board members [2:31:28, 2:31:34]: Uh the organization actually applied for Henry County funds but to reimburse for what we do in terms of [2:31:35, 2:31:39]: uh being able to expand what we do s feeding citizens. We know we feed [2:31:39, 2:31:41]: Sometimes three to four hundred. [2:31:41, 2:31:43]: Uh food boxes of families of wheat. [2:31:44, 2:31:44]: Um [2:31:45, 2:31:50]: I want to get the understanding and I want it stated publicly by the attorney. Hopefully he's there. [2:31:51, 2:31:54]: What is the interpretation behind? [2:31:54, 2:32:10]: Uh I I I'm not it the money wouldn't be going to me. The money would be going to the organization which I am a board member of, I'm the president of, but the and and it would be going toward the community. Is it uh you know, Henry County had a prohibition [2:32:11, 2:32:16]: On elected officials, they eliminated that which opened that up to myself. [2:32:16, 2:32:17]: And other officials. [2:32:17, 2:32:24]: where there was a many people who are barred because there's a lot of folks like myself who are out here doing great work in the community. [2:32:24, 2:32:44]: And several of the council members own businesses in the city. What is the city's interpretation of that as far as the community as as uh members of the city council, the f uh the staff who are uh own businesses in the city or not or are or [2:32:44, 2:32:48]: or members of a non profit organization. How is that [2:32:49, 2:32:52]: Explain to me and the community the legal [2:32:52, 2:32:53]: Uh [2:32:53, 2:32:54]: Yeah, angles on that. [2:32:56, 2:32:58]: So there are a number of things to unpack. [2:32:59, 2:33:06]: The uh first thing is, you know, from a you know conflict of interest perspective. [2:33:06, 2:33:12]: Um a member of the council or the governing body, whether it's the city or the county. [2:33:12, 2:33:32]: um should not participate in in the the vote or discussion on an item where they have a personal interest or or an interest that might be perceived as somewhat in conflict with the city. And so if you are are a a board member of a board that has business [2:33:32, 2:33:34]: Business pending before the city. [2:33:35, 2:33:41]: then in that situation you would recuse yourself. Um the the entity could still uh you know [2:33:42, 2:33:47]: you know, have a contractual relationship with the city or or apply for grants, et cetera. [2:33:48, 2:33:53]: But the the member of the governing body who is affiliated with that has to recuse themselves. [2:33:54, 2:34:14]: and and not participate in that discussion. And and that's to obviously to protect uh the the the member as well as the integrity of the process so that there's no undue influence. So that that is sort of, you know, that's the rule whether it's it's uh you know COVID relief funding or or any other type of a project that you would just [2:34:14, 2:34:15]: Do that. [2:34:15, 2:34:21]: Um, yeah, I can't speak to what the county did in terms of, you know, their their their prohibitions. Um [2:34:22, 2:34:42]: you know my my advice is is obviously in all cases to to you know adhere to those rules and and and really to step it up to avoid the appearance of impropriety. And so if you have a a business that uh you know aside from a nonprofit if you have a business that is is seeking to uh make use [2:34:42, 2:34:52]: of funding that's provided by the city um uh either through a grant process or otherwise that again that in that case you know there is a more direct personal [2:34:52, 2:34:55]: interests and and I would advise against that. [2:34:56, 2:35:00]: Um now councilman Alexander raised the question earlier. [2:35:00, 2:35:08]: about the the the issue. He didn't s he didn't refer to the gratuities clause, but but he made reference to the concept behind that. [2:35:09, 2:35:11]: The the Georgia Constitution [2:35:11, 2:35:23]: um has a a clause in it that prohibits uh cities and counties and the general assembly from granting gratuities to anybody and and and that's basically we can't give any [2:35:24, 2:35:32]: individual something uh using taxpayer funds um f for free without any benefit back to the city. [2:35:33, 2:35:45]: And so that's widely interpreted to prohibit a a wide variety of of actions on the part of of the city in terms of, you know, giveaways and things using taxpayer funds. [2:35:45, 2:35:55]: In the case of the CARES Act funding, um, however, that that's different and that's an exception because we're we're essentially administering grant funds received [2:35:55, 2:35:57]: by the federal government. [2:35:57, 2:36:07]: um following the guidance issued by both the federal government, the the state of Georgia, and then you know, we follow the kind of some of the best practices you know outlined through GMA. [2:36:08, 2:36:17]: Um, and so it it's a different uh circumstance which allows you a a a wider degree of flexibility in terms of. [2:36:17, 2:36:22]: uh who can and k cannot receive funding uh and and the purposes for that [2:36:23, 2:36:37]: Um and and to that end, I'll speak to the last piece, which is the CARES Act is is meant to provide relief funding to address circumstances created uniquely by COVID-19. [2:36:37, 2:36:47]: And so uh if if you're an organization and you wanna use uh or or try to apply for CARES Act funding, you you have to show that you [2:36:47, 2:36:53]: Um if your business that you have been negatively impacted specifically due to COVID nineteen. [2:36:54, 2:37:14]: or if you're if you're in one of those categories of nonprofits that provide relief that the the types of relief that you're providing to community is is directly related to you know covet-19 um uh impacts so that's where we get to the utility assistance the rent assistance and things like that for people who've lost jobs or [2:37:14, 2:37:17]: or their business revenue has has been negatively impacted. [2:37:18, 2:37:26]: So you have to have a nexus between the COVID nineteen pandemic and and all of its negative consequences and the the the funding [2:37:27, 2:37:34]: the use of the funding to address those negative impacts. So I know I've said a lot, but I'll try to answer any further questions. [2:37:35, 2:37:35]: Thank you. [2:37:36, 2:37:42]: Okay, Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. Go ahead, please. Uh thank you, Mr. William. That I I just want to confirm that is the way. [2:37:43, 2:37:52]: uh that this was explained uh to the committee. But I I just want to ensure the committee or say to the um to the citizens [2:37:52, 2:37:54]: That the committee [2:37:55, 2:37:57]: Does not see [2:37:58, 2:38:04]: any of the applications, I think this is important. We do not see [2:38:04, 2:38:09]: the application. Therefore, we do not see your [2:38:09, 2:38:11]: Personal information [2:38:12, 2:38:15]: Um it goes to uh Mr. Hennin's [2:38:16, 2:38:19]: uh and his committee there at the at the county. [2:38:19, 2:38:22]: And he makes a recommendation. [2:38:22, 2:38:29]: Uh to the committee. Once he go through all of the paperwork and make sure that [2:38:29, 2:38:33]: All of the basic requirements are included in [2:38:33, 2:38:36]: The citizens uh document. [2:38:36, 2:38:43]: And then he makes a recommendation to the to the to the committee. And I just want to just be clear that. [2:38:43, 2:39:00]: We as a committee, we do not see uh anyone's personal information. We do not see the applications. Uh again, Mr. Hennin brings his recommendation to us and then we'll we'll vote on that now. [2:39:00, 2:39:02]: We do discuss. [2:39:02, 2:39:13]: the parameters and and you know some of the ins and outs, but I I just think it's important for me to say that we do not see um you know your application. [2:39:14, 2:39:14]: Thank you, Mayor. [2:39:15, 2:39:17]: No problem. Councilwoman Barber, go ahead, please. [2:39:18, 2:39:25]: Um I just wanted to ask Mr. Knighton. He mentioned that he was in discussions with Connecting Henry. [2:39:25, 2:39:26]: Um [2:39:27, 2:39:37]: Does your discussions include perhaps um them expanding their services here to Stockbridge? I know we have enough. [2:39:37, 2:39:38]: Um [2:39:38, 2:39:41]: CARES Act funding and I know we're only issuing [2:39:42, 2:39:45]: Ten thousand dollars per non profit and per business. [2:39:46, 2:39:49]: Can the council increase that at any time? [2:39:51, 2:39:59]: Between now and the end of the year, just so that we can maybe allocate it to an agency that we know will use it. [2:39:59, 2:40:02]: And would use it for the residents who live here. [2:40:03, 2:40:06]: Right. Let me and let me clarify something with respect to [2:40:06, 2:40:11]: Um any conversations I've had. I've not had any direct conversations with Connecting Henry. [2:40:11, 2:40:18]: Mr. Henning at the chamber mentioned he was having conversations with them about that. So let me make sure I clarify that piece of it. [2:40:19, 2:40:29]: The with respect to the$10,000 item, that is for businesses. That was uh put as a cap for businesses to receive up to$10,000. [2:40:29, 2:40:37]: Um, one because we wanted to ensure that you know there would be a pool of money available to to many more b uh businesses. [2:40:37, 2:40:40]: Um uh to be able to apply and receive funds. [2:40:41, 2:40:45]: With respect to nonprofits, I want to make the distinction uh between two things. [2:40:46, 2:41:01]: First, nonprofits can apply for funds if their nonprofit organization itself has been impacted by rent utility, those types of things. So they as a nonprofit could apply for funds up to$10,000, like a business could. [2:41:02, 2:41:04]: The second piece of it is. [2:41:04, 2:41:10]: When we were talking about nonprofits providing to a nonprofit organization for them to be able to distribute funds. [2:41:11, 2:41:16]: that would not be just uh ten thousand dollars that we would be providing. It would be a much greater amount. [2:41:16, 2:41:20]: provided to them for the committee's approval. [2:41:20, 2:41:31]: um so that they could distribute funds to to several you know citizens several you know tens or hundreds of citizens if if possible so that wouldn't be uh just a ten thousand [2:41:31, 2:41:34]: uh dollar allocation to them, that would be much more than that. [2:41:36, 2:41:38]: Thank you, that was my question. [2:41:39, 2:41:42]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Councilman Blanc, go ahead, please. [2:41:43, 2:41:57]: Uh Councilwoman Barber, I don't know if you knew, but they they do have services that that do include the Cedar Stock Bridge. I guess you were saying more more services. Or you d did you know that they do provide some services? [2:41:57, 2:42:00]: For the citizens to stop break. Just let me just FY [2:42:01, 2:42:02]: Yeah. [2:42:02, 2:42:06]: I know Connecting Henry provides services for all of Henry County. [2:42:06, 2:42:10]: My question was maybe I need to rephrase it. [2:42:10, 2:42:13]: I like for us to have a subsidiary. [2:42:13, 2:42:14]: of connecting Henry. [2:42:15, 2:42:19]: Right here for Stockbridge, we are the largest city in Henry County. [2:42:20, 2:42:21]: So [2:42:21, 2:42:23]: That is what I was really implying. [2:42:23, 2:42:25]: Are we able to [2:42:25, 2:42:28]: What can we do to expand connecting Henry's? [2:42:29, 2:42:31]: Service or agency. [2:42:31, 2:42:32]: Here. [2:42:32, 2:42:36]: In Stockbridge, um I think all of the cities in Henry County. [2:42:37, 2:42:38]: Need to have [2:42:38, 2:42:42]: um a subsidiary subsidiary of Connecting Henry. [2:42:43, 2:42:46]: Um we have our citizens have needs. [2:42:46, 2:42:50]: such as homeless. Um a lot of them can't travel. [2:42:51, 2:42:51]: to McDonald. [2:42:52, 2:42:55]: Um, so that's what I was really implying. [2:42:57, 2:43:04]: Can you answer that, Mr. Mike? Or is that sure and maybe Mike can can uh uh address it as well. [2:43:04, 2:43:10]: I think what you're alluding to is the city providing a funding amount perhaps per year. [2:43:10, 2:43:13]: to an organization since it was been mentioned connecting Henry. [2:43:14, 2:43:18]: uh to help them expand their ability to provide [2:43:19, 2:43:21]: Direct assistance to citizens. [2:43:21, 2:43:22]: Um [2:43:22, 2:43:29]: Uh I think at one point in time in the budget, there were certain line items for entities or groups or organizations. [2:43:29, 2:43:31]: Um that provided [2:43:31, 2:43:35]: certain levels of support that were not a part of [2:43:35, 2:43:37]: the core um city government. [2:43:38, 2:43:56]: Um, and so if that is something that the council wants to consider in the future, providing some level of assistance uh to an entity like that, then that's a discussion I suppose that could be had. But I I also want Mike to weigh in on that because there may be some parameters by which we are constrained. [2:43:57, 2:44:04]: And and that's in the in an area where the gratuities clause, you know, directly impacts our ability to [2:44:05, 2:44:10]: provides assistance and and when I came on as city attorney, you know, we were [2:44:10, 2:44:23]: You know, we did have an annual budget fund for various nonprofits and and we ended up putting a stop to that because you know it was violative of the gratuities clause in in some cases. [2:44:23, 2:44:43]: Um now i if if the organization is fulfilling uh services or a role that we by charter are empowered to do, then we can partner with various organizations to you know assist them with their services. Um if it's something that again our charter allows us to [2:44:43, 2:44:50]: do and and they're providing a service with and on behalf of the city, then we can do that. But [2:44:51, 2:45:04]: But you know, traditional forms of just, you know, assistance and things like that, um, you know, without a direct benefit to the city and its f uh providing governmental services is a problem. [2:45:06, 2:45:07]: Go ahead, please. [2:45:07, 2:45:08]: Um [2:45:08, 2:45:16]: We so desperately need those same human service programs that Connecting Henry provides. [2:45:16, 2:45:27]: Um and I'm just trying to think of ways that we can get um an office right here in Stockbridge. Um so whether it be a connecting Henry or someone else. Um [2:45:28, 2:45:35]: So I was initially my question was, are we able to distribute those funds to Connecting Hemory? [2:45:36, 2:45:38]: So that they can um [2:45:39, 2:45:40]: Um perhaps. [2:45:41, 2:45:42]: provide. [2:45:43, 2:45:47]: or allocate funds to residents, Stockbridge residents when they come there. [2:45:47, 2:45:49]: Mr. Knighton already addressed it and he said yes. [2:45:50, 2:45:52]: The TRZ, yes. Yeah. [2:45:52, 2:45:53]: Um [2:45:54, 2:45:57]: But I wanted to take it a step further. Uh those [2:45:58, 2:46:04]: human service programs. I'd like to see us have an entity or an agency like Connecting Henry here. [2:46:05, 2:46:13]: I know it may be too late for us now trying to establish something such as an agency such as that, but that's really where I was going. [2:46:14, 2:46:14]: That's all. [2:46:15, 2:46:17]: Castlevan Blanc, go ahead, please. [2:46:17, 2:46:37]: Mayor, I I spoke to uh Miss Um Barber Coleman over at uh Connected Henry before about this. And I think one of the things that the biggest concerns uh well the biggest issue they will have is uh having a city uh for for a stop bridge. We have to have a we'll have to have a facility for them. And then you talk about where the fund [2:46:37, 2:46:44]: London is gonna come from for sustainability. And so those are the things once I think once you start to work those things out. [2:46:44, 2:46:57]: uh then we can expand with other uh organizations like that. It it would be a service to this it w I I don't think it would fall up under the gratuity clause that set by the state because then it will be a service for the uh [2:46:57, 2:47:03]: It would actually be pro providing a service for the uh citizen, no more than what we're doing with uh, you know. [2:47:03, 2:47:04]: If we [2:47:04, 2:47:18]: you know, help provide a facility uh for something to happen, but I don't think that we can budget sustainability for'em, uh from for as Mr. What what Mr. Williams was saying. So I think that's that's that's where the uh rubber meets the road within. [2:47:18, 2:47:20]: All right. Thank you for that. Good information. [2:47:21, 2:47:22]: Castle and Barber. [2:47:22, 2:47:36]: Last comment, I know that um the Board of Commissioners, they actually fund the well I think they did, they actually fund Connecting Henry. So the same way as they're funding their location in McDonough. [2:47:36, 2:47:44]: then I would kinda expect that they would fund them here in Stockbridge. Yes, it would be up to us to find a location for them. [2:47:44, 2:47:48]: Um but as far as annual budgets and funding for them. [2:47:49, 2:47:50]: Oh, with hope. [2:47:50, 2:47:53]: that the board of commissioners would be in agreement. [2:47:53, 2:47:56]: We're providing those funds as they're necessary. That's all. [2:47:57, 2:47:57]: Right. [2:47:58, 2:47:58]: Thank you. [2:47:59, 2:48:02]: Any further comment about the CARES Act funding? [2:48:02, 2:48:03]: Yeah, yes, sir. [2:48:04, 2:48:04]: Okay. [2:48:05, 2:48:14]: No, I I I asked a question about, and this is the final question, about what we can do to relieve the businesses of the increased [2:48:14, 2:48:16]: In terms of the [2:48:17, 2:48:34]: Uh it's time to renew licenses. And a few dollars can make a difference in this economy on whether the business is gonna survive or not. Is there any relief that we can give these businesses for as maybe rolling the licensing rate back to the previous rate? [2:48:35, 2:48:38]: Or some type of discount that will equate to [2:48:38, 2:48:53]: uh a lower rate. What can we do for these businesses in Stockbridge to show them that we wanna work with them and'cause everybody's not gonna be able to get CARES Act funding, but then we could do something universal for the business lines [2:48:56, 2:49:00]: to uh lessen the cost across the book uh b across the bridge. [2:49:00, 2:49:01]: Across the board. [2:49:03, 2:49:04]: Mr. Knight. [2:49:06, 2:49:12]: I think we're in the midst of business license pre uh business license um renewals right now. [2:49:13, 2:49:15]: Um, I think the increase was back in [2:49:15, 2:49:16]: Mm-hmm. [2:49:16, 2:49:20]: Early part of twenty nineteen, I think, is when that increase. [2:49:21, 2:49:22]: happened. [2:49:22, 2:49:27]: Um we're in I mean we're in the midst of it right now, so I I'm hard pressed to see how [2:49:28, 2:49:28]: Or [2:49:29, 2:49:36]: To see there may be a challenging to actually do something, reduce it right now. Now maybe going into next year's um [2:49:36, 2:49:42]: renewal situation, the council could um uh make some adjustment if if it that's your will to do it. [2:49:42, 2:49:48]: Um I just you know, I I think it may be difficult to do that now unless there is some type of [2:49:49, 2:49:55]: you know, refund or rebate refund given, um, discount given, but that would I think would be [2:49:55, 2:50:00]: a very challenging thing to pull off. But I'm open to any ideas if you have [2:50:01, 2:50:03]: Some specific desire to go that route. [2:50:03, 2:50:07]: Well, uh what I would like for you to do is to look to see [2:50:07, 2:50:10]: Is there uh what is the increase between [2:50:10, 2:50:13]: The previous rate and what this rate is. [2:50:13, 2:50:18]: and to bring it back to us to consider that. At this point, it may be difficult [2:50:19, 2:50:21]: But as a business owner. [2:50:21, 2:50:22]: It's very difficult. [2:50:23, 2:50:26]: to survive out there right now and we just need to show [2:50:26, 2:50:29]: Every bit of empathy that we possibly can. [2:50:29, 2:50:49]: toward any business and them surviving. So if there comes a point where we could reduce that rate on the business licensing in any capacity, whether we do a a dollar amount or whatever, can you look at it and then bring it back to us and say, this is what we can do to try to help the business. [2:50:49, 2:50:50]: This is out. [2:50:51, 2:51:09]: Sure. Yes. Of course, look at that. But on the course of legal legality, we voted on that. So I would think if we were going to do this, we would have to rescind that and vote again, I would imagine, on whatever or rebate or whatever the case may be. On the legal aspect, Mr. Williams, you what kind of comments do you have, even though Mr. Night's gonna check this out? [2:51:09, 2:51:12]: I mean what what wh where do we stand legally on doing something like this? [2:51:12, 2:51:17]: Well, y you set your rates annually, um, and so you would [2:51:17, 2:51:21]: You know, you it would take a vote to amend the whatever those rates were. [2:51:22, 2:51:26]: Once you decided what what the alternative rate would be, you'd have to vote on that. [2:51:28, 2:51:39]: Okay. All right. All right. So more I guess more to more information to come then in this aspect and we'll see how we want to handle this as a as a a collective group. Okay, any other questions with the about the CARES Act at all? [2:51:40, 2:51:51]: Okay, if if not any, the next item would be censor policy. Uh censor policy. And I'll I'll start with uh Mr. Williams first before we go into council discussion about this. Censor policy. [2:51:55, 2:51:56]: Mr. Williams? I [2:51:57, 2:52:03]: The um you know it it has been proposed that the council adopt [2:52:03, 2:52:07]: A a process by which the uh [2:52:07, 2:52:12]: You follow before any censures or reprimands are [2:52:12, 2:52:16]: formally made by a vote and resolution. [2:52:16, 2:52:23]: Um, right now you don't really have a process for censures or reprimands. Um, you really only have [2:52:24, 2:52:24]: Two [2:52:25, 2:52:25]: Um [2:52:26, 2:52:29]: uh mechanisms. You you have the [2:52:30, 2:52:39]: The removal provisions that are in the charter related to uh, you know, if a an elected official does something that violates a charter or or a law of [2:52:40, 2:52:43]: then then they are subject to removal after an investigation, et cetera. [2:52:44, 2:52:55]: then in your code, in your ethics ordinance, you have a process by which a any person can file an ethics complaint against an elected official, and then that gets [2:52:55, 2:52:59]: Reviewed and potentially investigated by the ethics board. [2:53:00, 2:53:07]: And then they uh um all they um are empowered to do is to issue a recommendation. [2:53:07, 2:53:15]: Um to the council for either reprimand or censure or potentially removal pursuant to the charter provisions. [2:53:16, 2:53:21]: That is all you have. Um, but as it relates to censures and things of that sort, um [2:53:22, 2:53:42]: you don't have a formal uh procedure. Um censures are in in in some cases perceived as political in nature, and then in other cases are perceived as you know a useful and necessary mechanism for self-regulating and and holding members of the government [2:53:41, 2:53:45]: governing body accountable and and and how you perceive that [2:53:46, 2:53:51]: Um those alternatives, you know, e every individual can see it differently. [2:53:51, 2:53:52]: Um but [2:53:53, 2:54:11]: The many cities and counties across the nation have different types of policies related to censure. Some have specific rules that are codified in an ordinance that kind of parallel the ethics ordinance. [2:54:11, 2:54:15]: Some just have just general policies that they adopt that, you know, we we [2:54:15, 2:54:23]: will uh as a body not issue censures unless we go through a process and allow for investigation and a and allow [2:54:24, 2:54:27]: the person to be heard before a vote is taken. [2:54:27, 2:54:28]: Um so [2:54:29, 2:54:49]: There's a wide gamut um and and what you choose to do is is is solely within your purview. I mean it's it's it's uh again, this is an area for self regulation and and uh and holding each other yourselves as members of the elected body accountable. [2:54:49, 2:54:55]: Um and to that, you know, I'll I'll turn it over to to uh anyone who'd like to speak to that. [2:54:55, 2:54:57]: Councilman Alazana, go ahead, please. [2:54:57, 2:55:04]: Yes, sir. I the the the reason that I'm bringing this issue up is I I want to process. [2:55:04, 2:55:05]: I want [2:55:05, 2:55:10]: Every individual in America is entitled to due process. [2:55:10, 2:55:12]: In the city of Stockbridge. [2:55:13, 2:55:15]: There is no due process. [2:55:15, 2:55:17]: Three members of the council. [2:55:17, 2:55:21]: uh on a polarized council can simply take a vote. [2:55:22, 2:55:26]: Today, three members of this council could take a vote and censure you, Mayor. [2:55:27, 2:55:28]: Could send it. [2:55:28, 2:55:29]: Councilwoman Barber. [2:55:29, 2:55:31]: Cassim Merpro Tim. [2:55:31, 2:55:34]: Councilwoman Gantt, Councilwoman Blount. [2:55:34, 2:55:40]: We just three people just got together. They did something, whatever whatever the case may be. [2:55:40, 2:55:43]: There's no investigation, there's no fact finding. [2:55:43, 2:55:45]: A resolution is passed and [2:55:46, 2:55:51]: The it is it happens. Again, the mayor can't can can't veto a resolution. [2:55:52, 2:55:54]: A statement is put an official statement. [2:55:55, 2:55:56]: It basically is put out [2:55:56, 2:56:00]: on the city, an official censor is issued. [2:56:00, 2:56:02]: And there's no [2:56:02, 2:56:05]: There's no mechanism to challenge it. [2:56:05, 2:56:10]: It's just simply three members of the council get together. [2:56:10, 2:56:13]: And vote and then in the end. [2:56:13, 2:56:15]: You know, it is very political. [2:56:16, 2:56:18]: You know, over the past few years personally [2:56:19, 2:56:23]: I've seen things on the council where they've been handled very politically. [2:56:23, 2:56:27]: I'm not gonna go into detail on all the things. Some of the things [2:56:27, 2:56:30]: were dealt with. I felt like I was dealt with extremely harshly. [2:56:31, 2:56:37]: While there were other council members whose transgressions were simply ignored and never discussed. [2:56:37, 2:56:39]: I do not wish to bring up [2:56:40, 2:56:43]: Any of those issues or to to draw this out? [2:56:43, 2:56:47]: What I wanna say is I don't want anybody on this council [2:56:47, 2:56:52]: discipline in any way without receiving some type of due process. [2:56:53, 2:56:55]: That means there's fact finding [2:56:55, 2:56:58]: But there's an investigation or outlined by Mr. Williams. [2:56:58, 2:57:08]: or something that's taken to the ethics board, the ethics board will decide and the investigation will be done or independent investigator will be hired to blanch them out. [2:57:09, 2:57:12]: I will simply go back to the our city attorney. [2:57:12, 2:57:16]: And I would say, Mr. Williams, do you have the two centers? [2:57:16, 2:57:20]: Why I was censored. Do you have them available f to discuss? [2:57:21, 2:57:22]: Yes, sir. [2:57:23, 2:57:25]: Okay. Now those two sensors [2:57:25, 2:57:28]: A as you s as we as they were printed. [2:57:28, 2:57:30]: Uh was there a hearing? [2:57:32, 2:57:49]: Uh the the second one there was not a hearing. Um the first one I'd have to go back. I don't know if that was related. Uh I think some of it spoke to what was discussed by the ethics board, but but by and large, I don't think there was a separate hearing for that or either. [2:57:49, 2:57:51]: But it did reference [2:57:51, 2:57:56]: the the first set of uh uh ethics board discussions [2:57:57, 2:58:08]: Right. In terms of the ethics board, was I charged with anything by the ethics board or was I uh was I adjudicated and d and the ethics board decided I was guilty of anything? [2:58:09, 2:58:23]: The ethics board did not uh decide you were guilty. The the investigator advised the ethics board uh essentially not to proceed with those based on the investigation that they found that on the water, maybe. [2:58:24, 2:58:25]: What's the what's the point order? [2:58:26, 2:58:32]: Point of water point of water, if we're gonna go into personal indebteds or po personal things pertaining to whatever policies or whatever sector. [2:58:33, 2:58:36]: From from from Mr. Arizona on a personal level. [2:58:36, 2:58:38]: That's different between [2:58:39, 2:58:45]: changing the policy. We want to talk about changing the policy, a set of policy, then that's fine. Let's go that route. [2:58:45, 2:58:49]: sit here and to to talk in ways of adjudicating yourself or whatever. [2:58:50, 2:58:56]: then then that's not what the purpose of this discussion is about. That's that's a different separate separate discussion. [2:58:57, 2:59:07]: We're not disc if we want to discuss what Mr. Alexander stuff, then then then put that on the agenda. But right now we're talking about changing the policy, not what should have been adjudicated. [2:59:08, 2:59:14]: All right. Well I I I will continue if you will allow me to just simply say that um [2:59:15, 2:59:22]: What I am attempting to do is to show you how we have no process at this point. [2:59:22, 2:59:23]: And that how these [2:59:23, 2:59:25]: Censors were handled. [2:59:25, 2:59:30]: I mean, with a three to two vote, Mr. Blount, we could you could be done like that today. [2:59:31, 2:59:50]: A three to two vote, you could any one of these members could be done like that. Once one of these council members get changed out, or today we have a disagreement, three of us can simply vote with no fact finding at all and convict and simply tell the public. [2:59:50, 3:00:06]: your censor, your discipline, irregardless of my particular situation. So I brought this forward and and and uh I would like to see this uh move forward with because I want to take the politics completely out [3:00:07, 3:00:09]: Of a reprimand or a discipline. [3:00:10, 3:00:11]: The ethics board would decide. [3:00:12, 3:00:17]: Yeah, if the council member committed a crime of moral turpitude. [3:00:17, 3:00:37]: uh which is the law. And I think Mr. Williams did some research on uh some module some models, such as uh I think Santa I think it was Santa Cruz or uh one uh uh or several other cities that that was actually the case. I would like to see us move in that direction so that nobody under this board [3:00:37, 3:00:39]: Евер агін [3:00:39, 3:00:40]: Із дипленід. [3:00:41, 3:00:45]: without due process. Nowhere else in America can you be disciplined. [3:00:45, 3:00:58]: Without due process. I don't want to drag this out. Mr. Blount, I don't want to talk about your transgressions. I don't want to talk about mine. I don't want to talk about anybody's up here. I just want to make sure that in the future. [3:00:59, 3:01:19]: Even for your protection, I can't get mad at you and two other council members, and then we decide to discipline you without you having a hearing, without you having being able to justify that. So I don't want to expand on this item. I would just like to see it move forward. So I'm gonna make a motion to move forward. [3:01:19, 3:01:39]: With uh uh uh making this and codifying this into making sure that we have a due process when it comes to uh issuing a censor. A censor cannot be issued without an underlying charge of a charter violation. [3:01:38, 3:01:58]: Crime of moral turpitude or some type of violation that is adjudicated. You just can't simply say it. You can't simply take rumor and innuendo and whatever. The city charter don't cover it, the city policy don't cover it, and it's not a crime of moral turpitude or not. [3:01:58, 3:02:04]: no investigation is done, you just can't simply put out a statement. That's my emotion. [3:02:05, 3:02:05]: Mayor. [3:02:06, 3:02:06]: Yeah, yes, sir. [3:02:07, 3:02:27]: Um one of the things I want to discuss here, because uh you know, I I I don't I don't want this this this going too too far too deep. Uh Mr. Williams, uh there's a process that's that's right here now that says that we have a charter, we have what violations are, we have what [3:02:27, 3:02:35]: uh obstructions against policies or and and obstructions against uh perc. We we have obstructions in those uh in in our code. [3:02:36, 3:02:47]: When when any time there has ever been any violations anywhere, they've come to you, Mr. Williams. They've come to you to see if those those violations are holding any water before any action went forward. [3:02:48, 3:03:07]: And the process of any council membership, first of all, to is to should be to bring that to our city attorney to to to first to say this, yeah, this violates this code or this for for for uh legal opinion on on on uh whatever measures gonna be taken. [3:03:07, 3:03:15]: Because we're talking about you know, we don't wanna go deep into s deep into something, but this this is something that's happened uh uh [3:03:15, 3:03:21]: when we start to get personal with it, this is something that affected all of us, seven of us on this, on the Zoom. [3:03:22, 3:03:33]: uh things have happened. But we would hope that when we bring a violation up, that it the validity of that violation is given to us through our city attorney. [3:03:33, 3:03:39]: That yeah, this is. Uh if it doesn't hold water, then he should then I think I say the attorney should tell us. [3:03:39, 3:03:42]: Uh I don't think every every uh [3:03:42, 3:03:53]: Everything that happens, uh, that we we need to go and just grab the ethics board and say, hey, we need to do this, do that. I think a lot of things that's been done over the past years since I've been here have been done behind closed doors. [3:03:54, 3:03:56]: been done become behind closed doors. [3:03:56, 3:04:00]: uh among among the colleagues and so [3:04:01, 3:04:02]: Іно промі. [3:04:03, 3:04:05]: Is w we we're creating something that [3:04:06, 3:04:07]: І ро [3:04:07, 3:04:09]: That's gonna only prolong [3:04:10, 3:04:10]: Um [3:04:11, 3:04:18]: Prolong a process that don't need to be prolonged. Let me put it that way. Because if if you're violating the the the the the charter. [3:04:19, 3:04:21]: on on on on any behavior. [3:04:21, 3:04:22]: In this council. [3:04:23, 3:04:24]: Then it can be addressed. [3:04:25, 3:04:26]: And that's what's in the charter. [3:04:27, 3:04:29]: You know, we we we're not none of us are here to [3:04:30, 3:04:31]: Be friends, we're here to be friendly. [3:04:32, 3:04:42]: And sometimes behind closed doors it do get heated, but that don't mean we have to go out and be uh we we don't have to go to a certain measures. We live, we learn, and we move forward. [3:04:42, 3:04:47]: So when we start to talk about an extension of a process that should be something simple. [3:04:48, 3:04:51]: Uh everything doesn't everything doesn't have to go to the ethics board. [3:04:53, 3:04:55]: Everything that is that t in my opinion. [3:04:56, 3:04:57]: Mr. Mayor. [3:04:57, 3:04:58]: Um [3:04:58, 3:05:03]: I'm just compelled to just state for the record, just for the for the public that [3:05:03, 3:05:07]: You know, under the charter or even under the ethics board, uh [3:05:07, 3:05:15]: It is not my role to, you know, make a determination. I can give informal assessments, but ultimately [3:05:16, 3:05:19]: It's either the ethics board to make a a final determination. [3:05:20, 3:05:28]: uh or the the mayor and council to make a determination on on a specific violation. I can give an assessment or or give some general guidance. [3:05:28, 3:05:33]: But in unless a complaint is actually filed and submitted to [3:05:33, 3:05:38]: uh the ethics committee or or or is processed by the council under the charter [3:05:39, 3:05:43]: Um anything I say is really just an assessment. It's it's it it has no [3:05:44, 3:05:52]: uh legal uh uh weight to it other than, you know, again it's a it's an assessment and and not anything official. [3:05:52, 3:05:53]: Okay. [3:05:53, 3:05:54]: Thank you. [3:05:54, 3:05:55]: Councilwoman Barber, go ahead, please. [3:05:56, 3:06:03]: Um yes, attorney Williams, you said that there is no formal procedure for this process. [3:06:04, 3:06:11]: There's no formal procedure uh for uh governing whether the um [3:06:11, 3:06:17]: the council uh issues or how the council issues censures. [3:06:17, 3:06:22]: other than what's in the ethics committee, they can make a recommendation to the council to [3:06:22, 3:06:42]: that the that a member be censured for this reason or that. Um, but there's nothing preventing the right now preventing the council from censuring on its own accord. Um and and in in in most cases it's it's perceived as a a statement of uh you know the council's determination [3:06:42, 3:06:48]: regarding, you know, an individual's actions. Um the center itself [3:06:48, 3:06:51]: also has no legal [3:06:51, 3:07:11]: weight or merit, it's really just a a statement of the opinion of those members of the council voting for the center as to another council member's behavior, good or bad. And so there's the you know, just as if, you know, you don't have pr uh rules governing [3:07:11, 3:07:19]: um whether the council wanted to congratulate a a uh member of the council for doing something good. I mean, you don't have that either. [3:07:20, 3:07:35]: Uh it's really just a statement of of you know the opinion of the council. Um and you don't have rules and and it's proposed that you do, and it's not unusual that a city would have rules, as as I stated at the beginning. Many cities do. [3:07:36, 3:07:53]: All right, let me help solve some of this right now. Let me tell you, I've as I mentioned Councilman Alexander earlier today. Uh uh first of all, I'm not in favor of this ordinance right now. It's just moment. And um and we're missing one individual uh anyway for this part of the discussion that this would truly affect. I don't know why, but she's not here. [3:07:54, 3:08:14]: Uh so that's one thing. Number two, you're talking about an ordinance. I'm not in favor of this ordinance. If it happens to pass, I will tell you because of what happened last time with the procurement aspect and what I've sent to everybody and locally, just the council and key people, you know, when it comes to this this ordinances, these I consider these laws. And as my prior [3:08:14, 3:08:34]: preference that these laws are passed by four or five, okay, not on a three, three only. Okay. So as long as I'm mayor, if it's going to be a three over and pass, okay, the chances are I'll probably veto it. Okay. Now, so and and and I'm telling you what, I'm not afraid to do that. You know that now. So [3:08:34, 3:08:52]: So I mean it's it's fine. I mean we could, you know, the point of it is I don't like this process. I as I told Councilman Alexander, I'd rather have a policy versus an ordinance in this aspect. Okay, but we can we can have a motion and you can have a second to that. If it passes, I'm already giving you a forewarning what I probably will do within a 10-day period. [3:08:53, 3:09:03]: Okay. So M Mr. Mayor, one other point and and it's it's more procedural for tonight. Um this was added to the agenda as a discussion topic only. [3:09:03, 3:09:10]: And so my my impression was that if if there was a consensus of the council that we would bring something back. [3:09:11, 3:09:13]: Whether it's an ordinance or or [3:09:13, 3:09:15]: A policy but [3:09:15, 3:09:18]: I did not get the impression that this would be voted on tonight. [3:09:19, 3:09:39]: Fine. I've already stated my motion. I I stated my comments that I just wanted to make sure you knew that. But if you want to bring it back, fine. We get a full discussion with the council. And the council wants to make this change and it makes this change with four or five. Great. If it make a change with three, then I have a decision I can make if I want to make a decision. And I'll think about that, as I mentioned before. And since I was a [3:09:39, 3:09:59]: accused of not making my opinion known ahead of time, I'm now doing it now. So you know it's no secret that I may very well put a veto on this. But but but Mira, you're not giving your opinion. You say you might or might not. Weigh in. What are you gonna do? Okay, I'll tell you what, I will veto it. With that enough for you if it passes with three or three, I will veto it. [3:09:59, 3:10:19]: That's my opinion. Right now I make a motion to move forward with this item as a city resolution. Uh card uh as a city resolution to move forward. You don't have the courage to do it with, so I will just move forward. We'll move forward with in resolution form so that we can codify this. I want to protect every member of this council. [3:10:19, 3:10:27]: From this vindictive process that we needed to do. So I want to make sure that I stated perfectly. I want to move forward. [3:10:27, 3:10:29]: With this motion. [3:10:29, 3:10:32]: as a resolution to make sure [3:10:32, 3:10:47]: that no m council member is censored without due process uh or a viol uh a a crime of moral turpitude, very specifically a crime of moral turpitude, uh ethics board in vi uh a violation. [3:10:47, 3:10:57]: or an independent investigation. There must be a underlying crime or underlying violation of the city charter. [3:10:57, 3:11:00]: In order to issue a censor, that is my motion. [3:11:00, 3:11:01]: Here a second. [3:11:02, 3:11:07]: I second it, but I do have a comment. [3:11:07, 3:11:14]: I wanted to ask you, Mayor, um, what is it? Are you opposing the fact that this is a [3:11:14, 3:11:17]: may come forward as an ordinance. [3:11:17, 3:11:37]: Yes. The answer is yes. And I also stated that we don't have the full council here. I think this is something that the full council needs to hear. And I prefer, as I mentioned before in the early in the conversation, as I mentioned before, about a good month or so ago when I sent a message to everybody, and when it comes to ordinance. [3:11:37, 3:11:53]: ordinances, ordinances are laws. I have a preference that these ordinances are ch are moved with four or five people. If it comes to three, then I have the option that could I can accept it by the will of the minor a minority of the council or I can veto that. That is by a charter. [3:11:54, 3:11:54]: Okay. [3:11:55, 3:11:59]: And I always stated what I would do. So I mean we can go on and have more conversation you want, but [3:11:59, 3:12:06]: Well can I clarify my question to you again then? So the subject of this [3:12:06, 3:12:07]: Is [3:12:07, 3:12:10]: To approve a resolution or ordinance. [3:12:11, 3:12:13]: For um the sensor. [3:12:13, 3:12:14]: process. [3:12:14, 3:12:17]: The subject is what I'm talking about. [3:12:17, 3:12:25]: What is what are your thoughts about the sensor process? I think the sensor got you veto. [3:12:26, 3:12:46]: I think the central process right now, what we have in our charter and a process is fine. If it if we have a I'll tell you what, if we have a three-two split, if we have a disjointed disjointed council or for uh or folks are uh ganging up on the folks, you know what? That's an internal thing. That's us, all of us, to include me. That's us. That's something we need to resolve. [3:12:46, 3:13:06]: Inally by being more professional with one another, agreeing to disagree, stop chopping down each other, things this and learn how to get together and and work for the betterment of the people versus other convoy, conflicted type of things. You see, period. I mean that's that's what it's it's up to us. We we we have to control that, not just me. [3:13:06, 3:13:12]: Sorry, I missed that. I don't could say it again. It it comes as a group collective group. Okay, so [3:13:13, 3:13:17]: I hope that answers your question. Anyway. Um, Councilman I was entered. [3:13:18, 3:13:23]: Mayor, you know, with with all due respect, now you say you want the whole council to be here. [3:13:24, 3:13:34]: I'm just gonna simply point out the facts. When I was censored, Councilwoman Robinson was absent from the meeting. Yeah, you had no problem with that going forward. [3:13:35, 3:13:55]: The this is she was not there, could not participate. It was a three-to-one vote. She was absent. She was not made aware that the censor was coming ahead of time. It was sprung on us at the meeting. Yet you had no problem with that. I just asked of you, and I and you asked me to involve you in everything we do. [3:13:55, 3:14:15]: I did that. I'm not angry. I just want a proper adjudication to be done for these processes and for you to be consistent. If you allow me to be censored with one council member absent, why are you so uh gong-ho that everybody has to be here tonight? [3:14:14, 3:14:26]: It's my but I got it, but that's my preference at this point. Okay. Um you m you make in a you what you make changing, make a resolution. Uh we're having a discussion, we'll vote on a resolution, and then we'll move on. [3:14:26, 3:14:29]: All right. Councilman uh Mayor Pro Tem Thomas, please. [3:14:30, 3:14:32]: Uh may I [3:14:33, 3:14:36]: I I think the discussion is is a valid discussion. [3:14:37, 3:14:40]: Uh I think Mr. Williams um [3:14:40, 3:14:40]: Falk. [3:14:41, 3:14:43]: Ти та харт одес. [3:14:43, 3:14:46]: I I think Mr. Alexander [3:14:46, 3:14:47]: Um [3:14:48, 3:14:50]: Pointed out [3:14:51, 3:14:54]: Some deficiencies in the way we go by [3:14:55, 3:14:58]: uh censoring and and and those kind of things. [3:14:59, 3:15:03]: Um, I'm familiar with the charter and the charter speaks to [3:15:03, 3:15:06]: How to remove [3:15:07, 3:15:09]: An elected official. [3:15:10, 3:15:11]: Um [3:15:12, 3:15:14]: I think legitimately though. [3:15:14, 3:15:19]: Um we need to have a a a discussion about [3:15:20, 3:15:21]: The the threshold [3:15:22, 3:15:24]: That an elected body [3:15:25, 3:15:26]: Well cross. [3:15:26, 3:15:30]: Uh and then it comes into in into play. [3:15:30, 3:15:31]: Um [3:15:32, 3:15:37]: Just going back looking at the reason why and I think when Mr. Alexander asked [3:15:37, 3:15:40]: Mr. Williams, some questions. [3:15:40, 3:15:42]: I think it became clear then that [3:15:43, 3:15:44]: Um [3:15:45, 3:15:47]: Some of the allegations [3:15:47, 3:15:50]: Did not meet a certain threshold. [3:15:50, 3:15:52]: In order for for that to happen. [3:15:53, 3:15:54]: uh against him [3:15:55, 3:15:57]: Now I would you know, Mr. Alexander, if [3:15:58, 3:16:01]: And I don't know you you're making a motion for a resolution. [3:16:02, 3:16:06]: But my my hope would be that Mr. Williams [3:16:06, 3:16:07]: With with with [3:16:07, 3:16:11]: create a document or a policy [3:16:11, 3:16:15]: That would meet uh certain thresholds. [3:16:15, 3:16:18]: That are not indicated uh in the charter. [3:16:18, 3:16:21]: Now you know, we do have an ethics board. [3:16:21, 3:16:27]: I'm not sure at this point what that threshold is too, but in order to [3:16:27, 3:16:30]: To censure uh an elected official [3:16:30, 3:16:33]: I think it I think it there needs to be a threshold. [3:16:33, 3:16:38]: Um right now I don't think it is. Now we know according to the charter. [3:16:38, 3:16:40]: What it takes to remove [3:16:41, 3:16:43]: Let me emphasize to remove. [3:16:44, 3:16:47]: and electric efficient. And some of you all may have been around when [3:16:48, 3:16:51]: Uh former Mayor Stewart was [3:16:51, 3:16:51]: His trial. [3:16:52, 3:16:55]: And um and you know, and it was about removal. [3:16:56, 3:16:59]: And those things that was in the charter. [3:16:59, 3:17:01]: That council um [3:17:02, 3:17:04]: pointed out those thresholds. [3:17:04, 3:17:08]: But now for essential w what are those thresholds? So [3:17:08, 3:17:10]: I would feel comfortable with [3:17:11, 3:17:13]: The uh city attorney [3:17:14, 3:17:16]: Creating a document [3:17:16, 3:17:18]: That that would indicate [3:17:19, 3:17:24]: those kind of threshold. Now I I I'll I'll bring something else to your attention. [3:17:24, 3:17:26]: I remember once um [3:17:27, 3:17:29]: Uh councilman [3:17:30, 3:17:32]: Evans, I believe it was [3:17:32, 3:17:34]: Uh he was very tardy. [3:17:35, 3:17:38]: And um he did not attend. [3:17:38, 3:17:39]: Um [3:17:40, 3:17:41]: I mean, he was absent all the time. [3:17:42, 3:17:46]: And there and that were discussion that see there was no policy. [3:17:47, 3:17:48]: That governs that. [3:17:49, 3:17:55]: And they came back and created something. So I think it's the same in this case right here. [3:17:55, 3:17:57]: That there's no policy. [3:17:57, 3:18:09]: that governs how and I think it's true that any three council members can just say, well, okay, let's let's let's just do it. So I I I just think to be fair for both sides of this discussion. [3:18:09, 3:18:12]: That's a policy [3:18:12, 3:18:13]: Of a threshold. [3:18:14, 3:18:15]: Need to be created. [3:18:16, 3:18:20]: In order for this, you have as as Mr. Uh Alexander mentioned. [3:18:20, 3:18:22]: That it has to be [3:18:22, 3:18:25]: Uh some ethics violation. [3:18:25, 3:18:27]: Or it has to be [3:18:27, 3:18:30]: uh a violation according to [3:18:31, 3:18:32]: Um a policy [3:18:33, 3:18:36]: that the council has created. But at this point. [3:18:36, 3:18:41]: Uh it it's not there. And see, and we're not talking about how you remove [3:18:41, 3:18:42]: A cancer person. [3:18:43, 3:18:49]: But how do you reprimand a council per and see and and it should not be [3:18:49, 3:18:50]: Left up to [3:18:51, 3:18:54]: uh political interpretation or [3:18:55, 3:18:55]: Um [3:18:56, 3:18:58]: Or someone's dislike for someone. [3:18:58, 3:19:02]: So and I I think, you know, looking at our history. [3:19:02, 3:19:09]: I think this is needed. I mean, you know, the last few years, you know, we have been embarrassed. [3:19:09, 3:19:12]: Uh with these kind of infighting [3:19:12, 3:19:13]: And [3:19:14, 3:19:15]: And when it does settle. [3:19:16, 3:19:19]: I mean it it was really nothing, you know, um [3:19:20, 3:19:21]: So [3:19:21, 3:19:28]: I I I'll just rather for uh Mr. Alexander to to pull back on that and let's test. [3:19:29, 3:19:30]: The sea to turning. [3:19:31, 3:19:33]: to to create a policy [3:19:33, 3:19:36]: Something that reaches that threshold. [3:19:36, 3:19:37]: Um [3:19:38, 3:19:40]: I think that's the answer. Um [3:19:42, 3:19:45]: And I don't know in Mr. Alexander's resolution. [3:19:46, 3:19:49]: Is that what he's going to ask the city attorney to do? [3:19:49, 3:19:53]: But I think that's what we really need. And then we could come back then. [3:19:54, 3:19:55]: And then approve [3:19:56, 3:19:59]: of a policy that reaches [3:19:59, 3:20:02]: Uh those thresholds when an elected official [3:20:02, 3:20:04]: Majest [3:20:04, 3:20:07]: you know, violate something. But right now [3:20:07, 3:20:10]: Uh, if there's not a violation [3:20:11, 3:20:13]: that that adheres to the charter. [3:20:13, 3:20:16]: then you know it it's all political. [3:20:16, 3:20:28]: I I think that's I think it's an excellent uh suggestion. And and and the rest of the council uh uh likes that uh you know uh Mr. Williams you can do that. Alexander may have a you have a comment here, so what do you have to say, sir? [3:20:28, 3:20:29]: Yeah. [3:20:29, 3:20:34]: Mm uh Maypro Tim Thomas, that document exists right now. [3:20:34, 3:20:44]: Mr. Williams has created that document that has all of the above stated on it. Mr. Williams, will you read the document that you put together for a potential ordinance? [3:20:48, 3:20:56]: I'm I'm I'm definitely not familiar with that. I know what the charter says, but uh I'm not familiar with this document that Mr. Williams may be getting ready to read. [3:20:57, 3:21:08]: Yeah, I I gotta find it. I wasn't anticipating um reading it tonight, but um can you just speak to it by memory? Does it does it meet the threshold? [3:21:08, 3:21:09]: Of [3:21:09, 3:21:14]: of of any kind of violation other than what the charter says. [3:21:15, 3:21:20]: It it does and and honestly, you know, I I look around to, you know, what [3:21:20, 3:21:29]: other jurisdictions had had done um and and I you know listened to the requests from Councilman Alexander in terms of [3:21:29, 3:21:31]: What he had in mind. [3:21:31, 3:21:33]: And so the the [3:21:34, 3:21:45]: The the basics of it is uh no censure is is is made until after there is some investigation and an opportunity for that. [3:21:46, 3:21:52]: uh a person to be heard and and present a defense and that that's nutshell [3:21:53, 3:21:55]: Um and then in terms of you know the the [3:21:55, 3:21:56]: The types of [3:21:56, 3:21:59]: Things were along the lines of what [3:21:59, 3:22:04]: Councilman Alexander indicated, you know, you violate a law, you violate a charter provision. [3:22:05, 3:22:06]: Um [3:22:06, 3:22:07]: You know, I [3:22:08, 3:22:13]: And again I'm speaking from I can't remember the the other there's one or two other violations. [3:22:13, 3:22:18]: But you know, w it it it does exist. My recommendation is that [3:22:18, 3:22:26]: You know, that's something the council wants to consider. We formally put it on the agenda for the next council meeting. You all can see it well in advance and then [3:22:26, 3:22:28]: Make your decision at the next meeting. [3:22:29, 3:22:31]: Well that that's what I would recommend because [3:22:32, 3:22:35]: Uh I I think Mr. Alexander is [3:22:35, 3:22:36]: To that extent. [3:22:37, 3:22:40]: Um, maybe some of the time that he was censured. [3:22:40, 3:22:42]: I don't know if it reached [3:22:42, 3:22:44]: A violation [3:22:45, 3:22:47]: Um simply because [3:22:47, 3:22:48]: Um [3:22:48, 3:22:50]: There was no [3:22:50, 3:22:57]: There was no law, you know. Uh for instance, you could go out there and do something, but that there's no law. [3:22:57, 3:22:59]: That says that you can't do it. [3:23:00, 3:23:01]: So how can you be punished? [3:23:02, 3:23:04]: If there's not a law [3:23:04, 3:23:10]: that says, you know, um that you can't do it. So that that's sort of my point. [3:23:10, 3:23:17]: Uh and I think Mr. Alexander, all of the things that you are recommending or the threshold. [3:23:17, 3:23:20]: that a certain policy should should meet [3:23:20, 3:23:28]: I I and I think we're sort of saying the same thing, but I think what what what's not being said is that, and I know you said that is a document. [3:23:29, 3:23:32]: I think we need to look at the document and [3:23:32, 3:23:34]: Ви майни то. [3:23:34, 3:23:40]: uh enhance the document. Now I don't know if this document was in place when you were censured. Um [3:23:41, 3:23:43]: Those other times and so if that was in place. [3:23:44, 3:23:46]: Um as you just stated. [3:23:47, 3:23:48]: Um [3:23:48, 3:23:50]: Eighty three council members [3:23:50, 3:23:53]: Can ignore that. [3:23:53, 3:23:55]: And just censure you. [3:23:55, 3:24:00]: And I think that is the stop gap. That document should be the stop gap. [3:24:01, 3:24:02]: Of any [3:24:02, 3:24:05]: um censure process going forward. [3:24:05, 3:24:08]: That's how I I would see it in it. And if it did not meet [3:24:09, 3:24:11]: that particular threshold then [3:24:11, 3:24:12]: Um [3:24:13, 3:24:18]: It does it just does not happen. Even a reprimand, it just doesn't happen. [3:24:19, 3:24:23]: You know, you know, Mayor Pro Tem, honestly, we we sent you the document. [3:24:24, 3:24:27]: Uh we emailed it to you for your review to make edits to it. [3:24:28, 3:24:32]: And we did not receive any comments back. I'm not sure what might have happened or there was a system with [3:24:33, 3:24:34]: System error on the email. [3:24:35, 3:24:41]: Well, I can't I I I can't see I got it or not, but I I I would go back and look and and if that is the case. [3:24:41, 3:24:43]: I apologize, but [3:24:43, 3:24:45]: I will review that and um [3:24:46, 3:24:51]: But that I think that's that's what's needed. I'm glad you mentioned that it is there. [3:24:51, 3:24:56]: So I'll go back and and if not, if I don't have it, I ask the city clerk to send it to me. [3:24:56, 3:25:00]: And if that's the case, then that means the the entire council. [3:25:00, 3:25:01]: need to look at that document. [3:25:02, 3:25:02]: Period. [3:25:03, 3:25:04]: to make comment on that document. [3:25:05, 3:25:05]: Period. [3:25:06, 3:25:07]: All right. [3:25:07, 3:25:08]: Are we done with this subject now? [3:25:09, 3:25:15]: I don't think we had a vote yet. I made a motion. I see you know personally that [3:25:15, 3:25:16]: You know. [3:25:16, 3:25:22]: Do we want to put this on another agenda and hash this out for another thirty or forty minutes? I don't think so. [3:25:22, 3:25:25]: That's not what I want to do. I don't wanna bring this back. [3:25:25, 3:25:25]: Inhale. [3:25:26, 3:25:31]: Five council members up there talking about this for another thirty minutes. Why would we wanna do that? [3:25:31, 3:25:35]: I'm so sorry, you had made a motion, it was seconded by Councilman Barber, I believe, for a resolution. Is that right? [3:25:36, 3:25:37]: Any further comment? [3:25:37, 3:25:38]: All in favor of motion, please indicate. [3:25:42, 3:25:43]: Okay, all post. [3:25:45, 3:25:45]: Sustained. [3:25:46, 3:25:47]: Oh [3:25:47, 3:25:50]: All right. So it's three zero. Yes, sir. [3:25:51, 3:25:53]: Have no idea what the resolution. [3:25:53, 3:25:58]: Whatever paperwork Mr. Al designed to have Mr Williams to do, he sent it he said he sent it to L. [3:25:58, 3:26:00]: We have no idea what w [3:26:00, 3:26:18]: That's not fair to have a motion to approve something. We have no idea what what we're approving. The vote has already happened. It's been recorded. Properly. I'm talking to the mayor, Mr. Alexander. The vote has taken. Let me answer the question, Alexander. I mentioned that earlier, the fact that something like this needs to be sent to everybody. Obviously it has not. [3:26:18, 3:26:22]: All right. Then he reminded me that a motion was on the floor and the motion was and it was seconded. [3:26:23, 3:26:24]: All right, so we had to take a vote. [3:26:24, 3:26:36]: All right, that's part of the process. All right, in that aspect. I don't know how else I can help you help you do with that. All right. So the resolution is passed. The three z uh do are you you're opposed or abstained, uh, Councilman Blount? [3:26:36, 3:26:56]: Mayor I have no idea what the resolution is. I I I oppose. Okay, so it's a three uh three one in that aspect. So the resolution passes. So on that note, then I guess Mr. Williams, you'll be making a resolution to uh this motion that just passed. And I don't know whether or not there's still another policy letter that deals with some or policy that [3:26:56, 3:26:59]: It deals with the threshold that Mare Pro Tem was talking about. [3:26:59, 3:27:14]: Well if it's the same, same, same. Mr. Mayor, I mean I I have to point out what I said earlier before is that when the agenda was amended the at the very beginning of the meeting, it it was to add this as a discussion item and and not a voting item. So [3:27:15, 3:27:20]: You know, I y I I I see what the council did and and and we we we'll [3:27:20, 3:27:28]: get the resolution prepared and and signed, but but it wasn't presented as something you'd be voting on tonight. I just wanna point that out. [3:27:28, 3:27:29]: Right. [3:27:29, 3:27:30]: Understand? [3:27:30, 3:27:31]: Um [3:27:32, 3:27:33]: Yep, Councilman Alison, go ahead. [3:27:34, 3:27:36]: Yes, sir. I I um [3:27:36, 3:27:38]: I want to amend the agenda. [3:27:39, 3:27:40]: Been a gen for what now? [3:27:40, 3:27:45]: I wanna Mr. Williams, I want you to read out the two censures that were made against me. [3:27:46, 3:28:00]: What wa wait a minute. Mr. Williams Mr. Williams has the documents in his hand. The two censors that were made against me. I want Mr. Williams to read the resolution numbers on both of them. [3:28:01, 3:28:03]: Resolution numbers. Yes. [3:28:04, 3:28:06]: What point of water, mayor? [3:28:06, 3:28:07]: Yes, go ahead, sir. One second. [3:28:08, 3:28:20]: The the what is the what is the motion for? There's no motion, there's no second. W th this is not even a discussion item. What is the what are we doing? I made a motion to amend the agenda. [3:28:20, 3:28:28]: So what we well hold hold on a second. You did maybe say that, but I didn't I didn't hear a second. First of all, good point. I didn't hear a second. Is there a second to do this? [3:28:30, 3:28:31]: No second. [3:28:31, 3:28:34]: Have a question. I need to understand. [3:28:34, 3:28:39]: Um the motion is just simply to get the sensor numbers. [3:28:39, 3:28:56]: The the motion is to get the two censor to discuss the two censors that was made against Councilman Alexander. The two censors we're gonna this is a personnel action. I would think this is something we'd be discussing. No sir, I want to discuss it out here. That's why I made the motion. I have [3:28:56, 3:28:57]: Uh [3:28:57, 3:29:01]: The two censors that were made against me, I would like to discuss them. [3:29:02, 3:29:08]: Well, once again, this to me this is with these things were done. These things excuse me. [3:29:10, 3:29:13]: These things but these he seconded the motion. [3:29:15, 3:29:25]: These things were done in executive s executive sessions a personnel issue. I would think to be executive session type of discussion, I would assume. Not publicly. [3:29:26, 3:29:35]: No, the the the we the vote was made in public. I just wanna I made a motion, it's been seconded, so we just added it to the agenda. [3:29:38, 3:29:51]: No, Mr. Williams. You still need a vote on the motion. It was moved and seconded to add it to the agenda for discussion. And so now you need a vote. [3:29:51, 3:29:53]: My council Barber, you second that is that correct? [3:29:55, 3:29:59]: Can I make a comment first or ask a question first? [3:30:00, 3:30:01]: Go ahead, make a comment. [3:30:01, 3:30:03]: Okay. My comment is [3:30:05, 3:30:07]: I do not. [3:30:07, 3:30:10]: Want us to engage in [3:30:11, 3:30:12]: Back and forth. [3:30:12, 3:30:15]: With issues such as that. [3:30:16, 3:30:18]: that happened in the past, not hearing public. [3:30:19, 3:30:21]: Um if we can have this discussion. [3:30:22, 3:30:26]: Um, behind closed doors, I would prefer that we do that. [3:30:26, 3:30:30]: I'm not understanding why we need to have the conversation. [3:30:31, 3:30:31]: Right here. [3:30:32, 3:30:33]: Um [3:30:36, 3:30:45]: All right. That you you made it. Do you want to withdraw your second, but or are you going to remain that second? I mean, I you're the one to second that. So I'm not sure where you want to stand on on that now. [3:30:46, 3:30:52]: I'll withdraw my second. All right, Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. Go ahead, sir. Uh comment. Um [3:30:52, 3:30:55]: I was trying to raise my hand to go back to the [3:30:56, 3:31:00]: Original uh motion for the resolution. [3:31:00, 3:31:01]: Um [3:31:02, 3:31:06]: What I like to have attached to that resolution is [3:31:06, 3:31:08]: Діс полісі [3:31:08, 3:31:11]: that everyone uh alluding to. [3:31:12, 3:31:15]: I I think that document need to be [3:31:15, 3:31:18]: uh attached to to to this resolution. [3:31:19, 3:31:26]: Um it it just makes sense. But I I'm going to agree with uh uh councilwoman barber, Mr. Alexander. [3:31:26, 3:31:27]: Um [3:31:28, 3:31:30]: That has happened. It's in the past. [3:31:31, 3:31:37]: You know, it it may you may look at it as uh it w it was uh unfortunate that it happened. [3:31:37, 3:31:40]: I I don't see the benefit or the merit. [3:31:41, 3:31:43]: In hashing that out now it happened. [3:31:44, 3:31:46]: I'm about trying to move forward. [3:31:46, 3:31:48]: Um [3:31:48, 3:31:51]: Try to be uh result oriented. [3:31:52, 3:31:56]: Uh I I don't see the benefit, Mr. Alexander, of rehashing that. [3:31:57, 3:31:59]: But I do see the benefit of [3:31:59, 3:32:03]: uh of attaching attack attaching the [3:32:04, 3:32:08]: Uh document that you said that you sent to me and I think [3:32:08, 3:32:11]: uh blood and Mayor, you know. [3:32:12, 3:32:15]: I just think that that document is is where we are. [3:32:15, 3:32:17]: Uh, I do agree with you that. [3:32:18, 3:32:19]: Uh what happened [3:32:20, 3:32:21]: Probably did not. [3:32:22, 3:32:25]: reach a a threshold or or whatever and I know [3:32:26, 3:32:28]: I was a part of uh some of those votes. [3:32:28, 3:32:32]: Uh but the way you laid it out, I I I can see now that [3:32:32, 3:32:37]: It did not meet um the threshold of any kind of violation. [3:32:37, 3:32:41]: But I just say that what's important right now [3:32:41, 3:32:50]: is to go back and and retrieve this document that you're referring to. Let's look at it, let's correct it, and let's make this a policy [3:32:51, 3:32:54]: that will will stand um [3:32:54, 3:33:03]: You know, exactly what we're talking about, but I I'm not in favor at this point of uh rehashing anything. And from my understanding, we do have an executive session. [3:33:03, 3:33:09]: Right, we can we we can discuss it in executive session. Well, Mr. Alexander, I I'm just again um [3:33:09, 3:33:19]: I think you've gotten what you really need as far as a policy, a resolution for a policy. Let's be satisfied with that because that is what's moving us forward. [3:33:19, 3:33:25]: Going backwards and rehashing that, I don't know what you're trying to um accomplish with that. And so [3:33:26, 3:33:31]: I'm going to see it off of every time I Google my name, that's the first thing that comes up. [3:33:31, 3:33:38]: But but Mr. I don't know if if that's going to remove that. Sure it will. Well, let's talk about an executive session. [3:33:38, 3:33:46]: All right, but now wait a minute. Now there's still is still a motion, there's a resolution, a motion, and you uh Thomas I I would draw my motion. [3:33:47, 3:33:51]: Uh the the motion the what I s supported, Mr. Mayor. [3:33:52, 3:33:54]: Was the original resolution? [3:33:54, 3:33:56]: to to create [3:33:56, 3:34:06]: a resolution for the threshold for uh censuring a reprimand. Uh Mr. Alexander said that that was a document that existed. [3:34:06, 3:34:14]: Um I I can't recall it. Mr. Williams said that it is. So that could be attached to [3:34:14, 3:34:17]: Um the resolution that we're going to prepare. [3:34:18, 3:34:20]: And that we need to amend [3:34:20, 3:34:25]: of whatever we need to do with that, I think that is the document that I would support. [3:34:25, 3:34:28]: I think that is the document that will move us forward. [3:34:29, 3:34:30]: Um [3:34:30, 3:34:31]: I'm okay with that. [3:34:31, 3:34:51]: Yeah, and that and that Mr. Alexander, I mean, I understand that that you know your point about your your name is outdated infamy. I understand that part, but I just think you know, another let's discuss that in executive session, so let's let's not let's not carry. Oh okay, Mr. Mayor, I'm I'm gonna yield back. Okay, no problem. Then so I'm I'm assuming that document. [3:34:51, 3:34:56]: document that you were supposed to get Mayor Pro Tem Thomas, that document needs to go to the entire council. [3:34:57, 3:35:00]: Well it need it need to be attached to the [3:35:00, 3:35:01]: Um [3:35:02, 3:35:03]: The the upcoming [3:35:04, 3:35:05]: Резолюцін [3:35:05, 3:35:06]: Okay. [3:35:06, 3:35:08]: that Mr. William has been tasked to create. [3:35:09, 3:35:09]: Okay. [3:35:10, 3:35:11]: All right. [3:35:12, 3:35:18]: Now I'm gonna go on. So what we have next would be uh my comments, all right. [3:35:19, 3:35:29]: So what I have first here is that for in reference to my comments, I have a um a proclamation I need to read in my comments here. And it's for shop small Saturday. [3:35:29, 3:35:36]: in November twenty eighth, twenty twenty, whereas American Spreads created small business Saturday in tw uh twenty ten. [3:35:36, 3:35:43]: as a way to help small businesses get more customers. And the celebration has since become an annual shopping tradition. [3:35:43, 3:35:45]: on a Saturday following Thanksgiving. [3:35:46, 3:35:50]: Whereas the city of Stockbridge recognizes the value of importance of small businesses. [3:35:51, 3:35:53]: to the local, regional and national economy. [3:35:53, 3:36:01]: And whereas the majority of consumers, which is 94%, value the contributions that small businesses make in their community. [3:36:01, 3:36:11]: And whereas US small businesses are responsible for four point eight trillion in GDP, equivalent to a third largest economy in the world. [3:36:12, 3:36:20]: Whereas the the average of two-thirds of every dollar, which is sixty-seven cents, spent at small businesses in the US stays in a local community. [3:36:20, 3:36:40]: Where small businesses employ more than half of the city's private sector workforce and are critical to the growth of our local economy as they continue to drive significant job creation and innovation. And whereas the city established supports our local businesses that create jobs, boost our local economy. [3:36:40, 3:37:00]: And preserve our communities. And whereas the city of Stockbridge celebrates our local small businesses and the contributions I make to our local economy and community. Now, therefore, I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority, vested in me as the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and on behalf of the city council members, Elton Alexander, Yolanda Barber, John Blount. [3:37:00, 3:37:20]: Lakeisha Gantt and Afonso Thomas to hereby proclaim November 28, 2020 as Small Business Saturday in Stockbridge and encourage local citizens to participate in Small Business Saturday by supporting local stores, businesses, restaurants, and other independent merchants throughout the Stockbridge community. When we spend local small business, [3:37:20, 3:37:34]: Thrive and even when small businesses thrive, we all thrive. I signed this proclamation along with uh clerk Vanessa Holliday. So this Saturday, folks, get out there and support our small businesses in the community. And of course, when you do that, wear your mask. [3:37:35, 3:37:41]: Stay six feet apart, as best as possible. Wash your hands, use hand sanitizer, be safe and spend the money in this aspect. [3:37:42, 3:37:43]: As you well know [3:37:44, 3:37:48]: We have a Georgia runoff election scheduled for the fifth of January. [3:37:48, 3:37:49]: So um [3:37:50, 3:37:53]: vote a new voter registration if you haven't voted before in a previous election. [3:37:54, 3:38:05]: Uh voter registration actually ends on the seventh of December. So that's a couple more weeks to get out there and and and get your vote of registration taken care of so you can vote in this runoff. It's your constitutional right to do so. [3:38:05, 3:38:09]: Early voting starts on uh fourteenth December. [3:38:09, 3:38:15]: And obviously uh Merle Manders Conference Center uh would be available before you do that early voting. [3:38:16, 3:38:20]: And as well as a many many other different locations uh to do that as well in in Henry County. [3:38:21, 3:38:26]: The last day of early bowling. Well, I have here January first. It must be a different date. It can't be January first. [3:38:27, 3:38:29]: It's what day what day is it? Vanessa? [3:38:29, 3:38:35]: It's December thirtieth. Yeah, December thirtieth. Okay. I need to change that. December thirtieth is last day of early voting. [3:38:36, 3:38:43]: All right, thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it. And of course the the uh actual um election day is January fifth. [3:38:43, 3:38:53]: that's aspect. So what you'll be doing, I know there's a the primarily there's all the all the elections uh are important on this, but primarily we have the US Senate runoff elections. [3:38:53, 3:39:00]: where you have incumbent uh David Perdue, which is a Republican, going against John Alshoff and imp incument uh [3:39:01, 3:39:12]: Republican Kelly Leffler going against uh Raphael Warnott. Your constitutional right to vote, get out there and vote and let them know who you want in Congress and be in the Senate. [3:39:12, 3:39:24]: And obviously well know we're uh we are it's still in a pandemic. We'll probably be in a pandemic for several more months. And um the city uh uh the um state of uh Georgia is in the red at this time. [3:39:24, 3:39:27]: And so we still had a free covet nineteen testing. [3:39:27, 3:39:29]: It goes on by the public health department. [3:39:30, 3:39:37]: And um you can take that free testing at the Heritage Senior Center, 1050 Flores McGardy Parkway in Madonna. [3:39:38, 3:39:40]: But you first have to get an appointment. So you have to call the [3:39:40, 3:39:42]: Public health department accepted an appointment. [3:39:42, 3:39:44]: eight hundred eight four seven. [3:39:44, 3:39:49]: four two six two. Once again it's eight hundred eight four seven four two six two. [3:39:50, 3:39:55]: And the public health department uh is open uh from Monday to Friday. [3:39:55, 3:40:13]: Um 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Monday and Friday 10 a.m. 10 a.m. to three p.m. But they are closed on Thursday, which of course is Thanksgiving. And I would believe they're still open on Friday though. Maybe I don't know. I know I should know that. But um I don't know if it'll make I I think they're open on Friday as well. [3:40:14, 3:40:19]: uh but they're definitely closed on Thursday and if so in that aspect let's see what else we have here. [3:40:24, 3:40:35]: All right. And I will tell you that uh obviously um this past weekend we had a very successful event at the Murr Manor's Conference Center. [3:40:35, 3:40:40]: where he had a turkey giveaway, a drive-through turkey giveaway, three hundred turkeys uh were donated. [3:40:41, 3:40:44]: by several different um donated to by several different sponsors. [3:40:45, 3:40:46]: The Madow Investment Group. [3:40:47, 3:40:50]: The Savine uh Savane funeral home. [3:40:50, 3:40:51]: And JD Katerine. [3:40:52, 3:40:56]: We also had other sponsors there to help out with the actual food uh turkey giveaway. [3:40:57, 3:41:00]: We had the feeding God's people food pantry that was available for that. [3:41:00, 3:41:09]: Hollis Herald Insurance Company. And we also had the DPH, so Department of Public Health, were there to give free flu shots for anybody that needed those flu shots. [3:41:10, 3:41:21]: And then also we had Alpha File for Fraternity Incorporated, the Rose Simulanta chapter right here in Henry County. It had close well over 7,000 cans of food to distribute to the customers, exclusive distributed to the citizens coming through. [3:41:21, 3:41:26]: And so um had a very successful event. We'll look forward to doing something like that in the future as well. [3:41:27, 3:41:31]: And uh course this Thursday is happy is Thanksgiving, so happy Thanksgiving to everybody. [3:41:31, 3:41:36]: And want you to please have a safe uh holiday weekend, uh holiday itself and [3:41:36, 3:41:37]: And um [3:41:37, 3:41:45]: Be be with your family and be safe, of course, with that as well. The mask and six feet distance and distance and wash your hands. [3:41:45, 3:41:51]: And we've kind of talked about this as Ness Common. We talked about this um several times in the course of our meeting uh this evening. [3:41:51, 3:41:54]: Uh but we're looking forward to having a potential town hall. [3:41:54, 3:42:02]: uh meeting, uh town hall meeting, uh probably the first week of December in reference to uh police services and the police service uh police department. [3:42:03, 3:42:07]: And where we'll cover several different topics involving the current uh police heavy county arrangement. [3:42:08, 3:42:12]: that we have the current millage, the current millage rate calculation piece. [3:42:13, 3:42:33]: you know, some type of idea and comparison of what other cities our size have for police department itself and talk about the general fund and the implication of that and the cost factor. And UGA gave us a some type of study about that. We'll talk about that as well as as well. And then of course we'll invite citizens to have comments and questions to that. So we're looking forward to that uh with [3:42:33, 3:42:42]: Within the first uh say first 10 days or so of December, we'll advertise and get it planned out and it'll be by Zoom, of course. All right. And let's see here. [3:42:45, 3:42:55]: Other types of upcoming events. Um Main Street Advisory Board meeting is Friday, December 11th at 9 a.m. Yeah, of course by Zoom. [3:42:55, 3:43:00]: Uh count next council meeting, which is Monday December fourteenth at six PM by Zoom. [3:43:01, 3:43:04]: The downtown development authority meeting is Tuesday, December fifteenth. [3:43:05, 3:43:07]: Six PM by um by Zoom. [3:43:07, 3:43:11]: And which is also the third uh Tuesday of every month and when they meet. [3:43:12, 3:43:32]: Uh the youth council advisory meeting is Tuesday, December 15th, uh, 630 uh by Zoom. It's also they also meet the third Tuesday of each month. The youth council meeting is Wednesday, December 16th at 630 by Zoom. And uh once again, that's the third uh Wednesday of every month. [3:43:32, 3:43:36]: And then uh we're scheduled to have a city council work session on Tuesday, December twenty second. [3:43:37, 3:43:38]: Yeah, six PM by Zoom. [3:43:39, 3:43:44]: Upcoming public hearings, uh public hearing adoption of our proposed FY twenty twenty one operating budget. [3:43:45, 3:43:50]: Is uh Monday, of course, uh December fourteenth, six PM by Zoom. [3:43:50, 3:43:58]: And uh we also have a uh public um rezoning case number RZ2020. [3:43:58, 3:44:02]: uh dash zero two uh Monday December fourteenth at six PM [3:44:03, 3:44:23]: And of course, all city offices will be closed Thursday on Thanksgiving. And the 27th will also the observance of Thanksgiving holiday. And I've already mentioned about Saturday being small business Saturday. So go out and support the small businesses and this aspect in the community and keep them thriving as best as possible. On that note, we have to have an executive session. [3:44:23, 3:44:30]: So I need a motion to go to the second session, please. Yes, sir. Just one thing. The public hearing for the rezoning item. [3:44:30, 3:44:36]: Yes. That will not be uh held on the fourteenth. The planning commission when they held their meeting. [3:44:36, 3:44:37]: Yes. They um [3:44:38, 3:44:51]: table that item to be heard on at their pl planning commission meeting on December 17th. Okay for the city council January 11th, 2021. Okay, thank you for that. I I didn't thank you for correcting that. [3:44:51, 3:44:57]: All right. On that uh note, uh we need a motion to go into to um executive session, please. [3:44:59, 3:45:04]: Is there a motion litigation personnel real estate? Yes, there we go. Litigation personnel real estate. Is there a motion? [3:45:05, 3:45:06]: Don't move, Mayor. [3:45:06, 3:45:07]: There a second. [3:45:07, 3:45:08]: A second. [3:45:08, 3:45:10]: Okay, all in favor, please indicate. [3:45:12, 3:45:22]: All all opposed? Oh everybody approves. Okay. Now so otherwise we have uh let's see what time I have. I have I have nine fifty-six. So we need about uh ten minutes or so. [3:45:23, 3:45:39]: Ten minutes or so to get a a new a new connection to get into the second session. And and we wanna make sure we keep this one open in a sense because we gotta come back to this to close out our meeting. So give the clerk ten minutes to get us a new connection. I'll see you in the second session here, roughly ten minutes. Okay? Thank you very much. [3:45:42, 3:45:45]: We already took a vote on that, so we're going in. All right. [3:46:44, 3:46:48]: All right, everybody got okay, everybody's coming back now. We got kicked out, but now okay. [3:46:49, 3:46:50]: Oh [3:46:51, 3:46:53]: That's a lot. That was a lot. [3:46:53, 3:46:53]: Muchísimas. [3:47:01, 3:47:08]: So I don't know what happened, but it seemed like we're back now. I just disappeared for Yeah, Mayor Pro Tem Thomas, I think he's got a there he is. Okay, there he is. [3:47:09, 3:47:15]: All right. So we're back. Now we got a quorum. Okay. Now, Council, I need a motion to end the second session, please. [3:47:15, 3:47:16]: Свому [3:47:16, 3:47:17]: Just a second. [3:47:17, 3:47:21]: I second. Okay, member for temp second. Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [3:47:23, 3:47:28]: Okay. Is there a motion to reconvene our our work session meeting? [3:47:29, 3:47:30]: So we'll [3:47:30, 3:47:39]: Okay, Member Kim second as well. Okay. Okay, there's an item that we need to bring forward to the public now based on a zebra session, please. [3:47:40, 3:47:54]: So Mr. Mayor, based on the discussion in executive session, a motion would be in order to affirm the city manager's decision and reject the appeal of Miss Camilla Moore with respect to her termination from the city. [3:47:54, 3:47:58]: So move. Okay. Okay. Motion made is a second. [3:47:58, 3:47:59]: A second. [3:47:59, 3:48:02]: Okay. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:48:04, 3:48:11]: All right, three zero. All right, that note motion passed. On that note, uh I make uh is there a motion to adjourn the meeting? [3:48:11, 3:48:13]: So move. They're second. [3:48:14, 3:48:17]: That's right. Okay. [3:48:17, 3:48:19]: Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [3:48:21, 3:48:26]: Good night. Have a good evening. Enjoy Th happy Thanksgiving. Woo! Happy Thanksgiving. [3:48:26, 3:48:27]: God bless y'all. [3:48:28, 3:48:29]: Stay safe. [3:48:29, 3:48:29]: Mm.

--- title: November 9 2020 City Council Meeting Via Zoom date: 2020-11-09 source: 2020-11-09_November_9_2020_City_Council_Meeting_Via_Zoom.wav --- [0:00:09, 0:00:09]: Thank you. [0:00:39, 0:00:44]: Good evening, everybody. I um just on the line with Miss Oh oh I see you now, Mr. Knight. [0:00:46, 0:00:48]: All right. I think this is now gonna work. [0:00:50, 0:00:57]: Let's see here. Uh it's got the entire council. No, we're missing a couple. [0:01:00, 0:01:01]: All right. [0:01:04, 0:01:06]: Mm, yeah. [0:01:08, 0:01:12]: Okay, that's gets in. [0:01:23, 0:01:24]: Now um [0:01:26, 0:01:31]: I'm assuming this is supposed to be on Facebook Live as well, besides the the Zoom, Mr. Nighton, is that right? [0:01:33, 0:01:34]: Yes, that's correct. [0:01:35, 0:01:36]: Okay. [0:01:38, 0:01:45]: So does uh Kai or who who uh is that the Shana that does that or Kai that does that, gets that going? [0:01:45, 0:01:45]: Yeah. [0:01:50, 0:01:52]: That would be um [0:01:53, 0:01:55]: combination of both actually Kyle would [0:01:56, 0:02:00]: Would launch it in Shana. Let me check and see if it's if we're good there. Okay. [0:02:24, 0:02:24]: I do. [0:02:29, 0:02:33]: Think someone has a a T V on that's not muted. [0:02:33, 0:02:34]: Absolutely. [0:02:35, 0:02:38]: Please mute your phones, folks, if you're not talking, right? [0:02:38, 0:02:42]: Got a T V, somebody got a T V going. Yeah, good evening, everybody. [0:02:43, 0:02:48]: Yeah, I better say good evening before I start saying TV. Good evening. Good evening. All right. [0:02:50, 0:02:55]: All right, we got a full company of the council now, but uh just wondering about the live [0:02:56, 0:02:56]: Yeah. [0:03:00, 0:03:01]: We are recording. [0:03:03, 0:03:06]: All right, tell you what, what do I have here? I have uh [0:03:06, 0:03:20]: I got 608. All right, we've got a full compliment of council. So let's let's go ahead. We need to get started. All right. So I'd like to call our council meeting, which is uh of course this is Monday, November 9th, to order at 608. And um [0:03:21, 0:03:25]: Councilman uh Blount, could you please give us the invocation, please? [0:03:25, 0:03:26]: Yes. [0:03:28, 0:03:28]: Yeah. [0:03:30, 0:03:33]: Dear heavenly gracious father, we come to you tonight. [0:03:34, 0:03:37]: Thank you first of all, God, for your grace and we thank you for your mercy. [0:03:37, 0:03:41]: We come to you right now, Heavenly Father, opening up our arms and our hearts and our minds and [0:03:42, 0:03:46]: And that you would give us the wisdom to make wise decisions, Heavenly Father, to move our city forward. [0:03:47, 0:03:49]: We thank thank you for each and every leader. [0:03:49, 0:03:54]: And each and every one that's on this call and each one that is b uh viewing right now, God, that we would [0:03:55, 0:04:07]: All be decent and in order before your eyes first, God. We will continue to conduct ourselves and conduct these meetings, Heavenly Father, and just be about the city, the city's business. We thank you, Father, for what you're about to do in the city of Stockbridge and [0:04:08, 0:04:14]: We just waited seedingly on to see the wonders that you have in store for us. We thank you, Heavenly Father, for everyone here. [0:04:14, 0:04:17]: And everyone that is viewing. And it's in Jesus' name we pray. Amen. [0:04:18, 0:04:22]: Amen. All right, ladies and gentlemen. Uh could you please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? [0:04:26, 0:04:38]: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic where the stands one nation under God, indivisible liberty and justice for all. [0:04:41, 0:04:43]: Madam Clerk, I need a roll call, please. [0:04:49, 0:04:50]: Mayor Ford. Present. [0:04:51, 0:04:53]: Mayor Prong Tim Thomas. [0:04:58, 0:05:00]: Mir Pro Tem Thomas. [0:05:01, 0:05:02]: I see him. [0:05:02, 0:05:03]: I see him. [0:05:05, 0:05:06]: You muted, sir. [0:05:09, 0:05:10]: Million. [0:05:11, 0:05:12]: Okay, I'm coming back to that. [0:05:12, 0:05:15]: All right, go ahead. Councilman Alexander. [0:05:15, 0:05:16]: Present. [0:05:17, 0:05:18]: Councilwoman Barber. [0:05:18, 0:05:19]: Present. [0:05:20, 0:05:21]: Councilman Blount. [0:05:22, 0:05:22]: President. [0:05:23, 0:05:24]: And Councilwoman Gantt. [0:05:25, 0:05:25]: Present. [0:05:26, 0:05:29]: May approach him Thomas, can we get a verbal from you? [0:05:29, 0:05:32]: Uh I am here. I I lost my screen. [0:05:32, 0:05:39]: All right, thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda. [0:05:40, 0:05:40]: Yeah. [0:05:41, 0:05:41]: Yes, sir. [0:05:42, 0:05:54]: Um, I'd like to amend the agenda agenda if it be the will of the council to amend agenda to uh include a uh drive uh drive-by on November the first from ten a.m. to one p.m. [0:05:54, 0:05:58]: The November twenty first with food drive. Do you use Merle Manders? [0:05:58, 0:06:01]: Yes. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate is there a second to that? [0:06:02, 0:06:06]: My second. Can you repeat that please? Because his microphone was going in and out. [0:06:07, 0:06:13]: Oh, it's uh it's a drive by Turkey Food Drive, uh November the uh twenty first. [0:06:13, 0:06:15]: From ten AM to one PM. [0:06:15, 0:06:18]: For the use of moral moral manners. Use of moral manners. [0:06:20, 0:06:21]: And that second was from [0:06:21, 0:06:24]: Uh uh Gantt I believe. Gantt. Okay, thank you. [0:06:25, 0:06:25]: Okay. [0:06:25, 0:06:27]: M Mr Mayor? Yes, sir. [0:06:28, 0:06:31]: Uh I can hear everyone, but I've lost [0:06:32, 0:06:33]: My screen. [0:06:34, 0:06:36]: Um, I'm not sure what's happening. [0:06:36, 0:06:38]: We can go ahead and continue. [0:06:39, 0:06:42]: We can see you, Mayor Pro Tem. Yeah, we we can see you. [0:06:42, 0:06:45]: I can't see anyone else. Okay, wow. [0:06:45, 0:06:48]: Okay, so go ahead and continue. I'm I'm just trying to [0:06:49, 0:06:52]: Get in where I can see everyone else. But if you can see me, I guess that's good. [0:06:53, 0:06:55]: Okay, good deal. Yes, Councilman Alexander. [0:06:55, 0:07:12]: Yes, sir. Mira, might you want to explain the event so the public kind of understands and uh this is a good thing. Yeah, how about we'll we'll we'll do that. We'll have the explanation the conversation when we approve this, we'll put it on the agenda and we'll be able to talk about it. Okay. Thank you. So all in favor of motion, please indicate. [0:07:14, 0:07:17]: Okay, it's unanimous. Okay, so we'll put that at the end of the [0:07:17, 0:07:24]: Of new business before we get into discussion. Okay. And we'll be able to explain all that at that point. Okay. Appreciate it. [0:07:25, 0:07:27]: Thank you. Um on that note. [0:07:27, 0:07:29]: Uh council, we have approval of the minutes. [0:07:29, 0:07:35]: Uh there's September ninth meeting. We had a joint special call meeting with the DDA and the Main Street. [0:07:36, 0:07:40]: And then on September fifteenth, seventeenth, and eighteenth. [0:07:40, 0:07:44]: Uh we had our budget retreat. So these are all the agendas uh for your approval. [0:07:45, 0:07:49]: And if there are no questions, I need a motion to go ahead and approve those particular minutes. [0:07:51, 0:07:59]: Motion to approve, please. I moved. Thank you, Councilman Barber. Is there a second? Second. All right. Is there any further discussion on these minutes at all? [0:08:00, 0:08:02]: Or if not all all in favor, please indicate. [0:08:04, 0:08:10]: Okay, and uh Councilman Blount, are you voting on that sir? Right. Okay, now you now it's now okay, appreciate it. [0:08:11, 0:08:12]: Um [0:08:12, 0:08:16]: Vanessa, Clerk, uh Vinice Alde, do we have any public comments at all? [0:08:16, 0:08:29]: There are no public comments. Okay. All righty. We'll move on. So the first things on our agenda would be our project update, which deals with the amphitheater construction update presented by Mr. Knighton. [0:08:30, 0:08:33]: Uh and Carl, Eric Pitt of Ketkin Wood. [0:08:34, 0:08:36]: And the project manager manager [0:08:37, 0:08:37]: Mark. [0:08:37, 0:08:39]: Vogel, AC Russell Company. [0:08:40, 0:08:42]: Okay, so gentlemen, please. [0:08:44, 0:08:50]: Thank you, Mayor Ford. We have Kurt Volkel, who is project manager for uh HJ Russell, as you know, the amphitheater pro uh [0:08:51, 0:08:55]: Project has uh continued to progress at a very rapid clip. [0:08:55, 0:09:05]: Um and um they have um if you've been out there even this week, uh there's been tremendous progress made on all of the concession buildings. [0:09:05, 0:09:07]: And further on the um [0:09:07, 0:09:08]: A green room. [0:09:09, 0:09:17]: Uh the stage is is going through various um iterations of completion at the moment. Uh Kirk is here to give us an update. [0:09:17, 0:09:23]: Um on that project. Um, he was the primary uh person who will provide that update to the council. [0:09:24, 0:09:33]: uh this evening and uh we had uh had Carl Trevathon from Kekin Wood is having a little trouble connecting so I'm gonna see if I can get him a panelist invite. [0:09:34, 0:09:46]: to join us. They were more here in a supportive role to answer any questions if it if they arose. But uh Kirk was going to be the primary presenter tonight on the progress of the uh construction project for the amphitheater. [0:09:47, 0:10:02]: Uh Kurt, please talk to us, sir. Give us some good news. Hello, Mayor Ford. How are you, sir? Alrighty. Yeah, good to see you everybody here. Um, I do have a video. It's it's about a minute 43. Um, I think it'll give a very good um [0:10:03, 0:10:11]: um you know graphic representation of uh where we are and I'll give some commentary as we're going through it. So if y'all can [0:10:11, 0:10:16]: Um give me just a second. I'm gonna share my screen and start the video, okay? [0:10:16, 0:10:17]: Okay. [0:10:17, 0:10:18]: Okay. [0:10:26, 0:10:36]: Can everybody see my screen? Uh excellent. Not yet. And we make sure we make sure we need to give the host needs to give the ability for you to share. Give us just one second here. Okay. [0:10:45, 0:10:49]: Is that Vanessa Mayor Ford who's actually host Mayor Ford you're hosting or [0:10:50, 0:10:54]: I don't know if I now I don't think I have that capability this time, no, sir. [0:10:55, 0:11:00]: All right. I would have to go back if it's not Vanessa have to go. There we go. I think we're good. We're good. [0:11:00, 0:11:00]: Okay. [0:11:02, 0:11:06]: All right. Uh this is an aerial view and I'll go ahead and start playing it. [0:11:07, 0:11:08]: As you can see [0:11:10, 0:11:26]: From the outer plaza area, all of our uh wood framing is in place. Um, the ice and water shield, which is basically the vapor barrier that all of the metal roofs will sit on. All of those are actually in place at all of our outer buildings. [0:11:27, 0:11:32]: the TPO roof for the uh terrace level at the um [0:11:33, 0:11:43]: restrooms and the stage is actually in place. Uh the structural steel framing for the terrace level uh restrooms and VIP area. [0:11:43, 0:11:45]: That work is ongoing. [0:11:46, 0:11:46]: Um [0:11:47, 0:11:59]: Here at the upper level of the plaza and the um terrace lawn seating, the structural steel is also in place for the VIP. [0:11:59, 0:12:02]: Um individual booth sections. [0:12:03, 0:12:09]: We have not put the uh fabric on them yet. We'll actually wait until a little later on in the project and actually get that on. [0:12:10, 0:12:10]: Um [0:12:11, 0:12:23]: The bulk of the uh brick masonry work is completed. Um there's a little bit left at the uh green room. Yeah, I just sent you a link, my link. [0:12:24, 0:12:25]: Hi. [0:12:26, 0:12:27]: Say that again, Randy. [0:12:30, 0:12:35]: I go ahead, sir. I think he was talking to someone else. Okay. Okay. Um [0:12:35, 0:12:50]: There's a little bit of tie-in work left as our elevator and uh catwalk work uh progresses, but out here at the um plaza buildings, all of the masonry is ongoing with the last little bit showing up at the wheel call building. [0:12:51, 0:12:59]: The grading work is uh ongoing and well underway over at the uh new stormwater detention ponds. [0:13:02, 0:13:03]: Um [0:13:03, 0:13:10]: Our cat walk, you can see it starting to show up uh down here in the bottom right hand corner of the site. [0:13:11, 0:13:11]: Yeah. [0:13:20, 0:13:25]: That's just a close up of the uh terrace level of the uh green room restrooms. [0:13:25, 0:13:26]: Front of the stage. [0:13:28, 0:13:32]: That black area is a damp proofing material. [0:13:33, 0:13:36]: Showing up at a lot of our um exteriors. [0:13:42, 0:13:43]: That's the back of the Will Call building. [0:13:45, 0:13:48]: Uh pardon me, that was the restroom building. That's the West Concessions. [0:13:51, 0:13:55]: The pond work over uh on the adjacent acreage. [0:13:56, 0:14:00]: Pond number two and pond number three and stormwater structures going in place. [0:14:01, 0:14:10]: And this is the interior of uh one of the concessions areas. We have uh interior block uh painting and priming underway. [0:14:10, 0:14:11]: And then the um [0:14:12, 0:14:12]: Um [0:14:13, 0:14:16]: G Wiz, that's the um exhaust hood. [0:14:16, 0:14:20]: Yep, exhausted at the um kitchens. [0:14:21, 0:14:23]: I drew a blank uh staring at it there. [0:14:25, 0:14:33]: And then interior work is ongoing and underway. Also down at the green room, ceilings are are underway, jit board hanging. [0:14:34, 0:14:35]: Um [0:14:36, 0:14:38]: All sorts of overhead. [0:14:39, 0:14:43]: Mechanical and electrical plumbing rough in. [0:14:43, 0:14:45]: Um we're moving. [0:14:46, 0:14:50]: Moving pretty well down in in in the uh green room. [0:14:51, 0:14:59]: And throughout the rest of the buildings. Um overall, we are uh slated to um complete this. [0:14:59, 0:15:04]: portion of the uh contract uh by february eleventh. [0:15:04, 0:15:10]: Um November and December and January are gonna be some pretty uh busy months for us. Um [0:15:11, 0:15:14]: The grading work on across the um [0:15:15, 0:15:19]: on across the uh through roadway there. Um [0:15:19, 0:15:32]: That work will also be continuing on through the next couple of months as well. Um pricing is underway for the um grading and the storm work for that parking lot, the asphalt and the um [0:15:33, 0:15:36]: And all of the landscaping work over there as well. [0:15:37, 0:15:41]: That should be submitted to uh Kekin Woods. [0:15:41, 0:15:46]: Next week, uh pardon me, this week and we ought to be able to um [0:15:47, 0:15:48]: Go through that and [0:15:49, 0:15:51]: Verify the all of the uh [0:15:52, 0:15:53]: associated scope with it. [0:15:58, 0:15:59]: Anything else, sir? [0:16:00, 0:16:12]: That's it. If anybody has any questions. I I I do. I just I I I gotta ask this anyway. But uh so when do you think we'll be able to fully be completed and we can uh start operating? Sometime late spring, I'm assuming. [0:16:12, 0:16:15]: Uh I would say that's a pretty good estimate, sir. [0:16:16, 0:16:20]: All right, so all right, how about this? How about uh May? [0:16:21, 0:16:23]: Is that considered late spring? [0:16:23, 0:16:23]: Yeah. [0:16:24, 0:16:24]: Okay. [0:16:25, 0:16:29]: Definitely in the ballpark. All right. So you're gonna make my Memorial Day fantastic, right? [0:16:29, 0:16:38]: Yes, sir. And and I'm just gonna ask for everybody's prayers to um keep the January and February w uh rain away. Okay. And that'll definitely help everything. [0:16:39, 0:16:58]: Right, right. All right. Well we're looking for obviously we're all looking for this. The entire community, besides the council and staff, we're looking for this. It's a game changer for us in Stockbridge and for Henry County. It's a redevelopment process for our downtown area. And I know, Kurt, you live in a media area, so I know it's it's great for you as well, being a a Stockbridge resident as well. Ms. Alexander, go ahead, sir. [0:17:00, 0:17:01]: Okay, can you hear me? [0:17:01, 0:17:06]: Yeah, go ahead. Here you Yeah, just uh kind of wanna get some understanding uh [0:17:07, 0:17:12]: We are where we are. Uh I guess initially we had talked about a March time frame. [0:17:13, 0:17:15]: Um are there's some [0:17:15, 0:17:18]: Uh could you kinda update us on we on [0:17:18, 0:17:22]: We got now we're at May and we were looking at maybe [0:17:23, 0:17:24]: March. [0:17:25, 0:17:30]: Yes, sir. Um, you're looking at two different scopes of work, one for the amphitheater. [0:17:31, 0:17:50]: which was in our original base contract to work. And then the second being the addition of the parking lot, the grading for the additional five hundred parking spaces, all of the storm structures uh for that, the additional landscaping, and the additional two ponds. Uh currently um [0:17:50, 0:17:57]: We only have the additional two pawns um in our contract now via change order. [0:17:57, 0:18:01]: And the additional work that I had mentioned for the um [0:18:02, 0:18:20]: parking lot, the paving, um, the grading and storm structures, that work has not started yet. It we have just completed pricing on it and it'll be getting to Keckin' Wood this week so that it can be reviewed and then final approval on that pricing. [0:18:20, 0:18:25]: That that work was never in our base scope of work at the start of the project. [0:18:25, 0:18:27]: What about the through road? [0:18:27, 0:18:29]: The th the road is going running through it. [0:18:30, 0:18:46]: Yes. Uh we already have paving on about eighty percent of that. And uh by the end of the month, we should have the uh binder and curb and gutter for the remainder of the through road and the front of the plaza road and going on into city hall parking. [0:18:47, 0:18:54]: Okay, so for clarification on February the eleventh, your original contract portion. [0:18:55, 0:19:05]: is is what you're saying should be handled at that point. The addent the additions uh including the parking and the um [0:19:05, 0:19:11]: the water features and and the on the exterior, that is the portion that you're looking to move through May. [0:19:12, 0:19:13]: Yes, sir. [0:19:13, 0:19:15]: Okay. All right. Thank you. [0:19:16, 0:19:17]: Any other questions for Bert? [0:19:18, 0:19:21]: Well, go ahead. I can't I can't have somehow I can't see you right now, but go ahead, sir. [0:19:22, 0:19:28]: Uh I I guess if they could move the uh screen, uh take the screen off, I think we'd finish with that. That would be okay. [0:19:34, 0:19:35]: Let me put this on here. [0:19:37, 0:19:40]: All right, there we go. Appreciate it. Go ahead, please. [0:19:40, 0:19:50]: Yeah, uh got a question. Um I maybe it's been asked before, how many restrooms was in this design for the apathy of male and female? [0:19:51, 0:19:56]: Uh that's a good question. I can't answer that on the fly. Um I could [0:19:57, 0:20:05]: Uh get an email back to Randy. I would have to uh count it up. I know that there's um a substantial number of them. [0:20:06, 0:20:11]: at the main restroom, at the plaza building, and then also up on top of the um green room. [0:20:13, 0:20:17]: Okay. Um yeah, I think like I think the whole council would probably like to know that number. [0:20:17, 0:20:19]: versus the size of the um [0:20:19, 0:20:20]: Винді [0:20:20, 0:20:22]: Uh also the uh [0:20:22, 0:20:26]: I came when I looked at it one day and I think I brought this uh [0:20:26, 0:20:27]: Up to Mr. Knight, uh [0:20:27, 0:20:28]: Was a brick? [0:20:28, 0:20:32]: Because I when when I saw the bricks put on the different um [0:20:34, 0:20:42]: um s subbuildings of I'm just what I'm gonna call it the different uh buildings. I thought though though I I didn't think the bricks would be like that. I thought it would be more to [0:20:43, 0:20:51]: I thought it would be I didn't know if it would be more toward what City Hall looks like or a standalone. Mr. Nine, I think you had uh if you could kind of home me because you sure. [0:20:51, 0:20:57]: Right, right. I think that day when you or I were out there, it did look quite a bit different because we both made that comment. [0:20:57, 0:21:08]: But since that time, they have done some uh pressure treatments or pressure washing, if you will, of those buildings. And they actually matched it. It's pretty amazing. They match City Hall. The intent in the very beginning. [0:21:09, 0:21:17]: Was to they had to go find I think it was TSW, went and found this brick um manufacturer to try to match the city hall brick. [0:21:18, 0:21:28]: And once that pressure treatment and pressure washing was done, it it is extremely close. You can't really tell the difference between the City Hall building and the concession buildings. So it's it's a match. [0:21:29, 0:21:32]: Okay, la last question if you don't mind, uh Mayor. [0:21:32, 0:21:37]: Uh when we uh I heard Mr. Alexander asked about the internal road and um [0:21:38, 0:21:42]: And I so I hope I didn't miss imp in fact I'm glad you're feeling better, Kirk. I know that you had a [0:21:43, 0:21:44]: about what our uh [0:21:44, 0:21:45]: Pandemic freeing out here. [0:21:46, 0:21:47]: Uh but [0:21:48, 0:21:50]: The uh internal role [0:21:50, 0:21:52]: The widening of of Lee Street. [0:21:53, 0:21:55]: And we talk about the [0:21:55, 0:21:57]: Uh what we're doing on East Atlanta. [0:21:58, 0:22:06]: Will all this culminate together at the same time? Or is that on schedule to happen at the same time? Because if anything is set up. [0:22:06, 0:22:10]: Event wise, we're gonna have an interesting situation. [0:22:12, 0:22:15]: Mm Ms. Knight, I think you'd be able to answer that, please. Sure. [0:22:16, 0:22:26]: We hope it all comes together. The internal road was part of the vertical construction original contract for for Kit or for HJ Russell. So that has been under construction, as you know. [0:22:27, 0:22:35]: The external roads will need to be bid and bid very soon. Falcon Design has worked on those, the the parking lot design and the [0:22:36, 0:22:41]: Uh Lee Street and East Atlanta Roads. They worked on those, submitted those to both G DOT. [0:22:41, 0:22:47]: and to our um internal review processes, which they're undergoing right now. [0:22:47, 0:22:56]: And so that should be completed. Though those reviews should be completed probably within the next uh two weeks or so. I'll I expect those to be completed in the next two weeks. [0:22:57, 0:23:02]: They are preparing, Falcon is preparing, um, to um have everything ready. [0:23:02, 0:23:04]: To provide us with the assistance needed. [0:23:04, 0:23:08]: for uh bid documents to put those out to bid, I hope by the end of this month. [0:23:10, 0:23:15]: Just to follow with you, Mr. Knighton, on that. Well, because we talked to the the rep you know, we [0:23:15, 0:23:17]: Put out to the residents on Lee Street. [0:23:17, 0:23:23]: That this project and the completion of the amphitheater would be a part of the beautification. [0:23:23, 0:23:26]: uh project coming e also coming through that neighborhood. And I just want to see [0:23:26, 0:23:32]: where we're on track with that. And uh I just, you know, I would like to see that come to fruition. Right. For both. I'm sorry. [0:23:33, 0:23:45]: No, all together. I would just like to see that come together. Right. Right. That's that's the intent for all of these things to come together. We've got, of course, the vertical construction, we got the pond and designs, we got the parking lot, we got the external roads, we got all of these things. [0:23:46, 0:23:51]: trying to come together, hopefully at about the same time, uh, so that they can [0:23:51, 0:23:58]: Uh, provide for uh the completion of the entire project. And you know, obviously um H.J. Russell kicking wood. [0:23:59, 0:24:08]: Have been working to try to bring all of these different pieces together. As you can imagine, with a project of this magnitude, it takes a lot of work and coordination. [0:24:08, 0:24:11]: For all of these contractors, subcontractors. [0:24:11, 0:24:17]: um, primaries, all of these people working together and you know, I think the the vertical construction part of the [0:24:18, 0:24:20]: program a pro project is on track. [0:24:21, 0:24:24]: It's bringing all of these other pieces together and hopefully they'll culminate. [0:24:25, 0:24:29]: uh in late spring, uh so that we can uh uh fully and completely [0:24:29, 0:24:32]: have the amphitheater uh open and ready to go. [0:24:33, 0:24:35]: Okay, Mirapal Tem uh Thomas, please. [0:24:36, 0:24:36]: Thank you. [0:24:37, 0:24:43]: Um I wanted to make sure I heard correctly, uh Kurt. Um I believe you said that the third [0:24:44, 0:24:45]: Pon. [0:24:45, 0:24:49]: Was not a part of the original scope. [0:24:49, 0:24:51]: uh project number one [0:24:52, 0:24:56]: number two, I guess Mr. Nighting, why not? And [0:24:57, 0:24:59]: If it was not a part of the original scope. [0:25:00, 0:25:02]: Why? [0:25:03, 0:25:07]: At some point was it determined that we needed a third pond? [0:25:12, 0:25:19]: Actually pawn number two and pawn number three were not in the original base scope of work. [0:25:20, 0:25:20]: Um [0:25:21, 0:25:40]: Those two additional ponds were added once it became clear that the additional parking would need to happen on premises and would not be uh shared with the school on across the street or any um soft surface parking around the um [0:25:41, 0:25:46]: amphitheater area. So due to the storm water runoff and um [0:25:47, 0:25:57]: disturbed area associated with the park and the beautification and the paving, that's what determined the additional uh stormwater volume. [0:25:58, 0:26:00]: would need the additional on. [0:26:05, 0:26:06]: Well, okay. Um [0:26:07, 0:26:15]: It's logical what you said. I m I guess my issue was the original scope, but um I I think I understand the [0:26:15, 0:26:17]: rationale, if you will. [0:26:17, 0:26:19]: For the addition of ponds. [0:26:20, 0:26:23]: Okay. I guess I I just didn't understand why. [0:26:23, 0:26:26]: in the overall scope because we knew that [0:26:27, 0:26:28]: Parkin. [0:26:29, 0:26:30]: You know, should a [0:26:30, 0:26:32]: Well, Parking was in the original scope. [0:26:33, 0:26:35]: uh in that particular area. [0:26:35, 0:26:36]: That's trying to see. [0:26:37, 0:26:43]: how it was not in the scope, but your your answer, I understand your answer. I'm just trying to understand. [0:26:44, 0:26:45]: The original [0:26:45, 0:26:48]: uh scope of the project, but um that's fine. [0:26:49, 0:26:49]: Uh [0:26:49, 0:26:50]: All right. [0:26:50, 0:26:53]: Go ahead, Mr. Knight. Go ahead, sir. [0:26:54, 0:26:57]: Carland or Kirk may be able to confirm this, but I think the [0:26:57, 0:27:00]: calculations when they came back for the [0:27:00, 0:27:03]: Amount of a perfect surface and amount of the [0:27:03, 0:27:05]: Паркін спаси. [0:27:05, 0:27:12]: Those calculations then determined and yielded the necessity for the additional ponds. Is that [0:27:14, 0:27:14]: Yes, correct. [0:27:15, 0:27:18]: I understood that part, but we knew that [0:27:18, 0:27:23]: In the original scope we knew um parking and [0:27:23, 0:27:36]: I guess the um the amount of parking. But I I'm I'm satisfied with the rationale. I mean at this point, you know, we're there. I'm just trying to get a better understanding. So I'm I'm okay. I just [0:27:36, 0:27:38]: Um I'm just trying to um [0:27:40, 0:27:42]: Just trying to get a better understanding, but uh it it's okay. [0:27:44, 0:27:44]: Right. [0:27:45, 0:27:46]: Councilwoman Barber, go ahead, please. [0:27:49, 0:27:53]: It's a question for Mr. Knighton. So all the [0:27:53, 0:27:56]: Extra cost such as the furnishings and [0:27:57, 0:27:58]: Other equipment. [0:27:58, 0:28:00]: When do we expect to [0:28:01, 0:28:01]: Um [0:28:02, 0:28:03]: put those out for bid or [0:28:05, 0:28:06]: Four stones. At what point? [0:28:07, 0:28:12]: Sure. I think that let me if I can answer it in in two different ways. One is [0:28:13, 0:28:17]: In the original scope and what is accounted for. [0:28:17, 0:28:28]: There are a number of the furnishings like the kitchen equipment, you know, the the the the um other necessities for the concession stand for the uh for concession stands for the um [0:28:29, 0:28:31]: green room, those things that can make it [0:28:31, 0:28:37]: You know, the the full service kitchen, all of those things are included in the original scope. There are some soft costs. [0:28:37, 0:28:47]: speakers, amplifiers, sound systems, all of those different things that actually Carl and I have had um quite a bit of discussion and TSW actually Heather had quite a discussion this week. [0:28:48, 0:28:51]: uh about all of those things and they are working to um [0:28:51, 0:28:55]: Get some uh better understanding of what those will entail. [0:28:55, 0:28:58]: I would imagine that those would probably [0:28:59, 0:29:02]: Um, we'll probably look at December or January of [0:29:02, 0:29:08]: of anything that we needed to purchase or bid out, if there were some things that we needed to bid, we would do it during that timeframe. [0:29:10, 0:29:11]: Thank you. [0:29:12, 0:29:15]: Any other questions for Kurt or Carl? [0:29:16, 0:29:25]: Uh Carl, you c you came on. I don't know if there's anything that you need to add, sir. You haven't spoken. So I wasn't sure if there's something you need to add or say to the council, the anything at all. [0:29:25, 0:29:40]: I don't really. Um I apologize for being late, but I I think there was a mix up on my panelist invite this afternoon. So behind the scenes, uh Randy was helping me get on. So I missed most of Kirk's um presentation. Um but um [0:29:41, 0:29:49]: I don't really have anything to add to the questions that I heard since uh since Kirk spoke. Uh I think it's uh laid out pretty well, pretty true right now. [0:29:50, 0:29:50]: Okay. [0:29:50, 0:29:53]: Mayor. Yes, yeah. Go ahead, Councilman Bunn. Go ahead, sir. [0:29:53, 0:29:57]: Uh just real quick, uh if Kurt uh Kirk's still on here. [0:29:57, 0:29:59]: Yeah, he's he's he's he's still on her. Go ahead, sir. [0:30:00, 0:30:01]: Uh Kurt, uh [0:30:02, 0:30:03]: The question uh [0:30:03, 0:30:05]: Mayor Pro Tem Thomas [0:30:05, 0:30:09]: was asking and uh was one of my concerns in the early goans also. [0:30:09, 0:30:12]: Because we had talked about a design that showed this one. [0:30:13, 0:30:15]: Uh this one big pond. [0:30:15, 0:30:16]: And um [0:30:17, 0:30:28]: Now that we have three puns, is it something about s did some what di what dynamics changed or some grading that changed? And uh because I know that when gradings change. [0:30:29, 0:30:39]: um by s certain standards you have to create uh overflow and you have to cli create uh ponds to take in those uh overflows. [0:30:39, 0:30:45]: Um so you know, you you you have to you have to create them. There's something what what actually changed. [0:30:46, 0:30:59]: Um what changed from the base scope of work to where we are now is uh additional disturbed acreage. Um I believe we're well over um 10 acres disturbed. [0:30:59, 0:31:03]: Um where we were at the start was maybe six or seven. [0:31:03, 0:31:12]: Um the additional acreage disturbed for the um 500 or so parking spaces, the through roads. [0:31:12, 0:31:18]: um connecting the new parking area to the um amphitheater and through road. [0:31:19, 0:31:26]: Um that definitely created a larger volume of stormwater runoff that even the initial pond could not handle. [0:31:26, 0:31:40]: So um the engineers from Everly and Associates and um Falcon, um, they realized that there was gonna have to be additional pond work and additional storm structures in order to handle that. Um [0:31:41, 0:31:42]: Storm volume. [0:31:42, 0:31:55]: So it's it's a direct relationship of if you knock down trees and put a hard surface in place, water's gonna run off and it's gonna run off faster. So you need more volume to be captured on site. [0:31:57, 0:31:59]: Er, can I um [0:32:00, 0:32:11]: interject or play a little more on what you can is is it correct that the additional two ponds that you just finished that you've just had added as a change order are all associated [0:32:11, 0:32:22]: with the what we've been calling the phase two parking, which is additional parking. It didn't have anything to do with the initial base bed. It's it's it's for the additional parking. [0:32:22, 0:32:41]: Um that parking had to be pretty much designed engineered before those ponds could be built. Um so that those additional ponds are not it's it's not a deficiency in the design of the initial contract. That's just strictly uh a uh attributed to the additional [0:32:42, 0:32:42]: Uh [0:32:43, 0:32:46]: the additional parking and a disturbed acreage from that. [0:32:46, 0:32:48]: I just want to make sure that was clear. [0:32:49, 0:32:50]: Okay, thank you. [0:32:51, 0:32:53]: Any other questions, Councilor 40s two gentlemen. [0:32:54, 0:32:55]: A reference to the amphitheater. [0:32:55, 0:33:01]: And actually I can answer uh councilman uh Blount's first question. Um at a [0:33:01, 0:33:02]: Um [0:33:02, 0:33:03]: Quick view. [0:33:04, 0:33:09]: Total there uh there are seventeen men's restrooms. [0:33:09, 0:33:13]: Twenty-three female restrooms, two [0:33:14, 0:33:20]: family restrooms and six artist restrooms that are actually inside of the green room. [0:33:21, 0:33:23]: So um [0:33:26, 0:33:27]: Total restrooms. [0:33:31, 0:33:34]: Looks like there's uh forty eight total restrooms. [0:33:35, 0:33:35]: on property. [0:33:37, 0:33:38]: Fantastic. Mm-hmm. [0:33:39, 0:33:41]: Okay. Thank you. [0:33:42, 0:33:49]: Appreciate it. Uh you're welcome and uh thank you for the uh well wishes at the start. Yes, uh September was a very difficult month. [0:33:49, 0:33:54]: To say the least. I'm I'm happy to be here. Happy to see everybody. Good deal. [0:33:55, 0:33:57]: Alrighty. So any other questions for these gentlemen? [0:33:58, 0:34:15]: Anymore? Okay. I've not if not, well thank you for being here. I appreciate the updates and uh and uh everything that you all are doing. And uh we look we look forward to this fantastic project to change the change Stockbridge and change uh for the positive, of course, and change Henry County as well. So look forward to this. [0:34:15, 0:34:16]: Good deal. [0:34:16, 0:34:20]: Thank you, Jen. We're gonna move on. You can stay as long as you like, but we're gonna we're gonna move on to the next subject, okay? [0:34:21, 0:34:32]: Okay. Uh public hearing. First reading of the proposal, uh proposed FY twenty twenty-one operating budget, uh presented by Mr. Knighton and John Wiggins, please, gentlemen. [0:34:35, 0:34:40]: This is also yeah, like I said a public hearing. So we'll get the brief from you all first and then we'll go to the public hearing aspect. [0:34:53, 0:34:55]: Looks like you're looking to to share something with us, Mr. Knight. [0:34:57, 0:34:58]: I can't hear you, sir. [0:35:03, 0:35:06]: I'm sorry, Mayor. Let me see if I can pull this up. Okay. [0:35:22, 0:35:23]: Well. [0:35:42, 0:35:43]: Yeah. [0:36:11, 0:36:13]: All right, can everybody see that okay? [0:36:13, 0:36:16]: There we go. Now we got it. Thank you, sir. All right. Okay. [0:36:16, 0:36:17]: All right. [0:36:24, 0:36:32]: All right, Mayor and Council, this is the first hearing for the um 2021 uh City of Stockbridge uh proposed budget. This is the first of three. [0:36:33, 0:36:35]: uh budget hearings uh that we'll have [0:36:36, 0:36:36]: Um [0:36:37, 0:36:43]: I would mention, of course, uh for the council and the viewing public that the budget [0:36:43, 0:36:46]: is intended to meet the vision statement and mission statement. [0:36:46, 0:36:56]: uh for the city of Stockbridge to be the most progressive business and family oriented community in Metro Atlanta with a focus on enhanced quality of life initiatives, promote a sustainable live, work and play environment. [0:36:56, 0:37:00]: And the budget hopes to capture uh the vision statement and the mission statement. [0:37:01, 0:37:03]: in its uh development. [0:37:03, 0:37:09]: Obviously these are our values, professionalism, excellence, adaptability, communication, and ethics. [0:37:09, 0:37:11]: For which the budget seeks to attain. [0:37:13, 0:37:20]: Revenue projections. Um one of the things that we've experienced this year, which is of course has been unprecedented, is COVID-19. [0:37:21, 0:37:29]: Um, we do believe that there will be modest increases in franchise fees and licensing and local option sales tax. The interesting thing is. [0:37:29, 0:37:34]: Even over the past six month period, while we've been dealing with this uh covet situation. [0:37:34, 0:37:37]: The actual local option sales tax has increased. [0:37:38, 0:37:41]: Um and which is an interesting development. [0:37:41, 0:37:46]: Uh now whether or not that'll be sustainable uh into next year remains to be seen. [0:37:47, 0:37:53]: Much of that perhaps is because uh many people uh have been working from home and therefore buying goods and services. [0:37:53, 0:37:55]: in their present locales. [0:37:55, 0:37:58]: But that is something that bears uh watching um [0:37:59, 0:38:01]: Here in the next year or so. [0:38:01, 0:38:08]: We've tried to be somewhat conservative in our approach to revenue projections as well as expenditures. [0:38:08, 0:38:13]: Additional considerations, which we'll likely uh get into a bit in the next agenda item. [0:38:14, 0:38:18]: Uh, one of the things that I wanted to preview in this budget is the fact that [0:38:20, 0:38:22]: The council considers any bond issuance. [0:38:23, 0:38:25]: Uh that would be have to be or need to be. [0:38:25, 0:38:27]: A part of the general fund budget. [0:38:28, 0:38:34]: Um which uh would uh I estimate would be about four hundred thousand dollars. Again, we may touch on that in the next [0:38:34, 0:38:35]: uh agenda item. [0:38:36, 0:38:42]: But currently, as you know, we have a city hall bond issuance uh that's one point two million dollars that we account for. [0:38:43, 0:38:45]: uh every year in the general fund budget. [0:38:46, 0:38:52]: The general fund as proposed right now is about twelve point eight million dollars. We do have a couple of proposed positions, code enforcement. [0:38:53, 0:38:58]: uh officer and we have uh placeholder positions for building inspections, building permit clerk. [0:38:59, 0:39:01]: Сив інженір з парт-єм. [0:39:01, 0:39:05]: And then uh one item of course is the public works tech technicians. [0:39:06, 0:39:10]: Uh, proposed six from the general fund budget and two from the stormwater. [0:39:11, 0:39:14]: А фон бюджет Стормватер Фонд із Enterprise Fund. [0:39:14, 0:39:16]: Uh, however, our stormwater permit [0:39:17, 0:39:18]: рекварes у [0:39:19, 0:39:20]: Excuse me. [0:39:20, 0:39:21]: Requires us. [0:39:22, 0:39:24]: to provide a letter a a [0:39:25, 0:39:28]: Measure of um litter pickup and removal. [0:39:28, 0:39:34]: uh as a part of that stormwater permit. Uh so those uh two positions would be proposed from stormwater. [0:39:36, 0:39:52]: Again, the six public works uh technicians, two from Stormwater, uh primarily uh for limit litter removal, general maintenance, mowing corridors and streets in our public spaces. Obviously, this has been a significant emphasis for the council. [0:39:53, 0:39:57]: Um these proposed positions are intended to provide that level. [0:39:57, 0:39:59]: Of service to uh residents. [0:39:59, 0:40:04]: Um for our gateways, for our main corridors, for all of our streets. [0:40:04, 0:40:08]: uh throughout the city. Additional code enforcement offer is somewhat related to that. [0:40:09, 0:40:14]: To ensure that private private properties uh are compliant with our codes and properly maintained. [0:40:14, 0:40:21]: And then again, as I mentioned, the building inspector, building official, technician, and civil engineer positions are those placeholders. [0:40:21, 0:40:24]: uh in place if those positions were to approve. [0:40:24, 0:40:28]: And if the council uh ultimately considers a different uh permitting model. [0:40:30, 0:40:35]: Couple of things that I wanted to mention uh as well. Uh obviously the council had uh recently [0:40:36, 0:40:40]: Um approved the Juneteenth um holiday and also that's a paid holiday. [0:40:40, 0:40:45]: uh now and um t in in conjunction with some of our [0:40:46, 0:40:51]: Other uh uh events, holiday events like Memorial Day and Veterans Day and so forth. [0:40:51, 0:40:57]: I would propose about twelve thousand five hundred dollars uh in the budget to be proposed for uh Juneteenth. [0:40:57, 0:41:02]: um holiday celebration since it will be the uh first inaugural c celebration. [0:41:03, 0:41:13]: Uh again, additional modifications and reductions may very well will need to be made here going forward in the second reading, perhaps the final adoption hearing, primarily related to. [0:41:14, 0:41:18]: Any bond issuance uh certainly need to look forward uh [0:41:18, 0:41:20]: To that and ensure that the budget [0:41:21, 0:41:23]: Із респа, эзибитс гудстуршип. [0:41:24, 0:41:29]: And can fully meet the needs of service to citizens. [0:41:29, 0:41:32]: The second hearing is scheduled for November twenty-fourth, twenty twenty. [0:41:33, 0:41:36]: Uh, the third hearing is scheduled for December fourteenth. [0:41:37, 0:41:38]: Uh twenty twenty. [0:41:38, 0:41:44]: Uh, the budget was provided to the mayor and council for the charter and made available to the public sixty days prior to. [0:41:45, 0:41:50]: Um the beginning of the new calendar year, which would be January one, twenty twenty one. [0:41:50, 0:41:55]: That has been made available and um budget has been provided in accordance with that. [0:41:56, 0:41:57]: Of course, if the general public [0:41:58, 0:42:00]: Um has any questions? [0:42:00, 0:42:05]: Uh regarding the budget, uh they certainly can contact me as well as [0:42:05, 0:42:08]: Of course, uh council members had uh [0:42:08, 0:42:12]: conversations with with some council members and I believe there's been some information provided. [0:42:13, 0:42:18]: Um uh regarding various aspects of the budget. And as we continue to work through [0:42:18, 0:42:22]: uh the budget process we certainly would uh entertain any questions. This budget [0:42:23, 0:42:28]: I think um because of several factors is a bit different than gener than general budgets before. [0:42:28, 0:42:31]: Uh we have to work still have to work through a couple of things as I mentioned. [0:42:32, 0:42:35]: Um, but we look forward to ultimately [0:42:35, 0:42:36]: Um supporting [0:42:37, 0:42:42]: uh the mayor and council of passing a budget that can meet the needs of Stockbridge citizens. [0:42:42, 0:42:43]: Uh at a high level. [0:42:45, 0:42:46]: That's all I have. Uh [0:42:46, 0:42:50]: Okay, it looks like Maripo Tim, you're unmuted. I'm I'm assuming you got a question, sir. [0:42:51, 0:42:52]: Thank you, sir. [0:42:52, 0:42:56]: Uh Mr. Night and Council, uh as many of you know, I've [0:42:57, 0:42:58]: Sorry, um [0:42:59, 0:43:19]: made some suggestions uh about this current budget. I wanted to wait and in my conversation with you, Mr. Nine, you indicated that from the retreat, uh there were some uh modifications coming forward in this one. So I guess uh my question is [0:43:19, 0:43:19]: Yeah. [0:43:20, 0:43:22]: Do you plan on um [0:43:23, 0:43:26]: Making any other modification. [0:43:26, 0:43:28]: