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--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2025-01-13 source: 2025-01-13_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:00:54, 0:01:14]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are now live and so we'll get started on a ceremonial portion. Uh welcome to our first uh official meeting of uh FY 2025. And the first meeting of every year happens in Tennessee to be a lot of ceremonial aspects and swearing in of of new individuals that have been approved by the council to serve in the city. [0:01:14, 0:01:16]: And sir, you are first, okay? [0:01:18, 0:01:25]: So this deals with the Henry County Transportation Advisory Group, oath of office now. Uh no, good to see you as well. So we're [0:01:25, 0:01:28]: Crest is right there, so if you don't mind, raise your right hand. [0:01:28, 0:01:48]: And repeat after me, I and state your name. I Neil Gonzalez. Do you solemnly swear and affirm? Do solemnly swear and affirm. That will faithfully performed. I will faithfully performed. The duties of the Henry County Transportation Advisory Group. The duties of the Henry County Transportation Advisory Group. The d the duties of the transportation Henry County. Henry County Transportation Advisory. There you go. [0:01:48, 0:02:08]: Group as a representative as a representative for the city of Stockbridge for the city of Stockbridge and that I will to the best of my ability to the best of my abilities support and defend the charter thereof as well as the constitution as well as the constitution and the laws of the state of Georgia United States of America [0:02:08, 0:02:16]: Affirm that upon assumption of this office. Upon assumption of the office. I do not hold any unaccountable public money. [0:02:16, 0:02:18]: in the owner of current public money. [0:02:18, 0:02:27]: Due and payable to the state. Do and payable to the state. Any political subdivision of the state. Any political subdivision of the state. The city of Stockbridge. The city of Stockbridge. Or any authority thereof. [0:02:28, 0:02:29]: Does he talk about any authority thereof? [0:02:30, 0:02:32]: Nor do I hold nor do I hold any other office. [0:02:33, 0:02:53]: No do we hold any other office? Of trust. Of trust. Of the government. Of the government. Of the United States. Of the United States. Of this state. Of this state. Or any foreign state. Or any foreign state as prescribed. As prescribed. By the law. By the law of the state of Georgia. State of Georgia. I will perform the duties of my office. Perform the duties of my office. In the best interest of the city of State. [0:02:53, 0:03:06]: Stockbridge to the best of my ability without fear. Without fear favor affection, reward reward or expectation thereof. Or expectation thereof. And it's the thirteenth day of January 2025. [0:03:07, 0:03:12]: Congratulations, sir. Thank you, sir. Okay, so y she wants to there's a mic in the way, I guess. [0:03:15, 0:03:18]: Thank you. Okay, so we need to sign this. [0:03:18, 0:03:19]: And uh [0:03:20, 0:03:32]: And actually uh Emil, I don't know if you wanna you know the floor is yours also if you wanna say anything in reference to your renewal of your position to serve the city of Stump Bridge. [0:03:32, 0:03:35]: Thank you for the opportunity. I look forward to working with each and everyone. [0:03:35, 0:03:36]: All right. [0:03:38, 0:03:45]: Okay, so yeah, two copies right here, and you you sign there and uh the one right below there. [0:03:56, 0:04:00]: Okay, thank you. [0:04:02, 0:04:15]: Yes. And so we're gonna do the Citizens Police Advisory Council, Mr. Banks, World Traveler, Mr. Banks, please. And uh I guess just him by himself. That's it sir. Yeah, thank you. [0:04:17, 0:04:37]: So next time you go hobnobbing around the world, let us all know. So come come and join you. Go hobnob around. It was fun though. I bet. I bet you had a good time. Yes it is. All right, sir. If you don't mind, raise your right hand. Uh-huh. Repeat after me. I state your name. I, Nathan Banks. A board member. Do Solomon Swear in the Firm. Do sol [0:04:37, 0:04:57]: Solomon swear and affirm. That I will faithfully perform. That I will faithfully perform. The duties of the Citizen Police Advisory Council. The duty of the police advisory council. Citizen Police Advisory Council. Citizen Police Advisory Council. Of the City of Stockbridge. Of the City of Stockbridge. And that I will? That I will. To the best of my ability. To the best of my ability. Support and defend. Support and [0:04:57, 0:05:17]: The charter thereof. The charter thereof. As well as the constitution. As well as constitution. And the laws of the state of Georgia. Of the laws of the state of Georgia. And the United States of America. And the United States of America. I further affirm that. I further affirm that. Upon assumption of this office. Upon assumption of this office. I do not hold any. I do not hold any. Unaccounted for public money. And accountant for public money. [0:05:17, 0:05:37]: Do unpayable to the state, any political subdivision of the state, the city of Stockbridge, or any authority thereof, nor do I, nor do I, hold any other office of trust, hold any office of trust of the government, of the United States, of this state, of this state, or any foreign state of any foreign state as prescribed. [0:05:37, 0:05:49]: I spectral. By the law of the law. Of the state of Georgia. Of the state of Georgia. I have not been convicted. I have not been convicted. Of any felonies. Of any felonies. Involving moral turpitude. Of moral turpitude. [0:05:49, 0:06:09]: In this state, in this state, or any other state. In any other state. I perform the duties of my office to the best interests of the city of Stockbridge. And to the best of my ability. To the best of my ability. Without fear, without favor, favor. Affection. Affection. Reward. Or expectation thereof. This is the thirteen day of January twenty. [0:06:09, 0:06:17]: 2025. Congratulations, sir. Thank you, sir. Okay. Appreciate it. Sir, the floor is yours if you want. No one's good. Oh, sorry. Mm-hmm. Hands up. Okay. [0:06:19, 0:06:20]: All right. [0:06:21, 0:06:27]: Any any words of wisdom, sir, that you uh wanna keep it going. Twenty twenty five. Twenty twenty five. All right. Mm-hmm. All right. [0:06:32, 0:06:35]: Okay, sir, you have here and there. Okay. [0:06:43, 0:07:03]: All right. So uh Vanessa, you need I just leave these right here for you or okay. That is it, sir. This is my pen. Okay, I'm sorry, you can have you can you can have uh you can have the pen. Okay. No I no he's got he's got he's got a so let's do here. [0:07:02, 0:07:08]: Stanley's here. Uh Jaden's here. Tromica. [0:07:10, 0:07:12]: Sir Ms. What uh [0:07:13, 0:07:14]: Wallet? [0:07:14, 0:07:15]: Walking down. [0:07:16, 0:07:19]: Okay, let's let's let's hold off for just a second. So we'll [0:07:20, 0:07:25]: Okay, so let's do okay. [0:07:26, 0:07:36]: Valerie. Okay, yeah, okay. So the youth council value. So okay, Valerie's here. Dr. Thomas Smith is here. All right. Miss Nash? [0:07:38, 0:07:48]: Okay. Ms. uh coins? Yes. Okay. And Miss Carter. Yes. [0:07:49, 0:07:57]: Okay, all right. All right, so let's let's uh let's start with the uh let's go with the uh youth council advisory committee members. Oh you come on up [0:07:58, 0:07:59]: Yes, there's no question. [0:08:06, 0:08:09]: Can you all you stand right here, please, in this area? [0:08:12, 0:08:32]: You can fa face me. If you can face me. And when we'll make sure we have the the crest of the city right there. All right. So you've seen a couple of this happen a couple times already, so raise your right hand and I'll try to take the small little snippets and I need you for I. I state your name. Committee member. Committee member. Do you solemnly swear and affirm? Do solemnly swear and affirm. [0:08:32, 0:08:52]: That I will faithfully perform. That I will faithfully perform. The duties of the youth council advisory committee. The duties of the youth council advisory committee. Of the city of Stockbridge. Of the city of Stockbridge. And that I will to the best of my ability. To the best of my ability. Support and defend. Support and defend the charter thereof. The charter thereof. As well as a consequence. [0:08:52, 0:09:12]: As well as the Constitution and laws of the state of Georgia and laws of the State of Georgia and the United States of America and the United States of America. I further affirm that. I further affirm that upon assumption of this office, I do not hold any unaccounted for public money. Any unaccounted for public money do unpayable [0:09:12, 0:09:32]: To the state, doing payable to the state. Any political subdivision of the state. Any political subdivision of the state. The city of Stockbridge. The city of Stockbridge. Or any authority thereof. Nor do I hold, nor do I hold any other office of trust of trust of the government of the United States. Of the government of the United States. [0:09:32, 0:09:52]: Of this state of this state or any foreign state or any foreign state as prescribed as prescribed by the law of the state of Georgia. By the laws of the state of Georgia. I will perform the duties of my office in the best interest of the city of Stockbridge in the best of my ability without fear. [0:09:52, 0:10:08]: Without fear. Favor. Favor. Affection. Affection. Reward expectation. Reward expectation. Thereof. Thereof. That's the 13th day of January 2025. Congratulations. Okay. So okay, we got several signatures here. [0:10:09, 0:10:20]: Everybody's gonna sign at least two. I'm gonna sign them all. Congratulations to everybody. And and and after leave anybody can uh go ahead and start if you have any comments that you wanna [0:10:21, 0:10:30]: make in reference to your assignment here? My only comment is stockbridge where community connects. [0:10:31, 0:10:39]: The only that's me to do all the top. Yes, sir. Yeah, we can do that, sure. [0:10:40, 0:10:43]: Anybody else want to take the floor and say anything at all? [0:10:44, 0:10:55]: It is yours. I continue serving in this role. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Let's see how many times have I done this? I am the longest standing. [0:10:55, 0:11:00]: Members started and continued to serve as U count survivors. [0:11:03, 0:11:05]: Do you put you away with me? [0:11:08, 0:11:10]: Anybody else? [0:11:11, 0:11:22]: Yeah, you all need to sign these as well. Yeah, two everybody has two to sign. And we're gonna take a group picture. Okay, so I got part of it. [0:11:23, 0:11:33]: But here's here this Miss Boynes is right here. And here we go, Dr. Snap. [0:11:38, 0:11:42]: Well congratulations once again. All right. [0:11:44, 0:11:47]: Watching after our our youth there. [0:11:49, 0:11:51]: Yes. [0:11:59, 0:12:06]: So you're the longest standing I'm the longest standing youth disaster. From start [0:12:07, 0:12:09]: From the very beginning. [0:12:20, 0:12:20]: Okay. [0:12:21, 0:12:23]: [744.7, 745.4]: Yeah. [0:12:40, 0:12:41]: Okay. [0:12:41, 0:12:44]: Everybody come on down this way. We're gonna take a picture right in this general facility. [0:12:45, 0:12:46]: All right. I'm gonna put it right here. [0:12:47, 0:12:48]: Into [0:12:48, 0:12:50]: Come on in there. [0:12:50, 0:12:57]: You know what, let me get on the chair. [0:12:58, 0:13:01]: So you don't want to shoot it, but we're coming off our stage. [0:13:15, 0:13:22]: Congratulations. Thank you once again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [0:13:23, 0:13:34]: So what we have next would be the okay would be the planning commission, so Mr. Julius, uh Williams, and Ms. Walker. Why don't you come on up? [0:13:35, 0:13:35]: Yeah. [0:13:39, 0:13:59]: Yeah you do find fine sort of budget? All right, so all right. Right over on this side here. How you doing? Good. So you're looking for someone to give you a camera to? Yeah. Yeah, that's it. How you doing? Okay. No, I was uh talking uh Mr. Schmidt, I used to. Okay. [0:13:59, 0:14:10]: Okay, good deal. So while we uh I want you to face me, but won't since you're all only why don't you put put her in the middle. Put her in the middle. Face me and raise your right hand. Okay, yeah. Okay, do you yeah, you can put that down if you like. [0:14:21, 0:14:26]: I know. Okay. Raise your right hand. Okay. I'll take a little snippets there. So I state your name. [0:14:27, 0:14:47]: I stand Ludomus. Do solemnly swear and affirm. Do solemnly swear and affirm. That I will faithfully perform. That I will faithfully perform. The duties as a member of the City of Stockbridge Planning Commission. As a member of the City of Stockbridge Planning Commission. And that I will to the best of my ability. Support and defend. [0:14:47, 0:15:07]: Support and defend the charter thereof as well as the constitution as well as the constitution and the laws of the state of Georgia of the State of Georgia and the United States of America and the United States of America. I further affirm that. I further affirm that upon assumption of this office, upon assumption of this office, I do not hold any unaccounted for public money. [0:15:07, 0:15:27]: Money in a hunt accountable public money. Do unpayable to the state. Do unpayable to the state. In a political subdivision of the state. In a political subdivision of the state. The city of Stockbridge. The city of Stockbridge. Or any authority thereof. Nor do I hold any other office of trust. Of the government. Of the government of the United States. [0:15:27, 0:15:47]: Of this state of this state or any foreign state or in the forest as prescribed as prescribed by the law of the state of Georgia. I will perform the duties of my office in the best interest of the city of Stockbridge and to the best of my ability without fear, without favor. [0:15:46, 0:15:55]: Favor. Affection. Affection. Reward or expectation thereof. Reward or expectation thereof. And it's thirteen day of January 2025. [0:15:57, 0:16:10]: Congratulations. Congratulations. All right. So we sign we'll sign off with this. Listen to each. Once again, the floor is yours. One at a time, please. [0:16:11, 0:16:17]: I'd just like to say to the mayor and the city council, I appreciate the opportunity to serve again. [0:16:18, 0:16:21]: I think that means that you were happy with service so far. [0:16:22, 0:16:23]: And I thank you for that. [0:16:24, 0:16:33]: I also like to welcome back Mr. Williams to the Commission and our newest member, Miss Tamika Walker. Thank you very much. [0:16:35, 0:16:37]: Anybody else? Go ahead, please. [0:16:38, 0:16:58]: First and foremost, I would like to thank my friends and family for coming out. Um it was it turned out bigger than what I actually planned it to be. So I'm thankful that everybody took the time out to come out and support me. I also thank Mr. Uh Commissioner Elton Alexander for nominating me to this position. [0:16:58, 0:17:10]: So uh I promise to do you will. And thank you, Mr. Mayor for for swearing me in. Uh that's it. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. [0:17:13, 0:17:14]: Yeah, but [0:17:14, 0:17:18]: I'm just excited to continue to do the work, so let's work stock bridge. [0:17:18, 0:17:19]: Mm-hmm. [0:17:21, 0:17:24]: That's yours is over here. Is it right dead? [0:17:25, 0:17:31]: I'll come around this. Oh yeah, I'll have a tendency to do that. [0:17:47, 0:17:56]: Okay, we're gonna take a photo of myself here, yeah. Couple hours out with all you all. So right up right over here. Let's do this, uh [0:17:56, 0:18:01]: [1082.2, 1087.2]: I want to be on the end. I want the only end. Alright. [0:18:07, 0:18:08]: Right. [0:18:13, 0:18:15]: [1106.5, 1109.6]: This location of the city is that we're right. [0:18:39, 0:18:54]: Congratulations. Congratulations to everybody. Okay. All right. Congratulations to you. Okay. All right. And this is uh this is yours. Well thank you. All right, good deal. All right. The last uh thing I have is a proclamation. [0:18:54, 0:19:03]: Please sit down if you like. You know, I would imagine you all realize that Stockbridge is an ancestral home to the King family. [0:19:03, 0:19:23]: I'm I'm assuming that you all knew that. Alright? So it is well, it's actually very appropriate anyway, regardless of what city you're in, to do a proclamation to honor Martin Luther King uh Jr. Day. And Wednesday is actually his birthday, but Monday, one week from the day is the actual uh holida national holiday. So on that [0:19:23, 0:19:43]: That note we have a proclamation to uh honor uh Martin Luther King Jr. And we spell especially special tribute, I guess, since uh Starburby's is the ancestral Homer King family. And I have Alvin Brother is pretty special about that too, that he happens to be my fraternity brother, Alpha Fraternity Incorporated. [0:19:43, 0:19:45]: So yes, ma'am. [0:19:45, 0:19:48]: You can't hear me? Oh, the mic's over there. [0:19:48, 0:20:03]: All right, well anyway. So let me let's let me read this and uh I'm joined by Councilman Alexander here. Martin Luther King Junior Day. Whereas Martin Luther King Jr. was born Michael Luther King Junior at noon on Tuesday, January fifteenth, nineteen twenty nine. [0:20:03, 0:20:09]: and his family home in Atlanta, Georgia, to the parents of Martin Luther King Senior and Alberta Williams King. [0:20:09, 0:20:11]: natives of the great city of Stockbridge. [0:20:12, 0:20:14]: He would later be changed his name to Martin. [0:20:14, 0:20:31]: And whereas Martin Luther attended segregated public schools in Georgia, graduating from high school at the age of fifteen and graduating in nineteen forty eight from Morehouse College and enrolled in graduate studies at Boston University, receiving his degree in nineteen fifty-five. In Boston, he met and married Coretta Scott. [0:20:32, 0:20:38]: Two s have two sons, Martin and Dexter, and two daughters, Yolanda and Bernice, were born into the family. [0:20:38, 0:20:43]: Whereas Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. devoted his life to the advancement of civil rights and public service. [0:20:43, 0:20:52]: He believed in a nation of freedom and justice for all and challenged all citizens to help build a more perfect union and to live up to the purpose of and potential of America. [0:20:53, 0:21:13]: Whereas at the age of 35, Martin Luther King Jr. was the youngest man to have received a Nobel Peace Prize in 1964. Whereas President Ronald Reagan signed the Martin Luther King Jr. Federal Holiday into law in 1983, and it was first observed three years later on January 20, 1986. Whereas on August 23rd, 1986, [0:21:13, 0:21:33]: 1994, the King Holiday and Service Act was signed into law by President Bill Clinton. Inspired by King's life of service, Congressman John Lewis and former Senator Harris Woolford proposed a legislation to encourage Americans to find common causes and methods of improving their communities. Now, therefore, I, Anthony S. Ford, by virtual authority, vesting me. [0:21:33, 0:21:41]: As the mayor of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia. Now, on behalf of City Council members Elton, Alexander Yolanda, Barber Kyle, Berry, the Kesie Gannon, Afonso Thomas, do proclaim. [0:21:41, 0:21:46]: January fifteenth, twenty twenty five is Martin Luther King Junior Day in the great city of Stockbridge, Georgia. [0:21:46, 0:22:00]: Your witness thereof I have here undo set my hand and great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the thirteenth day of January, year of our Lord, two thousand and twenty-five. And I signed a proclamation along with our clerk for Nessa Holly. Here you go, ladies and gentlemen. [0:22:01, 0:22:01]: Thank you. [0:22:03, 0:22:15]: So you know what? Well this uh oh uh Mr. Dumas, don't need to leave Jesse. Stand by one second, please. Take take take the sheep sound. Don't write right. Okay. [0:22:20, 0:22:22]: Okay, so hold on a second. Now folks. [0:22:22, 0:22:27]: I want everybody to come up join me. I want to take a picture with everybody here in reference to Prophet Micks. Come on up. Everybody, come on. [0:22:28, 0:22:32]: Come on up, you g if you can walk, come on. You can walk. Come on, let's just take a group pitch here. All right. [0:22:33, 0:22:35]: Why are the words coming up I said? [0:22:35, 0:22:36]: I think I call it. [0:22:37, 0:22:40]: Yes, as uh as the mayor calls everybody up. [0:22:40, 0:22:44]: We have a na a national day of service project. We've done it every year. [0:22:45, 0:22:49]: Uh we're gonna meet on Jodoko Road. Um uh Jodico Road in front of the new Costco. [0:22:50, 0:23:03]: And we're gonna make sure that we show pride in our community. So if you're looking to do a service day uh over the weekend, we're gonna do a service day right here in Stockbridge on Jodeco Road, Saturday morning at the Costco. [0:23:04, 0:23:12]: So I encourage everybody out there to join us and I encourage everybody up here to join us too. Okay. Come on down. Come on down. Come on down. [0:23:13, 0:23:20]: Sure, we it's kinda double up here. Come on down, folks. We got we got get you on this side. We can't mu [0:23:20, 0:23:40]: Come on down. Come on, please. Come on, you're too far down. Come on. Come on this way, please. You can sit you can stand at the back. You can stand at the back. Stand behind me. Come on. Stand stand behind. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. [0:23:40, 0:23:43]: Oh I block everybody in the front. [0:23:43, 0:24:00]: No, no, no. Okay, so hold this. [0:24:00, 0:24:06]: Yeah, the young ones. Okay. Is that bag in away? No. Okay. All right. [0:24:14, 0:24:15]: Yeah, uh yeah. [0:24:20, 0:24:24]: [1465.0, 1465.8]: [0:24:27, 0:24:28]: This way I'm going to read here. [0:24:54, 0:24:58]: We would say stop respect to be making this. [0:24:59, 0:25:00]: And everybody does. [0:25:01, 0:25:02]: Mm-hmm. [0:25:05, 0:25:09]: Math of the camera's picking you up all three. One, two. [0:25:09, 0:25:16]: Tharbury is the ancestral King family and happy Martin Luther King Sr. Excuse me Junior holiday. [0:25:17, 0:25:37]: Well we're starting. Oh, starting to go. Okay. Hey take two. Take two. Okay. I think Mary Walt was speaking at Kelvin Alexander. At the end everyone clapped and cheered. Okay? How about everybody saying we're community connect instead of just coming in? [0:25:37, 0:25:52]: And then you say stop bridge is where community connects. So let's practice that. Oh three. Okay. Okay. [0:25:52, 0:25:56]: Stockbridge is where community connects. That sounds good. [0:25:57, 0:25:58]: All right, take two. [0:25:59, 0:26:00]: We have four. [0:26:02, 0:26:12]: Stockbridge is the ancestral home of King Fabric. I'm sorry, what happened? Yeah, sorry. Okay. Okay, take three. [0:26:13, 0:26:14]: Bracking camera. [0:26:16, 0:26:25]: Stockbridge is ancestral in the King family. Have a very happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Stockbridge is where we connects. [0:26:30, 0:26:34]: Three takes, two takes, three takes. [0:26:34, 0:26:54]: I'm gonna gallery rich movies. I've been on the um oh I can know that. Okay, so uh okay. [0:26:54, 0:27:07]: No, I mean you know I would have a catch-up. [0:27:07, 0:27:18]: [1638.9, 1658.0]: All right, good job. Okay, so if you you need to take T hold on C your subject. Yeah, sounds good. All right, good. Well Nelson, we gotta give you all one too. A proclamation. Absolutely. [0:27:38, 0:27:41]: What happened to him property, man? You know how they do. [0:27:42, 0:27:56]: Congratulations. Yeah, no, hey, same, same way, same way. Congratulations. Thank you for serving. Absolutely. No problem. Okay. [0:27:57, 0:28:17]: LK. District five retroces. We're gonna replay. [0:28:17, 0:28:25]: [1705.0, 1722.1]: Well good, I'll just do the same. Right. [0:28:42, 0:28:45]: [1726.2, 1731.3]: [0:30:08, 0:30:11]: Oh, yeah. [0:30:21, 0:30:23]: All right, I'm trying to turn this on down. [0:30:25, 0:30:34]: He said we're ready to go earlier. Yeah, you told me earlier we're ready to go. I wanna make sure with you to make sure you're good there. Check it in. [0:30:37, 0:30:39]: Yeah for you. [0:30:39, 0:30:45]: Yeah, yeah. [0:30:48, 0:31:06]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, uh we um gonna start our meeting, our first meeting of the of FY twenty twenty five, uh bridge council meeting, July excuse me, January thirteenth. I have uh six oh four actually. Follow me in order. Please stand for the invocation. [0:31:09, 0:31:11]: And I'll do this this evening. [0:31:11, 0:31:31]: Well, thank you to bring us together once again to do the city's business. Allow us to kick off our twenty twenty-five fiscal year on a great note as we continue to do what is best for our citizenry. Be this always, Lord, to have good logical discussions to make good decisions for the betterment of our community. Be it us always, Lord, in your name. Amen. All right, praise allegiance. [0:31:31, 0:31:42]: Pledge allegiance to Clement Prime, the United States of America, and to Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible of liberty and justice for all. [0:31:43, 0:31:44]: Madam Clerk Raw Call, please. [0:31:48, 0:31:50]: I'm sorry. I'm sorry, before roll call, I'm sorry. [0:31:51, 0:31:55]: What we have here is a public hearing announcement. The following items will not be presented. [0:31:55, 0:31:58]: NSK in AX two zero two four dash zero three. [0:31:59, 0:32:18]: Comprehensive plan amendment case CP two zero two four dash one one and rezoning case RZ two zero two four dash uh twelve. Um additional information uh has to come forward on that's my understanding, so it won't be heard tonight. I'm not sure exactly when do we plan to Mr. Gardner or [0:32:18, 0:32:20]: Ryan, do you have an idea when we plan to bring us back? [0:32:21, 0:32:28]: February? Sometime next month. Okay, February it is. All right, now madam clerk, I'm sorry. [0:32:29, 0:32:32]: It's is I'm sorry. [0:32:32, 0:32:47]: You just mentioned. Yeah, it's um what item uh Brian, could you come to the mic, please? I just want to know which agenda items I could mark it out. Well it's only the it's a public hearing announcement. Okay. Public hearing announcement that says right below it was right between right after the Pledge of Allegiance before the roll call is what I was referring to. [0:32:48, 0:32:56]: And you said Ryan it'd be February before they come back for first meeting in February, yes sir. Okay. Mr. Thomas, are you good now? Yes. [0:32:59, 0:33:00]: Okay. [0:33:01, 0:33:05]: On that thank you, Ryan. Mr. Anson, appreciate it. On that uh roll call please, Madam Clerk. [0:33:06, 0:33:09]: Good evening, everyone. Evening. Mayor Ford. Present. [0:33:11, 0:33:12]: Mayor Pro Tem Berry. [0:33:15, 0:33:25]: Mayor Pro Timberry is not in attendance. Councilmember Alexander. Present. Councilmember Barber. Present. Councilmember Gantt. Present. Councilmember Thomas. Present. [0:33:26, 0:33:29]: Mayor Ford, you have a call. Thank you, Madam Clerk. I appreciate it. [0:33:30, 0:33:50]: Council, um there was a m email message from our attorney in reference to making a request to have our executive session earlier in tonight's agenda to cover a particular issue. So I if that's the case, I'd like to uh ask for a um amendment to to agenda to or excuse me a change of the agenda per se. [0:33:50, 0:33:56]: to have that executive session, if you foresee it, after our consent agenda this evening. [0:33:57, 0:33:58]: Is there a motion to do that, please? [0:33:59, 0:34:00]: Mayor Ford. Yes, Mayor. [0:34:01, 0:34:07]: Um so moved to um have the executive session for [0:34:08, 0:34:21]: Legal personnel and real estate matter. Legal personnel I'm sorry. For um litigation, personnel and real estate matters right after the consent agenda. Consent consent on the agenda. [0:34:21, 0:34:41]: Is there a second that motion? Okay, Mr. Uh Alexander second. All in favor, please indicate? Okay, unanimous decision. Now, Council, I need a motion to accept the rest of the agenda as is, please. So moved. Is there a second? Second. Mr. Tom Mr. Alexander, second that from Ms. Canton, Mr. Alexander. All in favor, please indicate. Thank you very much. Okay. All right. Um [0:34:41, 0:34:56]: So what we have is adoption of the minutes, adoption of December 9th, the 2024 council meeting minutes and December 17 December 17th Council Works session minutes. If there are no changes or additions to that minutes, I need a motion to accept those into the record, please. [0:34:57, 0:35:01]: Mayor Poert. Yes, ma'am. The uh January eighth retreat minutes were also asked. [0:35:02, 0:35:03]: I'm sorry. [0:35:03, 0:35:10]: Yeah. And also I'm sorry, there you go. Uh January eighth uh the [0:35:10, 0:35:28]: actual retreat minutes and everybody should have a copy of that as well to be added for the for approval process. So move okay uh uh uh a repro approve of those minutes in regards to the people who were not here for the retreat, certainly I'm sure they may abstain. [0:35:30, 0:35:35]: Okay. Wow. Okay. Uh on that note, is there a second to the motion? [0:35:36, 0:35:39]: A second. Okay, Mr. Thomas second that all in favor, please indicate. [0:35:40, 0:35:42]: I abstain. Okay. I wasn't present. [0:35:42, 0:35:48]: All right, uh so now that's that's to pro some uh propose a little bit of problem because if we have [0:35:49, 0:36:07]: two abstentions and two yays and I can't vote for that so so we're probably gonna have to take the um the ret the at least the uh January eighth retreat maybe off the motion and read and do this with the other two and maybe have the the retreat at a different time or make sure that uh it's confirmed. [0:36:07, 0:36:17]: Okay, re uh rescind the motion uh to approve the admission the mo the minutes mentioned excluding the January eighth minutes for approval. [0:36:19, 0:36:23]: Okay, is there a second to that motion? I second. Ms. Gantt, Ms. Gantt, you second all favor, please indicate. [0:36:24, 0:36:26]: Okay, so now it's a decision on that point. Thank you very much. [0:36:27, 0:36:47]: Uh, Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments at all? There are no public comments, Mayor. Okay, thank you. As typically for our uh our regular council meetings, we have, of course, a ceremonial piece. And uh obviously being the first meeting of the year, we have several different ceremonial swearing ins and ceremonial issues. Uh we also did a proclam, we did a proclamation, of course. [0:36:47, 0:36:57]: for Martin Luther King Jr. Day and uh great always to do that to a great uh photograph with everybody was here in reference to that. Of course Starbury's the ancestral home of the King family. [0:36:58, 0:37:18]: As we did that, we did swearing in of board members, board of committee members, and Stockbridge Citizens Police Advisory Council. Mr. Nathan, Nathan Banks was sworn in, zone two representative. The Planning Commission, Zone Planning Commission there, in the sense of uh swearing in. Stanley Dumas, District One, Jaden Williams, District Two, and Tamika Walker. [0:37:17, 0:37:20]: District 5 was sworn in. [0:37:20, 0:37:40]: Stockbridge Youth Council Advisory Committee sworn in. Jet Clint, Miss Carter. I'm gonna mess up her first name, right? Ms. Carter. Tariqa Goynes, uh Caitlyn Nash, Valerie Simpson Reese, and Dr. Thomas Smith were all sworn in. And then the Henry County Transportation Advisory Representative for Stockbridge. [0:37:40, 0:37:55]: Bridge um Inel Gonzalez was also sworn in during that uh uh ceremonial peace. All right, and so what we have next would be uh the consent agenda and um [0:37:55, 0:38:15]: On the consent agenda, we have a consideration to uh appoint Alicia Gambles to the Stockbridge Youth Council Advisory Committee for a two-year term, which will expire on twelve uh December thirty-first of twenty twenty-six. Also, council consideration to appoint uh Georgia McGuire, McIntyre, I'm sorry, to Stabridge [0:38:15, 0:38:35]: Youth Council Advisory Committee for a two-year term once again December 31st, 2026, and council consideration to appoint Candace L. Jones to the Stockbridge Youth Council Advisory Committee meeting to fill an unexpired term through December 31st, 2025. That's on the consent of gentlemen. Do I have a motion to assess? [0:38:35, 0:38:38]: Accept that please. So moved. Is there a second? [0:38:39, 0:38:48]: Okay, from Miss Gantt to Mr. Thomas. All fair, please indicate. Okay. On that note now I need a motion to go into executive session, please. [0:38:49, 0:38:51]: I already made the motion. We approved that one, Mayor. [0:38:52, 0:39:05]: Okay. Well we're after okay, we're gonna go into Zecko session at this point, then it's after the consent agenda, so we'll be back. Let's go into Zecco session and and handle our our noted business. Thank you. [0:39:23, 0:39:24]: Is this for [0:39:26, 0:39:30]: Okay. All right, Council, I need a motion to end our executive session, please. [0:39:31, 0:39:42]: So moved. Is there a second? Ms. Ms. Alexander, second then. All in favor, please indicate. All right. All right. Thank you very much for unanimous in that aspect. Now I need a motion to uh reconvene our council meeting, please. So moved. [0:39:43, 0:40:03]: Okay. Miss uh Barber second down all favor please indicate. Thank you very much. And ladies and gentlemen from our segregation session, there's nothing in the sense that we report to you publicly. Uh just wanna let you know that. So we'll move on with our council meeting. And uh we have next is old business, special use permit case sp2024-02. [0:40:03, 0:40:23]: Located in Council District 4 to be considered the board vote only since the public hearing was already held in November 12, 2024. Council consideration of a special use permit request to allow the liquor store on the property 106 Rock Croix Road. Applicant is GRPLLC agent. [0:40:22, 0:40:36]: Uh Mr. Patel. Trying to pronounce your first name as a Humdinger, right? The property is located in Land Lot 62 of District 12, and it contains 0.89 acres. Mr. Anderson, please. [0:40:36, 0:40:42]: Yes, uh this is a continuation of the case that was held in November uh twenty twenty-four. Um [0:40:44, 0:40:46]: The presentation was made in um [0:40:47, 0:40:53]: Towards the end of the presentation and after all the the facts were presented, it was found that the um [0:40:54, 0:40:57]: It was determined that the applicant had code violations that were [0:40:57, 0:40:59]: In the city of Stockbridge Court. [0:40:59, 0:41:11]: Uh we have since got evidence that uh um all those issues have been resolved with the court and the applicant is uh clear to move forward with a special use permit application. [0:41:12, 0:41:26]: And your recommendation, sir, is to Uh the recommendation is still the same from um November twenty twenty four. Uh staff recommends approval. The applicant meets all the requirements of a special use permit according to the City of Stockbridge Unified Development Code. [0:41:26, 0:41:29]: All right, council, any questions that you have for Mr. Anderson? [0:41:30, 0:41:35]: And or if not, is there a motion to approve um this to go forward? [0:41:39, 0:41:41]: Since this is in in my district. [0:41:42, 0:41:49]: I don't support it. I'm going to ask to oppose. That's my motion. Oppose it. Is there a second to that motion? [0:41:51, 0:41:53]: Is there a second to the motion? Certain. [0:41:54, 0:42:12]: Uh the motion has been passed. Uh excuse me, motion has been seconded, excuse me. Excuse me. From Miss uh Barber to Mr uh Mr. Alexander. All right, motion's been made. All right, Ryan, must go ahead please. Uh I would say the applicant wishes to speak [0:42:13, 0:42:13]: All right. [0:42:14, 0:42:16]: Fine. Applicant, come forward and speak, please. [0:42:24, 0:42:38]: No, not a vote yet, but I've I probably should have gave them opportunity to speak prior to taking the motion. I didn't do that. So the motion's still on the floor. The motion's still on the floor. She's speaking on time. It's like just through further discussion. Go ahead, please. [0:42:39, 0:42:48]: Good uh good evening. I'm Lisa Morshauer. I'm an attorney with the law firm of Burman Fink Ban Horn, and I represent Mr. Patel and um the applic the applicant for this. [0:42:48, 0:43:05]: application. Um this is an application that is has been brought forward to you because you voted to allow it to come forward. You had a lottery um because your code says that it once you hit a certain population in size, you have to have um you add another [0:43:05, 0:43:25]: license per certain number of population. And you hit the number and you were able to add two more, you were required to add two more license opportunities to applicants. So this is not something that my client just came up with and said, hey, I want to just come in. It's something that your city council voted to do. [0:43:25, 0:43:45]: And it's because your code mandates that you have it that you allow for the opportunity. So you had very strict criteria about what the application had to include and what kind of application it had to be, where the locations had to be, specifically on Jodica Road and on Rock Quarry Road. [0:43:45, 0:43:48]: Those were the only two locations that an applicant could use. [0:43:49, 0:43:52]: Фортін, а болив, фортін, аплікації сворідфорд. [0:43:52, 0:44:03]: And only two of those applications met the criteria. My client, mister Patel's application, was one of those that met the criteria. It absolutely meets all the criteria to get this. [0:44:04, 0:44:24]: SUP and and get the license. But in order to get the alcohol license, the city code does require that you get a special use permit. So that is why he's standing in front of you right now. He's here, he's back here if you want to speak with him. But he is here because the code does require a special use permit application. [0:44:23, 0:44:32]: I know that you do have discretion in issuing it, but I want I I ask that you consider the fact that the council voted to allow for two new licenses. [0:44:32, 0:44:43]: And this location is a great location. It's on um Rock Quarry Road. It's off the main re m off the main area. It has ample parking. It's a beautiful store. He's taking a location that has um [0:44:44, 0:44:48]: Has been in use as another use, but is renovating it completely. [0:44:48, 0:44:55]: And it isn't um it meets all the distance requirements. It it has um it's an excellent location for this kind of store. It will not [0:44:56, 0:44:59]: Has any traffic issues, it has as I said a lot of parking. [0:44:59, 0:45:19]: Um, I know that there was some issue with his neighbor with a tree, and I don't know if that's impacting the um the motion to not approve it, but that tree issue, my client hired a licensed and bonded tree company to come in and cut down a tree on his own property. Unbeknownst to my client, that company did not get a permit to cut the tree. [0:45:19, 0:45:39]: Down, which he was supposed to have gotten. My client did not know that. He also did not know that the that the tree company accidentally cut down a tree on the other property, not intentionally. My client did not tell him to cut that tree down. So I know that came up before you, and my client went to court over it. I did not go to court with [0:45:39, 0:45:51]: him but he did end up going to court and um that got resolved and and the solicitor found that there was no reason to to charge my client with anything criminal because that it was clearly an accident. [0:45:51, 0:46:11]: And it should have just been handled through the um tree company itself. That's who should have done it. Should they should have gotten the permit and they took responsibility for taking the tree down um accidentally. So that that should not be looked at as my client's uh a fault on my client. And I ask that you not look at it like that. I don't know if that's the reason, but but [0:46:11, 0:46:31]: But this is here because you voted to allow for another license. And this is a great location for this spot. And um I know that I had um previous well, uh another gentleman was here last time speaking on behalf of my client because I couldn't attend. I had a conflict. So Mr. Buckley was here, and I believe he put into the record constitutional objections, which I had also [0:46:31, 0:46:47]: put in at the planning commission. So I want to make sure those are in the record. I have them again just uh to have them. But um but we do ask that you vote favorably for this application because you you granted it, you you granted the opportunity to come forward with applications. [0:46:47, 0:47:01]: And and we ask that you grant it because it does meet all the criteria. He's got he's gonna have a beautiful store. And I think that it will be a very a good asset to this neighborhood. And I I can answer any questions if you have any. [0:47:03, 0:47:05]: Yes, yeah, go ahead, Miss Barber. [0:47:05, 0:47:20]: Hi, thank you. Um so I am the council representative for the area. There was no vote by the council on the location of the two new [0:47:20, 0:47:26]: Look at licenses. So staff they published [0:47:26, 0:47:28]: Um a location [0:47:28, 0:47:30]: In city council district four. [0:47:31, 0:47:31]: That's my district. [0:47:32, 0:47:33]: Each district [0:47:34, 0:47:35]: Was supposed to have [0:47:36, 0:47:36]: At least five. [0:47:36, 0:47:38]: One package door. [0:47:38, 0:47:39]: In their district. [0:47:40, 0:47:41]: Already have one. [0:47:41, 0:47:44]: I already have one that's in City Council District Four. [0:47:45, 0:47:46]: There was no vote. [0:47:47, 0:47:48]: To put a second. [0:47:49, 0:47:50]: Package store. [0:47:50, 0:47:51]: From the council. [0:47:51, 0:47:52]: So [0:47:53, 0:47:59]: The decision by staff to publish or advertise a second location in my district. [0:48:00, 0:48:05]: That was an error or it was at staff's discretion. So my opposition. [0:48:05, 0:48:09]: is in um is the fact that it is in [0:48:10, 0:48:11]: The entryway [0:48:12, 0:48:13]: to our downtown area. [0:48:14, 0:48:16]: I'm the representative. [0:48:16, 0:48:17]: For the downtown area. [0:48:18, 0:48:19]: A package store. [0:48:19, 0:48:21]: It's not something that I believe. [0:48:22, 0:48:23]: Would be attractive. [0:48:23, 0:48:24]: Two [0:48:25, 0:48:33]: New businesses, new investors that are looking to come into our downtown area. Now, of course, I'm only one vote. [0:48:34, 0:48:41]: This is the district that I represent. My councilmates can choose to vote however they decide to. [0:48:41, 0:48:43]: But as for me [0:48:44, 0:48:46]: The businesses that I'd like to see. [0:48:47, 0:48:49]: To help us revitalize our downtown. [0:48:50, 0:48:52]: Don't include a package store. [0:48:52, 0:49:09]: We're looking for something that's gonna help um help us revitalize. And I don't think a package store is gonna bring new businesses, bring new restaurants, that kind of thing. I know this particular location is across the street from an apartment complex. [0:49:09, 0:49:15]: is not only across the street from our apartment complex, it it is um less than [0:49:16, 0:49:21]: I guess a mile, a quarter of a mile away from the forty milyen dollars stem school. [0:49:21, 0:49:22]: That is to be built. [0:49:23, 0:49:25]: It's not only [0:49:25, 0:49:29]: That close to our future stem school, but we have a elementary school. [0:49:30, 0:49:31]: That is a block away. [0:49:32, 0:49:32]: So [0:49:33, 0:49:34]: That is why [0:49:34, 0:49:35]: Our objects. [0:49:36, 0:49:38]: To having a package store there. [0:49:39, 0:49:43]: My councilmates they can choose to vote however they want to. [0:49:43, 0:49:44]: But [0:49:44, 0:49:46]: That's the stance that I'm taking. [0:49:47, 0:49:48]: That's all. Thank you. [0:49:49, 0:49:51]: Councillor, any other questions, concerns? [0:49:51, 0:49:52]: For the applicant. [0:49:52, 0:49:58]: I just have a comment. Go ahead, please. Well mm well, I guess it could be two part it could be a question as well. [0:49:59, 0:50:15]: I heard you speak of the trees, but there was other work that was done on the property prior to um receiving a permit in order to do it that could have messed up some of the drainage flow, um, from my understanding. Some plumbing or some things that were done um [0:50:16, 0:50:36]: prior you know, without big getting a permit to do it, that was one of my biggest concerns. Not necessarily just the trees, but actual work being done on the outside of the building and work being done in the building. That's the accusation that was had that was made. Are you aware of that? And w what was the outcome [0:50:36, 0:50:44]: of that as well. I don't know the answer to that. If you can give me a minute, I'll speak with my client about it. But before I forget my train of thought, um [0:50:46, 0:50:48]: Okay, I know you want to say something here. [0:50:53, 0:50:54]: Absolutely do it. [0:50:54, 0:51:14]: Um you do and that's why. At this time I move to table this until we can have further discussion and bring this back to council at the next schedule meeting. I move to table this until we can bring this back to council after further discussion with council. But but we already got a motion on the floor, sir. Uh there is a motion on the floor to deny. I I mean uh [0:51:14, 0:51:28]: Yeah, I mean there is a motion. It's ultimately council decision about this, but I would discuss that. I will rescind my motion um for further discussions. All right. If she re since she starts since she it was her motion, she can do that. Mayor. [0:51:29, 0:51:30]: I'm sorry. [0:51:30, 0:51:37]: I I move to follow the instructions of our attorney and table this matter until we can have a little bit more discussion about it. [0:51:38, 0:51:45]: All right. And that's that that's legal in that aspect. And uh madam clerk, you have that written down, is that right? Okay. [0:51:45, 0:51:48]: Well, and do you have any idea how soon before we think you [0:51:50, 0:51:53]: I'm fair. Um Mr. Alzheimer's second, all in favor, please indicate. [0:51:55, 0:52:13]: There's an Namus decision, Mr uh Thomas voted to do this as well. Namus decision to have this tabled. You have any idea how soon b how soon you wanna bring about? Council but I'm assuming um the uh February meeting'cause I wanna talk with um community development as well. Okay. I look forward to the February meeting. Thank you. [0:52:18, 0:52:19]: For new [0:52:19, 0:52:38]: Okay, thank you. Thank you. For new business. Appointment of municipal court judge to a two-year term based on House Bill 456. And um our judge Matt McCord is up for renewal for two-year term. Uh so I need a motion to uh accept this appointment for two years. [0:52:38, 0:52:44]: So moved. Mr. G Ms. Gantt, is there a second? Second. Mr. Alzheimer's second all favor, please indicate. [0:52:44, 0:53:04]: Okay, friend unanimous decision. Stand by, Mr. Judge, stand by. Um also the appointment of municipal court solicitor municipal court solicitor, and that's Judy Kirk. That's for a one year term. She's not present tonight, but uh is there a motion to accept her? Is that uh municipal court solicitor? Seven move. Ms. Gantt, is that is there a second? [0:53:06, 0:53:07]: Is there a second? [0:53:07, 0:53:11]: Ms. Mr. Thomas. I m I understand Ms. Barber's hand. [0:53:11, 0:53:14]: Um Miss Barber, second then. All in favor, please indicate. [0:53:15, 0:53:21]: All right. NAS decision there. Um then appointment of uh Mayor Pro Tem. [0:53:21, 0:53:22]: All right. [0:53:22, 0:53:24]: I need a mayor pro ten. [0:53:25, 0:53:28]: Is there a motion for Mayor Putin? Mayor. Yes, sir. [0:53:28, 0:53:33]: I nominate Lakeisha Gantt to be Mayor Pro Tem for twenty twenty five. All right. Is there a second that motion? [0:53:36, 0:53:48]: I need to sec I second, I guess. You you I guess. Am I supposed to second? You could second that second. Okay. Okay, so from Miss from Mr. Alexander to Miss uh Gantt, just motion second offer to please indicate. [0:53:49, 0:53:50]: I'll Abstain. [0:53:50, 0:54:10]: All right, so the motion is three passes three zero one. Congratulations, uh Ms. Gantt, me and Mayor Pro Temp for twenty twenty-five. And uh is there a motion uh to accept uh our city attorney for another year to be with us, Mr. Quentin Washington and his firm. So move. Okay, is there a second? I second. Okay from [0:54:10, 0:54:12]: Mr. Allzander and Ms. Ken Offer, please indicate. [0:54:14, 0:54:15]: Impose. [0:54:15, 0:54:20]: Abstention? I'll abstain and I wanna add a comment. Three zero one and what's your comment? [0:54:21, 0:54:29]: Um there are some concerns that I have had to address that are [0:54:30, 0:54:33]: Still Mayor. Unresolved. [0:54:34, 0:54:38]: If and it's a personal matter is it's personal matter we should have an executive session? [0:54:38, 0:54:42]: I'm sorry. Yeah, I will think this is a personnel matter we should have in an executive session. [0:54:42, 0:54:46]: Versus out here publicly? Those are my comments for the record. [0:54:46, 0:54:47]: I'll abstain. [0:54:48, 0:54:56]: All right, thank you. All right, on that note, I'm gonna come down forward, council. You can join me. I'm gonna swear in our judge Matt McCord. If you wanna join me on the floor. [0:55:12, 0:55:27]: This great job. No, oh no, I have I have over here, sir. We gotta go right over here. Well I'm gonna I was actually gonna well I was gonna say we read out to me, but if you wanna hold that, it'll be fine. Okay, if you if you say so. All right. [0:55:29, 0:55:49]: All right, uh Judge Reg okay. I state your name. I'm Matthew McCord. Okay, do solemnly swear and affirm. Do solemnly swear and affirm. And that I will faithfully perform. That I will faithfully perform. The duties of a municipal court judge. The duties of municipal court judge. Of the city of Stockbridge. Of the city of Stockbridge. And that I will to the best of my ability. To the best of my ability. Support and defend. Support and defend. [0:55:49, 0:56:09]: And defend the charter thereof. The charter thereof. As well as the Constitution. The Constitution. And the laws of the State of Georgia. And the laws of the State of Georgia. And the United States of America. And the United States of America. I further affirm that. I further affirm that. Upon assumption of this office. Upon assumption of this office. I do not hold any unaccounted for public money. I do not hold any unaccounted for public money. [0:56:09, 0:56:29]: Payable to the state? Do and payable to the state. Any political subdivision of the state. Any political subdivision of the state. The city of Stockbridge. The city of Stockbridge. Or any authority thereof. Or any authority thereof. Nor do I hold. Nor do I hold any other office of trust of the government? Of trust of the government. The United States. Of the United States. Of this state. Of this state. Or any foreign state. Any foreign state. [0:56:29, 0:56:49]: Prescribed as prescribed by the laws by the laws of the state of Georgia of the State of Georgia. I assumed solemnly affirmed. I solemnly affirmed that I'm fully qualified. That I'm fully qualified under the Constitution. Under the Constitution to hold office. To hold the office. Municipal court judge. I will perform the duties. I will perform the duties of my office. Of my office in the best interest. [0:56:48, 0:57:08]: And the best at the city. Of the city. Stockbridge. And the best of my ability. Without fear. Without fear. Favor. Favor. Affection. Affection. Reward. Reward. Right expectation thereof. Thirteenth day of January 2025. Congratulations, sir. All right. So just as always, you have the floor. You want any comments at all that you want to make? [0:57:09, 0:57:28]: I will say what I say every year, which is I'm so grateful to be a part of this. Um I grew up here. I love being here. Uh but I will tell you that we are successful not because of the judge, but because we have a really good team, and two of them are here, two of my newest guys are here tonight. We have the two best bailiffs you'll ever meet in your life. We have Ty and we have Truck. [0:57:29, 0:57:36]: And they take care of me, and I'm super proud to call those guys my friends. I'm proud of our whole team. So these guys deserve your appreciation. [0:57:39, 0:57:50]: Judge judge, you need a you need a sign here. There's got a pen right there, you sign there. Well we can use that pen, it's a strawberry's pen. I just need my glasses so I can see. Otherwise I'd be signed on the room. And then we're gonna take a picture here. [0:57:56, 0:57:59]: Thank you, ma'am. Yeah, so we're gonna put the middle here and get you in the middle. [0:58:00, 0:58:05]: Get the so get the legs on the other side of there, just watch yourself. Okay, come on. [0:58:12, 0:58:12]: Perfect. [0:58:17, 0:58:26]: Hold on, hold on, hold on, that's good. Tell them. The two betas you come on, you j come come on, tell me guys, come on. You gotta get ahead. You you gotta protect you, that's why it's in court. Come on, let's go. [0:58:31, 0:58:34]: Yeah, just stand slash down. [0:58:36, 0:58:37]: Can can you get us all? [0:58:47, 0:58:54]: Thank you. [0:59:23, 0:59:25]: Yeah. [0:59:27, 0:59:29]: Okay. [0:59:41, 1:00:01]: Okay, what's what are we gonna do next? We'll deal with a public hearing. And uh let me read the uh direction for the public hearing rules initially. Please mute all cell phones and other electronic devices. If any everyone wishes to speak tonight on public hearing item, please fill out the form available on the table and hand it to the city clerk before approaching the podium. [1:00:01, 1:00:02]: Yeah. [1:00:02, 1:00:22]: After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant or the representative regarding the proposed plans for property along with and other relevant information. The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor or opposed to the case will have an opportunity to do so. Each [1:00:22, 1:00:42]: East side will be allotted ten minutes total. Additional time may be extended in the discretion of the counsel. Please keep comments and presentations professional, referring only to the facts that are pertinent to the case. We will not allow comments or personal attacks toward any individual group. Please refrain from any applause or comments from the audience during the public hearing. After the presiding officer, [1:00:42, 1:00:51]: Recognizes the speaker, he or she shall direct all comments to the presiding officer, and never to members of the council, staff, or audience. All comments will be made from the podium. [1:00:51, 1:00:54]: Where you be required to state your name and address for the record. [1:00:55, 1:00:57]: Please note that these hearings are not a a debate. [1:00:57, 1:01:17]: Failure to comply and will cause you to be removed from the chamber and ability by law enforcement if you deviate from the proceedings. Other than the applicant, no person may speak more than once. The applicant may reserve part or of his or her speaking time as a rebuttal and may speak next and last and may use the entire 10 minutes allowed for the pro-sided application. [1:01:17, 1:01:37]: If questions are raised, the council may ask the applicant to address questions and or concerns. The presiding officer will call for a motion and a second to the motion and have any necessary discussion. If the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for a vote to recommend approval or denial of the request. The public hearing deals with the Text Amendment case TX. [1:01:37, 1:01:39]: two zero two four zero nine. [1:01:40, 1:02:00]: Council consideration of Text Amendment in Section 3.2.6 of the Stockbridge Unified Development Code UDC to modify the argument regulations for a bed and breakfast not in the subdivision establishments presented by Mr. Ryan. Also for the rezoning case, RZ-2024-01, Council District 2. [1:01:59, 1:02:07]: Oh wait a minute, this is a totally different one. I'm sorry. Totally different. I'm sorry. Excuse me. All right, Mr. Ryan. First one, please. Okay. Um [1:02:11, 1:02:28]: This is a pro a proposed amendment uh to section three point two six of the City of Stockbridge Unified Development Code. The purpose is to amend and add language in regard to existing bed and breakfast establishment in regard to accessory structures in regards to residential uses. [1:02:32, 1:02:37]: Uh, this item went to the Planning Commission on December nineteenth and the Planning Commission recommended approval. [1:02:39, 1:02:59]: Uh to summarize this without reading all this is basically to allow if you're in existing bed and breakfast and you're tenure and your structure's ten years old and you have an existing accessory structure on the property, the same property, same parcel, and um you want to use that as a caretaker home or similar to a parsonage home for a church. [1:02:59, 1:03:19]: Or a guest house to a residence. Um the bed and breakfast owners will be able to use the accessory structure for residential purposes. They wouldn't be able to rent it out for commercial purposes. They'll only be able to use it for caretaker purposes. And they can reside in that structure and but it still would have to be subjected to all [1:03:19, 1:03:22]: Um city residential codes and standards. [1:03:27, 1:03:27]: That is sir. [1:03:28, 1:03:31]: Yes, sir. All right. Any questions for Mr. Anderson, Council? [1:03:32, 1:03:52]: Yes. Yeah, go ahead, Mr. So what is the driver behind this? I mean, what is what is it? Is there is there a project projected something that you're trying to get in in regards to this bed of breakfast? Is there an applicant? Yes, we're trying to um for the sake of transparency, yes, we're trying to help a particular uh [1:03:52, 1:03:55]: uh established bed and breakfast in the city. [1:03:55, 1:04:02]: Okay, a second one? Uh no, not a second one, but uh it's an existing bed and breakfast. The one that's on old Conyers. [1:04:03, 1:04:03]: Yes, sir. [1:04:04, 1:04:17]: Okay, so basically it was nonconforming and you're trying to get uh Yes, it yes it's non confor legally nonconforming, so right, but it's been in operation for now how long? Several years. Several years, yes, sir. [1:04:17, 1:04:25]: Okay, certainly I understand and they've been uh a um positive for the community overall. Not my district, I think it's [1:04:26, 1:04:27]: In district four. [1:04:27, 1:04:28]: Yes. [1:04:31, 1:04:32]: Okay. Any other questions? [1:04:33, 1:04:33]: Yep. [1:04:34, 1:04:43]: Okay. Well I need a motion to accept this uh public this proposal. Public hearing. Public hearing. Oh excuse me. You are so right. It is a public hearing. You have a question? [1:04:44, 1:05:00]: All right. All right. Public and I'll open it up. Thank you for that. Public here and I'll open it up. Anybody that for this um this agreement, this uh a change in my far left. Anybody for uh disagreement in in the middle? Anyone for uh my far right? [1:05:01, 1:05:18]: Anybody f for against this particular movement, this of a change, a far left. Anybody against this uh in the far in the middle, please come forward. Anybody against this this motion? This agreement in my far right. All right. Come to podium, state your name and address, please. [1:05:21, 1:05:41]: Uh good evening. My name is uh Jocelyn Williams, one ninety Banks Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia, three oh two eight one. Uh I wanna apologize. I can't really um see. I was here on the nineteenth of December trying to get a understanding of I was just trying to make sure. I know this can't be moved into a subdivision. I didn't want the uh current [1:05:41, 1:05:59]: ordinance to change that someone might be able to buy or purchase something and then it can turn into a bread and breakfast. That's what my opposition was. I didn't have a chance to really um see the um visually reading um um that's why I'm putting an opposition uh for tonight. Thank you. [1:05:59, 1:06:19]: Thank you. All right. On that note, no, I'll close this portion of the uh the public hearing. No, the comments uh council if you I know. I have one comment. Yep, go write it, please. Just just for clarification purposes, the actual current ordinance says three point two point six bed and breakfast facilities. [1:06:19, 1:06:22]: Not in a subdivision. That's my comment. [1:06:24, 1:06:27]: Okay. Okay. Is there a motion to accept this or change? [1:06:28, 1:06:35]: So okay. I approve. Okay. Okay. From Ms. Barber to Ms. Eisander, all favor, please indicate. [1:06:36, 1:06:37]: Singham's decision. Thank you very much. [1:06:38, 1:06:38]: [3999.7, 4015.2]: Okay, next public hearing rezoning case RZ 2024-11 Council District 2. Consideration rezoning request of for three parcels on the east side of Flippin' Road near Fairhaven Road. The parcels would be rezoned to PUD Plan Unit Development. [1:06:55, 1:06:57]: or PUD uh mastered plan development. [1:06:58, 1:07:06]: The intent is to adopt a master plan for the property to allow for the construction of a town home development. Applicant Vista Residential Partners Agent Dennis J. Webb [1:07:07, 1:07:08]: Junior Esquire. [1:07:08, 1:07:28]: The three parcels are located on landlot 38 District 12, identified below, and they contain 18.31 acres. Parcel number 030-0100-2000. 415 Flippin' Road contains 13.436 acres within uh within the three parcel. [1:07:28, 1:07:48]: Parcel tracks. Parcel number 030-01002001 contains uh point eight eight six acres. Parcel number zero three zero-one zero zero two zero zero two contains three point nine eight eight acres. Mr. Anderson, please. Okay. Before I begin, uh may [1:07:48, 1:08:08]: Mayor, uh, I like to say that uh this property um was annexed into the city in uh 2022. Um and according to our code and other regulations, um we have to assign a similar zoning. That's that the property was owned in Henry County. It was on mixed use in um in Henry County. So when we brought it in. [1:08:08, 1:08:12]: Um city council voted to approve the zoning maps in the [1:08:13, 1:08:33]: And the land use map, and it was assigned a the zoning of PUD, which is playing unit development, which is similar to the mixed use designation in Henry County. Okay. So uh what precipitated this this uh particular agenda item tonight is all PUD zoning must have an approved development plan or a regular [1:08:33, 1:08:36]: So the zoning isn't in question tonight. [1:08:36, 1:08:38]: Only thing uh council [1:08:39, 1:08:48]: We'll be uh considering tonight is there is approving their master plan or development plan or regulating plan to go along with the PUD zoning. [1:08:50, 1:08:51]: Okay. Okay, excuse me. [1:08:52, 1:09:03]: So uh the property has 18 acres. Currently the property is vacant, mostly level. Uh the current future land use designation is medium density, mixed use. [1:09:05, 1:09:08]: Like I said previously the the the current zoning is PUD plan unit development. [1:09:11, 1:09:15]: Here's a aerial photo of the uh three parcels highlighted in orange. [1:09:17, 1:09:20]: Here's a map showing the three parcels comprising the subject property. [1:09:24, 1:09:25]: Here's another aerial photo. [1:09:27, 1:09:31]: Here's proof of the zoning sign that was posted on November twenty sixth, twenty twenty four. [1:09:37, 1:09:57]: Uh the applicant is proposed to to build a um a townhouse development on flip flipping road at Wall Stevens. Um a master plan. It's a mixed use development. Uh it will it will be in concert with the um the Reeves Creek um master plan that um Reed Creek's development that city council approved. [1:09:57, 1:09:58]: A little over a year ago. [1:10:03, 1:10:04]: Here's the site rendering. [1:10:07, 1:10:09]: Here's the site development data. [1:10:11, 1:10:18]: It will comprise of 94 units, units, proposed unit size, 24 by 50 foot, front load townhomes. [1:10:20, 1:10:22]: Uh front the front yard setback will be fifty feet. [1:10:24, 1:10:30]: Total parking will be three hundred and ninety seven spaces, a hundred and eighty eight is required. [1:10:31, 1:10:35]: Here's a rendering and an elevation of the proposed units. [1:10:40, 1:10:41]: Here's the front elevation. [1:10:46, 1:10:49]: Here's the layout of the interior, the master plans. [1:10:53, 1:10:59]: As you can see the here's the s here's the side elevation, the left side and the right side elevation. [1:11:05, 1:11:21]: So like I previously mentioned, the applicant is here tonight to get uh approval from city council for his uh master plan and uh the UDC requires that all PUD Plan Unit Development Zoning has a regulating plan or master plan assigned to it. [1:11:22, 1:11:30]: So um staff recommended approval with uh conditions. Let me get to the conditions. [1:11:34, 1:11:35]: Uh [1:11:37, 1:11:57]: I'm read the conditions into the record. Um as it relates to the site plan, the developers shall submit and build the proposed development according to a site plan which is very similar in design to the submitted one, which is entitled Flip and Road at Walt Stevens, a master plan mixed use development for visibility partners, conceptual master plan preliminary, which which was [1:11:57, 1:12:02]: Prepared by Planners and Engineers Collaborative on December 6th, 2024. [1:12:02, 1:12:07]: All internal sidewalks shall be shown shown on the site plan with their widths noted. [1:12:07, 1:12:12]: The development the uh as it relates to amenities, the developers shall provide a dowel park, a grilling area. [1:12:13, 1:12:13]: And a fire pit. [1:12:14, 1:12:18]: and connections to the nearby walking trails, and these shall be labeled on the site plan. [1:12:19, 1:12:39]: Setbacks and building spaces. Although the property's PUD zoning does not have a specific setback or building spacing requirement, the proposed setback and building spacing should net should nonetheless be stated on the site plan. Uh requiring 25-foot-wide buffers along the northern and eastern sides of the property, contiguous to the adjacent properties. [1:12:39, 1:12:40]: Which are zone R R. [1:12:41, 1:12:42]: And S R. [1:12:44, 1:12:51]: Uh condition number two, the applicant shall obtain, submit, and comply with the with all terms of water and sewer facilities letter from the Herring County Water Authority. [1:12:53, 1:13:03]: Architectural design, condition number three. Three eight. All town home units shall be a minimum of sixteen hundred square feet in size. All town homes shall have two car garages. [1:13:03, 1:13:17]: All sides of each town home building should have exterior materi exterior materials consisting of brick, stone, or stucco, or any combination of two or more of the fallen materials on all sides. Brick, stone, stucco, or cement fiberboard. [1:13:19, 1:13:23]: Um gates gates shall not be required at the project entrances. [1:13:25, 1:13:33]: Property management. The developer shall establish an HOA or shall secure a property management company to maintain the common areas of the proposed development. [1:13:33, 1:13:35]: Recombination of parcels. [1:13:36, 1:13:56]: The developer shall prepare and submit a clear plat, which shows how portions or parcels comprising development site would be combined. The plat shall be combined, should be approved by the community development department and officially recorded at the Henry County Superior Court. Further, no permits shall be issued for the proposed development until the developer has submitted to community development copy of the [1:13:56, 1:13:57]: Recorded plate. [1:13:59, 1:14:05]: Uh so there was um an additional requirement um [1:14:06, 1:14:07]: That was presented. [1:14:09, 1:14:15]: the staff uh add wants to add um it relates to the um [1:14:15, 1:14:19]: Rental cap, uh no more than ten percent. [1:14:20, 1:14:24]: of the total number of proposed development shall be rented. [1:14:26, 1:14:27]: So that's it. [1:14:28, 1:14:48]: Thank you for that, Ms. Mr. Anderson. Um that additional um percentage, ten percent of rental cap, I'm assuming that the applicant is uh minimal to that, right? Uh no, that's staff's condition based on some other re requirements. Okay. Uh and other concerns. [1:14:48, 1:14:51]: concerns that were passed alone at the planning commission. [1:14:52, 1:14:55]: I see. So th but they're all negotiable. [1:14:56, 1:14:57]: And subject to approval by counsel. [1:14:58, 1:14:59]: Okay. [1:15:00, 1:15:04]: Does the applicant have a presentation as well? Yes, sir. Okay. Why don't you come forward, sir? [1:15:12, 1:15:32]: I got I got a question for staff. Go ahead, please. Mr. Anderson, uh you have indicated as far as this is concerned, the rezoning has already taken place, right? Yes yes, sir. So the council has already voted. So the project, the rezoning or are has already taken place. So that's approved. Yes. So basically [1:15:32, 1:15:52]: They uh but because we put in more stringent standards that we have to have a development agreement in place, a master plan agreement in place in order for them to go forward. But the rezoning has already been approved. Is that correct? Yes, sir. [1:15:52, 1:16:02]: It was rezoned when it came in through the annexation in 2022. It was it was mixed use in the county. But when it came into the city, it received the City of Stockbridge mixed use designation, which is PUD. [1:16:02, 1:16:22]: And code requires all that all PUD zoning in the city of Stockbridge have a regulating plan or a master plan or a development plan assigned to it. Right. So in other words, what has happened is we've already approved the zoning for this particular development and then uh in accordance with what we had actually approved across the street. Yes, sir. [1:16:22, 1:16:39]: But this particular portion did not have a development agreement which we're trying to put in place to make sure that they have the highest standards appro uh and appropriate to where we're trying to go in the city. Exactly. That's correct, sir. All right, thank you. All right. [1:16:40, 1:16:45]: Do you have a question for Ms. Anderson? Yeah. Go ahead, Ms. Anderson, come back please. There [1:16:45, 1:16:54]: Um, Mr. Anderson, um one of the questions that were asked in regards to this light plan was whether or not amenities would be provided. [1:16:54, 1:16:56]: The response was that this [1:16:57, 1:16:57]: Um [1:16:59, 1:17:08]: The mit whether or not amenities will be provided. And the response says this was noted in the pre application meeting and in the statement of intent. [1:17:08, 1:17:28]: The residents will have a sidewalk connection to the adjacent Riv Reeves Creek Trail. Is that the only amenities that are gonna be? No, they'll they'll they'll be able to share in the amenities in the in the development that we approved over a year ago. The thirteen hundred uh unit project that's across that's that's across the street. They will be able to share in those amenities and also [1:17:28, 1:17:29]: Um [1:17:30, 1:17:35]: Uh they have uh I I listed several amenities in the conditions. Uh let me go back to it. Um [1:17:43, 1:17:50]: Uh it will it would have a dog park, a grilling area, and a fire pit in connection to the nearby walking trails. [1:17:50, 1:17:55]: And uh all those shall be labeled on the site plan. That's condition one C. [1:17:56, 1:17:56]: Okay. [1:17:56, 1:17:57]: All right. [1:17:57, 1:18:17]: Now what you're saying pretty much is the neighbors they will be able to walk out pretty much uh onto the trail and connect to Rees Creek Trail from their neighborhood. Yes, sir. Which is a highly desirable amenity that we kind of look for. I guess the only things that we always concern ourselves with is to make sure that we have [1:18:17, 1:18:35]: Have that connection so that people aren't walking in the grass on flipping road. They're gonna have a ten foot path along uh flipping road. Yes, yes. So and then they will also have an internal connection to the r the Rees Creek. Um on one side, right? [1:18:36, 1:18:37]: The internal connection. [1:18:39, 1:18:40]: How cold is that? Uh [1:18:42, 1:18:44]: Not an inside, it's too small. Um [1:18:45, 1:18:46]: Let me go back to the layout. Um [1:18:49, 1:19:04]: But basically the front trail, well maybe the the ten foot path would connect to Reed's Creek. It would basically give people to the north of that the ability to have a sidewalk where now they don't have one. Yes. [1:19:07, 1:19:08]: Is there way you can bloat it up anymore? [1:19:09, 1:19:10]: Uh y yes, sir. [1:19:25, 1:19:32]: I notice the parcels are not conti don't connect really. How are they doing what are they doing for connectivity? [1:19:34, 1:19:37]: Uh when you say they don't connect, uh [1:19:38, 1:19:43]: I there were oh okay. Is that the there wasn't one on the other side or is that something totally different? [1:19:44, 1:19:45]: On the other side of the street. [1:19:45, 1:19:46]: No. [1:19:46, 1:19:48]: Phase one. [1:19:49, 1:19:55]: I see one, two, and then I see a big gap and then I see some more houses. Yeah, that's a street. [1:19:56, 1:19:57]: Fairhaven Road. [1:19:57, 1:19:57]: Okay. [1:19:59, 1:20:01]: And that's the hammer head right there. [1:20:02, 1:20:02]: Okay. [1:20:03, 1:20:08]: Right, but along flipping drive I don't see uh there's a ten foot path along flipping road. [1:20:08, 1:20:17]: Uh. Well that would need to be a f ten foot path along. Right, in order to connect to Reed's Creek, which is right next door. Yes, sir. [1:20:21, 1:20:33]: This is just showing this particular d the interior, this particular development doesn't uh sh show anything along the frontage right there. But Right. With the flop camera requirement, is that one of the conditions also? [1:20:34, 1:20:40]: Uh this came in bef before our new ordinance, but I'm sure they will they they will agree to it. [1:20:41, 1:20:43]: And street lights. Yes, sir. [1:20:46, 1:21:06]: Uh the only other thing that I saw, okay, that brought up some concern was the minimum square fitted at sixteen hundred. I think in the new code we wanted eighteen. The new one requires eighteen hundred. Right. So they can't the application came in before I'd like to ask'em to go to eighteen hundred. Uh Chase. Are they required to do two cards? Excuse me. [1:21:06, 1:21:07]: Yeah. [1:21:07, 1:21:22]: They uh they I'll let him address it during his presentation, uh uh Councilmember Alexander. Yeah, if you yeah, let him do his presentation. Uh keep your question, let him do the presentation. That's our new standard. [1:21:23, 1:21:43]: Uh good evening, everybody. My name is Den Webb, 1105 West Peace Street Street, Atlanta, Georgia, 30309. Here on behalf of Vista Residential. I've got Chase Beasley with me as well. Chase is a managing director with Vista and is ready and willing to take your questions. Let me hit on a few things that were brought up uh just a second ago. Number one, it is our intent to have eighteen hundred square feet as the minimum. We would like a little flexibility, even if one [1:21:43, 1:21:49]: dot drip down to 1775, you know, we'd like that flexibility. I think we could move the number up from 1600. I think that [1:21:50, 1:21:56]: But eighteen hundred is our intent on this property. But uh uh real qu I think staff has ten percent administrative. [1:21:58, 1:22:13]: authority, so that would take you So that's about right slightly uh lower than that, but eighteen hundred is where we really want to be at. Okay. If you ask me, you know. We've been getting the cookie cutter town homes and we wanna do something better than that, you know. [1:22:14, 1:22:23]: What you pictured was nice at eighteen hundred square feet. So so staff has discretion to reduce a zoning condition from eighteen hundred to ten percent less. [1:22:26, 1:22:28]: Okay. We can live with that. [1:22:28, 1:22:36]: We can live with that. Uh couple other things. We do have pass in front of both sides of the development. I'll talk a little more about more of that uh a little bit more about that. [1:22:37, 1:22:47]: You okay with that? Right. Uh uh actually I I do have some some conc conc concerns and questions, but I wanted him to uh do his presentation because he may [1:22:47, 1:22:53]: He may uh speak on some of those. No. I hope I do. I'm just waiting on you to do your presentation. [1:22:53, 1:23:06]: Okay. Uh just I I I just to clean up and touch on a few more things that were raised, we do intend to put pass in front of the north and south side of that townhome. We don't really have a way to connect internally. We don't actually own all that property in the middle. Some of it's owned by Stockbridge, some of it's [1:23:06, 1:23:26]: floodplain, but we do have a path going down along Flippin' Road on both sides of the development. And lastly, I'm just gonna mention we you guys talked a little bit about this property and how it got into Stockbridge. I'll talk about that a little bit more in a second, but just back in 2019, this property was zoned for a hundred townhomes. And as Mr. Anderson talked about it was zoned in [1:23:26, 1:23:42]: MU and when it comes into the city, it's got to have a comparable zoning district. PUD was the only option really. And there's one difference between Henry County's MU district and Stockbridge's PUD district, and that is you've got to have a regulating plan. And Mr. Anderson covered that well. [1:23:46, 1:24:01]: As you guys heard and know, Vista is developing 290 acres right across the street, right? We went through the we filed an application to annex into the city of Stockbridge originally. We filed a rezoning application as well. Uh the rezoning was approved about a year and a half ago. [1:24:01, 1:24:11]: We would have brought this property in two, but we couldn't meet the annexation requirements. Uh there were some issues, you know, there are contiguity requirements and other requirements under the uh state annexation. [1:24:11, 1:24:31]: code that we couldn't meet at the time we started Reeves Creek One on the West Side. But since then you guys had a referendum and brought in a number of properties into the city, including this. So that's what allowed us to move forward. We would would have liked to have done them together. We just couldn't do it at the time. But Okay, for clarification, that that's the key point that I I just want to make sure that I [1:24:31, 1:24:51]: You we annexed this property into the city, or the citizens did. Correct. They voted to. That's correct. And this is why you're allowed to do this now, where previously you wasn't, because the people voted to annex all of this property into the city. Right. We would have been able to do this development in Henry County. Right, but not in Stockford, though. Correct. That's exactly right. [1:24:51, 1:25:11]: Right. And so yes, this came in and became part of the city on January one, twenty twenty three, is because of the referendum. The citizens voted to take this property into the city. And of course everyone or well not everyone, but you know, it was known what was approved for this property at the time of the annexation. It had already gone through the process in Henry County about four years previously. [1:25:11, 1:25:26]: For further clarification. So basically you had already been approved in Henry County, then it got annexed. This is what triggered all of this. That's exactly right. Okay. I do now clearly understand I I that's something I didn't previously know. All right, thank you. [1:25:26, 1:25:34]: Uh you see here a zoning map, it just shows the parcels outlined here. Again, uh, I'm gonna try and not step on or cover the same ground that Mr. Anderson did. [1:25:35, 1:25:35]: Um [1:25:36, 1:25:52]: Here is the site plan. This property is of effectively three tracks. They total eighteen point three acres. Uh and as was discussed, the the tr site is bisected by Reeves Creek, the Reeves Street Trail Trail, and Fairhaven Road here. So there are some separation points. [1:25:54, 1:26:14]: Uh as you heard the intent is a ninety-four unit townhome development. We're actually pro f uh uh seeking six less than that were than were approved by Henry County. All will be two-story, all will have two car garages. In terms of the access points, if you look here to the north side, you'll see that this area is cut by Fairhaven Road and we have driveways directly. [1:26:14, 1:26:28]: onto Fairhaven Road. To the south, we have aligned the driveway there with an intersection of the new Rees Creek development. That intersection will be signalized, right? So there's gonna be a traffic light there, which I think is a great option for these folks coming out of the development. [1:26:30, 1:26:30]: Yes, ma'am. [1:26:40, 1:27:00]: So this is the intersection I was just talking about. Uh you'll notice there is a left turn lane that's being added flipping the road because of the development across the street. Uh it doesn't show on here, but there will be a signal here uh as part of the development uh that will be coming through here shortly. By the way, Reese Creek One just got the LDP last week. We have been working almost every day. [1:27:00, 1:27:14]: Since we left this uh location a year and a half ago to try and get that LDP and we're proud to say that it we have it. So you'll start to start to see some activity. It wouldn't be for did you say that would be a signal? Yes, sir. A traffic stop a traffic light. [1:27:14, 1:27:26]: At uh Fairhaven. Yep. So this new driveway coming out of Reeves Creek One will have a traffic signal here and it will align with the driveway coming out of the south side of the development we're here to talk about tonight. [1:27:27, 1:27:28]: Yeah. [1:27:30, 1:27:40]: Because oh I'm I'm trying to get some clarity on on the traffic signal. So h how how does it align with Fairhaven [1:27:41, 1:27:46]: Well let me back up. See I do understand that we you know, we got Reese Create One. Correct. [1:27:47, 1:27:57]: Which is on the other side of flipping and all been completed now. So now we're talking about the right side of flipping. So if you got a traffic traffic signal [1:27:58, 1:28:00]: Fair Haven. [1:28:00, 1:28:01]: What is it aligned with? [1:28:02, 1:28:15]: On the other side. So if you you see where my cursor is right here? Right. So Fairhaven is actually up here. This traffic signal will not align with Fairhaven. There is no driveway on the other side of Flippin' Road to align it with. [1:28:16, 1:28:21]: So the driveway coming out of the south side of this development will line up with the driveway coming out of [1:28:22, 1:28:35]: Uh Rees Creek One. One. And at that intersection there'll be a light. You'll notice too we've added a left turn lane into the property. Uh here there is a deceleration lane coming into the site. All with the these were really uh [1:28:35, 1:28:45]: largely recommendations made as part of the DRI process uh that was performed to, you know, try and minimize and mitigate the impact that this these developments would have on flipping road. And there are [1:28:47, 1:28:55]: There th this is doesn't show all of Rees Creek West, but there's another uh access point up here and again like like [1:28:55, 1:29:06]: the access point to the south, it's got a turn lane into the property and deceleration lane. So folks trying to get into the property will get out of the flow of traffic and allow those just coming through the area to continue to move. [1:29:06, 1:29:14]: Well that was a part of my question, but I I'll let you c complete your presentation. Okay. Uh and and I'm I wanna answer every question you got. So uh [1:29:15, 1:29:35]: Don't hesitate. Uh this is the same set of elevations that Ryan just showed. It's you'll see a combination of brick, stone, stucco, and cement fiber board. Uh Councilman Alexander has asked about making these overhangs metal. Uh we're agreeable to that. Uh and we could add a condition uh at the end of this process if if that is the the council's desire. [1:29:35, 1:29:36]: Um [1:29:46, 1:29:53]: Let me just tell you about how we got to here because there's actually a code process uh to uh approve a master plan. You know, as you've heard. [1:29:54, 1:30:14]: We got the zoning we need, it allows us to build townhomes at the density we want. But uh because of the PED requirement, we have to have a master plan. And then just so you know, this is how it works. It starts with staff. We submit what's called a concept plan to staff. And they provide feedback to us and we work together to finalize that and and and and basically transform that concept plan into a master development plan. And we've now [1:30:14, 1:30:19]: done that. Both sides are satisfied with what we're presenting to you tonight and that's what are what we're asking you to approve. [1:30:20, 1:30:20]: Uh [1:30:20, 1:30:25]: Mr. Anderson went over the conditions. We're we're we're we're okay with them. Um [1:30:26, 1:30:46]: Uh we do have amenities. We asked for a change. The initial uh a request for amenities uh included picnic tables and a barbecue, and that's not exactly what we're trying to do here. We do have a uh a grilling area, we've got a fire pit, uh, but we wanted to refine that a little bit and and uh staff has agreed with that proposal. Again, uh we've uh told mr uh councilman [1:30:46, 1:30:58]: Uh Alexander, that uh we're okay with metal uh roofs on the overhangs. I guess the only other thing I would talk about there was reference to sort of conversation about rental restrictions at the planning commission. Let me tell you a little bit about that. So [1:31:00, 1:31:20]: Staff had recommended a 10% rental cap, uh uh, which for a for sale product we're perfectly fine with, right? But we did raise the issue because there's a possibility that an institution could come in, buy this entire development, maintain this entire development, and and and might be interested in renting it. So the our our point was that's the [1:31:19, 1:31:28]: That was the reason we debated it. You know, w we would never allow you know twenty individual homeowners to come in and rent out twenty units. That will never ever happen on this property. [1:31:29, 1:31:49]: If this is a for sale product, there will be a strong uh rental cap. Uh if it's if it's institutionally owned, you know, we didn't see a problem with one company owning the property, one company cutting the grass, painting the walls, dealing with all these issues. Uh but again the the planning commission didn't seem to have a problem with it. There may be a problem here. Uh [1:31:49, 1:31:57]: Tonight, I don't know. We we were okay getting imposing the rental cap of ten percent on for sale units if that's the direction you wanted. We we thought it would be [1:31:58, 1:32:14]: at least worth c having a conversation about institutionally owned. I mean that's that's the dream, frankly, for this kind of development because it's maintained by a well capitalized, well organized entity. But i if if it's the will of the council that we have a ten percent rental cap, that's fine. Again, uh [1:32:16, 1:32:25]: We're okay with staff conditions as proposed and we are open to uh an additional condition that requires the overhangs to be metal. [1:32:26, 1:32:43]: I kinda got shorted on time there, but I was gonna say council you we'll give'em extra time. I'm assuming the extra time for you. If you need still extra time to make your presentation, we'll have several questions of course. Well it came out a disjointed way, but I I I've said what I need to say and and so I'm happy to answer any questions you have. Let me let me start with Mr. Thomas. Mr. Thomas, you got something else? So [1:32:45, 1:32:46]: I do understand uh [1:32:47, 1:32:56]: I do understand Reese Creek one, and we're talking about two. I do understand, even though [1:32:57, 1:32:58]: You know, um [1:32:59, 1:33:01]: The developer now didn't get us a chance to really to talk. [1:33:02, 1:33:12]: But I do understand when it was in Henry County and with the annexation then it required the master plan. So going forward from that point [1:33:13, 1:33:15]: You mentioned the traffic light. [1:33:16, 1:33:36]: So my questions are really centered around the road improvements. And uh I'm gonna ask Mr. Anderson here in a minute. I recall a conversation of a joint um a joint project with Henry County and the city. [1:33:36, 1:33:37]: [5618.2, 5621.1]: to White and Flip and Roll. [1:33:42, 1:33:43]: Um [1:33:43, 1:33:48]: Number one, I'd like to know where that is. And the reason I'm going there is because [1:33:49, 1:33:53]: When you start developing sidewalks [1:33:53, 1:34:10]: uh turning lanes, et cetera, et cetera. So if there's a future plan to widen, how does all of that affect that? And so maybe uh Mr. Anderson, maybe Mr. Gardner, or do you have any history [1:34:10, 1:34:13]: on the joint project with Henry County and Stockbridge to widen [1:34:14, 1:34:23]: Flipping road. I I'm gonna ask Chase to come up and talk a little bit about that because he I think he's been part of some conversations. The one thing I can tell you is we have heard about that and we have allowed sufficient right of way [1:34:24, 1:34:33]: to uh accommodate those changes in the future. Well that was my concern. So our our buildings and whatnot are set far enough off the roadway to allow for that widening. So even with the [1:34:35, 1:34:38]: It he can get ready to come forward because that's what some of my concerns are. [1:34:38, 1:34:42]: Um, the widening [1:34:42, 1:34:43]: Um [1:34:43, 1:34:58]: that would include the sidewalks, that would include the turning lanes, the ingress, egress. So all of this is is accountable for for as uh having the the footage to to do all of this, even though [1:34:58, 1:35:07]: Uh the widening may come years, years later, but it is allowed for. That's correct. And so Mr. Anderson. Go ahead and [1:35:10, 1:35:12]: Okay, go come come to the mic surf, please. [1:35:15, 1:35:35]: And if you would, could you speak to a little bit more in depth of some of the uh roadway improvements? And I know um the first gentleman he saw to mention some of that with the traffic light and and the turning lanes, but can you give us a uh a a better picture of uh the roadway improvements? Sure. Chase Beasley with Fista Residential. [1:35:35, 1:35:55]: Um back to your question about the roadway widths. We have uh seen a few preliminary design um analysis on what we need to accommodate. And so as a part of our land disturbance permit and working with Ryan and his his great team, we have gone ahead and accommodated the appropriate width. So there shouldn't be an issue. Your concern is very valid as far as uh ensuring that [1:35:54, 1:36:14]: There's adequate uh right-of-way width for when those improvements are made. Uh however, um now moving back to our plan here and back to Din's point, if you could see the cursor, the roadway improvements are shown here in the bolded line. Let me see if I can zoom in a little more. [1:36:15, 1:36:35]: We have a traffic signal on the southern entry to the already approved east flippin', I'm sorry, west flippin' development here. This regulating plan for our townhomes here, which is the subject tonight, will align directly with this signalized intersection here. The signal intersection [1:36:34, 1:36:54]: Is code compliant. We've worked with your team. It's been approved. We've been very detail-oriented to ensure that that is compliant as stated. Moving up, we have another. This is Fair Haven. We will not have any direct access on a flip-in from these two teams. [1:36:54, 1:37:14]: Townhome, we'll call them pods just because of how they're broken up. The connection points are off Fairhaven. Um, and then going back to historic um traffic improvements that are are will be aligned with the southern entry here. We have a northern entry into a west side of Flip In, which is Den alluded to. We'll have a deceleration list. [1:37:14, 1:37:34]: Lane and a left turn lane to ensure that traffic flow for anyone going into the West Flippin development is off of the main road. So I'm more than happy to send you a more detailed site plan showing those improvements, but all of the improvements are or happening. [1:37:34, 1:37:40]: have been worked with the staff. Uh they also have been approved by the uh Greta team as well. [1:37:41, 1:37:53]: So so the turning lanes I I I do understand uh the turning lanes at the light, the traffic light, uh but you mentioned um an entryway [1:37:54, 1:37:56]: Yes. So [1:37:57, 1:38:02]: I'm sorry to interrupt. Go ahead. So um there are turning lanes there as well. [1:38:02, 1:38:22]: Correct. It's just off the page. I mean, th this this is designed to show you what we're here to talk about tonight. So it doesn't include all of the West Flippin. But if off the page up in this area, there is a a second access point that will have a deceleration lane into it and a left hand turning lane that will be added to flipping road. Mm-hmm. It's just not showing on very strong. And [1:38:22, 1:38:29]: And and are there sidewalks on both sides of uh flipping? Yes, sir. Okay, okay. [1:38:29, 1:38:37]: Well, uh I I think with the conditions and some of the questions that uh council members asked. [1:38:37, 1:38:50]: Uh, I was just a little concerned about the um roadway improvements and the fact that there's a traffic light on flipping. God, I mean that is [1:38:51, 1:39:01]: That is going to be monumental right there. Um so let me ask um Mr. Anderson, uh is there a timeline? [1:39:03, 1:39:06]: Right, and then I want to ask Mr. Gardner. [1:39:07, 1:39:10]: Uh, is he a part of the conversation with Henry County? [1:39:11, 1:39:19]: uh as far as uh the project itself. And the reason I want to emphasize this issue right here because um [1:39:20, 1:39:25]: not even getting into the the criticism of everything. [1:39:25, 1:39:45]: But being able to put in those roadway projects, I think that is what's going to be instrumental in whatever we do. I think the traffic light, I think the sidewalks, the turning lanes, I think all this is very important. And so um uh [1:39:45, 1:39:55]: Mr. Gardner, do you do you have in information as far a timeline? And what is so the city of Stockbridge and Henry County, are we working together? [1:39:56, 1:40:16]: Presently. We have, but I don't uh we haven't discussed the particulars as it relates to flipping and the improvements in on flipping road. Um, because you know the biggest barrier to improving flipping road is the interstate. So you when you get to that point once you cross over banks, if you're [1:40:16, 1:40:17]: Do any widening in there? [1:40:18, 1:40:24]: You're gonna have to do something with the interstate because the way that is built, it restricts you widening, flipping road at that point. [1:40:24, 1:40:27]: So that's gonna take uh Herculean effort. [1:40:27, 1:40:45]: Obviously to deal with the feds. So you're talking about down under the bridge. Yeah. That's the only way you can actually widen to make it truly a kind of like Highway forty t what they're planning for Highway Forty two to fall in it. The problem with falling and flipping from North Henry Boulevard down to [1:40:45, 1:40:53]: Let's say Jonesboro Road um McCullough Road. Right. Or or eventually to Jonesboro Road,'cause I think you they're making that extension now. Um [1:40:54, 1:41:06]: Is the fact that the interstate is gonna be a big barrier as it relates to that because you don't have enough space without them doing actually making some improvements on the interstate itself to allow for you to facilitate [1:41:06, 1:41:24]: getting extra room um right aways in there to make that happen. But I think that the effort that they're doing here, um, obviously I think Henry County's been aware of some of this request because when it was in the county, I think some of these items were discussed at that point and how they would make any improvements in the road. So we'll be working with them as it relates to that. [1:41:25, 1:41:32]: So there are no um contingencies as far as the traffic light is proved and [1:41:36, 1:41:56]: I was just gonna add to that and say that Vista as part of its development on the west side will be installing the traffic light and it will be installing the the turn lanes on both the north and south entrances and the sidewalks. So some of these things I know are require coordination between Henry County and Stockbridge, but those elements will be actually installed by the developer as part of the development. [1:41:56, 1:41:57]: We won't have to wait for Henry County or anybody. [1:41:58, 1:42:09]: Right. So in in the master plan, um you pretty much have highlighted all of the different changes from uh [1:42:10, 1:42:30]: The PUD when it was Henry County and now the requirements now that it's in the city of Stockbridge. So for us the master plan, um you have sort of highlighted all of the changes. Oh, that's right. So let's see if this is embedded. Yeah. So just a reminder, because of the [1:42:30, 1:42:39]: The size and scope of this project, it did classify as a development of regional impact. So not only did Henry County get to view it. [1:42:39, 1:42:57]: Um also uh GDOT, ARC, and Greta um were all part of the evaluation because it's a development of regional impact. Um and as part of that process, Clayton County would have gotten every city in the in the vicinity of plus Clayton County. [1:42:57, 1:42:59]: Maybe even the cab might have. [1:43:00, 1:43:20]: Um gotten notification of this project as part of the DRI process to get any feedback from those communities as it relates to the the traffic. But definitely everybody had an opportunity to any improvements that are being made. And GDOT some not GDOT, but ARC does require you to go through and make traffic improvements as possible. [1:43:20, 1:43:35]: of the development itself. So as part of that scope and it went through that, it went through that as part of Henry County, which means that those traffic improvements um came over with this application. Um and we've held them to'em. [1:43:35, 1:43:53]: Right. And I'm I'm glad you mentioned that. So my my only concern was the uh the roadway projects. And I think b all of you are sort of answered my questions and seemed like um um i everything is gonna be pretty much doable. So mayor I yield back. Thank you. [1:43:54, 1:43:56]: Oh yeah, go ahead, Mr. [1:43:56, 1:44:10]: Let me let me say this real quick. I was actually watching the Henry County uh meeting uh the other night and there is some exciting news. There's a Flippin' Road extension that's gonna take Flippin' Road from where it ends right now all the way to Jonesboro Road. [1:44:11, 1:44:31]: That section is gonna have a bridge, it's going to have sidewalks. Uh Commissioner Lewis uh uh was is leading the way on that. So there was a discussion about what it what it well if it was going to be on the other side, they would have to widen the bridge. So certainly, as you say, the state looked at this entirety of the entire area. [1:44:31, 1:44:43]: and knew that all of those are uh potential projects. What we have to do as citizens and as representatives is that T Splash two is coming up. [1:44:43, 1:45:03]: There will be another T sploss. Right. The first T sploss has Rock Quarry Road widening on it, which will actually start this year in the spring. So T sploss two would actually be able to provide the funding for us to widen it. I know Commissioner Robinson was trying to get the design money into uh the SPLOS. [1:45:03, 1:45:23]: I'm not sure whether that made it or not, but I know there was some serious discussion on it. And they even mentioned putting it in the next T-SPLOST as a count as a joint county and city project. So that would be one that we would both want to put a uh a bullet point on and say that uh to the citizens when the next T splot, because T Splash. [1:45:23, 1:45:43]: is something they already paid now that they would have to reauthorize when it comes back up. And this should be the top project that would be on there with everything that we have going on. So uh again, understanding that it's only gonna be in an evolving process of always staying engaged as the citizens would do in order to make things happen [1:45:43, 1:46:03]: Because the growth is going to happen. We just gotta be, we gotta understand that and we gotta manage it the best way that we possibly can. And I'm glad Councilman Thomas has been in in looking at this project and looking at it. And it certainly is. I did not know a full traffic light was gonna go there. So certainly this is exciting to have. [1:46:03, 1:46:07]: Yeah. [1:46:10, 1:46:11]: Anybody else, any other questions? Council? [1:46:13, 1:46:30]: All right. So this is uh this ho this is a a public hearing. All right, so uh if you get that time. So anyway, uh comments uh f um for uh this particular project, for this particular project on my on the very uh left. [1:46:30, 1:46:31]: Anybody in the middle? Four. [1:46:32, 1:46:35]: Anybody four. Four. Positive comment. Four. [1:46:35, 1:46:39]: Are you for the project? Are you good o okay, okay, okay. [1:46:39, 1:46:46]: And and on the right side, four. All right. Anybody oppose the project on my far far left. Any oppose the project in the middle? [1:46:47, 1:46:54]: Okay. If c line up on the side over here. Line up on the side. Anybody on my far right that's oppose the project? Okay. So [1:46:54, 1:47:00]: We'll take the first sir go ahead. Whoever's first? Yeah. N name and address, please. [1:47:05, 1:47:25]: Good evening. My name is Jocelyn Williams, 190 Banks Drive, Stockbridge, Georgia. Excellent presentation tonight. However, I am in complete opposition to this rezoning request from the PUD to a PUD master plan development because it would place a hardship on the surrounding area. [1:47:25, 1:47:45]: thinking that 270 plus 94 would be over 300 new residents. And I know that we're talking about traffic lights being installed, but I would like to get more information because it would negatively affect the property that's um not in alignment with the improvement of the roads. [1:47:45, 1:47:55]: [6475.7, 6488.2]: Red Oak where I live and Walt Stevens. So I would like to get more information how these two Reeves Creek would join together with the three hundred new residents that we'll be welcoming to our area. Thank you. [1:48:09, 1:48:13]: Thank you. In person. Name and address, please. [1:48:14, 1:48:21]: My name is Courtney Hunter, State 164, Titan Road, Stockbridge, Georgia, and I am in opposition of the rezoning case RZ. [1:48:22, 1:48:24]: Dash two zero two four dash eleven. [1:48:24, 1:48:31]: Um I feel that basically flippin' road, when you turn off Walt Stevens, where that sign is is where they're supposed to be building. [1:48:31, 1:48:32]: Both of these properties [1:48:33, 1:48:40]: The traffic is already congested on Flippin' Road. They don't have any details of how they're gonna widen this road. [1:48:40, 1:48:44]: how they're gonna put the traffic lights there. You also gotta look at water. [1:48:44, 1:48:50]: Problem stormwater management, traffic utilities, the environmental impact. [1:48:50, 1:48:54]: Um actually traffic and safety, emergency vehicles. [1:48:54, 1:48:59]: Basically stress when you're looking at the traff the street right now, they have daycare a daycare center. [1:49:00, 1:49:12]: on that street and you also have to factor in when people are coming off Walt Stevens and they're turning right, you're now getting into that traffic where border farms subdivision is, where people are trying to use shortcuts to get to the expressway. [1:49:12, 1:49:18]: So you're basically trying to incorporate two subdivisions on a street that's already stressed out. [1:49:19, 1:49:21]: I just feel like you should listen to the community. [1:49:21, 1:49:32]: You ask us to vote for you. I just ask that you please listen to us and listen to our concerns when it comes to building subdivisions. It's already packed there. Traffic is a mess. [1:49:32, 1:49:45]: Flippin' Road is always packed. So it's kinda like if you don't live in this area or near here, you're not experiencing what we're experiencing. And so I'm just asking if you would just please delay this or deny it. [1:49:45, 1:49:48]: Until further more detailed information is provided. [1:49:49, 1:49:57]: To where we can feel comfortable enough to say, yes, we're so we're okay with this subdivision. Thank you very much. Thank you. Sir, name and address, please. [1:49:59, 1:50:19]: Uh my name is Willie Carter, uh address one twenty three Wilson Avenue. I uh oppose this this project. Um I'm gonna rebuttal to um Alexander. Yeah, w the residents not afraid of growth, but you have to do this from a logical standpoint. Seem like the growth that's been going on along with flipping road has been no logic from [1:50:19, 1:50:29]: from n uh I don't wanna say none of you, but mo most of you from up there. So so you got to do stuff, you're gonna do something to have with some kind of logical or with some kind of consideration. [1:50:30, 1:50:35]: Nothing on flipping road is it sh needs to be uh uh [1:50:35, 1:50:47]: Anything else should shouldn't come on Flippin' Road until you do some kind of infrastructure. The infrastructure for Flippin' Road is not there from North Henry all the way to Hudson Bridge. It's not there. The infrastructure is not there. [1:50:47, 1:50:50]: It's not even gonna be sustainable to for what it is now. [1:50:50, 1:50:52]: to which I was talking about bringing in a new sub. [1:50:53, 1:50:55]: And you haven't got the proper infrastructure in right now. [1:50:58, 1:50:59]: You're not you. [1:50:59, 1:51:19]: Oh, thank you very much. Um Ryan, yeah, yeah, gentlemen, why don't you come back to Poldum, all three of you? And uh Mr. uh um Gardner as well, please. Um a couple of things. Um just to make sure that we caught this, I guess. Um the widening there is a plan to widen [1:51:19, 1:51:39]: That's under construction. Right. Okay, so when it comes to uh say Walt round Walt Stevens as you as you go south, excuse me, south. [1:51:39, 1:51:47]: uh towards Hudson Bridge. I mean that's something once again that's in and that's that road is in and out. That area's in and out in the city and in the county. [1:51:47, 1:51:49]: All right, it goes in and out. So [1:51:49, 1:52:01]: Once again, uh besides uh anything that Mr. Alzheimer may say, how about you, Mr. Gardner? You know anything else or Ryan, anything else in reference to what the county's saying about that particular part of the road, anything in the same nature? [1:52:01, 1:52:06]: And and and Hudson Bridge. Hudson Bridge. [1:52:07, 1:52:16]: No, widening of um no, other than they're gonna make some improvements as it relates to side sidewalk, but repaving of the road. [1:52:16, 1:52:23]: Um, as I mentioned before, that area is gonna be problematic for widening because you have to take into account the inner state. [1:52:24, 1:52:26]: You can't there's not enough room to put [1:52:27, 1:52:29]: Two additional liens or three additional liens. [1:52:29, 1:52:40]: under the interchange. You just drive it yourself and you could see the walls from both sides, you'd have to move those which require you to go through a federal process in order to make that happen. Okay. Um [1:52:41, 1:52:41]: You know [1:52:42, 1:52:46]: I know people say, you know, beat the roads, but unfortunate [1:52:47, 1:52:52]: This council, like all councils outside of the city of Atlanta. [1:52:52, 1:52:54]: Um and a few others. [1:52:55, 1:52:57]: Кана так інте акаунт род'. [1:52:58, 1:53:10]: or schools in zoning decisions. Um that's the state law. They are bound by state law when it comes to that. If that was the case, yes, we would have been doing that years ago. Um [1:53:10, 1:53:25]: And unfortunate because the people that own the land who's been here for years and years and years have a right to sell their property obviously for for the highest and best use and sometimes it includes selling it to developers. That's how most of us got here. Um [1:53:25, 1:53:45]: But the key is, I think the developer is showing that and it's required, they're gonna be required to make some improvements along um Flippin' Road from North Henry Boulevard to going towards the intersection of Walt Stevens and Red Oak Road in order to make this development happen. [1:53:45, 1:53:55]: and hopefully over time those improvements will the county be able to make it happen. But the biggest barrier you're gonna have once you go south of the intersection of Walt Stevenson, [1:53:56, 1:54:00]: Walt Stevens and um Red Oak is the interstate. [1:54:00, 1:54:20]: Th there's news on that too. Right. So so really well yeah, the the concern is tire Walps uh uh flipping, but actually from Wall Street was north all the way to North Henry, and of course that's where this developments are coming and you've already added in, sir. There is some decel range, turn lanes, uh uh and a light coming that you are putting in as [1:54:20, 1:54:40]: As well. And what you say, Mr. Gardner, is absolutely right. Law this based on the Georgia law, we can't utilize that trafficking in certain schools and road structure, infrastructure like that, is a denial for any project particular like this. And for another little note, uh, even though an entire council can travel through this area, I will tell you that myself and Miss Gantt living out of [1:54:40, 1:55:00]: immediate area. So we see this as well on a daily basis. So understand clearly what the And to clear it up. Most folks don't realize if you drive Walt Stevens Road, Walt Stevens Road has a huge right of way. That was because Walt Stevens, if you drive that road, it actually goes into Clayton County and it forleans itself. [1:55:00, 1:55:20]: Where 138 bends and goes in. The goal was to widen Walt Stevens from that point where the old pharmacy is. I think it was the Walgreens work there on that bend, was to widen it all the way over to Red to Flippin. Um but the issue was the interstate and that cost. And that plan has been sitting on the state. [1:55:20, 1:55:40]: And by the way, I need to make a note there. I've I've closed that portion of the of the um need to close that portion of the public hearing in reference to the the public speaking, public speaking of the every spokes on that assum. And so any other any [1:55:40, 1:55:43]: Any other things that you want to emphasize, sir, before we take a vote here? [1:55:43, 1:55:57]: I'm gonna be brief, but I I was just there were questions about traffic impacts, environmental impacts, and details. The detail came in phase one, right? We spent a year at least on that rezoning. As you guys heard, it went through the DRI process of the Atlanta Regional Commission, Greta. [1:55:58, 1:56:10]: staff, the surrounding counties and cities all got together and all talked about a lot of the things that that are being talked about tonight. Uh and the the improvements that we're required to make on Flippin' Road were [1:56:10, 1:56:16]: part of the approval of the west side. So they're actually in the zoning conditions. We we can't decide, hey, we don't want to put that turn lane in. [1:56:17, 1:56:35]: Because it's a zoning condition. So so these things uh are happening and they will happen. And the good news is they're gonna happen by us. Nobody's gonna be waiting for the state or Henry County to f figure out what to do. These are coming right now. We got an LDP last week. You'll start to see these improvements pretty soon. And I guess the the only other thing uh I wanna mention just kind of remind everybody of i I mean [1:56:36, 1:56:56]: Again, a lot of the things that were raised just are not on the table tonight, right? This is not a rezoning. You know, the the the the factors that you go through according to the the code address some of the details that were mentioned earlier, but that we're we're past that, right? We were approved for a hundred unit townhome development in Henry County. We were brought into the city. We're happy to be here, by the way. We're ra would rather be here than Henry County. [1:56:56, 1:57:16]: County. Uh but we're just trying to, you know, we we submitted a plan and the question is, are you guys okay with this plan? That's really the question. And I haven't heard anybody complain about the layout of our design or any of that kind of stuff. So that that's really the question on the table tonight. All right. And originally Ryan had mentioned, Sanson had mentioned the conditions uh that you agreed upon, but I think in your presentation, [1:57:16, 1:57:23]: There are some additional uh conditions that need to be added in to make sure we capture everything, is that correct? [1:57:23, 1:57:24]: Yeah, so so [1:57:25, 1:57:35]: The only thing that that I suggested was uh Councilman Alexander had asked about making the overhangs on the buildings metal. So the [1:57:36, 1:57:56]: The overhang over the door, the overhang on the porch, that kind of things have a metal roof and we're we're we're willing to do that. So that's not in the conditions now. If you guys want us to do that, I'd suggest that. Correct. [1:57:56, 1:57:58]: Okay, so we need to make sure we get those in. So that we [1:57:59, 1:58:08]: He Gordon. What he's got he's got him? Well, he needs to come to the mic then. What's I'm sorry, m Miss um uh uh Gordon needs to come to the mic. Go ahead, ma'am. [1:58:14, 1:58:15]: Yes. [1:58:19, 1:58:30]: Yeah. Right. We got a couple more. The ten foot multi-use path along the frontage of um highway of uh flipping road, uh the flock cameras. [1:58:34, 1:58:39]: And the eighteen in the eighteen hundred minimum square feet uh on the [1:58:40, 1:58:48]: on the m uh with an administrative waiver uh for that particular side. And then the one thing that I saw in the um [1:58:49, 1:59:09]: depiction that councilwoman Gann also talks about and we got caught up in it is that the side of the town homes were brick. Not not all of you had the brick front, but the sides on the end camp of you have four in a row or five in a row that the side of those uh units would be brick on the side. Not [1:59:09, 1:59:23]: Not just hardy plank on the side that um the four in a row you would have the composition of brick stone or stuck over there and but the side on the four or five that you would have in a row would be uh brick. [1:59:24, 1:59:39]: Brick veneer what one which are wondering but then we're gonna need to show us on the you need to look on the presentation. On the depiction it was showed as brick, right? Right. Uh so at basically the ends in buildings that are visible. So you come pull in, you see a end of a town home. [1:59:40, 1:59:47]: And it that would have a th i it would be brick on the side and then the front compared to if you had like [1:59:47, 1:59:55]: Um and then the rest of them in between you can't really see that. Right. But if you if you you know, when you're coming coming into an entrance [1:59:56, 2:00:03]: Or exit way or the end of talking about that, Councilmember Gat? Yeah. Right. That's that's is that brick? Yeah. [2:00:04, 2:00:24]: That's brick, right? It's showing a brick, but our condition right now set forth from material material perspective. I don't have the exact percentage up, but there's a specific material requirement that we must abide by. I understand the intent of the desire for brick and and I would like to commit to that. However, from a constructibility perspective, [2:00:24, 2:00:43]: you could see here that some of these um might have a different transition and material type. No, no, we're aware of it when you wrap it around. So if you had like hardy plank at the front and then you just did brick on the side, it would it would not work with water. I'm getting too deep detailed. Yeah. So my my point is is um [2:00:44, 2:00:45]: Uh I [2:00:46, 2:01:06]: She's only talking about the ones that are visible from the street. Like when you're pulling off of a flippin' road and you see the end cap there, the one on the end cap would be brick'cause it would be visible from Flippin' Road and from Fairhaven or the pulling street. Not all of them. Just the ones that are in the public. We understand the mix of the percentage of the material. [2:01:06, 2:01:13]: Even on the front end, I understand that. But that side like because you're having the majority of the percentage, the majority [2:01:13, 2:01:18]: um based off of our code requires brick majority brick, right? And you do have [2:01:18, 2:01:27]: The option for stone and different other materials, however, on those sides, those end caps, those yeah, that's what we're talking about. [2:01:27, 2:01:36]: Um I sure and and for the record, I just want our audience to know what's going on. I don't I think there's a misunderstanding. [2:01:37, 2:01:41]: We can't vote not to have this project. This is not a zoning. [2:01:41, 2:01:45]: hearing. This is not a zoning saying, hey [2:01:45, 2:02:02]: Um whether or not we're gonna change our zoning to allow for town homes to come to take place. That's not what's happening here. That has already taken place. That took place in Henry County. It was already adopted. We cannot what we're uh working on right now is [2:02:02, 2:02:13]: what those what those what that looks like. So I just want you guys to know we can't vote it against a development that was already in place. [2:02:13, 2:02:18]: We're not voting in regards again, we're not voting on the zoning, changing from [2:02:18, 2:02:22]: Um commercial to residential or commercial to town homes. That's not what we're doing. [2:02:23, 2:02:27]: That was already in place. We can't do anything about it. [2:02:28, 2:02:30]: I just need everybody to understand that. [2:02:30, 2:02:35]: No you are that's not enough. Go ahead, please, sir. [2:02:36, 2:02:36]: Okay. [2:02:39, 2:02:57]: Who is that? I was just gonna have it we're we're okay with what you guys are saying about the brick. I was gonna propose sort of the way to do this. If if we add to building facades, you know, you can keep the language that just that's there, but say you know the the end caps visible from the right of way shall be brick or something you know, something along on that along that line. [2:02:57, 2:03:04]: Okay. Yeah. But I think I do want to make a distinction between what you can see from the road and what may be on the backside. Correct. [2:03:04, 2:03:06]: Ms. Barber, you need a comment, please? [2:03:09, 2:03:18]: Okay, this item is just for council's of approval of those three or is it four parcels? Is that what it is? [2:03:19, 2:03:25]: Is that what we're doing? It's three. Okay. Because [2:03:26, 2:03:32]: You didn't hear me? Didn't hear your comment. My question was for this particular item. [2:03:35, 2:03:53]: They're asking for council's consideration to approve the rezoning for those three particular parcels. Is that what we're doing? No ma'am. Uh so that's what the item says on the agenda. Well that's I didn't write that. So that that's not what we asked for. That may be the way it was described in the agenda, but [2:03:53, 2:04:02]: To to build this development, if I knew let's say this property were zoned agricultural. If I wanted to come in and build what I was going to build, I would ask you for a PUD zoning. [2:04:03, 2:04:11]: I already have that because you guys, when you annex this property into the city of Stockbridge, assign the PUZ district district to it. So we have the rezoning. [2:04:12, 2:04:21]: We would not need to be here at all, but for one wrinkle in your code, which is in the PUD zoning district, you've got to approve a master plan. Basically [2:04:21, 2:04:26]: Here's what you're gonna build, because otherwise we could come and just build whatever we wanted to, right? So this is just to show you look. [2:04:27, 2:04:47]: We got 94 townhomes. Here's how we're gonna lay them out. Here's how they're gonna orient to the properties to the east, here where the sidewalks are gonna go, and that kind of thing. So that's why we're here. We have the zoning we need. We can build townhomes, we can build 94 of them. Uh we just but but to get a permit, we gotta have a master plan, and that's what we're here for. And what and that's what we've been talking about tonight. This is these are not. [2:04:47, 2:04:49]: [7490.0, 7501.8]: The drawing in front of you is what we're proposing. Okay. Well what I'd like to ask for is for you to reduce the density. That's what I like to see. But since you already have gone through that process, um [2:05:02, 2:05:13]: We w we have reduced the decline. I'm deeply confused about where we are at this point. So I would even waste your time. I'm just gonna abstain on this. You seem to have the support from the rest of the council. [2:05:13, 2:05:33]: Thank you, sir. All right. So let's say make sure we got all those additional additional conditions that you agreed to besides what Mr. Anderson had mentioned. So stand by. Um Miss Clerk. Okay. Okay. What additional conditions do you have? I'm going to be agreement with you, Mayor. What I'm showing is the overhangs would be milled. [2:05:33, 2:05:35]: [7535.7, 7545.8]: hundred minimum square feet, ten percent rental cap, ten foot paths along the property to um Reeves Creek Trail. [2:05:46, 2:05:50]: Block cameras and the inn buildings would be brick on the side. [2:05:50, 2:05:51]: And uh [2:05:52, 2:05:55]: Front if they're visible from the [2:05:56, 2:05:57]: And street lights. [2:05:58, 2:06:15]: Well the side we were we talking about the fronts too, visible from the right or I thought we were talking about this in caps. Right. You want street lights, what type of street lights are you talking about, sir? Those well those were the well the the custom the decorative street lights along the front. [2:06:15, 2:06:17]: Deglus three lights. [2:06:17, 2:06:29]: Now the qu that that she added that to List. That will be along the path or wherever the path is, the street lights will be along the because there's no street lights over there now. So that's in addition to staff conditions. [2:06:29, 2:06:39]: Yes. Right, right. Now now the question is, are you willing to all these additional type of taskings or conditions that were added, are you all right with all those conditions? [2:06:39, 2:06:50]: Yes, with one clarification. I thought we were talking about was the end caps visible from the right of way shall be all brick. If that's what you just said, then that's we that's I think thought that's what we were talking about. We agree to that. Yes. [2:06:51, 2:06:57]: That is correct, Council. Is that is that correct? That is correct. That is correct, sir. Okay. So we just add a street like [2:06:57, 2:06:57]: Fleck. [2:06:58, 2:07:00]: Flock cameras and street lights you're good with as well. [2:07:01, 2:07:04]: We we agree, yep. All right. So we've got a yes sir. In closing. [2:07:05, 2:07:15]: In closing? Yes, I have a comment. Okay. Well you you you want before the vote or after the vote? Before the vote. Go right here, sir. Well I I just want to thank you again for the presentation. [2:07:15, 2:07:19]: But more importantly, I wanna thank you for clarifying [2:07:20, 2:07:22]: The test at hand tonight. [2:07:22, 2:07:25]: And I want to make sure that folk that are watching. [2:07:25, 2:07:27]: And the folk that are here. [2:07:27, 2:07:33]: to understand that I think Mrs. Gantt sort of emphasized that too. And you came back and emphasized that. [2:07:33, 2:07:40]: So we just want to make it clear, you know, the task at hand tonight. And I just want to thank you for clarifying that. [2:07:41, 2:07:58]: Yes, ma'am. Go ahead please. And one last thing, and I don't know how we can correct this, but item number ten is confusing. It does say rezoning case. So uh it does confuse the audience. It would confuse me, it would confuse anyone, because although it's [2:07:59, 2:08:19]: Uh uh it it will be confusing in thinking that we are voting to rezone something and we're not. Like that's a staff. Okay. All right, so Miss Barney, you can address the Yeah, so very quickly moving forward, I think Ryan and I just uh spoke about this and by that term I think it already gone out, but it should be approval of a master. [2:08:19, 2:08:22]: of a master concept plan versus a rezoning to a rezoning. [2:08:23, 2:08:25]: No, it's a totally different process. [2:08:25, 2:08:27]: Correct. So the motion needs to say that then. [2:08:28, 2:08:48]: Right. But I I also want the agenda to reflect that. And that and that's important. Um, because people will think that we actually did some type of rezoning and we didn't. It was already here. I don't want to not be transparent to the constituents. I believe that we need to maybe I can randomly make a motion. [2:08:48, 2:08:54]: to amend the agenda to read item number 10 as uh modify I mean um [2:08:55, 2:09:00]: uh you know, changing a plan master plan to a I mean changing a [2:09:00, 2:09:09]: Um a plan unit development into a master plan development. I would like to make that motion prior to us making the motion in regards to this hearing. [2:09:09, 2:09:19]: Because I wanna make sure that it's clear that the audience that our constituents because that was their they came up and a lot of people came up and made public comments that weren't [2:09:20, 2:09:34]: We app although I appreciate it, there's nothing we can do by law that are not relevant to what we were actually here to vote on tonight, which is just changing a plan unit development over to approving it as a master plan. [2:09:35, 2:09:42]: And therefore, we want the record to reflect that as well. All right, so that goes into the minutes. So I would like to make a motion to amend. [2:09:43, 2:09:49]: the agenda to change item number ten on the public under public hearing to read [2:09:49, 2:09:55]: to d take out the words rezoning case and change that to a [2:09:55, 2:09:58]: Change of plan unit development. [2:09:58, 2:10:03]: and to in into a plan unit development master plan. [2:10:04, 2:10:04]: I circuit. [2:10:05, 2:10:14]: All right. That's correct verbiage that you need, uh, Mr. Anderson? Yes, sir. Okay, is there is been made motion made in the second. All favor, please indicate. [2:10:15, 2:10:16]: Okay. [2:10:16, 2:10:24]: Um Miss Barber? I will abstain. All right. So three zero one that passes. Okay. Now that we've done that, and matter of fact, Mr. [2:10:25, 2:10:25]: Mr. Washington. [2:10:26, 2:10:27]: That question. [2:10:27, 2:10:28]: Question. Okay. [2:10:28, 2:10:40]: We can d no no no that's no that's no no that was just for send the the title for the uh title for the agenda item. Now it comes to the vote for the actual approval or disapproval. [2:10:40, 2:10:47]: Okay, that's that w that's where the conditions come in. Yes. Mr. Quentin, what we just did is proper, right? From a legal standpoint? Okay, got it, good. Now [2:10:48, 2:10:57]: Okay. Now council need a motion to approve or disapprove this uh this new concept for this master plan with with conditions. So moved. [2:11:00, 2:11:08]: All right. Uh mister Mr Thomas says to so moves there a second. Before let's let me get clarity on the city clerk. [2:11:09, 2:11:10]: Okay. [2:11:10, 2:11:12]: So you're making a motion then, sir. Yeah. [2:11:15, 2:11:35]: Yeah, I mean the the changing of the verbiage for the agenda item itself. I was the very first one. Okay. But now we now it's the motion you made, sir, in reference to the overall item for approval, disapproval. And you move it for approval. For the mass plan. You handed the approval. For the mass plan. Yes. Mr. Alexander is second. All favor, please indicate. With condition. [2:11:34, 2:11:43]: With yeah, with conditions. With conditions, absolutely, with conditions. You second that, right? Ms. Okay, all in favor please syndicate once again. Three, Miss Barber, you're staining. [2:11:44, 2:11:49]: I will abstain. All right. Three zero one motion passed. Congratulations. No problem. [2:11:53, 2:12:13]: Alrighty. Announcements and upcoming events. Citywide Development Authority meeting, second Tuesday of each month. City Hall, the Levi meeting room at 6 p.m. January 14th. Planning Commission meeting third Tuesday Thursday of each month, 6:30 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers actually actually says council here. That planning commission meeting. City offices will be closed Monday. [2:12:13, 2:12:33]: January 20th and observed the Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday, where Stockbridge ancestral home and it connects to the community. 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My comments are uh first of all, obviously in the last 10 [2:13:52, 2:14:12]: days or so uh we've been honoring and giving um homage and and uh thinking clearly about the the death of uh Jimmy Carter the third ninth president of the country and of course uh a resident of Georgia and the only president of our country to come out of Georgia so uh obviously um um we uh well wish his family well [2:14:12, 2:14:32]: in this aspect in honor Jamie Carter. Um it is actually January, so it's still flu season, so make sure you get the flu shots, COVID nineteen uh boosters and be healthy. Want everybody to be healthy and make it through the through the winter. And obviously hopefully everybody made it through this little snow snow activity we had for a couple of days. [2:14:32, 2:14:52]: Last several days or so. And um and keeping your prayers to all the individuals and families and businesses and the folks in uh California do the wildfires. The the fires are going wild out in California and all the devastation of that natural disaster. Keep those folks in your prayers'cause obviously they got a they got a rough time right now for [2:14:52, 2:15:01]: m months and months to come. Um on that note we've already had our executive session, so uh I will say to you I need a motion to end our meeting. [2:15:01, 2:15:10]: So moved. Is there a second? Second. From Ms. Gantt and Mr. Alexander. All in favor, please indicate. Okay. Good night, everybody. God bless y'all. We are now adjourned. [2:15:12, 2:15:13]: We got you know what? [2:15:15, 2:15:28]: Mr. Young sent us the email. My mic is off. Right. Yeah, he actually was okay with us announcing about the so tell everybody that the announcement for the amphitheater is tomorrow at ten o'clock. [2:15:28, 2:15:45]: Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, he yeah, he said that to send us an email. I don't see us. Right, he said they're doing it tomorrow again. And he said we should we could announce it tonight. So everybody would do an email. I called them before the meeting. [2:15:49, 2:15:56]: All right. Meeting's closed but one night if the we're still on, yeah. What it is. Just found out that uh our amphitheater manager

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2024-12-17 source: 2024-12-17_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:03]: Cynthia Jenkins, if you'd come forward and give an invocation, please stand if you can. [0:00:10, 0:00:14]: Is a m is a mic on? Is a green light on? Green light. [0:00:14, 0:00:16]: There we go. Thank you. [0:00:17, 0:00:37]: Let us pray. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you so much for bringing us together today to discuss the business of the city, the great city of Stockbridge. Bless each person that is here. Bless each person that is in charge to make sure that this city goes forward in the way that you would have. Bless the staff, bless the citizens, and bless this community. In Jesus' name we pray. [0:00:37, 0:00:51]: Amen. Amen. Do the pledge allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which we stand. One nation, underground, individual, with liberty and justice. [0:00:52, 0:00:55]: Roll call, Madam Klerk. [0:01:03, 0:01:03]: Evening. [0:01:05, 0:01:05]: Present. [0:01:10, 0:01:14]: Present. Council Member Barber. Present. Council Member Gantt. [0:01:15, 0:01:35]: That the record reflect Council Member Gantt is not in attendance. Councilmember Thomas. Mayor Ford, you have a court. And this is um some property that's on the uh Black Hall area along the uh sub. [0:01:35, 0:01:48]: subdiv near the subdivision of um mannerly and deals with septic tank issues, but uh they want to withdraw, so we're not gonna have them this evening at all. On that note, then I need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:01:49, 0:02:09]: Okay, so move. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, sir. I'm glad I didn't see you. That's okay, sir. Um good evening, Mayor. Council. Um I think the issue was y'all wanted to let wanted us to find out if they were if there was sewer availability for them to connect to. And according to staff, there is no sewer there. So they would have to meet the health department guidelines as it relates to sewer septic. [0:02:09, 0:02:23]: Which is typically I think about an acre and a half or acre and a quarter lot in order for septic. And it also has the source of the be correct in order for it to get the authority to build on the lot from the health department. [0:02:23, 0:02:41]: Okay. So so that's the reason for withdrawing. Okay. Okay. Thank you, sir. I I guess and are there any questions for the council on that? I suppose that uh Uh yeah. Uh well we'll talk about it all. Okay, all right, got it. All right, so uh thank you, Mr. Gardner, for that. Uh once again, uh uh council any uh uh motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:02:42, 0:02:47]: So move. Is there a second? Second. Okay, from Mr. Alexander and Mr. Berry. All in favor, please indicate. [0:02:49, 0:03:09]: All right. Okay, unanimous decision on that note. Re uh council, review your minutes. Review the minutes of December 9th, 2024 council meeting. Uh if there are no changes to that, then I need a motion to accept those minutes into the record as well. So move. I'm s I'm sorry, excuse me. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. [0:03:08, 0:03:28]: not happen until our main meeting. Excuse me. My my bag. I okay. I just if you need any changes to this uh uh minutes or whatnot, please let the uh the clerk know and they'll we'll review the actually approve these minutes at our next uh uh formal council meeting which won't be actually until twenty twenty five in that aspect. Okay. Excuse me for that. Uh public comments. Madam Clerk do we have any public comments? [0:03:28, 0:03:48]: No public comments. Okay. Uh before you council, I have a consent agenda. And this is Council of Consideration to reappoint the Stockbridge representative to the Henry County Transportation Advisory Group Member in L Gonzalez to a two-year term. Council of Consideration approved the resolution for the renewal of the Georgia City solution. [0:03:48, 0:04:08]: City of Civility Designation. Council of Consideration approved the GMA Germat ST STSD first responder program in amount of$10,000. Council of Consideration approved the annual work compensation renewal with key risk an amount of$119,000 for$199,000. [0:04:08, 0:04:28]: $19,419. And council consideration to approve the renewal of the city's wellness program and engagement health group in amount of$55,450. And then you also also a consent agenda for the 2025 municipal court hearing dates. So those on the consent agenda I have a motion to [0:04:28, 0:04:30]: [274.1, 275.0]: Was there a second? [0:04:37, 0:04:44]: Yes. Okay, Miss I've come from Mr. Alexander to Mr. Berry. All in favor, please indicate. Case unanimous decision. Thank you very much, Council. [0:04:50, 0:05:05]: Old business council consideration to approve the vehicle vehicle lease program with enterprise fleet management for public works and the police department vehicles. Uh I have here Mr Aaron and and Mr and Chief Tremor is the to present this item. [0:05:07, 0:05:08]: Thank you, gentlemen. Please come forward. [0:05:15, 0:05:17]: Uh good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council. [0:05:17, 0:05:28]: We have here with us tonight Mr. Tajay Bodrick with Enterprise uh and he will be here presenting the lease options for the city of Stockbridges vehicle. [0:05:29, 0:05:29]: Well, thank you. [0:05:38, 0:05:58]: Good evening. Good evening to you. Uh to tonight I'm accompanied by uh Kat Farber. She will be here with me presenting tonight. Um my plan tonight is to really just go to further dive into the analysis that we presented the last time we were here. But I really want to uh dive more into that analysis and further explain why other municipalities are partnering with Enterprise Fleet Management and then I'll [0:05:58, 0:06:04]: I'll open it up for some questions at the end should you guys have any. Does that sound fair? Sure, no problem. Yes, it does. It's good. Awesome. [0:06:05, 0:06:07]: Um are you guys putting anything up? [0:06:10, 0:06:11]: Oh no. [0:06:15, 0:06:17]: Pinquin the target. [0:06:18, 0:06:20]: On the same return to the five. [0:06:23, 0:06:30]: Uh that's fine. Thank you. I can start there. Perfect. Thank you. Awesome. [0:06:33, 0:06:53]: So, first let's start off with just explaining who Enterprise is. Um, October of 2023, Enterprise changed their name to Enterprise Mobility. Really, the mission here was to just reinforce our commitment to being a total transportation solution provider and all of your transportation needs. So, outside of fleet management, we have 11 other business lines to help you with any of your transportation needs. [0:06:53, 0:06:54]: Yeah. [0:06:54, 0:07:14]: Um currently today we're partnered with over 40 municipalities right here in Metro Atlanta. Here are just a few that I'm pretty sure you guys know. But all of these municipalities partner with Enterprise by piggybacking off of the source well contract that's been awarded to Enterprise for fleet management. Essentially what this does is it's kind of uh it's vetted out the program itself. [0:07:14, 0:07:20]: is negotiated pricing for you all to make that process of the your due diligence process a lot smoother for you all, okay? [0:07:22, 0:07:42]: So, why do municipalities really partner with enterprise? When we look at a municipality, we're able to help them in pretty much three categories, and that's going to be financially, operationally, and then administratively. Financially, we're able to help you expand your budget or purchase more vehicles using less dollars. Operationally, we will analyze your flu. [0:07:42, 0:08:02]: And by identifying vehicles to replace that are aging in your fleet, by replacing these vehicles, what this allows you to do is one, reduce downtime, but it also allows you to minimize and avoid the random repairs that happen on aged vehicles. Another part of that operational piece is the maintenance oversight that our expert team provides to your local. [0:08:02, 0:08:22]: your local team itself here and giving them recommendations on which repairs are needed for vehicles and if that repair should be done or not. On the admin side, we look at everything on a cent per mile basis. So what this does for you all is it allows you all to make calculated decisions on how and when to replace the vehicles, making sure that we're making the best use of the city's dollars. [0:08:26, 0:08:40]: All right, so the unique thing about enterprises, when we look at fleet, we look at it in a holistic view. So our goal typ typically your when you look at your expenses, they're broken down into two different categories. You have your capital budget and you have an operational budget. [0:08:40, 0:09:00]: The way we really control these categories is one with capital side, that's gonna be our depreciation of a vehicle. So the way we actually control that is identifying the right time to sell that vehicle. And the way you calculate that is what you buy the vehicle for, less what you sell that vehicle for. And that's gonna be on your capital side. Now, operationally, the way we control our operational expenses is [0:09:00, 0:09:20]: By one with fuel efficiency. So by operating more fuel efficient vehicles, and then when it comes to the maintenance side, by replacing those older vehicles, that again is going to eliminate that downtime, but also avoid you from paying those high-dollar maintenance expenses as vehicles get older in age. And when you combine all of those together, what you get is a total of [0:09:20, 0:09:21]: fleet impact. [0:09:23, 0:09:33]: So the philosophy behind enterprise really is to identify what is that optimal time. So when we're looking at a vehicle's effective life cycle, we have three determining factors here. [0:09:34, 0:09:54]: That's gonna be your depreciation, your fuel, and then maintenance. So obviously, as we all know, when you first buy a vehicle, it depreciates immediately, right? But as time goes on, when you look at things, you say, okay, well, if I just buy a vehicle, it just depreciates, but then I'm done. But that's not really necessarily true. We also have to worry about the other two factors, and that's gonna be your fuel and your [0:09:53, 0:10:13]: Maintenance piece. So what we do is we identify when is the right time to replace that vehicle. And that time is typically when those lines start to intersect each other. So that's replacing that vehicle before the value of the vehicle, the resale value of the vehicle is non-existent, but also replacing the vehicle before your maintenance costs outweigh the actual cost of the vehicle itself. [0:10:13, 0:10:17]: And that's when we find that optimal time. So that can be [0:10:17, 0:10:25]: Completely different for several different types of vehicles, but what we do is we identify that time depending on the vehicle's type and its usage. [0:10:27, 0:10:38]: So, um, what I've been tasked with here is to separate your public works department and your police department. So for this segment here, I'm s I'm solely focusing on the public works department itself. [0:10:38, 0:10:42]: So when I look at your public works department, you guys have forty-nine vehicles. [0:10:42, 0:11:02]: Twenty-eight out of those 49 vehicles are 10 years or older, which is causing you guys today to spend about$137 a month on your maintenance. Now by replacing these older vehicles with newer vehicles, we're able to reduce that$137 per month per vehicle down to$46.96. And that's solely by replacing old vehicles with new vehicles. [0:11:03, 0:11:17]: Today you guys are pretty much acquiring three vehicles a year or on a 16-year replacement plan. But with the plan that we've put together, that will move you guys over to a five-year replacement plan, saving you$102,000 over the course of 10 years. And that's just for the public works department. [0:11:20, 0:11:40]: So outside of just replacing older vehicles and controlling a fleet impact, one really important factor is safety. And that's something that we kind of go to the wayside at times. So when you look at your fleet, um every every five years, manufacturer the feds may require manufacturers to update. [0:11:40, 0:12:00]: There are standard regulations or standard options that they have in vehicles. So as you see here, 2007, 2012, 2018, and 2023, options become standard and you can see which percentage of your fleet does not have these options. Now the reason this is important to you is because you want to make sure that your your employees that are driving for the city of Stockbridge are driving safe vehicles, right? [0:11:59, 0:12:13]: All right, so as of today, we have 80% of your vehicles are older than 2018. So that means 80% of your vehicles do not have forward collision warning, blind spot monitoring, offset crash testing and rear um and rear cameras. [0:12:16, 0:12:18]: So what this looks like for the public works department. So [0:12:19, 0:12:39]: My goal behind showing the slide here is two things. Um, when you think of enterprise fleet management, what we're coming to you as is being a consultant, something similar to your your fleet or your financial advisor. We're here to make recommendations on how to lower your total cost of ownership or lower that fleet impact. And what that looks like here for you guys today is we [0:12:39, 0:12:48]: We're put you on a model to where you're placing vehicles every year and what we're doing is we're identifying models that are over a certain age point and a certain mileage point. [0:12:50, 0:12:53]: As we continue to go down, the next thing is going to be your police department. [0:12:54, 0:13:14]: Now, the thing with the police department, Commissioner Barber, I believe you said this the last time, one of the big concerns was that um in 2022 the police department made a very, very large purchase that we would like to try to avoid. And what I've done today is I've created a plan that will allow the police department to continue replacing vehicles that will stop us from spending over a million dollars replacing. [0:13:14, 0:13:30]: replacing those vehicles all at one time. I believe that number that you guys used to replace um those fifty vehicles is closer to about three point four million dollars that you spent back in twenty twenty two. So what I'm looking to do is to find an effective way to continue replacing these vehicles so that way we're not spending all of that money all at one time for you. [0:13:31, 0:13:34]: Now I'm sure right now you're asking, well, how do we do that? [0:13:34, 0:13:54]: Well, we have three different options when it comes to funding a vehicle itself. You can pay cash for the vehicle, you can finance the vehicle, or you can do what the other 42 Metas Hallies are doing. That's using the enterprise open-ended leasing model. What that looks like is we're taking a same scenario for all three different options. We have a$50,000 budget over the course of five years. [0:13:54, 0:14:14]: If we're to pay cash with a$50,000 budget, we're able to purchase two vehicles,$25,$25,000 apiece. If we're financing the vehicles, we're able to purchase two vehicles a year.$10,000 a year over five years will give us$50,000. However, we have another option that all the other municipalities are using, and this is allowing them to purchase more vehicles. [0:14:14, 0:14:26]: using the same amount of dollars. And as you can see in this example here, what you're able to do is purchase more vehicles by because now what you're doing is just you're spending three thousand dollars per year versus spending five thousand or twenty five thousand at one time. [0:14:30, 0:14:36]: So what this looks like on a total out on the outlays side here, the vehicle cost is exactly the same. [0:14:36, 0:14:54]: We sell the vehicle for exactly the same,$15,000. But what you will see is that you're able to purchase 16 vehicles versus two vehicles or versus 10 vehicles because the amount that you're paying on your um the your yearly payments are less over the other two options. [0:14:57, 0:14:58]: So [0:14:58, 0:15:11]: Kind of going back to the public workside here. We originally put together a model that would show the public workside we're placing 25 vehicles the very first year. Again, the reason the way we came up with this is because we've identified vehicles that are [0:15:11, 0:15:31]: at a certain age point, a certain mileage point. And by replacing these vehicles, we understand that this is going to immediately impact the city of Stockbridge. By replacing these older vehicles, what we will do in the very first year is reduce that maintenance cost because now we're not doing what we're not doing is paying for maintenance on older vehicles. We're simply paying maintenance on new vehicles that are active in the fleet. So [0:15:31, 0:15:31]: [933.2, 933.9]: Now [0:15:34, 0:15:54]: Like I said before, the reason I wanted to show this slide is because we are a similar to what you consider as a financial advisor. We're here to give you recommendations on how to spend money. Now, we originally presented the plan of replacing the 25 vehicles in the very first year, but we were then to ask, hey, can we streamline this plan? Can we start slow? And the answer is yes. [0:15:54, 0:16:01]: Tell me to decide to do whatever you like to do. What we will do is continue doing this analysis, and then what we'll show is that. [0:16:01, 0:16:21]: Before we were to put you on a plan that showed you 102,000 savings over the course of 10 years. This plan here, you see that the savings is 29,000. But what you'll see is the differences because we're not replacing those 25 vehicles the first year. The reason you see less savings is because now we're only replacing 10 vehicles, and your uh reduction in maintenance spend is very less. [0:16:21, 0:16:35]: less than what it was on the slide that we did before. Now again, like I said, you guys have the autonomy to replace exactly whatever vehicles you like. I'm here to make sure that I'm providing you the lowest total cost of to operate the vehicles itself. [0:16:38, 0:16:58]: Now when it comes to the police department, it's a little bit different. So the police departments, roughly, if they were to go out to purchase a vehicle today, they're looking at about$74,000 to purchase one vehicle. And that includes aftermarket equipment, purchasing the vehicle, upfitting the vehicle with your lights, your siren, all of your decals. You're looking at about a total of$74,000. [0:16:57, 0:17:00]: Um this year here. [0:17:01, 0:17:21]: The vehicles are 2022, so your vehicles right now are two years old. So in 2024, you don't have anything to replace. But by the end of 2025, the City of Stockbridge is gonna have to make a decision to start replacing some vehicles. And we're gonna have to decide if we're gonna spend again to replace these 16 vehicles that are gonna be above that mileage point. Are we going to go out and spend [0:17:21, 0:17:38]: $1.1 million to replace 16 vehicles every year for the next five years after 2025, or are we going to be able to use a sustainable plan that will allow us to place these 16 16 vehicles for$87,000, for$326,000? [0:17:39, 0:17:59]: The one thing that's left out of this analysis here that you're not seeing on this slide is the actual resale. And that's where enterprise really makes a strong impact. Today, what you're doing is you're holding onto your vehicles until pretty much the wheels fall off. Or what we're doing is we're selling our vehicles on govdeals.com or maybe even at an auction. The way we really separate ourselves is because we have our [0:17:59, 0:18:19]: Own separate remarketing team. And what their goal is, is to sell vehicles above black book average. So last year, enterprise just here in Atlanta, we sold over 80,000 vehicles, and we sold all of those vehicles 11% above black book average. So what that means to you, that's an additional anywhere from a dollar amount, that's an additional 16 to 25%. [0:18:19, 0:18:39]: four hundred dollars back to your pockets for you guys just in resale. And that's what separates us from you guys separ selling vehicles. Let's face it, at the end of the day if I tried to go out and sell a vehicle just by myself, I would have a very hard time. But this is a a billion dollar company that goes out and sells vehicles every day and that's what we pride ourselves in. We're experts in selling vehicles. [0:18:41, 0:18:58]: Another big piece of our program is gonna be the maintenance piece. For the public works vehicles, we're gonna put these vehicles on a full maintenance program. What that means is that you guys are able to plan the cost for your maintenance out. The maintenance number doesn't change, and you guys are able to take your vehicles to your local shops. [0:18:58, 0:19:03]: Best thing about that is we're putting money back to the city. We're um [0:19:03, 0:19:07]: Putting money back to the city so that's increasing your tax dollars there. [0:19:07, 0:19:27]: Uh the next program is just gonna be for your maintenance your maintenance management program, really for your police vehicles themselves. What this is gonna allow you to do is have that expert oversight of the maintenance programs, making sure that we're getting the right things done to the vehicles at the right time. I mean I'll I'll be honest, if we ever take a vehicle to a shop and they tell us that something's wrong with a vehicle and we have no clue what they're talking about. [0:19:27, 0:19:47]: Well, that's where our team comes in. They know they used to work in these shops, they're ASC certified technicians, that when they get presented with an issue that's wrong with the vehicle, and someone tells them, Hey, this may take six hours to repair, they can come back and say, No, I'm sorry, that doesn't take six hours to repair, that only takes four hours to repair. They're able to negotiate that on your behalf. [0:19:47, 0:19:51]: which in turn is gonna save you money just in labor costs and parts. [0:19:54, 0:20:14]: So what does this mean for City of Stockbridge? Well financially, we're able to help you guys save over three million dollars over the next five years. Operationally, we'll provide more expert uh vehicle expertise to help your local your uh your admin team. And then administratively, we'll be able to give you guys uh data to make calculated decisions on how to operate your fleet. [0:20:14, 0:20:16]: and went to make some replacements. [0:20:17, 0:20:25]: Um I went through that fast, but did ar um just want to kind of get to the end and ask if there's any questions. I did want to open this up and give you guys a chance to ask some questions for me. [0:20:28, 0:20:30]: Any council, any questions at this moment? [0:20:31, 0:20:31]: Yeah. [0:20:32, 0:20:40]: I got a couple. You got you got a few? Go right here, sir. Yeah, so well, Mr. Aaron and Chief, will y'all come back up here too? [0:20:48, 0:21:08]: Certainly in the ideal world we would be replacing vehicles, you know, very on a rapidly basis, but how do we factor in that these vehicles were brand new when we bought them for basically two years ago, and that now basically we're going in from a situation where we own these vehicles. [0:21:08, 0:21:28]: vehicles to uh leasing them. But certainly um we want to get the best use out of the fact that we paid for them in full with with these uh federal funds that we receive. So it will we gradually work our way into this program or tell me exactly how does that work certainly [0:21:28, 0:21:35]: We're not gonna be just dumping two year old vehicles into the system on how that worked. [0:21:35, 0:21:42]: No, at the end of the day, we're always gonna sell the vehicles for you, which in turn will help you replace those vehicles. Well I'm sorry, but that that question was for the chief. Okay. [0:21:44, 0:21:57]: Yeah, so um what they've done is taken an evaluation of the vehicles and they've looked at mileage with us having take home vehicles, obviously people live closer. Uh those people are gonna have less miles so those vehicles will not be in the initial replacement cycle. [0:21:58, 0:22:18]: If you noted in 2025 it's looking at, I believe, eight vehicles to be replaced in the twenty twenty-five cycle. That's based upon projected mileage. So we would start with eight vehicles in twenty twenty five, I think sixteen in twenty twenty six, and over the course of the five years that fleet would be recycled based upon um how those vehicles are trending in uh mileage. Uh as was [0:22:18, 0:22:38]: Mentioned the benefit here is obviously there's a cost savings from the standpoint of not having to pay those funds up front to uh purchase and upfit those vehicles. Um, but also I think there's a benefit as was indicated on the resale side. Uh right now we would [0:22:38, 0:22:50]: have to put those vehicles on uh open gub, we would have to negotiate to sell those vehicles when you have enterprise at uh large market that's able to get the best value out of those vehicles and return those funds uh to the city. [0:22:50, 0:23:09]: plus the uh the cost on maintenance. And one of the things that wasn't mentioned in your presentation that I think is worthwhile and was probably another one of your questions is we did factor in electric vehicles as part of this replacement program. So the funding that you saw there does take into account uh the acquisition of uh EV vehicles in what was quoted out for us as well. [0:23:10, 0:23:18]: Okay. All right. So what is the mileage threshold that you're using to okay, let's say, well, it's time to go ahead and move in another direction. What's the threshold? [0:23:20, 0:23:40]: The last part. What's the mileage threshold? The city side or your side or versus the city side? When we worked out a number that says this is the mileage threshold? Yeah. So each vehicle we look at differently. So your threshold is gonna be completely different for your public works than what it would be for your police department. Um when I mentioned that optimal time to replace the vehicle. [0:23:40, 0:24:00]: Vehicle. Typically that time is going to be right around that hundred thousand mile mark for really one main reason. That's typically when you'll see that your manufacturer's powertrain warranty will um go away. And that's because your manufacturers don't have faith in the vehicles holding up after 100,000 miles. So if like Chief was saying, you have vehicles that are on separate mileage patterns. Some people take vehicles home, some people don't take vehicles home. [0:23:59, 0:24:19]: Um so when we're gonna identify these vehicles, obviously we're not gonna be able to pinpoint exactly right at 100,000 miles. So we'll out of these 16 vehicles, they're basically following to a parameter um of between 80 and 100,000 miles that we'll start targeting them to be replaced. Now I when we replace a vehicle, we're not just gonna sign a document and the vehicle will be here. The vehicles will [0:24:19, 0:24:39]: With especially your police vehicles, they're gonna take anywhere from seven to ten months to be upfitted. They have to come in to get ordered, and then we have to rely on an upfitter to install the equipment on to them themselves. So that's why we proactively look at these vehicles so that way we can order vehicles ahead of time. So that way by the time they do reach that, say 80 to 100,000 miles, we already have a vehicle. [0:24:39, 0:24:41]: Vehicle on order and ready to be replaced. [0:24:42, 0:25:02]: Okay, so at this point we're anticipating that we'll have eight vehicles at about a hundred thousand miles at that time. Some of that too, as he indicated, you all know I'm sure you owned a lot of vehicles throughout the course of your time that some vehicles require more maintenance than others. And so if we're running into an issue where we're seeing significant maintenance [0:25:01, 0:25:13]: cost. It may not be at the hundred thousand mark. It may be as it relates to uh what we're spending on that vehicle, which is why it's situational. But in general, it's about a hundred thousand miles and four years of service out of those vehicles. [0:25:13, 0:25:18]: Okay. So wha how many E B vehicles do you have on your list, G? [0:25:19, 0:25:39]: Um we we're our goal is ten percent of the fleet to be uh EV. I know that in this upcoming year we're looking at acquiring six electric vehicles. Um I believe that this plan I don't know what did we spec out the four electric and four non electric. Four electric, four non-electric for twenty twenty five. So that'll put us at [0:25:39, 0:25:59]: 10 electric vehicles by 2025 for the police fleet, and then we will work those in moving forward. You know, we have some things that we have to address in terms of infrastructure to make sure that we have those things in place to be able to accommodate that size. And so we have a gradual plan to grow that and expand uh electric vehicles as we [0:25:59, 0:26:03]: Okay, does the enterprise assist with the infrastructure or no? [0:26:06, 0:26:26]: Hi, Cat Farber. So we do assist with the infrastructure from the standpoint of we partner with a third party vendor, Qmerit. They do our um infrastructure studies to see based off of the vehicles that you have what type of electricity you need, things like that. And we will help connect you with all the partners that are pre-vetted through our program to help with that process. [0:26:27, 0:26:46]: Does that include funding or is that just recommendation? Oh well, if you would like to capitalize in the leases, we can do that as well. Typically it's so uh a lot of cities would would be eligible for grants, things like that, which we would just help connect you if you were eligible for the grant with, you know, our uh folks to uh run through. [0:26:46, 0:26:50]: Okay, Mr. Aaron, how many E V vehicles do you have in your fleet coming here? [0:26:51, 0:27:08]: So well first the first thing we want to start off public works has a lot of specialty vehicles. We've spoken with them about like street sweepers, because Stormwater's talking about buying another street sweeper. They're two hundred and seventy plus thousand dollars. We need a bucket truck. Those two hundred [0:27:09, 0:27:29]: plus thousand dollars. So E V is the administrative, we might have three or four depending on people that are are locally like meter readers or something like that. But most of our vehicles E V doesn't work in a lot of applications for us, but we'll have about three or four E V in terms of general [0:27:29, 0:27:30]: Maintenance it doesn't work. [0:27:31, 0:27:51]: No, sir. Because it's just the things that they're doing, stopping and going and things like that, because they're here and there, then the battery doesn't stay charged as long and things of that nature. And some of these vehicles, like when they're fixing a water leak, you can run a a pump off it while the vehicle is running. [0:27:51, 0:28:11]: So you need that if you were running a pump that's connected to a battery, it's gonna drain that battery faster if it's an EV vehicle. You know, certainly uh certain apparatuses are gonna be prohibitive. If someone is a supervisory position, going around stop general maintenance, checking out the different stops. [0:28:11, 0:28:31]: and what have you, you get up to 300 miles uh on the battery life now, I'm I'm I'm told. So how would that be any different than in uh doing using uh and using a regular gasoline powered vehicle besides the maintenance would be lower. My my interest is in this whole system here is lowering the cost. [0:28:31, 0:28:51]: And and and I know there's gonna be some natural resistance to changing to E V vehicles, but if we can get as many as we can to not replace transmissions, to not replace radiators, to not replace all of that j that maintenance, it's always running up our bill till you say a hundred and s hundred thousand dollars. [0:28:51, 0:29:04]: so to speak, then why wouldn't we do that? So any vehicle that we're able to use and to replace, and it's gonna take some natural training for the staff to be to grow accustomed to that. I certainly wouldn't [0:29:04, 0:29:21]: be emphasizing any heavy use vehicles, but certainly we have, like you said, the meter readers, you have uh low maintenance general activities that should be able to qualify for that. So in this calendar year coming up, how many uh electric vehicles do you have programmed? [0:29:21, 0:29:37]: See, w what we need this year, they're non-electric vehicles. Like I said, we need a we need another street sweeper. We need a bucket truck that we use on a frequent basis. And sewer, they might have a a vac truck. [0:29:37, 0:29:57]: We're gonna assess the Public Works Department and see which which operations we can phase the E V vehicles into. We don't have an issue with using'em, but we gotta have the resources and infrastructure available because right now the only things you have available are at City Hall for city staff and vehicles got over [0:29:57, 0:30:17]: plus thousand dollars worth of tools and parts on it. You don't want to just out here in the open at City Hall. So as we go about getting infrastructure and things like that, we're gonna meet with enterprise as well to identify vehicles that we can transition to EV. Because one of the things when and we had a conversation with staff about EV vehicles is [0:30:17, 0:30:37]: Who services them if we buy'em? Is it the same as a phone? You know, you used to could change the battery on a cell phone. Now it's just cheaper to buy a new phone. So when the battery in an E B vehicle becomes to the end of life, do we replace the battery or do we end up buying another vehicle? So they're they standing right behind you. They just said they have many. [0:30:37, 0:30:56]: That's a conversation we gotta we give them our operations, what do we use our vehicles for primarily, and then they can right-size it based on the usage of those vehicles saying, yeah, this would be a good fit for an EV application. This might not be. So we have no issues with having EV vehicles. [0:30:56, 0:31:16]: So the ones that we use in the city on a daily basis that can meet that standard, then we'll transition to EV. We don't have an issue with that. Well you uh my question was how many do you have programmed this year? So you're telling me the only vehicles that you're going to be purchasing are heavy use vehicles and that you don't have any general use vehicles that you're required. [0:31:16, 0:31:36]: So because we don't have the infrastructure. If I buy get four if I get four E B vehicles, I have nowhere to charge them. Answer the question. But do you have regular general maintenance vehicles that you're replacing? You have indicated that you only have heavy use vehicles. Do you have regular general use vehicles? [0:31:36, 0:31:56]: That you are replacing this year? Not for a because we don't have the infrastructure to charge those. You didn't answer my question. Are you replacing regular general use vehicles this year? We are replacing, we're proposing to replace a street sweeper. We're proposing to replace some sewer vehicles. [0:31:56, 0:32:00]: And we not at this time we don't have any [0:32:00, 0:32:20]: plans to implement in twenty twenty five any E V vehicles at this moment, but we will meet with them when we sit down and strategize. I say there's no infrastructure if I buy a vehicle, I don't have anywhere to charge it. You can charge it right there behind City. No, but we got vehicles out there that's gonna be charging overnight. Nobody's [0:32:20, 0:32:23]: And the police station right across the street. [0:32:24, 0:32:44]: So I I I I I see listen, I don't want to beat you up, but I hear excuses. And in the end, if the police department is right across the street and somebody goes and steals a hundred thousand dollars worth of equipment, we got a problem. We really do. And certainly I want to look at that from a standpoint of I asked a question three times. [0:32:44, 0:33:04]: Are you replacing any general maintenance vehicles? Are you getting any F-150s? Are you getting any uh you know Maverick trucks? Are you getting any general maintenance trucks that might be qualifying for this particular uh for this? If that is the case, I would like for you to move forward as my recommendation as one of [0:33:04, 0:33:24]: One of the council members to purchase some EV vehicles, just like the chief has recommended. He did not remember recommend replacing all of his vehicles, but he's at least dipping his toe into the water. We have had this same resistance three years in a row, about the same program. We're never gonna get started unless we have some. [0:33:24, 0:33:44]: Vehicles come and get laid out. And again, I heard you say, sir, implicitly, that you have a maintenance program where you work with us on these vehicles that will lower the cost. And then I heard some concern in the past years. Well, what if the battery goes out? Well, I'll tell you what, I guess you probably got [0:33:43, 0:33:46]: Probably got'em up under warranty for that period, right? [0:33:47, 0:34:07]: Yes, and to answer your question, the vehicles that were included in this original analysis were we're solely looking at the water and sewer department. So that would consist of F-250s and F-350s. Um to my knowledge, right now, they don't make electric F-250s or F-350s. Okay. But again, we're here to make recommendations for you. If you guys say, Hey, we got we want you to look at vehicles that are going to be electric vehicles to satisfy the [0:34:07, 0:34:27]: same use, that's can be done as well. Right. Um and that's what I'm trying to parse the words to say. I know they're not any F two fifties or F F three fifties, okay? But when there comes up a time where we have a F one fifty or a Maverick or we have a Sevilla silver route or whatever a regular used vehicle [0:34:27, 0:34:42]: So I want these vehicles to be in the mix between those choices, not just saying we're gonna go with a gasoline powered vehicle if you have one available. So if there is one available and the gas power, what is there, a cost difference between the two? Okay. [0:34:42, 0:34:54]: Yes, sir. And that's one of the the pieces. So to just back up a little bit, when you partner with enterprise, we're meeting three to four times a year with the leadership team of the city and going line by line through the fleet. [0:34:54, 0:35:14]: What does it do? What's its application? What vehicles are eligible? From there, if EV is on the table, then what we're doing is putting an analysis together and measuring it cent per mile. It's two ways to measure a vehicle, engine hours, and miles. So there is a much heavier cost burden for electric vehicles on the front end. And the challenge is that the resale market for it is not [0:35:14, 0:35:32]: as well known. It has taken a hard hit over the last year because it was flooded with a certain model of vehicle summer of last year. So what does that mean for the city? It means it's going to be a very expensive buy and it's not going to be as strong of a sell. So that comes with a cost. We present that to the CENI [0:35:32, 0:35:40]: And again, you choose to move forward with maybe one of them as opposed to looking at it versus a hybrid vehicle, which typically gives you the best balance of. [0:35:40, 0:35:50]: actual total cost impact. But we will look at that, we will give the analysis, we will give the pros, the cons, and we will present that to your city administration team for them to tell us what they'd like to move forward with. [0:35:51, 0:36:01]: I certainly would appreciate that and then being able to put that all on the table because there's even more i important factor than money. Exactly. Yes, sir. [0:36:01, 0:36:21]: It's the carbon footprint. It is what we're leaving for our children and the condition of the planet is a lot is is very important to me uh as well. So certainly I want to look at those aspects. I want to do that. And again, I thank you, Chief, for uh going ahead and moving ahead with that. I wanna see every [0:36:21, 0:36:30]: City department, go ahead and move forward with that. I know you say what that was only things that uh what the other departments weren't submitted to you? [0:36:30, 0:36:32]: Uh Lexa, when we did our original analysis [0:36:32, 0:36:52]: Uh I put together a model to show replacing 25 vehicles. Uh they wanted to take a slow approach into the program because it's new, which is understandable. So he's decided to start with just the water and the sewer department. And that's what I was saying. It consisted of F-250s and F-350s. So that we're not saying that we can't go back and look at electric vehicles. The original analysis I presented was 25, but the second one was [0:36:52, 0:37:12]: Only 10. So there's 15 more vehicles here that still are required, or have an opportunity to be replaced. And as Kat just said, we're going to continue meeting with you year over year and continue to do that same 10-year model that I showed you. So next year, just to give you an example, if we start with 10 vehicles this year, that means next year when we revisit this, instead of it being 10 vehicles [0:37:12, 0:37:27]: Again, our recommendation is still going to be 25 because you still have those old 15 vehicles that can be replaced. The goal here is to continue reducing your costs. And the only way we can reduce costs is by putting you on a sustainable plan that replaces these vehicles as they age. [0:37:27, 0:37:44]: Right, and certainly my last comment is gonna be I won't ask him for my own personal opinion. I wanna look at every department. No one should be off from the clerk's office to the the city hall fleet for the council. Everybody should be looked at. Thank you. [0:37:45, 0:37:47]: Mr Thomas, go ahead please, sir. Did you want to go first? [0:37:49, 0:38:03]: Okay. Uh first of all, let me just thank you for the presentation. And as you can see, uh this is a very important issue when we talk about uh vehicles for the city. [0:38:04, 0:38:11]: I I have a couple of questions and concerns, but mostly for uh Chief Chamber and um Mr. Aaron. [0:38:12, 0:38:13]: And and and [0:38:14, 0:38:15]: And [0:38:15, 0:38:22]: I I know Councilman Alexander was was pretty lengthy um with with that dialogue. [0:38:22, 0:38:25]: But I think it all goes back to [0:38:26, 0:38:28]: The finances. [0:38:29, 0:38:33]: What it in the best interest of the city economically. [0:38:34, 0:38:41]: And what is more efficient for us. So my questions are sort of centered around. [0:38:42, 0:38:46]: You know, we have a you're presenting a lease [0:38:46, 0:38:48]: Program for the city. [0:38:49, 0:39:09]: We have a capital improvement budget where vehicles are included. So from the chief and from Mr. Aaron, I'm trying to wrap my head around are we more involved in the lease program? [0:39:09, 0:39:10]: [2350.5, 2359.2]: or we are including because we are in the budget cycle. So are we including vehicles in the um [0:39:20, 0:39:29]: capital improvement plan. And I don't think we could do both. So I'm just trying to get a better understanding of of where we are. Are we [0:39:29, 0:39:37]: Emphasizing Lisa and and you did a great presentation. You spoke to the advantages and maybe even some of the disadvantages. [0:39:38, 0:39:41]: But for me as an elected official and trying to deal with the budget. [0:39:42, 0:39:44]: I just don't see both. [0:39:44, 0:39:52]: uh including vehicles uh in the capital improvement because uh mr. airman and I know typically [0:39:52, 0:39:58]: um in your public works budget you would include that and and and I understand [0:39:58, 0:40:00]: What you were saying about [0:40:00, 0:40:08]: You need specific type of vehicles for public work. And I understand that and I pretty much agree with that as well. [0:40:08, 0:40:11]: The chief and the police department [0:40:12, 0:40:14]: They use their vehicles differently. [0:40:14, 0:40:16]: And so but I'm trying to still look at [0:40:17, 0:40:18]: The lease program [0:40:19, 0:40:25]: and the capital improvement program. And so and I notice here it says that um [0:40:25, 0:40:28]: The police department has included [0:40:28, 0:40:30]: Replacement vehicles. [0:40:30, 0:40:32]: um in twenty twenty six twenty seven [0:40:33, 0:40:53]: and twenty-eight for a certain amount of of funds. But I didn't see anything in in public work. So if you can sort of just clarify that, so uh are we emphasizing more on on the leasing part of it or in the capital improvement? I don't think we can do both. [0:40:54, 0:41:10]: So in the budget, the police department and public works, we both budgeted for vehicles. Either we gon buy the vehicles outright or use that money that was allocated in the budget for the lease program. It will not be two different programs. We will if [0:41:10, 0:41:23]: council agrees to the lease agreement with enterprise, then the money that we allocated in our budgets will go towards the lease. If council does not approve it, then the money we allocated in the budget, we just buy cars outright. [0:41:24, 0:41:34]: So uh in public works is it based on uh needs or you would just replace every three years? [0:41:34, 0:41:54]: It it is based on needs. We've got vehicles. Some vehicles are 18 years old, 15 plus years old. We got a vehicle right now that we really need. It's fifteen plus years old and it needs a transmission. So you don't put a transmission on a 15-year-old vehicle. That's one of the ones we schedule for replacement. But with the fleet option, [0:41:54, 0:41:58]: And public words vehicles are different than any other city vehicle because [0:41:58, 0:42:18]: their use. They're starting, they're stopping, they're starting, they're stopping. It's not like you just drive and you're going for extended rides. It's short trips here and there, in and out, in and out and things like that. And then the lease program allows you to turn those vehicles over a lot f more frequently than you would what we're currently [0:42:18, 0:42:38]: doing right now. We're just going to the end of life on those vehicles. So in the public works budget, um there is a line for the purchase of vehicles. Yes, that's in each division of public works. Stormwater has a line item for vehicles when they purchase water dug, sewer dug, [0:42:38, 0:42:44]: General maintenance does. Yes. So uh Chief Chairman, um [0:42:49, 0:42:58]: A year or so ago uh with the purchase of uh police cars, you indicated that um the seats [0:43:00, 0:43:02]: You you changed out the six. [0:43:02, 0:43:11]: So in in the purchase of any new hip vehicles, is that still the plan to change out the seats? [0:43:11, 0:43:28]: Well, the seats are not changed out. The back seats have to be removed to put in a prisoner transport seat. And what we were able to do is uh w we actually took those seats to the salvage yard and were able to actually receive funds for the scrap metal for those seats that weren't being used, but they have to be removed from the patrol vehicles. They're not removed from the [0:43:28, 0:43:36]: uh administrative vehicles, those remain within the administrative vehicle. Uh but one of the things if I could, Councilman Thomas, is a point of clarification to what you had asked. [0:43:37, 0:43:46]: In um the SPLOSS that was recently approved, I believe that we have two and a half million dollars allocated to the purchase of new vehicles uh for the city. [0:43:47, 0:44:04]: Um the cost of replacing the entire police fleet over the next five years is four point four million dollars. So there's going to be an expense. The thing of it is, is I'm sure there'll be opportunities to figure out how do we make up the difference, but at least with this program we're not paying those funds up front up front. [0:44:04, 0:44:24]: Furthermore, if you look at uh the presentation, we're saving a hundred and fifty thousand dollars over the the course of five years by going with the lease option if we go that route, as opposed to purchasing those vehicles uh outright based upon how things are projected now. And then with the projection for public works based on what they were looking at, I believe it's a twenty-nine thousand dollar savings. [0:44:25, 0:44:45]: So as it relates to this program, it appears to be a net positive. And Mr. Malizi has experience and I'd hate to put him on the spot here, but he's worked with a number of cities who have actually utilized enterprise and um uh could maybe speak to you more intelligently than I can regarding the financial aspect and perhaps the uh advantage of [0:44:44, 0:44:47]: moving forward with a program such as this. [0:44:47, 0:44:59]: 'Cause see, uh a again, I reiterate and and I appreciate uh the stats that you gave me. Uh from my perspective a as an elected official and have to make a vote on the budget. [0:45:00, 0:45:20]: I do want to understand what is most effective for the city, lease, purchase, or combination thereof. And I do understand the need in public works and the use of the vehicles in public work versus the police department. [0:45:20, 0:45:40]: And I and I think this is what, you know, we're sort of wrestling with, and I don't want to spend a lot of time um, you know, because I know other council members have some concern, but I do appreciate the answers. And and again, uh I got the presentation and I and I got the advantage and I understand the presentation, even when you came before. But I wanted Mr. [0:45:39, 0:45:44]: the air and the and the chief, I was trying to get a better perspective. [0:45:44, 0:46:04]: or where we were as a city as far as leasing or we including uh in our capital improvement. And so the information about the splotch, I think that was very um beneficial to know as well, because it's all about the finance and how efficient we can sort of operate in [0:46:04, 0:46:24]: In the purchasing of vehicles. So I thank you, and I probably have another question. So I'm not gonna hog the time right now, but I do reserve the right to come back and ask some additional questions. Okay, I know no uh my my friend next door here has a few questions, so I don't want to take up all the time. I give it back, Mayor. Mayor Fort Time Well, good evening, everyone. [0:46:24, 0:46:44]: Everyone again and thank you guys again for the presentation. And uh Chief, you just echoed it I and I do wanna kinda hear from Mr. Frank as well. I treasurer to kinda um hear his analysis later on on uh what his experience is with this program since he has the experiences with it in other municipalities. Um I do know in the city though we [0:46:44, 0:47:04]: Have a there's some way we can't ever get around specialized vehicles. And so we'll always, either in public works or even the police department, have specialized vehicles, and they'll have to be modified, they'll have to be outfitted, they'll have to be configured to a point to where um resale. [0:47:04, 0:47:06]: [2826.6, 2846.6]: deconfigured or or misconfigured to go back to the general public. And so has there been any thought into that price of what it takes to one modify it on our end and then what is the cost to remodify it to sell it again on the other end and what does that cost incur to the city? That's my first [0:47:26, 0:47:32]: one. My second one, and I don't I don't know if you want me to give them all to you at one time. Um I would [0:47:33, 0:47:49]: I see the uh the report on what we expect to save. And I guess my my question is, are are we is the goal to go to a hundred percent lease in so many years? And if so, what is that target year to where we want to go to a hundred percent? [0:47:50, 0:47:50]: Leasing. [0:47:51, 0:48:10]: And how do we exponentially mark or see the savings? And if we find out, say three years, five years, two years down the line, that we're not actually seeing the savings that we expected to see, are we locked in? Or is there a is there an escape? [0:48:11, 0:48:12]: Clause. [0:48:12, 0:48:17]: in this process if we're actually spending more than w we what we expected to be spending. [0:48:18, 0:48:38]: Okay. I'll take both of those. Um so the first question on the upfitting, which is what we call the customization of the vehicle, that is absolutely taken into account. Not only do we sit down with each division, figure out exactly what they need, we also go get some competitive bids for those, bring that back to the team for them to decide based off of the cost of the vehicle, the value of the product. [0:48:38, 0:48:55]: and the time it's gonna take for them to be upfit, they pick the winner. We capitalize that into your lease so you don't have that upfront cost. We also are the experts on resale. So we touched on enterprise mobility. We have over two million vehicles in North America. We sell a little over 1.3 million a year. [0:48:55, 0:49:15]: Um and as it relates to municipalities, that's well over 20,000 vehicles per year across the United States, whether that's a police car, a detective car, a bucket truck, a crane truck. We have all of the details on those vehicles. We watch the resale market just like a financial advisor watches a stock market. So we do have that experience, we do have that data, and 100% [0:49:15, 0:49:35]: That drives the recommendation. Just like Tajay mentioned, we wouldn't recommend you to replace a$150,000 bucket truck in five years. That's going to be a seven, eight, nine, 10-year hold based off of its utilization. But that's part of that ongoing program management where we'll come out to the city and say, hey, based off of the vehicles that you guys are [0:49:35, 0:49:46]: have on your docket for replacement and based off of these different factors, here's the impact financially and operationally of making this choice. And so yes, we take that into consideration. That is a large part of that depreciation bucket. [0:49:47, 0:49:56]: Um but we are experts in both sides of that, getting it decommissioned because with the police vehicles they do go through a very rigorous and specific s uh chain of command. [0:49:56, 0:50:14]: Um, as far as getting it disposed, and we have experts in that field that that help through that process. And then the resale channels that we have, hand selling them back allows for a higher return. And again, we go to that specialized buyer who we know is gonna give us a higher return for the city's vehicles, whether that's the ones you operate today or the ones that we do lease. [0:50:14, 0:50:34]: And then the second answer is absolutely. So every single year you're gonna have someone like myself coming out to the city and we're gonna show you line by line: here was the plan, here's how it played out. Did we do better or worse? Why? And what are the next steps to make sure we stay on pace? Enterprise is an at-will company, you can fire us at any time. That is made because [0:50:34, 0:50:44]: because we wanna come out and show you our value year over year. Um and that's why municipalities had continued to partner with we have over a ninety eight percent retention rate. [0:50:45, 0:51:00]: Um and a lot of the times it when we see any attrition, it's because of leadership change and just not having the opportunity to stand here and answer everybody's questions, um, you know, to retain the partnership. But yes, there's absolutely um that opportunity and it's our job to come out and show you our value every year. [0:51:03, 0:51:05]: Can you speak to the first question I had? [0:51:07, 0:51:23]: Maybe you need to repeat it. Do I need to repeat? Yeah, I just I just wanna hear your expertise from your experiences from pre previous municipalities on how this would work and how what is the expectation for savings for us as a as a city. [0:51:23, 0:51:32]: So there are many factors that uh ought to be analysed which I may not get into, but uh the biggest one would be [0:51:32, 0:51:52]: uh the maintenance cost, as you know, when the cars are aging, the running cost, the maintenance cost they go up. But here you are talking about standard vehicles, then you are talking about e vehicles. I have not dealt with e vehicles, so I cannot just [0:51:52, 0:52:12]: to say uh there will be savings without analyzing and getting into all the factors uh actually getting down with the um both sides. So I can't conclusively, but on the maintenance, yes, there is maintenance savings, but only others I need to get into [0:52:12, 0:52:15]: I can't just conclude. [0:52:17, 0:52:28]: You good. All right. Ms. Gandhi, you have some questions? I do. So Mr. Frank, real quick, are you saying that you haven't had any experience with the leasing of vehicles in other municipalities? [0:52:28, 0:52:32]: Yes, I did. But uh that was the before the introduction of E Vs. [0:52:33, 0:52:52]: before E V's introduction. Okay. And okay. Thank you for that question. Second question is what cities around here are doing the leasing program? W any cities nearby, any other municipalities local or that are dealing doing this right now? [0:52:52, 0:53:02]: Yep. Uh you ready? I'm gonna name them off. Jonesboro, Union City, Fairburn, South Fulton, um, City of Roswell. How how far north do you want me to go? [0:53:02, 0:53:04]: Atlanta metro areas. [0:53:04, 0:53:24]: All right, um you can go back to the last slide. Covington Canton, Livonia. Uh we go our our territory is pretty much to the border of Alabama, about forty-five minutes north of Georgia, and we go all the way up to the Tennessee line. So um in the metro area, those just kind of feel off the top of my head, but we go all the way down to [0:53:24, 0:53:30]: pretty much South Georgia, um down into Sumter County, uh America's down that way. So [0:53:30, 0:53:35]: Or around the state of Georgia. Okay. Thank you. And in regards to that [0:53:35, 0:53:37]: Are there any [0:53:38, 0:53:58]: Uh uh and I came in late and I remember we you guys came in before and did a presentation. So thank you for that. But uh I guess my question is the data that you bring us in regards to whether or not we choose to lease the vehicles, it will will we uh uh what's the process? Would you lease the vehicles first and then then come back and tell us whether or not we [0:53:58, 0:54:03]: [3244.3, 3250.0]: depreciating value the first year, ten years, within five years, the ha half of the value of it's depreciated. [0:54:10, 0:54:30]: And then you have certain cars that only maybe depreciate between 35 to 40 percent in five within those five year spans a little bit holds off a little bit better. Um, EVs do not depreciate as fast. However, they cost double, right? So instead of a utility. [0:54:30, 0:54:39]: Truck sweeper costing us$400,000, it will cost us$800,000. But we wouldn't have to pay for fuel, right? We would have to [0:54:39, 0:54:51]: the manpower on that could be a problem. It won't be um it's not for really large communities, but some municipalities on the West Coast specifically are going with those, um, but not many yet. [0:54:52, 0:54:52]: Right. [0:54:52, 0:55:10]: So there's a couple of studies and things that we would need to do to make those decisions. Are those the things that you would bring to our attention before we decide whether or not we're gonna either lease it or purchase it? Is that what we're gonna do? Because would you still be working with us? I know enterprise sells cars and vehicles. So you would either [0:55:11, 0:55:17]: sell it or lease it to us, correct? Based off of what you think or is it just straight a lease program? [0:55:18, 0:55:38]: So it is a lease program, but you just pay 100% of the vehicle up front. So on day one, if the vehicle costs we're gonna pretend two hundred thousand dollars, then you would pay one hundred and ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine dollars and put it on a program that you would owe one dollar on. The management fee that Enterprise has is through source wall, which would be about twenty-five dollars per month on that unit. [0:55:38, 0:55:40]: That will be your lease payment. [0:55:40, 0:56:00]: So we can do that. But to to proactively answer your question, yes, ma'am, absolutely. And those are all the factors that we'll take into consideration when we bring the financial impact and numbers to your team. So it'll say, uh, you know, here's an electric ve vehicle, here's the standard vehicles, and here's all the costs associated with buying it, its resale, the maintenance, the fuel, et cetera. [0:56:00, 0:56:03]: Um and present that to your team will then take the vehicle that you select. [0:56:03, 0:56:16]: We'll plug it into your budget model and we'll say, hey, you know, go line by line by each vehicle, what vehicles are getting replaced with, what's the financial impact, total impact, fuel maintenance depreciation on that vehicle over the next year and over its term. [0:56:17, 0:56:27]: and provide that to the city so that you'll have a full budget analysis for a you know five to six year out um as opposed to just you know the one vehicle today. [0:56:27, 0:56:30]: But we would pay it off pay it off all up front, correct? [0:56:31, 0:56:42]: And then and then when it's time to sell it, we get refunded back money or or we would sell the vehicle on your behalf, yes ma'am, and we would give you back the proceeds from that. [0:56:42, 0:56:44]: Okay. And [0:56:46, 0:57:06]: In regards to fitting the vehicles for police vehicles, if we keep vehicles, I think right now, currently, you always hear the challenges of vehicles being old. I remember Henry County discussing that at one point. I remember Clayton County discussing it, where vehicles get so old and they're having to maintain them, but the fitting of [0:57:06, 0:57:18]: those vehicles are very expensive. It's like buying a car almost, right? Yeah. Sometimes. So we have a vehicle already fixed up. I guess we would be leasing it or selling it to [0:57:19, 0:57:39]: a company or a a municipality that wants a older police car and it would already be fitted for them. And then we would have to turn back around and repay for we'll pay full price and then we pay for the fitting of a new vehicle. Is that what we're having to do? Nope. Chief says nope. So no that that that equipment um can be recycled [0:57:39, 0:57:59]: And that's what we do is as long as the light systems and everything we're able to repurpose those and put them on the vehicle, which is a cost savings. Something else to Mayor Pro Tem's point that you had mentioned, and something that I don't think was mentioned in this presentation, but in our conversations, um, if we decide that we don't want to go the leasing option route, just like they sell the vehicles, we can buy out that vehicle. [0:57:59, 0:58:07]: Vehicle, just like at the end of a lease, convert it to city use, and those vehicles belong to the city. I hope I didn't misstate that. Thank you. All right. That makes sense. [0:58:08, 0:58:13]: All right, I don't think I have any other questions in r um that regard. Okay. Miss Barber, do you have any questions at all? [0:58:15, 0:58:35]: My questions have all been answered by questions my councilmates have addressed. But I will just ask, um, so the cities that you all have worked with, I'm looking at just the population size and perhaps maybe whatever their uh fleets are. [0:58:35, 0:58:46]: Um, what is the largest city that you worked with? Roswell. Roswell. And what's their population? Know that by chance. I don't know the population. They have a fleet side of five fifty. [0:58:47, 0:58:53]: They have five hundred and fifty vehicles? Okay. Okay. That's a lot. That was one question. Um [0:58:53, 0:58:58]: The source well contract, you mentioned that. Um that won't come until [0:58:59, 0:59:02]: After you've done your final analysis. [0:59:03, 0:59:17]: Um will that come to us or is this once we approve this it will automatically um enroll us into this? We will automatically be piggybacking offices. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Thank you. [0:59:17, 0:59:19]: You mentioned it. [0:59:20, 0:59:22]: Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [0:59:22, 0:59:24]: Ms. Barber, go ahead, please, finish out. [0:59:29, 0:59:30]: Yeah. [0:59:30, 0:59:34]: Ms m hold on now. Ms. Barber, please go ahead and continue. [0:59:37, 0:59:40]: I want to finish my points without being interrupted. [0:59:41, 0:59:42]: Stop saying you finished. [0:59:43, 0:59:46]: M Alexander, calm down please. Miss Barber, go ahead and please finish. [0:59:51, 0:59:58]: I believe it was Mayor Pro Tem who asked about the termination clause in this contract. Um [1:00:00, 1:00:02]: But we don't know what it is. [1:00:03, 1:00:06]: We don't have a copy of the contract to see it. [1:00:07, 1:00:07]: Okay. [1:00:09, 1:00:29]: Yeah, so to terminate us, um, we're like Kat said earlier, we're here to win your business over year over year. We have to come out, provide an analysis to you, show you the same model, show you what projections we're looking to help you save. At any time, if you guys say, Okay, that's it, we didn't find any savings, we didn't find value in the program, we're we don't plan to lease any more vehicles through [1:00:29, 1:00:49]: Enterprise. That's it. So um there's nothing that says you have to sign anything to walk away. You just simply do not replace any more vehicles through enterprise. And the answer to your question would be whatever that lease term is that's remaining, you'd just finish out the rest of that lease, or you would say, hey, we'd like to terminate it and we would see what is the remaining uh outstanding balance on that vehicle. [1:00:49, 1:00:51]: and we will present that to the city. [1:00:51, 1:01:02]: Okay. So it would be a per term, per unit uh basis, but the overall fleet program you would just discontinue by not choosing not to move forward with any of the recommendations that we have. [1:01:02, 1:01:04]: Okay, so this figure right here. [1:01:05, 1:01:08]: Is this just what is listed in our budget book? [1:01:09, 1:01:10]: Line item. Mr. Gardner. [1:01:14, 1:01:17]: What are you holding up? [1:01:18, 1:01:22]: This just says FY twenty twenty five cost public works. [1:01:25, 1:01:29]: That's just what you're proposing in the line items in the budget? [1:01:30, 1:01:32]: I didn't see that. [1:01:34, 1:01:35]: Is that for vehicles? [1:01:35, 1:01:40]: That would be the first that would be the first year cost for public works. [1:01:42, 1:01:51]: It's eighty thousand five hundred seventy six for public works. [1:01:52, 1:01:59]: requested for replacement. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you for that. And that's all I have, Mayor. Thank you. All right. Ms. Alexander. [1:02:00, 1:02:06]: Yeah, thank you uh for the that. Well I have clarification and let me say this again. Listen. [1:02:06, 1:02:26]: I understand heavy use vehicles and I said that five times during my presentation that heavy use vehicles are the exception. I'm talking about general use vehicles. Public works has general use vehicles. The police department has general use vehicles as sir as the council does as well. [1:02:26, 1:02:31]: So Miss Holliday, so what the vehicles that we use as the council [1:02:31, 1:02:33]: What uh what is the replacement on those? [1:02:36, 1:02:47]: The vehicles that the council uses as far as we use are the general vehicles in the fleet that we're using when they're replaced, do you decide who who decides to replace those? [1:02:50, 1:03:10]: purchased um by different departments and came in at different times. We had some that were placed by I mean that were purchased by community development. Some were put uh purchased by the previous city manager. No you new ve vehicles have been purchased since 20 and 18 I wanna say. [1:03:09, 1:03:29]: Um but my office no longer manages fleet. That's done under your um executive assistant to mayor council and also um public works does the fleet maintenance on those vehicles. So I the clerk's office is not over that anymore, uh councilman. [1:03:29, 1:03:39]: Alexander. Okay, Miss Ross. Are you with the the vehicles are twenty eighteen? Do we have any of them? [1:03:39, 1:03:47]: Is that who does that calculation? Are you involved in making the decision to replace them? Or who is? [1:03:48, 1:03:51]: Well wait, could you wait till you get the mic, please, sir? Oh. [1:03:53, 1:04:10]: Okay, excuse me. Those vehicles was purchased uh through the Miller administration. So those vehicles have not been replaced. They're probably averaging about thirty, forty thousand miles on'em that you all have put on them, you know, saying through administration. But again, we purchased those vehicles. [1:04:10, 1:04:14]: So in order to replace him, we'll have to sit there and surplus them. [1:04:14, 1:04:16]: And we probably wouldn't get a good value for'em. [1:04:18, 1:04:34]: Right, but uh again they're very old vehicles that we purchased them in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen or twenty. Correct. There were two that were purchased during that time, but there were four that was purchased in twenty eighteen December twenty eighteen. Correct. [1:04:35, 1:04:37]: I apologize, Mayor. So [1:04:37, 1:04:44]: Literally all of your vehicles are under forty thousand miles. Yes. So I'll give you an example. I have a Ford Explorer. Mm-hmm. [1:04:45, 1:04:50]: 2011, the first year they came up with the design, I have over 250,000 miles on my car. [1:04:51, 1:04:54]: So to kinda compare, you guys don't drive them often. [1:04:55, 1:04:56]: They sit more than they drive. [1:04:57, 1:05:04]: So you don't have a lot of mileage on them or a lot of wear and tear. So they still have some usage to you from a cost saving standpoint. [1:05:04, 1:05:13]: But when we do replace them, um it's the hope that yes, we will be able to replace them with either some type of hydroid or fully electric vehicle. [1:05:13, 1:05:14]: Um [1:05:15, 1:05:15]: To [1:05:16, 1:05:36]: Give you all an update as it relates to the infrastructure. So we're in the process now of taking two approaches towards infrastructure for electric vehicles. We're submitting for an open grant to get funding. Um, those we're looking at putting them near the Merrmanners in the park, and then we're working with a [1:05:36, 1:05:38]: The firm at no cost to us. [1:05:38, 1:05:48]: um to provide the electric infrastructure at the police department and public works. So those are two kind of areas that we're really working on as part of the whole innovation thing that we got moving forward. [1:05:49, 1:05:56]: Um, is to look at how do we get those charging stations up. Cause the ones we have here now, those are not your fast chargers. [1:05:57, 1:06:03]: So for our vehicles when we look at when they tie into'em, they've gotta be able to get that hour charge, be fully ready to go. [1:06:04, 1:06:11]: Um especially with the police department. So we're investigating that now and looking at a couple of options for funding so it doesn't have to come fully out of our pocket. [1:06:12, 1:06:32]: Okay, so the vehicles are o of age, but they mostly have mileage on them. So when they do get to that point of being replaced, then they they will go into this uh particular program where we will look at how to replace them and what then re what to uh replace them with at this point. So the question [1:06:32, 1:06:35]: The question now remains, Mr. Gardner, the staff recommendation is to do what? [1:06:38, 1:06:58]: Uh the staff recommendation is to move forward with the the lease option. And as far as the administrative vehicles, they looked at all of the vehicles, but based on mileage, it was the police and department and public works that they would start off with first. And then they'd look at the other vehicles for the city, like events, has be a couple of vehicles, community. [1:06:58, 1:07:07]: Development, administration, as city manager says, the administration, they might n not have that many miles on it, but they uh age-wise, [1:07:07, 1:07:21]: they'll get old, but they're just sitting there the majority of the time self when you go into conferences and things like that. So they'll be a part of the city's lease program, but it's just based on age and usage and mileage, how you cycle those in and out. [1:07:21, 1:07:41]: And again, as I've said earlier, the original analysis that we put together has those vehicles included in it. So remember there was two analysis that I did for the public works. Their very first analysis shows replacing 25 vehicles the first year. However, when we presented that to the city, you guys want to take a slower approach into the program, which is very common. So that's why we started with 10 vehicles and we're focusing on the water and the sewer department. [1:07:41, 1:07:59]: The very first analysis though that includes twenty-five vehicles has the entire uh cities fleet in it and it does include those admin vehicles that you're asking about. Okay. Summarize the savings of the program again for the public who might have tuned in, like what's the total savings of the program is they are in there? Okay, okay. [1:08:01, 1:08:21]: So over the course doing this model here, what you're gonna see is a savings of$29,000 over the course of 10 years. However, like I said before, every year we're gonna redo this analysis. So this year, what you're looking at is a projected plan. If we stuck with this plan here, it would be a$29,000 savings over the course of 10 years. But in 2025, we're gonna come back. [1:08:21, 1:08:41]: With the same model, and we're gonna update this. So next year when we come back with this model, it'll show you replacing 10 vehicles. But for 2026, instead of it saying 10 vehicles again, we're going to recommend those additional 15 vehicles that didn't get replaced in 25 to be replaced in 26 because they are ultimately driving down your costs. Is that answering your question? [1:08:41, 1:08:57]: So so basically what you're saying is their savings analysis is based solely on this point, on the vehicles that you're you're you're uh actually going to be leasing to us and as we add more vehicles on it, then that number should grow. Yes, sir. Okay. [1:08:57, 1:09:17]: All right, Mr. Thomas. Uh and may I I will make this real brief. Uh again, where I am is lease versus purchase, gas versus electric, and everything in between. That's just where I am. So I'm going to ask, and I've asked this question a few years. [1:09:17, 1:09:24]: Um I'd just like to know from our treasurer the gas [1:09:25, 1:09:45]: usage, especially in the police department. And I think for me, that helps me to determine gas versus electric. And I think um I heard one of my question was the advantage and and I think I heard the answer over the years the saving is in the maintenance. And and I [1:09:45, 1:09:51]: I see that and I understand that. But I but I've asked this question uh for a couple of years. [1:09:52, 1:09:54]: I'd like to know [1:09:55, 1:09:56]: How much a city? [1:09:57, 1:10:03]: is spending in gas. I know in the police department we have take on vehicles. [1:10:03, 1:10:16]: So for me to make decisions down the road, because I'm all about the future, are we going to switch over to uh electric? Are we going to have a combination of electric and lease? But I like to know. [1:10:16, 1:10:18]: The cost of gas. [1:10:19, 1:10:20]: Um [1:10:20, 1:10:21]: Not tonight. [1:10:22, 1:10:35]: But I I would like to just know that figure. May I'm a year back and I and I would just um move that um we spent a lot of time on this subject and I I don't know what we're going through. There's a couple other people still wanna speak so if you don't mind. So [1:10:35, 1:10:45]: Ms. Gantt I'm gonna make a motion. Well, Ms. Gantt need to speak something. I have one other comment in in regards to this. Um uh [1:10:45, 1:10:48]: I know had been mentioned about public works having [1:10:48, 1:10:57]: Um, the EV vehicles. I'm not against it. I just think we need to research and study a little bit more. But what I am against is putting [1:10:58, 1:11:01]: Біг бігал с атлір он. [1:11:01, 1:11:21]: the back parking lot here. I don't think that is a a very wise decision. I think that we need to make sure we have the infrastructure in place to be able to charge those particular vehicles. And that would need to be done at the public works facility. Just like they stated that they would be working on looking for [1:11:21, 1:11:35]: E B capabilities, plugins at the police station, as well as over at the public works facility. Once those are implemented, I think we can really look into [1:11:35, 1:11:51]: the EVV look into and and get a great study on that. I I'm no, I'm I'm just talking in general because we need to be mindful as well of the cost, even though it at some point [1:11:52, 1:11:57]: It may balance out. The upfront cost is double what we would normally pay. [1:11:57, 1:12:02]: And s depending on what the job is, based off of the research I've done. [1:12:02, 1:12:12]: it may be something that requires a larger horsepower and we need to look at the reviews on it. A lot of times I mean the the regular residential vehicles [1:12:13, 1:12:20]: are you know there have been more studies on it. Now you're talking about E B commercial vehicles. And I'm not against it. [1:12:20, 1:12:34]: The pros are exactly what you said, Councilman Alexander, you know, less pollution, no gas, saving money on more is l it lasts a little bit longer, um, you know, less maintenance. Um [1:12:35, 1:12:44]: Higher a less depreciation and value percentage over the course of years. But there are also the cons, the price. [1:12:44, 1:12:45]: Um [1:12:45, 1:13:05]: The location of having to get it charged, when does the charge go? The ability to get them fixed when they do go down, the who can who can fix them, right? And so those are things that we are gonna have to take into consideration and we need to really dig into. It sounds good. I'm not against it, not any means, but I want to make [1:13:05, 1:13:06]: Make sure. [1:13:07, 1:13:27]: Wherever we have vehicles, they also have charging capabilities at the location of those vehicles. They need to be secured. That's all. So one of the things we don't mind is Mayor and Council allocated four million dollars in the Splash 6 for a new maintenance shop. And EV charging station and infrastructure is going to be a part. [1:13:27, 1:13:36]: Of that project. But one of the things we like about the lease program, as you're well aware, since I've been here eight years, we bought two street sweepers. [1:13:36, 1:13:56]: And those they have a lot of moving parts. They're constantly in and out of the shop. Now, with a lease program, every three years we can get a new street sweeper versus every eight to ten years. And like I say, streets are not getting swept as frequently as they should because there's always some kind of mechanical issue we're taking to the shop. But with a newer one and you're [1:13:56, 1:14:08]: turn them over more frequently, then you don't have the downtime that we're experiencing. And like I said, buying a street sweeper is 200 plus. Now it's probably about 300,000. So that's one of the benefits of it. [1:14:08, 1:14:10]: It's eight hundred if it's electric. [1:14:11, 1:14:16]: And just one more time, Commissioner Alexander, uh he did ask about the savings on [1:14:18, 1:14:25]: Go ahead, sir. Go ahead, please. You asked about the savings on the police department and kind of like as I've been saying this whole presentation. [1:14:25, 1:14:37]: Regardless of what happens, the police department, when they need vehicles, we have to get vehicles to keep the citizens of Stockbridge safe. Um the eight vehicles that we looked at conc um system of four Ford Expeditions and four uh four Maquees, right? [1:14:38, 1:14:58]: Ford Expedition is$60,000, the Maquees are$45,000. Let's just say an average of$40,000. If you guys went out next year to purchase these four four um eight vehicles at$40,000 a piece, that's$320,000 versus leasing the eight vehicles and spending next year$87,000. [1:14:58, 1:15:16]: At the end like I said, at the end of the day, you guys have to make a decision. It's just going to be what you which option do you want to take? Do you still want to go down the same route of just dishing out cash to continue replacing vehicles? Or do you take a more proactive replacement option and spread out your payments and take advantage of the equity lease of recouping on your the equity in the vehicle itself once you sell it? [1:15:17, 1:15:20]: Thank you for that. Mr. Thomas, do you have a motion you want to make? [1:15:23, 1:15:43]: Okay. Council, I need a motion. One way or the other. What which way we want to go? Uh let me say this again. I am not for purchasing any heavy use vehicles, no street sweepers or any vehicles like that, uh heavy use vehicles in the E V format because we have already agreed an hour ago that [1:15:43, 1:16:00]: that was not the thing to do because the technology was not there yet. So my position has always been to is the low maintenance vehicles that we would look to look to improve. But the staff recommendation is for approval. Is that correct, Mr. Aaron? [1:16:01, 1:16:08]: Or the lease program. Yes, sir, it is. Mr G Mr Mr Gardner, you have any comments to add? [1:16:16, 1:16:26]: Thank you, sir. Just one. Um, I remembered I did speak with the city manager in Fairburn and he gave me two thumbs up for the program at what this is doing for the city of Fairburn. [1:16:27, 1:16:38]: So you so you you're on board with the significant savings? Yes, sir. I think anytime you can lease and you know, the the biggest issues we've had and pretty much everywhere I've worked has been [1:16:39, 1:16:41]: life cycle management of vehicles. [1:16:42, 1:16:43]: Right. Um [1:16:44, 1:17:04]: And that's been the key because by the time you have where that vehicle has gone beyond certain mileage, you've lost value in it. So when you put it on gov deals, you're getting pennies for it. Versus at a certain point they transition it, you get a higher value for it. That money comes back to us once it's sold, or we could actually [1:17:04, 1:17:13]: we re hopefully they'll give us the option to just go ahead and cycle. That way you're not worried about paying for and it reduces your overall cost over time. So [1:17:14, 1:17:15]: This is a win win. [1:17:15, 1:17:24]: Um, I think after the last meeting you guys asked me to talk to someone that had done it. So I did speak with the city manager in Fairburn and he gave me two thumbs up as to what they were doing with this program. [1:17:25, 1:17:45]: But I do want to follow up on Councilman Thomas' question. He didn't get an answer. How much are we spending in fuel every year? Does someone know? I can't tell you it because we'd have to add it up across all of the departments. And I'd say in the motion that I'm going to put in the motion to approve the lease program as [1:17:45, 1:18:05]: recommended by staff for the additional savings. But as a part of that, I would like the answer to that question, which is how much are we spending in total fuels citywide and in each department so we can actually do some of the research that Ms. Gantt has mentioned to see whether or not, you know, what the actual savings would be because we need [1:18:04, 1:18:23]: to know that number of how much money we spent. That's a that's a good question, which is what is this the savings gonna be not just in maintenance, but in the fuel versus the electric. So they actually have uh some numbers here for us. For public works, it's about eighty-five thousand [1:18:24, 1:18:35]: in fuel and so you gotta think that's that's per year, I'm assuming that's that's per year. So all of their vehicles, heavy truck, and that includes that includes diesel, I assume, tractors and so forth, is in that month. [1:18:36, 1:18:37]: Yes. [1:18:37, 1:18:45]: And you uh r realize too, they are a everyday moving department. They don't sit and sometimes when they do sit, they have to run. [1:18:45, 1:19:03]: Um, I think Chief said the police department is right around 220,000. Oh, yeah. And that's that's pretty much about average. But also realize that cost is associated with what the current price of gasoline is per gallon. So as gas goes down, obviously that footprint goes down. [1:19:03, 1:19:14]: Um so you budget high with the hopes that hey when gas when if gas goes down that's a cost savings for us, um versus you know being on the other side and budgeting low. But [1:19:14, 1:19:19]: Um and remember that his cars are constantly moving as well and they're running every day. [1:19:19, 1:19:39]: So between those two departments we're looking at about three hundred thousand. Yeah. But it does not include that's still not a total total number. So if you would get the total number of all of the expenses that we're spending on fuel yearly, maybe for the past couple of years, and we can see the fluctuations in when gas prices is up and when the gas prices are down. [1:19:39, 1:19:47]: Yep. And and always remember too that your police department just got started. So if you're looking back five, ten years, they weren't here. [1:19:48, 1:19:51]: So their their cost is obviously by the number of [1:19:52, 1:20:04]: personnel and fleet that they added to the to the program. That's all r you you see that number going. But yeah, we could we could go through and pull those numbers for you.'Cause at some point I would tell you that I would like to be able to get to a point where we [1:20:05, 1:20:05]: Well [1:20:06, 1:20:08]: Have a place that's our own. [1:20:09, 1:20:16]: Um, that we provide fuel for our vehicles and that way we can buy better with the market versus having to deal with the gas stations that we currently deal with. [1:20:16, 1:20:36]: Okay, my motion is to go with the fleet maintenance program and to gain the savings that the city has administered with the caveats that we're gonna get the information uh on the gas usage for the city in the past couple of years. And this is owned and this is to be focused primarily on light duty vehicles, no heavy use. [1:20:36, 1:20:42]: vehicles uh at all. The focus is to be on general uh uh uh vehicle use. [1:20:43, 1:20:45]: Is there a second to that motion? [1:20:46, 1:20:49]: Uh Mr Berry second that motion. All in favor, please indicate. [1:20:51, 1:20:55]: All favor? One, two, three, opposed? [1:20:58, 1:20:59]: What what's your clarification, sir? [1:21:01, 1:21:03]: You uh I think your mic's not on, sir. [1:21:03, 1:21:10]: I know Councilman Alexander put that in his motion about vehicles that may be needed uh in public works. [1:21:12, 1:21:15]: I would appreciate though in that motion [1:21:16, 1:21:17]: Exactly. [1:21:17, 1:21:21]: 'Cause uh'cause again my issue was [1:21:21, 1:21:22]: Um [1:21:22, 1:21:24]: The capital improvement. [1:21:25, 1:21:26]: Playing. [1:21:26, 1:21:28]: And the least plan. [1:21:28, 1:21:30]: And I'm not in favor of both. [1:21:30, 1:21:33]: So I'd just like to be very clear. [1:21:33, 1:21:35]: If it if it is it the least [1:21:36, 1:21:40]: program only. You think leads only? Or is or is it a combination there uh [1:21:41, 1:21:55]: I'm thinking that it's the lease and that we're going in that direction because that's where the savings is, is that we are eliminating all old vehicles from the fleet over time. But in the capital um [1:21:55, 1:21:58]: program. Mm-hmm. They have vehicles as well. [1:21:58, 1:22:18]: But this was the in the capital, that cost is this was done before we started talking with enterprise about leasing. So the money you allocated in the capital budget will actually go towards the lease. You will not be outright buying these vehicles. It'll switch over to the lease program. So that money that's in capital. [1:22:18, 1:22:21]: capital would find a lease agreement. [1:22:21, 1:22:27]: So the city manager is responsible for the budget. So I just wanna confirm that that is the case. [1:22:35, 1:22:55]: Yes, sir. I I just wanna confirm that that is the case. Uh Mr. Aaron just spoke to as far as what is indicated in the capital improvement plan. Right. Those funds now will be converted over into the lease plan. Correct, which would hopefully reduce our which will should reduce our f our cost footprint and give us additional savings if we're doing that. [1:22:55, 1:22:57]: I also rem remind you too that [1:22:57, 1:23:00]: Um as Chief said, we actually did actually put monies in the splus. [1:23:01, 1:23:11]: Right, to purchase vehicles. So this won't be coming from the general fund per se as time go along. We'll be purchasing out of this plus to make to to make these vehicles happen to the lease program. [1:23:12, 1:23:16]: So I j I just want to be sure. Yes, sir. Thank you for confirming. [1:23:16, 1:23:25]: Okay, do we need clarification on your motion against it? Yeah, I'm certainly in agreement with that, ms um that uh that's certainly in incumbent what what we've agreed upon. [1:23:26, 1:23:30]: Okay. [1:23:30, 1:23:39]: I have a um motion to approve as recommended by staff for light duty vehicles. [1:23:40, 1:23:42]: With the cost savings. [1:23:43, 1:23:55]: And a total fuel analysis for each department for the past few years and that the capital improvement plan vehicle funding would go towards the least pro [1:23:56, 1:24:00]: Yes, that's the motion. Oh, that's the motion. Okay. Thank you, ma'am. There's a second emotion. [1:24:02, 1:24:05]: Mr. Berry still second that motion. All right. All in favor, please indicate? [1:24:06, 1:24:20]: Okay, so now it's decision. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you, gentlemen. Ladies, appreciate enterprise. Congratulations. Uh what we have next is a public hearing, final reading and adoption of the FY 2025 operating budget and capital improvement plan. [1:24:21, 1:24:38]: Let's see here. So since the public hearing, let me read the public hearing rules. Please mute uh mute all cell phones and electronic devices. If anyone wishes to speak tonight on a public hearing item, please fill out the form available on the table and hand it to the city clerk before approaching the podium. [1:24:38, 1:24:49]: After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant of the representatives regarding the proposed plans for property along with or any other relevant information. [1:24:50, 1:25:10]: The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor of the or opposed to the case will have an opportunity to do so. Each side will be allotted ten minutes total. 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The applicant may reserve part or of his or her speaking time as a rebuttal or may speak next and last and may use the entire 10 minutes allowed for the pro side of the application. [1:26:00, 1:26:20]: If questions are raised, the council may ask the applicant to address questions and or concerns. The presiding officer will call for the motion and a second emotion will have a necessary discussion. Uh if the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for the vote and recommend approval or for denial of the request. Okay, this is in reference to our uh [1:26:22, 1:26:28]: Fin uh final reading, adoption of the FY twenty twenty five operating budget. And uh Mr. Gardner, please. [1:26:28, 1:26:30]: Um, he stepped away for just a second, maybe. [1:26:31, 1:26:33]: Okay. Okay. [1:26:39, 1:26:46]: Good evening, Mayor Council. I apologize. I had to run to the restroom real quick. Um so kind of recap. [1:26:52, 1:27:12]: Uh yes, this is our uh read final read for the the budget for FY twenty five. Um kind of give you a recap. Obviously we started this process at the staff level back in late April, early May, um developing the budget um at the staff and department level, um brought the budget to city council. [1:27:12, 1:27:16]: So at our retreat where we spent I think three days going over [1:27:16, 1:27:20]: And having each of the staff present to city council their budget budget requests. [1:27:21, 1:27:23]: To include their personnel requests. [1:27:23, 1:27:28]: Um and capital, we ran through that process over a three day period back in August. [1:27:28, 1:27:29]: Um [1:27:29, 1:27:31]: We are now here. Um [1:27:31, 1:27:33]: Yeah, first read on November ninth. [1:27:34, 1:27:35]: And we're here before council. [1:27:36, 1:27:39]: uh for the adoption of the FY twenty five budget. [1:27:40, 1:27:43]: Um at our last meeting on November ninth. [1:27:43, 1:27:53]: Think there were some special requests made um by counsel for us to look at addressing. And I hope I keep captured all of them correctly. Um you should hold as part. [1:27:55, 1:28:07]: of that my presentation as well as um some of the budget sheets that kinda highlights where we've added some additional what was requested for additional funding for specific items. [1:28:07, 1:28:27]: as well as the personnel request be the last sheet just attached to the individual budget sheets, the justification for thereof, and I think they're also requested um a line by line review of the changes in the jobs. Um I know we talked about two special projects. [1:28:27, 1:28:32]: And this has been under drawing books for a while, the Performing and Cultural Arts and the Youth and Senior Center. [1:28:33, 1:28:35]: Um at our retreat back in [1:28:35, 1:28:38]: Early in the year there was combat discussions regarding [1:28:38, 1:28:43]: Looking at a combination of the two buildings and we've kinda looked at that. [1:28:43, 1:28:48]: footprint, but we heard some messages that maybe we should keep it as two separate buildings. [1:28:48, 1:28:52]: But I know that that's something that obviously we're gonna address, hopefully at our [1:28:53, 1:29:13]: um upcoming retreat that we have in the early spring um before we go to national leagues as cities. So we'll be able to have um some direction there because obviously there's some funding available to get that project moving forward, either one of them depending on which one we've got direction. I know that we started moving on the performing [1:29:13, 1:29:17]: cultural arts and then obviously because of the cost that was associated we um [1:29:18, 1:29:38]: We kind of hold off to see what we could get some additional funding. And as you guys know, we got the SPLOSS approved and we did budget a considerable amount of our SPLOS funds towards um this program. So um that'll be allowed for us to be able to start making a move on this pro on that project. Um as of uh you asked, explain for [1:29:38, 1:29:47]: reclassification and new budget requests and I I think during our meeting, um Frank, if I can remember correctly, out of the I think there was twelve positions. [1:29:48, 1:29:52]: that we identified uh that's in the budget and of those [1:29:53, 1:29:57]: Frank, I'm sorry. Come come to the mic, please. And of those only [1:29:57, 1:29:58]: Oh yeah. [1:29:58, 1:30:01]: So again, eleven. And two were [1:30:02, 1:30:13]: New positions but rec two brand new positions, but the other ones were reclassifications of existing, which means that there were existing personnel in those positions. Um [1:30:13, 1:30:33]: They weren't adding to the list, but just keeping the existing, for the most part, existing footprint of the number of employees. If you look at your sheet, this has the justification on here. This would give you an idea of the justification that came from each of the departments as it related to their requests. Number one was the public safety officer, the public safety supervisor. [1:30:33, 1:30:42]: The other one was code enforcement supervisor, the code enforcement manager. And we'll get a little bit more in-depth with that. [1:30:42, 1:30:44]: It was a separate request. [1:30:44, 1:30:50]: Um administrative manager to administrative coordinator, and that's in public works. [1:30:50, 1:30:51]: Um [1:30:52, 1:30:58]: creative and record creation of a record supervisor position within the police department. [1:30:58, 1:31:03]: Creation of a multimedia coordinator within the police department. [1:31:03, 1:31:19]: Um management management analyst to management of data strategy and innovation and I've just removed that'cause that was the only request coming from my department. So I've removed that position. Um I think that's all of the positions, I think. [1:31:19, 1:31:39]: That we we have identified as part of that. So I'll I'll take questions on those. I know we will there was um a request to add about fifteen thousand for additional uh Christmas decorations, and we've been able to to do that um for the next upcoming year um to look at adding uh Christmas decorations. [1:31:39, 1:31:59]: Throughout the city. There was an additional axe for 150 to look at potential property acquisition. We were able to do that. There was a request for$40,000 for small business assistance, which we funded duly between Opera funds, which are expended in that. [1:31:59, 1:32:05]: that realm as well as some additional um general fund fund to be put towards the program. [1:32:07, 1:32:27]: So we've done that. Excuse me. Uh-oh. Um, and then obviously the other option was there were actually three, not two. But you guys wanted us to look at two new options as it relates to code enforcement and where code enforcement should go. Should it stay with the police department, which is as you see in the [1:32:27, 1:32:33]: presentation is the city manager's recommendation, or make it a separate department with a code director. [1:32:34, 1:32:38]: Or included as part back into community development with a code supervisor. [1:32:40, 1:32:54]: And then I think uh there was one more to show the extension of the chart and I'm actually have to rewr revising my chart my um letter. So I will provide that to you guys um hopefully tomorrow. So I'm still working on that. Um [1:32:59, 1:33:12]: And hopefully you guys can see this. I know it's kind of tight, was trying to get both of these on there. So what you see as it relates to um and I'll go to the bottom line and highlight that. [1:33:13, 1:33:18]: So with code under community development um [1:33:20, 1:33:40]: The cost is right about four hundred and four hundred and fifty-six thousand three hundred and ninety-two dollars. And that's pretty much removing code from the police department wholly and putting it under community development. And community development includes your planning, your zoning, um, GIS, well, planning zoning permit and GIS um are in there and included in that. [1:33:40, 1:33:49]: That is obviously the fire marshal who's in that department. So those are the structure of it, but we budget separately for each one of those. This would just be added into that structure. [1:33:49, 1:33:52]: Um if you look at adding it with a director [1:33:52, 1:34:12]: with a salary in the range of eighty-five thousand somewhere in there. Between seventy-five and and ninety, it would be the range somewhere in there. Um, it'll go from that four fifty six to four four sixty-six hundred thousand, uh, four hundred sixty-six thousand uh dollars, um, to where the code director and [1:34:12, 1:34:16]: the associated code enforcement officers with that. [1:34:18, 1:34:21]: What is it currently right now within within the police department? [1:34:21, 1:34:25]: Currently in the police department it is at the four [1:34:28, 1:34:35]: With the request the the chief giving it's at that four four hundred and fifty six thousand three hundred and ninety two. [1:34:37, 1:34:45]: And you should see that highlighted um in your pocket. As you see, we have land acquisition added. If you look at your spreadsheets. [1:34:45, 1:34:52]: That if approved, we will include these as part of the pocket. Second page illustrates the Christmas decorations and where those would go. [1:34:53, 1:35:13]: And the public works. Um economic development would get the infusion for small business assistance, preferably at about 5,000 per business, so that way we can touch more businesses than not. Because at 10 it's only four, but at five you get you get more businesses to to assist. Um sheet number three was showing. [1:35:13, 1:35:26]: show the different options for code enforcement as the scenario one and two being just a manager under code enforcement at the four fifty six as a separate department for the four fifty six as a separate department for sixty-six. [1:35:28, 1:35:42]: Sir. Yes sir. Go ahead please. Okay. Now I w in terms of the code of code enforcement, this includes a supervisor, how many code enforcement officers and how in this supervisor position a new supervisor that you're speaking of? [1:35:43, 1:35:47]: So it would be the supervisor and four code enforcement officers. [1:35:48, 1:35:58]: It'd be three I'm sorry, he's got a three up. Three, excuse me. So three officers and and the and a supervisor. Okay. So right now today what do we have? [1:35:59, 1:36:19]: We have four same same scenario. Three and three three and one. Same scenario. Okay, so we have three and one today and they're doing weekends too, right? Uh I think they do. I don't know if Chief, you wanna speak to the operations of code, but I think they're gonna be a bit more. [1:36:18, 1:36:22]: should be doing weekends is what we had talked about. [1:36:26, 1:36:35]: There's not a permanent rotation as it relates to weekends, but they do work some weekend assignments and then they also modify their schedule to work the evening assignments. One of the challenges has been [1:36:36, 1:36:54]: that just until here recently uh we were operating with two code enforcement officers. That's been a challenge, but we've hired three. Uh we still have not filled the supervisory position. When we're at full capacity, we'll be able to enhance our operational capacity to be able to cover more area um over a broader range uh of time. [1:36:54, 1:37:14]: Okay, certainly speaking for myself and hope and I don't know, we've all wanted to have that weekend presence because we have all these pop-up businesses that just show up, especially during the holiday season, robbing our local retailers of of sales that they should get, and they just pop up everywhere. [1:37:14, 1:37:34]: And that weekend business, they know in the past they haven't been working. Henry County has now done the same thing that we did in the past. So certainly I would strongly encourage that we do that and that we have weekend courage coverage because I get calls all the time about pop up businesses and nuisances that only occur especially [1:37:34, 1:37:54]: having tractor trailers sitting in driveways uh in subdivisions during the weekend and such violations as that. So uh asking me, I certainly want to see twenty four I certainly want to see uh weekend code enforcement. If if I could if I could speak to that in just a moment, um one of the things that we've been doing [1:37:54, 1:37:59]: doing with code enforcement being under the police department is our code enforcement has been cross training our officers. [1:38:00, 1:38:15]: All code enforcement violations are city ordinance violations of which our officers are able to enforce. So if you have something like a pop-up business or a semi-trailer that's not parked appropriately in the evening hours, those common occurrences uh we're training our officers what to look for. [1:38:15, 1:38:35]: And um uh they've actually our code enforcement has done some in service with them to be able to address those issues. So I we do have the capacity to address those in general twenty-four seven. Uh one of the things too is we've been training our uh public safety officers in some of the uh the code enforcement to enhance our uh operational capacity as it relates to that as well. [1:38:35, 1:38:35]: [5915.8, 5935.8]: L let me just say this, Chief. I'm going to be recommending that we move code enforcement to community development because I think the flow is natural that they are writing the code, they're interpreting the code. But what you just said, I don't want that to go away because of the recommendation that I would like to [1:38:55, 1:39:15]: like to see happen which is I want I still want to see those officers when they see a semi in a driveway to report it or to to act upon it. Well if I I I'm sorry sir, please. I'm sorry but I certainly want to make sure that that does not go away in what I feel needs to be the knockful progression. That's up to the entire council. [1:39:15, 1:39:35]: What to do. But when Ryan and his team approve a development, the code enforcement officers, in addition to the building department office, should go back out and they should be following up. And it should be right there in their hands in some type of handheld or whatever, the conditions or whatever the business. [1:39:35, 1:39:55]: Was supposed to be uh adhering to. I know we had this business uh uh on on Walt Stevens that we approved right by Red Oak United Methodist Church. It s appears that those corrections or those additions have been completed, but it took a long time for those for that. [1:39:55, 1:40:15]: driveway to be completed and a lot of things to be done. But if the code enforcement officer or someone were fall going out to follow up on getting those things done, then they would have been done because we approved that way back during the pandemic, but the improvements took a long time to happen. I feel like there's a lot of things out there [1:40:15, 1:40:35]: going on that we approve, but is anybody really going back out there to check? And then when they're getting a report, uh the officers gotta call code enforcement anyway to get a ruling or representation or legal or somebody. I I just feel like that'll be the best direction to go in. And from my standpoint, I want to see [1:40:35, 1:40:55]: you guys focus on crime. I don't want to see them, I certainly want them to uh aware of those other items, but to focus on crime. And that 300 and taking that out of your budget actually, because there's some concern about, you know, since we started a police department, that number has been escalating uh on a [1:40:55, 1:41:15]: yearly basis. But one of the reasons that number's been escalating is because we had other departments, uh, this four hundred and fifty six thousand dollars or whatever that amount is included into that budget, that separated out people can generally see what we're spending on the police department not uh in in in excluding [1:41:15, 1:41:21]: the code enforcement instead of lumping out all together uh under one category. [1:41:22, 1:41:40]: Re real quick and and um I'm just speaking from my professional view of code enforcement. Having run code for eight years in the city of Griffin and having code under me at the city of East Point and the City of Um McDonough, you know, and Henry County. Um [1:41:41, 1:41:47]: Henry County, when I started back in 2000, code enforcement was its own department. They now been absorbed by the police department. [1:41:47, 1:41:55]: Um code enforcement and Griffin was running in develop in community development, but because our department wasn't getting the resources, we moved it to [1:41:56, 1:42:09]: um police department uh in the city of Griffin. Um and I will tell you we did that for two reasons. Um at the time back in two thousand and eight there was a coding officer who got shot. [1:42:09, 1:42:11]: On private property. [1:42:11, 1:42:12]: Lost his life. [1:42:13, 1:42:28]: And because of that, we move code because that code officer now has the symbiotic relationship with the police department. Not only that, when he gets on that radio, if he makes a certain call, it's not just him coming to his rescue, it's gonna be GSP. [1:42:29, 1:42:30]: Because we've had that happen before. [1:42:31, 1:42:35]: Right, as well as spawning county p sheriff coming to that person's rescue. [1:42:35, 1:42:36]: Um and they work. [1:42:37, 1:42:41]: And sometimes I w you know, we don't have some of the challenges obviously that we had in in Griffin. [1:42:42, 1:42:50]: But code enforcement was a sometimes our eyes, and I asked for the police department because they can do certain things the police technically can't do. [1:42:50, 1:42:58]: But they can see things and then report to the police department, and that could be instantaneous. Um and then it's also the issue of safety, right? Um [1:42:59, 1:43:12]: The issues we dealt with in East Point was a little different because we had a lot of abandoned vacant structures and obviously we didn't want code walking in those buildings by themselves. So obviously they will call police when they're doing those inspections. As it relates to [1:43:13, 1:43:20]: code offices doing building inspections, that's not their forte. Any development that gets built or housing that gets built. [1:43:20, 1:43:22]: It's the development inspective. [1:43:22, 1:43:32]: building the spec ins the inspectors to review those plans with the zoning condition to make sure that they're adhere into the zoning conditions. If they don't, the first order of business is they put a stop work order on. [1:43:33, 1:43:44]: If they see it as a violation, then yes, code enforcement can be issued to go over and give them a citation and put them in court. Dual roles, but those roles uh working together. [1:43:45, 1:43:52]: Um, so they're not billing inspectors per se. So having them go to that class. And do we do have code enforcement and I'll tell you what we did. [1:43:54, 1:43:56]: In both of the entities where I code w I work with code. [1:43:57, 1:44:02]: We actually had our code, and I think chiefdom are doing the same thing. They get gurt gate certified. [1:44:03, 1:44:06]: Level one, level two, level three. And usually at level three you're a supervisor. [1:44:07, 1:44:09]: When you got their qualifications. [1:44:09, 1:44:20]: Um, we also made them do ICC code property maintenance code because obviously there are some yard issues and stuff that they could address through the property maintenance code. So that assists. [1:44:20, 1:44:25]: But lot of those problems, you know, we don't see generally here because we're still s community of [1:44:26, 1:44:30]: Except for some of the areas we annex, but still a community is growing and most of our homes are [1:44:30, 1:44:32]: Literally under twenty five years old. [1:44:33, 1:44:33]: Um [1:44:34, 1:44:34]: You know. [1:44:35, 1:44:36]: Homes in East Point, homes in [1:44:37, 1:44:50]: And Griffin are a little bit older, a little bit more sketchy, right? Um, but we'll go with I'll go with whatever recommendation comes from the vote of the council as it released. We'll move it, or we keep it the same, or we do whatever the recommendation is from the council. [1:44:50, 1:44:55]: Um at the end, I mean I'm gonna say Reddit goes there. Obviously the relationship has been [1:44:56, 1:45:00]: melted with the police department and the resources they've been able to bring to bear the assist code. [1:45:00, 1:45:01]: Um [1:45:01, 1:45:04]: And making sure that you know we keep folks uh [1:45:05, 1:45:06]: Here, right? Um [1:45:07, 1:45:14]: And so we'll go with that recommendation. I think Chief wanna just give some numbers as it relates to what the activity has been. [1:45:15, 1:45:22]: And uh Councilman Alexander, I certainly understand your uh perspective, but I will say that the mission of the police department is not necessarily [1:45:22, 1:45:24]: Just to enforce the law. [1:45:24, 1:45:30]: Or to decrease crime. Our mission is to improve the quality of life of the residents of this city. [1:45:30, 1:45:37]: Uh, public safety's a quality of life issue, code enforcement's a quality of life issue. There's something known as broken windows theory when we don't address [1:45:37, 1:45:57]: blight in the community, it breeds crime conducive conditions. So being able to leverage code enforcement to address those crime conducive conditions, whether that be, you know, properties are not being maintained or something along those lines, we have the ability to direct those resources to address those issues without having to go through another division director to pull from [1:45:57, 1:46:00]: resources to address those issues that really [1:46:00, 1:46:07]: at at its core are community safety issues. We've been able to work with code enforcement to bring down some blighted businesses in the [1:46:07, 1:46:20]: um uh community. Uh we've made substantial uh impacts in a lot of the urban um camping issues that we've had. We've cleared out dozens of those encampments, improving the quality of life for our community. [1:46:20, 1:46:39]: Before when code enforcement was under community development, there were 753 violations uh during the entire course of the year. With the same number of people that we've had over that period of time, when we took it over in 2023, there were 1,635 violations. So that's 117% increase in proactivity. [1:46:39, 1:46:59]: Uh this past year in twenty twenty-four we went from sixteen hundred and thirty-five and twenty-three to two thousand two hundred and ninety-two violations in twenty twenty-four, which is a forty percent increase. So we've been making substantial improvements. We've made a considerable investment. The code enforcement officers have ballistic vests, they have body cameras, we've purchased vehicles. [1:46:59, 1:47:15]: Um of which would have to be re outfitted if they're no longer part of the police department. So you have unrealized cost as it relates to basically demerging them. And then we also have to contend with the fact of space allocation. Where are we gonna put them? They're gonna continue to be housed in the police department. Um [1:47:15, 1:47:35]: Yeah, I I and and quite honestly, we've just got to the point where we've been able to hire everybody uh that's in code enforcement now from the police department. So we have the right people, we've created the right culture. And it's just my recommendation. I think this is the wrong direction to go in. One of the things that we requested was a code enforcement manager because we understand that that unit needs [1:47:35, 1:47:55]: More oversight. It needs more experience with a professional. And we believe that a code enforcement manager will have more appeal to be able to attract the right type of candidate in, to provide that level of guidance and direction to move us forward. But I don't know that moving it to community development is necessarily going to solve the problem. We've had great success. [1:47:55, 1:48:06]: We've made a lot of progress and you know there are other implications that results in this decision and as the city manager indicated, it's not his recommendation. It's not my recommendation to move that either. [1:48:06, 1:48:26]: Thank you. Thanks, Chief, for your presentation. Mr. Gardner, come back to the mic for a second. I'm just trying to remember this. Uh there's a reason why we moved it originally out of community development. I can't remember what the reasoning was, but obviously it was there. We moved it to the police department. Now conversation about possibly moving it back. So can you recall why we actually moved it in the first place? I think it was [1:48:26, 1:48:45]: around effectiveness, correct me if I wrong, uh Councilmember Thomas and Councilmembers. Um I think that was part of the reason was we wanted to see it be a little bit more effective and and and what it was doing. Um correct me if I wrong sir. Um [1:48:47, 1:48:52]: I I think the problem with code enforcement and all all due respect to the chief [1:48:53, 1:48:58]: And I I've I've been dealing with this subject for a few years now and [1:49:01, 1:49:02]: The reason [1:49:03, 1:49:05]: To answer your question, uh Mr. Gardner. [1:49:06, 1:49:14]: The reason it would move then was because there was no focus on code enforcement. [1:49:15, 1:49:35]: And I think the reason now, it may be for the same reason. But I would say that council, you know, we have to sort of dig a little deeper into the issue of code enforcement and give that department the tools that it really needs. [1:49:35, 1:49:44]: to do the job. And I and I think that's really been the problem. And and again, and the chief, and you know you and I have gone around and around and around. [1:49:44, 1:49:50]: That city manager, you know you and I have gone round and around and around about some issues. [1:49:50, 1:49:55]: And and my recommendation would be to move it to community uh development as well. [1:49:55, 1:49:57]: But not only moving it. [1:49:58, 1:49:58]: But [1:50:00, 1:50:04]: Putting in the policies and the procedures and the tools. [1:50:04, 1:50:11]: that code enforcement need to do the job. And I think that's what was lacking the first time. [1:50:11, 1:50:14]: But I just be honest, I just don't think the focus [1:50:15, 1:50:23]: in the de police department. I just don't think the focus is there. Now I would I would love to be wrong on that for sure because [1:50:23, 1:50:24]: At the end of the day. [1:50:25, 1:50:26]: We just won't [1:50:27, 1:50:34]: code enforcement to be active and just doing its job. We just want everybody just to do their job. [1:50:34, 1:50:44]: And I don't care if you're in this building, if you're in code enforcement, if you're in public safety, if you're hired by the city of Stockbridge, we just want everybody to do their job. [1:50:45, 1:50:47]: And and and that's the bottom line for me. [1:50:47, 1:50:54]: But my recommendation as well is to uh code uh move code enforcement under community development. [1:50:54, 1:50:55]: But [1:50:56, 1:50:57]: To give them [1:50:58, 1:50:59]: The two [1:50:59, 1:51:18]: uh give them the manager, give them some tools, work with them and support that, support them so they can do their job. I just don't think that uh those workers uh in code enforcement has gotten the support that they really need. Now I mean talk is good. [1:51:18, 1:51:22]: For me, I have to see it every day. I don't see it. [1:51:23, 1:51:27]: You can put anything on paper, you can come up here and do all the kind of talking. [1:51:27, 1:51:31]: But every day I need to see it happen and I don't see it. [1:51:33, 1:51:36]: Mr. Anderson, uh Mr. Anderson, could you come uh to mic please? [1:51:42, 1:52:00]: You're now the current director of community development. You were s uh in the uh in a section in the time that the code of force was there and we switched it. What what do you perceive back in that time frame? Why it was your personal opinion, why it was switched at that time and and how if it s switches back, how you'd be able to handle everything just comes to back to your way. [1:52:00, 1:52:20]: Well, during that time, uh, Mayor Ford, I had recently arrived. I mean, just recently got hired. So I didn't have a long tenure with uh code enforcement. But I think there was some turnover in the supervisor. We had a pretty good supervisor at first, but uh her name, I think her name was Lenore. Okay and she was doing community sweeps on a monthly basis throughout. [1:52:20, 1:52:20]: [6741.8, 6745.0]: Throughout her tenure, uh she was going to different shopping plazas. [1:52:25, 1:52:27]: Doing what she had what she called a sweep. [1:52:27, 1:52:31]: And that was very helpful, but after she left, that kind of fell off. [1:52:31, 1:52:38]: So but I'm not I'm not sure exactly why I was moved. I wouldn't involve I wouldn't involve in those discussions. [1:52:38, 1:52:56]: And of course if the decisions are bring'em back to you, you're now you now run the shop. So how you found how you deal with that? What what's on your mind? And uh and how do you plan to deal with this? Well, I will do whatever is requested of me by counseling and city manager. Um but one thing I do, I don't run bad operations, so [1:52:57, 1:53:06]: If it comes back it it will be effective and efficient and productive. So but I'll do whatever's requested and whatever the city manager wants me to do. [1:53:07, 1:53:27]: All right, sir. Appreciate it. Any other questions? Yep. You good down here? You one second. Go ahead, Mr. Barrett. I got a hypothetical. If if code enforcement is moved, why why or how would the support of PD look different if it's no longer underneath the police department, considering that this is [1:53:27, 1:53:31]: Still the city of Stockbridge as a whole. [1:53:31, 1:53:40]: I think one of the reasons was given that the support would be there if they remain, but shouldn't that same support be there regardless of what department it falls under? [1:53:46, 1:54:02]: No, the the s the support would be there. There's certain things logistically you can understand to have a police radio and be able to run data, they have to be G CI certified. That falls under the umbrella of the police department. We would have to remove that. Um the vehicles are branded as police, they would have to be rebranded. [1:54:03, 1:54:06]: So there's some things logistically that you would have to work out in terms of support [1:54:07, 1:54:17]: Uh if they call us, we'll be there. But there's some things that we would have to reabsorb that um are are police department centric that code enforcement wouldn't have as uh i as an avenue. [1:54:17, 1:54:33]: But should their vehicles be branded as police? I'm sorry? Should their vehicles be branded as police? Well they're not branded as police. I mean it's part of the overall um if you look at the vehicle, if you've seen the code enforcement vehicles, they're striped and they have a Stockbridge police symbol on there. So those things are gonna have to be [1:54:33, 1:54:40]: uh restriped uh to reflect the city branding instead of the police department branding. [1:54:41, 1:54:43]: I I will say that that [1:54:44, 1:54:54]: In my experience, when you see code enforcement and code enforcement works out out of the police department with a vehicle, it's similar, even though it doesn't carry some of the same equipment. [1:54:54, 1:54:57]: There's a little bit more there's a little bit more behind it. [1:54:57, 1:55:12]: When when you talk when a resident is dealing with code enforcement from that standpoint versus just showing up in a regular city vehicle with code enforcement written on it. Um, in my experience I've seen a difference in the response from folks who are cited [1:55:13, 1:55:33]: versus the other side. It's a little bit more confrontational when they're dealing with the regular code folk than when they're dealing with the folk in the police department because they typically understand that the conversation ain't gonna be long and if it gets too far they're going to jail. Right? Uh but but they can't they can't affect an arrest. A code enforcement officer can't affect an arrest regardless. But it's [1:55:33, 1:55:40]: the perception of I see 911 written on that vehicle. I see the stripe as similar to a police vehicle. [1:55:41, 1:56:01]: The way people enter occupy my feedback has been I'm I'm gonna say my feedback has been different from some of the people that I've talked to within my district. There there is a lack of a lack of respect for all of our code enforcement officers, period. And that's my biggest concern um with the department because all [1:56:01, 1:56:07]: the feedback that I'm getting from from from my representation is that um [1:56:11, 1:56:19]: They're they're they're just not being given the same support as what they would expect to get. [1:56:20, 1:56:25]: Or the follow up is not there or the k the the carryover. [1:56:26, 1:56:28]: From the citation to the [1:56:29, 1:56:30]: Corrective action. [1:56:31, 1:56:32]: Is what's missing. [1:56:33, 1:56:36]: And I've I've I've gotten that on multiple [1:56:37, 1:56:38]: Occasions. [1:56:39, 1:56:58]: You talking about they're not responsive in terms of issuing citations. Not just responsive, but just the management of the of the entire process. The management of the complaint, the management of the citation, the management of the follow-through, the management if there's a warning given and and the corrective like the follow-up of the corrective action of the thing that's being reported. [1:56:59, 1:57:02]: or called in and just the [1:57:03, 1:57:10]: Desire of the code enforcement team and management to make sure that the code is being enforced. [1:57:11, 1:57:16]: Well well, I will say this that we've recently uh the former code enforcement supervisor [1:57:17, 1:57:17]: Yeah. [1:57:17, 1:57:31]: One of the things we've been working towards is putting everybody on a s the same system so that we're able to track. Right now code enforcement's on a disparate system from the police department as it relates to tracking violations and things along those lines. We've been working hard and we've developed solutions [1:57:32, 1:57:37]: that we're in the process of implementing to get all that on the same sheet of music so that we're able to go in and just like [1:57:38, 1:57:43]: If somebody wants to know how much enforcement or what's the action that an officer had taken, we can go into our system and look. [1:57:43, 1:57:47]: To make sure that code enforcement's on a similar system or on the same system rather, so they were able to go back [1:57:48, 1:57:51]: And track those things. Historically, the previous code enforcement supervisor [1:57:52, 1:58:12]: And the way the system was set up was maintaining a lot of things on Excel sheets, which obviously is antiquated. It's difficult to follow through on. Some things are done via C click fix. And so we're in the process of really looking at the systems and getting everybody on the same system so that citizens are able to track those things. As it relates to enforcement, I mean you can say what you want regarding [1:58:11, 1:58:19]: oversight, but the enforcement activity with the same number of people, I can give you the data. It's increased substantially over the years. And so to say that [1:58:19, 1:58:24]: it's not effective or we're not going out there and doing those things I think is a misrepresentation. It may be perceptual that we're not [1:58:25, 1:58:39]: out there or is involved, but the reality is the numbers speak for themselves and we can go back and we can pull all that data and provide that to show that there has been an impact, there has been an increase. Um is there opportunity to improve? Absolutely, but you have to contend with the fact that everybody we have on that team [1:58:40, 1:58:51]: The the most the most tenured person who's been there, I think has been there seven months. So it it's a process. It's trying to get things gelling and just because something's not working now, I would just ask you give us the ability [1:58:51, 1:59:11]: To get somebody good on board, to look at it, if it's not working and you all are not happy with what it's doing mid year, let's reevaluate it. But I think it's really gonna be it's it it's gonna be that we've we spent a lot molding those cultures together and then to pull those things out. I don't think it's gonna be good for our officers or our code enforcement. So when you when you I I [1:59:11, 1:59:28]: I hear exactly what you're saying and I don't I don't think the complaint is that I think and it is anecdotal. Most of the things that people are saying is anecdotal. It's not about whether or not, you know, people are showing up or or or whatever. It's it's about how they feel on the response. Cause you know, uh [1:59:28, 1:59:47]: perception is reality, you know, w with a lot of times with what we deal with versus what you deal with is is the complaint. And when we deal with that complaint, we we we have to be able to articulate to them that there will be a resolution to it. And so I guess my question to you is projecting out [1:59:48, 1:59:50]: How would you handle that? [1:59:51, 1:59:54]: And what type of supports do you need? [1:59:54, 2:00:05]: to change or effectively migrate that into a response to where is it software based, is it training based? Do you need more people to do it? Like [2:00:05, 2:00:11]: I hear what you're saying, keeping it there is your recommendation, but what else is needed to make it [2:00:13, 2:00:13]: Better. [2:00:15, 2:00:18]: I I'll speak a little bit and then I'm gonna let Chief do it. [2:00:18, 2:00:19]: Um [2:00:20, 2:00:21]: Keep measuring out of order. [2:00:23, 2:00:25]: Go go ahead, Ms. M Mrner. [2:00:26, 2:00:27]: Goldwich comments. [2:00:31, 2:00:33]: No more. [2:00:34, 2:00:35]: So so [2:00:36, 2:00:43]: I think that in a city of this size, the way that we're growing, you need more code enforcement officers. The goal would be to have one code enforcement officer per council district. [2:00:44, 2:00:52]: When we have a full complement of team, then we can be more proactive in that regard. One of the things that we're working towards in in code enforcement was part of this just the same with the police department. [2:00:53, 2:01:13]: Is a service for next year for our police and our code enforcement called Power Engage. Once the citizen makes a complaint, they get a text message. It lets them know what the code enforcement officer it is, it gives them a case number to be able to follow up on. And we can track those things and we can monitor community feedback and satisfaction. I have Assistant Chief Godfrey up here because he can speak more specifically. [2:01:12, 2:01:23]: because he's our technology guy about the systems and platforms we're using to make sure that we're able to get code enforcement on the same system so that we're able to go back and track and monitor those things and look at [2:01:23, 2:01:30]: the uh the the uh the complaints and the resolution of those complaints in a uh more holistic fashion. Can you [2:01:33, 2:01:41]: Sometimes I think I'm getting old. Oh might just kick off and on. Well the one thing I was gonna say is um [2:01:43, 2:01:48]: Frederick. Um I know you mentioned about the perception. [2:01:48, 2:02:03]: And I think one of the things um we have to do is educating folks about how code operates. And I know Chief has the citizens government, I mean the police academy and whatever, and that rotates folks out, but [2:02:03, 2:02:05]: I'll give you an example. [2:02:05, 2:02:07]: If you're dealing with a property [2:02:08, 2:02:22]: Right? It's a lot difficult in the time to do a vacant property, you gotta track down who the actual owner is and it ain't always the person that shows up on the tax record that actually owned it because folks flip properties. [2:02:22, 2:02:24]: Right, and it's not captured. [2:02:25, 2:02:28]: So that side of it is a little long. [2:02:28, 2:02:37]: little bit more legwork getting it done in the sort of response between when the code officer shows up and when something effectuates through a citation, it's a little longer. [2:02:38, 2:02:41]: If you're dealing with a grass issue or a litter issue. [2:02:41, 2:02:42]: Right. [2:02:43, 2:02:46]: The typical, typical thing and the first thing they teach you in gaze. [2:02:46, 2:03:05]: Is that that is a violation and the first thing you have to do is warn them of the violation and give them the opportunity to correct the violation. Because if you issue a citation, the likelihood is you're gonna get tossed out of court. Because they never had a com an opportunity to comply. That's called due process. [2:03:05, 2:03:19]: Right. And so if you get an habitual person that keeps doing it, yes, because now you have a pattern of behavior you can actually cite that person. And I'm only stating what was teached in class. [2:03:20, 2:03:30]: Period. If it that's they go to GACE who's taught through GMA and and through the coda lines, that's what they teach these folks. So that they don't walk into court and get themselves in trouble. [2:03:31, 2:03:39]: Right. So it takes a dot you see five to seven days to comply, don't comply citation issue. [2:03:39, 2:03:43]: Right, if that person comes back and repeats that cycle again. [2:03:43, 2:03:51]: they are now allowed to because they have a history on that property to just go ahead and isn't because they're habitual. And we have one of those people. [2:03:51, 2:03:52]: Live right off a turning point. [2:03:53, 2:03:57]: Right, did I get a call from Mr. Sprayberry every other week? [2:03:57, 2:04:01]: And I have to keep reminding him, Mr. Springbury, they're already in court. [2:04:02, 2:04:03]: And we could cite them every day. [2:04:05, 2:04:19]: Right, for a violation, but at the end the judge is gonna look and say it's the same site, same issue. Are you I know you're citing them every day, but that's just the way the perception sometimes is there's nothing happening because depending on what it is, there's a lifetime between when [2:04:19, 2:04:30]: the person actually have to respond over when we could get some response based on what it is. I just wanted to just make sure I just wanted to say that. But all in all I I'm I'm hearing what you guys are saying and I think part of what [2:04:31, 2:04:33]: So I'll say what I didn't in Griffin. [2:04:34, 2:04:36]: I got with a newspaper. [2:04:37, 2:04:38]: I told him [2:04:38, 2:04:39]: To run articles. [2:04:40, 2:04:42]: on code enforcement and what we're gonna be doing. [2:04:42, 2:04:43]: Ahead of time. [2:04:44, 2:04:48]: Ай, а гев дати май сити менеджер who is a former police chief. [2:04:49, 2:05:09]: And I said, hey, this is what I'm doing. I'm going to the local Griffin Daily News. I'm gonna put an article about the fact that we're gonna go after businesses that put signs in their front windows, especially gas stations. Because guess what? That's not only city law, that's actually state law, if I'm not mistaken. And the reason why they can't put signs all around the window, if I'm [2:05:09, 2:05:10]: Robin and who's gonna see him? [2:05:11, 2:05:12]: Who wants to be walking on? [2:05:13, 2:05:25]: So they can't. So that's the first thing we did. So we put a lot of notification out to folks about what we coming and what we're gonna do. Right? And I think these guys can speak to it. The other side of that is what I did, if we go down the street. [2:05:27, 2:05:33]: If I go down Merryweather Street, code enforcement go, you park that car and you walk every violation right on through. [2:05:34, 2:05:35]: So everybody gets it. [2:05:36, 2:05:36]: Right. [2:05:37, 2:05:42]: And I will tell you that at one point I had to code enforcement of commission county city commissioner. [2:05:43, 2:05:45]: Alright, because he was in violation. [2:05:46, 2:05:48]: He was in mad with me, he wasn't mad with us, he got it. [2:05:49, 2:05:49]: I mean [2:05:50, 2:05:51]: But it's okay. [2:05:51, 2:05:52]: Right? Um [2:05:53, 2:05:54]: But that's I just wanted to [2:05:55, 2:05:58]: To answer that because sometimes people and the other side I must say too is [2:05:58, 2:06:00]: As much as you guys can. [2:06:00, 2:06:03]: I know some of you have it on your on your emails. [2:06:05, 2:06:06]: C click fix. [2:06:07, 2:06:08]: Right. [2:06:08, 2:06:12]: Um we're still at about ten or nine thousand users. [2:06:13, 2:06:15]: We should be up to at least [2:06:16, 2:06:17]: twenty. [2:06:18, 2:06:38]: Right. Um and what that does, it actually it does some of the data collection for for the police department. There's a front side and a backside to cut to cle C click fix, but it allows us to then be able to determine and get better feedback on if you put a response in, what was the lag time? So for us when we [2:06:38, 2:06:41]: utilized it in the two cities I utilized it in. [2:06:41, 2:06:43]: The first thing we did was [2:06:44, 2:06:47]: Anytime we got a violation that response should be [2:06:48, 2:06:49]: The same day. [2:06:49, 2:06:58]: Acknowledgement of it should be the same day. One, and we could always go back into the system and see how we're tracking, making the putting those metrics in place. [2:06:58, 2:07:15]: Right, to be able to say, hey, we see some things going on, right? We're able to say, hey, this is where we have lag issues and it's always been with those properties that were vacant and we had to chase down folks. The time to get back to those folks is a little bit longer, but we could quantify that. [2:07:15, 2:07:19]: and the reasons why. So as you go around, encourage folks to to [2:07:19, 2:07:26]: pulled this tool down because it it really and truly holds us accountable because it's out there so we have to address it. [2:07:26, 2:07:32]: And that's the way we used it in my former job. I assume that we these guys probably use it the same way, but we [2:07:33, 2:07:36]: Every neighborhood meeting that I went to in the city of East Point. [2:07:37, 2:07:37]: Everyone. [2:07:38, 2:07:43]: Whether it was Egan Park, Jefferson Park, Cloniel Park, every single neighbor we went to. [2:07:44, 2:07:46]: The first thing I did was I picked up my cell phone. [2:07:46, 2:07:49]: And I ask everybody in the room to download the city's app. [2:07:51, 2:07:51]: Every single time. [2:07:52, 2:07:55]: And mind you, I did have some folks who had flip phones, and the first thing I would tell them [2:07:56, 2:08:00]: Get your grandkids or your kids to get you one of these. [2:08:00, 2:08:02]: Because I can't talk to you if you're still with a flip phone. [2:08:04, 2:08:05]: Right. Um [2:08:06, 2:08:08]: Use the technology'cause the technology helps it makes it easy. [2:08:10, 2:08:16]: Mayor Four. Stand by one, please. Uh assistant chief, I believe you wanted to add something about the technology aspect. [2:08:17, 2:08:19]: Good evening. [2:08:19, 2:08:35]: So at the end of the day, this is not a community development problem or a police department problem. This is the city of Stockbridge problem. And when you look at that, the objective is the objective to issue a fine or is the the objective to bring the violation into compliance? [2:08:36, 2:08:45]: To bring the violation into compliance. So when code enforcement came up over to us, and then through all of last year, they were using Microsoft Excel. [2:08:47, 2:08:53]: So historically there are a lot of tools that you can use for Microsoft Excel if you know how to do formulas. [2:08:53, 2:09:13]: But the problem is that that does not integrate with any modern-day systems. So we have been exploring different technologies through Sage, through Civic Plus. The city utilizes several aspects, several modules through Civic Plus. C click fixes through Civic Plus. But the city does not utilize and capital. [2:09:13, 2:09:16]: capitalize on the technology that it's currently using. [2:09:17, 2:09:23]: One of the the systems that we're currently using is our records management system, even that system itself, because we had to piggyback. [2:09:24, 2:09:26]: off of Henry County when Murphy came on board. [2:09:26, 2:09:29]: Is antiquated as it pertains to code enforcement. [2:09:30, 2:09:40]: So th throughout this this entire year, we've been exploring different records management systems in the cloud-based or AWS for the tech people out here. [2:09:41, 2:09:45]: Um and looking at to see whether or not that can incorporate [2:09:45, 2:09:46]: The [2:09:46, 2:09:49]: Daily operational needs of code enforcement. [2:09:50, 2:10:04]: And it does. That would it's gonna require us to upgrade our system, but that will incorporate our code enforcement so that the report management system is universal through police and through code enforcement. [2:10:04, 2:10:13]: The program that the chief was talking about through Power Engage, because we're already using Power DMS for our state and assumed to be Calia accreditation. [2:10:14, 2:10:18]: Ікорating that component so that when the call comes out. [2:10:20, 2:10:25]: Within five minutes, your citizen is receiving a notification that your case has been received and [2:10:25, 2:10:30]: When a case number has been issued, the citizen will receive their case number. [2:10:30, 2:10:35]: when the status of that case changes based on a notice of violation. [2:10:35, 2:10:41]: A citation, a court date, all of that information is pushed to the citizen automatically. [2:10:41, 2:10:46]: So it's integrating the various technologies available today and tomorrow. [2:10:46, 2:11:00]: to enhance the capabilities of all of our departments in the city of Stockbridge. Because the days of printing out reports, the days of PDFs, the days of of waiting until you come to a meeting. [2:11:01, 2:11:07]: to hear an update on your subdivision or your your violation needs to go by the wayside. [2:11:07, 2:11:15]: But we have to put the resources in place in order to deal with this. And again, whether it's under the police or another department. [2:11:16, 2:11:20]: You have to put together the resources, and yes, that requires money. [2:11:20, 2:11:24]: To add those additional people, to add the additional needed. [2:11:24, 2:11:30]: very much needed software to allow them to do their jobs at the fullest capability. [2:11:32, 2:11:43]: Well thank you for that decision chief. Um Miss Gad, you had a question earlier. Well one, I I th I saw our treasurer come up, I didn't know if he had a comment in regards to that. Did you have a comment? And two [2:11:44, 2:11:50]: I'm sh I'm shocked that we're using Excel spreadsheet for code enforcement. Um [2:11:50, 2:11:52]: That would be very shocking to me. [2:11:52, 2:12:02]: Um it is is extremely shopping shocking because it's ant definitely antiquated and you and it lacks the ability to communicate. [2:12:02, 2:12:05]: Um with our license and permitting [2:12:05, 2:12:06]: Right? [2:12:06, 2:12:23]: Um meaning there's technology here. I don't know if we use Tyler technologies or not for um our business that we we do, but there's software that is in addition to that, that reads, that is able for our our that software we're [2:12:24, 2:12:44]: The code enforcement officer can read who has got a permit. Is this does this address have a permit? Okay, we cited them on this date. Their 30-day notice, a tickler. Their 30-day notice is up, or they seven-day notices up, and that grass wasn't cut. So here's that citation, and it keeps everything in a [2:12:44, 2:12:53]: historical i all in one, right? And it reads from one department to the next. That's number one. Number two, I think that the um [2:12:54, 2:13:14]: um that Chief Tramer made a a really valid point, you guys, in regards to the fact of how young or how experienced or or the the amount of experience one of the the oldest person on the police office uh on the code enforcement has been [2:13:14, 2:13:34]: Here for seven months. You're talking about learning codes. You're talking about learning processes. You're talking about learning a department. You're turn you're talking about learning a procedure. And I am I am concerned about us flipping that, so to speak. [2:13:34, 2:13:54]: fairly quickly because we're not really pleased with the outcome. I'm I'm very much so interested in hearing some of the I haven't heard those same complaints in my district to that to that extent. But and Chief I I do disagree that we need a code enforcement [2:13:54, 2:14:00]: Officer for each district because I'm looking at it based off of the mileage and the parameter in s itself. [2:14:00, 2:14:09]: But in regards to where it goes, police officers enforce the law. The code is the law. It's our law. It's our ordinances. [2:14:11, 2:14:29]: Again, the code is a law too. It's our law. It's our ordinances. It's our noise violation ordinances. When I was a solicitor, I would change sometimes a state code to a code ordinance violation. That money stays in the city and it's not split with the state. [2:14:30, 2:14:40]: It's not split for other fees if it fits within that category. There are certain things and there are certain things that we really need to take into consideration. [2:14:41, 2:14:44]: I'm more so looking at the length of time. [2:14:44, 2:14:45]: Didn't anything. [2:14:46, 2:14:47]: Um [2:14:47, 2:15:07]: At some point, I was really for code enforcement standing alone. We've had so many problems with court. Clearly, we've had some issues because we've moved it from one place to the next to this and this, and it's always a subject, it's always an issue. And when it follows, I don't want us to pinpoint quiet departments that had don't have any complaints. Not only that, I let [2:15:07, 2:15:27]: Looked at the numbers. If you look at the numbers of the data that was presented to us based off of Chief Tramer from 700 violations to 1100 or whatever that number is, there's an increase in tickets based off of violations, which means we have more. [2:15:27, 2:15:47]: eyes, more ability for um a police officer who has a vehicle, same very similar to that code enforcement officer who can radio them and he says, Hey, and by the way, we got this code violation. I need you to write this as well, right? And it can go hand in hand. I don't know if it can cross over or not, but [2:15:47, 2:15:58]: I know that police officers can write codes. I mean I can change it into a code as a solicitor I can. So I, you know, uh of state code violation I've been able to change into codes. [2:15:59, 2:16:19]: I think that some of those things may go hand in hand. I'm not saying it can't be done in the community development. I'm saying when I look and hear the arguments that have been made or the points that have been made, the length of time has not been given. I don't know all the processes and I [2:16:19, 2:16:39]: I don't know all the codes. I don't. I also don't know all the scenarios to the complaints. One of the complaints I've heard if it's one of the previous is possibly um a trailer or tractor trailer or cars being parked out on side of the road and they're renting those cars out or they're selling those cars out and then [2:16:39, 2:16:59]: Then you talk about what's the time length of when were those cars removed and if it was a period of time that they weren't there and then all of a sudden they come back, you know, you give them a notice, they fix it, and then months later, does it toll? Does it, you know, are you able to write a citation after they haven't done it in two or three months? And so I just there's a bunch of questions there. [2:16:59, 2:17:07]: Have there knowing whether or not it was resolved and then it happens again. But uh and so [2:17:08, 2:17:28]: I don't want to sound like I'm rambling, but I do I do have some concerns about switching um the code enforcement at this time due to what we have had as seven months as the per the oldest the person who's been here has [2:17:27, 2:17:47]: Has been here for seven months and we're talking about codes and their ability, not saying that that they wouldn't work together, but that they are pretty much within somewhat of the same department. And so I I do take that into consideration. I do, I would prefer to hear some of the complaints. [2:17:47, 2:18:02]: And whether or not those issues were resolved or it should it be something that I'm extremely I should be extremely alert or concerned about. But I don't [2:18:04, 2:18:24]: I don't know how to put this. I I think that we're what we're saying is we wanna see it improved. I think that's across the board. Everybody would like to see it improved. But if the numbers are saying that it actually improved in a department, why would I take it back down to a department that it had less numbers in? Even though it wasn't [2:18:24, 2:18:33]: [8314.2, 8316.3]: But I'm I'm a numbers person. [2:18:38, 2:18:39]: If it improved. [2:18:40, 2:18:48]: And we're talking about enforcing regulations on laws, whether it's our code law or the legal law. [2:18:49, 2:18:53]: then you know, do we give it a shot and see if it's gonna work and [2:18:53, 2:18:59]: There's another thing, a last thing I want to talk about, and I talked about it one time before Mr. Gardner. [2:18:59, 2:19:01]: We often times [2:19:02, 2:19:15]: Fuss about why things weren't done a specific way. I've heard this several times. Oh we need a fence. You better we need a fence. These homeless people are coming over here and they're putting this we need to put that fence up. [2:19:15, 2:19:35]: Well, there are laws. We don't have a right to put a fence on a private property. We gotta meet and find the owner. We look them up and they're ABC 123 LLC. Who's the owner of that ABC 123 LLC? Then we look and we have to find an agent. Then we find the agent, but we still have to find the owner. So there is, there are processes that can be complicated. We learned that. [2:19:35, 2:19:38]: that when we tried to do a C I D. [2:19:39, 2:19:59]: It's hard when you're trying to find the owner sometimes. So what happens with that is, and the why why I brought that up is again, I want us to meet with our planning and zoning attorney who can stipulate and actually narrow down some of these codes and clean up some of this stuff so that [2:19:59, 2:20:07]: That we wouldn't have a road project that took eight months or a year to do, or a house that took three years to get built. [2:20:07, 2:20:10]: Right? Or an a whole tail. [2:20:10, 2:20:15]: That has taken forever to get built. We can write codes. [2:20:16, 2:20:20]: That's our responsibility, Mayor Council, to approve and have someone do that. [2:20:21, 2:20:23]: Акші фіксєс проблем. [2:20:24, 2:20:28]: That code enforcement can't fix because the law isn't written that way. [2:20:29, 2:20:33]: We spent two years talking about parking on the street. We still don't have a solution. [2:20:35, 2:20:39]: So I say that to say it's not about [2:20:40, 2:20:45]: The code enforcement necessarily we have to take accountability too by putting the together [2:20:46, 2:20:50]: The right laws and rules and codes in order for them to be enforced. [2:20:53, 2:21:13]: And that's it. That's all I have to say on it. And I hope you understand what I'm saying. I just don't feel that it's I I've I made a vow that I was gonna go by doing things right. And I am dissecting every single thing. When I hear it, if it makes sense, I'm gonna do what's right. [2:21:13, 2:21:33]: Or I'm gonna do based off of not, oh, it's not working. I didn't like the way this happened or turned out, not saying that that happened this time, but I also have to be reasonable too. And so I want to at least give the police department that chance to make sure that we make [2:21:33, 2:21:35]: Make it right. That's all. [2:21:36, 2:21:38]: Mr. Thomas, go ahead please. Thank you. [2:21:41, 2:21:43]: Let me just start out by saying [2:21:44, 2:21:52]: I have been dealing with code enforcement issues pretty much my full tenure on the council. [2:21:53, 2:21:55]: And the chief knows since he'd been here. [2:21:56, 2:22:04]: I've been in his ear and complaining almost every day, ever since Mr. Gardner been here. So I'm just saying to this counselor. [2:22:05, 2:22:13]: This is not new to me. I I've been in these trenches dealing with this. Y'all perspective on it may be a little different from mine. [2:22:14, 2:22:20]: I've researched. I have all of the codes. I've studied. I know the codes. [2:22:21, 2:22:23]: Every city in Henry County. [2:22:24, 2:22:26]: Code enforcement is under community development. [2:22:27, 2:22:29]: That's just one aspect. [2:22:30, 2:22:32]: And Mr. Gardner knows this. [2:22:33, 2:22:35]: There's one issue right now. [2:22:37, 2:22:38]: In Stockbridge. [2:22:39, 2:22:40]: Did I've been [2:22:41, 2:22:45]: Beating him up every day for the how many years you been here? [2:22:45, 2:22:49]: Almost three. How many? Almost three. Two years. Okay. [2:22:49, 2:22:51]: Every day. [2:22:53, 2:22:55]: And nothing has changed. [2:22:57, 2:23:07]: Well, I mean uh you gave me an update, but I'm just saying the house is still standing. I'm about results. Yes sir. I honest I know due process. Yes sir. [2:23:08, 2:23:17]: I was here to how the property that Ward Don purchased. I was here when we went through that process and went through the courts. [2:23:17, 2:23:20]: Located the owner out of state. [2:23:21, 2:23:22]: Brought him into court. [2:23:23, 2:23:31]: Patted his hand. He decided that he didn't want the property. He deeded the property to the city. So I'm just saying, I've been in these trenches. [2:23:31, 2:23:32]: Listen. [2:23:32, 2:23:42]: The city is not made up of subdivisions where you have a HOA to deal with issues. The city is more than that. [2:23:43, 2:23:44]: When we look [2:23:45, 2:23:50]: When I get the complaints from these businesses and they looking across and they see a pop up [2:23:51, 2:23:52]: Trail of selling. [2:23:53, 2:23:55]: I shouldn't have to run to anybody. [2:23:55, 2:23:57]: To to say this? [2:24:00, 2:24:13]: We c I have to go and listen, I I know code enforcement, these these officers. I don't have no problem with them. I see them on the street and I stop and we chat. So I don't wanna throw any dirt on them. [2:24:14, 2:24:17]: I think this is the support. [2:24:17, 2:24:19]: That they do not have. [2:24:20, 2:24:23]: We get emails, all of these councils know we get emails. [2:24:23, 2:24:25]: From people [2:24:26, 2:24:37]: I'm just saying, I don't listen, like I said before, we can come up here and we can talk and we can sugarcoat it all day long. [2:24:37, 2:24:42]: I look at the results and when I see something that's continuously going [2:24:43, 2:24:46]: Over and over and over en over. [2:24:47, 2:25:00]: And nothing is happening. That's the problem that I have. And the chief knows this. He and I talk. I don't copy this counsel on my communication when I speak to the chief, when I speak to Mr. Gardner. We one on one. [2:25:01, 2:25:03]: And they know my frustration. [2:25:03, 2:25:10]: And the things that I point out are real. And they've been standing for years and nothing has happened. [2:25:11, 2:25:18]: These businesses that come up and pop up at these service station and sell food and you got a business across the street that's complaining. [2:25:18, 2:25:21]: It happens every weekend for years. [2:25:24, 2:25:26]: So I'm just saying. [2:25:26, 2:25:35]: We as council members, we don't have to want to write you all down and say, well, this is going on, this is going on, this is going on. We just want folk to do their job. [2:25:36, 2:25:37]: That is why [2:25:38, 2:25:40]: I'm in favor of making a move. [2:25:40, 2:25:41]: Listen. [2:25:42, 2:25:43]: Police department [2:25:43, 2:25:44]: Can [2:25:45, 2:25:50]: Patrol and and even I have some issue with that, but that's a whole different subject, a whole different day. [2:25:51, 2:25:52]: But I'm just saying. [2:25:54, 2:26:07]: If we're going to deal with code enforcement and like I say, no throwing no dirt on my council members, but I talk this every day to the chief, to Mr. Garner. Every day. [2:26:08, 2:26:10]: about code enforcement issues. [2:26:11, 2:26:12]: What is not happening? [2:26:13, 2:26:26]: The only reason some of these things are happening, because I'm complaining every day. That's why I some movement. Mr. Gardner give me some update. But look, Mr. Gardner, but look at how I just beat you down. [2:26:27, 2:26:31]: Just to get whatever results that I get. I don't need to do that. [2:26:32, 2:26:34]: You that's not your job either. [2:26:35, 2:26:40]: Folks code enforcement just need to be out in the street just doing what they do. [2:26:41, 2:26:54]: I'm just disappointed because I I see the issues and nothing is being happened about those issues. I'm not hearing all of this talk about this and about that, the sugar coating. [2:26:55, 2:26:56]: I'm about the results. [2:26:58, 2:27:00]: And I don't see the results. [2:27:01, 2:27:03]: The citizens [2:27:03, 2:27:04]: That elect us. [2:27:05, 2:27:07]: They want to see results from us and [2:27:08, 2:27:11]: Mr. Garden, you are not elected a official? [2:27:11, 2:27:13]: Chief Chairman, you are not elected official. [2:27:14, 2:27:17]: But we are. We take a beating out here. [2:27:19, 2:27:24]: We take a beating every day. Some of it warrant it and some of it is not. [2:27:24, 2:27:29]: But I have tough skin. It d it doesn't bother me. It comes with the territory. [2:27:31, 2:27:35]: It comes with the territory. But when it comes to code enforcement. [2:27:36, 2:27:38]: And I'm not talking about grass cutting. [2:27:39, 2:27:46]: If your grass need cut and you go out and say, hey, owner, you need to cut the grass, they come back next week and cut the grass. I'm not talking about things like that. [2:27:48, 2:28:01]: But there's a an abandoned house that's a nuisance. I've studied nuisance and abatement. But there's a house that's a nuisance that's been there for four years and the house is still standing. [2:28:02, 2:28:09]: That's the problem that I have. A house that was burnt out three years ago, and that house is still standing. [2:28:09, 2:28:13]: And I understand due process, but does it take four years? [2:28:16, 2:28:18]: To get this house torn down. [2:28:19, 2:28:22]: And see, just like the house that War Dunn purchased. [2:28:23, 2:28:27]: We brought this guy into court, he came out and he decided what? [2:28:28, 2:28:38]: He did not want to go through the changes of tearing the house down. He deeded it over. That was as best the the city went ahead and did the car. It was a dumping ground. [2:28:40, 2:28:44]: It was a dumping ground and folk were dumping, dumping, dumping. [2:28:44, 2:28:50]: And I'm coming back to the city. We got to do something. We got to do but nothing happened. [2:28:53, 2:28:56]: Davis and Parway, the encampment. [2:28:58, 2:29:05]: Look what I had to do to get that resolve. I should not have been in that lane trying to get that resolve. [2:29:07, 2:29:09]: I had to stay [2:29:10, 2:29:13]: On staff every day to get that done. [2:29:14, 2:29:17]: But if fine that should not be my role. [2:29:19, 2:29:24]: That should have been caught years in advance, but it was not. [2:29:25, 2:29:27]: If you ask the question why? [2:29:27, 2:29:31]: I'm not gonna throw that dirt on anyone to say why? [2:29:32, 2:29:34]: But it's about the results. [2:29:34, 2:29:35]: So [2:29:36, 2:29:46]: Listen, and I don't want to just beat up anybody, but listen, you can come up here and talk about all it is that you wanna talk about. It's not gonna faze me. [2:29:47, 2:29:52]: But if there's a house in the community that's a nuisance and that house is down [2:29:52, 2:29:53]: That's what moves me. [2:29:56, 2:29:57]: That's what moves me. [2:29:58, 2:30:00]: If I see a business [2:30:00, 2:30:06]: that's complaining about there's someone in a pop-up trailer taking his business. [2:30:06, 2:30:10]: Every weekend, every weekend. [2:30:11, 2:30:19]: There's one location that I know this council, they see it all the time. Every weekend, there's a trailer at this service station selling food. [2:30:20, 2:30:23]: Every week and every Friday, Saturday. [2:30:24, 2:30:29]: And we're not gonna even talk about the other house. And the chief know exactly what I'm talking about. [2:30:30, 2:30:31]: Folks say [2:30:32, 2:30:33]: Why? [2:30:34, 2:30:42]: This house that's been doing this for 10 years, I know we only had the police department just for a few years. [2:30:43, 2:30:46]: But why can't this house be taken down? [2:30:47, 2:30:48]: Wow. [2:30:50, 2:30:53]: See that that that those are my issues right there. [2:30:54, 2:30:57]: So my recomm recommendation still [2:30:58, 2:30:59]: To move it. [2:30:59, 2:31:01]: But even moving it. [2:31:01, 2:31:02]: Council. [2:31:02, 2:31:07]: We got to give the two uh if this council decide to let it stay under the post department. [2:31:07, 2:31:12]: We got to give them the tools. We got to give everything that's needed. [2:31:13, 2:31:15]: In order for them to be successful. [2:31:17, 2:31:26]: But I'm still in favor of moving it under community development and just let police just deal with public safety, neighborhood patrol, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. [2:31:28, 2:31:36]: Because I even have issues there as well. And the chief knows we talk all the time. But I understand the difficulties and the problems that we have in policing. [2:31:37, 2:31:41]: But when it comes to code enforcement, the issues that I bring up are [2:31:42, 2:31:44]: These issues just didn't happen yesterday. [2:31:45, 2:31:47]: It's years. [2:31:47, 2:31:48]: And nothing has happened. [2:31:49, 2:32:00]: That's why I'm frustrated. That's why I'd rather make a move and just give the next man up or the next department up all of the resources they need to do. [2:32:00, 2:32:02]: To get the job done. [2:32:03, 2:32:08]: So it's up to the council, but my recommendations still stand as far as actually moving it. [2:32:09, 2:32:11]: And then if it doesn't work there. [2:32:12, 2:32:15]: You still have to do what you have to do,'cause the bottom line is what? [2:32:15, 2:32:17]: We got to get it done. [2:32:17, 2:32:19]: Regardless of where it is. [2:32:19, 2:32:20]: If you put it under the [2:32:20, 2:32:21]: The city clerk. [2:32:23, 2:32:24]: It's gotta get done. [2:32:25, 2:32:29]: I'm just saying, it doesn't matter. We got to get this done. [2:32:29, 2:32:34]: And we as the elected body, it's incumbent upon all of us. [2:32:36, 2:32:39]: And I know all of us we could talk about these stories. [2:32:40, 2:32:50]: But in subdivision, you don't have all of these issues. But the city's made up of more than subdivision. It's made up of more than Eagles Land and Parkway. [2:32:54, 2:32:57]: I year back, Mayor. Thank you. Appreciate it. Mayor Pro Tem, go ahead, please. [2:32:58, 2:33:16]: I'm I'm I'm not really in favor of us moving something if we're not gonna support it, right? And if we haven't given the initial PD the same resources and support to effectively shore it up, then moving it doesn't fix anything. It just moves the problem. [2:33:16, 2:33:36]: If if if we're not as a counselor, we're not gonna put the resources in code enforcement to make sure code enforcement is supported by the software that's needed, the enhancements that's needed, the the training that's needed so that they are familiar with the codes. That's setting Mr. Ryan up for failure if you move it over to [2:33:36, 2:33:42]: him and and he's inheriting that mess, why you gonna give somebody else somebody else's mess? [2:33:43, 2:33:47]: Make make the right change where is that, y'all? Like [2:33:50, 2:33:57]: I got to make it a little bit more. Can can I make what what what you didn't hear from Mr. Ryan was [2:33:58, 2:34:05]: What did he say? He said he's going to make it work. He's made a commitment to make it work. Chief, [2:34:06, 2:34:21]: I don't know where the commitment is in the police department, but for me, that's the difference right there. I'm okay. Now I'm just gonna say this. I know uh Councilman Alexander, we've had this conversation, but if you wanna go back, if you wanna stay with police department. [2:34:22, 2:34:23]: Just no. [2:34:23, 2:34:25]: Just no. [2:34:25, 2:34:29]: that we are going to be working and making sure that it works. [2:34:30, 2:34:30]: At all. [2:34:31, 2:34:43]: All right, thank you. Uh Fred, do you have something right quicker, sir? Real quick, my counseling and it's okay if it is you know. I I I hear the concerns and I've heard and obviously we're we're [2:34:43, 2:35:03]: I think what you heard from Chief is they're moving in the direction to take advantage of certain technologies to make it better. I would I would ask this request of the council. Um let's give this till the mid year to see if you see the changes that you guys have been they've seen heard the complaints about in [2:35:03, 2:35:07]: And if it isn't, we make an adjustment and move it. [2:35:07, 2:35:08]: Um [2:35:09, 2:35:29]: And that's just the ax that I put before the council to to give give them a little bit more time to to do some things. And if you don't see the difference, if if we can't quantify it, move it. Wholeheartedly move it, whether it's its own department or not, move it. Um but just give [2:35:28, 2:35:35]: us that time to to make those changes and adjustments because I I agree. [2:35:35, 2:35:35]: Um [2:35:36, 2:35:39]: with council member Thomas and he has been on my back. [2:35:39, 2:35:40]: About that. [2:35:41, 2:36:01]: uh Wilson Avenue and finally we got the court to give us the order. I think it went to court this two Fridays ago. Um and Chief Wells is working in collaboration. So we've got date on it. It's over a year so now we can go forward. So that hopefully we'll get that torn down fairly fairly quickly in the new year. Um but give us the [2:36:01, 2:36:12]: that opportunity to just see how it works for the n and over the next six months. Um and then let's revisit and go from there if that's if that's if that's the pleasure. [2:36:15, 2:36:35]: I I'm going to get to Captain Alexander next, if you don't mind, sir. On that note, Mr. Alexander, go ahead please. Well well, yeah, since you asked me. Yeah, I have something to say. I think it should stay with the with the chief and give them an opportunity to continue to be successful. That's my thoughts. But you all gonna have to vote on that unless you give me an opportunity. [2:36:34, 2:36:54]: But I would see I will support the police department on what they're doing and and and keep it right where it is and allow from this last little bit that uh uh Mr. Gardner just mentioned about a a time frame of six months to write reevaluated at that point if you need to move it, move it then if it comes to that agreement. That's what I would say. Now you have a comment, sir. What I s what I have to say is I had hope that I'm gonna do that. [2:36:54, 2:36:56]: That we hadn't had to go here. [2:36:57, 2:37:17]: I would had hoped that we would have been able to talk it out and not having to go to where we have to decide and have to criticize what's been going on because the results have been unacceptable. Uh I'm not looking at numbers, I'm looking at the results. And the results are North Henry Boulevard still look like it looked. [2:37:17, 2:37:37]: 138 still looked like it looked. Multiple complaints have been made on Hudson Bridge and Eagles Landing. We write it up, the same thing occurs again. There's no movement, there's no action toward getting a sustained result into moving things the way that they need to go. Now, I firmly have a lot of people who are not going to [2:37:37, 2:37:57]: believe, my own belief. You just don't the this I don't want the police and the code enforcement together. I don't. I don't want somebody intimidated by the code enforcement offer driving up. I want them to be out there independent, doing what they need to do. I don't want them looking at 911 thinking the person's gonna call 911. [2:37:56, 2:38:16]: I want them doing it, interpreting the code the way that they should, not attached to the police department. I never agree, I never wanted this to be in the first place. Mr. Gardner, you suggested this. There was not a it did not come from council. You suggested that we move it here. It would be easier because [2:38:16, 2:38:19]: [9499.7, 9502.9]: W how long have this been under police department? [2:38:23, 2:38:35]: Three years now. Oh two years. No, no. I think from l last year, January twenty three so it's been another year. Oh no. Because if you remember you started the police department in July of two thousand you've been here? [2:38:37, 2:38:39]: Hold on a second. Come on, come to the podium. [2:38:40, 2:38:46]: To answer the question is that Chief Chief should be able to answer a question. [2:38:46, 2:38:51]: Ms. Ryan, you've been here three years, right? Well two years and eight eight months. [2:38:51, 2:39:00]: Right. Now we g we're gonna get the answer and then in terms of you we we this this was changed out of the apartment shortly after you arrived, right? [2:39:00, 2:39:12]: Yes, sir. Shortly after I arrive, yes. Right. So you've been here two years or eight months. So that one year doesn't j tell me how we get one year if it was how do we rectify that in our h it's been more than one year. I know it's been more than one year. [2:39:14, 2:39:16]: Clerk said it's been two years, I'm not sure. [2:39:16, 2:39:36]: So what so what's the answer? What's the real name? I if that's the answer, G is that's the answer, G? It's it's two years. When Miss Carter was over there, she was over it, he was working with Miss Carter. When Miss Carter left, Ryan took over. Police department officially came over and the budget was transferred in January of twenty twenty three. So it's not even if we're we're two years. [2:39:36, 2:39:56]: years now at the end of this year. Right, you're t you you're two years in in terms of where we are now. Now do I do I think the job can be done? Do I think that you all could get around to it? But I just don't see the passion behind the police department and code enforcement. I see passion in enforcing the law. [2:39:56, 2:40:14]: I see that. And I see there's a like there's a line between, uh, you know, that's that's not really police work. And that's what I'm feeling in terms of how we do things in in the interpretations and the enforcement, because the enforcement is [2:40:15, 2:40:17]: As Mayor Pro Tem Berry said. [2:40:18, 2:40:38]: They're gett how many actual citations and fines have we actually administered? Every year we see that number and it's like almost nothing. Where they have gone through the process, the same people go back through the process again, and in the end, nothing significant happens to them. There's no fine or sit. [2:40:38, 2:40:58]: [9658.0, 9670.9]: terms of the overall violations. But my question would be, are they just repeat violations that we keep writing people up? Because I don't see b behavioral corrections in the activity going on in the city. [2:41:11, 2:41:31]: With these being ordinance violations, I mean we're not jailing somebody for these violations. I mean, the first time we go in, we violate somebody, they decide they don't want to cut their grass, they don't want to clean something in, we come back in, we violate them, the fines are increased for the second violation. Subsequent violations, the fines are increased. At some point in time, maybe the financial implication is going to get [2:41:31, 2:41:51]: them to correct their behavior. But if you've there have been a number of instances where you all have have asked for follow-up and we've been able to supply you with where we are with this and what we've done and we followed up and there's been multiple notice of violations or citations or things like that. And so the implication is there's nothing being done and that's not the reality. These things, as Mr. Gardner said, they take [2:41:51, 2:42:11]: time in order to resolve. They don't happen overnight. We can't go down here and cite everybody and expect to see North Henry or whatever change overnight. It's a process. And the fact that we've and I I'm not making excuses, the fact that we've had challenges and turnover and maybe not good leadership that's provided good direction and focus on what it is that we need to is all part of [2:42:11, 2:42:31]: This. And as the chief, I ultimately, code enforcement's under me, I have to take responsibility for that. What I'm asking you for is I'm asking you for what we need. I'm asking you to give me a manager so that we can hire somebody in with the skill set, with the training that's that the in the positions financially incentivized enough so we can provide that direction. Because I'll be the first to tell you I'm not an expert. [2:42:31, 2:42:51]: I know that Major Godfrey had code enforcement in Clayton County, it falls under the police department, falls under the police department in Henry County, it works in both areas. And you know, I I'd like to think that we are responsive to those things. As the chief of this community, when a community member calls with a concern, I'm all about resolving it. So if there are repeat issues that are not being resolved, and there's some things like kind of [2:42:51, 2:43:11]: Councilman Thomas had mentioned about certain properties as we're talking about things not code enforcement, investigative related, those things take time. They take uh it is a process involved to resolve those issues. But again, I and I think you were talking in some hyperbole, Councilman Thomas, because we don't talk every day. I know you've called me about some issues. There are some things, but I'd like to thank the [2:43:11, 2:43:31]: to the things that you have called us about that we've had an explanation for those things. And perhaps you don't want to call about the folks that are, you know, and you shouldn't have to. As a matter of fact, I just to show you how I pay attention to things, I'm driving down North Henry. I see all these semi trucks parked in a Walmart parking lot. And I have to have a meeting with the team and say, This is not acceptable. We're not going to have this. We're not going to have these cars parked out here. [2:43:31, 2:43:51]: And we're gonna go out and we're gonna do something about this. So when I see these things, when I'm driving home at North Henry in 138 and see the car parked there, I'm calling people and saying we need to do these. So I'm seeing these things. We're directing people. And again, we just hired uh two code enforcement officers within the last three months. And so I'm just asking for an opportunity to get ahead of this. I [2:43:51, 2:44:01]: I believe that you'll see results. And if you don't, then hold me accountable. Move it someplace else. But I'm just asking for an opportunity to address this issue. That's all I'm asking for. And um [2:44:01, 2:44:21]: Yeah that that's really I know we've talked about this a lot. That's all that that's all I'm asking for. If you don't and again, if we need to provide counsel with reports on a monthly basis about what we're doing, what violations have been issued, whatever you need, we can provide you with the data. We'd like to get to a point where you can see that or citizens can see that themselves. But I'm about business, I'm about results. I mean we have significant [2:44:21, 2:44:41]: Decreases in crime, I want to see the same things with code enforcement. I take this personally. And personally, I take it as an affront when there's this discussion about things not working. I take that personally. I want to fix it. And if at the end of the day it doesn't work out and it's not what it is, then then make the decisions you need to. But we really haven't been in a position [2:44:41, 2:45:00]: Where we've been able to move. We had somebody in a position that I believed understood what they were doing, but obviously they weren't. I didn't select that person in a leadership role. Give me an opportunity to select my person and to make the changes that we need to make. And I believe that we'll see different outcomes. [2:45:01, 2:45:21]: I want you focused on crime. I don't want I I for you asking me, I want you focused on doing exactly what you just said. Cutting the crime in the city of Stockbridge. I don't really personally want you focusing on those items. I want you doing what we brought and spent this money doing and put our political [2:45:21, 2:45:24]: careers on stage four is to [2:45:25, 2:45:45]: Keep crime down and that be your singular focus. I don't want this to be a distraction, and I don't want it to be your focus for the next six months, two days, or anything. I want crime to always be your top focus, and I don't want this ball over here going up and down that's been a challenge to the city for the last eight years. [2:45:45, 2:45:56]: to distract you and get your eye off of the ball which is crime. That was where we started, that's where we ended at, and that's where we want to end it at. And when I say that, I say that's to mean, listen. [2:45:57, 2:46:17]: And I and and you just said it right. You're not trying to make excuses. But the as and that's why I want the time frame to be what the time frame is. It's been two years, as you said, or right close at two years. The longest person has been here, how long again, seven or eight months? Who's responsible for that? [2:46:19, 2:46:39]: For the f for the the hiring of these staff members and that retention, what is going on to cause these people not to be retained? Who's responsible for hiring them and the turnover that we've had in the department? What causes the turnover in the department? Mayor. Yeah, yes, ma'am. I would like to pause that sound. [2:46:39, 2:46:56]: like an execution. Executive session. Right. Sounds like secondary session. Um discussion. Yeah, got it. I think we need to discuss that in executive session if we're gonna have any discussion on let me just say this. We can certainly have that in executive session, but ultimately who's responsible for hiring and maintaining these people? [2:46:57, 2:47:14]: The the hiring's my responsibility. But what I explained to you is that I inherited certain people that that that are no longer with the department. The people that I've hired are still with us and they're making productive contributions. And and I'm asking everybody that I have hired is still with us. They haven't left. [2:47:15, 2:47:18]: The people that here are no longer with us, I didn't hire them. Okay. [2:47:19, 2:47:39]: Good deal. So the people that you have? Three people. Okay. And those they're being I inherited two people. You inherited two. They're no longer with us. They're three here, and we're looking for one more. Correct. Okay, so we're looking for one more to come aboard. Now, my contention is, and I say this again, is not but your professional. [2:47:39, 2:47:59]: Performance in terms of overall doing the job in in in tail. But I want you focused on crime. I don't want this ball over here, this explosive ball over here taking your eye off of that for any period of time. And to accomplish what we're talking about accomplishing here is gonna take somebody [2:47:58, 2:48:05]: in ingrained into that almost twenty-four hours a day to fix this problem. [2:48:06, 2:48:26]: Every day because it is a problem, as Councilman Thomas has described, that's been going on for a decade right now. Now, if we move it to community development, I want to give them everything that we talked about doing with all the resources that we talked about doing. And I still want the police department standing there. [2:48:26, 2:48:46]: To support them in everything that you said you would do if it was under the police department, under his department, because his people eventually are gonna have to be involved anyway, because they're the ones interpreting the code. When there is a violation, they have to be consulted or legal have to be consulted. So they got to be. [2:48:46, 2:49:06]: Be in the mix at some point. My contention was to bring them into the process earlier. So when the code enforcement officers out there, they're not calling in to the police, they're calling in to them to say, listen, Mr. Anderson, what is code section 18 on this right here? I see this violation, being proactive, because the biggest issue [2:49:06, 2:49:11]: [10151.5, 10159.6]: Being a priority. This is my priority every day. If I got a homicide on the other side of the town. [2:49:20, 2:49:40]: Where is my priority going to be on this code in violation? It can't be in the same two places because those two things are A and one is A and one is Z. And that has been my contention right there from the beginning. And I said this when that was proposed that I wanted to have these separated, not in the tack on the police. [2:49:40, 2:49:56]: department but I just do not believe in in my heart of hearts that you can make this your priority 247 when there's an armed robbery over here, there's a burglary over there and there's something else going over there. How can it possibly be your top priority? [2:49:58, 2:50:00]: Okay, on that note, uh Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [2:50:00, 2:50:12]: I wanted to ask Chief Tramer, are you able to bring a plan, um plan of action to the council and let's continue this discussion during our what winter retreat? [2:50:12, 2:50:20]: Absolutely. Okay. I support just leaving it with the police department um right now. Um [2:50:21, 2:50:41]: I wanna remind us this item is the final reading and adoption of the FY twenty twenty five operating budget. That's correct. I have to open up the to the public here and if that's as soon as everybody's just uh finished discussing. If you you were the last person because you hadn't spoken anything earlier. So on that note we can do that. So it is uh I'll just have one more comment. Come on, we'll [2:50:41, 2:50:47]: I'm gonna keep it brief. The answer every time we have a problem can't be to just throw money at it. [2:50:47, 2:51:07]: Can't be one night. It can't just be to throw more money at. I know we need more resources on this, but the resources need to be effective. And effective with the adding more resources is we've added more people to it. We certainly need to make sure that we're being as effective and efficient as we possibly can. But we've gone from [2:51:07, 2:51:27]: From a$5.6 million budget to an$8 million budget, and now we're adding more money for the code enforcement. At some point the answer cannot be just putting more resources to the situation. It's got to be more productivity and it's got to be more of a focus. [2:51:27, 2:51:47]: Now I'm I'm I'm conducive. It seems like the council is leaning toward uh, you know, maybe punting this, maybe to the next opportunity. But I don't want to have to come back and justify that the police department is not doing a good job or whatever the case may be. It has just always been my firm belief, not in the performance, but in the separation. [2:51:47, 2:52:05]: of administrative from police. And and honestly, and I'm gonna say this and I want it to be the most kind way. The police department, you guys are out there, you're doing a lot of community engagement and what have you to do what you need to do. And I want to make sure I don't say this in an offensive way. [2:52:05, 2:52:25]: you you you're concerned about your public image and thing that you want. I'm not sure code enforcement can be overly concerned about their their public perception and whether or not it's it it's it's we're we're being liked or we the good guys today or or what have you. So I I d I won't I want in my [2:52:25, 2:52:45]: eyes and I've said it again up here at this council, a zero tolerance crackdown on the violations that every last one of them are proactively uh gone after and that we clean up North Henry Boulevard because I'm tired of hearing about it from people. I'm tired of hearing about Highway 138 and how it looks. I won't [2:52:45, 2:53:05]: to see the results. Thank you. All right, I'll tell you what. Let's make this a last comment. Do we have executive session? Excuse me now. Do we have executive session? Uh well yeah we will have executive session sir. We we will have let executive session talk over some per uh some uh uh real estate issues but uh I need to move on this is uh this is open uh uh public hearing the reading [2:53:05, 2:53:08]: No, yes, I just wanna say let's let's take it there. [2:53:08, 2:53:24]: Well, uh we're gonna make a take a vote before that, sir, actually. All right, so so this is actually uh a public hearing. So on my very left side, is anybody had any comments uh for this uh budget and all the con discussion we've had? And my very left, in the middle. [2:53:25, 2:53:43]: My very right. Okay, anybody have any comments against uh what was going on on my very left, in the middle, my very right. So I need uh see no comments one way or the other on that aspect. So I'll close that part out. Now, um what I think um sorry. Yes, ma'am. [2:53:46, 2:53:50]: No I have no public comments for or against the the the the the budget that's before us. [2:53:51, 2:53:55]: Oh sorry, but there was one. So there um [2:53:56, 2:54:00]: has been a um I've received an email [2:54:00, 2:54:15]: Um I received an email where someone wants their comment read into the record as a public hearing comment for the budget. Is it f for the for the budget? [2:54:15, 2:54:16]: Okay. [2:54:17, 2:54:19]: You you have that and you'll be able to provide that? [2:54:21, 2:54:22]: Council's discretion. [2:54:24, 2:54:24]: Okay. [2:54:25, 2:54:27]: Is it for or against? [2:54:28, 2:54:31]: Is it for a comet for or f or comet against? [2:54:31, 2:54:33]: Well, yeah. [2:54:34, 2:54:34]: Yeah. [2:54:39, 2:54:42]: They can eat they can send it. We can release. [2:54:47, 2:54:49]: Um it's a request. [2:54:50, 2:54:50]: Yeah. [2:54:50, 2:54:53]: Something to be in the budget. [2:54:55, 2:54:58]: Okay. [2:55:07, 2:55:27]: Mayor, I have a question about that though. What what? Before Miss Holiday. This is public comments for the budget. So it's open we're doing public com public hearing. Right. And so someone sent an email that wants us wants it to be read. [2:55:27, 2:55:43]: can't be present. Are we gonna set that precedent for the future? That is why I said it's uh mayor and council discretion because it is not the norm. It's not the norm. Usually the person is here in public and they are making their public comment. Now if this is the where we're headed [2:55:44, 2:55:53]: Then we set it for one, we have to set it for all. And I'm not against it or for I'm not for or against. I'm just making it known so that I guess mayor and council can know. [2:55:54, 2:56:14]: Where we are. What's the circumstances around it? Were are they unable to attend? It does not say. It does not say. And how long have you had it? I got it at five fifty eight PM today. And I can say that I can put the record um what we have done before. We can put it in the meeting notes, but [2:56:14, 2:56:16]: [10576.6, 10596.6]: I I think before we set a precedent for it there has to be some mitigating reasons for doing it and two minutes before without some type of rationale behind their inability to attend in person because we post the meetings, we post when they're being held, we post the time, the calendar in advance, and we've already said what the tone was. That's that's [2:56:36, 2:56:56]: Just my opinion. All right. Yes, sir. Honestly, this is what happened. Uh uh Mr. It's the me email from Mr. Marshall. Yes. And he um had indicated that he wanted to make some comments about the general budget. Uh certainly he said he was unable to make it and that he wanted to have these comments. [2:56:56, 2:57:16]: uh into the record uh because uh this was budgetary information. Apparently you know we're here there's nobody here and certainly uh in those circumstances there's nobody it's not like it's extending the meeting but at the same time I wouldn't certainly not want to set a precedence that we were really [2:57:16, 2:57:36]: Read every email into each one of these. So we're right, we're not going to read it. We're not going to read it. So anyway, so no comments for or against on on the public here in this aspect. So because we had an extensive conversation about the code enforcement and it's on the it's on approval for the budget, I'm assuming uh Mr. Quinn. [2:57:36, 2:57:47]: Quentin. I'm assuming that we'll have to make a a vote in reference to the code enforcement remaining or leaving prior to overall approving the budget. Would that be a a best thing to do? [2:57:50, 2:57:51]: Sir, if you wanna come to the mic here? [2:57:58, 2:58:15]: If there's a specific directive about it, it would be best encapsulated in an ordinance because you'd be changing the actual code from them being under the police department because they're under it by code. You'd be changing them wherever you would change them to and how you change them would best be encapsulated in an ordinance. [2:58:16, 2:58:17]: Okay. [2:58:18, 2:58:35]: But what it is is what it is, we've got approved the approval the budget. And this this is like a subset of that. So I didn't know uh the what the motion should look like to approve the the budget or whatever or d well, I would imagine we'll approve the budget, but I just wanna make sure there should be in there a b uh the budget or the budget adoption ordinance. [2:58:35, 2:58:41]: We submitted that the budget adoption ordinance, we submitted that uh a couple of months ago, was that? [2:58:42, 2:58:44]: Is that [2:58:45, 2:59:00]: There there is a budget adoption ordinance, but there were changes that were requested at the December ninth meeting. So those changes would need to be inserted into that document, whatever those changes. [2:59:01, 2:59:19]: Right. That's correct. All right, so I'm looking for a motion f to accept the the budget as as proposed here, but under under it has several different options for the code enforcement. So we b uh I'm I'm assuming that we've got to sam s agree to whether or not it's gonna stay or be removed [2:59:19, 2:59:39]: I think a couple of different things. Mr. Since you have a budget, since you have a budget, since you have a since you have a budget document. Yes. Right. If you're changing, if your line item changing that document, they need to be in the clerk's notes about what the will of counsel is. Okay. Right? Then at that point, monies and all that stuff, which are in the budget adoption ordinance, will be done. [2:59:39, 2:59:52]: If you are debating and you want to have another action to change where a department is located, then that's something that we need to do by ordinance so that the ordinance can go into the code as to where [2:59:53, 3:00:07]: But uh w as to what you all want to happen and how you want to do that. But if there's a vote taken on whether or not to move code enforcement and and it's and the vote is not to move code enforcement, it's already in there. It's already in the police department. Right. Right. You w you can't [3:00:09, 3:00:17]: The two things need to be done separately. Right, that's what I was getting at. I thought I thought they would have to be done separately. That's what I thought. That's why I'm asking you. I thought because so otherwise [3:00:18, 3:00:35]: Yeah, because you the cause what's before the council now is just your budget adoption. That's exactly right. And whatever you're changing in your budget adoption is that document. Okay. That document is not also about moving, you know, or changing like departments. It's like if you created a department of homeland security, that's a separate [3:00:36, 3:00:56]: All right. So I'm so on that note what I've what I need to ask for is that is there a motion uh in reference to the code enforcement on where it needs to what what it is. Can we do the budget first? I think that's gonna be a lot simpler for us to just vote on the budget first. No, no, because the b if you do the budget the budget th this is a subset to that. If you do the budget then it's automatic it [3:00:56, 3:01:07]: Not hold on, not not necessarily. If we vote on the budget, it leaves it in the it leaves it where it is now in order to change it, we gotta pass an ordinance to change it. Okay, well [3:01:07, 3:01:20]: Okay, so we approve the budget, then it automatically stays where right where it is then. That's correct. Right. Well so be it. That's what I was trying to get clarification on. Right. I don't uh at at this point there's not there's not the votes here in order to in order to [3:01:21, 3:01:28]: All right. Make the change because obviously there's not the votes here in order to make the change. So I'm gonna make the motion to [3:01:28, 3:01:31]: Pay us. Vanessa, go ahead, please. [3:01:31, 3:01:35]: There were additional changes that uh Mr. Gardner [3:01:37, 3:01:39]: No. Yeah, I I got that. [3:01:40, 3:01:41]: Yeah, I got that. [3:01:42, 3:01:50]: Okay, certainly I wanted to go ahead and make the motion to um approve the budget. [3:01:51, 3:02:11]: As recommended with the additional changes that were cited uh by the city manager uh in terms of the budgetary dollar amounts. Uh as indicated by the city attorney, the option for moving the code enforcement would have to be done in an ordinance that would not be included in this project. [3:02:11, 3:02:27]: particular goal. So we will revisit that in the next motion and uh approve the budget uh as recommended with these additional changes that were made and then we'll deal with a secondary issue after this. [3:02:28, 3:02:34]: Is there a second of that motion? Uh unreadiness. Unreadiness. Yes. [3:02:34, 3:02:35]: Well Sammy. [3:02:37, 3:02:38]: Put him in. [3:02:38, 3:02:58]: Have a question. I'm not ready for the for the motion or the vote. Well what what look before you get because you missed something, Councilman Thomas the attorney told us we had to do these separate. If we wanted to move the police department out of this depart uh out of we can't do it during the budget. We'd have to we're gonna have to vote on the budget and that separately. [3:02:58, 3:03:01]: Okay, let me just be clear. Let me make sure I got this right. [3:03:01, 3:03:21]: We if you change, if you whether you vote for it or not, the number stays the same. Whether it gets allocated, am I am I calling this out? Whether it gets allocated to a different department would be the ordinance and the creation of something else if you wanted to do it. So we if the number's a dollar, it's a dollar. And if you say that that's going to be allocated to the police department. [3:03:21, 3:03:25]: or something else, that something else will be in the ordinance. Am I encapsulating that? [3:03:25, 3:03:26]: Yeah. [3:03:26, 3:03:32]: Okay. I just want to make sure that from the treasure and the city manager we got that right for y'all. I have a question. Yes, sir. [3:03:32, 3:03:39]: My unreadiness is I like to speak to um [3:03:40, 3:03:53]: a part of the budget discussion. I I want to speak to a part of the budget. So I'm not we that's what we've been doing, so you've been talking a lot. I I heard I heard a motion to adopt [3:03:54, 3:04:05]: Am I correct? But well yeah, the t what's what's we're supposed to do now is to adopt the budget for the twenty twenty five years. No, well, I'm not sure what's the one readiness is I want to speak to the budget. Well you've been speaking to the budget all along, sir. [3:04:05, 3:04:09]: W additional. Well but you d okay. If I may. [3:04:10, 3:04:14]: All right. Can we make this the last time you speak on this? Well it's not about code enforcement. [3:04:14, 3:04:19]: It's not by the code enforcement. No, it's not. But I I have a question about code enforcement. One last question. [3:04:20, 3:04:22]: Sorry. Oh, I'm cool. Go ahead. [3:04:22, 3:04:23]: I just wanna know [3:04:23, 3:04:35]: We have the the different dollar amounts if we were to go by scenario one, two, or three. I wanted to make sure there wasn't any drastic increase. Um I I'm I'm only concerned about us getting some kind of software. [3:04:36, 3:04:41]: And I wanted to make sure that the lower amount I thought was through the police department. [3:04:42, 3:04:45]: Because the resources have already been allocated there. [3:04:45, 3:05:05]: Plus, we're talking about getting some type of software besides them being putting things in Excel spreadsheet. So where are we with the dollar amount for the police department code enforcement? I see the other scenarios. I see scenario two, if they were under the community development, and I saw a scenario three. [3:05:05, 3:05:07]: if they were standalone. [3:05:08, 3:05:14]: So what is the actual dollar amount that's budgeted for twenty twenty-five? [3:05:15, 3:05:19]: Code enforcement under the police department. Where is that? [3:05:27, 3:05:29]: It's that number right there. [3:05:29, 3:05:46]: We just pulled it out with the four positions, the code supervisor and the three officers. We just pulled that number from the police department and separated it. So it it's the same number. See what I'm saying? It's the same number that it was this year. [3:05:46, 3:05:50]: The same ever all their resour their resources as it relates to what [3:05:51, 3:05:57]: The what they had for them moves over. That's the personnel. Everything that's right in front of you. [3:05:57, 3:05:59]: But that's not what I read. [3:06:01, 3:06:05]: It was like a ten thousand dollar difference from one to the next to the next. [3:06:05, 3:06:09]: So if you make it its own department and hire a director. [3:06:09, 3:06:20]: Ma'am? Uhhuh. Then obviously you're paying a director, which is a higher salary than if you pay a manager to manage in conjunction with the chief or in conjunction with [3:06:20, 3:06:27]: with this gentleman here. So obviously you're paying more for that director. So there is the ten thousand, the five five fifty [3:06:28, 3:06:37]: The five fifty six versus the the four sixty six in terms of the cost. So there's a c that's where the difference in the cost is, ma'am but [3:06:37, 3:06:38]: Okay. [3:06:38, 3:06:58]: I can't find it right now. She's not finished. Are you finished now with that? No, I'm finished now. I just wanted to make sure that the numbers didn't change and what's the difference. Was there an increase there's no increase. Okay, I'm fine. Thank you. I just want to give them that opportunity. You know what the issue is, you know we're not pleased right now, and we're given the opportunity to get that up on its feet the way it needs to be. [3:06:58, 3:07:18]: And I'm confident that it will be. Yeah. Especially with the numbers. I think when Chief was talking about the technology and what they're doing, that's that's encumbrance and part of what they the overall department and direction they're going in, and that this would be included as part of that whole initiative. But if obviously if you make it its own department or take it over, then we have to start. [3:07:18, 3:07:30]: not creating that whole line item, but under under that, we would obviously budget accordingly so it wouldn't change the underlying number, because that's what we see bringing over. So um and the technology, as we said, I mean [3:07:31, 3:07:45]: The whether it's in the police department with the police department technology or if it goes under community development where I I think Ryan is is upgrading their technology, you're gonna have the same result because either one is gonna provide for. [3:07:46, 3:08:03]: Th those same type of flow of of information, having the tough books, being able to issue e citations right on the spot. Um that either way it's gonna go that way because he's going that way with permit. That's what's on the agenda tonight. That so the softwares are still the same. [3:08:03, 3:08:04]: Go ahead, thank you. [3:08:04, 3:08:06]: Okay, Ms. Thomas, go ahead, please. [3:08:08, 3:08:11]: In reference to the budget [3:08:12, 3:08:14]: And the reclassification [3:08:15, 3:08:17]: And new position titles [3:08:18, 3:08:20]: A motion [3:08:21, 3:08:26]: to approve and fund the following positions. [3:08:27, 3:08:29]: event koordinator [3:08:31, 3:08:33]: Assistant court clerk to [3:08:35, 3:08:36]: A M I [3:08:37, 3:08:38]: Technician [3:08:39, 3:08:42]: Human resources specialists [3:08:43, 3:08:45]: Антоз. [3:08:46, 3:08:47]: Approved. [3:08:49, 3:08:51]: Vacant position [3:08:53, 3:08:55]: Until field. [3:08:55, 3:08:57]: And revisit [3:08:58, 3:08:59]: And discuss [3:08:59, 3:09:02]: The proposed job title change [3:09:02, 3:09:04]: And reclassification [3:09:05, 3:09:10]: during the twenty twenty five budget retreat. [3:09:13, 3:09:16]: Okay. It's a motion. [3:09:22, 3:09:24]: Well I will read it again if I may. [3:09:26, 3:09:28]: In reference to the budget, the [3:09:30, 3:09:32]: Reclassifications [3:09:32, 3:09:35]: and new position titles. [3:09:37, 3:09:42]: I moved to approve and fund the following positions. [3:09:43, 3:09:44]: A vet [3:09:45, 3:09:46]: A vents [3:09:46, 3:09:47]: Coordinator. [3:09:49, 3:09:52]: Assistant Court Clerk to [3:09:53, 3:09:56]: A M I technician [3:09:57, 3:10:00]: Human resources generalists [3:10:02, 3:10:03]: And advertise [3:10:05, 3:10:06]: Approved. [3:10:08, 3:10:11]: Vacant positions on the city website. [3:10:11, 3:10:13]: Until filled [3:10:15, 3:10:16]: And revisit [3:10:16, 3:10:18]: And discuss [3:10:18, 3:10:21]: The proposed job title changes. [3:10:22, 3:10:24]: And reclassifications. [3:10:24, 3:10:28]: during the twenty twenty five budget retreat. [3:10:34, 3:10:35]: That is a motion. [3:10:36, 3:10:37]: So you have that, Miss Holliday? [3:10:38, 3:10:40]: And I will appreciate a sec. [3:10:42, 3:10:43]: I [3:10:44, 3:10:47]: I need to go I need to look at one of the positions. [3:10:47, 3:10:48]: Um [3:10:48, 3:10:51]: Was all these positions named prior to? [3:10:52, 3:10:52]: Today. [3:10:53, 3:10:56]: These these are not new positions. [3:10:56, 3:11:01]: These are ones that we had put in the proposed budget in the first place, correct? [3:11:01, 3:11:04]: Correct. Okay. Correct. [3:11:05, 3:11:10]: And these are not um reclassifications. [3:11:11, 3:11:15]: And these are not new positions uh that has not been [3:11:16, 3:11:16]: Mm-hmm. [3:11:17, 3:11:18]: involved in the reclassification. [3:11:19, 3:11:22]: Okay. Well then I second. [3:11:23, 3:11:30]: Okay, motion has been seconded. Ms. Holler, do you have all that this time? Okay. Uh there's no further discussion. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:11:31, 3:11:39]: All right, all pose. I actually I actually have had my hand raised because I have a question. What's your question? [3:11:41, 3:11:46]: It's in regards to the budget, so is it b is in regard to this particular motion that was made. [3:11:47, 3:11:50]: No. Okay. All in favor of the motion, please indicate. [3:11:51, 3:11:56]: All right, unanimous decision. All right. So is there anything else, Mr. Thomas, right now? [3:11:57, 3:12:06]: I have a motion to adopt the agenda. I mean to adopt the budget, but I heard Councilman Alexander. No, stem by Stemba, appreciate it. Ms. Barber, what's on your mind? [3:12:07, 3:12:13]: I wanted to ask, the current year's actuals are reported through which month or period? [3:12:32, 3:12:36]: Ma'am, um are you looking at the numbers that are on the sheets right here? [3:12:37, 3:12:39]: Uh on the code enforcement sheets. [3:12:43, 3:12:44]: As it relates to the [3:12:47, 3:12:55]: Where we made where we're making the adjustments. So they're as of I think when we initially did the budget retreat back in August. [3:12:56, 3:12:59]: This is my understanding from the from the finance director. [3:13:02, 3:13:05]: Okay, so the actuals from twenty twenty four. [3:13:07, 3:13:17]: I just reported through August. So looking at those those would be half the year, just looking at the numbers, so that would be yes, July, July, August numbers. [3:13:19, 3:13:39]: That is what what and and that's not sufficient for me. That understood and that's I need to know what the actuals are year to date currently as closest today's date, which I understand we're towards the end of the year. However, just for me. Never mind. We could print out read. [3:13:39, 3:13:40]: [11624.6, 11626.7]: I didn't change that. [3:13:47, 3:13:51]: A any other questions? Okay, Mr. Thomas, go ahead please. [3:13:53, 3:13:56]: Therefore, I move to adopt the twenty twenty-five budget. [3:13:58, 3:14:03]: With council approved changes and adjustments. [3:14:03, 3:14:06]: To be made by the city treasure. [3:14:08, 3:14:12]: Okay. Is there a second to that motion? [3:14:14, 3:14:18]: I second. Oh Miss okay, Miss Gann second that. All right, all in favor, please indicate. [3:14:21, 3:14:22]: Opposed? [3:14:23, 3:14:31]: I will oppose and I wanna add a comment. Okay, four once before you do it. So four, one and motion passed. Miss Barber, what's your comment? [3:14:31, 3:14:36]: Every year we've had issues with the reporting of the actuals. [3:14:36, 3:14:41]: The actuals of the current or prior years. [3:14:41, 3:14:46]: I need to be able to see what our spending trends are year over year. [3:14:48, 3:14:49]: That's one issue. [3:14:49, 3:14:54]: The other one is I believe that the priorities are not accurately [3:14:54, 3:14:55]: Well [3:14:55, 3:15:02]: What I believe should be priorities are not adequately reflected in this budget. [3:15:02, 3:15:03]: That's all. [3:15:04, 3:15:12]: Thank you. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen. Budget's passed at this point. Mayor Mayor. If we could. Councilman Thomas. [3:15:13, 3:15:33]: We we we still can deal with the issue that we were talking about, which is uh again we were talking about what we're gonna do in terms of um the police department and then the code enforcement. So certainly there was a suggestion made that there was a six month term and that six month term [3:15:33, 3:15:48]: would be used to come back and to reevaluate this particular issue in six months since there does not P of B a will to and people want more information. Are you conducive to that to have this revisited in six months? [3:15:52, 3:15:57]: Can we have this as an agenda item at the uh r retreat? [3:15:58, 3:16:07]: Certainly. Are you agreeable to that, Mr. Gardner, that we would have this item uh at the retreat and we'll revisit it to blanch it out in more detail? [3:16:07, 3:16:09]: Ritual tree, the mark tree. [3:16:10, 3:16:12]: Or the NLC or the weather retreat. [3:16:16, 3:16:27]: Uh the earliest one. So March. Uh and love I've got topic. Remember too, we're gonna have a quick retrieval January eighth both. [3:16:28, 3:16:46]: Homestead exemption and frost. Well the the March retreat. So the March retreat. Okay. And if I know this is something we're all since we're talking about it, at that retreat can we also discuss the special projects as where we can go with the road service carrying some community? [3:16:46, 3:16:47]: Sure. [3:16:57, 3:16:58]: Okay, look. [3:16:59, 3:17:17]: Excuse me, about what the city needs to do as it relates to the homestead exemption. Um, I will just say this, this has been complicated. Um, and it even got a little bit more complicated after we had our manager's meeting with the tax assessor. [3:17:17, 3:17:21]: Literally based on the way this is the law is written. [3:17:22, 3:17:29]: I'm supposed to get you guys uh have have a budget for twenty twenty six ready by March first. [3:17:29, 3:17:29]: Okay. [3:17:31, 3:17:51]: All right. Right. So we're still trying to iron out some of these requirements and working with ACCG and GMA, but um we have another meeting coming up and to get a little bit more clarity from them as it relates to this. Uh so it's still a lot almost a lot of jurisdictions are still dealing with how they're gonna do this and talking to Michael and [3:17:51, 3:17:58]: and his team. Um that's across the board for some of the taxes. But we'll talk more about that on at that Monday Monday meeting. Thank you. Thank you. [3:17:58, 3:18:00]: All right, so we'll handle it in March then. [3:18:01, 3:18:11]: Council consideration to approve the comprehensive plan and agreement pertaining to the water and sewer services between Henry Canyon Water and Sewage Authority and the City of Stobbridge. Mr Aaron, please. [3:18:20, 3:18:40]: Uh yes, sir, Mr. Mayor and Council. Come before you tonight, Mr. Gardner and I have been meeting with uh Mr. Carnell and the Henry County Water Authority about the service delivery strategy component for water and sewer provisions in Henry County and the city of Stockbridge. And one of the things that had been bothering us that was in the previous service. [3:18:40, 3:18:42]: Delivery strategy is that [3:18:43, 3:19:03]: Whenever there was a master meter that the city was purchasing water from the Herring County Water Authority through, the Herring County Water Authority received three hundred dollars in impact fees. So that's been a bone of contention with us for the the previous past eight years as to why should we first of all pay you an impact fee when we're [3:19:03, 3:19:23]: Also buying water from you. So they agreed to remove that from the new agreement. And so everything else stays the same because our service area has pretty much been locked in based on previous annexations and decisions from previous council members. So there's really no opportunities to explain. [3:19:23, 3:19:42]: expand the water and sewer system. We're just located within the footprint we currently have, but I think the biggest adjustment was not paying that$300 per lot in impact fees off of Master Meter. So we ask that you approve the adoption of the revised service delivery strategy for water and sewer provisions. [3:19:42, 3:19:45]: All right. Is there a motion to accept the proposal? [3:19:46, 3:19:50]: There's a motion. Okay, Mr. Alzheimer's is there a second? [3:19:51, 3:19:53]: Mr. Barress, I'll favor please indicate. [3:19:55, 3:20:09]: Okay, what do we got here? Mr. Thomas? Okay, is it four four four? Yeah, Miss Ganson, four. Thank you. Uh Sharon? Thank you, sir. No problem. Council uh consideration to approve the contract with uh [3:20:10, 3:20:22]: SAGE S Networks Incorporated to provide uh cloud based software licensing, maintenance, and support services in an amount of fifty eight thousand three hundred eighteen dollars a year. Mr. Ryan, please. [3:20:22, 3:20:25]: Good evening. Um this proposal [3:20:26, 3:20:46]: is to replace our existing um building permitting and licensing software. Currently we're on the um uh title technologies product called Intergov and currently it's not sufficient for for our operations today. Uh it doesn't allow for online capabilities. It's not user-friendly. [3:20:46, 3:21:06]: And it still requires us to do a lot of manual tests. And um it doesn't interface with the county tax assessor software. So Sage's does all that. It's user-friendly. It interfaces with Henry County Tax Assessor Software because Henry County uses Sage's also. It's more modern. [3:21:05, 3:21:25]: lead to the department being more efficient in delivering um building permitting and licensing. Uh and it would eliminate the the large need for us to do a lot of manual tests. Business licensing, um they have to do a big mail out every year when it comes to doing um uh business license renewal. This will help in that [3:21:27, 3:21:30]: In that process, uh [3:21:32, 3:21:39]: Here's a comparison of the two. The current annual cost that we pay to Tyler is sixty-three thousand. [3:21:40, 3:22:00]: Uh Tyler Technology currently does not allow us to have online capabilities for customers to use to complete entire applications. It's inefficient, slow, and difficult to navigate, not very user-friendly. No online payment capabilities. Once again, it does not interface with Henry County's tax assessor software. [3:22:00, 3:22:20]: Not very user-friendly, cost prohibitive. Uh training costs and support associated is very expensive. And tack technical support is lacking. And it's kind of anquest anquit and antiquated for our current department needs. Currently the product that we're [3:22:20, 3:22:40]: Seeking permission to go under contract with, Sage is it has online capability for customers to complete their entire application process online. User-friendly, interfaced with Henry County Tax Assessor Software, online payment cap capability, is modern, efficient, productive, adaptive, and it will save staff time. [3:22:40, 3:23:00]: Also, they have excellent customer support. They're a local company. They're based here in Atlanta. Lower training costs, lower cost compared to Tyler's a product. The five-year annual cost will be$58,318 versus the$63,000 for our Tyler. And after five years, their cost will decrease. [3:23:00, 3:23:12]: increased to forty four thousand three hundred and twenty eight dollars. So that's a savings of approximately nineteen thousand a year after five years, after we paid us, we financed the seventy thousand dollar startup and implementation costs. [3:23:17, 3:23:23]: So here's the basically the scope of the work for you to s scope of work for you to see. Let me try to make it a little larger. [3:23:31, 3:23:32]: Oh. [3:23:42, 3:23:45]: So um like I previously mentioned, um [3:23:46, 3:24:06]: It would come in for our business, our building and permitting, our planning and zoning division, and our business services. And and we do have um the capability to expand to code enforcement if the police department decides to uh partner with us. It's already been paid for. It's included in this in these costs. [3:24:06, 3:24:26]: Like year one, the cost is$44,000, but we add in an additional one-time prorated cost because of the$70,000 startup implementation cost. We decide to finance over that over a five-year period, which brings the total to$58,000,$318,000 a year, including the prorated start. [3:24:26, 3:24:32]: Implementation costs, we're still saving almost five thousand dollars a year versus our current product. [3:24:35, 3:24:41]: So here's the contract and here's including the sc the scope of the work and the breakdown of all that they will provide. [3:24:43, 3:24:45]: So we're asking for approval. [3:24:46, 3:24:50]: All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Uh motion to approve this uh request. [3:24:52, 3:24:54]: Yes, ma'am? [3:24:54, 3:25:05]: Uh I'm sorry. Oh I just have a real quick question. So this is already budgeted for in our twenty twenty five budget current. Yes, we uh we budgeted for our the current product and yes [3:25:05, 3:25:20]: Okay. It's it it sounds better. The ability to be pay online will save a lot of time. Everybody goes to that right now. So I like to make a motion to approve um this contract with Sage Network. Um to [3:25:21, 3:25:27]: Okay, from Miss uh uh Miss Gantt to Mr. Alexander. Motion made the second law favorite, please indicate. [3:25:29, 3:25:31]: The NAMS decision? [3:25:33, 3:25:34]: Yeah. [3:25:40, 3:25:46]: Okay, the motion motion pass four four zero. Got it. [3:25:50, 3:26:10]: All right. Thank you. Uh thank you, Ryan. Appreciate it. All right. Okay. Council consideration uh for appointees to Stockbridge uh Citizen Police Academy Council for one year. And it seems as though I need a this is uh we got uh Mr. Da uh Mr. Nathan Banks and Miss Judy Neil, both zone two and zone four. [3:26:10, 3:26:15]: Police chief appointee. Uh sir, you're good uh chief. Could you come to the podium please? [3:26:23, 3:26:30]: So your appointees uh for zone two is uh Mr. Nathan Banks and zone four, Ms. Judy Neal for one of your appointments. [3:26:33, 3:26:53]: Uh yes, sir, that's r that's correct. Um is y you may or may not recall but uh the initial council appointments, uh we had a lottery, it was a one year and a two year appointment. And um this would be for uh and and you have the option to renew for one year, so this would be uh renewal for the current members, Mr. Nathan Banks and Miss Judy Neal who represent [3:26:53, 3:26:58]: Okay. Council, I need a motion to accept this, please. [3:26:58, 3:27:04]: So moved. Is there a second? Second. Move came from Miss Skant to Mr. Downs on all favor, please indicate. [3:27:05, 3:27:20]: NASA decision. Okay. And then uh Reverend Doctor M L Lavell Sanders at large, it's actually my appointee. So um think he's a great great gentleman to be on on the on the Citizens Police Academy advisory council. So otherwise uh is there a motion to accept him, please? [3:27:21, 3:27:25]: So move. Okay. So move. I got got uh Mr. Berry here. Is a second? [3:27:26, 3:27:40]: I second. Okay, Miss Gantt second. Alfred, please indicate. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, then we have District One Representative, Miss Carmen Reese. Uh that's you, Miss Gantt. You good with that? So moved. Okay. Sir second? [3:27:41, 3:27:44]: Ms. Bar Mr Berry second law favorite, please indicate. [3:27:44, 3:27:46]: Okay, fantastic. Uh there's a nice decision there. [3:27:48, 3:27:53]: I'm staying in from the Oh you're staying, I'm sorry. I'm excuse me. So okay, uh vote on that against four zero one. [3:27:54, 3:27:58]: Mr. Mr. Thomas, you voted for? Okay, four zero one. Okay. [3:27:59, 3:28:15]: Okay. Uh uh Dr. Thomas Smith, District Two, Councilmember Pointee, and that uh uh that's you, Mr. Uh so moved. Okay, so for Mr. Thomas, so move is there second? Second uh Miss Berry sec Mr. Berry's second then all fair, please indicate. [3:28:16, 3:28:26]: It's came you was that NAMS decision? Oh NAMS decision there. Okay, so we're good in that part. Council consideration of appointments of Stockbridge Planning Commission for a four year term. [3:28:26, 3:28:31]: Mr. Stanley Doomis, District One, uh Councilmember Pointy for renewal, Ms. Gantt. [3:28:31, 3:28:33]: So moved. Okay. So a second. [3:28:35, 3:28:37]: Okay, Mr. Mr. Berry, second offer, please indicate. [3:28:38, 3:28:43]: Okay, four, Mr. Youth Good, Mr. [3:28:44, 3:28:49]: Ms. Alexander? Okay, so it's uh four zero I know four what are you you're opposed you're opposed to [3:28:50, 3:29:06]: Okay, go ahead. Four four one uh four one it passes, Mr. Alzheimer's against four one. Yes. Okay. Okay. District number two, Mr Jaden William uh Williams, uh council member appointee, renewal, uh Mr Thomas, that's your appointment. [3:29:06, 3:29:17]: So move for Mr. Thomas. Is there a second? Ms. again what was that? J Jaden Jaden Williams. For what? For counsel is this for the planning commission. All these are for planning commission. This is for a four year term. [3:29:19, 3:29:38]: Okay, so Mr. I'm sorry, ms I'm sorry, I have some concerns. Okay. The gentleman has announced that he's running for public office. Uh yeah, yes. So I mean, are you gonna be the he gonna be to serve a full four year term? I I would and he's committed to say that he's already announced his candidacy for another race? [3:29:40, 3:29:43]: Mayor piles when we respond to the I'm sorry, would you say Miss Hollywood? [3:29:44, 3:29:49]: So until he qualifies, he is just a citizen. [3:29:49, 3:29:56]: Once he qualifies he has to uh resign from the planning commission. That is correct. [3:29:56, 3:30:00]: And the qualification is in August of twenty twenty. [3:30:02, 3:30:08]: qualification August twenty twenty twenty, but I mean is he committed to serve only six months? [3:30:09, 3:30:22]: Or eight months? Well I don't know. He's mister he's actually Mr Thomas' appointe. He's on distribute appointee. If that's what he chooses, it's okay. I just wanted to make sure that that was the issue. He's only committing to serve for eight months. Yeah. [3:30:28, 3:30:28]: Okay. [3:30:32, 3:30:34]: Okay, the correction made, okay. [3:30:35, 3:30:41]: Okay, Mr Mr. Thomas says so uh so move in this aspect. Need a second uh to the motion? Till we get a second. [3:30:42, 3:30:49]: Mayor. Okay, um yeah, Miss Gan uh Miss Miss Barber seconded that motion, yes. She did. Miss Barber seconded the motion. Okay. Okay. [3:30:49, 3:30:50]: You had something there? [3:30:51, 3:31:09]: No, it's okay. I was just gonna say I I tend to I thought when you have district appointees that we respect each other's appointment, but I get it. Well I get it. I I'm just respect I get it. I I normally just thought that's what I was saying, everybody should just respect each other's appointment. Okay. So all in favor, please in the K? [3:31:10, 3:31:30]: Okay, Namester City. Okay, now what we had here, so obviously this Miss Christina Didmar cannot be because you already got that appointment. That's a new applicant, so that individual cannot be uh the on the planning commission because you already have someone on there now for district two. So uh we have to skip that. And Miss uh Tamika Walker, District Five. [3:31:30, 3:31:33]: five uh council member appoint appointing Mr Alexander. [3:31:34, 3:31:54]: My current representative has chosen to resign up chosen not to uh continue their term. Uh Miss Walker is a candidate, I mean is a citizen who lives in my district. She's been very active as volunteer for m several city events. She was at the volunteer gala and uh [3:31:54, 3:32:13]: uh certainly I do recommend her for appointment. Okay, is there a second amount? A second. And Ms. Gans second all favor, please indicate. All right, she now's decision there. Now we'll move on to council uh consideration uh for of appointments for the public facilities authority for a four year term and this is uh Miss uh Trina Trina Christ what is it [3:32:13, 3:32:24]: Christina Disrina Dismuke. Christrina Disbuke. All right. And uh I I don't know her, but uh is there a motion to accept her to this re responsibility, this position? [3:32:27, 3:32:32]: Is there a motion to accept uh Christina dispute to this? [3:32:34, 3:32:54]: Okay. Uh so there's no motion. Okay, so I guess we'll move on. All right, council consideration of appointments for Stockbridge Youth Council Advisory Committee for two year terms. And this is uh Miss Bonita Adams, uh Miss Jaquina Carter. Jacqueline. Jacqueline Carter. Excuse give me straight here. [3:32:54, 3:33:12]: Mr. Rika Goins, which is a new appointee, uh, Miss Kathleen Nash, Miss Valerie Richmond Reese, and Doctor Thomas Smith. Okay, is there a motion to accept all those individuals? So moved. Oh I'm sorry. You are, go ahead. [3:33:13, 3:33:33]: So move. I second. Okay, this so move. So from Mr. Berry to Miss Gann. All favor, please indicate. Okay, she now succeeds. Okay. All right. Um now we're going to actually announcements, uh, meetings announcements. And this is uh initially from the this next the first announcement. [3:33:33, 3:33:53]: From the Main Street staff. This deals with the City of Stockbridge and Carklin Library. Present community scan day. The community is invited to participate in a special project to archive and preserve your community's rich history, share your memories of the old Stockbridge, and contribute to the collection of that reflects and diverse history and [3:33:53, 3:34:13]: Experiences of our city for future generations. This interactive event takes place January 21st, 23rd, and 25th at the Carklin Library located at 174 Burke Street in downtown Stockbridge. This event will also include opportunities to digitize your personal photos and documents of your own records. [3:34:13, 3:34:20]: Scan day is free and open to the public. Registration is required. For more information, contact Starbury's Main Street office or Carklin Library. [3:34:22, 3:34:42]: And we'll talk of further um meetings and announcements. It will include uh council meetings are held in the city council chamber. Meeting dates, location, and times of subject change. We'll contact city hall offices at 770-389-7900. Or visit the website at www.starbridgega.org for updates. Planning commission meeting third. [3:34:42, 3:35:02]: Thursday of each month, 6 30 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, December 19th. Stockbridge Citizens Police Advisory Council meeting first Thursday of each month at 6:30 p.m. Stockbridge Police Community Room, 4545 North Henry Boulevard, January 2nd. Community Zoning and Information Meeting, Thursday, January 2nd from 6 p.m. to [3:35:01, 3:35:21]: 7 p.m. the City Hall Council Chambers. The U Council meeting first Monday of each month at 6:30 p.m. City City Hall Levi Meeting Room January 6th. City Council meeting, second Monday of each month, January 13th, 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers. The Main Street Advisory Board meetings on second Friday of each month at 9 a.m. [3:35:21, 3:35:41]: Location in Downtown Connection Center, 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, January 10th. City Council Retreat meeting January 8th and 9 o'clock AM Mural Manors Conference Center, 111 Davis Road. Citywide Development Authority meeting the second Tuesday of each month at City Hall in the Levi Meeting Room at 6 p.m. January. [3:35:41, 3:36:01]: January 14th. The Downtown Development Authority meeting third Tuesday of each month at the Downtown Devent Connection Center, 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, January 21st. U Council Advisory Committee meeting, 6:30 p.m. third Tuesday of each month. The Levi Meeting Room, City Hall, January 21st. City Council works [3:36:01, 3:36:21]: Session meeting held on the last Tuesday of each month, the 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, January 28th. Upcoming city events and initiatives. Join Councilman Thomas for the monthly bingo bash on Wednesday, January 15th from 10 a.m. to 12 noon. Merlomena's conference center. Lots of fun to be had by all. Join Councilman Elton and Alexander if we could. [3:36:21, 3:36:41]: Community cleanup date Saturday, January 18th, from 9 a.m. to eleven uh a.m. Location to be determined. Join Mayor Anthony Ford for the monthly meet the mayor on Tuesday, January twenty eighth from ten a.m. to twelve noon, city hall, and in meetings or by appointment. Councilman Thomas is on and veterans and continuous salute to all year long. Please send your pictures. [3:36:41, 3:37:01]: of veterans and their name, branch, rank, and years of service. And that'll go to Roslyn Rawls. Join Calcman Thomas, if you don't uh don't trash Stockbridge initiatives centered around education, highlighting the causes and effects of littering, illegal dumping, and more information to follow, please contact Rosalind Rawls to schedule an appointment to meet the mayor for [3:37:01, 3:37:21]: For more information on council initiatives and events at 678-833-3348 or by way of email, ralls at stopbridgega.org. And my comments for this evening deal with the fact that this is December flu season. Take your flu shot, take your COVID boast boosters, you need to be healthy. Saspect, happy holidays, happy new year. [3:37:21, 3:37:41]: Hopefully we'll have a great prosperous New Year in this aspect. So everybody be healthy, enjoy your your holidays with your family, family, friends, and uh and uh and have a safe uh entry into New Year. And on that note, uh Council, we actually have uh Zeke session that deals with uh primary real estate uh in this aspect. So I need a motion to go into Zechar. [3:37:41, 3:37:42]: Echo session, please. [3:37:44, 3:37:51]: Okay, for real estate matters there s is there a second to that. [3:37:52, 3:38:03]: I s I second. Where uh we I second. Okay, on fair please indicate. Okay, it's that uh three of you here. We'll go into the second session of real estate. We'll back shortly, ladies and gentlemen. [3:38:15, 3:38:15]: Mm-hmm. [3:38:47, 3:39:00]: Okay, uh clerks in play in place. All right, uh Council, I need a motion to end the second session, please. So move. Okay, for Mr. Alexander. Okay. Mr. Barrett, second down, all in favor, please indicate. [3:39:00, 3:39:08]: All right unanimous decision there with three votes. Uh now I need a motion to reconvene our our city council uh work session, please. [3:39:08, 3:39:10]: So move. Mr. Berry. [3:39:10, 3:39:12]: I second. Ms. Gantt second then offered to present the case. [3:39:13, 3:39:15]: And from our executive session we have um [3:39:16, 3:39:21]: We have something we need to bring forward and uh Mr Quinn Washington, please. [3:39:21, 3:39:22]: Yeah. [3:39:24, 3:39:25]: Oh put your mic on, please, sir. [3:39:27, 3:39:39]: There's been a request that at one sixteen Davis Road that we transfer the property to the downtown development authority for habitat community for habitat for humanity um proposing the [3:39:40, 3:40:00]: For Habitat for Humanity proposal. The proposal is to subdivide and build two homes with an MOU with this consistent with Council's conditions that I will outline and a development agreement. Council's conditions are a two-car garage, brick front with fence, and the property is [3:40:00, 3:40:13]: uh the property's track is noted as S one eight dash zero two zero three three zero zero and any variances will be approved administratively by the community department, the Community Development Department Director. [3:40:14, 3:40:34]: Sir, I'd like to say I'd like to um motion to approve this and to thank Henry County for allocating the funding to make these projects come to fruition and to thank Habitat Humanity for bringing affordable homes to downtown Stockbridge. Is there a second? I second. Ms. Gasang, please indicate Shinel's to see. [3:40:34, 3:40:54]: Decision on that note. Thank you very much. Now, Council, I need a motion to end our meeting for 2024. So moved. So moved. Ms. Gantt and Mr. Berry, all in favor of presentation. All right. Good night, everybody. Happy. [3:41:04, 3:41:04]: Okay, this is

--- title: Regular Council Meetings date: 2024-12-09 source: 2024-12-09_Regular_Council_Meetings.wav --- [0:01:16, 0:01:18]: All right ladies, uh how you doing this evening? [0:01:19, 0:01:20]: A good deal. [0:01:20, 0:01:33]: We're going to start off with the ceremonial part of our meeting tonight. And so I have two proclamations, some announcements in reference to some of our employees. And so we're going to start tonight with Delta Sigma Theta. So ladies, come on up, please. [0:01:41, 0:01:53]: Now I'm gonna stand about right here so you can go on the left right side. Okay. Just gather around. I know you all had a fantastic time last night. Thank you. All right. [0:01:56, 0:02:00]: Come on around, ladies. [0:02:02, 0:02:03]: Yeah. [0:02:05, 0:02:05]: Mm. [0:02:06, 0:02:19]: And we have a Sarwar taking the pictures and documenting all this. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Okay. Proclamation City of Stockbridge, Georgia. Listen up, folks, please. [0:02:19, 0:02:23]: The recognition of Delta Sigma Theta Sority, Henry County Alumni, Chapter. [0:02:24, 0:02:31]: Whereas the visionary team of Veronica or Renee crutches uh Michelle, is that how he pounds it? B B Hale. [0:02:32, 0:02:38]: Janice J. Jones, Janice Janice L. Jones, in conjunction with the steering committee of Gloria A. Lee. [0:02:38, 0:02:42]: Simone W. Martin and Daisy L. Smith. [0:02:42, 0:03:00]: Henry County alumni alumni chapter, right? Yes. You're not live now? I thought we were alive. Well good thing we were live then. I was I was screwing that up. Okay. [0:03:00, 0:03:04]: Sorry ladies, I'll try to get this straight. [0:03:05, 0:03:09]: [190.0, 194.6]: I love that. I love that. No problem. [0:03:16, 0:03:17]: Okay, so [0:03:20, 0:03:21]: Okay. [0:03:25, 0:03:26]: Sure enough. [0:03:28, 0:03:34]: Sadika, what's wrong? You got the wild expression on your face like, What's going on here? Oh no, we're good. [0:03:35, 0:03:54]: Yeah, just chilling with the mayor. Hanging out with the mayor. Watch out now. Yeah, we got you covered in red today. Yeah, I I got that. I I appreciate that. It's uh three out of four days too. Yeah, something like that. It's been a few days. [0:03:57, 0:04:17]: And it's how you pronounce it. So it's not alumni. It's like gum tree. Lumni. Okay. You're live now. All right. Take two. All right. Proclamation, City Stockbridge, Georgia, in recognition of Delta Sigma Theta Sward Incorporated. [0:04:17, 0:04:37]: Henry County Alumni chapter. Okay, whereas the visionary team of Veronica Renee Crutches, Michelle B. Hale, Janice L. Jones, in conjunction with the steering committee of Gloria A. Lee, Simone W. Morton, and Daisy L. Smith, substantiated Henry County's need for Delta Sigma Theta suward and incorporated five-point problematic thrust. [0:04:37, 0:04:43]: Whereas Henry County Alumni chapter was charted in December fourth, two thousand four. [0:04:43, 0:04:46]: Somehow I I got a little familiar with that date. [0:04:46, 0:05:06]: Anyway, let me let me I I digress. I'm sorry, ladies. Excuse me for a second. All right. And we come to 969 chapter, Delta Sigma Theatre Award Incorporated. Henry County Alumni Chapter volunteers at Starbury City Council back to school and adopt a family Christmas toy giveaway events. And whereas Henry County Alumni Alumni Chapter advocates [0:05:06, 0:05:15]: Advocated for keeping Stockbridge together in the fall of 2017 and later collaborated with the mayor's office to host the annual Returning Citizens Job Fair. [0:05:15, 0:05:35]: to that hired 75 ex-offenders. And whereas the Henry County Alumni Chapter was awarded over$200,000 in college scholarships, raised money in the American Council Society, American Heart Association, and St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital, rested over 3,000 new voters, hosted economic and educational development workshops, junior tank, [0:05:35, 0:05:55]: Southside Women of Business Expos, Health Fairs, and Armed Uh With Knowledge Symposiums. Whereas the Henry County Alumni Chapter has was bestowed with the Women's History Month Award in 2018, the Volunteer Award of 2019, the Heritage Award of 2019 as well. Whereas the Henry County Alumni Chapter commemorates twenty years of public service. [0:05:55, 0:06:01]: and community advocacy with the theme of Seren Serenade, Twenty Years of Sisterhood, Scholarship, Service, and Social Action. [0:06:02, 0:06:06]: Now therefore I Anthony S. Ford by Virtue Authority Vest in me as a mayor city star breeze, Georgia. [0:06:06, 0:06:13]: Now on behalf of city council members um Elton Alexander, Londa Barber, Cowberry, Lakeisha Gann, Afonso Thomas do hereby. [0:06:13, 0:06:21]: Recognize Delta Sigma Theatre Award Incorporated, Henry County Alumni Chapter for their outstanding work and contribution to the city of Stockbridge and the Henry County community. [0:06:22, 0:06:32]: And witness thereof I have hereunto set my hand in Grace Seal City, Stockbridge, Georgia, on the eighth day of December and here our Lord, two thousand and twenty four. And I signed a proclamation along with a cleric for National Holiday. Congratulations, ladies. [0:06:35, 0:06:46]: All right, no problem. Now, whenever we do this, whoever gets the award, the proclamation, you have the podium. So the mic is yours, whatever you'd like to say. You're the current president, is that correct? I am. Okay, Madam President, please. [0:06:48, 0:07:08]: Thank you. Good evening. My name is Demetra Daniels, and I am the president of the Henry County Alumni Chapter of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Incorporated. And I, along with our first vice president, Deshaun Bullard, our second vice president, Dr. Rosalind Matthews, and over 420 members of the Henry County Alumni Chapter, we are [0:07:08, 0:07:11]: So honored to receive this uh proclamation. [0:07:11, 0:07:31]: In recognition of our 20th chapter charter anniversary, we have long been partners with the Henry County community, namely the City of Stockbridge, and we are definitely proud of many events that we have held to help uplift and bolster this community. But we are most proud of giving back over$200,000. [0:07:31, 0:07:37]: dollars in scholarships and registering over three thousand community members. [0:07:37, 0:07:39]: in the Henry County community. [0:07:40, 0:07:49]: So again, we thank you for this recognition and we look forward to many more years of partnership. Absolutely. Thank you very much. [0:07:49, 0:07:50]: Now [0:07:51, 0:07:55]: We got you got the task to get a great big picture with all of us in it. So ladies, somehow [0:07:56, 0:08:09]: This way from Alabatonium. You're right, try to get out of maybe have to double triple up and everything. And since you're the president and all your leadership team, waiting in the front, hold the proclamation there, ladies. [0:08:13, 0:08:25]: Comfortable. You are a taller mate, so make sure you see me. [0:08:29, 0:08:31]: [514.0, 515.1]: Well that's well. [0:08:37, 0:08:39]: Yeah. Yeah. [0:08:57, 0:08:58]: The fine on the wall. [0:08:58, 0:09:03]: But we went to that. [0:09:03, 0:09:10]: Oh yeah, no matter what. [0:09:15, 0:09:25]: That's right. That's right. I'll find it. That was a dead time. [0:09:34, 0:09:37]: I don't know. [0:10:45, 0:10:52]: [658.0, 671.5]: Awesome and the young man I told you that didn't hold the cute council I said you have been his mother, she had president helps. Very nice. [0:11:13, 0:11:16]: [677.2, 679.2]: [0:11:19, 0:11:21]: Okay. [0:11:25, 0:11:27]: Yeah, I always [0:11:32, 0:11:33]: Yeah, yeah. [0:11:34, 0:11:38]: And I don't know. [0:11:44, 0:11:45]: And [0:11:47, 0:11:50]: That's a result of it. [0:12:01, 0:12:03]: Yeah. [0:12:05, 0:12:06]: Yeah, [0:12:07, 0:12:09]: This is bad. [0:12:10, 0:12:15]: [748.0, 755.0]: All right, ladies, you you can st we have a meeting tonight. You can stay as long as you like, okay, but if you don't mind, I have another proclamation to read, all right? [0:12:36, 0:12:39]: All right, so uh the Onyx Book Club. Come on up, please. [0:12:51, 0:12:54]: All right ladies, why don't you come on either side of me? Okay. [0:12:56, 0:12:56]: There we go. [0:12:57, 0:13:04]: We'll do this. This is a proclamation for recognition of the Onyx Book Club thirty year anniversary celebration. [0:13:04, 0:13:05]: Congratulations. [0:13:07, 0:13:19]: Whereas Sandra Mingle started the Onyx Book Club in 1994 with five of her friends, and whereas since the membership has surpassed sixty-plus avid readers ranging in the age from thirty-five to eighty plus. [0:13:20, 0:13:23]: Throughout the Metro Atlanta and few cities in Florida and Alabama. [0:13:25, 0:13:31]: For the past thirty years, the Onyx Book Club has read over two hundred and ten nonfiction and fictional books. [0:13:31, 0:13:45]: For every uh of every genre genre written by people of color, members and list members read and listen to the books of all ethnicities ethnicities, and challenges family, friends, co-workers, and each other to read. [0:13:45, 0:14:05]: During a 30-year journey, the Honor's Book Club members have become so much more than a book club. Love for books may have brought them the group together, but many of the members have become lifelong friends who share in the joys of life and support one another during difficult times. Whereas many authors have joined and led book discussions, shared their experiences, and speak about their next book. [0:14:05, 0:14:19]: or Business's venture, business ventures, including Dr. Anthony T. Brower, Browder, Pearl Clivitch, R. M. Johnson, Dr. Joe Lester, Daniel Black, Stacy Abrams, Brian Thompson, [0:14:20, 0:14:25]: Marcy K Bell, Doctor Katrina P. Leong, Hank Stewart, Velma [0:14:25, 0:14:26]: Mayla. [0:14:26, 0:14:28]: Thomas and Tina McCours. [0:14:28, 0:14:45]: To name a few. Some members of Honest Book Club have become published authors. Katrina's Kitchen Cookbook by Dr. Katrina P. Young. Ray's Game, Changing Success Strategy for Women Leaders by Jackie Stalins Evans. Girlfriend Therapy by Dr. Kelly Regan Wentley. [0:14:45, 0:15:05]: With co-authors of the Onyx Book Club, Angela Honey Brown, Hood, and Yolanda Roscoe. Whereas for the next phase of the journey, the Onyx Book Club members are interested in providing books for women and children in shelters. And therefore, our Anthony Sforber, Virgil's Authority Vested in me, as the mayor of City of Stockbridge, Georgia. And on behalf of Stockbridge City Council members, Elton Alan Xander Alanda, Barber Kyle, Berry. [0:15:05, 0:15:15]: Keys again and Afonso Thomas, to hereby recognize the Onyx Book Club for spreading their love and literacy throughout the years as you celebrate the thirtieth anniversary. Congratulations. [0:15:15, 0:15:35]: And whereas I have here unto hereunto set my hand, the great seal of the city of Stockbridge, Georgia, on the seventh day of December, year of our Lord, two thousand twenty-four, and I signed a proclamation on the law when I cleared Vanessa Holiday. Congratulations. And I'm giving this to you, Karen. Or whoever that was. Now I didn't get everybody's okay. I didn't get everybody's name. So this is the one that found the side. Yes. [0:15:35, 0:15:40]: Yes, Yesandra. Yes, I am. Outstanding. Thank you. The floor is yours. [0:15:41, 0:16:01]: Yes, um my name is Sandra Mingo and we have uh a few of our members here obviously. Uh we have Zeta Ferguson, we have Helen Langston, and we also have Sherelle Williams. And as uh Mayor Ford mentioned, we do have approximately sixty plus members. [0:16:01, 0:16:21]: And I would imagine most of them are probably working right now. However, uh, we did get together because we wanted to read books that are written by people of color and also discuss the issues that are about people of color. So uh our next [0:16:21, 0:16:38]: phase as we mentioned we do want to uh address books with people that are in shelters mostly women and children but we also want to help men start their own book clubs so uh [0:16:38, 0:16:52]: If there are any men here that would like to be involved in a book club, just give me your name and number and hopefully we'll be able to get something started. But uh thanks again and this is the first [0:16:52, 0:17:12]: Live proclamation that we have received. We did get some others, but this is the first in-person one that we have received. And so thank you very much. You're more than welcome at any time. All right. So we're gonna we're gonna take some pictures over here. Um and by the way, uh if she didn't tell you Helen and Langstead, she and I used to work together [0:17:12, 0:17:29]: many years ago and we were soldiers in the same unit. And military soldiers soldiers in the same unit. You need to get them. Yeah. Yeah we were come on. That's scientists to web side. Right. You know. It's all good. [0:17:35, 0:17:49]: Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. Helen reaching out and talk to me about this, right? So we can get this done, all right? Yeah, right. [0:17:49, 0:17:55]: You take some of the well Oh, let's do this. [0:18:02, 0:18:03]: Yes, you do picture. [0:18:04, 0:18:11]: She all the attack. She's coming to take [0:18:12, 0:18:16]: It could it heats up the I think. [0:18:16, 0:18:19]: [1102.0, 1114.3]: There is no nerf. Thank you. It's been my honour to meet you. Thank you. Oh well. Thank you so much for watching. [0:18:42, 0:18:51]: Also part of the recognition tonight, I want to acknowledge and recognize um several of our city employees and um so [0:18:52, 0:18:58]: And and most of these employees have received some type of recognition during our holiday festival that they had here in the city hall. [0:19:00, 0:19:03]: So five years of service, Christine Chavez. [0:19:04, 0:19:05]: Jason Jackson. [0:19:07, 0:19:10]: Gordon Lyddon. Gordon's actually here. Come on up, Gordon. [0:19:11, 0:19:13]: Lina Logan, she's also here as well. [0:19:14, 0:19:15]: Stephanie Milton. [0:19:17, 0:19:25]: Carrie Ann Stewart and Demetrius Wells, all five years of service. And uh since I mentioned, do you either one of you have anything you wanna say at all? [0:19:28, 0:19:37]: Just wanna say it's been a pleasure working from this for the city of Stockbridge. I am I I live here too and I'm a graduate from Dutchtown High School, so go Bulldogs. [0:19:38, 0:19:39]: [1182.0, 1190.5]: And I'm happy to be here as well. Appreciate you having me and enjoyed my work here. It's very exciting. Absolutely. Thank you very much. All right. [0:19:51, 0:19:55]: We'll we'll get we'll get a picture with everybody if they're off four. [0:19:56, 0:19:57]: I see these all the two. [0:19:59, 0:20:02]: Five years. Right, for five years. [0:20:02, 0:20:08]: Yeah. Okay, sure. Okay. [0:20:23, 0:20:29]: Oh, just as a five you have a five year recognition for you off. [0:20:37, 0:20:39]: I think that is [0:20:43, 0:20:48]: So we have some employees also that received uh tenure uh service recognition, Rex Hill. [0:20:50, 0:21:01]: You need a Smith Sellers and Renee Wheeler, and I don't think any of them are here right now. Fifteen years of service, Jeff Greenway and Tammy Riley. [0:21:03, 0:21:04]: And [0:21:07, 0:21:10]: Surprise is Vanessa Holiday, fifty years of service. [0:21:12, 0:21:13]: Come on up here, Vanessa. [0:21:15, 0:21:21]: And by the way, Vanessa is a reigning uh clerk of the year for the GMA for the entire state of Georgia, by the way. [0:21:25, 0:21:28]: I'm second. I'll say. She's coming. [0:21:43, 0:21:45]: [1306.7, 1310.5]: And let's see here. [0:21:53, 0:21:55]: And a twenty year service recognition. [0:21:56, 0:21:59]: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, excuse me. Excuse me. [0:22:00, 0:22:11]: Hi everybody, I am Vanessa Holliday, City Clerk, and it is my pleasure to serve the City of Stockbridge. If there is anything that I can do to assist you, please just reach out to my office. We are [0:22:11, 0:22:17]: Um one hundred percent willing to help and serve. I love it. Thank you. [0:22:17, 0:22:26]: Twenty years of service. Uh Eddie Albert and Howard S Sanford, and I believe they're not here. Okay. [0:22:26, 0:22:35]: All right, so that ends our recognition thus far for ceremonial portion. And here shortly, as soon as we get a quorum, we'll start our meeting for this evening. All right? Stand by. [0:26:31, 0:26:37]: Ladies and gentlemen, we'll get started with the meeting as soon as I'll we obtain a quorum for the meeting. Okay? So stand by. [0:26:38, 0:26:38]: Thank you. [0:27:57, 0:27:58]: Ms. Gantt? [0:28:12, 0:28:13]: Let's stop. [0:28:23, 0:28:32]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to start our meeting called a meeting in order. This is our council meeting of December 9th. I have 606. [0:28:32, 0:28:38]: And please stand for the invocation. Miss Wanda, please could you come forward and give us an invocation, please? At the mic? [0:28:46, 0:28:48]: Your full name and address, please. [0:28:50, 0:28:57]: And one at Bay Venius, my address is 705 Branton Drive, McDonald, Georgia. [0:29:00, 0:29:02]: Yeah. [0:29:02, 0:29:05]: Father God, as we [0:29:15, 0:29:18]: [1763.7, 1783.7]: With us, that you would guide us in our decision making, that you will always be with the people of Stockbridge, of the county of Henry, and the state of Georgia. Lord, we ask that you bless this nation as well, and bless all the families who are represented here. Let us make this decision. [0:29:43, 0:29:45]: So why and please [0:29:49, 0:30:04]: Amen. We have a pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation underground, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:30:05, 0:30:06]: Roll call, Madam Clerk, please. [0:30:09, 0:30:10]: Evening. [0:30:13, 0:30:14]: Present. [0:30:23, 0:30:24]: Present. [0:30:25, 0:30:29]: Present. Council Member Gang. Present. Council Member Thomas. [0:30:31, 0:30:38]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. I appreciate that. Uh what we have before you, Council, and the public hearing we have public hearing deferred items. Um [0:30:39, 0:30:40]: An announcement. [0:30:40, 0:30:44]: The f fallen items have been deferred and will not be presented tonight. [0:30:45, 0:30:50]: Item number five, a comprehensive plan amendment, KCP two zero two four four four four four four-ten. [0:30:50, 0:30:59]: And in this case, awaiting for the decision of the text amendment for the gas station distance requirement, which is hearing uh hearing date to be determined later. [0:30:59, 0:31:11]: Item number six, special use permit, SP-2024-01. And it's awaiting the season of the text amendment for the gas station. Once again, distance requirement, which will be scheduled at 10 of the date. [0:31:12, 0:31:32]: Item number 14, annexation case EAAX-2024-02. That deals with the SR zoning district does not state whether they need a sewer or septic. Clarification on that. [0:31:32, 0:31:44]: AX-2024-02 and the applicant is changing the site plan and is adding a commercial component to development per Councilman Alexander's request. [0:31:45, 0:32:05]: Item number 15, comprehensive plan amendment, case CP-2024-09. Once again, applicant is changing a site plan and is adding the commercial component to development per. Once again, Councilman Alexander's request. Item number 16, rezoning case RZ-2024-10. Once again, applicant is changing. [0:32:05, 0:32:10]: Changing the site plan and adding a commercial component to development per Consumer Alz Alexander's request. [0:32:10, 0:32:21]: Mayor. Yes, sir. If I could just say a brief word about that. Sure, go ahead. Certainly I encourage all the citizens to be involved and you when you see the zoning signs come up, you have an action [0:32:22, 0:32:42]: Expectation that you will be getting true transparency. Uh what actually happened was uh the plan was submitted, but the plan did not include the um commercial component that uh I had requested or that I believe would be wise for the city because I believe as we move forward in our [0:32:41, 0:33:01]: Comprehensive plan and in our planning for the city that we should make sure that we incorporate mixed-use fashion developments where residents have a close walk, bike ride, or drive to retail outlets. Actually, and folks always ask me about, you know, you put a lot of development in different areas. [0:33:01, 0:33:21]: Areas, but this development is really literally right down the street from my own home. So the same thing that I apply to you, I apply for any development that comes to the particular area. And when we finish with this and the rendition that we've asked for, uh, if you know about the Winding Creek subdivision, which is across Highway 42. [0:33:21, 0:33:41]: The homes will be very similar. Some of them will be larger, up to 3,500 square feet. And then there will be a retail component in that as well. So as uh, you know, to make your trip shorter, would it be great I talk to local residents and talk about wouldn't it be nice to have a grocer or some type of similar retail uh on that corner? [0:33:41, 0:34:01]: as well because if you've ever driven that uh corridor on Highway 42 from McDonough to Stockbridge, there's literally nothing there uh to support uh the commercial side that we uh that we need uh in the community. So be patient. Uh the plan will be resubmitted and uh it'll be the best plan. [0:34:01, 0:34:21]: And I think as Ms. Gantt said at our last meeting, when you come in Stockbridge, we're going to get excellence in everything that we do. I heard I hear those whispers out in the community that people annex to get lower standards. No, they don't. They annex to get the best, and that's what we're going to insist upon in all the development that comes our way. So thank you. [0:34:21, 0:34:22]: Thank you. [0:34:22, 0:34:27]: All right, appreciate that. Um now council in the adoption of the minutes uh the agenda, please. [0:34:28, 0:34:30]: So motion to adopt the agenda. [0:34:31, 0:34:32]: So move. Is there a second? [0:34:33, 0:34:35]: I second. Okay, Ms. Gantt second. All in favor, please indicate. [0:34:36, 0:34:51]: Thank you very much. Unanimous decisions on that. What we have is adoption of the minutes of the adoption of uh minutes from November twelfth, twenty twenty four, council meeting minutes, and also the adoption of minutes from November nineteenth, twenty twenty-four work session minutes. Is there a motion to to receive those as well? [0:34:51, 0:34:53]: So moon. Is there a second? [0:34:53, 0:34:56]: I second. Ms. Dan second dad, is all in fair, please indicate. [0:34:58, 0:35:01]: Okay, it's it's an answer season. Thank you very much. Okay. [0:35:01, 0:35:03]: Madam Clerk, do you have any public comments at all? [0:35:04, 0:35:20]: Okay. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, we had a wonderful ceremonial uh portion of our meeting, uh prior prior to the actual meeting today. Uh Delta Sigma Thena, the local alum alumni chapter, uh celebrated the twenty year anniversary of the one doing wonderful things in the community. We were able to issue a proclamation to them. [0:35:20, 0:35:40]: As well as the uh Onyx Read uh Reading Club, 30 year anniversary, to honor them and amount of reading that they do in the club. I think the sixty plus members in a large contingency from teenagers to eighty-plus year old individuals that actually read books and um use off also highlights individuals that uh pr uh actually write books. [0:35:40, 0:36:00]: books in this aspect. So fantastic for them to honor them in this aspect as well. And we also identified and and at least recognized several employees of the City of Stockbridge. Five years of service, those employees would be Christine Javis, Jason Jackson, Gordon Litton, Linda Logan, which are with us tonight. [0:36:00, 0:36:06]: Stephanie Milton, Carrie Ann Stewart, and Demetrius Wells. Ten years of service would be Rex Hill. [0:36:07, 0:36:27]: Uh Unita Smith Sellers and Renee Wheeler. Fifteen years of service recognized tonight was Jeff Greenway and Tammy Riley, and our own clerk Vanessa Holliday, which is also the reigning clerk of the year for the Georgia Municipal Association in Georgia. And then 20 years of service, Eddie Albert and Harold Sanford were recognized for their service to the city of. [0:36:27, 0:36:27]: Stop reach. [0:36:30, 0:36:39]: Now we have before us a council consent agenda, which deals with the uh everything in 2025, the city holiday schedule. [0:36:40, 0:36:41]: The agenda timeline schedule? [0:36:42, 0:36:43]: The city council meeting scheduled. [0:36:44, 0:37:04]: The planning and zoning commission meeting schedule, the community zoning and information meeting schedule, the citywide development authority meeting schedule, the downtown development authority meeting schedule, the Main Street Advisory Board meeting schedule, Stockbridge Citizens Police Advisory Council meeting schedule, the Urban Redevelopment Agency meeting schedule, the youth council meeting schedule. [0:37:04, 0:37:16]: schedule, youth council advisory committee meeting schedule, the Main Street calendar and events uh schedule, and the city uh city's events calendar. Uh right, and so it's a Kazan agenda, is there a motion to accept this? [0:37:18, 0:37:20]: So moved. [0:37:20, 0:37:23]: Sir. Okay from Miss Canton's house. I'm fairly please indicate. [0:37:24, 0:37:37]: Thank you, Council. Appreciate that. And what we have are the a public hearing now. Now we obviously some the the number item number five and six have been deferred on a public hearing. We'll go to item number seven. [0:37:38, 0:37:52]: And but let me read the public hearing rules at this point. Please move all s mute all cell phones and electronic devices. If anyone wishes to speak tonight on a public hearing item, please fill out the form available on the table and hand it to the city clerk before approaching the podium. [0:37:53, 0:38:07]: After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant or their representative regarding the proposed plans for property along with any other relevant information. The council will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote. [0:38:08, 0:38:28]: Following the applicant, anyone who wishes to speak in favor or opposed to the case will have the opportunity to do so. Each side will be allotted ten minutes total. Additional time may be extended at the discretion of the counsel. Please keep comments and presentation professional, referring only to the facts that are pertinent to the case. We will not allow comments or personal attacks towards [0:38:28, 0:38:29]: Yeah. [0:38:29, 0:38:49]: Please refrain from any applause or comments from the audience during the public hearing. After the presiding officer recognizes the speaker, he or she shall direct all comments to the presiding officer, and never to the members of the council, staff, or the audience. All comments will be made from the podium, where you will have be required to state your name and address for the record. [0:38:49, 0:38:59]: Please note that these hearings are not a debate. Failure to comply will cause you to be removed from the chamber and a building by law enforcement if you deviate from these proceedings. [0:38:59, 0:39:19]: Other than at the applicant, no person may speak more than once. The applicant may reserve part of part or his or her speaking time as rebuttal and may speak next and last and may use the entire ten minutes allowed for the pro side of the application. If questions are raised, the counsel may ask the applicant to address questions and or concerns. [0:39:19, 0:39:31]: The presiding officer will call for a motion and a second to the motion and have any necessary discussion. If the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for the vote to recommend approval or denial of the request. [0:39:32, 0:39:33]: Item number seven. [0:39:33, 0:39:42]: Comprehensive plan amendment KCP-2024-03. Yes. Uh probably located in Council District 2. [0:39:42, 0:39:58]: Um consideration of comprehensive plan amendments request a change to land uh future land use dis uh designation in a parcel S zero seven dash zero one zero zero six zero zero zero on the east side of Brush Creek. One second here. [0:40:00, 0:40:02]: Okay, so I get the right version of Let Man here? [0:40:07, 0:40:07]: Okay. [0:40:09, 0:40:15]: East side of Brush Creek, uh from its uh future current excuse me, future current [0:40:15, 0:40:35]: From its current future land use designation, low density mixed use to medium density residential, allow for a town home development. Applicant Pivotal Indust Industries Enterprises Pivotal Enterprises LLC CEO of Battle Group PC. The property is located in land lot 59, District 12, and it contains two. [0:40:35, 0:40:55]: 2.28 acres, total acres, and it's going to be presented by Mr. Anderson. Also, with that, uh let's see here. Also with that, the rezoning case, RZ 2024-03, uh property located Council District 2. Consideration uh for the rezoning question. [0:40:55, 0:41:15]: To rezone parcel S07-01006-000 on the east side of Brush Creek Court from C2 General Commercial to MFR, multiple family residentials to allow for a townhome development. Applicant Pivotal Enterprises LLC. [0:41:15, 0:41:23]: The property is located in land lot fifty-nine, district twelve, and it contains two point two eight acres. Once again, Mr. Anderson, please. [0:41:24, 0:41:26]: Uh d did you read all four, Mayor? [0:41:27, 0:41:32]: Did you read all four of the cases? Uh well what it amounts to is that the [0:41:34, 0:41:39]: It's a zone modification. Okay, so otherwise you're talking about item number nine and ten. Yes, sir. Okay. [0:41:40, 0:41:46]: Uh nine ten deals with Davis Road. That's still part of this process? I thought it was separate. [0:41:49, 0:41:54]: It's a zoning modification should be. Okay, number ten is comprehensive plan amendment, but it's for a Davis Road. [0:41:55, 0:42:04]: That would be No th there are four cases associated with this uh Brush Creek Commons Town homes. You got a comp plan, um rezoning, zoning modification. [0:42:05, 0:42:25]: To w okay. So what's the fourth one? I'll I'll read the zoning modification, no problem. Zoning modification case Z uh ZM dash two zero two four-01. Proper look once again proper located in district number two. Consideration of major zoning modification request for a parcel S07A01100000. [0:42:25, 0:42:45]: On the west side of Brush Creek Court to provide for major changes to the previously approved site plan, which was a subject of a zoning modification case ZM-2022-01 in 2022 by allowing for an expansion of the site boundaries to include parcel S07-010-002. [0:42:45, 0:43:05]: on the east side of Brush Creek Commons, which would be developed as phase two of the existing townhome development. Applicant Pivocal Enterprises, excuse me, LLC, CO Battle Group, PC, the property is located in Land Law 59, District 12, and it contains 2.28 total acres. Now that's the third one. That's it. [0:43:05, 0:43:25]: That's it. I would imagine, okay, because the other one next one deals with Davis Road. Yes, sir. All right, Mr. Anderson, uh Mr. Anderson, go ahead, please. Uh good evening. Uh this these three cases are associated with it with an item that came before city council back in November of 2022, where uh the Brush Creek Crummons Commons Town homes the [0:43:25, 0:43:35]: development plan was modified. So what the applicant is seeking tonight is basically to add a phase two and to seek to rezone property that is currently zoned C2. [0:43:38, 0:43:45]: To in total is eighteen point two acres. Um the parcel is um [0:43:49, 0:43:57]: It's fairly level, wooded, and vacant. Property access exists via a 30-foot access easement off North Henry Boulevard to Brush Street Cummings. [0:44:00, 0:44:10]: The current city zone, as May the mayor previously mentioned, is zone C2, and the applicant is seeking to uh rezone that to MFR to build 19 additional townhomes. [0:44:15, 0:44:35]: The surrounding zoning, north of the property, you have a mobile home residential and SR suburban residential. To the south, you got C2, General Commercial, MFR, multifamily residential, and SR suburban residential. To the east, you got suburban residential, and to the west you got heavy commercial. The future land use [0:44:34, 0:44:54]: Designation right now is low density, low density mixed use, and the applicant is seeking to resign, I mean to complain amendment to medium density residential. The surrounding land uses include to the north, two mobile home parks and metal ridge subdivision, to the south, commercial uses, quick trip and the waffle. [0:44:54, 0:45:11]: House and apartment community. To the east you got Metal Ridge subdivision, metal ridge subdivision and individual single family residentials. To the west you got commercial uses. Here's the aerial photo of both phase one and phase two combined of the two parcels. [0:45:15, 0:45:17]: Here's the existing future land use map. [0:45:21, 0:45:26]: And based on that, staff recommended approval for the comp plan. Now I'll move into the rezoning. [0:45:30, 0:45:50]: Uh I'm gonna give you a little background on the um zoning history. Uh originally in two thousand in July 2003, case number uh RZ-0304, the applicant rezoned from R2 single family residential to RM2, which at the time was residential multifamily townhomes. The developer installed a [0:45:50, 0:45:57]: Bush Creek Court, but did not inst uh construct any any uh buildings. There were a development agreement. [0:45:58, 0:46:15]: Plus two amendments. Rezoning included a development agreement followed by two amendments. They included various development conditions and required certain amendments to be included into development. There was a zoning modi zoning modification which was approved by council in September of 2022. [0:46:15, 0:46:19]: And the applicant has started construction on phase one. [0:46:23, 0:46:25]: The surrounding land uses [0:46:25, 0:46:45]: Like I previously mentioned, includes two mobile parks, two mobile home parks and Metal Ridge subdivision to the north. Commercial use is Quick Trip and Waffle House to the south. To the east, you got the Metal Ridge subdivision and individual single-family residence. And to the west, you got commercial uses. The surrounding zoning, to the north, you got the mobile home. [0:46:45, 0:47:05]: Park, which is zone mobile home residential, and SR suburban residential districts. To the south you got C2 General Commercial, MFR and SR Suburban Residential. To the east you got SR Suburban Residential District, and to the west you got C three, which is heavy commercial, and C2. [0:47:09, 0:47:11]: Here's the vicinity zoning map. [0:47:13, 0:47:20]: As you can see that the applicant's request is not incompatible to the rest of the vicinity. [0:47:23, 0:47:25]: Here's a zoning map, a complete zoning map. [0:47:32, 0:47:41]: Here's the phase one site plan. Also south of that is the phase two site plan, which is that which is what the applicant is proposing tonight. [0:47:44, 0:47:45]: Here's a rendering. [0:47:47, 0:47:49]: Other proposed town homes? [0:47:51, 0:47:56]: Staff recommended approval for the rezoning with [0:47:57, 0:48:12]: Around twenty f what around thirteen let me see. There are like twenty seven conditions that staff recommend approval of this zoning item. Now I'll move into the um zoning modification push. [0:48:21, 0:48:28]: Staff basically the zoning modification is similar to the rezoning, so staff basically recommend an approval with condition for the zoning modification as well. [0:48:29, 0:48:37]: And it also has twenty five zoning conditions, which I will read into the record later after the decision is made. And the applicant is here. [0:48:38, 0:48:58]: All right. Thanks, sir. So obviously now let's let's go back to the very first one, right, that you uh read in reference to the comprehensive plan amendment. All right, and um the first up. Uh so um as you mentioned that uh counselor, any questions or concerns you have about that comprehensive plan amendment? [0:48:58, 0:49:00]: Mm-hmm. [0:49:00, 0:49:00]: Yeah. [0:49:00, 0:49:02]: Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. [0:49:03, 0:49:04]: So [0:49:05, 0:49:25]: These three agenda items are in district two. I have met with the staff and had conference with uh Mrs. Battle. Um, I don't have a recommendation, uh, but I would like for Ms. Battle to make her presentation and of course uh count. [0:49:24, 0:49:30]: speak to maybe some of the conditions uh in the development side of it. [0:49:30, 0:49:32]: And I just wanna just m mention that. [0:49:32, 0:49:34]: All right. Uh Miss Battle, please. [0:49:47, 0:49:55]: I would imagine you have a presentation that you wanna present as well. Okay. Trying to get there, honey. Okay. One second. [0:49:59, 0:50:19]: Good evening, Michelle Battle with Battle Law 3562, Habersham at North Lake, Tucker, Georgia, 30084. Um, pleased to be with you all this evening with regards to this um particular project. Um as staff has indicated, um, this project has been around for quite some time. Um, to think that it was uh [0:50:19, 0:50:39]: Originally, um at least phase one was rezoned in 2003, and we still don't have units. Um but um Pivotal Enterprise has come in and taken over the project since the original developer and has proceeded with getting the final plat. So there has been work on phase one, um, but they also had a [0:50:39, 0:50:59]: Acquired this additional 2.28 acres of land and desire to add it into the overall project. I think it really makes sense when you look at the location of this property, which is behind the Waffle House, and also kind of behind across the street though. [0:50:59, 0:51:19]: Quick trip. So this property, currently zone C1, really has no visibility from North Henry Boulevard. And so that makes it very difficult for development for any type of commercial use. We believe that it was much better suited to be added in, particularly when you look at the existing layout and where uh the [0:51:19, 0:51:39]: Amenity area comes down Brush Creek. So the site plan or the aerial that you see here in front just shows where the Waffle House, the quick trip. You've got the uh life storage facility on the other side, then you've got an apartment complex that does abut um a portion of the 2.28 acres. This is the [0:51:38, 0:51:39]: Yeah. [0:51:45, 0:52:01]: designation here in the front, but the rest of Rush Creek has the MFR designation and that's what we're trying to get to. We want to be consistent and compatible in order to be able to add this property into Rush Creek. [0:52:03, 0:52:20]: So the previously approved plan is the plan that you see here. Um and again these lots have now been platted and they are ready, um I believe a close-pad ready to be able to start putting in units. And what we are again looking to do is to add [0:52:22, 0:52:25]: into that space. When we look at [0:52:25, 0:52:45]: Overall site plan, what you see is that phase one had 41 units or has 41 units. Those will be rear entry units with access from a alleyway that runs behind. So they will be again rear access. [0:52:45, 0:53:05]: Will be front entry. That is largely because of the size and shape of this lot. It is an oddly configured shot site. It really does not allow for that rear entry access around the perimeter of the property. And so what we are seeking to do is to add [0:53:05, 0:53:25]: At 20 lots to the overall project that would only bring the density up to 3.39 units per acre. So this is not a real intense use of this site. There is a lot of green space that you can see on the north side of the property as there's some streams that cross over phase one. [0:53:25, 0:53:45]: The amenity areas as a result were actually placed along the entrance. So you can see that there was to be a monument sign, a gazebo with school bus and waiting area, sports field, playground, as you're going up Brush Creek Court. So it really does make sense. [0:53:45, 0:54:05]: For the 2.28 acres to be utilized for residential use as opposed to some type of commercial use that would be directly across from those from that amenity area. So when we join in here, this also allows for this community to have more units. [0:54:05, 0:54:13]: To help maintain the overall green space area and the amenity areas for the site. [0:54:14, 0:54:34]: And I think probably even more exciting, I know that um Councilmember Elliott has placed a lot, and not to say that all of you have not, listen let's be clear, but he and I have had to go back and forth on a couple of locations um in terms of um the townhome configuration and what they look like. And I feel like this is [0:54:34, 0:54:54]: More in alignment with some of the more modern townhome look that the city has been pushing for. It has been very difficult in many locations to get the three-story model in other communities. And so I think the fact that Pivotal has come before you with not being begged or conjoled or told that they needed to go back. [0:54:54, 0:55:14]: And relook at it, but they literally came in with a plan to do the three-story units. I think they're very attractive, a modern look. I think that they would be very attractive for young folks in particular who may want to come into this area or stay in this area. And so we are really excited about the product. Phase one. [0:55:14, 0:55:34]: Phase one will also have this three-story type product as well, and they will be consistent in look and style and feel. The only difference being phase one or rear entry, phase two or front entry. But we still think it's a very attractive look and design for the site. [0:55:34, 0:55:54]: With staff. The land use and comprehensive land use plan change is necessary in order to allow us to go to the MFR designation as staff has already indicated. Again, without making these couple of changes, we won't be able to add this into phase one of the project. The conditions that staff has recommended. [0:55:54, 0:56:05]: Amended um we are um favorable with uh let me see if I can actually get those back up. [0:56:06, 0:56:26]: That's the city's presentation, so I'm going to kind of jump through here. The conditions, we've had an opportunity to review them with staff. We feel that they are appropriate for both the rezoning and the zoning modification. [0:56:26, 0:56:46]: The reason why we had to do the zoning modification. I'm just gonna kind of do my whole presentation and the reason why we have to do the zoning modification is because we want to add this in as phase two of the overall project. And there was a development agreement that was actually executed at the time of this research. [0:56:46, 0:57:06]: rezoning back in 2003 that goes with this. Um attorney Valerie Ross has been working on that development agreement. I believe that staff, um legal staff is here this evening hopefully to be able to address that issue as it was to be on the agenda this evening as well, I believe. [0:57:06, 0:57:26]: And so that may have been the reference to the to the fourth thing, but they may have decided to hold that until the next meeting. I'm not sure, so I won't go go too far into that. But the bottom line is um the conditions that we if if this gets approved, the conditions um for the zoning modification would also [0:57:26, 0:57:46]: Be instituted into the or absorbed into the development agreement. So we had to make sure that we had conditions that applied specifically to phase two, in addition to the kind of general broad conditions, which we were not seeking to do a lot of change to. One of the differences, however, that we did want to point [0:57:46, 0:58:06]: Point out is that the original development agreement had a height cap at 40. We are asking to be consistent with the new MFR requirements, which is 45. We will need that extra in order to do the three stories and to do it in the fashion that you saw on the [0:58:06, 0:58:11]: And then I believe finally [0:58:11, 0:58:31]: Um we had asked for a couple of tweaks um which staff has made. Um one was pertaining to the permit issuance. Um there had been a provision that talked about um needing a land disturbance permit and building permits, um, that those could not be issued until we recorded the final plat. Um that actually [0:58:31, 0:58:51]: Is not possible because you can't get to a final plat without getting the LDP because the LDP puts in all the infrastructure. So Counselor Ross was able to make that modification. So I think that we're set with the proposed conditions and staff will go over, I guess. [0:58:51, 0:59:00]: Guess those in more detail, but we would ask for approval of the application as proposed and conditioned by staff. Thank you. [0:59:00, 0:59:01]: All right. [0:59:01, 0:59:10]: And w one one last point. Um in terms of price points on these units, um they should be starting in about the four fifties um for um for the project. Thank you. [0:59:11, 0:59:18]: All right. Uh don't go anywhere, please. Okay. Questions, uh any questions, counsel you may have for uh for Miss Battle? [0:59:19, 0:59:22]: I was gonna defer to Councilman Thomas if he doesn't have any questions. [0:59:23, 0:59:43]: Go ahead. Go ahead. Let me just say this. Um, I'm glad 2003 never happened. I am. Because this project, I've been over there, I took the time to go over there to see it, and the three-story product is phenomenal. It is. It is price pointed at. I saw the advertisement. [0:59:42, 1:00:02]: The other day for$450, with the finished space, it could go above$500. They are exactly what you would see in a north side development. If this product was on the north side, it would be$600,000,$700,000. The the delta detail that has gone into [1:00:02, 1:00:22]: To it, eight-foot doors, nine-foot ceilings on the bottom and top level, uh, tile showers, granite, office space on the lower level, 2300 square feet. These are town homes that other developers told us wasn't possible to be built in Stockbridge, but this uh raises the bar for the [1:00:22, 1:00:42]: Level of development. I just want to make sure we're consistent. We got the paths in there, we got uh everything else that we demanded of other uh developments in themselves. But you really should did yourself a disservice not bringing a picture of the actual development because it is absolutely stunning. [1:00:42, 1:01:02]: Because again, those rear entry garages and the approach from the rear is very, very attractive. Again, you know, with 500 square feet of flex space in the basement, it could be a full fruit three stories and could go to 3,000 square feet. So these is [1:01:02, 1:01:22]: Is exactly, I think, what we've been looking for because I think we wanted to be an example of saying we wanted townhomes equivalent to what you would see in a single family home. If you walked in this town home, you would not know that you were in a townhome. You would think that you were in a single family home, and uh the [1:01:22, 1:01:42]: Level of quality that they went to just by seeing it and being in its midst, understanding. We've already approved the rear entry model. The front entry model is just as attractive as the rear entry model. And as was indicated, I do believe that this is much better. [1:01:42, 1:02:02]: better suited for this development than to have some residential come there because we've had some some commercial come there that may not be exactly what we desire. So from have from seeing it firsthand basis and the conditions that the staff has actually recommended, I I think it's um it certainly would be [1:02:02, 1:02:08]: Uh it's uh is something that uh the council should certainly consider looking at favorably. Thank you. [1:02:09, 1:02:29]: Mr. Thomas, do you have anything, sir? I just wanted to concur. One of the things that stood out for me was the uh the rear entry, because in some of the other previous development, I always questioned uh the front entries. So uh this is just one of the issues that stands out, but I do concur with uh Councilman Alexander's comment. [1:02:29, 1:02:30]: Okay. [1:02:30, 1:02:32]: Ladies, any comments over here? [1:02:32, 1:02:33]: [3753.9, 3772.3]: I just think it's a great development in general. I love it. I love the look of it. Um, I think that's something that we definitely have stated in the past. Like if we're gonna get a town home, make sure it's a nice townhome. And this is extremely nice. The design of it is desired and it's something that we see [1:02:52, 1:03:12]: in um some of the prominent areas in in Atlanta. Um and so I I love this design and I think that it will definitely attract millennials. Um I think that it's something that that we just we want it and it's the vision that we have here for our city. So [1:03:12, 1:03:14]: That made my life very difficult. [1:03:14, 1:03:25]: Yeah. Moving forward. Right one, Councilman Alexander. Okay. How many bedrooms? [1:03:30, 1:03:31]: Four or five Everons. [1:03:32, 1:03:35]: How many are four and how many are five? Just curious. [1:03:36, 1:03:44]: Yeah, sir, why don't you why don't you come to the mic? Why don't you come to the mic, please? Just come to mic. Come to mic, please, gentlemen. I'm just cueing. Just come to mic. [1:03:46, 1:04:06]: I don't think that that has been determined. Um in part probably as the um new residents uh come in they will be able to make that selection as to whether or not they want it to be a um a bedroom or if they want it to be office space. There you go. Um say your name, yeah, your address. My name is Masood Fatimi. I live at forty three twenty Peppermill Road. [1:04:06, 1:04:26]: Marietta, Georgia. But my son lives here and is the Ho Chi Bank controlling the construction. The designs are definitely definitely three bedrooms. And depending on whether the master bedroom has a sitting area. [1:04:26, 1:04:46]: Or not. That has changed to four bedrooms. And on the main level, we have an area that could be a breakfast area or breakfast room. In some models, it is a breakfast room. In some models, it can turn into an office/slash bedroom. [1:04:46, 1:05:06]: Number five. So it has its own closet, full bathroom. So we also have a full bathroom stopped in the basement in case someone wants to finish the basement. Could be the end units, they have access window to the outside, so it could be a bedroom. [1:05:06, 1:05:21]: interior units they're all could be just play area or office area or anything else the homeowner wants to improve it uh in the future. Any questions? I don't know. Yeah Ms. Barber is that answer a question for you? [1:05:21, 1:05:36]: Thank you, sir. I do have one more question. Sure. So and this is mainly for Mr. Anderson. Ms. Battle may be able to answer it too. So I know that the council approved some amendments to um our codes. [1:05:36, 1:05:38]: The front yard set bay. [1:05:38, 1:05:45]: The reason why I asked how many bedrooms this is, um, I assume that it would be a family of maybe four. [1:05:46, 1:05:51]: Five people and they may all be driving. So considering [1:05:51, 1:05:53]: The number of occupants. [1:05:54, 1:05:59]: and vehicles that they may need to park um in the driveway. [1:06:00, 1:06:06]: Are we st we approved the council approved the front yard setback? Was that twenty, twenty-five feet? [1:06:07, 1:06:10]: Uh to thirty feet. Thirty feet. Okay. Mm-hmm. [1:06:11, 1:06:31]: So with this one is this this particular development is is um regulated by a development plan and they meet the um it's regulated by the Brush Creek Development Plan, which is separate from uh the MFR standards we recently adopted. So they have a governing plan that that regulates this particular development. However, they do meet [1:06:31, 1:06:42]: meet the parking requirements. They have a double car garage, which is two parking, and then they have the driveway, which considered is two parking. So each unit will have four parking spaces. [1:06:46, 1:06:55]: And they have uh and on the on the development plan they do have guest parking on the site plan. So they they meet or exceed the the current code requirement for parking. [1:06:55, 1:06:57]: Thank you, sir. You're welcome. [1:06:57, 1:06:59]: Council, any other questions? [1:06:59, 1:07:05]: Yes. Uh go ahead please. Uh I I wanted to make sure that all of the physical [1:07:06, 1:07:26]: uh question before we get into the public hearing. And I and I just noticed something in the reading about the Homeown Association. And even though we're talking phase one and phase two, it seemed like it was a discussion uh to have different entit entities but have a combined homeone [1:07:26, 1:07:44]: It'll just be one HOA and that's why that's the whole purpose of us combining it into phase one and phase two. So there'll be one HOA and everybody will be responsible for paying um the HOA assessments to maintain all of the green areas and the common areas um and recreational areas. [1:07:44, 1:07:47]: and and and the governance of the association. [1:07:48, 1:07:53]: will be by one um board. So there'll only be one board. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. [1:07:54, 1:07:56]: Yeah, the question is council. [1:07:56, 1:08:12]: And if not, then open up the public hearing. So um let's get comments from the audience or the individuals here if they have any comments at all. So anybody is four for this particular development. All right, positive comments for. On my very left side over here, any comments four. [1:08:14, 1:08:15]: Any comments in the middle? Four. [1:08:16, 1:08:19]: Any comments from our far right side four? [1:08:20, 1:08:25]: Any comments against this particular dome, something negative per se, my far left side. [1:08:25, 1:08:38]: Any comments against? In the middle, any comments against? Before I write any comments against. No comments want for or against. I'll close out that part of the public hearing. And then uh mister Anderson, please come back. [1:08:41, 1:09:01]: All right, so um let me we're gonna start with item number seven then. Unless there are any comments directly from the council right now. If not, I'll read through which is the comprehensive plan amendment case, CP-2024-03, located in Council District 2. Consideration of comprehensive plan amendment. [1:09:01, 1:09:21]: amendment request to change the future land use designation of parcel number s0 seven zero one zero zero six zero zero zero on the east side of Brush Creek Court from its current future land use designation to low density mixed use to medium density residential to allow for a town home development. Applicant Pivot [1:09:21, 1:09:37]: Enterprises LLC CEO Battle Group PC. The property is located in Land Law 59 District 12 and contains uh two point two eight acres. All right, council on that uh is there a motion to approve this or not? [1:09:40, 1:09:45]: Yes, ma'am. Well I'm sorry. Well I I do um [1:09:46, 1:09:52]: I just spoke to Miss Battle about a certain issue. Miss Battle, you may want to come back. But it does not [1:09:53, 1:09:58]: It it does not have any bearing on the approval. I just just part of the discussion. [1:10:03, 1:10:03]: Okay. [1:10:04, 1:10:13]: Is there something you need? I believe that the question there was a question, he just wanted clarification about the access. If we can put back up the site plan just so he can see. [1:10:15, 1:10:35]: Access will be from um North Henry Boulevard. There's also a side street that comes in off um in um past the um behind the QT. Um and we believe that that is sufficient access um to allow. We're not um exceeding with the um total number of units being less than [1:10:35, 1:10:49]: We technically only need one point of entry. So you do have the entry coming off the street is public up until it gets uh actually I think it's public all the way through for Brush Creek Court. Okay. [1:10:50, 1:11:10]: You could. If there's no other questions, mayor, I do recommend approval uh for the uh consideration of the comprehensive plan amendment. We got your second. Okay, mr for Mr. Thomas and Mr. Allison, all favor, please indicate. Yeah, I'm trying to answer the decision. Thank you very much, council. Okay, item number eight. [1:11:10, 1:11:21]: rezoning case RZ dash two zero two four dash zero three probably located council district two consideration of rezoning request to rezone parcel [1:11:21, 1:11:41]: S07-01-006000 on the east side of Brush Creek Court from C2 General Commercial to MFR multiple family residential allow for a townhome development. Applicant Pivocal Enterprises LLC C O Battle Law PC project is located in landlock 50. [1:11:41, 1:11:46]: fifty nine district twelve and contains two point two eight acres. [1:11:46, 1:11:49]: Council need a motion to approve. [1:11:49, 1:11:50]: This rezoning case. [1:11:53, 1:11:54]: So is there a second? [1:11:55, 1:11:55]: Uh [1:11:56, 1:12:00]: Uh I just want clarification. Mr. Anderson, this is where you read the conditions in. [1:12:01, 1:12:05]: Yes, sir. There are like twenty plus conditions. [1:12:09, 1:12:29]: Yeah, she did it. So I just won't read it. It's number nine or what? Number nine. Mm-hmm. Okay. I think that one could. [1:12:29, 1:12:32]: Okay. [1:12:32, 1:12:51]: So we got like 25 conditions. All right, sure. Um condition number one is the rezoning of parcel S07-01-006000 for the per proposed development of phase two shall not be approved unl unless comprehensive plan amendment case RZ twenty four-0 three is first approved. [1:12:54, 1:13:14]: Condition two parcel S O seven das zero one zero zero six zero zero zero shall not be designated as phase two of the Brush Creek Commons Town Home Development and it shall not be combined with parcel S zero seven A O one one zero zero zero phase one unless zoning modification [1:13:14, 1:13:34]: Case ZM 2024-01 is approved. Compliance with original rezoning development agreement is zoning modification case ZM 2024-01 is approved to allow phase two to be combined with phase one and an overall development. [1:13:34, 1:13:54]: For Brush Creek Commons, the developer shall comply with the requirements of the approved rezoning case RZ-03-04 via rezoning number three. That's rezoning number 03-152. [1:13:54, 1:14:05]: The original development agreement. The first amendment of development agreements dated December thirteenth, twenty twenty-four. We're referring to the original plan. And the second amendment to development agreement. [1:14:06, 1:14:11]: Dated august thirteenth, two thousand seven, with the exception of the other conditions that are listed. [1:14:13, 1:14:21]: Submit to the city clerk and city attorney an updated legal description and plat certified by an engineer or surveyor, the license in the state of Georgia. [1:14:21, 1:14:26]: of the property. Amend the declarations of restricted covenants for phase one to incorporate phase two. [1:14:27, 1:14:29]: To state that the town home units in phase two shall have [1:14:31, 1:14:38]: Shall shall have ha have all of the same rights and privileges to use the common areas and amenities that are located within phase one. [1:14:39, 1:14:59]: Site plan. The developer shall build phase two according to a site plan, which is very similar to the submitted site plan for phase two, entitled Rezoning Plat Brush Creek Commons Phase Two, which was prepared by DGM Land Planning Consultants, Incorporated. MFR versus M2 Zoning District Requirement. [1:14:59, 1:15:16]: The developer shall comply with the MFR district requirements except where they conflict with the R RM2 district requirements or any other one. It's hard to see though. [1:15:17, 1:15:18]: Make it brighter. [1:15:21, 1:15:38]: Okay, number six, the front yard setback of the proposed townhome lots for phase two may be only twenty feet instead of the MRF MFR district requirements of fifty feet because the second amendment to development agreement allow front yard setback that are only eight that are only ten feet. [1:15:41, 1:15:42]: Did you finish number five, sir? [1:15:43, 1:15:45]: Yes, sir. Okay. [1:15:45, 1:15:48]: Phone number seven now, Mary. All right, go right here, please. Okay. [1:15:51, 1:16:11]: Number seven, the applicant shall apply for a recombination of the phase two parcel number S0780110000 with the phase one parcel number S07-01006000. Any new final plat for the overall [1:16:11, 1:16:17]: Commons developments shall be officially recorded at the Henry County Superior Court. [1:16:23, 1:16:43]: Number eight, if ZM 2024-01 is not approved, then parcel S07-00, I mean S07-01-00600 shall not be a standalone development. It must comply with the requirements of the MFR Single Family. [1:16:43, 1:16:45]: [4606.6, 4609.2]: Number nine, no land disturbance permit. [1:16:52, 1:17:03]: Well we that one has been wiped out. No no land disturbance permit or building permit shall be included for phase two until the applicant submits a copy of the new preliminary for the overall [1:17:05, 1:17:07]: Oh thank you, man. Thank you. I couldn't see hi. [1:17:08, 1:17:09]: There you go. [1:17:09, 1:17:13]: I can't remember how to say now. Is that [1:17:15, 1:17:34]: The you have to submit the preliminary plan before you no land disturbance. No, let me read that again. No land disturbance LDP or building permits shall be issued for phase two until the applicant submits a copy of the new preliminary site plan for the overall Brush Creek Commons development containing both phase one and phase two to the community development department. [1:17:36, 1:17:37]: Phase two. [1:17:41, 1:18:01]: Phase two shall be developed in general conformity with the phase two site plan submitted to the Stockbridge planning staff on October 7, 2024, and shall adhere to all of the City of Stockbridge MFR ordinance requirements, except that there is a conflict between the MFR ordinance requirements and the conditions set forth in the development agreement in the development agreement. [1:18:01, 1:18:06]: as amended from time to time, the conditions set forth in the development agreement shall control. [1:18:08, 1:18:12]: The maximum building height shall be forty five feet. [1:18:13, 1:18:28]: All townhouses shall have a mixture of front facade consisting of covered entryway, porches, bay windows, and or balconies. Garages shall be accentuated with variations of design portfolios. [1:18:29, 1:18:40]: The owner shall submit elevations of the buildings to be approved by the city. Each I'm on number 14 now. Each unit should have three-sided brick, no vinyl siding, and vanilla brick will be allowed. [1:18:42, 1:18:53]: The owner shall install street trees along all streets to be placed between the sidewalk and the front property lines. Have a minimum two and one half inch caliber. [1:18:54, 1:19:00]: Shall have a minimum 24 foot planning area and she'll shall be spaced on the average of 45 feet apart. [1:19:01, 1:19:21]: Owner will provide a list of 10 trees to be provided and subject to modification by the city. Number 16. A streetscaping plan shall be submitted to the city of Stockbridge, planning and zoning staff for comments and approved by the city to include sidewalks, street trees, landscaping, street lighting, and street furniture. [1:19:21, 1:19:30]: Any flood number 17. Any floodplain alteration be supported by a certified engineer at the plan review stage. [1:19:31, 1:19:51]: The applicant shall submit to the city clerk and city engineer an updated legal description and plat certified by an engineer or surveyor licensed in the state of Georgia of the property. Number 19, the maximum units per building shall be no more than six units per building. Number 20, the minimum distance between buildings shall be 20. [1:19:51, 1:19:55]: The minimum front yard setback shall be twenty feet. [1:19:55, 1:20:03]: Number 22, the minimum side yard setback should be 15 feet. 23, the minimum rear yard setback shall be 20 feet. [1:20:03, 1:20:20]: 24. A declaration of restricted covenants for phase one shall be amended, amended and modified to incorporate phase two, and the units in phase two shall have all of the rights and privileges to use the common areas and amenities located within phase one. [1:20:21, 1:20:38]: 25. The building department shall not issue a building permit until such time as the Director of Community Development has certified that each of the prospective phase of development sewer capacity is sufficient to accommodate the additional sewage that will be generated by the proposed development. [1:20:40, 1:20:52]: Lastly, number 26. The rezoning is subject to the property owners and developers execution of the amended development agreement, which will embody these conditions of zoning for phase two. [1:20:53, 1:20:54]: Right question. [1:20:54, 1:21:07]: Right place. Now originally we had a trail plan in phase number two, which included a trail on uh the original phase. Where is that? It was along some areas in there. [1:21:08, 1:21:08]: Yeah, still there. [1:21:09, 1:21:20]: Right. So w this incorporated those same elements as well. Yes. And the main three road, how wide is the sidewalk on the main three road? Eight feet, ten feet. [1:21:21, 1:21:25]: Uh, how wide is the sidewalk? Let me let me double check, I don't wanna tell you uh [1:21:28, 1:21:40]: Because we want the main through road to connect at some point to so that there would be um some type of connection between that trail. It's just not a trail that goes to nowhere. Yeah. [1:21:41, 1:21:43]: That trail was passive, right? [1:21:45, 1:21:45]: Yeah. [1:21:46, 1:21:50]: So the the the trail is is is I think is only um [1:21:51, 1:22:10]: It's an internal trail, it doesn't go outside the development. Right, but the main through road wanted some connection point to the main through road so residents can take it and then maybe take this their sidewalk to this trail without having to cross somebody's yard or something. So [1:22:13, 1:22:16]: Ms. Bowter, you have s you have the applicant here who wants to speak. [1:22:18, 1:22:20]: We're trying to put that back up there. [1:22:25, 1:22:25]: So we go. [1:22:28, 1:22:28]: Yeah. [1:22:31, 1:22:35]: Uh if you look to the north here, we have the trail coming through [1:22:36, 1:22:48]: on this part and it excuse my name is Iman Fatami. I live off of uh 115 TI Street here in Stockbridge. Uh so the trail actually comes and connects to the main road here. [1:22:49, 1:22:59]: and comes around through the top here. We have five wood foot sidewalks in the main section, but the the trail is all through the woodlands in the north. [1:23:00, 1:23:11]: Right. Is there a restriction or is there a ability to widen that trail to the customary eight that we've been doing in other ma and like we did at the one on um [1:23:12, 1:23:29]: Yeah. No, I'm I'm saying the trail on the trail the other trail that's going to the main trail is wider than that, right? On phase two, the the the recreational trail is how wide is it? Eight that's eight feet, eight to ten feet already, right? [1:23:32, 1:23:33]: Yeah. [1:23:33, 1:23:53]: You're talking about uh I'm just trying to be clear. We've got sidewalks um within within uh along um Brush Creek Court um that allow for walkability. The trail is really for the residents, which is a mul I think it's a mulch trail. Or did you do a nice trail? [1:23:53, 1:24:13]: Yeah, it's a natural trail. No, it was not. It was a paved trail. We asked for that in the original uh rezoning. Or was that it would need to be a paved trail, not a trailer. But you can do a paved trail when you're coming through this area in the back where you've got the stream buffers and the like. I can't imagine that. [1:24:13, 1:24:19]: that not allowed that would be uh allowed because you're within some of the stream buffer. [1:24:20, 1:24:40]: Mr. Anderson, step to the podium. That's what the requirement was in the original request, because we made these conditions and put it in there that it would be a paved trail uh along that section because it would be kind of like a, you know, along the stream, you would have a paved trail along the street. That's that's what we asked for. [1:24:40, 1:24:43]: Whatever is in the development agreement now, that's what we've been compliant. [1:24:43, 1:24:43]: Mm-hmm. [1:24:44, 1:24:53]: Yes, this is governed by the original uh two thousand three um development plan and that part wasn't affected by the uh zoning modifications. [1:24:54, 1:25:13]: So they didn't ask for a modification on that portion. What they agreed to put in was a pervious trail due to the environmental issues back there. So it would be mostly a MOAS trail uh as an amenity for the residents. It was it was not meant to connect to the um to the public trail network. And uh the original development plan did not call for that. [1:25:15, 1:25:21]: I know the original plan didn't, but when they came to us, we asked that that be included. I know I did. [1:25:22, 1:25:26]: You're trying to twenty twenty two? Twenty twenty two. Okay. I can pull that. [1:25:26, 1:25:27]: Mm. [1:25:29, 1:25:43]: But we c we we we can come back to that. But certainly the main through road, we've always insisted that we have a multi-use trail along the main through road. So a five foot sidewalk, I can't ride my bike on the five foot sidewalk. [1:25:44, 1:25:50]: No sir, I'm talking about the sidewalk in front. [1:25:50, 1:26:02]: The sidewalks are five feet. Right, but we need them wider than five feet. We need them to be able to ride a bike on the sidewalk rather than wider than the street. Now that requires a multi-use trail of six to eight feet. [1:26:05, 1:26:05]: There's just [1:26:06, 1:26:09]: There's just it's gonna kill all the front yard. [1:26:10, 1:26:30]: We talking about one we're talking about one or two feet. So we're talking about we got five right now, so we're talking about going up to a So here's what the challenge is. Mm-hmm. Phase one, which came all the way down Brush Creek, already has the sidewalk installed. So the infrastructure which was approved under the final plat. [1:26:30, 1:26:30]: Yeah. [1:26:30, 1:26:35]: has already been approved and that sidewalk has already been installed. [1:26:36, 1:26:43]: So the only uh it to the extent that there's any additional sidewalk on the side where phase two is at? [1:26:45, 1:27:05]: I I understand that, but we want the residents to be able to walk out their door and get on their bike without getting in the street. And the only way that they can do that [1:27:05, 1:27:25]: is they gotta have a six to eight foot trail in front of the house. A five foot sidewalk, no one over 13 can ride a bike on a five foot sidewalk. You can't do that. So we all we've been insisting that we have those trails be at least six to eight feet wide. We're only talking about one foot, maybe two feet, if it could be six or seven feet. [1:27:24, 1:27:38]: then bikes can be written on that. Resident can leave their house. But we don't want them to have to get in their car to go to Walmart. We want them to be able to get on their bike or get on a scooter and go over there without getting in the car. That's the whole point. [1:27:38, 1:27:58]: This this subdivision is not a a very crowded subdivision. It's only twenty units. I don't imagine uh it's gonna be so crowded anyone cannot ride a bike in five foot. If you like six foot we do six foot, but main subdivision is ordinary Let's let's let's come to [1:27:58, 1:28:05]: that solution. You can ride a bike on six feet. So I'm okay with it if you widen it another foot to six feet. [1:28:05, 1:28:19]: We do that for the new twenty f for the phase two, because phase one is already right taken care of. Right. I miss battle, you were looking to see whether or not what we approved some some time ago, is that what you're looking for? Yes. [1:28:22, 1:28:37]: And as you're looking for that, otherwise the trail network that is in the green space around the the creek bed itself, there's environmental issues that uh doesn't pro prohibit you to have a concrete service. Is that what you're saying? [1:28:37, 1:28:45]: I wanna see the c I don't w what what environmental issues present present presents uh where's the code that says that? [1:28:45, 1:28:50]: For for the trail or for the sidewalk? Yes, Sam Yes yes ma'am. [1:28:53, 1:28:54]: Yeah. [1:28:54, 1:28:58]: Oh you have in uh two thousand twenty-two. [1:28:58, 1:29:07]: Could could could you explain, sir, about environmental issues there? For the trail? Yeah, for the trail. I mean if I mean uh we have wetlands. Right. [1:29:07, 1:29:13]: We have buffer zones. Right. And per your own code they're not allowed us to do any paving. [1:29:13, 1:29:13]: Okay. [1:29:15, 1:29:16]: We just need to be natural. [1:29:16, 1:29:24]: I see. And it's based on our own code that we approved some time ago is what it amounts to. Mr Anderson, you can verify that? [1:29:25, 1:29:37]: Uh that's correct correct ma. I was trying to pull up the uh uh area photo of the area to show uh council member Alexander the issues there. Miss Holliday has the conditions that we actually required. [1:29:39, 1:29:43]: It's in there. I know it is'cause I asked for it. Going back to twenty twenty two. [1:29:50, 1:30:05]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. While this is taking place and I want to be sure that uh this was a part of the twenty-six conditions. Uh in order for us to approve, uh we will have to approve those twenty-six conditions. [1:30:06, 1:30:17]: So I I think it's important that we do clarify that. Yeah, no problem. I mean well the way to get clarification. Uh Miss Annister working on something and Miss Battle and Vanessa working on something else. You get clarification and make sure we're we're straight. [1:30:19, 1:30:28]: Oh just like we're not saying we'll pull up. Where's the maps? The what the what's on jump. You don't know right. [1:30:29, 1:30:33]: They agreed to it. They agreed. Oh. There you go. [1:30:34, 1:30:52]: Well you that's what we really want to do. We want to get out on handle standards. Right. [1:30:53, 1:31:09]: You're trying to go to Q public the one that is going to be. They make reference to something happened in twenty twenty two, but we're gonna see. But Elton wanna insist that uh you know it's one. I don't think so. Yeah. [1:31:10, 1:31:14]: And you know what we're talking about before. Nobody outside walks along the front each other. [1:31:15, 1:31:25]: The front front hand has creep coming. Exactly. What the development plan was. I don't remember that can demand it though. [1:31:27, 1:31:29]: One five seven Brush Creek Cummings. [1:31:39, 1:31:42]: Yeah, I ain't got no room to it to expand the sidewalks. [1:31:45, 1:31:51]: They'd be up for a one foot section next to a five foot section, it's gonna work. I mean, you know what I mean. [1:31:53, 1:32:01]: No, you wanna pull up the the map? We'll show a area photo of Quick Trip in uh in Waffle House. [1:32:01, 1:32:03]: Show the area leading down there to the rope. [1:32:12, 1:32:25]: Along the frontage, there there's really no room, right? I'm saying along the frontage on Brush Creek Commons. Where you front on Brush Creek Commons Where you front at on Brush Creek Commons, do you have any room? [1:32:29, 1:32:33]: That's the So you can you can pour it in on the phase two you can pour wider sidewalks. [1:32:35, 1:32:36]: There's [1:32:36, 1:32:46]: So that's the they can that's that's the parcel right there. That's that's um Waffle House and that's the QT. And that's where they're that's where they're building over there. [1:32:50, 1:32:52]: I don't know if you want to show the phone. Sure, show it, show it. [1:32:53, 1:32:55]: You want to show that no, just show uh [1:32:57, 1:32:58]: Show that is [1:32:58, 1:33:00]: So with Buscrey Commons that [1:33:01, 1:33:02]: That's breastfree commons right there. [1:33:02, 1:33:08]: Way the development right there. Yeah, that's where they're trying to build right there, that little triangle property right there. [1:33:13, 1:33:20]: Do you have something, Mr. Ad? Uh yeah, uh the applicant is willing to uh expand the sidewalks on phase two. [1:33:21, 1:33:24]: But uh phase one is governed by [1:33:25, 1:33:31]: The original development plan that goes back to two thousand and three, when they came in and did the modification. [1:33:31, 1:33:37]: Um, they didn't seek to amend the sidewalk portion. [1:33:37, 1:33:47]: That's two thousand and three, you said. So none of us back in two thousand and twenty two or twenty two. Well they came in to amend the two thousand and three original development plan. Okay. [1:33:47, 1:34:00]: And they didn't and they did not request a modification of the sidewalks at that time. We we do we you said we d excuse me a second. So we did not. We didn't read the applicant did not request that. Did not request that. [1:34:00, 1:34:05]: But we did. And and uh w do we have the conditions from twenty twenty two? [1:34:09, 1:34:12]: All of those things were agreed upon right there at the podium. [1:34:13, 1:34:16]: They were said that it would be expensive, but we would do it. [1:34:18, 1:34:38]: Here's what I know. Whatever the conditions say, that's what we have to do. So if the condition says what you say it says, then staff can review that and just verify if that's what it said. Right now we can't the the two ordinance the ordinance that she's got there does not [1:34:38, 1:34:58]: have the actual conditions that I can see on there but the bottom line is that's easy enough to obtain and so to the extent that that's what you all approved the last time this the the final plat should be consistent with whatever you approve. [1:34:58, 1:34:58]: True. [1:34:58, 1:35:01]: So if it said six feet [1:35:01, 1:35:03]: then they should be six feet. [1:35:03, 1:35:23]: And if they have to change it, then that's i it is what it is because we have to comply with whatever you all approved in twenty one. I just want to make sure you want to say in phase two we can get the sidewalk walking while we're agreeable to widen the sidewalk to six phase two, yes. We're gonna go back and look at what the conditions were that we asked for on twenty twenty two about the pay about [1:35:23, 1:35:29]: About the uh about the recreational trail. Yes, sir. All right, thank you. Yes. [1:35:30, 1:35:37]: Okay, she found it. All right. So on that note then she says she found it. Let's see what she found. [1:35:49, 1:35:50]: Right. [1:35:55, 1:36:11]: neighboring lots, extended sidewalk to internet neighborhood development commercial space. There's nothing here that I see to be looking at me that says a specific width. [1:36:12, 1:36:28]: Those are the conditions. That's what was put forth in the um approval, both assigned by Mayor Ford and um attested by um City and the City. [1:36:31, 1:36:33]: No specific [1:36:53, 1:36:54]: Yeah. [1:37:00, 1:37:05]: I think staff just has to go back through and look at that to verify that whatever [1:37:09, 1:37:29]: Okay, this is what I would add. I'm gonna ask staff to go back and watch the actual video from that meeting and the rezoning so you can see what actually said. Sometimes staff looks and takes the notes but does not take the notes on exactly what happened. I think we should go back and watch the video. [1:37:28, 1:37:42]: as well. So certainly I'm agreeable to the sidewalls being six feet on phase two. You will go back, you will review the video and the documentation to determine what was appropriate for the recreational trio. [1:37:42, 1:38:02]: Commissioner Alexander, I think uh you may have mistaken the sidewalk with the trail. I believe I remember you discussing the trail being widened. Not the sidewalk, but we can check on that. Yeah, with a second. So on that note, the rest of the council, are you agreeable to what has been stated thus far? You all agreeable? Okay. [1:38:02, 1:38:07]: Looks like g sort of guess a consensus today. All right. So on that note [1:38:07, 1:38:17]: Mr. Thomas, are you ready to make a motion, sir? I do have um a question there for it. Okay, go ahead, please. Um I see that there is a clubhouse, but I don't see a pool. [1:38:18, 1:38:24]: I'm sure that's another thing that we didn't include. Uh th there's no pull. [1:38:24, 1:38:28]: There's no pool. There's no pool. Okay. Are we able to add a pool? [1:38:29, 1:38:49]: Um no because it's too small of a community. Um that would add too much cost. That's why the amenity area is it's going down Brush Creek. And so that was the amenities that had had been agreed to and we have not asked for any changes. Um those were in phase um one. So phase two is just to add those additional [1:38:49, 1:38:57]: Lots, but the all of the recreational area was a part of the phase one requirements. And there was no pool requirement. [1:38:57, 1:39:10]: Okay. So because we are making these modifications, we're unable to modify anything I would say this. I I understand what your request is and what I'm telling you is the applicant can't do the pull. [1:39:10, 1:39:24]: So you can make the motion, I guess, and I guess if everybody agreed with it, but we would we won't agree to the pool because the pool would put too much additional cost on a very small group of people to maintain that pool. [1:39:24, 1:39:44]: Thank you. Mr. Anderson, um are we able to make any modifications to the first phase if the council so desires to do that? Yes, if the council s so desires, but originally in um November of uh 2022, the applicant came came before council and council removed the [1:39:44, 1:39:56]: pool requirement from the original development plan. That was part of the f the phase one zoning modification that happened in November of twenty twenty two. So they removed it because of the expense. [1:39:58, 1:40:09]: Can you repeat yourself, please? Sorry, some chatter getting here. In November of twenty twenty-two, these applicants came before city council requesting a zoning modification to the original development plan. [1:40:09, 1:40:11]: That was adopted in twenty twenty three. [1:40:11, 1:40:12]: In two thousand and three. [1:40:13, 1:40:14]: They came in in twenty twenty two. [1:40:15, 1:40:17]: Requesting a modification to the two thousand and three [1:40:18, 1:40:23]: original development plan and council agreed to allow them to remove the pool requirement. [1:40:24, 1:40:33]: Because it was such a small community and a swimming pool would've made it too expensive for the HOA. So we removed the pool requirement back in twenty twenty two. [1:40:33, 1:40:40]: Thank you, sir, for that explanation. Um, but now that we are considering this second phase. [1:40:40, 1:40:42]: Then just for me. [1:40:42, 1:40:45]: I'm only speaking for me. Um [1:40:46, 1:40:51]: I think it would be a good attractive amenity to have a pool all new. [1:40:51, 1:40:55]: Developments should include a pool, but that's just me. [1:40:56, 1:40:57]: I have one other question though. [1:40:57, 1:41:00]: Reading um the staff's recommendation [1:41:01, 1:41:02]: Item G [1:41:03, 1:41:05]: It talks about um [1:41:05, 1:41:07]: The installation of treatment [1:41:08, 1:41:09]: Street trees. [1:41:10, 1:41:18]: And it says it should be installed along all streets to be placed between the sidewalk and the front property lines. [1:41:18, 1:41:19]: Mm-hmm. [1:41:20, 1:41:26]: I think we talked about this once before in another case. Um those trees and maybe I'm [1:41:27, 1:41:28]: Just [1:41:28, 1:41:31]: picturing it differently. Trees installed. [1:41:32, 1:41:35]: In between the sidewalks it's gonna make the sidewalks buckle. [1:41:37, 1:41:38]: Co it could [1:41:40, 1:41:41]: Um [1:41:42, 1:41:45]: I mean, there have been cases of that, but uh [1:41:48, 1:42:08]: I think they put a th there's some type of cage or something. N not exactly a cage that they that they can find the s the the street tree roots in, which prevents them from spreading now. So but um there's no guarantee that they won't spread, but it will be rare. So there's a new technology they use when they plant this tree. [1:42:08, 1:42:16]: They encase them inside a cage so they can't spread, the roots can't spread out and buckle the sidewalk. [1:42:16, 1:42:19]: That's that's what they use now when they uh plant street trees. [1:42:20, 1:42:35]: Okay, Mr. Gardner, help me out. Um, because I've seen I've driven through many neighborhoods and I've seen where the roots of those trees buckle and the sidewalks just tear apart. Um and of course that would be a cost to the city. [1:42:36, 1:42:39]: to have to repair those. So I want to make sure we get it right from the beginning. [1:42:40, 1:42:44]: Yes, ma'am. So it depends on the type of the species of trees they use. [1:42:44, 1:42:53]: So certain trees, um, their roots don't spread, they go down. Um, and we always advise, and that's one of the issues that [1:42:53, 1:42:58]: some development like Monarch Village Hove because they use the wrong species trees when they put'em in. [1:42:59, 1:42:59]: Um [1:43:00, 1:43:20]: And so it just depends on what species tree they use. But if you if they're gonna put'em at the back of the sidewalk on the private property, uh, as long as they agree to put it out well, utilities meant um between the sidewalk and the front property like that. Between the sidewalk and [1:43:20, 1:43:30]: It's gonna be in the middle of the yard, you know that you away out of on the sidewalk and to the house or around the [1:43:30, 1:43:38]: Can we um amend that description here so we're just specific about where to plant those trees? [1:43:39, 1:43:44]: So we can go to the water. There's no other place it can go. We can we can put in writing. [1:43:46, 1:44:06]: So it's not it's not curved, then landscape strip, tree, and then sidewalk. It's curved side I think it's a landscape piece of grass, then there's the sidewalk and then the trees are on the back side. They're not on the front side between the curb and the sidewalk. So they're not between. [1:44:06, 1:44:26]: Between the curb and the sidewalk. They're they're where the concern comes from. They're technically gonna be along the prop along the front yard, which is the best place for them to be. We don't want them between the sidewalk and the curb because then you're gonna have the issue of it bursting the sidewalk and the curbing and getting into the streets. And that's where you see those humps in the road when folks [1:44:26, 1:44:42]: 'Cause the roots are going under. Um and we could actually uh ask them to put a certain type of tree in if they don't we'll we'll name the spec the species of tree that roots go down that they can put in um that would allow for the to stop that from potentially happening. [1:44:43, 1:44:46]: Okay, I just I just wanted to make sure I addressed that. [1:44:47, 1:44:49]: Got some clarity. Thank you, sir. [1:44:49, 1:44:51]: Ms. Canton, you had a question? [1:44:51, 1:44:58]: Well, n now that sh that's been answered, I think that's a valid point in regards to the trees. We do want to be careful not to [1:44:58, 1:44:59]: Um [1:44:59, 1:45:03]: I have that experience. I think we all have it. We live in modern villages. [1:45:04, 1:45:11]: Um, you know, pi we have some oak trees, we have some trees and it does do a lot of damage to the home, pipes or you name it [1:45:11, 1:45:13]: Coming up towards the house. [1:45:13, 1:45:18]: Um and so if we can make sure that that's under control, that'd be great. [1:45:20, 1:45:20]: Okay. [1:45:20, 1:45:29]: Mr. Thomas, back to you, sir. Well, I just want to make sure about the conditions. This discussion about the trees, are they part of the conditions? [1:45:30, 1:45:31]: Yes. [1:45:31, 1:45:50]: That's already in um condition number fifteen that the owner shall install streets trees along streets to be placed between the sidewalk and the front property line. So that is on the other side. It's not like I said, there's curb, then there's sidewalk, and then there's the property line. It's between the sidewalk and the property line. [1:45:51, 1:45:53]: So yes, that's there. [1:45:53, 1:46:13]: Well, Mayor, if if that is the case, with the approval of the twenty-six conditions, I recommend that we approve the rezoning case, RZ two zero two four-03, to allow for um a rezoning from C2. [1:46:13, 1:46:33]: General commercial to MFR to allow for a uh townhome division, subdivision. And the amendment to number 27, which is phase two, would have six-foot sidewalks, and the staff is gonna go back and review the conditions for the trail network on what. [1:46:33, 1:46:34]: [6395.4, 6408.5]: That's fine. Uh Mr. Thomas, are you agreeable with that certain emotion? To include uh that conversation as well. Second. Okay. Ms. Mr. Alessandra, second that. Ms. Barber, you have a comment? Yes. Flat cameras. [1:46:50, 1:47:04]: Block cameras. Is not is that not included in your condition? I know that we thought we updated it in a in new ULDC. Can I speak without you interrupting me? How about excuse me? [1:47:06, 1:47:13]: Why is it every time I open my mouth you wanna chime in? L excuse me. Okay move forward. [1:47:13, 1:47:20]: Your way of agreeing with what I'm saying. You agreeing with what I'm saying. Again. [1:47:21, 1:47:39]: Yes, we can add that. Yes. We can add that as condition number twenty s twenty eight. Yeah. Mr. Your question uh uh this this development was on the works before we adopted our new uh standards. Okay. So it's not applicable, yes. Okay. Thanks. [1:47:40, 1:47:51]: Back to you, Mr. Thompson. So Mayor Ford, uh amend my motion to include twenty-eight conditions as stated uh in the record. Second. [1:47:51, 1:47:52]: Okay. [1:47:53, 1:48:04]: All right, all favor of the motion, please indicate. Unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. On that note, now we go on to the zoning modification case, ZM dash two zero [1:48:05, 1:48:08]: Two four dash zero one, probably located in district two. [1:48:09, 1:48:29]: Consideration of major zoning modification request for parcel S zero seven A zero one one zero zero zero zero zero on the west side of Brush Creek Court to provide for major changes in previously approved site plan, which is subject to the zoning modification case ZM-2022-01 in [1:48:29, 1:48:49]: In 2022, by allowing for expansion of the site boundaries to include parcel S07-010-060-00 on the east side of Brush Creek Creek Cummings, which will be developed as phase two of the zisting townhome development applicant pivotal and [1:48:48, 1:48:59]: Enterprises LLC, CO Battle Battle Law, PC, the property located in Landlaw fifty nine, district twelve, contains two point two eight total acres. Okay. [1:48:59, 1:49:04]: Mayor Steph recommended approval on that one with the same exact conditions that I just read into the record. [1:49:04, 1:49:05]: Okay, good deal. [1:49:06, 1:49:09]: Uh on that note, thank you, Mr. Ryan. On note Mr Thomas, you have a motion, sir. [1:49:11, 1:49:26]: Um are they in the discussions, Mayor? Well I well I I he said the exact same he has said the cond these conditions for this will be the exact same as the previous one. So I'm assuming that we're you know, since we agreed in the previous other twenty eight, I'm assuming that's all right. That's my assumption. That's why I just went straight to you, sir. [1:49:27, 1:49:32]: Therefore, mayor, I do move that we accept the zoning modification. [1:49:33, 1:49:37]: to include uh as stated for the record. [1:49:37, 1:49:46]: uh to allow a change, a major change to the previous approved site plan. Um [1:49:47, 1:49:56]: That would allow the expansion of this site boundaries to include parcels um SO seven. [1:49:57, 1:50:06]: Second. Okay. Major's made with the second. All favor, please indicate. Genamis decision. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate you. Thank you. [1:50:08, 1:50:11]: Okay. Comprehensive plan amendment K C P [1:50:14, 1:50:32]: Dash uh two zero two four wait a minute, hold on a second, hold on a second. Agenda item ten. Yeah, well we're on number ten, uh but what it amounts to is that uh okay, Mr. Ryan's gonna have to a presentation on this before we go to public hearing. Okay. Comprehensive plan amendment case CP dash two zero two four dash zero seven [1:50:32, 1:50:42]: Property located in District, Council District 2, consideration of comprehensive plan amendment requested to change the future land use designations of four parcels on the south side of Davis Road. [1:50:43, 1:51:03]: As are identified uh below from the current split future land use designation to low density mixed use to the entire property for the entire property for the purpose of allowing the construction of self-storage warehouse development. The property owner is B1 Home Improvements, LLC, and the agents are Robert Nestle. [1:51:03, 1:51:12]: and Rogers Gautier. The property located in Landlot 71 District 12 contains 6.895 total acres. [1:51:13, 1:51:33]: 649 Davis Road parcel S05-08004000. Claims three contains three point three excuse me three point six zero five zero acres, current future land use designation, low density residential, and median density mixed use. The address is six five seven Davis. [1:51:33, 1:51:44]: Road, parcel S05-08003000 contains 0.66 acres, current land, future land use designation unassigned. [1:51:45, 1:52:05]: Address 681 Davis Road, parcel S05-08005000. Contains 1.34 acres. Current future land use designation: low density residential and medium density mixed use. Parcel number is S05-0800-6000 on Davis. [1:52:04, 1:52:14]: Davis Road contains one point two nine acres, current future land use designation, low density residential and medium density mixed use. Miss Addison, please. [1:52:14, 1:52:34]: Okay. Um the owner is the app the owners of the properties, Beatrice Arrow of B1 Home Improvements, the address of the other three properties, the 649 Davis Road, 657 Davis Road, and 681 Davis Road, and Zero Davis Road. Uh total of six point eight nine [1:52:34, 1:52:51]: The subject property is wooded with an existing house located on 681 Davis Road. The current future land use designation is medium density residential and low density mixed use. Current zoning of the property is SR, Suburban Residential and OI. [1:52:51, 1:53:06]: We posted the sign on September I mean on October twenty-second, twenty twenty four, and applicants the surrounding property owners within five hundred feet received zoning notification letters on October twenty-second, twenty twenty-two. Here's a vicinity map. [1:53:08, 1:53:15]: And right here where I got my highlight my uh asterisk is the three is the four properties in question. [1:53:16, 1:53:20]: Mr. Anderson, I'm sorry to interrupt you. Yes sir. I guess I was supposed to read number eleven as well. [1:53:20, 1:53:25]: What's which yes. [1:53:27, 1:53:36]: What what is the statement? Number eleven is in the rezoning case. It deals with the same four sets of property. [1:53:37, 1:53:39]: No, I don't think that's it. [1:53:39, 1:53:45]: We take one at a time? I mean no, we can do all three you can do all of them, yes sir. All right. Excuse me for interrupting, I should have done that already. [1:53:46, 1:54:06]: Okay, rezoning case RZ 2024-08. Property located in Council District 2. Consideration rezoning request to rezone the four parcels of the south side of Davis Road identified below SR suburban residential to OI office institutional to C three heavy commercial for the purpose of allowing for the construction. [1:54:06, 1:54:26]: And self-storage warehouse development. The property owner B1 Home Improvement LLC. The agents are Robert Nesbitt and Rogers Gutierrez. The property located in Landlock 71, District 12, and it contains 6.895 total acres. Address 649-Davis Road, parcel S05-0800. [1:54:26, 1:54:46]: four zero zero zero contains three point three excuse me contains three point six zero five zero acres current zoning SR suburban residential. Address six five seven Davis Row parcels S05-08003000 contains point six six acres current zone [1:54:46, 1:55:06]: Zony SR Suburban Residential. Address 681 Davis Road, parcel number S05-08005000 contains 1.34 acres, current zoning SR suburban residential. Parcel S05-0800-6000 on Davis Road contains 1.29 acres. [1:55:06, 1:55:12]: area acres curtains zoning zero one uh one office institutional now mr [1:55:13, 1:55:33]: No problem there. Thank you. Um where where I where you see my cursor is uh the four parcels that are in being proposed for the self-storage facility. And as I move my cursor over to the left, to the wooded area, that's uh proposed um [1:55:33, 1:55:42]: self-storage facility that's underway that will be going to LDP early next year. And it was the subject of uh discussion at last council meeting. [1:55:45, 1:55:47]: Here's a area photo with the site plan. [1:55:52, 1:55:56]: Here's a survey of of the four parcels in question. [1:55:59, 1:56:05]: Here's confirmation of our zoning sign being posted on October twenty second. [1:56:07, 1:56:27]: Uh zoning history of the property. 657 Davis Road was annexed into the city on June 10, 2002, upon the request of El Vido Ainsworth and was assigned to R3 City Zoning. 649 Davis Road was an was annexed into the city on November 10, 2003, upon the request of El Vito Ainsworth. [1:56:27, 1:56:30]: and assign the R three cities. [1:56:30, 1:56:50]: Zoning District. 681 Davies Road was annexed into the city of Stockbridge out on November 10, 2003, upon the qu request of El Vital Ainsworth and assigned the R three zoning district. The subject property with parcel number SO5-08006000 was rezoned from [1:56:50, 1:57:04]: From R three Residential Two O I Office Institution upon the request of Thomas Stern. The intent was to use the construction of the building, the construction of the property for an American Legion headquarters building. [1:57:06, 1:57:18]: um development some background and development agreement. B1 home improvement plans to develop a self-storage facility comprising of eight buildings and 274 rental units. [1:57:18, 1:57:29]: Spanning six point eight nine five acres across four parcels on the south side of Davis Road. I also I'd like to mention that this property is not located with the within the Parkway mixed-use overlay district. [1:57:30, 1:57:50]: According to Chapter 12 of the Stockbridge UDC, self-storage facilities are defined as fully enclosed facilities with independent bays or self-contained units for the exclusive storage of goods or personal property. A description of the site plan, building one will cover 4,800 square feet with 24 units. [1:57:50, 1:58:10]: While building two will be larger at 8,400 square feet with 42 units. Building three will have 5,400 square feet with 27 units. And building 4 will be the most spacious, featuring 11,250 square feet with 50 units. Building 5 will include 4,350 square feet with [1:58:10, 1:58:30]: and 29 units and building six will mirror building three with 5,400 square feet and 27 units. Building seven will be one of the largest structures. It would encompass over 10,800 square 10,800 square feet and 48 units. And building eight will again match building three and six. [1:58:30, 1:58:50]: Offering 5,400 square feet and 27 units. The project will feature a dedicated turning lane, a storm water pond, landscaping, post-construction. 18 wheelers will also be prohibited on the property, so no 18 wheels can deliver there. Security measures will include a 24-hour video surveillance. [1:58:50, 1:58:59]: Individual unit alarms, access systems, and perimeter security cameras. Here's another site plan. [1:59:04, 1:59:08]: And this is a rendering of the of the proposed development. [1:59:14, 1:59:17]: And as you can see, the m the building materials were comprised of a brick. [1:59:20, 1:59:24]: On the north elevation, south elevation would be brick also. [1:59:28, 1:59:38]: Uh proposed self-storage warehouse development information. I've already went over this. Um of the eight buildings I listed the um I described the the square footage of each. [1:59:40, 1:59:55]: Here's a map of the existing and proposed storage facilities in the city of Stockbridge. Right now we have eight existing and proposed facilities. The star is the um, it's the proposed, is the [1:59:56, 2:00:06]: It's the s subject property that's in question tonight. And over to the left you have the one that's that was discussed at last city council meeting. [2:00:09, 2:00:10]: That shows the relationship between the two. [2:00:12, 2:00:24]: Ca question for you though. Yes, sir. Uh I sh probably should know this, but does the do we have a distance requirements uh for this? No, sir. We don't we don't have a distance requirement for self storage facilities. No. All right. [2:00:24, 2:00:28]: They're restricted in the PMU though, the Parkway Misuse Overlay District. Okay. [2:00:30, 2:00:33]: So we have a self-storage facility at um [2:00:34, 2:00:36]: being proposed that well the one in question tonight [2:00:44, 2:00:45]: We got one on North Henry. [2:00:47, 2:01:07]: 44 North Henry, 53, 34 North Henry. We got the extra space storage at 59 Banks Road. Excuse me. We have the secure self-storage at 59, at 599 Georgia Highway 138. We got the extra space storage at 1461 Hudson Bridge Road. [2:01:07, 2:01:27]: We got storage extra and 490 Eagles Landing Parkway. And we have the Davis Road storage facility at 12 Old Atlanta Road. And we have Jewel Sanitary Pad Warehouse at 1090 Village Business Parkway. As you can see, we don't have many self-storage facilities for. [2:01:27, 2:01:28]: [7296.4, 7305.0]: So as it relates to the uh the comprehensive plan amendment, staff recommends uh approval of the comprehensive plan change. [2:01:49, 2:01:50]: Mm. [2:01:53, 2:01:55]: Now I'm about to go into the rezoning portion. [2:01:58, 2:02:02]: Yeah, yeah, of course. [2:02:02, 2:02:08]: I do have a question before you move on, sir. Yes sir. Yes, sir. Mayor. Go right here, sir, please. [2:02:10, 2:02:18]: Um I n uh I know this agenda item is a request for a um [2:02:20, 2:02:28]: Land use chain designation. What what is it? What is the land use plan presently? [2:02:29, 2:02:30]: So let me go back. [2:02:36, 2:02:47]: Uh this agenda item is is calling for a land use change or what it what is it presently uh the the application is a land use plan presently. [2:02:48, 2:03:05]: Yes, sir. The applicant is requesting um a change because he has a split land use designation for the four properties. All of them don't have the same land use designation. So he's requesting to go from low density mixed use for the purpose of allowing for the construction of a self-storage. [2:03:11, 2:03:31]: Currently, the uh 649, 657, and 681 Davis Road has the future land use designation of medium density residential, which is not thank you, which is not compatible with the requested C3 zoning district. Therefore, the applicant is requesting a change to the future land use designation from the current split future land use. [2:03:31, 2:03:34]: Use to low density mixed use. [2:03:36, 2:03:45]: So the current um land use does not allow for him to construct a self-storage facility in C three because it's incompatible. [2:03:49, 2:04:00]: What what I was trying to visualize in in my understanding when y I guess a few years ago, when we [2:04:02, 2:04:07]: put the work in to designate the use of [2:04:09, 2:04:16]: Postles, you know, throughout the city. And uh you know you and I have had a conversation about [2:04:17, 2:04:37]: You know, we're we're constantly changing, constantly changing. And I know at some point in time you mentioned that we would look at our um plan to conform with the future where where we're we're trying to go. So I was trying to get a better understanding. [2:04:37, 2:04:52]: standing in in this particular area where the Walmart is, I would tr just really just trying to visualize the future of where this city and where this council really wanted to go. [2:04:52, 2:05:00]: And I know once you create uh a development like this and then it is [2:05:01, 2:05:18]: you know, you sort of create a designation and you can't really get away from that. So and I and I spoke with the with the gentleman and um and I expressed to them that I had some concern but but I wanted to hear the total presentation today though. [2:05:19, 2:05:39]: So with that being said, Mayor, I I yield back. So right now uh the the property zone medium density residential, which allows for residential uses. It does not allow for any type of commercial uses. Uh I think this designation has been um upon the property since it was annexed into the to the city back. [2:05:39, 2:05:44]: back in uh early two thousands. So it has not been changed, however uh [2:05:44, 2:06:01]: the development patterns of the area i area is starting to become more commercial on that part of Davis Road and uh down by Walmart. So it's starting to change. So it wouldn't be out of the question to seek a change in the land use to low density mix use. [2:06:02, 2:06:15]: Well I I will say that when you and I met and discussed this, uh you somewhat spoke favorable of the trend of what the city [2:06:16, 2:06:36]: what direction the city may want to go in in this particular area. And and I understood that and and I was open to that. And and I and I guess as we discuss this, other council members, and they come forward, uh it it it may become a little clearer. Yes, sir. Thank you, Mayor. [2:06:36, 2:06:36]: Yeah. [2:06:39, 2:06:40]: Oh of course. [2:06:40, 2:06:45]: Okay, go ahead, please. So what does the future land use map show for this d this property? [2:06:50, 2:06:55]: Um we just did a lot of work, right? Yes. As Councilman Thomas indicated. [2:06:58, 2:07:00]: Future Land Youth shows. [2:07:01, 2:07:13]: Low density residential for one parcel and it shows um medium density residential for another for for two other parcels and then the fourth it shows low density mixed use. [2:07:14, 2:07:16]: So it has split the four parcels. [2:07:17, 2:07:27]: has split land use designations. So he's trying to get'em up to be com the intent will be to combine uh the four parcels into one and to have one designated land use. [2:07:28, 2:07:48]: Yeah, I and I certainly understand the trends in the area and certainly uh you know, we just reviewed another um self-storage, basically a block away, and then there's one already existing that's a block away that uh along North Henry Boulevard in the same general area. [2:07:48, 2:08:08]: And I think we had expressed a desire on this council that we want something better than that. Yet we keep getting the same requests that come before us for the same or similar development that we were expecting in the area, but we continue to get the same type of request. And these uh developments [2:08:08, 2:08:27]: uh seem to continue to come before us where we're um looking at different s distinctions and I think the council did show some reservation and said that we wanted to staff to look at a distance requirement because of uh the number of these were that were coming forward. And you would be working on that, is that correct? [2:08:27, 2:08:42]: Yes, sir. We'll we're looking at that. That's on our on our list of things to do. So we will be looking at that. Uh coming up real soon. Um we haven't reached we haven't been able to do it yet, but it's on the list of items we have to do. So [2:08:42, 2:09:00]: Right, but currently this shows for medium density residential and low density residential, and this is asking for a commercial trend along Davis Parkway. Davidson Parkway right now. What else commercial is along Davidson Parkway right now? Um [2:09:02, 2:09:07]: I don't believe there's anything over there alone on Davis but uh in the vicinity. [2:09:08, 2:09:28]: Correct. So this would certainly be a tremendous change because right now there's nothing along Davidson Parkway and we just approved the development for a builder to build a number of homes uh in that area to um for approval. So um you know that the th this would [2:09:28, 2:09:48]: would be a major change because those residents have been over there and they've had drivetime automotive, which is right behind their neighborhood, driving right through the middle of their neighborhood. And I honestly I just don't see what uh a lot of value being brought in for this particular um proposal, but certainly I'll listen. [2:09:47, 2:09:48]: Thank you. [2:09:49, 2:10:02]: Council, any specific questions for Mr. Yeah, go ahead, Fitz. I I wanna make a distinction for for Councilman. Uh this is not Davison Parkway. Right. This is Davis Road. [2:10:03, 2:10:06]: So w this is a totally different area. [2:10:09, 2:10:29]: What what what what is a l what commercial right there is in that general area for so so when I get Walmart? I'm saying in terms of when I get it into the um into the um rezoning portion, I'll pull up the zoning map so you can see the uh the zoning uses over there. So I'll do that. [2:10:29, 2:10:36]: the other one that's already been considered. Okay, I mentioned it previously. Let me go back to it. Um [2:10:36, 2:10:38]: Mm mm, it's a different one. [2:10:38, 2:10:47]: You see this you see my uh cursor? Right. Got it. Okay. That's that's that's this proposed facility right here. And right here to the left. [2:10:49, 2:10:53]: That's the one that's currently on the in the development phase. [2:10:54, 2:10:59]: That's about uh legend. I uh it's probably [2:11:00, 2:11:04]: I can't I s it's it's a little more than a block. [2:11:07, 2:11:10]: No s no ma'am, this is a different group. [2:11:11, 2:11:28]: It's a different group. The other one was they had the right to uh build us a self storage facility. They had the zoning in place already. Uh this one right here that's under question that's in that we're presenting tonight, they need the zoning to build what they're proposing. [2:11:30, 2:11:36]: Yes, sir, go ahead, please. And and and as I express to to the gentleman, [2:11:36, 2:11:39]: See, my major concern with [2:11:40, 2:11:43]: Um future planning. [2:11:44, 2:11:47]: Future land use planning. [2:11:48, 2:11:52]: I want us to be conscious of [2:11:53, 2:11:54]: The future. [2:11:55, 2:11:58]: When you look at a particular area [2:11:59, 2:12:01]: What do we want to see? [2:12:02, 2:12:11]: In this area in the future. We know we have the Walmart here, and you have some other commercial. You do have some residential. [2:12:12, 2:12:14]: Uh structure somewhat in the back. [2:12:15, 2:12:23]: Uh, and I've been trying to work with some of those property owners in the past. But I I just want the gentleman to understand, too, that [2:12:24, 2:12:31]: We as elected officials and we have a planning department and things that we have to approve. [2:12:32, 2:12:47]: And I want us to take in consideration when we look at future land use, you know, what where we're trying to go, what is the future of this particular area? And and and you know, sometimes we get it right, sometimes we don't. [2:12:48, 2:13:01]: But this is why I'm sort of speaking to this point because I want us to really understand that, you know, we are at this point now where we have a decision to make for this total area because [2:13:02, 2:13:05]: Once you build whatever you build [2:13:06, 2:13:10]: That's somewhat dictates what's to follow. [2:13:11, 2:13:21]: And and you know, and if this council wanna go that way, I I I mean I'm not gonna object to it but I just want us to be conscious of [2:13:22, 2:13:23]: Future. [2:13:24, 2:13:44]: And where we're trying to go in this particular area. So what usually precipitate the um the construction of or the proposed location of these um self-storage facilities is due to the high number of construction, high number of units we have approved in the city and plus they're not building homes as large as they used to used to. [2:13:44, 2:14:04]: And uh this is uh a low intensity use, low intensity land use which has very low traffic. And it's in w we have construction slated off Davis Road and Valley Hill Road, and we have a lot of units being built off uh Reeves Creek near David and Davidson Parkway. Mm-hmm. Due to the sheer number of [2:14:04, 2:14:13]: Units we we have proposed, these types of uh developments usually pop up because of the number of units we're developing in the city of Stockbridge. [2:14:13, 2:14:14]: Okay. [2:14:15, 2:14:24]: Well maybe I I just like just hear from some of the other council members, but Okay. I I'm I'm okay with you know the decision of the council. Okay. Okay. [2:14:24, 2:14:26]: Thus far. Any other questions right now from Ms. Annson? [2:14:27, 2:14:38]: I don't have a question, it's more of a statement. So the other um public storage facility that we discussed at the last meeting, that was in my district. Yes. Um [2:14:40, 2:14:57]: This area, um, I know it's split between myself and Councilman Thomas. Um what the residents desire in the area is not another public storage facility. They want other options. Commercial. Commercial land use designation is what I prefer. [2:14:58, 2:15:03]: for this area um not including another storage. [2:15:04, 2:15:07]: It just so [2:15:08, 2:15:17]: Um urban planning is not my thing. I don't know much about it. But I would just think that we would be looking in terms of making sure that we have diverse um [2:15:18, 2:15:25]: business options and that they're not all um restricted to certain districts or certain areas. [2:15:25, 2:15:32]: We know that um a public storage facility is already coming right there on the corner of Davis Road. [2:15:34, 2:15:40]: А час канат супов анатопуль сторжі і сам vicinity a block away. [2:15:41, 2:15:43]: I think we need to [2:15:44, 2:15:46]: Um make sure that we [2:15:46, 2:15:52]: change our uh what is it the restrictions, making sure that [2:15:52, 2:16:12]: We don't have certain businesses all within the same mile radius and public for s public storage facilities need to be added to that list. Okay. Um I get it. I get it. We've got new residential developments that's popping up all over the city, but it just seems [2:16:12, 2:16:13]: Seems like [2:16:13, 2:16:19]: A lot of these residential developments are coming to my district. [2:16:20, 2:16:24]: I don't want to have a district of four or five storage facilities. [2:16:25, 2:16:25]: Um [2:16:26, 2:16:31]: And I get it. I know that with these public storage facilities they're [2:16:31, 2:16:33]: Low um [2:16:34, 2:16:43]: Low usage, not a whole lot of traffic. Um, they're pretty safe. Um, I get it. Um right now there's nothing there. [2:16:43, 2:16:44]: Um [2:16:45, 2:16:49]: Акети, базиденцово преfer то си а ресторан. [2:16:50, 2:16:52]: They prefer to see another [2:16:52, 2:16:53]: You know [2:16:53, 2:16:54]: Shopping. [2:16:54, 2:16:56]: A retail store. [2:16:56, 2:16:57]: That's what they would prefer to see. [2:16:58, 2:17:01]: Um it is close to Walmart. [2:17:01, 2:17:03]: So there are other [2:17:03, 2:17:23]: options um that we could seek. But another storage facility in the same vicinity that was well that is already being approved, I can't support it. Not at this time. Thank you. Okay. On that note, Ms. Anson, you have uh rezoning cases still go through that that particular piece too as well. [2:17:23, 2:17:41]: Yes, yes sir. The rezoning will come after the after I announced what staff recommended for this. Well staff well staff recommended approval for uh the the land use change from medium density residential to low density mixed use. [2:17:42, 2:17:47]: For the construction of this facility. All right. So staff recommended approval. All right. [2:17:47, 2:17:50]: So I I'll move on to the uh reason only. Okay. [2:18:13, 2:18:33]: In our analysis, after we researched and objectively evaluated the criteria, we found that the proposed self-storage facility meets the purpose and intent and intent of the Stockbridge Unified Development Code. The proposed self-storage facility meets section meets the requirement of section A. [2:18:33, 2:18:53]: of section one point four because it can promote the safety and general welfare by providing a s secure place for nearby and incoming residents and nearby businesses across from the Davis Pimit Pavilion Shopping Center to store their belongings. The development meets both Section B and Section C since it prohibits eighteen woolers from accessing the site once the construction is completed. [2:18:53, 2:19:05]: Complete. The prohibition of 18 wheels decreases the traffic impact on Davis Road. In addition, the development can meet Section H since the site will be clean and well managed. So as we went through our uh [2:19:07, 2:19:11]: criteria and objectively evaluated um [2:19:13, 2:19:21]: The list of requirements, the um we found that this applicant's request was pretty consist consistent with our code and future land use plan. [2:19:24, 2:19:31]: Let me get to the mail. So as a result, staff did recommend approval with eight conditions. [2:19:33, 2:19:53]: Condition number one, the site plan shall be developed similar to the site plan that was submitted by the applicant on August 8, 2024. The developer shall provide a 40-foot buffer along the eastern side of the property adjacent to Stockbridge Estate's mobile home, a 15-foot buffer along the western side, adjacent to Davis Pavilion Shopping Center, and a 15-foot [2:19:53, 2:20:13]: Foot buffer along the southern side, adjacent to Walmart Shopping Center, in accordance with section 3.2.34F of the Stockbridge Unified Development Code. Condition three relates to the architectural standards. Each building must have at least 50% of its exterior on all four facades constructed with. [2:20:13, 2:20:21]: With brick, stone, or a combination of these materials. The number of rental units shall be limited to a maximum of 247. [2:20:22, 2:20:42]: Condition number five, flock cameras shall be installed at the entrance of the facility. Condition number six, street lights shall be installed around the perimeter of the property. Condition seven, ingress and egress, ingress and egress must be up must be provided for the fire by the fire marshal for all buildings. The self-stored [2:20:42, 2:20:49]: Facility must be enclosed with a gate. So those are the eight conditions of approval that staff recommended for this project. [2:20:51, 2:21:11]: Okay, thanks. Okay. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. Uh m Mr Standard, would would you re-emphasize um the ingress and egress location? And would you put up the graphic that shows the uh 247 units? Okay, I'll go back to that, sir. But uh [2:21:29, 2:21:30]: Okay. [2:21:31, 2:21:36]: That shows the that's a rendering of it. But I might have a better side plan. [2:21:36, 2:21:37]: Uh [2:21:38, 2:21:48]: Go back one. That one. I think it's two hundred and forty seven. That's a total of two hundred and forty seven. Yes, sir. So we limit it to no more than two hundred and forty seven units. [2:21:48, 2:21:56]: And and the uh ingress and egress is is it uh Davis Road or is it that side street, so and I don't know the name of the street. [2:22:04, 2:22:05]: Do you know the name of that district? [2:22:06, 2:22:08]: Yeah, you got uh [2:22:11, 2:22:12]: Okay, that's another one. [2:22:13, 2:22:21]: You see right here it goes onto Davis Road? Okay, okay. You see Council Member Thomas? I'm sorry. You see where my curse is? Yes. Onto Davis Road. [2:22:22, 2:22:22]: Okay. [2:22:30, 2:22:43]: And and and the green dots are those are that's landscaping. Okay. Yes. And the gray part are are the are the units. That's the concrete and the those are the uh the units. Okay. [2:22:44, 2:22:51]: That's the payment rather. Okay. Well may I I yield to see if other council members have any discussion. [2:22:52, 2:22:55]: Any questions right now from Mr. Anderson about the rezoning aspect? [2:22:56, 2:23:00]: If not, how about the the applicant? Uh could you come to the podium please? [2:23:06, 2:23:13]: Please introduce yourself and and name and address. Yes. Bob Nesbitt, twelve thirty five Lionsgate Drive, Carnage, Georgia. [2:23:14, 2:23:18]: Rogers Gautier, twelve thirty six Avenue on Drive, Connus, Georgia. All right. [2:23:18, 2:23:32]: All right, gentlemen, you've been listening to the presentation and uh our comments. What what do you have a a presentation of your own or comments do you want to answer? Yes, we do have a presentation. I believe I sent over the PowerPoint. Is that available? [2:23:49, 2:23:50]: What is one now? [2:23:59, 2:24:00]: Can't close this out. [2:24:24, 2:24:35]: I'm I'm ready. Go right ahead, sir. All right. Good evening. Uh first I'd like to say thank you to the mayor, to members of the city council, as well as to the staff, and thank you for the opportunity to present our proposal. [2:24:36, 2:24:55]: May it please this this commission, uh uh this city council that we would like to say on behalf of B One Home Improvement that we are here to tell you exactly what we intend to do and how we feel that this can benefit the community, the people that live in close proximity, as well as the city of Stockbridge as a whole. [2:24:55, 2:24:56]: Okay. [2:24:58, 2:25:05]: Uh first this is and I think you've seen it earlier, this is exactly how uh it sits on the land. This is a survey of the land. [2:25:06, 2:25:23]: This shows the construction. It's going to be brick on all sides except for the front where there's gonna actually be the door where people can enter and exit from the storage facility. But it's gonna be brick on all sides as well as brick on the front except for where the doors are located and that's what this elevation shows. [2:25:25, 2:25:45]: Here where you see uh the yellow that's going around, that's the actual land itself. Directly behind it you see is Walmart. And behind there is the area where the Walmart will have their trucks that will come in and deliver their goods and products to provide for that particular store. If we look over here [2:25:45, 2:26:05]: Here on this side here, this is a a mall area or a strip mall or a service area where people go in and purchase from retail businesses right there on that side of it. In the front is going to be Davis Road, and to the side, uh to the back are some homes that are back in that area. [2:26:05, 2:26:11]: And then there are or there is a facility that is doing business uh right next to it. [2:26:14, 2:26:22]: This is a picture of that area where the uh where the mall is, where people had can go in and purchase retail goods and services. [2:26:23, 2:26:27]: And that is just another picture of that particular location. [2:26:28, 2:26:48]: This is a facility that is directly to the right. They sell wood. They actually burn wood on the site, chop wood right there, right next to where our property is. That if we go back up uh and we look here, uh right here on this side here on the front that fronts on Davis Road is this particular [2:26:48, 2:26:50]: [8812.8, 8820.9]: Is not something that we think is favorable. There's another picture of of what it looks like that's right there on Davis Road. Uh you can even see the smoke that's going up. [2:27:03, 2:27:23]: We intend to improve, enhance, and hopefully make this a better community. What we find is that right now there are a number of homes that are being built in close proximity. Those people need a place to store their goods. The businesses that are there near Walmart, and also those retail businesses, as well as small businesses. [2:27:23, 2:27:43]: Business owners also need a place to store their goods. This will help in meeting that need and fulfilling that. This here is a picture of what it will look like. This is our rendition of what the landscaping will look like. It will be beautiful, it will be aesthetic, and it will be something that when you drive by from the road, that it will look not. [2:27:43, 2:27:50]: Nice. It will be something that you would see in any other major city throughout the uh Georgia area. [2:27:52, 2:28:08]: This is the type of fencing that we'll have. It'll be wrought wrought iron or wrought iron looking fencing that will be very uh aesthetically pleasing and it will be at least eight feet high and it will be something that will when someone drives by, it will be something that is very nice. [2:28:10, 2:28:12]: This is what the front of the storage units will look like. [2:28:19, 2:28:26]: This is also what it will look like where someone can easily drive up. They can load and unload their goods as they go in and out of the facility. [2:28:28, 2:28:35]: This here is just a picture just showing someone that how they would actually put something on the dolly, go in and out of the storage unit. [2:28:36, 2:28:56]: Now let's talk about some of the things, some of the concerns that this city council may have. What are the benefits of a storage facility? First of all, it is convenient for the residents, it increases property values. Why are we saying that? If people do not have a place to store goods, if they have items that now are [2:28:56, 2:29:16]: Exceeding and going into the yard, then it creates clutter, it creates a look that is not beneficial to the community, and as a result, property values go up. In areas where you have storage units that can be used, you tend to find that people will not have clutter in their homes. It will make the areas look nice and it enhances the value of your community. [2:29:16, 2:29:21]: It enhances the values of those homes and it makes for a nice place for people to live. [2:29:23, 2:29:43]: Uh it reduces clutter. Clutter is very important, and that's one of the main purposes of the storage unit. It's low impact on traffic. So now when we start to talk about what's going in and out of that facility, you're not going to see a whole lot of traffic. It's not going to put a burden on our roadways. It's not going to cause for us to have to build new roads. [2:29:43, 2:30:03]: It's going to be something that will be available for people to go in and out at reasonable times and reasonable hours, but it is low impact on traffic. This will be a state-of-the-art facility. It will be something that is virtual. People can go in and out. There'll be cameras all day long. It will be monitored by cameras. [2:30:03, 2:30:23]: And when people uh register to get it, they will do it online. There's no office, no personnel that is there, and we will have all of the equipment that is necessary in order to support having a state-of-the-art storage facility. This differentiates from the other storage facilities in the area. So I think the one that we were talking about there's going to be [2:30:22, 2:30:27]: be proposed. This is a two-story facility that also has a basement. [2:30:28, 2:30:48]: We have no basements, we have no two stories. It's not something that when someone drives by, they're gonna see some high-rise facility. What they're gonna see is the rendition that we have where it's gonna be trees and shrubs, and it will be aesthetically pleasing, and it's something that will enhance the look in that neighborhood in that area as opposed to what you have on one side. [2:30:48, 2:31:06]: A gentleman that has a a lumber yard where he's chopping wood, burning wood, and on the other side, we have retail businesses directly behind, you have Walmart. So this is something that will fit into the area, it will enhance the area, and it will also provide a service for those people that live there. [2:31:08, 2:31:28]: It is environmentally friendly. It is not something that is going to create uh any type of smoke in the air. It's not going to do anything that's going to affect the water. It's not going to do anything that's going to affect the ground, the soil. It is something where people will go in and out and they will use that facility in order to benefit them so that they can have a better quality of life. [2:31:27, 2:31:28]: [9089.5, 9109.5]: It also is a support for small businesses. We have talked with numerous small businesses, and one of the major problems they have is that when they are out and they have inventory that comes in and now they don't have enough room, what do they do? They go to a storage facility. When you have uh small uh construction companies that are doing business, they need to have [2:31:49, 2:32:05]: have their equipment somewhere instead of leaving it outside where it is an eyesore to our community and it's also open to theft, they can bring it into the storage unit and this is where they can keep their equipment and it provides a service to them and it also helps to provide beautification to our areas in our community. [2:32:07, 2:32:27]: When we look at this, this is adaptive to the land use. This is the highest and the best use for this particular property. If we really look at it, no one is going to want to build a home or have a residence where you have Walmart directly behind you with trucks going in and out on one side, and you have a retail facility that's selling uh goods to customers and and cars and traffic. [2:32:27, 2:32:29]: going out all day long right next door. [2:32:30, 2:32:50]: This is something that can fit in and it will not be a disturbance to the other businesses that are there. It won't be a disturbance to the homeowners that live in that community because it will be a service that will prov be provided. And the way that we have it set up with the trees and the shrubs and the fencing, it will be aesthetically pleasing. It will not be an eyesore. It will upgrade. [2:32:50, 2:32:51]: The neighborhood. [2:32:51, 2:33:11]: Mr. Nesm, before we go on the next slide, I just uh something just came up and I just want to reach back and catch this. This would be one story, several different buildings, eight different buildings, if I understand, right? That's correct. One story, only one story, three quarters really brick. Uh because the front side you got the the you got the door that goes up, so you can't brick you can't brick that thing. Just the post that are brick. [2:33:11, 2:33:25]: that support the building but other than that the door. Okay. That's correct. Now if I if I I might have heard this and I just need to get clarification. Did you say that there would not be anybody in any support staff on site? That is correct. Okay. So I rent it [2:33:25, 2:33:45]: So if I what if I have a problem, troubleshooting, anything like that, how do how do I get assistance or how do I even sign up? We have a customer service number where you can call in. We also have someone that electronically can open and close the gate and also can monitor a facility. So the the the only issue that we have is that if someone comes in and let's just say uh they have a flat tire, well they [2:33:45, 2:34:03]: They call someone to come fix it. They have a cell phone, they can access any help that they would need. So there's no no real issue in terms of someone physically being there because generally speaking, uh the only reason that person is there is to collect money or to sign someone up. All of that is done online. [2:34:03, 2:34:19]: And and I might add that in terms of emergencies, twenty four hours emergencies, it's tied into the video integration system, the VIC system, the security is. So anything that's necessary, we would definitely be tied in into the um emergency management system of Stockbridge or Henry County. [2:34:20, 2:34:39]: All right. So be it. Thank you. Okay. Yes, sir. Go ahead, please. While we're on that subject, and you mentioned a couple of things. Um and and what shot to my mind was theft prevention. Um other units [2:34:40, 2:34:41]: Climate controlled. [2:34:42, 2:34:44]: No, sir, the units are not climate controlled. [2:34:45, 2:34:51]: 'Cause see w one thing I've learned, cause I have used storage facilities in the past that [2:34:52, 2:34:56]: mold and mildew will create [2:34:56, 2:34:59]: If you know the change in other heat. [2:35:00, 2:35:17]: the coldness, the Marsha, et cetera, et cetera. So I would be a little concerned about that. Um and be honest with you, I'm I'm not familiar with the wood burning company. I would think that the smoke would probably penetrate [2:35:17, 2:35:18]: The units [2:35:19, 2:35:39]: And smell up your goods. And I'm I'm not gonna ask Mr. Anderson now, but that is a question I wanna ask asked about this this wood burning company because I wasn't familiar with that, but I'm glad you brought that up. Yes, sir. Well, I just drove out there today. As a matter of fact, those pictures were taken today. Yeah. [2:35:39, 2:35:40]: Uh and the [2:35:40, 2:36:00]: That smoke goes up into the air. It's not something that that blows across into uh where our facility would be located. I'm I'm sure it could if there was a wind or something of that nature. But the way it is, it goes straight up and it creates a plume in the air. Uh and that's that's why we're looking to do something that we feel is conducive to that area that will be a [2:36:00, 2:36:20]: Upgrade that will be an improvement. And if you look at our our drawings when we did the rendition, it's something that's gonna be nice. It's gonna it's gonna almost look like there's an office complex there as opposed to what the traditional storage unit is like. Like we say, this is the state of the art uh facility that was set so that one, it's it's [2:36:20, 2:36:40]: Now, what we do now in 2024. Everybody does everything online. You go on the phone, you tap it in, you make contact, you sign everything online, you register, they give you your code, you drive up, you have to have your particular code, and you also have to scan. It allows you to go in. We have the state of the art. [2:36:40, 2:36:45]: Security system so that it's tied in to Henry County andor. [2:36:45, 2:37:05]: uh the city of Stockbridge, so that any issues that may occur, those can be addressed immediately. And and I think one of the biggest things that that we look at from a from a city standpoint, and and this is just an opinion on my part, is that we look at things that one, that don't create a burden on the city, and that two also bring in additional tax revenues. [2:37:05, 2:37:25]: If we look at a storage facility, it it's it's different than residential, because with residential, now you have occupants, which means that you're gonna have to have police protection. You're gonna have more uh incidents of fire, so you need fire protection. It's gonna be a drain on the water system, it's gonna be a drain on the emergency system, and you only get property taxes. With this particular piece of property, [2:37:25, 2:37:45]: You will get property taxes, but it will also generate tax dollars from sales of the units. And very if you have very little need for police, you have very little need for uh fire, uh, very little need for water, very little need for emergency, and also it it it it has no additional students to the school system. So this is something that [2:37:44, 2:37:54]: benefits and I think it's a win-win for our community. Uh we also look at it from the viewpoint that there is ninety-two percent occupancy of the storage units in the city of Stockbridge. [2:37:55, 2:38:15]: The only reason that it's not 100% is because when someone moves out, then it takes a period of time for them to find the next person to rent that facility. So there is a need, there is a demand, and that's why you see uh units trying to come in because there's a need for supply. Supply meets demand, demand requires supply. So uh we're we're trying to do that. [2:38:15, 2:38:35]: We're trying to meet that need, we're trying to meet the demand, but we're also trying to do it at a level that will enhance and improve and and make Stockbridge look better when compared to what's in that area. And that's why I took some pictures today. I d actually drove out there today to take pictures so you can see what is there and what it what it could be. [2:38:35, 2:38:55]: And that's the purpose of what we're trying to do. There's uh uh in the next uh slide here we have amenities and features of the storage facility. It's advanced security measures, which we've talked about, user online booking system, flexible renting terms, competitive pricing. We are pricing ourselves so that we will be [2:38:55, 2:39:12]: beat any competitors in the area where we bring in lower prices, better services. And how do we do that? We do that because with the technology that we're using, we're not incurring the same cost that they are incurring to run their business. Because everything is done online, everything is digital, everything is state of the art. [2:39:13, 2:39:32]: It's a dedicated customer service and we're catering to the needs of the local community. And one of the slides that will be forthcoming will talk about what we've done in order to be able to make the statement that this is something that's catering to the needs of the community. It's aesthetically designed for enhanced beautification. [2:39:34, 2:39:54]: When we look at that, what what are some of the specific benefits? It's declutter of homes. Storage units provide extra space for households for us to store their belongings. Seasonal storage. Families can store items for holidays, for decorations, for recreational equipment, for off season clothing. [2:39:54, 2:40:14]: And for keeping their homes and their houses organized. I bet if you polled everybody in this room, as well as probably some of you on the council, we've all used a storage unit at some point in time. We've all had a need for a storage unit at some point in time. And even if there are disasters, then people need storage units. In Conyers, we had the [2:40:14, 2:40:34]: The issue where we just had a chemical plant that had a a big chemical burn. A lot of people had to be evacuated. What is the first thing that happened? All of the storage units were filled to capacity, and they even had to go outside of the local area in order to have a place to put their needs and their goods. So these things, even though it may not be the [2:40:34, 2:40:36]: The thing that we always think about that [2:40:37, 2:40:57]: We should have in our community, it's really a need that that should be uh uh addressed and needs to happen. And when you start to have facilities where there aren't enough storage units, you'll start to see the clutter build up in your neighborhoods, you'll start to see uh trash and other things that come along with it, stray animals and pets going after those things. [2:40:57, 2:41:01]: things uh storage units are really something that is needed. [2:41:04, 2:41:24]: Somewhat what are some of the key factors? There's been no opposition from the local community. We've been to a few hearings here, we've talked to people in the community. There basically is very little to no opposition when you begin to explain to them what we're trying to do and they see the type of storage facility that we're going to put forth in your community. [2:41:25, 2:41:32]: It has passed by the uh planning commission. It's also recommended uh here by by your staff. [2:41:33, 2:41:47]: Uh we did a market survey. We hired a firm that did a market survey and they pulled people in the area where these homes are located where the homes are located in close proximity, and 88% of the residents were in favor of a storage unit. [2:41:49, 2:41:52]: As a matter of fact, many of them used storage units. [2:41:53, 2:42:13]: There is a 92% occupancy rate for storage facilities in the city of Stockbridge. This is the highest and best use for that land. If you look at it, what can we really put there that's going to be able to benefit the community and also not be a burden on this on uh the city of Stockbridge at the same time? It will bring in additional tax revenues. [2:42:13, 2:42:22]: Such as sales taxes and property taxes. It reduces the burden on the city from the viewpoint of police, fire, water, schools. [2:42:23, 2:42:43]: as as well as emergency needs. It's low impact on traffic. And we have limited our hours of operation from people coming in and out from 7 a.m. to 7 PM, primarily through most of the daylight hours. So there's not going to be any late night traffic. There's not going to be any incidents of things that are occurred. As as was said, there's going to [2:42:42, 2:42:59]: be need for a flock. There are also going to be security cameras. So this is something that's going to be safe and secure. And it's very little crime that you find that occurs at storage facilities. So with that, we're willing to answer any questions that you may have. [2:43:01, 2:43:03]: Any questions, Council? Any additional questions? [2:43:05, 2:43:12]: Is Barber you have something? Go ahead please. I do. Um so the poll that you mentioned or the survey that you did. [2:43:13, 2:43:20]: Were those residents aware that there is a storage facility coming um already approved or coming across the street? [2:43:20, 2:43:40]: Uh to to be very honest with you, I I don't believe that the people that were taking the poll informed them of other storage units in the area. Right. They were speaking in general about is there a need and what do they have any objection to a storage unit. And many of them said eighty eight percent said that they were comfortable and in favor of a storage facility. [2:43:40, 2:43:43]: And many of them said that they had a need for storage facility. [2:43:44, 2:43:57]: And I would honestly I would have supported your proposal and your request had it not been for the other storage facility that's already coming. [2:43:57, 2:44:10]: Um that's that's the only challenge that I have. We already have one that's coming and there's already another storage facility um less than a mile away. That's that's my only challenge there. [2:44:10, 2:44:30]: If if I may respond to that, and I and I do appreciate your opinion and I do understand uh the point that I want to make is that our storage facility is heads and tails above these other facilities. Our our unit is something that is beautiful and aesthetically pleasing, and it's something that when you [2:44:30, 2:44:40]: When you look at it from the ground, it's not far up above ground where it's an eyesore. It's something that is going to enhance and improve. And it was designed with that in mind when it was done. [2:44:41, 2:44:48]: I get it. And honestly I would have supported it had it not been for the other one. That's what I'm challenged with. Um [2:44:50, 2:44:50]: That's all. [2:44:51, 2:44:53]: I I do appreciate that viewpoint. Thank you. [2:44:53, 2:44:54]: Any other questions from the council? [2:44:56, 2:44:56]: Okay. [2:44:57, 2:44:58]: If not then uh gentlemen. [2:44:58, 2:45:07]: I guess if what Pullman uh nothing else to say right now, you can have a sitting on open up for the public hearing. Okay? Yes, sir. No problem. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate your time and your consideration. Thank you very much. [2:45:08, 2:45:16]: Okay. All right. In favor? Anybody in favor of of this um particular storage unit? My far left hand side over here. Any comments? [2:45:16, 2:45:19]: Anybody in the middle? Any favor? Any comments? [2:45:20, 2:45:23]: For our right side. Any comments in favor? [2:45:23, 2:45:27]: Okay, any any comments against uh this tour storage facility? [2:45:27, 2:45:30]: Yeah on the far left side. Anything in the middle. [2:45:30, 2:45:31]: Anything on the right side? [2:45:32, 2:45:36]: All right, no comments for favor or against for or against. So I'll close out that part of the public hearing. [2:45:37, 2:45:39]: Uh Mr. Anderson, come back to the podium, please. [2:45:46, 2:46:00]: All right, what we have here, if there are no other comments uh from the council, then I'll go through this process uh for approval or disapproval. Comprehensive plan amendment case CP two zero two four-07 for uh uh property located in council district two. [2:46:01, 2:46:21]: Consideration of comprehensive plan amendment request for a change of land uh future land use designations for four parcels on the south side Davis Road as identified below. From the current split future land use designations to low density mixed use to the entire for the entire property for the purpose of allowing the the construction of self-storage well. [2:46:21, 2:46:41]: Warehouse development, excuse me. The property owner is B1 Home Improvement LLC and the agents are Robert Nesbeth and Rogers Gutierrez. The property is located in Landlot 71 District 12 and contains 6.895 acres. Address 649 Davis Road parcels S05. [2:46:41, 2:47:01]: Contains three point six zero five zero acres, current future land use designations, low density residential and medium density mixed use. Address six five seven Davis Road parcels S05-0800-3000 contains [2:47:01, 2:47:21]: Contains point six six acres, current land future land use designation unassigned. After 681 Davis Row parcel S05-08005-000 contains 1.34 error acres. Future current future land use designations, low density residential and medium density. [2:47:21, 2:47:41]: Mixed use. Parcel number S05-08006-000 on Davis Road. Contains 1.29 acres. Current future land use designation low density residential and medium density mixed use. All right, council, is there a motion to approve or deny this particular comprehensive plan? [2:47:40, 2:48:00]: make one comment. Yes, what's that, sir? Let me just say this to the council. And I've looked at the uh proposals, I've listened to everything that's been said. But look, I'm just the issue with me is that I don't know who who they surveyed, but I've I haven't seen anybody in the community that supports. I keep hearing over and over [2:48:00, 2:48:20]: Again, the the citizens want to see something better than this. They want to see better options. They want to see retail. They want to see restaurants. Yet we keep getting the same proposals. And we're gonna keep getting the same proposals with a yes vote tonight. I can't support this, so I'm not gonna vote for it. And it's up to you all to determine what you would do. [2:48:20, 2:48:23]: But in my opinion, I can't support this. [2:48:25, 2:48:29]: All right, there's uh there's a motion to approve or de or disapprove or approve this [2:48:29, 2:48:31]: Company's plan amendment. [2:48:33, 2:48:34]: Is there a motion? [2:48:36, 2:48:44]: All right. Mayor Ford. Yes, ma'am. I do I wanna ask a question of Mr. Gardner. And forgive me, Mr. Gardner, for putting you on the spot. [2:48:46, 2:48:49]: So, this is one of those situations where [2:48:52, 2:48:54]: We don't want a truck stop. [2:48:54, 2:48:55]: Mm-hmm. [2:48:57, 2:48:59]: But what kind of [2:49:00, 2:49:03]: Undecided about this public storage facility. [2:49:03, 2:49:11]: We don't want high residential townhome community built there. That area is already highly populated. [2:49:14, 2:49:20]: I understand with this public storage facility that it's less traffic. [2:49:21, 2:49:30]: I get it. They are low burden on the city's resources. But in terms of [2:49:30, 2:49:35]: Developing the area with more desirable. [2:49:35, 2:49:36]: Commercial. [2:49:36, 2:49:40]: Not saying that this public stores facility is not desirable. [2:49:41, 2:49:43]: Because I would have considered this one. [2:49:44, 2:49:47]: As opposed to the other one that's right on the corner of [2:49:48, 2:49:49]: North Henry. [2:49:51, 2:49:55]: What would you suggest going forward? Um or [2:49:56, 2:49:57]: At any point. [2:49:57, 2:50:00]: In this particular area of Davis Road. [2:50:00, 2:50:02]: Well we have the town home. [2:50:02, 2:50:03]: Development is coming. [2:50:04, 2:50:05]: In my district. [2:50:06, 2:50:06]: Um [2:50:06, 2:50:09]: and even off Valley Hill Road. [2:50:10, 2:50:11]: Because I know [2:50:12, 2:50:13]: Our future land use map. [2:50:14, 2:50:16]: Um, we're not anticipating [2:50:16, 2:50:17]: Well [2:50:18, 2:50:20]: What would you suggest? [2:50:22, 2:50:30]: So, um, Councilmember Barber, um, you know, what I may suggest is [2:50:32, 2:50:32]: No. [2:50:33, 2:50:53]: I don't know if I should we should use that as a criteria um for this specific project. Um but I would say, you know, you you gotta look at it um make sure I get the right. You gotta look at it based on on on the merits of the application. [2:50:52, 2:50:55]: Um [2:50:56, 2:51:03]: I think if I remember correctly, when this came when they were annexing back in oh three, um [2:51:04, 2:51:21]: I I remember correctly, there was proposing to combine and put a subdivision in here, but I don't think that it that I think that fell through shortly after it came into the city and that's why it's been what it's been. Um, the only thing that got built over there was that strip center right there. [2:51:22, 2:51:32]: um adjacent to the Walmart that came in after the Walmart came in. Um because I remember approving that um back in oh two, somewhere around there. Um [2:51:33, 2:51:41]: It's hard. I mean, there is a defining break line as it relates to this project. Obviously, you can't get any more commercial along this corridor. [2:51:42, 2:51:44]: Um the vacant track here is being developed. [2:51:44, 2:52:04]: Um at some point you'll probably see the the trailer parks probably in the next twenty five years, depending on what happens in this area, will probably come up for development. But in terms of a commercial use, this would literally be the last portion of what that area would be. Um just because it's it's [2:52:04, 2:52:08]: Boxed in by residential projects. Um [2:52:09, 2:52:15]: It's up to the council to determine if this is you think is this is the highest and best use. I mean, at this point. [2:52:15, 2:52:23]: um for the property. Um in light of the fact that you just put one literally a fifth of a mile away. Um [2:52:24, 2:52:28]: So that's that's a that's a tough decision to make. Um [2:52:29, 2:52:34]: But, you know, staff looked at it through the analysis and determined that, you know, based on all the factors. [2:52:35, 2:52:40]: Um unrecommed approval. The planning commission did the same, reviewing the staff analysis of it. [2:52:41, 2:52:45]: Um but once again this is a legislative decision, so regardless of that, you guys still [2:52:46, 2:52:47]: You have the final say. [2:52:48, 2:52:48]: Um [2:52:49, 2:52:51]: Could we get something better in there? [2:52:51, 2:52:51]: Maybe. [2:52:52, 2:52:53]: Oh [2:52:53, 2:52:55]: But we don't know when that will be, obviously. [2:52:57, 2:52:58]: So [2:52:58, 2:53:06]: Literally without answering yes or no. It's kind of kind of a situation we're in with this parcel with this this group of parcels. [2:53:09, 2:53:10]: You're welcome. [2:53:10, 2:53:12]: Yeah, for a few please. [2:53:12, 2:53:20]: I I'd just like to say to to the to the gentleman that I I just want to commend you for [2:53:21, 2:53:27]: actually, you know, coming forward and actually even owning the property. Uh for me [2:53:28, 2:53:36]: I I really think this is a i i it it's a valuable piece of property. I really do. Looking at the location [2:53:36, 2:53:47]: I grew up here in Stockbridge and uh and I remember and I hope the council don't mind me going the long version with this, but I remember where the Walmart is. [2:53:48, 2:53:48]: Um [2:53:50, 2:53:51]: The cotton fields. [2:53:52, 2:53:53]: M. L. King senior. [2:53:55, 2:53:58]: uh head a um a sharecropper's [2:53:58, 2:54:01]: Shack where that service station is at Walmart. [2:54:01, 2:54:06]: So my point is that I think this is a valuable piece of land. [2:54:06, 2:54:08]: But as I mentioned before, for me [2:54:10, 2:54:13]: I try to look to the future good. [2:54:13, 2:54:15]: of a particular area. [2:54:16, 2:54:17]: And I know once [2:54:18, 2:54:20]: Whatever you put in there. [2:54:20, 2:54:22]: That's gonna be the trend. [2:54:22, 2:54:26]: And and I don't think we have support tonight for it, but [2:54:27, 2:54:38]: I'll be I'm just a little reluctant to set that trend tonight with storage units. I I am personally. Um [2:54:40, 2:54:43]: But I think this is a great piece of property. [2:54:43, 2:54:45]: think is a valuable piece of property. [2:54:46, 2:54:48]: Just looking at the location. [2:54:48, 2:54:51]: And in all our discussions [2:54:51, 2:54:53]: And our land use plan in [2:54:53, 2:55:03]: You know, you look at that particular area, you know, that whole 138. And see that is the reason why um highway forty two is being widened. [2:55:04, 2:55:05]: Because [2:55:06, 2:55:08]: Everyone see the future. [2:55:08, 2:55:10]: for that particular area. [2:55:11, 2:55:13]: And that gives you some indication that [2:55:13, 2:55:16]: That's a valuable piece of area there. [2:55:16, 2:55:18]: But I just don't know from [2:55:19, 2:55:21]: From our standpoint [2:55:22, 2:55:23]: And turn to [2:55:23, 2:55:26]: forteil the future. [2:55:26, 2:55:28]: With land use. [2:55:29, 2:55:32]: I just don't know if this is the product. [2:55:33, 2:55:38]: that we wanna see right now in that location. I understand the need in like [2:55:38, 2:55:42]: Councilwoman Barber said, There's one already planned. [2:55:43, 2:55:45]: There's one already down the street. [2:55:46, 2:55:49]: So uh I just think that um [2:55:50, 2:56:10]: The timing is bad. I I just really do so. Um I just think you know you you really won't get support tonight on it. Uh I hate to say, you know, uh to turn it down. I I just don't think it's a pass tonight. Um six months from now, I I still don't know. A year from now, I still don't. [2:56:09, 2:56:11]: Yeah. [2:56:11, 2:56:12]: Um [2:56:13, 2:56:19]: to say that if you could come up with another project on the same property, you know, I d I don't know. [2:56:20, 2:56:23]: But I just think this product right here tonight. [2:56:24, 2:56:25]: I just don't think [2:56:26, 2:56:38]: there's any favorable recommendation or vote tonight for a storage unit on that piece of property tonight. I I just don't think it's there. [2:56:39, 2:56:40]: I year back, Mayor. [2:56:41, 2:56:44]: No problem. Call so I need a motion to approve or disapprove, please. [2:56:47, 2:56:47]: Any motion? [2:56:50, 2:56:54]: All right. I'll make a motion to deny the request. Okay. [2:56:55, 2:56:56]: You have a question? [2:56:56, 2:56:56]: No. [2:56:57, 2:57:05]: gonna say well we i i there's no motion to deny. It's either you make a motion for the agenda item, whether you're gonna approve it and then you leave it or it just dies. [2:57:06, 2:57:10]: Well, if no one makes a motion it will die. That's true. That's why I was just waiting. But [2:57:10, 2:57:11]: But uh [2:57:11, 2:57:23]: But it's a approve or deny. And it's either you we either approve it or it just dies. Well, if we if there's not a motion then it will do it before. But if it if we don't have a motion it will die. Okay. [2:57:25, 2:57:25]: Toll. [2:57:26, 2:57:32]: No, it would just be lang languishing out there. But if we officially deny it, they can't come back for six months or a year. [2:57:32, 2:57:44]: I don't know what's what is the decision on what if it if it is denied, what what's excuse me now? A year a year. A year. There you go. There's your answer. Now, is there a motion to approve? [2:57:46, 2:58:00]: Uh my motion was to deny it. I think we've had it and every last one of us have heard that our citizens don't are tired of getting this type of development again and again. All right, fine. So you got a motion to deny. Is there a second to that motion? [2:58:02, 2:58:04]: Mr Mr Berry Second, all in favor, please indicate. [2:58:06, 2:58:12]: All posed. Well wait a minute. I all everybody. Four deny. All all all all agree. [2:58:13, 2:58:15]: Okay. You okay on all polls? [2:58:17, 2:58:18]: Uh abstentions? [2:58:19, 2:58:26]: We have for everybody voted to deny. No, uh no, uh uh Mr Thomas is of uh still stains. Miss Barber, you voted [2:58:28, 2:58:30]: To to deny. [2:58:30, 2:58:31]: To deny. [2:58:33, 2:58:53]: I'm I'm clarifying. I voted to deny. Okay, good there we go. So it it the motion passed with a di well for motion passed to deny. All right, so it's four zero one. All right. Rezoning case R Z two zero two four four four four four four dash zero four. Point of order. Yes. I think without the comprehensive plan it really can't go forward anyway, right? [2:58:53, 2:58:56]: That may everything else fails subsequent to that. [2:58:57, 2:59:03]: All right, thank you. From fast case, so so you're telling Tim, well, legal opinion, do I need to go through the process of reading this w or not? [2:59:06, 2:59:07]: Screaming. [2:59:07, 2:59:27]: That's what I thought. Okay. Rezoning case RZ 2024-08 for property located Council District 2. Consideration rezoning request to rezone for parcels on the south side of Davis Road as are identified below from SR suburban residential to OI office institutional to C3 Heavy Commercial. [2:59:27, 2:59:40]: for the purpose of a line for the construction of self-storage warehouse development. The property owner is a B1 home improvement LLC for the agents and the agents are Robert Nesbeth and Rogers Jutiera. [2:59:42, 3:00:02]: A property located in Landlot 71, District 12, and it contains 6.895 total acres. Address 649 Davis Road, parcel S05-08004-000 contains 3.605 acres. Current zoning SR residential suburban. [3:00:02, 3:00:22]: Suburban residential. Address six five seven Davis Row parcels S05-0800-3000 contains point six six acres. Uh current zoning SR suburban residential. Average six eighty one Davis Row parcel S05-08005000 contains one point. [3:00:22, 3:00:42]: Current zoning SR suburban residential. Parcel S05-0800-6000 on Davis Road contains 1.29 acres. Current zoning OI office institutional. Is there a motion to deny, approve, or deny this particular zoning rezoning? [3:00:42, 3:00:45]: Process. Motion to deny. Is there a second to motion? [3:00:46, 3:00:50]: Mr. Barrett second. All favor, please indicate. Question. Yeah, that's your question, sir. [3:01:09, 3:01:10]: Very well. [3:01:13, 3:01:13]: Way [3:01:15, 3:01:16]: Yes, sir. [3:01:16, 3:01:30]: Right. Yeah. And once again a motion has been made to den motion been made to deny for Mr Alexander, seconded by Mr. Berry. All in favor of the motion to deny. Please indicate. Sorry, gentlemen. [3:01:30, 3:01:41]: Okay. All right, the comprehensive plan amendment case CP two zero two four dash zero eight property located in Council District One. Consideration of comprehensive plan [3:01:42, 3:02:02]: Amendment to change the future land use designation for parcel zero one three dash zero one zero one eight zero zero zero on the east side of uh Black Hall Road, south of Walt Stevens Road from the current future land use designation of a parks slash residential res recreation and conservation of low density residential [3:02:02, 3:02:07]: to allow for a division of property into separate lots for single family detached residential development. [3:02:07, 3:02:27]: Property owners Joyce Kemper Hager Living Trust and Joyce Kemper Hager as Trustee. Applicants AP Property Solutions LLC and Surrenders Sharma. Agent Selby Mill uh Miller Surveying and Planning Incorporated property is located in Landlock 24, District 12, and it contains 4.849. [3:02:27, 3:02:38]: total acres. It has your applicant request of uh withdrawals but it says in front of me. Y Yes, sir Mayor on the on the on the advice of uh legal, uh they wanted counsel to make a motion to accept it. [3:02:39, 3:02:41]: To accept the withdrawal. Okay. [3:02:41, 3:02:44]: Um it was determined that they didn't need uh [3:02:45, 3:02:55]: um sewer I mean a septic tank, so they can build uh they can build on a septic tank instead of s having required being required to have sewer connection. [3:02:55, 3:03:02]: All right. So as a result, they withdrew their application. Oh, they withdrew their application Yeah, so they didn't need the zoning. [3:03:02, 3:03:12]: Mayor. Yes, ma'am. That's not true. We we voted and we've had a discussion about this that everyone now would be required to have sewer. [3:03:14, 3:03:16]: Um didn't we have a discussion about this recently? [3:03:16, 3:03:19]: How recently? How many years ago? [3:03:19, 3:03:39]: Not let it hadn't been that long ago because there was a whole tax issue then we talked about sewage and we talked about septic. Uh uh we we we combed through the uh UDC and other and other uh city codes and it's not in it. And yeah, we probably need to add it and even water's available and sew is available everywhere. [3:03:39, 3:03:42]: Okay, stand by Ms. Holiday, you have something to add? [3:03:51, 3:03:56]: Mr. Deshitz was speaking of it. I remember that we talked about this. We said [3:03:56, 3:04:07]: that because there was a question on whether or not anyone else uh whether or not we're gonna make that a requirement. And there was is some federal law in regards to [3:04:07, 3:04:08]: Um [3:04:09, 3:04:15]: Items that have to be done. It's yeah. If they have access is required now. [3:04:15, 3:04:16]: And there's a requirement. [3:04:17, 3:04:19]: That may be the case, Councilman McGann, but [3:04:20, 3:04:21]: It's not in our coat. [3:04:22, 3:04:23]: So [3:04:28, 3:04:32]: So when they updated the UDC in twenty twenty two, they didn't include it in there. [3:04:33, 3:04:37]: Well then we're gonna have to amend that, but if there's no [3:04:38, 3:04:43]: I didn't hear this. We d we haven't received any opinion of this. Where's legal? [3:04:44, 3:04:46]: Well it was done by a zoning attorney, Ms. Valerie Ross. [3:04:47, 3:04:48]: We're we're legal. [3:04:49, 3:04:57]: Well she s she's here. We have Luke here, but but it's but it's only an attorney represented this or or talked to us about this, I guess. I don't know. I don't know if she can handle this or not. [3:04:59, 3:05:00]: Can you handle it legal? [3:05:01, 3:05:04]: Do you have any answers? Why don't you come to a podium please tonight? [3:05:05, 3:05:06]: Can we call a bell on the phone? [3:05:06, 3:05:10]: No. Ari? Could you come to the mic, please? [3:05:11, 3:05:18]: What w I just wanna understand something? Is there is they're not wanting to connect to the to so to water and sewer? What what is the issue? [3:05:20, 3:05:21]: Legal. [3:05:22, 3:05:22]: Please. [3:05:26, 3:05:28]: We're trying to cut to get the galaxy. [3:05:31, 3:05:40]: And you're looking for something specific, Mr Mar uh Mr. Scar? So the the history has been you can develop on Sioux on septic if there's no Sioux available. [3:05:41, 3:05:45]: Right. So most of your homes in unincorporated Henry County on [3:05:46, 3:05:53]: Three thousand thirty thousand square foot or or larger could be on septic as long as the property can show that it can perk. [3:05:53, 3:05:54]: Right. [3:05:54, 3:05:55]: Um [3:05:55, 3:06:02]: I was just asking Ryan. I think this track came in as part of the twenty twenty three annexation,'cause this wasn't in the city before. [3:06:02, 3:06:03]: Um [3:06:04, 3:06:12]: But usually that's what they require if you're gonna be on a septic system. But if I am not mistaken and I'm trying to see if I could find the map. [3:06:12, 3:06:15]: Дим де згадабі сур. [3:06:16, 3:06:21]: I know sewer serves the conven the B P on the corner. The requirements. [3:06:22, 3:06:25]: So yeah, so I I'm trying to figure out what that [3:06:25, 3:06:45]: What what the new standards is because I haven't looked at Henry County standards in a minute as a release deceptive. Henry County standards is if you have access to it unless they overrule it, then I believe you have to connect to uh available water and sewer. And I think the d water develop the water authority is assist upon that. If you're there and you it is there [3:06:45, 3:06:53]: They have to pay for that connection to it. The issue is um if you have a acre or more, you you you can be exempt from it. [3:06:53, 3:07:00]: Right, but these s lot certainly not gonna be a acre or more. We know ain't nobody coming here asking for that. [3:07:01, 3:07:21]: W well they they are it's close. It's not it's like one house per one point two four. It's gonna be an acre lot. They're reducing it to instead of having multiple, they want it to be large lot landlots. But how but what is the size of the single family residence? No, it's it's gonna be small. [3:07:21, 3:07:22]: Because it went from [3:07:22, 3:07:27]: They want rule. So that that was their initial plan. [3:07:27, 3:07:33]: was to do it's it's low density residential and if I when I looked on there it was like one point [3:07:33, 3:07:47]: It's one house per one point two acre. So it's like uh uh well, one unit per one point two acre. It's only four units and they divide'em into four lots. So it's four they expect'em to build four houses basically. [3:07:47, 3:08:05]: So that's what I have on it. That's what I've seen. Yeah, they're gonna be nice. I mean they're gonna be single family units, separate, four like four houses. That's what it looks like. No. I'm looking well I wanna double check. Yeah, this it's um [3:08:05, 3:08:07]: It's divided to four. It's one unit. [3:08:08, 3:08:11]: One point two one acres per unit. [3:08:14, 3:08:15]: And it's four units. [3:08:16, 3:08:20]: Doesn't you have to do a million dollars? [3:08:21, 3:08:25]: You can build a T pounds and open out, it can be a huge house. [3:08:25, 3:08:36]: It's four point eight four acres and it's they wanna change it from um to low density residential and they wanted to change the suburban residential it is now. [3:08:37, 3:08:40]: to rural residential. So it's definitely big lots. [3:08:41, 3:08:43]: It's r being changed to rule. [3:08:44, 3:08:45]: Because [3:08:46, 3:08:57]: So I don't object, but I don't want them to be on septic. Yeah. Right. Now that would be concerning. [3:09:02, 3:09:04]: Three. [3:09:07, 3:09:27]: Is excuse me, um, for the sake of time, Mr. Anderson and Mr. Gardner, if we can't get an answer to this portion tonight in regards to the septic issue, um, whether or not and then once we speak to public works, because I could have sworn we talked about this, that if they can connect to uh [3:09:27, 3:09:32]: of sewage, then they would be required to do so. [3:09:32, 3:09:50]: Um and if that is the case, then we need I need us to talk a little bit more to our legal department on that, as well as our um public works director, and then we can take this up during um the next council meeting. [3:09:52, 3:10:12]: Well right now, even though you made that request, they're just trying to find some clarification here. There's got a couple of folks research doing some research and and on the phone to see whether or not uh see what direction we probably need to go and understand your recommendation. But most were drawn by average, so we research it and determine that it doesn't leave and [3:10:12, 3:10:32]: They can move forward without our approval? Really? If we find out that it's they are required to then obviously just be back before you, they'll have to come back and resubmit. I mean technically if if they're covered and they don't have to, we can't need to be pushed them into something. [3:10:31, 3:10:51]: to the process right now right so but we're uh and that's I think that's where where I'm speaking to was through the zone attorney had to report because of the situation but I think he's also talking to the S about like I said I know for a fact that you know this piece came in there are [3:10:51, 3:11:00]: If you remember correctly, it was a portion of Black um falling waters, right? It's part of my village. And the only reason why they got built. [3:11:01, 3:11:04]: when Moral Rivers was first built, the the sewer line didn't support. [3:11:09, 3:11:15]: Yeah, it's I remember me and Michael Harris getting chewed up from the former district commissioner for [3:11:25, 3:11:26]: Uh to go to [3:11:27, 3:11:28]: Um [3:11:30, 3:11:40]: Right now there's no action needed so we'll go back and if there if there is, we'll we'll announce that they're they're having to submit if there [3:11:41, 3:11:50]: Well, this is on our agenda, so the I think the thought th thought process also is do we vote on this or not one way or the other? Or if if not then then's majority case. [3:11:50, 3:11:54]: So in your case, applicant would do what now? The applicant is requested. [3:11:55, 3:11:58]: Okay, so we have to we have to agree to that or we just drop it? [3:11:59, 3:11:59]: Yeah. [3:12:00, 3:12:06]: You could agree to it, but in essence you you're coming back to the same conclusion, which means they're not gonna be hurt. [3:12:07, 3:12:15]: Yeah, but uh he Mr. Anderson just said the attorney t wanted us to vote on the withdrawal. That's why we're having this discussion. [3:12:18, 3:12:19]: I don't understand. [3:12:20, 3:12:23]: You don't have the vote of withdrawal, they just withdraw. [3:12:27, 3:12:31]: Well what d we have a legal opinion on on the our way forward right now? [3:12:34, 3:12:38]: Ms. Turney, do we have a legal opinion on what what we need to do right now in reference since it's on the agenda? [3:12:42, 3:12:45]: I'm sorry. You gotta come to the mic, please. I can't hear you. [3:12:57, 3:13:00]: Anything near I was recommending. [3:13:03, 3:13:03]: Okay. [3:13:06, 3:13:16]: Evening Mayor, Council. My recommendation was to defer this for additional research if there's contention and conflicting information presented for the next meeting. [3:13:17, 3:13:18]: All right. [3:13:19, 3:13:24]: So if you recommend that, that's a deferral for both item twelve and thirteen. [3:13:25, 3:13:26]: If he gives a wallet. [3:13:26, 3:13:36]: All right. And that requires a motion to defer, since they're asking for withdrawal. I'm assuming. Yes. Try to make sure what we do properly here. [3:13:37, 3:13:49]: Mr Gardner, you got some go ahead Mr Gardner. Yeah, just move just move the taking any action off it to next week. It's already been advertised anyway, so just take it to the next meeting. [3:13:49, 3:13:55]: All right, which is Tuesday. Just okay. Well council, I need a motion to defer this till our next meeting, which is [3:13:55, 3:13:57]: Tuesday the seventeenth. [3:13:57, 3:14:02]: So moved. Mr Berry, is there a second? I second. All right, all favor, please indicate. [3:14:03, 3:14:04]: She now's decision on that. [3:14:05, 3:14:11]: That was for the compreh I guess that's c for the comprehensive plan amendment. I just I guess we need to do this for the rezoning piece as well, right? [3:14:12, 3:14:20]: Yes, sir. Okay, let's just do the same thing for resonant, please. So motion to defer until our next meeting, which is December seventeenth. Okay, for Mr. Berry, is there a second? [3:14:20, 3:14:35]: There's second but I it's I think it's in my district. It says council district. One and one and one in council district. Yeah, but the second one says council district two. It's it's really one. Okay. So we just want to make sure we get it right. Okay. All right. [3:14:35, 3:14:37]: So yes, I second. Okay, offer present okay. [3:14:38, 3:14:40]: I was deferred until the 17th. All right, we'll move on. [3:14:41, 3:14:42]: All right, Mr U [3:14:43, 3:14:51]: Gardner, you make sure we get get that back on the seventeen, right? Yes sir. We have a decision on that. Okay, so we'll move all the way down to seventeen. [3:14:51, 3:15:01]: Uh because other items have been deferred. And so the second reading, the adoption of the FY twenty twenty five operating budget operating budget and capital improvement plan. Mr Gardner, on you, sir. [3:15:03, 3:15:04]: Okay. [3:15:05, 3:15:06]: Thank you, man. [3:15:06, 3:15:07]: You're welcome. [3:15:11, 3:15:15]: Is that the one I sent you? Yeah, that's it. Oh crap, I don't think that's it. [3:15:15, 3:15:16]: Oh, that's [3:15:19, 3:15:20]: I think this is the wrong one. [3:15:21, 3:15:22]: This is November. [3:15:22, 3:15:24]: Yeah, so [3:15:40, 3:15:48]: All right, ma'am, council. Um today is the second read of the proposed FY twenty five budget. Um [3:15:49, 3:15:50]: I had a [3:15:51, 3:15:58]: smaller presentation available. Um since we did the in depth one um in November. But probably uh [3:16:00, 3:16:07]: My I think I sent the wrong one to the system, so I apologize for that. This is the one the lengthy version of it, but I will [3:16:08, 3:16:23]: cut through and get to the chase and then ask for questions. But um when we met um back on November twelfth, uh part of the presentation I presented to you guys was where this where the city was actually headed. Um [3:16:25, 3:16:33]: in terms of where we're moving forward or growth. And and these are estimates and as we know, those estimates are impacted by what's going on. And so we're [3:16:33, 3:16:36]: At our retreat back in August I mentioned to you that [3:16:36, 3:16:37]: You know. [3:16:38, 3:16:58]: The way the economic data was reflecting was that we were gonna see some decrease in interest rates. And as you know, the feds have now decreased interest rates twice. Uh so we're no longer in the eight percent range and as interest rates drop for as it relates to long term investment such as housing, what you're gonna see is uh [3:16:58, 3:17:02]: run on houses because obviously those homes are now much more affordable. [3:17:03, 3:17:05]: than they were this time last year. [3:17:05, 3:17:06]: Right. [3:17:06, 3:17:10]: Um and so when we talk about our growth, that growth is gonna happen. [3:17:10, 3:17:18]: Um, because of the amount of units that we've actually approved over the last five years, I think can somewhere in the range of almost five thousand units. [3:17:19, 3:17:39]: Um if you do just general math and times that by about 2.6, 2.7 house persons per household, that kinda adds to what's coming to the city over the next few years when those projects actually start moving forward, which many of them are in the process. Um I illustrated to you guys the growth of the city since 1996. [3:17:38, 3:17:47]: Up until this year. And so you see where the city has grown in some of those areas, even back in 1996. We can see where my cursor is, is Monarch Village. [3:17:48, 3:17:51]: And at the time that was under construction, that had not actually been [3:17:52, 3:17:56]: Homes weren't being sold then. They were starting to sell in nineteen ninety eight. [3:17:57, 3:18:00]: Um when that actually came online. So that was vacant line. [3:18:00, 3:18:02]: And if you remember, I think Mr. [3:18:02, 3:18:06]: Mr Thomas could attest to that used to be the old lion country safari. [3:18:06, 3:18:10]: Um, back in the day. So we had Lion Country Safari in Henry County and [3:18:11, 3:18:21]: Uh I remember when a resident, I think it was the HO president at the time, bought a home in the Monarch Village and was doing some work and dug up a boon and thought it was a human skull. It actually turned out to be a chimpanzee. [3:18:22, 3:18:26]: Right. So kinda give you a history of where we are. And so when you look at two thousand [3:18:27, 3:18:34]: twenty four and where we are, uh in terms of the city's growth. We're literally less than half a mile from the northern tip of [3:18:34, 3:18:35]: The city of McDonald. [3:18:36, 3:18:37]: Right, from Daily Mill Road. [3:18:38, 3:18:42]: to Jodico Road, as how close we are to actually touching the city of McDonough. [3:18:43, 3:18:45]: Um, so we're close in terms of where we've been growing. [3:18:47, 3:19:07]: Uh as we highlighted in our presentation um back in uh November, um some of the priorities that we want to see happening and obviously those with the passage of the SPLOSS, we'll see a lot of these projects moving forward over the next six years um because we are in a six year spLOS, so a lot of road improvements, sidewalks improvements will continue. Um we know [3:19:07, 3:19:18]: it as we increase in population and there's still a lot of land that's gonna be coming into the city. I I remind you that remember you have that Western parallel connector area between [3:19:18, 3:19:20]: Eagles Landing and Jodico. [3:19:21, 3:19:25]: That's coming in the city, that's over three hundred acres of undeveloped raw out. [3:19:25, 3:19:26]: It's [3:19:27, 3:19:39]: Partly in the city, about a hundred acres is still not in the city. But right now that's all raw land and that roadway is under construction. And as you've seen throughout our years living here, if you build a road, guess what's coming next? [3:19:40, 3:19:40]: Development. [3:19:41, 3:19:55]: Right. You don't see trees on on roads, especially this close to the interstate. So you know there's gonna be development and part of what um we're gonna do and talking to Ryan and his group is making sure that we start and we've already opened up conversations with Henry County. [3:19:56, 3:20:01]: Because I don't know how many of you guys remember, back in two thousand and ten there was an L CI study done. [3:20:02, 3:20:03]: In that area. [3:20:03, 3:20:23]: Um nothing happened over these last fourteen years, but we want to go back and revisit that with the county and the ARC to see which portion of that plan we can make um come back to fruition and plan that area ahead of the development coming before you guys. Um we talked about um no increase in our utility rates or our fees. [3:20:23, 3:20:28]: Um no movement in our millage rate. We're still at 3.77 mills. [3:20:28, 3:20:31]: Uh remember that we did have growth in our digest. [3:20:32, 3:20:33]: Of just under six percent. [3:20:34, 3:20:41]: Um, but we also saw growth in our lost because if you guys remember when we got the seven thousand residents in the city. [3:20:42, 3:20:48]: We went back to the county and we got an additional two point something percent increase in our lost [3:20:48, 3:20:53]: So high revenues have grown based on those two factors. And as you know, [3:20:53, 3:20:54]: This year you will see [3:20:54, 3:20:58]: A lot more development coming online, whereas [3:20:58, 3:21:18]: Um in 2025, you know, Whataburg is is still undeveloped land, right? Um the sprout side when they did the assessment is still technically undeveloped, but you'll see those now coming into the tax digest for the city uh in 2025. So a lot of those commercial projects as they come on. [3:21:18, 3:21:26]: online will capture those new projects. And so you'll see growth in the digest there. Some of the special projects we want to continue working on. [3:21:26, 3:21:29]: Um the U Senior Performing Arts and Activity Center. [3:21:30, 3:21:50]: Um that's one of the major projects that's been out there and we want to get that project moving because it's been about four years um since we acquired funding for that, including moving forward on our parks. Um as you know, we were granted through an agreement with the Henry County Water Authority an additional twelve acres of property off of Eagles Land and Parkway for that Southside Park. [3:21:50, 3:21:58]: Want to be able to get moving on that, but also move on doing some additional planning through our parks master plan. Um [3:22:00, 3:22:04]: for the memorial for memorial park. And we we just recently [3:22:04, 3:22:12]: Um was able to close on the property. We got one more portion of that agreement and then I will send that to you guys. But we were able to acquire 443. [3:22:13, 3:22:14]: Uh M L K. [3:22:14, 3:22:22]: Um, and that'll add to the entrance of Memorial Park,'cause most folks, including myself for years, did not know how to get to that park. [3:22:22, 3:22:42]: Um, because you had to go through the neighborhood to get there. So having that access point off of MLK in conjunction with the next thing, which is our trail systems, and you guys have some of you guys have been on the meetings with the Path Foundation and what they're proposing to connect with the system that we're putting in place with the improvements we're putting in place in the Tide Street neighborhood. [3:22:42, 3:23:02]: Um and Memorial Park had that with link between there and down um downtown. So our trail system and now with the fact that we've got this plus, those you see those things going forward. Um North Hendry Pedestrian Bridge, we're actually now talking with G Dot and our feds on that one. Continue water and sewer upgrades and continuing with um [3:23:02, 3:23:05]: maintenance for um facilities. [3:23:13, 3:23:27]: Charles I say I'm gonna skip through, you know, you guys know we've talked about the challenges um at our retreat back in August. We talked a little bit about some of the challenges that are upcoming and and how we're gonna meet those challenges moving forward. [3:23:27, 3:23:41]: Um and those include obviously growth, growth in our continued growth in um what's happening in the police, public works and some of our other um departments to inlign ourselves with what's happening um with the growth in the city. [3:23:43, 3:23:54]: All right. Uh general fund budget as well as our total budget uh balance. Remember that your budget is predicated on what you propose in revenues, not expenses. So you you [3:23:54, 3:23:58]: You are you estimate what your revenues are gonna be and you [3:23:58, 3:24:13]: make your expenses meet those. Uh so revenues and expenses aligned at twenty nine point two million overall to include our SPLOSS and all the other projects, uh 62 million overall funds, uh enterprise funds, which is our water sewer. [3:24:13, 3:24:16]: stormwater infrastructure uh sixty two point one million. [3:24:17, 3:24:18]: And that's not akin. [3:24:18, 3:24:23]: Far away from cities of our size is pretty much in in line with. [3:24:23, 3:24:27]: Um some cities our size and obviously some cities our size have more. [3:24:28, 3:24:29]: So give an example. [3:24:30, 3:24:32]: The city of East Point where I work is the same population. [3:24:33, 3:24:35]: Their budget is almost two million, two hundred million. [3:24:36, 3:24:37]: But that's because they have electric. [3:24:38, 3:24:44]: uh infr they have electric infrastructure and electric utility as well as they still do uh sanitation. [3:24:48, 3:24:57]: And so to take us back a little bit, uh I I wanted to make sure I remember, you know, we started this process back in at the staff level back in May of this year. [3:24:58, 3:24:59]: Where the staff meant. [3:24:59, 3:25:10]: work through with each of the departments to come up with a budget. That budget was sent to you guys back in uh either late July or early um February early August. [3:25:10, 3:25:15]: We did meet at our budget retreat. Um at that retreat, you had each of the departments come through. [3:25:15, 3:25:18]: go over their budget, you guys were able to ask questions. [3:25:18, 3:25:25]: I think one of the key areas that of concern that came up was events. I think they were at eight hundred thousand and now they're down to six hundred and seventy. [3:25:26, 3:25:27]: And as part of that discussion. [3:25:28, 3:25:31]: With the events department, we uh ax for clarity. [3:25:32, 3:25:52]: as it relates to how Evans is gonna book for those three or four concerts that they put on and what type of acts. And I guess you guys remember me talking about grits and jelly beans. I remember that, that group. Right? Grits and jelly butter. G grits excuse me, grits and jelly butter. I keep keep forgetting. Um [3:25:52, 3:26:02]: But you know, remember reminding that you know, those are the type of acts that that we wanna get in those cover bands versus paying the high costs and be able to bring that budget down. Uh [3:26:03, 3:26:04]: And so we had to first read [3:26:05, 3:26:17]: Obviously after that meeting, uh we had the first read uh back on November twelfth and today we have the second read and if it's clear on the adoption thereof and other than I got some questions. [3:26:31, 3:26:51]: I did get some questions. Thanks you, Count Councilmember Thomas, as promised. Um, you did send me your list of questions and we will incorporate these as part of the appendix in the budget. So you when we've when it's adopted, we'll put it in the back so folks can go through and see what questions to were asked. Um, but we were able to effort m all of your questions. I did send the email this afternoon. [3:26:51, 3:27:08]: after you sent it to us, but I also have a printout for you as well. So um if you have any further questions from there, um we'll be able to answer those as well moving forward. Uh and so with that, you know, like I said, we wasn't gonna go into the weeds. Obviously we've been in this process for the last eight months. [3:27:08, 3:27:16]: Um since May. But if there are any additional questions, obviously we're here to to answer those questions as best we can. And if we have to. [3:27:16, 3:27:17]: Um [3:27:18, 3:27:24]: And if it's, you know, the will of the council will move forward with adoption that's fine. If not, we do have our meeting next week. [3:27:24, 3:27:27]: And we'll try to get those questions and concerns answered. [3:27:27, 3:27:34]: uh make any changes necessary and have it back on the agenda for next week. But we're required by law to have two public hearings. [3:27:34, 3:27:37]: Uh we had one in November, this one and then the adoption. [3:27:37, 3:27:40]: Um that adoption could be at this meeting by law. [3:27:40, 3:27:42]: Um or [3:27:42, 3:27:47]: I think we were used to doing the process of another meeting, but it's actually not required by law to do so. [3:27:48, 3:27:53]: Um, I'm gonna stop because obviously you guys have disinformation, so [3:27:53, 3:28:02]: Um, with that I'm willing to take any questions you may have and we will post all of these presentations online so the citizens can see them under the FY twenty five budget. [3:28:03, 3:28:10]: Councilman questions that she have for Mr. Gardner right now. This is a public hearing, so I gotta open that up as well. But I'll wait and see what kind of questions the council have right now. [3:28:11, 3:28:14]: I think there are a couple of things that I want to ask about this. [3:28:20, 3:28:40]: In addition, uh you've done the budget here, but there was a couple of questions that I had about some items uh that might be of interest to the council in addition to what you have done here. Um in terms of I don't know whether we might s pursue some additional funding and grants or other [3:28:40, 3:28:47]: uh type of assistance but uh if we wanted to have some type of um [3:28:49, 3:29:09]: housing assistance money for someone uh you know we have a lot of challenges in the area that we would be able to provide some type of uh assistance to individuals who were in distress or some uh additional funding that we might be able to provide to uh [3:29:09, 3:29:24]: actually help homeowners become first-time buyers or be able to purchase a home. Those type of uh developments or that type of funding and where we might actually be able to secure that. [3:29:24, 3:29:27]: Yes. So Henry County [3:29:27, 3:29:32]: А за муніципаліті мін Сит Сток, а за муніципалі і Хенри Коті. [3:29:32, 3:29:52]: If you are low to moderate income and you can meet all the requirements, they actually provide first time home buyer assistance for either closing costs, um, or down payment assistance um for homeowners uh to qualify from. And the county get that, that's through the C D B G program um to allow for them to be able to get those. [3:29:52, 3:30:12]: So they can contact the Henry County Community Development Department and they will work with them to facilitate them getting to um being able to acquire those those funds for first-time home buyers as as part of that program. Well I certainly was aware of that. I just, you know, I didn't know whether that covered the cities or not. [3:30:12, 3:30:31]: Normally that covers only uncor unincorporated. So do we have to do something to act upon that? Or is just the whole citizen would go, apply for the funding, and then they would be available to them in the city limits. That is correct. So C D B G, and just to let you know, most of your qualified [3:30:31, 3:30:33]: Areas for [3:30:33, 3:30:44]: Um, will probably be those homes within the cities because if you try to find a home that's affordable for a person in the load and mortar income range, you're not gonna find them out in Kellytown. [3:30:44, 3:30:45]: That ain't gonna happen. [3:30:46, 3:31:06]: Um so most of your municipalities is where you're gonna see those assistance go, whether it's Hampton, McDonough, or Locus Grove or here. I saw them do the presentation. I didn't know it applied to the cities though. It does. And the rate, the affordable now goes up to two hundred and sixty. [3:31:05, 3:31:25]: 75,000. I'm not exactly sure how affordable that is, but certainly it should be to help someone to a cute secure house. And also, we were just at the Eagles Landing Dance Academy, and we certainly understand the effectiveness of the business assistance program, right, May? [3:31:25, 3:31:45]: We were there for that. Absolutely we were there. Right. So we want to be able to s what do we do to uh I know we took some of those out of ARPA and stuff like that. So how do we uh implement or keep supporting local businesses, especially in the downtown area, to be able to bring them in with some of that business assistance or bricks? [3:31:45, 3:31:51]: program that we have. What do what do we do to re f w to replenish those funds that have been depleted? [3:31:51, 3:32:05]: So as it relates to we did use ARPA for a major portion of that the the a business assistance program um under uh Mr. Alance when he was here. Um we did have a small portion of that that we funded through the [3:32:06, 3:32:07]: Um city. [3:32:07, 3:32:27]: Um, as part of the economic development side, I will tell you that they'll we we have our DDA in the downtown area that can do a little bit more. We've talked somewhat about what they can bring in terms of the monies that they've gotten already. And then how do we leverage them to get funding through the State Department of Community Affairs and Economics? [3:32:27, 3:32:47]: Economic development. Um, I think Ms. Um Mr. Jarrell comes with that unique skill in being able to bring that to bear. You know, so far we've gotten 500,000 through the DDRLF program for one business downtown. Um, that's not a is not a cap on how many businesses in our downtown area can get that. As we get new business. [3:32:47, 3:32:48]: This is in [3:32:48, 3:33:05]: we can actually make those applications through the DDA. It's a pass-through through the city to the D from DCA through the city to the DDA to those entities to make those happen. So the it's just taking advantage of some of the existing resources that out here because as a city [3:33:06, 3:33:26]: Stockwridge has not really taken advantage of a lot of the state funding programs. And so we want to make sure that we actively get involved in doing that. As you know, you know, part of what we have now with the TAD is going to be a big deal. And one of the things that we can use some of those fundings for. [3:33:26, 3:33:40]: as we start to get development down here and increase that value is down payment assistance to allow for affordability, right? That's one of the things we can. Business assistance. The city of Atlanta does that all the time through Invest Atlanta. [3:33:40, 3:34:00]: Right. They take those TAD funds and they roll those TAD funds in and they leverage those TAD funds uh in some areas. So some of the same um methods we can take advantage of, and I think we should. I think now we're in a process where we can start doing that as we have development come online here. So yeah, we'll continue to to leverage. [3:34:00, 3:34:03]: Um, [3:34:03, 3:34:22]: You know, I think we have some monies in the budget with as it relates to the D DA again. I think they're over two hundred thousand dollars pretty much with funding coming this year on what they can do to assist with providing some of those programs. So you're not wholly putting it on the city, but allowing the D D A to take some some of that punch as well. [3:34:22, 3:34:42]: Absolutely. So you and our new economic development director will be at the meeting tomorrow night so we can hit the ground running on that'cause I think we hit a a stopping block when we lost our other executive uh economic development director'cause we need to hit the road. Well, we certainly well I mean you already [3:34:42, 3:35:01]: And somebody have to do a lot. You are very busy and somebody gotta do the leg work. So you gotta point man to actually do the work on the opportunity zone. Right. Opportunity zone, opportunity zone, opportunity zone. Yep, we're working on that as well. And if you guys don't know, the opportunity zone is dup job tax credits. [3:35:01, 3:35:04]: So if you create a new job and hold that job for a year. [3:35:04, 3:35:09]: Each business per employee could get up to thirty two thousand dollars per employee. [3:35:10, 3:35:14]: That they don't have to pay to the state, they can use those money to push back into their business. [3:35:15, 3:35:35]: to either increase advertising or do in increase business activity, but they don't have to pay that money and income tax towards the state for those employees. So that's a huge that's a huge win. And we're working on that application we may remain again with the state. We've got the application probably halfway done. GIS is working to put the maps together so we can [3:35:35, 3:35:38]: we could determine where the designated area is and we think we'll downtown is gonna be in that loop. [3:35:39, 3:35:59]: So we know businesses seek out that designation and it'll uh uh put pinpoint where we need to uh go there. And then finally, it may be seemed to be trivial, okay, but I can't tell you how many compliments that we've gotten on the Christmas decorations or holiday decorations. [3:35:59, 3:36:19]: At Eagles Landing at the monument there and even in downtown. I think the desire was for us to continue to move forward with that. I think Walt Stevens was supposed to be coming up. Certainly I would like to see Jodico put on the list and some other areas. And as we're talking about it, it can't just be taught. [3:36:19, 3:36:39]: It's gotta be funded. So in order for it to be funded, it has to go in the budget. So I like to see what we can do about expanding that program because man, I tell you, that thing has gone viral with so many people talking about all the Christmas lights, all the holiday lights that we have. And I like to say Christmas, I'm sorry, it's me. [3:36:39, 3:36:59]: Me, uh, my personal opinion, is that people love to see that. It's brought so much joy. And if we could find a few extra dollars in the budget to be able to expand that, especially uh in Jodico, where we have uh, which will probably soon be our number one commercial area with the businesses that we attract in there. So [3:36:59, 3:37:10]: So whatever we can do to crunch some numbers to find a few extra dollars for a tree or some lights, especially at this holiday season, that would be great. And that concludes my comments. [3:37:10, 3:37:20]: Diddle. Uh well and real quick, and I know there was some some stuff sent on on social media about the trees at the [3:37:20, 3:37:21]: Uh the tower. [3:37:22, 3:37:30]: Um,'cause I actually got the email from I got a text from Henry County Chief of Police that said, Hey, your lights are not working. [3:37:30, 3:37:33]: Um literally what it was the lights are working. [3:37:34, 3:37:37]: I said I want everybody to know there was nothing wrong with the tree. The issue was [3:37:37, 3:37:41]: We were using up all of the plugs in the towel. [3:37:41, 3:37:44]: to light it and the homeless folks were coming and unplugging'em. [3:37:46, 3:38:06]: So that's was the issue. And so what we did was just pretty much reduce the usage of the outlets to four and allow for them to plug in whether they're plugging in small heaters when they're out there late at night or whatever, or whatever they're plugging in, um, we wa we allow for those we give them eight. [3:38:06, 3:38:07]: Of the eight. [3:38:07, 3:38:10]: Um, sockets there, we freed up four of'em. [3:38:11, 3:38:31]: Uh but that's what that's what the issue was. So if you guys got those text messages or saw those complaints, the lights, all of the lights on all of the the trees, the um the wreaths and all of the little associated accessories, they all work. It will be put up. I never saw that. All I saw was a lot of compliments. [3:38:31, 3:38:41]: About how to love it. So you know. We take we make sure that that's that's known that it wasn't that we were putting up faulty stuff. It was the homeless folks unplugging it. [3:38:43, 3:39:03]: All the good ideas and in reference to assisting and the citizens in the c uh community, some of those things can you yeah, can they be posted on our website informational to help our folks? In terms of of you know you're talking about links from Henry from Henry County to those. [3:39:03, 3:39:23]: tag into them and of course obviously you'll be working with the DDA along with the Cosmo and Alexander, things that nature as well. But uh just thinking about the information needs to be out there so they can look at it, see it, and make some actions, make some moves here. Um this is our second reading. So I I thought that uh we had to do uh three readings which [3:39:23, 3:39:30]: This is be December seventeenth, I would think. Uh next week. I'm sorry. Ms. Barber has a question. All right, Miss Barber, go ahead, please. [3:39:32, 3:39:37]: Mr. Gardner, I don't see any funding proposed for land acquisitions. [3:39:39, 3:39:40]: Since boss. [3:39:40, 3:39:41]: Uh uh. [3:39:41, 3:39:43]: Is there a reason why not? [3:39:43, 3:39:45]: No ma'am. Um [3:39:45, 3:39:54]: Uh uh no no line has been identified by council for us to purchase. I think since I've been here, I think the only one we purchase has been [3:39:55, 3:40:03]: the one we did recently. Um so that's not a you know, if if we have to, we obviously we'll have to look for funding if that comes about. But [3:40:04, 3:40:21]: you know, in our discussions and stuff for the retreat that never came up about land land purchase. There have been references to our visit to Sandy Springs. Um and we talked about how they were able to redevelop their downtown area. And that was one of the things that they did. [3:40:22, 3:40:38]: Correct that they can control correct zoning and developments in the area. Correct. I like to see us add a budget for land acquisitions here. And I will say, um council coun councilmember Barber. [3:40:39, 3:40:50]: Unlike Sandy Springs, we've actually owned a lot of our properties around here. I mean, the the the prime ones that we want for development, the three-acre site right behind you guys. [3:40:50, 3:41:02]: you know, maximizing the existing parking lot and subsidizing those parkings to a parking deck versus that all surface parking and capitalizing on that. Um the fifteen acre site here. [3:41:02, 3:41:07]: The we owned between Fletcher's and I forget the [3:41:07, 3:41:10]: The other building on the far end next to Love Street and Burke Street. [3:41:10, 3:41:13]: That vacant track in there, remember, we actually own those. [3:41:14, 3:41:29]: Um, we're at a parking lot where we just redid and restriped the parking lot. So all of that is up for future development. So unlike for Sandy Springs, I mean, we're we're kinda in the catbird seat to some degree to to get development. And and I will tell you, and I you guys heard me mention this. [3:41:30, 3:41:31]: If we get [3:41:32, 3:41:34]: The three acer site down here develop. [3:41:35, 3:41:43]: The amount of synergy that that's gonna put on the whole downtown area is gonna be key in terms of especially our tracks on the other side of Burke. [3:41:43, 3:41:45]: Um wood'll help that too. [3:41:45, 3:41:54]: is if we put in our activity, the youth performing art, whatever one the council puts in there right now, we've got the performing arts, cultural performing arts going in there. [3:41:54, 3:41:59]: You know, that's gonna be a huge thing and especially we're able to leverage that with the [3:41:59, 3:42:02]: Uton senior is one one project. [3:42:02, 3:42:07]: Because if you think about it right now, the number one thing that's missing downtown is people. [3:42:08, 3:42:10]: Рай, вига фізнес. [3:42:10, 3:42:11]: But [3:42:11, 3:42:13]: The key is as we start to develop. [3:42:14, 3:42:17]: And you have that activity center there, reg if it's boat or one. [3:42:18, 3:42:27]: Right. When they're in use, people are gonna come out, especially if you got something where kids are moving about. So now you've got potential for smoothie sharp, ice cream sharp. [3:42:27, 3:42:28]: You know [3:42:28, 3:42:33]: Those type of of re small ref restaurant type activities in the downtown area. [3:42:33, 3:42:34]: Um [3:42:34, 3:42:44]: You know, that's where we get our friends from Carver and the rest of these guys that we've been talking to, right? As soon as we bring them here, the first thing they do is they want to look out there, right?'Cause that's where the activity is. [3:42:45, 3:42:48]: But as soon as you start see building coming here, guess what's gonna happen? [3:42:48, 3:43:08]: Those same entities or similar entities gonna wanna come downtown. And especially if you can prove to them that the foot traffic is there. Um, that's gonna be the key to get that going. So yeah, we we're kinda in a different situation where we've got some land ripe for development, for private development. So you'll see that happening. I I'd much rather for us to control it all so that we don't get [3:43:08, 3:43:13]: I'd much rather for us to control it all. Yes. So that we don't get [3:43:15, 3:43:24]: Purchases such as package stores, such as oh oh no storage facilities. No. Those kinds of things that are already zoned. [3:43:25, 3:43:33]: I want us to be able to control it. And the only way we can control it is if we own it. There are still some areas along North Henry. [3:43:34, 3:43:44]: There may be opportunities and I just want us to and ready. Oh well. So thank you, sir. You're welcome. [3:43:46, 3:43:47]: They didn't do that for space. [3:43:48, 3:44:08]: This is supposed to be a public hearing as well, so let me open that up. Uh comments uh for the uh the budget uh thus far, any positive comments? Anybody from my far left side? Anyone in the middle, my far right side? Any negative comments in reference to the public hearing, pub public uh budget for twenty [3:44:08, 3:44:17]: 2025, the far left side, thing in the middle, and for the right. Okay. No comments one way or the other, so I'll close that portion out. Um [3:44:18, 3:44:38]: This is uh earlier in the conversation um Mr. Gardner you're talking about uh requirement is two potentially three, I guess I was thinking three uh actual bubble hearings and uh and adopted at the end of the third one. Um unless that's up to desire of the of the council to to do this tonight. I know there's some questions here that you answer. I don't know if we need to. [3:44:38, 3:44:46]: I still have um I still owe Mr. Thomas um one one answer. I think I still owe him one. Okay. Um [3:44:47, 3:44:54]: And yep. That's the one with the job descriptions and stuff. So I still owe him that to get that to to you guys. So [3:44:54, 3:45:14]: Staff started working on that this afternoon. So obviously we couldn't get all of that done today. Um so if he if if he wants, we can We can have the we can have the uh final reading and adoption on the seventeenth. [3:45:15, 3:45:16]: Mr. Go ahead please. [3:45:17, 3:45:37]: Well, Mr. Garden, I do appreciate you responding. Um I may not agree with all of the answers. Uh I think a lot of some of this is in the control of the councils for some decisions of you know policies and procedures of [3:45:37, 3:45:50]: approvement of job description, et cetera, et cetera. I I think that's in the in the wheelhouse of the council. So I disagree with some of your answers, but tonight is not tonight. [3:45:51, 3:45:52]: Um [3:45:52, 3:45:57]: One thing I do wanna mention and I know Councilman Alexander and I had this issue. [3:45:58, 3:46:01]: uh discussion and you mentioned it tonight too. [3:46:02, 3:46:18]: about the youth and senior, about the uh performing arts, and I think um some of us do agree that it need to be separated because you know when we start talking capacity [3:46:19, 3:46:22]: And we see issues that we have now. [3:46:23, 3:46:26]: uh with capacity [3:46:27, 3:46:29]: in some of our venues right now. [3:46:30, 3:46:32]: That's right. [3:46:33, 3:46:35]: I don't wanna rush through [3:46:36, 3:46:40]: And I do understand about uh approving a budget. [3:46:42, 3:46:44]: And I just want to say this to the council. [3:46:45, 3:46:48]: If you go into twenty twenty five [3:46:49, 3:46:50]: Without [3:46:51, 3:46:54]: An approved budget. [3:46:55, 3:47:00]: It just carries over to what it was in twenty twenty four. It's not the end of the world. [3:47:01, 3:47:02]: But what I'm saying is [3:47:03, 3:47:04]: I want to get it right. [3:47:05, 3:47:15]: When we talked about code enforcement, public safety, um, public works, [3:47:15, 3:47:18]: See those things are very important. [3:47:18, 3:47:20]: And we have to get it right. [3:47:21, 3:47:23]: And I don't want to gloss over [3:47:24, 3:47:25]: these issues because [3:47:26, 3:47:28]: The proof of the puddin is what you do. [3:47:29, 3:47:31]: And I've seen [3:47:31, 3:47:34]: What is happening, especially with code enforcement. [3:47:35, 3:47:37]: Unless [3:47:38, 3:47:40]: Something is gonna change. [3:47:41, 3:47:46]: As far as the way it is managed and the way staff is going out. [3:47:47, 3:47:49]: then it's it's the same. [3:47:50, 3:47:51]: So [3:47:52, 3:47:54]: I want to continue the conversations. [3:47:55, 3:47:59]: And and what sorta disturbed me somewhat too is [3:47:59, 3:48:01]: And as you all know in the council know. [3:48:02, 3:48:04]: Did I respond to the budget every year? [3:48:05, 3:48:13]: And I know we have our treasure back, and I would love for for him to come up and just say some words, but this is the framework. [3:48:15, 3:48:30]: of how we run the operations of the city. And I and I don't take this lightly. And I think we have to get it right. Then if it's not right, we come back and we make the amendments and make the changes to get it right. [3:48:31, 3:48:33]: Oh this whole process of this budget. [3:48:34, 3:48:35]: And how we [3:48:36, 3:48:37]: ефективні [3:48:38, 3:48:40]: А не фішенли [3:48:40, 3:48:42]: Runs this city. [3:48:42, 3:48:44]: It's very important to me. [3:48:44, 3:48:49]: And sometime I think we just sort of just gloss over this process. [3:48:49, 3:48:52]: And I tell citizen all the time. [3:48:52, 3:48:54]: When we have two readings or three [3:48:55, 3:48:57]: And none of you come up here, citizens. [3:48:58, 3:48:58]: So [3:48:59, 3:49:00]: Don't come later. [3:49:01, 3:49:02]: After the fact. [3:49:04, 3:49:07]: You have your opportunity to come in now. [3:49:08, 3:49:11]: to speak to that, but but I'm speaking to my counsel. [3:49:11, 3:49:13]: Let's not gloss over this process. [3:49:14, 3:49:23]: This is the framework. And that we and we we talked to these gentlemen earlier about the future and where we're trying to go. [3:49:24, 3:49:26]: Діс фреймворк, дис документ. [3:49:27, 3:49:28]: It is about the future. [3:49:29, 3:49:31]: And we have to get it right. [3:49:32, 3:49:35]: So we're going to be effective and efficient. [3:49:36, 3:49:37]: Every day [3:49:38, 3:49:43]: Of staff carrying out the vision and goals. [3:49:43, 3:49:45]: We have to get it right. [3:49:45, 3:49:49]: And staff have to understand when they come to work [3:49:50, 3:50:02]: their mission. And you know, you know, I'm a football player, I know you're an athlete. And we sort of see now, you know, how these teams are sort of failing, some are successful. [3:50:03, 3:50:05]: And it's all because [3:50:05, 3:50:18]: You have different folks that take their job a little bit more seriously and they prepare and they work hard and therefore they are successful. Some teams are successful every year. [3:50:18, 3:50:21]: And some are not Latin Falcons. [3:50:23, 3:50:42]: But uh you gotta leave the Falcon saloon, sir. Okay. I love my Falcons, but I'm telling you. It's tough. They they beat you up and let you down. It's tough. But my point is I and I just don't want us to take this process lightly. Understood. And and I don't have a problem with [3:50:42, 3:50:44]: Agreeing to disagree. [3:50:44, 3:50:48]: 'Cause the bottom line is let's just get it right. That's true. [3:50:48, 3:50:51]: And and staff, let's understand. [3:50:51, 3:50:55]: That when we create the vision and the mission. [3:50:55, 3:50:57]: It's a collaborative effort. [3:50:58, 3:51:06]: And at the end of the day, whatever that is, let's go out and try to be successful at it. And then and it's nothing wrong with coming back. [3:51:07, 3:51:11]: to make adjustments and amendment to that. Correct. [3:51:11, 3:51:17]: But I don't wanna just sit up here and nobody says nothing. Understood. And that's why sometimes [3:51:17, 3:51:19]: I will say something sometime I don't. [3:51:20, 3:51:28]: But I I want I want my councilmates to hey, let's get into this framework. Say something, ask some questions. [3:51:29, 3:51:30]: Let's get it right. [3:51:31, 3:51:35]: I don't want us two and three months down the road complaining. [3:51:36, 3:51:37]: About something. [3:51:38, 3:51:48]: When the time is now we're in that cycle. We go have these retreats. We come and have three readings. We have opportunity to call you up, send you an email. [3:51:48, 3:51:50]: So I'm just saying. [3:51:50, 3:51:51]: You know. [3:51:52, 3:51:53]: Let's do [3:51:54, 3:51:57]: What the citizens elected us to do. [3:51:58, 3:52:01]: And take our responsibility a little bit more seriously. [3:52:02, 3:52:03]: And yet do the job. [3:52:04, 3:52:22]: So that that's all I have to say. So you'll hear more from me. As I mentioned, I have some other, but you know, we get caught up and I know we got a time frame and I don't want to bombard you with all that at the very last minute. Understood. But I do have other concerns and questions. [3:52:23, 3:52:25]: But I don't want to be the only one [3:52:27, 3:52:28]: Asking questions. [3:52:28, 3:52:30]: Making recommendations. [3:52:31, 3:52:48]: Yes, sir. And and and Mr. Thomas and and thank you, right? Um, you know, we always say your your any budget is is not the Bible and or the Constitution, right? Those are usually hard fast documents that we don't change. [3:52:48, 3:53:08]: Right. We know that the budget is fluid because as we talk about the economic impacts, things that are coming out of the blue that you don't see and you have to make you know, you have to look at things um from that standpoint. I I will say thank you to council. Um and when we talk about the team and the effort, when we sat down and we went through the strategic planning. [3:53:08, 3:53:28]: process um la uh a few years ago. Um and we're looking at that now and saying, hey, okay, what are we being doing? Because one of the things I w really want to get to is, you know, when we get to that first retreat and then to that budget retreat, that we're looking at stuff strategically as it relates to that vision. [3:53:28, 3:53:33]: Right. We have a twenty-year vision under the comprehensive plan. That's a twenty-year document. [3:53:34, 3:53:37]: But guess what happens in twenty years? Twenty years ago [3:53:37, 3:53:39]: It was two thousand and four. [3:53:39, 3:53:41]: What happened in two thousand and eight? [3:53:42, 3:53:43]: Two thousand and ten. [3:53:44, 3:53:49]: Impacted that back half of that vision, right? Because we went into a recession. [3:53:50, 3:53:53]: People lost their jobs, their houses, their business. [3:53:53, 3:53:54]: Right. [3:53:54, 3:53:56]: And so what that plan envisioned. [3:53:57, 3:54:00]: Had to come had to come back and change because [3:54:00, 3:54:11]: In two thousand four when that was done, it never envisioned that that economic impact. So yes. So but let me just say this also, but one thing I've learned over the years [3:54:12, 3:54:14]: When you look at the goalposts. [3:54:16, 3:54:18]: The goalpost is not stationary. [3:54:20, 3:54:24]: Every time you turn your head and you look back at the goalpost. [3:54:24, 3:54:27]: The goalpost has moved. [3:54:28, 3:54:32]: So we have to move with that. We have to adjust every day. [3:54:32, 3:54:34]: In order to do that. [3:54:34, 3:54:41]: But we have to be about doing that. Yes, sir. And so if you don't mind, uh [3:54:41, 3:54:46]: My treasurer back there. I I came to see him one day but he was busy, so [3:54:46, 3:54:49]: Uh and ten and the reason I say this because [3:54:50, 3:54:52]: Whatever this council approved. [3:54:54, 3:54:56]: Staff has to carry that out. [3:54:56, 3:54:58]: And that's why it's important. [3:54:59, 3:55:03]: For our children, he just been here a week or so. [3:55:04, 3:55:10]: But you know, you have to hit the ground running. And seeing just like we mentioned to those gentlemen that was here earlier. [3:55:10, 3:55:15]: And I know some of us that been here for a while, we put a lot of work in [3:55:16, 3:55:32]: The land use planning, the strategic planning. Over these last ten years, you know, we have put a lot of work into that to try to create when you look at the land use, you see all these different colors. Yeah, of course some of that is gonna change, yes. [3:55:33, 3:55:35]: But it's important. [3:55:35, 3:55:38]: For us to do that because this is the framework. [3:55:39, 3:55:41]: that we're doing and so when we designate [3:55:42, 3:55:49]: the whole city when we designate the land use, we put a lot into that based on a vision. [3:55:49, 3:55:54]: Now yeah, that does change. But what gets me sometime when [3:55:54, 3:55:58]: We come up here every month and we're changing. [3:55:59, 3:56:03]: You know, uh is it necessary? But and maybe so. [3:56:04, 3:56:06]: And that's when I asked uh Mr. Anderson here. [3:56:06, 3:56:09]: So when are we going to look back at [3:56:10, 3:56:11]: The the document [3:56:12, 3:56:32]: To try to make changes based on the future of what we think is the future, what we project. But no one else ever crystal ball. We don't know what tomorrow is gonna be. Yes. But we have to do the best we can. Yes. But anyway, I know it's late and tonight is Monday night football. But uh our treasurer. I just want him just to [3:56:32, 3:56:37]: You know, because we're going to come let me just say this,'cause we're going to hold him accountable. [3:56:38, 3:56:40]: To carry out some of this stuff. [3:56:42, 3:56:44]: And so I just want him to get to accustom [3:56:46, 3:56:48]: Mr. Garney, so [3:56:48, 3:57:00]: I know you're in the line of fire all the time, Mr. Garner. So I just want him to get used to being in the line of fire. Yes, sir. Because uh, you know, when you come. [3:57:00, 3:57:10]: It's it's the nature of the beast. Yes sir. Because hey, cause we're about trying to get this thing right. And that's why we're the envy. We're the envy of George Stockbridge. [3:57:11, 3:57:14]: We're the envy because of what? Because we work. [3:57:15, 3:57:18]: These folks up here we're dedicated to get it done. [3:57:18, 3:57:22]: So when we you know we got a new uh teammate. [3:57:23, 3:57:29]: So get in the line of fire and uh you know, my grandmama say, step up, be a man, take your little spanking. [3:57:30, 3:57:50]: Go here, sir. So the budget is a promise that you are promising the citizen this is what we are going to do. Strategic planning is the one that you make in 20 years, as he has said, in 20 years, 10 years. But in local government, that 10 years is done yearly. [3:57:50, 3:58:06]: And even you say five years capital project is not done five years, you see you adjust year after year, because we can only fund one year. So this is a promise. But you are having a living document. [3:58:06, 3:58:26]: What you have approved, you are approving today, or you are going to approve it, adopt it on the seventeenth, we have budget amendments. Amendments are done, you have more revenues as you projected, you have to make amendments. Or expenses are more than revenue, you have to make amendments. [3:58:26, 3:58:35]: Things that you have done or that we planned from August, went to the retreat up to now may change in two years, three years. [3:58:35, 3:58:38]: А пріоритети з меч. [3:58:38, 3:58:41]: So what we may not do. [3:58:42, 3:58:47]: On the seventeenth when I adopt the budget, we can always do that in January, February until. [3:58:47, 3:59:07]: Remember it's an ongoing. We finish as we are with it. We will start another budget for 2026. So planning is the most important thing and that is to be accomplished with the promise that you make through the budget. This is what we are going to do for you the citizen. [3:59:12, 3:59:13]: The one you may have loves walk you. [3:59:15, 3:59:16]: Thank you, sir. [3:59:16, 3:59:18]: Miss Ms. Gett. [3:59:18, 3:59:26]: Thank you. Um in regards to the I saw some of the questions that Councilman Thomas had and that they're your response. Uh [3:59:26, 3:59:32]: I'd would like to take under advisement what our new financial director. [3:59:32, 3:59:52]: opinion is of open.gov and and whether or not it reads with our ENCODE system and all the other platform stuff and and the pros and cons of that. And so I I would, you know, after and the reason I say that is because um um I can't discuss executive session, but w we [3:59:52, 4:00:12]: Did an interview process. We talked a little bit more so about different platforms and the challenges of different platforms. So I will like to take his advisement on whether or not that is something that's gonna be beneficial to us or whether or not it could it gives us a headache. And that's something I'm just pointing out based off [4:00:12, 4:00:22]: off of what I read and some of the questions that Councilman Thomas um had produced. Also in regards to um [4:00:24, 4:00:40]: The budget there I look forward to hearing more about the n, you know, the the name changes of different positions and titles. Um that is something that definitely I'm looking into more. So um [4:00:40, 4:00:48]: And and so I'm gonna add I I too would like to know detailed information in that regard. And [4:00:49, 4:00:54]: Um we mention and talk Councilman Alexander, even though it's not really [4:00:55, 4:01:04]: A part of the budget, and we talked about grants. Um, and this is just some information for mayor and council to discuss and think about in the future as well. [4:01:04, 4:01:12]: Um what I'm seeing and what I'm gonna suggest, and it really doesn't have anything to do with the budget, but we talked about this already. It sounds like [4:01:13, 4:01:13]: Um [4:01:14, 4:01:34]: We need to maybe get with Miss Valerie Ross a little bit more and get our codes, our get everything all the way up to date instead of having all those e extra conditions and some other things that we might need to take into consideration. I'm thinking that that that is something that we need to [4:01:34, 4:01:54]: um go into detail with. And I think she can also give us some better ideas of whether we do a study on how many storage facilities we need, how many this we need, and so that we can have a better picture of the needs of our community in the future. And we can both [4:01:54, 4:01:55]: budget accordingly. [4:01:56, 4:02:16]: Um, not just on a comprehensive plan scale, but just like we want to we do studies of shopping centers and everything else, I think that it'd be feasible for us to see what those kind of so not so desirables would be and where the perfect locations for them would be. Um [4:02:16, 4:02:36]: in general and what they should look like. And from my understanding, um in the real estate world, Valerie Ross is a woman to be able to do that and put a packet together for us for that. So those challenges that we have and the long-winded the conversations that we have up here, we can streamline and make real nice and neat. And I think we should utilize her a little bit more for [4:02:36, 4:02:48]: for that purpose. And and lastly, um we also need and so that's something that I would like for us to think about and include. [4:02:48, 4:02:53]: um in our budget. And I also would like to see um [4:02:53, 4:03:08]: uh you know, we deal with legal a lot. I would like to see uh itemization on that, if you can bring that to m and show me their billing for this year monthly. Um and I do [4:03:14, 4:03:19]: It was one more and I can't find it. Um [4:03:20, 4:03:27]: As of now, I th I think that's it. But I really want to take into account I know you're new. [4:03:27, 4:03:27]: Um [4:03:28, 4:03:30]: But I I want to take into account [4:03:31, 4:03:32]: Um [4:03:32, 4:03:41]: our financial director position on that, on on where we're headed with this and and what we can do to streamline. And that's it. [4:03:42, 4:03:43]: Mr. Alzheimer's going, please. [4:03:44, 4:04:04]: Yes, I I wanted to just add uh briefly, ms Councilman Thomas and I certainly have had a discussion that needs to be reflected in the budget about the code enforcement actually moving away from the police department to um community development or its own [4:04:04, 4:04:19]: department such as because you know effectiveness is everything and effectiveness to us means results and those results need to be the community development approves the project. [4:04:20, 4:04:40]: The code enforcement goes out to check to see whether or not they those processes have been adhered to. They interpret the code and whether the person works directly for them. There needs to be better coordination between the two. And right now we just understand the police department should be focused on [4:04:40, 4:05:00]: Crime. They should be focused on crime and they should be focused on uh you know, making sure that they are maximizing those opportunities. And I don't know, it's just been in my past that they they don't look at these violations as saying they're looking for criminal violations. [4:04:59, 4:05:05]: [14705.0, 14725.0]: I am in full support of moving the code enforcement to uh community development or another or their own several department with a director or a senior person who is over that department and that they are to go to the field, not just sit in the office. [4:05:25, 4:05:35]: they work in the field and that they report on results that they are rech achieving because again and again similar items keep being repeated. [4:05:36, 4:05:49]: And just not receiving the results that I would like to see uh on that side. So I certainly want to see um something change uh into that effect. Um also see. [4:05:55, 4:05:59]: I understand in the last couple of years, especially with the election that we saw. [4:05:59, 4:06:19]: Inflation has been a big topic. It's gonna cost more money. So certainly we'd have to look at what we're doing in terms of making sure that we're being as expensive responsible as possible with the dollars that we have. But fortunately for us, we've seen a lot of economic growth that's been able to grow the pie. [4:06:19, 4:06:39]: So we've been able to keep up with a lot of the growths that have been taking place. But um let us make sure that we're focused on uh maximizing uh in each department uh everything that uh that we can and ensuring that we're getting maximum productivity while balance. [4:06:39, 4:06:59]: Seeing. I see that we have a four percent increase, right, for us uh our employees because we do understand that inflation is very relevant in what we're doing. And certainly we did set the minimum wage at fifteen dollars an hour. And I think we might even have to revisit that at some point. [4:06:59, 4:07:09]: because what has really happened is these costs have really gone up and we want to make sure that we're doing everything possible to be a an attractive uh [4:07:10, 4:07:13]: employer uh in the community. Thank you. [4:07:13, 4:07:15]: All right, any other comments? Quite Ms. Bloodman? [4:07:17, 4:07:22]: Mr. Gardner. Yes sir. Um so the events budget. Yes, ma'am. [4:07:23, 4:07:40]: I like to see that reduced even more. Um along with the amphitheater budget. I prefer that stay at the two million. Um I do have a question though, this on the third page of the budget. [4:07:40, 4:07:44]: Looking at the twenty twenty three actuals [4:07:45, 4:07:49]: versus what we adopted in twenty twenty four. [4:07:50, 4:07:53]: Looking at the line for intergovernmental revenue. [4:07:55, 4:07:56]: The actual [4:07:56, 4:07:58]: For twenty twenty three. [4:07:59, 4:08:01]: Shells a million two hundred and twelve. [4:08:01, 4:08:02]: Thousand. [4:08:03, 4:08:04]: I don't know what was budgeted. [4:08:05, 4:08:08]: But looking at what was adopted for twenty twenty four. [4:08:08, 4:08:10]: shows two hundred and twenty eight thousand. [4:08:11, 4:08:13]: There seems to be some discrepancy. [4:08:14, 4:08:18]: And I need to know what the actual was for twenty twenty four. [4:08:19, 4:08:25]: All right. So y you wanna know what the budgeted amount for for twenty twenty three was? [4:08:25, 4:08:28]: Or the actual for twenty twenty four, where we are today. [4:08:30, 4:08:31]: I wanna know. [4:08:31, 4:08:33]: What was the budget? [4:08:34, 4:08:38]: For intergovernmental revenue in twenty twenty three. [4:08:39, 4:08:44]: And I wanna know what the actual was for twenty twenty four. Okay. [4:08:45, 4:08:51]: No problem. I could change the chart and put that in for you. And the same with the line miscellaneous revenue. Yep. [4:08:52, 4:08:54]: For the twenty [4:08:54, 4:09:02]: What I'll do is I'll put I'll put those for each one of those headings so they get to see each each one of those items. I'll change that and and put those in for each one of those so you'll be able to see. [4:09:03, 4:09:08]: that what you're requesting for each for each taxation, for each one of those items, I'll do that for all of them. [4:09:08, 4:09:21]: Thank you. It just looks like a Yes, ma'am. You see what the actual looks like for twenty twenty three? A million dollars, but what we adopted in twenty twenty four is only a couple of hundred thousand. So I don't know. [4:09:22, 4:09:28]: I don't know what to think of that. No problem. I'll explain. Okay, same with the miscellaneous revenue. I'll reflect it. [4:09:28, 4:09:29]: That four million? [4:09:30, 4:09:36]: What was actually spent, but then what we adopted was two hundred and forty four thousand. [4:09:37, 4:09:45]: So those kinds of disc discrepancies kind of throw me off and that just jumped out at me. Um the other thing [4:09:46, 4:09:47]: The [4:09:47, 4:09:53]: management analyst position, that wasn't a position that was discussed during the retreat. [4:09:53, 4:09:54]: Um [4:09:55, 4:09:56]: We didn't discuss. [4:09:56, 4:09:58]: uh re classing [4:09:58, 4:10:00]: A management analyst physician. [4:10:01, 4:10:04]: To a manager of innovation, is that what that is? Yeah. [4:10:05, 4:10:07]: That's a five step pay grade. [4:10:07, 4:10:27]: We won't go all the way to the top of that pay grade, without a doubt. Um and so as I think Councilmember um Thomas said, I what we'll do is explain what what's going on with each where we're reclassing our new positions. We'll m address that with explanations for you guys. Thank you, sir. You're welcome. [4:10:27, 4:10:28]: That was all. [4:10:29, 4:10:30]: Any other comments from the council? [4:10:31, 4:10:51]: Just echoing the same things have been stated earlier. I don't want to kind of beat the dead horse, but uh revising again those position changes and stuff like that, trying to get clarification on that. And then as as well as uh some of the uh things that we discussed as a budget treat and trying to bain maintain the consistency across [4:10:51, 4:11:10]: what we see at at at the end of the year when we're ready to approve it. And so, yeah, that's that's what I wanted to add. Thank you. Okay, so December seventeenth, Tuesday, December seventeenth, third reading and eventual adoption of the FY twenty twenty five Okay. All right. And we'll we'll make all those adjustments and highlight where we made them. So y'all see them. [4:11:11, 4:11:31]: Okay, we're now going to new business. Uh de-annexation case DX two zero two four-zero three for manually subdivision phase three. Consideration of an ordinance to de-annex from the corporate limits of the city of Stockbridge. Nine parcels within the manually subdivision representing phase three. Request was made by the owners of nine parcels which would become part of the unincorporated Henry County. [4:11:30, 4:11:32]: Mr. Anderson, please. [4:11:35, 4:11:55]: And by the way, Ms. Anderson, in this in this process for uh phase three and phase four, in the previous uh discussions, we knew exactly what addresses these were all involved. It doesn't have that at least I don't see them in here. Maybe my maybe I'm maybe I'm blind here today. But we need to talk about what address we're talking about to make sure it's uh rock is [4:11:55, 4:11:58]: continuity and they're all connected. [4:11:58, 4:11:59]: Yeah, yeah [4:12:01, 4:12:05]: Yeah, I'm just gonna keep oh you got a presentation on it. [4:12:05, 4:12:09]: Especially the air to the middle of the kind of water. [4:12:09, 4:12:11]: I went to the house. [4:12:13, 4:12:13]: Thanks. [4:12:14, 4:12:16]: May come back to this later. [4:12:16, 4:12:18]: But I just wanna give him a picture of it. [4:12:22, 4:12:31]: So yeah. Yes, ma'am. Okay, no, okay, so ahead, please. [4:12:39, 4:12:40]: You alright? [4:12:45, 4:12:46]: But it's too late then. [4:12:47, 4:12:50]: I'm saying it's good if you find it. [4:12:54, 4:13:05]: Okay, here's the uh nine properties that that that are a part of phase three and they're and their addresses. Okay. On the screen. If you can't see it I can uh make it larger. [4:13:06, 4:13:10]: No, I can't see it. You can't see it. I mean obviously it was kinda small. Very small. [4:13:13, 4:13:14]: Oh I can say. [4:13:14, 4:13:17]: Not very small, okay. Wait a minute. [4:13:21, 4:13:40]: So this this is on letterhead. Yes. Yes, sir. Okay. So this is phase three, nine properties in phase three. I'm assuming you had a chance to to look at these all on the map themselves and where are located on oh it looks okay. There we go. [4:13:40, 4:13:42]: Oh yeah, I'm gonna do that. Oh [4:13:47, 4:13:51]: Yes, sir. Put it on slideshow for me uh [4:13:51, 4:13:53]: All right. [4:13:54, 4:14:14]: It'd be good uh for this in uh phase three and phase four to at least get a Okay. I mean I'd like to get a copy of this actually. I think it'd be beneficial. Uh'cause it's not in the package, but I'll I'll s we'll send it to you. All right, appreciate it. Tire council needs to receive that, so at least I have it. Yeah, th these are the nine and uh nine properties in uh phase three. [4:14:14, 4:14:21]: presentation I think phase four. Mm-hmm. And that should be the last of uh properties in the subposition. Okay. You better [4:14:23, 4:14:28]: Great. You got more computer skills than me, man. [4:14:29, 4:14:49]: So this guy wants me to read them into the record or you can see that. Yeah, yeah, go ahead and do that, sir. You got 220 Jasper Drive, 230 Jasper Drive, 240 Jasper Drive, 255 Jasper Drive, 224 White Sand Drive. I mean White Sand Bay Drive, 230 White Sand Bay Drive, 231 J. [4:14:49, 4:15:00]: White Sand Bay Drive, 241 White Sand Bay Drive, and 251 White Sand Bay Drive. This is phase three. Okay. Nine properties. [4:15:00, 4:15:02]: All right, Mr. Alexander, you have something, sir? [4:15:03, 4:15:10]: This is all of the properties in the subdivision or are there more properties? Uh, I'm thinking phase three and phase four is the end of it. [4:15:10, 4:15:16]: So it's every last one of the properties? We just did what? [4:15:20, 4:15:40]: We didn't do anything, sir. They choose to want to be able to do that. Did you send them something? I think that meeting was held and explained and did you send them something? I think there was a meeting that was done correct can I [4:15:40, 4:15:50]: Can I speak to that? Yeah. Yeah. So there was a meeting I think held by the district council person with those folks over there and that was highlighted and explained. [4:15:50, 4:15:51]: And so you know [4:15:52, 4:15:53]: Let me say this. I mean [4:15:54, 4:15:56]: They have a right. If they choose to want to go, go. [4:15:57, 4:16:00]: Амінвиканти до дело. [4:16:01, 4:16:02]: Right. Um [4:16:02, 4:16:17]: Overall, do I think it would have been beneficial for them? I think it was highlighted to those homeowners that you actually was getting a tax savings. You were also gonna be able to get an additional tax savings with homestead exemption and they still chose to leave. [4:16:17, 4:16:21]: Right. Um, I'll tell you a little bit more history offline, but [4:16:23, 4:16:27]: I mean, they made the choice to want to be outside the city, that's fine. I mean [4:16:27, 4:16:29]: Dit it's not gonna change the address. [4:16:30, 4:16:32]: They're gonna be one oh five, something. [4:16:32, 4:16:33]: Stockbridge, Georgia. [4:16:34, 4:16:38]: Whether they unincorporate or unincorporated, they can't change that height of it. [4:16:41, 4:16:55]: Homes in there. There was a total of sixty seven. Sixty seven. Sixty seven homes. So all sixty-seven have come before us. Yes, sir. And and so when they started this process, I I think I sat down with the mayor and I mapped out exactly how they were gonna do it. Right, you did sir. [4:16:56, 4:16:57]: Right? Based on the law. [4:16:58, 4:17:01]: Which parcels was gonna come in and win? Because [4:17:01, 4:17:04]: It was quite apparent that this was gonna happen. [4:17:04, 4:17:05]: Right. Um [4:17:06, 4:17:09]: The one thing that I wasn't gonna do, not a dare at the end, [4:17:10, 4:17:14]: was asked for y'all to D annexed the whole subdivision. I was just gonna let'em work for it. [4:17:15, 4:17:35]: I I I I'm just I just I just have a problem with uh i that's what I'm saying. If there's six how many homes have already been deannexed? Is sixty seven homes already been de annexed? When this when with the disapproval I think tonight? I think that's the that'll be that's gonna be already. Does somebody know? Does somebody verify [4:17:35, 4:17:40]: Yeah, bro, right? You got a gentleman right here who can answer that question. Yeah. Yeah. [4:17:44, 4:17:50]: Yeah. The law requires initially you do ten. Again, did it add up to sixty seven? Not right now. [4:17:51, 4:18:11]: So right, so it's not the end. So I that's what I'm saying. I want the information right. I don't want it to be I thought it was. I want the exact one. I can't I do not believe for a second that somebody would have told sixty-seven people that you could save money by staying in the city and all 67 would leave. They're only getting one side. [4:18:11, 4:18:25]: of the story. It's pretty clear. I can find, I could go there and find one person that say, listen, are you kidding all the discussions we've been having about taxes and everybody all upset about taxes, I'm gonna vote to raise my own taxes? [4:18:26, 4:18:33]: That's a hard discussion for me to sit here and be like, sixty-seven people are gonna decide, oh, I'm gonna vote for a tax increase. [4:18:33, 4:18:53]: So the HOA president is here up mayor if he doesn't mind. I think they only get one side of the story. I think they get one side of the story and that's what it is. They need to get the other side of the story. It's not a public hearing. So it'll it's not a public hearing. Okay, got it. No, it's not, but does that mean that we can't let him come up and speak? [4:18:53, 4:19:02]: Speak about this de annexation if he's here. [4:19:03, 4:19:10]: To DNA. You don't need him to tell you that. They shouldn't be able to tell us that. They don't know. [4:19:10, 4:19:12]: Can we have a map with all the properties already out? [4:19:12, 4:19:14]: Yeah, it's like thirty nine. [4:19:14, 4:19:25]: So let me just say this. So here's the m here's the map w with all of Well, this is phase three, but it includes let me find a better map. [4:19:28, 4:19:30]: Phase one and phase two. [4:19:33, 4:19:40]: Let's phase four if you if you have if you have roughly ten ten parcels. It's it's approximately forty altogether. [4:19:40, 4:19:42]: So that means you've got twenty seven left. [4:19:43, 4:19:43]: Yes. [4:19:44, 4:19:53]: And if one person says, Oh, I don't wanna do it, then it breaks the chain, right? But we haven't Oh no, that's that doesn't work like that doesn't work that way. We haven't had anything in a couple of months though. [4:19:53, 4:19:56]: What do you mean? We have about half left. [4:19:56, 4:20:16]: But they have to tuck they have to be touching the city limits, right? No, no, the count I mean they have to not to be t they have to be consecutive, right? So contiguous. So if one person in that s in that puzzle says, I don't I I don't want my taxes raised, then you can't jump over them. [4:20:17, 4:20:19]: It depends on where to locate it. [4:20:19, 4:20:31]: Can't jump up. But they've been contiguous, one up like a puzzle pieces. So if one person would have came out early on, we wouldn't be at this person. But let Mr. Garner explain, sir. [4:20:31, 4:20:37]: Understood. And I understand where you're coming from, Mr Alexander, but I also want you to see the other side of that equation, right? [4:20:38, 4:20:40]: So you are people who want to di annex into the city. [4:20:41, 4:20:45]: Right. The county specifically said, Well, okay, we oppose that annexation, but at the end [4:20:46, 4:20:49]: They don't submit any documentation to hip to DCA. [4:20:50, 4:20:55]: And after the forty five days we vote, we annexed them in because they chose to want to come into the city. [4:20:55, 4:20:56]: Right. In this case [4:20:57, 4:20:59]: You are folks who are making a decision. [4:20:59, 4:21:00]: However they doing it. [4:21:01, 4:21:02]: To want to go out. [4:21:03, 4:21:04]: Right. And [4:21:05, 4:21:08]: You know, I don't know if it's our role. [4:21:08, 4:21:11]: To say we gotta persuade these folks to stay in. [4:21:12, 4:21:14]: No, no, no, no, no, no. Let me stop you right there. [4:21:15, 4:21:35]: We do not advocate. We go out and give educational forums, just like we did during the City of Eagles Landing debate, where they get to see the pros and the cons of what it is. They give full presentation and then we actually send out information on a card saying, Do you do [4:21:35, 4:21:47]: you understand that this is the Stockbridge tax rate and do you understand this is the Henry County tax rate? We just wanna make sure you are fully aware what you're doing. Right. And so [4:21:48, 4:21:53]: Every homeowner on this list that has come before you [4:21:55, 4:21:58]: And I'm gonna put it I'm gonna put it like this, sir. [4:21:59, 4:22:01]: Every b homeowner in that subdivision is an adult. [4:22:02, 4:22:02]: Mm-hmm. [4:22:03, 4:22:04]: Де кін мейка. [4:22:06, 4:22:08]: Right. And if they want to get information. [4:22:09, 4:22:10]: It's an easy call. [4:22:11, 4:22:15]: An easy drive to say, Hey, community development Stockbridge. [4:22:17, 4:22:25]: Boy, if we'd a did that for City of Eagles Landing, we might be broken by now. Well, s no, not that and I think you you you're comparing apples to to to cabbage. [4:22:26, 4:22:27]: Right. I mean [4:22:27, 4:22:32]: At the at the end, and not to be and I'm I'm not being confrontational. I I just want [4:22:33, 4:22:33]: You know [4:22:34, 4:22:39]: I'm I'm pro government, but at at some point I think every citizen has that free right. [4:22:40, 4:22:42]: On how far we go as a government, right? And if they feel [4:22:43, 4:22:44]: Certain way that's fine. But [4:22:45, 4:22:47]: What I'm saying is they [4:22:47, 4:23:07]: Each one of those homeowners had a choice to come in contact it in to be a part of this or not to be a part of it. And if they needed information, yes, okay, we can send information out, but at the same time they could come in and ask for information to make an informed decision. That's what I do. I haven't seen any of them. I haven't seen any of the things. But I'm saying is they they have a choice. [4:23:07, 4:23:26]: are there? I haven't seen any of them. I don't see the rest of them. I see one. But they they we can't leave they they have to form a petition by law, put their name on it, sign that they want to be annexed, and that's what they've done. And they so they're speaking through through this process. [4:23:28, 4:23:28]: All right. [4:23:29, 4:23:48]: All right anyway, so we got we have uh we got oh you you your hands up there, m Ms. I did I did. I was wasn't finished with my question. I I really I know this is not a public hearing. Right. But I I just wanna it sounds like the HOA seems I think the HOA president was telling me that this would make it half of the homes. Is that correct? [4:23:49, 4:24:08]: Okay. And so that means there's another half of the homes that have not deannexed. So we have phase this is what? Phase three and phase four. Phase three and phase four. So that's about twenty homes. We're additional homes. We're ma max out about forty. Right. There's sixty seven in the total community. Right. And so [4:24:09, 4:24:17]: Uh let me explain what has taken place. I went into the neighborhood and knocked on some of the doors. No, I did not have a [4:24:17, 4:24:18]: Um I spoke to [4:24:19, 4:24:21]: Um one of the officers within the community. [4:24:22, 4:24:39]: And I actually knocked on the doors on several residents. I met with some of them. I sat in their homes and talked to some of them. I showed them the tax rate difference on some, not all, of the community. And they still [4:24:39, 4:24:43]: Th some those people opted to [4:24:43, 4:24:45]: D NX. There were a few. [4:24:46, 4:24:47]: Who had questions? [4:24:48, 4:24:51]: And I produced the document showing them. [4:24:52, 4:24:54]: the difference in the tax rate. [4:24:55, 4:24:57]: But they still didn't come to the meeting. [4:24:58, 4:25:00]: And they did not object. [4:25:00, 4:25:11]: Right. Even though they were curious as to that um one person had a complaint about the trash, whether or not they I mean I I got a complaint or two about [4:25:11, 4:25:16]: trash pick up t w whether debris needs to be in a box or not or [4:25:16, 4:25:20]: where the location needs to be and if it's not quite clear and stuff like that. [4:25:20, 4:25:22]: But other than that. [4:25:22, 4:25:30]: Uh yeah, I had two that did that. Other than that, no one has come here. And you're right, I have not had a a a town hall. W well [4:25:31, 4:25:43]: Marnock Village is having one tomorrow. But I haven't had an an additional town hall. I can ask that staff send out just a letter. If they want to annex back in, they can. Um the other the others [4:25:44, 4:25:46]: So I will um ask that we [4:25:46, 4:25:55]: agreed to just send out a letter of notification on the facts for that particular area in the community. We had talked about that. [4:25:55, 4:26:02]: But um you know, just list the facts and and they you know, we can't advocate one way or another. [4:26:02, 4:26:22]: by law and so we just list the facts. But I did knock on doors. I I not just call because I I wanted to know and wanted to hear and and especially since they were just annexed then. And there is a law though uh that basically states and some of our sister cities have dealt with this as well, where [4:26:22, 4:26:42]: um the county had gotten the bright idea to try to de-annex certain locations. Um but you can't de-annex if people or the municipality relied on a particular area for bonding purposes. So a lot of the city, the majority is secured due to that. This happened to be a loophole because Bundy had our [4:26:42, 4:26:46]: already taken place prior to their their particular [4:26:46, 4:26:51]: um incident. Other than that, um de annexation would not have been [4:26:51, 4:27:00]: they wouldn't be eligible for it and and based off the location um of continuity. And so that stops some others. And and that way [4:27:00, 4:27:12]: we know that we can just relate the facts, um, go ahead and submit those documents to the entire community, even those that have been de-annexed, um, for the purpose of disclosure. [4:27:13, 4:27:15]: I support that. [4:27:15, 4:27:20]: And other than that, um, I've always stated that people have a right to [4:27:20, 4:27:25]: um, do what they want to do and they have chosen to D annex right now. [4:27:25, 4:27:27]: I would like to take the high road. [4:27:27, 4:27:29]: In allowing de annexation. [4:27:30, 4:27:31]: As compared to [4:27:31, 4:27:48]: us denying something knowing that it sh it would get approved and wasting the uh time of uh of it going and waiting forty five days and going up and someone wasting legal fees. Those are things and that has happened in the past. [4:27:49, 4:28:09]: from um the county and I don't agree with that process when people want to annex into the city and they know that there is not a valid you know uh that we sh they should just be allowed to annex. We're not gonna play those political games. And I've said that one time before. I think we should take the high road. So having said that I [4:28:09, 4:28:14]: I'd like to make a motion to approve the de-annexation of the properties that Mr. Anderson just listed. [4:28:15, 4:28:23]: Yeah, I will second that with you putting in the motion that we're gonna send out this information to everybody in the subdivision with the facts. [4:28:23, 4:28:36]: Yes. Well in in addition to that, we will also send out the information to the entire Manderley subdivision with the facts about our taxes and um the benefits of being in the city of Stockbridge. [4:28:36, 4:28:41]: Second. All right. Uh any further discussion? If not, um uh [4:28:41, 4:28:45]: Neither mo one motion has been made, so all all in favor? [4:28:46, 4:28:52]: Un announ decision, okay. And Ryan, this uh Mr Anson, this letter that you have in front of us, this was not part of a pack. [4:28:52, 4:28:53]: Packet. So [4:28:54, 4:29:03]: If you can give us a copy of that as well, all of us. Yes, sir. I'll send it to you. Yeah, this one and and probably have the same thing for the next uh next point coming up as well. So yes, ma'am. [4:29:05, 4:29:25]: No, it's just for 18. We we need to vote on 19. We need to vote on 19. That's only 18. Okay, de-annexation case DX two zero two four-zero four for manly subdivision phase four. Considerational ordinance to de-annex from the corporate limits of the city of Stockbridge. Nine parcels within the manly subdivision representing phase four. The request was made by the only [4:29:24, 4:29:29]: nine parcels which would become part of unincorporated Henry County. Mr. Ryan, please. [4:29:30, 4:29:30]: Okay. [4:29:32, 4:29:33]: So I'm [4:29:36, 4:29:38]: These are the um [4:29:40, 4:29:45]: Two, four, six, eight, nine for uh phase [4:29:47, 4:29:48]: Four. [4:29:50, 4:29:50]: Let me see. [4:29:51, 4:29:56]: Okay, could you read those uh addresses in record please?'Cause I sure the can't see. Okay. [4:30:10, 4:30:30]: Okay, so it's 115 Jasper Drive, 145 Jasper Drive, 150 Jasper Drive, 340 Kareet Drive, 350 Karit Drive, 360 Karit Drive, 370 Karit Drive, 615 Edgecomb Drive. [4:30:30, 4:30:32]: Drive six twenty-five edge comb drive. [4:30:36, 4:30:42]: All right, thank you, sir. If there are any not any questions and motion to accept this So moved. Is there a second? [4:30:43, 4:30:59]: I'm Mr. B Mr. Barrett's second then. All fair pleasing the K. All right, dynamic decision. Okay, thank you. Uh on that note, uh council of consideration approved the twenty twenty-three bad debt write-off in the amount of eleven thousand four hundred and twenty-eight dollars and sixty-one cents. Frank's back at us. [4:31:01, 4:31:21]: Good evening, Mayor and Council. Um bad debt means uh the chances of correcting uh the date is almost zero. So I wanted to give a background of uh how did we arrive to that amount of eleven thousand [4:31:21, 4:31:28]: four hundred and twenty eight. So in two thousand ninety three at twenty twenty three. [4:31:30, 4:31:31]: We had collected [4:31:36, 4:31:37]: Four [4:31:37, 4:31:43]: and seventeen four million and seventeen thousand one hundred and eighty one. [4:31:44, 4:31:46]: Out of that we corrected the [4:31:48, 4:31:56]: We had a bad debt and that was representation of ninety nine point nine nine seven percent. [4:31:57, 4:32:01]: Correction of ninety nine point nine nine. [4:32:03, 4:32:05]: percent of correction. [4:32:06, 4:32:09]: And then we had the eleven [4:32:10, 4:32:21]: thousand four hundred and twenty eight and sixty one cents that we did not collect, representing zero point zero zero three percent. [4:32:24, 4:32:44]: So when you think about eleven thousand, think about how much did we collect and what percentage it is. Now you may ask how did we arrive to have uh uh bad debt that it has almost zero percent of collecting. We have uh clients that the move [4:32:43, 4:32:45]: Yeah. [4:32:45, 4:32:49]: that we don't have even their contacts where they go. [4:32:49, 4:32:56]: And our collection company they have tried all means of collecting that. [4:32:57, 4:32:58]: It has not happened. [4:32:59, 4:33:01]: It does not mean that he [4:33:01, 4:33:05]: we may not collect some of these we may recover. [4:33:05, 4:33:09]: The time we recover will classify them as a [4:33:09, 4:33:17]: revenue, miscellaneous revenue, and we'll put back to the book of that time because twenty twenty-three is gone. [4:33:18, 4:33:30]: So the request is we to consider accepting that zero point zero zero three percent that we could not correct in twenty twenty three. [4:33:33, 4:33:36]: All right, thank you, sir. Any questions for Frank? Council? [4:33:37, 4:33:39]: Yeah, if not need a motion to accept this uh [4:33:40, 4:33:43]: Bad debt write off of twenty twenty three. So moved. Is there a second? [4:33:45, 4:33:48]: Mr. Bear from Ms. Gantton, Mr. Barrett. All in favor, please indicate. [4:33:48, 4:33:50]: Nancy Sisney. Okay, thank you, friend. Appreciate that. [4:33:53, 4:34:13]: All righty. Well what we have next, announcements, upcoming meetings and events. Upcoming meetings and announcements. Council meetings will be held in the City Council Chamber. Meeting dates, locations, and times are subject to change, or contact city hall offices at 770-389-7900 or visit the website of www.stopbridgeg8.org for updates. [4:34:13, 4:34:33]: Citywide Development Authority meeting second Tuesday of each month at City Hall, in the City Hall, the Levi meeting room on 6 p.m. December 10th. Downtown Development Authority meeting special date Tuesday, December 10th, the Downtown Connection Center, 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail. The Main Street Adviracy Board meeting on the second Friday [4:34:33, 4:34:53]: Beach month at 9 a.m. location downtown Connection Center 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail December 13th. City Council Work Session Meeting Special Date Tuesday, December 17th, 6 PM, City Hall Council Chambers. And that'll be our third reading and also our adoption of our 2025 budget. [4:34:53, 4:35:13]: Youth Council Advisory Committee meeting 6 30, third Tuesday of each month. The Levi Meeting Room City Hall December 17th. The Planning Commission meeting third Thursday of each month, 630 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers, December 19th. Youth Council meeting first Monday of each month, 6:30 p.m. City Hall, Levi Meeting Room, January 2nd. [4:35:13, 4:35:33]: The community zoning and information meeting Thursday, January 2nd, 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. City Hall, Council Chambers. Stockbridge Citizens Police Advisory Council meeting first Thursday of each month at 6:30 p.m. in Stockbridge Police Community Room 4545 North Henry Boulevard January 2nd. City Council meeting second Monday of each month, January 13th. [4:35:33, 4:35:53]: December 16th from 10 a.m. to noon at the city hall. Councilman Thomas is honoring veterans and continues to salute to y'all year long, all year long. Please send your pictures and veterans of their name and rank [4:35:53, 4:36:13]: Branch rank and years of service service there. Join Councilman Thomas so don't stop don't trash stop bridge initiatives centered around education, highlighting the causes and effects of littering and legal dumping. More information to follow on that. Please contact Rawls and Rawls who scheduled appointment to meet the mayor and or more information on council initiatives and events. [4:36:13, 4:36:33]: Three eight three three three three four eight or by way of email ralls at stopbridge G A dot O R G. And okay. And my other comments are, ladies and gentlemen, is is December. We're in the winter months. Please uh keep your good health up. Take your flu shots, get your covert boosters. Our last official citywide [4:36:32, 4:36:52]: I guess you say um event was this past Friday for our holiday festival and cle uh tree lighting a little nippy outside, but several thousand I think of several thousand people attended that. Well well attended event. We do have another event coming up this weekend, but it's for all our city vol volunteers. Actually, and that would be on the actually [4:36:52, 4:37:12]: On uh Sunday Saturday, the 14th, right? And that'll be for our volunteers at Merminus Conference Center. A special event and a special invite for those individuals. Congratulations to the Georgia Bulldogs for being the SEC champions and also getting a buy in the playoff system. And so uh there'll be uh buying that you become number [4:37:12, 4:37:26]: one uh team this year and see what happens in during uh uh playoffs with the uh with f college football. And uh obviously if you lose three games or more you shouldn't be in. So anybody So hey hey [4:37:27, 4:37:32]: No no no not this year. Not this year, we'll not. [4:37:33, 4:37:37]: You know, but I have to admit I'm a Don Notre Dame fan though, but okay. [4:37:38, 4:37:53]: Uh so uh let's see what else we got. Oh yeah, uh what's uh good happening here. It seems though that we're gonna have another ribbon cutting grand opening at Bridge of Joteco. Whataburger? Yeah, I think that's scheduled for uh Monday the sixteenth at ten thirty. What you say, Mr. Alexander? [4:37:53, 4:37:54]: All right. [4:37:54, 4:38:14]: And we're gonna get an invite to a friends only event too. How about that? That's free. The whole community's actually. Check it out. So water burger, uh right now. Monday sixteenth, ten thirty PM. Come and get your good burger. We just moving right along with Bridget Jodico. A lot of things are happening, and we'll be having all next year as well. And on that note, I was oh [4:38:14, 4:38:27]: How can I forget? Merry Christmas. Happy holidays, everybody. And look forward to twenty twenty five being a very prosperous new year. On that note, there is no executive session. So uh council I need a motion to end our meeting. [4:38:27, 4:38:30]: Adjourned. So moved. From Ms. Gantt. Is there a second? [4:38:30, 4:38:32]: Second, uh Mr. Alzheimer's on fair, please indicate. [4:38:33, 4:38:45]: Great. So now those five to zero, the one person. Four four votes uh for that. Your hands up, okay. Four votes. God bless you. You got f oh you got five. [4:38:45, 4:38:50]: Four votes. Uh Miss uh Barber is not present. Okay. God bless you all. Good night. [4:39:00, 4:39:03]: Thanks for all the good guys. [4:39:05, 4:39:05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

--- title: Community Zoning Information Meeting date: 2024-12-04 source: 2024-12-04_Community_Zoning_Information_Meeting.wav --- [0:01:33, 0:01:43]: Good evening everyone. Welcome to the City of Stockbridge Community Zoning and Information Meeting. Tonight we have staff. [0:01:44, 0:01:49]: Our director is Ryan Anderson. He's the director over community development. [0:01:50, 0:01:55]: My name is Kedro Jackson. I'm the chief planner in the planning and zoning division. [0:01:55, 0:02:01]: We have Miss Linda Logan, who is the senior planner and the secretary to the planning commission. [0:02:01, 0:02:06]: As well as Gordon Linton, senior planner in planning and zoning. [0:02:07, 0:02:11]: Tonight we would like to go over rules and procedures for the meeting. [0:02:12, 0:02:32]: Um while the applicant is presenting, we ask that those of you in the audience to hold all comments or questions to the end of the presentation and then you will have a 101 session or session with the applicant to ask of any questions you may have. We ask that any comment [0:02:32, 0:02:45]: Will remain to yourself without blurting those out. If you have direct questions or need additional information, you may see a staff member such as Linda, Gordon, or myself. [0:02:46, 0:02:57]: So tonight we will have two cases before you. We have a rezoning case, case number RZ two zero two four-one one. [0:02:58, 0:03:01]: This is located in Council District Two. [0:03:01, 0:03:13]: The city of Stockbridge will hold three meetings in regards to this case. One will be the CZIM, which we are here tonight. The next meeting will be January 13th. [0:03:19, 0:03:28]: Another case we will hear tonight is the text amendment TS 2024-09. This is a citywide text amendment. [0:03:29, 0:03:30]: Um regarding [0:03:31, 0:03:37]: bed and breakfast. Um the staff is making some amendments to this ordinance. [0:03:37, 0:03:43]: And this ordinance will have supplemental regulations in regards to bed and breakfast. [0:03:43, 0:04:00]: So before we begin, we would like to go over the zoning process to explain how we get to this point. It first starts with an initial contact from the applicant. The applicant contacts staff for a pre-application meeting. [0:04:01, 0:04:10]: Um we go over the intention of the project as well as site plan, comments, code requirements, et cetera. [0:04:11, 0:04:17]: After the applicant submits the application, it is now moved to prepare. [0:04:17, 0:04:22]: the application for a board hearing and that preparation includes [0:04:23, 0:04:35]: Legal ads is including um additional information such as uh a water letter from Henry County Water Authority, also um deeds to the property, et cetera. [0:04:37, 0:04:46]: After that information is obtained, the application is now deemed complete and we begin the application for um [0:04:46, 0:04:55]: Research and that research can be site visits, having one-on-one meetings with the applicant to obtain additional information. [0:04:55, 0:04:56]: Et cetera. [0:04:57, 0:04:58]: The application is then [0:04:59, 0:05:10]: put on the agenda for the next planning commission meeting as well as city council and then before it goes to those two boards it comes here. [0:05:11, 0:05:28]: At this meeting, which is again the community zoning information meeting, the public has the right to ask of any questions to the applicant or staff. They may review site plans or any other pertinent documentation regarding the case. [0:05:28, 0:05:35]: So then after city council it is either voted as approved or denied. [0:05:35, 0:05:51]: um whichever decision the city council comes up with, the applicant is then sent a decision letter from staff and that's that's the end of the application process. [0:05:51, 0:05:55]: So tonight, as I read into record, we will hear um [0:05:56, 0:06:01]: A rezoning case RZ twenty twenty four regarding a PUD. [0:06:02, 0:06:03]: Plant unit development. [0:06:03, 0:06:05]: Master plan development. [0:06:05, 0:06:11]: So the applicant is r zoning from PUD to PUD to create a master plan development. [0:06:11, 0:06:17]: The intent is to adopt a master plan for the property to allow for the construction of a townhome development. [0:06:17, 0:06:37]: The applicant is Vista Residential Partners. The agent is Dennis J. Webb Jr. Esquire. The three parcels that are located, they're located in land lot 38 of District 12 as identified. And there are three parcels containing [0:06:37, 0:06:45]: 18.31 acres, and the parcels are zero three zero dash zero one zero zero. [0:06:46, 0:06:51]: two zero zero zero and that is also known as four fifteen flippin road. [0:06:52, 0:06:55]: Which contains thirteen point four three six acres. [0:06:56, 0:06:58]: And then there's parcel number [0:06:58, 0:07:18]: Zero three zero zero one zero zero two zero zero one which contains point eight eight six acres and the last parcel is zero three zero dash zero one zero zero two zero zero two which contains three point nine eight eight acres. [0:07:18, 0:07:21]: At this point I'll go ahead and [0:07:22, 0:07:31]: Allow the applicant to introduce or present his case before you and we'll open the floor to questions. [0:07:54, 0:08:03]: Okay. Oh thank you. Good evening. Uh my name's Alex Brock with Smith Gambrel Russell. I'm here on behalf of uh Din Webb, uh who is also with Smith Gambrel. [0:08:04, 0:08:06]: And uh I am [0:08:14, 0:08:19]: One moment. I'm trying to uh see if I can expand this, but it's not working. [0:08:32, 0:08:34]: Do you know how to get it to like just the page view? [0:08:36, 0:08:38]: Oh, slide joke, there you go. [0:08:44, 0:08:46]: There we go. Thank you. I appreciate that. [0:08:47, 0:09:07]: All right, uh to start over for those in the audience. My name's Alex Brock with Smith Cambrell Russell here on behalf of Din Webb. Um who's with Smith Cambrell and could not be here tonight. Uh we are the representatives of uh for Vista Residential Group, who's the applicant for this application. And uh as uh Kidra noted earlier, this is a rezoning from [0:09:07, 0:09:13]: PUD to PUD to attach a regulating plan or a master site plan to the development. [0:09:13, 0:09:14]: And [0:09:15, 0:09:32]: Before I get into the specifics of what we're proposing for the development, just want to go over kind of briefly what our application is, because it's not your typical rezoning. Uh what we are asking for is uh a rezoning to the same district just for the sole purpose of attaching the regulating plan. [0:09:35, 0:09:47]: This site is located on the east side of Flippin' Road, uh here at the Reeves Creek Trailhead. You can see the Reeves Creek uh trailhead bifurcates the uh the property to the north and the south. [0:09:48, 0:10:08]: Uh this property was rezoned in Henry County in 2019 to mixed use. Uh it was part of a master plan development. Uh at that time it was a let me flip over to it, a larger 100-acre plus master plan of multiple uh uh properties. You can see here our parcels are out. [0:10:08, 0:10:28]: outlined in red. That is what the subject of the discussion is tonight and of the application. This property, when it was rezoned in 2019, subsequent to that, it was annexed into the city of Stockbridge. When it was brought into the city of Stockbridge, the city adopted a zoning of PUD Plan Unit Development, which was [0:10:28, 0:10:48]: was the closest uh matching um zoning district to the Henry County's underlying uh or uh previous MU district. However, when that was brought in, uh a uh attached regulating plan or master site plan was not also adopted at that time. The PUD district [0:10:48, 0:10:54]: requires a the adoption of a master plan uh to regulate the development of the parcels. [0:10:55, 0:11:06]: uh under that zoning district. And since this does not have a attached master plan, uh what we are simply seeking is to uh attach the master plan. [0:11:07, 0:11:27]: And what we s what you see before you tonight is our proposal for 94 townhomes. Uh in 2019, when that overall plan was approved, uh there were uh consideration for 100 townhome units that were approved by Henry County at that time. Uh we have reduced the number of units uh and reconfigured the the [0:11:27, 0:11:33]: layout of the units uh a little bit more efficiently along the property. [0:11:34, 0:11:51]: Uh we are providing uh into basically three sections, one on or one on either side of Fairhaven Road, uh and then another one to the south here, uh south of the Reeves Creek uh trailhead property uh owned by the city of Stockbridge. [0:11:52, 0:12:02]: The developer Vista Residential was also the same applicant for the development to the west of Flippin' Road. However, that is a separate and distinct development from uh these parcels here. [0:12:03, 0:12:08]: Uh what we are only concerned with are the nine to four units that we're proposing on this plan. [0:12:08, 0:12:28]: We are proposing uh sidewalk connections along uh Flippin' Road to the Reeves Creek Trailhead to provide access for the residents to the trail, uh, to use that as an amenity. We believe that's a a strong feature of the area uh in in welcome by the residents and will be well used by the the future residents. [0:12:28, 0:12:30]: Yeah. [0:12:31, 0:12:50]: We are also proposing stormwater ponds uh at each of the uh the pods. We are uh uh considering uh the inclusion of dog parks uh or other green areas uh in turning the the stormwater pond ponds into uh uh from surface ponds to underground detention. [0:12:51, 0:13:01]: Each unit, uh let me flip over to this is a conceptual elevation. Each unit will have two car garages. Uh they will be two stories. Uh [0:13:01, 0:13:03]: Approximately three bedrooms. Um [0:13:04, 0:13:15]: The elevations that you see here are uh conceptual in nature. It's to give a feel for the overall uh architectural uh intent of the [0:13:16, 0:13:32]: of the townhomes. The facade materials will comply with the city's uh requirements. However, the facades that you see on these elevations aren't necessarily the final facades. Those the materials may be adjusted uh as we get further along in the architectural design. [0:13:33, 0:13:50]: So again, just to reiterate, what we are asking for is not a uh rezoning to a new district or to a or to allow a new use. What we are uh asking for is the adoption of a master plan or uh regulating plan for the PUD zoning. [0:13:50, 0:13:54]: Similar to what was approved by Henry County in twenty nineteen. [0:13:55, 0:13:56]: So with that [0:13:56, 0:14:01]: uh I'll end my presentation and and open it up for any questions from the audience. [0:14:07, 0:14:11]: And if there are none, I'll turn it back over to [0:14:12, 0:14:13]: To planning staff. [0:14:20, 0:14:20]: Thank you. [0:14:31, 0:14:44]: Um, since we do not have any questions after this meeting, as stated before, this case will travel to the planning commission. That meeting will be held on December nineteenth, twenty twenty four. [0:14:44, 0:14:49]: In the city council chambers where we're meeting tonight at six thirty pm. [0:14:50, 0:14:54]: That board will make a recommendation of approval denial. [0:14:54, 0:15:14]: Um and then it will move to City Council. City Council will have the final vote on whether this case is approved or not. And that meeting will take place on January 13th, 2025, at 6 PM, also here in the City Council chambers. [0:15:14, 0:15:34]: We have of course the information to this case in our office. So feel free if you're watching to contact staff regarding any questions or if you would like to see the site plan for this case. And I have no further updates. [0:15:34, 0:15:48]: You can open the floor. Okay. There are no other updates. So on your screen are the dates I just previously stated. As you can see here, the Planning Commission and Mayor City Council and [0:15:49, 0:16:09]: Um there are some upcoming projects that we are working on. We are still in the process of making updates and amendments to our UDC, our Unified Development Code. And so look forward to those. And we hope to see you in the new year. So we thank you for working. [0:16:09, 0:16:11]: watching and joining us. Good night. [0:16:39, 0:16:59]: So, although this meeting is not quite over, we do have a test amendment that will be joining the previous case presented to you on December 19th. It is a test amendment regarding our our bed and breakfast. Um, this test amendment will involve some changes we're making um regarding that. [0:16:58, 0:17:10]: Existing ordinance. Right now, the ordinance does allow for bed and breakfast in the RR district by way of a special use permit. [0:17:11, 0:17:12]: That [0:17:12, 0:17:20]: Regulation will remain. However, there are some additional language that we are adding to that ordinance that includes um [0:17:21, 0:17:35]: Um it relates to properties that are existing um today in the city. Um we want to put a grandfather language in there that will allow um one to exist. However, there are some [0:17:35, 0:17:36]: Um [0:17:37, 0:17:49]: Nonconforming regulations that one will still have to follow in regards to non-con legal nonconforming uses. Um also additional information we're adding are [0:17:49, 0:18:09]: um gatherings on the property as well as um the type of uh development um for new bed and breakfasts. So it's not a huge change, just some to bring the code up to date to allow um mainly for those that are currently as [0:18:09, 0:18:29]: Existing as bed and breakfast. Of course, we will release the test amendment to the public on the 12th. So you will have the opportunity to review that test amendment. If one is watching and you have further questions, yes, please call staff and you can call me directly and I can provide you with [0:18:29, 0:18:33]: [1114.1, 1134.1]: And from there, um, as I stated, we are as a staff working on amendments to the code and we're also looking at bringing in new um ordinances or uh regulations to the code. Um we have many great developments that are taking place in the [0:18:54, 0:19:01]: city of Stockbridge. So we are looking forward to becoming a um diverse and well [0:19:02, 0:19:11]: um developed city. So we thank all of our residents, we thank all of our developers, and from that information we conclude the meeting. [0:19:12, 0:19:13]: Again, thank you.

--- title: Planning Commission date: 2024-11-21 source: 2024-11-21_Planning_Commission.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:03]: Okay, we have four members present, which is a quorum. [0:00:04, 0:00:05]: Thank you, Madam Secretary. [0:00:07, 0:00:10]: We're now pre prepare for the invocation. Please. [0:00:11, 0:00:27]: Uh please get in your respected prayer positions. Um God, thank you for allowing us to come into this presence to work on behalf of our community. Thank you for allowing us to come and do the work we get to serve. Um and we ask you to bless our families, bless our communities, and let's continue to do the work for our community. Amen. [0:00:28, 0:00:33]: Thank you, Mr. Williams. Let us stand for the pledge, please. [0:00:38, 0:00:50]: Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. [0:00:55, 0:00:55]: Thank you. [0:01:01, 0:01:12]: Board, you have before you an agenda for tonight's meeting. I'd like to call your attention to a few changes on the agenda before we adopt. [0:01:16, 0:01:18]: Item number [0:01:19, 0:01:21]: Six [0:01:23, 0:01:30]: Item number seven and item number eight has been withdrawn indefinitely. [0:01:33, 0:01:35]: Way off. [0:01:37, 0:01:40]: I've been defer before it for thirty days. [0:01:43, 0:01:44]: Um [0:01:45, 0:01:55]: You'll you'll need to the board will need to vote on the the deferral cases, but the two withdrawal cases are only numbers um [0:01:56, 0:01:58]: Numbers six and seven. [0:02:00, 0:02:02]: Thank you, Madam Secretary. [0:02:06, 0:02:08]: So I need a motion from the [0:02:10, 0:02:11]: Okay, also two [0:02:13, 0:02:19]: Defer a case ten, eleven and twelve for thirty days, please. [0:02:20, 0:02:26]: Chair. Yes, sir. I'll make a motion to defer cases ten, eleven, twelve until the December meeting. [0:02:27, 0:02:42]: Mr. Chairman, I'll second that. It's been moved and second, moved by Mr. Williams and second by Mr. Planchon. Excuse me, Chairman. Um you really need to read the cases into the record first so that the record shows which cases are being deferred. [0:02:43, 0:02:46]: All right, thank you so much, Madam Secretary. [0:02:50, 0:03:10]: Item number 10 is an annexation case AX 2024-02. It's a consideration of an act annexation request using 100% access annexation method to annex two parcels at 1778 and 1872. [0:03:10, 0:03:23]: Highway 42 North from unincorporated Henry County into the Stockbridge city limits to allow for this construction of a mixed residential development. [0:03:24, 0:03:28]: Which will contain both single family detached homes. [0:03:29, 0:03:49]: The owner is Rowan Properties LP. Applicant is Meritage Homes, Kev Clay Kirkland. Agent is Haley Todd PEC. The property is located in landlord 35 in District 7 and contains 48.59 acres. [0:03:49, 0:03:50]: Yeah. [0:03:51, 0:04:02]: Item eleven is the comprehensive plan amendment KCP twenty twenty four-zero nine for property to be located in Council District Five. [0:04:03, 0:04:23]: It's a consideration of a comprehensive plan amendment case request to assign the future land use designation to medium density residential to two parcels at 1778 and 1842 Highway North, Highway 42 North. [0:04:23, 0:04:24]: Yeah. [0:04:24, 0:04:44]: After their annexation into the city of Stockbridge from unincorporated Henry County to allow for the construction of a mixed-use residential development, which would contain both single family detached homes and town homes. Again, the owners rowing properties LP. [0:04:44, 0:05:02]: The applicant Meritage Homes care of Clay Kirkley. The agent is Haley Todd PEC. The property is located in Landlot 35 in District 7 and it contains 48.59 acres, more or less. [0:05:04, 0:05:14]: Item twelve is a rezoning case, RZ 2024-10 for property to be located in Council District 5. [0:05:15, 0:05:23]: So consideration of a rezoning request to assign the zoning district of PUD Plan Unit Development. [0:05:24, 0:05:32]: and the PMU Parkway Mixed Use Overlay District to two parcels at seventeen seventy eight [0:05:32, 0:05:35]: In eighteen seventy two, Highway forty two North. [0:05:36, 0:05:51]: After their annexation into the city of Stockbridge from unincorporated Heron County to allow for the construction of a mixed residential development which will contain both single-family detached homes and town homes. [0:05:52, 0:06:10]: Again, the owner's Royan Properties, LP, the applicant is Meredith Holmes, Care of Clay Kirkley, the agent is Todd Hadley. Hadley Todd, PEC. The property is located in Landlord thirty five District Seven and it contains forty eight point five nine acres more or less. [0:06:13, 0:06:21]: I need em I've had a a motion already and a second. I need to see a a vote f it's been moved in second. Okay. [0:06:22, 0:06:24]: All in favor, let it be known by a show of hands. [0:06:27, 0:06:28]: Yep. The motion passes. [0:06:37, 0:06:41]: Madam Secretary, are we clear now? Are we good? Thank you. [0:06:42, 0:06:53]: Well also do you have other cases to be deferred and you'll need to I'm sorry, I can't hear you. You have other cases to to be deferred need to be read into the record and a vote taken. [0:06:53, 0:06:56]: And then I'll after that I need to adopt the agenda. [0:06:59, 0:07:01]: Would you mind repeating that, Luna? [0:07:04, 0:07:11]: So we have other cases um in which the applicant is requested uh deferral. Um [0:07:12, 0:07:14]: You mean item number nine? [0:07:15, 0:07:16]: See. [0:07:20, 0:07:30]: The item on for Rock Rock Quarry Road. That's correct. Item number nine for Rock Quarry Road. You'll read that into the record and then take a vote on that. [0:07:31, 0:07:40]: Thank you. Item nine is a comprehensive plan amendment case CP twenty twenty four dash ten to be located in council district three. [0:07:41, 0:07:55]: Consideration of a comprehensive plan amendment for parcel zero three two dash zero one zero three zero zero one two on the west side of Rock Quarry Road across from hospital drive. [0:07:56, 0:08:00]: For the purpose of changing the property's land use designation. [0:08:01, 0:08:03]: From high density residential [0:08:03, 0:08:05]: To low density mix use. [0:08:06, 0:08:08]: To allow for the development of [0:08:08, 0:08:10]: Of the convenience store and gas station. [0:08:11, 0:08:14]: Applicant GMI two [0:08:14, 0:08:15]: Ink. [0:08:15, 0:08:21]: Agent is Harold Buckler Junior Esquire of the Law Firm of Wilson, Brock and Irby. [0:08:22, 0:08:31]: The property is located in landlot 13 of District 6, and it contains 4.26 acres more or less. [0:08:34, 0:08:37]: I need a motion please to defer this case. [0:08:38, 0:08:48]: Chairman. Yes, sir. I make a motion to defer and definitely comprehensive plan amendment case CP dash twenty twenty four dash ten, item number nine. [0:08:49, 0:08:50]: Is there a second? [0:08:51, 0:08:53]: Mr. Chair, would I second? [0:08:53, 0:09:01]: So moved and second. Moved by Mr. Williams, second by Mr. Mitten. That we defer case. [0:09:04, 0:09:10]: CP twenty twenty-four-ten indefinitely. All in favor, let it be known by the show of hands. [0:09:11, 0:09:14]: Aye. Any opposed? The eyes have it. [0:09:16, 0:09:18]: Cases for it. Thank you. [0:09:29, 0:09:29]: Okay. [0:09:46, 0:09:51]: Now I need a motion from the commission to approve the agenda, the modified agenda. [0:09:52, 0:09:56]: Mr. Chairman Dave Plancheton, I'd like to make a motion we approve the agenda for this evening. [0:09:57, 0:09:58]: Is there a second? [0:10:00, 0:10:01]: Mr. Chairman, I second. [0:10:02, 0:10:07]: been moved by Mr Planchon and second by Mr. Mitten that we approve the amended agenda. [0:10:08, 0:10:10]: All in favor, let it be known by a show of hands. [0:10:11, 0:10:11]: I [0:10:13, 0:10:14]: In a pulse. [0:10:18, 0:10:20]: Nice have it. [0:10:20, 0:10:22]: Their gender is adopted. [0:10:24, 0:10:27]: You have before you the minutes of [0:10:28, 0:10:30]: From our October seventeenth meeting. [0:10:31, 0:10:40]: You've not already done so, I would ask you to take a moment to peruse the minutes, make any necessary correction if there be any. [0:10:48, 0:10:51]: Hearing none, I need a motion for approval, please. [0:10:55, 0:11:01]: Mr. Chairman, Anthony Mitten makes a motion to approve the minutes from the October seventeenth meeting. [0:11:01, 0:11:05]: Is there a second? Mr. Chairman Dave Planchon seconds. [0:11:05, 0:11:08]: Been moved by Mr. Mitten, seconded by Mr. Planchon. [0:11:09, 0:11:12]: That we approve the minutes of the October seventeenth. [0:11:13, 0:11:16]: Plan a commission meeting. All in favor, let it be known by a show of hands. [0:11:17, 0:11:18]: Okay. [0:11:18, 0:11:19]: In our poles. [0:11:21, 0:11:23]: Eyes have it. The minister approved. [0:11:30, 0:11:35]: I'd like to welcome all of you to the City of Stockbridge Planning Commission meeting. [0:11:37, 0:11:40]: There are a few protocols that I need to make you aware of. [0:11:40, 0:11:42]: Before we start the meeting. [0:11:43, 0:11:44]: This is the public hearing. [0:11:45, 0:11:49]: Please l please listen closely on how tonight's meeting will be conducted. [0:11:52, 0:11:56]: I ask that you keep your comments and presentations on a professional level. [0:11:57, 0:12:01]: Dealing with facts that are important for this комісію to make its decision. [0:12:03, 0:12:11]: We will not accept comments that are considered by the chair to be a personal attack on an individual or in group of individuals. [0:12:12, 0:12:16]: W you will receive a warning from the chair if you deviate from this requirement. [0:12:18, 0:12:25]: A second deviation will result in you to leave the meeting and the premises for the evening. [0:12:27, 0:12:31]: I ask that you refrain from applause or comments from the audience. [0:12:33, 0:12:35]: Only one person will be talking at a time. [0:12:37, 0:12:43]: And all comments will be made at the podium after the speaker has been recognized by the chair. [0:12:45, 0:12:52]: Please direct all comments to the chair and the commission, not to the audience or the staff. [0:12:55, 0:12:57]: Please do not applaud or react to speakers. [0:13:00, 0:13:07]: Speak from the audience, cheer, or carry on the conversation with others in the audience. [0:13:08, 0:13:11]: Or disrupt the order of this meeting in any way. [0:13:15, 0:13:22]: Be aware that these hearings are not a debate or an opportun opportunity to ask questions. [0:13:23, 0:13:26]: which must be answered by any individual tonight. [0:13:26, 0:13:32]: But a merely an opportunity to opportunity to present information to the commission. [0:13:34, 0:13:38]: Other than the applicant, no person may speak more than once. [0:13:40, 0:13:44]: The applicant may reserve part of his speaking time as rebuttal. [0:13:45, 0:13:47]: I may speak next and last replied. [0:13:48, 0:13:53]: And may use the entire ten minutes allotted for pro side of the application. [0:13:55, 0:14:00]: Other than the applicant, no person may speak longer than five minutes. [0:14:03, 0:14:04]: If you have a cell phone. [0:14:05, 0:14:09]: or other electronic device. I ask that you either power them off [0:14:09, 0:14:11]: Or put them in asylum mode. [0:14:14, 0:14:17]: If anyone wishes to speak tonight, [0:14:18, 0:14:23]: Please fill out a speaker's form, which is available on the table up front. [0:14:23, 0:14:27]: And hand it to the staff emer before approaching the podium. [0:14:31, 0:14:33]: After each item or case is called [0:14:34, 0:14:42]: We will hear next from the city staff and then we will hear from the applicant or their representative. [0:14:42, 0:14:44]: about what their plans are for the property. [0:14:46, 0:14:50]: along with any other relevant in information which they wish to present. [0:14:53, 0:14:58]: The commission members will be free to ask questions at any time before the vote on a project. [0:15:00, 0:15:02]: Follerin' the applicant. [0:15:02, 0:15:06]: Anyone who wishes to speak for or against the project [0:15:06, 0:15:11]: or just to ask questions will have an opportunity to do so. [0:15:13, 0:15:16]: Each side is restricted to a maximum of ten minutes. [0:15:17, 0:15:21]: or time may be waived at the discretion of the presiding officer. [0:15:23, 0:15:27]: If questions are raised, we may ask the applicant to speak again. [0:15:30, 0:15:33]: Afterward we will call for a motion in a second. [0:15:34, 0:15:43]: Have the necessary discussion and if a matter is not tabled, we will vote to recommend the pro approval or denial of the application. [0:15:45, 0:15:47]: This commission is only a recommending body. [0:15:48, 0:15:54]: The item will be heard by the mayor and council, whether we approve or recommend it now. [0:15:55, 0:16:01]: Understate our table. The items will be heard by the mayor and city council at their meeting on [0:16:05, 0:16:07]: December fourteenth. [0:16:10, 0:16:13]: And the items will be voted upon at that meeting. [0:16:19, 0:16:21]: The first three items [0:16:22, 0:16:25]: Taying to the properties on Brush Creek Court. [0:16:27, 0:16:32]: They include a comprehensive plan amendment K C P twenty twenty four dash oh three. [0:16:34, 0:16:38]: A resoning case R Z twenty twenty four dash O three. [0:16:40, 0:16:44]: And a zoning modification case, ZM twenty twenty four dash zero one. [0:16:46, 0:16:57]: I will read all three cases into the record. After that, we will have a combined presentation from the staff and a combined public hearing for all three cases. [0:16:57, 0:17:00]: Then we will vote on each case separately. [0:17:05, 0:17:12]: For the comprehensive plan amendment case, CP twenty twenty-four-zero three for property located in Council District Two. [0:17:13, 0:17:32]: Consideration of a comprehensive plan amendment request to change the future land use designation of parcel S07-010-060-20 on the east side of Brush Creek Court. [0:17:33, 0:17:37]: from its current land use designation of low density mixed use [0:17:38, 0:17:40]: To medium density residential. [0:17:41, 0:17:43]: to allow for a town home development. [0:17:44, 0:17:56]: The applicant is Pivotal Enterprise LLC, Care of Battle Law PC. The property is located in Land Lot 59, District 12, and it contains 2.28 acres, more or less. [0:17:58, 0:18:05]: The resulting case RZ 2024-03 for property located in Council District 2. [0:18:06, 0:18:26]: Consideration of rezoning requests to rezone parcels S zero seven dash zero one zero dash zero six zero dash zero zero on the east side of Brush Brush Creek Court from C two General Commercial to MFR which is multifamily residential. [0:18:27, 0:18:41]: To allow for a town home development. The applicant is pivotal enterprises LLC, Kevin Battle Law PC. The property is located in Land Line 59, District 12, and it contains 2.28 acres more or less. [0:18:44, 0:18:48]: The zoning modification case ZM twenty twenty four-one. [0:18:49, 0:18:52]: Again for property located in Council District Two. [0:18:54, 0:18:58]: Consideration of a major zoning modification request. [0:18:59, 0:19:05]: For parcel S zero seven A zero one one zero zero zero zero zero. [0:19:07, 0:19:09]: On the west side of Brush Creek Court. [0:19:11, 0:19:13]: То проває форжис. [0:19:14, 0:19:16]: to a previously approved site plan. [0:19:17, 0:19:26]: Which was the subject of mo zoning modifications case ZM twenty twenty two dash zero one in the year of twenty twenty two. [0:19:27, 0:19:30]: By allowing the expansion of the site boundaries. [0:19:31, 0:19:33]: To include parcel [0:19:34, 0:19:45]: Number S zero seven dash zero one zero dash zero six zero dash zero zero on the east side of Brush Creek Commons. [0:19:45, 0:19:50]: which would be developed as phase two of existing town home development. [0:19:52, 0:19:56]: Again the applicant is pivotal enterprises LLC cannot care about a law. [0:19:57, 0:20:01]: PC, the property is located in landline fifty-nine, district twelve. [0:20:02, 0:20:06]: And it contains two point two eight acres more or less. [0:20:09, 0:20:10]: Mr. Linton, please. [0:20:11, 0:20:22]: Thank you, Chairman Dumas. Uh my name is Gordon Linton, senior planner for the city of Stockbridge, and I'm here to present the combined presentations for Brush Creek Commons Townhouse Townhouse. [0:20:26, 0:20:46]: This is the uh case for comprehensive plan CP twenty four oh three. As mentioned, the applicant is seeking a comprehensive plan amendment for parcel S zero seven dash zero one zero six thousand to change the land use designation from low density mixed use to medium density residential for the purpose of constructing [0:20:46, 0:21:06]: 20 townhomes and combined in phase one and phase two together on 2.28 acres. As mentioned, the applicant and owner is Pivotal Enterprise. The purse parcel is S0781111110, previously known as S0781811. [0:21:06, 0:21:26]: Which is prior to the creation of the 41 townhome lots. The number of acres for phase one of the parcel is 15.74 acres, of which the five point five five point four five nine acres lies within the floodplain. And phase two has [0:21:26, 0:21:32]: two point two eight acres combined their eighteen point zero eighteen point zero two acres. [0:21:35, 0:21:46]: The vi as far as the environmental conditions, phase one is very level and the floodplains and the wetlands are present at the rear property near Brus Creek. The townhome construction is underway. [0:21:46, 0:22:02]: As far as phase two, the parcel is very level, wooded and vacant, and the property access via a thirty foot access eastment of North Harry Boulevard to Brush Creek Cork. And as mentioned, the address is Brush Creek Cork, which is located off North Harry Boulevard. [0:22:06, 0:22:26]: The current zoning for phase one is MFR and phase two is C two. The surrounding zoning to the north is MHR and SR. To the south is C two, MFR, which is multifamily residential, and SR which is suburban residential. To the east is SR suburban residential. [0:22:26, 0:22:46]: And to the west is C3 and C2 districts. The feature land use designation for phase one is medium density residential. Phase two is a low density mixed use. The surrounding land use is to the north, you have two mobile home parks and metal range subdivision. To the south, you have commercial uses, which are quick. [0:22:46, 0:22:59]: trip and waffle house and in addition you also have an apartment community. To the east you have the Meadow Ridge subdivision and individual single family residences. And to the west you have commercial uses. [0:23:02, 0:23:13]: This map, which is shown here, is what phase one and phase two combine. And this is where my laser is. This is the com combined parcel. [0:23:23, 0:23:41]: This is the feature land use map for breast recommons phase one and phase two. The current land use of the property shows low density mixed use and is currently zone C two. And as mentioned, the applicant is seeking this change so that both properties will re reflect the equal land use. So this is phase one, which is shown with the pointer. [0:23:43, 0:23:45]: In the orange. And this is phase two. [0:23:47, 0:23:47]: Again, so [0:23:57, 0:24:01]: Overall, staff recommends approval for this comprehensive plan amendment. [0:24:09, 0:24:12]: The next presentation is for R Z twenty four oh three. [0:24:15, 0:24:35]: The purpose, as mentioned, is to rezone parcel S zero seven dash zero one zero six thousand on the east side of Rust Street Commons from C two to MFR to allow for a twenty unit time home development on two point two eight acres. In addition, the applicant also seeks to combine parcel S zero seven dash zero one zero zero. [0:24:35, 0:24:43]: Years 6000, phase two, with phase one, Brest Creek Court, which is currently under construction, which comprises of 41 townhomes. [0:24:46, 0:25:06]: The zoning history. The original the property was rezoned on July fourth, twenty July fourteenth, two thousand three, via RC three dash zero four from R two to RM two. The original developer installed brush three court but did not construct any buildings. The development agreement plus two amendments. The rezoning included a development agreement. [0:25:06, 0:25:26]: Agreement followed by two amendments, which included various development conditions and required certain amenities to be included within the development. The zoning modification case, which was ZM22-01, was approved by the Planning Commission on October 27, 2022, then was approved by the [0:25:26, 0:25:42]: approved by City Council on september fourteenth, twenty twenty two. The approved ordinance states that ZM twenty twenty two dash zero one represented a modification of the terms of RC three zero four to allow the applicant to make certain changes to the site plan and to the amenities. [0:25:50, 0:25:52]: And this is a brief synopsis of the zoning history. [0:26:05, 0:26:10]: And this is the surrounding land surrounded zoning land use, which was mentioned earlier. [0:26:18, 0:26:20]: And this is the boundary survey. [0:26:22, 0:26:30]: Which so which shows parcel one, the phase one, which is shown with the pointer, and lay and phase two, which is shown with a pointer. [0:26:40, 0:26:42]: This is the vicinity zoning map. [0:26:48, 0:26:55]: The goal in the subject which is the subject property zone MFR to the red is C three, orange is MHR. [0:26:57, 0:27:05]: The medium pink, which is C2, and the yellow, which is SR. And this is phase one, and this is phase two. [0:27:11, 0:27:18]: And this is the zoning map of the parcels. As mentioned, um phase one is MFR and phase two is C two. [0:27:25, 0:27:26]: This is the aerial photo of the site. [0:27:31, 0:27:34]: This is phase one and this is phase two. [0:27:44, 0:27:47]: And this is the boundary survey which shows the water and sewer lines. [0:27:56, 0:27:59]: And this is the boundary survey showing the storm sewers. [0:28:09, 0:28:17]: And this is phase one. This is the map. This is the proposed siphon, which shows the combined parcels together. This is phase one. [0:28:20, 0:28:26]: Which is currently under construction, which is currently underway. And this is phase two, which is what they're trying to add. [0:28:36, 0:28:40]: And this is a rendering of the proposed townhome development. [0:28:51, 0:29:11]: And this is the staff recommendations with approval and conditions. The following conditions sh shall apply to phase two abrusy commons. A phase two shall be developed in general conformity with the phase two site plans submitted to the planet stopbridge, planning and zoning staff Assember September [0:29:10, 0:29:17]: twenty twenty four and shall adhere to all City of Stockbridge MFR ordinance requirements. [0:29:18, 0:29:35]: Except if there is a conflict between the MFR requirements and the conditions set forth in the development agreement as amended from time to time, the conditions set forth in the development agreement shall control. The maximum building height shall be forty feet. [0:29:36, 0:29:56]: B. Maximum building height shall be forty feet. C. All townhouses shall have a mixture of front facade consisting of covered entryway, porches, bay windows, and our balconies. Garages shall be incentived with variations of design porticos. D. The old [0:29:56, 0:30:16]: Owners shall submit elevations of buildings to be approved by the city. E. Each unit elevation per building shall be separate and distinct from the other and shall include variations in roof lines which may be accomplished with the use of dormers, gables, and/or fireplaces. F. Each unit [0:30:16, 0:30:36]: Each unit shall have different bricks, stucco, and masonry theme from the other attached units. G, owner shall install streets trees along all streets to be placed between the sidewalk and the front property lines, have a minimum two and a half inch caliber, shall have a minimum. [0:30:36, 0:30:56]: 24 foot planting area and shall be spaced and average of 45 feet apart. The owner shall provide a list of a list of them trees to be provided and subject to modification by the city. A street H a streetscaping plan shall be submitted to the city of Stockbridge planning as [0:30:55, 0:31:06]: zoning staff for comments and approved by the city to include sidewalks, street trees, landscaping, street lighting, and street. [0:31:11, 0:31:12]: Street furniture. [0:31:13, 0:31:33]: I any floodplain alterations to be supported by a certified engineer at the plan review stage? J. The applicant shall submit to the city clerk and city attorney an updated description and plat certified by engineer or surveyor licensed in the state of Georgia of the property. Kind of [0:31:33, 0:31:37]: The maximum units per building shall be no more than six units [0:31:37, 0:31:38]: Per building. [0:31:39, 0:31:46]: L, the minimum distance between buildings shall be twenty feet. M, the minimum front yard setback shall be twenty feet. [0:31:48, 0:32:08]: And the minimum side yard setback shall be fifteen feet. O the minimum rear yard setback shall be twenty feet. And P the declaration of restrictive covenants for phase one shall be amended and modified to incorporate phase two, and the units in phase two shall have all of their same rights and privileges. [0:32:08, 0:32:12]: [1939.7, 1945.0]: The next case is zoning the zoning modification for ZM twenty four dash zero one. [0:32:29, 0:32:46]: The purpose of the zoning modification is to allow the expansion and combination of phase one and phase two. Phase one wants to incorporate the the future homeers of phase two into the HOA to allow the usage of the amenities and to reduce the HOA costs. [0:32:48, 0:32:50]: And this is a brief synopsis. [0:32:54, 0:33:14]: This is the boundary survey of phase one and phase two. A third amendment is required for the Brush Creek Commons phase one. It will need to be drafted by the city attorney. The purpose of the amendment will consist of the followings: Allow the inspection of the boundaries of the previously approved development for Brush Creek Commons to include parcel number S07. [0:33:14, 0:33:34]: To allow the increase in the number of townhome lots and units from the previously approved maximum units of 41 units to 61 units to accommodate 20 more townhome lots and units to be constructed on parcel number S07D. [0:33:34, 0:33:54]: Dash zero one zero zero six thousand. Three, to allow the approval of a new overall site plan to include a design for parcel S zero seven dash zero one zero zero six thousand. Four to allow the amenities which were previously approved for the phase one site plan to be used by the residents of the phase two site. [0:33:54, 0:34:10]: site and five to allow the HOA which serves the phase one site to also serve the phase two site. And six, to provide the exemptions for phase two site so that it will not be required to have its own separate amenities in HOA. [0:34:13, 0:34:17]: And this is the site data for the brush street comments. [0:34:26, 0:34:40]: And this is the list of approving zoning conditions per exhibit C from rezoning ordinance number zero thirteen fifty two um july fourteenth for the rezoning case for RZ0, which was originated from Henry County. [0:34:49, 0:35:09]: Uh let me read these to the record as well. Um the comprehensive plan amendment, the rezoning of parcel S07-0106000 for the proposal amendment of phase two shall not be approved unless comprehensive plan amendment case number RZ twenty-four oh three is first approved. The zoning [0:35:09, 0:35:29]: Modification Parcel S07-0106000 shall not be designated as phase two of the Brush Creek Commons Town Home Development and shall not be combined with parcel S07A0100 phase one until the zoning modification CM [0:35:29, 0:35:49]: twenty four zero one is approved. Three, compliance with original rezoning development agreement and amendments. If zoning modification case ZM twenty four-one is allowed is approved to allow phase two to be combined with phase one in an overall [0:35:49, 0:36:09]: Development for brush free commons, then the developer shall a comply with the requirements of the approved rezoning case RZ03-04 via rezoning RZ03152 development agreement. The first amendment to the development agreement, which was dated December 13th. [0:36:09, 0:36:11]: [2172.3, 2192.3]: And the Second Amendment to the development agreement dated August 13, 2007, with the exception of other conditions that are listed below. B phase two should have the same setbacks, building design, materials, and two gar garages as phase one. C to submit the city clerk and city attorney an updated [0:36:32, 0:36:52]: Legal description and plat certified by the engineer or surveyor license in the state of Georgia of the property and D amend the Declaration of Restrictive Covenants for phase one to incorporate phase two to state that the townhome units in phase two shall have all the same rights and privileges to use the common area. [0:36:52, 0:36:55]: and amenities that are located within phase one. [0:36:57, 0:36:58]: And that concludes the presentation. [0:37:00, 0:37:01]: Thank you, Lord. [0:37:02, 0:37:04]: Any questions from the commission, please? [0:37:06, 0:37:10]: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I have one question. [0:37:14, 0:37:16]: Going back to [0:37:17, 0:37:28]: Sorry, you gotta find it here. Going back to CP twenty twenty-four-zero three, page forty-seven, which is the last page. [0:37:32, 0:37:52]: This also applies to ZM twenty twenty four-04, page 44. These both state the same thing. Uh under Section E, applicant's tentative site plan, the applicant should not has not submitted a clean proposed new site plan showing the amenities which he plans to provide. Directly under both of those, staff recommendation is approval with conditions. [0:37:52, 0:38:11]: The applicants shall prepare a clean final site plan by using the previously approved plat. And then number two is the planning and zoning staff shall review the accuracy of the new site plan. So are we gonna ask to vote on a new site plan that's gonna be per provided to the city at a later date? [0:38:12, 0:38:32]: Mr. Benton, uh if you were reading the last page, that's part of the appendix material. About half of the report is appendix, which is um derived from the previous um zoning modification case two years ago, t ZM twenty twenty-two oh one. So what you're looking [0:38:32, 0:38:33]: Looking at if it's in [0:38:33, 0:38:43]: purple on the last page, that's uh that is um appendix. So it's not for this case tonight. It's just uh reference material. [0:38:43, 0:38:48]: Okay, understood. Thank you. Thank you for the correction. No further questions. [0:38:48, 0:38:49]: Any other questions? [0:38:49, 0:38:51]: Sure, I have some questions. Go right ahead. [0:38:52, 0:39:03]: Um, so I I know we're also approv I guess would say we're approving the connection of phase one and phase two. What's what's the hindrance between that with the wetland? Is that a issue at all? [0:39:11, 0:39:12]: Would the applicant like to speak? [0:39:13, 0:39:18]: Uh Ms. Lynn, I'll actually allow the I'll allow the applicant to speak and then I'll come back to my questions. [0:39:19, 0:39:27]: If there are no other questions from the commission, thank you, Gordon. Uh and I would ask the applicant, Miss Battle, would you come forward please and make your presentation? [0:39:34, 0:39:54]: Good evening everyone. Michelle Battle with Battle Law 3562, Habersham at North Lake, Tucker, Georgia, 30084. I'm gonna try not to be overly redundant with what staff has said. They gave a very detailed report. I think what I really wanna emphasize here is that we've got an amazing opportunity with this project. [0:39:54, 0:40:14]: That has started out back in 2003 and still trying to get completed. My client has proceeded with all of the infrastructure for phase one of the project for 41 beautiful townhome units that they are in the process of developing and had this additional. [0:40:14, 0:40:34]: Tract of land, which is shown by the star, that they wanted to add to the overall project. This phase one and phase two combined will allow for a total of 61 units to be located on the site. They will share all of the same amenity. [0:40:34, 0:40:54]: Areas. In fact, this should help lessen some of the burden on the 61, sorry, the original 41 homeowners because they will now have more people to share the costs for the maintenance and upkeep of those amenity areas. When we look at [0:40:54, 0:41:14]: The land use and the zoning plan, you can see that to the rear of the site, we are located in the MFR zoning district, with C2 being what the current property that's before us now is. [0:41:14, 0:41:34]: is currently zoned. It only kind of makes sense for us to add this into that rear parcel, the MFR, because there's not too many businesses that would be able to locate on this site without one being somewhat disruptive to the adjacent townhome. [0:41:34, 0:41:54]: Home community, but additionally, not many that would be able to function on a parcel zone C2 that far off of the public right-of-way. You already have the Waffle House and other improvements along that corridor. So it really makes sense to add this piece into that MFR and create some additional units. [0:41:54, 0:42:00]: that quite honestly can be used in the city um as the city continues to grow and develop. [0:42:01, 0:42:21]: So um once again we are taking um what is the existing Brush Creek phase one where there is um a significant amount of wetlands and streams along the back end of the uh of the project. Um we are not um interfering with that. Our piece is in the front, um and again we will just [0:42:21, 0:42:41]: Be adding that acreage into the existing acreage for phase one and combining the two and then platting out the additional 20 units, which is what is being proposed. This is the overall site plan, and this does show both phases combined together. [0:42:41, 0:43:01]: Kind of what you were alluding to, Councilmember Minton, or Commissioner Minton, that we are now providing a plan that shows the initial phase one, the 15.74 acres that is currently zone MFR, and then adding in the additional 20 units into phase two and showing how those [0:43:01, 0:43:21]: To integrate together. Most of the amenity area is along Brush Creek as you're coming into the community. There are a few open space areas to the rear of phase one, but the mass majority lies right here up front. And I'm going to kind of emphasize that. [0:43:20, 0:43:40]: Where you've got the monument sign coming in. Um the original development agreement and zoning from 2003 required the gazebo and the school bus waiting area. Um there's the sports field area and playground that's located right here near the entrance, which will be directly across. [0:43:40, 0:44:00]: Um from phase two. Really, one of the big distinctions between phase one and phase two is that phase one has rear entry um uh townhome units where we've got the private drive to the uh the rear, and um that allowed for um closer up on the [0:44:00, 0:44:20]: The units in terms of having uh no cars entering from the front off of that piece. Unfortunately for us, phase two really is not large enough to allow for that rear entry type product. So we are doing a front entry type product on the front on phase uh two. [0:44:20, 0:44:40]: Of the site. We do have the parking area. And let me, I think I can continue to emphasize that there. We've got some guest parking that's located here in the front. And again, the green space areas will be incorporated into the other common area. [0:44:40, 0:45:00]: That exists through phase one to add this additional 2.28 acres. And this is an idea of the facade design that we are looking for, kind of showing the two-car uh pad in front with the two-car garage. These are three-story units, which um [0:45:00, 0:45:20]: Again, it is a nice addition in the city of Stockbridge. We know that a lot of the developers that are coming in with the townhome type units are doing two-story product, kind of the traditional look of mixture of textures. This is, I think, a welcome addition into, I hope it's seen as a welcome addition. [0:45:20, 0:45:40]: Welcome addition into the City of Stockbridge, something a little bit more contemporary, hopefully something that will be very attractive to young folks, folks in the millennial and Gen Z area. It's got a little bit more trendy feel and look to it than maybe some of the other traditional. [0:45:40, 0:45:42]: [2743.9, 2763.9]: So that is the overall project. I'm going to go back to the um the data page where we've got both phases. Um we know that these units that we are proposing will be roughly um starting at about 450,000 and up. Um and we again anticipate that um [0:46:03, 0:46:23]: This would be underway sometime next year. We've already been putting in the infrastructure is in for Brush Creek Court now, and we're gonna be seeing some units coming out of the ground soon, and we would be looking to get phase two up and running uh quickly so that [0:46:23, 0:46:38]: That, you know, hopefully in maybe a year or so, um, this time two twenty I guess it's twenty twenty six, um, we would hope that we would have most of these units on the ground and sold. So with that, I'm here to answer any other questions that you may have. [0:46:39, 0:46:45]: Mr Williams, you may proceed, sir. Thank you, Chair. Um you basically kinda answered my question in your uh [0:46:47, 0:46:51]: project, but I did want to ask one thing. [0:46:52, 0:47:00]: Is this brick is side is any side of it brick at all? Um I'm gonna ask my client. [0:47:01, 0:47:02]: Freaking stuck up. [0:47:02, 0:47:03]: Brick and stucco. [0:47:04, 0:47:09]: Okay, so how many sides is brick? Three sides brick. Perfect. Okay. [0:47:11, 0:47:11]: All right. [0:47:14, 0:47:18]: Any other questions from the commission? Mr. Chairman, I have a question. [0:47:21, 0:47:41]: Go right in there. Okay. Um, go back to your your m the map you just showed. I do not see any parking spaces for the amenities area, as well as I do not see any sidewalks where people will walk. So there it's hard to see here, but there is a sidewalk that's located and I believe we're required to have that sidewalk. Um [0:47:41, 0:48:01]: Along Brush Creek Court. There's sidewalks within the interior of our community. There are some guest parking spaces here. Now, I will tell you that the plan that was originally approved for phase one did not contain any parking spaces along Brush Creek Court. My assumption is that. [0:48:01, 0:48:21]: People will be encouraged to walk over there and not drive over there. But these parking spaces that are technically guest parking spaces will be available to anyone who lives within Brush Creek Commons. It wouldn't just be for the people in phase two because it's one holistic project. So to the extent I guess it's [0:48:21, 0:48:36]: Someone needed to park over there and go to the play areas they could. Um but this is not a huge community. There's really no reason to encourage people to drive. They need to walk. Okay. I I see the sidewalk now, thank you. [0:48:39, 0:48:41]: Mr. Maiden, any questions? [0:48:44, 0:48:46]: Thank you, Ms. Bell. Thank you. [0:48:52, 0:48:55]: We'll now open the floor for a public hearing. [0:48:56, 0:49:01]: If there's anyone present who would like to speak [0:49:02, 0:49:05]: Against approving this project. [0:49:07, 0:49:10]: W would you please make your way to the podium? [0:49:14, 0:49:21]: Hearing none, if there's anyone that wish to speak in favor of this proposed project. [0:49:24, 0:49:25]: Make your way to the party. [0:49:30, 0:49:33]: Hearing none, the public hearing is not closed. [0:49:45, 0:49:45]: [2987.4, 2988.5]: Now I will [0:49:55, 0:50:00]: Prepare to take a vote on the cases individually. [0:50:00, 0:50:06]: First, the comprehensive plan amendment case. I need a motion from the commission, please. [0:50:07, 0:50:14]: Go ahead, Mr. Mid. Mr. Chairman, I make the motion to approve comprehensive plan amendment case CP twenty twenty four-zero three. [0:50:15, 0:50:16]: Mr. Chairman, I'll second that. [0:50:17, 0:50:28]: It's been moved by Mr. Mitten and seconded by Mr. Plechan that we approve comprehensive plan amendment KCP twenty-four-03. All in favor, let it be known by a show of hands. [0:50:29, 0:50:29]: I [0:50:31, 0:50:37]: Any opposed? The ayes have it. The comprehensive plan amendment case is approved. [0:50:40, 0:50:45]: Next I need a motion for the resulting case R Z twenty twenty four dash zero three. [0:50:46, 0:50:47]: Cheer. [0:50:47, 0:50:53]: Yes, sir. I have a quick question about this real quick. Um, if we we just approved the comprehensive [0:50:54, 0:51:00]: Plan, but if we don't approve the rezoning, will it still count as a standalone development? [0:51:04, 0:51:05]: We [0:51:06, 0:51:08]: approving a recommendation to the council. [0:51:09, 0:51:13]: The council will make the final decision on what gets approved. [0:51:13, 0:51:14]: And what does not. [0:51:16, 0:51:18]: So I'll need a motion. [0:51:19, 0:51:20]: That wasn't my question, Chair. [0:51:22, 0:51:35]: That wasn't my question. Would you restate the question? Sure. My question was, um if the comprehensive plan is approved and the rezoning is not, will it still move forward as a standalone development? [0:51:35, 0:51:38]: It will move forward to council for approval. [0:51:40, 0:51:42]: Uh do y'all understand my question, staff?'Cause I clearly [0:51:45, 0:51:46]: What was the question? [0:51:48, 0:51:49]: Come closer. [0:51:50, 0:51:51]: You repeat the question? [0:51:51, 0:52:02]: Yeah. I said if the comprehensive plan amendment case is was if it's approved if it was approved and the rezoning was not, will it still continue as a standalone development? [0:52:05, 0:52:08]: Yes, it it will still proceed to the city council. [0:52:08, 0:52:15]: Okay, thank you. Chair, I make a motion to approve rezoning case R S D dash twenty twenty four dash oh three. [0:52:15, 0:52:16]: Mr. Arsaken, please. [0:52:19, 0:52:20]: Mr. Chairman, Mr. Mitton seconds. [0:52:21, 0:52:34]: removed by Mr Williams and second by Mr. Mitten that resonant case R Z twenty twenty four dash zero three is approved. Excuse me mr d Mr Dilmers we'd like to add a condition to that that [0:52:35, 0:52:37]: Three s that uh the units would be three sided brick. [0:52:38, 0:52:38]: As a condition. [0:52:43, 0:52:55]: Motion. Okay. Would you restate the motion, please? Sure. I make a motion that we approve rezoning case RZ-2024-03 with the recondition to have three sided brick. [0:52:56, 0:52:58]: And must admit in second. [0:53:00, 0:53:02]: All in favor let it be known by show of hands. [0:53:02, 0:53:03]: I like. [0:53:04, 0:53:08]: Any opposed, eyes have it. The rezoning case is approved. [0:53:10, 0:53:13]: Next excuse me, who was the who seconded the motion? [0:53:13, 0:53:14]: Mr. Mayton. [0:53:14, 0:53:15]: Thank you. [0:53:17, 0:53:24]: Next we'll do the resorting modification K Zm twenty twenty four dash zero one. I need a motion, please. [0:53:26, 0:53:32]: Mr. Chairman, yes sir. Make the motion to approve zoning modification KCM twenty twenty four dash zero one. [0:53:33, 0:53:34]: And I'll need a second. [0:53:36, 0:53:38]: Mr. Chairman Dave Planchet will second that. [0:53:38, 0:53:52]: Thank you. Mr. Minton has moved to approve rezoning case twenty twenty zero I'm sorry, ZM twenty twenty four zero one. Mr. Minton, second that motion. All in favor, let it be known by show of hand. Aye. Aye. [0:53:52, 0:53:57]: Mr. Chair, we just want to make sure they're being approved with staff's conditions. [0:53:58, 0:54:00]: That was read in the record. [0:54:02, 0:54:05]: Okay, with with that [0:54:06, 0:54:17]: So Mr. Chairman, then I'll withdraw and then I'll make the motion that we approve with staff conditions ZM twenty twenty four dash zero one. [0:54:17, 0:54:35]: And uh second please. I will still second it. Thank you. Mr. Minton has approved uh motion to approve zone and modification case ZM twenty twenty four dash zero one. What staff conditions, Mr. Flash on second that motion. All in favor, let it be known by the show of hands. [0:54:35, 0:54:42]: Aye. Aye. There's no opposition. It's unanimous. There's only modification case is approved. [0:54:52, 0:54:55]: The next two items [0:54:55, 0:55:00]: On tonight's agenda pertain to four properties on Davis Road. [0:55:02, 0:55:12]: They are comprehensive plan amendment case CP twenty twenty four-zero seven and rezoning case RZ 2024-08. [0:55:13, 0:55:16]: I will read both cases into the record. [0:55:18, 0:55:35]: After that we'll have combined presentation from the staff and a combined public hearing on both cases. And then we'll vote on each case separately. Comprehensive plan amendment KCP 2024-07 for property located in Council District 2. [0:55:37, 0:55:40]: Consideration of a comprehensive plan amendment request. [0:55:41, 0:55:45]: To change the future land use designations of four parcels. [0:55:45, 0:55:47]: On the south side of Davis Road. [0:55:48, 0:55:50]: As identified below. [0:55:51, 0:55:55]: From the current split future land use designations. [0:55:56, 0:55:58]: To low density mix use. [0:55:58, 0:56:00]: for the entire property. [0:56:02, 0:56:05]: For the purpose of allowing the construction [0:56:05, 0:56:08]: of a self storage warehouse development. [0:56:09, 0:56:11]: The property owner is B One Holmes. [0:56:12, 0:56:14]: Improvement LLC. [0:56:14, 0:56:16]: And the agents of Robert Nesbitt. [0:56:17, 0:56:18]: And Roger [0:56:18, 0:56:19]: Gautier. [0:56:21, 0:56:29]: The property is located in Land Lot 71, District 12, and it contains 6.895 acres more or less. [0:56:31, 0:56:51]: 649 Davis Road parcels number is S0508004000. Contains 3.6050 acres, more or less. Current feature land use designation low. [0:56:51, 0:56:56]: density residential and medium density mixed use. [0:56:58, 0:57:11]: Six fifty-seven Davis Roads parcel S05-080300 contains point six six acres more or less. [0:57:13, 0:57:17]: Current future land use designation is unassigned. [0:57:19, 0:57:26]: Six eighty one Davis Road, parcel S zero five dash zero eight, zero zero five, zero zero zero. [0:57:27, 0:57:31]: Contains one point three four acres, more or less. [0:57:31, 0:57:39]: Current future land use designation, low density residential, and medium density mixed use. [0:57:42, 0:57:51]: Parcel number S zero five dash zero eight zero zero six zero zero zero on Davis Road. [0:57:52, 0:57:56]: Contains one point two nine acres more or less. [0:57:57, 0:58:05]: The current land use designation is low density residential and medium density mixed use. [0:58:07, 0:58:13]: The rezoning case number R Z twenty twenty four dash zero eight. [0:58:14, 0:58:18]: Again for the same property located in council district two. [0:58:19, 0:58:23]: Consideration of a zoning request to rezone four parcels. [0:58:23, 0:58:25]: On the south side of Davis Road. [0:58:26, 0:58:33]: as are identified are identified below from suburban residential to office institutional. [0:58:35, 0:58:38]: Two I'm sorry. [0:58:40, 0:58:50]: We're going to rezone from suburban, residential and office institutional 2C3 heavy commercial. [0:58:51, 0:58:53]: For the purpose of allowing [0:58:53, 0:58:56]: The construction of a self storage warehouse development. [0:58:58, 0:59:04]: The property owner is B One Homes Improvement, LLC and the agent is Robert Nespit and Roger Gautier. [0:59:05, 0:59:14]: The property is located in landlot 71, District 12, and it contains 6.89 acres, more or less. [0:59:17, 0:59:33]: And I'll read the dimensions again for each parcel. Six fifty-nine Davis Row parcel S zero five-zero eight hundred four zero zero zero contains three point six zero five acres, more or less. [0:59:35, 0:59:45]: 659 Davis Road, parcel S5-0800-3000 contains.66 acres more or less. [0:59:47, 0:59:50]: Current zoning is serving suburban residential. [0:59:53, 1:00:07]: Six eighty-one Davis Road, parcels S05-0805-000 contains one point three four acres more or less, and the current zoning is suburban residential. [1:00:09, 1:00:21]: Parcel numbers S zero five dash zero eight zero zero six zero zero zero on Davis Row contains one point two nine acres more or less. [1:00:23, 1:00:27]: The current zoning is OI office institution. [1:00:30, 1:00:31]: Mr Linton, please. [1:00:32, 1:00:32]: Thank you, Chairman. [1:00:34, 1:00:42]: This is the presentation. This is the combined presentations for RC twenty-four-zero eight and CP twenty-four-zero seven. [1:00:45, 1:01:03]: These are the case facts. The applicant, as mentioned, is B-1 Home Improvement LLC. The owner is Beatrice Arroyo of B-1 Home Improvement LLC. The agents are Mr. Robert Nesmith and Roger Scultier, who are present tonight. The address of the property is 649 Davis Road. [1:01:04, 1:01:12]: Six five seven Davis Road, six eighty one Davis Road, and parcel at zero five dash zero eight hundred five thousand. [1:01:13, 1:01:33]: And the other parcel, which is S05 800, 6000 on Davis Road. The number of acres is 6.895. And as far as the characteristics, the subject property is wooded with an existing house located on 681 Davis Road. The current future land use designation is medium density residential. [1:01:33, 1:01:50]: and low density mixed use. The current zoning of the property is SR, Suburban Residential, and OI, which is office institutional. The sign was posted on August twenty-second, twenty twenty four, and the letters were received from the applicants on October twenty second, twenty twenty four. [1:01:55, 1:01:56]: This is the vicinity map. [1:01:58, 1:02:01]: And these are the parcels which are highlighted in different colors. [1:02:02, 1:02:22]: This is in the yellow is S05-08006000. The other parcel is 681 Davis Road with the house. 649 Davis Road in the purple with S-05-8004,000. And 657 Davis Road, which is S058003,000. [1:02:22, 1:02:36]: You have Wildwood Estates, which is a subdivision. You have Piney Woods, which is also a subdivision, and you also have Stockbridge Estate, which is the mobile home. And you also have Walmart and you have the shopping center. [1:02:42, 1:02:44]: This is the aerial photo with the side plan. [1:02:53, 1:02:56]: And this is the survey that was that was submitted. [1:03:06, 1:03:10]: And this is the site visit w when we posted the sign on October twenty second, twenty twenty four. [1:03:16, 1:03:36]: And the zoning history of the property. 657 Davis Road was annexed into the city of Stockbridge on June 10, 2002, upon the request of Elveda Ainsworth, and was assigned to R3 city zoning at the time. 649 Davis Road was annexed into the city on November 10, 2003, upon the request of Elveda. [1:03:36, 1:03:56]: Ainsworth that was assigned to R3 City, I mean City Zoning District at the time. 681 Davis Road was annexed into the city of Stockbridge on November 10, 2003, upon the request of Elveda Ainsworth that was assigned to R3 zoning district. And the subject parcel S05-000. [1:03:56, 1:04:11]: eight hundred six thousand was rezoned from R three, which is residential to OI office institution upon the request of Thomas Starnes. The ten of the use was for construction an American Legion Post Headquarters building. [1:04:15, 1:04:35]: The development information. So B1 Home Improvement plans to develop a self-storage facility comprising eight units and two hundred and seventy four rental units, spanning six point eight five nine acres across four parcels on the south side of Davis Road. According to Chapter twelve of the Unified Development Code, the self-storage facility [1:04:35, 1:04:55]: Facilities is defined as fully enclosed facilities with independent base or self-contained units for the exclusive storage of self of goods or personal park property. Building one will contain cover forty hundred square feet with twenty-four units. Building two will be larger with eight four hundred square feet with forty-two units. [1:04:55, 1:05:15]: Building three, we've have 5,400 square feet with 27 units. And building four will be the most spacious, featuring 11,250 square feet and 50 units. Building 5 will include 4,300 square feet and 29 units. And building 6 will mirror building 3 with 5,400 square feet and 27 units. [1:05:15, 1:05:35]: Building seven will be one of the largest structures encompassing 10,800 square feet and 48 units, while building eight will again match building three and six, offering 5,400 square feet and 27 units. The project will feature a dedicated turning lane, a stormwater pond, and landscaping. [1:05:35, 1:05:35]: Yeah. [1:05:36, 1:05:50]: Post construction, eighteen wheelers will be prohibited on the property, and the security measures will include twenty four hour video surveillance, individual units alarms, access control systems, and perimeter security cameras. [1:05:53, 1:06:01]: And this is the side plan of the property. The ones in brown, that's that's the units. And as you can see, that's the turning lane here. [1:06:04, 1:06:06]: We're just showing with the uh laser point. [1:06:08, 1:06:13]: And they do have landscaping as well, which is shown in the green. And in the blue, you have the stormwater pond. [1:06:15, 1:06:17]: And they also have a seventy five foot wide buffer. [1:06:22, 1:06:25]: This is a layout that they submitted. [1:06:26, 1:06:28]: Which shows over off site. [1:06:35, 1:06:38]: This is the building el elevations that they submitted? [1:06:39, 1:06:41]: Which just shows it will be brick. [1:06:48, 1:06:54]: This is the proposed self storage warehouse, the development information that I read earlier. It's just a breakdown. [1:07:02, 1:07:15]: And this is the map of the existing and proposed self-storage facilities in the city. There are eight self-storage facilities that are located within the city limits of Southbridge, with six existing and two that are in the plan review process. [1:07:18, 1:07:25]: And the property is shown in the in the star. And as mentioned, the ones in red they these are existent. [1:07:32, 1:07:46]: This is a comparative analysis between the proposed self storage facility and the current self storage facilities that are located in the city limits. Overall, the proposed self storage facility is consistent with the self storage facilities that are in the city limits. [1:08:01, 1:08:05]: This is the presentation for the CP twenty four-zero eight. [1:08:08, 1:08:16]: Uh, the applicant's request as mentioned is to change the future land use designations from their current split future designations to low density mixed use. [1:08:18, 1:08:38]: Currently, the top portion of the parcels six hundred forty nine, six five seven, six eighty one, Davis Road, and parcel S zero five-eight hundred six thousand have a future land use designation of medium density residential, which is not compatible with the C three zoning district. Therefore, the applicant is requesting to change the future use. [1:08:38, 1:08:42]: land use designations from the current space used to low density mixed use. [1:08:45, 1:08:53]: And this is the s the comprehensive plan map along with the intent of the low density mixed use. [1:09:01, 1:09:09]: And as mentioned, the top portions of the site have a few feature land uses designation of medium density residential, which is shown with the pointer. [1:09:11, 1:09:17]: And the bottom portions have a future land use designation of low density mixed use, which is shown. [1:09:24, 1:09:26]: And this is a surrounding language designation. [1:09:28, 1:09:34]: The area is surrounded by medium density residential, low density mixed use, and medium density mixed use. [1:09:45, 1:09:46]: And this is a staff analysis? [1:09:52, 1:10:00]: It does meet the cooperative plan and these are the list of goals and policies that were featured in page forty two and forty four that they do meet. [1:10:08, 1:10:22]: The key points from the staff analysis is that the proposed self-storage aligns with the tent of the low density mixed use future land use destination, and that the site location is favorable due to its strategic proximity to both residential and commercial areas. [1:10:25, 1:10:27]: Therefore, staff recommends approval. [1:10:35, 1:10:38]: And this is the presentation for RC twenty four dash zero eight. [1:10:41, 1:10:50]: The applicant's request is to rezone the four parcels on the south side of Davis Road from SR and OI to C3 Heavy Commercial. [1:10:50, 1:11:01]: Currently the three parcels are zone SR and one parcel is zone OI. And so the applicant wants to re-zone all parcel to C three, which permits the self-storage facilities. [1:11:05, 1:11:08]: Oh this is the zoning map of the parcels, Sean? [1:11:11, 1:11:21]: The area is surrounded by C two, General Commercial, S R, Suburban Res Residential, and MHR, Mobile Home Residential and R R, Rural Residential. [1:11:28, 1:11:48]: And this is the surrounding land use and zoning. Property to the north you have SR, which is the Wildwood Estate subdivisions. Property to the south, which is Walmart, is zone C two. Property to the east is rural residential, which is sunny tree care and landscaping, along with the Stockbridge Estates, which is zone M H R. [1:11:48, 1:11:53]: Proper to the west is the Davis Pavilion Shopping Center, which is zone C two. [1:11:58, 1:12:00]: And this is the staff analysis. [1:12:03, 1:12:05]: It is consistent with the complaint. [1:12:09, 1:12:13]: And it also aligns with these stop raise zonic code. [1:12:15, 1:12:23]: And these are the list of objectives that the self-storage facility aligns with in section one point four of the stop bridge unified development code. [1:12:31, 1:12:51]: The key points from the staff analysis is that the proposed self-storage facility aligns with the intent of the low density mixed-use future land use designation. The proposed self-storage facility meets the purpose and intent of the Stockbridge Unified Development Code. The site is suitable for the proposed self-storage facility, and the proposed [1:12:51, 1:12:55]: Post self storage facility is expected to generate less traffic. [1:12:56, 1:13:16]: And staff recommends approval with the conditions. The site plan. The subject property shall be shall be developed similar to the site plan that was submitted to the applicant by the applicant on August 8, 2004. Buffers. The developer shall provide a 40-foot buffer along the eastern side of the property adjacent to the stop bridge at [1:13:16, 1:13:36]: State's mobile home, a 15-foot buffer along the western side adjacent to the Davis Pavilion Shopping Center, and a 15-foot buffer along the southern side adjacent to Walmart Shopping Center in accordance with section 3.234 of the Stockbridge Unified Development Code. [1:13:36, 1:13:56]: Architectural standards. Each building must have at least 50% of the exterior on all sides of all four facades constructed with brick, stone, or a combination of these materials. The number of units. The number of rental units shall be limited to a maximum of 247. [1:13:56, 1:14:12]: seven. Flock cameras shall be installed at the entrance of a facility. Street lights shall be installed along the perimeter of the property. Ingress and egress must be provided by the fire marshal for all the buildings, and the self storage facility must be enclosed with a gate. [1:14:16, 1:14:18]: And that concludes the presentation. [1:14:19, 1:14:22]: Thank you, Gordon. Any questions please from the commission? [1:14:25, 1:14:27]: I have a [1:14:27, 1:14:30]: Mr Chairman, I have a question. Go right ahead, sir. [1:14:30, 1:14:36]: Why C three heavy commercial instead of C two? I mean Walmart is C two. [1:14:37, 1:14:42]: So C so C three permits the self storage re units while C two does not. [1:14:44, 1:14:53]: Say that again, permits what? So C three permits the uh self-storage facilities as opposed to C two, which does not. Okay. Thank you. [1:14:56, 1:14:59]: You have questions? Okay. [1:15:01, 1:15:08]: No further questions. I would like the applicant to speak if they wish to. Thank you, Gordon. [1:15:08, 1:15:09]: Okay, cool. [1:15:16, 1:15:18]: Let's see. [1:15:23, 1:15:24]: Yeah. [1:15:27, 1:15:47]: Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. I'd like to say thank you to this commission and we appreciate the opportunity to present to you today. My name is Bob Nesbitt, and I'm here on behalf of B1 Home Improvement, and we're here in regards to the storage facility. A few points I'd like to bring out about storage facilities. [1:15:47, 1:16:07]: Facilities is that one, it's convenient for residents. Many residents need extra storage for personal belongings, seasonal items, or vehicles, especially in areas with smaller homes and apartments. A local storage facility provides secure and easily accessible. [1:16:07, 1:16:09]: [4570.8, 4590.8]: Another point is that property values are increased in most cases. Modern storage facilities are often designed to blend into neighborhoods and, if well maintained, can even improve nearby property aesthetics. This can benefit property values, especially if the facilities replace a vacant and underutilized property. [1:16:30, 1:16:50]: Which we have in this particular case. Their economic benefits. Storage facilities create local jobs for construction, management, and maintenance. They also contribute to the local community and the local economy through property taxes, supporting nearby businesses, and attracting customers. Clutter. [1:16:50, 1:17:10]: Keep our neighborhoods, our areas clean. Having access to a nearby storage facility encourages decluttering in residential properties which are in close proximity, which can make neighborhoods appear tidier and more organized. The impact on traffic, low impact on traffic and noise. [1:17:10, 1:17:30]: Unlike other commercial developments, storage facilities generate minimal traffic since customers usually visit occasionally. They operate quietly, making less disruptive noises and unwanted activity than other businesses. Enhanced security. [1:17:30, 1:17:34]: This storage facility will have a state of the art security system. [1:17:35, 1:17:55]: Storage facilities are typically well lit and include security features like surveillance cameras and gated access. This can improve the overall security in the neighborhood. Environmental considerations. Modern storage facilities are designed with sustainability in mind using energy efficient. [1:17:55, 1:18:10]: building materials and technologies and some even include green spaces which we have and landscaping improvements because we feel that to beautify the area is important and we want to uplift this community and be a good corporate citizen. [1:18:10, 1:18:30]: Support for small businesses. Local entrepreneurs and small businesses often use storage units as effective cost saving spaces for inventory, supplies, equipment, and enabling economic growth in the community. And last but not least, adaptive use of land or of unused land. [1:18:30, 1:18:50]: If the proposed site is currently vacant or dilapidated, which it is, developing a storage facility can transform it into a functional and aesthetically pleasing part of the neighborhood. So we we just want to do something that we feel is a need. We've investigated and spoke with many people and small business owners in the community. [1:18:50, 1:18:58]: They've informed us that the storage units approximately every six month to a year are increasing the rates, supply and demand. [1:18:59, 1:19:00]: The less the supply. [1:19:01, 1:19:16]: The greater the demand, then the cost tends to increase. By bringing a storage facility into this area, it can moderate the pricing, it can uplift the community, and it can be a benefit aesthetically to make this a more convenient and uh livable neighborhood. [1:19:18, 1:19:38]: Uh I do want to point out that when we look at our slides here, this is what you've seen earlier. This is the site plan. This is the aerial photo, which we've highlighted in yellow, shows the area where we will be building the storage facility. Right behind us, directly behind us is Walmart. And over, I believe, to the west is the [1:19:38, 1:19:47]: strip mall. So this will fit in perfectly to support the businesses that go in and out of these areas as well as the homes that are in the surrounding area. [1:19:49, 1:20:00]: This is another shot showing it from the viewpoint of the neighborhood that is across the street, but you can clearly see the commercial activity that's going on to the west and the Walmart that is directly behind it. [1:20:02, 1:20:14]: This is the plan that shows exactly how it sits on the ground with the aesthetics that we have there with the beautification and the shrubbery that we're gonna have there in the front, the landscaping. [1:20:14, 1:20:23]: And this is a picture of what the proposed landscaping will look like with beautiful trees that will help to provide uh aesthetics to the area. [1:20:25, 1:20:28]: This is a picture of what some of the storage units will look like. [1:20:31, 1:20:40]: Then this is another view. And here this is a nice young lady that's bringing in and out her goods that she would use to in order to declutter a home. [1:20:43, 1:20:45]: This is the elevation. [1:20:46, 1:21:06]: And these are the benefits that I spoke of earlier: convenience for residents, increased property values, economic benefits, reduced clutter, low impact to traffic and noise, state of the art and enhanced security, environmentally friendly, support for small businesses, and adaptive use of unused land. [1:21:06, 1:21:08]: Yeah. [1:21:08, 1:21:11]: I'll be more than happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. [1:21:12, 1:21:25]: Mr. William, go ahead, sir. Thank you, Chair. Um, I have a few questions, or really a few concerns as well. Um I know you said you s you did speak to some of the commercial areas and some of the community. [1:21:26, 1:21:46]: But I did not see or you did not at least elaborate to us were they in favor for it or they did they say anything like about that with you? And then when you asked that as well, I also wanted to ask to this question a traffic study? Because you know, it's not really more so you coming in and out of the actual storage unit, but more so the [1:21:46, 1:22:06]: uh um heavy machinery and trucks and the increase of traffic on that street specifically? I appreciate those questions. Very good. Yes, we did speak with people and it was favorable. They were asking for more storage facilities because help that will help one with the pricing and two, most of those storage facilities are being used 100%. [1:22:06, 1:22:26]: So very few vacancies. So that is a needed opportunity for homeowners, especially small business people that want to store equipment and things of that nature that's ongoing in the area. And two, in regards to traffic, as it was stated earlier, we are prohibiting any 18-wheelers or large vehicles from coming in and out of that facility. [1:22:26, 1:22:46]: Two, we will operate from the hours of 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., which is basically as close as we could get from dusk to dawn. And three, we will have state-of-the-art security. But in terms of traffic, it will basically be homeowners or small business people that will be bringing equipment or items from [1:22:45, 1:22:50]: from their home in and out as opposed to industrial or large commercial vehicles. [1:22:51, 1:23:11]: Okay. Um thank you for that. Also um I I really the one main plus that I see for this is job creation, which is really what we need to see in the area. Um but I I can really tell you, I I know for a fact numerous studies just tell you that storage units also are often bringing down the property value in their [1:23:11, 1:23:31]: that area and you're going right across from a neighborhood, right across the street, and then one right beside you. Um, I d I don't know how appealing that would be one for our future homeowners and then our current homeowners, um, because that's not an increase in their property value, it's really a decrease, especially because we already have that Walmart and that commercial [1:23:31, 1:23:38]: Area. But I will say honestly, that really the last question I'll have for you were was. [1:23:41, 1:23:43]: No, you answered it. We're good. [1:23:43, 1:23:44]: Thank you. [1:23:44, 1:23:45]: Thank you. [1:23:46, 1:23:47]: Mr Mitton. [1:23:48, 1:23:51]: District two, have you any thoughts? [1:23:52, 1:24:12]: Mr. Chairman, I have a question. Um, I see there's no uh management residence on the property. Is that correct? That is correct. And but there will be an office, like you said, man seven from seven to seven. That is correct. There will be video surveillance that we will have around the clock 24 hours, but someone will be manning from seven to seven. [1:24:12, 1:24:25]: and those are the hours for egress and ingress. And for a new client coming in, is there an office that they can go and and register or request or is it all excuse me, is it all done online? Everything will be done virtually or digitally. Okay. [1:24:27, 1:24:27]: Thank you. [1:24:31, 1:24:51]: I have one more question, Chair. Go ahead, sir. Uh I I know if Gordon can come back to the screen for me. Sorry, excuse me. Um thank you. Um I wanna look at the map that you have up that shows the current uh storage units in that area. And I think it was current and future. [1:24:51, 1:24:53]: I'm gonna see if I have it. [1:24:57, 1:24:57]: Yes. [1:25:04, 1:25:10]: Okay. So I see two other existing storage units. Are those current or future? [1:25:15, 1:25:20]: So this one is located on [1:25:23, 1:25:29]: Five forty four hundred North Harry Boulevard. No, actually five three three four North Harry Boulevard. [1:25:31, 1:25:32]: We're just right here. [1:25:33, 1:25:38]: Is that's the um secure life storage? That's the s life storage place. And then what about the one across from it? Right. Yeah. [1:25:39, 1:25:41]: So that one is in um [1:25:41, 1:26:01]: Process. Um that was that was in Pan Review process. Okay. Only reason I asked is because looking at the map, the one the second one you just pointed at and the one that we're talking about now, it it looks a little almost walking distance to from one another. So do you know that proximity from one another? [1:26:01, 1:26:02]: Another. [1:26:03, 1:26:08]: No uh not at this time. Okay, that's a concern for me. Okay, thank you. [1:26:18, 1:26:21]: Any more questions from the Commission? [1:26:22, 1:26:23]: No? [1:26:24, 1:26:26]: Thank you. [1:26:33, 1:26:38]: This is a public hearing, so we'll open the floor for [1:26:39, 1:26:42]: Anyone who wishes to speak in favor or against [1:26:44, 1:26:46]: Hearing non public hearing is not closed. [1:27:00, 1:27:02]: I need a motion, please. [1:27:03, 1:27:09]: For comprehensive plan amendment case CP twenty twenty four dash oh seven. [1:27:13, 1:27:13]: Cheer. [1:27:14, 1:27:19]: Yes, sir. I make a motion to deny comprehensive plan amendment C P dash twenty twenty four dash oh seven. [1:27:21, 1:27:22]: Is there a second? [1:27:27, 1:27:30]: Hearing none, the motion fails. [1:27:30, 1:27:40]: For lack of a second. Mr. Chairman Dave Planchon, I'd like to make make a motion we approve comprehensive plan amendment CP twenty four twenty four oh seven. [1:27:41, 1:27:50]: Mr. Planchon has moved to approve comprehensive plan case CP twenty twenty four dash oh seven. Is there a second? [1:27:50, 1:27:51]: Mr. Chairman, I second. [1:27:52, 1:27:58]: It's been moved by Mr. Planchon and seconded by Mr. Minton. All in favor, let it be known by show of hands. [1:27:59, 1:28:00]: Bye. [1:28:01, 1:28:02]: In our polls. [1:28:03, 1:28:06]: Mr Plechon, Mr. Mitten vote. [1:28:07, 1:28:08]: In favor of approval? [1:28:09, 1:28:10]: Mr [1:28:10, 1:28:11]: Williams votes. [1:28:12, 1:28:14]: To oppose, the motion passes. [1:28:17, 1:28:19]: Two one. Thank you. [1:28:23, 1:28:29]: Now I need a motion for rezoning case RZ twenty twenty four dash zero eight. [1:28:30, 1:28:37]: Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to approve with staff conditions, rezoning case RZ two zero two four-zero eight. [1:28:39, 1:28:41]: Mr. Chairman Dave Planchan Seconds. [1:28:41, 1:28:49]: Mr. Minton has m moved to approve rezoning case RZ twenty twenty-four-zero eight with conditions. [1:28:49, 1:28:53]: Mr. Planchon, second that motion. [1:28:53, 1:28:54]: All in favour? [1:28:55, 1:28:57]: Let it be known by a show of hands. Aye. Aye. [1:28:59, 1:29:00]: In your polls. [1:29:01, 1:29:14]: Mr. Planchon, Mr. Mitten votes yay in favor of the resulting case. Mr. Williams votes nay to oppose. The motion passes. Thank you. [1:29:34, 1:29:35]: Project updates. [1:29:40, 1:29:41]: Staff comments. [1:29:46, 1:29:47]: Do we have any? [1:29:48, 1:29:49]: Mr. Anderson? [1:29:54, 1:30:00]: You just uh not at this time, Chairman. Thank you. Thank you, sir. [1:30:06, 1:30:08]: Any comments from the board? [1:30:09, 1:30:17]: Chair, I have a question next. Yes, sir. Um at our last meeting, I inquired um on one of the uh [1:30:17, 1:30:33]: Items we approved, which was I believe the gas station. Um I wanted to know what was if staff was able to get that number of how many the city had in total and then how many the county gas stations were brought, I inquired about during the last meeting. [1:30:33, 1:30:41]: Uh the item was deferred, so it didn't move forward at City Council was deferred. Um we can get that information to you. Okay, thank you. [1:30:44, 1:30:46]: Any other comments from the board? [1:30:51, 1:30:56]: I would just make one comment. I'd like to take the opportunity to wish all of you [1:30:56, 1:30:57]: Well, happen scooving. [1:30:59, 1:31:02]: I ask that you stay safe and I pray that you be blessed. [1:31:04, 1:31:06]: Staff comments, Mr. Chairman? [1:31:07, 1:31:27]: Um just letting the board know that we're pre we're we've prepared a new schedule for next year. It's a draft for the council's approval on December ninth. Also, um some of this board's uh members' um terms are expiring and so [1:31:28, 1:31:31]: That will have to be acted on my code. [1:31:31, 1:31:37]: That that doesn't need to be made public about the term expirations. We will let them know via mail. [1:31:44, 1:31:45]: Any other comments? [1:31:53, 1:31:54]: Motion to adjourn. [1:31:55, 1:31:55]: Okay. [1:31:56, 1:32:01]: Mr. Chairman, I make the motion a second. [1:32:04, 1:32:09]: Hi, hi. My feet make it good night. [1:32:18, 1:32:20]: Yeah. Have a good night.

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2024-11-19 source: 2024-11-19_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:02:32, 0:02:41]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna get the meeting started and do have a quorum here tonight. So I'd like to call our council work session uh Tuesday [0:02:41, 0:02:43]: November nineteenth to order. [0:02:43, 0:02:44]: And actually I [0:02:45, 0:03:05]: Thank you. If you bow your heads, as we conduct this last meeting before Thanksgiving, today is the perfect opportunity to say how much we have so much to be thankful for. We thank God for having his covering hand over the city of Stockbridge and for the abundance of joy and overflow that he has. [0:03:05, 0:03:07]: Provided for the city. [0:03:07, 0:03:10]: He's provided safety and security for the city. [0:03:10, 0:03:13]: He's provided guides and guidance and wisdom. [0:03:13, 0:03:33]: And he's provided so much joy in the year of 2024 that we have so much to be thankful for. But that's just the beginning. That's so much more, and so many more blessings in stow as we move forward with so much to be thankful for. Let's be thankful for our families. Let's be thankful for every citizen. [0:03:33, 0:03:46]: And in our community and the surrounding communities and pray for their abundance and overflow and excess in their lives, so that we can make sure that no one is left behind as we move the community forward. Amen. [0:03:47, 0:04:03]: Amen. All right. Pledge allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic of which it stands, one nation, under God, and the liberty and justice for all. Madam Clerk, rule calls. [0:04:04, 0:04:18]: Good evening everyone. Mayor Ford. Present. Mayor Pro Temberry. Let the record reflect Mayor Pro Temberry is not in attendance. Councilmember Alexander. Present. Council Member Barber. Present. Councilmember Gantt. [0:04:19, 0:04:32]: Let the record reflect Councilmember Gantt is not in attendance. Councilmember Thomas. Mayor Ford, you have a call. Thank you, Madam Clerk. I appreciate that. Councilman Alexander, sir. I need a amendment to the to the agenda for this evening, please. [0:04:32, 0:04:43]: Yes, sir, Mayor, I'd like the motion to amend the agenda to defer item number four, Text Amendment case TX two zero two four four four four four four zero six to be heard at a later date to be determined. [0:04:44, 0:04:45]: Is there a second event motion? [0:04:47, 0:04:51]: Is there a second to the motion? Oh Mr. Mr. Thomas Second. All I'm fair, please indicate. [0:04:53, 0:04:54]: Okay. [0:04:56, 0:05:01]: Oh yes ma'am. I'll abstain. I don't know why it's being deferred. [0:05:01, 0:05:07]: It's being deferred but based on legal advice is my understanding. Um Mr. um [0:05:08, 0:05:11]: Ms. Gardner, you want to address that, please, further? [0:05:17, 0:05:25]: Yes, the legal department um has some comments on it before we bring it to you, we'd rather address some of the comments we got from the legal department. I'm sorry. [0:05:25, 0:05:43]: Sorry. My apologies. Um, legal counsel had some comments and so we want to review and address those comments before we bring it before you. So that's why we're asking for it to to for continuance so that we could address those new comments we got and bring it back. Okay. Thank you. [0:05:44, 0:05:54]: Now m what uh Mr. Alexander you you made a motion. Mr. Tom yes sir. Before you uh complete the motion, I just had a question. Um [0:05:55, 0:06:05]: Ms. Garner? Will that information come to the council based on your research or statement? Will it come before the council before the meeting? [0:06:05, 0:06:12]: So we have an opportunity to see and understand what you just indicated that you needed to do. [0:06:13, 0:06:14]: As to the reason why it's being [0:06:15, 0:06:15]: Defer. [0:06:16, 0:06:18]: So you want to see legal comments on [0:06:18, 0:06:26]: Well, I mean in in order for us to be able to vote on it when it do come back and I think um and I won't speak for uh Councilwoman Barber, but [0:06:26, 0:06:28]: There's a reason why. [0:06:28, 0:06:31]: And I just want to know what would it impact? [0:06:31, 0:06:41]: our decision based on that and if it if it does not then I do understand. Okay. So uh it does not impact our decision based on the delay. Right. [0:06:41, 0:06:52]: So specific specifically what those legal commons legals have, I don't know specifics. So until we sit down with them, they just said that hey, we see some issues we wanna address with you guys on it. [0:06:52, 0:06:53]: And so [0:06:54, 0:06:59]: We'll highlight whatever those areas are so or have them write a memo so you'll know what those issues were. [0:07:00, 0:07:00]: Thank you. [0:07:00, 0:07:08]: Fair. Okay. Thank you, sir. All right. So Mr. Alexander, you made a motion. Mr. Thomas, you second that motion. Right. Okay. All in favor, please indicate. [0:07:10, 0:07:10]: Mm. [0:07:14, 0:07:14]: I'm sorry, ma'am. [0:07:16, 0:07:17]: No, it's the same motion. [0:07:19, 0:07:33]: The motion it was m motion was made and seconded and uh Miss Barber had some questions about it, so I brought Mrs. Garden up to explain the question. So I just reiterate the motion was made and seconded. Okay. Okay, all in favor of the motion, please indicate. This will be a new motion. Why would it be a new motion? [0:07:34, 0:07:36]: Because I abstain on the first motion. [0:07:37, 0:07:37]: Well [0:07:40, 0:07:40]: All right. [0:07:43, 0:07:47]: Um any legal advice on that at all? Does it make a difference? [0:07:49, 0:07:51]: Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. [0:07:53, 0:08:13]: Go ahead. I'll make a new motion to remove it from the agenda. Go right here, please. Uh I'll make a motion to amend the agenda to defer item number four, text amendment case TX two zero two four-zero six to be heard at a later date once the information from legal is deemed. [0:08:13, 0:08:14]: Mm. [0:08:15, 0:08:16]: Gives you a second emotion. [0:08:16, 0:08:19]: I second. Okay, Mr. Thomas, second that motion. [0:08:19, 0:08:20]: Is there any further discussion? [0:08:21, 0:08:22]: All in favor of motion, please indicate. [0:08:23, 0:08:29]: It's a unanimous decision. Thank you very much. Okay. Now I need a motion to adopt the rest of the agenda, please. So move. Is there a second? [0:08:29, 0:08:31]: I take it. Mr. Cant Sexton, all favor please indicate. [0:08:33, 0:08:47]: Nam is it an ambush? Okay. All right. So please review the minutes, uh review the council meeting minutes for November twelfth. We'll be able to uh approve those minutes at our next uh meeting. And Madam Proke, do we have any public comments at all? [0:08:49, 0:09:09]: All right, so unfinished business. Council consideration approved proposed right-of-way abandonment of um 10,040 square foot or two point uh excuse me.23 acre right-of-way rendement of old Atlanta Road between Clifford Court and North Henry Boulevard. And uh Mr. Gardner, are you presenting? [0:09:09, 0:09:10]: [554.0, 557.2]: Oh Miss Aaron's present. All right, Miss Aaron. [0:09:33, 0:09:33]: Ivni. [0:09:35, 0:09:36]: Good evening, everybody. Evening. [0:09:42, 0:09:43]: Didn't it? [0:09:58, 0:10:09]: Yes, miss uh the the client, the participant is requesting that the city abandon this portion of a right-of-way of Davis Road. [0:10:10, 0:10:12]: Due to the uh I mean say [0:10:13, 0:10:26]: Old Atlanta Road due to G Dot reconfiguring the intersection of Davis Road and North Henry Boulevard. So this would leave this road just abandoned and also it would bisect this property. [0:10:26, 0:10:34]: Uh you'll have it running down the middle of the property, you have a an abandoned road bed that will no longer be used and no longer be traveled by. [0:10:35, 0:10:43]: And I think that they're trying to incorporate it into the property so that it's a whole parcel instead of it being bisected by an abandoned roadway. [0:10:50, 0:10:53]: So let me move to the next slide. Next slide. [0:10:54, 0:10:56]: So this is let me [0:11:01, 0:11:17]: If you can see that, this is the site plan where it shows where the the roadway will be abandoned and incorporated into the property. And then I think they're proposing a project there as well once the property is made whole. [0:11:23, 0:11:38]: And so the total site is four point oh one acres. The building footprint is twenty nine thousand three hundred and fifty square feet. They're proposing to build a storage facility there with twenty one parking spaces and one eighty eight parking space. [0:11:41, 0:12:01]: So the zone in track one and three are zone C three, track two is zone C one, PMU, partway misuse, overlay district. Easements, there are various uh easements for sewer line construction and maintenance, but it will not impact the city or the Henry County Water Authority ability to access their UTC. [0:12:01, 0:12:03]: [727.6, 743.5]: So this road improvement that GDOT is doing on Highway 42 and at that intersection includes new sidewalks, a deceleration lane, and curb and gutter. And also on this project you'll have two stormwater management facility ponds to support this facility. [0:12:26, 0:12:28]: Are there any questions? [0:12:29, 0:12:32]: I do. Go ahead, sir. Ryan, come to the podium. [0:12:39, 0:12:59]: We talked about this and I think my congestion conjecture with this is that these two parcels being combined into one usurps the highway overlay corridor plan, which pr prohibits storage facilities from being located along North Henry Boulevard. When you combine them into one [0:12:59, 0:13:19]: One, the effect when all of this is done is that there will be a storage facility with clear view from North Henry Boulevard and frontage. Now the staff made the decision to uh move this forward without bringing it to council and then made the decision to uh do uh to zone this. [0:13:19, 0:13:22]: [806.4, 826.4]: Because the one parcel that we're talking about that you're gonna use for the parking lot, that parking lot parcel is is in is in the highway corridor. The highway corridor prohibits storage facilities from being located along North Henry Boulevard. When you combine you're allowing them to use this as a parking lot for [0:13:46, 0:13:47]: Well the storage facility. [0:13:48, 0:14:02]: When in effect that's what is going on here. You will be they will be able to use this frontage uh as the parking lot using that right away abandonment that we are proposed that you are proposing to move through this area. [0:14:03, 0:14:15]: So the staff did not zone this property. This property has been zoned C three prior to any of us being here. I mean the one right at the interstate, right at North Henry Boulevard, is in the highway corridor. [0:14:15, 0:14:23]: So no, I'm I'm trying to correct the record because it was said that the staff zoned the property without bringing it forward to council and that is not [0:14:23, 0:14:26]: A correct statement. Staff did not zone this property. [0:14:26, 0:14:35]: This property has been, it's a legacy zoning, has been zoned like most properties along that corridor, either C1, C2, C three, [0:14:35, 0:14:38]: high industrial or low industrial along that corridor. [0:14:39, 0:14:39]: Right. [0:14:39, 0:14:47]: Um so the city the staff did not arbitrarily zone this property. The property has already been zoned, I think as the staff it showed. [0:14:48, 0:14:53]: Part of this property, the old roadbed, the dear oxing to abandon, is the area right through here. [0:14:53, 0:14:56]: If you can see it on your on your screens. [0:14:56, 0:15:04]: Right, the dissects their property. So there's a piece of their property that's here. Mr. Gardner. Can you see it on your screen in there? [0:15:04, 0:15:08]: Can you see my cursor? It's not showing up on the big map. Can you see it on here? No. [0:15:10, 0:15:15]: Okay. So if you if you're looking at the plan, you will see a dark line [0:15:15, 0:15:20]: With little two arrows next to it, where their main drive is coming off of Old Atlanta Road. [0:15:21, 0:15:26]: That all a lana road goes through their property where you see those dark lines. [0:15:26, 0:15:29]: And goes into North Henry Boulevard. [0:15:29, 0:15:33]: So there's a piece of their property right here that's [0:15:33, 0:15:39]: Um, on one side of the Old Orlanta Road and then there's the major portion of it that's actually on [0:15:40, 0:15:41]: Um [0:15:41, 0:16:00]: off of the other side of Old Order Road that's gonna be abandoned. So it dissects their property right on the edge on the northern, on the eastern, western side of the property line, right here. Right. Um I'm not seeing that. Is there a way that you can show some type of arrow or something pointer so people understand what you're talking about? [0:16:01, 0:16:05]: No, I'm using the mouse, it doesn't show it. Um [0:16:05, 0:16:08]: So the best way to gauge it [0:16:08, 0:16:12]: Um Jesus. Without y'all being able to see, we don't have a pointer on here. [0:16:13, 0:16:16]: Hold on, let me do this. Let's take it out of this mode. [0:16:19, 0:16:27]: Can you see my mouse now? We can see the arrow now. Okay. So the road is being abandoned right next to Walmart, which is Davis Road. No, no, sir. No, sir. No, sir. [0:16:29, 0:16:33]: So the abandonment is this piece of property right here. [0:16:34, 0:16:35]: Right through here. [0:16:36, 0:16:39]: That's the old roadway right there where there are driveways coming out of. [0:16:40, 0:16:50]: GDOT is reconfiguring Old Atlanta Road so it doesn't come in at that funky angle. It comes in more at a ninety-degree angle, which is your typical road section. So that's where it's coming through here. [0:16:51, 0:16:55]: So their property technically does not actually front on [0:16:55, 0:17:02]: Well, the project doesn't front on or do have a driveway off of Eastern Lana Road, it has a driveway off of Old Atlanta Road. [0:17:03, 0:17:03]: Right. [0:17:04, 0:17:13]: So there's parcel number three that's a remnant piece of their property. When Old Atlanta Road was built, yeah well however long ago that was, it dissected their their property. [0:17:13, 0:17:26]: So the majority of the property is over here. There's another piece here just becoming because Davis Road is actually also being realigned in this process. So Davis Road currently goes in that configuration. [0:17:27, 0:17:28]: Red comes in straight down at angle. [0:17:29, 0:17:31]: The new alignment brings it and curves it. [0:17:31, 0:17:32]: And gives it two. [0:17:32, 0:17:35]: Where you can go north or you can go straight across. [0:17:35, 0:17:44]: So that's the new alignment for the road, for Davis Road. So there are two roads being d being relocated or realigned on this as it relates to this parcel. [0:17:45, 0:17:48]: So they're reflecting a driveway off of Ola Lana Road. [0:17:48, 0:17:54]: and a driveway off of Davis Road directly across from the access into the Walmart shopping centre. [0:17:55, 0:17:56]: Now as it relates to [0:17:57, 0:18:03]: The overlay district, the overlay district only actually affects tract number two. [0:18:04, 0:18:07]: from the overlay district map. And correct me if I'm wrong. [0:18:08, 0:18:09]: It only affects track number two. [0:18:10, 0:18:12]: Which is this piece of property here is in the overlay. [0:18:13, 0:18:20]: Because this property already had frontage off of an old road, it was never seen as being along the corridor of [0:18:20, 0:18:23]: Highway forty two, that's why it wasn't designated. [0:18:23, 0:18:29]: as part of the overlay district because it didn't have any frontage on and there was a road separating it from [0:18:30, 0:18:31]: From the highway. [0:18:31, 0:18:34]: So that's the reason why it wasn't included in the overlay district. [0:18:35, 0:18:40]: So only a small portion of the property is actually in the overlay district, which is track number two. [0:18:41, 0:18:56]: Now the applicant, I guess, could decide whether or not they want to comply with some of the with the route regulations as it relates to, but the portion that they're proposing to put the storage facility on, proposed storage facility on is actually zone C three and it's outside of the overlay district. [0:18:58, 0:19:01]: They are reflecting ten foot sidewalks along their property boundaries. [0:19:02, 0:19:16]: Um pretty much along the exits there are no sidewalks existing on that side of the road as of today. So this will be the first segment. If if approved, this will be the first segment that'll start that ten foot sidewalk on the [0:19:16, 0:19:20]: north side of Davis Road. There's sidewalks on the south side of Davis Road on the [0:19:20, 0:19:22]: Walm outside, those are five feet. [0:19:22, 0:19:24]: This would be ten feet on the opposite side. [0:19:30, 0:19:45]: I guess the confusion was again when they when they do open up and the road is actually widened, they it's going to accomplish the same task. But again, I guess it's on a technicality that it will have frontage on North Henry Boulevard. [0:19:51, 0:20:00]: Because the building will be actually if you look at the rendering that you're giving, man, it will be feet from North Henry Boulevard and so will the parking spaces. [0:20:01, 0:20:07]: on that side angle'cause it's it's fronted toward Davis Road, but look at the side of the building. [0:20:07, 0:20:18]: The parking lot is right literally right there bordering North the future North Henry Boulevard. So yes, they will have you'll be able to see them from North Henry Boulevard of Highway forty two. [0:20:19, 0:20:28]: they won't have an access off of Highway forty two, onto Highway forty two at all. Their access is coming off of Old Atlanta Road. But let me go through this exercise. [0:20:29, 0:20:31]: So this is what we're talking about right now. [0:20:32, 0:20:37]: So this road is now going to be a line. Old Atlanta Road is turning right here. [0:20:39, 0:20:48]: Actually turning there. It's no longer going down at this funky angle close to the intersection. Davis Road is going to be proposed to go similar to this angle here. [0:20:48, 0:20:50]: So those roads are being [0:20:51, 0:20:52]: Realign. [0:20:55, 0:21:03]: Right. And in the end of this, what's going to happen is what is proposed is that that section along Davis Road will be used for the parking lot. [0:21:04, 0:21:11]: So they have yes, two parking lots, they have a parking lot. So we right back in the highway corridor with a parking lot for the building. [0:21:12, 0:21:15]: So as it relates to the so I can show you all [0:21:52, 0:21:56]: So here's the property in question. This property here is in the PMU. [0:21:58, 0:22:00]: They're a remnant piece of property. [0:22:01, 0:22:05]: That's right there is not in the PMU. [0:22:06, 0:22:09]: Everything else in that area is in the PMU overlay district. [0:22:10, 0:22:12]: This is in the overlay PME district. [0:22:12, 0:22:16]: This is the piece where they're proposing the C three. It's not in the PMU. [0:22:18, 0:22:23]: Okay, so what you're saying pretty much is the abandonment is in that top section. [0:22:24, 0:22:44]: This is the bondament here. So the top section there is not uh in the parkway overlay. That is correct. But the future plans call for a parking lot along Davis Road for this business that is in the parkway court. So what there will be restrictions placed on the Davis Park Davis Road parcel. [0:22:43, 0:22:56]: Not allowing that because it's in the parkway corridor, sir. Or they ask have to ask for a variant. Sir, this piece of parcel here is their remnant parcel. As you can tell, there's no PMU requirements under that parcel. [0:22:56, 0:23:12]: I I'm talking about the I'm talking about the section that fronts Davis Road for future development. The one that fronts David Road Davis Road is in the parkway over Lake Hart. So what is planned for that? This parcel here, sir? No, no, the parcel that fronts Davis Road. [0:23:12, 0:23:15]: Davis Road. That piece right there. Crack two. [0:23:15, 0:23:16]: That track too. [0:23:16, 0:23:21]: Right there, track two obviously has nothing in it. There's nothing there. It's a vacant track of property. [0:23:21, 0:23:41]: Right. So what I won't don't want to happen is for us to uh abandon this land and then for them to at some point put another parking lot right there which will give frontage which will basically bring it all the way up to Davis Road and then North Henry Boulevard, which is in the parkway corridor. Right. [0:23:41, 0:23:57]: So according to staff, they cannot put a parking lot on track number three. That's not allowed to put a a parking lot on track number three. Now they could fit a Dave and Buster's ice cream shop on that piece of property. As you can tell, that property is high is triangular shaped. [0:23:57, 0:24:00]: And you see the building footprint of that building. [0:24:00, 0:24:03]: Of that property right there makes it almost [0:24:03, 0:24:04]: Almost unusable. [0:24:05, 0:24:23]: Now, I say Dave and Buster's cause you know Daven Buster's ice cream is a little small, a little two sharks. So it's it's not it's not a track that that's a highly buildable track, but can it be? Yeah. If you're gonna build something small like that, you probably could fit it on there. [0:24:24, 0:24:30]: Um, but in essence, whatever gets built in there would have to conform with the requirements of the PMU. [0:24:34, 0:24:42]: Do you understand? You understand what I'm saying? Which is not allowing the parking lot to be put. Not allowing a parking lot to be put there. Yes, sir. [0:24:44, 0:24:53]: So as you can tell from this plan that they that they have here, all their parking is located um close to the building up here and here and as [0:24:53, 0:24:57]: Most folks know in storage facility they don't have a lot of parking per se. [0:24:57, 0:24:58]: Um [0:24:59, 0:25:07]: And my understanding of this is it's highly in it's all interior. It's not your typical old section um [0:25:07, 0:25:11]: storage facility. But like I said, as it relates to the two acres [0:25:11, 0:25:31]: That that's uh literally just under an acre of property when you consider it. Nothing can get built over here because there's no buildable area here. The buildable area that they have is what you see in that dotted line right here is considered their buildable area. Yeah, th that's what I'm saying. See, I don't wanna get to the few point where [0:25:31, 0:25:51]: The building is expanded into this area or the parking lot is expanded into the area. That is not I think that should be the conditions. So that building can't go in that area. They cannot. Right, that's what I'm saying. I think that's a good idea. [0:25:51, 0:26:11]: toward North Enry Boulevard and they cannot put a parking lot there, which is expand the parking lot for the existing building. It would be it would need to be another, it would need to be, as you suggested, another business there on this particular low low point. Your current code, your PMU, [0:26:11, 0:26:14]: [1575.5, 1588.7]: a storage facility in there so they cannot expand into that area. It restricts a standalone parking in that area so they can't do it. Okay. Um so you could put a condition, but you're conditioning what's already prohibited under the code. [0:26:29, 0:26:34]: But that's fine. Um and this is not a rezoning, so I d you can't put a conditional zoning on it. [0:26:34, 0:26:38]: 'cause it's not a rezoning. It's just the abandonment portion. [0:26:39, 0:26:59]: Say again that track is not even part of the project, it's just reference on the survey. Right, but it's actually still in the PMU. It's it's owned by that track, I think, is still coming by again. I just want to make sure that there's no there's no uh anything else that's been planned for this area. They're not expanding on expanding the building or the parts. [0:26:59, 0:27:03]: parking lot in this area. If that is the case, then that's pretty much all we can do. [0:27:04, 0:27:07]: Your your current code, your PMU restricts them. [0:27:07, 0:27:12]: moving in that direction that you just explained. They cannot expand into area number two. [0:27:13, 0:27:15]: They can't do that's just yeah, I get it. [0:27:16, 0:27:20]: It they cannot expand in that area because that's covered by the PMU, it's restricted. [0:27:21, 0:27:41]: Um, if they wanted to stay anywhere within track one to do any expansion, that's totally permitted because it's outside and it's zone C two, C three, as long as they can meet the parking requirements as required by the zoning district, that's it. They can only move within the footprint of that buildable area, which you currently see in the dotted line right here through here. [0:27:42, 0:27:43]: And through here. [0:27:43, 0:27:54]: That's the buildable area. They can move to shift the building back and forth in that area all they want, but they cannot go outside of that area without coming before you for a variance. Yeah, it's it's pretty clear that this was pretty smart. [0:27:55, 0:28:05]: I mean you beat you're gonna have a storage building in along North Henry Boulevard because you thought before you thought outside the box and beat us to the punch. [0:28:06, 0:28:07]: Any other questions at all? [0:28:09, 0:28:12]: This is my district. [0:28:13, 0:28:29]: Okay. So Michelle was what I asked was for additional information be sent to me. It wasn't sent to me. We didn't get any additional information. Additional information was not sent to me by staff. That is what the directive was. Ma'am, we didn't get any additional information. [0:28:29, 0:28:41]: only responded to Councilman Alexander just like you're discussing with him right now. He was asking I am responsible for the people who live in this district. [0:28:41, 0:28:43]: I have asked for over a month. [0:28:44, 0:28:47]: Since Miss Battle called me more than a month ago. [0:28:48, 0:28:51]: I asked specifically about this information. [0:28:51, 0:28:53]: What I don't like is being blindsided. [0:28:54, 0:28:58]: What I've asked is that staff provide routine updates. [0:28:58, 0:29:03]: regarding anything that's going on in city council district four. [0:29:03, 0:29:10]: I don't like coming to these meetings and having other council members speaking to my district. [0:29:10, 0:29:13]: about information I should be provided. [0:29:15, 0:29:20]: I don't wanna be provided information by a council person who's only shared what he wants me to know. [0:29:24, 0:29:26]: I cannot support this. [0:29:26, 0:29:29]: I won't support it, it's based on principle. [0:29:29, 0:29:40]: I understand the whole abandonment idea. The city doesn't have any use for this particular piece of parcel. I get it, but it's about principle. [0:29:40, 0:29:45]: I'm not going to allow no one on this council to disrespect me. [0:29:45, 0:29:47]: Я намна конала стаф. [0:29:47, 0:29:49]: To disrespect me either. [0:29:50, 0:29:52]: I've sent a n I've sent [0:29:52, 0:29:53]: Two. [0:29:54, 0:29:54]: Emails. [0:29:55, 0:30:00]: I've gotten couple of calls or contacts from Miss Battle. [0:30:00, 0:30:01]: And still nothing. [0:30:03, 0:30:04]: This storage facility. [0:30:05, 0:30:08]: Із рай і недол' резиденціл. [0:30:09, 0:30:16]: There's commercial on the other side, but those residents deserve to know what's happening in their district. [0:30:17, 0:30:23]: We're not sending out newsletters, you're not providing updates to the council person who's supposed to be representing them. [0:30:24, 0:30:39]: That's what I'm upset about. So I can't support it. I won't support it. And I know there's other development that's going on there. However, I'm not being apprised of what's happening here. Seems like at least one council member knows, not me though. [0:30:41, 0:30:46]: [1846.6, 1866.6]: I had not have any contact to discuss these items. I wanted to discuss them in public because I raised this contention when it was brought up here the first time is that this facility in general would not have been allowed if this was in the Parkway Corridor. Staff has clarified the parking lot. [0:31:06, 0:31:26]: And is the parking this particular parcel that is owned is in the in the parkway mixed use district. That was just clarified tonight. There was no other discussions by myself. My contention in discussing this was was this allowed in the parkway corridor? And staff has attempted to [0:31:26, 0:31:46]: Correct that, but certainly there hasn't been any discussions outside of these to uh to discuss this. I was with I was the one who spearheaded the highway corridor plan all over the city. That's why I know that this was a potential issue because it sets standards not just in my district, it sets [0:31:46, 0:32:03]: standards all over the city for the ten foot path, the frontage, the back, the front setback, the side setback. It said everything for that corridor and it specifically prohibits certain businesses from going along major corridors. That's why I asked the question. It had nothing to do with where it was located at. Thank you. [0:32:03, 0:32:08]: Any any further questions for the council? We're good? Oh yes, ma'am, go ahead, please. [0:32:08, 0:32:15]: Where where would the unit start? It won't be on the frontage of the road, would it? [0:32:15, 0:32:27]: Do would the plan be I I mean, I'm trying to figure out where the units would start and would the would they be willing to work with us to make sure that it's really not visible from that front frontage portion of the road. [0:32:28, 0:32:30]: So my understand [0:32:31, 0:32:33]: Miss Battle. I think Miss Battle is [0:32:33, 0:32:53]: First of all, um thank you all for taking this matter up. I know this is the second time that you all have dealt with this. I was not able to attend at the last meeting as I was out of town on vacation. So um I feel like I'm stepping into the middle of something that I was really not aware of other than what my associate told me. Um we have been working on this matter. [0:32:53, 0:33:13]: Now for a couple of months. We started out asking who was responsible for doing right-of-way abandonments. Because from our perspective, the client's perspective, the property is currently zoned to allow for a self-storage facility. But for this, they wouldn't even, we wouldn't even be here. This would be going [0:33:13, 0:33:21]: Going through normal process, getting an LD. I think they had, in fact, already submitted for their LDP, and they were moving forward because. [0:33:21, 0:33:27]: It is a permissible use under the zoning ordinance. So anytime you got a permissible use. [0:33:27, 0:33:40]: You don't come before here. There's no notices. You just see the the sign for construction or whatever that goes up. And that's that's all there is. But because this right of way had been abandoned, they felt that [0:33:40, 0:33:44]: It was better suited for them to take ownership of it. [0:33:44, 0:34:04]: so that you don't end up with dumping in the road bed still left in there. I don't know if the city was gonna try and put some type of physical barrier over there, but nobody wants that. That doesn't look good. And what they didn't want was people just kind of driving down that road and it just ends and there's nothing to happen on that street. [0:34:04, 0:34:13]: And they don't want it to look bad. So they thought that it made more sense for them to incorporate it into their project so that that was not an issue. [0:34:14, 0:34:20]: The property that is in front on track one, I just asked the client, their intent on that. [0:34:20, 0:34:26]: is to place a retail center on that property that will be in alignment [0:34:26, 0:34:27]: With what's in [0:34:28, 0:34:31]: the overlay district. So if that's allowed, I just asked staff. [0:34:31, 0:34:51]: If that's allowed in the overlay. So they are more than happy to work. I know the Economic Development Department, I've been trying to get clients to work cooperatively with them to find the types of retailers that you all might want within the city, because I know you all have a vision for what you all are trying to do. So we know. [0:34:51, 0:34:55]: I think it's T Dallas Austin who I I know well. [0:34:55, 0:34:57]: Ам Isto work with him. [0:34:57, 0:35:10]: um when he was at H. J. Russell and Company. So I know that company and we are more than happy to have them work cooperatively to get the type of retailers that you all might like. But they're not that far in the process with regards to that. [0:35:11, 0:35:16]: All they want to do is to abandon that little portion of the of the site. [0:35:17, 0:35:17]: Um [0:35:18, 0:35:38]: And to place the building itself would be on the track that is already, as I said, currently zoned and allowed for that use. To the extent that I don't know if staff is seeing the building elevations or anything like that. I don't even think they've gotten that far. So those are things that we certainly as we're [0:35:38, 0:35:58]: Going through that process, comments from the commissioner for the district, all those kind of things. To the extent that that's part of the process, we're more than happy, you know, to work through that process with you all. Um, but the intent here is not to do anything that violates the overlay or the the highway corridor portion that you all have worked so hard on. There's no intent. [0:35:58, 0:36:01]: there. But they they are allowed to do [0:36:02, 0:36:05]: the self storage facility because that's what the property is owned for. [0:36:05, 0:36:25]: Or that's what the property allows under its current zoning. So that's the only thing. That's the only reason why I came here. We went ahead, we got the appraisal that requires them to actually pay for this property. And so the appraisal has been submitted to you all. And I know that you all don't do right-of-way abandonments all the time. [0:36:25, 0:36:42]: So we appreciate that, you know, there was, I think staff was trying to figure out well who who does what, but we've worked um with staff, um, public works in order to make sure that we responded to the questions that they had with regards to this process. So um [0:36:42, 0:37:02]: Councilmember Barber, I know we had attempted to reach out to you to have discussion about it. And then I know that um Josh last or a couple of days ago sent you some additional information about the project to give you more information. I'm not aware of what you all do from a staffing perspective, of what you need. [0:37:02, 0:37:22]: Needed or what you wanted from them. But we have been circulating this information, the site plan, the um plat, um, all the information from GDOT because the road has already been abandoned and they've already relocated, to my understanding. So all this work has been done. All that's left is this remnant road that's just sitting. [0:37:22, 0:37:42]: there um that once again we don't want to become a dumping ground um in front of this facility. So we are hopeful that we can get this done. I hate that you know we're kind of in the middle of what appears to be some disconnect between Councilmember Barber and staff, but I hope that my client does not get penalized. [0:37:42, 0:37:55]: because of any disconnect on that front, because we've tried to do everything that we were supposed to do to bring this forth appropriately. Because there wasn't a we even when we looked in your code, there was not a set [0:37:57, 0:38:02]: process like there's no application. There's no, you know, that may be something you all choose to look at. [0:38:02, 0:38:22]: uh in other jurisdictions where I do this, they have one person that kind of deals with this and then they go through a process and inform everybody and all that kind of stuff. But you all don't do this that frequently. That's more so on the county's sides when they're having to do these abandonments. So um we are just hopeful that we can go ahead and and and get this done because my client has been waiting. He's got some contractual obligations. [0:38:22, 0:38:30]: And that they're trying to meet some deadlines. And, you know, it's been a minute because we started this, I think, back in [0:38:30, 0:38:32]: My goodness, I think we sent this over in [0:38:33, 0:38:34]: July. [0:38:35, 0:38:55]: August and we're just now kind of getting around to this moment. So thank you for your presentation this textbook. If I may respond. Yes, you can just say that one step. Thank you. Thank you for everything that you've done and and hopefully you enjoyed your vacation. Got clan, so just clear your head. I did. It was my work. Get back to business. Go ahead and Councilman Barber. [0:38:57, 0:38:58]: I have the floor now. [0:38:58, 0:39:05]: Uh yes, you can go now. Thank you, Miss Battle, for being here. Um and thank you for reaching out to me. You're absolutely right, there is a disconnect. [0:39:06, 0:39:06]: Um [0:39:07, 0:39:13]: I expect that staff will provide me with information before talking to any applicant. [0:39:13, 0:39:15]: Regarding any proposed project. [0:39:16, 0:39:16]: Um [0:39:17, 0:39:19]: The council voted [0:39:19, 0:39:20]: Uh [0:39:20, 0:39:24]: Капла єрського, да whenever a application is submitted. [0:39:24, 0:39:26]: By business. [0:39:26, 0:39:30]: That we be if it is approved or acceptable. [0:39:31, 0:39:33]: The ones that you all don't have to bring to the council for approval. [0:39:34, 0:39:36]: We want to be apprised of that. [0:39:37, 0:39:39]: Now that we have districts, I'm responsible. [0:39:40, 0:39:44]: To provide answers to those residents and business owners in the area. [0:39:45, 0:40:05]: What I've asked, Mr. Gardner, I've seen you mouthing over here. So if you have any questions, you can stand up here. I don't mind us having some discussions. I'm directing my comments to staff. Oh, okay. But you seem to be pretty disrespectful over here in the corner with your frowns. Okay. Nonetheless, I asked. [0:40:05, 0:40:13]: Multiple times of staff to provide me with details in regards to whatever it was Ms. Battle was sending to me. [0:40:14, 0:40:15]: I didn't get anything. [0:40:15, 0:40:16]: What I did get [0:40:17, 0:40:23]: Um on I guess Friday was an email that Mr. Alexander forwarded. [0:40:24, 0:40:28]: From community development with the city manager on copy. [0:40:28, 0:40:30]: He forwarded to the council. [0:40:31, 0:40:37]: The directive at our last meeting was that the city manager appris the council [0:40:37, 0:40:39]: Representative of that area. [0:40:40, 0:40:41]: Of what was going on. [0:40:42, 0:40:45]: To provide me more information. That didn't happen. [0:40:46, 0:40:49]: Other than what I just heard here today. [0:40:50, 0:40:52]: That is not the way we should do business. [0:40:53, 0:40:54]: It is not. [0:40:58, 0:40:59]: Respectfully. [0:40:59, 0:41:09]: The information that was submitted in the zoning pa in the abandonment pocket that came to you guys included everything that staff had gotten up until today. [0:41:09, 0:41:17]: Right. I cannot control if somebody sends an email back and forth because obviously I get a thousand emails. [0:41:17, 0:41:18]: All right. [0:41:18, 0:41:23]: But as it relates specifically to the democ the dimensions of this project. [0:41:23, 0:41:34]: The abandonment of this project, the appraisal of this project that was asked for, those things were provided to this council as a whole last week or the week before when the pocket came to you guys. [0:41:35, 0:41:35]: Right? [0:41:35, 0:41:45]: We've done our best to apprise you guys of all of the zoning issues that come in, but once again, this this no it's not a zoning. This came through as an abandonment through the public works department. And so my apologies [0:41:46, 0:41:48]: For us not getting that information out. [0:41:48, 0:41:53]: I've already informed the staff that we'll be sending out that general information, whatever it is that's happening. [0:41:53, 0:41:58]: Бо іти з дифорфою і сам вус и мофис і ся ам тим а. [0:41:58, 0:42:00]: Floating a balloon on [0:42:01, 0:42:02]: First street. [0:42:02, 0:42:09]: And then it doesn't happen. And I send that to you, you're gonna ask me what happened to the balloon. Well, it didn't happen. They didn't apply for a permit, it was a thought. [0:42:11, 0:42:12]: A concept. [0:42:13, 0:42:16]: Right? The time it takes to do that for everybody's district. [0:42:18, 0:42:22]: We only t send it for information when concrete stuff comes before us. [0:42:22, 0:42:26]: Not the fact that somebody walks in my office and says, I'm thinking about doing something. [0:42:27, 0:42:32]: I might put that in there that I met with a certain person, but until they submit something concrete to us. [0:42:33, 0:42:36]: Why am I gonna flood you guys with that type of information that it might not bear fruit? [0:42:40, 0:42:54]: But we put together the pocket that included all of the information that we were given. I asked them if they had elevations of the project and that if we got those elevations from them that I would submit it to everybody. I did not get any elevations. So I therefore I had nothing to submit. [0:42:55, 0:43:05]: They are you asked for presentation, so staff put together the pre this this to include information that you already had in your pocket to kind of put it in a presentation format. That's what was asked for when we did that. [0:43:07, 0:43:14]: When this information was provided to um me or brought to my attention by Miss Battle. [0:43:14, 0:43:19]: I don't know if she was speaking about this or some other proposed development. [0:43:19, 0:43:22]: But you know once a permit has been filed for. [0:43:23, 0:43:24]: I wanna know. [0:43:25, 0:43:28]: Whether it's approved or goes through the full process. [0:43:29, 0:43:30]: I wanna know. [0:43:30, 0:43:34]: And that is the discussion that the council had каплис-го. [0:43:35, 0:43:38]: What I do not want is any other council member. [0:43:39, 0:43:44]: having influence on what's going on in my district without me knowing what's happening. [0:43:45, 0:43:50]: I know that this is not the o only development that's coming to that particular area. [0:43:51, 0:44:01]: It's clear to me, although you all still have not provided me with any information on proposed developments that are being discussed in that area. [0:44:01, 0:44:07]: I know that there is. The second point I wanted to make is there is a public storage facility. [0:44:08, 0:44:09]: About a malloway. [0:44:11, 0:44:21]: So are we only is our vision only to uplift those that live off the Jodico Road and Walt Stevens Road area? What about the other areas of our city? [0:44:21, 0:44:28]: that needs to be revitalized. Is a public storage facility all that we have that we can bring to the area? [0:44:29, 0:44:37]: Those are the kind of statements and questions that I get all the time. So since you're sending me out here by myself to try to explain to the public. [0:44:38, 0:44:40]: What plans we have for that area? [0:44:40, 0:44:44]: I'm asking for answers from staff first. [0:44:45, 0:45:04]: I asked months ago. Relax for a second. Point of order. I asked months ago and I got no answer. Along with several other emails that I've been sending recently and I'm not getting responses. So I don't know if staff is being told not to respond to my emails. They are point of order. But it needs to stop. [0:45:04, 0:45:14]: Today. What's your point? What's your point of order? If there are any um uh we are a body of um [0:45:16, 0:45:23]: Civics, civilization. Um, if there are any complaints in regards to [0:45:23, 0:45:43]: um staff or disgruntle agreements. That's something that we can talk about in executive session. At this point in time losing battle. Could y'all just go along at this point in time, what we are supposed to be talking about is this particular issue that's on the floor right now, that's on the agenda. And I think we have strayed far away from that. [0:45:43, 0:45:50]: We are now in a broad spectrum in regards to districts and who can say what about people's districts. [0:45:50, 0:45:53]: And I think that we need to go back and narrowly [0:45:53, 0:45:58]: discuss what the agenda item issue is as of right now. I think it's gotten [0:45:59, 0:46:02]: Um, a little bit out of hand in regards to finger pointing. [0:46:03, 0:46:07]: And blaming and um we did get this information last week. [0:46:07, 0:46:08]: That's why we [0:46:08, 0:46:12]: We got we postponed to get additional information which we've received. [0:46:12, 0:46:17]: And so it you know, I just think that we need to narrowly scope it back to the agenda item. [0:46:18, 0:46:30]: I concur with that I would ask to speak next because I wanted to clarify something. Staff did not reach out to me. I proactive staff was responding to an email that I sent. [0:46:31, 0:46:32]: After our meeting [0:46:33, 0:46:53]: I had some concern about this project being located in the highway court. So I asked staff that question. I proactively forwarded the message to the rest of the council because of my concern, because I had reached out. Any individual council member could have done the same thing that I did. [0:46:53, 0:46:58]: I did. I did as well. What part of that don't you understand? I didn't hope I got no answer. [0:46:58, 0:47:00]: Not only that, I [0:47:01, 0:47:04]: What actually happened was I was dismissed. [0:47:05, 0:47:12]: I was told that, oh well this applicant knows the process. I'll I'll talk I'll reach out to them. [0:47:12, 0:47:13]: That's all I got. [0:47:14, 0:47:27]: That's all I'm saying. I wanted to know specifically listen, what I'm not going to do is sit here and play games with any of you on this. This is something that is affecting the district that I am representing. [0:47:27, 0:47:33]: So to send information to the council as a whole, that's great. But do you not think [0:47:33, 0:47:35]: That it would be respectful. [0:47:35, 0:47:55]: of the person who's representing the district to at least get the information first or at least be apprised of the information mayor first. Because that never happens in my district. Mayor. While you all are discussing order again the district that I represent. You're leaving a person out of it. Mayor supposed to be speaking for the people who live in [0:47:55, 0:47:56]: Yeah. [0:47:57, 0:48:07]: So I'm not gonna keep playing these games with you all. I am not. What I'm expecting is for staff to do the job they've been hired to do. [0:48:07, 0:48:27]: To point of order. What I'm expecting is discussing interference. Executive sessions. That's what I'm expecting. Now, we all had a week to go and call and ask our questions. [0:48:27, 0:48:47]: We knew this was coming up. We postponed. We heard all the information, the last meeting. There's no need of us throwing blame and crying out victim because we all had the opportunity to ask our questions. I call Mr. Gardner myself and ask questions. It doesn't matter. [0:48:47, 0:49:00]: Three years ago, two years ago, we didn't have districts. I don't look at Stockbridge as districts. I look at it as our responsibility to make sure that we are doing what's in the best interest of Stockbridge in general. [0:49:00, 0:49:20]: I made a motion last week to postpone because I was uncomfortable out of respect of the comments that Councilwoman Barber made and the questions she had. Councilwoman Barber can pick up the phone like everybody else. We get a paid cell phone by the city. And she could have called our uh called Mr. Gardner and if she did, if she didn't still understand it. [0:49:20, 0:49:40]: Call and if she didn't understand it, so be I'm not gonna play these games. I'm not going to allow you to keep playing Mayor Ford. You can move this meeting along. Move this meeting along. We're not. Let's vote on the item and move it along. What I'm not going to do is keep sending emails after emails calls after calls for them to ignore me. [0:49:40, 0:49:45]: Calm down. Calm down. Carry on with this meeting. Calm down. [0:49:46, 0:49:50]: Calm down. All right. Mr Gardner, come back to the podium, please. [0:49:51, 0:49:52]: All right, now [0:49:53, 0:50:08]: Yes, we have districts. Every we have district representation, but it's still a concern that even though you have districts and you have representatives for districts, the entire council has concern about the entire city. And hold on, don't tell me to move on. I allowed you to speak plenty. [0:50:09, 0:50:15]: Now what it amounts to, if anybody has any concern about things going, I'm the one that it's voted on city wide. [0:50:15, 0:50:20]: Period. We all part of the team. It's always been that way. Hold on now. Did I interrupt you? [0:50:23, 0:50:40]: We're all part of a team, regardless. No matter what you represent, we're all part of a team elected by the people. We need to represent the people properly. And obviously obviously the staff's do gotta do their job. There's opportunities and things for for you to talk to the staff, call the staff, filter everything through the city manager. That can be done. [0:50:40, 0:50:42]: Always she's always available. [0:50:42, 0:50:45]: If he's not to keep working with it or come here to visit. [0:50:46, 0:50:50]: Well we gotta make clear we run things and do things properly here, folks. We're getting out of hand. [0:50:51, 0:51:00]: And y yes, I put some managing meeting, but it also takes your control and your assets and your concern for one another and respect for one another to make sure we're doing things right. [0:51:00, 0:51:02]: All right? So listen. [0:51:02, 0:51:07]: Yes, we have council districts. I got that. But regardless of that. [0:51:07, 0:51:13]: We all have a interest special interest in what goes on in the city, period, because not one person, not even I. [0:51:13, 0:51:20]: Have mass control. I don't have total control. None of us have total control. It's all team effort. It takes three to move anything. [0:51:21, 0:51:23]: Whether I like it or not, it takes three. [0:51:24, 0:51:29]: We need to understand that. It's a team effort, always a team effort. And mom always talking about team. [0:51:29, 0:51:47]: I'll move on when I'm ready. I'll move see now you want to be argument. I didn't need to be able to do that. I don't need you lecturing me, that's for sure. I'm not well. We have a sensor at this. Wow. Okay. Let me if I could stand by one stand by one second, please. Okay. [0:51:48, 0:51:55]: Uh Mr. Gardner, I'm sorry about all this happening the way it is. You just gotta maintain your composure as best as possible. You and the staff. You just gotta continue to do that, sir. All right? [0:51:56, 0:52:16]: Mr. Alexander, go ahead, please. Yeah, so uh to get us right back on target. The options are to abandon this property or not to abandon this property. So what are the other options? If the city does not choose to abandon the property, then what are the options we what are the other options? We turned it into a [0:52:16, 0:52:23]: A pocket park, we maintain it. What are the options? If we use it as an easement, what are the other options so we have everything on the table? [0:52:27, 0:52:35]: Just about this subject. That stretch of road that you see in front of you, if you if if the council chooses not to abandon it. [0:52:35, 0:52:42]: We will have to maintain that little strip and perpetuity until such time that the city sees that it wants to abandon it. [0:52:42, 0:52:46]: And if the person that owns the adjacent property on both sides of it wants to take it. [0:52:47, 0:52:48]: Um [0:52:48, 0:53:08]: The other effect of that is obviously we know that this has been an area where homeless folks have been encamping along that Davis Road area. Obviously, that takes this location with the development of the property takes it off the map for folks to be homeless and hiding in the bush. Um, the public works director could tell you that we've spent time and effort um cleaning [0:53:08, 0:53:09]: Yeah. [0:53:09, 0:53:24]: Um and Councilmember Barber knows that when she gets the call and we get the call, we go out there and we try to clean up and those folks go into the tree line in that area right there. Um so that's always an issue and that that will if that road is abandoned, it's probably gonna become a haven for those folks to come back to. [0:53:25, 0:53:40]: Um if it's not, it's gonna be there. And obviously we'll have to to um barrier it off at this point, um right about here. Mm-hmm. It'll have to the rotor is turning right there. [0:53:40, 0:53:47]: Right. That that think that store is now gone. But right along this area where the road turns and goes towards [0:53:48, 0:53:50]: No, Henry Boulevard right there. [0:53:50, 0:53:54]: Okay, so so that stretch from pretty much from right there to here. [0:53:55, 0:54:00]: we would have to put a barrier up right here. Um GDOT is already creating a barrier on that end. [0:54:01, 0:54:05]: And so we will be charged with maintaining the right of ways in this area. [0:54:05, 0:54:06]: And obviously, you know. [0:54:07, 0:54:09]: What's gonna happen is folks gonna come there and they're gonna dump or they're gonna [0:54:10, 0:54:12]: put pitch up home distance'cause it's [0:54:12, 0:54:13]: Behind screening. [0:54:13, 0:54:14]: Um [0:54:14, 0:54:23]: The applicant owns this piece already, this little slither of a piece of property they own, so the road pretty much bisects their property on both sides. [0:54:24, 0:54:32]: Um so obviously from their standpoint it makes sense to control that whole piece of property, incorporate it as part of the project and make it happen. If not, [0:54:32, 0:54:35]: Obviously you can tell from the diagram, they can walk around it. [0:54:36, 0:54:37]: Um [0:54:37, 0:54:38]: And we'll have to maintain it. [0:54:41, 0:54:44]: Mr Thomas, you haven't said anything. Do you have any comments there at all? [0:54:45, 0:54:48]: Uh I I do not mayor um [0:54:51, 0:55:03]: What I really wanna say, uh uh I'm not going to say because it sort of just goes back into the argument part of it. But I do wanna thank Mr. Gardner um for that explanation and [0:55:05, 0:55:06]: I'll just say that [0:55:07, 0:55:27]: We all are concerned about the city. And it's always a uh a group decision on anything to move. And I just want us to keep that in focus that and as you indicated, Mayor, it does take us as a team, it does take a consensus of council to move any agenda item. And I just think we just [0:55:27, 0:55:38]: need to sort of be a little bit more understanding and be a little bit more cordial. Um and you know, and I think Mr. Garden sort of indicated too when it comes to the staff. [0:55:39, 0:55:40]: So we just have to try to [0:55:41, 0:56:01]: uh work together as a counselor and as a staff to get the best information. And so that's the reason I asked Mr. Gardner uh about the other item. He said that um the staff needed to do some research and I would just encourage was that information coming back to the council. But you know, just basically we we just need to understand [0:56:01, 0:56:09]: Understand our role, understand the role of counsel, understand the role of staff, and put that together and be more efficient. [0:56:09, 0:56:11]: more effective [0:56:11, 0:56:31]: In moving our great city forward. And that's always been my concern. And I always talk about uh processes, procedures, and and I think when we sort of stay in that area, in those boundaries, then things really move forward. Thank you, Mayor, for asking. You're welcome, sir. No problem. On that note, I would imagine we have [0:56:31, 0:56:38]: I have a comment I'd like to well question I'd like to ask Mirror Four. [0:56:38, 0:56:42]: My hand was raised. As usual you ignore me, so I have to assert myself. [0:56:43, 0:56:45]: Mr. Gardner, that little side street. [0:56:46, 0:56:50]: Um is that the side street that leads to the residential homes back there? [0:56:51, 0:56:58]: Because there is a subdivision or neighborhood back there. So how do those residents exit? [0:56:58, 0:56:59]: Their neighborhood. [0:57:00, 0:57:02]: If that street is [0:57:02, 0:57:03]: Closed off. [0:57:03, 0:57:04]: Yeah, just take it back. I don't [0:57:10, 0:57:11]: It's not shown up up here. [0:57:12, 0:57:13]: So we can't see. [0:57:15, 0:57:24]: Excuse me. So the road, Old Orlanta Road that they were using to access off of, it's actually going to turn like I mentioned. It's gonna turn and it's gonna go [0:57:26, 0:57:28]: Uh go back opposite way. [0:57:32, 0:57:34]: The road actually goes turns right about here. [0:57:36, 0:57:38]: And goes out to [0:57:38, 0:57:45]: Or um out out to Highway forty two right there. Okay, so there will be only are they able to turn left and right? [0:57:45, 0:57:49]: When they exit from that point, when they get to North Henry Boulevard. [0:57:50, 0:57:51]: To forty two. [0:57:52, 0:57:57]: This access point that you just shared next to this dentist office. [0:58:02, 0:58:03]: Will that be accessible? [0:58:04, 0:58:11]: So right here, we see where this is the road now that everybody uses. They come straight down that road and goes to [0:58:11, 0:58:22]: to highway forty two. So the road turns right where I showed you that building is. So they'll be able to turn, come out of their subdivision, come down the road, turn and go either north or south. Um [0:58:25, 0:58:26]: Well, they're gonna be able to just go north. [0:58:27, 0:58:33]: on North Henry Boulevard, does this look like this is a median right here. So they can only do right in and right out. [0:58:33, 0:58:34]: As I thought. [0:58:35, 0:58:45]: Thank you, sir. Yes, ma'am. And as it relates to the property as a whole, Miss Barber, when it comes down to it from we don't recruit, obviously I think as Miss Battle said, [0:58:46, 0:58:51]: Everyone here that owns property has rights in those properties, whether it's a house or business or raw land. [0:58:52, 0:58:56]: Right. And what controls that is what it is zoned for. [0:58:57, 0:59:04]: And those zoning costs permitted uses. So if a person owns a piece of property and they want to build a house in its own residential, [0:59:05, 0:59:25]: They're gonna just come and pull permits to build their house once they get the architect. Same thing with a business. If a person owns a commercial piece of property, they're gonna look to come to us to ask, hey, can I put an ice cream shop on this property? It's zone C3 or C2, and we're gonna say yes. And at that point, they're just gonna go ahead and move forward because that's their business. [0:59:25, 0:59:27]: business aspiration for their piece of property. [0:59:27, 0:59:31]: So in a situation like that where we're not out recruiting. [0:59:32, 0:59:33]: Generically things happen. [0:59:34, 0:59:40]: Um and those things happen, and the only time we do see them is when they come in for permits. If somebody's building a house on five acres. [0:59:40, 0:59:43]: That they're just gonna come in when they come to bill. [0:59:43, 0:59:49]: Um there are times when yes, when we can go out if we're part, you know, we see areas that we wanna see get done and [0:59:50, 1:00:09]: you know, those owners um are willing to work with us, especially what we did on Patrick Henry with working with the few landowners that were in the city, we were able to accomplish that. But like small three acre, two acre, one acre tracks like that, it's much more difficult to control or know when that person's gonna bring something in. And that's what makes it difficult. [1:00:09, 1:00:11]: Um from that standpoint. [1:00:11, 1:00:13]: Uh but typically, you know [1:00:13, 1:00:33]: We typically see it when it comes through when they submit for a land disturbance or they submit for a building plan. And that's typically most your generic stuff, how that happens. Um it's not like we're out recruiting anybody specific, but we would love to see certain things come. And if we you know, if the applicant, the owner of the property is willing to discuss with us beforehand. [1:00:33, 1:00:37]: Yeah, that's an opportunity for us to say, hey, we would like to see this in this area. [1:00:37, 1:00:54]: Um and then we try to advocate for it, but obviously it's gotta make business sense for them. Right? Because as much as me w want something to come to our community, if they don't think they're gonna be able to make money off of it, they're not gonna go. They're gonna go with the area where they think they're gonna make money because nobody is in business to lose money. [1:00:54, 1:00:56]: Or to lose whatever investment they put into something. [1:00:57, 1:00:59]: Right, we don't try to operate at a loss. [1:01:00, 1:01:20]: Right. So that's kind of the dynamics of how it happens. Some things we could intentionalize, some things happen generically, and when we try to control it is when it comes through the process. Okay. Are you aware of any other developments that come after this in this same vicinity? No, ma'am, not that I know of, other than what right how that is what made it. [1:01:20, 1:01:31]: Ms. Battle was calling or reaching out to me about. Okay. So I would think that you or Mr. Anderson would be aware of what she was reaching out to me about. [1:01:31, 1:01:42]: So I don't know and I guess we bottle it update. So this is what I mean by I'm blindsided. So I don't work closely with developers. Um I typically wait. [1:01:42, 1:01:46]: Until I've had conversations with city staff about [1:01:46, 1:01:50]: what this is about. Mm-hmm. Yes, ma'am. So hearing from [1:01:51, 1:01:52]: A developer. [1:01:52, 1:01:53]: Um [1:01:54, 1:02:05]: I don't know what to say. Right. And in and in this case, obviously, because this was permitted by right, Ms. Barber, the issue was whether we the city was gonna abandon this piece of roadway or not, right? [1:02:05, 1:02:14]: Um, outside of that, yes, okay, we will uh I've already had the c discussion with Ryan that, hey, this is something we need to make sure we're intentional about doing. But [1:02:15, 1:02:35]: If this road abandonment wasn't part of it, obviously they have the right. They would have developed the property regardless. But like you said, we should notify you that something's coming in the area and we'll we'll we'll make sure we do that. And that's everybody's district moving forward. Um but yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, this we have little or no control. [1:02:35, 1:02:44]: So obviously, of other than the permitted uses that's allowed for them to put on the property. So right now they're proposing to put a permitted use on the property. [1:02:44, 1:02:45]: Um [1:02:45, 1:02:50]: You know, the decision is whether or not the city council wants to abandon the roadway or not abandon the roadway. [1:02:52, 1:02:53]: Oh, right here, please, Mr. Battle. [1:02:54, 1:03:14]: What a point of clarity. Um, Councilmember Barber, it is my belief that when something comes into your district or any of the other districts, and you can ask the other uh commissioners or council members, I call you all and let you know that I have a client that is interested in doing in something in your district, and I try to get feedback. [1:03:14, 1:03:30]: Because I don't like to bring things into districts without having some discussion with the council member to see whether or not it's even worth my client wasting their money to come into an area before going through all the site plans and [1:03:30, 1:03:50]: And all the money because it's an expensive process to go through. So I contacted you a couple of weeks ago because I have a client that wants to do something on the other side, not on this side of North Henry Boulevard, but at the very top end, right before you go into the next jurisdiction, up at the very top end. And [1:03:50, 1:04:10]: I wanted to have some discussion to get some idea as to whether or not that was something that you would even entertain. You indicated that you would prefer to us go to staff, and so that is what we have done. We've gone to staff, we've had a couple of meetings now with staff in order to get some feedback for my client to make some decision as to whether or not they even want to pursue. [1:04:10, 1:04:25]: Pursue the project. Nothing has been filed. This is just discussions. I feel like that is a beneficial thing for my clients to speak to the council members before I start even sometimes speaking with staff. Because I feel like if you tell me [1:04:26, 1:04:33]: Uh'cause I've had this told. I know d commissioners on co council members have told me. Don't even bring that over here, Michelle. [1:04:34, 1:04:54]: Just keep it moving, because I'm not I'm not interested that in my district. So I make that a a a priority for myself and I do that in every jurisdiction that I practice in because I find that that is more effective and it saves time and money. Because truthfully, I don't like losing. It's not worth it to me. I get paid to win. [1:04:54, 1:05:14]: And that's what my job is. And so I try to make sure I I spend my time wisely and my clients' money wisely. So that project has zero to do with what's going on here. That's a totally different developer, that's a uh a residential community, um, and has nothing to do with anything that's going on on this particular right of way. Um [1:05:13, 1:05:15]: abandonment. So I just wanted to make that clear. [1:05:16, 1:05:19]: Thank you, I appreciate that. Ms. Battle, before you leave. [1:05:19, 1:05:25]: Can I ask a little bit? So I just wanna make sure that they are you had mentioned that the [1:05:26, 1:05:27]: Uh developer here. [1:05:27, 1:05:31]: Who's interested in this parcel and putting the storage [1:05:31, 1:05:41]: facility, which they can put anyway. It's the only thing is a little piece of land right in front of that road, right? And then we response for a roadway between that and a storage unit. [1:05:42, 1:06:02]: You're stating that they have an interest in putting retail in the front portion of that on North Henry Boulevard. Is that the thing? Based on everything that's just transpired, what they said is this. They will work with you all if you want to park there. They'll put a park there. They will work with you all with regards to what goes on that. [1:06:02, 1:06:22]: Particular parcel of land. So that is something that I'm committed to. If they tell me that's what we're going to do, we will set up a meeting with staff and council member Barber or whoever else wants to join on to that conversation to talk about what goes in front and what will be allowed on that period. [1:06:22, 1:06:27]: Peace. That is what my understanding is, and I will follow through on that. [1:06:28, 1:06:28]: Okay. [1:06:29, 1:06:30]: Yeah, for [1:06:31, 1:06:40]: Well one second please. Are you you I'm I'm done. Uh Ms. Battle before you take your seat. I I don't have a question, I just have a comment. [1:06:40, 1:06:45]: And and and I do want to just confirm uh the practice. [1:06:45, 1:06:45]: Yeah. [1:06:46, 1:06:54]: of you reaching out to council members. Uh because you have reached out to me a number of times. And even when I walked in [1:06:55, 1:07:15]: You know, you reminded me again. And so, and I and I think that is very good. And again, um for us to to grow as a city, to be more efficient and effective, uh, and I think that is good coming from [1:07:15, 1:07:35]: uh someone that represents uh developers that want to come in. So I'm just sort of just kudos and to you that I appreciate that. And uh and if I don't return a call or email, that's on me. That's okay. I know you guys are busy. And I know you you have reached out to me a number of times and there's a project that's [1:07:35, 1:07:40]: is coming up in a district that I represent. But even though [1:07:41, 1:07:43]: I look at myself as an elected official. [1:07:44, 1:07:48]: that I represent the whole city because citizens come to me all the time anyway. [1:07:49, 1:08:07]: Uh but I just want to say thank you for that practice. I appreciate it. And uh and just forgive me if I don't respond back. But I'm just saying that that's on me. But you and I have agreed that, you know, with this project that's coming, you and I are gonna talk. Absolutely. So I will give you another call. I just wanna say thank you. Not a problem. All right. [1:08:09, 1:08:15]: All right, thank you sir. Appreciate it. Make sure I'm clear left and right. Everybody's had enough to talk so I need [1:08:16, 1:08:20]: Ms. Ryan Anderson. [1:08:26, 1:08:46]: You have been here and you have observed the comments that have been made that then Ms. Gantt's question, which is that parcel which fronts North Henry Boulevard, that tract, that it's been agreeable, that it's basically will be reserved it will be a park or this uh some type of retail development that [1:08:45, 1:09:00]: that would go there, it would not be an expansion of the existing business. That's what you understand. Yes, sir. And it's already protected anyway because it's in the PMU and it wouldn't be allowable anyway. Okay. So okay, I just wanted to make sure we're on the same page. Everybody understands that. Thank thank you. [1:09:00, 1:09:05]: All right. If no other comments in the motion to accept this uh approval. Yes, ma'am. [1:09:07, 1:09:07]: I'm sorry. [1:09:10, 1:09:13]: Need a motion to accept this proposed right away amendment. [1:09:15, 1:09:16]: Some move. Is there a second? [1:09:18, 1:09:19]: Is there a second? [1:09:20, 1:09:22]: [4163.3, 4164.5]: All in favor, please indicate. [1:09:26, 1:09:26]: Okay. [1:09:27, 1:09:32]: I will abstain based on principle. That is my comment. [1:09:32, 1:09:52]: Thank you. We got one final comment. Three three zero one, the motion passed. One final comment. Yes, sir. This area is to be maintained by you all consistent uh with what we would expect of the city, that it would be maintained at the highest level. We don't want to have to come and clean it up and all that kind of thing. Thank you. [1:09:55, 1:10:00]: Thank you. I I need to ask you about one of my business uh I'll not right here. I'll just come to you. It's fine. [1:10:01, 1:10:14]: What we have next is a public hearing. This deals with a text amendment case TX dash two zero two four-zero five citywide. Consideration of text amendment of section two point four point yes, sir. [1:10:16, 1:10:17]: Yeah. [1:10:18, 1:10:19]: Oh yes, ma'am. [1:10:24, 1:10:44]: Okay, once again, this is a public hearing. Text amendment case uh TX dash two zero two four dash zero five citywide consideration of a text amendment of section two point four point four of Stockbridge Unified Development Code UDC to modify the arg uh argument uh excuse me amendment. [1:10:44, 1:10:50]: uh of the regulations for the multifamily resinal residential MFR zoning district. [1:10:51, 1:10:54]: Since it is a public hearing, let me go ahead and finish reading this as well. [1:10:56, 1:11:16]: Public hearing rules. Please mute all cell phones and other electronic devices. If anyone wishes to speak tonight on a public hearing item, please fill out the form available on the table and hand it to the city clerk before approaching the podium. After each case is called, the council will hear from the city staff, followed by the applicant or the representative regarding the proposed plan. 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Please note that these hearings are not a debate. Fair to comply will cause you to be removed from the chamber and the building by law enforcement if you deviate from the proceedings. Other than an applicant, no person may speak more than one. [1:12:15, 1:12:35]: Once the applicant may reserve part of his her or her speaking time as a rebuttal and may speak next and last and may use the entire ten minutes allowed for the pro side of the application. If questions are raised, the council may ask for the applicant to address questions and or concerns. The presiding officer will call for a motion and a second to the motion. [1:12:35, 1:12:44]: We'll have any necessary discussion. If the matter is not tabled, the presiding officer will call for the vote to recommend approval or denial of the request. Mr. Addison, please. [1:12:44, 1:13:04]: Good evening. Uh staff can't we came before you on uh July 30th uh city council work session and uh gave a presentation on uh potential changes to uh MFR district. Uh we added things such as three sided brick, uh thirty foot front yard setback, uh flock cameras, if it's a flock cameras. [1:13:04, 1:13:07]: Gated communities under certain circumstances and um [1:13:09, 1:13:25]: And certain other things to uh to improve our MFR district. It's patterned after the bridges of Jodico um master plan master plan. Uh the the con the requirements that they have for their um town homes. So we feel like [1:13:27, 1:13:40]: This ordinance will improve the current ordinance and make um a product that we can be uh more proud of and more aesthetically pleasing and things of that nature. So I presented this, like I said, at the um [1:13:40, 1:13:47]: July thirtieth, um city council work session and nothing has changed since then. It went to the planning commission, they voted unanimously to approve. [1:13:49, 1:14:09]: Yeah, go right ahead, Mr. Alexander. There were a number of items such as the overhangs would be cons uh consistent with metal uh versus uh the regular shingles. The main roof would be a shingle roof, but then below there yes, we we added that too. You added that the street lights were being added too. Black pole for street lights. Street lights are being added. Um [1:14:08, 1:14:19]: Um other one. Uh he said gated the metal roof. Stand by please. Okay, what about the square footage? We did we work on the square footage? [1:14:19, 1:14:21]: Let me see what the square footage is. I think the um [1:14:24, 1:14:26]: We love the square footage, uh [1:14:28, 1:14:35]: The same as current uh fifteen hundred is the minimum square footage. [1:14:36, 1:14:56]: I think that's been the issue that we keep getting basic townhomes or smaller units and we wanted to get some bigger units in the city. Is there maybe like different classifications of something that could go? Because certainly, as I said, I I think it would be best and wise for all of us to have townhomes equal to single family homes. [1:14:56, 1:15:06]: because the areas get more dense, there's a lot less land, so what they build we want it to be uh uh equivalent to a single family home if town homes are approved. [1:15:07, 1:15:22]: Okay. So you wanna what you want to um I'm saying that what are the options? Are there like different zoning areas or is I gonna refer to all this area on this much land or this much, let's say a um [1:15:26, 1:15:46]: versus a medium density versus a high density or is uh something like that where versus the other square footage d a justifiable juice change to that. I just want there to be some clarification where everybody's not building these small basic townhomes that they're building a better a bigger quality [1:15:46, 1:15:56]: quality product and that is equivalent to a single family home. Okay. So so um if if you were had your way, what what what would be the um minimum size you would like to see? [1:15:58, 1:16:18]: I think if we went up to maybe eighteen hundred minimum and then uh you know that would be the minimum and then of course we would want it to be larger than that because you start to get once you go above the eighteen hundred and two thousand, you start to get the fourth bedroom uh in a larger unit uh above two thousand square. [1:16:18, 1:16:18]: Square feet. [1:16:20, 1:16:21]: Okay. [1:16:22, 1:16:42]: If you don't mind, I would I would uh uh venture to say you need a variety of everything. You because the different price points for the to deal with the different folks with different economic backgrounds that that can purchase I'll get to you in just a second, that uh can purchase the homes. So you need different variety of sizes and cost factors, okay? In that aspect. I would think that [1:16:42, 1:16:48]: I don't understand what he's saying, but I'm just adding to the point that we need probably do a variety of that as well. Okay. Okay. [1:16:50, 1:17:10]: Is that is that you had any more else, Mr. Ellison? So the breakdown might be let's say like you're at Jodico in a mixed use development, then uh in a mixed use development of a size uh or scope or versus a certain amount of acreage, then you would go up to the larger townhome versus uh some areas. We do want [1:17:10, 1:17:30]: As the mayor's contention is made, some areas that might be appropriate to a but I think eighteen hundred square feet is pretty reasonable, but we do in some instances we might want less than that because again, we want to have some affordable housing in the city. So it's kind of a thinking out loud moment and a record. [1:17:30, 1:17:36]: recommendation that we're following. How do I get the larger one but steal a lot the south smaller ones at some point? [1:17:37, 1:17:48]: They can come to us and ask for a variance perhaps if if we go with eighteen hundred and then there was a neighborhood that wanted to build tiny homes, then they could come to us and ask for a variance. [1:17:49, 1:18:09]: You think about that, Mayor? It sounds good. It is um something you can apply for a variance for. Right. We would set a min a minimum of eighteen hundred square feet, but if someone wanted to come in and build a specific project like a tiny home community or an affordable home community, they could ask for a variance under that category that it would be [1:18:10, 1:18:12]: Ms. Garn Garner has something to add here. [1:18:15, 1:18:35]: special use. Yeah. Okay. Spe okay, we'll use a special use. You you don't want to use a variance. You don't want to use variances because variances um they're quasi judicial. Mm-hmm. Right? And so as you treat one, treat all. Um when you do [1:18:35, 1:18:46]: a special use or a rezoning that's legislative. So it's at the discretion of the legislative body, whether they choose to, whether or not you grind it on that side of the road or this side of the road, it don't matter. Mm-hmm. [1:18:46, 1:18:56]: Um and so variances are specific criteria you have to meet. Size, shape, topography, some constraint. So in a situation where you might want and I kinda get where you're going with it. [1:18:56, 1:19:16]: where if you're more on the outer fringe of the city, bigger. Mm-hmm. Whatever. If you're more in the heart of the city, obviously where, you know, and if the road permits it, because we're not as big as we is big, but we're still not, you know, most of our areas are small or confined. [1:19:16, 1:19:17]: [4757.6, 4777.4]: Um but if they want to build something smaller, you should want that to go through the special use provision rather than a variance. So it gets heard at the planning commission, this the CMU, the community meeting, the planning commission, and then to you guys, and then you guys make a uh final determination. That's the best route to take it through. Make it a special use. [1:19:38, 1:19:47]: Absolutely. I I I'm I'm agre y'all agreeable to that. Then eighteen hundred then with the special use. That sounds good to me. But that's that's what I recommend. All right. [1:19:48, 1:19:52]: You done, sir? Okay. Ms. Barber, go ahead, please. [1:19:55, 1:20:00]: Mr Anderson, um so currently [1:20:01, 1:20:02]: The front yard set back. [1:20:03, 1:20:03]: Is what? [1:20:04, 1:20:05]: Fifty feet. Okay. [1:20:06, 1:20:17]: So this thirty feet is what you're proposing the change to be. Yes, because we've been giving out uh uh a lot of variances for thirty feet. Um the minimum yard setback. [1:20:18, 1:20:21]: It's the minimum. The minimum lot size. [1:20:22, 1:20:25]: No. It's the side yard setback. [1:20:25, 1:20:26]: Uh it's twenty feet now. [1:20:26, 1:20:27]: Okay. [1:20:30, 1:20:32]: And you're proposing to change it to ten feet. [1:20:34, 1:20:40]: Dis that's like the distance in between buildings, yes. It still would calculate out to um twenty feet. [1:20:41, 1:20:50]: There was a there was a conflict in our code that we were trying to address with that r by reducing it down to ten feet. [1:20:51, 1:21:05]: You still have each building will still have ten yards, still have its ten yard setback, side yard setback. So ten for this building and ten for the building on the right equals twenty. So currently it'll make s it makes it out to like forty. [1:21:06, 1:21:07]: The way I read. [1:21:09, 1:21:14]: There seems to be a conflict then, so the minimum side yard you're asking for [1:21:14, 1:21:15]: Tiene. [1:21:15, 1:21:16]: Yes. [1:21:17, 1:21:26]: For the minimum distance between buildings, you're proposing twenty. Twenty, yes. Ten for one building, ten for the other. So it equals twenty, yes. [1:21:27, 1:21:32]: Currently, what is um the distance between buildings? [1:21:32, 1:21:39]: Uh it comes out to like forty feet almost. Forty feet. Okay. Because of the the way it's written. [1:21:40, 1:21:52]: Okay. I really wish that there was a table that I can see how it currently is and versus what you're proposing. Okay. Um the minimum rear yard. [1:21:54, 1:21:55]: What is it currently? [1:21:56, 1:21:57]: Um [1:22:02, 1:22:03]: Just [1:22:04, 1:22:05]: Thirty feet. [1:22:06, 1:22:07]: Thirty? Yes. [1:22:11, 1:22:13]: Well it yes. [1:22:16, 1:22:36]: Okay. Um and I do agree. But it also the reason why I hesitate because it it depends on what's the adjacent zoning, like if it's industrial or commercial, then the setback increase this distance requirement increases. Gotcha. Thank you for that. I do agree with Councilman Alexander in regards to um [1:22:36, 1:22:38]: The living area. Um [1:22:39, 1:22:44]: Increasing the amount of square footage per unit. Okay. [1:22:45, 1:22:50]: Um the ones that you have on here seems pretty small. Okay. Um [1:22:51, 1:22:52]: That's all. Thank you, sir. [1:22:54, 1:22:54]: Good. [1:22:55, 1:22:56]: Yes ma'am, go ahead please. [1:22:57, 1:23:02]: If this is a continuation from last week's meeting, then I would like to go [1:23:02, 1:23:16]: I had a a development authority meeting and we talked remember we talked about the stars of the hotels? Is that the same is are we still on that same issue of diff changing different codes and different things right now? Is that what we're doing? Oh what what are you referring to exactly? Uh [1:23:17, 1:23:37]: So last meeting we talked about what star group of hotels we would want. Oh no, this doesn't it's not related to the totally different cause I was gonna say three stars is good after going to the development third retreat. This is strictly on town homes, MFR, yeah. Okay. So that's fine. I I just wanted I didn't know if it was in addition to that. [1:23:37, 1:23:39]: Yeah. No mail. All right. [1:23:40, 1:23:43]: Any other questions at all? [1:23:43, 1:23:57]: I don't have a question, just a comment. So based on um the current square footage or the front setback of currently 50 feet versus 30 feet. [1:24:01, 1:24:14]: I do support changing it to thirty feet just to accommodate multifamily units. Um but as far as the side yard and the distance between buildings, I prefer to keep those the same. Um [1:24:16, 1:24:22]: And the same with the rear yard setback. I prefer to keep it at thirty feet as opposed to the twenty feet that you are [1:24:22, 1:24:23]: Proposing. [1:24:24, 1:24:30]: Those are just my suggestions for the council to consider. Thank you, sir. All right. [1:24:30, 1:24:38]: And that makes a point on whether or not the council will consider those recommendations or not, whether or not there's approval or disapproval in that process and what was just made. [1:24:38, 1:24:41]: Anybody else any comments on that thought process? [1:24:42, 1:24:44]: Yes, sir. Go ahead please. [1:24:45, 1:25:05]: Mr. Anderson, I I asked this question uh at one of the other meetings about um the updates of the UDC and you indicated that um there are some modifications and you'll be coming before the council with that. So it it again [1:25:05, 1:25:25]: Again, I'm sorry going back to the same question because every meeting it comes before the council. So at what point in time will the UDC somewhat be updated so we would not have to, you know, pick and choose like this? [1:25:25, 1:25:45]: Facebook, Council Member Thomas, you wait for a pattern or a trend to develop. Once a pattern or a trend develops, and where we keep coming to council asking for variances or exceptions to the code, and once that trend has been identified, um then it's recommended that you update your code to reflect the code. [1:25:45, 1:26:05]: That pattern and then and then that way it would eliminate future so many future uh barrences or the need to come back before a council. So we we're we're not there yet, you know. Yes, that's why we're here with this with this MFR, because the the 50-foot front yard setback was causing a lot of issues with with developers and um causing the need. [1:26:05, 1:26:18]: For us to come before you for variances. So that's why we um decided to amend it to thirty feet. Okay. Yes, sir. And also um Quentin and I have been discussing and he'll be probably sending out some notification, but [1:26:18, 1:26:21]: Um hopefully at our upcoming retreat in the new year. [1:26:22, 1:26:28]: We wanna look at not just the zoning the UDC but also looking at the uh code of ordinance as well where we [1:26:29, 1:26:41]: need to make some changes and get some recommendations from you guys as well as from the staff. Um just talked about that yesterday. So I told him that's something we could put on the retreat for us to discuss at um at our treat next year. [1:26:42, 1:26:50]: Thank you. But but but what he's doing now is just trying to fill the potholes where uh we see them happening based on what's what the markets [1:26:50, 1:26:52]: And design is happening around the Montrealy. [1:26:53, 1:26:53]: Thank you. [1:26:56, 1:26:58]: Any other comments? Council? [1:26:59, 1:27:19]: If not, this is a public hearing. So I'll open it up uh for any comments from the audience. Uh so I'll start on my very left side. Any positive comments uh for this particular proposal? My very left, in the middle, my very right. Any negative comments from in reference to the proposal? My very left, the middle. [1:27:19, 1:27:31]: Am I right? Seeing none. So I'll close that piece of this public hearing up. So on that note, the council I need a a motion to um to approve this based on our conversation. And what would that motion be? [1:27:34, 1:27:54]: Go ahead, sir. I will make a motion to approve the staff recommendations, including the changes that we had asked for, including the eighteen hundred square foot minimum, uh with a special use permit required for anything smaller than that. [1:27:54, 1:28:12]: Staff had recommended that we have twenty feet between the new homes w to close a a conflict in the um in the current code and certainly I make a recommendation uh for that as well. Is there a second of that motion? [1:28:13, 1:28:15]: I second. Ms. McGann second, and all favor, please indicate. [1:28:17, 1:28:17]: Okay. [1:28:19, 1:28:32]: I oppose. I stated my um comments earlier what I hoped that council would consider, um considering um city council district four. [1:28:32, 1:28:52]: is one of two districts that has um upcoming developments that these this would be affecting. They chose not to consider any of the recommendations. Well council member barber um this will affect future developments. The ones that currently future developments in city council district four and five these [1:28:52, 1:29:00]: The other districts don't have any residential developments coming. Thank you. All right. On that note, the motion passed 310. Thank you. [1:29:02, 1:29:10]: What's that, sir? And I want to ask this maybe of Mr. Gardner and uh of staff. [1:29:10, 1:29:30]: Now, accordingly, Clowns can can make a motion at any time to make a change. But to make a change, we have had subsequent discussion tonight about different facilities. We have restrictions on certain facilities uh in the city. So we wanted to make a recommendation uh to incre uh to add a particular big [1:29:30, 1:29:35]: business to that distance requirement, what is the process behind that? [1:29:36, 1:29:51]: Um, we would go ahead and treat it uh because that would be a text amendment and correct me if I'm wrong under the new rules, that would entail us advertising it, putting the language together, bringing it back before the planning commission and to you guys to adopt whatever that restriction would be. [1:29:51, 1:30:11]: Well, this is what I'm going to suggest for the council. Now I'm in agreement that we these storage facilities are pervasive and they try to locate along certain areas. This is a use that really probably needs to be put a distance requirement on it. We have the dollar stores that have a five mile requirement. [1:30:11, 1:30:28]: certain businesses with so many coming to so many different areas, I would like for staff to go back and and research that text amendment to put a distance requirement between these facilities going forward equivalent to where the dollar story is about five miles. [1:30:29, 1:30:38]: Will do. Thank you. That's what I'm saying. Is there is the consensus from the council that for that? You good? Folks? [1:30:40, 1:30:41]: You have a mission. [1:30:42, 1:30:43]: Well, they'll have to create one. [1:30:46, 1:31:05]: Right, you good with that as well? I'm okay. So you get good tasking. Okay, there you go. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right, so uh out item number four is is postponed or rescheduled for another date. So we'll go to new business item number five, speed bunts speed hump installation on Maple Leaf Drive. Mr. Aaron, please. [1:31:13, 1:31:33]: Yes, Mr. Mayor. We've had uh residents of Maple Leaf Drive submit a petition for speed humps on Maple Leaf Drive. So we verified the property ownerships for those residents on that street. And everything is meets the standard. So we're just asking for counsel to approve that. [1:31:33, 1:31:35]: The installation of the speed humps. [1:31:36, 1:31:56]: Okay, we kinda go ahead, sir. Let me say this. The residents in my neighborhood, Winslow at Eagles Landing, they collected the signatures. I did not participate in collecting the signatures because I didn't want it to overly uh undo affect the results. They did. Uh Miss Bremer went around, knocked on every door uh on Maple Leaf Drive. [1:31:56, 1:32:05]: And got signatures, and trust me, the neighbors are in support of that with the speeding that's going on on Maple Leaf Drive. [1:32:06, 1:32:13]: Careful. Yes, sir, go ahead, please. Uh there, can you indicate uh which method they use as far as the number of signatures? [1:32:15, 1:32:24]: Well what what the petition requires is that you gotta have at least fifty one percent of the residents on that street that vote in the affirmative and sign the petition. [1:32:25, 1:32:30]: Okay, on the street or in the subdivision? On the streets. [1:32:31, 1:32:35]: All right. Thank you, Mayor. No, you're welcome, sir. No problem. [1:32:36, 1:32:37]: All right, please. [1:32:37, 1:32:48]: So I know that um and I do support um the speed bumps as the residents have asked for. My only point of contention is I've got residents in my district. [1:32:48, 1:32:50]: Who also [1:32:50, 1:32:54]: Did a petition, I believe, back in twenty eighteen. [1:32:54, 1:32:56]: Um on Shields Road. [1:32:57, 1:32:57]: And [1:32:58, 1:33:00]: Um based on staff [1:33:00, 1:33:10]: They said that speed bump that road is considered a secondary road and they couldn't install speed bumps. [1:33:10, 1:33:13]: So what I need to understand is [1:33:14, 1:33:17]: How staff is making the decisions [1:33:17, 1:33:19]: based on the petitions. [1:33:19, 1:33:23]: without bringing them to the council for the council to make the decision. [1:33:23, 1:33:27]: If you bring in this petition to the council to vote on [1:33:28, 1:33:48]: I don't understand why you didn't bring the one for Shields Road here to the council to make a decision. Because the ordinance says it's for residential streets. Shields Road is not a residential street. So t in fact the ordinance says it's subdivision roads. It's not major thoroughfares and secondary roads. It's [1:33:48, 1:33:56]: Says residential and Shields does not qualify for speed humps based on the ordinance. It's not a subdivision. Yes, ma'am. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. [1:33:58, 1:34:07]: Any other questions? Yes, one. Go ahead, please. I I noticed that our next agenda item is the change of our policy for speed bumps. [1:34:08, 1:34:28]: What is the percentage of speed that goes through Winslow? Is that I'm assuming that's fifty one percent on that street. But what is the percentage of the speed going through that Winslow? Is it it does it qualify for the fifty one percent based off of what we would consider the new policy as of if w if we vote for it today? So [1:34:28, 1:34:48]: Reason why we're asking for the new the updated policy is that we've been kind of circumventing it's gotten to the point where a resident can call and say, Well, I saw somebody speeding on my street. And so then the next step is they submit a petition. And we've allowed [1:34:48, 1:34:57]: that but what I'm trying to get is a flow chart in here and that the first part of the process if they call and say, hey, we got an issue with speeding. [1:34:58, 1:35:18]: Then we do the speed study. And the speed study determines whether or not we install speed humps. If the speed study justifies that there's a need, then the next step is they go to the petition process. And then the next step is that we verify the petitions, they meet the requirement, then we follow up like we do with [1:35:18, 1:35:24]: We'll verify all the homeowners and we'll come before counsel and say they have met the requirements for speed bumps. Okay. [1:35:25, 1:35:33]: So but we don't know w what that speed is from Winslow. I mean, even though w the he they'll be grandfathered in on the on the other [1:35:33, 1:35:34]: Older. [1:35:35, 1:35:37]: Oh petition. [1:35:37, 1:35:40]: I didn't know if we did a speed check on there or not. [1:35:40, 1:35:48]: Under this policy, the revised policy, it's in the old one as well, but I just want to make sure we're following this flow chart because it says [1:35:48, 1:35:55]: The eighty-fifth percentile speed is an indicator used to determine the maximum reasonable speed by performing a traffic study. [1:35:56, 1:36:08]: If the study indicates that the 85th percentile exceeds thirty-five miles per hour, the petition process will proceed at fifty-one percent of the petition area. Right. So we'll have [1:36:09, 1:36:24]: uh scientific data to justify why we're putting speed humps in because the National Highway Safety says for every speed bump that you install, it delays an emergency response vehicle between six and fifteen seconds. [1:36:25, 1:36:25]: So [1:36:26, 1:36:46]: That's why we're we're coming to you because there are some residents that call and complain that have had like multiple back surgeries. I know one resident called me, and every time they go over those humps, that causes them an issue. So we just want to make sure when we install it in that we keep in mind that emergency response vehicles are responding in these neighborhoods and we don't want to [1:36:46, 1:36:50]: do anything that could possibly delay them responding. [1:36:50, 1:36:50]: Thank you. [1:36:51, 1:37:06]: I must have missed something, but what's the cost factor on this if we pass this? Four forty forty uh the insulation of the hump. Oh, the speed humps? Yes. It's just standard. It's it's negligible. It's included in the public works budget. We have money for signs and speed humps. [1:37:06, 1:37:26]: All right. So be it. If there are no other questions in a motion to accept this proposal. So moved. Is there a second? I second. Ms. Ganttz second that from now. Is that again all favorite, please indicate? Unanimous decision. Thank you very much, sir. Uh city uh stop rate speed hump policy update. Ms. Aaron, you were kind of talking about that before, but further explain, please. Yes, sir. We just want to make sure. [1:37:26, 1:37:46]: Sure, we're following this flow chart and we don't just arbitrarily because people call, because one person said, They're just speeding all the time in my neighborhood. Or we had a call, like somebody said, Well, somebody passed around the school bus while the stop sign was out. We need speed humps. That's not a reason to put speed humps. We just want to follow a process that we [1:37:46, 1:37:54]: We can verify that there's the actual problem in that area versus we being reactive and say, okay, well, we put put the speed humps down. So [1:37:55, 1:37:56]: Mayor. Yes, Mayor. [1:37:56, 1:38:03]: Um, thank you for that. I you kinda gave us the explanation and the other question I had, so I appreciate the presentation on that. [1:38:04, 1:38:21]: I agree that data is and you've already mentioned that it's very nominal, the cost to check on speed. So um to to keep the or get gather data based off of the speed checks. So um I would like to motion to approve the. Let me ask you a question first. Okay. [1:38:22, 1:38:29]: So I just want to understand one thing. How many speed bump applications have you received? [1:38:29, 1:38:49]: Well uh to justify okay, well we need to add this next step. So how many applications have we received? Well, we get calls all the time. I know how many applications have we received? Currently we've got I think there's eight petitions floating out there in various stages of people trying to collect signatures. [1:38:49, 1:39:00]: get it then they don't get the statistics. So how many do you have that have the the the signatures moved through and how many have you installed in the last year? [1:39:02, 1:39:04]: Let me see. I think we've done [1:39:05, 1:39:14]: two in your neighborhood. We've done some in uh what's the subdivision? We only got one in my neighborhood and that's Wimbrook. So we're we've done about five. [1:39:15, 1:39:19]: So within the last year you've done five in what subdivisions? [1:39:20, 1:39:27]: So uh we've done what's the one. One was in my subdivision two years ago, I think. [1:39:27, 1:39:30]: Um what's the one oh um? [1:39:31, 1:39:40]: The only Wild When are you saying? Wild Win, we've done Wild Wind. Um the one on I think it's Summit off Banks Road. [1:39:41, 1:39:54]: We've done a couple of in there. The homeowner associates is very adamant about having speed humps in their neighborhood. And then the other one is I I can't recall what the other one is, I don't have it with me. But we've done [1:39:56, 1:39:56]: Several. [1:39:57, 1:40:06]: The the only con c concern that I have is and I and I understand that we want the data there, but I don't wanna discourage the residents who are really [1:40:06, 1:40:10]: wanting to pursue this'cause it takes a lot of work to go out there and collect. [1:40:11, 1:40:13]: Fifty or sixty six, that's a lot of work. [1:40:13, 1:40:31]: Well, they here's the problem with it. They they don't have to do the work until you figure out the speed. Once you figure out the speed, then they know the percentage that of the signatures that they have to get. Mm-hmm. That's so the data comes first and then they know whether or not they even qualify to even get the work done. [1:40:32, 1:40:39]: And that to me is enough within itself. It's like it gives them s a little bit of ammunition. [1:40:40, 1:40:56]: But not only that, it seems reasonable. I know that some cer uh uh everybody's not blessed to have a neighborhood that has the circle roundabouts to break up the the speeding. And we still hear about speeding even in my subdivision, even though we have some of the roundabouts to break that up. [1:40:57, 1:40:58]: I think that [1:40:59, 1:41:04]: you know, things can get out of hand without the data. And we do need some type of measurement. [1:41:05, 1:41:06]: Because speed bumps [1:41:07, 1:41:08]: They [1:41:08, 1:41:10]: It can become a problem. [1:41:10, 1:41:21]: Buses go across those feed bumps, you've got the police, you've got ambulances, you've got fire trucks. And I know that it also too can be for safety measures. [1:41:21, 1:41:24]: But in addition to that, sometimes overkill. [1:41:25, 1:41:31]: And we just need to be aware of that. Like it it can definitely be overkill. And so [1:41:32, 1:41:42]: When one neighbor your hood gets at one street, then the next one won it, then the next one won it, then the next one won it. And it they may not very well qualify. They might be going thirty five miles per hour. [1:41:43, 1:41:57]: And so if they get the speed traffic things done before, then you know what the requirement is to get those speed bumps. That means that they're flying across the street. But if the study shows that they're not flying, [1:41:58, 1:42:01]: Then there's no real reason to get speed bumps. [1:42:01, 1:42:02]: 'Cause they're really not blind. [1:42:03, 1:42:08]: So they're abiding by whatever that speed is or whatever the requirement is. [1:42:08, 1:42:12]: And they don't do the work until they know the average of the speed. [1:42:13, 1:42:18]: They don't do the work first, they do the work they go get the petitions after they get the average. [1:42:18, 1:42:28]: There's a process and the play that will come in place first. Somebody provided notice. So what do they do? Okay. We're gonna go and measure speed. If they're speeding, okay. [1:42:28, 1:42:30]: Hono homeowner association president. [1:42:31, 1:42:46]: It says here, you're right, they are speeding. So now you need to go and get a petition. Or we're automatically going to provide speed bumps to you because of X, Y, and Z speed. Or, you know, so I think that it's the checks and balances instead of just taking people's word for it. [1:42:47, 1:42:52]: 'Cause then you have different streets getting speed bumps. And I just think that we need to [1:42:53, 1:43:01]: be a little bit more aware of that. I don't s I I go into subdivisions up north. We always want to compare up north. I don't see speedrums in no subdivision like that. [1:43:01, 1:43:05]: I mean it it can cause some problems, right? Um [1:43:05, 1:43:15]: You go to Eagles Landing, you might see one or two over this little hump thing when you first coming in or you going but you're not gonna see speed bumps. Not everywhere. Right, you're not. It takes away. [1:43:15, 1:43:18]: It really does. And so I think that [1:43:18, 1:43:20]: We need to be mindful of that. [1:43:21, 1:43:24]: Um and plus be mindful of our resources. [1:43:25, 1:43:26]: All right. [1:43:26, 1:43:46]: That's just my opinion. All right. Any other comments? If not, I need a motion to accept this uh city star break speed bump policy update that Mr. Aaron wants to do. So moved. Is there a second? Second. Okay, from Ms. Canton Ms. I was in our arm fair, please indicate. Okay, you nasty season. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Announcements, announcements up. [1:43:46, 1:44:06]: Upcoming meeting events. 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--- title: Community Zoning Information Meeting date: 2024-11-06 source: 2024-11-06_Community_Zoning_Information_Meeting.wav --- [0:03:38, 0:03:43]: Good evening everyone. I apologize for the delay. [0:03:43, 0:04:03]: I am Kedra Jackson, the chief planner with the Planning and Zoning Department. And I'm going to turn this way to talk to you. A little awkward, but we're going to make it work. Tonight is the community zoning information meeting. This is an informal meeting to discuss upcoming cases for our November 21st. [0:04:03, 0:04:17]: Planning Commission. There is no board involved. There is no voting involved. It's just a casual conversation between the community and the applicants. And if you have any questions for staff, we are here to answer those for you. [0:04:17, 0:04:31]: We do have the applications folders and files to all of the cases you will will hear tonight. So if you want to take a look at those, you may. So with that stated, we'll get started. [0:04:35, 0:04:52]: So uh as I stated before, I'm Keydre Jackson with the Planning and Zoning Division. Tonight here we have Linda Logan, the senior planner, and Gordon Linton, also senior planner. Our director is Ryan Anderson. [0:04:52, 0:05:12]: So let's go over some rules and regulations. As I stated, this is an informal meeting, no board involved. So there's no need to object or, you know, rebuttal um any comments. It's a relaxed meeting. Um we understand that some development does cause emotion or, you know, some passion. [0:05:12, 0:05:32]: And so we ask that you, you know, just remain calm and we can talk to each other with harmony and get our questions answered without, you know, attacking the applicant. The applicant is here to do a development and we're here to, you know, preserve and protect our community. But at the same time, I think we all have a [0:05:32, 0:05:46]: common goal. So we just ask that, you know, everyone that have questions, you can talk to your applicant with, you know, respect and and um definitely we'll get those questions answered for you. [0:05:48, 0:05:53]: So with that stated, we're gonna go over the meeting, how it's set up for tonight. [0:05:59, 0:06:05]: And I'll just read from my phone here. So the first meeting will be [0:06:06, 0:06:17]: the comprehensive plan amendment and that's case CP-202403. Um right now Gordon is passing out the agendas to everyone. [0:06:20, 0:06:29]: So this comprehensive plan land use designation amendment is for the case on Brush Creek Court. [0:06:30, 0:06:43]: What they're doing is changing the designation from its current future land use designation to a low density, midst-use, medium density residential to allow for a townhome development. [0:06:46, 0:06:49]: And Gordon, I need one too. I need one. [0:06:53, 0:06:58]: Also with this case is a rezoning. The rezoning [0:07:00, 0:07:03]: And I apologize, I cannot read from here. [0:07:04, 0:07:05]: Thank you. [0:07:07, 0:07:10]: The rezoning is a consideration. [0:07:17, 0:07:25]: To rezone the property from SR suburban residential to OI. This is not correct. [0:07:32, 0:07:33]: I don't know [0:07:36, 0:07:50]: That's not the okay yeah. Let me just read from here. So it's a consideration of a rezoning to rezone parcel S07-010-060. [0:07:51, 0:08:10]: On the east side of Brush Creek Court, from C2, which is general commercial, to MFR, multi- multiple family residential, to allow for a townhome development. The applicant is Pivotal Enterprise LLC in care of Battle Law, PC. [0:08:11, 0:08:18]: The property is located on landlot 59, District 12, and it contains 2.28 acres. [0:08:20, 0:08:40]: The next case we will hear tonight is a comprehensive land plan amendment, CP-2024-07. This comprehensive land use change will um change the designation of four parcels on the south side of Davis Road as [0:08:40, 0:08:55]: identified below in your agendas if you have the full agenda. The property is for the purpose of allowing a self-storage warehouse development. The property owner is [0:08:57, 0:09:05]: B1 Home Improvement LLC, and the agents are Robert Nespit and Rogers Gaudier. [0:09:05, 0:09:13]: The property is located in Landlot 71, District 12, and it contains approximately 6.895 acres. [0:09:14, 0:09:21]: And in your agenda there are the parcel information as well as the address and parcel number. [0:09:23, 0:09:43]: The next case we will hear is a rezoning case, RZ-2024-08. And this also accompany the comprehensive land use language I just read to you. Here, along with the land use change, they're asking to rezone the property from SR. [0:09:43, 0:09:44]: Or [0:09:45, 0:09:52]: an OI to C3 Heavy Commercial to allow for the self-storage warehouse development. [0:09:52, 0:09:59]: the applicant information is still the same and it relates to the four parcels listed in your agenda. [0:10:02, 0:10:06]: The next case, and this is case number five. [0:10:08, 0:10:13]: It's a rezoning RZ dash twenty twenty-four dash zero nine. [0:10:14, 0:10:16]: This is located in district two. [0:10:16, 0:10:30]: The applicant here is seating seeking to rezone parcel 013-0101-8000 on the east side of Black Hall Road. [0:10:30, 0:10:33]: It's south of Walt Stevens Road. [0:10:33, 0:10:37]: It is currently zone SR, which is suburban residential. [0:10:38, 0:10:44]: And the applicant is seeking to rezone the property to RR, which is rural residential. [0:10:46, 0:11:06]: to allow for a subdivided lot. Property owners, there are several property owners. The applicant is AP Property Solutions, LLC. The agent is Sibley Miller Surveying and Planning Incorporated. This property is located in landlot 24. [0:11:06, 0:11:12]: District 12 and it contains approximately 4.849 acres. [0:11:16, 0:11:31]: The next two cases listed on the agenda will not be heard tonight. Um the applicant is seeking some amendments to the site plan so we will um entertain the zoning um [0:11:32, 0:11:39]: agenda for that at the next meeting and we will uh rezon I'm sorry, we will um [0:11:41, 0:11:47]: l relisted as a legal ad with the correct information. So we will announce that when that comes up. [0:11:48, 0:11:50]: So with that stated [0:11:52, 0:12:09]: We're going to get into the zoning process. So for those of you that do not understand the zoning process, I'm just going to give you a snippet or how it works. So normally when a developer wants to do a development in the city, they set up a [0:12:09, 0:12:24]: pre-application meeting with staff and in that meeting they're presenting their project to us. Staff is providing comments and um in relation to the zoning, future land use designations. [0:12:24, 0:12:44]: You know, we're talking about design layout, et cetera. Um, if there are conditions from a previous rezoning, we're providing that information to you as well. And those previous conditions could affect the development. Um, if one is wanting to make some changes to the previous approved conditions, you may have to go. [0:12:44, 0:12:49]: go for zoning modification. So with that stated, once those [0:12:49, 0:13:05]: um issues are addressed and you're ready to submit, we have application deadlines and one would need to submit their application deadline to get on the agenda. So here, all of you are here met that application deadline. [0:13:05, 0:13:25]: You satisfy the application process, and that places you here tonight for CZIM. After this meeting, then you move to planning commission meeting, and there you have five members that will make a recommendation to the city council on whether they want to approve, deny, or derive. [0:13:25, 0:13:29]: [810.0, 830.0]: Decision by that board is not a final decision. The final decision will come from mayor and council. At the mayor and council, they will decide if they want to continue your case, deny the case, or approve it. And they also have the autonomy to add conditions, more conditions, if staff place conditions. [0:13:50, 0:14:00]: on it, they can add more conditions to your case or amend our conditions. So this is just a chart to show the zoning process of how that works. [0:14:02, 0:14:04]: Does anyone have any questions that's power? [0:14:05, 0:14:22]: This is just an informational meeting and if I want to know more about what's going on from a from a residential or resident standpoint, would it be better when we go to the next meeting? Or or is this just more [0:14:24, 0:14:30]: So to sh be sure I understand your your concern has nothing to do with the cases tonight. [0:14:30, 0:14:35]: Only just running information on one process. Uh not come back with a [0:14:36, 0:14:46]: Okay. Um you can speak to either Linda or Gordon, they can assist you. Or if you see your applicant, you can speak to Hemahart directly. [0:14:47, 0:14:58]: Sure. You can get your information tonight or if you want to go to the next meeting, of course, we would love for you to come to the meetings to further ask questions. It's a public hearing. [0:15:02, 0:15:13]: Yes, so after I'm done with this slide, I'm gonna open it up to the applicant so they can now present their case to you. Okay. [0:15:15, 0:15:21]: Here is the schedule of our community zoning information meetings, the [0:15:21, 0:15:40]: Tonight is November 6th, of course. So after this meeting will be December 4th and then January 2nd, 2025. Um and then we'll will um present the new calendar for 2025 and it will have the schedule for both planning commission as well as um city council. [0:15:43, 0:15:51]: So with that stated, we can go ahead and get into the first case. So again, the first case is battle law. [0:15:51, 0:16:01]: for Brush Creek Court. Um they will be presenting the comprehensive plan rezoning and zoning modification. I'll open the floor to you. [0:16:17, 0:16:19]: I sent a PowerPoint over. [0:16:21, 0:16:23]: I said I sent a PowerPoint over. [0:16:25, 0:16:27]: I sent it to you all this afternoon. [0:16:31, 0:16:33]: Thank you. [0:16:38, 0:16:39]: Right. [0:16:40, 0:16:42]: Oh there. [0:16:42, 0:16:45]: Well you just added up. I did. Okay. Okay to see. [0:16:49, 0:16:50]: Okay. [0:17:03, 0:17:05]: How about that? [0:17:06, 0:17:20]: All right, my name is Michelle Battle. I'm here with Battle Law. Um, we are gonna talk about the Brush Creek Court um project. Um before I start, is there anybody here specifically for that project that has any specific questions regarding it? [0:17:21, 0:17:41]: No? Well okay, we'll just move on through. Um so the property um that we're talking about here is located off of Brush Creek Um Court, um right near the intersection of um uh North Henry Boulevard, um where the Quick Trip and the Waffle House are located as you move up uh [0:17:41, 0:17:45]: Um into the site. We are off on the right hand side. [0:17:48, 0:18:08]: Property currently has a zoning designation for commercial development as well as a land use designation for low density mixed use. We are asking to amend the comp plan in order to allow for residential development up to eight units per. [0:18:08, 0:18:23]: per acre. So we are seeking a modification to medium density residential, which is consistent with the property that lies behind, that also has a land use designation of medium density residential. [0:18:26, 0:18:46]: Um Brush Creek Commons was actually approved. I think back in like two thousand and four, two thousand and five, at that time, there was a development agreement that was put into place that governs along with the zoning for the property for the development of a forty-one year. [0:18:46, 0:19:06]: Unit townhome community. That community has no access to Shields Road. It has a lot of terrain and environmentally sensitive issues around the perimeter of the site, but it also included amenity areas that are located along. [0:19:06, 0:19:26]: uh the corridor of Brush Creek Commons. Um the applicant is seeking to rezone this 2.28 acre oops, sorry, moving too fast. In order to allow it to be phase two of the overall project, which is what you see. [0:19:26, 0:19:46]: The above, so you can see how the two will interplay. These 41 units will be rear entry units based on how it was approved back in 2004, and then with some modifications in 2022. This portion being phase two. [0:19:46, 0:20:06]: Two, we are seeking to have uh 20 units on that phase. The overall density when combined will be at 3.39 units per acre. It's a process that we have to go through between the comp plan change and then also seeking the rezoning to the MFR. [0:20:06, 0:20:26]: our zoning district from C2 to allow for phase two to be added into the overall Brush Creek Commons community. They will be sharing the amenity areas that are located throughout the site. As you can see going into Brush Creek, there [0:20:26, 0:20:46]: There are amenities and this picture is so small I cannot tell you what it says right there. Um but um there's gazebos and other amenities along this portion of the project. I don't think you can see my cursor moving there. Um and then we're on again the opposite side. Um there's [0:20:46, 0:21:06]: Some guest parking. There are 20 units with front entry, these being front entry units. These are the elevations that are proposed. They will have two car garages with two car parking pad in the front of each unit. We think this is very stylish. [0:21:06, 0:21:23]: Um it's a three story product and we believe that that is uh in alignment with the direction that um the city has been going in terms of providing a variety of townhome product um within the community. And that's all I have for this evening. [0:21:26, 0:21:28]: Did anybody have any questions? [0:21:30, 0:21:31]: Okay. Well thank you. [0:21:49, 0:22:03]: Thank you, Ms. Battle. Um at this time, if you have any questions for her, you're more than welcome to speak to her. Um if you would like to look at the applications, you're more than welcome to see staff to review those documents. [0:22:16, 0:22:20]: So with that stated, we'll go to the next case. [0:22:23, 0:22:26]: And the next case before us will be [0:22:29, 0:22:48]: A comprehensive plan amendment as well as a rezoning for six four nine, six five seven, and six eight one Davis Road and for parcel number S05-08006000 on Davis Road. [0:26:38, 0:26:58]: For your patience tonight. The last case we will hear tonight is a rezoning for the consideration of a subdivision lot. This is parcel number zero zero one three-zero one zero one eight zero zero zero. [0:26:58, 0:27:06]: On the east side of Black Hall Road, you may come up to present your case. Thank you. [0:27:45, 0:27:46]: Oh. [0:32:22, 0:32:25]: Thank you. [0:32:26, 0:32:32]: Um they would need to meet Henry County Water Authority's um regulations. [0:32:34, 0:32:34]: I'm sorry. [0:32:36, 0:32:45]: Right, n not right now. So in order to get water service there, they will have to install their own meters and pay water impact fees. [0:32:49, 0:32:56]: So no, actually what they're gonna do is rezone the property to R R Rule Residential and then do septic. [0:32:58, 0:32:59]: Right. [0:32:59, 0:33:03]: Right. So that's that's the reasoning for the R R. [0:33:22, 0:33:23]: Yeah, [0:34:36, 0:34:41]: Planning staff, thank you for coming out tonight. Do does anyone else have any other questions? [0:34:43, 0:34:44]: Okay. [0:34:45, 0:35:05]: Well, great. If you have questions later on after tonight, you're more than welcome to contact staff to ask of any questions dealing with cases on this agenda. This case will go before the Planning Commission on November 21st. And that meeting starts at 6:30 p.m. here in the city council chamber. [0:35:05, 0:35:25]: Chambers. And then after that meeting, the cases will move to mayor and city council on December 9th at 6 p.m. Also in the City Council Chambers. We thank you for attending tonight and we look forward to you coming to our meetings and of course getting more involved in our [0:35:25, 0:35:28]: community discussions. Thank you. Have a great night. [0:35:36, 0:35:36]: Okay.

--- title: Urban Redevelopment Agency Meeting date: 2024-10-29 source: 2024-10-29_Urban_Redevelopment_Agency_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:30, 0:00:31]: I think I'm like. [0:00:50, 0:00:51]: Yes, I'm using one. [0:00:55, 0:00:55]: [ 75.0, 79.4]: [0:01:27, 0:01:28]: [ 90.9, 92.3]: Oh yeah. [0:01:33, 0:01:36]: Which I think I just back for. [0:01:39, 0:01:40]: Yeah. [0:01:41, 0:01:42]: Oh yeah, uh guys. [0:01:43, 0:01:43]: Right so [0:01:45, 0:01:50]: Mayor, what we got going on here? We I don't know nothing about this. [0:11:56, 0:12:02]: All right, council. We're going to what time do I have? I got se five thirty seven. [0:12:05, 0:12:07]: It's October twenty ninth. [0:12:10, 0:12:15]: And I'd like to call our URA meeting to order. [0:12:15, 0:12:16]: This evening. [0:12:18, 0:12:21]: And if we can, please stand for the invocation. [0:12:24, 0:12:44]: And I'll do it myself. Lord, thank you for bringing us together once again as we continue to do the business of our city as we as we discuss our issues and real estate matters to evolve in our URA. You as always, Lord, and continue to do the best thing for our citizens and the welfare of our community. Thank you, Lord, for being with us and guide us and control us and make sure we make the right moves. Amen. [0:12:44, 0:12:58]: Amen. All right. Pledge allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the Republic for which stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:12:59, 0:13:00]: Madam Clerk, Roll Call, please. [0:13:02, 0:13:03]: Good evening everyone. [0:13:04, 0:13:06]: Chair Ford Present. [0:13:09, 0:13:13]: Present. Board member Barber. Present. Board Member Berry. [0:13:13, 0:13:18]: Let the record reflect Board Member Berry is not an attendant. Board Member Gantt. [0:13:19, 0:13:20]: At the record. [0:13:24, 0:13:30]: Thank you, Madam Clerk. Appreciate that. Uh board, I uh need a motion to adopt the agenda, please. [0:13:31, 0:13:36]: So move. Is there a second? Miss Barber s from Alexander, Miss Barber. A sec a second then all in favor, please indicate. [0:13:36, 0:13:37]: Okay, we're good there. [0:13:38, 0:13:43]: And uh now I need a motion to approve the minutes and what we have um approval of the minutes for September twenty fourth. [0:13:44, 0:13:52]: twenty twenty-four and also the approval of the minutes from October seventh, twenty twenty-four. Um, is there a motion to accept those, please? So moved. Is there a second? [0:13:54, 0:13:58]: Okay, Mr uh Mr Thomas second up from Mr. Alzheimer's and Mr. Thomas, all in favor, please in the K. [0:14:00, 0:14:10]: Okay, so now she seized, thank you very much. Um now m uh bo chair board, I'm sorry, we need a motion to go in executive session to discuss real estate matters. [0:14:11, 0:14:23]: So move. Is there some executive session for real estate matters? Thank you. Miss Barber Segner from Alazana, Mr. Bar uh Miss Barber, on fair please indicate. Thank you. We'll go into executive session. Thank you very much. We'll be back, ladies and gentlemen. [0:14:25, 0:14:27]: We're gonna go to cycle session now. High forty. [0:14:27, 0:14:28]: Okay. [0:14:55, 0:14:55]: [896.2, 898.0]: Yeah. [0:15:07, 0:15:09]: I I wanna make sure she's ready before I go. [0:15:11, 0:15:18]: You set? Okay. All right, uh board, I need a uh motion to end our uh executive session, please. [0:15:19, 0:15:19]: Yeah. [0:15:20, 0:15:21]: Mm-hmm. [0:15:32, 0:15:34]: Of course, you know, directly in the room and uh [0:15:35, 0:15:39]: Is uh Jesus Christ. [0:15:51, 0:15:55]: It is the T right there. [0:16:08, 0:16:10]: Pieces up the whole thing. [0:16:43, 0:17:03]: All right, uh board, I need a motion to end our executive session, please. So move. From Mr. Thomas. Is there a second? Second. Uh Mr. Azan second. All favor, please indicate. Okay, fantastic. Now I need a motion to end. We have nothing to report at this point before the URA, so I need a motion to end our URA meeting, please. So moved. Okay from Mr. [0:17:03, 0:17:20]: Okay, Mr. Tars from Mr. Alexander. All in favor, please indicate. All right. We're now finished with our URA meeting. I'll give it about five minutes before we start our council meeting. So let's take a quick little break before we get started on that. Yeah, call back to one about five, no more than ten minutes max.

--- title: Work Session Meeting date: 2024-10-29 source: 2024-10-29_Work_Session_Meeting.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:03]: You said that I'm to object it to nobody said. Let me just say. [0:00:04, 0:00:04]: Well. [0:00:06, 0:00:09]: Well, I made it in the sort of [0:00:14, 0:00:14]: Okay. [0:00:26, 0:00:41]: Ready? Okay. Good deal. All right, here we go, ladies and gentlemen. I'd like to call our council meeting uh to order, council work session meeting to order. I have seven oh nine. This is uh October twenty ninth, twenty twenty four. And invocation would be this uh councilman Alexander, please. [0:00:42, 0:00:44]: Let everyone bow your heads, please. [0:00:45, 0:01:05]: Our Father who dart in heaven, your watchful eye over us today. Help us to make the decisions that we're about to make judiciously, wisely, in the way that you would have us go. Keep a special eye on America today. Let's have a special prayer that you would have us go in the way that you would have us go. [0:01:05, 0:01:23]: making the decisions for the betterment of America today, as we have millions heading to the polls to make the decisions to determine the outcome of what America is to be. Have it be the way that you would, in your covering, in your time, and in the ways that you would have us go. Amen. [0:01:23, 0:01:37]: Amen. Came to a pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, honor God, individual, with liberty and justice for all. [0:01:38, 0:01:40]: Madam Clerk, we'll call please. [0:01:44, 0:01:44]: Present. [0:01:50, 0:01:51]: Present. [0:01:59, 0:02:03]: Thank you, Madam Clerk, appreciate it. Councilman Thomas, I believe you have an amendment to the agenda. [0:02:05, 0:02:08]: Mayor and Council, I move [0:02:08, 0:02:27]: To remove agenda consent agenda item three. The youth council has requested that the consent agenda item three be removed from the agenda, noting the youth council will participate in the city's holiday festival event on Friday, December the 6th. [0:02:28, 0:02:31]: Is there a second to that please? Ms. Gantt second the offer you please indicate. [0:02:32, 0:02:34]: Okay, good deal. Appreciate that. Uh [0:02:34, 0:02:54]: Passes unanimously. Now I need a motion to adopt the rest of the agenda, please. Mayor Ford. Yes, sir. So moved. Okay, sir. Second. I second. From Ms. Mr. Thomas, Ms. Gand. All favor, please indicate. Thank you very much. It passes. Okay, so council, look before uh before you had a review of the minutes, uh review of the minutes of October 14th, 2024 council meeting, and uh we'll go ahead and take a [0:02:54, 0:03:03]: look at those if it's any changes, uh let the uh clerk know that and we'll may approve those at our next uh regular council meeting. Uh Madam Clerk, do we have any public comments at all? [0:03:05, 0:03:05]: Yeah. [0:03:05, 0:03:07]: Willie Carter has come. [0:03:09, 0:03:14]: Okay. Gentlemen, uh we have a public comment coming forward. He's gonna need to pull it in. [0:03:28, 0:03:28]: Okay. [0:03:30, 0:03:34]: Kenny can let the gentleman come through, you gentlemen let let Willie Carter come forward. Come on. [0:03:35, 0:03:40]: Come on, Willie. Uh come on up, get a name what the mic. Mic should be on. Name and address, please. [0:03:42, 0:03:49]: Good evening. Thank you. Um your name and address please. Uh Willie Carter, 123 Wilson Avenue, City of Stockbridge. [0:03:49, 0:04:05]: Okay, good. What's what's I'm saying, mine, sir? Uh the the the question is I tried to ascertain this here from um um Aaron uh at at the Department of Water, but that was a failed attempt. Um my understanding there was a faulty or misreading of the register. [0:04:06, 0:04:26]: of the register or the water meters uh from the city. I think uh my understanding that the that r uh tech from PMI said it's been going on for a while. But the question of my concern was again, I couldn't ascertain this from Aaron. I or any other residents, especially in the MLK uh trail community. [0:04:26, 0:04:30]: community uh didn't receive any notice of the faulty equipment. [0:04:32, 0:04:43]: Okay. We'll have to check into that this city manager's gonna have to well since you didn't get a hold of Mr. Dusty Sarin, uh we'll have the city managers gonna have to review this and get back to you with the with the the answer and try to sort of solve this for you. [0:04:44, 0:05:04]: And be the time frame for that answer. I would I would say today is what, uh Tuesday? Give a couple days, get back to you with that. Um okay, a couple days. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. Um, Madam Clerk, that's the only public comment tonight? Yes, sir. Okay. Uh Council, we have before us a consent agenda. Council of consideration approved the use of the [0:05:04, 0:05:13]: the Merle Manders Conference Center lower level for the Main Street programs Thanksgiving Charity Community Dinner on Friday, November 15th. Presented by Mr. Gardner. [0:05:14, 0:05:16]: Presenting this? I'll say consent. Okay. [0:05:17, 0:05:27]: Consent agenda. So council I guess if you don't have any questions, we can go ahead and vote on this. Okay, any any questions? No questions? All right. Yes, sir. [0:05:32, 0:05:49]: All right. Is there a second? Second. Okay, from uh Thomas to Alexander, all favor, please indicate. Thank you very much. Unanimous decision. Okay, what's next, gentlemen? Is uh and council, I'm sorry. We got a uh presentation, public uh private partnership district representation and ordinance. I believe that's you, Mr. Gardner. [0:05:50, 0:05:51]: Oh [0:05:51, 0:05:52]: City Attorney. [0:05:52, 0:05:56]: Two turrets. All right. [0:06:05, 0:06:11]: Maybe. Do you guys have a copy of a presentation in your pocket? No, we do I no, I don't see it in here. [0:06:15, 0:06:20]: Wait, wait. Why is you talking? You can switch. [0:06:21, 0:06:41]: So, Mayor and Council, thank you. We have a couple of folks that are here that would present to you all, but we're requesting that there be an an ordinance that we go ahead and pass, which would be a special service district that we then report back to you on because we'll call it right now the entire city, but it would exclude [0:06:40, 0:07:00]: All homestead units and all residential units, and we want to create the district now. And if we create the district now, as part of the public-private partnerships, we'll be able to then come back to you all with more clarity on what the district can look like, but also and how it can be used, the public-private partnerships to further the [0:07:00, 0:07:18]: the city goals with the projects that you all want to do. And so one of the leaders in this has been John Ernst from the former mayor of Brookhaven. And Ed Wall is also our financial advisor. And so we brought both of them here to talk to you all kind of briefly about it. And [0:07:18, 0:07:30]: Nope. So nope. And so we brought we brought them here to kinda talk to you all about. And so at this time I'll just pass the floor over to them. But what we're going to be asking is for you all to [0:07:30, 0:07:47]: pass the ordinance and there's a exclusion that we'll put in it that will exclude so that we're clear all residential and and homestead units and that the Earnst Legal Group will also be a part of the team that will help to create this based on their prior experience. [0:07:48, 0:07:49]: Okay, appreciate that. [0:07:52, 0:07:52]: Thank you, sir. [0:07:53, 0:07:55]: Gentlemen, please. [0:07:56, 0:08:11]: Thank you, uh Attorney Washington. Uh good evening, Mayor and Council. How y'all doing? So, uh I want to introduce John Ertz. He's a good friend of mine, former client, mayor of Brookhaven. I was financial advisor to Mayor, uh to Brookhaven since they were founded and um [0:08:12, 0:08:13]: Um [0:08:13, 0:08:19]: Uh they hired a city manager from Ohio. All their hotels have thirty six hotels. They created a special tax district [0:08:19, 0:08:22]: just for the hotels to finance their their conference center. [0:08:22, 0:08:42]: Um Hapeville created a special tax district with just their hotels just to finance a new pumper truck for their fire department. And so a special tax district's provision in the Georgia Constitution allows you all, mayor and council or a county board of commissioners, to create all kinds of special tax districts if you want to to fund. [0:08:42, 0:08:46]: Clayton County uses a fire district to fund its fire department. [0:08:47, 0:08:54]: And so you all have a millage rate um that you implemented and you hadn't had one for twenty five, thirty years, just three point seven seven mills. [0:08:55, 0:09:15]: And your residents are sensitive to that. And so you want to do all kinds of public-private partnerships, and you don't want to tax your residents in order to get that done. And this special tax district, Mayor Ernst, reached out to me as uh as a thought process that Stockbridge could use it. He knows Bill de St. Alban as well. And um I [0:09:15, 0:09:28]: I thought it was a great idea. I introduced him to Mr. Gardner. I introduced him to Mr. Quentin Washington. They've known each other for years as well. And I wanted him to tell you about how he used the special tax tax district in Brookhaven and then talk a little bit about the mechanics. [0:09:28, 0:09:41]: Mayor. Thank you. Thank you, Ed. Yes. It's it was a pleasure working with you uh back in Brookhaven. Um it you know, it's glad that we uh were able to become friends even while we uh you no longer work for Brookhaven. [0:09:41, 0:09:54]: But I'm here to talk about special service districts. A special service district is something in the Constitution. They're called special districts in the Constitution. But there's a special district service district is how they're usually called. [0:09:54, 0:10:06]: And they're a entity, they're not a city, they're not a county, they formed by the city council uh or a county co um commission to create a district to provide services. [0:10:06, 0:10:08]: in that district's area. [0:10:09, 0:10:25]: What that the makeup of that is up to you, the policy body of the city. What's in, what's out will be end up what you guys end up deciding. Um the the district um can do any service that the uh local government can do. [0:10:27, 0:10:29]: The district doesn't have to actually be contiguous. [0:10:30, 0:10:38]: And the district itself could uh eliminate properties like your uh city attorney was talking about, uh homesteaded properties. [0:10:39, 0:10:45]: So who have used these special service districts? It's it's been something that's in the constitution for years. [0:10:46, 0:10:48]: But it's been and it's been used. [0:10:48, 0:10:57]: Um, in a lot of ways, you know, the f a special fire district or s something like that. It's what people, you know, they call them those type of things. Those are special districts. [0:10:57, 0:10:59]: And so what um [0:11:00, 0:11:20]: So the Belt Line was one of the first, you know, the Atlanta Beltline is a special service district. For years upon years, they had planned, they had taxed, they'd done they had planned all around to try to get uh the the belt line built. And then they placed a special service district around the belt line and was able to f to to be able to get that project completed. [0:11:21, 0:11:21]: On [0:11:23, 0:11:30]: Say at Brookhaven did a very similar thing. We created a special service district that was just uh commercial properties. [0:11:31, 0:11:44]: Did not include any homesteaded properties whatsoever. And provided uh we wanted to build our new city hall that's being built, was pr paid for by that. Uh parks were being paid by that, pathways were being paid by that. [0:11:44, 0:11:51]: And it's gonna be up to you guys what your policies and your um goals are. [0:11:52, 0:11:56]: That this special service district can be uh can help uh [0:11:56, 0:11:58]: Provide these services. [0:11:59, 0:11:59]: Um [0:12:00, 0:12:02]: Special service districts. [0:12:02, 0:12:04]: Can be layered upon each other. [0:12:05, 0:12:08]: They're not they're not mutually exclusive. You don't necessarily have just one. [0:12:08, 0:12:10]: You can have you can have multiple. [0:12:10, 0:12:20]: Uh so like I said, the Atlanta Beltline, uh Brookhaven City, when Brookhaven actually used a special service district for a new annexation area. I know you guys just had a massive annexation. [0:12:21, 0:12:33]: Well w our policy was anyone that came into our city would a special service district would be put on that land, and that's what's both commercial and residential, and funds would be spent by the city to upgrade. [0:12:34, 0:12:54]: Those roads, the city services, the stu stormwater, and that special district paid back the city over time so that my the my residents, my current residents, weren't paying for the annexed areas to bring them up to Brookhaven standards. And so those folks were very happy about that because they [0:12:54, 0:12:59]: were getting a service. They knew what they were going to get and they got a service. So we had um [0:12:59, 0:13:12]: And so Beltline, uh uh the city of Avondell States has one very similar to what we're talking about here in in Stockbridge, that is just their downtown area and their commercial base. Um and so they're [0:13:13, 0:13:24]: What we what we're gonna I think we're asking for Quinn if I'm not mistaken is to to pass it right now. Allow us because th the thing is the special service district has to be passed before the end of the year. [0:13:25, 0:13:45]: So that um that district is set up so that you can um if you choose to use it. If you choose to use it, you can begin to use it in 2025, if you pass it this year. What the proposal is that's in front of you all is to create the entire city as one and we exclude the [0:13:45, 0:13:49]: homestead as we were saying earlier, but we're going to create it. [0:13:50, 0:13:54]: Leave it there. We're going to come back to you all with [0:13:54, 0:14:01]: the extra what would be what we consider to be the true district and who it would exclude. [0:14:01, 0:14:12]: And then from there you can decide about what you want to do about the public-private partnerships and how much that would be able to use towards the projects that you want to fund. [0:14:12, 0:14:32]: And so that would be the first step in it, is just to create it so that we can then come back and have done the research to be able to present the actual numbers and the actual area throughout the city that it would be in. And then from there, what part of the proposal is that we were at least thinking about is we have [0:14:32, 0:14:52]: A separate retreat that we do where we discuss what we would want the projects and next steps to be with this, and then you all would be able to come back and decide about the area and the value that it would be for the residents and the businesses. [0:14:52, 0:14:52]: [893.1, 905.4]: Uh question. Yeah. Uh the if I under maybe I missed it. I gotta reach back and catch this. All right. This is only based on commercial properties that would be have this uh the taxing aspect of this? We're going to ask for we're going to ask for it to be yes. [0:15:05, 0:15:22]: It it w due to the where we're gonna do initially, I think the plan was just to to eliminate all non to eliminate all homesteaded properties and then we will have a map by the end of the year once we can run numbers to to to amend to that. [0:15:23, 0:15:43]: And Mayor, the property digest is up here. I don't know if y'all see it on the screen. Yes, sir. We got it. If you would look there, you can see the residential properties are a I don't know how to do it, or a billion two hundred and twenty-four million. Can you see that? Okay, yes. Look at the commercials, five hundred and forty-eight million. Industrial. [0:15:42, 0:16:02]: Is 73 million, utilities of 14 million. I think that our goal is for Mayor Ernst to do his magic since he's done it before, is to figure out how to draw a map that gets the commercial, the industrial, and the public utility and leaves a residential alone. And then figure out what would that produce. When he draws that map, what would that produce? [0:16:02, 0:16:08]: produce as far as revenue to help you create all this development in public private partnership. [0:16:08, 0:16:23]: And it and and the service has to be whatever service you guys deem has to be in that district. That that is one requirement. So you can't, you know, tack uh you cannot create a district and then put a s a service outside of that district. Understand. So [0:16:23, 0:16:25]: So like for example the amphitheater would be in the district. [0:16:26, 0:16:26]: Okay. [0:16:27, 0:16:45]: Fantastic. Yeah. Sir uh any well sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. Anything else, sir? Thank you. No, no, no. There's th nothing else I I I noticed. Thank you for being here, Maris. And welcome once again, welcome to Stockbridgewood Community Connects, by the way. Yes, thank you. Okay. So uh questions. Okay, back here, Mr. Thomas. Go ahead, sir. Yes. Um [0:16:46, 0:16:49]: Let me get a clear understanding, um [0:16:50, 0:16:53]: I think it was suggested that we [0:16:53, 0:16:55]: include the entire city. [0:16:57, 0:16:59]: in the district in twenty twenty four. [0:17:00, 0:17:02]: Correct. Yes. And then [0:17:02, 0:17:05]: At some point in time in twenty twenty five. [0:17:06, 0:17:08]: Come back and pinpoint. [0:17:08, 0:17:13]: an area that we really desire for this service project. [0:17:13, 0:17:16]: Yes. And but I'm gonna tell you why. Because [0:17:17, 0:17:37]: And looking because it does not have to be contiguous. We want to at least the way we wrote the the way we wrote the ordinances, everything would be in there, right? That would pass now. Then we would be able to come back and amend and you all would vote on the amendment about what all the exclusion what the exclusions would be after we've had time to further speak to you all at what [0:17:37, 0:17:42]: that would be either a retreat or another special call meeting or however you all would like to receive this information. [0:17:42, 0:17:45]: So is this a [0:17:45, 0:18:05]: One and done, meaning once you identify that one project, that means then you cannot come back. It does not so you could you can come back at any other time and declare an additional area. Yes, but right now we're going to have a service project. Yes, that's correct. Well right now we're going for the whole right now. [0:18:05, 0:18:16]: Now we're using the whole city. Right. Then we can have that's the maximum number. When we present you with this other information and you all present us with the concerns that you all have, that will be what we come up with is the actual map. [0:18:17, 0:18:18]: That you then come in here and vote on. [0:18:19, 0:18:30]: Once we voted on that amended map, you will know what that map would be able to leverage in terms of monies for capital projects or whatever projects that would be inside that district. But the amended map [0:18:30, 0:18:39]: Could be done before the end of 24. And whatever that map is, we could raise revenues in 25 on it. [0:18:39, 0:18:41]: If you draw a map that's citywide [0:18:42, 0:18:42]: Yeah. [0:18:42, 0:18:45]: choose sometime in twenty five to change it. [0:18:45, 0:19:03]: You can't raise revenue on that till twenty six. Mm-hmm. So you see what I'm saying? Right. So that's why that's why it's important we you know, you have to get it done by the end of this year so that you have options for twenty five. And depending on how quick we can work, we might you know, and and such. Um [0:19:04, 0:19:07]: That that amendment may by the end of the year so that you can level [0:19:07, 0:19:27]: uh levy or do anything you wish in twenty five. So that's that that's the issue. You have to and any change you make, it's the f it kind of goes into effect the following year. Okay. So my follow up question is once the particular area has been identified, what is the um [0:19:27, 0:19:36]: Buying in for those businesses, or how do we as a city, and I think I know the answer, but I just want to hear from you as an expert. [0:19:36, 0:19:56]: How do we approach those businesses in that particular area to get them to buy in because we'cause this will be an imposed tax to those businesses, correct? Well, so it it it can be a tax, it can be uh assessment, it can be a fee. Uh you do it. [0:19:56, 0:20:16]: We we opposed uh we we did uh impose a tax ourselves and how we how we did it is we had our master plans, which you guys are you have. You have these projects that you have uh told the public that you're looking to do. And we we did a p public information campaign of the projects that we are gonna fund out of the special service district. [0:20:16, 0:20:17]: Okay. [0:20:17, 0:20:22]: And let the folks know. Um and we had [0:20:22, 0:20:27]: you know, very good response and even from the potential um [0:20:28, 0:20:32]: companies or uh property owners, you were commercial. [0:20:32, 0:20:33]: Actually [0:20:33, 0:20:53]: They we had only one person that complained out of my entire city, and that person was just happening to sell the property and messed up escrow's for that last year and and such. Um, that was one whole uh company, and that's was a$350 million uh deal. And it is we offered them a service that we were able [0:20:53, 0:20:59]: to to provide us shuttle service for a short amount of time and he was fine. [0:20:59, 0:21:11]: So but there there is there's some buy-in, but I can tell you what happens is you're gonna create value to you to your commercial properties and to your citizens in area because [0:21:11, 0:21:13]: What happens is and [0:21:13, 0:21:17]: You know, people out Bill Satan Alban, who's a architect out here, has done some planning stuff. [0:21:18, 0:21:21]: Publi private money follows public money. [0:21:21, 0:21:28]: I don't know if you guys have heard that before. I I had heard that right when I became mayor. I never heard it before. But that that and it's it's true. [0:21:29, 0:21:39]: When public money is being spent, private money will follow because they see that that folks are are investing in the community to to go up. And those the um [0:21:40, 0:21:44]: in the amount of services that we were able to provide, um [0:21:44, 0:22:04]: in that district, the the the business owners actually saw value. So we have certain things that we do. That's gonna again we're talking about the retreat and what what's important, what's not important is is part of that aspect because the thing can be tailored. And like I said, it's this is not a one-shot deal. This is just this district. You can [0:22:04, 0:22:10]: level you can put multiple districts in multiple things. So again, if you have a problem area [0:22:11, 0:22:13]: Let's say you've a stormwater problem in an area. [0:22:13, 0:22:19]: You could just do the watershed and apply it to that stormwater area. They're the the ones who benefit. [0:22:20, 0:22:24]: And so it's it's a very flexible tool, a special service district. [0:22:24, 0:22:39]: But what the hope is is that if by granting this we have those further discussions so that in twenty twenty five or even in twenty twenty four as we've been discussing the budget process et cetera, that some of the some of the [0:22:40, 0:22:48]: we could look at and possibly anticipate some of that capital being in hand in the coming years, beginning possibly even in next year. [0:22:49, 0:22:53]: All right. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, sir. Uh Mr. Alzheimer's you have a question. [0:22:54, 0:23:02]: Yeah, let me just say this and uh being it very sensitive to what it is, the residential exemption would have to be in there tonight. Yeah. [0:23:03, 0:23:23]: Okay, we're not leaving here today with folks saying, Well, they could come back and hit us with this assessment and they left it up in the air. No, they need to be in here tonight. Yeah. Now we have special service districts in Henry County right now. The county implements and uses special service districts right now. The citizens pay a fire uh service district. [0:23:22, 0:23:42]: district to the county because we don't have our own police department. So I mean our own fire department we have our own police. So we don't have to pay the service district for that. So uh that's my first thing that now you saying that uh I just want to understand this clearly is that the map does not have to be contiguous. So pretty much we'd be isolating on a lot of commercial [0:23:42, 0:24:02]: Uh in particular areas, my district in the south side of the city. Are you in implying that if we that special service district for the whole city can be used in any of those areas non-contiguous, or does it have to be used in that specific area where it's collected at? So so the theory is a good idea. [0:24:02, 0:24:22]: The idea is I I can't imagine a a scenario, you know, talking to your attorney and and and and your city manager in which this current map that is being proposed is going to be used in term uh in until we amend this map. Um all I can tell you is a is a full um [0:24:23, 0:24:25]: as a full uh what's it called um [0:24:27, 0:24:44]: Yeah, regulation is that the sir the service has to be in the district. So if the map if the map is drawn and there's the property or whatever is going or the service that is being provided by the city has to be provided it has to be within the full of the city. [0:24:45, 0:25:05]: Well the district as you describe it is the whole commer city commercial area. Right. So it would just need to be spent somewhere correct inside the city commercial area. It couldn't be spent in the residential area because we have excluded those. Yes, yes. So so to make sure that citizens understand there's no additional tax coming for [0:25:05, 0:25:18]: No. Because they are homesteaded and prevented from being taxed under this. Yes. Correct. Under what we're going what I would vote for tonight. Correct. All right, thank you. And we were we were talking about that language just before we came up. So [0:25:18, 0:25:26]: Residential and homesteader. Oh right. Ms. Gand, go ahead please. Single family, not residential. Because I I want I I don't want apartments included with that. [0:25:27, 0:25:31]: Okay, so you want it I d did are y'all seeing apartments too? [0:25:31, 0:25:37]: I mean the renters gotta pay the rent. The the renters are gonna pay it. So Well I'm saying I I know renters have to pay rent. [0:25:37, 0:25:38]: But [0:25:38, 0:25:56]: Right now, I'm thinking I don't think it's about the rent. I don't think we're taxing renters on their rent. I don't know what what this is gonna entail. There's not any type of taxing or assessment happening right now. No assessment or anything. Yeah, I definitely don't agree with that. This is just this is just creation. [0:25:56, 0:26:02]: Like if there's going to be an assessment, you all will meet and decide what that is. But but we can go ahead and exclude now. [0:26:02, 0:26:21]: But there's not anything coming for with there's not a ask from us right now of anything that would come to be an assessment or a levy on anybody in the city. This is just the creation. This is not the actual usage or implementation. I I wouldn't want to um levy taxes on them or anything. I don't I don't want to talk about tax period. I don't even want that term. It's not even about that. [0:26:21, 0:26:30]: It's not a tax. I it's definitely not for me. I but in regards to just a special district in general. [0:26:31, 0:26:31]: Um [0:26:32, 0:26:52]: Mm multifamily to me is different. It has a different ownership. Right. And it it has a a different impact. Right. Um, that's why we have the impact different things. So let me know. I just want I'm I know we don't have any regulations. We can always scale back later. Yeah. But for now, just to be safe, I don't want to exclude something. [0:26:52, 0:27:12]: and then come back and bite me later. I definitely want to exclude real estate, I mean single family residential. Yeah. Both, both. Not just homestead, just res single family residential, period. You can claim it homestead, but they're renters in single family. That's people who own their properties. They're they're single family. [0:27:12, 0:27:32]: Dwellings. There's a difference. You got homestead exempters, and then you got second homes, you got investment homes. I don't want those included. I I that's my take on all single family residential. Single family residential. Gotcha. Okay. All right. And again, Alexander, I get what I'm gonna just say this and I'm gonna say this. It is not [0:27:32, 0:27:52]: and contradictory is just belief and theory. The owners of the apartment complex don't pay it. They put it in the rent. Oh I know. I'm not sure what it's just Well I you know, this this is fascinating because when I we created our sprook everyone, we had this exact same discussion. Yeah. Oh. Oh with this exact same discussion. And what was it out? [0:27:52, 0:28:08]: And the outcome is we did put all um all um apartments into it, into the district. And what has and what we had seen is our rent rates are not affected by um by taxes. [0:28:09, 0:28:12]: So when the city of Brookhaven became a city. [0:28:12, 0:28:23]: Two-thirds of um the commercial properties uh sorry, the commercial properties got a two-thirds hair uh haircut. They pay two-thirds less city taxes than they were previously paying when DeCab County. [0:28:23, 0:28:34]: During that time, between now, between then and the time we created the city, uh, the special tax district, the rent rates went up close to a hundred and twenty percent. [0:28:35, 0:28:36]: with a lower taxes. [0:28:37, 0:28:44]: Ta rate rental rates, and again, it's a policy decision, and I understand, but rental rates is just solely directed by what the market is. [0:28:45, 0:28:48]: If the landlord can charge more money, they're going to charge more money. [0:28:49, 0:29:09]: And it wasn't affected by it does it does it doesn't affect them what the what the taxes what or w whatever um s uh remediation they have to give to a city does not overly affect their rental rates. It didn't show it at least in Brookhaven, I've seen in multiple other places that's where that's not the case. [0:29:09, 0:29:29]: But again, that is a policy decision that you you do you have that discussion. I would, you know, err on the s the safety of of just just doing the single family and the homestead of properties and and and then come back and have that discussion later because that that that is a very popular and and in in [0:29:29, 0:29:37]: We'll be able to see with the map what does that do? What does that change do? But you know, a prime example, you know, how this came out in my own head was. [0:29:38, 0:29:58]: The CIDs. We have CIDs. I don't know if you guys have a CID around. Um, they were able to um they l levy a millage rate and it was buy-in from the the the property owners. Um and but they cannot levy to on any residential property whatsoever. And so that area was getting a lot of benefits. [0:29:58, 0:30:18]: benefit that property owner was getting a lot of benefit of the investment that was going on in the CID, but they weren't paying anything into it. And there's an equity issue there that you know where the the true value is coming from. But these are great policy discussions. I'm sure I'm gonna have these discussions with you if this go, you know, we to go through uh going forward to try to [0:30:18, 0:30:21]: Try to to make sure your will is is being done. [0:30:21, 0:30:41]: Well that was my next question was what's the difference between this and a C I D? It sounded very similar to a C I D. I didn't think that it was um, you know, anything um but it seems like there are different options in re as in regards to services, possibly or potentially. But we have Eagles Eagles and have you you guys have an association, correct? [0:30:41, 0:30:46]: Okay, and it acts similar. Well it changes the rhythm. [0:30:46, 0:31:03]: Oh yeah, but we don't want that. But I'm just saying tax like I'm I'm for the record and for always the record, I am not for taxes. I just am not. But that's just me. So again, you know, the the buy in from my community, I I could just say once you know, obviously there's always gonna be some folks who are [0:31:04, 0:31:24]: against government having any revenue. That's just nature of the beast. But you know, once they realized that, you know, it is um is being paid for by the the property owners, a commercial property, and hence by the people that come into your city, very similar to sales tax, you hear that that that term all the time. [0:31:24, 0:31:38]: that 70% of the sales tax is paid by outsiders. Well the commercial property is that same thing. Those people are coming into your city using your services and and not paying any of the taxes, but the those commercial properties is where it can can come in. [0:31:39, 0:31:40]: Any other questions? [0:31:41, 0:32:01]: Timelines. You mentioned um 2024. So here we are in November. Um the process. Um do we need to vote tonight? Yes. Okay. And so and so [0:32:01, 0:32:05]: So from from the vote, what happens from the vote? [0:32:06, 0:32:20]: From the vote, what'll happen is that per the ordinance we have, we would we're going to make sure that it's amended to have excluding all single family residential and all homesteaded properties. And [0:32:21, 0:32:26]: That's going to be that's going to be the creation of the map that's attached in the ordinance that you all have. [0:32:26, 0:32:28]: And that would be it. Then after that. [0:32:29, 0:32:49]: We're going to on the operation side work with you all and the city manager about when we're going to come together, about next steps with this for the what the map you all actually want it to be, if you want to change from there, and what the power of the district would be for the capital. [0:32:49, 0:32:57]: Projects that you all want to raise against. Could I interrupt too? So you would bring this back at the at the next meeting if we vote tonight. [0:32:57, 0:33:12]: Well no, what what what happens you would have you would have given clearance for the entire city, excluding all single family residential and all homesteads. So w we wouldn't have to rush for the for the rest of the year. We could in in twenty twenty five, then we [0:33:12, 0:33:32]: Right. Then y'all have a discussion about how y'all want to use it. You will have it, but then y'all have a separate discussion when you all wanna use it. So what if we vote tonight in twenty twenty four, we'll set and then we'll come back in twenty twenty five and then lay it out. Yes. Okay. So Councilman Thomas, the w one addition to that. [0:33:32, 0:33:51]: But I would like y'all tonight to also engage Mayor Ernst to help draw the maps that would exclude the single family and the things that he talked about. He works with the GIS at the county and the city and figures out how to draw all those maps up. And so tonight, once y'all approve this, it's like a placeholder. [0:33:52, 0:34:00]: And then he does his work, draws the maps, come back to you and says, Here's the map, and here's what the value of the property is. [0:34:01, 0:34:12]: And he gives you options, maybe option A, option B. When he draws the map, not only does he have to figure out how to draw it and which property goes in it, but he's got to include the areas you wanna spend the money to. [0:34:12, 0:34:24]: And so um I need y'all tonight to authorize us to engage him to draw the maps. And then the next step we bring him back down to you and discuss the maps, maybe retreat, like Attorney Washington said. [0:34:24, 0:34:31]: So you're talking about one motion or combined or two mo two separate motions? Just one motion. Okay. All right. There's no other questions then, council, I need a motion then. [0:34:33, 0:34:34]: Some [0:34:34, 0:34:35]: Okay. [0:34:35, 0:34:41]: Okay, and this is in reference to going forward and having the mayor join us in this process, is that right? [0:34:41, 0:35:01]: Inclusive of Mayor this is the recommendation as council has approved the special service district, inclusive of the representative um uh Mr. Ernst as described by Mr. Wall. All right, so you made a motion and Mr. Also excluding all homestead properties. Excluding all homestead single family properties and homes [0:35:01, 0:35:17]: homestead uh in this particular motion. Okay. You made the motion and Mr. Thomas second that. Right. Okay. Mr. Washington, yeah. If you're prepared, can you read that motion and then we can start to get it recorded? Mrs. Lester. [0:35:18, 0:35:26]: So in section three in the in your notebooks, we ask for pursuant to the SSD clause. [0:35:26, 0:35:46]: There is hereby created a special district for the purpose of provision of local government services and supplemental services and facilities to be funded in whole or in part by a special improvement assessment, therein to be known as Stockbridge Special Service District or Stockbridge SSD, the boundaries which will be coextensive with the boundaries of the city, excluding all single family. [0:35:46, 0:35:47]: Yeah. [0:35:48, 0:35:51]: And all homesteaded residences. [0:35:52, 0:36:07]: It will also employ Ernst Legal Group to create the maps and then report back to city council about input on selecting the final maps and the power of the assessments they want the district to have. [0:36:08, 0:36:28]: Mm. Mayor Ford, do do we have any unreadiness? Uh well here's the thing. Well, I was gonna ask for a qu I was gonna ask for further discussion. So otherwise that's the motion that's been made seconded and and put in the record. So it is some uh discussion. Ms. Grant has some discussion here. I I had I do. I have a question. How how much is this gonna cost to draw the map and where's the money coming from? [0:36:28, 0:36:35]: That's what we always ask w in in regards to our service. So it'll come from the general fund and and I can't imagine it would cost more than ten thousand. [0:36:36, 0:36:36]: Okay. [0:36:37, 0:36:39]: And mister Gardner, are you okay with that? [0:36:42, 0:36:45]: But do we have it in the general fund to do for that ten thousand? [0:36:46, 0:36:52]: 'Cause I I always wanna know how much things cost, right? We gotta be somewhat responsible. Can we say no more than? [0:36:53, 0:37:04]: Well I ax I guess you can do it under your allocation. I mean we're still gotta find where it comes from. Okay. Yeah. It's there, right? If it's the witch council we'll we'll find we'll look in in one of the departments and find [0:37:05, 0:37:06]: Okay. [0:37:06, 0:37:26]: All right, thank you. I know it's about me, but I have recommendation for my years of being mayor that you would would amend this to add a line if you haven't done it already, to allow uh the general fund to pay for it now and that the special service district pays for it back when it's established that you could get reimbursed at a later date so that that your general fund. [0:37:26, 0:37:28]: I like that. [0:37:29, 0:37:49]: So amended. Amend that to that add that. Thank you for that experience. That's right. You made the motion originally, so you can do that. And I doesn't need no second second from you as well on amendment. Okay. On that note, we'll What other discussion, Mayor? Yes, sir. I just want y'all to know this is a tool you're putting in your toolbox. You're not doing anything now other than creating the tool. [0:37:49, 0:37:50]: That's great. [0:37:50, 0:37:55]: Understand. Appreciate sir. So what the motion and amended motion to that will all in favor please indicate. 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Stockbridge Citizens Police Advisory Council meeting, first Thursday of each month, 6:30 p.m. Stockbridge Police Community Room, 4545, North Henry Boulevard. [0:38:56, 0:39:16]: November 7th. The Main Street Advisory Board meeting is the second Friday of each month at 9 a.m. location in Downtown Connection Center, 1:30 ML King Senior Heritage Trail, November 8th. City Council meeting special date, Tuesday, November 12th at 6 p.m. City Hall Council Chambers is November 12th, due to the fact that November 11th is [0:39:16, 0:39:36]: Course uh Veterans Uh Day holiday. Citywide Development Authority meeting will be canceled, has been canceled. The board will hold a retreat on February, November 15th. Location to be announced. The Downtown Development Authority meeting special date, Tuesday, November 12th at the Stockbridge Downtown Center, 130 ML King Senior Heritage Trail. [0:39:36, 0:39:56]: And that's also due to the fact that uh November eleventh is an uh Veterans Day holiday. City Council Work Session meeting last Tuesday of each month, but this time it's gonna be six p.m. Well it's at six p.m. but this time it's gonna be in the City of Council chambers on November nineteenth. And that's due to the Thanksgiving holiday week there. Youth uh council advisory committee meeting six thirty. [0:39:56, 0:40:16]: P.M. third Tuesday of each month, the Levi Meeting Room, City Hall, November 19th. And in Planning Commission meetings on Thursday of each month, 6:30 p.m. in City Hall Council Chambers, and that's November 21st. Upcoming events and initiatives. Join Councilwoman Lakeisha Gantt in partnership to Atlanta Food Truck Park for the night market at the Star Brazil. [0:40:16, 0:40:22]: Theater parking lot from six PM to nine, thirty PM November seventh and November twenty first. [0:40:22, 0:40:36]: Just November seventh. Okay. Uh there will be vendors, food, trucks, activities, games, music vibes. Contact Tam Bowers at thepeachofmind at gmail dot com for registration and additional information. [0:40:39, 0:40:59]: Please join the city of Stockbridge for the annual Veterans Day luncheon, honoring the veterans on Monday, November 11th from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. in Merrill Manor's Conference Center. You got RSVP noted on November 4th at events at stopbridge.org. Join Mayor Anthony Ford for the Meet the Mayor on Wednesday, November 18th and [0:40:59, 0:41:19]: 10 a.m. to 12 noon at Stockbridge City Hall. Join Councilman Afonso Thomas in partnership with the Mayor Pro Tem Kyle Berry for the monthly senior Bingo Bash on Wednesday, November 20th, from 10 a.m. to 12 noon at Merrill Manos Conference Center. 111 Davis Road for Raffles, Prizes, Games, Snacks, and F. Join Councilman Elton Alezander. [0:41:19, 0:41:39]: For the District 5 Town Hall on Thursday, November 21st from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. location to be announced. Councilman Thomas is honoring veterans and with a continued salute all year long. Please send your pictures of veterans with their name, branch, rank, and years of service. Councilman Thomas also will distribute free smoke detectors along. [0:41:38, 0:41:55]: along with uh Fire Marshal Demetrius Wells. Date and location be announced soon. So stay tuned for that. Join Councilman Thomas once again for Don't Trash Stockbridge Initiative Center around education highlighting on the cause and effects of littering and illegal dumping. More information following that as well. [0:41:55, 0:41:58]: contact Rawls and Rawls to schedule an appointment with meet the mayor. [0:41:58, 0:42:08]: For more information on council initiatives and events is 678-833-3348 or by way of email, rawls at starbridgega.org. [0:42:09, 0:42:15]: Once again we're in the month of October, getting ready to go into November. So first of all, have a safe and happy Halloween. [0:42:15, 0:42:35]: Uh number two, make sure it's flu seas flu season, so make sure you get your flu shots and your COVID-19 boosters. Get updated on that. We want you to be healthy and safe during the course of the holiday season. And congratulations thus far to Atlanta Falcons for leading up the NFC South, leading that particular conference. Hopefully they'll keep it up ongoing through the season, getting the playoffs. We shall see. On that note, council. [0:42:35, 0:42:55]: So I need a motion to go to executive session to handle and deal with p uh personnel uh actions. Mayor, if I could make one comment. Yes, sir. What's that? About we did say election day is November fifth. And yes sir we certainly uh early voting continues. But there's no Saturday voting this week. There's no Sunday voting. So if you want to vote early, you gotta vote by [0:42:55, 0:43:15]: By Friday. They're at 7 to 7 every day this week in Stockbridge. That's at Merrill Manders Conference Center. The city has a couple of folks. There's a lot of things going on out there. Like we have a homestead exemption on the ballot this year that folks need to know about. And they'll determine whether or not they get the homestead credit by how they vote. [0:43:15, 0:43:35]: And certainly we have a splash that's on the ballot that will be determined. I think uh some of the things that we have on there, we have$10 million acclimated to uh the recreation multi-generational recreation center and certain other projects in the city. And if you want to see that center, [0:43:35, 0:43:55]: Certainly uh you would vote yes. If you do not, you would vote no. It's gonna be up to you whether or not we build the recreation center and numerous other projects. So thank you. Oh thank you for that up there. I appreciate that. Yes, okay, Miss Gantt. Looks like okay. All right. On that note, uh we need a uh need to go in a second session motion for that for to handle personal. [0:43:55, 0:43:58]: Okay, is there a second? [0:44:00, 0:44:07]: Circuit. Okay, so from Miss Scant to to Mr. Alexander, all in favor, please indicate. All right, so you now go into the second session. We'll be back soon. [0:44:11, 0:44:11]: Okay. [0:44:15, 0:44:20]: Well I always talked about that at FPF and I don't know why I slipped my mind not to say that percent. [0:44:59, 0:45:12]: How long you go right by that mask'cause it's going around. Oh yeah, it is. It's too many. It's it's already it's already tired. My cra my crap is already there. [1:08:31, 1:08:31]: Oh. [1:08:39, 1:08:41]: Are we live? Okay. [1:08:42, 1:08:43]: All right. [1:08:45, 1:08:53]: All right, council. I need a a motion to end the second session, please. So move. I second. Okay for Mr. Berry to Miss Cannon all in favor please indicate. [1:08:54, 1:08:57]: Okay. I need a motion to reconvene or [1:08:57, 1:09:04]: Uh council, council work session. So move. From Miss Gantts okay, from Miss Gantt to Mr. Berry. All in favor, please indicate. [1:09:05, 1:09:10]: And we have nothing to report from a second session, so now I need a motion to end our council meeting. [1:09:11, 1:09:19]: Okay. Miss Gantt, okay, is there a second? Mr. Is there a second? All in favor, please indicate? All right, God bless you. Unanimous. Good night.

--- title: Planning Commission date: 2024-10-17 source: 2024-10-17_Planning_Commission.wav --- [0:00:00, 0:00:00]: To my right. [0:00:01, 0:00:03]: David Play and Sean to my far left. [0:00:04, 0:00:08]: Jaden Williams to my far right. Matthew Thomas to my [0:00:09, 0:00:12]: Next it must planch on to my far far left. [0:00:14, 0:00:18]: And Mr. Mitten, who's the Vice Chair to my immediate left. [0:00:20, 0:00:24]: The staff members are Ryan Anderson, who's the community development director. [0:00:25, 0:00:27]: Valerie Ross said it's only an attorney. [0:00:28, 0:00:29]: Kidra Jackson, chief planner. [0:00:30, 0:00:34]: Linda Logan, senior planner and planner commission secretary. [0:00:36, 0:00:38]: Gordon Linton, senior planner. [0:00:41, 0:00:45]: There are a few protocols that I need to make you aware of before we start the meeting. [0:00:46, 0:00:49]: Please listen closely on how tonight's meeting will be conducted. [0:00:52, 0:00:56]: Keep your comments and presentations on a professional level. [0:00:56, 0:01:00]: Dealing with facts that are important for this commission to make its decision. [0:01:01, 0:01:04]: We will not accept any comments that are considered [0:01:05, 0:01:10]: by the chair to be a personal attack on any individual or group of individuals. [0:01:11, 0:01:14]: You'll receive a warning from the chair if you deviate from this requirement. [0:01:15, 0:01:21]: A second deviation will result in the request for you to leave the meeting and the premises for the evening. [0:01:23, 0:01:36]: Refrain from any applause or comments from the audience. Only one person will be talking at a time and all comments will be made at the podium after the speaker has been recognized by the chair. [0:01:37, 0:01:42]: Please direct all comments to the chair and the commission, not to the audience or staff. [0:01:45, 0:01:46]: Please didn't ask. [0:01:46, 0:01:56]: applaud or react to speakers, speak from the audience, cheer or carry on a conversation with others in the audience, or disrupt the order of this meeting in any way. [0:01:59, 0:02:11]: Be aware that these things these hearings are not a debate or an opportunity to ask questions which must be answered by any individual tonight, but merely an opportunity to present information to the Commission. [0:02:12, 0:02:16]: About ten minutes allotted for the pro side of the application. [0:02:17, 0:02:20]: Other than the applicant, no person may speak longer than five minutes. [0:02:23, 0:02:27]: If you have a cell phone or other electronic device [0:02:27, 0:02:29]: I ask that you either power them off. [0:02:30, 0:02:32]: Or put them in solid mode. [0:02:33, 0:02:44]: If anyone wishes to speak tonight, please fill out a speaker's form, which is available on the table up front, and hand it to a staff member before approaching the podium. [0:02:46, 0:02:59]: After each case is called, we'll hear next from the city staff and then we'll hear from the applicant or their representative about what the plans are for the property, along with any other relevant information they wish to present. [0:03:01, 0:03:05]: The commissioner members will be free to ask questions at any time before [0:03:06, 0:03:07]: To vote on a project. [0:03:07, 0:03:16]: Following the applicant, anyone who wish to speak for or against the project or just to ask questions will have the opportunity to do so. [0:03:17, 0:03:25]: Each side is restricted to a maximum of ten minutes, or time may be waived at the discretion of the presiding officer. [0:03:26, 0:03:29]: If questions are raised, we may ask the applicant to speak again. [0:03:31, 0:03:34]: Afterwards we will call for a motion and a second. [0:03:35, 0:03:42]: Have any necessary discussion, and if the matter is not tabled, we will vote to recommend approval or denial of the application. [0:03:43, 0:03:46]: This commission is on a a recommending body. [0:03:47, 0:03:49]: The item will be heard by the mayor and council. [0:03:50, 0:03:52]: whether we recommend approval or recommend denial. [0:03:54, 0:04:01]: Unless they are tabled, these items will be heard by the city manager and the council at their meeting on Monday, october fourteenth. [0:04:03, 0:04:07]: I think that's the misprint. And the items will be voted upon at that meeting. [0:04:09, 0:04:11]: Madam Chair, I need a roll call, please. [0:04:17, 0:04:23]: Madam Secretary. I'm following the agenda, please. Roll call. [0:04:25, 0:04:26]: Excuse me? [0:04:26, 0:04:31]: D I'm following the agenda I was presented and item number one says roll call. [0:04:31, 0:04:33]: Okay, Stanley Dumas. [0:04:33, 0:04:34]: He present. [0:04:35, 0:04:36]: Anthony Minton? Present. [0:04:37, 0:04:39]: Harold Thibodeau? President. [0:04:40, 0:04:41]: David Planchon. [0:04:41, 0:04:42]: Present. [0:04:43, 0:04:47]: Jaden Williams. Present. Matthew Thomas? Present. [0:04:47, 0:04:49]: Mr. Chairman, we have a quorum tonight. [0:04:49, 0:04:50]: Thank you. [0:04:52, 0:04:57]: Thank you, Madam Secretary. Mr. Tibodeau, would you lead us in the implication, please? [0:04:58, 0:05:04]: Uh let's bow our head. God the Father, through Jesus Christ, give us the wisdom and the understanding. [0:05:04, 0:05:09]: to say and do the right thing towards the citizens of Stockbridge. In Jesus' name, amen. [0:05:10, 0:05:12]: Man, let us stand for the pledge. [0:05:17, 0:05:30]: A pledge of allegiance to the plan of the United States of America and to the Republic of which is just one nation under God indivisible with liberty and just as well. [0:05:40, 0:05:43]: Thank you very much. I need a motion please to adopt the agenda. [0:05:43, 0:05:47]: Chair. Yes. I have a quick question about the agenda, if I may. [0:05:48, 0:05:48]: Go right ahead, sir. [0:05:49, 0:05:55]: Uh item number three under new business, the board training, would that be before after we adjourn the meeting? [0:05:56, 0:05:58]: Item number three. [0:05:59, 0:06:02]: That's the question for staff. I don't have the answer to that. [0:06:04, 0:06:13]: It's Mr Anderson. Is that present? Is it for board the Planning Commission board training? Is that for the public as well to listen in or are we gonna adjourn and then [0:06:15, 0:06:18]: Uh no, it's not a public hearing, it's just for the board members. [0:06:19, 0:06:20]: Okay so [0:06:29, 0:06:32]: Okay, thank you. Uh Chair, I'm making a motion to adopt the agenda. [0:06:33, 0:06:49]: Thank you, sir. Any second, please? I second it. It's been moved. Second it. Mr. Williams has made a motion to adopt the agenda. Mr. Pivotal has seconded. All in favor, let it be known by the sound of aye. Aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. [0:06:50, 0:06:51]: The agenda is adopted. [0:06:53, 0:06:57]: You have before you the minutes from the September nineteenth [0:06:58, 0:06:59]: Plan a commission meeting. [0:07:00, 0:07:04]: You have not already done so, I'll give you a minute to peruse those. [0:07:06, 0:07:08]: For any necessary corrections? [0:07:17, 0:07:20]: If there are no corrections, I need a motion to approve, please. [0:07:20, 0:07:25]: Mr. Chairman, Anthony Mitten makes the motion to approve the summary minutes. Second. [0:07:26, 0:07:30]: It's been moved by Mr. Mitten and seconded by Mr. Thomas. [0:07:30, 0:07:40]: That we approve the minutes of the September nineteenth, twenty twenty four Planning Commission meeting. All those in favor, let it be known by the sound of I please. Aye. Okay. Any opposed? [0:07:41, 0:07:42]: Yeah. [0:07:42, 0:07:44]: The eyes have it. The minutes are approved. [0:08:00, 0:08:07]: The first item on tonight's agenda is special use case, special use permit case. [0:08:08, 0:08:11]: S P. E. dash twenty twenty four dash zero two. [0:08:13, 0:08:19]: Special m special use permit case to be located in council district four. [0:08:23, 0:08:27]: We held above public hearing on this case on September nineteenth. [0:08:29, 0:08:35]: So consideration of a special use permit request to allow for a liquor store. [0:08:36, 0:08:38]: On property at one o six Rock Quarry Road. [0:08:39, 0:08:44]: The applicant is G R P L C agent is [0:08:45, 0:08:47]: Kukishimar Patel. [0:08:49, 0:08:57]: The property is located in landlot sixty-two of district twelve and it contains point eight nine acres more or less. [0:08:58, 0:09:00]: Mr. Linton, please. [0:09:19, 0:09:20]: Second Mr. Zooman. [0:09:23, 0:09:31]: Uh let me read into the record that the Planning Commission members were scheduled to vote on this case on September nineteenth, twenty twenty four. [0:09:31, 0:09:40]: However, due to absence, the note um the vote was postponed and the meeting was diverted today's meeting. So now all we have to do is vote. [0:09:41, 0:09:41]: Thank you, sir. [0:09:44, 0:09:50]: Madam Attorney, do we all need to vote again or do it does the uh only the absence? [0:09:50, 0:09:52]: Uh Commission Mimani to vote. [0:09:53, 0:09:58]: So it's going to be a motion again tonight. So someone needs to make a motion. [0:10:04, 0:10:06]: So all of us need to work in. [0:10:21, 0:10:24]: Okay. Very good. I need a motion from the commission, please. [0:10:25, 0:10:40]: Chair. Yes sir. Sorry, before we make a motion. Um if possible, Gordon, could you tell us what exactly are the uh special requests or special use permits that they're requesting exactly from the city? [0:10:44, 0:11:01]: So the special use permit, this is for the uh liquor store um for one oh six Rock Croy Road that was heard on September nineteenth. Um as you know the applicant they won the uh lottery application and once they won the lottery application they had to go through a um special use permit. [0:11:04, 0:11:06]: Mr. Gordon, I have a question. Uh [0:11:07, 0:11:09]: Go ready? [0:11:09, 0:11:12]: Uh I need to ask a question. Um [0:11:13, 0:11:16]: You said this is a lottery. Who who issues the lottery? [0:11:17, 0:11:36]: Uh so the city they is they had like a um the lottery permit that was held on I believe around June. Um and the applicant Mr. Patel won and once he won they had to go through he had to go through the uh special use permit. Now you're saying the city issues the lottery? [0:11:36, 0:11:45]: Yeah. Okay. Does the patron live in the city of Stockbridge? But a liquor store? Does does that individual live in the city? [0:11:46, 0:11:46]: No. [0:11:47, 0:11:48]: Repeat that again one more time. [0:11:50, 0:11:52]: A patron who wants the liquor store. [0:11:52, 0:11:55]: Mm-hmm. Do they live into live in the city or the county? [0:11:56, 0:11:58]: In the c in the city. Okay. [0:11:58, 0:11:59]: Yeah, that's all. [0:12:04, 0:12:06]: Are there any more questions for Mr Linton? [0:12:08, 0:12:11]: Not I need a motion pleased from the commission. [0:12:12, 0:12:13]: Yeah. [0:12:14, 0:12:19]: Mr. Chairman, this Dave Planchin, I'll second that. Or did you make a motion? I'm sorry. [0:12:19, 0:12:21]: I'm asking for a motion. [0:12:23, 0:12:37]: I'm sorry, I'm the attorney for the business, Lisa Morshower. I was here last time. Am I understand I had to run out to my car to get my book, so so I I'm sorry I didn't hear what you said at the very beginning. But are you are we not having the entire hearing again? [0:12:37, 0:12:49]: Because somebody was missing and how can that person vote if we do not have the entire hearing again? Let me defer to the attorney, please. Again, would you make uh make her comfortable with what's going on? [0:12:50, 0:13:10]: Again, the motion was to continue this public hearing to this date to be able to have a full board tonight for the vote. Now, the public hearing, and Linda, you may want to uh tell me from the minutes. I don't believe the public hearing was closed. I believe the entire [0:13:10, 0:13:21]: matter was continued to tonight. So we would have to just see if the public hearing was closed. If it was closed, then there could be a motion to open the public hearing again. [0:13:23, 0:13:25]: [811.1, 812.9]: Any comments, Madam Secretary? [0:13:37, 0:13:41]: It's my recollection that the public hearing was closed last time. [0:13:44, 0:13:48]: Yeah, I would love for Miss Logan to verify that, but [0:13:51, 0:13:55]: Uh Madam Chair uh I mean Mr Chair, may I speak? [0:13:55, 0:13:56]: Go right ahead, sir. [0:13:56, 0:14:03]: Uh at the time we only had one person in opposition of that at that time. That's true, sir. [0:14:04, 0:14:11]: Well that is not correct. Well, correct me, sir, because I was at the meeting and I only seen one person come up to the podium at that time. [0:14:12, 0:14:20]: You mean one person from the public? Yes. No, from the public is what I'm referring to, okay? You are correct, sir. All right, thank you. [0:14:23, 0:14:33]: Um I can read part of the minutes from the meeting. Um and it says Harold Thibodeau made a motion to approve SP twenty twenty-four oh two. [0:14:33, 0:14:44]: And Jaden Williams seconded the motion. A vote was taken. Harold Thibodeau and Jaden Williams voted to approve this case, while Anthony Minton and Matthew Thomas voted to oppose this case. [0:14:44, 0:14:53]: Um that's not what I'm asking for, ma uh madam secretary. What I'm asking you to rewind back before that vote was taken, did we close the public hearing? [0:14:54, 0:14:56]: I'm I'm hope to [0:14:58, 0:15:16]: Get get to the that. So then Chairman Dan Stanley Dumas was about to cast a tie breaking vote to not deny this case. But Valerie Ross City's owning attorney said planning commission's bylaws allowed the case to be continued to Planning Commission's next meeting in order to take a note another vote with a full six member board. [0:15:16, 0:15:17]: Present. [0:15:18, 0:15:22]: This case can be continued to the next planning commission meeting since there was a split vote with [0:15:22, 0:15:24]: One member, David Planchon. [0:15:24, 0:15:26]: Uh out tonight. [0:15:26, 0:15:46]: But Ms. Ross said the city council may still take action on this case before then the applicant's attorney agreed with deferring SP twenty twenty four until next planning commission meeting on October seventeen, twenty-four. I don't have any notes which said that public hearing was was a closed, but um [0:15:46, 0:15:49]: It the board action did come after [0:15:49, 0:15:59]: the public hearing. We had a public hearing in which only one person spoke, then there were board comments and staff responses, and then after that the board action. [0:16:02, 0:16:08]: The board would not have commented and taken action until the public hearing was closed. [0:16:08, 0:16:08]: Sure. [0:16:09, 0:16:29]: If I may, I I'm kinda rem go ahead, sir. Thank you, sir. If I may, um I actually remember now. So we did the vote. We did the public hearing. You opened, you closed it. We did the vote. Um the representation of the applicant uh I guess acute you know, appealed our vote by saying they wanna object it and move it to the next meeting. And I believe that's what we did. Um [0:16:29, 0:16:40]: Um she brought it back to the next meeting. If I'm not mistaken, that's the vote we decided on. We did vote. We closed the hearing and then she wanted to bring it back. So is that correct? [0:16:41, 0:16:48]: Thank you, Mr Williams. Mr madam Attorney, uh I need directions from you. What do we do next? [0:16:50, 0:17:10]: It's up to the pleasure of this board. If the board wants to reopen this matter by motion to have the public hearing or to re-reopen the public hearing, this board can do that. If the minutes or from what you all are saying are correct, the public hearing was closed and it was deferred. [0:17:10, 0:17:27]: To this meeting for a vote. So if you all want to reopen the public hearing, that would have to be by motion and a vote so that the public hearing can be reopened again. And then you would hear that for and against, and then you would close the public hearing again and then vote again. [0:17:29, 0:17:30]: So it sounds like [0:17:34, 0:17:43]: I actually object if you have a vote without the fi the fifth person hearing the case. How in the world can this person who didn't see the case or hear it vote? [0:17:44, 0:17:46]: That wouldn't that was not the purpose of my deferral. [0:17:47, 0:17:55]: My understanding was that we would have a whole new hearing because one of the members was missing. I didn't understand that we were going to have a vote without having a hearing. [0:17:56, 0:17:57]: That was never what I intended. [0:17:58, 0:18:18]: And I would respectfully request you to have the hearing again because I don't think it's fair to ask some somebody to vote on a hearing that they have not even heard, nor is it fair to the applicant who I represent. And I I do object to it. I s I don't think your rules allow for that. I don't think you can have somebody vote on a hearing that they were not present at. So there would have [0:18:17, 0:18:20]: been no purpose to defer it and I just I mean [0:18:21, 0:18:29]: I came from Atlanta two and a half hours to come to this hearing to present this case again so that the person who wasn't here could hear it. [0:18:29, 0:18:31]: Otherwise there would have been no [0:18:31, 0:18:51]: purpose at all for me to come for us to be here because the person voting has to hear the the case. It doesn't make any sense and and due respect. It just does not make sense. How could this person make a valid decision? Are you asking us to respond or are you gonna just continue to talk about the I'm just trying to get my objections out for the record because I do [0:18:51, 0:19:08]: And we're loud and clear. Thank you. And I would not assume because these meetings are recorded, I would not assume that Mr. Planchon has not heard the case from last meeting. That may be correct, it may not be correct. [0:19:08, 0:19:15]: But my concern is if we op reopen the public hearing and we haven't notified the public. [0:19:15, 0:19:21]: The public doesn't have an opportunity to weigh in. That's that's my only concern. [0:19:50, 0:19:51]: If you want. [0:19:51, 0:20:05]: do a motion to reopen a public hearing because it the law is very clear. You do not have, because there would be too burdensome on local governments to have to constantly advertise for the same public hearing. [0:20:05, 0:20:10]: So the courts look at it as just one continuous hearing and [0:20:17, 0:20:37]: Thank you for clarification. I need a motion to reopen the hearing. Chair. Yes, sir. I'd actually like um if it's okay with the board, uh again, just going back off the sentiments that you said, we really didn't push it back for the community to hear. I'd actually like to make a motion, um, if it's okay with our absent member from the last meeting to make a motion that the commission [0:20:37, 0:20:42]: votes make motion to vote rather than reopen the hearing. [0:20:44, 0:20:52]: May I speak, Mr. Chair? Go right ahead, sir. I I think it's only fair for her to present her case to the member that wasn't here. [0:20:53, 0:21:13]: I don't think it it it'll hinder our time frame, but uh she has a point about presenting her case. I mean, how do you establish the fact that uh we all gonna be on one accord if she doesn't state her case to the last member that was a motion? [0:21:13, 0:21:16]: Motion, sir. If that's what your opinion is, make the motion. [0:21:18, 0:21:24]: I'd like to present a motion that we reopen. Chair, I've already made a motion, so you'd have to go. Well, I'll second it then. [0:21:25, 0:21:45]: You're not making the motion that he made. No, I'm not sure. So he's saying vote. I'm I'm I'm saying not vote. Give her a chance to second his motion, you're saying right to vote. You're saying not to reopen it. I'm saying so uh Commissioner, I'm saying not to reopen the case. Exactly. And he's saying [0:21:45, 0:21:52]: Second it, but with his dialogue said that we should reopen. Correct. So it's confusing to me. Okay, let me establish this with you. [0:21:53, 0:22:08]: I just need a second on Mr. Williams' motion. Well I'm not gonna second. I I'll retract my second. Maybe someone else will. Mr. Thomas second it? Yes. All those in favor of not reopening the case, let it be known by the sound of aye. Aye. Aye. [0:22:10, 0:22:13]: And you gotta know here. Let me have a show of hands, please. [0:22:15, 0:22:16]: Three against reopening. [0:22:18, 0:22:19]: Anybody your poles? [0:22:20, 0:22:21]: Post. [0:22:21, 0:22:23]: Two appules for [0:22:27, 0:22:29]: So we will not reopen the case. [0:22:30, 0:22:32]: Alex, I took vote on [0:22:34, 0:22:40]: the substance of this hearing which is your recommendation to [0:22:45, 0:22:52]: Okay. Right. Very good. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, who seconded the motion, please? [0:22:53, 0:22:55]: Mr. Thomas. [0:23:01, 0:23:12]: Chair. Now I go right ahead, sir. Go ahead. I need a motion from the commission on the substance of the case, SP twenty twenty four-zero two. [0:23:14, 0:23:22]: Chair. Consideration of a special use request to allow for a liquor store on the property at one o six Rock Halloween Road. [0:23:23, 0:23:26]: The applicant is G R P L L C [0:23:27, 0:23:28]: I Chen is [0:23:29, 0:23:40]: Gersh Kuma Patel, the property is located in landlot sixty two, District twelve, and it contains point eight nine acres more or less. I need a vote a motion, please. [0:23:41, 0:23:46]: Mr. Chairman, this is Dave Planchon. I'd like to make a motion we approve. [0:23:47, 0:23:55]: The special use permit submitted by uh uh GRP L L C and allow liquor store to be [0:23:57, 0:23:58]: Put on that property. [0:23:59, 0:24:02]: Is there a second, please? Ms. Harrow, I'll second it. [0:24:02, 0:24:07]: Thank you. It's been moved by Mr. Planchon and seconded by Mr. Thibodeau. [0:24:09, 0:24:17]: That we approve special use permit case SP 2024-02. All in favor? Let it be known by show of hands. [0:24:19, 0:24:28]: Aye. Aye. Aye. We have uh f four voting y in their polls. [0:24:28, 0:24:28]: Aye. [0:24:30, 0:24:33]: We have one, Mr. Thomas voting in opposition. [0:24:37, 0:24:43]: So the special use permit case is being approved for recommendation to the council. [0:24:51, 0:24:52]: Thank you, ma'am. [0:24:56, 0:25:00]: The next item is text amendment case T X twenty twenty four dash zero six. [0:25:02, 0:25:15]: So citywide consideration of an ordinance ordinance to amend title twelve of Unified Development Code, Section 3.2.14C. [0:25:16, 0:25:27]: And to add sections three point two point one four E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, N P. [0:25:28, 0:25:30]: of the Code of Ordnance. [0:25:31, 0:25:35]: City of Stockbridge, Georgia relating to convenience stores. [0:25:35, 0:25:37]: Almobile gasoline sales. [0:25:38, 0:25:41]: So as to amend the distance requirement. [0:25:42, 0:25:43]: From forty five hundred feet. [0:25:45, 0:25:46]: To eight hundred feet. [0:25:47, 0:25:51]: And to add additional requirements. Mr. Linton, please. [0:25:54, 0:26:00]: Thank you, Chair. Uh this is the presentation for the TX twenty-four-zero six. [0:26:09, 0:26:28]: And the purpose is to amend the distance requirements for gas stations with convenience stores from forty five hundred feet to eight hundred feet, which is section three point two one four C, and to add additional requirements for convenience stores with gas stations from sections three point two one four E through Q. [0:26:31, 0:26:51]: And this is the background for the reason we we wanted this. In in the past, staff has received inquiries about establishing convenience stores with gas stations in the city of Stockbridge. However, the current required distance of 4,500 feet found in section 3.2144C is too restrictive by [0:26:51, 0:26:52]: Potential developers. [0:26:54, 0:26:59]: Who argue that it limits the feasibility of establishing new convenience stores for gas stations in the area? [0:27:02, 0:27:13]: Currently this is the uh gas station map. We currently have twenty one in the area, as you can see with the dots. And the one uh faded in blue is the city boundary limits. [0:27:19, 0:27:25]: These are the current standards found in section three point two one four of the UDC, which is shown highlighted in C. [0:27:30, 0:27:48]: And these are the changes that were made to section three point one four C of the Stockbridge Unified Development Code, where it says that gasoline service stations shall maintain a separation distance requirement of eight hundred feet. This distance shall be measured from the property line to property line of another gasoline service station. [0:27:50, 0:28:10]: And these are the requirements that will be added to section 3.214 of the UDC. Uh the gas station must be located on a property which has frontage on either a collector or our tiller road, as is classified by the Georgia Department of Transportation or the Henry County Department of Transportation. The property must have a base zoning of C3. [0:28:10, 0:28:30]: and C2 via a special use permit. All property design standards of the base zoning district must be met. The building facades for both primary and accessory structures must be constructed of bricks on all sides. At the gasoline stations an equal number of electric charging stations as gas pumps [0:28:30, 0:28:46]: must be provided on the sites and covered canopies must be provided over the gas pumps and electric charging stations. And acceptable means of app access and internal circulations must be provided to be determined by the fire marshal. The required number of parking spaces must be provided. [0:28:48, 0:29:08]: The required buffers must be required and other special requirements to be determined by the community development director. The investment must be eight million dollars or more. The gas station must have suites for at least two subtenance. And as far as proliferation, there there shall be no more than three gasoline stations with a one mile radius to avoid proliferation. [0:29:08, 0:29:12]: proliferation and all gas stations must meet the other causal ordinances. [0:29:14, 0:29:17]: And this is the draft of the ordinance once it's is written. [0:29:21, 0:29:37]: And based on the research, staff recommends approval. And by reducing the current distance requirement for the convenience store with a gas station from forty five hundred to feet to eight hundred feet, it will make it easier for developers to pursue new development and interest in the city of Stockbridge. [0:29:39, 0:29:50]: Thank you, Mr. Lynn. I have a couple of questions for you, please. For clarification, the distance, the feet distance that you refer to. [0:29:51, 0:29:57]: It's not clear in in your narrative, but that's the distance between one gas station to another one. Is that correct? [0:29:59, 0:30:03]: Yes. Property line. Yes, from a property line to property line. Yes. [0:30:03, 0:30:06]: But but it's between two gas stations. [0:30:07, 0:30:07]: Yeah. [0:30:08, 0:30:09]: Well that wasn't clear to be fun. [0:30:10, 0:30:30]: The second question in number F, you said the property must have a base zoning district of C three and C two? Yes. That should be or or not in. Uh uh am I reading that or just understanding it incorrectly? Yeah, this uh so gasoline station they're either permitted in a C three or C two. [0:30:29, 0:30:32]: [1834.4, 1841.5]: So that should be or instead of and then shouldn't it? Uh or yes, it should be or it should be or it should be or. Thank you. [0:30:42, 0:30:45]: The other question I have the number N is [0:30:46, 0:30:49]: How did you arrive at the eight million dollar investment? [0:30:51, 0:30:54]: Uh let's see. [0:30:56, 0:31:15]: So Mr. Chairman, if I might ask on that question as well. Is that Gordon, is that driven by the eight million dollars that uh Chairman Newvis just asked? Is that driven, for instance, by the electrical charging stations? Because that's a very expensive investment. Right is that part of this eight million dollar figure? [0:31:15, 0:31:16]: Uh [0:31:19, 0:31:20]: Hold on, just [0:31:25, 0:31:28]: I apologize, Vice Chair. Can you please repeat your question? [0:31:29, 0:31:44]: So I just wanted to to to kind of build on Chairman Doumas' comment here, where he was asking an item in where we came up with that eight million dollars. Is that tied to, for instance, the number of electrical charging stations? Since that is a pretty costly investment. [0:31:45, 0:32:05]: Right. Right. So yes, the investment itself can be tied to the electrical charging stations. However, keep in mind that these are conditions that staff has implemented. You do not have to accept these conditions. You can modify them or you can um exclude them from the conditions. [0:32:05, 0:32:10]: But yes, it would include the investment of charging stations. [0:32:10, 0:32:16]: I'm not attempting to modify I just want understanding as how you arrived at eight million dollars. [0:32:17, 0:32:30]: Correct. Um so there were uh many conversations that went into this, some that I'm not privy to. Um however this is one of the um results of those conversations. [0:32:32, 0:32:45]: It's I never seen a dollar figure being associated with a zoning before. I it's just it kinda make me uncomfortable, but I I trust the staff and what you tell me. [0:32:46, 0:32:57]: I certainly understand. And if this is something that makes you uncomfortable, again, you do not have to go with this condition. You do have the right to remove, modify, or amend. [0:33:02, 0:33:06]: Well, you guys are in a much better position to know what's appropriate. [0:33:07, 0:33:10]: Uh I would not try to tell you how to [0:33:10, 0:33:11]: Conduct your business. [0:33:11, 0:33:14]: I just asked the question as to how you arrived at. [0:33:15, 0:33:19]: That that's all I'm I'm not saying it's incorrect. I'm not saying it shouldn't be there. [0:33:19, 0:33:24]: I'm so I'm not saying it should be less, I'm not saying it should be more. I just wanna understand. [0:33:25, 0:33:28]: Because it's it's new to me. I I'm I've never seen [0:33:29, 0:33:37]: And I don't like that inner zoning orders or special use permit or any type of zoning issue that we've had to entertain. [0:33:38, 0:33:46]: Definitely. Your observation is definitely respected. Um, unfortunately I do not have the full details of how this amount came about. [0:33:46, 0:33:47]: Thank you. [0:33:52, 0:33:54]: This doesn't require public hearing. [0:33:55, 0:33:57]: Madam Atorn, is that correct? [0:34:01, 0:34:03]: Okay. [0:34:03, 0:34:04]: Okay. [0:34:06, 0:34:13]: Well this meeting is now open for public comment. Chair does the board ask questions before or after the hearing? [0:34:14, 0:34:17]: You can ask your question now if you want to go out of here. [0:34:17, 0:34:28]: Thank you, Chair. Um, I just had a few questions for staff. Um, how many I know you put the map up, but I wanted to get the number. How many gas stations do we actually have in the city? [0:34:28, 0:34:45]: Twenty one in the city limits. Okay, and I know that's just the city, but do you know by chance how many we have that are in the city but are developed by the county? We do not have that number as far as countywide. We just have the numbers that far as in the city boundaries. Okay. Uh city limits. [0:34:47, 0:34:49]: All right. So [0:34:50, 0:35:10]: I w I kinda wanna get a justification on why we we want to move it from forty five hundred to eight hundred feet, only because just going based off the general US rule of thumb, with our population of what, thirty six thousand people, we really only need for a feasible operating gas station line, you only need twelve to eighteen, if I'm doing my math correct. So [0:35:10, 0:35:15]: So what what's the actual reasoning of us reducing this for more gas stations in the city? [0:35:28, 0:35:30]: You want to answer. [0:35:36, 0:35:38]: Thank you, Commissioner Williams. Um [0:35:40, 0:35:45]: Many things went into consideration in creating this Test Amendment. One is um [0:35:45, 0:35:47]: Our population. [0:35:47, 0:35:55]: Um, the second is that we've had several inquiries for a gas station. Um and we [0:35:56, 0:35:57]: Based on the [0:35:58, 0:36:18]: uh regulations in the code, it will prevent um those developers that are coming before us to move forward with the gas station. So we wanted to relax the code to allow um equal opportunity to those that have come to us in the past and and to the future. [0:36:20, 0:36:21]: Okay. Um [0:36:22, 0:36:33]: Thank you for that. I just have a so quick question, I know you probably know it by heart, but what's the square feet distance that we have to have for our hair salons and barbershops in the city? [0:36:34, 0:36:53]: But b between one another. So there is not a distance requirement with hair salines barbershops. What we have is a limit to of the number of those uses that are allowed in the city. What's that limit? Six. Six. Okay. Um I had another question that literally just passed my mind. [0:36:55, 0:36:58]: I'd like to add something too. Don't worry about it. Go ahead. [0:36:59, 0:37:12]: Uh Commissioner Williams, I apologize. Let me make a correction to my last statement. So no less than a mall in regards to barber shops, hair salons, nail shops. [0:37:13, 0:37:14]: Are there others? [0:37:14, 0:37:34]: And tower shops. Okay. I'm fine with it. I just have I again just like the chair said, I trust staff. I just want to make sure, you know, we're playing every single part. I I don't really feel comfortable voting on this without knowing how many this this county have put in the city limits. Although y'all have the number for the city, you know, you still have those. [0:37:34, 0:37:41]: next parts that are around the city that the county brings in. So I really wanna get that number on top of the twenty one that we have in the city. [0:37:44, 0:37:48]: We can certainly get that information for you. We just do not have it tonight. [0:37:50, 0:37:53]: Thank you. Any other comments from the Commission? [0:37:56, 0:37:57]: Questions or comments? [0:38:02, 0:38:06]: Hearing none, we will open the floor up for public comments. [0:38:07, 0:38:10]: If there's anyone present who would like to speak. [0:38:10, 0:38:12]: On this text amendment case. [0:38:12, 0:38:15]: Either in favor of or against [0:38:44, 0:38:46]: The green light is on. [0:38:46, 0:38:48]: Is your microphone turned on? [0:39:05, 0:39:25]: might be a little bit more but eight million is a lot of money for a gas station operator to invest. I just wanted to point that out so that you understood the finances of it. It's a lot. So I don't know that you'll have anybody build maybe a racetrack right but you may not have any small operators who actually live in your [0:39:25, 0:39:29]: community or one local businesses do that because eight million is a lot of [0:39:32, 0:39:33]: Thank you so much. [0:39:36, 0:39:49]: Anyone else? Madam Secretary, did you get uh for the record you have her name already on the previous case? Did you need her to state that again? [0:39:50, 0:39:52]: I may state it for the record, yes. [0:39:57, 0:39:59]: Name and address, please. [0:40:08, 0:40:09]: That read it. [0:40:12, 0:40:14]: And to three oh three and five. [0:40:14, 0:40:22]: And I just stated it as an attorney who represents a lot of community source and gas station members. Thank you. Thank you. [0:40:23, 0:40:24]: It wasn't all right. [0:40:25, 0:40:30]: Should I say it again? Did you get you heard me, right? Thank you. [0:40:33, 0:40:35]: Anyone else? [0:40:36, 0:40:39]: Hearing none, the public hearings now closed. [0:40:43, 0:40:46]: Any more comments from the commission before we vote? [0:40:54, 0:40:56]: I need a motion please from the commission. [0:40:57, 0:41:04]: Chairman. Yes, sir. I make a motion sorry, give me one moment. I make a motion to [0:41:05, 0:41:09]: Uh deny text amendment case t x dash two hundred twenty four dash oh six. [0:41:10, 0:41:11]: Is there a second? [0:41:14, 0:41:25]: Mr. Chairman, I second the motion. It's been moved by Mr. Williams, seconded by Mr. Mitten, that we deny text amendment case TX 2024-06. [0:41:25, 0:41:30]: All in favor, please. Let it be known by the sound of I. Aye. Aye. [0:41:31, 0:41:31]: Nay. [0:41:32, 0:41:35]: Uh in the call for the opposition yet. [0:41:35, 0:41:47]: Let me see a show of hands, because I can't hear everybody. Aye. Aye. All in favor? Mr. Chairman, was this to accept the the No sir. It was to deny. The motion was to deny. [0:41:47, 0:41:47]: Okay. [0:41:48, 0:42:03]: Mr. Minton and Mr. Williams voted nay. Um voted yay to deny. Uh any opposed to that motion, let me see your hand, please. Mr. Plashon, Mr. Thomas, Mr. Thibodeau vote. [0:42:04, 0:42:07]: Nay. So the motion fails. [0:42:18, 0:42:21]: So you need a new motion. I need a new motion, please. [0:42:24, 0:42:26]: I'm sorry, go ahead. A new motion. [0:42:28, 0:42:30]: I need a new motion from the commission, please. [0:42:40, 0:42:42]: Will someone kindly make a motion? [0:42:44, 0:42:46]: Other than tonight, please [0:42:47, 0:42:53]: I'd like to present a motion that we uh the text amendment case [0:42:55, 0:42:56]: That we approve it. [0:42:59, 0:43:01]: Is there a second? A second. [0:43:02, 0:43:22]: Mr. Thibodeau has moved to approve the text amendment case 2024-06. Mr. Thomas. Second that motion. All in favor, let it be known by a show of hands. And aye. Aye. Aye. Mr. Thomas, Mr. [0:43:22, 0:43:37]: Planchon, Mr. Thibodeau votes yay to approve. Are there any opposition? Nay. Mr. Williams and Mr. Mitten vote nay to approve. So the motion passes. [0:43:40, 0:43:40]: Thank you, Bull. [0:43:52, 0:44:12]: Next item is text amendment case TX 24-07. Citywide, it's consideration of an ordinance to repeal title 12, section 2.4.7, 2.5.3 F 3.1, 3.2, F. [0:44:12, 0:44:16]: two point two four and fifteen. [0:44:16, 0:44:33]: of Stockbridge Mun Mini Code, I guess that's municipal code, to amend the Stockbridge Unified Development Code, sections two point four point seven, section two point five point three F [0:44:34, 0:44:36]: Section three point one. [0:44:36, 0:44:38]: Section three [0:44:40, 0:44:42]: Oh [0:44:43, 0:44:49]: I'm gonna read it the way it's written, three comma, two, comma, two, four, and fifteen. [0:44:52, 0:44:55]: And to add section three point two point four one. [0:44:56, 0:45:10]: Under chapter three, use regulations of the code of ordinances, city of Stockbridge, Georgia, relating to the downtown district and the downtown village overlay district. [0:45:10, 0:45:16]: By adding and removing certain uses from the list of prohibited uses [0:45:17, 0:45:24]: and by all and by allowing them to be permitted uses, providing that certain requirements are met. [0:45:26, 0:45:27]: Mr. Linton, please. [0:45:27, 0:45:47]: Thank you, Chairman. Uh so this is the PowerPoint presentation for TX twenty four oh seven, the other text amendment. And the purpose of the tax amendment is to amend section two point four seven of the stop bridge UDC, amend section two point five three F of the Stockbridge UDC to amend section. [0:45:47, 0:46:02]: Section 3.1, which is the use table of the UDC, amend three point two four of the Stockbridge UDC, to add supplementations to Section 3.241 of the UDC and to amend Section 4.85 of the UDC. [0:46:09, 0:46:14]: And these are the current permitted uses that are found in section two point four seven of the E D C [0:46:19, 0:46:28]: And these are the added permitted uses sections to the two point four seven of the UDC, which are the R studio, the dance studio, the hotels and the boutique hotels. [0:46:30, 0:46:50]: The addition of the permitted uses along with the addition regulations to the DT will further revitalize the downtown area stopbridge. And it will also align with the intent found in Section 2.4, which states to which is to maintain, enhance, and expand the downtown development patterns and mixed use and up. [0:46:49, 0:46:58]: Open space character of downtown Main Street. It is also to encourage compatible infill and redevelopment opportunities. [0:47:03, 0:47:06]: These are the current standards that are found in section two point three F. [0:47:10, 0:47:20]: And these are the changes that were being made to section two point three F, which is to r remove the tobacco vase shops, cigar bars and the b hookah lounge. [0:47:24, 0:47:27]: So these are the current standards that are found in section three point one the use table? [0:47:29, 0:47:33]: And these are the changes made, which is to add the boutique hotel. [0:47:34, 0:47:36]: And to add uh motel which are now permitted. [0:47:39, 0:47:42]: These are the current standards that are found in section three point one? [0:47:47, 0:47:48]: On the residential section? [0:47:50, 0:47:58]: And these are the changes that were being made, which is the multi multifamily apartments and condos are listed as permitted, which is highlighted. [0:48:01, 0:48:05]: And these are the current standards that I found in section three point one in the use table again? [0:48:08, 0:48:26]: And the recreation and the entertainment dance studio with live performance, assembly of concert halls, or similar attainment within closed building is permitted, which is highlighted. And we remove the di dance studio uh in the private commercial area in the use table. [0:48:30, 0:48:34]: And these are the other current standards that are found in section three point two four. [0:48:41, 0:48:55]: And these are the changes that were being made, which is section A ten. We're removing the dance studios in both A ten and in C, section three point two four C four. Yeah. [0:48:58, 0:49:06]: And these are the title twelve, section three point two four four four four four four one, which were adding that the hours, the operation allowed for dance studios shall be seven AM to ten PM. [0:49:11, 0:49:22]: And we are also adding new definitions to the UDC for the amphitheater, the Arts Studio, Artist, Dance Studio, Boutique Hotel, and the Hotel Slash Motel. [0:49:25, 0:49:29]: And these are the current standards found in section four point A five. [0:49:34, 0:49:39]: And these are the new standards, which is we're gonna add one space for per thousand square feet. [0:49:43, 0:49:45]: And this is the draft of the ordinance. [0:49:50, 0:50:10]: And based on staff recommendations, we we are recommending approval to amending section two point four seven, section two point five three F, amend section three point one, which is a use table, amend three point two two four, and adding supplementations to three point two four one, and amending section four. [0:50:10, 0:50:12]: Four point eight five of the stoppers unified development code. [0:50:15, 0:50:16]: And that's it. [0:50:19, 0:50:22]: Before you go, Mr Linton [0:50:24, 0:50:29]: You have any history on why dance studios were prohibited? [0:50:31, 0:50:41]: Uh these were recent regulations that were found in the UDC and we just feel like uh by adding the dance studio into the downtown it'll it'll first they're aligned with the [0:50:41, 0:50:43]: You didn't understand my question. [0:50:44, 0:50:53]: You adding them n now, that's what you wanna do. Yeah. They're asking you why were they not allowed before? Do you have any history as to why they weren't? [0:50:55, 0:50:55]: Uh no. [0:51:05, 0:51:07]: Mr Chair may I [0:51:07, 0:51:08]: Oh we over here. [0:51:08, 0:51:28]: There's no history why these uses were not allowed. Um, since we are now expounding and building our downtown area, these are interests that have been brought to staff and we're trying to make our test excuse me, our ordinance more acceptable to these uses. [0:51:30, 0:51:35]: I beg to differ with you um on there not been in the history. [0:51:36, 0:51:41]: Uh particularly when it comes to tar shops, pawn shops, hookamars. [0:51:41, 0:51:46]: That's a lot of history, and that's been a lot of dialogue, and there's been a lot of [0:51:48, 0:51:56]: discussion, public discussion as to not being over proliferated with certain type of businesses. [0:51:58, 0:52:02]: From the commission, community development, the council. [0:52:03, 0:52:05]: Oh [0:52:05, 0:52:07]: I'm just curious. [0:52:11, 0:52:13]: What's taking place as to why we're making the changes? [0:52:15, 0:52:35]: So as I stated before, we're now expounding our downtown area. We're in the process of attracting businesses. One of the businesses that have come before staff is a dance studio. Another is an art studio. Those are not permitted uses in the downtown area. [0:52:35, 0:52:51]: do not have hotels as a permitted use in the downtown area. Me personally, I do not know a downtown area that does not have a hotel. So we're trying to permit these uses so that these businesses can come to the city of Stockbridge. [0:52:51, 0:52:52]: I understand that. [0:52:54, 0:53:01]: And I don't necessarily disagree with you. I just rem recall from being here a while. [0:53:01, 0:53:02]: The [0:53:02, 0:53:11]: There was a lot of noise about certain type of businesses being coming over proliferated in our area. [0:53:11, 0:53:13]: Okay. Oh [0:53:15, 0:53:17]: And I've n already named some of them. [0:53:18, 0:53:21]: So those are they got a lot of mileage. [0:53:21, 0:53:23]: Sure. [0:53:24, 0:53:34]: Public opinion. Um, I can recall a case just not long ago came before us. They wanted to open a hookah bar in [0:53:35, 0:53:36]: And just cafe. [0:53:48, 0:53:52]: And because it was in the downtown district [0:53:53, 0:53:56]: Or the overlay district, I don't recall which. [0:53:58, 0:54:03]: I I believe it was denied by the Planning Commission and the Council. [0:54:08, 0:54:23]: Certainly I would welcome a boutique hotel, the downtown Stockbridge. I mean I got no problem with that. I I'm just concerned that if we open the gate for hookah bars, and I don't mean to pick on hookah bars, uh [0:54:25, 0:54:30]: I kinda feel like the way people felt when they wrote this ordinance in the first place. [0:54:31, 0:54:36]: You have every we wanted to limit those. So I don't I'm kinda questioning why we're changing them. [0:54:38, 0:54:45]: You do not have to accept this recommendation by staff. You can say we will [0:54:46, 0:55:02]: allow staff's recommendation except for and then you can go into naming what you do not want allowed. But this was one of the items discussed as a permitted use. [0:55:08, 0:55:13]: Any more questions from the commission? Yeah, may I speak uh Mr. Chair. [0:55:15, 0:55:19]: Uh what's happening in the city of Stockbridge is that we're growing [0:55:19, 0:55:26]: and we're developing and we're changing things according to certain developments. Now [0:55:27, 0:55:40]: Uh personally w we can limit the number of uh bars or any situation and and put a limit on certain activities. I I think uh when the uh [0:55:41, 0:56:01]: Staff recommended something that I think there should be a limit on certain items. Now, what are those items? I I'm not in a discussion with you guys to know what that would be. But if the chair feels that it hookah boys is is gonna be saturated in the community. [0:56:01, 0:56:06]: then I think we should uh express some form of limits as to how many. [0:56:07, 0:56:09]: Now, as far as the hotel situation is concerned. [0:56:10, 0:56:14]: I've never seen a downtown without a hotel, so that's strange to me. [0:56:15, 0:56:17]: On my personal behalf. [0:56:18, 0:56:23]: So I would say i if we have a saturation of certain items [0:56:23, 0:56:28]: uh businesses in the community, then we need we should uh place some limits. [0:56:29, 0:56:49]: Let me say for the record that the as far as the hookah bars and the that there was a recent text amendment that was passed by Mayor and Council this year and it did allow for hookah bars to be allowed in the DT. So that's why we're making that change um to remove it from the prohibited uses in the downtown village overlay district. [0:56:49, 0:56:51]: Cheer. [0:56:52, 0:57:12]: Go right ahead. Thank you, sir. Um I'm actually glad y'all are finally bringing this to us. Um one, I just want to kind of echo the sentiments of Commissioner Thibodeau. If we're trying to bring revenue to the city, um, along with the amphitheater, we need those accommodations to make sure that we can accommodate those guests. Cities make money not by those that live in the city. [0:57:12, 0:57:18]: So I'm I'm with that a thousand percent. Uh [0:57:19, 0:57:32]: However, I was also gonna ask, would that be the discretion of this body to make a limit number or give you all a limit number? Or how we go about that for I guess in regards to the shops, bars and lounges? [0:57:37, 0:57:57]: So what you can do, and I'm gonna ask the city attorney to step in if I'm incorrect. Um, you do have the autonomy to make a recommendation as to how many are allowed downtown. Um, so you can put a cap on that. Um again, if I'm incorrect. [0:57:57, 0:58:00]: thread, then I do ask the city attorney to step in. [0:58:09, 0:58:11]: Thank you. Thank you. [0:58:11, 0:58:13]: In more comments, for you. [0:58:13, 0:58:18]: Yes, I have a I have a comment, Mr. Chairman. Go right ahead, sir. So exhibit C on page six. [0:58:20, 0:58:37]: Uh multifamily apartments and condos is permitted. So as a representative of district four, there's been a great deal of opposition to uh new town homes, condos, etcetera in the area. So is this permitting right in this very downtown district? Because we don't have here [0:58:38, 0:58:40]: A boundary outline. [0:58:41, 0:58:46]: Of the out of the downtown downtown district. So I'm assuming that what it's approving is [0:58:47, 0:58:49]: Permitted use to build apartments. [0:58:49, 0:58:57]: Right here across the street. Would that be correct? If if requested, if an applicant actually asked for that. Would that be correct? [0:58:57, 0:59:10]: You are correct, Mr. Vice Chair Mitten. Um there are plans to bring apartments downtown. Right now it's not a permitted use and we want to allow it is a permitted use for downtown. [0:59:10, 0:59:11]: Okay, thank you. [0:59:16, 0:59:23]: Chair, one last question. Um, just to kind of echo Vice Chair, will it be mixed use or will it only be apartment town homes? [0:59:26, 0:59:27]: Commercial at the bottom. [0:59:28, 0:59:29]: It'll be mixed use. [0:59:36, 0:59:38]: Any other comments from the commission? [0:59:44, 0:59:51]: This requires a public hearing also. So we will now open the floor for comments from the public. [0:59:52, 0:59:59]: Anyone wish to comment on this text amendment case t x twenty twenty four dash zero seven. [1:00:03, 1:00:05]: Hearing on, the public hearing is now closed. [1:00:09, 1:00:11]: I will now ask for a vote from the commission. [1:00:12, 1:00:26]: Mr. Chairman, Anthony Ninton makes the motion to approve. However, I would make the request of staff in exhibit C, page six, multifamily apartments is removed or considered for removal. [1:00:30, 1:00:31]: Do you get that, Linda? [1:00:35, 1:00:36]: You want me to repeat it? [1:00:37, 1:00:38]: You speak loud, please. [1:00:39, 1:00:41]: Go right here. Say it again, please. Okay. [1:00:41, 1:00:54]: Mr. Mitten makes a motion to approve. However, I'd like to make the request of staff to remove in Exhibit C, page six, the permit of multifamily apartments. [1:00:57, 1:00:58]: Is there a second to the motion? [1:01:00, 1:01:01]: I'll second it, Harold. [1:01:02, 1:01:15]: It's been moved by Mr. Minton that we approve text amendment case TX 2024-07 with one adjustment, and that is to remove multifamily [1:01:17, 1:01:22]: From the permitted uses, multifamily apartments and condos from the permitted uses. [1:01:23, 1:01:28]: Sorry, I had my my hand up before the the second came, but I actually had a request for the motioner. [1:01:29, 1:01:41]: Oh sorry. Go ahead. Thank you, sir. Um, I was gonna ask if you would also add to your motion to put a cap number on the amount of tobacco vape shops, cigar bars, and hookah lounges in the downtown district. [1:01:44, 1:01:50]: I would agree to that. Would you like to uh sorry, Mr. Chair, amend your motion to include [1:01:51, 1:01:55]: Yes, Mr. Chairman. I would make I would amend my motion to approve. [1:01:56, 1:02:07]: With the request of staff that we uh under exhibit C, page six, remove multifamily apartments and we do put a cap on hookah bars. [1:02:09, 1:02:10]: Yes, sir. [1:02:10, 1:02:10]: Okay. [1:02:11, 1:02:28]: And I'll second it. It's been moved by Mr. Mitten that we approve text amendment case TX twenty twenty-four-zero seven with the following amendments to remove multifamily apartments and condos. [1:02:29, 1:02:35]: from the downtown district and to put a limit on the hookah bars. [1:02:35, 1:02:38]: Mr. Chairman, you may want to state what that limit would be. [1:02:43, 1:02:44]: Mr. Williams, you made the [1:02:45, 1:02:46]: Amen, meh. [1:02:48, 1:02:50]: Uh Chairman Atlanta. [1:02:54, 1:03:00]: I'll I can cap it at seven for now, if that's okay with the motion. Ten. I'll cap it at ten if that's okay with the motion. [1:03:03, 1:03:08]: Are you okay with that, Mr. Minton? Uh actually, Mr. Chairman, the downtown [1:03:10, 1:03:16]: area is actually a very small footprint. Thank you. I think ten is a very high number, personally. I agree. [1:03:17, 1:03:25]: That that was also a fact. So is it my understanding that the downtown area goes from here all the way to Angie's near one thirty eight or no? [1:03:27, 1:03:36]: No, okay, perfect. So I w I will take my stuff back down to six and that is between to go between cigar bars, hookah lounges, and tobacco and vape shops. [1:03:37, 1:03:43]: Uh Mr Chairman, may I ask a question? Maybe we could get some clarification on the downtown. [1:03:44, 1:03:45]: Go ahead, Mr. Tibetan. [1:03:46, 1:03:52]: Okay, well we talking about a cap on things, we have to first establish the distance [1:03:52, 1:03:57]: of what's gonna be covered, see? So when I even if I said ten [1:03:58, 1:04:09]: Uh we need to see what kind of area we're talking about. What what's covering downtown to to consider, even ten or five, or six? And then the other part of that, what what's already here? [1:04:10, 1:04:18]: So I would say if we can get staff to give us an overview of all the parameters to see. [1:04:20, 1:04:23]: Where's downtown and how much of downtown? [1:04:24, 1:04:26]: do we have to work with? [1:04:26, 1:04:33]: Now I I would go along with five or six, which would be fine, but I still need to consider the distance. [1:04:33, 1:04:40]: of how much of area we're covering in order to make a a good decision as to how many numbers we need to cap off. [1:04:41, 1:04:58]: Mr. Chairman, I agree. Mr. Mitten, go ahead. I'd like to retract my motion to approve and have staff, if you could, tell us what the road boundaries are that would give us an idea of what the downtown development area actually looks like. Is that something you can do pretty quickly, Mr. Mitten? I'm sorry, Mr. Linton. [1:04:59, 1:05:01]: You have a map of the downtown district. [1:05:05, 1:05:07]: Handy. I know you have one. [1:05:24, 1:05:40]: Mr. Chair. And while he pulls that up, um, I wanna ask the staff to uh answer Mr. Thibodeau's question. Is our understanding that there are no tobacco vape shops, cigar bars, or hookahs approved now in the city district, downtown district, correct? None, okay. [1:05:58, 1:06:03]: So what you have before you is the inter is the zoning map. [1:06:06, 1:06:12]: And this is the uh downtown village overlay district, which is highlighted in black. [1:06:17, 1:06:17]: Mm-hmm. [1:06:28, 1:06:31]: So it it that's that's the limit right there. [1:06:37, 1:06:38]: Therefore, you must sit up. [1:06:40, 1:06:42]: Uh yes sir that did. Um [1:06:43, 1:06:46]: I will go along with uh Mr. Williams' recommendation. [1:06:50, 1:06:55]: So we have a motion on the floor by Mr. Mitten. [1:06:56, 1:07:01]: To approve text amendment case TX twenty twenty four dash oh seven. [1:07:03, 1:07:11]: uh with adjustments, one being removing the multifamily apartments and condos. [1:07:12, 1:07:18]: And the second one being putting a limit on tobacco and vape shops, ziggle bars and hookah lounges. [1:07:19, 1:07:39]: And that limit, I believe, is at six according to Mr. Williams. Chairman, I would actually looking at the future lanes map, I want to move it to five if that's okay with the motioner. Well well, um yeah, it's okay. I'll I'll just restate it then. Uh the second adjustment to this text amendment case is the lit put an [1:07:39, 1:07:46]: Unlimit on tobacco, vape shops, cigar bars, and hookah lounges to five units. [1:07:49, 1:08:03]: And Mr. Thibodeau, I believe, second that motion. Yes, sir. I second the motion that we have now. All in favor? Let it be known by the sound of aye and the show of hand. Aye. It is unanimous. [1:08:04, 1:08:08]: The motion the amended motion is approved. [1:08:09, 1:08:10]: Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner. [1:08:14, 1:08:16]: Thank you all for d diving in. [1:08:26, 1:08:30]: Next item I have is PC board member training. [1:08:31, 1:08:35]: In house in house training for the Planet Commission board members. [1:08:36, 1:08:40]: To be conducted by Miss Jackson, please. [1:08:53, 1:08:54]: Oh shit. [1:09:31, 1:09:34]: So I would like to say good evening. Good evening. [1:09:38, 1:09:53]: So tonight we will um go through a training session regarding planning commission duties, your roles and your responsibilities as a planning commissioner for the city of Stockbridge. [1:09:55, 1:09:58]: So the first question is why are you here? [1:09:58, 1:10:03]: To get a clear understanding of your role, responsibility as a planning commissioner. [1:10:04, 1:10:07]: Also to learn the elements of good decision making. [1:10:08, 1:10:14]: And to learn how to prepare for a meeting and the dynamics of an effective public meeting. [1:10:15, 1:10:35]: So I would like to say kudos to you for willing your willingness to serve as a planning commissioner. I also want to thank you for the contributions you have made to this board, to this process, and your welcoming of staff. Thank you for your time, your forward thinking, and your quality decisions. [1:10:35, 1:10:37]: Night's meeting will guide you in your [1:10:38, 1:10:47]: authority and your decision making, you have the responsibility of helping forming your community and the future here of the City of Stockbridge. [1:10:49, 1:11:05]: This will be a three-part training. So tonight's training will consist of planning commission, roles, your role, your authority, and your powers and duties. The next session will consist of the basis for your recommendation. [1:11:06, 1:11:10]: and making your re recommendation. We will get more in depth in that [1:11:11, 1:11:31]: Training session, the role of the comprehensive plan and future land use map, staff's role, and the staff report will be discussed at that time. The third part of the training will consist of meeting procedures that will detail or enel preparing for the meeting, conducting the meeting. [1:11:31, 1:11:32]: Meeting and the public hearing. [1:11:33, 1:11:42]: how to properly make motions, and we will discuss the Robert Rules of Order, and we will also provide you with legal perspectives. [1:11:46, 1:11:50]: So tonight let's discuss the structure of planning commission. [1:11:52, 1:12:06]: The Planning Commission is comprised of six qualified members, which is yourself. Each member shall be appointed by the mayor and city council. Each member must be a resident of the city of Stockbridge. [1:12:07, 1:12:27]: Your terms of office all members shall be appointed for a term of four years, provided, however, that in the initial appointment three of the members shall be appointed for a term of two years, an appointment to fill any vacancy shall be for the remainder of the unexpired term of four years. [1:12:27, 1:12:28]: Yeah. [1:12:29, 1:12:30]: Removal. [1:12:31, 1:12:40]: Nowwithstanding any provision of the contrary, a member may be removed by a majority vote of mayor and city council. [1:12:41, 1:12:59]: What are the qualifications and compensation for a member of the Planning Commission? In order to be qualified, all members shall complete training for Planning Commission members and shall receive a certificate of completion from the Atlanta Regional Commission. [1:12:59, 1:13:10]: the Carl Vinson Institute or an agency or organization competent to train appointed planning officials within one year of appointment. [1:13:11, 1:13:16]: Each member shall be compensated in a manner prescribed by the mayor and city council. [1:13:18, 1:13:38]: So to have a meeting, we must have a quorum. And that quorum here will be four members must be present. Four members shall constitute a quorum for the transition of a transaction of business. All rules, policies, and procedures governing the Planning Commission shall hereinafter. [1:13:38, 1:13:40]: after governed by this requirement. [1:13:45, 1:13:50]: So let's get into the powers and duties. [1:13:55, 1:13:58]: What are your powers and what are your duties? [1:13:59, 1:14:02]: But first let's discuss who you are. [1:14:08, 1:14:23]: So the American Planning Association defines planning officials as any appointed or elected official involved in the planning decisions for the betterment of a community, region, state, or c country. [1:14:24, 1:14:29]: I believe that should be counting. But however, you are a planning official. [1:14:30, 1:14:35]: Your job is one of public trust. It is one of [1:14:35, 1:14:44]: the most meaningful ways in which you can serve your community. So again, we thank you for taking on this responsibility. [1:14:45, 1:14:47]: You have the powers to amend or [1:14:48, 1:14:49]: Staff's conditions. [1:14:50, 1:14:57]: You have the power to call special call meetings according to the procedures established by your body. [1:14:57, 1:15:03]: You serve as the recommending body for the mayor and city council of the city of Stockbridge. [1:15:04, 1:15:16]: You also have the authority to prepare, adopt, and amend the plan of conservation and development, and you also can review all proposed municipal improvements. [1:15:20, 1:15:27]: You also have the ability to make, review, and make final decisions, such as a subdivision plat. [1:15:27, 1:15:47]: You also can review and make recommendations to city council on matters that pertain to rezonings and amendments to the official zoning map, variances, special use permits, amendments to the UDC, conditions to variances, and conditions to special use. [1:15:47, 1:15:48]: [4552.7, 4565.7]: So now we're going to get into the Robert Rules cheat sheet that you may have ahead of you or in your packet. So if you want to pull that out, our city attorney is going to discuss that with you. [1:16:15, 1:16:20]: have that situation on some boards that buy so I do think that this [1:16:25, 1:16:45]: Really well versed in the procedures of motion making and amending motions and calling for a second, even though it sounds like it may be rudimentary in some aspect, a lot of owners or andor city councils sometimes have issues making motions. [1:16:45, 1:16:53]: Um amending motion, substituting the motion, and this board seems to have a good handle on that. But I do want to go through um [1:16:55, 1:16:56]: That slide. [1:17:32, 1:17:46]: I can't see it on the screen. It's too small for me. Um, so we know that in order to bring something to the floor, it needs to be in the form of a motion. And a member [1:17:46, 1:18:06]: As it says here, a member raises their hand when no one else has the floor, and the chair can recognize the commissioner that wants to make the motion. In this situation with this board, because you guys are mainly a recommending body, I do think it's important to in the body of [1:18:06, 1:18:21]: your motion include that because sometimes people in the gallery may not understand that this motion or this vote that you all are making is not the final vote, that it is going to have to go to mayor and city council. Thank you. [1:18:21, 1:18:23]: Um and so because of that [1:18:24, 1:18:44]: When you do have these motions to make recommendations to Mayor and City Council, I always advise that the motion have that type of language within it. I make a motion that we recommend to Mayor and City Council that this item be approved per staff's recommendation or with whatever, however you want to say it. [1:18:43, 1:19:03]: But I do think because this body is mostly a recommending body, it's important for the people in the gallery to hear that so that they understand. And the chair is pretty good about telling them we're recommending, you know, this is not a final decision. But just technically speaking, that motion I believe should should include. [1:19:03, 1:19:05]: Yeah. [1:19:06, 1:19:06]: Um [1:19:07, 1:19:23]: Then of course, just like tonight, I think Commissioner Williams ha made a second, but he wanted to discuss. He wasn't ready to just make a second by itself. He still wanted to have a point of discussion. And so if there's ever a main motion that's made. [1:19:23, 1:19:34]: and you all someone wants to make a second, that second does not have to automatically mean that you agree with the motion. You can say, I make a second for discussion. [1:19:35, 1:19:51]: And that allows for a question to be had or some back and forth between the commissioners if there's some you know points that you all want to make before you make that final uh vote. Um but it does preserve the motion being on the floor so it doesn't fail for lack of emotion. [1:19:52, 1:20:11]: Um and today you also saw where you have a motion that did fail because of the original motion that was made. You all did not have enough I votes for that. So then that failed for lack of a full vote or or majority vote, and then it went back. [1:20:11, 1:20:31]: To the floor for a second motion, and then you all made a motion, and that one uh was able to pass with the majority vote. So, like I said, you guys seem to have a really good handle on how to make motions and seconds and amending and all of that, and it does help the meetings go uh much more smoothly when it's time to make a [1:20:31, 1:20:33]: emotion. Um [1:20:33, 1:20:51]: That's pretty much the gist of it in terms of Roberts Rules and that main motion making. Um, if you all have any questions about that process, we can discuss it here. But my main thing that I want you to have a takeaway is starting to implement that recommendation. [1:20:51, 1:20:59]: Language in the motion for all of these matters that come before you that you do not have final decision-making authority on. [1:20:59, 1:21:16]: Just so for for two purposes, it preserves the record, and secondly, for people who may not understand the role that this body has as not being a final decision-making body, it informs them that this is not going to be the final vote. It will go to mayor and city council. [1:21:17, 1:21:19]: Is there any question on this part? [1:21:21, 1:21:26]: All right. I d I do have a question because it came up last meeting. [1:21:27, 1:21:30]: And I went back and looked at the bylaws in [1:21:33, 1:21:37]: From my interpretation, the bylaws are silent on the issue. [1:21:37, 1:21:41]: And that's the issue of whether the chairman votes. [1:21:42, 1:21:44]: And if he doesn't vote, is he abstaining? [1:21:46, 1:21:55]: So and we do have the bylaws. Did you pass them out, Kedra? We have coffee before. Oh you do have them? Okay. Um, let me get my coffee. [1:22:10, 1:22:12]: I mean required for specific session chair. [1:22:13, 1:22:20]: No, um I'm not because it didn't address it in the bylaws. [1:22:20, 1:22:20]: Excellent. [1:22:28, 1:22:37]: I was following custom. Since I've been on the board, the chairman has not voted. And I d and since we are only a six member board. [1:22:38, 1:22:40]: I don't know. [1:22:43, 1:22:49]: It would make sense if the ch if the chair voted because ultimately you could always end up in a tie. [1:22:52, 1:22:54]: So I'll do a [1:22:55, 1:23:09]: review of these if the if your bylaws do not and that would be unusual because typically the bylaws do have the um language in terms of when the chair can and cannot vote. [1:23:10, 1:23:18]: Mr. Chairman, seven dot one dot one on page nine addresses tie votes, but it doesn't say anything about the chair. [1:23:20, 1:23:24]: Or how the tie is broken. It just says a tie boat results in a failed motion. [1:23:26, 1:23:27]: That's all it states. [1:23:29, 1:23:49]: So it does say the chair shall not vote unless there is a tie of the board members who are present. And that's typically the language that you find in bylaws. Um I always see that. So typically the chair is not able to vote unless there is a tie. So if and that's why I was saying tonight, because everyone [1:23:49, 1:23:58]: Was present, we weren't gonna have that situation. Exactly. But last month, we because um Commissioner Planchon was not here. [1:23:59, 1:24:07]: You you potentially had the ability to vote or needed to vote if there was a tie, because you would have had two. So typically. [1:24:07, 1:24:26]: This is the language that you find in bylaws is that the chair does not vote unless there is a tie. And if there is a tie and it's also with the mayor, usually the mayor doesn't vote unless there's a tie. And then if there is a tie, the chair will will cast his vote. I just wanted to clarify because so no one would [1:24:27, 1:24:39]: conclude that the chair was abstaining when in fact he wasn't not ex abstaining at all. Yeah, abstention is completely different. Completely different. Yeah. Yes. Thank you. Mr. Chair, can I ask a question please? [1:24:40, 1:24:41]: Go right answer. [1:24:42, 1:25:02]: Yes, uh at our last meeting when he had the ability to vote because there was um you know a tie. But then we table it and brought it to this meeting. So I need you to explain that to me where he didn't have the ability to vote last time. Yes. But y you know, and we had to come back. [1:25:02, 1:25:22]: To it. Explain that to me. There is language in the bylaws that allow for that, and it has to be upon the consent of the applicant. So if the applicant who was here tonight agrees with the um tabling or continuing the public hearing in the event of [1:25:21, 1:25:41]: They're able to have a full body, then they're able to go ahead and get it continued, which is what happened tonight. So it's up to the applicant to say, you know what, I'll go ahead and let you guys vote, even though I don't have the the um ability to have the full body in front of me, or I will go ahead and continue it to the next meeting, which is [1:25:41, 1:25:45]: what she agreed to do last month. But the bylaws um allow for that. [1:25:51, 1:25:52]: I keep dressed. [1:25:58, 1:25:59]: Thank you, Mr. Ross. [1:25:59, 1:25:59]: Yeah. [1:26:04, 1:26:05]: Project updates. [1:26:10, 1:26:20]: Oh I'm sorry. Did We're almost done. I'm I'm sorry. I apologize, Miss Jackson. Please. Yes, no worries. Yes, that's why we're gonna break this down because I know [1:26:21, 1:26:30]: Everyone has had a long day and we just want to get home. But let us just finish. I think I have a few more slides and then we'll wrap it up. [1:26:31, 1:26:34]: Okay, so why do we plan? We plan. [1:26:34, 1:26:50]: Planning considers the present conditions resources of a community and provides the roadmap to our future. It ensures that future development will occur in the way in the location and the location that the community wants it to. [1:26:50, 1:27:01]: It also allows for economic development while protecting the overall vision that the community has for itself. In short, you have to plan for the future. [1:27:01, 1:27:03]: Community that you want. [1:27:03, 1:27:16]: I say this to say that the next few slides will get into the different types of applications that you review as a board. The first one that we're going to discuss are variances. [1:27:21, 1:27:41]: And if you like me, your eyes can barely see this, but um we're gonna pertain to section 10. Section 10 discusses the variances, administrative variances, and administrative appeals. But what I'm gonna do is kind of hone in on variances and administrative variances. [1:27:41, 1:27:45]: I don't think this board has ever entertained an appeal. [1:27:49, 1:27:50]: Not sure. [1:27:54, 1:27:57]: So what is a variance? [1:27:58, 1:28:15]: And let me get that. So a variance is a request for relief from regulations in the city's zoning ordinances. It stems from a literal enforcement of the provisions of the UDC. [1:28:15, 1:28:20]: in an individual case resulting in unnecessary hardship. [1:28:21, 1:28:41]: You may have a homeowner come before you. They may not be able to build a home because of the setback regulations. They may come to you asking you to maybe reduce the front yard or the side yard to allow a construction of a single family home. That is an example of a variance. Um before you. [1:28:41, 1:28:47]: you should have in your packet, I believe, if I'm not mistaken. Um [1:28:49, 1:28:53]: the criteria of a variance. If you do not, we'll just go over it. [1:29:01, 1:29:06]: So if you do not, I apologize. But we want to look at section [1:29:09, 1:29:29]: 10.1.3. So before you before you consider a case, we provide you with a packet, and your packet consists of staff reports. Um if you read the staff report, there's a criteria that staff follows to come to a conclusion. [1:29:29, 1:29:49]: On whether staff is going to recommend an approval, denial. We hardly recommend a deferral, mainly that comes from you. So I'm not going to read each one of these, but there are 10 criteria we review in in regards to variances. [1:29:49, 1:30:02]: Um the first one is is the request an extraordinary a and exceptional circumstance pertaining to the particular piece of property in question [1:30:02, 1:30:06]: Is this due to its size, shape? [1:30:06, 1:30:26]: Topography that are not found on other properties in the same zoning district. So those are that's one of the criteria. Most that come before us do have a hardship due to their size, due to the topo, or it could be the shape of the property. If the shape of a property is a triangle. [1:30:26, 1:30:43]: Angular shape and it may have state waters on the property, that is a hardship to build a single family detached home. So those types of variances are brought to you. Now, as far as administrative variances, sometimes it's a small [1:30:43, 1:30:51]: hardship that they may be facing f um, for instance, um, maybe the corner of their lot is [1:30:52, 1:31:12]: intruding into their neighbors yacht lot. And they may want to put up a fence, but they are not able to because of that small piece. Um those are administrative variances that we can handle in-house. If it's 1% or less, um we can handle those in-house and um those are not normally brought to you. [1:31:13, 1:31:33]: Um as far as administrative appeals, there are times we make a decision administratively on a property and that applicant or agent may disagree with staff's decision and so they want to appeal it. And when they decide to appeal it, it comes before you. [1:31:33, 1:31:35]: And then you decide if [1:31:35, 1:31:50]: staff's decision was correct or the applicant is correct. But I won't go into too many details um of that. We can pick mu more up on that um during part two of our discussion. [1:31:52, 1:32:04]: So this is kind of what I just went over as far as the different types of variances. So the two that we look at is a regular variance and the second is a minister in administrative variance. [1:32:08, 1:32:28]: So the variances that come before you, they do require legal requirements before you see them. And that includes notices being sent out. So when um first when a ve uh a person wants to apply for a variance, they must have a [1:32:28, 1:32:48]: pre-application meeting with staff. That's a requirement for all major zoning um petitions. And in that meeting, we may go over the probability of a denial or approval. We may discuss some changes they may to need to make to their staff, their site [1:32:48, 1:33:08]: Plan and other pertinent information. So let's say the applicant is ready to move forward, they submit the application, and so the due diligence begins. Staff is preparing legal ads to send to the newspaper to advertise the petition. [1:33:08, 1:33:25]: detail and when I mean detail we're providing legal information about the property that includes the size of the property, the zoning, what is the request, and providing the land use and also the land lot of the property. [1:33:26, 1:33:39]: So then after that, um we prepare letters to send to the applicant. The applicant is responsible for mailing out notices to property owners within 500 feet of their property. [1:33:40, 1:34:00]: So I just wanna come back a little bit to the legal notices. So just for your information, legal notices must go out 30 days prior to the hearing. Um so the applicant has that responsibility. If they do not, we cannot move the the case forward. They will have to go to the next [1:34:00, 1:34:00]: Cycle. [1:34:02, 1:34:07]: So let's say it does come before you and is denied by you. [1:34:07, 1:34:09]: If it's denied [1:34:09, 1:34:13]: The applicant will have to wait six months or [1:34:14, 1:34:34]: After they wait six months, they have to come to us with new information previously considered by the petitioner. Once six months has passed, then they can resubmit. Um, and let's just say they did not agree with your decision, they can appeal your decision. [1:34:34, 1:34:41]: And they have thirty days from the date of the deflection to appeal that decision. [1:34:42, 1:34:44]: Do you have any questions at this point? [1:34:45, 1:35:05]: Yeah, very quickly. So the 30 days before public hearing where the applicant mails the letters, how does staff know because we have had issues come before this board where there's been debate between the applicant and people, obviously people that are against a a variance or a zoning who's [1:35:05, 1:35:10]: We said we never received a letter and I don't think any of us have ever heard a case where [1:35:11, 1:35:16]: You know, it was confirmed, yay or nay, that they did or didn't. So how does staff know that? [1:35:16, 1:35:36]: Great question. So we do require them to send certified letters out to the surrounding property letters. They must submit proof to staff at least a week prior to coming before you. We do keep records of those. So if you ever want to see a record of the mail property. [1:35:36, 1:35:40]: property notices, you're more than welcome to ask. [1:35:40, 1:35:42]: Okay. You're welcome. [1:35:43, 1:35:44]: I'll speak Chair. [1:35:45, 1:35:45]: Go ahead and hear sir. [1:35:46, 1:35:47]: Um [1:35:47, 1:35:56]: Well, do we have to ask whether or not they sent out letters to the homeowners? Uh shouldn't that be something presented [1:35:57, 1:35:59]: When we're here at a meeting. [1:36:02, 1:36:12]: So to answer the first part of your question, no, you do not have to ask. If you want, you can. Secondly, no, we do not have to present that information to you. [1:36:13, 1:36:16]: Well, we've had in the past where uh [1:36:17, 1:36:37]: People have told us that they did not get letters uh information pertaining uh what the developer would was doing around their property. So should we just ask in the future if uh it involves property owners and developers, that do you have any letters that's been [1:36:37, 1:36:42]: been put out or should we say present us with a letter that you have presented to the community? [1:36:50, 1:37:05]: they've already determined that the notifications have found outly been met. That requirement has been met. So if it makes it to the agenda and comes before you for decision, that internal staff [1:37:05, 1:37:15]: legal notification letter going out requirement has already been vetted by staff has already been confirmed that that has been met and it's now on the agenda. [1:37:25, 1:37:37]: Mr. Chair, if I could ask, go ahead. Could we add that? Would it violate any bylaw for us to ask that that be included in staff presentation? Just I think it taps the entire [1:37:38, 1:37:43]: Proceeding because then you're not gonna have those people standing up saying, I never received it if [1:38:02, 1:38:02]: Yeah. [1:38:10, 1:38:15]: That that procedure was met, they can put that in their staff report. Um, and also I just want [1:38:20, 1:38:26]: The the final public hearing, like I said earlier, will be before mayor city council. So with variances [1:38:26, 1:38:32]: It's still the same motion for recommendation to Mayor City Council and the slide says [1:38:33, 1:38:38]: If denied an applicant has to wait six months, but that's if denied by mancy. [1:38:41, 1:38:46]: All right. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Ross, Ms. Jackson. Thank you, City Attorney, for making that clarification. Yes. [1:38:48, 1:39:08]: So next we're going to move to special use permits. I'm sure you have had a share of those that come before you, especially at the last meeting. So, what is a special use permit? It's a use, it's a type of use that are that is not classified as a permitted use in zoning districts, therefore, it's only a [1:39:08, 1:39:28]: Allowed by a use permit. Special use permit in the interests of the public health, safety, and welfare. The city council may exercise limited discretion in evaluating the site proposed for use that requires a special use permit. In exercising, [1:39:28, 1:39:35]: The city council shall consider each of the following. [1:39:37, 1:39:57]: So here, um the first the the planning commission makes a recommendation. As you know, you're a recommending board. You can recommend approval, denial, or deferral. Once it gets to city council, the city council makes the final decision on whether that use or that zoning petition is approved. [1:39:57, 1:40:15]: Chapter 9. or Section 9.2.6 speaks on the use permit considerations. For sake of time, we won't go over each criteria that is reviewed during or looking at special use permits. [1:40:16, 1:40:31]: And I want to add this uh last statement. If a special use permit is defeated by a mayor and city council, the same property shall not be considered for a special use permit until one year. [1:40:32, 1:40:37]: So they will have to come back after that year, start over again. [1:40:39, 1:40:59]: Before you are the criteria I just spoke of that we won't really go into details, but as you can see here, um there before you um I'll just read one. Um so we do look at um outdoor lighting, hours and manner of operation. Those are some of the criteria we review in terms [1:40:59, 1:41:01]: terms of special use permits. [1:41:10, 1:41:30]: To just discuss with you all the variances and the special use permits. Both of those types of zoning decisions or zoning applications are constrained to criteria that is outlined in the ordinance. So it's either going to be that the variances. [1:41:32, 1:41:32]: Right. [1:41:45, 1:42:05]: community body. But a lot of times you'll have people come to the meetings and they're talking about things that really are not before you because what you have to focus on for your recommendation are those considerations which are in the staff report, which staff considers when they make their recommendations. [1:42:04, 1:42:05]: A [1:42:05, 1:42:25]: So the germane questions before you are whether or not the applicant meets those special needs considerations or meets the considerations for variances. Even though during the public hearing process you'll hear so many different things from the audience and from the public. [1:42:25, 1:42:30]: When it's time to make your motion, you want to bring it back. [1:42:30, 1:42:32]: to what's before you in the application. [1:42:33, 1:42:35]: А ветні апліканц. [1:42:36, 1:42:41]: those objective criteria because that's what you have to make your recommendation based on. [1:42:42, 1:42:55]: So let you know everyone's gonna say what they need to say, but if you have questions of staff staff, does the applicant meet the considerations of the special use commits? Or [1:43:00, 1:43:07]: spaces, does it deal with the amount of location of open space? You know, making that discussion with staff. [1:43:07, 1:43:10]: More um consistent with [1:43:18, 1:43:19]: Part of the [1:43:20, 1:43:20]: Or [1:43:21, 1:43:40]: So just make sure that after that public hearing back and forth, when it's time to make a motion, it's based on whether or not the applicant meets the requirements of the special use permit or the requirements of the variants, because that is outlined for you in the UBC and in the staff report. [1:43:46, 1:43:48]: Next we'll move to rezoning. [1:43:51, 1:44:11]: So, what is a rezoning? It's an action or process to change the zoning classification assigned to a property for the purpose of land use. Planning and Zoning Commission: Your job is to make the recommendation to mayor and city council. The final decision is then made by city council. [1:44:11, 1:44:22]: This does require a public hearing notice and sign post it on the property. Here, the terms of or the dates are [1:44:22, 1:44:33]: A little different. So here you could advertise fifteen days prior, but no more than forty-five days before the public hearing. [1:44:34, 1:44:54]: Impact analysis is determined from section 9.2.2. There are 14 analysis questions that we do review in making our recommendation, staff's recommendation for an approval or denial. Conditions may be attached as deemed necessary to a [1:44:54, 1:44:57]: rezoning case. [1:45:00, 1:45:04]: So next we'll get into the comprehensive plan amendment. [1:45:06, 1:45:16]: So a comprehensive plan amendment provides a vision for the future of the community along with steps that are needed to make the vision a reality. [1:45:16, 1:45:19]: It is the basis for land use regulations. [1:45:20, 1:45:23]: Planning and zoning commissions, what is your [1:45:24, 1:45:36]: role here. So again, you review the case, you look at the criteria, you make a recommendation. Your again, your recommendation consists of approval, [1:45:36, 1:45:37]: denaio [1:45:37, 1:45:42]: or deferral if you need additional information from either staff or the applicant. [1:45:43, 1:45:45]: The final decision is made by city council. [1:45:47, 1:45:51]: It requires a public hearing notice and sign posted on a property. [1:45:52, 1:46:10]: Here the legal notification is 30 days prior, but no more than 40 days prior to the public hearing. Impact analysis is determined from section 9.2.9. Conditions may be attached as deemed necessary. [1:46:15, 1:46:20]: Modifications. We have both minor and major modification. [1:46:21, 1:46:27]: And to get more information about that, you can review section nine point two point four. [1:46:28, 1:46:41]: So what is a major modification? It's a requested change of the zoning conditions. It includes allowable uses, maximum density, or compatibility requirements. [1:46:42, 1:47:02]: Here, your role, your duty are still the same. You made the recommendation. The final decision comes from city council. Um the legal notice here is 30 days prior, no more than 40 days of the public hearing. Conditions may be deemed attached. [1:47:02, 1:47:05]: may be attached as deemed necessary. [1:47:06, 1:47:26]: Minor modification is more administratively. Um the minor could be more of a design of the site plan. Um for instance, you may we may condition the site plan. Well that's not a good example. Let's say the [1:47:26, 1:47:42]: Layout of the site, you may approve, right? You you may approve um a residential development and you may like the layout. But when it gets to engineering, they may have to change the layout. [1:47:43, 1:47:46]: It could be due uh to Topo, it could be [1:47:46, 1:48:06]: Um, to um they may have to move the detention pun, whatever the the the instance is, it's not always going to be the site plan or the layout in which they provide to you. So say they came back to staff, they need to make some changes, now they may need to go through a [1:48:06, 1:48:13]: minor modification and that minor modification could be tied to um [1:48:15, 1:48:22]: I don't want to say necessarily a condition, but sometimes we may say the s the layout must be [1:48:22, 1:48:31]: um condition to something similar to what you provided to staff and planning commission. So they may have to change it and they just need a modification. [1:48:32, 1:48:32]: Um [1:48:33, 1:48:44]: For instance, we have a development where they had to change the layout of the street. Um, they started off with a cul-de-sac, but they had to change it due to [1:48:44, 1:48:45]: Um the [1:48:46, 1:48:47]: One of those [1:48:47, 1:48:48]: Condition stated that [1:48:49, 1:48:52]: The townhomes cannot have individual trash cans. [1:48:52, 1:48:54]: So because of that they had to make [1:48:55, 1:49:00]: The street a uh what do you call it? Uh um uh narrow [1:49:00, 1:49:05]: Head or I can't think of the term, but um a narrow neck. [1:49:06, 1:49:15]: the the different terms of the street, but however, for lack of better word, um, they have to come to staff to do a minor modification. So [1:49:16, 1:49:23]: Hammerhead, that's what I'm looking for. So they have to change the street to a hammerhead. Um even though it's a small change. [1:49:24, 1:49:35]: We condition it, uh one of the conditions forced them to do it, so therefore they're not meeting that condition. And administratively we reviewed it and made a decision. [1:49:41, 1:49:57]: So this ends our discussion for tonight. Part two, we're going to get in more discussion of your role, um, of the comprehensive plan, the future land use map. We're going to talk more about staff's role. [1:49:57, 1:50:17]: And the staff report, you know, what do we do when it's when we're providing our analysis to you? And also we're going to get into more of a legal perspective in terms of these discussions. So we do thank you for your time. And um we will [1:50:17, 1:50:20]: let you know when the next training will be. [1:50:21, 1:50:25]: Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Jackson. Thank you very much. [1:50:28, 1:50:29]: Excellent. [1:50:31, 1:50:32]: We appreciate it. [1:50:33, 1:50:33]: Thank you [1:50:38, 1:50:40]: Are you doing project updates as well? [1:50:41, 1:50:44]: Is that been a sign to you or is it someone else? [1:50:45, 1:51:05]: Project updates, you will get more test amendments before you. We do plan to make some changes to the code. Um, so one, it will be more um understandable to those that are reading the code, and of course, we just want to implement um changes. [1:51:05, 1:51:13]: That will be um conducive of us moving forward in the future. So you will receive more test amendments in the future. [1:51:14, 1:51:15]: Thank you. [1:51:16, 1:51:20]: Do you have any other comments or any other comments from any members of staff? [1:51:26, 1:51:29]: Must be time to go home. Everybody's quiet. [1:51:32, 1:51:33]: Any comments from the board. [1:51:36, 1:51:38]: Been a great boy tonight. Thank you. [1:51:39, 1:51:40]: Thank all of you. [1:51:48, 1:51:50]: The next item is adjournment. I need a motion, please. [1:51:51, 1:51:52]: So moved here. [1:51:52, 1:51:53]: A second it, Harold. [1:51:54, 1:52:02]: Mr. Williams has motion made a motion to adjourn. Mr. Thibodeau has seconded. All in favor, let it be known by the sound of aye. Aye. Aye. [1:52:04, 1:52:06]: The meeting of the joint. Thank you. [1:52:10, 1:52:10]: Yeah. [1:52:13, 1:52:17]: Trying to stay away. I can dig it, man. [1:52:20, 1:52:20]: HAPTE! [1:52:21, 1:52:24]: Maybe we get him a service coffee. [1:52:24, 1:52:30]: We have to start having coffee at the meeting.