Uh notwithstanding um [0:43:29, 0:43:37]: You know, suggestions are coming from council. That's one question. But so let me just get my other one out and you can sort of address all of it at the same time. [0:43:38, 0:43:42]: I would recommend and I've sort of spoke to this before too, the [0:43:43, 0:43:45]: Third in co [0:43:45, 0:43:47]: Third code enforcement position. [0:43:48, 0:43:51]: I would suggest this person come in as [0:43:51, 0:43:54]: Somewhat a uh supervisory [0:43:54, 0:43:55]: Position [0:43:56, 0:43:59]: Um, even though uh it falls under [0:43:59, 0:44:02]: community development, I just think that [0:44:02, 0:44:06]: rather than having a third per even though the third person could still be in the field. [0:44:07, 0:44:10]: But I just think it it needs a little bit more oversight. [0:44:11, 0:44:15]: uh in in in the code enforcement area. So I would recommend that [0:44:16, 0:44:20]: Um, this third position be more of a supervisory position. [0:44:21, 0:44:24]: And I'd like for you to respond to that, but I'd like to also hear [0:44:24, 0:44:27]: how are the council members um [0:44:27, 0:44:29]: maybe sort of, you know, see this going forward. [0:44:33, 0:44:44]: Sure, Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. Um, your first question related to um the budget and if any additional cuts are planned. Yes, uh there will be some other modifications and reductions. Um [0:44:44, 0:44:52]: The budget as proposed currently of twelve point eight million dollars, I think is is reasonable for respect to and somewhat conservative with respect to revenue. [0:44:53, 0:44:58]: But we also again have that bond um matter that we're going to have to deal with. [0:44:58, 0:45:01]: as part of uh likely the general fund budget. [0:45:01, 0:45:05]: Um the coming out of the budget retreat actually the [0:45:05, 0:45:10]: Overall expenditure requests were well over fourteen million, fourteen and a half. [0:45:10, 0:45:12]: Плюс мільян долар. [0:45:13, 0:45:16]: And so that's been reduced already down to twelve point eight. [0:45:16, 0:45:18]: Um million dollars. [0:45:18, 0:45:26]: And so that that has already taken place. But again, yes, there will likely be some other modifications and reductions that will need to be made. [0:45:27, 0:45:31]: Um and then the other question um you had with respect to the code enforcement. [0:45:32, 0:45:33]: Position. [0:45:33, 0:45:40]: Uh generally, um, I would say in my experience in code enforcement positions, if you get to get to a number of three. [0:45:40, 0:45:48]: Yes, you could have someone in a supervisory role or more of an administrative role. I would say though that I think uh in in [0:45:49, 0:45:58]: in conjunction with what I would foresee and certainly what I think the council would foresee as well is that person uh not merely just being a supervisor, but being someone out in the field. [0:45:59, 0:46:11]: uh on a regular basis addressing matters uh throughout the city, but having some supervisory uh capacity. Um, but um that is something that uh certainly is not unusual and something that could be done if that is the will of the council. [0:46:13, 0:46:13]: Thank you. [0:46:15, 0:46:35]: All right. Well, if uh I tell you what, I think uh Mr. Knighton, your explanation about that third code enforcement individual and being a supervisor but also a worker, it sits well with me personally. Obviously the rest of the council might have some uh opinions as well on that, but I think that it seems that that might also satisfy the requirement for Merit Pro Tem Thomas. I don't want to speak for him but [0:46:35, 0:46:46]: But I he can hear me, but it would, it would. Okay. Uh so I just wanted to throw that out there. Any other comments or thoughts about uh about this subject right now for any council members? Anything else additional? [0:46:47, 0:46:51]: All right. Uh yes, ma'am, Councilwoman Barber. Go ahead, please. [0:46:51, 0:46:56]: I support the idea as well. Um, just so we'll have soup supervisory oversight. [0:46:58, 0:46:58]: Okay. [0:46:59, 0:46:59]: Good deal. [0:47:00, 0:47:01]: Anybody else? [0:47:03, 0:47:15]: All right, so are any other questions though in reference to the um the overall budget itself from the council? Any thoughts? Any questions from Mr. Knighton before I open up for a public hearing? Uh Councilman Alexander, go ahead, please. [0:47:17, 0:47:18]: You're you're muted, sir. [0:47:19, 0:47:27]: Sorry about that. Yeah, Mrs. Night. Now talk about. I mean, obviously the charge each year is to present a balanced budget. [0:47:27, 0:47:32]: First of all, is this a balanced budget? And then second of all, um [0:47:32, 0:47:37]: You went through this in painstaking detail to kind of review. [0:47:38, 0:47:40]: Uh the needs of the city. [0:47:40, 0:47:43]: Moving forward, could you kinda explain the process that you went through? [0:47:47, 0:48:07]: Uh sure. Um obviously the um uh the budget process begins uh with the finance department uh working with department heads to submit their budget requests, and that's well in advance. That usually takes place in July or August. Um and once that is finalized, uh obviously take a re a look at it, review it. [0:48:07, 0:48:15]: Want to provide that to the council at the budget retreat. Um, obviously, there were a number of things discussed at the budget retreat as it pertains to general fund, budget, capital projects, and so forth. [0:48:16, 0:48:36]: And out of that, um, I then fashion a budget that can be presented to the council that uh assesses revenue projections, expenditures. And that's where uh that those initial cuts and reductions, quite honestly, took place to try to get to a place where we believe it is reasonable in terms of revenue projections. Again. [0:48:36, 0:48:50]: revenue projections have been or revenues have been up this year from local option sales tax but again that is somewhat of an anomaly with respect to the covet situation that we're taking a look at but i do think that there are elements there [0:48:51, 0:48:53]: That do portend well [0:48:53, 0:48:56]: uh for us going into next year in terms of revenue projections. [0:48:57, 0:49:07]: Um, and so uh these budget hearings also provide an opportunity for the public to be informed, for the council to weigh in again on ultimately what will be the adopted budget. [0:49:08, 0:49:18]: And we'll continue to take a look at those services that we can provide in the most efficient manner. And take a look again, we're still looking at how revenues. [0:49:18, 0:49:33]: um project out. But trying to make sure that we have a budget that is sound and meets uh meets the needs of citizens. I will say one of the things that we did take a look at is travel and training, for instance. [0:49:33, 0:49:40]: Obviously, during the course of this year because of COVID, uh, there hasn't been a whole lot of travel. There's been some training online webinars, things of that nature. [0:49:40, 0:49:45]: But going into next year, I would imagine for the first quarter or so, there may not be much travel at all. [0:49:45, 0:49:52]: um in terms of you know education and training. Still training, but not traveling. And so those things we're trying to take a look at. [0:49:53, 0:49:56]: or have been taking a look at and continue to look at and and modify accordingly. [0:49:57, 0:50:00]: And in terms of overall uh [0:50:00, 0:50:01]: Um [0:50:02, 0:50:12]: Uh cuts and s to the budget. Um what what did um what what did you trim from the budget or were there any tr anything that you had to trim? [0:50:13, 0:50:27]: Yeah, there were the there were things that we uh we looked at everybody's budget. We looked at all of the budgets and and we made modifications. Um, you know, some of the areas that I talked about, some of your hospitalities, your travel and training again, some of those things you gotta take a look at. [0:50:28, 0:50:31]: We took a look at some um equipment um [0:50:31, 0:50:33]: Equipment and vehicles, those types of things. [0:50:34, 0:50:52]: uh that we modified uh and reduced. And so, you know, whenever you start with what is a submitted expectation or wish list, if you will, you have to pare it down. You have to reduce it and get to that place where there's realistic revenue projections and something that I can responsibly [0:50:53, 0:50:54]: Submit to the mayor and council. [0:50:55, 0:50:57]: Um that uh [0:50:57, 0:51:00]: That provides an an equal balance between [0:51:00, 0:51:03]: expectations for s expenditures and also revenue. [0:51:04, 0:51:06]: Is is this my final question? [0:51:06, 0:51:08]: Does this budget? [0:51:08, 0:51:09]: Outline [0:51:09, 0:51:13]: What you in your best professional judgment think [0:51:13, 0:51:15]: Uh this eliminates [0:51:15, 0:51:20]: And I always ask people what what we need. Y the buck stops with you. [0:51:20, 0:51:21]: So [0:51:21, 0:51:26]: Uh in completing this budget, you have everything in this budget that you need. [0:51:29, 0:51:38]: I think the city has everything that we need in this budget, this iteration of the budget again, knowing that we have to we'll make need to make a few modifications. [0:51:39, 0:51:42]: Again, one of the things that was a major point of emphasis. [0:51:42, 0:51:58]: is um maintenance of our roadways, streets, corridors, et cetera, and the appearance of the city. And that's where you see um the bulk of our expenditures coming from with those proposed new additions in in new additions in public works. And that's something that we heard from the council, that's something we wanted to implement. [0:51:59, 0:52:05]: Um, and the other issue again, as I mentioned, is the bond issue that we have to we have to grapple with. [0:52:05, 0:52:17]: And so putting all of those things together, I will say this. I think the staff has done a good job over the years of maintaining um solid spending levels in the budget. That's part of the reason why. [0:52:17, 0:52:19]: We have been able to [0:52:19, 0:52:22]: have our fund balance increase. Some of those are related to [0:52:23, 0:52:24]: Um revenue. [0:52:24, 0:52:26]: Yeah increases. [0:52:26, 0:52:31]: Um, but but this partially related to conservative budgeting and also [0:52:31, 0:52:38]: um in large part for department heads maintaining um responsibility over those budgets and ensuring that they are [0:52:38, 0:52:43]: uh they they they meet those budgets and and uh come under underneath their budgets. [0:52:46, 0:52:47]: Marble Tim Thomas, go ahead, please. [0:52:48, 0:53:08]: Thank you. Mayor and Council and Mr. Knight, many of you may be from remember the document that I sent out to council indicating some adjustments. And I'm glad, Mr. Knight, that you reiterated some of those issues because I think some of the council members were concerned. [0:53:08, 0:53:14]: That my recommendation and adjustments pertain to projects. [0:53:14, 0:53:18]: Uh but no, i it was not and I think you um [0:53:18, 0:53:21]: Uh mentioned Mr. Nine the fact that [0:53:21, 0:53:26]: Um there were some trimming that needed to be done in [0:53:26, 0:53:28]: Uh travel, training. [0:53:29, 0:53:31]: uh hospitality uniforms [0:53:32, 0:53:44]: um the whole cell phone issue, which uh takes on a whole different uh category. But I will say that in that document that I submitted to council uh uh a month or so ago. [0:53:45, 0:53:45]: Um [0:53:46, 0:53:51]: According to my calculation, it equaled up to about uh eight hundred thousand dollars and and [0:53:51, 0:54:01]: That's that's a significant adjustment, I think, because what I'm trying to look at is how do we fund other projects going forward. [0:54:02, 0:54:03]: And um [0:54:03, 0:54:07]: You know, Mr. Alexander, when you ask anyone [0:54:07, 0:54:09]: What do you want? [0:54:09, 0:54:12]: Just like you ask your your child, what do you want for Christmas? [0:54:12, 0:54:16]: then they have a a whole list of things and realistically [0:54:16, 0:54:23]: Uh you can't give um everything that someone asked for. And I think Mr. Nine, you sort of, you know, you mentioned [0:54:23, 0:54:26]: the fact of you know we still being able to um [0:54:27, 0:54:30]: operate soundly and and that's my concern um [0:54:31, 0:54:33]: When you have an open end [0:54:33, 0:54:35]: request what do you want then [0:54:36, 0:54:37]: You know, um [0:54:38, 0:54:51]: You know, you see more food on the table knowing that you can't eat it all, but you're gonna attempt to. So that's the position I take. I just wanna make sure that we operate soundly. Uh we continue to move the city forward. Um, there's certain things. [0:54:51, 0:54:54]: We just don't need um as much of. [0:54:54, 0:54:59]: Uh and then you mentioned that, Mr. Nine, about hospitality. I would s surmise that [0:55:00, 0:55:03]: The first quarter, maybe the first six months of the year. [0:55:03, 0:55:05]: Depending on um the pandemic. [0:55:06, 0:55:10]: Uh there will not be any uh in-person gatherings for the council meetings. [0:55:11, 0:55:24]: And so even though I know we probably need to leave some in the budget for hospitality, but I would suggest um, you know, we could trim that, but I'm going to wait until your next cut. Um [0:55:24, 0:55:27]: before I make my suggestions again. [0:55:27, 0:55:45]: Um, but one thing I do know, and I just want everybody to understand this, and some of you already do, um, I scrutinized the budget very well. Um, I learned this some years ago about how to look at the budget, look at all of the uh uh line items, and I just know that um [0:55:45, 0:55:59]: Certain some things are always put in the budget, but it's never used. So I guess the question is why put it in the budget if you're not going to use it? Um oftentimes we don't need all of the uniform, we don't need all of the hospitality. [0:55:59, 0:56:02]: And I in in in one case there's a [0:56:02, 0:56:04]: eighteen hundred dollar line item. [0:56:04, 0:56:07]: for hospitality in in a department and [0:56:09, 0:56:15]: I don't see that, but I I speak to Mr. Knight about that offline, but I don't understand. [0:56:15, 0:56:25]: uh a thirteen hundred dollars hospitality line for this particular department, but I I'll discuss that later. Uh Mr. Nighting, I just wanna see if you're going to trim that yourself. [0:56:27, 0:56:29]: Thank you, Mayor. I I I yield back. [0:56:29, 0:56:30]: Right. [0:56:30, 0:56:31]: Oh. [0:56:32, 0:56:42]: Go ahead, Mr. Nine. You gonna you wanna respond to that? Just just real quick, I see Councilman Alexander. I'll defer to him. Real just real quick, some other things real quick that that you know we looked at reducing. [0:56:43, 0:57:00]: You know, for instance, our summer concert series, bridge fest, those type things. And while we certainly anticipate having those, we have an amphitheater now. So we don't have to, you know, rent stage equipment and things of that nature that we would have traditionally done. So those things that with the advent of the amphitheater, we'll look take a look at reducing as well. [0:57:00, 0:57:01]: Right. [0:57:01, 0:57:03]: Councilman Alezano, go ahead, sir. [0:57:03, 0:57:04]: Uh [0:57:05, 0:57:09]: Let me let me state very clearly and I wanna make sure that we understand. [0:57:09, 0:57:12]: Mayor Protein, I'm in one hundred percent complete agreement. [0:57:13, 0:57:15]: Of that we don't want access in the budget. [0:57:16, 0:57:17]: But I do want to clarify. [0:57:18, 0:57:38]: My position. My position is being very consistent in that I ask them what they need, not what they want. I asked Mr. Knighton clearly, so I want to make sure that we, everybody, including the citizens, completely understand because this is what I do and how I evaluate each position in the city. [0:57:38, 0:57:43]: city. So when at the end of the year when we're evaluating Mr. Knighton, [0:57:43, 0:58:03]: And I or any other uh director, and that director comes back to us and says, Well, you know, I I could have used this. Well, I asked you I did ask what you needed. No, I didn't ask what you wanted, but I asked what you need because this is a part of accountability. Even if we're not able to give them [0:58:03, 0:58:13]: what they think they need. I want to actually know what they do because I want to be able to hold them accountable because next year I want our streets in this city to be beautiful. [0:58:14, 0:58:34]: A to Z. I don't want no excuses for litter and trash and all of that. Mr. Knighton says, with his professional opinion, he has in this budget what he needs to keep the city uh at the level that the council has espoused. So I just want to make sure we're clear. It's not what they want. [0:58:34, 0:58:39]: but I want to make sure he has what he needs. So that is an accountability point. [0:58:39, 0:58:40]: Thank you. [0:58:41, 0:58:45]: I appreciate it. Council, any other questions for Mr. Knighton about the budget? Anybody else? [0:58:48, 0:59:01]: Okay, I see none. All right, so and on that note, and Mr. Williams, I need to open up this public hearing for any comments from the public. So on that note, I normally go from left to right, but in this way it's just straight ahead, right? Just straight ahead. So anyway. [0:59:02, 0:59:13]: For the public. Uh I want to open up the the hearing, uh public hearing on this first reading of the budget for any comments that may be out there or individuals that uh need to make a comment about this budget at this point. [0:59:14, 0:59:26]: And I'm gonna have to have IT or or this holiday kind of scan and figure this if whether they have anything or not. So the comments would be four. Anybody for comments positive for the the budget at all? [0:59:28, 0:59:33]: And unless you IT tells me something differently on this holiday, I see nothing. [0:59:34, 0:59:48]: All right. Yeah, I don't see anyone on. All right. Anybody against I don't see anyone on. Okay, well I ask anyway. So for a record, anybody against or has any comments that is in fa not in favor of some cover itself? [0:59:49, 0:59:58]: And uh if there are not, yes, Mr. Nine, go ahead, please, sir. I would mention that I'd received something from Facebook Live that was conveyed regarding [0:59:59, 1:00:07]: Um code enforcement. I think it related to Mayor Pro Tem Thomas's initial comment about uh supervision and code enforcement and related to accountability. [1:00:08, 1:00:11]: code enforcement that was a comment that was mentioned through the Facebook. [1:00:11, 1:00:15]: um apparatus. So I wanted to make sure that that was in fact mentioned. [1:00:16, 1:00:33]: All right. And we did I think we addressed that part already though in this aspect. Uh okay, so if no one against there's no public comments, nothing on Facebook Live that you see, then I will close the public hearing for this point and then we'll go to our second reading at our next meeting, which will be our council work session later on this month. [1:00:33, 1:00:38]: So on that note, then I'll move on to the next subject area, which deals with new business. [1:00:38, 1:00:50]: Council consideration to approve Capital Projects Bondine presented by Mr. Knighton and uh Mr. Ed Wall and if if uh Doug Selby if he's on as well. And uh so gentlemen, please, Mr. Knighton. [1:00:51, 1:00:56]: Yes, sir, Mayor and Council. We have Mr. Ball here. Of course, he's the financial advisor for the city. [1:00:56, 1:01:02]: Uh and and we've had several comments uh or or uh opportunity to have conversations with respect to [1:01:03, 1:01:06]: potential bonding scenarios uh for the city of Stockbridge. [1:01:07, 1:01:17]: Course, through the budget retreat, we had a very extensive conversation related to projects, uh, in particular the amphitheater. And also uh there was mention of capital projects like. [1:01:17, 1:01:25]: the Cultural Arts Center, like a youth and seniors center, as well as trail projects, among some other things that were mentioned. [1:01:26, 1:01:33]: Uh, part of uh what uh we're going to ask the council to do ultimately, and I think this particular session. [1:01:34, 1:01:45]: uh lends itself to some discussion and some firm direction from the council as it relates to um issuing bonds, in particular for the amphitheater first and then any other. [1:01:45, 1:01:53]: A particular project. As I mentioned, uh, right now the city is carrying one point two million dollars every year out of the general fund budget for. [1:01:53, 1:01:57]: Um city hall um uh property and city hall building. [1:01:58, 1:01:59]: Excuse me. [1:01:59, 1:02:15]: Um, and we had initially had some conversations about um bonding for the amphitheater in the range of$4.6 or so million dollars. As you recall, uh$6.2 million for the amphitheater was from uh Splost 4 funds, that was the region's funds. [1:02:15, 1:02:17]: Um and then another five million from [1:02:18, 1:02:35]: uh fund balance and then the remaining portion and approximately that was discussed previously,$4.6 or so million dollars would be bonding. And so what we uh need to do um here uh in short order in the coming weeks or before the end of the month or so. [1:02:36, 1:02:40]: Need to come to some conclusion with respect to the amphitheatre in particular. [1:02:40, 1:02:46]: Um of bonding that project to f to excuse me, uh to finish that project out. [1:02:47, 1:02:47]: Um [1:02:47, 1:02:51]: We because there of course is a process of bonding and going out to market and [1:02:52, 1:02:58]: And and all of the things that the financial advisors have to do with respect to the um uh bond. [1:02:58, 1:02:59]: Issue once. [1:03:00, 1:03:04]: Um and so we'll be in good stead to continue to complete the project. [1:03:04, 1:03:11]: Um and so uh again Mr. Ball is here, but I think there are two prevailing uh questions here. One is [1:03:11, 1:03:13]: Um ultimately [1:03:13, 1:03:15]: Did the council want to bond? [1:03:16, 1:03:18]: Стриктно файли амфатіатр right now. [1:03:19, 1:03:22]: Then come back later in the spring. [1:03:22, 1:03:24]: And look at other projects to bond. [1:03:25, 1:03:28]: Or uh does the council want to take a look at? [1:03:28, 1:03:30]: uh bonding a larger amount [1:03:30, 1:03:32]: Uh to um [1:03:32, 1:03:35]: Involve potential other projects. [1:03:35, 1:03:42]: Right now. The one thing that I will have to say to you uh from a perspective of a city manager again. [1:03:42, 1:03:44]: Is that we are [1:03:45, 1:03:48]: going to have to account for this in our general fund budget. [1:03:49, 1:03:53]: And so that puts more of a strain on the general fund budget. [1:03:53, 1:04:07]: Um obviously the City of Stockbridge operates without any uh municipal tax. That's been a great thing for citizens. In order to keep those parameters in place, uh becomes more and more difficult and challenging to operate in a general fund budget. [1:04:08, 1:04:14]: Um when you have, you know, a in this case would potentially have a bond issuance. That does not mean it can't be done. [1:04:15, 1:04:17]: But it certainly does strain. [1:04:17, 1:04:20]: The general fund budget to do that. [1:04:20, 1:04:21]: А біон [1:04:22, 1:04:35]: um what a first uh bond issuance might be in the range of five, five and a half million dollars or so. Once you get beyond that, you're starting to really press uh the general fund budget and becomes very, very challenging and difficult to do. [1:04:36, 1:04:41]: Again, some of these other projects that have been mentioned, uh, there could be Splash 5 funds that they could be used and/or. [1:04:42, 1:04:43]: Potentially [1:04:43, 1:04:44]: Any um [1:04:45, 1:04:48]: transportation splaws that may come about in the spring or summer. [1:04:49, 1:04:54]: Of next year, that of course is dependent upon if voters actually uh approve something like that. [1:04:54, 1:04:59]: So uh in that regard, I will uh yield to Mr. Wall for any other [1:05:00, 1:05:00]: Um [1:05:01, 1:05:05]: commentary that he would like to make uh with respect to um [1:05:06, 1:05:09]: Um the bonding process and or [1:05:09, 1:05:17]: Um any recommendations with respect to the council of bonding portion now and or looking at then bonding later in the spring. [1:05:18, 1:05:22]: Yes, sir. I'm gonna share my screen if you don't mind, Mr. Knight and you set it up just perfect. [1:05:23, 1:05:27]: I'm gonna share just two sheets of paper if I might with Mayor and Council. [1:05:27, 1:05:28]: Um [1:05:29, 1:05:33]: The uh first thing I wanted to share is [1:05:34, 1:05:36]: Can everybody see the screen? [1:05:37, 1:05:38]: There we go. Yes, sir, we got it now. [1:05:39, 1:05:44]: So this is your general fund from twenty nineteen, the last audit report that we had. [1:05:44, 1:05:46]: And you had um [1:05:47, 1:05:48]: Um [1:05:50, 1:05:50]: You had um [1:05:53, 1:05:56]: Eleven million five eighty three in revenues. [1:05:57, 1:06:04]: You had uh eight million eight here in expenditures and then you transferred the two million two fifty eight out. [1:06:05, 1:06:10]: So it had a excess revenues over expenses of five hundred and three thousand. [1:06:10, 1:06:13]: So if we issue four and a half million or so in [1:06:14, 1:06:16]: In in Bonds for the amphitheater. [1:06:16, 1:06:18]: The annual payment on that is four hundred thousand. [1:06:19, 1:06:24]: And so this year I know you've got a balanced budget I saw of twelve point eight million without the four hundred in it. [1:06:25, 1:06:30]: So I just wanted to point out that if we add a lot of stuff to the bond issue. [1:06:30, 1:06:33]: We've got to root around and find money to pay for it. [1:06:34, 1:06:38]: Last thing I wanted to show, if I might, is um [1:06:42, 1:06:43]: Wrong one. [1:06:53, 1:06:55]: Here we are. Um [1:06:56, 1:06:57]: On one. [1:07:07, 1:07:12]: This is what we looked at last year in December was four million six thirty-five in bonds. [1:07:13, 1:07:15]: We had five million from the general fund. [1:07:16, 1:07:18]: Six million three and splos four. [1:07:19, 1:07:22]: So we have the amphitheater at fifteen million eight oh five. [1:07:23, 1:07:25]: I I would like um [1:07:25, 1:07:31]: Keg and Wood and the other folks to make sure that we're barring the right amount. If the amphitheaters costing more than that. [1:07:32, 1:07:37]: And we either need to increase the size of the bond issue or increase the amount of money you take from the general fund. [1:07:37, 1:07:41]: Right now I was planning on fifteen million eight oh five is the price. [1:07:42, 1:07:46]: Current market is two point two percent for fifteen year bond issue. [1:07:47, 1:07:49]: And then the annual payments. [1:07:51, 1:07:54]: Y'all can see are around three hundred and sixty five thousand dollars a year. [1:07:56, 1:07:59]: That was a four million six thirty five by this year. [1:08:01, 1:08:04]: Um, Mayor, I'm that's it. I'm open for questions. [1:08:05, 1:08:08]: All right. Appreciate it, sir. Appreciate that. [1:08:08, 1:08:09]: Appreciate your briefing. [1:08:10, 1:08:13]: Council, any questions for uh Councilman Alzheimer? Go ahead, please. [1:08:14, 1:08:20]: Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that uh presentation, Mayor. But I think again, uh this discussion [1:08:21, 1:08:23]: It's very valuable that we have this discussion tonight. [1:08:24, 1:08:27]: Because what it really is, it's up to this council. [1:08:28, 1:08:32]: Uh, we have to lead and we have to direct. [1:08:33, 1:08:36]: the city and what direction we're gonna go in. [1:08:36, 1:08:37]: And what we want to do. [1:08:37, 1:08:41]: To lead this city and what we promised um [1:08:41, 1:08:44]: The uh resonance that we're gonna deliver upon. [1:08:45, 1:08:52]: It is my opinion, and I'm giving my opinion on how we should proceed. Now we understand voters. [1:08:52, 1:08:53]: Went out in [1:08:54, 1:08:55]: In in twenty nineteen. [1:08:56, 1:09:03]: And they approved approximately twenty to twenty-one million dollars in splot five funding that will be coming to the city. [1:09:04, 1:09:14]: Now uh on the conservative side of that's uh that's that would be what what what was projected. Now we expected the revenues to dip, but in fact [1:09:14, 1:09:16]: Splash collection is actually up. [1:09:16, 1:09:21]: So, you know, even if we went on the conservative side of let's say [1:09:21, 1:09:27]: Uh 18 million dollars. We have a number of projects that are set aside for SPLOSS 5. [1:09:28, 1:09:29]: Now instead of us [1:09:30, 1:09:32]: Uh trying to taker with the [1:09:32, 1:09:38]: uh general fund budget and try to squeeze it out of our general fund budget. [1:09:38, 1:09:42]: Wouldn't it be a better idea for us to bond the sploss money? [1:09:43, 1:09:48]: When we know we have a guaranteed source of revenue coming into the city. [1:09:49, 1:09:51]: And uh at at a at a rate [1:09:51, 1:09:53]: That could pay this off. [1:09:54, 1:10:00]: uh at a at a more rapid rate rather than extending and bonding for an extended period of time. So [1:10:00, 1:10:16]: in the it we we don't wanna in my opinion to tinker with the general fund budget when we can actually bond the spLoss funds twenty to uh twenty million dollars is uh projected maybe we bond eighteen million dollars of that [1:10:17, 1:10:20]: Okay. Now this council has talked about various projects. [1:10:21, 1:10:22]: That we wanted to complete. [1:10:23, 1:10:29]: Uh, such as the uh cultural arts center. Uh, my particular list, and I think I sent that over this afternoon. [1:10:30, 1:10:40]: was uh the cultural art uh was uh we already uh basically we're working on the amphitheater. So I didn't add that into my list, but my list would include the cultural art center. [1:10:40, 1:10:42]: I I would and I think this council [1:10:43, 1:10:45]: had a vi a council uh had a discussion where [1:10:46, 1:10:47]: And we talked to Kek and Wood. [1:10:48, 1:10:51]: And they informed us with very no uncertain terms. [1:10:52, 1:10:55]: That they could complete more than one project at a time. [1:10:55, 1:10:56]: So [1:10:56, 1:10:59]: It is my recommendation that we complete the Cultural Arts Center. [1:11:00, 1:11:03]: and a portion of the trail network at the same time. [1:11:05, 1:11:07]: Com combining two projects. [1:11:07, 1:11:09]: S some of that funding [1:11:09, 1:11:11]: Uh again that funding would come [1:11:12, 1:11:20]: Uh out of the spLOS to return this in order to do so. Now, if we wanted to bond an additional amount. [1:11:20, 1:11:22]: to actually take care of um [1:11:23, 1:11:23]: Oh [1:11:24, 1:11:25]: Uh the entire portion. [1:11:26, 1:11:30]: For such as the Cultural Arts Center, we would bond that additional amount. [1:11:31, 1:11:34]: So we could pay off the entire cultural art center. [1:11:34, 1:11:41]: But o the only portion that we would have to pay for would be that which would not be covered. [1:11:41, 1:11:46]: by the splot funds, which is the twenty one million dollars that we have coming in. [1:11:46, 1:11:47]: So [1:11:47, 1:11:48]: It it would be [1:11:49, 1:11:53]: I I think I I understand Mr. Wall's advice. I do. [1:11:53, 1:11:58]: But it's n it it it's up to us as a city to act. [1:11:59, 1:12:01]: Uh to continue the progress. [1:12:01, 1:12:08]: You know, uh too often we waited, we completed the amphitheater. We're gonna be one hundred percent completed with the amphitheater. [1:12:08, 1:12:10]: Only one project at a time. [1:12:11, 1:12:16]: We can be more aggressive than that, and we can be фа фіскали саун. [1:12:17, 1:12:21]: by bonding the splash money and a little bit additional on top of that. [1:12:22, 1:12:25]: Repair the splots collection will start being returned to the city. [1:12:26, 1:12:27]: Next year? [1:12:28, 1:12:46]: In 2021, I believe that is, maybe Mr. Knighton can correct me. The county got the first 12 months uh consistent because of how the uh the splotch program worked. The cities did not approve it, costing us twice million dollars, but that's what really happened. [1:12:46, 1:12:47]: But in terms of that [1:12:47, 1:12:49]: That's how we could proceed. [1:12:49, 1:12:52]: And I and I would I would strongly suggest [1:12:52, 1:12:57]: that the council looked at looked at doing that instead of taking these funds from the general fund. [1:12:58, 1:12:59]: And us to be able to keep [1:13:00, 1:13:03]: Up the pace to be able to get things done. [1:13:04, 1:13:05]: In the city. [1:13:05, 1:13:08]: Тагавш про єр автор автор. [1:13:09, 1:13:12]: You know, I remember and I'll close by saying this. [1:13:12, 1:13:15]: I remember in twenty sixteen. [1:13:15, 1:13:21]: When this council voted to tear down the old cultural arts center, I said to this council at that time. [1:13:21, 1:13:27]: Ladies and gentlemen, if we tear down the art center now, that's gonna be a vacant lot for the next few years. [1:13:27, 1:13:30]: Let's make a commitment to move forward. [1:13:30, 1:13:32]: With that project now. [1:13:32, 1:13:36]: It's twenty twenty now. That lot's been vacant for three plus years. [1:13:37, 1:13:42]: How much longer are we going to continue to wait? It's up to this council to take the lead. [1:13:43, 1:13:46]: And make sure that we get these projects done. [1:13:46, 1:13:50]: We're financially sound with the fund balance that we have. [1:13:50, 1:13:56]: And we can move forward aggressively with these projects and still maintain. [1:13:56, 1:14:01]: ten million dollars or one year's funds in the bank. We could do that. Thank you. [1:14:02, 1:14:06]: All right, uh one standby please. Mr. Wall, do you have anything that you want to add after that those comments right now? [1:14:08, 1:14:11]: So a couple things. One is um [1:14:11, 1:14:12]: Clearly [1:14:13, 1:14:17]: That wasn't an option that I had mentioned that we could borrow against splosed and you can. [1:14:18, 1:14:25]: A five year bond issue payable from the SPLOSS proceeds, and we should get our first check May or June of twenty twenty one. [1:14:26, 1:14:30]: A five year bond issue would be around one point five percent. And so [1:14:30, 1:14:31]: Um [1:14:31, 1:14:36]: Councilman Alexander is right, splots could you be used for that and not [1:14:36, 1:14:37]: The general fund. [1:14:37, 1:14:38]: So he's he's right about that. [1:14:39, 1:14:40]: And I and I stand corrected. [1:14:41, 1:14:42]: Um [1:14:42, 1:14:45]: I was thinking about all of the general fund having detoted. [1:14:45, 1:14:51]: And then the other thing is you got operation and maintenance cost of whatever you build. I guess that's gotta come out of the general fund as well. [1:14:52, 1:14:52]: What? [1:14:53, 1:14:55]: All right. Councilwoman Gantt, please. [1:14:58, 1:15:12]: I wanted Mr. Wall to um just tell the citizens as well as Mayor and Council a comparison of the current interest rate rate right now compared to what it was maybe last year at this time, whether or not we're getting a really good rate. [1:15:13, 1:15:14]: Things that we need to consider. [1:15:16, 1:15:16]: Good question. [1:15:17, 1:15:18]: Yes, ma'am. So rates are [1:15:19, 1:15:21]: Rates are a little bit lower now than they were in December. [1:15:22, 1:15:23]: I think we had [1:15:23, 1:15:24]: Do you remember [1:15:24, 1:15:26]: Mike Williams was at two point four percent. [1:15:27, 1:15:28]: Last December [1:15:29, 1:15:33]: Two and a half percent. I can't remember the exact amount, but rates are I know for a fact they're lower now. [1:15:34, 1:15:36]: I think it was two point four [1:15:37, 1:15:39]: Yeah, I do too. Thank you, John. So so uh [1:15:40, 1:15:48]: Ma'am, it was 2.4% today. I think it's around 2.2%. I haven't bid the bonds out again, but I'm satisfied we'll get a lower rate. [1:15:49, 1:15:51]: And um as far as [1:15:51, 1:15:52]: The [1:15:52, 1:15:54]: uh marketplace for interest rates. [1:15:55, 1:16:02]: These are the lowest interest rates have ever been ever, as far as I know. And uh I've been in the business thirty six years. [1:16:02, 1:16:03]: And it's the lowest I've ever seen. [1:16:04, 1:16:05]: And so [1:16:05, 1:16:10]: Fifteen years at two point two percent fixed for the entire fifteen years is a great, great interest rate. [1:16:12, 1:16:17]: Yeah, stand by. Is that it? Councilman Gantt, you good? Councilman okay. Councilman Blount, please. [1:16:20, 1:16:22]: Uh Mr Walsh, first of all, thanks for coming. [1:16:23, 1:16:27]: Uh the last time you we talked to you and I and I agree the interest rates are low. [1:16:28, 1:16:34]: Uh and I agree that if we do any bonding, but one of the things I don't agree with one is that [1:16:35, 1:16:38]: We look at the amount of splice coming in and amount of bonds that can be put up. [1:16:38, 1:16:41]: We won't have enough splice to carry that burn all the way through. [1:16:42, 1:16:46]: And so at some point in time it's going to affect the general fund. [1:16:47, 1:16:48]: Um [1:16:49, 1:16:55]: What the w uh a at what with the project that that we're talking about that we had uh been approved for SPLOS. [1:16:56, 1:17:05]: So a point at at some point it will affect the general fund because the the splot the splots amounts will not carry those bonds all the way through. [1:17:05, 1:17:06]: Wanna [1:17:06, 1:17:07]: So [1:17:07, 1:17:10]: I apologize. She tells me [1:17:11, 1:17:16]: Go ahead, Ms. Wall, go ahead please. You want me to talk? Yeah, Ms. Wall, go ahead, please. Councilman Blight. So [1:17:16, 1:17:22]: Is I recall the splosh five over a four year period was gonna give us [1:17:23, 1:17:31]: Was it 19 million dollars? Am I remembering that right? It was. Um John or Randy, don't know the exact number. About 20.5. About twenty point five. [1:17:33, 1:17:37]: And so that was based on two thousand and [1:17:38, 1:17:41]: uh nineteen eighteen nineteen actuals [1:17:41, 1:17:43]: And so if you borrowed eighteen million [1:17:44, 1:17:48]: You could expect over four year period that twenty million would pay it off in full. [1:17:49, 1:17:55]: However, if you get a recession during the next four years and splost collections go down, [1:17:55, 1:17:57]: And the general phone had to make up the difference. [1:17:58, 1:18:03]: No, no, and just to follow what you no, I get that. If you if you borrow the amount that you're [1:18:03, 1:18:05]: The potential splots amount supposed to be. [1:18:05, 1:18:08]: Of course that would carry, but when we look at [1:18:08, 1:18:09]: Мультипо проджекс. [1:18:10, 1:18:17]: What amount are we talking about? Because it as we did with the amphitheater, when you look at the completion of to complete the amphitheater, just like you just mentioned. [1:18:18, 1:18:22]: What is what will we have to bond to actually complete the amphitheater? [1:18:23, 1:18:27]: What would we actually have to bind to complete the cultural arts center? [1:18:27, 1:18:29]: What would we actually have to burn to complete? [1:18:29, 1:18:33]: We have to look to what is needed to actually complete these projects. [1:18:33, 1:18:40]: versus starting these projects and having these projects erected, there's a uh the there there are costs that that [1:18:41, 1:18:52]: I I've never built the amphitheater, so I wasn't thinking about the cost that even Councilwoman Barber even mentioned today. I I wasn't thinking about this a while back when we when we discovered that hey, this cost didn't include [1:18:52, 1:19:00]: Uh furniture. It includes certain other costs. So, what are the actual costs to complete each project? And the last time you talked to us. [1:19:00, 1:19:04]: You your suggestions as our financial advisor was to wait. [1:19:05, 1:19:06]: Until uh [1:19:07, 1:19:09]: But the spring [1:19:09, 1:19:15]: in order to actually get our bearance on what is actually needed to be bonded for these projects. [1:19:15, 1:19:17]: And that's what I'm saying. I don't want us to [1:19:17, 1:19:19]: Start to make a decision. [1:19:19, 1:19:22]: towards something when s if something shifts. [1:19:22, 1:19:26]: Then now we got to now cover uh uh cover [1:19:26, 1:19:45]: um a decision we've already made because there's some un unforeseen uh expenses that will arrive but and so the binding has to be done to cover costs. Right now I'm for binding what we need to bond to finish this amphitheater uh cost because this project is so much [1:19:46, 1:19:48]: There and the interest rates are low that we know that [1:19:49, 1:19:55]: uh finances coming in, even splotch money coming in, that's gonna be covered if money has to be diverted. [1:19:56, 1:20:00]: But for us to say we're binding multiple projects. [1:20:00, 1:20:15]: We don't have a final cost and to know if SPLOS would cover those costs. And as you just said, if we hit a recession, then now we're in a position where we wasn't financially making a good financial decision for the city because now we it will affect. [1:20:16, 1:20:19]: our fund balance it will affect our uh general funds. [1:20:20, 1:20:25]: So I I'm I'm just learning putting ourselves in a position where we have to make sure when we make these decisions. [1:20:26, 1:20:32]: They're made well we would not for just now and what we see, but we have to understand that uh what could possibly happen in the future. [1:20:33, 1:20:34]: Okay. [1:20:34, 1:20:37]: Mayor Pro Tem Thomas, go ahead, please, sir. Thank you. [1:20:37, 1:20:38]: Um [1:20:39, 1:20:44]: Me, I I'm going to agree with all of the comments above, but one thing I do agree with is that [1:20:45, 1:20:47]: I do think that we can do more than one project at a time. [1:20:48, 1:20:52]: Um where where I agree with uh Councilman Blount is [1:20:53, 1:20:56]: And Mr. Nighton, we we sh we just don't know. [1:20:56, 1:20:59]: Uh what that bottom line is. [1:20:59, 1:21:01]: for bonding to complete [1:21:02, 1:21:03]: uh the amphitheater [1:21:04, 1:21:12]: So we are there. So we really can't turn around on the amphitheater. So we have to go forward. But we need to make clear the path forward. [1:21:13, 1:21:16]: for the completion of of the amphitheater. That's number one. [1:21:16, 1:21:20]: But I am in agreement with uh Councilman Alexander that [1:21:20, 1:21:25]: Because of what looms out there in the future somewhat as far as splash. [1:21:25, 1:21:27]: That we can begin to [1:21:28, 1:21:30]: uh bond for the second project. [1:21:31, 1:21:31]: Um [1:21:32, 1:21:35]: That was one of the reasons why, you know, I created the [1:21:36, 1:21:44]: uh management by objective project tool and I asked Mrs. uh Sonovia to put that back out again because I had not received [1:21:44, 1:21:46]: Everybody's um [1:21:47, 1:21:50]: uh priority rankings as far as the project. [1:21:50, 1:21:55]: So but whatever those projects are, uh, Mr. Wall, Mr. Knighton. [1:21:55, 1:22:00]: We do need to see and have a discussion on a clear path forward. [1:22:01, 1:22:06]: for these projects. So that's why I appreciate Mr. Wall everything that you have suggested. [1:22:06, 1:22:08]: Everything that you lay out for us. [1:22:08, 1:22:09]: You know [1:22:09, 1:22:13]: That was one of the reasons why we we brought you on board because you're doing [1:22:14, 1:22:17]: Exactly what we wanted you to do. [1:22:17, 1:22:23]: Uh you're laying it out there and uh it's a decision that we have to make. But I'll say this though. [1:22:23, 1:22:25]: Personally, I don't think [1:22:26, 1:22:29]: Um twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two. [1:22:31, 1:22:32]: I think [1:22:32, 1:22:36]: The worst part of the pandemic is behind us. And the reason I say that because [1:22:37, 1:22:38]: In twenty twenty [1:22:39, 1:22:41]: We were called flat footed. [1:22:41, 1:22:42]: With this pandemic. [1:22:43, 1:22:45]: Um now [1:22:45, 1:22:49]: You know, we have the experts, we're we're working toward that. So [1:22:50, 1:22:54]: I think it's gonna be better if we could if we realize [1:22:55, 1:22:57]: The increase during the pandemic. [1:22:58, 1:22:58]: Um [1:22:58, 1:23:04]: It just it just seems that you know it can't get any worse than that. So we if we had an increase [1:23:04, 1:23:11]: Can you imagine what w what it would be um, you know, going forward? I I think the the future is branked. [1:23:11, 1:23:13]: Um for the city of Stockbridge. [1:23:13, 1:23:17]: Um I just don't see I just don't see the pandemic being any worse. [1:23:18, 1:23:21]: Even with the death, even with the uh the sickness. [1:23:21, 1:23:25]: I just think that we have the medical staff that's out there. I think um [1:23:25, 1:23:32]: The newly elected president is gonna make sure that thing doesn't go uh south on us again. So [1:23:32, 1:23:39]: I think sometimes, Mr. Alexander, you know, we we have to step out on faith. Now we have to be reasonable and sound. [1:23:40, 1:23:49]: But I think sometimes we have to step out on faith, put our best foot forward. But I'm in agreement. I think we can do more than one at a time and I'm one [1:23:49, 1:23:52]: Uh to be in favor of um [1:23:52, 1:23:59]: you know, taking that leap out there and let's let's let's try to move forward. I would hate to wait uh until [1:24:00, 1:24:03]: say this summer and and things are the same. [1:24:03, 1:24:08]: Um I just think twenty twenty one is gonna be a lean year somewhat, but [1:24:08, 1:24:13]: I I I think we we we will be able to see the the the sun arising. [1:24:13, 1:24:15]: Uh just uh over the mountain. So [1:24:16, 1:24:19]: I I think we're gonna be okay. I think um [1:24:20, 1:24:30]: Faith is smiling on us. Um the the the our legacy and and our bright future is out there. We just got to go out there and get it. We got to make it happen. So um [1:24:32, 1:24:39]: I'm I'm in favor. So Mr. Wall, just continue doing what you do. Mr. Knight continues to give us the facts. [1:24:39, 1:24:43]: Uh and we just have to analyze those facts and at some point in time [1:24:43, 1:24:45]: Um, we got to make some decision. [1:24:46, 1:24:48]: Councilwoman Gantt, please. [1:24:48, 1:24:49]: Thank you. [1:24:50, 1:24:50]: Um [1:24:51, 1:25:00]: And thank you, Mayor Pro Tem, for that. I I have your document right here actually. Um was looking over it actually again today. Um [1:25:02, 1:25:06]: I I just want to make sure that we are certain on numbers before we bond. [1:25:07, 1:25:11]: I I would love for us to follow our financial advisors' advice. [1:25:12, 1:25:14]: Um worldbank.org. [1:25:15, 1:25:21]: And the title of their article says COVID 19. And this is a most recent article. [1:25:21, 1:25:22]: Um [1:25:23, 1:25:30]: And it says COVID 19 to plunge the global economy into the worst recession since World War Two. [1:25:30, 1:25:32]: Now that does not mean [1:25:33, 1:25:42]: that it's gonna take place right now. In fact, I've had very much so concerns, I haven't seen the effects to be even that great as of yet. [1:25:43, 1:25:52]: But after looking at CNN and after looking at different other news stations, as well as reading some of Bloomberg's and some of the other financial experts. [1:25:53, 1:26:01]: What they're saying is that the effects are not going to happen right away, but yet they're looking at another year or year and a half to come. [1:26:02, 1:26:07]: And so the concerns are we don't know yet. You know, we have a lot of unknowns. [1:26:07, 1:26:10]: Um, that's my biggest concern. I hope we don't. [1:26:10, 1:26:13]: Right now I think, you know, everyone is taking advantage of [1:26:14, 1:26:18]: The refinancing their mortgages and the low interest rates that we have. [1:26:19, 1:26:21]: But I also know that we have to [1:26:21, 1:26:31]: plan out our projects. And I'll send you guys these articles. I I think they're very interesting. Um I don't you know it's not to scare anyone but it's also [1:26:31, 1:26:36]: Um re a reality check after the stimulus checks stopped coming. [1:26:36, 1:26:40]: And being pushed out and once all the dust settles. [1:26:41, 1:26:41]: And [1:26:42, 1:26:45]: There's this deficit there, then what? [1:26:45, 1:26:50]: So we still have to plan and we have to plan and have to be smart about it. [1:26:50, 1:26:51]: Um [1:26:51, 1:26:56]: I'm not against it. I would love to get all these projects done. I agree with everyone. I believe that we can do [1:26:57, 1:27:02]: More than one project at a time. I think we've all said that before. That's not [1:27:02, 1:27:03]: at dispute. [1:27:04, 1:27:07]: But I do think that we should be smart about bonding. [1:27:08, 1:27:08]: Um [1:27:09, 1:27:14]: And we bond what we need when we need it. Right now we need the amphitheater to bond it out. [1:27:15, 1:27:16]: The remaining to complete it. [1:27:18, 1:27:22]: Once we get a handle on what the global what this economy is gonna be like. [1:27:22, 1:27:33]: businesses, whether they're gonna close or open, you read every day about retail stores, entire stores just closing down. More and more people are doing online. [1:27:33, 1:27:36]: Because of the pandemic and we don't know what the effects are gonna be. [1:27:36, 1:27:40]: continuously. So I just ask that we keep that in mind. [1:27:41, 1:27:43]: For our financial security. [1:27:43, 1:27:46]: A financial well being and needs. [1:27:46, 1:27:50]: Um, I'm not saying no, I'm saying I think it's too it's premature. [1:27:51, 1:27:53]: Um, and that's all. Thank you. [1:27:54, 1:27:55]: Councilwoman Barber, go ahead, please. [1:27:57, 1:28:04]: Um really brief, I know that there's a there's risk in every decision that we're making. [1:28:04, 1:28:06]: Um I agree. [1:28:06, 1:28:13]: that we need to go ahead and bond to complete the amphitheater. It would be helpful if we knew how much [1:28:14, 1:28:15]: That is. [1:28:15, 1:28:16]: Um [1:28:16, 1:28:20]: I do want to see us move forward with. [1:28:20, 1:28:21]: The cultural arts. [1:28:22, 1:28:24]: Um center and [1:28:24, 1:28:28]: The master trail plan, if we could bond for those two. [1:28:29, 1:28:29]: Um [1:28:30, 1:28:32]: Along with the completion of the anfitter. [1:28:33, 1:28:35]: Um just bells. [1:28:35, 1:28:39]: Um, I agree with Councilwoman Gantt. Uh we have to be [1:28:39, 1:28:45]: careful, physically responsible right now because the economy is so [1:28:45, 1:28:46]: Uncertain. [1:28:47, 1:28:52]: But I I'm thinking in terms of the amphitheater being a revenue generator. [1:28:52, 1:28:54]: we'll be able to recoup. [1:28:54, 1:28:56]: some of that money. [1:28:56, 1:28:58]: Um and with [1:28:58, 1:29:00]: Money we already have. [1:29:00, 1:29:02]: um coming in for spLOS. [1:29:02, 1:29:02]: Okay. [1:29:03, 1:29:08]: the general fund we should be able to cover a good amount of a good amount of the cost [1:29:08, 1:29:11]: For the Cultural Arts Center. [1:29:11, 1:29:16]: um maybe not the master trail plan, but we'll see where we are at that point. [1:29:17, 1:29:25]: And then we can bond more if we need it. But it would be a really good thing for us in order for us to make a [1:29:25, 1:29:30]: Good decision right now if we knew what what is needed to complete the amphitheater. [1:29:31, 1:29:32]: And what it would cost. [1:29:33, 1:29:35]: For the construction of the Cultural Arts Center. [1:29:37, 1:29:38]: So that's all. [1:29:39, 1:29:41]: Councilman Blanc, go ahead, please. [1:29:44, 1:29:45]: Do you hear me? [1:29:45, 1:29:46]: Yeah, gotcha. Go ahead. [1:29:47, 1:29:51]: One one of the t two two concerns of mine uh [1:29:51, 1:29:57]: First of all, this country's seen the biggest spike in COVID cases as as it's seen since it started. [1:29:58, 1:30:00]: We just seen this this country just seen the biggest covert spike. [1:30:01, 1:30:02]: So [1:30:02, 1:30:13]: What effects is that gonna be with an incoming president in January? We we hope and pray that all is heading toward the right way, but the fact still remains. Science has shown us that. [1:30:13, 1:30:18]: This thing is spiking really in a in a in a bad way. [1:30:18, 1:30:20]: Uh but most of all [1:30:20, 1:30:25]: Is that we hired a financial advisor? This city is stopped bridge. We agreed to hire a financial advisor. [1:30:26, 1:30:31]: And if we're not gonna go off the opinion and the recommendations of a financial advisor that's supposed to be [1:30:31, 1:30:34]: Looking at our finances and the profession in this area, what are we doing? [1:30:35, 1:30:38]: Because if if he recommended to us. [1:30:38, 1:30:41]: Which I think that's maybe still his recommendation is to wait to this [1:30:42, 1:30:43]: uh spring. [1:30:43, 1:30:48]: Uh to go ahead, but we need to do what we need to do because to to do the completion of the amphitheater. [1:30:49, 1:30:52]: Uh one of the things about uh money, it don't spoil. [1:30:53, 1:30:53]: And so [1:30:54, 1:30:57]: Uh, money would be there to do what we need to do. [1:30:57, 1:30:59]: Uh will we have this? [1:30:59, 1:31:02]: This low of an interest rate? Probably not. You but we don't know. [1:31:03, 1:31:06]: But the thing about it is I think to be physically responsible. [1:31:06, 1:31:09]: Is to go off the advisement about a financial advisor. [1:31:10, 1:31:13]: That we've hired for the city that's a profession in his area. [1:31:13, 1:31:15]: And start to move in those directions because [1:31:16, 1:31:18]: He's probably seeing more uh [1:31:19, 1:31:25]: Probably seen more ups and downs when it comes to finances with cities m than than I have, anyway. I don't know about my colleagues. [1:31:25, 1:31:28]: So I think that, you know, to for us to complete this. [1:31:28, 1:31:34]: What we do what need we need to do uh for us binding and complete the amphitheater whenever that number comes in that we need to bind. [1:31:35, 1:31:38]: But we have to be careful and cautious going into multiple projects. [1:31:38, 1:31:45]: Right now bonding, but and and it goes against what we've been told by our financial financial advisor. So that's all I have to say on that. [1:31:45, 1:31:47]: Castleman Alzheimer Goya, please. [1:31:48, 1:31:50]: Uh thank you so much. Thank you so much. [1:31:51, 1:31:59]: Now let me let me let me break this down for you again. The financial advisor did not present the SPLOST option to us, okay? [1:32:00, 1:32:03]: The splash option says this can be paid off within four years. [1:32:04, 1:32:05]: Fully. [1:32:05, 1:32:15]: So I don't understand what this tremendous risk is. I don't understand what a tremendous risk is because the conservatives splash [1:32:16, 1:32:19]: projection is twenty point five million dollars. [1:32:19, 1:32:25]: If we bond eighteen million, we still have excess funding coming in. [1:32:25, 1:32:27]: We can complete both of those projects. [1:32:28, 1:32:31]: And and I think Mare Pro Tem hit it out the park. [1:32:32, 1:32:34]: When he said the new president [1:32:35, 1:32:37]: And then the way that things are going to be handled. [1:32:38, 1:32:40]: And you the way that you know [1:32:40, 1:32:41]: The [1:32:41, 1:32:43]: Things are headed in the right direction. [1:32:44, 1:32:47]: The Dow Jones was 834 points up today. [1:32:49, 1:32:54]: The people who risk their money plan and understand what is coming. [1:32:55, 1:33:05]: There was also a news that came out that Pfizer did trial came out with a 90% effective rating on their vaccine. 90%. [1:33:05, 1:33:19]: Normally we're happy with 50% vaccine trial, but their vaccine trial came back with a 90% return. The stock market is at a all-time high, 29, near all-time high at 29,000. [1:33:20, 1:33:40]: The people that wager to make progress, they're not that worried if they're raising the stock market to the highest, one of the highest levels that has ever been done before. Trust and believe the time to bond is now. The one thing that you heard that he said, if you don't remember the interest. [1:33:40, 1:33:44]: Interest rates are lower than they have ever been. [1:33:44, 1:33:47]: If the economy catches fire. [1:33:47, 1:34:07]: And it goes up, what's gonna go up? The interest rate. And what did that cost us? Millions of dollars. Millions of dollars. If we don't take advantage of the historically low, why are all these homeowners for refinancing? Because the rates are lower than they've ever been before. Now take a point or two. [1:34:07, 1:34:12]: On millions of dollars, we're talking about a substantial loss, a substantial loss. [1:34:13, 1:34:20]: So i uh if if ordinarily I think this is the conservative approach. We have funds coming. [1:34:21, 1:34:26]: that'll start to be generated every single month to make this payment. [1:34:26, 1:34:33]: And what we're gonna bond is we're not gonna max it out at twenty point five. We're gonna lower it to eighteen. [1:34:33, 1:34:35]: Right. And at that point [1:34:36, 1:34:41]: We should be able to complete the culture art center, the master trail plan. [1:34:42, 1:34:59]: portions of it. We can't complete it all. We're just gonna present a portion. And whatever that$18 million will pay for, that's the portion that we will complete. We can't complete more than that. The fiscal restraint will be how much money will this$18 million pay for? [1:34:59, 1:35:02]: Right. So understanding that. [1:35:03, 1:35:05]: The statistics are right there in our favor. [1:35:06, 1:35:08]: Yet do you think that the people in the no [1:35:09, 1:35:12]: We have the Dow at twenty nine thousand. [1:35:12, 1:35:18]: Have you been watching it lately? Every day it's been going up, every single day. [1:35:18, 1:35:26]: And today it just again it wo it was above a thousand for a while. And that can trend that trend is expected to continue. [1:35:28, 1:35:43]: Let's do the right thing and move forward with these projects being fiscally financially responsible, taking advantage of an interest rate that has never been seen before. [1:35:44, 1:35:46]: Councilwoman Barber, go ahead, please. [1:35:50, 1:35:51]: Yeah, the mere pro team. [1:35:52, 1:35:53]: Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. [1:35:54, 1:35:55]: Uh thank you, Councilwoman. [1:35:56, 1:35:59]: Uh Mr. Knight and Mr. Wall, especially Mr. Knight, I I think [1:36:00, 1:36:04]: One thing that is really, really true, uh and and the and a fact [1:36:05, 1:36:08]: That Mr. Night, we need to know. [1:36:08, 1:36:13]: the true numbers, what is going to take to complete the amphitheater. [1:36:14, 1:36:16]: Um, we need to sort of [1:36:16, 1:36:18]: We saw the need to know that. [1:36:19, 1:36:23]: Uh in order for us to even bond, even if we just decide just to [1:36:23, 1:36:26]: bonding up just to complete that. We saw the need to know that. [1:36:27, 1:36:32]: Now I do know and understand that we are working trying to get to a final [1:36:32, 1:36:33]: Um [1:36:34, 1:36:39]: uh uh layout or design for the culture arts facility, but [1:36:40, 1:36:42]: Uh, we need to sort of know. [1:36:43, 1:36:44]: Well [1:36:44, 1:36:45]: As much as possible. [1:36:46, 1:36:47]: Final numbers. [1:36:48, 1:36:51]: So we can actually go into bond and I would hate to [1:36:51, 1:36:54]: go out there and just bond and we don't know [1:36:54, 1:36:56]: Uh true calls. [1:36:56, 1:36:58]: For these projects and [1:36:58, 1:37:01]: A a clear path going forward. I think the [1:37:02, 1:37:08]: Splosh um scenario that Councilman Alexander indicated. I I'm I'm okay with that. [1:37:08, 1:37:12]: Uh, Mr. Walls, I definitely respect your numbers and [1:37:12, 1:37:15]: You've said this more than one time and and [1:37:15, 1:37:18]: And it did not uh fail me uh at any point. [1:37:19, 1:37:22]: uh to to disagree with your recommendation. [1:37:22, 1:37:24]: And as um councilman um [1:37:25, 1:37:28]: Blount and councilwoman again indicated that [1:37:28, 1:37:31]: You know, this is where we hired you so [1:37:31, 1:37:32]: Um [1:37:32, 1:37:52]: Please do not misundertake the fact that we are ignoring your recommendation. I think you're doing a great job. Uh, you have put some good numbers out there for us. And as I mentioned earlier, you are doing exactly what we hired you to do. And that is giving us um some basics to try to make a sound decision. [1:37:52, 1:37:55]: So I'm just suggesting, you know, continue doing that. [1:37:56, 1:38:00]: Uh Mr. Knight, we need to try to get these true numbers as as close as we can. [1:38:01, 1:38:03]: On uh completing the amphitheater because [1:38:04, 1:38:14]: Even if the interest rate changes, I think if someone may have said 1.5 now. So uh what is that based on how much money we would bond? So I think for me. [1:38:15, 1:38:18]: Those are the kind of true numbers. [1:38:18, 1:38:21]: That we need to sort of have in order [1:38:21, 1:38:24]: For us to know exactly where we're going. [1:38:24, 1:38:32]: But you know, for me right now, it just appeared that the amphitheater is is more of a black hole. We don't know where the bottom is. So [1:38:32, 1:38:35]: Um, we need to sort of get to the bottom. [1:38:36, 1:38:41]: of of the amphitheater and we sort of have an idea. I won't mention the number for the culture art, but [1:38:42, 1:38:45]: We got to try to wrap that up and try to just be um [1:38:46, 1:38:50]: You know, we just need to complete that for us what what we think it is going to be. [1:38:50, 1:38:57]: So we can go out and bond before uh the rates back up, as uh Councilman Alexander said that. [1:38:57, 1:39:00]: As soon as the economy peaked, August. [1:39:00, 1:39:04]: You know, or indicate that it's going, yeah, those numbers are gonna go up. So [1:39:04, 1:39:08]: I would like for us to be on this side of of that if we could. [1:39:09, 1:39:13]: Okay, Mr. Knight, you were unmuted. You had something, sir, that you need to say. [1:39:14, 1:39:20]: Yeah, I think uh to mayor pro tem Thomas' point, yes, you need to have a a number for the amphitheater now. [1:39:21, 1:39:26]: Whenever you give these numbers, you don't know absolutely 100%. You d you just don't know. [1:39:27, 1:39:28]: I can give you an estimate. [1:39:29, 1:39:41]: Um, I wanted Kickin' Wood and and TSW were looking at some other things for me, but I think you're gonna you're gonna be dealing with uh about six million to six and a half million to bond for the amphitheater to complete it. [1:39:42, 1:39:43]: Move in. [1:39:43, 1:39:44]: Completely. [1:39:45, 1:39:46]: For the ampatheater. [1:39:47, 1:39:47]: The [1:39:48, 1:39:52]: Um estimates that we had received for the Cultural Arts Center. [1:39:52, 1:40:01]: was in the um, as I recall, was in the fourteen to sixteen, about sixteen million dollar range in the amphitheater or I'm sorry, the cultural arts center. [1:40:02, 1:40:10]: The estimates in the Cultural Arts Center did have some FFNE furniture fixtures and equipment costs rolled into that number. [1:40:11, 1:40:14]: as well as some contingency cost rolled into that number. [1:40:14, 1:40:20]: But you're talking about for the Cultural Arts Center, you're probably talking about sixteen to eighteen million dollars. [1:40:20, 1:40:21]: Moved in. [1:40:22, 1:40:25]: And so when you look at those two together, I'm trying to give you [1:40:26, 1:40:28]: Best educated. [1:40:28, 1:40:32]: Uh, numbers based on what we've seen, based on what the consultants have told us. [1:40:32, 1:40:35]: That's what you're looking at for those two projects. [1:40:35, 1:40:37]: Based on the scale. [1:40:37, 1:40:42]: That we were talking about for the Cultural Arts Center, which I think the council in large part [1:40:42, 1:40:43]: agreed with. [1:40:47, 1:40:55]: Okay, is that okay sir? Okay. Council talk back to you. Mr. Mr. Mayor, just to add to that. So Mr. Nine, so [1:40:56, 1:40:57]: If we're looking at [1:40:58, 1:41:01]: Twenty, twenty one, twenty two. [1:41:02, 1:41:02]: Um [1:41:03, 1:41:05]: At one point five [1:41:05, 1:41:09]: Would that sort of give would that sort of put us in the ballpark of [1:41:09, 1:41:11]: What that um [1:41:11, 1:41:12]: Pay out would be [1:41:13, 1:41:32]: For you're talking about oh for for you talking about for for completion of the amphitheater. Oh, okay, okay. And the uh cultural arts, even though that may fluctuate a little bit. Right. Right. Right. That would help me, I know. [1:41:32, 1:41:42]: Right. You So Mayor Mayor Pro Tem Yes Six and a Ha six and a half million on the amphitheater for fifteen years. [1:41:43, 1:41:44]: At two point two percent. [1:41:45, 1:41:48]: Is an annual payback of five hundred and thirteen thousand a year. [1:41:49, 1:41:50]: For how many years? [1:41:51, 1:41:52]: Fifteen. [1:41:52, 1:41:58]: Okay. I'm not using Splos to pay back the amphitheater. I think it was gonna be for Rose Street and Bridges. [1:41:58, 1:42:00]: Cultural Arts Center and Trails. [1:42:00, 1:42:10]: So I did a 15 year bond issue for the amphitheater. Back in December we had four point six million. And remember I showed you tonight that was three hundred and sixty-six thousand. [1:42:11, 1:42:17]: If we go from four point six to six point five, the annual payment's gonna be five hundred and thirteen thousand a year. [1:42:19, 1:42:22]: And one point I wanted to make to everybody on the call. [1:42:22, 1:42:33]: Your splost will start being collected by you in May or June of next year. It started April first of this year and the county got the first year's collections. [1:42:34, 1:42:37]: You'll collect about four hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars a month. [1:42:38, 1:42:46]: So one of the things you would want us to do, John and Randy and Mike, and maybe Keg and Wood, is do a cash flow statement for you. [1:42:47, 1:43:00]: How long would it take you to build a cultural arts center and the trails? Could you finance it on a pay as you go at four hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars a month? And maybe we don't have to borrow all of the eighteen million, maybe we can borrow less. [1:43:00, 1:43:01]: You're you're gonna [1:43:02, 1:43:06]: You know, it's gonna take you a while to get blueprints and then bid it out and then build it. [1:43:07, 1:43:11]: By that point you may be two and a half years into the f four year splotch. [1:43:11, 1:43:13]: We may not have to borrow so much. [1:43:14, 1:43:17]: Does that make sense? We do a cash flow analysis for you. [1:43:17, 1:43:18]: And um [1:43:19, 1:43:23]: And and so um the but Mayor Pro Tem, you make a great point. [1:43:23, 1:43:29]: We we need Kekin Wood and TSW to give us an accurate number of what the amphitheater will cost. [1:43:29, 1:43:32]: So that when we borrow this amount of money. [1:43:32, 1:43:35]: We know for sure that your general fund's only out five million. [1:43:36, 1:43:38]: Because if I don't bar enough. [1:43:38, 1:43:42]: It's gonna it ain't it ain't but one place it can come from and that's your general fund. [1:43:42, 1:43:47]: And and if I may, Mr. Mayor, uh and the thing about the trail, as we all know. [1:43:48, 1:43:50]: We have to decide on [1:43:50, 1:43:52]: Um, you know [1:43:52, 1:43:53]: Betrayo [1:43:53, 1:44:04]: You know, you got different arteries. Uh are we talking five miles of trails? Are we talking 10 miles? Are we talking fifteen? Are we talking twenty? Are we talking thirty? [1:44:04, 1:44:07]: Uh we talked acquisition. So [1:44:07, 1:44:10]: I don't see the trail being completed. [1:44:11, 1:44:14]: Uh in in a short term, I think once we identify [1:44:15, 1:44:24]: Uh, what direction the trail is gonna start? How many miles are we gonna try to complete? What direction are we gonna try to complete? I sort of see the trail. [1:44:24, 1:44:27]: uh completion is going to be incremental. [1:44:27, 1:44:32]: And I don't know, and maybe Mr. Alexander can speak to this when you get a chance, but [1:44:32, 1:44:33]: Um [1:44:35, 1:44:55]: I I don't see that being a short turnaround on the completion of the master trail plan. I I would agree that we can get started with the first two miles, three miles, four miles, or five miles, uh, but I just don't see it being completed, um, not in the short term. [1:44:57, 1:45:12]: Right, Mr. Wal Mr. Wall, uh I would imagine I think what I heard earlier in the conversation that one point five percent, I believe, sir, that was based on um r uh taking money from or bonding from the SPLOSS. I believe that's what you mentioned. Right. It was a [1:45:13, 1:45:20]: It was a four year term instead of a fifteen year term. So one point five percent is where you pay it all back in four years. [1:45:20, 1:45:27]: Two point two percent is fifteen years. Y'all know you you pay interest rate goes up the longer the term is. [1:45:27, 1:45:32]: Right. Got it. Okay, sir. Councilman Barber, d uh did you have anything you need to say? [1:45:33, 1:45:38]: You good? Okay. I just want to make sure. Calvin Blount, you're next. Go ahead. [1:45:40, 1:45:42]: Well you thought I'd figure um [1:45:42, 1:45:44]: It um [1:45:44, 1:45:50]: At fifteen years that you said six point five million would be about five hundred and what thousand a year? [1:45:50, 1:45:51]: Five thirteen. [1:45:52, 1:45:56]: If it's five thirteen for six point five million. [1:45:57, 1:46:00]: Uh and the splas would yield about four twenty seven. [1:46:01, 1:46:10]: uh you're still looking at roughly uh eighty thousand, eighty plus thousand that that still has to be paid on up on that uh uh on that splots. [1:46:11, 1:46:17]: So I was I was wondering, I didn't think we had planned on Sploss paying for the amphitheater. [1:46:17, 1:46:20]: I thought it was coming from the general fund. [1:46:20, 1:46:24]: Well we we got portions coming from the general funds. [1:46:24, 1:46:27]: But if if there has to be a bonding. [1:46:27, 1:46:43]: To complete the amphitheater, it's gonna be about six point five million. That wouldn't have been coming from the general fund. That would have been a bonded amount in itself. And so if if that becomes a bonded amount in itself, if you're talking about six point five uh that [1:46:44, 1:47:01]: uh it's gonna be 513 million i'm gonna say 513 000 and we only getting 427 000 from splots let's go ahead and triple that because what we're talking about was been thrown out 18 uh 18 million dollar bonding then look at what that's gonna be and that's gonna be what uh uh [1:47:01, 1:47:09]: Splos splos revenue, then it's gonna it's gonna affect our general fund, it's gonna affect our fund balance. We have to look at all these numbers. [1:47:10, 1:47:13]: And the four hundred and twenty seven thousand was a monthly amount. [1:47:14, 1:47:19]: We're talk we yeah, but w we're we're talking about a um a monthly amount that's coming in. [1:47:19, 1:47:23]: That will be coming that that proposedly coming in for splots. [1:47:23, 1:47:31]: Yeah. The amount to pay off this loan is gonna be substantially above that if you bind an eighteen eighteen million dollars. [1:47:31, 1:47:33]: This is where I'm talking about where [1:47:34, 1:47:44]: where the numbers doesn't benefit us because we're in the dark on what numbers we're actually gonna need to bond, but that's gonna put us over a million dollars. [1:47:44, 1:47:54]: If we're still talking about if we're still talking about fifteen years, we're talking about almost we're talking nine hundred thousand uh a million dollars that we still gonna have to pay a month. [1:47:55, 1:47:57]: To t to take care of these loans. [1:47:57, 1:47:59]: Yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, I'm sorry. [1:48:00, 1:48:02]: So w what I was trying to do is say [1:48:02, 1:48:03]: You know [1:48:04, 1:48:12]: Get Kekin Wood and T SW to give you accurate numbers for the amphitheater, accurate numbers for the trails, and accurate number for the cultural arts center. [1:48:12, 1:48:15]: And then staff can do a cash flow analysis for you. [1:48:16, 1:48:18]: Starting with that four hundred and twenty seven thousand a month. [1:48:19, 1:48:24]: Some of those things can be done as pay as you go and you might not have to borrow so much. [1:48:24, 1:48:26]: But but just a follow up on that. [1:48:26, 1:48:31]: Yes, sir. But if we're talking about today one than eighteen million dollars. [1:48:33, 1:48:34]: We can do all the other stuff. [1:48:35, 1:48:40]: But you're talking about bringing in four hundred twenty-seven thousand dollars a year from Splos. [1:48:40, 1:48:49]: A month a month. A month. A month. A month. A month from Splash. But with but then but over time, then I'm trying to tell you over time you do the numbers. [1:48:49, 1:48:51]: They're not gonna add up. [1:48:53, 1:48:58]: That's the point of the cash flow analysis, is is to give you exact number. But you're right. I mean [1:48:58, 1:49:09]: Uh if I take money out of splash for roads, if I take money out of splash for the amphitheater, that's less money available for the cultural arts center and the trails. So if you borrow eighteen million. [1:49:09, 1:49:11]: Expecting to get twenty. [1:49:11, 1:49:24]: over four years to pay it all back. If a recession hits, you ain't gonna get twenty. And if you take part of that twenty and do other things, then it you gotta make up the bonded debtist bonded indebtedness from some other place. [1:49:27, 1:49:28]: Okay. Just like you said. [1:49:28, 1:49:31]: All right. Councilman Alexander, go ahead, please. [1:49:31, 1:49:42]: Uh yes, sir. Uh Councilman Amerim had asked a question uh about um these particular potential projects. Of course we we cannot we could not [1:49:42, 1:49:44]: bond the entire master trail plan. [1:49:45, 1:49:52]: The the the part is to bund the parts that we talked about as priority priority corridors. [1:49:53, 1:49:53]: Right. [1:49:53, 1:49:56]: Finishing Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail. [1:49:56, 1:50:00]: The east Atlanta Road Trail extension to the city limits. [1:50:00, 1:50:02]: To be able to connect to Panola. [1:50:02, 1:50:04]: There were several segments that we [1:50:04, 1:50:08]: Porsche out in our downtown area, cause downtown was our priority. [1:50:09, 1:50:29]: So the the push is to get incrementally the downtown portion finished. And the hope for long-term financing of the master trail plan is that the T-SPLOST will pass next year and we will have be able to complete the rest of it with another splice, not just one. So that took that we got 20 million. [1:50:28, 1:50:48]: million suppose that we have already voters have approved. We could have 40 million. So in that aspect, it would be incrementally done that portion. We would complete the entire cultural arts center campus and everything. And we will incrementally get started with the priority of [1:50:48, 1:50:52]: This council, which is the downtown area. [1:50:52, 1:50:54]: How great would it be? [1:50:54, 1:50:57]: Visualize this, okay. [1:50:57, 1:51:01]: As we connect to the Panola Mountain Greenway. [1:51:01, 1:51:09]: Imagine what destination in Metro Atlanta could be, the amphitheater in Stockbridge to Village Park. [1:51:09, 1:51:19]: to Panola Mountain. What trail in Metro Atlanta or Georgia or the Southeast could touch that? The segment would be from our amphitheater [1:51:19, 1:51:31]: To Village Park in Ellenwood, to Panola Mountain Greenway, onto Atlanta. Okay? That's what we're talking about from our downtown. We talk about Martin Luther King. [1:51:32, 1:51:34]: Senior. We have that heritage. [1:51:34, 1:51:46]: We can attract those visitors into our downtown, connected, using our national uh our trail system to implement every time we talk about. [1:51:46, 1:51:53]: our heritage with Martin Luther King Sr., what do they ask us? Well the pro tourism told us there's nothing to see. [1:51:53, 1:51:58]: Well, how about we have a you know a culture art center up and running? [1:51:59, 1:51:59]: Right. [1:52:00, 1:52:03]: We have the master trail plan connecting it. [1:52:03, 1:52:13]: to the amphitheater up to Panola Mountain, we've just generated income for the city for years to come. And we set a firm foundation. [1:52:14, 1:52:22]: For the re for the history of this city. So now literally you will be able to traverse the city along connected trails. [1:52:22, 1:52:25]: In the footsteps of Daddy King. [1:52:26, 1:52:29]: How who wouldn't want to be a part of that? [1:52:29, 1:52:40]: And again, incrementally, we would complete that portion first. So we would have the money in hand to take care of Martin Luther King, Senior Heritage Trail. [1:52:40, 1:52:48]: As at was as was recommended, the East Atlantic extension, the downtown area, so you could traverse our area. And what [1:52:48, 1:52:52]: Getting our people. We know that we have projects coming in downtown, right? [1:52:53, 1:52:57]: You could go from the amphitheater to downtown or any area of the city. [1:52:57, 1:53:00]: That's how it would be done incrementally. [1:53:00, 1:53:04]: Doing what we need to be done. I don't understand the math. [1:53:05, 1:53:10]: The math that says you collect eighteen million dollars, you bond eighteen million dollars. [1:53:10, 1:53:13]: You collect twenty point five. [1:53:13, 1:53:16]: And you're gonna come up short. I don't understand that math. [1:53:16, 1:53:36]: That math to me makes no sense because if you're gonna bond 18 million, you're not bonding all of this flies. You're gonna get 20 million if things are just soft. Those those numbers are based on soft numbers, they're not based on the economy growing and things happening here in the city of Stockbridge. So I I [1:53:36, 1:53:41]: I wholeheartedly support this particular effort to be be able to complete [1:53:42, 1:53:58]: our historic connecting history right here in our city. We can do that. But again, this council has to lead. We cannot continue to promise citizens what we're going to deliver and not deliver. And I know these projects are best in class. [1:53:58, 1:54:01]: And when that cultural art center goes up. [1:54:01, 1:54:05]: Oh my goodness, we're gonna be a destination. [1:54:05, 1:54:06]: Yeah. [1:54:06, 1:54:08]: Councilwoman uh Councilwoman Gantt please. [1:54:10, 1:54:11]: Thank you. [1:54:11, 1:54:12]: Um [1:54:12, 1:54:22]: A a couple of things. I know years ago we approved this master trail plan. I'm really excited about that. Um however and I'm excited I'm glad Mayor Pro Tem, he [1:54:24, 1:54:25]: put together a list for us to rank. [1:54:26, 1:54:28]: Um, you know, and I still want [1:54:29, 1:54:32]: Our rankings to stay the way we had agreed upon. [1:54:32, 1:54:34]: In regards to her community center. [1:54:35, 1:54:37]: Which is important in our art center. [1:54:37, 1:54:40]: Um and our master trail print plan. [1:54:41, 1:54:48]: We didn't make that as one of the top five on the list, I don't believe, but uh it is a priority, of course. It is something that we need. [1:54:49, 1:54:50]: Um [1:54:51, 1:54:57]: I don't know if we're considering uh what I I'm a little confused, and maybe Mr. Knighton can help me or Mr. Williams, Attorney Williams. [1:54:59, 1:55:02]: Our splash funds that we were talking about bunding. [1:55:02, 1:55:10]: We got a lot of exciting things going. We have a really good plan for our downtown, for our city of Stockbridge in general. [1:55:10, 1:55:13]: But when we're talking about bonds, um [1:55:13, 1:55:14]: And [1:55:16, 1:55:25]: The reason it became bonding all a l a bunch of projects together and my concern again still stands as if [1:55:25, 1:55:28]: We need to be safe. I heard Councilman [1:55:28, 1:55:35]: Woman Barber uh mentioned it as well in regards to making sure we have the accurate numbers for the amphitheater when we bond out. [1:55:35, 1:55:38]: Um, I think we're all in agreement with that. [1:55:38, 1:55:40]: But I also want to [1:55:41, 1:55:48]: talk about SPLOSC a little bit because it looks like we're talking about bunding based off of the amount of money we have in SPLOST. [1:55:48, 1:55:50]: And splash [1:55:51, 1:55:52]: Don't forget. [1:55:53, 1:55:57]: You we've already pinpointed where Splash funds are gonna go. We have a list. [1:55:58, 1:55:59]: Right. [1:55:59, 1:56:03]: Is that not correct? We have a list for our roads. [1:56:04, 1:56:18]: our infrastructure for different projects that we have to do for SPLOS you can't compare, you can't say we're getting$20 million in SPLOS. So we can bond$20 million. [1:56:19, 1:56:25]: No, we have if we're gonna get 20 if it's projected, we've already projected where that spLOS money is going to go. [1:56:26, 1:56:36]: And it's not all gonna go to an art center. It's not gonna go all to a trail plan. It's not gonna go all we have it already planned out. And that's by law. [1:56:37, 1:56:37]: Correct. [1:56:38, 1:56:39]: That's my law. [1:56:39, 1:56:42]: So, I need us to understand. [1:56:43, 1:56:44]: The difference. [1:56:45, 1:56:53]: You can't talk about splot. You can talk about SPLOSS and what we want to do with that money and projects. We do have some SPLOSS funds set aside for our capital projects. [1:56:54, 1:56:56]: But it's not all of it. [1:56:56, 1:57:02]: And we have some dirty, you know, people don't look we always call them the not so pretty things. [1:57:02, 1:57:03]: Water. [1:57:05, 1:57:12]: Roads, things that are needed to operate and function and and the function build to be functionable as a city. [1:57:13, 1:57:16]: The not so pretty things. So you have to think about those things. [1:57:16, 1:57:20]: When it comes to us come to us as being financially responsible. [1:57:22, 1:57:30]: I think we all are on the same page. I think we need to literally sit down and get these costs. I don't know when those costs are gonna come. [1:57:31, 1:57:35]: We are finishing the amphitheater and we're still getting new cost. [1:57:36, 1:57:38]: I heard Kirk state. [1:57:38, 1:57:39]: That [1:57:39, 1:57:46]: He will be getting that over to us soon, in so many words. Yeah. We should have a final number on that. [1:57:47, 1:57:51]: I don't want us to start just bonding out things. [1:57:51, 1:57:53]: Putting a lot of money out of there out here. No [1:57:54, 1:57:56]: Not knowing what the economy is gonna look like. [1:57:57, 1:57:57]: Right. [1:57:58, 1:58:07]: Even though it's looking okay right now, that's not the predictions in the future. And I'm not an expert in a financial expert, but we have one online. [1:58:08, 1:58:17]: And what I'm saying to you is I want us to be careful. I'm excited about all of that. I love you know, Councilman Alexander, I love the trails. [1:58:17, 1:58:37]: Started off loving the trails at Reese Creek, and I'm not against any of that. But I also know that Ms. Braggs was talking about possible grants, right? There are so many different things and so many different ways we are looking into what we're trying to do. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, but we definitely can't compare it with our sports. [1:58:37, 1:58:38]: Blast. [1:58:38, 1:58:40]: That's a to me an error. [1:58:41, 1:58:42]: That's all. [1:58:43, 1:58:50]: Mirror Tent Thomas, go ahead, sir. Yeah, I I uh you're you're correct, uh Councilwoman Gand. I know in the I think you're referring to the [1:58:50, 1:58:52]: Шоттер. [1:58:53, 1:59:08]: um document where a lot of these things has been uh indicated and we have submitted to the state. So I think and I don't think we took that in consideration. But let me just say this because I know uh this has been uh good dialogue, good information. [1:59:08, 1:59:21]: So I want to ask Mr. Knight, because I'm I'm I'm wanna suggest that we sort of move on, but I want to make sure that uh Mr. Knight and Mr. Walls, uh Mr. Knight, uh do you have your directive? [1:59:21, 1:59:25]: Uh from this conversation, you know, I think it's a consensus that [1:59:25, 1:59:29]: We need to try to get as close as we can to to true numbers. [1:59:29, 1:59:31]: To move these projects forward. [1:59:32, 1:59:33]: And and um [1:59:33, 1:59:38]: You know, um Mr. Walls, you've done a great job in the potential of we bond [1:59:38, 1:59:56]: this amount of money, what that percentage, you know, the whole payout. So I think we have good information, but I don't want us to end this meeting tonight and we're in the same place. And then we have to come back at another meeting and go over the same thing. So I want to just make sure Mr. Night do [1:59:56, 2:00:00]: Do you have directives as far as [2:00:00, 2:00:05]: Uh how do we take all of this information? How do we take this discussion? [2:00:05, 2:00:13]: And and we go far. So I'd like for you and Mr. Wall to sort of just talk about that. And then after that, Mr. Mr. Mayor, I would recommend that. [2:00:13, 2:00:16]: Uh we move on because I think we can talk about this uh [2:00:17, 2:00:21]: for the rest of the night, but I just want to make sure that there are directives. [2:00:22, 2:00:23]: In place [2:00:23, 2:00:28]: so that you know we can continue to move forward on this so we can actually [2:00:28, 2:00:31]: Get to a point where we can agree. [2:00:32, 2:00:35]: That this is the amount that we're going to bond and I think [2:00:35, 2:00:40]: That's what we need to get to. We need to be able to raise our hands and say, okay. [2:00:40, 2:00:42]: We're gonna bite the bullet. We're gonna step out on faith. [2:00:43, 2:00:50]: And this is the amount that we are going to bond. So we need to get to that point. So Mr. Night, Mr. Walls. [2:00:50, 2:00:51]: Um [2:00:52, 2:00:55]: What do you say to that as far as [2:00:55, 2:00:57]: Taking everything that's been said. [2:00:57, 2:01:00]: And and and coming back and let's move to the next step. [2:01:01, 2:01:03]: Not to come back and rehash what we talked about tonight. [2:01:04, 2:01:08]: But going to the next levels for us, trying to conclude um [2:01:08, 2:01:09]: The amount [2:01:09, 2:01:11]: That we're going to bond. [2:01:12, 2:01:14]: I think that Mr. Wall's um [2:01:14, 2:01:18]: uh suggestion about a cash flow analysis so you can see everything laid out. [2:01:19, 2:01:26]: Is what the the approach that we're going to take. I want to say a couple of things. Obviously, the council wants to move these projects forward, and I think to that degree. [2:01:27, 2:01:31]: The council has found commonality on wanting to make sure these civic projects get done. [2:01:32, 2:01:36]: for the sake of the citizens and for the sake of the city. So that obviously is a good thing. [2:01:36, 2:01:56]: Um a couple other things I would mention. One is um Councilman Gantton alluded to earlier, SPLOST five, there were certain categories laid out, about nine point seven five, I think, for civic projects, about four for sewer water infrastructure, four for roads, bridges, trails, and about two and a half of our call for parks. Those are estimates as I'm I'm getting. [2:01:56, 2:02:03]: From the top of my head, of what we did look at. Second thing is if a T splot, transportation sploss is passed. [2:02:04, 2:02:07]: uh sometime next year that can only be used [2:02:08, 2:02:11]: For transportation related projects, trails, yes. [2:02:11, 2:02:18]: Um roads and bridges, yes, but it cannot be used obviously for these other civic projects. And so we have to take that into account. [2:02:19, 2:02:29]: Third thing is uh I mentioned a couple of figures earlier with respect to what I think it would take for the amphitheater and for the cultural arts center. For the amphitheater, I've already already charged kicking wood. [2:02:29, 2:02:36]: um and h and um tsw to come back with some hard soft cars that they'll provide for me [2:02:37, 2:02:46]: By the next meeting, I think we need to be ready. I I think we our charge is myself, as staff, and is as uh Mr. Ball to have it laid out plain for you. [2:02:47, 2:02:48]: To see clearly. [2:02:48, 2:02:49]: What you need to bond. [2:02:50, 2:02:52]: I mentioned about six and a half million I thought for the amphitheater. [2:02:53, 2:02:54]: Now to complete that project. [2:02:55, 2:02:57]: Remember I also want to mention [2:02:57, 2:03:01]: That when we talk about these roads and we talk about parking and so forth. [2:03:01, 2:03:06]: There was the other part of money of of three million dollars from Splos, as y'all recall. [2:03:06, 2:03:11]: For those road projects, East Atlanta and for um [2:03:11, 2:03:16]: Lee Street. That's separate and apart from the six and a half million. We think that'll cover it, but once we bid it out. [2:03:17, 2:03:19]: You can't be sure. The other thing I want to mention. [2:03:19, 2:03:27]: We will give you our absolute best in terms of our consultants, in terms of Mr. Wall, in terms of myself, trying to get you. [2:03:27, 2:03:29]: The best numbers that we can. [2:03:29, 2:03:49]: But there still also is a bit of a risk. And somebody mentioned that earlier. There still is a bit of a risk. We will not know absolutely positively for absolute certain what the amphitheater will cost until that last screwdriver is riveted into the last frame of the last door. I'm just saying. Right, exactly. That's the [2:03:49, 2:03:56]: Uh, we won't know exactly, exactly, exactly. What we are doing is giving you the best estimate based on the information. [2:03:57, 2:04:02]: from the consultants who have done, I think, a tremendous job of of getting information we need and putting it before you. [2:04:03, 2:04:07]: Of giving your best information so you'll know exactly what you need to bond. [2:04:07, 2:04:10]: And lay that out for you in a cash flow analysis. [2:04:10, 2:04:16]: based on the available resources we have, which is um uh fund balance, although I really [2:04:16, 2:04:19]: Prefer not to be dipping the fund balance anymore. [2:04:19, 2:04:26]: Um but but splosed five what whatever we have remaining for splot four splot which we don't have much but sploss five. [2:04:26, 2:04:29]: Uh, and how that lays out for all of these projects. [2:04:30, 2:04:34]: So Mr. Mill, if I could just follow up, so if we could just have Mr. Wall just to [2:04:37, 2:04:44]: Uh he's online uh right now. Closing comments and I know Mr. Alexander has a hand up, but I was hoping that we could move on after Mr. Walls. [2:04:47, 2:04:49]: You've you're muted, Miss Walls. Miss Wall, you've muted. [2:04:50, 2:04:58]: Thank you, boss. I was uh trying to find the list of the splotched uh projects in the intergovernmental contract with the county, that's why I was offline. [2:04:58, 2:04:59]: Um [2:04:59, 2:05:10]: Uh y I have clear direction about what you want. I'll work with Mr. Wiggins and uh Mr. Knighton and we'll get you an accurate number for what it takes to complete the amphitheater and an accurate bond amount. [2:05:11, 2:05:13]: And um we're we're clear with what you need. [2:05:14, 2:05:19]: All right, so we'll be able to address that in our next uh work session uh in a couple of weeks from now. [2:05:20, 2:05:29]: We Mr. Mayor, we plan to have it laid out for you and be ready to make the decision. That's what we want to put before you for you all to make the decision on the bonding. [2:05:30, 2:05:30]: First answer. [2:05:31, 2:05:45]: Appreciate it. Mr. Alexander, we need to move on, but if you ins you insist, go ahead. I just want to clarify one thing, okay? Uh is that uh we're we're we're uh the I I thought we were w going in a direction that we might be looking at. [2:05:45, 2:05:50]: bonding all of the projects don't we want all of the options or we just want the one option [2:05:51, 2:05:54]: I thought we wanted all of the options, right? [2:05:54, 2:06:14]: We didn't just want just the amphitheater option. We wanted all of the options. Yeah, Mayor Protein's got two fingers up for two. So look, and I wanted to clarify the point that I was making. The point that I was making was bonding the$18 million. The$18 million, I understand the splots has been assigned, but those non-sexy projects. [2:06:14, 2:06:16]: А абсолютні несери та комплек. [2:06:17, 2:06:20]: The amp the uh cultural arts center and the trail. [2:06:20, 2:06:40]: You want to complete the cultural arts center and then have to tear up the parking lot or the downtown area, okay? Once you're doing it. You want to have that money in hand so you can do the infrastructure as you're doing the building. You don't want to put the building up and then have to tear the parking lot to put the infrastructure. [2:06:40, 2:06:46]: structure in. So the$18 million that we're bonding, those project designations are going to stay the same. [2:06:47, 2:06:51]: My point would be that we have Main Street pursuing grants. [2:06:51, 2:06:55]: for the multi t uh for the master trail plan, millions of dollars. [2:06:55, 2:06:58]: We have the Path Foundation discussion coming up. [2:06:58, 2:07:04]: They'll be able to bring millions of dollars to the table for us as well. Okay. We assign [2:07:04, 2:07:24]: Keck and Wood. We shouldn't have these cost overruns. That's why we hired Keckin' Wood. So that we'll have a project manager that can give us some accurate numbers for these projects going forward, right? Isn't that why we hired Kek and Wood? So that we would have a professional management team that could help us to look. [2:07:24, 2:07:31]: over view the overview of these projects and Mr. Knight I think as we had the discussion by closing [2:07:31, 2:07:33]: Well, we had a discussion. [2:07:33, 2:07:53]: uh previously about bonding the uh a a larger amount we were gonna pair the fund balance down to ten million dollars and the ten uh what ten million dollars which would be what a year uh uh one a whole year twelve months without collecting another tax dollar so uh that was the that was the what [2:07:53, 2:08:13]: One of the options that was presented to council, to me, that would be the way to go. I know we don't want we don't want to deplete farm balance, but if we got we got a whole year worth of fund balance in there, okay, we have enough with all of these fund pots coming in to complete multiple projects at one time. [2:08:13, 2:08:13]: Thank you. [2:08:14, 2:08:14]: Good deal. [2:08:15, 2:08:15]: Right. [2:08:16, 2:08:20]: Now I I believe that's it. Councilman Barber, you have something you need to say or you're good? [2:08:21, 2:08:38]: All right, good. All right. We'll move on. More more actually more to follow that next at our work session, you all bring bring everything forward and we'll make a decision then. Final decision. Good deal. Thank you. May I be excuse, mate? All right. Yes, sir. I'm sorry, Mr. Wall. Yes, you can. We'll see you in a couple of weeks. Thank you, sir. No problem. Thank you. Bye bye. You're welcome. [2:08:39, 2:08:43]: Council consideration approved Falcon Design Task Order Number Twenty Twenty. [2:08:43, 2:08:49]: Point eleven the Smith Barnes sewer Smith Barnes sewer main and force main [2:08:49, 2:08:54]: uh rehabilitation project an amount of sixty two thousand five hundred dollars [2:08:54, 2:08:58]: A funding source would be the sewer department fund balance. Mr. Aaron, please. [2:08:59, 2:09:01]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. [2:09:02, 2:09:12]: Uh the city uh two years ago received CDBG funding to video and identify the issues we're having at the Smith Barnes Sanitary Sewer Basin. [2:09:13, 2:09:27]: So that has been completed and now we want to move forward with having Falcon Design prepare the plans and specification to go about making the repairs that were identified during the uh phase one, which was the video and [2:09:27, 2:09:28]: Of the [2:09:28, 2:09:30]: uh sanitary sewer system. [2:09:31, 2:09:32]: Okay. [2:09:33, 2:09:37]: Yeah, any questions for um uh Mr. Aaron and I'll count. [2:09:42, 2:09:44]: Okay, uh Councilman Alexander, go ahead, please. [2:09:44, 2:09:49]: Yes, sir. I I thank you for bringing this forward. You actually brought up a subject that I wanted to um [2:09:50, 2:09:54]: Broach uh as well. You you said these were C D V G w funds, correct? [2:09:55, 2:10:00]: Yes, sir, for phase one, which was up for the video another uh sanitary sewer basin. [2:10:01, 2:10:15]: Right. These are the projects that we need in order to s these are the non sexy projects that we were talking about that of the infrastructure that we need to put in place for projects that we have coming in the coming growth of the city. Is that correct? [2:10:16, 2:10:20]: Yes, sir. And address some issues that we have in that sewer basin. [2:10:20, 2:10:29]: Absolutely, to address those issues. Now, as we move forward, these CDG C D BG funds are available every year, correct? We just have to apply for them. [2:10:29, 2:10:38]: Yes, sir. We've been applying. They've uh approved us for another$100,000 this year. So we will be using those funds as well. [2:10:39, 2:10:52]: Okay, is it I I don't know, maybe Mr. Knighting can answer this question as well. I mean you'll see BG funds are are are supposed to be, I guess they're supposed to be in uh low to my communities, is that correct? [2:10:52, 2:11:06]: Yes. There yeah, there's certain crit certain criteria that have to certain criteria. So if we applied for uh the portion of m the master trail plan on Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail, could C D BG funds be used for that? [2:11:07, 2:11:11]: I would have to check to be sure that um Councilman Alexander [2:11:11, 2:11:24]: Mostly C D B G funds are for infrastructure type items. Isn't that infrastructure? That's that's that's that is infrastructure. That is that is infrastructure, but I I I I I really think [2:11:24, 2:11:44]: We pay for a sidewalk on North Berry Street out of C V GY Fund. That's that's how we got, yeah. Isn't that correct, Mayor Pro Tem? Yes, yes, those funds can be used for that. I just think it's always yes. That's what I was thinking. Right. So we gotta take advantage of all of these pots and sources. If the money is out there, we gotta be able to go. [2:11:44, 2:11:56]: go out there and get it and we gotta re-implement uh that grant program, that grant writer program where we got an aggressive grant writer going after those funds on the table. But we know that that money can be used for that. So thank you. [2:11:58, 2:12:18]: Well, I I'm just going to uh mention the fact that we did use um uh block grant funds for the completion of uh South Berry, but I will agree too of um Mr. Nine uh a grant writer. Um that's another discussion, but uh I'm in favor of that. But yes, we did use. [2:12:18, 2:12:19]: Some of those funds. [2:12:20, 2:12:28]: All right, council, any more questions, concerns, thoughts? If not, I need a motion to accept uh this proposal, please. So moved. [2:12:28, 2:12:29]: Sir a second. [2:12:30, 2:12:34]: A second. Welcome woman Barber seconds that okay, any further discussion? [2:12:35, 2:12:37]: If not, all in favor, please indicate. [2:12:39, 2:12:43]: Okay. It looks like it's unanimous in this aspect. Okay. Thank you very much. [2:12:44, 2:12:59]: Council consideration approved the request authorizing a use of$120,000 from the Sanitation Division fund balance to cover increased landfill disposal costs, funding source, sanitation fund balance. Mr. Aaron, please. [2:13:00, 2:13:20]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. During this COVID pandemic, we've noticed that a lot of homeowners are doing a lot of spring cleaning these days. So our tonnage is increasing, as well as the annual shortfall we've experienced due to what our rates were and what the vendor were billing us for those customers. So we're asking. [2:13:20, 2:13:28]: Council's approval to move uh money from fund balance to cover the remaining portion of the year for the uh sanitation disposal costs. [2:13:30, 2:13:32]: All right, great. Uh Councilman Blount, go ahead, please. [2:13:34, 2:13:40]: Uh thank you for being here, Mr. Daisy. Uh you know, uh I had some stuff I had to dispose of here recently. [2:13:40, 2:13:47]: Uh when I called the uh county, I think it I think it's over in um near Hampton. [2:13:47, 2:13:52]: It was like it was gonna be like twenty dollars for what I had. When I called uh [2:13:53, 2:13:56]: Uh Jonesboro, we're talking about they say the minimum is forty dollars. [2:13:57, 2:14:00]: We don't have landfield. [2:14:00, 2:14:06]: But the m but the minimum for us here in Stockbridge for our citizens is eighty six dollars. [2:14:07, 2:14:10]: Um I went to the Cab County. [2:14:10, 2:14:16]: Which is sixteen dollars less than a ton, less than a thousand pound, less than a half ton, a thousand pounds. [2:14:17, 2:14:18]: So I'm just trying to figure out. [2:14:19, 2:14:23]: What are the rates that we're we're being charged as a city now? [2:14:23, 2:14:29]: compatible to other cities, that now we have to have an increase right now for our citizens. [2:14:32, 2:14:40]: Okay. Well sir, uh when I did that spreadsheet at the budget retreat, I don't have it in front of me. [2:14:40, 2:14:41]: But uh [2:14:42, 2:14:49]: GFL was charging us seventeen dollars and forty-three cents a cart and we were charging [2:14:49, 2:14:56]: Elizabeth twelve dollars a card. So we've been suppl sir. [2:14:57, 2:15:01]: You kind of faded in out, Mr. Aaron. Uh restate your last please. [2:15:05, 2:15:06]: He's he's frozen now. [2:15:10, 2:15:11]: Yeah, he's up. [2:15:12, 2:15:14]: Go ahead. Um [2:15:16, 2:15:17]: Both ways. [2:15:20, 2:15:20]: Voted [2:15:21, 2:15:23]: We can't we can't hear you dishes. I mean. [2:15:24, 2:15:26]: No try one more time. [2:15:29, 2:15:30]: Can you hear me now? [2:15:30, 2:15:32]: Yeah, go ahead. You sound clear enough. [2:15:33, 2:15:36]: I said uh both waste is included in your weekly pickup. [2:15:37, 2:15:38]: And that [2:15:38, 2:15:49]: $12 that the citizens are paying this year. So that's included. And anything outside of the three items they pick up, it costs an additional fee. [2:15:49, 2:15:51]: But you get weekly belt bulk pickup. [2:15:52, 2:15:59]: And I did the comparison at the budget retreat. I don't have that information in front of me as to what the other [2:15:59, 2:15:59]: Ness. [2:16:00, 2:16:03]: Palace is paid in Henry County. [2:16:06, 2:16:15]: All right, we kind of faded in out this uh last couple of comments here, but uh um anybody any any more questions or concerns for Mr. Aaron on the subject? [2:16:16, 2:16:20]: Somebody y'all made the answer out. Somebody got it. Will you wanna translate for me to email? [2:16:21, 2:16:22]: [8183.7, 8192.6]: Now well actually what it amounts to, he said he didn't have all the data necessary, but he didn't know what uh what I understand, he didn't know what Henry County was charging because he didn't have that available. [2:16:32, 2:16:38]: Um but you made a comparison, you made a comparison of other municipalities, right? Desha, is that correct? [2:16:39, 2:16:41]: Yes, sir. That was presented at the budget retreat. [2:16:42, 2:16:44]: And ours was fairly comparable. [2:16:47, 2:16:52]: Hours prior to the rate increase was below the other municipalities. [2:16:54, 2:16:58]: And the other municipalities didn't offer all the services that we offer. [2:17:01, 2:17:04]: So any other questions is uh for Mr. [2:17:05, 2:17:07]: Council Blount, do you got a clear understanding now, sir? [2:17:08, 2:17:19]: Yeah, yeah. Um it's yeah. All right. If no further comments or questions for Mr. Aaron, I need a motion to accept this proposal. [2:17:20, 2:17:22]: Is there a motion? Someone. [2:17:25, 2:17:27]: So okay, is there a second? [2:17:31, 2:17:31]: Is there a second? [2:17:34, 2:17:36]: No second. So otherwise it you second. [2:17:36, 2:17:39]: Okay, there we go. Councilman Gantt, just a second now. [2:17:39, 2:17:51]: Since there's such a delay, do we have further conversation for Mr. Aaron if there's such a delay? I mean, what else do you need to know? You need to ask the question now before we take the vote. If there's something else you need to know. For me, for me. [2:17:52, 2:17:53]: Is [2:17:54, 2:17:56]: When it comes to citizens [2:17:57, 2:18:02]: Uh because like I said, we and I know that we don't have a we we don't have a [2:18:03, 2:18:03]: Um [2:18:04, 2:18:08]: What you call it? Waste we don't have a a a landfield. [2:18:09, 2:18:10]: We have a transfer station. [2:18:12, 2:18:18]: Is there some way that we can negotiate that price where cities can take their stuff and they have to go [2:18:18, 2:18:21]: Instead of going outside the city of Stockbridge. [2:18:22, 2:18:23]: Yeah. [2:18:23, 2:18:26]: You're talking about a rate of eighty six dollars. [2:18:27, 2:18:29]: Eighty six dollars. [2:18:29, 2:18:31]: For citizens to take. [2:18:31, 2:18:38]: The trash to a to the transfer station or wherever they need to take it. And the city limits the stop bridge. [2:18:38, 2:18:47]: Uh I I think we need to start looking in some uh some areas there that that that uh can help our citizens in that area, that they don't have we don't have to go. [2:18:47, 2:18:55]: Clayton County or try or try to go to Clayton County and go to the Cab County and and I know it's a transfer station, but we're gonna be tr charged tonnage. [2:18:56, 2:18:58]: Paying this tonnage rate anyway. [2:19:00, 2:19:03]: Then we may as well let the citizens go talk the trash. [2:19:04, 2:19:15]: I mean, you know, we we either gonna pay the rate in front of their yards or they don't have to wait to put it in front of their yard. They take it to the translation first station themselves if the total amount of the time is gonna be the same. [2:19:16, 2:19:19]: It it to me it makes more sense. [2:19:20, 2:19:24]: And and that becomes a service to me for the citizens. [2:19:27, 2:19:31]: Okay, once uh once hold on uh Mayor Pro Tem. Councilwoman Barber, go ahead, please. [2:19:32, 2:19:38]: All right, Mirapal Tam Thomas Gloria, sir. Okay, Mr. Aaron, I'm trying to get a better understanding too. And I'm looking at this so. [2:19:39, 2:19:40]: Landfield [2:19:41, 2:19:43]: Диспозабо кол. [2:19:43, 2:19:46]: Now the transfer station [2:19:46, 2:19:48]: Uh management. [2:19:49, 2:19:49]: What [2:19:51, 2:19:52]: What are they? [2:19:53, 2:19:54]: What is the rental? [2:19:56, 2:19:59]: That the city of Dogbridge received. [2:20:00, 2:20:04]: From them. I'm trying to see how we can out out balance this. Has that been any increase? [2:20:06, 2:20:10]: No, sir. The contract I looked at is a 10 year contract. [2:20:10, 2:20:26]: And the transfer station, you still got the final disposal cost. This the waste is taken to the transfer station as a holding place and then eventually taken from the transfer station to the landfill for final disposal. So you have those costs associated with the landfill. [2:20:27, 2:20:30]: So so where we where are we in that 10 year contract? [2:20:36, 2:20:43]: I wanna probably halfway through, I would think. Taking a wild guess. Ha I think we're halfway through, but I don't know. Go ahead, Mr. Aaron. [2:20:45, 2:20:52]: Yes, sir. I could provide that information for you tomorrow. I don't have the contract in front of me, but I I think Michael Harris signed the last contract. [2:20:54, 2:20:55]: It was twenty sixteen. [2:20:56, 2:20:58]: Okay. So this is twenty twenty. [2:20:59, 2:21:05]: All right. So almost halfway through. All right. Go ahead, Mayor Pro Tem anything else? [2:21:05, 2:21:09]: No, that that's it. I'm just just trying to see how we can outbalance this. Um [2:21:10, 2:21:12]: But that's that's that's pretty much it. [2:21:13, 2:21:15]: Councilwoman Barber, go ahead, please. [2:21:18, 2:21:20]: Councilwoman Barber, you had a question? [2:21:20, 2:21:22]: Yes. Um [2:21:23, 2:21:24]: I'm trying to find [2:21:27, 2:21:27]: Where I was. [2:21:28, 2:21:30]: Okay, so looking at the [2:21:31, 2:21:34]: The document that Mr. Aaron provided. [2:21:34, 2:21:37]: Comparing the cost from last year and this year. [2:21:38, 2:21:41]: I'm just looking at um there has been a significant [2:21:41, 2:21:42]: Increase. [2:21:43, 2:21:45]: in our monthly cost. [2:21:46, 2:21:49]: I see just from September of twenty nineteen. [2:21:49, 2:21:53]: The transfer station monthly cost was 26,000. [2:21:53, 2:21:55]: Eight nineteen thirty three. [2:21:57, 2:22:00]: September of this year, it was thirty nine thousand. [2:22:01, 2:22:04]: Forty four dollars and eleven cents. [2:22:04, 2:22:08]: It's a twelve thousand two hundred and twenty-four dollar difference. [2:22:10, 2:22:10]: Is that normal? [2:22:11, 2:22:19]: Because I'm I'm also looking at the other trends for the other months um for this year. It just seems like in September. [2:22:19, 2:22:22]: It really spiked up compared to [2:22:22, 2:22:24]: Um February of this year. [2:22:27, 2:22:28]: In September of this year. [2:22:30, 2:22:31]: Why is that? [2:22:33, 2:22:47]: Well, when you look at the tonnage, the tonnages, you got a lot of people at home during this pandemic. They're doing those house cleaning eye uh jobs that they couldn't do when they're working. So now they're at home, they're cleaning out stuff they had in their [2:22:47, 2:22:51]: in their garage or in their attic and so the ton is [2:22:51, 2:22:52]: has gone up. [2:22:53, 2:22:55]: And that's why the cost has gone up. [2:22:55, 2:22:56]: Okay. [2:22:57, 2:22:59]: So waste management is just passing the cost on to us. [2:23:01, 2:23:03]: Yes, ma'am. Cost [2:23:03, 2:23:05]: Associated with the disposal. [2:23:06, 2:23:06]: Okay. [2:23:08, 2:23:10]: Casmine Alex Cosmone Alexander. [2:23:10, 2:23:27]: Uh yeah, let me say this real clear. I'm sorry, but I've been promoting the fact that the city picks up vote for free. Okay, so people would know it and my my constituents are using it because it it is an advantage, and especially when I'm talking to communities about [2:23:27, 2:23:42]: uh coming into the neighborhood we have these people that's throwing stuff outside the road but i i i use it and i tell people that all the time listen don't call anybody else you can have the city pick it up and that's uh a a service through um [2:23:43, 2:23:51]: waste industries to get down what we've been uh what we've been doing. What it really comes down to me is why I made the motion is that [2:23:51, 2:23:53]: І the cost has to be picked up. [2:23:54, 2:24:03]: He's taking it from his fund he's taking it from his fund balance so the money is is there in order to take care of additional cost overruns and that kind of thing because [2:24:04, 2:24:09]: This type of situation is gonna happen. And then understanding, I totally agree that [2:24:09, 2:24:16]: This is the pandemic time. It's a time that we haven't seen before. And I know I don't cook, but I'm cooking now. So [2:24:17, 2:24:27]: Things are happening out here every day. I know just like today, today was trash day and many of my neighbors have picked up a second trash because they're at home all the time. [2:24:29, 2:24:37]: Okay. Oh no. Mayor Pro Tem, you were unmuted. Uh did you have something, sir? I'm I'm fine. Okay. Councilman Blount, go ahead, please. [2:24:37, 2:24:41]: Yeah, you know, I agree and th th the thing about it the [2:24:41, 2:24:49]: I I know the people at home and and they're gonna throw away more trash. I I I I understand that more it's gonna be more tonnage. [2:24:50, 2:24:59]: But I'm just saying for us is that when we pick we're we we pick up this bill and this like Casmin Alexander says, we pick up the tab for [2:24:59, 2:25:03]: More tonnage from our citizens to throw away trash. [2:25:04, 2:25:17]: Why don't we allow why don't we have something where they can actually do a trash delivery or something happens where if it's not that w when I first came to stop breeze, we was getting trash picked up twice a week. [2:25:17, 2:25:18]: Nice once a week. [2:25:19, 2:25:25]: And so and when there's special stuff to be me need to be picked up, they're saying that you have to call. [2:25:25, 2:25:33]: uh and have it picked up. But what about those residents that wanna want to drop it off somewhere? You know, get just get rid of the track. They may have projects going on. [2:25:33, 2:25:38]: That's the only thing about me. I would have to go outside the city limits of Stockbridge. [2:25:38, 2:25:41]: In order for that to happen. So if the tonnage is c accumulating. [2:25:42, 2:25:49]: We're footing the bill anyway, so why don't we just allow citizens to dump it off since we're footing the bill anyway? [2:25:50, 2:25:59]: A thousand pounds is a thousand pounds, but they pick it up at my house or I drop it off at the at the uh as a as a city or Stockbridge residence, I drop it off at the transfer station. [2:26:00, 2:26:02]: That's that that was my concern. [2:26:04, 2:26:24]: Okay. You know, it makes me think. I know uh Mr. Ernst said he didn't have he didn't doesn't have a copy of the contract and and uh the clerk mentioned it was signed in two thousand sixteen. I'm just thinking, I wonder whether or not the contract was specified one way to re whether one way or the other, whether or not uh residents could do such a thing or if you have to adjust that contract. [2:26:23, 2:26:32]: for that. I mean something to look into. So I would imagine that's a do out, uh Mr. Nighting to check that out and see whether or not what we can do with this. [2:26:33, 2:26:34]: I would imagine. [2:26:34, 2:26:35]: Yeah. [2:26:36, 2:26:52]: in this aspect so because I don't have the and I don't have the contract at my fingertips either. But uh point of just the point of information I suppose check into. Anything else from Mr. Aaron? We're we're still discussing this. The motion's been made and been seconded, but uh any anything further? [2:26:55, 2:26:59]: Okay, nothing further. All uh we're gonna take a vote then. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:27:00, 2:27:05]: All right. All posed? Well, Mr. Mayor Pro Tem, are you for or against? [2:27:09, 2:27:12]: I will assume Ms. Mayor Potem, you're forward. It makes a announced decision. [2:27:13, 2:27:13]: Okay. [2:27:13, 2:27:14]: Got it. [2:27:15, 2:27:15]: We'll move on. [2:27:17, 2:27:30]: All right, um council consideration to amend the water, sewer, sanitation, stormwater fee schedule effective nine November, which is actually today presented by Mr. Aaron, sir. Please go ahead. [2:27:30, 2:27:45]: Yes, Mr. Mayor, can you hear me now? Gotcha. So go ahead, please. Can you hear you? Okay, uh periodically we're gonna review our rates and we had a uh developer come in and uh they had built similar projects in I think either Hampton or McDonough. [2:27:45, 2:27:56]: And our fees on certain meter sizes were in excess of Hampton and McDonough. And we want to be competitive with them. We don't want to lose any potential developer. [2:27:57, 2:28:03]: over fees. So we just adjusting our fees to be more in line with what Hampton and McDonald charges. [2:28:04, 2:28:04]: Okay. [2:28:05, 2:28:08]: Questions for uh Ms. Darren, please. Counsel? [2:28:11, 2:28:17]: Okay, if there are no questions, I need a motion to accept this uh proposal to increase the fees. [2:28:19, 2:28:20]: Emotion at all? [2:28:23, 2:28:28]: Okay. Motion has been made by Councilman Barber. Is there a second? [2:28:29, 2:28:40]: Okay, I'll just clarification. I thought it said to decrease the fees to come in line. We want to reduce our fees to be in line with what McDonald's. Right. So I second. [2:28:41, 2:28:46]: Okay, Councilman, I was in a second. My mistake. Sorry about that. Any further discussion to make sure we got clarity then? [2:28:46, 2:28:48]: Okay, Castman Blount, go ahead. [2:28:49, 2:28:53]: Uh before I explain that you did say decrease, right? [2:28:53, 2:28:54]: Yes, sir. Okay, gotcha. [2:28:55, 2:28:56]: All right. [2:28:56, 2:29:03]: Uh councilwoman Gann, go ahead, please. No, no questions. I'm ready to vote. Okay. Well, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:29:04, 2:29:21]: All right, unanimously said. Okay, great. Excuse me. That was my my bag on that. Okay. Long fire. Yeah, council council consideration approve RFP uh number 2020-007P for 14 tractors and mowers. [2:29:21, 2:29:37]: Uh state of Georgia contract number uh 99999-001-spd zero zero zero zero one oh two in amount of uh$111,212.28. [2:29:37, 2:29:44]: uh funding source public works water and sewer department budgets. I don't see Ms. Miller here, but anyway, Mr. Aaron, please. [2:29:45, 2:29:55]: Yes, Mr. Mayor. This request is to uh formalize the purchase of equipment that was budgeted in the gener in the public works general maintenance budget, the water budget and the sewer budget. [2:29:56, 2:29:59]: We're just replacing more that have come to the end of their life cycle. [2:30:00, 2:30:03]: Okay. Questions for Mr. Aaron, Council? [2:30:03, 2:30:10]: Mr. Mayor Protendant Thomas, go ahead, sir. Uh Mr. Eric, um, I'm familiar with what you proposed at the retreat. [2:30:11, 2:30:13]: Uh I'm familiar with your budget. [2:30:13, 2:30:18]: Um, can you speak to how these new mores are in line with [2:30:19, 2:30:22]: Uh what you are proposing um in your [2:30:23, 2:30:27]: budget and you you know you and I had a conversation about [2:30:27, 2:30:31]: Um some of your projections. So can you speak to any of that? [2:30:31, 2:30:36]: Well, Count Mayor Pro Tem Thomas, this is to replace Morris that we currently have. [2:30:36, 2:30:45]: Anything that we buy in addition to this, it would be in 2021. And that depends on what council approves in the 2021 budget. [2:30:45, 2:31:05]: This is to replace moors that have come to the end of life cycle as of right now, like the water department has right-of-ways in areas they have to mow. They need a new moor. Sewer department has right-of-way and easements they have to mow. Their moors are over 10 years old. They're replacing those two moors. And general maintenance has moors right now that are in need of replacement. [2:31:05, 2:31:05]: But [2:31:06, 2:31:09]: This is to meet the current needs for the those departments. [2:31:10, 2:31:14]: Okay, so just just normal but no um [2:31:14, 2:31:17]: I was thinking that this may have been in line with um [2:31:17, 2:31:22]: With your projected goal going forward as far as what you have proposed. [2:31:23, 2:31:26]: uh in general maintenance. But you're just saying this is just [2:31:26, 2:31:28]: general way and time you just replace it. [2:31:29, 2:31:29]: Yes, sir. [2:31:31, 2:31:43]: All right, thank you. I use Captain Alexander, go ahead, please. Yeah, talk about this equipment and the application uh for the equipment, uh zero turns and that kind of thing, talk about that. [2:31:44, 2:32:03]: Yes, sir. Uh these are Kubota mowers, zero turn moors, and some are finishing mowers. They'll be used at our parks. They'll be used on our right-of-ways. And as as I mentioned earlier, they'll be used to mow the water plant, the wastewater plant, the water tanks, the wells, the lift stations, and the sewer right-aways that we have. [2:32:03, 2:32:05]: So this is what the equipment is used for. [2:32:06, 2:32:10]: And then uh trimmers to edge and all of that. [2:32:10, 2:32:20]: That comes out of small tools and equipment. So we buy those items as needed, but this is just replacing more that have come to the end of life cycle. [2:32:20, 2:32:37]: I think I just want to make sure you got what you need. And then we have Campbell supply right here uh in the city. So right here in uh Henry County. So yes, I just want to make sure you have what you need to not only cut but the edge and uh to manicure. [2:32:37, 2:32:42]: Yes, sir. We have that. We just trying to replace these mowers that it's difficult to find parts for. [2:32:43, 2:32:44]: And so [2:32:44, 2:32:46]: They've come to the end of life. [2:32:47, 2:32:56]: Ms. Nine, go ahead, sir. Ms. Nine. No, I I was just gonna say some of the finishing mowers probably have a more precise cut, some of the finishing mowers that you that he's gonna order. [2:32:57, 2:32:58]: Okay. [2:32:58, 2:32:59]: Councilman Blount, go ahead. [2:33:00, 2:33:07]: Yep. Uh Mr. Aaron, uh how do we how do we get uh the vendor that we're using to [2:33:08, 2:33:09]: Get these more from [2:33:10, 2:33:27]: whoever that is. But how do we how do we get rid of the the equipment that we have? Are we surplusing it? Well, uh one vendor, he's has a state contract. Uh some of these uh mowers have a value to them. We're surplusing and trading those in. They're giving us [2:33:28, 2:33:44]: a credit for some of the more that they can uh cannibalize for parts. So we're doing that as well to save, to realize the savings versus trying to put them on gov deal and they sit and wait for an extended period of time like some other equipment we have on site. [2:33:44, 2:33:48]: Well, follow up question then if we're using a vendor [2:33:48, 2:33:54]: that would take these on trade in, then how are we making this fair to other vendors to be able to get into uh [2:33:55, 2:33:56]: Well we [2:33:57, 2:34:06]: We put it out to three vendors, and this is the vendor that has the state contract, and they had the lowest price on the Moors as well as and gave us the best trade-in value. [2:34:06, 2:34:11]: So is this a vendor that we've we've used that we'll continue to use uh uh frequently? [2:34:11, 2:34:14]: Yes, we've used them. They're on state contract, yes sir. [2:34:15, 2:34:18]: So if so if we got bids in and this was the only bit [2:34:18, 2:34:22]: been been to the beer, we this is the only one we've been using anyway. Is that what you're saying? [2:34:22, 2:34:30]: No, sir. I'm just saying they they have the state contract and the state contract has vetted it out and submitted this out to numerous [2:34:30, 2:34:31]: vendors. [2:34:31, 2:34:33]: And this was the lowest bidder. [2:34:34, 2:34:35]: be at a state contract. [2:34:38, 2:34:40]: Council Woman Barber, please. [2:34:45, 2:34:54]: Mr. Aaron answered my question. Thank you. Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. Uh Mr Mr. Aaron, I'm gonna apologize now. I usually have uh my notes with me. [2:34:55, 2:34:57]: And I I do recall um [2:34:57, 2:35:01]: analyzing your budget, but let me ask you this. So [2:35:01, 2:35:06]: Um now you're going to do this now. So what what plans [2:35:06, 2:35:15]: In the 2021 budget for uh new more, new equipment. And I'm sort of going back to what you have proposed. [2:35:15, 2:35:18]: Um in twenty twenty one with the [2:35:18, 2:35:21]: uh additional workers [2:35:21, 2:35:23]: Uh but just I guess just a plain question. [2:35:24, 2:35:28]: Are you planning on buying new mores uh in your twenty twenty one budget? [2:35:29, 2:35:44]: We've budgeted for equipment and it might not be specifically moors, it could be some other things like weed eaters or another bush hog or anything like that. But until we get to twenty twenty one and the budget is finalized, then [2:35:45, 2:35:52]: I'm Lyrio trying to make purchases for something that has not been approved yet. So we're just making purchases for this current year. [2:35:52, 2:35:56]: Cause I do recall, um, just on top of my mind, um [2:35:57, 2:35:59]: A truck or something that you were proposing, but [2:36:00, 2:36:00]: Um [2:36:02, 2:36:06]: I I guess I can accept that answer. Um I'm I'm I'm I'm concerned. [2:36:07, 2:36:09]: uh about [2:36:09, 2:36:13]: What you have proposed uh for general maintenance. [2:36:13, 2:36:15]: You know, you you you spoke to [2:36:15, 2:36:24]: uh creating, you know, uh the zones and how many, you know, the new folks we were gonna put in these zones. So I was just trying to see [2:36:24, 2:36:43]: some of the equipment that may be needed. But I I could have this conversation with you off offline, but I was just trying to see where were we going with uh what you have proposed in 2021. I know you have asked for additional workers. Um just trying to just trying to get the full scope of where you're trying to go to make sure [2:36:43, 2:36:46]: That you are able to be successful. [2:36:46, 2:36:48]: And what you have projected for [2:36:48, 2:36:54]: um 2021, you know, the new zones and and the new folks that you you asked for. [2:36:56, 2:36:57]: But w you know, but if [2:36:58, 2:36:59]: Um [2:36:59, 2:37:01]: I'm just trying to get a picture of that. Now if you wanna [2:37:02, 2:37:06]: uh talk about that now or we can just talk about it later, but I do wanna understand [2:37:07, 2:37:10]: Um, you know, a little bit more of your uh projected [2:37:11, 2:37:14]: uh objectives for twenty twenty one and with the new [2:37:15, 2:37:17]: uh employees that you're requesting. [2:37:17, 2:37:21]: But we have time since the budget cycle is ongoing. I guess we have a little time to [2:37:22, 2:37:23]: To get into that. [2:37:24, 2:37:30]: Yes, sir. That will be finalized. Mr. Knight mentioned today he wanted to meet with me to discuss some additional things, but [2:37:30, 2:37:33]: I I'm just trying to get 2020. [2:37:34, 2:37:54]: projects done before we move into 2021 because I don't know what the final number is going to be on as new employees and I don't want to buy equipment saying I'm thinking it's going to be X number and then in the budget once everything is finalized it's less than that and then I got equipment sitting there that I purchased and I don't have anybody to use. [2:37:54, 2:37:56]: So I wanna be [2:37:57, 2:37:58]: Uh [2:37:58, 2:38:08]: frugal with the city's money and I want to make sure that we're doing things decently and in order and I don't want to get ahead of myself to make purchases until everything is approved. [2:38:08, 2:38:11]: I agree. Thank you. I yield back, Mr. Mayor. [2:38:11, 2:38:15]: All right. Any uh any other questions, counsel from Mr. Aaron? [2:38:16, 2:38:20]: Okay, if not, then I need a motion to accept his proposal. Is there a motion? [2:38:23, 2:38:26]: So all right, good deals. There's second. [2:38:26, 2:38:27]: Second was where? [2:38:28, 2:38:29]: Can't [2:38:29, 2:38:30]: Yeah, okay. Thank you. [2:38:31, 2:38:32]: Ms. Gandhi, any further discussion? [2:38:33, 2:38:34]: If not, all in favor, please indicate. [2:38:36, 2:38:36]: Okay. [2:38:37, 2:38:39]: Fantastic. Announced decision. Great. [2:38:39, 2:38:42]: Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mayor and Count. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. [2:38:43, 2:38:47]: Council consideration to approve the city's twenty twenty one holiday calendar. [2:38:47, 2:38:49]: Miss Wheeler, please. [2:38:52, 2:38:54]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. [2:38:55, 2:38:59]: Um what you have before you is the twenty twenty one holiday schedule. [2:38:59, 2:39:01]: Um for uh [2:39:02, 2:39:03]: For next year. [2:39:03, 2:39:07]: Uh, with the added holiday that you approved at the last work session. [2:39:08, 2:39:09]: But um [2:39:12, 2:39:14]: So G G refer to [2:39:14, 2:39:17]: Uh referring to Juneteenth. [2:39:17, 2:39:18]: Right. Okay. [2:39:21, 2:39:24]: Okay, any questions for um Ms. Wheeler, Council? [2:39:26, 2:39:29]: If not, I'd need a motion to accept a holiday schedule. I'm mayor pro town. [2:39:30, 2:39:31]: So move. [2:39:31, 2:39:32]: There's a second. A second. [2:39:33, 2:39:35]: Mr. Second had any further discussion? [2:39:36, 2:39:39]: If not all in favor of the holiday schedule, please indicate. [2:39:41, 2:39:46]: Okay, so you like to use unanimous as well. Okay, fantastic. Thank you, Miss uh Willow for waiting all this time. [2:39:46, 2:39:48]: Well, thank you. Welcome. [2:39:48, 2:40:08]: Next thing deals with a city event. We added this to the agenda, deals with the use of Merrill Manors for a turkey drive-by giveaway on Saturday, the 21st of November, 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. This is going to involve uh well over 200 turkeys that have been donated uh to the city to give. [2:40:08, 2:40:28]: To citizens that will line up in a drive-through, along with another uh food pantry that's very that we're very familiar with in the downtown area, feeding God's people. And then uh you have the members of Alpha Alpha Fraternity Incorporated here in the local Henry County chapter that has had a drive, um a can. [2:40:28, 2:40:48]: And food drive recently, and they collected close to 10,000 cans of food cans to be part of the distribution process and be in line to give the community uh cans that they have that have been donated to them as well. We're looking to have uh also the public health department, believe it or not. [2:40:48, 2:41:08]: Is committed to give free flu shots to the citizens that need it. And then we have some other another healthcare agency or what do you call a medical insurance company that plans to be on site to give anybody any type of information? [2:41:08, 2:41:28]: information they need for any type of medical insurance uh aspect that they may need. Uh this is all part of a um an effort that uh hopefully we the city will join in with some uh public agencies uh in the area to help uh do a good thing for our citizens so just need the uh approval of the the use of the outs outdoor use [2:41:28, 2:41:39]: use of course of the of the Merl manners itself and have drive by. Uh yes, Mr. Mr. Blount, please go ahead. I'm motioned to move to approve the outside use of the Merrill manners for the um [2:41:40, 2:41:46]: Twenty first of uh November. Okay, thank you. Second, Miss Gand, thank you. Miss Barber, you had a a question then? [2:41:47, 2:41:49]: Yes. Is this first come, first serve? [2:41:50, 2:42:10]: Well, we we have to announce it once it's approved, we just have to announce it and people have to get in line. So I mean, for a three hour period. So I imagine yes, you have to get in line. And and by the way, I would have to I'm going to have to coordinate not only through Mr. Knighton with the public works department for setting up the cones, that is, and also I have some police officers pay for police officers to be on site to handle [2:42:09, 2:42:15]: through um any of the uh traffic control in this aspect as well. Okay, uh Ms. Scant, please. [2:42:16, 2:42:20]: Yes, I'd I would also like for us to have a station [2:42:21, 2:42:25]: set up somewhere when the cars get there so that we can [2:42:25, 2:42:31]: provide these for our citizens. So I would like for us to maybe have some kind of ID. [2:42:32, 2:42:34]: Something showing that you're a citizen of Stockbridge? [2:42:35, 2:42:37]: Is that possible or is that not a [2:42:38, 2:42:58]: Well, I know I'm not I'm not well first thing that comes to my mind is that you know you have a driver's license. I would imagine the driver's license would indicate that you're a Stockbridge resident. I suppose I don't know of any other ID situation we have. I mean, and that I just thought about something too. I I think Mr. Knight, you mentioned potentially, and I forgot about this, that you may want to set up a station to give out protection. [2:42:57, 2:43:05]: The mask, um excuse me, not protect the mask, the actual uh wearing the mask or even hand sanitized potentially also. [2:43:05, 2:43:07]: Uh, to issue that out to people as well. [2:43:08, 2:43:13]: I don't know, uh back to you, Miss Gan, I don't know what type of ID system we would have, even when we [2:43:13, 2:43:29]: had the uh the events when it came to um the two events we had in reference to mass or sanitizer we advertised it for our citizens and there are people obviously citizens that came through it may very well have been citizens that did not live in the immediate area that came through as well so I don't know how we can identify that. [2:43:29, 2:43:32]: Um at least I'm not sure how we can do that, but [2:43:32, 2:43:33]: Maybe [2:43:33, 2:43:35]: Yeah, I just not sure how we can do that. [2:43:36, 2:43:43]: Okay, Mr. Alexander, I think your hand was next, sir. Yeah, it's not need needs based, is it? I mean just anybody can come through, right? [2:43:44, 2:44:04]: Well, the intent was to have a the this drive by for the citizens of Stockbridge. We have a I mean, you w for the citizens of Stockbridge, okay, you know, whoever gets in line, but the point of it is is I I wasn't sure how you go about checking well do you live in the city limits or not. I mean, I don't I I I wasn't thinking that we'll do that. I mean, I just wouldn't come across my mind. Okay. [2:44:03, 2:44:10]: No, my question was that this is not needs based, it's just any soft rich citizen can come by. It's not right. [2:44:11, 2:44:19]: Right. Yeah, be get right. Get in line and and come by and we'll try to make it safe as make it safe as possible. One second, Mayor Pro Tem Thomas, you are next, sir. [2:44:19, 2:44:23]: Well that that was my concern as Mrs. Gantt uh stated now. [2:44:24, 2:44:26]: Two hundred turkeys. [2:44:26, 2:44:31]: You're only talking about thirty minutes. Once you advertise once you advertise this. [2:44:31, 2:44:32]: Um [2:44:32, 2:44:42]: I mean folks don't be in line for hours waiting, thinking that when they get there, they're gonna be a turkey. Two hundred turkeys are only gonna last you about thirty minutes if that. So [2:44:42, 2:44:52]: Let's be cautious of uh folk being a little frustrated. I don't know how you could do it as far as ensuring that uh stock rich citizens get it or the needy. I don't know, but um [2:44:53, 2:45:13]: Let's not build in any any any frustration for citizens. In all actuality, there's actually a little more than two hundred. It's probably closer to three hundred actually. Uh it's two hundred coming from one particular uh a group of gentlemen, business owners that donated it and another hundred elsewhere uh involving with the uh God's food pantry. So it's really more than two hundred, but but it's gotta be a first come, first serve babies. I I mean I'm [2:45:13, 2:45:33]: more i'm open if you want how to how to justify one turkey per car yeah yes sir yes it'd have to be that it'd have to be well rather than 30 minutes let's say uh 45 minutes then well i mean there's other there's well there'll there'll be other food there's plenty of canned food there's other other things that will be there as well i mean there's other food to [2:45:33, 2:45:53]: be issued out to people but I mean I I don't know how else to do that but I've I'm open to ideas suggestions. Mr. Would that be a box? Would that be a box with the turkey and the canned goods in one box? Uh the canned goods will be in a canned goods would come in a bag. The turkey, as far as I understand, would be uh it's just it's a frozen turkey. So as far as I know understand it'll be handed to them. [2:45:52, 2:45:55]: I don't think it'll be any box or a bag that I know of. [2:45:55, 2:45:57]: Last question. So I guess my point is [2:45:58, 2:46:04]: Will there be one box per car with the turkey and the canned goods? [2:46:04, 2:46:15]: Uh the answer is no. You're gonna get you're gonna get a box of food uh from one location, you're gonna get get a a bag of uh of canned goods at another location, and you're gonna get the turkey at the very end. [2:46:15, 2:46:16]: Okay, gotcha. [2:46:16, 2:46:18]: All right. And then in between that [2:46:18, 2:46:21]: Uh if if we have something with the city for Indy Mask or um [2:46:22, 2:46:33]: any any maps or hand sanitizers or information about COVID nineteen, that'll be placed in there somewhere as well. There'd be two should be two lines. There'd be two lines of people drive down as simultaneously to uh [2:46:33, 2:46:36]: to uh to receive these uh these items. [2:46:36, 2:46:38]: Uh Councilman Blount. [2:46:39, 2:46:42]: Yeah, Mayor, uh I don't know how you set up a uh [2:46:42, 2:46:58]: But if if we can condense it to one area, it would be good. I mean, if if we have to order boxes ourselves, the city order boxes, uh, then have people go to three different location three different stations. Uh also and I and I agree it, you know, it should be first come, first served because [2:46:59, 2:47:06]: You know, we don't know the need of you know, we we won't we would like for our citizens to know and that we're the citizens stop being sponsoring them, but [2:47:07, 2:47:07]: You know [2:47:08, 2:47:14]: Food, you know, food is food and you know, people in need um we hopefully everybody in need comes in coming to get it. So [2:47:14, 2:47:17]: You know, I I'm okay with that, but I just f for us. [2:47:18, 2:47:38]: them having to drive through three different stations. You know, three different stations. Let me explain, sir. You don't have to drive. You you did you you go they they will go in a straight line and there'd be different different stages of along the straight line. On that straight line you get a turkey head and then gotcha. Yeah. They just they just come down to get validated, come down, get in line. It's two [2:47:38, 2:47:53]: Different lines and they'll come down a straight line right there at Merle Manors and there'll be stations along the line. They have to just drive on out, drive one way, and they just move down and get loaded with additional food as they continue down the line. We're talking about four stations then because probably four stations, yes, sir. Probably four stations. [2:47:54, 2:48:01]: I think I it would be four. Yeah, actually it would be four. You're talking about and if they no, let me mention this. And if they wanted [2:48:01, 2:48:03]: Now if they wanted a flu shot. [2:48:03, 2:48:12]: Then what happened once they finish getting the station with the all the food, then they have to divert to the to the flu shot, a different location in the parking lot. Now parking lot's big enough to handle all this. [2:48:13, 2:48:23]: Okay. If they wanted a flu shot, a free one, that is. And that uh and that uh that won that'll probably won't last very long because there's be less than a be a hundred or less flu shots that the free flu shots. [2:48:23, 2:48:25]: That the public health department would be issue out. [2:48:25, 2:48:26]: Okay. [2:48:26, 2:48:29]: Can we uh just one one more quick follow up? [2:48:29, 2:48:32]: Ки кенви сета [2:48:33, 2:48:37]: down in the parking lot and had on the drive because it it really backs up. [2:48:37, 2:48:40]: If we can set down further down into the parking lot. [2:48:41, 2:48:45]: Instead of up out of the awnings, maybe get some tips or something out there because it [2:48:46, 2:48:50]: Setting up right there really backs things way up. [2:48:50, 2:48:59]: Well actually the actually the line is not gonna be underneath the awnings. The line is going to be the road uh it's going to be the actual uh road right between the um [2:48:59, 2:49:18]: the awning and um bur not burke street what is that i forgot the name of the road on burke street what's the right front of it davis davis davis davis street davis street there you go davis yeah but i'm saying i just whatever we can do to relieve that that because you still have business open on sun uh saturdays uh uh over there [2:49:19, 2:49:21]: Okay. Last time we [2:49:21, 2:49:27]: That's kind of where that's where the the police officers will come in handy to help us with that as well. But okay, we'll see how we can adjust that. [2:49:27, 2:49:35]: Yeah, if we can get a notice out to the businesses cause uh that's open on Saturdays, cause uh when we had an event before. [2:49:35, 2:49:40]: They was like, why didn't they get a notice that the street gonna be backed up uh like that? Because uh [2:49:41, 2:49:49]: uh supplies they had supplies coming in and people couldn't get down in there so we can notify Mr. Knighton if we s had somewhere we could just notify the [2:49:49, 2:49:52]: businesses on that strip that that day we're gonna be [2:49:53, 2:50:13]: Right. Okay. Mr. Knight, I'm obviously I need to sit down with you and talk about some of those logistical things because it's going to involve the public works. I know Mr. Aaron's still there, some public works and overtime. So how I how I need to go ahead and make sure I I fund that for them as well, along with the police officers. I'm gonna work out those things with you as well as as we get closer to that event. [2:50:13, 2:50:15]: In this aspect. Miss Gan, I think you have something on your mind. [2:50:16, 2:50:16]: No? [2:50:17, 2:50:29]: Okay, you're good. Ms. Memor Tim Thomas, you're unmuted. You have something to say? I'm good. All right. So if there if there's no other uh I think the motion motion was made by Councilman Blount and seconded by Ms. Gann, I believe. [2:50:29, 2:50:33]: Is that right? So if there are no further questions, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:50:34, 2:50:43]: Fantastic. Appreciate it, Council. It'd be a great activity for the for the city and for our citizens. Um, right now it's my comments here. Uh obviously, um [2:50:44, 2:51:02]: As you as you well know and you've been listening to the listen to the news. Mr. Mayor, there there's a uh a path item that's jumping the gun. All right, excuse me. That's right. Discussion. Uh council discussion for the path foundation master agreement presented by Mr. Knight. I'm sorry about that. Absolutely. Go ahead, please. [2:51:03, 2:51:07]: Yes, mayor and council, what you have is a um [2:51:08, 2:51:12]: framework of a uh potential agreement that could be used. [2:51:12, 2:51:20]: Um, that uh for the Path Foundation. The Path Foundation is an organization that I believe it's been around since about 1991 or so. [2:51:20, 2:51:29]: And has partnered with various entities for uh path construction design development and so forth. [2:51:29, 2:51:36]: Um they have uh completed a number of different trails throughout the uh Metro Atlanta region. [2:51:36, 2:51:41]: And um we've had some conversations with them and some of the council members were familiar with them. [2:51:42, 2:51:52]: uh had some counts had some uh conversations and discussions with them, obviously discussed with them the master trail plan that we have uh was approved in twenty seventeen. [2:51:53, 2:51:58]: As well as some recent um grant opportunities that we have pursued as it relates to trails. [2:51:58, 2:52:00]: Um in the city of Stockbridge. [2:52:01, 2:52:04]: This particular um proposed agreement. [2:52:05, 2:52:13]: Um would provide opportunities for partnership if the council so chooses on specific projects related to trails. [2:52:13, 2:52:19]: Those particular projects in order those particular projects will be brought before the council. [2:52:19, 2:52:24]: uh with specificity and details of the uh particular project itself. [2:52:24, 2:52:29]: And the arrangement that could potentially be developed with the Path Foundation for them to provide. [2:52:30, 2:52:36]: and leverage their resources to assist the uh city with again uh path to uh trail development. [2:52:37, 2:52:39]: Um grants and so forth. [2:52:40, 2:52:43]: So the proposed agreement here or [2:52:43, 2:52:45]: Would not uh commit the [2:52:46, 2:52:50]: uh counsel to any expenditure funds at this point. [2:52:50, 2:52:58]: Um, in the future, if the council decided to enter into an agreement with the PATH Foundation on a specific project. [2:52:58, 2:53:03]: At that point it would be brought before you to provide a a level of approval. [2:53:03, 2:53:09]: um in terms of uh the arrangement um with the path foundation. [2:53:10, 2:53:20]: I would also uh defer to Mr. Williams if he has any questions regarding some uh particulars of the uh proposed uh master agreement here. [2:53:25, 2:53:31]: Um Mr. Mayor, I don't really have any questions. It's it just in terms of the framework, just to be clear that this [2:53:32, 2:53:38]: agreement if the council approves entering into it just uh is just that it's a framework. [2:53:38, 2:53:44]: within which you would utilize the services of the Path Foundation to assist in [2:53:45, 2:53:47]: The design uh the uh [2:53:48, 2:53:52]: the acquisition of of uh right of way and and and uh [2:53:52, 2:53:54]: Real estate related to trails. [2:53:55, 2:54:15]: as well as just, you know, being able to access their overall expertise, um, which, you know, we while we have, you know, lots of very bright people here at the city of Stockbridge, we don't have path experts, trail experts. And and that's what you would be getting if you were to link up with the Path Foundation. And so [2:54:15, 2:54:30]: So and that's all this is. There's no uh upfront commitment. What would happen is as you identify specific segments of the trails that you want to focus on, a specific project agreement would be put in place. [2:54:30, 2:54:36]: for that segment and and an estimate of the cost of of the path foundation services. [2:54:37, 2:54:41]: Would be assigned to that agreement. And so you would know generally up front how much. [2:54:42, 2:54:47]: that project would would cost the city. And so that that's the way this is set up. [2:54:48, 2:54:48]: Okay. [2:54:49, 2:54:51]: Thank you. Councilman Alzheimer's go ahead, please. [2:54:54, 2:54:59]: Unmute yourself, sir. And thank you so much. I I'll I'll get that worked out by the end of the night, I think. [2:55:00, 2:55:10]: Okay. Thank you so much, Mr. Knighton and Mr. Williams. First of all, I wanna uh hopefully this is something that is just a win-win for all of us, ladies and gentlemen. [2:55:10, 2:55:16]: First of all, Henry County has had uh this same arrangement with the Path Foundation for years. [2:55:17, 2:55:18]: It is how um [2:55:18, 2:55:22]: Henry County was able to bring the Panola Mountain Trail. [2:55:23, 2:55:38]: uh into Henry County over Highway 155. If you've driven down uh over Highway 155 past Fairview Road, you've seen that beautiful pedestrian bridge uh that they've constructed. They build 12 foot wide trails. [2:55:38, 2:55:48]: The trail network is 33 mile, 33 plus miles long. It goes all the way out to Stonecrest, Lythonia, and Conyers. [2:55:48, 2:55:54]: The intent, uh their main focus is they want a uh a Metro Atlanta wide trail network. [2:55:55, 2:55:59]: throughout uh Henry County, including Henry County and Stockbridge. [2:55:59, 2:56:06]: They are the preeminent authority. There is their former executive director, uh Ed McBrayer. You can almost say he wrote the book. [2:56:07, 2:56:12]: Uh for trails in America. They built 300 plus miles in multi use trails. [2:56:13, 2:56:16]: They built the entire silver comment trail. [2:56:16, 2:56:19]: From Cog County all the way to the Alabama line. [2:56:19, 2:56:22]: They have built uh the Stone Mountain Trail. [2:56:23, 2:56:24]: Uh, they built the um [2:56:25, 2:56:33]: Just numerous other trails in the area, and they know what they're doing. Now, if you drive down I-85. [2:56:34, 2:56:41]: You will see a brand new pedestrian bridge that's when you get to Noonan that stretches from one side. [2:56:42, 2:56:49]: Of I eighty five all the way over to the other side. It has Noonan on it. Imagine if the city of Stockbridge could have a similar bridge. [2:56:50, 2:56:52]: Through working with the Path Foundation, we can. [2:56:52, 2:56:55]: Надо бриксперт из табо. [2:56:56, 2:56:56]: But they bring [2:56:57, 2:57:00]: uh assistance in uh obtaining grant funding. [2:57:00, 2:57:13]: With the Henry County Panola Mountain Greenway project they put in, they helped secure over a million dollars. Without their participation, there would be no Panola Mountain Trail coming into Henry County. [2:57:13, 2:57:17]: uh this agreement as as Mr. Williams uh has laid out. [2:57:17, 2:57:19]: Would not cost us anything up front. [2:57:19, 2:57:24]: What they do, they'll come, they'll review the master trail plan that we did. [2:57:24, 2:57:36]: to secure to make sure that uh we're you we can use best practices and and their expertise uh with their engineers and uh Jonathan McCraig who d who completed [2:57:37, 2:57:51]: the master trail who who completed the projects that they're work over at um Panola Mountain and he's actually completing the project uh through the Panola Mountain Greenway over to the library over Fairview Road. [2:57:51, 2:57:53]: This uh particular endeavor. [2:57:53, 2:57:55]: is something that would help us out. [2:57:55, 2:57:58]: Because as as Cura pursues grants. [2:57:58, 2:57:59]: Day [2:57:59, 2:58:10]: When they make it's almost like this. I mean, when when you go to the Atlanta Regional Commission or you go to any other entity and the PAF Foundation puts their stamp on it. [2:58:10, 2:58:22]: You know, it just it it there's no there's no there's more no better approval that you can get for your project than to have theirs over there. And again, if you drive down I eighty five. [2:58:23, 2:58:29]: Imagine what that would be like. And that's the possibilities of what they can do for us working with us. [2:58:30, 2:58:41]: Going down I-85, seeing a bridge with Noonan on it. How great would that be if you could drive through the city of Stockbridge and you could see, I mean, down I-75 and see a Stock Bridge sign. [2:58:41, 2:58:55]: And the one thing that you have to understand, Mr. Knighton said, and I think Mr. Knighton, you were on the call with Greta, Greta, who's the new executive director, the Fab Foundation does not just build sidewalks next next next to the street. [2:58:55, 2:58:56]: What they do. [2:58:57, 2:58:59]: Is they create linear parks. [2:59:00, 2:59:03]: Right now, Mr. Knighton, you said we had [2:59:03, 2:59:23]: What,$2 million in splash funding coming toward parks and recreation? Well, what this trail area is literally is a straight line park because they don't build the trails uh out uh necessarily along the streetway. They take them through the forestry, through a scenic area. [2:59:23, 2:59:34]: So it is literally a straight line park. So they do qualify to use those funds, those FLOSS funds for that area that we have marked aside for the parks. [2:59:34, 2:59:35]: The idea [2:59:36, 2:59:38]: Yes, trust and believe, okay. [2:59:38, 2:59:45]: And I say and I put my credibility on the line, okay? There's cities all over Metro Atlanta lined up. [2:59:46, 2:59:48]: to get this agreement with the FAF Foundation. [2:59:49, 2:59:57]: We got to the top of the list because of uh a lot of work that has been done. I helped work on the Panola Mountain Greenway to come into Henry County. [2:59:57, 3:00:02]: And then uh Kelly Jordan, who sits on the Arabia Mountain Heritage Board. [3:00:03, 3:00:07]: Uh, where I serve as a member since twenty sixteen for the Henry County. [3:00:07, 3:00:08]: Area [3:00:08, 3:00:10]: They appreciated the work. [3:00:11, 3:00:14]: That was being put in and the work behind the scenes and the coordination. [3:00:15, 3:00:19]: That I was able to work with Henry County in order to get this project moved forward. [3:00:19, 3:00:22]: When it has stalled, I can't tell you how many times. [3:00:22, 3:00:23]: But [3:00:23, 3:00:26]: Ін ес, а wholeheartedly support it. [3:00:26, 3:00:27]: And as I say [3:00:28, 3:00:31]: Uh, we should we pass on this particular opportunity? [3:00:31, 3:00:41]: There's uh there's twenty other cities lined up to take this opportunity, which it comes to no charge to us. So I certainly would like to move forward with it. Thank you. [3:00:41, 3:00:45]: No problem. Any other comments from the council? Uh Mayor Pro Tem Thomas? [3:00:46, 3:00:47]: You're muted, sir. [3:00:50, 3:00:55]: I'd like to move to to agree to the uh agreement with the Pass Foundation. [3:00:55, 3:00:56]: Is there a second? [3:00:57, 3:01:08]: My second. Councilwoman Barber sec is that okay, good deal. Any further discussion? If not, everybody well need need to indicate if you're uh approval of this motion. [3:01:09, 3:01:16]: Okay, is there approval? Okay, unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Okay, now I'll get into my comments. [3:01:16, 3:01:36]: As you well know, uh in the last several weeks, uh, in a sense, it's been indicated on local news as well as uh national news that uh the amount of cases for COVID-19 has increased. And of course, there's a concern about the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday and Christmas holidays that uh we gotta be [3:01:36, 3:01:39]: very careful and mindful of this because we speculate that this will also [3:01:39, 3:01:41]: uh escalate in the amount of cases. [3:01:42, 3:01:47]: But there is a bit of good news that came out today earlier, obviously, in reference to uh Pfizer saying they had a [3:01:47, 3:01:50]: A particular uh vaccination vaccine. [3:01:50, 3:01:53]: That seems to be gonna seem to be very helpful. Now we gotta realize [3:01:54, 3:01:58]: that uh once a vac any vaccine cu a vaccination that comes out. [3:01:58, 3:02:18]: it it's gonna once it's approved, right? Um it's gonna eventually go to the most the people that are sickly or have the underlying type of diseases first, then probably to the um the first line uh workers, police officers, nurses, doctors, things of that nature, and then to the general public. But then again, this is a worldwide p uh pandemic. So [3:02:18, 3:02:38]: It might be taken for several months before other folks, like most of us, would be able to even issue or be able to get a vaccination. But anyway, on that note, the public health department is still giving a free COVID-19 testing. So you call number 800-847-4262. 800-847-4262. [3:02:38, 3:02:56]: set up an appointment you can go to heritage uh senior center 1050 florence mcariety parkway to to actually get your free covet 19 test this week monday to friday 9 a.m to 2 p.m 9 a.m to 2 p.m this week starting next week though [3:02:56, 3:03:03]: at the Florence C uh the uh Heritage Senior Center. The time is gonna be Monday to Friday, ten AM to three PM. [3:03:03, 3:03:23]: 10 a.m. two excuse me 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. And chances are these these time frames are gonna last the entire winter uh months. Okay, so 10 a.m. three p.m. So please uh get out there and get those particular attests. Happy veterans day to veterans, and I'm a veteran myself, and so we have the city's gonna have a uh special celebration on uh [3:03:23, 3:03:32]: Veterans Day, I guess a Facebook Live type celebration on Veterans Day for all those veterans out there. So please log into that and then check out that particular activity. [3:03:32, 3:03:39]: And uh mentioned earlier in passing, but Thanksgiving's coming. So enjoy Thanksgiving and with your family and friends, but be safe in the process of that. [3:03:40, 3:04:00]: I also want to say congratulations to all the individuals, whether incumbents or new elected officials across the county and across the state. Far too many for me to acknowledge individually, but congratulations to them and hopefully they'll do a great job in serving the communities in this aspect. And also want to say congratulations. [3:04:00, 3:04:03]: is of course to our president elect Joseph Baida Biden. [3:04:03, 3:04:23]: and for the and the vice president elect uh uh camel harris and and and looking forward to uh them leading the country for the next four years in this aspect. Um now you realize folks that uh this Georgia is definitely on the spotlight here with the election results but also now the fact that we have two center [3:04:23, 3:04:40]: US senator races that are in the runoff. And so obviously we're gonna the state of Georgia's getting a lot of attention uh in reference to this. And this is the results of this runoff is going to control the US Senate for at least uh next couple of years. [3:04:40, 3:05:00]: So anyway, believe it or not, if you're not a registered voter yet, you still have an opportunity to become a registered voter. It's your constitutional right to vote. And so voter registration deadline for the runoff, which is going to be January 5th, actually actually begins. Let's see, let's see here. It starts on the 7th of December. Believe it, the 7th of December voter registration. [3:05:00, 3:05:11]: registration, excuse me, vote registration deadline is is is December 7th. So if you you can still go and register to vote now for this runoff. So December 7th is when the registration cuts off. [3:05:12, 3:05:32]: And early voting uh for this runoff election uh starts on the 14th of December. And of course, the first of uh January is the last day of early voting. And then four of course on the 5th of January, you're gonna have the actual um Senate uh races and the actual election. So what you have, you have incumbent uh David Purdue. [3:05:32, 3:05:40]: A Republican and his opponent would be John Ossoff, a Democrat. That's for one race, and then the other, that's for a six year term. [3:05:40, 3:06:00]: And then in the other race, you have incumbent uh Kelly Leffler, which is a Republican, uh up against uh Raphael Warnock, and that's actually for a two-year term to finish out uh the previous senator's uh um term is in itself. So it's important to to actually get out and and vote. It's your constitutional right and it's a [3:06:00, 3:06:06]: best way actually citizens are in charge. So you just need to make sure that uh you do that in that aspect as well. [3:06:08, 3:06:18]: On that, that is actually my uh those last type of uh comments at this point. Uh I'd like to now go into uh upcoming events and announcements. [3:06:18, 3:06:38]: Um the Main Street Advisory Board meeting is Friday, November 13th at 9 a.m. by Zoom. Um Councilman Barber has a community drug uh blood drive Saturday, 14 November, 10 to 4 p.m. at Ted Strickland Community Center. So any further information about that, uh you can call Ms. Pearson at 404. [3:06:38, 3:06:58]: 565-5109. The Downtown Development Authority meeting is Tuesday, November 17th to 6 p.m. Of course, by Zoom. Uh Council Advisory meeting is Tuesday, November 17th, 6:30 by Zoom. The Planning Commission meeting is Thursday, November 19th, 6:30 by Zoom. Our next council meeting, um [3:06:58, 3:07:18]: Right before Thanksgiving is Tuesday, November 24th, 6 p.m. by Zoom. And our city council meeting in December is Monday, December 14th, 6 p.m. by Zoom. Upcoming public hearings. The public hearing planning for the planning commission is Thursday, November 19th at 6:30 by Zoom. The public hearing for our second reading. [3:07:18, 3:07:38]: Of our proposed FY 2021 operating budget is Tuesday, November 24th at 6 p.m. by Zoom. The public hearing for the adoption of the proposed FY 2021 operating budget is Monday, December 14th, 6 p.m. by Zoom. And then it will also be a public hearing for rezoning case number. [3:07:38, 3:07:53]: RZ 2020-02, Monday, December 14th at 6 p.m. by Zoom. So that's all the upcoming public hearings. On that note, Mr. Williams, do we have anything for executive session? [3:07:55, 3:07:56]: Mr. Mayor? [3:07:57, 3:08:00]: Uh yeah, okay, Sam standby, Miss Wins. I guess Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, sir. [3:08:01, 3:08:03]: I move that we'll join. [3:08:04, 3:08:05]: Okay. [3:08:05, 3:08:06]: All right. [3:08:06, 3:08:07]: Is there a second to that? [3:08:08, 3:08:09]: Matt Castman Blount, you second that? [3:08:10, 3:08:18]: No, I'm not second. I d I thought that we needed to go into the executive session. Well, that's what I was asking, but the but the mayor potem just made a motion. So I think that's a [3:08:19, 3:08:35]: Councilman Alexander seconds. I think that trumps what I was gonna ask the the whether I'm going to second session. I believe that by by and I think that trumps everything on that aspect. So on that note, there's no discussion on this. So on that note a motion has been made to adjourn and second it. So all in favor, please indicate. [3:08:37, 3:08:39]: Okay, I'll pose. [3:08:42, 3:08:56]: Okay. Okay, I got you. Uh Miss Gantt, you are you're saying that I don't know what we I didn't speak to the attorney, so I don't know. It's three one one. The meeting stands adjourned. I'm sorry about that. God bless you. No exactly session tonight. [3:08:57, 3:08:58]: Good night. Good night. [3:08:59, 3:08:59]: Good night. [3:09:02, 3:09:03]: Appreciate you, yeah. [3:09:04, 3:09:05]: No problem. Thank you.

--- title: October 12 2020 City Council Meeting date: 2020-10-12 source: 2020-10-12_October_12_2020_City_Council_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:03]: But uh give it about thirty seconds so he'll be ready to go. [0:00:04, 0:00:22]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to uh since recording now. So I have 602. So let's uh call the meeting to order. This is our council meeting for 12th of October 2020. And uh on that note, uh Ms. Gantt, are you able to give the invocation, please? [0:00:25, 0:00:26]: Yes, I am. [0:00:26, 0:00:28]: Please do. Thank you. Thank you. [0:00:29, 0:00:30]: Let's bow our heads. [0:00:31, 0:00:38]: Father, we come to you today and we thank you for your grace and your mercy and the blessings that you have given us. [0:00:39, 0:00:40]: We ask that you [0:00:41, 0:00:43]: Pray for our leaders in our city. [0:00:44, 0:00:47]: In our throughout our community, our county and our nation. [0:00:48, 0:00:58]: We ask that you pray for our citizens and all those that are having to deal with their loved ones or someone that is going through this time with this pandemic. [0:00:59, 0:01:00]: We ask that you pray for our children. [0:01:01, 0:01:04]: While they learn new methods. [0:01:04, 0:01:07]: of uh during this pandemic. [0:01:07, 0:01:11]: virtually or whether they are in the school system. [0:01:12, 0:01:18]: We thank you for all the blessings. We thank thank you for everything you have done for us and we know. [0:01:18, 0:01:19]: That we cannot do [0:01:20, 0:01:21]: Anything. [0:01:22, 0:01:23]: Without you. [0:01:24, 0:01:26]: In our in our name we pray. A in your name we pray. Amen. [0:01:27, 0:01:27]: Amen. [0:01:28, 0:01:30]: Can everybody please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, please? [0:01:35, 0:01:42]: I pledge allegiance to the flag. If you know it's taken to America and to Republic. [0:01:42, 0:01:43]: One. [0:01:43, 0:01:44]: Honor God. [0:01:45, 0:01:48]: It is a bit small. [0:01:50, 0:01:51]: Thank you, Council. [0:01:52, 0:01:53]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:01:56, 0:01:57]: Report. [0:01:57, 0:01:58]: Is it? [0:01:59, 0:02:00]: Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. [0:02:05, 0:02:07]: We see me approach him Thomas, okay. [0:02:07, 0:02:09]: I had to get off. Councilman Alexander. [0:02:10, 0:02:10]: Present. [0:02:12, 0:02:14]: Councilwoman Barber. [0:02:14, 0:02:15]: Present. [0:02:15, 0:02:17]: Councilman Blount. [0:02:17, 0:02:17]: Present. [0:02:18, 0:02:19]: And Councilwoman Gantt. [0:02:20, 0:02:20]: Present. [0:02:21, 0:02:22]: Mayor Ford, do you have a quorum? [0:02:22, 0:02:24]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate it. [0:02:24, 0:02:28]: Council, I need a motion to approve the agenda, please. Mayor. [0:02:28, 0:02:28]: Yes, ma'am. [0:02:29, 0:02:35]: I move that we amend the agenda to remove items number seven and eight. [0:02:35, 0:02:40]: And that we go into executive session to discuss the D DA and development authority. [0:02:41, 0:02:43]: Number ten and eleven. [0:02:44, 0:02:48]: Uh okay. Well we'll yes, we'll do that. Thank you. Appreciate it. Is there a second? [0:02:49, 0:02:50]: A second. [0:02:50, 0:02:52]: All right. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:02:55, 0:02:56]: Okay, all post. [0:02:58, 0:02:59]: Okay, passes four one. [0:03:00, 0:03:03]: All right. Well we also have is the uh [0:03:04, 0:03:08]: Adoption of the minutes from uh council meeting of August tenth. [0:03:09, 0:03:13]: And the uh council w excuse me, of uh Sept uh [0:03:13, 0:03:15]: That was right, August 10th. [0:03:15, 0:03:18]: In the actual council work session of the twenty fifth. [0:03:19, 0:03:25]: Hope we had a chance to review that. If everything's in order, I need a motion to adopt those minutes for those past meetings. [0:03:27, 0:03:28]: Oh moved. [0:03:28, 0:03:29]: No second. [0:03:31, 0:03:31]: Okay. [0:03:32, 0:03:33]: Okay, Mr. Blount. [0:03:34, 0:03:36]: And all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:03:37, 0:03:39]: Okay, all pose? Okay. [0:03:40, 0:03:42]: Mm Mayor Potem, you've you've proven? [0:03:43, 0:03:45]: Okay, you're approved. Okay. Thank you very much. [0:03:46, 0:03:50]: We go to public comments. I want to make sure that this statement is actually on our agenda. [0:03:50, 0:03:54]: work sessions and and regular council meetings all the time. So when a [0:03:54, 0:03:55]: We have a public comment. [0:03:56, 0:03:59]: You have to sign in with the city clerk prior to the meet the meeting beginning. [0:03:59, 0:04:11]: And then for uh mayor and council members and for the individuals that are going to bring a comment, you roughly have three minutes to speak. And speakers must request uh respect all the members of the elected body, officials and staff. [0:04:12, 0:04:18]: And unruliness or swearing is not won't be tolerated during a a time in the meeting when you're giving your public comments. I want to make that known. [0:04:18, 0:04:22]: And on that note, uh Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments at all? [0:04:22, 0:04:25]: We do have one public comment that was submitted. [0:04:25, 0:04:26]: Okay. [0:04:26, 0:04:30]: And since you have it, ma'am, would you please I do. Okay, so please read it into record. [0:04:31, 0:04:31]: All right. [0:04:32, 0:04:52]: Mayor and Council, I am sending this message in an effort to convey my concerns regarding the drastic changes that are being considered regarding the consideration to bring the functions of building, permitting, and inspections in-house. I did submit a public comment regarding agenda number item number five for last week's September 29th, 2020 work session via your electronic format on the city's. [0:04:52, 0:05:03]: website. For some reason I did not hear the comment read, so therefore I am sending this message via email. As mentioned in my comment submitted, I have had numerous opportunities to work with Charles Abbott and Associates. [0:05:04, 0:05:24]: Thomas Marshall in particular in the past. My experiences have been nothing short of stellar. As I trust that the council will attempt to do what's best for the city, please consider how such actions are viewed by investors and potential investors. With everything that is happening and about to happen in Stockbridge, such drastic decisions will certainly catch the attention. [0:05:23, 0:05:43]: of investors and possibly cause them to take wait and see attitude prior to making major investments so quickly. I am literally just leaving a meeting with a few investors regarding another project that we are working on, and Stockbridge was a big part of the discussion. Two of the investors were on last week's call and will be on the October 12th call. We are all in agreement [0:05:43, 0:05:58]: that if such move can make can save the taxpayers money without compromising the quality of services, that is great. However, if the service level is compromised in a in an attempt to save a few dollars, that becomes a major problem for investors. Timing is everything. [0:05:58, 0:06:03]: Thanks for taking my comments, concerns into consideration, mister Reggie Sylvain. [0:06:04, 0:06:08]: Okay, thank you. Okay, thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate that. [0:06:08, 0:06:14]: Ladies and gentlemen, what I have, I have a total of four proclamations that I'm going to read, of course one at a time. [0:06:15, 0:06:27]: And the first two are are delayed. They've because of what has happened in our meetings, they've been delayed. So the dates are a few weeks or so ago, but let me do this. And the first one actually is a proclamation. [0:06:27, 0:06:30]: Honoring Chadwick Bozeman. [0:06:31, 0:06:40]: Whereas Sabbath Aaron Bozeman was born November twenty ninth, nineteen seventy six to Leroy and Carolyn Bozeman in Anderson, South Carolina. [0:06:41, 0:06:52]: Whereas Chadwood Bozeman was an American actor and attended Howard University, where he studied fine arts. He began his career in acting, directing, playwriting, and teaching in New York City. [0:06:53, 0:07:01]: He plays several historical figures. His first leading role in Hollywood film was as of Jackie Robinson in 42. [0:07:01, 0:07:03]: Which was two thousand thirteen. [0:07:03, 0:07:04]: James Brown. [0:07:05, 0:07:10]: Get on up in two thousand fourteen. They're a good marshall in Marshall in two thousand seventeen. [0:07:11, 0:07:20]: Whereas Shadwood Bozeman's role as superhero Black Panther in a Marvel Cinematic Universe films, including Black P uh Black Panther in 2018. [0:07:21, 0:07:22]: Made him an international star. [0:07:23, 0:07:25]: Winning him an N A C P [0:07:25, 0:07:34]: Image uh award and also screen actors guild award, whereas Vulcan's Stockbridge Quarry in Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:07:35, 0:07:38]: have been aptly named Balkan Hollywood South. [0:07:38, 0:07:44]: When the filmmakers were scouting locations for Wakanda, the fictional African nation in Black Panther. [0:07:44, 0:07:51]: They were wild when they came across came upon Balkan Materials Quarry and Stockbridge. In fact, [0:07:52, 0:07:55]: Flight was used for several scenes depicting Wakanda. [0:07:55, 0:07:58]: Including dramatic snowy mountain scenes. [0:07:58, 0:08:02]: Marvel's Black Panther, one outstanding performance by a cast and a motion pitcher. [0:08:03, 0:08:06]: At the twenty fifth Screen Actors Guild Awards. [0:08:06, 0:08:13]: Where Shadwood Bowman's film roles toward the end of his life life included Twenty One Bridges, which was in 2019. [0:08:13, 0:08:19]: was also co-produced and the DA uh DA Five Bloods twenty twenty. [0:08:20, 0:08:25]: His final film, Mar Reigns Black Bottom, will be released posthumously on Netflix. [0:08:26, 0:08:31]: He passed away August twenty eighth, twenty twenty, having uh after a four year battle. [0:08:31, 0:08:32]: We fold in cancer. [0:08:32, 0:08:34]: And where Shetwood Bowman death [0:08:35, 0:08:39]: Reinvigorating discussions about the rising incidence of colon cancer in young people. [0:08:40, 0:08:55]: meeting those under age fifty. Uh and otherwise awareness, education, colon cancer screenings have increased significantly significantly. Now therefore I, Anthony S. Boy, by virtue of authority vested in me as the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, [0:08:55, 0:08:59]: On behalf of city council owners, Alexander and Wanda Barber. [0:09:00, 0:09:03]: John Blount, Lakisikan, and Fabric Thomas do hereby proclaim. [0:09:04, 0:09:06]: Past to September fifteenth, twenty twenty. [0:09:06, 0:09:14]: I sat with Bowman Bay here in the great city of Stockbridge and encourage citizens to visit healthcare provider for colon cancer screenings. [0:09:14, 0:09:16]: For early detection and cure. [0:09:16, 0:09:25]: In witness thereof I have here unto set my hand the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on this fifteenth day of September, the year of our Lord. [0:09:26, 0:09:30]: Two thousand and twenty. And I signed this along with our clip Vanessa Holiday. [0:09:32, 0:09:34]: Welconda forever. [0:09:34, 0:09:35]: And the Friday. [0:09:37, 0:09:45]: Our next proclamation is actually overdue as well. Unfortunately, well, it's actually right in the middle here. It's a proclamation for National Hispanic Heritage Month. [0:09:46, 0:09:49]: Which is September fifteenth, October fifteenth, we're we're still in the window. [0:09:50, 0:09:52]: Whereas from the earliest days of our republic. [0:09:53, 0:09:55]: Hispanic Americans have written critical [0:09:56, 0:09:58]: Chapters in our nation national story. [0:09:59, 0:10:14]: Including defense of our country, businesses, ownership, teaching, and pioneer sci scientific and technological breakthroughs. And whereas Hispanic Americans represent an array of distinct and vibrant cultures, which enrich communities and valuable [0:10:15, 0:10:35]: And whereas Hispanic Americans embrace the promise of the United States that a better life should await anyone willing to work for it, and the love of liberty and justice that this country promises to all. Whereas the United States Congress has passed Public Law 100-402 as amended, which authorizes and [0:10:35, 0:10:51]: request that the president issue annually a proclamation designated September 15th through October 15th as National Hispanic Heritage Month in the United States. Whereas the mayor and the city council of the city of Stockbridge wish to show their support [0:10:51, 0:10:58]: For the Hispanic community in the city and throughout the United States by acknowledging National Hispanic Heritage Month in the city of Stockbridge. [0:10:59, 0:11:01]: And therefore I, Anthony S. Ford. [0:11:01, 0:11:03]: Mayor Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:11:03, 0:11:05]: Long with Council members Ellen Alexander. [0:11:05, 0:11:06]: Elanda Barber. [0:11:07, 0:11:13]: John Blount, the KesiGantt, and Aphonso Thomas do hereby proclaim September fifteenth, twenty twenty. [0:11:13, 0:11:17]: As Hispanic Heritage Celebration Day in the Great City of Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:11:17, 0:11:31]: A witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand and on the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the fifteenth day of September of our Lord 2020. And I also signed this along with our clerk Vanessa Holiday. [0:11:31, 0:11:34]: And when we have s uh Hispanic Harris Month next year. [0:11:35, 0:11:48]: Uh Bridge Fest will be right in between there. So we look for a great celebration of Bridge Fest next year at Cultural Arts Triple Activities. And uh of course our empathy would be up and running. So look forward to great twenty-one twenty twenty one, I should say. [0:11:49, 0:11:53]: The next proclamation deals with uh breast cancer awareness month. [0:11:55, 0:11:57]: Which is October, obviously. [0:11:57, 0:12:15]: Whereas during National Breast Cancer Awareness Month, we recognize the women and men, there are some men who actually have breast cancer, who courageously fight to survive, detect, treat, and prevent and support survivors of this death of the stadium disease. And whereas October is breast cancer awareness month. [0:12:15, 0:12:33]: which is an annual campaign to increase awareness of the disease. The statistics are frightening and staggering, yet we are encouraged to know that survival rates have drastically improved in recent years due to increased awareness and involative advancements in early detection and treatment. [0:12:34, 0:12:36]: Whereas if you are a breastcast in the Bible. [0:12:37, 0:12:39]: survivor that is, or have been recently diagnosed. [0:12:40, 0:12:44]: October is a great time to be reminded you that you are not alone. [0:12:44, 0:13:00]: And whereas we encourage all women to find out if they are at increased risk and learn more about recommended screenings by speaking with their healthcare providers and by visiting www.cancer.gov slash breast. [0:13:00, 0:13:20]: Early detection and treatment can save lives. That therefore I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority, vested in me as a mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and on behalf of Councilmember Zelda and Alexander, Yolanda Barber, John Blount, Nikesha Gann, and Afonso Thomas do hereby proclaim October 2020 as a National Breast Cancer Awareness Month. [0:13:20, 0:13:26]: We encourage encourage citizens, government agencies, private businesses, nonprofit organizations. [0:13:26, 0:13:34]: and all other interested groups to join in activities that will increase awareness of what Americans Americans can do to prevent brainst breast cancer. [0:13:35, 0:13:55]: A witness whereof I have here undo set my hand on the twelfth day of October of the year of our Lord uh twenty twenty. I signed this along with our clerk Vanessa Holliday. And whether or not folks, I'm I'm proudly have to tell you that I'm a member of uh Piemont Henry's 2020 uh Real Men Wear Pink. So it's part of my job to learn this month to educate. [0:13:54, 0:14:02]: Educate and try to encourage women to get the mammograms and uh get early detection. That's why I have a pink shirt on for the calcium tonight. [0:14:02, 0:14:03]: So uh [0:14:03, 0:14:13]: Be bear with us and and ladies do well and we'll try to get all the information out there so you can get checked out. And there are some men, small percentage of men, but uh it's probably focused on women without a doubt. [0:14:13, 0:14:14]: Well thank you. [0:14:14, 0:14:21]: The last proclamation for tonight deals with uh domestic violence. October is domestic violence awareness month. [0:14:22, 0:14:40]: Whereas during the National Domestic Violence Awareness Month, there's an opportunity to deepen our understanding of these issues, share resources, and most importantly, support survivors. Whereas it takes courage for a survivor to of sexual assault or domestic violence to share the story with anyone. [0:14:40, 0:14:45]: Never underestimate your power to affect the course of a survivor's healing journey. [0:14:45, 0:14:53]: And whereas family is the foundation of a safe and healthy community, and it is the goal of our community for our families to be safe. [0:14:53, 0:15:02]: And whereas this month we recommit to standing with survivors of domestic violence and to doing our utmost to send hope and healing to all who need it. [0:15:03, 0:15:07]: If you or someone you know needs assistance, we encourage you to reach out. [0:15:07, 0:15:13]: to the National Domestic Violence Hotline by calling 1 800-799 SAFE. [0:15:13, 0:15:22]: eight hundred seven nine nine seven two three three three three three three three or visiting www dot thehotline dot org. [0:15:22, 0:15:37]: Now therefore I, Anthony S. Ford, by the virtue of authority vested in me as the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, and on behalf of Councilmembers Ellen Alexander, Yolanda Barber, John Blount, Nakisha Gantt and Afonso Thomas, do hereby proclaim October 2020. [0:15:37, 0:15:39]: as National Domestic Violence Awareness Month. [0:15:40, 0:15:51]: We call on all Americans Americans to speak out against domestic violence and to support local efforts to assist victims of these crimes in finding the help and the healing they need. [0:15:51, 0:15:57]: A witness whereof I have here undo set my hand on a twelfth day of October of our year of our Lord and [0:15:58, 0:15:59]: Twenty twenty. [0:15:59, 0:16:01]: I signed this along with our clerk Vanessa Holiday. [0:16:03, 0:16:06]: On that note, that is all the proclamations for tonight. [0:16:07, 0:16:11]: And set items seven and eight have been taken off the agenda. [0:16:11, 0:16:21]: So we go to new business and that is council consideration of proposed amendment to the procurement ordinance presented by our attorney, Mr. Williams, please. [0:16:26, 0:16:30]: Good evening, everybody. Um, you have a fairly straightforward [0:16:31, 0:16:31]: Um [0:16:32, 0:16:37]: uh ordinance in your agenda packet that provides [0:16:38, 0:16:39]: А формо процес. [0:16:40, 0:16:41]: Um [0:16:41, 0:16:47]: that would require at least three uh bids, quotations or or [0:16:47, 0:16:48]: Or uh [0:16:49, 0:16:54]: or proposals depending on the various types of solicitations the cities involved in. [0:16:55, 0:17:00]: Um this was uh it was proposed that we formally put this in the code. [0:17:01, 0:17:08]: Um and the way it works is uh in each instance you get require a minimum of three proposals. [0:17:08, 0:17:12]: If you don't get three s proposals in the first go around [0:17:13, 0:17:17]: The staff is required to provide for additional time for for [0:17:18, 0:17:26]: other vendors to submit proposals and the opening of bids or proposals is delayed accordingly. [0:17:26, 0:17:36]: Um then we added a provision in there that we borrow from the uh the model policy that the Georgia Municipal Association put out that says [0:17:37, 0:17:37]: Uh yes. [0:17:38, 0:17:45]: You know, if you have your original solicitation, you don't get bids, and then you give additional time to get additional bids and you still don't. [0:17:45, 0:17:53]: then justification can be made and approved by the city manager in order to continue to go forward. That's in the GMA model. [0:17:54, 0:17:55]: Um provision. [0:17:55, 0:18:06]: The alternative would be y you would you could just throw everything out and start over. Um so this is a judgment call that we would need guidance from the mayor and council on and how you wanna handle that. [0:18:07, 0:18:10]: think the GMA uh leaves it open like that so that [0:18:11, 0:18:16]: You don't have to keep starting over if for whatever reason you're just not getting the number of bids. [0:18:16, 0:18:20]: Um, based on the type of goods or services you're looking for. [0:18:20, 0:18:22]: Um so that uh [0:18:22, 0:18:26]: The the ordinance provides for that and I'm happy to try to answer any questions you may have. [0:18:27, 0:18:30]: I saw Ms. Gantt's hand first. So go ahead, please, ma'am. [0:18:31, 0:18:31]: Yes. [0:18:32, 0:18:38]: The when you said the GMA model, does the GMA model recommend that we have to have at least three bids? [0:18:39, 0:18:50]: Um, I think that's kind of a generally accepted best practice. Um and so that that was that language was pulled out of some of the documents that they use. [0:18:51, 0:18:52]: You know, uh I [0:18:53, 0:18:58]: I'm not sure I could say that GMA is recommending three, but I think that's kind of [0:18:58, 0:19:02]: widely viewed as as a a a good uh minimum. [0:19:03, 0:19:03]: Um [0:19:04, 0:19:06]: And and that's why, I mean, you can [0:19:06, 0:19:11]: delete three, you can put two, you could increase it to four. I mean that it's just a judgment call. [0:19:11, 0:19:17]: But three is what most uh uh governments tend to use as a bare minimum. [0:19:18, 0:19:20]: Well if they if it [0:19:20, 0:19:38]: I know that governments usually r you know, that's what everyone wants is at least three bids. I know that our normal practice, even if if it's not required to be bid out, if we're calling to get quotes, they have to get at least three quotes from my understanding on certain things already with the city. [0:19:38, 0:19:39]: But it [0:19:39, 0:19:42]: We c if we can't make people bid. [0:19:42, 0:19:43]: Right. [0:19:43, 0:19:46]: So if we can't make them bid. [0:19:46, 0:19:48]: And let's say we have a project. [0:19:49, 0:19:50]: Let's just use amphitheater. [0:19:51, 0:19:55]: And we put something out of the bid and we're ready to go. You're saying that [0:19:57, 0:20:00]: If we don't get three bids on a particular item. [0:20:00, 0:20:03]: That we need to bring it back to [0:20:04, 0:20:06]: Bring it back up to bid again. [0:20:07, 0:20:20]: And so that's the budget, right? No, as it's drafted, um, uh let's use that you know, let's go back in time and and uh presume that we're receiving bids for the amphitheater. [0:20:20, 0:20:25]: If if you don't get three the first time around under this ordinance. [0:20:25, 0:20:26]: Then [0:20:26, 0:20:35]: Uh the bid openings are delayed, and you provide for additional time to receive additional bids. And so [0:20:35, 0:20:52]: th that's sort of the baseline. If after that additional time and and each every solicitation will be different based on the type of goods and services you're talking about, but whatever amount of appropriate additional time based on on the solicitation, if after that amount, then this draft says [0:20:52, 0:20:58]: that if you still don't get three bids, then justification can be made to the city manager and approved. [0:20:59, 0:21:06]: Um to go forward. Um and and a lot of the contracts b based on the size have to come to Mayor and Council anyway. [0:21:06, 0:21:09]: And so there would be some sort of justification. [0:21:09, 0:21:12]: um required before you proceeded. [0:21:13, 0:21:14]: But [0:21:14, 0:21:16]: It still prolongs. [0:21:17, 0:21:25]: us getting the contract filled, correct? I mean, here's my thing. If they I get it, I I hear what you're saying. So you extend the time period. [0:21:26, 0:21:28]: We're extending it for who though? [0:21:28, 0:21:34]: How do we I mean, are they is the reason why they didn't submit a bid is because they needed more time? [0:21:34, 0:21:35]: How are we to know that? [0:21:36, 0:21:42]: Or I mean, we're a council that wants to continue to move forward. So I need to know. [0:21:42, 0:21:50]: Does that make sense? And I hear you. Uh is Miss Miss Lindell can speak to it or anyone? I mean, I hear you, and I'm not knocking it. [0:21:52, 0:21:54]: I just don't want to prolong any projects. That's all. [0:21:56, 0:21:57]: I um [0:21:58, 0:22:11]: Honestly, I'm not sure I'm the best person to answer that. Um again, every kind of bid is is different. So in some cases it might just be, well, not enough people were aware of it. Had they known, they would have put a bid in. So [0:22:11, 0:22:14]: You you give more time, maybe you [0:22:14, 0:22:25]: you know, you do more advertising, things of that sort. And that's why it's important that you keep the bids that you do receive sealed. So that so that the integrity is maintained. But [0:22:25, 0:22:45]: Again, this is a judgment call. Um, whether you you have an absolute requirement for everything or you have asked go ahead. I hear you, but can Ms. Miller speak to that? Because I I want to hear from her department on it. Well, actually she can. So she asked a question. She's unmuted right now. Ms. Miller, go ahead, please. Um so [0:22:46, 0:22:48]: I don't can you repeat the question? [0:22:50, 0:22:51]: Ms. Gantt? [0:22:51, 0:22:53]: My question was [0:22:54, 0:22:59]: W well, actually I have more than one question. Well, question's kind of twofold with that. Does [0:22:59, 0:23:00]: The [0:23:02, 0:23:09]: Does this prolong us getting a contract? Is this normal? Is this the normal procedure? And does this pro [0:23:09, 0:23:12]: What's the benefit of getting three bids? [0:23:13, 0:23:16]: I'm just trying to figure out the process in general. So [0:23:18, 0:23:37]: My concern is prolonging bids if the people didn't apply the first time. Is there a way of doing it where they're showing some interest at the very last minute and the deadline is meeting? That's why we need to extend it? I'm trying to figure out why are we extending the deadline if we don't get three bids? What's the benefit of that? [0:23:37, 0:23:42]: Okay. The ordinance as is written right now basically states that we um [0:23:43, 0:23:48]: It does require us to get a minimum of three bids if it's available. That's the way it's written right now. [0:23:49, 0:23:57]: So if we put a solicitation on the streets and we tell these vendors that we have a bid due date and they need to have this bid to us today by five o'clock. [0:23:58, 0:24:02]: We have no way of knowing how many bids we're gonna get until five o'clock today. [0:24:02, 0:24:13]: So the deadline in the bid is five o'clock. If we get two bids in, the way this reads is that if we get two bids in, that we need to go ahead and extend. [0:24:14, 0:24:15]: The bid day. [0:24:15, 0:24:22]: The issue with that is that you've you've put out there in a solicitation that you need to get the bids here at five o'clock. [0:24:23, 0:24:26]: So people are rushing to get the bids here at five o'clock. [0:24:26, 0:24:30]: You get the bids at five o'clock and you only have two bids. [0:24:30, 0:24:32]: The way this reads is that we're going to extend it. [0:24:33, 0:24:33]: Now [0:24:35, 0:24:38]: How are we gonna extend something that's already opened? [0:24:39, 0:24:41]: The bid date has already passed. [0:24:41, 0:24:42]: So [0:24:44, 0:24:50]: There is a way to do that. Right now there's an there's a statute, which I did share with you, city attorney, about [0:24:50, 0:24:54]: The an addendum. Typically, if you put a bit on the street. [0:24:54, 0:24:57]: You tell a vendor that the bid has to be here by five o'clock. [0:24:58, 0:25:00]: Prior to that bid opening. [0:25:00, 0:25:04]: We post an addendum and we said okay, we're gonna allow more time. [0:25:06, 0:25:09]: To get the bids in, we can do that now. [0:25:10, 0:25:12]: But we still don't know how many bids we're gonna get. [0:25:13, 0:25:14]: Right. [0:25:14, 0:25:15]: So [0:25:18, 0:25:21]: This it the process as it as is written. [0:25:21, 0:25:22]: It's fine. [0:25:22, 0:25:23]: Because [0:25:24, 0:25:26]: If we're saying that we want to extend it. [0:25:27, 0:25:34]: We can extend it right now. We can post an addendum that says we'll allow 30 more days. If let's just say [0:25:34, 0:25:38]: Two days before that bid open date end date we only get [0:25:38, 0:25:41]: One bit. If we only have one bit sitting [0:25:41, 0:25:42]: at the office. [0:25:43, 0:25:44]: The issue is that [0:25:45, 0:25:46]: Most vendors. [0:25:46, 0:25:51]: don't submit their bids until the day the bid is supposed to open. [0:25:53, 0:25:58]: So if we say to them that your deadline to submit the bid is five o'clock today. [0:25:59, 0:26:04]: At 459, which most of them do, they're standing at the window, we get their bids. [0:26:06, 0:26:10]: The way this reads, we're gonna extend the bid, but then the bid date has already passed. [0:26:11, 0:26:11]: Mm-hmm. [0:26:12, 0:26:16]: The only thing we can do is reopen it. We can't do that. We can reopen it again. [0:26:18, 0:26:19]: Um [0:26:20, 0:26:21]: That's the way this is written. [0:26:25, 0:26:27]: Councilman Gantt, uh anything else? [0:26:28, 0:26:29]: No, I'm just [0:26:29, 0:26:34]: Uh well my comment to that is I don't see the benefit. I don't understand the purpose. [0:26:34, 0:26:38]: Like we're adults. I've done several [0:26:39, 0:26:51]: I submitted several bids to several counties over my years as an attorney, being on a team of people, whether it was for guardrail contracts with GDOT or anything of that nature. And a bid is a bid. The people who come in. [0:26:52, 0:26:58]: It's like any other opportunity on a qualifying date to qualify to run for a k to candidate as a city council member. [0:26:58, 0:27:01]: When you had that date passed, that's the deadline. [0:27:02, 0:27:03]: This this is not [0:27:04, 0:27:08]: middle school like my daughters and they get extensions and deadlines and you know [0:27:08, 0:27:09]: In points [0:27:11, 0:27:19]: People in companies and corporations go out and they look for bids if we're posting them in the right locations. I I heard of that being a concern at one time. [0:27:20, 0:27:25]: But I don't know if I'm in agreement with extending a bid just because we didn't get three bids. [0:27:26, 0:27:30]: I'm I mean because it's the responsibility of the businesses out there. [0:27:31, 0:27:33]: To meet the deadlines, and most of the time. [0:27:34, 0:27:54]: I've been there, I've seen it. They wait to the last 19th hour right before the deadline and submit back scan all their docs and whatever they have to do. They bind them. I've seen people put the notebooks together, running down to the place to bid to the procurement office to drop them off in boxes, whether they had have six copies. [0:27:54, 0:27:55]: Happy as you name it. [0:27:55, 0:27:58]: Pages and pages of documents. That's part of the game. [0:27:59, 0:27:59]: Right. [0:28:00, 0:28:04]: The the the issue is I'm so sorry. The the the issue is is that [0:28:05, 0:28:15]: We're telling them that we want a fair and a transparent and a competitive process. If you have vendors that rush down to meet that deadline at five o'clock. [0:28:16, 0:28:20]: And then you say, Okay, we're gonna extend it. Well, had they known that [0:28:21, 0:28:23]: They probably wouldn't have rushed down. [0:28:23, 0:28:26]: And then what happens then if they submit another bid? [0:28:27, 0:28:28]: Um [0:28:29, 0:28:31]: These are these are valid issues. [0:28:31, 0:28:31]: No. [0:28:31, 0:28:35]: And it also looks like we're shopping looking for a particular vendor. [0:28:35, 0:28:40]: It could it could it could undermine the bidding process. Correct. [0:28:41, 0:28:41]: All right. [0:28:42, 0:28:55]: All right, um uh councilwoman barber, go ahead please. Uh mayor. I d uh councilman Blount I got it. She was up for it. Oh he was he had his hand up on me. Stand by stand by, stand by. [0:28:55, 0:29:00]: Councilman Barber, it's on you. Now if you want to you you want to give it to him, so be it. It's on you. What do you want? [0:29:00, 0:29:03]: Yield to Kalzman blood. Go ahead now. [0:29:04, 0:29:05]: Thank you, Councilwoman Bobber. [0:29:06, 0:29:07]: For recognizing. [0:29:08, 0:29:14]: Uh one of the things and and that's my valid concern, I guess Councilwoman Barber, you're gonna you probably since you have some uh [0:29:15, 0:29:18]: No about the chairman, but my my my when you open up a bid [0:29:19, 0:29:21]: And you have a closing date. [0:29:23, 0:29:24]: How do we? [0:29:26, 0:29:30]: Show ourselves that and how do we prevent the city from looking like we're bedrigging? [0:29:31, 0:29:36]: Because if we have two bidders in a in a point of time that they have to bid. [0:29:37, 0:29:40]: And I'm I I was called by the by a couple of developers with this question. [0:29:41, 0:29:51]: How if you open the bid back up and the person you opened it back up to get the bid when they wasn't in that window, how do we give why are we giving [0:29:52, 0:29:54]: uh people to perception [0:29:54, 0:30:03]: That we're beard rigging, or we get known as the city that's gonna give the contract to whoever we want to give it to, because if they're outside the window. [0:30:03, 0:30:12]: They can open it back up and extend it and they could probably give it to the person that's coming in. We have to be careful and cautious how we're doing this. And Mr. Williams sit here and gave us a [0:30:12, 0:30:17]: uh a a model for gma, but gma model doesn't doesn't state [0:30:17, 0:30:20]: Uh does a state three bitch? [0:30:20, 0:30:40]: Not the GMA model does it. GMA model just just states that cities that open up bidding in the processes, along with other cities that we've seen and the processes have always been like that. But I think that we're doing the city of Stockbridge a diss uh a disservice, if you will. If we start to open up a bidding, [0:30:40, 0:30:41]: Process. [0:30:42, 0:30:48]: And if that and if we don't have three bids, we close that process up and then open it up for another bidder because [0:30:49, 0:30:54]: I'm not you know, we could get uh let me give you a scenario. We could get someone in here [0:30:55, 0:30:57]: To undermine the system. [0:30:58, 0:31:00]: And said, Hey, we got two bidders in here. [0:31:01, 0:31:04]: Why don't you come in with your bed and if you're close? [0:31:04, 0:31:13]: Hey, we you can get it. It just how do you prevent, Mr. Williams? I asked you and I asked you, Miss Lin, Miss Uh Miller, how do you prevent? [0:31:13, 0:31:26]: uh the per the perception with this code or how do you prevent bed rigging if this is changed like this because if you do if you bed rig is now in the code is okay. [0:31:27, 0:31:29]: It's okay to be a rigged. [0:31:29, 0:31:41]: If you got two people bidding for any type of project in the city of Stockbridge, we can say, Let me get another one. And it may be the person I want to come in. How do you prevent that with this in the code, Mr. Williams or Ms. Miller? [0:31:42, 0:31:44]: Well it's [0:31:45, 0:31:51]: The the I mean, you're gonna rely on your staff to maintain their integrity. [0:31:52, 0:31:53]: And and not [0:31:53, 0:31:54]: Uh [0:31:55, 0:31:58]: you know, go outside of established norms for procurement. [0:31:59, 0:32:00]: Um but [0:32:00, 0:32:09]: But the the issues identified in terms of the timing and how you you know, what do you do? We didn't get enough bids, you know, who do we go out to? How do we make sure it's it's neutral? [0:32:10, 0:32:17]: What you would have to do is in the initial bid documents, the ones that are first posted. [0:32:17, 0:32:23]: There need this language needs to be referenced. So bidders are are all on notice. [0:32:23, 0:32:24]: That if [0:32:24, 0:32:27]: the city doesn't get sufficient [0:32:27, 0:32:28]: bids, at least three. [0:32:29, 0:32:34]: Then the city reserves the right to extend the the date until we get three. [0:32:34, 0:32:37]: Now now is that ideal, is that, you know, perfect? [0:32:38, 0:32:41]: I I don't know. Um but but that [0:32:41, 0:32:44]: is what what uh was [0:32:44, 0:32:47]: was proposed and that's what you would need to do so everyone's on notice. [0:32:48, 0:32:50]: Now people won't know how many bids come in until [0:32:50, 0:32:52]: They come in and so [0:32:52, 0:32:57]: It's not as if a a a potential bidder could sit back and wait. [0:32:57, 0:33:01]: Um, it would not be to their advantage because if we do get at least three. [0:33:02, 0:33:03]: Then it's close and and [0:33:04, 0:33:08]: You know, they're out of luck. And so it it wouldn't make sense for for people to wait. [0:33:09, 0:33:13]: to get their bids in because they may not have the opportunity. [0:33:13, 0:33:16]: But but the the practical [0:33:16, 0:33:24]: issues that Miss Miller points out, they they are real. It it it is problematic in in in in terms of, you know [0:33:24, 0:33:30]: N because you're gonna wanna sit on the bids you do receive and not make sure they don't get compromised'cause if [0:33:32, 0:33:38]: If that happens, then you do have to throw everything out and start open. So there's things like that you have to work through. Um, but it's not a a perfect [0:33:39, 0:33:42]: uh solution and and to be clear the GMA [0:33:42, 0:33:46]: They they they have that language of says you know at least three [0:33:47, 0:33:51]: But if you don't get three, then as long as there's justification, you can proceed. [0:33:51, 0:34:00]: GMA does not have language that says you extend the time. That that's an ad an add-on that that was requested in this proposal. But GMA does. [0:34:00, 0:34:08]: have that, you know, suggestion that you try to get at least three and if you can't, you you you document a justification for why you didn't get it. [0:34:09, 0:34:19]: That but but that goes back and I think I want Ms. Miller to add on to that goes back to what I'm saying. Why would the city put our sales in a position at a time like this [0:34:19, 0:34:25]: Because the one of the questions on the table was how do we remove ourselves from the perception? [0:34:25, 0:34:27]: That we'll be it rigging. [0:34:27, 0:34:32]: And this is clearly what is this m give me one city we're modeling this after. [0:34:32, 0:34:39]: And I like to see that. Anybody have another city with Marlin this after Mr. Williams? I'm pretty sure it's something you have to. I mean, you looked up the GMA. [0:34:40, 0:34:43]: I d you know, I l I look for um [0:34:43, 0:34:52]: some potential language from GMA, but I did I I'm not aware of any cities that require in their ordinance that you extend a date if you don't get three. [0:34:52, 0:34:55]: But we're the only city, the only city. [0:34:56, 0:35:11]: In Metro Atlanta, with all this development going on, saying that you could come here and bid, but hold up, when the bidding closed, we wanna make sure we got somebody else in here. That's the signal we wanna give out to people? That's the signal we wanna give out to developers. [0:35:11, 0:35:31]: That that hard-earned time and efforts can be in vain because we're gonna we have the right to extend it and bring somebody else in. Is that what this council really wants to start doing? Going outside the box and become an anomaly when it comes to development in this city and how progressive we've been moving to sit here and say, hey, we're gonna stop these developers right now. [0:35:31, 0:35:40]: Now, because we want three bids. It makes no sense. Ms. Miller, how do I, Ms. Miller, how do we start the perception of bid rigging? [0:35:41, 0:35:42]: With this процес. [0:35:43, 0:35:45]: Um this um [0:35:50, 0:35:55]: Okay, this item was drafted by the city attorney. I did not draft did draft this item. [0:35:56, 0:35:58]: The one one of the things that we we [0:35:59, 0:36:02]: learn and understand and procurement is that even if it's [0:36:03, 0:36:03]: Um [0:36:04, 0:36:09]: s a process may be viable, you always want to avoid the very perception [0:36:10, 0:36:14]: That something is being done, um, that is undermining the process. [0:36:16, 0:36:20]: The issues that I brought up are real. If if we have a big date that has closed. [0:36:22, 0:36:23]: How do we reopen it? [0:36:24, 0:36:26]: if we haven't posted an addendum. [0:36:27, 0:36:29]: An addendum is a vehicle that you use. [0:36:30, 0:36:31]: To extend [0:36:31, 0:36:35]: The bid date or to change the specifications as is listed. [0:36:37, 0:36:44]: Right now our statute uh our ordinance states that we require a minimum of three bids. It states that. [0:36:44, 0:36:45]: Um [0:36:45, 0:36:48]: And the justification factor is something that can be added. [0:36:49, 0:36:51]: An addendum can be [0:36:51, 0:36:54]: Posted prior to the bid opening date. [0:36:54, 0:36:56]: Advising that [0:36:57, 0:36:59]: We're extending the bid due date. [0:37:00, 0:37:03]: But once that due date has passed. [0:37:04, 0:37:05]: How do you extend it? [0:37:07, 0:37:08]: And and so I have no answer for that. [0:37:09, 0:37:11]: Well, just a quick follow up on that. [0:37:12, 0:37:14]: I'm gonna say to this council [0:37:15, 0:37:17]: We cannot be the only city. [0:37:18, 0:37:19]: The only city [0:37:20, 0:37:23]: That's sitting here and want to put this type of policy in place. [0:37:23, 0:37:29]: When we got developers, we've got people looking at the uh even on the Zoom tonight that I know of. [0:37:30, 0:37:33]: And we're trying to put a policy in place that would tell them [0:37:34, 0:37:39]: That nothing's set in stone when you bid on a when you bid on a project here in the center stock bridge. [0:37:40, 0:37:41]: That's my [0:37:41, 0:37:42]: Councilman Barber, go ahead, please. [0:37:45, 0:37:46]: Thank you, Mia. [0:37:46, 0:37:49]: Um, okay, so I will do my best. [0:37:50, 0:37:55]: to um try to explain why I am the one who brought forth. [0:37:56, 0:37:58]: These concerns and requested [0:37:58, 0:37:59]: That staff. [0:38:00, 0:38:01]: Um, do something. [0:38:02, 0:38:03]: about the procurement process. [0:38:04, 0:38:06]: We have to have safeguards in place. [0:38:07, 0:38:09]: To protect the competitive bidding process. [0:38:12, 0:38:13]: Since I've been on this council. [0:38:15, 0:38:18]: There have been recommendations to award contracts. [0:38:19, 0:38:22]: To one single responder. [0:38:22, 0:38:24]: There have been multiple times. [0:38:25, 0:38:27]: If you're talking about big rigging. [0:38:28, 0:38:29]: That's an example. [0:38:30, 0:38:32]: It's happened too often. [0:38:32, 0:38:35]: That is what raised a red flag for me. [0:38:36, 0:38:39]: Why do we keep getting one responder? [0:38:39, 0:38:40]: To our beds. [0:38:41, 0:38:42]: I trust death. [0:38:43, 0:38:53]: However, I was making suggestions on ways to improve our process to make sure that we don't give the appearance of impropriety. [0:38:54, 0:38:56]: Several suggestions that I made. [0:38:57, 0:38:59]: One in fact was this ordinance. [0:39:00, 0:39:03]: And let me attempt to try to explain to you all. [0:39:03, 0:39:04]: What I'm trying to do. [0:39:05, 0:39:08]: I had a conversation with Mr. Knighton, invited Ms. Miller. [0:39:09, 0:39:14]: um to be a part of the conversation as along with several of the other council members. [0:39:15, 0:39:17]: What I'm attempting to do [0:39:17, 0:39:25]: Is to require that all solicitations be posted at a minimum of 45 days. [0:39:27, 0:39:28]: Not thirty days. [0:39:29, 0:39:31]: Forty five days is adequate time. [0:39:31, 0:39:33]: Before the bid [0:39:33, 0:39:34]: Closing date. [0:39:35, 0:39:37]: Or solicitation closing date. [0:39:39, 0:39:42]: If by the forty fifth day [0:39:42, 0:39:45]: Bef prior to the forty fifth day. [0:39:45, 0:39:47]: Procurement should know that [0:39:48, 0:39:51]: how many responders they've received. [0:39:52, 0:39:54]: If they received less than three. [0:39:55, 0:39:58]: They shouldn't wait until the bid closing date if [0:39:59, 0:40:00]: Supposed [0:40:01, 0:40:01]: An addendum. [0:40:03, 0:40:04]: The addendum should be posted. [0:40:05, 0:40:07]: Several days, maybe even a week. [0:40:07, 0:40:09]: prior to the big closing date. [0:40:10, 0:40:11]: To extend it. [0:40:11, 0:40:21]: Now granted, there are some um commodities and services that are sole source. So we're not gonna get a lot of people or a lot of um [0:40:22, 0:40:23]: suppliers to bid on them. [0:40:24, 0:40:25]: I get that. [0:40:25, 0:40:28]: Those are source source products and services. [0:40:28, 0:40:29]: But I'm talking about [0:40:30, 0:40:32]: General services such as janitorial [0:40:33, 0:40:34]: Landscaping. [0:40:35, 0:40:39]: We should not just receive one responsive bidder. [0:40:40, 0:40:42]: There's a problem with that. [0:40:42, 0:40:46]: It's a problem if we continuously receive one [0:40:46, 0:40:47]: Responder. [0:40:48, 0:40:50]: To bids such as that. [0:40:51, 0:40:56]: I suggested that we find more ways to advertise our solicitations. [0:40:57, 0:41:01]: It's my understanding and through the town hall uh meeting that [0:41:01, 0:41:05]: Um Calcman Alexander did, uh Miss Miller. [0:41:06, 0:41:07]: was a part of that town hall. [0:41:08, 0:41:10]: She talked about the procurement process. [0:41:10, 0:41:12]: They are implementing a software. [0:41:13, 0:41:19]: Um it's a database that they'll be able to use to compile perspective. [0:41:20, 0:41:24]: suppliers for all types of products and services. [0:41:24, 0:41:28]: With that database, she's able to drill down. [0:41:29, 0:41:32]: Let's just for example for landscaping. [0:41:32, 0:41:35]: We would have during our [0:41:35, 0:41:37]: I think she calls them um [0:41:39, 0:41:52]: Her Ms. Miller can speak more to it, but the meetings that she will begin having with local small business owners to get them to understand how to bid on city contracts. [0:41:53, 0:41:55]: She will be building her database. [0:41:56, 0:41:59]: with those local small business owners or any business owners. [0:42:00, 0:42:05]: So business owners who may be looking to do landscaping work for the city. [0:42:06, 0:42:11]: She would have a database of all businesses that have registered with the city. [0:42:11, 0:42:15]: She's able to drill down in her database. [0:42:15, 0:42:18]: Send out a solicitation whenever there is one. [0:42:19, 0:42:20]: For landscaping. [0:42:21, 0:42:24]: to make them aware that we have this solicitation. [0:42:25, 0:42:27]: that is open for bids. [0:42:27, 0:42:32]: That is one way to advertise and that software is gonna be a big help. [0:42:34, 0:42:38]: The other way is she's using Henry Harold to advertise. [0:42:38, 0:42:42]: She's also using the Georgia State procurement website to advertise. [0:42:43, 0:42:49]: I suggested that we find five ways to advertise. I think right now she's only using three. [0:42:50, 0:42:53]: until the software database is up and running. [0:42:54, 0:43:03]: So the more people we get um interested and more eyes on these solicitations, we'll get more proposals submitted. [0:43:04, 0:43:11]: So the three responsive bidding or bidders that I am suggesting that we received. [0:43:12, 0:43:14]: is not something unusual. [0:43:15, 0:43:17]: It's not unusual at all. [0:43:17, 0:43:20]: GMA has provided a standard for procurement. [0:43:21, 0:43:27]: the policies and daily tasks that procurement performs is up to them. [0:43:27, 0:43:30]: It's up to procurement, the city manager. [0:43:30, 0:43:32]: These are suggestions. [0:43:32, 0:43:34]: But for this council. [0:43:34, 0:43:37]: What I have asked Mr. Knighton is please [0:43:38, 0:43:48]: Do not add any item to the agenda with a recommendation to award a contract if there's only been one single responder. [0:43:50, 0:43:54]: That just lets me know we did not do enough job of advertising. [0:43:54, 0:43:56]: So we should have extended. [0:43:57, 0:43:58]: The beard. [0:43:58, 0:44:03]: to allow more response respondu response bidders [0:44:04, 0:44:09]: Find more ways to advertise. And if there has been a good faith effort. [0:44:09, 0:44:12]: in advertising and we still don't get [0:44:12, 0:44:16]: adequate responders, then the city manager. [0:44:16, 0:44:19]: Is to present that particular item. [0:44:19, 0:44:25]: with a recommendation to a ward, with the justification to the council that [0:44:26, 0:44:26]: Thing [0:44:28, 0:44:39]: Did a good faith effort, but were not able to bring in more fitters. But I do not feel comfortable with continuing to approve one. [0:44:40, 0:44:43]: Responder who's bitted, not only that. [0:44:43, 0:44:46]: When we get those recommendations to award. [0:44:46, 0:44:49]: I want to see all of the source documents. [0:44:49, 0:44:51]: The tabulation sheets. [0:44:52, 0:45:03]: the evaluation forms, the references, I want to see every document that staff reviews in order to make their recommendation to award. [0:45:04, 0:45:05]: Most times [0:45:06, 0:45:10]: When those bids come in, procurement is required. [0:45:10, 0:45:15]: To have a list of responsive bidders. [0:45:15, 0:45:19]: Not all responsive bidders make it to the shortlist. [0:45:20, 0:45:25]: Some of them are disqualified during the bid opening date. [0:45:25, 0:45:33]: because either they didn't fill out the correct paperwork, they didn't include certain information, they're disqualified. [0:45:33, 0:45:48]: So all we're seeing is just what the staff is recommending, but I'm asking to see the entire list of everyone who responded, including those that have been disqualified. And I want to know why they were disqualified. [0:45:48, 0:45:53]: So when you talk about bid ridding, big ridding rigging. [0:45:54, 0:45:58]: That is what it looked like when we were approving. [0:45:59, 0:46:02]: contracts with only one single [0:46:02, 0:46:03]: Bitter. [0:46:04, 0:46:06]: That's what you did with the unified development code. [0:46:07, 0:46:20]: That's not a good look. It gives an appearance of impropriety. So all I'm doing is offering suggestions to staff on ways to improve our procurement process so that we are fair and transparent. [0:46:21, 0:46:21]: That's all. [0:46:22, 0:46:24]: Mirapal Tim Thomas, go ahead, please. [0:46:25, 0:46:26]: Thank you, Mayor. [0:46:26, 0:46:28]: Uh Mrs. Miller. [0:46:30, 0:46:32]: Is Mrs. Miller still with us? I'm so I'm here. [0:46:32, 0:46:33]: Yeah. [0:46:34, 0:46:44]: Uh I lost my screen. Uh can you speak to the addendum process and the uh timeline uh associated with that? [0:46:45, 0:46:46]: Sure. Um [0:46:46, 0:46:48]: Basically um [0:46:49, 0:46:53]: I think um Councilwoman Barber was attempting to explain the same thing I just said. [0:46:54, 0:46:57]: Basically, when a bid is posted, you have a due date. [0:46:58, 0:47:00]: The statute state [0:47:00, 0:47:07]: The public worker statute state that within 72 hours of that bid opening, you can post an addendum. [0:47:08, 0:47:28]: The way this ordinance is written right now, it does undermine the procurement process. Because what it's saying is that when the bid on the bid due date, we need to extend it. Well, that doesn't give vendors enough time because they, in most cases, are standing at the window submitting. [0:47:28, 0:47:29]: Their bits. [0:47:29, 0:47:32]: Or they've already submitted their bids. [0:47:33, 0:47:37]: What normally typically happens in the procurement process. [0:47:37, 0:47:46]: is that prior to the bid opening date and you always want to give them with at least 72 hours, several days before that date is open. [0:47:48, 0:47:57]: If by then we haven't we see that we only have two bids, we can extend it because then you're telling everyone at the same time. [0:47:58, 0:48:05]: We are going to extend the bid opening date. You cannot wait until the bid due date. [0:48:06, 0:48:10]: Because at that time you've probably already s received two or three bids. [0:48:10, 0:48:12]: And then you're telling them you're gonna extend it. [0:48:13, 0:48:17]: And then now you're putting them in a position where they either have to submit another bid. [0:48:18, 0:48:34]: come back and get their bids, it may it it leaves for a very sloppy process. Stay forward. No stemboard. So what you want to do is you want to post a bid and you advise everyone at the same time. [0:48:34, 0:48:37]: This bit is going to open today at five o'clock. [0:48:38, 0:48:43]: Seventy two hours before that bid opening, if procurement sees that we only have one bid. [0:48:44, 0:48:46]: Then yes, we can go, we can post an addendum. [0:48:47, 0:48:48]: And we can say [0:48:48, 0:48:51]: We're going to extend the bid opening date. [0:48:52, 0:49:03]: We can always put the bid out for 45 days, but the issue is not the 45 days. The issue according to this, the way this is written, is when are you going to extend it? [0:49:04, 0:49:10]: So that 45 day process that has nothing to do with this ordinance that's in front of us. [0:49:10, 0:49:14]: The other thing is that when we receive bids. [0:49:15, 0:49:19]: Procurement posts what is called a bid tabulation or bid responsive sheet. [0:49:20, 0:49:29]: That is posted on the city's website as well as the Georgia Procurement Registry. So the world knows how many bids were submitted. [0:49:29, 0:49:34]: what the vendors' names are and what the cost of the bids are. Nothing is hidden. [0:49:34, 0:49:47]: So when we move that recommendation forward and we ask council to review and award a contract, that bid tab with everyone's bid is posted on the website for the world to see. [0:49:48, 0:49:56]: Now, what we can do is we can submit every bid that we get. As a matter of fact, we did that with one that's coming to your way right now. [0:49:57, 0:50:02]: And we got five bids and it was posted on the Georgia Registry as well as the city's website. [0:50:03, 0:50:23]: We cannot tell people who to who tell people who to bid. We cannot control who bids. We are posting bids according to the ordinance that this council has put in place. When I started, I requested a software because I know from best practices that the software will enhance the procurement process. [0:50:22, 0:50:36]: process. But until we get that procurement, until we get that software implemented, we can also post it wherever council likes. But as of right now, when a bid comes in, the world knows what we have. [0:50:36, 0:50:56]: And if we want to extend a contract, we can do that. But when the way that this is written, this undermines the process. You do not want to wait until the day of the bid date to extend the bid date. You want to do that at least 72 hours prior to the bid being opened. 45 days is not an issue, it could be up 60 days. [0:50:56, 0:50:59]: But you want to make sure that everyone knows when to submit a bit. [0:51:00, 0:51:12]: Member Tim Thomas is still on you, sir. Go ahead. Thank you. Um Mrs. Miller, thank you for for that explanation. But going back to the uh addendum process, um [0:51:12, 0:51:16]: The unified code uh was first discussed. [0:51:17, 0:51:19]: Uh back in January. [0:51:20, 0:51:21]: Um [0:51:21, 0:51:27]: And now we see that it would not be completed until October of [0:51:27, 0:51:28]: twenty twenty one. [0:51:29, 0:51:30]: So was there [0:51:31, 0:51:35]: An addendum established for the unified code. [0:51:35, 0:51:40]: And were there changes. So so give me a little bit more information about [0:51:41, 0:51:45]: the addendum for that particular uh RFQ. [0:51:45, 0:51:46]: Or P [0:51:47, 0:52:07]: Um and was there an addendum attached and did that go back up? So can you explain that process dealing with Councilman Thomas? Um I was not aware that the UDC was going to be on the agenda. I would have to go to the website and and because it's posted, I would have to go to the website and see if an addendum was posted because if it [0:52:07, 0:52:09]: It was the it okay, so [0:52:10, 0:52:14]: I I'm not prepared to answer that because I'm not I'm not for certain. [0:52:14, 0:52:15]: Okay. [0:52:15, 0:52:16]: Thank you. [0:52:17, 0:52:19]: Uh stand by. Councilman Blount, it's on you. [0:52:20, 0:52:21]: Yeah, thank you, Mayor. [0:52:21, 0:52:22]: Um [0:52:22, 0:52:25]: You know, one of the things that I do agree with. [0:52:26, 0:52:28]: If there's other avenues to post [0:52:29, 0:52:31]: Then then let's move that in that direction. [0:52:32, 0:52:39]: Um I just think that when we we as elected officials and I wish that you know I I wish that GMA [0:52:39, 0:52:44]: had their classes this year. So we you know, we're all a are the elected body. [0:52:45, 0:52:49]: And one of these squares on this screen is something called a city manager sitting here. [0:52:50, 0:52:57]: And if we want documents looked at and make sure, see we have to be careful and cautious as an elected body that we're not continuing. [0:52:57, 0:53:00]: continuing every time we have these Zoom calls. [0:53:00, 0:53:08]: undermining staff or somebody on the process that they're doing. If there's something board uh that that's boring with the process that we want to change. [0:53:08, 0:53:13]: Then we sit down with that person with the city manager and we talk about procedures. [0:53:14, 0:53:23]: And then we sit down with this just we sit down with the council and we talk about p changing those policies and procedures as a whole. We're only one vote apiece. [0:53:25, 0:53:26]: This council in itself. [0:53:27, 0:53:29]: The consensus of the council. [0:53:29, 0:53:32]: But everybody talks about policy policies and procedures. [0:53:33, 0:53:38]: But we have to be careful and cautious that we are elected officials and we're not the city manager. [0:53:40, 0:53:57]: We have the lot of city managers to manage this city. And if something's not going right, then we sit down and we have those type of meetings. This is not a good look to continue to come on here and we talk about policies and procedures and and and how this function is not going right. This is not a good look, people, at all. [0:53:58, 0:54:02]: And when we sit here and we're talking about this anomaly that we're trying to pass tonight. [0:54:03, 0:54:08]: I'm not with it at all. And I wanna say that even to the developers that are on the phone tonight. [0:54:10, 0:54:11]: Castle Munazana, go ahead, please. [0:54:13, 0:54:19]: Thank thank you. I appreciate that. I've I I've listened to the conversation and I appreciate it. [0:54:19, 0:54:25]: uh when Miss Barber brought this to our my attention, uh we chose chose to look. [0:54:25, 0:54:28]: forward as this uh played itself out. [0:54:29, 0:54:40]: Uh what it what what it really amounts to is if you listen listen to the total presentation and not just focus on about this much of it, what you really hear is a comprehensive [0:54:40, 0:54:51]: solution to a issue. You're focusing on the little part of the process that will make sure that we move forward with putting pressure on staff to [0:54:52, 0:55:04]: uh get the uh requisite amount of uh solicitations. What we want to do here, you know, don't don't focus on the point that okay, w this this small this this requirement [0:55:04, 0:55:10]: But the issue is as been in pass, we have not gotten the requisite amount of bids. And I think [0:55:11, 0:55:31]: This will be used few and far between because if it's written in stone, I don't think we're gonna be having a lot of one vendor, one vendor, one vendor any for us going forward because we've already, I think, moved on to the point where we're doing additional advertising, we're doing additional solicitation. That was a [0:55:30, 0:55:40]: a total part of this encompassing process, not just the implementation of one standard to say, okay, we'll put the bid back up. [0:55:40, 0:55:53]: The goal is not to put the bid back out by forcing the issue up front to get the solicitations in the first place. And let me point something out here that I want to be very, very clear. [0:55:54, 0:56:00]: Personally, I'm not looking at developers coming into the city dictating to us what we want to do. [0:56:01, 0:56:03]: Okay, we want to be business friendly. [0:56:03, 0:56:21]: But we're talking about vendors, okay? We're not t we really realistically are we talking about what we're doing impacting. We're talking about what the vendors do that bring their services to the city and they're asking for our dollars to reciprocate for a service. We're the customer. [0:56:21, 0:56:41]: There's a different approach when you're the customer. In this particular transaction, we are the customer. We demand a high level of service and for what we want for that from this staff. And yes, okay, it is our job to implement the policies and procedures for the city manager to execute them. [0:56:41, 0:57:00]: We're this is a policy decision that we're making to make sure that we don't keep ending up with one bid, one bid, one bid. As you watched and participated in how to do business with Stockbridge, this was an overall encompassing measure to bring more people to the table. [0:57:00, 0:57:20]: As part of the supplier diversity policy, we want a piece of the pie for everybody. This makes sure that not just the few people get in on the Apple, use the state registration. You may, you know, honestly, the Henry Harrow gets thrown on my driveway every week. I run over it a few times, and then I might finally [0:57:20, 0:57:36]: Figure it up. We need to come into the 21st century and do some more reaching besides putting it in an organ that really nobody really reads a lot and being all encompassing to increase ourselves to make sure that we get the best providers possibly. [0:57:36, 0:57:39]: out of the Metro Atlanta area. I would just say [0:57:39, 0:57:59]: the the arguments that we're having here aren't necessary. If you read the entire policy, the focus is to get us to bring the policy to the council with three bids by making sure that we're doing a three sixty wrap around to make sure that we get as many vendors to the table as possible. I understand [0:57:59, 0:58:03]: that and I'm not trying to focus on the one little sliver that we're paying attention to. [0:58:04, 0:58:18]: There really is no tremendous downside to what we're doing right here. Th there is upside in that we increase the the the pool of applicants, just like we had the vendor come in for the um [0:58:18, 0:58:23]: the procurement on the um on the lawn service for city hall, okay? [0:58:23, 0:58:43]: Uh that was not satisfactory because uh I know that there are tremendous vendors out here who could do a great job that around our city hall area and we weren't we were not satisfied with the appearance of how our city hall area looks. And we wanted the very best people to manicure that area. We wanted as many bids as possible. [0:58:43, 0:58:48]: So we did have to put it back out. It was the right thing to do. When you don't get the quality. [0:58:49, 0:58:53]: We put it back out, and then there is a caveat to allow the city manager. [0:58:54, 0:58:59]: to have some interpretation on what we're doing, not necessarily he has the [0:58:59, 0:59:12]: Wow, he has some leeway to uh to make some of these decisions. Uh when it goes back out doesn't doesn't come back in with a significant amount of bids or the right amount. We're not gonna continue to go along with the process. [0:59:12, 0:59:19]: But we are gonna give it one extra turn to make sure that we've turned over the leaf for everybody uh who may want to apply. [0:59:20, 0:59:22]: Councilwoman Barber, go ahead, please. [0:59:25, 0:59:37]: I just wanted to say I think that there may be um a misinterpretation between what Ms. Miller is saying and the ordinance that the city attorney wrote. [0:59:38, 0:59:40]: There is a difference between [0:59:41, 0:59:42]: When you use the term [0:59:43, 0:59:44]: Bid closing date. [0:59:45, 0:59:46]: and bid opening dates. [0:59:48, 0:59:49]: There's a difference. [0:59:49, 0:59:54]: So what I recommended and suggested with Mr [0:59:54, 0:59:59]: Knighton was that we extend the bid [1:00:00, 1:00:02]: Before the beard [1:00:02, 1:00:03]: Closing date. [1:00:04, 1:00:09]: That would be the date that would be posted on the original solicitation. [1:00:09, 1:00:12]: that's advertised publicly. So the original date. [1:00:13, 1:00:16]: If in fact we don't receive three [1:00:17, 1:00:23]: um qualified bidders before the bid closing date that we extended. [1:00:24, 1:00:25]: prior to [1:00:25, 1:00:26]: The closing date. [1:00:27, 1:00:36]: I think Ms. Miller is talking about the bid opening date, which is a separate function and task of procurement. [1:00:37, 1:00:39]: I'm talking about the step prior to the bid. [1:00:40, 1:00:40]: Opening days. [1:00:41, 1:00:47]: So I wanted to make sure that there is some communication um with [1:00:47, 1:00:56]: Miss Miller and Mr. Williams in regards to this ordinance and that he understand she understands what this ordinance speaks to. It speaks to the bid. [1:00:57, 1:00:58]: Closing date. [1:00:58, 1:01:00]: So all um [1:01:01, 1:01:08]: Felicitations that have been posted if we don't get three qualified uh responders before the big closing date. [1:01:09, 1:01:10]: Please extend the bed. [1:01:11, 1:01:11]: Um [1:01:12, 1:01:16]: That way we can show good faith effort in advertising this. [1:01:17, 1:01:20]: That's all. I just wanted to clarify that. And um [1:01:21, 1:01:25]: if I may, since we're on this subject and Councilman Alexander. [1:01:25, 1:01:45]: He pointed out some of the recommendations that I made. And this is not just one-step process for procurement. It was a suggestion that I made to help with the process, procurement process, the competitive bidding process, because we are looking to move forward progressively. [1:01:45, 1:01:52]: And I want to make sure that staff is ready for it all. I see Ms. Miller has disappeared from the screen. [1:01:52, 1:01:53]: But nonetheless. [1:01:53, 1:01:54]: Um [1:01:55, 1:01:56]: Mr Williams. [1:01:57, 1:01:58]: Do you mind? [1:01:59, 1:02:02]: Reading the ordinance one more time. [1:02:02, 1:02:11]: Just so that we are clear on when the extension should be placed, and then I'll read the rest of the recommendations that I made just for staff. [1:02:13, 1:02:14]: Okay. [1:02:15, 1:02:16]: May I just pull it out? [1:02:16, 1:02:17]: That's me. [1:02:25, 1:02:32]: So there are three sections where uh language is added in the ordinance. [1:02:33, 1:02:50]: So uh one uh relates to informal per uh purchases, one relates to actual uh bids, and then another relates the last the third one relates to proposals, but it's essentially the same mechanism in each one. So I'm only gonna read one version. [1:02:50, 1:02:51]: Um [1:02:51, 1:02:59]: And so the language that was added is is as follows. It says a minimum of three bids or proposals or et cetera, but [1:03:00, 1:03:06]: In this case it's bids, a minimum of three bids is required unless adequate source supply is not available. [1:03:06, 1:03:11]: Sufficient additional time shall be established in order to solicit at least three bids. [1:03:11, 1:03:14]: And the bid opening shall be delayed accordingly. [1:03:15, 1:03:19]: If after such additional time three bids are still not obtained. [1:03:19, 1:03:22]: Valid justification must be provided and approved by the city manager. [1:03:23, 1:03:26]: And so that language mirrors itself throughout. [1:03:26, 1:03:43]: Okay, so it does cover the bid closing date and the bid opening date. Um, so that is language, Ms. Miller. If you and Mr. Williams weren't in agreement with the language, I kind of expected that you all would have the conversation prior to [1:03:43, 1:03:53]: Well we we i if I may we did have a conversation about this and so in the Public Works Construction Act, which is a state code that requires [1:03:54, 1:04:14]: Uh it has a fairly detailed uh bid process for public works construction. And public works construction basically is any major bricks and mortar type construction, roads, buildings, etc., where the cost will is anticipated to exceed 100,000. You have to follow the process. [1:04:14, 1:04:16]: process it's established state code. [1:04:16, 1:04:17]: Um [1:04:17, 1:04:18]: And in that [1:04:19, 1:04:23]: State code there's a provision that says you cannot make changes to [1:04:23, 1:04:27]: the the specifications and plans um [1:04:28, 1:04:42]: uh within three days of the bid closing date. Um and the reason for that is y you know, pe the uh potential bidders need to know what they're bidding on. And if you change it right before then you know that throws it out. [1:04:43, 1:04:45]: But it does have a provision. [1:04:45, 1:04:47]: That says that if [1:04:47, 1:04:52]: Changes are made within that three day period to seventy two hour period. [1:04:52, 1:04:52]: Then the [1:04:53, 1:04:53]: D [1:04:54, 1:04:59]: Um the opening date is extended in order to allow uh bidders to [1:05:00, 1:05:02]: You get put in new beds. [1:05:02, 1:05:03]: Yeah. [1:05:03, 1:05:06]: to think about why that would ever happen. Just just to say [1:05:07, 1:05:22]: you you're you have a major project and then you know two days before the bids are due we identify a sinkhole in the middle of the construction site. Well if that's the case you're gonna have to add the and change the specifications and uh and get [1:05:23, 1:05:25]: Um, give people enough time to respond. [1:05:26, 1:05:33]: That's what's envisioned in the state code. Um and and I would make the argument that changing the bid opening date. [1:05:33, 1:05:39]: really isn't a change in the plans and specifications. That's just a change in the timeline. [1:05:39, 1:05:40]: Yes. [1:05:40, 1:05:45]: I would agree with Miss Miller that that does complicate things. I mean, because it just does. [1:05:46, 1:05:46]: But [1:05:47, 1:05:48]: Yeah. [1:05:48, 1:05:50]: You know, we need to be clear that [1:05:50, 1:05:52]: What's proposed here [1:05:52, 1:05:53]: Um [1:05:53, 1:06:00]: applies to all types of uh procurement and not just public works procurement. And so [1:06:01, 1:06:10]: you know, w when she cites to the statute, that's just for a small subset of the the f whole universe of procurement activities. [1:06:10, 1:06:10]: Right. [1:06:11, 1:06:14]: I agree. I know that Mayor, might might I respond? [1:06:14, 1:06:19]: Yeah, sure, go right in. Okay, so I'm reading this is your this is the ordinance. I'm reading [1:06:20, 1:06:22]: Finish my comment if I would if I can here. [1:06:23, 1:06:24]: Wait, just right go right ahead, please. [1:06:25, 1:06:45]: I just wanted to make sure that um I was clear with the extending the bid closing date. Yes, it's going to affect the bid opening date. So Ms. Miller knows how to um schedule those tasks appropriately. I just want to make sure that we are clear on that. But I didn't think [1:06:44, 1:06:48]: that it was gonna cause this much um [1:06:48, 1:06:51]: Conversation. I'm glad we're having the conversation. [1:06:51, 1:06:55]: Um but I wanted to also just [1:06:55, 1:07:10]: read the recommendation, the entire recommendations that I submitted and was hoping that I'd be able to have this conversation with Ms. Miller, the city attorney, and Mr. Knighton, but I only had the conversation with Mr. Knighton. [1:07:10, 1:07:25]: So anyway, um I wanted to just provide the recommendations as I suggested them. One was uh please do not add an item to the agenda with staff recommendation to award a contract if there has been only one responder. [1:07:25, 1:07:28]: unless a good faith effort has been made in soliciting. [1:07:29, 1:07:30]: Participation. [1:07:31, 1:07:44]: by using five methods of advertisement, the Henry Herald, the city's website, the state's procurement registry, direct solicitations, or the new software that the city just acquired for procurement. [1:07:45, 1:07:45]: Um [1:07:46, 1:08:05]: using via emails or text messages, postcards to potential bidders listed on the state's website or the city's suppliers list once it's established and GMA's website. They do allow solicitation advertisements as well. [1:08:05, 1:08:09]: If less than three bids have been received and all efforts have been exhausted. [1:08:09, 1:08:13]: The city manager should present the recommendation to a ward. [1:08:13, 1:08:15]: to mayor and council with justification. [1:08:16, 1:08:17]: Um [1:08:17, 1:08:22]: There should be an exception for products andor services that are sole source. [1:08:23, 1:08:23]: Um [1:08:24, 1:08:31]: The next one is at minimum, present three bidders, prov provide all supporting documents, the tabulation sheets. [1:08:31, 1:08:35]: the registry of responders, including those that have been disqualified. [1:08:36, 1:08:43]: Cost proposals, a copy of the solicitation, written proposals, evaluation sheets, etc. [1:08:43, 1:08:53]: Um, the third one, implement contract administration duties to eliminate and avoid expiring contracts with no advanced notice to mayor and council. [1:08:54, 1:09:01]: I would suggest generating monthly reports of contracts that are due to expire 90 days in advance. [1:09:02, 1:09:15]: Just as we know now, we there will be a lot of contracts that probably will expire December 31st. Those contracts, procurement should be working to uh post those for solicitation. [1:09:15, 1:09:23]: So that way you'll have the 45 days and the 45 days administrative functions by procurement. [1:09:24, 1:09:26]: It will allow them time to do their work. [1:09:27, 1:09:33]: and it would give us time as council to review it by our December council meeting. [1:09:34, 1:09:34]: Um [1:09:35, 1:09:39]: But we don't have a copy of the contract expiration report. [1:09:39, 1:09:40]: So [1:09:41, 1:09:52]: That will delay some things. But nonetheless, um, the city manager, procurement manager should receive a monthly report of contracts that are due to expire between now and the end of the year. [1:09:52, 1:10:00]: Contracts that are due to expire between now and December 31st should be submitted to the city manager no later than October 1st. [1:10:02, 1:10:09]: The city manager and procurement manager will determine which contract requires the execution of competitive bidding. [1:10:10, 1:10:13]: We should all be um pushing competitive bidding. [1:10:14, 1:10:14]: Um [1:10:15, 1:10:19]: That gives procurement 30 to 45 days from October 1st. [1:10:19, 1:10:29]: um to complete the procurement process um by mid-November and make their recommendations to award by our December regular council meeting. [1:10:29, 1:10:37]: before the current contract expires. We shouldn't be extending a lot of contracts because they've expired. [1:10:37, 1:10:38]: Um [1:10:38, 1:10:41]: The fourth one was pertaining to the selection committee. [1:10:41, 1:10:47]: It should comprise of five employees, excluding the city manager and city attorney. [1:10:48, 1:11:04]: One representative from the user department, the others should work in various city departments. No two selection committee members should work in the same department. I think right now, and I believe our city attorney has served on some of our [1:11:04, 1:11:05]: Election committees. [1:11:05, 1:11:06]: Um [1:11:07, 1:11:27]: I'd like for us to change that. But of course those are decisions by the city manager and staff that they can make. But those were suggestions that I was making to improve our process and of course to make sure that we don't give the appearance of impropriety. So that's all. But I would like to make a motion, if I could. [1:11:27, 1:11:27]: Yeah. [1:11:27, 1:11:37]: May I have something please? Let let could you wait, let Ms. Miller speak, please. Okay, so I would like to go back to the item that's on the agenda. [1:11:38, 1:11:47]: Um basically, as it reads, it says sufficient additional time should be established in order to solicit at least three bids. [1:11:47, 1:11:51]: and the bid opening shall be delayed. [1:11:52, 1:12:00]: That needs to change. That undermines the process. That should read the bid closing. [1:12:00, 1:12:02]: Not the big. [1:12:02, 1:12:03]: Opening. [1:12:04, 1:12:05]: That needs to change. [1:12:06, 1:12:07]: The other item. [1:12:07, 1:12:15]: Is that if you read the procurement manual, the procurement manual has functions regarding [1:12:15, 1:12:17]: Contract administration. [1:12:17, 1:12:22]: It it it it also has functions regarding contract renewal process. [1:12:22, 1:12:24]: The selection committee process. [1:12:25, 1:12:28]: It's all in the procurement manual. [1:12:29, 1:12:33]: I just wanted to make sure that the agenda the item that's on the agenda tonight [1:12:34, 1:12:34]: That [1:12:35, 1:12:37]: It does not show bid. [1:12:38, 1:12:41]: Clow bid opening. It needs to stay closing. [1:12:41, 1:12:48]: And if it's the closing, we can use the best practices of posting an addendum as we've always been using. [1:12:48, 1:13:01]: which we post the addendum extending the bid opening date at least 72 hours. I also wanted to add is that most of the items that we do bid is public works contracts. So I just also wanted to state that as well. [1:13:03, 1:13:06]: All right. Okay, one second please. Ms Ms. Gantt, go ahead. [1:13:12, 1:13:12]: Is that [1:13:15, 1:13:21]: Thank you. I understood Councilman Alexander's point. Um and I I heard from Councilwoman Barber. [1:13:22, 1:13:23]: I still say [1:13:26, 1:13:29]: To for me, I'm okay, I can agree with. [1:13:30, 1:13:31]: Other [1:13:31, 1:13:39]: places that we can go ahead and um an you know send announcements of bids, right? Advertisements that [1:13:40, 1:13:41]: We're gonna have this bid. [1:13:41, 1:13:49]: I can see that being published in different places. Although people who businesses normally know to go to the Georgia procurement site. [1:13:49, 1:13:52]: register site. That is normal. [1:13:54, 1:13:55]: However [1:13:56, 1:14:08]: I feel that if we need to go to additional places to put that out, then so be it. Extending the bid process to me is a problem. [1:14:08, 1:14:11]: Because we have deadlines. [1:14:13, 1:14:19]: If the issue is whether or not we're reaching certain businesses, fine, reach them. [1:14:20, 1:14:30]: by adding other places to publish that we're we're we have a bid out, something out for bid, a service out for bid. That's fine. And I've heard those suggestions. [1:14:31, 1:14:35]: But to extend a deadline because we don't have three bids. [1:14:36, 1:14:48]: causes delays and things that we possibly need. Or I I hear it that it may seek encouragement. And I doubt that very seriously. I don't know how many of you have ever put out bids. [1:14:49, 1:14:56]: for for different types of contracts I have and I know that these b and I've seen businesses that do it. [1:14:56, 1:15:02]: And I know that these businesses, small businesses, large businesses, wait to the nineteenth hour. [1:15:03, 1:15:05]: Whether you're gonna get that one or you're gonna get twenty. [1:15:07, 1:15:08]: So [1:15:08, 1:15:27]: Yes, I've read some comments. Yes, we do want the best bang for our buck. Yes, it is important that we go out to the community and look for those best bangs for our bucks. But if we're doing those things, isn't it the responsibility of the businesses that are seeking more business to come and bid? [1:15:28, 1:15:29]: So [1:15:32, 1:15:35]: Also in this ordinance [1:15:36, 1:15:39]: We didn't give a time frame. I just heard seventy two hours. [1:15:41, 1:15:47]: But in that ordinance agreement, there's no time frame. It just says we extend the bid. What do we expend it expend extended to? [1:15:47, 1:16:01]: Do we do a 30-day bid and extend it to 45 days? There's not it it to me it needs a little bit more work if that's what the intent is, is what we're gonna try to do. However, I think that it's the responsibility of a business. [1:16:01, 1:16:06]: Unless we're changing something within it ourselves, the city wants to expand. [1:16:08, 1:16:08]: Um [1:16:09, 1:16:13]: the duties or s expand the description of the bid. [1:16:14, 1:16:15]: That we [1:16:15, 1:16:17]: А фей то. [1:16:18, 1:16:21]: who applied and got their bid in on time. [1:16:22, 1:16:23]: That's all. [1:16:24, 1:16:28]: But I definitely want the best bang for my buck and I don't think that's the process for it. [1:16:29, 1:16:32]: That's why I'm against it. M Ms Holliday, go ahead, please. [1:16:33, 1:16:44]: I needed um Miss Miller to go back in. Can you tell me what that section was so that I can note it in the record that you so on page two of the ordinance? [1:16:45, 1:16:49]: It's on page two of the ordinance in section in section two. [1:16:49, 1:16:51]: It says bid opening. [1:16:52, 1:16:58]: I I have a the uh verbiage, I just needed to go back to the um section. Thank you. Uh it was in section C. [1:16:58, 1:17:00]: Okay, thank you. [1:17:00, 1:17:01]: Right. And it's in two places. [1:17:02, 1:17:04]: It's also on page three. [1:17:09, 1:17:11]: You you you good now, Miss Holliday? [1:17:12, 1:17:15]: Okay. All right. Good. Councilwoman Barber, go ahead, please. [1:17:15, 1:17:26]: Yield to Mr. Knighton. Oh Mr. Knighton, I'm sorry. Go ahead, sir. Yeah, thank you, Mayor. I uh everybody's made uh some uh good solid comments in this discussion, but I felt compelled to mention something. [1:17:26, 1:17:28]: That I think is important to mention. [1:17:29, 1:17:34]: Um when obviously the elected body are policy makers. You make the policy which we implement. [1:17:35, 1:17:39]: Whenever uh a uh elected body member or council person [1:17:39, 1:17:41]: Um or council people. [1:17:42, 1:17:48]: uh come and uh make some suggestion or have a desire to amend or change policy. [1:17:49, 1:17:55]: It's then incumbent upon me to take that to the appropriate staff, have s have the necessary conversation. [1:17:56, 1:18:01]: to try to craft a policy or policies that could be considered by the elected body. [1:18:02, 1:18:05]: Um and I I think in large part that is what has happened. [1:18:06, 1:18:10]: Here. Recommendations that are made obviously by the elected body. [1:18:10, 1:18:20]: Um then as city manager have to work with the staff again to determine if those recommendations should be implemented or if a modified version of those recommendations should be implemented. [1:18:21, 1:18:41]: In every case, it is to ensure that the integrity of the city is maintained in this case in the bidding process, and also to provide a broad range of opportunity for businesses to bid on projects and or on solicitations. And so if we can accomplish that, which I think has been a theme. [1:18:41, 1:18:45]: uh from virtually all of the comments here this evening, if we can accomplish that in a way [1:18:46, 1:18:48]: That broadens the base of bidders. [1:18:48, 1:18:50]: typically you would get a better quality [1:18:51, 1:18:53]: vendor and a better price. [1:18:53, 1:18:59]: And so that is the overarching theme I think that we're also we're all trying to to get to. [1:18:59, 1:19:04]: Um here in this particular situation. I do think the the um um [1:19:05, 1:19:06]: Uh [1:19:06, 1:19:18]: I think Ms. Miller has done a very good job since she's been here as procurement uh manager in place. Um, obviously we always want to look at ways that with which we can improve, and I think the software tool will be an excellent. [1:19:18, 1:19:21]: component of what we're trying to get to. [1:19:21, 1:19:28]: And so I thought it it necessary to mention that um in my role and in staff's role as we try to [1:19:29, 1:19:30]: Um [1:19:30, 1:19:43]: take and discern what council members are seeking in terms of policy and then distill that into some type of ordinance or policy that can be considered by the elected body ultimately for the betterment of the cities and those who are bidding on our projects. [1:19:45, 1:19:46]: All right, thank you, sir. [1:19:46, 1:19:50]: Uh Mari Potem, you're on mute. Is it yeah, you have something you need to say, sir? [1:19:50, 1:19:53]: No. Councilman Barber, back to you. [1:19:53, 1:20:05]: Um so I wanted to go ahead and move um to approve the change to the ordinance, but I'm gonna need some help with um [1:20:05, 1:20:12]: The city attorney. I want to make sure that the ordinance that you have written that you change the language to include [1:20:13, 1:20:21]: uh the terms as Ms. Miller she also pointed out. Um change the term uh from [1:20:21, 1:20:22]: The bid [1:20:22, 1:20:23]: Opening date. [1:20:24, 1:20:27]: Change it to the bid closing date. [1:20:28, 1:20:29]: Which view? [1:20:29, 1:20:31]: affect the bid closing date. [1:20:32, 1:20:49]: So the it this is more of a semantical argument. And so I you know, I'm not gonna follow my sword either way, but the sufficient additional time to receive additional bids, that language is meant to address the issue of extending the closing date. [1:20:50, 1:20:56]: And then the statute says specifically you don't open the bids until that time is done. That that's what's intended. [1:20:57, 1:20:59]: But you know, if if if if if [1:20:59, 1:21:05]: Right. But I know that even in the solicitation, it may spell out the bid opening date. [1:21:06, 1:21:08]: So she needs to know. [1:21:08, 1:21:14]: when she extends the big closing date, she has to also simultaneously [1:21:15, 1:21:16]: And yeah. [1:21:17, 1:21:27]: Right. So that that's why, you know, I I I think it reads fine, but I'm not, you know, I'm not gonna argue the the point any further other than say that, you know, as [1:21:27, 1:21:33]: It's currently drafted. If it's the will of council to even adopt this amendment, it it's worded sufficiently. [1:21:34, 1:21:34]: To [1:21:34, 1:21:38]: a accomplish both the extension of the [1:21:38, 1:21:43]: big closing t time as well as the extension of the date to open the bids, but that [1:21:44, 1:21:44]: You know [1:21:45, 1:21:54]: like any other kind of ordinance, you can always word it a little bit better. And so I I'm open to any further suggestions, but right now I think it reads five. [1:21:54, 1:22:01]: Okay, thank you. Mayor, I'd like to move to approve the proposed amendment to the procurement ordinance. [1:22:02, 1:22:03]: Okay, is there a second? Second. [1:22:04, 1:22:10]: All right, uh I would imagine I'll ask any further discussion. I imagine we had enough, but any further discussion? [1:22:10, 1:22:13]: Okay, if not all in favor of motion, please indicate. [1:22:15, 1:22:17]: Okay. Three opposed. [1:22:19, 1:22:21]: Okay. So it passes three, two. [1:22:22, 1:22:28]: Now it um it's interesting. It is an ordinance. I have to think about this. [1:22:29, 1:22:32]: I believe I believe uh Miss Holliday, I have a 10 day period to think about this. [1:22:34, 1:22:36]: If I wanted to veto anything. [1:22:36, 1:22:39]: Why would you and maybe I should ask the attorney. [1:22:40, 1:22:54]: Yeah, I I'm looking at this the code. I can't remember what the time frame was, but yeah. It is. It is. It's an ordinance. And why would you veto it? Can I ask that? I I said, let me think about it. I'm not gonna answer that question right now. I said, let me think about it. That's what I said. [1:22:54, 1:23:01]: Well, we're having a discussion, so everybody else has voiced their opinion. [1:23:01, 1:23:03]: Okay, thank you very much. Thank you. [1:23:03, 1:23:04]: Right. [1:23:04, 1:23:07]: All right, so anyway, I'll I'll I'll think about that in this aspect. [1:23:08, 1:23:10]: No good night. [1:23:11, 1:23:24]: Well uh all right. I guess you could go if you want want to go in that case. Um all right, so what we're with that's number nine. Uh so we now have a second session. So I need a motion to go to the zeker session, please. [1:23:25, 1:23:25]: Сону [1:23:26, 1:23:31]: Well wait a minute. Please state the please state the reason. Reason why we're going to second session, you're right. [1:23:32, 1:23:35]: It'd be litigation, personnel, and real estate. [1:23:35, 1:23:36]: Okay. [1:23:36, 1:23:37]: Yeah. [1:23:37, 1:23:43]: S person we're make a motion to go into like uh executive session for real estate real estate personnel and litigation. [1:23:43, 1:23:45]: All right. A second. [1:23:45, 1:23:48]: Okay, Ms. Scant, second that okay. All in favor, please indicate. [1:23:49, 1:23:57]: All right, uh all right, so we need additional, um, we're gonna go in a second session, we'll probably get to probably about 10 minutes, look at 10 minute time frame. Would that work? [1:23:58, 1:23:59]: Ten minutes, what time is that? [1:24:00, 1:24:20]: It's uh well let's make it uh how about uh seven forty seven seven forty be fine. Seven forty, thank you. Well seven forty be fine. I'll see you by seven forty and miss Holly is gonna send some additional information to you so we can go to the second session. Thank you. We're leaving this session, is that correct? Well, yeah, we eventually have to come back to this one though, uh because we [1:24:20, 1:24:31]: we have to finish out with this anything we come out of the Zexit session. And then of course I have some comments and we have some meeting updates. So we'll have to come back to this particular um this particular session here. [1:24:32, 1:24:35]: I was please mute. [1:24:35, 1:24:43]: And um stop your video on this if that is the case. Okay, we'll mute and stop the video. All right. What what else, Mr. Knight? I'm sorry. [1:24:43, 1:24:45]: No, that's fine there. Um that's all. [1:24:45, 1:24:45]: Mm-hmm. [1:25:14, 1:25:14]: Mm-hmm.

--- title: September 29 2020 City Council Work Session Meeting Via Zoom date: 2020-09-29 source: 2020-09-29_September_29_2020_City_Council_Work_Session_Meeting_Via_Zoom.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:00]: Do I [0:00:02, 0:00:18]: All right folks, we'll start back recording. We actually have a quorum. So uh we we have a quorum. Uh so I just wanted to make sure so we can get going here. Um on that note, uh there we go. On that note, uh Anita, Council, I need a motion to end our executive session, please. [0:00:19, 0:00:20]: So moved. [0:00:20, 0:00:21]: The second [0:00:22, 0:00:25]: Second. Go on for it, please indicate. [0:00:27, 0:00:28]: Okay, Ms. Gantt. [0:00:30, 0:00:34]: Okay, there you go. Okay, Council, I need a motion to reconvene our [0:00:35, 0:00:36]: Uh work session, please. [0:00:36, 0:00:39]: So move second second. [0:00:40, 0:00:40]: Level. [0:00:41, 0:00:42]: All right, uh [0:00:43, 0:00:44]: All right, all in favor, please indicate. [0:00:46, 0:00:54]: Okay, good. Okay. On that note now, out of our uh second session, we had a couple things that uh we want to bring public that we discussed. [0:00:55, 0:01:00]: And so um Mr. Williams, uh think you have something uh that you need to add here for us as as well. [0:01:01, 0:01:14]: Y yes, sir. Based on the executive session discussion, a motion would be in order to authorize the mayor to sign an intergovernmental agreement and related documents with the downtown development authority related to [0:01:15, 0:01:16]: The downtown property. [0:01:17, 0:01:18]: So move. [0:01:18, 0:01:19]: Okay. [0:01:20, 0:01:25]: All right. Okay. And looks like Councilwoman Barber's coming in. [0:01:27, 0:01:37]: Um there we go. Our motion has been made and and been seconded in reference to the me signing the IGA. Okay. [0:01:37, 0:01:39]: And so all in favor of the motion please indicate. [0:01:40, 0:01:40]: I [0:01:42, 0:01:43]: Okay. [0:01:44, 0:01:52]: And uh okay. I'll just uh just add I need Ms. Gantt to state her vote because she's not present on the screen. [0:01:53, 0:01:54]: Okay, thank you. [0:01:55, 0:01:56]: Okay. [0:01:56, 0:02:10]: So um I believe that passed, Mr. Mayor. I I I didn't see I need to see I'm sorry, uh Mr. Turney. I I didn't see three votes for that actually. Okay, I I I I don't know. So [0:02:10, 0:02:17]: Where's Mr. Blount? Oh, I was uh I mean he's haven't signed in yet. I mean we we uh everybody's here, we got a quorum. [0:02:17, 0:02:19]: Um his aspect [0:02:19, 0:02:21]: Well, it's two to two, you gotta vote. [0:02:22, 0:02:23]: I abstain. [0:02:23, 0:02:25]: Oh, you are staying well this okay. [0:02:26, 0:02:27]: I abstain. [0:02:29, 0:02:43]: Well, you know, I I guess that's pretty unique on uh on that, uh Mr. Williams. If you got uh four v people voting and you have two flavor for that and two a stain, what happens? Do I still get a chance to vote? Technically it's not a tie. Not a tie? Yeah. [0:02:45, 0:02:50]: You sure? Yeah. Legally are you sure? [0:02:52, 0:02:58]: Because I would'cause actually if it if if it was a tie in this aspect, that's what's illegally, I would vote for it. Oh [0:02:58, 0:03:00]: I mean d different [0:03:01, 0:03:06]: um interpretations have been made of that situation over the years. Some [0:03:06, 0:03:11]: judges have said that the effect of the abstentions is that the [0:03:12, 0:03:12]: Куам [0:03:13, 0:03:16]: necessary for a vote goes down. Um, but [0:03:17, 0:03:36]: The problem with that in this case is that the charter says you need the affirmative vote of it of at least three or the mayor if there's a tie. Well that that we're not in a tie situation in that situation. So'cause it'cause what that really means is it's two yes and no other votes. And so that that [0:03:38, 0:03:44]: So either you you you wait to have a third vote or or it just doesn't pass. [0:03:45, 0:03:53]: Okay. Miss uh Miss Barber, you had something else you needed to add in reference to our decisions at the executive uh session. What was that? [0:03:53, 0:03:54]: Yes. [0:03:55, 0:04:00]: I move to authorize the mayor to approve the modified contract. [0:04:00, 0:04:02]: For the city attorney. [0:04:02, 0:04:03]: Okay, is there a second? [0:04:04, 0:04:04]: Second. [0:04:05, 0:04:06]: Okay, all in favor of that please indicate. [0:04:09, 0:04:12]: Um uh Councilwoman Gantt, uh you gonna vote? [0:04:15, 0:04:17]: Councilwoman Gain, we need to hear your vote. [0:04:20, 0:04:22]: I sorry, I gotta unmute. [0:04:23, 0:04:26]: Okay. Give me a second, y'all. No, you we hear you now. [0:04:26, 0:04:32]: Okay, so that's the S the Namis and that that uh piece. And we had a uh third uh [0:04:32, 0:04:36]: A third uh uh uh issue that we had to uh vote on. [0:04:37, 0:04:43]: And um that dealt with our our our actual uh chart, our uh organizational chart. [0:04:44, 0:04:50]: Okay. Oh yes, I make a motion that we um approve these changes to the organizational chart. [0:04:51, 0:04:54]: Uh the main the main street would move [0:04:54, 0:05:14]: From the community development area over to the economic development direct uh director uh up um department immediately. Uh we would have the event staff report to the city manager directly and the position of assistant. [0:05:14, 0:05:15]: City manager. [0:05:15, 0:05:17]: uh would be eliminated. [0:05:17, 0:05:19]: Okay, is there a second to [0:05:19, 0:05:20]: of that motion. [0:05:21, 0:05:22]: I second that. [0:05:23, 0:05:23]: Okay. [0:05:23, 0:05:25]: All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:05:27, 0:05:37]: Okay. Um Okay, so and Councilman Blount, you're now with us. I couldn't get on for some reason w w uh can you restate the motion again? [0:05:37, 0:05:42]: The motion the motion dealt with all the changes what we wanted to make to the the organizational chart. [0:05:45, 0:05:45]: Yeah. [0:05:46, 0:05:47]: Yeah. [0:05:48, 0:05:59]: Mayor, can we go back to the first one stand by one second. Stand by one second, please. Uh Councilman Blount, the motion that we just m made and we voted on dealt with the changes to organizational chart. [0:05:59, 0:06:01]: And and the three stages. [0:06:01, 0:06:02]: That's why. [0:06:02, 0:06:06]: You're you're in favor of that. Yeah, but I couldn't get on. I don't I didn't hear the other motion. [0:06:07, 0:06:07]: Okay. [0:06:08, 0:06:14]: The the last motion we just made will make uh the clerk will make that one a unanimous decision on the organizational chart. Okay. [0:06:16, 0:06:16]: Got that? [0:06:18, 0:06:18]: Mm. [0:06:20, 0:06:30]: Vanessa? I'm sorry. Yes, I have all the changes, yes. Okay, okay, good. So it's the NASC. I have all the changes, yes. Okay, and and it's a the NAMS decision on that one. [0:06:30, 0:06:34]: The first motion dealt with once again, Mr Williams. [0:06:35, 0:06:43]: Oh so Mr. Mayor, no action was taken on on the first motion. So uh if the council deems it so, a motion would be in order. [0:06:43, 0:06:53]: To authorize the mayor to execute an intergovernmental agreement with the downtown development authority in related documentation relative to the sale of a downtown property. [0:06:54, 0:06:55]: Oh move. [0:06:55, 0:06:57]: Is there a second? A second. [0:06:57, 0:07:00]: All right. Now all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:07:02, 0:07:03]: Okay, all posed. [0:07:05, 0:07:06]: Sustained. [0:07:07, 0:07:20]: I abstain. And for the record, um, for the city clerk, will you just add just for the record for me that I have not had the opportunity to review the IGA? [0:07:20, 0:07:22]: that we are proving right now. [0:07:23, 0:07:24]: Just for the record for me. [0:07:28, 0:07:47]: Oh Mayor, with that vote um having passed, then um a motion would potentially be an order um expressing the sense of the council disapproving of any container uh park uh projects within a mile of the downtown area. [0:07:48, 0:07:50]: That's a resolution you're referring to. Is that correct, sir? [0:07:50, 0:07:53]: Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. Second. [0:07:54, 0:07:55]: Correct. [0:07:55, 0:08:01]: Sec second, Mr. Alexander. Ms. Alexander, so uh second that all in favor of that, please indicate. [0:08:02, 0:08:03]: Three [0:08:03, 0:08:05]: Any all polls? [0:08:06, 0:08:06]: Abstain. [0:08:07, 0:08:27]: Okay, so it's three zero two. It passes. Okay, on that note, a few comments from from me. First of all, I like to say that uh in uh citizens, the census collection is very important. It ends tomorrow, tomorrow midnight. So if you haven't already done your census, please do so. You have to go to www.census.gov. [0:08:27, 0:08:28]: Go. [0:08:28, 0:08:48]: All right, it's extremely important. Every individual is worth twenty three hundred dollars for the next ten years. That's helpful for our community, for schools, hospitals, public safety issues. And also it helps determine the amount of state uh state and federal representation representatives we have in our area. So please, if you haven't filled the census, please do so. Tomorrow is the dead. [0:08:48, 0:08:48]: Line. [0:08:51, 0:08:52]: And also by the way [0:08:52, 0:08:57]: The debate's going on right now, which we're missing if you're listening to us, unless you're doing two things at one time. [0:08:58, 0:09:02]: And so that election is on uh November third. Extremely important for you to to vote. [0:09:03, 0:09:08]: So if you haven't registered to vote, you have to do so before October 5th, Monday, October 5th. You have to go register to vote. [0:09:09, 0:09:13]: Early voting begins on October twelfth. Go from October twelfth to October thirtieth. [0:09:14, 0:09:19]: And if you want to do an after T ballot, unfortunately, if you haven't already done, it's too late. That deadline has passed. [0:09:19, 0:09:20]: All right, so [0:09:20, 0:09:22]: If you want to vote early. [0:09:23, 0:09:26]: Anywhere from October twelfth to october sixteenth, you can do that. [0:09:26, 0:09:29]: in McDonough from eight AM to five PM [0:09:29, 0:09:32]: Okay, you can do it in Madonna at 40 Atlanta Street. [0:09:32, 0:09:33]: All right. [0:09:33, 0:09:42]: October nineteenth to the twenty third, you can do that at Merle Manors Conference Center, seven AM to seven PM. That's one eleven Davis Road, right here in Stockbridge, right? [0:09:43, 0:09:48]: Saturday, October twenty fourth, early voting, seven AM to four PM at Merrill Manners Conference Center. [0:09:49, 0:09:56]: And October twenty sixth, October thirty, seven AM to seven PM. October twenty sixth, October thirty thirty, seven AM to seven PM. [0:09:57, 0:09:58]: At Merlman's Conference Center. [0:09:59, 0:10:08]: If you haven't registered, please do so. You have a few more days to do that. It's extremely important. Too many people have given their lives or the hard work and efforts. [0:10:08, 0:10:12]: A time to for the constitution your constitutional right to vote. Please do so. [0:10:12, 0:10:13]: You you're a control. [0:10:14, 0:10:16]: As a citizen, please vote. [0:10:17, 0:10:18]: Public health department. [0:10:18, 0:10:21]: All right, COVID nineteen, coronavirus is still here. [0:10:22, 0:10:26]: All right. So if you need to take a a free uh test. [0:10:26, 0:10:30]: You can easily do that by making a phone call and schedule an appointment eight hundred. [0:10:30, 0:10:33]: eight four four four four four seven four two two two two two two two two two two six seven once again eight hundred. [0:10:33, 0:10:38]: eight four seven four two six seven. You make an appointment, you go to Heritage Senior Center. [0:10:39, 0:10:42]: In Madonna at ten fifty Florence McGuerty Boulevard. [0:10:43, 0:10:44]: On Monday [0:10:44, 0:10:45]: Wednesday [0:10:46, 0:10:46]: Thursday. [0:10:47, 0:10:53]: And Friday, eight AM to one PM. Once again, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, eight AM to one PM. [0:10:53, 0:10:54]: Tuesday. [0:10:55, 0:11:01]: 8 a.m. to 1 p.m. or 2 PM to 7 PM. Free test. [0:11:01, 0:11:09]: Call for co for COVID nineteen. Tuesday, eight AM to one PM or two PM to seven PM. And I'll tell you what, it's free of charge. [0:11:10, 0:11:11]: You know. [0:11:11, 0:11:14]: And make sure you wear your mask. Three Ws Wear your mask. [0:11:14, 0:11:18]: Wash your hands. If you don't have you can't wash your hands, use hand sanitizer till you can get a chance to wash your hands. [0:11:19, 0:11:28]: And stay at least six feet away from folks when you're out in public. Do the best you can. Gotta squa it's gotta squash this virus until we get a vaccination out here and we get [0:11:28, 0:11:30]: Everybody gets vaccinated, so it's still important. [0:11:31, 0:11:33]: I actually had some proclamations. [0:11:34, 0:11:48]: That are overdue that I was gonna read tonight. But I'm opting not to do that now and wait till our next meeting because obviously plenty of us probably want to watch with long meeting, want to watch the debates. Extremely important to do that. So on that note, if you don't mind counseling, ask for a motion to adjourn the meeting. [0:11:49, 0:11:50]: I'm moved. [0:11:51, 0:11:51]: Is our second? [0:11:53, 0:11:53]: Is there a second? [0:11:54, 0:11:57]: A second. All right. All in favor, please indicate. [0:11:59, 0:11:59]: Right. [0:12:00, 0:12:01]: Good night, everybody. [0:12:01, 0:12:02]: Yeah.

--- title: August 25 2020 Work Session Meeting date: 2020-08-25 source: 2020-08-25_August_25_2020_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:07]: I have 601. So call the meeting in order. This will be the council work session for August 25th. [0:00:08, 0:00:10]: And Mr. Knight, could you please give us the invocation, sir? [0:00:12, 0:00:13]: Yes, yes, mayor. [0:00:13, 0:00:15]: May we bow our heads of prayer. [0:00:16, 0:00:20]: Heavenly Father, we are so thankful to be in your presence. We [0:00:21, 0:00:23]: Count it a privilege and a blessing. [0:00:23, 0:00:24]: Got to [0:00:24, 0:00:29]: Live in a nation where we can share ideas, where we can enjoy freedoms. [0:00:30, 0:00:31]: And liberties. [0:00:31, 0:00:36]: And we are indeed thankful, God, for your blessings and your presence with us. [0:00:36, 0:00:41]: We pray your blessings upon our nation. We pray for those who are hurting. [0:00:42, 0:00:46]: Those in need of comfort, those who are in need of love. [0:00:46, 0:00:53]: We pray God that we exemplify all of the character and attributes that are embodied in your love for us. [0:00:54, 0:00:56]: That we express that love one to another. [0:00:57, 0:00:59]: And that we support one анато. [0:01:00, 0:01:01]: That we love one another. [0:01:02, 0:01:06]: And God, we pray that your blessings shall be upon us this evening. [0:01:06, 0:01:10]: Bless everyone who is joining this meeting. We pray your blessing of wisdom. [0:01:11, 0:01:14]: And strength for our elected body. [0:01:14, 0:01:20]: We pray that you bless them and their families as they carry forth the important duties of governance. [0:01:20, 0:01:23]: We pray God that you bless the city of Stockbridge. [0:01:23, 0:01:25]: And bless our nation. [0:01:25, 0:01:29]: And we are so thankful in your Son Jesus Christ, the name [0:01:29, 0:01:30]: Our saviour [0:01:31, 0:01:31]: Amen. [0:01:32, 0:01:34]: Amen. [0:01:34, 0:01:37]: Can everybody please stand for the uh Pledge of Allegiance? [0:01:40, 0:01:43]: One, two, three. I pledge allegiance. [0:01:43, 0:01:46]: Nice here, okay. [0:01:46, 0:01:49]: And to republic for which it stands. [0:01:50, 0:01:52]: One is [0:01:53, 0:01:54]: Yeah, visible. [0:01:54, 0:01:57]: But liberty and justice. [0:02:00, 0:02:02]: And click roll call, please. [0:02:02, 0:02:04]: Mayor Ford. Present. [0:02:05, 0:02:07]: Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. [0:02:07, 0:02:08]: Present. [0:02:08, 0:02:09]: Councilman Alexander. [0:02:13, 0:02:14]: Councilman Alexander. [0:02:16, 0:02:17]: Mm-hmm. [0:02:18, 0:02:20]: Councilwoman Barber. [0:02:20, 0:02:21]: Is it? [0:02:21, 0:02:23]: Councilman Blount. [0:02:23, 0:02:24]: Present. [0:02:24, 0:02:26]: And Councilwoman Gantt. [0:02:26, 0:02:27]: Present. [0:02:28, 0:02:34]: Mayor Fordy have a quorum. Thank you very much. Now uh council, I need a motion uh to accept the agenda. [0:02:35, 0:02:43]: Now, Mayor Pro Tem, you mentioned something about a consensus gender. I had no idea what that is and what that encompasses. Um, but uh I do need a motion to accept the agenda. [0:02:44, 0:02:48]: Uh Mayor Ford, I'd like to motion to amend the agenda. [0:02:49, 0:02:51]: To add a consent agenda. [0:02:51, 0:02:53]: For items four [0:02:55, 0:02:56]: Five [0:02:57, 0:02:57]: Eight. [0:02:59, 0:02:59]: Nine [0:03:00, 0:03:01]: And twelve. [0:03:07, 0:03:12]: Okay, four, five, eight, nine, and twelve, you say. [0:03:12, 0:03:15]: That's correct. To amend the gender for that. [0:03:15, 0:03:18]: Consent agenda. Consent agenda, right. [0:03:18, 0:03:21]: Are is there s is there a um [0:03:21, 0:03:22]: A second to that? [0:03:27, 0:03:28]: Is there a second tip? [0:03:29, 0:03:32]: Was that Councilwoman Gantt? Yes, I think it was. [0:03:33, 0:03:33]: All right. [0:03:37, 0:03:43]: All in favor of that uh that amendment to the agenda to have the consent agenda items is indicated. [0:03:45, 0:03:45]: Bye. [0:03:47, 0:03:47]: One [0:03:48, 0:03:49]: Two. [0:03:49, 0:03:51]: Uh Mayor? Yes, sir. [0:03:51, 0:03:56]: I was trying to uh in a discussion phase on that since you got a second. [0:03:56, 0:03:58]: I was trying to pull up the [0:03:58, 0:04:00]: Uh my agenda on the other [0:04:01, 0:04:10]: Okay, I'll tell you what. How about this? How about this? Number four deals with council consideration to approve the purchase of a [0:04:10, 0:04:30]: 19,500 uh GW G VW chassis with the rugby box dump truck uh for the um public works. Number five deals council consideration approved the pine grove subdivision phase two and phase three streetlight petition annual cost of four thousand eight hundred and thirty-five dollars and fifty-four cents, and that would be general fund. [0:04:30, 0:04:39]: And that's presented by Mr. Aaron as well. Number eight deals with council consideration to amend the city's social media policy. [0:04:40, 0:04:42]: And that's uh Mr. Williams would uh present that. [0:04:43, 0:05:03]: And uh number nine was a council consideration to approve the use of test stricken community center for blood drives. And um councilwoman barber is going to present that. And number twelve deals with uh council consideration to approve a card and sloop task order number twenty-three for annual wastewater monitoring and reporting. [0:05:03, 0:05:06]: Years uh twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three. [0:05:07, 0:05:11]: an amount of sixty one thousand two hundred dollars. Funding source would be the sewer budget. [0:05:11, 0:05:13]: And that also was presented by Mr. Aaron. [0:05:13, 0:05:14]: And Brad Holser. [0:05:15, 0:05:18]: Those are the items that he's put on the Cassandra general to [0:05:18, 0:05:22]: If once if once approved and and passed, all those items would be a go. [0:05:23, 0:05:27]: Well my uh uh my discussion on that on those items is [0:05:28, 0:05:31]: Is that when we talk about equipment for public works? [0:05:32, 0:05:32]: Um [0:05:33, 0:05:40]: the equipment that is needed, we this this council uh uh as a consensus from this council, not I voted against it. [0:05:41, 0:05:46]: just disapproved an a uh th twenty thirty three year piece of equipment that was needed for public works. [0:05:47, 0:05:55]: Now we got another piece of equipment for public works that's in here. So I would like that to be voted on. Also, when we talk about the lighting, the lighting portion. [0:05:55, 0:05:56]: Uh [0:05:56, 0:05:58]: Pertaining to a subdivision. [0:05:58, 0:06:02]: Our budget was three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. We went over fifty thousand dollars. [0:06:02, 0:06:20]: over that budget. We we're over four hundred thousand dollars paying for lighting. And I thought that this city would new developments and any developments come. We talked about those developments being used, uh that that the the cost of lighting would go on those developments because if the c city continue to go down this line [0:06:20, 0:06:27]: of d of developing paying for lights for developments, we're gonna be budgeting over a million dollars here pretty soon with the with with uh [0:06:28, 0:06:33]: house uh with projects that are coming in, we're gonna be budgeting over a million dollars paying for lighting when that should be. [0:06:33, 0:06:37]: on the on those new development communities. So I I'm not for that. [0:06:37, 0:06:39]: for all of this being a line item because I think that [0:06:40, 0:06:44]: What need to be had is the discussion on some of those items that we're talking about putting on the line item. [0:06:44, 0:06:53]: And and it I don't think it should go there because I think this council needs to know how much we're paying right now. We paid over$400,000 for lightings for communities. [0:06:53, 0:06:56]: And when we talk about new development, I don't think it should be on the line either. [0:06:57, 0:07:17]: Uh Mr. Mayor. Okay, one one sec one second, Mayor Protein, if you don't mind. Uh item number four is old business. We've already discussed that about the council consideration to for that uh dunk truck chassis. That was what we discussed, if I understand correctly, at the last last meeting and came back because there was a deadline in reference to the uh contract and when and the fact that the public works needed it. [0:07:17, 0:07:27]: All right. And and that's what that one comes from. That's old it's on the old business. So we discussed this once before. All the other uh things that are on the uh the consent agenda or the motion are all new business items. [0:07:28, 0:07:35]: Okay. Now I'm sorry. Uh Mayor Potem, go ahead, please. Um since since there is a need for discussion on a couple of those items. [0:07:36, 0:07:40]: I can withdraw um those issues that of concern. [0:07:40, 0:07:43]: Uh for discussion. So it seems that [0:07:43, 0:07:45]: That's uh agenda item. [0:07:46, 0:07:47]: Five. [0:07:47, 0:08:06]: Uh Councilman Blount mentioned another one. I don't know if it's uh agenda item four. So if you need to discuss uh four and five, I can take those two. I'm I'm ske I'm sorry, Mayor Protein. I'm still trying to pull mine up on this electronic. What date was it sent, Vanessa? The agenda I can maybe pull it up that way. [0:08:08, 0:08:09]: I wanna say [0:08:11, 0:08:12]: Thursday. [0:08:13, 0:08:15]: Not this Thursday, the Thursday before. [0:08:16, 0:08:17]: Right. Okay. [0:08:17, 0:08:18]: No [0:08:19, 0:08:25]: Why is looking for that? One second please. Why he's looking for that deal? Look, item number eight deals with the social media policy. [0:08:25, 0:08:33]: If if we do a consent agenda and say we approve that, we don't haven't talked about how you're going to amend it. I would think you need to talk about if you're going to amend it, how is that going to be amended? [0:08:34, 0:08:52]: uh in in this aspect. And then uh council consideration for Test Strickland uh building now the community center, Councilman Barber wants to present that, but the question I have is I thought we came up with a policy in reference to the use of the pub of the public buildings, so such as Test Strickland and Merrill Manors. So [0:08:53, 0:08:56]: in that aspect that's that's my my thoughts on this uh [0:08:56, 0:08:58]: Councilman Alexandra, go ahead, please. [0:08:58, 0:09:06]: Yeah, my internet connection has been kinda up and down. I lost the meeting a couple of times. I just want to make sure that the motion was second. [0:09:07, 0:09:08]: But Councilman Thomas, was there a second? [0:09:09, 0:09:18]: Yes, there was. Yes, by Miss Gander, Councilwoman Gander. Because I was gonna second that. And I just wanna make uh some clarifications on a couple of the points on these. [0:09:18, 0:09:24]: In terms of uh what uh Councilman Blount was concerned about, when these homes come into the subdivision. [0:09:24, 0:09:44]: They pay property taxes. So what it is is that this is part of uh an extension of the prime grown subdivision. So it's not anything special that they're getting any subdivision inside the city. Uh we pay for their lights. So uh with this particular one, if there's a hundred homes in that subdivision, they're paying property taxes. [0:09:44, 0:10:04]: property tax on a hundred homes which in which in turn pays for their street lighting. So I I just want to make sure that we understand that when these homes come in a subdivided, when they do come in that they are actually paid for by those homeowners through their property taxes. So Mr Lightning [0:10:04, 0:10:21]: Hold on one second. Those increase jump one second. Those increases uh in the property tax digest would offset uh those particular costs for any new neighborhood that we annexed or they decided to uh expand uh on into the city. [0:10:22, 0:10:24]: Mr. Mayor, clarification please. [0:10:24, 0:10:26]: Go r go right here, sir. Uh [0:10:27, 0:10:31]: If there's a need to discuss and which that seems that's what we're doing. [0:10:32, 0:10:35]: It's just easy to to remove these from the consent agenda. [0:10:36, 0:10:40]: So that it can be a discussion, even though we're discussing them now. [0:10:40, 0:10:42]: It it would be easier. [0:10:43, 0:10:59]: If we just remove those so w when they come up with the agenda, if you want to discuss them, then you can agenda discuss them. Well well, that'd be fine if you want to take you the one to write the motion. If you want to I just it just seems that there need to be some some discussion. So I I would think that would be helpful to have discussion on all these items. [0:10:59, 0:11:05]: Okay, so uh let me go back to uh councilman Blount. I know he wanted to uh discuss [0:11:06, 0:11:13]: Um five, which deal with pine grove. And then I think it was another one, uh, Councilman Blount that you wanted to discuss. [0:11:16, 0:11:23]: We we were discussing equipment, but uh but uh Councilman Landna, I just wanna before we get too far sidebared on this. [0:11:24, 0:11:27]: Uh and I uh Mr. Knighton, if you want to kind of home in on this. [0:11:27, 0:11:32]: Because my understanding that that the tax that are being paid by taxpayers [0:11:32, 0:11:36]: Is that doesn't include Georgia Powell for what we're doing. Is that correct or incorrect? [0:11:39, 0:11:45]: The street lightings that are paid for for subdivisions and throughout the city are coming out of the city's general fund. [0:11:46, 0:11:51]: Uh uh maybe Councilman Alexander was alluding to the fact that when new homes are built they pay county [0:11:51, 0:11:56]: property taxes, which increases the the overall sit city tax digest. [0:11:56, 0:11:59]: And overall county tax just digest, but the [0:12:00, 0:12:10]: the cost of street lighting is coming out of our general fund. But I'm but I'm saying with the ta with with the tax m Councilman Alexander was talking about, I wanna find what's the connection [0:12:11, 0:12:13]: to what we're paying for lighting. [0:12:14, 0:12:34]: Well let me let me mention this. This is all the more reason why I mean I wish we would discuss what that we want to put amendments on, you know, change the amendment and consensus agenda sometime before we got to this point. Uh but we are discussing it now. And and so really, I mean, if if you're gonna take anything off the consent agenda, please do so so we can move on with the meeting here. [0:12:34, 0:12:35]: I mean really [0:12:35, 0:12:36]: So [0:12:36, 0:12:39]: Um in this aspect. Uh so [0:12:40, 0:12:42]: If it is the pledge of the council [0:12:43, 0:12:47]: We will remove uh agenda item five. [0:12:48, 0:12:50]: Which is the Pine Grove issue. [0:12:50, 0:12:58]: Um and I wanted to get the other one from uh Mayor uh from uh Councilman Blount. It was You mentioned you mentioned number four. [0:12:59, 0:13:00]: You mentioned number six before. [0:13:01, 0:13:03]: Yes, yep, yes. Go ahead, who who's that? [0:13:03, 0:13:17]: That's Councilwoman Gantt. Go ahead, Matt Gantt. I'm sorry. I'll get to you. I'm after looking at the agenda, I didn't realize the social media policy is one of them for consent. I'd like that I would like that removed as well. [0:13:18, 0:13:19]: D [0:13:19, 0:13:26]: Mr Mayor, what I'll do I I'll just withdraw the uh the total uh motion for the uh consent agenda. [0:13:26, 0:13:32]: Okay, I appreciate that. I need on that note, I need a motion to uh uh to adopt the agenda as written, please. [0:13:33, 0:13:33]: So move. [0:13:34, 0:13:35]: There's second. [0:13:35, 0:13:36]: A second. [0:13:36, 0:13:38]: All right, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:13:40, 0:13:47]: Okay, all right, thank you very much. On that note, we'll move on. Review the minutes for the following meetings. We had the July thirteenth council meeting. [0:13:47, 0:13:50]: And the July twentieth uh council work session. [0:13:50, 0:13:55]: You hopefully rev you review those, we'll see those back at our next meeting and we'll approve them. [0:13:56, 0:13:59]: Uh at that next meeting. All right. So you have them to review. [0:13:59, 0:14:01]: On that note, uh [0:14:02, 0:14:06]: Clerk uh holiday, Miss Holiday, uh we have any public comments? [0:14:07, 0:14:14]: I I need to confirm with IT whether or not we have the gentleman that did want to speak in public comments. [0:14:16, 0:14:18]: On the line as a participant. [0:14:20, 0:14:25]: Think I see him show up here. I think he showed up. Mr. Jackson, I believe. Mr. Jackson, yes. [0:14:32, 0:14:35]: Mr. Jackson, oh there I see his name. Mr. Jackson. [0:14:35, 0:14:36]: Can you hear me? [0:14:37, 0:14:41]: Yeah, I got you, sir. Go ahead. You have three minutes, sir, if you don't mind. Go ahead with your public comment, please. [0:14:41, 0:14:43]: Good evening, Mayor Council, how are you? [0:14:43, 0:14:44]: Good evening. [0:14:46, 0:14:49]: Um I just I won't I won't take all three minutes. I just wanted to uh [0:14:50, 0:14:54]: I'm getting feedback. Can you guys hear me clearly? We we hear you, sir. Great. Yes. [0:14:55, 0:15:03]: Okay, uh I won't take up too much of your time. I just wanted to share a few things with you about Pine Growth Subdivision. Of course, you guys know last summer. [0:15:04, 0:15:09]: Uh we came to you guys for your support regarding the community and the HOA, so on and so forth. [0:15:09, 0:15:15]: And what we've done from that point is we've had legal resources and we now have control of the community. [0:15:16, 0:15:20]: But what we're trying to do is we're trying to put our community back together. [0:15:20, 0:15:22]: In doing so, we were uh [0:15:23, 0:15:26]: We submitted petitions regarding the street lights. [0:15:26, 0:15:31]: Uh the phase three that you guys are referring to was started back in two thousand fifteen. [0:15:32, 0:15:37]: And it never went on to the agenda. So we are asking Mayor and Council to consider [0:15:37, 0:15:40]: uh putting the the the street lights [0:15:40, 0:15:43]: on the monthly bill so that we won't have to [0:15:44, 0:15:45]: Yeah, the [0:15:45, 0:15:47]: the responsibility of doing so. [0:15:47, 0:15:51]: And I think that it's fair considering any other communities that are being built. [0:15:51, 0:15:55]: Right. Uh the city will foot the bill for the street lights. [0:15:55, 0:15:57]: Also one other thing [0:15:58, 0:16:05]: Uh the builders are kind of on their way out now. We have about seven lots that are left and they have destroyed our community, not maintaining the lots. [0:16:06, 0:16:11]: They tore the street and we were asking if we could get some support from you guys regarding [0:16:11, 0:16:14]: the silver star I have C seed [0:16:15, 0:16:22]: uh Mr. Knighton on emails and pictures showing him that there were wild animals such as snakes [0:16:22, 0:16:26]: in those common areas and we would like to know what you guys could do. [0:16:27, 0:16:29]: To support us regarding that as well. [0:16:30, 0:16:31]: Thank you. That's all I have. [0:16:31, 0:16:34]: Thank you, sir. We're checking and I appreciate your comments, sir. [0:16:34, 0:16:54]: Uh Ms. Holliday, any other public comments at all? There were no other comments. Okay, on that note, we'll move on to our discussion. Our discussion deals with uh council consideration to approve a resolution for the city, municipal, and court polling locations. And it has here presented by Ms. Holliday, Mr. Williams, uh Amika Pitts. [0:16:54, 0:16:55]: Um [0:16:55, 0:17:02]: Patrick Jossetter, if he's online, and Donna McBride, I'll part of the elections board as well. Election Board's chair, please. [0:17:03, 0:17:07]: Yes, Mayor and Council, we also have on the line on this item [0:17:07, 0:17:10]: Um poll coordinator Brooke Schreiner. [0:17:10, 0:17:11]: Uh with the county. [0:17:11, 0:17:12]: Glad to see you, Brooke. [0:17:13, 0:17:17]: Okay. So as a matter of reference, I wanna give some background to this item. [0:17:18, 0:17:22]: City or municipal elections take place every two years, an odd number of years. [0:17:23, 0:17:25]: The exception would be a special election. [0:17:26, 0:17:29]: County and state elections are held an even number of years. [0:17:30, 0:17:38]: Again, the exception would be a special election or the SPLOS referendum, which takes place every five years and is scheduled to take place again. [0:17:38, 0:17:40]: in twenty twenty three. [0:17:40, 0:17:42]: In November twenty nineteen. [0:17:43, 0:17:48]: During the Stockbridge municipal election cycle, a countywide Splos Five referendum [0:17:49, 0:17:52]: was included on the ballot which created a situation [0:17:52, 0:17:56]: where both the city election and county wide election were held at the same time. [0:17:57, 0:18:06]: Voters who participated in early voting were able to cast their ballots for the city election and county splot five referendum in the same location. [0:18:07, 0:18:08]: However, on election day [0:18:09, 0:18:15]: Voters cast ballots for the city municipal election at the designated polling office assigned for the city. [0:18:15, 0:18:20]: And had to travel to the county designated polling offices to cast ballots for the county. [0:18:21, 0:18:22]: Plus five referendum. [0:18:23, 0:18:28]: Henry County Elections Board approved a resolution earlier this year, urging the Stockbridge City Council [0:18:29, 0:18:33]: to adopt a resolution aligning city voting procin precincts with [0:18:34, 0:18:37]: those for state and county elections and to work with the reapportionment. [0:18:38, 0:18:41]: And both the city and county attorneys would complete that required work. [0:18:43, 0:18:52]: The Georgia Elections Code twenty one dash two dash two sixty B states that the governing body of each municipality shall determine and establish the number of of boundaries. [0:18:53, 0:18:55]: of municipal voting precincts. [0:18:56, 0:19:03]: His shall establish rather the boundaries of municipal voting precincts in accordance with the provisions of this article. [0:19:03, 0:19:05]: And so far as practicable. [0:19:05, 0:19:11]: the precincts shall be the same as those for the state and county elections. [0:19:12, 0:19:15]: Municipal polling locations are required. [0:19:15, 0:19:18]: to be within the city limits of that municipality. [0:19:19, 0:19:28]: In the City of Stockbridge, there are three city county election polling offices located within the City of Stockbridge boundaries. [0:19:29, 0:19:31]: Those are the conference center. [0:19:31, 0:19:34]: Stockbridge First United Methodist Church. [0:19:34, 0:19:37]: And Red Oak United Methodist Church. [0:19:38, 0:19:43]: Should the council elect to move forward with allocating additional polling offices, please keep in mind. [0:19:43, 0:19:48]: Voters will be assigned to those polling precincts by the Justice Department. [0:19:48, 0:19:51]: Voters would not be able to vote at either [0:19:52, 0:19:57]: or locations on election day, it would have to be one or the other. [0:19:59, 0:20:07]: Southbridge First United Methodist Church is an eligible location. However, it is located within very close proximity to the Merrill Manders Conference Center. [0:20:08, 0:20:12]: Red Oak United Methodist Church is the other eligible location. [0:20:13, 0:20:17]: Should the Red Oak United Methodist Church polling location be approved, the city would [0:20:17, 0:20:19]: Then be split in half. [0:20:20, 0:20:23]: Half of his voters being assigned to the Merrill Manders Conference Center. [0:20:24, 0:20:28]: And the other have been assigned to Red Oak United Methodist Church. [0:20:29, 0:20:30]: And this [0:20:30, 0:20:33]: is for city elections. [0:20:34, 0:20:41]: The current cost of a city election that we currently hold at the Merrill Manager Conference Center, which includes early voting. [0:20:42, 0:20:46]: And election day voting is approximately twenty thousand dollars. [0:20:46, 0:20:48]: Adding a precinct. [0:20:48, 0:20:51]: For election day voting only. [0:20:51, 0:20:54]: Would cost approximately fifteen hundred to two thousand dollars. [0:20:55, 0:20:57]: However, if you would like to add an additional precinct. [0:20:58, 0:21:01]: for early voting and election day voting. [0:21:01, 0:21:05]: Again, that cost is approximately twenty thousand dollars. [0:21:05, 0:21:09]: And I'll yield for anyone else that's on the panel on this item. [0:21:10, 0:21:10]: to [0:21:11, 0:21:13]: add anything at this point. [0:21:15, 0:21:18]: Ms. McBride, do you have anything, ma'am, that you need to add to this, please? [0:21:21, 0:21:25]: Yes, I I certainly um agree with what uh [0:21:25, 0:21:29]: Miss Holliday has said, and we're here to just see how we can. [0:21:29, 0:21:33]: Help the citizens of Stockbridge so that they would not have to [0:21:33, 0:21:36]: go to two sites to vote and it can be done. [0:21:37, 0:21:39]: At one side, if possible, so [0:21:39, 0:21:43]: I do have staff here to help us talk about it. [0:21:43, 0:21:47]: To see exactly if there's anything that we can help the city of Stockholm. [0:21:47, 0:21:51]: With so that we will be able to ensure that the citizens [0:21:51, 0:21:55]: can um vote at one location. I'm I'm so sorry. I see [0:21:55, 0:22:15]: Is that Mr. Alexander's hand up? I'll I'll take care of that in just a second, ma'am, if you don't mind. I'll take care of it. Okay, thank you. Okay. Now make sure I understand on this. Right now we have three sites within the city limits for city municipal elections. And um and both uh Red Oak and Merrill Manor so separate pretty pretty decent size uh several miles. [0:22:15, 0:22:22]: Five four or five miles apart. All right. And so they have the red they're used for municipal elections and they're used for county elections both. Is that correct? [0:22:26, 0:22:30]: No. Which sites? Red Oak and Merle Manors. [0:22:31, 0:22:36]: Red O Romanders is the only location right now for the city election on election day. [0:22:37, 0:22:38]: Okay. On a lecture joke. [0:22:39, 0:22:44]: and Stockbridge First United Methodist Church are county polling sites. [0:22:45, 0:22:46]: Currently. [0:22:46, 0:22:47]: Okay. [0:22:47, 0:22:50]: County o county police sites only currently. [0:22:53, 0:23:00]: Correct. And then and with state and other elections that we might have during that same time, yes. But the current only city [0:23:00, 0:23:05]: Poland location currently is the Merrill Manders Conference Center. [0:23:05, 0:23:16]: Okay. Thank you. Miss Alexander, go ahead please. Uh yeah, I think um all of us who went through the last election cycle understand we need multiple sites. [0:23:16, 0:23:22]: for us to vote at because at seven o'clock we had a hundred and fifty people in line. [0:23:23, 0:23:35]: on election night waiting and several of those people walked out of line. It's extremely important that we have multiple locations. Uh it'd be great if those uh individuals along Walt Stevens Road. [0:23:36, 0:23:40]: could simply go over to Red Out uh United Methodist Church. [0:23:40, 0:24:00]: uh and uh and vote uh in the city election uh as well. Uh I I do understand that the First United Methodist Church uh is close to Merrill Manders and they're very close, but the idea is to have multiple sites and this is only for one day. I would not recommend early voting uh [0:24:00, 0:24:05]: be at these additional locations, just election day polling'cause early voting [0:24:05, 0:24:25]: Uh we'll have that at Merrill Manders and uh that will be good enough because most people the line is not too long. But on election day I just recall what we saw and the fiasco that we saw on election night. Literally the the the line was snaked out there. Mr. Knight and Miss Moore were out there trying to [0:24:25, 0:24:45]: To uh uh coordinate what was going on long past seven o'clock because everybody had to come to the same polling site. So it is urgent that we have multiple polling sites uh so that these uh that everybody can get to vote. And again, you know, we have a lot of people to come vote out of Monarch Village and along [0:24:45, 0:24:54]: and Walt Stevens, if they could go to their polling location at Red Oak, that would be ideal, relieving the burden off of the primary uh facility. [0:24:56, 0:24:58]: Mayor. Yeah, go right in, Vanessa. [0:24:58, 0:25:07]: If I may respond to that, what you need to keep in mind, Councilman Alexander, is for each of the polling sites, and correct me, um Amika or Brooke. [0:25:07, 0:25:10]: But for each of those polling sites. [0:25:10, 0:25:13]: The Justice Department will assign. [0:25:14, 0:25:19]: citizens to those particular polling sites. So we would need [0:25:19, 0:25:21]: To do the messaging. [0:25:21, 0:25:27]: to get it out that they will no longer be voting at Merrill Manders, which is what they're accustomed to. [0:25:28, 0:25:28]: Then [0:25:29, 0:25:35]: It will be split. And if we add the church, if we add Stockbridge First United Methodist, that's three. [0:25:36, 0:25:39]: And it would be split three ways. [0:25:39, 0:25:59]: instead of two. So just keep that in mind when when you um uh make your decision. Well I perfectly understand and I and I thank you for that excellent explanation. It was thorough and it was detailed, but voters are used to voting at a particular precinct on election day. So this is this is just we're catching up with what the times are. [0:25:59, 0:26:19]: So if the voter gets on their voter card, which they will get a voter card that tells them they need to go to Red Oak United Methodist Church to vote on election day for city elections going forward, they will adjust to that. And trust me, they will be more happy than that than waiting out there for 150 people to vote. [0:26:19, 0:26:39]: I know personally I'm not running in the upcoming election, but I lost several votes for people who got tired of waiting and they didn't want to wait anymore. And that is voter suppression at its best. So this is what this is about is uh a voter suppression measure to la alleviate the pressure off of one voting precinct in a city with uh with thirty [0:26:39, 0:26:40]: thousand residents. [0:26:41, 0:26:52]: Uh Brooke, go right here. I see your hand up, ma'am. Yes, okay. As we are the ones who just conduct y'all's election, it's mainly up to what y'all want to do, but just keep mindful. [0:26:52, 0:27:03]: your flippin' voters that are in the city limits, your county election people that go to Hickory Flat, which is Tabernacle Appraise, they still will have to go to two different locations. [0:27:04, 0:27:12]: Um your Pates Creek voters that vote there on election day that are in the city limits. Then they will also have to still go to two locations on election day. [0:27:13, 0:27:16]: Well why would they have to go to two locations? [0:27:17, 0:27:21]: Because those polling locations are not within your city limits. They are outside. [0:27:23, 0:27:23]: Yeah. [0:27:24, 0:27:26]: Ms. Gantt, go ahead, please. [0:27:26, 0:27:30]: Okay, but the my first comment is not really a question. [0:27:30, 0:27:31]: Um [0:27:31, 0:27:33]: And then I have a question following up. [0:27:34, 0:27:41]: I am concerned at how is it that we can maybe someone can a answer this question. [0:27:41, 0:27:42]: Um [0:27:42, 0:27:43]: How is it? [0:27:44, 0:27:46]: that during the [0:27:46, 0:27:51]: early election we can go to any polling precinct that's open. [0:27:51, 0:27:53]: in boat, whether you lived in [0:27:54, 0:27:57]: Stockbridge, Hampton, McDonough, you name it. [0:27:57, 0:28:09]: But then the complication sets in when it's on boting day and we literally have to go to our voting precinct and may have to go to two different voting locations. [0:28:09, 0:28:11]: Why can't we fix that? [0:28:12, 0:28:19]: What there is is there some illegal is it something illegal? Because to me that is voter suppression. [0:28:20, 0:28:27]: And I can literally having to and I'm I'm sorry. W the fact that we are literally having [0:28:27, 0:28:32]: to we know that it can be done because it's done as early voting. [0:28:32, 0:28:38]: So why is it that on voting day that everyone has this confusion? [0:28:39, 0:28:42]: I I know that my primaries was that red oak. [0:28:43, 0:29:03]: If we could have our primaries at Red Oak and have the county election and the city municipal election there, then that's what I want. So, what do we need to do as a county, as a board of elections committee, board? Um, our attorneys, what do we need to do to make sure? [0:29:03, 0:29:03]: Yeah. [0:29:03, 0:29:05]: That we only have to go one place. [0:29:06, 0:29:07]: Period. [0:29:07, 0:29:08]: To both. [0:29:09, 0:29:16]: Brooklyn. I I think let me just address the one with the city and the county. [0:29:16, 0:29:19]: The problem we have with the city and the county is that [0:29:20, 0:29:25]: For the city election it the polling place have to be within the city limits. [0:29:26, 0:29:28]: So that's a problem that we have because we have [0:29:29, 0:29:31]: Some citizens who are [0:29:32, 0:29:36]: in the city limits, but they're voting at a precinct that's within the county limits. [0:29:37, 0:29:38]: So we're [0:29:38, 0:29:42]: That's why they have to go to two different locations. So that's the problem that we're having. [0:29:43, 0:29:44]: Where we have sons. [0:29:44, 0:29:49]: residents that actually are classified as li living within the city limits, but they're [0:29:49, 0:29:53]: Their precinct to vote is it within the county, it's outside of the city limits. [0:29:54, 0:29:58]: So that's why we can't have them because the way the legislation written down [0:29:59, 0:30:01]: But city elections, it must be within the city limits. [0:30:02, 0:30:03]: Yeah. [0:30:03, 0:30:06]: Stand by please. Brooke, did you have something you need to add to that? [0:30:06, 0:30:11]: Yes, this would also um you would actually have to talk to legislation to get this rule changed. [0:30:11, 0:30:19]: even local like with county elections and federal elections, we would love for legislation to change it to vote centers. [0:30:19, 0:30:21]: Um that was how [0:30:21, 0:30:30]: happen is that legislation would have to take away election day based polling location and do vote centers. Then you wouldn't have the long lines. [0:30:30, 0:30:32]: Anybody from that county could go if you're [0:30:33, 0:30:43]: live in Stockbridge but work in Locust Grove, you could go to Locust Grove still after work and make the polls on time. So it's just working with your legis with the legislators and getting that law changed. [0:30:43, 0:30:45]: Well then that's what we need to do. [0:30:45, 0:30:47]: Because and and in the meantime [0:30:48, 0:30:49]: What can we do? [0:30:50, 0:30:54]: For our citizens to make sure that they only have to go to one polling location. [0:30:55, 0:30:58]: How is it possible? What can we do? [0:30:58, 0:31:08]: to make that happen. For Stockbridge, but I I'm concerned about the state of Georgia. I'm concerned about Henry County. And so we're gonna have to work with our our state legislators on that. [0:31:09, 0:31:19]: I can answer their question. Hold on. Uh uh Brooke or Donna, uh m Miss McBride, can you They they're giving incorrect information. That's not true. Oh what standby please. [0:31:19, 0:31:22]: um miss brook or or Donna can you answer that please [0:31:23, 0:31:27]: Да і что легів існу. Ви кана чаї. [0:31:28, 0:31:30]: The legislation that says that [0:31:30, 0:31:35]: If you live in the city and there's a city election that you must vote within the city limits. [0:31:35, 0:31:42]: That's something that we can't change. That isn't a legislative issue that must go for legislation to get changed. [0:31:42, 0:31:43]: And like I said [0:31:44, 0:31:48]: prior the major problem that we're having is that because we do have citizens [0:31:48, 0:31:52]: Who live in the city, but their voting precinct location. [0:31:52, 0:31:57]: Is it within the county limits? So that's why they have to go to two locations every five years. [0:31:57, 0:32:02]: to ensure that they vote in their for their city election as well as the county election. [0:32:02, 0:32:07]: So there there is um truth to that that we have to have that as a legislative change. [0:32:07, 0:32:10]: And if what we want is voting centers. [0:32:10, 0:32:13]: That's a legislative change. We can't change it as a county. [0:32:13, 0:32:16]: It must go through legislation to say that. [0:32:16, 0:32:18]: We can have that as a state. [0:32:19, 0:32:23]: But we we have voting centers where we can go anywhere within the county. [0:32:23, 0:32:25]: And cast a vote because [0:32:25, 0:32:30]: It doesn't matter, but that's way we have it set up because the machines have to be set up a certain way. [0:32:30, 0:32:32]: To cast those votes to capture [0:32:32, 0:32:36]: The ballots still have to be set where you are um [0:32:37, 0:32:38]: Well, you um [0:32:39, 0:32:42]: Wor the ballots have to be set up so that when a citizen comes in [0:32:43, 0:32:45]: could their provide their ev information. [0:32:45, 0:32:52]: they get the right ballot. So it is a legislative change that has to take place because there's a lot of work that's entailed with that. [0:32:53, 0:32:58]: And Amika, I don't know if you want to expound on that or not, but uh it is legislative. [0:33:03, 0:33:04]: Ms. Pitts, do you have anything to add, ma'am? [0:33:07, 0:33:16]: Yeah, we're sorry. I was trying to unmute my um mic. Good evening, everyone. I'm super here this evening. [0:33:16, 0:33:20]: Um yeah, the answer to that is very detrimental with [0:33:21, 0:33:24]: One of the reasons why this has become a problem. [0:33:24, 0:33:25]: Um is because [0:33:26, 0:33:27]: Of having to be able [0:33:28, 0:33:34]: having the voters as a are within city to have to have polling locations and vote in within that city. [0:33:35, 0:33:36]: When the um [0:33:37, 0:33:38]: I think it's councilwoman again. [0:33:39, 0:33:42]: She was speaking on wanting to have it where [0:33:42, 0:33:47]: It should not be where when it becomes to a municipal election. [0:33:47, 0:33:51]: That they can't go anywhere like they can when it comes with county. [0:33:51, 0:33:52]: There's a [0:33:53, 0:33:55]: With county, that's the difference. [0:33:55, 0:33:58]: It's just like we can't go outside the county and vote. [0:33:59, 0:34:04]: you only can vote within county. It's the same thing when it comes to the municipal elections with the cities. [0:34:04, 0:34:15]: You can't go outside of your city. You have to make sure you stay within. And so me and Brooke once talking with Miss Vanessa, we did try to find different locations that were [0:34:15, 0:34:20]: currently polling locations that we use as a county that were within city that we do. [0:34:21, 0:34:23]: possibly combine and come together to [0:34:24, 0:34:27]: hopefully come together with this resolution that we're trying to do. [0:34:27, 0:34:29]: Um and again it as [0:34:30, 0:34:40]: the um Dr. McBride as well as Brooke was explaining it is a leg it is a legislative thing and that's something that w you know you have to go with N winter and make that change. You can't just do [0:34:42, 0:34:42]: All right. [0:34:42, 0:34:43]: Miss Alexander. [0:34:44, 0:34:45]: Yeah, go ahead, please. [0:34:45, 0:34:53]: I just uh I I'm not sure if the ladies were here when the state elections director did come to him and tell me. [0:34:54, 0:34:56]: Who someone needs the mute? [0:34:58, 0:35:05]: Okay, I'm not sure if the ladies were here when the state elections director did come to Henry County, but he said that that was possible. [0:35:06, 0:35:26]: He he stated right there at the meeting when we were doing the new voting machine that we needed to go that uh he I I I thought he clearly said that it was possible. He said uh'cause we we asked this question of him, why do people have can't why can't people go to Locust Grove and vote in all the elections and why can't they go to [0:35:26, 0:35:30]: fair view and vote in all the elections. Well possibly that was uh [0:35:30, 0:35:45]: or just all county elections to swivel them around. But I was I was under the impression that he was uh referring to um all of the elections because he said if you can do it on early voting day, we can't we certainly can do that. [0:35:47, 0:35:47]: Oh. [0:35:48, 0:35:56]: We're not saying that it's not possible. We're saying that it would have to be a legislative change. It is possible if the legislation agreed to it. [0:35:56, 0:36:00]: So that that's what um the Secretary of State Rassenberger pro [0:36:00, 0:36:02]: was aluding to [0:36:02, 0:36:06]: That it is possible, but you have to make sure legislation agree to that. [0:36:06, 0:36:10]: So it is possible, but there are some processes that must go take [0:36:10, 0:36:13]: And consideration must be in place first before that happens. [0:36:14, 0:36:16]: Mr. Bright, I'm am I assuming? [0:36:17, 0:36:34]: Stop one second. Ms. Mri, I am I assuming that when you said let's later change that we have to start with a Henry County delegation, work with them and then and then go through. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Thank you. Ms. Start with our representatives and our senators and work with them to get it changed. Yes. Ms. Gann, go ahead, please. [0:36:35, 0:36:37]: Is it possible for the county? [0:36:38, 0:36:39]: To have [0:36:40, 0:36:46]: their voting precincts within our city limits so that our citizens will be able to go to one location. [0:36:50, 0:36:51]: If I may respond to that. [0:36:51, 0:36:52]: Go go ahead, please. [0:36:53, 0:36:58]: We did look at some um different locations that we [0:36:59, 0:37:05]: would like to consider for um like we we thought about um Eagles Landing Christian Academy being a location [0:37:06, 0:37:08]: Or somewhere in that area. [0:37:09, 0:37:12]: to add it, but it currently it is it's not that's not a county. [0:37:13, 0:37:22]: polling location. So even if the city decided they wanted to use a facility in that area, unless the county did so also, [0:37:23, 0:37:27]: A voter would have to go to two locations if there was a county item on the ballot and [0:37:28, 0:37:30]: From what I understand in twenty twenty one. [0:37:31, 0:37:34]: There will be a county item on the ballot. [0:37:35, 0:37:35]: So [0:37:35, 0:37:38]: We're trying to find locations. [0:37:40, 0:37:42]: Араунд Сити. [0:37:43, 0:37:44]: Within the city limits. [0:37:45, 0:37:49]: But the county would have to bring those facilities on board as well. [0:37:52, 0:37:55]: In order to make it one stop voting. [0:37:58, 0:38:00]: Okay. Uh I see Mr. Blount. Go ahead, Mr. Blount. [0:38:03, 0:38:06]: Yeah, can you guys hear me? Go ahead, sir. [0:38:07, 0:38:11]: Yeah, my question is uh also while we're talking about voting uh areas. [0:38:11, 0:38:17]: Uh is there a number of of uh voting machines that s and if it's all possible. [0:38:17, 0:38:23]: If we could have voting upstairs in the mural managers where we can put more machines up there to make the line go down quicker. [0:38:23, 0:38:25]: Uh is w is that possible? [0:38:28, 0:38:31]: That is certainly possible if that space is available for us. [0:38:32, 0:38:37]: We can definitely put more machines up there and um have co workers work that. [0:38:37, 0:38:42]: that top level as well. So certainly if that space is available for us, absolutely. [0:38:42, 0:38:52]: Well, Ms. McBride, but then the follow-up to that is if it's available, when will you all be able to take a look at that and then determine how many more machines you can put in here? [0:38:53, 0:39:03]: Uh we can take a look at it as soon as it it's open for us to come take a look at it, we can do that because we can be ready for November election for that. That's no problem whatsoever. [0:39:04, 0:39:05]: Miss Havada. [0:39:06, 0:39:08]: Um that's going to you have [0:39:09, 0:39:10]: I'm sorry. [0:39:10, 0:39:14]: No, go right, Miss Alder. He's okay. He's talking to me. I got him. Go ahead. Go ahead, Miss Alder. [0:39:15, 0:39:22]: That coincides with your budget because for the machines that go in and the staffing that goes in, all of that [0:39:23, 0:39:24]: Yeah. [0:39:24, 0:39:26]: You would have to increase your budget. [0:39:26, 0:39:30]: So you just need to keep that in mind as you do that to make sure that we budget accordingly. [0:39:31, 0:39:50]: Well, uh follow up to that, Ms. Holliday, uh Mr. Knighton, I I I think that this is a be a good move for the city. Uh and if we could find out how many more machines from Miss McBride would it would would be uh added to coming in there and what would the b what would be an increase in budget to uh facilitate that. I would like to get those numbers as soon as possible. [0:39:50, 0:39:51]: Yeah. [0:39:51, 0:39:52]: Question. [0:39:53, 0:39:58]: Are we talking the twenty twenty election or are we talking twenty twenty one? [0:39:59, 0:40:06]: Well, right now I'm talking about election day and uh the actual election day reason being because I think we're still kind of going back and forth. [0:40:07, 0:40:08]: Uh on [0:40:08, 0:40:13]: other aspect not I agree with Councilman Alexander. I think election day in itself [0:40:14, 0:40:21]: It it just too it's it's so chaotic that there has to be a remedy that's at hand now without going through legislation. [0:40:21, 0:40:31]: uh uh our legislators to to remedy and and I this part would help that. I think this this is a start for the city to help remedy that part that portion. [0:40:32, 0:40:39]: Mr. Knight, sir, go ahead, please. Yes, m uh Mayor Ford and and Council. I I would I would simply mention that um [0:40:39, 0:40:43]: I think uh if it if it is the board's desire we need to look at both [0:40:43, 0:40:45]: This year, twenty twenty. [0:40:45, 0:40:51]: And 2021. Voter turnout is going to be extremely heavy in the fall. We all expect that to be the case. [0:40:52, 0:40:57]: And so uh to try to make it uh as accommodating as possible with as many machines as possible. [0:40:58, 0:41:06]: To expedite the voting process in terms of a larger space, I would encourage looking at this year 2020 and also then 2021. [0:41:10, 0:41:10]: Thank you, sir. [0:41:11, 0:41:12]: Any other comments? [0:41:13, 0:41:15]: Yeah, one more if I could. Go right in. [0:41:16, 0:41:23]: Yeah, in terms of the twenty twenty one, I mean there generally we have twenty twenty one to ourself. [0:41:23, 0:41:43]: Th there was a rare occasion where we had the city election and the county election on the same day. Unless there's a splot or something like that going on, it shouldn't be a situation like that where people have to go to two different locations because that was a rare that should be a rare situation. [0:41:43, 0:41:53]: go normally we have the our election day to ourselves so multiple polling locations would be only due to our elections because they're off sea off season. [0:41:54, 0:42:06]: Well actually I appreciate that, but Vanessa Holiday mentioned that the clerk mentioned that earlier that there is a scheduled county election on the for twenty twenty one. Actually, and that's why is it is it is it in November or is it is it uh gonna be in the spring? [0:42:09, 0:42:11]: Um Kruk or Amika, I believe. [0:42:13, 0:42:14]: It's November November. [0:42:15, 0:42:15]: November. [0:42:17, 0:42:20]: What what election is that? I'm sorry. The judgeship. [0:42:20, 0:42:23]: The judge, okay. So it's a special election. [0:42:23, 0:42:23]: Yes. [0:42:24, 0:42:29]: It's a special okay, it's uh a a uh an off s again, an off cycle election. Okay. [0:42:31, 0:42:35]: No. And the next FLOSS is scheduled to come up in twenty twenty three. [0:42:36, 0:42:37]: Okay. [0:42:39, 0:42:49]: Okay, which is off your as well. Mr. Knight, go ahead, please. And I I would simply mention that there has been discussion or at least talk at this point about a possible T-SPLOST, transportation splots. [0:42:49, 0:42:55]: Uh for next year as well, although a a date has not been determined. But there has been obvious discussion about that and even [0:42:56, 0:43:00]: Uh, some discussion about having something in November, which obviously did not come to pass. [0:43:00, 0:43:04]: But um there may very well be a T Splost uh as well. [0:43:05, 0:43:10]: Any other comments? Yes, Ms. Holly, go ahead please. [0:43:11, 0:43:14]: Uh we're looking to increase the number of machines. [0:43:15, 0:43:20]: And the the uh location using the upstairs of the Merrill Mandel's Conference Center. [0:43:21, 0:43:23]: For the November twenty twenty. [0:43:24, 0:43:25]: Election. [0:43:26, 0:43:29]: Correct. Yes. Yes. And also twenty one. [0:43:30, 0:43:40]: I'm sorry, and for twenty twenty one, are we still looking because and I'm asking this because if you're looking to add red oak [0:43:40, 0:43:44]: Then that information has to get to the Justice Department. So there's a [0:43:45, 0:43:50]: sequence of events that has to happen for that to happen in time for the twenty twenty one. [0:43:50, 0:43:51]: So [0:43:51, 0:43:53]: An an I need the direction. [0:43:54, 0:43:58]: on where we need to go for twenty twenty well, I understand about twenty twenty. [0:43:59, 0:44:02]: But tell us what you want us to do for twenty twenty one. [0:44:03, 0:44:04]: Now so [0:44:04, 0:44:17]: Well well what I was getting at, uh twenty twenty one, uh then I guess the initial thought was to look at both upstairs and downstairs in mural manners, but also now whether or not we want st to have the county elections um [0:44:18, 0:44:23]: at Red O for 2021 as well versus also at uh Merrill Manors. Is that that what you're asking? [0:44:23, 0:44:25]: That's what I'm asking. Okay. All right. [0:44:25, 0:44:27]: That's what I thought. Just want to make sure. [0:44:27, 0:44:29]: All right, council any comments on that. [0:44:30, 0:44:30]: But [0:44:31, 0:44:32]: Yes. [0:44:33, 0:44:53]: Uh for twenty if I'm are you gonna am I acknowledge? Yeah, yeah, you're acknowledged. Go ahead, sir. Okay, for twenty twenty-one, I think I agree with everything that we was said for twenty twenty, because it's gonna be a monster in twenty twenty. We need everything that we can do in every voting machine possible uh in twenty twenty. I think we need a combination, uh as Councilman Blount has said. [0:44:53, 0:45:13]: said uh more uh machines at Merrill Manders and we need an extra voting location uh on 2021 as well because we know where the votes are coming from. Okay there there's no need in having everybody off of Wall Stevens come to Merrill Manders when they're already they're coming already and when there's a voting precinct that could be [0:45:13, 0:45:14]: Right there. [0:45:16, 0:45:17]: Any other comments? [0:45:18, 0:45:21]: Well I have one. Yeah, go right in, Miss Gantt. [0:45:21, 0:45:27]: Thank you. What what is the cost for an additional precinct, Miss Holliday, for on in twenty twenty one? [0:45:28, 0:45:39]: If it is early voting and election day voting, twenty thousand dollars. If it is only election day voting, fifteen hundred to two thousand dollars. [0:45:40, 0:45:52]: Fifteen hundred. I I I'm okay with the voting day because early voting, they all we can all vote at one precinct, correct? All over the county. [0:45:52, 0:45:57]: Correct. And that's what we need to fix. Again, I ask that we [0:45:58, 0:46:11]: you know, I don't know what the I'm I'm not knocking you, Board of Elections. I'm just asking why haven't we started trying to get this fixed? Um, you know, not you but as a community and as a whole. So [0:46:12, 0:46:14]: Um, I'm okay with the voting. [0:46:14, 0:46:15]: on voting day. [0:46:16, 0:46:20]: Um, for you know, the between the fifteen hundred to two thousand. [0:46:21, 0:46:24]: And are we um looking at red oak? [0:46:26, 0:46:30]: Yeah, yes. As well as Moral Managers Conference Center. [0:46:30, 0:46:31]: Yes. [0:46:31, 0:46:38]: With additional machines, hopefully. Up and downstairs if if possible for at twenty twenty one as well as twenty twenty for Merle Manders. [0:46:39, 0:46:54]: And likewise additional uh machines than what would normally be at Red Oak. Right, correct. Okay. Right. So you have we have that. You don't need to necessarily where's the c uh Mr. Williams, do we need to vote on that? Or is that just uh we just gave some guidance here and acceptance we can go forward? [0:46:56, 0:47:05]: Mr. Will I would like a resolution. Yeah, we we've prepared a resolution based on whatever was discussed tonight so we can get that to Henry County. [0:47:05, 0:47:12]: Um and at the risk of throwing a monkey wrench into all this, um I've been on um [0:47:13, 0:47:19]: uh consulting with with the county attorney uh via text we're looking at the code section. [0:47:19, 0:47:25]: to confirm that there is a requirement in the code section that our municipal [0:47:25, 0:47:28]: polling places be in the city limits and [0:47:28, 0:47:35]: At present I'm not finding one and we're we're going back and forth to to confirm what what is indeed the case. [0:47:36, 0:47:37]: The law says that [0:47:37, 0:47:45]: the where practicable or the precincts have to be the same, and then the polling location has to be within the precinct. [0:47:45, 0:47:49]: Doesn't say the polling location has to be within the city limits. [0:47:50, 0:47:59]: Now for county precincts, obviously all their locations are gonna be in the county because it's county wide and and you don't have any Henry County precincts outside of Henry County. [0:48:00, 0:48:07]: But for the city, um the the way I'm looking at it right now, I haven't found it uh an absolute requirement and and so [0:48:08, 0:48:18]: Um, he and I are are continuing to consult the to make sure we're either right or wrong a as to what the code provides. Um and we we don't have an answer just yet. [0:48:19, 0:48:23]: But as I'm reading it right now, it doesn't look like it has to be in the city limits. [0:48:23, 0:48:29]: I would have to defer to um Brooke and Amika on that. We that's what we spoke about yesterday. [0:48:29, 0:48:32]: And was given that information. [0:48:34, 0:48:43]: Where were you giving it from, if you don't mind? Um Amika and Brooke. We were on a call yesterday. I'll have to double check the codes just to pull them up. [0:48:44, 0:48:45]: And I'll get back t with y'all on that. [0:48:46, 0:48:55]: Yeah, I mean and and and Patrick and I were looking through the code uh as well and and I don't see that requirement that city polling places have to be [0:48:56, 0:48:57]: in the city limits. [0:48:59, 0:48:59]: All right. [0:49:00, 0:49:15]: All right. One standby, Alex that for a second, please. So whatever we decide here, or whatever how we decide this, Mr. Williams, you're gonna draft up a resolution based on what we decided. And then we're gonna be able to approve that. We'll approve that whatever resolution and obviously sign it and give it off to the elections committee. [0:49:17, 0:49:29]: Yes, unless you wanna wait until the fourteenth. I don't know if what the timing is to allow us to confirm the the our understanding of the law so that there's no doubt. All right, we'll decide that just a second. [0:49:29, 0:49:30]: Okay. [0:49:30, 0:49:33]: Yes. Go ahead, Mr. Councilman Alexander. [0:49:36, 0:49:38]: Am I knowledge maybe knowledge? Go ahead, sir. [0:49:38, 0:49:50]: Okay, I just wanna make sure. Okay, in turn it's very I thank you, Mr. Williams, for what you you your your information because it's very key what he just said. If you know, if [0:49:50, 0:49:54]: There can be another location, let's say flipping elementary. [0:49:54, 0:50:03]: Flippin Elementary does not have to be in the city limits. Right. Stockbridge voters can vote there as a county, as a county facility. [0:50:03, 0:50:15]: And it's very close to where s a lot of the Magnolias and Summit and all of those uh areas vote right there. So that's very key. So I mean there could be a third location. [0:50:15, 0:50:26]: in the Eagles landing area based on what Mr. Williams said and it does not necessarily have to be inside the city limits. That was spread it out instead of having the third location [0:50:27, 0:50:47]: At Stockbridge United Methodists, there could be a location in the Eagles Landing area, there could be a location uh at Red Oak, and there could be a location at Merrill Manders for those voters. So everybody could be spread out over time. The only reason that we wouldn't choose Stockbridge First United Methodists, because I mean it's literally to [0:50:47, 0:51:06]: Two blocks from Earl Manders. But the voters in the Eagles Landing area, they need to be represented as well. So I would think that Mr. Williams and Mr. Jockstetter, he's the county attorney. They're very reversed on this. So if we got that information, I would be in favor of having three locations, a third one in the Eagles landing area as well. [0:51:07, 0:51:16]: Ms. Valhalla, go ahead please. Th though though that was actually one of the ones that was on the list that I had and also Pate's Creek. [0:51:18, 0:51:18]: Okay. [0:51:18, 0:51:21]: Okay, thank you. Appreciate that. [0:51:21, 0:51:23]: Uh okay. [0:51:23, 0:51:27]: We got several different things here. County man the county attorneys. [0:51:27, 0:51:38]: Yeah, Patrick has a try to chime in. Oh, he is okay. All right. Go ahead, sir. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Good evening, everybody. If I could um suggest [0:51:38, 0:51:41]: to the mayor and council um [0:51:43, 0:51:45]: that the the location of [0:51:46, 0:51:51]: Voting precincts and polling places for city of elections rest entirely with you. [0:51:52, 0:51:55]: You the the mayor and council make that determination. [0:51:55, 0:51:57]: The Board of Elections [0:51:58, 0:52:00]: Will by contract conduct your elections. [0:52:01, 0:52:02]: We will [0:52:02, 0:52:06]: To the extent we have resources available and that we're paid for it, obviously. [0:52:07, 0:52:20]: We will conduct your elections in accordance with you know at the precincts and polling places that you designate. I would urge you to continue uh as you identify polling places, as you uh [0:52:21, 0:52:41]: Work towards that. Make sure you're communicating with Ms. Pitts or Ms. Shriner to make sure that that the Board of Elections has the resources to cover these new polling places. Um we we've only got so many machines, we've only got so much equipment. And as you all know, we only have so many people we can get to work the polls. So be [0:52:41, 0:52:47]: Be cautious in establishing new polling places. Make sure that Miss Pitts and Miss Shriner [0:52:47, 0:52:58]: And the Board of Elections are are capable of manning and equipping those those polling places. I will leave it to Mr. Williams to make a determination as to whether [0:52:59, 0:53:05]: uh voting city voters being forced to leave the city limits to vote in a city election. [0:53:05, 0:53:09]: is legal or not. If I if I find anything that'll help inform his decision I'll [0:53:09, 0:53:11]: Certainly share it, but that's [0:53:11, 0:53:13]: Ultimately a decision that the city has to make. [0:53:14, 0:53:15]: So uh uh [0:53:17, 0:53:18]: Wait, wait, wait. [0:53:19, 0:53:38]: I I want to make sure that um that we're kind of all clear on what our lane is. The the Board of Elections lane in this in this discussion will simply to be simply be to conduct the election that we contract with you to conduct. Um as always, we'll provide whatever backup assistance and resources we can. [0:53:39, 0:53:45]: All right, thank you. Mr uh Councilman Blount, please. I'll come to you, Ms. Bright, in just a second. Councilman Blount, go ahead. I I appreciate that. Uh [0:53:46, 0:53:49]: Mr. Josh Settler, but Miss McBride, you all are here. [0:53:50, 0:53:54]: Will you be able to facilitate more volunteers? I mean, you all would know that more than anybody. [0:53:55, 0:53:56]: Not in a [0:53:56, 0:53:59]: Well we're hoping that [0:53:59, 0:54:01]: The facilities that you choose will be [0:54:02, 0:54:07]: precincts that we already have, like Pate's P Pate's Creek is already a precinct for us. [0:54:07, 0:54:11]: Red Oak is already a precinct. I know Miss Holliday mentioned that. [0:54:11, 0:54:12]: They were looking at Eagles Landing. [0:54:12, 0:54:16]: Christian, well we have a precinct a tabernacle of praise. [0:54:16, 0:54:22]: So if that would suffice instead of um Eagles Landing Christian, then we already have a precinct there. So we'll be able to [0:54:23, 0:54:25]: of course accommodate there as well. [0:54:25, 0:54:45]: Yeah, the reason I asked that because more voting um machines doesn't need more volunteers because you're only gonna get the same information up front to go absolutely. Absolutely. And we we are we feel pretty confident with our um volunteers, our coworkers that we have now in Brooke, you can feel free. [0:54:45, 0:54:46]: Free to [0:54:46, 0:54:52]: Elaborate on that, but certainly if you were to have them where we already have precincts. [0:54:52, 0:54:55]: that would help us so therefore we won't have to [0:54:55, 0:54:58]: spread the volunteers out any further, but of course we will do [0:54:58, 0:55:01]: Whatever we need to do to be supported, but we [0:55:01, 0:55:03]: certainly would like for you to try in [0:55:04, 0:55:09]: have them at the locations that we currently have precincts that would be beneficial to you then. [0:55:10, 0:55:11]: Thank you. All right. [0:55:12, 0:55:12]: So [0:55:13, 0:55:25]: All right, Alexander, you gonna make a motion or you just have another comment? I I just wanna ask th the the statement was made that we needed to do something legislatively in order to [0:55:25, 0:55:45]: Get the problem fixed. Is there a template or is the city attorney prepared to do it? Because I think Councilwoman Gann is right. We need to do it. What is it that needs to be done on our end? Maybe Mr. Williams can answer that question, or maybe the lady. Or Mr. Jox had her yes, they probably can tell us the process for going getting that. [0:55:45, 0:55:46]: That done. [0:55:46, 0:55:56]: I well I would suggest you delay a vote on this until the fourteenth so that we can confirm for a fact that there is no legislation needed because right now I don't see [0:55:57, 0:56:01]: that that's a requirement, but I I could be wrong. So I don't wanna give a a [0:56:02, 0:56:04]: In answer tonight and be proved wrong tomorrow. [0:56:05, 0:56:25]: And so assuming that I'm right, then we would just need our staff and the the election staff to come up with something that made sense that had maybe additional polling places that matched the existing county location so that there's no new stuff that they have to do other than make sure that [0:56:25, 0:56:25]: That it's [0:56:26, 0:56:27]: practical. [0:56:27, 0:56:47]: Um so that's that's the first thing. If I'm wrong and that you do need legislation, then that's that's just like any other legislation. We need to go to the delegation and get someone to carry some legislation to to to open that up. And that and that's you know, that's no different than any other legislative effort we'd had to deal with in terms of getting the general assembly [0:56:47, 0:56:50]: [3411.3, 3426.0]: And I think um Councilman Alexander raised I think there have been two questions raised that may or may not require legislative attention. The first is the one Mr. Williams referenced, which is where city residents can go vote. And the second issue [0:57:06, 0:57:07]: Із [0:57:08, 0:57:11]: to address the difference between early voting [0:57:12, 0:57:16]: And election day voting. As as y'all have discussed, early voting. [0:57:16, 0:57:19]: You are permitted to cast your ballot at any [0:57:20, 0:57:20]: Uh [0:57:21, 0:57:28]: any office that the elections folks maintain. On election day you are limited to casting your ballot. [0:57:28, 0:57:30]: In the precinct to which you're assigned. [0:57:31, 0:57:35]: There is there is one minor exception to that and um [0:57:36, 0:57:48]: And and I'm I haven't looked this up. I'm I'm saying this off the top of my head and maybe Brooke knows or or Miss Pitts knows for sure. But I believe if a voter goes to the wrong precinct. [0:57:49, 0:57:52]: They are permitted to cast a provisional paper ballot. [0:57:52, 0:57:55]: Yeah. So I I think [0:57:56, 0:57:58]: Someone could vote. [0:57:58, 0:58:01]: outside of their precinct on election day. [0:58:02, 0:58:06]: It's just gonna be by paper ballot, it's gonna be a provisional ballot. [0:58:06, 0:58:12]: And so it's gonna go through the the provisional ballot approval process. [0:58:12, 0:58:12]: Um [0:58:13, 0:58:20]: Uh so it is possible to vote outside of your precinct on election day. I don't think you want to encourage people to do that. I think [0:58:20, 0:58:21]: I I think it's [0:58:22, 0:58:24]: I th I think most people are probably [0:58:24, 0:58:37]: concerned, especially what's happened in the last couple of election cycles about casting provisional ballots and probably also about paper ballots. But I I do think in order to to change the law where [0:58:37, 0:58:41]: I can go to any precinct on election day. [0:58:41, 0:58:49]: And cast my ballot on the new voting tablets, that would require, I believe, statewide legislation. So it would take. [0:58:50, 0:58:57]: someone with enough pull at the legislature to get enough votes for that proposal to pass statewide. I don't think you could accomplish that. [0:58:58, 0:58:59]: by local legislation. [0:59:00, 0:59:07]: Ms. McBride, I saw your hand. Did you have something else? Yes, yes, thank you. And I I just want to say thank you to the attorneys for expounding on that. [0:59:07, 0:59:10]: And I want to make sure the council is clear that [0:59:10, 0:59:12]: We can help. [0:59:12, 0:59:16]: alleviate the issue that we have with t county and city election being on the same [0:59:17, 0:59:21]: date and uh like we are now saying we'll work together with the precincts and the [0:59:22, 0:59:26]: The voting locations to try to make sure that the citizens only go to one location. [0:59:27, 0:59:30]: That can certainly be resolved at the county level. [0:59:30, 0:59:32]: But when it comes to what um [0:59:33, 0:59:35]: Councilwoman Gantt was asking about [0:59:36, 0:59:40]: Just voting anywhere within the county at any time, like we do. [0:59:40, 0:59:42]: early voting doing it on election day as well. [0:59:43, 0:59:44]: Like uh [0:59:44, 0:59:47]: Attorney Jacques Sadder has said that will require us to [0:59:51, 0:59:53]: Uh oh. Uh oh, she froze. [0:59:57, 1:00:06]: I think she was gonna say legislation. Yeah, I would think that's what it sounds like. But uh she is she's frozen. I think she's now disconnected or something. Okay, wow. [1:00:07, 1:00:27]: Okay, maybe she'll get back here. Okay, so otherwise, based on all this discussion and based on what what uh the thought process from Mr. Williams, it seems though, council, that uh probably prudent for us to delay this for at least a couple weeks, allow the additional research to occur, and we'll come back and put this on the on the on the agenda for the fourteenth and uh go for there and vote. Does that sound good? Sound like a [1:00:27, 1:00:28]: logical thing to do. [1:00:29, 1:00:30]: Folks. [1:00:30, 1:00:32]: Yes, nope. Okay. All right. [1:00:33, 1:00:45]: All right. I guess that's what we'll end up doing. I she comes back, we'll we'll get her back in for her comments, but uh I'm back I'm back now. Thank you. I I finished. Thank you so very much. I don't know what happened. We all kind of just went out. [1:00:45, 1:00:47]: For a second there, but [1:00:47, 1:00:48]: I just um [1:00:49, 1:00:51]: Just petition everyone. Let's talk to our [1:00:51, 1:00:57]: representatives and our senators and and and share with them our desire to make sure that this is [1:00:57, 1:01:04]: Um, an opportunity to just change the voting system in the state of Georgia so that we can have our citizens vote at any location. [1:01:04, 1:01:10]: regardless of what precinct they're in, if they work in Locust Grove and they may live in McDonough. [1:01:10, 1:01:11]: That they can [1:01:11, 1:01:15]: boat in Locust Grove, they don't have to wait until they get back to McDonough to cast their vote. [1:01:16, 1:01:19]: So hopefully we can push a legislation for that and [1:01:19, 1:01:22]: And sometime in the near future we can see that coming to fruition. [1:01:23, 1:01:24]: Okay. [1:01:24, 1:01:30]: Thank you. I think we're set for this particular uh item for tonight anyway. [1:01:30, 1:01:48]: Absolutely. Okay, I'm gonna move on to the next one, but uh we'll bring this back on the fourteenth, Mike. All right, and uh have us prepare for that, sir. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Uh thank you thank you. And folks from the election board, you're more than welcome to stay. It's up to you. But uh if you have other things to do, so long have a good evening. But you're more than welcome to stay if you like. [1:01:48, 1:01:55]: Uh old business. Well we thank you all for inviting us and feel free to definitely invite us anytime that you have [1:01:55, 1:02:00]: questions or concerns regarding the election process or how we can assist you as a city. [1:02:00, 1:02:03]: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [1:02:03, 1:02:03]: Good night. [1:02:04, 1:02:04]: Deny. [1:02:05, 1:02:19]: Council consideration to approve the purchase of a 19500 G VW chassis with a rugby block of dump international CV dump bed truck from Rush Truck Center of Georgia, incorporated RFP number two zero one nine. [1:02:20, 1:02:37]: Dash 007P dash state contract nine nine nine nine nine dash zero zero one dash spd zero zero zero zero zero one five five an amount of sixty nine thousand dollars seventy three six hundred six sixty nine thousand seven hundred six hundred seventy three dollars and eighty four cents [1:02:38, 1:02:42]: Funding source, uh the water department budget and Miss Miller and Dessus Aaron, please. [1:02:45, 1:02:53]: Good afternoon, Council, uh Mayor of Council. Um I also wanted to send my condolences out to the uh Blake family um out of Wisconsin. [1:02:54, 1:03:01]: Uh the procurement division is requesting council approval to piggyback. We brought this to you um at the last meeting. [1:03:01, 1:03:05]: We have um confirmed that the contract has been um renewed. [1:03:06, 1:03:08]: Which means that it's good through. [1:03:08, 1:03:12]: um august tu taus т ам соро твані тваті ва [1:03:13, 1:03:28]: So the uh purpose of this contract is to provide the city with an international CD dump bed truck necessary for the water and sewer department to bring and remove debris from the work sites. Uh and that being said, I'll turn it over to uh Mr. Aaron. [1:03:29, 1:03:48]: Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. I I'll let Mr. Mullis, our water superintendent, speak to that. But we're asking to replace a nineteen eighty-seven dump truck that has holes in the floorboard that staff when they use it is unsafe. They gotta let the windows down because you got exhaust fumes getting into the cab or the truck. So [1:03:48, 1:03:57]: They're not able to do some things that they need to do in the water and sewer department, but I'll let Mr. Muller speak to that as well. [1:03:59, 1:04:01]: And good afternoon, Mayor and Council. [1:04:02, 1:04:03]: Can I actually know? [1:04:04, 1:04:05]: Everybody can hear me? [1:04:05, 1:04:06]: Go right here. [1:04:09, 1:04:14]: Yeah, we're basically asking for the dump truck. The the one that we have [1:04:14, 1:04:15]: Is [1:04:15, 1:04:17]: In dire repair. [1:04:18, 1:04:24]: It's it's not feasible to put money into it to refurbish it to make it work safely. [1:04:25, 1:04:30]: Right now the dump truck in question, the thirty-three year old dump truck. [1:04:30, 1:04:37]: We've got it parked. I will not let anybody drive it because it is unsafe. It has trouble with the brakes locking up. [1:04:38, 1:04:46]: You can't haul off any spoils with it because it has wood rails instead of metal rails and it's not a sealed bed, it's a flat bed. [1:04:47, 1:04:51]: That being said, everything as far as that dump truck. [1:04:51, 1:04:53]: is extremely outdated. [1:04:55, 1:04:56]: Take [1:04:56, 1:05:00]: Like Dashes were saying that you know, it has holes in the floorboard. [1:05:00, 1:05:02]: It's stick shift. [1:05:02, 1:05:05]: And it requires a CDL to drive. [1:05:08, 1:05:09]: So we're just asking that [1:05:10, 1:05:11]: You know, council consider [1:05:12, 1:05:13]: Replace me. [1:05:14, 1:05:17]: I thank you. Appreciate it. Ms. Alexander, go ahead, please. [1:05:17, 1:05:30]: Uh yes sir. Thank you. Uh Mr. Mills. I I think that uh you know, we have no doubt that um that you need this truck and the truck needs to be replaced. The one thing that this council always asks [1:05:31, 1:05:34]: Everybody and I want to ask you the same question. [1:05:34, 1:05:39]: Do you have what you need to have somebody in that truck? [1:05:39, 1:05:43]: To use it adequately. Do you have the staffing? [1:05:44, 1:05:46]: As well. Why are you asking him for the truck? [1:05:46, 1:06:00]: I don't want to get the truck and it's sitting on the city property. I want to get the truck and somebody can use it and somebody's going to be using it on a regular basis. And then I'm going to come back to you and say, well, the truck's sitting there. [1:06:01, 1:06:08]: Is somebody using it? Do you have what you need, Mr. Aaron, to have somebody in this truck? [1:06:08, 1:06:18]: On a regular basis or do you need to add somebody? Because if you need to ask somebody, ask the council now so we can give you what you need to make sure the truck is used appropriately. [1:06:19, 1:06:26]: Yes, sir. I I can guarantee you that you will definitely see that truck in the city of Scott Bridge. [1:06:27, 1:06:35]: Because it is a definite need as far as when we have a work site as far as hauling off spoils and hauling in good dirt. [1:06:35, 1:06:42]: In situations like that, I can guarantee you being used in the city of Stockbridge. [1:06:43, 1:06:50]: I would like to make a motion to approve uh the recommendation of the public works department uh for the purchase of this truck. [1:06:50, 1:06:51]: A second. [1:06:51, 1:06:53]: Okay in a second. Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [1:06:54, 1:07:04]: Yeah, uh Mayor, the thing about it and I one of the things I do agree with Councilman Alexander, we've always asked staff, what do you need? What do you need? What what what can we do to help? [1:07:05, 1:07:10]: And as far as the public works, when they come to us and saying that they have these trucks that are [1:07:11, 1:07:16]: Twenty some odd years old, thirty some oh thirty years old and and and they're raggedy and ran down. [1:07:17, 1:07:19]: It's up to us to get the updated equipment. [1:07:20, 1:07:25]: And if staff is not putting people in that equipment or they're not using that equipment efficiently or or [1:07:26, 1:07:31]: Or things are being lacked because we purchased new equipment. We're gonna still need the equipment. [1:07:31, 1:07:40]: Then that's a then there will be other adjustments needs to be made. But when they when the staff come to us needing equipment that is thirty years old, thirty thirty or thirty plus years old. [1:07:41, 1:07:47]: The city of Stockbridge itself needs to replace that equipment regardless of what staff is in place. [1:07:47, 1:07:55]: And so that's why I'm agreeing, and I say I and I'm voting for it, because this is what we need to do for the city of Stockbridge when it comes to equipment. [1:07:56, 1:07:59]: And any adjustments we need to make make beyond that. [1:07:59, 1:08:03]: Then that is what need to be made. But the equipment is old and then there's [1:08:04, 1:08:12]: There's a turnover of of equipment that needs to be replaced. And this is this as well as other equipment that's come forward. This is what this is what the department needs. [1:08:13, 1:08:16]: Okay, thank you. Any other comments from the council? [1:08:17, 1:08:22]: Okay. Uh count a motion was made, it's been seconded by uh Miss Kant. All in favor of motion, please indicate. [1:08:24, 1:08:26]: All right, so now sorry, fantastic. [1:08:27, 1:08:34]: Council consideration. Thank you. Council consideration to approve resolution to authorize the [1:08:35, 1:08:42]: Uh I'm screwed, screw I'm jumping the gun. Number five. Excuse me, new business. Number five. Council consideration to approve the pine grove subdivision phase two. [1:08:42, 1:08:44]: And phase three street lights petition. [1:08:45, 1:08:48]: For the annual cost of four thousand eight hundred eight hundred and thirty five dollars and fifty four cents. [1:08:49, 1:08:52]: Funding source of general fund. Mr. Aaron, please. [1:08:52, 1:09:10]: Yes, Mr. Mayor. Uh we received a call from the Hono Homeowners Association who is currently paying the street light assessment for phase two and phase three. The city is already paying the street lights for phase one. This is a subdivision that's been permitted for several years, but when the housing [1:09:11, 1:09:16]: crash happened, they stopped building like they normally build. So this is a subdivision that had already been permitted. [1:09:17, 1:09:35]: And the lighting plan, to my understanding, had already been approved, but it's just taken a while to get to this point where the subdivision is starting to get built out. And the homeowners association is requesting, they've submitted the petitions, we reviewed them and requesting that the city assume the payment of these lights. [1:09:37, 1:09:37]: Okay. [1:09:38, 1:09:40]: All right. Uh Ms Ms. Gann, go ahead, please. [1:09:41, 1:09:48]: Thank you. These lights payments are just so from my understanding are prior to [1:09:49, 1:09:49]: Um [1:09:51, 1:09:59]: Our current resolution. These are things that took place before the resolution that we have now about lights. Is that not correct? [1:10:00, 1:10:07]: Yes, ma'am, this is a subdivision. Like I said, it's been on on the drawing boards for several years. And when the housing crash happened, they just stopped building. [1:10:08, 1:10:08]: Mm-hmm. [1:10:09, 1:10:10]: Okay, thank you. [1:10:11, 1:10:12]: Any other questions? [1:10:13, 1:10:13]: Concerns. [1:10:14, 1:10:15]: Uh Mr. Alexander, go ahead. [1:10:16, 1:10:19]: I'd just like to go ahead and make a motion to approve this request. [1:10:20, 1:10:21]: Um a lot of style. [1:10:21, 1:10:22]: Is there a second? [1:10:23, 1:10:26]: Second. Miss Barber, second now. Any further discussion? [1:10:27, 1:10:29]: If not, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [1:10:30, 1:10:33]: Okay, unanimous. Fantastic. Thank you very much. [1:10:34, 1:10:49]: Council consideration to approve resolution to authorize the execution of the coronavirus relief fund, CFR, terms and conditions agreement to authorize acceptance of grant payments, including all understanding and assurances contained within such an agreement. [1:10:49, 1:11:04]: to direct and authorize the person identified as the official representative of the city or a design of the city to act in connection with the grant application and to provide such additional information as may be required. Mr. Williams, please. [1:11:10, 1:11:11]: Or about that. Um [1:11:12, 1:11:25]: So this is more of a housekeeping thing, um, for the city uh to be able to to uh file um its reimbursement request for the CARES Act funding and [1:11:25, 1:11:26]: through the state. [1:11:27, 1:11:29]: Um they are requiring at all uh [1:11:30, 1:11:32]: the local governments adopt. [1:11:32, 1:11:33]: Uh [1:11:33, 1:11:38]: the a resolution. This is the the model resolution that they have forwarded. [1:11:38, 1:11:47]: Um, and it's very similar to the adoption of the the grant assurances for when we receive any kind of federal grant. So they're the same. [1:11:47, 1:11:51]: Um provisions and by and large I've approved them. They're fine. [1:11:51, 1:11:56]: Um and so again it's a housekeeping measure and I recommend approval. [1:11:57, 1:11:58]: Mr. Knighton, please. [1:11:59, 1:12:09]: Yes, I think um that is the baseline um issue here of uh receiving these grant uh funds. Uh as I've uh indicated to you. [1:12:09, 1:12:11]: Uh via uh email. [1:12:11, 1:12:18]: that the federal government via the state has provided CARES Act funding um for cities and counties, local governments. [1:12:18, 1:12:24]: Uh, there was a round of money that went out uh in summertime for governments of five hundred thousand or more. [1:12:24, 1:12:30]: This round of money essentially is for governments of two hundred and fifty thousand and less, of which Henry County [1:12:31, 1:12:33]: And its cities fall into that category. [1:12:33, 1:12:37]: The money was split into two parts, a thirty percent and a seventy percent. [1:12:38, 1:12:41]: And quite honestly, there was uh quite a bit of [1:12:42, 1:12:46]: question about how the funds could be used, how they would be allocated and so forth. [1:12:47, 1:12:55]: I participated on the GMA webinar yesterday and actually a couple of other items uh or informational sessions last week as well. And there still were [1:12:55, 1:12:57]: questions about [1:12:57, 1:13:02]: Um how funds could be used, when they would have to be expended and so forth. [1:13:03, 1:13:07]: So the city of Stockbridge is our portion is right at four hundred and sixty [1:13:08, 1:13:12]: Six thousand dollars, I believe. Forgive me, I've I I'm trying to get the exact number here. [1:13:13, 1:13:18]: But just over four hundred and sixty um thousand dollars. That's the thirty percent portion. [1:13:19, 1:13:26]: The other portion, um, with a seventy percent portion, the two portions total about one point five six five million dollars. [1:13:27, 1:13:35]: So the 30% portion, um, we went in and uh as we were requested by GMA, we went in and set up our account and so forth. [1:13:35, 1:13:45]: couple of weeks ago and then all of a sudden the money appeared, the thirty percent portion appeared, four hundred and sixty thousand dollars, which we were asked to do by GMA to make sure we received the money. [1:13:46, 1:13:48]: Which was deposited in our account. [1:13:48, 1:13:51]: then the seventy percent portion [1:13:52, 1:14:03]: Once the$460,000, the 30% portion is expended, you then go in into the second portal and you have to provide documentation for how those monies can be spent. [1:14:04, 1:14:09]: So basically it's one point five million dollars, one and a half million dollars. [1:14:09, 1:14:11]: It's been allocated to the city of Stockbury. [1:14:12, 1:14:14]: All of this has been allocated by population again. [1:14:15, 1:14:20]: Now, uh one of the issues with the city is that we do not have a police and fire department. [1:14:21, 1:14:30]: Uh, and much of the law enforcement public safety arena, they are the ones who've incurred much of the COVID related cost. In fact, [1:14:30, 1:14:32]: if for a police department. [1:14:32, 1:14:38]: You could actually take all of the police department salary, your entire police department salary from March the first. [1:14:39, 1:14:43]: March the first up until now and pay your entire police department salaries. [1:14:44, 1:14:46]: from that fund of money. [1:14:47, 1:14:50]: Uh that has been the interpretation from GMA and that quite frankly for the [1:14:51, 1:14:57]: uh cities uh and counties that are uh going to utilize this money, that's basically what they're doing. [1:14:57, 1:15:01]: They're just taking their entire salaries from March first for police. [1:15:01, 1:15:04]: And they're applying this money against that particular item. [1:15:05, 1:15:14]: Now for us obviously we don't have police and fire. We have had certain expenditures, masks, hand sanitizers, dispensers, extra cleaning. [1:15:15, 1:15:21]: All of those things that um uh have been covert related, uh items for teleworking, for instance, all of those [1:15:21, 1:15:23]: are items that can be used for [1:15:23, 1:15:28]: uh reimbursement, which we have identified and been keeping track of along the way. [1:15:28, 1:15:35]: However, um we won't uh get close to based on those particular expenditures, we won't get close to [1:15:36, 1:15:38]: The one point five million dollars that's available. [1:15:39, 1:15:41]: And so last week as I I sent email to you. [1:15:42, 1:15:46]: Um, based upon the fact that those monies are available. [1:15:46, 1:15:48]: And they could be used. [1:15:49, 1:15:55]: for um uh small business support, rent utilities, those types of things for small business support. [1:15:56, 1:16:09]: I sent that information to you as an option of utilizing a portion or a good portion of those funds. Obviously, many small businesses have been hurt during this pandemic and have experienced numerous challenges. [1:16:09, 1:16:14]: And this could be a means by which we can provide that level of support. [1:16:15, 1:16:17]: Um, especially since we don't have [1:16:17, 1:16:22]: the vast direct expenses that many other governments with public safety [1:16:22, 1:16:23]: Departments do. [1:16:24, 1:16:30]: And so with that, um I did have uh some conversation with uh Mr. Henning from the Chamber. [1:16:31, 1:16:34]: about what that could possibly look like if it is something [1:16:34, 1:16:40]: That the mayor and council want to uh consider because I knew he had been working or the chamber had been working on. [1:16:41, 1:16:43]: Um setting up a framework. [1:16:43, 1:16:46]: That could be utilized potentially for. [1:16:47, 1:16:48]: Excuse me. [1:16:48, 1:16:50]: uh local governments to um [1:16:51, 1:16:52]: partner, if you will. [1:16:53, 1:17:11]: with uh the chamber and small businesses could potentially go through that framework or that portal, if you will, to provide information to be able to uh receive those funds if in fact the mayor and council want to consider using a portion of those funds uh for that small business support. [1:17:12, 1:17:16]: So that in i is is a general overview. [1:17:17, 1:17:19]: of what we're looking at with the CARES Act is Mr. [1:17:20, 1:17:22]: Williams mentioned, we of obviously want you to [1:17:23, 1:17:25]: Acknowledge and approve our receipt. [1:17:25, 1:17:27]: Of being able to receive those funds. [1:17:28, 1:17:29]: And utilize those funds accordingly. [1:17:30, 1:17:34]: But also then we have uh the second issue, uh, as I've out [1:17:35, 1:17:55]: Okay. Mr. Henning, um, could you explain potentially how you can assist us uh the city in in accomplishing this particular mission? What what what do you have planned here? What what what process? Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council. Um we did we did begin working with the with Henry County government and set up a portal uh that [1:17:55, 1:18:04]: look it it it looked at all of the opportunities that small businesses could take advantage of and and participate in this and then um [1:18:04, 1:18:24]: an online portal then that they can apply for the grant depending on what uh what the city determines any limits or anything like that that it would be um it's all secured it's all confidential um it comes in uh I I currently I'm the only one with access to it so that it comes in and the committee would review that. [1:18:24, 1:18:40]: uh determine whether or not they're eligible, they meet the criteria they didn't receive PPP funding because you can't receive that, you can't duplicate uh the two different sources. Um and so there's a few different qualifications that they have to uh uh uh comply with as well as provide information [1:18:40, 1:19:00]: um that they are licensed in in this case that they're licensed to do business in the city of Stockbridge, that they're licensed through the the uh occupancy office there um and a few other uh other pieces then that we would set as as requirements for a a Stockbridge business and then um with that the final report would [1:19:00, 1:19:09]: would be made back to the council on uh the number of applications and and those approvals and the money that was expended um through the the audit process and that. [1:19:10, 1:19:10]: All right. [1:19:11, 1:19:11]: Right. [1:19:12, 1:19:14]: So questions council, you have. [1:19:15, 1:19:16]: All right, Mr. Alexander, go ahead. [1:19:17, 1:19:37]: Yeah, I'm uh I just want to say I'm fully in support of helping small business in any way that we can. And I think the right thing to do is to be able to reach out to the small business uh network in Stockbridge. And I think that um, you know, the city, I think every business in Stockbridge has an occupational license. [1:19:36, 1:19:41]: license so I think you know our staff would have very good access to [1:19:41, 1:20:01]: who uh is uh who should be s who this information should be sent out to. So if we work through even if we work through the chamber, they would have to get the information from us in order to facilitate it. I do I would like to hear more in detail about how it would actually work. So we can kind of decide uh how we're going to do it, whether [1:20:01, 1:20:21]: We're gonna do it in-house or whether we're gonna do it uh with the chamber. I think Henry County decided to do it in-house. So I would like to know more about it than just kind of a brief conversation because we got to turn this around uh very, very quickly. I do think that in the end, some of the municipalities are using it for rent relief. [1:20:21, 1:20:25]: relief as well because we have a lot of unemployed citizens. [1:20:26, 1:20:46]: And um we don't wanna see folks with couches and sofas out on the curb in front of all of our apartment buildings. So I would think that we will probably wanna reserve a portion of that for some type of rent relief too. But I'm in support of using it for small business relief and I think probably everybody would be for I I would hope to say, but I'll let everyb [1:20:46, 1:20:50]: Everybody speak on that for themselves. Ms. Cant, did you have your hand up, ma'am? [1:20:51, 1:21:02]: You're you're muted. You're muted. Okay. Hi. Uh one of my concerns, um, if we do when we talk about small businesses, of course we all um support small small businesses, I'm sure. [1:21:03, 1:21:03]: Um [1:21:04, 1:21:06]: When when they apply for [1:21:07, 1:21:09]: this particular fund. [1:21:10, 1:21:10]: Um [1:21:11, 1:21:24]: There are some small businesses that have suffered more than others. Um, and I say that being that you may have some facilities that have not been able to operate. [1:21:24, 1:21:30]: Because i whether it's a a bar or whether it's um [1:21:30, 1:21:44]: some kind of, you know, meeting gathering place where they haven't been able to operate at all. And then you have those other businesses that are business as usual. They may not have as many people come in. [1:21:44, 1:21:51]: But they have a larger percentage than those places that the governor actually put on a list and limited. [1:21:51, 1:22:01]: um and rule d things that could and could not take place. Um and so how are we how is that gonna pan out or have have [1:22:02, 1:22:04]: Ви воде бі а скал? [1:22:04, 1:22:10]: um of a particular type of business and priority wise or is it just whoever applies? Um [1:22:11, 1:22:14]: You know, and if they haven't received the other benefits already. [1:22:16, 1:22:26]: Mr. Lighton, um go ahead, sir. Yeah, I think that's that would be a part of the review process if if the chamber is involved, that the chamber would do there would be an application. [1:22:26, 1:22:35]: where each business would have to go through that application, fill out the necessary information on that application to ensure that they would um be eligible. [1:22:36, 1:22:48]: uh for these particular funds. And then it would be reviewed in this case if we um are connected to the chamber in this case, reviewed by the chamber to ensure that everything uh is in order with respect to the application. [1:22:49, 1:22:57]: We had talked about um in the preliminary sense, um, there being some type of limit or cap on the amount of funds that a particular business could receive. [1:22:58, 1:23:01]: But again, that's left up uh to the council to determine. [1:23:01, 1:23:06]: Um the uh other item would be the amount that you want to allocate. [1:23:06, 1:23:09]: Um as well, the total amount that you want to allocate. [1:23:09, 1:23:13]: You know, this could be done on a first come, first serve basis in terms of [1:23:13, 1:23:17]: Uh the applications that are received until funds are exhausted. [1:23:17, 1:23:21]: Uh or there could be um a uh committee set up to [1:23:21, 1:23:22]: Review [1:23:23, 1:23:25]: um those applications and make determination. [1:23:26, 1:23:32]: I think the one thing, the the most important thing in terms of the timing of all of this, and this was an issue. [1:23:32, 1:23:35]: Ви ситі з каунті'як стайт. [1:23:35, 1:23:45]: And I know that eight uh ACCG Association County Commissioners of Georgia and GMA have been lobbying governor's office or inquiring about extending the deadline, but it doesn't seem it's gonna be expent uh extended. [1:23:46, 1:23:50]: That the cities would need to expend or account for funds. [1:23:51, 1:23:54]: Um or spend those funds by September first. [1:23:55, 1:23:56]: That's you know the issue now. [1:23:57, 1:24:04]: If they in fact are expended to the chamber in this case, if the county or the the the council wants to go that route. [1:24:05, 1:24:06]: Then [1:24:06, 1:24:09]: They they could work with those local businesses. [1:24:09, 1:24:14]: And provide those funds beyond that beyond September first. [1:24:15, 1:24:16]: I've got that correct. [1:24:16, 1:24:21]: It the monies from the city have to be allocated by September first. [1:24:21, 1:24:24]: But you have an opportunity, or there would be an opportunity. [1:24:24, 1:24:30]: to provide those funds, uh review and vet applications and provide those funds beyond that. [1:24:30, 1:24:34]: Those funds actually have to be spent by those businesses. [1:24:34, 1:24:36]: By the end of this year. [1:24:37, 1:24:43]: All right. You had a recommendation uh for both the cap as well uh the total amount and also [1:24:44, 1:24:48]: a a thought process for per business. Do you want to discuss that or mention that now, sir? [1:24:48, 1:24:58]: I I will mention that and um my initial thought was based on um what my initial understanding was, which was akin to what many other cities [1:24:58, 1:25:01]: thought about the thirty percent and seventy percent money. [1:25:01, 1:25:08]: My initial thought was about the thirty percent money, but all of it, we understand now all of it. There's been was communication even over the weekend. [1:25:08, 1:25:09]: All of the money. [1:25:10, 1:25:20]: total has to be expended by September the first. So that being the case, there's obviously a much larger pool of money that could be available and would be available. [1:25:20, 1:25:22]: If it is the council's choosing. [1:25:23, 1:25:24]: Mr. Blount, please. [1:25:25, 1:25:28]: Mr. Night, I appreciate that information. Um and I agree with uh [1:25:29, 1:25:49]: Councilman uh Alexander and and Councilwoman Gantt. One of the things because I I and I agree that when we talk about expenditures of money that are coming in that are gonna be through the city of Stockbridge, I would like for uh us to have a three or four person committee or something like that to to confirm allocations of funds to the businesses in the city limits of Stockbridge. [1:25:49, 1:25:49]: Yeah. [1:25:50, 1:26:04]: Also, uh, if we could look at maybe because we're talking about how much how much business is it's gotta be first come, first serve until funds are gone. Why don't we look into something that's sixty to seventy five percent of the business and stop bridge and then we determine how much that would be? [1:26:05, 1:26:15]: uh per business and then this first come first serve or however however uh number you can make that to be and and it has to be first come first because it's hard for us to determine [1:26:16, 1:26:18]: What business need more than another? [1:26:18, 1:26:23]: And and we in the short limit of time we have, we have to come up with some type of formula. [1:26:23, 1:26:29]: to to to uh get these funds out, but I still but I do want the city of Stockbridge. [1:26:29, 1:26:33]: Uh I I want staff or some board that that that that comes up to uh [1:26:34, 1:26:38]: play a role in what what businesses get that get those fundings. [1:26:38, 1:26:48]: All right. Go through this process but by utilizing the services of the chamber. [1:26:49, 1:26:52]: Is that is that something that uh we want to do? [1:26:54, 1:26:56]: All right. Mayor split. [1:26:56, 1:27:04]: Yeah, well anybody. I mean I'm I'm talking to I'm talking to all of y'all. Well well I'm just saying I'm saying for me, I'm only one boat. For me. [1:27:04, 1:27:12]: If the city of Stockbridge can come up with their own board and we can just get those uh facilitate getting those funds out, I'm fine with it. But if we can't, [1:27:12, 1:27:18]: And if this if the chamber's in place to do that, then I'm okay with that. But I would look in in-house for the city to [1:27:19, 1:27:23]: Whatever we can do to facilitate it first. I mean, why put another entity on something that we're able to do? [1:27:24, 1:27:25]: Mr. Nine, please address that, sir. [1:27:26, 1:27:29]: No, I I think given again the [1:27:30, 1:27:33]: Expediency with by which we need to [1:27:33, 1:27:40]: or the council needs to consider allocating funds. And the apparatus essentially is set up already through the chamber. [1:27:41, 1:27:48]: Um, I think that uh I I I would recommend at this point that that's what uh uh the council do now. [1:27:48, 1:27:51]: The the issue with respect to [1:27:51, 1:27:56]: allocating the funds or which businesses receive the funds and how that's done. [1:27:56, 1:28:00]: That can be a stock bridge committee, if you will. [1:28:01, 1:28:03]: That can determine make that determination. [1:28:04, 1:28:05]: That makes sense. [1:28:06, 1:28:10]: The chamber would be the mechanism by which applications would be funneled. [1:28:10, 1:28:15]: reviewed and then if you would like to have a stockbridge committee [1:28:15, 1:28:19]: to make those determinations about or make or or determine the [1:28:19, 1:28:22]: manner in which funds are allocated. [1:28:22, 1:28:24]: That can be done. Just a follow up with Ms. Knight. [1:28:25, 1:28:29]: Uh, if you would clarify what apparatus are you talking about and uh [1:28:30, 1:28:35]: Be because I know that we have pe we have uh people in place and we have our own [1:28:36, 1:28:55]: Uh we we we know what businesses are in the city limits and um I'm just saying I don't know what apparatus are you talking about that the chamber would have that we wouldn't be able to facilitate or they could facilitate. Right. The the I think the issue and and now I'll look to the attorney to to make this clarification as well, but the issue is those funds would still be in our hands. [1:28:57, 1:28:58]: By September first. [1:28:58, 1:28:59]: That's the issue. [1:29:00, 1:29:05]: Um and if they're if if if they're in we we can't hold on to those funds. [1:29:06, 1:29:07]: Past September first. [1:29:07, 1:29:08]: We can't. [1:29:08, 1:29:10]: No, I that's about and so [1:29:10, 1:29:19]: What is it? What is it that the chamber? Um my question is, what is it that the that you feel the chamber is able to facilitate that quicker than we can? [1:29:20, 1:29:24]: Oh, I it's it's a matter of the mechanism by which funds have to be dispersed. [1:29:24, 1:29:28]: according to the CARES Act and what we were told over and over and over again. [1:29:28, 1:29:29]: Yeah. [1:29:29, 1:29:39]: is that the funds had to be utilized by September first. In other words, if you wanted to uh if you if you ordered something last month, [1:29:39, 1:29:41]: And it hadn't been received. [1:29:41, 1:29:43]: By September first. [1:29:43, 1:29:48]: That pro that particular item is not reimbursable. [1:29:48, 1:29:52]: They told us that over and over again. It had to be bought. [1:29:52, 1:29:57]: paid for and received by September first. So in this case, [1:29:57, 1:29:58]: What I'm saying is [1:29:58, 1:30:06]: And I see Joseph may want to add to this. He will. The the funds would have been extended to another party. [1:30:07, 1:30:08]: In this case, the chamber. [1:30:09, 1:30:13]: Which we would then be okay, the city of Stockbridge would have expended their funds. [1:30:14, 1:30:15]: By September first. [1:30:15, 1:30:22]: put it in the hands of the chamber um uh in this case, and then our funds would have been accounted for. [1:30:24, 1:30:25]: Okay. [1:30:25, 1:30:45]: Mr. And and what what what I'm simply what I'm simply facilitating for you is that one that you've now expended that portion and and and you're in compliance with that grant. And two, we have the online portal set up with all the compliance with [1:30:45, 1:31:01]: with what's eligible and what's not. And it's already created, it's already, you know, it's a simple act to turn it on and to put in their city of Stockbridge and make that all for for for city specific versus the Henry County one that we did for them. Um I you know I I it doesn't [1:31:03, 1:31:11]: We want to work with whomever wants to help business in c in the county. And so we're happy to work with you and and Mr. Knighton in that. Um [1:31:12, 1:31:32]: And and we can we can do this however. Um, you know, we can take those, we can look at them and review them, make that recommendation back to whomever that stockbridge uh committee is, whether it's the the council or staff or volunteers or whatever, and and and then you all approve whoever you decide to approve and then it comes back. [1:31:32, 1:31:35]: us and then we just cut the check. That whole time. [1:31:35, 1:31:46]: that will be in the hands of our accountants. So it's not, it's it's completely separated. It is a it is a restricted fund. It's not something I can go into and decide, okay, now we've got [1:31:46, 1:31:48]: Екстазен далар. [1:31:48, 1:32:00]: Um, I'm gonna use it for whatever because it's it's restricted to the Stockbridge Cares Grant Act. So it's not anything I really have control over. It's just my way of trying to help you all help the business community. [1:32:00, 1:32:17]: Follow Ms. Knightwood. Mr. Henning, uh uh a city does not I'm excuse me, a business does not necessarily have to be a member of the chamber to go through this process with you. Okay, good deal. Got it. All right. Um Mr. Blount, go ahead. No, it thank you, Mayor. I apologize. I should have said that the [1:32:20, 1:32:28]: Then in that case, then the list of of uh businesses that the chamber would be facilitating with the funds would be the list that we provide. [1:32:28, 1:32:35]: And I I think that we probably need to write but some type of agreement that those that that list of funding that's gonna be provided and through the [1:32:35, 1:32:38]: Portals that the uh chamber has already in place. [1:32:39, 1:32:41]: That those that that that those lists be [1:32:42, 1:32:42]: Um [1:32:43, 1:32:46]: validated to what what we want [1:32:47, 1:32:49]: T you know, that it has to be an agreement. [1:32:50, 1:33:07]: for those businesses to get those funding. And I appreciate the chamber. I appreciate you all uh willing to help uh facilitate that. Uh Mr. Knight, if we could just facilitate what we need to on our end, that that this marriage kind of works and and and get the money uh out in time in a timely fashion to the citizens, uh to the businesses. [1:33:07, 1:33:09]: Ms. Alexander, go ahead, please. [1:33:09, 1:33:15]: Mr. Thomas, I'll yield to Mess Mayor Pro Tem. He had his hand up. Okay, go ahead. Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead then. [1:33:16, 1:33:21]: I was gonna make a motion to include those things, but if you had other comments, then I will hold my motion. [1:33:23, 1:33:24]: Ms. Alexander, back to you. [1:33:25, 1:33:36]: I I mean honestly I I'm looking at the same thing, you know, we we we have the list ourselves. I mean, we don't we we don't have eight million dollars like Henry County who decided to do it all on their own. [1:33:37, 1:33:57]: We have four hundred thousand dollars. If you put that four hundred thousand dollars out there and you send a solicitation to you send this information to every business in Stockbridge, it'll be gone within seven days. It's not I mean it's it's not gonna take that long for folks to realize that four hundred thousand dollars is out there and that the money is [1:33:57, 1:34:16]: Is up and about because what's going to have to happen is occupational tax or whoever is going to have to generate the list, they're going to get it over to the chamber while they could generate the list themselves and go ahead and move the process forward. I mean, we have a staff that works in that department already. Why they could do it themselves. [1:34:16, 1:34:17]: Let me [1:34:17, 1:34:19]: Mr. Mayor, go ahead, please. [1:34:19, 1:34:22]: Uh two items I have to make so sure we [1:34:22, 1:34:24]: Everybody's clear about. [1:34:24, 1:34:27]: It's not four hundred thousand, it's one point five million. [1:34:28, 1:34:30]: Okay. [1:34:30, 1:34:39]: The ballot thousand for September thirtieth, right? No sir, no sir, no sir. It is one point five million by September first. [1:34:40, 1:34:40]: Okay. [1:34:41, 1:34:42]: It's it's all of it. [1:34:42, 1:34:53]: That was that was the issue before and the confusion that was going around the state. It's 1.5 million total by September 1st. Second thing is. [1:34:53, 1:35:01]: Again, if we did it in house, is still in our hands. We would not have expended the money. Therefore, we would have to forfeit. [1:35:02, 1:35:06]: Anything that has not been allocated, we would have to forfeit that money back. [1:35:07, 1:35:13]: So I just I want to be very, very clear about those two issues. And that's coming down from the state. [1:35:13, 1:35:23]: directly to us. I asked specific questions on that webinar yesterday. I said if we use the a a chamber of commerce, if we allocated this amount of money [1:35:23, 1:35:37]: By September 1st, would that meet the criteria that has been set? They said yes, because the monies would have been out of our hands expended for the purpose of COVID-related items for businesses. [1:35:38, 1:35:46]: Anything that we do not expend, we have not spent, we have not bought, we have not actually received, according to what they said. [1:35:47, 1:35:49]: He would have to forfeit those funds. [1:35:51, 1:35:52]: Hey, Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [1:35:52, 1:36:01]: Uh and and that that kind of clears some things up with us and like I said, and I appreciate the chamber doing it because um what what you made clear is that [1:36:01, 1:36:05]: We'll still be in control of the money, but we would we will be able to use all the money. [1:36:06, 1:36:18]: beyond September the first, because I look at the situation with the City of Atlanta losing over four million dollar grant that they're fighting back now to try to get back a hold of that it that they should have should have spent it. So right now the chamber saying they'll help. [1:36:19, 1:36:29]: We'll have the money all the money in the chamber hands and we can go beyond September the first. And then all the businesses that need that money that apply for it can get it. So I I'm I'm okay with that. [1:36:29, 1:36:30]: This can't do it. [1:36:30, 1:36:32]: I'm sorry, please. No, no. [1:36:32, 1:36:34]: Okay, thank you. [1:36:34, 1:36:34]: Lord. [1:36:35, 1:36:49]: Um I I agree with Councilman Blount. I also would like to, if you guys don't mind, it sounds like I think that it would make sense. I don't want to run the risk of losing any money, especially when it benefits our citizens and our businesses. [1:36:49, 1:36:50]: Um [1:36:50, 1:36:55]: So long as we, you know, direct staff to come up with some type of categories. [1:36:55, 1:36:56]: Um, you know. [1:36:57, 1:37:01]: In order to rank you know the priorities. [1:37:01, 1:37:05]: Um and I believe the chamber has has done a lot of that already. [1:37:05, 1:37:25]: Um, I would like to thank the chamber for that. And I recommend and ask businesses who are not a part of the chamber chamber to join the chamber. Um we're on the you know, on this topic and subject right now. But being that it's not it that is not one of the ways uh or reasons uh you still can get money. [1:37:25, 1:37:30]: um and it money can be issued to those businesses even if they're not a member. [1:37:30, 1:37:38]: I think that the staff should or or mayor council at at some point should qu quickly [1:37:38, 1:37:42]: get together those categories um and look into, you know [1:37:43, 1:37:45]: prior prioritizing the way we [1:37:46, 1:37:47]: give out funds. [1:37:48, 1:37:48]: Um h [1:37:49, 1:37:53]: Mayor, if you don't mind, I would like oh, everybody got kept comments. I was gonna make a motion. [1:37:54, 1:38:02]: Um just to go ahead and approve this and with those caveats. Actually earlier Mayor Pro Tem said he wanted to make the most. [1:38:03, 1:38:06]: Before we do that, Mr. Knighton, I think you have something else you need to say, sir. [1:38:06, 1:38:26]: I'll I'll hold in comments until I think uh Councilman Alexander and I wanted to hear Councilman Alexander comments and maybe another combination. And then it's all one point five million dollars. Uh the only question I have for Mr. Henning is there any type of financial [1:38:26, 1:38:29]: No. [1:38:30, 1:38:45]: There the the chamber is not charging any administrative fee for this process. We are here to work with you to support the businesses of Stockbridge, whether they're chamber members or not. It's all good for the economy. It's all good for the residents of the county. [1:38:47, 1:38:51]: All right, thank you, sir. Appreciate that. Mayor Potem, go ahead, please. Thank you, sir. I I [1:38:52, 1:39:10]: I think it's pretty clear it's pretty clear for me the way Mr. Hennan and Mr. Nighting explained it. Uh and and if all hearts and minds are really satisfied, I like to move that uh we do the set of Stark Bridge do receive uh these funds. And I think the key though is is in the Stark Bridge committee. [1:39:11, 1:39:11]: Uh [1:39:12, 1:39:28]: depending on we want to have a combination of staff and counsel. I think that's where the work is involved, but I think it's clear the way Mr. Hennin and Mr. Knight explain it. So I move that we accept this and test the uh city manager to come up with some [1:39:28, 1:39:40]: uh suggestion or the council work this out as far as the stock bridge committee, the way uh we disperse uh these funds. So I'd like to move that we accept this and move forward on it. [1:39:40, 1:39:53]: disperse the funds by by utilizing the chamber to assist us with this. Using using the chamber and um the CF Stockbridge create the review committee as to how uh the funds will be uh dispersed. [1:39:53, 1:39:54]: A second. [1:39:54, 1:39:55]: All right. [1:39:55, 1:39:57]: Any further discussion? Um [1:39:57, 1:39:58]: Mr. Knight, go ahead, sir. [1:39:59, 1:40:06]: I I didn't need to ask um if there was an amount that you that the council wanted to apply. [1:40:06, 1:40:09]: Um to these phones because [1:40:11, 1:40:13]: We've got a lot available. [1:40:13, 1:40:21]: Again, uh Councilman Glant uh Gantt, please. Councilman. I'm thinking about three I I've heard on average three thousand. Isn't that been the number? [1:40:22, 1:40:24]: We we had does anyone have any [1:40:24, 1:40:25]: Expertise on that? [1:40:26, 1:40:28]: We we had discussed in terms of [1:40:28, 1:40:33]: And I think you're speaking to uh the cap on on business, how much [1:40:33, 1:40:36]: Yeah, discuss ten ten thousand. [1:40:37, 1:40:45]: But I you know again, that's that's left up to you. What I'm I think what I'm mentioning or addressing is the amount of money that's available. [1:40:46, 1:40:49]: We literally are talking about a million plus dollars. [1:40:51, 1:40:51]: Okay. [1:40:52, 1:40:52]: Yeah. [1:40:53, 1:41:08]: Do you have some other suggestion? I I'm saying are you saying that we have other options with besides the one point five million? I mean what the one point five million goes directly to all the small businesses, or are you saying we divide it up? What is your suggestion as city manager? [1:41:09, 1:41:10]: Well [1:41:11, 1:41:15]: The issue with respect to the amount of funds are available, one point five million are available. [1:41:15, 1:41:22]: In terms of direct expenses that the city has had and likely will account for, it's probably gonna be in about$200,000. [1:41:23, 1:41:25]: So we have a direct expenses that we have spent. [1:41:26, 1:41:42]: on the various items related to COVID-related expenses that we can account for. Okay? Everything that we've masks, hand sanitizer, gloves, dispensers, extra cleaning, teleworking items, everything that we've accounted for. [1:41:43, 1:41:45]: And again, I'd I'd simply mention that. [1:41:46, 1:41:51]: Because we don't have the public safety police and fire when most cities are applying all of this money to their salary. [1:41:52, 1:41:53]: Already since March the first. [1:41:54, 1:41:56]: We obviously can't do that. That's where they're spending their money. [1:41:56, 1:41:59]: We don't have that and so we got this available money. [1:42:00, 1:42:05]: um to be able to either use for direct expenses, which I just explained, is not [1:42:05, 1:42:12]: 200,000 relative speaking to 1.5. And so how else could these monies potentially be utilized? [1:42:12, 1:42:15]: Um to support small businesses in this case. [1:42:15, 1:42:18]: Mr. Henning, go ahead, sir. You got something that you need to add, sir. [1:42:18, 1:42:33]: Thank you, Mayor. Um Mr. Knighton, would it be would you be comfortable if they started with an initial amount of one million or would you need more than that? I because it has to you I guess what we could do is we could always put that back to the city. [1:42:34, 1:42:41]: if it wasn't used for business, you know, if it wasn't used for the small businesses. We just need to get it out of your hands by the first [1:42:41, 1:42:50]: That's correct. And if those monies were not used, say we did not use all of those monies, any of those monies that were not used, we would have to turn back in, and that's fine. [1:42:50, 1:42:52]: Turn back into the state, that's fine. [1:42:52, 1:42:55]: I'm saying because we have to account for everything that goes out. [1:42:55, 1:42:57]: But um uh [1:42:58, 1:43:00]: You know, I'd take direction from the council on that. [1:43:00, 1:43:07]: All right. I'm sorry, so if you said there was two hundred thousand that you've expended, so one point three roughly is still available. [1:43:08, 1:43:09]: That would be correct. [1:43:11, 1:43:25]: Okay, I'm gonna go back to Mr. Ms. uh Gantt, please, because it started with you. Well I I wanted to say he's already clarified it, Mr. Um Henning has. In regards to that, I say we take the money that's already been spent. [1:43:26, 1:43:31]: And make sure that that's covered and any you know, or if we're having one more [1:43:31, 1:43:33]: Oh, we know we're gonna do one future. [1:43:33, 1:43:34]: Um [1:43:34, 1:43:37]: that's up to mayor council, but the remaining balance [1:43:37, 1:43:42]: goes to the chamber to sp to spend for the um small businesses. [1:43:43, 1:43:44]: Councilman Blount, please. [1:43:46, 1:43:46]: Uh [1:43:47, 1:43:49]: I don't see why we couldn't take [1:43:49, 1:43:52]: Seventy five percent of our businesses [1:43:52, 1:43:53]: And then [1:43:54, 1:44:01]: Calculate that money on seventy-five percent of the businesses because the chamber says in their portal they already have something that's gonna determine. [1:44:01, 1:44:03]: If the business is even eligible. [1:44:04, 1:44:24]: So I'm pretty sure that we're not gonna be giving a hundred percent of the businesses, they're not gonna be applying for loans. I don't think a hundred percent of the businesses are. So if we take the money and seventy-five percent, that would determine how much we can give per business. If we take seventy-five percent of the businesses and and and and see what that number comes out to, because some of those are gonna be kicked back probably. [1:44:24, 1:44:28]: [6269.0, 6276.7]: Through what the uh uh um uh chamber already has. So why wouldn't we just take 75% of the business and calculate and see what that comes out to? [1:44:37, 1:44:38]: Mr. Alexander. [1:44:38, 1:44:50]: Uh yes, I mean uh we did I did talk about uh other other ways that the cities was spending the money in terms of uh rental reimbursement and helping people who are struggling. [1:44:51, 1:45:11]: Uh that's one of the categories that the money is being used for. And we're gonna have that problem. I mean, it just announced the other day that Delta was gonna be furloughing 2,000 pilots, and folks are the layoffs are coming. So why don't why can't we put some of the money aside to assist struggle? I know the chamber is dealing with the business. [1:45:11, 1:45:14]: businesses but we should put some money aside to help [1:45:14, 1:45:34]: people in the community who are struggling. As I know, doing the food drive every day there every week, people need help. So we need to reserve some of these funds to help citizens in need and those who are struggling who got unemployed for their unemployment. The six hundred dollars ended for the unemployed and now the [1:45:34, 1:45:52]: These these folks are gonna need some help. Evictions are starting to happen. So could we sit aside a portion of this money to assist um struggling homeowners or uh rental or or uh rental, rentals uh who are struggling, renters who are struggling. [1:45:53, 1:45:56]: Mr. Knight, I know you can answer that question, sir. Okay. [1:45:57, 1:46:02]: Um here's what I'd uh I'll try to answer that question this way. [1:46:02, 1:46:06]: Again, it's it's an issue of the monies having to be [1:46:06, 1:46:10]: having to leave our hands by September first. [1:46:10, 1:46:11]: Now [1:46:11, 1:46:17]: I believe uh this community maybe Statesboro or somewhere down South Georgia. [1:46:17, 1:46:23]: or one or two others, I think has have talked about or have allocated a portion of their funds. [1:46:24, 1:46:26]: to a nonprofit like the United Way. [1:46:27, 1:46:28]: To [1:46:29, 1:46:30]: Провай супорт. [1:46:31, 1:46:35]: uh to people for various things uh similar to what you talked about. [1:46:35, 1:46:38]: But again, it it's a matter for for us. [1:46:39, 1:46:43]: The money having to be transferred or transmitted by September the first. [1:46:45, 1:46:45]: Mr. Blount. [1:46:46, 1:46:58]: Go ahead. Uh I I'm at my I'm actually in agreement with Councilman Alexander. If that's I I see uh uh Mr. Henny from the chambers wanting to speak. Is there an entity that we can train because you look at thirty five [1:46:59, 1:47:09]: Let's just say thirty-five thousand p citizens in the city of Stockbridge, even if we did a thousand dollars a household, that's only thirty-five thousand dollars or one point three million dollars. [1:47:09, 1:47:13]: Um, so Mr. Henning, uh if you have any suggestion or I see you're trying to get in here. [1:47:16, 1:47:18]: No, I think I think we've got [1:47:18, 1:47:27]: at at least in in my head, there's two different conversations we have going. And I think the first one is is Mr. Knighton and Councilwoman Gantt and and and trying to figure out [1:47:28, 1:47:43]: how much the balance of that one point four, one point five, um, whatever that is, that y'all need to get get technically get rid of by the end of the month. And so I think that's the number we're trying to work with. I think I'm okay with [1:47:43, 1:47:55]: If if it is the council's wish and vote that we partner with you for the distribution, then I can work out with Mr. Knighton what it is we want, you know, where we can make [1:47:55, 1:48:07]: where we can put to small business, where we can put to not for profits, where we can put to the community as a whole, whether it's through testing or rep relief or whatever that might be, as long as it falls within [1:48:08, 1:48:21]: those requirements of that CARES Act because that's what we all ultimately have to be careful of is that yes, it honors what that act originally was written for. And so I think the the the the first question is [1:48:21, 1:48:28]: How much money do we need to move and and expend by the end of the month so that you all don't have to give it back? [1:48:28, 1:48:48]: And then from there we can look at, okay, this is the amount of money we have. Let's look at this much for business, this much for not-for-profits, and this much for community support. And I'm happy to have that conversation. I we can still do that. We could we could turn over, you know, if you say 20% of whatever that is we move, you want to go to rental relief, we can turn that over to. [1:48:48, 1:49:01]: to United Way or connecting Henry and they can facilitate that for the residents of Stockbridge. If you don't want us to do that, that's fine. I we just need to make sure that whoever's doing it, we trust them enough that they're going to do the paper trail so that [1:49:01, 1:49:04]: We're all k okay once once all is said and done. [1:49:06, 1:49:08]: All right. Does that sound right, Mr. Knighton? [1:49:08, 1:49:10]: Yes, no, I I yeah. [1:49:11, 1:49:12]: Sounds good to me. [1:49:13, 1:49:28]: So we got 1.3, so a million for um businesses, 300,000 for citizens, or split so we said seventy-five percent, whatever or seventy-five uh seven hundred and fifty thousand for businesses and the remainder for nonprofits. [1:49:30, 1:49:31]: Throwing a number up there. [1:49:32, 1:49:35]: Mr. Bear, Mr. Bear. [1:49:35, 1:49:41]: Since everyone hates lawyers, I'll be the one that that gets hated. Um just a word of caution. [1:49:42, 1:49:43]: Um [1:49:43, 1:49:50]: You know, the this money uh is a windfall for cities like Stockbridge that doesn't have uh uh public safety. [1:49:51, 1:49:52]: Um [1:49:52, 1:49:54]: uh apparatus like [1:49:54, 1:49:57]: Henry County, McDonough, the others. [1:49:57, 1:50:03]: Um the only concern I have though is you take the million dollars or and some change. [1:50:04, 1:50:11]: Um, you as a city are responsible for how that money is ultimately spent. [1:50:11, 1:50:18]: And you're responsible back to through the state to the federal government. And so if there's an issue [1:50:18, 1:50:26]: um with how the money's spent or if there's a problem, then the city is on the hook for that. Not I mean, it's very unlikely that we'll [1:50:26, 1:50:31]: be able to go back and and get money back once it's it's already out there. And so [1:50:32, 1:50:33]: Rather than [1:50:33, 1:50:53]: spending every penny, I would I would caution you and and perhaps do you know some portion, whether it's$500,000 for businesses and and maybe some other amount for uh uh low-income assistance, housing assistance, for instance, for uh folks who can't uh make their uh rental payments. [1:50:53, 1:50:58]: would suggest you limit it in in some capacity and not spin every single nickel. [1:50:59, 1:51:00]: Um then there's there's the [1:51:00, 1:51:06]: outside chance or however unlikely that the governor may relent on this deadline. [1:51:07, 1:51:08]: And give us more time. [1:51:09, 1:51:14]: Um and there may be other city expenditures that you may then find that you wish it. [1:51:14, 1:51:17]: you'd reserve money for. So I'm just trying to [1:51:17, 1:51:18]: To [1:51:18, 1:51:23]: suggest you be cautious and not necessarily spend every single dime [1:51:23, 1:51:29]: even though I'm sure every single dime is needed, but you may find yourself wishing you hadn't done that. [1:51:30, 1:51:40]: Mayor. Uh y yes, uh Miss Moore. Morata, please. Right. I I'm sorry, I just want to weigh in this one time. I know when we talk, I think the issue is out of one point four [1:51:41, 1:51:43]: Are we gonna give one point three to the chamber? [1:51:44, 1:51:46]: And two hundred thousand to the city. [1:51:47, 1:52:07]: To get reimbursed for our expenses. And I thought that was the initial question: how do we spend the 1.4? And I think what Mr. Henning was saying was that if we give them the 1.3, then afterwards the city has time to create a panel based on that panel to decide what the criteria are. [1:52:07, 1:52:27]: Maybe decide at that point in time how much they want to give to the businesses, how much they want to give to nonprofits, we would have met the September 1st deadline and all of those other things in terms of your committee, your cap, all of that could be decided September the 30th or September 15th. [1:52:26, 1:52:43]: But I think the issue was, from my understanding, is tonight, are you going to give the chamber the 1.3, us the$200,000, to let the state know that it's September the 1st, it's out of our coffer, and we're going to get reimbursed the$200,000. [1:52:44, 1:52:50]: Okay, thank you for that explanation. It's and so Mr. Knight, so it's only two hundred thousand. I thought it was a little more than two hundred thousand in the sense that we spent thus far. [1:52:51, 1:53:02]: No, it's it's actually less than that. I think we've we've got some things in the hopper right now. My my thought is the estim by September first, it'll be two hundred thousand. [1:53:02, 1:53:07]: But we've we've expended probably a hundred and twenty, thirty thousand. [1:53:07, 1:53:09]: Uh-huh. Actuals right now. [1:53:09, 1:53:29]: Um and and I'm saying two hundred thousand would probably be the most that we would expect direct cost. Whether or not we may have to revisit this or not. [1:53:29, 1:53:39]: wasn't an allocation in terms of how much um for businesses, how much for other entities, or how much to reserve for the city. [1:53:39, 1:53:42]: Okay, and that's what you have, right, uh clerk? [1:53:42, 1:53:44]: Is that correct for what you have written down? [1:53:44, 1:53:46]: Make sure it's correct. She's got it correctly. [1:53:47, 1:53:50]: Sorry to put you on the spot there. I gotta ask the question. [1:53:54, 1:53:57]: Muted. Muted. You muted. [1:53:59, 1:54:00]: You're still muted. [1:54:01, 1:54:02]: You still muted, Vanessa? [1:54:03, 1:54:16]: There we go. Go ahead now. Okay. The motion that I have by um Mayor Pro Tem Thomas and Councilwoman Gantt is that you're going to utilize the chamber and also establish a stock bridge review committee. [1:54:17, 1:54:18]: That's what the motion was. [1:54:19, 1:54:20]: Okay. [1:54:21, 1:54:21]: So [1:54:22, 1:54:25]: If you must be correct, but as um [1:54:26, 1:54:34]: I think Mr. William indicated that we did not talk about the uh the portions. Or maybe Mrs. Moore talked about that, but the portions. [1:54:35, 1:54:40]: Okay. That's correct. That can be decided later. That need to be in the motion. [1:54:41, 1:54:45]: Okay, doesn't have to uh it's okay, one second. Ms. Gantt, you had your hand up earlier. [1:54:46, 1:54:49]: I was gonna ask um Mr Williams [1:54:50, 1:54:58]: Can you give us the appropriate way of handling this motion by making sure that we're just we've covered the basis that we need to cover minus [1:54:59, 1:55:06]: The actual percentage allocation just to make sure that we have a directive where we are going to give the chamber the money. [1:55:07, 1:55:09]: And then we are going to [1:55:09, 1:55:12]: Have a uh you know, a panel. [1:55:12, 1:55:22]: or or whatever to determine how we want to allocate funds minus the two hundred thousand that we are setting aside for money that we've already spent. [1:55:23, 1:55:27]: L let me let me offer a couple of things. One, um I c I can state [1:55:28, 1:55:30]: I recommend at least two motions. [1:55:31, 1:55:33]: Um after the the pending one is withdrawn. [1:55:34, 1:55:48]: The first motion would just be to adopt the CARES Act resolution that sets the stage for accepting the funds in the first place. That would be one standalone motion and a resolution has been prepared to that effect. [1:55:48, 1:55:53]: The second motion would be to authorize an agreement. [1:55:53, 1:55:58]: With the uh Henry County Chamber of Commerce to provide for them to. [1:55:59, 1:56:10]: uh to implement a program for small business relief um and or other forms of covet nineteen relief to the residents of the city of stockbridge. [1:56:11, 1:56:31]: Then in the agreement that we'll work on, we'll set forth the terms under which businesses have eligibility to apply for and receive funds, and then the terms under which they provide funds to suitable uh third parties that provide COVID-19 relief. [1:56:31, 1:56:36]: to the residents, whether it's uh rental relief or whatever, all that will be in the agreement. [1:56:37, 1:56:41]: Um that will also provide for some level of review by [1:56:41, 1:57:01]: uh the city for to ensure that the funds are properly expended. That can be the the committee that that uh has been referenced. So I believe again one resolution to or one motion to approve the resolution and a second motion to approve an agreement with the Henry County Chamber along the lines that I just referenced. [1:57:01, 1:57:01]: Yeah. [1:57:02, 1:57:04]: Okay, on that note to do that. [1:57:04, 1:57:08]: Miraple Tim, uh you would have to withdraw your motion and and reestablish a new one, sir. [1:57:09, 1:57:14]: Okay, uh Mr. Mayor and Council, I withdraw the first motion. [1:57:15, 1:57:17]: And I come forward with the new motion. [1:57:18, 1:57:25]: to uh actually for the city of stockbridge to receive the uh covet nineteen funding. [1:57:25, 1:57:27]: Secondly. [1:57:27, 1:57:31]: I like to move to uh set the relief requirements. [1:57:32, 1:57:33]: Um with that [1:57:34, 1:57:46]: And I think it sounds like Mr. Williams outta talked about a third or a no two. It's only two. Does that cover the two? The first one the first motion to receive. [1:57:48, 1:58:00]: No, uh Mr. Mayor, if I could recommend we just uh a motion would be in order to approve the CARES Act funding resolution. Just that alone. Yes, I understand. I think that's what I said in uh the first motion is to [1:58:01, 1:58:04]: receive the care covet nineteen cares act [1:58:04, 1:58:06]: Finding number one. [1:58:06, 1:58:07]: A second. [1:58:08, 1:58:10]: Okay. Yeah, now we got a boat. [1:58:10, 1:58:12]: Yes. Okay. Okay. [1:58:12, 1:58:15]: All all in favor of that motion, please indicate. [1:58:15, 1:58:21]: All right. All right. Thank you. That deals with the resolution. There you go. All right. Thank you. All right. [1:58:22, 1:58:25]: If you want to do another one, go right ahead. If we can get this right here. [1:58:26, 1:58:31]: Okay, secondly I move that we set the relief requirements. [1:58:32, 1:58:34]: I'm hoping that is the correct term, uh, Mr. William. [1:58:35, 1:58:36]: As to um [1:58:37, 1:58:39]: how the funds will be dispersed. [1:58:41, 1:58:48]: Uh my my suggestion, co uh Mayor Pro Tem, is is uh the motion be awarded to authorize an agreement. [1:58:48, 1:58:50]: with the Henry County Chamber. [1:58:51, 1:58:54]: to implement our covet nineteen relief. [1:58:54, 1:58:57]: program for businesses and residents. [1:58:58, 1:59:03]: Okay, so uh Mr. Mayor and Council, the second motion is to authorize [1:59:04, 1:59:05]: The chamber. [1:59:06, 1:59:07]: Uh to [1:59:08, 1:59:12]: facilitate uh the the funds for the city of stockbridge. [1:59:13, 1:59:16]: With authorized with authorized agreement in process there. [1:59:17, 1:59:20]: For businesses and resonates. Right. [1:59:20, 1:59:22]: So government agreement. Second. [1:59:25, 1:59:26]: Okay. [1:59:26, 1:59:32]: We made it and seconded by uh Alexander committee, a committee uh motion. [1:59:33, 1:59:33]: Right. [1:59:34, 1:59:36]: All the favorite things in the cake. [1:59:37, 1:59:37]: Okay. [1:59:38, 1:59:45]: I have a qu I have a question real quick for Mr. Okay, all right. You got a question. So is Mr. Knighton. Go ahead. Go, what's your question, sir? Mr. K henney, can you hear me? [1:59:46, 1:59:46]: Yes. [1:59:47, 1:59:50]: Uh when we talk about businesses [1:59:50, 1:59:57]: Uh are nonprofits able with the CARES Act are they able to also get those funds? [1:59:57, 2:00:17]: They are and we would just have to figure out whether, you know, what those requirements would be um, you know, as we set those up. Uh yes. And and if you want them included, we will make sure they're included. The conversation that Mr. Knighton and I had were um small business. So it's just something else that we can add to that piece. All right, thanks. [2:00:17, 2:00:20]: Mm-hmm. Ms. Nine, go ahead, sir. [2:00:22, 2:00:28]: Yes, uh Mr. Mayor and Council. I I I don't know if I missed it, I apologize. Was there an amount determined? [2:00:29, 2:00:29]: No. [2:00:31, 2:00:33]: Uh no, actually it was not. It wasn't stated. [2:00:34, 2:00:39]: So I I I I need an amount because we have to make this [2:00:40, 2:00:45]: Um we have to provide this through the state portal of what we're actually expending. [2:00:46, 2:00:46]: But [2:00:47, 2:00:59]: Mayor, Mayor, if you will. Mr. Knighton, I thought that we have because of the two hundred thousand that was coming back to the city, I thought we all agreed it was one point three million to the chamber and we determine how it's gonna be dispersed. [2:00:59, 2:01:02]: That's fine. That and that if that's the clarification D, that's fine. [2:01:03, 2:01:04]: I just want to be clear. [2:01:04, 2:01:05]: Okay. [2:01:06, 2:01:07]: Any other questions? [2:01:09, 2:01:11]: All right. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:01:14, 2:01:15]: Ah, it's unanimous. [2:01:15, 2:01:16]: And I got it. [2:01:16, 2:01:19]: I certainly hope that uh Vanessa has this motion down correctly. [2:01:20, 2:01:22]: I d I d I do. [2:01:22, 2:01:24]: And and it's on tape, so that's okay. [2:01:25, 2:01:26]: Thank you very much, ma'am. [2:01:26, 2:01:27]: All right. [2:01:27, 2:01:36]: Mr. Henney, thank you very much, sir, for your service and appreciate you being here. You're more than welcome to stay if you like. If not, have a good evening and I know I'll be talking to you in the morning. [2:01:39, 2:01:50]: Thank you. I will see you in the morning. It's my pleasure. Thank you all, uh, mayor and and and city council. And I look forward to working with you all to help those businesses and the residents of Stockbridge. So thank you very much and have a great evening. [2:01:50, 2:01:51]: Thank you. Bye bye. [2:01:52, 2:02:03]: Okay. Uh council consideration to rescind re resolution R seventeen dash eight eight nine information policy on respect to certain economic development matters. Mr. Williams, please. [2:02:04, 2:02:14]: So this is uh at the request of a a number of council members to um rescind a policy which was adopted uh [2:02:15, 2:02:28]: a few years ago related to economic development information um and pending uh applications, things of that sort. Um so the resolution just rescinds the prior [2:02:28, 2:02:33]: uh resolution and and going forward we would [2:02:33, 2:02:35]: There would be no specific policy. [2:02:36, 2:02:37]: Um now [2:02:38, 2:02:41]: A couple things to that point. Number one. [2:02:42, 2:02:47]: The the the previous rationale or the rationale for the previous policy, I should say. [2:02:47, 2:02:53]: was that y uh economic development um can be a sensitive issue and [2:02:53, 2:02:58]: Uh we want to be careful to protect uh information um that's [2:02:58, 2:03:15]: um presented to the city in order to preserve the best possible chance to land various the business um developments, things of that sort. And so the the it was recommended at that time that the council adopt a [2:03:15, 2:03:17]: a policy that limited [2:03:17, 2:03:20]: The uh flow of information from staff. [2:03:21, 2:03:26]: Um to council members to only to that which necessary whenever [2:03:26, 2:03:29]: Um matters came before the mayor and council. [2:03:29, 2:03:34]: Um that was adopted and and that's been the case ever since. Um [2:03:34, 2:03:44]: And so in rescinding that is is totally within your purview as a mayor and counsel. You do not have to keep that. There's there's no magic to it and [2:03:44, 2:03:47]: I've stated before in various um uh [2:03:48, 2:04:00]: um circumstances that um the mayor and council provide oversight to city operations and in in that capacity you are entitled to every [2:04:00, 2:04:08]: uh stitch of information that is uh available to the staff on an equal basis. And that is your right. And so [2:04:09, 2:04:10]: You know [2:04:10, 2:04:13]: going forward, I I have no um [2:04:13, 2:04:19]: uh comfort in ever advising the staff to withhold information from the mayor and council. [2:04:19, 2:04:24]: But if that's the policy that the council d dictates, then so be it. But [2:04:24, 2:04:40]: Um what you again, what you have presented is is a uh resolution that rescinds the previous policy and then we go forward sort of along the lines I just indicated, whereas you're entitled to information um whenever uh it is requested. [2:04:41, 2:04:43]: Thank you, sir. Mr. Alezana, go ahead. [2:04:44, 2:04:54]: Yeah, I think uh what has really happened though, uh the some unintended consequences of that particular policy was we have developments popping up all over town. [2:04:55, 2:04:59]: And we have citizens that ask us about it and we're like, What do you mean? [2:05:00, 2:05:01]: I didn't know about that. [2:05:02, 2:05:06]: You know, like the town homes that just you know came up on campground road. [2:05:07, 2:05:13]: You know, that didn't come to us because the zoning was already in place. We found out about Higler Corporation, maybe like [2:05:15, 2:05:32]: uh a few days before the groundbreaking was actually to occur. It is incumbent upon us to be aware of what is going on, but to you know, to protect the information if we understand that the situation is very sensitive and negotiations are ongoing. [2:05:32, 2:05:52]: But it is pertinent that council members understand what is coming to the city. You know, in our Main Street discussion that we were having a couple of weeks ago, uh, it was uh uh let we found out that there were some townhome communities coming uh through the pipeline on East Atlanta Road. I had no idea. [2:05:52, 2:05:57]: Да давай с івент з пой. [2:05:57, 2:05:58]: And [2:05:58, 2:06:03]: Now they're moving along through the process. As we go back through it, I think [2:06:04, 2:06:24]: Uh maybe the Hudson Ridge situation, if we had had more information about it before it came out and been able to get actively involved with it, might have had a different outcome. I don't know. But um I I personally don't want to walk around the city blinded every time something comes up and somebody asks me what it is, and I [2:06:24, 2:06:28]: I don't know what it is and I have no information on it, then I gotta go to staff. [2:06:28, 2:06:31]: We understand how sensitive information can be. [2:06:31, 2:06:41]: But at the same time, I don't wanna walk around blind, not knowing uh what new developments are coming to the city. So I think it's pretty straightforward in that that aspect. [2:06:42, 2:06:45]: Mr Mayor, may I speak? Uh yes, go right ahead, uh Miss Moore. [2:06:46, 2:06:51]: Right. Um I think there's a difference for education and purpose between economic development [2:06:51, 2:06:53]: information and development information. [2:06:54, 2:06:57]: Oh, we don't deal with economic development. My office doesn't. [2:06:58, 2:07:11]: We deal with development information. So I want to make sure that uh what Mayor and Council understands on the development side, there are legal requirements that basically says until we have an application. [2:07:12, 2:07:15]: Only then is it a project. [2:07:15, 2:07:24]: So we can have there's a 78 acre track and I know once a month somebody will call and say, we would like to develop this, right? [2:07:24, 2:07:44]: What we do in terms of legal requirements on the development side is that once an application is made, and maybe Marion Council is not aware of this link, I will send it out tonight. But every time an application is made, that information is posted for Marion Council and the public. So Councilman Alexander, if you had gone to our website. [2:07:44, 2:08:04]: website, the information on the townhomes would have been available. And again, that is once we have a viable project. Everything else is just discussions, right? But once somebody comes in and says, you know what, we are now filing an application and it's now official, then we're in [2:08:04, 2:08:24]: into the permitting process. Now what we can do is that we can everybody that wants to talk to us about a possibility, we have no problem sending you an email to say today we talked to four or five companies who may be interested in these parcels. [2:08:24, 2:08:37]: okay with sharing that information. It's just that most of the times they don't result into anything that's real. What is real is once legally they file an application, we then have a project and then we're able to move forward. [2:08:39, 2:08:40]: Councilwoman Gann, go ahead, please. [2:08:44, 2:08:44]: Yeah. [2:08:46, 2:08:51]: Just muted. You're you're you m you muted. You muted yourself. There you go. It's more uh uh [2:08:51, 2:08:55]: Uh thank you, but I beg to differ on a couple of things. Um [2:08:56, 2:09:02]: If once the application has been filled or or submitted, I just ask that [2:09:03, 2:09:11]: your staff or someone send us a notice or or send us a letter. I don't know if council, mayor council, we can please go to the link at all times, but [2:09:12, 2:09:26]: where us to be surprised about certain projects that are up and running and permits have been pulled. Um that I don't want. I I think that we should all be put on notice as soon as we know that the project is moving forward. [2:09:26, 2:09:27]: Um [2:09:28, 2:09:36]: I've taken a lot of economic development classes, and I know for a fact that economic development directors and departments. [2:09:37, 2:09:43]: Don't want their mayors and councils knowing about potential projects that [2:09:44, 2:09:45]: Have not [2:09:45, 2:09:47]: Come into fruit fruit fruit. [2:09:48, 2:09:51]: have not come into place where they are actually [2:09:52, 2:10:02]: an application has been filed or permit has been filed. If they're going around searching or they're looking for particular areas, we might be one of their top three spots. [2:10:04, 2:10:07]: Economic development directors and development authorities. [2:10:07, 2:10:10]: Don't go reaching out saying, hey. [2:10:10, 2:10:14]: Amazon's looking at you right now. They just don't and there's a reason for that. [2:10:15, 2:10:15]: Um [2:10:16, 2:10:17]: Those companies pull back. [2:10:18, 2:10:21]: For those very reasons when things get out. [2:10:22, 2:10:25]: such as popular restaurants and they're not really ready to [2:10:25, 2:10:26]: Be there. [2:10:27, 2:10:35]: And if they don't, then they they get up and walk because, you know, someone put out information way prematurely without them even having a permit. [2:10:36, 2:10:36]: Um [2:10:37, 2:10:37]: And so [2:10:38, 2:10:42]: It's a little different. I think that we should [2:10:42, 2:10:44]: Get information. [2:10:44, 2:10:58]: when an application has been filed and permits are being pulled and people are ready to go. I think we should add that as to our our normal monthly routine of updates and reports of new businesses coming in and or or what's going on here in the city. [2:10:59, 2:11:02]: But when it comes to people shopping around, potential [2:11:03, 2:11:07]: developers and retail and stores and entertainment. [2:11:08, 2:11:12]: Um and they haven't concretely said this is what we're gonna do. [2:11:12, 2:11:23]: You can go ask anybody, go to the Georgia Department of Economic Development, go speak to any executive director, go speak to any professor. They're gonna tell you that mayor and council members. [2:11:24, 2:11:25]: Don't know. [2:11:26, 2:11:27]: They don't know that part up front. [2:11:27, 2:11:31]: So those are the and if they do, it's bec and the reason why is because [2:11:32, 2:11:37]: Of the potential of spreading and people reaching out when that's not what [2:11:37, 2:11:40]: That's not the way um economic development is set up. [2:11:41, 2:12:01]: And what I can do, Mayor Ford, is like I say, uh so that you won't have to go to the link, uh, I will in the quarterly reports that we do submit to the clerk's office, we do actually provide all that update information. But what I can do is that the frequency upon which we actually issue permits is to send you that up that [2:12:01, 2:12:21]: Because at that point in time, once somebody has filed, it is actually a real project. And I cannot tell you how many calls you know I get a day, and it'll be on the same track of land, and the owner is shopping. And so he has different builders calling us about the same piece of land, but nobody has decided to move, it's just the skill. [2:12:21, 2:12:41]: And so Councilman Alexander, any information that's pertinent that we can provide to you, I can definitely keep you abreast of everything active. If you just want information in terms of how many people we talk to a day, in terms of possibilities, we can share that. It's just that most of those don't actually come to fruition. [2:12:41, 2:12:41]: Sure. [2:12:41, 2:12:46]: So what is real is what we post in terms of what we've actually permitted. [2:12:47, 2:12:53]: Okay. I would think whatever's real is what you pose will probably be fine. But all right, we'll see how things shake out. Mayor Pro Ten Thomas, please. [2:12:55, 2:12:57]: You're you're muted, sir. [2:12:58, 2:13:00]: Uh there you go. You're good. [2:13:00, 2:13:03]: Okay, I I wanted to ask uh Councilwoman Gantt. [2:13:04, 2:13:07]: Uh as far as the resolution, are you suggesting that [2:13:07, 2:13:12]: Uh for his language once it is permitted. [2:13:12, 2:13:16]: Then this information can be shared. Is that s what you are suggesting? [2:13:18, 2:13:24]: Yes. Once it's app once the application has been submitted or in in [2:13:24, 2:13:28]: permits have been pulled once we know an actual project is taking place. [2:13:28, 2:13:31]: I just I I know I've been there. [2:13:31, 2:13:32]: Um [2:13:32, 2:13:34]: And I've represented companies. [2:13:35, 2:13:36]: And I know. [2:13:36, 2:13:38]: The detriment [2:13:38, 2:13:39]: Or the pull away. [2:13:40, 2:13:41]: We [2:13:41, 2:13:43]: information gets out too soon. [2:13:45, 2:13:47]: Well i m Mr. Mayor. [2:13:47, 2:13:52]: Yes, sir. And only reason I asked that question, so just going back to the written resolution. [2:13:52, 2:14:02]: uh if everyone would agree that this should be the language, then I think we can just cut to the chase and just include that verbiage uh in the resolution. [2:14:04, 2:14:06]: All right. Well sounds fine with me, but uh [2:14:07, 2:14:08]: And the new [2:14:09, 2:14:18]: You would have to make a motion in that eff uh effect. I was gonna ask uh Mrs. Gantt if if she wanted to um state the motion with with the verbiage, with the correct verbiage. [2:14:18, 2:14:19]: Yes. [2:14:20, 2:14:23]: I would like to make a motion that we amend the resolution. [2:14:24, 2:14:25]: To read that we [2:14:26, 2:14:30]: Allow mayor and council to receive information once an application. [2:14:31, 2:14:33]: It was any application [2:14:34, 2:14:39]: And and or um permits have been pulled. [2:14:40, 2:14:42]: Okay. So a second to that. [2:14:43, 2:14:44]: Is there a second? [2:14:45, 2:14:48]: Councilman Blount seconds that. Okay. Any further discussion? [2:14:49, 2:14:49]: Yes. [2:14:50, 2:14:50]: Oh, go ahead. [2:14:51, 2:15:02]: Uh as a council member I'm entitled to every last piece of information, just like the city attorney stated. It is re I it is it is I I I don't know what [2:15:02, 2:15:12]: uh situation. No Amazon is never gonna come to anybody's town where the mayor and city council don't know. It's just not gonna happen. That's that's not go ever going to happen. [2:15:13, 2:15:21]: The city of Atlanta is not gonna get and the council at the Felician Moore don't know and Keisha Lance Bottoms don't know. That will never happen. [2:15:21, 2:15:24]: Uh when businesses look [2:15:24, 2:15:34]: There's a big tenant getting ready to come to Henry County right now. Permits ain't been sound, but they putting the information out. I was on a town I was on a uh Zoom call. [2:15:34, 2:15:54]: Where they're sharing that information freely because they understand, okay, what everybody in the room in the Zoom call understood what that meant. And everybody knows not to leave that meeting to go talk about it. But let me tell you, no council operates. [2:15:54, 2:15:55]: In the dark. [2:15:56, 2:16:04]: When these projects are moving forward, like I drove by the townhomes and the ground clearing is coming and communities asking you about it, then I [2:16:04, 2:16:12]: I asked the staff for the renderings of it to share with the community, you know, all the trees are already knocked down next to the magnolias. [2:16:12, 2:16:25]: And they're looking at us like, why did y'all allow them to knock down all the trees? Well, I didn't know anything about it. The development was actually moving forward at this point and the ground clearing had actually been uh, you know, keyed up. [2:16:25, 2:16:30]: But make no mistake, that's what executive session is for. [2:16:30, 2:16:41]: When these projects come and economic development is touring the town with them, they bring that to executive session. That information is confidential. You don't discuss it. [2:16:41, 2:16:49]: I don't want to operate in the dark ever on any project. The citizens elected me to have the information. [2:16:49, 2:17:05]: available to make my decisions on everything and to the letter of the law, I want to have access to every last bit of it because I'm entitled to it. And not only that, okay, when the information, when somebody actually contacts [2:17:06, 2:17:06]: The staff [2:17:07, 2:17:17]: Or they send them an email or whatever. That's actually available through open records. It's already available. We just would have we just shouldn't have to request it. [2:17:18, 2:17:24]: as council members, we should already be privy to it in everything that we do. [2:17:24, 2:17:31]: This policy was ill-advised in the first place, and we need to have access to every piece of information. [2:17:32, 2:17:36]: Going forward, it's pretty simple. We need to have the access to that information. [2:17:36, 2:17:37]: And initially [2:17:38, 2:17:41]: That was our I thought that was already how it was written. [2:17:41, 2:17:51]: how the resol original resolution was was written was that we were supposed to be given the information as permitted. That's no change at all. That's what it's already stating. [2:17:52, 2:17:53]: It already says that. [2:17:54, 2:17:59]: Mr. Mayor. Okay. Well stand by uh several of you have had your hands, so let me take in order. Ms. Gantt, go ahead, please. [2:17:59, 2:18:04]: Thank you. Um, Councilman Alexander, I understand your concerns. [2:18:04, 2:18:05]: But again. [2:18:06, 2:18:08]: Some of the examples I used are [2:18:08, 2:18:11]: And some of the things I'm I'm speaking of is [2:18:12, 2:18:15]: Prematurely when a person or a company [2:18:15, 2:18:20]: When a company is out scouting different locations. [2:18:20, 2:18:36]: Um those examples that you gave are when the company has pretty much made up their mind. That's when the economic that if they need to call on someone, the mayor, to come and meet with the group, or if they decide to speak to that economic development director or that community. [2:18:37, 2:18:37]: Um [2:18:38, 2:18:39]: a development director. [2:18:39, 2:18:59]: That's what they will do at that point in time when they're close and narrowed in. I'm saying I don't want us to not know about projects that are getting approved. By all means, we should know when a townhome development is going to be built on Campground Road. We should know those things, especially if they're in the city limits, if they've applied. [2:18:59, 2:19:00]: Blood. [2:19:00, 2:19:20]: And if they have been if they've applied for a um, you know, if they've applied already and they're also seeking their permits. My concern is the scouting of these companies before they've made a decision or really spoken to, you know, anyone or have haven't made. [2:19:20, 2:19:22]: Made that decision. [2:19:22, 2:19:31]: Well you can scare them off. You know, people reach out. We've had council members to call, you know, hotel industries. We've had people to contact [2:19:31, 2:19:35]: mm restaurants hearing that they may come in town and then [2:19:35, 2:19:36]: It pushes them back. [2:19:37, 2:19:41]: That's not the way that the economic development works is what I'm saying. [2:19:42, 2:19:44]: If it's not already [2:19:45, 2:19:56]: concrete or if it's not something that they've actually applied had an application for and know that they've purchased this land they're gonna build. They're just out scouting other cities. [2:19:56, 2:19:57]: Then [2:19:58, 2:20:00]: It's not right for us to know about. [2:20:02, 2:20:02]: Right. [2:20:02, 2:20:14]: Member Pro Tem Thomas. I'm I'm I'm trying to weigh in on the merit of Mr. Alexander's opposition. I know Mrs. Gantt said once it's permitted. [2:20:14, 2:20:18]: Uh I'm trying to see, uh Mr. Alexander what is his [2:20:18, 2:20:21]: uh opposition to once it's permitted. [2:20:22, 2:20:23]: Um [2:20:23, 2:20:24]: Yeah. [2:20:25, 2:20:28]: So Mr. Alexander, explain that a little bit more because [2:20:29, 2:20:35]: I'm trying to see what difference in well hold on. I'm trying to see the difference in when something is permitted. [2:20:36, 2:20:40]: versus it's not being permitted and some companies just [2:20:41, 2:20:43]: You know, just out scouting, looking. [2:20:43, 2:20:47]: doing their research, you know, so forth and so on. So I'm just trying to see [2:20:48, 2:20:51]: Basically what what is the opposition to once it's been permitted? [2:20:51, 2:21:01]: There is no opposition to once is being permitted. That's when we get the official rendering and we get it. But when people are interested in your city, you should know that. [2:21:01, 2:21:05]: You as a council member should know that as well as the staff. [2:21:05, 2:21:25]: The staff executes the policies that we give them. The representative, trust me, no one was coming to Atlanta without Cassine Reed or Keisha Lance Bottom knowing or Felicia Moore knowing. Not a soul, period. Oh. As this council member uh uh we're just uh as the council, I'm not saying [2:21:25, 2:21:45]: That um what I'm saying to them is that, okay, yeah, update us of some we should know what it what the interest level is in stock read. We should understand that. And how do we know that? The council d they let us know what who has who has inquired about a particular parcel or a particular interest in [2:21:45, 2:21:54]: the city, we should know that. Now it's up to us not to go out and blurt that into the entire world of understanding what is confidential and what is not. [2:21:55, 2:22:02]: Well that mister Mr. Mayor. See that that's the point where I'm trying to get to. It sounds like [2:22:02, 2:22:06]: If if if a company called Mrs. Moore [2:22:06, 2:22:15]: And just in inquire about something, you're saying then Ms. Moore then needs to share this with counsel that someone just placed a call to her office. [2:22:16, 2:22:26]: No, what I'm saying to you is that we know like uh as he said, when someone's out scouting a particular property, if Amazon come to town, we wanna know Amazon looking. [2:22:26, 2:22:30]: We don't wanna have to wait till Amazon files a permit. We wanna know they're looking. [2:22:30, 2:22:50]: If big time players are interested in coming to town, we should know that. We should be fully abreast of it and we should actually at some point we have to be involved in the process because they're gonna wanna meet us before they sign the documents. They're gonna want to talk to the governing body to make sure that we got the buy-in before. [2:22:50, 2:23:00]: they sign on the dotted line. Mr. Mayor. I uh the citizens elected me and you. They didn't elect the staff. They don't I don't work for them. They work for us. Mr. Mayor. [2:23:02, 2:23:22]: I'm just trying to follow up. Uh Mr. Alexander, I don't really want you to get too long-winded, but I'm I'm just trying to get to a point here where I can understand your side of this. Now, as I gave an example, if Amazon just give Mrs. Moore a call as the uh community development director, are you saying then that because she received [2:23:22, 2:23:23]: Yeah. [2:23:24, 2:23:27]: on inquiry that she should share this with the council. [2:23:27, 2:23:46]: No, I'm saying if Amazon came to town and they start looking at particular parcels, that is a no that's a different step. A phone call, an initial phone call, no. But if somebody is in like there's a lot of stuff apparently going on at Johtoco. Does any of any anybody sitting here know what's going on at Johtoco? No. [2:23:47, 2:24:07]: But in the end or when we should know whether they signed a letter of cut uh of intent or whatever they've done, we should know that there's interest. I'd like to know what the interest level is at Jodico. There are no permits over there. I don't know. Maybe there are permits. I don't know that. But I would like to know what the interest level is. Not necessarily the [2:24:07, 2:24:16]: phone call, but when somebody comes to town, they want to scout a property or a particular parcel or there's a big name, a developer wanna come that we should know that. [2:24:16, 2:24:17]: Before the permit. [2:24:17, 2:24:24]: Mr. Mayor, this is my last question. So I'm I'm still going back to the to the point though, Mr. Alexander, is that [2:24:24, 2:24:26]: If Mrs. Moore does not know [2:24:27, 2:24:30]: that folks are scouting or come to scouting. [2:24:30, 2:24:39]: Then how can she actually share that? That's really not keep asking if she knows. If staff knows. [2:24:39, 2:24:42]: Are you saying then then the council should know? [2:24:42, 2:24:54]: Right. If the staff if the company contacted staff and they want to tour this town, they know that. And they made that contact with staff. They're here touring the town. [2:24:54, 2:25:01]: Yes, we should know that. Then staff should inform the council. Yes. That's the point I was trying to get to. Right. [2:25:01, 2:25:02]: Right. [2:25:02, 2:25:03]: Ms. Lamore, please. [2:25:04, 2:25:08]: Okay, so just understand the difference between economic development and community development. [2:25:09, 2:25:10]: We don't tour. [2:25:10, 2:25:13]: We actually uh give permission to build. [2:25:14, 2:25:22]: And so um if if Amazon was coming, they wouldn't call me. They would call me once they purchased the land. [2:25:22, 2:25:30]: They've identified it and they're coming in and saying, guys, we've got the 78 acres. We now want to build. [2:25:30, 2:25:31]: This here. [2:25:31, 2:25:41]: That's how we know. And so that's when it becomes live for us. So to give you an example, there's a phase three of Brentwood subdivision that's [2:25:45, 2:25:46]: Uh oh. [2:25:46, 2:25:47]: Positive. [2:25:47, 2:25:49]: She froze. [2:25:49, 2:25:59]: Yeah, I would just say when she comes back is that this is exactly you know what I'm talking about. I want to make sure that she's and us are on the on the muted, Camilla. [2:26:01, 2:26:05]: Muted. So what we have happen what we have happening is that the [2:26:05, 2:26:16]: owner of the parcel has shot. And so we have gotten calls from three different developers on the same acreage. Now none of them have bought the land. [2:26:16, 2:26:36]: They're just inquiring, right? And so it's it's not real. And at the end of the day, one of those developers may actually purchase the land, but when it gets to us, somebody owns the land. And they are now at a point where they're ready to develop it. And so, Mr. Alexander, the townhomes were put [2:26:36, 2:26:56]: Up on the website back in November, and you've gotten two quarterly reports since then that has that information in there. And so what I'm committed to do because if if I'm giving you the information and you're not reading it or it's hitting someplace where you don't get to it, then I will make [2:26:56, 2:27:16]: It's a point like I emailed you yesterday in terms of separating out all of that from the quarterly report and giving you those updates because when you go to the website and the information I send you, it says in the permitting process, plan review process, it names the project and then it tells you the staff. [2:27:16, 2:27:23]: Of it. So, you know, the townhomes I brought to you on the website in November. But however, [2:27:27, 2:27:28]: These last begin. [2:27:29, 2:27:30]: Yeah, she froze again. [2:27:31, 2:27:33]: Well I do have a I'd like to make a statement [2:27:34, 2:27:54]: As well. But she's still she's trying to talk now. She's she's muted again. Whatever whatever mechanism uh gets you the information on what is real, and however often you want us to get you that information on what is real, then we will accommodate. I just want to do a separation between economic development. [2:27:54, 2:28:14]: And people touring, and when it gets to community development and when it's real. And we actually have an applicant, there's actually plans submitted. We're actually reviewing them. We're actually doing a report on what permits are going to be issued. You know, that's kind of where we are. And so however you need for. [2:28:14, 2:28:26]: for us to accommodate giving you that information, we're open to it. I just want Mayor and Council to understand that on the community development side, we don't do the marketing, we don't do the touring. When it gets to us, we're dealing with the hammers and the nails. [2:28:28, 2:28:37]: Uh Ms. Ms. Moore, with all due respect, you know, several iterations are permit are submitted before a final plan is permitted and approved. [2:28:37, 2:28:57]: You're you you might go through five different iterations before you issue the permit. So you know exactly what I'm talking about. And no, I'm not gonna play this game with you or any other staff member about economic development. Everybody knows you have your hand in every piece of this city, and I do too, and everybody on this council does. So let's [2:28:57, 2:29:00]: Let's be for real here and understand. [2:29:00, 2:29:03]: We want I want the information. [2:29:03, 2:29:20]: I want to present it to us in a way that it comes and then again we know that long before the permit is issued, the developer and you are going back and forth, okay, on what needs to be done. Do they need to have a gate there? Don't they need to have a gate there? [2:29:20, 2:29:37]: W all of those kind of things are going back and forth and then the permit is issued and then we find out about the permit issued subsequently because things were going back and forth between the staff and the development side. We know things are going on in the downtown area that [2:29:38, 2:29:44]: All of us have our hands in. We don't have an economic development director, so we particularly know that. [2:29:44, 2:29:47]: So I'm not gonna play this game where [2:29:48, 2:29:53]: We say the the inf the information is transparent. I disagree. We disagree. [2:29:53, 2:29:59]: I'm not receiving the information that I think that I need to be effective. That's why I want this pass. [2:29:59, 2:30:04]: And therefore, let me just add for the public record so that the citizens will know. [2:30:04, 2:30:07]: I don't hide anything from anybody. [2:30:07, 2:30:08]: I don't. [2:30:08, 2:30:16]: And I'm not quite sure about the statement of my hands and everything, Miss Alexander. You know, what I what I do know is that I love this city. [2:30:17, 2:30:33]: You hired me to be your community development director and I take great pride in that. And whatever you hired me to do is what I do, sir. No more or no less. And so I I guess I'm just um your comments was a little bit offensive to me. [2:30:34, 2:30:54]: And so I'm not quite sure where you were going with it, but I do take offense. But for the record, I want the public to know that what is legally able for me to share, I do and I share with everybody. And that information is always posted on the website. And I'm gonna say this again: my statement to you. [2:30:54, 2:30:57]: Before you made a comment was counselman. [2:30:57, 2:31:17]: Any method or manner in which you feel that we can get you the information, just share. Just tell me. Because that information that's available, we've never hid it from you. Now, if you want the day-to-day process of how conversations go back and forth between staff, I will put you in the email. [2:31:17, 2:31:18]: Yeah. [2:31:18, 2:31:38]: If that's what you want to see. So if you want to see the discussion on offense and whether or not it should be eight, whether or not it should be rod, whether or not it should be wood, if you want to be in the email trail, we will more than happily do that. But for the discussion tonight, my only point was: what is the purpose of my deployment? [2:31:40, 2:31:48]: Oh, she's frozen again. Seems like. All right. Um she'll probably come back. Miss Barber, you had your hand up now. [2:31:48, 2:31:50]: I wanted to ask Ms. Moore. [2:31:50, 2:31:58]: From the time that a applicant submits their application, how soon the staff um uploads that information? [2:31:58, 2:31:59]: The same day. [2:32:00, 2:32:05]: Is it posted? We actually uh so let me go back. There is a [2:32:05, 2:32:07]: So as soon as the application is submitted. [2:32:08, 2:32:10]: Or anything we [2:32:10, 2:32:10]: Oh [2:32:13, 2:32:14]: Oh sorry. [2:32:14, 2:32:16]: Go ahead. I think he froze, Miss Barber. [2:32:19, 2:32:20]: Go ahead. [2:32:21, 2:32:27]: Ms. Moore, you were talking. Go ahead. Yeah, she is. I couldn't hear Ms. Barber because she was muted. That's what I was trying to tell her. [2:32:27, 2:32:28]: Okay. [2:32:28, 2:32:33]: I couldn't hear a question. Did she hear me? Yeah, she can hear you now. Go ahead. [2:32:34, 2:32:38]: Yes, yes, go ahead. I can't I can't hear. My question was [2:32:38, 2:32:40]: How soon after [2:32:40, 2:32:42]: An application is submitted. [2:32:43, 2:32:45]: Does your staff [2:32:45, 2:32:46]: Internet. [2:32:47, 2:32:48]: Or how soon will we see it? [2:32:48, 2:32:51]: after it has been submitted from the applicant. [2:32:57, 2:32:58]: Ms. Moore, did you hear that question? [2:33:03, 2:33:05]: I think she's froze. [2:33:05, 2:33:06]: Yeah, I think so. [2:33:07, 2:33:08]: Mm that's what mayor. [2:33:10, 2:33:12]: Mayor. Right, yes, sir. [2:33:12, 2:33:20]: Ms. Barber, can you change the language and I think Councilwoman Barber's on to something? Maybe we could change the the language to when the application is submitted. [2:33:21, 2:33:41]: I've already said that. Permitted. There's a difference between permitted and uh submitted. No, I said when an application is submitted, that's when we would know. Hold on, hold on stand by, stand by. Hold on, hold on. Everybody stand by for a second. Hold on. [2:33:40, 2:33:50]: No go ahead, uh clerk, you have the motion. Motion made in seconds. It has both. It has application and permitted in the motion. There we go. [2:33:50, 2:33:53]: So what we could re restate the motion, please. [2:33:54, 2:33:55]: Reset the motion please. [2:33:57, 2:34:03]: You want you mean for me or co or Councilwoman Gantt? Miss Holliday restated the motion. You said it had [2:34:03, 2:34:07]: Uh application. I'm okay if it has application in there. It does. [2:34:08, 2:34:11]: does have to amend this particular policy. [2:34:12, 2:34:27]: But it has that it would be when the application is received and permitted. That's what the motion currently states. Right. Oh that's my point. I don't want it to be permitted. I want it to be submitted. [2:34:27, 2:34:36]: No, received is submitted. So I'm I'm you mean application though, the application and the permit are different. So right. [2:34:37, 2:34:44]: Wait, actually they're not. They're not. The application is for the permit. [2:34:45, 2:34:55]: The application is for the permit. But we just want the application. We don't want it to be approved yet. We want it I was gonna say, does the permit have to be but it has to be approved? [2:34:55, 2:34:56]: No. [2:34:56, 2:34:57]: Okay. [2:34:58, 2:35:02]: Please restate your motion. Thank you. So I would like to make a motion. [2:35:02, 2:35:03]: Two [2:35:04, 2:35:07]: Amend our resolution to read. [2:35:08, 2:35:15]: That mayor and council will have knowledge of any applications that are submitted. [2:35:16, 2:35:17]: Okay. [2:35:17, 2:35:18]: Second. [2:35:19, 2:35:20]: No, no, she's not done yet. [2:35:21, 2:35:26]: Well I was and and I also threw in permits, but as well as any permits. [2:35:27, 2:35:29]: That are submitted. We have a right to know. [2:35:30, 2:35:37]: Everything submitted and everything everything submitted solely and everything permitted solely. [2:35:37, 2:35:39]: We have a right to know. [2:35:39, 2:35:51]: Okay, but they're the same. I just want to be clear. The application is for a permit. So as long as you understand they're the same thing. We we understand. We do. Step one, long as it's been submitted, we should have the right to know. [2:35:52, 2:35:54]: That's what I think. [2:35:54, 2:35:55]: Okay. [2:35:58, 2:35:58]: Okay. [2:35:59, 2:36:13]: Can we go ahead and vote? You want one second, please. I was Vanessa's writing, folks. I've right I I've got it. I wanna make sure she's kept up. I had to change the second one because the the previous second was Councilman Dunn. But now it's Mr. Alexander. [2:36:13, 2:36:18]: Once we I want my question answered by Miss Moore, please. [2:36:19, 2:36:22]: Okay. Okay. I'm sorry, I never got your question, is Barber? [2:36:24, 2:36:32]: Her question was how soon is information uploaded by staff when it's received? When it's not what you're saying. [2:36:32, 2:36:36]: Right. As soon as the applicate is okay. Can you hear me? [2:36:36, 2:36:38]: First. [2:36:38, 2:36:40]: Yeah, see go ahead most more. [2:36:41, 2:36:51]: Okay, so as soon as the application for the permit is requested, that becomes live and we immediately upload it because now it is a live project that's being permitted. [2:36:53, 2:37:01]: Barb Councilman Barber, the one barbari, you got that, right? Is that good to answer your question? That was not my qu no, it doesn't. What's your question? [2:37:02, 2:37:03]: How soon? [2:37:03, 2:37:05]: Once the application has been [2:37:06, 2:37:07]: Submit it to staff. [2:37:08, 2:37:09]: How soon? [2:37:10, 2:37:11]: The staff. [2:37:11, 2:37:14]: Upload that information. Is it the same day? [2:37:14, 2:37:15]: The next day. [2:37:16, 2:37:18]: Couple of days later. [2:37:19, 2:37:22]: Well most times the same day because [2:37:22, 2:37:25]: Once it the application is for a permit. [2:37:26, 2:37:29]: Everything that is permitted is immediately available. [2:37:29, 2:37:30]: Okay. [2:37:30, 2:37:31]: Thank you. [2:37:31, 2:37:32]: The same day. [2:37:34, 2:37:41]: All right. Now. You see me? Yeah, she got you. She's taking it. She understood that. All right. So we m most [2:37:42, 2:37:43]: The motion's been made, been seconded. [2:37:44, 2:37:44]: Right. [2:37:45, 2:37:46]: All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:37:46, 2:37:54]: I'm sorry, are we able to add that to the resolution to start the same day? [2:37:55, 2:38:00]: Okay, so our system, Miss Barber, automatically generates it once it goes into the system. [2:38:01, 2:38:08]: That it will be into the same the same day. No Yes, no. [2:38:08, 2:38:16]: That it would be entered and uploaded in the system the same day that it was received. [2:38:19, 2:38:19]: Okay. [2:38:19, 2:38:35]: Are we able to add that to the motion? Well, first of all, uh the you didn't draw the you didn't make the motion, so the the individual made the motion would have to want to add that to the motion. So mayor forward, the information is generated through a software. [2:38:36, 2:38:36]: Okay. [2:38:37, 2:38:40]: Information generated through the software. All right. [2:38:41, 2:38:44]: All right, got it, understood. Uh Councilman Blount, yes, sir. [2:38:45, 2:38:56]: What we have at hand is everything is being said once the application comes in, which is to permit that the council would be notified and it's and it's mostly done the same day. I mean, why what [2:38:59, 2:39:10]: It this is what's being said. I'm just saying, God, this not this stuff's not rocket science. We've getting what we all asked for. Why don't we j we're sitting here all night going back and forth, just circulating the same information? [2:39:10, 2:39:29]: We just want to make sure when it's submitted, we get it. That's it. When it's submitted, we get it. Even though it's submitted, we wanna have access to it. It's in the motion. It's in the motion. If you don't get it, then then the then you deal with stuff. Let's this stuff is in the motion. We keep going. Let's deal with the motion. If that's in the motion, let's vote on the motion. [2:39:30, 2:39:31]: Would this uh [2:39:31, 2:39:37]: All right. Motion's been made. It's been seconded. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:39:39, 2:39:42]: All right, tsunamis decision. Fantastic. All right. [2:39:44, 2:39:51]: I so uh council consideration to amend the city social media policy. Mr. Williams, please. [2:39:54, 2:40:00]: We have a provision in our current social media policy that [2:40:00, 2:40:10]: provides that information pertaining to council initiatives will be limited to promotional uh information prior to the event only. [2:40:12, 2:40:17]: And so um, like the previous agenda item, there's been a request from council members. [2:40:18, 2:40:23]: to uh remove that specific provision from the social media policy. [2:40:23, 2:40:31]: And then going forward, it would presumably be up to the assistant to mayor and council to [2:40:31, 2:40:40]: uh work with council members on their initiatives with respect to what types of information is presented about council initiatives after they occur. [2:40:40, 2:40:42]: In terms of pictures and other [2:40:42, 2:40:46]: you know, after uh event uh information. [2:40:46, 2:40:56]: Um so there would be a um presumably a motion on the table to remove that provision from the social media policy if that's the will of council. [2:40:57, 2:40:59]: Mr. Alexander, go ahead now. [2:40:59, 2:41:03]: Uh yes, sir. Thank you, uh Mr. Attorney for drafting that information. [2:41:05, 2:41:09]: Superstar entertainer Chris Tucker came to town. [2:41:11, 2:41:14]: We was able to put that out in local newspaper. [2:41:15, 2:41:18]: Бо і що ерисомедія сайт in the city. [2:41:19, 2:41:30]: Councilman Thomas, Mayor Pro Tem Thomas did a outstanding job. I was I was I loved every minute of it sitting there on the front seat. Some of the very best things that we do. [2:41:31, 2:41:34]: As council members for this as far as the city. [2:41:34, 2:41:35]: Council members do it. [2:41:36, 2:41:38]: The commissioners do it all the time. [2:41:39, 2:41:43]: Ви surrendering one of the greatest tools that we have. [2:41:44, 2:41:51]: For my own myself and all every all of you have been involved and have joined the Women's History Month program. [2:41:51, 2:42:02]: The Women's History Month program is covered throughout the state. It was on on radio, it was on TV, it was a lot of places. It was everywhere, but promoted by this city. [2:42:02, 2:42:22]: On our social media sites. And that goes from Mr. Blount's back to school all of these years. Now it's a city event. But at the same time, when Greg Street came to town, we should have had Greg Street on our social media site, but you know, promoting that particular event. The Councilwoman Barber's doing the blood drive now. [2:42:22, 2:42:33]: In this pandemic and in this emergency situation, everybody needs to know that we got a council member that stepped up to meet a critical need on blood. [2:42:33, 2:42:35]: But the event was done. [2:42:36, 2:42:56]: And we couldn't share any of the information on our strongest tool on social media. It's pretty simple to me that whatever we do in terms of these particular programs that the that the council members execute, we should be able to do that. And we should be able to share that with the community and show [2:42:56, 2:43:06]: a shining light on all of the council members as they do the individual initiatives. This is something I was when I was sitting there and I saw Chris Tucker, I was blown away. [2:43:06, 2:43:09]: I was like, man, this is amazing. But then [2:43:09, 2:43:10]: It was like wow. [2:43:12, 2:43:14]: More Mitchell was there. [2:43:14, 2:43:19]: We had all kinds of things going on there, but we couldn't but our but our [2:43:20, 2:43:27]: Public information officer could not is issue a press release on it because of our social media policy. [2:43:27, 2:43:29]: I just like to see that change. [2:43:31, 2:43:32]: Thank you. Any other comments? [2:43:34, 2:43:42]: Go ahead, Councilman Blount. I understand the press release is put out on all of our initiative. In fact, we just I just saw uh your stuff, uh Councilman Alexander on [2:43:43, 2:43:44]: Uh, next door. [2:43:44, 2:43:48]: In in and uh and we've had it going to Henry Henry uh [2:43:48, 2:43:52]: Henry County on the Henry County Channel. I think that all of our initiatives [2:43:52, 2:43:57]: of of being promoted. Every initiative we do is gone out to a press release that is happening. [2:43:57, 2:44:01]: I mean people ask me about the the initiative that you got coming up. [2:44:01, 2:44:21]: I think that one of the things we have to do is be careful and be careful how much leniency we put on put on promotion because we could we can turn something that's good right now into a monster and it becomes political for us and be and we get political gain out of it. I think promoting our initiatives by through our uh executive assistant that we're gonna be hiring. [2:44:21, 2:44:25]: soon and through the the avenues that are going out now, I think it's [2:44:25, 2:44:31]: Uh your event uh with the women's uh uh history black history month is packed out. [2:44:31, 2:44:43]: Councilman uh Thomas uh uh event is packed out. The the the bingo is packed out. I think that the tools that we have to promote these events in the city limits of stockbridge. [2:44:44, 2:44:52]: There's no lacking of no no lacking a uh if the different thing is we say, hey, we put all this work in and nobody's coming, that's not the case. [2:44:53, 2:44:59]: Because they because every initiative that we do, there's a press release put out about that initiative. [2:45:00, 2:45:18]: So I think that the avenues and next door and and and then we we have we have the the banners that we put out and we got flyers that we put, I think it's being promoted. I think that when we start to go lenient with this, then we're gonna go have another another tool that we can use as council members. [2:45:18, 2:45:22]: to uh to to abuse and a at times that could be [2:45:22, 2:45:28]: For political gain and it shouldn't be nothing but used for a service for the citizens. And I think that's happening right now. [2:45:29, 2:45:31]: Uh, Mayor, if I could respond. [2:45:31, 2:45:32]: Yeah, sure, go ahead. [2:45:33, 2:45:39]: Uh and Councilman Blount, I I actually agree with everything you said. The leader is absolutely fine. [2:45:40, 2:45:48]: It's what happens after Chris Tucker hit the stage. Nobody saw it on city social media and press release. [2:45:49, 2:45:52]: Nobody can do that because of this policy. [2:45:52, 2:46:03]: Everything was great leading up to uh uh uh mayor pro tems event and my event, the events were packed out, but nobody saw the packed house. [2:46:03, 2:46:09]: on city social media or through a city press release highlighting a great thing. [2:46:09, 2:46:10]: That occurred. [2:46:11, 2:46:12]: You know, that's that's what I'm talking about. [2:46:14, 2:46:14]: All right. [2:46:15, 2:46:16]: Ain't anybody else? [2:46:17, 2:46:22]: Uh no, I would like to go ahead and make a motion to accept this a recommendation as [2:46:22, 2:46:24]: Outlined by the city attorney. [2:46:25, 2:46:25]: Is there a second? [2:46:27, 2:46:28]: Zero second. [2:46:29, 2:46:29]: I'll second it. [2:46:30, 2:46:32]: All right, Councilman Barber, a second. Any further discussion? [2:46:33, 2:46:35]: All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:46:37, 2:46:38]: Opposed. [2:46:40, 2:46:42]: Uh motion passes three to two. [2:46:44, 2:46:52]: Okay. Council consideration to approve the use of test stricken community center for community blood drives. Councilwoman Barber, please. [2:46:56, 2:47:03]: Thank you, Mayor. Um I know we're in the midst of a pandemic and um there are still critical needs in our community. [2:47:03, 2:47:07]: Um blood drives and blood donations are one of them. [2:47:07, 2:47:08]: Um [2:47:09, 2:47:12]: I'm asking for the use of the test strickline. [2:47:12, 2:47:13]: Center. [2:47:13, 2:47:14]: Um [2:47:15, 2:47:16]: One Saturday [2:47:16, 2:47:17]: Every month. [2:47:18, 2:47:19]: through the end of this year. [2:47:20, 2:47:25]: There will be no public access inside of the Ted Strickland Community Center. [2:47:25, 2:47:41]: Mayor Ford, you actually attended the very first one that I had in July. You saw that there were um there was a blood mobile outside. So they're actually doing the blood col collections outside in the mobile unit. [2:47:42, 2:47:50]: The only access we'll need to the inside of the Tr Ted Strickland Community Center. It's just for um staff. [2:47:50, 2:47:55]: And maybe the black collection employees to use the restroom. [2:47:56, 2:48:00]: So no public access. Um so I'm just asking for council permission. [2:48:01, 2:48:04]: to have use of the Ted Strickland Community Center. [2:48:05, 2:48:07]: One Saturday of every month. [2:48:08, 2:48:28]: Okay. I will say to you that yes, I did attend that very first time and I and I give blood continually across with Red Cross through the course of the year. I think it's a great idea. But my only concern is simply this. I thought we came up with a policy in reference to the use of test strictly and mural manners. I just want to make sure we try to adhere to that or we are we or if we accept this, are we changing that particular [2:48:28, 2:48:33]: I'm aware of [2:48:34, 2:48:39]: some policy. Um but I do remember in January um [2:48:40, 2:48:43]: Councilman Blount uh requested from the council. [2:48:43, 2:48:54]: to use the Merrill Mander Center each month for the bingo bash. So we I know that we can make exceptions. Um this is one of those exceptions I'm asking for. [2:48:54, 2:48:55]: All right. [2:48:55, 2:48:57]: Councilman Blanc, go ahead, please. [2:48:57, 2:49:07]: Uh uh I I have to agree with uh Councilman Alexander. One time he said, Why deny a council member to I I I'm for her using it. Uh it's I think it's a good initiative. [2:49:07, 2:49:09]: My only problem is is that [2:49:10, 2:49:12]: This is a city's facility. [2:49:13, 2:49:19]: And if the city facilities are closed to the public right now, then how would they be able to be in use? [2:49:19, 2:49:24]: Because I was just told just recently by uh out of uh by uh Miss Holiday [2:49:25, 2:49:32]: that we can't use s basically use the city facilities because we're not gonna be using them for congregations. [2:49:32, 2:49:35]: So if if the city facility city hall is closed to the public [2:49:36, 2:49:39]: My only thing is is that why would we allow [2:49:40, 2:49:51]: It's nothing against Councilwoman Barber. I'm just saying that we have to be careful and cautious when we open facilities for certain reasons. Is that for now, Councilwoman Barber? Are you talking about for next year? [2:49:51, 2:49:52]: Mm. [2:49:52, 2:50:03]: That's for now through the end of the year and will continue next year. I'll tell you, um there will be no public access to the interior. [2:50:04, 2:50:07]: of the community center. It is a community center. [2:50:07, 2:50:27]: We should providing some understanding in the re in the community center. I recognize that this uh coronavirus is something serious. So no, I'm not asking for use of the interior of the building. I would not be going through with this if there was [2:50:27, 2:50:36]: Wasn't a critical need, and if there wasn't an alternate way to provide the services that we so desperately need in our community. [2:50:36, 2:50:56]: They're using a blood mobile on the outside. I know you didn't attend. Let me cut you off a mobile unit on the outside where they let me let me finish. You you asked my you answered my question. I asked your question, was it about that? And you asked it. I'm not against what you're doing. I think what you're doing is an awesome thing. I've I I [2:50:56, 2:50:59]: I I pray that it's successful. It's well needed. [2:50:59, 2:51:02]: I'm going back to policies now. [2:51:03, 2:51:05]: When we're talking about policies. [2:51:05, 2:51:10]: uh about facilities the the city facilities [2:51:11, 2:51:14]: Uh if someone wants to go inside and use the restroom. [2:51:14, 2:51:16]: At this strictly [2:51:16, 2:51:26]: Is that now a citizen going in to use a public use our facilities being able to go inside? Are our facilities closed to the public or is there uh uh [2:51:27, 2:51:28]: Oh [2:51:28, 2:51:29]: Is that um [2:51:30, 2:51:30]: Yeah. [2:51:30, 2:51:38]: Or we open them up for certain circumstances or or reasons. And if so, then how do we determine that? That's all I'm saying. [2:51:39, 2:51:47]: Is that if they're either close to the public or they're open to the public, or there are certain circumstances that do that. And how do we determine that? Because I was told. [2:51:48, 2:51:51]: That when it comes to con anybody congregating. [2:51:52, 2:52:00]: We're not promoting that because we're promoting safety, we're promoting mass, and that's why the city facilities are closed right now. So [2:52:00, 2:52:07]: How can the city facilities be closed, but yet we're opening it up for people to go inside? That's the only thing I'm saying. [2:52:07, 2:52:18]: Okay, no, I answered that question um at the beginning. Um what I said is the facility, the only people who will have access to the facility are staff members. [2:52:19, 2:52:38]: That's it. So anyone coming to donate blood, hopefully they can use the restrooms next door or maybe the blood mobiles have a restroom for them. We didn't have an issue the first time around. So Mr. Knighton can actually address that. [2:52:38, 2:52:40]: Even further if need be. [2:52:41, 2:52:44]: Are you talking about city staff or the staff that's the blood drive staff? [2:52:45, 2:52:45]: Well [2:52:47, 2:52:50]: Then that goes back. Anything outside the city staff. [2:52:50, 2:52:51]: Is [2:52:51, 2:52:55]: So in my my opinion, I thought wasn't allowed inside these facilities. [2:52:57, 2:53:11]: Okay. Uh go ahead. Councilman Assanna, go ahead, please. Uh I I think Mr. Bond, I think y you know, it is policy you know, we make the policy as city council. With really we can do what we what we choose to do, but to make the point is that [2:53:12, 2:53:14]: These are health care professionals. [2:53:15, 2:53:35]: I understand your point that if some of a citizen came up and they wanted to use the restroom, we we tell them no. But the blood mobile, they're a dire essential need. And that's what we're talking about under COVID-19. They're essential need. So we I'm sure uh we could allow the essential needs of these of the folks in the blood mobile. [2:53:35, 2:53:44]: be a hap, they need to use the restroom along with city staff to do that. I see your point, but in the end, uh we're healthcare profess their healthcare professionals. [2:53:44, 2:53:48]: And as a city council we can set the standard for this, I believe. I think we can [2:53:50, 2:53:52]: Mr. Night, did you have something you needed to answer? [2:53:52, 2:53:58]: No, I'd I was just gonna mention that um, you know, we've obviously closed the facilities to [2:53:58, 2:54:01]: Any assemblies or congregating things of that nature? [2:54:02, 2:54:08]: Um and and are not renting out the facilities to the public given where we are with uh COVID nineteen. [2:54:08, 2:54:09]: Um [2:54:10, 2:54:13]: I must confess though that if someone came [2:54:13, 2:54:18]: to our uh the event that we had the back to school event or one of the masks in [2:54:19, 2:54:27]: And hand sanitizer giveaways, and somebody said they needed to go in and use the restroom. I probably would have let them use the restroom. That did not happen, but I'm just saying. [2:54:27, 2:54:30]: In those extreme situations, um [2:54:31, 2:54:34]: You know, I think we have to be accommodating in that regard, understanding. [2:54:35, 2:54:41]: that we are not uh opening them up to the public for assembly, gathering, or anything else, and we're encouraging people [2:54:41, 2:54:44]: Um, you know, uh not to assemble in those public places. [2:54:46, 2:54:47]: Any other comments from the council? [2:54:49, 2:54:53]: If not a motion's on well, no wait, we didn't no one made a motion yet. Is that correct? [2:54:53, 2:54:57]: I thought Ms. Barber made the motion. Okay, it was a second. [2:54:58, 2:55:01]: She didn't make a we need to make a motion. Yeah, I didn't think I didn't think so. [2:55:02, 2:55:04]: [10506.8, 10507.7]: I can't hear you, sir. [2:55:10, 2:55:11]: You're muted. [2:55:12, 2:55:13]: Still muted. [2:55:15, 2:55:20]: Still muted, sir. There you go. I was trying to find that little arrow that goes to it, so [2:55:21, 2:55:33]: No, I'm saying if she made the motion, I'll second it. I agree with this. I'm just trying to make sure that we're in line with policy. So when I get any questions, I'm okay with it. I'm okay with her using it. I and I wanted to be successful. [2:55:33, 2:55:34]: Mr. Mayor. [2:55:35, 2:55:35]: Yes, sir. [2:55:36, 2:55:39]: Uh I'd like to make the motion that we allow um [2:55:39, 2:55:43]: Mrs. Barber to use a facility uh for the blood dry. [2:55:43, 2:55:44]: Yes, okay. [2:55:45, 2:56:03]: Okay. Okay, so I had a motion for Barber Blount, but now it's changed to Thomas B. Barber would have made the motion. I just seconded it. Okay, okay, well we're good. I love how I missed it. I I didn't hear Miss Barber make the motion, that's the reason I made it, but Mayor, I I [2:56:03, 2:56:12]: Well, I I I was thinking since I was oh in all actuality, since Barber presented this, I would think she would make the motion herself. Actually, in all actuality. [2:56:12, 2:56:19]: In this aspect. So how about this, Mayor Pro Tan? Why don't you rescind that and allow Barber to make her own motion for her own thing she brought forward? [2:56:20, 2:56:24]: Mayor Council, I I I rescind my motion. Thank you. [2:56:24, 2:56:26]: Ms. Barber, go write it, please. [2:56:27, 2:56:28]: Ms. Barber. [2:56:28, 2:56:29]: Go ahead, go ahead. [2:56:31, 2:56:35]: Go ahead, make the motion, please. I'd like to make the motion to allow [2:56:35, 2:56:39]: Am I supposed to say I asked for use or to allow you? [2:56:39, 2:56:43]: Um it's allow be fine. Ala will be fine. Allow is fine. [2:56:43, 2:56:45]: I like to make a motion. [2:56:45, 2:56:48]: To allow use of the Ted Strickland. [2:56:48, 2:56:50]: Community center. [2:56:50, 2:56:51]: Once a month. [2:56:52, 2:56:57]: On a Saturday, you all have the Saturday date scheduled. [2:56:57, 2:57:00]: Already through the end of the year. [2:57:00, 2:57:03]: And there will be more dates come next year. [2:57:03, 2:57:07]: For a blood drive. For the blood drive. For the blood drives. Okay. [2:57:07, 2:57:15]: Thank you. Is there a second to the motion? Okay, Alexander second then. Any further discussion? I would think not. Okay. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [2:57:15, 2:57:19]: All right, so fantastic. Okay. Thank you. [2:57:19, 2:57:28]: Uh council, let's see here. Council consideration to approve an increase of the contract for geotechnical engineering services. [2:57:28, 2:57:36]: An amount of seventy-four thousand three hundred and eighty dollars for unsuitable soils for the amplifier project. Funding source, present a funding source. [2:57:37, 2:57:40]: And then it's got presented by Mr. Knighton, city manager. [2:57:40, 2:57:42]: Carl Televantin. [2:57:43, 2:57:45]: Kekin Wood and Miss Moore, please. [2:57:49, 2:58:09]: I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Mayor and Council. Yes, Carl Trevathan with um uh with Kekin Wood is working with Kekin Wood is here as well to describe some of the um uh details of this uh particular request. Um previously there was an award amount of twenty-five thousand six hundred and twenty dollars for [2:58:09, 2:58:15]: for geotechnical services related to soils on the amphitheater site. [2:58:15, 2:58:33]: We're looking at the second phase of the amphitheater site and the geotech services would be needed for to ensure that any impervious surface is applicable to be applied to those particular surfaces. [2:58:33, 2:58:38]: As you know, we found some uh interesting items um on the amphitheater property. [2:58:38, 2:58:43]: And uh as a result of that, we've had to deal with some unsuitable soil situation. [2:58:44, 2:58:57]: This request would um, if uh council approves it, would allow this firm to uh continue some work out there that we anticipate will be needed um for the uh remainder of the site. [2:58:58, 2:59:00]: And Mr. Trevathan can speak. [2:59:00, 2:59:04]: uh more specifically to uh the need for this particular item. [2:59:05, 2:59:09]: How about a call? What else you need to add, sir? Thank you, Mayor and Council. [2:59:10, 2:59:11]: Okay. [2:59:11, 2:59:14]: Have a good time this evening with you guys, so uh [2:59:15, 2:59:18]: to say the least. Hopefully we can get through this one pretty quick. [2:59:18, 2:59:34]: Um the uh the contract to uh Pete Bond uh for uh materials testing um was set up um obviously at the beginning of the project and and there's been a lot that's gone on since then with [2:59:34, 2:59:54]: Unsuitable soils and potential expansion of the project into a phase two. So the contracts for materials testing are set up on a what we call a unit basis. It's kind of as needed. But we try to set a budget ahead of time. [2:59:54, 3:00:07]: time to uh uh to be able to to come up with an adequate budget. Um that's all driven by the need of the project. So this project has uh a greater need for materials testing than [3:00:07, 3:00:10]: what was originally anticipated so [3:00:10, 3:00:16]: Uh it's very normal uh when you have a project like this to have to expand the budget for materials testing. [3:00:16, 3:00:36]: Uh it's it's a vital part of the quality control of the project to have third party testing and so that's why uh this this expansion is uh of the budget is an an increase of the contract amount as is needed for the project. So I can ask and uh answer any other questions any uh anybody has, but that's that's pretty much it in a nutshell. [3:00:36, 3:00:37]: Nutshell. [3:00:38, 3:00:41]: All right. Council any questions for Carl? And I'm gonna say Carl because I'm not gonna try to [3:00:42, 3:00:45]: Pronounce your last name or chop it up. Okay. [3:00:46, 3:00:49]: Any questions for this any question for Carl there? [3:00:49, 3:00:54]: Okay, but Barber, ask one barber. She's raised the hunt first. Go ahead. Customer barber, go ahead. [3:00:54, 3:00:57]: So am I correct in assuming that um [3:00:58, 3:01:01]: Are there five phases of this project? [3:01:03, 3:01:11]: Okay. I won't be able to answer that, so maybe uh it's it's only it's only two, phase one and phase two. I think I mentioned that in the narrative. [3:01:12, 3:01:20]: If I left it out, I apologize. But I try to do the narrative to always speak to. It's two phases, phase one and phase two. [3:01:20, 3:01:25]: So the earthwork and foundation slab construction, that was phase one. [3:01:27, 3:01:28]: Miss Moore. [3:01:28, 3:01:29]: She's stuck. [3:01:29, 3:01:31]: I think she's frozen here. [3:01:32, 3:01:40]: I'm trying to understand. So I'm looking at um the scope of services here. The earth earthwork, was that just phase one? [3:01:41, 3:01:45]: And then the foundation concrete that's phase two and then the masonry. [3:01:45, 3:01:46]: Construction. [3:01:48, 3:01:51]: I was just trying to understand how it was going down. [3:01:51, 3:01:58]: Yeah, I think I think Carl may be able to address this, but I think that that what you're looking at is the total [3:01:59, 3:02:11]: of the scope of work that they would provide. Not it's not necessarily broken down in phases, but that's the total scope of work and details that they would provide for the entire project in terms of their review and evaluation. [3:02:11, 3:02:14]: Gotcha. So twenty five thousand for each. [3:02:15, 3:02:16]: I'll be [3:02:17, 3:02:21]: sections or services providing. [3:02:22, 3:02:27]: No, this is the total of everything that they pro provide as a company. [3:02:27, 3:02:28]: Okay. [3:02:28, 3:02:29]: And and for this site. [3:02:30, 3:02:30]: Okay. [3:02:32, 3:02:32]: Thank you. [3:02:32, 3:02:34]: Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, sir. [3:02:34, 3:02:39]: Uh yes, uh Cara. Uh thank you for uh coming to share this information. [3:02:39, 3:02:45]: Can you describe the uh unsuitable soil? Um, is it it appears that [3:02:45, 3:02:51]: The last time we approved uh the same subject was unsuitable soil. [3:02:51, 3:02:56]: Can you uh describe the uh unsuitable soil in this particular case? [3:02:57, 3:03:17]: Well, the unsuitable soils from the first phase of construction uh which we're undertaking right now, um we're pretty much past that, but it has drained the materials testing budget. And understand the materials testing is not just soils. Uh it's it's foundation work, it's concrete, uh it's [3:03:17, 3:03:37]: uh masonry construction, steel construction. So we're still encountering um expenses from Piedmont for uh the later items which is the concrete and the steel. So that's we've kind of drained the budget when we were dealing with the unsuitable soils early on in the project. [3:03:37, 3:03:43]: But this increase also will include setting up the budget for the phase two project. [3:03:44, 3:03:45]: Harding. [3:03:45, 3:03:48]: Uh which none of that has been expended yet, of course. [3:03:49, 3:03:56]: Hope that answers the question. Well, it it it did not. I'm I'm still trying to get an idea and a picture of [3:03:57, 3:04:01]: What is unsuitable soil? Okay. [3:04:02, 3:04:22]: So on the project, you initially set up a project assuming that all the soils on the project would be usable uh for reuse on the project for for backfill or for um the the regular uh what we call the cut and fill of the [3:04:22, 3:04:34]: airport, the fill part of the airport. So just moving dirt around. And when you encounter unsuitable soils, usually they contain organics or they may be excessively wet. [3:04:34, 3:04:52]: I think in our cases, uh, it was a lot of organics that was encountered. They can't be used on the project, so they have to be hauled off. So um the testing part of that is the people comes to the project and assesses those soils to determine if they can or cannot be used. [3:04:52, 3:04:58]: Uh, they quantify how much is not usable and substantiate. [3:04:58, 3:05:02]: The contractors initiative in [3:05:02, 3:05:07]: uh in quantifying how much dirt was hauled off that was unsuitable. [3:05:07, 3:05:13]: And the flip side of that is is to call in suitable soil suitable soil from an off site. [3:05:14, 3:05:24]: uh a borrow pit if you will uh to bring the project. So that's what's happened on this project is instead of the the soils being excavated and used on the project. [3:05:25, 3:05:30]: The unsuitables because of their their their organic contents uh [3:05:30, 3:05:33]: had to be hauled off and then and then good dirt brought back. [3:05:34, 3:05:41]: So when you say organic, Mr. Mayor, if I may, uh uh describe organic soil. [3:05:41, 3:05:52]: So that's gonna be soils that uh have um a lot of buried uh trees, uh roots, um and it could go beyond organic. It could it could be [3:05:53, 3:06:04]: uh materials that were placed there that might include loose rock or or things like that or just the soil itself is not what we'd call an engineered field type soil. [3:06:05, 3:06:05]: Oh [3:06:06, 3:06:11]: And the reason I asked this question is because it seemed like in some of the document I read where [3:06:11, 3:06:13]: It was stated um [3:06:15, 3:06:27]: that it may have been a landfill in this particular area. Right. Now you probably don't know this, but um I grew up here in Starkbridge and I'm familiar with the site. I knew what was on this site. [3:06:28, 3:06:29]: Um [3:06:29, 3:06:33]: Many years ago, way before they even thought about building City Hall. [3:06:33, 3:06:41]: And uh and that's why I wanted you to describe uh unsuitable soil. Now it it seems like in a project like this. [3:06:41, 3:06:44]: Uh if it's wooded area and [3:06:44, 3:06:50]: In building an amphitheater and you're moving a lot of dirt and a lot of salt. [3:06:50, 3:06:52]: It would seem that [3:06:52, 3:06:54]: This would have been built into the scope. [3:06:55, 3:06:59]: other project. It it I mean it just seemed like it would. [3:07:01, 3:07:14]: Okay, I'm gonna have to defer to Miss Moore because I wasn't involved in the initial setup of the property. Right. So um very good question, uh Mayor Pro Temp and it was if you remember back in um [3:07:15, 3:07:23]: Before 2020, around 19, we actually brought you all of the Piedmont and all the information that was a part of the ini initial scope. [3:07:24, 3:07:28]: after T SW had actually done their um [3:07:28, 3:07:40]: documents for us. And then at that particular time, based on the documents that they submitted, that's where you got that initial cost of the$25,000, which was a part of the initial scope. [3:07:40, 3:08:00]: But what happened is that when they got out there and they discovered that it was pretty much like you said, a landfill, then that caused the modification. So the services were a part of the original scope. What could not be determined were the unknowns, which actually are revealed once they started construction. I think they found [3:08:00, 3:08:20]: some retaining walls, they found concrete slabs. They found apparently a lot of debris that were part of building, I think, City Hall. The government just kind of buried it, you know, out there in the field. So while the initial scope spoke to the geotech and [3:08:20, 3:08:25]: And we initially had a cost, it's when they actually got out and performed the work. [3:08:25, 3:08:30]: that what we call they discover the retaining wall or [3:08:30, 3:08:33]: If if I may, um [3:08:34, 3:08:37]: Again, I grew up here when City Hall was built. [3:08:38, 3:08:39]: Um [3:08:39, 3:08:43]: It was wooded. I I I can't see how you could actually dump [3:08:44, 3:08:50]: through all of the woods and the trees. Um the high tower house, someone actually lived in the house. [3:08:50, 3:09:01]: Um where the flower shop was, it was a house. There was several businesses. Uh the church was there, the the ball field was there. So when City Hall was built, [3:09:01, 3:09:06]: Uh all of that area was was was wooded and grown up so [3:09:08, 3:09:17]: I would say when City Hall was built, all of that debris was hauled off. So there could not have been any dumping and it was never a landfill. [3:09:17, 3:09:27]: Um the only landfill in Star Brig was uh in the um Jennings Way area, well Memorial Park. That was the that was the landfill there. [3:09:28, 3:09:48]: Right. I think we provided you some pictures in the last report that we sent with the change orders. So we don't know when all of the dumping occurred. We don't know. Like you said, you remember as far back as you can. We don't know. What we do know is that we have pictures of what was found. So when they found the retaining walls. [3:09:48, 3:09:54]: when they found you know concrete block. You know, at some point in time, somebody actually. [3:09:54, 3:10:14]: buried it there. And so now it's being discovered as we're moving dirt. At what point in time? We just assume, you know, because that was the most recent um building, that all of this uh debris construction, all this other stuff came from the building, but you're saying that it didn't, but at some point in time [3:10:14, 3:10:18]: Somebody buried all of this debris. [3:10:18, 3:10:19]: uh out there on the site. [3:10:20, 3:10:38]: Well, I I I I guess it was done during uh M. L. King's senior time because um I won't say what year I was born, but I remember when all of that was built and I remember uh Mosley and Gilbert had a garage there where City Hall was and I I just know for a fact it was all wooded. So [3:10:39, 3:10:41]: Uh it is what it is, but um [3:10:42, 3:10:44]: I I just question that [3:10:45, 3:10:47]: And I just don't understand how [3:10:47, 3:10:48]: Um [3:10:48, 3:10:52]: When you're moving soil and dirt to build something like an amphitheater. [3:10:53, 3:10:58]: that that is not a built in cost and so I don't understand why [3:10:58, 3:11:00]: And I guess I need to ask the question. [3:11:00, 3:11:03]: Will we will staff be coming back again? [3:11:03, 3:11:04]: Talking about unsuitable soul. [3:11:05, 3:11:08]: Well, I can tell you on the site the other day they hit rock. [3:11:09, 3:11:27]: Um, you know, on the Georgia power um authorization that you gave, we got an email yesterday that they actually hit rock. And all I can say, councilman, is that you know, when you're building these type of projects, you just don't know what's underground until you are [3:11:28, 3:11:48]: Doing the work. What we tried to do was based on what we've found thus far, is give an estimate based on the soil that we discovered as unsuitable as a part of phase one, a basic estimate considering that we're probably going to deal with some of the same issues in terms of what those costs may look like. [3:11:48, 3:11:57]: Like. And hopefully what we're asking for, you know, will be enough. But for instance, when we start doing the parking lot and rockets hit. [3:11:58, 3:12:00]: It's rock, so we tried. [3:12:01, 3:12:04]: I can understand rock'cause if you just [3:12:04, 3:12:07]: I mean just look at the earth when there was nothing. [3:12:07, 3:12:10]: Nothing but the railroad, so I understand about rock, but [3:12:10, 3:12:13]: Anyway, that that's that's my final question, uh Mr. Mayor. [3:12:13, 3:12:14]: All right. [3:12:14, 3:12:15]: Boa. [3:12:15, 3:12:17]: No, no problem. Any other questions uh for Carl? [3:12:19, 3:12:26]: All right. If not, I need a motion to accept uh accept this amount for this uh unsuitable soil so we can move forward. [3:12:27, 3:12:28]: So move. So move. [3:12:29, 3:12:30]: Sir a second. [3:12:32, 3:12:33]: Is there a second? [3:12:35, 3:12:36]: A second. [3:12:36, 3:12:38]: Councilman Barber Segmus, any further discussion? [3:12:40, 3:12:40]: Yeah. [3:12:40, 3:12:42]: All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:12:43, 3:13:00]: Okay, all pose. I pose. Okay, so it's it's four to one. Four four to one it passes. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Carl. Appreciate you. Thank you. You're more than welcome. Stay if you like, sir. I think this is it for you tonight. I think that's it. Okay, all right. Good deal. Take care of yourself. [3:13:01, 3:13:20]: Uh council consideration to award a bid of RFQ number 2020-006-unified development code to the collab collaborative firm in the amount of$100,000. Funding source uh P and Z budget presented by Miss Miller and Miss Moore. Ladies, please. [3:13:21, 3:13:37]: Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. Once again, uh as stated, City Staff is requesting City Council approval of the recommended vendor, the collaborative firm LLC for RFQ number 20206 for the record. City of Stockbridge Consultant Services Preparation of Unified. [3:13:37, 3:13:57]: Development code and approved the agreement with collaborative firm LLC for an amount not to exceed$100,000. The solicitation was posted on the state of Georgia website and solicited to uh approximately 400 vendors. The solicitation was also posted on the city's website and advertised in the Henry Herald. [3:13:57, 3:14:17]: Into the state codes, state of Georgia code, according to the state of Georgia Code. If one if only one responsive and responsible responsible response is received, an award may be made to the single supplier if the issuing offer determines that the price submitted is fair and reasonable. Therefore, city staff is requesting your approval. [3:14:17, 3:14:21]: to award the agreement between the collaborative firm and the city of Stockbridge. [3:14:23, 3:14:30]: Thank you, appreciate it. Uh any questions for uh Miss Miller? Yes, uh Councilman Blount, go ahead please. Uh Miss Um [3:14:31, 3:14:38]: Miller, my understanding because I I asked a question about collaborative, my understanding is that's the only firm that applied. Is that correct? [3:14:39, 3:14:48]: That's correct. It was posted as stated, the solicitation was posted on the state of Georgia's website, the city's website, the Henry Harold, all according to the state statute. [3:14:48, 3:14:49]: Okay. [3:14:49, 3:14:51]: Uh I'd like to make a motion. [3:14:51, 3:14:52]: Go right in, sir. [3:14:52, 3:14:56]: That we move on this I uh item and approve uh [3:14:57, 3:14:57]: Um [3:14:58, 3:14:58]: Claudia. [3:14:59, 3:15:00]: Um collaborative farm. [3:15:01, 3:15:01]: Right. [3:15:02, 3:15:08]: Okay, second the councilman uh councilwoman Gantt. Any further discussion? [3:15:09, 3:15:10]: All favor motion, please indicate. [3:15:12, 3:15:13]: Okay. [3:15:13, 3:15:13]: Okay. [3:15:15, 3:15:18]: All opposed. I'm I'm going to abstain from the vote. [3:15:19, 3:15:20]: Okay. [3:15:20, 3:15:23]: Okay, all all proves to, all pose? [3:15:25, 3:15:26]: Oh [3:15:26, 3:15:27]: I'm sorry. [3:15:28, 3:15:29]: Go ahead, please. [3:15:29, 3:15:30]: Oh man. [3:15:31, 3:15:33]: Someone somebody some someone else is trying to speak. Go ahead. [3:15:34, 3:15:34]: Mayor. [3:15:35, 3:15:36]: And then I weigh in. [3:15:37, 3:15:55]: So I do not agree with um approving the award of a single bidder. I do wanna make a alternate motion. So I don't know at what time I can make that motion. Well right now I'm asking for the motion's been made in the second. I ask them for all people to approve the motion. I [3:15:55, 3:16:00]: Right now I believe I have two people that indicate two council members indicate they're approved and one sustain. [3:16:01, 3:16:04]: Uh is what I understand at this point. Wait on Councilman Thomas. [3:16:05, 3:16:11]: And um right, right. And now Councilman Thomas wants to s uh say something. I want I want to hear the other motion. [3:16:12, 3:16:21]: I have some concerns about this. As y'all probably know, this is one of the issues that I sort of spoke to the first of the year, and it was posted. [3:16:22, 3:16:24]: Um in February [3:16:25, 3:16:28]: Um it was close in march. [3:16:29, 3:16:31]: Here we are in September. [3:16:31, 3:16:35]: Then I hear Mrs. Miller say went out to four hundred vendors. [3:16:37, 3:16:43]: It's just strange out of four hundred vendors, you only get one response. And this is what I saw online. [3:16:43, 3:16:51]: Uh I'm just a little concerned about, you know, process, but I'm going to allow Mrs. uh Barber to [3:16:52, 3:16:58]: I I guess she has an alternate motion and I just need to hear that before I actually vote. Yeah, stand by. Councilman Blount. Go ahead, sir. [3:16:59, 3:17:14]: Mayor, uh with the motion on the floor and obviously it's not gonna pass. It's it's failed. It's actually failed. And that's fine. I just want to make a comment. One of the things we have to continue to look out and be careful and cautious about is that we begin we're getting to be too insinuative about [3:17:15, 3:17:15]: Oh [3:17:16, 3:17:19]: uh things are not being done right or done wrong. [3:17:19, 3:17:23]: uh by staff when staff put out a rf [3:17:23, 3:17:34]: We're not there to govern that RFP. If we s if if if we think that some wrongdoing is being done or whatever with these RFP, we can't insinuate that it is through our actions on on this call. [3:17:35, 3:17:39]: Uh saying you you know, when we if if it was four hundred that went out. [3:17:40, 3:17:43]: Then we can't sit here and question that as staff. [3:17:43, 3:17:49]: You know, it's it's what I'll put it this way, you can question whatever you want to. It's just not proper for us to continue. [3:17:49, 3:17:52]: To throw staff on the bus right here in public. [3:17:53, 3:18:09]: If you got questions for staff, that's why we pick up phones. That's why we come. All of these questions and everything can be answered prior to these meetings. This is not the place to lit uh learn or talk up or talk down about things you're concerned about with staff. That's why we have meetings outside of this. [3:18:10, 3:18:22]: But if if if staff say that they're do uh this is the only person that applied, then why we can't just believe that? If you don't believe it, then we need to d investigate staff outside of this. [3:18:22, 3:18:32]: Mr. Mayor, Mayor Samuel please. Ms. Camp, please make her a motion. Okay, Mayor, I I'm sorry, Mayor, I I believe there was a motion. [3:18:32, 3:18:37]: And I made by councilman Blount, I second the motion. [3:18:37, 3:18:39]: Councilman Alexander Abstain. [3:18:40, 3:18:41]: Um castle warm and [3:18:42, 3:18:48]: uh R uh Barber said no and counsel man I'm not for sure what Mayor Pro Tem said. [3:18:49, 3:18:53]: But whatever the case may be, we have a vote on the floor [3:18:53, 3:18:58]: And it seems like it's two two and you would be breaking the tie. It's on you, Mayor. [3:18:59, 3:19:11]: Well I what actually there's five votes cast, so there's not a tie. Oh yeah. Well what what what how's how are there five votes cast? If there were one abstention [3:19:12, 3:19:24]: One, I don't know what Mayor Pro Tem voted yet, but myself and Councilman Blount voted to move forward. And m Ms. Barber said no. And if even if Mr. T Mayor Pro Tem says no, that's two two. [3:19:25, 3:19:25]: So [3:19:26, 3:19:37]: There's a tie. Are we still in the discussion about the well actually what it is? No, we voted Mr Williams Mr. Williams needs to weigh on this up because it's five votes cast. [3:19:37, 3:19:44]: Mr. Talman said he was not in favor. I took that as a no, but he needs to say what his vote is then. [3:19:45, 3:19:47]: I I want I wanted to get [3:19:47, 3:19:48]: I w Mr. [3:19:48, 3:19:58]: Go ahead, Ms. Wee. The Mayor Pro Tem hasn't voted yet. He said he wanted to hear uh whatever form of the motion was. He hasn't voted yet. [3:19:58, 3:20:04]: Um now the mayor did say that it didn't pass and and that's his [3:20:04, 3:20:24]: um privilege as the presiding officer to state that and and y'all can appeal his his ruling. Oh I I would appeal my own ruling on that. If I'm if if if if if you got one sustain substation substantive God can't get it out. Substack almost sustain yeah sustaining uh then then we then we got two four and [3:20:24, 3:20:31]: And Barber says no and okay, so where pro Tam, where does he stand on this? I mean are we going to have discussion about this? [3:20:32, 3:20:38]: We've already had We already had discussion on it. Uh we are we already had discussion really. [3:20:39, 3:20:39]: Because [3:20:40, 3:20:44]: Councilman Blount initially made the motion without any discussion. [3:20:45, 3:20:49]: I want to be heard here. We've had a discussion. [3:20:50, 3:21:10]: So whenever involved do your voting and finalize the vote. Mayor point of order. Okay, hold on. Okay. We're trying to establish now what the vote count is. Everyone is voted except Mayor Pro Tem. If Mayor Pro Tem is not for the point of order is that now is it's it's in your pa hand to determine who gets this vote. [3:21:10, 3:21:18]: If I can get a point of order, I I don't think discussion was asked for. I do know it was motion. [3:21:18, 3:21:20]: It was circuit. [3:21:20, 3:21:23]: But I don't think you asked for discussion. You asked for the vote. [3:21:24, 3:21:39]: No, no, he asked for this. No, he asked for discussion because I asked L I asked Ms. Lindell in the discussion phase about how many people applied. And she told me and she said that that the collaborative firm was the only one. That was doing discussion. [3:21:39, 3:21:46]: I can't that was doing the discussion right there. And so it was it was it was voted on second, and that was the discussion phase. [3:21:48, 3:21:50]: All right. Let's okay, let's back up for a second. [3:21:51, 3:21:51]: All right. [3:21:52, 3:21:54]: Miss Barber, you have something you still need to say. [3:21:54, 3:21:55]: Is that what it is that right? [3:21:56, 3:21:58]: Absolutely. Go ahead. What's your comment? [3:21:59, 3:22:00]: This item [3:22:00, 3:22:05]: Is being presented as a request for quote uh [3:22:05, 3:22:07]: Requests for qualifications. [3:22:07, 3:22:10]: Let's be clear, it's not a request for a proposal. [3:22:11, 3:22:14]: This is a request for qualification. [3:22:15, 3:22:16]: Yes. [3:22:17, 3:22:19]: Із а ту степ процес. [3:22:20, 3:22:36]: So the fact that we've skipped all over the request for a proposal process and have gone straight from a request for qualification to now an award of one single bid concerns me. [3:22:37, 3:22:37]: A mayor. [3:22:37, 3:22:39]: Conversation with [3:22:39, 3:22:41]: Mr. Knighton just last week. [3:22:42, 3:22:46]: And what I suggested is that we would table this item. [3:22:46, 3:22:47]: Table it. [3:22:48, 3:22:52]: Just as we did the last item, the janitorial service. [3:22:53, 3:22:55]: When it comes to [3:22:55, 3:23:06]: Items such as this, we need to make sure that we are being fair and transparent about the way we do business and about the way we govern. [3:23:08, 3:23:12]: Miss Miller understands exactly what I mean. We have to make a [3:23:13, 3:23:14]: Good day. [3:23:14, 3:23:18]: in advertising all of these solicitations. [3:23:18, 3:23:20]: [12200.3, 12201.5]: That you go through. [3:23:22, 3:23:25]: This was not solicited as an RP. [3:23:25, 3:23:41]: It was advertised as a request for pro request for qualifications. I want to see us use more than two or three methods of advertising going forward for all solicitations, including [3:23:41, 3:23:42]: This one. [3:23:42, 3:23:43]: Um [3:23:44, 3:23:53]: I want to see us use at least four or five um methods for advertising. Whenever there is one bid that has been submitted. [3:23:54, 3:24:04]: We need to see all of the supporting documents, the tabulations, um, the evaluations, everything that was used to um [3:24:05, 3:24:25]: Make this award. But because there's only one bidder, I like to see us table this to allow staff another 60 days to re-advertise this. And if within 60 days she's received at least three responders, then she can bring it back to us. But 60 days [3:24:25, 3:24:30]: will give us until the very first council meeting in November. [3:24:30, 3:24:36]: If by November, if there has not been at least [3:24:36, 3:24:42]: Three responsive bidders to this. I've asked Mr. Knighton. We've had this conversation extensively. [3:24:43, 3:24:43]: It [3:24:44, 3:24:48]: For all solicitations going forward, if at least three [3:24:49, 3:25:01]: potential bidders have not submitted proposals, then I'm asking that policies be changed to allow um procurement to extend the debt. [3:25:01, 3:25:12]: before the deadline of the bid closes for another 30 days to show good faith effort in advertising for these types of projects. [3:25:13, 3:25:21]: I don't feel comfortable with just awarding a contract to one single bidder in which this solicitation. [3:25:21, 3:25:27]: as a request for quality qualification was only advertised for 30 days. [3:25:27, 3:25:28]: That is not long enough. [3:25:29, 3:25:30]: That is [3:25:30, 3:25:31]: My comment. [3:25:32, 3:25:36]: Mr Mr Blood. Go ahead, Calvin Blount. [3:25:37, 3:25:41]: We have to understand and realize we have a city manager to manage the city. [3:25:42, 3:26:00]: We're the elective body. When a RFQ goes out, just like we did with the amphitheater, those qualifying companies came in and they qualified. Then an RFP was put out to to see which one of those companies we was gonna choose. Stop me anytime, Miss Uh Moore or Ms. Lindale, if I'm speaking wrong. [3:26:01, 3:26:03]: The process is there. [3:26:03, 3:26:04]: Already. [3:26:05, 3:26:12]: We have to understand that when we sit here and a process has been put to the to the staff, whether it's the city manager or any other staff member. [3:26:13, 3:26:25]: If they go by what, if they go by the procedure and get things done, we can't continue to sit on these Zoom calls belittling staff and what they're doing. [3:26:25, 3:26:31]: And talk about a process that don't even exist. An RFQ has to go out before RFP. [3:26:31, 3:26:51]: Okay, because the RFQ gonna tell you what companies are qualified in order to establish an RLP to figure out which company you're gonna use. We can't continue to sit here and try to be the city manager, be uh the pup uh community development director, be procurement. We we're the we're the elected budget. [3:26:51, 3:27:06]: body, not the city manager. I think it's a beliterment to the city manager to continually question where he should be questioning staff. I think it's a beliterment to staff to continue to question the process that they're going through. [3:27:06, 3:27:11]: Nobody's here is trying to hurt this city and to to and to continue to insinuate. [3:27:12, 3:27:24]: and belittle what staff is doing and call them to the forefront every move they'll make, then maybe we not maybe those people that are doing it shouldn't be elected official. Maybe you should be staff doing it. [3:27:24, 3:27:36]: But this is getting out of hand. It's getting totally ridiculous. We're questioning everything and we're putting it off to another week. I'm not, we shouldn't have to sit here all night because we're not allowing staff to do what staff is hired to do. [3:27:37, 3:27:38]: Simple as that. [3:27:38, 3:27:42]: Maple Tim Thomas, go ahead, sir. I I wanna respond to [3:27:44, 3:27:45]: My duty [3:27:46, 3:27:48]: And my right and my authority. [3:27:49, 3:27:54]: Now I have attempted to call staff on a number of occasions. [3:27:55, 3:27:57]: before meetings and ask questions. [3:27:58, 3:27:59]: And I'm gonna say this. [3:28:00, 3:28:00]: Um [3:28:01, 3:28:03]: I did not get a truthful answer. [3:28:03, 3:28:06]: So I would not call [3:28:06, 3:28:09]: Well, I won't say I would not call before a meeting again. [3:28:10, 3:28:12]: But I resent the fact that um [3:28:12, 3:28:14]: Well, I did attempt it to [3:28:14, 3:28:16]: Uh I didn't get truth of information. [3:28:17, 3:28:24]: And so therefore, um I you know, I'm I'm not leaning toward calling again. But I'll say this though. [3:28:24, 3:28:28]: The city council, we we are we are policy makers. [3:28:29, 3:28:32]: Staff are hired to carry out [3:28:33, 3:28:35]: The directives of the city council. [3:28:37, 3:28:38]: Damn. [3:28:38, 3:28:39]: Gills [3:28:39, 3:28:41]: Рекомендаються [3:28:41, 3:28:43]: And suggestions. [3:28:44, 3:28:46]: We as a council do not have to take that. [3:28:47, 3:28:51]: When they give a recommendation and a suggestion [3:28:52, 3:28:54]: That job and that duty is done. [3:28:55, 3:28:57]: It is up to the council. [3:28:57, 3:29:00]: To decide whether you accept [3:29:00, 3:29:02]: Or reject. [3:29:02, 3:29:09]: their recommendation or their suggestion. So let's just be clear about this. We are the policymakers. [3:29:09, 3:29:14]: Staff are hired to carry out the directive of the city council. [3:29:14, 3:29:30]: So um again, I I have attempted on a number of occasions, and I'm not gonna throw up, you know, old dirt, but I have attempted to call beforehand because that was always one of my pet peeves about calling and getting all of my questions answered before. [3:29:30, 3:29:47]: But if I don't get, you know, in my opinion, I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, but in my opinion, if I don't get a truthful answer and I could and I could bag that up if I have to, but I'm not gonna get into that at this point in time. And I think there's several staff members that know exactly what I'm talking about. [3:29:48, 3:30:08]: So um I'm not gonna never shook my duty and my responsibility as an elected official. And I have a right to ask questions any kind of way I wanna ask when I wanna ask, as well to each and every one of us. So I don't I do not try to dictate to anyone else the way they govern themselves. And no one is going to govern the way uh [3:30:08, 3:30:11]: uh uh where I govern myself. And that's just a fact. [3:30:12, 3:30:14]: I miss Barber, go ahead. [3:30:17, 3:30:18]: Good afternoon, Mayor. May I speak? [3:30:19, 3:30:22]: That you will stand by one second. Stand by. Miss Barber, go ahead. [3:30:22, 3:30:24]: No, I yield to Miss Miller. [3:30:24, 3:30:25]: Go ahead, Miss Miller. [3:30:25, 3:30:26]: Um [3:30:27, 3:30:36]: The um Councilman Thomas is actually correct. You have a recommendation by staff in front of you based on a solicitation process that was fair. [3:30:37, 3:30:40]: That was open and that was transparent. [3:30:40, 3:30:43]: And that followed every guideline according to state. [3:30:44, 3:30:45]: And municipal. [3:30:45, 3:30:46]: Char um statute. [3:30:48, 3:30:49]: I have [3:30:49, 3:30:51]: In the time that I've been here. [3:30:51, 3:30:52]: Done more solicitations. [3:30:53, 3:30:54]: And have [3:30:55, 3:30:58]: Дун майст, гевін ди. [3:30:58, 3:31:00]: One hundred and fifty percent. [3:31:01, 3:31:04]: Of my time to get the job done. [3:31:05, 3:31:07]: I will not have my integrity. [3:31:08, 3:31:08]: Questions. [3:31:10, 3:31:12]: Everything about this process has been fair. [3:31:13, 3:31:15]: Solicitation was posted. [3:31:15, 3:31:17]: Аккордити. [3:31:17, 3:31:18]: According to our statute. [3:31:19, 3:31:21]: The pre-bid was done. [3:31:21, 3:31:22]: according to the statute. [3:31:22, 3:31:31]: If you read the solicitation, it provides the evaluation criteria in which a vendor knows how they're going to be evaluated. [3:31:32, 3:31:39]: I have never received a call from a councilman or a council person that I was untruthful about. I don't know what that is about. [3:31:40, 3:31:54]: My process, and I've been doing this for a very long time, I am a certified public procurement officer, earned my stripes. And I can tell you I can take this solicitation in court with anyone, any day. [3:31:55, 3:31:58]: This process was done fair. It was done open. [3:31:59, 3:32:07]: What you have in front of you today is a recommendation based on the solicit on the process, not on my integrity. [3:32:07, 3:32:09]: I think that it's unfair. [3:32:09, 3:32:13]: That staff is treated and talked to in a demeaning manner. [3:32:14, 3:32:16]: But if that is how. [3:32:16, 3:32:35]: You feel that you should talk to us, then that's fine. But what you have in front of you is a recommendation. You can choose not to approve it or approve it. It matters nothing to me. What matters to me is I come in and I do a job and I do it fair and I do it with integrity. [3:32:35, 3:32:42]: What I'm asking council right now is city staff is asking to approve a recommendation. [3:32:42, 3:32:46]: for collaborative firm. That's all. Not my integrity. [3:32:47, 3:32:50]: Okay, Miss Barber, stand by folks. Miss Barber, go ahead. [3:32:52, 3:32:52]: Yeah. [3:32:53, 3:32:56]: I didn't have a comment. I didn't write. Okay, they're Pro Tem Thomas. [3:32:56, 3:33:02]: Well let me be clear on my comments and uh I I have never called Mrs. Miller and asked her any question. [3:33:03, 3:33:04]: So um [3:33:04, 3:33:08]: I have never questioned her integrity, uh, not at all. [3:33:08, 3:33:09]: But I will [3:33:10, 3:33:12]: They'll continue to state that [3:33:12, 3:33:19]: When staff make a recommendation or a suggestion, we don't have to take it. I mean that's just the bottom line. And that's that's all I'm saying right here. [3:33:19, 3:33:21]: Uh is that you know, you make a [3:33:21, 3:33:30]: Your job is to make a recommendation and to make a request. It is our duty to accept or reject. And that's all I'm gonna say on that. But when I made reference to [3:33:31, 3:33:33]: Мімики на колти став. [3:33:34, 3:33:37]: uh on another issue or even about this issue [3:33:38, 3:33:51]: Uh that was not about you. You know yourself. I have never called you and asked you a question. So I don't know who you're referring to about uh insulting your intelligence because it wasn't me because I never called you and asked you the question. I I think um [3:33:52, 3:34:08]: The two staff members that I've had this discussion with, they know exactly who they are. I think this council even knows about the issue that when it happened back in uh early January. So uh it has nothing to do with you, uh uh Ms. Mills. But I I but I just wanna make it clear though that [3:34:09, 3:34:13]: We accept or reject staff recommendations all the time. [3:34:13, 3:34:18]: Uh and I mean and and that's just just clear. That's just the nature of of um [3:34:18, 3:34:20]: municipal government, so [3:34:20, 3:34:24]: I don't think in any of my comments I have belittle you. [3:34:24, 3:34:34]: or even insinuate that you have not been truthful. So I don't I'm not really sure where you're coming from on on that particular end. But all I'm just saying is that [3:34:34, 3:34:35]: Um [3:34:36, 3:34:40]: elected body don't have to take the suggestion or recommendation. [3:34:41, 3:34:49]: And I mean and that just and that's just municipal government. But I I just want to just say this now, I I'm familiar with the collaborative firm. [3:34:50, 3:34:56]: Um, I don't have a problem with them. And and actually, you know, I was going to uh approve of this myself. [3:34:57, 3:35:06]: But I'm just saying though, and I think what Mrs. Barber and the reason I wanted to hear what Mrs. Barber was saying, because just like she indicated with the landscaping company. [3:35:06, 3:35:19]: with the uh janitorial, it was only one bid and I think we all of us agreed that we would just send that back out based on the fact that it was only one. So I don't know how we can sort of just pick and choose [3:35:20, 3:35:31]: uh on those two particular uh cases, but that was only one entry and now we're we still only have one entry and now when we want to send this one back, you know, all hair, all hair break loose. [3:35:31, 3:35:32]: But I'm just saying. [3:35:33, 3:35:35]: Okay, Miss Ken, go ahead, please. [3:35:35, 3:35:42]: Thank you. Um, Mayor Pro Tem, I appreciate your comments and I I personally [3:35:42, 3:35:47]: Um hope that I don't offend staff. I do rely on your expertise in the fields that you [3:35:48, 3:35:50]: Um we're hard. [3:35:50, 3:35:51]: Four. [3:35:51, 3:35:58]: And it is true that we definitely can choose to approve, accept, or reject, or or say try again. [3:35:58, 3:35:59]: And [3:36:00, 3:36:11]: I I think if you look at the history in the past couple of months since January of what's been going on here, there's always been an issue continuously lately with procurement. [3:36:12, 3:36:15]: For whatever reason, and and I don't understand that reason. [3:36:16, 3:36:17]: Um however [3:36:18, 3:36:19]: During the presentation [3:36:20, 3:36:26]: um that procurement discussed. They discussed putting the advertisement in the state. [3:36:27, 3:36:30]: Where there were four hundred available vendors. [3:36:31, 3:36:34]: to be able to, you know, apply for this position. [3:36:34, 3:36:37]: Um, Mayor Protein, you're correct that [3:36:37, 3:36:55]: you know, the janitorial service and the other th other um things that we sent back because they had one bid. But they didn't go without a debate that we're doing the same thing we're doing now because I'm very aware that I was totally against going back. [3:36:55, 3:37:02]: I think that there's always been a process [3:37:03, 3:37:07]: And you know, if those things are gonna need to be changed [3:37:07, 3:37:09]: Then [3:37:10, 3:37:21]: it's gonna take, you know, the on what that process looks like. Curam officer, what I'm not. Um, I literally think, um, in addition to that, just an example of something we did [3:37:22, 3:37:26]: At the very last meeting we had an opportunity to go ahead and get a dump truck that we needed. [3:37:27, 3:37:30]: But we did. We held back. [3:37:30, 3:37:32]: on a beard, on something that was [3:37:33, 3:37:34]: Thirty something years old. [3:37:35, 3:37:40]: after they tried to keep saying in in as much discreet way they could [3:37:40, 3:37:43]: that we bad so badly needed a vehicle. [3:37:44, 3:37:47]: When are we gonna just, you know, get those things moving? [3:37:48, 3:37:52]: Um councilman Alexander, you might get things moving. Let's keep moving. [3:37:53, 3:37:57]: I feel like we are debating and wasting our time. [3:37:57, 3:38:01]: On things that need to take place. [3:38:01, 3:38:10]: From RFQ to RFP, if whether you know what those are and the processes that they are, we have to trust our staff that they're doing their job. [3:38:10, 3:38:12]: And to Mayor Ford. [3:38:13, 3:38:16]: We went around and about. [3:38:16, 3:38:18]: And around and about. [3:38:18, 3:38:19]: I made a motion. [3:38:20, 3:38:35]: Councilman Blount as Councilman Blount made a motion, I seconded. We actually took a vote. Councilman Alexander abstained. We were waiting on Councilman um we were waiting on Mayor Pro Tem to vote. You wanted to hear what Councilman Barber had stated? [3:38:36, 3:38:46]: And here we are. We're still discussing even after we basically took a vote. And it's from my understanding, based off of what I've read. [3:38:47, 3:38:50]: Um on Robert's rules that if there's a a a abstention [3:38:51, 3:38:53]: That means that vote does not count. [3:38:53, 3:39:02]: And you have a two two, then you have the ability to break a tie. I understand. So are you s I'm going to I mean I'll break the time. I'll go ahead and break the time with the mayor. [3:39:02, 3:39:06]: You do what now, sir? I'll go ahead and break the tire. I I just wanted to get my comments out. [3:39:07, 3:39:12]: Uh but in in that uh and I'm going to vote uh in favor, but let me say this. [3:39:12, 3:39:13]: Um [3:39:14, 3:39:18]: think it's what I've heard and what I've been hearing lately that [3:39:18, 3:39:19]: Um [3:39:20, 3:39:35]: There need to be some reform, I believe, in the um procurement process. It has nothing to do with staff. That's see that that's that's what I'm I'm trying to get over. It has nothing to do with staff. It it's about [3:39:35, 3:39:37]: Um the process. [3:39:38, 3:39:41]: Which has nothing to do with staff, it's it's about the process. [3:39:41, 3:39:54]: And and and y'all know I'm always talking about process and protocol and things like that. But I'll just say this. I'll go ahead and and and and vote in favor, but I will suggest this, and I think we're gonna have to come back. [3:39:55, 3:39:57]: And I think we're gonna have to look at uh procure [3:39:57, 3:40:05]: As well as some other things. And I won't get into the document that I left in everybody's box. I won't get into that. But [3:40:05, 3:40:10]: Uh I'm about moving forward. It's no doubt about that. And and I have some concern about [3:40:11, 3:40:13]: The moving forward of this city. [3:40:13, 3:40:27]: Uh but I I'll go ahead uh and and and just go forward with this and vote in favor. Why why don't we make this may we make it nice and clean? We'll redo it to vote, make sure we got it nice and clean. Miss Barber, you k you kept having your hand up. You got anything else you need to say? [3:40:28, 3:40:28]: I do. [3:40:28, 3:40:29]: Go ahead. [3:40:30, 3:40:35]: То I want to make sure that Miss Miller understands this is not a personal attack on you. [3:40:35, 3:40:38]: I know that Miss More told me earlier this year. [3:40:39, 3:40:44]: after my initial meeting with you that Mr. Knighton no longer wanted me to speak with you. [3:40:45, 3:41:00]: So my communications about the procurement processes and understanding the policies, which is why I was asking about the purchasing manuals. If you don't know, my my background is in purchasing as well. [3:41:01, 3:41:16]: Me asking questions is simply trying to understand how the city operates and how the procurement processes operate. So it is not a attack on you. It is simply for me. [3:41:16, 3:41:32]: to begin the conversations with my colleagues about our procurement processes. We must be fair and transparent about the way we govern and about the way we do business. That has nothing to do with you, Ms. Miller. [3:41:32, 3:41:36]: You are a consummate professional and have been. [3:41:36, 3:41:38]: I just want to be real clear. [3:41:39, 3:41:42]: This was an item that I addressed with Mr. Knighton. [3:41:42, 3:41:43]: Just last week. [3:41:44, 3:41:47]: I have a real problem with approving [3:41:47, 3:41:50]: Um an award with only [3:41:50, 3:41:51]: One bitter. [3:41:51, 3:41:55]: And the fact that this solicitation was only out for 30 days. [3:41:56, 3:41:59]: I don't believe that we're using um [3:41:59, 3:42:00]: Um [3:42:01, 3:42:21]: Enough methods to advertise these solicitations. So I want us to consider more ways to advertise. I mentioned earlier this year direct mailers. We need to do that. I know Georgia Cities, they also help with soliciting advertisements as well. We need to expand our [3:42:21, 3:42:41]: base and getting more people involved in our solicitations and submitting proposals for us. I am not in support of continuing to use point of order that we've been using for years. Hang on um councilman Blount I do not point of order. We're not here to [3:42:41, 3:43:01]: Talk about policies. We're here to vote on this. If we may have point of order, stand by. Hold on a second, please. But let it finish and we'll go to the mayor. You have to listen to my point of order. Whether you deny it or not, you're supposed to listen to my point of order. What's your point order? My point of order is is that we're sitting here [3:43:01, 3:43:04]: Right now three one one boat. [3:43:05, 3:43:25]: We're sitting here right now with three one one vote. No matter how many times Councilman Blount and Councilwoman Ganttz, you will not talk over me and try to dis um disqualify me or not acknowledge. [3:43:25, 3:43:42]: Me. I am good. Talk to I didn't say a word to you. You better get it together. I do not care about what you all hold on. I will stick with the my issue is the procurement process point of order. [3:43:43, 3:43:57]: I wanna make sure we are fair. Mayor, I'm calling for a point of order. And I want us to make sure that we review our procurement at some point in time, Mayor, you're gonna say Keep my name out your mouth, because I didn't say nothing to you. You a liar. [3:43:58, 3:44:05]: Stop going around lying. You lie every chance you get. Commute it. Unmute. [3:44:05, 3:44:25]: Stop. You're muted. Every chance you get to lie. And so do you. I am so, so terribly disappointed. All right, hold, hold, stop, folks. Let's stop. Stop. Let's stop the stop all this. I'm not even saying anything. That's what gives me. Can you mute everybody? [3:44:25, 3:44:28]: Except for the mayor, please. [3:44:32, 3:44:35]: Well obviously we didn't need uh all right. Thank you. Okay, listen. [3:44:35, 3:44:36]: What we're gonna do. [3:44:37, 3:44:43]: I w I've uh uh I know Mayor Pro Temp said he wanted to uh vote for this. We'll we'll start this clean. Motion is made and seconded. [3:44:44, 3:44:57]: All in favor of the motion, please indicate. Raise your hand. All in favor raise your hand if you're in favor of the motion. Aye. I can't raise, you can't see me. Aye. All right. One in favor of the motion. Two. Three. All right. All opposed. [3:44:58, 3:45:05]: Okay, uh sustain. We still gotta sustain. Okay, so it's three one one. Motion passes. All right, we'll move on. [3:45:07, 3:45:07]: Thank you. [3:45:08, 3:45:20]: Council consideration to approve the Carter and Sloop Task Order number 23 for annual watershed monitoring and reporting years twenty twenty-one to twenty twenty-three in an amount of sixty-one thousand two hundred dollars. [3:45:20, 3:45:26]: Funding source sewer budget presented by Destus Aaron and uh Brad Holzinger, please. [3:45:27, 3:45:39]: Yes, Mr. Mayor. I'll let Mr. Holzinger take the lead on this, but this is required by federal and state law that we monitor the stream that we're discharging our wastewater into and I'll let Mr. Holtzinger speak. [3:45:40, 3:45:56]: Uh I'll be as brief as possible. Uh watershed monitoring training is a collection of data uh for to determine water quality throughout our community. It could be streams, lakes, what have you. [3:45:58, 3:46:18]: It's not something so much associated with the sewer department. Uh the EPD puts it in our permits to force the city to do this. And it's just a way for them to get somebody to do it and they don't have to, I feel. But besides that, uh Carter and Sloop. [3:46:18, 3:46:28]: has done it for the past three years and they're willing to hold their price at what it was the past three years. And I recommend that we do it. [3:46:30, 3:46:36]: All right. Council, any question for Mr. Holsinger at all or Mr. Aaron about this proposal, this task order? [3:46:40, 3:46:41]: And Eugene. [3:46:42, 3:46:46]: If if if you got everybody muted, unmute them so that they can speak on this issue if they need to speak. [3:46:49, 3:46:52]: There was no comments. Okay, no comments. [3:46:53, 3:46:56]: Then I need a mo I'm gonna need a motion to accept this task order. [3:47:00, 3:47:01]: I need'em [3:47:02, 3:47:05]: If you all will be able to raise your hands, he can unmute you. [3:47:09, 3:47:11]: I okay so moved. [3:47:11, 3:47:14]: Okay, motion I need a motion, actual motion. [3:47:14, 3:47:15]: Mm. [3:47:15, 3:47:20]: So some move the motion. Is there a second? [3:47:21, 3:47:25]: Second. Second, Mr. Thomas. Okay. Any further discussion? [3:47:25, 3:47:27]: And if not, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:47:29, 3:47:31]: All right, seemed like it is unanimous. Okay, fantastic. [3:47:32, 3:47:39]: Council consideration to approve an ordinance requiring the use of masks and face coverings in public during COVID nineteen outbreak. Mr. Williams, please. [3:47:40, 3:47:49]: Mr. Mayor, before uh I think this is the last agenda item, before we discuss it, there's a matter that uh needs the council's attention. Um [3:47:49, 3:48:02]: As you all will remember, you uh approved an ordinance we we call it the business limitation ordinance uh last year that provided for spacing for certain types of businesses and numerical limitations on others. [3:48:02, 3:48:22]: uh among the businesses were vape shops. Um it's come to my attention that there's some concern about cigar bars and hookah bars which uh weren't um specifically covered under that ordinance. And and if if those concerns are are uh the share by the entire council, my suggestion [3:48:22, 3:48:28]: suggestion would be that you entertain the adoption of a moratorium on those types of businesses. [3:48:28, 3:48:32]: So that staff can bring back back a recommendation on how [3:48:32, 3:48:36]: Or whether to include those as part of your business limitation ordinance. [3:48:38, 3:48:42]: All right. So um so this is you're adding an agenda item is what you're doing right now, it seems like. [3:48:43, 3:48:47]: The i i if that's the will of the council to consider a moratorium, y yes, sir. [3:48:50, 3:48:55]: Well we we c uh uh we could have adopted this first thing first thing when we started the meeting, sir. Go ahead, Mr. Blount. [3:48:57, 3:49:02]: So so so with the hookah bars and bait bars and and cigar bars, you're saying that [3:49:02, 3:49:04]: It would be a mor memorial with spacing it. [3:49:05, 3:49:07]: They're just you just add them to the list. [3:49:07, 3:49:11]: G th if that's what council ultimately wanted to do, yes sir. [3:49:11, 3:49:12]: I'm I'm for it. [3:49:14, 3:49:17]: Any other comments from the council in reference to this item? [3:49:20, 3:49:26]: So otherwise uh well you uh it seemed like we need a we need a vote to add it to the list? Yeah, we yeah, we I would think we need a vote to need a yeah. [3:49:27, 3:49:30]: So so I need a m uh motion uh to um [3:49:30, 3:49:35]: Well, we need a motion. We need a motion to add this to the agenda and then a motion to vote on this, I would imagine. [3:49:37, 3:49:41]: Right, Mr. Turney's. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That's what council wanted to do. Yes, sir. [3:49:42, 3:49:45]: So first of all I need a motion to add this issue to the agenda, first of all. [3:49:46, 3:49:50]: Mayor, I wanted to add the uh to the agenda, the um [3:49:50, 3:49:52]: proposal to [3:49:52, 3:49:57]: At hookah bars and cigar bars to the memorial. [3:49:57, 3:49:59]: Oh, is there s is there a second? [3:50:01, 3:50:02]: Is there a second? [3:50:03, 3:50:10]: I second. Mayor Pro Thomas seconds that. All right. Any further discussion? That was Mayor Pro Tem Thomas? That's correct. Okay. [3:50:13, 3:50:17]: If no further conversation uh conversation, all in favor of adding this to the agenda, please indicate. [3:50:19, 3:50:20]: Want to [3:50:23, 3:50:25]: Three. I got three. All polls. [3:50:26, 3:50:27]: Sustain. [3:50:29, 3:50:37]: Well then the only thing would would need to be a a potential motion to uh adopt a moratorium on those uh [3:50:37, 3:50:44]: on hookah bars and cigar bars for usually we do those for uh ninety to a hundred and twenty days. [3:50:44, 3:50:57]: I approve uh so move. So move, so second. Uh mayor, real quick, am I correct that there was no vote from Councilman Alexander or Councilwoman Barber? Yeah, they didn't I didn't indicate I didn't see a vote from the case. Okay. I just wanted to make sure that was correct. Right. [3:50:59, 3:51:04]: So uh I need a motion to uh to I'd say so move. Okay, is there a second? [3:51:04, 3:51:05]: I've seen it again. [3:51:05, 3:51:13]: All right. Uh give Gantt, give it to Gantt second. Okay. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor that motion please indicate. [3:51:15, 3:51:17]: Okay. All pose. [3:51:18, 3:51:19]: Sustained. [3:51:20, 3:51:23]: All right, so sustain. So I got three zero one. [3:51:25, 3:51:31]: Well, I don't have a vote from Councilman Alexander, which isn't. I mean this. [3:51:32, 3:51:34]: He sustains. So three zero two. [3:51:34, 3:51:35]: All right. Now. [3:51:36, 3:51:41]: Okay, I uh sorry about that, Mr. Mayor, and I appreciate your indulgence. Um [3:51:42, 3:51:49]: So you have in front of you a uh the model ordinance that GMA uh produced. [3:51:49, 3:51:58]: uh in the aftermath of the legal dispute between the governor and the mayor of Atlanta regarding whether the city of Atlanta could adopt [3:51:59, 3:52:06]: uh a an an order requiring the wearing of masks throughout the city of Atlanta. As you will recall, the governor [3:52:07, 3:52:13]: uh uh filed a lawsuit saying that her order um violated his executive order. [3:52:13, 3:52:33]: He has since withdrawn that in favor of an executive order that uh essentially allows businesses uh to opt out of any local uh ordinance or order that provides for mandatory masks. So this uh um ordinance which has been prepared by uh GM. [3:52:33, 3:52:53]: May to try to balance those two competing issues provides for a mandatory mask policy for people while they are in public. But there are exceptions in this ordinance. [3:52:53, 3:52:56]: So I I can walk through those briefly. [3:52:56, 3:53:05]: Um and then it we'll we'll see what the council's uh desire is. But that but again it requires that all persons at any public [3:53:05, 3:53:08]: a place where a facial mask [3:53:08, 3:53:11]: Or covering over the mouth and nose at all times. [3:53:11, 3:53:17]: where uh they can't be uh physically um distant um in order to [3:53:17, 3:53:20]: You know, maintain an ability to uh [3:53:20, 3:53:22]: Prevent the spread of ковід найтін. [3:53:23, 3:53:43]: But it does provide for a number of of uh instances where it's not required. Uh among those are obviously in personal vehicles and and in personal residences. Um when you are uh when a person is alone in an enclosed space, even if it it might be in public, but if they're alone, they don't have to wear a mask. [3:53:44, 3:53:49]: If there are any uh religious uh objections, um certainly while eating and drinking. [3:53:50, 3:53:54]: Um and then there are there are a number of other of the normal types of um [3:53:54, 3:54:03]: exemptions including medical uh uh exemptions uh exemptions for children under ten that are not required to wear masks but are encouraged to [3:54:04, 3:54:19]: Um and then if you are generally outdoors and maintaining social distancing. So for instance, if it's a person who is uh in the park by themselves, not near anyone, then under this ordinance they would not be required to wear a mask. [3:54:19, 3:54:28]: Um and so those are the general exemptions. Um and there's a a s business specific exemption that uh that basically states that [3:54:29, 3:54:37]: A business can um uh opt out of the ordinance if they so note that in [3:54:37, 3:54:57]: uh clear legible writing on a sign in the front of the business that says that the business does not consent to any enforcement of the of the ordinance. And I've actually seen those in other cities where uh where they've adopted the ordinances similar to this. I've seen businesses actually have that sign um in the business. [3:54:57, 3:55:05]: Even though the majority of businesses are requiring masks or encouraging masks, some businesses are choosing to opt out. And so that's in this ordinary. [3:55:06, 3:55:13]: Um consistent with what the governor's executive orders provided and again what GMA is suggesting is a a model ordinance. [3:55:14, 3:55:24]: Um, what the ordinance does provide is that uh if a person is not wearing a mask in violation of the ordinance, that they're supposed to first be given a warning. [3:55:25, 3:55:40]: Um and then if after a warning if they persist then a a citation can be issued. The first uh penalty is a twenty-five dollar fine, and then any subsequent penalties to the same person would be a fifty dollar fine. Um [3:55:40, 3:55:42]: The uh [3:55:43, 3:55:47]: The uh there was one other item, um [3:55:50, 3:55:55]: Oh, and and the the last uh provision I wanna point out is [3:55:55, 3:55:56]: The uh [3:55:56, 3:56:06]: there would be no violations issued to businesses or or uh uh corporate entities under this. So all any violation would be personal. So if if a person [3:56:07, 3:56:13]: Whether they're in a business or somewhere else is not wearing a mask, that person decided and not the business. [3:56:13, 3:56:22]: And so that's what has been um proposed by GMA as a potential ordinance for any city that wish to explore this. [3:56:22, 3:56:42]: Um there there is not at least not from me. I and I can't speak for the rest of the staff, but um I'm presenting this to you sort of at at the request of members of council. I don't have a firm recommendation primarily because of the enforcement side of this. Um we only have two code enforcement officers and [3:56:42, 3:57:00]: and it it presents an issue in terms of of enforcement that's difficult for cities like Stockbridge that don't have a police force. Um and so but again if it that that's the will of the council, obviously we will follow whatever council's desire is on this matter. So [3:57:00, 3:57:03]: At at with that I will leave it up to any questions. [3:57:04, 3:57:24]: Well here's what uh I'll start this off. Here's what I what also this uh particular ordinance uh indicates, uh the sense of of uh and the the governor's uh order as well in reference to uh wearing masks, mandatory wearing masks on city facilities and buildings when we open up our buildings in this aspect as well. I will acknowledge if [3:57:24, 3:57:31]: If I understand right, that is part of that process uh to to have on this ordinance. I also acknowledge the fact that I think we have a very good [3:57:32, 3:57:37]: excellent type of uh public uh information comp campaign wear the mask and uh slow the spread. [3:57:38, 3:57:53]: with that and things that we're doing with our businesses, local businesses as well, and notifying them and encouraging them to have the decal in their stores and encouraging people when they come in to wear a mask itself, along with all the other type of social media type of things that we're doing. [3:57:53, 3:58:07]: billboards and and and particular signs of strategic locations as as well. Uh I have to admit though I think that the enforcement issue, since we don't have a police department, is awfully hard to do in reference to any type of violations and or [3:58:07, 3:58:12]: trying to cite someone and this is an ordinance which is uh like a law. So I would think you have to have some type of [3:58:12, 3:58:23]: of uh of a punishment in a sense or something if they don't abide by this. So um I think we've intended a resolution to highly encourage and I would hope that we'll continue to do that in this aspect as well. [3:58:24, 3:58:41]: Um and I think there's also once again code enforcement is not part of code enforcement's job to try to give out citations for something like this in this aspect. That's something the police force should do and we don't have that police force to do that. On that note, I'll I'll hear out other folks. Uh Mr. Alexander, go ahead, please. [3:58:41, 3:58:48]: Uh yes, uh let's uh we've been talking about a lot of subjects tonight. It's been quite interesting tonight. [3:58:48, 3:58:48]: [14329.0, 14337.0]: Let's just see if we can come to a middle ground. Mayor, I know what you think. We've had conversations. I've had several conversations with the council members. [3:58:57, 3:59:03]: Let's just kind of pare it down to what I think we kinda all agree on, which is willing. [3:59:04, 3:59:24]: We'll enforce it on all city buildings uh and properties and we'll leave it up to the businesses whether or not uh they want to enforce it. We we will allow them to do what they want to do. If they want to enforce it, they can enforce it, they can uh seek uh the police because they can [3:59:24, 3:59:44]: Do whatever they want on their particular properties. Our concern at this point, and I think that we could sit here and talk about this all night, but really it really comes down to what we can agree upon, and hopefully we can agree upon that we do want people coming into city buildings and city facilities, protecting our staff members. [3:59:44, 4:00:02]: and put the public at large in city buildings and city properties. And then we will leave it up to the businesses whether they want to opt in or opt out. Because if they opt in, then they would be doing the enforcement, contacting the police on their private property rights. [4:00:03, 4:00:05]: Mr. Blount, please go ahead. [4:00:06, 4:00:07]: Yeah, um [4:00:08, 4:00:17]: To my understanding, nothing has changed with uh governance of of of uh city properties or county properties. I think that we can still govern those. [4:00:17, 4:00:21]: The way we see fit. They haven't those that's not the jurisdiction that [4:00:21, 4:00:29]: that the the uh the area that the the the governor kent was talking about. Uh and am I correct in that, Mr. Knight, before I finish? [4:00:29, 4:00:42]: We're still able to govern the our city properties in s and city hall and and and and we've been able to say no m uh masks must be worn in there. We've already that was never taken away from. Is that correct, Mr. Williams? [4:00:43, 4:00:58]: Well, that was one of the things that we were preparing, um, at least when I say we I really mean GMA and and all the cities were preparing to litigate against the governor's order on because his initial take was that [4:00:58, 4:01:06]: He could prevent cities from im imposing a masked policy even in City Hall, which we we d you know strongly disagreed with. [4:01:07, 4:01:09]: Um but under um [4:01:09, 4:01:21]: But but really to your real question is that that the council and and the merit already established a mass policy for all city facilities and uh so that's still in effect. Um [4:01:22, 4:01:27]: Okay. That being said, for city facilities, we've already established that. [4:01:27, 4:01:28]: El [4:01:28, 4:01:31]: Let's be honest, what Governor Kemp did was nothing. [4:01:32, 4:01:52]: If you dissect that, it's really nothing. And when I go around to the businesses, when you look at places like Walmart, Kroger's and places that are saying you come in, you must wear a mask, they're putting signs up. They're putting the signs up. They're telling people uh to wear mask, even uh Home Depot. You come in, if you don't have a mask, they give me a mask. [4:01:52, 4:01:52]: Yeah. [4:01:52, 4:02:01]: So the business are businesses are buying in, but what what Governor Kemp has said, even if they don't buy in, there's nothing we can do. [4:02:01, 4:02:07]: And even if a person is standing in a business that's crowded and standing by themselves without a mask on. [4:02:07, 4:02:15]: There's nothing we could do. It's so many different stipulations and in in what Governor Kemp is saying, he may as well not say anything. [4:02:16, 4:02:21]: And so to implement this would only be political for me. [4:02:21, 4:02:25]: Because there's nothing we can do when it comes to the private sector. [4:02:26, 4:02:37]: If you dissect it right, only thing we can say is what we've already done is say with with uh with the government facilities, we say you must wear a mask. And I agree with the campaign that we have going. [4:02:38, 4:02:49]: uh promoting wearing masks and all that's all we can do because the governor has not done much with this bill. This is why GMA got involved, but that's nothing they've done because [4:02:50, 4:02:53]: Well you know why. There's nothing that's not [4:02:53, 4:02:56]: In that meeting potem Thomas, go ahead, please. [4:02:56, 4:03:10]: I I will agree with all of that. I I just think we probably need to um enhance that a little bit more or to remind citizens about um, you know, the the mandate for public facilities. [4:03:10, 4:03:16]: You know, I I'm concerned because you know, when I look at the state of Georgia and I had some notes here. [4:03:16, 4:03:18]: And we all know that the numbers are going up. [4:03:19, 4:03:22]: Uh, there are more patients hospitalized, we have more death. [4:03:23, 4:03:26]: Um Bagrange has um [4:03:26, 4:03:29]: Created a a mass policy Smyrna. [4:03:30, 4:03:31]: Uh Clayton County. [4:03:32, 4:03:33]: Um [4:03:33, 4:03:42]: So I think we all are are becoming alarmed a little bit more because of the numbers that we'll see that are being spiked up uh in the state of Georgia. [4:03:42, 4:03:52]: So my only recommendation would be, uh, Mr. Williams, is that we emphasize this a little more about public facilities, especially when we do open up. [4:03:52, 4:03:57]: Uh I see more and more citizen wearing match when I do go out and when I ride around. [4:03:58, 4:03:59]: Um, you know [4:03:59, 4:04:06]: Food Depot, Publix, Walmart. So I I think we're doing a great job. And I think even just [4:04:07, 4:04:13]: Just news media period, folks are taking on responsibility. Now you still have those that are not. [4:04:13, 4:04:32]: Um that's one of the reasons why I have an issue with the enforcement part of it. I would not be in favor of just a a citywide mandate because simply because of the enforcement and and the fine, but my recommendation, let's just highlight this a little bit more. Let's emphasize, you know, the public facilities. [4:04:33, 4:04:42]: All right. Uh Alessandra, please. Go ahead, please. Yeah, I I need everybody to understand, and hopefully Mr. Williams can clarify this in detail legally. [4:04:42, 4:04:45]: If a business opts in [4:04:45, 4:04:51]: They can stand behind this local ordinance and says the local ordinance allows me. [4:04:51, 4:05:11]: Okay, to enforce this policy. They don't have to just say this is the city, this is the stores policy. No, this is the local ordinance that we opted into. I can enforce it on my property with the weight of the local ordinance as well. Is that correct, sir? [4:05:13, 4:05:16]: It it's not entirely precise and so. [4:05:16, 4:05:17]: Um [4:05:17, 4:05:21]: If if what you mean by if they opt in then they're [4:05:21, 4:05:25]: inviting or or or allowing uh [4:05:25, 4:05:31]: code enforcement to come in and enforce it inside their business. No no sir. No sir. What I'm saying is [4:05:32, 4:05:39]: They they have language in this particular ordinance that we will pass and say there is a local ordinance. [4:05:39, 4:05:49]: that we are enforcing in this store. We're not just enforcing our policy, we're enforcing the low s local mass ordinance too, because we opted in. [4:05:50, 4:05:59]: So w the ordinance as it's currently drafted does not have that. It is it's currently drafted only a police officer or a code enforcement officer could issue a citation. [4:06:00, 4:06:03]: Um now businesses already have the right. [4:06:04, 4:06:17]: to refuse service to people who aren't wearing a mask for whatever reason, they can as long as it's not discriminatory under our you know various civil rights laws, they can refuse service anyway. And so [4:06:17, 4:06:26]: And you've seen businesses out there that have those absolute requirements that folks wear masks before coming in, particularly the smaller businesses. [4:06:26, 4:06:36]: So they they already have that right. Um now if if if you wanted to add on top of that, you know, that you know, their ability to call a police officer or code enforcement. [4:06:37, 4:06:39]: We could certainly do that, um, but [4:06:40, 4:06:43]: You know, that that's just, you know, in an added [4:06:43, 4:06:55]: feature that I'm not sure you would want us to have our code enforcement responding to businesses like that just because, you know, uh just limited resources more than anything else. [4:06:55, 4:07:15]: Well what I would wanna do is I would want the city, I would want the business to call the police. And I would want yes, I would, I would want some local ordinance that they could stand behind. They don't have to say that this is just Walmart policy. They can say this is the city policy. Just like they would do in Smyrna, just like they do in Clayton County and other places, they [4:07:15, 4:07:25]: They do have this some similar language to that that says we're standing, the local ordinance is pro is is standing behind us. It's not just a store policy anymore. [4:07:25, 4:07:34]: Well well at that point though, it's trespassing. So they have the general trespass law that that they can call the police already for for that kind of entity. [4:07:34, 4:07:35]: Yeah, incidents. [4:07:35, 4:07:43]: But again, you you could, you know, make that part of the ordinance. I'm not saying that you can't. I'm just saying that that's already provided for. [4:07:43, 4:07:45]: Yeah, I I'll I'll I'll [4:07:45, 4:08:05]: All these other cities have made steps forward and passed. They haven't passed it for nothing. Even if you put it forward, you're putting it out there to your citizens. We're standing, it's it's official. We have sanctioned the fact that we want people to wear masks. We're giving businesses, even the [4:08:05, 4:08:12]: lee way to say they want to be in, they want to be out, and the businesses that want to be in, we're standing behind them now. [4:08:13, 4:08:15]: Um uh Councilman Blount, go ahead, please. [4:08:16, 4:08:19]: Mayor, one of the things that I've learned in the city of Stockbridge. [4:08:20, 4:08:22]: In in in local municipalities is that [4:08:23, 4:08:27]: People don't look at rules and regulations. They know what they want to do. [4:08:27, 4:08:30]: And if you come against it, you come against it. [4:08:30, 4:08:31]: That being said, [4:08:32, 4:08:35]: Why we put a ordinance in place to conflict? [4:08:37, 4:08:43]: With so much to now people grabbing our code enforcement off officers, waving them in, are you gonna do anything about this? [4:08:43, 4:08:45]: Are you gonna do anything about this? [4:08:46, 4:08:50]: When the businesses are governing themselves, I I'm I'm out there every day. [4:08:50, 4:08:54]: And Councilman uh Mayor Pro Tem Thomas just said he's out there. The governor [4:08:55, 4:09:02]: Why why put an ordinance out that we know Henry County's not going to enforce, but the businesses themselves can get Henry County to enforce it? [4:09:03, 4:09:06]: The private properties can get Henry County enforced it. [4:09:06, 4:09:20]: But the city of Stockbridge cannot put out an ordinance and expect people to say it's an ordinance by the city. Now you need to enforce it in Henry County. That's not gonna happen. And so why do it? I agree with Count Pro Mayor Pro Tem. [4:09:20, 4:09:24]: Let's continue to to to promote even more. [4:09:25, 4:09:42]: Promote even more. I go out every day and I'm seeing people with masks on. I'm seeing businesses doing my barbershop. You can't even they have to come outside and get you. I my doll's vet. You can't even go in there. They have you make you have to call and they come out to your car. These businesses are doing it. [4:09:42, 4:09:50]: So why put an artist in place to convolute the situation and cause a conundrum because it cannot be enforced? [4:09:50, 4:09:57]: I say let's promote it, let's put it out there, let's make it happen that way. Right. Thank you. Ms. Barber, you had a uh comment. [4:09:59, 4:10:00]: Oh, yeah. [4:10:00, 4:10:20]: Yeah, I was gonna make a comment about the um banning smoking in cars that Councilman Blount um sponsored and we have no way of enforcing it. Point of order, Mayor. Point of order. You know, if you if you want to get ugly then then find another point of order, Mayor. This that has what we're talking about. Yeah. [4:10:20, 4:10:30]: You don't get to interrupt me and that's one for the scroll. [4:10:30, 4:10:32]: I got hold on a second. [4:10:33, 4:10:48]: Hold on. So let's let's if keep we we're talking about this particular ordinance dealing with the with the man a mandate for mass, okay? I think we need to stay on we need to stay on topic on that. Okay. [4:10:48, 4:11:08]: This ordinance is no different than uh any other ordinance that has been approved. Here point of order. We're talking about this ordinance. You don't get to interrupt. We're talking about this ordinance. You don't get to interrupt me. Point of order. Will y'all stop please for a second here? [4:11:08, 4:11:27]: Is this ordinance is no different than any other ordinance? Okay, okay. It gives businesses. It's not the businesses, the business will take charge of all this. We got that. Business will take charge of all this stuff. All right. So any other any other comment? [4:11:28, 4:11:34]: Mayor, the point of order is she cannot bring up other interrupt me when I'm talking. [4:11:34, 4:11:54]: You don't get interrupting. All right. Sir, don't interrupt interrupt me when I'm talking. Hold on, folks. You're not writing anything here. Let me be real clear. See, we're holding hold. I'm done, Mayor. You can continue. Yeah. Because I know it's a long [4:11:54, 4:11:59]: It's been a long night. It's been a long night. It's after ten PM. [4:12:00, 4:12:06]: Okay, stop. Stop now this stuff this stuff. This is ridiculous. This is getting ridiculous here. [4:12:06, 4:12:12]: Ale Mr. Alexander, you have something pertinent to say, please. Yeah, thank uh uh I'm gonna go ahead and make a motion. [4:12:12, 4:12:16]: All right to make your motion the uh ordinance for the city. [4:12:16, 4:12:19]: Covering city buildings and allowing [4:12:19, 4:12:25]: uh us uh local businesses to opt in or to opt out. [4:12:25, 4:12:27]: Of these particular ordinance. [4:12:28, 4:12:34]: Just like Smyrna, just like Clayton, just like all the other cities all over Georgia have done. [4:12:35, 4:12:55]: You know what, it it is just it it is uh if if nobody sees if nobody gets a citation, it's still worth the effort of at least having it out there. So I'm I'm I'm for it because it it adds on to what we've been trying to do and it allows each business to continue [4:12:55, 4:13:07]: to decide now the city is embracing the ones that do and don't and we're standing behind them. So yes, I make that motion. So I have a second. [4:13:08, 4:13:15]: Ms. Barber just seconded that motion. Mr. Blount, you had a comment, sir. You got anything else you need to say? My comment is and I'll still stand beside it. [4:13:16, 4:13:25]: To have an ordinance is only gonna convolute this situation a lot more, put more on the citizens, and it's gonna the businesses are already doing what they're supposed to do. [4:13:26, 4:13:46]: All right. Uh now uh Councilman Alexander, in reference to this motion, you did not and and uh I'm assuming you did this on purpose, you didn't talk about anything about uh punishment or warnings or or uh payment because we it's hard for it we difficult for us to to enforce it. I'm assuming you're we're not going to enforce it. We're going to allow the businesses [4:13:46, 4:14:02]: to continue to enforce it, but when they come in contact with a citizen, they simply say there is local legislation backing this up. It's just not a city policy. It's not just not a store policy. We're backing them up. [4:14:03, 4:14:05]: Mr Mayor Pro Tem Thomas, please. [4:14:05, 4:14:09]: Well uh Mr. Alexander knows that I've had this discussion with him. [4:14:10, 4:14:14]: Um before this meeting because I want to get a better understanding. [4:14:14, 4:14:20]: And and I explained to him that I do have an issue with the code enforcement part of this. [4:14:21, 4:14:24]: I I I'm still not understanding his point because [4:14:25, 4:14:28]: Businesses have this authority now. [4:14:29, 4:14:38]: to to mandate whatever they want to mandate. So I don't see how the city of Stockbridge creating a a a public mandate [4:14:38, 4:14:44]: changes anything. Uh, you know, and this is, you know, again, Mr. Alexander, you know, you and I talked about this. [4:14:44, 4:14:45]: Um [4:14:45, 4:14:50]: I'm more in favor of city facilities, you know, mandating that. [4:14:50, 4:14:54]: Uh, but I just have an issue with the enforcement part'cause I've seen [4:14:55, 4:14:55]: What happened? [4:14:56, 4:14:58]: Uh just earlier today. [4:14:58, 4:15:02]: I saw a woman being dragged out of a store. [4:15:02, 4:15:05]: uh by other folk because she didn't have a mask on. [4:15:06, 4:15:13]: And I just think that we're getting ready to open up a Pandora box if we try to put this citywide and even to attempt. [4:15:14, 4:15:17]: to have our code enforcement officers out there trying to manage [4:15:17, 4:15:29]: Well that's what I'm concerned about. Mayor Hold stand by hold hold on a second. Vanessa, Miss Holliday. I I just want to clarify the motion that I've written is [4:15:29, 4:15:38]: For this to include city facilities and to allow city businesses to opt in or opt out. Is that the motion? [4:15:38, 4:15:52]: Yes, that is the motion right there. And and subsequent to that, I just want to c clarify with Councilman Thomas. I don't want the c the code enforcement is not gonna be enforcing it. The police are when the business calls them. [4:15:53, 4:16:00]: And when the business calls them, we're gonna have a local ordinance on the book that says this business has opted in. [4:16:01, 4:16:15]: But to requiring mass. It's not just'cause right now, oh, this is uh Food Depot's policy. This is uh Walmart's policy. Well, it's Walmart's policy, but we have a city ordinance that states that we can do this. [4:16:15, 4:16:24]: Oh, let me mayor forward. Oh, right ahead, sir. Let me ask Mr. Williams, uh, why these businesses can't do that now, uh, Mr. Williams. [4:16:25, 4:16:25]: Yeah. [4:16:28, 4:16:28]: They can. [4:16:29, 4:16:37]: Well let's see that that's that's what I thought. See, that's what I that's what I'm I'm I'm missing, uh Mr. Alexander. These businesses can do that now. [4:16:38, 4:16:49]: But they cannot say there's a local ordinance that stands behind me right now. They can only say it's a store policy. But it's not needed to be said. [4:16:49, 4:17:09]: It certainly is because if you're a cashier in there, you telling them it's the store policy and everybody they're gonna argue the store policy. If it's the s if it's the city ordinance, they're not gonna order this order the city ordinance. This is what the law is. They go they gonna argue that too. All right. Ms. Gantt, hold on a second. Ms. Gantt go ahead, please. Yes. Yes. [4:17:09, 4:17:10]: Um mayor [4:17:10, 4:17:13]: And just so the citizens know and everyone know. [4:17:13, 4:17:17]: The mayor council had already decided to advocate for wearing a mask. [4:17:17, 4:17:19]: Um we have [4:17:19, 4:17:39]: little commercials. We also have a decal and I want to know the status of that that each business has saying that they stop they support Stockbridge and wear a mask before entry. Those decals are to be sent out to every single business in the city of Stockbridge. Um from my understanding they have been ordered. I don't know where we are [4:17:39, 4:17:43]: with that. [4:17:44, 4:17:53]: Okay, they've been ordered, they've been received. Those businesses that support the our efforts in asking people to wear a mask has taken place. [4:17:53, 4:17:58]: And we have spent money on that advocating for everyone to wear a mask. [4:18:00, 4:18:06]: And that's what that's all I wanted to say. I mean, um, you know, Mayor Pro Tem made a a very valid point. [4:18:07, 4:18:10]: Um and I just, you know [4:18:10, 4:18:12]: I think we need to be reasonable about this. [4:18:12, 4:18:24]: And not just say we have, you know, one on the books when we really aren't making any additional waves. We're already asking them to wear a mask and we've s we sent out [4:18:24, 4:18:30]: Each we send out door decals to each business asking them to post, wear a mask before entry. [4:18:30, 4:18:30]: Right. [4:18:31, 4:18:33]: Councilman Blount, go ahead, please. [4:18:33, 4:18:36]: You know, and I agree with uh you know, I agree that [4:18:37, 4:18:57]: No citizen, no business, no private entity gonna ever call the police and they say we're gonna enforce it because it's an ordinary. They're gonna enforce it because that business has said they have a violation of their policy. If they implement no mask in there, you can't come in there. I've seen it across. I've seen it, I've I've I've seen [4:18:57, 4:18:57]: Saying this. [4:18:58, 4:19:03]: If they say mask must be worn worn, now they can still [4:19:04, 4:19:18]: Now with what Kemp has done, the private entity can call the officers and police now and have something done off of what he said. But for us cities, we can't we can't go in these business enforcements. So to say our ordinance is only gonna come, I say it again. [4:19:19, 4:19:31]: is only going to come with the situation because citizens are not going to look at what's procedural pertaining to this. They're going to say, let's get code inform. They're going to the phone calls will come to the city of Stockbridge. [4:19:31, 4:19:38]: before they go nine one one because if we put ordinance in place, they're gonna want us to enforce it instead of the police. [4:19:39, 4:19:54]: All right, Ms. Azzan, the last time we gotta end this. Yeah, thank you, sir, Mayor, for being so so patient with me. See, I look at what seventy-five or eighty cities all over Georgia that have sent out the same message that I guess it does nothing. They just decide to do it. No. [4:19:55, 4:20:05]: They understand the importance, okay? Before it was illegal, the governor was challenges, there were legal challenges. There's no legal challenges. The pathway has been laid. [4:20:06, 4:20:11]: The state cap from the dome they told us this is what you can do. [4:20:11, 4:20:12]: Right. [4:20:12, 4:20:32]: Before we had the you know, Savannah and other places. If it was up to me, I would mandate a mask in every place in this in the city. Okay? But I know the votes are not there for that. But it there has to be a middle ground somewhere, okay, to be able to say to folk, listen, 75 other cities all over the [4:20:32, 4:20:52]: State just decided to do this for nothing. They just voted it for all these other cities, just decided to do it for nothing. No, they decided to do it for nothing. They le the governor legalized the ability for cities all over Georgia to do it. And all of these cities all over Georgia are doing so. They sending out a clear message to their citizens. [4:20:52, 4:21:11]: You know what? Stockbridge has a thousand plus positive COVID cases. The deaths are increasing all over. And if you say that people are wearing a mask when you're out there, you're just not getting out much. I'm not seeing people wearing masks all over the place. I'm seeing people go out. [4:21:12, 4:21:32]: uh all over the place without a mask and I'm having to remove myself from these particular environments. So yes, I want to do everything possible in my power to encourage air business. If they can see me pass an ordinance that says, look, we're gonna stand with you if you decide to go out there on a limb like Walmart [4:21:32, 4:21:52]: Has done, like Target has done. We have not backed up these businesses in any way. We said, okay, y'all do y'all thing. We not here. We the local representative. We can actually do something that the governor has allowed us to do as a legal entity, and we're not. [4:21:51, 4:22:11]: Not gonna do it. We're just gonna leave you out there by yourself and say, encourage, encourage, encourage. Okay? But the governor has allowed us a legal path for the city to legally do something, whether we enforce it or not. They're allowing us to do it. [4:22:11, 4:22:21]: Committees in Georgia have done so, I believe, at last count, but not us. But the vote is on us. Mr. Mr. Blount, for last time, please. Go ahead. [4:22:21, 4:22:29]: If there's 75 cities doing it, you probably can't name one that don't have the way one city that's doing it that don't have their own police department. [4:22:31, 4:22:33]: All right. [4:22:33, 4:22:41]: Okay, so uh anyway. I'm ready for the vote. All right. Yeah, I was gonna say this so so a motion has been made and it's been seconded. So all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [4:22:42, 4:22:43]: All in favor. [4:22:44, 4:22:45]: All post. [4:22:47, 4:22:48]: I'll pose them as [4:22:48, 4:22:58]: Okay, so I got three uh one one one f well if if the motion fails, actually. One is Barber's not going to be included in that vote. She's not present. [4:22:58, 4:22:59]: Okay. [4:23:00, 4:23:01]: All right, so [4:23:01, 4:23:05]: Uh y you you come back and raise your hand, what does that mean? [4:23:07, 4:23:12]: It's it that's a it still fails. You right in favor, Miss Ms. Barber. [4:23:13, 4:23:16]: You in favor you in favor of the motion, Miss Barber, or against? [4:23:18, 4:23:21]: Yes. Yes, yes what? I asked two things. In favor. [4:23:23, 4:23:37]: You're in favor of the motion. Okay, so it's it fails. It fails three to uh two to three. All right. Now, on that note, uh, and we're gonna enforce we're we're already we're gonna enforce what uh on public uh in our public facilities anyway. [4:23:37, 4:23:37]: Correct? [4:23:38, 4:23:43]: All right. So that uh ends that. I'll go now to my comments. Now talking about um [4:23:43, 4:23:48]: uh public health department talking about wearing masks. The three Ws, wear the mask, wash your hands. [4:23:48, 4:23:51]: And keep your distance at least six feet apart. Public health department. [4:23:51, 4:23:54]: Once again, free covet nineteen test. [4:23:54, 4:23:59]: The test is free every day at at the at uh Heritage Senior Center. [4:23:59, 4:24:02]: It's ten fifty Florence uh McGarrity Parkway. [4:24:03, 4:24:12]: Now it's free of charge. Eight hundred, eight four seven, four two two two two two two two two two two six two. You have to call and set an appointment before you go. Eight hundred eight four seven four two six two. [4:24:13, 4:24:13]: No. [4:24:13, 4:24:26]: Testing has been down. So folks get out there and get tested. So it's free of charge. Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, 8 a.m. to 1 p.m. I'll say again. Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, 8 a.m. to 1 p.m. [4:24:26, 4:24:27]: Tuesday. [4:24:27, 4:24:32]: 8 a.m. to 1 p.m. and 2 p.m. to 7 p.m. Once again, Tuesday. [4:24:33, 4:24:36]: eight AM to one PM and two PM to seven PM. [4:24:36, 4:24:40]: Saturday, this coming Saturday, August 29th. [4:24:40, 4:24:41]: Nine AM to noon. [4:24:42, 4:24:46]: And the Saturday, uh September fifth, also nine AM to noon. [4:24:46, 4:24:52]: That's already been on our website,'cause I saw it on a Sober's website and and and Facebook page indicating all that. [4:24:52, 4:24:57]: In reference to the upcoming election, which is three November, absentee ballots began mailing. [4:24:57, 4:24:59]: Fifteen September. [4:25:00, 4:25:03]: First day to rest in a vote. If you are not rest to the vote, go rest in the vote. [4:25:04, 4:25:11]: First day of the rest of the vote, excuse me, last day of the rest of the vote is uh five October for the November third election, presidential election. [4:25:11, 4:25:14]: Early voting begins twelve October. [4:25:15, 4:25:17]: Saturday early voting is twenty four October. [4:25:18, 4:25:26]: And the last day of early voting is three uh thirty October. And of course the elections on three November, Tuesday, three November. [4:25:28, 4:25:31]: The census folks, the census extremely important. [4:25:31, 4:25:35]: You need to get you need to make sure that you fill out the senses. [4:25:35, 4:25:44]: All right. So the self response to phase uh a phase to move uh has been moved up on the on the census for th to thirty September, right around the corner. [4:25:45, 4:25:47]: So you have to go to tw twenty twenty census dot gov. [4:25:48, 4:25:55]: All right. If you haven't done so, do that. The sense is extremely important because it's roughly estimated about$2,300 per individual. [4:25:56, 4:26:01]: That your communities, community star bridges, can get for you, putting in your census. That helps us with federal funds. [4:26:02, 4:26:14]: Public resources, roads, housing services, fire department, public safety, hospitals, schools. And what's also more important about that, you get an accurate representation in Congress. [4:26:14, 4:26:19]: and state legislators. All right. You have to go get the census done. Please do so. [4:26:20, 4:26:20]: All right. [4:26:20, 4:26:22]: Now uh [4:26:22, 4:26:23]: Labor Day is right around the corner. [4:26:24, 4:26:28]: Please have a happy holiday. Labor Day is Monday, the seventh of September. [4:26:28, 4:26:32]: On that note, well, wait a minute. I gotta read these uh meetings coming up. That's right. [4:26:34, 4:26:36]: Planning commission meeting is Thursday, August twenty seventh. [4:26:36, 4:26:38]: September the twenty fourth. [4:26:39, 4:26:41]: Excuse me? That one's been cancelled. [4:26:41, 4:26:44]: Or that would be count the planning committee be cancelled? [4:26:45, 4:26:53]: Yeah, the agenda had already posted, but it's since been canceled. Okay. All right. Main Street Advisory Board meeting I have here Friday, September eleventh. [4:26:54, 4:26:56]: At nine a.m. by the way Zoom. [4:26:57, 4:27:01]: Our next city council meeting is Monday, September fourteenth, six PM by way of Zoom. [4:27:02, 4:27:04]: City Council budget retreat. [4:27:05, 4:27:06]: Tuesday, September fifteenth. [4:27:07, 4:27:09]: Thursday, September seventeenth. [4:27:09, 4:27:11]: And Friday, September eighteenth. [4:27:11, 4:27:14]: Nine AM to one PM each one of those days by way of Zoom. [4:27:15, 4:27:18]: Downtown November Authority meetings Tuesday, September fifteenth. [4:27:18, 4:27:19]: Six PM. [4:27:21, 4:27:24]: Youth council advisory meeting is Tuesday, September fifth fifteenth. [4:27:25, 4:27:26]: I just said that, didn't I? [4:27:26, 4:27:28]: Um it's too been a long meeting. [4:27:28, 4:27:31]: September fifteenth is six thirty PM on Zoom. [4:27:31, 4:27:38]: On that note I need a motion to adjourn this meeting. Sir, sir, sir. I move. So move. [4:27:38, 4:27:55]: Uh uh you missed my meeting. Oh you're ca it's not on this list, I'm sorry. Your council will stop September first. Right. Right. Okay. I got it. Go ahead. You already did that. Okay. Thank you. Wasn't it written on here. Thank you. I forgot about that. Anyway, I mean [4:27:55, 4:27:57]: So move, I got a motion to uh [4:27:57, 4:27:59]: So moved, I need a second to adjourn the meeting. [4:28:00, 4:28:02]: Is there a second to adjourn to meet? [4:28:02, 4:28:03]: Okay. [4:28:03, 4:28:06]: Okay, there we go. Maripo Tim Thomas, all in favor of adjourning the meeting. [4:28:07, 4:28:07]: Say hi. [4:28:08, 4:28:09]: Raise your hand. Hi. [4:28:09, 4:28:12]: Good night. God bless you all.

--- title: August 10 2020 City Council Meeting date: 2020-08-10 source: 2020-08-10_August_10_2020_City_Council_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:36, 0:00:37]: All right, well good evening, everybody. [0:00:43, 0:00:45]: Good evening, sir. [0:00:45, 0:00:46]: Good evening. [0:00:46, 0:00:52]: All right, so I'm not uh so otherwise we had some technical difficulties here, I guess, and for everybody, I suppose. [0:00:53, 0:00:54]: Okay. [0:00:56, 0:00:57]: Alrighty. [0:00:58, 0:01:03]: So I got uh C Elton's there, John's there, Mr. Aaron. [0:01:06, 0:01:07]: This Miller. [0:01:09, 0:01:10]: That's it, seems like. [0:01:11, 0:01:23]: I'm here. Mayor. Yeah, I got you. Fonzo. I'm sorry, Fonzo. Excuse me, sir. I've got you. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm not no problem. Sorry about that. Okay. Well I'm I'm gonna go to mute, but I'm here. Okay, got it. Good deal. Thank you. [0:01:24, 0:01:27]: Uh uh Mike Williams [0:01:29, 0:01:33]: Kate got Mike there, all right. Uh [0:02:09, 0:02:11]: Oh well. [0:02:13, 0:02:13]: So [0:02:50, 0:02:52]: And Mr. Williams. [0:02:53, 0:02:56]: I have a quorum, but we don't have the clerk or the city manager. [0:02:57, 0:02:58]: So we can't get started. [0:02:58, 0:02:59]: Yes, sir. [0:03:00, 0:03:01]: All right. [0:03:03, 0:03:10]: All right, no problem. We'll wait till we get to clerk and city manager before we go anywhere. And hopefully all the rest of the council can join us as well. [0:03:11, 0:03:12]: Okay. [0:04:16, 0:04:17]: Good evening, everybody. [0:04:19, 0:04:20]: Evening to you. [0:04:21, 0:04:22]: Good evening. [0:04:24, 0:04:26]: Alrighty. [0:05:43, 0:05:45]: Good evening, Mr. Knighton. [0:05:47, 0:05:49]: Hello, Mayor Forbes. Trying to get everybody in here. [0:05:49, 0:05:50]: Okay. [0:06:11, 0:06:14]: I'm sorry I stepped away for a minute. What what's going [0:06:18, 0:06:23]: I see IT apparently has rectified the issue at the moment, but we're trying to make sure everybody can get in here. [0:06:24, 0:06:25]: Vanessa's here. [0:06:49, 0:06:55]: I'll give it a couple more minutes. We actually have a quorum, but I'll give it two more minutes and see if we can get uh councilwoman Gannon and then we'll go. [0:06:57, 0:07:01]: Yeah, she should be and just spoke to her. She should be joining us in just a second. [0:07:07, 0:07:07]: I want [0:07:11, 0:07:14]: Yeah, I'll remember that the next time I'm late, okay. [0:07:14, 0:07:15]: Yeah. [0:07:17, 0:07:18]: No problem. [0:07:18, 0:07:19]: We got it. [0:07:20, 0:07:22]: Remember that one. [0:07:51, 0:07:55]: All right, uh I see Ms. Gantt's in. All right, so. [0:07:55, 0:08:00]: We now have a quorum and clerk. Madam Clerk, I have six fourteen. [0:08:00, 0:08:07]: So I'm gonna call the uh meeting to order. We have a quorum, we have the clerk and the city manager as well, and our attorney. [0:08:07, 0:08:08]: Okay. [0:08:09, 0:08:13]: So uh I call the meeting once again at 614 and an invocation, I'll give it tonight. [0:08:13, 0:08:33]: Thanks. My guest, please. Lord, thank you for bringing us together once again as we do the business of our city. Allow us to make good logical decisions for our citizens that elected us to office. Be us always as we make the decisions for the betterment of our community, and we continue to look out for our stakeholders as well, as we continue to do the logical things. [0:08:33, 0:08:44]: thing for our citizens and the fact that uh we're gonna make the city even greater than it is today. You know it's always Lord can constantly guide us and control us and help us do the best we can. [0:08:44, 0:08:45]: Your name. Amen. [0:08:45, 0:08:50]: All right. Um Pledge of Allegiance. Please stand for Pledge of Allegiance, please. [0:08:53, 0:09:00]: On three, I pledge allegiance to the United States of America. [0:09:00, 0:09:04]: And two public. Oh, which is that? [0:09:04, 0:09:05]: Plantation. [0:09:05, 0:09:10]: Under God indivisible indivisible liberty and just the score. [0:09:12, 0:09:14]: All right. [0:09:15, 0:09:16]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:09:17, 0:09:18]: Mayor Ford. [0:09:19, 0:09:19]: Present. [0:09:20, 0:09:22]: Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. [0:09:26, 0:09:28]: Oh, okay. You're you're muted. [0:09:29, 0:09:29]: Right. [0:09:29, 0:09:30]: Present. [0:09:33, 0:09:35]: Councilman Alexander. [0:09:36, 0:09:37]: How's it? [0:09:37, 0:09:39]: Councilwoman Barber. [0:09:39, 0:09:40]: Isn't [0:09:44, 0:09:44]: Present. [0:09:47, 0:09:48]: Councilman Blount. [0:09:50, 0:09:51]: President. [0:09:51, 0:09:53]: And Councilwoman Gantt. [0:09:53, 0:09:54]: Present. [0:09:54, 0:10:00]: Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:10:03, 0:10:11]: I need a motion to adopt it. Okay, so move. Gantt uh second. Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [0:10:12, 0:10:32]: All right, synonymous. All right, uh what you have before you are the approval of the minutes for the following meetings. Uh council meeting, which was June eighth of twenty twenty, the council work session June twenty-third of twenty twenty, and then we had a special call meeting on June 29th of 2020. Hopefully you look through those minutes and everything's appropriate. That's the case in the [0:10:32, 0:10:34]: The emotion accept all those minutes, please. [0:10:36, 0:10:41]: A motion accept two minutes, please. Okay, bar I got Barber, second. [0:10:43, 0:10:48]: I need a second. Second. Second. Councilman Blount. Second. Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [0:10:49, 0:10:50]: Okay. [0:10:50, 0:10:52]: All right, thank you very much. [0:10:52, 0:10:58]: Uh Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments? There are no public comments. Okay, so we'll go right into a new business. [0:10:59, 0:11:16]: Council consideration to approve Carter and Sloop Task Order Number 21 for utility relocation of the G DOC Project PI number three two two two zero five zero, service route one thirty eight, service route forty-two, an amount of seventy-three thousand nine hundred dollars. Funding sources water and sewer funding. [0:11:17, 0:11:18]: Mr. Aaron, please. [0:11:18, 0:11:19]: Yes, Mr Mayor. [0:11:20, 0:11:31]: Can you hear me? Yeah, gotcha, sir. You good? Yes. U uh GDOT has a uh intersection improvement project at uh Highway 138 and Highway 42 and also. [0:11:31, 0:11:38]: Locations on highway forty two, we've got some water lines in conflict with the project, so we're gonna have to move those borderlines. [0:11:41, 0:11:47]: Okay, that's it in your presentation. Yeah, so this is for the design of the relocation project. [0:11:47, 0:11:50]: Okay. Thank you very much. Any questions, Council, for Mr. Aaron? [0:11:51, 0:12:04]: Yes. Go right in confident Allen. Uh actually for the city manager and Mr. Aaron, uh this is an integral part of the widening project from Highway 42 for G Dot going to 675. Is that correct? [0:12:08, 0:12:11]: Yes, that's my understanding. That is correct. It's a part of that overall project. [0:12:12, 0:12:17]: Right. Okay. Thank you. And and it is, yes, that is a critical component of it. [0:12:18, 0:12:24]: Right. I mean, I don't think the public is much aware of the fact that uh the highway forty two is going to be widened. [0:12:24, 0:12:31]: From uh Walmart there at uh highway one hundred-eight, all the way to I six seventy five. We hear citizens. [0:12:31, 0:12:39]: Uh complain about traffic, and some of the times it's because they're not understanding what's going to move forward. But this is a project that's already approved. [0:12:40, 0:12:49]: And we should have four lanes going from my six seventy-five from uh Walmart all the way to six seventy five with a medium sidewalk pass. So that's a great project. [0:12:49, 0:12:54]: I would like to go ahead and make a motion for approval on this particular uh item. [0:12:54, 0:12:59]: Okay, sure. Is there a second? Councilman Barber, second that. Any further discussion? [0:13:00, 0:13:02]: Seeing none, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:13:04, 0:13:06]: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Jeanelles. [0:13:06, 0:13:17]: Council consideration to approve invitation to bid ITB number 18 ITB 050418D RR Janitorial Services. [0:13:18, 0:13:32]: Overall estimated cost of the amount of$97,176.32. General cleaning is$79,312.32 plus$17,864 for the COVID sanitation. [0:13:32, 0:13:40]: Funding source government building and execu uh ex executive, excuse me, general budgets presented by Miss Miller and Mr. Please. [0:13:41, 0:14:01]: Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. City staff again is requesting that City Council extend the existing contract with Internet Intercontinental Commercial Services for one year. The annual amount as stated is$97,176.32. The extension of this agreement will allow for staff the ability to perform an [0:14:01, 0:14:16]: extensive review and re research in order to develop a new scope of services necessary to provide sanitation requirements conducive to CDC required guidelines. And then in that would allow us to then put out a new uh solicitation. [0:14:16, 0:14:18]: And um [0:14:18, 0:14:25]: and and and actually um um provide additional sanitation in in the in a new contract. [0:14:26, 0:14:26]: Okay, thank you. [0:14:27, 0:14:29]: Uh Mr. Aaron, do we have anything to add at all? [0:14:30, 0:14:31]: No, sir. [0:14:31, 0:14:34]: Okay, thank you. And questions, Council, for uh Miss Miller. [0:14:35, 0:14:37]: Uh Miss Barber, go right in, please. [0:14:37, 0:14:38]: Yes. Um [0:14:38, 0:14:39]: So [0:14:40, 0:14:41]: Couple of things. [0:14:43, 0:14:45]: Was this the only responder? [0:14:46, 0:14:53]: Okay, so um in the in the on the top of the agenda, I put a background there. This has a very lengthy background. [0:14:54, 0:15:00]: Um it started in 2015. There was a bid that did was solicited in 2015. [0:15:00, 0:15:20]: Intercontinental was awarded the bid. However, in 2017, the contract with Intercontinental was terminated, and then staff decided to go with another vendor, Albright Janitorial Services. Staff then was not satisfied with Albright Janitorial Services, so they went back to [0:15:20, 0:15:28]: Intercontinental services. So as it stands right now, we don't have a valid contract. However, [0:15:29, 0:15:49]: Um, ICS has been performing and providing janitorial services for the past three years. What I'm asking is for council to allow us to continue using them, but ask our direct staff to go and do research, provide a scope of services that would include CDC guidelines so that we can bid. [0:15:49, 0:15:55]: out a another contract and so then we would have an an actual agreement in place. [0:15:57, 0:16:03]: Okay, so this is essentially month to month is what they're pretty much, yes. [0:16:04, 0:16:04]: Oh [0:16:05, 0:16:15]: So you haven't sent out a recent bid for the janitorial service? No, we currently have ICS and because we don't have a contract in place. [0:16:15, 0:16:21]: We're asking council to allow us to spend this amount of money while we prepare a new bid. [0:16:21, 0:16:24]: And an advertise the solicitation. [0:16:25, 0:16:28]: Okay, well I'm I'm not in agreement with [0:16:28, 0:16:29]: Um [0:16:30, 0:16:34]: continuing with the same contract, that would be for another year. [0:16:34, 0:16:40]: Correct. Well it would allow to um um I don't know how long dashes um would need, but [0:16:40, 0:16:47]: Within this pandemic, they have to do the research and develop a scope of services that we can put on the streets and advertise. [0:16:50, 0:16:55]: We was asking for a year so it would give us time to actually develop a scope of work. [0:16:55, 0:17:00]: but still allow us to be able to pay ICS for the work that they're currently performing. [0:17:01, 0:17:05]: Because the the extension that they were granted has expired. [0:17:06, 0:17:11]: The I would not expect it to take obviously a year for us to develop a scope. [0:17:11, 0:17:26]: I think that's the question you're getting at, Councilwoman Barber. This would be it would allow us up to a year. I certainly don't think it's paid it to take a year, but it would give us um uh the several months that we need to go ahead and develop the scope and then to um put out a bid. [0:17:27, 0:17:29]: So can we agree to just [0:17:29, 0:17:37]: If we're able to extend this for about sixty days, that should give us enough time to put together a scope of work. [0:17:39, 0:17:40]: Right on track. [0:17:42, 0:17:46]: Dash is how much time do you think you need to develop a scope with C D C re guidelines? [0:17:46, 0:17:55]: I don't think sixty days would be enough time because if we extend it for sixty days and we don't meet that deadline, then we're we're without a a cleaning service. [0:17:55, 0:18:00]: We're not saying it's gonna take a year, but I think we just need adequate time to make sure we have a [0:18:01, 0:18:16]: a viable scope of services with what's going on with this pandemic to make sure that we're getting the services that we need before staff and everybody gets back into the buildings. Okay, so I have a a few concerns. Janitorial Services is a basic [0:18:16, 0:18:17]: Service. [0:18:17, 0:18:21]: So we should be able to um get more. [0:18:22, 0:18:32]: suppliers who are interested in bidding on this. If we've been able to extend this contract, um I know we've been doing it extension annually. [0:18:33, 0:18:37]: I just wanna see us extend this for another sixty or maybe ninety days. [0:18:37, 0:18:41]: That way it gives you time to put together a new scope of work. [0:18:42, 0:18:50]: But I don't want us to continue using who we've been accustomed to using. And I don't know what their performance has been like. [0:18:50, 0:18:53]: Has there been any complaints? Have they been good? [0:18:55, 0:19:15]: I I mean I could give you my my thoughts on that. I think they have uh been more than adequate. I think they have been good and provided the services that we uh have needed uh during this period. Um if if it's a matter of and I understand the concern that you raise, if it is a matter of something that the council wants to consider for, say, 90 days, and if for some reason [0:19:15, 0:19:25]: For some reason that can't be met for uh legitimate reasons, obviously we would inform you, but if if that would be something that the council would consider 90 days. [0:19:25, 0:19:30]: and uh uh to be able to uh formulate the scope and then put it uh forward. [0:19:31, 0:19:31]: Okay. [0:19:32, 0:19:32]: I'm okay with that. [0:19:33, 0:19:34]: Ms. Gantt, go ahead, please. [0:19:35, 0:19:36]: Ms. Gantt go ahead, please. [0:19:38, 0:19:46]: Um thank you. I'm I'm concerned about rushing the staff within the ninety day time frame. And I say that [0:19:47, 0:19:48]: Because [0:19:49, 0:19:49]: Um [0:19:50, 0:20:10]: I'm not against. I agree with Councilwoman Barber. We should go ahead and try to get this done if we're gonna put a bid out. I haven't heard any complaints from staff or miss our city manager hasn't stated that there has been an issue with our janitor services. I do know that the importance of constantly getting bids every [0:20:09, 0:20:16]: every now and then, every so many years, just to stay on our toes to make sure we're getting the best bang for our buck. [0:20:16, 0:20:21]: But I also am wondering, and I guess this might be to legal. [0:20:22, 0:20:25]: Whether or not we do a contract agreement. [0:20:26, 0:20:26]: Um [0:20:27, 0:20:39]: now that we're doing month by month and we stay up to a year, is that possible to put that language in there and the, you know, and and let them know that we're putting it out for bid, they can come back and bid again. [0:20:40, 0:20:42]: But just stay up to I don't want them. [0:20:43, 0:20:48]: I don't want a contract. I I agree. I I mean we don't have to have it for the entire year. [0:20:49, 0:20:51]: You know, the bitch should come out, but [0:20:52, 0:20:53]: If it says up to a year. [0:20:54, 0:20:57]: With the under with that language in the contract agreement. [0:20:58, 0:21:00]: Um, which means that we're doing a month by month [0:21:01, 0:21:02]: Service right now. [0:21:03, 0:21:11]: So um all of our contracts like this where it's a fairly basic service that um with multiple potential vi bidders. [0:21:11, 0:21:13]: Have a uh thirty day [0:21:14, 0:21:17]: clause where we can terminate for any reason on thirty day notice. [0:21:18, 0:21:27]: So you could do that. The the the main advantage of doing a year um or up to a year is it locks in that price for that period of time. [0:21:28, 0:21:29]: Say no more. [0:21:30, 0:21:35]: Then if that's the case, if we're locking in a price and it we're going month by month right now. [0:21:35, 0:21:39]: And that could change, then I I am in favor of of doing it up to a year. [0:21:41, 0:21:43]: Yeah. Yes, sir. Go right here, Mayor Pro Tem. [0:21:44, 0:21:47]: Uh I'd like to ask Mr. Aaron and uh Mrs. Miller. [0:21:48, 0:21:58]: Uh what review process is in place to evaluate uh the service of this janitorial? And it just seems that [0:21:59, 0:22:10]: um that something need to be in place where we can actually evaluate uh the quality of that service. I have another question, but uh let me get let me get a response to that. [0:22:10, 0:22:16]: Um, what I can tell you is that during our renewal process, whenever we send out a renewal notice to both the user [0:22:17, 0:22:37]: Um and the vendors. Before we send a renewal notice out to our vendors, we send a form out to the department heads and we ask them to evaluate them best on certain criteria. They actually have to sign off whether the vendor has been timely, has been performing based on scope of services, um, is over. [0:22:37, 0:22:52]: over costs and based on that renewal form and it when it once it's signed off, we then um proceed with the renewal. What I can tell you with this is that this um it the contract predates me, but this is something that we're actually trying to straighten out. [0:22:53, 0:23:01]: So we've we've had this contract and we just need to make sure that the scope of services conduces to what what's going on now in the um economy. [0:23:02, 0:23:05]: Well w what would it be pertinent to have something [0:23:06, 0:23:09]: uh on a monthly or a um [0:23:10, 0:23:12]: quarterly basis where [0:23:12, 0:23:15]: Uh staff can um [0:23:15, 0:23:17]: Um, give their opinions. [0:23:18, 0:23:21]: I mean to ask them once at the end of the year. [0:23:21, 0:23:33]: uh they may have forgotten what happened in January February and then you're asked in say in December. It just seems that something should be in place uh a little bit more um [0:23:33, 0:23:34]: Um [0:23:35, 0:23:42]: intermediate where uh you know this can be gauged um on on a regular basis. [0:23:42, 0:23:46]: That's that that's that's my concern now, but I do have another question. [0:23:46, 0:23:49]: Uh my other question is [0:23:49, 0:23:55]: I notice in the scope of the contract it seems to be a seventeen seventeen thousand dollars. [0:23:55, 0:23:56]: For COVID. [0:23:56, 0:24:00]: So what is the difference in the regular cleaning? [0:24:00, 0:24:03]: versus the uh specified [0:24:03, 0:24:07]: Uh C D C uh requirement uh cleaning. What is the difference? [0:24:10, 0:24:12]: Yes, she wants to go ahead and answer that. [0:24:12, 0:24:27]: Well, the COVID cleaning is it implements what the C D C recommends. That wasn't in the original scope of services. The original scope of service was janitorial service, cleaning and mopping and waxing and things of that nature. But when the COVID nineteen happened, [0:24:27, 0:24:39]: that was a different level of cleaning that was required as far as like sanitizing and and those sort of things. So that's by 17,000. That's in addition to the normal janitorial services they were providing. [0:24:40, 0:24:42]: No, I I understand that, but in detail [0:24:43, 0:24:47]: What is the uh specified clean? We know it's sanitizing, but [0:24:47, 0:24:53]: What are the actual functions? Is there a spray? Is there a mist? I mean, what is it? [0:24:54, 0:25:07]: Yes, so they're they're using additional disinfectant. They're also cleaning more frequently than they were in the past, especially like at the wastewater treatment plant. It was just once a week. Now they're doing that five days a week. They're [0:25:07, 0:25:17]: uh increase the level of cleaning at city hall, the municipal court, the mural manners admin building. So there are some additional services related to COVID that they're performing. [0:25:18, 0:25:25]: Well, I I I'd like to see those detail for seventeen thousand dollars. I just think that needs to be spelled out and we need to understand. [0:25:25, 0:25:30]: uh what is required. And I think they also definitely need to understand [0:25:30, 0:25:35]: uh the depth of that, I would not want them just to come in and do what they regularly do. [0:25:35, 0:25:38]: And and just go home because there's no one there. [0:25:38, 0:25:39]: Overseeing. [0:25:39, 0:25:48]: Uh, what they do. So I just like to have that spell out, Mrs. Miller, uh, at some point in time in detail, what is the um special [0:25:48, 0:25:53]: uh C D C uh guidelines cleaning. I I like to know those details. [0:25:56, 0:26:00]: Any other questions for Miss Miller or or Mr. Councilman Blount, go ahead, please. [0:26:02, 0:26:07]: Yeah, I um you know, uh I I would always and I've said this on many occasions that we have to [0:26:08, 0:26:11]: caution our I think we should caution our sales and [0:26:11, 0:26:15]: probably ask questions prior to this meeting that could get answered and [0:26:16, 0:26:22]: We have to be careful and cautious when we're speaking of a vendor or any other in any other business that does business with city and stockbridge. I think that [0:26:23, 0:26:24]: Stop bridging itself as a major [0:26:25, 0:26:26]: contract for anybody. [0:26:27, 0:26:34]: And when we we have to be careful and cautious that we're we're we're staying on track and not going into any type of belittlement areas. [0:26:35, 0:26:36]: Of any contract [0:26:36, 0:26:38]: Um anybody that's contracted with the city. [0:26:39, 0:26:39]: Um [0:26:40, 0:26:42]: Because that could be detriment beyond the [0:26:42, 0:26:44]: working with the city of Scott Bridge. So [0:26:45, 0:26:48]: I I just want us to call take cautions on those areas. [0:26:49, 0:26:51]: Thank you. Any other comments for uh [0:26:51, 0:26:52]: Ms. Miller Descius. [0:26:53, 0:26:58]: I do. Yeah, go right in, please. Um supplier evaluation is a um [0:26:59, 0:27:05]: a general function of purchasing. So most suppliers know when they have a contract, they are [0:27:06, 0:27:07]: Seem to be [0:27:08, 0:27:11]: evaluated at any time during the contract. [0:27:11, 0:27:14]: Um, it is simply my [0:27:14, 0:27:15]: Um [0:27:16, 0:27:18]: I'm just trying to understand. [0:27:18, 0:27:21]: We've had a contract with the same supplier. [0:27:21, 0:27:23]: For a number of years. [0:27:23, 0:27:29]: We need to be able to bid these out to other contractors just so that we can. [0:27:30, 0:27:31]: Um compare costs. [0:27:32, 0:27:35]: So so I see with the sanitation costs. [0:27:35, 0:27:38]: The seventeen thousand dollars that they're proposing. [0:27:39, 0:27:40]: There may be another supplier. [0:27:41, 0:27:42]: They may offer [0:27:42, 0:27:42]: Mm. [0:27:43, 0:27:51]: Discount or a cheaper price. It's not all about price, I know it's about the quality of service. However, I want to be able to compare. [0:27:51, 0:27:54]: And this doesn't give me much to compare. [0:27:54, 0:27:59]: Not only that, when we get these bids like this, I really would like to see [0:28:00, 0:28:03]: the evaluations um that were [0:28:03, 0:28:04]: Take it. [0:28:04, 0:28:06]: So I can see for myself. [0:28:06, 0:28:10]: Um and even the feedback from staff, just so I can see. [0:28:11, 0:28:14]: So that's that's my final comment. [0:28:14, 0:28:19]: Uh Mr. Mayor. Yeah, go right ahead, Mayor Proton. And this would be my final one too. [0:28:19, 0:28:20]: Um [0:28:21, 0:28:25]: Anytime a decision comes to me as an elected official. [0:28:25, 0:28:34]: Um, I think I have that right to ask, you know, questions. Also, I I really to be honest with you, um [0:28:35, 0:28:44]: I believe a representative from the company need to be here to answer those questions. I think you have a lot of folks out there who love these contracts. So I'm not going to um [0:28:45, 0:29:05]: You know, I'm not gonna try to shortchange myself and as far as not asking questions. Uh I I think this is uh my duty to ask these questions. And I'll be honest with you, uh I think a representative needs to be here to answer those questions directly, especially if they want to be it. Uh you have a lot of companies out here, small businesses. [0:29:04, 0:29:10]: that would love have a relationship with the set of Starkbridge. So uh this is the nature of the beast. [0:29:12, 0:29:13]: Ms. Gann, go ahead, please. [0:29:13, 0:29:23]: Thank you. One question from Mr. Knighton. Mr. Knighton, have any staff members complained to you about any of the concerns about the cleanliness or or the upkeep from our janitorial services? [0:29:24, 0:29:35]: Uh not since they've been back here with us. I don't recall any uh real concerns that were registered. One of the things about janitorial, of course, is in a traditional environment that we're in [0:29:35, 0:29:49]: or when we're in a traditional environment, it's one of those things that usually will stick out quite a bit and you would get uh staff members who would uh register concerns uh or complaints uh about the janitorial service, but I think they've done [0:29:49, 0:29:52]: A a very good job. I'm not aware of any, you know [0:29:53, 0:29:58]: um concerns or real complaints about uh the janitorial service and uh the service they provided. [0:29:59, 0:30:06]: Okay. I I just wanted to make sure of that first and foremost. Um, because I know we but you know, we can go around and round with it. [0:30:07, 0:30:08]: Um but um [0:30:09, 0:30:12]: In regards to where we are right now. [0:30:13, 0:30:13]: Yeah. [0:30:13, 0:30:17]: Our city attorney stated that the contract [0:30:17, 0:30:20]: would be up to that and we can terminate [0:30:20, 0:30:23]: At any time within thirty days, anyway, and we're doing it. [0:30:24, 0:30:29]: for the purpose of extending it with the amount that we already have. [0:30:29, 0:30:31]: on the services that we already have. [0:30:32, 0:30:35]: Um and those services were prior to [0:30:35, 0:30:36]: COVID. [0:30:37, 0:30:48]: Um and so, you know, we could target and and make statements or say anything that they maybe they didn't specialize in doing something with COVID at the time, but that wasn't [0:30:48, 0:31:00]: you know, at the time in their contract agreement. I just ask that, you know, staff try to move this forward expeditiously. But mayor, I would like to make a motion to approve the extension of this agreement. [0:31:00, 0:31:01]: Um [0:31:02, 0:31:03]: Up to [0:31:03, 0:31:04]: One year. [0:31:04, 0:31:05]: Okay, is there a second? [0:31:07, 0:31:15]: There's a second to the motion. Uh Ms. Councilman Blount seconds that motion. All right. Further discussion. I see there's another hand up. Uh Councilman Barber, Barber, go ahead. [0:31:15, 0:31:25]: Yes, so the difference with this contract or yeah, this contract is they're adding the extra layer of cleaning with the COVID. [0:31:25, 0:31:29]: So it's not the same contract. This is something different. [0:31:29, 0:31:35]: So it should be bidded out so that new suppliers can also submit their bids for it. [0:31:36, 0:31:49]: So I want to see us do a month-to-month, at least 60 or 90 days, just so that staff has time to prepare a new scope of work for this. [0:31:50, 0:31:50]: Good. [0:31:51, 0:32:05]: My opinion. All right. So I'd like to table this if we could. Well the motion's been made, it's been seconded actually. So we're gonna have to vote on this. Uh councilman Gantt, did you have something else or you you're or or not? I I think there might be um uh I just wanna [0:32:05, 0:32:14]: Let Councilwoman Barber know that. I think we're saying the same thing. The city attorney already stated that the contract can be terminated within 30 days. [0:32:14, 0:32:19]: Each time frame. I made a motion to extend the contract up to [0:32:20, 0:32:38]: the a year, not saying a full year. And I think we all agree, I in my very initial first comment was that we we should always put different things out for bid after, you know, I believe it's two years um per different services um based off of the classes I've taken in the past. [0:32:38, 0:32:46]: Um I from my understanding, you know, when you re you rotate different types of services or whatever services we're contracting out. [0:32:46, 0:32:54]: those RFPs are rotated. So we can get and see what what bang for the butt we're getting or compare and contrast the services and what's out there. [0:32:55, 0:32:58]: I don't think we're s I think we're saying the same thing. [0:32:58, 0:33:08]: I'm not willing to I after our um public works director say that that he thinks ninety days is not enough time. [0:33:08, 0:33:10]: You know, my concern is [0:33:10, 0:33:14]: Let's give them the time to get this done. [0:33:14, 0:33:18]: And so especially when there are other things on the plate that are pending. [0:33:18, 0:33:26]: And that's that's why I I ask that we, you know, up to that time point because if we want to end the contract after 30 days, we can't. [0:33:28, 0:33:29]: Mr. Alexander, go ahead, please. [0:33:29, 0:33:34]: Uh I think the main point here is that we need uh to make sure that [0:33:34, 0:33:36]: We have other people be in. [0:33:37, 0:33:55]: We need to make sure that we have every uh more people come to the table. Uh we we've been doing things incorrectly in the past, jumping back between different vendors. We need a fair process where we we open this up so everybody can uh everybody can. [0:33:55, 0:33:58]: Uh go after the contract fairly. [0:33:58, 0:34:04]: I think the appropriate thing would be to table this and to come back to it once we got the specifics. [0:34:06, 0:34:07]: Councilman Blount, go ahead, please. [0:34:09, 0:34:14]: Yeah, I I agree with Councilman Alexander, but I think that when we listen to what was said. [0:34:14, 0:34:20]: is that they can we could counsel this contract in any thirty days and once they figure out [0:34:20, 0:34:24]: Mr. Days said once they figure out the scope of work that's gonna be needed [0:34:25, 0:34:30]: then the bid the the bidding process gonna go out uh through procurement. [0:34:30, 0:34:33]: They're not saying it's not gonna go out to other people. We [0:34:33, 0:34:36]: without the without the scope of of of uh [0:34:36, 0:34:39]: s the scope of the services that we won't render [0:34:39, 0:34:44]: Until that's finalized, who you what are you baiting out if the scope of service [0:34:44, 0:34:46]: The scope of what you want is not finalized. [0:34:46, 0:34:47]: So I think [0:34:47, 0:34:52]: What you want, Miss Alexander, and I think what Miss Barber wants is that to say, Hey, let's [0:34:52, 0:34:55]: Let's hurry this thing up also and I agree with all of you all. [0:34:55, 0:34:59]: But I think in the components of what we're saying, all all of this encompasses that. [0:34:59, 0:35:00]: It it encompasses [0:35:01, 0:35:05]: Terminating the contract on any given thirty days, it encompasses [0:35:05, 0:35:07]: Uh putting it out for bed. [0:35:07, 0:35:09]: But it also encompasses bringing in [0:35:09, 0:35:11]: An uh the scope of what we want. [0:35:12, 0:35:20]: And then putting it out to bid for other companies to bid on. And right now, what we've done with this company is just allowed them to operate until we do that. [0:35:21, 0:35:22]: And so I mean [0:35:22, 0:35:24]: I mean, why would we prolong [0:35:24, 0:35:28]: That pro this process which would br what was actually [0:35:28, 0:35:31]: speedy up the process of getting other bitch out. [0:35:32, 0:35:37]: On that note, let me say let me hold stand by a second, please. Let me say this. By chance, if uh somehow we did not [0:35:38, 0:35:39]: pass this particular motion. [0:35:39, 0:35:47]: Then we'll probably have to come up with something else because obviously the if we don't pass this, right, then we won't have uh sanitation services for our buildings. This is my understanding. [0:35:48, 0:35:49]: Is that correct? [0:35:50, 0:35:51]: The contract is [0:35:51, 0:36:03]: expired and you won't be able to pay them and they're not gonna perform the services without getting paid. So with what's going on, we were just trying to give ourselves some time. We were working on a scope of services before this pandemic hit. [0:36:04, 0:36:14]: And and when this hit, we didn't want to be caught without anyone cleaning the building. So we we came in and extended until we get the scope of services. [0:36:14, 0:36:18]: furned up and ready to submit out for bid because we went through this process once before [0:36:19, 0:36:23]: We had a previous vendor, they were here for about three months, didn't perform up the standards. [0:36:24, 0:36:34]: So we had to go back to the previous vendor and so that's where we are with this one. So we're just trying to extend it so that we can continue to pay them because if we don't pay them, we won't have any janitorial services. [0:36:35, 0:36:35]: All right. [0:36:36, 0:36:39]: Miss Barber will make this the last one, even though you said this the last one was some time ago. [0:36:40, 0:36:41]: That's what you said. [0:36:41, 0:36:44]: Go right ahead. Go right ahead. [0:36:45, 0:36:47]: Looking at the staff recommendation form. [0:36:48, 0:36:52]: First one says city staff is requesting that city council extend [0:36:53, 0:36:54]: The existing agreements. [0:36:55, 0:36:56]: For one year. [0:36:57, 0:36:59]: I don't want to extend it for one year. [0:37:00, 0:37:06]: But the motions the mo let me say the motion's been made. It's not it's not it doesn't say up to one. It says up to one year. It'll probably be shorter than that. [0:37:06, 0:37:08]: I don't think you have to worry about that. But anyway. [0:37:09, 0:37:09]: So [0:37:10, 0:37:11]: What I'm asking. [0:37:11, 0:37:12]: Okay. [0:37:13, 0:37:15]: A motion has been made. So let's just [0:37:15, 0:37:17]: Okay, let's just vote then. [0:37:17, 0:37:26]: Mr. Alexander, go ahead. One last time. We've been talking. Motion's been made, it's been second. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:37:27, 0:37:29]: All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:37:30, 0:37:31]: All polls. [0:37:33, 0:37:34]: One [0:37:35, 0:37:46]: Okay, three two, the motion fails. All right. Now that that has happened, now we need we don't have any services unless we come up with some other type of objective here on having services for our city uh facilities. [0:37:47, 0:37:48]: Mayor. Yes, Mayor. [0:37:49, 0:37:54]: I don't believe, Mr. Aaron, did you disclose what the um date was that it expires? [0:37:56, 0:37:59]: I'd have to look back to my documents. Lindell, do you have that handy? [0:38:00, 0:38:00]: Um [0:38:01, 0:38:02]: Speaker. [0:38:08, 0:38:09]: No, I don't. [0:38:21, 0:38:39]: All right. Well, obviously you said it expired, so otherwise you have to still pay them for what they've done thus far. And now what now with this particular motion failing, uh that ends that particular contract, uh I would imagine. And uh now we have no other services. So now we we were now we gotta figure out what we're gonna do here. [0:38:39, 0:38:42]: Mr. Williams, one second, stand by a second. Mr. Williams. [0:38:42, 0:38:45]: As the attorney, you got any s legal suggestions here on this process? [0:38:46, 0:38:50]: I I think um it appears that you have uh [0:38:51, 0:38:57]: uh some council members who are willing to approve it for up to ninety days or a hundred and twenty days, perhaps a motion [0:38:58, 0:39:01]: Of that sort would be in order. We would still have the thirty day [0:39:01, 0:39:02]: Termination. [0:39:03, 0:39:12]: All right, thank you for that. Uh Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. Uh yeah, I I was getting ready to make that motion uh just to extend this for for 90 days. [0:39:13, 0:39:15]: Um I also [0:39:15, 0:39:24]: Well, that's the motion, but I would like to know the uh termination date for this current uh contract. And I just want to say this to Mr. Aaron. [0:39:24, 0:39:28]: Now we've been in the pandemic since February and March. [0:39:28, 0:39:30]: And you're saying that, you know. [0:39:30, 0:39:33]: Uh, you know, we need time to to to do this and to do that. [0:39:34, 0:39:35]: I mean [0:39:35, 0:39:51]: I mean, we we've been in the pandemic since March, but I'm almost sorry to let that go. But my motion is just to extend the contract to this particular company uh for ninety days and to ask staff to uh do whatever's necessary to um put this beard back out, et cetera, et cetera. [0:39:52, 0:39:53]: A second there. [0:39:53, 0:39:55]: Councilman Barber seconds there. Any further discussion? [0:39:56, 0:40:00]: If not seeing none on Councilman Lunn, I'm sorry, go ahead. [0:40:02, 0:40:04]: Um, I I think one of the things that [0:40:04, 0:40:05]: You know [0:40:06, 0:40:09]: If this council agrees to ninety days, then so be it. [0:40:10, 0:40:13]: But we have to understand that we we've hired staff to give us [0:40:14, 0:40:17]: uh their professional opinions on whatever we're doing. [0:40:18, 0:40:22]: And when we start to say that we're gonna go beyond what staff has recommended. [0:40:23, 0:40:25]: Then we're going into areas that we've hired people to do. [0:40:26, 0:40:28]: We're going to the area of managing the city. [0:40:28, 0:40:30]: Not y you know, and and so [0:40:31, 0:40:33]: If if we got staff saying it's gonna [0:40:33, 0:40:35]: That that ninety days isn't enough. [0:40:36, 0:40:40]: Then who are we as a council to say we're gonna do ninety days and that's it? [0:40:40, 0:40:45]: regardless of what staff say, then what then then what's the purpose of getting staff's opinion? [0:40:45, 0:40:51]: So I don't agree with putting this ninety day tag on it because it's already been told to us that we can cancel it at any time. So [0:40:52, 0:40:54]: Yeah, that's my two shit. [0:40:54, 0:40:56]: Councilwoman Gann, go ahead, please. [0:40:56, 0:41:00]: Thank you. Um, I agree with Councilman Blount. I also [0:41:00, 0:41:16]: Would like to make a statement in in regards to what we're doing when we talk about small businesses and minority contractors and and other and and business contractors and and janitory services and any contracts that we have with Stockbridge when we have meetings such as these. [0:41:16, 0:41:30]: In addition to that, so I I ask that we consider that. We've received emails in the past in regards to you know some of the businesses' concerns when we do this. Um in addition to that, I would also [0:41:30, 0:41:36]: like to say, I'm gonna vote for the ninety days, but I don't agree with the ninety days because I feel like it should be up to [0:41:37, 0:41:39]: The full time frame. [0:41:39, 0:41:46]: that they should do. But we can't go without janitory services. So it's in the best interest of the city for us to do something. [0:41:46, 0:41:50]: If we're gonna have these three two votes or or whatever the case may be. [0:41:51, 0:41:54]: For something such as a janitorial service. [0:41:55, 0:41:57]: that has had not had any complaint. [0:41:57, 0:41:59]: based off of what the city manager gave. [0:41:59, 0:42:03]: So m um Miss Holliday, please make sure you put that in the records verbatim. [0:42:04, 0:42:05]: Thank you. [0:42:06, 0:42:13]: Okay, now quite a bit of discussion. We got a motion on the on the floor, been seconded. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:42:14, 0:42:17]: Okay. Four? All opposed? [0:42:18, 0:42:23]: Okay, one four to one. Four to one okay, it passes. All right, we'll move on. [0:42:24, 0:42:26]: Uh let's see here. [0:42:27, 0:42:32]: Council consideration to approve the purchase of a uh nineteen thousand five hundred pound [0:42:32, 0:42:39]: GVW Chassis with Rugby Box Dump International CV Dump Truck. [0:42:40, 0:42:47]: From Rush Truck Center of Georgia, incorporated RFP number 2019-007P. [0:42:48, 0:43:05]: Uh state contract nine nine nine nine nine dash zero zero one dash spero zero zero zero one five five an amount of sixty nine thousand seven hundred and seventy three cents and uh six excuse me six hundred sixty nine thousand six hundred seventy three and eighty four cents. [0:43:05, 0:43:10]: Funding source uh water department budget presented by Miss Miller and Mr. Aaron, please. [0:43:11, 0:43:31]: Good afternoon once again, Mayor and Council. And I do I apologize for the interruption in the service, IT service. The purpose of this contract is to provide the city with an international CD dump bed truck necessary for the water and sewer department to bring and remove debris from work sites. Due to the size of the CD bed truck, [0:43:31, 0:43:42]: truck, a smaller area is impacted and drivers are not required to possess the commercial driver's license. This is a state contract in which we're asking to piggyback. Uh for the record, again it's uh [0:43:43, 0:43:45]: City of Stockbridge procurement number. [0:43:46, 0:43:46]: Uh [0:43:48, 0:43:53]: Twenty twenty, I'm sorry, twenty nineteen, zero zero zero zero zero seven P. [0:43:56, 0:43:56]: Okay. [0:43:57, 0:44:00]: Hey, Mr. Aaron, do you have anything you need to add at this time? [0:44:00, 0:44:07]: Yes, Mr. Mayor, this truck will be replaced in a nineteen eighty-seven dump truck that we're currently using that has outused its useful life. [0:44:08, 0:44:09]: Mm-hmm. Okay. [0:44:10, 0:44:13]: Council, any questions for Mr. Aaron or Lindell Miller? [0:44:14, 0:44:28]: Mr. Alexander, go ahead please. Yeah, what exactly do you do with the truck? So the public understands that we're gonna spend these funds, uh that this how much use is the truck getting and what are we going to do with it? [0:44:29, 0:44:49]: Uh the water department uses if they had a water leak, they have to remove the wet soil and bring back dry soil to fill in the holes. Also, the sewer department uses it as well. They have uh sewer right-aways and easements they're maintaining. Sometimes we have washouts, we have to haul dirt and rock to fill in those areas on on the sewer easements. [0:44:49, 0:44:51]: So that's what the truck is used for. [0:44:53, 0:44:54]: Okay. [0:44:54, 0:44:57]: Mr. Bar uh Ms. Barber, go ahead please. You got a question? [0:44:57, 0:45:03]: Um yes, for this RFP I wanted to know if there were other suppliers. [0:45:04, 0:45:08]: Um this is a piggyback contract, a state contract in which we're piggybacking. [0:45:09, 0:45:09]: Yeah. [0:45:13, 0:45:15]: Okay, any other questions? [0:45:16, 0:45:24]: Mr. Mayor, yeah, go right ahead, Mayor Protestant. I'm just curious of uh if Mr. Air know the mileage uh on the old uh truck. [0:45:25, 0:45:27]: It's thirty three years old. [0:45:28, 0:45:35]: And I just know that it it's in bad shape and it it it just sounded a health concern to people that are driving and operating that truck. [0:45:36, 0:45:38]: Thank you. [0:45:38, 0:45:40]: Okay, I'm sorry, Miss Barber. [0:45:40, 0:45:47]: I wanna tell how did um staff um decide on this supplier? What [0:45:47, 0:45:48]: Criteria. [0:45:48, 0:45:50]: Was used to [0:45:50, 0:45:51]: Is that [0:45:52, 0:45:54]: That's just you want to explain the scope. [0:45:55, 0:46:00]: No, I wanna know how did you decide on this particular [0:46:00, 0:46:04]: um supplier to piggyback off this particular contract. [0:46:05, 0:46:25]: Well it's it's a state contract and typically the state contract gives you the better price than if you bidded it out. They vetted all these vendors and they provided them a scope of work or specifications on different trucks. So you're able to get a better price by going the state contract than if you typically bidded it out. [0:46:26, 0:46:28]: Okay, and one more question. So [0:46:29, 0:46:31]: This is coming from which account? [0:46:32, 0:46:36]: This is coming from the water department budget. They had budgeted to replace the truck. [0:46:36, 0:46:39]: Okay, I don't have a financial statement or [0:46:39, 0:46:41]: anything so I don't know. [0:46:42, 0:46:45]: what the balance is of this account, I something I've asked for. [0:46:48, 0:46:52]: Is the treasurer and the funds available in their budget for it? [0:46:55, 0:46:59]: Mr. Wiggins, can you assist with that uh account number? [0:47:00, 0:47:08]: Yeah, the cat I mean pr it it's I'll have to I can look at that too. So [0:47:09, 0:47:12]: So I wanna know what the balance is. [0:47:12, 0:47:14]: Right. [0:47:15, 0:47:16]: I'm sorry. [0:47:17, 0:47:17]: Really? [0:47:19, 0:47:30]: Yeah, I think you said he has to look it up. It'll be coming in kind of garbled there, Mr. Wiggins. Okay, so one forward for any item that's on the agenda that requires an expenditure. [0:47:31, 0:47:34]: I wanna see what the balance is before I'll approve it. [0:47:35, 0:47:40]: They have budgeted a hundred and twenty thousand dollars vehicles in their budget. [0:47:41, 0:47:42]: That's correct. [0:47:42, 0:47:47]: But I don't know what other expenses may have been applied to this account. [0:47:47, 0:47:49]: So I don't know what the balance is currently. [0:47:50, 0:47:52]: That's why I'm asking for a financial statement. [0:47:55, 0:47:58]: Okay. And Mr. Alexander, go ahead, sir. [0:47:59, 0:48:01]: Go ahead. Casmine Alexander, go ahead. [0:48:07, 0:48:09]: Yeah, uh I'll just uh [0:48:10, 0:48:30]: I just wanna understand um the truck and again um the the the the make sure that we're getting uh what we truly uh what how much usage is the truck getting and what it I I wanna understand, is it being used daily, being used weekly? How often is it being used in in in in the in this in the in the [0:48:29, 0:48:31]: The scope of what you're doing. [0:48:31, 0:48:32]: How often do you? [0:48:33, 0:48:35]: It's being used two to three times per week. [0:48:36, 0:48:39]: At different location. Like I said, the water department uses it. [0:48:40, 0:48:42]: what we currently have in the store department as well. [0:48:43, 0:48:58]: Okay, so you you're saying you get to use it about two to three times a week in the course of of what you or uh what you're doing, uh, in terms of moving this forward. I think uh the concerns surrounding this particular [0:49:01, 0:49:03]: That comes to this council on a regular basis. [0:49:04, 0:49:09]: And this council always says yes, there's some concerns amongst these [0:49:09, 0:49:25]: uh counsel about the uh some of the things being executed in that particular department. I want to ask the staff, is there a deadline is this a firm deadline to get this particular price for this particular truck? [0:49:25, 0:49:27]: Or could um [0:49:27, 0:49:29]: If it if we decided to wait. [0:49:30, 0:49:38]: Then what uh what are the ramifications of waiting? It's a state contract, so is the price good for how the state the price will still be good if we do decide to delay? [0:49:39, 0:49:48]: Well, this state contract, this particular state contract expires August 31st, 2020. I will have to check to see if the state intends to renew it. [0:49:49, 0:49:57]: Okay, so in other words, we would be able to revisit this at the work session, then you would be able to find out find out about it at that time before the work session. [0:49:58, 0:50:04]: I can go online to see if it's going to be renewed. Um if not, I would have to contact the state of Georgia in the morning. [0:50:05, 0:50:24]: Right. So by the next meeting you would be able to find this in particular issue. Yes. Okay. Okay. Based based on that we can I think we Oh just stand by please. Um Mr. Aaron, you need to ru one a second, Mr. Aaron. I wasn't finished, so please let me come back to me. [0:50:24, 0:50:26]: I will. Go ahead, Mr. Aaron. Go ahead, sir. [0:50:27, 0:50:38]: My only concern is you got staff driving in a vehicle that's thirty-three years old that has far outlived this useful life expectancy for what is used for to haul and remove debris. [0:50:38, 0:50:41]: And my only concern is you got people that are driving it. [0:50:42, 0:50:46]: And especially when you're using a thirty-three year old vehicle. [0:50:47, 0:50:49]: Okay, Mr. Allison, go ahead now. [0:50:55, 0:50:56]: Cosman Alexander. [0:50:59, 0:51:02]: Looks like can you hear me? Go ahead now. Go ahead. Can you hear me? [0:51:02, 0:51:04]: Yes, I can hear you. [0:51:06, 0:51:09]: I think we'll have the answer for what we're looking for. [0:51:09, 0:51:12]: by the time things come around for the work session and um [0:51:13, 0:51:16]: I think we need to have some further discussions about [0:51:16, 0:51:35]: Um and uh I think we'll be having that discussion with Mr. Knighton uh and then this uh Mr. Aaron as well about uh and we've had been having some ongoing concerns. So until uh we get some further clarification on no particular concerns, uh we know we've been open the wallet fairly. [0:51:36, 0:51:37]: Uh liberally. [0:51:37, 0:51:41]: And we wanna I personally want to see some return. [0:51:41, 0:52:01]: on those particular investments. When you come to us, we give you what you need. I always ask what you need. I need some things in terms of what I need to see executed in the city. I want to vote, I want to make a motion to table this particular issue until our next meeting so we can get some clarification [0:52:01, 0:52:06]: And we can have some further discussions about um [0:52:06, 0:52:09]: Some uh this this particular part. [0:52:09, 0:52:10]: I second that. [0:52:11, 0:52:18]: Uh Councilman Barber second that further discussion and earlier I forgot Mr. Knighton, you had you had your hand up. Uh you needed to say something, sir. [0:52:19, 0:52:22]: No, I I said we was gonna mention that a that a vehicle um [0:52:23, 0:52:34]: of of you know that old probably is run into a situation also where you don't have any parts for that vehicle as things uh d begin to deteriorate and so the parts are probably [0:52:34, 0:52:42]: out of service and out of stock as well. But um obviously we'll uh we will follow the council's direction with how you want to move on this issue. [0:52:43, 0:52:44]: Mr. Wiggins, go ahead, please. [0:52:44, 0:52:46]: I want to um [0:52:46, 0:52:46]: Uh [0:52:47, 0:52:50]: Let Councilman Barber know that no funds have been [0:52:50, 0:52:52]: It's spending out that uh account. [0:52:53, 0:52:54]: So it still has a hundred and twenty [0:52:55, 0:52:56]: thousand dollars budget for it. [0:52:58, 0:52:59]: Councilman Blount, go ahead, please. [0:53:01, 0:53:02]: Once again [0:53:03, 0:53:09]: We either gonna ask questions before the meeting or we're gonna table everything till we get the to till we get the answers. [0:53:09, 0:53:13]: All of these questions could be asked prior to this meeting. We don't have to keep tabling anything. [0:53:14, 0:53:18]: These are simple questions that could have been answered right here at this meeting so we can move forward. [0:53:18, 0:53:22]: And work on other issues come come to in uh at the work session. [0:53:23, 0:53:25]: We got to start asking questions. [0:53:25, 0:53:28]: And and making decisions at these meetings are we're gonna continue to keep [0:53:30, 0:53:33]: The little information we're asking for, that could have been answered. [0:53:34, 0:53:37]: I'm just saying those those questions could have been answered prior to this meeting. [0:53:37, 0:53:41]: And we didn't wouldn't have to table it when I agree with Councilman Alexander when we asked. [0:53:42, 0:53:44]: that what do you need? What do you need? What do you need? [0:53:44, 0:53:48]: I wouldn't want to have a vehicle for thirty three years old trying to work in it. [0:53:48, 0:53:53]: And so if we if we need a vehicle that's thirty three years old, that's uh that's almost low hanging fruit. [0:53:54, 0:53:55]: That it needs to be changed out. [0:53:56, 0:54:04]: That vehicle needs to be changed out and whatever needs to be done for a surplus in that vehicle to get whatever we can get out of that vehicle, so be it. But that is [0:54:04, 0:54:07]: That is low hanging fruit that needs to be replaced. [0:54:07, 0:54:10]: And so now we're gonna table it to the end of the month. [0:54:11, 0:54:16]: table to the end of the month when staff that's over these people are saying that the vehicle is unsafe. [0:54:17, 0:54:23]: But now we're gonna table at the end of the month when questions could have been asked prior to this meeting and we could start moving forward getting the vehicle. It just doesn't [0:54:23, 0:54:25]: It it just doesn't make sense to me. [0:54:26, 0:54:27]: Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [0:54:28, 0:54:30]: Well, I've been asking. [0:54:30, 0:54:32]: Since January. [0:54:32, 0:54:35]: Please provide a financial statement. [0:54:35, 0:54:37]: with every agenda item. [0:54:37, 0:54:38]: For every [0:54:39, 0:54:39]: Meeting. [0:54:41, 0:54:44]: I'm not going to keep asking those questions prior to a meeting. [0:54:45, 0:54:46]: I need [0:54:46, 0:54:49]: The financial statements with the balances and [0:54:50, 0:54:52]: Same time I received [0:54:52, 0:54:54]: The meeting agendas. [0:54:54, 0:54:58]: So that way I don't have to table things or vote to table things. [0:54:59, 0:55:08]: That's all. Um I um no doubt, I'm sure that this truck is needed. I'm sure it is. It's needed. But two weeks from now is not gonna [0:55:09, 0:55:11]: Hope it's not gonna cause a [0:55:11, 0:55:12]: Big problem. [0:55:13, 0:55:13]: So [0:55:14, 0:55:15]: That's all. [0:55:15, 0:55:18]: Ms. Alexander, you had something else, sir, you need to say? [0:55:20, 0:55:23]: Uh I uh no, I think we're ready to vote now. [0:55:23, 0:55:32]: All right, then uh if there are the if there are no other comments, the motion has been made to table this and second it. So uh all in favor of that motion please indicate. [0:55:34, 0:55:36]: Three opposed. [0:55:37, 0:55:42]: Two motion passed three to two. It'll be tabled to our next council work session. [0:55:43, 0:55:51]: Council consideration approved the purchase of a 2021 Kinworth Kinworth T four seventy tandem axle axle. [0:55:51, 0:56:00]: V Contruck under state contract nine nine nine nine-001 dash SPD 00000155. [0:56:00, 0:56:03]: From M H C Kinw Kinworth. [0:56:03, 0:56:09]: in the amount of four hundred and six thousand nine hundred and twenty two dollars, funding source sewer fund balance, which is one hundred and eighty three [0:56:10, 0:56:18]: thousand one hundred and fourteen dollars and ninety cents and a water fund balance of 142 thousand four hundred and twenty two dollars and seventy cents [0:56:18, 0:56:24]: And stormwater fund balance eighty one thousand three hundred eighty four dollars and forty cents. Miss Miller. [0:56:24, 0:56:26]: And Mr. Aaron, please. [0:56:26, 0:56:46]: Good afternoon once again, Mayor and Council. The procurement division is requesting again for City Council's approval to take it back the state of Georgia contract for truck chases and truck bodies. City of Stockbridge procurement number for the record is 2019-0007P for the Public Works Department for the purchase of a 2021 Ken. [0:56:46, 0:57:05]: T470 Tandem Axel for$110,525, and then a 2020 VICON 311 HE 1500 for$296,397 in an estimated overall amount of$406,922. [0:57:07, 0:57:08]: Sarah, do you have anything else you need to add, sir? [0:57:09, 0:57:29]: Uh yes, Mr. Mayor. This vehicle currently, like in the sewer department, we'll use it. The sewer department has a jetter where they clean out sewer lines, but mainly using the jetter, you're just pushing debris from one location to another. You never really get the debris out of the sewer main. The Vatcon truck, you can use that to vacuum the debris like grease and rock. [0:57:29, 0:57:43]: rags and other things out of the sewer main so that you don't have backups. Also, stormwater department can use it. Currently we don't have a way of cleaning out a storm drain if if it gets filled with leaves and sediment and other kind of debris, the background will clean those out. [0:57:44, 0:58:04]: And vacuum that as well. And also you can clean out lift stations with it. You can clean out the clear well at the the water plant that we have to clear out periodically. You can also use it to excavate utilities when you're working around sensitive areas like underground power lines, underground gas mains. You don't have to worry about a spark from a [0:58:04, 0:58:05]: Um [0:58:05, 0:58:09]: blade on a backhoe or excavator so [0:58:09, 0:58:15]: This will be used by three departments and it will greatly improve what we're trying to do in the these departments. [0:58:16, 0:58:18]: Okay, questions, council. [0:58:20, 0:58:23]: If no questions, a motion to accept this proposal. [0:58:24, 0:58:25]: Yeah. [0:58:26, 0:58:28]: Is there a motion to accept this proposal? [0:58:32, 0:58:38]: All right, so it's no motion. I imagine it can't second it. So this this is dead in this aspect. [0:58:39, 0:58:40]: So um [0:58:40, 0:58:45]: If we don't motion, vo uh where's Mr. Williams? Need your legal advisor. [0:58:45, 0:58:55]: All right. This this is no motion. No can't second, can't approve it. And so out my back up, Ms. Wayne, before I ask that question. Uh Dash is how old did you mention how old this vehicle is, by the way? [0:58:55, 0:59:10]: No, sir. This will be a new piece of equipment for the department. We don't currently have it. Ah, okay. When we need those services, we uh use an outside vendor to provide those services for us. So you're spending money to pay somebody else to conduct. [0:59:10, 0:59:13]: I I I can now, but stand by please. [0:59:13, 0:59:19]: So otherwise we're using outside vendor paying someone to conduct the business that this truck would do. Is that what you're telling us now? [0:59:20, 0:59:20]: Yes, sir. [0:59:22, 0:59:27]: Out of curiosity, how mu how do you have an idea how much that we've been spending over the yearly basis for something like this? [0:59:27, 0:59:35]: I know Sewer spends an average of about forty-five thousand dollars a year on those services. Water probably another fifteen or twenty. [0:59:35, 0:59:41]: with them excavating services for them to make repairs. So you're probably spending between sixty and seventy a year. [0:59:41, 0:59:48]: So if we had this truck, then someone so someone on the staff would be qualified to utilize this truck as well. Is that correct? [0:59:49, 1:00:03]: Yes, sir. Our water superintendent has 30 years of experience working with the Macon Water Authority and utility contractors and well versed at using this piece of equipment. And also we'll get training for additional staff on how to use those services as well. [1:00:03, 1:00:06]: All right. Good deal. Uh Mr. Blount, go ahead, please. [1:00:07, 1:00:12]: Mayor, I had a problem with my uh audio with my computer and stuff just then. I was gonna actually [1:00:13, 1:00:15]: do the motion to a for approval of this item. [1:00:17, 1:00:20]: Okay. [1:00:21, 1:00:29]: uh motion on the floor to uh well no we didn't have a motion at all excuse me so you got there wasn't a motion i'm making a motion okay you're making a motion is there a second to that motion [1:00:30, 1:00:31]: А секи [1:00:31, 1:00:37]: Okay, now is the second to Miss Gan second the motion. Okay. Now discussion. Mr. Alexander, go ahead, sir. You had your hand up. [1:00:37, 1:00:42]: Ms. Alexander. Yeah, uh now this is one of the areas [1:00:42, 1:00:43]: Yes, can you hear me? [1:00:44, 1:00:45]: Oh yeah, I hear you go ahead. [1:00:46, 1:00:47]: Well yeah. [1:00:47, 1:00:48]: I hear you. [1:00:53, 1:00:59]: Right, thank you so much. I wanna make sure you do hear me'cause my internet keeps saying it's unstable. I guess there's something going on in the area. [1:01:00, 1:01:15]: Uh in terms of this vehicle and then the usage of it. If we're using six it costs us sixty thousand dollars a year in order to use this particular vehicle. And it's almost what? How much? How many thousands? Give me the total price again. [1:01:19, 1:01:21]: Miss L Miss Miller, you're you've [1:01:21, 1:01:22]: Your book. [1:01:22, 1:01:29]: You're on mute. There you go. I I do apologize. Uh it's four hundred and six thousand nine hundred and twenty-two thousand dollars. [1:01:29, 1:01:46]: Right. So in order for us to see I mean, we paying somebody fifty thousand dollars a year. That's ten years in order to re ten years of fifty thousand dollar payments each year before anything actually occurs where we would actually be in a savings position. [1:01:47, 1:02:07]: I want to take a little bit more time to look at this particular issue in itself. And again, I just want to re-iterize there's some discussions that need to be had with this department because we open up the wallet liberally for this particular department, but there are some accountability issues that need to be dealt with. [1:02:07, 1:02:07]: In terms of [1:02:08, 1:02:13]: uh this city and the overall appearance and everything that we're seeing. So until that point comes [1:02:14, 1:02:19]: We we did asking for five hundred thousand dollars. Uh I wanna see [1:02:19, 1:02:26]: The I wanna be able to see the difference that being made in the in the items that have been requested. I'm not seeing that as of yet. [1:02:27, 1:02:41]: Well let me mention this, uh, Councilman Alexander. The other two issues on the vehicles were well over thirty years old. So I would imagine if we we purchased a vehicle it'll probably last a good thirty years. So the venture would be a a savings per se on that. Just my rough thought process and guess of that. [1:02:42, 1:02:54]: Ms. Dan, go ahead, please. And thank you, Mayor. That's exactly what I wanted to ask Mr. Aaron. Mr. Aaron, do you know the estimate the longevity of of large vehicles such as those? Heavy duty? [1:02:55, 1:02:57]: But this you're talking twenty to twenty five years. [1:02:58, 1:02:58]: Okay. [1:02:58, 1:03:05]: And and and I that's all I just wanted to make sure because uh Mr. Councilman Alexander's uh [1:03:05, 1:03:23]: concern was very valid. I mean, if we are, you know, it would be under it takes about ten years to make up for what we paid. But if it if it extends for that, the lifetime life expectancy of that vehicle is twenty five years, then I'm okay with it. I appreciate that. Thank you. [1:03:24, 1:03:33]: Any other comments, uh questions, concerns? If not, motion was made to accept this. It's been second. All in favor motion, please indicate. [1:03:35, 1:03:36]: All in favor of motion. [1:03:36, 1:03:38]: Okay, I got two all pose. [1:03:40, 1:03:43]: Okay, motion fails, two to three. [1:03:43, 1:03:44]: Okay. [1:03:44, 1:03:49]: On that note, uh we now have uh my comments. First of all, I want to say [1:03:49, 1:03:53]: Happy birthday, Starberry's once again. We made it through a hundred years in incorporation. [1:03:53, 1:03:54]: Of a city. [1:03:54, 1:04:02]: Now we got uh next hundred years go. Can't wait till the two hundred years cell uh celebration, but I won't be here for that unless you believe in reincarnation, okay? [1:04:03, 1:04:07]: But uh uh God bless the city itself and I'll tell you twenty twenty one. [1:04:07, 1:04:14]: uh will be a year to be off the chain, right? We're gonna make up for everything that we didn't get a chance to do in twenty twenty. [1:04:14, 1:04:23]: And by the way, just so you know that uh the Henry County turns 200 years old in uh next year as well. So as we regroup on our celebration. [1:04:23, 1:04:26]: the county will be also celebrating no two in a year bicentennial. [1:04:27, 1:04:29]: So I'm pretty sure we'll be actively engaged in that. [1:04:30, 1:04:50]: I want to also mention to you that uh fortunately uh Armin Kane, well, Stockbridge resident, well-renowned Stockbridge resident, obviously passed not too long ago. So condolences to his family and prayers to them in this aspect and dealing with this and the loss of their their spouse, husband, father, friend uh during this most difficult time. So keep them in prayer. [1:04:49, 1:04:50]: Yeah. [1:04:51, 1:05:02]: On that note, on a public health issue, uh we this last Saturday gave well over nine hundred uh masks and hand sanitizers uh to citizens of Stockbridge. So [1:05:02, 1:05:06]: Keep it up, folks. You've got to continue to be safe, be vigilant. [1:05:06, 1:05:19]: All right, they call it the three W's. Wash your hands, wear your mask, and watch your distance. So when you're out in public, stay at least six distance for folks and keep safe. We're going to be in this for at least another six months, easily. [1:05:19, 1:05:32]: Easily. It's not going away any anytime soon. So we got to continue to be vigilant on this. And obviously, as you well know, that we have here in Stockbridge a Wear Your Mask campaign. So we want to emphasize that. Continue to be safe. You got to do that. [1:05:32, 1:05:33]: All right. [1:05:33, 1:05:41]: Coronavirus is no joke. If you if you think it is, ask someone who has it and survived. Unfortunately, ask someone and may have lost someone. [1:05:41, 1:05:43]: All right, they'll tell you serious. All right. [1:05:44, 1:05:59]: Um happy Labor Day. All right. So coming up on Labor Day here shortly. Obviously the year is moving right along. So happy Labor Day, everybody, in this aspect as well. And um I will tell you, I have to read something here that the clerk gave me. [1:06:00, 1:06:20]: And this deals with the census. The census, folks, is extremely important. Okay. Now, this so happens that the U.S. Census Bureau has announced that uh the self-response phase, the self-response phase of the 2020 census uh campaign has changed, the deadline has changed. Originally, you will be able to do [1:06:20, 1:06:32]: do everything you need to do for the census by the thirty first of October. Well it has changed. It's now thirty thirty September. So that means that if you have collections by phone, in person, or online, well end on thirty September. [1:06:33, 1:06:40]: So one October you can't do it anymore. So if you haven't filled out your census, haven't been able to do the census, please do so. [1:06:40, 1:06:49]: After thirty September, there'll be what you call enumerators that will come out uh and knock on your door if you have not filled that census uh information out. It's very important. [1:06:49, 1:06:51]: for you to fill out the census information. [1:06:52, 1:06:54]: It's uh we everybody s needs to be counted. [1:06:54, 1:06:57]: Little babies need to be count as well. All right. [1:06:57, 1:07:00]: Everybody needs to be counted. It's it's a lot of funds and money. [1:07:01, 1:07:04]: Funds and money to the city once you're counted. So you're you're important. [1:07:05, 1:07:07]: You finish out your census, please. [1:07:07, 1:07:09]: Uh let's see here. [1:07:09, 1:07:12]: Uh what else did I da da da da da da uh [1:07:13, 1:07:13]: Oh. [1:07:14, 1:07:16]: If you haven't voted, folks, the primary [1:07:17, 1:07:20]: You know, run off for the primaries tomorrow. So if you haven't voted, go vote. [1:07:21, 1:07:22]: You need to go vote. [1:07:22, 1:07:30]: Okay, please do that. And if you haven't registered to vote, you still have a chance to register to vote for the general election, which is November third. [1:07:30, 1:07:33]: But you have to register prior to October fifth. [1:07:33, 1:07:35]: Arrest her, all right. [1:07:35, 1:07:40]: And once you do that, you'll be illegal. You can actually vote in a in the general election, which is November third. [1:07:41, 1:07:41]: Mind you. [1:07:42, 1:07:44]: The right to vote is is your constitutional right. [1:07:45, 1:07:52]: May plenty of people died, sacrificed their lives, blood, sweat, and tears for the right to vote. Do that. You must vote. [1:07:52, 1:07:53]: It's your duty to do that. [1:07:54, 1:07:58]: All right, on that note I think that's all the comments I had. My three minutes is probably up anyway. [1:07:59, 1:08:02]: So in reference to meetings uh that we have upcoming. [1:08:03, 1:08:06]: Main Street Advisory Board meeting, which is Friday, October fourteenth. [1:08:06, 1:08:08]: Nine AM by Zoom. [1:08:08, 1:08:11]: Downtown Development Authority meetings Tuesday, August eighteenth. [1:08:12, 1:08:13]: Six o'clock by Zoom. [1:08:14, 1:08:19]: Youth Council Advisory Meeting is Tuesday, August eighteenth, six thirty by Zoom. [1:08:19, 1:08:31]: The City Council work session is Tuesday, August twenty-fifth, six thirty by Zoom. And then the planning commission meeting is Thursday, August twenty-seventh, six thirty by Zoom as well. [1:08:31, 1:08:45]: Oh, I know what I forgot. Public Health Department. Make sure if you haven't gotten tested, or if you need to get tested, 800-847-4262. 800-847-4262. Heritage Senior Center in Madonna is open daily. [1:08:46, 1:08:49]: All right, make a reservation, go there and get programmed, go get tested. [1:08:50, 1:08:55]: All right. So I believe that is it. On that note, I need a motion to [1:08:55, 1:08:56]: Adjourn to meeting. [1:08:58, 1:08:59]: Some [1:08:59, 1:09:00]: Is there a second? [1:09:00, 1:09:01]: They can [1:09:01, 1:09:06]: A second, second I got Barber seconded, okay. Uh so on that notion, all in favor please indicate. [1:09:07, 1:09:08]: All right. [1:09:08, 1:09:10]: Yes, adjourn. We're adjourned. [1:09:10, 1:09:11]: Good evening. [1:09:11, 1:09:13]: It will. All right. [1:09:13, 1:09:14]: A night. [1:09:14, 1:09:15]: Good night. [1:09:15, 1:09:16]: Good night.

--- title: Urban Redevelopment Agency Agenda date: 2020-08-04 source: 2020-08-04_Urban_Redevelopment_Agency_Agenda.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:02]: Tuesday, August fourth, twenty twenty. [0:00:03, 0:00:05]: And so I'd like to call it order. [0:00:05, 0:00:07]: And invocation. Mr. Williams, please. [0:00:08, 0:00:28]: You bow your heads, everyone. Dear Lord, we just thank you for this day. We thank you for bringing us this far and giving us the privilege of doing the business of the people of the city of Stockbridge. Thank you for all the blessings you provided on this city. And we ask to be your hands and your feet in laying the foundation for more blessings to come. [0:00:28, 0:00:28]: Um [0:00:29, 0:00:33]: And we thank you for keeping us healthy and safe during these times and [0:00:34, 0:00:36]: We pray for the families and the victims of [0:00:36, 0:00:41]: Of COVID nineteen, the families and the victims of violence across this country and [0:00:41, 0:00:46]: Today we pray for the family and victims of the terrible tragedy in Lebanon. [0:00:46, 0:00:52]: We know that uh you are in charge, and and we know that you can bring wisdom and peace. [0:00:52, 0:01:03]: um to all of us. And uh we just ask that uh you be with us today as we do the business of the people of Stockbridge. All these things in Jesus' name we pray. Amen. [0:01:03, 0:01:04]: Amen. [0:01:05, 0:01:08]: All right, uh let's stand for the pleasure leaders, please. [0:01:11, 0:01:20]: I pledge allegiance to the flag United. [0:01:21, 0:01:28]: One nation under God, both liberty and justice for all. [0:01:31, 0:01:33]: Madam Clerk, Rocall, please. [0:01:35, 0:01:36]: Maybe four. [0:01:37, 0:01:37]: Resident. [0:01:38, 0:01:40]: Councilman Alexander. [0:01:40, 0:01:41]: Uh huh. [0:01:41, 0:01:43]: Councilwoman Bar. [0:01:44, 0:01:44]: Present. [0:01:48, 0:01:49]: Councilman Blount. [0:01:50, 0:01:51]: President [0:01:52, 0:01:54]: Council Woman Gantt. [0:01:55, 0:01:56]: Present. [0:01:57, 0:02:00]: And Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. [0:02:03, 0:02:06]: He he's on I see him, did he know it's I see you but you're muted. [0:02:17, 0:02:21]: Councilman, we can't hear you. I see him online, but he's muted. [0:02:24, 0:02:25]: I don't know. [0:02:27, 0:02:31]: Thomas, there you go. Present. Okay, good deal. There we go. All right. [0:02:32, 0:02:33]: Okay, on that note. [0:02:33, 0:02:35]: Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. Okay. President. [0:02:37, 0:02:38]: Mayor Ford, do you have a quorum? [0:02:38, 0:02:58]: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. On that note, under the sta state law, the authority for the uh that governs uh urban redevelopment uh agencies, I'm going to acknowledge the fact that I'm going to be the chair. I'd like to appoint Mayor Pro Tem Thomas as the as the vice chair, and uh on that aspect. Okay, and that runs along the same lines of what [0:02:58, 0:03:00]: our city government is at this point. [0:03:00, 0:03:03]: Now on that note, I'd like to have a motion to adopt the agenda. [0:03:05, 0:03:06]: Tamo. [0:03:06, 0:03:07]: The second [0:03:08, 0:03:14]: A second. Okay. Councilman Barber seconds. Okay, number one, real estate matters related to an amphitheater. [0:03:15, 0:03:16]: Mr Williams, please. [0:03:16, 0:03:23]: Um thank you, sir. Um as you will recall at the last council meeting uh the [0:03:23, 0:03:28]: Council adopted a resolution that designated the city council as the [0:03:29, 0:03:34]: board for the urban redevelopment agency. And part of the rationale for doing that is there are [0:03:35, 0:03:40]: pending real estate matters um that are necess necessary to be dealt with. [0:03:40, 0:03:44]: um in connection with the amphitheater. And one of the things that was [0:03:45, 0:03:52]: Acknowledged was the need to have a an easement uh made out in favor of Georgia Power so they can install. [0:03:53, 0:03:54]: A power line for [0:03:55, 0:03:56]: The amphitheatre [0:03:56, 0:04:00]: Um and so what will need to happen tonight is [0:04:00, 0:04:19]: uh a motion to ratify the execution of that easement uh by the chair who is uh who is the mayor. I'd like to share the screen uh with you all so you all can see exactly uh what that easement uh the footprint of the easement is. [0:04:19, 0:04:23]: And so let's see if this works. Can everybody see that? [0:04:24, 0:04:42]: And now we can. I should be able to see it. Okay. And can you see my cursors making a circle near the bottom? Yes. Middle bottom. Okay. Um, just north of uh my cursor is the City Hall. And there's an existing power line that that is installed right there that feeds City Hall. [0:04:43, 0:04:49]: And so that power line is proposed to be extended across the parking lot to a box here. [0:04:50, 0:04:59]: And it will extend around the amphitheater to a box roughly here. And you can kind of faintly see the footprint of the actual amphitheater right here. [0:04:59, 0:05:19]: And it will wrap all the way around and then come back to a uh junction right here. So that's what the easement does. Um the mayor um uh in his capacity as chair of the URA has already executed the easement and we provided it. And so power or work should be underway shortly. Um, but this is uh you know. [0:05:19, 0:05:24]: It's already done and we just need a a motion to ratify the action taken by the mayor. [0:05:25, 0:05:27]: Question. Mayor. Mr. Mayor. [0:05:28, 0:05:28]: Yeah. [0:05:29, 0:05:32]: Go ahead. Go ahead. Gantt, go ahead. [0:05:33, 0:05:38]: Thank you. I'd like to make a motion to ratify the um urban redevelopment. [0:05:38, 0:05:40]: As as stated by [0:05:40, 0:05:41]: Our city attorney. [0:05:42, 0:05:43]: Questions. [0:05:43, 0:05:43]: Like a [0:05:44, 0:05:47]: Yeah I'd miss the second. [0:05:48, 0:05:50]: I think. [0:05:51, 0:05:56]: I'm sorry, I've I'm hearing two or three people at one time. Who made the second? Mr. Blount made the second. [0:05:57, 0:06:00]: Glenn. Okay, thank you. All right. Questions? [0:06:00, 0:06:08]: Point of order. What what's going on? Go ahead. Did you open the floor for a motion? And then second of all, we have questions for discussion. [0:06:08, 0:06:15]: Yeah, I did open a more yeah yes I did. Okay. All right. I will I have questions. Um in terms of this I have questions. [0:06:16, 0:06:17]: In terms of this um [0:06:17, 0:06:22]: uh easement in this power line. Is this underground utilities? Are they going underground with this? [0:06:23, 0:06:23]: Yes, sir. [0:06:24, 0:06:31]: Okay, so from the current spot right now there will be uh the where the dotted line is indicated, everything will be underground. [0:06:32, 0:06:34]: That that's my understanding, yes, sir. [0:06:34, 0:06:36]: Okay, thank you. [0:06:36, 0:06:38]: Mr. Mayor. Yes sir, go right in, please. [0:06:39, 0:06:48]: I I wanna back up a little bit. I was waiting to the appropriate time to ask a couple of questions. Go right in. Um I I think when you open the meeting up and [0:06:49, 0:07:04]: you appointed yourself and you appointed me as the vice. Um I I I I mean, I I don't have an issue with that. I thought we would have some discussion uh before we got into the agenda because I had a couple of questions I wanted to uh ask Mr. Williams. [0:07:05, 0:07:08]: We'll go ahead and ask him. Okay. So uh Mr. Williams [0:07:09, 0:07:13]: Um going back to I believe it was two tausend five. [0:07:14, 0:07:18]: When the um the inaugural uh URA [0:07:19, 0:07:20]: Um [0:07:21, 0:07:28]: How how was that board appointed? And and my research showed that [0:07:28, 0:07:31]: Uh, that those board members were [0:07:31, 0:07:33]: non elected officials. [0:07:34, 0:07:35]: Um [0:07:35, 0:07:38]: I'm my question is what code [0:07:38, 0:07:46]: uh sort of state that I'm I'm just trying to get some clarification uh on that. I'm I'm trying to uh educate myself as well. [0:07:46, 0:07:51]: Uh because I am a little familiar with the uh original URA board. [0:07:51, 0:08:11]: And it just seems that the way things were appointed, the way members were appointed and the officers were appointed, uh, it seems to be a little different now. Uh can you share that in a light on on the previous, on the inaugural uh URA as far as the um elected, well the offices, if you will. [0:08:11, 0:08:28]: So can you share that history with with all of us? The the only thing I can confirm is that at that point the mayor and council of the city did appoint uh members of the of the community a separate set of people to serve as the URA board. [0:08:28, 0:08:35]: Um how they uh whether the mayor appointed officers at that point, um, I would have to research that. [0:08:36, 0:08:41]: Um so I don't know the answer to that. Um, all I know is what the code provides that. [0:08:41, 0:08:43]: Um if the mayor [0:08:43, 0:08:50]: Uh well, let me just say the mayor should have appointed um officers uh when the board was established originally. [0:08:50, 0:08:55]: Um but whether that was done, I I can't speak to that. We can confirm that. Um but [0:08:56, 0:08:59]: The the original UR URA did meet [0:08:59, 0:09:08]: somewhat regularly during the first several years. And then there was a long gap of time in which it did not meet. [0:09:08, 0:09:26]: And then in two thousand fifteen and um in more recent memory, you all designated the DDA to carry out those functions. So so that's the history is is as much as I can give. But whether the original uh board uh had officers appointed by the mayor, I don't know the answer. [0:09:27, 0:09:32]: Well, I'm just sort of you know, in my research I did not find that and I just wanna make sure [0:09:32, 0:09:35]: uh that we're sort of you know doing this correctly. [0:09:36, 0:09:38]: I would hate for us to have to come back. [0:09:38, 0:09:43]: Um and do some things and we haven't even talked about the swearing in of [0:09:44, 0:09:47]: The council members even as the URA [0:09:47, 0:09:50]: So I you know, just some questions. [0:09:50, 0:09:51]: А сфорс. [0:09:52, 0:09:54]: that I'm sorta having a little issue with. [0:09:54, 0:09:57]: But um I I just wanted to state that for the record. [0:09:58, 0:10:03]: That that's fair enough. And and under the Urban Redevelopment Uh Powers Act. [0:10:03, 0:10:08]: The um the powers are vested in the city. [0:10:08, 0:10:16]: Um and so the the the and then the city is allowed to designate an entity, whether it's a URA or [0:10:16, 0:10:17]: A um [0:10:18, 0:10:26]: A DDA to serve in that capacity as an agency of the city, you you can do that. But when you designate yourself [0:10:26, 0:10:42]: the yourself meaning the mayor and counsel, you've already taken an oath as a mayor and counsel to carry out those duties. So I don't know that I don't believe that a an additional swearing in is necessary in this circumstance. Um, but as it relates to the powers of the [0:10:42, 0:10:51]: uh the mayor to name the officers, that's straight out of the code. I sent uh via email, I sent that out earlier today uh in response to [0:10:51, 0:10:55]: uh in an email by Councilman Alexander. [0:10:56, 0:10:57]: Thank you. [0:10:58, 0:11:01]: Any other questions? Well thank you very much. Any other questions? [0:11:03, 0:11:04]: Okay, los. [0:11:04, 0:11:05]: I think [0:11:05, 0:11:06]: Go right ahead, please. [0:11:07, 0:11:15]: I'm trying to figure out how to form the question. So this URA board, and this is for Mr. Williams. [0:11:16, 0:11:20]: Considering the fact that all of us as council members are now [0:11:21, 0:11:23]: members of this URA. [0:11:24, 0:11:27]: When items are presented to the council [0:11:27, 0:11:29]: I know that they will be [0:11:29, 0:11:30]: Presented [0:11:31, 0:11:33]: Will there be a distinction? [0:11:35, 0:11:36]: Yeah, yeah. [0:11:37, 0:11:39]: Yes, yes, ma'am. And so the [0:11:39, 0:11:47]: Um and that's why, for instance, why this meeting is distinctly separate from a council meeting. This is a meeting of the URA. [0:11:47, 0:11:54]: And so wh whenever and and quite honestly, I I would hope that there won't be [0:11:54, 0:12:14]: too many more meetings of the URA uh um after this vote I'd like to speak to the the next issue um and but after that you know ideally um the URA is is just there to facilitate the financing of City Hall. Um now there down the road there may be other uh areas [0:12:14, 0:12:34]: That you may want the URA to operate in, but that's not envisioned right now in the near future because you already have a number of projects on the agenda, like the Cultural Arts Facility and then of course the amphitheater. But once those are finished, you may want to use the URA to do other things in [0:12:34, 0:12:39]: in in redeveloping areas of the city, but we're not recommending that at this time. [0:12:39, 0:12:40]: Okay. [0:12:40, 0:12:43]: One one more question. Um so [0:12:44, 0:12:50]: Because the city's previous URA board consisted of non elected officials. [0:12:52, 0:12:53]: What specific codes? [0:12:53, 0:12:55]: States are a [0:12:55, 0:12:58]: And the governing body can be one. [0:12:58, 0:13:00]: And the same members. [0:13:00, 0:13:06]: It it's provided in the in the statute that I sent earlier. I sent an excerpt of it. Um [0:13:06, 0:13:11]: And so I I can resend the entire code but but [0:13:11, 0:13:15]: Basically it it it allows the city council [0:13:16, 0:13:18]: The governing body to designate [0:13:18, 0:13:22]: members to serve as the URA and it does not make a [0:13:22, 0:13:27]: Uh, it doesn't set forth any requirements for what that membership looks like. [0:13:27, 0:13:40]: with the one exception of if you choose to have the downtown development authority carry out those powers, then it has to be those members of the DDA. You have to appoint them in the same way you appoint DDA members. [0:13:41, 0:13:43]: But if you choose any other version [0:13:43, 0:13:49]: like using the mayor and council, for instance, or like using a new set of individuals. [0:13:49, 0:13:53]: You have fairly wide discretion to determine how that that is set up. [0:13:54, 0:14:02]: Okay. And and and a number of other cities. I in fact when I first sent out to the you all in your capacity as mayor and council, I sent out some examples. [0:14:02, 0:14:07]: of other cities that just went ahead and designated the mayor and council as the governing body of the URA. [0:14:08, 0:14:11]: Okay, you sent that statue out today. [0:14:12, 0:14:27]: Yeah, send a an excerpt, but I can send the the whole statute out um for s you all to see the entire uh statute um and specifically the provision that says the mayor and council shall determine the composition and terms of office of the URA. [0:14:28, 0:14:28]: Okay. [0:14:29, 0:14:31]: I just hadn't read those today. Thank you. [0:14:32, 0:14:33]: All right. Any other questions? [0:14:34, 0:14:38]: Okay, the motion's been made, it's been seconded. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:14:40, 0:14:46]: Okay. Aye. Aye. All right. I think that's unanimous in that aspect. Okay. [0:14:47, 0:15:07]: That motion passes. Mr. Williams, what else do we have, sir? So this is more of a you know briefing on the nature of a heads up for down the road. Um what we will need the URA to do. So we're not asking for any action on this tonight, other than perhaps you all making a request that. [0:15:07, 0:15:16]: the city staff to undertake a uh to get an actual boundary survey done and I'll I'll explain that in more detail. [0:15:16, 0:15:17]: So the uh [0:15:18, 0:15:24]: Can you all see this map? This is a uh this is from the Henry County Tax Assessors Office. [0:15:25, 0:15:30]: This is the first map that you add up is uh It's the same map. Same map. Oh same map? [0:15:30, 0:15:31]: That's the case name. [0:15:32, 0:15:33]: Okay, hold on, let me [0:15:34, 0:15:40]: Let me make sure I'm getting this right. Uh okay. New share. [0:15:42, 0:15:42]: Yeah. [0:15:44, 0:15:47]: Here we go. Now can you see this? Right. [0:15:48, 0:15:53]: Okay, yes. So of course you all recognize um this is City Hall in the middle. [0:15:54, 0:15:57]: And you know, of course this uh where the fountain property is across the street. [0:15:58, 0:15:59]: So [0:15:59, 0:16:00]: Um what I [0:16:01, 0:16:03]: What you si highlighted. [0:16:03, 0:16:05]: Uh in alternating red and [0:16:05, 0:16:07]: Teal colours. [0:16:07, 0:16:09]: That is [0:16:09, 0:16:11]: What I call the city hall foot. [0:16:11, 0:16:12]: Friend. [0:16:12, 0:16:19]: Um, but it is titled in the name of the URA, and it was that was done as part of the financing for City Hall. [0:16:19, 0:16:22]: So as you know, you are paying annual [0:16:23, 0:16:30]: debt service on City Hall, but it's structured actually as a lease payment that goes through the URA and then the URA pays the bondhold. [0:16:32, 0:16:44]: And so w originally back in two thousand or prior to two thousand five actually, the city um acquired uh this property and and the city also acquired [0:16:44, 0:17:00]: this property here, which is the baseball field behind the church. And of course in more recent years the city has acquired the these three homes on Lee Street, and of course the seven acres back here. [0:17:00, 0:17:02]: Now the three homes on Lee Street. [0:17:02, 0:17:04]: The baseball field. [0:17:04, 0:17:11]: And this large area, the seven acres back here are are all titled in the name of the city of Stockbridge. [0:17:12, 0:17:20]: But this piece as well as this corner piece up here are titled and the name of the urban redevelopment agency. [0:17:20, 0:17:21]: And so [0:17:22, 0:17:28]: Um my recommendation will be that at the appropriate time that the URA [0:17:29, 0:17:29]: They [0:17:30, 0:17:33]: D uh a portion of of this parcel. [0:17:34, 0:17:37]: And it's really the portion wrapping around [0:17:37, 0:17:38]: The the viola. [0:17:40, 0:17:45]: Well, we we we can't convey the city hall piece until the bombs are paid off. [0:17:46, 0:17:54]: Um, but we can convey the pieces that are not necessary for city hall proper. So it'll be an L-shaped. [0:17:55, 0:17:56]: Peace here. [0:17:57, 0:17:59]: Oh, I'm sorry, my [0:18:00, 0:18:08]: So an L-shaped piece here, this piece, this piece, and this corner piece would be conveyed to the city of Stockbridge. [0:18:09, 0:18:11]: Um and the the that [0:18:11, 0:18:14]: And what I'm suggesting is you create a new [0:18:15, 0:18:16]: uh parcel that [0:18:17, 0:18:18]: And if you can follow my cursal [0:18:19, 0:18:21]: cursor. The parcel will follow the footprint. [0:18:21, 0:18:23]: О, амфітеатр. [0:18:24, 0:18:25]: Like this. [0:18:26, 0:18:30]: And you combine that into one parcel titled in the name of the city. [0:18:30, 0:18:40]: Um and the and that would be the amphitheater parcel. And so you'll at the end of the day you'll have two parcels here, one titled in the name of the city, which is the amphitheater. [0:18:40, 0:18:44]: One will continue to be titled in the name of the URA. [0:18:44, 0:18:48]: Um so long as the bonds are outstanding and and the bonds provide for once. [0:18:49, 0:18:49]: Uh the [0:18:50, 0:18:50]: The [0:18:50, 0:18:52]: The debt is paid off. [0:18:52, 0:18:58]: it automatically reverts back to the city. I mean well the mayor were the the chair of the URA at that point. [0:18:58, 0:19:01]: will execute a quick claim deed and and [0:19:01, 0:19:03]: All of it will be titled the name of the city. [0:19:03, 0:19:13]: So I'm gonna be recommending that going forward. We've already had discussions with staff to get a boundary survey specifically as to this piece right here because it it's [0:19:14, 0:19:19]: Um we don't have a separate um legal description for this piece. [0:19:19, 0:19:24]: Um so that's something we can get fairly quickly um and down the road. [0:19:25, 0:19:38]: uh in another couple of months, as soon as we get it back, my recommendations that you reconvene as the URA to authorize the the mayor to execute a quit claim in favor of the city to make that happen. [0:19:39, 0:19:59]: Um in addition to just cleaning up the boundary lines, that will be important um for purposes of financing the amphitheater because um the way that transaction will be structured will be very similar to the way City Hall is structured that uh for the temporary period period in which the [0:19:59, 0:20:06]: the bonds are outstanding for the amphitheater, that will be have to be titled in the name of the public facilities authority. [0:20:06, 0:20:06]: Um [0:20:07, 0:20:17]: un until such time as the bonds are paid off and you will be making an annual lease payment to the the public facilities authority in order to pay debt service on the bonds. So [0:20:18, 0:20:24]: Um I know I've spoken really fast and said a lot, but but I just wanted to give you all an overview of [0:20:24, 0:20:31]: w the property transactions that will be necessary to tee up the financing of the amphitheater. [0:20:32, 0:20:34]: Thank you. Any questions, Mr. Williams? [0:20:36, 0:20:40]: No more questions? Yes, I got questions. I got my hand up, you know. [0:20:41, 0:20:42]: Oh yeah. [0:20:42, 0:20:45]: Yeah, this seems like just you know [0:20:46, 0:21:06]: Moving the marbles around. Tell me, I don't understand what's the advan. I mean, what's the difference between having it under the PFA and then the URA? They're still separate boards, not um entity to the city. So I wanna understand what is the difference of switching it from the URA uh [0:21:06, 0:21:19]: to the PFA. It's still uh there's still separate uh boards that were doing the same thing. Instead of paying the lease payment to the URA, we're paying the lease payment to the PFA. What is the advantages and the disadvantages? [0:21:20, 0:21:40]: So the the the PFA specifically has the authority granted to it by the General Assembly to finance uh recreational facilities like the amphitheater, whereas the URA does not. Um the URA can do city hall and governmental facilities, things of that sort, but the PFA is specifically designed [0:21:40, 0:22:00]: Design to do projects like the Cultural Arts Facility, the Amphitheater, and other park projects that you may want to do down the road, along with governmental facilities. That was one of the reasons why it was created, is to have the specific powers you need to finance. [0:22:00, 0:22:01]: these types of facilities. [0:22:02, 0:22:22]: Okay, so in in other words, what we're doing is that the the PFA has some more uh legal jurisdiction that the URA does not have. So in other words, we still leave City Hall uh with the URA and then finance these new projects uh with the PFA uh with the understanding that [0:22:22, 0:22:36]: that anything going forward other than a specific city building uh would be uh done through the PFA. Is it I guess a possibility we could have uh done this uh the public works facility through the PFA or the URA. [0:22:37, 0:22:43]: Well, so let me let me be more specific about the URA. So the Urban Redevelopment Act. [0:22:43, 0:22:45]: Um but [0:22:45, 0:23:05]: provides that you can exercise these urban redevelopment powers in so called blighted areas, areas that you know have fallen into disrepair and decay and things of that sort. And so in 2005 the the mayor and council at that time made the determination that uh [0:23:05, 0:23:16]: We we they wanted to activate the URA to exercise those powers in this area because at the time it was deemed to be blighted, decayed, etcetera. And so [0:23:17, 0:23:35]: Um, in order to do that somewhere else in the city, you would have to make the same determination and and adopt a redevelopment plan for that area. And so there there's a you know one or two steps you have to do before you you can exercise the powers in whatever new area you create. [0:23:35, 0:23:36]: Um [0:23:36, 0:23:52]: the advantage of the public facilities authority is that you don't have to go through that step. You don't have to make a determination. As long as it's a project that's defined under the powers granted to it under the General Assembly and we ask for them to make it as broad as as possible. [0:23:53, 0:23:57]: Um you can uh you can do that without going through those extra steps. [0:23:58, 0:24:02]: Okay. And do you do you have a map of the URA area? [0:24:03, 0:24:18]: Uh I I should have gotten one. I apologize for that. But the map of the URA is essentially this um area right here, as I recall. Um, but w I will uh we'll search the archives and get that to you. [0:24:19, 0:24:21]: All right, thank you. I'd like to see that. [0:24:21, 0:24:26]: Any other question? Yes, sir. Go right here, please. Uh I have two [0:24:26, 0:24:43]: Two questions for Mr. William. First, um, Mr. William, can you this narrative that you just explained, uh, can you put that in context and send that to uh each of us as it's just information, educational information that we as a body just need to know. Can you do that? [0:24:44, 0:25:04]: Yes, sir. And and in the uh council uh materials that are provided for the council meeting last week, I had maps and and I did do a narrative of this um previously, but I I can recirculate that and expand upon that. Well I guess I guess that was a reference to the question that [0:25:04, 0:25:24]: Mr. Alexander posed as far as the the difference in the uh yeah. My other question is um I I understand that it seems that these properties, the way you just explained it, uh connected to the Citadel Hall, they are pretty much uh contiguous. [0:25:24, 0:25:24]: Yeah. [0:25:24, 0:25:34]: How does the uh cultural art facility and that property, how does that fit into uh the footprint, if if if at all? [0:25:34, 0:25:43]: So um if you look across on on screen, um this piece over here that I've highlighted, and I'll zoom in a little bit. [0:25:43, 0:25:44]: Mm-hmm. [0:25:44, 0:25:47]: This is the the site of the cultural arts facility. [0:25:48, 0:25:48]: Um [0:25:49, 0:25:57]: And uh I won't speak to the other parcels we're hoping to acquire, but uh as it relates to this, um [0:25:58, 0:26:03]: It's already titled in the name of the city of Stockbridge. Assuming you do [0:26:03, 0:26:08]: uh of financing for that piece, then we would utilize the public finance authority. [0:26:08, 0:26:12]: And then enter into a similar arrangement where [0:26:12, 0:26:17]: we would convey it to them and lease it back and the lease payments would be the debt service on the bonds. [0:26:18, 0:26:18]: Thank you. [0:26:19, 0:26:23]: I yield back, Mr. Mayor. No problem. Thank you, sir. Any other questions from Mr. Williams? [0:26:26, 0:26:30]: No other questions. Ms. Williams, anything else uh for our meeting this evening? [0:26:30, 0:26:39]: W that that is all I have. Um and again, it's not that we need a vote, um, but um my recommendation will be [0:26:39, 0:26:47]: that uh you know the URA essentially requests the staff prepare the boundary surveys necessary to effectuate these transactions. [0:26:48, 0:26:55]: Uh we've already had the the conversation with with um with the city manager and and uh Miss Moore, but you know [0:26:55, 0:26:56]: Please do. [0:26:56, 0:27:01]: I mean I would imagine that the the entire council say yes, absolutely. [0:27:02, 0:27:02]: Yes. [0:27:03, 0:27:04]: Absolutely. [0:27:04, 0:27:05]: Yes. [0:27:06, 0:27:07]: Yeah. [0:27:07, 0:27:10]: We'll we'll make it happen. Thank you very much, sir. [0:27:10, 0:27:18]: All right. Well on that note, since the special call meeting, I don't have anything else. That's all we have to do with uh this evening. So uh motion to adjourn the meeting. [0:27:18, 0:27:20]: Solo [0:27:20, 0:27:23]: Okay. Thanks. Alexander is a second. [0:27:24, 0:27:25]: Cosmogent, second. [0:27:26, 0:27:26]: Yes. [0:27:26, 0:27:29]: Okay. Okay. All fair please indicate. [0:27:31, 0:27:35]: Good night folks and be safe. God bless you. Have a good evening.

--- title: July 28 2020 Work Session Meeting date: 2020-07-28 source: 2020-07-28_July_28_2020_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:13]: And um I'd like to call the meeting to order. This is the council work session Tuesday, July 28th. And on that note, um Mayor Pro Tem Thomas, could you please give us the invocation? [0:00:25, 0:00:26]: Uh Mayor Potem Thomas. [0:00:32, 0:00:36]: I I had it on mute. Okay. Go ahead, sir. Appreciate it. Okay. [0:00:36, 0:00:37]: Thank you, Mayor. [0:00:38, 0:00:39]: Let let us pray. [0:00:40, 0:00:41]: Yeah. [0:00:41, 0:00:44]: Oh Heavenly Father, we thank you for [0:00:44, 0:00:45]: The breath of life. [0:00:47, 0:00:50]: And the many blessings you bestow upon. [0:00:50, 0:00:51]: Us every day. [0:00:53, 0:00:56]: Father, we seek your wisdom daily. [0:00:57, 0:01:00]: Be with the city of Stockbridge Council and [0:01:00, 0:01:03]: А з вимей тоф десиз. [0:01:03, 0:01:05]: That affect the lives [0:01:06, 0:01:08]: And the future of others. [0:01:10, 0:01:11]: May truth be [0:01:12, 0:01:14]: Бе конестone. [0:01:14, 0:01:18]: Of this council's policy making process. [0:01:19, 0:01:23]: Provide this council with the necessary tools. [0:01:23, 0:01:26]: To carry out the job we were elected to do. [0:01:27, 0:01:31]: Almighty God, we know that everything is in your sovereign control. [0:01:32, 0:01:39]: We ask that you comfort the families who are infected with COVID nineteen facing quarantine. [0:01:41, 0:01:45]: We lift to you our concerns for our children. [0:01:45, 0:01:46]: The elderly [0:01:47, 0:01:49]: And people with chronic health conditions. [0:01:50, 0:01:52]: Protect them from harm. [0:01:52, 0:01:54]: And be their comfort. [0:01:54, 0:01:56]: In this time of uncertainty. [0:01:57, 0:02:03]: Take away the fears, the anxiety, and the feelings of isolation. [0:02:04, 0:02:07]: O Heavenly Father, have mercy on this earth. [0:02:08, 0:02:11]: And Father, we thank you for [0:02:11, 0:02:12]: Send in [0:02:13, 0:02:15]: John R. Lewis Awai. [0:02:16, 0:02:17]: In Jesus' name we pray. [0:02:18, 0:02:19]: Amen. [0:02:19, 0:02:19]: Amen. [0:02:20, 0:02:23]: All right, uh could we please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? [0:02:28, 0:02:33]: Pledge to the flag of the United States of America. [0:02:33, 0:02:37]: And to the republic for which it stands. [0:02:37, 0:02:43]: One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:02:45, 0:02:46]: All right. [0:02:46, 0:02:48]: Madam Clerk, roll call, please. [0:02:50, 0:02:50]: [175.8, 177.5]: Mayor Ford? Present. [0:02:58, 0:02:59]: Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. [0:03:00, 0:03:00]: President. [0:03:01, 0:03:02]: Councilman Alexander. [0:03:03, 0:03:03]: Well, [0:03:04, 0:03:05]: Councilwoman Barber. [0:03:05, 0:03:06]: I see [0:03:07, 0:03:08]: Councilman Blount. [0:03:09, 0:03:10]: Paso. [0:03:10, 0:03:12]: Councilwoman Gantt. [0:03:12, 0:03:13]: Well, I think [0:03:14, 0:03:15]: Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. [0:03:15, 0:03:17]: Thank you. Appreciate that. Um [0:03:18, 0:03:18]: Pleasant. [0:03:19, 0:03:29]: Uh council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda. Mayor Pro Tem Thomas, if you can do this, please. And also in your motion, sir, I've been informed that number uh seven. [0:03:30, 0:03:31]: And number nine. [0:03:31, 0:03:45]: have additional information and that we'll like to take that off the agenda for day for tonight and uh have it on the next agenda at our next meeting uh in a few weeks. It's number seven and number nine. Request that that uh be taken off in your uh motion. [0:03:45, 0:03:47]: Excuse me. [0:03:47, 0:03:53]: Yeah, it needs to be moved. It needs to be removed. Yes, sir. It needs to be removed uh for tonight and it'll come on at our next meeting. [0:03:53, 0:03:54]: Uh in a couple of weeks from now. [0:03:55, 0:03:58]: Okay, uh Mayor and Council, I'd like to motion [0:03:59, 0:04:01]: to um amend the agenda [0:04:02, 0:04:04]: uh to remove well to add [0:04:05, 0:04:06]: Um [0:04:07, 0:04:10]: to item ten, the motion to [0:04:10, 0:04:11]: Reconsider [0:04:12, 0:04:14]: RFP 2020 [0:04:14, 0:04:18]: Dash zero zero zero one six p [0:04:19, 0:04:20]: And to add [0:04:21, 0:04:23]: Uh agenda item eleven. [0:04:23, 0:04:26]: A resolution designating [0:04:26, 0:04:30]: Mayor and Council as the board members of the URA. [0:04:31, 0:04:33]: And to remove agenda items. [0:04:33, 0:04:36]: Seven and nine. [0:04:37, 0:04:42]: There are second. Second. All right. All in favor of motion, please indicate. [0:04:44, 0:05:04]: All right. Thank you very much. On that note. Review the minutes for the following meetings. June 8th, 2020, that was a council meeting. June 23rd, 2020 would be the work session. And also minutes from the June 29th. [0:05:04, 0:05:05]: Night council. [0:05:06, 0:05:18]: Okay, councill Council meeting looks here as well. Uh what it amounts to though, folks, is that these review those minutes and then uh we'll vote on those minutes at our next meeting to accept them at this time. [0:05:18, 0:05:20]: At that time, excuse me. [0:05:20, 0:05:23]: Uh clerk, are there any public comments at all? [0:05:28, 0:05:48]: There were no public comments. Okay, on that note then uh let's go to the first item. Uh new business council consideration to approve change order number two, WWTP Glenn Addy Pump Station Rehabilitation Project and amount of$283,481.61. [0:05:48, 0:05:56]: funding source wastewater uh fund bad uh balance. Uh Mr. Aaron and uh Brad Holston, please. [0:05:57, 0:06:00]: Mayor Ford, let me see if Mr. Aaron can get connected. [0:06:01, 0:06:01]: Yeah. [0:06:02, 0:06:04]: Mr. Aaron, can you do you have audio? [0:06:09, 0:06:12]: I think Mr. Aaron's audio is attempting to be connected. [0:06:16, 0:06:19]: And for the purposes uh for the council [0:06:20, 0:06:23]: uh in citizens we also have um [0:06:24, 0:06:26]: As staff members on tonight. [0:06:26, 0:06:28]: Uh myself is Randy Knight and the city manager. [0:06:29, 0:06:32]: John Wigan's a treasurer, Camilla Moore, assistant city manager. [0:06:33, 0:06:36]: Vanessa Holiday, City Clerk, Mike Williams, City Attorney. [0:06:37, 0:06:38]: Brad Holtzinger. [0:06:38, 0:06:40]: Other superintendent. [0:06:40, 0:06:45]: And we also have um Eugene Plummer with Interdev. [0:06:45, 0:06:48]: And Lindell Miller, procurement manager. [0:06:48, 0:07:01]: We also have with us this evening Carl Trevathan and uh Eric Pitts who work with Kek and Wood um for another item if in fact they have if if in fact the council has any technical questions. [0:07:02, 0:07:04]: on that potential item later. [0:07:04, 0:07:05]: This evening. Mr. Arring. [0:07:07, 0:07:08]: Please unmute yourself. [0:07:12, 0:07:13]: There you go. Outstanding. [0:07:18, 0:07:22]: Mr. Aaron, we w would come to consideration for the change order. [0:07:22, 0:07:24]: Renati pump state. [0:07:26, 0:07:32]: Oh, can you hear me? For some reason the microphone is not working on the computer. We hear you now. [0:07:32, 0:07:33]: Yes. [0:07:33, 0:07:33]: Okay. [0:07:36, 0:07:42]: Uh yes, sir. I'll let Mr. Brad Holzinger, the sewer superintendent, speak to this change order for the Glen Addy. [0:07:42, 0:07:44]: pump station and wastewater plant. [0:07:44, 0:07:45]: Rehabilitation. [0:07:46, 0:07:48]: Mr. this is the valves, correct? [0:07:49, 0:07:50]: Yes, sir, it is. [0:07:50, 0:07:53]: These are uh valves that let sewage [0:07:54, 0:07:58]: and the water treated in and out of the wastewater treatment plant. [0:07:59, 0:08:00]: There are [0:08:00, 0:08:11]: One, two, three, four, five, six valves, I believe. They're all electronic. They operate uh four seven when we're not there. [0:08:12, 0:08:20]: They're thirty years old. We've had issues with'em. And when you have an issue with this when you're not there, sewage can back up. [0:08:21, 0:08:24]: You know, what we all know what happens when sewage backs up. [0:08:25, 0:08:31]: So we would like to consider replace uh the s council to consider replacing these. [0:08:31, 0:08:34]: Uh, so vital part of the treatment process. [0:08:35, 0:08:40]: All right. Any questions for Mr. Brad Holsinger, Council? [0:08:40, 0:08:42]: Well, Mr. Ern, do you need to add anything else into this? [0:08:43, 0:08:44]: No, sir. [0:08:44, 0:08:45]: All right. [0:08:46, 0:08:47]: Questions council? [0:08:48, 0:08:51]: Yes sir. Yes sir. Uh oh, I got some questions. [0:08:52, 0:09:02]: Well the question I want to have is that uh we're going through and we're embarking upon uh several um infrastructure improvements. Talk about how this fits into the long-term plan. [0:09:03, 0:09:05]: And tell me that this is not just a [0:09:05, 0:09:07]: Short term patch or situation. [0:09:07, 0:09:10]: What is the long term plan for? [0:09:10, 0:09:13]: sustainable water system that is operating at a high level. [0:09:16, 0:09:21]: Oh well your current treatment wastewater treatment facility is over thirty years old. [0:09:21, 0:09:28]: And it's coming into the end of life cycle for a lot of the equipment at the wastewater treatment plant. And as part of this upgrade, we replaced [0:09:29, 0:09:34]: pretty much their entire treatment process and this is the final phase of that process. [0:09:34, 0:09:36]: And we don't want to leave. [0:09:36, 0:09:40]: and have everything else done and and renewed and have this old [0:09:40, 0:09:41]: piece of equipment. [0:09:42, 0:09:45]: as part of the treatment process and have an issue with it. [0:09:45, 0:09:48]: So this would get us another thirty plus year. [0:09:49, 0:09:55]: Wastewater is very corrosive, has a low pH in it and it wreaks havoc on the equipment over the years. [0:09:58, 0:09:59]: Okay. [0:10:00, 0:10:01]: Any other questions? [0:10:02, 0:10:10]: I I I don't I'm not sure whether that answered my question or not. In terms of the overall long-term plan. [0:10:11, 0:10:14]: Is this part of the long term plan? Is is this a fix? [0:10:15, 0:10:17]: Yes, so this is part of a long term [0:10:17, 0:10:20]: plan and process that we have in place. [0:10:20, 0:10:25]: we'll start beginning in the collection system. Our goal was to get the wastewater treatment plant [0:10:26, 0:10:32]: updated to current standards because the equipment we have now is outdated. So this is part of the process we started [0:10:32, 0:10:35]: at the treatment process if you look at it like your heart. [0:10:36, 0:10:43]: Now we've made some repairs to the heart. Now we gotta go out into the arteries and valves, which is your collection system and lift stations. [0:10:44, 0:10:46]: And we're making those improvements as well. [0:10:47, 0:11:00]: Okay, in terms of uh this uh the life scale of this uh this is going to uh so this is going to give us uh sustained operations for what how many number of years? [0:11:01, 0:11:08]: Well, the current valves that we're replacing have been in the ground for thirty years. So we're hoping to get another thirty years out of the new one. [0:11:09, 0:11:10]: Okay, thank you. [0:11:12, 0:11:20]: If there's no other questions for Brad or Mr. Aaron, I just need a motion to um accept this uh proposal. [0:11:23, 0:11:24]: Is there a motion? [0:11:26, 0:11:27]: Yeah it [0:11:28, 0:11:33]: Ms. Gantt, uh your hands Miss Gantt, you move me. [0:11:34, 0:11:37]: A second. There we go, Miss Barber. Okay. Any further discussion? [0:11:38, 0:11:40]: And if not all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:11:42, 0:11:44]: Thank you. Okay, fantastic. [0:11:45, 0:11:59]: Uh council consideration to approve task order number 20 with Carter and Sloop, Burke Street Sewer Main Rehabilitation and amount of eighty thousand five hundred eighty dollars. Funding source water and sewer fund balance. Mr. Aaron and Brad, once again, please. [0:12:00, 0:12:08]: Yes, Mr. Mayor. This is part of our upgrade to our collection system. This part of the system dates back to the early sixties. [0:12:08, 0:12:13]: It was top of the art when it was put in, but these manholes are made out of brick. [0:12:13, 0:12:16]: And over the years the hydrogen sulfide from the sewage has [0:12:17, 0:12:22]: started to decay the mortar and the bricks and we're having them fall into the collection system and get [0:12:23, 0:12:29]: caught and trapped in a line so that if we have a backup we'll be unable to clear it because of the obstruction. [0:12:29, 0:12:32]: with the bricks that have fallen into the soil line. [0:12:33, 0:12:33]: Okay. [0:12:34, 0:12:36]: Any questions for Mr. Ern? [0:12:38, 0:12:39]: Anybody questions? [0:12:40, 0:12:42]: If not, I need a motion to accept the proposal. [0:12:43, 0:12:43]: So moved. [0:12:44, 0:12:44]: Is there a second? [0:12:46, 0:12:53]: Yes, Barber, Barber second. Okay. Got your hand there. All right. Further discussion. If not, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:12:54, 0:12:56]: Fantastic, you know it's all right. [0:12:58, 0:13:07]: Council consideration approved change order number four for the Davis Road Sidewalk Phase One Project, an amount of thirty-one thousand seven hundred twenty-four dollars and ninety-two cents. [0:13:08, 0:13:09]: Funding source grant funding [0:13:10, 0:13:11]: And Mr. Aaron, please. [0:13:12, 0:13:16]: Yes, Mr. Mayor, the city received a transportation enhancement grant in the amount of [0:13:17, 0:13:19]: Six hundred and forty five thousand dollars. [0:13:19, 0:13:24]: This is a change that was recommended by G Dot who provided a grant to the city. [0:13:24, 0:13:32]: This was to make some changes to a retaining wall on Davis Road. So this will finalize the project. We're still on the budget. [0:13:32, 0:13:37]: It will bring the project up to five hundred and fifty thousand nine hundred and fifty three dollars and [0:13:37, 0:13:38]: Sixty seven cents. [0:13:40, 0:13:40]: All right. [0:13:41, 0:13:43]: Thank you. Any questions from Mr. Aaron? [0:13:45, 0:13:47]: Any questions? If not, any motion, council. [0:13:48, 0:13:51]: I do have one question. Okay, go right in, please. [0:13:51, 0:13:57]: Um for Mr. Aaron. Is this to finish off the sidewalks that we began last year? [0:13:59, 0:14:04]: Yes, ma'am, this is phase one of the Davis Road Sidewalk Project and this will complete phase one. [0:14:04, 0:14:06]: Okay. Okay. [0:14:06, 0:14:09]: Any other questions for Mr. Yes ma'am? [0:14:09, 0:14:14]: I just needed Mr. Aaron to repeat the number of the five hundred and ninety nine thousand [0:14:15, 0:14:16]: Number is [0:14:17, 0:14:21]: It's five hundred and fifty thousand nine hundred and fifty three dollars. [0:14:21, 0:14:23]: And sixty seven cents. [0:14:23, 0:14:24]: Okay. [0:14:25, 0:14:25]: Thank you. [0:14:28, 0:14:28]: Okay. [0:14:28, 0:14:46]: Yes, sir, Mr. Ms. Alexander. Yes, sir. I uh in regards Mr. Knighton, this is one of this is one of the projects that's been on the board for a long time. But I'm not sure. Do we ever share this with the community? And what are the plans to share this information on improving connectivity in the city? [0:14:50, 0:14:58]: But I think uh to answer your question, Councilman Alexander, in total, I think when when this phase is completed or this will close out this phase. [0:14:59, 0:15:13]: I think we can uh certainly provide a press release to the city and some additional information with respect to the grant that we received through GDOT uh for the uh project. I think also um related to that and similar to a discussion we had [0:15:14, 0:15:17]: A couple of weeks ago related to some other um [0:15:17, 0:15:30]: opportunities for connectivity via grants that we are receiving and also potentially perhaps through a Peace PLOS, I think we can have further conversations with the community about overall connectivity throughout the city. [0:15:30, 0:15:32]: I think given the um [0:15:32, 0:15:35]: the timing of this and also um [0:15:35, 0:15:37]: Again what we [0:15:37, 0:15:38]: anticipate may be [0:15:39, 0:15:43]: А сам тип о ТІСПЛАС референдум некщір. [0:15:43, 0:15:49]: I think it would be ample time to have conversations uh with members of the community about connectivity overall. [0:15:50, 0:15:51]: We do. [0:15:52, 0:15:53]: Any other questions for Mr. Aaron? [0:15:54, 0:15:57]: If not any motion to accept uh this proposal. [0:15:58, 0:15:59]: Come on, yeah. [0:15:59, 0:16:08]: Okay, so move was uh Barber, that was you. Okay, second. Sorry. Alexander, okay. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor of motion, please indicate. [0:16:09, 0:16:12]: Okay. Fantastic. Yeah. Mr. Alexander, I'm the second. [0:16:13, 0:16:15]: Yes, Ms. Alzheimer's on a second. Thank you. [0:16:17, 0:16:24]: Council consideration to approve the purchase of a calibr a calipillar model three sixty hydraulic excavator under state contract. [0:16:25, 0:16:37]: Nine nine nine nine nine dash zero zero one dash spd dash zero zero zero zero zero one zero two from Yancy Brothers Incorporation amount of seventy eight thousand six hundred fifty three dollars. [0:16:37, 0:16:43]: Uh funding source water department budget, 50,326 and sewer department fund balance. [0:16:44, 0:16:47]: Twenty eight thousand three hundred twenty thousand eighty four cents. [0:16:47, 0:16:49]: Uh Miss Miller and Mr Aaron, please. [0:16:50, 0:16:58]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. The procurement division is requesting council approval to piggyback and award a contract to Yancy Brothers Company. [0:16:58, 0:17:09]: Uh it's the state of Georgia uh contract, our procurement number will be 2020025 for the amount of$78,652. [0:17:11, 0:17:14]: Any questions for Ms. Miller Council? Ms. Alzheimer's go ahead. [0:17:15, 0:17:17]: I would like for the public works director to speak. [0:17:18, 0:17:27]: We're spending this m money, what is the benefit to the community so everybody understands what the truck what's the what's the truck going to do and what service is it going to perform? [0:17:28, 0:17:34]: Well the benefit is currently the city has have some water and sewer mains that our current equipment cannot [0:17:35, 0:17:39]: reach those level if we had an emergency water main break or sewer [0:17:39, 0:17:42]: lime braid, we would have to go out and rent that equipment. [0:17:43, 0:17:44]: And m as most of us know [0:17:45, 0:17:46]: water and sewer. [0:17:46, 0:17:55]: incidents don't occur during a normal working hour. So if we had an incident, we didn't have the equipment excavated, we'll be in a a dire situation. [0:17:55, 0:17:59]: So this will allow us to dig down the water mains that are eighteen to twenty feet deep. [0:18:01, 0:18:05]: Okay. Thank you. Any further questions for Mr. Aaron or Ms. Miller? [0:18:06, 0:18:10]: If not council, I need a motion to accept this proposal. [0:18:10, 0:18:11]: Some move. [0:18:11, 0:18:13]: Ms. Alexander, second. [0:18:14, 0:18:16]: I think Must Mar second that. [0:18:16, 0:18:18]: All right, all in favor of motion, please indicate. [0:18:19, 0:18:20]: Right, fantastic. [0:18:20, 0:18:21]: Okay. [0:18:22, 0:18:24]: On that note, um next is uh actually Mayor Pro Ten. [0:18:25, 0:18:26]: You added this to agenda. [0:18:26, 0:18:28]: Sir, so I need go right ahead. [0:18:28, 0:18:30]: Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um [0:18:31, 0:18:34]: I am coming forward with a motion to [0:18:34, 0:18:38]: Uh reconsider an item [0:18:38, 0:18:41]: Uh that was approved at our last meeting. [0:18:41, 0:18:43]: Uh which is um [0:18:45, 0:18:47]: R F P twenty twenty. [0:18:47, 0:18:50]: Uh dash zero zero one six. [0:18:51, 0:18:51]: Yeah. [0:18:52, 0:18:54]: That deals with the uh office. [0:18:55, 0:18:57]: uh construction configurement [0:18:58, 0:18:58]: And [0:18:59, 0:19:01]: My concern here is [0:19:01, 0:19:03]: As a consideration of [0:19:05, 0:19:10]: You know, all of the financial obligations that we have talked about, capital projects. [0:19:11, 0:19:14]: Uh and many other things, and I know um [0:19:14, 0:19:18]: Um had been asked to meet to [0:19:18, 0:19:23]: uh discuss and review some of the uh budget items which it has not happened. [0:19:23, 0:19:27]: Um and I I just think that we need to [0:19:27, 0:19:31]: Uh because of COVID number one, I think we need to come back and look at [0:19:32, 0:19:36]: uh revenue for the first quarter of twenty twenty one. [0:19:36, 0:19:39]: Uh we have not discussed bonding in a while. [0:19:40, 0:19:43]: So it's just a lot of things that are not clear. [0:19:44, 0:19:46]: As to how we would go forward uh financial [0:19:48, 0:19:49]: Also um [0:19:50, 0:19:54]: And looking at especially county and seeing how the county [0:19:55, 0:19:58]: has uh refitted that change needed. [0:19:58, 0:20:02]: And I don't know Mr. Nine, I don't know when we're going to do face to face. [0:20:02, 0:20:06]: Um, I don't know if we're going to have Zoom meetings for the rest of the year. [0:20:07, 0:20:09]: Uh but I know for me even in uh [0:20:09, 0:20:10]: What are you? [0:20:10, 0:20:12]: А тек ви хав тобі проактиві. [0:20:13, 0:20:14]: And um and news. [0:20:15, 0:20:17]: Mm flexiclass or something. [0:20:17, 0:20:19]: And uh we have not had any of those discussions. [0:20:20, 0:20:23]: And so I I just think it's a little premature to [0:20:23, 0:20:27]: uh get into this experience without having a clear coming forward. [0:20:27, 0:20:29]: uh how we can finance [0:20:29, 0:20:31]: Not only this project. [0:20:31, 0:20:34]: As is other projects as well. [0:20:34, 0:20:36]: And I just think we need to um [0:20:36, 0:20:39]: Uh what's the schedule and I and I guess [0:20:39, 0:20:42]: Uh sometime doing the budget retreat. [0:20:42, 0:20:49]: that we may can uh revisit this and and move forward. But this is my reason for my reconsideration. So [0:20:49, 0:20:51]: Uh I moved to um [0:20:52, 0:20:56]: reconsider this and I don't know Mr. Mayor if you would put this to a vote, how you would do that, but [0:20:57, 0:21:10]: Um that that is my motion uh to reconsider. Well, actually uh I'd like for Mr. Nighton to further explain the reason why this is happening to give more maybe more clarity to say if that's all right, Mr. Nighting, please address that please. [0:21:12, 0:21:20]: Well, Mayor, I don't know if I can address it um specifically. Um obviously this was item that was approved at the previous meeting. [0:21:20, 0:21:25]: And uh obviously Mayor Pro Tem Thomas has raised some concerns about funding overall. [0:21:25, 0:21:31]: Um and so um obviously if the council wants us to have those discussions [0:21:31, 0:21:35]: in terms of funding overall and or retrofitting of buildings and so forth. [0:21:36, 0:21:39]: Um ideally those things would happen uh or we [0:21:39, 0:21:43]: generally have happened at budget retreats where we've had a comprehensive [0:21:43, 0:21:51]: uh discussion about funding overall. Obviously in this particular case, we could have a separate conversation about this specifically. [0:21:51, 0:21:58]: Um but um that uh probably is all I can add at the moment with respect to that item. Of course this item [0:21:58, 0:22:17]: was the one that would have uh created, I believe it was uh five or six office spaces down in the finance area. And that was uh the intent behind that was to create some additional office spaces um uh in City Hall for a couple of positions and also for uh some future growth as well. [0:22:17, 0:22:21]: When was that scheduled to start originally, the reconstruction of that? [0:22:21, 0:22:22]: Right. [0:22:23, 0:22:26]: Uh we were gonna move on it pretty quickly. [0:22:26, 0:22:29]: Um like within the next uh perhaps. [0:22:29, 0:22:33]: The next week to two weeks. Uh Dash just may be able to speak more to that, but [0:22:34, 0:22:36]: Oh okay, Miss Aaron, can you answer? [0:22:37, 0:22:43]: Yes, uh I spoke with Gary Smith, facility supervisor this afternoon. They're scheduled to start on Thursday. [0:22:43, 0:22:44]: Okay. Wow. [0:22:45, 0:22:51]: All right. And then our course our budget retreat wasn't set for until sometime in September or August here. When we were gonna do that. [0:22:52, 0:23:00]: Right. It would be or early to mid September. I'm looking at uh specific dates, given obviously the current situation we're in with the COVID nineteen, it [0:23:01, 0:23:11]: We're trying to determine how that would take place in terms of perhaps virtual meetings over the course of a couple of days, since uh we likely would not be able to meet in person. [0:23:12, 0:23:22]: All right. Well council obviously Mayor Potem has a concern, but we've already passed this, it's gonna move forward as you heard, unless there's some inkling that uh we should shortstop this and have further discussion. [0:23:22, 0:23:27]: So uh Mr. Alzheimer, go ahead please. Uh yes, uh I wanna ask um [0:23:29, 0:23:37]: My my whole issue with this situation is is that is this part of the long-term plan, just like I asked about. [0:23:37, 0:23:42]: uh what the situation was with the water treatment plan or is it a stop gap? [0:23:43, 0:23:48]: So I haven't heard anything about office space for the economic development director. [0:23:49, 0:23:50]: That is what that [0:23:51, 0:24:03]: So in terms of that person and then having some future growth in that department and other areas in the city,'cause to me, if you're gonna do five offices, the city hall was built [0:24:04, 0:24:05]: to a certain capacity. [0:24:05, 0:24:09]: Uh, a as the city plans on growing, there will need to be [0:24:09, 0:24:11]: Yeah, this this council has often talked about [0:24:12, 0:24:14]: uh expanding uh and uh [0:24:15, 0:24:16]: Having um [0:24:17, 0:24:19]: annex or what have you to be able to [0:24:20, 0:24:22]: uh accommodate the growth for the staff. [0:24:22, 0:24:37]: There's is this anticipating growth or is it just anticipating just shuffling people around to uh what we have now?'Cause I don't think uh you know, I think what really happened was uh in terms of the city council, our office is what [0:24:37, 0:24:41]: shuffled around and given to someone else. So um [0:24:42, 0:24:46]: Is it just kind of shuffling things around and what is the long term plan? [0:24:46, 0:24:49]: The growth. This is my concern'cause it seems like [0:24:49, 0:24:52]: This was never really discussed with the city council. [0:24:52, 0:24:56]: It was brought upon us. We test the staff with doing numerous. [0:24:57, 0:25:01]: uh other projects. This project was not on the list, but it emerged. [0:25:01, 0:25:02]: From out of nowhere. [0:25:03, 0:25:08]: in which I had never heard anything about it. So yes, I do share some of those concerns. [0:25:09, 0:25:10]: Mr. Mayor. [0:25:10, 0:25:12]: Yes, sir. Uh go ahead, Map Protein. [0:25:13, 0:25:13]: Uh [0:25:13, 0:25:15]: The fact that I have [0:25:16, 0:25:18]: made this motion to reconsider [0:25:19, 0:25:24]: Um it is upon you to put this out for uh vote. [0:25:24, 0:25:26]: That's what reconsideration means. [0:25:27, 0:25:34]: Yeah, well I understand I I didn't ask for a second. It hadn't been seconded as we were discussing it. So I'll tell you what, uh is there a second to that particular motion? [0:25:34, 0:25:35]: Second. [0:25:35, 0:25:38]: All right, uh Mr. Alexander, second that motion. [0:25:38, 0:25:40]: Uh Councilman Blount, go ahead, sir. [0:25:41, 0:25:42]: Yeah, can you hear me? [0:25:42, 0:25:44]: Yeah, go go ahead. I got you. [0:25:45, 0:25:49]: Yeah, I you know, I agree with Councilman Alexander, we have tasked uh staff of [0:25:50, 0:25:52]: to do uh quite a few um [0:25:53, 0:25:56]: you know, for on a quite a few items and we have talked about [0:25:56, 0:26:01]: having an annex, but I I do realize myself because I questioned [0:26:01, 0:26:07]: this very item and one of the things that we have to realize is City Hall when it was created and built [0:26:07, 0:26:12]: that the square footage per areas that it has, it has a lot of areas that [0:26:12, 0:26:14]: are not being utilized. [0:26:14, 0:26:20]: Uh, it's too much walkable area in so many but that could be off the space and so I think that [0:26:20, 0:26:21]: When we look at uh [0:26:22, 0:26:31]: what we're trying to bring on. I think that these offices within city hall in those areas that are s square footage that are not being used. I mean, we got [0:26:31, 0:26:47]: We got whole storage spaces sitting next to windows with nothing but walkable walkable areas. And so it's so much walkable area around City Hall that I think it's I think it's uh good to staff the to to recognize this and and and to bring those into making offices. [0:26:47, 0:26:49]: uh to to uh [0:26:49, 0:26:53]: for for whatever staff we're getting to bring on. We got a lot going on with the city and so [0:26:53, 0:26:57]: to utilize the city hall area to his max and then we talked about [0:26:58, 0:27:03]: We did talk about uh having an an uh an annex for the city and so when the uses of that [0:27:03, 0:27:08]: uh but the need and the use for that to to arise come up, I'm I'm all for it one percent. [0:27:08, 0:27:12]: But I think that we should maximize City Hall with the uh [0:27:12, 0:27:17]: uh with the space there's so much walkability around city hall that's not being used. [0:27:19, 0:27:19]: Okay. [0:27:20, 0:27:21]: Miss Aaron, you uh [0:27:21, 0:27:25]: Okay, I'll back up. Hold on one second please. Councilman Mormon Barber, go ahead, please. [0:27:26, 0:27:31]: Yes, thank you, Mayor. Um when this item came up at the last city council meeting. [0:27:32, 0:27:34]: I was the only one to oppose it. [0:27:34, 0:27:38]: I opposed it because the way it was presented was [0:27:38, 0:27:39]: These off spaces. [0:27:40, 0:27:44]: One was needed for a paternity assistant. [0:27:44, 0:27:48]: Another one was needed for a big organ for pyramids. [0:27:49, 0:27:51]: Another one was needed for you. [0:27:51, 0:27:54]: New economic development director. [0:27:54, 0:27:57]: And a couple other extra offices. [0:27:58, 0:27:59]: The way it was presented [0:27:59, 0:28:01]: Was it that? [0:28:01, 0:28:06]: Staff were working close together and they were sharing spaces. [0:28:06, 0:28:10]: So they wanted to build or construct new offices. [0:28:10, 0:28:12]: To separate them. [0:28:12, 0:28:14]: I opposed it for that reason. [0:28:15, 0:28:17]: posed it because I'm not there. [0:28:17, 0:28:20]: is not working in the office. [0:28:21, 0:28:22]: Yeah, working from home. [0:28:22, 0:28:24]: We don't need these right now. [0:28:24, 0:28:25]: We don't. [0:28:25, 0:28:31]: In the future we we can revisit them. So I do agree with Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. [0:28:32, 0:28:36]: Let's discuss them again um during our fall retreat. [0:28:36, 0:28:40]: But I like to second the motion to reconsider this. [0:28:40, 0:28:42]: So that this doesn't move forward. [0:28:44, 0:28:48]: All right, uh Mr. Aaron, you're lit up. [0:28:50, 0:28:56]: No? You talking to me, Mayor? Uh no, I was talking to Mr. Aaron because I saw his his light lit up. I didn't know if he needed something to add in or not. [0:28:57, 0:29:01]: No, sir. Okay, all right. Uh Councilman Blunge, you have something additional, sir? Go ahead. [0:29:02, 0:29:03]: Yeah, you know [0:29:03, 0:29:05]: And I take everybody [0:29:05, 0:29:08]: you know, suggestions and everything, consideration. But when it comes to [0:29:09, 0:29:13]: documents when it comes to things in these different departments, I pr I would prefer to see [0:29:13, 0:29:16]: uh offices instead of uh uh partitions. [0:29:17, 0:29:21]: Uh anytime and if we're able to make those provisions to make actual offices that we have [0:29:22, 0:29:24]: documents or whatever needs to be in those offices versus [0:29:25, 0:29:27]: uh anybody coming through and and and [0:29:27, 0:29:33]: see in a file cabinet and a partition, uh, I think that we should move forward with getting offices. That's just me. [0:29:34, 0:29:42]: All right. Uh Mr. Aaron or Mr. Aaron, let me ask you this. If by chance the council wants to reconsider us tonight and we put and we push this back [0:29:42, 0:29:52]: to a later time frame to discuss it. How is that going to affect the timeline uh in reference to you said it's supposed to start on Thursday. You got contractors already laid out. I mean, how's how does that affect that? [0:29:54, 0:29:58]: I think Miss Miller probably could speak to that in that it was a state contractor. [0:29:59, 0:29:59]: Okay. [0:30:00, 0:30:02]: And I don't know how that'll affect the procurement part of it. [0:30:03, 0:30:16]: Ms. Miller, can you explain that please? Yes, we would um need the city attorney to um probably give us a legal opinion because we've issued a uh a purchase order, which is a legal contractual um agreement. [0:30:17, 0:30:19]: They have already um [0:30:20, 0:30:33]: mobilized. Um so I will refer it over to the city attorney and he can um look over the documents and have to um speak with the contractors. I don't know what type of cost they've already um [0:30:34, 0:30:35]: Expensed. [0:30:35, 0:30:37]: Um, but I do know a purchase order was already issued. [0:30:38, 0:30:41]: So um whatever legal um decides is is okay with me. [0:30:42, 0:30:43]: It's amazing. [0:30:43, 0:30:44]: Mr Mr. Williams. [0:30:45, 0:30:53]: Yeah, we're gonna just have to review it because, you know, the the contract, you know, the staff went to work fairly quickly after it was approved. [0:30:54, 0:30:55]: Um and so [0:30:56, 0:31:01]: uh to the extent that we're already obligated to pull back we may and from some [0:31:02, 0:31:07]: um costs uh associated with that. I just can't speak to how much that might be at this point. [0:31:08, 0:31:09]: So right. [0:31:09, 0:31:11]: Uh okay, you Mr. Alexander. [0:31:11, 0:31:13]: Uh it's amazing, isn't it? [0:31:14, 0:31:18]: I've never seen the staff move this fast on anything. Nothing. [0:31:19, 0:31:24]: See, we have other projects that have been out there that we task the staff with completing. [0:31:25, 0:31:27]: They haven't moved anywhere. [0:31:27, 0:31:41]: Yeah, this staff initiated project has already made it through the process. A purchase order has been delivered and we just voted on it. Man, how about that? Wow. I wish everything could move that fast. [0:31:42, 0:31:49]: All right. Any other comments on that at all? Ms. Knight, go ahead. Mr. Mayor. At the expense of um [0:31:50, 0:31:51]: Comment made to staff. [0:31:53, 0:31:56]: Um this staff works very hard to [0:31:56, 0:31:59]: Do our best to serve the citizens of the city of Stockbridge. [0:32:00, 0:32:00]: Yeah. [0:32:01, 0:32:06]: And this staff has moved things forward in the city of Stockbridge that have never been done. [0:32:06, 0:32:07]: Four. [0:32:08, 0:32:09]: Never. [0:32:10, 0:32:11]: And uh [0:32:12, 0:32:14]: In an effort to support the staff. [0:32:15, 0:32:17]: I'm simply saying that [0:32:18, 0:32:22]: This staff has done a great job in many areas of moving this city forward. [0:32:23, 0:32:24]: And I appreciate [0:32:25, 0:32:27]: The good men and women in the city of Stockbridge that I work with. [0:32:28, 0:32:31]: You try to take this stab or take this city to a higher level. [0:32:31, 0:32:34]: and try to accomplish things that we've never accomplished before. [0:32:35, 0:32:37]: And so with that I don't have any further comments. [0:32:37, 0:32:38]: All right. [0:32:38, 0:32:56]: And the motion has been made, it's been a second to reconsider uh this particular uh objective or this thing the about the f uh redesigning of the office space in the in the first floor, the basement floor. If there are no further comments, well I asked for a vote. So all in favor of reconsidering, please indicate. [0:32:57, 0:33:00]: One, two, three, all posed. [0:33:01, 0:33:05]: One. Uh Miss Ken, I don't see you. [0:33:07, 0:33:23]: Okay. I don't know. I call Okay, so it's it passes three to two. Um and so I guess on that note, Mr. Williams, you'll have to check in and as to see what kind of obligation, financial obligation we still have to pay or whatever the case may be, I suppose. [0:33:23, 0:33:33]: Well, Mr. Mayor, procedurally now the a uh motion to essentially table that item would be in order since the reconsideration just brings it back to you all to make a decision. [0:33:34, 0:33:40]: Okay. Oh based on what I think I heard from the council members a motion to cable that item [0:33:40, 0:33:43]: uh or rejected if if that's what they want to do. [0:33:43, 0:33:44]: Is in order. [0:33:45, 0:33:46]: All right. [0:33:46, 0:33:52]: All right, council you heard the attorney. So what kind of motion do we have on that? Re we've already reconsidered, so we're gonna table this till further notice. [0:33:52, 0:33:53]: Is there a motion, please? [0:33:54, 0:34:07]: Mr. Mayor. Uh is is it possible for me to ask the the city manager a follow up question? Yeah, sure, absolutely. Go ahead. Uh m Mr. Nine, could you speak a little bit more about the retreat? Um [0:34:08, 0:34:08]: How [0:34:09, 0:34:15]: How well in stone uh is this plan? I mean, uh are we ready? [0:34:15, 0:34:18]: uh or that day going to shift a little further out. [0:34:20, 0:34:24]: No, um the plan has always been for early to mid September. [0:34:24, 0:34:29]: To have the retreat. The uh department heads have been tasked with providing [0:34:29, 0:34:32]: their budget reports back to uh the treasurer. [0:34:32, 0:34:34]: Um at the end of this week. [0:34:35, 0:34:45]: Uh and once that is done, then I will review all of those, but it's always been uh consideration for uh early to mid-September. Obviously with the COVID situation that we've had. [0:34:46, 0:34:52]: Um we would have normally have secured a site in in in hotel and so forth, a retreat location. [0:34:52, 0:34:56]: Uh, given this circumstance, as we wanted to see how things evolve. [0:34:56, 0:35:03]: over time of whether or not it would be feasible to even have an in person retreat. And right now it doesn't appear [0:35:03, 0:35:06]: that would be the the most prudent thing to do. [0:35:06, 0:35:10]: The virtual retreat would probably be the likelihood. [0:35:11, 0:35:13]: Hey, Miss Kant, go ahead, please. [0:35:13, 0:35:16]: Thank you, Mayor. Um just a quick question. [0:35:16, 0:35:21]: When we fur when they first started talking about the motion, I was a little confused at what actually [0:35:21, 0:35:23]: was going on. Um [0:35:24, 0:35:35]: I heard office but I wasn't really quite sure what we had voted on and what was said. Um I know Councilman Woman Barber stated the reason why she opposed um the first time. [0:35:36, 0:35:41]: And I'm not someone has to recollect my memory on one. [0:35:41, 0:35:43]: Who actually present it? [0:35:44, 0:35:50]: the um the office space down downstairs. I remember us talking about this last year. [0:35:51, 0:35:53]: Two, was it budgeted for? [0:35:53, 0:35:54]: Mm. [0:35:55, 0:36:04]: In the past, I remember us discussing uh and I would love for us to have our office back. I agree with Councilman Alexander in regards to some of the issues with that. [0:36:04, 0:36:06]: Um there are issues. [0:36:07, 0:36:14]: Um in regards I rem I do recall seeing IT and other people downstairs um just kinda in the [0:36:15, 0:36:16]: Wi without an office. [0:36:17, 0:36:17]: Area. [0:36:18, 0:36:19]: Um [0:36:19, 0:36:20]: And [0:36:21, 0:36:22]: I'm uncertain. [0:36:23, 0:36:28]: Ведена інівон о стафвод аклі. [0:36:29, 0:36:29]: Um [0:36:30, 0:36:38]: present to us that people were stacked and carrying off the space. And if that's the case, I need to know who said that. [0:36:39, 0:36:40]: Um and in general [0:36:41, 0:36:44]: Uh uh because I I know for a fact that's not true. [0:36:44, 0:36:45]: Um [0:36:45, 0:36:48]: My my only concern is [0:36:48, 0:36:52]: We want certain things done, and I I'm okay with tabling. [0:36:53, 0:36:57]: And and letting our attorney look at where it is. It was supposed to start on Thursday. [0:36:57, 0:37:03]: Um, September's right around the corner, so it won't it won't hurt us to just delay it. [0:37:03, 0:37:04]: If that's the case. [0:37:04, 0:37:10]: But we're also talking about growing our staff if need be. We're a growing community, a growing city. [0:37:10, 0:37:13]: Um so I think we should take all of that into consideration. [0:37:14, 0:37:14]: Um [0:37:16, 0:37:17]: And someone I [0:37:18, 0:37:22]: Maybe you guys can correl recolate my memory, Mr. Knighton. Why [0:37:22, 0:37:37]: Is it that it was brought up last meeting in the first place to go ahead and do? What what are the things that you see? This issue was brought up several months ago. In fact, I sent an email to the council and I can't remember is it March or April. I'd had to go back and look. [0:37:37, 0:37:40]: I sent an email to the council signaling [0:37:40, 0:37:44]: That we were going to go ahead and look at creating office space. [0:37:44, 0:37:46]: Downstairs in the finance area. [0:37:47, 0:37:57]: Primarily because one, the IT department had outgrown that space. They were in a cubicle and they had certain items that were out and exposed that really needed to be in a secure location. [0:37:57, 0:38:03]: So they moved down to the the office down the hallway, which was formerly used by the previous economic development. [0:38:04, 0:38:07]: director. We also had uh two new positions. [0:38:08, 0:38:11]: Yeah, or I'm sorry, another position that was approved. [0:38:11, 0:38:12]: Uh in the budget. [0:38:13, 0:38:21]: Um with respect to um staff, actually typically two new positions actually that were approved in the budget uh for the staff. [0:38:21, 0:38:32]: Therefore, in order to create some additional office space within City Hall, we thought this would be a best option. It's only about, I think it was about$80,000 as a total for this option. [0:38:33, 0:38:35]: Versus even looking at something like an annex. [0:38:36, 0:38:41]: build an annex building that's gonna be several hundred thousand dollars, if not into millions of dollars. [0:38:41, 0:38:50]: because you would have to obviously create a totally new space, brick and mortar space, air conditioning, electric, everything, plumbing, everything that goes along with it. [0:38:51, 0:38:56]: This was seen to be a more economical option for creating office space in City Hall. [0:38:57, 0:39:00]: Okay, thank you. And do you know or estimate [0:39:01, 0:39:11]: at what time um we estimate that the employees would be back and and will be up running. I know right now we're working on pretty good projects about we we had [0:39:12, 0:39:17]: Yes. Uh because of COVID nineteen, of course, we were fully teleworking for a long period of time. [0:39:17, 0:39:28]: And then gradually we moved back into a rotational basis. And then uh we moved back to uh everyone was back in the office, uh essentially everyone was back for the previous. [0:39:28, 0:39:30]: previous two weeks or so. [0:39:31, 0:39:38]: Uh and um in the last two weeks we have been out. All of this, as I have said from the very beginning, since we've been dealing with this pandemic. [0:39:39, 0:39:42]: I want to do what I think is right and fair. [0:39:42, 0:39:46]: for staff members to make sure that we're in a safe and healthy environment. [0:39:46, 0:39:48]: And I said from the very beginning. [0:39:48, 0:40:08]: If the data and information comes to us and it's not the numbers are not looking good in terms of COVID exposures in Henry County, the state, and so forth, we would make adjustments. We would adjust. We would change our schedules in order to keep the staff in a position to be healthy. And that's what I've done, and I will continue to do as city manager. [0:40:08, 0:40:08]: Yeah. [0:40:09, 0:40:26]: Because as we've seen, these numbers have started to escalate. And we thought that perhaps we may have had a staff exposure about two weeks ago, which is why I went ahead and shut everything down and we obtained additional information to make sure that we were in a good, safe and healthy place. [0:40:26, 0:40:33]: Um my intention was, based on information, is to probably go back to a rotational basis starting next week. But again [0:40:33, 0:40:34]: I will continue to say. [0:40:35, 0:40:40]: Uh my charge and my responsibility is to try to keep the staff in a safe and healthy position. [0:40:40, 0:40:43]: Yet the numbers and the data and the science says [0:40:43, 0:40:49]: that uh the COVID uh cases are increasing and exposures are increasing, then we would need to pull back. [0:40:50, 0:40:57]: Um but uh right now, um, you know, we'll continue to op operate hopefully on a rotational basis starting next week. [0:40:57, 0:41:00]: But again, as we have seen with this pandemic. [0:41:00, 0:41:02]: Things have changed and things can be fluid. [0:41:04, 0:41:11]: Thank you. I have uh w one last question. Um did you ask for consensus when you discussed and sent an email to Mirror Council? [0:41:12, 0:41:26]: Or was it just something we discussed? You didn't hear any negative feedback on or or proceeding with that. Right. I I don't recall specifically. I'll go back and look at the email. I don't think I heard anything back from that as I recall. I'd have to go back and be sure, but I don't think I heard anything back. [0:41:26, 0:41:33]: related to uh something that should be pulled back or anything. And that's why I went ahead and moved forward with this option. [0:41:33, 0:41:36]: All right. Thank you. No further questions for me. [0:41:36, 0:41:38]: Councilwoman Barber, go ahead, please. [0:41:38, 0:41:47]: Thank you. And I do remember that you said several months ago, but we weren't dealing with COVID then. [0:41:47, 0:41:50]: So the last city council meeting [0:41:50, 0:41:52]: When this item was presented. [0:41:52, 0:41:55]: It was presented as though it was high priority. [0:41:56, 0:41:58]: Ти протек імпої. [0:41:58, 0:42:02]: I knew then that employees were not working at City Hall. [0:42:03, 0:42:04]: Every day. [0:42:04, 0:42:07]: I knew then that they were still rotating. [0:42:07, 0:42:09]: This should not be priority. [0:42:11, 0:42:12]: We can wait. [0:42:12, 0:42:14]: On these offices. [0:42:14, 0:42:15]: So [0:42:16, 0:42:22]: I'd like to see us as or task staff now with contacting the state or the contractor. [0:42:23, 0:42:28]: To cancel that PO as soon as possible. We don't want to move forward with that. [0:42:28, 0:42:29]: Right now. [0:42:29, 0:42:34]: Staff won't return to office for another couple of months, so I predict. [0:42:35, 0:42:39]: Um we know that these COVID cases are still increasing. [0:42:40, 0:42:51]: So I encourage Mr. Knighton if he would, please consider allowing staff to continue working from home as long as possible. [0:42:51, 0:42:51]: No. [0:42:52, 0:42:53]: That's just my my opinion. [0:42:54, 0:42:55]: Councilwoman Gantt please. [0:42:56, 0:43:00]: Last comment, I don't understand what the reason of the delay would be. [0:43:00, 0:43:05]: Um we've received notice about this. We've talked about this several times in the past. [0:43:05, 0:43:11]: Um there's been discussions on needing extra space. I would love for the council to have their office back as well. [0:43:12, 0:43:12]: I [0:43:13, 0:43:19]: We can't in one term want us to speed up and then then they then the staff is proactive in getting something done. [0:43:19, 0:43:22]: Um for eighty thousand dollars. [0:43:22, 0:43:36]: Um, which is a you know, if they're putting cubicles in or whatever the case may be, which is a minimum cost compared to some of the other projects, and then they go ahead and be proactive and do it. And we say, Well, everybody's sitting at home. [0:43:36, 0:43:39]: What happens when everybody's safe to go back to work? [0:43:39, 0:43:45]: And they're still back in there and they're out in the common area or wherever they have to go to work. [0:43:45, 0:43:52]: Our city attorney works up in one of the conference rooms or move around because someone might need the conference room space. [0:43:52, 0:44:12]: We don't have the adequate rooms for our staff. It's a known fact. I might come in and want to use a conference room and he may be in there working or has and have to rotate to somewhere else. Um there may be a meeting from a board member of a committee. Why would we wait until we get back and then the people are there and we [0:44:12, 0:44:14]: We don't have everything set up. [0:44:14, 0:44:25]: Um, it's kind of like something I said about the county or or the cities or anything else. We're in covert right now. Why would we not fix those potholes when there's not as much traffic on the road? [0:44:26, 0:44:31]: I mean, uh if we're gonna be proactive, we can't be hypocritical at the time point that we're gonna be proactive. [0:44:32, 0:44:34]: So I think that that is a problem. [0:44:35, 0:44:38]: Um, and I think that we need to consider that. [0:44:38, 0:44:41]: Specifically because it had already been laid out. [0:44:43, 0:44:51]: Mr. Alexander, go ahead, please. Yes, I want to ask uh Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. Um his I think his initial inclination was to cancel it. [0:44:51, 0:44:56]: So I wanna understand, is that the motion that he wanna do? The city attorney suggests [0:44:57, 0:44:57]: Um [0:44:58, 0:44:59]: Tabling it. [0:44:59, 0:45:00]: But [0:45:00, 0:45:02]: Might it be best to to cancel it? [0:45:03, 0:45:04]: Is that what his intention is? [0:45:05, 0:45:09]: Well m my my intent and I I do understand the [0:45:10, 0:45:16]: the method of reconsideration, as I stated earlier, once I began to [0:45:16, 0:45:17]: Look at [0:45:17, 0:45:20]: Everything that we needed to do. [0:45:20, 0:45:30]: And and it's not clear, even though, you know, we say eighty thousand like it's you know, like it's nothing, but I'm sort of just dealing with principles right now. [0:45:30, 0:45:33]: Um in in trying to go forward now. [0:45:34, 0:45:37]: Table versus council altogether [0:45:38, 0:45:39]: Ам окей. [0:45:40, 0:45:50]: I think for me right now is to revisit this at the retreat. I'm definitely not in favor of going forward right now, on Thursday. [0:45:51, 0:45:52]: Um [0:45:52, 0:45:54]: You know, September. [0:45:54, 0:45:59]: You know, we just have to see where we are. Uh now just for me. [0:45:59, 0:46:10]: This is just for me. Uh I plan to be in COVID-19 mode for the rest of the year and maybe even for the first quarter quarter of 2021. So um [0:46:10, 0:46:17]: I won't be coming into City Hall per se. I hadn't been in in City Hall since that time, but [0:46:17, 0:46:18]: Um [0:46:18, 0:46:31]: It's gonna be hard for any of us to come back in the city hall, especially the the the council in the chamber, uh, without some kind of refitting. And I can understand the safety of of all staff as well. [0:46:32, 0:46:39]: Um, so it's just one of those decisions we have to make. And I would just rather caution on the side of delay. [0:46:40, 0:46:44]: rather than to uh than to rush into it. Um so [0:46:44, 0:46:59]: I'm okay with canceling it. I'm okay with tabling it. But I definitely want to make sure that we discuss this at the retreat and uh and just see where um our thought process and the discussion process is in September. [0:47:00, 0:47:08]: Well, Mayor Pro Tem may make a suggestion to you then make a motion to say that we discuss the retreat if that's the case. But stand by one second. Councilman Blount, please. [0:47:09, 0:47:13]: Uh first of all, Mr. Knight and I just wanna say to you and staff [0:47:13, 0:47:15]: That when we voted on something [0:47:16, 0:47:17]: You are moved on it. [0:47:17, 0:47:18]: El [0:47:19, 0:47:19]: It becomes [0:47:20, 0:47:22]: an interesting position for staff. [0:47:22, 0:47:26]: That we complain when you don't move on something. [0:47:26, 0:47:32]: And then we complain when you do move on something. So I I I think you ought to damn if you do and damned if you don't. [0:47:32, 0:47:35]: I think that when this council sits down and we make [0:47:35, 0:47:37]: Uh we vote on something. [0:47:37, 0:47:43]: The principle of that is to move something forward or to discontinue something or table something. [0:47:43, 0:47:45]: And this pos and in this case [0:47:45, 0:47:47]: It was to move something forward. [0:47:47, 0:47:52]: And when Staff did that, now we're coming back and now we're we're going in a different direction. [0:47:52, 0:47:54]: We have to all sit down and figure out uh [0:47:55, 0:47:59]: where we want to go as a council and how we want to how we want staff to move because the staff moves [0:48:00, 0:48:01]: Then that's what we have [0:48:02, 0:48:03]: That's what we've asked them to do. [0:48:04, 0:48:05]: That's the directive we've given them. [0:48:06, 0:48:12]: And so when we talk about principles of voting and and and st uh uh to move projects forward. [0:48:13, 0:48:16]: We have to congratulate when they're being done. [0:48:16, 0:48:17]: rather than sit here [0:48:18, 0:48:25]: and and and basically shoot it down because wow they've done this and hey let's let's switch another direction. We have that right as a as a council to [0:48:26, 0:48:30]: say we want to go a different direction. That's that's that's that's what we we can do that. We have that power. [0:48:31, 0:48:33]: But we have to be careful and cautious. [0:48:34, 0:48:35]: But when we test [0:48:35, 0:48:37]: staff with something and they do it. [0:48:37, 0:48:39]: that we're sitting here belittling a process that we [0:48:40, 0:48:41]: But in pro in in progress. [0:48:42, 0:48:43]: That's all I gotta say on that. [0:48:44, 0:48:49]: Yeah. The one of the unknown factors though is that Mr. Williams got to check it out in the contract. We may we may may have to if we [0:48:50, 0:48:53]: delay this, obviously it may be some type of financial penalty, I'm assuming. [0:48:53, 0:48:56]: I mean you have to research and and and figure that out. [0:48:56, 0:48:59]: Uh so uh that is still unknown. [0:48:59, 0:49:00]: in this aspect as well. [0:49:01, 0:49:02]: Now uh okay, so [0:49:03, 0:49:04]: Any more discussion? [0:49:05, 0:49:20]: I so yes ma'am. Go ahead, Miss Barber. Is City Hall still closed to the public? Yes it is. So it was still closed to a contractor to begin work. Or was this [0:49:20, 0:49:21]: Um [0:49:21, 0:49:26]: public work staff that was going to be tasked with constructing these offices. [0:49:28, 0:49:29]: Mr. Knight. [0:49:29, 0:49:30]: It was a contractor. [0:49:31, 0:49:32]: Contractor. [0:49:32, 0:49:33]: Okay. [0:49:33, 0:49:33]: Thank you. [0:49:35, 0:49:39]: All right. So we've had a lot of discussion. So what what what's the uh [0:49:39, 0:49:43]: Decision of the council. Need a motion what what we want to do here as a as a cre collected group. [0:49:45, 0:49:47]: We've already done in a sense reconsidered this. [0:49:50, 0:49:52]: Well Matt. [0:49:53, 0:49:54]: Excuse me, sir. [0:49:54, 0:49:56]: Mm. [0:49:56, 0:49:57]: Yes, we are. [0:49:58, 0:50:03]: So you said uh I think I think Councilman Thomas, uh Mayor Protein Thomas had alluded to [0:50:03, 0:50:07]: uh table until we get to the retreat to uh identify some [0:50:07, 0:50:08]: I'm not for [0:50:08, 0:50:12]: getting rid of it. I think I think that we need office space there. Extra office space. [0:50:12, 0:50:17]: Uh Mr. Mayor. Uh can the city clerk recall [0:50:18, 0:50:19]: Um [0:50:19, 0:50:23]: What I know it was it was a motion, it was second. [0:50:23, 0:50:27]: Uh what was the what was voted on, Madam Clerk? [0:50:29, 0:50:30]: You you you're mooted. [0:50:30, 0:50:30]: Really? [0:50:31, 0:50:33]: There you go. That was your motion to reconsider. [0:50:35, 0:50:41]: You have to have a motion just to reconsider and bring it back. Now you're in discussion on what you want to do. [0:50:41, 0:50:44]: None that you brought the item back. Correct, Mr. Williams. [0:50:46, 0:50:46]: That is correct. [0:50:48, 0:50:50]: Okay, so [0:50:51, 0:50:52]: Um [0:50:53, 0:50:57]: Like I like I mentioned before, I'm okay with discussing it later. [0:50:57, 0:51:01]: I do not want to say cancel altogether. [0:51:01, 0:51:04]: Even though if if you cancel it now. [0:51:04, 0:51:16]: And even if you get to the retreat and cancel it then or if you get to the retreat and say you don't wanna do it, uh it i it's all the same, but it seems like either way [0:51:16, 0:51:18]: It's gonna have to run back for a vote. [0:51:19, 0:51:19]: To go forward. [0:51:20, 0:51:25]: Well okay, make make a motion because right now it if nothing happens it they're gonna be there on Thursday. [0:51:26, 0:51:26]: That's the thing. [0:51:27, 0:51:31]: They're coming on Thursday. Well well that that's that's slightly [0:51:31, 0:51:37]: Uh y y you're correct. If nothing happens the it will go forward on Thursday. So we just need, you know [0:51:37, 0:51:40]: Whether it's a table or a cancellation. [0:51:40, 0:51:44]: My recommendation is to table it, that will buy us some time to to [0:51:45, 0:51:50]: uh work with them if in the event that you decide to go forward with it. We haven't [0:51:50, 0:51:52]: You know sever ties with with this. [0:51:53, 0:51:57]: group when we can tell them it's it's being delayed while council reviews it. [0:51:58, 0:52:03]: Well well, Mr. Mayor, but what I what I don't want to do, if even if we table this [0:52:03, 0:52:07]: I I do not want other expenses to be um [0:52:08, 0:52:22]: move going forward. And in fact, when we do come to retreat and we decide to cancel. So by tabling it then it sh there should not be any action. There should not be any more expenses exerted toward this. Am I correct? [0:52:23, 0:52:25]: I I I would assume so. That's my assumption. [0:52:26, 0:52:30]: Yeah, that would be the case. That there would be no action with respect to that contract. [0:52:32, 0:52:38]: Okay, well I I'm okay with uh with just tabling it for now with the understanding. [0:52:38, 0:52:45]: that you know, we w it it would have to come back to the Florida Council for uh uh for an affirmative vote to go forward. [0:52:46, 0:52:48]: Is there a second to the motion? [0:52:49, 0:52:52]: Ms. Count uh Councilman Barber seconds that. Any further discussion? [0:52:52, 0:52:59]: All very mister Mr. Mayor, I just wanna clarify what I said when I said no further action. We still need to have a conversation with them. [0:52:59, 0:53:03]: Right. [0:53:04, 0:53:06]: uh putting the contract on hold. [0:53:06, 0:53:08]: Right. Yeah, I under yeah, makes sense. Understand. [0:53:09, 0:53:11]: No further discussion. In all in favor of the motion, please indicate. [0:53:12, 0:53:14]: One, two, three. [0:53:14, 0:53:15]: Oes. [0:53:16, 0:53:17]: What? [0:53:18, 0:53:20]: Okay, I got three one one is what I have. [0:53:21, 0:53:22]: Okay. [0:53:23, 0:53:27]: You said three one one. Yeah, Mr. Blount. I don't know, Mr. Blount. Mr. Blount, what was your vote? [0:53:29, 0:53:30]: Is this to what? [0:53:30, 0:53:38]: Motion to um table with the understanding of a determining vote by the council. [0:53:38, 0:53:40]: Following the retreat. [0:53:41, 0:53:43]: Well, I'm for uh I'm for [0:53:44, 0:53:45]: I'm for [0:53:45, 0:53:47]: Tabling it versus re removing it. [0:53:48, 0:53:48]: Okay. [0:53:49, 0:53:50]: So we'll make that three two. [0:53:52, 0:53:54]: It passes the the motion passes three to two. [0:53:55, 0:54:01]: Okay. I I believe it's it's four one. Wait, I'm not sure. Um what is your vote, Councilman Blount? [0:54:03, 0:54:09]: I'm if it if the vote is to sustain it, I'm saying is to table it versus removing it. [0:54:09, 0:54:10]: I'm for tabling. [0:54:11, 0:54:15]: Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Attorney. I appreciate that. Four one. [0:54:16, 0:54:17]: Four one. [0:54:17, 0:54:18]: Right. [0:54:20, 0:54:23]: Ms. Gantt, was your vote in opposed or abstained? [0:54:24, 0:54:25]: No actually [0:54:26, 0:54:27]: I thought we were v [0:54:27, 0:54:29]: I'm confused. I'm sorry. [0:54:29, 0:54:33]: I'm voting I was voting against reconsidering. We've already voted for that. [0:54:33, 0:54:35]: Right. Then we went back. [0:54:36, 0:54:39]: What are we vote we voting to table this until when? [0:54:39, 0:54:48]: Okay, the the motion was to table with the understanding of a determining vote by the council following the retreat. [0:54:51, 0:54:52]: I'll abstain. [0:54:52, 0:54:55]: I'm my I I just have a concern about [0:54:56, 0:55:02]: if there's a penalty for delay, you know, a project when someone could have had a job somewhere else. So [0:55:03, 0:55:04]: I'd abstain for now. [0:55:05, 0:55:09]: I I mean for legal purposes, I'd say. [0:55:09, 0:55:11]: I ha I've recorded it, thank you. [0:55:11, 0:55:15]: So it's four zero one then is what it is. Correct. Okay, thank you. [0:55:15, 0:55:15]: All right. [0:55:16, 0:55:28]: All right, next um uh this deals with the resolution in reference to the URA. Uh it was brought added by Mare Potem, but this is something I think the our legal counsel should take the lead on with our guests tonight as well. [0:55:28, 0:55:30]: Mr. Wooles, please. [0:55:30, 0:55:31]: That is correct, sir. [0:55:31, 0:55:32]: Okay. [0:55:33, 0:55:37]: Yes, sir, Mr. Mayor. Um, so you have a resolution in front of you. [0:55:37, 0:55:39]: Um which uh would [0:55:40, 0:55:49]: Uh designate the city council as the urban redevelopment agency of the city of Stockbridge. Uh you will recall that. [0:55:49, 0:55:51]: And twenty six stin. [0:55:51, 0:55:57]: The city designated the uh board of the downtown development authority to do that. [0:55:57, 0:55:58]: Um [0:55:59, 0:56:02]: since that time they they've not met in [0:56:03, 0:56:04]: Um there's really no [0:56:05, 0:56:10]: uh normal routine reason for the ura to meet [0:56:10, 0:56:16]: Um however an issue has come up um with respect to the amphitheater. [0:56:16, 0:56:19]: Джорджа пора ніцмет. [0:56:21, 0:56:25]: to be allowed to install and maintain uh electric [0:56:25, 0:56:30]: circuit or conduit to provide power for the amphitheater and the ancillary buildings there. [0:56:31, 0:56:32]: Um the [0:56:33, 0:56:37]: portion of the land where that easement runs is [0:56:37, 0:56:42]: titled in the name of the urban redevelopment agency. So we need that entity [0:56:42, 0:56:44]: to uh execute [0:56:45, 0:56:46]: The ease map. [0:56:46, 0:56:47]: Um [0:56:47, 0:56:54]: And I'm I'm not gonna sort of go into a long um discussion about why uh the downtown development authority [0:56:54, 0:56:58]: might not be the best entity to serve in the capacity of the URA. [0:56:59, 0:57:16]: Um but what and I you know I provided some information about that to the council over the weekend, but what this does is it eliminates that unnecessary step and designates the city council as the board for the uh URA as is permitted under state law. [0:57:16, 0:57:36]: And in doing so, uh all what would have to happen is if you voted to approve that resolution, we would have to designate a a you know time in the near future for a meeting of the URA to occur, which would be you know the the six of you all. And at that point we would discuss the easement how [0:57:36, 0:57:37]: However [0:57:37, 0:57:43]: We do have representatives from Kekkenwood who can speak to the need for the easement. [0:57:44, 0:57:52]: um and and any other issues related to it, uh that to the extent you all have questions. But in my mind, um, you know [0:57:52, 0:57:57]: While this isn't uh necessarily a housekeeping matter, this is you know [0:57:58, 0:58:14]: uh a a fairly reasonable, you know, uh solution to accelerate any action that needs to take place with respect to the amphitheater by making the decision making, uh putting the decision making in the hands of the city council. [0:58:15, 0:58:29]: All right, thank you. And uh so for Mr. Kekken Wood, who who'll who would like to speak on that to give your piece here, sir? Which gentleman. There you go. Okay. I well I guess I will speak on that. Um [0:58:30, 0:58:50]: I was um Keckenwood has just been brought on board the last two weeks or so to uh to play a part in that project. So um I've been uh working with the contractor and the architect uh and the folks um with the city to understand a lot of the issues there and what of them [0:58:50, 0:58:54]: is of course this isma and just to kind of fill you in on [0:58:55, 0:58:59]: Um the importance of the easement. [0:58:59, 0:59:06]: Um my understanding from the contractor is that the project is at the stage now. [0:59:07, 0:59:10]: that the uh the power loop [0:59:10, 0:59:27]: from Georgia Power needs to be installed rather soon. I don't know what I can't give you an exact time frame, but let's say within weeks we need to be initiating that installation. It's an underground power service entry feed to the various buildings on site. [0:59:28, 0:59:48]: Um the contractor is now erecting those buildings and will be needing permanent power on those uh buildings rather quickly. Uh plus because it's underground, uh various site work activities will need to follow that. So we need to go ahead and get that uh that installed. Uh so [0:59:48, 0:59:57]: Um, you know, I think I think it's right to say time is of the essence to get the easement executed so that Georgia Power can proceed with their work. [0:59:58, 0:59:59]: Okay. [0:59:59, 1:00:05]: Council, any questions for uh Carl here at all in reference to Keck and Wood and and their piece of this? [1:00:05, 1:00:06]: Anything? [1:00:07, 1:00:07]: Are you? [1:00:08, 1:00:09]: Yes, ma'am. Miss Bobby? [1:00:10, 1:00:23]: I wanted to know since they've been brought on board, have you all had the opportunity to review our final executed contract along with the um final bid documents? [1:00:26, 1:00:36]: I don't I don't believe that that we've been tasked to do that, but if if that's the case, uh I'll refer to Mr. Knighton as to whether or not we should be doing that. [1:00:37, 1:00:56]: Yeah. Um now are they attending the weekly project management meetings? Okay. Yes, they are. They are and Mr. Trevayfan is providing me um with weekly reports, full scale reports um to me directly of the progress and they are part of those meetings as well. They did meet on site. [1:00:56, 1:00:58]: with um the cur or the [1:00:59, 1:01:00]: H. J. Russell team [1:01:00, 1:01:12]: um initially a couple of weeks ago and uh spent about four probably five or six hours maybe uh with them on site and um he is and and her heck and wood has been tasked with providing me [1:01:12, 1:01:19]: with weekly uh updates of the progress in any areas of question or concern of the project. And they have been providing those to me. [1:01:20, 1:01:22]: Okay, good. Thank you. [1:01:22, 1:01:26]: Right, um Mr. Pitts, I just don't know one no. Do you have anything you need to add, sir at all? [1:01:27, 1:01:44]: No, I I don't may Mr Mayor. I'm just glad to be part of this. Um and just for y'all's information, uh Carl works for for me. I'm I'm the project manager from our standpoint, so I'm I'm here to support whatever y'all need to do out there. So [1:01:44, 1:01:50]: Okay. Thank you, sir. I don't know Council Council, if there are no other questions at all, I just need a motion to accept that resolution. [1:01:50, 1:01:51]: And we can go forward. [1:01:53, 1:01:54]: Is there a motion? [1:01:55, 1:01:55]: Castle and Blount? [1:01:57, 1:01:59]: You you make a motion to go forward that sir? That was your [1:02:00, 1:02:01]: Yeah, so move. [1:02:01, 1:02:02]: Don't move. Is there a second? [1:02:03, 1:02:07]: I second. Mr. Mayor Potem seconds that any if there are any further any further discussion. [1:02:08, 1:02:10]: If not, all in favor of motion, please indicate. [1:02:11, 1:02:14]: Okay, fantastic. You know, okay, good deal. [1:02:14, 1:02:22]: Mr. Mayor, um a couple of quick things. One, um, and and you don't have to decide today, but we we do need to [1:02:22, 1:02:33]: um schedule a a meeting fairly quickly uh for the URA, for you all to meet as the URA. It should shouldn't be more than about a ten or fifteen minute meeting if that. [1:02:33, 1:02:53]: um in order to g to approve the easement. Now if if the if you are also inclined um to uh uh allow the mayor to sign the easement in the capacity as the presiding officer of the URA and that be ratified at that meeting so it can proceed, uh you know we we could do that as well. [1:02:53, 1:02:55]: But whatever the pleasure is of the council. [1:02:56, 1:02:57]: All right. [1:02:57, 1:02:59]: Are we able to do that now? [1:02:59, 1:03:07]: Well, y it wouldn't be a vote, but but if if if if the the majority of the council signaled that they were okay with the mayor [1:03:08, 1:03:14]: signing it as the chair of the URA and having that ratified at the next meeting, um, then we can do that. [1:03:15, 1:03:19]: But you don't have to vote just just g give our give your approval verbally. [1:03:19, 1:03:26]: Yes. Okay. Alexander says yes. Anybody else? B Barber's yes. Yes. [1:03:26, 1:03:32]: All right, so I guess that makes it that's a majority super majority. Oh, he's pointing. Blount's pointing. Do you remember what's up with that? [1:03:32, 1:03:52]: Uh okay. So I say uh uh Mayor Proteva, I guess you'll go with this as well. I say yes. Okay, okay, got so we're good. So appreciate and then then one other uh unrelated item while I have the floor, if I could take the the privilege, Mr. Mayor. Right at the time. Um there there was some discussion about having the uh council uh [1:03:52, 1:04:01]: Adopt a resolution in support of the amicus brief that the Georgia Municipal Association filed in the case between Governor. [1:04:01, 1:04:07]: Kemp in the city of Atlanta with regard to the enforcement of the mass policies. [1:04:07, 1:04:10]: uh that the city of Atlanta imposed. [1:04:10, 1:04:11]: Um [1:04:11, 1:04:18]: I I had anticipated that would be part of tonight's agenda to just a a resolution in support of that. Um [1:04:19, 1:04:23]: You know, again it's it's the council's pleasure, but I just wanted to throw that out there. [1:04:23, 1:04:24]: Mr. Alexander, go ahead. [1:04:24, 1:04:31]: Yes, sir. That'd be great. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to amend the agenda to add this resolution to tonight's meeting. [1:04:32, 1:04:33]: I second. All right. [1:04:34, 1:04:41]: Okay, Miss Barber Secondette, uh no problem. So any further discussion? Uh Miss Mayor, what's that Miss Barber or Ms. Gann? Ms. Barber. [1:04:42, 1:04:45]: It was Miss Gantt. Oh, wasn't Gantt? Yes. [1:04:46, 1:04:47]: Okay. [1:04:47, 1:04:57]: Oh, I'm sorry. It I heard her. I think you raised your hand as well, but I think I heard Council. I'm on I'm not on mute. Um, I was just okay, I'm sorry. My bad. Okay. [1:04:58, 1:05:10]: We got it straight now. Okay. So on uh that note, on that resolution, uh any further discussion? And if not, uh got a motion of a second. All in favor of that motion, please indicate. [1:05:11, 1:05:31]: All right, fantastic. All right. So I guess do you have that ready, sir? And when I get in in office, I'll I'll sign that. Okay, and we'll send it forward to CMA. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry I just want to clarify. I made the motion to add it to the agenda. We need to actually approve it, right? Right. That's correct. Thank you, Councilman. Okay. I would like to make a motion to uh approve the um [1:05:31, 1:05:34]: brief as discussed by the attorney to [1:05:34, 1:05:43]: To add uh the GMA, uh support GMA in the brief against the governor. Again, they owned by the governor. Okay. Home rule. [1:05:43, 1:05:50]: Okay. Okay. Gas second. Miss Barber s Miss Barber actually seconded already. Oh. [1:05:50, 1:05:52]: Alexander and Barber. All right. [1:05:53, 1:05:55]: Any further discuss. If not. [1:05:56, 1:05:58]: Okay. All in favor of motion, please indicate. [1:06:00, 1:06:03]: All right, fantastic. Okay, now we're good. Thank you, sir. Place for straighten me out. [1:06:03, 1:06:04]: All right. [1:06:04, 1:06:07]: On that note, uh I have my comments. [1:06:07, 1:06:10]: Uh folks you realize this is twenty twenty. [1:06:11, 1:06:13]: This is a a census year. [1:06:13, 1:06:19]: So and census is very important. So if you haven't filled out your census documents and been counted properly, please do so. [1:06:19, 1:06:24]: It means multiple um funds, federal funds come into our community when we're properly accounted for. [1:06:25, 1:06:45]: And we are the largest city, Starbury's largest city in Henry County, and I would speculate that we'll still be the largest city once it's all all the data is turned in there. So please go out. If you haven't created a census, please do so. I believe you can go to our website and you can receive and and and uh log on there and get the actual link that you need to do to uh apply and and and get the census done. All right. [1:06:44, 1:06:46]: So if you haven't done so, please do so. [1:06:48, 1:06:50]: The public health department, of course, we're in district four. [1:06:51, 1:06:57]: And uh once again, if you have any symptoms you need to get tested, the number for to set your appointment, the number is eight hundred. [1:06:58, 1:07:00]: eight four seven four two six two. Once again eight hundred. [1:07:01, 1:07:03]: eight four seven four two six two free of charge. [1:07:04, 1:07:07]: It's daily from eight to one atherites senior center. [1:07:07, 1:07:09]: Look at McGardy Road in McDonough. [1:07:09, 1:07:13]: And by the way, the city of Hampton is going to have a pop up testing site. [1:07:13, 1:07:18]: Now even though it's in Hampton, you can still go, they're free of charge if you have transportation. That'll be August sixth. [1:07:18, 1:07:23]: eight AM to one PM. It's gonna be at the city park. There'll be the advertisement and and public release. [1:07:23, 1:07:41]: uh press uh release coming out about that as well. Once again City Hampton, a pop-up testing site for COVID nineteen, August 6th, 8 a.m. to 1 PM. And by the way, August 6th. Doesn't that ring something in your mind? What is August 6th? That is our Centennial folks. 100 years as a as a incorporated city. [1:07:41, 1:07:46]: Now obviously this year we'll have to do this by way of uh virtual, but it's but we're gonna celebrate. [1:07:47, 1:07:50]: And I can't wait to twenty twenty one'cause we'll have to make up all that time, right? [1:07:51, 1:07:55]: Virtual parade drive-through, how about that? [1:07:56, 1:07:59]: Now you know what else is is very important besides a centennial. [1:08:00, 1:08:03]: of the city Stockbridge Honey Year Anniversary, August sixth. [1:08:03, 1:08:06]: You know what else is very important about August Sixth? [1:08:06, 1:08:13]: August sixth of nineteen sixty-five was the actual signing of the vote the initial voting rights act. [1:08:14, 1:08:17]: Yeah, August sixth, nineteen sixty five, fifty-five years ago. [1:08:18, 1:08:19]: On August sixth. [1:08:20, 1:08:27]: Lynn B. Johnson signed that act. And present during that act was uh Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. [1:08:28, 1:08:30]: John Lewis. [1:08:30, 1:08:31]: And Rosa Parks. [1:08:32, 1:08:35]: And of course John Lewis indicates that his heroes [1:08:35, 1:08:38]: or Darton Luther Luther King Jr. and Rosa Parks. [1:08:39, 1:08:40]: Go figure, right? [1:08:40, 1:08:44]: And by the way, Stockbridge is what? The ancestral home of the King family. [1:08:44, 1:08:45]: Amen. [1:08:45, 1:08:53]: All right. So we we have a part of this history in reference to civil rights, human rights. We are part of this history. [1:08:54, 1:08:56]: And what I like to do now is is it was it was um [1:08:57, 1:08:58]: And thanks to the [1:08:58, 1:09:01]: The clerk for handling this I'd like to do now is read a proclamation. [1:09:02, 1:09:13]: Honoring civil rights legends, icons, men of that that gave their lives to what is right for the people, not just minorities, for all people, human rights and civil rights and voting rights, period. [1:09:14, 1:09:16]: Honoring Civil Rights Legends, July twenty eighth, twenty twenty. [1:09:17, 1:09:24]: Whereas Joseph Eccles Lowry was born october sixth, nineteen twenty one, to Leroy Lowry and Dora. [1:09:24, 1:09:35]: Flacker in Huttsville, Alabama, whereas Reverend Joseph E. Lowry was a minister of the United Methodist Church and leader in the civil rights movement alongside Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. [1:09:36, 1:09:38]: And whereas Reverend Joseph E. Lowry [1:09:38, 1:09:40]: was co-founder of the Southern Christian [1:09:40, 1:09:47]: Excuse me, leadership conference, serving as vice president, later chairman of the board from nineteen seventy-seven to nineteen ninety-seven. [1:09:47, 1:09:49]: It was his president. [1:09:49, 1:10:04]: President and whereas Reverend Joseph E. Lowry was dubbed by the NAACP as a dean of civil rights movement, one of Atlanta's key social, religious and civil rights figures participating in major activities of the civil rights movement in the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties. [1:10:04, 1:10:10]: continued his civil rights work until the twenty first century. He passed away on March twenty seventh, twenty twenty, in Atlanta, Georgia. [1:10:10, 1:10:16]: Whereas Cordell Tendall C T Villian was born july thirtieth, nineteen twenty four in Boonville, Missouri. [1:10:17, 1:10:30]: And whereas Reverend C.T. Vivian was very active in the civil rights movement as a leader with the Southern Leadership Conference, serving as a national director and later served as the interim president. And whereas Reverend C.T. Vivian was a man of insight. [1:10:30, 1:10:35]: wisdom, integrity, dedications. His efforts and dedications span over six decades. [1:10:36, 1:10:39]: From his first sit in in the nineteen forties in Peoria, Illinois. [1:10:39, 1:10:42]: Later to join forces with Dr. Martin Luther King Junior. [1:10:42, 1:10:46]: after the civil rights movement victorious nineteen fifty five Montgomery bus boycott. [1:10:47, 1:11:01]: Whereas Reverend C. T. Vivian assisted in organizing the Freedom Riders that were instrumental in fighting in integration across the South and the Jim Crow laws as he trained activists to pursue nonviolent protests even in the face of many beatings and much brutality. [1:11:02, 1:11:10]: He founded the CT Vivian Leadership Institute, create a model leadership culture in Atlanta, Georgia. He passed away July seventeenth, twenty twenty, in Atlanta, Georgia. [1:11:10, 1:11:19]: Whereas John Robert Lewis was born to sharecroppers, Eddie Lewis and William May Carter Lewis on february twenty first, nineteen forty in Pike County, Alabama. [1:11:19, 1:11:28]: And whereas John Lewis, American civil rights leader and U.S. congressman, best known for his chairmanship of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, SNCC. [1:11:28, 1:11:34]: And for leading the march that was halted by police violence under Emmett Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama. [1:11:34, 1:11:38]: That was March seventh, nineteen sixty five, a landmark event. [1:11:38, 1:11:42]: in the history of the civil rights movement and that that became known as Bloody Sunday. [1:11:43, 1:11:48]: And whereas John Lewis was inspired by his activism surrounding the Montgomery boy uh bus boycott. [1:11:48, 1:12:06]: In the words of Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. and all those bivocal move uh movements, he made a decision to become a part of the civil rights movement, including organizing lunch counter citizens and organizing freedom writers. At the age of twenty-three, he's an architect and a keynote speaker of the historic March on Washington in August 1963. [1:12:07, 1:12:10]: and uh one of the six big six leaders of the civil rights movement. [1:12:11, 1:12:13]: Eras John Lewis was known. [1:12:13, 1:12:18]: As a conscience of the Congress and is famously quoted, When you see something that is not right. [1:12:18, 1:12:30]: Not fair, not just. You have to speak up. You have to say something. You have to do something. He passed away july seventeenth, twenty twenty, Atlanta, Georgia. Now therefore I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtue of authority, vested in me, [1:12:30, 1:12:37]: As a mayor of City Stockbridge, Georgia, on behalf of city council members Elton Alexander, Alanda Barber, John Blount, Lakeesia Gantt, Alfonso Thomas. [1:12:38, 1:12:40]: You hereby proclaim Tuesday, july twenty, twenty twenty. [1:12:41, 1:12:45]: As a legends of civil rights day here in the city of Stockbridge as we honor C T Vivian. [1:12:46, 1:12:51]: Reverend Joseph E. Lauer and US Congressman John Lewis, all giants of the civil rights movement. [1:12:51, 1:12:52]: And having been awarded. [1:12:52, 1:12:56]: All of them have been awarded Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Barack Obama. [1:12:56, 1:12:59]: We honor them for the sacrifice, courage, and life's work. [1:12:59, 1:13:06]: Witness thereof, I have here unto set my hand on a great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the twentieth day of July, the year of our Lord [1:13:07, 1:13:12]: two thousand and twenty signed by myself and our clerk Vanessa Holliday. God bless, I'll tell you. [1:13:13, 1:13:15]: And further notice, ladies and gentlemen. [1:13:16, 1:13:35]: If you have an inkling to go down to the state capitol at Georgia tomorrow to actually view and say your last respects to Congressman John Lewis, you can do so anywhere from three to seven PM tomorrow and or eight to ten tomorrow. Three to seven or eight to ten down to Georgia State uh Georgia State uh [1:13:35, 1:13:36]: Capital. [1:13:36, 1:13:37]: Jeez. [1:13:38, 1:13:44]: I tell you, uh these three gentlemen set the tone, set the pace. Who picks up the mangle next? The baton has been passed. [1:13:45, 1:13:47]: We gotta do it, folks. This is great stuff. [1:13:48, 1:13:49]: On that note. [1:13:49, 1:13:51]: Um upcoming the meetings. [1:13:53, 1:13:59]: Yeah, I'm taken back by this. I'll tell you. And don't you feel good, folks? I'll tell you these gentlemen fantastic. Great men. Great men. [1:13:59, 1:14:00]: Anyway. [1:14:00, 1:14:04]: Council meeting Monday, August tenth, twenty twenty, six PM via Zoom via Zoom. [1:14:05, 1:14:09]: Main Street Advisory Board meeting uh Friday, uh, August fourteenth. [1:14:09, 1:14:11]: Nine a and nine a.m. Bazoom. [1:14:13, 1:14:23]: Uh downtown Development Authority has their next meeting Tuesday, August 18th, 2020, 6 p.m. by Zoom. New Council Advisory meeting is Tuesday, August 18, 2020, 630 by Zoom. [1:14:23, 1:14:27]: Our Nick City Council work sessions Tuesday, August 25th. [1:14:27, 1:14:41]: 630 by Zoom. And of course our planning commission meeting is Thursday, August 27th, uh 630 by Zoom. It's all the events that I have here. On that note, ladies and gentlemen, I like to act ask for a motion to adjourn the meeting. [1:14:41, 1:14:42]: A move. [1:14:42, 1:14:43]: Is there a second? [1:14:44, 1:14:48]: I second. All in favor, uh Miss Barber second that. All in favor, please indicate. [1:14:50, 1:14:53]: Goodbye and God bless you all. Be safe. Thank you. Good night.

--- title: July 13 2020 City Council Meeting date: 2020-07-13 source: 2020-07-13_July_13_2020_City_Council_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:03]: And on that note, I'd like to call the meeting to order. [0:00:03, 0:00:06]: This is a council meeting July thirteenth. [0:00:06, 0:00:07]: Twenty twenty [0:00:08, 0:00:12]: And uh invocation, Mr Blount, please, Councilman Blount, please give the invocation, sir. [0:00:19, 0:00:20]: Do you all hear me? [0:00:20, 0:00:22]: Yes. [0:00:23, 0:00:23]: Okay. [0:00:26, 0:00:32]: Dear heaven gracious Father, we thank you uh for this time and we thank you for this moment. We thank you for your grace and your mercy. [0:00:32, 0:00:35]: We have to do we come together right now, I am the father and that's [0:00:36, 0:00:42]: Be about the city business and we father that we will move about and do the things that are also pleasing in your sight for us, God. [0:00:42, 0:00:47]: We thank you all for this opportunity to serve our communities. We think it for this opportunity to have an equality [0:00:47, 0:00:57]: Make a footprint, Heavenly Father, that would be lasting for the citizens to stop this. We thank you for each and every one on this call right now, Heavenly Father, that you would protect and cover the leaders right now in the name of Jesus. [0:00:57, 0:01:03]: So we thank you, Father, for what you're about to do in this city, Heavenly Father, and that we are part of it. And it's in Jesus' name we pray. Amen. [0:01:04, 0:01:05]: Yeah. [0:01:05, 0:01:07]: Your pledge allegiance, please stand. [0:01:12, 0:01:14]: Blood religions beautiful. [0:01:15, 0:01:25]: United States of America and to the Republic which stands one nation under God and the visible of liberty and justice for all. [0:01:26, 0:01:26]: [ 88.2, 90.0]: Gotta put roll call, please. [0:01:32, 0:01:34]: Mayor Ford? Is it [0:01:35, 0:01:37]: Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. [0:01:43, 0:01:44]: You mute it. [0:01:45, 0:01:46]: And do you see it? [0:01:47, 0:01:48]: Who who've muted? [0:01:49, 0:01:52]: You were, but you're not now. [0:01:55, 0:02:03]: Madam Clerk. Yes. Madam Clerk, this is Randy Knight and Councilman Alexander is trying to get in as we speak. So I'm trying to get him connected. [0:02:04, 0:02:04]: Right. [0:02:06, 0:02:08]: All right. Councilwoman Barber. [0:02:08, 0:02:08]: Okay. [0:02:10, 0:02:11]: Councilman Blount. [0:02:12, 0:02:12]: [133.5, 134.7]: Councilwoman Gantt. [0:02:15, 0:02:15]: Present. [0:02:16, 0:02:25]: And Mayor Ford, did you want me to wait for um let's go forward. We have a quorum. Let's move up. Okay, so we'll announce Councilman Alexander when he arrives. Thank you. [0:02:26, 0:02:28]: Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:02:29, 0:02:30]: So move. [0:02:30, 0:02:31]: No second. [0:02:31, 0:02:32]: A second. [0:02:32, 0:02:34]: Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [0:02:36, 0:02:38]: All right, Lence, all right. [0:02:38, 0:02:41]: What we have before us is the approval of the following meetings. [0:02:42, 0:02:57]: Council meeting which was May 11th of 2020. Also the council work session, May 26th of 2020. You have those before you. If there are no corrections of those or amendments to those particular uh minutes, then I need a motion to accept them, please. [0:02:59, 0:03:01]: Is there a motion accept the approval of the minutes? [0:03:03, 0:03:04]: So move. [0:03:04, 0:03:05]: I was there a second. [0:03:06, 0:03:15]: I second. Okay, there we go. All in favor, please. Mayor Ford, who did you take for the second? I heard two, two. I've got councilman, uh Councilwoman Barber for the second. [0:03:16, 0:03:17]: All favor, please indicate. [0:03:19, 0:03:21]: Okay. All right. Thank you very much. All right. [0:03:22, 0:03:22]: Um [0:03:23, 0:03:42]: Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments at all? We do not. Okay. On that note, we'll go to number three, which is a public hearing continued. But before I open up that particular public hearing, it deals with council consideration approved service delivery strategy, SDS agreement between the city of Stockbridge and Henry County, presented by Mr. Knighton, please. [0:03:46, 0:03:52]: Yes, sir. Uh thank you, Mayor Ford. Um uh the item is related to a course service delivery strategy. [0:03:52, 0:04:05]: At the previous meeting, I went through um uh a description of what service delivery is. And again, it is an attempt to ensure that um cities and counties provide equitable. [0:04:05, 0:04:06]: Um uh [0:04:07, 0:04:11]: Taxes for uh all of their citizens, for the entire populace. [0:04:11, 0:04:18]: That all of the services that are provided by both cities and counties are accounted for and there are no duplication of services, therefore [0:04:18, 0:04:24]: There's no uh duplication or double taxation, if you will. It also involves tax equity. [0:04:24, 0:04:31]: When I reported this to you last uh meeting, uh we had made uh pretty good progress and have made some progress even since then. [0:04:31, 0:04:37]: Now of course there were some things that happened uh with Henry County that delayed a couple of things that we were trying to work through. [0:04:37, 0:04:51]: Jack Wilson is also on uh the uh Zoom meeting here. Of course, he has been providing uh some legal input regarding service delivery. Uh one of the outstanding issues previously was um the road situation. [0:04:51, 0:04:55]: I think we've gotten to um a pretty good place that we feel comfortable with. [0:04:55, 0:04:58]: With respect to how roads would be [0:04:58, 0:05:00]: um allocated [0:05:00, 0:05:11]: uh in terms of um any expenses involved and I can go into some detail about that basically that um there would be city roads and county roads and much of what there are now. [0:05:12, 0:05:18]: Um but um there would also be uh some supplement provided to cities based on road. [0:05:18, 0:05:19]: Lane. [0:05:19, 0:05:20]: Mileage. [0:05:21, 0:05:26]: in the city of Stockbridge we have about uh one hundred and one I believe one hundred and one [0:05:26, 0:05:42]: uh and a little bit more than that uh lane miles, about 101 lane miles. So there would be an allocation provided to us in the other cities based on lane mileage, which would also be connected to Henry County's overall, essentially their road budget. [0:05:43, 0:05:49]: And so we think that that is a fair, uh fairly fair and equitable way to do it beyond [0:05:49, 0:05:53]: Uh, quite honestly, what we have uh now is an arrangement. [0:05:53, 0:05:57]: Um and because there's a recognition and an acknowledgement. [0:05:57, 0:06:04]: That city taxpayers, city of tax brid Stockbridge taxpayers are paid into Henry County to maintain roads. [0:06:04, 0:06:06]: And so we need to account for that. [0:06:06, 0:06:09]: And in order to account for that, there would be um [0:06:10, 0:06:17]: a um essentially a payment if you will that would come back to the cities based on lane mileage out of the county budget. [0:06:18, 0:06:21]: And uh Mr. Wilson can it spout on that uh [0:06:22, 0:06:24]: In addition to what I've stated, uh if he would so choose. [0:06:25, 0:06:31]: Well actually I'd like to ask Mr. Wilson to add in at this time anything he needs to to address before we go to council questions. Go ahead, sir. [0:06:32, 0:06:39]: Steward, uh just very briefly, I I know there was some questions last month about the definition of county roads and city roads. [0:06:39, 0:06:45]: The agreement's been adjusted slightly to shore that up and to align those definitions with state law. [0:06:46, 0:06:47]: And that should be beneficial. [0:06:47, 0:06:50]: to to the city in terms of adding some [0:06:50, 0:06:51]: Uh [0:06:51, 0:06:55]: Some specification about how those roads are defined. [0:06:55, 0:06:56]: Um [0:06:57, 0:07:09]: But but otherwise i it uh I I I think it's a a a fair and and and beneficial agreement that reflects some of the tax equity that we've been looking for throughout this process. So [0:07:10, 0:07:14]: Uh other than that I don't really have much to add. I'd be be happy to answer any questions. [0:07:15, 0:07:18]: All right, council, questions? First question. Any anybody? [0:07:20, 0:07:20]: Any thoughts? [0:07:23, 0:07:38]: Okay. Um okay, Mr. Let me let me let me ask you this, Mr. Knight and then okay, we're we're you're presenting this to us, we'll open up eventually to a pub for a public hearing. But what about the w when we sign off on this, when I sign off on this, obviously the council needs to [0:07:38, 0:07:53]: um be in sync uh with the the agreement, but also I'm concerned about the other cities. Where do we sit with the other cities in reference to this? I mean there's any city calls, any questions we need to talk about? Right. I think the other cities have had I think the road issue was a major issue. [0:07:54, 0:07:55]: For all of the cities. [0:07:56, 0:08:05]: Um the other issue we'd wanna um finally see before there was an ultimate approval would be the millage rate differential issue, but that shouldn't shouldn't be [0:08:05, 0:08:08]: that difficult to get through, that really is more of a formula. [0:08:09, 0:08:16]: And then I know that there have been uh some concerns by our council with respect to police services. Now, again, police services would be held at [0:08:16, 0:08:18]: Uh what is um [0:08:19, 0:08:23]: what is performed for unincorporated residents would be performed for [0:08:23, 0:08:31]: city residents. Um there have been uh an opportunity to work on some of the issues with respect to um [0:08:31, 0:08:32]: Ordinance enforcement. [0:08:33, 0:08:48]: And um in fact I will be meeting tomorrow about that. I've talked to the administrative staff and they feel comfortable that we can work through that uh very simply and very easily with respect to ordinance enforcement. So that is extremely promising. [0:08:48, 0:08:53]: I'll be meeting with um their uh appropriate people tomorrow. [0:08:53, 0:08:56]: And we'll lay that out and hopefully shore everything up. [0:08:57, 0:09:00]: So um that I think is a is a very good development. [0:09:01, 0:09:04]: And once the details of that are um [0:09:04, 0:09:08]: determined, obviously I'll provide that to you for your consideration. [0:09:09, 0:09:13]: before we uh prove anything. Now that may be something that may be apart from service delivery. [0:09:14, 0:09:20]: But the issue um still is related to and and by expressed by the council is related to [0:09:21, 0:09:24]: how services are provided to the city of Stockbury. [0:09:25, 0:09:35]: My my assumption, this is more or less uh obviously it's a public hearing. Uh I don't think there will be the council will be agreeing to anything today that I that I think [0:09:35, 0:09:55]: Uh about after tonight's discussion, I would assume that there's going to be further discussion with you and the rest of the city managers of other cities to make sure we're all in sync here. Is is that right? That's correct. There are a couple of things that the other cities were most concerned about. I think there was a um parks issue and road issue as I mentioned earlier, and then I think [0:09:55, 0:10:14]: there was i think a fire issue has been worked out if i'm if i'm saying that correctly that's right um that has been worked out um and so we're in the home stretch now and it's just a matter of bringing all of this together and um assembling the county and the cities uh to uh finally bring uh bring it to a point where it can be [0:10:15, 0:10:19]: approved again before these few other items are refined. [0:10:20, 0:10:21]: I will come back to you. [0:10:21, 0:10:24]: Make sure you are comfortable specifically with those items. [0:10:25, 0:10:27]: And then uh you can consider it for approval. [0:10:28, 0:10:33]: All right. Uh council, once again, any questions that you may have for uh Mr. Knighton or uh Mr. Wilson at all? [0:10:33, 0:10:39]: Ms. Mayor Yeah, I just saw I'm sorry, Mayor Pro Tem, I see Councilman Alexander's hand up first. [0:10:39, 0:10:40]: Well. [0:10:40, 0:10:46]: Yeah, first of all I had some difficulty logging in. The computer jammed up, so um [0:10:46, 0:11:06]: That was my reasoning for not being able to get on. I was trying to log on, but I could not log on. But but I first of all I want to ask uh Mr. Wilson and Mr. Knighton to very much clarify. We've been talking about these Mr. Knighton cle categorize them as the uh other minor issues. Those are those minor issues. [0:11:06, 0:11:12]: Or the police services and all of that have been the one holding up this particular agreement. So [0:11:13, 0:11:16]: I wanna understand uh from Mr Wilson. [0:11:17, 0:11:33]: What is the difference in the city's position and what was actually passed by Henry County? Because the city's position has always been that we wanted those uh that revenue returned to our municipal court and we wanted um certain other um [0:11:34, 0:11:49]: requirements of the county. So basic I want him to break down what the county actually passed versus what we're asking for and has there been any conversation about the two because we seem like we've been at that same impasse for multiple years now. [0:11:51, 0:11:51]: Sure. [0:11:52, 0:11:57]: So what what the county passed was an agreement, a proposed agreement. [0:11:57, 0:12:02]: That would provide police services inside the city of Stockbridge. [0:12:02, 0:12:04]: by the county police department. [0:12:04, 0:12:05]: Uh [0:12:05, 0:12:07]: Basically at the same [0:12:07, 0:12:11]: level of service and at the same rate of taxation. [0:12:12, 0:12:14]: as county taxpayers pay. [0:12:15, 0:12:16]: In other words [0:12:16, 0:12:20]: There there would be an obligation on the county's part to provide the service. [0:12:20, 0:12:23]: For the term of the agreement, uh, which is ten years. [0:12:24, 0:12:26]: And that Stockbridge basically would [0:12:26, 0:12:27]: Well. [0:12:27, 0:12:28]: Pay the same. [0:12:28, 0:12:32]: Stockbridge taxpayers would pay exactly the same as county taxpayers. [0:12:32, 0:12:33]: So i in terms of [0:12:34, 0:12:37]: service level in terms of tax equity. [0:12:37, 0:12:41]: The proposal is to to maintain all of that equally. [0:12:41, 0:12:42]: Or stockbridge. [0:12:42, 0:12:44]: citizens and taxpayers. [0:12:45, 0:12:47]: We what would it have cost us? [0:12:48, 0:12:50]: In terms of a [0:12:50, 0:12:52]: Yes, sir. The the [0:12:52, 0:12:54]: cost the city nothing. [0:12:54, 0:13:01]: cost the taxpayer the same as a Henry County taxpayer would pay for the same service in terms of a tax bill. [0:13:02, 0:13:05]: The the the the the tax billing would be uniform. [0:13:06, 0:13:08]: Right. And Mr. Knighton, in terms of that [0:13:09, 0:13:19]: This is the same position that we've been in for the past three or four years where we're operating. Uh, you know, uh of course, we have all the commercial establishments in Stockbridge. [0:13:20, 0:13:25]: The density is right here in the city. We've been asking for increased police services. [0:13:25, 0:13:27]: Uh what they passed does not [0:13:27, 0:13:40]: a lot for any extra police services uh in addition to um what we asked for in terms of uh extra patrolling or extra officer presence and uh the addition of the parking. [0:13:40, 0:13:41]: Um [0:13:41, 0:13:42]: Enforcement. [0:13:42, 0:13:52]: So how is it that we're gonna cross that threshold, we're gonna continue to operate how we're operating uh in a very densely populated area.

--- title: Special Called Meeting date: 2020-06-29 source: 2020-06-29_Special_Called_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:01]: Not the [0:00:23, 0:00:25]: Yes. [0:00:56, 0:01:00]: No, I have three o'clock, but I know that we need our attorney before we can start this uh meeting. [0:01:02, 0:01:07]: So you said Mr. Knighton that he is oh there you are. Welcome, Mr. Williams. [0:01:11, 0:01:13]: Mr. Williams, you good? [0:01:20, 0:01:21]: Can you all hear me? [0:01:21, 0:01:23]: Uh we hear you now. Yes. [0:01:26, 0:01:28]: Yeah, stuck in traffic. [0:01:29, 0:01:32]: All right. As long as you're able to drive safely and be connected, we're good. [0:01:33, 0:01:42]: Yes, sir. All righty. On that note, I have uh I still got three o'clock. Hasn't been three oh one yet, so I'd like to call this special call meeting to order. [0:01:42, 0:01:45]: And uh on that note, um [0:01:46, 0:01:51]: And this is special call meeting for uh uh Monday, June twenty sixth. Madam Clerk, roll call please. [0:01:52, 0:01:56]: I'm s I'm sorry, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. Invocation, Mr. Knighton, I'm sorry. [0:02:00, 0:02:01]: May we bow for a word of prayer. [0:02:03, 0:02:11]: Most gracious God, we thank you for this day and for your many blessings. We thank you for the opportunity to come together and to discuss the important matters. [0:02:12, 0:02:18]: Of the city of Stockbridge. We ask your blessing upon everyone assembled here and upon this great city. [0:02:19, 0:02:23]: Thank you for the gifts and experiences and knowledge. [0:02:23, 0:02:26]: Of our mayor and council and pray your blessing upon them. [0:02:26, 0:02:28]: And their families. [0:02:28, 0:02:31]: We pray, God, that you will be in the midst of us. [0:02:32, 0:02:34]: And that the matters discussed will be in order. [0:02:34, 0:02:35]: We thank you. [0:02:35, 0:02:36]: And we pray. [0:02:37, 0:02:38]: Your son Jesus' name. [0:02:38, 0:02:39]: Amen. [0:02:39, 0:02:43]: Amen. All right, we'll stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, please. [0:02:47, 0:02:56]: A pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republican. [0:02:56, 0:03:04]: One nation, another guy uh indivisible is liberty is just [0:03:05, 0:03:05]: [187.9, 190.1]: All right. Now Madam Clerk, roll call. [0:03:11, 0:03:12]: Mayor Ford. Present. [0:03:15, 0:03:17]: Can you all hear me? Jonesman Alexander. [0:03:17, 0:03:19]: President. [0:03:19, 0:03:21]: Councilman Alexander, yes. [0:03:22, 0:03:22]: Present. [0:03:24, 0:03:25]: Councilwoman Barber. [0:03:27, 0:03:28]: Councilman Blount. [0:03:29, 0:03:30]: Present. [0:03:30, 0:03:32]: Councilwoman Gantt. [0:03:32, 0:03:32]: Present. [0:03:33, 0:03:34]: Mayor Pro Tem Thomas. [0:03:35, 0:03:35]: Present. [0:03:35, 0:03:38]: Mayor Ford, you have a quorum. Thank you, appreciate it. Um [0:03:39, 0:03:42]: Council, I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:03:44, 0:03:44]: So move [0:03:45, 0:03:46]: All right. Is it a second? [0:03:47, 0:03:48]: A second. [0:03:48, 0:03:50]: There we go. All in favor, please indicate. [0:03:51, 0:03:54]: Uh Unanimous. Okay. Appreciate that. [0:03:54, 0:03:56]: New business. [0:03:56, 0:04:04]: Council consideration to approve H. J. Russell change order in the amount of seven hundred ninety-four thousand dollars, three hundred and thirty-two. [0:04:05, 0:04:13]: And funny source will be SPLOS 4, presented by Mr. Knighton and Mike Williams, our attorney Williams, please go right ahead. [0:04:14, 0:04:20]: So I I believe all the council members have been briefed on this particular item. [0:04:20, 0:04:29]: Uh you all approved the underlying uh change to the contract uh a number of uh c couple of council meetings ago via resolution. [0:04:30, 0:04:33]: However, when it was presented to the council there's just a [0:04:33, 0:04:39]: uh mistake in how it was how it was presented in that there uh we do not have [0:04:39, 0:04:45]: an allowance uh section in the contract price with HJ Russell. So that [0:04:45, 0:04:47]: seven hundred plus thousand dollar figure. [0:04:48, 0:04:59]: um isn't included. And so that resolution needs to uh be replaced with a new resolution that authorizes a change order with the funds coming out of SWOSS. [0:05:01, 0:05:04]: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Williams. Ms. Knight, do you have anything to add right now, sir? [0:05:08, 0:05:26]: Uh not at the moment. Um as it was acknowledged, um this was uh we acknowledge and a mistake has been made. This was a mistake in the ma manner in which it was uh presented, given uh the fact that um that allowance um was in some earlier documents but was not in the last and final offer. [0:05:26, 0:05:28]: And that is the one that we need to be governed by. [0:05:30, 0:05:30]: Great. [0:05:31, 0:05:35]: You can never mention. [0:05:35, 0:05:35]: Yeah. [0:05:36, 0:05:37]: Let's go right here, sir. [0:05:38, 0:05:45]: Uh Mr. Williams, uh Mr. Knighton, I'm trying to get a better understanding uh from [0:05:46, 0:05:51]: The last legislation, as you mentioned um at the previous meeting. [0:05:51, 0:05:57]: And now here's another piece of legislation. Now my understanding of [0:05:57, 0:05:58]: Contracts. [0:05:59, 0:06:03]: Uh I I thought it was standard to have [0:06:03, 0:06:04]: Um [0:06:04, 0:06:07]: in the contract a contingency [0:06:08, 0:06:13]: and uh a change order uh line item. [0:06:13, 0:06:15]: And one supports the other one. [0:06:16, 0:06:18]: So I'm a I'm a little confused as to [0:06:19, 0:06:21]: The mistake [0:06:22, 0:06:25]: When you know, change orders and contingencies [0:06:25, 0:06:28]: or standard uh in the contract. So [0:06:30, 0:06:37]: I need a little bit more explanation how you said it was a mistake. Um what what what was the mistake? [0:06:40, 0:06:43]: So when it was presented [0:06:43, 0:06:46]: І вас презента [0:06:47, 0:06:50]: Built into the contract price was an allowance. [0:06:50, 0:06:55]: Um in the initial bid that was provided by H J Russell. [0:06:55, 0:06:57]: Um they did include [0:06:58, 0:07:01]: Approximately seven hundred thousand dollars. [0:07:01, 0:07:12]: um in in an owner's allowance and and typically that is for things like changes in materials, enhancements, upgrades, things that aren't [0:07:12, 0:07:13]: Um [0:07:14, 0:07:34]: necessary for the project, but would be enhancements to the project. And those would be solely within the discretion of the owner, in this case the city, in terms of whether or not the city wanted to include those types of items. So because that was solely within the control of the city and and based on some of the negotiations [0:07:34, 0:07:34]: [455.0, 461.9]: Um with them uh the uh decision was made and and recommended and the council approved. [0:07:42, 0:07:45]: A contract price that did not include allowances. [0:07:46, 0:07:49]: And so that that's what the initial uh [0:07:49, 0:07:51]: uh contract provided for but [0:07:52, 0:07:59]: Uh when the when it was presented it was presented uh to the council for the change order as if the allowances were part of the [0:08:00, 0:08:02]: the uh contract price and that was a mistake. [0:08:06, 0:08:10]: I I'm gonna yield and let someone ask some questions, but for me though [0:08:11, 0:08:15]: Uh it it's still not making a whole lot of sense. Um [0:08:16, 0:08:25]: You know, I have a little I'm a little familiar with change orders, um, and I've done some research since then. And what I've found that the change orders. [0:08:25, 0:08:31]: or append to the original contract and become part of the of the said contract. [0:08:31, 0:08:33]: And continuency is a provision. [0:08:34, 0:08:39]: uh that is budgeted uh to be used to pay the cost of change orders. [0:08:39, 0:08:58]: And it's and normally it's a it's a certain percentage, 10% uh uh or 15% uh of that. So this is where I'm a little confused. Um all of this should have been in the original contract as far as uh change orders and contingency. [0:08:59, 0:09:00]: But [0:09:00, 0:09:03]: I'm I'm I'm lost on the [0:09:03, 0:09:13]: on the mistake. That that's where I'm really lost, but I I yield and let someone else uh answer a question, but it's I'm I'm still lost with the explanation. [0:09:13, 0:09:15]: Of the mistake. [0:09:17, 0:09:21]: Okay, uh Miss Gann. I'm sorry, I saw Miss Gann's hat first. H hand first. Go ahead. [0:09:21, 0:09:23]: Um well [0:09:23, 0:09:32]: But Mayor, I just want to make the motion to approve the resolution. And I know that we'll have discussion after that. So I wanted to go ahead and make the motion first. All right, go ahead. [0:09:33, 0:09:38]: I would like to make the motion to approve the resolution. There's because we had already thought it about it. There's a second. [0:09:40, 0:09:40]: Is there a second? [0:09:44, 0:09:48]: Right now, Ms. Gand, doesn't seem like your colleagues wanna make a second ten, and I can't do that. Thank you. Okay. [0:09:49, 0:09:50]: Mr. Alexander. [0:09:51, 0:09:58]: Uh yes. I just want to completely understand before we move forward. And my discussion with the staff. [0:09:58, 0:10:18]: Uh and I understand where Carlson Thomas is coming from because I was totally confused. And this conversation took multiple questions for me to kind of understand what was really going on. What really happened is the mistake was made on our end and this particular portion was left out of the contract. And that was the mistake. [0:10:18, 0:10:21]: uh on our side is what I [0:10:22, 0:10:29]: begin to understand after I ask a series of questions. And I think that would be very helpful to everyone. [0:10:29, 0:10:40]: If we could just really state what really happened, which is this a uh allowance amount was supposed to be in the contract. It w the contract was reviewed. [0:10:40, 0:10:49]: Uh it was a oversight on our part that we did not make sure that this was in the original contract, and that's where we are now. Is that correct, Mr. Knighton? [0:10:50, 0:11:03]: This was the and and hopefully I can answer your question this way. When HJ Russell had provided uh a bid um for the uh amphitheater project, there was an allowance included. [0:11:03, 0:11:08]: When they went and back and f and provided their best and final off offer. [0:11:09, 0:11:11]: It was not included. [0:11:12, 0:11:15]: And so when this was brought to the council a couple weeks ago. [0:11:15, 0:11:22]: It was with the understanding that that um allowance was still uh a part of [0:11:22, 0:11:25]: The overall contract by H. J. Russell. [0:11:25, 0:11:26]: And it was not. [0:11:27, 0:11:32]: And um what governs the amphitheatre construction. [0:11:33, 0:11:35]: Is the document, the ultimate contract. [0:11:36, 0:11:40]: Line that does not have that in the actual overall contract document. [0:11:41, 0:11:44]: The actual bid proposal is in them and shows an allowance. [0:11:44, 0:11:47]: But when they made their best and final offer, it did not contain that. [0:11:48, 0:11:53]: And that is the that is the one that we have to be governed by, which do not contain that all. [0:11:54, 0:11:55]: Okay. [0:11:55, 0:11:59]: Uh all right, now Xander that that solves that for you. Miss Barber, please. [0:11:59, 0:12:03]: Um okay, so that best and final offer. [0:12:04, 0:12:05]: Um contract. [0:12:06, 0:12:11]: I asked for a copy of that. I did not get that. The only copy I have is the original one. [0:12:12, 0:12:12]: Um [0:12:15, 0:12:16]: You're right, it's document. [0:12:17, 0:12:17]: Fine. [0:12:19, 0:12:20]: I'm deeply concerned. [0:12:22, 0:12:23]: Yeah. [0:12:23, 0:12:27]: about where we are. Um couple of things though. [0:12:29, 0:12:30]: This still has to be [0:12:30, 0:12:32]: Approved by the council or [0:12:33, 0:12:33]: Rejected. [0:12:34, 0:12:34]: That's correct. [0:12:35, 0:12:41]: I wanna know um what is our splash for balance. Is Mr. Wiggins able to give us [0:12:41, 0:12:42]: I am [0:12:45, 0:12:48]: What's the what was the question again? [0:12:48, 0:12:49]: It's just a vision. [0:12:50, 0:12:54]: balance of our spos for like right now. [0:12:56, 0:12:58]: Well we have left um [0:12:59, 0:13:00]: Overall [0:13:02, 0:13:05]: Um s I'm looking at it's like eleven point five million. [0:13:07, 0:13:08]: This is plus four, sir. [0:13:09, 0:13:10]: It's splash four. [0:13:10, 0:13:11]: That's what's left. [0:13:13, 0:13:13]: Okay. [0:13:14, 0:13:14]: Uh [0:13:14, 0:13:15]: I do that. [0:13:16, 0:13:18]: But that's spread out a month. Um [0:13:19, 0:13:24]: Numerous uh projects. Right, right. I yeah, I don't want to give that impression that that is what's available. [0:13:24, 0:13:25]: Right. [0:13:28, 0:13:29]: I couldn't hear Councilman Barber. [0:13:30, 0:13:32]: Oh it's available. [0:13:33, 0:13:33]: Right. [0:13:34, 0:13:40]: From my my latest recollection of SWAST for and what is called what is the uh Sun Trust account. [0:13:40, 0:13:45]: There was about um eight uh million dollars in that account. [0:13:46, 0:13:47]: Сикс мільян ович. [0:13:48, 0:13:53]: Or so about, yeah, just under six or about six, close to six million. [0:13:53, 0:13:56]: or so had been um accounted for, in other words, committed. [0:13:57, 0:13:58]: Uh, to projects. [0:13:59, 0:14:05]: And then you have the Reefs Creek Trail project, which is about 1.2 million. So then you get a balance of thereabouts and I'm [0:14:06, 0:14:16]: I hope it's okay. I'm talking round figures here, just you know, based on that. So then you have a balance left of about eight hundred a little probably a little over eight hundred plus thousand dollars in that. [0:14:19, 0:14:19]: There's [0:14:20, 0:14:29]: One more go right ahead, Ms. Barb. Go ahead. Um, so I know that the council previously approved [0:14:29, 0:14:30]: Teckin Woods. [0:14:31, 0:14:31]: As a [0:14:32, 0:14:34]: Professional service consultant. [0:14:34, 0:14:38]: I think it would be a good idea for us to include them on the ampathe. [0:14:39, 0:14:41]: We need another set of eyes here. [0:14:41, 0:14:43]: There's a lot going on. [0:14:43, 0:14:46]: And just so that we cover our bases. [0:14:46, 0:14:48]: Um they are experts. [0:14:48, 0:14:49]: Oh [0:14:50, 0:14:51]: Okay. [0:14:51, 0:14:52]: That's all. [0:14:53, 0:14:54]: Uh Mr. Mayor. [0:14:54, 0:14:55]: Yeah, yes, yes, sir. [0:14:56, 0:14:59]: I would I would agree with that because [0:14:59, 0:15:04]: When you indicate that a mistake was made when it should not have been [0:15:04, 0:15:08]: I I have an issue with that. But let me ask this question here. [0:15:08, 0:15:20]: Um as you alluded to, Mr. Williams, a couple um a couple of months ago, we legislated uh seven hundred and sixty-some thousand dollars uh change order. [0:15:21, 0:15:27]: And I hear we are we're being asked today to legislate uh 794. [0:15:28, 0:15:30]: So now uh do we rescind? [0:15:31, 0:15:43]: first legislation because if you pull both of those up and which both of them if we approve this today, uh technically and legally, we have legislated uh 1.5 plus. [0:15:44, 0:15:47]: Oh uh can you can you respond to that? [0:15:47, 0:15:53]: Y yes, sir. The the the resolution that was adopted several meetings back [0:15:53, 0:16:13]: for the original change order was actually only for about a thirty six thousand dollar change order. And and that's that's why this this was it was part of the reason why it was a mistake because that uh was the the difference, if you will, between the total change order amount of um that you have before you today and what [0:16:13, 0:16:28]: was incorrectly understood to be available in the allowance. And so um so this resolution would rescind that um and then approve the overall seven hundred and ninety uh thousand dollar change [0:16:28, 0:16:29]: uh change order. [0:16:30, 0:16:32]: Okay. Um Mayor. [0:16:33, 0:16:40]: Yeah, one standby, Mr. Butt. Go ahead. Okay, I I I wanna, you know, sort of continue on this line. Um [0:16:41, 0:16:45]: We received the document, Mr. Knight, and what I detected was [0:16:46, 0:16:48]: Nineteen chain daughters. [0:16:49, 0:16:52]: And for me, that's not a unheard of. [0:16:53, 0:16:56]: А де стежо прогрес. [0:16:57, 0:16:57]: Um [0:16:59, 0:17:04]: And I know we cannot predict the future as far as uh unknown, unseen. [0:17:05, 0:17:07]: But I'm a little concerned, um [0:17:09, 0:17:11]: With this whole process of change orders. [0:17:12, 0:17:15]: Um listen now, can you sort of speak to [0:17:16, 0:17:21]: What happened? I mean, how how how could we come at this stage have nineteen change orders already? [0:17:22, 0:17:23]: Well this [0:17:23, 0:17:30]: I mentioned this the I think you're referring to the overall document that was provided um to the council. I think some by [0:17:30, 0:17:34]: Um a a link and some in paper form, I believe. [0:17:34, 0:17:45]: Which had a total of nineteen on there. Now several of them have not had any action on them at all or have a zero balance, so to speak. So when the contractor goes through [0:17:45, 0:17:53]: The um and and part of it was the the contractor's log. In other words, the contractor keeps a list of everything. [0:17:53, 0:18:02]: All of them may not amount to a change order or is something that we consider or may be pending. And many of them or some of them had zero line items on them. [0:18:02, 0:18:07]: And so the total nineteen is less than that in actuality, however. [0:18:07, 0:18:22]: When you s when the project begins to deal with unsuitable soils and deal with the pond loc relocations and so forth to handle the uh impervious runoff from parking and so forth, all of this was contained in there because essentially one thing [0:18:23, 0:18:26]: And oftentimes one thing begets another begets another. [0:18:26, 0:18:29]: In other words, the soils maybe get a change in the parking area. [0:18:29, 0:18:39]: And then the water line has to be removed, it has to be moved. And then something else has to be installed and it affects sanitary sewer and on and on and on. And so you then you get this package of things. [0:18:39, 0:18:46]: that that are a totality, if you will, of uh something that originally [0:18:46, 0:18:50]: um started this overall change order. Things have to be moved. [0:18:50, 0:18:53]: Um lines have to be uh placed. [0:18:54, 0:19:00]: Um ponds have to be uh uh redesigned and so forth. And so all of that that was contained. [0:19:00, 0:19:02]: in this package [0:19:02, 0:19:22]: um uh speak to everything that had to happen as a result of that. And it was deemed to be appropriate to bring it to you that way and to show you everything that had happened as a result of um the change order, which contains everything in for this particular change order. Lastly and I know Mr. Blount won't ask a question, but lastly. [0:19:22, 0:19:26]: Can you respond to uh Councilwoman Barber's [0:19:26, 0:19:30]: Suggestion of Kek and Wood because I I I would agree with that. Can you respond to that? [0:19:31, 0:19:35]: Yeah, sure, sure. I'll be glad to. Um Kegan Wood as you know was hired as um uh [0:19:35, 0:19:39]: having the project management role um with uh the city. [0:19:39, 0:19:41]: They have and I'm glad to report. [0:19:41, 0:19:48]: Um they were instrumental in developing uh a grant proposal uh for the city through ARC. [0:19:48, 0:20:00]: And we've been actually recommended for approval for that grant. We just found out in the last, I guess, ten days to two weeks. We've been recommended for approval. It's not come to uh the end because another body has to approve it, I believe, in August. [0:20:01, 0:20:05]: Or a hundred and fifty thousand dollar grant that would help us with some pedestrian [0:20:05, 0:20:06]: Fantastic. [0:20:06, 0:20:07]: Connectivity. [0:20:07, 0:20:11]: Um uh mainly within the downtown area. [0:20:11, 0:20:16]: And that's through ARC. And so they were instrument instrumental in that. They also were working with us. [0:20:16, 0:20:22]: uh in preparing um application and uh connecting us with the right people on the quiet zone. [0:20:23, 0:20:31]: uh proposal there for um Love Street. And obviously as a result of pandemic, we weren't able to have our public meeting that we had scheduled and so forth. [0:20:31, 0:20:35]: And so they they have been working with us in those areas. [0:20:36, 0:20:56]: um we uh they they could um uh uh be uh brought in to provide a role um with the amphitheater if if um absolutely necessary. Um we do have both TSW and uh well have HJ Russell is the contractor but TSW obviously [0:20:56, 0:21:00]: reviews a number of things in their role because they designed the amphitheater. [0:21:00, 0:21:12]: And obviously they know the ins and outs of it and have made uh recommendations, suggestions, uh even uh you know, some recent middles that they have uh required and so forth. [0:21:13, 0:21:15]: And so they've been operating in that role as well. [0:21:16, 0:21:17]: Thank you. [0:21:18, 0:21:22]: Is that it, Mayor Pro Tem? Thank you, Mayor. That is it. Uh Councilman Blount, please. [0:21:23, 0:21:24]: Mr. Blount, go ahead. [0:21:25, 0:21:26]: Yeah, can everybody hear me? [0:21:26, 0:21:27]: Yeah, we got you. Go ahead. [0:21:29, 0:21:30]: Yeah. Uh my [0:21:30, 0:21:33]: And I'm listening to everybody's concern I and I [0:21:33, 0:21:34]: I agree with these concerns. [0:21:35, 0:21:40]: One of the concerns I have is that we got a major capital improvement project going on. [0:21:40, 0:21:44]: And one of the questions that has been on the table for me [0:21:44, 0:21:47]: And I think of my other colleagues is uh [0:21:47, 0:21:49]: We was been told all we need to do [0:21:50, 0:21:52]: Uh, all we're gonna do is be adding [0:21:53, 0:21:56]: an amendment to something that was already been approved. [0:21:56, 0:21:58]: throughout the contract. [0:21:58, 0:21:59]: with the seven hundred plus. [0:22:00, 0:22:05]: uh dollars, all we're gonna be doing is amending that and adding this amount. [0:22:05, 0:22:08]: And now we find ourselves having a special call meeting. [0:22:09, 0:22:16]: because that information is incorrect. And that question itself has been on the table for quite a w for quite a while. [0:22:17, 0:22:19]: Uh, we need to make sh you know, I'm [0:22:20, 0:22:20]: If you don't [0:22:20, 0:22:27]: understand where the problem is, then how do you understand where the corrective for the future? We got so much going on with this city that [0:22:27, 0:22:32]: We I I've never built an amphitheater before in my life and I keep saying that. [0:22:32, 0:22:35]: And I don't know if any of my colleagues been at the amphitheater before. [0:22:35, 0:22:42]: And so when we sat here and we started to ask staff and ask you all and ask legal and ask everybody for information. [0:22:43, 0:22:45]: We expect that information to be correct. [0:22:46, 0:22:47]: Because [0:22:47, 0:22:51]: We're elected to do a certain job, but you all are hired to do a certain job. [0:22:52, 0:22:57]: And to have a special call meeting on a question that has been on the table for so long. [0:22:57, 0:22:59]: That to me is unacceptable. [0:23:00, 0:23:06]: You know, I got other things to do with my day than take a three o'clock special call meeting on something that's already been on the table. [0:23:07, 0:23:12]: And these are the kind of things that we can't continue to go down this road and whatever we need to do to correct that. [0:23:12, 0:23:14]: Then we need to correct it because [0:23:15, 0:23:19]: Things has to be in order because we have other things that we're gonna be doing in this city. [0:23:20, 0:23:23]: And if we're gonna go back and keep s uh saying, Hey, we made a mistake. [0:23:24, 0:23:26]: We can make mistakes because we don't know. [0:23:26, 0:23:30]: We're paying you all staff and and turning everybody else to know. [0:23:30, 0:23:33]: And but this this is a question that's been on the table for so long. [0:23:34, 0:23:35]: That's my concern. [0:23:36, 0:23:43]: This isn't just something we asked and then we're coming right back. This question was on the table. I always ask questions prior to meetings. [0:23:44, 0:23:46]: And I asked this question. [0:23:46, 0:23:48]: Even in a meeting with you, Mr. Knighton. [0:23:49, 0:24:02]: uh uh about these very questions pertaining to this change order and I was setting my mind that we all was heading down the right path and all this was over. Now we're coming back saying a mistake was made and we need to do it this [0:24:02, 0:24:05]: Is it a point of not reading out the contract? [0:24:05, 0:24:07]: Understand the contract. [0:24:07, 0:24:11]: Oh, I'm just trying to figure out how to w you know, I don't want to get into that on this. [0:24:12, 0:24:14]: But we all gotta come together and start saying [0:24:14, 0:24:24]: How do we identify the road that we're going down and how do how do we make this thing work work more smoother with elected officials and staff and our city attorney? [0:24:26, 0:24:27]: Is Ms. Alexander? [0:24:28, 0:24:47]: Uh yes. I wanted to just uh go ahead and concur with uh Councilwoman Barber and Mayor Pro Tem Thomas about uh Kekinwood and their involvement. Uh the parties which are uh TSW and HJ Russell, they are interested parties. [0:24:47, 0:25:07]: Uh Kekin would be would be able to come in as an independent arbiter of what is going on and they would be a third party working on our behalf solely. Of course, we have a staff member who was working on our behalf, but we ended up in this particular situation of staff. So this extra set of eyes would be [0:25:07, 0:25:12]: uh deemed worthy because it does seem like we have find ourselves in this position repeatedly. [0:25:14, 0:25:27]: All right. Uh Mr Knighton, uh for you, sir. Uh in reference to it seems like we have a we haven't voted on it, but I guess uh in reference it seemed like general consensus to have Kekanwood join us, how would that how would that fit into that? Obviously they need to [0:25:27, 0:25:34]: They will have to be paid a certain percentage or certain amount. How's that how's that figure factor into all this? Well having them actually do. [0:25:35, 0:25:47]: Right. They they have um staff members who obviously uh you know have hourly rates and so forth that they provide. They do provide project management uh experience as well as a host of other things that they provide, a fairly large [0:25:47, 0:25:50]: Uh and well respected firm. Obviously we hired them. [0:25:51, 0:25:55]: And um they uh would have the ability [0:25:55, 0:25:57]: to um provide [0:25:57, 0:26:01]: If someone mentioned another pair of eyes or [0:26:01, 0:26:02]: uh Siren A [0:26:03, 0:26:04]: uh review [0:26:04, 0:26:06]: capacity, if you will. [0:26:06, 0:26:12]: Um to um provide that um again additional [0:26:12, 0:26:15]: uh set of eyes, if you will, for this particular project. [0:26:16, 0:26:19]: Would they need extra s would they need extra space in City Hall? They just meet with you. [0:26:20, 0:26:22]: How would they how would they go about doing this? [0:26:22, 0:26:31]: Uh no, likely likely not. They would they would be integrated into uh any um uh oversight or review processes that we would have. [0:26:31, 0:26:36]: Um obviously they have people who uh can come on site uh with and in and [0:26:37, 0:26:39]: Review things on site if needed. [0:26:39, 0:26:44]: But they can also review documents and so forth. So I don't think they would n necessarily have a place here in City Hall. [0:26:45, 0:26:47]: All right, Ms. Gann, go ahead, please. [0:26:47, 0:26:53]: Thank you, uh Mayor. Question d have we taken into consideration the cost of this? Do we add cost? [0:26:54, 0:26:58]: Already. Um, I don't have any objection to curc keck on wood. [0:26:59, 0:27:00]: Just wanna know [0:27:00, 0:27:00]: You know [0:27:01, 0:27:03]: Here we are with a a change order and we were [0:27:04, 0:27:07]: From my understanding and this is what I thought, I thought that [0:27:07, 0:27:13]: Council had been uh spoken to in regards to what has taken place already. [0:27:13, 0:27:17]: Um, that there weren't any objections. That's why I made the motion that I made. [0:27:17, 0:27:22]: Um and that uh although we have a question in regards to [0:27:23, 0:27:26]: um the change order and it not being in the contract. [0:27:27, 0:27:30]: So there are two parts to my question. The first question is [0:27:31, 0:27:32]: Whether or not when we [0:27:33, 0:27:41]: Planned out for this project for the amphitheater, did that 700,000 of those conditions, even though it wasn't in the contract and we thought that they were. [0:27:41, 0:27:43]: Did we consider that? [0:27:43, 0:27:48]: as part of our estimate on what it's costing to build the amphitheater. That's number one. [0:27:48, 0:27:49]: And number two [0:27:50, 0:27:51]: Now that we're adding [0:27:51, 0:27:54]: or talking about adding keck and wood. [0:27:55, 0:28:01]: It would I think it would be irresponsible of us to vote on something that we don't know what actual dollar amount to yet. [0:28:01, 0:28:04]: What exactly would be the dollar amount? [0:28:04, 0:28:05]: Um [0:28:05, 0:28:07]: for a project manager of sort. [0:28:10, 0:28:26]: Ms. Knight, can you handle that? I I I couldn't tell you um immediately right offhand. And some of that may be fluid because uh depending on how many documents they would have to review, that kind of thing, over a period of time with the next six plus months or so of the project. So I couldn't tell you exactly. [0:28:27, 0:28:45]: Um you could put some type of cap on it. And then if they exceed a cap, then you come back and review it at some other point in time if they reach that cap. But I couldn't tell you exactly right now, exactly what that would be. I I probably have a scale of magnitude, but I couldn't tell you exactly because [0:28:45, 0:28:49]: А лот would be dependent upon you know how many hours they spend. [0:28:49, 0:28:54]: Um and what does occur in terms of the rest of the construction of the amphitheatre? [0:28:56, 0:29:02]: Okay, that if I'm if I understand right, that was the answer to the second part. You still had a first part. The first one was [0:29:02, 0:29:07]: I'm sorry. The first part of your question. [0:29:07, 0:29:10]: I think it r related to the amount um [0:29:10, 0:29:12]: Uh when you approved it originally. [0:29:13, 0:29:16]: Yeah. [0:29:16, 0:29:22]: When we did we take into consideration, even though it's not in the contract, the amount that's placed [0:29:22, 0:29:25]: that we're expecting for our amphitheater. [0:29:26, 0:29:34]: Is that seven hundred thousand dollars? Because we were told at the meeting that this was already in there. We do realize that it was a mistake. [0:29:34, 0:29:35]: However [0:29:36, 0:29:38]: Did we take that amount into consideration? [0:29:39, 0:29:41]: In general for the amphitheater. [0:29:44, 0:29:52]: Because if we don't from my will the project continue or will we be at a halt? What what's going on if this is not approved today? [0:29:53, 0:29:57]: The pro the essentially the project would be at a halt if it's not approved. [0:29:57, 0:29:58]: Um [0:29:59, 0:30:03]: Uh and meaning this has to happen in order for the project can to continue. [0:30:03, 0:30:07]: Um and that was I think stated previously at uh the previous meeting. [0:30:08, 0:30:11]: Um and obviously uh we're here related to [0:30:11, 0:30:14]: the item before you which is the fact that [0:30:14, 0:30:17]: The allowance was not contained in the original contract. [0:30:17, 0:30:23]: And and there there are two different questions in as part of that. The the first is [0:30:23, 0:30:26]: Did did you take it into consideration? [0:30:26, 0:30:28]: Initially am uh [0:30:28, 0:30:33]: The the the answer is basically yes. That the the the seven hundred thousand dollars [0:30:34, 0:30:36]: was removed from the original [0:30:37, 0:30:41]: bid because it was thought to be that those would be optional items. [0:30:42, 0:30:44]: You know, y you know, additional [0:30:44, 0:30:52]: you know, quality finishings and and things of that sort which would the y'all would have or the city would have total control over. [0:30:52, 0:30:57]: Um and am not aren't necessarily required for the the final [0:30:57, 0:31:01]: Amphitheater and so to the to from that perspective it was taken into account. [0:31:02, 0:31:05]: And the contract price was reduced because of that. [0:31:05, 0:31:06]: Um [0:31:06, 0:31:16]: And uh and also related to that because the the initial plans from the architect were of of sufficient quality that it was deemed that those things wouldn't necessarily [0:31:16, 0:31:20]: be, you know, critical for the project, those additional enhancements, if you will. [0:31:21, 0:31:22]: Now the [0:31:22, 0:31:31]: If had you left that in there, then the total contract price originally would have been seven hundred thousand dollars higher than what you approved. [0:31:32, 0:31:35]: And and you could have done that, but the original contract price would have been higher. [0:31:36, 0:31:56]: The the you know the second piece of that is this change order is for unknown conditions, things problems with the soil and and all the stuff that you've been briefed on, which are required to move the project forward. These are things that were not foreseen originally and and therefore, you know, you would have ha been dealing [0:31:56, 0:32:00]: dealing with these regardless whether or not the um [0:32:00, 0:32:01]: The the uh [0:32:02, 0:32:06]: of the allowance portion was in the original contract or not. These are just unknown [0:32:07, 0:32:08]: And and that [0:32:08, 0:32:08]: In [0:32:09, 0:32:13]: If you don't approve this, then yes, we as city manager said, we're at a standstill. [0:32:14, 0:32:18]: Oh stand by please. Miss Barber, you were next. [0:32:18, 0:32:19]: Ms. Barber? [0:32:20, 0:32:20]: How you? [0:32:21, 0:32:23]: You yield. All right. Customer Alexander, go ahead. [0:32:27, 0:32:47]: Sorry about that. Uh in in regards to the initial comments by uh Councilwoman Barber, uh in we have talked about having project managers, or you know, Henry County has their own splotch projects manager that independent that manages these projects. This is this is not just [0:32:47, 0:32:51]: just a good idea for the amphitheater, it's a good idea in general. [0:32:51, 0:33:01]: But when we move on to the Cultural Arts Center and we move on to the Youth Senior Center to have a consultant on the outside with independent eyes. [0:33:02, 0:33:22]: To watch over these projects. That's something that we probab should probably implement as an umbrella policy for all capital projects. So this is not the first time that we've actually broached this subject of having somebody come in. We just didn't move forward with acting on having an independent set of eyes. But uh in regards to this. [0:33:22, 0:33:42]: And our upcoming discussion, this would be a great idea for every single capital improvement project that that we would move forward with. I think at this particular point, I think we do want to move forward with um the approval because we don't want the project to uh come to uh [0:33:42, 0:33:50]: uh to a halt and we want uh the the project to move forward. So I would make a motion that we move forward with [0:33:50, 0:34:04]: the amount requested by staff with the addition of Kekin Wood as the uh in as a consultant to be brought on uh over this capital improvement project. I'll make that motion now. [0:34:06, 0:34:07]: Sir a second. [0:34:07, 0:34:08]: Second that. [0:34:08, 0:34:14]: It's not a second that. Uh further discussion, I think Mayor Pro Tem, you have something you need to say, sir? [0:34:14, 0:34:21]: Yes, I was really pretty much gonna say what our councilman Alexander said. Uh first let me just say um [0:34:21, 0:34:30]: You know, Kekka Wood is already on board, they've already been hired. But secondly, let me say uh it's incumbent upon us to ask questions. [0:34:30, 0:34:31]: To earn. [0:34:32, 0:34:35]: Uh and not to uh make these mistakes again. [0:34:36, 0:34:39]: I I think you cannot put a dollar mine on experience. [0:34:39, 0:34:43]: And and and it and it seems and it shows that [0:34:43, 0:34:49]: Uh it was a lack of experience somewhere uh for these mistakes to be made. [0:34:49, 0:35:03]: So I I I don't have a problem in in in drilling questions because we as a council, uh I'm about learning, I'm about information, and we all need to be about that. Uh and as you said, Mr. Alexander. [0:35:03, 0:35:23]: That will be projects for the rest of this year, that will be project next year, that will be projects in the future. And we need to learn and we need to make sure that you know the simple mistakes are not made. Now, change artists when you're dealing with unknowns, I I get that part. That's why I know that in an [0:35:23, 0:35:25]: original contract. [0:35:25, 0:35:37]: There are allowances, there are line items for contingencies and change orders. And those line items uh takes in all of those unknown. [0:35:37, 0:35:45]: So that is the problem that I have. Now I don't want to stop your project, but I just want to voice my concerns and I think you cannot put a dollar amount period. [0:35:46, 0:35:49]: Uh but I think we have to learn from this. We have to grow from this. [0:35:49, 0:35:54]: And I think uh kicking wood coming on, I I think it is a good move, but um [0:35:55, 0:36:00]: Hey, let's let's ask questions, let's learn. We can't go back or we can't make the same mistakes. [0:36:01, 0:36:10]: So uh I'm I'm in favor of uh of a proving uh I I still have a problem, but I don't want to stop the progress. It's it's just a hard lesson to learn. [0:36:10, 0:36:23]: Councilwoman Gann, go ahead, please. Thank you. Well, I'm glad we agreeing to move forward. I don't want to halt the project, but I do still have a concern. I am for a separate project manager. I've always talked about that. [0:36:24, 0:36:30]: That I think we all the council can agree. My only concern about this is [0:36:31, 0:36:40]: What that dollar amount is. And if if we don't have an estimate on how much their hourly costs are, um, Mayor Pro Tem Thomas stated that. [0:36:40, 0:36:44]: Kekin Wood has already been hired. If they have, then can someone give me [0:36:45, 0:36:48]: what their their price is, right? [0:36:48, 0:36:57]: I don't what I don't want to do is go on this blind. I w I need some kind of estimate of what they think it would cost to be the project manager over. [0:36:57, 0:37:07]: this project another separate set of eyes. I agree with Councilman Alexander on that. Um we do have other capital projects that we're gonna want um to pursue. [0:37:08, 0:37:16]: And I think that it that would be a great idea. It's just I don't want to be irresponsible and say, oh, let's just hire someone. [0:37:16, 0:37:18]: And we don't have a dollar amount. [0:37:18, 0:37:20]: It's not budgeted for, it's not a line item. [0:37:21, 0:37:22]: So if it is, let me know. [0:37:23, 0:37:24]: You've changed me. [0:37:24, 0:37:27]: Okay, Mr. Knight, I'm I'm assuming can you ask yes, sir? [0:37:29, 0:37:39]: I'm I'm without having a contract in front of me, I couldn't answer that specifically. What I would offer then is um if the council were so inclined [0:37:40, 0:37:56]: is um if their um review project management and so forth would not exceed a certain amount, if it does, then we would bring it back to the council for your review. For instance, if we put a dollar amount of say 15,000 or something like that. [0:37:56, 0:38:04]: Um and and I'm I'm I'm using that because I don't want it to be too high without having come without having all of the information in front of me right now. [0:38:04, 0:38:11]: And then without having come to come back to you if it's gonna be something uh much more than that, or we see that it's gonna be more much more than that. [0:38:12, 0:38:22]: That way, if you were so inclined, they could begin providing that particular service. And then as we progressed, we would see what that would ultimately use. [0:38:23, 0:38:30]: Okay, stand by one. Ms. Dan, go ahead. Just part of your question. Yes, this is part of my question. So do we have [0:38:33, 0:38:45]: Do we have an estimate on what the cost would be so that we can maybe put that in there as a con you know, as as a cap on the amount that we're willing to spend? That's my only concern. If it's a minimal amount. [0:38:45, 0:38:58]: If it's fifteen thousand or twenty y'all thinking it won't cost that much, then fine. I I don't know. I don't know how much it costs for a project. Maybe I think it would I think it would probably be more than that ultimately for the next six to eight months of the project. [0:38:58, 0:39:03]: What I'm saying is if we wanted to put a relatively a minimal amount, if you will, or a or a [0:39:04, 0:39:06]: moderate amount, if you would. [0:39:06, 0:39:16]: Um, you wouldn't be approving that carte blanche, but you would understand that we would be coming back to you and say, okay, now we understand exactly after a period of time what it's going to take. [0:39:17, 0:39:23]: Um that's that's the only thing that I would mention there. And what does Kek and Wood do for us now with the amphitheater? [0:39:25, 0:39:26]: Nothing at the moment. [0:39:26, 0:39:29]: So they're not hired for us right now. [0:39:30, 0:39:33]: for the amphitheater. I mean Mayor Pro Tem just stated that they were hired [0:39:34, 0:39:38]: with us. I know what project exactly are they doing so we can let the citizens know. [0:39:38, 0:39:46]: Right. I I mentioned the the grant proposal that they provided through ARC, which we've been recommended for approval for for a hundred and twenty five thousand hundred [0:39:46, 0:39:48]: Hundred and fifty thousand, I believe it is. [0:39:49, 0:39:52]: um dollars for um that bicycle pedestrian item. [0:39:52, 0:39:55]: And then the other one is um they were working with us on the um [0:39:55, 0:39:56]: Quiet zone. [0:39:57, 0:40:03]: And we've made some progress there. Of course, you know, things had to stop because of the pandemic and we couldn't have the public meeting that we were planning to have. [0:40:04, 0:40:09]: Okay. So they have done some things for us. They do have project management capability, there's no question about that. [0:40:10, 0:40:10]: Okay. [0:40:13, 0:40:24]: All right, so you don't have an idea just yet how much it would be. You don't say fifteen and twenty thousand. So if this passes this motion passes, you'll have to get back to us with some type of figure for us to accept, I would imagine. [0:40:25, 0:40:33]: Well well they would if you were to pass it in that regard, they would begin. We would we would we would uh have them come on board and begin. [0:40:33, 0:40:53]: And obviously they would be able to go ahead and move forward in that regard. And once they, you know, get closer to that particular figure or even before, we bring it back to you and say, okay, this what this is what it looks like in terms of the amount of activity and time hours spent on a project and uh let you know that um [0:40:53, 0:41:13]: You know, that's what it looks like at that point. I would again emphasize it it really is not possible to say what that's going to look like over a period of time because you don't know what you're going to encounter in terms of the overall construction and how much time they may have to spend or who they may have to bring in from their team. They've got a vast team of planners. [0:41:13, 0:41:13]: [2474.5, 2480.5]: engineers and that kind of thing, obviously, uh so but you don't know exactly what that would look like. [0:41:21, 0:41:23]: All right. Mr. Blount with with specificity. [0:41:24, 0:41:25]: Okay, thank you, Mr. Blount. [0:41:26, 0:41:31]: Yeah, I'm I'm in agreement with all this. Uh in in in terms in Keckenwood, uh [0:41:31, 0:41:34]: Mr. Knight, my concern is this is it's cost, but [0:41:34, 0:41:37]: But I think we I think some of that cost can be [0:41:37, 0:41:40]: levy, if you if you will. [0:41:40, 0:41:45]: I I don't want the city to start getting into a place where we're hiring a whole bunch of people to do the same job. [0:41:46, 0:41:50]: When we talk about a third party coming in taking the interest of the city. [0:41:50, 0:41:53]: Those things should be put in place for the fr from going forward. [0:41:54, 0:41:55]: Um, because we can't say [0:41:56, 0:41:59]: put these put Kekinwood in place, which I'm in agreement with. [0:42:00, 0:42:01]: When we've already got [0:42:01, 0:42:04]: people two or three entities are already there. [0:42:05, 0:42:13]: You know, we we gotta shorten that down to pe just putting people in place that's got the the a third party that's got the interest of the city to oversee these projects. [0:42:14, 0:42:17]: And then we're not looking at this wild array of costs. [0:42:17, 0:42:18]: We're looking at [0:42:19, 0:42:23]: bringing that down, but we got people in place looking out for the interests of the city. [0:42:23, 0:42:28]: You know, because I I you know, when we talk about project managers, we're looking at [0:42:28, 0:42:31]: I think T S W or somebody uh or other entities got [0:42:31, 0:42:33]: A part of that and [0:42:33, 0:42:35]: And we're talking about uh uh [0:42:36, 0:42:41]: Does Charles Abbott or or Pap is I don't know who all got project managers on this on this project. [0:42:41, 0:42:45]: I just don't wanna see a whole bunch of people getting paid for the same job when we need to have [0:42:46, 0:42:50]: Something set in place just to cover the city. People in place just to cover the city. [0:42:51, 0:42:56]: Mr. Alexander I would I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Mr. Go ahead, please sir. Go ahead and spot. [0:42:57, 0:43:06]: Yeah, I would I would in order to try to address that, uh if Kek and Will were brought in, they would have a different role, uh they would be placed in a different role and there wouldn't be a specific duplication. [0:43:06, 0:43:08]: as it comes to that specifically. [0:43:08, 0:43:13]: in the role that I would envision that um you have alluded to that they would play. [0:43:14, 0:43:22]: All right, Mr. Azzan, go ahead, please. Uh this is what I'm gonna say, and I'm gonna bring it right back to you, Mr. Knight. Listen, this is just plain and simple. [0:43:22, 0:43:23]: We are you. [0:43:24, 0:43:25]: As a top flight professional. [0:43:26, 0:43:33]: You have a twenty five thousand dollar discretion. We need you to make some decisions. Everything shouldn't have to come back to us. [0:43:34, 0:43:44]: So I'm gonna amend my motion and put on your spending limit, which the council has already granted you, up to twenty-five thousand dollars to um [0:43:44, 0:43:57]: for to bring on Kekinwood, obviously you will make the determination, but you already have that authority. I shouldn't even have to repeat that, but I'm going to add that since that is what has been required of us. [0:43:57, 0:44:13]: So uh you have the authority with which to act on any a matter up to twenty five thousand dollars. If you think fifteen thousand is where we need to start at, that's what we can start at. But you're placing a arbitrary number when we already giving you the authority to do twenty five thousand. [0:44:14, 0:44:24]: Right. I I I could appreciate that, Councilman Alexander. There are certain things, even though I have the uh discretion up to a certain amount, there's certain things that I would want the councils [0:44:24, 0:44:30]: um acknowledgement, if you will, uh given the sensitivity of the matter, including this particular matter. [0:44:31, 0:44:34]: Certainly. Um I would want the council's um uh [0:44:34, 0:44:53]: Acknowledgement, if you will. 25,000 is a reasonable figure, but uh under uh my authority, I think. Um, but uh obviously we would have to update you on how things progress. Um and it could be 25,000 handles it. I think it it uh that may be cutting a little bit short, but we'll have to see as uh things progress. [0:44:53, 0:45:05]: How about we make it not to exceed your spending authority on this particular issue? And we have to trust you as a professional that if it's fifteen thousand that's necessary, that's what you're going to do. [0:45:06, 0:45:13]: Okay, uh Councilman Alexander, how about this? How about we restate restate your motion, make sure the clerks got it right and we all understand, please. [0:45:14, 0:45:23]: Yes, I want to uh make this motion so that the city manager has the authority to act up to his spending limit to make this determination. [0:45:23, 0:45:35]: of course, uh of his spending limit of twenty five thousand dollars. But of course, if it only requires fifteen thousand, that's what he would do. He will make the in the decision in the best interest of the city. [0:45:36, 0:45:37]: A second. [0:45:37, 0:45:38]: That's right. [0:45:38, 0:45:42]: Okay, seconded by actually uh councilwoman Gantt, she spoke up first. [0:45:42, 0:45:47]: Uh uh clerk, I guess you understand that. You got that? I did, thank you. [0:45:47, 0:45:50]: And Mr. Williams, that is a proper motion. Is that correct? [0:45:52, 0:45:53]: Was that a proper motion? [0:45:54, 0:45:57]: Yes, sir. Okay, good. Now, any further discussion on this motion? [0:45:57, 0:45:59]: Councilwoman uh Barber, please. [0:46:00, 0:46:03]: Um with the complexity of this project. [0:46:03, 0:46:06]: Um I want to hear directly. [0:46:07, 0:46:09]: From the contractors. [0:46:09, 0:46:13]: So when you all come to speak with us about the amphitheater. [0:46:13, 0:46:15]: I want to hear from HJ Russell. [0:46:16, 0:46:25]: I want to hear from Kegan Woods. I don't know what role Abbott plays in this, but I want to hear from the experts. [0:46:26, 0:46:34]: So make that um be a part of um the expectations as we bring technicalities on board with you. [0:46:36, 0:46:43]: Okay. Mr. Mayor. Yes, sir. Mayor Potem. Uh I'm I'm gonna agree with that, but I will say that um [0:46:43, 0:46:51]: I I think no well, Abbott is not the engineer record number one. Uh so they shouldn't have, you know, that involvement in this. [0:46:51, 0:46:52]: Um [0:46:53, 0:46:54]: I do believe that [0:46:55, 0:47:02]: Fifteen to twenty-five is is too low. I know that's the motion and I know it's been stuck but that's on on the table. [0:47:02, 0:47:03]: Um [0:47:03, 0:47:22]: probably gonna take about fifty thousand for this over the next month until it's completed. Uh but I do agree with Mr. Knighton and his assumption that uh he will bring things back to us just to keep us informed. I I do like that Mr. Knighton. I don't have a problem with you coming back so [0:47:23, 0:47:34]: If we go over that twenty-five thousand, I would appreciate it, you know, coming back and just say, well, okay, it's over twenty-five thousand. Right. I'll need an additional twenty-five thousand or happy. [0:47:34, 0:47:39]: Uh but I I just think that that's pretty low uh for the completion of this project. [0:47:40, 0:47:43]: Right. Councilwoman Gantt, did you have something else you need to say, ma'am? [0:47:44, 0:48:00]: No, not not at this time. Um Councilman Alexander actually made the statement, which is my my biggest concern was we had we needed a cap. I don't know when this council would vote on something and not actually have a dollar amount or figure. [0:48:00, 0:48:14]: Um, I think that would be irresponsible for me to do what's but the best interest of the citizens in this city is to just say, hey, we're gonna hire some people and we don't know how much it's gonna cost yet. Let's all vote for it. [0:48:14, 0:48:16]: When do we do that? [0:48:16, 0:48:36]: Okay. When would we ever do that? That's irrespon irresponsible. And so we cannot, we do have to have a dollar amount. And now that Councilman Alexander gave that dollar amount and that cap, if we have to amend it later on, so be it. But we need to be responsible. [0:48:36, 0:48:37]: Can't just go in blind. [0:48:38, 0:48:39]: And I'm okay with that. [0:48:39, 0:48:40]: Right. [0:48:40, 0:48:53]: Are there any further comments? And if not, oh yes, Councilwoman Barber, please. I just want to make sure that Kekin Woods, have we agreed that Kekin Woods, a representative from HJ Russell? [0:48:54, 0:48:56]: We'll be ending or [0:48:56, 0:48:59]: Maybe with these meetings, I can speak to this. [0:49:00, 0:49:05]: So I don't I don't know if we need to vote on that, but I've imagined uh Mr. Night hears you. [0:49:05, 0:49:08]: You should be able to make that happen, I would imagine. Ms. Knighton? [0:49:12, 0:49:12]: Yes. [0:49:13, 0:49:14]: Okay. [0:49:14, 0:49:15]: All right. [0:49:15, 0:49:19]: If that's the if that's the case, no other questions, all in favor of motion, please indicate. [0:49:20, 0:49:22]: Uh all favor motion. All right. Unanimous. [0:49:22, 0:49:23]: Good deal. [0:49:23, 0:49:31]: Appreciate it. Okay, now we'll move on. Uh council consideration to approve T Splash's proposed project list. Mr. Knighton, please. Um [0:49:32, 0:49:32]: I'm sorry. [0:49:33, 0:49:37]: Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. That vote was for [0:49:37, 0:49:40]: taking wood, but you still don't have [0:49:40, 0:49:54]: Although you know what that's why you're the clerk that's why you're the clerk, man. Okay. I I interpreted uh I did too. I interpreted councilman's motion as to include the overall amount [0:49:54, 0:50:00]: With the condition that Tekken would be involved as project manager with a cap not to exceed twenty five thousand. [0:50:00, 0:50:03]: Yes. Absolutely. Yes. [0:50:05, 0:50:09]: Is that the way that can we do that again then please? Because that's not the way that it [0:50:10, 0:50:16]: was present. So you didn't get all that, I guess. All right. [0:50:16, 0:50:17]: We can try this again. [0:50:18, 0:50:24]: Ms. Let me have my seat for a good. I had to grab my pan. Mr. Knight. [0:50:25, 0:50:31]: Uh I make the motion to accept the mount as well. Mr Snight, what's on your mind, sir? [0:50:32, 0:50:46]: I just wanted to I I understand the uh sentiments of the council. I just wanna make sure that and I don't think there's anything in the Ket and Wood agreement that would prohibit this at all. I just wanted to make sure that if there is any modification needed in accordance with what you are [0:50:46, 0:50:48]: Um approving. [0:50:49, 0:50:52]: that that can be made with the agreement with Ket and Lewis. [0:50:53, 0:50:53]: Okay. [0:50:54, 0:50:54]: All right. [0:50:55, 0:50:57]: Mr. Alexander, let's try this again. Go write it, please. [0:50:57, 0:51:02]: I want to make this motion to accept the amount as recommended by staff. [0:51:03, 0:51:15]: uh to move the amphitheater project forward with a twenty-five dollar twenty-five thousand dollar spending limit uh to add kicking wood to the project to be brought back to us. [0:51:16, 0:51:29]: If it t should exceed that. Also adding the reporting requirements that uh H J Russell and Kekin Wood would be coming back and that will be the reporting requirements added to this uh motion. [0:51:30, 0:51:31]: Right zero second. [0:51:32, 0:51:33]: Got it. [0:51:33, 0:51:41]: Miss Barber, you second. You second is Miss Barber. Okay. Now any more further discussion? If not, all in favor of motion, please indicate. [0:51:42, 0:51:45]: All right, unanimous. Okay. [0:51:45, 0:51:48]: Is it? Clark, everybody everybody voted for it. [0:51:50, 0:51:50]: Yes. [0:51:51, 0:51:55]: What Vanessa everybody is it was a go, every everybody is unanimous. [0:51:55, 0:52:03]: Okay, good. Thank you. You're welcome. Next thing. Council consideration of T Splash proposed project list. Mr. Knighton, please. [0:52:06, 0:52:26]: Yes, uh Mayor and Council, thank you. I'll try to run through this uh based on uh most recent information that we received around 12 noon, one o'clock. Um I had uh also provided you with uh the draft uh Henry County project list, uh probably [0:52:26, 0:52:32]: About close to one o'clock uh this afternoon, you may or may not have had a chance to to see it. As soon as I got it, I sent it to you. [0:52:32, 0:52:52]: But I wanted to mention, obviously, as we discussed at the last meeting, Henry County is proposing a transportation splost, which could raise an estimated$204 million for road projects, sidewalks, trails, resurfacing, et cetera. [0:52:52, 0:52:55]: There is a special call meeting uh tomorrow. [0:52:55, 0:53:04]: Uh at six o'clock p.m. uh at Henry County government offices. Uh as a matter of protocol for this meeting, of course, all of the cities. [0:53:04, 0:53:08]: have been invited uh to attend as well as the county. [0:53:08, 0:53:11]: You don't necessarily have to have a quorum there. [0:53:12, 0:53:16]: Uh there will be a discussion and it will basically be uh a b a discussion of [0:53:17, 0:53:21]: uh potential project lists uh provided by the county and also [0:53:22, 0:53:25]: uh the cities and a potential discussion of [0:53:26, 0:53:27]: uh intergovernmental agreements. [0:53:28, 0:53:42]: Uh you will not uh uh be at this meeting, you're not intended to make any speci any definite decisions, but the discussions have to be had on potential projects and also uh a potential uh [0:53:43, 0:53:45]: uh intergovernmental agreement. [0:53:45, 0:53:50]: You would if you are so inclined and the other cities are so inclined. [0:53:50, 0:53:54]: Would have to approve an I G by July thirty first. [0:53:55, 0:54:01]: Um and then uh if that were to all come to fruition, Henry County then would [0:54:02, 0:54:02]: Um [0:54:03, 0:54:07]: have a meeting, approve that and it has to go uh to the electors. [0:54:08, 0:54:11]: uh the elections office to be placed on the ballot uh for november. [0:54:12, 0:54:17]: Again, the overall proposed total is two hundred and four million dollars. As a matter of protocol for that meeting tomorrow. [0:54:17, 0:54:23]: Uh everyone will be socially distanced. They've asked how many people from their respective cities plan to attend. [0:54:23, 0:54:27]: Everyone will be socially distanced, expected to wear masks. [0:54:27, 0:54:32]: Um uh my understanding is that the meeting will be televised as well. [0:54:32, 0:54:34]: uh for the general public. [0:54:35, 0:54:39]: Um and that uh everyone can assemble as early as [0:54:39, 0:54:40]: Uh five thirty. [0:54:41, 0:54:46]: Uh in terms of uh the proposed project list. [0:54:46, 0:54:51]: Um that I provided to you and I want to be able to see if we can pull that up on the screen. [0:54:57, 0:54:58]: Yes, um [0:55:05, 0:55:11]: That's that's actually let's well since we've got it up, let's do this. Let's look at this. This actually is the Henry County project list. [0:55:12, 0:55:16]: um for your information because you may not have had a chance to to go um and look at it. [0:55:17, 0:55:23]: And Eugene, if you can hear me, can you go down just a little bit more on that project list? This is Henry County's, again, the draft project list. [0:55:24, 0:55:25]: For Henry County. [0:55:25, 0:55:41]: All right. Um you can see uh most notably the Rock Quarry Road widening, thirty-two million dollars. Uh you've got uh State Road 81 widening at$23 million, Jonesboro Road widening from I-75 to North Mount Caramel at 35 million. [0:55:42, 0:55:47]: And those three projects make up the bulk of what you're looking at from Henry County's perspective. [0:55:47, 0:55:51]: Now, if you go down further, obviously there are a number of resurfacing projects, I believe. [0:55:52, 0:55:54]: They likely divided those up by [0:55:54, 0:55:59]: By districts and actually on the entire spreadsheet that I provided to you. [0:55:59, 0:56:07]: Um, you can go in and click on those and see what those resurfacing projects are per district. But as you can see, there are three. [0:56:07, 0:56:15]: basically three projects that uh are um it's significant in terms of um they uh [0:56:16, 0:56:17]: connectivity and also [0:56:17, 0:56:25]: In terms of the amount of that$204 million, and it adds up to$143 million. [0:56:25, 0:56:30]: For Henry County share, and they took that off of seventy percent. [0:56:30, 0:56:31]: Okay. [0:56:31, 0:56:35]: Took that off of seventy percent of that total of two hundred and four. [0:56:35, 0:56:37]: Million dollars. [0:56:37, 0:56:43]: Um so um anyway, uh you can take a look at that and um obviously see [0:56:43, 0:56:46]: What um what is there for Henry Camp? [0:56:46, 0:56:50]: And again, I I do want to couch this by saying this as well. [0:56:50, 0:56:51]: The [0:56:51, 0:56:54]: Uh, this is a staff recommendation to Henry Downey. [0:56:55, 0:57:01]: uh a staff recommendation uh from henry county to its board of commissioners. [0:57:01, 0:57:09]: They will need to review this tomorrow. They may make some decisions tomorrow. I understand they've got a meeting tomorrow to discuss this. So there may be some changes to this. [0:57:09, 0:57:19]: from Henry County, but this was was uh provided to us uh this afternoon um from the staff recommendation their staff recommendation and I wanted to make sure you received it. [0:57:20, 0:57:22]: Mr. Knight in reference to um [0:57:23, 0:57:34]: to the resurfacing portion of this. And and of course in the city of Stockbridge, both uh Commissioner Two, Four and Five, that's Clemens uh Thomas and and uh [0:57:35, 0:57:37]: homes have um [0:57:37, 0:57:53]: parts of Stockbridge and if you look at uh uh uh district five for resurfacing it's 146 the other two districts have six six million now and I'm thinking I'm sorry I just pulled up that district five so you can take a look at [0:57:53, 0:57:54]: Okay. [0:57:55, 0:58:03]: You see that? Everybody see that? Yeah, I see. So there's only one that I see. Well, you got East Atlanta, O'Connor, okay. [0:58:04, 0:58:17]: All right. So really Walt Stevens is on there, but there's probably some other road. There are some other roads, of course, in our and district five, there's city primary city roads that that we may have to negotiate for. But okay. That's what I was just kind of nailed down on. [0:58:17, 0:58:21]: And of course whatever district four has or district two has in reference to those roads as well. [0:58:22, 0:58:26]: There's the district four list, Mayor Ford. I brought brought up the district four list. [0:58:26, 0:58:27]: Good. [0:58:29, 0:58:31]: Okay, it's East Hay Hudson Bridge, okay. [0:58:36, 0:58:37]: All right. [0:58:38, 0:58:40]: And it's a good list. [0:58:40, 0:58:41]: I'm sorry. [0:58:41, 0:58:45]: I didn't see Flippin' Road on District Five's list. [0:58:45, 0:58:46]: No, you didn't. [0:58:47, 0:58:49]: No, you no, it's not on there. [0:58:50, 0:58:50]: Um [0:58:51, 0:58:52]: Mr. Knighton. [0:58:53, 0:58:53]: Yes, sir. [0:58:54, 0:58:59]: Well I I know, uh Mr. Alexander, you look familiar with this. You know those uh homeowners own [0:59:00, 0:59:02]: I believe that's banks. [0:59:02, 0:59:04]: Well um Summer Hill. [0:59:05, 0:59:07]: I I didn't see the thing in reference to [0:59:08, 0:59:10]: Uh what they have been asking for. [0:59:10, 0:59:16]: The sidewalks, yeah. That's district four. Which is you're looking at district four's uh proposed list. [0:59:17, 0:59:18]: Yeah, this you're in front of me. [0:59:20, 0:59:25]: Yeah, we'll need to bring that up with Commissioner Thomas to about that because those homeowners have been [0:59:25, 0:59:28]: out front wanting uh sidewalks over there. [0:59:29, 0:59:29]: Mr. Rick. [0:59:30, 0:59:36]: Yeah, I think someone asked for district two. District two proposed list is uh in front of you as well. [0:59:41, 0:59:44]: So it seems as though that for us that might be chamber road. [0:59:45, 0:59:47]: Part no, uh maybe that's now that's we've done, isn't it? [0:59:48, 0:59:55]: Well it's just right outside the Jodico project. So Chambers Road. It's like right there where [0:59:55, 0:59:59]: The uh Jodico project would end going to Jonesboro Road. Yeah. [1:00:00, 1:00:03]: Yeah, Mount Olive Church ready now somewhere. Right, right. [1:00:05, 1:00:10]: In in regards to Walt Stevens, we were already listed in the twenty ten [1:00:11, 1:00:15]: S D S agreement as well as Splash List. What [1:00:16, 1:00:26]: So is this in addition to that? Because money was supposedly set aside, I wanna say, at that point in time it it's not there anymore? I don't see it. [1:00:26, 1:00:34]: Yeah, it's it's not on here and I have not seen it in any I thought I saw it. Go back to the district five, right? [1:00:34, 1:00:37]: Yeah. Well Stevens is on there. [1:00:37, 1:00:46]: Well, Stevens is on there, but there's a list that w there's projects that were already on in the S V S in twenty ten, Mr. Knight, and I believe I sent you an email. [1:00:47, 1:00:49]: Mm-hmm. Um in regards to that list. [1:00:49, 1:01:00]: And it had listed all the spliced four projects that had already been done. And out of that splice four projects, it also listed those things that had not been done. [1:01:00, 1:01:12]: yet um that had money was set aside for on from the counties part that was supposed to go towards these road projects and have not. So my question is [1:01:13, 1:01:22]: Uh is it gonna be m this in addition to those projects that have not yet been completed? How does the money been shifted or or where are we with that? Because [1:01:23, 1:01:31]: They were are these roads were already listed in the past and money was already allocated for things prior to T squats even coming up. [1:01:32, 1:01:41]: And I think that is a and obviously we're just looking at this list, you know, got it around one o'clock, so remember hadn't had a chance to go through it, but I think that's a legitimate question to ask of the county. [1:01:45, 1:01:45]: Okay. [1:01:46, 1:01:47]: We'll make sure we do that tomorrow. [1:01:50, 1:01:53]: Um, let me see if I can find it real quick for y'all. [1:01:56, 1:01:57]: Yeah, go ahead, Mr. Alexander. [1:01:57, 1:02:01]: Is Mr. Knighton done with his presentation? I I I don't know, sir, are you um [1:02:01, 1:02:04]: Yes, I'm thinking he's willing to handle any questions you may have for him. [1:02:05, 1:02:07]: Yes, uh this is what I will [1:02:07, 1:02:10]: Uh as far as the public is concerned. [1:02:10, 1:02:30]: We s we we you know, we use jargon like T splast and we expect people to understand what is the T S PLOS. People first of all, people need to know the T Spl what is it? It's a transportation splost. This money has to be spent on transportation. I'm gonna uh couch it how I want you to make uh [1:02:30, 1:02:33]: A presentation to my question. Give me just one second. [1:02:33, 1:02:37]: I would like for you to talk about the overall [1:02:37, 1:02:40]: City comprehensive plan. [1:02:41, 1:02:42]: Ту с то старт ви. [1:02:43, 1:02:49]: as it relates to how T sploss could complement it. [1:02:49, 1:03:09]: And the regular SPLOSS program. So people understand how the T SPLOS fits in with the overall city comprehensive plan and the regular SPLOS. This is an addition to proposition, not in place of those. So people understand. Well, I look at [1:03:09, 1:03:29]: This list, I don't see Rock Quarry Road on there. Okay, we got Rock Quarry Road already covered. I don't see Highway 42 on there. Well, guess what? We got Highway 42 already covered. G Dots already got that covered. So talk about in totality how what an excellent job this entire council. [1:03:29, 1:03:49]: City has done on transportation because all of these projects, people don't really know that Highway 42 is gonna be widened from McDonald's to Stockbridge. It's gonna be widened from Walmart of North Henry Boulevard all the way to 675. Rock Quarry Road is gonna be widened, right? People need to understand. [1:03:49, 1:03:57]: We've got these taken care of, and they need to understand that this T-SPLOST is in addition to and allows us to be able to. [1:03:57, 1:03:58]: Oh [1:03:58, 1:04:10]: uh complete these sidewalks and infrastructure programs to enhance the city in every single way. So if you can kind of talk about that and break it down in layman's terms, that would be great. [1:04:12, 1:04:13]: Right? [1:04:13, 1:04:17]: Um for the general public, there are generally uh different [1:04:17, 1:04:37]: um planning processes or documents that exist. One is a comprehensive plan which basically deals with land use, commercial areas, industrial areas, residential areas, mixed use development areas, and so forth. And you try to put those pieces of the post puzzle together in order for a city to [1:04:37, 1:04:41]: Grow or expand in a fashion that is sustainable. [1:04:41, 1:04:49]: and uh provides protection for potential residential areas and provides um commercial corridors, things of that nature. [1:04:50, 1:05:03]: Um and also we have a couple of overlay districts, which speaks to design, which the council has approved because you want a certain look and quality in the city of Stockbridge. Then you have what's called a comprehensive transportation plan. [1:05:03, 1:05:05]: This was something that was most recently done. [1:05:06, 1:05:07]: uh via the um [1:05:08, 1:05:28]: Uh, Henry County through the vetting process, uh, through input from citizens, most recently in 2016. There are certain projects out of that comprehensive transportation plan that took a look at the entire network of transportation throughout Henry County, certain projects from that plan that will undoubtedly be on this proposed transportation. [1:05:28, 1:05:37]: Transportation SPLOSS proposal. And again, a T-SPLOS is a transportation special purpose local option sales tax. [1:05:37, 1:05:57]: It's one cent on the dollar when you buy goods and services and so forth. The traditional SPLOST is a special purpose local option sales tax. You can use those funds for capital projects, for instance. You know, parks, for instance. You can use them on civic projects, a cultural arts. [1:05:57, 1:06:17]: Center or an amphitheater. You can use those to build a public works facility. That's more of your traditional SPLOST. The transportation spLost obviously is roads, trails, paths, resurfacing, enhancing the overall transportation and connectivity network. All of this in turn [1:06:17, 1:06:18]: Terms of uh [1:06:18, 1:06:22]: Land use and transportation should all fit together. [1:06:23, 1:06:24]: In a nice puzzle. [1:06:24, 1:06:28]: And provide the sustainability and the quality of life ultimately. [1:06:28, 1:06:32]: That people would want to see uh in any community. [1:06:33, 1:06:52]: Well yes, I certainly appreciate that. And and again, uh for the purpose of the public so you understand. In the regular splots, we have the council, this fine council and mayor, sit down and put together a plan so that we could bring you uh in our proposed capital projects list. [1:06:52, 1:06:55]: Uh you know, the amphitheater. [1:06:55, 1:07:15]: The Cultural Arts Center and the proposed Youth and Senior Center. Those programs it should be covered uh through the regular SPLOSS uh program. And then in addition to that, as Mr. Knighton said, we reached out for grants. We're in the process of getting a grant. Kicking wood helped out with the uh [1:07:15, 1:07:34]: Transportation grant that will hopefully bring us some funding for multi-use trails. Now the city in 2016 passed a master trail plan covering the entire city in its in total in its totality. So as as a pip as the puzzle fits together, the public should understand. [1:07:35, 1:07:55]: That the amphitheater will be completed, the cultural arts center will be completed, the youth senior center or recreation center will be created. This is a part of the total comprehensive plan. But we need connectivity between all of these particular entities. It is with great pleasure that I say we're [1:07:55, 1:08:15]: We're gonna complete the Martin Luther King Senior Heritage Trail. Uh, and we're gonna complete a so many projects on this proposed project list over in that Tide Street area, sidewalks on Tide Street. We're gonna have sidewalks on Wilson Avenue, Curb and Gutter, all of the above, complementing what we're [1:08:15, 1:08:35]: all doing. This council has done a great job and the city has done a great job with this project list. The one the couple of projects that I would like for us to see us consider uh is the East Atlanta Road Extension, which is a major road project which will take uh Rock Quarry Road and connect it directly [1:08:35, 1:08:55]: To East Atlanta Road. It will provide great uh egress to the city uh from both sides of the amphitheater and connecting seamlessly uh the Fairview area down to the P. Mont Henry uh area as well. And I know subsequent uh in my area which I dwell, uh [1:08:54, 1:08:58]: Uh we had the campground road extension that was completed. [1:08:58, 1:09:18]: Now, many assistant citizens put together a petition of one thousand plus people that signed it that said and it did they wanted sidewalks along this roadway. This needs to be a city and county joint project. The city needs to set aside some monies uh to complete those sidewalks. We're not just talking [1:09:18, 1:09:38]: About campground in Winslow at Eagles Landing. We're talking about campground in the new subdivision, which is Winding Creek and all the what all of Stockbridge City limits because campground runs through a large portion of the Stockbridge City limits. Henry County is taking care of all of campground. We're not able to take we're [1:09:38, 1:09:58]: We need to step up. They I gotta say, we were talking about just last week, what is Henry County doing? Uh the side of Jodeco, Commissioner Thomas, kudos to her. Have you ever been down Jodoko Road? They're planting trees in the middle of Jodeco Road with shrubbery. It's beautiful. The beautification is happening. [1:09:58, 1:10:12]: step up our game to meet that on the campground part of that because they're doing it right now and they're cutting our parts uh as well on a weekly basis. They cut the part that's in the city limits all of Campground Road extension. [1:10:13, 1:10:14]: All right, thank you. [1:10:15, 1:10:23]: Um any other comments from Mr. Knighton in reference to uh the list he just proposed or show tentative list. [1:10:26, 1:10:38]: other comments. So obviously we'll be talking about this tomorrow uh with the county and all the other four cities. And uh it starts at six o'clock so I would hope that everybody arrives probably somewhere around five thirty if possible. [1:10:38, 1:10:50]: This aspect. Uh Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, sir. Uh I was just gonna ask Mr. Night, do we need a motion to approve of the this list? It seemed like it's already been done, but I'm just asking, do we need any kind of [1:10:50, 1:10:52]: uh legislation on this list. [1:10:56, 1:11:08]: You're you're muted, Ms. Knight. You're muted. I I would think it's a it's a it's a tent of proposed list. It's a proposed list. I we're not going to I will tell you what I what Ms. Knight mentioned and what I've also heard earlier today as well as that this is a discussion. [1:11:09, 1:11:13]: Uh uh the chances we're not gonna be making final decisions tomorrow anyway. We're gonna discuss everything. [1:11:14, 1:11:16]: And so we'll have we'll have the time to go back and [1:11:16, 1:11:31]: besides discuss this, go back among ourselves after we have this meeting tomorrow to finalize our final proposal on this. But that was primarily intent. It's discussion, not re really we're gonna make any final decision tomorrow. Unless of course the council decides, hey, this is what this is our final decision, period. [1:11:31, 1:11:48]: But uh I'll let Mr. Knighton answer the question so you can ask him directly. I'm okay with that. Okay. I I I do and I would mention to the council as um the respective cities and the county provide what would be their project list, this would be a list that I would be providing. [1:11:49, 1:11:53]: as a potential project list for uh the city of Stockbridge. [1:11:53, 1:12:00]: Um and so I I do want to make sure that you are aware of that. That doesn't necessarily necessarily mean that it's the final list. [1:12:01, 1:12:06]: But this is a list that we believe uh contains viable projects uh for the city. [1:12:07, 1:12:10]: Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [1:12:10, 1:12:14]: I already know about flipping road then. Are you able to add flipping road on there or [1:12:15, 1:12:16]: We're just gonna [1:12:16, 1:12:18]: Leave that to the county. [1:12:18, 1:12:27]: How are we handling that? Flipping road, as I remember, is a county road. And when I say county road, a county road in terms of county responsibility for maintenance per the current. [1:12:28, 1:12:30]: service delivery strategy. [1:12:30, 1:12:38]: Um and but you go in and out. Yeah, it does. It does, just like you know, as I mentioned, Walt or um [1:12:39, 1:12:40]: Wall Stevens and Rock Bory. [1:12:41, 1:12:48]: Uh, to those particular items. I mean, for something like Flippin' Road, and I'm assuming you're talking about sidewalks for Flippin' Road. [1:12:49, 1:12:49]: Councilwoman. [1:12:50, 1:13:00]: Yes. Council sidewalks with Logan Road? I think I think that is the kind of project that could lend itself to joint support from the county and the city. [1:13:01, 1:13:04]: And I think that, you know, it should be couched that way. [1:13:04, 1:13:11]: Um obviously uh citizens are not concerned about jurisdictional lines when they're travel trying to travel from point A to point B. [1:13:12, 1:13:14]: And because it is multi jurisdictional [1:13:14, 1:13:20]: Um it could lend itself to uh some cost sharing between Henry County and the city of Stockwood. [1:13:20, 1:13:25]: And if if that is what you would like to see or propose, then we certainly can do that. [1:13:25, 1:13:26]: I would. [1:13:27, 1:13:29]: Okay. Uh Mr. Aznan, go ahead now. [1:13:29, 1:13:45]: Yeah, the the uh in in addition, I know I took a lot of time. I'm sorry, I apologize. But in terms of um what we're doing, I think the one weakness in this list is the East Atlanta Road extension. Because when p you're talking about transportation project. [1:13:45, 1:13:50]: I'm one hundred percent on board with every trail and sidewalk that's on there. [1:13:50, 1:13:54]: But people are gonna look at it and say, Where's the road project? [1:13:55, 1:13:58]: Where's the road project in the transportation splash? [1:13:59, 1:14:03]: That's where the East Atlanta Road Extension comes in. It's the major road project. [1:14:03, 1:14:05]: through downtown. [1:14:05, 1:14:25]: And again, I s you know the list is very it's tentative. It could change. So I think we should add other, I think we should add the other projects to the list. We may not um it's just like the comprehensive plan. You want to put potential projects on there because if the county sees their project, they might be able [1:14:25, 1:14:41]: able to act on a project uh in regards to it as well. They already have four million dollars that they owe us in regards to how Councilwoman Gantt mentioned they have four million dollars that they owe us on East Atlanta Road extension that was approved by voters on Splash 4. [1:14:41, 1:14:43]: They have two million dollars. [1:14:44, 1:14:47]: For flipping road as you exit east. [1:14:47, 1:14:48]: As you exit, um [1:14:49, 1:14:52]: Reeves Creek Trail on the flippin' road side, that's in the county. [1:14:53, 1:14:55]: That portion from of [1:14:55, 1:14:57]: Flipping the the Reese Creek Trail. [1:14:57, 1:15:16]: to Walt Stevens Road, all of that is 100% Henry County. Our city limits, if you go from uh North Henry Boulevard right to before right to right after uh Reeves Creek Trail, all of that goes into the county. If you recall, we actually had the annex [1:15:16, 1:15:36]: The parking lot of Reed's Creek Trail into the city limits because previously it was not in the city limits. So the city limits was extended down to the trail, and the trailhead of Flippin' Road was actually annexed into the city. So from Reed's Creek Trail all the way to Flippin', all the way to Walt Stevens Road, none of that is in the city. [1:15:36, 1:15:52]: city limits. But I would say that Henry County owes those citizens in that area, including Stockbridge Tuck tax players, two million dollars because they voted and approved for two million dollars in sidewalks slash trails to be put on uh flipping road there. [1:15:55, 1:16:01]: There's a projected list. Oh, go ahead, Mr. Knight. I guess you've put that up so everybody can see. You can you can see that. I'm assuming everybody can see that. [1:16:02, 1:16:03]: List. [1:16:03, 1:16:09]: Yes. Okay, good. All right. It's small. Is it yes? All right, let's see what we can do. [1:16:13, 1:16:14]: But yeah. [1:16:15, 1:16:16]: Does it better? [1:16:16, 1:16:18]: Yeah. That's better. Okay. [1:16:22, 1:16:29]: Yeah, as in and as I think uh Councilman Alexander alluded to, there are a number of items on here related to trails and and [1:16:30, 1:16:39]: And all of those were a part of the um uh trail plan that was adopted in twenty seventeen. So we tried to take those items that had already been [1:16:39, 1:16:48]: uh vetted via citizen review and obviously adopted by uh the city council. There were a couple of other items that we did uh provide on here as well. [1:16:49, 1:16:55]: Um uh toward the to um which related to um areas that did not currently have [1:16:55, 1:16:59]: sidewalks and curtain gutter and so forth. [1:16:59, 1:17:02]: Uh you can see that at the the top of the list, the first item [1:17:02, 1:17:10]: And then also Davison Parkway areas that frequently have a lot of pedestrian travel to have resurfacing on those roads and sidewalks. [1:17:11, 1:17:16]: And then the uh the other items down the list, many of whom are part of the trail plan. [1:17:16, 1:17:21]: The other items I would mention to you very quickly, Country Club Drive, obviously there's uh been some uh [1:17:22, 1:17:34]: concern there about uh enhancements and then Burke and Love Street, uh which may be a little bit high uh in those estimates I would acknowledge. However, part of that was trying to ensure that there would be [1:17:34, 1:17:39]: uh the ability for ability for pedestrians to move in and around the downtown area. [1:17:39, 1:17:44]: amphitheater connected to the potential um uh cultural arts center. [1:17:44, 1:17:48]: And so that was um part of the reason uh for that. [1:17:50, 1:17:50]: Right. [1:17:53, 1:18:02]: So we got several, he's got so we have several items on there reference to ML King Senior Heritage Trail, several off uh spurs per se on our list as well. [1:18:03, 1:18:05]: Of course, while Stevens is on there. [1:18:06, 1:18:10]: Tyshree sidewalks and extension for Reese Creek Trail. [1:18:13, 1:18:20]: You know, earlier in our conversation we talked about uh Campground Road and Flippin' Road, which all part going out of the city and all part of District Four. [1:18:21, 1:18:26]: Uh it's Vivian Thomas and so I'm pretty sure we can probably work out something with her if need be. [1:18:26, 1:18:32]: And then uh any thoughts about uh from the council about Patrick Henry Parkway? Any thoughts about that? [1:18:32, 1:18:33]: Concerns about that at all? [1:18:36, 1:18:37]: It's in district four as well. [1:18:41, 1:18:50]: No concerns? Well well, I think that uh Patrick Henry Parkway is a vital thoroughfare. I think that uh you know, right now as we talk about right of way maintenance, Henry County [1:18:51, 1:19:11]: Uh a lot of that Patrick Henry Parkway is in the city limits of Stockbridge and the grass is cut and maintained along that Jo uh Georgia Power all the way to Johtoco Jodico Road. I mean that is that is one of the things that they do uh consistently. I'm I'm hopeful that we'll have a major project in the area. [1:19:11, 1:19:16]: that will have actually enhance it. And as you know, the Oaks at Eagles Landing [1:19:16, 1:19:18]: Синьо [1:19:18, 1:19:38]: Senior community is going to be there. As part of Patrick Henry Parkway, we added the requirement that any new development would have to construct a 10-foot-wide multi-use path. So along that frontage, along Patrick Henry Parkway, they will have to add a 10-foot-wide multi-use path and the hotel. [1:19:38, 1:19:58]: Tell uh the true by Hilton will have to add the 10-foot-wide uh multi-use path as well. I have concern for that particular area, but I'm I'm thinking that uh new development will actually take care of that for us if we're patient, that they'll add the uh trails and the infrastructure along Patrick Hill. [1:19:58, 1:20:07]: Henry Parkway for us uh at their cost because uh there's a rumor that there's a major recreation facility gonna go in that area as well. So [1:20:08, 1:20:08]: We shall see. [1:20:09, 1:20:09]: All right. [1:20:10, 1:20:13]: You know, comments about Patrick Hinn, anybody thought about that? Anybody else? [1:20:13, 1:20:18]: Well, I I do have a comment on something else, but I wouldn't after you finish it to Patrick Henry. [1:20:20, 1:20:20]: Go right in. [1:20:21, 1:20:34]: Well, I I do wanna just for food for thought, just want to put this out to the council. Uh as you know, um there's been this conversation about closing uh Nolan. Uh there's been some conversation about [1:20:34, 1:20:35]: Um [1:20:36, 1:20:36]: A [1:20:37, 1:20:40]: Extending Nolan out to McCain Creek. [1:20:40, 1:20:43]: Uh a traffic light at McCain Creek. [1:20:43, 1:20:47]: Uh, that would also uh help out for the traffic. [1:20:47, 1:20:49]: Uh for the uh art center. [1:20:49, 1:20:52]: Uh, I just wanted to put that on the table. [1:20:52, 1:21:02]: just to get some conversation, if not today, maybe at another time. So just to be clear, um a conversation about a traffic light on North Henry at McCain Creek. [1:21:03, 1:21:12]: Also, that would relieve uh if Nolan Street is closed, that would give uh citizens coming from [1:21:12, 1:21:14]: Anywhere south of North Henry. [1:21:15, 1:21:18]: Um a way to uh access out. [1:21:18, 1:21:35]: uh with a traffic light there at McCain Creek. So I just want to put that on the table and I don't want to get too deep into a conversation today. I know we've been here for a while today already, but uh we would like to get it into a conversation at some point in time uh about this. [1:21:35, 1:21:36]: Right. [1:21:36, 1:21:37]: So be it. [1:21:38, 1:21:55]: Any other comments uh from mister from Mr. Knight in reference to the proposed tentative draft list here. T splash list. Just in information for informational purposes, flippin' road consists of um and I agree well, flip and road is a concern. It has been a concern. [1:21:56, 1:22:04]: And traffic is growing. There's a new subdivision coming up. I believe several of us went to the county meeting. I remember going and speaking about. [1:22:05, 1:22:15]: this in regards to overcrowding of our schools as well as the traffic and the impact of traffic and what that's going to look like with this new subdivision coming up. [1:22:15, 1:22:16]: Mm-hmm. [1:22:16, 1:22:17]: Flip and road. [1:22:18, 1:22:19]: Consists of three [1:22:20, 1:22:23]: Districts, district two. [1:22:24, 1:22:31]: District four and district five and a portion of the city, just so the citizens can be informed. [1:22:31, 1:22:33]: Of what it will take. [1:22:33, 1:22:34]: To [1:22:35, 1:22:36]: have improvements done. [1:22:37, 1:22:39]: All the way down Flipper Road. [1:22:39, 1:22:41]: It would take a joint effort. [1:22:41, 1:22:42]: between district two [1:22:43, 1:22:45]: Four, five, and the city. [1:22:45, 1:22:49]: Um and I just want and and I want everyone to know that. [1:22:49, 1:22:52]: Um it is flip and road is considered county's responsibility. [1:22:53, 1:22:57]: I don't see it on the list. I don't know if we've had anything or any plans for improvements. [1:22:58, 1:22:59]: But four. [1:22:59, 1:23:05]: You know, since then I do know that one of the challenges peop people were asking about widening the road. [1:23:06, 1:23:08]: One of the challenges is there's a bridge there. [1:23:09, 1:23:09]: Um [1:23:10, 1:23:16]: that if you pass it you'll say, Oh, okay, I get I get it now. Um there's a under prep pass there. [1:23:16, 1:23:19]: Um that would be of challenge and very costly. [1:23:19, 1:23:25]: So, you know, sidewalks, a lot of people are going the walking that road at night. It has become very dangerous. [1:23:26, 1:23:29]: Um, and is something that I am concerned about as well. [1:23:29, 1:23:30]: Um [1:23:31, 1:23:45]: I would love to see the trails connect like Councilman Alexander discussed earlier. I think that's one of our future plans. It would be awesome. Um, I live right here off of Walt Stevens. You go a little bit further down and you see the Lake Spivey Trail. [1:23:46, 1:23:58]: over that could easily be connected to what our vision of of what we the way we want our city all the way to Reeves Creek and continue on. I do see on this list that there are [1:23:59, 1:23:59]: Three. [1:24:00, 1:24:05]: projects, I don't know why they're separated. The M L King Singer Heritage Trail, it looks like they're [1:24:05, 1:24:25]: I mean they're right by each other. Floyd Chapel, Greenfront, and then the remaining of the Heritage Trail. I don't know why it's not lumped together in that way, but I know that that is a uh something that we all want done for our downtown. But I just wanted to give that comment so that people are aware of what districts Flippin' Road is in. [1:24:25, 1:24:25]: Yeah. [1:24:26, 1:24:30]: Um and so we will need the help and cooperation of our county commissioners. [1:24:31, 1:24:32]: Uh. [1:24:33, 1:24:50]: Councilwoman stand by. Go ahead, Mr. Knight. Stand by. Real quick, Councilman Gantt, the reason why they were listed uh separately, although they essentially linked together, is because that's the way they were listed in the uh bicycle, pedestrian trail plan. They specifically were listed separately. So I went ahead and listed them separately since they were uh listed separately in that plan. [1:24:51, 1:24:51]: Thank you. [1:24:52, 1:24:53]: Mr. Alzheimer's, go ahead, sir. [1:24:53, 1:25:01]: Yes, uh in in regards to Councilwoman Gantt, I think that is a very uh uh excellent point and I think that's something that we should bring up. [1:25:01, 1:25:08]: uh at the meeting tomorrow night. That's this is a joint meeting. Now I do understand the Henry County in their comprehensive plan. [1:25:09, 1:25:29]: do has do have a plan to widen flip and rope the entirety of it. But that will require a total effort on everybody's part and a partnership with G DOT. Should the T supplots pass, there's a two billion dollar deficit here in Henry County. And we go to them with the two two hundred million dollars in projects that we're moving forward. We [1:25:29, 1:25:49]: expect that we have skin in the game and they will help us move forward. But this is an excellent thing that we should bring up tomorrow at that meeting. We have all of those commissioners there and they could discuss easily what what uh funding mechanism that they expect to bring to bear in order to widen Flipman Road because it [1:25:49, 1:25:54]: is in their comprehensive plan and an extension down uh to Jonesboro Road. [1:25:54, 1:26:14]: It should be noted on the new Broeder Farm development, it will be required to build a 10-foot multi-use path along all of the frontage on Walt Stevens Road. That is one of the requirements. So the in their master trail plan and their overlay, it covers all of the major thoroughfares. So when they build Broder Farm, they will have [1:26:14, 1:26:20]: have to build a ten foot path along all of that portion along Walt Stevens Road. [1:26:21, 1:26:30]: Mr. Mayor. Go right ahead, sir. Mayor Fortin. I I do wanna echo that too, but I do just wanna uh say tonight and some of the other staff that that may not know. [1:26:31, 1:26:46]: at least five, maybe six uh subdivisions um on uh flipping that's in the city of Stockbridge. I'm not sure what the brothers farm, but uh seemed that a traffic light probably gonna be needed there. [1:26:46, 1:26:51]: Um there are times when you cannot get out on flipping. [1:26:51, 1:27:01]: So uh I just started just putting all this into the mix for the conversation. And with this 300 plus unit coming at the voters farm, uh it's gonna be hell. [1:27:02, 1:27:02]: It is. [1:27:03, 1:27:15]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I I agree with that.'Cause I live right around the corner from there. Myself and Dan live in Monarch Village and we go down that way all the time to get to the highway. Or get to cover it all the time. [1:27:15, 1:27:20]: Yeah, you know it's it's about five or six seven million that's in the city limits down there. Yeah, I understand. [1:27:21, 1:27:21]: I understand. [1:27:21, 1:27:30]: I would, if I may, Mayor, I and I certainly understand uh the sentiments of the council as it relates to that uh very large subdivision, but I would offer this. [1:27:30, 1:27:33]: Um Henry County approved that subdivision. [1:27:34, 1:27:38]: And we should seek to find out what remedy they are going to provide. [1:27:38, 1:27:40]: [5261.3, 5268.9]: Again, I'm not saying that it you know it couldn't lend itself to some type of joint project, but Henry County is the one who approved that and therefore [1:27:49, 1:27:50]: In my view [1:27:50, 1:27:55]: We certainly would want to find out what the uh transportation enhancements are. [1:27:55, 1:27:58]: uh to provide relief for that uh uh and handle [1:27:59, 1:28:01]: uh the transportation network for that subdivision. [1:28:02, 1:28:08]: Good point. We need to do that as well. All right. Any more questions for Mr. Knight and a discussion we need to have about the project list here? [1:28:10, 1:28:15]: No, I'm good. If if not, uh I well I and let me ask this. How about um [1:28:15, 1:28:17]: Uh Mr Blount, you got anything, sir? [1:28:18, 1:28:20]: Yeah, just real quick uh [1:28:20, 1:28:23]: When you look at the project list, you look at when we talked about [1:28:23, 1:28:27]: Uh, the wising of Rock Quarry Road, we talked about monies that that was uh [1:28:28, 1:28:31]: previously allocated for Rock Rock Quarter Road. [1:28:31, 1:28:33]: Because they've already done the um [1:28:34, 1:28:39]: They've already done the uh uh survey on Rock Square World and the D uh G dot [1:28:39, 1:28:44]: has already had their meetings in the in the Henry County uh portion with the Iraqi they've had their [1:28:44, 1:28:45]: Meetings. [1:28:45, 1:28:48]: Um, I I'd like to find out if this project [1:28:49, 1:28:53]: is gonna be ready to go move go ahead and move forward with this T-SPLOST. [1:28:53, 1:28:56]: Virges being a process because of so much money. [1:28:56, 1:28:59]: uh trying to w widen the whole flippin' road. [1:28:59, 1:29:06]: Will this floss itself go ahead and move forward with the project of widening rock quarry road, which is well needed right now? [1:29:07, 1:29:09]: It's been needed for quite a while and and have [1:29:09, 1:29:15]: to have such a uh important road that uh road that was going to the emergency room or the hospital. [1:29:15, 1:29:19]: The only uh you know, the hospital that's in the county i in in in the city limits [1:29:19, 1:29:23]: in the county area, we need to go ahead and get that done because it's it's it's [1:29:23, 1:29:27]: has become a hazard for a long time and the project has already started, but [1:29:27, 1:29:29]: Will this would this tea splot finish it? [1:29:30, 1:29:35]: And then you start whatever needs to be allocated and and state funding or whatever need to happen. [1:29:36, 1:29:39]: For uh flip and road because they put the cop [1:29:39, 1:29:41]: caught before the horse, if you will, because [1:29:42, 1:29:44]: You know, there's hundreds of th there's been [1:29:45, 1:29:47]: Several people that have been asking [1:29:47, 1:29:51]: about but prior to uh them approving this uh [1:29:51, 1:29:55]: this project over on flip a road, what are you gonna do with the infrastructure? [1:29:55, 1:29:57]: What are you gonna do about the infrastructure? [1:29:57, 1:30:00]: And not one time they they they've addressed that prior to [1:30:01, 1:30:07]: uh something substantially substantiated to the people that they're gonna move forward to with anything prior to uh [1:30:07, 1:30:11]: approving this project. So I I like to see Rock Court Rose and [1:30:11, 1:30:15]: This project already been started to go ahead and and and finish it with the cheese block. [1:30:16, 1:30:19]: I appreciate it. Miss Alexander, you got something else, sir? [1:30:19, 1:30:39]: Yeah, I do because uh actually I saw this posting. They're having a meeting tomorrow in in response to Councilman Blount. There there actually is a meeting tomorrow from uh four, I think from four to seven uh at the office at the same time on Rock Quarry Road, so citizens can give input and I would I'm I plan on go [1:30:39, 1:30:47]: Going myself as well. Right. I believe it's I believe it may be four to eight, but somewhere in that time frame tomorrow. That is correct, Councilman Alexander. That's right. [1:30:48, 1:30:51]: Councilwoman Barb Councilwoman Barb, you got anything else you want to add at all? [1:31:00, 1:31:01]: Housewoman Barber. [1:31:01, 1:31:03]: So you have to need that? [1:31:03, 1:31:04]: Had [1:31:05, 1:31:06]: Okay. [1:31:06, 1:31:10]: All right. If there are no other comments then uh Mayor, Mayor got a question. [1:31:10, 1:31:12]: Yes, sir. [1:31:12, 1:31:15]: I'm sorry, I was clear but I throat I I thought I had no beef. [1:31:15, 1:31:20]: Uh this meeting is saying about Rock Quarry Road uh [1:31:20, 1:31:21]: It's tomorrow. What time? [1:31:23, 1:31:25]: I believe it is four to eight. [1:31:25, 1:31:28]: Like I believe it's an open house from four to eight. [1:31:29, 1:31:30]: At Henry County Government. [1:31:32, 1:31:33]: Now what is this meeting? [1:31:34, 1:31:37]: gonna be about prior to the meetings they've already had. That's what I'm trying to figure out. [1:31:39, 1:31:46]: I don't know specifically, I'd assume that it would prelude the construction of the project, but I don't know I'll [1:31:46, 1:31:50]: Seek to find some information out to you and provide that to you by email. [1:31:50, 1:31:55]: And the reason I'm asking because G Dot had already put out the mappings and everything on a potential [1:31:55, 1:31:59]: Turnaround, turn uh turnabouts and all that because uh when they had the one over uh [1:32:00, 1:32:05]: Uh they showed the the how much right away they're gonna have to acquire throughout the whole project. [1:32:05, 1:32:10]: And and as far as I'm understanding they I don't know if they've started acquiring right away. I know they've done the survey. [1:32:12, 1:32:13]: All right. All right. Uh [1:32:14, 1:32:21]: Mr. I mean, excuse me, um Mr. Knight, so you're gonna check out check it out further and see what you can find out and give us sentence a message, I guess? I will, yes. [1:32:21, 1:32:34]: Okay. Ms. Alexander, go ahead, sir. Yeah, yeah, just a little bit more information on it. From what I read, uh the meeting is gonna be for the property owners because uh they can see uh understand and have discussion. [1:32:34, 1:32:37]: on what the impact of the um [1:32:37, 1:32:39]: acquisitions are going to be [1:32:40, 1:32:42]: And for the general public at large. [1:32:43, 1:32:44]: Okay. [1:32:44, 1:32:45]: Are there other comments? [1:32:46, 1:32:54]: And if not, I'd like to have a motion to adjourn our special call meeting. Yes, may I may adjust to Mr. Al Ms uh Mr. Alexander real quick. [1:32:54, 1:32:57]: Those are the meetings that G Dot has already had. [1:32:57, 1:33:00]: In fact they the some properties are only gonna have five feet. [1:33:01, 1:33:05]: Ha the roadway is gonna be only five feet from I'm saying those meetings is I [1:33:05, 1:33:07]: This is where I'm saying they stop. [1:33:07, 1:33:13]: And I'm trying to figure out how they're gonna pick up and complete the project'cause those meetings have already been had. [1:33:13, 1:33:15]: All those beatings are how much right away [1:33:15, 1:33:21]: Each subdivision are gonna have taken away from them where the turnabout's gonna be, where the potential lights gonna be. [1:33:22, 1:33:22]: Uh [1:33:22, 1:33:27]: Surveying what uh lands uh what what areas need to be uh right away acquisition. [1:33:27, 1:33:28]: All of this has been done. [1:33:29, 1:33:35]: And see to go over this again just prolongs the project. Are they gonna take this th T splash [1:33:35, 1:33:46]: And move that's what I'd like to know if they're gonna move forward was already on the table and now work on flipping road and all these other things that we just talked about. If not, then then I just don't want the county sitting here stalling projects. [1:33:47, 1:33:51]: once again, that they can now move forward with because some m groundwork have already been done. [1:33:52, 1:34:05]: Well, I I would hope that uh they I mean they have made a strong indication with the thirty two million dollars uh on the T-SPLOST and I'm hoping that the commissioners would actually approve that on the final list. [1:34:05, 1:34:07]: If so, then they'll have the money. [1:34:07, 1:34:13]: Because once the T splash is approved, it'll go into effect, I think, within April and they'll start collecting the money on it. [1:34:15, 1:34:19]: Once again, miss night and see what you can find out. Let us know before the meeting tomorrow, sir. [1:34:21, 1:34:36]: I will I will do that, sir. Absolutely. And I think, you know, G DOT oftentimes will have multiple meetings to ensure that stakeholders are given an ample opportunity to provide comments on a particular project, but it certainly will provide you with additional information on tomorrow evening's meeting. [1:34:36, 1:34:37]: All right. [1:34:37, 1:34:39]: Once again, okay, Miss Gantt. [1:34:39, 1:34:43]: Okay, real quick, Mr Knighton. Um, if you could [1:34:44, 1:34:55]: Send us that list. I think those are new wish the different districts and their potential possible road projects if you haven't already for tomorrow. [1:34:55, 1:35:01]: I'm sorry, you're talking about the Henry County list? The Henry County list. Yes, I did send that to you earlier. Um [1:35:01, 1:35:07]: Earlier this afternoon, I probably hadn't had a chance to look at it. Um, but uh yeah, it all of that is contained there. [1:35:07, 1:35:12]: And it's a spreadsheet so you can go down to each tab for each district in their resurfacing project. [1:35:13, 1:35:26]: Okay. So those are just resurfacing and maintenance projects. On on the district list, there's the there's the main list with the road projects that they've got. Okay. And then they're yeah, the district lists mainly have resurfacing. Yes, that's correct. [1:35:26, 1:35:34]: So and by the way, everybody, I did pull up the City of Stockbridge twenty ten list from the county. Um [1:35:35, 1:35:48]: SDS agreement and they were using SPLOSS funds for those. And two other projects that that have not been completed is um with the city of Stockbridge that were the counter responsibility was Mount Zion Road. [1:35:49, 1:35:51]: And Walt Stevens wrote. [1:35:51, 1:35:54]: And so the money was allocated for those back. [1:35:55, 1:35:58]: It looks like in 2010 through Splost, just so you know. [1:35:58, 1:36:04]: And I'll forward that to you. I'll forward it over to you. I don't have a dollar amount allocated on here. [1:36:04, 1:36:05]: I'll pour you what I have. [1:36:06, 1:36:09]: Okay. Thank you. Appreciate that. Also mayor. [1:36:09, 1:36:09]: Yes, sir. [1:36:10, 1:36:10]: Mayor. [1:36:10, 1:36:20]: Go right in. You remember that they did the right away, they did the survey with the one point two million dollars that came in. Remember that it was uh one point two million dollars. Remember they [1:36:21, 1:36:22]: Uh when uh Commissioner uh [1:36:23, 1:36:24]: A press [1:36:24, 1:36:27]: when Blake uh Prince was in there, he was trying to get [1:36:27, 1:36:31]: The city of stock bridge to put skin in the game for those for those purposes, but [1:36:31, 1:36:35]: the uh with monies that came in I think the state uh would uh [1:36:35, 1:36:39]: Here we kind of DOT somebody to bought me money, I think it was one point two million dollars. [1:36:40, 1:36:43]: All the preliminaries on that was already done with that money. [1:36:43, 1:36:44]: And the survey. [1:36:45, 1:36:47]: Good job. Gotcha. [1:36:47, 1:36:48]: Anything else? [1:36:50, 1:36:53]: All right. If not, I'd like to make uh have a motion to adjourn the meeting, please. [1:36:54, 1:36:55]: So move. [1:36:55, 1:36:56]: Is there a second? [1:36:56, 1:36:59]: Second. All right. All in favor, please indicate. [1:36:59, 1:37:00]: Yeah. [1:37:00, 1:37:01]: All right. [1:37:01, 1:37:05]: Meetings adjourned. I'll see you all tomorrow. Evening. Thank you. [1:37:05, 1:37:06]: Thanks. [1:37:06, 1:37:07]: Take safe. [1:37:07, 1:37:08]: Yes, absolutely. Stay safe now. [1:37:11, 1:37:13]: Stay safe, that's right. [1:37:42, 1:37:45]: